IRC log for #debian on 20081004

00:00.12dudemanPedro420, you have tried to go through the alsa checklist?
00:00.15dudemanPedro420, remove esound/esd and arts/artsd
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00:00.31dudemanthen /msg dpkg alsa checklist
00:00.40Pavlzhello
00:00.50Pedro420dudeman: I guess.  I use limewire now but still have no sound in any movie players but used to have sound in rhythmbox but now i have now sound at all
00:00.55Pavlzi joined to my ftp
00:01.14dudemancongrats.
00:01.39Pavlznow on the notebook i got a directory full of data
00:01.55Pedro420dudeman: Whats alsa checklist ?
00:02.18dudemanPedro420, /msg dpkg alsa checklist (here on irc)
00:02.38Pavlzi want to move from /home/iderfix to my own ftp
00:03.03Samuel-NotAFKffs the debian installer won't detect my SSDs!
00:03.07dudemanPavlz, unless you want manually put files, I recommend a good ftp client
00:03.19Pavlzwhich command i must to use ?
00:03.24dudemanPavlz, I prefer to use FireFTP (XUL firefox application)
00:03.24Pavlzdebian
00:03.37dudemanthere is gftp, and ncftp and various other ncurses gui ftp clients too
00:03.45Pedro420dudeman: How do get that ?
00:03.45Pavlzi am using shell
00:03.55dudemanPedro420, what?
00:04.01dudeman!alsa checklist
00:04.01dpkg1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
00:04.03dudemandpkg, hi
00:04.03dpkghi, dudeman
00:04.19dudeman!tell Pedro420 -about alsa checklist
00:04.20dudeman!tell Pedro420 -about alsa
00:04.27dudeman!tell Pedro420 -about sound
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00:05.00dudemanPavlz, you still need an ftp client.. raw ftp client is like doing manual labor.
00:05.05dudemanPavlz, try to avoid that
00:05.13dudemanPavlz, try aptitude search ftp client
00:05.24specialcharWhy would a service not stay running from init.d? no errors when it runs the script, and runs fine when calling the program with same args from command line
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00:06.36dudemanPavlz, http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/ncftpput.html
00:07.07Octalotspecialchar: try strace'ing it, see what it tries to access before it falls over
00:07.15dudemanPavlz, you can also use fuseftp to mount your ftp server as a local drive
00:07.21dudemans/drive/mountpoint
00:07.37dudemanthen you can easliy cp/mv whatever you want
00:08.27dudemanor was it curftpfs
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00:08.39xsdggrummund: my mistake; I meant dumpe2fs
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00:08.43dudemanI can't remember, I just remember something called fuseftp (I maybe remembering incorrectly)
00:08.50askvictoris there a file that tells me all of the installed packages on my system?
00:08.51xsdggrummund: so, `dumpe2fs -h <partition>`
00:08.56dudemanmaybe curlftpfs
00:08.57specialchar@octalot afraid im not familiar with that command, but it doesnt output any error, and says its started fine
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00:09.42specialchar@octalot even changed the script to call the deamon with verbose arg
00:09.53Pedro420dudeman: thank you
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00:12.01Octalotspecialchar: try adding strace to init.d script - you'll need the -f and -o <logfile> arguments.  It will get a list of all the system calls that the deamon makes before it exits.
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00:16.21csilkHi I'm packaging an appilcation for inclusion in the repositories, i have a quick question. Am I in the right place
00:16.22csilk?
00:16.34dmoernercsilk: you already asked that herre
00:16.42csilkdifferent question this time
00:16.46dmoernerjust ask
00:16.48csilkif I've got an AUTHORS file like this > http://pastebin.com/m2171c9ab  should i just credit the lead/main developer or should i list everyone in that AUTHORS file even though some of them didn't do any developement, they did things like donate hardware etc?
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00:17.37dmoernercsilk: you should probably go to debian-mentors on oftc for questions like that
00:17.54boltI've got LVM on a raid 5 array, with several ext3 partitions. Now I want to remove one of them and grow one of the others to fill its space. How do I go ahead with this?
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00:18.19csilkthanks dmoerner
00:18.55dihymoi'm on 100Mbit line i get 50KB/s
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00:19.04dihymofor ktorrent
00:19.07dihymo:/
00:19.18xsdgbolt: lv{change,delete}, likely
00:19.33adamatorrent speeds depend on a lot of things
00:19.43xsdgbolt: sorry, lvremove and lvchange
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00:20.17xsdgbolt: it's easy to just remember the prefixes "lv", "pv", and "vg" and then use tab-complete to figure out what commands are there
00:21.01meeeroi've got problems here with an onboard sounchip. intel 82801BA-ICH2 ... i can't hear any sound and using kde, kmix says that there are no mixers available. even setting up soundservers in kcontrol using alsa or oss, .. doesn't help. perhaphs a kernelmodule needs to be loaded, i don't know, any ideas?
00:21.11meeerobut using alsamixer i can control audio
00:21.18meeeromaster ou, pcm, line and stuff
00:21.43meeeroit says: Chip: Analog Devices AD1885, Card: Intel 82801BA-ICH2
00:22.24Pavlzaptitude is not easy to use
00:22.28boltxsdg: thanks. i'll try that
00:22.48Pavlzi necessary a guide
00:22.58meeeroand this control using alsamixer works for line-in and line-out... so audio going through line-in and out again to audio-out (the green connector) can be controlled
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00:23.08Pavlznow i go to sleep
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00:23.14bunnytoHelp!!!
00:23.20bunnytohow to play DIVX with VLC ?
00:23.27dudemanwtf just happened?
00:23.27Pavlzgood night
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00:23.33Maliutabunnyto: press the play button
00:23.38prolixbye Pavlz
00:23.42boltbunnyto: and read the manual
00:23.46bunnytoMaliuta i did, doesnt work
00:23.53bunnytobolt i did doesnt work
00:23.54Pavlzgoot nacht
00:23.57bolt!doesn't work
00:23.57dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
00:24.00dudeman08:20 -!- Irssi: No PONG reply from server chat.freenode.net in 301 seconds, disconnecting
00:24.03Maliutabunnyto: the other play button
00:24.04prolixguten nacht
00:24.05dudeman!ping
00:24.06dpkgpong
00:24.10dudemanman hello
00:24.15dudemancan anyone see what I am typing
00:24.24prolixi see you dudeman
00:24.26dudemanhello...
00:24.31dudemanoh
00:24.39dudemanscratches head... no clue whats up with my network
00:24.43bunnytoW: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
00:24.49bunnytowhy am i having that error?
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00:25.57bunnytohelp please... im desperado
00:26.05dudemanlol
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00:26.15xsdgbunnyto: it's just a warning
00:26.17dudemanbunnyto, perhaps /topic may help
00:26.27xsdgbunnyto: the "W:" means "warning"
00:26.28bunnytoxsdg: ok
00:26.36dudeman!no public key
00:26.37dpkgSeeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have.  If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details.  The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/.
00:26.37xsdgbunnyto: the warning itself is a GPG error
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00:26.56dudemanints in ALL CAPS IN THE TOPIC
00:27.10xsdgdudeman: ints? I prefer longs
00:27.14dudemanits*
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00:27.15dudemanxsdg, hehehe
00:27.17xsdg8)
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00:28.04Trampbunnyto: your question is the first in the FAQ on http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.php
00:28.14dudemanoh
00:28.18bunnytowhat is a FAK sir?
00:28.21bunnytooh i see
00:28.21dudemanI didn't even read he was talking about dmm
00:28.23dudemandoh
00:28.30dudemanyeh install debian-multimedia-keyring
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00:28.40dudemanwrong factoid, sorry!
00:29.02bunnytoTramp: thank you sir, i love you
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00:29.07dudemanwow
00:29.12dudemanbunnyto, thats all it takes?
00:29.14dudeman;)
00:29.14Trampnp. I love me too.
00:29.45bunnytoit is installing a lot of things...
00:29.57bunnytolinux-kernel-2.7
00:30.08bunnytoi just want to play DIVX
00:30.18dudemanporn
00:30.28bunnytomidget
00:30.30dudemanI mean... ahem.
00:30.44dudemangotta go
00:30.50bunnytook, i love you too
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00:31.04dudemanew.
00:31.23specialcharvlc rocks my pron bunny
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00:33.48Polizeimplayer pwnz for pr0n :>
00:33.57Polizeimplayer -vo svga -ao null :p
00:34.20MaliutaPolizei: you don't use aalib for your pron?
00:34.33Polizeii guess that this should be a `how to watch pr0n on my server' kickstart tute :/
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00:34.51PolizeiMaliuta, sometimes i fail to caca :>
00:35.03christozwhile trying to use the update manager i have this error message, "E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)"
00:35.09christoznever seen that before
00:35.25Polizei/home/root ??
00:35.28christozyes
00:35.39CutMeOwnThroatecho $HOME
00:35.40CutMeOwnThroat?
00:35.52adbyes  a user named "root"
00:36.19CutMeOwnThroatthere is only one user named "root" and that is root!
00:36.19Polizeia bit strange...
00:36.21CutMeOwnThroat:-P
00:36.35CutMeOwnThroat(obviously)
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00:36.41christozwhile trying to use the update manager i have this error message, "E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)"
00:36.43christozoops
00:36.44christozsorry
00:36.50christozchemical@chemical:~$ echo $HOME
00:36.50christoz/home/chemical
00:36.54Polizeigenerally i move my root to /home too, but i always symlink it to /root ...
00:37.10CutMeOwnThroatoh
00:37.16CutMeOwnThroatso you tried to update as a normal user?
00:37.18christozi was wondering if this think is alive :p
00:37.31christoznope i gave the root password
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00:37.41christozand then found the updates
00:37.56christozbut with the above error i gave you
00:38.17prolixunfair
00:38.32CutMeOwnThroatok... perhaps time to tell us what you did :)
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00:38.48Polizeiand how :>
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00:38.52CutMeOwnThroatobviously default for root's homedir in Debian is /root
00:38.55prolixchristoz: which version of debian are you using?  cat /etc/debian_version
00:38.59christozlenny
00:39.37prolixyou sure you're not using ubuntu?
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00:40.00rdzhow can i open a terminal to talk to /dev/rfcomm1 ?
00:40.13christozprolix, cat /etc/debian_version
00:40.20christozlenny/sid
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00:40.34prolixtrickery
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00:40.36CutMeOwnThroatnow that's also strange
00:40.36prolixunfair
00:40.49CutMeOwnThroatthat file only contains a version number on my system
00:40.53prolixit's ubuntu
00:41.26christozprolix, it is not a joke mate
00:41.44bluefoxxso is there a way i can have aptitude automatically install dependancies when a requested install needs them? like for example, irssi wont install because it wants perl, which wont install cause it wants libc6 upgraded...how can i have aptitude fix those automatically when i ask for the first?
00:41.47prolixchristoz: i'm quite sure it isn't, but cat /ect/debian_version returns a number, not a name.
00:41.55christozsu
00:42.00prolixs/ect/etc/
00:42.11prolixand your file structure is alien, too
00:42.33prolixcome on, no trickery.  be honest and use #ubuntu
00:42.54prolixor switch
00:42.58CutMeOwnThroatdetective prolix strikes again?
00:43.11prolixpuffs on pipe
00:43.24bluefoxxcan it be done?
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00:44.15torrrin gnome, can I make special unicode chars visible?
00:44.23torrr(temporarily)
00:44.31lewis2does anyone have any experience with ProxyPreserveHost on apache 2.2?
00:44.44CutMeOwnThroatprolix, are you saying ubuntu actually puts the root home directory in /home/root?
00:44.57CutMeOwnThroatI actually can't believe *any* distribution does that
00:45.21christozprolix's ubuntu does that :P
00:45.48CutMeOwnThroatbecause... there's a reason to have it in / instead of of /home - and a very good one for that
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00:46.20prolixCutMeOwnThroat: heh
00:46.38prolixchristoz: come on over to the good side, man.  same functionality, much better support
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00:47.05christozhmmm, which side is that ?
00:47.11yao_ziyuancurrently i use ubuntu,
00:47.22lewis2apache gets stuck in a loop and exceeds MaxClients when I enable it on a virtualhost...
00:47.23yao_ziyuanbut i hate that it doesn't give me the latest packages
00:47.24prolixthis side, the best side.  the side with the red swirl
00:47.24amphiburn the witch!
00:47.29CutMeOwnThroatdarth vaders side, obviously (CHCCHHHH)
00:47.34yao_ziyuanfor example, gimp is 2.6 now but ubuntu only has 2.4.7
00:47.56yao_ziyuanfedora provides the latest pckages, but fedora has many slow stuff such as selinux
00:48.15yao_ziyuanso i want a distro both running fast and having the latest packages
00:48.23yao_ziyuanis debian a choice?
00:48.23amphiyao_ziyuan: so does lenny
00:48.24CutMeOwnThroatyao_ziyuan, use gentoo and enjoy the sweet sound of compiling
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00:48.41amphiyao_ziyuan: WRT gimp version
00:48.55yao_ziyuandoes debian's repository provide gimp 2.6?
00:49.18Silveryao
00:49.31yao_ziyuanSilver: what?
00:49.51Silveryaa-oh
00:49.55CutMeOwnThroat!start a distro war
00:49.55dpkgUbuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
00:50.06CutMeOwnThroathehe
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00:51.21yao_ziyuani just googled
00:51.33yao_ziyuandebian's testing repository (lenny) also only has gimp 2.4.7-1
00:52.05prolixchristoz: have you ever used apt or aptitude?  they're fairly easy to use
00:52.24prolixfor example, wanting to update, from the command line, apt-get update or aptitude update
00:52.34christozi prefer aptitude prolix
00:52.43CutMeOwnThroatyao_ziyuan, lenny is currently frozen, though
00:52.45prolixthat's fine, both work
00:53.01Octalotunstable only has gimp 2.4
00:53.03christozi use apt-pining too
00:53.03yao_ziyuanCutMeOwnThroat: why frozen?
00:53.11prolixpinning?
00:53.16Kovensky!status
00:53.17dpkgSince Tue Sep 23 04:13:53 2008, there have been 39 modifications, 1928 questions, 451 dunnos, 8 morons and 577 commands.  I have been awake for 10d 20h 39m 23s this session, and currently reference 38452 factoids.  I'm using about 16936 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 773.21/39.93 child 0/0
00:53.22Kovenskyoops
00:53.25Kovensky!lenny status
00:53.26dpkgToolchain: frozen.  Libs: frozen.  Everything else: frozen.  Now, it's serious bug squashing time.  When will lenny release?  Sooner if you help.  See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help.  See also <rc-alert>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html
00:53.52CutMeOwnThroatyao_ziyuan, ^^^
00:53.54prolixchristoz: you use unstable/testing packages?  like what?
00:53.54christozprolix check this out http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
00:54.04CutMeOwnThroatin short, because it's going to become stable any century now
00:54.18christozyes, for example i want the latest version od pidgin
00:54.23christozof*
00:54.45prolixhuh.
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00:55.43CutMeOwnThroatchristoz,  hm, what does "dpkg -s synaptic |grep ^Version" say?
00:56.24yao_ziyuanso deiban isn't much fresher than ubuntu
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00:56.31christozCutMeOwnThroat, Version: 0.62.1
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00:57.26CutMeOwnThroathmm... that's the sid version
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00:58.01christozso lenny/sid makes a point
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00:58.42CutMeOwnThroatchristoz, there's also version 0.60+b2 in testing...  did you check the BTS?
00:59.31christozCutMeOwnThroat, dunno what does BTS mean, (you can call me lame :P )
00:59.44cmlOn my somewhat recent Etch server, when I run an apt-get upgrade, openssh-client and openssh-server are being held back for no seemingly good reason
00:59.46CutMeOwnThroat!BTS
00:59.46dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
01:00.05christozoh i know that :p
01:00.09cmland I have no clue why
01:00.31simonrvnuse aptitude and be happy
01:00.42lewis2does anyone have any experience with ProxyPreserveHost on apache 2.2? apache gets stuck in a loop and exceeds MaxClients when I enable it on a virtualhost... any ideas?
01:00.50CutMeOwnThroatchristoz, as this is a sid package which didn't make it into lenny, bugs aren't _so_ surprising
01:01.20CutMeOwnThroatcml, do apt-get install <package> manually, and you'll probably see the reason
01:01.23simonrvnmake sure to enable auto upgrade, and look at the other options too
01:02.15christozCutMeOwnThroat, for some "Unknown: reason the home directory of root that Update manager sees had changed , i have rolled it back to /root and everything is back to normal
01:02.38cmlCutMeOwnThroat: it grabbed the blacklist, thanks!
01:02.55CutMeOwnThroatcml, it probably wanted to remove some packages, right?
01:03.06cmlno...
01:03.24CutMeOwnThroat*shrug* a chappie can't be always right, I guess
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01:03.43CutMeOwnThroateven if he's me
01:03.51cmljust wanted to make sure I wasn't in the wrong either, it grabbed the openssh-blacklist package and updated my keys
01:04.00cmlso I should be good now
01:04.11christozCutMeOwnThroat, maybe it's a "pebkac" issue
01:04.13christoz:P
01:04.29CutMeOwnThroathm, weird - but why should an additional needed package hold it back?
01:05.42christozpebkac : problems exists between keyboard and chair
01:05.45CutMeOwnThroatchristoz, in the end, which issue isnt... perhaps it wasnt YOUR chair and YOUR keyboard, but somewhere, on some table...
01:05.51christozhaha
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01:08.00cmlI am frequently a problem between keyboards and chairs :-P
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01:09.19Samuel-NotAFKWhat type of partition table should I use?
01:09.43CutMeOwnThroathow many types are there?
01:09.47meglomsdos
01:09.51Samuel-NotAFK10
01:09.52Samuel-NotAFKthanks
01:10.05CutMeOwnThroatcool, can you list them?
01:10.10Samuel-NotAFKno
01:10.19CutMeOwnThroatcan you list more than 1?
01:10.31Samuel-NotAFKsun
01:10.32Samuel-NotAFKloop
01:10.34Samuel-NotAFKmsdos
01:10.36Samuel-NotAFKamiga
01:10.40Samuel-NotAFKpc98
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01:12.19prolixcounts
01:12.21CutMeOwnThroatoh, now I get it
01:12.37CutMeOwnThroatyou mean "partition type"?
01:12.41Kovenskyefi
01:12.50Kumoollol
01:12.57Samuel-NotAFKlol
01:13.01KumoolSamuel-NotAFK: use swap for everything :P
01:13.18Agent_bobdoesn't use partitions
01:13.20CutMeOwnThroat"partition type" != "type of partition table"
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01:13.23Kovenskyuses 8e for everything
01:13.33KovenskyAgent_bob: :O
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01:14.12prolixzeroes have feelings too
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01:14.50Samuel-NotAFKInstalling the base system...
01:14.51Kumoolbut really Samuel-NotAFK depends on what you want the partition for
01:14.56CutMeOwnThroatprolix, dunno, I think you could call them emotionally empty
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01:15.08prolixba-dum tsssh
01:15.54Samuel-NotAFKThe installation had better work this time
01:15.54CutMeOwnThroatnow, really - are there different types of partition tables?
01:16.12simonrvnyes
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01:16.37Samuel-NotAFKHmmmmmm I have a choice out of 4 kernels, 2.6-486, 2.6-686, 2.6.24-1-486, 2.6.24-1-686
01:16.47Samuel-NotAFKIntel Atom CPU
01:16.55KovenskySamuel-NotAFK: eeepc}
01:16.56Kovensky?
01:17.00Samuel-NotAFKyes
01:17.03Kovenskyand wtf are you installing stable?
01:17.08Kovenskyput a 2.6.26 there, man =p
01:17.09Samuel-NotAFK2.6-686 I think
01:17.18Kovensky2.6 just pulls the latest
01:17.25simonrvn2.6- gests the latest
01:17.25Samuel-NotAFKdone
01:17.25simonrvn2.6.24- would be that latest
01:17.28Kovenskyif 2.6.24 is the latest, you're too old
01:17.32simonrvngets*
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01:17.42simonrvnit's etchnhalf i'm guessing
01:17.44Samuel-NotAFKI forgot why I put 2.6.24 on the usb drive now
01:17.49Kovenskybtw, when will 2.6.27 be out?
01:17.57simonrvnwir
01:18.07Kovenskyheh
01:18.09Kovenskyas usual ;)
01:18.23Kovenskygoes read lwn.net, he's 2 weeks behind
01:19.33christozCutMeOwnThroat,  i think my issue is a bug issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/198172
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01:20.34nxmehtafor a file server with desktop drives that accessed somewhat infrequently, anyone have some advice about spindown settings to use to maximize drive life?  should i be spinning drives down, or will that just wear the drive out?
01:20.35Samuel-NotAFKI'm doing a net install without using the net
01:20.54Samuel-NotAFKahhhhhhhh why won't grub install?!?!?
01:22.07smacnayany recommendations on mp3 players that play nice with linux... play ogg, flac, etc.
01:22.08Samuel-NotAFKamarok
01:22.08Agent_bobvlc
01:22.12smacnaySamuel-NotAFK, sorry, I meant the little hardware (iPod-like) players.
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01:22.49prolixipods work
01:22.54simonrvnnxmehta: if they'll be spun up and down more than coupla times a day i wouldn't bother
01:23.13smacnayprolix, ogg and flac playback on iPods?
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01:23.21prolixoh
01:23.30Samuel-NotAFK/dev/scdi: is a directory cannot open /dev/scsi read-write with error code 1
01:23.30Samuel-NotAFKFFS I can't install grub!
01:23.37prolixsmacnay: that, i don't know
01:24.12simonrvnSamuel-NotAFK: read what it says
01:24.32Samuel-NotAFKefi-modules doesn't exist
01:25.00nxmehtasimonrvn: thanks, yeah i probably shouldn't bother
01:25.03Trampsmacnay: it's OT here, but check for devices which run with rockbox. I have a cowon x5 (which is not produced anymore, afaik) which I like a lot
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01:25.42CutMeOwnThroatchristoz, aha
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01:26.22Bizzehhey, does debian have sshd running on cd boot so i can do a server install without having to be at the server?
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01:26.57simonrvnnxmehta: what you could do is have them go into slow mode, i can't recall what that's called now, but it'll use less power, while still being spun up.
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01:27.30simonrvnnxmehta: if it's a recent drive / set of drives, smartmontools can help with that (also hdparm).
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01:32.44RichiHman, searching for a premade mysql backup solution that will do staged backups is annoying..
01:33.38CutMeOwnThroatsad when cp -R ain't good enough for people anymore
01:33.42CutMeOwnThroatkids of today
01:33.48nvzI am trying to install debian etch from a USB DVD drive on an Eee PC to a 4gb SD card. It failed half way through installing packages after the base install. I'm not sure wth is up with it I need some advice
01:34.08nvzit was saying failed to read from dead device referring to the DVD rom
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01:34.26simonrvnstaged? i'd write something.
01:34.32nvzI didn't make a swap partition because there wasn't really enough space for one, I figured the 2gb ram would have been enough
01:35.22nvzI made the fs ext2, is that safe to use on an SD card install? cause the fs is all corrupted somehow
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01:35.26simonrvnwatches the script he did write - not staged, but didn't need that
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01:35.47simonrvnit should, since you want to avoid too many writes
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01:36.05nvzyeah I figured ext3 would be bad so I used ext2
01:36.41nvzI'm just not sure what I should do before I just try installing again. I've never done a rube goldberg install on an Eee PC before
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01:37.44simonrvni thought there was already some stuff on those on the debian wiki
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01:38.26nvzloading the web browser now to look
01:39.28simonrvnmeh, i should've installed screen before building this kernel...
01:40.31nvzhaha
01:40.36nvzI never compile without using screen
01:41.31Agent_bobshy screen ?
01:41.34simonrvnfor some reason this term i'm in - VirtualBox, hosting an on-disk freebsd install - doesn't grok ^c either
01:41.35Agent_bobwhy
01:41.53simonrvnbecause it's fricking useful, that's why
01:42.01Agent_bobfor ?
01:42.36simonrvnuse it, you'll see
01:42.46Agent_bobi have used it. i don't like it
01:42.52dudemannvz, your buddy was in here earlier
01:42.53christozbye bye
01:43.03dudemannvz, his sound is also gone bye bye
01:43.42nvzwho pedro?
01:43.47dudemanyes
01:43.54nvzah.. that sucks.
01:43.56Agent_bobi know it has it's place,  but i don't see why one would want to compile inside of screen     that's why i asked.
01:44.00simonrvnAgent_bob: why? user error, or you really have used it, and didn't like it?
01:44.02nvzdid he figure out what was wrong?
01:44.17dudemani tried to help him, but I don't know. he just thanked me and left
01:44.20nvzhe has an SBLive in there with the Live Drive thing, and also an onboard VIA I believe
01:44.34simonrvnbecause then if the ssh or whatever session dies, the build doesn't die, and you can still use that term for other things.
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01:45.05Agent_bobwell see you have added ssh to the equasion.
01:45.07RichiHsimonrvn: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=101066&package_id=108655&release_id=393739
01:45.29simonrvni use it locally too
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01:46.38simonrvnRichiH: hehe, 2 yrs old, but hey, hopefully it works out :)
01:47.15simonrvn(2 years isn't long enough for - too much - bitrot)
01:47.42RichiHthe mysql client did not change for far loner
01:47.48RichiHthe commands it uses, i mean
01:47.50RichiHso.. :)
01:47.51bluefoxxsmacnay, im a little late in contributing here, but the sandisk sansa e2xx works wonderfully for me. stick rockbox on it for more features, after putting it in msc mode and you'r set
01:48.26simonrvnit'll be fine :)
01:48.53smacnaybluefoxx, thanks for the info - I am reading a lot on various players and will read about this one as well.
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01:49.09smacnaybluefoxx, what is rockbox and where can it be found?
01:50.14simonrvnthere's #rockbox this network; rockbox.org
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01:51.50Samuel-NotAFKFFS I finally managed to install Debian and now I can't login!
01:51.57Samuel-NotAFKLogin incorrect
01:52.30CutMeOwnThroatyou shouldn't have used the ubuntu CD to install Debian :-P
01:52.36simonrvnit boots now. that's just a minor obstacle
01:52.56CutMeOwnThroat(har har)
01:53.00Samuel-NotAFKsimonrvn: I can't login to 'root' or 'sam'
01:53.07Samuel-NotAFKWhat shall I do?!!?
01:53.23CutMeOwnThroatSamuel-NotAFK, reboot, init=/bin/bash
01:53.26CutMeOwnThroatfor example
01:53.34bluefoxxsmacnay, http://rockbox.org i belive. it is a alternate firmware for some DAP models. sorta like linux for your mp3 player
01:53.34simonrvn!ifrp
01:53.34dpkg[ifrp] 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:53.46smacnaythanks
01:54.12CutMeOwnThroatifrp?
01:54.28simonrvni forgot root's password
01:54.31CutMeOwnThroataha
01:54.45Samuel-NotAFKreinstallation time then :(
01:54.47CutMeOwnThroat.oO(I found round potatoes)
01:55.02simonrvnhehe
01:55.07simonrvnSamuel-NotAFK: er, why?
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01:55.20simonrvnthis isn't windows
01:55.26Samuel-NotAFKsimonrvn: My password doesn't work
01:55.36CutMeOwnThroat.oO(I fell really poor)
01:55.41Samuel-NotAFKI don't have a clue how to get around that.
01:55.57CutMeOwnThroatSamuel-NotAFK, that's why we just told you to re-set it?
01:56.02CutMeOwnThroatscratches head
01:56.05Samuel-NotAFKHow?
01:56.13Samuel-NotAFKI can't even login
01:56.18simonrvn^^^^^^ that's how
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01:56.21CutMeOwnThroatread the above?
01:56.25Samuel-NotAFKI'm using LILO
01:56.28Samuel-NotAFKnot GRUB
01:56.35CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't matter
01:56.42simonrvn!ifrp
01:56.42simonrvnso?
01:56.42dpkgifrp is, like, 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:57.27simonrvnoh ffs, finish already
01:57.30CutMeOwnThroattype tab or shift or something to get into the boot menu, then add init=/bin/bash
01:57.48simonrvnright shift IIRC
01:58.32Agent_bobgrub ?    [esc]
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01:58.46obmijwakes up to see his Debian installation updated and his desktop looking slick
01:58.49obmijI love this distro
01:58.52Samuel-NotAFKHow do I do step 2?!!?
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01:59.18Samuel-NotAFKaha
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01:59.49obmijalso vuze (formerly Azureus) looks *slick!*
01:59.58pauljrvuze is slick
02:00.00Samuel-NotAFKusing Ktorrent
02:00.27obmijdoes Ktorrent come with a GUI?
02:00.52simonrvncomes with a kde dep
02:00.55Samuel-NotAFKYes.
02:01.09obmijI'm on gnome :P
02:01.17smacnaybluefoxx, hmm, rockbox looks interesting.
02:01.37bluefoxxsmacnay, it is rather fun...
02:01.48simonrvnit is. i want it to support my express
02:02.05smacnayseems to be able to do more with a player than the native software - especially support for audio codecs.
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02:02.34obmijok could I mount a qemu or VirtualBOX volume somehow?
02:02.51obmijand which one would you guys consider superior?
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02:03.17simonrvnyes. e.g., the express supports mpeg, mp3, wma, jpeg, png, and one other thing, but it only does wma and mp3 in the binary firmware
02:04.17dudemanyou should not use ktorrent
02:04.26csilkreading through the man pages i cant see what the -sa flag does with debuild
02:04.33dudemanits broken on many private trackers that use ratio systems
02:04.40dudemantry deluge-torrent instead
02:04.45simonrvninclude source in upload
02:04.55simonrvnit's passed to dpkg-buildpackage
02:05.02dudemandeluge is based on libtorrent and is very good, minimal and featureful
02:05.05Agent_bobdudeman what's wrong with ktorrent ?
02:05.27dudemanI just told you whats wrong with it, for further information search google
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02:05.34simonrvnwhich libtorrent? ;)
02:05.48csilksimonrvn,  so that would be preferable then, to do -sa and include the source with the package?
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02:05.56DynamicPinkI have a problem with gnome that I can't crack.
02:06.13simonrvncsilk: if it's a new tarball, not present in the repo, yes, otherwise don't bother.
02:06.18dudemansimonrvn, same from rtorrent
02:06.28dudemanwhatever that uses (I read)
02:06.39simonrvnthough i usually don't bother removing the flag ;p
02:06.46simonrvn'k
02:06.50Agent_bobdudeman maybe i should have said  what version
02:07.03simonrvnyeh, i think that's the ok one, IIRC
02:07.05csilksimonrvn, ok, what if it's an update.. as in, the rep only has an older version of the said software?
02:07.09DynamicPinkThe Desktop flashes briefly and dumps back to the GDM login screen. If I log in as a different user, then I can open the problem account in a window with no problems.
02:07.10csilk*repo
02:07.11dudemanAgent_bob, all including the latest
02:07.58obmijI wonder if aptitude clears cache automatically
02:08.04simonrvnDynamicPink: check the environment, including dot dirs and files
02:08.18simonrvnobmij: you can set it that way.... check the options menu
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02:09.04obmijbtw, I'm trying to aptitude install gimp and it's only going up to 2.4.7 :(
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02:09.05Agent_bobanyone use mc regularly ?
02:09.11simonrvncsilk: same tarball? then it won't matter, as the repo s/w will kill it
02:09.14DynamicPinksimonrvn, pardon my ignorance, but where? My home directory? I renamed the .gnome and .gconf directories and tried to log in, but it did the same thing.
02:09.20simonrvnyes
02:09.25csilksimonrvn,  ok thanks
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02:09.31Agent_bobi have found that mc fails on some dir names
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02:09.36simonrvnDynamicPink: then it's something else
02:09.38obmijno 2.6?
02:09.46simonrvnAgent_bob: using utf-8?
02:09.57Agent_bobno.  using C
02:10.05DynamicPinksimonrvn, I had a message about bonobo activation server, but doing a killall on that didn't fix it either.
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02:10.25SivikDoes anyone know how to install debian on a ibm xserver 345?
02:10.30simonrvni'd consider using some utf-8 locales
02:10.34Agent_bobsimonrvn a good test case is   mkdir '
02:10.34Agent_bob'
02:10.47simonrvnDynamicPink: ah ok, check the bts
02:10.58obmijok something's not adding up
02:11.03obmijI can't install gimp 2.6
02:11.10obmijit's going only as far as 2.4.7
02:11.18simonrvnnot in etch no
02:11.24DynamicPinksimonrvn, bts? I am not really familiar with gnome. Where is that located?
02:11.32simonrvn!bts
02:11.32dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
02:11.58simonrvnthat bts ;)
02:12.14obmijumm halp! anyone here use gimp?
02:12.32DynamicPinkOk, thanks for the help.
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02:12.58prolixobmij: can't you build it from source?
02:13.04simonrvnsid only has 2.4.7
02:13.21obmijI'm on lenny
02:13.33simonrvnlenny would have the same
02:13.44obmij:(
02:14.01simonrvnwhat's so special about 2.6 ?
02:14.07obmijlooks kinda nice
02:14.09obmijdrools
02:14.28prolixno building, eh?
02:14.53simonrvnso, no real reason, then.
02:15.19obmijno the sns syndrom only
02:15.25obmijsyndrome*
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02:16.10simonrvni like what they've done with marquee selections, and other things. real handy.
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02:16.56simonrvnhehe
02:17.04prolixdoesn't dpkg have a joke about not wanting to do builds?
02:17.09simonrvnAgent_bob ... has left #debian ("i'll go troll some place else.")
02:17.21obmijlol
02:17.30simonrvnsomewhere in there...
02:17.40obmijcome on
02:17.44obmijI left Gentoo for a reason
02:17.48obmijseriously
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02:18.07simonrvnit's probably not even in experimental yet
02:18.17prolix!be build barbie
02:18.17dpkgBut build is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
02:18.32obmijit's not hard
02:18.34obmijit's boring
02:18.47prolixcomplaining is much more effective, i agree
02:19.03simonrvnit's less boring ;p
02:19.07obmijI have to leave this laptop here
02:19.07obmijand like come back an hour later
02:19.07obmijthat is why Debian > *
02:19.40obmijI'm not complaining
02:19.50ghostdogGentoo is for dorks
02:19.50obmijjust a sad face
02:19.52obmijthat's all
02:19.56obmijsad panda
02:19.58aoeuwhat file do i edit to make my java binary directory visible to other programs? like i type java in a console, and it finds java.
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02:20.15obmij:(
02:20.36simonrvninstall it the debian way ;p
02:20.52justinburgerHi, I m trying to generate an SSL CSR, but when I upload it to godaddy they're throwing back "The CSR you have created includes a possible compromised key" I verified I have the latest version, by attempting an apt-get update and getting back "openssl is already the newest version."  thoughts?
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02:21.02obmijghostdog, gentoo is for people who need to get a job
02:21.21obmijand realize that, forcing something to run isn't really an acomplishment
02:21.38obmijI mean if you give me enough time I will use a pencil as a kernel OS
02:21.40stewgentoo could be a decent file manager if it weren't so buggy.  but its buggy enough that you might as well stick with mc
02:21.47obmijkernel of an OS*
02:21.50obmijbut what is the point?
02:22.04simonrvnmc++
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02:22.40ghostdogI started with gentoo, used it on my main system for a good 2-3 years
02:22.48obmijGentoo is like a dead horse
02:22.49TwistOfFateguys, why is there no backport of cacti 0.8.7b for etch?
02:22.50stewactualliy mc has been crapping out on me recently too.  i need to track down why, but it seems to not like some filenames in my music library
02:22.55obmijI used it for a year on my laptop
02:23.03dryrotwhy can't Debian just make up with Mozilla and call it firefox again, this is silly
02:23.06obmijand then I decided that maybe I don't need a week to setup a small desktop
02:23.10ghostdogGot sick of fixing their ebuilds
02:23.22ghostdogfixing/auditing
02:23.25csilkOBcecado,  you think gentoo is a dead horse.. i started with slackware, thats like a horse that dies in the mid 90's ;)
02:23.35csilkobmij, ^
02:23.41csilk*died
02:23.42TwistOfFateslackware is truly pathetic
02:23.50csilkbaah.. 3:23am bed time
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02:24.12csilkas much as i rip on slackware, it did actually teach me alot
02:24.16rolerosdf
02:24.32lunkgentoo and slackware both taught me a lot
02:24.33ghostdogThough if forced to make a choice between Gentoo and a RH based distro, I'll take Gentoo every time
02:24.42lunkbut the most important lesson, my time is worth more
02:24.47obmijrpm goes in the pooper
02:24.49obmijI agree
02:25.00TwistOfFatejust accept it guys. the big boys use redhat.
02:25.17obmijthe big boys have IT managers who need food and shelter
02:25.19ghostdogRPM is a POS
02:25.23obmijso of course they use redhat
02:25.33obmijsomeone told them it's a good idea
02:25.47TwistOfFateweill redhat is enterprise grade with support.
02:26.01ghostdogRetarded Package Manager
02:26.04obmijyes yes
02:26.07obmij^^
02:26.09csilk"enterprise grade" is a very vauge description
02:26.20obmij"Enterprise" is one of those terms I love so dearly
02:26.29obmijit came out of nowhere
02:26.35obmijand suddenly it's all over news articles
02:26.49obmijreminds of Captain Jean Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise
02:26.50prolixsupport?
02:28.06obmijme of*
02:28.06prolixsomeone reading the manual out loud == support?
02:28.06csilklove a good netsplit
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02:28.16TwistOfFatedon't get me wrong, my prefered option is debian everytimie
02:28.16ghostdog"enterprise grade support".... in otherwords, it sucks so you're going to need support
02:28.16csilkthe last time i used debian it was 2003
02:28.16csilkdebian was so slow back then i ditched it for slackware
02:28.16TwistOfFatei grew up on debian.
02:28.16TwistOfFateit's what i know
02:28.16obmijghostdog, reffer to my example
02:28.16obmijif stuff don't break, IT managers will end up on streets
02:28.21TwistOfFatei wanted to learn more about freebsd; thought it would be beneficial.
02:28.23TwistOfFatebut it's too hard
02:28.23ghostdogWe'll put together a distro that everyone hates working with, which will bring in money for support
02:28.47obmijTwistOfFate, I use FreeBSD 7rel on my home server
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02:29.05TwistOfFatewhat are its benefits over debian
02:29.11prolixos x + rh?
02:29.12obmijhaven't seen any
02:29.16obmijthe BSD kernel? dunno
02:29.26ghostdogI have a FreeBSD 6 that has been idling for ages in the basement
02:29.36obmijhehe yeah I tend to forget it exists
02:31.47aoeujust got some bad help from java's site. told me to do path= and export path, and now all my other commands don't work
02:31.53ghostdogDefinitely great for servers
02:32.20aoeulike i can't su anymore. i have to run /bin/su in order for it to work
02:32.41prolixexport path=$path /path/name/here   broke stuff?
02:32.46ghostdogIt's ok for desktops, but it does lag behind linux distros
02:33.00obmijfor desktop? hell no
02:33.11obmijI mean it's not good for desktops
02:33.22ghostdog*shrug* used 6 rel for a bit. It was fine
02:33.23obmijotherwise I would've installed it on the laptop instead
02:33.31aoeui did "PATH=/usr/java/jre1.6.0_07/bin ; export PATH"
02:33.38pgpkeyswhat's not good for desktops? freebsd?
02:33.43obmijyeah
02:33.48obmijfor me anyway
02:33.48pgpkeysyou're on fuckin crack
02:33.50aoeuoh i'm stupid
02:33.57obmijoh shut up
02:33.58aoeusaid to edit a file, not type in a command
02:34.01aoeuneeds more sleep
02:34.15obmijoh yes now I remember why I'm pissed
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02:34.26obmijHello! No fucking native flash client!
02:34.30obmijsure is fucking great
02:34.35prolixexport PATH=$PATH /usr/java/jrel.6.0_07/bin
02:34.37obmijoh and what else... no ATI driver!
02:34.42obmijoh wow fucking fantastic
02:34.57obmijplease
02:35.01simonrvnaoeu: you forgot "$PATH:/usr/java/jre1.6.0_07/bin"
02:35.04obmijlay off the fucking fanboyism
02:35.13obmijI use it, it's great... but not for Desktop
02:35.41ghostdogI said "it's ok" not "it's great"
02:35.52pgpkeysso because there's no native flash client that makes it suck as a desktop. uh huh. ok. next. the linux flash plugin breaks down just about every other release but it's an awesome desktop! woohoo!
02:35.55obmijno I'm responding to pgpkeys
02:35.56pgpkeysoh yeah!
02:36.02simonrvnyou wiped out your complete PATH, and only had the java stuff... you can always reset it ;).
02:36.08obmijmine has NEVER broken
02:36.11pgpkeysshakes his head and rolls his eyes and goes about his business
02:36.17obmijNEVER
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02:36.20obmijNOT ONCE
02:36.28obmijmaybe your fucking installation sucks balls
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02:36.33ghostdogPorts lags behind, drivers are a bitch at times, but 'eh
02:36.42simonrvnflash is what makes a desktop or not? o_O
02:36.44aoeuso "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/jre1.6.0_07/bin" is what i need?
02:36.46obmijwell yeah whenever ports lag behind I email the maintainer
02:36.54prolixyup
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02:37.03pgpkeyssimonrvn - pretty much seems to be
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02:37.09simonrvnaoeu: that's more sane yes
02:37.17obmijbut seriously, any dickhead knows flash (like it or not) has pretty much taken over the internet
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02:37.31obmijall people small/big/retarded/small are taken away by the shiney looks
02:37.41obmijs/small/smart
02:37.43prolixwait
02:37.50csilkwhy wouldi need flex to run pbuilder?
02:37.52csilk*would i
02:37.55aoeuya look at the instructions they give, they probably didn't even try them out themselves http://www.java.com/en/download/help/path.xml
02:38.04prolixyup
02:38.24obmijany website nowadays has two version, flash and non-flash, and they preffer you to use the flash version
02:38.40obmijit looks sweet, everyone loves it
02:38.47simonrvnany? riiight...
02:39.00obmijwell any giant
02:39.02obmij:P
02:39.11obmijmost companies, websites for games, movies etc.
02:39.28obmijall the good stuff :D
02:39.31pgpkeysnexr thing you know he'll be telling us desktops that that don't support silverlight suck too
02:39.31simonrvnoh, stuff that doesn't matter anyway
02:39.43obmijwell maybe not to you :)
02:39.46pgpkeysor silverfish. whatever that MS crap is
02:39.51simonrvncorporatism of the web
02:39.54prolixobmij's a guy?
02:39.59obmijok ok fine
02:39.59pgpkeysno clue
02:40.02obmijwhat about no ATI driver?
02:40.23obmijbesides, for albinoblacksheep and theonion you need flash
02:40.28obmijnot having flash for those two means
02:40.33obmijyou're missing out big time
02:40.39obmijthenion videos*
02:40.51obmijtheonion*
02:41.12obmijnot saying the OS sucks, but we current 3rd party support it ends up sucking
02:41.17obmijwith(
02:41.33simonrvnobmij: there are good uses of flash, but it's mostly used for crap that's just designed to get your attention and try to sell you something.
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02:41.44prolixi think i'll open my wireless connection so my neighbor can leech off of me.  it's friday night and she's vacuuming
02:41.47prolixi feel kind of bad
02:41.55simonrvnruns adblock plus ;)
02:41.59pgpkeysprolix - hehe good way to break that OCD :)
02:42.02obmijsimonrvn, but it's more than that. maybe I gave all the wrong examples.
02:42.07prolixpgpkeys: heh
02:42.29obmijsimonrvn, what about youtube? I love that site.
02:42.31pgpkeysmy roommate is the same way so I know your pain :) (or more accurately your's due to hers)
02:42.44boss302what branch would you guys recommend using. stable, testing or unstable?
02:42.54CutMeOwnThroatprolix, she's vaccuuming your wireless?
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02:43.07prolixCutMeOwnThroat: she is.  you should see how it's swelling from the suction
02:43.19simonrvnboss302: if you have to ask, stable
02:43.22pgpkeysI use testing but I always recommend stable to new users until they are in their comfort zone with debian
02:43.39CutMeOwnThroatI use Ubuntu
02:43.41CutMeOwnThroatducks
02:43.44boss302simonrvn, lol good point. well, this is a home machine
02:43.51simonrvnobmij: see that's where there's a constructive use of it.
02:43.52boss302so i'm  sorta thinking i can step up to testing
02:43.58CutMeOwnThroat.oO(and it's not even true)
02:44.08pgpkeysyou're lucky you ducked. I was going to take you up on your nick's suggestion
02:44.10obmijsimonrvn, and also albinoblacksheep and also theonion's videos
02:44.17obmijsimonrvn, love those as well
02:44.25obmijsimonrvn, all the fun shit on the internet
02:44.29obmijInternet rather
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02:44.39CutMeOwnThroatboss302, start with stable (or etch1/2) and only go to testing when you think you need a newer version of a certain software (or actually, more than one)
02:44.44simonrvnintarwebs
02:45.27pgpkeysor only go to testing when you know where each of your config files are, how to edit them, and how to install, uninstall, and reconfigure your installed packages
02:45.32simonrvnfuck, maybe i should've booted to the bsd instead of staying in virtualbox
02:45.34obmijhowever on my BSD box I do have Firefox win32 + Wine + Flash9 ... and it works fine... but a bit slower than native installation :/
02:45.41pgpkeysaka you are comfortabl with modifying your system
02:46.00DynamicPinksimonrvn, I fixed the problem by disabling compiz from loading in the session manager.
02:46.04simonrvnpgpkeys: nice one
02:46.16simonrvnDynamicPink: ah ha!
02:46.19simonrvnnice
02:46.38DynamicPinkThe lack of useful error messages didn't help.
02:46.53simonrvn~/.xsession-errors didn't help?
02:47.03DynamicPinkNot at all
02:47.10simonrvn:/
02:47.13DynamicPinkIt never mentioned compiz.
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02:47.36simonrvnoh yes... compiz you have to explictly enable error logging
02:47.42simonrvncitly*
02:47.56DynamicPinkIs that a setting in gnome or compiz?
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02:48.22simonrvncompiz; i cheat and use the compiz manager thingy
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02:48.51simonrvnccm i think is the binary name
02:48.52prolixconky with the transparent background is all i need
02:48.58DynamicPinkI long for the day when the ATi Xpress 1100 open source driver works flawlessly with Compiz
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02:49.48DynamicPinkI spent weeks trying to figure out that problem.
02:50.04prolixapplauds DynamicPink
02:50.22simonrvn\o/ for figuring out
02:50.34simonrvnit out*
02:50.43simonrvn!shoot my typist
02:50.43dpkgblows my typist away with a double-barreled shotgun
02:50.55DynamicPinkThanks again for the help. Have a good weekend everyone.
02:51.03simonrvnyou too
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02:52.41obmijoh btw
02:52.47obmijthe weekend's just around the corner
02:52.58obmijwhat's your plans folks? :)
02:53.04obmijwhat are*
02:53.41simonrvnthat information is private
02:53.51obmijthat's perfectly fine :o
02:54.07obmijI forgot to mention that question is posed for people who feel comfortable with sharing
02:54.13obmij:>
02:54.19simonrvnthe non-private stuff... dunno yet
02:54.32prolixaustralopithecus is on exhibit here for a few weeks starting
02:54.35prolixtomorrow!?
02:54.44prolixthat's what i'm doing
02:54.52obmijwhere are you?
02:55.01prolixseattle
02:55.04obmijahh nice
02:55.08simonrvnkidnapping the fossils and making a stuffed animal out of them?!
02:55.15prolixheh
02:55.18simonrvnyou're sick, man!
02:55.19obmij:D
02:55.31simonrvngiggles and runs away
02:56.06prolixobmij: where are you from?
02:56.22obmijway up north
02:56.26obmijToronto :)
02:56.35prolixcanada, eh?
02:56.39simonrvnthat's not north
02:56.51obmijwait to many it is :o
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02:57.40simonrvnwas born at 52 deg N
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02:57.59obmijgive both lattitude and longtitude :P
02:58.13simonrvn112W
02:58.19prolixvancouver?
02:58.25simonrvnno
02:58.37prolixecuador?
02:58.41simonrvn52, not 42 ;p
02:58.43obmijlol
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02:59.07simonrvnhmmm, someone sucks at geography ;p
02:59.14prolixhangs head
02:59.27simonrvns'ok, a lot of people do
02:59.59simonrvnargh
03:00.08simonrvnFINISH BUILDING ALREADY
03:00.46obmijwhatcha building? :D
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03:00.54obmijgimp 2.6? XD
03:00.55Dionixi need some help with evdev
03:01.05simonrvnbuilding my first freebsd kernel... done it on netbsd before
03:01.06Dionixthe eventX doesn't show in /proc/bus/input/devices
03:01.17obmijaww that sucks
03:01.19Dionixduno why
03:01.28obmijbuildworld buildkernel + installworld installkernel
03:01.39obmijshould've waited till 7.1-rel :P
03:02.24simonrvnyeh, i thought of waiting, but i was bored
03:02.25obmijany word on when lenny will be the next stale release?
03:02.36simonrvnesn
03:02.39simonrvnrsn*
03:03.38obmijrsn?
03:03.52simonrvn!rsn
03:03.52dpkgwell, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
03:04.05CutMeOwnThroathow hard is it to get everything to work properly with compiz, nowadays?
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03:04.21CutMeOwnThroat(just 'cause you were talking about it)
03:04.26simonrvnCutMeOwnThroat: not very
03:04.50CutMeOwnThroatwonders if it's worth a try
03:05.02obmijsimonrvn, so I'm guessing all packages (gimp xchat etc.) will be all at latest stable version? :P
03:05.12CutMeOwnThroatweren't there problems like you couldn't using anything that uses openGL anymore
03:06.28simonrvnwhatever's in lenny now, it's in freeze; plus mods for RC bugs, etc.
03:06.49obmijoh so it's probably for after the release
03:07.00obmijeh? :P
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03:09.10techqbertwhat is the standard system.  can anybody issue aptitude search '~pstandard' and pastebin it?
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03:10.23Dionixsighs
03:10.27Dionixi'm really at a loss
03:10.33obmijanyway I'm out for the night
03:10.35Dionixgoogle is no help
03:10.39obmijhave a great weekend folks
03:10.50simonrvnyou too
03:11.31Dionixi have no idea why every tutorial i read just assumes that when you do "less /proc/bus/input/devices" that everything will automagically have an eventX indentifier
03:11.48Dionixbecause mine certainly does not and i can't find any help as how to make it do so
03:12.45simonrvnthey usually do
03:13.02Dionixyeah, thats what i've gathered
03:13.15simonrvnthat's why... i haven't had to fuck with evdev much for that reason.
03:13.35Dionixi updated my kernel version
03:13.42Dionixand looked through that when recompiling
03:13.50Dionixto see if i missed anything dealing with evdev
03:13.54Dionixand it didn't seem like it
03:13.58simonrvnnow on the other hand, in the old/early 2.6 kernels, it was a different story ;).
03:14.00Dionixbut thats my only idea
03:14.15Dionixi switched from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 today
03:14.23simonrvnyeh, i'd keep looking there
03:14.23phorce1Dionix: so there's no "H:" line or the "H:" line is there with no eventx on it?
03:14.24Dionixand evdev didn't work on either
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03:14.32Dionixthere is an H: line
03:14.39Dionixbut just like "kbd"
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03:15.05DionixH: Handlers=kbd
03:15.24Dionixi'm trying to go multiseat
03:15.32Dionixand in my xorg.conf right now i have
03:15.38phorce1Dionix: Mine has eventx and (uname -r == 2.6.26-1-686)
03:15.53Dionix<PROTECTED>
03:16.04Dionixbut it doesn't like that
03:16.19Dionixsays no device specifed
03:16.23Dionixand preinit failed
03:16.33simonrvnN: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"   H: Handlers=kbd event0
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03:16.37simonrvn;p
03:16.41simonrvnps/2 kbd
03:16.47Dionixyeah
03:16.51Dionixi've got a ps2 and usb
03:16.55Dionixneither one shows event
03:17.11Dionixi've been messing with this all week
03:17.18simonrvnhow weird. check your bios? the cables?
03:17.25Dionixi'm using the keyboard now...
03:17.32Dionixboth of them
03:17.41phorce1Dionix: what do they say on the sysfs line?
03:17.42Dionixi just can't specify the device in xorg.conf
03:17.49simonrvnbut doesn't show up in input/devices ?
03:18.42DionixN: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
03:18.43DionixP: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0
03:18.45DionixS: Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input2
03:18.56Dionixi just got sysfs after updating kernel
03:19.23Dionixbefore that wasn't there, so i haven't tried putting anything in xorg.conf using sysfs
03:19.26Dionixi duno how
03:19.58phorce1Dionix: all I wanted was the sysfs for each one. What your H: line should read for THAT keyboard is H: Handlers=kbd event2
03:20.02simonrvni believe all you need in xorg.conf is to specify evdev as driver
03:20.06phorce1Dionix: inputx == eventx
03:20.16Dionixso
03:20.20Dionixdo you think i could fake it?
03:20.28Dionixcan call it event2 in the xorg.conf?
03:20.28phorce1Dionix: maybe
03:20.37Dionixhmmmmm
03:20.46phorce1Dionix: also try the suggestion from simonrvn
03:21.04Dionixi did simonrvn
03:21.12simonrvnok
03:21.13Dionixand actually they act funny
03:21.18Dionixup arrows don't work
03:21.33simonrvnyeh, it's kinda new still
03:21.51Dionixwell i lied
03:21.57Dionixevdev didn't work as driver
03:22.05Dionixi had to change it back to kbd
03:22.15Dionixi got no input from keyboards with evdev
03:22.27Dionixbut i still have the layout as evdev so thats probably why the arrows are wierd
03:22.41simonrvni think it's more used with the mouse anyway
03:22.44Dionixneed to switch it back to 105 or whatever
03:22.51Dionixwell thing is the mice are fine
03:23.00Dionixi can isolate them easily
03:23.07Dionixits only the keyboards that i can't
03:23.17simonrvnpc105 + kbd
03:23.22Dionixusb mouse is /dev/input/mouse0
03:23.30Dionixand ps is 1
03:23.40Dionixbut theres no /dev stuff for the kbds
03:23.44Dionix*shrugs*
03:23.44simonrvnthat's fine
03:23.55simonrvnthere isn't
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03:26.40phorce1is going to play my James Brown/Barry White/Simpsons version of NeverPutt for a while.
03:27.16simonrvnweee
03:27.34phorce1simonrvn: new sounds make for a whole new game. ;-)
03:27.49simonrvn:D
03:27.56simonrvngood choice ;)
03:33.59path__anyone using e1000 module ?
03:34.10path__I'm thinking going back 2.6.18
03:34.19path__http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382
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03:34.46dmoernerthat is relevant to e1000e and possibly the e100, not the e1000, as far as i know
03:34.49path__I saw a weird message on the kernel loading once, now I can see it was interesting :)
03:35.11path__dmoerner I'm using e1000 and saw a weird message
03:35.25path__like the one described there
03:36.34techqbertwhat is the standard system.  can anybody issue aptitude search '~pstandard' and pastebin it?
03:37.13simonrvntechqbert: ugh. are you serious? and why can't you look this up on the packages site?
03:39.04simonrvn1pdo
03:39.07simonrvn!pdo
03:39.07dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
03:40.31path__check out this dmoerner
03:40.31path__[    9.375347] e1000: 0000:02:00.0: e1000_probe: The EEPROM Checksum Is Not Valid
03:40.32path__[    9.385412] e1000: 0000:02:00.0: e1000_probe: Invalid MAC Address
03:40.34path__[    9.385752] e1000: 0000:02:00.0: e1000_probe: (PCI Express:2.5Gb/s:Width x1) 00:00:00:00:00:00
03:40.36path__interesting stuff
03:40.38path__:D
03:41.16dmoernerugh...well good luck with that
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03:41.30simonrvnugh
03:41.36simonrvn!tell path__ -about paste
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03:43.25phorce1path_: http://paste.debian.net/18488/ working OK here with no odd messages
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03:44.27path_phorce1, thanks for the link I've just found this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_e1000:_EEPROM_Checksum_Is_Not_Valid
03:44.30phorce1(of course I have a dual port gigabit card plugged into a 32 bit PCI slot so only one of those is actually being used)
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03:44.56path_I related both bugs but they are completely different :)
03:46.22carthikHi, I installed the gnome-desktop-environment and update-initramfs failed since there is not enough space left on /boot. I cannot resize /boot (this is a brand new machine, and as yet I cannot re-install the OS). How can I get apt/dpkg to move on, or find out what made the update-initramfs necessary, so perhaps I could uninstall that
03:47.26techqbertsimonrvn: didn't know there was a packages site.  o;
03:47.41drwahli installed lenny via net-install on my laptop. booted up, everything was fine (as far as i could tell). i needed to do something to xorg, so i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, and my screen goes blank. same for Ctrl+Alt+F2 through F6.  X works find (kde/kdm) and i even have 3d acceleration.  any ideas why i lose my video when i go to console?
03:47.44simonrvnnow you do :)
03:47.49techqbertgoogle hasn't been to illuminative either
03:48.45karlpinccarthik : If you've got multiple kernels installed you could "aptitude purge" older ones to make room.
03:49.07phorce1drwahl: video not switching out of graphics mode for some reason. Try loggin in "blind" then typing 'reset'
03:49.19techqbertI gather debian doesn't have wgetpaste like gentoo. " wgetpaste aptitude search '~pstandard' " would accomplish this at the CLI
03:49.35drwahlphorce1: i assume it will need root?
03:49.43phorce1drwahl: no
03:50.06drwahlphorce1: alright, i'll give that a shot
03:50.06phorce1drwahl: the 'reset command just resets the tty
03:50.15simonrvntechqbert: it does, dunno if it's in etch
03:50.17dmoernertechqbert: i think you could just do a aptitude search ~pstandard | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234, if i remember the sequence correctly
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03:50.45phorce1drwahl: if that required root then Joe User would be screwed after s/he "cat"ed a binary to the terminal
03:50.46techqbertdmoerner: ah. cool.
03:51.06drwahl_lol, k
03:51.20carthikkarlpinc: thank you, but I have tried moving everything but the one initrd.img that update-initramfs wants to update, and still no good. That one initrd.img is 45M and /boot is only 92M in size.
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03:51.56drwahl_phorce1: hmm... reset doesnt seem to help
03:52.43karlpinccarthik : You could run update-initramfs yourself with the -b option to store the result elsewhere, then copy it to /boot.
03:53.03drwahl_i know that the console is working, becuase i can 'blindly' kill and restart kdm (i tried to modify my xorg.conf, so i had to do that ealier), but reset doesnt seem to bring up any video
03:53.22phorce1drwahl_: Then I have no idea. does 'pa ax|grep tty" show several /sbin/getty entries?
03:53.26carthikkarlpinc: ah, coolness. So how would dpkg know that the update-initramfs has been done - or does it know automatically?
03:53.42dmoernercarthik: triggers were implmented in 1.4.21 i think
03:53.55dmoerner1.14.21 that is
03:54.25drwahl_phorce1: i assume you mean 'ps ax | grep tty' ,which returns someting like 6 or 7 results
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03:54.31dmoerneractually it was 1.14.17 but that's beside the point
03:54.34carthikdmoerner: so that means I can manually run update-initramfs, and move in the initrd.img and then run "dpkg --configure -a" to fix the issue?
03:55.09karlpinccarthik : I dunno enough about apt to answer.  There may be a way to tell it to not run the post-install or trigger or whatever it is that dpkg is doing.
03:55.26phorce1drwahl_: 's' 'a' --- close enough that Debisn should auto-correct, right?
03:55.31dmoernercarthik: that should be sufficient
03:55.32drwahl_lol, ya
03:55.43phorce1drwahl_: I figured it would since you say you can use the tty blind
03:55.46karlpinccarthik : In the end you could ar the .deb and do the install "manually". :-P
03:56.12drwahl_googling it doesnt return much either, its kinda a hard thing to google for
03:56.37carthikkarlpinc: problem is, it was a metapackage I installed, so dont know which one is bugging me :) dmoerner - I am off to try it out. Thanks to the both of you. Hopefully you won't hear from me again. Cheers.
03:56.44phorce1drwahl_: I am at a loss though. Unless the laptop is fully in framebuffer mode and the kernel isn't built to use fb for tty
03:57.05karlpinccarthik : keep backups!
03:57.39carthikkarlpinc: for sure, I have the entire system backed up before I started mucking around.
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03:57.50drwahl_phorce1: i'm not sure how i would find that info, but if it helps, its an nvidia 9800 card running sid and using http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh to install the driver
03:58.09jaggz1I just restarted my system and it came up with gnome instead of my normal KDE.
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03:58.45dmoernerdrwahl_: nvidia drivers are known to cause that specific problem. using the (likely) illegal kanotix hack is probably not going to help the problem
03:58.56CutMeOwnThroatjaggz1, it wants you to switch :)
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03:59.10jaggz1I was going to get an nvidia card.. is it a problem?
03:59.31drwahl_jaggz1: no video on console (Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6)
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04:00.44jetscreameryou stillhaven't fixed that?
04:00.54drwahlnope
04:01.07drwahlupgraded to sid hopething that might fix something, but still no luck
04:01.11jetscreamerworks fine here... but you're the 64-bitter
04:01.16drwahlindeed
04:01.17CutMeOwnThroatso how would I set the FQN of my machine
04:01.32CutMeOwnThroatscratches head
04:01.48jetscreamer/etc/hostname or so... i forget
04:01.52jetscreamer!fqdn
04:01.52dpkgrumour has it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org'
04:01.57jetscreamergah
04:02.12jetscreameroh you said fqn... nm :)
04:02.27jetscreameror resolv.conf
04:02.30jetscreameri forget
04:02.32CutMeOwnThroatjetscreamer, no, that's what I meant, forgot one char
04:02.36drwahl/etc/resolv.conf will set your search domain, and /etc/hostname will set your name
04:02.36karlpincCutMeOwnThroat : As far as I can tell , you don't.  /etc/hostname is not qualified.  /etc/mailname is fully qualified, but only used for mail.  /etc/resolv.conv sets search suffixes for domains, so you don't have to type them fully qualified.
04:02.39jetscreamerknows
04:02.39CutMeOwnThroatjetscreamer, I also forgot :)
04:02.57CutMeOwnThroatkarlpinc, mailname!
04:03.20CutMeOwnThroatdoh! that's not it(?)
04:03.21jetscreamerit's under /etc somewhere, if not /etc/network .. this much at least i do know... and have done it
04:03.34jetscreamerno it's the machine, but the mail requires an fqdn
04:03.52carthikdmoerner: I ran update-initramfs and did my work in another directory, then copied the new initrd.img to /boot. Now I run dpkg --configure -a and it still tries to build what I built and errors out. Any clues fo rme?
04:03.53jetscreamerfor your box
04:04.10CutMeOwnThroatjetscreamer, I think it's correct - you don't set it, so I withdraw the question
04:04.13karlpincjetscreamer : I think what's in /etc/network only sets your search domain(s).
04:04.30jetscreamerah
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04:04.43jetscreamerno.. dang. i forget
04:04.50jetscreamercan't look atm
04:04.55CutMeOwnThroatI used mail -v some@address and that fails - because it's giving ... EHLO $HOSTNAME
04:04.56jetscreamergoes and looks anyway.. brb
04:04.57drwahlyou can't set your FQDN, the FQ part means that there is a name server somewhere else that is qualifying it. you can set your domain and your hostname, which make a domain name, but the name server will qualify it
04:05.30carthikkarlpinc: building it elsewhere and moving it into /boot still gives me the same issue with dpkg - any clues on how I can make dpkg realize that the work of running update-initramfs is already done by me?
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04:05.36karlpinccarthik : The man page says --configure -a runs the post-inst script.  You could read the script and do what needs doing yourself.  Then, vola!  You're configured.  (I think.)
04:05.38CutMeOwnThroata dyndns-address qualifies it
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04:05.48ALoGeNohi
04:05.51CutMeOwnThroathmmm.. possibly not for mail, though
04:06.03karlpinccarthik : Sounds like something in the apt db needs frobbing.
04:06.22CutMeOwnThroatoh, well, guess that satisfies my curiosity - it's NOT trivially simple to send mail from my desktop :)
04:06.38CutMeOwnThroat(using the bogus user@localhost address)
04:06.40carthikkarlpinc: problem is, I don't know which package is triggering this update-initramfs request. It was a metapackage I installed, and don't know which one is erring.
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04:06.44ALoGeNoany way for run automatically fsck when the system is wrong?
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04:07.02dmoernerwhat does "wrong" mean
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04:07.39ALoGeNobad unmounted or with hang, puting some moudles..
04:07.41karlpincALoGeNo : touch /etc/forcefsck    -- see /etc/rcS.d/S30*  (iirc)
04:07.46dmoerneryou can touch /forcefsck, or shutdown -F, or change FSCKFACE to yes in /etc/default/rcS if you want to force one
04:08.03dmoerners/FSCKFACE/FSCKFIX don't know where that came from
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04:08.14karlpincdmoerner : (Where is that documented?  I couldn't find it.)
04:08.31simonrvnman shutdown
04:08.36dmoernerman 5 rcS
04:08.41ALoGeNotnx friends :)
04:08.50simonrvnwell nyah
04:08.54simonrvn:P
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04:09.01simonrvndmoerner: :D
04:09.03_ZeuZ_Hey guys, I'm having a problem... I'm using htb-gen to generate the traffic rules, and it was working fine until last night when I finally setup SQUID, now the traffic rules are created, are visible, and the traffic is also marked with iptables, but queues are behing ignored... any idea what can be happening?
04:09.33karlpincALoGeNo : Duh.. I'm wrong.  not /etc/forcefsck just /forcefsck.
04:09.52ALoGeNook ill try thank you
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04:12.37NeoIcewhat kind of processor load does iptables use?
04:12.53ALoGeNodmoerner [ "$FSCKFIX" ] || FSCKFIX=no
04:13.00ALoGeNohehe
04:13.12ArtVandalaeNeoIce, that would depend on how much traffic you're receiving, but I can't imagine it using much
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04:14.20NeoIceartvandalae: I'm mostly concerned about all the random scan garbage because if I move my server outside the corp. firewall, I'm gonna have to run iptables for EVERYTHING
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04:14.49ALoGeNodmoerner /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh there is
04:14.54ALoGeNothank you
04:15.10ArtVandalaeNeoIce, what kind of a processor/ram are you running, and what sort of traffic do you get?
04:16.28NeoIceartvandalae: 866MhHz Xeon, 768MB. its mostly personal use, but I assume there's a lot of garbage smashing against the router firewall currently
04:16.43karlpincNeoIce : Unless you're logging all the dropped packets, setting up default deny and refusing everything you don't want does not load a system.  You can get away with a 300MHz 586 and have almost no load.
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04:20.39wolsNeoIce: no load. also why do you need a firewall?
04:20.51drwahlwhen i try to run 'glxgears', i get the error
04:20.54drwahl..
04:20.56drwahlone sec
04:21.09drwahlError: glXCreateContext failed
04:21.19wolsdrwahl: glxinfo
04:21.39drwahli get a full table of junk, but before the table, i get the same error
04:21.55wolsdrwahl: what videochip, what drivers?
04:22.01NeoIcewols: why dont I need a firewall?
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04:22.14wolsNeoIce: cause you don't. is there any good reason you have you need one?
04:22.53wolsNeoIce: ports where nothing is listening don't need a firewall. and the stuff you do listen on cause you provide the service (ssh, web, etc) you can't firewall anyways. so why a firewall?
04:23.19NeoIcewols: that was kind of what I thought, but if  the network engineer wants me firewalled, I was  gonna do it
04:23.46wolsNeoIce: you can't run a firewall on the ysystem you protect anyways. that's nonsensical
04:24.39Dionixwell i figured out evdev
04:24.57Dionixyou were right phorce1
04:24.59phorce1wols: Well all the Windows boxes do it so it MUST be right (ZoneAlarm etc) ;-D
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04:25.09wolsphorce1: exactly
04:25.11Dionixi needed to recompile kernel
04:25.13wolsdrwahl: can you answer?
04:25.27Dionixi did make xconfig and searched for evdev and found i didn't have it in
04:25.37Dionixi usually use menconfig, but x has that search thing
04:26.05wolsDionix: so does grep <OPTION> /boot/config-x.x.x :P
04:26.14karlpincwols : Not entirely.  If you also block outbound traffic, except that you explicity need, you can prevent a cracked account sending arbitrary communications, which might lead to further cracking of the system.  There was once interlinked dns/ftp bugs that, if both were exploited lead to a fully cracked system but only a partially cracked system if outbound ftp was blocked.
04:26.22Dionix<PROTECTED>
04:26.23Dionix<PROTECTED>
04:26.25Dionix<PROTECTED>
04:26.30Dionixerr
04:26.34Dionixoops
04:26.45Dionixsorry
04:26.57wolskarlpinc: if you have malware on the system, you already failed
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04:27.19CutMeOwnThroatwols, which doesn't mean you have to spread the misery as fast as you can
04:27.47CutMeOwnThroatit makes a LOT of sense for windows machines with all their outlook or IE worms
04:27.50_ZeuZ_CutMeOwnThroat, unless you're fsking evil
04:27.57phorce1Dionix: it was simonrvn tha said to try using evdev in X. But I guess without evdev you WOULDN'T have an 'eventX' in your devices list would you.
04:27.58karlpincwols : There's a difference between a cracked user account and a cracked root.
04:28.34drwahlwols, its an nvidia 9800
04:28.48drwahlsorry, i had to deal with a bad kitty
04:29.09karlpincwols : Anyway, the point is, paranoia can pay off.  It's mostly not worth it though.  Your point is correct, a lone box usually need not firewall itself.
04:29.41wolsdrwahl: and what driver exactly? incl. version
04:30.10wolsdrwahl: dpkg -l |grep nvidia
04:30.33drwahlwols: not the open source driver, the one from their website
04:30.42drwahllemme grab the exact version
04:30.47wolsdrwahl: debian packages?
04:30.53wolsor the .run installer?
04:31.01drwahlthe .run installer
04:31.08wolsdrwahl: unsupported here. ask #nvidia
04:31.20wolsdrwahl: probably broke your package management
04:31.55wolssome debian file overwrote the nvidia file(s). happens all the time. this is why you shouldn't use the .run installer
04:31.56drwahlah, ok. i'm thinking at this point i may just reinstall all together. its mainly a test platform, so blowing away my install will be fine
04:32.52drwahldoes the open source nvidia driver had 3d support yet?
04:33.23_ZeuZ_noop
04:33.24wolsno
04:33.31drwahlshucks
04:33.45wolsbut debian has the closed source nvidia drivers too, in non-free
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04:34.07wols!tell drwahl about nvidia_lenny
04:34.12drwahlhow often is that updated? what is the package based off of?
04:34.30wolsdrwahl: look for yourself
04:34.54drwahlwill do
04:34.57drwahlthanks for the info
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04:35.20phorce1usually just grabs the debs straight from the pool for the most current kernel
04:35.21acuI am running Lenny and Kopete 0.12.7 and there is no sound - can anyone help ?
04:35.37phorce1drwahl: did you see my /msg?
04:35.44drwahlphorce1: just did
04:35.53drwahlnot sure what it means :)
04:35.55wols!soundtest
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04:37.14acuwols - were you talking to me about the soundtest ?
04:37.21prolixaptitude soundtest
04:37.33wols!alsa checklist
04:37.34dpkg1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
04:38.21jaggz1no text display on console??
04:38.26jaggz1(drwahl's problem)
04:38.41acuwols:  the sound works on all other applications - including Ekiga
04:38.58acushould I go trough the procedure - wols
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04:39.09wolsthen kopete uses the wrong output plugin. tho if it works on other kde apps, so should kopete
04:39.28jaggz1so why did my X change to gnome from my normal KDE?  could it be .Xdefaults?  I didn't used to have one and I added one last week (before the restart)
04:40.00wolsjaggz1: you installed gnome?
04:40.14carthikkarlpinc: dmoerner: I got it to work by editing the right postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to not do the update-initramfs. Thanks much for your help. May your tribe increase! :-)
04:40.16jaggz1oh, maybe something installed it
04:40.47wolscarthik: not good. look into /etc/kernel-img.conf
04:41.16Dionixphorce1: ah yes i suppose you were right
04:41.32Dionixhehe
04:41.41wolscarthik: there you can disable automatic initrd creation
04:41.42phorce1wols: he did the update-initramfs manually because of low disk space
04:41.42carthikwols, I did the update-initramfs manually and all... stupid vendor installed the system with 60Megs for /boot on a system with 4 terabytes of HDD space... what can I say! /sigh
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04:42.09GiganticHi, anyone know sometthing I can use to reccord my desktop?
04:42.23GiganticI tried reccordmydesktop  but is too heavey
04:42.24wolsphorce1: yes and to disable debconf doing ithe should do what I just said
04:42.27Gigantic*heavy
04:42.31wolsGigantic: istanbul
04:42.38GiganticDanke
04:42.44carthikGigantic: search for my blog entry on the same. Google for ubuntu blog screencast
04:42.51jaggz1oh, gnome was installed when I installed an ide thing (anjuta) ..
04:43.03carthikI wonder if it still works, but worth a try, Gigantic....
04:43.28phorce1wols: But by changing the postinst for this round it'll go back to auto-create next time he updates the kernel, right?
04:43.28Gigantic:D ty
04:43.48phorce1wols: (without him having to remember to fix the .conf file)
04:43.57jaggz1What's the python variable for the auto-installed or manually-selected flag of a package?     print "%s %35s %s" % (installtimestr, package.Name, package.CurrentVer.VerStr)
04:44.07wolsphorce1: yes. which will fail again since it lacks diskspace :)
04:44.36wolsjaggz1: context? package handling is done in perl
04:45.13phorce1wols: But if it needs a new initramfs for the new kernel he'll see it fail again, build manually again, and change postinst again. Better than not having one built when it beeds it.
04:45.24jaggz1not sure.. I have this script pkgtimes[.py] which displays all packages and their times.. so I can do pkgtimes | sort -n to see those which were installed together
04:45.54wolsjaggz1: we don't even know what script or anything
04:45.56jaggz1cache = apt_pkg.GetCache()                   packages = cache.Packages                   for package in packages:       if package.CurrentState==6:
04:46.10wolsjaggz1: and if you want to change the script, learn python
04:46.16carthikwols, btw, the /etc/kernel-img.conf does not have an option to disable updating the initrd.img, only to disable warnings when a new initrd.img is placed in /boot afaisee
04:46.34jaggz1scripting is nothing.. I just need the variable name.
04:46.39wolscarthik: wrong. do_initrd = yes
04:46.46jaggz1so I can print it.. it might be a CurrentState flag
04:46.58wolsjaggz1: we don't know what api you reference. your queastion as it stands is crap. useless gibberish
04:47.11wolsjaggz1: read the script then. it's all source
04:47.14jaggz1I see... import apt_pkg
04:47.28wolsthen check the apt_pkg source
04:47.36carthikwols, precisely, that "set to yes to precent the kernel-image post inst script from -issuing a warning when installing an initrd kernel- ...."
04:47.50jaggz1it's okay, if you don't know it it's fine.  I can't read /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt_pkg.so  :)
04:47.52carthikwols, that says, i meant to say
04:47.57jaggz1no problem.. I just need to get back to kde for now I guess
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04:50.15carthiklater folks, chill out, and thanks for all the help :)
04:52.48jaggz1okay.. well I don't want to remove gnome right now, but I'd like to go back to KDE for my wm
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04:56.21jaggz1let's see if that worked.. brb
04:56.24AdrianLPSomeone once said to not use testing because it doesn't get security patches, yet testing is a close-to release candidate right (theoretically more stable than unstable)?
04:57.16wolsAdrianLP: there is a testing security repo
04:57.26wolsjust no guarantee it gets patches
04:58.38AdrianLPIs there a simple solution (short of installing from source) for someone who wants a stable base OS, but the latest packages for a set of user apps (instant messengers, browsers, openoffice products, etc)?
04:58.52wolsbackports
04:58.53wols!backports
04:58.54dpkgi heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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05:01.23AdrianLPPerhaps its wise to use a stable release, then backports for the few user apps one wants to be bleeding edge?
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05:11.31acuhey guys do you know any webcam and audio capturing progam - lucview captures only video and xawtv can show the camera but cannot capture
05:11.49psywhy does apt-get install firefox installs me some old version of iceweasel ?
05:12.00ceil420are you on Etch?
05:12.05ceil420(@psy)
05:12.11psyyes
05:12.15ceil420that's why
05:12.24ceil420packages have been frozen for like, ever
05:12.39ceil420compile from source or backport from Lenny/Sid
05:13.08psyis lenny newer?
05:13.39ceil420yeah
05:13.42psyo crap
05:13.54psyso why did the website give me this etch iso
05:13.54psy?
05:14.00ceil420Etch is old (stable), Lenny is newish ('testing'), and Sid is bleeding edge ('unstable')
05:14.16ceil420because the website defaults to the Stable version, which is Etch
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05:14.34ransackhow do i turn my xbox into a dvr
05:14.37ceil420Lenny's not entirely stable (yet)
05:14.43ceil420and Sid obviously isn't
05:14.53ceil420ransack, i think you're in the wrong channel...
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05:15.42prolix!sns syndrome
05:15.42dpkgsns syndrome is probably a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
05:16.11psyceil420, will i get rid of this problem if i install lenny?
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05:16.49ceil420yeah, but seeing as Lenny isn't classified as 'Stable', you may run into different problems
05:17.01ceil420(but the packages will be newer)
05:17.33prolixisn't iceweasel the same as firefox, just with a different name/logo due to some kind of spat between the debian people and the mozilla people?
05:17.46ceil420yeah
05:18.46psyit kinda sux
05:18.53amphi!why iceweasel
05:18.53dpkgDue to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.
05:19.07ceil420why's it suck?
05:19.16psydunno
05:19.18ceil420personally, i prefer the Iceweasel logo to the Firefox one
05:19.25ceil420other than that, there's not a whole lot of difference
05:19.49AdrianLPI've tried several Canadian mirrors, US, and even kernel.org, I get the same, "webpage not available" error on them all (ie:  http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso).  I suppose its new, and the bandwidth is oversaturated?
05:19.59psyok thanks ceil420 now i know what to do
05:20.00psybb
05:20.05ceil420hf
05:21.03xerophyte1is there anyway to extend LVM snapshot ?
05:22.01prolixAdrianLP: do you use a bittorrent client?
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05:23.01AdrianLPprolix, I should try I suppose.  I wonder why the HTTP and FTP mirrors are returning this error.  The latest release isn't *that* new that everyone is downloading is it?
05:23.40AdrianLPprolix, Only trouble is I'm on Rogers, and they throttle torrent downloads as bad as Cogeco.
05:24.12prolixAdrianLP: i don't know if you're trying to access a debian repository with that address or if it's a functional web server, but with a torrent, there is a better chance of receiving a flawless copy of the .iso  eventhough http is ok, too
05:25.19AdrianLPprolix, I've tried 8 or 9 mirrors linked from http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, I can get into the current/ folder, but when clicking on the link for disk 1, I get the "not available" error for disk 1 on every mirror I try.
05:25.38AdrianLPTorrent is coming down at 388KB though, not too bad I guess.
05:25.51prolixAdrianLP: not too bad at all
05:26.50AdrianLPheh, spoke to soon, its down too 9.8KB/s
05:27.08AdrianLPAlways happens to me with torrents (on either my cogeco or rogers cable connection)
05:27.10acuhey guys - I am trying make Kopete have sound -  strangely the webcam works fine but no sound - sound works fine in other applications
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05:30.27prolixAdrianLP: well, if speed is a concern, there's always the portforwarding option, but it does present a slight risk, but then again, so does plugging into the internet.
05:30.46prolixa whole lot of but in that sentence
05:31.03SerajewelKSwhat should i do if somebody is distributing a derivative work of my GPL app without the sources?
05:31.42hoxuSerajewelKS, you might want to contact gpl-violations.org, they may be able to help you
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05:31.56hoxuSerajewelKS, first thing to do is to contact the offender though, and point out their mistake
05:32.03AdrianLPprolix, I'm using UPnP
05:32.27prolixuniversal plug n play?
05:32.30SerajewelKShoxu: yeah, i tried that, four days with no response
05:32.37AdrianLPprolix, On the router, yes.
05:32.38ghostdogSerajewelKS: take a minute to masturbate
05:32.49ghostdogReal men use the BSD license.
05:32.51prolixAdrianLP: do you have a particular reason for using that?
05:33.21hoxuSerajewelKS, you might want to try the mailing lists
05:33.23AdrianLPprolix, Saves me from forwarding ports from all my various unsolicited connections (torrents, games, etc)...?
05:33.31hoxu!penixstrike ghostdog
05:33.31dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ghostdog to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
05:34.03ghostdogI am invincible.
05:34.05liableSerajewelKS: fire a mail to the fsf. pretty sure they have docs mentioning how to go about this kind of thing
05:34.43AdrianLPWoot, 583KB/s down, now we're moving.
05:35.09prolixAdrianLP: well, i'm not one to persuade people, so if it makes you happy, then right on, but i, personally, don't use it.
05:35.11ceil420lol
05:35.56AdrianLPprolix, Why not?
05:35.57prolixwell, for bait, but that's different
05:37.17AdrianLPprolix, The router will only open ports requested by local clients anyway right?  Is the fear not knowing what clients might be runnig?  This is a single user system (my own desktop).
05:37.59prolixsure, why not.
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05:42.52prolixdammit
05:43.38prolixAdrianLP: no, that's not necessarily true.  the applications on the local machine can be tricked into thinking that there is an appropriate service trying to gain access to a specific port and requesting that port be forwarded by the local application
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05:45.34CutMeOwnThroatthink it was discussed not so long ago in here, but I forgot - is there a way to measure the amount of traffic a process uses over a longer period of time?
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05:48.57SerajewelKSthis asshole doesn't even credit me
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05:49.02SerajewelKSi don't think he's interested in GPL compliance
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05:50.07zinxSerajewelKS: which GPL'd app?
05:50.18SerajewelKSzinx: sf.net/projects/ytoics
05:50.36SerajewelKSzinx: he's distributing a derivative work of that as only an activeperl-compiled binary
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05:51.02zinxSerajewelKS: wow
05:51.30SerajewelKSand has removed all credit to me
05:51.35SerajewelKShe's not the first person to do so
05:52.19SerajewelKSthis program has some shady uses, such as seating a computer chess engine in your seat (most FICS clients support this), so my project has become popular in the yahoo underground, and with it i've become an unwitting "cool yahoo hacker dude"
05:52.47SerajewelKSand cool yahoo hacker dudes don't much like each other it seems, and like ripping off each other's shit
05:53.23SerajewelKSi don't give a damn about being a cool hacker dude but quite a few illegitimate forks have sent people's passwords off to who knows where
05:53.30SerajewelKSGPL offers at least some protection against that
05:53.39zinxSerajewelKS: try emailing license-violation@gpl-violations.org
05:53.51zinxwith as many details as humanly possible
05:54.12SerajewelKSzinx: i just emailed the legal gpl-violations.org list
05:54.36SerajewelKSthey didn't seem to provide that address you just gave me anywhere on their site, not easily findable anyway
05:54.53SerajewelKSodd that a site dealing with gpl violations doesn't have any obvious "report them to this address" link
05:55.54zinxSerajewelKS: it's on http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html , under "What can I do if I encounter a GPL violation?"
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05:56.15zinxSerajewelKS: and i will admit that it was not terribly easy to find.
05:56.30SerajewelKSzinx: mmk, will do
05:58.01prolixSerajewelKS: so you wrote yics?
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05:59.14n-iCe!shockwave
05:59.14dpkgMacromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash
05:59.16prolixpardon
05:59.19prolixsits down
05:59.21n-iCe:o
05:59.32n-iCe!flash
05:59.32dpkgmethinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser.  Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.  Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
06:00.03enoufn-iCe: what are you looking for? query the bot in pm
06:00.59n-iCeI want to play games, that use shockwave, just can't make it work!
06:01.06n-iCeany idea? using debian lenny iceweasel
06:01.10enoufjudd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
06:01.12juddenouf: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib)
06:01.40n-iCewas that for me?
06:01.41enouf!tell n-iCe about flashplugin-nonfree
06:01.47SerajewelKSprolix: yes, there is one other developer who worked on windows compatibility for yics
06:01.56SerajewelKSprolix: i am the sole author of the perl predecessor, though
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06:02.37SerajewelKSn-iCe: you cannot play shockwave games on linux.  you can play flash games though.
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06:03.17enoufSerajewelKS: why not?
06:03.32SerajewelKSenouf: because adobe has not released a linux version
06:03.41enoufSerajewelKS: how about WINE?
06:03.47n-iCethanks SerajewelKS
06:04.13SerajewelKSenouf: well if personal experience is any indication, you still can't play shockwave games on linux :)
06:04.44enoufSerajewelKS: ok - i think all that crap sucks ass anyway ;-)
06:04.58SerajewelKSright now my only use for wine is world of warcraft
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06:05.15SerajewelKSif i need to run windows stuff, i use a VM
06:05.41enoufSerajewelKS: it's just, it would seem to be nothing more than what Java shit does - or any other ActiveX object for that matter
06:06.22SerajewelKSeverything's simple if you break it down enough in your head
06:06.28SerajewelKSdoesn't mean wine will run it
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06:06.48SerajewelKSwine still has a few issues with team fortress 2
06:06.55SerajewelKSnot that that's anywhere near as simple as shockwave
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06:07.02prolix_i see now
06:07.11prolix_that i wasted my breath
06:07.18SerajewelKShmm?
06:07.28prolix_karma is real and proof is for liquors
06:07.48SerajewelKSprolix: you drunk or something?
06:07.54SerajewelKSs/x/x_/
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06:09.26enoufprolix_: right, breathing is for mammals, not stinkin rotten fish that "jump"
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06:10.50prolix_enouf: you don't play much chess, do you?
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06:11.45enoufprolix_: you don't wander far outside the bubble, do you?
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06:12.11prolix_yeah, i didn't think so
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06:19.06SerajewelKSis confused
06:19.46prolix_SerajewelKS: it's nothing, don't worry about it
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06:29.39mindeqhi all, is ia64 64 bit system ?
06:29.56mindeqfor intel cpu
06:29.57mindeq?
06:30.48valdynmindeq: yes, but it is not what you want
06:31.07valdyn!amd64
06:31.07dpkgit has been said that amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64.  Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64.  The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel.  core2duo machines are amd64.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
06:31.15mindeqbut i need 64 bit system becaue i want to use more then 3.2 gb of ram..
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06:31.49mindeqok i have core 2 quad .. so i need amd64 ?
06:31.56valdynmindeq: yes
06:31.58mindeqok thx
06:32.08prolix!bigmem
06:32.08dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
06:32.14valdyn!itanium
06:32.14dpkgitanium is, like, intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware
06:32.27mindeqm
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06:33.24mindeqso i don't need to install 64 bit system in case i want to use 6 gb or ram ? or am i not right ?
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06:33.34valdynmindeq: right
06:33.39mindeqhm
06:33.39valdyn!pae
06:33.39dpkgPhysical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines.
06:34.02pululusmm.
06:34.16mindeqand is it simple to install/use etc that pae ?
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06:34.40valdynmindeq: its transparent to users except that you have to install a -bigmem kernel
06:35.14valdynmindeq: mind, it does not change the maximum process size, but you probably dont need to worry about that
06:36.19mindeqi didn't understand 100% what do you mean to install "bigmem" is this like ant option ? or something else ?
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06:36.47valdynmindeq: pae comes with a slight performance hit, that is why its not enabled in the default kernel
06:36.51valdyn!bigmem
06:36.51dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
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06:37.13valdynand that factoid is wrong oops
06:37.38mindeqhmz however adm64 would resolve my problem, right ? :)
06:37.50valdyndpkg: bigmem~= s/1GB/~3.44 GB/
06:37.50dpkgvaldyn: i don't know
06:37.54valdyndpkg: bigmem ~= s/1GB/~3.44 GB/
06:37.54dpkgvaldyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
06:38.02valdyndpkg: bigmem =~ s/1GB/~3.44 GB/
06:38.02dpkgvaldyn: OK
06:38.16valdyndpkg: bigmem =~ s/44/4/
06:38.16dpkgvaldyn: OK
06:38.19valdyn!bigmem
06:38.20dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
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06:39.18valdynmindeq: yes, except that 32-bit software can be a little tedious to use then
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06:39.33mindeqyeah
06:40.05Wyzardbut there isn't much 32-bit software you'd need to use on a 64-bit Debian system
06:40.12WyzardFlash is the most notable exception
06:40.13eeg3firefox
06:40.40mindeqhmz, so look ok i install 32 bit debian... then what ?
06:40.42WyzardThe only reason to run 32-bit Firefox is for plugins like Flash and Java that don't have 64-bit builds
06:40.46Wyzard64-bit Firefox works fine
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06:40.51mindeqcan i install with apt bigmem ?
06:40.56eeg3those are pretty important plugins that most people consider essential
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06:41.01cyziehi, how do i know the package is from which repo ?
06:41.07valdynmindeq: yes
06:41.16valdyncyzie: you dont
06:41.18mindeqand pae too ? and will it resolve the problem ?
06:41.28cyzievaldyn, how ?
06:41.34Wyzardand Flash can be used in a 64-bit browser with nspluginwrapper (Debian's amd64 flashplugin-nonfree package sets it up automatically)
06:41.58eeg3Ghetto. There's really no reason not to just use 32 bit and save yourself the hassle
06:42.15eeg3Your web browser shouldnt be accessing over 2gb of ram
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06:42.37prolix_i have one question.  do you dev for debian?
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06:43.23prolix_please, if my using this, *your*, operating system is that troublesome, i can definitely go elsewhere
06:43.28mindeqpae installs using apt too ? :) but after installation, do i have to configure anything with pae etc ?
06:43.35Wyzardeeg3: sure there is:  "apt-get install iceweasel" puts an icon in my menu that launches the 64-bit one; I don't want to jump through hoops involving chroots or custom installation to run a 32-bit one instead
06:43.51valdynprolix_: what's your real question?
06:43.57prolix_i have one question.  do you dev for debian?
06:44.01eeg3the hoops are far less than having to be create wrappers for all the plugins that wont work
06:44.12valdynprolix_: this is a support channel
06:44.30prolix_huh.
06:44.46Wyzardeeg3: "all the plugins" consists of Flash (for which the package sets things up automatically) and Java (which I don't really care about anyway, and Java 7 is expected to have a 64-bit plugin)
06:45.08Wyzardeeg3: any other browser plugins I have (e.g. mplayer) are native 64-bit
06:45.11prolix_btw, sub means below
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06:45.41eeg3Wyzard, you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between 32bit and 64bit firefox, but whatever. your choice, have fun.
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06:46.28Wyzardeeg3: What I'm saying is that a 64-bit browser *just works* for everything except Sun Java
06:46.38Wyzardeeg3: I see no point in going out of my way to install a 32-bit browser
06:46.59eeg3I dont understand how you dont find Java a vital tool
06:47.12TidusWyzard: what he's trying to say is functionally, they are one and the same.  You won't be able to tell the difference
06:47.27eeg3what Tidus said
06:47.41WyzardTidus: sure, except I'd have to do extra work to install a 32-bit one when I already have a working 64-bit one that was as simple as "apt-get install"
06:47.56Wyzardeeg3: Standalone Java is useful -- e.g. Azureus and Eclipse -- and that works fine
06:48.00eeg3Its not that difficult to specify to install the 32 bit version, I'd imagine
06:48.14Wyzardeeg3: It's just the browser plugin that's missing, but I rarely see web pages with Java applets on them
06:48.20eeg3I only work on RHEL 64 bit machines, but its simply a .x86_64 flag on the end there
06:48.30valdyneeg3: its not like that in debian
06:48.37TidusWyzard: and I take it that nspluginwrapper isn't working for you?
06:48.42WyzardYou can't install an i386 package on amd64 Debian
06:48.49WyzardTidus: no, it works
06:49.05eeg3Really? That's unfortunate.
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06:49.33TidusWyzard: it can be done, just a complete PITA
06:49.55mindeqlook pll :) in which point i have to install or else that pae ?
06:50.10valdynmindeq: at any time
06:50.12WyzardThe usual way to use 32-bit packages on 64-bit Debian is to set up a chroot
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06:50.23andriijashow do i smb mount something on boot?
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06:50.30Wyzardand that complicates the process of launching the app
06:50.38eeg3I couldnt imagine putting out a production desktop that doesnt have java support in firefox
06:50.49mindeqi got a tutorial which mentions how to make to use more then 3.2 gb or ram.. could you please check if it is ok : http://www.howtoforge.com/make-your-xen-pae-kernel-work-with-more-than-4gb-ram-debian-etch-grub
06:50.58mindeqit's looks simple :/
06:51.02Wyzardeeg3: I can't remember the last time I saw a web page that had a Java applet on it
06:51.02aliases123_eeg3: there is. cgj .
06:51.12mindeqbut its for xeon
06:51.14valdynmindeq: thats silly
06:51.21valdynmindeq: you dont need a tutorial for this
06:51.26valdyn!bigmem
06:51.26dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
06:51.28aliases123_microsoft killed off java pretty well in xp.
06:51.38valdynmindeq: now what is hard to understand about what dpkg said?
06:51.58mindeqok i install bigmen with apt, but pae is != bigmem ? or it's the same thing ? :)
06:51.58Wyzardmindeq: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
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06:52.09theycallmebrucehi all
06:52.19theycallmebruceanyone here have experience with Ethernet bonding ?
06:52.23aliases123_Wyzard: how does that work ?
06:52.24Wyzardmindeq: "bigmem" is the name for Debian's kernel "flavor" that's built with PAE
06:52.29mindeqa
06:52.36mindeqso i need only bigmem , ok thanks
06:52.38Wyzardbigmem == PAE
06:52.43Wyzardaliases123_: How does what work?
06:53.22aliases123_pae is what ?
06:53.44Elevator_HazardI just reformatted a linux box of mine and I'm trying to set up a printer, locally. I have it up on the cups web ui and it says its idle, rejecting jobs, published. I can Start Printer and / or Accept Jobs but it will just say its idle and not accepting jobs... any ideas? (debian 4.0 by the way)
06:54.04Wyzardaliases123_: It's a processor feature that lets a 32-bit x86 processor utilize up to 64GB of physical RAM
06:54.10aliases123_fair enough.
06:54.48WyzardIts use in Linux is controlled by a kernel build setting, so there are separate kernel packages for PAE and non-PAE
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06:56.30WyzardPAE is also needed for the "no execute" (aka "execute disable") feature on modern x86 processors, so it may be desirable to use it even if you don't have lots of RAM
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06:57.15aliases123_Wyzard: oh really ? i thought nx was in mainline :(
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06:57.44aliases123_so i should be running a pae kernel ? (i'm on lenny)
06:57.54WyzardIf you want to enable NX, yes
06:57.56valdynjava will work with nx enabled?
06:58.00valdynor wine?
06:58.01valdynor uh
06:58.02andriijaswc
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06:58.09WyzardJava works fine for me
06:58.47aliases123_Wyzard: are you sure nx isnt in the main  / normal debian kernel ?
06:58.56Wyzardwine should work too, if it's properly written
06:59.10valdynboth used to execute the stack
06:59.17valdyni dont know how that is working
06:59.51PavlzHave a good day
06:59.59PavlzBye bye
07:00.03PavlzPaolo
07:00.04Wyzardaliases123_: It's not a matter of kernel configuration; the processor only supports NX when in PAE mode
07:00.45aliases123_fair enough.
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07:04.01acuhey guys - do you know why a i386 or a i64  lenny daily would not boot on an Intel2 Core duo Acer Aspire workstation ?
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07:04.25valdyn!ia64
07:04.25dpkgit has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2.  The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
07:04.25Wyzardacu: i386 should work, but ia64 is a completely different architecture and won't work on that processor
07:04.28acuI mean the installation disk netwok
07:04.53WyzardIf you want 64-bit, use amd64
07:04.57acuwyzard: so intel core 2 duo is not 64 bit
07:05.04Wyzardyes, it is
07:05.09Wyzardbut it's not IA64
07:05.23enoufWyzard: heh, i recall those pae/nx options we discussed and the various 2/2, 3/1 splits, etc (iirc, there were 5 options)
07:05.37acuso you can install amd64 on an intel2 core duo  - did i understand it right ?
07:05.43Wyzardyes
07:06.04enoufacu: see wikipedia about 64bit x86 extensions
07:06.46acuwyzard: thanks - gosh that was the problem - all my  computers are AMD 64 but I was trying to help a friend install on Intel core 2 duo and he could not make it boot  at all -
07:07.16acuso - one stupid question what is the i64 for ?
07:07.26WyzardThat's for Itanium processors
07:07.28enoufacu: dpkg told you above
07:07.44Wyzardwhich aren't commonly seen these days because they didn't catch on when Intel introduced them a few years ago
07:08.05Wyzardand they were aimed at big servers anyway
07:08.07acuOK
07:08.11enoufa few more than a few ;-)
07:08.16acugosh - is good to know
07:08.31Wyzardso AMD came up with amd64, and Intel basically copied it
07:08.36acuI like to support the undedog -so absolutely all my computers are AMD :)
07:08.46acugreat
07:08.54WyzardThat's why the "amd64" arch is correct for your Core 2 Duo
07:09.16enoufStep 0, get the correct ARCH ;-) ; Step 1 download ISO, Step 2 Check the md5/sha sums
07:09.30acuMany thanks  wyzard and enouf
07:09.45acuEnouf thanks to wyzard :)
07:09.53enoufheh
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07:12.16acuI just install EKIGA 3.0 from daily svn for debian - it KICKS ASS (sorry for vulgarity) it is really coming close to how it should be  - however I want to capture audio video from my webcam and none of the program work - luvcview captures video only (and at odd frame rate) cheese captures video only, camstream does not work - any sugestion ?
07:14.04acumaybe I have too many questions :)
07:14.09acuthanks guys - bye
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07:21.00enoufwtf?
07:21.08Arsenioswtf wtf?
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07:22.23Elevator_HazardI set up a cups printer locally on my debian computer and when I tell it to print a test page, the job is always stopped. I can't find out what is wrong, any ideas?
07:22.52ArseniosNone on this end.. Sorry.. No printers setup...
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07:23.01Elevator_Hazard>.<
07:27.41phorce1Elevator_Hazard: as a test, have you tried printing something as root?
07:27.54Elevator_Hazardphorce1: yea.
07:28.08valdynElevator_Hazard: what is in the log files?
07:28.29Elevator_Hazardphorce1: when the printer is stopped itwill say the job has been pending since such and such time
07:28.48Elevator_Hazardbut if its started its just all the jobs have a state of stopped
07:28.51Elevator_Hazardone sec
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07:32.47Elevator_Hazardvaldyn you want me to pastebin it?
07:33.08valdynElevator_Hazard: yes
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07:34.23Elevator_Hazardvaldyn: http://pastebin.ca/1218776
07:34.36mindeqwhy do i get onbooting :"ATA : abnormal status of ... on botting ... " ?
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07:34.48mindeqit's about port
07:35.09valdynElevator_Hazard: you dont have the ppd file that cups is set to use
07:35.21valdynElevator_Hazard: ppd file = printer driver
07:35.35valdynElevator_Hazard: you can install a new printer
07:35.43valdyn!cups setup
07:35.43Elevator_Hazardvaldyn I got one for my c3100 from linuxprinting.org I have the link if you want to see..?
07:35.43dpkghmm... cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages.  Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer.  Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
07:36.09valdynElevator_Hazard: the log says that the file is empty
07:36.48valdynHP_Photosmart_C3100_series_USB_1" not available: No such file or directory
07:37.04Elevator_HazardI fixed itlater on, I told it to use http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PhotoSmart_C3100
07:37.53mindeqhmz i'm getting "hda: lost interrupt" .. ??
07:38.03valdynmindeq: ignore that
07:38.11valdynmindeq: till you get an actual error
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07:38.19mindeqbut if it will come all the time ? k waiting :)
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07:39.04Nazcafan!nvidia
07:39.04dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.  If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>.  nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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07:39.12phorce1Elevator_Hazard: paste the access.log
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07:39.31Elevator_Hazardphorce1: one sec.
07:40.08phorce1Elevator_Hazard: besides the missing file I see a whole lot of "you can't do squat" (Unauthorized) in the error.log
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07:40.25Elevator_HazardYea. what all could that be from?
07:40.36Elevator_Hazardits all running as root or should be
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07:40.57phorce1You are working on the same machine where cups is installed or going to the interface from a different machine?
07:41.12johntrampin mutt when i get a new email the interface doesn't seem to refresh until i press a key. is there a way that it will show a new email asap, rather than waiting for user interaction?
07:41.19Elevator_HazardI'm tyring to install the printer locally
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07:41.35Elevator_Hazardtalking to you from one computer though and working on the server at another
07:41.46Elevator_Hazardsort of
07:41.52phorce1Elevator_Hazard: The default cups install has a bunch of "require user @SYSTEM" limits that keep anyone from a remote machine from doing anything
07:42.08enoufmindeq: pastebin the output of dmesg
07:42.12Elevator_HazardI've been doing things locally though, nothing over the lan yet.
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07:42.29Elevator_HazardWell I did try a few times to access the web interface from outside
07:43.01phorce1Elevator_Hazard: Without a bunch of changes you MUST be actually keying in the commands (or clicking in a browser) that is on the same physical machine as the cups daemon
07:43.13mindeqthats the problem, i still don't see login ...
07:43.19Elevator_HazardI am
07:43.31mindeqi'm getting lost interrupt .. and so on ..
07:43.50phorce1Elevator_Hazard: ok, paste the access log so we can see what is actually succeeding
07:44.47Elevator_Hazardhttp://pastebin.ca/1218780
07:44.58phorce1mindeq: lost interrupt is most likely either the drive or the controller is fried. I have a drive that did that sitting here on my desk. I'm waiting to find an identical drive so I can try to swap out the electronics to attempt a save
07:45.31Elevator_Hazardyou should ignore the stuff not from localhost because that obviously doesn't work
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07:46.51phorce1Elevator_Hazard: the ppd was still broken at 0218 so I'm scrolling down to just past that
07:47.13Elevator_Hazard?
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07:48.35NeoIcewhats the best way to prevent users from using gcc? just make a developers group and chown the compiler binaries?
07:48.35phorce1Elevator_Hazard: The last entry in error.log that says the .ppd was empty was at ... well, 0215 actually, not 0218
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07:50.52phorce1Elevator_Hazard: there is some sort of permissions oddnes going on. access log says XXXX successful ans error log says XXXX Unauthorized with the exact same time stamp
07:51.03Elevator_HazardO_o
07:51.23phorce1Elevator_Hazard: You have this particular install of cups working with other printers?
07:51.35Elevator_Hazardnope recently reformatted
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07:52.03phorce1Elevator_Hazard: Ohh --- check permissions on the /dev entry for the printer itself.
07:52.19Elevator_HazardHow do I check that?
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07:55.55phorce1Elevator_Hazard: ls -l /dev/usb* probably. Maybe check the output of dmesg to find out where it got put when you plugged it in
07:56.06Elevator_Hazardphorce1: like the permissions as in crw-r----?
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07:56.21Elevator_Hazardphorce1: ls -l is all I did
07:57.13phorce1Elevator_Hazard: yes permissions and the owner/group it has been assigned. I'm a little useless here as my printer is a networked HP Laser
07:57.13Elevator_Hazardphorce1: ld0 has crw-r----
07:58.02phorce1Elevator_Hazard: what owner/group?
07:58.11Elevator_Hazardroot root
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07:59.43phorce1Elevator_Hazard: hmph. Got me on that one then. I know the lp devices (local parallel printers) are rw-rw---- root, lp or lp, lp and adding a user to the lp group allows writing to them
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08:00.32phorce1Elevator_Hazard: The logs definitely look like cups is authenticating you and allowing commands but the commands are being refused by the printer itself
08:00.44Elevator_Hazard>.<
08:01.26Elevator_Hazardphorce1: why would it do that though?
08:03.09phorce1Elevator_Hazard: Are you SURE the printer is /dev/ld0?
08:03.39Elevator_Hazardthere are some usb devices, how would I check to be sure?
08:04.45phorce1Elevator_Hazard: grep the output of dmesg for lines that mention the printer (actually, pipe dmesg through less and search it that way, a grep might miss important ines)
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08:06.24phorce1cool Cartoon Network has started up the new Star Wars clones series
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08:06.49Elevator_Hazardboondocks is on for me
08:07.09debeeewhat is the server for debian-eeepc
08:08.03Elevator_Hazardphorce1: to be honest I've rarely used grep...
08:08.08phorce1is waiting for a better supported dvb-s card to arrive
08:08.37phorce1Elevator_Hazard: use less and use the search functions there
08:09.17Elevator_Hazardlp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven)
08:10.04phorce1Elevator_Hazard: OK, so what are the owner/group and permissions of /dev/parport0
08:10.18phorce1Elevator_Hazard: and /dev/lp0
08:11.02Wyzardhmm...  two of my DVD-RW discs seem to have gone bad, at the same time
08:11.05Elevator_Hazardparport0's are crw-rw----, root lp
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08:11.29phorce1Elevator_Hazard: add yourself to the 'lp' group. Log out. Log back in. and try again (after cancelling all existing jobs)
08:11.34Elevator_Hazardlp0's are crw-rw---- root lp
08:11.50Elevator_Hazardmyself as in root?
08:12.08phorce1Elevator_Hazard: you're in X as rot?
08:12.15phorce1*root
08:12.29Elevator_HazardYea
08:13.26phorce1Elevator_Hazard: yuck. Try is as a user. Add the user to the lp group. --- I hate to suggest it but you may also want to reboot the machine so it'll forget about the pending jobs (maybe)
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08:13.43Elevator_HazardI took out all the jobs
08:14.25phorce1Elevator_Hazard: OK, then try adding a regular user to the lp group then log in as that user and try the test page
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08:15.12orzoHello.  I'm trying to use hotkeys with ratpoison. It seems to work if i launch it directly after ratpoison is running, but it doesnt work if i launch it from .ratpoisonrc or from .xinitrc
08:15.21orzothe process runs
08:15.26Elevator_Hazardphorce1 so what is so bad about being root on X? I can think of a few reasons but I never bothered to get off of root after signing in
08:15.29orzoit puts up the splash screen
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08:15.45phorce1wishes Elevator_Hazard hadn't brought up cups. Now I'm playing with getting my printer shared to etch machines that don't (easily) support it themselves.
08:15.46orzobut the volume buttons dont work
08:15.59orzothe volume buttons only work when i launch hotkeys directly
08:16.06orzops ax shows hotkeys is running
08:16.18orzoi dont understand it
08:16.56phorce1Elevator_Hazard: X now has way too many point-and-click widgets that can seriously hose your machine up --- but if you point-and-click as root
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08:17.30Elevator_Hazardphorce1: yea I had heard that
08:18.05phorce1Elevator_Hazard: I actually keep 2 or 3 root xterms open all the time -- but Ikeep them on a separate "desktop" that everything else so I know when I'm doing root stuf by looking down at the Gnome taskbar
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08:18.52phorce1Elevator_Hazard: and, up there, it should have said "but ONLY if you point-and-click as root"
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08:19.21Elevator_HazardI need a mouse that doesn't double-click
08:19.37testiI want to send SMS via shell command. I found smssend, but there is no script for my provider. Are there any providers where I can pay with credit card that are supported by smssend already?
08:19.40phorce1Elevator_Hazard: If I want to use an X widget to actually change a system setting I go to a root xtermand manually run the program to opem the widget.
08:19.49wasynyt_eeei am getting odd errors with apt-get and dpkg, it either gives me error code 1 or error status 135..
08:19.52jonealhi
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08:20.06Elevator_Hazardphorce1: so you want me to, after adding me to the lp group, do what?
08:20.09Tapoutis there a 'good' way to select a mirror?  install a program and it'll decide which is best based off polling a bunch?
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08:21.24jelly-home!+tell Tapout -about apt-spy
08:21.24dpkgtold Tapout about apt-spy.
08:21.28phorce1Elevator_Hazard: add you, the non-root "you", to lp. Then log in as you, start X as you, and try the test page again. If it fails paste just the last 5 or 10 minutes of cups logs (both of them)
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08:22.12Elevator_Hazardtest page as in the cups page and try to print?
08:22.14troubledSome great crypto google talk videos (~1hr each, and circa 2007) --> Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcgqBEzcD_I  --   Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDvt_0cafPw  --  Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDnShu5V99s  --  Enjoy!
08:22.31phorce1Elevator_Hazard: if you're already logged in as "you" don't use that login session. you habe to re-log-in for an added group to take effect
08:22.39phorce1Elevator_Hazard: yes
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08:23.27jelly-homewasynyt_eee: pastebin the exact commands run and complete output
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08:23.56phorce1Elevator_Hazard: cups itself is "seeing" and accepting the commands but you're getting unauth errors after  the command is accepted. This is another way to test if it's a /dev permissions problem
08:24.49Elevator_Hazardphorce1: the User who sent the job according to cups is Guest
08:25.15phorce1Elevator_Hazard: that's odd, that'll never work
08:25.34Elevator_HazardThis was a lot easier installing on ubuntu I'll tell you that.
08:26.24wasynyt_eeehttp://pastebin.com/m44fb85f7
08:26.51wasynyt_eeesorry about the language as i am from finland
08:26.54Elevator_Hazardphorce1 wait I hit Start Printer and it asks for username and password so I do MY username and password (not root's) and it doesn't log in,
08:26.59Elevator_Hazardphorce1: just asks again
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08:27.18phorce1Elevator_Hazard: go to a command line and type 'echo This is a very short test file > testprt.txt
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08:27.37phorce1Elevator_Hazard: then type 'lpr testprt.txt'
08:27.45zeffernoAnyone know any tweaking guide to Debian 4.0? I find the kernels load uneeded stuff.
08:28.23vorpalzefferno: rolling your own kernel is a good start :-)
08:28.42vorpalzefferno: debian has tools which make it fairly painless
08:29.14phorce1zefferno: if you want a smaller kernel use kernel-package to roll your own
08:29.16Elevator_Hazardphorce1: there we go
08:29.17zeffernovorpal: That's why I downloading a kernal right now. but I thought mybe there is a guide for a lightweight Debian...
08:29.29Tapouthrmm,  I ran apt-spy and now .. security.debian.org points to yorku .. and it has 404 errors on it
08:29.41Elevator_Hazardphorce1: its from me, and its pending... the printer is stopped though so I need to start it, but I can only start it as root?
08:29.49phorce1Elevator_Hazard: OK, so it's just the cups web interface that isn't accepting your username for some reason
08:30.10vorpalzefferno: define lightweight
08:30.10Elevator_Hazardphorce1: like it didn't print yet.
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08:30.39enoufzefferno: nah, we like our debians bloated (/me rolls eyes)
08:30.46Elevator_Hazardphorce1: Printer State: stopped, accepting jobs, published.
08:31.19quittehi. is there a gnome program that can install debs and their dependencies and opens after double clicking in nautilus?
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08:31.45phorce1Elevator_Hazard: wait one
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08:32.19maligorzefferno, ls /etc/init.d and dpkg -S /etc/init.d/whatever, and have fun removing everything you don't need
08:32.20zeffernovorpal: Kernel and configuration which comes with basic setup of modules and servcies and options to activate them if needed. Just like in gentoo.
08:32.37enouf...
08:32.39maligorjust don't bug me if you remove something important :P
08:32.43wasynyt_eeejelly-home, did you notice my pastebin link ?
08:33.04phorce1Elevator_Hazard: lpstat -d
08:33.53Elevator_Hazardsystem default destination: HP_Photosmart_C3100_series_USB_!
08:34.00Elevator_HazardUSB_1 I'm sorry
08:34.07Elevator_Hazardphorce1 that looks good right?
08:34.29maligorzefferno, it does install some tasks that aren't nessesary in most configurations like LVM iirc
08:34.30vorpalzefferno: the kernel is self-documenting, although a bit of research (e.g., google) maybe necessary.  as far as system services, the debian sysadmin guide would be a good place to start.   also redhat docs, and gentoo docs may be appropriate.
08:34.44maligordepends entirely on if you use LVM or not
08:34.47phorce1Elevator_Hazard: '/usr/bin/enable HP_Photosmart_C3100_series_USB_!'
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08:35.04phorce1Elevator_Hazard: '/usr/bin/enable HP_Photosmart_C3100_series_USB_1'
08:35.24zeffernoLike for example why the hell they included bittorrent agent?
08:36.36omryOT: anyone knows how to check while dynamic libraries are loaded by a binary?
08:36.40Elevator_Hazard<PROTECTED>
08:36.41omrys/while/which
08:36.45wasynyt_eeehow do i force removal of package ? dpkg --force-all -r package.deb doesnt do the trick
08:36.46vorpalzefferno: for example, say you ran across some option CONFIG_FROBNITZ in the kernel.  it should give you a brief description what is for.  you also want to see what depends on it.  you can grep through the kernel, or if you're lucky, someone has written more about it
08:36.51quitteomry: ldd
08:36.56omryquitte, thanks
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08:37.07Elevator_Hazardphorce1: I don't have enable?
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08:37.33phorce1Elevator_Hazard: Sorry -- renamed for debian
08:37.39phorce1Elevator_Hazard: '/usr/bin/cupsenable HP_Photosmart_C3100_series_USB_1'
08:37.46Elevator_Hazardoh ok thanks
08:38.28xushiHi all.. i have an issue with an old machien that can't boot from CDROM. I have to boot via floppy then start the installation. How do i do that? I see several images in http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/  but not sure which one i need? or do i need all of them?
08:38.31vorpalzefferno: aptitude remove bittorrent-agent
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08:38.54Elevator_Hazardphorce1: why is it asking for password and why does it not take my password? >.<
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08:39.08phorce1Elevator_Hazard: try the root password
08:39.19vorpalzefferno: you may also be interested in projects like Damn Small Linux, and Linux From Scratch
08:39.23Elevator_Hazardand root user right?
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08:39.37phorce1Elevator_Hazard: yes
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08:40.46Elevator_Hazardphorce1: ok now on cups it says that the printer is started. But the job that was sent a while ago has been stopped
08:41.03biopytehello, anybody here with a e17 install on *lenny*? how did you do it?
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08:42.43wols!e17
08:42.43dpkgDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
08:44.09phorce1Elevator_Hazard: I can't find a commandline equiv for restarting a job -- probably lpq
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08:44.23Elevator_HazardI could just cancel it and redo it
08:45.22phorce1Elevator_Hazard: try that -- kill it with lprm
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08:45.45phorce1Elevator_Hazard: (get the job ID from lpq)
08:45.56biopytewols: i dont get it, you dont want talk e17, cause you pissed by it?  (audaciuos is nice, btw :-)
08:46.22valdyn!dr17
08:46.22dpkgit has been said that dr17 is [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ or debs are now available in experimental
08:46.57biopytee17 -> DR17? ok
08:46.58wasynyt_eeeeverything i try to install or remove just returns errors
08:47.20wasynyt_eeeerror status 135
08:47.36Elevator_Hazardphorce1: the job is stopped..
08:47.47Elevator_Hazardphorce1: this is so stupid :(
08:48.48wolswasynyt_eee: full output incl your command, in a pastebin
08:49.20phorce1Elevator_Hazard: heh I had the same problems with an unsupported printer on etch. But it was more involved than stopped jobs.
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08:49.40phorce1Elevator_Hazard: pastebin the last 5 minutes of error.log and access.log
08:49.46Elevator_Hazardany ideas? I'm about to call it quits it would be cool to sleep tonight :D
08:49.57Elevator_Hazardok one sec
08:50.03Elevator_Hazardwell a few secs...
08:51.00wasynyt_eeehttp://pastebin.com/m4e62476c
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08:51.20phorce1Elevator_Hazard: it's 03h49m here. Probably not much sleep for me. Work starts at 07h00m
08:51.39Elevator_Hazardoh fun
08:51.42Elevator_Hazardsame time here
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08:52.28phorce1Elevator_Hazard: I might grab an hour -- and I might get lucky and the first customer won't ring my phone until noon.
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08:52.43xushiam i correct in saying that the boot.img for floppy images has no CD drivers? i have to use the cd-drivers.img image to have a kernel i can use to install from cd afterwards?
08:53.13valdynxushi: that doesnt make sense really
08:53.28phorce1is wondering what a floppy is. ;-)
08:53.29xushivaldyn: basically my machine is too old and doesnt support booting from CD.
08:53.41Elevator_Hazardhttp://pastebin.ca/1218809 phorce1
08:53.42valdynxushi: i dont know, but i would guess that cd-drivers is for those legacy cd controllers on old soundcards and similar
08:53.47xushiso i'm forced to find a floppy (eventually found one) and boot from it to start the installation
08:53.50xushibut not sure how...
08:54.02xushii stumbled upon this, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/  but not sure which image to use
08:54.09quittexushi: is it unable to boot? or does it not have a cd drive?
08:54.13valdynxushi: non-ancient cd drives dont get special hardware drivers
08:54.22xushiquitte: it is unable to boot. the bios is too old
08:54.22quittestupid question, sorry
08:54.30xushihehe no problem
08:54.38xushivaldyn: so i only need boot.img?
08:54.53valdynxushi: if you cd drive is atapi.
08:54.54Elevator_Hazardhttp://pastebin.ca/1218810 phorce1
08:55.01quittexushi: i'd probably look for some way to run the installer from a dos bootdisk. I think syslinux can be started from dos
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08:55.35phorce1Elevator_Hazard: kill that job and try to lpr it as root
08:55.43xushiquitte: hmm, do you have any documentation on that?
08:56.14wasynyt_eeewols any ideas ?
08:56.43phorce1Elevator_Hazard: It's still showing what is basically a permissions error on the job
08:56.52phorce1Elevator_Hazard: errr -- on the device
08:57.14n_md1011Where would I learn how to install debain using netbooting from a comp running XP?
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08:59.13biopytevolume control always worked nicely on t61 notebook hardware with lenny. recently, only the volume symbol pops up and the meter changes, but nothing happens. volume can only be controlled by gnomes sound control but not with the t61 volume buttons anymore. any idea how this can be fixed?
08:59.40quittexushi: http://www.userlocal.com/dosslack/ it uses loadlin.exe, though
09:00.04enoufxushi: i use SBM for what you want
09:00.05xushiquitte: what works works.. i don't mind
09:00.33xushienouf: SBM?
09:00.43enoufxushi: btmgr.sf.net
09:01.08enouf!sbm
09:01.08dpkgi guess sbm is Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm.  Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't.
09:01.25xushiexcellent
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09:01.48Elevator_Hazardphorce1 yea its still stopped as root
09:02.31wolswasynyt_eee: LANG=C <your apt command"
09:02.35wolswasynyt_eee: we don't know finiish
09:02.38wols*finnish
09:02.43phorce1Elevator_Hazard: at this point I would try purging cups and starting fresh to make sure something didn't get twisted when you had the .ppd wrong
09:02.48wasynyt_eeewill do
09:03.07wolsElevator_Hazard: purge ALL cups packages and make sure no traces of any remains
09:03.07Elevator_Hazardphorce1: ok I'll do that tomorrow I guess, thanks so much though
09:03.17Elevator_Hazardyea.
09:03.28Elevator_Hazardapt-get purge cupsys?
09:03.29Elevator_Hazardetc?>
09:03.33phorce1Elevator_Hazard: took me aout 3 tries to get it right for the stupid (new and cheap) color laser 2600n
09:03.58n_md1011To get latest of the latest debain and software is there anything better you can do other than changing everything in sources.list to unstable?
09:04.00phorce1Elevator_Hazard: dpkg -l|grep cups
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09:04.17format_cn_md1011, use backports
09:04.25phorce1Elevator_Hazard: then apt-get --purge remove [the packages you find]
09:04.34wolsn_md1011: don't use unstable
09:04.37Elevator_Hazardphorce1: I'll remember that. thanks I I'm going to go
09:04.41n_md1011how do i add backports?
09:04.48wols!tell n_md1011 about backports
09:04.54wolsn_md1011: ónly useful if you run etch
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09:05.13format_cn_md1011, see http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
09:05.16phorce1Elevator_Hazard: I'm gone too. Need to send out a mass email
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09:05.32phorce1(that I haven't written yet)
09:05.42wasynyt_eeewols, http://pastebin.com/m2f065dbe
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09:06.55n_md1011wols: so if I've been using unstable this won't be any newer
09:09.08wolswasynyt_eee: what licn6 version? dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
09:09.26phorce1n_md1011: if you want newer than unstable then use experimental --- and prepare to have your system not work most of the time. Probably not a good thing if you couldn't google "debian backports"
09:09.49wasynyt_eeeii  libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:09.59n_md1011harsh
09:10.06phorce1;-)
09:10.27phorce1sleep deprived. I should probably shut up now
09:10.30wolsn_md1011: you are not even fit enough to run unstable when looking at your question
09:10.49wolswasynyt_eee: have you googled your error?
09:10.52phorce1knew wols would make me look tame though
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09:11.01n_md1011maybe not but can't I have my fun and hopefully learn from it
09:11.38wasynyt_eeei tried.. but it didnt come up with anything related :S i might have used wrong keywords tho
09:11.41quitteparents: talk to your children before it's too late...
09:11.41wolsn_md1011: sure but we cannot in good conscience make people's debian not work. hence why we tell you this
09:11.44phorce1n_md1011: Really, only go to experimental if you're playing on a spare system
09:12.03n_md1011I am
09:12.10wolswasynyt_eee: that bus error can have various reasons it seems
09:12.17phorce1n_md1011: and expect ZERO help from the channel. Even help for sid is VERY imited
09:12.42n_md1011google is my help desk
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09:13.22wasynyt_eeei just installed this system so i wonder what is causing this.. as i have not really played with anything related to dpkg
09:14.13wolsbad package, filesystem error, bad hardware, etc
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09:14.18wolswasynyt_eee: check your dmesg
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09:16.23wasynyt_eeewhat should i look for there
09:16.34goraWhat is the equivalent of the slocate package (provides a caching system the locate command to find system files) on Debian 4.1?
09:17.24cahootmlocate?
09:17.43wolswasynyt_eee: error messages
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09:19.08phorce1now, what the heck is the difference between plain old 'locate' and 'mlocate'? ('aptitude show'ing now brb)
09:19.34wasynyt_eeeall i can see in terminal are some stuff about my ssd
09:20.12goracahoot:  Thanks
09:20.57wasynyt_eee[ 3991.220499] sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: No additional sense information
09:20.57wasynyt_eee[ 3991.220509] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 26194215
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09:22.44phorce1hmmm faster database updates and userspace restrictions on filenames returned. I'll stick with plain old locate so I don't have to be root when I'm looking for some obscure lib or src file
09:23.42wolswasynyt_eee: bad hdd. run a long smartmontools test
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09:24.21wasynyt_eeei dont have that
09:25.05wols!installit
09:25.05dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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09:25.35wasynyt_eeewols how would you like me to install it as apt-get/dpkg doesnt work
09:26.00wolswasynyt_eee: man dpkg, live cd, etc
09:26.28wasynyt_eeethis is a asus eee with no cd drive :S
09:26.43n_md1011do you have a flash drive?
09:26.46wasynyt_eeeohh well i have to check ho i can see the status of my disc
09:26.50wasynyt_eeeyeah
09:26.52n_md1011its easy to install debain to it
09:27.08n_md1011and then boot fro mthere
09:27.13n_md1011from there*
09:27.31wolsthen it's more than unlikely it's a hdd problem...
09:27.37wolsflash doesn't go bad that way
09:27.50wasynyt_eeeand this machine is quite new
09:28.20n_md1011return it?
09:28.57wasynyt_eeei have hard time believing that it is a ssd error
09:29.08wasynyt_eeei will do a reboot.. be back in a moment
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09:37.23b0rsukI'm trying to configure an old 3.1 Sarge desktop. I'm using DHCP. /etc/network/interfaces looks like "auto eth0 iface inet dhcp". I try to restart the network, but it doesn't work.
09:37.30b0rsuk"Failed to bring up eth0"
09:38.00b0rsukAny ideas ? The machine used to have static /etc/network/interfaces .
09:38.02enoufroute, arp showing anything?
09:38.20b0rsukenouf: Route isn't showing anything at all. Should I add it manually ?
09:38.25quitteb0rsuk: do you have a dhcp client installed?
09:38.34deus___hi geeks ;)
09:38.37enoufwait, you're missing eth0 in your iface line
09:38.47b0rsukquitte: I'm 95% sure the answer is yes.
09:39.38b0rsukOnce I edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart network, should it detect the 'route' automatically or not ?
09:40.03quitteb0rsuk: enouf just told you what the problem is
09:40.17enoufb0rsuk: dhclient-bin shhould do it, once you get your /interfaces correct - although "ifup eth0" or "ifconfig eth0 up" should do - make sure dmesg sees your iface as eth0
09:40.35enoufls /sys/class/net
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09:41.10enouf!z25
09:41.10dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
09:41.12quittesigh. everyone in #debian-live seems to be asleep
09:41.12b0rsuk"auto eth0 iface inet dhcp" is what I said. I don't have any problems noticing 'eth0' in there.
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09:41.29enoufis another possible issue
09:42.02enoufauto eth0
09:42.02enoufiface eth0 inet dhcp
09:42.09quitteb0rsuk: 2 lines: auto eth0"
09:42.23enouf!tell b0rsuk -about interfaces
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09:43.18b0rsukquitte: I failed to mention I do have 2 lines in there, I just skipped the first (auto eth0) to make it shorter. Sorry.
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09:43.31b0rsukI'm going to try out your commands, see you soon.
09:44.48quitteany idea why livehelper ignores the fils in config/chroot_local-packageslists ?
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09:47.07enoufquitte: no idea
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09:47.47BlombergWhat a muttafucka linuks penguin?
09:48.56enoufoinkway oinkway ittlelay iggypay ?
09:49.07BlombergHvala vama!
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09:49.35enoufobama bin laden!
09:49.41BlombergDA!
09:49.57quitteenouf: please feed thtroll in private
09:50.10enoufindeed ;-)
09:50.25BlombergKi a faszt érdekel ez?
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09:50.45enoufgo away now ...  thanks
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09:57.59RichiHwhat bootloaders for PPC allow multi-boot?
09:58.16RichiH(note that i don't even own a ppc box, it is for a discussion i am having)
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09:59.47wolsRoyalKnight: yaboot should somehow (note I don't own a ppc either)
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10:01.57RichiHwols: apparently, it does not
10:02.02wasynyt_eeesmartctrl says that smart is ok
10:02.15wasynyt_eeethe disc doesnt support test
10:02.29wolswasynyt_eee: it's a SSD, of course not
10:02.37wolsI told you long ago
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10:03.00wasynyt_eeethen i just didnt listen :(
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10:03.22wolswasynyt_eee: get another kernel
10:04.02wasynyt_eeehmm
10:04.07wasynyt_eeeshould i just reinstall
10:04.30wolsRichiH: that ask slashdot being you about backup?
10:04.58RichiHwols: did they accept it or are you reading firehose?
10:05.28wolsmainpage
10:05.45RichiHgood, good
10:05.58RichiHthey did not accept my thumb drive question
10:06.03RichiHpft
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10:08.04Hal9000hello! i installed the tinymce package, but i can't access it from the web, it gives me http 403. in the apache error_log i see this: "client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/tinymce/www/" what could be the problem?
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10:08.41wolshow did you include your tinymce to the webserver doc root?
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10:09.15Hal9000wols: i followe instructions in the package README.Debian, so i added that alias stuff to the apache config
10:09.57b0rsukThe /etc/network/interfaces file is configured properly. However:
10:09.58wolswhat "alias stuff"?
10:10.01wolswhat did you do?
10:10.02b0rsukifup eth0
10:10.16wolsb0rsuk: what interfaces do you have?
10:10.17b0rsukifconfig eth0 up
10:10.31Hal9000it is in /usr/share/doc/tinymce/README.Debian i just copied the portion and created /etc/apache2/conf.d/tinymce.conf with the lines in it
10:10.32seed__I need to do a alsaconf each time I switch on my computer to select the right sound card, is there a way to avoid that please?
10:10.35b0rsuketh0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device
10:10.52wolsb0rsuk: what interfaces DO you have?
10:10.58b0rsukIt appears that my network card simply isn't configured properly.
10:11.18wolsit appears you avoid my question. can you answer it?
10:11.22b0rsukwols: You mean working interfaces, or just interfaces ?
10:11.28wolsI mean interfaces as I said
10:11.53b0rsukI'm not sure what you mean but I'm using 'eth0' in /etc/networking/interfaces
10:12.07wolsb0rsuk: I am asking what interfaces you have. ifconfig -a
10:12.29b0rsukSo I guess 'eth0', it was previously configured as eth0
10:12.31b0rsukHmm
10:12.33wolsdon't fucking guess! make sure!
10:12.37b0rsukThat will take a while.
10:12.49b0rsukwols: Anything for you, charming.
10:12.51CoolColdahaha
10:13.00wolsb0rsuk: have fun solving your own problems. good day
10:13.06wolsputs b0rsuk on ignore
10:14.57Hal9000wols: any idea what my problem could be?
10:15.27Hal9000uh! i think i got it working...
10:15.33wolsfile perms, htaccess stuff, that kinda thing
10:15.42Hal9000turns out README.Debian contains buggy config
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10:18.20enoufseed__: you have multiple sound cards?
10:20.09seed__enouf: yep
10:20.11wasynytwols, the reason seems to be corrupted ext3
10:20.15wasynytlesson learned
10:20.27enoufb0rsuk: a simple ls /sys/class/net will show you the ifaces
10:20.31b0rsukFor some reason I have 'lo' and 'tunl0' interfaces, but not eth0. The machine used to have a shitty SIS motherboard, so it's configured for that. The new mobo is Asus A7N8X (not deluxe), which has pretty solid linux support.
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10:20.49b0rsukI can't check interfaces in the middle of booting Kubuntu from a cd.
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10:20.59enoufseed__: you appear to be in need of some ~/.asoundrc file. or an /etc/asound.conf
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10:21.56b0rsukUbuntu detects it properly. I can't just do a fresh install on that machine because of some Debian/Ubuntu bugs. It just fails to install at partitioning stage.
10:22.10seed__enouf: thanks I will google this :)
10:22.25enoufseed__: two things. man asoundconf, and see http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc
10:22.52enoufseed__: also, do you let alsaconf write to /etc/modprobe.d/ as it asks?
10:22.59bvkhi, i see php source at the browser side (instead of server processing), anybody faced this problem earlier?
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10:23.04wolswasynyt: as I said, filesystem problems
10:23.13seed__enouf: yes I do
10:23.24wolswasynyt: but fm my googling, there were various issues possible
10:23.37b0rsukenouf: The same as above, 'lo' and 'tunl0'
10:23.56enoufseed__: ok, check out the contents ( /etc/modprobe.d/sound )  as well
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10:24.11enoufb0rsuk: no eth0 :-/
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10:25.25b0rsukenouf: The hardware is ok, because if I boot some kind of ubuntu from it, I have the net. That computer used to have SIS motherboard, so I suspect it may be a motherboard configuration issue.
10:25.40enoufb0rsuk: if you swapped out motherboards. /msg dpkg z25
10:25.45enoufand check dmesg
10:25.51wasynyti think i wont disable inode writes with those options... were those noatime
10:25.52b0rsukenouf: Thanks.
10:25.54wasynytetc
10:26.11b0rsukI'll try it once I get back home.
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10:26.36enoufb0rsuk: yes, you need to make sure you load the correct modules for your motherboard, however, and installer failing on partitioning maybe some other issues - even BIOS setup ones maybe
10:26.55b0rsukAt least I managed to get KDE to work by chaning "SIS" to "nv" and lowering monitor frequency.
10:27.08enoufb0rsuk: make sure /etc/modules doesn't contain any old SIS mobo specific modules
10:27.26b0rsukenouf: It's a problem with SATA dvd drive, Marvell chipset etc.
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10:27.39b0rsukIt's a known bug and I'm FED UP with it.
10:27.40enoufb0rsuk: and stop using sarge :-P use atleast etch :-P
10:28.01enoufb0rsuk: use etchnhalf or lenny installer
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10:28.32b0rsukenouf: I'm typing this from my Lenny desktop, but that machine has Sarge. I can't install Etch or anything else (Even ubuntu) on it because it fails at partitioning. Even on my machine, I had to use debootstrap because nothing else would work.
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10:28.53enoufdist-upgrade it
10:28.57b0rsukenouf: Last time I checked lenny also has issues booting from SATA drive.
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10:29.08wolsenouf: don't you love it when they talk pure bullshit? and no info to actually show why this would happen?
10:29.14b0rsukAnd my PATA drive died from old age, so I can no longer use that.
10:29.16enoufcheck out the Daily one
10:29.41enoufand stop typing so friggin fast you robot :-P
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10:30.23jaybinkson debian etch is there a fairly simple fix for ... /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' ??
10:30.36enoufwols: yes, the missing overall plot sure makes for a crappy short story :-P
10:30.44wolsjaybinks: context needed
10:31.02jaybinkswols : Ive installed nagios from apt
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10:31.15jaybinksand some of the nagios plugins are giving that error
10:31.24jaybinkswhich is stopping it from working
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10:31.55wolsjaybinks: no solution under etch. you'd need to upgrade to lenny
10:32.04jaybinksahhh that sux
10:32.12jaybinksno backports from lenny to etch for the needed packages ?
10:32.20wolslibc6 is never backported
10:32.27jaybinksmm ok
10:32.34jaybinksso what dI need to do .. :P
10:32.35wolsor you could recompile those plugins you got from god knows where
10:32.50jaybinksapt-get dist-upgrade ?
10:33.04wols!tell jaybinks about etch->lenny
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10:35.13jaybinksthanks
10:35.24jaybinkslet hope it dosnt break anything else .. :P
10:35.32b0rsukThanks for help, I'm gone for now.
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10:37.02enoufseed__: this might even be better, more focused http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards
10:38.22enoufseed__: just note, much of that (even the debian info) is older now, note the kernel versions mentioned
10:40.08superjoe30!tell superjoe30 about etch->lenny
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10:41.55enoufsuperjoe30: you can /msg dpkg <factoid>
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10:42.43superjoe30enouf, ah thanks
10:42.51enoufnp ;-)
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10:55.00BauBau85hello
10:55.22BauBau85where can i find a tutorial on how to install debian on a thecus n1200?
10:56.58wolsBauBau85: google?
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11:00.49BauBau85k
11:00.53BauBau85but
11:01.22BauBau85after installing debian on thecus, is there a web interface to configure it or only from console, ssh acces?
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11:02.11wolsBauBau85: ssh
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11:03.22Dark_Titan<Dark_Titan> how would I make an sh script run every 10 min ?
11:03.22Dark_Titan<Dark_Titan> */10 * * *
11:03.23Dark_Titanright?
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11:04.28OBcecado*/10 * * * * /what/ever
11:05.27hoxuIs there a way to get USB sticks and such to get mounted by serial number or some similar unique identifier in /media?
11:05.47cahootset a label?
11:05.50wolshoxu: by UUID or label usually
11:05.59wols!tell hoxu about uuid
11:06.30enouf!udev rules
11:06.30dpkgfile:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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11:07.05hoxuwols, enouf, cahoot: thanks :)
11:07.44RichiHwols: it's depressing how very good /. is at misunderstanding basic questions
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11:08.08RichiH'i want a bike' 'so, i would suggest you get a rocket and duct tape'
11:08.18wolsRichiH: they are morons. period
11:08.43enoufsounds like a wonderful Frameworks and Hammers story ;-)
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11:09.27enoufhttp://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12
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11:09.39CuBe0wLhi all
11:09.47RichiHi am not sure how _easy_ & _distributed_ and _backup_ *and* _storage_ can be misinterpreted
11:09.50enouf"A hammer?" he asks. "Nobody really buys hammers anymore. They're kind of old fashioned."
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11:14.14CuBe0wLhi all! does anybody know how can I get my network card's mac address during install?
11:14.40CuBe0wLthe console says the command ifconfig is not found
11:14.43enoufalt-f2, ifconfig?
11:14.52CuBe0wLit's not in path yet
11:14.54cahoot<PROTECTED>
11:15.01CuBe0wLno ifconfig in sbin
11:15.07enoufcd /target maybe
11:15.19CuBe0wLok, I'll search for it there then
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11:15.52enouflet 'mount' output show you, i guess
11:15.57liableip is in the installer
11:16.08liableip link show
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11:16.33CuBe0wLenouf, it was there, thx
11:16.41enoufwonders if z25 is even populated at that point
11:17.03liableits z70 or something now iirc
11:17.06enoufCuBe0wL: ok - thanks to liable too, good suggestion
11:17.20enoufliable: newer only, correct
11:18.14enouf" As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ."
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11:18.31CuBe0wLthx liable too
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11:19.38enoufeww.. they took the 'z' out of it :-P
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11:26.50liable!qotd0
11:26.50dpkg<Zap-W> what is DD   <greycat> ~DD   <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer   <Zap-W> KK   <Zap-W> why the abriviation   <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten!   <Zap-W> lazarus: it  alienates ppl   <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence.   <Zap-W> suck bananas   <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W   * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples
11:27.11liablehehe
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11:27.35mazzanetyay ftp.au.debian.org is down
11:27.52cahootdown under?
11:27.52liableits unreliable that mirror
11:28.06mazzanetconsiders using uk
11:28.06liableit breaks every couple of months
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11:28.30liablejp would prolly be a better choice
11:28.54liableactually it might not be..
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11:38.47debshitalat root prompt, i want to create a directory as different user how can i do this?
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11:39.50liablenot sure it can do ownership. -m does perms. dont see an ownership flag
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11:40.06liablewithout checking the info pages
11:40.13abrotmancreate it and chown
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11:42.35debshitali want it to be a single line command
11:42.58prois it possible to see the current vid from my cpu via software?
11:43.41asgdebshital: mkdir foo && chown bar foo
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11:44.05mquinpro: vid?
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11:44.48proor voltage
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11:45.54Tr1pmythtv --> how can i update my movielist whitout using my interface
11:46.07liableTr1p: try #mythtv?
11:46.17Tr1pthey dont know
11:46.26Tr1pand i have installed it on debian
11:46.53mquinpro: take a look at the lm sensors suite - it can read that sort of information from some hardware
11:49.03proah yes thanks mquin I forgot
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11:51.10Ab3l9607hi what's the command to know the GUID of a hard disk ?
11:51.26cahootblkid?
11:51.44Ab3l9607i just need a guid to be able to mount with that instead of /dev
11:52.28petemcitym partition
11:53.04cahootAb3l9607: tried blkid?
11:53.09Ab3l9607yes but returns
11:53.14Ab3l9607uuid for nix disks
11:53.17Ab3l9607not for ntfas ones
11:53.19Ab3l9607:(
11:53.40Ab3l9607guess they don't have ?
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11:59.39Ab3l9607mean i can see in /dev/disk/by-uuid
11:59.48Ab3l9607but how do i know what each belongs ?
11:59.51abrotmanRichiH: is that you on slashdot?
12:00.16poalocis there a preferred program for debian to record changes in my desktop as a video?
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12:01.41poaloci am using gtk-RecordMu
12:02.07poaloci am using gtk-RecordMyDesktop but it records in a .ogv format, not widely used.
12:02.11RichiHabrotman: yes
12:02.17abrotman!spank RichiH
12:02.17dpkgbends RichiH over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
12:02.27poalocit there one that records in mpeg?
12:02.31abrotmanRichiH: actually .. i can't say much .. i did one *years* ago
12:02.36RichiHabrotman: unfortunately, anyone able to understand my question seems not to have any answer
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12:03.04abrotmanRichiH: i couldn't figure out if you were asking for an opinion on that cleversafe, or an alternative
12:03.17RichiHboth
12:03.21abrotmannevermind .. i read the last line
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12:04.46Ab3l9607got it ;)
12:04.53Ab3l9607just what over by konqueror
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12:08.01wolsRichiH: why can't you divide between backup and storage? why combined?
12:09.25jelly-homethey are very similar?
12:09.49wolssure but it appears it doesn't exist. so one has to make do
12:11.31NeoIcedoes the debian floppy mode have dd?
12:11.36NeoIcerecovery mode*
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12:14.03abrotmanRichiH: GFS?
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12:16.12RichiHwols: because i should not need to, mainly
12:17.02wolsRichiH: then I guess you start your compiler :P
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12:17.59abrotmanRichiH: i like the 'git' suggestion :)
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12:18.17RichiHabrotman: we are talking about my mom, here
12:18.40abrotmanRichiH: mount it over samba? if you can .. which i'm not sure if you can
12:18.42timgoh0Your mom.
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12:19.20RichiHabrotman: my family is distributed all over germany, sometimes all over the world. i certainly don't want to use SMB for that
12:19.26RichiHand VPN is too complicated
12:19.46RichiHalso, the client should push data to the server and poll for new data
12:19.46abrotmanit's going to require some sort of encryption
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12:19.53RichiHSMB makes you do it in realtime
12:19.58morghanphoenixAnyone know their wireless cards? I'm looking to pick up a wifi card that will work well with debian, probably kernel supported, that is short enough to fit inside the pc-card bay of a toughbook and still let me close the door to keep the water seal intact.
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12:20.05wolsRichiH: openvpn
12:20.40abrotmanRichiH: i meant to script the backup to the gfs at night or whatever
12:20.40RichiHwols: i know i can autostart it, but with TLS available, the Solution should just do its own encryption
12:21.29abrotmanmorghanphoenix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers
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12:22.59cremetortehi i want to create a SSH user who only has access to one specific folder lets say /foo/bar and all subdirectorys of bar
12:23.01wolsRichiH: so you want a "special" client software? otherwise no TLS
12:23.03cremetorteis this somehow possible
12:23.12ZmaxHi all. Which package does provide XOpenDisplay X11 function?
12:23.21morghanphoenixYup, nice chipset list, but do you know if any of them are itty bitty cards? I was thinking orinoco prism-II, but I don't know if any of them are small enough to let me keep the water seal intact while I'm using it.
12:23.41wols!wayttd Zmax
12:23.41dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, Zmax?
12:24.17ZmaxI want to use that function in a program. I need a dev package
12:24.26Kovenskywhy do I get flooded with "localhost pulseaudio[2420]: protocol-esound.c: kicked client with invalid authorization key." on syslog if I enable ESD on GNOME?
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12:24.31petemccremetorte: look into rbash
12:24.48RichiHwols: well, The Solution would obviously have to have some sort of client
12:24.51cremetorterbash ok i will google
12:24.54KovenskyZmax: try libx11-dev
12:25.05wolsRichiH: make the client openvpn and you have one worry less :)
12:25.20ZmaxKovensky: it's already installed, but I still have the problem
12:25.37abrotmanmorghanphoenix: wtf is ittybitty?
12:25.47wolsZmax: check which library provides the function. probably your xlib
12:25.57Kovenskyhmm... I don't know then; I'm not insane enough to develop for xlib :)
12:25.59wolsthen get the corresponding -dev package for the lib
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12:26.08abrotmanmorghanphoenix: oh .. uhm .. i don't have a toughbook so i can't comment
12:26.12morghanphoenixI think there's about an inch of clearance, I know my linksys card wouldn't quite fit in there and let it close.
12:26.18wolslibx11-6-dev or so. or xlibs-dev etc
12:26.18Zmaxeheh
12:26.51abrotmanmorghanphoenix: what kind of range do you need?
12:27.04Zmaxsolved installing xorg-dev :)
12:27.31RichiHwols: openvpn can tunnel, not copy data on its own
12:27.40abrotmanRichiH: yeah .. your question wasn't very well understood
12:27.53morghanphoenixNot far at all, maybe 20 yards outside, only reason I'm not going wired is so I can close the door.
12:27.59RichiHabrotman: was that due to bad wording from me?
12:28.29ZmaxIf I install libfoo, is it possible to include also libfoo-dev automatically?
12:28.39abrotmanRichiH: too many ideas in five sentences :)
12:28.47crazyfrogin my etch box,i installed a network card,but my box can not find it automatically. who can help me?thanks
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12:29.26RichiHbleh
12:29.34abrotmanmorghanphoenix: if you can't find anything .. i had a wifi AP die, and i ripped it apart and noticed the wifi bit was a pcmcia card with an antenna soldered to the leads .. but it was exactly the pcmcia slot size
12:29.39wolscrazyfrog: what network chip?
12:29.56crazyfrogrealteck 8139
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12:30.09abrotmanRichiH: you want to do distributed backup securely with windows/linux clients  AFAICT
12:30.14wolscrazyfrog: ifconfig -a
12:30.22morghanphoenixheh, interesting
12:30.25abrotmanRichiH: distributed/striped/duplicated ?
12:30.38crazyfrogthere is only lo interface
12:30.38RichiHabrotman: duplicated is the main concern
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12:31.48abrotmanRichiH: so if you could do a backup to a single server .. and rsync it to a slave ?
12:32.23abrotmani know you're trying to do this all in one .. but i'm not sure that exists
12:32.30RichiHthat would be an option, yes
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12:33.23RichiHneither
12:33.44morghanphoenixOkay, baby woke up, think she was having a nightmare or something. That would be my cue to log off now :)
12:33.48morghanphoenixG'Night
12:34.32timgoh0RichiH: Does DRBD do what you want? Or I assume you want things on a file level.
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12:34.53crazyfrogthere is any package for hardware detection
12:35.22abrotmanRichiH: apt-cache show boxbackup-server ?
12:35.41abrotmanRichiH: FWIW .. first time i've ever seen that :)
12:36.21abrotmanRichiH: and boxbackup-client
12:36.26wolscrazyfrog: lspci
12:36.28abrotmanRichiH: now .. NFC about windows clients
12:36.39wolscrazyfrog: but I asked you something
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12:38.00crazyfrogwols:when i run "ifconfig -a" there is only lo interface
12:38.25wolscrazyfrog: lsmod |grep 8139   and dmesg | grep eth
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12:38.41wolscrazyfrog: what kernel version do you run?
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12:41.03crazyfrogwols:i think the kernel is right. it used to work properly with 8139.when i changed mainboard and another 8139 network card,the problem begun
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12:42.30wolsif you don't want to answer, suit yourself, but solve then your own problems. have a nice day
12:42.40crazyfrogwols:i use 2.6.18
12:43.06wolscrazyfrog: I asked about more than that
12:43.44Kovenskyso, no ideas about those "localhost pulseaudio[2420]: protocol-esound.c: kicked client with invalid authorization key."?
12:44.29crazyfrogwols:lsmod |grep 8139   get nothing
12:44.42wolscrazyfrog: modrpobe 8139too
12:44.51wols*modprobe
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12:47.25crazyfrogwols:after "modprobe 8139too",run  "lsmod | grep 8139 "             8139too  25120  0
12:48.39wolscrazyfrog: check ifconfig -s now
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12:50.42poalocget start xvidcap. ** (xvidcap:3471): WARNING **: Unable to connect to dbus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
12:50.44poaloc** (xvidcap:3471): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_connection_register_g_object: assertion `connection != NULL' failed
12:50.46poaloc** (xvidcap:3471): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name: assertion `connection != NULL' failed
12:50.47poaloc** (xvidcap:3471): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `DBUS_IS_G_PROXY (proxy)' failed
12:50.49poalocSegmentation fault
12:51.31poaloccan't start xvidcap, with err msg as above. can anyone help?
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12:51.38cremetorteis there any good docu to rbash Oo
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12:52.53poalocxvidcap, anyone?
12:52.55asgrbash(1), bash(1)
12:54.07NeoIcedoesnt rbash like, suck?
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12:59.09cremetorteso i want to use rbash but i want my user to cd all his subdirectorys
12:59.15cremetortebut rbash does not allow this
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13:00.45asgcremetorte: you may wish to look at libpam-chroot in that case
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13:02.08cremetorteok i will inform myself
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13:12.07dpkg<js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted?
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13:14.49timgoh0"Yes, because your users will be busy distributing torches and pitchforks before they visit you"
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13:16.25aliases123_hi why isn't there a timestamp on when packages were issues to be shown within apt-cache show foo ?
13:18.26abrotmanaliases123_: huh?
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13:18.36XTZGZoReXUse aptitude anyway :P
13:19.36aliases123_i can't go and see when foo package was released.
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13:20.10XTZGZoReX*whisper* aptitude *whisper*
13:20.29abrotmanXTZGZoReX: that doens't solve his issue ..
13:21.00abrotmanaliases123_: look at the changelog
13:21.08XTZGZoReXStill, aptitude is a better tool than apt-get :)
13:21.17asgsighs
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13:22.08vadmestealiases123_, why you want know when packages are released ?
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13:22.49arikonmhi all!
13:22.50aliases123_it would be useful.
13:22.58arikonmis there a way to load a wlan driver via ndiswrapper at install ?
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13:23.21abrotmanaliases123_: so file a wishlist bug
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13:26.25wolsarikonm: put it on a usb stick and load it from there. but it's not needed for install when you use a CD or a netinst installer
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13:26.47Cutterhi
13:26.51gener1ci blacklisted sdn-pcsp
13:26.57gener1cand it still beeps
13:27.02abrotman!beep
13:27.02dpkgwell, beep is /exec -o echo -ne '\a'.  A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port, or see <bell>
13:27.04abrotmanerm ..
13:27.05Kovenskygener1c: blacklist pcspkr too
13:27.08abrotman!tell gener1c about bell
13:27.11gener1ci did that too
13:27.45Cutterif I install Debian, then Openbox on top, will it create shortcuts to the existing applications?
13:27.46gener1coops
13:27.47gener1cits snd
13:27.49gener1cnot sdn
13:27.54gener1chehe
13:27.56abrotmanimportant bit
13:28.10gener1cyeah :D
13:28.26gener1ccant be hi tech dyslexic
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13:29.48arikonmwols, so... if I understand right... I get the ndiswrapper module from eg. testing with all it's dependencies. how do I install them at install time? dpkg or apt is there?
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13:30.17wolsarikonm: yes they're there
13:30.24wolsarikonm: why from testing?
13:30.36arikonmdunno... I see it's in stable too
13:30.43arikonmok, I'll get from stable
13:30.51wolsget it for the distro you install
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13:31.12arikonmdebian, I'd like to downgrade my unstable to testing
13:31.35gener1crmmod and modprob -r are the same right?
13:31.37arikonmbut I'd like to keep that clean, so I think the easiest for my skill is to reinstall the system
13:31.39wols!downgrade
13:31.39dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.  Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
13:32.20arikonmwols, that's why I wanna make a stable minimal system install, and than dist-upgrade
13:32.39arikonmto testing
13:32.53wolsarikonm: you don't need network access to install debian btw
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13:33.39arikonmwols, won't that harm apt? or when the network is up, I'll dpkg --reconfigure it?
13:33.56wolsarikonm: it won't harm apt and you don't need to reconfigure it
13:33.58gener1cyay all the wireless interfaces are gone!!!
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13:34.06Cutterif I install Openbox on Debian, will it be fast, or should I rather install Damn Small Linux?
13:34.06gener1cim the king of the source
13:34.15CutterI have a very old comp
13:34.24wolsCutter: how much RAM?
13:34.28Cutter256
13:34.36wolsCutter: will be fine
13:35.20Kovenskyboots KDE on systems with 256 ram
13:35.28Cutterk thx
13:35.32Kovenskynotes that iceweasel doesn't survive on such a system ;)
13:35.33Cutterwhat about XFCE?
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13:35.50dudemanI used ti di wgat wutg 128nb RAM on 866MHz P3
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13:35.55CutterXubuntu runs quite bad on my comp, I thought about Debian
13:35.55dudemanfuck
13:35.59proveyourselfhi, when gimp 2.6 will be in debian sid repository?
13:35.59dudemanI used to do it with*
13:40.03aliases123_Cutter: works fine for me .
13:40.25Cutterwhat are your system specs?
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13:42.40Cutterand is debian generally more lightweight than ubuntu or is it about the same?
13:42.56abrotmanCutter: it all depends what you install
13:42.56aliases123_Cutter: depends. i find it faster and ligher.
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13:43.42abrotmanCutter: if you want to keep it slim/light .. you can do that
13:44.04abrotmanproveyourself: probably after lenny releases
13:45.00Cutterhow hard is it to install Openbox on top of a generic Debian install?
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13:45.18abrotmanaptitude install openbox xorg
13:45.21Cutterwill it create shortcuts to the existing apps?
13:45.32proveyourselfok, thanks
13:45.36abrotmanCutter: it should
13:46.52arikonmwols, is there a way to force apt to donwload packages, even if it's present, and it's at the newest version?
13:47.06arikonmwith all it's dependencies?
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13:48.36aliases123_hi how do i file a wishthing ?
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13:49.04liablewishlist bug?
13:49.11aliases123_yeah what ever it is.
13:49.24liablejust file a bug and mark it as wishlist
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13:52.39dudemanabrotman, not unless you have 'menu'
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13:55.59BauBau85hy all
13:56.05BauBau85can somebody help  me pls
13:56.10BauBau85how can i upgrade the kernel of a thecus n1200 without a serial cable? ON MY OWN RISK
13:56.19BauBau85using the ssh login
13:56.50BauBau85pls
13:57.01abrotmandoes it run debian ?
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13:58.35BauBau85no
13:58.35stewBauBau85: apt-cache search -n linux-image ; pick one, "aptitude install linux-image-$version"
13:58.42BauBau85i have the original firmware
13:58.54stewBauBau85: if it doesn't run debian, we have no idea, you should be in a channel for your distribution
13:59.08BauBau85i  have downloaded the original gpl code and recopile the kernel
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14:12.32vadmestewhat's happened ?
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14:12.32JyZyXELeveryone just suddenly found debian
14:12.32timgoh0asg: Or a tard.
14:12.32asgtimgoh0: probably took a major hub offline to play nethack online
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14:13.34timgoh0asg: Possibly.
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14:14.09timgoh0"I ascended on niven!"
14:14.21asgall I got was a leaky frobnitz
14:17.13timgoh0asg: You got a frobnitz? I got cheap lantern and a plastic sword.
14:17.34jelly-hometimgoh0: [niven] you dirty thing!
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14:30.33BauBau85what is flashcp?
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14:32.44asgat a guess, I'd say 'flash copy'. However, since you aren't running debian, I suggest you consult the folks in #linux
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14:35.14dudemanis there anyway to make flash stuff in linux/debian?
14:36.18abrotmanphp
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14:36.37asgdudeman: you can do simple flash stuff with oo impress
14:36.42abrotmanor use svg
14:37.06asgor F4L
14:37.19emssmplayer/mencoder can encode flash I think
14:37.22dudemanwell, ok, so forget flash.  Any util to create animations on the web without using animated gifs?
14:37.39timgoh0dudeman: Clever application of javascript?
14:37.42timgoh0</evil>
14:37.43dudeman(not really sure if this is related to a debian package in existence or somewher eon #webdevelopment)
14:37.55abrotmandudeman: svg
14:38.12dudemanabrotman, I'll look into it, and oo.o as well
14:38.44dudemantimgoh0, javascript can do that? hmm... /join #javascript
14:39.37timgoh0dudeman: Yes, but it is more evil than gif.
14:40.07dudemanThe 'animate' element is used to animate a single attribute or property over time. For example, to make a rectangle repeatedly fade away over 5 seconds, you can specify:
14:40.28dudemanfuck javascript, according to w3 all recent and most browsers in general support SVG
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14:40.53dudemanI'll have to really check this svg thing out
14:40.54MXIIAIs it possible to get inspircd and atheme confs under webmin ?
14:41.08wols!webmin
14:41.08dpkgwebmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
14:41.15dudemanMXIIA, webmin is not supported
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14:41.23dudemanhere.
14:41.44MXIIAok
14:41.51dudeman<animate attributeType="CSS" attributeName="opacity"  from="1" to="0" dur="5s" repeatCount="indefinite" />
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14:41.54dudemanbeautiful...
14:41.55abrotmandudeman: also ... PNG does animations .. but not all browsers support it correctly
14:42.05dudemanabrotman, I did not know that
14:42.09abrotmanwell . same for svg i suppose
14:42.25abrotmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG
14:42.35dudemanabrotman, cool.  thank you
14:42.37abrotmanwhich oddly .. only works correctly in opera on my box ..
14:42.58dudemanI was interested in a cross browser solution with minimal effort
14:43.17abrotmanapng fails on IW3 and epiphany-gecko
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14:44.22dudemanI think I'll try svg in the usual browsers and see if it holds up
14:44.37b0rsukHey, I swapped mobos on my Sarge system. From SIS to Asus A7N8X. Network is broken. How to reconfigure net ?
14:44.44b0rsukThere's no eth0 .
14:45.15b0rsukz25
14:45.22abrotmansarge?
14:45.56b0rsukYes, sarge, because newer Debians/Ubuntus don't install on that thing. Installation process fails at partitioning stage.
14:46.03dudemanTim Berners-Lee, creator of the Web and Director of W3C, said in an interview, published on MSNBC that Microsoft Internet Explorer is behind all the other browsers since it has no SVG support (except via an unsupported plugin).
14:46.11wolsabrotman: don't you love that bullshit? :)
14:46.13dudeman*sigh* thats not good...
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14:46.22abrotmandudeman: it does now .. how old is that?
14:46.34dudemanabrotman, oh.. its from http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/
14:46.34abrotmanwols: which bullshit ?
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14:46.39wolsabrotman: IE6 doesn't and there still are enough of those out there
14:46.43dudeman2008-09-12
14:46.48wolsabrotman: what b0rsuk said
14:46.48dudemanfairly recently
14:46.51abrotmanwols: to hell with them :)
14:46.55abrotmanwols: ah ok
14:46.57b0rsukI thought I could remap those interfaces using udev, but... there's no udev !
14:47.14dudemanupdated 5:55 p.m. ET, Wed., Sept. 10, 2008
14:47.23abrotmanIE7 has it .. ie6 does not
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14:48.01b0rsukwols: You promised to /ignore me.
14:48.07dudemanwhat are some svg designer packages in debian?
14:48.21amphidudeman: inkscape
14:48.42dudemanamphi, yo
14:48.51abrotmani would hope kde has something too
14:48.54b0rsukwols: I'm not a hypocrite, unlike you. Therefore: /ignore wols
14:49.00abrotmanb0rsuk: stop already
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14:49.01dudemanlet me ask
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14:49.12veganlionhow do i edit startup daemons in debian?
14:49.20abrotmanb0rsuk: sarge wouldn't have a udev that does that .. does dmesg see an network card at all ?
14:49.22wolsveganlion: update-rc.d or rcconf
14:49.54dudemanp   openclipart-svg                                                                                    - clip art in SVG format
14:50.12b0rsukabrotman: I'm not sure. I quickly scanned dmesg and didn't notice anything. What kind of message should I look for ?
14:50.18dudemansweet! I didn't even think of that... I wonder how many free packages there are on the web
14:50.20veganlionwols: thx
14:50.37abrotmanb0rsuk: something about "eth"
14:50.46dudemanpdf2svg <-- dude.. cool
14:50.52abrotmanew
14:51.06dudemanhow come ew?
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14:54.02maloshHi. Has someone managed to get debian to boot from a firewire disk on a macbook ?
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14:54.54Sal9000malosh: try ubuntu. mac users choose ubuntu cause it's cool. debian is lame.
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14:55.28maloshok, but that's not the problem. My firewire external disk won't boot anyway, even with ubuntu.
14:55.55maloshand, ubuntu is cool but I don't want of a cool system, I really need a minimal system with debian packages on it
14:56.57b0rsukabrotman: No mention of 'eth' in dmesg.
14:57.10b0rsukOnly something about tunneling.
14:57.14cahootmalosh: like this? http://www.howtoforge.com/boot_debian_from_external_firewire
14:57.16dudemandamn... svg is freakin awesome
14:57.21abrotmanb0rsuk: sonds like it's not detected
14:58.06b0rsukabrotman: What would it take to make it detect the network card ? Load the proper modules ? I know the mobo model, I could google it...
14:58.27maloshcahoot : Oooh ! I've been trying to do this for two days, and I already tried this howto, sorry
14:58.33b0rsukIt _should_  be easiest to just do a fresh install, but alas, it's not :<
14:58.43abrotmanb0rsuk: not being on sarge owuld probably help
14:58.52maloshnow I would prefer to find a boot cd to start a firewire disk, if possible
14:58.59valdynmalosh: what about network booting?
14:59.06b0rsukabrotman: Could you send me a non-SATA cd/dvd drive ? ;-)
14:59.10valdynmalosh: or do macs not support that either?
14:59.13maloshvaldyn : (it is a macbook)
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14:59.47maloshvaldyn : no, there is a special replacement of bios on macs that makes this hard (probably impossible)
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15:00.14maloshand this EFI thing is not supported well by any linux distro yet
15:00.34abrotmanb0rsuk: how is that related?
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15:00.48valdyngrub2 supports efi i guess
15:01.13phuzionI recently installed cacti using apt-get.  During the installation, something came up, so I cancelled the install half way through, and decided to come back to it.  Now it isn't running the install script, and I want to install it again.  What do I have to do to get apt-get to invoke the install script?
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15:02.05timgoh0phuzion: dpkg-reconfigure cacti?
15:02.08abrotmanb0rsuk: did you try the lenny daily netinst ?
15:02.22b0rsukabrotman: I can't simply install etch/lenny in there because SATA drives cause ugly problems in Debian/ubuntu installer. It doesn't get past partitioning.
15:02.40b0rsukabrotman: lenny, yes, a while ago.
15:02.54b0rsukI think it may be easier to just find someone with an old CD drive.
15:02.55abrotmannot awhile ago .. the daily .. as in .. the one made yesterday
15:03.02phuziontimgoh0, command not found
15:03.05b0rsukabrotman: Deffinitely not :-)
15:03.23abrotmanmaybe you should
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15:06.46timgoh0phuzion: Are you using debian?
15:06.54phuzionYes
15:07.01timgoh0Do you have a /usr/sbin/dpkg-*?
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15:07.28phuzionAh, thanks
15:07.44phuzionFor some reason, it wasn't picking it up without the preceding /usr/sbin
15:07.51jelly-homephuzion: root usually has /usr/sbin in PATH
15:07.59phuzionAh
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15:11.56testiI want to capture an http-request, but i can't do it with wireshark because it's ssl-encrypted. Which browsers support displaying the request
15:12.45timgoh0testi: wget?
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15:13.43testitimgoh0: wget is not a browser as far as i know
15:13.43vadmestetimgoh0, testi said "capture"
15:13.43abrotmanblames timgoh0
15:13.44timgoh0testi: More specifically wget -S
15:13.44timgoh0Ah, request.
15:13.44timgoh0I read headers.
15:13.48testi:D
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15:13.55timgoh0wireshark has a ssl disector.
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15:14.53timgoh0testi: You will need the server private key and possibly a recompile.
15:15.30timgoh0testi: Though IIRC the firebug plugin for firefox allowed you to see the request.
15:15.43testifirebug plugin
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15:16.50timgoh0http://getfirebug.com/
15:16.54telmichnarf, debians kernels are too old for the compass 885 umts card and 5300agn wireless card
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15:18.09timgoh0testi: I think it's under "network monitoring"
15:18.14asgtimgoh0: did you push the wrong button?
15:18.36timgoh0asg?
15:18.40asgnevermind
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15:18.45timgoh0asg: I was referring to firebug.
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15:19.37timgoh0I'm tired, and sleepy.
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15:20.03hjbHi. I've got trouble with acpid
15:20.31hjbI'm trying to investigate this further
15:21.38hjbQuestion: is there *any* way to enable acpids' -d debug option *without* acpid staying in foreground afterwards?
15:21.59telmichstrange, I do not see support for the 5300AGN in 2.6.26.5
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15:24.56asghjb: just run it in screen and detatch the screen session.
15:24.59hjbhmm, to answer myself: i'll try start-stop-daemons -b option
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15:25.53hjbasg hmm, i've forgot to add: i need to investigate excactly the acpid process started from the boots' init script calls
15:26.07hjbasg else i would do what you've said :-)
15:26.16asgah, fair enough
15:26.41hjbasg do you think the -b option to start-stop-daemon will do the trick?
15:27.12asgworth a shot
15:27.40hjbasg ok :-)
15:28.21asgif that doesn't work, you could modify the init.d script to start it via screen
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15:28.52hjbasg right, but i fear that in that case the problem i've got with acpid doesn't show up any more
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15:29.17hjbasg oh, actual problem is: after the first event received after boot up, acpid dies
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15:29.29hjbasg without leaving any hints in syslog
15:30.03hjbasg after a manual restart (/etc/init.d/acpid start as root) it keeps working and working and working....
15:30.04asghjb: you could try starting it with 'strace' to log the system calls
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15:30.51hjbasg oh, good idea. I'll try if enabling debugging doesn't give me a clue
15:31.02asghjb: also, check the bts. It might be a known problem.
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15:31.49maheshHi
15:32.20maheshI downloaded debian lenny cd 1 from debian.org
15:32.51maheshBut the default installation of the gnome is missing
15:33.23maheshI selected desktop also from the list while installation
15:33.37hjbasg hmm, good idea: there's a bug which sounds related, althought i don't understand the modification the reporter is talking about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493610
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15:34.56hjbasg forget about the "don't understand" part :-) i've read it a second time
15:35.26hjbasg seems to be a more general problem as i haven't modified anythink
15:35.39wols!tell mahesh about install gnome
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15:36.27acuI am using Debian Lenny Kernel 2.6.21 on a AMD64 with KDE3.5.9 - KOPETE shows my webcam but does NOT SHOW SOUND - can anyone help ?
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15:38.26sajesacu: You can't see sound.
15:39.43acusajes: there is no SOUND from Kopete - and you cannot see  it if you go to KOPETE - Settings - Configure - DEvices - there I can see only my webcam -but not any Sound
15:39.54abrotmanacu: your kernel is out of date
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15:40.23maheshwols:I can install gnome manually  after rebooting from the base installer(d-i) , But if i selected desktop environment also in base installer(d-i) ,But the disc 1 is able to setup a basic desktop, rite ?
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15:41.28wolsmahesh: it should, but lenny is not stable yet. it hasbugs
15:41.29acuabrotman: sorry for the mistake the kernel is 2.6.26-1-AMD64
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15:43.55maheshOk, Then it's may be bug with d-i ?
15:43.58Slingjust got screen, want to mess around with it
15:44.07Slingbut there was no ~/.screenrc
15:44.23Slingand after making one, it doesnt seem to have any effect
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15:46.08weileshi i have loaded all modules i could for my dvb-c card (technotrend 1501) with the saa7146 driver, but i don't get the dmesg information about a)loading the firmware or failing to load, b) loading the dvb frontend driver and c) i don't get any /dev devices of course
15:46.12weilesany help?
15:46.20weilesi am on lenny amd64 here
15:46.43weileshave had a look at the vdr wiki but couldn't find the problem
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15:47.19DexterFhi
15:47.32DexterFso there's no webmin in debian. is webmin considered evil somehow?
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15:50.13tommhow is sshd_config generated on etch? according to dpkg -S, it's not part of the openssh-server package.
15:50.15abrotman!tell DexterF about webmin
15:50.31abrotmantomm: look at openssh-server.postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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15:52.39tommabrotman: thanks, i see... is there any hint in the package database about this config file?
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15:54.11sigjuiceis there a way to sort packages by install date?
15:55.42acuI found that Kopete has no sound - by the way I installed the svn EKIGA 3.01 (Lenny comes with 2.something which is close to non functional ) the difference is HUGE - I know that Lenny is too close to release to use EKIGA 3.0 but those who want - is certainly very different than previous versions :)
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15:58.17DexterFabrotman: any alternative?
15:58.39HNSZI get this error message, no common cdrom drive was detected, on the netinst.  I get is with dvd and cdrom.
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15:59.31HNSZNow I have to provide drivers on a floppydrive which I dont have.
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16:01.28liableHNSZ: thats a common problem that i have never found the correct anser for. acpi=off as a kernel parameter has worked for some
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16:02.35HNSZWHere do I give that parameter=
16:02.38[1]Elite|Jetihey guys is there a list of bash tools out there for debian etch?
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16:03.04liableHNSZ: at the very start, the advanced menu iirc
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16:05.06ZmaxHi all. I want to install python2.4-gtk2 but apt-get selects python-gtk2 instead of it. How can I select python2.4-gtk2 manually?
16:05.21biopyteFn-F5 doesnt turn on Bluetooth anymore (t61/lenny). always used to work fine. are there issues with 2.26.1 ...?
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16:06.32Elite|JetiZmax: can you go apt-get python2.4-gtk2?
16:06.50Zmaxyes, but it installs python-gtk2 instead of it
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16:06.57Zmaxs/installs/selects
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16:07.15Zmaxfor some version reasons I need 2.4
16:07.32HNSZliable: WOuld It work If I got a full install cd?
16:07.43abrotmantomm: not that i know of
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16:07.50abrotmanDexterF: none i would use or endorse
16:07.53liableHNSZ: i dont think it would make any difference :(
16:08.09wolsZmax: what debian do you use?
16:08.12abrotmanZmax: what's wrong with that?
16:08.58HNSZliable: Wow my laptop really really hates linux. Either that or the other way around.
16:09.00Zmaxabrotman: I'm compiling a package and che configure says: "checking for pygtk 2.8.0 installed for python 2.4... not found"
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16:09.18abrotmanZmax: you're installing the wrong package
16:09.21liableHNSZ: you could try the usb installer
16:09.27abrotmanZmax: it wants like python2.4-gtk2-dev or something like that
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16:09.54wolswhat debian version is this?
16:09.55HNSZliable: I did. On instructions of pendrive.com Cant find the image.
16:10.05liableHNSZ: sec
16:10.11Zmaxabrotman: python2.4-gtk2-dev does not exist. python-gtk2-dev exists but the same error occurs
16:10.21wolsZmax: what debian do you use?
16:10.53tommabrotman: scanning *postrm gives an idea, at least; actually I'm looking for a source that is parsable, any ideas?
16:10.57HNSZliable: Also ubuntu and fedora installers didnt have a problem with my cdrom/dvd. But guess what? They cant handle my videocrad.
16:11.10wolsHNSZ: what mainboard?
16:11.11HNSZReally getting desparate here
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16:11.28HNSZHi wols
16:11.36HNSZ^_^
16:11.39z3v44hi
16:11.39liableHNSZ: try keep at it, you'll get it sorted eventually :)
16:11.40abrotmantomm: what are you actually trying to do?
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16:11.49wolsdon't hi me, answer my question instead
16:12.02HNSZlol
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16:12.07liabledont be such a gumpy bastard
16:12.13abrotmandon't be so lol
16:12.19HNSZwols: Be nice please.
16:12.22liablehehe?
16:12.31wolsif you don't want help, suit yourself. good day
16:12.42HNSZwols: Totally uncalled for
16:12.43Zmaxwols: I am using Ubuntu, but the question is the same
16:12.51wolsZmax: it's not. goodbye
16:12.56pngwnheh
16:13.07abrotmantomm: the openssh-server.postinst has the default sshd_config in it
16:13.13sigjuicewell, grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log does it for me
16:13.18abrotmanZmax: go to #ubuntu
16:13.21tommabrotman: I'm trying to get a list of config files on my system that have been changed, i.e. are not identical to the ones installed by the package once upon a time
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16:13.32pngwnZmax, try #ubuntu
16:13.38abrotmantomm: debsums ... but some are generated .. not part of the package
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16:13.52liableHNSZ: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz  thats the usb image. see the istall guide for using it
16:13.55Zmaxwols: read my question, it's the same because my question talks about apt-get
16:13.59HNSZwols:I think you really have a terrible personality. I get flamed for saying hi and asking you to be nice.
16:13.59abrotmanZmax: go to #ubuntu
16:14.10tommdctrl-tools (grep-status) helps a lot, but since the package database does not list every config file, I'm a little stuck
16:14.11wolsabrotman: debconf knows when something was chagned (makes them file.dpkg.old or such). how does it do it?
16:14.31liabletimestamps i would imagine
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16:14.38ghostdogWhy even bother "asking" someone to be nice?
16:14.38liableor md5sum
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16:14.51ghostdogWhat is this? Kindergarden?
16:14.52Zmaxabrotman: I should go to #apt-get but it does not exist
16:14.55wolsghostdog: he likes to waste time instead of solving his problems
16:15.03ghostdogMr Rogers Neighborhood?
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16:15.18abrotmanZmax: that is not our problem .. go to #ubuntu
16:15.19wolsghostdog: that's #ubuntu what you are describing
16:15.28HNSZliable: Thanks. That can only be created from debian(not windows) correct?
16:15.30ghostdoglol
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16:15.44abrotmanwols: that has to be part of the package control scripts AFAIK ..
16:15.46Si1ver1ock<PROTECTED>
16:15.48ghostdogI didn't think Ubuntu users had ever heard of IRC
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16:16.02ghostdogs/ever/even/
16:16.06abrotmanghostdog: drop it
16:16.14MiougeHi
16:16.20ghostdogDrop what?
16:16.29Zmaxabrotman: do you use apt-get?
16:16.42liableHNSZ: you need to zcat it to the usb stick, i suppose theres a windows program that can do so. you might have better luck on the debian-users list. this channel seems a bit anal tonight
16:16.44abrotmanZmax: ask #ubuntu .. or ##linux .. your question is offtopic here
16:16.45wolsghostdog: you are ot
16:16.52Zmaxwhy?
16:16.58Si1ver1ocki think maybe good chanel might be #debian-social
16:17.02ghostdogot? Of topic?
16:17.19wolsZmax: we do not support ubuntu, period. you won't get any help here
16:17.21abrotmanZmax: because you're using ubuntu and they gave you your packages and your apt
16:17.30abrotmanSi1ver1ock: #debian-offtopic
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16:17.58ZmaxThe question involvs apt-get NOT the distro.
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16:18.03Zmaxinvolves*
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16:18.17abrotmanZmax: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
16:18.24Miougei'm building an iso with simple-cdd but the packages in the default.packages aren't installed (but are on the iso), wtf ?
16:18.31ghostdogLOL
16:18.37abrotman!tell ghostdog about lol
16:18.40ghostdogFeel the power
16:18.47wolsghostdog: careful, you are offtopic too...
16:18.53liablehehe
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16:19.21Si1ver1ockabrotman i thik you are a bad moderator, is there anyone we can complaing to?
16:19.24liablei must have missed something.
16:19.31ghostdogI definitely am. It's a Saturday after a long week... cut me some slack.
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16:20.16abrotmanSi1ver1ock: you can complain to other ops
16:20.26EmleyMooris right in the middle of installing lenny on his brand new machine
16:21.03Si1ver1ockthis uded to be a free and easy place to hang out, gone donw hill like so many things
16:21.20wolsSi1ver1ock: whine in #debian-offtopic please. or do you have a debian related question?
16:21.22EmleyMoor5 mins package downloading to go
16:21.45ghostdogHow stable/usable is the testing branch?
16:22.07vadmesteEmleyMoor, please don't mention unnecessary information
16:22.11abrotmanghostdog: it's nearing release .. it's decently stable, there are still bugs, and security issues .. okay for a desktop/laptop, not a server
16:22.16wolsghostdog: many people use it for a long time now, but there are no guarantees whatsoever at all
16:22.32EmleyMoorghostdog: I've found it pretty good
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16:22.47Si1ver1ockabsolutly, why are debian ops such facist pigs?
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16:23.07abrotmanSi1ver1ock: then don't stay here .. no one is making you
16:23.25liableSi1ver1ock: no point working yourself up. usually ends badly
16:24.14Si1ver1ocki used to like #deian, bur if you have become a bunch of procks why should i care if i am bannned?
16:24.45abrotmanSi1ver1ock: please take this to #debian-offtopic
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16:25.00ghostdogInstalling a non-release on a production server is silly. I'm about to plop it on some old laptop I dug up
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16:26.10ghostdogAs far as security issues go, is it just not updated as often?
16:26.20abrotmanit has no guarantee
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16:26.24abrotman!tell ghostdog about testing security
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16:26.34liableneither does stable
16:27.03abrotmani suppose testing has even less!
16:27.04liableso it tells me everytime i log in ;)
16:27.23ghostdogGracias
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16:28.26MrWaxis there any tool in debian with which one can check in which country an ip is located ?
16:28.38abrotmanwhois
16:29.09EmleyMoorjwhois is even more useful I find
16:29.25abrotmanit may not be 100% .. but it's a start
16:29.29hjbMrWax geoip-bin
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16:29.39liableEmleyMoor: what does it do more than whois?
16:30.23EmleyMoorWorks out the exact server to query for full information all by itself
16:31.03MrWaxhjb: thanks
16:31.46hjbMrWax it even shows you which city the ip is located :-) and it's astonishingly accurate
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16:33.24hjbMrWax Oh sorry, it doesn't show the city
16:33.58hjbMrWax But i think libgeoip provided city information, too. Maybe the command line tool isn't able to retrieve it
16:34.49liabletraceroute shows the last pop, so it should be able to narrow it down fairly well
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16:35.43EmleyMoorSomeone used a geographic IP lookup on me at work once - but it was miles out - it thought I was in the Canary Islands
16:35.52xandthey are useless
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16:37.57MrWaxhjb: ok nice
16:38.27MrWaxhjb: libgeoip - cannot find that package
16:39.04hjbMrWax forget about city lookup if you won't be willing to pay $$ for that database from maxmind.com :-/
16:39.11MrWaxok
16:39.49hjbMrWax If you want that feature, you could try asking sites like http://www.ip-adress.com/
16:40.27MrWaxnah, country + network name is okay for me
16:41.21hjbEmleyMoor xand That may depend on the country you're from. Here where i live most of the time the right city or some in a rage of about 50km gets piked
16:41.50hjbBut whats right is that you shouldn't depend on that data solely
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16:51.02mmmdfHey
16:51.04mmmdfdrwxr-xr-x
16:51.07MrWaxhjb: how does this geoip-bin works?
16:51.07mmmdfWhat is the number?
16:51.11mmmdf0655?
16:51.24wolsMrWax: read the description of geoip-bin
16:51.39wolsmmmdf: 755
16:52.41mmmdfthanks
16:52.42mmmdfwold
16:52.50hjbMrWax geoiplookup <ip>
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17:00.02Elevator_HazardAwe why can't I rename a printer through the cups.conf so that it doesn't have HP_ in the name? once I take that part out it doesn't show up as a printer. I need to do this because I reformatted my server and I'd rather not edit every computer on the network to use a different printer than before.
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17:06.20cahootElevator_Hazard: you edit the entry between < and > ?
17:06.23karlpincWhat are the /dev/dm-* devices?  I suspect lvm but can't find any docs.
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17:10.18Elevator_Hazardcahoot: I got it, I had to rename the info part too so it didn't have HP in it but I thought info was just the human readable description? eh w/e something I did made it work
17:11.36cockroach.msg dpkg ipw3945
17:11.38cockroachd'oh
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17:14.37karlpincAllright....  The dm-N devices correspond to lvm logical volumes -- according to the device numbers shown by ls and lvmdisplay.  But where can I rtfm?
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17:19.24honwhich browser does "sensible-browser" call?
17:19.38vadmestehon, lol
17:20.14honis it supposed to call "x-www-browser" or "www-browser"? It is weird that  calls none here.
17:20.22honvadmeste: wtf?
17:20.58honvadmeste: are you a bored lonely troll?
17:21.12vadmesteno I am sorry
17:21.15vadmestei have to quit now
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17:28.08bewpyanyone here? i went to downlaod debian, is there really like 20 cd's you have to download?
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17:28.44farhad_hfhi all
17:29.11avubewpy, no
17:29.25liablebewpy: take a look at the install guide. it explains what you need
17:29.49bewpyhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ which one do i pick then
17:29.51unopbewpy, to install the base system and the desktop - the first one suffices
17:29.58bewpyok
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17:29.59bewpythanks
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17:30.04avubewpy, really, look at the install guide
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17:33.23farhad_hfi am trying to remove openoffice , but i cant , i tried with apt-get remove openoffice.org-writer and aptitude remove but they had errors , so i tried to remove it with dpkg -r --force-a openoffice.org-writer in /var/cach/apt/archive but it gives me an error like atitude , http://paste.ubuntu.com/53883/
17:34.11abrotmanfarhad_hf: which version of debian ?
17:34.53farhad_hfabrotman: debian lenny with sid and experimental repositories for kde4
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17:40.10farhad_hfany adeas?
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17:41.13nanderssonHow can I replace make with ant when making a .deb-file? I.e - what are the dependencies and what's the entry in the debian/rules file?
17:41.28abrotmanfarhad_hf: put a set -x at the top of the postrm scripts .. see where they're failing
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17:43.45valdynnandersson: executing "debian/rules binary" and more need to work for building the deb, theres no one forcing you to use make
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17:44.18liablethe rules file defines it at the top
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17:44.25mike-ekimis ther ea way to boot live from a usb key installation media
17:44.37mike-ekimonly options i see when i hit f1 on the menu are installation related
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17:44.52nanderssonvaldyn, Ok, I just put the "ant" in the rules file then. Thanks!
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17:50.06farhad_hfabrotman: how can i do that?
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17:50.30abrotmanfarhad_hf: with a text editor
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17:50.56Maliutatext editor? whats wrong with magnets and the drive platters? ;P
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17:51.19adnchello, what can be done with all those brute force attacks we find out and ban? should these tries reported to the abuse address of the ip owner?
17:51.58pettalsHi,
17:51.58pettalsI installed debian etch in my latop which has a scsi cdrom (firmware -: nx09), manufactured by .
17:51.58pettalsWhile installing debian from the cddrive, it autodetected and went fine but after the first installation,
17:51.58pettalsthe cdrom drive is not accessible. Can somebody please help? I am getting "Unable to mount cdrom". I am runing kernel version 2.6.18-6-486
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17:53.01pettalshi, I installed debian etch in my latop which has a scsi cdrom (firmware -: nx09), manufactured by .
17:53.01pettalsWhile installing debian from the cddrive, it autodetected and went fine but after the first installation,
17:53.01pettalsthe cdrom drive is not accessible.
17:53.02Maliutaadnc: just run something like fail2ban and lock those IP's out
17:53.17adncMaliuta: i do this already
17:53.30pettalsi am using linux kernel 2.6.18-6-486
17:53.43Maliutaadnc: technically you can report them to abuse@ ... but the reality is 0.000001% is about the maximum that would do anything
17:53.45abrotmanpettals: look through 'dmesg' .. see if it says anything useful
17:53.45adncMaliuta: but these computers are obviously zimbies, or hijacked
17:54.02abrotman!tell adnc about fail2ban
17:54.04adncMaliuta: how do you manage all this logintries
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17:54.21pettalsabortman:i have looked thru the dmesg, there's no mention of cdrom, i can paste it , if u want to glance through it.
17:54.24adncabrotman: thankyou i use already successfull fail2ban
17:54.28abrotmanok
17:54.29Maliutaadnc: I used to just block entire netblocks for spamming or worms or what ever
17:54.35abrotmanpettals: nothing at all? please paste
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17:54.47adncthe entire netblock? thats also a good idea
17:54.48abrotman!paste
17:54.48dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:54.59Maliutaadnc: I have constant tail of various logs running, and I use fail2ban with custom regex and jails
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17:55.22adncit doesnt take an end, any server on the net is under permanennt attack
17:55.34abrotmanadnc: change your ssh port
17:55.37Maliutaadnc: the tails just let me know what is happening
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17:55.41pettalsis there any site where i can paste the content
17:55.46adncabrotman: ok that is also a good idea, i will do this
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17:56.02adncMaliuta: can you tell me a bit more on how you do manage your logging
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17:56.26Maliutaadnc: get pro-active, start whois'ing some of the networks and blocking the whole block (/16 or /8 if you have too)
17:56.32Maliutaadnc: I do it manually
17:56.32Samuel-NotAFKSome horrible program called unetbooin has caused my root partition to be 100% full!
17:56.41Maliutaadnc: I am seriously old school
17:56.56adnci see
17:57.06Maliutaadnc: there is no real replacement for a pair of human eyes that know what they are looking at
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17:57.17MaliutaI tend to use per DC logging hosts
17:57.19adncMaliuta: i understand
17:57.23pettalsabortman:i have pasted it here : http://paste-it.net/public/y6d4ba7/
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17:57.46Maliutaadnc: things like syn proxies on the firewall help avoid syn flood attacks on services
17:57.47adnci'm running a vserver and i have no iptables like firewall, i block by using deny host. is this a bad alternative
17:58.09adncMaliuta: i can not find anything to pro-active
17:58.26abrotmanpettals: you have two CPUs ?
17:58.27Maliutaadnc: the best is to block things at a proper firewall point, iptables is better
17:58.41pettalsdual core
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17:58.49adncMaliuta: i can not make use of iptables
17:58.54abrotmanpettals: install the -686 or -k7 or -amd64 kernel (i'd use -686) .. it's only sseeing one CPU
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17:59.10Maliutaadnc: being proactive means doing things like larger investigation of attack vectors and patterns and responding to them
17:59.15pettalsok, but will it solve the cdrom drive problem
17:59.42adncMaliuta: i see, you are saying that i should more interfear via the logs
17:59.47abrotmanno
17:59.47pettalsi have amdathlon dual core
17:59.56abrotmanpettals: lsscsi .. can you see your cd drive?
18:00.01shingouzjust picking your brains at the moment: remember the msdos doublespace utility? is there some neat-o tool i can use to access a doublespaced drive with debian? google seems to find things like something called DMSDOS and thsfs but i have no idea if they are still working on anything even remotely recent
18:00.02abrotmanpettals: i'd still use -686
18:00.02pettalsno
18:00.13abrotmanlsscsi doesn't see it either ?
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18:00.24pettalsyes
18:00.24Maliutaadnc: so reporting things you think might get dealt with (smaller ISP's /hosting firms etc), blocking more than just the IP that attempted a hack (and I mean just blind dropping all packets from large netblocks)
18:00.30abrotmanis the CD on a PCI controller? does lspci see the conttroller?
18:00.33pettalsonly disk drives are shown
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18:00.51shingouzabrotman: a dualcore does not need smp support in the kernel?
18:01.07Maliutaadnc: if you are using fail2ban you have the ability to get HOST, NETBLOCK whois and log file segments in each report
18:01.11pettalsi am running on windows now actually, so couldn't check the output...
18:01.14Maliutaadnc: make better use of the tools
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18:01.31Maliutaadnc: host.deny is the weakest block method available to you
18:01.34pettalscan u tell me the commands that i need to check, i would post it in 5 minutes and back to the forum
18:01.38abrotmanshingouz: sure it does ... but the -686 in etch has it
18:01.43adncMaliuta: i get fail2ban to report with whois and a portion of the log send to me and ban the host
18:01.51pettalsas there's no way of running linux from windows
18:01.53abrotmanpettals: lspci .. lsscsi .. look to see if the devices are there
18:02.02Maliutaadnc: done properly fail2ban can even stop port scanners
18:02.02adncMaliuta: but do i have an other alternative with a virtualized server?
18:02.12shingouzi see. i have been doing other things too long, i am a bit out of date abrotman :)
18:02.22pettalsabortman: is there any other command to see thru
18:02.36abrotmanshingouz: it's okay
18:02.46abrotmanpettals: that's a start ..
18:02.52Maliutaadnc: iptables is always an option on linux servers, or customise a response that lets your real firewall block things
18:02.55pettalsfine
18:02.55shingouzno it's not but i cannot help it right now.....
18:02.55adncMaliuta: i do like fail2ban since this is the only tool i can make use of
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18:03.14adncMaliuta: but iptables can not be used on a virtual linux can it?
18:03.39Maliutaadnc: depends on who built the kernel you are running
18:03.48Maliutamy vps server is using iptables
18:03.55adncMaliuta: it is a host i rent the vps on
18:03.57Maliutait's a xen vps with linode
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18:04.17adncMaliuta: i do not know what is behind since it is rent, i just know that it is xen
18:04.56Maliutaadnc: so look in /proc for the config and see if iptables is configured
18:05.08Maliutaor just run iptables (install it if you have to)
18:05.14Maliutayou'll soon know
18:05.38adncFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
18:05.47adnciptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
18:05.50adncand i'm root
18:05.54Maliutaand if you can't I'd be moving hosting providers or making them give you a better solution (like a way to put blocks on their firewalls)
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18:06.27Maliutaadnc: did you run "iptables -L"?
18:06.28adncMaliuta: do you know of a good alternative hosting provider with a debian based linux?
18:06.35adncMaliuta: yes i did -L
18:06.47Maliutaadnc: I use linode (www.linnode.com)
18:06.57Maliutadecent xen vps solutions
18:07.08Maliutawith debian available
18:07.10farhad_hfabrotman: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
18:07.12adncdo you know how expensive they are and what memory they give
18:07.17adncMaliuta: cool
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18:07.24abrotmanfarhad_hf: yes
18:07.24Maliutaadnc: go look
18:07.47Maliutaadnc: they are alright pricewise, up to you as to if they suit you
18:07.55adnclinnode.com doesnt work
18:08.01adncit is a domainreserve
18:08.25Maliutahttp://www.linode.com/
18:08.26adncah not linnode, linode
18:08.30adncMaliuta: thank you
18:09.15Maliutait's 4am, I've been up for almost 24 hours, and at a club from 10pm to 3:30am ... gimme a break :P
18:09.39adncMaliuta: thank you very much
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18:13.47karlpincLately I've been getting errors in dmesg (and no where else) like: EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): ext3_readdir: directory #657516 contains a hole at
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18:14.53karlpincoffset 4096     The offsets are all either 4096 or 8192.  Anybody have a clue as to what's happening?  I suspect hardware, but I ran 2 passes of badblocks on the drive when I installed it a month ago.
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18:15.36karlpincThis is etch.
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18:16.34karlpincShould I try running badblocks again?
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18:17.39valdynkarlpinc: again?
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18:17.58karlpincvaldyn : It's discouraging.  I could try another kernel...
18:18.13valdynkarlpinc: hardware issues will not  just show issues on the fs level but on the i/o layer level
18:18.14adncMaliuta: still here, i just wonder if it would be huge security risc to rewrite sshd to print also the passwords tried to the log, which would also print mine to it
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18:18.52valdynkarlpinc: you should use fsck after/if  badblocks complete w/o errors
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18:19.07karlpincvaldyn : This is the only sort of message I get.  Nothing on the consle at all.  (There is another fs message that says it's remounting ro.)
18:19.31valdynkarlpinc: so the fs is broken, not the hardware
18:19.44karlpincvaldyn : Yah.  I'm wondering if I shouldn't just do "badblocks -w" and restore from backup.
18:19.59valdynkarlpinc: up to you
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18:20.07karlpincvaldyn : I hope it's not hardware.  But I just forced a fsck yesterday.  So why the bad fs?
18:20.21valdynkarlpinc: how would i know that?
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18:20.44karlpincvaldyn : You're the Internet. You know everything.  ;-)
18:20.58valdynkarlpinc: i cant know why you broke your fs
18:21.15LeoDingwhat's time publish lenny ? I wait long time ...
18:21.24valdynLeoDing: wait some more
18:21.30valdyn!wwlr
18:21.30dpkgLenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
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18:21.35karlpincLeoDing : I'd guess about a year.  YMMV.
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18:22.20valdynLeoDing: debian releases just according to policy, you can use lenny now
18:22.34pettalsabrotman: here 's the output of lspci
18:22.35pettalshttp://paste-it.net/public/m9e7b9f/
18:22.47pettalslsscsi says command not found
18:22.55valdyn!installit
18:22.55dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
18:23.10abrotmanpettals: i thought you said it was a scsi cdrom ?
18:23.21pettalsyes it is
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18:23.45abrotmanyour internet works in linux ?
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18:25.11pettalsno, it doesn't work, unable to locate the network driver even though it is showing correctly as "nvidia chipset"
18:25.29karlpincDoes the install cd in rescue mode have rsync?
18:26.33LeoDingvaldyn: but it's only testing now ...
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18:26.47ArseniosHow to install a splash theme?
18:26.50ArseniosGnome
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18:27.14abrotmanpettals: this is a laptop ?
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18:27.25valdynLeoDing: sure
18:27.32varlonhi, why in Synaptic the search history is cleaned after intallation?
18:27.35pettalsyes , acer aspire 4250
18:27.42varlonit's a bug or futuries?
18:27.43varlon:)
18:27.49varlon* feuturies
18:27.50abrotmanpettals: i'd either try etchnhalf or lenny
18:28.01danilomhi, how can i force to aptitude dist-upgrade because is still showing the error "run dpkg --configure -a" but not work
18:28.08abrotmanshow us the error
18:28.10abrotman!paste
18:28.10dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:28.35pettalswhat should i paste ?
18:28.50pettalslspci ?
18:29.09Polizeithe outcome from dpkg --configure -a
18:29.18Polizeiand the one from apt-get dist=upgrade
18:29.22Polizeis/=/-
18:29.35pettalsbut i have downloaded etch after so much of pain
18:29.42valdynLeoDing: I already told you, release happens according to policy, that doesnt mean that a frozen unreleased testing is a bad idea to use
18:29.47danilomPolizei, well im runing it from another machinne, only with console im going to write it here..
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18:31.22danilom/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 164:mktemp: command not found
18:31.33pettalsabrotman: what should i do ? i checked the same with suse linux, the same kernel and it's working fine there
18:32.07LeoDingvaldyn: policy...i hate it ...
18:32.25valdynLeoDing: uh?
18:32.31danilomdpkg was interrupted
18:32.31dpkgdanilom: wish i knew
18:32.38valdynLeoDing: why do you think it gets in your way?
18:33.13tmp_I appear to have missed something in getting an etch box up and running; the multimedia apps can't read dvds. For instance, mplayer goes "No stream found to handle url dvd://1" What did I miss in the setup?
18:33.38danilomhow can i fix, still show this dpkg is interrupted,, happend after doing aptitude dist-upgrade from etch to lenny..
18:33.45valdyntmp_: try mplayer -dvd-device /dev/whatever dvd://
18:33.46LeoDingvaldyn: i must wait long time ... I hate wait ...i dont more patience...
18:33.56valdynLeoDing: you are very confused
18:34.08valdynLeoDing: no ones forcing you to wait
18:34.19abrotmanpettals: i'd either try etchnhalf or lenny
18:34.34karlpinctmp_ : http://debian-multimedia.org/  ?
18:34.39danilomPolizei, im going to write a pastebin can you help me reading this post
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18:34.52abrotmanpettals: i'd wager that the .18 that originally came with etch knows nothing about your hardware .. so either install the etchnhalf kernel or install lenny
18:34.54effeXhi
18:34.57effeX[1]+  Stopped                 apt-get dist-upgrade
18:35.00effeXhow do i resume it?
18:35.04asgeffeX: fg
18:35.08valdynLeoDing: try to understand what this releasing stuff means, instead of waiting for it, or why etch _stable_ now has more rc bugs than lenny, for instance
18:35.46danilomeffeX, im in the same error now
18:35.47karlpincLast I checked lenny does not have the security support etch has.  That's what keeps me away.
18:35.50varlonI'm today update etch to lenny. so, I have 4 unresolved dependece. I remove all what I can, than use upgrade, than remove else and when all unresolved dependeses was gone, I can use dist-upgrade
18:35.51varlon:-)
18:36.01effeXdanilom :/
18:36.02pettalsabrotman: i will try lenny... will get back.. another 10 hours of wait for it to get downloaded :-)
18:36.04varlonit just my comment about migration
18:36.20effeXdanilom u dont know how to resume
18:36.34danilomvarlon so wick pack we must to remove to continue tne dist-upgrade
18:36.36tmp_karlpinc: Got that in sources.list
18:37.14danilomeffeX, no im having troubble trying to continue from etch to lenny
18:37.16tmp_valdyn: libdvdread: Could not open /dev/hda with libdvdcss.
18:37.20abrotmanpettals: why? it shouldn't take that long to download 150MB
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18:37.37effeXdanilom yeah...
18:37.47pettals150 MB, for lenny ?
18:37.54asgfor a netinst
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18:38.00abrotmanmoment
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18:38.20abrotmanhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
18:38.28abrotman180MB now i suppose
18:38.39asgabrotman: that's the extra pork
18:38.41varlonI remove x11, kde, gnome, office and many else. I have unlimited highspeed internet connection and I can download 1 Gb without any [sorry] // my ugly english
18:38.41tmp_valdyn: And a couple more lines about being unable to open /dev/hda
18:38.48danilomthere is a way to force the dist-upgrade??
18:38.57abrotmandanilom: you fix the errors
18:39.34danilomabrotman, well i just do, aptitude update, and them aptitude dist-upgrade ... where is the error?
18:39.44abrotmanyou show us
18:39.45pettalsyes got the link, downloading now .. will give a try ... thanks will get back..showing 1 hour 38 minutes
18:39.58pettalshow do i resolve the ethernet card problem
18:40.03valdyntmp_: sure, hda probably is not the cdrom drive
18:40.06LeoDingvaldyn: you are right ,but I need more excitement
18:40.18pettalsok leave .. let's see the lenny kernel
18:40.19asg!fruitsmite LeoDing
18:40.19dpkgsmites LeoDing with a basketful of pineapples
18:40.20tmp_valdyn: /dev/hda is group cdrom and is rw-rw---- And I'm a member of cdrom.
18:40.27pettalsfirst
18:40.28abrotmanpettals: i'm telling you to try to install lenny to fix your issues
18:40.32tmp_valdyn: /dev/hda is the dvdrw
18:40.48valdyntmp_: try as root
18:41.00effeX[1]+  Stopped                 apt-get dist-upgrade
18:41.00effeXks362141:/etc/apt# apt-get dist-upgrade
18:41.00effeXE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
18:41.00effeXE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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18:41.02LeoDingasg: what's your mean ?
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18:41.12effeXsryz
18:41.29manb!microphone
18:41.30asg*facedesk*
18:41.30effeXthats my problem.. anyone could help me please?
18:41.40karlpincvaldyn : The question is, how is it that I have fs errors without any hardware errors?  Is far as I can tell I've exactly the same install on another box, and am doing the same operations, and have no problems there.
18:41.53tmp_valdyn: I can mount discs as per a normal fs
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18:42.24manbi need some help getting my microphone working
18:42.26tmp_valdyn: It's just the media apps that fall over.
18:42.29valdyntmp_: so its not a proper video dvd
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18:42.59valdyntmp_: use "mplayer /dev/hda"
18:43.02karlpinctmp_ : You've libdvdcss* installed?
18:43.13valdynuh
18:43.19valdyn!marillat
18:43.20dpkgfrom memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
18:44.44tmp_valdyn: Oh, they are. They're all standard video discs (udf) that work just fine everywhere else, and mount normally on anything that supports udf. It's just the etch box that fails.
18:45.00manbi have a hp nx6325 notebook, running a 2.6.24 kernel. see http://pastebin.com/m7f37a45a for lspci
18:45.07manbsound is working
18:45.26valdyntmp_: see what dpkg said, libdvdcss is there
18:45.35abrotmanmanb: uname -a
18:45.38danilomabrotman is a problem about linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 appear as not configured yet.. and show error like mktemp command not found... this is after trying dpkg --configure -a
18:45.46tmp_valdyn: Root gets the same results.
18:45.52abrotmandanilom: paste the error in a pastebin .. don't make us guess
18:46.02danilomok excuse
18:46.17tmp_valdyn: And yes, I have libdvdcss installed.
18:46.38karlpincmanb : I can't help, other than to suggest the obvious.  Make sure it's not on mute or the pickup turned all the way down or something like that.  (I once saw a problem where the cord was unplugged.  :-)
18:46.43manbabrotman, Linux minnb 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 23:41:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
18:47.18manbkarlpinc, i checkt this. the alsamixer interface looks a bit weird. maybe you want to see a screenshot?
18:47.41karlpincmanb: I'm clueless when it comes to sound.  Maybe somebody else will look.
18:49.17tmp_valdyn: "mplayer /dev/hda" gets it to play the copyright segment, then it goes "End of file" and exits.
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18:49.39abrotmanmanb: ask #ubuntu
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18:50.12ArelisCan i put debian on my iRiver E100 mp3 player?
18:50.21abrotmandoubt it
18:51.00mimcpherAre there any compelling reasons for me to go with a filesystem other than ext3 for my personal workstation?
18:51.10ghostdogNo
18:51.37karlpincmimcpher : Compelled to tinker?
18:51.44simNIXno
18:52.09ArelisAny other linux flavour for mp3 players?
18:52.16ArelisOr at least firmware?
18:52.30abrotman!rockbox
18:52.30dpkgRockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It runs on a number of different models -> http://www.rockbox.org/
18:52.38abrotmanthat's the only one i know
18:52.40ArelisRockbox hasn't been ported to iRIver E100 yet.
18:52.43danilomabrotman, please take a look http://pastebin.com/m272e6666
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18:53.03dw_Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80]
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18:53.17dw_can someone give me a working sources.list line for security.debian for etch? :)
18:53.23dw_curses the dumb format
18:53.25abrotmandw_: show us the one you have
18:53.33abrotmandanilom: you need to get the mktemp package installed
18:53.34dw_deb http://security.debian.org/ etch main
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18:53.54abrotmandw_: deb http://security.debian.org/ updates/etch main
18:53.59dw_aha!
18:54.14asgabrotman: or etch/updates
18:54.19danilomabrotman, how to do that because the aptitude doesnt work
18:54.44dw_yepyep
18:54.55abrotmandw_: erm .. yes .. etch/updates
18:54.55dw_i wish the syntax was just a simple url
18:55.08dw_i need to look that crap up about once every year :)
18:55.12abrotmandanilom: wget and dpkg ?
18:55.15dw_(or ask in here)
18:55.26ghostdogThat would make too much sense, dw_.
18:55.50dw_ghostdog: hehe
18:56.06danilomabrotman, so i need to download mktemp for lenny and install it by hand?
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18:57.20LeoDingdw_:"hehe"?are you chinese ?
18:57.22asgdw_: or look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list which will always give you the example
18:57.24danilomis there a way to "force" it to use aptitude and install it
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18:57.42dw_LeoDing: no, i'm english. have you used irc before?
18:57.53abrotmandanilom: try to do it with dpkg
18:58.08tmp_karlpinc:  I have libdvdcss installed.
18:58.32LeoDingdw
18:58.54LeoDingdw_: yes,I use irc long time..
18:58.56farhad_hfabrotman: you told me to add a put -x in top of postrm script , i did that but i don't know what does it mean : http://phpfi.com/360511
18:59.08karlpinctmp_ : Sorry.  I got it to work once and am afraid to muck about.
18:59.12dw_LeoDing: then you should be aware that many thousands of people use it as a generic, jovial acknowledgement
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18:59.37abrotmanfarhad_hf: i told you to put a "set -x"
18:59.59farhad_hfabrotman: yes, sorry , i did that
19:00.09dw_LeoDing: it makes about as much sense as any other emergent terminology found in a diverse culture, pedancy won't help you here
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19:00.33dw_LeoDing: in any case, such discussions are best taken up in #linguistics or somewhere non-debian-related. :)
19:00.35tmp_karlpinc: No problem. I don't mess with it much, myself. Which is why I'm currently wondering what I'm missing.
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19:00.45FreakGuardhow to get a distcc working? won't connect to the other machine :(
19:00.57abrotmanfarhad_hf: i guess comment out that "update-desktop-database -q" line
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19:01.13tmp_karlpinc: Or if it's some oddity that goes away in lenny.
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19:07.52farhad_hfabrotman: tnx ,
19:07.59farhad_hfso much! ;)
19:08.20lastpakis there a tekst-based user interface that lets me (install and)use fluxbox from a minimal debian netinstall...?
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19:09.20dmoernerlastpak: aptitude?
19:09.37lastpaktried that
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19:09.52lastpakinstall is ok
19:09.55abrotmanwhat's wrong with aptitude?
19:09.56LeoDing1dw_: yes,although many terminology in driverse,but it's not diffcult..
19:10.34lastpaknothing is wrong with aptitude it's great
19:10.57asglastpak: apt-get install fluxbox xorg ; startx
19:11.24lastpakthat easy??
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19:11.44asglastpak: generally, yes
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19:12.28lastpaki installed fluxbox and tried starting it but it didnt work yet
19:13.05mirakhi, is there a channel to discuss about how to create .debs and rules files ?
19:13.32dmoernermirak: debian-mentors on oftc is a good place to start for basic questions, for more technical issues you can try debian-devel
19:13.35asglastpak: then just install xorg if you already have fluxbox
19:13.37lastpakit does work ones i had gnome....but i didn't want gnome
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19:13.44mirakdmoerner: thanks
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19:14.04mirakdmoerner: what is the direfference between oftc and freenode ?
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19:14.16veganlionoftc is more 1337
19:14.22asgmirak: oftc is the official debian irc network but it sucks
19:14.24dmoernermirak: different irc servers, oftc is where irc.debian.org now points
19:14.57mirakasg: what sucks ?
19:15.00lastpakgo for xorg you say and i guess i need configure-debian as well?
19:15.07asgmirak: oftc ... higher SNR
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19:15.25mirakasg: you mean people suck or server suck ?
19:15.53asgmirak: people is seems
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19:16.51lastpaki'll give it a shot tomorrow now it's time for a beer an some stupid chatcafe
19:17.10EmleyMoorUnder what circumstances would software RAID6 be slow? It seems to be doing very nicely on my new box
19:18.10EmleyMoor(and I am also running with only half my intended RAM)
19:18.43mirakI am trying to debianize a vdr plugin. I use debianize-vdr-plugin to create the debian folder in the source tree. However I am not sure about how to create the rule file. What is the relation between the rule file and the Makefile ?
19:18.43mirak<PROTECTED>
19:18.45asgEmleyMoor: fast reads, slow writes (slower than RAID5)
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19:22.35buntfalkedoes free substract memory used by tmpfs in the +- buffers/cache line, too?!
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19:23.16lightstephow should i install haskell packages from hackage on my debian system? in windows, i installed cabal-install and used it, but i can't find a cabal-install package in an official repository
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19:25.18asglightstep: does 'apt-cache search haskell' show the package you need? If so, install it.
19:25.56yebyenlightstep: what are you working on?
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19:26.04yebyenlightstep: i'm taking a class on haskell and I haven't got anywhere yet
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19:26.56lightstepyebyen, i'm trying to port a decoder for an IR protocol from c++ to haskell
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19:27.25yebyenso, is that character device I/O?
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19:27.36lightstepasg, this doesn't list the package i'm looking for, but it lists competing ones, so i'll try them
19:28.05lightstepyebyen, the reciever is connected to the microphone port
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19:28.41lightstepyebyen, so i'm basically looking for a sound recording library
19:29.29yebyenlightstep: then perform some interpretation on the data?  does it come out at a constant rate
19:29.36yebyeni worked with bt848 cards long time ago, but never in haskell
19:29.39yebyenthey had I/R receivers
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19:30.45lightstepit's a proprietary protocol, and the messages either come every 100ms or not at all
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19:33.16yebyenlightstep: are you a haskell coder?
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19:33.36lightsteptrying to be
19:34.05lightstepi only wrote a few toy programs - algorithms, small guis, etc
19:34.21yebyendo you have a git repository?
19:34.29yebyenor somewhere I can read
19:34.46yebyeni'll share my professor's course notes, a nice book I found
19:34.55yebyenyou've probably seen book.realworldhaskell.org
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19:35.38lightstepyet, but didn't read a lot of it. i feel like i already know haskell, but need some experience
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19:36.31yebyenwell i feel like i don't know much about haskell, but I need a grade
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19:36.33yebyenand a job would be nice too
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19:36.36yebyenHEH
19:36.42lightstep:)
19:36.52SnadderIs there any way to disable the built in mouse on my asus eee 900?
19:37.04SnadderI keep touching the mouse button accedently
19:37.18SnadderI want the built in mouse disabled when I have an extra mouse connected
19:37.46lightstepyebyen, i don't have an online repository, or even a web page. where can i get a server that will give me one?
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19:38.09yebyenlightstep: i'll hook you up, you going to be online a while?
19:38.12yebyenunfuddle.com is nice
19:38.14lightstepyes
19:38.26yebyeni'm setting up a gitweb or something on nerdland.org
19:38.34EmleyMoorDoes aptitude change the colour scheme on the console periodically? (as a kind of screensaver perhaps?)
19:38.35yebyenif my hostingrails account didn't flake again
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19:38.53manb!hydra
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19:39.11manb!hydra
19:39.26asgmanb: /msg the bot
19:39.29SnadderNone knows how to disable an built in laptop mouse? :-p
19:39.32EmleyMoorWhat are you !ing on about?
19:39.33yebyenit's more like project management
19:39.38abrotmanSnadder: bios
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19:40.47manbwhere do i get the deb packages for hydra?
19:40.49Snadderabrotman: Hm... Maybe I have to do that.. but it whould be alot easier if it happened automaticly when connecting a second mouse
19:41.36abrotmanmanb: you're using ubuntu .. ask them
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19:42.07manbabrotman, on my other pc, i am using debian, so where is the problem?
19:42.54manbabrotman, do i need to write from a debian pc to get help from this channel? what is with a guy whos pc crashe and he is writing from a windows pc, does he get help or doesn't he?
19:42.56yebyenhttp://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/installing-ghc-and-haskell-libraries.html#id688956
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19:43.27EmleyMoorhydra is not in Debian
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19:43.44yebyenmanb: THC-HYDRA - fast and flexible network login hacker
19:43.48yebyenis that what you mean?
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19:44.02zeffernoDo you recommend removing the Avahi-daemon?
19:44.02abrotmanmanb: if you want hyrda .. you have to build it .. it's not in debian
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19:44.35manbyebyen, yeah, it is. dont tell me you searched on google for hydra +.deb - i did this for quite a while :)
19:44.45lightstepyebyen, i put a comment in that chapter :)
19:44.50manbabrotman, not in debian, but maybe in a backport
19:45.10Elite|Jetiwhat hydra?
19:45.11yebyenmanb: no, i just searched for hydra
19:45.12abrotmana backport would imply it was in sid/lenny and was backported to etch
19:45.17EmleyMoorIt may be available for Debian but it's not in Debian
19:45.27yebyenmanb: how much you pay for a binary deb?
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19:46.29DaBonBonis there a channel reserved for the debian release team? i want to ask "when will lenny be released", but i know this isn't the right place ;)
19:46.37manbyebyen, is this the idea of opensource?
19:47.19yebyenmanb: is there any money on it?
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19:47.38yebyenmanb: i could learn to make debs today or in 3 weeks
19:47.39manbyebyen, what do you mean?
19:47.56yebyenmanb: you're not cracking someone's bank password are you?
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19:49.02yebyenDaBonBon: i'm running lenny now, do you mean when will there be an ISO?
19:49.15manbyebyen, *g* the banks only allow 3 false passwords. then the account is disabled. bruteforce would be the wrong think
19:49.20manbs/think/thing
19:49.22DaBonBonyebyen: no, when will it be offiically made "stable" from testing
19:49.25zeffernoWhat is the recommended chmod for /etc/passwd?
19:49.34mirakdoes the sticky bit really works ? I have lots of troubles using that on /usr:src
19:49.54ZoneiQuestion. Certain system users by default have /bin/sh shell in /etc/passwd. Does it matter if I put /bin/false to all of those and give a shell only to real human users?
19:50.00asgDaBonBon: it will be released when the RC bugs are resolved.
19:50.04yebyenzefferno: /etc/passwd can be 644, it's ok
19:50.11yebyenzefferno: /etc/shadow holds the password hashes anyway
19:50.17DaBonBonasg: that's it? no other criteria?
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19:50.38asgZonei: some need a real shell depending on what they do though you can see if /bin/false works for them.
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19:50.52zeffernoyebyen: and for shadow?
19:50.52asgDaBonBon: basically, yes
19:50.55nohelpherei installed debian
19:50.58gimmalok here's a channel that is never asleep ... was wondering if my irc conn was balky
19:51.06nohelphereand everytime i sue apt-get install it tells me to insert the cd
19:51.13DaBonBonasg: RC Bugs are the ones listed here, right -- http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ?
19:51.19asgyes
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19:52.04EmleyMoornohelphere: That means you have a CD as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:52.11Zoneiasg: hmm... i'm not sure I'd like to play with that and break something if it requires a shell, this is a remote server. However, do I have to worry at all, since I use pubkey auth?
19:52.17gimmalwants to sue apt all the time ;^)
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19:53.23cilkayHello. How can I make the "Do you want to clear LVM volumes?" not show when I'm doing a preseed installation? I can get rid of everything but that.
19:53.25yebyenzefferno: don't let them read it?
19:53.54pobegaI give up on using Pidgin, all it does is crash.
19:53.57nohelphereyeha i fixed it
19:54.03DaBonBonasg: thanks
19:54.14DaBonBonasg: also, is the artwork etc ready?
19:54.35pobegaAnyone else having problems with Pidgin? It runs well for about 30 seconds to a minute, then it just kinda freezes up
19:54.47asgZonei: probably better not to anyway, the devs wouldn't use /bin/sh unless it was necessary
19:54.55pobegaFirefox/xterm/window manager still keeps working, but Pidgin just kinda dies and turns all white (as if it is loading)
19:55.15Zoneiasg: yeah, i guess so. :)
19:56.36asgDaBonBon: I don't know about artwork, I've been using the same minimalist setup since slink
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19:57.20manu_hackhi, I'm watching hulu but the video not so smooth, the sound is okay, is it about the flash player?  I'm using flashplugin-nonfree
19:57.28BaronVonOwnpobega: i haven't had problems with gaim/pidgin crashing for years
19:57.46BaronVonOwnpobega: and then it was related to log files being too big
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20:02.05pobegaBaronVonOwn: Where are the log files stored?
20:02.42BaronVonOwnpobega: ~/.gaim/logs/
20:02.51BaronVonOwnpobega: that's only potentially a problem if you enabled logging though
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20:04.10arikonmhi all!
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20:04.58arikonmdoes anybody know how to enable the wifi on broadcom with ndiswrapper? idiot ssb module can't be blacklisted
20:05.23arikonmand it prevents the ndiswrapper modul to reach the device during boot
20:06.44ZoneiHow can I see which version of a certain package I've got installed?
20:07.21asgZonei: dpkg -l <pkg>
20:07.34Zoneioh, dpkg.... thanks asg
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20:10.02Zoneiasg: heh, I get No such file or directory, but I am sure the package is installed...
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20:13.18asgZonei: then try dpkg -l | grep <keyword>
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20:14.17Zoneiasg:  dpkg -I requires a .deb file argument
20:14.22Zonei(this is Etch)
20:14.31asgZonei: dpkg -l, not dpkg -I
20:15.08FreakGuarddamn... why can't this distcc just work? :/
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20:15.26dudemanI've been trying out svg all day today.  Are there any svg authoring tools that can convert images to svg?  I tried some free online tools and they only seem to encode the existing image as base64.  Is there anything that can properfly convert?
20:15.30Zoneiasg ah, lowercase L. Thanks.
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20:16.17jpfhow do i install boost 1_36 on etch?
20:16.27abrotmandudeman: you can import jpg into inkscape
20:16.39dudemanuhuh
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20:17.14asgjpf: what is boost 1_36?
20:17.32jpfhaha
20:17.33jpfnevermind
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20:18.43asgsuit yourself
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20:19.27dudemanabrotman, I imported a jpeg into inkscape saved as svg and xlink:href="Pictures/blah.jpg /> (it seems to be linked isntead of conversion into svg
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20:19.46enouf!svg
20:19.46dpkgsvg is, like, an acronym for Scalable Vector Graphics, an open vector graphics format. Can be rendered by ksvg and Firefox 1.5 (only partial support). More info at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or #svg
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20:20.01enoufbah, super vga :-P
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20:20.13asg!svg s/, like,//g
20:20.14abrotmandudeman: oh .. those are raster .. i don't think there is
20:20.20dudemanawww
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20:20.22asg!svg =~ s/, like,//g
20:20.23dpkgasg: that doesn't contain ', like,'
20:20.29abrotmanasg: that's the bot being goofy
20:20.31abrotman!svg
20:20.31dpkgfrom memory, svg is an acronym for Scalable Vector Graphics, an open vector graphics format. Can be rendered by ksvg and Firefox 1.5 (only partial support). More info at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or #svg
20:20.32abrotmansee
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20:20.44asgabrotman: joy
20:21.38dudemandangit man
20:21.42enoufdraws up a plan 9 for dudeman
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20:21.59nohelpherehm
20:22.09nohelpherei need to setup a virtual network interface or soemthing
20:22.12dudemanyo did you know that in my wallpapers I used the debian SVG highres logo (whats why it looks sooo crytaal
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20:22.25enoufsends Ray Tracer to whack dudeman with his cane
20:23.17Agent_bobi seem to have lost sound. (probably something i deleted)  but the reason is not very clear from the error message http://debian.pastebin.us/4668   thoughts ?
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20:23.50nohelpheresinc ei need a second local network IP
20:23.51enoufmaybe if you delete some more, it'll magically start working :-P
20:23.59nohelpherebut without adding a second network card.
20:24.12asgAgent_bob: is your user a member of the 'audio' group?
20:24.13nohelpherei was able to do it in windows and FreeBSD
20:24.21Agent_bobi would think that would indicate a module not inserted, but i checked with modprobe snd-ac97-bus
20:24.45Agent_bobasg it's not a permissions issue.
20:24.46dudemanabrotman, enouf, http://dudeman.gotdns.com/debian.rosey.png <-- how was this debian logo generated in SVG?  In inkscape I tried to make a swirly and put some effects on it and didn't work out, any idea where can I find the people who designed the debian logos?
20:24.50Selveste1Hey :) any body that have en p2p filter in iptables op n running ?
20:24.53enoufnohelphere: i think it's as easy as ifconfig eth0.0 192.x.x.x up or something
20:24.55Agent_bobasg i checked that first.
20:25.14asgAgent_bob: does /dev/dsp exist?
20:25.18abrotmandudeman: gimp can save as svg iirc
20:25.19Agent_bobyes
20:25.27Agent_bobc 3 14
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20:25.32enoufdudeman: maybe someone in -devel  on oftc?
20:25.33dudemanahh
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20:25.46nohelphereb4@twilight:~$ sudo ifconfig eth0.0 192.168.1.62
20:25.46nohelphereSIOCSIFADDR: No such device
20:25.46nohelphereeth0.0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such de
20:25.47dudemanenouf, which #debian-devel?
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20:25.54enoufdudeman: aye
20:25.56dudemanenouf, its not a development related thing I think
20:26.02flobbiehi
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20:26.02abrotmanit's not
20:26.03dudemanmore like debian-art ?
20:26.30dudemanalright
20:26.32Agent_bobasg sorry c 14 3
20:26.33Selveste1#transmission
20:26.34asgnohelphere: define it as eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces
20:26.35dudemanI'll be back in a few hours again
20:26.48flobbieI have no sound in debian. aplay -l says no soundcard found
20:27.00dudeman(SVG IS FUN, and did you know that you can compress svg just as good as you can compress txt files! WOW!)
20:27.03Selveste1I missed /join sorry :P
20:27.33abrotmandudeman: uh .. it is a text file
20:27.40dudemanabrotman, exactly
20:27.51dudemanwhich is awesome
20:28.06asgabrotman: tell him to apt-get install stacker
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20:28.16dudemanI wonder if you can send svg as compressed gz and it unzips on client browser
20:28.42dudemanlike you can send other pages in gz  (as offered by some CMS so I gather you can just compress the stuff and it auto uncompreses on client)
20:29.30nohelphere.fail
20:29.53RichiHwhoah, evil
20:30.28dudemanhuh?
20:31.39enoufifconfig | grep eth | awk '{ print$1 }' | xargs == eth0 ; sudo ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.3 up ; ifconfig | grep eth | awk '{ print$1 }' | xargs eth0 eth0:0
20:32.11RichiHi dist-upgraded, saw a really bad qt bug and _wanted_ to stop. instead, i pressed enter
20:32.17RichiHso it started unpacking stuff
20:32.20jelly-homeeth0.0 != eth0:0
20:32.54RichiHwhich is stopped with ctrl-c, ran dpkg --configure -a, and dist-upgraded, again
20:33.17RichiHthis time, apt-listbugs did _not_ wait for me to confirm anything
20:33.19Agent_bobok it's definitely a module/kernel issue.   # cat urandom > dsp
20:33.20RichiHevil.
20:33.24Agent_bob<PROTECTED>
20:33.39Agent_boband yet i'm looking at the device node.
20:33.47enoufstupid X, i do it so infrequently, i keep using X syntax :0.0
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20:34.33enoufso, i test, and now it workey ;-) do it right!
20:35.02enouf"...or somthing" != verbatim :-P
20:35.11dudemanabrotman, gimp can't save to svg
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20:35.52abrotmanlooks
20:36.58abrotmanguess it was png ..
20:37.17beardyI'm not sure, but possibly gfig can save it's things, separately. (IIRC that gfig is the name of that thing, in The GIMP)
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20:37.51dudemanI'm tryig to keep the quality of the image static while having it resize to whatever size (as is my current favorite feature of svg)
20:37.54dudemanI'd like the image to be taken apart pixel by pixel and plotted on svg with proper coordinate/color information (so that the image is the same quality at any size)
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20:38.14infinity_probablhello everybody
20:38.16dudemanif this is possible somehow to do to any image format and save as native svg
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20:39.18infinity_probabli'm thinking about buying a TV capture card to watch cable tv
20:39.21dudemanperhaps I could write a converter... images are what 3 dimensional arrays? x,y, plus rgb info for each pixel? would it be generic or do I need to write a converter for every single image format to svg?
20:39.33dudemaninfinity_probabl, just buy a tv and put it in your room ;)
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20:39.57infinity_probabli have three options: Pinnacle Pro 110I
20:40.04jaunnywhat editor should i use to edit code, you know tells for () and some others things, or how to config vim to do this?
20:40.08infinity_probablProlink Playtv xtreme
20:40.13infinity_probable encore tuner pro
20:40.25dudemanjaunny, there are several editors
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20:40.33infinity_probabldudeman: i think that the capture card is cheaper... ;-)
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20:40.42dudemanjaunny, what exactly are you asking (automatic code/syntax completion?)
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20:41.21dudemanjaunny, vim can do many things, I suggest you ask  in #vim
20:41.31Octalotdudeman: define "same quality"?
20:41.31dudemaninfinity_probabl, ok
20:41.43dudemanOctalot, thats exactly what I mean
20:42.03dudemanOctalot, its a feature of svg
20:42.12jaunnyi am beginner, i saw one that tell which ) belongs to (, tell me what seems the most used, i will see with the popularity constest, it is to edit C programms
20:42.30infinity_probabli'm not interested in high quality, just watch some cable with mythtv and debian
20:42.31dudemanOctalot, example http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/canvas.svg
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20:43.10infinity_probablgoogled this cards, it seems that they run on debian
20:43.22dudemanOctalot, it will be still as crytal clear and just as sharp regardless of which size you make this image
20:43.25infinity_probablbut i would like to know if anyone has some experience with any of them
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20:43.35Agent_bobjaunny even "mc -e" will "tell which (,{,[,",' belong to which ',",],},) "
20:44.11dudemanOctalot, in other image formats, the pixels get distorted because you either shrink or enlarge the image (even in image editing software it happens (but there exist filters that can help with that))
20:44.12infinity_probablwitch one has the best cost/benefit
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20:44.55dudemanOctalot, http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/#base
20:45.22Octalotdudeman: it doesn't work that way.  Once an image has been rasterised (GIF, PNG, JPEG etc), turning it in to SVG won't bring back the resizing magic.
20:45.29dudemanOctalot, http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/viewbox.shtml
20:45.37jaunnywhat are editor features needed nowadays to edit c programms, and what is most common editor that does this well
20:45.42dudemanOctalot, yes, but did you understand what I was trying to accomplish?
20:45.45OctalotOtherwise GIMP and Photoshop wuold just turn images in to SVG and back again to resize them.
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20:46.07asgjaunny: vi or emacs ... all the others are variations on a theme
20:46.29trolkhow can i test if madwifi is good nstalled in my lenny?
20:46.49trolki dont know how to test the wireless someone can help me
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20:47.18wolstrolk: do you have a ath0 interface?
20:47.36trolkwols when i do iwconfig i see ath0
20:47.43jaunnyok, for vim, but i should configure all options myself? emacs seems too complicated for me, mc i dont like because it remmembers me dos
20:47.58Octalotdudeman: import the raster as a layer in inkscape, put a blank layer on top, trace the lines in the image
20:48.11dudemanahh
20:48.19trolkwols is that ok? and how to connect to a router?
20:48.20dudemanOctalot, #inkscape ?
20:48.32wols!wireless
20:48.32dpkgSupport for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within.  Don't know what you have?  Ask me about <what's my wireless>.  Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>.  See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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20:48.55Octalotdudeman: start with the self-tutorial before the IRC channel.
20:49.06dudemanOctalot, of course...
20:49.18dudemanOctalot, just saying perhaps we should take it there
20:49.30dudeman(as this doesn't really concern debian)
20:49.52trolk!madwifi
20:49.52dpkgmadwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset.  More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian.  To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.  No USB devices are supported.  NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead.  AR5008 now supported in lenny.  http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net.
20:50.01asgjaunny: do you currently write a lot of C code? If not, then no editor will help you until you know what you need an editor needs to do to help you.
20:50.22trolk!wifi
20:50.22dpkgwifi is, like, a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
20:50.41mkhlnshi have this Winfast 2000 XP tv tunner and on Ubuntu i've added just "options bttv card=34 tuner=56" on /etc/modprobe.d/options to fix the wrong tunner code that is detected by default. how do i do this on Debian since there is no such file?
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20:50.56asgmkhlnsh: create the file
20:50.59trolkwols,  i already install madwifi so i need to know how to test
20:51.25jaunnyi suppose  to hightlignht the ( ), i saw some editors can change colors for words like for while int and others
20:51.32wolstrolk: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/
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20:52.10asgjaunny: and both vi and emacs can do this (as well as many others.) Personally, I find it highly annoying.
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20:53.45jaunnyhow do i configure vi to do this? man page is a lot, is there a simple command? i prefer vim to vi. Popcon says no stats for emacs
20:53.50dudemanasg, find what annoying?
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20:54.10dudemanasg, i hope you don't mean syntax/block hilighting
20:54.21asgjaunny: :syntax on
20:54.29dudeman(thats about the most favored feature in any source editor)
20:54.29asgdudeman: yes
20:54.42dudemanasg, may I ask why? and if I can, I'd like to ask why?
20:54.53l403I have debian on the 1st partion. i'm gonna install win on the 3rd partition. after that I'll run the debian cd in "rescue" and will run the grub-install /dev/hda command to restore grub. Right???
20:54.57asgdudeman: it adds a visual distraction.
20:54.58vadmesteDuddle, you are too polite
20:55.04vadmestedudeman i mean
20:55.12dudemanasg, wow, it makes it very very easy to read code imo
20:55.19dudemanasg, though every one has his own tastes
20:55.56dudemanvadmeste, you don't know me at all do you? ;)
20:56.13Duddle-_-
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20:56.39asgdudeman: yes, everyone has their own tastes. I just find it distracting. From my perspective, if you are nested so deeply that you need your editor to keep you inline, then you are nested too deeply.
20:56.50jaunny:syntax on -> E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version
20:57.12jaunnyi will search a while thanks
20:57.15asgjaunny: are you running etch?
20:57.23dudemanits not that... just knowing a variable is green is easy to look at.  Just knowing a function is blue is easy to find at a glance from all the code. etc. etc.
20:57.38JusinHello, Iam working with a debian machine and I can connect to the internet, I can ping my gateway, but for some reason Iam not able to ping anything outside (e.g. google, yahoo) I also check my firewall if it was blocking pings but its not, any other suggestions or precidures i should take to further investigate this?
20:57.40dudemanasg, and sometimes nesting can go pretty deep, especially in object orientation
20:57.42asgdudeman: before such things, we had ctags :)
20:57.47dudemanhehe
20:57.51dudemangrampa
20:58.01asghah
20:58.12sladi1403: yes
20:58.29asgdudeman: to this day, 'grep -ilr /src/tree' is very useful
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20:59.05asg!beer stoned
20:59.05dpkgpours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for stoned
20:59.09stoned:)
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20:59.50JusinAnyone have had similar problems?
21:00.10asgJusin: can you ping 166.82.1.3?
21:00.21jaunnyyes etch, i should install a package but which ? i am with fluxbox
21:00.34asgjaunny: install vim
21:00.44mkhlnshafter switching from Ubuntu to Debian i've found that the user created at install is not able to use sudo. is this normal? or did i miss something when installing?
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21:00.54asgmkhlnsh: yes, apt-get install sudo
21:00.59JusinIf its an outside IP i dont think so, since itryed google and yahoo for public pings
21:01.01jaunnyi have vim-common, but it does not want the : sytax on command
21:01.14mkhlnshasg, it is installed allready...
21:01.31asgjaunny: install vim (debian installs a minimal version by default)
21:01.32stonedmkhlnsh, that option is available only via a lower debconf priority upon install.  you should install sudo and man visudo or as root, nano /etc/sudoers and create an entry for yourself
21:01.40asgmkhlnsh: then visudo (and configure away)
21:01.53asgJusin: just let me know if you can ping that IP or not
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21:03.21JusinK let me try
21:04.07stonedhow can I display graphics in console?
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21:04.17asgstoned: what kind of graphics?
21:04.25stonedimages, web browsing, mplayer etc. etc.
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21:04.30stonedwithout using X
21:04.59asgstoned: links, vesa for mplayer
21:05.02stoned(wasn't there some svga mode for cli?) or something... I can't recall
21:05.03abrotmancaca?
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21:05.35stonedok i'll look into it
21:06.12jaunnythanks install vim and : syntax on works, plenty of colors, i will see if theses colors can hightlight my low skills
21:06.27stonedThis package contains utilities and demonstration programs for libcaca, the Colour AsCii Art library. not this
21:06.33stonedheh, not ascii art
21:06.49asgjaunny: if you get tired of typing ':syntax on' when you start vim, you can set that in your ~/.vimrc file
21:07.16stonedor just use emacs like a grown up ;)
21:07.17stonedhides
21:07.48mkhlnshcan anyone pastebin a default /etc/sudoers?
21:08.01stonedmkhlnsh, at the bottom of that line is a line that starts with root
21:08.07abrotmanmkhlnsh: you don't have to use sudo
21:08.09stonedmkhlnsh, copy that line to a new line, and change root to your user
21:08.19asgmkhlnsh: /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers
21:08.46stonedI like to have nonpassword sudo
21:08.57stonedstoned ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
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21:09.24stonedso if you were to break into my box, you can use do root stuff without a problem.
21:09.33abrotmansmart move
21:09.44stonedthe box is not connected to the internet ;)
21:10.04abrotmanso?
21:10.06mkhlnshabrotman, can you give me a reason why i should not use sudo?
21:10.15abrotmanmkhlnsh: why should you?
21:10.21stonedabrotman, explain to me the 'smart move' sarcasm.
21:10.35mkhlnshstoned, i supose it has a good/strong password...
21:10.42abrotmani shouldn't have to
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21:11.13abrotmanIOW .. it should be obvious
21:11.33stonedabrotman, it isn't, at least if it is, I'm not somehow considering it..
21:11.39stonedit eludes at me at this point
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21:12.36stonedabrotman, could you kindly tell me what problem you see with that if the box is not connected to the network, has only 1 user, me, and I don't use sudo unless I need to do system management tasks.
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21:13.26stonedif its obvious to anyone else, please feel free to share it with me.
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21:14.18mkhlnshabrotman, on Ubuntu i used to read logs from my normal user. now i have to enter my root password everytime. before starting to read man pages about how and why to configure sudo i would like to know why _you_ think it is ok not to use it. i did not like it, but i would like to know your reason(s).
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21:16.01enoufmkhlnsh: add your user to adm group
21:16.20mkhlnshenouf, it is allready there
21:16.32stonedso then its not so obvious.
21:16.37stoned...
21:16.49enoufif so, you can read most logs in /var/log/
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21:23.39hhosare there any programs a user couldn't install directly to his home directory in linux?
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21:24.57eeg3lots of programs are written by lazy developers that require access to other directories
21:25.45hhosbut most of the main ones should work?
21:25.58ArseniosWhy does my Debian ETch box not have glxgears or glxinfo?
21:26.02hhosvim, screen, etc
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21:26.44stonedas long as the system admin has the libs installed that you need, and as long as you have permissions to build the software, and given you have the proper $PATH, yes it should be fairly easy to get most applicationg going inside a ~/
21:26.56stoneds/libs/dependencies
21:27.27stonedArsenios, because you have not yet installed the mesa-utils package
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21:28.50Arseniosthats the package I should apt-get... mesa-utils
21:28.52ArseniosTY
21:29.00stonedsure
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21:32.12Agent_bobso does sound depend on python ?
21:32.29stoneddepends on which app
21:32.30asgno
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21:32.42stonedthe soundsystem itself does not require python to play
21:32.43Agent_bobstoned no app   just sound support
21:32.49stonedthen no
21:33.18Agent_bobthen i wonder why i can't get any sound out of this thing
21:33.20stoned(in other words, python would still be a requirement of the app, not sound itself)
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21:34.03dante_2coreapologies guys, had two instances running with irssi, both keeping to get my real nick back, so sorry for the spam
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21:34.25asgdante_2core: in the future, /msg nickserv ghost
21:34.41dante_2coreasg, dk what that is but i'll read up on it
21:34.59dante_2coreasg, ah I see, thank you.
21:35.05asgdante_2core: you're welcome
21:36.00pululushi peolple!!!
21:36.06dante_2corebrb testing
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21:37.21Agent_bobi guess i'll have to boot a liveCD and work out the modules. then come back and finish.  ;/
21:37.47Agent_bobi just hate to have hardware that i can't access.
21:38.00stonedsound is pertty important
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21:38.26Agent_bobnot really.  but i would like to get it working.    if that was a quesiont
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21:38.53trolkhi someones can help me to connect wifi .. i dont know.. how to set up a connection
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21:43.04wolstrolk: have you read the path I gave you?
21:44.01trolkwols please repeat me the path im reading wireless how to but not yet finish
21:44.56wols<PROTECTED>
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21:45.30dante_2coreasg, thnx
21:45.32trolkok. im know reading thanks,, but just 1 question
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21:46.27trolkwols,  after i can see the APs in wifi radar, so only remain to configure the ath0 (throught wireless-tool)???
21:48.58wolsyes
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21:52.25trolkwols and why 2 interfaces, thereis wifi0 and ath0 when i do ifconfig
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21:55.33trolkwols i follow the instruction in  /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ but doesn work
21:57.45pululus...
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22:00.37buu~/octoshape$ ./OctoshapeClient
22:00.37buubash: ./OctoshapeClient: No such file or directory
22:00.37buubuu@storage:~/octoshape$ ls -l OctoshapeClient
22:00.37buu-rwxrwxrwx 1 buu buu 96136 2008-05-22 07:00 OctoshapeClient
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22:00.50buuThat wasn't nice =[
22:01.03buuAnyway, am I going completely insane? Why does it tell me it can't find the file?
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22:01.41pululuswhazzup buu?
22:02.06windowshasyoubuu: In order to be insane, you'd have to be a woman...
22:02.30buupululus: Did you see my paste a couple of lines up?
22:02.39buuI'm trying to execute a binary and it says "not found"
22:03.10pululusmmm...
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22:03.47buuThis puzzles me
22:03.51pululustry ask a Wols...
22:04.04trolkwols,
22:04.20pululussorry.. wols
22:05.22trolkcan anyone help me to use the ***!*!* wireless
22:06.05trolkim trying to connect to a router with WEP
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22:09.04pululusbut, you're wireless device, work?
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22:09.57pululusso, you can try conect another APs?
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22:11.14pululuswww.apartacoradio.com.ve
22:11.26vasco_i am installatin my aplication: dpkg --install Nessus-3.2.1-debian4_i386.de but it install nessus in /opt/
22:11.56vasco_the probleme is i don t have a partition for /opt/ then i don t have enough space in / for nessus
22:12.20vasco_do you have a solution?
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22:12.44pululussorry, i dont know..
22:12.53jelly-homevasco_: a) that package is not a part of debian, and b) you can make /opt a symlink
22:12.57Octalotbuu - what's the first line of that file?
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22:13.15TMMhi all!
22:13.28vasco_jelly-home, i cant make /opt to pint to /home/vasco/opt then?
22:13.43vasco_jelly-home, what is the line to enter on my linux terminal?
22:13.54TMMI've got a question: I want to upgrade my coloc box to lenny (from etch) and I have NO WAY of getting to the machine physically... is there anything I should be aware of in Lenny currently? :)
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22:14.41jelly-homevasco_: create the destination directory first, and use ln command.
22:14.41Octalotbuu ... or is it a binary instead of a script (which can give that error for missing libraries).
22:16.14pabwhen will lenny become stable and what will testing be called?  Anyone know?
22:16.36Octalot!wir
22:16.36dpkgwir is, like, When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
22:16.51Octalotand lenny+1 is squeeze
22:17.12vasco_ln -s /home/vasco/opt /opt
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22:17.16trolkis there a fucking way to know how to connect to a router wireless
22:17.23vasco_jelly-home, it s doesn t works
22:17.27trolkmust i edit the interfaces??
22:17.49jelly-home!errors
22:17.49dpkgif you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing.  Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too
22:17.59hefneris there a good reason why the dns on my debian lenny machine should have recently stopped working, despite resolv.conf looking right and being able to ping my DNS server?
22:18.21jelly-homevasco_: /home/vasco/opt should exist first
22:18.37vasco_jelly-home, the command ln -s /home/vasco/opt /opt create a loop /opt/opt/opt/opt/opt/opt
22:18.52vasco_jelly-home, i am in /
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22:19.16jelly-homevasco_: you'll also have to remove the current /opt directory
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22:20.21vasco_jelly-home, ok it s done
22:21.16TeXnicerHi there. I just installed etch (2.6.18-6-686) and miss USB-support (dmesg wont tell a new USB-Stick attached), now my first idea was to install hotplug, but apt-get tells me that "udev conflicts with hotplug" or apt-get install hotplug says "removing <kernel>"... o.O ... how to get USB-Support for an fresh etch?
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22:21.34vasco_jelly-home, thank you
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22:21.48pululuswell, good bye for all!
22:21.53chuckhi, i'm getting a lot of locale errors, how do i generate them?
22:21.55pululusSayonara!!!
22:22.04buuOctalot: Yeah, it's a binary
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22:24.50chuckanyone know?
22:25.27abrotmanchuck: dpkg-reconfigure locales
22:25.40chuckthanks abrotman :-)
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22:31.18pabIs there a good "current" how-to for adding a startup script in /etc/init.d?
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22:33.10cafuegopab: There should be a template file there
22:33.26cafuegopab: The links in the various runlevels you set via `update-rc.d'
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22:34.22abrotman!run at startup
22:34.22dpkgMake a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
22:35.47cYmeni just ran sudo dpkg -r --ignore-depends=libapache-db-perl libapache2-mod-perl2 and then reinstalled it to get my /etc/apache2/mods-available/perl.load back but it didn't work
22:35.51cYmenany suggestions?
22:36.34pabcafuego, I ran update-rc.d successfully.  It's a simple bash script I can run from the command line but won't at boot up.
22:36.42abrotman!tell cYmen about confmiss
22:37.07cafuegopab: Does the script have the facility to pass CLI params like stop, start etc?
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22:37.26simonrvncafuego: hello :). mindreader ;).
22:37.33cafuegospooky
22:37.48simonrvnooga booga
22:38.15pababrotman, thank you am looking.  cafuego no, probably my trouble.....brb
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22:39.38cYmenwell dpkg is a pretty smart cunt
22:39.40cYmenthanks abrotman
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22:42.23stonedhow come more people don't use svg for web graphics?
22:42.48abrotmanbecause IE6 doesn't support it
22:44.16stonediceweasel3?
22:44.34stonedI'm trying to look at some examples of animated svg and nothing seems to be moving around anywhere
22:45.39abrotmani told you earlier that gecko didn't do it
22:45.47stonedI must have missed it
22:45.55stonedit requires an adobe plugin hmm
22:45.58abrotmannot sure if webkit does ornot
22:46.07stonedcan't be worse than flash
22:46.36stonedis there a nonadobe svg plgin for mozilla
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22:47.40stonedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics#Support_for_SVG_in_web_browsers
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22:48.46abrotmanmaybe they took it out of iceweasel .. NFC
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22:53.11Octalotstoned - haven't checked animation, but the version of iceape in sid has SVG in
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22:53.41Octalot(obligatory: don't switch to unstable for this)
22:53.44guysoft42hey, is there a way to use dpkg-buildpackage and skip a creation of a source package?
22:54.17OctalotRTFM!
22:55.11cafuegodpkg-buildpackage -b
22:55.24cafuegoLike it says in the --help options.
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22:59.02stonedabrotman, you use opera right... I just installed it and tried out http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/ovaling.svg <--trippy
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22:59.21stonedapparantly opera is one of the only browsers with ful svg support
22:59.45cafuegoHmm, starburst
23:00.03stonedbut with a svg plugin for a browser, its still a much better alternative to using flash
23:00.19stonedyou can make interactive stuff using javascript and svg
23:00.27Octalotok, iceape doesn't animate
23:00.35stonedOctalot, yeh, gecko won't
23:01.05stonedOctalot, i installed opera just... and now it doesn't seem to display banner ads, I can live with it... plus it has greasemonkey/stylish type functionality
23:01.12stonedit might be useful
23:01.38Octalotthinks of Flash-based advertising, and wonders if gecko's limitation is Not A Bad Thing
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23:02.05abrotmanOctalot: at least svg is a standard
23:02.28cafuegoit's not hard to turn flash off.
23:02.33cafuegoor just not turn it on.
23:02.39stonedimagine, ajax, php and svg
23:02.52stonedyummy
23:03.09OctalotA lot of banner ads seem to be cross-site JavaScript now.  I don't block banners, but I'm not going to turn on JavaScript at random for them.  (This is to prevent annoyance, rather than a security worry).
23:03.15cafuegostoned: sssh. or they'll all want one.
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23:04.24stonedwell I think its time people got educated on svg
23:04.26stonedits fairly powerful
23:04.46kingsley_Is it possible to skip ahead in the list of files being paged by the "less" command? If so, how? It seems to me that its man page says pressing ":5" should skip ahead five files, but mine doesn't.
23:04.46stonedthe most amazing thing to me is svg artwork retians is quality no matter what size you blow it up to
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23:05.25jpinxHow do I change the language in  etch?
23:05.50abrotmandpkg-reconfigure locales
23:06.06jpinx:)
23:07.22stonedjpinx, hi
23:08.49jpinxHola stoned
23:08.53stonedhi
23:08.54jpinxhowś life?
23:09.04stonedim sick
23:09.09stonedflu
23:09.14stonedcold stuff
23:09.31Octalotkingsley_:    5:n   without pressing : first will skip ahead 5 buffers
23:09.33stonedand i gotta go out to the city tonight :(
23:09.49Octalotwhy do you have to?
23:10.11stonedman I'm loving svg more and more every minute
23:10.22kingsley_Octalot: Sweet! Thank you.
23:12.11mkhlnshconsole-setup was not installed by default, i had to install it myself. how do i change console fonts to be able to use vga=791 on /boot/grub/menu.lst? adding that to the kernel line makes the console useless even after using dpkg-reconfigure console-setup...
23:12.36mkhlnshi mean is there any other way to "fix" this?
23:13.02abrotmanyou add it to your grub config
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23:13.57mkhlnshplease read again...
23:14.54abrotmanthe fonts still work in 791
23:15.17guysoft42... you could just say dpkg-buildpackage -b :( ... oh well, here we go
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23:17.31jpinxis there a really easy way to switch between two languages in GUI?
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23:19.43mkhlnshjpinx, have both languages installed and switch on the GUI login manager before login on X. at least GDM and KDM have an option for this.
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23:20.26jpinxmkhinsh: that means logging out and back in to change language?
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23:21.37mkhlnshjpinx, yes. at least this the method i use some thimes. don't know other...
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23:23.01jpinxmkhinsh:  cool thanks
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23:25.47trolkis there  a way to have xfce with icons desktop
23:26.17flowerI added this to my sourcelist, but how do I install the package from this repo instead of the default debian testing package?
23:26.19flowerdeb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/pentium4/ ./
23:26.46simonrvntrolk: in your settings for xfce4....
23:26.54Slingflower : why not just wget the .deb file and dpkg -i it?
23:27.28flowerSling: will that also install the dependencies?
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23:28.38troubledsimonrvn: http://pinds.com/2007/5/27/knowing-which-screw-to-turn  :)
23:28.50mkhlnshflower, it should. if ya need more dependencies from the other repo just wget them too
23:28.52stonedsimonrvn, abrotman http://dudeman.gotdns.com/debian.svg
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23:29.03stonedwhat do you think, am I the man or what! ;)
23:29.07trolksimonrvn, so i cen drag and drop shorcut from the menu to desktop
23:29.11flowerand what is the wget command ?
23:29.49stonedlearning to add shadows and lighting hehe =D svg kicks ass
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23:30.14troubledstoned: blender dude! blender!
23:30.35abrotmanthere's a miscolored bit in it
23:30.41troubledabrotman!
23:30.48troubledwhole gang here today :)
23:30.52stonedyeh i missed a few
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23:31.15stonedtroubled, hey
23:31.32mkhlnshflower, man wget. or if it is too complicated just download the files that you need using any method, save them on a special folder, and dpkg -i *.deb on that foler
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23:32.31Slingwhere 'special folder' is not a folder filled with .deb files
23:33.57mkhlnshhopes that man wget will be simple enough
23:35.34stonedtroubled, blender can export to svg?
23:36.02troubledstoned: no, im just pushing blender on you next, since our vim talk :)
23:36.05stonedVectors are a special method of defining imagery which use shapes rather than pixels, and therefore can be scaled indefinitely without loss of quality.
23:36.25stonedtroubled, yeh... I'm am emacs kinda guy and have been since you talked to me about aim
23:36.25troubledstoned: it can work with svg for some stuff I think though for imports, but ive never tried it
23:36.28stoneder.. vim
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23:36.38troubledoh noes, emacs OS!
23:36.46stonedindeed, elisp ftw
23:37.05troubledlong as you arent irc'ing from it.....are you? :)
23:37.17stoneduhm
23:37.34stonedno?
23:37.39stonedhehe
23:37.40troubledsay it aint so!!
23:37.42troubled:)
23:37.52stonedirssi under an emacs shell yes
23:37.57troubled....
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23:38.47troubledstoned: You have finally moved to the dark side!
23:38.58stonedbrb
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23:43.15PulpieI need to get the notify-send command which is usually on gnome but I cant find it in apt anywhere... anyone have any idea where in apt I could find it? I am using lenny.
23:44.06troubledapt-file search notify-send
23:44.09troubledlibnotify-bin: usr/bin/notify-send
23:44.11troubledPulpie: ^^^
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23:44.25troubledPulpie: thats etch though, not sure if its the same package name in lenny
23:44.42abrotman!tell Pulpie about search
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23:45.00abrotman$ apt-file search notify-send
23:45.00abrotmanlibnotify-bin: /usr/bin/notify-send
23:45.17Pulpieabrotman: i have searched via apt-get cache
23:45.34abrotmanread all of what the bot told you
23:45.38troubledPulpie: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search notify-send
23:45.45abrotmanaptitude install!
23:45.45aptitudeThere are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
23:45.47troubledand what abrotman said :)
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23:45.55abrotmanaptitude: shuddup
23:45.55aptitudeFine, I'll be quiet.
23:46.00mkhlnshi'm having a litle problem with a printer, and keep geting messages like: "Pause-Printer: Unauthorized" every time. what is wrong?
23:46.08troubledabrotman: new bot?
23:46.16abrotmantroubled: not really .. backup for dpkg
23:46.20troubledah
23:46.39troubledbad choice of nicks :)
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23:59.50c0rleonesomeone can tell me a repository which haves atheros drivers, please?

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