| 00:00.00 | JDigital | Can I set a thing to stop that |
| 00:00.10 | simonrvn | only if you're not able to stop it in some way ;) |
| 00:00.25 | grand_grunt | do not allow dumb users an access to your server.. |
| 00:00.26 | zinx | grand_grunt: erh, it doesn't stop it default debian afaik |
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| 00:00.37 | zinx | grand_grunt: at least here, there's a process limit by default |
| 00:00.57 | dustybin | if one uses a pci based graphics card, does linux still recognize it as a AGP card? |
| 00:01.02 | rdz | i all. i am building mplayer from source with amr support and i would like to create a ,deb package from it. since i want support for libamr, which i installed manually (not through apt), i get the following error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libamrnb.so.3 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer) |
| 00:01.06 | infinity1 | uhh ..where did config.gz go in lenny? |
| 00:01.12 | flg | kovensky? :D |
| 00:01.18 | grand_grunt | zinx: When the process limit is reached, the system is unusable.. |
| 00:01.27 | zinx | infinity1: same place it's always been, /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:01.31 | flg | imac upgraded, lol |
| 00:01.34 | JDigital | Surely a PHP script can do this |
| 00:01.38 | Kovensky | flg: speaketh |
| 00:01.51 | zinx | grand_grunt: uh, no |
| 00:01.53 | flg | did u finish eat? |
| 00:01.57 | flg | upgraded hdd ;) |
| 00:01.58 | zinx | grand_grunt: i'm not talking about the kernel's process limit |
| 00:01.59 | infinity1 | zinx: why not in /proc/config.gz anymore? |
| 00:02.01 | flg | what a puter! lawl |
| 00:02.04 | simonrvn | dustybin: why would a pci be seen as an agp card? |
| 00:02.26 | simonrvn | !lawl |
| 00:02.27 | dpkg | [lawl] the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
| 00:02.30 | grand_grunt | zinx: I'm talking of the default behaviour (without specifying a process limit for each user) |
| 00:02.42 | zinx | infinity1: 1) i don't think it's ever been that way, 2) that bloats the kernel, 3) it's only accessable for the running kernel |
| 00:03.06 | dustybin | simonrvn: im trying to get suspend to ram working using a PCI nvidia graphics card, ive found a howto, but it seems to be only for AGP: http://en.opensuse.org/NVidia_Suspend_HOWTO#How_to_use_suspend_to_disk_or_RAM_with_the_binary_NVidia_drivers |
| 00:03.26 | infinity1 | zinx: etch has both. /boot/config* and /proc/config.gz |
| 00:03.28 | JDigital | Can you set a per-user process quota |
| 00:03.36 | dustybin | so i was wondering if the linux kernel uses AGP modules, even if the card is in a PCI slot |
| 00:03.39 | infinity1 | zinx: i liked having it in proc |
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| 00:03.48 | flg | now i just have to get proper partitioning (hfs boot partition :s) |
| 00:03.51 | simonrvn | dustybin: whether it's pci or agp doesn't matter, what matters is whether or not the card can support whatever you're doing. |
| 00:04.10 | grand_grunt | JDigital: yes, google "fork bomb". I saw the cure on French Wikipedia |
| 00:04.12 | kurgon | what is the easiest ftpd to use that will allow me to SIMPLY add a user with a password to a CERTIAN directory? this user will not have shell access. |
| 00:04.12 | dustybin | simonrvn: its a PCI Nvidia 6200 card, pretty standard |
| 00:04.28 | JDigital | great, French websites will be protected |
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| 00:05.02 | grand_grunt | JDigital: I was meaning, if french doc is available, english doc will be available too |
| 00:05.02 | dustybin | simonrvn: if i issue: s2ram -f, the machine suspends, but when i resume it by pressing the power button, im presented with a blank screen |
| 00:05.50 | dustybin | something needs to be sent to my PCI interface to wake up my nvidia card |
| 00:06.10 | grand_grunt | JDigital: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Prevention |
| 00:06.14 | simonrvn | seems so. i haven't done this, so /me no clue |
| 00:06.29 | kurgon | any thoughts? |
| 00:06.44 | dustybin | simonrvn: suspend to ram = save booting up + save power |
| 00:06.52 | dustybin | = good |
| 00:06.58 | simonrvn | kurgon: what you're asking makes no sense |
| 00:07.06 | flg | http://www.scribd.com/doc/103447/iMac-G3-Disassembly-Guide |
| 00:07.07 | flg | haha |
| 00:07.11 | simonrvn | dustybin: i know what it is, just not how to set it up ;) |
| 00:07.21 | kurgon | simonrvn i just want a simple ftpd that will allow me to add a user to access a certian directory -- this user will not have shell access |
| 00:07.33 | dustybin | simonrvn: apt-get install powersaved :-) |
| 00:07.37 | simonrvn | imacs aren't hard to take apart, just a royal pita |
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| 00:08.26 | simonrvn | kurgon: so set that user's home dir to where you want, and set it up. vsftpd, pure-ftpd... |
| 00:08.29 | simonrvn | !ftp must die |
| 00:08.30 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 00:08.50 | kurgon | simonrvn what is super noob friendly? i mean.. super noob ;) |
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| 00:09.10 | simonrvn | !ftp must die |
| 00:09.10 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:09.14 | simonrvn | use sftp |
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| 00:09.38 | kurgon | it has to be a regular ftp |
| 00:09.53 | dustybin | if you use sftp, you might as well use sshfs |
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| 00:11.19 | flg | simonrvn ur right, i just wondered the interieur design ;) |
| 00:11.31 | flg | and the guide has all parts howto/replace |
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| 00:11.38 | simonrvn | cramped ;) |
| 00:12.04 | flg | and new hdd is a lot(!) faster than the one before ;) |
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| 00:12.35 | flg | quantum fireball 7gb was the former/original, lol |
| 00:13.20 | flg | now debian installer doesnt rant about missing mac/hfs boot partition anymore... or it just does AFTER installing base system, lol... i dont remember |
| 00:13.51 | flg | whats the kernel used in 4.0r4a? |
| 00:14.03 | flg | 2.6....what? |
| 00:14.24 | richo | flg: 2.6.18 |
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| 00:14.49 | richo | hmmmm |
| 00:14.54 | flg | thanks |
| 00:15.00 | richo | machine keeps oopsing while debootstrapping. stupid vm |
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| 00:15.50 | simonrvn | flg: yikes. what's the new one? |
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| 00:16.29 | chris4585 | anyone know if apturl downloads packages only from your repo or does it download straight from http ? |
| 00:16.53 | flg | 40gb IBM |
| 00:17.34 | flg | usb wlan -> 'Linux 2.6.18-rc1 and newer' driver included... so it should be in 4.0r4a, right? |
| 00:17.44 | flg | .18 yes, sry ;) |
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| 00:18.24 | roe_ | anyone else experience a bug in iceweasel that disallows printing? |
| 00:18.30 | flg | i wonder for what i need install discs 2-22 lol |
| 00:18.40 | flg | (cant put puter online) |
| 00:19.20 | roe_ | I can print from icedove but not iceweasel |
| 00:19.20 | gpm | hi all. if i install lenny with a lenny netinst CD from the d-i page, will the kernel that's installed have the rt73usb driver? i need it to use my wireless card and download whatever else i want to install. |
| 00:19.21 | flg | already having discs 1-8 |
| 00:20.41 | flg | downloading 9&10 now... arghhh lol |
| 00:20.46 | flg | not even HALF the discs |
| 00:21.13 | flg | and running out of space soon =P |
| 00:21.15 | prolix | dances |
| 00:21.35 | flg | makes the square dance |
| 00:22.10 | prolix | do-si-do-i386-10gallonhat |
| 00:23.06 | simonrvn | coughs loudly 'wtf?' |
| 00:23.27 | flg | wtf! |
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| 00:24.05 | flg | for what are 22 install cds??? |
| 00:24.35 | flg | 13gb??! |
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| 00:24.57 | flg | wpa rainbow tables? :P |
| 00:25.13 | prolix | for people who operate on dedicated networks? |
| 00:25.23 | Lirezh | wtf i am too tried i guess Oo I just created a NEW 1024 bit rsa id for ssh authorized_keys. but i have a server which can still login at that host now |
| 00:25.30 | flg | its still using disc1.. |
| 00:25.31 | Lirezh | ssh seems to open the doors without any reason |
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| 00:26.07 | Lirezh | correction : 2 different servers that can log in |
| 00:26.32 | Lirezh | ssh in debug mode tells me the public key was accepted .. anyone ANY idea ? I have never seen that |
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| 00:27.33 | gpm | if i install lenny with a lenny netinst CD from the d-i website, will the kernel that's installed have the rt73usb driver? i need it to use my wireless card and download the rest of the junk i want to install (that isn't on the netinst cd) |
| 00:30.59 | Ace2016_- | is there a swap space limit? |
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| 00:34.22 | gpm | if anyone is wondering, the answer to my question is yes |
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| 00:35.14 | gpm | damn it feels good to be a gangsta |
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| 00:45.23 | mxmx | does anyone use directadmin in their box? |
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| 00:49.06 | Lirezh | I am stillt rying to locate the problem |
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| 00:49.22 | Lirezh | it's not the ssh server. . i installed another ssh server with same phenomenon.. |
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| 00:49.42 | Lirezh | are there kernel backdoors that are so advanced ? |
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| 00:50.35 | dr1v3r | guys whats the command to search for installed packages and where it shows the directory in the output? |
| 00:50.54 | dmoerner | dr1v3r: dpkg -S file will show which package contains that file in what directory |
| 00:50.57 | JW | What Debian package do I need to install to get /usr/src/linux/include on Etch? |
| 00:51.09 | dmoerner | JW: linux-source-2.6.18 probably |
| 00:51.27 | dr1v3r | thanks dmoerner |
| 00:51.38 | JW | Ok. I've always found the kernel source/header/include packages confusing on Debian. |
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| 00:52.04 | dondelelcaro | JW: unless you're buildling something related to the kernel, you actually want linux-kernel-headers or linux-libc-dev |
| 00:52.34 | JW | dondelelcaro: I'm just trying to install vmware tools inside a guest OS< it's demanding /usr/src/linux/include |
| 00:52.41 | dondelelcaro | JW: otherwise, you want the appropriate linux-headers-NNN; package for the kernel that you want to build modules against. [Using module-assistant is the trivial way to do this] |
| 00:52.42 | JW | dondelelcaro: I've already got the headers package installed |
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| 00:53.23 | dondelelcaro | JW: open-vm-wtools; is most likely what you want. |
| 00:53.38 | dondelelcaro | JW: it's already packaged, and you don't need to build it |
| 00:54.08 | JW | dondelelcaro: didn't know about. It's got to be the latest version for VMWare 6.0 and I sincerely doubt that Etch comes with anythign that modern |
| 00:54.17 | JW | but I'll check ;-) |
| 00:54.51 | Wyzard | JW: VMware Workstation 6.5 was released a few days ago, btw |
| 00:55.03 | windowshasyou | anyone else having trouble getting kopete .60.x to connect to a chat room |
| 00:55.05 | windowshasyou | ? |
| 00:55.25 | JW | Wyzard: heh, didn't notice. I just bought workstation 6.0.5 abouta week ago |
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| 00:55.41 | JW | Wyzard: is it s free upgrade from 6.0? |
| 00:55.57 | Wyzard | JW: yeah, only major versions (e.g. 7.x) require a new license |
| 00:56.04 | JW | great. |
| 00:56.10 | JW | Thanks for the heads up. |
| 00:57.05 | Wyzard | JW: The download link is a little hard to find though, and 6.0's "check for updates" doesn't seem to notice 6.5 yet... go to vmware.com, find the product page for Workstation, and at the bottom of the right column there's a "download info" link |
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| 00:58.08 | dondelelcaro | JW: in any event, you want the linux-headers package that corresponds to the kernel that you're running if you're not going to use the open-vm-tools implementation |
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| 00:59.07 | JW | dondelelcaro: I hope apt would be smart enough to install the correct version but I'll check, thanks. |
| 00:59.42 | Wyzard | There are metapackages for linux-headers just like there are for linux-image |
| 01:00.05 | Wyzard | Install the metapackage and whenever there's a new kernel you'll get the headers for it too |
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| 01:02.42 | JW | Wyzard: pretty sure that's what I did. I'll check when linux-source finishes installing |
| 01:03.35 | Wyzard | You don't need linux-source |
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| 01:04.16 | JW | Wyzard: I must have missed something: What do I need then? linux-kernel-headers did not provide what I needed |
| 01:04.40 | JW | And apt says there's no such package as linux-libc-dev |
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| 01:05.02 | Wyzard | JW: What does "uname -r" say? |
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| 01:06.12 | JW | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 01:06.51 | JW | linux-kernel-headers did install the wrong version too. Duh |
| 01:07.03 | Wyzard | linux-kernel-header is for different things |
| 01:07.44 | JW | yeah so what /do/ I need? |
| 01:07.48 | Wyzard | Your kernel came from a package called linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686, and the corresponding headers package is linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 01:08.22 | Wyzard | but rather than installing that directly, install linux-headers-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 01:08.23 | flg | finally, debian ppc on imac indigo! :D but.... ! on start the gnome applets failed to load... any help? |
| 01:09.03 | Wyzard | That's a metapackage which makes sure you always have the latest headers (like linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf does for the kernel itself) |
| 01:09.19 | JW | Yes I see |
| 01:10.02 | Wyzard | That should be all you need for compiling kernel modules against the packaged kernel; no linux-source needed |
| 01:10.15 | JW | There's no open-vm-wtools package in Etch either |
| 01:10.23 | JW | Wyzard: ok I'll try it |
| 01:10.56 | rdz | where does dh_shlibdeps find dependency information? |
| 01:11.25 | Wyzard | rdz: from the executables themselves, the way the "ldd" program does |
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| 01:12.42 | rdz | Wyzard, i get: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libamrnb.so.3 when trying to create an mplayer.deb . |
| 01:12.59 | rdz | is there a way i could skip that information? |
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| 01:13.15 | mephux | anyone in here know how to install apt-get on tuxbox? |
| 01:13.17 | rdz | Wyzard, if it is within the binary, i don't know how to edit it |
| 01:13.20 | JW | Wyzard: ok, so I take it I need to symlink one o fthese to /usr/src/linux - which one? they look like they contain the same directories - both of them have an "include" dir |
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| 01:14.02 | Wyzard | JW: nope, no need for that either |
| 01:14.20 | JW | Wyzard: I gotta have a /usr/src/linux/include to make the vmware tools happy |
| 01:14.25 | Wyzard | JW: Kernel headers are found automatically through the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink |
| 01:14.41 | Wyzard | JW: vmware-configure looks for that, and only falls back to /usr/src/linux/include if the build symlink doesn't exist |
| 01:14.42 | JW | Wyzard: maybe normally but not this time :-D |
| 01:14.49 | JW | hmm |
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| 01:15.03 | Wyzard | JW: If it's asking you for headers and the default is /usr/src/linux/include, it means you don't have the headers package installed |
| 01:15.17 | JW | Wyzard: I didn't when I first started. |
| 01:15.44 | JW | I was trying to install whatever it wanted without restarting the vmware-tools install but oh well. |
| 01:15.57 | Wyzard | You can type in the path manually, or just cancel the script and run it again |
| 01:16.11 | JW | I'll do that. |
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| 01:25.32 | vyrus001 | anybody remember a winblows program that let you drag and drop codecs into a flowchart and then hit "play" and use the connections to transcode media? |
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| 01:26.51 | Lirezh | ssh in debug mode tells me the public key was accepted .. (this happens from 2 of my servers) but the authorized_keys file contains a completely new generated key !!! How is this possible? |
| 01:27.45 | akurei | vyrus001: SUPER |
| 01:28.19 | akurei | Lirezh: subkeys? |
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| 01:29.54 | Lirezh | akurei: what do you mean by subkey ? |
| 01:31.08 | akurei | dunno, i also had problems with ssh and RSA, and I think it used a subkey instead of the main key. |
| 01:31.29 | akurei | that would explain your problems |
| 01:32.11 | Wyzard | vyrus001: DirectShow filter graph editor |
| 01:32.16 | Wyzard | vyrus001: GStreamer has something similar |
| 01:32.28 | Lirezh | hmm |
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| 01:33.47 | cafuego | Lirezh: When did you last update sshd? |
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| 01:35.18 | Lirezh | it's pretty new cafu |
| 01:35.25 | Lirezh | the problem is on a dedicated server |
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| 01:36.02 | superlinux | hi all |
| 01:36.10 | superlinux | anyone there? |
| 01:36.33 | superlinux | where is the phonebook application in KDE? |
| 01:36.37 | Lirezh | OpenSSH_4.3p2 |
| 01:37.56 | cafuego | Lirezh: So it lets ypou in even though you didn't add your public key to the autorized_keys file? or what? |
| 01:39.56 | mmlj4 | phonebook? |
| 01:40.11 | mmlj4 | kontact? |
| 01:40.42 | vyrus001 | Wyzard: yea i found it.. called graphedt |
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| 01:41.10 | superlinux | mmlj4, could be |
| 01:41.33 | superlinux | cos i backedup my mobile phonebook |
| 01:41.58 | Lirezh | Yes cafuego |
| 01:42.38 | Lirezh | The whole thing is very very disturbing atm |
| 01:43.21 | Lirezh | it is possible akurei is correct, but i never heard about a subkey. This behaviour would be very unexpected |
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| 01:45.14 | Kjoonlee | waaaaaah I want gimp NOW!! |
| 01:45.31 | Kjoonlee | (sorry) |
| 01:45.31 | akurei | what stops you? |
| 01:45.39 | JW | Kjoonlee: welcome to debian ;-d |
| 01:45.56 | Kjoonlee | akurei: apt-get source gimp doesn't give me gimp 2.6 |
| 01:46.37 | superlinux | mmlj4, my phonebook can be read in Outlook, so which kde office program can read that format? |
| 01:46.43 | Lirezh | hmm damn |
| 01:46.52 | Lirezh | I changed the main ssh host keys |
| 01:46.57 | superlinux | mmlj4, my phonebook can be read and imported to Outlook, so which kde office program can read that format? |
| 01:47.12 | superlinux | Lirezh, any clue? |
| 01:47.20 | Lirezh | You remember when i said 2 computers can enter my server without proper key ? now one of them is locked out, the other one STILL can enter! |
| 01:47.51 | akurei | compile it then =D |
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| 01:48.29 | dr1v3r | is teher anyone here that is able to tell me how i get the gui up on fwbuilder please? |
| 01:52.08 | Kjoonlee | akurei: nah I think I'll stop whining and wait patiently :) |
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| 01:53.03 | beia_ | !alsa |
| 01:53.03 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:56.07 | curz0r | anyone know how to make deb (ubuntu) packages from tar.gz's ? |
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| 01:56.32 | avu | curz0r, ask #ubuntu |
| 01:56.33 | richo | curz0r: why are you asking about ubuntu in #debian? |
| 01:56.44 | JordiGH | How can I get rid of usplash? I have two kernels, 2.6.24 and 2.6.26. I'v uninstalled the usplash package, but I still have a bootsplash with the .24 kernel. |
| 01:56.49 | curz0r | aren't packages for ubuntu same as debian? |
| 01:56.58 | JordiGH | curz0r: No. |
| 01:57.05 | curz0r | sh**, my bad. |
| 01:57.09 | JordiGH | shit, son. |
| 01:57.10 | richo | similar, but ubuntu != debian |
| 01:57.12 | JordiGH | s'ok. |
| 01:57.20 | curz0r | I know ubuntu != debian. |
| 01:57.23 | JordiGH | curz0r: But you may like to know about checkinstall. |
| 01:57.27 | richo | hah, JordiGH == Jordi GH from d-u ? |
| 01:57.41 | curz0r | I figured I'd get more intelligent answers here rather than someone telling my to run Synaptic. |
| 01:57.42 | JordiGH | !tell curz0r about checkinstall |
| 01:57.55 | JordiGH | richo: Very observant, yes. |
| 01:58.20 | richo | I always forget that people who exist online often exist in several concurrent places online xD |
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| 01:58.44 | JordiGH | richo: I don't see why you should be surprised; evidently you do it too. Awfully solipsistic of you, I must say. |
| 01:59.08 | richo | *shrug* |
| 01:59.13 | JordiGH | But seriously folks, I gotta kill that ghey pink bootsplash. |
| 01:59.20 | JordiGH | It's messing up my tty groove. |
| 01:59.35 | richo | i'd say it's in your initrd |
| 01:59.36 | acecase | I just installed debian minimal (no Xorg) and I can't find how to enable higher res (vga=795) and colors. Anybody know? |
| 01:59.42 | richo | regenerate it without the usplash packafe |
| 01:59.52 | JordiGH | richo: No doubt; how do I generate an initrd without usplash? |
| 01:59.55 | JordiGH | update-initrd? |
| 01:59.57 | curz0r | JordiGH: thanks, I'm surprised I haven't run into this earlier :/ *sigh* |
| 02:00.02 | JordiGH | I don't know how to use it. |
| 02:00.09 | richo | JordiGH: yeah should do, if you've definately hosed all of usplash |
| 02:00.15 | richo | i don't use initrd's |
| 02:00.23 | superfirelord42 | What about removing splash from the menu.lst of grub? |
| 02:00.31 | richo | that's probably a good point |
| 02:00.38 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: The splash is in the initrd. |
| 02:00.55 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: I need an initrd without the blue-pink pastel gheyness. |
| 02:01.00 | dr1v3r | is teher anyone here that is able to tell me how i get the gui to start on fwbuilder please? |
| 02:01.09 | richo | try update-initrd |
| 02:01.24 | richo | or pull apart the postinst hooks for usplash to find out what it did |
| 02:01.34 | JordiGH | Hrm. |
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| 02:01.42 | JordiGH | Lessee... |
| 02:02.37 | curz0r | thanks guys.. |
| 02:02.54 | richo | np |
| 02:02.59 | curz0r | sulkingly walks back to #ubuntu with the rest of the newbs. |
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| 02:03.02 | acecase | what would I look for to find info on getting the "pretty" background and high res for a cli only debian box? it isn't vesafb is it? |
| 02:03.16 | JordiGH | acecase: Dude, it's so ghey. |
| 02:03.18 | richo | hahaha |
| 02:03.24 | richo | funny you should ask xD |
| 02:03.24 | JordiGH | acecase: I'm trying to kill it myself. |
| 02:03.31 | acecase | lol don't ask don't tell man. :) |
| 02:03.37 | acecase | why? |
| 02:03.46 | acecase | I at least want a high res |
| 02:03.53 | richo | now, why on earth is the etch kernel oopsing during debootstrap |
| 02:03.59 | JordiGH | acecase: My ttys aren't working with it. And just now X was overwhelmed by the gheyness and wouldn't start at all. |
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| 02:04.04 | richo | acecase: pass the vga= paramater to the kernel |
| 02:04.22 | richo | 788 is 800x600 |
| 02:04.24 | richo | i forget the rest |
| 02:04.26 | JordiGH | acecase: Yeah, high res in ttys can be done with the vga param, no need for the pink-blue screen of ultimate gheyness. |
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| 02:04.30 | acecase | richo I passed it vga=795 and it still looks like 791 |
| 02:04.33 | JordiGH | 791 usually works. |
| 02:04.40 | richo | o.0 |
| 02:04.41 | JordiGH | 791 not high enough for you? |
| 02:04.51 | acecase | 791 is too low |
| 02:05.12 | acecase | I see about 26 lines of text like this |
| 02:05.18 | richo | erm |
| 02:05.20 | JordiGH | wtf |
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| 02:05.26 | richo | should swap space show up in `mount` ? |
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| 02:05.46 | acecase | the reason I came here to ask is that vga=795 had no effect |
| 02:05.48 | superfirelord42 | richo, should show if you do a free -m |
| 02:06.02 | JordiGH | Hrm. |
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| 02:06.06 | beia_ | !firefox |
| 02:06.06 | dpkg | firefox is probably replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:06.08 | superfirelord42 | wont show individual drives if i recall |
| 02:06.12 | JordiGH | update-initrd doesn't want to touch my initram because it's been altered. |
| 02:06.20 | JordiGH | Am I about to make my system unbootable? |
| 02:06.24 | JordiGH | ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT |
| 02:06.26 | beia_ | !iceweasel |
| 02:06.26 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:06.34 | JordiGH | !tell beia_ about self tell |
| 02:06.42 | acecase | lol "Leroy Jenkins!!!" |
| 02:07.20 | JordiGH | Great... |
| 02:07.25 | acecase | ima try something. type at you guys later |
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| 02:07.27 | superfirelord42 | JordiGH, I wonder if there is a --force for update-initrd |
| 02:07.31 | JordiGH | update-initramfs claims to have touched my initramfs. |
| 02:07.40 | richo | JordiGH: my fingers are crossed |
| 02:07.51 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: There is. Wonder if I just hosed my system. Well, at least I have another kernel I can boot. |
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| 02:08.07 | superfirelord42 | I was about to ask, do you have a backup of the original initrd? |
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| 02:08.42 | bluefoxx | so i have a old sparc classic i was given, with a few extras. still works, minus no info for logging in. i however, wish to install debian on it, and use it as a IRC terminal, for me to chat on as well as logging channels |
| 02:08.42 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
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| 02:08.46 | JordiGH | I backed it up. |
| 02:08.51 | JordiGH | brb (I hope) |
| 02:08.57 | bluefoxx | problem is, i cant get it to boot the debain sparc cdrom |
| 02:09.20 | superfirelord42 | crosses fingers |
| 02:09.20 | bluefoxx | does anybody feel patient enough to walk me through installing debian onto it? |
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| 02:10.20 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hmm, is it not trying to boot it at all and skipping it, or is it failing when it tries to boot on it? |
| 02:10.25 | richo | hmm |
| 02:10.30 | karlpinc | bluefoxx : That's sorta what the installation manual is for. You might get more help if you have a specific question. (If I had that problem on a x86 box I'd pxeboot and install that way, but I dunno about sparc.) |
| 02:11.33 | bluefoxx | well i type boot cdrom at the ok prompt, and it resets, and tries the external sun scsi cd drive, then tells me scsi device 6,0 is not responding, can't open boot device |
| 02:12.01 | superfirelord42 | karlpinc, sparcs have a rarp system to do the remote installs with.. similar to pxe, but not quite, from what i have heard, nightmare to set up... |
| 02:12.05 | bluefoxx | it has no floppy drive ATM, im going to obtain a pair of others to pull/swap parts from |
| 02:12.17 | bluefoxx | has 96 megs ram and a 1.4 gig drive in it i belive |
| 02:12.23 | superfirelord42 | is it an internal CDROM or an external? |
| 02:12.27 | bluefoxx | external |
| 02:12.31 | richo | watches his machine gear up for an oops |
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| 02:13.09 | richo | hmmm.. |
| 02:13.09 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, i seem to recall an issue with some sparcs and external cdrom drives to isntall stuff... |
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| 02:13.15 | JordiGH | Yay, that worked. |
| 02:13.16 | richo | JordiGH: success? |
| 02:13.20 | richo | sweet |
| 02:13.20 | bluefoxx | its a sparc classic in the lunchboxstyle case |
| 02:13.21 | jsoftw | Can Debian IA64 running Xen Dom0, can it run DomU's which are in 32 bit? |
| 02:13.25 | JordiGH | I have unghey white on black text now. |
| 02:13.32 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, but i dont remember the details and I dont remember what version i was on that had issues with it for me. |
| 02:13.38 | richo | buys JordiGH a beer |
| 02:13.49 | JordiGH | Srsly, folks, who came up with that pastel colour for the bootsplash? |
| 02:13.50 | bluefoxx | i only have one scdi cd drive, its in the [[well]] sealed sun casing |
| 02:13.55 | superfirelord42 | congradulates JordiGH |
| 02:14.01 | JordiGH | A winner is me! |
| 02:14.33 | flg | fsck |
| 02:14.54 | bluefoxx | damn, so i cant install from a external cdrom? |
| 02:14.55 | richo | FARK |
| 02:14.57 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, ahh, i am used to the spac server type machines, so i cannot even picture in my head what you are talking about... |
| 02:15.09 | bluefoxx | what if i figured out a way to make it look internal to the sun? |
| 02:15.11 | bluefoxx | oh |
| 02:15.13 | bluefoxx | errm |
| 02:15.13 | bluefoxx | wait |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 02:15.23 | dpkg | it has been said that sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or ... |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | and yes you can |
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| 02:15.54 | richo | ok, i'm wasting huge bandwidth with all these bloody debootstrap |
| 02:16.00 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, do you have a debian machine in the area? you may want to look up using netinstall on it... |
| 02:16.19 | superfirelord42 | well any linux machine, but the tut i have seen before was for debian... |
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| 02:16.57 | bluefoxx | i dont have any working linux box in my home ATM |
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| 02:17.09 | acecase | k got the res thing :) |
| 02:17.14 | bluefoxx | was sadly forced back to windows |
| 02:17.32 | JordiGH | THE POWER OF TUX COMPELLS YOU! |
| 02:17.42 | bluefoxx | hehe |
| 02:17.44 | acecase | one last thing if anyone knows. I installed sudo. Now how to I make it so that noone can login as root directly? |
| 02:17.47 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hmm, i guess try #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net as dpkg sugested... |
| 02:17.56 | JordiGH | acecase: sudo passwd -l |
| 02:17.59 | bluefoxx | one of the reasons i wnat the sparc back |
| 02:18.06 | richo | sudo.. ewww |
| 02:18.07 | acecase | JordiGH thanks :) |
| 02:18.19 | JordiGH | ace2001ac: Or just fill root's password with some unhashable junk, like a ! (which is exactly what passwd -l will do) |
| 02:18.19 | bluefoxx | btw, theres almost nobody in that channel |
| 02:18.26 | acecase | JordiGH did it reboot? |
| 02:18.33 | JordiGH | acecase: Yeah, all's good. |
| 02:18.42 | acecase | gz |
| 02:18.43 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hold on, ill join you... |
| 02:18.51 | bluefoxx | kk |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | bluefoxx: no one? or no one active? |
| 02:19.14 | acecase | JordiGH did you catch what I was saying before "Leroy Jenkins!!" |
| 02:19.28 | superfirelord42 | wow, like as in 14 people total |
| 02:19.59 | JordiGH | acecase: Nope, sorry. |
| 02:20.03 | JordiGH | is a little drunk, to be honest. |
| 02:20.12 | richo | a little?! you pansy |
| 02:20.15 | Decretum | lol same JordiGH |
| 02:20.20 | richo | kernel changes need to be made while borderline unconscious |
| 02:20.22 | Decretum | I was just thinking the same thing haha |
| 02:20.22 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hmm, its the dev channel...have you already asked your question? |
| 02:20.30 | Decretum | I wish I could stay drunk for the rest of my life.. |
| 02:20.32 | bluefoxx | yes |
| 02:20.38 | Decretum | w/ a bottle of tequila/whisky.. and just be happy |
| 02:21.00 | acecase | :) you should youtube it. Watch the whole thing and pay attn to all the care the team is putting into an attach. You said "Only one way to find out" made me think about the end of that. Its freekin hillarious |
| 02:21.14 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, what model did you say the sparc was? |
| 02:21.27 | bluefoxx | sparc classic, 96 megs ram |
| 02:21.34 | bluefoxx | external cdrom |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | the CPU matters |
| 02:22.09 | bluefoxx | cant boot any live cd, or log into the existing debian install |
| 02:22.45 | bluefoxx | its running debian 2/3.something, wait lemie boot that |
| 02:23.00 | JordiGH | Oh. that. |
| 02:23.09 | richo | ahh bastard |
| 02:23.22 | richo | on the upside i can rule out the usb passthrough |
| 02:23.24 | bluefoxx | 2.86 |
| 02:23.29 | bluefoxx | i think |
| 02:23.50 | acecase | lol I never played WoW but "Leroy Jenkins" is my new favorite saying for "F*** it less go" :) |
| 02:23.56 | richo | debates building debootstrap on a gentoo machine so he can have a debian box... urgh |
| 02:24.52 | richo | wow |
| 02:24.56 | richo | it's in the portage tree |
| 02:24.58 | richo | AWESOME |
| 02:25.25 | acecase | OK I have pretty color text and high res so ima call it a night. Thanks for having me * Type at yahs later |
| 02:26.08 | prolix | i wonder how many minutes a year i save by using the command line versus a gui, or using precompiled binaries over constant builds? |
| 02:26.46 | windowshasyou | prolix: I think I save about an hour every day |
| 02:27.06 | jsoftw | prolix: *shrug* |
| 02:27.25 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hmmm, i just am not as familiar with the sparc classic, i hope someone else can give you a hand on that one... |
| 02:27.58 | jsoftw | Dirty old sparcs eh :) Alomst paperweights now |
| 02:28.58 | bluefoxx | im trying something new |
| 02:29.11 | bluefoxx | i opened it up, and stuck in a 3-drop cable |
| 02:29.25 | bluefoxx | added a 50pin >50pin HD adaptor |
| 02:29.34 | bluefoxx | and plugged the cdrom cable to that |
| 02:30.27 | bluefoxx | scsiid for cdrom set to 3, as is standard i belive |
| 02:30.40 | bluefoxx | and ends with same messages >> |
| 02:30.45 | JordiGH | Are we ontopic? |
| 02:31.07 | superfirelord42 | JordiGH, ?, yeah, debian on sparc |
| 02:31.17 | infinity1 | is there a way to check that a package has its files installed? like verify a package installation? |
| 02:31.37 | bluefoxx | does boot cdrom automatically tell it to search for a boot file or should it be something like boot cdrom/debian |
| 02:31.45 | infinity1 | i want to know if there are any files missing or changed that are part of a package |
| 02:31.56 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: Oh, I thought we were hardhacking a sparc. |
| 02:32.28 | JordiGH | infinity1: The files are there; aptitude will have some sort of fit if they're not. |
| 02:32.33 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, i think it should find the bootloader, maybe make sure you are using the right cd's is all i can think of |
| 02:33.03 | bluefoxx | superfirelord42, well the bootloader is siloo something |
| 02:33.21 | superfirelord42 | JordiGH, hahah, yeah, i wouldnt do that , i can picture the flames from here.. |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | infinity1: debsums |
| 02:33.36 | bluefoxx | silo version 1.4.9 |
| 02:34.48 | superfirelord42 | do you think its not finding the bootloader, or its failing to load the kernel? |
| 02:35.04 | bluefoxx | well it boots off the hard disk fine |
| 02:35.13 | bluefoxx | but fails to boot the external cdrom |
| 02:35.21 | bluefoxx | i burned the iso for sparc |
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| 02:35.57 | JDigital | How do I have a process start as a non-root user on boot |
| 02:36.00 | bluefoxx | used a standard cd-r, verified the data |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | JDigital: su -c |
| 02:36.51 | JDigital | uh-huh |
| 02:36.53 | JDigital | and how do I do that on boot |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | !tell JDigital about run at startup |
| 02:37.13 | JordiGH | JDigital: Put it in one of the initlevels. |
| 02:37.16 | JDigital | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:37.42 | bluefoxx | damn it has a old hdd.... |
| 02:37.49 | bluefoxx | half height lol |
| 02:37.59 | bluefoxx | though, the externals i plan to use are older i bet |
| 02:38.10 | bluefoxx | full hieght 9 gig seagates |
| 02:38.19 | superfirelord42 | bluefoxx, hmm, read something online about the block size on the cd sometimes causing issues... |
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| 02:38.31 | bluefoxx | oh? |
| 02:38.32 | superfirelord42 | "Your CDROM player's block size should be setted up on 512." |
| 02:38.40 | bluefoxx | how do i do that? |
| 02:38.46 | bluefoxx | im stuck in windows using nero |
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| 02:39.03 | bluefoxx | been that way since i fixed this machine and linux stopped working at all |
| 02:39.06 | superfirelord42 | i have no idea... i am not even sure what they mean... |
| 02:39.11 | bluefoxx | heh |
| 02:39.22 | superfirelord42 | im taking that from http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/SPARC-HOWTO.html#s8 |
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| 02:39.55 | bluefoxx | brb, bio refresh break |
| 02:40.03 | JordiGH | You'll be apalled to learn, abrotman, that I very likely landed a job sysadminning Debian. |
| 02:40.19 | JordiGH | swigs a beer in celebration. |
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| 02:41.40 | JDigital | How much do you need to debian before you land jobs sysadminning it |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: in .mx ? |
| 02:42.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: in .ca |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: near almost-ex? |
| 02:42.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: girlfriend? |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | whatever :) |
| 02:42.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, well, several exes here. |
| 02:42.46 | jsoftw | JordiGH: exactly 3 years, 4 days, and 23 minutes. |
| 02:42.58 | JordiGH | jsoftw: What's what? |
| 02:43.04 | JordiGH | that? |
| 02:43.14 | jsoftw | JordiGH: erm, JDigital, even |
| 02:43.15 | jsoftw | :p |
| 02:43.34 | JordiGH | JDigital: I've been using Debian for about 6 years; looks like I've actually learned something in the meantime. |
| 02:43.43 | JordiGH | No wait. |
| 02:43.45 | JordiGH | Closer to 8 years. |
| 02:43.47 | JordiGH | Fuck, I'm old. |
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| 02:43.54 | JDigital | oldmans |
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| 02:44.03 | bluefoxx | back |
| 02:44.06 | richo | hah |
| 02:44.11 | richo | i've been using linux 10 years |
| 02:44.15 | richo | and i'm 19 |
| 02:44.17 | richo | damn geek parents |
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| 02:44.34 | bluefoxx | so its booted up, telling me "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 emily tty1" |
| 02:44.37 | JordiGH | I used to think I was l33t because I knew DOS. :-( |
| 02:44.39 | bluefoxx | asking for a login |
| 02:44.47 | JordiGH | bluefoxx: Yay? |
| 02:44.51 | bluefoxx | no |
| 02:44.52 | richo | bluefoxx: use haxx |
| 02:44.58 | bluefoxx | i dont have login/password |
| 02:45.03 | bluefoxx | how-whu> |
| 02:45.04 | bluefoxx | ? |
| 02:45.05 | Kovensky | root |
| 02:45.09 | Kovensky | pass is empty |
| 02:45.10 | bluefoxx | tried |
| 02:45.16 | Kovensky | ._. |
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| 02:45.22 | bluefoxx | they set a pass |
| 02:45.28 | Kovensky | boot from bootcd, mount root, chroot to it and do 'passwd' |
| 02:45.33 | bluefoxx | thing came froma radiology dept froma hasp |
| 02:45.33 | JordiGH | John the Ripper! |
| 02:45.43 | bluefoxx | cant boot cd, esle i just install |
| 02:45.45 | JordiGH | 99% of all passwords are insecure! |
| 02:45.49 | bluefoxx | its a sparc classic |
| 02:45.52 | superfirelord42 | Kovensky, easier said than done... its on a sparc... having trouble with external cd |
| 02:45.58 | Kovensky | :/ |
| 02:46.20 | Kovensky | never saw anything but x86{,_64} computers and an Unisys mainframe |
| 02:46.21 | bluefoxx | could i plu gthe drive into another machine and edit the /etc/shadow file? |
| 02:47.00 | superfirelord42 | you could plug it into another machine, chroot into it and do 'passwd' maybe if you had a bootable distro around you... |
| 02:47.03 | bluefoxx | im aquiring a ultra 5 soon too, and a sgi indy/octane but those will have fresh installs or password given to me >. > |
| 02:47.08 | richo | bluefoxx: no, but you could plug the drive into another machine, and edit the file /etc/shadow ;) |
| 02:47.10 | superfirelord42 | but i dont know as much about hardware compat and stuff on the sparcs |
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| 02:47.33 | bluefoxx | richo, wasnt that what i asked? |
| 02:48.10 | bluefoxx | also, hot plug scsi in windows?[i dont wanna reboot, having a marvolous uptime unlike the norm with windows] |
| 02:48.15 | bluefoxx | ., |
| 02:48.18 | richo | bluefoxx: yeah but you misspelled it |
| 02:48.40 | superfirelord42 | dont think you can hotplug scsi into your windows... unless its specially made to do that... |
| 02:48.56 | Kovensky | and if you could, you still couldn't chroot and do passwd :) |
| 02:48.57 | bluefoxx | oh, lol |
| 02:49.02 | bluefoxx | heh... |
| 02:49.21 | bluefoxx | but i could open /etc/shadow with a text editor after mounting the drive with ifs drives |
| 02:49.44 | bluefoxx | wait, i should hav ethe scsi cdrom as id6? |
| 02:49.51 | superfirelord42 | im not as familiar with the password setups in linux... |
| 02:49.55 | bluefoxx | normally its id3 according to wikipedia... |
| 02:50.09 | superfirelord42 | the scsi cdrom will automaticly be assigned id6 when you try to boot on it... |
| 02:50.13 | bluefoxx | Oktane, fixed that, time to reset+retry |
| 02:50.13 | Kovensky | bluefoxx: you can't edit /etc/shadow directly |
| 02:50.19 | JDigital | I think I found out why debian releases are so infrequent |
| 02:50.20 | Kovensky | and I wonder how can you mount a linux fs on windoze |
| 02:50.35 | JDigital | They'd run out of Toy Story characters |
| 02:50.46 | superfirelord42 | Kovensky, there are actually some tools to do that... i have done it before |
| 02:50.46 | bluefoxx | Kovensky, edited /etc/shadow in ubuntu to set a ghost pass and google ifs drives |
| 02:50.48 | richo | Kovensky: there's a shell extension for ext2 and reiser |
| 02:50.50 | JDigital | Kovensky: there's an ext2 driver on NT |
| 02:50.59 | Kovensky | hmm |
| 02:51.00 | JDigital | hehe reiser |
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| 02:51.37 | geek | JDigital: actually they have loads of names. ;p |
| 02:51.52 | richo | w00t! |
| 02:52.01 | richo | is debootstrapping from a gentoo box :D |
| 02:52.20 | bluefoxx | well, its starting to read the cd device |
| 02:52.28 | bluefoxx | thats /something/ i suppose |
| 02:52.39 | bluefoxx | dangit! |
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| 02:53.03 | bluefoxx | "the scsi bus is hung. perhaphs a external device is turned off." |
| 02:53.05 | shiloh7 | can anyone tell me what version i need to get to have the newer packages, like pidgin instead of gaim, etc. |
| 02:53.19 | Kovensky | shiloh7: you're probably using a dinossauric release... |
| 02:53.19 | wols | shiloh7: lenny |
| 02:53.45 | richo | or backports |
| 02:53.48 | bluefoxx | fine, trying again _without_ external terminator on the cdrom |
| 02:53.48 | shiloh7 | Kovensky, yeah etch nhalf was recomended in here |
| 02:54.01 | shiloh7 | wols, ty |
| 02:54.05 | wols | shiloh7: that's only a new kernel for etch |
| 02:54.29 | wols | bluefoxx: you DO know that you can kill your hardware with what you're doing? ie make it lose its magic smoke? |
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| 02:54.52 | wols | not to mention crash your system the very least |
| 02:55.07 | abrotman | sparcs have no magic smoke .. they can run on twinkies! |
| 02:55.16 | Kovensky | wols: that magic blue smoke looks cool :) |
| 02:55.32 | shiloh7 | :P |
| 02:56.11 | bluefoxx | hows this? |
| 02:57.24 | richo | according to wikipedia: |
| 02:57.25 | richo | The emblem of the Debian free software project is a swirl of smoke - a reference to this concept. |
| 02:57.28 | richo | really? |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | debian.org/logos |
| 02:58.13 | JDigital | I always thought it was white |
| 02:59.07 | superfirelord42 | !magic smoke |
| 02:59.07 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 02:59.22 | bluefoxx | heh... |
| 02:59.29 | Kovensky | dpkg: kek |
| 02:59.29 | dpkg | Kovensky: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:59.45 | Kovensky | dpkg: kek is World of Warcraft Orcish for 'lol' |
| 02:59.45 | dpkg | Kovensky: okay |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | try not to fill the bot with junk |
| 03:00.04 | Kovensky | abrotman: heh |
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| 03:00.16 | bluefoxx | >.> |
| 03:00.27 | Kovensky | abrotman: he asked me :) |
| 03:02.41 | JordiGH | kekeke is Korean, no? |
| 03:02.50 | JordiGH | You kids and your internet speaks. |
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| 03:03.42 | Dionix | howdy debian |
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| 03:04.03 | Dionix | anyone alive? |
| 03:04.06 | JordiGH | !greet Dionix |
| 03:04.06 | dpkg | Wassup, Dionix |
| 03:04.07 | JordiGH | !alive |
| 03:04.10 | Dionix | hehe |
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| 03:04.35 | Kovensky | Dionix: ACK |
| 03:04.44 | Dionix | you wouldn't happen to know anything about multiseat setups would you/ |
| 03:04.45 | jsoftw | is mincing around with a usb keyring installer |
| 03:04.46 | Dionix | ? |
| 03:05.25 | abrotman | Dionix: google should be able to help you set that up |
| 03:05.41 | Dionix | yeah, been trying that route |
| 03:05.44 | infinity1 | is it possible to run an etch kernel on lenny? |
| 03:05.50 | Dionix | but theres so many different people saying different htings |
| 03:05.52 | Dionix | things |
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| 03:06.11 | Dionix | kernel is not part of debian, so therefore not version related |
| 03:06.22 | Dionix | debian is the os built around the kernel |
| 03:06.25 | infinity1 | so thats a yes |
| 03:06.38 | Dionix | well more like package suite |
| 03:06.40 | Kovensky | Dionix: there is a wikibook on that |
| 03:06.41 | Dionix | or whatever |
| 03:06.52 | superfirelord42 | Dionix, have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 03:06.53 | infinity1 | its a yes/no question |
| 03:07.06 | Dionix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | Dionix: that's not true |
| 03:07.29 | Dionix | well i figured i'd do more than say yes/no, i'd teach you something as well |
| 03:07.29 | superfirelord42 | infinity1, depends, do you want to recompile it or try to use the binary version... if you compile it, it would possibly work... |
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| 03:07.47 | infinity1 | superfirelord42: i don't mind recompiling. |
| 03:07.55 | infinity1 | "possibly work" eh? hmmm |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | Dionix: but it's not accurate |
| 03:07.58 | Dionix | you can download kernel sources with apt, but thats not really relevant |
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| 03:08.14 | Dionix | well probably n ot |
| 03:08.26 | Dionix | i don't know what i'm talking about, i know just enough to be dangerous |
| 03:08.30 | superfirelord42 | infinity1, probably because i dont know all the dependencies and if there are any version compatibilities or issues off the top of my head |
| 03:09.17 | superfirelord42 | Dionix, yeah, you can get kernel sources via apt, and you can compile from them too... and make a running kernel out of them |
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| 03:10.07 | Dionix | argh do i have to install gdm? |
| 03:10.09 | infinity1 | hrmz. well. i'm trying to get a sangoma card working on lenny, and i'm not having much luck |
| 03:10.13 | Dionix | i don't like gnome |
| 03:10.13 | superfirelord42 | infinity1, main issue is you would have incompatibility issues with your libraries if you dont do alot of work to fix them... i dont know the specifics involved |
| 03:10.23 | infinity1 | i think their drivers don't work on newer kernels |
| 03:10.24 | Dionix | =\ |
| 03:10.29 | Dionix | hmm |
| 03:10.31 | superfirelord42 | Dionix, KDE? |
| 03:10.34 | Dionix | omg |
| 03:10.36 | Dionix | die |
| 03:10.43 | infinity1 | superfirelord42: hmm ..shouldn't have library issues |
| 03:10.47 | Dionix | ok so it works.... but its bloaty |
| 03:10.48 | Kovensky | Dionix: infidel! |
| 03:10.58 | Dionix | long live enlightenment! |
| 03:11.04 | Dionix | the true wm! |
| 03:11.12 | Kovensky | Dionix: that would be twm |
| 03:11.14 | Dionix | not e17 either |
| 03:11.16 | Dionix | lol |
| 03:11.24 | Dionix | good ole e16 |
| 03:11.36 | superfirelord42 | Dionix, gnustep? |
| 03:11.44 | Dionix | shrugs |
| 03:11.58 | Dionix | haven't messed with it enough to decide |
| 03:12.01 | superfirelord42 | or we could do it the good old tty window manager |
| 03:12.07 | Dionix | hehe |
| 03:13.13 | superfirelord42 | Dionix, if you really feel adventurous, http://xwinman.org/others.php |
| 03:13.45 | JordiGH | How's the RC bug coming? |
| 03:13.52 | JordiGH | Is it at least coming *down* instead of up? |
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| 03:13.55 | JordiGH | goes check. |
| 03:14.34 | JordiGH | Hey, a respectable 285. |
| 03:14.38 | Kovensky | Dionix: gnu screen is very good too :) |
| 03:14.39 | JordiGH | We might even get a release by Christmas. |
| 03:14.42 | dudeman | hey |
| 03:14.47 | Kovensky | JordiGH: heh |
| 03:14.47 | dudeman | whats going on in the world of #debian |
| 03:15.20 | JordiGH | checks the rc-alert script. |
| 03:15.44 | Kovensky | dudeman: check backlog :) |
| 03:16.03 | dudeman | cool |
| 03:16.04 | Kovensky | dudeman: mostly sparc with broken /etc/shadow that can't boot other stuff |
| 03:16.14 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's not right .. i think it's around 150 |
| 03:16.18 | abrotman | maybe less |
| 03:16.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: Ah, right. I forget. There's two places to check, and bugs.debian.org is always behind. |
| 03:16.48 | JordiGH | There's some dude's personal space that tracks the rc bugs. |
| 03:16.56 | JordiGH | A lot of the ones that show up in rc-alert are already fixed. |
| 03:16.59 | bluefoxx | does http://supportforum.sun.com/ fail to load for anyone else? |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | it's not that it's behind ... the count is different |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 03:17.02 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
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| 03:17.24 | tu | installing skype package is safe? |
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| 03:17.40 | abrotman | ask them .. not us |
| 03:18.13 | tu | customer feedback |
| 03:18.23 | JordiGH | tu: You're their customer, not ours. |
| 03:18.43 | superfirelord42 | tu, i have used skype on ubuntu before and it worked ok... |
| 03:18.45 | JordiGH | tu: Btw, I've successfully webcammed with horny girls on wengophone. |
| 03:18.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's not funny |
| 03:18.57 | richo | lmfao |
| 03:19.00 | richo | abrotman: yes it is |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | no |
| 03:19.17 | JordiGH | I mean, wengophone is functional. |
| 03:19.18 | tu | superfirelord42: does it install some junk also? |
| 03:19.20 | richo | I laughed, ergo something funny happened |
| 03:19.36 | richo | tu: the .deb's should be dynamically linked |
| 03:19.38 | richo | so you should be ok |
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| 03:19.43 | superfirelord42 | tu, again, in ubuntu, it worked, i did not track the install or anything.. all i know is it works |
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| 03:19.56 | Dionix | hmm i'm so close i can taste it |
| 03:20.04 | Dionix | but |
| 03:20.08 | Dionix | i need to go to bed |
| 03:20.20 | JordiGH | Skype can perform degrading sexual acts for all I care. |
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| 03:20.37 | little_unix | proftp 550 CHMOD : No such file or directory |
| 03:20.38 | JordiGH | It can also spy on you on behalf of the German government. |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: could you stop? |
| 03:20.44 | little_unix | i checked image |
| 03:20.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: Eh, fine. |
| 03:20.52 | little_unix | back.jpg |
| 03:21.00 | little_unix | i can see |
| 03:21.09 | little_unix | permission 644 (user to ftp client is owner dir) |
| 03:21.18 | little_unix | anybody help? |
| 03:21.25 | little_unix | i used chmod 444 |
| 03:21.40 | little_unix | but my crazy dir dont permit it |
| 03:22.57 | JordiGH | People who complain about the Gimp's name haven't seen libcaca yet. |
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| 03:23.57 | Vi^3PP | liable, u here |
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| 03:24.55 | Vi^3PP | got my wifi working... changed kernel and got essid showing plus wpa and can now connect.... i think the problem was more the ssid/open/wep/wpa than anything else |
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| 03:46.08 | dcsimon | python image module for debian? |
| 03:46.43 | JordiGH | apt-cache search python image |
| 03:47.02 | JordiGH | SURVEY SAYS! |
| 03:47.59 | JordiGH | python-imaging-tk |
| 03:48.10 | dcsimon | beautiful, just had to get the name right |
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| 03:48.27 | JordiGH | There's also python-imaging and stuff |
| 03:48.49 | JordiGH | -doc -sane -doc-html -sane-dbg -insane ... etc |
| 03:48.57 | dcsimon | python imaging is what I was looking for, just need the basic PIL module |
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| 03:58.48 | enouf | forces JordiGH to kiss richard dawson |
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| 03:59.36 | JordiGH | Who? |
| 03:59.38 | JordiGH | Why? |
| 03:59.58 | enouf | <JordiGH> SURVEY SAYS! |
| 04:00.05 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 04:00.06 | JordiGH | Him. |
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| 04:10.09 | ameyer | o_O |
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| 04:16.51 | enouf | unbelievable - you have to restart the entire DE session to change the mouse cursor color .. BWAHAHAHA |
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| 04:42.18 | gabegundy | Anyone had luck with iSCSI and Buffalo's TeraStation? |
| 04:43.09 | gabegundy | I've been sitting in this data center long enough that my fingers are too cold to type :( |
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| 04:54.29 | richo | dpkg -i libc6* tells me i need libgcc1 |
| 04:54.29 | dpkg | installs libc6* tells me i need libgcc1 into richo's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 04:54.44 | richo | dpkg -i libgcc1* tells me i need libc6 |
| 04:54.44 | dpkg | installs libgcc1* tells me i need libc6 into richo's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 04:54.56 | richo | what the hell do i do?! |
| 04:57.48 | gabegundy | richo: got a saw? |
| 04:57.59 | dr1v3r | install libgcc1 :P |
| 04:59.19 | dr1v3r | anyone ere used fwbuilder before that can tell me how the hell i access the gui :( please |
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| 04:59.52 | bluefoxx | does debian encrypt passwords in /etc/shadow the same way ubuntu does? sppecifically debian 3.2? |
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| 05:01.10 | bluefoxx | anyone? |
| 05:01.56 | dryrot | anyone run debian on a Thinkpad X60 ? seems to run kind of hot |
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| 05:02.34 | wols | bluefoxx: there is no debian 3.2 and yes /etc/shadow- is the same with all linux distros |
| 05:02.36 | Somni | bluefoxx: it's not encryption, it's a one way hash, and yes, probably; they are both based on the same GNU libc, with the same crypt function |
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| 05:03.09 | wols | richo: what are you trying to do? why are you installing libc6 in the first place |
| 05:03.30 | dr1v3r | hmmm i would why after updateing the sources.list the files i am searching for are still not found, although they do exist |
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| 05:03.33 | bluefoxx | kk, so i can change the root pass to U6aMy0wojraho to log in without a pass and continue to use the existing install then right? |
| 05:03.43 | dr1v3r | any idea on that one guys? |
| 05:04.10 | wols | bluefoxx: you can't you miss the hash. and "No password for root" is so exceptionally stupid, words fail me |
| 05:04.17 | wols | erm miss the salt |
| 05:04.30 | wols | !tell dr1v3r about anyone |
| 05:04.40 | wols | !tell dr1v3r about thinkpad |
| 05:04.44 | bluefoxx | i know, but i cant log into this thing |
| 05:04.50 | bluefoxx | have NO passwords for it |
| 05:05.21 | bluefoxx | so im going to remove the root pass, then reboot and log into root, set MY pass and then reform it to my needs |
| 05:05.29 | wols | !tell bluefoxx about forgot root's password |
| 05:05.47 | wols | !tell bluefoxx about forgot root password |
| 05:05.50 | bluefoxx | its a sparc classic otherwise i would use a boot cd and jsut install over |
| 05:06.05 | bluefoxx | also, SILO not GRUB |
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| 05:06.29 | bluefoxx | oh |
| 05:06.31 | bluefoxx | bleh! |
| 05:06.31 | Somni | bluefoxx: perl -wle 'print crypt("foobar", "salt")' |
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| 05:06.41 | Somni | bluefoxx: there, now you have a password of foobar, and can use that hash |
| 05:06.43 | wols | bluefoxx: if you can edit the shadow file you can do the above procedure. you need to be root to edit it... |
| 05:06.56 | bluefoxx | i only know basic xhtml for nor << |
| 05:06.57 | wols | Somni: he can't |
| 05:07.14 | bluefoxx | and i pluged hte hdd into another machine and used a ubuntu live cd |
| 05:07.35 | wols | bluefoxx: then you can still use the above procedure |
| 05:07.40 | bluefoxx | having remembered reading http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/08/howto-setup-guest-login-on-ubuntu-with.html |
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| 05:07.46 | dr1v3r | is teher anyone here that is able to tell me how i get the gui to start on fwbuilder please? |
| 05:08.01 | wols | or you create a bash binary (copy it) and set it suid root |
| 05:08.12 | bluefoxx | ... |
| 05:08.16 | bluefoxx | i dont follow... |
| 05:08.35 | wols | do you know what setuid is? and setuid root? |
| 05:08.42 | bluefoxx | sorta |
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| 05:09.01 | bluefoxx | they allow a non-root user to run a program as root |
| 05:09.08 | bluefoxx | like scsiadd |
| 05:09.20 | wols | yes, and do this with bash, what do you have? |
| 05:09.25 | bluefoxx | i dont recall, i havent been able to get a linux box to work since before summer |
| 05:09.30 | richo | wols: debootstrapped from a different arch, so it couldn't finish it's thing |
| 05:09.39 | bluefoxx | errm, not-a-clue anymore << |
| 05:09.40 | Somni | sorry, if he has root in order to setuid a program, how is it he can't modify the relevant password files to set to a known password? |
| 05:09.41 | richo | so now i'm pretty much doing lfs with .deb's xD |
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| 05:10.29 | wols | richo: without libc6 NOTHING would work. not even dpkg itself. so you definitely have it already |
| 05:10.49 | wols | richo: and learn about apt-get and aptitude |
| 05:10.52 | richo | i know it's there, but it's not recorded against dpkg's database |
| 05:11.01 | bluefoxx | what /i/ have done here, is taken the 1.4 gig hdd out of a Sun Sparc Classic, plugged it into a temp box with a scsi card, booted a live ubuntu cd on the thing[its a p3] and mounted the partitions of the said scsi drive |
| 05:11.01 | richo | wols: they don't work yet, i've nearly got everything |
| 05:11.20 | richo | wols: aptitude now has enough of ncurses to start, but segfaults if i try to do anything |
| 05:11.35 | wols | bluefoxx: now create that bash binary and you can do it all with passwd and the like on sparc |
| 05:11.36 | dr1v3r | guys i have updated my sources.list anddone apt-get update, but when i search for a file i want it does not show with the rest of the results...any idea how i can solve this? |
| 05:11.40 | richo | i'm so tempted to just loop dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archves/* and come back in a few days |
| 05:11.51 | wols | dr1v3r: more info needed |
| 05:11.53 | richo | since every iteration will install a few more packages that the last pass enabled xD |
| 05:12.10 | bluefoxx | i would go for a fresh install, but the external cdrom for the sun cant read burned cds being from about 1992 and i have no interest in ripping it open to modifey it or replace it with another, not having any other scsi cdrom drives |
| 05:12.29 | dr1v3r | wols i am after an updated deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 05:12.30 | dr1v3r | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 05:12.35 | dr1v3r | ohh hell sorry |
| 05:12.57 | Somni | bluefoxx: so simply modify /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow, set the password to a known value, and boot off the drive as normal |
| 05:13.02 | bluefoxx | wols, im working off of a x86 machine[pentium threes at 1000] to try and get a 50mhz sparc going |
| 05:13.20 | wols | bluefoxx: I told you what you can do |
| 05:13.36 | wols | dr1v3r: and what exactly is notupdating? |
| 05:14.00 | bluefoxx | im simply wondering if i can get away with using the U6aMy0wojraho from the live cd /etc/shadow for ubuntu to set the root pass to no pass so i can log in and fix the thing up as my irc logger |
| 05:14.17 | richo | wols: it's going. cheers mate |
| 05:14.28 | Somni | bluefoxx: perl -wle 'print crypt("YOUR PASSWORD HERE", "sa")' |
| 05:14.30 | Somni | then use that |
| 05:14.45 | wols | bluefoxx: you can't. no salt. I told you that already too |
| 05:15.21 | bluefoxx | salt? |
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| 05:15.48 | bluefoxx | now im even more confused... |
| 05:15.50 | wols | bluefoxx: if you don't know what this all means, I strongly advise you to use my way. it's easier and you make less errors |
| 05:15.53 | Somni | U6aMy0wojraho has a salt, the salt is U6 |
| 05:16.12 | bluefoxx | i dont get what is meant by 'salt |
| 05:16.13 | bluefoxx | ' |
| 05:16.30 | Somni | bluefoxx: it's irrelevant; you have several means of doing what you want, pick one |
| 05:16.52 | dr1v3r | i am after an updated package of fwbuilder, so i have searched a few of the sources list sites and also saw it on packages.debian.org. so anyway i have updated my sources.list so that i can get it using apt-get but when i search for the file it does not show any results |
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| 05:17.29 | Somni | perl -wle 'print crypt("", "U6")' -> U6aMy0wojraho |
| 05:17.32 | Somni | note the similarity |
| 05:18.09 | wols | etch has 2.0.9-1.2 of fwbuilder and had it since etch was released basically |
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| 05:19.44 | wols | dr1v3r: what version of fwbuilder do you want? |
| 05:20.35 | beowulf_ | #regional |
| 05:20.39 | dr1v3r | one that the gui tool actually works on, if i get it from their website i can compile it no problem, but the deb one i just can not figure out how to start the gui |
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| 05:21.39 | wols | dr1v3r: you have a X menu entry for it |
| 05:21.56 | bluefoxx | heh, it worked... |
| 05:22.14 | bluefoxx | the hash from the site |
| 05:22.15 | dr1v3r | wols i dont understand |
| 05:22.20 | bluefoxx | i now seem to have root |
| 05:22.28 | wols | dr1v3r: you X application menu has an entry for it |
| 05:23.02 | dr1v3r | how i access the x application? |
| 05:23.09 | wols | dr1v3r: do you run X? |
| 05:23.22 | dr1v3r | no which is probs why |
| 05:23.33 | wols | duh! the mind boggles! |
| 05:23.44 | wols | is your real name homer simpson? |
| 05:23.59 | dr1v3r | yes |
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| 05:24.11 | wols | how do you expect to run a X program on the console without X running? |
| 05:24.37 | dr1v3r | i was not aware it used it |
| 05:25.09 | wols | stops, it could be contagious |
| 05:25.20 | dr1v3r | i looked at loads of stuff over past god knows how many hours and not once came accross anything that said anything about an X application |
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| 05:26.38 | dudeman | lol |
| 05:26.43 | dudeman | this is almost quotable |
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| 05:27.32 | Octalot | wonders if dr1v3r actually isn't using X, or just doesn't know what X is and is using it without knowing |
| 05:28.24 | slasxlib | i need to install the xlibs- but i'm not sure what package that would be. i searched for xlibs and came up with xlibs-data, that does not appear to be it. anybody know what package it is? |
| 05:29.28 | wols | slasxlib: why not just install the program you want, it will pull in xlibs |
| 05:29.47 | wols | slasxlib: xlibs alone is usually not enough, you need various other libx* packages too |
| 05:30.09 | wols | libx11-6 are your xlibs btw |
| 05:30.17 | slasxlib | well, it is a java program, and java apparently was installed without xlibs.. i'm not really sure what to do. |
| 05:30.17 | wols | if you run etch |
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| 05:30.29 | wols | slasxlib: install java properly |
| 05:30.35 | wols | !tell slasxlib about install java |
| 05:30.57 | wols | backports.org has java6 packages |
| 05:31.19 | slasxlib | wols: i installed java 1.6 using aptitude and backports... thanks for the info. i'll read it. |
| 05:31.44 | wols | slasxlib: then you have xlibs. what is the exact error? |
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| 05:32.39 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-bin xlibs are only recommends :( |
| 05:32.48 | wols | but look there what else you will need |
| 05:33.02 | slasxlib | http://pastebin.com/m44b06094 |
| 05:33.46 | wols | that's a java exception. nothing to do with X as far as I can see |
| 05:35.02 | slasxlib | hmm http://www.jbilling.com/?q=node/53 that's why i thought it had to do with xlibs... |
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| 05:35.28 | slasxlib | i guess i'm back to square 1. |
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| 05:35.49 | dr1v3r | Octalot i dunt have a clue |
| 05:36.02 | dr1v3r | i found the dir but it wont start |
| 05:36.18 | dr1v3r | i ahve reconfigured it but still say X dont exits |
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| 05:36.55 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.04 | dr1v3r | its not installed thats why lol my bad |
| 05:39.33 | dr1v3r | what do i actually need to instal? |
| 05:39.46 | wols | install xorg and xfce |
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| 05:41.21 | dr1v3r | could not find package xfce |
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| 05:47.29 | Jemt | Good morning :) |
| 05:47.40 | joneal | hi |
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| 05:49.37 | Jemt | Will 'fdisk' always create 100% identical partitions if I specify the exact same values in the program, but on different devices? Will a 2GB partition ALWAYS be exactly 2147483648 bytes ? I'm using 'dd' to populate partitions with data, so I'm pretty sure it will fail if the partition is too small, and make additional space inaccessible if the partition is too big |
| 05:50.48 | mxmx | does anyone use directadmin in their box? |
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| 05:55.24 | dr1v3r | wols when i installed Xorg it installed 70 odd other files with it, i need to start again with the full install/config, how do i get them other packages to be removed with Xorg |
| 05:55.26 | dr1v3r | ? |
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| 05:59.22 | nkuttler | dr1v3r: which files and why? |
| 05:59.39 | dr1v3r | its ok i done it |
| 05:59.54 | dr1v3r | i just wanted to do a totall fresh install of xserver |
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| 06:04.49 | new | hi |
| 06:05.05 | new | is there any one |
| 06:05.30 | richo | hi |
| 06:05.54 | new | asl |
| 06:06.44 | new | wwwoiwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:06.47 | nkuttler | new: wrong channel |
| 06:07.02 | nkuttler | new: /topic |
| 06:07.30 | new | hi |
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| 06:07.48 | nkuttler | grabs some popcorn |
| 06:07.59 | nkuttler | oh, it's /msging me |
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| 06:09.19 | new | no way |
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| 06:10.19 | dryrot | my machine boots fine with kernel 2.6.18 and i get ethernet device capability . when i try to boot from new updated kernel 2.6.16, machine boots, but no eth devices, and i get this error, what am i doing wrong? : "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 06:10.46 | richo | nkuttler: now i'm curious |
| 06:10.58 | prolix | does anyone have any suggestions as to a wifi chipset that either has 100% opensource firmware+driver or one that doesn't present many issues when operating under debian? |
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| 06:12.36 | nkuttler | dryrot: don't boot into 2.6.16? |
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| 06:13.07 | dryrot | nkuttler: that is a temp solution i am doing right now, but it doesn't lead me to good solution. |
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| 06:13.38 | nkuttler | dryrot: 2.6.16 tells you to update, using 2.6.18 is an update. how isn't that a good solution? |
| 06:13.38 | prolix | dryrot: do you mean 2.6.26? |
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| 06:14.50 | nkuttler | btw, i find no 2.6.16 in current stable |
| 06:15.02 | dryrot | yeah, sorry, typo. i meant 'i boot fine and have ethernet with 2.6.18'. i boot fine, but no net, with 2.6.26 |
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| 06:15.33 | nkuttler | dryrot: what release are you running? |
| 06:16.05 | dryrot | nkuttler: lenny. this happened to me with etch though too. it is possible that eth0 and eth1 are being switched around |
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| 06:23.46 | shyam | hi i just compiled bitlbee-otr-screenshot and i gave the command in a terminal and it says " :localhost.localdomain NOTICE AUTH :BitlBee-IRCd initialized, please go on" but as i try it on pidgin and erc, it says it cant connect.. |
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| 06:24.16 | shyam | how can i know to which settings it has been configured? |
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| 06:28.45 | dryrot | i didnt know bitlbee did otr now |
| 06:28.46 | Snipefast | d |
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| 06:29.09 | dryrot | you know bitlbee devs use some irc server far off in space somehwere, i forget where |
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| 06:29.57 | shyam | dryrot: http://www.khjk.org/bitlbee-otr/ |
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| 06:31.57 | shyam | jumps as he gets it working by daemonizing it |
| 06:32.31 | nemski | Running Debian unstable. I can mount the ipod and browse it, but 'ipod --list' doesn't show any ipod devices |
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| 06:41.50 | Pulpie | hello, my $PATH got screwed up some how is there a way to set the default again? |
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| 06:42.38 | richo | Pulpie: echo PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin >> ~/.bashrc ? |
| 06:42.57 | Pulpie | richo: /usr/games isn't in PATH by default? |
| 06:43.13 | richo | *shrug* |
| 06:43.14 | richo | is it? |
| 06:43.18 | Pulpie | i thought so |
| 06:43.26 | richo | well, add it then :P |
| 06:45.08 | Pulpie | richo: ok done :D so do i just sh .bachrc? |
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| 06:46.03 | richo | Pulpie: source .bashrc |
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| 06:46.46 | Pulpie | richo: erm i thought that would fix my main problem |
| 06:47.08 | Pulpie | richo: my main problem is that my applications menu doesn't do anything but return an erro |
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| 06:48.19 | prolix | fe fi fo fum |
| 06:49.31 | Pulpie | Failed to execute child process "scorched3d" (No such file or directory) <- thats the error when trying to start something from the menu |
| 06:50.04 | richo | o.0 |
| 06:50.06 | richo | what wm? |
| 06:50.10 | richo | also |
| 06:50.11 | Pulpie | its the same thing for every application under games |
| 06:50.13 | Pulpie | gnome |
| 06:50.13 | richo | sounds like you've uninstalled it |
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| 06:50.21 | richo | whcih scorched3d |
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| 06:50.29 | richo | s/whcih/which/ |
| 06:50.33 | richo | then see if that's in your path |
| 06:50.40 | richo | wait |
| 06:50.40 | Pulpie | richo: it would seem that way but if i put it in the console it shows under /usr/games |
| 06:50.43 | richo | which uses path :S |
| 06:50.54 | richo | restart wm, check it's config |
| 06:51.05 | Pulpie | ctrl+alt+delete? |
| 06:51.27 | Pulpie | restart x is what you mean? |
| 06:51.46 | prolix | Pulpie: what does cat /etc/debian_version return? |
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| 06:52.31 | prolix | restart x is *bsd syntax |
| 06:52.55 | prolix | with a missing service |
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| 06:56.30 | Pulpie | richo: ? |
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| 06:59.41 | richo | Pulpie: say what? |
| 06:59.51 | richo | yeah that'll work |
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| 07:00.01 | Pulpie | richo: well i started X and there was no change. |
| 07:01.31 | bluefoxx | Oktane, i got the classic going and debian is pgrading, i hope |
| 07:01.48 | bluefoxx | what GUI would be recommended for a classic running debian though? |
| 07:01.55 | bluefoxx | ok than** |
| 07:02.05 | richo | Pulpie: *shrug* so xterm -> /usr/games/whatever works? |
| 07:02.07 | Pulpie | bluefoxx: xfce? |
| 07:02.15 | Pulpie | richo: yeah and $PATH works |
| 07:02.31 | bluefoxx | Pulpie, aptitude install xfce ? |
| 07:02.44 | richo | o.0 |
| 07:02.46 | Pulpie | so it anything in /usr/games/(gamename) can be called with just (gamename) |
| 07:02.51 | Pulpie | but not via the menu |
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| 07:03.09 | Pulpie | bluefoxx: i dunno apt-cache search xfce |
| 07:03.23 | bluefoxx | Oktane, thanks |
| 07:03.37 | richo | bluefoxx: e17 :D |
| 07:03.43 | richo | also |
| 07:03.44 | bluefoxx | e17?\ |
| 07:03.48 | richo | great wm |
| 07:03.54 | bluefoxx | ok then |
| 07:04.09 | richo | it's pretty different to most others, and has fuck all in the way of GUI config tools |
| 07:04.41 | bluefoxx | oh? |
| 07:04.47 | bluefoxx | good way or bad way |
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| 07:08.16 | bluefoxx | should i? |
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| 07:14.55 | geek | i've got a bit of a networking question. I have an IRC server and a torrent client running on the same box. is there any way/point to have the IRC server on one NIC and the torrent client on another, and connect them to the same router? |
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| 07:17.19 | gigo | how to reload alsa module? |
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| 07:21.26 | dimir | rmmod alsamodule; modprobe alsamodule |
| 07:21.40 | dimir | (where alsamodule is actual alsa module) |
| 07:21.51 | Crazz | ok so i have HDD partitioned to 4 HFS+ partitions and i get the netboot version of debain 4 and i get this error can't allocate device list default catch |
| 07:22.16 | Crazz | then it sends me back to OpenFirmware window |
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| 07:22.54 | Tapout | is there a way to see why a certain package is not included in debian? for example... Bundle::CPAN .. for perl. I see 4 packages, but not for 'cpan'. Is it that cpan is such a moving target? Or is there a site that tells me why |
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| 07:24.29 | nkuttler | Tapout: you want cpanplus maybe? |
| 07:24.54 | nkuttler | Tapout: or maybe deb http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/debian unstable main (unofficial) |
| 07:25.05 | prolix | installing debian on apple's proprietary filesystem? i didn't know that was possible |
| 07:25.46 | nkuttler | prolix: why not? hfsplus is rw |
| 07:25.58 | nkuttler | prolix: well, the non-journaled one afaik |
| 07:26.07 | prolix | nkuttler: huh. thank you |
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| 07:26.37 | bluefoxx | hum... |
| 07:26.53 | bluefoxx | getting this sparc classic going is proving to take longer than i thought it should |
| 07:27.13 | bluefoxx | then again, im guessing its only got 10mbps ethernet on it... |
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| 07:27.33 | bluefoxx | considering it is from 1991, that would have been about the best there was wasnt it |
| 07:27.34 | rax64 | need quick help, what command to detect current available partition? |
| 07:27.45 | Selveste1 | df :P |
| 07:27.47 | Selveste1 | ? |
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| 07:28.38 | rax64 | df /dev/ ? what |
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| 07:29.27 | Selveste1 | nope just df - it show your partitions and space free on them |
| 07:29.36 | maurizio_ | rax64: cat /proc/partitions maybe? |
| 07:29.42 | Selveste1 | but only if they are mountet |
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| 07:30.13 | rax64 | they are not mounted, i want to mount them |
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| 07:31.21 | rax64 | df doesn't shows anything |
| 07:31.22 | Selveste1 | okay then - mount /dev/sd* ore /dev/hd* and then the mount possession eg /mnt/diskX |
| 07:31.23 | strk_ | /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/libxul.so: undefined symbol: sqlite3_enable_shared_cache |
| 07:31.45 | rax64 | but there are lots of number there, i wouldn't know what hd name it is using |
| 07:32.00 | Selveste1 | sd* is SATA and SAS drives and hd* is PATA (IDE) |
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| 07:32.44 | Tapout | nkuttler, i just use cpan ... |
| 07:32.44 | Selveste1 | hda is allways disk-controler 1 and hdb controler 2 the number after = the partitions :) |
| 07:33.09 | Selveste1 | so HDA1 = disk 1 partition 1 |
| 07:33.30 | rax64 | i saw disk1part1, part2 and part3 in /media |
| 07:33.37 | rax64 | but they are not mounted, using sidux live |
| 07:33.59 | Selveste1 | u have to make an mount dir for every partition |
| 07:34.18 | rax64 | i made already |
| 07:34.27 | Selveste1 | sow /mnt/disk1part1 eg and /msn/disk1part2 |
| 07:34.29 | rax64 | how to check what hard disk name i am using? |
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| 07:34.59 | Selveste1 | rax64 - Danish ? |
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| 07:35.34 | Pulpie | Failed to execute child process "fgfs" (No such file or directory) < thats the error i get when trying to launch a program from applications>games in gnome anyone have any ideas. i can run programs from the terminal i.e. typeing fgfs in the terminal brings up the application. |
| 07:35.40 | Pulpie | anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:36.37 | nkuttler | Tapout: of course that's the easiest solution |
| 07:37.23 | Selveste1 | rax64 - I have no ideer what you mean about that :S but if your system is up n running, i guess that it is installed on hdd 1 :S |
| 07:37.54 | Pulpie | :( |
| 07:42.02 | Maliuta | that said, my SIP+NAT works fine; but not as easily as my IAX+NAT |
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| 07:44.15 | rax64 | damn..... sidux doesn't seem to regcognize fat32 |
| 07:44.16 | rax64 | :( |
| 07:44.38 | Pulpie | is sidux even debian? |
| 07:44.43 | Pulpie | erm debian based* |
| 07:44.47 | Selveste1 | yes but you have to have -t fat32 on |
| 07:45.03 | Selveste1 | mount -t fat32 /dev/* |
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| 07:47.10 | mhymn | Pulpie: yes it is but google couldn't answer you? |
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| 07:54.13 | Pulpie | mhymn: geeze man its a simple question reguarding a distro that HE started to talk about which is not debian so the better question is when did #debian turn into #sidux? |
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| 07:57.08 | mhymn | Pulpie: yeah, sorry i didn't see HIM, and that's a good question btw |
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| 07:57.51 | Pulpie | mhymn: i know <3 ^_^ |
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| 07:58.39 | Selveste1 | Yes - but his question cut have bin on a debian to :P He didn't tell the dist before the last answer :S |
| 07:59.13 | gigo | how to reload alsa module? |
| 07:59.28 | Pulpie | but debian does recongize fat32 and apparently it doesn't in sidux... |
| 07:59.34 | mhymn | gigo: modprobe? |
| 07:59.50 | prolix | modprobe -r foo && modprobe foo |
| 08:00.10 | Selveste1 | Pulpie - if you have the -t parameter on it dos to in sidux... |
| 08:00.32 | Pulpie | Selveste1: i dont believe you can know this for sure. |
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| 08:00.59 | Selveste1 | Pulpie - you maybe right :P |
| 08:01.01 | Pulpie | unless your a closet sidux user :P |
| 08:01.19 | jelly | !sidux |
| 08:01.19 | dpkg | i guess sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
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| 08:01.44 | Selveste1 | nope only Debian and one ubuntu on my brothers laptop :P |
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| 08:01.51 | Pulpie | !ubuntu |
| 08:01.51 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 08:02.15 | Pulpie | hahaha i love the insult to ubuntu! |
| 08:02.24 | Crazz | anyone here know anything about installing debian on PPC? |
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| 08:02.51 | Selveste1 | Crazz - download iso burn and install as normal :P |
| 08:03.07 | Pulpie | is it possible to install debian on an arm processsor hand-held like a palm tx? |
| 08:03.08 | Crazz | then i get ramdisk errors |
| 08:03.09 | Selveste1 | Crazz try #Debianppc maybe |
| 08:03.33 | Pulpie | !arm |
| 08:03.33 | dpkg | it has been said that arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 08:03.47 | Crazz | No Filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs |
| 08:03.56 | Selveste1 | !ppc |
| 08:03.57 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 08:04.20 | Pulpie | ppc is not something i want to run ever! |
| 08:04.23 | Pulpie | no offence |
| 08:04.37 | Crazz | Invalid Compressed format |
| 08:04.40 | Crazz | RAMDISK: Ran out of compressed data |
| 08:04.41 | Selveste1 | I agree |
| 08:05.32 | Crazz | thing is i get same error in DSL Debian Ubuntu OpenSUSE |
| 08:06.17 | Selveste1 | !windows |
| 08:06.17 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 08:07.06 | Selveste1 | I love dpkg-bot :P |
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| 08:07.52 | Selveste1 | dpkg -help |
| 08:07.52 | dpkg | Selveste1: wish i knew |
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| 08:09.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | A couple questions, |
| 08:10.01 | Eulex | !love Selveste1 |
| 08:10.01 | dpkg | makes love to Selveste1, caressing Selveste1's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Selveste1's ear... |
| 08:10.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | First: How can I see which package provides a file? |
| 08:10.33 | Eulex | Blast_Hardcheese, apt-file or dpkg -S. see /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:11.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Awesome, thanks |
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| 08:11.52 | Selveste1 | I run etch, and I need some packets from the sid repo, how to do that with apt-get ? |
| 08:12.04 | nkuttler | Selveste1: /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:12.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Second question, I seem to be confused. I thought session managers were what enabled you to choose what Window and Desktop manager you wanted to use, and provide you with an X login screen instead of logging in via virtual terminal and startx'ing |
| 08:12.44 | Eulex | !tell Selveste1 about ssb |
| 08:12.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | I think I'm wrong, what is that called? |
| 08:13.09 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: display manager |
| 08:13.16 | Eulex | Blast_Hardcheese, unintuitively (sp?) enough, you're called display managers |
| 08:13.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Huh. |
| 08:13.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | weird |
| 08:13.51 | Selveste1 | Eulex thnz :) |
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| 08:14.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Well, thank you much, both of you |
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| 08:17.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ooh, another question: Is there a way (short of navigating to the directory that stores all the symlinks) to display the tree of update-alternatives short of going through sudo update-alternatives --config --all and holding down enter? |
| 08:18.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'd like to become familiar with update-alternatives, I have a feeling it could probably be much more useful than it's currently being |
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| 08:23.59 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: man update-alternatives |
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| 08:28.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols: Err... |
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| 08:33.41 | gagita | how do I create an acl rules that allow to access blocked sites in squid.conf ?????? |
| 08:34.01 | gagita | how do I create an acl rules that allow some computers to access blocked sites in squid.conf ?????? |
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| 08:35.41 | micols | gagita: try with only one questionmark next time |
| 08:37.11 | gagita | micols : sorry |
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| 08:45.25 | \3TATU2 | hi |
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| 08:48.29 | \3TATU2 | Say I have access to an online dedicated server account system with a fast internet connection.. And at home I normally connect to the internet with an ADSL modem .. Is it possible to somehow connect through my ADSL modem to that online dedicated server in order to get an internet connection through the same telephone lines existing right now? (Possibly something like a pppoe server on the dedicated machine?) .. or is it required I |
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| 08:50.22 | mavhc | look up vpn |
| 08:50.32 | joltcan | \3TATU2: You want to dial up to the server? |
| 08:50.36 | Tapout | how can I .. identify packages installed using etch-backports? |
| 08:51.19 | \3TATU2 | joltcan: well i actually don't want to dialup i want to connect through ethernet |
| 08:51.29 | \3TATU2 | the point is potentially gaining a faster connection speed |
| 08:51.47 | \3TATU2 | the online dedicated server machine gets both a faster upload/download speed than my home ADSL connection .. |
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| 08:51.54 | joltcan | \3TATU2: Use a VPN with compression and route your traffic via the server, that could potentially speed it up a bit |
| 08:51.58 | joltcan | like openvpn |
| 08:52.07 | mavhc | but it's basically impossible |
| 08:52.22 | \3TATU2 | so the only chance i have is in possible compression |
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| 08:52.32 | \3TATU2 | although i'd think my local ISP probably does that already |
| 08:52.33 | mavhc | your phone line goes to the phone system, not the internet |
| 08:52.44 | \3TATU2 | well that's a little tricky |
| 08:52.53 | \3TATU2 | i mean cause then the phone system goes to the internet |
| 08:52.54 | \3TATU2 | heh |
| 08:53.16 | mavhc | but the adsl equipment at the other end of the cable is still the limiting factor |
| 08:53.31 | joltcan | \3TATU2: Well, the ADSL modem terminates in a aggregation point that is then connected to the Internet |
| 08:53.51 | joltcan | \3TATU2: So you would have to hire a copper pair to the server and terminate it there by yourself |
| 08:53.53 | \3TATU2 | so this basically means |
| 08:54.02 | joltcan | but that's expensive as crap |
| 08:54.04 | \3TATU2 | i am _required_ to authenticated specifically directly with my ISP |
| 08:54.17 | mavhc | yes |
| 08:54.36 | mavhc | you're comparing with dialup perhaps? |
| 08:54.39 | \3TATU2 | otherwise i'd have to physically run a line from my computer/dsl modem to said online dedicated server machine |
| 08:54.52 | \3TATU2 | what do you mean comparing with dialup? |
| 08:54.55 | rmrfchik | what is the preffered way/tool to setup gprs connection via BT phone? |
| 08:55.14 | mavhc | with dialup you could directly dial another server |
| 08:55.24 | \3TATU2 | heh |
| 08:55.31 | rmrfchik | pppconfig crashes for me now |
| 08:55.41 | joltcan | He just forgot to put the hardware in the equation |
| 08:55.47 | wols | \3TATU2: yes. no way around it and you will always be limited by the max speed of the adsl |
| 08:55.59 | \3TATU2 | point is .. my adsl modem obviously connects to said computer through a wire link one way or another |
| 08:56.04 | rmrfchik | and with this way I need to setup many different applications by hand (rfcomm, chatsripts and so on) |
| 08:56.22 | \3TATU2 | and i have root access to said machine which happens to be connected to a better backbone than I am |
| 08:56.25 | rmrfchik | thought there is a shortcut ;) |
| 08:56.33 | \3TATU2 | seems logical for me to be able to harness that |
| 08:56.42 | \3TATU2 | but it looks like the DSL ISP shafts me there.. |
| 08:57.01 | mavhc | you can do things like download your data, do the analysis there, and then just send the results home |
| 08:57.06 | wols | \3TATU2: no totally unlogical. an internet connection is always a chain of one modem,router,host to the next. ant it's always the weakest link that decides how fast it is |
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| 08:57.13 | wols | this time, this link is your adsl |
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| 08:58.22 | joltcan | \3TATU2: http://euromail.co.za/gfx/adsl-structure.gif, and thats the physical structure. Your server is connected to the WWW-cloud |
| 08:58.23 | \3TATU2 | well specifically my isp |
| 08:58.29 | \3TATU2 | obviously connection speeds are capped |
| 08:58.30 | joltcan | (yes, its a stupid picture) |
| 08:58.52 | joltcan | So not even your IP layer goes directly, it also travels incapsulated in ATM |
| 08:59.04 | wols | \3TATU2: so are your server's speed |
| 08:59.08 | joltcan | So it in a sense actually works as a VPN if you break it down |
| 08:59.36 | wols | \3TATU2: since we answered your question, do you have a debian related one for a change? |
| 08:59.55 | \3TATU2 | when does lenny come out? :) |
| 09:00.58 | Octalot | were you wanting an answer to that? |
| 09:01.05 | \3TATU2 | negatory |
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| 09:01.18 | Octalot | thought so |
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| 09:14.31 | g00se | Just installed sid chroot. Some probs being caused by having no /etc/mtab - what to do? |
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| 09:18.55 | bbits | hi were should i ask my question about ircd-hybrid ? |
| 09:19.21 | bbits | s/were/where/ |
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| 09:28.12 | \3TATU2 | joltcan: And say I run my own ATM card between my ADSL modem and my phone jack..? ^^ |
| 09:28.44 | \3TATU2 | Possible to control my own rate-limiting haha? |
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| 09:42.34 | Vi^3PP | liable, ping |
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| 09:46.31 | wols | \3TATU2: please keep on topic. debian, not netowrking gear |
| 09:46.53 | \3TATU2 | ook |
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| 09:58.28 | pi__ | hi there, i'm in a bit of a fix. i just installed debian on my desktop and on its first start up, my lcd monitor can't display anything because apparently the resolution or refresh rate is wrong. |
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| 09:58.57 | biopyte | Hello, lenny here but I'd like to install 'ardour' packages from sid. How did you say I can do that? :-) (used to do it, but forgot) |
| 09:59.11 | wols | pi__: pressed ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
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| 09:59.22 | wols | !tell biopyte about ssb |
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| 09:59.41 | pi__ | wols, that does that do? I'll try it. currently i'm at single-user start-up |
| 09:59.51 | biopyte | wols: whats that/ |
| 09:59.54 | biopyte | ? |
| 10:00.07 | wols | it brings you to console, out of gui |
| 10:00.17 | wols | then you fix your xorg config and restart X |
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| 10:01.59 | pi__ | thanks. was wondering how to go to the console since ctrl-alt-backspace didn't really work |
| 10:03.04 | Hudy | przerwa na kawe |
| 10:03.15 | wols | pi__: do you run etch? if so, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 10:03.50 | pi__ | yes i'm running etch |
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| 10:04.38 | Hudy | d |
| 10:04.40 | Pavlz | i downloaded brasero from debian.org and the package is on the desktop |
| 10:05.05 | Pavlz | i need to install immediately, could you help me ? |
| 10:05.08 | wols | Pavlz: why not use apt-get install brasero? |
| 10:05.22 | Pavlz | i got problems |
| 10:05.28 | Pavlz | with shell |
| 10:05.29 | wols | what problems? |
| 10:05.52 | Pavlz | impossible to mount packages error..... |
| 10:06.08 | wols | `do it in the shell and pastebin us the command you wrote and its full output |
| 10:06.11 | Pavlz | can you help me, i am in an hurry |
| 10:06.24 | biopyte | another stupid question: does core2duo processor belong to the 686-family. need to know that before installing certain packages. |
| 10:06.32 | wols | biopyte: it does |
| 10:06.36 | biopyte | thx |
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| 10:07.20 | biopyte | i hope 'aptitude -t unstable xxx' will do the job. will it? ;-) |
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| 10:08.05 | wols | biopyte: it might. or it might break your debian. have fun playing roulettte |
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| 10:09.22 | biopyte | ===:-00. whats that? i read this in the debian manual. doesnt tell thats critical. |
| 10:09.55 | wols | ===:-00. needs context. right now it's gibberish |
| 10:10.11 | biopyte | breaking whole debian. you are exaggerating. |
| 10:10.18 | biopyte | aren't you? |
| 10:10.23 | wols | no I am not |
| 10:10.34 | Kovensky | sid loves to break people's toys |
| 10:10.51 | wols | not just that, but mixing releases is always a risk. always |
| 10:10.55 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 10:10.55 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 10:11.14 | biopyte | wols: then tell me the best way to install a singele sound application from sid on my lenny system. |
| 10:11.20 | wols | !tell biopyte about ssb |
| 10:11.26 | wols | which I now told you the 2nd time |
| 10:11.36 | biopyte | hmm, ok |
| 10:11.41 | Kovensky | has a testing/unstable mix |
| 10:11.44 | biopyte | !tell ssb |
| 10:11.47 | Kovensky | uses unstable nvidia-96xx drivers |
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| 10:12.02 | biopyte | sorry, i dont get it, this tell thing |
| 10:12.07 | wols | Kovensky: did you compile them? |
| 10:12.20 | wols | biopyte: dpkg messaged you. twice |
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| 10:12.55 | biopyte | oops, you are right .... why you didnt say before. ;-) |
| 10:12.59 | biopyte | thx |
| 10:13.44 | pi__ | wols, thanks. |
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| 10:14.12 | pi__ | it seems xorg doesn't wanna work with my lcd panel's native resolution at 1600x1200 60Hz |
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| 10:14.28 | Kovensky | wols: no, binary stuff; works perfectly |
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| 10:15.08 | Kovensky | the main distro is testing; I only install sid stuff when the testing program is broken (the kernel was a few weeks ago) and when it is not on testing |
| 10:15.08 | wols | Kovensky: didn't always. as I said: roulette |
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| 10:15.17 | eudaimon | hello... |
| 10:15.29 | eudaimon | i have problems with installing my ipw2200 |
| 10:15.32 | eudaimon | on my laptop |
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| 10:15.56 | eudaimon | i can't find ipw2200-sources |
| 10:16.05 | eudaimon | with apt-cache search |
| 10:16.15 | wols | you don't need them |
| 10:16.18 | wols | !ipw2100 |
| 10:16.19 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2100 was the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets (http://ipw2100.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2100.sf.net/firmware.php (v1.3 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:16.41 | wols | inluded since kernel 2.6.14, you run at least 2.6.18 |
| 10:16.48 | Kovensky | how about iwlwifi-firmware? |
| 10:17.02 | Kovensky | or is that another driver? |
| 10:17.02 | wols | Kovensky: depends on his kernel which he didn't tell us |
| 10:17.10 | eudaimon | wols: ok, tnx, and i ned just firmware version 1.3 ? |
| 10:17.11 | wols | another |
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| 10:17.25 | wols | eudaimon: read the factoid again |
| 10:17.44 | eudaimon | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 10:18.02 | wols | !te |
| 10:18.02 | dpkg | somebody said te was a good EPIC script, complete with colour and stuff. Telugu, a language spoken in the Andhra Pradesh state of Southern India. |
| 10:18.08 | wols | oops |
| 10:18.33 | Kovensky | dpkg: kek |
| 10:18.33 | dpkg | Kovensky: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:18.44 | Kovensky | somebody cleaned up the bot :) |
| 10:19.00 | wols | and for good reason |
| 10:19.04 | Kovensky | ofc |
| 10:19.07 | Selveste1 | !linux |
| 10:19.07 | dpkg | it has been said that linux is closed |
| 10:19.18 | jelly | wtf |
| 10:19.19 | Selveste1 | !ubuntu |
| 10:19.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:19.32 | jelly | !factinfo linux |
| 10:19.32 | dpkg | linux -- created by linux <jim@earth.laney.edu> at Sun Mar 26 08:59:07 2000 (3112 days); it has been requested 841 times, last by Selveste1, 24s ago; it has been locked by linux. |
| 10:19.33 | wols | Selveste1: stop that. query the bot on private if you want to |
| 10:20.01 | jelly | doesn't get the linux factoid |
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| 10:20.36 | wols | dpkg: forget linux |
| 10:20.36 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, wols |
| 10:21.43 | Pavlz | i am in an hurry |
| 10:22.19 | Pavlz | i downloaded the package basero how can i install now ? |
| 10:22.33 | wols | pi__: then you should have done what I asked you a LONG time ago |
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| 10:23.18 | wols | Pavlz: ^^ |
| 10:23.48 | Selveste1 | Pavlz - dpkg -i basero ? |
| 10:23.52 | pi__ | wols, i did =) but somehow after choosing 1600x1200@60Hz at the config, it still didn't work. i uncheck 1600x1200 and it now works at 1024x768 |
| 10:24.04 | wols | pi__: wasn't for you, sorry |
| 10:24.17 | pi__ | o.O :D np |
| 10:24.24 | wols | pi__: your log will tell you why it doesn't work in 1600x1200 btw |
| 10:24.31 | wols | and having such a LCD would be rare btw |
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| 10:25.33 | Pavlz | dpkg -i brasero |
| 10:25.33 | dpkg | package brasero is already installed |
| 10:25.33 | Pavlz | dpkg: errore processando brasero (--install): |
| 10:25.33 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.33 | Pavlz | Sono occorsi degli errori processando: |
| 10:25.34 | dpkg | Pavlz: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 10:26.12 | pi__ | hi there, i'm in a bit of a fix. i just installed debian on my desktop and on its first start up, my lcd monitor can't display anything because apparently the resolution or refresh rate is wrong |
| 10:26.19 | pi__ | oops |
| 10:26.21 | pi__ | wrong keyboard |
| 10:26.22 | pi__ | sorry about that |
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| 10:29.01 | pi__ | screen 0 is not DRI compatible |
| 10:29.03 | pi__ | what's DRI |
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| 10:31.16 | prahal | hi I add a segfault in latest xorg server libexa.so from experimental a few minutes ago ... though all I have is a an unreproducible use case (I was just clicking on text in eclipse pretty common and may be totally unrelated to the crash) and a segfault line in var/log/mesages . Is this enough to report a bug in that may one do something usefull out of Xorg[8424]: segfault at 40 ip b77d5147 sp bfb65020 error 4 in libexa.so[b77d1000+d0 |
| 10:31.16 | prahal | 00] ? I am interested because I already did some debugging for Xorg though with reproducible issues and the help of the X strike FAQ |
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| 10:31.52 | strk | is there a way to force reconstruction of /initrd.img and /vmlinuz to a specific installed kernel verison ? |
| 10:32.40 | strk | apart from doing that manually, that is |
| 10:32.59 | strk | both dpkg-reconfigure and apt-get instal --reinstall refused to do so |
| 10:33.20 | strk | saying: "Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled" |
| 10:33.54 | prahal | pi__, DRI is direct rendering for 3D . Currently only supported for 1 user session/1 screen per computer |
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| 10:35.02 | wols | pi__: Direct rendering infrastructure |
| 10:35.41 | wols | strk: both fils are not used |
| 10:35.50 | wols | strk: they are leftovers |
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| 10:36.27 | strk | wols: ok, I won't care then, thanks |
| 10:36.43 | pi__ | strange. is that needed to support a 1600x1200 resolution? it came up as an error in the xorg log (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 10:37.10 | Rapp | i am using kpowersave to suspend my notebook. however, kpowersave does nothing when i tell it do suspend to ram. if i echo 'mem' into /sys/power/state, my machine suspends quite fine. what do i need to do, so that kpowersave works? |
| 10:37.11 | wols | pi__: no it's not and that aiglx errors is not problem at all unless you want compiz |
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| 10:42.25 | Rapp | ok, solved my own problem. :) user needs to be in powerdev group, for sending hal power messages |
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| 10:51.26 | umarzuki | evening guys |
| 10:52.13 | umarzuki | wanna ask; how do i get open source nvidia with 3d acceleration works on lenny? |
| 10:52.29 | umarzuki | nouveu seems only for sid |
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| 10:52.46 | camion | hi |
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| 10:53.04 | camion | please which kernel should I install to run vmware server? |
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| 10:53.37 | umarzuki | they didn't state at the download page? |
| 10:54.01 | umarzuki | i ran with it lenny |
| 10:55.11 | camion | umarzuki, vserver kernel? |
| 10:56.10 | petemc | camion: the 686 kernel that comes with lenny works fine |
| 10:56.45 | camion | petemc, vmware configuration script complains about kernel source |
| 10:57.08 | camion | petemc, it seems that it has to recompile a new kernel from scratch |
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| 10:57.33 | petemc | camion: probably you're missing something or doing something wrong - that standard procedure when faced with an error is to research what the error is and try to fix it |
| 10:57.56 | petemc | camion: no, ive installed vmware many times on lenny, it works fine |
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| 10:58.42 | camion | petemc, did you configure the server with the *.pl script? |
| 10:58.50 | petemc | yes |
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| 10:59.03 | camion | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 10:59.03 | camion | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 10:59.09 | petemc | i suggets you google for one of the many guides and read |
| 10:59.29 | camion | petemc, I got the original documenation |
| 10:59.39 | camion | petemc, I'm following it right now |
| 11:00.13 | petemc | does it tell you to install kernel-header-`uname -r` |
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| 11:00.20 | petemc | headers, even |
| 11:00.28 | camion | petemc, I did |
| 11:00.53 | camion | petemc, but it couldn't find linux/version.h |
| 11:00.53 | petemc | i would double check your work |
| 11:02.15 | christoz | hello i'm trying to unzip a package with "archive-manager" but i get this message http://pastebin.com/m206c6ec8 , note that i've already download the file twice |
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| 11:03.24 | X1938 | cd home/chemical/Desktop/ |
| 11:03.37 | X1938 | unzip liferay-portal-tomcat-6.0-5.1.1.zip |
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| 11:04.07 | X1938 | christoz , try that... |
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| 11:04.34 | christoz | yes, i'm downloading one more time |
| 11:04.39 | christoz | i 'll check |
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| 11:15.04 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.18 | Pavlz | how to transer files from a pc to an other pc ? |
| 11:15.36 | petemc | scp, ftp, http |
| 11:15.46 | petemc | smb, nfs |
| 11:15.53 | petemc | etc |
| 11:15.56 | geek | Fish! ;p |
| 11:16.25 | Pavlz | and how to enter via ftp or http ? |
| 11:16.45 | petemc | ftp client or a browser connecting to a ftp or http server |
| 11:16.51 | petemc | seeks kinda obvious |
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| 11:16.54 | Pavlz | from the first one i have not ip |
| 11:17.17 | Pavlz | of the second one i got the ip |
| 11:17.47 | geek | er... if its the same two computers... |
| 11:18.01 | Pavlz | so i can copy all the files, to remove from my thinkpad and to remove this shit of ubuntu |
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| 11:18.48 | Pavlz | i thank you |
| 11:18.50 | Pavlz | to all |
| 11:19.01 | Pavlz | and now i go to sleep |
| 11:19.08 | Pavlz | good night |
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| 11:20.03 | geek | ooh, much hatred i sense in this one |
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| 11:22.03 | petemc | itym ignorance |
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| 11:25.38 | WormFood | I can't believe I had to fuckin' reboot my computer to fix Linux....I don't think I've EVER had to do that before, except in the case of hardware problems, and I've been running Linux for a decade |
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| 11:25.50 | WormFood | for OVER a decade |
| 11:25.54 | meeero | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.54 | meeero | lled cryptopp - in that parent directory i downloaded the patch and executed "patch < config.h.diff" as said in the manual. but this doesn't work for me, it says: patching file cryptopp/config.h, Hunk #1 FAILED at 1., 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file cryptopp/config.h.rej ... and i have no idea why. i also tried several combinations with it's parent directory or somehing, nothing worked here - any ideas what i'm doing |
| 11:25.54 | meeero | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.10 | abrotman | ask #mysql? |
| 11:26.30 | meeero | continue reading? :P |
| 11:26.37 | WormFood | man patch |
| 11:26.50 | meeero | yes, but i still don't get it |
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| 11:27.08 | abrotman | and see #mysql ? |
| 11:27.09 | meeero | even that homepage doesn't give further parameters or something.... |
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| 11:28.50 | WormFood | meeero, how is this a debian related issue? |
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| 11:29.15 | meeero | how is it mysql-related? i have no idea where to ask, i think this has to do with patch or so... i don't know |
| 11:29.15 | WormFood | are the debian patches to mysql causing you problems? |
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| 11:29.33 | meeero | no, my issue has nothing to do with mysql at all |
| 11:29.39 | meeero | it starts in the crypto-lib |
| 11:29.56 | WormFood | debian developers don't understand crypto |
| 11:29.57 | meeero | because i can't patch a file as said in that manual (given url) |
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| 11:34.47 | Tenkawa | mornig all |
| 11:34.53 | Tenkawa | er morning rather |
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| 11:38.23 | Tenkawa | anyone tried installing debian "only' to a macbook? |
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| 11:38.40 | Tenkawa | the wiki page is pretty outdated and vague and was just wondering if it still works |
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| 11:45.46 | WormFood | evening Tenkawa...it is 7:45 pm here :P |
| 11:46.23 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 11:46.23 | WormFood | I was under the impression most PC related OSes could be installed on the intel macs, but I really don't know for sure |
| 11:46.27 | Tenkawa | 7:45 am here |
| 11:46.39 | WormFood | I doubt that |
| 11:46.43 | Tenkawa | WormFood: its a mbr vs efi issue for the macbook |
| 11:46.47 | WormFood | I bet it is really 6:45 am there |
| 11:46.50 | Tenkawa | nopy |
| 11:46.56 | Tenkawa | eastern time |
| 11:46.57 | WormFood | I bet your clock is wrong |
| 11:46.58 | Tenkawa | 7:45 |
| 11:47.05 | WormFood | your clock is an hour fast |
| 11:47.08 | WormFood | :P |
| 11:47.09 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 11:47.11 | WormFood | EDT |
| 11:47.14 | Tenkawa | my brain is about 3 slow |
| 11:47.16 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 11:47.20 | WormFood | Eastern Gaylight "savings" tim |
| 11:47.22 | WormFood | time |
| 11:47.37 | WormFood | I'm glad they don't do that shit here! |
| 11:47.51 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 11:47.55 | Tenkawa | yeah its annoying |
| 11:48.12 | abrotman | !tell WormFood about gay |
| 11:48.30 | WormFood | but it does make it east for me, because when I talk to friends/family back home, I just change PM to AM and AM to PM, and don't have to do any math |
| 11:48.33 | drazak | abrotman: he wasn't using it as an insult |
| 11:48.44 | abrotman | really .. how was he using it? |
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| 11:49.00 | drazak | colloquial meanings include 'stupid, funny' etc |
| 11:49.09 | WormFood | apparently some people don't understand how the usage of the word "gay" has changed over the years |
| 11:49.20 | drazak | context matters more than denotation, and connotatin matters as much as context |
| 11:49.25 | abrotman | apparently it was being used in a bad light |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | otherwise he would have just called it Daylight Savings Time .. like a normal person |
| 11:49.55 | drazak | (my ability to spell has been degraded by this waking up at 6:30 thing, I'm in eastern daylight savings time) |
| 11:50.09 | WormFood | I used it because it rhymes, and sounds like the word I replaced, and made my feelings known about how stupid daylight "savings" time is |
| 11:50.17 | themill | drazak: how about you complain about it in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:50.36 | abrotman | WormFood: enough already .. don't try to weasel out of it |
| 11:50.48 | WormFood | don't try to weasel out of what? |
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| 11:51.27 | WormFood | daylight savings time is stupid, that is why I call it "gaylight savings time"....the very term I used indicates I think it is stupid |
| 11:51.45 | themill | WormFood: you are offtopic and being insulting. Please stop. |
| 11:51.48 | WormFood | I thought it was a clever pun myself |
| 11:51.54 | WormFood | insulting? how? |
| 11:51.59 | abrotman | just stop already |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | drop it |
| 11:52.09 | WormFood | I'm curious as to how that could possibly be insulting to anyone |
| 11:52.11 | abrotman | drop it |
| 11:53.12 | WormFood | only narrow minded people get insulted by what others say, everyone else just takes it as a different point of view. Quit trying to be insulted |
| 11:53.38 | OpenTokix | WormFood: You are wrong, no stop it and get on topic. |
| 11:53.55 | WormFood | OpenTokix, wrong about what? |
| 11:54.03 | abrotman | drop it |
| 11:54.11 | asg | !fruitsmite #debian |
| 11:54.11 | dpkg | smites #debian with a basketful of tangerines |
| 11:54.17 | WormFood | please enlighten me as to what I said wrong, because I see nothing wrong with what I said |
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| 11:54.32 | themill | WormFood: I'll explain it you in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | WormFood: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 12:03.05 | enouf | haha |
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| 12:05.32 | EE_BB | hii all How can I forward my debian gnome desktop to remote xp machine ? |
| 12:05.45 | abrotman | like VNC? or remote X? |
| 12:06.11 | EE_BB | remote X |
| 12:06.13 | EE_BB | prefer |
| 12:06.27 | abrotman | you need an X server for XP |
| 12:06.29 | petemc | theres a vnc client built in to gnome thats easy to use |
| 12:06.35 | et | petemc: other way around |
| 12:06.37 | petemc | erm, server even |
| 12:06.42 | petemc | right |
| 12:06.52 | petemc | vino |
| 12:06.57 | et | EE_BB: vnc will be way easier |
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| 12:07.48 | EE_BB | is there any freeware X server for xp ? yes vnc looks eaiser but I will do same thing on aix I need little practise :) |
| 12:08.43 | mquin | EE_BB: cygwin includes an X server for windows |
| 12:09.12 | EE_BB | ok I' try thanks alot for your helps |
| 12:09.31 | enouf | * Inability to run UNIX-based applications (through SUA) <-- haha, only blista ultimate allows you |
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| 12:10.18 | abrotman | enouf: wrong channel ? |
| 12:10.54 | enouf | abrotman: hrm, nope |
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| 12:11.47 | pozic | When I start Google Earth, Xorg CPU usage skyrockets. Is there anything that can be done about that or is Google Earth simply crapware? It used to be fast with version 3. |
| 12:12.25 | wols | pozic: direct rendering working? |
| 12:12.42 | pozic | wols: yes, but I don't know whether Google Earth is using that. |
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| 12:12.56 | wols | it is |
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| 12:15.07 | enouf | pozic: bloat? |
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| 12:16.13 | enouf | pozic: you haven't seen anything until you see Konq use a whopping 6.1KB/sec on my 15mbit/sec line, haha |
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| 12:16.58 | pozic | enouf: yes, I noticed Konqueror is not snappy anymore either. |
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| 12:17.09 | YurY_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7714722/ |
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| 12:17.37 | dvyjones | What program should I use to burn a CD image, and what parameters? |
| 12:17.39 | enouf | pozic: and the more one browses, the slow speed eventually stalls to a stand still |
| 12:18.05 | pozic | Someone ban YurY_ for spamming. |
| 12:18.10 | themill | !ops YurY_ wants kicking |
| 12:18.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: YurY_ wants kicking |
| 12:18.39 | pozic | dvyjones: k3b is no crapware anymore. |
| 12:18.59 | brif8 | Hi, I'm having a cron failure I keep seeing in syslog "CRON[number]: Authentication failure every minute or two minutes. It would also appear that entries in my crontab -e don't run either ? |
| 12:19.18 | pozic | enouf: memory leaks? |
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| 12:20.56 | enouf | pozic: worse |
| 12:20.58 | dvyjones | pozic: It crashes my comp though... |
| 12:21.34 | pozic | dvyjones: Qt: 3.3.8b |
| 12:21.34 | pozic | KDE: 3.5.9 |
| 12:21.34 | pozic | K3b: 1.0.5 |
| 12:21.38 | enouf | dvyjones: wodim |
| 12:21.39 | pozic | dvyjones: that works for me. |
| 12:21.52 | pozic | wodim is what k3b uses. |
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| 12:22.17 | enouf | dvyjones: wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso |
| 12:22.17 | dvyjones | pozic: I'm having some problems on upgrading software, that's why I want debian :P |
| 12:22.32 | dvyjones | enouf: Ty |
| 12:22.40 | enouf | dvyjones: you can add -dummy to test |
| 12:22.55 | dvyjones | enouf: I have lots of cds :p |
| 12:23.28 | mardi | i like debian |
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| 12:23.33 | pozic | How do I tell Google Earth that I want the gui fonts to be smaller? I already modified the guifontsize file below the User directory. |
| 12:23.46 | enouf | dvyjones: $ wodim -help 2>&1>/dev/null | less to search/highlight avail options |
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| 12:24.12 | nvz | pozic: when did google earth become a debian package? |
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| 12:24.44 | pozic | nvz: I don't know, but it is packaged, in case you were thinking of being a smartass. |
| 12:24.57 | enouf | haha |
| 12:24.59 | pozic | nvz: there is a make-google-earth package. |
| 12:25.15 | nvz | pozic: in which distro? |
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| 12:25.19 | enouf | pozic: is your GUI font issues on with that app? or certain apps |
| 12:25.22 | enouf | ? |
| 12:25.31 | craigevil | googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth, not actually Google Earth just a way to make it easily |
| 12:25.31 | enouf | s/on/only |
| 12:25.31 | pozic | enouf: only that app. |
| 12:25.38 | enouf | wow - /me --> more coffee |
| 12:25.49 | enouf | pozic: ok .. then not sure |
| 12:25.49 | nvz | nm, appears its in stable |
| 12:26.37 | nvz | interesting |
| 12:26.59 | nvz | not really, but I'm trying to fake interest |
| 12:27.49 | nvz | actually I'm downloading google chrome on the windows box sitting next to me atm |
| 12:28.32 | OpenTokix | exciting |
| 12:28.39 | nvz | I need to figure out if there is somewhere I can manually report bugs on it. cause I've already found some the auto report isn't going to catch |
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| 12:31.29 | pozic | nvz: is Chrome for Windows packaged on Debian? |
| 12:31.50 | nvz | pozic: no, but its more interesting than google earth |
| 12:32.15 | pozic | nvz: since when do you decide what's interesting? |
| 12:32.32 | pozic | should stop trolling |
| 12:32.32 | nvz | pozic: I've always decided what's interesting |
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| 12:33.04 | nvz | pozic: its got something to do with my state of sentient being |
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| 12:40.14 | enouf | !qotd0 |
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| 12:41.32 | enouf | i guess things didn't go so well in -offtopic? |
| 12:41.39 | dvyjones | Wodim isn't installed on my comp :( |
| 12:41.44 | dvyjones | And I can't install it... |
| 12:42.00 | themill | enouf: you could say that. |
| 12:42.01 | enouf | dvyjones: why not? what is? cdrecord? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:42.15 | dvyjones | enouf: I'm not running debian :P |
| 12:42.28 | enouf | dvyjones: then please go elsewhere and ask ;-) |
| 12:42.36 | dvyjones | cdrecord is installed. |
| 12:42.37 | enouf | dvyjones: but cdrecord should be |
| 12:42.46 | enouf | so, just substitute |
| 12:42.54 | dvyjones | Same syntax? |
| 12:43.12 | enouf | ofcourse - seen the -help above? |
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| 12:44.04 | enouf | though you might need to do cdrecord -scanbus and use dev=ATAPI:0,x,x for /dev/path |
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| 12:47.43 | enouf | dvyjones: are you trying to burn a debian iso? if not (and even if so), see your #distro-channel for instructs on how to use their versions/utils, etc |
| 12:48.07 | dvyjones | enouf: I managed to get it burning now... |
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| 12:48.44 | enouf | wait - so $ wodim -help 2>/dev/null | less does not work - neither does $ wodim -help &>/dev/null | less, however this does -> $ wodim -help 2>&1>/dev/null | less - so what am i seeing 0 or 3 ? |
| 12:49.30 | enouf | (or is my alias for less screwing with this) |
| 12:49.37 | dvyjones | Brb, Installing Debian now :D |
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| 12:51.00 | enouf | wait, it can't be 0, that's stdin :-P |
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| 12:51.53 | Octalot | enouf: strace says it's 2 |
| 12:52.26 | enouf | Octalot: interesting, thanks |
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| 12:53.36 | enouf | heh, wodim -help 1>/dev/null | less works too :-p |
| 12:53.52 | enouf | oops, nope, not really |
| 12:54.07 | Octalot | wodim -help 2>&1 | less |
| 12:54.10 | enouf | it just spits it out the same way as wodim -help does |
| 12:54.24 | Octalot | (in bash) |
| 12:54.44 | pozic | Can someone please say how I can change the font size of the menu bar text in Google Earth? I tried everything. |
| 12:54.52 | enouf | so the >/dev/null is useless? is wrong? is syntactically incorrect? |
| 12:55.21 | enouf | pozic: if nobody responds, try ##linux? ##linux-help? |
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| 12:56.12 | Octalot | Assuming you want to pipe stderr to less, redirecting stdout doesn't affect stderr |
| 12:56.14 | enouf | wow - i gotta split |
| 12:56.21 | enouf | sorry - see ya |
| 12:56.24 | Octalot | bye |
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| 13:05.24 | mmhd | Hy |
| 13:05.27 | mmhd | Hey * |
| 13:05.31 | F6F | ?? |
| 13:05.32 | F6F | hi |
| 13:05.43 | mmhd | Anyone knows if it is possible to add htaccess to a single file? |
| 13:06.30 | stew | mmhd: is there some reason that you would use htaccess instead of doing the configuration in /etc/apache2 ? |
| 13:06.58 | mmhd | I need to restrict viewing to one file only |
| 13:07.18 | stew | mmhd: you can do this with a Files or FilesMatch directive |
| 13:07.37 | mmhd | From apache conf files? |
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| 13:09.15 | stew | mmhd: yes, or from .htaccess. but you should only use .htaccess when there is some reason you can't edit apache's config |
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| 13:14.02 | nvz | anyone have any idea what may cause this sort of error "Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtklabel.c: line 260 (gtk_label_set_text): assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed." ? |
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| 13:14.48 | unop | nvz, badly written code |
| 13:14.51 | nvz | I just checked the BTS and there are 3 posts on #444292 relating to this exact error, but they are all using lenny/sid, I'm on stable and the program worked fine for over a week, now it just crashes with that |
| 13:15.29 | nvz | unop: yeah.. its a bit of a hack, but I don't understand why it would work then not work.. seems like it has to be something environmental |
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| 13:16.00 | unop | nvz, what application is this, that crashes? |
| 13:16.30 | nvz | chbg |
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| 13:17.08 | unop | nvz, hmm, well, file a bug report against chbg |
| 13:17.29 | nvz | unop: its already filed.. #444292 |
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| 13:22.28 | nvz | spies a replacement called gbackground that seems newer and possibly compatable with nautilus |
| 13:22.50 | nvz | the damn thing killed nautilus everytime it changed backgrounds even when it was working :-P |
| 13:22.59 | Octalot | nvz - have you uninstalled any localisation or icon packages? (thinking where it might have picked up the label text before) |
| 13:23.16 | nvz | not that I am aware |
| 13:23.46 | nvz | I would like to change my locale to ISO8859-1 or whatever though instead of UTF-8 |
| 13:23.56 | nvz | but I don't remember how |
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| 13:24.47 | themill | nvz: why? |
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| 13:25.11 | nvz | because changing everything else on the system to work with utf-8 is more of a PITA than just changing my locale |
| 13:25.28 | Vi^3PP | liable, ping |
| 13:25.33 | nvz | I've never had much luck with utf-8 things always end up not working right |
| 13:26.00 | bolt-wor1 | is still on ISO8859-15 |
| 13:26.06 | nvz | utf-8 is an all-or-nothing kinda thing |
| 13:26.11 | liable | Vi^3PP: hello |
| 13:26.20 | Vi^3PP | i got my wifi going |
| 13:26.26 | nvz | you gotta run around and make sure every app and terminal is using it or it messes things up |
| 13:26.32 | themill | nvz: so is any other encoding, except with utf-8, it can be "all". |
| 13:26.33 | liable | Vi^3PP: good stuff |
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| 13:27.02 | Vi^3PP | ended up changing kernel just to see if that was problem... but i think main problem was no declared essid and the wifi does not like open/wep |
| 13:27.09 | Vi^3PP | its woring in wpa |
| 13:27.40 | nvz | IDK.. I only understand EN_US, so all this locale stuff, and characters utf-8 supposedly displays properly I don't comprehend anyhow |
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| 13:28.01 | liable | Vi^3PP: heh, thats odd, but its good it works that way around |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | nvz: what are you tring to do? |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | trying |
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| 13:28.27 | Vi^3PP | its been solid since connecting |
| 13:28.51 | nvz | right now I'm just trying to setup an auto-changing background.. but we were talking about changing my locale back to Western US or whatever 8859-1 or whatever it is |
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| 13:29.21 | nvz | because I have applications that don't work right cause apparently my terminal, screen, or something isn't in utf-8 |
| 13:29.23 | Vi^3PP | nvz, dpkg-reconfigure locales... DONT use localpurge |
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| 13:29.49 | nvz | I tried that, it just asks me which ones to build, not which one to use |
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| 13:31.06 | nvz | I don't know where it got that I wanted UTF-8 to begin with. I chose to build 3, never said which one I wanted to use |
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| 13:32.53 | nvz | wow, this gbackground is in spanish.. heh |
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| 13:33.38 | nvz | thats the first time I've ever installed a debian package and it was in spanish |
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| 13:37.49 | nvz | wow, this program is not only in spanish, but it doesn't work.. |
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| 13:41.35 | Petrov | when is the new release of debian 5.0? wasn't 2008-09-XX? |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | !wwlr |
| 13:41.51 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 13:41.56 | nvz | the only thing I can think of that I did since I started having issues with chbg is installing libgl1-mesa-dri and using the 3d support for my Ati Radeon Mobility |
| 13:42.16 | Petrov | thx |
| 13:42.49 | nvz | I'm gonna turn it back to VGA and see what happens |
| 13:42.53 | tarzeau | Petrov: when the curve hits the ground: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:42.56 | squidfaceExtreme | Hi, I am unable to get my tftp-hpa server working. I'm using xinetd, and I can successfully use dhcp3 for the laptop that I'm planning to net install Debian on. Basically, when I do a test of `tftp localhost -cv pxelinux.0` I get the error message "Error code 2: Only absolute filenames allowed" |
| 13:43.03 | nvz | erm vesa |
| 13:43.12 | tarzeau | oh sorry it's in the factoid anyways |
| 13:44.03 | mmhd | stew: how can I add a restriction for a file using filematches? |
| 13:44.04 | stew | Petrov: 2008-09 was just a guess someone was making a few months ago. debian doesn't actually set hard dates for releases |
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| 13:44.20 | Petrov | oké |
| 13:44.31 | squidfaceExtreme | Googling only really gave me one relevant result to change everything to chmod 777 but that didn't help. One thing I'm concerned about is in inetd.conf it says in the Debian instructions that you should have the user 'nobody' in there, but if I have that then the file transfer times out altogether. 'root' on the other hand works. |
| 13:45.28 | squidfaceExtreme | Does anyone know where I could have gone wrong? |
| 13:45.49 | nvz | wow, its working again |
| 13:46.03 | stew | mmhd: something like <Files /path/to/file> \n Order allow,deny \n Allow from _____ \n Deny from all \n <Files> |
| 13:46.25 | nvz | unfortunately thats only like 30+ packages and easily 20 or more different config lines in my xorg config to rule out as being the problem |
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| 13:47.30 | stew | squidfaceExtreme: you pretty much never want to be using 777, and you do want nobody, not root. when it says "Only absolute filenames allowed" i'd guess it means you should be using "/path/to/pxelinux.0" instead of "pxelinux.0" |
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| 13:49.13 | mmhd | stew: thanks but it should be Deny from all \n </Files> |
| 13:49.14 | mmhd | Right? |
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| 13:50.12 | squidfaceExtreme | stew: But that's the thing, if I set it to nobody then it times out. Should I make a user called nobody then? And what should I set the permissions to in the tftpboot folder, something like 644? |
| 13:50.58 | squidfaceExtreme | sorry, there is already a user called nobody. durh |
| 13:51.30 | stew | squidfaceExtreme: 755, not 644 |
| 13:52.35 | stew | squidfaceExtreme: when you connect as nobody, do you see a process starting as nobody? |
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| 13:52.44 | stew | i don't kjnow if xinetd logs anywhere |
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| 13:54.45 | squidfaceExtreme | stew: Okay, I've set the permissions to 755, I'm not sure what you mean by connecting as 'nobody' and what I'm supposed to be monitoring to see a process starting as 'nobody'. |
| 13:55.22 | stew | squidfaceExtreme: when it times out, does xinetd actually create the server process |
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| 13:58.32 | squidfaceExtreme | stew: Hey, it appears so. I'm using htop to monitor that and it showed up when I tried to start the transfer. |
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| 13:58.42 | squidfaceExtreme | stew: Was that what you were looking for? |
| 13:58.42 | dniel | hi!... I want to make a debian router like CISCO. I want it boot from flash memory and when you change some configuration it'll be saved in ram but not in the flash memory. IS it possible? |
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| 14:02.24 | jelly | dniel: anything is possible, it's software after all. you could use a setup with unionfs like some livecds do |
| 14:02.56 | jelly | don't ask me how, though |
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| 14:03.28 | squidfaceExtreme | Yep, that's exactly what happened. |
| 14:04.18 | squidfaceExtreme | Except it's timing out again. |
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| 14:06.43 | dniel | jelly, okey... I'll google it |
| 14:07.07 | jelly | or download a livecd or three and figure out how they work |
| 14:07.33 | Xyc0 | im getting a little popup window that says my kernel failed |
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| 14:07.42 | Xyc0 | no error, just asking if I want to report it |
| 14:07.49 | jelly | dniel: eg. grml.org is debian-based, and you can aptitude update and upgrade packages, all changes are in ram |
| 14:09.08 | mmhd | stew |
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| 14:09.14 | mmhd | apparently it didn't work |
| 14:09.15 | mmhd | ;/ |
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| 14:10.17 | zamba | tool for handling UPS? |
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| 14:10.26 | bolt-wor1 | bat |
| 14:10.31 | zamba | i have powerware |
| 14:11.41 | stew | mmhd: show us what you added ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:14.38 | mmhd | stew: <Files /var/www/z/test.txt> Order allow,deny Allow from 127.0.0.1 Deny from all </Files> |
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| 14:15.51 | stew | mmhd: and which part isn't working? the allow, or the deny? |
| 14:16.14 | mmhd | The deny |
| 14:16.16 | mmhd | check pm |
| 14:16.22 | mmhd | you can view the file |
| 14:16.28 | mmhd | you must not be able ;x |
| 14:16.52 | squidfaceExtreme | Something tells me its probably what I have in that inetd.conf file. |
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| 14:17.16 | zamba | how can i check when dhclient next time will try to renew the ip? |
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| 14:17.36 | stew | squidfaceExtreme: you mean xinetd.conf, not inetd.conf, right? |
| 14:17.54 | stew | mmhd: where did you add that Files directive? |
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| 14:18.03 | zamba | or, to ask in another way: how can i force the renewal of the ip address? to make it fail proof.. |
| 14:18.21 | mmhd | <Files ~ "^\.ht"> Order allow,deny Deny from all </Files> |
| 14:18.24 | mmhd | Stew ^ |
| 14:18.28 | mmhd | After that one. |
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| 14:19.08 | stew | mmhd: where is that? |
| 14:19.20 | mmhd | /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 14:19.41 | stew | mmhd: you are using apache, not apache2? |
| 14:19.47 | mmhd | apache |
| 14:19.48 | mmhd | yeh. |
| 14:20.08 | stew | mmhd: did you run /etc/init.d/apache reload? |
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| 14:20.17 | stew | zamba: the leasee are in /var/lib/dhcp3 |
| 14:20.36 | stew | zamba: i'm not sure how you would release one though |
| 14:20.47 | squidfaceExtreme | stew: yeah, doesn't do it |
| 14:20.47 | mmhd | stew I only did restart |
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| 14:21.45 | mmhd | stew: I did reload but still visible |
| 14:21.46 | mmhd | ;/ |
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| 14:23.47 | stew | mmhd: i believe that you want to give a location not a directory, so try "z/test.txt" intstead of "/var/www/z/test.txt" (assuming that the url would be something like http://server/z/test.txt) |
| 14:24.29 | grand_grunt | I got an issue while trying to use ffmpeg2theora. May be due to old CPU (Celeron II). What is the best way to make ffmpeg2theora running on it? |
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| 14:25.09 | stew | mmhd: actually, i think files just matches on filename, not path, so "test.txt" would probably work, or use <Location z/test.txt> |
| 14:25.36 | dr1v3r | guys i have installed xorg ontop my server and so far through config it comes to a part about minotor settings. the problem i have is that i do not have a monitor connected to my server i access it via ssh. So i was wondering if anyone is able to help fix this problem please as during config it does not give me the option of selecting NO Monitor :( |
| 14:25.55 | abrotman | dr1v3r: so why would you isntall X ? |
| 14:26.00 | mmhd | stew: so it would be like: <files test.txt> ? |
| 14:26.27 | stew | mmhd: <Files test.txt> or <Location z/test.txt> |
| 14:27.13 | zamba | stew: i'm sitting at a remote location, so i need to renew the ip of the interface.. and i have to make sure that it completes this task, since i'll most probabaly lose my connection the second the client releases the ip before renewing it.. |
| 14:27.17 | stew | actually it is probably <Location /z/test.txt> |
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| 14:27.22 | zamba | stew: basically i'm changing the ip |
| 14:28.12 | Octalot | grand_grunt: IANADD, but look through the build log for processor-specific GCC flags, file a bug that the i386 build uses not-i386 flags? |
| 14:28.15 | stew | zamba: is it setup for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:29.13 | zamba | stew: yup |
| 14:29.22 | dr1v3r | abrotman i was told earlier by someone in here thats what i require, as i was trying to install fwbuilder as it has a gui, which is what i was looking for |
| 14:29.26 | stew | zamba: perhapd "nohup /etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 14:29.31 | zamba | auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:29.52 | zamba | stew: ok, fingers crossed :) |
| 14:30.18 | grand_grunt | Octalot: What is strange is that I got the 686 kernel on this old CPU.. I'll try to compile with good flags (first time I do that..) |
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| 14:30.24 | stew | dr1v3r: run fwbuilder on some other host that already has X, and then migrate the script it generates to the server. fwbuilder will even help push the script to a remote server via (for instance) scp |
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| 14:31.26 | zamba | stew: thanks, worked like a charm :) |
| 14:32.01 | stew | zamba: you're welcome :) |
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| 14:32.38 | mmhd | stew: so what would be the block to restrict that file? |
| 14:33.18 | stew | mmhd: exactly what you have now, excpt change <Files /whatever> to <Location /z/test.tzt> |
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| 14:33.32 | dr1v3r | i dont have another host bud ( |
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| 14:34.22 | stew | dr1v3r: you only have one machine running linux, and it is this server? |
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| 14:35.33 | dr1v3r | no thsi is a windows box :D |
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| 14:35.46 | dr1v3r | my spare machine is linux |
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| 14:36.05 | dr1v3r | i am trying to learn ere lol |
| 14:36.40 | dr1v3r | just not happening as keep runing into probs lol, i will end up using webmin or something at this rate lol |
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| 14:38.06 | g00se | If i've inserted my mobile with a USB cable (not recognised as a block device), how can i tell if it's been recognised in /dev as some other sort of device? |
| 14:38.16 | petemc | dmesg |
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| 14:39.00 | abrotman | dr1v3r: you can run it remotely .. |
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| 14:39.21 | g00se | petemc: Thanks, i'll try it |
| 14:39.44 | dr1v3r | ano yea thats why i am trying to install it onto my spare box which is the one i am having problems with |
| 14:40.47 | stew | dr1v3r: perhaps fwbuilder isn't the tool for you |
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| 14:41.10 | mmhd | stew: You don't have permission to access /z/test.txt on this server. |
| 14:41.11 | mmhd | :D |
| 14:41.13 | mmhd | Thanks. |
| 14:41.20 | dr1v3r | do i need xorg installed to get fwbuilder sorted? i do not have a monitor connected to my deb box |
| 14:41.48 | stew | dr1v3r: yes, running fwbuilder requires xorg |
| 14:42.02 | dr1v3r | stew is there any other package that has a gui were i can setup my iptables etc? |
| 14:42.09 | g00se | Looks like it has been recognised in some way, but i think gammu expects it to map to /dev/mobile |
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| 14:42.48 | dr1v3r | and with xorg, do you have to have a monitor connected? or mentioned in config file? |
| 14:43.02 | ezguy | i ran update with aptitude and it report file: tmp/main packages [error] file not found... any ideas howto fix this problem? |
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| 14:43.41 | squidfaceExtreme | So hey, I solved the problem by ditching tftp-hpa and going with tftpd instead. |
| 14:44.22 | squidfaceExtreme | I think tftp-hpa is meant to work with inetd, whereas tftpd integrates with xinetd. |
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| 14:45.14 | ipstatic | Is is bad if there are numbers greater than 24 in /proc/interrupts ? |
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| 14:45.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.23 | ipstatic | i have 4 devices that have irqs that are in the 100s and 200s |
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| 14:45.36 | ipstatic | wols: thanks |
| 14:46.18 | stew | dr1v3r: if you are going to use a gui, you might as well use fwbuilder. i'm sure there are others though, yes. you could setup a vncserver instead of setting up xorg. many vncservers would not require a monitor |
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| 14:46.54 | Vsau | Try guarddog |
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| 14:47.57 | dr1v3r | will check that out. thanx bud |
| 14:48.28 | dr1v3r | just one more thing,,,,does every GUI require xorg? or just certain ones? |
| 14:48.29 | trumpen | how can I make munin and dhcp cohexist? I need to update /etc/munin/munin.conf when a client changes its ip-address...is that possible/easy to do? |
| 14:49.15 | stew | dr1v3r: not every gui requires xorg, no |
| 14:49.59 | Vsau | Vummr (or something that spells like that) has ncurses interface. |
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| 14:50.15 | dr1v3r | stew good good...thanx man |
| 14:50.21 | g00se | Someone here using gammu - can you tell me how your device is connected and recognised? |
| 14:50.31 | rkvirani | What the hell is wrong with Debian, I am installing from a USB stick and it wont let me continue on without a CDROM! |
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| 14:51.04 | stew | rkvirani: yes, the hd-media installer expects to find an iso on the usb stick |
| 14:51.14 | stew | rkvirani: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 14:51.29 | rkvirani | uhh I have burned the ISO to the USB stick |
| 14:52.04 | stew | rkvirani: ok, you can also read the install guide: /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:52.09 | rkvirani | using unetbinlin |
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| 14:52.30 | WntrMute | hi folks |
| 14:52.54 | rkvirani | stew: yes |
| 14:53.05 | WinterMute | is anyone else experiencing problems with ftp.se.debian.org? |
| 14:53.06 | rkvirani | if you read what I wrote as per the message I am booting off my usb stick |
| 14:53.13 | stew | rkvirani: yes, i did |
| 14:53.20 | rkvirani | and my computer boots off it and the BIOS is set to boot off |
| 14:53.33 | stew | rkvirani: ok |
| 14:53.34 | rkvirani | it, if it wasnt then I would be telling you that I could not boot |
| 14:53.37 | rkvirani | but I can boot |
| 14:54.09 | WinterMute | I keep getting this on my debian VPS when running apt-get update |
| 14:54.11 | WinterMute | http://rafb.net/p/paAc5827.html |
| 14:54.35 | abrotman | WinterMute: try another mirror |
| 14:54.45 | stew | rkvirani: so, i'm giving you instructions on how debian instructs you to install from a usb stick, you are telling me, "yes, i read those directions, and have chose not to follow them, I'm trying to devise my on, alternate way of installing from a usb stick" |
| 14:54.57 | stew | ^on^own |
| 14:55.11 | rkvirani | err umm the instructions told me to use unetbinlin |
| 14:55.54 | stew | rkvirani: oh, in what chapter? |
| 14:55.59 | stew | that must be something new |
| 14:56.13 | stew | rkvirani: these are the lenny instructions or the sid instructions? |
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| 14:57.16 | stew | hmm, no the lenny instructions match the etch instructions |
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| 14:58.48 | stew | rkvirani: "unetbinlin" doesn't have any matches on google. was that a typo? |
| 14:59.49 | abrotman | might not hurt to ask where he got his instructions? |
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| 15:00.33 | jerzey | i've got problems setting up a backup strategy: how do you recover file system permissions? i set up a fresh debian etch install, recovered the installed packages via dpkg --set-selections - but depending on the install order, the users get different ids, so the file permissions do not match anymore |
| 15:00.43 | jerzey | how would you handle this problem? |
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| 15:01.24 | Nwallins | what's the "right" way to ensure an /etc/init.d/ script starts on reboot? |
| 15:01.36 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.47 | jelly | jerzey: save your /etc, including passwd, group, shadow, gshadow, and restore then first before doing a dselect clone |
| 15:01.50 | rkvirani | sorry vmware crapped out |
| 15:01.54 | rkvirani | stew: it was a typo |
| 15:01.57 | rkvirani | unetbinin |
| 15:02.22 | jelly | Your search - unetbinin - did not match any documents. |
| 15:02.55 | jerzey | Nwallins: update-rc.d |
| 15:03.10 | rkvirani | but I suppose I have to go read some chapter, which one? |
| 15:03.13 | Nwallins | jerzey: thanks |
| 15:03.15 | petemc | what the hell is wrong with debian that you cant use an app that seems not even to exist to boot off a usb key! |
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| 15:03.29 | jelly | debian sucks. |
| 15:03.31 | jerzey | jelly: will try, thank you |
| 15:03.36 | rkvirani | jelly: lol |
| 15:04.46 | Nwallins | petemc: apt-get install magic |
| 15:04.58 | petemc | cheers |
| 15:06.51 | rkvirani | stupid vmware |
| 15:06.52 | rkvirani | heh |
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| 15:07.41 | Herr_Achter | hi there |
| 15:07.53 | Herr_Achter | how do i start sshd ? |
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| 15:08.28 | Nwallins | Herr_Achter: should start automatically; otherwise /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 15:08.57 | abrotman | Herr_Achter: is openssh-server installed ? |
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| 15:09.23 | Herr_Achter | no |
| 15:09.29 | Herr_Achter | i will try that |
| 15:09.31 | Herr_Achter | thanks |
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| 15:12.20 | g00se | It seems that i can't write into a dir that's part of a chroot - is this normal? |
| 15:12.40 | wols | no |
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| 15:13.22 | g00se | wols: Even sudo fails to make a difference. What could be the reason? |
| 15:13.38 | rkvirani | stew: so Im reading this USB-HD Installll link on wiki.debian.org and its not making sense |
| 15:13.41 | stew | g00se: what exact command are you running? |
| 15:13.42 | rkvirani | I dont have a debian install yet |
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| 15:13.56 | rkvirani | what does it want me to do? How do I update init-ramfs from windows? |
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| 15:14.22 | g00se | stew: I'll try one again and tell you |
| 15:14.29 | stew | rkvirani: what page are you looking at. i'd recommend just reading the install guide |
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| 15:15.05 | rkvirani | http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 15:16.05 | stew | rkvirani: that is how to install debian to a usb drive, not how to install debian from a usb drive |
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| 15:16.13 | Herr_Achter | i have installed openssh-server |
| 15:16.18 | Herr_Achter | but when i start ssh |
| 15:16.20 | Herr_Achter | it says |
| 15:16.37 | Herr_Achter | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdCould not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 15:16.37 | Herr_Achter | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 15:16.37 | Herr_Achter | . |
| 15:16.45 | Herr_Achter | whats wrong? |
| 15:16.55 | rkvirani | doh! |
| 15:17.07 | rkvirani | they should name it persistant USB install |
| 15:17.11 | stew | Herr_Achter: try dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 15:17.16 | rkvirani | stew: so where then would I go |
| 15:17.25 | stew | rkvirani: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 15:18.58 | rkvirani | stew: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530967 is not helpfull |
| 15:19.18 | g00se | stew: I think i had the bar raised pretty high - was trying to write to it over a sshfs. It works on the same box |
| 15:19.48 | jelly | sshfs is alpha quality |
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| 15:20.36 | jelly | ... and I have absolutely no idea about how fuse and chroot interact |
| 15:20.41 | Herr_Achter | ok now it works |
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| 15:20.47 | Herr_Achter | thank you guys |
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| 15:21.12 | stew | rkvirani: it serves its purpose which is to say that it is a valid choice, as it says at the top of that section, there is an entire chapter devoted to obtaining install media |
| 15:21.18 | Pandemic187 | quick question: if i install a weekly snapshot of testing and update it, will it be as up-to-date as a daily build? |
| 15:21.18 | dudeman | alpha? |
| 15:21.40 | dudeman | Pandemic187, yes |
| 15:21.45 | Pandemic187 | ok good |
| 15:21.52 | dudeman | that was weird |
| 15:22.12 | dudeman | (will I be uptodate if I update my system to the latest?) |
| 15:22.13 | Lagbolt | yeah what is "alpha quality" |
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| 15:23.36 | g00se | jelly: badly - by the looks |
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| 15:24.41 | rkvirani | hrm... |
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| 15:25.54 | rkvirani | stew: install-mbr must be done form within debian |
| 15:26.02 | g00se | jelly: It IS alpha but a bit of a PITA as far as authentication is needed to mount it |
| 15:26.07 | rkvirani | if I burn netinst.iso to a USB stick and then COPY the full ISO will that work? |
| 15:26.22 | jelly | g00se: public key auth! |
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| 15:27.03 | dudeman | rkvirani, no |
| 15:27.10 | dudeman | rkvirani, did you bother to read the install guide? |
| 15:27.16 | dudeman | obviously not. |
| 15:27.21 | dudeman | !tell rkvirani -about ig |
| 15:27.24 | rkvirani | dudeman: yes Im reading it fuck-tart |
| 15:27.28 | rkvirani | its not telling me much |
| 15:27.34 | dudeman | 'are you serious? |
| 15:27.53 | rkvirani | If you want to install over the network, without using an ISO image, you will of course skip the previous step. Moreover you will have to use the initial ramdisk from the netboot directory instead of the one from hd-media, because hd-media/initrd.gz does not have network support. |
| 15:27.59 | rkvirani | not telling me much |
| 15:28.29 | dudeman | read chapter 5 |
| 15:28.31 | rkvirani | install-mbr how do you do that if you dont have debian installed yet |
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| 15:28.45 | dudeman | in fact, read 3, and 4 and 5, especially 5.1 |
| 15:28.57 | g00se | jelly: Yeah but there's still the passphrase |
| 15:29.01 | Tominator | hi! I've got a problem with my r8169 card... trying to install debian etch (netinstall) the dhcp-server doesn't really respond, or the card doesn't work... I'm online through this dhcp server, so it should be the fault of the card/driver... :D ist something known with this card? |
| 15:29.02 | rkvirani | logically hrm.. shouldnt then 5 be before 4 hrm... |
| 15:29.10 | dudeman | rkvirani, propose a change. |
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| 15:29.47 | wols | !tell Tominator about etchnhalf |
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| 15:29.58 | jelly | g00se: the passphrase can be nonexistent |
| 15:30.25 | jelly | g00se: (or, your ssh-agent will take care you only enter it one time per session) |
| 15:30.52 | rkvirani | dudeman: how? |
| 15:31.12 | dudeman | rkvirani, I'm guessing you can file a bugreport on the debian installer documentation package of the web |
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| 15:31.36 | dudeman | rkvirani, I'm not sure how, however I do believe that the installer documentation is not the issue. |
| 15:31.47 | rkvirani | alright I will look around |
| 15:31.49 | dudeman | In fact, it is definitely not an issue. |
| 15:31.59 | g00se | jelly: Yes, it can be, but in my case isn't. Still i only use it once per session - it's just that my passphrase is particularly long ;-) |
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| 15:32.08 | rkvirani | this documentation is not straightforward and assumes a whole lot about the enviroment a user already has |
| 15:32.21 | rkvirani | Im on a windows machine, I Want to get debian on to mylaptop, currently it has windows ... |
| 15:32.27 | jelly | g00se: sounds like a layer 8 issue! |
| 15:32.28 | dudeman | rkvirani, you may wish to try Ubuntu instead of you need finger holding. |
| 15:32.39 | dudeman | rkvirani, /msg dpkg debian.exe |
| 15:32.41 | rkvirani | dudeman: I dont need finger-holding, I need good documentation |
| 15:32.59 | dudeman | rkvirani, if itsn't good enough for you, you can try to make it better for everyone. |
| 15:33.01 | adama | you know rsnapshot, what is a similar alternative that can be run from a user-level only account? rsnapshot must be run as root |
| 15:33.10 | rkvirani | debian has always been confusing and convoluded to install Im trying to get past this barrier |
| 15:33.16 | rkvirani | I have installe dmany mnay distros |
| 15:33.18 | dudeman | rkvirani, no one is forcing you to use it. |
| 15:33.33 | dudeman | if it makes you uncomfortable then you really shouldn't be using it. |
| 15:33.33 | rkvirani | slackware debian ubuntu redhat mandrake |
| 15:33.35 | rkvirani | gentoo |
| 15:33.36 | rkvirani | etc.. |
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| 15:33.52 | rkvirani | dudeman: hrm.. well I Want to give it a try but ... perhaps gentoo wil have to suffice |
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| 15:34.46 | squidfaceExtreme | Oh, looks like I'll be doing a debian net install with the net capped at 64k, this should be fun. |
| 15:34.50 | squidfaceExtreme | In any case, later. |
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| 15:35.40 | dudeman | if you want to give it a try, sure. However there are better ways of carrying a discussion. 1) Dont' name call. 2) Don't come to #debian and put it down. 3) if you are not satisfied with its documentation, propose a solution instead of griping. Now you've be told exactly where the information it, you've been given two diff methods to get debian on your system. If you read carefully you may discover a few more methods. Good luck. |
| 15:35.55 | dudeman | s/it/is |
| 15:36.06 | bjwebb | if i want to compile an external module along with my kernel, what do i do? |
| 15:37.05 | cahoot | bjwebb: you want to add a module? |
| 15:37.15 | rkvirani | I will propose solutions, I am furstrated b/c ppl keep pointing to documentation that simply isnt sufficient |
| 15:37.16 | bjwebb | yeah |
| 15:37.37 | bjwebb | cahoot: yeah, but to a kernel as i build it, not afterwards |
| 15:37.43 | cahoot | bjwebb: see if module-assistant offers the option to add the module you want |
| 15:38.07 | cahoot | bjwebb: err - you have a custom kernel |
| 15:38.12 | dudeman | rkvirani, years ago I was a newb. I merely followed the installation guide and it worked the first time around. On almost every single debian install method (yes I've tried them all for experience, except serial console isntall) |
| 15:38.19 | bjwebb | cahoot: yeah |
| 15:38.30 | dudeman | rkvirani, once again, the documentation is not the issue. |
| 15:38.43 | rkvirani | dudeman: but this is not standard hardware and its not a standard setup |
| 15:38.46 | dudeman | rkvirani, go read, come back with specific questions regarding installation |
| 15:38.53 | cahoot | bjwebb: just compile it then? |
| 15:39.04 | rkvirani | Section 4.4 how do I do this without a linux bo |
| 15:39.06 | rkvirani | x |
| 15:39.06 | dudeman | rkvirani, then it would be better if you were to give us complete information |
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| 15:39.15 | bjwebb | cahoot: i want it to be compiled along with the kernel |
| 15:39.18 | dudeman | rkvirani, /msg dpkg debian.exe (for the 2nd time) |
| 15:39.21 | rkvirani | I have a windows box |
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| 15:39.48 | luminerd | I am going to be using partimage to back up the whole system to a image (then "restore" to around 20 identical machines). What is the best format to use for the partition I back up to? |
| 15:39.56 | luminerd | Someone recomended XFS to me, but Gparted only will let me do ext2, 3, fat16, 32, swap, and reiserfs |
| 15:39.59 | cahoot | bjwebb: this is something not provided with the kernel src? |
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| 15:40.05 | bjwebb | cahoot: yeah |
| 15:40.11 | dr1v3r | anyone know an auto config package for IPtables? i need the package to have an interface where it explains everything and not just exiting a config file |
| 15:40.16 | luminerd | And cfdisk doens't seem to have xfs option either |
| 15:40.19 | rkvirani | deiban.exe wont work because my network card wont get picked up |
| 15:40.35 | snikker | hi, anyyone can help me with horde? i can't login (fresh install)... |
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| 15:40.40 | cahoot | bjwebb: I see -sorry to disturb you |
| 15:40.41 | dr1v3r | i am thick as hell when it comes to iptables, i just hope sumone can recommend something |
| 15:40.50 | mquin | dr1v3r: firestarter might be what you're looking for |
| 15:40.58 | dudeman | rkvirani, once you read the install guide debian.exe bocomes easy |
| 15:41.11 | dudeman | rkvirani, perhaps you are using an older debian, like say 4.0 etch |
| 15:41.26 | bjwebb | cahoot: okies |
| 15:41.27 | asg | dr1v3r: you may wish to look at the firewall portion of Bastille, it does a good job of explaining all the things it will do |
| 15:41.37 | rkvirani | dudeman: lenny |
| 15:41.41 | dudeman | rkvirani, which NIC btw? You may have better luck with lenny, as I've never used Etchnhalf so I can't comment on it |
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| 15:42.50 | rkvirani | uhh dont quite know |
| 15:42.52 | rkvirani | it s abroadcomm |
| 15:42.58 | rkvirani | on an hp mininote 2133 |
| 15:42.59 | dudeman | oh wireless |
| 15:43.08 | Tominator | wols: thanks a lot ;) |
| 15:43.11 | adama | I'm looking for a similar alternative to rsnapshot, that can be run from a user-level only account. rsnapshot must be run as root |
| 15:43.21 | dudeman | I'm not sure on how to have the installer install the wifi firmware and get it up |
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| 15:43.27 | dudeman | (/me stays away from wireless) |
| 15:43.44 | dudeman | rkvirani, but yes, there is a way, though not so easily done, I agree |
| 15:43.52 | rkvirani | dudeman: not wireless wired |
| 15:43.54 | rkvirani | there are two nics |
| 15:43.58 | wols | you copy it to a usb stick or such and while installing you copy it over to /lib/firmware/ |
| 15:43.58 | rkvirani | they are both Broadcomm |
| 15:43.59 | gnarf__ | hifi, does anybody know how i can repair mysql-tables, which are locked and set to read only? |
| 15:44.07 | stew | rkvirani: install-mbr only needs to be run if you have replaced the mbr and don't have one that will boot the first active partition. Since many people don't have to do it, it goes at the end of the instructions. the equivalent command on windows would be "fdisk /mbr" |
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| 15:44.10 | dudeman | wols, ahh |
| 15:44.15 | stew | rkvirani: do not call people names in here |
| 15:44.25 | dr1v3r | mquin thanks will check it out......asg once i have suomething hardcoded infront of me that i can reffer the docs to i pick it up easier, were going in blind, seriously i just freak and give up lol |
| 15:44.34 | wols | dudeman: you don't need network anyways while installing debian from netinst |
| 15:44.38 | dr1v3r | i will check it out also though thanks man :D |
| 15:44.44 | stew | rkvirani: your other option is to do the "simple" way instead of the "more flexible" way |
| 15:44.49 | dudeman | wols, not from netinst no |
| 15:44.53 | dudeman | netboot only. |
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| 15:45.53 | dudeman | rkvirani, you know what you can do... download debian netinst iso, use debian.exe to isntall grub and configure it. go to debianinstaller website and download the hd-media kernel/initrd, and boot those with debian.exe's installation of grub |
| 15:46.11 | gnarf__ | does anybody know how i can repair mysql-tables, which are locked and set to read only? <== no ideas? :/ |
| 15:46.42 | dudeman | gnarf__, #mysql |
| 15:47.11 | dudeman | stew, which would be to burn/boot from cd? |
| 15:47.20 | dudeman | can't get any simpler than that |
| 15:47.48 | stew | dudeman: i'm talking about usb-install |
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| 15:47.52 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 15:49.33 | dr1v3r | welll i am now locked out of my box |
| 15:49.39 | dr1v3r | :( |
| 15:49.52 | dudeman | dr1v3r, lost password? |
| 15:50.02 | dr1v3r | firestarter |
| 15:50.11 | dudeman | oh that sucks |
| 15:50.28 | dudeman | yeh looks like you'd need local access to the machine now :( |
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| 15:50.46 | bahadunn | anyone use rkhunter in debian? |
| 15:51.04 | dudeman | bahadunn, maybe. |
| 15:51.07 | dr1v3r | here is me expecting to see some imput on the screen from an interface type thing,,,,guess firstarter does not have that option |
| 15:51.32 | bahadunn | notice anything like rkhunter failing to run because of a syntax error recently? |
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| 15:52.07 | bahadunn | a syntax error in /usr/bin/rkhunter |
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| 15:52.44 | bolt-wor1 | and that's why you never set up a new firewall remotely |
| 15:53.05 | dudeman | bolt-wor1, no you can |
| 15:53.12 | dudeman | bolt-wor1, just explicitly keep a path open. |
| 15:53.31 | grand_grunt | is there a way to change User Agent of Epiphany? |
| 15:53.41 | bolt-wor1 | dudeman: sure, if you keep your tongue straight. i wouldn't advice it though |
| 15:54.06 | dudeman | bolt-wor1, well obviously one experienced enough will know what to do. As a general rule of thumb, you are right however. |
| 15:54.24 | jsaak | hello, can anyone confirm that lenny's nautilus (2.22) is using gnome-vfs instead of gvfs? is there an easy way to switch that to gvfs? |
| 15:54.32 | bahadunn | dudeman: notice anything strange with rkhunter recently? |
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| 15:54.38 | dudeman | bahadunn, I do not use it. |
| 15:54.50 | stew | bahadunn: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:54.52 | bolt-wor1 | dudeman: the ones considering themselves experienced enough will always do what their experience tells them to do, no matter what's smart |
| 15:54.58 | dudeman | bahadunn, I merely answered your 'not so smart' question. |
| 15:55.01 | bahadunn | stew: its not in the bts |
| 15:55.06 | stew | bahadunn: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:55.15 | bahadunn | stew: I dont think it is a bug |
| 15:55.37 | stew | bahadunn: failing to run becuase of a syntax error is a bug |
| 15:55.53 | dudeman | and doesn't it tell you which line # etc? |
| 15:55.57 | dudeman | perhaps you can look at the script? |
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| 15:56.15 | dudeman | maybe its a minor syntax issue like 1 character off |
| 15:56.25 | bahadunn | it seems strange to me that a package that has not been upgraded in a month and has been runnign fine up until about 3am today suddenly develops a syntax error and so cron produces errors about rkhunter failing to run because of a syntax error |
| 15:56.31 | dudeman | you should really report the bug though |
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| 15:56.48 | bahadunn | sighs |
| 15:57.08 | Tominator | hi! |
| 15:57.10 | stew | bahadunn: perhaps some other package was upgraded causing the problem? |
| 15:57.16 | dudeman | and you are sure you didn't upgrade to get infected and the integrity of your rootkit is good? |
| 15:57.20 | dudeman | rkhunter* |
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| 15:57.28 | dudeman | s/to/or |
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| 15:57.42 | bahadunn | stew: I dont see how as /usr/bin/rkhunter belongs to the rkhunter package |
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| 15:57.46 | dudeman | its getting colder every day, sorry for my typing errors :( |
| 15:57.59 | bahadunn | stew: and I have not done upgrades until this morning about 8:30 am |
| 15:58.14 | bahadunn | I think I need to re-install my machine |
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| 15:58.22 | stew | bahadunn: rkhunter uses code from other packages, however |
| 15:58.26 | bahadunn | I dont want to but I cannot help but be paranoid about this |
| 15:58.31 | stew | doesn't it? |
| 15:58.41 | stew | bahadunn: can you show us what the error is? |
| 15:58.48 | Tominator | i just installed debian, and set some partitions (all primary): /boot / /share and swap... my bios tells me, that there is no bootable partition.,.. where do i have to set the bootflag to? |
| 15:58.48 | bahadunn | sure |
| 15:59.00 | bahadunn | /usr/bin/rkhunter: line 9363: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' |
| 15:59.05 | dudeman | Tominator, the / partition |
| 15:59.08 | dudeman | er.. /boot |
| 15:59.13 | stew | Tominator: you don't have to set the bootflag, you have to install a bootloader, such as grub or lilo |
| 15:59.29 | dudeman | oh right ... grub doesn't care |
| 15:59.32 | Tominator | grub is installed |
| 15:59.38 | dudeman | grand_grunt, on the mbr? |
| 15:59.55 | Tominator | sorry? :) |
| 15:59.57 | stew | Tominator: but it doesn't start? |
| 16:00.03 | Tominator | yap |
| 16:00.08 | Tominator | i don't know |
| 16:00.09 | stew | Tominator: then it sounds like your bios is looking at the wrong drive |
| 16:00.13 | Tominator | its a sata drive |
| 16:00.18 | Tominator | but hdd is first |
| 16:00.21 | Tominator | in the bios |
| 16:00.32 | bahadunn | stew: the snippet of code in volved is this |
| 16:00.34 | bahadunn | http://pastebin.com/m4582ffc3 |
| 16:00.51 | bahadunn | stew: notice the end of the line before the fi |
| 16:01.02 | bahadunn | stew: it should say 'then' but it says 'the1' |
| 16:01.07 | dudeman | if [ -h "${RKHROOTDIR}/root/.bash_history" ]; the1 |
| 16:01.11 | dudeman | yeh |
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| 16:01.37 | bahadunn | now mind you I have fixed that and run rkhunter since and it shows no warnings or anything |
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| 16:01.59 | bahadunn | but it is freaking me out as to know how that 'then' turned into a 'the1' |
| 16:02.11 | bahadunn | but in my investigation I dont see anything unusual |
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| 16:02.44 | stew | Tominator: make the drive that you intall grub to first |
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| 16:05.30 | jsaak | i think sooner or later dpkg should respond to "gvfs" |
| 16:05.43 | jsaak | the bot, i mean |
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| 16:06.17 | dr1v3r | -ok guys i think i am getting myself confused here somewhere,,,,anyway when installing certain packages, for example x server you get a window on your screen with an explaination and there a text feild box to enter the rtequired information |
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| 16:07.12 | dr1v3r | but when doing it throu SSH and you see that window with the information and the text feild box, what is that exactly? is it a GUI or is it called something else? |
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| 16:09.22 | dr1v3r | for example firewall builder it has a GUI but i want to be able to veiw that through the SSH terminal, what would i need to do that? |
| 16:09.33 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 16:09.33 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 16:09.53 | simonrvn | also, 'view', 'field' |
| 16:09.55 | Xyc0 | it works in mac too :D |
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| 16:10.38 | jsaak | dr1v3r: the blue windows (ncurses) works fine throug ssh, no need to forward X |
| 16:11.01 | ingw3 | hello! after i updated debian(etch) it wont boot more just till: "starting mta:" and then nothing :S anybody knows whats the problem? |
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| 16:11.41 | asg | ingw3: did you wait for "Starting MTA: " to timeout? |
| 16:11.44 | dr1v3r | jsaak i tried that firewall builder but i could not get the interface part of it through my ssh :( |
| 16:11.54 | ingw3 | asg: i waited like 10-15 min |
| 16:12.15 | Xyc0 | ingw3: i would reconfigure exim |
| 16:12.23 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: those ncurses windows are made by dialog; they come up when debconf gets called by the installation scripts in the .deb |
| 16:12.24 | Xyc0 | ingw3: or just uninstall it |
| 16:12.45 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: the firewall builder thing you do need to forward x |
| 16:13.15 | dr1v3r | so the interface part is only available locally then i am guessing |
| 16:13.34 | dr1v3r | i couldnt have it show that interface throu ssh |
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| 16:13.51 | simonrvn | you can, yes |
| 16:13.57 | Xyc0 | ingw3: If you uninstall it though, you will have issues with mail |
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| 16:14.28 | ingw3 | Xyc0: hmm |
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| 16:14.50 | dr1v3r | simonrvn i only have 1 linux box though that i access using ssh from a windows machine |
| 16:15.16 | simonrvn | !putty |
| 16:15.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/, or see <putty linedraw> |
| 16:15.34 | dr1v3r | i use putty |
| 16:15.55 | jsaak | eheh, but you need an X server for windows too |
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| 16:16.15 | dr1v3r | i need x server on the windows box also? |
| 16:16.27 | asg | ingw3: if you can't get it to boot past that point, pass 'init=/bin/sh' to the kernel, mount '/' rw, and then run 'sudo update-rc.d -f exim4 remove' (or put 'exit 0' after the shebang line in /etc/init.d/exim4). |
| 16:16.28 | jsaak | if you want to forward x then YES |
| 16:17.00 | Xyc0 | asg he left, i was going to tell him to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:17.05 | dr1v3r | i dont want to forward x lol. i just want a firewll package that give you the blue window thing throu ssh :( |
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| 16:18.00 | jsaak | dr1v3r: search for an ncurses based firewall configurator |
| 16:18.13 | asg | Xyc0: generally, you get that issue when there is a network problem; it usually times out though. |
| 16:18.32 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: no |
| 16:18.34 | rkvirani | I will burn netinst and then copy the iso over :D |
| 16:18.38 | rkvirani | I will give htis a try |
| 16:19.12 | dr1v3r | simonrvn? |
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| 16:21.16 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: so decide what you to do, then proceed to do it. |
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| 16:21.42 | trumpen | how can I get the ip from a MAC address? I can do arp -a and then filter the output...is there a more direct way to do so? |
| 16:21.56 | simonrvn | what you want* |
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| 16:22.33 | dr1v3r | i basically wanta package where i install it and then when installing the blue windows appears and i go through the configuration like that |
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| 16:23.32 | simonrvn | !tell dr1v3r -about search |
| 16:24.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.55 | wols | debconf? |
| 16:24.57 | dudeman | yeh |
| 16:25.08 | wols | dr1v3r: what is this window thing supposed to do? |
| 16:25.14 | dudeman | configure X |
| 16:25.17 | dudeman | ... |
| 16:25.23 | dr1v3r | i know about search simonrvn, but to be honest i dont know exactly what the correct termology is for everything, so unless i ask i wont find out, and when i find out i can then start a detailed search |
| 16:25.33 | wols | dr1v3r: X is not a "firewall package" |
| 16:25.44 | dudeman | not xorg |
| 16:25.48 | dudeman | X as in 'whatever' |
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| 16:26.13 | wols | dr1v3r: you can't configure a firewall in a meaningful way via debconf |
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| 16:26.32 | dudeman | wols, I think he was asking about xorg |
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| 16:26.47 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: apt-cache takes more than one argument to search, for one thing. what you need is to get the basics first, otherwise you'll be eternally in the dark. |
| 16:26.52 | wols | dudeman: you think wrong: i just want a firewll package |
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| 16:27.06 | dudeman | yes but his original question was |
| 16:27.10 | dudeman | entirely different |
| 16:27.17 | dudeman | which as yet to be answered |
| 16:27.28 | wols | he's trying to configure a firewall since forever. X is only a sideshow for him |
| 16:27.41 | simonrvn | it was answered |
| 16:27.50 | wols | even he probably doesn't need one and certainly shouldn't do it either |
| 16:27.55 | dudeman | nm I misread/lines got crossed |
| 16:27.59 | dudeman | excuse me |
| 16:28.02 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:28.04 | Nwallins | he wants a text-based (ncurses) gui |
| 16:28.10 | Nwallins | for fw conf |
| 16:28.12 | simonrvn | ^^^ wols |
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| 16:29.45 | dpecka | hi all |
| 16:30.13 | dpecka | [1]- Segmentation fault Xnest :1.0 -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 (wd: ~) // on etch |
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| 16:30.27 | rvsjoen | what about Vuurmuur, havent tried it, looks interesting, http://www.vuurmuur.org/trac/wiki/ScreenShots |
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| 16:31.20 | themill | dpecka: xnest does that... are you using xnest or xserver-xephyr? |
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| 16:31.51 | rvsjoen | anyway, also lots of options at http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
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| 16:32.47 | piasdom | can someone help me conf winecfg...i pasted my results at http://paste.org/index.php?id=3934 thanks |
| 16:34.57 | rvsjoen | a good start would possibly be installing the package that provides libXxf86vm.so.1 (libxxf86vm1) |
| 16:35.10 | dpecka | themill, xnest |
| 16:35.11 | piasdom | don |
| 16:35.23 | piasdom | don't know that package |
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| 16:35.48 | themill | dpecka: it seems that xserver-xephyr is the prefered solution these days. I've not used it (not used xnest for years either) |
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| 16:36.03 | dpecka | themill, ok .. thanks for advice |
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| 16:36.21 | dpecka | themill, i will use it instead then xnest |
| 16:36.23 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, I've just downloaded some debs (gimp 2.6 + deps) from the Internet. I've put them all in the one folder. How can I install gimp 2.6, and have it look in the same folder for the deps? |
| 16:36.38 | klikklak | hi all, I'm trying to install with a usb stick, I cat boot.img > /dev/sde1 and then mount it to move the iso there, but there isnt't any diskspace. what did I do wrong? |
| 16:36.41 | simonrvn | just use dpkg |
| 16:36.44 | klikklak | the card is 16gb |
| 16:36.47 | simonrvn | ArtVandalae: just use dpkg |
| 16:36.51 | wols | ArtVandalae: just install them all at once, gimp and deps |
| 16:37.22 | ArtVandalae | simonrvn, wols thanks. All I needed to do was dpkg -i * |
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| 16:37.39 | piasdom | thanks for your help rvsjoen |
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| 16:40.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | Is kde4 in lenny yet? |
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| 16:40.48 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: no, it will never be |
| 16:40.58 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: k thanks |
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| 16:41.46 | simonrvn | klikklak: follow the install guide |
| 16:41.48 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 16:41.48 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 16:43.09 | edugonch | HEllo, what package do I need to install to have the lp command in my Etch system, thanks |
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| 16:43.43 | asg | edugonch: /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:45.45 | maplebed | can anybody tell me which version of python is default on a lenny install? |
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| 16:46.41 | asg | maplebed: 2.5.2 |
| 16:47.00 | stew | OMG why doesn't debian use 2.6 yet |
| 16:47.00 | maplebed | tnx asg. |
| 16:47.29 | stew | its been out since yesreday |
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| 16:48.04 | asg | stew: are you starting the BSP early? :) |
| 16:48.31 | stew | asg: we're waiting for you |
| 16:49.25 | asg | stew: to drink all the beer so you folks can get work done? |
| 16:49.27 | klikklak | got it, did the flexible way, rebooting |
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| 16:51.55 | torrr | rc bugs just rise |
| 16:52.08 | ejos | Greetings! |
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| 16:52.39 | ejos | Greetings! |
| 16:52.51 | ejos | Has somebody used iwatch? |
| 16:52.54 | torrr | Y RC have so much apps in? |
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| 16:53.27 | torrr | ejos, is this some Apple stuff? |
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| 16:53.58 | torrr | kidding |
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| 16:54.33 | ejos | nop, iwatch is a application to notify some change on your system, try aptitude install iwatch |
| 16:54.55 | torrr | ah, thought like iphone , imac |
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| 16:55.26 | torrr | ipod |
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| 16:56.47 | Xyc0 | ipood |
| 16:57.00 | ejos | Hi again! |
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| 16:58.15 | ejos | Has somebody used iwatch? |
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| 16:58.31 | adama | have you? |
| 16:59.02 | ejos | adama, yes |
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| 16:59.38 | adama | excellent. what's your question? |
| 16:59.39 | ejos | but i wanna catch USER, and i don't know if somebody make it |
| 17:00.16 | simonrvn | hands ejos a net, and some honey |
| 17:01.04 | bolt-wor1 | ejos: cathing a developer, on the other hand, would suck. or a maintainer. |
| 17:01.13 | simonrvn | ipooedonyou |
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| 17:01.39 | bolt-wor1 | good lunch? |
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| 17:01.51 | simonrvn | ejos : Please ask questions that are Specific, Informative, Complete, Concise, and On-topic. |
| 17:01.52 | ejos | yes, is a good one, but if somebody get in into my server how i know what is he doing? |
| 17:02.12 | ejos | simonrvn, sorry |
| 17:02.25 | bolt-wor1 | ejos: depends on how the user got into your server. if you've got a large enough box, open it up and have a look |
| 17:02.44 | simonrvn | heeeey, haha |
| 17:03.03 | JuRiJ | ejos, watch your logs, firewall etc... use IDS |
| 17:04.19 | rkvirani | dudeman: stew: it was lenny |
| 17:04.23 | rkvirani | wasnit picking up my nic |
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| 17:05.40 | Xyc0 | ejos: set up a packet sniffer and document everything that happens |
| 17:05.41 | ejos | yes, i use all the time; but with iwatch you can recesive a notifycation when something happen |
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| 17:06.03 | rkvirani | If Iuse unetlinin it works fine if I let it download and burn the stick |
| 17:06.11 | asg | ejos: there are other things like tripwire, aide, snoppy, and acct. If the machine is already compromised though, you really can't trust these tools post facto. |
| 17:06.20 | rkvirani | tripwire :D |
| 17:06.47 | Xyc0 | ejos: once you isolate the attacker, boot him off then review your packet logs |
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| 17:07.21 | Xyc0 | ejos: once you learn how he is attacking, you can look up ways to patch the vulrability |
| 17:07.38 | ejos | ok |
| 17:07.39 | Xyc0 | ejos: and keep a look out for that attack again |
| 17:07.55 | Xyc0 | so for now, boot up wireshark |
| 17:07.56 | JuRiJ | ejos, send your log to some other trusted machine... |
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| 17:08.17 | rkvirani | Anyone know of a good replacement for big-brother but not as complicated as something like nagios? |
| 17:08.21 | rkvirani | just want a simple dash |
| 17:08.25 | ejos | ok |
| 17:09.46 | ejos | thanks all |
| 17:10.43 | asg | rkvirani: you might have a look at 'monit' |
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| 17:11.39 | rkvirani | asg: cool got a url? |
| 17:11.46 | asg | rkvirani: apt-cache show monit |
| 17:11.59 | rkvirani | asg: sorry work has sles boxen |
| 17:12.03 | rkvirani | no debian :D |
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| 17:12.33 | asg | rkvirani: http://tildeslash.com/monit/ (first hit on google) |
| 17:12.39 | simonrvn | !fgi rkvirani monit |
| 17:12.39 | dpkg | rkvirani: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=monit |
| 17:12.43 | rkvirani | cool thanks |
| 17:12.53 | Pulpie | whats the open source ati driver one liner? |
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| 17:13.13 | asg | rkvirani: if you want something more 'Enterprise (TM)', I'd take a look at zenoss.com |
| 17:13.14 | abrotman | opensource? |
| 17:13.14 | stew | Pulpie: aptitude install xorg && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:13.26 | Pulpie | seriously? |
| 17:13.33 | stew | yes |
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| 17:13.49 | Pulpie | so the xorg package auto matically installs the driver for me |
| 17:13.51 | stew | Pulpie: which radeon chipset do you have? |
| 17:13.59 | Pulpie | radeon 9800 |
| 17:14.18 | stew | Pulpie: yes, it installs xserver-xorg-video-ati and that supports a radeon 9800 |
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| 17:15.33 | Pulpie | stew: so i have 100% 3d support? |
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| 17:17.17 | stew | Pulpie: afaik it will have 3d support. i don't know it would be possible to know if it has "100%" 3d support |
| 17:19.13 | Pulpie | ok thanks a bunch stew |
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| 17:21.27 | JuRiJ | stwe make sure he has Driver=ati in his xorg.conf |
| 17:21.40 | JuRiJ | stew, -||- |
| 17:22.18 | Pulpie | JuRiJ: i dont think i do have that |
| 17:22.20 | Xyc0 | are those radeonHD drivers working yet? |
| 17:23.31 | Pulpie | JuRiJ: so i add "Driver "ati"" under the device section of xorg.conf? |
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| 17:25.07 | JuRiJ | Pulpie: y, it's ati fol older chipsets |
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| 17:25.18 | Pulpie | huh? |
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| 17:26.02 | Pulpie | you said make sure he has driver ="ATI" in his xorg.conf |
| 17:26.03 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, make sure u have xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 17:26.12 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, installed |
| 17:26.33 | Pulpie | i do |
| 17:26.35 | stew | Pulpie: you can use either ati or radeon. radeon is the one you are actaully going to use, but if you were to put ati, it would detect a radeon and switch |
| 17:26.40 | stew | Pulpie: is ths etch or lenny or what? |
| 17:26.46 | Pulpie | lenny |
| 17:26.46 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, yes, in Device section u should have something like Driver=ati |
| 17:27.00 | JuRiJ | stew, or radeonhd for newer chipsets |
| 17:27.27 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1217069 that look about right? |
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| 17:27.43 | stew | JuRiJ: if he is running packages new enough to contain radeonhd, then he wouldn't need to specify anything, it would be detected at rungime |
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| 17:28.41 | JuRiJ | stew, hmm when I had my Radeon 1650Pro in my system, nothing was detected at runtime ...(Lenny with 686 kernel) |
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| 17:29.08 | Pulpie | with glxgears i get 1673 fps |
| 17:29.15 | JuRiJ | stew, is there any 3D support for radeonhd driver? |
| 17:29.23 | stew | JuRiJ: i have no idea |
| 17:29.31 | stew | JuRiJ: how long ago was this? |
| 17:29.41 | JuRiJ | stew, 3months back |
| 17:29.56 | stew | JuRiJ: then it should have been detected at runtime |
| 17:30.20 | Pulpie | !repos |
| 17:30.20 | dpkg | repos is, like, See entry for 'sources.list' |
| 17:30.24 | JuRiJ | stew, which package or program is responsible for this autodetection? |
| 17:30.27 | Pulpie | !sources.list |
| 17:30.27 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:30.47 | Pulpie | !non-free repo |
| 17:30.54 | Pulpie | !non-free repos |
| 17:30.56 | Pulpie | !non-free |
| 17:30.56 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:31.13 | Pulpie | !non-free sources |
| 17:31.14 | dpkg | non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 17:31.15 | asg | Pulpie: please /msg the bot |
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| 17:31.53 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, looks like u got 3D working ;) 16xx fps in glxgears ...hmm what are your PC specs? |
| 17:32.09 | Pulpie | JuRiJ: i didn't even do anything though |
| 17:32.14 | Pulpie | not even save xorg.conf |
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| 17:32.34 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, then u dont have to do anything :P ...it just works ;) |
| 17:32.49 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, maybe install compiz :D |
| 17:32.53 | Pulpie | lol |
| 17:33.05 | Pulpie | do i also put main contrib non-free on the deb-scr's |
| 17:33.10 | Pulpie | in sources list |
| 17:33.13 | prolix | a girl? |
| 17:33.35 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, #Lenny-Testing |
| 17:33.35 | JuRiJ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 17:33.35 | JuRiJ | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-fre |
| 17:33.58 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, something like this |
| 17:34.02 | prolix | makes perfect sense now |
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| 17:34.07 | Pulpie | JuRiJ: you have been a huge help ^_^ |
| 17:34.29 | Pulpie | you and stew ^_^ |
| 17:34.31 | JuRiJ | Pulpie, no problemo ^_^ |
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| 17:36.19 | dudeman | WHOAH!@ |
| 17:36.24 | Pulpie | !dev repo |
| 17:36.35 | Pulpie | whoa |
| 17:36.39 | dudeman | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6726522426109060914&ei=NwblSI3ODaGI-gG5vpifAg&q=debian&hl=en <-- YOU MUST check this out (if you try to make packages) |
| 17:36.44 | Pulpie | ... |
| 17:36.47 | dudeman | Anatomy of Debian Packages, very very informative video |
| 17:36.47 | Pulpie | dude no not even that |
| 17:36.56 | Pulpie | dustybin [i=subx@microsoft.devilcode.net] has joined #debian <--- DUDE |
| 17:37.17 | dustybin | ? |
| 17:37.35 | rkvirani | How do I disable "Saving VESA state..." on boot it makes my screen turn grey |
| 17:37.39 | dudeman | I am following this along with the nmg |
| 17:37.40 | dudeman | ;) |
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| 17:37.58 | dudeman | I wish I'd discoverd this video while I was trying to pacakge the maryo game |
| 17:38.12 | dudeman | anyway, I done did share it, now back to watching it |
| 17:38.18 | Pulpie | lol |
| 17:38.51 | Pulpie | dustybin: not smart having M$ in the hostmask and being in linux disto channels :P |
| 17:38.57 | Pulpie | thats how you get SHOT |
| 17:39.17 | dustybin | shot by whom? |
| 17:39.18 | Pulpie | dudeman: why isn't SMC in the repos |
| 17:39.29 | dudeman | its in unstable.. and someone stole it from right under my n ose |
| 17:39.32 | wols | dustybin: he talks rubbish being without a clue |
| 17:39.37 | dudeman | I was the co maint for like a week |
| 17:39.38 | dudeman | :/ |
| 17:39.51 | dustybin | Pulpie: undernet is that way =========> |
| 17:39.54 | dudeman | Muammar El Khatib is the maintainer |
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| 17:40.05 | dudeman | he also maintains the various libs the SMC game depends on |
| 17:40.06 | dryrot | is this video a waste of time [y/n] |
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| 17:40.09 | dudeman | (try unstable repos) |
| 17:40.14 | Pulpie | dustybin: it was a joke |
| 17:40.25 | dustybin | !tell Pulpie about jokes |
| 17:40.25 | Pulpie | im not putting unstable in this machine :P |
| 17:40.31 | Pulpie | !jokes |
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| 17:40.34 | wols | !tell Pulpie about ssb |
| 17:40.35 | Pulpie | !fail |
| 17:40.43 | dudeman | dryrot, I found it helpful, I just wanted to share it here. |
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| 17:41.03 | Pulpie | wols: i know about it |
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| 17:41.28 | wols | dryrot: what network card? |
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| 17:42.32 | dudeman | google video for "debian" and select longer than 1 hour or soemthing in legnth |
| 17:42.39 | dudeman | you get some seriously cool vids explaings bunches of thigns |
| 17:43.05 | Pulpie | dudeman: i make a small program but i doubt it will ever hit the repos |
| 17:43.13 | dudeman | Pulpie, check /msg dpkg policy |
| 17:43.19 | dudeman | Pulpie, make it comply and we can get it in there |
| 17:43.24 | dudeman | no problem. |
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| 17:44.08 | Pulpie | thats a lot of reading for just the debian repos |
| 17:44.37 | Pulpie | besides i don't know how to package a perl script in a way that it would be useful. |
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| 17:44.56 | dudeman | this isn't a children's game. This is a serious project with a social contract and rules/policies. If you are not serious about it obviously you won't take the time to read it. |
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| 17:45.06 | Xyc0 | perl is never useful to anyone besides the author |
| 17:45.07 | dudeman | that is why not just anyone can become a maintainer or developer |
| 17:45.13 | dudeman | any ol' joe |
| 17:45.18 | Pulpie | Xyc0: thats not true |
| 17:45.27 | dudeman | (well they can but it takes time and you need to show your motivation and intention) |
| 17:45.28 | asg | Xyc0: then use something else |
| 17:45.31 | Xyc0 | it's completely unmaintainable |
| 17:45.38 | Pulpie | Xyc0: not true. |
| 17:45.50 | Xyc0 | did you write it yourself? |
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| 17:45.55 | Pulpie | yeah |
| 17:45.56 | Xyc0 | did you have other people work on it? |
| 17:46.00 | Xyc0 | like a team? |
| 17:46.00 | Pulpie | yeah |
| 17:46.25 | Pulpie | i wrote a part my self and got help when needed |
| 17:46.33 | Pulpie | a big part but still a part |
| 17:46.34 | Xyc0 | that's not what I ment |
| 17:46.43 | dryrot | wols: are you talking to me , and are you talking about me whining that my thinkpad x60 is 1000 degrees, or that my dell server with 2 network cards appears to switch eth0 and eth1 around with the most recent lenny kernel ? |
| 17:46.53 | Pulpie | Xyc0: well fushi.sourceforge.net |
| 17:47.02 | Pulpie | you tell me thats not damn clean code |
| 17:47.07 | prolix | 1000! |
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| 17:47.25 | dudeman | omg! I've never seen the control file explained so fucking beautifully! |
| 17:47.31 | dudeman | wow |
| 17:47.45 | Xyc0 | perl can be as clean as you want it |
| 17:47.54 | dudeman | and rules! |
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| 17:48.04 | Xyc0 | it's still next to imposible for others to maintain |
| 17:48.09 | dudeman | I think I'll add a factoid for this video |
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| 17:48.21 | Xyc0 | its like black magic |
| 17:48.26 | wols | dryrot: YOU want help not me. if you don't like us asking pertitnet question about your problem: FOAD. /me puts dryrot on ignore |
| 17:48.32 | Pulpie | Xyc0: dude it is |
| 17:48.33 | Xyc0 | you can get it to work, but do you understand where your soul went? |
| 17:48.33 | asg | Xyc0: only for the uninitiated |
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| 17:48.50 | Xyc0 | im not mocking perl |
| 17:48.56 | Xyc0 | I love it for quick scripts |
| 17:48.58 | jelly-home | Xyc0: read and use Perl Best Practices |
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| 17:49.15 | dryrot | wols: im not trying to be annoying. i just wasnt sure if you were asking about a problem i asked about 20 hours ago (i admire your scrollback capability then!) or something i was complaining about only a few hours ago |
| 17:49.17 | dudeman | dpkg dpa is a Video tutorial/discussion of the Anatomy of Debian Pacakges - You should follow this along with the New Maintainers Guide -- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6726522426109060914&ei=NwblSI3ODaGI-gG5vpifAg&q=debian&hl=en |
| 17:49.17 | dpkg | okay, dudeman |
| 17:49.21 | Xyc0 | wouldn't it be amazing if coders followed best practices |
| 17:49.31 | dudeman | dpa = debian package anatomy |
| 17:49.43 | Azhrarn | saying perl is next to impossible to maintain is mocking it, as the maintainability is up to the people writing the code. Same with any language. |
| 17:50.03 | Pulpie | Xyc0: just look at frozen bubble |
| 17:50.10 | Pulpie | team of people work on that |
| 17:50.16 | Pulpie | works fine to me |
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| 17:50.20 | Azhrarn | if you want to use all implicit variables and function references rather then declaring local variables and using objects, that's your problem. |
| 17:50.39 | Azhrarn | it's quicker to write, sure, but not necessary by any means |
| 17:50.53 | dudeman | oh man... I can't make it to the bug squashign party on satudary |
| 17:50.55 | dudeman | :( |
| 17:51.01 | dudeman | its rahul's birthday |
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| 17:52.29 | dudeman | did you notice that they are teaching debian but it looks like they are using Ubuntu in the video? |
| 17:52.32 | dudeman | or is it just me? |
| 17:53.00 | PaulTT | hi all.. I accidentally installed an older kernel via aptitude and removed it... upon doing so, I got the following "the link /vmlinuz is a damaged link" and 'the link /initrd.img is a damaged link" telling me to re-run my boot loader--do I need to do anything? I never booted to that kernel and I'm still on the newer one. Is this a message I can ignore? |
| 17:53.13 | dudeman | it even has the ubuntu logo in it lol.. and they are teaching debian pacakging :) |
| 17:53.20 | Pulpie | dudeman: i use debian to teach debian :P |
| 17:53.35 | Pulpie | speically in http://fushi.sourceforge.net |
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| 17:53.48 | dudeman | Pulpie, well its a damn good video regardless I Was thinking about packaging up some favorite php frameworks so that the current versions are usually available in sid |
| 17:54.22 | Azhrarn | dudeman: If they are teaching packaging, it doesn't matter does it? |
| 17:54.27 | Azhrarn | It's still debian underneath |
| 17:54.27 | Pulpie | dudeman: how would one package a .deb so extract a single file to /bin |
| 17:54.28 | dudeman | Azhrarn, no. |
| 17:54.29 | Pulpie | :P |
| 17:54.50 | dudeman | I won't read for you. |
| 17:54.55 | Pulpie | Azhrarn: thats like saying heaven is still hell underneath |
| 17:55.02 | Azhrarn | what? |
| 17:55.10 | dudeman | eitherway it seems to be getting offtopic now |
| 17:55.19 | dudeman | stop |
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| 17:55.40 | dudeman | Pulpie, I advise reading the /msg dpkg nmg and/or /msg dpkg pacakge basics |
| 17:56.06 | dudeman | Pulpie, and you don't want to write to /bin |
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| 17:56.18 | dudeman | Pulpie, you really should read the policy and packaging guide |
| 17:56.36 | Pulpie | dudeman: i swear ill read them like monday :P |
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| 17:57.38 | dudeman | PaulTT, I imagine run update-grub ? |
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| 17:57.56 | dudeman | PaulTT, that should take care of it I think |
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| 17:58.37 | rgr | from the debian command line how does one query the default printer used by lpr? |
| 17:58.39 | dudeman | oh wait.. your links are broken.. I'm not sure but maybe you need to reinstall the kernel package? no idea just a shot int he dark |
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| 17:59.57 | dudeman | PaulTT, you can always manually go to / and sudo ln -s /boot/linux-kernel-filename-here and same with initrd and or whatever ... I'm sure you can work it out now |
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| 18:03.25 | stew | PaulTT: what bootloader do you use? if you use grub, just ignore it, becuase those symlinks aren't used anyway. they are used by lilo |
| 18:03.34 | PaulTT | grub, I think. |
| 18:03.35 | mmhd | Hello |
| 18:03.46 | stew | PaulTT: then ignore it |
| 18:03.51 | PaulTT | I reinstalled the kernel and it seems to have fixed it |
| 18:03.53 | mmhd | stew: you know how to make a crontab job so i can run a script to delete a file |
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| 18:03.56 | mmhd | every X munutes? |
| 18:04.00 | PaulTT | ... I don't suppose there's any harm in reinstalling? |
| 18:04.10 | dudeman | no |
| 18:04.25 | dudeman | its finee |
| 18:04.42 | stew | mmhd: "man 5 crontab" for the format of a crontab job. "man 1 crontab" for information about how to add a cronjob |
| 18:04.43 | PaulTT | thanks all |
| 18:05.00 | simonrvn | just that the install will say nasty things to you like "being reinstalled, stop now?" |
| 18:05.01 | dudeman | PaulTT, that lilo/grub diff I didn't particularly know but yeh, menu.lst doesn't use anything in /, it always specifies stuff in /boot |
| 18:05.07 | simonrvn | is j/k |
| 18:06.41 | dudeman | h |
| 18:06.45 | dudeman | argh |
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| 18:08.38 | dudeman | simonrvn, msg |
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| 18:13.20 | dudeman | awww, debian swirly is in a glass of milk and the swirly is made of choc syrup aww cute |
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| 18:16.57 | bolt-wor1 | thinks dudeman is aiming for the channel activity win |
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| 18:19.19 | Titan | can someone give me the UA string for firefox3 on lenny |
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| 18:19.33 | Titan | or iceweasel it doesn't matter |
| 18:20.07 | Titan | !dpkg ua |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | Ukraine - ua ukr 804 |
| 18:20.11 | Titan | you fail |
| 18:20.23 | \amethyst | Titan: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071618 Firefox/3.0.1 (Debian-3.0.1-1) |
| 18:20.32 | Titan | thanks |
| 18:20.44 | johnrw | hi folks I was trying to setup a transparent brige on a recent Debian, which uses bridge-utils 1.2, and it seems not to work like the earlier, bridge-utils 1.0.6. http://pastebin.ca/1217096 Anybody here know if Debian did something dramatic to bridge-utils? |
| 18:21.38 | simonrvn | !ua is also User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked. |
| 18:21.38 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 18:22.08 | simonrvn | 3.0.3's out |
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| 18:22.23 | Titan | simonrvn: you got ua for 3.0.3? |
| 18:22.32 | simonrvn | sec |
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| 18:22.48 | \amethyst | simonrvn: in Debian? |
| 18:22.54 | simonrvn | no |
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| 18:23.09 | Titan | use mozillas official packages? |
| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092416 Firefox/3.0.3 |
| 18:23.51 | Titan | cheers <3 |
| 18:24.35 | bahadunn | blah |
| 18:24.47 | Titan | I thought lenny would be out last month |
| 18:24.55 | \amethyst | Titan: of course s/Firefox/Iceweasel/ if you're using IW; I had User Agent Switcher enabled |
| 18:24.55 | wols | 3.0.3 only corrects a mozilla fuckup. |
| 18:24.59 | Titan | what are we waiting for? |
| 18:25.00 | bahadunn | who is lenny? |
| 18:25.10 | wols | umlauts in password manager |
| 18:25.13 | wols | bahadunn: binoculars |
| 18:25.13 | Titan | deb5* |
| 18:25.15 | stew | Titan: we are waiting for the rest of the release critical bugs to be fixed: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 18:25.28 | bahadunn | wols: yes I have a pair |
| 18:25.38 | Titan | ah thanks stew |
| 18:25.43 | wols | no, lenny ARE bincoulars |
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| 18:26.02 | bahadunn | wols: yes I am aware of that |
| 18:26.18 | simonrvn | deb 4.1 |
| 18:26.31 | bahadunn | simonrvn: what's up? |
| 18:26.36 | bahadunn | simonrvn: everything good with you? |
| 18:26.44 | simonrvn | hi. ltns. how you been? |
| 18:26.56 | bahadunn | pretty good |
| 18:26.58 | simonrvn | a lot, but doing well, thanks |
| 18:27.21 | bahadunn | you are in the great white north right? |
| 18:28.10 | dudeman | huh? |
| 18:28.12 | simonrvn | yeh, though becoming less so year by year ;) |
| 18:28.20 | bahadunn | true |
| 18:28.28 | bahadunn | one day it will just be the great north I guess |
| 18:28.33 | dudeman | why is it white? |
| 18:28.38 | bahadunn | snow? |
| 18:28.41 | bahadunn | ice? |
| 18:28.42 | dudeman | no but all year? |
| 18:28.45 | bahadunn | oh |
| 18:28.50 | bahadunn | not all year no |
| 18:28.54 | bahadunn | maybe some parts |
| 18:29.01 | bahadunn | but not mostly I should say |
| 18:29.02 | dudeman | so its just the great sometimes-white north? |
| 18:29.04 | dudeman | ;) |
| 18:29.11 | bahadunn | yes if we want to be really picky |
| 18:29.17 | dudeman | im bored, sorry |
| 18:29.20 | bahadunn | and super technical about it |
| 18:29.21 | dudeman | i'll stop |
| 18:29.24 | simonrvn | only really far north is it icy all year |
| 18:30.07 | bahadunn | dudeman: its okay |
| 18:30.18 | bahadunn | dudeman: picky is good |
| 18:30.43 | dudeman | actually it was a stupid save on my part, I was gonna make a racial joke but I thought better of it. |
| 18:30.51 | bahadunn | dudeman: I find picky people like to do things the right way instead of lazy people who do things bassackwards |
| 18:30.59 | dudeman | bahadunn, but yes i am very picky |
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| 18:31.05 | bahadunn | dudeman: I have noticed :-P |
| 18:31.22 | bahadunn | dudeman: racial joke? |
| 18:31.25 | bjwebb | im running a .27 kernel, but it thinks it is only .26, how can i fix this? |
| 18:31.28 | dudeman | don't worrya bout it. |
| 18:31.38 | bahadunn | bjwebb: compile it over and over and over again |
| 18:31.40 | dudeman | lol, how can a kernel think!? |
| 18:31.50 | bahadunn | dudeman: kernels are alive |
| 18:31.56 | bjwebb | bahadunn: lol |
| 18:31.58 | bahadunn | dudeman: mines is watching me all the time |
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| 18:32.10 | dudeman | isn't that against some privacy act? |
| 18:32.11 | bjwebb | bahadunn: i don't think that will help, unless i change some option first |
| 18:32.18 | bahadunn | bjwebb: is your kernel a debian kernel? |
| 18:32.19 | dudeman | anyway I gotta get back to coding... later folks |
| 18:32.25 | bahadunn | bjwebb: or a kernel.org kernel |
| 18:32.30 | bahadunn | dudeman: what coding? |
| 18:32.32 | ukl | hello. I'm kind of confused, there's an etch and a sid package for gnuradio, but nothing for lenny...how come? |
| 18:32.40 | bahadunn | dudeman: what coding do you do? |
| 18:32.41 | bjwebb | bahadunn: linux-libre, so probably closer to kernel.org |
| 18:32.50 | simonrvn | !why isn't gnuradio in testing |
| 18:32.50 | dpkg | gnuradio is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnuradio |
| 18:32.57 | simonrvn | ukl: ^^^ |
| 18:33.01 | dustybin | anybody now a quick way of restarting xorg from the command line? |
| 18:33.06 | dustybin | know |
| 18:33.18 | simonrvn | kill it |
| 18:33.24 | dustybin | pkill xorg ? |
| 18:33.45 | \amethyst | more likely pkill X |
| 18:33.50 | dudeman | pkill -9 X |
| 18:33.53 | \amethyst | err |
| 18:33.56 | \amethyst | don't use -9 |
| 18:33.56 | dustybin | thanks |
| 18:34.00 | dudeman | nah |
| 18:34.03 | simonrvn | !kill 9 |
| 18:34.03 | dpkg | subjects 9 to excruciating pain with a rusty dagger |
| 18:34.06 | dudeman | use it, kill it brutally! |
| 18:34.10 | simonrvn | !kill-9 |
| 18:34.10 | dpkg | i guess kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
| 18:34.11 | dudeman | bahadunn, php |
| 18:34.19 | \amethyst | that will usually leave your display in a broken state |
| 18:34.30 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 18:34.33 | dudeman | well you learn someting new everyday |
| 18:34.35 | dudeman | thanks simonrvn |
| 18:34.40 | dudeman | and \amethyst |
| 18:34.42 | dustybin | suspendtoram is a bastard to get working on my system |
| 18:34.50 | bjwebb | !plz fix my kernel |
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| 18:35.17 | dudeman | bahadunn, web2.0 applications and web development, mostly php and ajax stuff recently |
| 18:35.19 | simonrvn | bjwebb: what does the Makefile say it is? |
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| 18:35.36 | dudeman | anyway bye bye :) |
| 18:35.59 | bjwebb | simonrvn: 2.6.26 - is that the one to change? |
| 18:36.11 | simonrvn | um, don't change it |
| 18:36.27 | wols | there is no 2.6.27 yet. only rcs |
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| 18:36.46 | bjwebb | meh, i have a module that checks to see if it is .27 |
| 18:36.53 | bahadunn | dudeman: cool |
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| 18:36.57 | bjwebb | wols: surely a .27 rc should be called .27 |
| 18:36.59 | bahadunn | dudeman: you ever played with django? |
| 18:37.06 | bahadunn | dudeman: you do any drupal stuff? |
| 18:37.13 | wols | bjwebb: what did you download from kernel.org? |
| 18:37.27 | dudeman | bahadunn, #oswebdev |
| 18:37.30 | bjwebb | wols: nothing, i got it from linux-libre |
| 18:37.39 | dudeman | tahts my web dev channel (its offtopic here) |
| 18:37.43 | wols | bjwebb: what did you get then? |
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| 18:38.09 | bjwebb | wols: a .26 then i applied the .27 patch for the rc |
| 18:38.26 | wols | then I guess you didn't do it right |
| 18:38.36 | ukl | simonrvn: thanks a lot :} |
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| 18:39.25 | OlliBed_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.28 | abbe | hi all |
| 18:39.49 | abbe | how is debian lenny for a netbook ? |
| 18:39.59 | stew | !de |
| 18:39.59 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 18:40.51 | OlliBed_ | who search a team for the game plaese you melden privat |
| 18:40.58 | wols | stew: he didn't ask for debian help at all. actually I'm not totally sure what he asked. now he will only spam #debian.de |
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| 18:42.11 | dustybin | i have a 'PCI' based Nvidia graphics card in this box, why does lsmod | grep agp, list this: |
| 18:42.14 | dustybin | agpgart 28776 1 nvidia |
| 18:42.16 | dustybin | i2c_core 19828 3 lm85,nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 18:42.25 | dustybin | agpgart ? |
| 18:42.49 | abbe | I've an Acer AspireOne, and I'm planning to wipe off linpus and install debian lenny on it. |
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| 18:43.47 | \amethyst | dustybin: AIUI nvidia depends on the agpgart module regardless of your card's interface. But I could be wrong |
| 18:44.31 | stew | I'd guess that nvidia loads agpgart to search your agp bus for any potential agp nvidia cards |
| 18:44.51 | \amethyst | can modules change their dependencies at runtime, anyway? |
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| 18:45.13 | \amethyst | if not, that would explain it |
| 18:45.24 | dustybin | when i s2ram -f, my box suspends, when i bring it back to life, the machine crashes, there seems to be some wavy lines coming through the display |
| 18:45.49 | dustybin | i might need to blacklist the ic2_core module |
| 18:45.59 | \amethyst | how badly do you need 3D? |
| 18:46.07 | prolix | abbe: i'm sure your debian install will go fine, but you may want to take a look @: http://tuxmobil.org/acer.html |
| 18:46.09 | \amethyst | since it appears nvidia depends on i2c_core too |
| 18:46.16 | dustybin | i need the nvidia driver for mythtv |
| 18:46.51 | dustybin | ill try again with: s2ram -f -v |
| 18:49.00 | dustybin | if my PXE frontend box doesnt turn off properly, ie from a powercut, it boots up without the local loopback interface, i have to manually ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1, delete the /etc/udev network rule, then reboot. is there any way i could force start the local loopback interface before the box boots up? |
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| 18:52.23 | abbe | thanks prolix |
| 18:52.59 | abbe | BtW, is there anything like debian live USB, which I can try out, before starting to install |
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| 18:54.31 | stew | abbe: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:55.31 | prolix | abbe: you're welcome |
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| 19:02.10 | jerzey | does it make sense to backup /var/lib? not really, right? |
| 19:02.24 | abbe | thanks stew |
| 19:02.34 | stew | jerzey: it does |
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| 19:02.49 | jerzey | stew: if you only want to backup data? |
| 19:03.07 | stew | jerzey: that is the directory where apps would generally store data |
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| 19:03.41 | jerzey | i see, thanks |
| 19:03.47 | stew | jerzey: for instance all of the data that mysql stores for the mysql databases would go into /var/lib/mysql a postgres database would go into /var/lib/postgres. dpkg stores its data in /var/lib/dpkg... |
| 19:04.26 | jerzey | jup, i examined some files now, i just exclude the mysql dir |
| 19:04.48 | jerzey | at the moment i only backup /usr/local, is there anything else which is needed from /usr? |
| 19:05.14 | jerzey | here it looks like everything else is from packages |
| 19:05.42 | stew | jerzey: /usr/src ? |
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| 19:06.22 | jerzey | stew: ok, don't have it here as i try not to compile myself |
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| 19:06.28 | jerzey | thnaks for your help :) |
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| 19:08.15 | edugonch | Hello, I have a problem with cups, I have already installed the cups packages but now I want to delete a printer, so it ask for a password, I set the passowrd with "lppasswd -g sys -u root" the command exit without any output, but in the web interface (http://localhost:631) when I try to delete the printer and enter the user "root" ans password "xxx" for the authentification it fails |
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| 19:08.26 | edugonch | what can I do? thanks |
| 19:09.16 | JW | I seem to remember that there is a way to find out from apt or dpkg which packages were the last ones installed - does anyone know? |
| 19:09.31 | \amethyst | JW: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:09.49 | JW | \amethyst: I tried, it's empty |
| 19:10.03 | \amethyst | JW: do you have /var/log/dpkg.log.0 or .1 ? |
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| 19:10.30 | JW | \amethyst: ah, no. Thanks. |
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| 19:24.20 | Voland | hi guys - wonder if you can help with a problem that I've got (since no one else seems to be able to) - I run a 64-bit sid on a Dell XPS M1530 laptop and have an external Terratec Aureon 5.1 card to drive the 5.1 speakers.. I use a certain .asoundrc(I'll pastebin it later) which basically enables software mixing(the Aureon doesn't have a hardware mixer) - I get proper sound from all the apps except for flash.. My guess is (in fact I'm pretty |
| 19:24.48 | abrotman | whihc version of flash? |
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| 19:25.03 | Voland | 9 - the one from the debian multimedia repo |
| 19:25.19 | abrotman | does the sound work on the internal speakers? |
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| 19:25.36 | abrotman | and uh .. what's the point of having external sound device .. if it doesn't do hw mixing? |
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| 19:26.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: . |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:27.00 | bahadunn | abrotman: howdy |
| 19:27.12 | abrotman | what's up in the islands? |
| 19:27.21 | hifi | !html |
| 19:27.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, html is HyperText Markup Language, or that thing you use to write webpages. |
| 19:27.54 | tarzeau | hi bahadunn |
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| 19:28.06 | Voland | how else would you run a 5.1 speaker system on a laptop? - got it as a present from a couple of friends - didnt choose it myself |
| 19:28.31 | udoprog | how would i change in which order the modules for my two soundcards or loaded? |
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| 19:28.47 | stew | udoprog: list them in the order you want them loaded in /etc/modules |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | Voland: anyways .. i didn't do anything to get my flash to work .. does /dev/dsp exist ? |
| 19:29.04 | udoprog | stew: they already get autoloaded now, how is that done? |
| 19:29.06 | cahoot | doesn't modern flas use alsa? |
| 19:29.10 | Voland | nope.. |
| 19:29.11 | cahoot | flash |
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| 19:29.26 | stew | udoprog: you mean how do you get them listed in /etc/modules? |
| 19:29.29 | Voland | I don't have /dev/dsp |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | cahoot: i thought it did too .. wtf knows |
| 19:29.48 | udoprog | stew: no, i mean the modules already get autoloaded somehow, do you know how? |
| 19:29.59 | abrotman | Voland: modprobe snd_pcm_oss and see if that helps ? |
| 19:30.16 | cahoot | sure does here |
| 19:30.33 | tarzeau | tried swfdec-mozilla yet? |
| 19:30.41 | dudeman | tarzeau, ! |
| 19:30.47 | stew | udoprog: not exactly, i'd look in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa* |
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| 19:31.03 | tarzeau | dudeman: i don't remember you, who are you? |
| 19:31.05 | dudeman | Nyle |
| 19:31.10 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:31.38 | streuner | stoned |
| 19:31.53 | dudeman | streuner, well haven't been since my bday |
| 19:31.59 | dudeman | well, except for once |
| 19:32.00 | tarzeau | bahadunn: is your invitation still valid? |
| 19:32.04 | cahoot | udoprog: asoundconf should be able to let you choose which card is default |
| 19:32.11 | bahadunn | tarzeau: invitation for what? |
| 19:32.21 | bahadunn | tarzeau: long time no see |
| 19:32.22 | udoprog | cahoot: persistent? |
| 19:32.25 | bahadunn | tarzeau: everything good? |
| 19:32.32 | Voland | yeah - it does - the external is set to default.. |
| 19:32.33 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i want to see the cock island, or what was its name again? |
| 19:32.41 | cahoot | udoprog: yes - it creates an .asoundrc to that effect |
| 19:32.51 | themill | encourages the general reminiscing into #debian-offtopic |
| 19:32.52 | dudeman | the what island? |
| 19:32.53 | bahadunn | tarzeau: its cock burn man |
| 19:32.58 | bahadunn | tarzeau: cock burn island |
| 19:33.02 | tarzeau | dudeman: cock burn man island |
| 19:33.06 | bahadunn | tralala: or maybe cock burn town |
| 19:33.13 | dudeman | listen to the_wanderer |
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| 19:33.15 | dudeman | fuck |
| 19:33.16 | dudeman | the_wanderer, |
| 19:33.17 | stew | tarzeau: bahadunn: dudeman: please take this elsewhere |
| 19:33.19 | udoprog | cahoot: how would i make it systemwide? |
| 19:33.21 | dudeman | FUCK themill |
| 19:33.22 | bahadunn | tarzeau: or maybe cock burn town |
| 19:33.28 | stew | dudeman: what are you doing? |
| 19:33.36 | bahadunn | tarzeau: topic police man |
| 19:33.43 | dudeman | trying to not mispell the_wanderer 's name |
| 19:33.46 | dudeman | argh... themill |
| 19:33.50 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I am in #bslug if you want to chat |
| 19:33.58 | dudeman | stew, telling them to listen to themill and go elsewhere |
| 19:34.42 | cahoot | udoprog: simplest (I think) is to make a small edit as described here:http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#The_order_of_my_cards_changes_whenever_I_reboot_or_as_devices_are_plugged_and_unplugged._How_can_I_create_PCMs_that_refer_to_cards_by_name_instead_of_number.3F |
| 19:34.51 | Voland | abrotman: modprobing snd-pcm-oss doesn't seem to bring any effect |
| 19:34.55 | abrotman | what kind of awful URL is that? |
| 19:35.16 | dudeman | now THAT is highly SEO |
| 19:35.19 | bolt | is there a way to set the maximum allowed running time of a process when launching it? say I want to launch an lftp mirror session and have it killed if it spends more than 1 hour. |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | Voland: i thought flash9 used alsa directly instead of the pcm junk .. |
| 19:35.20 | dudeman | nice url. |
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| 19:35.34 | dudeman | very nice indeed. |
| 19:36.17 | cahoot | dudeman: SEO? |
| 19:36.21 | dudeman | search engine optimized |
| 19:36.39 | cahoot | ok I should have google |
| 19:36.41 | cahoot | d |
| 19:36.44 | dudeman | its ok :) |
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| 19:37.09 | udoprog | cahoot: ah, i've done that on other dists, i just got throwed off trace when seeing how intricate debians modprobe/autoloading feature was configured |
| 19:37.20 | udoprog | cahoot: thanks : ) |
| 19:37.26 | cahoot | udoprog: np |
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| 19:38.19 | wad | I've got a home file server running debian. It has a single 40 GB IDE HDD, and five SATA 500GB drives in a RAID-5 configuration using md. It sucks the power pretty good. Do you folks know of a way to put the RAID to sleep after so many minutes of inactivity? |
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| 19:38.39 | Voland | yeah so it does - or so I've read anyway.. it's just trying to access the wrong device I guess.. I mean I do get flash sound ftom the internal speakers when I run iceweasel as root |
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| 19:38.47 | wad | The OS runs on the 40GB drive, so it's just the 5 SATA drives I'd like to spin down, if possible. |
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| 19:39.05 | vn | hi, I just noticed I don't have inetd or xinetd in /etc/init.d with etch, is that normal? |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | Voland: i might ask #alsa .. |
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| 19:39.41 | vn | how do I restart inetd on etch? |
| 19:39.51 | dudeman | via /etc/init.d/? |
| 19:39.51 | abrotman | Voland: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=alsa+flash+wrong+device&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=alsa+flash+wrong+devic |
| 19:40.16 | vn | dudeman: xinetd and inetd aren't there |
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| 19:40.26 | dudeman | not hat was a surprised question :) |
| 19:40.42 | abrotman | vn: kill -1 <pidof inetd> |
| 19:40.59 | stew | vn: ls /etc/init.d/*inet* you might have openbsd-inetd |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | he should have that also |
| 19:41.17 | vn | I do |
| 19:41.27 | stew | abrotman: you mean $(pidof inetd) ? |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. that'd be even better .. i was just being lazy :) |
| 19:41.45 | vn | abrotman:inetd doesnt react, same PID |
| 19:41.59 | abrotman | vn: IIRC it should be .. |
| 19:42.21 | Voland | yeah.. thx, abrotman - I've googled it all up loong ago - doesn't help.. I think I'll go ask #alsa or something.. |
| 19:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, -1 == -HUP, I guess (that's what I would have done) |
| 19:42.42 | vn | duh I get that with the openbsd thing : Restarting internet superserver: inetdstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 29957: No such process |
| 19:42.42 | stew | vn: it should have the same pid, but it should have reloaded it config |
| 19:42.43 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 19:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Voland, eh, what was your guess? That sentence never finished :) |
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| 19:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Voland, the last thing you said was that you're pretty :-P |
| 19:45.29 | firebird619 | In /etc/fstab, I notice that the / partition doesn't have defaults, like /home, /boot, etc. do. It just has errors=remount-ro. Is it suppose to have defaults there? If I remember correctly, it used to be there. |
| 19:45.38 | Voland | 21:24 < Voland> hi guys - wonder if you can help with a problem that I've got (since no one else seems to be able to) - I run a 64-bit sid on a Dell XPS M1530 laptop and have an external Terratec Aureon 5.1 card to drive the 5.1 speakers.. I use a certain .asoundrc(I'll pastebin it later) which basically enables software mixing(the Aureon doesn't have a hardware |
| 19:45.43 | Voland | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.49 | Voland | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.00 | abrotman | Voland: wrong channel ? |
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| 19:48.37 | Voland | abrotman: CutMeOwnThroat asked for it, didnt he? |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 19:49.02 | abrotman | i thought you were trying to paste that into #alsa |
| 19:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, you can set a maximum CPU-time with ulimit in bash |
| 19:49.20 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a way to set real time, though? |
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| 19:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, don't think so, but check what is available with "help ulimit" in bash |
| 19:50.56 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: will do |
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| 19:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's really a means to make sure a process is not eating up too much resources |
| 19:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if it just sits there, doing nothing, ... |
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| 19:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Voland, not that I think there is a high chance for that to help - but try running the browser with "aoss browsername" anyways - perhaps flash tries to use oss and therefore fails? |
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| 19:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (at least it's no big effort to test) |
| 19:53.47 | zamaliphe | CutMeOwnThroat: you still here from last night :D |
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| 19:54.28 | Voland | nope, doesn't work.. :( |
| 19:54.58 | zamaliphe | Voland: what is your ver of alsa ? |
| 19:55.00 | mange | on a debian machine, using a generic kernel, how can I download the corresponding source code (with .config) used to compile it? or even better, where can I find an uncompressed kernel? /boot only seems to contain compressed kernels |
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| 19:55.30 | Voland | 1.0.17.1 or somethin |
| 19:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | zamaliphe, you confuse me :) you talked to me on #bash, now you tell me here I was "still here" :) - and no, I went to bed in between |
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| 19:56.04 | cahoot | Voland: tried making the Aureon default with asoundconf? |
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| 19:56.38 | |Novanet| | hi all... could u help me... please name more systems such as nagios, zabbix..... |
| 19:56.56 | Voland | yep - it is default - it's also recognized as default by everything in my system except for flash.. |
| 19:56.56 | |Novanet| | where server is and for linux, end for windows |
| 19:57.03 | |Novanet| | and* |
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| 19:57.31 | zamaliphe | Voland: tray AlsaMixer and look at the top and tell what is your ver |
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| 19:58.22 | Voland | ok - so alsamixer is 1.0.16 :S weird - I thought debian had updated the alsa-utils |
| 19:58.24 | zamaliphe | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm just like you use debian as my main distro |
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| 19:58.51 | Computer | An error occurred while trying to install base system. Kernel failed to install. |
| 19:58.56 | zamaliphe | Voland: what is your distro ? |
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| 19:59.05 | Voland | Debian sid 64-bit |
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| 19:59.08 | Computer | Debian Stable net install |
| 19:59.25 | Computer | Whye |
| 19:59.58 | dudeman | perhaps it wasn't downloded successfully |
| 20:00.05 | dudeman | Computer, can you try to run that step again? |
| 20:00.10 | cahoot | Voland: if you open a youtube video and run fuser -v /dev/snd/* - firefox uses pcmC0D0p or what? |
| 20:00.18 | dudeman | Computer, also check in alt+f4 (tty4) for any logs |
| 20:00.38 | themill | !check iso image |
| 20:00.38 | dpkg | Test that an iso image was burned correctly by comparing the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
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| 20:00.52 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to have the linux name resolution system (gethostbyname et al) use a different DNS server for different domains? |
| 20:01.01 | zamaliphe | Voland: you need to recompile alsa trust me that will fix it all for you |
| 20:01.07 | dudeman | themill, I don't know why I always think netboot when someone says netinstall grr... |
| 20:01.12 | SerajewelKS | i'm sick of vpnc causing things to not resolve because i can't access my LAN's DNS server |
| 20:01.21 | Computer | dudeman, I checked and it told me the error was with installing the Kernel. Try runnin apt-get again with --fix-missing |
| 20:01.34 | |Novanet| | can anybody say, is where nagios server for windows? |
| 20:01.41 | dudeman | |Novanet|, ##windows |
| 20:01.48 | abrotman | |Novanet|: ask #nagios |
| 20:01.51 | dudeman | |Novanet|, why are you asking here? |
| 20:01.55 | |Novanet| | oh ok! |
| 20:01.56 | Computer | Now that I think about it I think this is for i386. Which architecture should I use if I have an Intel Dual-Core |
| 20:01.57 | mmhd | Anyone can help me to add a cron job? |
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| 20:02.05 | |Novanet| | dont know about #nagios |
| 20:02.06 | Computer | Pentium Dual-Core |
| 20:02.07 | dudeman | Computer, i386 is fine |
| 20:02.11 | Computer | Hmm |
| 20:02.27 | dudeman | you maybe able to get amd64 if your cpu supports EM64T/Intel64 |
| 20:02.30 | abrotman | mmhd: man 5 crontab |
| 20:03.11 | Voland | well.. voland@XPSM1530:~$ fuser -v /dev/snd/* USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 20:03.11 | Voland | /dev/snd/controlC1: voland 4196 F.... xfce-mcs-manage |
| 20:03.12 | dudeman | Usually the Pentium D chips do support it I believe, (isnn't that was a pentium dual core is, pentium D) |
| 20:03.14 | stew | mmhd: be more specific. what have you tried so far? |
| 20:03.52 | mmhd | stew: nothing yet, I am trying to add something.sh to run every 30 minutes |
| 20:04.11 | cahoot | Voland: the same as root? |
| 20:04.14 | stew | 14:04 < stew> mmhd: "man 5 crontab" for the format of a crontab job. "man 1 crontab" for information about how to add a cronjob |
| 20:04.16 | Computer | I don't know dudeman |
| 20:04.26 | dudeman | Computer, then stick with i386 |
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| 20:05.30 | TonyRad | heya... I don't suppose anybody here has used MRTG before? |
| 20:05.39 | Voland | XPSM1530:/home/voland# fuser -v /dev/snd/* USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 20:05.39 | Voland | /dev/snd/controlC0: root 832 F.... npviewer.bin |
| 20:05.39 | Voland | /dev/snd/controlC1: voland 4196 F.... xfce-mcs-manage |
| 20:05.39 | Voland | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: root 832 F...m npviewer.bin |
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| 20:06.05 | Voland | XPSM1530:/home/voland# fuser -v /dev/snd/* USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 20:06.06 | Voland | /dev/snd/controlC0: root 832 F.... npviewer.bin |
| 20:06.11 | dudeman | oh its amd64 huh |
| 20:06.12 | Voland | /dev/snd/controlC1: voland 4196 F.... xfce-mcs-manage |
| 20:06.12 | Voland | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: root 832 F...m npviewer.bin |
| 20:06.13 | Voland | /dev/snd/timer: root 832 f.... npviewer.bin |
| 20:06.26 | dudeman | Voland, use a paster |
| 20:06.31 | dudeman | !tell Voland -about paster |
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| 20:06.59 | Voland | k, I'll be sure to do so next time :P |
| 20:07.07 | larsie | omg. ur +b for 10 years now |
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| 20:07.15 | dudeman | lol |
| 20:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, pasting this was quite useless - check with ps aux | egrep '832|4196' what processes that are |
| 20:07.22 | larsie | :O |
| 20:07.48 | themill | !list alsa users |
| 20:07.48 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq` |
| 20:07.58 | cahoot | Voland: according to google npviewer is adobe flash |
| 20:08.00 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: found something. for future reference, here's a really neat script to put a real time time limit on a process :) http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/timeout |
| 20:08.13 | edugonch | Hello, please, I need help with cups, I can't use the web interface to change things, it ask me for a password, I try to change the password whit lppasswd but it does not work |
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| 20:08.20 | Voland | yeah it's the nspluginwrapper.. |
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| 20:08.45 | cahoot | Voland: seems your flash actually uses alsa but fails to make anything useful |
| 20:08.59 | stew | boy, that is a beutiful command |
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| 20:10.10 | dudeman | stew, ? |
| 20:10.20 | firebird619 | Could someone help me with a Graphics Tablet? The buttons are not correct and when I use xinput to set them, I get "unable to find device WizardPen Tablet" but when I run ls -la /dev/tablet-event, it shows the tablet. What can I do to get the buttons set correctly? |
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| 20:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, yeah - that essentially does set -m; yourprogram "$@"& sleep $time; kill %1 |
| 20:12.10 | dante_2core | woa that command |
| 20:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I was too lazy to come up with that :) |
| 20:12.20 | dante_2core | *saves this one in a script file* |
| 20:12.31 | dante_2core | the dpkg one I meant |
| 20:12.35 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: me too :) |
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| 20:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | actuall... that woah command... there must surely be something shorteR? |
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| 20:14.13 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i just decided to look in /etc/init.d/alsa to see what they use, only to discover that this was the source of the command |
| 20:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hehe... very well |
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| 20:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I see why this gets so long, now - lsof +D -F rt is rather ugly multi-line |
| 20:16.39 | themill | You can make it shorter but then the dpkg bot eats it and doesn't spit it out right. (\ and " problems) so it's the one from etch's init.d/alsa reload but with some modifications to make it bot compatible. |
| 20:17.26 | stew | what is wrong with 'fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer' |
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| 20:19.13 | themill | alsa would then have to depend on psmisc... |
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| 20:19.50 | themill | istr lenny's alsa init script had removed that function anyway :( |
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| 20:20.32 | stew | themill: i mean for the bot, not for the init script (which doesn't exist at all in lenny) |
| 20:21.29 | themill | stew: I thought I tried various things like that before shoving that into the bot and they didn't provide sensible results. |
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| 20:21.50 | themill | fuser would certainly be more sensible than that one |
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| 20:26.46 | LemensTS | if i change my server source in sources.list, does it remove the package info for that server when i do apt-get update ? |
| 20:27.03 | stew | LemensTS: yes |
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| 20:28.25 | LemensTS | ok thats what i figured. thanks |
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| 20:28.53 | mmhd | stew: How to save when I exit? |
| 20:28.53 | mmhd | lol |
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| 20:29.11 | mmhd | crontab -e |
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| 20:30.29 | stew | mmhd: uhh, that depends on which editor you are using. by default i think it is nano these days which would tell you control-x to exit in the bottom left, and it would give you a chance to save when you exit |
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| 20:32.14 | mmhd | It's ^KX |
| 20:32.15 | mmhd | :) |
| 20:32.43 | mmhd | Now I need to restart anything? |
| 20:32.56 | stew | no |
| 20:32.58 | mmhd | stew: Now do I need to restart anything? |
| 20:33.03 | abrotman | he said no |
| 20:33.04 | mmhd | Just save an exit? |
| 20:33.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:33.17 | mmhd | k thanks |
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| 20:37.02 | smultron | do some usb flash drives have difficulty being booted off of? i'm pretty sure i did everything right to install DSL on a 1GB flash drive.... even followed these instructions the second time http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 20:38.11 | eOliva | does anybody has installed vmware player and the any any patch in Debian Lenny? |
| 20:39.12 | themill | dpkg: tell eOliva about multiple ask |
| 20:39.37 | themill | eOliva: assume yes and ask your real question |
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| 20:46.20 | keith4 | eOliva: use the itpsycho patch, if you're running 2.6.26. otherwise, you shouldn't need the any-any patch |
| 20:46.34 | keith4 | but really, you should go to #vmware |
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| 20:46.54 | themill | eOliva: see also the vmware-package package in the debian archive |
| 20:47.33 | eOliva | themill, I installed the vmplayer, and the vmware-workstation from a rpm converted to .deb... |
| 20:47.41 | eOliva | I tried to follow a lot of tutorials |
| 20:49.33 | keith4 | why would you do that? |
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| 20:50.35 | Chowder | question: what is the point of installing /home /usr / /tmp and /var to separate partitions? |
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| 20:51.04 | NERvOso | Hi, I got a problem with apt: I'd like to have apt download packages for lenny (main contrib non-free) from multiple mirrors at the same time. I already added multiple mirrors for lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and set Queue-Mode to 'host' and Pipeline-Depth to 4. However that didn't help. Any clues? |
| 20:51.35 | eOliva | keith4, why install the vmplayer and the workstation, you asked??? |
| 20:51.50 | keith4 | no, why would you use an RPM converted to a deb package |
| 20:51.55 | keith4 | (and expect it to work) |
| 20:52.21 | NERvOso | Chowder: about /tmp, for example if it's 100% full it won't affect the operation of the system |
| 20:52.22 | keith4 | eOliva: what does 'uname -a' report? |
| 20:52.46 | keith4 | Chowder: you might want to do that to prevent logs from filling your entire disk |
| 20:52.51 | keith4 | things go crazy when / gets full |
| 20:52.51 | NERvOso | Chowder: about /home, if you have to reinstall the system you don't have to restore your users' home dirs |
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| 20:53.08 | eOliva | keith4, cuz I tried to download from vmware's site and there's only the rpm and a .bundle there.... |
| 20:53.10 | keith4 | also prevents users from filling your entire disk, if you don't have quotas |
| 20:53.13 | eOliva | keith4, 2.6.22-3-686-bigmem |
| 20:53.29 | keith4 | eOliva: a) go download the tgz, b) you don't need the any-any patch |
| 20:53.45 | stew | Chowder: you might want different mount options for different partitions for security reasons. for instance you might want to mount /usr nodev,ro and you might want to mount /home nosuid,nodev |
| 20:53.59 | keith4 | eOliva: or use the vmware-package, as themill suggested |
| 20:54.11 | eOliva | keith4, the site only give me the option to download the tgz of the vmplayer, not the workstation |
| 20:54.24 | keith4 | is workstation free these days? |
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| 20:54.34 | Chowder | o ok |
| 20:54.58 | Chowder | because they do a similar setup for OpenBSD by default |
| 20:55.10 | Chowder | but i still don't understand how it contributes to security |
| 20:55.13 | themill | eOliva: you might also consider updating to a newer kernel |
| 20:55.18 | stew | Chowder: separate partitions might also simplify a backup scheme. (backup the entire /home partition, ignore then entire /usr partition) |
| 20:55.37 | keith4 | eOliva: workstation isn't free. you need to login to download it |
| 20:55.50 | eOliva | keith4, yes, I have it, a trial license |
| 20:56.14 | Chowder | stew: I see, i guess that security wise, if your box was rooted only one partition would be affected |
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| 20:56.18 | keith4 | eOliva: vmware-server is free |
| 20:56.19 | stew | Chowder: do you know what nosuid, nodev does? it should be clear how not allowing someone to change /usr (by making it readonly) might contribute to security (since it could prevent someone from installing a rootkit) |
| 20:56.36 | Chowder | stew: not really |
| 20:56.46 | stew | Chowder: not really what? |
| 20:56.56 | keith4 | not really know what nosuid and nodev are for |
| 20:56.57 | Chowder | I don't know what nosuid and nodev does |
| 20:57.00 | themill | stew: only if they're not clever enough to remount rw :) |
| 20:57.15 | stew | themill: right, and many people installing rootkits are not clever |
| 20:57.20 | themill | indeed! |
| 20:58.37 | stew | Chowder: suid is a bit you can add to the permissions that allow users of a program to assume new credential when they run the program. for instance, when you run "ping" the ping process actually runs as root instead of the user that ran ping (becuase root privileges are required send the ping packets). this can cause huge security problems. nosuid doesn't allow this to happen |
| 20:59.05 | Chowder | stew, I see |
| 20:59.24 | Chowder | so for important directories, nosuid would be important |
| 20:59.54 | Ian_Daniher | I need to format a flash drive to FAT32 in debian etch |
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| 21:00.55 | stew | Chowder: nosuid would make it so that if somehow there was some vulnerability that allowed a user to create a suid file in /home, that file wouldn't be treated as suid. there are a bunch of suid files in /usr/bin and /bin already, and you probably need those to work so you can't mount /usr or / with nosuid |
| 21:01.30 | Chowder | and what is nodev for? |
| 21:01.45 | keith4 | Ian_Daniher: you need "dosfstools" |
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| 21:02.09 | Ian_Daniher | keith4: thanks |
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| 21:05.25 | stew | Chowder: the same thing but for character/block device files (like those found in the /dev directory) |
| 21:05.55 | Chowder | i see |
| 21:06.02 | Chowder | learn something new everyday |
| 21:06.09 | Chowder | :) |
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| 21:12.15 | zamba | i need a tool for monitoring a set of hosts.. something simple just for checking for connectivity |
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| 21:12.33 | zamba | something that informs me if any hosts are down |
| 21:12.49 | cusco | ping ? |
| 21:12.54 | zamba | well.. |
| 21:12.55 | adama | zamba: hobbit |
| 21:12.59 | zamba | adama: ok |
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| 21:13.11 | adama | might be more than you are looking for |
| 21:13.23 | zamba | adama: but not a deb package? |
| 21:13.34 | cusco | whats wrong with ping? |
| 21:13.54 | zamba | cusco: eh.. it'd be nice with history and some alert mechanism |
| 21:14.03 | adama | zamba: write a script that uses ping |
| 21:14.07 | zamba | cusco: if i want to wrap something around ping, i have to write everything myself |
| 21:14.12 | adama | you can apt-get install hobbit |
| 21:14.45 | cusco | it would be a simple script |
| 21:14.47 | cusco | but ok |
| 21:14.55 | zamba | adama: find no package for it? |
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| 21:15.27 | adama | http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:15.34 | adama | it's in my repos |
| 21:15.47 | zamba | how does your sources.list look? |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | zamba: look at something that does snmp |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | like .. i think cacti |
| 21:16.15 | zamba | abrotman: and then set up snmp clients on every host i want to monitor? |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | is that not good? |
| 21:16.34 | zamba | well, kind of tricky for win32 boxes, isn't it? |
| 21:16.50 | abrotman | no |
| 21:16.51 | zamba | but can't cacti rely on icmp ping as well? i seem to recall something like that? |
| 21:16.52 | adama | zamba: unstable, has deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib in addition to regular stuff |
| 21:17.08 | dustybin | if a pxe netbooted box goes into suspend to ram mode, am i right in thinking that there could be issues bringing the box back to life, because of the NFS PXE netboot? |
| 21:17.27 | abrotman | thought win2k and up had snmp builtin |
| 21:17.35 | zamba | abrotman: hm ,ok |
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| 21:17.44 | abrotman | !snmp |
| 21:17.44 | dpkg | from memory, snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 21:17.49 | abrotman | dpkg: that was totally useless |
| 21:17.50 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
| 21:18.05 | abrotman | !cacti |
| 21:18.05 | dpkg | hmm... cacti is a full network graphing solution designed to harness the power of RRDTool's data storage and graphing functionality. It provides a fast poller, advanced graph templating, multiple data acquisition methods, and user management features out of the box. All of this is wrapped in an intuitive, easy to use interface that makes sense for LAN-sized installations up to complex networks with hundreds of devices. cacti.net |
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| 21:18.36 | zamba | ok, so that's more like a graphing tool |
| 21:18.55 | zamba | and hobbit looks a bit.. how should i put it.. semi-pro :) |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | well .. you didn't really say what you wanted to do .. other than monitor uptime |
| 21:19.30 | abrotman | nagios? spong? |
| 21:19.35 | dudeman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:19.37 | zamba | well, most of all it's a tool for alerting me if stuff goes down.. i know of the norwegian tool called NAV developed by uninett.. |
| 21:19.38 | dudeman | doh |
| 21:19.41 | cusco | hey.. |
| 21:20.23 | zamba | abrotman: checking it out |
| 21:20.24 | dudeman | cusco, hey |
| 21:20.24 | cusco | Im looking for software that can send sms trough my mobile phone |
| 21:20.24 | zamba | cusco: gnokii |
| 21:20.24 | cusco | I was trying gnokii but for some reason it does not connect |
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| 21:20.31 | zamba | cusco: how are you connecting your phone and what phone? |
| 21:20.33 | cusco | Im using a cable instead of a bluethooth device |
| 21:20.46 | dudeman | dude.. I had no idea you could do that! |
| 21:20.57 | dudeman | I fucking hate txt messing cuz of the tiny keyboards |
| 21:20.59 | zamba | cusco: what phone? |
| 21:21.10 | cusco | zamba: se k8009 |
| 21:21.12 | zamba | cusco: i'm using a 6320i nokia with no problems |
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| 21:21.20 | dudeman | but if I could connect my phone.. whoah.. I'm glad cusco came by today |
| 21:21.23 | zamba | cusco: is that supported according to gnokii's homepage? |
| 21:21.44 | zamba | dudeman: it's sweet.. i just insert text into a table in a database and it's automatically sent |
| 21:21.57 | dudeman | nice... I can write a thingy to do that |
| 21:22.04 | cusco | zamba: didn't check but google shows signs of success via bluethooth |
| 21:22.13 | zamba | dudeman: and the same the other way.. when i receive an sms at the same number, it's put into a similar table.. so you can actually act accordingly |
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| 21:23.30 | zamba | cusco: also check out gammu |
| 21:23.43 | pbi | hi! anyone know how to install a cross compilation toolchain ? I used to use toolchain-source package but it does not exist anymore. |
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| 21:24.16 | zamba | cusco: http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Config |
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| 21:26.33 | whilelm | hello, i have problem with my aliases. i have the postfix warning warning: database /etc/postfix/aliases.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/aliases |
| 21:26.47 | zamba | whilelm: 'newaliases' |
| 21:26.48 | whilelm | but the command newaliases don't change anything |
| 21:26.57 | whilelm | i dunno why |
| 21:26.58 | cusco | zamba: just been there |
| 21:27.07 | cusco | looks like my cable is not supported |
| 21:27.16 | whilelm | i still have the same warning |
| 21:27.16 | zamba | whilelm: problems with date/time? |
| 21:27.44 | zamba | whilelm: try a 'touch /etc/aliases'? |
| 21:27.57 | zamba | whilelm: and then do 'newaliases'? |
| 21:28.13 | zamba | whohey! |
| 21:28.17 | whilelm | i checked times and could confirm that my aliases.db wasn't change since 26th Septembre, when aliases wasz changed |
| 21:28.19 | zamba | newaliases run against /etc/aliases |
| 21:28.28 | zamba | not /etc/postfix/aliases |
| 21:28.49 | cusco | zamba: thanks anyway |
| 21:28.58 | zamba | cusco: hehe, no problem |
| 21:29.16 | zamba | cusco: anyway.. get a used nokia phone off ebay or something.. you won't regret it |
| 21:29.19 | zamba | it's sweet |
| 21:29.40 | whilelm | oh, i see that i have two different files, i have a look, thanks ! |
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| 21:30.59 | NERvOso | Hi, I got a problem with apt: I'd like to have apt download packages for lenny (main contrib non-free) from multiple mirrors at the same time. I already added multiple mirrors for lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and set Queue-Mode to 'host' and Pipeline-Depth to 4. However that didn't help. Any clues? |
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| 21:32.54 | smultron | i'm trying to get a dell latitude to boot from a USB flash drive with Knoppix.... but it just sits on a blank screen with a cursor blinking in the top left. it doesn't have an optical drive (hence the USB flash drive)... any ideas? |
| 21:32.55 | stew | NERvOso: i don't believe that what you are trying to do is possible currently |
| 21:33.15 | stew | NERvOso: in general it should matter though, you should be able to find a lenny mirror that can saturate your download bandwidth |
| 21:33.26 | dudeman | +not |
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| 21:35.07 | NERvOso | stew: I have 7Mbps and get only 1Mbit out of each mirror :| |
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| 21:35.24 | NERvOso | anyway what I'm trying to achieve was possible with etch, somehow it's not working in lenny |
| 21:35.28 | chuck | Can someone point me to the link to the network install ISO? the FTP site has changed since i last visited it and i can't find it |
| 21:35.37 | dudeman | !d-i chuck |
| 21:35.37 | dpkg | chuck, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:37.41 | dudeman | I vaguely remember multiple mirrors in older debian too... then again I could've just as easily been stoned back then. |
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| 21:41.00 | NERvOso | :) |
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| 21:42.45 | stew | it will download from contrib and main in parallel, but not from two different main mirrors for the same suite |
| 21:43.16 | p_masho | I'm a confused newbie. I'm got a server with Pure-FTPd installed, but there's not pureftp in /etc/init.d to start stop etc? am i missing the obvious ? |
| 21:43.30 | NERvOso | really? hmm let me try with etch |
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| 21:44.47 | NERvOso | 12% [11 perl-modules 3123813/3191kB 97%] [18 icedove 3463331/12.4MB 28%] 502kB/s 3min55s |
| 21:45.11 | NERvOso | they are both in main |
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| 21:45.24 | prolix | p_masho: is there an /etc/pureftp.d ? |
| 21:45.34 | prolix | er. /etc/pureftpd |
| 21:45.58 | p_masho | only "pure-ftpd-mysql" |
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| 21:47.58 | stew | NERvOso: i'll bet its becuase one is coming from security and the other isn't |
| 21:48.05 | stew | NERvOso: so maybe its not based on suite but label |
| 21:48.43 | prolix | p_masho: what about a /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd ? |
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| 21:48.51 | stew | judd: versions perl-modules |
| 21:48.51 | judd | stew: perl-modules: 5.8.8-7etch3 (etch) 5.8.8-7etch3 (etch-security) 5.10.0-10+lenny1 (lenny-security) 5.10.0-14 (lenny) 5.10.0-15 (sid) |
| 21:48.57 | stew | judd: versions icedove |
| 21:48.58 | judd | stew: icedove: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.14b.dfsg1-0lenny1 (lenny-security) 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080417a-0etch1 (etch) 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614d-0etch1 (etch-security) 2.0.0.16-1 (lenny) 2.0.0.16-1 (sid) |
| 21:49.01 | p_masho | prolix: no .. thats why I;m confused |
| 21:49.39 | stew | NERvOso: i'll bet that as soon as everything is exhaused from etch-security you will only be pulling from one source |
| 21:49.57 | prolix | p_masho: i'm at the limit of my assistive capabilities with that one |
| 21:50.01 | stew | icedove has such pretty version numbers |
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| 21:50.24 | Multiply | A good nameserver for Debian, which supports mysql? |
| 21:51.23 | p_masho | prolix: ok.. seems I can start stop ftp server with pure-ftpd-mysql.. but still does not solve original proble.. The directiories aint listing properly, half are missing ! |
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| 21:52.31 | stew | Multiply: aptitude search 'dns~Dlibmysqlclient15off' |
| 21:52.38 | prolix | p_masho: right on. sounds like progress to me. good luck |
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| 21:53.18 | Multiply | Thanks, stew |
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| 21:56.47 | kayra | selam arkadaslar |
| 21:56.49 | kayra | :D |
| 21:57.01 | kayra | burayı yeni keşfediorum ben |
| 21:57.34 | kayra | uluslar arası capta chat |
| 21:57.45 | stew | !tr |
| 21:57.45 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 21:57.48 | stew | (i think) |
| 21:57.57 | unop | looks turkish to me |
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| 21:58.28 | kayra | yes i look for |
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| 21:58.56 | kayra | we can't write Turkish in here,right? |
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| 21:59.34 | beardy | That's right, since it's an international channel, English is the language used here. |
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| 21:59.54 | kayra | i see |
| 22:01.01 | sladi | would be nice if the client could report preferred languages and text in others would get ignored ^^ |
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| 22:01.19 | beardy | No. |
| 22:01.29 | beardy | Then you can't point them in the right direction. |
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| 22:02.33 | sladi | beardy: I mean IRC client. You choose which languages you undersdand and others get filtered |
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| 22:03.57 | SerajewelKS | how could i determine where lag on a v4l stream is coming from? |
| 22:04.07 | beardy | sladi: Yes. And my reply is above. |
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| 22:10.06 | n-iCe | hello, anyone can help with the bright applet? I can't change the bright of my monitor I use aa gateway lap |
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| 22:14.16 | chris4585 | n-iCe, I'm not sure if it helps but most laptops use the keybind fr+(up/down) for adjusting brightness |
| 22:14.24 | chris4585 | er fn* |
| 22:14.52 | n-iCe | chris4585: yeah, that it shows the applet, but just doesn't change it |
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| 22:15.34 | chris4585 | that's odd, dunno |
| 22:15.43 | n-iCe | It changes before load the kernel, once in Debian, doesn't change. |
| 22:16.32 | n-iCe | chris4585: http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotje1.png it shows the applet |
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| 22:18.36 | chris4585 | odd situation, can't help past my suggestion though sorry |
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| 22:24.40 | chomwitt | trying to run freewlr after installation of it's deb file i get a libmozjs.so.ld error. but searching for that file in the repositories i get no result. where is that file? |
| 22:25.53 | abrotman | where did you get freewlr? |
| 22:26.04 | eldowan | I'm running a lenny system on an AMD X2 3800+. I'm trying to find the CPU temperature, and I found this path: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature . However the temperature never changes, and I'm doing an intensive video encoding operation using both cores almost to 100%. Where else would I look, or what tools would be good to use? |
| 22:26.58 | chomwitt | abrotman: i added a repositiry mentioned in http://kheb.homelinux.org/debian |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | eldowan: /sys/class/thermal/ |
| 22:27.16 | abrotman | chomwitt: paste the error |
| 22:27.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:27.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:27.30 | eldowan | abrotman: The closest I have is /sys/class/tty/ |
| 22:27.46 | abrotman | modprobe thermal ? |
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| 22:28.52 | amphi | /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ wouldn't exist if thermal wasn't loaded, as far as I know |
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| 22:29.16 | abrotman | i thought it was all switching to /sys/ ? |
| 22:29.51 | amphi | yeah, /proc/acpi/ is deprecated, I think |
| 22:29.54 | eldowan | The only listing in /etc/modules was loop and nvidia. thermal is now loaded through modprobe, but no class/thermal. |
| 22:30.12 | chomwitt | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/18422 |
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| 22:30.47 | eldowan | hmm. I've also got the k8temp module loaded too |
| 22:31.14 | abrotman | Chowder: which version of debian ? |
| 22:31.25 | abrotman | chomwitt: ^^^ |
| 22:31.31 | abrotman | Chowder: sorry .. misfire |
| 22:31.36 | chomwitt | abrotman: etch |
| 22:31.45 | abrotman | chomwitt: i have that file on lenny ... |
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| 22:31.58 | abrotman | dpkg: find libmozjs.so etch |
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| 22:32.05 | abrotman | or i think i do |
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| 22:32.46 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok. maybe i should try it in lenny. |
| 22:33.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libmozjs.so' (6 of 10): (/usr/lib/libmozjs.so.0d) in libs/libmozjs0d ;; (/usr/lib/icedove/libmozjs.so) in mail/icedove ;; (/usr/lib/libmozjs.so) in libdevel/libmozjs-dev ;; (/usr/lib/iceweasel/libmozjs.so) in web/iceweasel ;; (/usr/lib/xulrunner/libmozjs.so) in libs/libxul0d ;; (/usr/lib/iceape/libmozjs.so) in web/iceape-browser. |
| 22:33.43 | abrotman | yeah .. etch's is too old |
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| 22:37.06 | lupine_85 | eh? Has something odd happened to lenny? |
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| 22:37.20 | asdzxc | hi |
| 22:37.28 | Chowder | np |
| 22:37.30 | asdzxc | there is a page where you can send output of lspci -n |
| 22:37.34 | Chowder | I'm on Ubuntu, though |
| 22:37.39 | asdzxc | and it will print you which drivers you need |
| 22:37.40 | Chowder | but it's Debian based |
| 22:37.46 | Chowder | so I know what you guys are talking about |
| 22:37.49 | asdzxc | does anyone knows the URL ? |
| 22:37.55 | lupine_85 | ktorrent ( 3.1.1+dfsg.1-1, lenny/main) appears to have become KDE 4.1 |
| 22:38.27 | wols | Chowder: we cannot help you. ask #ubuntu about your problems |
| 22:38.33 | wols | !tell Chowder about debian based |
| 22:38.54 | Chowder | i never said to |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | wols: he didn't ask for help |
| 22:39.15 | wols | Chowder: I can see questions in the logs |
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| 22:39.29 | Chowder | well that isn't really Ubuntu specific |
| 22:39.35 | lupine_85 | curse those logs and their impartiality |
| 22:39.44 | wols | Chowder: then ask ##linux |
| 22:39.56 | Chowder | some1 that is running suse, RH, or any other distro would be able to answer it |
| 22:40.13 | Chowder | my questions are independent of any distro |
| 22:40.24 | wols | then ##linux is the exact right place, yes |
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| 22:40.28 | Chowder | and no, wols, I think I'll continue to ask my questions here |
| 22:40.48 | Chowder | if that bothers you then don't respond to my questions |
| 22:40.49 | prolix | Chowder: thank you for acknowledging that debian has the best support of any distro, including the one you've chosen. i agree wholeheartedly |
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| 22:41.19 | lupine_85 | notes that his query remains unanswered :p |
| 22:41.26 | Chowder | yea, it's just the fact is that MOST ubuntu questions can be answered by someone who uses debian |
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| 22:41.34 | Chowder | no need to be a conversation nazi |
| 22:41.41 | dmoerner | lupine_85: yes, ktorrent in lenny is kde4 because the old one had serious deficiencies and was going to become unmaintained upstream |
| 22:41.53 | Chowder | (not pointing any fingers **cough wols **cough) |
| 22:41.57 | prolix | Chowder: that's not true, time is precious and if you like the support, consider switching instead of trickery |
| 22:42.04 | lupine_85 | until, you know, a relatively/seemingly minor change betwixt debian and ubuntu kills something |
| 22:42.13 | Chowder | i didn't intend for it to be trickery |
| 22:42.14 | lupine_85 | dmoerner: ah, I see. Very odd |
| 22:42.15 | wols | Chowder: you will find that people only support debian here |
| 22:42.29 | wols | and if you want support, you have to run debian |
| 22:42.31 | simNIX | Chowder, theres #Ubuntu for Ubuntu talk and ##linux for all dirtu talk - this debian room about debain - pls respect that |
| 22:42.45 | simNIX | *dirtu=distru |
| 22:42.53 | Chowder | this is what I get for being honest |
| 22:43.02 | dmoerner | Chowder: am i missing something or did you never ask your question? |
| 22:43.04 | simNIX | no one mad |
| 22:43.08 | simNIX | just pointers |
| 22:43.15 | lupine_85 | ORLY? :p |
| 22:43.18 | wols | dmoerner: he asked long ago |
| 22:43.19 | simNIX | that if folowed help get good responce ;) |
| 22:43.25 | dmoerner | wols: oh |
| 22:43.34 | Chowder | but I don't understand because my questions are independent of any distro |
| 22:43.37 | asdzxc | got it, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:43.41 | asdzxc | bye |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | could we drop it already? |
| 22:43.43 | Chowder | I have a printer problem |
| 22:43.54 | lupine_85 | so, is getting the remainder of KDE4.1 running generally easy on lenny now? Does it co-exist with KDE3? |
| 22:43.57 | Chowder | yes, we can, because I'm going to gtfo |
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| 22:44.19 | abrotman | lupine_85: what makes you think kde4.1 is in lenny ? |
| 22:44.32 | lupine_85 | just that ktorrent is kde4 |
| 22:44.38 | abrotman | how is that? |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | lupine_85: or ask #debian-kde to clarify |
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| 22:47.01 | lupine_85 | abrotman: http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/screenshots/dual-screen-love2.png mostly :p |
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| 22:47.30 | lupine_85 | but will hit debian-kde |
| 22:47.30 | abrotman | lupine_85: ask #debian-kde to clarify |
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| 22:48.58 | themill | !kde versions |
| 22:48.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde version is look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKDE for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs for an approximate version. |
| 22:49.10 | lupine_85 | ooh, factoids |
| 22:49.12 | lupine_85 | thank |
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| 22:49.14 | lupine_85 | ..s |
| 22:49.17 | pal | how to start cdemu-daemon? I have installed it but it not launch |
| 22:50.18 | lupine_85 | in a chroot? :S |
| 22:50.34 | nicky^bee | sorry for the noob question but what is the right debian way to get ruby 1.8.6 on debian testing ? |
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| 22:51.22 | lupine_85 | nicky^bee: the default is 1.8.7.... is that no good? |
| 22:51.25 | themill | judd: versions ruby1.8 |
| 22:51.28 | judd | themill: ruby1.8: 1.8.5-4etch2 (etch) 1.8.5-4etch2 (etch-security) 1.8.7.72-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.8.7.72-1 (lenny) 1.8.7.72-1 (sid) |
| 22:51.48 | dmoerner | is that a new bot? |
| 22:51.50 | nicky^bee | 1.8.7 is the last version but there is a problem with most rails sofware |
| 22:52.19 | nicky^bee | 1.8.5 is fine too |
| 22:52.23 | enouf | it's a very cool and needed bot indeed |
| 22:52.24 | lupine_85 | well, you could do the Rails thing(tm) and stick ruby in vendor/ |
| 22:52.33 | lupine_85 | (I think you can do thaT?) |
| 22:52.59 | lupine_85 | or just downgrade to the 1.8.5, since it's ready-packaged |
| 22:53.06 | lupine_85 | what's the problem, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 22:53.22 | lupine_85 | we use a lot of rails at work and are sort of considering doing lenny upgrades soonisb |
| 22:53.25 | lupine_85 | soonish* |
| 22:53.58 | enouf | pal: what are you using it for? i've heard of people having issues trying to use it - i haven't messed with it though |
| 22:54.07 | enouf | pal: it's not in debian, correct? |
| 22:54.17 | nicky^bee | lupine_85: it is that kind of problem |
| 22:54.19 | nicky^bee | http://www.redmine.org/issues/show/1457 |
| 22:54.21 | Intensity | Hi. I have a USB drive from a previously working system (the secondary one) attached to another Debian host (primary). One of the partitions on the secondary was an encrypted LVM2 that's now showing properly under /dev/mapper/. I'd just like to be able to access the underlying LVM2 components from the secondary system. But I get a "WARNING: Duplicate VG name" message when I issue commands like vgscan. |
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| 22:55.28 | lupine_85 | nicky^bee: odd |
| 22:56.23 | nicky^bee | lupine_85: http://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/tickets/867-undefined-method-length-for-enumerable here they have the same problem |
| 22:57.40 | rdz | a bit OT: has each core it's one clock on processors with more than one core? |
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| 22:59.11 | enouf | rdz: do you mean s/one/own? |
| 22:59.37 | rdz | enouf, oops.. yeah, that is what i mean |
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| 23:00.39 | jsaak | rdz: i am just guessing, but it would be strange, at least |
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| 23:00.54 | enouf | rdz: hrm .. good question, my first instinctual guess is no, however - CPUs can be hotplugged, and tasks set to run tasks on a cpu core basis |
| 23:01.12 | nicky^bee | lupine_85: then ... when I try to do apt-get install ruby1.8=1.8.5-4etch2 it doesn't work |
| 23:01.34 | abrotman | rdz: ask ##hardware |
| 23:01.49 | lupine_85 | nicky^bee: do you have the etch repository in your sources.list ? |
| 23:01.51 | peppe | rdz: IIRC yes, it was a feature of AMD Barcelona design |
| 23:01.58 | enouf | rdz: it's all about the kernel - i say ask ##kernel ;-) |
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| 23:03.15 | enouf | rdz: are you trying to use/apply cpu scaling frequencies to/on a per core basis? |
| 23:03.41 | nicky^bee | lupine_85: it's a good question, but yes (: |
| 23:04.05 | nicky^bee | ok |
| 23:04.24 | nicky^bee | I mistyped the package name. sorry (: |
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| 23:05.56 | enouf | rdz: and, atleast specify which clock you mean ;-) |
| 23:06.26 | nicky^bee | hum conflicts with the others ruby1.8 packages |
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| 23:11.58 | enouf | hrm, if "ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/" exists for each core, then i'd imagine you can set the frequency per core |
| 23:12.44 | jelly-home | just because it exists, doesn't mean they're not bound together |
| 23:13.27 | jelly-home | this is the case on amd64 x2 we have at work in desktops |
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| 23:14.33 | davidX- | any t2000/debian users? or any debian/sparc users for that matter? |
| 23:14.50 | jelly-home | !sparc |
| 23:14.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 23:15.06 | jelly-home | meh, not really useful |
| 23:15.11 | Lagbolt | yeah, my X2 has a symlink for extra core. i think all the X2s at least the older ones are bound together with clockspeed. my X4 all run independent |
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| 23:17.29 | Pulpie | in gnome, i want to get new theme controls like if you go to themes>customize>controls what are those called on things like gnome-look.org |
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| 23:24.10 | phuzion | Hey, I just bought a server, and it came with two identical hard drives. Now, the weird thing is that the second hard drive (/dev/hdb) has all of the usual directories that you would find on a standard linux's / directory. Any ideas what this could be? |
| 23:24.42 | phuzion | My data isn't replicated to the second hard drive, by the way |
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| 23:27.13 | wols | phuzion: raid1 |
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| 23:27.23 | wols | raid1 but not mounted as raid1 |
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| 23:27.33 | phuzion | Software raid then? |
| 23:27.52 | wols | phuzion: best ask your hoster |
| 23:28.01 | phuzion | thats probably what I will end up doing |
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| 23:29.08 | Asymmetry | phuzion, try this: mdadm --examine --scan See if they are Linux MD RAID volumes. |
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| 23:29.43 | zzer | @google inline:index of porn -htm -html -asp -php -jsp -shmtl |
| 23:29.43 | zzer | !google inline:index of porn -htm -html -asp -php -jsp -shmtl |
| 23:30.01 | zzer | como es que es lol |
| 23:30.19 | davidX- | so whenever i cat /proc/cpuinfo on my Sunfire t2000 I don't really get just a simple gigaherz clock rate |
| 23:30.33 | davidX- | and i'm trying to confirm if this server is a 1ghz or 1.2ghz |
| 23:30.36 | davidX- | any suggestions? |
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| 23:30.42 | phuzion | mdadm isn't present, would that be safe to assume that it's not RAID? |
| 23:30.56 | Asymmetry | phuzion, no, it may still be RAID |
| 23:31.06 | Asymmetry | davidX-, what does /proc/cpuinfo actually say? |
| 23:31.16 | Asymmetry | davidX-, PM it. |
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| 23:33.23 | phuzion | Asymmetry, I got a "MD arrays needed for the root filesystem" prompt, what should I put? |
| 23:33.46 | Asymmetry | phuzion, enter "all", that's the safest bet. |
| 23:34.03 | Asymmetry | phuzion, if there are no arrays, it just fails silently, but doesn't fail the boot or anything. |
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| 23:34.45 | abrotman | davidX-: what do you get? |
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| 23:35.31 | dmoerner | i have a fresh etch install with the vserver-xen kernel, installed using expert mode on a lenny 2 beta disc. grub gives me error 13 on boot. any ideas? |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | davidX-: ? |
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| 23:37.31 | limpio | i've drawn a blank, what's the command to see how much the differen are using? |
| 23:37.35 | davidX- | hmm |
| 23:37.38 | davidX- | abrotman: one sec |
| 23:37.51 | Pulpie | where are non-preinstalled icons kept? |
| 23:37.54 | limpio | the different apps are using? sorry |
| 23:38.05 | davidX- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d6f122518 |
| 23:38.19 | abrotman | it's a 1.2Ghz IIRC |
| 23:38.39 | Pulpie | http://dbgthekafu.deviantart.com/art/black-white-2-Style-73276755 <--- i just got these icons and I want my ice weasel icon to look like the firefox one how can i do this because it does not do this automatically |
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| 23:39.07 | limpio | ok i remembered: ps -aux |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | Pulpie: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/black-white+2+Style?content=72619 |
| 23:39.31 | davidX- | abrotman: i hope so ;) |
| 23:39.36 | davidX- | if not i received the wrong stuff |
| 23:39.37 | davidX- | hah |
| 23:39.51 | Pulpie | abrotman: yes what about it? |
| 23:39.53 | davidX- | i'm a complete newb at linux on sparc |
| 23:40.16 | freeRag | when will the next deadian release be ready ? |
| 23:40.26 | phuzion | when it's ready |
| 23:40.27 | freeRag | *debian |
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| 23:41.06 | freeRag | cant you be a little more precise ? |
| 23:41.42 | Zulfi_2 | When debian 5 is out i wait |
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| 23:42.12 | Asymmetry | freeRag, no, we can't. That's the official response: When it's ready. |
| 23:42.23 | Pulpie | abrotman: im confused why you posted that link, i have the icons |
| 23:42.28 | Pulpie | they are installed |
| 23:42.47 | Pulpie | but icedove and iceweasel dont change to the firefox and thunderbird icons |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | Pulpie: which version of FF ? |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | davidX-: IIRC the bogo is 2x the clock |
| 23:43.52 | Asymmetry | abrotman, That's not usually a safe assumption... |
| 23:44.00 | abrotman | Asymmetry: no kidding .. i know that |
| 23:44.00 | Asymmetry | abrotman, then again, I know nothing about Sparc systems. |
| 23:44.01 | Pulpie | abrotman: iceweasel 3.0.1 |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | Asymmetry: but he says it's 1 or 1.2 .. the bogo is reading 2.4 |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | Pulpie: isn't that a gnome theme? not a gtk theme? |
| 23:44.35 | Asymmetry | abrotman, You could be right, hell if I know. |
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| 23:45.37 | umarzuki | hi guys |
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| 23:45.50 | Pulpie | abrotman: its icons |
| 23:45.59 | abrotman | Pulpie: isn't that a gnome theme? not a gtk theme? |
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| 23:46.14 | abrotman | Pulpie: let me put it another way .. |
| 23:46.16 | Pulpie | abrotman: to be honest im not sure of te difference |
| 23:46.24 | umarzuki | do you know what cause this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=31473 |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | Pulpie: IW/ID are gtk applications .. not gnome applications |
| 23:46.49 | davidX- | i see 32 cores |
| 23:46.54 | davidX- | does that help at all? |
| 23:46.59 | phuzion | Alright, I'm on chat with my host, asking why the hell I have 2 installations on my machine |
| 23:47.15 | davidX- | Cpu0Bogo: 2401.29 |
| 23:47.15 | davidX- | Cpu0ClkTck: 0000000047868c00 |
| 23:47.15 | davidX- | Cpu1Bogo: 2400.02 |
| 23:47.15 | davidX- | Cpu1ClkTck: 0000000047868c00 |
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| 23:47.18 | abrotman | davidX-: no .. but i'll take it :) |
| 23:47.19 | abrotman | oh |
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| 23:47.22 | davidX- | boo |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:47.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:47.35 | davidX- | 3 lines, thought it was 4 :( |
| 23:47.59 | Pulpie | abrotman: so i need to get a gtk theme that changes the application icons? |
| 23:48.20 | abrotman | Pulpie: i think so |
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| 23:49.15 | Pulpie | abrotman: but that makes no sense, i just want to change the icons of ice dove and ice weasel to something that is seen in the icon images... |
| 23:49.36 | Pulpie | not the actual application icons |
| 23:49.41 | Pulpie | just the short cut apps |
| 23:50.05 | abrotman | Pulpie: oh .. i'm sorry .. i thought you meant the actual application look |
| 23:50.17 | abrotman | Pulpie: if the person didn't create an icon for IW/ID .. you'll have ot make your own |
| 23:50.23 | Pulpie | abrotman: its ok i didn't explain it correctly |
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| 23:51.00 | Pulpie | abrotman: its on the image preview i think he made it for firefox and thunderbird not ice weasel and ice dove so it messes up on assigning the icons |
| 23:51.24 | Pulpie | so i just wand to figure out where they went in the system when you install the icons |
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| 23:51.44 | davidX- | !sparc |
| 23:51.44 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
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| 23:52.49 | Pulpie | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 23:52.56 | abrotman | i'm getting the tar |
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| 23:54.13 | Pulpie | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:54.22 | Pulpie | i know where its stored in the tar... |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | where is it ? |
| 23:54.41 | Pulpie | but instead of having dublicates on the system i wasn't to use where it installed the icons to |
| 23:54.51 | Pulpie | black-white_2-Style/scalable/apps/256 |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | i found it |
| 23:55.36 | Pulpie | i can manually change them and put those images in my home but i'd rather do it using the same ones that are resting in the system |
| 23:55.37 | abrotman | okay .. so which icon do you want to change? |
| 23:55.57 | Pulpie | the ice weasel and ice dove ones to the firefox and thunderbird ones |
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| 23:57.28 | Pulpie | oh and banshee to the audicity |
| 23:57.36 | Pulpie | audacty* |
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