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| 00:02.24 | sajes | c0rleone: Debian's repository has madwifi. You just need to enable contrib and non-free. |
| 00:04.08 | c0rleone | sajes deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib ? |
| 00:07.10 | davi | http://gnuherds.org/pledges?id=57 |
| 00:08.04 | xtor | debian-LennyBeta2-i386-DVD-1.iso <-- Is this a really outdated lenny DVD? Would I be better off downloading a testing weekly build than installing from this? |
| 00:08.34 | sajes | xtor: That's a relatively new-ish iso. |
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| 00:09.09 | Pulpie | xtor: i got the debian lenny cd 1 |
| 00:09.17 | Pulpie | xtor: then installed from ftp... |
| 00:09.48 | f00li5h | how do i ask which init level my system is at? |
| 00:09.55 | Pulpie | xtor: thats as new as you can get it seems. |
| 00:09.56 | sajes | c0rleone: I use deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main {enter the rest here}, but that's because I use Lenny. I assume Etch's uri's are somewhat alike. |
| 00:10.13 | Pulpie | f00li5h: man init ? |
| 00:10.34 | xtor | sajes, Pulpie I mounted that iso and did an ls -al and looks like the file dates are from JULY :( |
| 00:11.14 | sajes | xtor: Why not just do a network install? |
| 00:11.28 | Pulpie | xtor: my way installs from the main ftp server... or any other server but usually the main will get as updated as possible without getting a weekly test cd |
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| 00:12.06 | xtor | I am not doing a net install cuz I expect about 2 or 3 installs and reformats. I don't wanna bog down the debian servers or waste a lotta time downloading either |
| 00:12.23 | Pulpie | xtor: then just get the weekly test stuff. |
| 00:12.28 | xtor | The question is though, exactly how old is this DVD and why does it say beta2? |
| 00:12.40 | xtor | when was beta2 released and why does it say beta2? |
| 00:12.53 | xtor | I cant even find where I downloaded it from any more--odd |
| 00:12.56 | xtor | is puzzled |
| 00:13.02 | Pulpie | xtor: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=lenny+beta+2&spell=1 |
| 00:13.17 | sajes | xtor: Lenny is in it's near-stable-release stage, thus the beta2. |
| 00:13.21 | Pulpie | look at the THIRD one down. |
| 00:13.30 | Pulpie | says right there dude. |
| 00:13.39 | xtor | Its from JUNE 2008 |
| 00:13.51 | Pulpie | xtor: then there you go! |
| 00:13.52 | xtor | so it is quite ancient, for a lenny build :( |
| 00:13.56 | xtor | weeps |
| 00:14.00 | Pulpie | rolls eyes |
| 00:14.45 | Pulpie | xtor: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html you might want to read this. |
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| 00:18.21 | f00li5h | paws at Pulpie |
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| 00:19.12 | Pulpie | paws back, did that answer your question correctly? |
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| 00:21.29 | f00li5h | Pulpie: well, ps shows init [2] so i guess so |
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| 00:22.47 | callahad | Hi, does anyone have Cups working and broadcasting to Mac OS X boxes? They're not auto-discovering my printer :( |
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| 00:23.02 | callahad | (Linux boxes discover the printers just fine) |
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| 00:25.42 | puff | Hm, I only have 301 MB left in my /var partition (total of 5GB). |
| 00:25.57 | puff | Could this be causing problems? |
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| 00:26.39 | ndee | is there a way to tell the sshd that if an ip tries 5 connections attempt in a minute and all passwords fail, that the IP is banned? |
| 00:28.03 | karsten | ndee: failtoban |
| 00:28.40 | Pulpie | f00li5h: it doesn't show for me |
| 00:29.00 | Pulpie | f00li5h: but if it works for you then thats good. |
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| 00:29.32 | f00li5h | Pulpie: although... init \d doesn't seem to start things... |
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| 00:30.04 | karsten | ndee: ... which I _thought_ was a Debian package but apparently isn't. |
| 00:30.14 | karsten | ndee: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Block_repeated_illegal_or_failed_SSH_logins or related Google searches. |
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| 00:31.15 | karsten | ndee: the usual caveat is to whitelist or otherwise protect IPs from which you _do_ ordinarially accept logins. |
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| 00:32.05 | karsten | ndee: fail2ban, denyhosts, and/or iptables in general. |
| 00:32.24 | karsten | ndee: First two _are_ debian packages. |
| 00:32.37 | ndee | ok, I gonna take a look at fail2ban |
| 00:32.38 | Pulpie | f00li5h: init # should start that init level. |
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| 00:32.49 | Pulpie | ndee: wasting your time in my opinion. |
| 00:33.05 | f00li5h | init gets cranky without an argument ^_^ |
| 00:33.13 | Pulpie | ndee: i have tried it and it really fails to ban. |
| 00:33.19 | me_stef4n | hi roomies |
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| 00:34.44 | me_stef4n | hmm |
| 00:36.38 | Pulpie | me_stef4n: stop eatting all my food. |
| 00:36.53 | ndee | Pulpie: So you would just use good passwords then or even just publickey authentification? |
| 00:37.23 | Pulpie | ndee: yeah and change the port |
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| 00:43.30 | Polizei | better just stop sshd :> |
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| 00:48.09 | karsten | Pulpie: In a good way or a bad way? |
| 00:49.25 | karsten | ndee: Do you have any idea where you want to _allow_ SSH connections from? You can come up with CIDR lists by doing lookups at asn.routeviews.org (reverse DNS lookup) of both allowed/disallowed hosts. |
| 00:49.39 | puff | Hm, looks like part of my var-getting-filled-up problem is a flood of virus mails, such that my "delete all quarantined virusmails more than 7 days old" cron job isn't clearing up enough space. |
| 00:49.55 | karsten | ndee: Moving sshd to a different port is possible as well, but that's really a security-through-obscurity tractic. |
| 00:49.56 | ndee | karsten: the problem is I don't have a static IP at home so |
| 00:50.06 | ndee | yeah, I don't wanna do security through obscurity |
| 00:50.22 | karsten | ndee: Um, that really shouldn't matter. What you're concerned about is where the remote side is coming from. |
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| 00:51.07 | karsten | ndee: You're in switzerland, you're on hispeed.ch, AS8404, CIDR is 84.72.0.0/14 |
| 00:52.29 | ndee | yes |
| 00:52.45 | ndee | well, it's 2.52, gotta go to bed. Thanks for the suggestions |
| 00:52.52 | karsten | ndee: So, say, you want to allow logins from other hispeed IPs, you would allow anything from that CIDR block. |
| 00:52.55 | karsten | ndee: NP. |
| 00:53.13 | karsten | ndee: http://www.routeviews.org/ describes some of that. I'm trying to find out where the CIDR Report got to... |
| 00:53.42 | karsten | ndee: http://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/ |
| 00:54.10 | ndee | I will keep that in mind, thanks |
| 00:54.27 | karsten | http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS8404&view=2.0 |
| 00:54.32 | karsten | finds it, late as usual. |
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| 00:57.59 | n3kl | Anyone else having trouble with the k8temp module spitting out wrong temprature values? |
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| 01:00.43 | Pulpie | karsten: in a good or bad way what |
| 01:01.33 | Pulpie | n3kl: try asking in #kde or such maybe you will get a better response |
| 01:02.32 | n3kl | This has nothing to do with kde |
| 01:02.56 | Pulpie | oh sorry i assumed because the app starts with a k it was from the kde app package |
| 01:03.09 | n3kl | no, its a kernel module for specific cpu architecture |
| 01:03.56 | Pulpie | hmm well does this kernel module have its own support line, forums or what not because it doesn't seem anyone here has gotten the same problem. |
| 01:04.15 | n3kl | I will file a bug |
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| 01:10.14 | n3kl | Wow, its dead tonight |
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| 01:12.03 | amphi | stirs in the tomb |
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| 01:26.38 | amphi | !qotd0 |
| 01:26.38 | dpkg | hmm... qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
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| 01:29.54 | mimcpher | I fear I've buggered something: I removed gnome from my system, and now aptitude is warning me my packages are untrusted. What package has the keys to trust packages? |
| 01:32.22 | amphi | debian-keyring perhaps |
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| 01:32.50 | mimcpher | It was an odd problem, I had mistyped non-free as nonfree on one repository line and things went funky from there. |
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| 01:44.16 | karsten | Pulpie: fail2ban. Nevermind, I got it. |
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| 01:52.08 | dudeman | people are assholes |
| 01:52.11 | dudeman | fuck people. |
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| 02:11.03 | karsten | dudeman: Got a Debian-related problem you'd like to ask about? |
| 02:12.05 | karsten | notes it's stoned.... |
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| 02:13.29 | nkuttler | karsten: plenty of people in debian :) |
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| 02:16.30 | keith80403 | In synaptic, some packages have the debian swirl to the left of the package name - what does that signify? |
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| 02:21.44 | djs26 | Evening. I am having trouble using the ath5k driver on my atheros 5213A/5004G wireless card. It detects and seems to set up the card, but never connects or finds anything. |
| 02:22.48 | djs26 | Should I just use the madwifi setup, and if so, how do I kill the ath5k and is it possible to grab everything and throw it on a thumbdrive to transfer to the laptop? Reason i ask is I don't have wired internet here (hotel). |
| 02:23.30 | pab | I want to learn how to write a proper /etc/init.d/ script. Is there a man or an explanation of skeleton or something available that's not in bits? A better google search perhaps? |
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| 02:28.52 | karlpinc | pab: IIRC there's something in the debian policy document. And of cource plenty of examples in /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:31.25 | nkuttler | pab: /etc/init.d/skeleton, /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/ |
| 02:31.32 | dudeman | karsten, that was rhetoric you could have easily let go of, yet you decided to bring it up after 20 minutes. |
| 02:32.27 | dudeman | karsten, and incidentally I typed into the wrong channel window. |
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| 02:33.36 | nkuttler | dudeman: so why don't you drop it? |
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| 02:37.19 | pab | karlpinc, nkuttler: I play hit, miss and guess with those. Sometimes work, sometimes not. I guess I need to understand the syntax. So, I guess I need to study bash? |
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| 02:39.00 | dudeman | nkuttler, what are you talking about? |
| 02:39.37 | nkuttler | pab: dash will do |
| 02:40.01 | dudeman | nkuttler, im sure you've made a mistake like that before, typing into the wrong channel window |
| 02:40.13 | nkuttler | dudeman: please stop talking to me |
| 02:40.13 | dudeman | nkuttler, if you have never done it in your life then perhaps you can throw the first stone. |
| 02:40.31 | dudeman | nkuttler, /ignore dudeman |
| 02:40.40 | nkuttler | dudeman: i know irc, thanks |
| 02:40.57 | dudeman | obviously... thats why you chose to confront rather than ignore. |
| 02:41.04 | dudeman | good day to you. |
| 02:41.27 | Gun_Smoke | In preparing a USB stick for an install I'm trying to figure out if the syslinux.cfg file needs to contain anything other than the two lines mentioned in the installation guide? |
| 02:43.05 | dmoerner | Gun_Smoke, no, nothing other than default linux\n append initrd=initrd.gz or whatever it is |
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| 02:43.21 | Gun_Smoke | dmoerner, Thanks.. |
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| 02:46.48 | dudeman | people just wanna be pricks on purpose it seems. |
| 02:46.55 | dudeman | *sigh* |
| 02:47.37 | xtor | I'm getting this error trying to download a testing DVD --> "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 02:50.33 | enouf | whacks a few turds about the head with a 4' bong |
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| 02:53.35 | dudeman | heh |
| 02:54.21 | enouf | xtor: torrenting issue eh? |
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| 02:55.21 | twobitsprite | ohh... lenny got released? |
| 02:55.27 | twobitsprite | !testing |
| 02:55.27 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>. |
| 02:55.45 | enouf | so - anyone else see /alex listed in their default /etc/updatedb.conf ? |
| 02:56.54 | enouf | !shoot alex |
| 02:56.54 | dpkg | blows alex away with a double-barreled shotgun |
| 02:57.00 | mimcpher | Nope. And I'm on a fresh install. |
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| 02:57.28 | enouf | twobitsprite: it would be foremost in the /topic when it happens ;-) |
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| 02:58.03 | twobitsprite | enouf, yeah... I jus saw "x.xxx released" and didn't realize its just a minor update to etch |
| 02:58.23 | twobitsprite | (I've been out of the loop for a while :) |
| 02:58.42 | enouf | Results 1 - 9 of 9 for PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /sfs /media". (0.47 seconds) |
| 02:59.15 | ubuntu-ir | hello , i need a os that use minimum of ram , and very light and support deb file and have a light desktop , can you help me ? |
| 02:59.31 | enouf | Did you mean: PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /and /alex /var/spool /sfs /media who the fuck is alex? |
| 02:59.36 | sdps | Seem to be in a bit of a spot here. upon trying to startx, I get (EE) NV(0): Couldn't find hte DDC routing table. Mode setting will probably fail! (EE)Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found. I searched bugs.debian.org, but nothing exact, and naught on google. Any ideas hwo to fix this? |
| 02:59.39 | twobitsprite | ubuntu-ir, debian, with xfce maybe? |
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| 02:59.54 | enouf | Yes, yes, i did mean who the fuck is alex |
| 03:00.10 | ubuntu-ir | twobitsprite : can you link me? |
| 03:00.23 | twobitsprite | debain.org |
| 03:00.45 | sdps | twobitsprite: you mean debian.org?? ;) |
| 03:00.51 | twobitsprite | doh |
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| 03:01.00 | twobitsprite | cixelsyd today |
| 03:01.07 | enouf | !typosmite twobitsprite |
| 03:01.08 | dpkg | makes twobitsprite raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 03:01.12 | sdps | Not where he eats, but where he is eaten. |
| 03:01.13 | enouf | ;-0 |
| 03:01.29 | WormFood | what is the name of the package to make a deb from a tarball? |
| 03:01.39 | twobitsprite | deb-helper |
| 03:01.47 | twobitsprite | ? |
| 03:01.47 | WormFood | thanks twobitsprite |
| 03:01.55 | xtor | enouf, si |
| 03:01.56 | sdps | as in wormfood.. sorry, lit reference to the handle, wormfood. |
| 03:02.00 | enouf | gah - checkinstall - bad |
| 03:02.16 | xtor | http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/announce <-- This tracker seems to be the culprit |
| 03:02.46 | WormFood | oh sdps, I didn't know that was in reference to my nick ;) |
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| 03:03.26 | enouf | xtor: hrm, i know nothing about torrents (sadly, as i loathe all the ri/mpaa lunatics and dmca bullshit), but, hrm, try another one? |
| 03:03.26 | sdps | You may have known, but .... nevermind.. :-) |
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| 03:04.09 | enouf | loves gibberish - please continue :-P |
| 03:04.25 | WormFood | I remember seeing reference to a package to make tarballs into deb packages...anyone know what that package or program is named? |
| 03:04.44 | dmoerner | WormFood, dh_make? |
| 03:04.48 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 03:04.48 | dpkg | hmm... checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 03:04.51 | dudeman | !karsten++ |
| 03:05.01 | dudeman | ^a-hole no.1 |
| 03:05.03 | dudeman | ;) |
| 03:05.09 | xtor | is jigdo a decent way to download the files then, compared to torrents? I can just download the iso with jigdo? |
| 03:05.54 | jetscreamer | jigdo sucked a couple years ago |
| 03:06.01 | sdps | Frig.. this is frustrating. One day I'm all fine, running E17 like a dream, I shut down my system, decide not to take it home and the next day reboot it and I cannot startx. I must have changed something during the day, but I have no fucking idea what... |
| 03:06.16 | jetscreamer | xtor: i've had better luck with wget |
| 03:06.20 | dudeman | jetscreamer, ! :) |
| 03:06.26 | xtor | I want something faster than wget...torrents used to be faster |
| 03:06.30 | jetscreamer | hey dude! |
| 03:06.30 | karsten | sdps: Resolve it down to a single cause. |
| 03:06.37 | karsten | sdps: Does 'X' itself run? |
| 03:06.51 | sdps | karsten: no, I'm getting an error about a DDC routing table. |
| 03:06.53 | jetscreamer | xtor: not a lot of seeds afaik... been a month or two since i looked though |
| 03:07.11 | sdps | karsten: then I get dumped back to CLI |
| 03:07.14 | karsten | sdps: What release are you tracking? |
| 03:07.21 | WormFood | ok, that is great for software that installs through the normal "make install" process, but what about pre-compiled software that you drop in the right directory, and execute (like vmware for example (I only use that as an example, that is not what I'm trying to install, and know there is another special package just for vmware)) |
| 03:07.35 | karlpinc | xtor: If all you want to do is install, the net install is usually best. A small iso download. |
| 03:07.44 | sdps | karsten: unstable. And there are a few bugs vaguely related, but nothig directly or closely related that I can tell. |
| 03:07.54 | karsten | sdps: There've been some changes in xorg. What GPU? |
| 03:07.54 | xtor | sighs |
| 03:08.01 | sdps | Nvidia. |
| 03:08.14 | enouf | WormFood: if you want to track installation placement of files, maybe try stow? |
| 03:08.22 | sdps | Hrm.. I've not checked the xorg bug tracking lists.. perhaps I ought to head there. |
| 03:08.28 | sdps | karsten: ^^^^ |
| 03:08.51 | WormFood | enouf, no, I don't want to track files like that....I have a directory I can execute my software from, and I want to make a deb package out of that |
| 03:08.52 | karsten | sdps: Hrm... Haven't played w/ nvidia. Suggest you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:08.58 | enouf | WormFood: otherwise, i'm not sure what you're referring to, but many tools/scripts for pkg building are in the devscripts pkg |
| 03:09.12 | sdps | karsten: to be specific, geforce 8400 mobile |
| 03:09.15 | karsten | sdps: generic or nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 03:09.29 | karsten | sdps: yeah, not my area of expertise. |
| 03:09.40 | karsten | (eg: specific nvidia HW releases). |
| 03:09.42 | sdps | karsten: strictly debian packages. |
| 03:09.49 | enouf | !debuild |
| 03:09.53 | enouf | eww |
| 03:10.28 | karsten | sdps: OK. |
| 03:10.30 | sdps | karsten: Kk, I'll pastebin it and bug the xorg channels. Thanks man. /nod |
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| 03:10.46 | karsten | sdps: NP. If you find gravity around he's the packager. |
| 03:10.58 | sdps | karsten: beaut. Thanks much! |
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| 03:11.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.26 | karlpinc | I just tried live-helper. Pretty slick. I'm getting the error "hda: DMA table too small" running badblocks off an old knoppix cd. I figured I'd try a debian-live cd. But before I do, anybody have any suggestions? |
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| 03:11.43 | enouf | or try the !nmu |
| 03:12.01 | enouf | gah |
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| 03:12.04 | enouf | or try the !nmg |
| 03:12.26 | enouf | let's out a few small brainfarts ... phew |
| 03:12.33 | dudeman | hm |
| 03:12.38 | dudeman | stop stiking up the chan dude |
| 03:12.41 | ceil420 | X should come with xterm :( |
| 03:12.43 | dudeman | stinking* |
| 03:12.52 | dudeman | ceil420, hey why do I remember your nickname |
| 03:12.59 | ceil420 | i installed openbox/X/gdm, then logged in to mah new gui |
| 03:13.08 | ceil420 | but couldn't pull up a terminal window to install more stuff :x |
| 03:13.11 | karsten | ceil420: xclients does. |
| 03:13.23 | ceil420 | had to boot into single-user mode to install xterm >< |
| 03:13.36 | ceil420 | cos i couldn't get back to tty1-6 once gdm was started, either :x |
| 03:13.38 | dudeman | ceil420, coulda just went to alt+f2... |
| 03:13.42 | ceil420 | ^ |
| 03:13.48 | dudeman | alt+ctrl+f2 |
| 03:13.52 | ceil420 | ... ^ |
| 03:13.59 | dudeman | chvt 2? |
| 03:13.59 | ceil420 | i can never go back to those once X is running |
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| 03:14.01 | ceil420 | i don't know why |
| 03:14.05 | dudeman | try cvht |
| 03:14.05 | ceil420 | chvt? |
| 03:14.08 | dudeman | yes |
| 03:14.10 | ceil420 | is that a terminal command? |
| 03:14.11 | karsten | ceil420: ... or um, something. xclients-base? or maybe xterm ;-) |
| 03:14.14 | dudeman | chvt change virtal term |
| 03:14.21 | karsten | ceil420: chvt is a command line command. |
| 03:14.23 | dudeman | yes |
| 03:14.27 | ceil420 | i didn't have a terminal with which to enter commands |
| 03:14.31 | ceil420 | that was my whole problem :x |
| 03:14.36 | dudeman | ceil420, open box has a run dialog doesn't it |
| 03:14.42 | ceil420 | how do you access it? |
| 03:14.45 | dudeman | not sure |
| 03:14.52 | ceil420 | to my knowledge, it just has a menu |
| 03:14.53 | dudeman | if i doesn't, time to ditch it and get another wm |
| 03:14.56 | ceil420 | not even panels 'n' shit |
| 03:14.58 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 03:15.02 | ceil420 | i normally don't need a run dialog |
| 03:15.09 | dudeman | right now youcould aused one |
| 03:15.10 | ceil420 | i have 'xterm' right at the top of my openbox menu |
| 03:15.16 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:15.18 | dudeman | now you have xterm |
| 03:15.20 | ceil420 | i just didn't happen to have xterm installed :x |
| 03:15.22 | dudeman | we're done. |
| 03:15.24 | ceil420 | yeah |
| 03:15.30 | enouf | karlpinc: all i can say is dmesg will have some info about DMA and zones; however, is hda you cdrom? or HDD? |
| 03:15.35 | ceil420 | glad i remembered single-user mode, though |
| 03:15.39 | ceil420 | i was ready to reinstall lol |
| 03:15.43 | karlpinc | enouf : hdd |
| 03:15.49 | enouf | guys guys .. complete thoughts please ;-) |
| 03:15.51 | ceil420 | (no big deal, i've done it so many times now i'm down to 15mins to a base install) |
| 03:16.11 | ceil420 | enouf, you should know me well enough by now to know that i don't have complete thoughts |
| 03:16.12 | ceil420 | :p |
| 03:16.22 | enouf | karlpinc: well, i never used live-helper - see #debian-live? is that where it's from? |
| 03:16.40 | karlpinc | enouf : _Something_ is flaky about the box. I'm thinking I should just stick the drive in another box and try badblocks there. |
| 03:16.54 | karsten | ceil420: 'x-terminal-emulator' should generally bring up whatever terminal window is installed. |
| 03:17.05 | karlpinc | enouf : Yes. Makes a live iso. I can even understand sorta what's happening with about 2 minutes of poking about. |
| 03:17.08 | ceil420 | karlpinc, there wasn't one installed |
| 03:17.11 | enouf | karlpinc: did you copy an ISO to your HDD and boot from it? like many (knoppix for one) liveCDs can? |
| 03:17.20 | ceil420 | i tried that, because it's the default in openbox's menu |
| 03:17.32 | karlpinc | enouf : No. I burned a cd and used that to boot and run badblocks. |
| 03:17.41 | dudeman | is there an svg player for iceweasel in debian? |
| 03:17.43 | enouf | karlpinc: how mych system ram is installed? |
| 03:17.48 | dudeman | svg animations player |
| 03:17.52 | karlpinc | enouf : Only 256M. |
| 03:18.00 | dudeman | or do I have to install the fucking adobe shit |
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| 03:18.10 | enouf | karlpinc: well, try booting your "cd" with no X or DE |
| 03:18.28 | jetscreamer | did ff3/iceweasel die |
| 03:18.32 | karlpinc | enouf : I used -c 20480. So I tried again with -c 4096. I did boot the knoppix cd in single user mode. |
| 03:18.34 | jetscreamer | s/did/die/ |
| 03:18.38 | enouf | karlpinc: as in "linux single" or "knoppix 2" |
| 03:18.53 | karlpinc | enouf : knoppix 1 |
| 03:19.16 | enouf | karlpinc: is your HDD mounted and is swap being used? |
| 03:19.33 | karlpinc | enouf : No. I'm running badblocks -w on the entire drive. |
| 03:19.35 | WormFood | is there a debian package for firefox3 somewhere? |
| 03:19.45 | ceil420 | Lenny's iceweasel is firefox 3 |
| 03:19.47 | enouf | karlpinc: i think it's 'knoppix 2' but ask #knoppix about that |
| 03:19.51 | WormFood | I'm running sid |
| 03:19.56 | ceil420 | even newer |
| 03:19.57 | dudeman | !ff3 |
| 03:19.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
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| 03:20.29 | WormFood | so they quit calling it "icerape"? |
| 03:20.30 | karlpinc | enouf : If it's running out of ram that's the problem, I should be ok by setting a smaller -c value for badblocks. |
| 03:20.37 | ceil420 | rofl |
| 03:20.41 | ceil420 | iceape is Thunderbird, i think |
| 03:20.49 | WormFood | no |
| 03:20.56 | ceil420 | or maybe that's their seamonkey |
| 03:21.01 | enouf | karlpinc: cat /proc/mounts to see - knoppix will use your swap .. not sure what's going on there - but perhaps you do need to mount - i haven't messed with badblocks, if a HDD is dead, the HDD Manu utils will tell me |
| 03:21.07 | ceil420 | i don't care about all debian's re-branding, just iceweasel |
| 03:21.26 | jetscreamer | iceape is mozilla |
| 03:21.30 | jetscreamer | the suite |
| 03:21.31 | WormFood | I'm having problems with icerape, which is why I want to purge that shit |
| 03:21.38 | karlpinc | enouf : HDD Manu utils? |
| 03:21.48 | WormFood | I can't even use <enter> on the address bar now |
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| 03:21.57 | enouf | HDD Manufacturer's utilities |
| 03:22.06 | enouf | Diagnostics |
| 03:22.08 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge iceape |
| 03:22.41 | karlpinc | enouf : That's a thought. I suppose they require MS Windows, which I've not got. Although I do have an old DOS 6.2 floppy somewhere. |
| 03:23.07 | enouf | karlpinc: you can get a nice replacement HDD nowadays for ~40 USD ;-) |
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| 03:23.21 | karlpinc | enouf : That's what this is! :-P |
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| 03:23.54 | enouf | karlpinc: many come as floppy ;-) like seatools, iirc |
| 03:23.57 | enouf | gah |
| 03:24.14 | enouf | karlpinc: you're running badblocks on a new HDD? |
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| 03:25.28 | karlpinc | enouf : Yes. I like to test them first. It passed, but now, a month later, I've strange issues. Occasionally I get EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_readdir: directory #181712 contains a hole at offset 4096 -- And the partition is remoounted ro. But there's no other messages anywhere, just an fs message in the logs. |
| 03:25.42 | WormFood | thanks again ceil420, that is the info I was needing |
| 03:25.47 | karlpinc | enouf : So, I'mt trying badblocks again. |
| 03:25.51 | ceil420 | :o |
| 03:25.53 | enouf | WormFood: i concur that much software needs to be combined with unfavorable terms (note my usage of MPoop), but please try to leave certain words out of that area ;-) |
| 03:25.54 | ceil420 | np |
| 03:26.16 | karlpinc | enouf : memtest86+ says no problems -- after about 6 hours and 15 passes or so. |
| 03:26.26 | WormFood | what is "MPoop" enouf? |
| 03:26.35 | enouf | karlpinc: dm-0 ? you're using your Motherboards fakeraid? |
| 03:26.58 | enouf | WormFood: MicroPoop == XPoop == Redmond excrement ;-) |
| 03:27.06 | karlpinc | enouf : LVM. I get messages about dm-1, and I think others too. |
| 03:27.13 | WormFood | oh, you mean Micro$lop |
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| 03:27.41 | WormFood | the day microsoft makes a product that don't suck, is the day they make a vacuum |
| 03:27.41 | enouf | karlpinc: well, somehow LVM might be causing that |
| 03:28.12 | WormFood | remember one thing about microsoft....they do not make products to use, they make products to sell |
| 03:28.27 | karlpinc | enouf : I've installed the etchnhalf kernel, just to see. But have not run it yet. (I got the DMA problem on my knoppix badblocks run to worry about. :-( |
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| 03:29.04 | enouf | karlpinc: i'm not sure, but us that an inode number? (#181712) and are they all the same number? or are they all close together? |
| 03:29.14 | karlpinc | enouf : I'm hoping there's not some wierd vm problem, or dma from some other hardware. The box itself is old, but new to me. |
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| 03:29.33 | enouf | karlpinc: use find -inum to locate that inode (and / or others) |
| 03:29.59 | enouf | karlpinc: maybe your Motherboard sucks ass - or just it's BIOS |
| 03:30.07 | dudeman | what |
| 03:30.09 | enouf | 256M Ram tells me it's ancient |
| 03:30.09 | karlpinc | enouf : I don't think the inodes are close, but I've not recorded too many of the messages. They're only in dmesg so don't get logged. |
| 03:30.12 | dudeman | mobos sucking ass? impossbile |
| 03:30.18 | dudeman | bios features are where its at |
| 03:30.28 | dudeman | bios features is what makes the mobo suck or not suck |
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| 03:30.37 | dudeman | what are you going nto do with kickass mobo, if the bios sucks ? |
| 03:30.44 | dudeman | think about it |
| 03:30.49 | enouf | djs26: bad capacitors, broken traces, etc etc |
| 03:30.57 | dudeman | wrong nick |
| 03:30.59 | karlpinc | enouf : I can't find anything in the bios to poke. I did turn off power managmement. It's a 800MHz PIII. |
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| 03:31.01 | enouf | yes |
| 03:31.03 | dudeman | but yeh, thats physical damage |
| 03:31.07 | enouf | djs26: ignore me |
| 03:31.12 | dudeman | thats not the mobo sucking, and that has nothing to do with the bios |
| 03:31.25 | dudeman | and/or software |
| 03:31.33 | enouf | dudeman: stop misunderstanding me you weenie |
| 03:31.37 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:31.40 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:32.07 | karlpinc | I just want a box that runs with a bit of disk space so I can backup an imbedded debian box. Just a few gig is enough. |
| 03:32.13 | enouf | karlpinc: iflash the fucker |
| 03:32.51 | enouf | karlpinc: really - reseat all your RAM and any PCI and AGP cards |
| 03:33.05 | enouf | karlpinc: also, check your HDDs cabling and jumpers - physically |
| 03:33.18 | enouf | karlpinc: see #hardware ;-) |
| 03:33.20 | karlpinc | enouf : Ok. I already replace the IDE cable, just in case. |
| 03:33.32 | enouf | karlpinc: new HDDs want 80wire cables |
| 03:33.46 | karlpinc | enouf : Yup. Got it. |
| 03:33.52 | enouf | karlpinc: and no longer than 18" |
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| 03:34.14 | karlpinc | enouf : I replaced a 3 inch cable with a 2 inch cable. :-) |
| 03:34.34 | enouf | huh? karlpinc what size is that hDD? |
| 03:34.46 | enouf | karlpinc: does your BIOS see the full capacity? |
| 03:34.49 | karlpinc | enouf : 160G It was the smallest I could get. |
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| 03:35.08 | karlpinc | enouf : I'm sure not. I think it sees 6G or so. But I've a separate boot partition. |
| 03:35.19 | enouf | has recently seen 80GB IDE/ATA on sale - but nm that' |
| 03:35.38 | enouf | reflash that BIOS to latest you can find |
| 03:36.04 | enouf | my BIOS only sees 65,536MB of my 80,000MB HDDs ;-) |
| 03:36.09 | karlpinc | oh, ick. More dos floppy fussing. |
| 03:36.31 | karlpinc | enouf : Why do I care what the bios sees? |
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| 03:36.41 | enouf | but linux sees it all fine ;-) |
| 03:36.56 | enouf | karlpinc: erm, go learn about BIOS mappings ;-) |
| 03:37.22 | enouf | karlpinc: see the e820 stuff in dmesg? :-P |
| 03:37.51 | enouf | ok, this is way too intimate now .. |
| 03:38.27 | karlpinc | enouf : Dunno. I could go look. It's running badblocks now off the knoppix disk. |
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| 03:40.38 | enouf | karlpinc: listen when you boot, save dmesg, lsmod, and lspci logs and output of /proc/iomem and /proc/meminfo and /proc/interrupts for later comparison - also are you using ACPI? dmesg will tell you much about that - if not, try booting with acpi=force - |
| 03:41.00 | enouf | s/-// |
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| 03:41.41 | mad_muppet | how would I find out how much free space I have on my hardrive? |
| 03:41.50 | dmoerner | df |
| 03:42.02 | karlpinc | enouf : I turned off acpi in the bios. Should I turn it back on? |
| 03:42.08 | jetscreamer | df -h |
| 03:42.11 | WormFood | I installed pidgin from source code, as a deb, "the debian way(tm)", and now I have updated the same code base. How do I make the revision change from -1 to -2, so it will install all the proper updated packages? |
| 03:42.23 | dmoerner | dch -i |
| 03:42.29 | dmoerner | from devscripts |
| 03:42.30 | mad_muppet | thanks |
| 03:42.54 | karlpinc | enouf : Comparison against what? |
| 03:43.15 | enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/9042/ |
| 03:43.51 | enouf | karlpinc: against each boot - and working vs non-working .. or ...just buy a new system ;-) |
| 03:43.53 | karlpinc | enouf : Thanks for the help. |
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| 03:44.13 | liable | WormFood: the changelog |
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| 03:44.20 | liable | WormFood: man dch |
| 03:44.34 | WormFood | ugh! it uses nano *cringe* |
| 03:44.35 | karlpinc | enouf : It's kind of at that point. But I hate to give up. You know how it is. I'm supposed to be smart enough to fix it. |
| 03:44.58 | WormFood | thanks dmoerner and liable |
| 03:46.01 | enouf | karlpinc: well, i feel the same way, however - experience many times tells you the causes of some issues are a) gremlins, b) ghost in the machine c) the great gig in the sky ;-) |
| 03:46.15 | enouf | karlpinc: consumer hardware (well, even most) sucks ass |
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| 03:47.05 | wopal | Help. Can't start xvidcap. got this err msg. ** (xvidcap:7065): WARNING **: Unable to connect to dbus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
| 03:47.16 | karlpinc | enouf : *sigh* If I wanted mystery I'd use that other OS. ;-) |
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| 03:47.54 | wopal | ** (xvidcap:7065): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_connection_register_g_object: assertion `connection != NULL' failed |
| 03:47.58 | enouf | karlpinc: er.. most hardware is proprietary, using all sorts of tricks with ROMs and firmware |
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| 03:48.23 | wopal | ** (xvidcap:7065): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name: assertion `connection != NULL' failed |
| 03:48.35 | liable | bug |
| 03:48.55 | wopal | ** (xvidcap:7065): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `DBUS_IS_G_PROXY (proxy)' failed |
| 03:48.57 | wopal | Segmentation fault |
| 03:49.38 | enouf | karlpinc: could be a device-mapper bug you've found - you need to be effective in your tshooting / process of elimination procedures |
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| 03:50.09 | karlpinc | enouf : I can't even reliabily reproduce it. It just seems to happen every few days. |
| 03:50.19 | enouf | karlpinc: so far, all i know is you're trying to run badblocks from a LiveCD for only god knows what reason |
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| 03:51.16 | enouf | karlpinc: i told you - save logs, compare error/inode entries .. try fscking :-) |
| 03:51.26 | karlpinc | enouf : 'Cause it's my partitions that are getting remounted ro, and it's the only diagnostic I can think of. ;) |
| 03:51.33 | hunk29 | any ladies in here |
| 03:51.46 | enouf | karlpinc: ok then - well - you need a better plan ;-) |
| 03:51.52 | karlpinc | enouf : fsck fixes the fs, until the next time. I'll work on the logs etc. |
| 03:52.35 | liable | wopal: file a bug |
| 03:52.58 | simonrvn | hunk29: this isn't an a/s/l chan. go elsewhere. |
| 03:52.59 | karlpinc | enouf : I'll reseat things too, and run a newer kernel, and hope it goes away. Otherwise, well, logs I guess. |
| 03:52.59 | wopal | liable: you think its a new bug? |
| 03:53.15 | Kumool | if i were to install something manually does it matter that i already hav it installed? do i need to uninstall via apt or just let it overwrite whats already installed? |
| 03:53.21 | wopal | liable: i am browsing the web for more info. |
| 03:53.32 | enouf | karlpinc: as i also mentioned, go through your BIOS with a fine-toothed comb, ensure things like Auto / LBA is selected for HDDs, and also unde IDE COnfig ensure "Use Both Channels" is set for your IDE BusMaster Controller |
| 03:53.33 | enouf | etc |
| 03:54.11 | karlpinc | enouf : Thanks. (Just knowing somebody cares is enough.... ;) |
| 03:54.15 | enouf | karlpinc: you're likely at most what? UDMA mode4? |
| 03:54.23 | simonrvn | wopal: browse the bts, probably quicker and more relevant. |
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| 03:54.46 | karlpinc | enouf : IIRC dma 5 ?? I'll have to run hdparm? |
| 03:54.47 | enouf | 66MB/sec .. sure karlpinc , no worries - so long as you're using Debian ;-) |
| 03:54.54 | enouf | and not some offshoot :-P |
| 03:55.00 | liable | wopal: no idea if its new, but its certainly a bug |
| 03:55.14 | karlpinc | enouf : Stright etch for me. I like the security support. |
| 03:55.16 | enouf | karlpinc: yep, hdparm -i will tell you - though your Mobo specs will - and BIOS settings |
| 03:55.23 | wopal | simonrvn: right, but how to access bts? what's the url? |
| 03:55.37 | karsten | wopal: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:55.38 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 03:55.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 03:55.50 | wopal | thks |
| 03:55.51 | simonrvn | handy shortcuts too ^^^ |
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| 03:56.03 | simonrvn | karsten: how goes it? |
| 03:56.15 | karsten | simonrvn: It goes. |
| 03:56.43 | liable | does it go vroom? |
| 03:56.44 | enouf | karlpinc: after all is said and done, many changes have been made to device-mapper/LVM2 since etch - yes, newer etchnhalf kernel is worth a try - but also look throught the BTS |
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| 03:57.56 | karlpinc | enouf : Ok. |
| 03:58.01 | enouf | karlpinc: ya remember the gremlins i mentiioned abiove? |
| 03:58.13 | enouf | karlpinc: do you know what a failing or weak PSU can do? |
| 03:58.21 | enouf | drive you mad! ;-) |
| 03:58.36 | karlpinc | enouf : Sure. Reminds me of a 2 inch dust bunny I once knew. |
| 03:58.42 | enouf | haha |
| 03:59.04 | enouf | "with huge teeth! and nasty fangs!" |
| 03:59.08 | simonrvn | 2"? tiny ;p |
| 03:59.13 | enouf | </close monty python> |
| 03:59.34 | liable | thats what she said |
| 03:59.38 | simonrvn | is doing a make buildworld *yikes* |
| 03:59.41 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 04:01.30 | enouf | karlpinc: i must ask though - wtf does this mean? -> " <karlpinc> enouf : I replaced a 3 inch cable with a 2 inch cable. " |
| 04:01.49 | simonrvn | sata cable? |
| 04:02.01 | enouf | nope, using a p3 ;-P |
| 04:02.06 | wopal | See what I get from BTS: No maintainer for xvidcap. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 04:02.58 | simonrvn | so length then. i suppose to cut down on physical interference |
| 04:03.08 | karlpinc | The box had a 3 inch 80 conduuctor ide cable, I had another lying about that was only 2 inches. Figured so long as I was replacing the cable I'd never use the 2 inch one for anything ever again, so may as well use it. |
| 04:03.14 | simonrvn | wopal: ah well, SooL then :/ |
| 04:03.25 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 04:03.36 | enouf | karlpinc: 2" what? long? |
| 04:03.43 | karlpinc | enouf : yes. |
| 04:03.48 | enouf | karlpinc: WTF?! |
| 04:03.56 | wopal | i will have to forget about xvidcap. any other package which can capture screen updates as video? I have tried gtk-RecordMyDesktop. It uses a strange .ogv format. |
| 04:04.24 | enouf | karlpinc: you cannot connect a Mobo to a HDD using a 2" long cable! wtf nonsense are you doing? |
| 04:04.25 | simonrvn | ogv is ogg theora |
| 04:04.33 | simonrvn | ogg video basically |
| 04:04.45 | karlpinc | Wierd box. It's got a "card" on it with the pci slots, and the ide bus connectors. Sorta reminds me of the old backplanes. |
| 04:05.11 | enouf | karlpinc: go buy a standard 80wire, 18" cable and install that - your issues will go away |
| 04:05.33 | enouf | what? |
| 04:05.54 | enouf | is that your Refrigerator? or your Toaster |
| 04:06.12 | karlpinc | enouf : Back when the cpu was mutiple boards and everything plugged into a backplane. (And ram was measured in K.) |
| 04:06.15 | enouf | nothing has a "card on it" |
| 04:06.28 | enouf | what? |
| 04:06.43 | ameyer | I've seen motherboards with at least the PCI slots on a daughterboard... a Dell Optiplex from about 2000 |
| 04:06.45 | enouf | pentium 3 systems were never like that |
| 04:06.56 | karlpinc | enouf : this one is. |
| 04:07.07 | karlpinc | enouf : it's a gateway. |
| 04:07.16 | ameyer | let me rephrase that, a Dell Optiplex with a P3-750 or something along those lines |
| 04:07.31 | enouf | karlpinc: so it's not a tower |
| 04:07.34 | karlpinc | ameyer : That's about the generation we're looking at. |
| 04:07.54 | ameyer | and, for what it's worth, it's a freaking ginormous tower |
| 04:07.54 | karsten | liable: It goes ZoomZoom. |
| 04:07.59 | enouf | karlpinc: you have a 20lb sledgehammer handy? |
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| 04:08.09 | karsten | enouf: You talking to me? |
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| 04:08.17 | karlpinc | enouf : Yeah, it's a tower, but the card slots are "sideways" to what you usually see in a case. |
| 04:08.25 | enouf | karsten: ? |
| 04:08.30 | karsten | decides that no, there is a karlpinc, and it's not a tab-complete spam... |
| 04:08.36 | enouf | right :-P |
| 04:08.48 | nixfreak | trying to figure out correct nvidia graphic drivers can you use lspci for that |
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| 04:09.03 | simonrvn | of course |
| 04:09.04 | nixfreak | I tried the command but didn't see my graphics card |
| 04:09.08 | karsten | wonders where karrotx got to.... |
| 04:09.24 | enouf | karlpinc: there is no sideways |
| 04:09.30 | nixfreak | its a PCI Xpress |
| 04:09.45 | enouf | either you have a PCI Expansion Card installed or not |
| 04:09.47 | enouf | period |
| 04:10.17 | nixfreak | sorry I found it now |
| 04:10.18 | karlpinc | enouf : The pci slots are at a right angle to the board that has the cpu. |
| 04:10.25 | simonrvn | nixfreak: :) |
| 04:10.31 | enouf | karlpinc: there are no right angles |
| 04:10.41 | simonrvn | enouf: only left angles |
| 04:10.44 | karlpinc | enouf ; I could post a picture somewhere for you. ? |
| 04:10.51 | enouf | karlpinc: bingo |
| 04:10.59 | enouf | simonrvn: indeed |
| 04:11.04 | nixfreak | also when I try to install the binary drivers for my card it says it can't find the kernel to compile |
| 04:11.15 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah, it's a total collapse of the Right... |
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| 04:11.23 | nixfreak | is there a tutorial for this using lenny |
| 04:11.31 | simonrvn | nixfreak: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:11.35 | enouf | karlpinc: do you mean your p3 is contained within a slotket adapter? |
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| 04:12.17 | simonrvn | karsten: people *are* tired of it, heh |
| 04:12.23 | karlpinc | enouf : No. The board with the cpu has a "daughter board" attached with the pci slots. You see that stuff in industrial computers too. |
| 04:12.37 | enouf | karlpinc: is that p3 a fcpga? or still slot 1? |
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| 04:13.09 | enouf | karlpinc: the board with the CPU is the motherboard, unless you mean you have that slotket adapter i mentioned |
| 04:13.29 | nixfreak | if I am running 32bit but have a 64 bit AMD should I still use i32 ? |
| 04:13.29 | simonrvn | s/slotket/slotkey/ |
| 04:13.34 | enouf | nope |
| 04:13.42 | simonrvn | no? |
| 04:13.42 | enouf | slotket |
| 04:13.50 | simonrvn | oookaay.. |
| 04:13.54 | enouf | no worries |
| 04:14.00 | karlpinc | enouf : No sloket. You need to see a pic. |
| 04:14.08 | simonrvn | nixfreak: um you're userspace is 32bit, keep using 32bit |
| 04:14.11 | enouf | simonrvn: as in slot + socket |
| 04:14.18 | simonrvn | s/you're/your/ |
| 04:14.23 | simonrvn | ah ok. ty |
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| 04:14.27 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:14.29 | nixfreak | k |
| 04:14.38 | karlpinc | going to get the camera out.... Somewhere.... |
| 04:14.51 | enouf | karlpinc: google - search images |
| 04:15.05 | karlpinc | enouf : Ok. |
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| 04:15.30 | nixfreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.31 | enouf | karlpinc: or - find your specs on gatways site - i can still find my p2 specs/mobo there |
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| 04:16.26 | snowrichard | hi |
| 04:17.11 | karlpinc | enouf : Something like: http://bp2.blogger.com/_pVpFJcj05U8/R49X60yy99I/AAAAAAAAAFI/AdXCfGjxp_M/s400/backplane.jpg |
| 04:17.49 | enouf | karlpinc: er. .you have a gateway like that? |
| 04:18.04 | enouf | karlpinc: can you tell me model number? |
| 04:18.18 | karlpinc | enouf : Yup. Lemmie look. |
| 04:18.32 | eddieBB | anyone know how/where i can get this script? http://linuxreviews.org/man/avisplit/ |
| 04:18.57 | enouf | karlpinc: and it's like that within a tower? that ain't right - also - go find that sledgehammer i mentioned |
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| 04:20.23 | nixfreak | is there a nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 for Lenny yet ? |
| 04:20.39 | enouf | that's showing what amounts to a slotket adapter that also contains the entire DIMM circuitry - there's no reason in the world for those kind of connections, not since VLBus systems :-P |
| 04:21.20 | simonrvn | nixfreak: lenny? no, use a sid backport |
| 04:21.36 | nixfreak | k |
| 04:21.44 | karlpinc | enouf : Says on the front E-3400. Lemmie google gateway. |
| 04:22.29 | karlpinc | enouf : Hey, runs a lot better than the 300MHz amdK6 I'm still using. Once it does the job why mess with it? |
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| 04:24.12 | karlpinc | enouf : Yup: http://support.gateway.com/s/manuals/servers/eseries/8505957.pdf |
| 04:24.25 | enouf | karlpinc: are you an aussie by chance? :-P |
| 04:24.50 | enouf | karlpinc: looking |
| 04:24.55 | karlpinc | enouf : Nope. But I do occasionaly write "no worries". It's a nice thought. ;-) |
| 04:25.13 | User___ | I'm an aussie |
| 04:25.35 | enouf | karlpinc: no, it's just that - the OEMs flooded australia with their weirdo garbage for years :-P |
| 04:25.39 | User___ | Fedora is very popular with Aussies |
| 04:25.58 | liable | huh? |
| 04:26.49 | enouf | yep, FC-PGA as i mentioned |
| 04:27.50 | karlpinc | enouf : Anyhow the "F" main ide connector is a board witdh away from the back end of the IDE drive mounting area. So, it came with a super short cable. |
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| 04:29.16 | karlpinc | enouf : And the thing is, I get errors _only_ from the fs ext subsystem, nothing about lower level errors. |
| 04:29.34 | enouf | karlpinc: aye, i see now - what a mess .. look how the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels are so far from each other :-P |
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| 04:30.18 | karlpinc | enouf : The secondary ide connector has a long cable that runs around a 120mm fan in the front of the case to eventually geto the the cd drive. |
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| 04:30.39 | karlpinc | enouf : (Someone had ideas!) |
| 04:30.43 | enouf | karlpinc: try a new (standard 80 wire) cable, just for the fuck of it .. now - if all we discussed fails - it's Hammer time! ;-) |
| 04:31.27 | karlpinc | enouf : Ok. It'll be days before I find out. Especially as I've other work to get to. We'll see. |
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| 04:38.37 | pgpkeys | if eth0:0 is in fact the first alias on a device and NOT in fact the real actual device (like an array would normally be aka eth[i]:[i] where the subscript starts at 0) why do all linuxes start with eth0:1 as the default first IP alias on a device rather than eth0:0? |
| 04:38.54 | aliases123_ | how does one fix / alter apts factoid ? |
| 04:39.15 | aliases123_ | the factoid for halloween is wrong. the site no longer hold the holloween documents at its factoid given location. |
| 04:39.21 | enouf | you don't .. till you figure it out on your own :-P |
| 04:39.43 | enouf | !halloweenie |
| 04:39.49 | nixfreak | If i can't find the package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-486 for SID but found in Etch can I use this back port with Lenny |
| 04:40.06 | aliases123_ | ~halloween |
| 04:40.06 | apt | aliases123_, the Halloween Papers are available at http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ |
| 04:40.16 | enouf | goes over to the baby grand, and hit's those 2-3 notes we all love |
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| 04:42.29 | simonrvn | nixfreak: no. etch and lenny don't mix |
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| 04:43.15 | nixfreak | damn I can't find a backport from SID for nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 |
| 04:43.28 | JDigital | lenny = white |
| 04:44.20 | simonrvn | it's Sid, not SID, if you're gonna capitalize that... |
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| 04:46.52 | simonrvn | so get the kernel source for the nvidia driver and use m-a (module-assistant) |
| 04:46.53 | nixfreak | deb http://www.backports.org/debian Sid-backports main contrib non-free --- Is this still valid |
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| 04:47.18 | simonrvn | hmmm, those are only for etch AFAIK |
| 04:47.39 | simonrvn | though getting the source package, and rebuilding it for lenny should be fine |
| 04:48.37 | mazzanet | grrr trying to get CHAP to use something other than plaintext passwords in a file |
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| 04:52.15 | enouf | * find.texi, updatedb.sh: added /amd, /net, /alex to list of files to be ignored - Sun Feb 25 13:23:21 1996 Kevin Dalley <kevin@aplysia.iway.aimnet.com (Kevin Dalley)> |
| 04:52.21 | enouf | thanks kev |
| 04:56.11 | eddieBB | does anyone know where/how i can download this script? http://linuxreviews.org/man/avisplit/ |
| 04:56.37 | wols_ | nixfreak: do you really have a 486? |
| 04:56.48 | wols_ | !tell nixfreak about nvidia lenny |
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| 05:01.59 | simonrvn | eddieBB: tried google yet? sf.net? freshmeat? |
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| 05:02.31 | eddieBB | simonrvn: couldn't find it on google. |
| 05:03.39 | enouf | eddieBB: i bet the folks in #mplayer would know, or propose something similar/better (sounds familiar to me) |
| 05:03.42 | enouf | eddieBB: haha |
| 05:03.42 | enouf | ~$ apt-file search avisplit |
| 05:03.43 | enouf | transcode: usr/bin/avisplit |
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| 05:04.08 | enouf | !tell eddieBB -about apt-file |
| 05:04.11 | liable | try avidemux from marrilat |
| 05:04.19 | enouf | eddieBB: do you have dmm repos? |
| 05:04.31 | eddieBB | no |
| 05:04.38 | enouf | !tell eddieBB -about dmm |
| 05:05.27 | enouf | eddieBB: are you using etch? lenny? mix? |
| 05:05.35 | eddieBB | etch |
| 05:05.38 | enouf | it slices and dices |
| 05:05.43 | enouf | !tell eddieBB -about dmme |
| 05:06.00 | enouf | i don;t know if it's in etch - i |
| 05:06.14 | enouf | i'm using lenny/sid |
| 05:07.18 | eddieBB | "apt-file search avisplit"? |
| 05:08.05 | eddieBB | nvm |
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| 05:14.49 | aliases123_ | eddieBB: are you using media multimedia repos ? |
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| 05:17.24 | enouf | Results 1 - 10 of about 85,800 for avisplit. (0.15 seconds) ... you're welcome :-P |
| 05:17.56 | nixfreak | alright I'm sorry guys what is the back ports address for nvidia-kernel-source for sid |
| 05:18.19 | wols_ | nixfreak: first. what cpu do you have? |
| 05:18.24 | wols_ | nixfreak: and how much ram? |
| 05:18.35 | stew | backports for sid? |
| 05:18.46 | wols_ | stew: he runs lenny and wants to use nvidia drivers |
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| 05:19.16 | nixfreak | amd64 3500+ 1 gig of ram 6600GT nvidia card |
| 05:19.25 | wols_ | nixfreak: get a -686 kernel |
| 05:19.42 | simonrvn | i told him to fetch sid's stuff to backport to lenny. however i think s/he's a bit confused. |
| 05:19.47 | wols_ | and there is a nvidia-graphics-drivers as a debian source (deb-src) in non-free I think |
| 05:19.52 | simonrvn | indeed, dunno why he's using -486 |
| 05:20.06 | wols_ | simonrvn: cause the installer gave it to him |
| 05:20.24 | nixfreak | thats what uname-r says |
| 05:20.26 | wols_ | nixfreak: dpkg messaged you a factoid. read it |
| 05:20.44 | wols_ | nixfreak: we know, but you should get a kernel compiled for your cpu, not for a 485 |
| 05:20.48 | wols_ | *486 |
| 05:20.54 | DanDare | im using etch and installer installed 686 :) |
| 05:21.14 | wols_ | DanDare: depending what the user does, it doesn't and keeps 486 |
| 05:21.17 | nixfreak | shit so I need to recompile the linux kernel now |
| 05:21.24 | wols_ | nixfreak: no you don't |
| 05:21.39 | DanDare | ok i did the default install it just recognized 686 and installed 686 |
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| 05:21.51 | enouf | nixfreak: upgrading a kernel in debian, the debian way is the simplest you will ever find |
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| 05:22.01 | wols_ | nixfreak: apt-get the new kernel |
| 05:22.39 | pettals | hi, i have installed debian using the lenny net-dist , but want to install the rest of the things from etch. i have all the cd's for etch. how do i do that ? |
| 05:23.37 | asho79 | I am only familiar with ubuntu but have a lenny 5.0 disk; would anyone suggest 5.0 as my first taste of Debian? |
| 05:23.37 | enouf | ruh roh ... it's sunday :-P |
| 05:23.37 | craigevil | !sunday |
| 05:23.37 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:23.38 | wols_ | asho79: lenny still has bugs, it's not released yet. as a desktop it can work |
| 05:23.48 | valdyn | pettals: you dont, you cant install everything, and you dont need everything |
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| 05:24.17 | wols_ | valdyn: he doesn't want to. not that what he wants to do isn't... stupid |
| 05:24.42 | pettals | i mean, i would like to install the next minimum stuff from these etch cd's . i have done apt-add cdrom to add the cd's to the apt mirror list |
| 05:24.42 | wols_ | pettals: try to add the cdroms with apt-cdrom |
| 05:24.48 | pettals | i did that |
| 05:25.01 | wols_ | so what is the problem? |
| 05:25.12 | asho79 | wols_: I thought it might have bugs, I might go with 4, thanks |
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| 05:25.14 | nixfreak | E: Couldn't find package 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 05:25.14 | nixfreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.24 | enouf | what does "next minimum stuff" mean? |
| 05:25.25 | pettals | when i do say "apt-get install gnome", there are lot of unmet dependencies |
| 05:25.37 | pettals | i mean the bare system with gnome |
| 05:25.46 | valdyn | pettals: you are trying to mix etch with lenny? |
| 05:25.48 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I configure Etch to use my full, native resolution rather than just 1024x768, which is blurry. |
| 05:25.49 | craigevil | asho79: for desktop use lenny is more "stable" than ubuntu or pretty much any other distro |
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| 05:25.54 | wols_ | pettals: what you want to do is not really supported at all |
| 05:26.01 | pettals | valdyn: yes |
| 05:26.03 | stew | Arafangion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:26.07 | wols_ | Arafangion: what videocard? |
| 05:26.10 | valdyn | pettals: just don't |
| 05:26.11 | DanDare | asho79, when you are first time trying something i would prefer the stable distro imo |
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| 05:26.24 | Arafangion | wols_: I believe it's an Intel x700 or x900, I'm in the process of checking. |
| 05:26.26 | wols_ | asho79: what mainbaord do you have? |
| 05:26.39 | wols_ | Arafangion: does not exist |
| 05:26.39 | pettals | the problem arose because the etch kernel didn't recongnize the network card and the cddrive... so abrotman suggested to try for lenny |
| 05:26.59 | valdyn | pettals: thats ok, but you cant use etch packages now. |
| 05:27.06 | asho79 | wols_:32bit; is that what you mean? |
| 05:27.07 | wols_ | pettals: what network card do you have? and abrotman told your crap. if anything you should have used a backport kernel |
| 05:27.10 | Arafangion | wols_: I must have the numbers confused with another ATI card, just a moment. |
| 05:27.12 | pettals | actually, to be more soecific i need gnome 2.18, i think the lenny has 2.24 |
| 05:27.24 | wols_ | asho79: no. I mean what chipset your mainboad has |
| 05:27.32 | wols_ | pettals: and you need it why? |
| 05:27.56 | pettals | we are doing some translation related work and we need to test it. the translation work is based on 2.18\ |
| 05:28.04 | Arafangion | wols_: Ok, Vista reports it as a 1280x800 screen on "Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family" |
| 05:28.12 | stew | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 05:28.14 | enouf | hurls all the side-cases of the week into the channel, all at once :-P |
| 05:28.15 | judd | stew: gnome-session: 2.14.3-5 (etch) 2.22.3-1 (lenny) 2.22.3-1 (sid) |
| 05:28.25 | wols_ | pettals: use etch with a recent kernel. 2.6.24 or even a 2.6.26 from backports |
| 05:28.29 | asho79 | celeron M, 1 gig ram, 1.8 MHz. Sorry, I'm not in the know much |
| 05:28.30 | stew | pettals: debian offers neither 2.18 nor 1.24 ^^^ |
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| 05:28.55 | wols_ | asho79: none of them is a chipset. |
| 05:28.58 | pettals | wols_: how do i do that with the etch then ? |
| 05:28.59 | wols_ | !tell asho79 about etchnhalf |
| 05:29.04 | Relentless | This as prolly been asked atleast 4000 times, I need glibc2.4 on etch anyway to do it? |
| 05:29.13 | wols_ | pettals: answer my question about your hardware |
| 05:29.19 | wols_ | Relentless: no |
| 05:29.48 | pettals | nvidia ethernet card |
| 05:29.52 | Relentless | I mean I cant force my hosting company to change there debian version |
| 05:30.18 | wols_ | Relentless: then you sure as heck can't change the libc6 version used |
| 05:30.20 | Arafangion | Relentless: The system libc is a seriously fundamental part of the OS, arguably it's even more important than the version of the kernel you have. |
| 05:30.20 | simonrvn | Relentless: "their"; no, there's no way. |
| 05:30.38 | stew | Relentless: debian doesn't offer glibc 2.4. etch has 2.3, lenny has 2.7. there is no sane way to upgrade etch's |
| 05:31.07 | wols_ | pettals: doesn't answer it. there are many |
| 05:31.17 | wols_ | !tell pettals about etchnhalf |
| 05:31.22 | Relentless | Ok, what is the insane way for updating it |
| 05:31.35 | wols_ | Relentless: unless you have root access you can't |
| 05:31.40 | Relentless | I do? |
| 05:31.46 | Arafangion | Relentless: you could go to www.linuxfromscratch, and compile a new system yourself, which is effectively what you'd be doing. |
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| 05:32.07 | Relentless | I cant install a new system on a VPS |
| 05:32.17 | Arafangion | Relentless: What do you think you're ASKING? |
| 05:32.34 | Relentless | I do I FORCE glibc to 2.4 |
| 05:32.37 | stew | Relentless: there are many ways of insanely updating it. how much destruction do you want to do? |
| 05:32.39 | wols_ | Relentless: which is why you cannot do what you want. we told you now a dozen times. it won't change even if you continue to ask |
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| 05:32.48 | Relentless | lol |
| 05:32.52 | Arafangion | Relentless: If you chagne your libc, then congrats, you've changed your fundamental system. |
| 05:33.22 | Relentless | stew, lots |
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| 05:33.30 | enouf | ... |
| 05:33.54 | simonrvn | apparently. do wtf you want - don't come crying here to help you fix it. |
| 05:34.04 | Relentless | lol |
| 05:34.13 | Relentless | I would cry to my hoster tofix it |
| 05:34.32 | stew | Relentless: why do you need glibc 2.4 at all? |
| 05:34.37 | Relentless | anope |
| 05:34.40 | Arafangion | Relentless: And they'd simply agree amongst themselves that their customer is crazy. |
| 05:34.57 | stew | Relentless: and anope doesn't come with source? |
| 05:35.01 | nixfreak | ok so I have 686 installed now where can i find that backport for nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 05:35.12 | Relentless | It does just it was compiled against 2.4 |
| 05:35.18 | wols_ | nixfreak: read the factoid dpkg messaged you long ago |
| 05:35.21 | stew | Relentless: so why not recompile it against 2.3? |
| 05:35.31 | Relentless | It wont |
| 05:35.34 | Arafangion | Relentless: The sensible solution is to install anope on a system that it works with - and then copy it and anything it needs to a chroot on the server. |
| 05:35.38 | stew | Relentless: why wont it? |
| 05:35.41 | simonrvn | it should still be in a separate window in your client |
| 05:35.42 | Arafangion | Relentless: And that's only if you absolutely can't compile it. |
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| 05:36.09 | Relentless | WE I compiled it to the current 2.0 version I have |
| 05:36.13 | Relentless | *well |
| 05:36.18 | Relentless | but it wont start |
| 05:36.26 | Relentless | and I just argued with #anope about it |
| 05:36.31 | stew | Relentless: why won't it start? |
| 05:36.33 | Relentless | they said its a debian issue |
| 05:36.51 | pettals | anyways, i will try and get back |
| 05:36.59 | Relentless | It wont load the unreal32 modules without GLIBC_2.4 |
| 05:37.21 | asho79 | wols_: I'm still not sure about what chipset I have- (Intel?). The installer CD is from the Linux Magazine and it is kernel 2.6.24, at the moment I'm running 2.6.24-19-generic |
| 05:37.23 | stew | Relentless: recompile the unreal32 modules against glibc 2.3 |
| 05:37.24 | Arafangion | Relentless: Find a system with glibc 2.4, and compile it statically. |
| 05:37.39 | wols_ | asho79: #ubuntu. we don't support ubuntu here, only debian |
| 05:38.02 | simonrvn | lspci | grep VGA will tell you. then you can tell the folks in #ubuntu that |
| 05:38.26 | enouf | asho79: pastebin output of lspci to see/show chipset you have - if you use debian, then we can try to help, if another distro, we won't |
| 05:38.36 | wols_ | enouf: he runs ubuntu |
| 05:38.47 | enouf | righto |
| 05:39.03 | pettals | for an AMD dual core machine, which one should i consider amd64 or 386 |
| 05:39.06 | enouf | but i thouht he wanted to try debian |
| 05:39.13 | wols_ | pettals: how much RAM? |
| 05:39.15 | asho79 | wols: yep, I have Ubuntu but was thinking of trying out Lenny 5.0 but wasn't sure if it was stable |
| 05:39.29 | simonrvn | pettals: also, desktop, or server? |
| 05:39.46 | enouf | asho79: for a Desktop it's fine |
| 05:39.47 | simonrvn | asho79: it's testing, not stable ;p |
| 05:39.52 | pettals | 1 GB |
| 05:39.59 | pettals | desktop |
| 05:40.07 | wols_ | pettals: use 386 |
| 05:40.09 | enouf | asho79: it can break though - so read read read is my suggestion ;-) |
| 05:40.34 | asho79 | cool, thanks people |
| 05:40.37 | simonrvn | if you like flash and java, stick with i386, otherwise go for amd64 (that's what i'd do) |
| 05:40.55 | enouf | !tell asho79 -about di |
| 05:42.03 | craigevil | enouf: break? wtf? not even sid has broke, at least not much since sarge |
| 05:42.40 | enouf | craigevil: well newbies have a different concept of "break" :-P |
| 05:42.55 | enouf | craigevil: "My gnome won't click correctly" O_o |
| 05:43.48 | craigevil | not much really breaks unless you use ATI video cards, even kde4 isnt too bad |
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| 05:44.12 | jelly-home | craigevil: now that's just giving false hope! |
| 05:44.41 | craigevil | hehe its no where close to being ready for daily use, but it is pretty |
| 05:44.42 | Arafangion | ATI's just barely begun to become stable on 32-bit, if you don't use the very latest kernels. |
| 05:46.09 | simonrvn | my ati w3rkz |
| 05:46.26 | simonrvn | not as well as i'd like... but it works. |
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| 05:46.59 | simonrvn | i haven't seen a good break in sid in years. |
| 05:47.29 | Arafangion | I stopped using Sid when they did the gcc 3 switch. ;) |
| 05:47.45 | simonrvn | like pam going poof, or glibc not installing correctly, and leaving itself in a fucked state.. nothing like that. |
| 05:47.59 | Arafangion | Bah, those were just the easy issues. |
| 05:48.12 | simonrvn | they are easy ;) |
| 05:48.27 | simonrvn | (just a pita) |
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| 05:49.09 | Arafangion | Indeed, and for me I can't be bothered fixing things anymore, so Just Want Thigns To Work - hence my using Debian Stable (Though, for this intel card thing, I am cnosidering upgrading to Lenny) |
| 05:50.27 | Arafangion | Just bought a new laptop, actually, hence the intel graphics thing - crap, but cheap. |
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| 05:52.16 | jelly-home | Arafangion: the updated xserver-xorg-video-intel from etchnhalf might or might not work well enough with your unspecified intel graphics |
| 05:53.02 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Thanks. |
| 05:53.06 | simonrvn | s/laptop/craptop/ ;p |
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| 05:53.36 | Arafangion | simonrvn: The graphics is the _only_ part that's crap, it's basically a stripped down Lenovo. (Actually it is a lenovo, but a budget one) |
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| 05:54.11 | Arafangion | simonrvn: So it might be sub-standard, but at least it sure as heck isn't glossy! |
| 05:54.27 | MariachiAC1 | hello, can someone please tell me hwo to isntall a module? |
| 05:54.27 | MariachiAC1 | I have the module for the kernel from git, but I'm not sure hwo to compile it. |
| 05:54.27 | MariachiAC1 | I thought it was make then make install_modules |
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| 05:54.41 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: You want module-assistant. |
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| 05:55.22 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: Depends on the type of module you're talking about, and I suggest you use make menuconfig && make_kpkg rather than using make modules_install |
| 05:56.19 | Relentless | guise nvm |
| 05:56.23 | Relentless | It was an anope issues |
| 05:56.29 | Relentless | the guy I talked to was an idiot |
| 05:57.08 | Arafangion | Relentless: Everybody is an idiot, therefore, it draws attention to yourself if you call someone an idiot. |
| 05:57.18 | Relentless | lolk |
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| 05:58.48 | MariachiAC1 | arafangion: ok. I'm just trying to install something to run for speech using speakup. I remmeber typing make, then make modules_install ,but it does not work. So I can try the way your speaking of. |
| 05:59.26 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: In general, your way should've worked fine, unless it had third-party dependencies or required firmware. |
| 05:59.44 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: module-assistant is good for those modules that are not part of hte kernel proper. |
| 06:00.10 | simonrvn | Arafangion: heh, that's cool. only thing about lappies i don't like is that you can interchange parts (easily) |
| 06:00.13 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: Also, your way is not the 'proper' debian way - my way is _closer_ (but arguably,t eh proper debian way is to just use the binaries in the official repo) |
| 06:01.00 | MariachiAC1 | Arafangion: I have the filder downloaded of hte source. I'm just not sure what to do with it. I was not aware that there was a debian way. |
| 06:01.06 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I disagree. :) Curiously, I find that Linux is a heck alot better at that than windows is, too, though not quite as good as Mac OS X. |
| 06:01.59 | Arafangion | MariachiAC1: In general, the debian way exploits the package manager whenever possible. |
| 06:02.38 | simonrvn | Arafangion: i meant h/w wise |
| 06:02.48 | simonrvn | can't* |
| 06:03.01 | simonrvn | meant can't there. |
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| 06:03.41 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Ahh, well that does depend on the laptop in question. My old laptop (which I still use) you can change any part you like, except for the M/B. |
| 06:03.49 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Theoretically, though. :( |
| 06:04.03 | MariachiAC1 | rafangion: ok |
| 06:04.12 | MariachiAC1 | arafangion: thank you |
| 06:04.18 | Arafangion | simonrvn: However, laptops are increasonly becomming really cheap compared to other upgradable systems. |
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| 06:04.43 | simonrvn | hm, some opensolaris stuff on this fbsd... |
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| 06:05.35 | simonrvn | Arafangion: they've increased in popularity, and so making components has also become more viable. |
| 06:06.25 | Arafangion | simonrvn: This laptop I've got seems to be Lenovo's response to the new netbook market. (This one is anything but a netbook, but it's in the same price range) |
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| 06:10.54 | simonrvn | netbook? |
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| 06:11.13 | Arafangion | It's the name given to the ultra-crap, ultra-portable laptops. |
| 06:11.19 | simonrvn | o |
| 06:11.21 | simonrvn | k |
| 06:11.46 | Arafangion | This one is a standard Lenovo, but with parts removed, ie, no sd card reader, integrated graphics, etc. |
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| 06:12.09 | simonrvn | hm |
| 06:12.31 | Arafangion | Battery lasts for almost 2 hours on Vista while watching a DVD, which is pretty good, knowing how crap Vista is. |
| 06:12.48 | Arafangion | Oh, and the reason I got this laptop is that I don't have a touchpad, just hte nipple. :) |
| 06:12.56 | simonrvn | with all the stupid eye candy i hear it has, that's rather good. |
| 06:13.03 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:13.19 | liable | i wish more manufacturers made the nipple |
| 06:13.38 | Arafangion | Indeed, though I wouldn't mind having a built-in webcam... I use sign language, and it could've come in handy, but an external will be fine when I do actually need it. |
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| 06:14.02 | simonrvn | how many usb ports? do you have f/w on it? |
| 06:14.07 | Arafangion | liable: What I dislike is that too many manufactures put both the nipple, _and_ the touchpad in, which is a pain when your hand lightly brushes the mouse while typing. |
| 06:14.18 | Arafangion | I don't think I've got fw, but I've got three usb ports. |
| 06:14.22 | liable | Arafangion: aye, i disable the touchpad in bios |
| 06:14.37 | mimcpher | You can generally disable the touchpad in software too. |
| 06:14.38 | Arafangion | Hmm, four usb ports, not bad. Got a pc card slot, too. |
| 06:14.47 | mimcpher | The synaptic driver in linux allows you to disable the touchpad while typing |
| 06:14.56 | simonrvn | i still have my eye on a pismo, but at this point i'd upgrade the cpu to a g4 |
| 06:15.16 | Arafangion | simonrvn: The amount of IO bandwidth in those G4/G5 systems is insane. |
| 06:15.16 | simonrvn | and max out the ram of course |
| 06:15.36 | simonrvn | pismo is pre-ibook stuff |
| 06:15.51 | Arafangion | I bought this laptop on a budget, so didn't max the ram, stopped at 3GB. |
| 06:15.57 | simonrvn | some of the last semi-modern ppc lappies, of that gen. |
| 06:16.18 | simonrvn | built like a tank |
| 06:16.31 | Arafangion | I had one of the early while iBooks, also a G4. Great machine, but then I got <censored>'ed by Apple. Still haven't forgiven them. |
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| 06:16.37 | borco | hi |
| 06:17.08 | borco | what software can i use to voice control my pc? |
| 06:17.12 | simonrvn | that sucks. usually they've been ok |
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| 06:17.42 | simonrvn | !+info festival |
| 06:17.42 | Arafangion | simonrvn: They charged $1300 for a repair, and stuck an NDA to the insult. A new, better laptop in the store (in stock) was $1600. |
| 06:17.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:17.57 | simonrvn | Arafangion: whoah. that's crap. |
| 06:18.03 | dpkg | festival: (General multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.96~beta-7 (sid), Packaged size: 898 kB, Installed size: 2628 kB |
| 06:18.21 | borco | simonrvn: i need something that recognizes voice, not tts. |
| 06:18.45 | borco | simonrvn: so that i can say "close window" and the window is closed |
| 06:18.51 | simonrvn | hm, i think there's voice rec. stuff, but i dunno the name. |
| 06:19.06 | simonrvn | orca's for visual impairment... |
| 06:19.09 | simonrvn | ponders |
| 06:19.22 | borco | simonrvn: i've seen sphinx, but i haven't used it yet... |
| 06:19.31 | simonrvn | eh, apt-cache search for it, be better off |
| 06:19.34 | Arafangion | simonrvn: The issue was that the VGA component was broken, naturally, since _everything_ was integrated, the whole M/B had to be replaced, but heck, I'd have been prepared to pay an expensive repair, what I wasn't prepared to do was to pay the full cost of a new laptop with full markup. |
| 06:20.07 | borco | simonrvn: orca is also a reader. i need a listener :) |
| 06:20.15 | simonrvn | no kidding, i'd say fu to apple and get another one |
| 06:20.22 | simonrvn | borco: yeh, i figured |
| 06:20.34 | borco | any good on-screen keyboards? |
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| 06:20.44 | simonrvn | gnome's is ok |
| 06:20.47 | Arafangion | simonrvn: That's what I did, me being a unix guy meant that it wasn't that big a deal to switch. |
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| 06:20.53 | Arafangion | Unix/Linux, whatever. |
| 06:21.02 | borco | simonrvn: can i use it with kde? |
| 06:21.13 | simonrvn | of course |
| 06:21.13 | borco | simonrvn: any idea how to launch it by hand? |
| 06:21.48 | simonrvn | from term would be easiest, or kde's launcher thingy (alt-f2) |
| 06:22.05 | simonrvn | dpkg -L thatpackage | grep bin |
| 06:22.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching thatpackage | grep bin |
| 06:22.11 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 06:22.11 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 06:22.40 | simonrvn | dpkg: no shaddup is <reply>No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 06:22.40 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 06:22.51 | nixfreak | how can I switch to a kernel i just installed |
| 06:22.55 | nixfreak | say 686 |
| 06:23.04 | borco | simonrvn: hehe, i was asking the name of the on screen kbd |
| 06:23.06 | Arafangion | nixfreak: Reboot. |
| 06:23.21 | simonrvn | did you install it? if you did, then reboot to it. |
| 06:23.33 | simonrvn | borco: apt-cache search |
| 06:23.33 | nixfreak | damn |
| 06:23.41 | simonrvn | afk |
| 06:23.46 | simonrvn | nixfreak: what? |
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| 06:24.09 | borco | simonrvn: i don't think there's a package for it. i think it's part of gnome accesibility or something :( |
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| 06:25.42 | simonrvn | i'm in a non-debian bsd right now, not debian, so i can't check it easily right now. |
| 06:25.57 | simonrvn | moment please |
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| 06:26.43 | simonrvn | gok is the name |
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| 06:27.26 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/gok ;) |
| 06:27.34 | simonrvn | wow, so hard |
| 06:27.37 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 06:27.37 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:27.54 | streuner | !comfort simonrvn |
| 06:27.55 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:28.22 | simonrvn | yw ;) |
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| 06:33.12 | borco | simonrvn: hmmm, that's strange. gok in debian is 1.3.7. on gnome site, a 2.24 version is present... this is why i avoided it until now :) i've thought that the individual gok is some old version and different from that from gnome |
| 06:34.29 | simonrvn | borco: gnome probably adopted it for 2.24 hence the version change |
| 06:34.48 | borco | simonrvn: yep, my thought too :) |
| 06:35.46 | simonrvn | judd: versions gok --arch i386 |
| 06:35.47 | judd | simonrvn: gok: 1.2.0-1 (etch) 1.3.7-1 (lenny) 1.3.7-1 (sid) |
| 06:36.02 | stew | simonrvn: i386 is the default, btw |
| 06:36.10 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:36.24 | stew | i have all commands defaulting to i386 and etch currently |
| 06:37.37 | simonrvn | ok. thanks |
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| 06:37.59 | simonrvn | is there source for this supy mod? =) |
| 06:38.01 | stew | well all commands where it makes sense to have a default release. so not 'versions' but 'info' would default to etch |
| 06:38.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:38.17 | stew | i should make it public |
| 06:38.46 | stew | though the barrier to entry is high, becuase it requires setting up udd |
| 06:39.53 | simonrvn | oh, just wanting to see source code, nothing more :). |
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| 06:42.32 | stew | simonrvn: |
| 06:42.38 | stew | err |
| 06:42.52 | stew | simonrvn: http://vireo.org/tmp/plugin.py |
| 06:43.15 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 06:44.01 | moodog | Morning all. |
| 06:44.15 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:45.31 | simonrvn | ooh neat |
| 06:48.19 | simonrvn | this is real nice |
| 06:48.20 | koolhead17 | e2lable command throws notthin for me |
| 06:48.22 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 06:48.52 | simonrvn | because it's spelled e2label ;) |
| 06:49.09 | koolhead17 | checks again |
| 06:49.30 | simonrvn | i imagine you just made the typo here |
| 06:50.24 | stew | simonrvn: you can see how easy stuff is to add to this, so if you think of more stuff i can add, please let me know |
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| 06:51.09 | simonrvn | stew: sure, i'll send patches, and/or ideas |
| 06:51.20 | koolhead17 | simonrvn: nopes.i tried correct command e2label /dev/hdc1 |
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| 06:51.28 | koolhead17 | got no output |
| 06:51.30 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 06:51.50 | borco | simonrvn: thanx for the input. |
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| 06:51.52 | borco | byt |
| 06:51.56 | borco | bye :) |
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| 06:52.55 | freelan | hi all I need help, pkg smbfs not mount XP share, PC look but not accept login and pass |
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| 06:53.47 | koolhead17 | freelan: i hope you created samba user |
| 06:54.28 | koolhead17 | and inside conf file the options needed plus who all users can access samba |
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| 06:57.23 | freelan | koolhead17: XP comp not accept login/pass, create on XP samba user? 0_o |
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| 06:58.02 | koolhead17 | freelan: i mean.did u vreated a samba user? |
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| 07:01.21 | roxy_ | I have to redo plumbing and electricity in my new home. What soft can I use to help with the plan ? |
| 07:01.52 | roxy_ | like sweet home 3d but more small stuff oriented |
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| 07:03.07 | maha | i need to install without acpi |
| 07:03.14 | maha | what was that boot command, again? |
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| 07:03.49 | bolt | freelan: what is the command you are using to try and mount the share? |
| 07:05.34 | koolhead17 | freelan: http://www.debianadmin.com/file-server-configuration-in-debian-using-samba.html |
| 07:05.40 | koolhead17 | check if it helps |
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| 07:06.05 | maha | god damn |
| 07:07.08 | koolhead17 | maha: |
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| 07:08.14 | maha | its somethin like no="Acpi" |
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| 07:08.31 | maha | i need to try this command in order to even boot successfully |
| 07:08.40 | maha | ucuntu wont even run as a live cd without it |
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| 07:09.43 | stew | noacpi or acpi=off both work |
| 07:10.52 | maha | thanks! |
| 07:10.56 | maha | writes it down |
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| 07:13.26 | roxy_ | is there anything newer than xfig |
| 07:13.38 | roxy_ | but with same kind of functionnality ? |
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| 07:26.32 | nixfreak | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free |
| 07:26.32 | nixfreak | deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free |
| 07:26.59 | nixfreak | I take it thats not a valid deb |
| 07:27.06 | nixfreak | for back ports |
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| 07:28.36 | simonrvn | um, if it doesn't exist, it won't work. |
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| 07:37.47 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I use the debian-unofficial repository and have tried to import the key many times, which goes fine, but everytime I run apt-get update, it says signature couldn't be verified because public key is not available. What can I do to resolve this issue? I have followed the instructions on www.debian-unofficial.org and am using the 2008 key. |
| 07:38.10 | JDigital | how do I edit init.d |
| 07:38.17 | JDigital | It's all gobbeldygook to me |
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| 07:45.33 | wols_ | JDigital: why do you want to edit it? |
| 07:46.14 | wols_ | nixfreak: there is no sid at backports.org. you need to get it from the normal sid repository |
| 07:46.15 | JDigital | I want to run a second apache2 instance on startup |
| 07:46.37 | wols_ | JDigital: and you wanted to do this how? edit what and how? |
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| 07:47.22 | wols_ | nixfreak: did you read the debian wiki about what you need to do? |
| 07:47.54 | JDigital | apache2ctl can be passed an alternate config file, but this would not make the second apache instance load at startup. |
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| 07:48.25 | Pavlz | hi |
| 07:48.32 | JDigital | My thinking is that I should create a second copy of /etc/init.d/apache2, but I have no idea how to edit it. |
| 07:48.59 | wols_ | yes, that's a way |
| 07:49.12 | wols_ | you change the document root, logs and the like. that's all |
| 07:49.25 | Pavlz | i got a directory and i would to move with ftp of debian in my own http |
| 07:49.45 | Pavlz | 4 years ago i used ftp |
| 07:50.17 | wols_ | Pavlz: do you use debian now or still edubuntu? |
| 07:50.19 | JDigital | wols_: But how do I cause it to init at startup? |
| 07:50.21 | Pavlz | now i can use only native shell |
| 07:50.33 | Pavlz | debian |
| 07:50.39 | wols_ | Pavlz: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 07:50.51 | wols_ | Pavlz: what does this return? |
| 07:50.58 | wols_ | Pavlz: and also the output of uname -a |
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| 07:51.27 | wols_ | JDigital: you a symlink to /etc/rc2.d/ like it is now. look it up for ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*apache2 |
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| 07:52.02 | wols_ | !tell JDigital about sysvinit |
| 07:52.53 | JDigital | Aha, I see |
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| 07:52.58 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 07:53.08 | wols_ | Pavlz: well, can you answer? |
| 07:53.23 | nootoyahora | does anybody knows of a channel dedicated to realtime linux? |
| 07:53.35 | wols_ | nootoyahora: ask in ##linux I guess |
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| 07:53.53 | nootoyahora | wols_, good point, I do right now |
| 07:54.12 | nootoyahora | wols_, do you know why some channel have a double ##? |
| 07:54.25 | Arafangion | nootoyahora: When you start getting very specialised, you really get better responses on mailing lists rather than irc. |
| 07:54.27 | wols_ | nootoyahora: yes. read the freenode faq on freenode.net |
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| 07:54.51 | nootoyahora | Arafangion, I know, |
| 07:54.56 | JDigital | To start a second apache instance, which I'd do lets say with apache2ctl -f /path/to/file.conf -k start, how would I make that occur at startup |
| 07:55.01 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.18 | wols_ | nootoyahora: but this is OT here |
| 07:55.37 | wols_ | JDigital: you said you wanted to copy the apache2 init script. why don't you? |
| 07:55.39 | JDigital | or, assuming I need to create a second copy of /etc/init.d/apache2 and symlink it to an entry in /etc/rc2.d/, how must I modify it |
| 07:55.40 | Arafangion | nootoyahora: Your first step would be determining _what_ kind of "realtime" response you need. |
| 07:55.52 | JDigital | wols_: I don't know precisely how to modify the second copy |
| 07:55.57 | Arafangion | nootoyahora: And if Linux is even a good choice. |
| 07:55.59 | wols_ | Arafangion: your first step would be to see it's not debian related |
| 07:56.00 | Pavlz | dpkg -l libc6 |tail -l |
| 07:56.00 | dpkg | ii libc6 |tail -l 1.5-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:56.00 | Pavlz | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 07:56.05 | Pavlz | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 07:56.05 | JDigital | it's 172 lines and I'm uncertain which lines are which |
| 07:56.07 | nootoyahora | wols_, thanks for the pointer about freenode faq... what's off topic? |
| 07:56.09 | Arafangion | wols_: Oh, good point. :) |
| 07:56.29 | nootoyahora | Arafangion, I'm with walls, if yo want to talk me about realtime.. maybe another place ould be better than this |
| 07:56.30 | wols_ | Pavlz: tail -1 one, the number 1 (one). nOt a lowercase L |
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| 07:56.47 | Arafangion | I'm heading out, anyway. |
| 07:56.48 | wols_ | !offtopic |
| 07:56.49 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 07:57.03 | Arafangion | The channel is busy. |
| 07:57.06 | wols_ | nootoyahora: the topic in here is debian support. anything else is not on topic in this channel |
| 07:57.18 | nootoyahora | wols_, I know what an offtopic is, I was only wondering if asking for some |
| 07:57.34 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.36 | wols_ | nootoyahora: do you have a debian related question? |
| 07:57.41 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.39 | Pavlz | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 07:59.04 | nootoyahora | wols_, it was only a question, you asnwered me, I gave you thanks, some user made a point about it, and to be polite with that guy I answered him/her, the oinly one who is offtopic (as always that I enter) is *you* |
| 07:59.07 | wols_ | Pavlz: that is wrong and you know it |
| 07:59.14 | wols_ | nootoyahora: do you have a debian related question? |
| 07:59.33 | Pavlz | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 07:59.36 | nootoyahora | wols_, it was only a question, you asnwered me, I gave you thanks, some user made a point about it, and to be polite with that guy I answered him/her, the oinly one who is offtopic (as always that I enter) is *you* - you can read it, I'm answer |
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| 07:59.41 | nootoyahora | wols_, it was only a question, you asnwered me, I gave you thanks, some user made a point about it, and to be polite with that guy I answered him/her, the oinly one who is offtopic (as always that I enter) is *you* - you can read it, I'm answering you |
| 07:59.47 | wols_ | !ops nootoyahora is spamming |
| 07:59.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: nootoyahora is spamming |
| 08:00.42 | nootoyahora | wols_, I'm not spaming, my keyboard is broken and the sentece got cut in the middle, so I repost it complete |
| 08:00.53 | Pavlz | iU libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: shared libraries |
| 08:00.57 | wols_ | nootoyahora: can you FINALLY stop? |
| 08:01.20 | wols_ | Pavlz: your debian is severely broken |
| 08:01.29 | nootoyahora | wols_, no, until you shut up, for every silly sentence you write, I will write a response man |
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| 08:01.54 | JDigital | now you're talking about talking |
| 08:02.52 | wols_ | JDigital: don't feed him please |
| 08:02.58 | Pavlz | Linux iderfix-laptop 2.6.15-26-386 #1 Prempt Fri Sep 8 19:55:17 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:03.09 | wols_ | Pavlz: you are not running debian. this is not a debian kernel |
| 08:03.14 | nootoyahora | JDigital, I'm wirting |
| 08:03.16 | nootoyahora | about wr |
| 08:03.17 | wols_ | Pavlz: and never was |
| 08:03.20 | nootoyahora | itin |
| 08:03.20 | nootoyahora | g |
| 08:04.28 | wols_ | Pavlz: you run a ubuntu variant, possibly have debian packages installed (which severely broke it). ask #ubuntu. best, reinstall |
| 08:04.41 | wols_ | Pavlz: since you run ubuntu, we can't help you |
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| 08:06.43 | Pavlz | i am asking how to move a directory that is in /home/iderfix to my own website with ftp |
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| 08:07.00 | Pavlz | which command line ? |
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| 08:07.27 | wols_ | Pavlz: you do not run debian, so you're in the wrong channel. we don't and can't support ubuntu variants |
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| 08:07.36 | wols_ | Pavlz: ask in ##linux or #ubuntu |
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| 08:13.46 | liable | Pavlz: gftp is probably the easiest |
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| 08:15.49 | Pavlz | i have not gftp |
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| 08:16.12 | wols_ | liable: best help him in #ubuntu where he belongs |
| 08:16.52 | liable | no thanks. |
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| 08:29.46 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:29.46 | dpkg | <jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary. |
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| 08:35.31 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 08:35.47 | HardDisk_WP | i have a bunch of .jpg's with same size (blender 3D rendering) |
| 08:35.52 | overc0de | ;o |
| 08:36.02 | HardDisk_WP | i want to make an avi with 2fps out of it |
| 08:36.10 | HardDisk_WP | what is the best solution how to do this? |
| 08:37.04 | jelly-home | if "best" is what you're looking for, you shouldn't use a lossy format as input |
| 08:37.25 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 08:38.02 | HardDisk_WP | problem is, i have tried virtualdub on windows, but the resulting avi leads to a crash of VLC :( |
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| 08:38.32 | jelly-home | perhaps #mplayer or #vlc would have an idea |
| 08:38.43 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 08:39.06 | jelly-home | vlc might be on some other network, this one here is rather empty |
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| 08:39.18 | liable | HardDisk_WP: avidemux is the closest i have seen to virtualdubmod for linux |
| 08:39.23 | Pupeno1 | How do I get the version of the package inside rules? |
| 08:39.30 | HardDisk_WP | hm...as I just see, I run an *ancient* version of VLC |
| 08:39.39 | HardDisk_WP | ultra-ancient...0.8.6 |
| 08:39.51 | liable | Pavlz: inside rules? |
| 08:39.57 | liable | Pupeno1: ^^^ |
| 08:40.06 | Pupeno1 | liable: yes, debian/rules |
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| 08:40.26 | HardDisk_WP | ah, after update it works :) |
| 08:40.52 | liable | Pupeno1: package version is set in the changelog |
| 08:41.13 | Pupeno1 | liable: yes, I know, I want to *get* it on rules. |
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| 08:41.28 | liable | Pupeno1: i dont understand what you mean |
| 08:42.03 | Pupeno1 | liable: I need a string with the version number on rules, to do something with it. |
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| 08:43.00 | Pupeno1 | liable: like echo $(VERSION) |
| 08:43.02 | capiira_ | hi all is there a way to let apt display installed applications that is not available in the repository anymore? |
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| 08:43.43 | liable | Pupeno1: something like.. DEBVERS := $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -n 's/^Version: .*:\(.*\)-.*/\1/p') |
| 08:43.57 | liable | replace the sed command with what you want to do |
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| 08:44.52 | Pupeno1 | liable: is that the best option? according to http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source, it should be on $(SRC_VERSION) but it isn't. I was expecting it was just a typo. |
| 08:45.27 | liable | Pupeno1: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 08:45.37 | Pupeno1 | Thanks. |
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| 08:46.23 | Pupeno1 | liable: #debian-mentors seems pretty dead. |
| 08:47.25 | liable | Pupeno1: on oftc server |
| 08:47.37 | liable | irc.debian.org |
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| 08:53.45 | freelan | koolhead17: problem mount sharing XP resourse, enter smbmount //SERVER/Public /mnt/smb/ username=admin password=12345, pause and console print message "4303: protocol negotiation failed |
| 08:53.45 | freelan | SMB connection failed |
| 08:53.58 | freelan | help plz |
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| 08:54.26 | digifor | further to my last. gparted says: Unable to open /dev/scd0 - unrecognised disk label. |
| 08:55.08 | koolhead17 | freelan: can u see samba drive shared on ur XP |
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| 08:56.23 | freelan | koolhead17: Debian Ethr4_3= samba, mount point = XP sp2 |
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| 08:57.15 | freelan | and i use snb4k non resultat ( |
| 08:57.24 | freelan | *smb4k |
| 08:58.00 | koolhead17 | freelan: my friend.have have given permission of read write to the user |
| 08:58.07 | koolhead17 | browseable = yes |
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| 08:58.14 | koolhead17 | in your conf file? |
| 08:58.51 | freelan | file smb.conf ? |
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| 08:59.36 | koolhead17 | hmm |
| 09:00.01 | koolhead17 | have you created a workgroup |
| 09:00.12 | koolhead17 | and name of shared directory? |
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| 09:01.26 | freelan | yes i have workgroup on NT network and sharing folder on XP host |
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| 09:05.35 | freelan | koolhead17: but names workgroup NT and Linux the various, in it a problem? |
| 09:05.57 | koolhead17 | no not |
| 09:06.16 | koolhead17 | wanted to know if your properly confirgured everythin |
| 09:08.28 | freelan | tell me name config file and I show you this config |
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| 09:09.15 | LeoDing | Hello...I install Debian Testing(Lenny ,CD1) on my laptop,but the wireless don't work...the Driver is already loaded ... |
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| 09:09.34 | gimmal | anyone know of any good deb community sites? |
| 09:10.00 | gimmal | just lookin to do the community thang & what |
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| 09:10.15 | freelan | LeoDing version kernel? |
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| 09:11.38 | freelan | LeoDing: show version kernel you system |
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| 09:12.23 | gimmal | planet debian -- that's what it were called |
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| 09:12.36 | LeoDing | freelan: 2.6.26-1-6868 |
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| 09:13.06 | digifor | http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:14.43 | freelan | LeoDing: hmm, you independent assemblage, or install *.deb ready kernel-image ? |
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| 09:15.49 | vadmeste | good morning |
| 09:15.52 | vadmeste | :p |
| 09:16.24 | wols_ | LeoDing: what wlan chip? |
| 09:16.31 | wols_ | freelan: it's the standard lenny kernel |
| 09:16.33 | LeoDing | wols_: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection(rev 05) |
| 09:16.43 | wols_ | !tell LeoDing about ipw2200 |
| 09:17.32 | wols_ | freelan: mount via //ip/sharename |
| 09:18.13 | LeoDing | wols_:yes,I run command "lsmod |more " can find ipw2200 Driver,It was loaded.. |
| 09:18.30 | wols_ | LeoDing: read the factoid more carefully, there is much more to it |
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| 09:22.40 | freelan | wols_: change name workgroup NT server and restart system, mount work! |
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| 09:23.49 | freelan | wols_: what is via? |
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| 09:24.18 | wols_ | a word. look it up |
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| 09:35.15 | digifor | Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb??? |
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| 09:35.53 | liable | thats usually bad news |
| 09:36.43 | digifor | It is a SD Card. |
| 09:37.49 | digifor | partman sees the sd card but fdisk does not |
| 09:38.06 | LeoDing | wols_: can you give me some idea ? |
| 09:38.11 | liable | you doing an install? |
| 09:38.20 | LeoDing | wols_: about my wireless ... |
| 09:38.34 | liable | LeoDing: have you installed the firmware? |
| 09:38.48 | `nstuff | what does provide, echo_success ? |
| 09:39.02 | LeoDing | liable: yes...i can find it |
| 09:39.08 | digifor | I really just want to format it. gparted would not work. fdisk does not work. livecd with same no good. |
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| 09:39.19 | digifor | so trying the debian installer. |
| 09:39.35 | digifor | I think it just needs a disklabel |
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| 09:39.49 | `nstuff | this init.d script says command not found on echo_success ? |
| 09:40.28 | liable | LeoDing: paste your dmesg output to a pastebin site |
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| 09:44.25 | digifor | dmesg | tail gives "buffer i/o error on /dev/sdb, logical block 0" |
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| 09:46.36 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.44 | liable | !paste |
| 09:46.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 09:47.21 | LeoDing | liable: Thanks.. |
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| 09:47.35 | `nstuff | guess thats in init.d/functions which i dont have on my system ;/ |
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| 09:48.08 | LeoDing | liable: http://paste.debian.net/18568/ |
| 09:48.34 | wols_ | !tell digifor about eee |
| 09:48.51 | wols_ | digifor: you are already the 2nd guy with such a problem on a netbook |
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| 09:49.20 | digifor | thanks wols |
| 09:49.28 | liable | LeoDing: it cant find your firmware.. ls -l /lib/firmware |
| 09:49.50 | liable | i havent seen that on my eee |
| 09:50.05 | LeoDing | liable: There is nothing ... |
| 09:50.07 | wols_ | yesterday someone was in here with a "bus error" |
| 09:50.11 | mindflayer1 | hi all |
| 09:50.15 | LeoDing | liable: what is firmware ? |
| 09:50.31 | mindflayer1 | anybody able to solve a c++ problem compiling a software on debian testing? |
| 09:50.34 | wols_ | LeoDing: I told you to read the factoid. there it is explained what to do. 2nd sentence. why didn't you do it? |
| 09:50.46 | wols_ | !tell mindflayer1 about anyone |
| 09:51.01 | liable | LeoDing: wols_ is right, it tells you about getting the firmware |
| 09:51.55 | mindflayer1 | LifetimeLibrary.cpp:29: error: 'upper_bound' is not a member of 'std' |
| 09:52.10 | wols_ | mindflayer1: #c++ |
| 09:52.32 | wols_ | mindflayer1: check cppreference.com |
| 09:52.43 | LeoDing | wols_:i fond some file in directory "/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/firmware" |
| 09:52.54 | liable | someones changed a struct member.. |
| 09:53.03 | mindflayer1 | ok i'll have a look, thank you |
| 09:53.04 | LeoDing | wols_:it's seems some driver |
| 09:53.24 | liable | !ipw2200 |
| 09:53.24 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2200 was the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php (v3.0 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. For Sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:53.25 | wols_ | LeoDing: what does the factoid tell you? |
| 09:53.38 | liable | LeoDing: read that. see the mention of firmware? |
| 09:53.50 | wols_ | liable: no, mindflayer1 just can't program C++ |
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| 09:54.36 | wols_ | LeoDing: what does the factoid tell you about firmware? |
| 09:54.44 | mindflayer1 | me too, i'm a pythno coder |
| 09:54.48 | mindflayer1 | python^ |
| 09:56.21 | wols_ | liable: it truly is sunday |
| 09:56.43 | LeoDing | wols_: it's mean Firmware is an open source 802.11a/bg driver for the ipw2200 and ipw2915 ...Firmware is a Driver? what about ipw2200 ?? |
| 09:56.43 | liable | it felt like it yesterday to me |
| 09:57.07 | wols_ | LeoDing: what does the factoid tell you about firmware? |
| 09:57.16 | liable | LeoDing: just go to the page that the factoid mentions and download it, extract the files and put them in /lib/firmware |
| 09:57.43 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.07 | wols_ | liable: I really get the impression they don't _want_ to understand what they are told |
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| 09:59.34 | liable | wols_: think back to when you started, i guess it can all be a bit confusing if you are new to it all. and the more experience you get, the more you wonder why everyone else doesnt understand. |
| 09:59.56 | wols_ | back then I had no irc access and couldn't even ask other people |
| 10:00.09 | wols_ | but why they ignore a clearly "go there, do this" is beyond moe |
| 10:00.32 | liable | and you had to walk uphill 5 miles to school in the snow? ;) |
| 10:00.54 | wols_ | the internet just wasn't available yet all the time like it is now |
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| 10:01.15 | liable | i know, id be screwed without it. |
| 10:01.15 | wols_ | pay per minute dialup :) |
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| 10:02.45 | LeoDing | liable:Thank you ... |
| 10:03.30 | liable | LeoDing: working? |
| 10:04.12 | LeoDing | liable: yes, it's OK... |
| 10:04.25 | liable | good |
| 10:04.27 | LeoDing | liable: Thank you very much ... |
| 10:04.53 | liable | no worries |
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| 10:07.20 | liable | didnt realise how much crap i have in /home till i started rsync'ing it over to another box.. |
| 10:09.43 | RichiH | liable: goat porn has large filesizes due to the many hairs that need to be displayed |
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| 10:10.20 | liable | RichiH: you must hang out with abrotman too much |
| 10:10.32 | RichiH | actually, Dave2 |
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| 10:10.56 | liable | RichiH: |
| 10:11.01 | liable | http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 10:11.50 | RichiH | liable: i note that you have a relevant pic handy |
| 10:11.59 | abdoullimaya | bonjour |
| 10:12.00 | liable | of course! |
| 10:12.25 | bullgard4 | What does 'hvc' stand for in 'hvc console'? See http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0602.2/0737.html |
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| 10:14.23 | JDigital | Should my server have six instances of 'getty' running as root |
| 10:14.41 | liable | RichiH: you have to pay for the good stuff though. that was just a teaser.. |
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| 10:15.50 | wols_ | JDigital: no harm |
| 10:16.04 | JDigital | ok |
| 10:16.17 | liable | thats your six vt's |
| 10:16.34 | JDigital | Aha. |
| 10:16.40 | cahoot | hypervisor console ? |
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| 10:17.43 | bullgard4 | This would not take care of the 'c' |
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| 10:17.53 | cahoot | redundancy? |
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| 10:18.06 | wols_ | cahoot: good luck |
| 10:18.26 | cahoot | wols_: thank you |
| 10:18.45 | wols_ | you will need it. tho why he asks here is beyond me. probably the other channel didn't know |
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| 10:21.55 | RichiH | liable: i will get back to you once i am done with that pic |
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| 10:23.16 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I upgrade specifically to etchnhalf, or am I already using it if using etch, or? |
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| 10:25.04 | liable | hehe |
| 10:25.12 | maurizio_ | viceversa |
| 10:25.19 | maurizio_ | ops, sorry |
| 10:25.20 | abdoullimaya | bonjour |
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| 10:29.45 | Arafangion | dpkg: Upgrading to etchnhalf |
| 10:29.45 | dpkg | Arafangion: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:30.42 | flipflop_ | hi |
| 10:30.45 | flipflop_ | When lenny will be stable? |
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| 10:32.59 | Arafangion | flipflop_: When all release critical bugs are fixed. |
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| 10:33.09 | flipflop_ | :'( |
| 10:33.24 | emergo | I'm unable to start a console using ctrl+alt+F1 F2 etc. is this gnome teasing mee ? |
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| 10:34.02 | JyZyXEL | after apt-get install kdevelop && kdevelop it says Unable to find plugins |
| 10:34.30 | Arafangion | emergo: The consoles are already there, however I've noticed that on _this_ particular laptop I am using, I can't - an issue I'm blaming on a buggy graphics card or (more likely) a buggy driver. |
| 10:34.32 | JyZyXEL | and apt-cache search kdevelop | grep plugin | wc -l gives 0 |
| 10:35.13 | emergo | Arafangion: ok, well I have always been able to before, init 3 doesnt do anything for me either |
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| 10:38.41 | Arafangion | emergo: In that case, I doubt it's a driver bug, though it could very well still be - my other laptop hates switching to and fro standby and to and fro text/graphics if I did so more than 5 or 10 times. |
| 10:39.13 | Arafangion | emergo: You really have no advantage using the console, on modern hardware, especially if you use the screen program. |
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| 10:46.56 | emergo | Arafangion: the NVIDIA linux drivers cant be installed unless ( creating modules maybe, dont remember) i stop the xsession |
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| 10:47.52 | Yuuki92 | hi |
| 10:47.53 | Arafangion | emergo: I retract my statement. :( |
| 10:48.18 | emergo | Arafangion: :-) |
| 10:48.26 | JyZyXEL | Unable to find plugins, KDevelop will not work properly. |
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| 10:48.37 | JyZyXEL | what is this shit |
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| 10:48.44 | Yuuki92 | hi anyone have msn or yahoo? |
| 10:48.55 | Yuuki92 | I'm really bored TT_TT |
| 10:49.02 | Yuuki92 | need some one to chat with ... |
| 10:49.48 | emergo | Arafangion: I hope its because ( i just found by running apt-get update) that dpkg --configure -a must be run to finish, so I hope that will fix it |
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| 10:51.29 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to set up a testing-unstable mix to install the nvidia drivers |
| 10:52.11 | EmleyMoor | When I install gcc, it seems to be downloading the version from sid - is this correct behaviour if I have set the default release in apt.conf to lenny? |
| 10:52.24 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: wrong behaviour |
| 10:52.29 | buntfalke | how to make m-a use a certain gcc version/ |
| 10:52.31 | buntfalke | ? |
| 10:52.42 | EmleyMoor | wols_: Hmmm... what do I do to make it work right? |
| 10:52.50 | wols_ | buntfalke: export CC=path to desirted gcc |
| 10:53.05 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: I'd use only deb-src from sid and get nvidia-graphics-drivers sources |
| 10:53.09 | buntfalke | wols_: thanks |
| 10:53.29 | wols_ | from non-free or contrib. then build the nvidia .deb packages from that and install them |
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| 10:55.07 | JyZyXEL | lol i installed ecplise and it took over 300MB |
| 10:55.22 | JyZyXEL | now i do apt-get remove ecplipse and i got 400kB freed :D |
| 10:55.25 | EmleyMoor | wols: Right - tried that too and made a load of packages that fail to install with this: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `mlocate' in statoverride file |
| 10:55.45 | EmleyMoor | I'd do owt as'd work |
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| 10:56.22 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: then check your statoverride file |
| 10:56.42 | EmleyMoor | I haven't touched it |
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| 10:57.01 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: sure but this is not a problem from the nvidia drivers |
| 10:57.05 | wols_ | this is about mlocate |
| 10:57.12 | wols_ | so check it |
| 10:57.24 | EmleyMoor | Indeed... I am trying to find the file now |
| 10:57.39 | EmleyMoor | I've still got loads to fix on this new machine |
| 10:57.52 | Mercedes | can anyone tell me where is the channel for openoffice |
| 10:58.02 | Mercedes | in etch? |
| 10:58.15 | wols_ | what has the debian version to do with the irc channel for it? |
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| 11:00.07 | Arafangion | So... How does one get xorg drivers from etchnhalf. |
| 11:00.16 | luka | hey guys! is linux-image-2.6-686 a correct image for a Core 2 Duo system ? |
| 11:00.18 | Arafangion | I do NOT feel like grabbing etchnhalf's lenny-based CD installer. |
| 11:00.23 | Arafangion | luka: Yes. |
| 11:00.44 | luka | Arafangion: thank you! |
| 11:00.47 | Arafangion | luka: That's the correct kernel for _any_ 686-based cpu. |
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| 11:01.06 | luka | I am not really clear on what is 686 versus 386 |
| 11:01.21 | ceil420 | can i just adduser root? |
| 11:01.22 | ceil420 | ;x |
| 11:01.41 | ceil420 | i didn't enable it during install, but gksu doesn't seem to like my own password |
| 11:01.46 | Arafangion | luka: Well, the 386 kernel will run on the 686 one, however it doesn't use as many optimisations, the 686 one would be a bit faster. |
| 11:01.55 | EmleyMoor | 686 is basically your more modern i386 - Pentium 2 and later, I think |
| 11:02.18 | Mercedes | can someone please tell me where is the channel for openoffice in etch?:) |
| 11:02.26 | luka | I see. Arafangion and EmleyMoor thank you both. |
| 11:02.35 | luka | I had my mobo fried 2 days ago |
| 11:02.42 | ceil420 | Mercedes, is there an #openoffice or #ooo ? |
| 11:02.43 | luka | today I revived my system |
| 11:02.43 | EmleyMoor | Mercedes: How is "in etch" relevant? |
| 11:02.56 | Arafangion | luka: I suspect that the 686 one has a default memory limit of about 4GB, while the 386 one has a limit of below 1GB, however in both cases you can recompile for higher memory sizes. |
| 11:02.59 | ceil420 | EmleyMoor, two year old version might be relevant |
| 11:03.13 | luka | I've got 2GB |
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| 11:04.44 | EmleyMoor | Well, yes, I'm used to being told "that's old hat" when I have problems with stuff |
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| 11:04.56 | Mercedes | This is Mercedes adult friend '- sheś 15 and has yesterday installed debian for the first time - please give her a break guys ,) we all started somewhere:) |
| 11:05.17 | Arafangion | ceil420: There might be an #openoffice.org, or #ooo. |
| 11:05.22 | Arafangion | ceil420: Find out. |
| 11:05.28 | EmleyMoor | Either on oftc or freenode |
| 11:05.36 | ceil420 | Arafangion, i was suggesting to Mercedes to find out... |
| 11:05.54 | ceil420 | probably should have been more concise |
| 11:06.10 | Arafangion | Or more explicit. :) |
| 11:06.14 | amphi | Mercedes: you could ask your real question, perhaps |
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| 11:07.28 | wols_ | ceil420: you have a root account. what its password is, who knows |
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| 11:08.13 | EmleyMoor | How do I tell if xorg is now using the nvidia driver? |
| 11:08.27 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: glxinfo |
| 11:08.28 | Arafangion | EmleyMoor: Nvidia usually makes it quite obvious. |
| 11:08.32 | ceil420 | wols_, no i don't, i (stupidly) disabled it during install |
| 11:09.00 | wols_ | ceil420: getent passwd root |
| 11:09.51 | ceil420 | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 11:10.03 | wols_ | ceil420: see? you have a root account. QED |
| 11:10.03 | ceil420 | ...but i didn't set a password at install :o |
| 11:10.05 | EmleyMoor | wols_: OK, how do I tell from glxinfo's output? |
| 11:10.19 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: it tells you |
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| 11:10.38 | wols_ | if you can't interpret it, pastebin the output |
| 11:10.40 | ceil420 | is it possible to change root's password with sudo? |
| 11:10.47 | EmleyMoor | wols_: I suspect it's telling me it isn't |
| 11:10.55 | wols_ | ceil420: sure. but you need root priviledges to change it... |
| 11:11.12 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 11:11.34 | ceil420 | i can sudo stuff, i just wasn't sure if you could change root's stuff as a normal user even with sudo |
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| 11:11.52 | Octalot | EmleyMoor: glxinfo | grep string |
| 11:11.53 | ceil420 | what's the command to change a password? :x |
| 11:12.00 | wols_ | ceil420: what debian do you run? dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:12.13 | EmleyMoor | Octalot: No string in it |
| 11:12.20 | ceil420 | ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:12.23 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: pastebin |
| 11:12.34 | ceil420 | dunno what that means, but lenny |
| 11:12.38 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: and THINK before you blindly type what you're told here |
| 11:12.57 | wols_ | ceil420: man passwd |
| 11:12.57 | EmleyMoor | I'm not doing anything blindly |
| 11:13.10 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: you obviously do as shown by your last reply |
| 11:13.15 | ceil420 | ahh, i tried chpass only to find command not found :x |
| 11:13.17 | ceil420 | cheers wols_ |
| 11:13.23 | Octalot | in this case "string" is lliterally the thing to look for. But yes, pastebin what was actually printed |
| 11:13.30 | EmleyMoor | I didn't actually type that |
| 11:13.42 | EmleyMoor | I will pastebin the whole output |
| 11:13.47 | wols_ | finally |
| 11:14.19 | Arafangion | It is usually extremely obvious that the nvidia driver is being used, which makes me believe that it isn't. |
| 11:14.47 | wols_ | Arafangion: I asked him if it's even installed but he didn't respond |
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| 11:15.29 | EmleyMoor | http://paste,debian.net/18575/ |
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| 11:15.46 | Arafangion | wols_: Bleh. :( |
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| 11:15.55 | buntfalke | Is it a bug if "m-a a-i kqemu" uses gcc4 by default although this is known to break it? |
| 11:16.19 | buntfalke | Or is this supposed to be in the responsibility of the user? |
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| 11:16.26 | EmleyMoor | and 18576 |
| 11:16.35 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 11:16.43 | EmleyMoor | That's in 18576 |
| 11:18.34 | Octalot | Comment (with bad linebreaks) added to 18575 |
| 11:19.07 | Octalot | So no, you're not running the nvidia server. |
| 11:19.54 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: can you pastebin the output of this command? |
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| 11:20.41 | hellues | hey |
| 11:21.12 | EmleyMoor | wols_: That is in http://paste.debian.net/18576/ as I said |
| 11:21.15 | hellues | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 11:21.27 | hellues | i couldnt take index file from this address |
| 11:21.33 | hellues | what is wrong in this address |
| 11:22.12 | wols_ | ok, drivers are installed EmleyMoor. now pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:22.28 | EmleyMoor | hellues: How did you try it? |
| 11:22.49 | wols_ | hellues: if those are two lines in sources.list, it looks fine |
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| 11:23.54 | hellues | wols_: wait a second |
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| 11:24.26 | hellues | aptitude update i try this one |
| 11:24.30 | hellues | !paste |
| 11:24.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:24.35 | EmleyMoor | OK, they are 18577&8 |
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| 11:25.24 | somebee_ | what is the syntax for running a cronjob every 5 minutes |
| 11:25.28 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18579/ it stopped after last line |
| 11:25.28 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 11:25.35 | Mercedes | / join#openoffice.org |
| 11:25.35 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: what geforce card is it? |
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| 11:26.22 | hellues | and couldnt recieve anything |
| 11:26.53 | wols_ | hellues: so? looks fine |
| 11:26.59 | hellues | no |
| 11:27.00 | EmleyMoor | 9600GSO |
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| 11:27.32 | hellues | you said looks fine but it didnt finish aptitude update process didnt finish |
| 11:28.03 | hellues | it stopped in something and it didnt take i didnt take anypackage |
| 11:28.11 | hellues | from address in sources.list |
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| 11:29.03 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18580/ |
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| 11:29.58 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: do you have a README file for the nvidia drivers? somewhere in /usr/share/doc maybe? |
| 11:30.04 | EmleyMoor | Did you interrupt it during that second update? |
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| 11:30.24 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: there, nvidia lists the cards supported. according to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html the 9600gso is supported |
| 11:30.33 | wols_ | but better check on the package you instaleld on your machine |
| 11:30.46 | wols_ | !tell hellues about errors |
| 11:30.47 | hellues | i had to interrupt because i didnt move forward |
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| 11:31.11 | wols_ | hellues: the paste you showed it downloaded at least the packages.gz of 2 repos |
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| 11:31.27 | EmleyMoor | hellues: Try not interrupting it |
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| 11:31.49 | hellues | EmleyMoor: |
| 11:31.56 | hellues | it waits |
| 11:32.22 | EmleyMoor | Wait until it stops waiting |
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| 11:32.30 | Octalot | hellues: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 11:32.56 | Octalot | Generally, network stuff can take up to 10 minutes to time out. |
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| 11:33.16 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18581/ |
| 11:33.20 | hellues | it my sources.list |
| 11:33.39 | hellues | it is my sources.list |
| 11:33.56 | EmleyMoor | 9600GSO is supported by this package |
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| 11:34.14 | EmleyMoor | It's just as though I need to activate it somehow |
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| 11:34.34 | Octalot | hellues: download.tuxfamily.org isn't responding for me |
| 11:35.01 | hellues | hmm i took compiz package from tuxfamily.org |
| 11:35.06 | hellues | compiz shame repo |
| 11:35.16 | jpinx | amphi: I started mercedes in Debian yesterday ,) |
| 11:35.26 | Octalot | try commenting it out in your sources.list |
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| 11:35.37 | hellues | okey |
| 11:36.30 | jpinx | amphi: sheś got good english but is more comfortable in Spanish |
| 11:36.46 | hellues | i cooment out ftp.debian.org works fine thats interesting i think.I dont understand i take some package from tuxfamily.And it prevents ftp.debian.org work fine. |
| 11:36.49 | amphi | jpinx: uhuh |
| 11:36.58 | amphi | jpinx: #debian-es perhaps |
| 11:37.08 | EmleyMoor | What should I check next? |
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| 11:37.25 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: dmesg |
| 11:37.31 | Octalot | hellues: when you do "aptitude update", it downloads updates from all the servers in sources.list. |
| 11:38.06 | jpinx | amphi: sheś got etch running with language choice at login, so that I can revert to English to help her,) |
| 11:38.15 | EmleyMoor | wols_: For the lines when loading the module? |
| 11:38.19 | hellues | anyway problem fixed |
| 11:38.21 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: yes |
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| 11:38.37 | wols_ | should be at the end |
| 11:38.45 | EmleyMoor | OK - they look fine to me but I will pastebin (unless it's unnecessary) |
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| 11:39.32 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: lspci -nn says 0610 for the pci id? |
| 11:39.35 | EmleyMoor | 18582 if you need to see them |
| 11:39.47 | wols_ | 1069:0610 I think |
| 11:39.58 | EmleyMoor | 10de:0610 |
| 11:40.41 | hellues | are there a kile in ftp.us.debian.org |
| 11:40.48 | hellues | i couldnt find this package |
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| 11:41.34 | EmleyMoor | kile should be there, hellues |
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| 11:41.45 | EmleyMoor | apt-get update, let it finish, then try |
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| 11:42.26 | hellues | no |
| 11:42.33 | hellues | i do aptitude update |
| 11:42.39 | EmleyMoor | Or that |
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| 11:43.02 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18583/ look |
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| 11:43.54 | EmleyMoor | hellues: And you did the update, letting it finish? |
| 11:44.01 | hellues | yes |
| 11:44.05 | Cheeky | hey can some one please .. help me installing a logitec web cam with this usb id ID 046d:08c1 Logitech, Inc. iam on ubuntu 8.04 |
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| 11:44.23 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... go into aptitude and see if you can find kile listed |
| 11:44.30 | wols_ | Cheeky: ask #ubuntu |
| 11:44.44 | Cheeky | wols_: i cant i am banned from there |
| 11:44.48 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18584/ |
| 11:44.54 | wols_ | hellues: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 11:45.02 | wols_ | Cheeky: we don't care. we don't support ubuntu |
| 11:45.17 | wols_ | Cheeky: and if you insist, there is a high chance you get banned here too. go to some ubuntu webforum then |
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| 11:45.32 | Cheeky | wols_: ok |
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| 11:45.54 | hellues | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/18585/ |
| 11:46.04 | EmleyMoor | Any more I can do to get the nvidia driver working? |
| 11:46.54 | Arafangion | Why do so many Ubuntu uses come here for help? |
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| 11:47.02 | wols_ | hellues: delete all of those files apt apt-get update again |
| 11:47.19 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: check if all nvidia* are isntalled. e.g. glx, the x driver, etc |
| 11:47.43 | craigevil | Arafangion: ever taken a peek in #ubuntu ? |
| 11:48.17 | Arafangion | craigevil: I used to run Ubuntu myself a few years ago, but excellent point. :( It's one reason why I stopped using it. |
| 11:48.18 | EmleyMoor | The five packages listed in 18576 are installed. Is there anything more I need? |
| 11:48.51 | wols_ | you shouldn't :( |
| 11:48.53 | EmleyMoor | nvidia-glx-ia32? |
| 11:49.00 | craigevil | Arafangion: nothing but debian for me, i go in #ubuntu when im really really bored or need a good laugh |
| 11:49.30 | Arafangion | craigevil: What a peculiar way to spend your time. |
| 11:49.55 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: duh. you are on amd64 |
| 11:49.58 | EmleyMoor | It's as though there is some config change I need to make to activate the driver |
| 11:49.59 | hellues | wols_: i delete and aptitude update |
| 11:50.03 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: afaik yes. sorry. overlooked it |
| 11:50.05 | hellues | result is same |
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| 11:50.13 | jkp | help me im extremely scared! |
| 11:50.21 | jkp | my raid has just stopped working this morning |
| 11:50.46 | jkp | the debian maintanence script seems to have triggered a rebuild and i didnt realise this and rebooted my server in the middle |
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| 11:50.51 | jkp | now it wont remount the disks |
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| 11:51.17 | EmleyMoor | Still no go |
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| 11:51.40 | jkp | i found a message which said it was "kicking an unclean drive" from the array |
| 11:51.51 | jkp | ive force a readd and restarted things and now its in this state |
| 11:52.00 | jkp | md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdc[0] sdb[3] sda[1] sdd[2] |
| 11:52.09 | jkp | how do i bring it back up fully? |
| 11:52.40 | EmleyMoor | Still showing the same EE |
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| 11:53.52 | EmleyMoor | jkp: What's missing?# |
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| 11:54.57 | EmleyMoor | Is there a channel with more expertise in getting the nvidia drivers working? |
| 11:55.28 | EmleyMoor | Is there a "chooser" to configure which driver is used?# |
| 11:55.45 | luka | I've got that 686 kernel rolling |
| 11:55.57 | luka | just to get eth0 up and I'm done ;) |
| 11:55.59 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: not in lenny anymore :( |
| 11:56.13 | Neaai | EmleyMoor: I'd say you check the Nvidia docs for the model of the card you need |
| 11:56.16 | wols_ | youd have to edit xorg.conf manually but it won't help. X tries to load the proper drivers |
| 11:56.31 | wols_ | luka: what NIC? |
| 11:56.44 | luka | wols_: no clue |
| 11:56.47 | luka | it's onboard |
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| 11:56.51 | wols_ | luka: then find out. lspci |
| 11:56.52 | luka | int-dg31pr |
| 11:56.57 | luka | let me se |
| 11:56.58 | craigevil | EmleyMoor: if your running Lenny or sid you can use> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html |
| 11:56.58 | luka | see |
| 11:57.45 | luka | realtek |
| 11:57.47 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: if you go the route craigevil suggested, you better simply download the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 11:58.06 | wols_ | !tell luka about enter |
| 11:58.22 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: they aren't supported here tho, but in #nvidia |
| 11:58.40 | wols_ | luka: realtek makes a dozen different NICs |
| 11:58.48 | wols_ | luka: and what kernel version? |
| 11:58.55 | luka | isnt the driver the same |
| 11:59.01 | luka | 2.6.26 |
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| 11:59.28 | wols_ | no. answer my question |
| 11:59.39 | wols_ | what NIC |
| 12:00.45 | hellues | kile anjuta eclipse is not in repo ftp.debian.org |
| 12:00.49 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... running nvidia-xconfig has done igt |
| 12:00.50 | EmleyMoor | it |
| 12:00.56 | hellues | normally it must be there |
| 12:01.03 | EmleyMoor | Now I can attack the rest of the stuff... |
| 12:01.14 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: it made it run? |
| 12:01.30 | EmleyMoor | If I want to transfer a whole mysql database from an old system, what files do I need? |
| 12:01.33 | wols_ | xconfig simply rewrites your xorg.conf |
| 12:01.34 | EmleyMoor | wols_: Yes |
| 12:01.58 | EmleyMoor | nvidia-xconfig writes appropriate lines to activate the driver |
| 12:01.59 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: make a dump with mysqldump or phpmyadmin or such |
| 12:02.37 | EmleyMoor | wols_: Hmmm... any way if that's not an option? |
| 12:02.47 | Neaai | EmleyMoor: for the mysql database transfer use the dump procedure and then read the dump back to the new system |
| 12:02.51 | wols_ | why is it not an option? |
| 12:02.59 | wols_ | if you can copy files you can use mysqldump |
| 12:03.02 | EmleyMoor | Old system is dead |
| 12:03.08 | luka | wols_: RTL8111/8168B |
| 12:03.39 | wols_ | luka: r8169 is the driver. ifconfig -a to check if the interface is already there |
| 12:03.49 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: and youz have the hdd connected to the new system? |
| 12:03.57 | EmleyMoor | I do/can |
| 12:04.01 | luka | wols_: interface is there |
| 12:04.08 | luka | cause it worked under old mobo |
| 12:04.14 | luka | just the driver changed |
| 12:04.15 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: then you can use mysqldump. chroot to the hdd's mountmount and run mysqldump |
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| 12:04.40 | wols_ | luka: do what I said |
| 12:04.56 | luka | wols_: I don't like your tone |
| 12:04.59 | wols_ | s/mountmount/mountpoint |
| 12:05.02 | luka | thanks for the help |
| 12:05.14 | wols_ | good riddance then |
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| 12:07.20 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: if you simply copy the files, the formats might not match or such. files are under /var/lib/mysql/ IIRC |
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| 12:13.43 | EmleyMoor | update notification icon is lighting up even when there aren't any - why would it do that? |
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| 12:17.17 | enouf | if i ever saw an 'update notification' anything on my screen, i'd pull out my 12gauge pump shotgun |
| 12:17.28 | amphi | ECAHN |
| 12:17.32 | amphi | er, ECHAN |
| 12:17.43 | enouf | e-can-haz-cheezburger! |
| 12:17.59 | amphi | heh |
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| 12:20.36 | hellues | hety |
| 12:20.51 | hellues | my alsa doesnt work my system is debian lenny my kernel version 2.6.26 |
| 12:21.04 | hellues | i change volume from volume panel but there is no sound |
| 12:21.17 | hellues | what can i do |
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| 12:24.42 | amphi | !alsa checklist |
| 12:24.42 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 12:28.11 | wols_ | enouf: so you shoot your screen bacause of shitty software? |
| 12:28.26 | slept | I am having trouble with my intel i945 in X, it randomly crashes / tries to restart the server. The error is a server lockup , leaving me no other choice but to reboot. This error started to occur after doing a fresh install of lenny, on the install which i frequently updated since last december things were just fine. The xorg.conf is only defaults. |
| 12:28.31 | wols_ | and for mass appeal said notification is necessary |
| 12:30.50 | jkp | ok, i have my lv's back |
| 12:31.04 | jkp | i think i should force a check of the raid...how can i do this? |
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| 12:32.43 | enouf | wols_: nah, but i'm going to shoot something ;-) |
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| 12:36.28 | enouf | slept: perhaps some conflicts? does "grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log" show you intel_drv.so? maybe you have some older i915resolution pkgs installed? are libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} installed? What else have you changed? System RAM at all? sounds like a buggy video driver - try vesa for a while |
| 12:36.29 | DocMAX | how to i delete all /var/log files? |
| 12:36.34 | hellues | no works |
| 12:36.35 | DocMAX | with one command? |
| 12:36.37 | hellues | in alsa |
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| 12:36.43 | enouf | man rm |
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| 12:37.04 | DocMAX | i dont want to rm the whole dir |
| 12:37.06 | enouf | hellues: explain how and at which point the alsa checklist failed |
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| 12:37.17 | DocMAX | cause the system needs some files to be there |
| 12:37.27 | enouf | DocMAX: do you know what a shell glob is? |
| 12:37.29 | DocMAX | is there a cleanu tool? |
| 12:37.40 | DocMAX | cleanup |
| 12:37.45 | chomwitt | in '$dpkg --list' output i get some strange entries with 'un' and version:none and description:none. eg glibc-doc . But there isn't any named package in /var/lib/dpkg/status or available. where did this entry come from and why ? |
| 12:37.46 | pobega | Hi, I dunno what to do. I was doing an upgrade and the terminal closed, and now I can't figure out what to do...I keep getting "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 12:37.47 | DocMAX | shell glob? no |
| 12:37.51 | enouf | DocMAX: just remove all the .gz files - you can also use find + rm |
| 12:38.11 | enouf | http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 12:38.20 | DocMAX | can i also delete the syslog files? |
| 12:38.27 | DocMAX | i want to reset them all |
| 12:38.27 | hellues | no failed |
| 12:38.32 | hellues | but no sound |
| 12:38.32 | enouf | i don't know, why would you? |
| 12:38.42 | enouf | are you having disk space issues? |
| 12:39.11 | DocMAX | yes |
| 12:39.23 | enouf | hellues: mute buttons in alsamixer? |
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| 12:39.46 | enouf | DocMAX: is /var/ also on the same partition as your / ? |
| 12:39.49 | DocMAX | can i safely delete the whole /var/log dir?? |
| 12:39.59 | DocMAX | yes /var is on / |
| 12:40.04 | enouf | no, remove unwanted locales |
| 12:40.07 | keith80403 | In synaptic, some packages have the debian swirl to the left of the package name - what does that signify? |
| 12:40.20 | DocMAX | what are unwanted locales? |
| 12:40.43 | enouf | remove /usr/share/doc files if really squeezed for space - you can also apt-get {auto}clean |
| 12:40.45 | hellues | no mutes |
| 12:40.50 | hellues | everything open |
| 12:40.59 | enouf | DocMAX: see apt-cache show localepurge |
| 12:41.05 | jkp | whats the command to monitor a file? say for exacmple proc/mdstat |
| 12:41.22 | enouf | jkp: watch |
| 12:41.25 | enouf | tail -f |
| 12:41.31 | jkp | enouf: right (watch) |
| 12:41.43 | jkp | man, so, ive got everything back up again, but the question i have is this |
| 12:42.02 | DocMAX | logrotate... also a good tool? |
| 12:42.03 | jkp | i have this 2tb array, and every time it goes to run the integrity check it takes an age |
| 12:42.06 | jkp | and kills my machine |
| 12:42.18 | jkp | is there any way to thottle the process? |
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| 12:42.43 | enouf | jkp: there are config settings to speed that up |
| 12:42.58 | jkp | enouf: really? |
| 12:43.02 | jkp | its a complete nightmare |
| 12:43.14 | slept | enouf, (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so, as said fresh install of lenny , only defaults, libgl1-mesa re both installed. Can't think of anything that I changed ... on http://pastebin.com/d527be13e I have the errors and warnings, I can paste the complete logfile |
| 12:43.20 | jkp | if you run a fileserver on top of it, then once a month it just dies, and it screws a lot of things up |
| 12:43.35 | enouf | i forget where exactly - in /proc/sys/ somewhere, IIRC - oh wait, might only be for rebuilding the array which wouldn't be the integrity check |
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| 12:43.49 | pekdaniel | hi |
| 12:44.28 | enouf | jkp: but see /etc/default/mdadm, and also /etc/cron.*/ and see the mdadm files within, should you decide to do less integrity checks |
| 12:44.54 | jkp | enouf: ok, thanks dude |
| 12:45.07 | jkp | i can breathe a little easier now, my raid is back and being checked |
| 12:45.11 | enouf | jkp: also see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* for more info |
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| 12:46.03 | enouf | slept: well, new? or since last December? |
| 12:46.14 | jkp | are you supposed to be able to access the array when it is being checked? |
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| 12:46.29 | jkp | this seems to be the crunch point, it always makes acess almost impossible |
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| 12:46.37 | slept | thats from this morning just after a crash |
| 12:47.13 | enouf | slept: oh, sounds like an agpgart issue - listen; what does lsmod | grep edac say? |
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| 12:47.42 | slept | these are the last lines of the log http://pastebin.com/m3f98534e |
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| 12:47.53 | slept | no edac |
| 12:48.02 | enouf | hrm ..ok .. |
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| 12:49.34 | enouf | slept: can you send a mail to debian-x@lists.debian.org, or perhaps search the BTS for bugs, and maybe report one? i'm not really good with diagnosing these - so maybe also someone else will chime in |
| 12:50.20 | slept | hmmm, thanks |
| 12:50.24 | enouf | slept: can you show me your entire dmesg? |
| 12:50.30 | enouf | in a pastebin ofcourse |
| 12:50.33 | slept | sure |
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| 12:51.20 | enouf | slept: also - did you switch ARCHs? from i386 to amd64 ? |
| 12:51.54 | slept | no |
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| 12:52.00 | enouf | slept: and i asked about your December Lenny install, not about this morning's crash log ;-) |
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| 12:52.02 | slept | allways i386 |
| 12:52.03 | pekdaniel | sorry for offtopic. is here any american? i will go to the USA for 1 month, and i would like to buy there a cellular phone with a prepaid card construction. cheaper is better, and i will travel a lot, so big coverage is also relevant |
| 12:52.25 | pekdaniel | any good service provider? |
| 12:52.27 | enouf | slept: " This error started to occur after doing a fresh install of lenny, on the install which i frequently updated since last december things were just fine." |
| 12:52.43 | enouf | explain what you meant |
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| 12:53.19 | enouf | pekdaniel: IINM, AT&T and Sprint own all the infrastructure |
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| 12:53.40 | asg | pekdaniel: for pay-per-card, you may look at T-Mobile also |
| 12:53.46 | enouf | pekdaniel: any provider that uses/leases from their lines should have wide coverage |
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| 12:54.20 | pekdaniel | thx |
| 12:54.42 | enouf | pekdaniel: might ask in ##linux, or even #defocus, or #debain-offtopic? |
| 12:54.45 | chomwitt | Sorry for repeating. But why '$dpkg --list' outputs strange entries with 'un' and version:none and description:none ? |
| 12:55.14 | asg | chomwitt: 'un' == uninstalled and so the version and description are unknown by dpkg at that time |
| 12:55.15 | enouf | chomwitt: un == U + N , read the header ;-) |
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| 12:55.40 | slept | I did an install of lenny last december which i used till week ago, of course I did all the updates so the software should have been the same as my current installation. On the current installation the problem started to occur on a regular basis - the xserver trying to restart ending up in a server lockup - once a day at least. The other thing is that the only way to get X working again is a reboot. Which I finfd extremely starnge. |
| 12:55.49 | slept | strange |
| 12:56.00 | enouf | slept: so - you recently reinstalled from scratch? |
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| 12:56.06 | slept | yes |
| 12:56.06 | jkp | how are you supposed to read a doc that is tar'd? cpio and pipe it to cat? |
| 12:56.20 | enouf | slept: why did you remove/overwrite your last install? |
| 12:56.25 | slept | jkp, zless or zcat |
| 12:57.00 | jkp | slept: thanks! |
| 12:57.01 | enouf | jkp: well, tar files need untarring/unpacking ;-) |
| 12:57.21 | enouf | but .gz you can use as mentioned |
| 12:57.32 | slept | enouf, the idea was to get rid of tons of sofware which i installed over months , old config files and to check out how a fresh lenny install would work. |
| 12:57.34 | enouf | jkp: cpio is not tar |
| 12:57.53 | enouf | slept: ok - gotcha |
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| 12:59.25 | chomwitt | asg: why dpkg --list 'glib*' would output 'glibc-doc' an 'un'installed package but dpkg --list wont ? |
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| 13:00.41 | slept | enouf good thing is that bootup speeded up by something like 30 % ( no measurement taken) and that my wlan light is working now ( iwl3945 issue) |
| 13:01.00 | enouf | chomwitt: how about "dpkg --list | grep glib" ? |
| 13:01.26 | enouf | slept: righto - so how about that dmesg? |
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| 13:02.27 | chomwitt | enouf: i get different results.. |
| 13:02.47 | wols_ | hmm.. maybe I should look into bootchart fur for kicks |
| 13:03.11 | slept | http://pastebin.com/d3a4f765d |
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| 13:04.24 | Sisco | http://rafb.net/p/B7qqrb92.html |
| 13:04.26 | Sisco | what is wrong? |
| 13:04.32 | itchi_ | Hi, i installed the kernel 2.6.26-1 and the system don't boot as expected anymore. Just after grub, it starting spawning many stuff at the console and it stay there. It's unreadable as this goes ways to fast :-s Are there any know issues with the latest kernel on Lenny? |
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| 13:04.54 | fairway | hi |
| 13:05.03 | fairway | for when is openoffice 3.0 final scheduled? |
| 13:05.24 | itchi_ | All kernels up to 2.6.24 works ok. I discovered that if i add the acpi=off to the .26 it boots, but system is very slow and mouse isn't working |
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| 13:05.43 | jkp | what is considered the most stable kernel to work with atm on debian? |
| 13:06.08 | jkp | im getting lots of SATA related messages in the logs |
| 13:06.08 | YurY_9 | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7714722/ |
| 13:06.20 | itchi_ | jkp: .18 if you are on stable |
| 13:06.32 | jkp | that appear to be related to my issue with the raid: it seems that it has encountered an issue and downed the disks during the checkl |
| 13:06.33 | wols_ | jkp: and if your hardware is supported by it |
| 13:06.36 | jkp | Emask 0x3 (HSM violation) is repeated |
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| 13:06.44 | slept | enouf might this be related to the problem : process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT ? Since skype was running during all the crashes which occured - I know that its not in debian - and i wouldn't use it if I hadn't to (I hate it, but can't change other peoples habbits ) |
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| 13:07.07 | jkp | itchi_: ok, im on lenny beta, but i think maybe i need to step back to an earlier kernel |
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| 13:07.16 | itchi_ | Didn't find anythings on reportbug that may be related to my problem :-( |
| 13:07.22 | jkp | i think i was working with later ones to try and get newer sata stuff working |
| 13:07.29 | enouf | slept: crap, i really wanted /var/log/dmesg, but whatever, i can see lines 385-387 look ok - i'm not sure what your issue is - Do you notice it happens only AFTER you go in/out of sleep/suspend/hibernate? |
| 13:07.32 | itchi_ | jkp: Which card is it? |
| 13:07.44 | itchi_ | jkp: And what errors do you get? |
| 13:07.53 | enouf | slept: well, try killing skype for a while ;-) |
| 13:07.53 | jkp | Adaptec something |
| 13:08.03 | jkp | hand onm, just finding model |
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| 13:08.14 | enouf | itchi_: !! |
| 13:08.17 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:08.22 | itchi_ | enouf: !! ;-) |
| 13:08.24 | jkp | itchi_: Adaptec AAR-1225SA PCI Express x1 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller |
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| 13:08.30 | jkp | and the errors are as follows |
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| 13:08.35 | melnik | Hi, I have etch , and wont to upgrade some singles packages like cups/hplip lenny , can I somehow to explain to apt-get this ? |
| 13:08.37 | GermanG | morning |
| 13:08.41 | itchi_ | jkp: I can tell that 00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237A SATA 2-Port Controller (rev 80) is working :-) |
| 13:08.53 | jkp | itchi_: http://rafb.net/p/TUcvPf85.html |
| 13:08.53 | asg | melnik: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 13:09.06 | jkp | itchi_: take a look at what happened at about 09:38 |
| 13:09.10 | itchi_ | Hell, i'm at 1024x768 |
| 13:09.11 | melnik | thanks |
| 13:09.17 | jkp | ...res ea/23:02:02:00:00/00:00:00:20:ea/00 Emask 0x3 (HSM violation) |
| 13:09.19 | jkp | etc |
| 13:09.22 | jkp | repeared |
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| 13:09.26 | jkp | *repeated |
| 13:09.42 | enouf | ugh |
| 13:09.46 | jkp | ive searched for other people with the issue, people seem to concur that it could be a bug in recent kernels |
| 13:10.02 | jkp | but im unsure...however, i think this is clearly related to why my raid check died |
| 13:10.03 | enouf | jkp: just a guess, but try booting with the pci=nommconf option myabe |
| 13:10.13 | jkp | enouf: what does that do? |
| 13:10.18 | itchi_ | jkp: It jump from 1.5 Gbps to 3.0 Gbps ?? |
| 13:10.39 | jkp | itchi_: where? |
| 13:10.43 | jkp | itchi_: this is the other thing |
| 13:10.47 | GermanG | anyone from Argentina? |
| 13:10.53 | slept | enouf, /var/log/dmesg would be http://pastebin.com/dc13622e. No I didn't do any hibernate suspend sleep at all till now - but an the old install even that was working fine |
| 13:11.06 | itchi_ | jkp: Starting at 57 |
| 13:11.10 | jkp | since im only getting a max of 120mbps reads, i wonder if i shouldnt slow it down to 1.5Gps |
| 13:11.27 | itchi_ | jkp: Set the jumper to run at 1.5 and check?? |
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| 13:11.29 | asg | chomwitt: dpkg --list foo* will cause your shell to expand the foo* glob and then look for those expansions in its list. The results may or may not match various things in the output of dpkg -l |
| 13:11.36 | jkp | itchi_: yeah, it looks like it tried to slow down the interface |
| 13:11.48 | jkp | itchi_: yeah, this was one og the things i thought...how can i do that? |
| 13:12.05 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L1463 (it disables use of PCIe Memory Map being used for configuring PCI slots/resources) |
| 13:12.14 | itchi_ | jkp: On that HDD's you may put a jumper |
| 13:12.18 | itchi_ | the* |
| 13:12.23 | jkp | itchi_: ah :( |
| 13:12.29 | jkp | is there no way to do it in SW? |
| 13:12.49 | itchi_ | jkp: Well, try first *hard*, as you got some issues ... |
| 13:13.05 | jkp | hmmm - not sure ihave any jumpers around |
| 13:13.19 | itchi_ | jkp: I dunno what the problem is heh, you may check and eliminate some doubts |
| 13:13.31 | asg | chomwitt: the dpkg-query(1) manpage has more info |
| 13:13.32 | jkp | i'm assuming that wouldnt actually slow me down anyway...let me post a speed test for you and you can see what you think |
| 13:14.48 | jkp | itchi_: http://rafb.net/p/MqeWrt19.html |
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| 13:15.03 | jkp | i get that using hdparm to test my raid |
| 13:15.11 | jkp | so do you think going to 1.5 is going to slow me down? |
| 13:15.16 | itchi_ | jkp: You are already on 1.5 heh |
| 13:15.21 | jkp | :) |
| 13:15.23 | itchi_ | jkp: wait |
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| 13:15.47 | jkp | yeah, i dont think its going to affect me...im certainly not seeing 3Gpks speeds |
| 13:16.07 | jkp | but so i read, its very difficult to get those speeds with the hardware i have |
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| 13:16.13 | chomwitt | asg: i'm reading them... |
| 13:16.15 | itchi_ | jkp: http://rafb.net/p/xUFxgX37.html This is a raid0 |
| 13:16.32 | jkp | i have 4x 1TB SATA drives on a SATA 3Gps interface, using a port multiplier |
| 13:16.48 | DocMAX | is /var/log/auth the log which shows me if an internet-user is trying to access my system? |
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| 13:17.10 | jkp | itchi_: right which is slightly better than mine, but not 3Gbps |
| 13:17.31 | jkp | enouf: what lead you to make the guess about using that kernel param? |
| 13:17.51 | chomwitt | asg: i dont get it. i quoted 'glibc*' .Why i get uninstalled packages as output.. |
| 13:18.17 | wols_ | chomwitt: you don't. they are probably status "rc" |
| 13:18.20 | jkp | atm, the only kernel param i use is edd=off |
| 13:18.45 | chomwitt | wols_: i see status 'un' |
| 13:18.46 | unixSnob | any recommendations for personal finance software? I don't like gnucash, and kmymoney seems to be for KDE (not sure if it would work on gnome) |
| 13:18.58 | jkp | itchi_: is there a way to reduce the speed in sw for a quick test? |
| 13:19.04 | wols_ | chomwitt: so it's not installed. read the status flag meanings |
| 13:19.04 | itchi_ | jkp: I don't know |
| 13:19.16 | wols_ | jkp: maybe hdparm? |
| 13:19.18 | jkp | itchi_: getting into the cab is quite a problem and im pretty sure i have no jumpers :/ |
| 13:19.18 | DocMAX | is /var/log/auth the log which shows me if an internet-user is trying to access my system? |
| 13:19.34 | itchi_ | jkp: Seems that it is possible as the kernel can/try to do it ... |
| 13:20.32 | itchi_ | jkp: On my hdd's there the "space" to add this jumper, but right, the jumper isn't delivered with the hdd :-s And these are some very little jumpers |
| 13:20.47 | jkp | y, i think im in the same boat |
| 13:20.58 | chomwitt | wols_: but why i dont get them in 'dpkg --list' ? |
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| 13:22.57 | itchi_ | ah sh*t, why is the linux-kbuild-2.6.22 not available anymore? |
| 13:23.15 | itchi_ | I can't install the linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 :-s |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | because that kernel isn't in debian anymore |
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| 13:24.22 | abrotman | itchi_: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:24.22 | liable | wtf are all the .sol files that flashplugin keeps in .macromedia? theres a ton of them from old sites i must have watched flash video on.. |
| 13:24.22 | itchi_ | abrotman: the .26 won't boot up my system :-( |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | liable: shit outta luck ? |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | itchi_: the .22 isn't supported |
| 13:24.38 | enouf | jkp: just some prior experience with others |
| 13:24.43 | liable | abrotman: thats what i am trying to get an answer i think |
| 13:25.48 | itchi_ | well hell, the question: why isn't the .26 booting up :-p |
| 13:26.05 | wols_ | itchi_: /msg dpkg snd |
| 13:26.07 | wols_ | itchi_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:26.08 | enouf | liable: the NSA needs to know what you watch |
| 13:26.09 | itchi_ | Or maybe, how do i start troubleshooting this |
| 13:26.22 | chomwitt | wols_: i did a search and someone explained it by 'it will also list the package that not install but available in dpkg cache' |
| 13:26.35 | liable | enouf: i think they must be flash adds actually. |
| 13:26.46 | wols_ | chomwitt: they expleinad bullshit. read the status flags meaning |
| 13:26.54 | enouf | liable: most trackers are hidden in ads |
| 13:27.04 | jkp | enouf: i found this in the log later on ata1.03: NCQ disabled due to excessive errors |
| 13:27.15 | jkp | some people are suggesting that some disks need to be NCQ blacklisted |
| 13:27.21 | enouf | jkp: seems like a symptom |
| 13:27.21 | jkp | im using a SAMSUNG HD103UJ |
| 13:27.42 | liable | ads |
| 13:27.45 | jkp | would you try your idea first or disabling NCQ? |
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| 13:27.48 | enouf | jkp: well, if the disks support NCQ you should use it |
| 13:27.52 | jkp | they do |
| 13:28.02 | jkp | according to hdparm |
| 13:28.03 | jkp | * NOP cmd |
| 13:28.07 | jkp | oops :) |
| 13:28.12 | enouf | but maybe that Controller driver / Chipset has issues |
| 13:28.16 | jkp | * Native Command Queueing (NCQ) |
| 13:28.19 | itchi_ | wols_: heh, even there it's. all appart the 686 |
| 13:28.27 | enouf | see linux-ata.org |
| 13:28.54 | wols_ | itchi_: does 2.6.24 work? |
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| 13:29.20 | jkp | im using 01:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Device 0244 (rev 01) (prog-if 01) |
| 13:29.27 | jkp | sata_sil24 |
| 13:29.31 | itchi_ | wols_: This worked as expected, but isn't available anymore. This is now a fresh install. Have set new hdd's |
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| 13:29.53 | wols_ | itchi_: it's available. etch has it |
| 13:30.07 | wols_ | itchi_: it's the etchnhalf kernel |
| 13:30.14 | itchi_ | wols_: Ah, Lenny here, or i can sdn it |
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| 13:30.33 | enouf | jkp: you showed VIA8237 earlier, no? |
| 13:30.42 | enouf | sata_sil .. ugh |
| 13:30.42 | wols_ | yes he did |
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| 13:31.12 | jkp | did i? i have two SATA interfaces |
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| 13:31.18 | jkp | only one has a port multipler that will work |
| 13:31.24 | jkp | one is the inbuild Intel ICH9 |
| 13:31.30 | asg | chomwitt: the dpkg database also remembers packages you have installed previously but since removed. It is likely these that are showing up as 'un' |
| 13:31.31 | jkp | and the other is the Adaptec interface |
| 13:31.34 | enouf | jkp: which controller are you trying to use? your Motherboard's onboard crap? or your PCIe x1 Expansion Card crap? |
| 13:31.35 | jkp | which seems to run on that driver |
| 13:31.43 | jkp | the PCIe |
| 13:31.51 | jkp | enouf: one thing i read is this: |
| 13:31.55 | jkp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.03 | jkp | in short |
| 13:32.03 | jkp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.05 | enouf | jkp: did you see the site i mentioned? |
| 13:32.13 | jkp | enouf: yeah, im there |
| 13:32.22 | Decretum | NCQ + sata_nv = big propblem. |
| 13:32.27 | jkp | how can i tell what brand the PMP is at the other end? |
| 13:32.31 | jkp | Decretum: really? |
| 13:32.39 | itchi_ | wols_: none of the 686 headers are there on the sdn, is this normal? BTW i have some Core 2. Should i install other than 686? |
| 13:32.42 | Decretum | or better saying.. NCQ+ sata_nv + HITACHI drives = HUGE PROBLEM. |
| 13:32.42 | jkp | Decretum: you know this through experience? should i just disable it |
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| 13:33.01 | jkp | Decretum: im using Samsung drives |
| 13:33.05 | Decretum | jkp, i had a big issue, kernel panic @ startup, correct? |
| 13:33.08 | jkp | but im wondering if this is the same kind of thing |
| 13:33.21 | jkp | Decretum: no, mine is putting lots of errors in the log and then eventually disabling NCQ |
| 13:33.29 | jkp | (after a long period of these messaegs) |
| 13:33.31 | jkp | it runs ok |
| 13:33.32 | wols_ | itchi_: 686 is the right one. dunno about headers. maybe install the "Normal" one? |
| 13:33.36 | Decretum | hum, if you want to disable ncq.. just do this |
| 13:33.55 | itchi_ | wols_: I thought it was the 686 for the headers, will install the 386 |
| 13:35.01 | enouf | itchi_: i386 ARCH offers many -header versions, -486 is one. -686 is another, you want -686 for all your x86_32 needs ;-) |
| 13:35.43 | itchi_ | enouf: Well, give it me then :-p Don't find it in the archives :-( |
| 13:35.50 | chomwitt | asg: so in doing the expression evaluation it searches that 'old stuff?' but in the simple dpkg --list command doesnt . is that sane behavior? sounds like a bug |
| 13:35.53 | enouf | itchi_: -686 means atleast a set of MMX instructions the even the P-Pro has and uses ;-) |
| 13:36.03 | Decretum | jkp, can I pm you with the solution? |
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| 13:36.17 | jkp | Decretum: sure |
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| 13:36.22 | enouf | itchi_: we're talking circa 1997 here ;-P |
| 13:36.51 | itchi_ | enouf: Oldies stuff is nice :-p |
| 13:36.58 | enouf | haha |
| 13:37.03 | asg | chomwitt: per the manpage, dpkg -l just looks at /var/lib/dpkg/status, nothing else |
| 13:37.30 | jkp | Decretum: thanks dude |
| 13:37.37 | Decretum | no problem. |
| 13:37.38 | asg | chomwitt: but excludes packages marked 'purge' |
| 13:37.41 | jkp | its so darn confusing all the possible problems |
| 13:37.46 | jkp | not sure where to go really :/ |
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| 13:38.08 | Decretum | echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/queue_depth (to disable ncq) |
| 13:38.17 | enouf | jkp: the linux-ata site shows you how to disable ncq - that's why i sent you there |
| 13:38.37 | enouf | .. sigh |
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| 13:39.00 | enouf | anyway, add that to your sysctl.conf |
| 13:39.00 | chomwitt | asg: i think i get it know. one last question, where is that 'old installed' information is kept? |
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| 13:39.31 | enouf | chomwitt: strace the command |
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| 13:39.50 | fietsbel | hej guys |
| 13:39.50 | itchi_ | Got all the .24 stuff from sdn, installing and will see :-o |
| 13:39.58 | jkp | enouf: thanks, im just reading about other possible conflicts with these drives and this card |
| 13:40.07 | asg | chomwitt: in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:40.13 | fietsbel | I was just working on my box, coming to the conclusion someone was trying to install a rootkit... I gave it an immediate shutdown....any way to find out what the bastard did? |
| 13:40.13 | enouf | itchi_: yo go girl! :-P |
| 13:40.14 | itchi_ | 47.2kB/s nice :-s |
| 13:40.28 | Decretum | fietsbel, read logs? |
| 13:41.02 | fietsbel | is it possible for a rootkit to create an account for ssh? via www...? |
| 13:41.07 | fietsbel | when he got files on the webserver |
| 13:41.13 | asg | fietsbel: boot from a livecd or rescue cd so the filesystems are not remounted rw and no processes or kernels are running. Then investigate. |
| 13:41.14 | enouf | itchi_: ugh - that looks like the status bar when i use konq on my 2MB/sec connection .. sigh |
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| 13:41.50 | itchi_ | enouf: Yeah, it's the sdn that is very slow, anyway nice to get some oldies stuff ;-) |
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| 13:42.29 | enouf | fietsbel: a small cd you can use is grml.org small, use forensic boot option -there are others designed for this as well - autopsy maybe and such |
| 13:42.56 | fietsbel | what a fucking wankers who do this... |
| 13:43.00 | fietsbel | sorry for the languge |
| 13:43.23 | fietsbel | I saw a file called scan2.zip ....ever heard of it? |
| 13:43.26 | jkp | will i see a big performance hit if i disable NCQ? |
| 13:43.31 | fietsbel | and he seems to have extraced that zip also |
| 13:43.48 | enouf | jkp: only if it was working correctly prior :-P |
| 13:43.51 | fietsbel | there was a textfile also...with somelthing like rootkit owns yu |
| 13:43.58 | Pavlz | how backup from shell ? |
| 13:45.04 | chomwitt | asg: i did a full search in /var/lib/dpkg dir and there is nowhere information about glibc-doc's past. just the info that some packages sugest it. |
| 13:45.55 | chomwitt | enouf: thanks for the tip. i'll try it , but i'm little unexpierenced in it's use. |
| 13:46.02 | asg | chomwitt: it is possible it's taking that information from Suggests: |
| 13:46.49 | enouf | asg: i was thinking, is it possible the various main/contrib/non-free might have something to do with it? dunno |
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| 13:47.08 | fietsbel | I guess the best way to reverse this rootkit is a complete reinstall.... |
| 13:47.34 | aliases123_ | fietsbel: you got owned ? |
| 13:47.34 | enouf | indeed - see if rkhunter, chkrootkit finds it |
| 13:47.43 | itchi_ | brb, rebooting to the oldie .24 |
| 13:48.09 | aliases123_ | yeah, get a copy of the files in question see what happens / if they get flagged. |
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| 13:48.52 | jkp | enouf: im using 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 13:49.01 | jkp | do you think its worth going back to older kernels? |
| 13:49.21 | jkp | (i have a feeling this was the first that recognised all drives on the other side of the PM properly though...) |
| 13:49.31 | enouf | jkp: not really |
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| 13:49.56 | jkp | enouf: lastly, which to do first, disable NCQ or try the kernel param you suggested? |
| 13:50.12 | enouf | jkp: support for libata, etc only gets better/fixed in newer kernels, from AFAICT |
| 13:50.26 | jkp | enouf: yeah, makes sense |
| 13:50.36 | jkp | which leads me to wonder if compiling something even newer might help |
| 13:51.14 | enouf | jkp: well - that kernel param, and even various others could be helpful - but now i know you're using amd64, also see /Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
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| 13:52.13 | enouf | jkp: however, i really haven't been following all your details, and haven't seen your pastebins, so ... |
| 13:52.33 | jkp | enouf: would you mind casting your eye over the real problem paste |
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| 13:52.45 | jkp | its the log that has pretty much all the gory details in |
| 13:52.47 | enouf | jkp: my eye sucks this morning ;-) |
| 13:52.56 | enouf | jkp: i know - i |
| 13:52.59 | jkp | http://rafb.net/p/Q3C9Tz12.html |
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| 13:53.08 | itchi_ | Cool, back at 1280x1024 |
| 13:53.16 | enouf | jkp: i know - i've seen quite a few - i'm just not sure what's the best course of action ;-) |
| 13:53.27 | enouf | !win itchi_ |
| 13:53.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, itchi_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:53.36 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 13:53.36 | dpkg | i guess \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 13:53.46 | itchi_ | Well, now the hardest part, that .26 kernel trouble :-) |
| 13:54.07 | jkp | interesting |
| 13:54.08 | jkp | failed to recover PMP, retrying in 5 secs |
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| 14:09.12 | tinctorius | http://paste-it.net/public/l3955bd/ |
| 14:09.24 | tinctorius | Gives "ERROR: reverse checking failed." for each protocol. |
| 14:09.33 | tinctorius | Is getservbyport broken in Debian? |
| 14:10.57 | jkp | enouf: can you make any sense of this? |
| 14:10.57 | jkp | http://rafb.net/p/oJFX8442.html |
| 14:11.06 | jkp | i tried adding a kernel paramt to force SATA to 1.5 |
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| 14:11.24 | jkp | seems one of the links comes up at 1.5, its really hard to tell though |
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| 14:19.08 | danners_ | how can i load a kernelmodule with parameters? |
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| 14:19.33 | avu | danners_, modprobe module parameters |
| 14:19.37 | avu | danners_, see man modprobe |
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| 14:20.11 | danners_ | avu: and if i want that after every boot? |
| 14:20.21 | avu | danners_, use /etc/modules |
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| 14:20.39 | avu | danners_, (see man 5 modules) |
| 14:20.57 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.05 | avu | /etc/modules is much easier to use if you just want a given module with given parameters to be loaded at boot time |
| 14:22.32 | avu | of course, if the module is already loaded by some other mechanism and you just want do add parameters, you'd have to mess with /Etc/modprobe.d/foo, yes |
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| 14:24.23 | danners_ | avu: ok thanks |
| 14:26.02 | wasynyt | does anyone know a way to rewrite partition table to asus eee's ssd |
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| 14:26.21 | wasynyt | it seems that i got mine corrupted :( |
| 14:27.57 | fietsbel | guys, is it possible to like automatically update all files on my debian...to reverse what a rootkit 'could have done' ? |
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| 14:31.17 | itchi_ | fietsbel: A reinstall ?? |
| 14:31.19 | asg | fietsbel: you are better off backing up your data and re-installing from scratch since you can never be sure that something somewhere isn't still lurking. |
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| 14:32.47 | asg | fietsbel: in the future, you should install some form of HIDS such as tripwire or AIDE which would have helped you determine which files were changed. |
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| 14:42.13 | Beijo | somebody with skillz in shellscripting there? |
| 14:42.48 | avu | !anybody |
| 14:42.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 14:42.54 | asg | Beijo: #bash is the place to be |
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| 14:43.14 | Beijo | kk |
| 14:43.17 | Beijo | thanx |
| 14:43.31 | jelly-home | though "skillz" might be laughed at, there |
| 14:44.53 | cahoot | laughed? |
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| 14:45.59 | jelly-home | the spelling thereof, yes |
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| 14:47.29 | jkp | hrm, anyone got a dns server address for me? my ISP's seems to have gone down :/ |
| 14:48.16 | asg | jkp: opendns.com in a pinch |
| 14:48.31 | Kovensky | asg: he needs a DNS to access opendns.com :) |
| 14:48.37 | jkp | aye :) |
| 14:48.57 | asg | jkp: 208.67.222.222 |
| 14:49.00 | muddd | i reinstalled debian with gnome this time and my .bash_profile wont set my PATH when I open an xterm window, whats up with that? |
| 14:49.07 | jkp | thanks asg |
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| 14:49.28 | tralala | muddd, you have to tell xterm to start a login shell |
| 14:49.52 | muddd | hmm, in xfce4 i had it set up that way and it just worked out that way |
| 14:50.22 | asg | muddd: if you use bash, set your path in .bashrc |
| 14:50.23 | mmlj4 | gnome? there's your problem |
| 14:50.36 | muddd | ok i will try both ty |
| 14:51.02 | muddd | yeah well i had xfce and it was all sleek n stuff but now I'm just wanting more eye candy so I can tempt windows users to convert |
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| 14:51.57 | enouf | !evangelize muddd |
| 14:52.05 | muddd | eh? |
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| 14:52.27 | muddd | ah heh |
| 14:52.29 | enouf | we don't need no stinkin windows weenies |
| 14:52.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:52.49 | muddd | yeah i'm trying to convert the world heh |
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| 14:53.01 | avu | well, don't. :) |
| 14:53.17 | enouf | i had a friend called savetheworld - he's now gone :-P |
| 14:53.34 | muddd | aw why not i'm tired of removing viruses from their computers |
| 14:53.48 | enouf | are you prepared to 'disappear'? :-P |
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| 14:53.58 | muddd | poor guy :( noooes! |
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| 14:54.55 | enouf | you'll be spending more time on unravelling their accumulated ignorance |
| 14:55.54 | muddd | ah i see |
| 14:56.21 | jetscreamer | windows, like any os, is just as good as it's admin |
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| 14:56.46 | jetscreamer | out of the bvox, ms is the admin, so... |
| 14:56.49 | jetscreamer | box |
| 14:56.51 | jkp | question: is there a later kernel that 2.6.26 to try for debian? |
| 14:57.09 | tralala | jkp, question: why? |
| 14:57.11 | enouf | most linux users whom also use windows are much better at it than their 'window user only' counterparts |
| 14:57.11 | avu | jkp, there is no later kernel than 2.6.26 period |
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| 14:57.28 | jkp | tralala: i want to use a kernel option that doesnt appear to be in the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 14:57.32 | jkp | libata.force |
| 14:57.38 | jkp | i grep'd the sources for it but found nothing |
| 14:57.45 | enouf | avu: sure there are |
| 14:57.47 | avu | jkp, there are of course release candidates for .27 |
| 14:57.50 | avu | enouf, no. |
| 14:57.50 | jetscreamer | you can build anything from kernel.org |
| 14:57.59 | jkp | avu: ah, ok |
| 14:58.01 | enouf | avu: in -rc, yes |
| 14:58.14 | avu | enouf, yes. those are not released. |
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| 14:58.25 | enouf | who said anything about released? |
| 14:58.26 | jkp | avu: patch was here |
| 14:58.26 | jkp | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ide@vger.kernel.org/msg15454.html |
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| 14:58.41 | tralala | jkp, hmm this options sounds familar - I've also tried to used without a success in the past |
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| 14:59.02 | jkp | tralala: well, the patch is in for sure, but my sources dont have them in |
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| 14:59.11 | jkp | im running the 2.6.26 kernel in lenny's repos |
| 14:59.23 | jkp | so im guessing they were implemented post the tree im built against |
| 14:59.29 | enouf | jkp: go to wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 14:59.30 | jkp | so is there a later, rc2 deb anywhere? |
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| 14:59.31 | avu | enouf, using unreleased rc kernels is for people who do not need to ask about their existance in a channel like this :) |
| 14:59.37 | jkp | enouf: thanks |
| 14:59.44 | enouf | remember, you get to keep all the pieces jkp |
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| 14:59.56 | tralala | ah, I remember - thinkpad bay hotplug loses dma with ide-disk, so they recommend libata. It didn't work for me |
| 15:00.09 | enouf | avu: quite .. i concur - this is a test case though :-P |
| 15:00.18 | Gruelius | Hey guys, anything wrong with this crontab line?0 7 * * * root /var/www/tflux/html/bin/fluxcli.php stop-all |
| 15:00.47 | jkp | so , there is etch, sid, but no lenny |
| 15:01.46 | enouf | jkp: now, you're disappointing me with comments like that |
| 15:02.09 | Gruelius | nvm sorted |
| 15:02.35 | enouf | !customer |
| 15:02.35 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 15:02.38 | jkp | enouf: :) ok, so lenny is main? (im an ubuntu guy normally!) |
| 15:02.51 | enouf | !tell jkp -about releases |
| 15:03.17 | enouf | !tell jkp -about msg the bot |
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| 15:03.21 | jkp | enouf: thanks dude |
| 15:03.25 | enouf | np |
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| 15:04.18 | enouf | avu: i tend to like to give people willing to do the heavy lifting themselves, a bit more leeway ;-) |
| 15:04.23 | nohelphere | i am having issues with creatingm virtual network interfaces, |
| 15:04.38 | nohelphere | am i supposed to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add <interface>:<number> ? |
| 15:04.44 | nohelphere | and set an IP for it? |
| 15:04.54 | enouf | ifconfig eth0:0 192.x.x.x up |
| 15:05.11 | enouf | sure, you can also do that |
| 15:05.36 | enouf | but, the alias must be part of the same subnet |
| 15:05.43 | enouf | as the non-virtual |
| 15:06.55 | tralala | jkp, have you tried this patch: http://home-tj.org/files/libata-tj-stable/libata-tj-2.6.16.16-20060512.tar.bz2? |
| 15:07.03 | tralala | ops, sorry that's old |
| 15:07.13 | tralala | I took .16 for .26 |
| 15:07.39 | nohelphere | i have http://debian.pastebin.com/m1f7c389c for my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:07.48 | nohelphere | ifconfig -a does nto show eth3:* |
| 15:08.12 | nohelphere | it doens't bring up the aliased/virtuyal interfaces |
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| 15:09.22 | enouf | tralala: hi!, (just wanted to say hola) ;-) |
| 15:09.39 | tralala | uhm.. hi enouf |
| 15:09.46 | enouf | nohelphere: ls /sys/class/net |
| 15:10.02 | nohelphere | della:/home/b4/Unreal3.2.7# ls /sys/class/net |
| 15:10.02 | nohelphere | eth1 eth3 lo |
| 15:10.41 | enouf | nohelphere: now, what does your z25 or z70 file say about them? and - does eth3 even work? |
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| 15:10.53 | nohelphere | enouf, eth3 works |
| 15:10.54 | enouf | er, z25 or 70 |
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| 15:11.09 | jkp_ | hmmm - so should i try linux-image-2.6.27-rc7-amd64? |
| 15:11.16 | jkp_ | i thought there was no .27! |
| 15:11.24 | enouf | jkp_: stop |
| 15:11.32 | jkp_ | has stopped |
| 15:12.04 | enouf | it's a beta .. if you're scared - don't - but it's up to you - you can always reboot into your working kernel , IMHO |
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| 15:12.15 | jkp_ | enouf: aye, im not scared :) |
| 15:12.18 | nohelphere | hm |
| 15:12.23 | nohelphere | z25? |
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| 15:12.29 | nohelphere | doesn't sound fmailiar to em lawl |
| 15:12.32 | nohelphere | me* |
| 15:12.36 | enouf | !tell nohelphere -about z25 |
| 15:12.43 | jkp_ | enouf: i suppose there is a the chance it doesnt boot, worst case, i have to dig the server out of the cupboard |
| 15:12.56 | jkp_ | enouf: there doesnt seem to be a later, prebuilt .26 kernel though |
| 15:13.12 | enouf | remote booting brings with it many other considerations |
| 15:13.27 | jkp_ | installs |
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| 15:13.43 | teclo- | hello what's again the metapackage which means "a graphical system" ? |
| 15:13.54 | nohelphere | Xorg? |
| 15:14.00 | teclo- | no, no :) |
| 15:14.00 | nohelphere | or the DE? |
| 15:14.05 | enouf | !tasksel |
| 15:14.05 | dpkg | tasksel is, like, the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>. |
| 15:14.11 | teclo- | yes there is tasksel |
| 15:14.16 | nohelphere | should read mroe about debian |
| 15:14.30 | teclo- | I did install the kde-desktop metapackage |
| 15:14.39 | enouf | teclo-: there are a few ways to use tasksel, and a few ways to install a full DE |
| 15:14.50 | teclo- | but... there's no xserver-xorg... so what is the metapackge called "graphical system" in tasksel ? |
| 15:14.50 | enouf | !install kde |
| 15:14.50 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 15:15.08 | jkp_ | here goes nothing |
| 15:15.42 | enouf | teclo-: you forgot 'standard' |
| 15:15.58 | teclo- | enouf: prolly |
| 15:16.03 | enouf | teclo-: so install tasksel 'standard,kde-desktop=1' |
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| 15:16.18 | enouf | erm, wrong quotes, but ytou get the gist |
| 15:16.49 | jkp_ | Linux kvm-host 2.6.27-rc7-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 28 01:33:17 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux :) |
| 15:16.54 | enouf | teclo-: tasksel --list-tasks, then tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 15:18.01 | jkp_ | wonders if he should just run with the new kernel for a while now |
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| 15:18.44 | enouf | well. ... duh |
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| 15:19.10 | teclo- | okay :) thanks |
| 15:20.39 | jkp_ | enouf: i mean without trying to tweak libata to fix these issues |
| 15:20.44 | jkp_ | perhaps later code has fixed them already |
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| 15:21.23 | enouf | jkp_: now you're onto something :-) |
| 15:21.49 | enouf | jkp_: ever hear of BTS? how about changelogs? |
| 15:21.57 | jkp_ | runs away to rebuild kvm against his shinny new kernel |
| 15:22.01 | EmleyMoor | I do not appear to have mail coming in on the new setup |
| 15:22.12 | jkp_ | enouf: heh - ok i get the point :) im a programmer by day btw so the answer is yes |
| 15:22.24 | EmleyMoor | exim doesn't appear to be listening |
| 15:22.25 | enouf | !tell jkp -about apt-listchanges |
| 15:24.12 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: what happens if you start it via init script? |
| 15:24.33 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: did you check with netstat? |
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| 15:24.44 | EmleyMoor | wols_: It starts - can get you what ps shows if needed - it's running - will try netstat now |
| 15:25.11 | teclo- | okay I got I have to do tasksel --task-packages <task> but I don't know what tasks I need for a kde desktop and a working xserver-xorg: standard, desktop, kde, kde-desktop ? |
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| 15:25.42 | wols_ | !tell teclo- about install kde |
| 15:26.00 | EmleyMoor | No sign of 25 being listened on |
| 15:26.15 | wols_ | teclo-: tasksel is not necessary. install xorg with "xorg" |
| 15:26.19 | enouf | teclo-: desktop is mainly GNOME (default) IINM, but from the installer itself, the factoid told you |
| 15:26.22 | rotciv | hello, i wanted to know what version of debian i must have to get my Intel G31 GPU onboard working. |
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| 15:26.47 | wols_ | rotciv: etch not working? |
| 15:26.48 | enouf | teclo-: ofcourse once you have half, you can just install xorg now |
| 15:26.58 | rotciv | wols_, nop |
| 15:27.01 | EmleyMoor | netstat doesn't show anything listening on 25 |
| 15:27.07 | wols_ | rotciv: you can try etch |
| 15:27.18 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: does it show something else listening anywhere? |
| 15:27.20 | rotciv | wols_, i'm on etch |
| 15:27.26 | wols_ | erm, try lenny I mean |
| 15:27.35 | enouf | EmleyMoor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 15:27.44 | EmleyMoor | Yes, some ports are listened on |
| 15:27.46 | rotciv | wols_, mmm... |
| 15:27.56 | petemc | exim -bP local_interfaces |
| 15:28.03 | EmleyMoor | enouf: OK - will see if that helps |
| 15:28.03 | enouf | rotciv: wols does know more about the newer chipsets , so yeahh - lenny i guess |
| 15:28.20 | wols_ | enouf: g31 should actually work on etch IIRC |
| 15:28.32 | enouf | wols_: i suggested that on oftc, then sent him here for confirmation - oh ? |
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| 15:28.34 | rotciv | wols_, but i'm with an cpu 64b, it's just change to the official lenny repository? |
| 15:28.39 | rotciv | enouf, :) |
| 15:28.51 | wols_ | !tell rotciv about etch->lenny |
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| 15:29.00 | EmleyMoor | local_interfaces = <; myip;127.0.0.1 - that doesn't look quite right to me (myip is not a literal) |
| 15:29.26 | wols_ | euphidime: then it will listen. are you root when using netstat? |
| 15:29.27 | nohelphere | how do i set a kernel as the default by editing /boot/grub/menu/lst? |
| 15:29.37 | enouf | nohelphere: sure |
| 15:29.41 | enouf | menu.lst |
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| 15:30.09 | enouf | man grub if the comments in the file don't suffice nohelphere |
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| 15:30.12 | rotciv | wols_, u know what's the size of the upgrade? like 120MB? |
| 15:30.12 | wols_ | nohelphere: there is a setting default= |
| 15:30.19 | wols_ | !tell rotciv about u |
| 15:30.24 | nohelphere | eh wtf |
| 15:30.29 | nohelphere | it randomly loses networking |
| 15:30.36 | rotciv | you* |
| 15:30.36 | enouf | it? |
| 15:30.38 | wols_ | rotciv: depends what you have installed. can't be said beforehand. apt will tell you before it starts downloading tho |
| 15:30.42 | nohelphere | eth0 |
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| 15:30.46 | nohelphere | its the onboard card |
| 15:30.53 | EmleyMoor | I've reconfigured exim and still no listening |
| 15:30.55 | nohelphere | built-in-to-mobo |
| 15:31.15 | enouf | EmleyMoor: netstat -tunap as root says no? |
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| 15:31.50 | petemc | EmleyMoor: when it asks you what interfaces to listen on, leave it blank |
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| 15:31.55 | enouf | EmleyMoor: there are many other exim4 config settings, i only know that one ;-) man update-exim{TAB TAB} |
| 15:31.58 | itchi_ | Now that i may wait a few hours to transfer files. What's the best/optimal tools to sync data between hdd's and PC's? I'm using rsync now but whonder if there's a better and faster tool as this |
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| 15:32.12 | EmleyMoor | enouf: Nothing relevant from that netstat |
| 15:32.18 | enouf | ok |
| 15:32.21 | nohelphere | wait |
| 15:32.23 | EmleyMoor | petemc: OK, just a moment |
| 15:32.25 | nohelphere | i don't lose networking |
| 15:32.29 | enouf | also, i use lsof |
| 15:32.30 | nohelphere | it gets assigned a new IP |
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| 15:33.22 | enouf | itchi_: i like rsync - it's trustworthy - but nc might be faster ;-) |
| 15:33.29 | nohelphere | the thing is |
| 15:33.39 | nohelphere | i can NOT use a static IP setup |
| 15:33.48 | nohelphere | as i have a dynamic IP that the system rusdn on |
| 15:33.51 | nohelphere | and i use dmz for it |
| 15:33.52 | torrr | Hi |
| 15:34.01 | itchi_ | enouf: yeah, rsync saved me once when a HDD was dieing. Finally got all the needed data with it |
| 15:34.04 | EmleyMoor | Still not listening |
| 15:34.18 | itchi_ | Gona check for nc, never used it |
| 15:34.19 | nohelphere | my router assihgns it my external IP for tis IP as it has dmz enabled on it |
| 15:34.22 | nohelphere | i don't get it |
| 15:34.27 | nohelphere | is the router failing? |
| 15:34.32 | enouf | itchi_: nc == netcat |
| 15:34.42 | petemc | EmleyMoor: how are you checking if its listening? |
| 15:34.42 | nohelphere | or is the system tiself failing? |
| 15:34.55 | torrr | I try to understand what is a debian release. Is it the whole bundle of software packages? |
| 15:35.07 | EmleyMoor | petemc: With netstat, at least partly |
| 15:35.31 | nohelphere | hm |
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| 15:35.34 | nohelphere | thsi is weird |
| 15:35.37 | petemc | EmleyMoor: partly? |
| 15:35.39 | nohelphere | the router is giving it a local IP |
| 15:35.44 | nohelphere | when i tell it not to |
| 15:35.52 | EmleyMoor | petemc: that is one approach I am using |
| 15:35.58 | EmleyMoor | The other is "try it and see" |
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| 15:36.06 | petemc | EmleyMoor: whats the exact output of exim -bP local_interfaces |
| 15:36.09 | nohelphere | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:36.09 | nohelphere | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.16 | nohelphere | it can NOT be static |
| 15:36.19 | torrr | And if so, why isn't there a base that include linux OS stuff, and the packages versions are user selected? |
| 15:36.20 | EmleyMoor | local_interfaces = <; ::0 ; 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:36.20 | nohelphere | or stuff fails |
| 15:36.42 | petemc | EmleyMoor: so it should be listening |
| 15:37.11 | enouf | EmleyMoor: also try as root, lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
| 15:37.32 | nohelphere | ... |
| 15:37.39 | nohelphere | my router is statign they have a static IP |
| 15:38.11 | EmleyMoor | Not listed there either |
| 15:38.28 | enouf | EmleyMoor: virtual machine? virtual interfaces? |
| 15:38.45 | EmleyMoor | Real machine. Real interfaces |
| 15:38.55 | petemc | EmleyMoor: netstat -puant|grep exim |
| 15:38.56 | nohelphere | wow |
| 15:38.58 | enouf | beauty ;-) |
| 15:39.01 | nohelphere | my router is absolute crap |
| 15:39.18 | EmleyMoor | petemc: Nothing |
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| 15:39.37 | enouf | heh |
| 15:39.37 | petemc | EmleyMoor: as root |
| 15:39.42 | EmleyMoor | petemc: Nothing |
| 15:39.57 | nohelphere | i have dhcp enabled on one interface |
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| 15:40.03 | nohelphere | my router says its static |
| 15:40.13 | petemc | EmleyMoor: is exim running? |
| 15:40.22 | nohelphere | how else would it change the IP at random? |
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| 15:41.12 | EmleyMoor | petemc: I don't think exim itself is, though two ps entries are showing - will pastebin shortly |
| 15:41.24 | enouf | EmleyMoor: have you installed any other MTA? or something like sendmail, postfix, squirrelmail etc? |
| 15:41.30 | rotciv | it's about 700mb of upgrade, wols_, i download here with 30KBps, is it worth to upgrade? |
| 15:41.45 | EmleyMoor | enouf: Not knowingly |
| 15:41.51 | jkp_ | hmmm - i cant seem to write to /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action |
| 15:41.57 | jkp_ | "device or resource busy" |
| 15:42.05 | jkp_ | guesses he has hit a kernel bug |
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| 15:42.18 | itchi_ | rotciv: If you have some different debian computers, i should use apt-proxy |
| 15:42.32 | nohelphere | I DO NOT HAVE A STATIC ip SET UP |
| 15:42.33 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/18609 - the two entries from ps |
| 15:42.39 | nohelphere | and my router says i do |
| 15:42.40 | enouf | jkp_: it might require a correct/precise value .. or .. that's the incorrect file - i forget offhand |
| 15:42.44 | itchi_ | rotciv: Or some tools similar as this that keep the packages and may be used for other pc |
| 15:43.04 | rotciv | itchi_, i have only this one =/ |
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| 15:43.23 | enouf | jkp_: or - it is locked/busy .. |
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| 15:43.48 | AvK | hi |
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| 15:44.02 | AvK | i cant run my pendirve on debian :( |
| 15:44.11 | petemc | EmleyMoor: thats not how it shoudl look. what happens if you run exim -d -bd -q30m |
| 15:44.14 | enouf | rotciv: got a friend with a high speed connection? ;-) |
| 15:44.25 | AvK | but i could, before i remove kde |
| 15:44.28 | rotciv | enouf, nop |
| 15:44.41 | itchi_ | AvK: check dmesg and see if it's detected |
| 15:44.43 | AvK | can you tell me what i have to install if i want back pendrive work |
| 15:44.48 | enouf | rotciv: i know how painfully long that will take, but sigh - do it once, get it over with ;-) |
| 15:44.58 | rotciv | enouf, i just wanted to know if it's really worth, if beryl, compiz and all that stuff will work. the time to download it i have ;) |
| 15:45.13 | jkp_ | enouf: maybe it is, but by what i have no idea |
| 15:45.18 | jkp_ | im just trying to run the checkarray script |
| 15:45.18 | EmleyMoor | Ah - it seems to be making a panic on accessing the log |
| 15:45.38 | enouf | rotciv: that i can't answer b/c i don't use compiz (i believe beryl is merged in to compiz? or resplit off again?) |
| 15:45.49 | enouf | rotciv: see #compiz-fusion |
| 15:46.20 | AvK | itchi_, not detected |
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| 15:46.36 | itchi_ | AvK: Modules loaded? |
| 15:46.37 | rotciv | enouf, alright. just one more question: after tje upgrade it configures itself or i have to configure kernel and everything from the beginning? |
| 15:46.44 | enouf | jkp_: righto - well, you're on your own now ;-) (atleast, that's as much as i know - im not up to date on all new things) |
| 15:46.53 | EmleyMoor | That's better |
| 15:46.58 | itchi_ | AvK: BTW, try some other ports on the computer |
| 15:47.11 | AvK | itchi_, i tried |
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| 15:47.25 | roadfish | how to I record a copy of audio that is playing through my soundcard? Ideally, I'd like a command-line operation. I was trying "asound" but, so far, haven't figured out what options I should pass in. |
| 15:47.29 | enouf | rotciv: the kernel is an entire image, and it'll self-install and run update-grub , etc .. everything, should be automated if all goes well |
| 15:47.32 | AvK | i have else usb disc and it works |
| 15:47.44 | itchi_ | AvK: eh, the "windows" way: And after a reboot? |
| 15:48.02 | AvK | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.17 | itchi_ | AvK: Does this work on another comp? |
| 15:48.28 | rotciv | enouf, great! thank you :D |
| 15:48.29 | AvK | i think i must install samthing, but i do know what |
| 15:48.33 | AvK | yes it wors |
| 15:48.35 | rotciv | thank you wols_ |
| 15:48.36 | AvK | works* |
| 15:48.38 | enouf | roadfish: big NOTE; the newer Xorg is also automated now - see man xrandr, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is basically defunct as of lenny, BUT you can edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually if necessary |
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| 15:48.44 | rotciv | i gotta go, cya... |
| 15:48.47 | enouf | erm rotciv |
| 15:48.48 | itchi_ | AvK: Compare the loaded modules with both comps |
| 15:48.57 | enouf | rotciv: not roadfish |
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| 15:49.25 | AvK | itchi_, i mean that the other comp is a windows |
| 15:49.34 | itchi_ | ah :-( |
| 15:50.01 | roadfish | is there an audio channel that would be more appropriate for my audio questions? |
| 15:50.09 | itchi_ | AvK: Chances are that this is just a question of module to load |
| 15:50.10 | AvK | that is since i remove the kde |
| 15:50.12 | jkp_ | enouf: it appears that when lvm is using the array i can no longer stop it...which makes sense |
| 15:50.28 | jkp_ | but i wonder how it worked before...that does seem like a bug |
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| 15:50.32 | itchi_ | AvK: You are sure you don't see anythings related in dmesg? |
| 15:50.38 | enouf | jkp_: you left that little piece of lvm usage out of it earlier - way to go ;-) |
| 15:50.41 | AvK | itchi_, yes |
| 15:50.44 | itchi_ | AvK: You mean that kde mount this automatically? |
| 15:51.06 | enouf | jkp_: no idea - and i don't care at this point - might be a bug - look around |
| 15:51.12 | itchi_ | Don't use kde here, got infected by fluxbox :-p |
| 15:51.20 | EmleyMoor | keeps an eye on his exim log until he is sure it all works again |
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| 15:51.30 | AvK | itchi, i have two disc, too |
| 15:51.31 | AvK | usb disc |
| 15:51.32 | EmleyMoor | Permissions seem to have become a bit hosed |
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| 15:51.37 | AvK | and it works normally |
| 15:52.02 | petemc | EmleyMoor: you're using some non stardard setup, arent you? |
| 15:52.35 | nohelphere | hm |
| 15:52.44 | nohelphere | i just need to set the default kernel to boot |
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| 15:52.50 | nohelphere | does the order its in matter? |
| 15:53.20 | EmleyMoor | petemc: It was a beautiful setup on the old machine - a little non-standard perhaos |
| 15:53.23 | EmleyMoor | perhaps |
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| 15:56.31 | earthian | Hello. |
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| 15:59.04 | enouf | !tell AvK -about usb-storage |
| 15:59.15 | enouf | !tell AvK -about usbmount |
| 15:59.30 | earthian | Today I have tried to use gsynaptics program that lets me configure my laptop touchpad, however it needs some settings to be entered into the xorg.cong. Problem is that I have no idea where to enter the settings ( 'SHMConfig' 'true') in the xorg.conf. It does not have touchpad input device and reconfiguration of xserver-xorg does not make it...in fact default config has so few settings in the xorg.conf.. |
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| 16:02.35 | nohelphere | ok |
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| 16:02.40 | nohelphere | openvz is being weird |
| 16:02.43 | nohelphere | or is it networking... |
| 16:02.52 | nohelphere | i signed a VE the IP 192.168.1.69 |
| 16:03.01 | nohelphere | and 192.168.1.69 goes to eth host NOT the VE |
| 16:03.12 | nohelphere | somethign is wrong |
| 16:03.34 | nohelphere | ill read the torubleshooting |
| 16:05.53 | AvK | enouf, thx |
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| 16:06.14 | AvK | should i restart comp before usbmount will run ? |
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| 16:06.44 | enouf | earthian: yes, lenny xorg and better are autoconfigured, so drxx no longer is useful, however, add manually any options you want - is man xorg.conf any help? |
| 16:07.16 | earthian | no, it just gives some basic guidelines... |
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| 16:07.37 | earthian | maybe there is some source on the net i could read? a google keyword could be helpfull too i think :) |
| 16:07.43 | earthian | .. as i am not english |
| 16:08.30 | cahoot | earthian: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Manual_Configuration |
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| 16:08.38 | itchi_ | earthian: Look on tuxmobile, i have some notes about this for my toshibat satellite A110-178 |
| 16:08.39 | enouf | earthian: otherwise dpkg -L gsynaptics and see the man pages and docs? |
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| 16:09.13 | enouf | earthian: 1152 lines is more than basic guidelines, IMO |
| 16:09.18 | nohelphere | wait |
| 16:09.27 | nohelphere | bridge it with eth physical interface ._. |
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| 16:10.22 | enouf | AvK: i don't think that |
| 16:10.27 | itchi_ | heh, how can i copy the url i'm viewing with w3m? |
| 16:10.28 | enouf | s necessary |
| 16:10.33 | nohelphere | oh wow |
| 16:10.39 | nohelphere | it is no longer dmz |
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| 16:10.45 | nohelphere | its back to 192.168.1.68 i guarantee |
| 16:11.20 | nohelphere | no |
| 16:11.22 | enouf | itchi_: use links2 and i can tell ya :-P |
| 16:11.23 | nohelphere | networkign went boom |
| 16:11.59 | itchi_ | enouf: bash: links2: command not found :-) |
| 16:12.05 | enouf | ... |
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| 16:12.11 | itchi_ | :-P |
| 16:12.13 | enouf | !installit |
| 16:12.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 16:12.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 16:12.20 | itchi_ | enouf: Yeah i know :-p |
| 16:12.28 | enouf | :-p |
| 16:12.38 | icy | hi, is there something similar to the gentoo glsa-check command? that checks for security problems with outdated packages |
| 16:13.13 | itchi_ | earthian: hold on |
| 16:13.18 | enouf | subscribe to d-d-a, and use apt-listbugs ? and update often |
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| 16:13.31 | dmoerner | icy, debsecan |
| 16:13.45 | tuxist | how can configure in svn to use pam for auth ? |
| 16:13.49 | enouf | erm, upgrade - but within your own release/suite/version |
| 16:13.53 | itchi_ | enouf: tell me now |
| 16:14.16 | enouf | itchi_: ESC > Copy URL location ;-) |
| 16:14.29 | enouf | itchi_: ESC > file > Copy URL location ;-) |
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| 16:15.04 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting there |
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| 16:15.17 | jkp_ | enouf: sorted, it seems to be because the raid was in read-only mode |
| 16:15.23 | enouf | itchi_: use links2 -g (yes, even in console - but setuid root to the binary) and you can use your mouse ;-) |
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| 16:15.33 | enouf | !tell itchi_ about links2 config |
| 16:16.11 | enouf | jkp_: ok |
| 16:16.12 | EmleyMoor | The main "public facing" thing I need to sort next is horde - and that could be - er - "fun" |
| 16:17.15 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 16:17.28 | EmleyMoor | Best thing to do is "nuke and pave" that part of the setup, I think |
| 16:17.35 | Ace2016_- | i need to test a surge protector, can i remount the filesystem as readonly and then test it? |
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| 16:17.51 | itchi_ | enouf: Hell, is this just some gfx in that console? |
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| 16:17.58 | itchi_ | tooo coool |
| 16:18.08 | enouf | itchi_: yep ;-) |
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| 16:18.25 | itchi_ | enouf: Thanks for this tip mate! |
| 16:18.38 | enouf | you bet ;-) |
| 16:18.51 | itchi_ | earthnative: Check if this help http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/setting_up_a_toshiba_satellite_a110-178#SettingUpTheTouchpad |
| 16:18.57 | itchi_ | wow :-) |
| 16:20.17 | nohelphere | umm wow |
| 16:20.19 | icy | dmoerner: thanks, that works well |
| 16:20.19 | enouf | itchi_: at the least review /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian and also note xlinks2 can be used as a symlink to fire up links2 -g in X |
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| 16:21.23 | enouf | dmoerner: how about making a quick factoid about debsecan? maybe? |
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| 16:22.13 | dmoerner | enouf, i will |
| 16:22.24 | enouf | dmoerner: gracias ;-) |
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| 16:23.26 | sneex | any reasons I can look to as to why logrotate isn't rotating some logs? |
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| 16:24.32 | alphanet | hello, do you know if you can add triggers ? when a package X gets upgraded, script Y is launched (e.g.: if linux-source-2.6.18 or the openvz patch gets updated, recompile and install the kernel; or at least send me a mail to do it) |
| 16:24.44 | dmoerner | !debsecan |
| 16:24.44 | dpkg | i heard debsecan is a program that reports security advisories against programs installed on the host, similar to gentoo's glsa-check. See http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/. |
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| 16:25.22 | dmoerner | alphanet, triggers are supported since dpkg 1.14.17, but i'm not sure if the interface is well documented. If you just want to recompile modules against a new kernel source, you should check out dkms |
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| 16:27.44 | alphanet | dmoerner: ok, I use a simple make-kpkg with right option to do it, so I probably don't need dkms; I will look into those dpkg triggers. However etch doesn't seem to have this dpkg version. |
| 16:27.53 | nohelphere | hm |
| 16:27.57 | nohelphere | i need easymac.sh |
| 16:28.06 | alphanet | dmoerner: thank you |
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| 16:29.35 | rdz | hi all. where is the version defined in a deb-package? i found the 'control' file in the top directory, which has a field 'Version:' , but aptitude is telling me, that the repository has a new version, although both, the deb from the repos and my selfmade deb have the exact same version field. hints? |
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| 16:30.44 | wols_ | rdz: filename |
| 16:30.57 | dmoerner | rdz, debian/changelog. if you want to increment your own package's version easily, use dch -i from devscripts |
| 16:30.57 | rdz | wols_, thanks |
| 16:31.10 | rdz | dmoerner, thanks |
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| 16:32.22 | sneex | D'oh! I figured out my logrotate issue :P Cheers! |
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| 16:34.24 | nohelphere | wow http://www.easyvmx.com/software/easymac.sh fails |
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| 16:37.23 | itchi_ | With rsync, can't we have a global progress bar? Right now i get one per file. Just want to see how much there left to sync |
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| 16:38.20 | torrr | can I boot an iso from an hd? |
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| 16:39.51 | liable | torrr: sort of, you can use the hd-media, and it should be able to use the iso if its stored somewhere on it |
| 16:40.00 | liable | torrr: check the install guide |
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| 16:42.03 | Xklark | i installed apache2 through the debian 4.0 install cd, how can i remove it? apt-get says the package isnt isntalled. |
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| 16:45.00 | duckx | hi hi |
| 16:45.22 | duckx | I was wondering if there is any dbconfig-common gourou out there ... |
| 16:45.34 | duckx | I try to install dspam on a remote mysql server ... |
| 16:45.43 | duckx | And I don't get how to make it work ... |
| 16:46.11 | duckx | dbconfig is confident it does not require any password to access the remote database ... |
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| 16:47.46 | Aleku | hello, I'm using Debian ETCH and I'm trying to configure the system to use openldap. I've created the new groups and users and configured PAM to use ldap. When I su to an LDAP username, the system ads, by default, the group "root" to the new user. Any idea how to remove this feature? |
| 16:47.58 | alphanet | Xklark: maybe the package is not named apache2, but one of the versions, do a dpkg -l 'apache2*' and see what is installed |
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| 16:48.55 | duckx | Aleku: how du you su ? su user or su - user ? |
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| 16:49.27 | Aleku | su user, pam creates the homedir if it does not exist |
| 16:49.51 | duckx | try su - user |
| 16:49.53 | Aleku | group user shows : root ldapgroup |
| 16:50.22 | duckx | may be a mix of UID & EUID ... |
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| 16:50.52 | duckx | Aleku: test also a getent passwd your_user |
| 16:51.07 | duckx | To see your default group |
| 16:51.34 | duckx | or getent ldap you_user (Can't remember the conf in the nsswitch.conf ;)) |
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| 16:56.15 | zefferno | Is there any way to override chmod permissions by using ACL (setfacl)? it seems that chmod always overrides ACL permissions |
| 16:56.31 | thechef | I have ditter artifacts with vnc like when you have low display depth, but i started vncserver with 24 bit. How can I fix that? |
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| 16:57.25 | duckx | zefferno: chmod 000 + ACLs do not work ? |
| 16:57.50 | alphanet | duckx: AFAIK it doesn't, because you can only give group ACL permissions if the POSIX group permission is granted |
| 16:58.50 | zefferno | duckx: no.. |
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| 16:59.00 | duckx | Ah, k : did not know that ;) |
| 16:59.06 | zefferno | duckx: when doing getfacl it will show effective:--- |
| 16:59.30 | duckx | 770 at least then .. |
| 16:59.45 | duckx | zefferno: chmod root:root your dir ? |
| 16:59.56 | zefferno | duckx: yep |
| 17:00.00 | duckx | Sorry own ;) |
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| 17:00.42 | alphanet | zefferno: make sure users are by default in their own group, ensure the default umask is 002 |
| 17:00.51 | alphanet | zefferno: and it should be ok |
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| 17:02.18 | mirak | hi |
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| 17:03.08 | mirak | when you use a virtualiser like virtualbox or vmware, is the network speed between guest and host limited by the hardware speed of the virtual devices ? |
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| 17:03.53 | earthian | Hello, i am back. sorry, X froze. |
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| 17:04.52 | dudeman | hm |
| 17:06.27 | zefferno | alphanet: The point is that I gave a regular user permissions to manage ftp users using the Webmin interface (which runs under root). I have also created a normal /sbin/nologin shell user to the FTP which allows him to RWX all data under the FTP root. Now, default permissions in home directories are 755. I have set defaut ACL which allows the group of that user, let's say ftp_admins to rwx all data under ftp root. SInce the def |
| 17:06.28 | zefferno | ault is 755 it overrides my default ACL. |
| 17:06.35 | unop | mirak, I should think the network driver within the guest imposes a limit |
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| 17:08.50 | alphanet | zefferno: default permissions should be 775 if the user is in his own group |
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| 17:09.04 | alphanet | zefferno: you can fix this e.g. in proftpd's config |
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| 17:10.26 | mirak | unop ok I will try another device |
| 17:12.25 | zefferno | alphanet: when the user creates an home directory the permissions user:ftp_users, now it is not enough since the ftp_admins doesn't have permissions. |
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| 17:13.38 | alphanet | zefferno: you could make so that the default ACL of the base of the user's dir allows the ftpadmin group |
| 17:13.48 | alphanet | zefferno: it may work, I haven't tested it though |
| 17:14.46 | zefferno | alphanet: that's what I did but when getting the ACL I see group:ftp_admins:rwx #effective:r-x because of 755 in chmod. |
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| 17:15.45 | zefferno | alphanet: it seems like chmod allways overrides ACL. |
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| 17:16.16 | alphanet | zefferno: again, don't do the 755 chmod |
| 17:16.20 | alphanet | zefferno: do a 775 |
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| 17:16.34 | alphanet | zefferno: I don't get why you want this chmod 755 |
| 17:18.20 | zefferno | alphanet: Then I will have to effect the whole system including non-ftp accounts (changing login.defs)... I thought mybe there is a way to override chmod permissions with setfacl. |
| 17:18.35 | zefferno | effect=affect |
| 17:18.59 | alphanet | zefferno: proftpd allows you to specify the umask you want |
| 17:19.06 | alphanet | zefferno: this will isolate the issue |
| 17:19.15 | alphanet | zefferno: alternatively, login.defs can be set based on groups |
| 17:19.20 | alphanet | zefferno: assign a "ftpguest" group |
| 17:19.41 | EmleyMoor | Getting very annoyed with horde |
| 17:20.11 | EmleyMoor | I will have to come back to it in a bit and start again |
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| 17:21.41 | zefferno | alphanet: How can umask help? for example umask 000 isn't it like 755-000? eventually 755? |
| 17:22.07 | alphanet | zefferno: help umask in bash; or read proftpd documentation, or read man 2 umask |
| 17:22.18 | alphanet | zefferno: umask of 002 is what you need |
| 17:22.42 | alphanet | zefferno: but you are right that IF someones does chmod 755, umask won't help |
| 17:22.57 | alphanet | zefferno: umask only helps if someone creates a file or directory |
| 17:23.09 | alphanet | zefferno: DON'T do chmod 755, then |
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| 17:24.14 | zefferno | alphanet: I am not doing it ;-) it's default. I will look into applying specific login.defs for groups. Thanks. |
| 17:25.00 | alphanet | zefferno: easier and safer would be to specify the umask in proftpd |
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| 17:25.24 | zefferno | alphanet: I will try using 002 002 and see how it goes... |
| 17:25.32 | alphanet | zefferno: good luck :) |
| 17:25.45 | zefferno | alphanet: Thanks again. |
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| 17:27.43 | prueba | hi i don't speak eglish, please read and vote this idea: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13905/ thanks |
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| 17:28.16 | liable | drive by spam |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | votes it down |
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| 17:29.10 | boris | salut |
| 17:29.48 | boris | Hello |
| 17:29.59 | boris | quel fils de pute |
| 17:30.10 | alphanet | mais non |
| 17:30.15 | boris | mais si |
| 17:30.25 | abrotman | english please |
| 17:30.38 | boris | ok |
| 17:30.45 | boris | what a son of a bitch |
| 17:30.50 | alphanet | no |
| 17:30.59 | boris | yes, of course |
| 17:31.01 | alphanet | (end of translation) |
| 17:31.10 | boris | mouais |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | boris: english |
| 17:31.20 | boris | sorry |
| 17:31.22 | alphanet | boris: you bloody frenchy :-> |
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| 17:31.43 | alphanet | boris: (joking, of course) |
| 17:31.45 | boris | alphanet: hey ... i'm not french |
| 17:32.00 | boris | alphanet: french people sucks |
| 17:32.12 | abrotman | boris: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:32.14 | alphanet | boris: ah you are swiss like me |
| 17:32.22 | boris | alphanet: yeah sur |
| 17:32.30 | boris | alphanet: i'm swiss |
| 17:32.35 | boris | alphanet: from biel/bienne |
| 17:32.41 | abrotman | boris: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 17:32.52 | boris | abrotman: no |
| 17:33.04 | abrotman | if you want a general chat room, try #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:34.35 | boris | abrotman: mm..i've a debian question, there is an update for virtualbox-ose but not for the module...why? |
| 17:35.01 | boris | abrotman: how can i update the module to have a working virtualbox |
| 17:35.13 | abrotman | i don't use vb |
| 17:35.47 | boris | abrotman: did you use another emulator ? |
| 17:36.06 | liable | there was talk of this on the release ML |
| 17:36.09 | abrotman | i was using qemu for that stuff .. but i haven't been mucking with it lately |
| 17:36.16 | liable | they uploaded when they shouldnt have |
| 17:36.36 | boris | ok |
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| 17:38.15 | gladideg_ | mount /dev/sdb /home/sdb hangs the terminal... Fresh install, sdb = ext3 with 30gb of stuff . No debug output etc. |
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| 17:39.19 | alphanet | gladideg_: did you create the filesystem in /dev/sdb, or /dev/sdbX, X being the partition number? |
| 17:39.35 | gladideg_ | alphanet, the whole filesystem is in sdb |
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| 17:39.44 | gladideg_ | alphanet, it's a complete disk |
| 17:39.51 | alphanet | gladideg_: ok, I rarely do that (I did that when space was scarce :->) |
| 17:40.02 | alphanet | gladideg_: what does e2fsck -f /dev/sdb report # just to be sure |
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| 17:40.15 | alphanet | gladideg_: what does `e2fsck -f /dev/sdb' report just to be sure |
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| 17:40.42 | gladideg_ | alphanet, Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb <- |
| 17:40.58 | alphanet | gladideg_: strange, any output in dmesg? |
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| 17:41.39 | gladideg_ | alphanet, the compute shutdown "not-properly" some hours ago |
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| 17:41.56 | gladideg_ | it onothing on sdb |
| 17:42.07 | MariachiAC1 | hello, I have a module installed for my kernel. How do I load it at start up or perhaps... how do I make ascript I think is what you call it. |
| 17:42.07 | EmleyMoor | How do I get a java plugin in iceweasel on amd64? |
| 17:42.17 | alphanet | gladideg_: you could check why it is busy using various options of fuser |
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| 17:42.41 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: which version of debian ? |
| 17:42.52 | EmleyMoor | lenny |
| 17:43.08 | gladideg_ | alphanet, yes I will. Must be some issues when I pulled the plug earleir |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i think you need the icedtea stuff |
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| 17:45.20 | EmleyMoor | tried it |
| 17:45.23 | EmleyMoor | tries, even |
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| 17:47.18 | abrotman | why the hell does the debian wiki mention blackdown java ? |
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| 17:50.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a wiki... you know what to do! |
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| 17:50.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: i don't have an account |
| 17:50.38 | jelly-home | pshaw |
| 17:51.49 | abrotman | actually .. the whole http://wiki.debian.org/Mozilla 'Java' section is wrong |
| 17:51.57 | EmleyMoor | Is this icedtea thing DFSG compliant? |
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| 17:52.08 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: it will be if it's not yet |
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| 17:52.34 | EmleyMoor | Ah, so at least moving that way if not already so - cool, provided it works of course |
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| 17:53.00 | abrotman | !icedtea |
| 17:53.00 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
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| 17:53.14 | EmleyMoor | My system is still installing it |
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| 17:55.59 | Hodapp | I replaced a network card in my box with Etch; it needs the 'e100' module so I added it to /etc/modules |
| 17:56.21 | Hodapp | it shows up as eth1 (eth0 is just nonexistent for some reason). I added 'iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 17:56.31 | Hodapp | er, iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 17:56.48 | Hodapp | to my /etc/network/interfaces, but it is still not bringing the interface up at startup for some reason |
| 17:56.53 | Hodapp | does anyone know what's going wrong? |
| 17:57.24 | alphanet | missing auto? |
| 17:57.30 | jpinx | whatś the command for getting the sound to work ? Something with ALSA I believe? |
| 17:57.55 | Hodapp | alphanet: hm? |
| 17:57.58 | alphanet | Hodapp: you may be missing an auto entry |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | "auto eth1" |
| 17:58.14 | Hodapp | where? |
| 17:58.16 | Hodapp | interfaces? |
| 17:58.22 | alphanet | auto eth0 |
| 17:58.27 | alphanet | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:58.32 | alphanet | in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:59.17 | Hodapp | but why did it bring up eth0 automatically when it was still there, when it lacks an 'auto eth0' line? |
| 17:59.24 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting a lot of "not found:" in my Java applet... (not one I wrote) - it didn't happen with sun java |
| 17:59.37 | alphanet | Hodapp: ghosts? |
| 17:59.43 | Hodapp | hmm? |
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| 17:59.49 | abrotman | Hodapp: does it allow-hotplug ? |
| 17:59.55 | Hodapp | oh... yeah |
| 18:00.09 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to use sun java plugin on lenny/amd64? |
| 18:00.16 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: do you know which java it is using? |
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| 18:00.36 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: sun never released an amd64 plugin for linux .. it released a jre |
| 18:00.37 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: How would I tell? |
| 18:00.44 | jpinx | looking for how to set up alsa - anyone able to tell me the command? |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i believe some people have used nspluginwrapper with the 32bit java plugin |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 18:00.58 | dpkg | "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>. After its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
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| 18:01.43 | jpinx | /thanks abrotman |
| 18:01.51 | JoyOfLife | what extension do incomplete debs have in "partial" dir of apt-get cache? |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:02.12 | alphanet | I have a funny issue: on a etch machine I have a static /dev, and on another it's udevfs, and there is a .static dir with a dev inside. Where do you configure this? |
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| 18:02.24 | abrotman | JoyOfLife: oh .. they're still .deb i think |
| 18:02.44 | abrotman | alphanet: devfs is gone ..they should all be udev now |
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| 18:03.04 | JoyOfLife | abrotman, and what are those with extension .FAILED? |
| 18:03.19 | alphanet | udev 10240 76 10164 1% /dev |
| 18:03.21 | alphanet | yes, sorry |
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| 18:03.39 | alphanet | so one machine has /dev on udev, with .static/dev inside; and the other a /dev without any udev (in /) |
| 18:03.55 | abrotman | JoyOfLife: not sure .. haven't seen that |
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| 18:04.11 | alphanet | nothing special in /etc/fstab; both have udevd --daemon running |
| 18:04.33 | JoyOfLife | abrotman, and those which are incomplete and have the .deb extension ARE being used when needed, right? |
| 18:04.37 | alphanet | what could do this? knowing that one machine is a rsync of the other |
| 18:05.02 | abrotman | JoyOfLife: once they are completed they are moved up one in the path to the regular archives directoru |
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| 18:05.47 | JoyOfLife | abrotman, no, I mean if the download was interrupted, they maybe still used later on, right? |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | yes if the package version is the same |
| 18:06.15 | JoyOfLife | yeah, thanks |
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| 18:12.58 | dudeman | abrotman, firefox3 has a patch for svg animation |
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| 18:13.09 | abrotman | to make it fail?> |
| 18:13.16 | dudeman | no to make it work lol |
| 18:13.20 | dudeman | what do you mean fail? |
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| 18:13.43 | abrotman | oh .. i'm thinking of apng |
| 18:14.46 | jpinx | in #alsa they tell me to use alsa-info, but I can find a deb package. Any help anyone? |
| 18:15.12 | dudeman | alsa-info my guess is in probabloy alsa-utils or alsa-tools (if debian has it packaged) |
| 18:15.21 | dudeman | jpinx, try on packages.debian.org and search first |
| 18:15.31 | dudeman | jpinx, I've never used/heard of that tool |
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| 18:20.39 | jpinx | dudeman: ok - I got some help coming from #alsa now ;) |
| 18:20.49 | dudeman | fantastic |
| 18:21.14 | dudeman | jpinx, you offered me server space at one point, could you kindly join #oswebdev so that I may discuss something with you |
| 18:21.26 | dudeman | jpinx, whenever you get a chance that is |
| 18:21.46 | dudeman | jpinx, btw, what the problem with your sound? |
| 18:21.53 | dudeman | +is |
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| 18:24.46 | ricosecada | What is the best and correct way to protect a webserver running etch from users who might upload a PHP script (I have some virtual hosts) that serves files such as /etc/passwd or others? |
| 18:25.41 | abrotman | probably more a question for ##php |
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| 18:26.29 | ricosecada | abrotman, no not really, I have read the readme.debian.security in the php installation, and the server is to be protected not from php. |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 18:27.40 | Helljawz | someone know about the new debian stable? |
| 18:27.42 | JoyOfLife | how do I extract all file from a deb file? |
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| 18:28.36 | abrotman | Helljawz: you mean etch? |
| 18:28.44 | abrotman | JoyOfLife: ar x file.deb |
| 18:28.56 | Helljawz | abrotman lenny... |
| 18:29.00 | OBcecado | dpkg -x filename /path/ |
| 18:29.00 | dpkg | OBcecado: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | Helljawz: lenny is not stable yet |
| 18:29.13 | ricosecada | abrotman, sorry misunderstanding, thanks |
| 18:29.19 | abrotman | !tell Helljawz about wwlr |
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| 18:29.30 | Locutus266 | Hello everyone. I just tried to setup a VNC server on my Debian box. Is there a way to export X display 0 (aka the one that's on the monitor?) |
| 18:29.40 | Locutus266 | I am using tightvncserver |
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| 18:29.56 | Helljawz | abrotman but, when it will be? |
| 18:30.18 | dudeman | Locutus266, yes |
| 18:30.21 | EmleyMoor | Locutus266: Look at vino - that may do what you want |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | !tell Helljawz about wwlr |
| 18:30.27 | dudeman | Locutus266, x11vnc i think |
| 18:30.35 | dudeman | !tell Locutus266 -about x11vnc |
| 18:31.06 | Locutus266 | I see. Thanks! |
| 18:31.07 | dudeman | Locutus266, vncserver will always start a new X session, you want x11vnc to export the current running display, like MS windows |
| 18:31.23 | Locutus266 | That's right. I just needed a bump in the right direction |
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| 18:31.29 | Locutus266 | Thanks anyway |
| 18:31.31 | dudeman | sure |
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| 18:34.39 | Locutus266 | While I am here... Whenever I use aptitude to install or remove packages, after installation/removal, aptitude will load the package tree and then freeze. The only thing I can do is CTRL+C. Any ideas? |
| 18:35.12 | Locutus266 | It freezes directly after (proper) installation or removal of a package |
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| 18:35.26 | dudeman | Locutus266, seems beyond my skill level |
| 18:35.35 | dudeman | Locutus266, you can however try to strace it and see whats up |
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| 18:35.55 | dudeman | Locutus266, perhaps someone else can be of assistance |
| 18:36.06 | Locutus266 | I think stracing is beyond my skill level I am afraid |
| 18:36.27 | dudeman | Locutus266, what about apt-get?: |
| 18:36.29 | Locutus266 | Is there some kind of cache I could try removing? |
| 18:36.33 | dudeman | any problems with that? |
| 18:36.35 | Locutus266 | apt-get works fine |
| 18:36.39 | dudeman | or dpkg -i ?" |
| 18:36.42 | dudeman | hm |
| 18:36.57 | dudeman | have you checked the aptitude log files maybe something there |
| 18:36.57 | sladi | Locutus266: if you want remote 3d apps then you need xf4vnc or virtualgl |
| 18:37.22 | dudeman | sladi, remote 3d apps? over vnc or virtual gl? crazy |
| 18:37.33 | dudeman | anything but rdp for remote 3d sucks ime |
| 18:37.41 | stiv2k | how do I make directory links? ln -s.... ? |
| 18:37.52 | dudeman | soft or hard |
| 18:37.54 | dudeman | man ln |
| 18:38.08 | dudeman | -s == symbolic link, sort of like a shortcut if you will |
| 18:38.08 | stiv2k | im not sure... |
| 18:38.12 | stiv2k | yeah |
| 18:38.21 | stiv2k | but it doesnt seem to be working on a directory |
| 18:38.28 | stiv2k | oh wait |
| 18:38.28 | dudeman | it should, I do it all the time |
| 18:38.42 | stiv2k | got it |
| 18:38.46 | stiv2k | i had a syntax error |
| 18:38.54 | Locutus266 | Thanks sladi. 2D will do for now :) |
| 18:38.57 | dudeman | in pwd, if you type ln -s /usr/bin, it will create 'bin' inside pwd linked to /usr/bin |
| 18:39.01 | dudeman | for example |
| 18:39.05 | dudeman | oh ok |
| 18:39.05 | sladi | Locutus266: Yes, I never got to try that :) |
| 18:39.09 | Locutus266 | dudeman: I will check aptitude log |
| 18:39.33 | dudeman | brb |
| 18:40.17 | Locutus266 | tail /var/log/aptitude - no errors there |
| 18:40.32 | dudeman | i thik thats just alog of what it installs and stuff |
| 18:41.23 | Locutus266 | is there a seperate error log? |
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| 18:42.47 | dudeman | I've no idea |
| 18:43.07 | dudeman | try man aptitude around the bottom of the manual to see if there are any listed files |
| 18:43.20 | dudeman | or try /log or search the man I guess |
| 18:43.28 | sladi | Locutus266: stracing means you type "strace COMMAND" |
| 18:43.50 | sladi | Locutus266: for example strace aptitude update |
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| 18:44.45 | sigmonsays_ | So.. anyone ever hear of ifstated? ir's a daemon to run shell commands when interface state changes. It's origianlly from bsd but i'm in dier need of a linux v |
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| 18:45.27 | Hydroxide | sigmonsays_: take a look at the directories in /etc/network/if-*.d/ |
| 18:46.07 | sigmonsays_ | Hydroxide: what daemon runs them? |
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| 18:48.24 | gpm | he just knows that that's where daemons live |
| 18:48.53 | Locutus266 | Ok, thanks for all your hints. I'll get around to that later. Bye everyone |
| 18:48.59 | dudeman | bye |
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| 18:49.26 | sigmonsays_ | i'm actually not on debian |
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| 18:49.44 | sigmonsays_ | but this channel tends to have less desktop/kde talk and more real linux talk |
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| 18:50.20 | sigmonsays_ | I see debian uses ifplugd -- or parts of it atleast |
| 18:50.29 | sigmonsays_ | ifplugd seems to be what i'm looking for |
| 18:50.51 | nxmehta | if a kernel module is listed in both /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and in /etc/modules, will it be unloaded or loaded? |
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| 18:54.43 | dudeman | nxmehta, you probably don't want to do that |
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| 18:56.59 | JoyOfLife | how do I kill a process? |
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| 18:58.36 | abrotman | JoyOfLife: kill |
| 18:58.42 | abrotman | !tell JoyOfLife about grounding |
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| 19:00.37 | jdrake | If I have a package, ghc, that is at 6.8.2 in debian, but 6.8.3 upstream, and I wanted to upgrade the package to the latest version while still being within the package system, how might I go about updating the package? |
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| 19:05.07 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell jdrake -about uupdate |
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| 19:05.40 | jdrake | dmoerner, that is cool, thank you |
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| 19:09.46 | dmoerner | jdrake, no debian/watch in ghc6 so you will have to do a manual update from upstream sources |
| 19:10.57 | jdrake | dmoerner, are you talking about a source install into /usr/local or some such? |
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| 19:11.43 | george_ | need some help mouting a fstab |
| 19:11.57 | dmoerner | jdrake, i mean this: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html#s-newupstream-real |
| 19:12.01 | george_ | i am mounting a shared fat32 partition , but i cant write on it |
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| 19:12.31 | dmoerner | jdrake, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate might be simpler |
| 19:12.32 | jelly-home | !tell george_ -about vfatrw |
| 19:12.45 | jdrake | dmoerner, ok, thank you. I do want to learn how to do this properly. |
| 19:13.05 | jdrake | dmoerner, that last link isn't going to make me feel dirty is it? |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | couldn't he just ssb? |
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| 19:13.20 | jelly-home | george_: did you get a private message from dpkg bot? |
| 19:13.25 | itchi_ | enouf: Are you still up? |
| 19:13.32 | dmoerner | abrotman, no, because the sid version is too old for him |
| 19:13.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: ssb + uupdate is what they want |
| 19:13.41 | dmoerner | and the package doesn't have a debian/watch |
| 19:13.49 | abrotman | lazy DD! |
| 19:14.05 | jelly-home | thankfully uupdate works with a downloaded tarball |
| 19:14.44 | itchi_ | well, in a fresh virtual install, i want to make use of links2 -g but it says me (!) DirectFB/core/vt: Error opening '/dev/tty0'! I guess i'm missing some rights :-s |
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| 19:15.12 | Kovensky | itchi_: I think you're missing the framebuffer |
| 19:15.21 | Kovensky | did you boot with vga=<n>? |
| 19:15.22 | itchi_ | Kovensky: As root user it works |
| 19:15.31 | itchi_ | Kovensky: yes; with vga=791 |
| 19:15.34 | Kovensky | hmm |
| 19:15.38 | enouf | itchi_: yes |
| 19:15.38 | Kovensky | see if you're in the tty group |
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| 19:15.50 | itchi_ | enouf: You got me with your links2 :-p |
| 19:15.59 | enouf | itchi_: virtual install? |
| 19:16.01 | itchi_ | enouf: Got a little issue with it on a fresh install ^ |
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| 19:16.10 | itchi_ | enouf: An install in virtualbox |
| 19:16.19 | enouf | itchi_: as root it works? |
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| 19:16.23 | itchi_ | enouf: yup |
| 19:16.36 | enouf | itchi_: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/links2 |
| 19:16.50 | itchi_ | enouf: On my true system it work as normal user, didn't do anythings appart installing links2 |
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| 19:17.13 | enouf | itchi_: (i tried to tell you about this earlier -- i mentioned /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian) |
| 19:17.25 | enouf | itchi_: stat `which links2` |
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| 19:17.45 | itchi_ | enouf: oh, will read it then |
| 19:18.05 | enouf | itchi_: well, that file also keeps updates/upgrades from altering it, IINM |
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| 19:18.09 | itchi_ | I still wonder why this work out of the box on my main PC. Is also a fresh install btw |
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| 19:18.18 | enouf | the command shown within does |
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| 19:18.48 | enouf | itchi_: i think it (the setuid bit) might've been fixed, or something, see the changelog |
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| 19:19.07 | itchi_ | enouf: Well, both are testing :-) |
| 19:19.13 | dudeman | itchi_, hows the new baby? |
| 19:19.23 | dudeman | (thought you'd have one by now) |
| 19:19.29 | itchi_ | enouf: anyway, thanks :-) got it fixed :-) Good good, he is sleeping now :-p |
| 19:19.32 | dudeman | itchi_, long time no see btw |
| 19:19.38 | enouf | itchi_: yes, sid pkgs migrate down ;-) but, the VM might have something to do with it |
| 19:19.41 | itchi_ | dudeman: Yup, kinda busy heh |
| 19:19.43 | dudeman | cool! |
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| 19:19.49 | dudeman | itchi_, Nyle/stoned |
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| 19:20.46 | enouf | itchi_: see the thing is /dev/tty0 is the current tty, so if it's occupied, no bueno ;-) |
| 19:20.54 | itchi_ | enouf: I duno if you know but arround 4 december we will get a girl |
| 19:21.08 | enouf | itchi_: \o/ .. yippie! ;-) |
| 19:21.09 | itchi_ | enouf: Got it working :-) |
| 19:21.49 | jdavis | I have a .ssh/id_rsa. However, I don't want to have to decrypt it for hosts that don't authenticate that way. Any suggestions? how is this normally done? |
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| 19:23.04 | george_ | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:23.11 | george_ | jelly-home: thanks ... |
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| 19:23.25 | george_ | jelly-home: just another question ... how i remount everything ? |
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| 19:23.34 | eth01 | hi hi :) |
| 19:23.34 | enouf | mount -a ? |
| 19:23.39 | jelly-home | george_: everything? |
| 19:23.42 | enouf | that'll do /etc/fstab entries |
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| 19:24.10 | george_ | ok |
| 19:24.15 | itchi_ | enouf: heh, ctrl+a isn't accepted anymore when start links2 in screen |
| 19:24.40 | Kovensky | itchi_: I'm surpried it even worked inside screen |
| 19:24.45 | Kovensky | I never managed to make it work there :/ |
| 19:24.49 | Kovensky | directfb fails too |
| 19:25.13 | jelly-home | george_: first umount the filesystems you want to mount with correct options, _then_ do mount -a |
| 19:26.15 | itchi_ | Seems that it's DirectFB that is eating this ctrl keys |
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| 19:27.13 | enouf | itchi_: "ctrl+a a" ? .. some locale keymapping issues? dunno |
| 19:27.41 | enouf | itchi_: uname -r |
| 19:28.22 | enouf | itchi_: there was an insert key issue, that's since been fixed in .26-7 |
| 19:28.28 | enouf | !insert |
| 19:28.29 | dpkg | insert is probably Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 19:28.33 | itchi_ | enouf: is the 2.6.26-1-686 in this vm. BTW, still didn't got this .26 working on my "true" box |
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| 19:29.41 | mattp_ | is there a -show feature with apt-get |
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| 19:29.44 | mattp_ | to show what itll do without doing it |
| 19:29.46 | itchi_ | enouf: Will check this later, as i may compile a vanilla kernel as test for this box |
| 19:29.48 | mattp_ | on say a dist-upgrade |
| 19:29.49 | enouf | mattp_: sure |
| 19:29.56 | enouf | mattp_: see -s |
| 19:30.00 | mattp_ | i looked through th eman page but couldnt see it |
| 19:30.01 | mattp_ | enouf: thanks |
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| 19:33.25 | george_ | jelly-home: how to umount the filesystems ? |
| 19:33.51 | abrotman | umount |
| 19:33.51 | jelly-home | george_: uh, umount /mount/point? |
| 19:33.53 | itchi_ | For "textarea" can i use vim in links2 |
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| 19:34.22 | itchi_ | Somethings as the "It's all text" Mozilla pluggin |
| 19:34.32 | jelly-home | use a proper browser! |
| 19:34.41 | itchi_ | jelly-home: links2 isn't good? |
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| 19:34.54 | itchi_ | Is nice anyway |
| 19:34.58 | dudeman | itchi_, a 3rd kid? |
| 19:35.00 | amphi | itchi_: w3m will spawn the editor of your choice |
| 19:35.01 | dudeman | jeez |
| 19:35.31 | itchi_ | dudeman: Still 2, i don't want a 3rd right now :-p Already that crazy heh |
| 19:35.41 | jelly-home | itchi_: elinks has a separate command to run an external editor; perhaps links2 has one too |
| 19:36.05 | Sling | titanium:/home/mathijs# apt-cache search girlfriend |
| 19:36.05 | Sling | psad - The Port Scan Attack Detector |
| 19:36.07 | Sling | what the |
| 19:36.15 | itchi_ | Well, enouf have show me the nice links2 -g stuff. Kinda nice to see the pics in cli |
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| 19:36.33 | dudeman | itchi_, right now? you shouldn't want more than 2 to begin with... aptitude install funny-manpages; man condom |
| 19:36.37 | dudeman | hides |
| 19:37.04 | amphi | doesn't like links2 -g |
| 19:37.11 | dudeman | amphi, why |
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| 19:37.24 | amphi | I prefer w3m |
| 19:37.26 | dudeman | amphi, I have a emacs shortcut for opening that ;) |
| 19:37.32 | enouf | links2 -g does have a Open in Shell Command |
| 19:37.43 | itchi_ | Are there some other cli browsers that shows images in cli? |
| 19:37.46 | amphi | links2 is bloat!!! |
| 19:37.53 | dudeman | you're bloat! |
| 19:37.53 | enouf | Proper Browser == Bloated |
| 19:38.01 | dudeman | true |
| 19:38.09 | jdavis | I am trying to use ssh-agent, and it doesn't seem to be helping at all. |
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| 19:38.27 | enouf | dudeman: there are many variants to try and some other browsers as well |
| 19:38.40 | enouf | dudeman: just not FirePoop and KonqOut |
| 19:38.47 | george_ | jelly-home: hey you are the man !!! |
| 19:38.50 | george_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:38.57 | jdavis | if I do "ssh-agent xterm" and then ssh once, and then exit and ssh again, it asks me to decrypt the id_rsa both times. |
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| 19:39.18 | Gun_Smoke | Update Manager says there are 8 updates. aptitude shows none are available? |
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| 19:39.47 | Heston | hello, is there a specific command for apt to find out what is dependent on an installed package? Or is the only way to run apt-get remove and view what's going to be removed? |
| 19:40.05 | Heston | I've read the whole apt-howto and didnt find anything relevant |
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| 19:40.34 | alphanet | Heston: apt-cache show depends X |
| 19:40.54 | alphanet | Heston: or rdepends |
| 19:40.58 | alphanet | Heston: both without the show |
| 19:41.08 | Heston | thank you |
| 19:41.09 | alphanet | Heston: apt-cache depends X # what are X dependancies |
| 19:41.23 | alphanet | Heston: apt-cache rdepends X # what packages depend on X |
| 19:41.26 | Gun_Smoke | So I'm trying to decide if it is just bad gui or if there are in fact updates. This is a fresh lenny install. |
| 19:42.09 | lymeca_ | I'm having a fairly serious software problem on sid with my mouse. It is behaving extremely erratically, doing random left/right clicking as well as middle clicking (which causes pasting) and the pointer sometimes reacts very poorly |
| 19:42.13 | lymeca_ | and mousewheel functions go nuts as well |
| 19:42.18 | enouf | itchi_: Settings > mail, telnet, and shell |
| 19:42.25 | lymeca_ | This started last night and all I can think of is spilling a bit of water on my mouse/keyboard recently |
| 19:42.45 | lymeca_ | But I've unplugged both my mouse and keyboard and starting using others and the same behavior happens |
| 19:42.54 | enouf | itchi_: File > OS shell to run/launch the shell - but you can launch apps within the shell directly as well |
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| 19:42.59 | lymeca_ | I think it's a software problem but I have no clue what because I've never experienced it before. |
| 19:43.08 | lymeca_ | It only happens when I try and actually move the mouse though. |
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| 19:45.59 | itchi_ | enouf: What should i put in that Mail, telnet and shell to get vim started for text area's ? |
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| 19:46.09 | MXIIA | How can I get mod_security and mod_rewrite with apache2 in Etch |
| 19:46.32 | Heston | alphanet, that command shows me all possible reverse depends, but what about showing only the installed ones? |
| 19:46.33 | enouf | itchi_: settings > Associations > Add (fill in the blanks, PDF ; application/pdf ; /usr/bin/acroread % ) -- this is how i launch acroread when i come upon a PDF |
| 19:46.58 | enouf | itchi_: i'm not sure what you mean "text areas" |
| 19:47.00 | alphanet | Heston: you could filter through a diff with dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:47.17 | itchi_ | enouf: Well, i guess i dind't explain it right. There are some imput, text area fields in forms, i want to lauch vim for the textarea field |
| 19:47.17 | alphanet | Heston: else, yes, use apt-get remove --simulate or something |
| 19:47.28 | XTZGZoReX | I'm pretty damn tired of nano lol. |
| 19:47.35 | Heston | alphanet, alright, thanks |
| 19:47.36 | XTZGZoReX | I don't need a text editor telling me "Come on, be reasonable". |
| 19:47.40 | enouf | itchi_: hrm, just File > OS shell i guess |
| 19:47.47 | EmleyMoor | The update notification on my desktop shows even though there aren't any - why would that be |
| 19:47.51 | EmleyMoor | ? |
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| 19:48.08 | MXIIA | How can I get mod_security and mod_rewrite with apache2 in Etch |
| 19:48.14 | enouf | itchi_: but setup vim within that settings > mail/telnet/shell area entry i guess |
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| 19:48.49 | asdzxc | hi |
| 19:48.51 | asdzxc | how can i create my own package ? |
| 19:49.02 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | i heard nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 19:49.04 | asdzxc | there was link to cool howto here |
| 19:49.11 | simonrvn | read that ^^^ |
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| 19:49.25 | asdzxc | i want to just compile it from source package |
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| 19:49.40 | EmleyMoor | asdzxc: Is it something already in debian? |
| 19:49.50 | simonrvn | so ask the right question |
| 19:49.56 | asdzxc | EmleyMoor yes but i want to add some patches |
| 19:50.01 | asdzxc | simonrvn sorry |
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| 19:50.22 | asdzxc | simonrvn i want to create package from a source package |
| 19:50.38 | simonrvn | answer EmleyMoor first |
| 19:50.47 | asdzxc | simonrvn there was a cool howto in this 'dpkg' bot but i forget the command |
| 19:50.54 | asdzxc | simonrvn i did |
| 19:51.05 | simonrvn | ah ok. missed that |
| 19:51.16 | MXIIA | How can I get mod_security with apache2 in Etch |
| 19:51.43 | petemc | asdzxc: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 19:52.31 | simonrvn | apt-get source package then add them to the debian/patches dir if any; you'll need to integrate those patches into the patch system the package uses, then modify debian/changelog accordingly. that new maintainer guide will fill in the blanks i've left out. |
| 19:52.38 | simonrvn | or that haha |
| 19:52.55 | asdzxc | petemc thnx |
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| 19:54.02 | enouf | itchi_: this should do it http://links.sourceforge.net/docs/manual-0.82-en/links-custom-extapps.html#most |
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| 19:54.25 | acu | Suddenly I HAVE NO SOUND - everything worked fine - I installed some program and now I have no sound and do not now how to revert to previous settings - or to see what is the matter with the sound - I use Lenny - on AMD64 |
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| 19:54.55 | simonrvn | YOU HAVE NO SOUND, SO YOU HAVE TO SHOUT? |
| 19:55.05 | EmleyMoor | I haven't managed to get sound out of the back of my amd64 system yet |
| 19:55.06 | amphi | heh |
| 19:55.12 | EmleyMoor | (though I can get it out of the front) |
| 19:55.27 | itchi_ | enouf: Thanks testing ... |
| 19:55.56 | EmleyMoor | I am putting some music on while I solve the problem |
| 19:56.11 | macsim | is there any solution to lock a computer with an usb stick ? with pam ? |
| 19:56.12 | asdzxc | how can i choose a version of a package, which i want to install ? |
| 19:56.18 | asdzxc | i have two repositories |
| 19:56.18 | macsim | oups hello 1st ;) |
| 19:56.22 | asdzxc | and both have that package |
| 19:56.27 | asdzxc | but other versions |
| 19:56.28 | acu | simonrvn: take it easy man they are some letters on the screen is not a shout - and I did not use all words with capital letters |
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| 19:57.07 | acu | simonrvn: if you know to help me please help me and spare parental education for later |
| 19:57.10 | petemc | asdzxc: aptitude install package=N |
| 19:57.17 | petemc | where N is the verison number |
| 19:57.48 | CWii | acu, 0.o |
| 19:58.05 | acu | :) |
| 19:58.06 | amphi | acu: CAPS IS SHOUTING |
| 19:58.09 | simonrvn | acu: all caps is shouting dude. and don't take it personally, it was in good fun, that's all. |
| 19:58.27 | EmleyMoor | Proper caps is just nice. |
| 19:58.37 | enouf | itchi_: also note; that File > OS shell function only works in text mode (links2, not with -g) |
| 19:58.40 | CWii | Does anyone know a irc client that can be used in a tty shell? |
| 19:58.42 | asdzxc | petemc it's saying there's no such package |
| 19:58.45 | simonrvn | is a lazy typist that doesn't do proper caps. |
| 19:58.47 | asdzxc | petemc where can be the problem ? |
| 19:58.53 | EmleyMoor | CWii: irssi is what I use |
| 19:58.54 | simonrvn | CWii: irssi |
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| 19:58.55 | amphi | Sure. That I meant all caps was, I hope, evident |
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| 19:59.03 | petemc | asdzxc: does it work with apt-get install package=N ? |
| 19:59.09 | CWii | EmleyMoor, simonrvn, Thank you :) |
| 19:59.17 | enouf | has killed the caps locks |
| 19:59.18 | simonrvn | acu: but anyway, what's the exact problem? no sound at all? |
| 19:59.30 | acu | yes - no sound at all |
| 19:59.32 | amphi | enouf: makes a dandy mod4 IMHO |
| 19:59.39 | enouf | amphi: ah.. |
| 19:59.49 | amphi | or Multi_key |
| 19:59.55 | enouf | amphi: right now, it's a dead key :-P |
| 20:00.05 | asdzxc | petemc sorry, my fault |
| 20:00.15 | amphi | enouf: what a senseless wåste ;) |
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| 20:00.24 | simonrvn | acu: what have you done so far to diagnose it? |
| 20:00.43 | acu | If I go in synaptics I get an error: E: libgtk1.2: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:00.48 | simonrvn | fuck, I WISH UTF-8 WORKED HERE (that's shouting, haha) |
| 20:00.59 | enouf | amphi: haha |
| 20:01.02 | simonrvn | *blink* what? |
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| 20:01.15 | simonrvn | what's libgtk1.2 have to do with sound? |
| 20:01.35 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 20:01.35 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 20:01.49 | amphi | apart from nothing, of course </mwilson> |
| 20:02.00 | simonrvn | amphi++ |
| 20:02.04 | simonrvn | !amphi++ |
| 20:02.09 | EmleyMoor | I can't determine which socket I need to plug the amp into on the back of this thing |
| 20:02.14 | amphi | ;) |
| 20:02.19 | enouf | your cat (or pet rats) ate threw your speaker wire |
| 20:02.25 | enouf | s/threw/through |
| 20:02.27 | simonrvn | LOLs "classic!" |
| 20:02.28 | enouf | duh |
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| 20:03.02 | enouf | EmleyMoor: the one that says; 50,000 watts of Funky! |
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| 20:04.01 | lymeca_ | So lenny will ship with 2.6.25? and 2.6.26 is in sid now with a Xen kernel? |
| 20:04.10 | enouf | atleast .26 |
| 20:04.18 | EmleyMoor | Right - solved that |
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| 20:04.31 | abrotman | lymeca_: it already has the .26 |
| 20:04.40 | EmleyMoor | Can't get sound out of the back with output connector in use at the fromt |
| 20:04.42 | EmleyMoor | front |
| 20:04.56 | EmleyMoor | (this is HD Audio though, not AC97) |
| 20:04.58 | lymeca_ | Oh so lenny will have 2.6.26? |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | it already has |
| 20:05.03 | enouf | yep |
| 20:05.18 | lymeca_ | Will it have the stock Xen kernel that just recently appear in sid? |
| 20:05.20 | enouf | depends on how long .. nm |
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| 20:05.22 | asdzxc | petemc apt-get build-dep packagename does not created anything |
| 20:05.29 | kudlaty | :) |
| 20:05.31 | lymeca_ | Where can I find more about this Xen kernel for 2.6.26 in sid? |
| 20:05.34 | asdzxc | petemc of course i specified the packagename there |
| 20:05.40 | enouf | asdzxc: you have a deb-src line? |
| 20:05.40 | abrotman | lymeca_: it's in lenny |
| 20:05.41 | EmleyMoor | It makes the headphone switch a bit useless |
| 20:05.44 | asdzxc | petemc yes |
| 20:05.58 | asdzxc | petemc apt-get build-dep mysql-5.0=5.0.62 |
| 20:05.58 | enouf | i'm not him ;-) |
| 20:06.10 | enouf | try showsrc 1st |
| 20:06.16 | asdzxc | petemc i have deb-src http://mysqlperformanceblog.com/mysql/debian/5.0/ source/ |
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| 20:06.36 | asdzxc | petemc i did also the aptitude update |
| 20:06.45 | enouf | that counts, indeed |
| 20:06.57 | enouf | no idea about that repo though |
| 20:07.09 | enouf | might need /. instead of source/ ? |
| 20:07.26 | simonrvn | acu: so like, you gonna answer my question? |
| 20:07.30 | asdzxc | should i try that ? |
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| 20:07.33 | enouf | haha |
| 20:07.43 | enouf | asdzxc: where did you get that repo from? |
| 20:07.51 | asdzxc | enouf http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/07/24/mysql-binaries-with-patches/ |
| 20:08.10 | AbsintheSyringe | my brasero isn't working, it just can't start burning anythig, this also started happening out of sudden, here's the log http://paste.debian.net/18621/ |
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| 20:08.17 | AbsintheSyringe | gnome baker works fine |
| 20:08.18 | AbsintheSyringe | debian lenny |
| 20:08.29 | enouf | asdzxc: i know nothing about mysql, but i do know that i like to use official repos ;-) |
| 20:08.35 | EmleyMoor | My USB sound card has strange volume behaviour |
| 20:08.42 | asdzxc | enouf i need some patches |
| 20:08.48 | asdzxc | enouf for user statistics |
| 20:08.58 | enouf | asdzxc: oh well .. |
| 20:08.59 | asdzxc | enouf google mysql patches |
| 20:09.02 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: says too many directories |
| 20:09.24 | asdzxc | enouf that repo has source with there cool patches |
| 20:09.30 | asdzxc | * with that |
| 20:09.38 | enouf | AbsintheSyringe: do you happen to have some mode1 set in Brasero? |
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| 20:09.52 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, just previously it wouldn't burn iso either, didn't check what the problem was |
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| 20:09.56 | AbsintheSyringe | ok |
| 20:10.08 | EmleyMoor | If I turn it up much the left channel drops right down |
| 20:10.09 | AbsintheSyringe | you know how I just solved that problem? just set it to 8x instead of max speed |
| 20:10.11 | AbsintheSyringe | :/ |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | ISOs sometimes will fail at highspeed |
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| 20:10.47 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, yea but this was just a dvd |
| 20:10.50 | AbsintheSyringe | data dvd |
| 20:10.57 | AbsintheSyringe | I always burn iso's on low speed |
| 20:11.29 | acu | simonrvn: I have no ideea wheter libgtk1.2 subprocess has anything to to with the sound - I am so confused by so many sound systems - ALSA, OSS and others (one emulate the other etc) and I have no clue where to start - Of course I went to Settings - Sound and Multimedia - Sound System and change from ALSA to OSS - restart etc - no avail |
| 20:12.51 | Gun_Smoke | Update Manager says there are 8 updates. aptitude shows none are available? So I'm trying to decide if it is just bad gui or if there are in fact updates. This is a fresh lenny install. |
| 20:12.58 | acu | do I need arts |
| 20:13.14 | simonrvn | acu: well, stick with alsa for starters, oss is pretty much dead except for very few drivers. have you tried to do the stuff in /msg dpkg alsa checklist yet? |
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| 20:13.24 | simonrvn | acu: it's not necessary, no. |
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| 20:13.40 | acu | so I have to remove all oss |
| 20:13.43 | asdzxc | enouf really doesn't know why it do nothing :( |
| 20:14.11 | lymeca_ | Okay so I use GRUB as my boot loader and it's installed to MBR but I went to APT to check what version I have and I have NO grub packages installed. |
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| 20:14.39 | simonrvn | acu: nah, just set your stuff to alsa in gnome, and /msg the bot |
| 20:14.49 | simonrvn | !tell acu about alsa checklist |
| 20:15.22 | enouf | asdzxc: sorry |
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| 20:17.22 | simonrvn | acu: the bot should have /msged you stuff in another window, take a read at that, and follow the steps |
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| 20:17.55 | acu | simonrvn: thanks - I am following the bot :) |
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| 20:18.26 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 20:18.57 | c0rleone | anyone can help me with some apt-get issues? i have no idea how fix http://pastebin.com/m5a21f10c |
| 20:18.58 | dvyjones | I have a rt73 USB network dongle. How do I set it up? |
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| 20:19.37 | amphi | I have forgotten - which 'illegal' numbers are those again? |
| 20:19.39 | simonrvn | !wb Guerin_ |
| 20:19.39 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Guerin_ has returned! |
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| 20:19.58 | LadyNikon | O.o |
| 20:20.07 | c0rleone | anyone? :P |
| 20:20.26 | Hodapp | amphi: HD-DVD key. |
| 20:20.42 | amphi | of course ;) thanks |
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| 20:21.10 | EmleyMoor | I thought one of the provisions of HD-Audio was that you could get output at both front and rear at the same time |
| 20:21.46 | amphi | sounds like _very_ bad dysentery |
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| 20:23.25 | EmleyMoor | amphi: Haha! |
| 20:23.33 | c0rleone | anyone can help me pleae |
| 20:23.37 | c0rleone | http://pastebin.com/m5a21f10c |
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| 20:25.30 | buntfalke | How to watch traffic on ttyS0 without influencing other applications? |
| 20:25.50 | c0rleone | shit man |
| 20:25.52 | c0rleone | no one? |
| 20:26.43 | buntfalke | ask a question, c0rleone |
| 20:27.08 | c0rleone | buntfalke: i cant remove courier-mta and i cant install nothing, look http://pastebin.com/m5a21f10c |
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| 20:27.38 | abrotman | c0rleone: you're mixing versions of debian .. |
| 20:27.51 | abrotman | c0rleone: if you want to remove courier-mta .. install something like ssmtp |
| 20:28.08 | c0rleone | abrotman man, i cant install nothing |
| 20:28.16 | dvyjones | How do I disable NetworkManager? |
| 20:28.27 | c0rleone | abrotman look |
| 20:28.33 | c0rleone | http://pastebin.com/m71002c7c |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | c0rleone: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright |
| 20:29.08 | petemc | ?[A |
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| 20:29.32 | c0rleone | abrotman still |
| 20:29.51 | merlo | dvyjones: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 20:30.00 | c0rleone | abrotman: still, cant install nothing |
| 20:30.34 | dvyjones | merlo: No such file or directory... |
| 20:32.05 | merlo | dvyjones: have a look in that directory and check for a a file whose name is similar to that. I'm using lenny, it may differ slightly if you use a different version |
| 20:32.14 | c0rleone | abrotman any idea ? |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | paste the output again |
| 20:32.56 | c0rleone | http://pastebin.com/m71002c7c |
| 20:32.59 | dvyjones | merlo: There's networking (the only one eith network in the name...) |
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| 20:33.06 | abrotman | no .. the one stufff |
| 20:33.08 | c0rleone | a complete one http://pastebin.com/m5a21f10c |
| 20:33.11 | simonrvn | dvyjones: that's not it |
| 20:33.22 | c0rleone | abrotman http://pastebin.com/m5a21f10c |
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| 20:33.27 | dvyjones | I'm running a fresh offline etch install... |
| 20:33.48 | dvyjones | And I need to disable it because I'm using the rt73 driver... |
| 20:34.02 | simonrvn | remove network-manager then |
| 20:34.07 | abrotman | c0rleone: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright && dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:34.20 | dvyjones | simonrvn: If it existed, I would do it :P |
| 20:34.31 | simonrvn | the package |
| 20:34.37 | dvyjones | oh |
| 20:34.38 | dvyjones | :P |
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| 20:34.50 | dvyjones | aptitude remove network-manager? |
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| 20:35.34 | dudeman | ahhh boy |
| 20:35.34 | c0rleone | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1ad34d03 |
| 20:35.51 | simonrvn | yes; make sure your /etc/network/interfaces is ok afterwards |
| 20:36.27 | dvyjones | Umm, what package is iwconfig in? |
| 20:36.49 | abrotman | c0rleone: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright.Debian.gz && dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:37.16 | simonrvn | judd: find bin/iwconfig --etch |
| 20:37.16 | judd | simonrvn: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 20:37.26 | abrotman | locate ? |
| 20:37.28 | c0rleone | abrotman same. |
| 20:37.31 | simonrvn | dpkg: find bin/iwconfig |
| 20:37.45 | c0rleone | abrotman http://pastebin.com/m1587f356 |
| 20:37.46 | simonrvn | judd: locate bin/iwconfig --etch |
| 20:37.47 | judd | simonrvn: Error: "locate" is not a valid command. |
| 20:37.50 | simonrvn | nope |
| 20:37.57 | simonrvn | i'll look at the module |
| 20:38.03 | abrotman | whoops |
| 20:38.11 | abrotman | c0rleone: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.changelog.Debian.gz && dpkg --configure -a |
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| 20:38.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/iwconfig' (1): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
| 20:38.42 | c0rleone | abrotman http://pastebin.com/m366ff6e7 |
| 20:38.44 | c0rleone | is ok now? |
| 20:38.53 | warty | i have to do the backup sending myself all the documents via email for hundred of mb |
| 20:39.02 | c0rleone | shit, cant remove courier-mta yet |
| 20:39.06 | simonrvn | find should work |
| 20:39.10 | abrotman | c0rleone: kind of .. |
| 20:39.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 20:39.16 | abrotman | don't remove courier-mta |
| 20:39.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: not my bot! |
| 20:39.25 | paxcoder | warty: what? |
| 20:39.31 | warty | now at the moment on the computer is running a livecd of edubuntu |
| 20:39.39 | warty | but i downloaded |
| 20:39.41 | simonrvn | dvyjones: ^^^ wireless-tools |
| 20:39.44 | c0rleone | abrotman k, what i should do now? |
| 20:39.47 | warty | debian for 40 mb |
| 20:40.00 | abrotman | c0rleone: fix the libc6 stuff .. |
| 20:40.07 | c0rleone | how |
| 20:40.10 | simonrvn | abrotman: http://vireo.org/tmp/plugin.py |
| 20:40.12 | abrotman | aptitude -f install |
| 20:40.12 | warty | the minimal installer |
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| 20:40.31 | c0rleone | ok |
| 20:40.39 | warty | how to install the system debian |
| 20:40.46 | abrotman | !tell warty about ig |
| 20:41.22 | warty | i got the iso on the desktop of pc |
| 20:41.28 | warty | what to do ? |
| 20:41.32 | c0rleone | thanks so much abrotman |
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| 20:41.34 | c0rleone | ur the man |
| 20:41.36 | c0rleone | kk |
| 20:41.59 | dvyjones | dpkg: find bin/dhcpdb |
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| 20:43.32 | abrotman | !tell dvyjones about apt-file |
| 20:43.39 | simonrvn | warty: read what the bot told you |
| 20:44.15 | warty | which bot ? |
| 20:44.48 | dvyjones | abrotman: Would be nice if I had net access :P |
| 20:44.55 | dvyjones | How do I set up dhcp? |
| 20:45.06 | simonrvn | dpkg ... |
| 20:45.06 | dpkg | simonrvn: what?! |
| 20:45.12 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 20:45.12 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
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| 20:46.00 | warty | 2.2.3. Hard Disk |
| 20:46.00 | warty | Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk. |
| 20:46.49 | warty | so i needed of an ubuntu to boot a debian ? |
| 20:47.30 | simonrvn | no... |
| 20:47.42 | simonrvn | burn the iso to a cd... duh |
| 20:47.51 | warty | i can't do it |
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| 20:48.16 | warty | is impossible to remove the cd is a live cd |
| 20:48.30 | warty | the system is running with a live cd |
| 20:48.34 | simonrvn | 16:41 < warty> i got the iso on the desktop of pc |
| 20:48.45 | itchi_ | warty: Is there not a "to ram" option? |
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| 20:48.56 | enouf | warty: many livecds like knoppix and even grml.org allow you to copy to HDD and launch from there so you can then remove the Booted CD and use the Burner |
| 20:48.59 | warty | i did the same |
| 20:49.06 | itchi_ | warty: I mean loading the live cd into the ram so you get your device free |
| 20:49.08 | simonrvn | stick with ubuntu, and do /join #ubuntu |
| 20:49.11 | warty | a copy of the iso on the Desktop |
| 20:49.15 | enouf | warty: google cheatcodes.txt |
| 20:49.49 | enouf | tohd= and fromhd= options |
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| 20:51.36 | itchi_ | Can i watch movies from cli? without X? |
| 20:51.47 | enouf | itchi_: yes, but ... |
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| 20:51.56 | enouf | it can be painful to get it to work |
| 20:51.59 | Heston | itchi_, yep, try mplayer |
| 20:52.05 | Heston | quite easy |
| 20:52.13 | enouf | itchi_: i use mplayer + svga for that |
| 20:52.15 | warty | i must to boot this debian |
| 20:52.16 | itchi_ | I don't want to logout yet :-p vm is busy |
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| 20:52.59 | enouf | Heston: which FB do you use - i haven't had any luck with directfb, not vidix/cvidix |
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| 20:53.25 | enouf | s/not/nor |
| 20:53.29 | Heston | enouf, i was using mplayer in the cli many years ago |
| 20:53.38 | Heston | im pretty sure i was using directfb |
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| 20:53.44 | itchi_ | mplayer some_movie just spam the console but no movie |
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| 20:53.54 | enouf | yeah, that was my initial choice too |
| 20:53.59 | itchi_ | I'm used to right click for such jobs :-) |
| 20:54.07 | dvyjones | How do I set up the dhcp client to use my hostname as the dhcp hostname? |
| 20:54.07 | enouf | itchi_: ... |
| 20:54.13 | warty | impossible to unmount the volume |
| 20:54.28 | enouf | i don't even use mplayer as GUI in X |
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| 20:54.51 | enouf | warty: you booted incorrectly |
| 20:55.04 | warty | is possible |
| 20:55.27 | warty | but the debian is on the hard drive |
| 20:55.32 | itchi_ | I don't have the mood to read these 8084 lines of man page :-) |
| 20:55.40 | warty | i must only to boot |
| 20:55.42 | enouf | itchi_: haha .. :-P |
| 20:55.55 | itchi_ | I wonder if one even did it |
| 20:56.14 | warty | now i quit |
| 20:56.23 | warty | and i reboot the os |
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| 20:56.37 | jdrake | What is the main difference between the 180mb cds and the 40mb cds for installation? |
| 20:57.04 | enouf | itchi_: it's extremely fb finicky, and depending on whether vga= (VESA) is loaded or not .. depends on your video card / Chipset as to which way to do it, and which options to use |
| 20:57.16 | jdrake | nvm |
| 20:57.41 | itchi_ | enouf: I booted with vga=791 if this help :-p |
| 20:57.46 | enouf | ARCH jdrake - or you're comparing a businesscard.iso to netinstall |
| 20:57.48 | dvyjones | What is MTA (Read: Do I need MTA? It uses a minute to start up... :O)? |
| 20:57.53 | enouf | itchi_: me too :-P |
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| 20:58.01 | jdrake | enouf, comparing |
| 20:58.05 | enouf | !mta |
| 20:58.05 | dpkg | [mta] Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
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| 20:58.45 | dvyjones | Might be faster whehn I get internet connection... |
| 20:58.55 | enouf | dvyjones: there's a very minimal mta package for satisfying dependencies, i think it's 'ssmtp' and perhaps others |
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| 20:59.24 | enouf | oh, duh - it would help if i read the factoid :-P |
| 20:59.36 | dvyjones | I'll get back to setting up my wireless connection tomorrow. |
| 20:59.38 | jdrake | Is the setup from lenny and etch different (option-wise). I need to install etch on a vm, and want to guide a friend through the entire process, but I already pointed him to a lenny version of it. Would want to save a download if they aren't much different setup wise. |
| 20:59.39 | dvyjones | See you then! |
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| 21:00.47 | simonrvn | dvyjones: the mta can be set to start properly when your network is up. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:00.56 | enouf | jdrake: well, yes, the installer has changed - but - i recall Etch even having "save screenshot" options so you can take screenshots of the actual installation screens |
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| 21:01.58 | enouf | jdrake: they should be saved in something like /var/log/{debian-}installer/* |
| 21:02.17 | jdrake | ok |
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| 21:02.40 | enouf | jdrake: tell him to read the installation guide ;-) |
| 21:03.00 | kaeles | any clue what unknown interrupt or fault at EIP [hexcode] [hexcode] [hexcode] means? |
| 21:03.08 | kaeles | I'm getting this when trying to do an install over the network |
| 21:03.14 | jdrake | enouf, I like being able to control it while its active |
| 21:03.21 | enouf | wow, can you be more vague kaeles ? |
| 21:03.31 | itchi_ | ah f*ck, 15 mins wondering why i don't have sound with my headset :-p |
| 21:03.34 | enouf | kaeles: seems like a panic or a segfault |
| 21:03.36 | abrotman | it's a kernel crash |
| 21:03.38 | kaeles | it happens right after the kernel boots |
| 21:03.47 | itchi_ | well, with the cable plugged it works :-O |
| 21:03.49 | kaeles | ok, thats what I was wondering, I didn't know for sure WHAT it was :P |
| 21:03.55 | simonrvn | something's making your kernel oops |
| 21:04.00 | enouf | itchi_: :-P |
| 21:04.28 | kaeles | hmm |
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| 21:20.46 | dudeman | 19 min of no chat |
| 21:20.55 | dudeman | whats going on? where are all the trolls? |
| 21:21.06 | Kovensky | dudeman: hopefully on #ubuntu |
| 21:21.13 | simonrvn | in #d oftc |
| 21:21.22 | dudeman | hmm |
| 21:21.35 | jdrake | dudeman, I can volunteer to be one of the trolls if you need one. |
| 21:21.51 | dudeman | yes I need a troll for my garden |
| 21:22.01 | dudeman | to scare the neighbourhood children |
| 21:22.10 | dudeman | are you up to the tas? |
| 21:22.12 | dudeman | task? |
| 21:22.48 | jdrake | dudeman, I can be put on a pedestal in your front garden and take the form of 'David', it will scare children for sure. |
| 21:23.14 | dudeman | ooookaaayy.... |
| 21:24.30 | simonrvn | you opened that door dudeman |
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| 21:25.30 | jdrake | dudeman, this could scare them just as well http://allvintagestore.com/Toys%20Pics/TM6%20Troll%20Naked.jpg |
| 21:25.38 | jdrake | This brings back memories: http://allvintagestore.com/Toys%20Misc.html |
| 21:25.38 | streuner | haha |
| 21:25.41 | jdrake | Vintage toys |
| 21:25.51 | jdrake | They have Furby! |
| 21:26.02 | stew | simonrvn: no find/locate yet. i have the data imported, but it takes way too long to import and search |
| 21:26.19 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 21:28.34 | seed_ | What is the package for git version control? |
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| 21:30.01 | Kovensky | seed_: git-core |
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| 21:30.21 | seed_ | Kovensky: yep I got it :) |
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| 21:40.24 | dmoerner | dpkg ping |
| 21:40.24 | dpkg | pong |
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| 21:51.13 | grzegorz129 | hi all! |
| 21:51.21 | grzegorz129 | i see on dmesg error like this: http://ggspam.pl/paste.html |
| 21:51.25 | grzegorz129 | my hdd is dead? |
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| 21:53.12 | Schnorrix | hi |
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| 21:55.59 | abrotman | grz |
| 21:56.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:57.27 | dudeman | dude |
| 21:57.32 | dudeman | did you try to go to that url? |
| 21:57.41 | dudeman | shit just reloads to a spam adv page or something |
| 21:57.57 | dudeman | crafty |
| 21:58.13 | abrotman | not for me |
| 22:01.36 | simonrvn | time for a /b perhaps |
| 22:01.47 | joltcan | well, it was called ggspam at least :) |
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| 22:06.57 | wawowe | my network manager applet in gnome has stopped working, it just says "No network connection" even though there is one. does anyone know how to fix this problem? |
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| 22:08.00 | vadmeste | wawowe, wireless ? |
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| 22:08.48 | wawowe | wired |
| 22:08.58 | wawowe | static ip |
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| 22:09.23 | simonrvn | i usually remove that braindead thing |
| 22:10.18 | wawowe | i thought it was pretty cool till it started acting like the thing from windows |
| 22:10.27 | themill | wawowe: nm-applet doesn't do configuration for static ip. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
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| 22:11.00 | vadmeste | themill, any alternative applet ? |
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| 22:11.33 | wawowe | oh that makes sense, (it was working when i was dhcp) |
| 22:12.11 | themill | vadmeste: /etc/network/interfaces :) Apparently a future version of nm will do static ip too |
| 22:14.42 | vadmeste | hey.. Anyone has "intel 3945" not working in lenny ? |
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| 22:15.56 | vadmeste | it's like I am the only one whose wifi doesn't work.. |
| 22:16.13 | Cornmeal | Newb alert: Does the amd64 architecture work on Intel Core 2 Duo processors? I'm going to have a Debian partition on my iMac Aluminum. |
| 22:16.20 | vadmeste | even when I reported a bug.. they said that it's configuration problem.. |
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| 22:16.52 | simonrvn | Cornmeal: yes, but be careful of your choice of bootloader |
| 22:16.53 | dmoerner | Cornmeal: yes, it does. |
| 22:17.11 | simonrvn | inhel macs don't use OF or BIOS |
| 22:17.43 | Cornmeal | simonrvn: Does it have something to do with EFI? I installed rEFIt. |
| 22:18.12 | simonrvn | yes, EFI. grub2 supports it, grub does too, and elilo is another choice |
| 22:18.31 | simonrvn | dunno wtf rEFIt is |
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| 22:19.03 | Cornmeal | I wouldn't want to use grub because I prefer the eye candy rEFIt provides. rEFIt is a bootloader for Mac users who want diff. partitions. |
| 22:19.23 | Cornmeal | Especially Linux partitions. |
| 22:20.34 | Cornmeal | I see there's an ia64. Is that different from amd64? Sorry, I'm inexperienced in architectures. I've only used x86 but now I want to take advantage of my Core 2 Duo. |
| 22:20.51 | dmoerner | ia64 is itanium, which is totally different other than being 64 bit |
| 22:21.16 | themill | !ia64 |
| 22:21.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 22:22.20 | Cornmeal | Thanks. |
| 22:22.27 | gladideg_ | I'm reinstalling debian, but same config files appear... :( I tried apt-get --purge remove .. and such with no luck .. HOw can I completly remove all assocaited files ? |
| 22:22.31 | gladideg_ | samba* not debian |
| 22:22.48 | themill | dpkg: tell gladideg_ about purge |
| 22:23.16 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell gladideg_ -about dotfiles |
| 22:23.24 | themill | gladideg_: the file you are looking for also might not be in the package you think it is in |
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| 22:23.53 | Cornmeal | Dang. 3 DVDs? That's huge. |
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| 22:24.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Cornmeal about netinstall |
| 22:24.21 | seed_ | what is the command which display the mouse cursor in tty consoles please |
| 22:24.26 | gladideg_ | the-dude, it's the smb.conf file for samba |
| 22:24.27 | Cornmeal | Thanks, I was about to ask about netinst |
| 22:24.29 | gladideg_ | themill * |
| 22:24.33 | Titan | !dpkg status lenny |
| 22:24.38 | dmoerner | seed_: gpm |
| 22:24.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Titan about lenny status |
| 22:24.54 | seed_ | dmoerner: thank you |
| 22:25.37 | themill | gladideg_: I think that's from samba-common |
| 22:26.02 | gladideg_ | themill, ah thanks |
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| 22:35.24 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 22:35.24 | dpkg | qotd100 is probably < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
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| 22:39.44 | olu | fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bon |
| 22:39.48 | olu | fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bonsaikitten xD fack you bon |
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| 22:40.01 | Elevator_Hazard | How would I change what hostname -f returns? I messed up on the installation so I need to know how to change the extension it uses. |
| 22:40.27 | simonrvn | what a dumbass |
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| 22:40.35 | simonrvn | !ops olu |
| 22:40.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: olu |
| 22:40.50 | mavhc | is the bonsaikitten site run on debian? |
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| 22:41.23 | simonrvn | ty |
| 22:41.26 | quittt | hello |
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| 22:44.22 | SparFux | How do you guys maintain the links in /etc? I got many stale links! |
| 22:44.53 | vadmeste | Hi. Does anyone have intel 3945 work in lenny ? |
| 22:44.57 | simonrvn | it's called maintenance ;) |
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| 22:46.09 | abrotman | !tell vadmeste about iwlwifi |
| 22:46.14 | themill | dpkg: tell vadmeste about doesn't work |
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| 22:46.23 | SparFux | maintenance? |
| 22:46.31 | SparFux | I know the program symlinks. |
| 22:46.44 | SparFux | But shouldn't debian care about the symlinks in /etc automatically? |
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| 22:47.02 | simonrvn | why should it? |
| 22:47.05 | vrv | Hello :) |
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| 22:47.26 | simonrvn | if you want it to, make it do so |
| 22:47.33 | SparFux | simonrvn: So that it doesn't leave a mess behind? |
| 22:47.47 | vrv | could anyone suggest: i hav messega: "No state present for card Intel", when trying to start alsa-utils start all, is anything possible to do? :) |
| 22:47.54 | vrv | *have |
| 22:48.04 | SparFux | simon: I only wannt it to if it makes sense. But perhaps somebody smarter than me had the idea it was beetter to not have it maintain the links in /etc :-) |
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| 22:48.22 | themill | SparFux: what links? |
| 22:48.24 | simonrvn | well that's just silly |
| 22:48.32 | SparFux | themill: /etc/alternative for the most. |
| 22:48.45 | themill | at last!! we have some clue what you're talking about |
| 22:48.54 | vadmeste | I can't make my intel 3945 works unless I execute this after booting system : "modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945".. I think it's a bug, I filed it but it's not accepted.. |
| 22:49.05 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 22:49.06 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 22:49.34 | themill | vadmeste: How are you configuring it? /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager? What's the bug number? |
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| 22:49.54 | SparFux | Try this: symlinks -r /etc/alternatives I bet you get dangling links! |
| 22:50.25 | simonrvn | /etc/alternatives: no such file or directory |
| 22:50.28 | simonrvn | :P |
| 22:50.55 | themill | *blink* |
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| 22:51.02 | Volcan | dae |
| 22:51.08 | SparFux | simon ;-) |
| 22:51.09 | simonrvn | 7.1-PRERELEASE |
| 22:51.15 | vadmeste | themill, it's bug 501193 |
| 22:51.16 | avu | -EOS |
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| 22:51.42 | SparFux | simon: anyway, symlinks is a nice tool! |
| 22:51.59 | vadmeste | themill, the LED doesn't work until I execute the command previously described.. |
| 22:52.12 | simonrvn | FreeBSD |
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| 22:52.21 | simonrvn | SparFux: yes it is |
| 22:52.33 | vadmeste | themill, if the LED works, all work fine.. |
| 22:52.42 | SparFux | I will erase the dangling links from my /etc with it. |
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| 22:52.47 | themill | vadmeste: How are you configuring it? /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager? |
| 22:52.48 | simonrvn | avu: -EOS is a kernel error, you probably want EOS :P |
| 22:53.18 | abrotman | SparFux: those are supposed to be there IIRC |
| 22:53.21 | avu | simonrvn, but you're not even using linux, this clearly is a kernel error! :) |
| 22:53.27 | simonrvn | haha |
| 22:53.34 | themill | vadmeste: btw you did a really good job of pissing off the maintainer in that bug by calling a minor bug "grave". |
| 22:53.38 | simonrvn | not this partition, no ;) |
| 22:53.39 | SparFux | abrotman: Why are they? They aren't pointing to a valid place anyways. |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | because things look for them |
| 22:54.15 | vadmeste | themill, you consider that a minor bug ? |
| 22:54.15 | SparFux | That doesn't make sense to me. |
| 22:54.27 | simonrvn | besides, /etc/alternatives links aren't crucial to a functioning system. |
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| 22:54.49 | abrotman | SparFux: fine .. just remove a bunch .. what's the worst that happens |
| 22:54.50 | vadmeste | themill, for me.. if it doesn't work at all, it will be grave.. |
| 22:55.05 | SparFux | abrotman: I can get errors!! |
| 22:55.07 | themill | vadmeste: very much so. There's a trivial workaround. There's no severe dataloss and the package is not completely unusable, it's just a little inconvenient |
| 22:55.23 | abrotman | SparFux: then leave them be |
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| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | OHNOZ ERROPRSW!!!11 |
| 22:55.38 | themill | vadmeste: but it does work. You can't say "it doesn't work at all" and then give a trivial workaround. |
| 22:55.44 | SparFux | abrotman: I didn't get errors. I mean, it's the worst thing that can happen, getting errors. |
| 22:55.53 | abrotman | or something fails |
| 22:56.02 | Arrowmaster | stupid question, running debian on an old toshiba laptop with a 600mhz p3, but /proc/cpuinfo says 342.471 Mhz, somethings wrong right? |
| 22:56.06 | quittt | which ISO should I download? |
| 22:56.19 | simonrvn | errors aren't bad, they tell you something needs attention, same as warnings. |
| 22:57.34 | vadmeste | themill, maybe... but it's not my point of view.. If I was developer, I consider that bug "grave" because most users cannot use iwlwifi cause of the tiny error |
| 22:58.09 | themill | vadmeste: "most"? come on.... |
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| 22:59.41 | vadmeste | themill, btw, that makes me wonder why I am the only user of lenny that has iwl3945 don't work.. |
| 23:00.46 | vadmeste | themill, can I chat directly to the maintainer ? |
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| 23:01.17 | themill | vadmeste: you may as well try to work out if there is way around it here first. |
| 23:01.26 | Elevator_Hazard | How do I change my domain extension thing? when I set it at the install I set it to the wrong thing and I'd like to change it. The only thing I know how to change is the hostname. |
| 23:02.06 | simonrvn | dnsdomainname |
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| 23:05.18 | vadmeste | themill, so what can I do now ? |
| 23:05.43 | themill | [23:52] <themill> vadmeste: How are you configuring it? /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager? |
| 23:06.01 | vadmeste | themill, you are not understanding me.. |
| 23:06.15 | vadmeste | themill, I didn't reached this step yet.. |
| 23:06.25 | themill | clearly, I've asked three times and you've not answered me |
| 23:06.30 | vadmeste | themill, the LED doesn't light |
| 23:06.43 | lkni | hi all, although listed in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as - blacklist sky2 - the sky2 module is loaded at boot time |
| 23:08.36 | lkni | can someone help me with preventing that sky2 module being loaded? |
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| 23:09.16 | themill | vadmeste: ok, let's ask this question in another way. How do you want to configure the network? /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager? |
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| 23:09.34 | vadmeste | themill, network-manager |
| 23:11.05 | themill | vadmeste: and before you modprobe -r/modprobe, does the device appear in iwconfig? or in ifconfig -a? |
| 23:11.13 | gladideg_ | Trying to connect to samba from windows. I get the u/p box and insert user windows with password... I have setup smbpasswd and useradd for user: windows , and smb.conf = http://pastebin.com/d79f3f8c2 - |
| 23:11.27 | vadmeste | themill, wait until I reboot |
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| 23:17.31 | vadmeste | themill, yeah.. "wlan0" appears in iwconfig |
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| 23:18.12 | themill | vadmeste: but network manager is unable to configure it? |
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| 23:19.16 | vadmeste | themill, iwlist wlan0 scanning => wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 23:19.30 | themill | vadmeste: if you follow the instructions on the debian wiki for configuration via /e/n/interfaces (including the pre-up command that is suggested) does that solve your problem? |
| 23:20.34 | vadmeste | themill, iwlist wlan0 scanning => wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 23:21.04 | themill | what command gave you that? |
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| 23:21.25 | vadmeste | themill, "iwlist wlan0 scanning" |
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| 23:23.39 | themill | vadmeste: did you try the pre-up command? You should try asking in #ipw2100 |
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| 23:25.43 | vadmeste | themill, sorry, I dont' know what's pre-up command... |
| 23:26.48 | themill | vadmeste: did you read the wiki page? |
| 23:27.14 | vadmeste | themill, just give me the address... :p |
| 23:27.35 | vadmeste | i got it |
| 23:27.54 | themill | vadmeste: dpkg did 45 min ago. |
| 23:30.46 | vadmeste | themill, waww.. that works now.. |
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| 23:31.51 | themill | :) |
| 23:32.08 | vadmeste | themill, but how can I make lenny wake up wlan0 automatically ? |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 23:32.54 | vadmeste | ok |
| 23:33.14 | themill | vadmeste: you could consider adding "ip link set wlan0 up" to your startup scripts if you want to keep using network manager, else follow the wiki instructions and man 5 interfaces and man 7 wireless. |
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| 23:35.55 | vadmeste | themill, thanks a lot.. |
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| 23:36.49 | lewis2 | If root has a crontab which deletes everything in /home/user/working_folder every night, what happens if the user deletes working_folder, and creates a symbolic link from working_folder to /. would that delete everything? |
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| 23:39.10 | themill | lewis2: using find with the -P option and -delete might be preferable. /msg dpkg using find |
| 23:40.24 | Wyzard | lewis2: Yes, and that's what's known as a symlink attack |
| 23:40.37 | lewis2 | gosh |
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| 23:41.29 | Wyzard | There are similar concerns regarding creation of files in /tmp -- if an attacker can predict what filename a root process is going to open, he can create a symlink with that name and cause root to potentially overwrite system files |
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| 23:42.06 | Wyzard | That sort of thing is avoided by defensive programming (e.g. opening the file with a flag that says to fail if the requested name already exists) |
| 23:42.17 | Wyzard | root's crontab should be written defensively too |
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| 23:44.06 | muddd | good to know |
| 23:44.11 | muddd | sneaky buggers |
| 23:44.14 | extor | christ so many attacks |
| 23:44.27 | muddd | joor bases belong to dem |
| 23:44.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: good job .. you scared the kids |
| 23:44.34 | muddd | heh |
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| 23:44.36 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 23:44.54 | extor | speaking of which, why doesnt lenny implement selinux policies enabled by default already like fedora does |
| 23:44.58 | LadyNikon | isnt bonsai in #gentoo? |
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| 23:49.58 | vadmeste | themill, I don't wanna to bother you.. but still one problem, this time I can't find any wireless device in nm-applet as I don't have wifi.. (to remember, my previous problem is solved by only typing : "ip link set wlan0 up") |
| 23:51.16 | Akuw | is there any application to print cd labels? |
| 23:51.53 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:51.59 | nxmehta | logrotate.conf is setup for me to rotate every week, yet i see the syslog file being rotated daily. can anyone tell me why that would be? |
| 23:52.19 | dmoerner | Akuw: cd-circleprint |
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| 23:52.36 | simonrvn | just general practice |
| 23:52.42 | vadmeste | Akuw, cdlabelgen |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | glabel |
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| 23:53.34 | bzed | nxmehta: /etc/logrotate.d/*syslog* |
| 23:54.10 | nxmehta | bzed: yeah, checked there, nothing referencing syslog |
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