| 00:00.42 | grendal_prime | ok here is the problem. (this is a preboot diagnostic os that is built on debian) Several machines they all vpn in, they use a dhcp ip issued by openvpn. they only log in when there has been a problem with the appliance's os Because of this there is never usually 1-5 online at a time, they wanted a limited dhcp pool because they want the rest of the subnet for something else. |
| 00:02.01 | grendal_prime | sooo when we need to ssh into that box, say it was given 10.0.0.2 as the ip address, the previouse machine that was handed that ip may have had a differnt fingerprint (i say may have because all of these are built via a cloneing process and then relavent changes are made after the box is sent to the customer) |
| 00:02.24 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: so have ssh ignore the fingerprints for those machines |
| 00:02.35 | grendal_prime | thats what i have been trying to do |
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| 00:02.52 | grendal_prime | how do i tell the client to ignore those fingerprints. |
| 00:03.25 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: though frankly unroutable ips are cheap, so you should give it a fairly large dhcp pool. |
| 00:03.26 | grendal_prime | now thats confussing, see in this case the client is actually the vpn server. we are sshing from the vpn server into the machine in the field. |
| 00:03.42 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 00:03.56 | grendal_prime | i disabled that and it still gives the warning |
| 00:04.06 | grendal_prime | do i have to disable it per user? |
| 00:04.14 | themill | I think I'd want to know that the machine in the field was a legit machine before connecting to it and coughing up my credentials |
| 00:04.16 | grendal_prime | or can i disable it for all users? |
| 00:04.20 | trelain | gnome fullscreen games confines the mouse to only part of the screen... anyone handle this? |
| 00:04.36 | AnonymousOne | I set up dovecot, and I need to open up a port on my router. I know the port is 993, but what is the application/traffic name? |
| 00:04.40 | AnonymousOne | IMAP does not seem to do it |
| 00:04.44 | AnonymousOne | nor IMAPS |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | grep 993 /etc/services |
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| 00:05.15 | grendal_prime | it still wont log in as well untell i clear the entry or, wipe out the know_hosts file in the users .ssh folder |
| 00:05.44 | AnonymousOne | abrotman, thank you |
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| 00:09.34 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: it's per user; you can also just use UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null; to avoid the issue with those hosts |
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| 00:09.48 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: but you want to restrict it to exactly those IPs which are in that group. |
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| 00:10.45 | dondelelcaro | (of course, the right way to do this is to do dynamic dns, with a file which contains the host keys of the machines in the field and disable CheckHostIP) |
| 00:12.45 | grendal_prime | ya that sounds like alot of work for us to be able to log into a box, maybe 1 time in its life. |
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| 00:13.01 | grendal_prime | i like the /dev/null idea |
| 00:13.10 | grendal_prime | where would i set that up.. |
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| 00:14.59 | dmoerner | i have printers shared on one debian machine. on another debian machine, they show up in kde if I run kde applications as root with kdesu. if i run applications as user, no printers show up. however, i can print in openoffice as a normal user. any ideas? |
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| 00:16.56 | themill | dmoerner: have you enabled cups printing for your normal user within the KDE print system? |
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| 00:17.28 | abrotman | hugs damog |
| 00:17.38 | dmoerner | themill: you're right. the little drop down menu in the lower left was set to lpr, not cups. thanks. |
| 00:17.49 | themill | no worries |
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| 00:25.15 | BlackFog | abrotman: thx for the small hint, setterm doesnt work right now but I think Im one step forward |
| 00:25.26 | BlackFog | g2g bye @ll |
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| 00:27.47 | simonrvn | eew abrotman cooties :P |
| 00:27.58 | dustybin | the lenny stats look interesting: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:28.11 | dustybin | Total number of release-critical bugs: 1346 o_0 |
| 00:28.18 | simonrvn | you know we wuv you |
| 00:28.55 | simonrvn | yeh, and hopefully that number's dropping rapidly =) |
| 00:29.16 | dustybin | simonrvn: are there any lazy coders on the debian team? |
| 00:29.24 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 00:29.40 | simonrvn | probably like anywhere, i suppose |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | dustybin: and to which version of debian would you attribute all those bugs? |
| 00:31.19 | dustybin | testing? |
| 00:31.31 | simonrvn | it isn't just "coders" (i suppose you mean DDs..) but users too |
| 00:31.47 | dustybin | aye |
| 00:31.53 | abrotman | dustybin: yeah .. you're wrong .. no surprise |
| 00:32.11 | dustybin | abrotman: i googled: debian lenny bugs |
| 00:32.14 | dustybin | and i got that page |
| 00:32.20 | simonrvn | and? |
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| 00:32.34 | abrotman | and you didn't actually read anything on the page .. no surprise |
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| 00:33.25 | simonrvn | lenny is the next release... sid is where the testing and bug-fixing happens (lenny too, but they're assumed to be mostly fixed by the time they get into testing) |
| 00:33.49 | dustybin | ok |
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| 00:34.00 | benedikt | any photographers here? |
| 00:34.01 | wols | simonrvn: don't confuse him with facts |
| 00:34.03 | simonrvn | hence my mentioning of 'users' |
| 00:34.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:34.21 | wols | benedikt: do you have a debian related question? if so then ask it |
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| 00:35.47 | benedikt | allright.. but i have to get a naswar from a phtography soley using linux. i am looking for a alternative for adobe lightroom or a way to run it in a a good way in linux (wither as a vm, then a question of how much ram i really need, wich virtualizion software delivers best performance with it etc etc) or a linux-running alternative. i have tried lightzone and bluemarine but dont like them enough |
| 00:35.54 | benedikt | naswar = answear |
| 00:36.13 | abrotman | answer ? |
| 00:36.30 | ceil420 | i started to fix the typos, but gave up after three |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | benedikt: what is adobe lightroom? |
| 00:36.38 | Asymmetry_ | We're playing anagrams! :D |
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| 00:37.28 | benedikt | abrotman: a program developed by adobe as an entire workflow for photographers. industry standard and works very well. but as you probably know, they do not develop software for linux. |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | oh .. they do flash |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's broken |
| 00:38.03 | benedikt | yes, everything they make is broken except lightroom. |
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| 00:38.46 | abrotman | define workflow .. |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | i mean .. there are many apps that can organize a photo collection |
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| 00:39.23 | benedikt | abrotman: everything that happens after you plug in your camera until you send the photo away to print or publishing |
| 00:39.49 | benedikt | all digital processing you do as a photographer |
| 00:39.59 | Vi^3PP | my wifi detects but wont connect .. i have the most current b43-fwcutter installed |
| 00:40.06 | Vi^3PP | any ideas why its not connecting |
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| 00:40.34 | abrotman | benedikt: i know a fair amount of people use f-spot .. but i doubt it compares favorably |
| 00:40.46 | stew | why has nobody suggested the gimp yet, so we can get to the part where he tells us that the gimp is hard to use? |
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| 00:41.01 | benedikt | it doesnt. it is excellt for family photographers and such but not for a pprofessional photographer |
| 00:41.37 | benedikt | stew: gimp is a graphics editing software, and an excellent such. but it doesnt handle all the workflow, it is equivalent tp adobe photoshop but not lightroom. |
| 00:41.46 | stew | thanks |
| 00:42.12 | stew | benedikt: just realize we had to get through that part where someone suggests it and you say it isn't adequate :) |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | stew: apparently lightroom does more than just editing photos |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightroom#Features |
| 00:42.55 | benedikt | stew: :) |
| 00:42.55 | ceil420 | like..what? |
| 00:43.03 | benedikt | it is a great RAW editor |
| 00:43.13 | ceil420 | GIMP can import RAW i think |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | there are raw photo editors in linux |
| 00:43.19 | benedikt | i know |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | ceil420: can with a plugin now i think |
| 00:43.30 | ceil420 | and lol @ "non-destructive jpeg file editing" |
| 00:43.32 | benedikt | but they are ONLY a raw editor, they dont cover the whole workflow |
| 00:43.33 | ceil420 | lossy format is lossy |
| 00:43.48 | benedikt | ceil420: lol all you want. i guess you are not a photographerÃ? |
| 00:44.04 | Asymmetry_ | photographer != programmer |
| 00:44.16 | ceil420 | ^ |
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| 00:44.24 | Asymmetry_ | He's not a photographer, you're not a programmer. |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | ceil420: RAW is not lossy |
| 00:44.35 | benedikt | excatly |
| 00:44.35 | Asymmetry_ | abrotman, JPEG is. |
| 00:44.36 | ceil420 | abrotman, i know, but jpeg is |
| 00:44.42 | benedikt | even though i am a programmer. |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | ceil420: uhm .. perhaps the "non-destructive" only applies to RAW in that bullet ? |
| 00:45.32 | ceil420 | t's possible |
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| 00:45.56 | benedikt | abrotman: lr has non destructive editiong for all types of photos |
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| 00:46.35 | Tramp | what is "destructive editing" - isn't that "destruction" |
| 00:46.44 | ceil420 | heh |
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| 00:47.49 | benedikt | destruive editing means that what you do gets saved over the original file. non destructive editong reads what you have done from a XML file and then parses it on the photograph, while the original file is intact. if you like- you can export photo when you are ready as a edited file. |
| 00:48.35 | simonrvn | yay, more xml |
| 00:48.36 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:48.47 | Tramp | ah - ok. that's what I know as editing "in place" |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: dots :( |
| 00:48.59 | ceil420 | obmenu saved me from some xml recently >_> |
| 00:49.20 | simonrvn | abrotman: dashes :) |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | .. |
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| 00:50.11 | ceil420 | 111000111 111000111 |
| 00:50.22 | simonrvn | (that's all the morse i know ;p) |
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| 00:52.26 | streuner_ | there is a morse script for irssi, IIRC :-P |
| 00:55.23 | jetscreamer | i can't believe iceweasel is ff3 now :/ |
| 00:55.25 | jetscreamer | blegh |
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| 00:55.38 | streuner_ | heh |
| 00:56.03 | jetscreamer | time to find a new browser |
| 00:56.04 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 00:56.06 | streuner_ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 00:56.08 | judd | streuner_: iceweasel: 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1 (lenny-security) 2.0.0.15-0etch1 (etch) 2.0.0.16-0etch1 (etch-security) 3.0.1-1 (lenny) 3.0.1-1 (sid) |
| 00:56.16 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 00:56.17 | Nibbler | ah, the routing instead of bridging way works pretty fine :) |
| 00:57.04 | jetscreamer | or i can do what i did in windows :/ |
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| 00:57.32 | streuner_ | !blairsmite jetscreamer |
| 00:57.32 | dpkg | spins jetscreamer at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 00:57.33 | enouf | judd: yo yo ma! wtf? |
| 00:57.34 | judd | enouf: Error: "yo" is not a valid command. |
| 00:57.36 | jetscreamer | downgrade |
| 00:57.39 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 00:58.02 | streuner_ | judd, what are you? |
| 00:58.02 | judd | streuner_: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 00:58.07 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:58.22 | jetscreamer | judd version |
| 00:58.27 | judd | jetscreamer: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.3. |
| 00:58.36 | dryrot | im running lenny, i have a thinkpad x60, driver is intel 3945, wireless worked in etch, in lenny i get this in /var/log/messages , what am i doing wrong?: [ 691.620249] iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
| 00:58.40 | jetscreamer | judd capabilities |
| 00:58.40 | judd | jetscreamer: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 00:58.52 | amphi | bah |
| 00:59.12 | Nibbler | dryrot: did you change the killswitch (hardare)? |
| 00:59.18 | Nibbler | +w |
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| 00:59.38 | dryrot | Nibbler: no. i am guessing it means is the little wireless switch is on. it's on! this worked in Etch. |
| 00:59.42 | jetscreamer | i think it says 'you turned the button off' |
| 00:59.57 | Nibbler | dryrot: try switching it off :) |
| 01:00.00 | jetscreamer | diabled, off |
| 01:00.12 | jetscreamer | s |
| 01:00.15 | dryrot | Nibbler: i tried. i tried with it on. i tried with it switched off. same result |
| 01:00.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:00.23 | pauljr | I'm getting a configure error, "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt" and I've already installed several qt packages, as well as compiling qt-x11-free and even export QTLIB |
| 01:00.27 | enouf | dryrot: but does it work? :-) |
| 01:00.29 | Nibbler | ah oki... ummm so.... no ida then, sorry ;-) |
| 01:00.32 | dryrot | enouf: no. |
| 01:00.36 | enouf | ok |
| 01:00.50 | dryrot | enouf / Nibbler / jetscreamer : worked in etch. tried lenny, does not work. |
| 01:00.56 | enouf | have you tried reinstalling the driver? |
| 01:01.04 | jetscreamer | pauljr: try apt-cache search qu | grep -dev |
| 01:01.08 | jetscreamer | err qt |
| 01:01.17 | enouf | dryrot: you did a dist-upgrade to lenny from etch? |
| 01:01.20 | jetscreamer | or a better searchterm |
| 01:01.41 | enouf | !iwl3945 |
| 01:01.41 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 01:02.36 | dryrot | i installed the driver with 'apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi' and putting the name of the module in /etc/modules . i installed lenny with a cdimage of the latest netinstall, so no i did not upgrade from etch. |
| 01:02.48 | jetscreamer | budpimp: http://www.thebuzz.com/cc-common/artist_submission/player.html?art=200912 |
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| 01:03.30 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
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| 01:04.12 | drwahl | when i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1(or F2-F6), I have no video. there is no text on the screen. but i have video when i have X running (Alt+F7). any ideas what may be causing this? |
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| 01:04.42 | amphi | blob driver? |
| 01:06.18 | jetscreamer | drwahl: try setting vga=normal in grub's menu.lst , 'maybe' |
| 01:06.25 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.30 | jetscreamer | been a while |
| 01:06.32 | drwahl | hmm... i'll give that a shot |
| 01:06.36 | jetscreamer | iirc that was a workaround |
| 01:07.04 | dryrot | so should i give up and go back to etch |
| 01:07.23 | jetscreamer | dryrot: if that's what you like |
| 01:07.33 | Sling | hm, what is recommended: cifs or smbfs |
| 01:07.43 | jetscreamer | but apparently, it will work when properly coerced |
| 01:07.48 | jetscreamer | cifs |
| 01:08.04 | jetscreamer | smb is beingt deprecated i believe |
| 01:08.16 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 01:08.20 | Sling | yea thats what i thought as well, but when googling on both it looks the other way around |
| 01:08.20 | dryrot | jetscreamer: i dont want to! my wireless worked in etch. i have asked the gods of #ipw2100 and given them my dmesg and lspci output. no help. |
| 01:08.32 | Sling | but i thought cifs was the newer version of the unmaintained smbfs |
| 01:08.38 | dryrot | cifs is the new way. smb is going away. |
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| 01:09.18 | Sling | then id like to know how i can make the mount writeable, ie. i have a mount from debian to a vista share, but i get permission denied on anything i write |
| 01:09.20 | jetscreamer | i saw a guy trying to get somelthing to work in smbfs that did in cifs, and one of his pastes had the smbfs deprecated error msg or so |
| 01:09.32 | Sling | -rwxrwSrwt are the permissions of all the files in the mount |
| 01:09.44 | jetscreamer | what's t |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | !tell jetscreamer about permissions |
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| 01:10.14 | jetscreamer | i know about them, usually |
| 01:10.43 | Sling | its sticky |
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| 01:11.05 | drwahl | hmm... setting vga=normal in grub did not fix it :( any other ideas? |
| 01:11.05 | Sling | and S means SGID is set but not group execute |
| 01:11.07 | jetscreamer | but did you check the write permissions on the share in the vista box? |
| 01:11.18 | Sling | yea i have it writeable for 'Everybody' |
| 01:11.34 | Sling | and the account i use to connect to the cifs share can write |
| 01:12.14 | jetscreamer | i'd be looking at vista, but i've never installed vista.. wellnot the gold that ms gave me, i did the beta for a week |
| 01:12.53 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 01:12.56 | jetscreamer | goes away |
| 01:13.18 | dudeman | jetscreamer, yo |
| 01:13.43 | jetscreamer | hey dude, you don't mind if i call you dude do you... :) |
| 01:13.51 | Sling | it seems like such a common issue |
| 01:13.53 | jetscreamer | (hey dude don't call me dude) |
| 01:13.54 | Sling | but nobody knows :) |
| 01:13.59 | Sling | what does mine say? |
| 01:14.09 | Sling | sweet! |
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| 01:17.26 | jetscreamer | dude as in dudeman |
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| 01:18.17 | Sling | i know :) |
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| 01:19.06 | DaRtH_VaDeR | is there any option to install debian with the development packages included ??? |
| 01:19.12 | DaRtH_VaDeR | sorry, hi :) |
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| 01:20.04 | Sling | DaRtH_VaDeR : during installation you can select the development packages, just like you can select desktop or base system |
| 01:20.08 | jetscreamer | i think there's the equiv of an answer file for the installer |
| 01:20.11 | Sling | if i recall correctly |
| 01:20.26 | jetscreamer | DaRtH_VaDeR: how many machines are you trying to target |
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| 01:20.39 | DaRtH_VaDeR | jetscreamer, 25 :) |
| 01:21.17 | DaRtH_VaDeR | is for my university, we are trying to use mpich2 for debian, but not everybody knows how to install gcc, etc on debian :P |
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| 01:22.54 | cloudy_nz | gave up trying to install lenny packages ages ago |
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| 01:23.12 | jetscreamer | DaRtH_VaDeR: somewhere around http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en i think |
| 01:23.17 | dustybin | mmm df is so much nicer to look at than mount |
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| 01:23.50 | DaRtH_VaDeR | jetscreamer, thx a lot! :) |
| 01:23.59 | jetscreamer | and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-pkgsel |
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| 01:24.59 | jetscreamer | damn my xchat keeps crashing |
| 01:27.33 | jonhnash | i want know when gnome 2.24 will be in debian? |
| 01:27.46 | wols | and I want a pony |
| 01:28.44 | jonhnash | lol sure that you want a pony? |
| 01:29.07 | wols | yes. and me getting one is as likely as you getting an answer |
| 01:29.42 | jonhnash | i can't find when look to know when gnome 2.24 will be in debian sid |
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| 01:30.23 | abrotman | it won't be for awhile |
| 01:30.32 | jonhnash | where can i find the date ? |
| 01:30.32 | drwahl | when i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1(or F2-F6), I have no video. there is no text on the screen. but i have video when i have X running (Alt+F7). any ideas what may be causing this? jetscreamer suggested vga=normal, but that didnt seem to fix it |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | jonhnash: ask after lenny releases |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | or package it yourself |
| 01:31.05 | wols | drwahl: what video driver in X? |
| 01:31.09 | jonhnash | i try compiler gnome but is big |
| 01:31.10 | craigevil | jonhnash: You probably won't see it for a while. Sid slows to a crawl during the package freeze, so expect it about a month after Lenny goes stable. |
| 01:31.11 | drwahl | nvidia |
| 01:31.16 | drwahl | from nvidias website |
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| 01:31.18 | abrotman | jonhnash: well .. then use the one you have |
| 01:31.23 | wols | then I guess as them |
| 01:31.54 | wols | *ask |
| 01:32.00 | jonhnash | ok i go to compile gnome |
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| 01:32.54 | drwahl | wols: i have asked there as well, but still waiting for a response |
| 01:33.14 | jetscreamer | that has nothing to do with the console |
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| 01:34.47 | drwahl | the interesting thing is that it looks like the monitor (the laptop screen) shuts off completely. the backlight turns off when i try to go to console |
| 01:34.48 | jetscreamer | drwahl: what happens if you do /etc/init.d/gdm stop ... can you see text then? or what if you disable gdm on startup? and/or, when you boot, do you see text? and you restarted the computer after you did the vga=normal in manu.lst eh? |
| 01:35.09 | jetscreamer | menu.lst |
| 01:35.57 | drwahl | jetscreamer: well, using kdm, but when i kill kdm, its completely black as well, and yes, i rebooted after editting menu.lst |
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| 01:36.31 | trelain | gnome fullscreen games confines the mouse to only part of the screen... anyone handle this? |
| 01:36.35 | amphi | drwahl: what video driver is this (X) ? |
| 01:36.48 | drwahl | amphi: nvidia from their website |
| 01:36.51 | jetscreamer | and when it was booting, was the screen black? is silent enabled in our menu.lst or that other file of grub's? |
| 01:37.03 | amphi | ah; I've seen other people with this problem |
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| 01:37.24 | amphi | I don't know the solution, but google might; it's not uncommon, it seems |
| 01:37.34 | drwahl | i can see text (startup info) as its booting, but once it loads kdm (or roughly that time) i lose all console video |
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| 01:37.44 | jetscreamer | i had it, but vga=normal fixed it for me (iirc) |
| 01:37.55 | jetscreamer | pango is a gtk thing, right? |
| 01:38.06 | amphi | right |
| 01:38.22 | drwahl | amphi: any ideas on what to google? i have tried "linux console no video", and variations of that, and i can't find a thing about it |
| 01:38.24 | jetscreamer | ok so i fixed my little 'problem' :) |
| 01:38.44 | Si1ver1ock | i'm using debian with out X do I have any fonts? i need either truetype or freetype for php with GD, not sure which. |
| 01:38.48 | jetscreamer | could that be the zap vt command? |
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| 01:38.51 | amphi | drwahl: nvidia would be worth mentioning IMHO ;) |
| 01:39.01 | jetscreamer | directive rather |
| 01:39.10 | jetscreamer | the one that disables consoles |
| 01:39.12 | drwahl | amphi: i have asked there as well, but they aren't responding as of yet |
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| 01:41.17 | jetscreamer | there are some options for console fonts, but i don't think that's what you want |
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| 01:43.48 | Si1ver1ock | how can i install some freetype fonts? |
| 01:44.06 | simonrvn | apt-cache search ttf freetype font |
| 01:44.13 | jetscreamer | not to impunge your ability, drwahl, but are you sure you edited menu.lst in the right place, and/or run update-grub if you only edited the defoptions? |
| 01:44.45 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: apparently he needs it for lamp but he doesn't have X installed |
| 01:44.53 | amphi | 'impunge'? heh |
| 01:45.47 | jetscreamer | ok maybe impinge |
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| 01:46.28 | jetscreamer | i coulda swore they used to say impunge in the old days |
| 01:46.31 | simonrvn | so? don't need x to install fonts |
| 01:46.34 | jetscreamer | very old |
| 01:46.46 | jetscreamer | has no idea about lamps |
| 01:46.50 | jetscreamer | i rent mine |
| 01:46.54 | amphi | jetscreamer: 'impugn' |
| 01:47.01 | simonrvn | lamps are for illuminations |
| 01:47.13 | jetscreamer | is dim |
| 01:47.21 | simonrvn | s/tions/tion/ |
| 01:47.37 | jetscreamer | dim jet (100,100) |
| 01:47.45 | jetscreamer | and 2d |
| 01:47.54 | simonrvn | give jet a lamp "there, now you won't stub your toe wandering around your house at 3am" |
| 01:48.21 | simonrvn | wonders what's wrong with his s'es |
| 01:48.41 | jetscreamer | i did finally get my power on friday |
| 01:48.48 | jetscreamer | 2 weeks w/o |
| 01:48.51 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 01:48.54 | jetscreamer | it wasn't so bad |
| 01:49.02 | simonrvn | wow |
| 01:49.04 | jetscreamer | i camp in comfort anyway |
| 01:49.31 | jetscreamer | generator, coleman lamps, stoves.. :) |
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| 01:50.01 | jetscreamer | at&t line was down one day |
| 01:50.01 | simonrvn | we were looking at a map the other day, and ike seems o have headed straight for um, houston, was it? |
| 01:50.09 | jetscreamer | is in houston |
| 01:50.15 | simonrvn | yeh houston |
| 01:50.33 | jetscreamer | there's still places w/o power |
| 01:50.33 | simonrvn | well, you got to go camping in your house :P |
| 01:50.37 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:50.46 | jetscreamer | had fans & stuff, just no a/c |
| 01:50.51 | simonrvn | you're ok otherwise? |
| 01:50.56 | jetscreamer | i didn't try hooking up my window units |
| 01:51.24 | jetscreamer | i have some in the garage.. yeah, just lots of treelimbs and the fence is down |
| 01:51.41 | jetscreamer | so gotta watch the dogs :/ |
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| 01:52.18 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 01:53.03 | rkvirani | hey all |
| 01:53.05 | jetscreamer | i want a bigger generator... aka 'more power' |
| 01:53.10 | rkvirani | I really like the new installer |
| 01:53.11 | Orbixx | Does anyone know why rsync might be excluding my /home directory and everything beneath from transfer, when there is nothing explicit stated to prevent it from doing so? |
| 01:53.13 | rkvirani | its actually usable! |
| 01:53.14 | simonrvn | glad to hear you're ok |
| 01:53.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 01:53.35 | simonrvn | Orbixx: using final slashes? |
| 01:53.43 | rkvirani | Orbixx: permissions? |
| 01:54.10 | Orbixx | rsyncing with root |
| 01:54.16 | simonrvn | afk for a bit |
| 01:54.32 | Orbixx | Slashes are fine (I think) |
| 01:54.46 | Orbixx | Could be down to my basic script. |
| 01:54.50 | rkvirani | Orbixx: what simonrvn was asking is are you using trailing slashes? |
| 01:54.54 | Orbixx | In fact, I'll pastebin it. |
| 01:55.02 | drwahl | jetscreamer: about the editting menu.lst; i'm pretty sure i did it correctly (i've done this quite a bit), but just to be sure: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/drwahllappy64-root ro quiet vga=normal |
| 01:55.15 | Orbixx | rkvirani: Yes. |
| 01:56.31 | rkvirani | hrm.. ok |
| 01:56.34 | jetscreamer | i don't have any idea what you're doing with that root= line,k beyond me... virtual? |
| 01:56.40 | rkvirani | I think I might put debian on my hp mininote |
| 01:56.54 | rkvirani | though, power managment might be an issue |
| 01:57.02 | drwahl | jetscreamer: its how LVM works |
| 01:57.02 | rkvirani | I hope debian supports suspend/resume |
| 01:57.07 | rkvirani | and hibernate |
| 01:57.18 | Orbixx | http://pastebin.com/d34f5a462 |
| 01:57.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 01:57.57 | jetscreamer | lose the quiet, drwahl |
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| 01:58.06 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 01:58.17 | jetscreamer | are you using a spalsh? |
| 01:58.21 | jetscreamer | splash |
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| 01:58.30 | rkvirani | is home listed in rsync.excl |
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| 01:58.34 | drwahl | like grub splash? |
| 01:58.42 | jetscreamer | yes a boot splash |
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| 01:58.49 | drwahl | no, no bootloader splash |
| 01:58.52 | jetscreamer | quiet might be doing that |
| 01:59.02 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.06 | drwahl | really... hmm... well, lets see if it fixed it :) |
| 01:59.08 | rkvirani | and what is the directory you are running this command, also does the user you are running the command as have permissions to read/write to /home? |
| 01:59.22 | jetscreamer | it's root, rkvirani |
| 01:59.30 | jetscreamer | or so he said |
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| 01:59.47 | rkvirani | What will "Desktop System" install on Debian |
| 01:59.52 | jetscreamer | i said silent earlier, oopt |
| 01:59.55 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 01:59.57 | rkvirani | KDE/Gnome/XFCE etc... |
| 02:00.16 | Orbixx | rkvirani: It doesn't matter what directory, as all paths are full paths, and I am executing it as root. |
| 02:00.29 | rkvirani | Orbixx: oooh wierd |
| 02:00.33 | rkvirani | and its not syncing /home |
| 02:00.34 | Orbixx | Precisely. |
| 02:00.39 | jetscreamer | rkvirani: yes to kde&gnome.. but not the fullblown packages |
| 02:00.49 | rkvirani | eeeww! |
| 02:00.51 | rkvirani | KDE |
| 02:00.54 | rkvirani | eewww!!! |
| 02:00.58 | jetscreamer | rkvirani: i find it best for me to take all those check boxes off in that tasksel menu |
| 02:01.09 | jetscreamer | and install what i want after the installer is finished |
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| 02:01.38 | jetscreamer | eww bloat |
| 02:01.50 | rkvirani | jetscreamer: sorry leave them clear |
| 02:01.51 | rkvirani | hrm.. ok |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | there's a way to see what the tasksel packages each install |
| 02:02.06 | rkvirani | hey does debian have 'build-essential' like ubuntu does |
| 02:02.06 | jetscreamer | !tasksel |
| 02:02.06 | dpkg | i heard tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>. |
| 02:02.13 | rkvirani | its a meta package for deleting all the stuff |
| 02:02.27 | jetscreamer | that looks old |
| 02:02.33 | jetscreamer | it said dselect |
| 02:02.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:02.44 | stew | rkvirani: yes, debian has build-essental (/msg dpkg search) |
| 02:02.45 | rkvirani | dselect is old |
| 02:02.52 | jetscreamer | dselect rocks |
| 02:02.53 | rkvirani | stew: cool thanks man |
| 02:03.05 | jetscreamer | nobody likes it but me and one other guy, afaik |
| 02:03.15 | rkvirani | well I should let this net install run for a bit, thanks for the tips |
| 02:03.19 | jetscreamer | but it's better |
| 02:03.23 | rkvirani | btw with is sidux? |
| 02:03.32 | rkvirani | I heard it works out of the box with the HP mini=note |
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| 02:03.40 | mewshi | hello! |
| 02:03.44 | mewshi | I have a question regarding NFS |
| 02:04.05 | mewshi | whenever I try to mount an NFS share hosted on a debian server, I get this error message |
| 02:04.07 | mewshi | mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
| 02:04.07 | mewshi | mount.nfs: internal error |
| 02:04.07 | drwahl | jetscreamer: arg, still no luck. i see the startup info run across the screen. after the last of the info is spewed on the screen from the startup, the screen goes black for about .5 sec, then i see the nVidia driver splash screen for about 2 sec, then the kdm login screen |
| 02:04.12 | craigevil | rkvirani: sidux is a debian distro that uses Sid for its base |
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| 02:05.02 | jetscreamer | drwahl: disable kdm and your console will stay. if x doesn't start. (or so i bet). that makes it a xorg issue... but nvidia works fine here, all i know |
| 02:05.14 | jetscreamer | and i'm a big nvidia-installer fan |
| 02:05.25 | jetscreamer | cringes from the wrath of abrotman |
| 02:05.26 | drwahl | heh, agreed |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | too tired to care! |
| 02:06.12 | drwahl | well, in that case, maybe i should ask. are there any known issues with amd64 lenny netinstall? |
| 02:06.15 | drwahl | for xorg |
| 02:06.22 | mewshi | can someone help me out? |
| 02:06.25 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 02:06.39 | jetscreamer | now i don't know about the 64bit |
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| 02:08.20 | jetscreamer | and no if you got it installed & booted, it's not the lenny it'sself |
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| 02:15.27 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 02:16.55 | Si1ver1ock | i think someone is messing with my debian postfix, should i uninstall it or reconfigure it to do only local mail. will uninstalling postfix break my system? |
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| 02:17.42 | abrotman | unisntalling will do bad things .. |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | just set it for local mail only if that's all you need .. or smarthost only |
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| 02:18.09 | Si1ver1ock | abrotman: yeah, no local mail for programs that need it |
| 02:18.23 | Si1ver1ock | smarthost? |
| 02:18.54 | Si1ver1ock | something like dpkg-reconfigure postfix? |
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| 02:20.53 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 02:20.53 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
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| 02:32.05 | Si1ver1ock | if I take some of the ip numbers my logs of people trying to hack, track these people down and kick their asses, would it be worng? |
| 02:32.36 | wols_ | Si1ver1ock: you can't |
| 02:32.59 | prolix | it is possible |
| 02:33.04 | Si1ver1ock | wols_: can't what? |
| 02:33.13 | wols_ | track them down |
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| 02:34.49 | Si1ver1ock | I wish there was an fbi site you could redirect hackers to, when their ip shows up a few zillion times they send out some agents to investigate. |
| 02:35.16 | prolix | Si1ver1ock: please stop misusing the term hacker, call them crackers, that's what they are |
| 02:35.24 | liable | i'm going to ban hinets entire ip block soon |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | and take the entire conversation somewhere appropriate |
| 02:35.56 | dondelelcaro | Si1ver1ock: just use fail2ban; you'll be happier for it |
| 02:36.29 | Si1ver1ock | liable: that's what i'm talking about have one of the big backplanes filter them |
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| 02:36.52 | Si1ver1ock | dondelelcaro: that is the log im looking at :) |
| 02:37.03 | ameyer | prolix: that's racist |
| 02:37.08 | prolix | heil! |
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| 02:37.23 | dondelelcaro | Si1ver1ock: so what's the problem, then? You've blocked them, and that should be good enough. |
| 02:37.58 | Si1ver1ock | dondelelcaro: now they are messing with postfix |
| 02:38.12 | ameyer | prolix: For the record, I was kidding, sort of. If someone walked up to me and called me a cracker, I'd probably laugh. |
| 02:39.01 | liable | they dont try and login fast enough with my mail for fail2ban to actually block them. just a few probes a day |
| 02:39.15 | ameyer | not as funny as honkey, though |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: are you actually using postfix to receive mail ? |
| 02:39.48 | prolix | ameyer: there are so many funnier things to call someone than racial slurs. |
| 02:40.05 | ameyer | prolix: indeed |
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| 02:40.26 | Si1ver1ock | seriously, if some box is try to crack a few thousand computers shouldn't someone pull its plug? |
| 02:40.43 | Si1ver1ock | abrotman: no, just send mail and get local mail |
| 02:40.45 | zinx | Si1ver1ock: someone should, but the reality is people often do not care |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: so just make it not listen on the external interface |
| 02:41.28 | Si1ver1ock | zinx: that's how 911 happened, lazy 'tards |
| 02:41.41 | prolix | ameyer: you piss sipper :D |
| 02:42.09 | prolix | i'm done. pardon |
| 02:42.13 | JyZyXEL | i have to write about how linus torvalds has affected the world |
| 02:42.18 | JyZyXEL | i can't think of anything |
| 02:43.15 | Si1ver1ock | i think it need looking at, auto law enforcment, i'll get a grant from Dept. Home Land Security maybe |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | maybe you should control your box |
| 02:44.23 | shivraj | JyZyXEL: are you in HS ? or College ? |
| 02:44.43 | JyZyXEL | HS |
| 02:44.44 | Si1ver1ock | abrotman: can you ever be completely sure? |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | turn it off |
| 02:45.29 | amphi | JyZyXEL: he wrote git! |
| 02:45.32 | Si1ver1ock | or get a badge and kick some ass,,, |
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| 02:45.59 | JyZyXEL | i wrote hello world |
| 02:46.17 | Si1ver1ock | go DukeNukem on their cracker 'nads |
| 02:46.24 | prolix | yay |
| 02:46.30 | shivraj | well Linus has definitely affected the world, ... a big percentage of servers use linux, think about all of those websites, and ecommerce and all of that ... |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: stop .. it's getting old |
| 02:46.38 | Si1ver1ock | is done venting |
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| 02:47.10 | Seb | is there an easy to tell if a box is running lenny and not sid ? |
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| 02:48.09 | shivraj | I saw a talk about Linus, he is a great great programmer, he used to program in assembly in the 1990s .... and wrote meaningful code .. |
| 02:48.20 | Si1ver1ock | on a slightly different subject, how much responsible am i if some uses my box for nefarious purposes? |
| 02:48.23 | abrotman | Seb: look at your sources |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | !tell Si1ver1ock about ot |
| 02:48.47 | JyZyXEL | but the guy hasn't really affected the world in any way |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: shivraj #debian-offtopic please |
| 02:48.59 | JyZyXEL | not more than a regular guy |
| 02:49.07 | shivraj | Silver: certainly there's atleast a few people in prison who are wrongly convicted |
| 02:49.23 | Seb | abrotman: without doing that of course |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | Seb: package versions are another way |
| 02:49.51 | Seb | abrotman: yeah, but sid vs. lenny is a tough one these days |
| 02:49.55 | shivraj | JyZyXEL: this is not the right place |
| 02:49.58 | shivraj | see wikipedia |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | Seb: apt-cache policy foopkg |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | which is going to show the source |
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| 02:50.40 | abrotman | Seb: lsb_release -a .. currently returns lenny in lenny .. but not sure about sid |
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| 02:50.51 | Si1ver1ock | seb dmesg | less |
| 02:50.54 | smultron | is there something special you have to do to a USB flash drive to get it to boot? or can you just do a cp -r * of an ISO to a flash drive? |
| 02:51.16 | Seb | abrotman: the policy thing (which i didn't know about) sounds like a good plan |
| 02:51.26 | Seb | abrotman: lsb_release otoh things my sid box is an etch one :) |
| 02:51.30 | Seb | s/things/thinks/ |
| 02:51.36 | stew | abrotman: Release: unstable Codename: sid ; no idea how they are accomplising that |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | Seb: sounds like your system is out of date compared to stew's |
| 02:52.15 | shiloh7_ | is lenny stable? |
| 02:52.18 | Seb | abrotman: i haven't dist-upgraded i na while indeed |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | no |
| 02:52.33 | Seb | abrotman: that policy trick is pretty neat though, thanks a lot for pointing me in that direction |
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| 02:54.23 | shiloh7_ | im thinking i should maybe try a more user friendly version, this requires allot more knowledge of linux |
| 02:54.39 | shiloh7_ | any suggestions? |
| 02:54.51 | Seb | abrotman: even after getting the latest lsb-release, it still says etch. Most interesting. |
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| 02:55.07 | smultron | anyone? :( |
| 02:55.15 | Seb | lsb-base is probably the one I need in that case |
| 02:55.22 | Seb | smultron: no you can't |
| 02:55.33 | Seb | smultron: you need to run syslinux on it, among other things |
| 02:56.07 | smultron | Seb: ok. thanks |
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| 02:57.29 | Seb | smultron: try that -> http://www.oiepoie.nl/2008/03/09/backtrack-3-on-a-usb-stick-ultimate-hacker-tool-on-your-keychain/ |
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| 02:57.37 | Seb | smultron: that's got pretty much all you need |
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| 02:58.07 | smultron | thanks Seb, i'll give it a look |
| 02:58.18 | Seb | smultron: np |
| 03:00.21 | jdrake | Is there a way to recompile iceweasel using different optimizations? |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | is there a --suck-less? :) |
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| 03:02.35 | wols_ | jdrake: sure. |
| 03:02.39 | wols_ | jdrake: but why? |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | !tell jdrake about source |
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| 03:02.55 | DaRtH_VaDeR | how can i install build-essential and gcc, automake etc from default on debian ? i mean when i am installing the entire sistem :D |
| 03:03.24 | dudeman | DaRtH_VaDeR, something with preseeding perhaps |
| 03:03.27 | wols_ | there is a task "development system" |
| 03:03.31 | dudeman | oh there is |
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| 03:03.45 | liable | DaRtH_VaDeR: in vt2 of the install run apt-install build-essential |
| 03:03.46 | jdrake | wols_, I have an issue in iceweasel that seems to have some performance impact. I would just like to see if a slightly different build would be any different |
| 03:04.06 | dudeman | wols_, not on lenny there isn't |
| 03:04.58 | dudeman | wols_, at leat tasksel --list-tasks doesn't list anything about a dev. system |
| 03:05.00 | DaRtH_VaDeR | mmmm wols_ something like tasks="kde-desktop" but with development systems ? |
| 03:05.28 | dudeman | DaRtH_VaDeR, that depends on whether there is a task or not |
| 03:05.48 | dudeman | DaRtH_VaDeR, and there isn't on etch or lenny or sid |
| 03:05.51 | DaRtH_VaDeR | and how can i know which are the tasks ? |
| 03:05.55 | dudeman | I'm not sure where got his info from. |
| 03:05.57 | DaRtH_VaDeR | damn... |
| 03:06.03 | dudeman | (I just tested on all 3 debians) |
| 03:06.05 | DaRtH_VaDeR | thx dudeman :D |
| 03:06.23 | dudeman | DaRtH_VaDeR, man tasksel |
| 03:06.52 | jdrake | Will it likely be a while before any gnome 2.24 packages are available? |
| 03:06.54 | DaRtH_VaDeR | No manual entry for tasksel |
| 03:06.56 | DaRtH_VaDeR | ;:s |
| 03:07.03 | dudeman | !install it |
| 03:07.04 | wols_ | dudeman: etch definitely has one. the one you see after installation doesn't have to be on the install cd and vice versa |
| 03:07.06 | liable | if your going to use a preseed, just use the late_command to intall what you want |
| 03:07.15 | stew | jdrake: it will likely start to enter unstable soon after lenny releases |
| 03:07.17 | wols_ | dudeman: I KNOW there is one on etch |
| 03:07.21 | liable | no need to use tasksel |
| 03:07.29 | dudeman | wols_, hmm... I'm not seeing it here |
| 03:07.35 | dudeman | wols_, how did you list it? |
| 03:07.52 | jdrake | stew, lenny seemed to have a lot of issues left before closing didn't it? |
| 03:07.52 | wols_ | cd != installed system |
| 03:08.14 | dudeman | wols_, its a task on the installation cd, I see |
| 03:08.33 | wols_ | and that's why lenny has it too |
| 03:08.33 | dudeman | so there is a diff config for tasksel for the install cd vs postinstall? what?! |
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| 03:08.44 | stew | jdrake: about 175 or so? |
| 03:08.57 | jdrake | oh, that has been reduced in the last week a bit |
| 03:09.02 | trelain | gnome fullscreen games confines the mouse to only part of the screen... anyone handle this? |
| 03:09.07 | dudeman | so if you do a netinst you don't get that task? |
| 03:09.17 | dudeman | thats kinda ridiculous |
| 03:09.22 | wols_ | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ says 278 |
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| 03:10.25 | DaRtH_VaDeR | damn, so there is the damn tasks! |
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| 03:10.31 | DaRtH_VaDeR | how is exactly the tasks ? |
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| 03:11.15 | stew | wols_: yeah, if you ignore the ones which can be fixed by a hint or those that have a patch, the number goes down by quite a bit, but yeah 278 is accurate |
| 03:11.47 | wols_ | stew: sure but those 100 fixable ones have to be done too. that's a lot of work for you DDs |
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| 03:12.51 | stew | wols_: yeah, i'm planning a marathon on saturday |
| 03:13.13 | Octalot | Does that 278 include stuff that's already fixed in unstable, and waiting to go in to testing? |
| 03:13.29 | stew | Octalot: yes |
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| 03:13.45 | stew | hmm, i thnk |
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| 03:14.59 | jdrake | Now iceweasel seems to be at 3.0.1, but there is a firefox 3.0.2 from my recollection, is there any way of applying a patch to the source to upgrade that? |
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| 03:17.52 | Rafaa | amd athlon xp = [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 03:17.53 | Rafaa | ? |
| 03:18.07 | wols_ | i386 |
| 03:18.14 | Rafaa | tks |
| 03:18.21 | wols_ | and a -686 kernel then later |
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| 03:20.00 | PaulTT | hi all.. what file do I need to modify to rename a machine? |
| 03:20.45 | PaulTT | never mind.. i found /etc/hostname |
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| 03:20.57 | kgoetz | and /etc/hosts to match |
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| 03:21.26 | jdrake | PaulTT, you can change it in the current running system with running hostname as well |
| 03:22.13 | PaulTT | jdrake: thanks! |
| 03:22.32 | jdrake | PaulTT, np. You learn about these things when you admin a non-rebooting server :p |
| 03:23.35 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 03:31.23 | DaRtH_VaDeR | wols_, sorry, i have tried with tasks="development system" but says that cannot find kernel image |
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| 03:39.49 | wols_ | DaRtH_VaDeR: a kernel image doesn't have anything to do with tasksel |
| 03:40.11 | DaRtH_VaDeR | wols_, that is what shows |
| 03:40.30 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i mean in the prompt shows : boot: |
| 03:41.07 | DaRtH_VaDeR | so, i write tasks="developtment system" and says next the kernel stuff... |
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| 03:42.22 | wols_ | DaRtH_VaDeR: are you serious?# |
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| 03:42.27 | wols_ | !tell DaRtH_VaDeR about ig |
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| 03:43.48 | DaRtH_VaDeR | the option was install tasks=developtment system... |
| 03:43.55 | DaRtH_VaDeR | development* |
| 03:43.57 | wols_ | no it wasn't |
| 03:44.08 | wols_ | read the ig link and learn |
| 03:44.12 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i dont know but i put that and is installing :P |
| 03:44.39 | wols_ | do you even know what tasksel is? |
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| 03:46.40 | rkvirani | is in his debian install on vmware2 |
| 03:46.50 | rkvirani | vmware2 is nice man |
| 03:46.53 | rkvirani | whoeee |
| 03:47.11 | rkvirani | I hope that I can get debian to work well on my mini-note |
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| 03:50.12 | DaRtH_VaDeR | wols_, i have no idea about nothing ^^ |
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| 03:52.00 | wols_ | DaRtH_VaDeR: it shows |
| 03:52.52 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i cant find that... |
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| 03:53.41 | wols_ | you can't find what? your cluelessness? |
| 03:54.06 | DaRtH_VaDeR | o god sorry your magnificent ^^ |
| 03:54.15 | DaRtH_VaDeR | you was born "learned" |
| 03:54.23 | DaRtH_VaDeR | sorry for my english |
| 03:54.25 | DaRtH_VaDeR | bye |
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| 03:56.33 | rkvirani | How do I upgrade to debian 5 |
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| 03:57.24 | wols_ | you mean switch to lenny? |
| 03:57.32 | wols_ | !tell rkvirani about etch->lenny |
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| 04:01.03 | rkvirani | thanks wols |
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| 04:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | does sourceforge cvs work for any of you? |
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| 04:08.30 | Crazz | sweet well i made some progress i am able to load yaboot and start the install just run into one problem |
| 04:09.05 | Crazz | RAMDISK: Compressed image found at Block 0 |
| 04:09.25 | Crazz | RAMDISK: Ran out of compressed data |
| 04:09.36 | Crazz | Invalid compressed format |
| 04:10.00 | Crazz | No filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs |
| 04:10.51 | Crazz | Kernel Panik-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-Block(1,0) |
| 04:11.21 | Crazz | I was trying to use the netboot |
| 04:12.53 | phorce1 | feels like pounding on "professional" web page creators and their proprietary software |
| 04:12.53 | Crazz | uh oh |
| 04:12.53 | Crazz | thanks got he isn't a web designer |
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| 04:15.02 | phorce1 | Making some changes and the previous owner of my business hired someone to design the web pages. They used some sort of DHTML menu builder that created a compiled (or otherwise not plain text) .js file that I can't edit without purchasing and using the original software (window$ based) |
| 04:15.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice |
| 04:15.39 | Crazz | ouch |
| 04:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 04:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | see it from their POV |
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| 04:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | it makes sure they get the follow-up contract to fix all the bugs in it |
| 04:16.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | because - yes, they're incompetent, but no, nobody else can edit the page |
| 04:17.58 | Crazz | helps make sure they get some moneyx2 |
| 04:18.03 | Crazz | :) |
| 04:18.11 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I (as an employee of the business I now own) specifically told the owner to make sure got it in writing that this was a one-time job and all pages should be changeable by us. He did, and we *CAN* change them --- if I buy a piece of windows software and run it. |
| 04:18.32 | phorce1 | I wasn't clear enough in my specifications I guess. |
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| 04:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems they got clever on you :) |
| 04:20.28 | phorce1 | I just disabled the pretty drop down menus since I can't add items. The menu headings are still click-through to html versions of what the drop down links were. It's just going to confuse a couple of customers for a day or two. |
| 04:21.21 | phorce1 | needs to find an open source DHTML menu creator to rebuild them with. |
| 04:22.22 | phorce1 | never writes .js by hand, WAY too time consuming |
| 04:22.34 | Crazz | well i guess i will just give up on trying to use the netboot will have to see about maybe hdmedia instead |
| 04:23.33 | rkvirani | Crazz: whats wrong withe the netboot |
| 04:23.42 | rkvirani | crap! |
| 04:23.50 | rkvirani | I ran out of rrom upgrading |
| 04:23.56 | rkvirani | shoot! |
| 04:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, also, perhaps look at wml for such stuff, which produces normal, boring, static html |
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| 04:24.38 | Crazz | i made some progress i am able to load yaboot and start the install just run into one problem |
| 04:24.44 | n3kl | !ping |
| 04:24.44 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:24.44 | Crazz | RAMDISK: Compressed image found at Block 0 |
| 04:24.50 | Crazz | RAMDISK: Ran out of compressed data |
| 04:24.58 | Crazz | Invalid compressed format |
| 04:25.05 | Crazz | No filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs |
| 04:25.13 | Crazz | Kernel Panik-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-Block(1,0) |
| 04:25.22 | n3kl | Hey, is there a way to have a nic auto-detect a patch or crossover? For example, take a regular patch and connect machine to machine? |
| 04:25.23 | Crazz | restarting 180sec... |
| 04:25.43 | stew | n3kl: most recent nics do this |
| 04:25.45 | Crazz | oh... 1999 PowerPC G3 processor 32mb ram 6mb vram 6gb hdd |
| 04:25.56 | n3kl | stew: no host config necessary? |
| 04:26.00 | stew | n3kl: (any gigabit nic should) |
| 04:26.01 | stew | n3kl: none |
| 04:26.12 | n3kl | stew: these are fairly old, but I will try |
| 04:26.53 | stew | n3kl: its the type of thing that will Just Work when you plug in the cable, or nothing you can do will make it work |
| 04:27.39 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: these were cool mouseover dropdowns in our top menu. Without the .js I still have mouseover lightups on the top menu items for clicking through to the static pages. Just the dynamic dropdowns are gone. |
| 04:27.41 | Crazz | tha'ts the most i can get |
| 04:28.15 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: So I have normal, boring, static html. ;-) |
| 04:28.16 | n3kl | stew: thanks |
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| 04:29.01 | Crazz | i have to boot to yaboot from OpenFirmware using BOOT /pci@80000000/mac-io@10/ide@20000/@0:5,yaboot |
| 04:29.01 | n3kl | here I go |
| 04:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, just telling you that this thing exists... |
| 04:29.10 | DUmPStErSlUt | hi |
| 04:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 04:30.37 | DUmPStErSlUt | dcc send 0123456789123456 |
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| 04:32.30 | askvictor | I've just accidentally overwritten the first 410bytes of my main/boot partition; the system is still running, though new commands won't start - what should I do? |
| 04:33.11 | Crazz | cries no one wants to help an old mac out of retirement |
| 04:33.26 | lymeca | Is there somewhere on the web which contains information about the status of packaging something like say, X.Org 7.4 BEFORE it hits unstable? |
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| 04:34.00 | lymeca | Because I know about http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ which tells why packages have not hit TESTING yet. |
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| 04:34.51 | stew | lymeca: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ maybe for X, but in general, no |
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| 04:37.27 | Crazz | please i can't stand os 8.6 i want debian and i keep getting this Kernel Panik-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-Block(1,0) |
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| 04:38.44 | deus___ | good morning everyone, and bye, have a great day :D |
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| 04:41.10 | Crazz | if i try to install using hd-media should i unpack the debian iso or leave it compressed? |
| 04:41.17 | phorce1 | Crazz: is this install from a burned CD? If yes, have you tried burning a fresh copy (preferably using a different burner) or plugging in a different CD reader on the Apple? |
| 04:41.26 | debeee | hi, anyone familar with geeklog? |
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| 04:42.52 | Crazz | i don't have a burner and i don't have another comp i can use to do with... unfortunatly so say would it be safe to use something like Toast to mount the iso can copy it to HDD? |
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| 04:46.37 | Crazz | no? |
| 04:47.25 | phorce1 | Crazz: I've never done an install that way. The .iso will probably not be bootable if copied straight to HDD |
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| 04:48.08 | phorce1 | Crazz: might want to look up the instructions for installing from bootable USB devices. May be similar enough to give you a start. |
| 04:48.15 | Crazz | i know i would have to use the yaboot to start the boot... but from there i am lostlmao |
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| 04:49.44 | Crazz | yeah this darn thing won't boot usb... |
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| 04:49.52 | Crazz | locks it up |
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| 05:00.15 | some_dude | hey |
| 05:00.33 | some_dude | !help |
| 05:00.34 | librahg | Haak! |
| 05:00.48 | some_dude | !chroot |
| 05:00.48 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 05:05.53 | some_dude | I'm trying to install chroot, but can't find the package |
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| 05:06.27 | liable | you should have it |
| 05:06.41 | liable | its in coreutils |
| 05:06.47 | some_dude | yea, but i can't find it |
| 05:07.02 | liable | /usr/sbin/chroot |
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| 05:07.39 | some_dude | always with the sbin, thanks |
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| 05:35.37 | drwahl | i could have sworn the The Mana World was packaged and hosted on ftp.us.debian.org, however, i do not see it in there anymore. is there anyway to confirm this? |
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| 05:43.30 | dudeman | drwahl, packages.debian.org |
| 05:43.50 | drwahl | ya, just found that the package is in sid, and i'm on lenny |
| 05:44.00 | drwahl | just trying to decide if i want to upgrade to sid now :/ |
| 05:44.13 | dudeman | no |
| 05:44.17 | dudeman | you can backport it yourself |
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| 05:44.26 | dudeman | that game just depends on java afaik |
| 05:44.35 | drwahl | no, its much more than just java |
| 05:44.39 | drwahl | libguichan is the big one |
| 05:45.39 | dudeman | my head hurts a lot (I headbanged today at a concert... I'm gonna go lay down) |
| 05:45.47 | dudeman | hope you find your solution... g'nite |
| 05:46.38 | drwahl | thanks dudeman |
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| 05:52.13 | drwahl | anyone able to vouche for sid? i'm wondering how stable it is for a desktop system in its current state |
| 05:54.26 | Octalot | there's just been a complaint on #debian-devel that there's too much encouragement for people to update to sid |
| 05:54.56 | Octalot | it's working for me, but then I'll report or fix stuff that breaks on me |
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| 05:57.02 | Octalot | maybe just grab the source and build it. The right libguichan is already in lenny. |
| 05:58.06 | drwahl | i'm rather tempted to upgrade to sid. its been a few months since i've dittled with sid |
| 05:58.18 | shital__ | :On one of system /etc/shadow file is like http://pastebin.com/m700da23e, does it mean that there is no password for root and user?? please can any one help me?? |
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| 05:59.30 | drwahl | shital__: correct, none of your users have passwords set |
| 05:59.31 | Supaplex | that's right shital__ it's no password. |
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| 05:59.51 | stew | shital__: yes. is there an x in the second column for the same users in /etc/passwd? |
| 06:00.00 | drwahl | shital__: if you can su to root, you can set passwords for the users you desire |
| 06:00.41 | drwahl | shital__: alternatively, if you have another /etc/shadow file you can look at, you can take the password hash from there and paste it into the system that you are on |
| 06:01.13 | shital__ | yess there is x in second column of /etc/passwd |
| 06:01.24 | stew | shital__: then there is no password set |
| 06:01.51 | shital__ | but when i boot the system its directly logging into root, but i want it to be login into user |
| 06:02.03 | shital__ | how can i do this? |
| 06:02.07 | shital__ | please |
| 06:02.27 | stew | shital__: what does "/sbin/runlevel" return after it logs you into root? |
| 06:03.38 | shital__ | stew: how can i check that? |
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| 06:03.47 | stew | shital__: type "/sbin/runlevel" |
| 06:04.54 | shital__ | stew: there is no file /sbin/runlevel |
| 06:05.23 | stew | shital__: is this debian? or some other derrived distribution? |
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| 06:05.49 | shital__ | its not exactly debian, but similar |
| 06:06.09 | stew | shital__: you should ask in a channel specific to your distribution |
| 06:06.52 | shital__ | but, my question is general which is comman for almost all distros |
| 06:07.00 | stew | shital__: then try ##linux |
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| 06:07.33 | shital__ | ok thanks |
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| 06:39.12 | strk | is a kernel with framebuffer packaged in debian ? |
| 06:39.37 | strk | or does it exist only as a module ? |
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| 06:41.13 | jdrake | How can I start iceweasel without it showing any pages previously in the session? I need a command line option or something outside of iceweasel to test with. |
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| 06:48.03 | n-iCe | has anyone used, zd1211rw ? |
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| 06:52.16 | mxmx | can anyone help me with some debian/DA issues? |
| 06:52.21 | strk | what package should I install in order to be able to compile modules ? |
| 06:52.43 | jdrake | strk, probably the one with 'headers' in its name |
| 06:52.45 | strk | I installed ndiswrapper-source as I need that, but it relies on a /lib/modules/xxx/build ... |
| 06:53.03 | strk | 'headers' is installed, but the 'build' symlink in /lib/modules isn't there |
| 06:53.18 | strk | the 'build' link for older (2.6.7) kernel points to /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/ ... |
| 06:53.31 | strk | 'headers' for 2.6.18 aren't in /usr/src at all |
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| 06:54.06 | jdrake | 2.6.7 is old :-) |
| 06:54.16 | strk | I know, that's why I'm trying to make a newer one work |
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| 06:54.26 | strk | a couple of problems with 2.6.18 out-of-the box |
| 06:54.41 | jdrake | Are you on etch? |
| 06:54.42 | sleepster | how would I go about creating my own local apt repository? |
| 06:54.52 | strk | 1) X doen't work in its current configuration (may be because it's configured to use framebuffer and packaged 2.6.18 isn't shipped with framebuffer) |
| 06:55.05 | strk | debian_version sais 4.0 |
| 06:55.23 | strk | 2) I seem to need ndiswrapper for wireless card |
| 06:55.33 | jdrake | Do you have this installed? http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 06:55.59 | jdrake | X -configure might work |
| 06:56.01 | n-iCe | has anyone used, zd1211rw ? need some help |
| 06:56.40 | strk | jdrake: I have linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 |
| 06:56.54 | strk | uhm, but uname -a says it's 2.6.18-5 |
| 06:57.08 | jdrake | ok, that will be a problem |
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| 06:57.28 | jdrake | upgrade the kernel package to 2.6.18-7 |
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| 06:58.05 | jdrake | or get 2.6.18-5 headers |
| 06:58.21 | mxmx | directadmin_cron:* * * * * root /usr/local/directadmin/dataskq <---- is that bad> |
| 06:58.32 | mxmx | does that mean its not running at all? |
| 06:58.43 | jdrake | mxmx, try adding it to /etc/cron.daily or something |
| 06:58.55 | pro | hey guys, anyone know what # the smeServer / e-smith guys hang out in? i need to change and IP and have never used this thing before |
| 06:59.11 | stew | strk: linux-kernel-headers is something different, it is userspace headers, not kernelspace headers (which would be necessary for building ndiswrapper) |
| 06:59.29 | stew | strk: that being said, you should upgrade to 2.6.18-6 which should have pre-built ndiswrapper-modules available |
| 06:59.32 | strk | stew: are kernelspace headers available as a package ? |
| 06:59.45 | stew | strk: yes, as linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:59.59 | jdrake | Didn't know of the difference before |
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| 07:00.30 | strk | should I install kernel-image-2.6-686 then ? It's reported to be 2.6.18+6etch3 |
| 07:01.06 | mxmx | jdrake its at dataskq |
| 07:01.14 | mxmx | but none of the tasks seem to be running |
| 07:01.17 | OpenTokix | strk: if you can reboot, do it |
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| 07:02.00 | mxmx | i think i hav e apermisisons issue |
| 07:02.21 | jdrake | I have to run, good luck |
| 07:02.23 | stew | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 07:02.23 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. |
| 07:02.51 | stew | strk: you want the above, but yes, you want to install linux-image-2.6-686 first |
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| 07:05.13 | n-iCe | has anyone used, zd1211rw ? need some help |
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| 07:06.14 | mxmx | what does this mean? |
| 07:06.29 | mxmx | Warning: Truncating oversized username |
| 07:06.30 | mxmx | Skipping bad record (1) |
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| 07:08.38 | strk | alright, 2.6.18-686 installed and booted. X still having problems. |
| 07:09.00 | strk | and wireless too, looks like |
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| 07:09.17 | strk | but did get framebuffer |
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| 07:10.50 | strk | ok, here's the diff between the Xorg.log: |
| 07:10.56 | strk | < (II) FBDEV(0): hardware: VESA VGA (video memory: 3072kB) |
| 07:11.00 | strk | > (II) FBDEV(0): hardware: ATI Radeon Lf (video memory: 65536kB) |
| 07:11.16 | strk | the ATI Radeon one is the working one |
| 07:11.23 | strk | I guess it's a missing module ? |
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| 07:16.14 | Arafangion | Crap, I hate kernel bugs. :( |
| 07:16.51 | Arafangion | Life'd be sweet without ATI, though, as I'd just upgrade from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26 |
| 07:17.15 | strk | (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument |
| 07:17.39 | strk | I didn't get that with older kernel |
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| 07:19.15 | mxmx | how dou restart crond ? /sbin/service crond restart deosnt work me |
| 07:20.18 | strk | /etc/init.d/crond restart ? |
| 07:20.28 | strk | /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 07:20.51 | mxmx | okd one |
| 07:20.56 | mxmx | hopefully that fixes the problem |
| 07:21.00 | mxmx | the taskqueue was full |
| 07:21.02 | mxmx | not runnign |
| 07:22.32 | strk | dpkg: error processing ndiswrapper-common_1.28-1_all.deb: trying to overwrite '`/sbin/loadndisdriver', which is also in package ndiswrapper |
| 07:22.32 | dpkg | strk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 07:23.18 | mxmx | ghmm i dont have /var/log/cron |
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| 07:24.27 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.50 | strk | X actually starts, just with wrong sync |
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| 07:27.36 | strk | http://rafb.net/p/k6Fskw52.html <--- and this for the apt-get install -f error |
| 07:28.37 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.08 | wols_ | this somewhere is not debian |
| 07:30.42 | strk | wols_: most likely, yes |
| 07:31.00 | wols_ | so remove it |
| 07:31.15 | kottlett | hi! I just upgrade a box (vmware guest) from etch to lenny. I was using the nosmp option before. however, lenny wont boot w/o the option (I suspect the SCSI not coming up) - is this a bug or a feature? :) |
| 07:31.21 | strk | I've a ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.6-xtops2 |
| 07:31.40 | strk | that was likely created as a package by the company that sold me the preinstalled laptop |
| 07:31.53 | wols_ | you also have a ndiswrapper. uninstall everything with the name ndiswrapper in it |
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| 07:32.21 | strk | I'm a bit scared about breaking the working setup though |
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| 07:32.46 | strk | for instance, this seems important: ii ndiswrapper-intel2100b 1.2.0.58-2 Installer for the Intel PRO/Wireless Lan 210 |
| 07:32.56 | wols_ | your choice. a) we don't support non debian packages b) either you remove the old ones or you never get the new ndiswrapper in |
| 07:33.04 | wols_ | strk: it isn't. |
| 07:33.17 | wols_ | and that wlan doesn't need ndiswrapper anymore for ages |
| 07:33.31 | wols_ | !ipw2100 |
| 07:33.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets (http://ipw2100.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2100.sf.net/firmware.php (v1.3 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:33.38 | strk | 00:0c.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 07:33.43 | strk | ^^ this is what it is really |
| 07:33.46 | wols_ | !b43 |
| 07:33.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the ... |
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| 07:34.00 | wols_ | and this ndiswrapper is the wrong one anyways. broadcom != intel |
| 07:34.05 | strk | uhm, I'm still talking about 2.6.18 here |
| 07:34.18 | wols_ | etch has 2.6.24 via etchnhalf |
| 07:34.20 | strk | so I guess I should go 2.6.24 really, to get "up to date" |
| 07:34.37 | wols_ | yes. your 2.6.18-5 is outdated too. there is -6 now |
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| 07:35.27 | wols_ | kottlett: smp has nothing to do with scsi drivers |
| 07:35.45 | wols_ | apic and noapic has for example but not scsi drivers or smp |
| 07:36.46 | kottlett | wols_: well, scsi was the next thing to appear :) I'm using "clock=pit noapic nolapic nosmp" as kernel command line, which worked before (this is some suggestion of the vmware time keeping docs) |
| 07:37.07 | kottlett | with "clock=pit noapic nolapic" the box boots again :) |
| 07:37.31 | strk | apt-get remove rfuses to remove till I fix the unmet dependencies of ndiswrapper-common from ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 07:37.39 | strk | but I'm asking to remove ndiswrapper-intel2100b |
| 07:37.44 | wols_ | so use it. check if you run a smp OS then |
| 07:37.45 | strk | so don't really see why that matters |
| 07:37.53 | wols_ | strk: use dpkg |
| 07:38.05 | strk | dpkg -r ndiswrapper-intel2100b ? |
| 07:38.05 | dpkg | removes ndiswrapper-intel2100b along with a pound of flesh from strk's body, then staples strk back up with a staple gun. |
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| 07:38.28 | Supaplex | hahaèheh heh |
| 07:39.01 | sleon | dpkg -r ldap-user-manager |
| 07:39.01 | dpkg | removes ldap-user-manager along with a pound of flesh from sleon's body, then staples sleon back up with a staple gun. |
| 07:39.19 | kottlett | wols_: the kernel is the lenny default kernel with SMP support. the (virtual) hardware only has one cpu, however. |
| 07:39.51 | wols_ | kottlett: dualcore is smp too |
| 07:39.59 | wols_ | kottlett: check your cpuinfo |
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| 07:41.18 | kottlett | wols_: cpuinfo only shows one CPUs (like configured in vmware) |
| 07:41.26 | wols_ | so all is well |
| 07:42.15 | strk | ok, all setup with *new* ndiswrapper (packaged) stuff |
| 07:42.45 | kottlett | wols_: sort of... I don't know why I need to use SMP even though the box has only one CPU |
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| 07:42.51 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 07:43.13 | strk | now how to proceed ? First of all 'iwconfig' shows a wlan0 (Broadcom 4301) but : wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device |
| 07:43.15 | mxmx | nof reakign wonder |
| 07:43.21 | mxmx | my stupid host wiped out the crontab |
| 07:43.23 | mxmx | its empty |
| 07:43.24 | strk | no ndiswrapper module loaded though |
| 07:43.38 | mxmx | thas why all my direcatdmin cron jobs havent been runnin |
| 07:44.06 | mxmx | does anyone use directadmin in their debian box? |
| 07:44.08 | stew | strk: you have an ipw2100? |
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| 07:44.53 | strk | lspci says: 00:0c.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
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| 07:45.34 | strk | on iwconfig call I get a message from kernel: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode2.fw" not available or load failed |
| 07:45.48 | strk | bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2) |
| 07:46.03 | hnt | Hello everybody, I'm trying to configure USB in VirtualBox, but there is no USB window in the settings of the VM. So, do you know how can I make appear this USB window ? |
| 07:46.27 | strk | stew: but I really suspect it's compatible with ipw2100 |
| 07:46.41 | strk | as I can only find ipw2100*.fw on the system, and used to work with older kernlers |
| 07:47.08 | strk | how am I supposed to force use of those .fw ? |
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| 07:47.19 | strk | I can find them in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
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| 07:47.43 | strk | what looks for them ? ndiswrapper ? |
| 07:47.56 | stew | strk: no, it would not be compatible with ipw2100 |
| 07:48.42 | streuner_ | no, ndiswrapper usually lives in /lib/firmware :-) |
| 07:48.54 | streuner_ | (firmware) |
| 07:48.58 | stew | strk: /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 07:49.34 | stew | strk: udev looks for them, not ndiswrapper |
| 07:49.58 | Arafangion | Which internet browser has the fastest Javascript, which can be easily installed on Eth? |
| 07:50.01 | Arafangion | *Etch |
| 07:50.17 | Arafangion | I currently use Opera. |
| 07:50.36 | streuner_ | fastest Javascript? :-) |
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| 07:50.57 | Arafangion | streuner_: Sites are getting too damn js heavy. :( |
| 07:51.02 | wols_ | there is a competition about the fastest javascript interpreter since ajax |
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| 07:51.25 | Arafangion | On windows, I like Chrome. |
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| 07:52.33 | strk | argh, bcm43xx-fwcutter failed fetching the stuff |
| 07:52.55 | strk | http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o : 404: |
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| 07:53.33 | Arafangion | wols_: Am I the only one who finds it peculiar that Javascript is practically the only scripting language in wide use in websites? |
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| 07:55.16 | Arafangion | finds it peculiar how FF's xul, and Java Applets both failed to beat javascript for "web applications". |
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| 08:01.32 | wols_ | it's not peculiar. the only reason flash got successful was bundling with win98 and up |
| 08:01.51 | Arafangion | Flash is bundled with win98? |
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| 08:02.17 | wols_ | yes IE comes with a flash plugin by default |
| 08:02.41 | alch3my | whats win98 got to do with anything here? |
| 08:02.56 | Arafangion | alch3my: Excuse me for asking programmer questions. |
| 08:03.08 | alch3my | hey i just switched to the chan and say win98 |
| 08:03.43 | strk | there ! as suspected... I trashed the working system |
| 08:03.54 | strk | wireless doesn't work anymore in the old one |
| 08:04.01 | strk | and doesn't work in the new one |
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| 08:04.09 | strk | never worked in the new one... |
| 08:04.19 | Arafangion | wols_: If I recall correctly, windows also had java installed as well, yet it never really took off. |
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| 08:04.49 | stew | Arafangion: please take it elsewhere, perhaps #debian-offtopic, #defocus, or maybe #web or so |
| 08:05.04 | Arafangion | Hmm, #debian-offtopic would be a good place. |
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| 08:06.44 | strk | ndiswraper: loadndiswrapper failed (256) |
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| 08:11.19 | strk | going volatile |
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| 08:13.50 | Arafangion | strk: It would be sweet if computer distributors allowed one to get a system with Linux, wouldn't it? :( |
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| 08:14.01 | strk | ok, bcm43xx-fwcutter with volatile handled to download the firmware |
| 08:14.14 | strk | Arafangion: that's what I'm doing since 4/5 years. |
| 08:14.32 | strk | Arafangion: from xtops.de I didn't get a very stable experience. This is the system I'm trying to upgrade now. |
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| 08:14.54 | strk | Arafangion: another one I got preinstalled from a friend, ubuntu in that case. pretty stable till disk crashed |
| 08:15.04 | strk | Arafangion: next one I'll have in 2 weeks from system76 |
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| 08:15.19 | yopyop | hey, how can i get all debconf config of a .deb ? |
| 08:15.34 | Arafangion | strk: My next system is likely to be a "netbook", thinking I might get the winXP based one from Dell, and wack Debian onto it. |
| 08:16.01 | Arafangion | strk: My rationale is that it's "only" twice the price of a replacement battery for this current laptop... ;) |
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| 08:17.28 | damjan | Im installing some packages in a chroot Debian... but HAL fails to finish the install, since nothing is actually running and it requires DBUS etc.. |
| 08:17.39 | damjan | is there some way to force this?? |
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| 08:24.19 | cedric3 | hi i have an hold kernel and i have not a module for my hard computer i don't know how i do to buid a source module to use on my system |
| 08:24.25 | cedric3 | thanks for your help |
| 08:24.28 | strk | so, bwm4xx loads now, and finds 5 cores. 2 enabled, 3 disabled |
| 08:24.38 | strk | last messages from kernel about it is: bcm43xx: Radio turned off |
| 08:24.53 | strk | iwlist wlan0 scan says: interface doesn't support scanning : No such device |
| 08:24.59 | strk | what should I try next ? |
| 08:25.07 | strk | some iwpriv to turn radio on ? |
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| 08:25.28 | wols_ | cedric3: do you think we're psychic so we know what module you need? |
| 08:25.55 | stew | strk: do you have a hardware kill-switch? |
| 08:26.03 | strk | stew: nope, not on this model |
| 08:26.10 | cedric3 | wols_ : no sorry i want to load a module 8021q |
| 08:26.29 | strk | iwpriv shows no "radio switch" kind of command available |
| 08:26.35 | wols_ | cedric3: and this is a module for what and source si from where? |
| 08:26.38 | cedric3 | wols_ : i have an old sarge kernel i konw is not supported but i can't update know |
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| 08:27.03 | Arafangion | cedric3: Why can't you update? |
| 08:27.31 | wols_ | cedric3: if I have to ask you about every little thing without you volunteering information, this will be a short conversation, a waste of time. HAND |
| 08:28.29 | bolt-work | cedric3: update already |
| 08:29.01 | cedric3 | wols_ : i have an debian sarge and the kernel is 2.6.8-16sarge1.2 #1 SMP when i type : modprobe 8021q i have FATAL: Module 8021q not found. |
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| 08:29.08 | cedric3 | i think it's a complete information |
| 08:29.16 | strk | uhm, I'm noticing that even if I rename /lib/firmware I get the same messages from modprobe bcm43xx, should I ? |
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| 08:29.28 | strk | or, who's supposed to load those firmware files ? |
| 08:29.31 | wols_ | cedric3: no it's not. what hardware do you want to run with this module? |
| 08:29.38 | stew | strk: udev loads them |
| 08:29.44 | damjan | 8021q is the vlan support isn't it |
| 08:29.51 | cedric3 | wols_ : i want to use vlan i want to create a vlan interface network |
| 08:29.52 | strk | stew: how can I check if it is doing it ? |
| 08:29.58 | strk | and what should trigger load of them ? |
| 08:29.58 | yopyop | after some test, i change my question, is there a command to get debconf config for a package which is not installed ? |
| 08:30.00 | stew | strk: check dmesg after loading the kernel module |
| 08:30.18 | Arafangion | strk: The kernel module should trigger the load of its firmware. |
| 08:30.22 | wols_ | cedric3: and you can't update why? |
| 08:30.24 | cedric3 | stew : i have on dmesg 8021q: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 08:30.44 | strk | last lines from dmesg are those coming from loading of module, like Arafangion says |
| 08:30.47 | stew | cedric3: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 08:30.54 | wols_ | cedric3: either you update to etch or no 8201q for you. easy as that |
| 08:31.16 | wols_ | cedric3: it's only available frm 2.6.15 onwards |
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| 08:31.50 | strk | those messages don't change if I rmmod, rename /lib/firmware out and modprobe again |
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| 08:32.15 | strk | which makes me think the firmware files aren't really used ? |
| 08:32.20 | cedric3 | wols_ : i must update my system i can't only buid this module for this kernel :( ok thanks for your help |
| 08:32.27 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.31 | cedric3 | sorry |
| 08:34.01 | strk | even if I unload the firmwrare_class module... no sign of loading /lib/firmware* |
| 08:34.30 | stew | dpkg: find 8021q.ko sarge |
| 08:34.30 | damjan | cedric3: you can install a kernel from source, you don't need to depend on Debian for that |
| 08:34.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of '8021q.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-k7/kernel/net/8021q/8021q.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-386/kernel/net/8021q/8021q.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-686/kernel/net/8021q/8021q.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-k7-smp/kernel/net/8021q/8021q.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-k7-smp. |
| 08:35.01 | strk | is dmesg supposed to print a line each .fw loaded ? |
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| 08:35.19 | Arafangion | damjan: It is easier to upgrade debian first, though. |
| 08:35.21 | wols_ | why did he build it if it exists already? |
| 08:35.35 | cedric3 | damjan : thanks |
| 08:35.44 | stew | strk: not necessarily. it will print a message if it has an error loading firmware though |
| 08:36.22 | strk | should I intentionally put a corrupted .fw in that dir to see if I get the error ? |
| 08:36.36 | stew | strk: no |
| 08:37.20 | stew | strk: find the killswitch: /msg dpkg killswitch |
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| 08:39.31 | cedric3 | damjan : the kernel source is installed |
| 08:39.35 | Arafangion | My killswitch is damn wierd. |
| 08:40.10 | Arafangion | Can turn it off, resulting in the LED to turn ON - but one can never again kill it. |
| 08:40.51 | margiolas | how i can install 386 software on amd64? |
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| 08:41.40 | Arafangion | margiolas: One presumes you might install it? |
| 08:41.58 | strk | uhm |
| 08:42.06 | strk | kinf of succeeded turnign radio on |
| 08:42.50 | strk | no idea taking whichpath |
| 08:43.01 | strk | basically I pressed a button I used to press to enable wireless |
| 08:43.07 | strk | but I tought all it did was calling a script I had |
| 08:43.14 | strk | which explicitly turned it on |
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| 08:43.52 | margiolas | Arafngion: yes |
| 08:44.47 | Arafangion | margiolas: So...? |
| 08:45.05 | stew | margiolas: can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
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| 08:48.12 | strk | SUCCESS: wireless works w/out ndiswrapper |
| 08:48.27 | strk | (no idea how to turn kill swith on, but that's another story) |
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| 08:50.03 | strk | uhm, well, not very robust |
| 08:51.15 | margiolas | stew: ok i want to install skype on amd64 its only x86 package i have heard that there is a "compatibility" between x86 packages and amd64 systems. How i can do the installation? |
| 08:51.40 | OpenTokix | margiolas: Just install |
| 08:51.54 | OpenTokix | margiolas: 32bit apps usually runs just fine on 64bit, you might need to install 32bit libs |
| 08:52.11 | OpenTokix | libc6-i386 <-- package you want |
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| 08:54.16 | stew | OpenTokix: ? what about all the dependencies? certianly he isn't going to install 32 versions of qt, alsa, etc onto a 64 bit debian |
| 08:54.35 | Octalot | margiolas: ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk should cover it |
| 08:54.53 | OpenTokix | yeah, ia32-libs |
| 08:55.00 | stew | Octalot: no, it woulnd't |
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| 08:55.37 | OpenTokix | margiolas: try to install it without anything |
| 08:55.45 | OpenTokix | skype that is |
| 08:55.45 | Arafangion | stew: If I recall correctly, Skype is a delphi application that works via a custom version of wine. |
| 08:55.46 | Octalot | I've got Skype running, and those are the only ia32... packages I have installed. |
| 08:55.53 | OpenTokix | Octalot: good for you |
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| 08:56.03 | strk | Nice, kernel panic ! |
| 08:56.09 | OpenTokix | Arafangion: there is native linux version of skype |
| 08:56.18 | strk | that's by loading bcm43xx and running ifconfig wlan0 xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 08:56.20 | Arafangion | OpenTokix: That's the one I'm talking about. |
| 08:56.34 | strk | gets to a good deal of module-fatal errors (DMA whatever) |
| 08:56.39 | Arafangion | OpenTokix: I could be wrong, though, but it is possible that they used Kylix. |
| 08:56.42 | stew | Arafangion: so you are talking about running a linux version of skype in wine? |
| 08:56.43 | strk | and finally ends with skb_over_panic from kernel |
| 08:56.50 | OpenTokix | Arafangion: who cares, it works in linux |
| 08:56.52 | stew | Arafangion: that doesn't really make sense |
| 08:57.03 | strk | if rather then doing this manually I hit the magic button, it works |
| 08:57.46 | strk | now, where should I report this, and how .. |
| 08:57.46 | Arafangion | stew: No, I'm saying that the "linux" version of skype is the windows version with a few tweaks and works with a bundled wine. |
| 08:57.53 | stew | Arafangion: its not |
| 08:58.26 | Arafangion | stew: Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. :) |
| 08:58.46 | Arafangion | stew: They must've used Kylix, then. |
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| 08:59.14 | stew | Arafangion: why must they have? |
| 08:59.22 | Octalot | The linux version is only 15MB, I doubt there's Wine in there. |
| 09:00.06 | Arafangion | stew: Because the windows version is a Delphi applicaiton. |
| 09:00.08 | Arafangion | *application. |
| 09:00.17 | stew | Arafangion: i don't see the connection |
| 09:00.18 | Arafangion | Octalot: Who said they needed the whole of Wine? |
| 09:00.38 | stew | Arafangion: the linux version of skype is the same codebase as the linux version? |
| 09:00.48 | Arafangion | stew: I suppose there's a third alternative - they might've completely rewritten it, but why would they have done that? |
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| 09:00.55 | Arafangion | Seems pointless. |
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| 09:01.18 | stew | Arafangion: there is a forth alternative, which is they rewrote part of it |
| 09:01.55 | Arafangion | stew: One wonders why they would've used Delphi, then. |
| 09:02.15 | faileas | Arafangion: familiarity? |
| 09:02.51 | Arafangion | faileas: A plausible argument for version 1.x of a product, which only works on windows, but fails when you start rewriting it for other OS's. |
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| 09:07.36 | faileas | Arafangion: and for one with more than one dev ;p |
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| 09:09.11 | Arafangion | faileas: I suppose that such a company might not see the duplication of work there. |
| 09:09.19 | Octalot | margiolas: we got sidetracked into an argument. There are packages in the amd64 distribution called ia32-libs and ia32-gtk that install 32-bit support code on 64-bit systems. No messing about with gettig packages from the 32-bit distribution. |
| 09:09.32 | Octalot | (well, the packagers do it for you) |
| 09:10.22 | stew | judd versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 09:10.23 | judd | stew: ia32-libs: 1.19 (etch) 2.7 (lenny) 2.7 (sid) |
| 09:10.29 | Arafangion | margiolas: The degree of 32-bit compatibility you're getting is a feature peculiar to your particular system, ie, it's an explicit design feature of the AMD64. |
| 09:10.37 | OpenTokix | And one can be pretty sure skype is statically linked |
| 09:10.47 | stew | judd: versions ia32-gtk --arch amd64 |
| 09:10.48 | judd | stew: ia32-gtk: |
| 09:11.01 | margiolas | ok thanks |
| 09:11.04 | Octalot | OpenTokix: if you download the statically-linked version it is, otherwise it isn't |
| 09:11.11 | OpenTokix | Octalot: =) |
| 09:11.18 | stew | Octalot: i don't see a ia32-gtk package, but that is probably alright. i don't know why he'd need gtk libraries for a qt application |
| 09:11.33 | OpenTokix | Octalot: Is Octalot the statically linked version of Octa, can you get Octaless to? |
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| 09:15.46 | nocturn | I'm looking for a way to check for file corruption on debian. Something similar to rpm -Va on rpm-based distros |
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| 09:16.23 | Arafangion | nocturn: Unlike rpm, I've yet to have such corruption. |
| 09:16.38 | themill | dpkg: tell nocturn about debsums |
| 09:16.39 | stew | nocturn: have a look at debsums |
| 09:16.46 | nocturn | Arafangion: the corruption wasn't caused by dpkg |
| 09:16.58 | Octalot | My mistake, it's ia32-libs-gtk, not ia32-gtk. |
| 09:16.59 | nocturn | Thanks the |
| 09:17.08 | Arafangion | nocturn: Sorry, I thought you were talking about the rpm _database_, with which I did have serious corruption a while ago on an MDK system. |
| 09:17.35 | nocturn | Arafangion: no prob. I just had ssh segfault on me and found out the binary was corrupt |
| 09:17.56 | nocturn | Fixed that one, but I need to know if the others are affected too... |
| 09:18.00 | Arafangion | nocturn: Not a good sign. :( |
| 09:18.11 | Octalot | And a Qt application needs it because it provides libQtDBus.so . YA RLY |
| 09:18.34 | Arafangion | Octalot: Please say that you're joking. :( |
| 09:18.53 | stew | no, he's not, its curious enough tham i'd downloading the source |
| 09:19.07 | Octalot | apt-file find libQtDBus |
| 09:19.46 | Arafangion | I could understand the dependency on GObject, but gtk... Bleh. |
| 09:19.59 | stew | there is no dependency on gtk |
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| 09:20.27 | trifler | adduser or useradd which should be used? |
| 09:20.32 | stew | trifler: adduser |
| 09:21.18 | trifler | stew: roger |
| 09:21.32 | Arafangion | roger? |
| 09:21.54 | joltcan | roger roger |
| 09:22.05 | Arafangion | Uh? |
| 09:22.08 | stew | that's insane, the ia32-libs-gtk source package package contains source for gtk, qt, dbus, glib, etc |
| 09:22.48 | themill | hah nice |
| 09:22.58 | Octalot | I was expecting it to just pull packages from the 32-bit distro and repackage them. |
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| 09:23.25 | Arafangion | Octalot: That would cause conflicts, wouldn't it? |
| 09:23.53 | stew | Octalot: that's what ths does. the source package actually contains the .dsc/.diff.gz/.orig.tar.gzs of the other source packages |
| 09:23.54 | Octalot | remembers that the tool to do that on the end-user machine got RC-bugged just before the Lenny freeze. |
| 09:24.47 | Octalot | s/expecting it to just pull packages/expecting it to just pull the COMPILED packages/ |
| 09:25.08 | stew | Octalot: oh, it has those too |
| 09:26.08 | stew | oh, it doesn't actually build from source, how is this allowed |
| 09:26.57 | Octalot | guesses it's allowed with a lenny-ignore tagged RC bug, and goes to check. |
| 09:27.07 | stew | nope |
| 09:27.07 | themill | nope |
| 09:27.19 | themill | hmm... there seems to be an echo in here |
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| 09:29.25 | Octalot | not quite, it's #484599 |
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| 09:29.55 | jelly | nocturn: debsums, but not all packages have files checksummed |
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| 09:31.06 | nocturn | jelly: thanks, I noticed... seems like I will need to reinstall |
| 09:31.23 | nocturn | strange problem though... smart tests come up clean, yet several files are currupt |
| 09:31.39 | jelly | nocturn: [reinstall] hopefully after fixing your faulty hardware |
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| 09:32.20 | jelly | nocturn: data can become corrupted in memory and written back to metal plates that way |
| 09:32.40 | stew | i guess this falls under the category of "policy is merely a guideline of best practices" |
| 09:33.09 | jelly | also under "we still don't have a reasonable multiarch implementation" |
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| 09:33.26 | nocturn | jelly: that would be possible, but it's binaries like ssh and they haven't been updated this week |
| 09:34.01 | jelly | nocturn: mhm. I've seen a single instance of disk-drive bitrot in 15 years |
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| 09:35.05 | nocturn | I've seen it before, but that drive spit out smart errors when tested... |
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| 09:39.44 | damjan | Does anyone know how can I change the default file type associations for Gnome .. as an administrator I'd like to replace Totem with Smplayer for all new users? |
| 09:40.37 | mardi | i like debian |
| 09:40.52 | aliases123 | mardi: isn't that why you are here ? |
| 09:41.32 | mardi | aliases123: yup, i use debian with xfce and like it lots |
| 09:41.34 | aliases123 | damjan: try in #gnome |
| 09:41.57 | damjan | aliases123: thanks ... I thought Debian might be having is's own setup for that |
| 09:43.58 | mardi | i like debian and xfce |
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| 09:46.01 | mardi | debian with xfce has been very good to me, very stable |
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| 09:48.33 | bolt-work | mardi: which wm did you use again? i forgot |
| 09:49.22 | simonrvn | xfce's is xfwm4 ... |
| 09:50.32 | bolt-work | simonrvn: just making a point about him advertising how much he likes it the last 3 sentences :) |
| 09:51.05 | simonrvn | i figured you had <facetious> but wasn't sure ;) |
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| 09:53.53 | agoodNando | Some programs take forever to start up: Amarok, Wine, winecfg. |
| 09:53.59 | agoodNando | Any idea ? |
| 09:54.45 | simonrvn | agoodNando : check #mindreaders |
| 09:54.56 | bolt-work | agoodNando: if your computer is otherwise fast, try upping the debug output on wine, for instance. see if you can find out where it spends its time |
| 09:55.26 | agoodNando | bolt-work: OK. Thanks. |
| 09:55.37 | bolt-work | agoodNando: sound, perhaps? they all use that. find some common ground which doesn't affect your other programs |
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| 09:56.10 | jelly | agoodNando: all of those are hogs anyway are you sure that's not their normal slowness? |
| 09:56.28 | jelly | buys a pack of commas |
| 09:56.48 | simonrvn | sends them express post |
| 09:56.57 | agoodNando | jelly: Yes. I am sure. They take 10 minutes to start up. |
| 09:57.12 | simonrvn | checked syslog? dmesg? |
| 09:57.29 | simonrvn | ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 09:57.30 | apt | from memory, /.xsession-errors is quite common |
| 09:57.41 | agoodNando | No. I'll try it right away. |
| 09:58.02 | simonrvn | apt: yes |
| 09:58.03 | apt | You don't say! |
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| 10:00.58 | agoodNando | Hehe. Amarok: [Loader] Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong? It is the only thing that show up in urxvt. :D |
| 10:02.20 | jelly | apt: forget /.xsession-errors |
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| 10:10.01 | sbsd | hi |
| 10:10.12 | sbsd | anyone here compile perl 5.10 on etch? |
| 10:10.45 | Arafangion | sbsd: Why would we? |
| 10:11.05 | sbsd | well if you did then you could respond yes |
| 10:11.35 | Arafangion | sbsd: If they could be bothered to do so, for sure. |
| 10:11.42 | Octalot | I am not convinced of the merits of that versus the time to do so. |
| 10:12.28 | sbsd | well i was assuming it was possible anyways |
| 10:12.36 | sbsd | but the build fails for me |
| 10:12.55 | Arafangion | I suppose the _real_ question might be raised soon... |
| 10:13.06 | Octalot | I'm not sure - it's one of the big upgrades from Etch to Lenny. |
| 10:13.43 | sbsd | how's lenny doing? |
| 10:14.03 | sbsd | heh |
| 10:14.47 | Octalot | Out of interest, why do you want Perl 5.10 on Etch? |
| 10:14.49 | sbsd | yes well the REAL question is it possible to compile perl 5.10 on etch? |
| 10:15.19 | sbsd | for no good reason other than i thought it was possible and i need a non system perl available |
| 10:15.22 | Arafangion | Octalot: Should be simple to compile it, vs integrating it into a distro such that no dependencies break. For an individual system, no reason why you won't be able to just compile and use it for a particular program, put it into /opt/perl-5.10 |
| 10:15.36 | sbsd | i don't want it part of the system |
| 10:15.40 | Arafangion | sbsd: I _assume_ that you should be able to do it. |
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| 10:16.36 | sbsd | pp_pack.c:(.text+0x452e): undefined reference to `floor' |
| 10:16.36 | sbsd | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:16.36 | sbsd | make: *** [miniperl] Error 1 |
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| 10:16.44 | sbsd | it ends there |
| 10:17.35 | Arafangion | sbsd: That sucks, might need to compile an alternate libc, and stick it into a chroot. |
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| 10:17.59 | Arafangion | Which is not trivial. |
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| 10:18.32 | Arafangion | isn't a perl hacker, though. |
| 10:19.01 | sbsd | why would i need an alternate libc? |
| 10:19.08 | jelly | sbsd: have you installed the necessary build dependencies? |
| 10:19.23 | sbsd | what would they be? |
| 10:19.35 | jelly | sbsd: "apt-get build-dep perl" |
| 10:19.37 | Arafangion | sbsd: Unless I'm mistaken (And I probably am), the floor function is part of the c library. |
| 10:20.05 | jelly | !build-dep |
| 10:20.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-dep is "To install the packages needed to build some other package in the way the debian package of it was configured use "apt-get build-dep <package-you-want-to-build>". If you'd like to add features or use a newer version of the libraries, you may need to manually get those specific -dev packages. WARNING: You'll not be able to undo the build-dep automatically. So you're screwed, unless you have all the time in the world to hunt ... |
| 10:20.12 | sbsd | ahh i was looking for something like that :) |
| 10:20.17 | sbsd | i knew it |
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| 10:20.42 | sbsd | gah |
| 10:20.50 | jelly | it requires uncommented deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:20.52 | sbsd | i was guessing the deps |
| 10:21.18 | sbsd | yeah |
| 10:21.22 | jelly | that would give you the deps needed for debian's current package (ie. what the system 5.8 was built with) |
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| 10:22.02 | sbsd | yeah i got some extra goodies with that |
| 10:22.07 | sbsd | i'll give it another go |
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| 10:23.58 | sbsd | is it fairly easy to go from etch to lenny? |
| 10:24.14 | sbsd | ...ended in same error |
| 10:24.31 | sbsd | i guess i'll try the 5.8 perl |
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| 10:25.41 | jelly | sbsd: did your test compile forget to use -lm ? |
| 10:25.54 | sbsd | my test compile? |
| 10:25.54 | jelly | sbsd: (when linking) |
| 10:26.12 | jelly | sbsd: whatever gave you that pp_pack.c:(.text+0x452e): undefined reference to `floor' error |
| 10:26.33 | sbsd | that was the last few lines |
| 10:26.42 | sbsd | it didn't find a bunch of stuff |
| 10:26.44 | jelly | !errors |
| 10:26.44 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 10:26.50 | sbsd | pp.c:(.text+0x9ca2): undefined reference to `sin' |
| 10:26.50 | sbsd | pp.c:(.text+0x9d58): undefined reference to `sqrt' |
| 10:26.51 | sbsd | pp.c:(.text+0x9d70): undefined reference to `exp' |
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| 10:27.03 | sbsd | i can cp it to pastebin |
| 10:27.06 | liable | math.h missing? |
| 10:27.11 | jelly | sbsd: yep. you didn't link with math library |
| 10:27.12 | liable | or whatever it is |
| 10:27.29 | Arafangion | liable: Looks like it. |
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| 10:28.07 | sbsd | i didn't personally link anything |
| 10:28.10 | sbsd | heh |
| 10:28.22 | liable | the makefile is borked |
| 10:28.29 | jelly | sbsd: is build-dep now installed? Have you rerun configure after it'd been installed? |
| 10:28.30 | sbsd | i expected the configure to handle all the dirty work |
| 10:28.43 | sbsd | yeah i did a make clean |
| 10:28.46 | sbsd | reran configure |
| 10:28.50 | sbsd | make depend |
| 10:28.53 | sbsd | then make |
| 10:29.01 | jelly | shrugs |
| 10:29.29 | liable | did the ./configure exit cleanly? |
| 10:29.33 | sbsd | yeah |
| 10:29.35 | sbsd | so did depend |
| 10:32.33 | sbsd | http://pastebin.com/m1fa3a840 |
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| 10:35.43 | jelly | sbsd: you're missing -lm in that linking call for miniperl, figure out the best place to plug it in |
| 10:36.24 | sbsd | where would be a good place to plug it in? |
| 10:36.36 | sbsd | heh like in one of the configure variables? |
| 10:36.48 | jelly | perhaps |
| 10:37.21 | sbsd | well i rm'd the source dir |
| 10:37.27 | jelly | I think you're doing something wrong though, perl's build scripts ought to be smart enough not to make rookie mistakes |
| 10:37.30 | sbsd | and extracted a new dir |
| 10:37.36 | jelly | I'd ask in #perl |
| 10:37.37 | sbsd | starting fresh |
| 10:37.42 | sbsd | it's actually going further |
| 10:37.48 | sbsd | #perl smerl |
| 10:37.52 | sbsd | you guys are the best |
| 10:37.54 | sbsd | thanks |
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| 10:38.24 | sbsd | it must of been using a config.old or something |
| 10:38.46 | sbsd | seems to be going |
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| 10:38.54 | sbsd | sweet |
| 10:39.37 | nocturn | How well does Xen work on Debian Stable? |
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| 10:39.47 | nocturn | Anyone running it in production? |
| 10:40.02 | sbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.09 | mquin | nocturn: yes and yes |
| 10:40.40 | nocturn | I used it a lot on CentOS, which was fine, but on Ubuntu (server) it trashed the system |
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| 10:41.23 | sbsd | thanks jelly for your help |
| 10:41.28 | jelly | cheers |
| 10:41.31 | sbsd | that build-dep was key i'm sure |
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| 10:41.47 | sbsd | i was missin a few packages |
| 10:41.55 | sbsd | probably added a few i didn't need too |
| 10:42.04 | sbsd | trying to fill the requirements |
| 10:42.12 | sbsd | like g++ |
| 10:42.14 | sbsd | heheh |
| 10:42.48 | sbsd | i saw in the config though it checked for a c++ compiler |
| 10:43.11 | mquin | nocturn: we've got about 115 domUs - mostly etch with the odd centos/rhel instance, all the dom0's are Etch using the packaged hypervisor |
| 10:43.42 | nocturn | mquin: nice... |
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| 10:43.44 | sbsd | hook me up with the vps yo |
| 10:44.00 | sbsd | Linux interconnecting.us 2.6.18-53.1.13.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 14:04:18 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 10:44.17 | jelly | sbsd: generic configure checks for f77, too, doesn't it? |
| 10:44.37 | sbsd | maybe i was gonna add that too |
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| 10:44.40 | sbsd | some fortran |
| 10:44.56 | sbsd | some lisp |
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| 10:45.12 | sbsd | a variety |
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| 10:45.26 | sbsd | modula64 |
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| 10:45.33 | happytiger | Is there a way i can share my desktop with 3 other pcs? krdc = allows only 1 person to view over its vnc connection I need 3 people to see what is on my screen |
| 10:45.41 | sbsd | tightvnc |
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| 10:46.29 | happytiger | sbsd: but wont that one make the 3 user log in to 3 seperate screens |
| 10:46.44 | happytiger | ie. 3 login sessions |
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| 10:46.59 | sbsd | hrmm yeah maybe i'm thinking of windows or something |
| 10:47.33 | happytiger | yeah i need 3 ppl to se what I see not have 3 others logged in on my machine |
| 10:47.40 | sbsd | gotta be a way to just login to the same screen |
| 10:47.54 | sbsd | with tightvnc |
| 10:47.56 | happytiger | yeah would sound like a piece of pie wouldnt it :-) |
| 10:48.06 | happytiger | but . |
| 10:48.45 | sbsd | tight vnc is tiyeeet |
| 10:48.54 | happytiger | ? |
| 10:48.56 | sbsd | hi |
| 10:48.57 | Arafangion | sbsd: Tried nx? |
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| 10:49.06 | sbsd | nx? |
| 10:49.09 | nocturn | Any idea when 5.0 will be out? |
| 10:49.20 | happytiger | but nx does the same give me a new loginsceeen for each user |
| 10:49.32 | Arafangion | sbsd: nomachine's nx desktop is apparently the best solution. |
| 10:49.32 | happytiger | I want the 3 othes to see my session |
| 10:49.51 | sbsd | ahh |
| 10:49.53 | Arafangion | happytiger: Start a tightvnc session within that, then - should work... |
| 10:49.57 | sbsd | i just use tightvnc |
| 10:50.25 | Octalot | nocturn: when the green line on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ hits the bottom |
| 10:50.37 | sbsd | mainly for getting to my windows machine from my psp |
| 10:50.40 | happytiger | Arafangion: hm oki will try |
| 10:50.43 | bolt-work | there's a program called x11vnc which opens a vnc server connected to the current x session |
| 10:50.53 | bolt-work | i have that in my .xsession file. useful sometimes :) |
| 10:51.00 | Arafangion | happytiger: I personaly don't use it, though - I'm a ssh+screen junky. |
| 10:51.01 | happytiger | bolt-work: that sounds more like it |
| 10:51.22 | bolt-work | happytiger: should be in your repositories :) |
| 10:51.26 | sbsd | i'm an ctrl + a + tabbin split screen command line junkie |
| 10:51.27 | sbsd | what |
| 10:51.35 | happytiger | :-) |
| 10:51.39 | Arafangion | bolt-work: The nice thing about vnc is that it provides a _persistent_ x11 session. |
| 10:51.58 | Arafangion | sbsd: OOh, split screen! Hardcore! |
| 10:52.02 | happytiger | :-) |
| 10:52.13 | bolt-work | Arafangion: there are lots of nice things about vnc, but that's not a thing I use |
| 10:52.26 | sbsd | yeahhave that mofo split up like a dozen times on the 22" monitor with small fonts |
| 10:52.29 | bolt-work | sbsd: check out ratpoison if you haven't. kickass keyboard-driven wm |
| 10:52.33 | sbsd | with 50 sessions open |
| 10:52.36 | Arafangion | bolt-work: The only other good feature is easy sharing. |
| 10:52.48 | sbsd | well |
| 10:52.50 | jelly | gives sbsd a power failure |
| 10:52.58 | sbsd | on my laptop here on my lap i have the fluxbox |
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| 10:53.17 | sbsd | with the urxvt transparency goin on |
| 10:53.25 | sbsd | groovy background and floating text |
| 10:53.35 | sbsd | so that my split screens can look groovy |
| 10:53.40 | jelly | !enter |
| 10:53.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 10:53.50 | faileas | jelly: pfft. i had an exploding power supply the other day ;p |
| 10:53.51 | sbsd | i have a screenshot somewhere |
| 10:54.04 | sbsd | and the perl is done |
| 10:54.05 | sbsd | woot |
| 10:54.14 | sbsd | All tests successful. |
| 10:54.14 | sbsd | u=3.82 s=0.92 cu=332.94 cs=30.29 scripts=1388 tests=188186 |
| 10:54.14 | sbsd | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/perl-5.10.0' |
| 10:55.17 | sbsd | www.seabsd.org/2008-09-07_1024x768.png |
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| 10:56.38 | bolt-work | Arafangion: and that it's supported by so many platforms. I can use vnc from my phone |
| 10:56.40 | sbsd | fluxbox is oldschool |
| 10:56.46 | JyZyXEL | whos eliminating the humans |
| 10:56.48 | sbsd | but this is just a pIII laptop |
| 10:56.49 | bolt-work | ratpoison is über |
| 10:57.03 | sbsd | i do a lot though for it just being a pIII |
| 10:57.04 | Arafangion | sbsd: Nice theme. I might return to flux oneday. I'm in a bit of an xfce4 phase. |
| 10:57.23 | bolt-work | sbsd: this is a pentium 166. runs perfectly with ratpoison :P |
| 10:57.33 | bolt-work | sbsd: thinkpad 380ed. kick ass. |
| 10:57.37 | sbsd | only reason i run xorg really is for a browser |
| 10:57.43 | sbsd | to look at pics i can't see in lynx |
| 10:57.44 | jelly | upstream xfce seems to become more bloated with each day |
| 10:57.52 | Arafangion | sbsd: And MPlayer, it seems. ;) |
| 10:57.55 | sbsd | if i want a gui i'll go over to the xp box |
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| 10:58.03 | Arafangion | jelly: It's not nearly as fast as I was expecting. :( |
| 10:58.03 | sbsd | i tossed that up for eyecandy |
| 10:58.09 | sbsd | i never watch movies on this laptop |
| 10:58.11 | sbsd | heheh |
| 10:58.13 | sbsd | but i can if i want |
| 10:58.14 | jelly | sbsd: links2 + framebuffer graphics :-> |
| 10:58.26 | sbsd | hahah yeah |
| 10:58.37 | sbsd | ascii pr0n |
| 10:58.39 | Arafangion | links2... Now _that_ is a good browser. |
| 10:58.41 | jelly | and a P3 is good enough for divx and dvds |
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| 10:59.01 | jelly | had a P3/500 until 2005 |
| 10:59.08 | Arafangion | jelly: Apparently one requires just 400MHz for DVD's. |
| 10:59.17 | sbsd | yeah i'm suprised i could watch a movie with xorg blowin full toots with transparency and gkrellm |
| 10:59.30 | jelly | Arafangion: those worked well even on a P2/266, iirc |
| 10:59.32 | Arafangion | The big issue with x86 PC's is the graphics bandwidth. |
| 10:59.53 | Arafangion | jelly: Well, it was transmetter making that claim... Guess they're not quite as performant clock-for-clock. |
| 11:00.07 | Arafangion | *transmatta. |
| 11:00.11 | Arafangion | *transmetta |
| 11:00.16 | sbsd | hw.model: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU - M 1200MHz |
| 11:00.35 | Arafangion | My laptops keep breaking. :( |
| 11:00.52 | sbsd | yeah i have a broken laptop on a magazine |
| 11:01.00 | Arafangion | This is my third. |
| 11:01.03 | sbsd | for my desktop |
| 11:01.06 | sbsd | hahah |
| 11:01.12 | Arafangion | Over about 7 or so years. |
| 11:01.17 | sbsd | i'm about to mount the lcd base to the laptop mb |
| 11:01.34 | sbsd | i have other spare laptop parts |
| 11:01.41 | sbsd | thinking about building an ebook reader |
| 11:01.45 | faileas | XD |
| 11:01.54 | faileas | my web/irc server is a PIII 450 ;p |
| 11:02.07 | Arafangion | sbsd: If you have a touch screen, or can fashion one, that'd work nicely. |
| 11:02.10 | faileas | the amount of ram i crammed in there seems to make a HUGE difference though |
| 11:02.18 | sbsd | it's easy to turn lcd into touchscreen |
| 11:02.20 | sbsd | you can get a kit |
| 11:02.21 | Arafangion | faileas: More than anything, RAM matters. |
| 11:02.27 | sbsd | but i don't really need a touch screen |
| 11:02.33 | faileas | Arafangion: 640 mb is enough for that ;p |
| 11:02.41 | faileas | 720 is the max i think |
| 11:02.48 | Arafangion | faileas: Now, where did I hear that particular number before? ;) |
| 11:03.00 | faileas | XD |
| 11:03.02 | sbsd | for an ebook reader i just need a screen and a mouse rollerball thingie |
| 11:03.09 | Arafangion | My work PC has 3GB, and it's dog slow. |
| 11:03.12 | faileas | Arafangion: too much trouble to find SD ram ;p |
| 11:03.20 | faileas | Arafangion: all a matter of setup |
| 11:03.31 | Arafangion | faileas: Yeah... I'm blaming Vista. |
| 11:03.35 | faileas | kitten USED to run a full ubuntu/KDE setup |
| 11:03.47 | faileas | now its minimal debian, no X ;p |
| 11:04.04 | faileas | oh and freenx, which was the main load on it ;p |
| 11:04.10 | faileas | i mean in the old box |
| 11:04.30 | Arafangion | Ubuntu's an impressive system. (Debian's still better in several areas, though, but Ubuntu's going well) |
| 11:04.57 | sbsd | i didn't think there was a difference |
| 11:05.02 | faileas | debian is better for speed. ubuntu has a much better system for third party package support IMO |
| 11:05.06 | sbsd | i treat ubuntu and knoppix like debian |
| 11:05.19 | sbsd | it's all the same shit |
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| 11:05.32 | Arafangion | sbsd: The deeper you go, the more differences you find. |
| 11:05.38 | faileas | sbsd: i use both |
| 11:05.43 | Arafangion | sbsd: And it definetly doesn't upgrade as smoothly as debian. |
| 11:06.07 | faileas | one example, my bro's laptop was running the latest stable ubuntu (hardy) and had problems with throttleing |
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| 11:06.12 | sbsd | i'm going elbow deep |
| 11:06.16 | faileas | swapped it with lenny and it runs as smooth as silk |
| 11:06.56 | Arafangion | sbsd: At one point I did a routine apt-get upgrade, without even switching sources. |
| 11:07.06 | Arafangion | sbsd: And it removed my frigging mesa libraries! |
| 11:07.13 | sbsd | heh |
| 11:07.23 | sbsd | well i mean cmon |
| 11:07.24 | Arafangion | (Had an OpenGL assignment that week... Was "irritated") |
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| 11:07.36 | faileas | lol |
| 11:07.36 | MrWax | wtmp begins Wed Oct 1 10:13:21 2008 |
| 11:07.40 | MrWax | Does anyone know if this is okay? |
| 11:07.41 | sbsd | switch the apt sources at least |
| 11:07.50 | MrWax | shouldn't it start the date i installed debian?> |
| 11:08.18 | sbsd | damn it's 4am |
| 11:08.25 | Arafangion | 21:08 here. |
| 11:08.57 | sbsd | the reason i created a new perl is cuz i hosed my box last night |
| 11:09.01 | sbsd | ruined the cpan then apt |
| 11:09.10 | sbsd | formatted |
| 11:09.12 | sbsd | reinstalled |
| 11:09.17 | sbsd | trying out the new encrypted lvm |
| 11:09.23 | sbsd | it's pretty sweet |
| 11:09.31 | sbsd | though i have to keep a serial connect to it |
| 11:09.35 | faileas | lol |
| 11:09.40 | sbsd | cuz it asks for a passphrase on boot |
| 11:09.45 | faileas | sbsd: what did you do to hose it? |
| 11:09.46 | sbsd | headless box |
| 11:09.55 | sbsd | mixing cpan modules with packages |
| 11:09.58 | sbsd | bad bad bad |
| 11:10.01 | faileas | lol |
| 11:10.12 | Arafangion | remembers upgrading a Sid box remotely... Damn nervous. |
| 11:10.14 | faileas | generally tries any major change on a VM first ;p |
| 11:10.18 | sbsd | so anyways the lesson is never mess with system perl |
| 11:10.24 | faileas | what do you need to do a serial connect? |
| 11:10.28 | faileas | null modem cable? |
| 11:10.33 | sbsd | if you're gonna dink with perl modules you better make your own perl somewhere else |
| 11:10.38 | sbsd | and leave the system perl alone |
| 11:10.52 | sbsd | yeah i have a serial adapter thingie |
| 11:10.55 | sbsd | heh |
| 11:11.06 | faileas | has a headless box in another room. i have SSH on it, and go kick it when it dosen't work ;p |
| 11:11.08 | sbsd | it's actuall db9 adapters hooked to cat5 |
| 11:11.17 | sbsd | but i had to hax0r something up late last night |
| 11:11.21 | faileas | last downtime i had was the... PSU exploding |
| 11:11.33 | faileas | has pics ;p |
| 11:12.26 | sbsd | i have this 1u server in a cabinet piled full of stuff to muffle the noise |
| 11:12.26 | Arafangion | faileas: Last downtime I had was the... power surge that didn't touch anything except somehow breaking the PSU and blowing the capacitors on the server, through a UPS which was unharmed! |
| 11:12.42 | sbsd | and it rebooted and i realized it wasn't coming back up and i'm like holy shit it's waiting for a passphrase |
| 11:12.49 | sbsd | pulls all the crap out of the cabinet |
| 11:12.54 | sbsd | hooks monitor to box |
| 11:12.55 | sbsd | keyboard |
| 11:13.13 | Arafangion | faileas: The dodgy ADSL router, network switches, the TV, etc, didn't miss a beat. |
| 11:13.23 | faileas | Arafangion: http://faileas.greywolf.googlepages.com/100_1943.jpg i |
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| 11:13.38 | faileas | that was under normal conditions |
| 11:13.46 | JyZyXEL | what happen tere |
| 11:13.47 | faileas | my server is in a standard old PC case |
| 11:13.51 | faileas | built to last |
| 11:14.00 | bolt-work | I want to make a 500 mb encrypted file which can be mounted as a filesystem by providing a passphrase or something. Any ideas on what I could use? |
| 11:14.01 | Arafangion | faileas: Nice(!) |
| 11:14.05 | faileas | JyZyXEL: no idea. it just blew... randomly when i was working on it |
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| 11:14.12 | sbsd | well i have several project machines |
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| 11:14.15 | sbsd | at home |
| 11:14.25 | faileas | Arafangion: its 8 years old. i have a new quieter PSU replacing it. so quiet i don't know its on ;p |
| 11:14.36 | Arafangion | faileas: I'm deaf, don't need it quiet. :) |
| 11:14.39 | sbsd | stuff i find in the dumpster |
| 11:14.43 | sbsd | and put debian on |
| 11:15.06 | sbsd | hahah the sweet thing about debian is that it will go on anything |
| 11:15.08 | sbsd | my xbox |
| 11:15.18 | sbsd | indy r5k |
| 11:15.21 | Arafangion | sbsd: One of these days Debian will begin competing with netbsd. |
| 11:15.22 | faileas | Arafangion: my PREVIOUS server was half the speed, and sounded like a jet plane |
| 11:15.23 | sbsd | 68k mac |
| 11:15.24 | sbsd | ppc |
| 11:15.31 | faileas | sbsd: i got a SGI octane |
| 11:15.34 | Arafangion | faileas: Can't hear them either. ;) |
| 11:15.38 | faileas | i need a display adaptor though |
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| 11:15.44 | faileas | er.. double the speed |
| 11:15.47 | sbsd | i've got octane in parts |
| 11:15.52 | sbsd | i should put it back together |
| 11:16.17 | Arafangion | faileas: Rather curious how that chip should've blown, though. |
| 11:16.33 | sbsd | what is that u13w to svga or something like that? |
| 11:16.36 | sbsd | is that what you need? |
| 11:16.51 | sbsd | i had a sun one that i had to bend a pin on to get it to work |
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| 11:17.01 | sbsd | ohh |
| 11:17.04 | sbsd | display adapte |
| 11:17.11 | sbsd | you mean the video card? |
| 11:17.28 | sbsd | hahah man to get debian on my indy r5k i had to serial netboot |
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| 11:17.52 | sbsd | err serial in and netboot |
| 11:17.59 | sbsd | serial netboot would be leet though |
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| 11:19.00 | sbsd | i thought i was done with serial back in 95 but these damn fools keep using it for management ports on routers and shit |
| 11:19.22 | sbsd | it does come in handy |
| 11:19.33 | Arafangion | serial will never go away. |
| 11:19.37 | Arafangion | It's made a comeback with usb. |
| 11:19.41 | OpenTokix | sbsd: do you have a quick rundown how serial over lan works? |
| 11:19.43 | sbsd | i always serial stuff in daisy chain in the cabinet |
| 11:19.44 | Arafangion | Though not for consoles. |
| 11:19.56 | sbsd | serial over lan? |
| 11:20.10 | OpenTokix | sbsd: yeah, availibe in many managment cards for computer. |
| 11:20.20 | OpenTokix | sbsd: you are supposed to be able to get a console over SOL |
| 11:20.35 | Arafangion | SOL? |
| 11:20.39 | sbsd | heh |
| 11:21.02 | sbsd | get yourself one of them iloms |
| 11:21.31 | OpenTokix | Arafangion: Serial-Over-Lan |
| 11:21.38 | sbsd | i've never seen such a thing |
| 11:21.42 | Arafangion | OpenTokix: *of course*, thanks. |
| 11:21.45 | OpenTokix | sbsd: I dont want any more hardware-crap |
| 11:21.55 | OpenTokix | sbsd: this is a little card inside the server |
| 11:22.02 | sbsd | well serial over lan is the crazy mmkay |
| 11:22.05 | OpenTokix | sbsd: I have the newer style with KVM-over-lan, also very hanly |
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| 11:22.14 | sbsd | with that little card inside the server |
| 11:22.19 | sbsd | yeah that's the same as an ilom |
| 11:22.26 | sbsd | lights out management |
| 11:22.43 | OpenTokix | ahh, yeah |
| 11:22.48 | sbsd | serial over lan ... |
| 11:22.52 | sbsd | are you serial? |
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| 11:23.02 | OpenTokix | serial loco |
| 11:23.12 | sbsd | ok |
| 11:23.21 | mquin | lights out is awsome - massively reduces the amount of time we have to spend in cold, noisy rooms :) |
| 11:23.42 | OpenTokix | mquin: exactly |
| 11:23.43 | sbsd | bah there's always a reason to visit that cold noisy room |
| 11:24.00 | OpenTokix | mquin: Especially since I am looking into getting stuff in a cold noisy room half a planet away =) |
| 11:24.15 | sbsd | as much as i say i'ma stay out of the data center i'm there almost every day |
| 11:24.29 | Arafangion | OpenTokix: Wouldn't that be a /rather/ hot room? ;) |
| 11:24.39 | OpenTokix | sbsd: I guess the frequency is direct related to the amount of hardware? |
| 11:24.40 | Arafangion | OpenTokix: Depends on direction, I suppose. |
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| 11:24.53 | OpenTokix | Arafangion: Across the perimiter of the planet |
| 11:25.22 | sbsd | well we have antennas and stuff i have to adjust or test |
| 11:26.00 | sbsd | there's so much stuff going on it's always something |
| 11:27.34 | bolt-work | I want to make a 500 mb encrypted file which can be mounted as a filesystem by providing a passphrase or something. Any ideas on what I could use? |
| 11:27.34 | sbsd | i like hanging out in the fiber room |
| 11:27.57 | OpenTokix | bolt-work: encfs |
| 11:28.00 | sbsd | there's always this hot chick in there |
| 11:28.10 | OpenTokix | sbsd: surname? .jpg? |
| 11:28.12 | sbsd | testing fiber cables is sexy ubernerdy hot |
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| 11:28.18 | dtcrshr | [sbsd]: ask her to calibrate your xpd |
| 11:28.36 | abrotman | bolt-work: luks? dmcrypt? google a little .. it's out there |
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| 11:29.21 | sbsd | i thought it was so cool that debian has the encrypted filesystem option now on install |
| 11:29.40 | sbsd | i didn't have to set anything up it was just done |
| 11:29.45 | Arafangion | Does encrypted swap work yet? |
| 11:29.55 | Lagbolt | Arafangion, my swap is encrypted |
| 11:29.58 | sbsd | looks like it does |
| 11:30.04 | sbsd | haven't had any problems yet |
| 11:30.30 | Arafangion | What about with hibernation? |
| 11:30.35 | bolt-work | abrotman: i'm just unsure of how to search for what I want. what do you call a file system contained in a file rather than a whole partition? |
| 11:30.45 | abrotman | same thing |
| 11:30.46 | sbsd | i'm assuming my swap is encrypted anyways |
| 11:30.47 | sbsd | hahah |
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| 11:30.54 | Arafangion | bolt-work: What you're looking for is probably going to end up using fuse. |
| 11:30.55 | sbsd | how do i tell? |
| 11:31.03 | Lagbolt | bolt-work, you have lots of options. if you just want to make an encrypted file google "loop mount encrypted file" or "truecrypt" or "cryptsetup" etc |
| 11:31.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:31.27 | abrotman | truecrypt isn't in debian .. and there's no need for it |
| 11:31.45 | sbsd | how do you tell if your swap is encrypted? |
| 11:31.46 | Lagbolt | abrotman, was just listing a few extra options. . . some people seem to like it lol |
| 11:31.52 | bolt-work | ah. thanks people. /me starts bothering google |
| 11:31.52 | nocturn | truecrypt is not free software :-( |
| 11:31.54 | abrotman | lololololofunnylololol |
| 11:32.02 | Lagbolt | sbsd, try to find out whats in it :-p |
| 11:32.14 | sbsd | well i'm in |
| 11:32.21 | sbsd | i'm inside the box |
| 11:32.32 | sbsd | INSIDE YOUR HEAD |
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| 11:33.00 | sbsd | Wed Oct 1 04:38:13 PDT 2008 |
| 11:33.05 | sbsd | gettin kinda loopy now |
| 11:33.19 | abrotman | sbsd: then go to bed .. |
| 11:34.05 | sbsd | nah |
| 11:34.16 | sbsd | i need to get inside my swap |
| 11:34.23 | sbsd | lemme in |
| 11:34.32 | Lagbolt | bolt-work, you could use encfs as well http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/04/62-how-to-use-encrypted-directories-with-encfs-and-fuse |
| 11:34.32 | Arafangion | abrotman: 'tis is a sad day indeed. |
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| 11:35.01 | vaq | why can i not delete this dir: d--------- 1 0 0 0 Oct 1 2008 skive - I am root? |
| 11:35.07 | sbsd | it looks like / /home /tmp /usr and /var are encrypted |
| 11:35.22 | abrotman | vaq: what's the error |
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| 11:35.35 | vaq | abrotman: Operation not permitted |
| 11:35.43 | sbsd | rm -- d--* |
| 11:35.54 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:36.05 | abrotman | vaq: can you chmod the dir? |
| 11:36.17 | sbsd | ohh |
| 11:36.17 | vaq | abrotman: same error |
| 11:36.22 | vaq | sbsd: huh? |
| 11:36.23 | abrotman | vaq: lsattr |
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| 11:36.25 | sbsd | i thought it was a file called d----- |
| 11:36.28 | sbsd | hahah |
| 11:36.29 | abrotman | vaq: ignore sbsd |
| 11:36.33 | sbsd | sorry |
| 11:36.34 | [ShapeShifter] | chmod 700 and then rm -r ... |
| 11:36.43 | vaq | [ShapeShifter]: i cannot chmod |
| 11:36.44 | abrotman | vaq: lsattr |
| 11:36.45 | sbsd | i can barely see my screen |
| 11:36.52 | abrotman | sbsd: stop being annoying |
| 11:37.04 | sbsd | i'm annoying you? |
| 11:37.07 | [ShapeShifter] | maybe using another shell like sh... dunno... |
| 11:37.07 | abrotman | everyone |
| 11:37.08 | vaq | abrotman: lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on /skive |
| 11:37.16 | sbsd | ahh i see |
| 11:37.22 | abrotman | vaq: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 11:37.29 | abrotman | vaq: sounds like the FS is hosed |
| 11:37.30 | sbsd | well you best get to regulating |
| 11:37.36 | vaq | abrotman: this is a ftp directory mounted with curlftpfs |
| 11:37.39 | sbsd | for the sake of the channel! |
| 11:37.50 | vaq | abrotman: however if i create a new dir i can delete it |
| 11:37.51 | sbsd | brb |
| 11:37.52 | abrotman | !tell sbsd about enter |
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| 11:38.02 | sbsd | brb |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | !tell sbsd about ot |
| 11:38.24 | sbsd | i'm so on topic |
| 11:38.29 | abrotman | no .. you're not |
| 11:38.32 | sbsd | i'm talking about debian |
| 11:38.41 | sbsd | i love debian |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | shut up |
| 11:38.47 | vaq | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 11:39.09 | abrotman | vaq: if you create a new directory, can you lsattr on it ? |
| 11:39.21 | vaq | yes |
| 11:39.42 | abrotman | still sounds like the filesystem is corrupted |
| 11:39.47 | abrotman | (or hardware issues) |
| 11:40.01 | abrotman | can you restart the remote machine? |
| 11:40.05 | vaq | no |
| 11:40.11 | abrotman | not at all? |
| 11:40.17 | vaq | no :/ |
| 11:40.29 | JyZyXEL | !boobies |
| 11:40.29 | dpkg | (.)(.)^(.)(.) |
| 11:40.30 | Arafangion | umount then mount should be sufficient. |
| 11:40.31 | Lagbolt | vaq, is it on root filesystem? can you unmount and fsck it? |
| 11:40.50 | vaq | Lagbolt: it is a ftpmount via curlftpfs |
| 11:40.58 | abrotman | if he can't reboot .. i'd guess he can't umount either |
| 11:41.06 | Lagbolt | abrotman, true |
| 11:41.06 | vaq | I can umount the dir |
| 11:41.18 | abrotman | no .. can you umount it on the server |
| 11:42.09 | JyZyXEL | !vagina |
| 11:42.09 | dpkg | from memory, vagina is the canal which leads from the uterus to the external orifice if the genital canal, or to major depression if you arent getting any. |
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| 11:42.47 | sbsd | regulate! |
| 11:42.49 | Arafangion | blinks. |
| 11:43.10 | sbsd | !regulate |
| 11:43.22 | sbsd | what is that only for vagina? |
| 11:43.34 | zined | dpkg got dirty? :) |
| 11:43.34 | dpkg | zined: no idea |
| 11:43.40 | sbsd | hahah |
| 11:43.57 | zined | yay, play the innocent :) |
| 11:44.09 | zined | !dpkg |
| 11:44.10 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 11:44.20 | themill | sbsd: please be quiet |
| 11:44.29 | sbsd | yes sir! |
| 11:44.32 | sbsd | !vagina |
| 11:44.32 | dpkg | [vagina] the canal which leads from the uterus to the external orifice if the genital canal, or to major depression if you arent getting any. |
| 11:44.44 | sbsd | plz get me out of here |
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| 11:44.49 | sbsd | kthanx |
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| 11:45.00 | themill | done. kthnxbye |
| 11:45.04 | themill | thanks, abrotman |
| 11:45.19 | boguh_ | is it possible to fetch complete directories with wget from an ftp server? |
| 11:45.28 | zined | boguh_: check -r |
| 11:46.14 | boguh_ | zined thx a lot, should have known that :( |
| 11:46.40 | zined | boguh_: `man wget` reveals a lot of options for recursive fetching... |
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| 11:47.20 | vaq | d--------- 1 0 0 0 Oct 1 2008 gst |
| 11:47.23 | vaq | chat chmod number is that? |
| 11:47.25 | vaq | what* |
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| 11:47.30 | zined | 07000? |
| 11:47.37 | zined | 0700 |
| 11:47.48 | vaq | no |
| 11:47.53 | zined | arggh |
| 11:47.55 | zined | 000 :) |
| 11:48.07 | vaq | what? |
| 11:48.10 | vaq | 07000 ? |
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| 11:48.23 | streuner | it doesnt have any permissions at all... |
| 11:48.23 | zined | vaq: sorry, it's '000' |
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| 12:09.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:09.56 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
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| 12:10.56 | abrotman | probably should be a flw :) |
| 12:11.39 | jelly | "Stuck in the Man: a Lifetime Spent in Government Service" |
| 12:12.12 | Arafangion | jelly: Aren't all people within a country effectively working in government service? |
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| 12:12.34 | Arafangion | jelly: The economy has to keep on going. |
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| 12:12.37 | petemc | certainly not |
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| 12:13.13 | jelly | Arafangion: they are not doing their tax evasion properly, then |
| 12:13.51 | Arafangion | jelly: A minor detail. ;) |
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| 12:14.26 | Arafangion | Which reminds me... why should government employees have to pay tax... Why not just take it out of the pay and be done with it. |
| 12:14.58 | kottlett | hi! I mounted a samba share, the file system rights seem to be correct on client and server. however, when I touch a file, touch says "touch: setting times of `/mnt/pubweb-htdocs/x': No such file or directory" - but the file was created anyways! opening and writing the file with vi, works, piping something to the file with > doesn (no such file or directory)! I'm totally confused now... any idea? |
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| 12:15.55 | Arafangion | kottlett: Law of leaky abstractions. I don't think windows has a concept of atime. |
| 12:16.19 | kottlett | Arafangion: well, the host runs debian as well :> |
| 12:16.35 | Arafangion | kottlett: Curious, you should be using unix-extensions by default, then. |
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| 12:17.13 | Arafangion | kottlett: What are the filesystem rights for the parent directory? |
| 12:18.15 | kottlett | Arafangion: no unixextensions here - the host is configured to set the owner / group to some user / group from LDAP, but the client is not attached to the ldap. directory rights: 4 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 10. Sep 11:17 /mnt/ |
| 12:18.58 | Arafangion | kottlett: That means only root can modify /mnt/* |
| 12:19.11 | Arafangion | kottlett: In terms of atime and things like that. |
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| 12:20.22 | Arafangion | kottlett: What are the perms to /mnt/pubweb-htdocs, though? |
| 12:20.23 | kottlett | Arafangion: ah, sorry. the directory where the samba file system is mounted into has: 0 drwxrwxr-x 4 mylocaluser mylocalgroup 0 1. Okt 14:12 /mnt/pubweb-htdocs/ |
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| 12:22.21 | Arafangion | kottlett: Curious. I'm sorry it's past my bedtime. :( THere's a #samba here, and the mailing list is quite good if you provide sufficient info. |
| 12:22.42 | kottlett | Arafangion: thx... sleep well then ^_^ |
| 12:22.43 | joltcan | kottlett: Could it be some error on the remote side? Like permission there? |
| 12:23.31 | kottlett | joltcan: serverside, the permissions are drwxrwxr-x 4 www-data myldapgroup 4096 2008-10-01 14:12 /home/htdocs/ |
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| 12:25.53 | kottlett | note, that this worked before dist-upgrading the client from etch to lenny :-/ |
| 12:26.03 | Lagbolt | still having issues with resume from hibernate using 26 kern vs 24 kern. have disabled X and hibernated from terminal removing all net/wlan/nvidia modules. still hangs on resume. anyway to see a long on resume? or any suggestions? |
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| 12:28.22 | Lagbolts | arg, missed that if anyone replied |
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| 12:35.09 | concernedcitizen | hi guys, i'm trying to install jre on debian using apt-get, but i can't to find it anywhere |
| 12:35.17 | concernedcitizen | what package should I be apt-getting? |
| 12:35.27 | themill | dpkg: tell concernedcitizen about install java |
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| 12:39.24 | concernedcitizen | hmmmmmmm |
| 12:39.28 | concernedcitizen | it cut off halfway |
| 12:40.23 | concernedcitizen | dpkg: tell me about bpo |
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| 12:47.11 | abrotman | !tell concernedcitizen about non-free |
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| 12:48.29 | sleon | !tell sleon about non-free |
| 12:48.46 | liable | !tell sleon about selftell |
| 12:49.22 | sleon | liable: k |
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| 12:49.43 | liable | sleon: meant to be informative, not nasty ;) |
| 12:50.09 | sleon | liable: i love #debian |
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| 12:52.18 | themill | dondelelcaro: When dpkg adds "themill wants you to know" and "hmmm methinks" etc, it hits the irc line limit and either splits it between lines (losing a few characters) or just truncates the output. Can this be added to your todo list for when you're next tinkering under the hood? |
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| 12:53.04 | telmich | hello |
| 12:53.20 | telmich | how can I get a list of packages that I installed manually? |
| 12:53.40 | telmich | I heard that aptitude and newer apt records that |
| 12:54.15 | debianLIVE | Please! There is any especifc room for grub help or i should try it here? |
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| 12:57.10 | abrotman | themill: change the factoid to be a <reply> IIRC |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | debianLIVE: #grub |
| 12:57.24 | liable | telmich: you cant, dpkg -l or even the log will just say that they were installed. |
| 12:57.33 | iwkse | hi all, using debian sid, anyone got the problem of not refreshed windows content? eg. terminals |
| 12:58.05 | liable | terminals? |
| 12:58.24 | iwkse | liable: X terminals, yes |
| 12:58.56 | liable | i am confused. why do terms need refreshing? |
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| 12:59.13 | iwkse | liable: actually if i resize any X terms the content is not refreshed, but cutted |
| 12:59.28 | liable | oh |
| 12:59.39 | iwkse | looks to me a xorg bug |
| 12:59.52 | iwkse | it doesn't matter which terms i use or wm |
| 13:00.02 | nvz | sure, blame it on xorg, I always do.. |
| 13:00.10 | iwkse | nvz: :) |
| 13:00.18 | nvz | in fact.. blame it on a specific developer.. |
| 13:00.29 | nvz | perhaps one that has nothing to do with that particular area |
| 13:00.30 | iwkse | nvz: oh..which one? |
| 13:00.34 | debianLIVE | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 13:00.42 | nvz | its all gravity's fault.. he's the closest.. |
| 13:00.53 | nvz | no wait.. he's not here right now |
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| 13:01.04 | nvz | but if he was, it'd definately be his fault |
| 13:01.12 | iwkse | nvz: :) |
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| 13:04.29 | iwkse | nvz: probably another bug related to this is with Un/Decorate |
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| 13:04.49 | iwkse | nvz: with openbox this action works only after you move the window |
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| 13:04.54 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:04.57 | iwkse | nvz: and it's not openbox fault |
| 13:05.13 | le-bemawi | hi, i m search to link ONE keyboard with ONE application and my other keyboard use normall. So when someone use the ONE keybord, this write in the application, and, i can use my second keybord "without" any probleme in the same time (sorry i'm not english user :( ) |
| 13:05.21 | le-bemawi | I wonder if there is no way to attach a keyboard to a specific application, and that may be, anything typed at the keyboard is for this appplication. While keeping my primary keyboard and mouse for everything else:). Attention, the two can work together (bot translation) |
| 13:05.25 | nvz | never is, it looks so innocent.. its an open box.. couldn't possibly be causing any problems |
| 13:05.31 | J_P | I have this error in dmesg : [43006979.220000] hda: tray open => [43006979.220000] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 44. This is a HD problem ? |
| 13:05.44 | amphi | J_P: looks like it |
| 13:06.06 | amphi | J_P: you could run smatrctl on the drive, but I'd back up soon in any case |
| 13:06.44 | amphi | wait - tray open? is this an optical drive? |
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| 13:07.48 | J_P | amphi: is strage.. I don't have a HDA drive . fdisk -l show my ony sda and sdb |
| 13:08.14 | wols_ | JPT: you have a optical drive |
| 13:08.19 | wols_ | harddisks don't have trays |
| 13:08.50 | le-bemawi | ask himself if someone understand that he says >< |
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| 13:09.40 | J_P | amphi: look please: http://pastebin.com/m35e5843e |
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| 13:14.03 | dudeman | good morning |
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| 13:14.11 | J_P | amphi: apt-cache search smatrctl not find it.. what package has it ? |
| 13:14.11 | dudeman | Happy Eid everyone! |
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| 13:14.26 | J_P | dudeman: hello! |
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| 13:14.36 | liable | smartmon-tools iirc |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | it's spelled smart .. not smatr |
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| 13:15.02 | neur0x | holas |
| 13:16.45 | liable | ehlo |
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| 13:18.06 | Cope57 | I am sure I could possibly find some wireless help in here. I am not new to Debian, but I am new to attempting to set up a wpa wireless connection on a Debian laptop. Point me to some links and what not, it would be appreciated. |
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| 13:19.01 | wols_ | Cope57: how far along are you? wlan working without encryption? |
| 13:19.04 | vadmeste | Hello everybody !! Anyone got a problem ? |
| 13:19.31 | wols_ | vadmeste: yes. I miss my pony |
| 13:19.46 | liable | Cope57: the wpasupplicant docs in /usr/share/doc are quite good |
| 13:20.03 | Cope57 | I have not tried to change it. Maybe I should test it unencrypted 1st. |
| 13:20.10 | J_P | abrotman: ok.. |
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| 13:21.47 | amphi | J_P: yeah, smartmontools |
| 13:22.36 | abrotman | yeah .. but if you spell it right `apt-cache smartctl` returns smartmontools |
| 13:22.41 | abrotman | apt-cache search smartctl |
| 13:22.49 | J_P | abrotman: amphi: yes |
| 13:23.11 | extor | Are there any plans to enable selinux extensions by default in the next lenny release, like fedora has done already? |
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| 13:28.30 | J_P | abrotman: is possible to use smartctl with server running ? |
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| 13:29.06 | J_P | abrotman: could you see this : http://pastebin.com/m35e5843e |
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| 13:32.10 | g0rd0n | what command=" parameter shold i set in .ssh/authorized_keys if i want to allow a specific scp transfer? |
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| 13:33.43 | Vi^3PP | i have got a bcm4311 wifi and the most current kernel and b43-fwcutter in my lenny install.. my wifi detects wifi's around me but wont connect anyone any ideas how i can get wifi to connect |
| 13:35.00 | shadfc | why would i be getting a no space left on device error when downloading a 1.3MB file to /home? df shows 651MB free on that partition (90% used). No quota tools are installed |
| 13:35.25 | et | reserved blocks? |
| 13:36.03 | shadfc | can you even set it to 10%? |
| 13:36.07 | shadfc | lemme check |
| 13:36.48 | bolt-work | i think you can set it to whatever you want |
| 13:36.52 | bolt-work | 5% default? |
| 13:37.52 | liable | yep |
| 13:38.22 | shadfc | hmm, HOW do i check that? =D |
| 13:38.33 | liable | tune2fs probably |
| 13:38.40 | shadfc | i see set options with tune2fs |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | J_P: i'd say that doesn't loook good |
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| 13:39.20 | abrotman | dumpe2fs or something like that |
| 13:40.07 | liable | tune2fs -l |
| 13:40.25 | liable | doesnt give percentage though |
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| 13:41.26 | shadfc | yeah, seeing that |
| 13:41.28 | J_P | abrotman: the strange is that in dmesg show hda, but fdisk -l (like as page I paste for you) don't show any hda, only sda and sdb |
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| 13:42.43 | shubuntu | hi, i'm writing a cross platform game, I need help on references for how to use a manager to manage level / machine based assets that are derived from generic game assets. What should i be looking for? I understand some buildfile / metadata, or maybe packaging? |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | shubuntu: this is a debian question how? |
| 13:44.32 | shubuntu | debian does the same thing with deb packages and files |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | so what? |
| 13:44.46 | shubuntu | but don't know what part of the system does that |
| 13:44.58 | shubuntu | i just need to learn the methodology |
| 13:44.59 | abrotman | that's a programming question |
| 13:45.05 | shubuntu | but don't know what to search for exactly |
| 13:45.21 | abrotman | ask a programming channel .. not us |
| 13:45.22 | wols_ | I can tell you, you won't find it here |
| 13:45.33 | shubuntu | okies |
| 13:45.35 | abrotman | dumpe2fs doesn't show percentage either. . just count |
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| 13:46.06 | abrotman | or rephrase your question so it relates to debian |
| 13:49.40 | liable | i have something stuck inside my lcd |
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| 13:50.24 | amphi | liable: a pixel, or a foreign object? |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | liable: sheep? |
| 13:50.34 | liable | foreign object |
| 13:50.48 | liable | abrotman: your too predictable.. |
| 13:51.00 | abrotman | mini-sheep? :) |
| 13:51.11 | liable | !lart abrotman |
| 13:51.11 | dpkg | whacks abrotman with a giant beaver's tail |
| 13:51.20 | amphi | heh; I have a tiny bug in mine, that somehow crawled between the light and the lcd panel |
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| 13:51.51 | liable | yeah, not sure what it is, about a 1.5mm long |
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| 13:53.10 | amphi | sounds similar; at first I thought 3 or 4 pixels had died, but then it moved ;) |
| 13:53.43 | amphi | it has now died, so I await its disintegration |
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| 13:53.54 | liable | heh |
| 13:54.48 | amphi | its edges appear to be antialiased, which confused me at first |
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| 13:54.58 | liable | it kinda looks 3d :) |
| 13:55.47 | amphi | heh |
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| 13:56.25 | fluxdude | it's been ages since I've been granting x access to send back an app to my desktop, I thought xauth +hostname used to work but it seems no longer... anyone care to refresh my rusty memory? |
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| 13:58.18 | Ikarus | fluxdude: you probably have -nolisten tcp in the X server startup |
| 13:59.05 | stew | fluxdude: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 14:00.19 | J_P | amphi: I try many options in smartctl, why exacty argument is neeed to know if disk is ok ? |
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| 14:01.17 | amphi | J_P: I'd run the long test |
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| 14:02.48 | J_P | amphi: smartctl --test=long /dev/sda ? Can I run this with server running ? |
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| 14:03.48 | liable | hard to run it while its off :) |
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| 14:04.23 | amphi | heh |
| 14:04.31 | amphi | J_P: yes, that's fine |
| 14:04.39 | liable | J_P: doesn't the man page saywhether you can do so? |
| 14:04.48 | amphi | it does indeed |
| 14:04.58 | J_P | liable: not say this in man smartctl |
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| 14:06.37 | themill | abrotman: <reply> helps, but the "themill wants you to know" bit is still a problem. |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | i know |
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| 14:06.48 | td123 | anyone heard when the next release is going to happen? |
| 14:07.01 | themill | !siyh |
| 14:07.01 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 14:07.02 | stew | td123: when there are no more release critical bugs: /msg dpkg lenny status |
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| 14:07.43 | amphi | J_P: "smartctl -t long /dev/hdc Begin an extended self-test of drive /dev/hdc. You can issue this command on a running system." - from the EXAMPLES section |
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| 14:08.03 | td123 | stew: wow, that's a lot.. : |
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| 14:08.26 | td123 | stew: its the price you got to pay for stability though |
| 14:08.30 | td123 | ty |
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| 14:09.13 | fluxdude | Ikarus: no I removed that, it is listening on port 6000 now as expected, I just can't remember how to do the xauth access control... |
| 14:09.30 | Ikarus | xhost +hostname works fine here |
| 14:09.52 | stew | don't use xhost, /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 14:09.54 | J_P | amphi: sorry, I see on the top only |
| 14:10.30 | stew | err "/msg dpkg tell me about mit-magic-cookie" so that it doesn't get truncated |
| 14:11.15 | themill | heh |
| 14:12.47 | abrotman | themill: it does make it a bit better though |
| 14:12.49 | fluxdude | Ikarus: ah, I forgot and was using the wrong command, xauth instead of xhost +hostname |
| 14:12.58 | fluxdude | stew: thanks for that note, you are right of course |
| 14:13.25 | J_P | amphi: please.. see this about long test: http://pastebin.com/m219a4281 Nothing show after "Estimated completion time:" |
| 14:13.28 | themill | abrotman: yes. <install java> and <mit magic cookie> are still problematic |
| 14:13.34 | themill | (amongst many others) |
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| 14:14.35 | abrotman | rewrite time! |
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| 14:15.49 | olsen | hi all. what is the tool called, that dumps all keyboard and mouse events to console? |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | xev ? |
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| 14:16.17 | amphi | J_P: you have to wait for the test to complete - please read the documentation |
| 14:16.20 | olsen | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 14:16.39 | J_P | amphi: I wait.. look the time date.. |
| 14:17.00 | J_P | 0 minutes to finish |
| 14:17.25 | amphi | if it's finished, read the results |
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| 14:21.58 | dudeman | pin |
| 14:22.51 | dudeman | I wonder why -broadcast isn't finding my XDMCP desktop whereas I can connect to it if I specify the host... |
| 14:22.58 | fluxdude | hmmm. I did an xauth export to file, scped the file, then an xauth merge < filename which worked but I am still unable to send a gui program back to my workstation |
| 14:23.23 | fluxdude | I get "X: client 16 rejected from IP..." in the log |
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| 14:23.45 | fluxdude | perhaps I need xhost +hostname as well? but I think this is enough, so why bother with the xauth mit magic cookie then? |
| 14:23.50 | J_P | amphi: sorry, but how I read the results, if in the terminal not show notthin and in local dir not save any log ? I see somes examples, and mostly has a large time estimated.. And for me has 0 minutes.. |
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| 14:27.16 | J_P | amphi: wow, not I think works.. I add '-d ata' and show Please wait 111 minutes for test to complete :-) |
| 14:27.30 | J_P | smartctl --test=long -d ata /dev/sdb |
| 14:27.34 | J_P | amphi: thanks |
| 14:28.14 | stew | fluxdude: the reason you would is that now anyone on +hostname is able to watch every keystroke you make |
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| 14:30.31 | abrotman | hey i know .. tell him about the mit-magic-cookie again :) |
| 14:33.01 | dtcrshr | hi folks, i got some issues regarding cron. I used the gnome-scheduler, managed the crontab by hand, but neither way it worked. where can i find cron logs? |
| 14:33.40 | rvsjoen | in /var/log |
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| 14:33.46 | petemc | syslog |
| 14:34.29 | dtcrshr | hm. it starts from 7am today |
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| 14:34.36 | dtcrshr | the onder logs are theese sislog.0? |
| 14:34.49 | petemc | correct |
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| 14:35.02 | abrotman | nice translation! |
| 14:35.25 | dtcrshr | you see? |
| 14:35.33 | dtcrshr | everyday i learn more englix |
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| 14:36.47 | MrWax | Where can I see at what date a package is installed? |
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| 14:39.14 | chomwitt | In apt-get man pages is stated that : /var/lib/apt/lists is storage area for state information for each package resource. what does this mean? |
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| 14:41.38 | stew | chomwitt: its where the data downloaded by "apt-get update" goes |
| 14:41.56 | stew | chomwitt: what is available from stuff in sources.list |
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| 14:43.03 | chomwitt | stew: so can i simple think it as a local cache of some debian repository's files? |
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| 14:44.30 | stew | chomwitt: yes, a local cache of the package indices |
| 14:45.41 | chomwitt | stew: thanks. the man page's definition isnt very clear i think. |
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| 14:49.05 | knoxy | when I try to install Debian, my installation is stopped because the cdrom driver is not found... how can I do to skip it? I have a SATA cdrom drive. |
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| 14:50.56 | balzac5000 | Gang - I have the index file of our web page set up so that a script can modify it AND the file's owner "jpayne" http://pastebin.ca/1215825 |
| 14:51.26 | balzac5000 | The script is able to do its work but my user is unable to modify or delete the file - even chmod 774 yields the same results |
| 14:51.36 | balzac5000 | I'm perplexed by this - any hints? |
| 14:51.55 | balzac5000 | jpayne *is* a member of the group www-data |
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| 14:55.47 | abrotman | stew: via slashdot .. gimp now has non-destructive editing! :) |
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| 14:56.36 | stew | abrotman: its inadequate |
| 14:56.41 | lera_zed | ehm does python-psycopg2 works for someone in lenny ? i am getting constant exception, while trying 'import psycopg2' |
| 14:56.52 | stew | lera_zed: works for me |
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| 14:57.18 | stew | judd: versions python-psycopg2 |
| 14:57.19 | judd | stew: python-psycopg2: 2.0.5.1-6 (etch) 2.0.7-4 (lenny) 2.0.7-4 (sid) |
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| 14:57.30 | stew | lera_zed: judd used python-psycopg2 to do the above query :) |
| 14:58.12 | Vi^3PP | anyone know why with .25 kernel, current b43-fwcutter, 4311 wifi.. i can get it to iwlist and ifconfig but it wont connect or ifup |
| 14:58.44 | lera_zed | stew: hm, any clues what could be wrong in my case ? i mean i've done simple apt-get install python-psycopg2 |
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| 14:59.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:59.38 | stew | lera_zed: show us the exception: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:59.43 | liable | Vi^3PP: ifup depends on you having it configured in interfaces. use ifconfig up |
| 15:00.01 | Vi^3PP | well my wlan is configured in interfaces |
| 15:00.10 | Vi^3PP | but it still wont ifup |
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| 15:00.26 | liable | what does it say? |
| 15:00.31 | Vi^3PP | nothing |
| 15:00.37 | Vi^3PP | just goes back to prompt on ifup |
| 15:00.51 | liable | what about dmesg? |
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| 15:01.19 | Vi^3PP | dmesg finds my card so the hardware is reconginized but wont set the link |
| 15:01.48 | amphi | Vi^3PP: did you try manually with iwconfig and whatever else you use? |
| 15:02.14 | liable | Vi^3PP: does iwconfig show it as associated? |
| 15:02.23 | lera_zed | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1215834 |
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| 15:03.08 | Vi^3PP | iwconfig shows my wlan and the router its trying to attach too but there is no Tx Rx.. both are at 0 |
| 15:03.58 | liable | Vi^3PP: run iwevent in another term and see what it says |
| 15:04.31 | stew | lera_zed: what version of python-egenix-mxdatetime do you have installed? |
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| 15:04.58 | lera_zed | stew: 3.1.0-1 |
| 15:05.24 | stew | judd: versions python-egenix-mxdatetime |
| 15:05.25 | judd | stew: python-egenix-mxdatetime: 2.0.6-4 (etch) 3.1.0-1 (lenny) 3.1.0-1 (sid) |
| 15:06.08 | Vi^3PP | liable, it just idles at waiting for wireless events |
| 15:06.32 | liable | Vi^3PP: ifup it again |
| 15:06.54 | Vi^3PP | says it already configured |
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| 15:07.07 | liable | ifdown first.. |
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| 15:07.22 | phoster | how can i setup this: |
| 15:07.25 | phoster | Make sure DNS entries are resolved as follows: |
| 15:07.25 | phoster | <external_host_name> -> <external_host_ip> (outside of the router - WAN) |
| 15:07.25 | phoster | <external_host_name> -> <internal_host_ip> (inside of the router - LAN) |
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| 15:07.43 | Vi^3PP | liable, nothing just goes back to prompt |
| 15:07.57 | liable | Vi^3PP: yes, whats iwevent say? |
| 15:08.07 | phoster | seems to be in a file called hosts |
| 15:08.08 | liable | you didnt kill it to do ifup did you? |
| 15:08.30 | Vi^3PP | liable, nothing just says its waiting for wireless events |
| 15:08.36 | lera_zed | stew: damned, i've just removed it with --purge and installed again, now it works, some time ago i've installed psycopg2 and egenix-mxdatetime using easyinstall, then moved to the lenny packages - i suppose some wrong *.pyc files were still in the way |
| 15:08.52 | liable | Vi^3PP: was it still running whilst you did ifup? |
| 15:09.03 | Vi^3PP | no i didnt try that |
| 15:09.05 | Vi^3PP | let me try |
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| 15:12.08 | Vi^3PP | liable, http://rafb.net/p/bBqIwE31.html |
| 15:12.24 | Vi^3PP | that is a tail to dmesg and ifup with iwevent running |
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| 15:14.47 | roe_ | I have two lenny servers, one is running cups server and the other is a client of that cups server, I can't seem to print from the client. For example, the iceweasel print dialog give me the printer as an option, but the print button is greyed out |
| 15:14.49 | roe_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1215846 |
| 15:14.54 | roe_ | is my cups server config |
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| 15:16.06 | andyhalsall | Is there an appropriate channel for debian on sparc? |
| 15:16.27 | wols_ | !sparc |
| 15:16.27 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 15:16.55 | andyhalsall | ta |
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| 15:22.51 | liable | Vi^3PP: hmm, code 12 isnt very informtive, its reserved. not sure what is the problem |
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| 15:23.38 | Vi^3PP | there seems to be some ... will not mention distro name... errs that say ppl cant connect to open lines but can to wep so im trying that liable |
| 15:23.47 | liable | Vi^3PP: ifdown the iface, then set it up with ifconfig, then set the essid manually with iwconfig |
| 15:26.39 | ezguy | any recommendation for good graphical ftp client? |
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| 15:26.44 | dudeman | gftp |
| 15:26.56 | dudeman | ezguy, I use FireFTP in IW |
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| 15:27.32 | felix-da-catz | I am trying to run Xvfb and I am getting no screens found. When I try -screen 0 I get Couldn't add screen 0. |
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| 15:29.03 | balzac5000 | Gang - I have the index file of our web page set up so that a script can modify it AND the file's owner "jpayne" http://pastebin.ca/1215825 The script is able to do its work but my user is unable to modify or delete the file - even chmod 774 yields the same results. |
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| 15:29.16 | balzac5000 | I'm perplexed by this - any hints? jpayne *is* a member of the group www-data |
| 15:29.43 | aixenv | i have a 'List1'(which has all the listings and then a 'List2'(which has some listings, i basically want to do List1-List2 = new list.. i tried comm -23 List1 List2 > List3 but i still see things similar that shouldnt be there |
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| 15:30.31 | stew | balzac5000: deleting the file requires permissions on the containing directory, not the file itself |
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| 15:30.54 | stew | balzac5000: you probably, want 664, not 774 (not that 774 is causing your problem) |
| 15:31.11 | stew | balzac5000: how are you trying to modify the file, what error do you get? |
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| 15:34.56 | balzac5000 | stew: I appreciate your help! |
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| 15:35.21 | balzac5000 | stew: Yeah, 664 is what I'd *prefer* |
| 15:36.19 | balzac5000 | stew: When I su to that user and pull the file up in vi and save it - no error. If, however, I try to delete it as that use I get "permission denied" and that's what the user gets via SFTP when she tries to modify it |
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| 15:36.41 | stew | < stew> balzac5000: deleting the file requires permissions on the containing directory, not the file itself |
| 15:36.49 | balzac5000 | stew: the "www" directory has these permissions drwxr-xr-x |
| 15:37.01 | stew | balzac5000: and who is the owner? |
| 15:37.07 | balzac5000 | Curious. |
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| 15:37.09 | balzac5000 | www |
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| 15:37.20 | wp | hi |
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| 15:37.21 | balzac5000 | sorry, group web - and that sounds like the issue |
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| 15:37.56 | balzac5000 | Let me change that to www-data and see if that makes a difference |
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| 15:38.15 | balzac5000 | Nope |
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| 15:38.39 | balzac5000 | So "www" is chowned to root.www-data |
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| 15:39.33 | stew | balzac5000: so now only root is allowed to create/delete files in www |
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| 15:39.58 | waraxtle | hi everyone |
| 15:39.59 | balzac5000 | Holy moly. Well no wonder then. |
| 15:40.09 | balzac5000 | big ol' DOH! |
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| 15:41.19 | balzac5000 | stew: Been doing this since '96 and permissions *still* wreak havoc with my brain. Thanks MUCHO |
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| 15:42.36 | Zambezi | Isn't there smoother way to install Truecrypt (4.2 preferably)? It's not in the repos. |
| 15:42.46 | pleed_ | How can i tell mkinitramfs to integrate a package into the ramfs? |
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| 15:43.21 | stew | pleed_: what do you mean by package? do you actually mean a debian package? or do you perhaps mean a kernel module? |
| 15:43.27 | wols_ | !truecrypt |
| 15:43.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 15:43.44 | pleed_ | stew: i need dropbear in my initramfs to remotely enter the crypto key |
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| 15:45.43 | dsl4351 | hi some plip ...pls?help |
| 15:45.54 | Supaplex | !tell dsl4351 -about ask |
| 15:46.08 | Zambezi | wols_: I have both. LUKS is far better when it's working, but I need to access the drives. And I'm not in the mood now to compile. |
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| 15:48.39 | elux | im running into an issue where i cannot for the life of me remove nginx using apt-get or dpkg |
| 15:48.46 | elux | i have pasted the full log here, http://pastebin.com/m98da2e |
| 15:48.47 | pikudo | hi ... some plip config help , pls? |
| 15:49.13 | bob__ | hello... i am running lenny on a few machines.... on one, when i run apt-get... i see a bunch of extra newline chars are sent to the terminal... and is scrolls down... as a result, I get a lot of blank lines between 2-3 lines of text... anyone have a similar problem? |
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| 15:54.47 | bob__ | i found a bug report for ubuntu, but not debian |
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| 15:54.59 | wols_ | elux: is nginx running? if not run it |
| 15:55.52 | liable | bob__: havent seen it myself, file a bug i guess, pointing to the ubuntu one if its the same behaviour |
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| 15:56.20 | elux | wols_: tried that. same problem. |
| 15:56.45 | elux | cant i pass some force flag? |
| 15:56.48 | elux | this is brutal |
| 15:57.36 | liable | make it exit 0 in the stop section if the init script? |
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| 15:58.50 | elux | liable: that worked. |
| 15:58.51 | elux | thanks. |
| 15:59.01 | liable | yw |
| 15:59.25 | liable | elux: should file a bug though |
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| 16:01.32 | bob__ | liable, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/218516 ... this report mentions that it is upstream (I am guessing kernel, not debian)... i am running 2.6.24... same issue |
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| 16:05.38 | elux | liable: got a link? |
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| 16:06.00 | liable | elux: just run reportbug |
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| 16:12.41 | ezguy | dudeman: what is the package name for fireftp? |
| 16:13.04 | ezguy | IW? |
| 16:13.51 | ezguy | i see firefox plugin |
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| 16:18.36 | smacnay | Can anyone recommend a good photo management package for gnome? |
| 16:18.57 | chrivers | So, I'm trying to make NFSd work behind a firewall. I've followed http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS |
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| 16:19.13 | chrivers | however, I still get requests like the above, curiously coming _from_ port 2049, instead of to it |
| 16:19.26 | chrivers | The firewall log line is from the client machine. |
| 16:19.34 | chrivers | Any suggestions? |
| 16:19.39 | chrivers | smacnay: f-spot? |
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| 16:20.10 | Arrick | hey all, whats a good US based mirror thats not running at 30kbps? |
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| 16:20.28 | Arrick | im doing a netinstall and I want a pretty decent mirror for it |
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| 16:21.46 | felix-da-catz | What repo do I need to add for Sun Java? |
| 16:22.07 | wols_ | !tell felix-da-catz about install java |
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| 16:24.50 | dryrot | Arrick: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 16:28.15 | lera_zed | does debian has this module http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html ? |
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| 16:30.00 | Eulex | lera_zed, yes. |
| 16:30.04 | Eulex | !tell lera_zed about search |
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| 16:30.49 | felix-da-catz | Thanks wols_ |
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| 16:36.13 | elux | how come debian has /etc/rc0.d, /etc/rc1.d, etc. |
| 16:36.24 | elux | for example, the file K20haproxy shows up in each one of them? |
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| 16:36.39 | nvz | elux: different runlevels |
| 16:37.06 | nvz | elux: 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2-5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot |
| 16:37.18 | elux | gotcha |
| 16:37.41 | nvz | elux: by default debian loads to runlevel 2 and all levels 2-5 are configured the same |
| 16:38.00 | nvz | elux: most other distros boot to 5 and have seperate purposes for 2-4 |
| 16:38.16 | nvz | elux: debian leaves that configuration up to your discression |
| 16:38.17 | elux | nvz: i just added a customer init.d script for mongrel_cluster, do i need to make an entry in /etc/default so it loads on start? or is running update-rc.d -f mongrel_cluster defaults enough? |
| 16:38.45 | wols_ | elux: it has to be in /etc/rc*.d beginning with S |
| 16:38.47 | wols_ | that's all |
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| 16:38.55 | nvz | afaik -f is only useful when removing stuff |
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| 16:39.26 | elux | wols_: so if i decide i want something to start on boot, i have to go into each folder and rename it? |
| 16:39.27 | aliases123 | hi there i am using debian. however i generated my otr keys (in this case via pidgin --> libotr) on debian etch. i see that they are dsa keys. do i assume that they might / are comprimised by the debian openssl bug / error / reduced entropy ? |
| 16:39.37 | wols_ | elux: no |
| 16:39.54 | aliases123 | is there any way to testt this ? |
| 16:39.55 | Eulex | aliases123, yes. regenerate. |
| 16:39.56 | wols_ | aliases123: when did you create them? |
| 16:40.11 | aliases123 | well i don't know - is it possible to tell ? |
| 16:40.17 | aliases123 | on debian etch. |
| 16:40.21 | Eulex | file dates? |
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| 16:40.44 | aliases123 | it was before the bug being fixed. - i will add this to the wiki then. perhaps an update should be pushed out ? |
| 16:40.53 | elux | wols_: how can i see a configuration file that shows me what will start on a normal boot? |
| 16:41.04 | wols_ | aliases123: if it was before it was fixed, but after it started, yes, regen |
| 16:41.15 | dudeman | ezguy, there is no package name for FireFTP. It is an XUL application for mozilla firefox. You can get it from addons.mozilla.org |
| 16:41.15 | nvz | elux: the naming conventions are S for start K for kill, the two digit number is a priority setting that controls which are loaded first.. and as I just explained each folder you mentioned corresponds to a specific runlevel |
| 16:41.19 | dudeman | nvz, yo |
| 16:41.23 | wols_ | elux: there is no file |
| 16:41.32 | wols_ | !tell elux about sysvinit |
| 16:41.34 | aliases123 | ok i will email the security team. and the otr guys. |
| 16:41.42 | elux | nvz: this just seems like such a round-about and tedious way to configure what starts |
| 16:42.06 | wols_ | aliases123: why? security team long ago stated that anything ssl (which used libssl) was vulnerable |
| 16:42.09 | nvz | elux: /etc/rcS.d/ is for startup, but unless its a critical service it probably needs to be started in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 16:42.16 | wols_ | elux: no it's no. it's standard sysv |
| 16:42.28 | nvz | elux: then stop using sysv init is all I can say |
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| 16:42.36 | elux | wols_: are there scripts to help assist in manipulating the rc.d directories? |
| 16:42.39 | nvz | dudeman: hello |
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| 16:42.51 | wols_ | elux: yes. update-rc.d, rcconf, etc |
| 16:43.05 | aliases123 | wols_: well an update / general otr key regeneration / id tool would be useful. -- this is for the otr guys yes. however, i will still email them. |
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| 16:43.58 | Arrick | thans dryrot |
| 16:44.14 | PetoKraus | hello. My machine freezes at "Setting the system time". It started after i installed build-essential, and openssh-server and rebooted the thing. |
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| 16:44.24 | J_P | Hey all, I did a test with smartctl --test=long /dev/sda and show this "Please wait 57 minutes for test to complete." I wait two hours, and nothing show, and in local dir save nothing too. What is the problem ? |
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| 16:44.45 | wols_ | PetoKraus: totally freezes? or just hangs for sometime then continues? |
| 16:44.56 | PetoKraus | is 5 minutes long enough? |
| 16:45.02 | wols_ | J_P: it won't show anything ever |
| 16:45.08 | wols_ | PetoKraus: yes |
| 16:45.13 | PetoKraus | then yes. |
| 16:45.28 | wols_ | the culprit is hwclock. try the --directisa parameter maybe PetoKraus |
| 16:45.34 | PetoKraus | i have no problem of reinstalling, though this machine is a bit buggy... so... |
| 16:45.39 | PetoKraus | wols_: in grub? |
| 16:45.41 | wols_ | J_P: look at the -l option |
| 16:45.48 | wols_ | PetoKraus: no. with hwclock |
| 16:45.56 | PetoKraus | wols_: i can't boot in the system, obviously |
| 16:46.07 | PetoKraus | i'll try older kernel |
| 16:46.26 | J_P | wols_: so why say wait 57 minutes? And where are the report ? |
| 16:46.35 | wols_ | J_P: I told you what to look at |
| 16:46.36 | J_P | wols_: ahh -l |
| 16:46.42 | wols_ | and it took 57minutes for the test to run |
| 16:46.46 | liable | J_P: dude, please read the man page, it tells you to run -l selftest in the example for the long test |
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| 16:46.58 | rrththe | hi - i have a knackered disk, and i'm getting "SRST failed" in the dmesg, any ideas? - trying to recover some data from it |
| 16:47.01 | wols_ | liable: manpages are so ugly |
| 16:47.15 | PetoKraus | wols_: yes, it's the kernel. |
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| 16:47.39 | liable | wols_: so are frustrated irc helpers |
| 16:47.50 | PetoKraus | wols_: after rebooting with .18 it works.... |
| 16:47.54 | PetoKraus | maybe a CMOS glitch |
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| 16:48.18 | wols_ | liable: speak for yourself. I won the 2nd place in abeauty contest countless times :P |
| 16:48.35 | wols_ | PetoKraus: and the non working one was which? |
| 16:48.39 | liable | yes, *2nd* |
| 16:48.42 | PetoKraus | wols_: .26 |
| 16:48.51 | PetoKraus | it works now, though... |
| 16:48.55 | wols_ | sure but there are 700+ contestants here asd you can see |
| 16:49.04 | wols_ | -d |
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| 16:49.17 | liable | 650 are idlers |
| 16:49.40 | liable | ie, they dont even have makeup on! |
| 16:50.00 | nvz | huh? |
| 16:50.12 | nvz | we're suppose to be wearing makeup? |
| 16:50.34 | nvz | I'm a tech support volenteer, not your clown |
| 16:50.43 | wols_ | only if you're not pretty enough au naturel |
| 16:50.52 | liable | uh, don't use me as an excuse.. |
| 16:50.58 | wols_ | heck, I'm so pretty I have a 5 day beard and still make 2nd |
| 16:51.10 | nvz | hah, whatever |
| 16:52.12 | nvz | rrththe: we won't make you pay any more for being more specific |
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| 16:53.08 | dudeman | !ot |
| 16:53.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:53.22 | pikudo | hi ... need some plip help |
| 16:53.31 | pikudo | plip parport setup ... as per |
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| 16:53.37 | liable | dudeman: pot .. kettle .. black.. |
| 16:53.42 | pikudo | plip 11448 1rnparport_pc 24840 1rnparport 22496 1 [plip parport_pc] |
| 16:53.49 | dudeman | liable, yeh... fuck em. |
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| 16:54.00 | pikudo | but unable to ping from or to pc |
| 16:54.20 | wols_ | pikudo: is the interface up? has an IP? |
| 16:54.26 | pikudo | yes |
| 16:54.41 | pikudo | sifferent from eth0 ...ok? |
| 16:54.42 | wols_ | pikudo: more info needed |
| 16:54.44 | rrththe | nvz: What would you like to know? |
| 16:54.56 | nvz | rrththe: SRST failure means the drive failed a soft reset, and in and of itself gives no clues as to what type of disk, controller, fs, or issue you are having |
| 16:55.15 | nvz | something would have had to have caused it to think it needed to soft reset to begin with |
| 16:55.17 | pikudo | eth0 192.168.1.4 ... plip0 192.168.2.4 |
| 16:55.27 | wols_ | pikudo: and the netmask? |
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| 16:55.47 | wols_ | and what is the routing table, the remote host, etc |
| 16:56.13 | pikudo | 255.255.255.0 for eth0 and all 255.255.255.255 for plip0 |
| 16:56.47 | nvz | rrththe: relevant information to resolving your issue would be what type of drive it is (specifically.. such as mfg, bus..etc) the fs on it, and also what makes you think there is a problem and/or when/where it is occuring |
| 16:57.30 | nvz | i.e. Internal IDE on a laptop, 60gb ext2, happens during install, boot..etc |
| 16:57.48 | J_P | I have LifeTime(hours) = 481.. |
| 16:58.16 | fluxdude | stew and abrotman: sorry was away earlier... ok fair point about xhost +hostname, but exporting the magic cookie and importing it on the other end and then setting the DISPLAY env var still results in a refusal by my X server of the remote client, why? |
| 16:58.36 | nvz | rrththe: other highly relevant information in all issues especially hardware related is what version of debian and linux kernel you are using |
| 16:58.55 | dudeman | nvz, /msg |
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| 17:00.09 | rrththe | nvz: It's a seagate sata disk - Probably HFS - Debian 4.0 on 2.6.19 kernel - I believe there is a problem because it's not listed in /dev |
| 17:00.15 | Arrick | is there a way to get dvd's or cd's of the latest packages for debian? |
| 17:00.25 | Arrick | or can you just get the OS? |
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| 17:01.43 | nvz | rrththe: you're using HFS for debian? |
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| 17:02.16 | rrththe | nvz: no, trying to recover the data in debian - its from a mac |
| 17:02.33 | nvz | ah. |
| 17:02.56 | bjwebb | is there a way to force the installation of a deb file, even if it contains some files the same as another already installed deb? |
| 17:04.13 | Maulkin | yup. |
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| 17:04.29 | Maulkin | man dpkg |
| 17:04.48 | rrththe | nvz: any ideas? |
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| 17:05.05 | strk | Details: Icon 'gnome-warning.png' not found |
| 17:05.05 | izzyb | which package contains the qemu-img utility? |
| 17:05.20 | Maulkin | !tell izzyb about search |
| 17:05.24 | nvz | rrththe: um.. not really.. maybe post a dmesg.log on rafb.net/paste or something |
| 17:05.25 | stew | bjwebb: in general, if you are getting an error like that, its a bug that should be fixed, or you are mixing two different versions of debian you shouldn't be mixing |
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| 17:05.43 | stew | Maulkin: should packages removed from testing/unstable still be in testing-security? |
| 17:06.09 | stew | Maulkin: we've had a couple of questions recently where someone was getting problems due to some obsolete package in testing-security |
| 17:06.09 | strk | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gnome-warning.png' returned no results. |
| 17:06.14 | bjwebb | stew: yeah, you are right, i was just looking for the easy way out |
| 17:06.44 | Maulkin | stew: hrm. Possibly not if they've been *removed*. |
| 17:07.00 | Maulkin | stew: Though I can't fix that. It'll need an ftp-master. |
| 17:07.17 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.20 | strk | E: Broken packages |
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| 17:07.35 | izzyb | Maulkin, thanks. didn't know some of that :) |
| 17:08.21 | stew | Maulkin: right. there is (semi-?)automatic removal of this kind of stuff for experimental, i wonder if there is a reason that this isn't being done for testing security |
| 17:08.49 | strk | where to report broken packages bugs ? |
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| 17:09.15 | Maulkin | stew: I didn't know there was one for experimental :) |
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| 17:09.45 | hope8282 | salve |
| 17:09.48 | stew | Maulkin: i do recall something coming from ganneff about it |
| 17:09.48 | hope8282 | !list |
| 17:09.48 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to hope8282 |
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| 17:10.53 | strk | !bugs |
| 17:10.55 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 17:11.07 | Maulkin | !bts |
| 17:11.07 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 17:12.12 | dudeman | is still looking for translators for the Debian GNU/Linux project. If you are willing and can translate into Urdu (language of Pakistan) please join #debian-ur |
| 17:12.34 | dudeman | </end spam> |
| 17:12.47 | nvz | slaps dudeman with a mailinglist |
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| 17:13.07 | dudeman | nvz, dude... everyone in Pakistan who uses computers can usually speak very well English |
| 17:13.20 | dudeman | nvz, not very many people who are willing to commit to translating it |
| 17:13.34 | nvz | all the more reason we don't care? |
| 17:13.37 | dudeman | and apart from ##linux-pakistan mailing list, there is nothing else |
| 17:13.52 | dudeman | nvz, I found an indian guy here yesterday who is gonna help |
| 17:14.02 | nvz | congratulations |
| 17:14.03 | dudeman | so you never know, spam, and you may get a response |
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| 17:14.18 | nvz | sighs |
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| 17:14.39 | Legality | Hi |
| 17:14.52 | Legality | how can I find text inside files ? also recursively to subfolders |
| 17:14.57 | Legality | bash-command* |
| 17:14.58 | nvz | I don't know whats worse.. listening to you or reading this boring chapter about Windows 9x |
| 17:14.59 | dudeman | Legality, grep |
| 17:15.08 | nvz | Legality: rgrep |
| 17:15.09 | Legality | dudeman: please specify :> |
| 17:15.18 | nvz | Legality: man rgrep |
| 17:15.21 | dudeman | nvz, considering you have NO interest in Urdu or Pakistan, I'm guessing me ;) |
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| 17:15.48 | abrotman | Legality: man grep |
| 17:15.51 | nvz | dudeman: right, never even heard of Urdu, and couldn't point out Pakistan on a map |
| 17:16.46 | abrotman | nvz: it's right next to Pittsburgh :) |
| 17:16.52 | dudeman | lol |
| 17:16.55 | Arrick | HUH? |
| 17:16.56 | nvz | heh |
| 17:17.03 | dudeman | Arrick, inside joke |
| 17:17.16 | nvz | abrotman: oh you mean Philadelphia? |
| 17:17.18 | abrotman | dudeman: you're aware of the i18n-arabic list? |
| 17:17.24 | abrotman | not sure if that wiould be related or not |
| 17:17.31 | dudeman | abrotman, not related |
| 17:17.31 | abrotman | erm .. l10n |
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| 17:17.52 | dudeman | abrotman, we do use the same script however there are few more additional alphabetin Urdu which are not present in arabic |
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| 17:18.39 | abrotman | dudeman: and there's a debian-i18n list .. but not sure how widely read iti s |
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| 17:19.03 | navaladi | hi all, i use screen utility everyday, it is very nice tool. but i would like to know is it possible to attach to a running console.? i mean, not to the screen sessions, but i wanna to attach to a real ruuning console? |
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| 17:19.16 | navaladi | Because some of my scripts are running in normal linux console, so i would like to attach to those console and see the status. is it possible ? |
| 17:19.17 | dudeman | abrotman, the real problem is, almost all the computer users in pakistan can speak/read/write English enough to utilize technology. And the people who actually use Debian and/or Linux, don't care if its avialable in Urdu or not |
| 17:19.59 | dudeman | for them English is fine, but then there are lots of non english speakers who SHOULD be given something in thier language to ease computer usage |
| 17:20.02 | nvz | navaladi: you mean like a serial console? |
| 17:20.07 | dudeman | which is what my goal is |
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| 17:20.47 | navaladi | nvz : i mean, i want to attach to tty console e.g /dev/pts/0 |
| 17:21.14 | nvz | navaladi: um, no.. run your damn programs in screen |
| 17:21.27 | dudeman | <3 screen |
| 17:21.31 | navaladi | nvz: i have logged in to the console in my office, ( not using the screen ) now i want to attach to that console see the status |
| 17:21.52 | nvz | navaladi: then you made the mistake of not running screen |
| 17:21.52 | lera_zed | navaladi: either you can investigate zsh manual |
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| 17:21.59 | navaladi | nvz : so you mean, that is not possible at al? |
| 17:22.02 | nvz | sad, sad story. |
| 17:22.08 | nvz | you should always use screen |
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| 17:22.18 | navaladi | nvz : oh, oh |
| 17:22.22 | dudeman | ehhh |
| 17:22.26 | dudeman | always is a strong word |
| 17:22.35 | nvz | ALWAYS! |
| 17:22.41 | dudeman | ok ok fine! jeez ;) |
| 17:22.51 | navaladi | nvz : zsh have any feature for that? |
| 17:23.01 | nvz | I don't have any idea |
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| 17:23.14 | nvz | I don't think your shell has anything to do with your console |
| 17:23.26 | nvz | other than the fact that it needs one to be useful |
| 17:23.38 | simonrvn | to reattach a process to another pterminal? not tht i know of, any shell for that matter. |
| 17:23.59 | dudeman | kwe kwe |
| 17:24.03 | nvz | simonrvn: y'know there is this really neat program for that... |
| 17:24.08 | nvz | ... its called screen. |
| 17:24.22 | dudeman | nvz, I'm sure he is aware of it |
| 17:24.27 | dudeman | smartass! |
| 17:24.28 | nvz | yeah me too |
| 17:24.52 | lera_zed | navaladi: search zshall manpage for ZSH/CLONE |
| 17:24.55 | navaladi | nvz , simonrvn : u guys know how to detach and re attach a running programe to other shells/ or console? |
| 17:24.57 | simonrvn | orly, so why do i have 3 screen sessions running, 2 remote? ;) |
| 17:25.14 | dudeman | navaladi, that is what they are talking about |
| 17:25.19 | simonrvn | navaladi: screen |
| 17:25.21 | nvz | navaladi: yeah, its a really cool process, first you run screen.. |
| 17:25.30 | dudeman | navaladi, you have to start something inside a shell multiplexer of some sort |
| 17:25.32 | dudeman | namely screen |
| 17:25.38 | nvz | then you goto another console and run screen -rd |
| 17:25.42 | dudeman | otherwise there no way(not that I know of anyway) |
| 17:26.07 | nvz | even IF there was another way, you might want to throw your OS away cause its a big piece of crap that is insecure |
| 17:26.21 | dudeman | true |
| 17:26.25 | nvz | and then slap yourself really hard for not just using screen instead of being hard headed |
| 17:26.51 | navaladi | nvz : yeah u r right, i should this next time...:) |
| 17:27.02 | lera_zed | navaladi: if you are looking for screen'a-like application - you should pay attention to tmux - it is neat |
| 17:27.10 | dudeman | well don't slap yourself TOO hard ;) |
| 17:27.14 | dudeman | tmux eh |
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| 17:27.33 | simonrvn | a proc that's started from a certain terminal stays associated with that term, unless you detach it to the background some way. even then, its ppid will be that terminal's pid. |
| 17:27.34 | navaladi | lera_zed : thanks, i will have a look |
| 17:27.34 | dudeman | !tmux |
| 17:27.55 | dudeman | dpkg tmux is a "terminal multiplexer", it enables a number of terminals (or windows) to be accessed and controlled from a single terminal. tmux is intended to be a simple, modern, BSD-licensed alternative to programs such as GNU screen. http://sourceforge.net/projects/tmux |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | dudeman: okay |
| 17:28.04 | simonrvn | there's another screen-like app too, can't recall the name now. |
| 17:28.24 | dudeman | simonrvn, plenty of mux for terms |
| 17:28.24 | lera_zed | navaladi: also, as i told previously zsh has module clone which allows you to reattach your shell instance to different console |
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| 17:28.44 | simonrvn | it does? |
| 17:28.52 | dudeman | mhmm |
| 17:28.54 | simonrvn | neat |
| 17:28.54 | dudeman | zsh ftw! |
| 17:28.59 | dudeman | simonrvn, you a bash guy? |
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| 17:29.07 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:29.22 | lera_zed | navaladi: if you are up for scripting, try zsh clone :) |
| 17:29.25 | dudeman | oh ok just wondering |
| 17:29.32 | lera_zed | navaladi: you wont regret anyway :) |
| 17:30.04 | navaladi | lera_zed , :) i am not too good in zsh , i'll have a look |
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| 17:30.20 | dudeman | rahul got me started on zsh last year |
| 17:30.25 | dudeman | I can't get away now! |
| 17:31.05 | lera_zed | navaladi: it depends on what you need, if you need application to use - screen/tmux is the way to go, if you need to automate something investigate zsh |
| 17:32.30 | abrotman | navaladi: you can attach to processes from other terminals |
| 17:32.32 | rjent | Greetings, I am having trouble with lenny and an intel atom board of e210882 and ALC662 with 2.6.26-1-686. When I run alsaconf it detects and configures, yet when I try to speaker-test the speaker-test gets stuck. |
| 17:32.59 | rjent | Any ideas would be appreciated. |
| 17:33.27 | navaladi | abrotman : could you please tell me how i can do that? |
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| 17:33.57 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
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| 17:34.08 | PetoKraus | what package is autopoint in |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | !tell PetoKraus about search |
| 17:34.36 | abrotman | judd: info retty |
| 17:34.37 | judd | abrotman: retty (utils): is extra; Version: 1.0-1; Size: 9560 ; Installed: 68 -- attach processes running on other terminals |
| 17:34.45 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 17:34.50 | abrotman | blah |
| 17:34.51 | PetoKraus | cheers man |
| 17:35.09 | dudeman | whoah! |
| 17:35.31 | abrotman | navaladi: see above |
| 17:35.31 | dudeman | there is a freaking tool for EVERYTHIN! I love linux! |
| 17:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
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| 17:35.55 | navaladi | dudeman : i too |
| 17:35.57 | dudeman | Here I'm sitting here minding my own thinking you can do that then he comes out with retty |
| 17:36.00 | dudeman | I'm like damn! |
| 17:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | <nvz> even IF there was another way, you might want to throw your OS away cause its a big piece of crap that is insecure |
| 17:36.09 | abrotman | stew: maybe judd should have units of measure for the sizes? |
| 17:36.12 | navaladi | abrotman : i will go through the manual, thanks |
| 17:36.20 | dudeman | judds a new bot I take it |
| 17:36.25 | simonrvn | that'd be nice ;) |
| 17:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | is waiting for nvz to quit with the quit message "erasing my OS" |
| 17:36.29 | dudeman | judd, hi |
| 17:36.29 | judd | dudeman: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
| 17:37.08 | simonrvn | judd's not an infobott |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | or blootbot |
| 17:37.23 | dudeman | its one of the same ones jetscreamer runs I think |
| 17:37.33 | simonrvn | s/tt/t/ |
| 17:37.40 | simonrvn | no |
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| 17:37.57 | dudeman | 01:35 < bottu> dudeman: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
| 17:38.06 | dudeman | same error message, I figured its probably same kinda codebase |
| 17:38.25 | simonrvn | supy |
| 17:38.30 | dudeman | ahh supybot |
| 17:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | a spybot! spying on us! |
| 17:39.33 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: hah |
| 17:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well? time to show you're a man of your word |
| 17:40.13 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: thats not the same thing |
| 17:40.21 | PetoKraus | how do i know which runlevel i am in? |
| 17:40.30 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: it detaches a process the same way screen does, doesn't give you access to another users terminal |
| 17:40.37 | PetoKraus | (too used to openrc...) |
| 17:40.38 | simonrvn | unsurprisingly, type runlevel |
| 17:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | PetoKraus, type "runlevel" |
| 17:40.44 | stew | abrotman: sure, one sec |
| 17:40.59 | PetoKraus | yeah... that's the gentoo degeneration |
| 17:41.07 | nvz | I had to step out and take a call from the attorney general.. |
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| 17:41.22 | nvz | er district attorney |
| 17:41.31 | abrotman | stew: it wasn't an immediate request .. just something that might be useful :) |
| 17:41.31 | nvz | whatever the hell they call themselves |
| 17:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, nobody ever talked about giving access to a different users terminal |
| 17:41.57 | PetoKraus | there was a "masking" guide somewhere on the internet... |
| 17:42.14 | PetoKraus | like, i don't want mono, so i can mask it, so it won't be pulled in...ever... anyone can help me? |
| 17:42.19 | stew | judd: info retty |
| 17:42.20 | judd | stew: retty (utils): is extra; Version: 1.0-1; Size: 9.3k ; Installed: 68k -- attach processes running on other terminals |
| 17:42.25 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: well, whatever.. I'm going back to studying useless information |
| 17:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and erasing your OS |
| 17:42.42 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i know, i'd been meaning to do it, just needed a nudge :) |
| 17:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 17:43.02 | rush1 | Hello. How can I make SD card working in debian lenny? |
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| 17:45.02 | simonrvn | stew: neato. you write that module for judd/supy? |
| 17:45.55 | simonrvn | PetoKraus: wrong os; masking is for gentoo. |
| 17:46.12 | PetoKraus | simonrvn: yes, but there was equivalent in debian... i am sure |
| 17:46.22 | PetoKraus | you could tell which version of package you want to keep... |
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| 17:46.26 | stew | simonrvn: yeah, i'm running a udd instance here (http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase), and interfacing supy with it was a piece of cake, and makes for fast queries |
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| 17:47.24 | simonrvn | PetoKraus: that's called holding a package |
| 17:47.32 | stew | simonrvn: i'm waging war on "<dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait." :) (try, for instance /msg dpkg judd versions ffmpeg) |
| 17:47.38 | PetoKraus | simonrvn: yes. any help on that? |
| 17:47.50 | simonrvn | stew: nice; i thought so, i'm tired of that |
| 17:47.57 | simonrvn | PetoKraus: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 17:48.50 | wols_ | stew: thank you! thank you! And take no prisoners! |
| 17:49.02 | simonrvn | stew++ |
| 17:49.11 | stew | :) |
| 17:49.16 | dudeman | indeed |
| 17:49.21 | dudeman | !stew++ |
| 17:49.39 | damog | :o |
| 17:49.43 | dudeman | HEY! |
| 17:49.47 | simonrvn | oh fuck, nice |
| 17:49.48 | dudeman | damog, buddy! |
| 17:49.54 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:50.00 | dudeman | damog, whats up man long time no see |
| 17:50.05 | simonrvn | /msg judd versions ffmpeg |
| 17:50.07 | damog | hey dudeman |
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| 17:50.10 | dudeman | damog, Nyle |
| 17:50.14 | damog | dudeman: ah gotcha |
| 17:50.17 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:50.21 | damog | dudeman: you coming to the BSP on Saturday? |
| 17:50.29 | dudeman | sure I'll try to make it |
| 17:50.31 | damog | dudeman: http://wiki.debian.org/BSP2008/Brooklyn |
| 17:50.36 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:50.47 | damog | dudeman: then feel free to write your name down on the page |
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| 17:51.07 | dudeman | cool thanks man |
| 17:51.15 | dudeman | damog, how've you been otherwise? Hows USA? |
| 17:51.25 | dudeman | or rather, hows nyc! haha :) |
| 17:51.49 | dudeman | yeh man sure we'll hang on saturday |
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| 17:51.59 | damog | dudeman: everything's cool |
| 17:52.09 | damog | working and hanging around |
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| 17:52.39 | dudeman | awesome, so before we get too offtopic in here, say hey to the old woman for me :) |
| 17:53.15 | damog | will do, thanks. |
| 17:53.15 | AvK | hey |
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| 17:53.55 | rocketmaster | hello, does the bug of using xfs on /boot with grub still exists in current etch releases? |
| 17:54.19 | AvK | my friend tell me that word : "cheange" is the correct form of the "change", is this true ? |
| 17:54.35 | dudeman | AvK, ##linguistics perhaps |
| 17:54.40 | AvK | ok ok |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | rocketmaster: wouldn't that be a bootloader issue ? |
| 17:55.14 | abrotman | AvK: dictionary.com ? |
| 17:55.43 | rocketmaster | abrotman, isnt grub a bootloader? this problem did only exists on debian imho |
| 17:56.10 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 17:56.20 | rocketmaster | i tried that with fedora, suse etc, and they didnt have any problems on installing grub on xfs |
| 17:56.41 | Lagbolt | is etch using grub2? |
| 17:57.11 | maligor | I think default is grub |
| 17:57.16 | maligor | grub legacy that is |
| 17:57.23 | rocketmaster | it also works with grub, you mustnt use grub2, as far as i know this is fixed in grub2, but grub2 isnt already stable the devs said |
| 17:57.25 | Lagbolt | yeah so i dont think xfs works with grub only grub2? |
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| 17:57.55 | dudeman | !exp4bugs |
| 17:57.55 | dpkg | from memory, exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 17:58.00 | dudeman | damog, just keep a pad ;) |
| 17:58.05 | dudeman | s/pad/count |
| 17:58.20 | rocketmaster | Lagbolt, it also works with grub, except on debian, and i wonder how |
| 17:58.25 | rocketmaster | or why |
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| 18:01.57 | dudeman | maybe I should firefup virtualbox and give grub2 a quick try |
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| 18:02.14 | dudeman | debconf low offered it to me a few times I chose to skip it |
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| 18:02.32 | dudeman | xfs you say eh |
| 18:03.25 | rocketmaster | dudeman, yeah xfs :) |
| 18:04.21 | rocketmaster | i just installed a new machine, and when i use xfs for /boot i only get an error message and install fails or hangs up |
| 18:04.52 | rocketmaster | only lilo was possible to install |
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| 18:14.16 | becki | evening |
| 18:15.16 | Lagbolt | top of the evening to you as well |
| 18:15.28 | becki | a short question. i have to instal Pq, which needs QT. I installen qt4, and now i have to specify QTDIR, but waht is QTDIR on debian? it doesn't work. how could i solve this problem? |
| 18:16.19 | becki | http://www.froglogic.com/pg?id=Products&category=pq <-- this is Pq |
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| 18:18.35 | simonrvn | installing packages instead of from source you don't have to worry about QTDIR |
| 18:18.55 | becki | i didn't find any debian package for this |
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| 18:19.17 | justin | becki: you didnt install qt-dev |
| 18:19.24 | simonrvn | that was for Lagbolt sorry |
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| 18:19.37 | simonrvn | oh woops, it was for you :) |
| 18:19.42 | becki | justin, ibqt4-dev |
| 18:20.20 | becki | or what do you mean? qt-dev doesn't exist |
| 18:20.28 | justin | no, that is what I meant |
| 18:20.31 | justin | if you installed that it should work |
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| 18:20.45 | becki | apt-get doesn't find qt-dev |
| 18:20.54 | simonrvn | !info libqt4-dev |
| 18:20.57 | dpkg | libqt4-dev: (Qt 4 development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.4.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4076 kB, Installed size: 22808 kB |
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| 18:21.04 | simonrvn | !info libqt4-dev etch |
| 18:21.07 | becki | libqt4-dev is installed |
| 18:21.07 | dpkg | libqt4-dev: (Qt 4 development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-2+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4100 kB, Installed size: 19636 kB |
| 18:21.14 | justin | becki: then it should work. |
| 18:21.19 | Bryanstein | wow a lot of bodies in this channel |
| 18:21.23 | becki | but it doesn't. |
| 18:21.33 | justin | becki: why not? |
| 18:22.02 | Bryanstein | hey guys can someone ls -la /var/log/user.log for me on and etch system |
| 18:22.03 | becki | i can write c++ code and it works, but i don't know, Y Pq doesn't find qt, because i'm not sure about mei QTDIR variable |
| 18:22.17 | justin | you dont need to set QTDIR, it should find it |
| 18:22.23 | becki | i set ist to /usr/share/qt4 |
| 18:22.31 | justin | becki: why the hell did you do that? |
| 18:22.50 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 18:22.54 | becki | Pq wants a QTDIR set, otherwise it doesn't continue make |
| 18:23.06 | justin | becki: what does Pg say? |
| 18:23.29 | Lagbolt | the site says you need qt2 or 3? is qt4 backwards compat for this pQ |
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| 18:23.35 | becki | QTDIR not set. Aborting at Makefile.PL line 8. |
| 18:23.49 | becki | at the bottom it says version 70.7.1 works with qt4, too |
| 18:23.54 | justin | ah, it's broken |
| 18:23.58 | justin | try export QTDIR=/usr |
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| 18:24.19 | simonrvn | justin: my thoguht exactly (it being borked) |
| 18:24.25 | simonrvn | thought* |
| 18:24.48 | becki | funny, it doesn't find qmap.h and a few other headers and exits with an error |
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| 18:25.45 | justin | where is it looking for it? |
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| 18:26.05 | Bryanstein | can someone do me a favor and tell me the owner and group of /var/log/user.log ? |
| 18:26.25 | wols_ | Bryanstein: root:adm |
| 18:26.27 | becki | how do i find it out? just normal #include <> in the file... |
| 18:26.40 | Bryanstein | thanks wols_ |
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| 18:31.17 | aliases123 | wols_: it turns out that otr uses more than just ssl. |
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| 18:31.49 | wols_ | aliases123: and this is relevant how? |
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| 18:32.36 | becki | strange, seems that it doesn't work with qt4... but they say that |
| 18:32.39 | becki | help anyway |
| 18:32.49 | becki | sry, thank you for your help |
| 18:33.05 | aliases123 | wols_: don't worry ;0 |
| 18:33.05 | n3kl | Haloooo! |
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| 18:35.52 | Arrick | hey, for the netinstall which isntalls the desktop, where is xorg.conf so i can edit to 16 bit and use it on a vm? |
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| 18:36.10 | simonrvn | !drxx Arrick |
| 18:36.10 | dpkg | Arrick: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 18:36.51 | zmainframe | Need some help, I can't get iceweasel to use sun-java-6 plugin from debian sid. about:plugins lists it available, but applets don't seem to run. I checked the .mailcap and added an entry, still no go. |
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| 18:37.24 | simonrvn | enabled java in browser prefs? |
| 18:37.33 | zmainframe | simonrvn yes, it is enabled |
| 18:38.11 | simonrvn | sure you got the right package, and have the jre? |
| 18:38.43 | zmainframe | simonrvn: I have the jre, and here is a snippit of my .mailcap if it helps.application/x-java-jnlp-file;/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javaws % |
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| 18:38.54 | justin | becki: what command is it using to compile the file, it must be using the wrong -I option |
| 18:39.00 | simonrvn | no need for mailcap fuckery |
| 18:39.15 | zmainframe | simonrvn: Thats a relief :-) |
| 18:39.42 | justin | ooh, javaws isn't the same thing as the java plugin |
| 18:39.59 | simonrvn | though it seems it should work otherwise.... my brain hasn't quite kicked into 2nd gear yet so no ideas yet. |
| 18:40.07 | simonrvn | no, it isn't |
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| 18:40.14 | justin | zmainframe: go to about:plugins |
| 18:40.19 | zmainframe | justin: really, I picked it off Linux Questions.org |
| 18:40.21 | justin | ooh, it shows it? |
| 18:40.25 | PetoKraus | how can i mark some modules to autoload? |
| 18:40.27 | simonrvn | he says it shows up |
| 18:40.28 | Arrick | thanks simNIX |
| 18:40.32 | justin | javaws = java web start, for running .jnlp files |
| 18:40.32 | Arrick | simonrvn, ^ |
| 18:40.33 | becki | justin, well, i tested it qith qt3, and it worked, but no idea why it doesn't work with qt4 |
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| 18:40.34 | becki | :( |
| 18:40.52 | zmainframe | OK, I'm in about:plugins |
| 18:41.04 | zmainframe | I see java 1.6 entry |
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| 18:42.19 | simonrvn | Arrick: ok |
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| 18:43.35 | zmainframe | simonrvn: It is using libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 18:43.40 | zmainframe | Is that correct? |
| 18:43.48 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:44.15 | g00se | I've got a sid cdebootstrap chroot here, but sources.list is just 'deb bootstrap: . main' What's all that about? |
| 18:44.26 | zmainframe | simonrvn: Is there a way to see if the applet is trying to call the plugin? |
| 18:45.11 | Xyc0 | are there linux-headers for 2.6.24-1-686? |
| 18:45.16 | Xyc0 | in the repos |
| 18:45.22 | dudeman | .24 no more I think |
| 18:45.30 | Xyc0 | :/ |
| 18:45.33 | dudeman | Xyc0, .25 |
| 18:45.44 | Xyc0 | im using lenny |
| 18:45.54 | dudeman | ahh no .26 |
| 18:45.59 | dudeman | too |
| 18:46.08 | dudeman | its .26 |
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| 18:46.45 | dudeman | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 18:47.48 | simonrvn | no idea, i'd just try to load an applet known to work |
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| 18:48.03 | simonrvn | the tias principle |
| 18:48.25 | dudeman | Xyc0, you can try sdn |
| 18:48.31 | dudeman | Xyc0, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:50.13 | abrotman | Xyc0: what's wrong with using the .26 in lenny/sid ? |
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| 18:52.20 | Larcen_ | hi all |
| 18:52.27 | dudeman | hi |
| 18:53.41 | Xyc0 | abrotman: I did a net install, i thought that installed the newest kernel |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | Xyc0: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 18:54.42 | Xyc0 | abrotman: already done, rebooting |
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| 18:57.56 | rideick | hey guys.. I got a samba server + ldap... so far it is ok... but when I try to join the machine on the domain it wont work... can somebody help me please? |
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| 18:58.08 | simonrvn | ask in #samba |
| 18:58.29 | rideick | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 18:59.39 | W3b3r_ | Hello |
| 19:00.08 | W3b3r_ | gnome can be found in which cd? |
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| 19:02.58 | W3b3r_ | 1, 2, 3? .. |
| 19:02.58 | W3b3r_ | gnome can be found in which cd? 1, 2, 3?? other? |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 19:02.59 | W3b3r_ | !cd gnome lenny |
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| 19:03.00 | abrotman | not quite |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | W3b3r_: IIRC large parts of gnome are on the 1st CD |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | not all of it .. but enough to be usable |
| 19:03.01 | W3b3r_ | hum |
| 19:03.01 | W3b3r_ | great |
| 19:03.01 | W3b3r_ | ok |
| 19:03.01 | W3b3r_ | Thanks =) |
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| 19:03.25 | roxy_ | is there a repo from which I can install sun's vbox ? |
| 19:03.50 | dryrot | roxy_: do you want the completely opensource version or the not completely opensource version |
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| 19:04.25 | roxy_ | dryrot: the closed source from sun |
| 19:04.55 | dryrot | roxy_: that would be 'no' then |
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| 19:06.33 | roxy_ | if it would have been a yes/no question :-) |
| 19:06.34 | jerbear | this isn't specifically a debian question, but i'm writing a plugin for deskbar-applet, and i'm trying to figure out where the best place to put data files would be? (like a sqlite db) |
| 19:06.34 | dryrot | you asked a yes or no question. your answer is no! |
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| 19:06.49 | roxy_ | I am a bit slow this morning |
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| 19:07.53 | roxy_ | found it: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian etch non-free |
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| 19:08.44 | anat | hi, im having some trouble with a single machine with 2 users but one of them is loading normally the other is just loading a black screen after the authentication |
| 19:08.49 | dryrot | i have tried that. i got the non-closed-source version, i am pretty sure. you should try it out, report back. |
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| 19:09.37 | adama | anat they can log in with ssh, yes? check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 19:10.22 | anat | adama, aye they bot can log with ssh, |
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| 19:15.02 | nn | is there a document that describes the tools, etc needed to setup a machine to build debian for a different (currently not supported) architecture? |
| 19:15.17 | anat | adama, the .xsession-errors its not showing any problem, i have tried logging in with diferente sessions(xfce, gnome) but behaves similar for both users for one works fine for the other just a black screen with the mouse pointer |
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| 19:15.35 | nn | I'd really like to put together a debian/playstation 3... |
| 19:15.37 | micols | god damn mit pgp server is SLOW |
| 19:15.56 | abrotman | nn: there's already a distro for that |
| 19:15.58 | simonrvn | nn: it's already being ported (WIP) |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | !tell nn about ps3 |
| 19:16.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh it's done? |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | not a debian one .. but based on debian i think |
| 19:17.04 | simonrvn | probably sid-like -> knoppix -> ps3 live cd |
| 19:17.15 | abrotman | NFC .. not used it |
| 19:17.40 | simonrvn | /topic #debianppc oftc |
| 19:18.00 | dudeman | ps3 uses ppc cpus? |
| 19:18.04 | nn | i have a feeling thats the one which didnt work so well |
| 19:18.06 | nn | ppc64 |
| 19:18.08 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:18.10 | dudeman | nice |
| 19:18.23 | nn | only big issue is 212mb of ram if you cant escape the hypervisor |
| 19:18.31 | nn | if you can 256mb |
| 19:18.33 | simonrvn | 8 ppc64 |
| 19:18.50 | nn | i wouldnt count the SPE's as full cores tho |
| 19:19.06 | dudeman | wow |
| 19:19.10 | simonrvn | that's true, drops to 5 or 6 iirc |
| 19:19.14 | nn | it's called CELL |
| 19:19.17 | dudeman | why does that ring a bell |
| 19:19.34 | simonrvn | wikipedia dudeman |
| 19:19.37 | nn | simonrvn: the SPE's are 7 pre-hypervisor, 6 otherwise (game-mode) |
| 19:19.42 | dudeman | !factinfo ps3 |
| 19:19.42 | dpkg | ps3 -- created by Nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> at Sun May 11 23:24:38 2008 (142 days); last modified at Sun May 18 12:37:48 2008 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 26 times, last by simonrvn, 3m 17s ago. |
| 19:19.57 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 19:20.00 | dudeman | yeh.. my forgetful self created it |
| 19:20.01 | dudeman | :/ |
| 19:20.11 | simonrvn | !lart dudeman |
| 19:20.12 | dpkg | squishes dudeman like a bug |
| 19:20.15 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | with a nick like that .. how could you forget ... |
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| 19:20.29 | nn | Anyways, no books/guides on building debian for other platforms? |
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| 19:20.53 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/ports/ ; and it's being worked on |
| 19:20.55 | abrotman | nn: i thought the maintainer guide covered this .. but there is a modified etch for the PS3 if you look at what the bot told you |
| 19:21.07 | simonrvn | /topic #debianppc oftc |
| 19:21.14 | simonrvn | irc.oftc.net |
| 19:21.31 | dudeman | hehe |
| 19:21.46 | dudeman | squish, thats a funny word :) |
| 19:21.52 | simonrvn | Topic for #debianppc: The Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC Port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ | Debian CDs are not bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs | arthur and ag- are working on official PS3/Cell support... | if you don't get an answer right away, please be patient, someone will eventually |
| 19:22.09 | dudeman | ahh cool.. under progress |
| 19:22.25 | dudeman | I'm sure there must be some non debian ps3 linux out there if you can't wait |
| 19:22.49 | abrotman | dudeman: it already runs on PS3 .. and it's a modified debian .. i said it a few times |
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| 19:23.07 | dudeman | abrotman, oh wasn't paying attention |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | and the factoid tells you that |
| 19:23.39 | dudeman | I didn't look at one |
| 19:24.14 | dudeman | ahh I see |
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| 19:27.30 | LiENUS | whats the best way to set up a debian server with xen? just install a normal server install then install the kernel and xen-tools? |
| 19:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | conversations get pretty pointless if only one side of it is reading the comments of the other side |
| 19:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if both sides don't, we geeks call them "write-only dialogues" |
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| 19:29.57 | nn | sorry, reading the docs pointed to |
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| 19:30.28 | nn | There's a few things i'd like to do in possibly non-debian ways on the ps3 to reduce memory usage.. that's why asking for a guide |
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| 19:31.32 | gigo | when I insert my headphone into the jack, sound still comes from the laptop speaker. how should I fix it? |
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| 19:32.24 | rrththe | i like cheese |
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| 19:32.40 | stew | gigo: this is a well known problem with snd-hda-intel, and is fixed in later versions of alsa. what does "uname -r" say and what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:33.24 | gigo | stew: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 19:33.36 | gigo | stew: Debian Lenny (testing) |
| 19:33.44 | stew | gigo: try /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 19:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting - I thought that switch is done by the hardware, not by the driver |
| 19:34.36 | zmainframe | OK, made some java headway |
| 19:34.42 | stew | the problem went away for me in 2.6.26, but i understand some newer intel chips are still having problems |
| 19:34.54 | zmainframe | seems that Java works under iceape but not iceweasel |
| 19:35.11 | stew | zmainframe: how did you install the java plugin? with a debian package? |
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| 19:35.16 | zmainframe | both programs shows java listed in about:plugins |
| 19:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmainframe, it does for me (not that I'd have checked recently) |
| 19:35.32 | zmainframe | stew: java from the debian sid archive |
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| 19:36.03 | zmainframe | So java works fine if I use iceape but I get an empty space if I use iceweasel. |
| 19:36.06 | stew | zmainframe: which package(s) did you install? |
| 19:36.26 | zmainframe | I installed the sun-java-6 (jre/plugin/jdk) |
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| 19:38.46 | zmainframe | stew: The question now is why does it work under iceape, and not iceweasel. |
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| 19:38.49 | stew | zmainframe: perhaps use 'update-java-alternatives' to make sure that you are using the right plugin |
| 19:38.59 | zmainframe | stew: also doesn't work under konq. |
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| 19:39.33 | zmainframe | stew: I did the update-alternative --config java |
| 19:39.41 | zmainframe | stew: Let me try yours |
| 19:39.58 | stew | zmainframe: yours wouldn't affect the mozilla plugin |
| 19:40.30 | zmainframe | stew: Should I use update-java-alternatives -a ? |
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| 19:41.01 | stew | zmainframe: i don't recall exactly, but i thought you use -l to list available ones then "-s name" to set one from that list |
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| 19:41.22 | zmainframe | stew: output of -l java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
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| 19:45.13 | zmainframe | stew: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 19:45.24 | aleij | hi, my kernel boot process getting til starting cron, it doesnt finish, so i get no consoles.. what could i do? |
| 19:45.30 | zmainframe | ran some text on the screen of changes |
| 19:45.31 | aleij | i dont know why that happen |
| 19:46.02 | aleij | the last thing i see is starting crond |
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| 19:46.10 | aleij | then some INIT messages |
| 19:46.15 | aleij | thats all |
| 19:46.17 | aleij | no consoles |
| 19:47.00 | zmainframe | stew: still no go on iceweasel |
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| 19:47.26 | Lirezh | hi |
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| 19:48.15 | mettao87 | hi |
| 19:48.22 | Lirezh | Hi |
| 19:48.42 | Lagbolt | hi |
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| 19:48.50 | Lirezh | I try to get courier-pop3 working with TLS (for thunderbird). the first thing thunderbird does is "CAPA" then the conneciton is dropped because it misses something |
| 19:48.56 | Lirezh | anyone an idea what to check ? |
| 19:49.00 | zmainframe | OK purging Iceweasel |
| 19:49.24 | zmainframe | perhaps something screwy was setup. |
| 19:49.27 | mettao87 | i have a problem with make command: http://pastebin.com/m130d3965 |
| 19:49.34 | NelsonFx | Lirezh, logs |
| 19:49.47 | Lirezh | there is no error for the logs |
| 19:49.50 | keith4 | Lirezh: #courier? |
| 19:50.04 | keith4 | !tell mettao about ubuntu |
| 19:50.09 | Lirezh | i'll try keith, but it |
| 19:50.13 | Lagbolt | mettao87, looks like your problem is ubuntu |
| 19:50.13 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 19:50.14 | Lirezh | s pretty empty ^^ |
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| 19:50.42 | keith4 | Lirezh: might have to be patient. very patient |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | mettao87: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:51.01 | Lirezh | Nelson: after "CAPA" thunderbirds drops the connection, so there is nothing to log (only connection, connection reset) |
| 19:51.26 | keith4 | he probably meant logs on the other end of that connection |
| 19:51.27 | mettao87 | Lagbolt: yes, my problem is ubuntu..... i have to change, but now i haven't debian's cd-r with me.... |
| 19:51.31 | mettao87 | thanks.... |
| 19:51.32 | mettao87 | byw |
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| 19:51.34 | mettao87 | bye |
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| 19:52.42 | zmainframe | stew: I found the problem |
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| 19:54.38 | zmainframe | stew: I mv .mozilla to mozilla.back to see if something in my config is screwing something up. It was. Now it works fine under iceweasel. I will now just backup my bookmarks and start with a clean .mozilla directory. Thank You for the help on the update-java-alternatives. I've never used the command, but learned something new today. Thank you again for your time. I hope this helps others out as well. |
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| 19:58.05 | NelsonFx | Lirezh, elevate the loglevel |
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| 20:00.05 | Lirezh | nelson: i checked it with tcpdump |
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| 20:00.21 | Lirezh | thunderbird is stopping the connection because it wants to see something courier is not offering |
| 20:00.50 | Lirezh | and thudnerbird does not log |
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| 20:01.53 | LamerC | Hello. I've found a but under Debian 4 when using nautilus and double-clicking the 'up' toolbar button. |
| 20:02.00 | LamerC | s/but/bug/ |
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| 20:03.52 | LamerC | If i'm in a folder, /home/user/documents/school, and I double-click the 'up' button, the view correctly goes up to /home/user, but the text location bar still shows /home/user/documents |
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| 20:09.39 | NelsonFx | Lirezh, :s |
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| 20:30.43 | dryrot | how do i get dpkg or apt-get to reinstall a package, no matter what edits i have made? |
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| 20:31.09 | stew | dryrot: you mean edits to config files? |
| 20:31.31 | dryrot | stew: i would like it to blindly replace the config files that are part of the package. |
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| 20:31.44 | stew | dryrot: look at the instructions in "/msg dpkg confmiss" but instead of --force-confmiss you want --force-confnew |
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| 20:32.08 | dmoerner | !confmiss |
| 20:32.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 20:33.51 | drbair_work | is there anyway to replicate the behavior of pam_stack? @INCLUDE doesn't seem to cut it |
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| 20:34.46 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: @include is the way you'd do it; pam_stack is pretty much superfluous. |
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| 20:34.52 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 20:35.31 | drbair_work | dondelelcaro: I want to have two modules and required that at least one of them passes |
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| 20:35.39 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm having a bit of a problem with my Mustek USB scanner - "scanimage -L" as root finds it, but as my user (who's a member of group "scanner") doesn't. It looks like the /dev/usbdev* entries don't have group "scanner" set (Lenny amd64) |
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| 20:35.53 | n-iCe | ? |
| 20:35.54 | n-iCe | chip |
| 20:36.07 | drbair_work | dondelelcaro: but I don't want to make them sufficient, because that can screw up things farther down the line |
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| 20:37.55 | drbair_work | i think if i made my pam_stack required and had the two modules marked as sufficient in the child, it would do what I'm looking for |
| 20:38.08 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 20:38.48 | drbair_work | I want to have pam_unix and pam_winbind in common-auth, only requiring one of them |
| 20:38.49 | gggggig | hi |
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| 20:39.10 | gggggig | what's wrong with debs produced with checkinstall? |
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| 20:40.09 | drbair_work | if I make one or both of them sufficient, it could mess up processing of services that include common-auth |
| 20:40.16 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: so make pam_winbind sufficient and higher up the stack |
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| 20:40.52 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: unless you only want winbind to work for certain services, in which case you do so before you include common_auth |
| 20:41.16 | drbair_work | i want it to work on all services, I just don't want it to be considered sufficient in all of them |
| 20:41.29 | dondelelcaro | huh? |
| 20:41.54 | drbair_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.23 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: then add the required modules above the inclusion of common_auth for those services |
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| 20:43.17 | drbair_work | so if PAM hits a required and fails, will it stop processing right there? |
| 20:43.47 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: it continues processing, but the stack will fail |
| 20:43.57 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: if you want it to fail immediately, that's requisite |
| 20:44.07 | drbair_work | dondelelcaro: even if it hits a sufficient? |
| 20:44.24 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: sure; man pam.d |
| 20:45.56 | grand_grunt | What can I use to easy encode video from avi to ogg? |
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| 20:46.12 | dondelelcaro | grand_grunt: mencoder can do it, as can a few other things |
| 20:46.35 | ooter | ffmpeg was pretty good last I checked |
| 20:46.37 | drbair_work | dondelelcaro: i see... thanks! |
| 20:47.00 | dondelelcaro | drbair_work: np; be careful and test what you do with pam! ;-) |
| 20:47.34 | grand_grunt | dondelelcaro: mencoder is not available on my debian.. in "non-free" or "contrib"? |
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| 20:50.29 | amphi | !marillat |
| 20:50.30 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 20:51.04 | mhymn | grand_grunt: try 'ffmpeg2theora' too |
| 20:51.33 | grand_grunt | mhymn: ffmpeg2theora hangs on an "illegal instruction". |
| 20:51.39 | grand_grunt | amphi: thx. |
| 20:51.46 | n-iCe | can anyone help me with a zd1211rw |
| 20:52.44 | dryrot | if install puppet through gems in debian am i going to destroy my machine |
| 20:53.59 | grand_grunt | What I'd rather prefer is use "ffmpeg2theora", but I got this "illegal instruction". Any idea make ffmeg2theora run? |
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| 20:57.08 | n-iCe | !zd1211rw |
| 20:57.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:02.40 | Octalot | grand_grunt: what type of CPU do you have? |
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| 21:04.12 | preston | does anyone know when the nvidia driver will be available in lenny, is it at release? |
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| 21:05.11 | Octalot | preston: it's in contrib or non-free, not main |
| 21:05.30 | grand_grunt | Octalot: Intel Celeron, Pentium II family |
| 21:05.39 | Octalot | anything that's going in Lenny is already in there |
| 21:05.52 | Octalot | !tell preston about nvidia |
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| 21:06.36 | X1938 | Hello! |
| 21:07.01 | grand_grunt | Octalot: http://grunt.no-ip.info/dmidecode.txt and kernel 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 21:08.24 | Octalot | grand_grunt: sounds like a bug in ffmpeg's build options; illegal instruction can mean that the program is trying to use the features of a more recent processor. |
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| 21:08.45 | preston | octalot i see the driver in etch's repo but not in lenny, now keep in mind this is online |
| 21:08.48 | grand_grunt | Octalot: I think the same, and will try to recompile on the machine. |
| 21:09.09 | Octalot | :) |
| 21:10.34 | Octalot | preston: eek - it is missing. Sorry for the misinformation. |
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| 21:14.10 | cbrinke1 | Hello |
| 21:14.51 | cbrinke1 | I have been googling for a while now, Is there a way to do silent installations of deb's? Specifically mysql-server asks for root password |
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| 21:15.53 | grand_grunt | cbrinke1: You mean non-interactive installation? use "sudo" |
| 21:16.21 | petemc | cbrinke1: preseeding can do that |
| 21:16.26 | cbrinke1 | I would like to be able to just have a silent install script (that answers the "what would you like your root password to be" question) |
| 21:17.43 | cbrinke1 | yeah, we are using preseeding currently, just this one package is asking for input, and we would like to just supply a value |
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| 21:19.24 | g00se_ | I think cdebootstrap creates a chroot without a kernel does it not? Is it possible to go into a chroot and activate a different kernel in there? |
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| 21:39.45 | Arrick | !phpmyadmin |
| 21:39.45 | dpkg | i heard phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
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| 21:40.50 | Arrick | is there a package for debian (stable) for phpmyadmin? |
| 21:41.12 | petemc | did you try searching for it? |
| 21:41.24 | Arrick | uhmm, im new to linux |
| 21:41.29 | Arrick | dont know where to look |
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| 21:41.40 | Maliuta | apt-cache search phpmyadmin |
| 21:41.41 | petemc | apt-cache search phpmyadmin |
| 21:41.47 | Arrick | thanks |
| 21:41.57 | Ace2016_- | install synaptic |
| 21:42.03 | Ace2016_- | ASAP! |
| 21:42.13 | Ace2016_- | and then i'll search and install stuff for you |
| 21:42.15 | Maliuta | dpkg --purge synaptic |
| 21:42.15 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up synaptic all over maliuta and zeta... |
| 21:42.15 | dudeman | no |
| 21:42.20 | Ace2016_- | no |
| 21:42.21 | dudeman | don't install synaptic |
| 21:42.26 | Ace2016_- | install synaptic |
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| 21:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, leave me outta that, ok? |
| 21:42.36 | dpkg | wish i knew, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:42.37 | Ace2016_- | dudeman: why not? its a nice gui |
| 21:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, too |
| 21:42.48 | dudeman | just use the command line. aptitude search blah, apt-cache search blah. |
| 21:43.02 | Ace2016_- | but its so cumbersome |
| 21:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | sticking a finger in my nick... tsk |
| 21:43.16 | craigevil | synaptic is fine or if you just want a gui package search kio-apt |
| 21:43.16 | Ace2016_- | synaptic is way better, a gui designed for the purpose of installing |
| 21:43.29 | maligor | synaptic is confusing |
| 21:43.33 | Ace2016_- | no way |
| 21:43.34 | Maliuta | gui == BAD |
| 21:43.43 | maligor | aptitude has cow powers! oh wait.. |
| 21:43.44 | dudeman | aptitude has a fine gui. |
| 21:43.45 | Maliuta | gui == wrong |
| 21:43.49 | dudeman | aptitude > * |
| 21:43.55 | Maliuta | gui == windows luser click monkey shit |
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| 21:43.55 | dudeman | worship aptitude and shush. |
| 21:44.03 | CcSsNET | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:44.06 | CcSsNET | end of story |
| 21:44.07 | maligor | I think they sold the super cow powers for more brains |
| 21:44.07 | Maliuta | dudeman: dselect |
| 21:44.13 | Ace2016_- | Arrick: install synaptic http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/images/synaptic-start.png |
| 21:44.15 | dudeman | Maliuta, nah.. why? |
| 21:44.23 | Ace2016_- | see how nice it is |
| 21:44.28 | avu | CcSsNET, you misspelled aptitude |
| 21:44.29 | Maliuta | dudeman: well when I want a list of packages thats what I want |
| 21:44.31 | Ace2016_- | go on, install it, its amazing |
| 21:44.37 | dudeman | aptitude is fine for everyday package maintaince unless you NEED dselect for a specific functionality |
| 21:44.44 | Maliuta | dudeman: I'll use apt-get and dpkg for the rest |
| 21:44.45 | dudeman | just to sound cool and say I use dselect is dumb. |
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| 21:45.04 | CcSsNET | avu i didnt mispell anything |
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| 21:45.17 | Maliuta | dudeman: I only use dselect when I _have_ to |
| 21:45.30 | dudeman | I'm sure |
| 21:45.45 | dudeman | otherwise you'd be psycho... |
| 21:45.45 | Maliuta | dudeman: normally when I want to do tagging around certain "recommended" packages |
| 21:46.01 | Maliuta | dudeman: no, still psycho |
| 21:46.03 | dudeman | lol |
| 21:46.08 | dudeman | alright |
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| 21:52.19 | streuner | apt, test |
| 21:52.20 | apt | Failed! |
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| 21:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're a failure! |
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| 21:57.10 | MARIUS453 | i want to install on my computer linux debian , i have one intel core 2 cpu, i have trust install it more times , can we help me, site download plese |
| 21:57.28 | dan-ny | bin auch mal weg byebye |
| 21:57.39 | wols_ | !etch |
| 21:57.39 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 21:58.35 | wols_ | MARIUS453: what chipest on your mainboard? |
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| 21:59.02 | MARIUS453 | 1 gb ddri |
| 21:59.08 | wols_ | ram is not a chipset |
| 21:59.25 | MARIUS453 | o sory |
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| 21:59.36 | MARIUS453 | what is the chipset |
| 22:00.12 | wols_ | MARIUS453: get this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:00.29 | wols_ | !tell MARIUS453 about ig |
| 22:00.35 | MARIUS453 | thanks wold |
| 22:00.40 | wols_ | and read the installguide at the url dpkg just messaged you |
| 22:00.53 | wols_ | !fr |
| 22:00.53 | dpkg | i guess fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:01.02 | wols_ | and go to this channel if you have problems. they speak french there |
| 22:01.19 | wols_ | #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:01.37 | MARIUS453 | thank you wols |
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| 22:02.58 | grand_grunt | Octalot: news of my ffmeg2theora compilation: I got many errors while compiling. |
| 22:03.31 | grand_grunt | ffmpeg2theora.c:xxxx: error: `struct ff2theora' has no member named yyyyy |
| 22:04.27 | rocketmaster | bye bye |
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| 22:06.51 | pikudo | pls some help anyone tried plip with parallel cable? |
| 22:07.12 | pikudo | linux 2 linux |
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| 22:07.27 | JDigital | Hullo |
| 22:07.41 | JDigital | Can anyone give me advice on securing a webserver? I'd like to be able to trust users with SSH access if needed. |
| 22:08.02 | Ace2016_- | lol |
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| 22:13.04 | grand_grunt | Octalot: My mistake, ffmpeg2theora provides .sh scripts to get what is needed. |
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| 22:32.26 | Arrick | Ace2016_-, I DETEST synaptic, if I wanted that I would have stayed with ubuntu lol |
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| 22:33.19 | dudeman | wise |
| 22:33.21 | Ace2016_- | you really don't like it? i love it, everything is so simple, especially seaching |
| 22:33.44 | Ace2016_- | but kio-apt is something i'll look into |
| 22:33.45 | stew | is that their latest release? ubuntu lol? |
| 22:34.00 | dudeman | lol |
| 22:34.32 | dudeman | its gotta have two names stew, first and last, like heggy hort and iffy oof.. |
| 22:35.25 | avu | lolling lullaby |
| 22:35.25 | Mundus | I thought they were supposed to start with the same letter too |
| 22:35.46 | dudeman | hmm it could be ubuntu lol rofl? |
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| 22:36.01 | dudeman | anyway |
| 22:36.01 | Mundus | Ie: NOOOO noobuntu |
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| 22:36.15 | dudeman | Arrick, actually aptitude search is very nice |
| 22:36.27 | dudeman | Arrick, aptitude isn't bad either |
| 22:36.35 | dudeman | +GUI |
| 22:37.04 | Mundus | I kinda like not using GUI |
| 22:37.09 | dudeman | Arrick, you should look into shell completion (zsh or bash) of package names |
| 22:37.22 | dudeman | Mundus, neither do I, but its not bad, is my point |
| 22:37.33 | themill | Mundus: aptitude is a command line replacement for apt-get too. aptitude install <packagename> etc |
| 22:37.39 | Kovensky | aptitude is the best frontend, actually... |
| 22:37.41 | Mundus | I know |
| 22:37.45 | dudeman | Arrick, tab-completion of package names |
| 22:37.49 | Mundus | I just haven't tried the GUI apps |
| 22:37.54 | Kovensky | there is a soc project to port aptitude to gtk |
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| 22:38.17 | dudeman | Arrick, that is about the most typing saving tool.. unless you don't mind using the mouse |
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| 22:38.47 | Mundus | aptitude has a big weakness though, if you use testing and aptitude it'll remove a lot of apps you want to keep sometimes, and stable is usually so outdated I'd rather find my good old slackware 8.0 disc |
| 22:38.48 | aptitude | Mundus: what are you talking about? |
| 22:38.51 | dudeman | Arrick, sometime it is irritating to have to use the mouse and mvoe my hands away from the keyboard, plus its just very convenient to have tab comletion in shell for package names |
| 22:40.04 | Mundus | aptitude: GUI frontends for aptitude or synaptic or wassnot, haven't tested them |
| 22:40.17 | dmoerner | Mundus: that's a bot. |
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| 22:40.37 | Mundus | Can't be, he talked to me |
| 22:40.52 | zinx | Mundus: it's a bot. |
| 22:40.58 | Kovensky | Mundus: ofc he talked to you |
| 22:40.59 | Kovensky | aptitude: hi |
| 22:40.59 | aptitude | hey |
| 22:41.06 | Arrick | dudeman, i typically dont run a gui on a *nix distro, its a server OS in my opinion |
| 22:41.06 | CcSsNET | lmfao |
| 22:41.21 | dmoerner | aptitude: how are you? |
| 22:41.21 | aptitude | dmoerner: mas o menos |
| 22:41.51 | Maliuta | Arrick: that an guis are for click-monkey-lusers :) |
| 22:42.08 | Mundus | Mas o menos? As in mexican? |
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| 22:42.59 | dondelelcaro | Mundus: uh... aptitude won't automatically remove applications if you're using testing unless you tell it to. |
| 22:43.16 | dondelelcaro | Mundus: it's pretty trivial to operate it correctly when you're using testing |
| 22:43.51 | Kovensky | aptitude will NEVER remove stuff without warning you about it on the status bar |
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| 22:43.57 | Mundus | Not automaticly, you get a cool warning which lists almost all of the apps installed |
| 22:44.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Mundus about unmarkauto |
| 22:44.21 | syntaxx | im having problem in my nfs. i tried mounting it it says reason given by server: permission denied any idea? |
| 22:44.26 | Mundus | I know about unmarkauto, I think aptitude told me once |
| 22:44.38 | themill | Mundus: so there's no problem. |
| 22:44.43 | dondelelcaro | Mundus: so you examine the solution, and if you don't like it, pick a different one |
| 22:44.52 | Mundus | I did, I use apt-get |
| 22:45.08 | Kovensky | Mundus: you try all solutions |
| 22:45.15 | Kovensky | and if a package breaks testing, report it! |
| 22:45.19 | Kovensky | don't just blame aptitude |
| 22:45.27 | Mundus | If my assumptions are correct then aptitude runs auto-remove often? |
| 22:45.42 | themill | only when you ask it to |
| 22:45.44 | dondelelcaro | Mundus: there's no difference in that regards; apt-get will also remove things that are automatically installed. |
| 22:45.44 | Mundus | Like when you install |
| 22:45.47 | streuner | syntaxx: is /etc/exports correct? |
| 22:46.51 | dondelelcaro | Mundus: any time the package state changes, it will check for packages that should be removed because they were automatically installed; if you want to keep them, mark them as manually installed. |
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| 22:47.00 | Mundus | dondelelcaro: I excaggerated with big weakness, I like aptitude as well, but if I don't use it I won't have to ask aptitude or google each time I forget about unmakauto |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | it has a manpage, you know... |
| 22:47.22 | streuner | syntaxx: show us what command you are using, /etc/exports in paste.debian.net please |
| 22:48.05 | Kovensky | Mundus: or change the configuration |
| 22:48.10 | Kovensky | to never autoremove stuff |
| 22:48.23 | Mundus | dondelelcaro: I suffer from the "stupid newbie user" virus, I ask first, get flamed for not googling/reading man pages, then feel like an idiot for half an hour |
| 22:48.37 | Kovensky | lol |
| 22:48.40 | Kovensky | dpkg: lol |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:48.51 | Kovensky | dpkg: bwahahaha |
| 22:48.51 | dpkg | Kovensky: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:48.58 | Kovensky | o_O |
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| 22:49.25 | syntaxx | streuner http://paste.debian.net/18367/ |
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| 22:50.01 | Kovensky | this is a bit offtopic, but do you believe that brazillian online game players think that "lol" means "crazy", instead of "laughter"? They even say "you're lol man"! |
| 22:50.17 | unop | !lol |
| 22:50.17 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:50.59 | grand_grunt | "lol" means "LOud Laugh", no? |
| 22:51.00 | streuner | syntaxx: and what command did you use? |
| 22:51.07 | Kovensky | grand_grunt: Laughing Out Loud |
| 22:51.15 | Kovensky | but the lusers don't know it :P |
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| 22:51.48 | Kovensky | because 'lol' sounds like the beginning of 'louco', and it means 'crazy' in portuguese... |
| 22:52.00 | syntaxx | streuner: on the client mount -t nfs server:/aopi/images /aopi/images |
| 22:52.37 | syntaxx | streuner: apparently im getting cannot export /aopi/images, possible unsupported filesystem or fsid= required in log |
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| 22:53.23 | flg | sup all |
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| 22:54.41 | flg | i got a problem... i'm installing ppc debian on imac indigo (summer 2000). i did LVM but i want to delete them again. it just doesnt work, whatever i try it shows me the LVM in the partitioner anytime. someone has an idea what to do? |
| 22:55.45 | flg | i made a picture with the partition table if someone wants to take a look |
| 22:55.55 | flg | VG's not found tools telling me... |
| 22:55.58 | Kovensky | dpkg: hah |
| 22:55.58 | dpkg | Kovensky: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 22:56.06 | superjoe30 | if I put a module in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ and then sudo depmod -a, will it automatically insert it into the kernel and probe it when I boot? |
| 22:56.36 | flg | i'm trying to fix it by loading the shell from the installer menu |
| 22:57.18 | streuner | syntaxx: testing? |
| 22:57.40 | flg | it says file descriptor 3, 4, 5 and 6 open, and 'no volume groups found' |
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| 22:57.51 | flg | when i try to use lvremove or vgremove |
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| 22:58.32 | Kovensky | flg: did you 'lvchange -a y /dev/Group/Volume'? |
| 22:58.37 | syntaxx | streuner: what testing? |
| 22:58.39 | Kovensky | the file doesn't have to exist |
| 22:58.41 | flg | lemme see |
| 22:59.02 | Kovensky | uses lvm |
| 22:59.18 | wols_ | syntaxx: etch or lenny or sid? |
| 22:59.28 | flg | i dont have /dev/Group |
| 22:59.38 | flg | ok lemme try |
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| 23:00.03 | syntaxx | wols_: oh etch |
| 23:00.15 | flg | volume group "Group" not found |
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| 23:00.24 | Kovensky | flg: the path doesn't have to exist; it just tells lvchange the volume group and the logical volume names in a way I know how to :P |
| 23:00.38 | flg | volume group "Group" not found |
| 23:00.42 | flg | it says |
| 23:01.34 | flg | is the partition table smthg like temporary? should i reboot? :S |
| 23:02.12 | streuner | syntaxx: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 23:03.15 | Kovensky | flg: you don't actually use 'Group' and 'Volume', you replace by the names you gave to them :) |
| 23:03.25 | ross` | excuse me, can anyone tell me how to block acc@domain.foo or just domain.foo with exim4 |
| 23:03.28 | ross` | im trying to eliminate my spam problem |
| 23:04.05 | flg | mk lemme see |
| 23:04.48 | flg | LVM VG imac, LV root & LVM VG imac, LV swap_1 |
| 23:05.02 | flg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.21 | streuner | syntaxx: server, of course |
| 23:05.27 | Kovensky | flg: pvdisplay |
| 23:05.55 | flg | just gives back file descriptor 3,4,5,6 left open |
| 23:06.01 | flg | purge them? |
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| 23:06.48 | Kovensky | flg: weird |
| 23:06.56 | Kovensky | it shows no physical volume? |
| 23:06.58 | flg | prolly restart from scratch :s |
| 23:06.59 | flg | no |
| 23:07.13 | flg | restart and first change hdd, 7gb is little small ;) |
| 23:07.23 | flg | then the hdd is fresh :) |
| 23:07.38 | flg | and i could wipe the one inside now on another system |
| 23:07.51 | flg | but opening this case i'm afraid of, lol |
| 23:08.10 | Kovensky | goes eat dinner, bbs |
| 23:08.52 | flg | good meal, thanks for help :) |
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| 23:12.29 | c0ldfusi0n | Hey peeps. I'd like to run a fsck on a remote system I'm logged onto. However I can't since every partition is mounted. Any way to force a FS check on reboot? |
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| 23:13.19 | polter | anyone know of a cheap linux-compatible expresscard->ethernet adapter? |
| 23:13.23 | dmoerner | c0ldfusi0n: touch /forcefsck |
| 23:13.58 | Lagbolt | c0ldfusi0n, yeah man shutdown . . . -F Force fsck on reboot. |
| 23:14.39 | c0ldfusi0n | Oh, sweet. |
| 23:14.41 | c0ldfusi0n | Thanks! |
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| 23:15.55 | themill | c0ldfusi0n: you might want to look at the FSCKFIX option in /etc/default/rcS before doing the reboot |
| 23:16.12 | c0ldfusi0n | Too late, it's down :P |
| 23:16.23 | c0ldfusi0n | And 1.25Tb should take some time :) |
| 23:16.32 | themill | better hope it doesn't find errors |
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| 23:16.44 | c0ldfusi0n | It's not *that* remote :P |
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| 23:25.28 | phyburn | if I want to use my debian box for my mail server but not my web server what cname record do I point to my debian box so it gets the mail? |
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| 23:28.31 | stew | phyburn: you use MX records for mail, you don't use CNAMEs for mail |
| 23:28.46 | phyburn | stew, what do I change then? |
| 23:28.59 | phyburn | OHH |
| 23:28.59 | phyburn | i see |
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| 23:34.02 | joltcan | and MX records should never point to CNAME's, only A's. |
| 23:34.35 | Maliuta | joltcan: you doing DNS 101? |
| 23:34.48 | Maliuta | joltcan: I'm doing that on another server :) |
| 23:35.13 | stew | actually 2821 allows MX records to point to CNAMES |
| 23:35.14 | joltcan | Maliuta: Hehe :) just some nice pointers |
| 23:35.29 | joltcan | Yeah, but mailservers tend to hate that |
| 23:35.37 | joltcan | so it's not worth it |
| 23:35.57 | Maliuta | joltcan: you mean some nice PTR's? ;) |
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| 23:36.37 | stew | joltcan: i'll bet you can't name a current one that can't handle an MX pointing to a CNAME |
| 23:37.02 | joltcan | Maliuta: ^5 |
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| 23:37.50 | joltcan | stew: Well, I know its enough of a common practise for the MTA filter to check that and throw away those mails |
| 23:38.34 | joltcan | but as long as stuff can be resolved that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 23:39.04 | roe_ | anyone use firehol here, and have an example of port forwarding through a nat? |
| 23:39.45 | stew | i don't think that is a common practice at all |
| 23:40.06 | roe_ | to port forward or to use firehol? |
| 23:40.21 | stew | roe_: not you, ignore me |
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| 23:40.34 | joltcan | stew: You would how ever not have any problems with that, so why make it more complex |
| 23:40.46 | roe_ | done |
| 23:41.51 | joltcan | goes to bed |
| 23:42.35 | joltcan | Maliuta: Oh, and I was of course thinking of http://xkcd.com/138/ :) |
| 23:42.38 | joltcan | *gone* |
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| 23:45.55 | JDigital | debian hackers: What's the worst a user can do if a non-sudoer SSH account on my system is password compromised? |
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| 23:47.30 | roe_ | JDigital, the worst is, of course, get root. But the ease of that will depend on what your box is running |
| 23:47.43 | grand_grunt | JDigital: run "uname -a" and search for a security hole that would allow him to get root |
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| 23:48.03 | zinx | roe_: from my perspective, the worst than can do is spam me and the rest of the internet. from yours, they can get root. |
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| 23:48.14 | zinx | s/than/they/ |
| 23:48.28 | skyrke | Hi, I'm trying to tweak my samba server. I got a external fat32 drive and can view the drive and all but I can't write to it as another user. The drive gets mounted as root and I think that's what I need to fix. I can't even chown to another user for the mounted directory. Any ideas? |
| 23:48.39 | grand_grunt | JDigital: google for "local root exploit" |
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| 23:49.48 | grand_grunt | skyrke: How do you access the drive? Is it a samba client, or directly connected to the machine? |
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| 23:50.13 | roe_ | zinx, not get root on my box |
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| 23:50.45 | skyrke | grand_grunt: the drive is connected to my server, and my samba client under windows can't write to the drive. |
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| 23:53.03 | skyrke | grand_grunt: under fstab I have... /dev/sda1 /mnt/netdrive vfat rw,user,group=mike 0 0 |
| 23:53.30 | JDigital | Alright, what's the worst they can do if they don't have a root exploit? |
| 23:53.45 | zinx | roe_: oops, meant to prefix with JDigital |
| 23:54.08 | zinx | JDigital: they do have one, but they can spam the entire internet with little or nothing on your box. |
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| 23:56.03 | grand_grunt | JDigital: They may (depending on your config) run fork bombs or fill /home |
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| 23:59.29 | grand_grunt | JDigital: did you ever tried a fork bomb? running ":(){ :|:& };: |
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| 23:59.46 | grand_grunt | JDigital: It crashes the computer TOTALLY |
