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| 00:05.59 | go8ose | I've got a strange problem. On a new vlan interface I've created, I can only ping other machines for 10 seconds, then the kernel seems to loose the device, and 'ip neigh' shows some odd results |
| 00:06.44 | go8ose | Anyone got any thoughts for how to debug? I've written what I've found so far up on http://cromp.id.au/blog/ping_vlan_problem.html |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | go8ose: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:08.23 | go8ose | yep |
| 00:08.52 | go8ose | I get an UP flag as well, and the address I expect |
| 00:09.32 | abrotman | any chance of an IP conflict ? |
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| 00:10.33 | abrotman | can you ping the IP itself like ping -I vlan100 192.168.223.1 ? |
| 00:10.48 | go8ose | yes |
| 00:10.58 | go8ose | I'm running that now, to see if it stops after 10 seconds.... |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | bad route? IP conflict? |
| 00:11.02 | go8ose | no, it doesn't stop |
| 00:11.41 | go8ose | it can route the packet for the first 10 seconds, so it doesnt' appear to be a routing or IP conflict |
| 00:12.05 | go8ose | I didn't mention, but if I leave it for sometime between 5 and 10 minutes, the problem 'resets', ie I can ping for another 10 seconds |
| 00:12.40 | go8ose | What I think is particular strange is the output of the 'ip neigh' command, showing the address on interface eth0 as well as vlan100 |
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| 00:17.33 | abrotman | is there a difference between 'route -n' output when it's working vs failing? |
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| 00:19.45 | go8ose | there was no difference in the output from 'ip route' between working and failing |
| 00:19.58 | go8ose | I'm assuming the story with 'route -n' output would be the same |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | and you're sure there's no ip conflict? |
| 00:21.39 | go8ose | it's a new vlan, and hence a new IP subnet. I'm reasonably confident it has never been used before, and that I'm the only one that has allocated addresses to it. There has only been a small number of IPs allocated so far... |
| 00:21.49 | go8ose | so yes, I'm confident there is no IP conflict |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | are you trying to ping another machine on the vlan or somewhere else? |
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| 00:26.00 | go8ose | On the vlan |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | and you never lose the ability to ping itself .. |
| 00:26.40 | go8ose | the other device in this case is an Access Point, which is configured for tagged packets on vlan100, but I have the same problem if I ping an eee pc plugged into an untagged port |
| 00:26.44 | go8ose | thats rights |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | does the main interface drop also ? |
| 00:26.58 | go8ose | no |
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| 00:27.20 | go8ose | in fact, on vlan9, I can ping whatever I like for as long as I like, the same on the other vlans I've already got |
| 00:27.33 | go8ose | The problem only appears to show up on vlan100, which I created last week |
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| 00:28.12 | abrotman | if you ping that IP from another machine on the vlan .. same thing? |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | and does the MAC match what you expect it to? |
| 00:28.47 | go8ose | the MAC does match what I expect |
| 00:29.05 | go8ose | If I ping between two completely different devices on that vlan, I have no problem. |
| 00:29.07 | abrotman | and the pinging from another host on the vlan ? |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | pinging from another to that problem ip |
| 00:29.33 | simonrvn | wth... sounds lke the other host has a problem |
| 00:29.35 | go8ose | err, so yes, from another machine on that vlan I can ping that IP |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | with no issues? |
| 00:30.04 | go8ose | and I have the same problem if I ping from the linux router to a different IP address, |
| 00:30.58 | go8ose | correct, no issues, I only have issues when doing pings from the linux router |
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| 00:32.30 | shivraj | I changed my resolution to an undesirable one ... whats the name of the application so I can run it, I cant see the tool bar :) |
| 00:32.43 | go8ose | simonrvn: the other host doesn't have a problem. To clarify, from the *linux router*, I have problems. However between the *access point*, and two *linux laptops* that I've tried on vlan100, I didn't have any ping problems |
| 00:33.14 | go8ose | shivraj: xrandr ? |
| 00:33.19 | simonrvn | ah ok. your n/w topo wasn't clear (having come in the middle of the convo...) |
| 00:33.39 | go8ose | simonrvn: no worries |
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| 00:33.41 | shivraj | noo |
| 00:33.42 | shivraj | the gnome app |
| 00:33.49 | shivraj | how do I use xrandr then ? |
| 00:34.03 | simonrvn | gnome-screen-properties iirc .... never heard of tab completion? ;) |
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| 00:34.28 | go8ose | shivraj: I've got grandr running as a gnome applet, but sounds like simonrvn has what you want |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | probably use the same backend |
| 00:34.49 | simonrvn | xrandr is simpler, but won't "save your esolution" (which you can do anyway if you use an ~/.xsession...) |
| 00:35.05 | simonrvn | res* |
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| 00:36.45 | dudeman | hi |
| 00:37.00 | shivraj | nope none of those work |
| 00:37.13 | shivraj | there is no gnome-screen-properties simonrvn |
| 00:37.40 | shivraj | I set it to 1600x1024 I want 1280x1024 |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | gnome-display-properties |
| 00:38.29 | simonrvn | TAB COMPLETION ;) |
| 00:38.57 | shivraj | simonrvn: huh TAB COMPLETION ? |
| 00:39.32 | jetscreamer | you genius you |
| 00:39.42 | jetscreamer | hit tab, it completes something... |
| 00:39.46 | dudeman | jetscreamer, hit tab |
| 00:39.47 | dudeman | doh |
| 00:39.53 | dudeman | shivraj, type few letters of nickname, and hit tab |
| 00:39.55 | keith4_ | that's crazy talk |
| 00:39.58 | simonrvn | you press tab after you've typed a coupla letters in a terminal like gnome-<tab> , sometimes twice in bash, and get gnome- then a list of executables matching that |
| 00:40.09 | dudeman | (if you irc client doesn't support tab/nick completion, ditch it and get another one) |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | they're not talking about IRC tab complete |
| 00:40.40 | shivraj | dudeman: ohh ... yeah I tried that didnt see display at first .. thanks a lot |
| 00:40.42 | jetscreamer | that's why i made my 'response' generic |
| 00:43.05 | go8ose | how do I work out how much memory the kernel is using? |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 00:45.05 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | or you mean just the kernel ? |
| 00:45.49 | go8ose | !swapwake |
| 00:45.49 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 00:46.16 | go8ose | abrotman: I'm wondering if my ping problems are due to a bug, or due to a resource problem |
| 00:46.32 | nxmehta | where can i read the log for the boot up process? /var/log/boot says "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | !tell nxmehta about bootlog |
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| 00:47.06 | shivraj | yeah cache is really nice ... |
| 00:47.21 | shivraj | I got 2 gig ... the more computer is on the faster it gets |
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| 00:47.32 | nxmehta | abrotman: thanks (wow, there's a canned response for that!) |
| 00:47.59 | shivraj | I only got 1 gig free ... if it buffers teh memory the faster my little 3800+ machine runs |
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| 00:51.35 | gladideg_ | folder exist, permissions are correct for the user trying to conncet, with r/w access |
| 00:51.40 | gladideg_ | oops wrong |
| 00:51.57 | gladideg_ | I get this error when trying to connect to a sambashare from Windows client. '/home/fileserver/fileserver' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [allusers] Error was Permission denied - Any suggestions? Tried everything |
| 00:52.12 | gladideg_ | **ยค% spamming with wrong pastes omg... |
| 00:52.35 | gladideg_ | Here I go again :-/ I'm creating a network bridge. My router is 192.168.0.1 - What is wrong with this config? (Can't get it on the 192.168.0.* lan with this config: http://pastebin.com/d10a20ddc ? |
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| 00:53.42 | phish` | Where can i download the source to libperl-dev? I can't use apt-get since i'm a limited use but i need this package to compile an application. Any help? :D |
| 00:53.47 | keith4_ | gladideg_: set eth0 to 'manual', too |
| 00:54.37 | gladideg_ | keith4, bridge_ports eth0 manual ? |
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| 00:54.44 | keith4_ | no |
| 00:54.55 | keith4_ | wait |
| 00:54.55 | gladideg_ | I'm totaly new to briding and I've tried to read all articles existing, can't get it |
| 00:55.03 | go8ose | phish`: browse for the package on packages.debian.org, you'll eventually find a link where you can download the .tar.gz, the .dsc and the .diff.gz |
| 00:55.10 | keith4_ | why are you bridging a single interface? |
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| 00:56.01 | bewpy | i just installed a counter-strike server on my linux computer and it created some folder im not able to access or delete.. they have a red X on them and a Lock, i need to get into these folder to edit some files.. idk how to do this =/ |
| 00:56.17 | gladideg_ | keith4, I try to hook the VM guest I have running with Qemu onto the same network as the host |
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| 00:56.37 | keith4_ | gladideg_: this is how my bridge is set up: http://pastebin.com/m4663aff6 |
| 00:56.44 | keith4_ | but it's bridging two physical interfaces |
| 00:57.01 | keith4_ | qemu doesn't automate that? |
| 00:57.03 | dudeman | the hell? |
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| 00:57.59 | gladideg_ | keith4, hmm... I hope not, because I've spent hours trying to figure it out. I'm gonna check google again |
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| 00:58.54 | keith4_ | gladideg_: so you're following this? http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html |
| 00:59.24 | gladideg_ | keith4, I've tried to follow that one. But as I now look, it seems that it explains how to hook Qemu to already existing bridge? |
| 00:59.30 | gladideg_ | http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian <- I'm looking at this now |
| 01:00.03 | bewpy | anyone know? |
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| 01:00.53 | gladideg_ | bewpy, do you have permission to access the folder? |
| 01:01.27 | bewpy | well i should |
| 01:01.32 | bewpy | lol, its my computer |
| 01:01.37 | bewpy | only one account on the computer |
| 01:01.46 | keith4_ | wrong |
| 01:02.27 | gladideg_ | bewpy, open terminal and go to the folder and write: ls -la and see who is owner, and what r/w permissions is applied |
| 01:03.54 | bewpy | i did all that but i dont know what im looking for =x |
| 01:04.02 | bewpy | alot of stuff came up |
| 01:04.06 | bewpy | for all the files in that folder |
| 01:08.41 | go8ose | my ping problem seems to have gone away. I did an 'ifdown vlan100; ifup vlan100' earlier, it's possible that it's worked since then. I'm still miffed, but glad it's working now |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | go8ose: yeah .. but will it come back |
| 01:09.45 | go8ose | abrotman: fingers crossed |
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| 01:11.04 | go8ose | abrotman: thanks for talking it through with me |
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| 01:11.18 | abrotman | go8ose: i didn't fix anything :) |
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| 01:12.51 | go8ose | abrotman: yeah, but it appears to be working now, and you were around at the time :) |
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| 01:13.33 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 01:14.06 | simonrvn | sometimes shit just works, when it seems it doesn't but can't see anything wrong with it.... |
| 01:15.15 | go8ose | simonrvn: yeah, I've been in that situation before. But I've also been in situations where I've been completely miffed, and then I've understood something, and really understood the problem (and the right fix). |
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| 01:15.28 | go8ose | I prefer being in the second situation, of the two |
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| 01:18.20 | simonrvn | *nod* |
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| 01:21.56 | snowrichard | I am running the smp kernel on a compaq es-40 alpha system. I get log messages about "can't allocate 8 bytes per-cpu data". Is this a problem? |
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| 01:38.58 | veganlion | :( |
| 01:39.47 | keith4_ | where can I find linux-header packages that are no longer available in repos? |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | !tell keith4_ about sdn |
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| 01:40.36 | keith4_ | awwww sweet |
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| 01:46.38 | keith4_ | ah, screw it. i'll just upgrade the kernel |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 02:11.45 | LeoDing | my wireless was not connect ,i use iwconfig and dhclient get ip,but nerver get ... |
| 02:11.53 | LeoDing | how can i do ? |
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| 02:14.31 | keith4_ | LeoDing: if dhclient gets an IP, you're connected |
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| 02:17.19 | LeoDing | keith4: please wait ... |
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| 02:17.28 | shivraj | LeoDing: huh ? |
| 02:17.36 | shivraj | is your network card detected ? |
| 02:17.45 | lufthanza | anyone feel like helping me troubleshoot a pxe problem? |
| 02:18.13 | shivraj | LeoDing: what does ifconfig -a show ? |
| 02:18.31 | shivraj | LeoDing: "ifconfig -a" |
| 02:19.05 | shivraj | LeoDing: use "iwconfig essid 'interface name' 'essid of router' " |
| 02:19.24 | lufthanza | no one? |
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| 02:21.05 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:21.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:21.46 | shivraj | LeoDing: also try 'iwlist 'interface name' scan' |
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| 02:21.56 | LeoDing | please see http://paste.debian.net/18633/ ,there is my setting step of eth1(wireless) |
| 02:22.17 | lufthanza | abrotman: fine |
| 02:22.41 | manu_hack | I found that alltray when used with iceweasel3, it caused iceweasel3 to use like 25% of my 2.5G Mem, however, without alltray, iceweasel3 is only using 6% of total mem, so it's alltray problem? |
| 02:22.41 | lufthanza | abrotman: when I try to netboot using a pxe server I set up, it stalls on tftp. |
| 02:22.45 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.52 | shivraj | LeoDing: I dont just do iwconfig and dhclient .. I dont have anything in interfaces |
| 02:23.55 | shivraj | I do it manually |
| 02:24.48 | abrotman | lufthanza: i didn't say i knew anythinga bout it .. but i had better luck with atftpd than tftpd |
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| 02:25.17 | lufthanza | abrotman: i got a "file not found" error with aftpd |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | it's been a long time since i used tftp |
| 02:27.05 | Maliuta | lufthanza: atftpd right? |
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| 02:27.22 | Maliuta | lufthanza: are you sure you have it pointed at the right directory? |
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| 02:27.42 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and that the permissions on that file allow the right user to read it? |
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| 02:28.20 | lufthanza | Maliuta: just a sec |
| 02:29.53 | lufthanza | Maliuta: where do I look at the config file for atftpd again? |
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| 02:30.28 | Maliuta | lufthanza: I am running mine from inet so /etc/inetd.conf |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | that's the way it's normally run |
| 02:30.54 | lufthanza | tftp dgram udp4 wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /var/lib/tftpboot <- my tftp config |
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| 02:31.22 | lufthanza | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.01 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and the files that are in there? |
| 02:32.13 | Maliuta | can the "nobody" user read them? |
| 02:32.20 | lufthanza | yes |
| 02:32.22 | lufthanza | and yes |
| 02:32.32 | Maliuta | lufthanza: what is the exact error msg that you are getting? |
| 02:32.52 | lufthanza | used 'chown -R nobody /var/lib/tftpboot' |
| 02:33.04 | lufthanza | just a sec, gotta start the other comp quick |
| 02:33.48 | lufthanza | also, for some reason my inetd does not have an init.d entry. |
| 02:34.02 | Maliuta | When requesting help a synopsis of the problem, exact error messages and configuration information should be on hand |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | lufthanza: it's /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
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| 02:34.51 | lufthanza | ah |
| 02:35.01 | lufthanza | it's still timing out |
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| 02:35.05 | lufthanza | on tftp |
| 02:35.26 | Maliuta | did you restart inetd after making the conf changes? |
| 02:35.32 | lufthanza | manually, yes |
| 02:35.45 | Maliuta | "timing out" is that the file or the tftp connection? |
| 02:35.58 | lufthanza | tftp connection |
| 02:36.09 | Maliuta | firewall issues? |
| 02:36.19 | Maliuta | network issues? |
| 02:36.25 | lufthanza | shouldn't be any |
| 02:36.36 | lufthanza | the server and computer connect |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | can you telnet to the port? |
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| 02:38.41 | lufthanza | here is the config for the dhcpd installed on my router... dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,192.168.1.144 |
| 02:38.52 | lufthanza | abrotman: haven't tried it |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | probably should |
| 02:39.10 | lufthanza | abrotman: what is the standard port for atftpd |
| 02:39.24 | Maliuta | lufthanza: pastebin the entire config |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | $ grep tftp /etc/services |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | tftp 69/udp |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | oh duh .. udp .. ignore that telnet stuff |
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| 02:40.13 | lufthanza | Maliuta: the router firmware controls the rest of the config, i can only add options to it |
| 02:40.19 | corp-mule | . |
| 02:42.15 | Maliuta | lufthanza: if you are trying to do tftp/pxe you normally need to be able to tell things where to get configs from |
| 02:42.18 | veganlion | Is it true they do Dallas, regularly? |
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| 02:42.47 | abrotman | veganlion: do you need help ? |
| 02:43.04 | Maliuta | lufthanza: this is done with "next-server" in dhcp |
| 02:43.52 | lufthanza | Maliuta: i see. I was led to believe this one line "dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,192.168.1.144" was enough |
| 02:43.53 | rotciv | to upgrade from etch to lenny is recommended to use aptitude or apt-get? is there any difference between them? |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | !tell rotciv about why aptitude |
| 02:44.41 | avu | !tell rotciv about etch->lenny |
| 02:44.58 | rotciv | thank you abrotman and avu :D |
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| 02:45.42 | lufthanza | btw, my router uses DNSmasq for it's dhcpd server |
| 02:45.47 | Maliuta | lufthanza: well it seems obvious to me that it's not pointing to the correct tftp server |
| 02:45.48 | lufthanza | if that's important |
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| 02:46.07 | rotciv | just aptitude dist-upgrade or aptitude upgrade then aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 02:46.23 | avu | rotciv, read what the bot wrote |
| 02:46.25 | avu | !tell rotciv about etch->lenny |
| 02:46.26 | lufthanza | well, I mean, 192.168.1.144 is my server, as is the dns name macserver |
| 02:46.50 | veganlion | is anyone porting the vista-kernel to debian? |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | veganlion: stop trolling |
| 02:47.57 | Maliuta | lufthanza: but the booting machine isn't pointing at that |
| 02:48.14 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you could try sniffing the network to see where it is trying to connect |
| 02:48.31 | rotciv | gnome-deskto-enviroment is gnome itself? aptitude dist-upgrade is about to remove it... |
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| 02:48.38 | rotciv | gnome-desktop-enviroment* |
| 02:48.48 | rotciv | environment* |
| 02:48.51 | avu | rotciv, it's just a meta package |
| 02:49.07 | rotciv | alright, then i'll procceed |
| 02:49.23 | lufthanza | Maliuta: is there a command line utility for doing that? |
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| 02:50.02 | Maliuta | lufthanza: tcpdump ... there are a few of them |
| 02:50.35 | Maliuta | you want to know what you are doing though, and try to have as little traffic on the segment |
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| 02:51.11 | Maliuta | you should also make sure that traffic will be visble where you run it (switches might not pass it everywhere) |
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| 02:53.08 | corp-mule | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F4899A44E8F3D66C |
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| 02:56.29 | mxmx | whats up |
| 02:56.40 | ham5 | debian! |
| 02:56.43 | Maliuta | the roof? the sky? planes? |
| 02:56.44 | mxmx | when i run /usr/sbin/cron, i get this message: /usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 8628: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 02:56.50 | mxmx | does anyone know how i can fix that? |
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| 02:56.56 | mxmx | hey maliuta |
| 02:56.57 | ham5 | run as root? |
| 02:57.00 | mxmx | how's australia? |
| 02:57.02 | lufthanza | Maliuta: it seems to be interacting with my server |
| 02:57.04 | mxmx | yes , as root |
| 02:57.16 | gumpish | oh look it's corp-mule here to make a difference |
| 02:57.23 | Maliuta | lufthanza: so the inet server isn't running properly |
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| 02:57.47 | abrotman | corp-mule: dont' spam here |
| 02:57.47 | Maliuta | lufthanza: try /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart as root |
| 02:57.51 | lufthanza | Maliuta: there's a flurry of activity on tcpdump when the netboot starts, and a computer "192.168.1.146" starts attempting to communicate with macserver |
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| 02:58.15 | lufthanza | Maliuta: did recently |
| 02:58.17 | avu | mxmx, well, have you checked that the pid listed in this file doesn't exist? |
| 02:58.39 | lufthanza | Maliuta: as soon as you guys told me about openbsd-inetd in fact |
| 02:58.39 | Maliuta | lufthanza: are you sure that tcp dump showed traffic headed for the tftp port on the linux box? |
| 02:58.40 | avu | mxmx, if it really doesn't the probably was an unclean cron shutdown or crash, remove the file manually before starting cron again |
| 02:58.46 | biswajit | has anyone got xen working in lenny? |
| 02:58.51 | mxmx | yes |
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| 02:59.01 | mxmx | my company had to reboot my server |
| 02:59.01 | lufthanza | Maliuta: i can double check |
| 02:59.07 | mxmx | ok |
| 02:59.13 | lufthanza | Maliuta: how do I check my tftpd port? |
| 02:59.23 | iamwoody | netstat -tpln |
| 02:59.36 | mxmx | demove cron.pid right? |
| 02:59.43 | lufthanza | iamwoody: thanks |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | lufthanza: it's 69 unless you chnaged it |
| 02:59.52 | mxmx | *remove |
| 02:59.52 | avu | mxmx, it's really quite clear in the error message.. |
| 02:59.53 | Maliuta | lufthanza: if the inet server has "tftp" at the begining of the line it will use /etc/services to determine it |
| 03:00.01 | mxmx | not fora noob like me |
| 03:00.05 | avu | mxmx, maybe you should let an adminsitrator do this |
| 03:00.23 | mxmx | i own the box |
| 03:00.25 | biswajit | mxmx: you have xen 3.2 working in lenny? any tips / link to howto? thanks |
| 03:00.30 | Maliuta | lufthanza: also you should keep a tail of /var/log/daemon.log going, that's where atftpd will log |
| 03:00.47 | lufthanza | will tcpdump | grep 69 work? |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | no |
| 03:00.56 | lufthanza | :/ |
| 03:01.10 | lufthanza | brb |
| 03:01.19 | avu | lufthanza, tcpdump -i ethn port 69 |
| 03:01.23 | avu | lufthanza, man tcpdump |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | does tcpdump do udp ? |
| 03:01.35 | avu | yes |
| 03:01.42 | avu | the name is quite missleading in fact |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it didn't |
| 03:01.48 | avu | it also does arp for example |
| 03:01.52 | Maliuta | should be netdump |
| 03:02.04 | avu | yeah, something like that |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | dump is already taken! |
| 03:02.18 | avu | indeed it is |
| 03:02.19 | ameyer | maybe it used to only do tcp, then they added other protocols? |
| 03:02.24 | avu | maybe |
| 03:02.28 | ameyer | pulled that out of his rear |
| 03:02.45 | gumpish | stands back |
| 03:02.49 | avu | if so, that adding of protocols must have been years ago though |
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| 03:03.05 | Maliuta | back when I were a lad .... |
| 03:03.39 | lufthanza | Maliuta: http://pastebin.com/m45c8ce7e <- my daemon.log |
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| 03:04.55 | Maliuta | lufthanza: that looks like you are starting atftp as a standalone service |
| 03:05.21 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you need to do one or the other, not both |
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| 03:05.33 | lufthanza | Maliuta: just used /etc/init.d/aftpd start |
| 03:05.45 | Maliuta | lufthanza: because of the nature of tftp I would recommend just using inetd |
| 03:06.04 | Maliuta | lufthanza: shouldn't have done that while inetd wants to run it |
| 03:06.17 | lufthanza | Maliuta: stopped it then |
| 03:06.34 | lufthanza | Maliuta: should i remove atftpd? or leave that installed |
| 03:06.45 | Maliuta | leave it installed |
| 03:07.12 | Maliuta | just run a stop on /etc/init.d/atftpd |
| 03:07.23 | jonhnash | when the gnome 2.24 will be in sid? |
| 03:07.37 | lufthanza | Mali |
| 03:07.39 | Maliuta | lufthanza: then I want to see ls -l /usr/sbin/in.tftpd |
| 03:07.41 | avu | jonhnash, sometime in the future |
| 03:07.45 | lufthanza | Maliuta: k |
| 03:07.47 | avu | jonhnash, not before lenny is released |
| 03:07.52 | avu | jonhnash, sooner if you help |
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| 03:08.03 | avu | jonhnash, when it's ready |
| 03:08.13 | avu | jonhnash, other standard answer to such questions |
| 03:08.36 | jonhnash | when is release of lenny? |
| 03:08.49 | avu | jonhnash, sooner if you help |
| 03:08.50 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you also might want to restart the inetd daemon |
| 03:08.51 | avu | jonhnash, when it's ready |
| 03:08.53 | avu | jonhnash, other standard answer to such questions |
| 03:08.56 | jonhnash | lol |
| 03:09.00 | lufthanza | Maliuta: k |
| 03:09.02 | jonhnash | which date |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | there is no date |
| 03:09.13 | jonhnash | sure? |
| 03:09.13 | avu | jonhnash, read what I wrote |
| 03:09.16 | avu | yes, sure. |
| 03:09.27 | avu | it's released when it's ready |
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| 03:10.34 | jonhnash | ok and do you know if can compiled gnome 2.24? |
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| 03:10.47 | abrotman | you can try .. |
| 03:10.54 | lufthanza | Maliuta: it links to atftpd |
| 03:11.01 | keith4_ | !wwlr |
| 03:11.01 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 03:11.15 | keith4_ | still plenty of "second half of 2008" left |
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| 03:11.24 | Maliuta | lufthanza: right, you should be good to retry a boot of that machine |
| 03:11.41 | Maliuta | lufthanza: keep an eye on that tail of daemon.log (use tail -f) |
| 03:12.08 | lufthanza | Maliuta: reboot macserver? there goes my uptime :( |
| 03:12.32 | Maliuta | no reboot the thing that want the tftp |
| 03:12.38 | Maliuta | the pxe thing |
| 03:12.41 | lufthanza | Maliuta: k |
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| 03:13.47 | mxmx | soc ana nyone help me sort thisout? i ahve 2 corn jobs running and i only ened 1 |
| 03:13.59 | mxmx | *ned |
| 03:14.01 | mxmx | need |
| 03:14.07 | lufthanza | Maliuta: no change yet |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | mxmx: corn? |
| 03:14.15 | Maliuta | been ages since I used tftp for a machine (I used to use xterms). I mainly use it for phones now |
| 03:14.18 | mxmx | hehe |
| 03:14.19 | mxmx | cron |
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| 03:14.33 | avu | mxmx, just kill one of them? |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | mxmx: soc ? ana? nyone ? thisout ? :) |
| 03:14.43 | avu | :) |
| 03:14.44 | mxmx | aw |
| 03:14.54 | avu | mxmx, or maybe go to bed first? ;) |
| 03:14.55 | iamwoody | so can anyone gaga |
| 03:14.58 | mxmx | is it safe to kill it? |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | what is it ? |
| 03:15.05 | Maliuta | lufthanza: so it's not actually hitting the right tftp server |
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| 03:15.35 | avu | mxmx, well, if you actually mean 'cron job', not 'cron daemon', that depends on what the job is doing |
| 03:15.45 | keith4_ | husking |
| 03:15.51 | mxmx | did u check the rror pessage i posted? |
| 03:16.05 | mxmx | *message |
| 03:16.09 | avu | what drugs are you on btw? |
| 03:16.14 | mxmx | Peyote |
| 03:16.17 | keith4_ | are you using IRC from a cell phone? |
| 03:16.21 | lufthanza | i'll brb |
| 03:16.22 | mxmx | haha |
| 03:16.46 | mxmx | avu i get this /usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 8628: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 03:16.57 | mxmx | when i run /usr/sbin/cron |
| 03:17.02 | avu | mxmx, yes |
| 03:17.08 | keith4_ | why are you running cron? |
| 03:17.13 | avu | mxmx, and I already told you what to do about that |
| 03:17.14 | Maliuta | keith4: heard of Asterisk or SIP? |
| 03:17.21 | mxmx | u changed nicks? |
| 03:17.28 | avu | mxmx, why do you try to start a second cron in the first place btw? |
| 03:17.29 | keith4_ | Maliuta: sure. why? |
| 03:17.39 | Maliuta | keith4: that's what I mean by phones |
| 03:17.42 | avu | mxmx, no, I didn't. |
| 03:17.45 | mxmx | i didnt |
| 03:17.51 | mxmx | the stupid people in amsterdam did |
| 03:17.55 | keith4_ | Maliuta: thanks for sharing. wtf are you talking about? |
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| 03:18.03 | Pulpie | hey guys |
| 03:18.10 | avu | mxmx, you just set *you* ran /usr/sbin/cron |
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| 03:18.33 | mxmx | becasue tahs the one I need to run |
| 03:18.36 | lufthanza | back |
| 03:18.36 | mxmx | the otehroen is wrong |
| 03:18.41 | Maliuta | keith4_: thought your cell phone crack was a result of me saying I used tftp for phones |
| 03:18.43 | avu | mxmx, well then kill it |
| 03:18.47 | mxmx | so howcan i stop the other pid? |
| 03:18.52 | Maliuta | kill |
| 03:18.53 | avu | mxmx, man kill |
| 03:18.55 | keith4_ | Maliuta: ah. No, I was referring to our keyboard-challeneged friend here |
| 03:19.01 | avu | !tell mxmx about grounding |
| 03:19.29 | Maliuta | who can we get to "kill -9 -1" as root today? |
| 03:19.36 | mxmx | i've read it, jsut dont remember all the commands |
| 03:19.41 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and? |
| 03:19.57 | lufthanza | Maliuta: just a sec |
| 03:20.08 | lufthanza | Maliuta: changed a setting back the way it was before |
| 03:20.21 | keith4_ | Maliuta: I seem to recall having trouble running tftpd under inetd. I don't remember if it was PXE booting or Polycoms that had a problem with it, though |
| 03:20.58 | Maliuta | keith4_: using which tftp daemon? |
| 03:21.29 | Maliuta | keith4: I use atftpd from inetd and my cisco's don't complain |
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| 03:21.56 | lufthanza | Maliuta: nothing |
| 03:22.01 | keith4_ | Maliuta: hpa, probably |
| 03:22.04 | mxmx | hmm |
| 03:22.06 | Maliuta | keith4_: isn't there something about the polycoms being shite? |
| 03:22.07 | mxmx | hoepfully is now fixed |
| 03:22.12 | keith4_ | iirc, it also puked when the ipv6 module was present |
| 03:22.13 | mxmx | i'll find out later |
| 03:22.22 | keith4_ | Maliuta: they've gottena a lot better |
| 03:22.33 | Maliuta | lufthanza: define "nothing" |
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| 03:22.57 | Maliuta | lufthanza: did it try to connect to the right tftp server? |
| 03:23.16 | lufthanza | it seems to be trying |
| 03:23.26 | lufthanza | still getting timeouts |
| 03:23.28 | Maliuta | lufthanza: mind telling me why you're running dhcp from some stupid "router" and not from the liux box? |
| 03:23.35 | lufthanza | nothing on the daemon side |
| 03:23.49 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and tcpdump tells you it's trying to connect? |
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| 03:24.06 | lufthanza | Maliuta: because I don't have the card to use my box as a router |
| 03:24.43 | Maliuta | lufthanza: it doesn't need to be the router to run a dhcp daemon |
| 03:25.11 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and having full control over a featureful dhcpd makes things like this easier |
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| 03:25.29 | lufthanza | fine |
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| 03:25.37 | lufthanza | i'll install it when i get back |
| 03:25.48 | lufthanza | i have to grab my brother quick, gonna be 15 minutes |
| 03:25.57 | Maliuta | good, I need a cigarette |
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| 03:32.55 | rebel_kid | im installing debian from netinst what sql database is it, what web server is it, it just says web and sql database, also does the web server included php? |
| 03:36.56 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: I just use netinst to put the base system on, then go an select the specific software afterwards |
| 03:37.21 | rebel_kid | maliuta, im assuming debian supports lamp :D |
| 03:37.25 | rebel_kid | well thank you |
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| 03:37.36 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: I'm pretty sure from task-select the webserver is apache and the sql server is mysql |
| 03:37.37 | boss302 | someone please help me |
| 03:37.47 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: lamp is bull |
| 03:37.58 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: install what you want/need |
| 03:38.10 | rebel_kid | maliuta, what do you mean lamp is bull? i need apache, mysql, and php |
| 03:38.13 | boss302 | i would really like to run cacti 0.8.7b on etch. but there's only 0.8.6 available. and there's no backport |
| 03:39.21 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: well the "p" can be anything, and different sql servers should be used for different uses, and apache isn't the only (or best) webserver to use |
| 03:39.45 | lufthanza | back |
| 03:39.54 | rebel_kid | i understand its not the only, but what is better? and lamp all is packaged and setup, makes the life of a network retard easy |
| 03:40.10 | Maliuta | rebel_kid: it all depends on the knowledge/ability of the sysadmin and actual requirements of the site in question |
| 03:41.18 | rebel_kid | sysadmin = me, my knowledge/ability = great at coding sucky at networking and servers, site requirements potentially massive, currently ziltch |
| 03:41.20 | Maliuta | lufthanza: so where were we? the pxe booting system wasn't creating a tftp connection to the correct server right? |
| 03:42.09 | lufthanza | Maliuta it seems so |
| 03:42.20 | lufthanza | dhcp3-server won't start |
| 03:42.32 | Maliuta | lufthanza: not if that router is still running dhcp |
| 03:42.59 | lufthanza | Maliuta: how am I supposed to have dhcp if my router's dhcp is shut off |
| 03:43.16 | Maliuta | lufthanza: and you need to conf it properly and change the /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 03:43.38 | Maliuta | lufthanza: if you are going to run your dhcp off the server then it will provide all dhcp |
| 03:43.53 | lufthanza | Maliuta: the error message is "check syslog for diagnostics. failed!" btw |
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| 03:44.46 | lufthanza | Maliuta: and then I have to set a static IP for the server with the router? |
| 03:45.08 | Maliuta | lufthanza: a) ensure server has a static ip setup. b) configure dhcp3-server properly and change the file in /etc/default. c) shut down dhcp on the "router" (which should still have a static address). d) start dhcpd on the server |
| 03:45.26 | Maliuta | lufthanza: we'll be using pastebin a bit here |
| 03:45.43 | bewpy | can anyone help me? i am trying to install a counter-strike server, and it put some folders that i cant access.. they have a X and a lock on them.. |
| 03:45.51 | bewpy | but i should be able to access them since im the admin.. |
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| 03:47.14 | Maliuta | lufthanza: I am going to need some info about your network configuration here too |
| 03:47.47 | lufthanza | Maliuta: k |
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| 03:47.56 | Maliuta | lufthanza: stuff like the CIDR block you are using, DNS setup, router IP .... |
| 03:48.53 | lufthanza | Maliuta: thankfully, we don't have to go through all of that |
| 03:49.03 | lufthanza | Maliuta: it just started working |
| 03:51.21 | lufthanza | Maliuta: sorry for making things hard on you :( |
| 03:51.44 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you still need to make some specific changes to point things in the right direction |
| 03:52.03 | Maliuta | lufthanza: http://www.pastebin.ca/1220438 is my dhcpd config |
| 03:52.43 | Maliuta | lufthanza: look at it, see how I have specified ranges and options? |
| 03:53.13 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you might want to put in a "next-server" option into your default to point at the tftp server |
| 03:54.03 | bewpy | can no one help me/ |
| 03:54.05 | bewpy | ?* |
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| 03:55.29 | lufthanza | Maliuta: i'm confused, why would I need to do this? tftp is working now. pxe booting is working now. |
| 03:57.31 | Maliuta | lufthanza: ahh, that means that the pxe boot thing is using the dhcp server to as it's tftp server |
| 03:58.32 | Maliuta | lufthanza: next-server can be used to tell things where their specific tftp server is |
| 03:58.56 | Maliuta | lufthanza: if it is not on the same server as the dhcp server |
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| 03:59.43 | lufthanza | Maliuta: this is using the router's dhcp server |
| 03:59.45 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you did tweak that conf file so that things have the correct gateway (i.e. the router) in their network configs? |
| 04:00.01 | Arafangion | wols: Btw, etchnhalf packages helped get my graphics working perfectly. :) Even runs nethack well, now. :) |
| 04:00.23 | Maliuta | lufthanza: so what changed that it's getting a correct tfpt? |
| 04:00.40 | lufthanza | Maliuta: well, i reinstalled tftp for one. |
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| 04:01.12 | Arafangion | Now, to upgrade git to the latest revision, and setup a personal network... |
| 04:01.19 | lufthanza | Maliuta: I also reverted it back to it's original config, which leads me to believe I had just messed up slightly and made it much worse |
| 04:03.06 | lufthanza | lufthanza: i probably didn't have things in the right folder the first time |
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| 04:03.57 | Maliuta | lufthanza: I use /srv/tftp for mine and just change the directory in the inetd.conf |
| 04:04.48 | lufthanza | well, i have it in /var/lib/tftpboot, /tftpboot, and /srv/tftp now |
| 04:05.00 | lufthanza | originally only had /tftpboot |
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| 04:07.00 | Maliuta | lufthanza: you have files in all 3 dirs? |
| 04:07.05 | Maliuta | lufthanza: why? |
| 04:07.57 | lufthanza | Maliuta: because I was trying everything to get this working |
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| 04:09.36 | Maliuta | takes a nap |
| 04:17.30 | Arafangion | drops a bull and onto Maliuta's face. |
| 04:17.42 | Arafangion | *bull ant |
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| 04:18.57 | yao_ziyuan | would like to create a "shortcut" command, say, "upup", which executes "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", how? |
| 04:20.02 | WormFood | alias |
| 04:20.19 | WormFood | alias upup=""sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 04:20.19 | yao_ziyuan | WormFood: more info? |
| 04:20.22 | lufthanza | Arafangion: shouldn't it be a gnu? |
| 04:21.13 | WormFood | yao_ziyuan, รคยฝย รฆยยรงยยฝรฅยย? |
| 04:21.19 | Arafangion | lufthanza: Don't they eat ants? |
| 04:21.22 | yao_ziyuan | WormFood: how do i list all aliases and delete some of them? |
| 04:21.26 | WormFood | alias |
| 04:21.57 | WormFood | unalias |
| 04:22.05 | yao_ziyuan | WormFood: so if i want to delete upup i just do "alias upup=" ? |
| 04:22.14 | WormFood | unalias upup |
| 04:22.30 | yao_ziyuan | ok |
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| 04:23.40 | lufthanza | Arafangion: pretty sure thats an anteater |
| 04:24.48 | Arafangion | lufthanza: I think it is much more insidious to simply drop ants onto people. |
| 04:25.05 | Arafangion | lufthanza: Which becomes more difficult to do in the presence of an anteater. |
| 04:25.26 | lufthanza | i don't think gnu are anteaters |
| 04:25.38 | lufthanza | i think they are bull like creatures |
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| 04:25.46 | stoned | !ot |
| 04:25.46 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:25.54 | lufthanza | they are from india and tehy play flutes and levitate |
| 04:26.01 | lufthanza | sorry |
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| 04:36.16 | WormFood | yes! please keep the discussion on topic, so the channel can be idle! |
| 04:37.18 | DocPlatypus | whoa... sounds like I caught the tail end of a flame fest |
| 04:39.14 | WormFood | no DocPlatypus the channel has been idle for 10 minutes |
| 04:39.36 | Studiosus | Hi :) Problem: Slow transfer from ide cdrom on custom kernel 2.6.26-5. On stock 2.6.26-5 transfer speed is ok. MB is asus m3a-h/hdmi. Anyone knows what exactly need to be set in kernel .config? |
| 04:39.44 | WormFood | last thing said before the idle time was to keep it on topic |
| 04:39.50 | jon_ | can I use libgd with a truetype font, to write fonts onto pngs? also, how do I install a truetype font? |
| 04:40.24 | WormFood | yes jon_, you can write TTF, but it is a little tricky to figure out |
| 04:40.33 | jon_ | are there any music fonts packaged? |
| 04:40.54 | WormFood | that isn't a font, per se |
| 04:40.59 | jon_ | WormFood with libgd? |
| 04:41.02 | WormFood | you want notes and stuff like that? |
| 04:41.30 | jon_ | at this moment I need staves (or can use a line drawing) and sharp and flat signs |
| 04:42.14 | Arafangion | Studiosus: Check to see if DMA is being used. |
| 04:42.57 | WormFood | jon_, here is a line, from a php program, that I have that uses custom fonts with gd --> imagettftext($canvas, 10, 0, $xPos, $c4['y']+20, $blue, "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic/gbsn00lp.ttf", $assoc); |
| 04:43.21 | WormFood | it took me a while to figure out how to use the custom fonts with it....I had to use that font to display chinese characters |
| 04:43.45 | WormFood | IF there is a font, that has music notes, then you'd use it the same way (you'd select the font the same way) |
| 04:43.46 | Arafangion | Studiosus: If you remove a DVD while it is being used (ie, you've decided that that movie you were watching was a load of crap), then the kernel will see that youv'e got alot of failed IO transfers, and assume that DMA is faulty, and then move to disable it, with teh result that the CD drive becomes uber-slow. |
| 04:43.57 | jon_ | lemme copy that real quick... |
| 04:44.16 | jon_ | got it |
| 04:44.18 | Arafangion | jon_: I suggest you use a vector-graphics program, or use a specialised music editing program if that's what you're doing. |
| 04:44.27 | Studiosus | dma seems not to be used. but it turned off from boot on my custom kernel |
| 04:44.56 | Arafangion | Studiosus: Turn it on, if it works, THEN look into turning it on by default. |
| 04:45.11 | Arafangion | Studiosus: If you can't turn it on, THEN you've got an issue to fix with your .config. :) |
| 04:45.19 | WormFood | jon_, are you using it from php? |
| 04:45.29 | Studiosus | Arafangion, how can I turn it on running kernel? |
| 04:45.32 | jon_ | Arafangion: actually I'm writing something... I really do want to use libgd and a ttf font |
| 04:45.38 | jon_ | no, tcl |
| 04:45.43 | Arafangion | Studiosus: Careful use of hdparm. :) |
| 04:46.02 | jon_ | using Gdtclft |
| 04:46.23 | Arafangion | jon_: I'm about to use freetype in a program of mine - why have you chosen to use Gdtclft instead? |
| 04:46.27 | Arafangion | (Or is that the tcl binding?) |
| 04:46.29 | WormFood | I'd think you can draw your music notes, but you'd have to be clever about it |
| 04:46.53 | jon_ | Arafangion: that's the tcl binding :) |
| 04:47.32 | jon_ | WormFood, I'd get bogged down in the details of the graphics... there are a few good fonts I can use |
| 04:47.48 | jon_ | one in particular draws the staff too |
| 04:47.49 | Studiosus | Arafangion, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 04:47.58 | jon_ | oh, and clef signs |
| 04:48.08 | Arafangion | jon_: Heh. :) Unfortunately a few months ago I'm at the stage of "Ok, the dev libraries are now part of teh repo... now to write unit tests...", and then life just got too busy. :( I still think that using proper graphics is a better solutino for you. |
| 04:48.36 | Arafangion | jon_: Heck, for version 1.0 of your product, just use bitmaps and be done with it! |
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| 04:49.19 | Arafangion | Studiosus: The culprit's either your cable (Unlikely, given that it used to work for you), or your kernel config. :) |
| 04:50.02 | jon_ | well that could be... but there is a lot more going on than I've said... I've already gotten libgd to write out some image stuff in just the way I need... so now all I have to to is get it to write what I need, and I'm done with that part |
| 04:50.05 | WormFood | jon_, http://bugs.libgd.org/?do=details&task_id=42 there appears to be a download on this page, with the font you want |
| 04:50.12 | Studiosus | Arafangion, cable isn't issue, seems on stock kernel performance is ok. So I guessed right that issue is config. Any idea where to look? |
| 04:50.25 | Arafangion | Studiosus: Probably anything that mentions DMA. |
| 04:50.30 | WormFood | jon_, http://bugs.libgd.org/?getfile=31 |
| 04:51.04 | WormFood | jon_, search for "music" on that page, and you should find what you're looking for |
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| 04:53.10 | jon_ | I need to see first whether Gdtclft has a binding for the call you posted |
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| 04:55.12 | WormFood | the call I posed is PHP |
| 04:55.14 | WormFood | it won't work |
| 04:56.01 | WormFood | I only shared that to show you how to use a specific font |
| 04:56.17 | WormFood | you'll have to adapt for your environment |
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| 04:59.35 | jon_ | yes I realize that |
| 04:59.44 | jon_ | but the args could be in the same order |
| 05:00.15 | jon_ | it could also be that I would have to write a binding for that particular call |
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| 05:00.30 | jon_ | what's $assoc? |
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| 05:05.55 | WormFood | jon_, that is a variable |
| 05:06.06 | WormFood | look up that function in the php manual if you want to learn more |
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| 05:08.27 | jon_ | that call would be a binding to libgd, wouldn't it? and yes I know it's a variable, I was more curious as to what's in it and what the purpose is |
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| 05:10.18 | Arafangion | *sigh*, one of the irritations of using Lenovo laptops is using a different laptop and wondering where the nipple is. |
| 05:10.49 | WormFood | yes, it is binding to libgd |
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| 05:11.04 | Arafangion | *sigh*, one of the irritations of using Lenovo laptops is using a different laptop and wondering where the nipple is. |
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| 05:13.19 | jon_ | WormFood: ok, how can I find the meaning of the final parameter (where the $assoc is) |
| 05:13.45 | WormFood | I don't know off hand, I'm a little busy at the moment |
| 05:14.05 | jon_ | oh, no worries... thanks for the tips |
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| 05:18.19 | WormFood | good luck with it jon_ |
| 05:19.40 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question where is the Programs avatars? |
| 05:19.47 | TiMiDo | the xchat icons and stuff like that |
| 05:19.47 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 05:19.55 | jon_ | yeah I'm looking at the c source for the binding... ] |
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| 05:21.38 | Arafangion | jon_: Any particular reason why you're doing it in tcl? |
| 05:21.56 | Arafangion | jon_: (Just curious, it's a language I've had minimal exposure too) |
| 05:22.01 | jon_ | the toolkit I'm using is tcl (and xotcl) |
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| 05:22.55 | Arafangion | Fair enough. |
| 05:23.36 | craigevil | TiMiDo: locate avatars |
| 05:24.29 | jon_ | contrary to popular belief in some sectors, tcl is solid and flexible; one example of this is you have the ability to create control structures in tcl itself, example, you could write a foreach that iterates over db rows, another that iterates over csv rows, etc |
| 05:25.08 | Arafangion | jon_: I'm not denying that, was just curious. |
| 05:25.43 | Arafangion | jon_: Mind you, you can also do that in Ruby, however, ruby is markedly less mature than tcl. |
| 05:26.09 | jon_ | right, I didn't see that you did... but some folks don't like it and say so strongly enough that others end up not trying it |
| 05:26.20 | jon_ | it does have its weird parts |
| 05:26.26 | Arafangion | jon_: The most impressive tcl application I've seen is amsn. |
| 05:26.44 | jon_ | take a look at photo.net |
| 05:26.49 | TiMiDo | craigevil, nothing |
| 05:26.51 | TiMiDo | came up |
| 05:26.56 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 05:27.35 | Arafangion | jon_: http://photo.net? |
| 05:27.39 | jon_ | TiMiDo: would you be interested in a way to ask your package database for a list of files in that package |
| 05:27.43 | jon_ | yep |
| 05:28.27 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 05:28.29 | Arafangion | jon_: I shall go out on a limb and assume that's in php, but something like that doesn't really impress me easily. |
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| 05:28.42 | Arafangion | jon_: Good website, though. |
| 05:29.26 | jon_ | photo.net is impressive for its community and how the toolkit (tcl, oracle, pl/sql) supports that community |
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| 05:30.03 | Arafangion | jon_: You may be onto something there. |
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| 05:30.48 | faffi | ok, i really dont know where to ask this question. I reformatted one of my 2gb flash drives and now all my computer detect it as a 1TB drive, i've tried deleting the partition tables and recreating them multiple times with gparted, a gparted livecd, fdisk and cfdisk and they all show the same thing |
| 05:31.25 | Arafangion | faffi: Do they even have partitions, normally? |
| 05:31.39 | faffi | no |
| 05:31.44 | faffi | well 1 partition |
| 05:31.50 | faffi | to take up the entire drive |
| 05:31.53 | DocPlatypus | Arafangion: yes |
| 05:32.01 | faffi | but all my computers see it as 1023.99 GB |
| 05:32.01 | EmleyMoor | Is there a guide anywhere as to how to use sun java plugin on lenny/amd64? icedtea performs badly with an applet I want to use |
| 05:32.04 | faffi | when its a 2gig flash drive |
| 05:32.09 | DocPlatypus | usually just one partition though. Windows is too stupid to look for more than one |
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| 05:32.26 | Arafangion | EmleyMoor: sun java can be installed easily, but I _think_ it's in non-free. |
| 05:32.28 | jon_ | s/ to look for more than one// |
| 05:32.36 | Hyperi | How can I parse 'grep' output so that all the files would be piped to 'rm' the file |
| 05:32.50 | Hyperi | e.g. I want to remove all the files that have 'foobar' in their contents :) |
| 05:32.51 | EmleyMoor | Arafangion: not the plugin - it's not available for amd64 |
| 05:32.56 | DocPlatypus | faffi: backup, zero out the entire drive, then make a new partition table from scratch, maybe even using Microsoft's tools |
| 05:33.07 | EmleyMoor | (I have what there is of it on) |
| 05:33.15 | faffi | DocPlatypus: zero out using what? everything is telling me that the drive is a terabyte |
| 05:33.22 | faffi | i was considering dbanning it |
| 05:33.23 | DocPlatypus | jon_: agreed that that's not the only area of stupidity |
| 05:33.55 | Arafangion | jon_: _please_ don't get me started about windows... (I use Vista at work) |
| 05:33.59 | DocPlatypus | faffi: I usually just use something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1m (or whatever the name is) |
| 05:34.17 | jon_ | linux has its moments too, but there are places where there is purposeful stupidity |
| 05:34.29 | faffi | DocPlatypus: ive never used that, what exactly is it going to do |
| 05:34.48 | Arafangion | jon_: Linux, at least, is transparent, and hence easier for devs to forgive. |
| 05:34.55 | DocPlatypus | Hyperi: find . -type f | xargs grep -l foobar | xargs rm |
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| 05:35.06 | Arafangion | jon_: Windows just has too damned much magic. :( |
| 05:35.14 | jon_ | they don't have to forgive it too, they can just change it |
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| 05:35.21 | Hyperi | DocPlatypus: ty |
| 05:35.47 | DocPlatypus | Hyperi: you may need to do tweaking to that if you have files with spaces or odd names |
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| 05:36.35 | Arafangion | That reminds me... Can one put two files with the same name on a vfat utf-8 filesystem - and if you do, how does windows handle it? |
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| 05:37.19 | DocPlatypus | Hyperi: if that fails try this: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -lZ foobar | xargs -0 rm |
| 05:38.51 | faffi | DocPlatypus: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 - how long is that going to take? |
| 05:39.33 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question where is the Programs avatars? located it at? |
| 05:39.35 | DocPlatypus | faffi: depends on what USB you have. on 1.1 it could take a while for 2 gigs. for 2.0 probably not that long |
| 05:39.44 | faffi | its 2.0 |
| 05:39.50 | faffi | but still going >_< |
| 05:39.54 | DocPlatypus | the drive speed and heavy CPU load could also affect it |
| 05:40.30 | Arafangion | A higher bs might've helped. |
| 05:41.03 | jon_ | faffi: bs=1?! that will be fairly inefficient :) |
| 05:41.06 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: What? |
| 05:41.25 | DocPlatypus | jon_: I said 1m in my original message |
| 05:41.32 | DocPlatypus | I don't know why he did just 1 |
| 05:41.35 | faffi | jon_: i was following what someone typed, what should i change it to |
| 05:41.35 | jon_ | oh ok |
| 05:41.42 | faffi | DocPlatypus: 1m gave an error |
| 05:41.52 | Hyperi | DocPlatypus: Worked nicely :) |
| 05:41.55 | faffi | dd: invalid number `1m' |
| 05:42.00 | faffi | oops sorry double paste |
| 05:42.02 | Arafangion | faffi: There are 1024 bytes in a MiB. |
| 05:42.12 | faffi | :) i know that |
| 05:42.21 | Arafangion | faffi: Then we're both wrong. :) |
| 05:42.27 | TiMiDo | Arafangion, the programs icons. for example xchat and stuff like that |
| 05:42.29 | DocPlatypus | try 1M then |
| 05:42.29 | faffi | kbytes |
| 05:42.30 | DocPlatypus | that's odd |
| 05:42.35 | DocPlatypus | if that fails try 1024k |
| 05:42.42 | jon_ | there are 1024 bytes in one k |
| 05:42.44 | faffi | 1M worked |
| 05:42.49 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: /usr/share/icons or something along that line. |
| 05:43.09 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: They are never referred to as 'avatars', though. :) |
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| 05:44.50 | faffi | oook, waiting for this to finish, gonna get some food :) |
| 05:45.08 | faffi | i should have taken a screenshot of the 1 TB flash drive though, woulda gotten some good wtf's |
| 05:45.19 | TiMiDo | Arafangion, how about the pidgin? |
| 05:45.21 | TiMiDo | icons? |
| 05:45.23 | TiMiDo | are they there? |
| 05:46.07 | simonrvn | /usr/share/icons /usr/share/pixmaps are the usual place to look, but everything's moving to icons/ to standardize on something. |
| 05:46.19 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: Load up xterm, and type: locate gaim |
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| 05:46.54 | TiMiDo | Aaron@darkplanet:~$ locate gaim |
| 05:46.54 | TiMiDo | Aaron@darkplanet:~$ |
| 05:46.56 | TiMiDo | nothing |
| 05:47.01 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: Or pidgin, if that's what it is on your system... I'm using etch, so it's still gaim. |
| 05:47.17 | TiMiDo | still nothing |
| 05:47.30 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: It might help to install it. |
| 05:47.30 | bewpy | how can i install xfce4? |
| 05:47.41 | TiMiDo | it is |
| 05:47.53 | TiMiDo | pidgin is already the newest version. |
| 05:48.00 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: When did you install it? |
| 05:48.52 | TiMiDo | a long time ago =0 |
| 05:48.57 | TiMiDo | maybe about a month ago |
| 05:49.26 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: Which version of debian is it? |
| 05:49.47 | TiMiDo | sid |
| 05:50.47 | Arafangion | TiMiDo: Then take a look for the darn icons yourself, and fix your slocate database. (Maybe need to run updatedb again). |
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| 05:51.11 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 05:51.12 | TiMiDo | maybe |
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| 06:02.46 | bewpy | why cant i install xfce4 |
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| 06:03.56 | bewpy | apt-get install xfce4 doesnt work |
| 06:05.49 | bolt | *sigh* |
| 06:05.51 | bolt | !doesn't work |
| 06:05.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:06.01 | kasmra | hi, i tried to boot my debian lenny but got kernel panic - not syncing. VFS: unable to mount on unknown block(3,1). any ideas? |
| 06:06.28 | kasmra | *mount filesystem |
| 06:07.37 | kasmra | i mean "unable to mount root fs" |
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| 06:08.23 | kasmra | could it be memory related? |
| 06:08.42 | jon_ | bewpy: conventional wisdom suggests proximity as an advantage... |
| 06:08.44 | bolt | sounds harddrive related. sure that disk works and that it's there at all? |
| 06:08.47 | jon_ | in short... |
| 06:09.03 | jon_ | yer closer! you tell us why! |
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| 06:11.32 | kasmra | the disk shouldn't be the one with root partition. |
| 06:11.41 | kasmra | but it sure can be broken. |
| 06:12.14 | bolt | kasmra: try a livecd and verify that you can mount the root partition at all. |
| 06:12.20 | streuner_ | did you run update-grub before? |
| 06:12.20 | jon_ | kasmra: you need to describe your boot situation |
| 06:13.26 | kasmra | ok, i'll start exploring. i'm using lilo. no kernel-related upgrades recently. |
| 06:13.50 | jon_ | so it was working? |
| 06:14.14 | kasmra | don't know yet. i'll be in touch. thanks. |
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| 06:16.32 | Arafangion | bolt: Irritating how people don't always respond to dpkg's helpful suggestions.:( |
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| 06:35.47 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 06:37.35 | streuner_ | that quote isnt helpful too |
| 06:37.57 | streuner_ | !blairsmite liable |
| 06:37.58 | dpkg | spins liable at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 06:38.01 | jon_ | I thought they were supposed to be funny.... |
| 06:38.37 | streuner_ | well, we all know of the problems he have with windows... |
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| 06:40.06 | streuner_ | liable: use your brain, there is surely something which is more funny... |
| 06:40.32 | liable | i cant be bothered |
| 06:40.42 | debshital | when will be Debian-5 out?? |
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| 06:40.56 | streuner_ | when the last bugs are fixed |
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| 06:44.37 | jon_ | ahh, so when the last bug is fixed, will the bug reporter be buried 9-edge face down? |
| 06:45.24 | jon_ | debshital: I heard it was in 5 minutes... |
| 06:45.30 | jon_ | or 4 months... |
| 06:45.33 | jon_ | forgot :) |
| 06:46.03 | yebyen | lol |
| 06:46.19 | yebyen | sounds like my homework |
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| 06:47.44 | testi_ | What's the shell command to read mails? |
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| 06:47.53 | yebyen | mail |
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| 06:48.22 | testi_ | thanks |
| 06:48.45 | yebyen | that work? might be in exim4 package |
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| 06:52.07 | jon_ | testi_: you need nails?? |
| 06:52.13 | yebyen | or mailx |
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| 07:01.31 | mxmx | so i killed a corn earleir |
| 07:01.34 | mxmx | but it restarted again |
| 07:01.46 | mxmx | i hate pleonasms |
| 07:01.51 | mxmx | *it restarted |
| 07:02.28 | mxmx | ho do get compeltely rid of it? |
| 07:02.30 | hifi | poor corn |
| 07:02.40 | mxmx | C r o n :P |
| 07:03.15 | hifi | why you want to get a rid of cron? |
| 07:03.44 | jon_ | corn born of porn? |
| 07:03.49 | mxmx | becasue it hsouldnt be running |
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| 07:03.56 | hifi | uh, why? |
| 07:04.09 | mxmx | er |
| 07:04.11 | mxmx | i need to run /usr/sbin/cron |
| 07:04.12 | jon_ | cron is needed for debian to work properly |
| 07:04.24 | mxmx | and i get this messsgae |
| 07:04.34 | mxmx | ./usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 22348: Resource temporarily unavailable. |
| 07:04.34 | hifi | why you need to run it by hand? |
| 07:04.47 | hifi | it's already running |
| 07:04.49 | mxmx | i run DA in my box |
| 07:04.56 | jon_ | dada? |
| 07:04.58 | jon_ | what? |
| 07:05.24 | mxmx | Directadmin |
| 07:05.31 | mxmx | the DA tasks arent runnig |
| 07:05.37 | hifi | run them? |
| 07:05.47 | simonrvn | wtf is that? some webmin-like crap? |
| 07:05.51 | jon_ | and cron has something to do with this? |
| 07:06.01 | mxmx | for that i ned to get sbin/cron running |
| 07:06.08 | mxmx | yes simonrvn |
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| 07:06.14 | hifi | it's running for god sake |
| 07:06.21 | hifi | thats why the resource is unavailable |
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| 07:06.27 | jon_ | it should be running, if it's not, there's some kind of problem |
| 07:06.33 | mxmx | its not running |
| 07:06.37 | mxmx | then what else could it be? |
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| 07:06.43 | hifi | 10:01 < mxmx> so i killed a corn earleir |
| 07:06.43 | hifi | 10:01 < mxmx> but it restarted again |
| 07:06.49 | hifi | what part did I not understand? |
| 07:06.55 | mxmx | hmmm |
| 07:07.10 | hifi | you killed cron, it restared and now it's not running? |
| 07:07.28 | mxmx | no |
| 07:07.40 | jon_ | you seem to be confusing us... |
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| 07:07.52 | mxmx | ./etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
| 07:08.02 | hifi | thats a cron script that cron runs |
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| 07:08.07 | jon_ | oh ok |
| 07:08.07 | mxmx | that should eb running if sbin/cron is running |
| 07:08.09 | mxmx | but it isnt |
| 07:08.17 | hifi | does it have executable bit set? |
| 07:08.29 | mxmx | not sure how can i find out? |
| 07:08.30 | jon_ | that should run at about 6:30 am |
| 07:08.41 | jon_ | every day |
| 07:08.46 | hifi | mxmx: ls -l /etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
| 07:08.47 | mxmx | no |
| 07:08.54 | hifi | it should show x in the permissions |
| 07:08.56 | mxmx | checking.. |
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| 07:09.07 | mxmx | i get |
| 07:09.08 | mxmx | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 739 2008-08-12 00:43 /etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
| 07:09.16 | hifi | chmod +x /etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
| 07:09.23 | hifi | jon_: does it need to be executable? |
| 07:09.29 | mxmx | done |
| 07:09.37 | mxmx | se thas the lat time the cron an, agusut 12 |
| 07:09.52 | mxmx | *last |
| 07:09.54 | jon_ | ok, I misread cron.d as cron.daily... |
| 07:10.03 | mxmx | ok |
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| 07:10.15 | mxmx | the DA task should run every minute |
| 07:10.17 | jon_ | hifi: maybe |
| 07:10.24 | mxmx | hifi what did +x did? |
| 07:10.26 | hifi | every minute? |
| 07:10.30 | mxmx | yes |
| 07:10.36 | hifi | mxmx: set the executable bit so it can be executed |
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| 07:10.48 | mxmx | ok |
| 07:11.05 | hifi | mxmx: if you *really* need to run it every minute you should add a new cron entry into your crontab |
| 07:11.10 | jon_ | some crons have 5 minutes as the finest resolution |
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| 07:11.45 | hifi | why it needs to be run so often? |
| 07:11.49 | jon_ | the design of this thing seems a bit weird |
| 07:11.55 | mxmx | hold on hifi |
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| 07:13.20 | jon_ | usually cronjobs start, complete and go away... |
| 07:13.24 | jon_ | until the next time |
| 07:13.25 | mxmx | yeah |
| 07:13.31 | mxmx | the taskqueue is still full :/ |
| 07:13.34 | jon_ | they aren't like daemons that stay running |
| 07:13.59 | mxmx | what does this mean? |
| 07:14.01 | mxmx | 22348 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 07:14.01 | mxmx | 29264 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep cron |
| 07:14.14 | jon_ | it's running |
| 07:14.18 | mxmx | good |
| 07:15.00 | mxmx | hmm |
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| 07:15.41 | mxmx | hifi i follow these instrucitons http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=107 |
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| 07:15.57 | mxmx | but yhet the direct admin crons arent runnigng |
| 07:16.05 | thesuliban1980 | Hello everybody: As of cups 1.3.8 (I suppose) I cannot add a printer via the web interface anymore. The Webinterface hangs after sending the form which astks to select the wendor. After this dialog form, no further action happens. Any help really appreciated..... Thanks! |
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| 07:16.16 | hifi | mxmx: read carefully, processed |
| 07:16.17 | thesuliban1980 | but: I can still print. |
| 07:16.18 | simonrvn | mxmx: probably need to clear out the queue properly and then try running it normally |
| 07:16.25 | hnt | Hello everybody, I'm trying to setup a bluetooth system on a Laptop. I'm using rfcomm but I don't have any /dev/rfcomm file. Could you help me ? Does I have to insert some kernel module ? |
| 07:17.04 | mxmx | i jsut ran it normally fianlly my new websites resolved |
| 07:17.11 | thesuliban1980 | I am using lenny. |
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| 07:21.19 | thesuliban1980 | noone here that can help? |
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| 07:21.40 | superjoe30 | thesuliban1980, what's the problem |
| 07:21.55 | thesuliban1980 | As of cups 1.3.8 (I suppose) I cannot add a printer via the web interface anymore. The Webinterface hangs after sending the form which astks to select the wendor. After this dialog form, no further action happens. |
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| 07:22.41 | superjoe30 | not a clue, sorry |
| 07:22.49 | thesuliban1980 | luckily I can still print on the already installed printers.... |
| 07:23.07 | thesuliban1980 | Thanks's for the try;-) |
| 07:23.10 | jon_ | maybe the web server needs to be restarted |
| 07:23.27 | jon_ | or is cupsd that server? |
| 07:23.36 | Arafangion | That would be the server, on port 631. |
| 07:23.45 | thesuliban1980 | I've already done... and: I have this problem on several machines, different architecture.... |
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| 07:24.15 | mxmx | ? rar |
| 07:24.16 | mxmx | rar |
| 07:24.18 | mxmx | dpkg rar |
| 07:24.19 | dpkg | rar is, like, an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 07:24.25 | mxmx | unrar |
| 07:24.40 | thesuliban1980 | an all debian/lenny, same problem on all of them... |
| 07:24.42 | mxmx | does anyone know the unrar file so taht it recurses the foldera? |
| 07:24.46 | mxmx | *folders |
| 07:24.46 | jon_ | what about trying different browsers? |
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| 07:25.09 | thesuliban1980 | Hm... I'm using firefox.... |
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| 07:25.52 | superjoe30 | mxmx, try the x switch |
| 07:26.02 | jon_ | do the cupsd logs say anything? (btw, I've not had to read a cupsd log yet) |
| 07:28.47 | superjoe30 | mxmx, also there's a -r switch |
| 07:28.56 | superjoe30 | did you try man unrar? |
| 07:28.59 | jon_ | if this web interface is generated by the same process, it doesn't make sense why it wouldn't work |
| 07:29.29 | mxmx | dpkg delete |
| 07:29.29 | dpkg | delete is, like, the opposite of insert |
| 07:29.34 | mxmx | dpkg remove |
| 07:29.34 | dpkg | mxmx: i haven't a clue |
| 07:29.35 | jon_ | if it's not the same process, maybe the executable that generates that process needs to be replacement |
| 07:29.37 | mxmx | boo |
| 07:30.10 | jon_ | replaced even |
| 07:30.21 | mxmx | whats the command tor emove folders? |
| 07:30.30 | jon_ | man rmdir |
| 07:30.38 | thesuliban1980 | this is rediculus: works like a charm using icewasel, but not with firefox.... |
| 07:30.41 | mxmx | thanks |
| 07:30.47 | superjoe30 | if there are files in it... rm -Rf |
| 07:30.50 | thesuliban1980 | bothering around this now forover one hour... |
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| 07:31.18 | jon_ | mxmx: if you're going to admin a linux box, it might make sense to learn the basic commands and get some flow going |
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| 07:32.08 | Arafangion | s/might// |
| 07:32.55 | jon_ | commands you should know: cd ls mkdir rmdir cat touch head tail more less grep sort |
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| 07:33.21 | Arafangion | One can live without rmdir. |
| 07:33.35 | jon_ | notice I did not say rm :) |
| 07:33.43 | Arafangion | Good. :) |
| 07:34.00 | superjoe30 | no rm? |
| 07:34.02 | jon_ | rm is powerful |
| 07:34.07 | superjoe30 | smiles |
| 07:34.09 | jon_ | maybe too powerful |
| 07:34.30 | Arafangion | superjoe30: You're better of making some good habits - never delete, instead prefer to archive. |
| 07:34.31 | superjoe30 | it's fun to read stories about people who accidentally rm -f'd / |
| 07:34.41 | jon_ | if you're going to learn rm, fine, but know that one rm can destroy your whole system |
| 07:34.55 | jon_ | so can chmod |
| 07:35.11 | superjoe30 | how can chmod? |
| 07:35.13 | Arafangion | jon_: A few years ago, right before my damn assignments were due, one of my friends decided to type "sudo rm -rf /", and hit enter, expecting a password prompt... |
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| 07:35.39 | jon_ | wonderful... |
| 07:35.41 | Arafangion | jon_: And I'd just 3 minutes ago loaded the VMware kernel module... And couldn't stop him pressing enter... |
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| 07:36.15 | jon_ | sounds like that was not your friend |
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| 07:36.30 | Arafangion | jon_: Let's just say that I've never let him forget. ;) |
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| 07:36.42 | Arafangion | (I had everything backed up the previous day - but he didn't know that) |
| 07:36.42 | superjoe30 | how can chmod wreck a system? |
| 07:36.52 | superjoe30 | can't you always change back? |
| 07:36.56 | jon_ | sure |
| 07:36.58 | jon_ | but |
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| 07:37.18 | jon_ | try doing that after you chmod -R -x / |
| 07:37.32 | superjoe30 | so just chmod everything to root, and then chmod your home folder to yourself |
| 07:37.44 | superjoe30 | oh |
| 07:37.45 | superjoe30 | yeah |
| 07:37.50 | superjoe30 | that might be a pain in the butt |
| 07:38.05 | Arafangion | Not to mention that just chmod'ing everything to 700 wouldn't fix the system. |
| 07:38.07 | jon_ | it won't remove the files... but your system is DEAD after that :) |
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| 07:38.24 | superjoe30 | well, is there harm in +x ing root owned files? |
| 07:38.32 | superjoe30 | only root can execute them |
| 07:38.34 | jon_ | maybe not |
| 07:38.40 | Arafangion | All of this pales in comparison to having an ssh connection to a server, and then issuing shutdown -h now thinking you're on your local machine. |
| 07:38.43 | Arafangion | :) |
| 07:38.57 | superjoe30 | ha! |
| 07:39.01 | superjoe30 | I love linux |
| 07:39.04 | Arafangion | Only made that mistake once. |
| 07:39.19 | joltcan | Yeah, I love "connection closed by remote host" when you think you shutdown your local machine |
| 07:39.25 | jon_ | so, you drove a thousand miles to fix it? :) |
| 07:39.48 | joltcan | Arafangion: I did it once as wel, its nice! :) |
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| 07:39.51 | Arafangion | jon_: Fortunately, _that_ day, it was just next door, but subsequent years, yeah, 400 km away. :) |
| 07:40.31 | Arafangion | I still get very, very nervious if I do so much as change firewall rules. |
| 07:40.53 | jon_ | esp on a remote |
| 07:41.24 | superjoe30 | there should be a way to power on a computer via network |
| 07:41.36 | Arafangion | superjoe30: There are ways, for sure. |
| 07:41.48 | superjoe30 | just not standard |
| 07:41.48 | Arafangion | superjoe30: But they cost a small amount of that commodity known as _money_. |
| 07:41.52 | superjoe30 | yeah |
| 07:41.57 | jon_ | so mxmx, as you can see, people who really know the commands make really bad mistakes... linux is powerful, a space in the wrong place could doom your system |
| 07:42.18 | superjoe30 | but usually people that are just learning linux don't have that much to lose |
| 07:42.20 | superjoe30 | so it works out |
| 07:42.29 | Arafangion | Heck, even an inadvertedly expanded wildcard is crap. |
| 07:42.31 | superjoe30 | if he deletes his entire hard drive so what? he'll just reinstall ubuntu |
| 07:43.10 | jon_ | mxmx, so, learn stuff :P |
| 07:43.26 | Arafangion | It's a pity how command arguments are passed in. :( |
| 07:43.36 | superjoe30 | what do you mean? |
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| 07:44.45 | Arafangion | A number of these mistakes would be inconsequental if a command line was as follows: name_of_command <arguments> -- <files>, where arguments are the standard unix arguments such as -rf, and files are a list of files which can have wildcard expansion. |
| 07:44.56 | Arafangion | With no wildcard expansions performed by the shell before the --. |
| 07:45.25 | superjoe30 | I thought that's how it was |
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| 07:45.40 | Arafangion | Nope. |
| 07:46.06 | superjoe30 | the shell does wildcard expansion? |
| 07:46.18 | Arafangion | Indeed. |
| 07:46.29 | Arafangion | Which has some very real advantages. |
| 07:46.54 | jon_ | yeah, means wildcarding works the same way for every command |
| 07:47.28 | jon_ | msdos... if a command needs wildcarding, you have to program it |
| 07:47.36 | Arafangion | And complex wildcarding always works, eg, {a,b,c}.pas will expand to a.pas b.pas c.pas |
| 07:48.02 | superjoe30 | for filenames |
| 07:48.09 | superjoe30 | you were saying it would do wildcard expansion before that |
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| 07:48.34 | superjoe30 | before the -- |
| 07:48.48 | jon_ | well the order the shell does the various substitutions and expansions is shown in the man page |
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| 07:48.56 | superjoe30 | man bash? |
| 07:49.02 | Arafangion | superjoe30: In bash, the shell ALWAYS wildcards, unless you escape it. |
| 07:49.11 | jon_ | and info page which is vastly superior in the case of bash and most gnu tools |
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| 07:49.28 | jon_ | it's maintained... |
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| 07:49.34 | jon_ | it's organized... |
| 07:49.56 | Arafangion | jon_: I wish that debian would scrap either info, or man, or /usr/share/doc, and only allow ONE help system. :( |
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| 07:50.57 | jon_ | to make it worse, there are also html docs, maints know the rule that all executables must each have a man page and yet not all of them do |
| 07:51.29 | superjoe30 | according to eric raymond, it's going to turn into that docbook thing, I forget what it's called |
| 07:51.38 | Arafangion | This is why I still use man - info is just damn to confusing and man usually has the info I want anyway - additionally, man is still the most widely used. |
| 07:52.11 | Arafangion | docbook's way over the top for this. |
| 07:52.25 | jon_ | and debian and stallman are probably still squabbling over whether gfdl is free |
| 07:52.36 | superjoe30 | haha |
| 07:52.40 | Arafangion | Today, simple html is perfectly adequate, particularly with css. |
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| 07:54.00 | superjoe30 | it shouldn't be hard to make an html-to-man script to appease the oldies either |
| 07:54.05 | superjoe30 | in fact I'm pretty sure they exist already |
| 07:55.41 | Arafangion | superjoe30: Ideally, the correct solution would be to have a documentation 'server' installed that lets you search man, info, and /usr/share/doc files and lets you read them in a consistent format. |
| 07:56.05 | Arafangion | Trouble is that such current implementations tend to either do it for info, or for man. |
| 07:56.23 | Arafangion | Not to mention that when the server isn't needed, it's wasting resources. |
| 07:56.24 | jon_ | I dunno if dwww is still maintained, but it seemed interesting |
| 07:56.29 | Arafangion | (Technically) |
| 07:57.02 | superjoe30 | why would it have to be a server? you could do it like locate |
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| 07:57.32 | superjoe30 | It has an entry in the crontab to index the filesystem at 3am |
| 07:57.49 | jon_ | the people that put together debian docs aren't too friendly or reasonable... once I had a gal that wanted to write docs, and she was put off |
| 07:58.28 | jon_ | I never found out exactly what happened, but she was ready to write profusely |
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| 08:00.30 | Arafangion | superjoe30: You /could/, but you'd need to use alot of javascript, which could be problematic for console users. |
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| 08:01.06 | liable | for some odd reason, my cheapo monitor is missing about 5 chars off the left side of my console |
| 08:01.27 | jon_ | I thought it would be nice to require all packages to have a file that had all the doc references in it, so it would have a reference to each man page or whatever other kind of doc there was, and all would be required to refer to the docs used to build the package |
| 08:01.50 | Arafangion | liable: No calibration buttons? |
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| 08:02.08 | jon_ | you'd just do less /usr/share/perl/doclist.txt |
| 08:02.11 | Arafangion | jon_: A bit of scripting on .deb's would do the trick. |
| 08:02.13 | liable | Arafangion: yeah, but the dont seem to do anything worthwhile.. |
| 08:02.32 | superjoe30 | I have that same problem as liable, it's on a really widescreen monitor |
| 08:02.34 | Arafangion | liable: Does it work in the BIOS? |
| 08:02.52 | liable | Arafangion: good question. |
| 08:03.17 | liable | not sure if it wakes up quick enough to see the bios |
| 08:03.21 | jon_ | Arafangion: sadly you'd not pick up the doc the maintainer read to see how to build it |
| 08:03.29 | superjoe30 | Arafangion, what are you talking about with javascript? I'm talking about indexing documentation from /usr/share/doc, info, and man so that you can search them |
| 08:03.58 | simonrvn | beagle does this already in the cron.weekly IIRC |
| 08:04.00 | Arafangion | superjoe30: You'd need javascript. |
| 08:04.12 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I don't like beagle. ;) |
| 08:04.19 | simonrvn | i don't either |
| 08:04.28 | superjoe30 | Arafangion, as an alternative to (x)html parsing? |
| 08:04.49 | simonrvn | way too resource hungry. it's supposed to be unobtrusive, not more so. |
| 08:04.58 | Arafangion | superjoe30: The parsing is a trivial problem, relatively. |
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| 08:05.21 | Arafangion | simonrvn: And don't even ask about laptops... |
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| 08:09.24 | superjoe30 | Arafangion, I don't see what you would use javascript for |
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| 08:10.10 | Arafangion | superjoe30: You'd need it to allow the user to search. |
| 08:10.46 | superjoe30 | Arafangion, within the html page? |
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| 08:11.14 | Arafangion | superjoe30: Within the set of html pages, yes. |
| 08:12.00 | superjoe30 | Arafangion, ah I see. I thought we were describing a separate application which searched the html docs, info, and man |
| 08:12.21 | simonrvn | there's cgis that do this already |
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| 08:12.41 | Arafangion | Yes, there are, however those cgi's treat them all as separate systems. |
| 08:12.58 | simonrvn | you mean to integrate them i suppose |
| 08:13.07 | simonrvn | probably not very hard |
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| 08:13.39 | Arafangion | Yes, and correct, it wouldn't be hard, but it takes time, and so far nobody has done it, certianly nobody who also made it standard. |
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| 08:14.34 | superjoe30 | making it standard is so much harder than making it |
| 08:14.37 | liable | whats 1024x768 vga setting? (for grub) |
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| 08:15.35 | liable | meh, i'll do vga=ask |
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| 08:18.01 | jon_ | liable: historially the numbers were different per monitor |
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| 08:18.56 | vadmeste | jon_, 792 ? |
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| 08:19.22 | floam | is there a reason nobody in the world uses vixie cron 4.x? ("ISC Cron"?) |
| 08:19.36 | superjoe30 | floam, because they've never heard of it? |
| 08:19.50 | liable | vga=ask worked |
| 08:19.50 | floam | I mean more like distributions |
| 08:20.03 | floam | it's not exactly a secret that it was renamed |
| 08:20.09 | rotciv | hi. i just finished upgrading from etch to lenny but the installation stops 'cuz there are too much errors. i use aptitude to upgrade, using apt-get -f install to get this dependencies would work? |
| 08:20.12 | simonrvn | debian's is vixie IIRC |
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| 08:20.21 | floam | right, 3.x from 1993 |
| 08:20.24 | rotciv | i used aptitude* |
| 08:20.48 | simonrvn | yeh, it's old ;) |
| 08:20.55 | tralala | rotciv, I had a similar issue caused by some perl deps |
| 08:21.09 | tralala | you'll have to track it down and fix it manually |
| 08:21.42 | Arafangion | floam: I've used it, wasn't a bad cron, but most people don't seriously car. |
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| 08:22.17 | simonrvn | if it doesn't crash, runs the jobs ok, who cares? ;P |
| 08:22.29 | floam | simonrvn: vixie cron has some serious problems |
| 08:22.36 | floam | at least as of 3.x. |
| 08:22.36 | rotciv | tralala, hi. i don't think it is perls deps. if it was wouldn't show on the screen something like "Error, perl dependencies..."? |
| 08:22.37 | tralala | I guess cont just does it job so no need to fix(upgrade) it |
| 08:22.57 | Arafangion | What' i'd like is to see upstart mature enough to replace cron and sysV. |
| 08:23.02 | simonrvn | and debian's been patching it (duh) |
| 08:23.22 | tralala | rotciv, it might be something else for your case but most likely it is wrong deps |
| 08:23.25 | floam | just fixing it up |
| 08:23.40 | rotciv | tralala, an apt-get -f install can't solve this then? |
| 08:23.54 | tralala | no |
| 08:24.11 | tralala | I had to download and force-install some packages with dpkg |
| 08:24.24 | floam | the way vixie cron fundamentally works is to wake up every minute and determine with no history what jobs to run |
| 08:24.39 | rotciv | !pastee |
| 08:24.42 | rotciv | !paste |
| 08:24.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:24.55 | tralala | rotciv, the bottom line is lenny is not ready for upgrade yet |
| 08:24.58 | floam | which leads to fun things such as repeating jobs on DST change, etc. |
| 08:25.33 | rotciv | =/ |
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| 08:25.37 | Arafangion | floam: That shouldn't have been an issue. |
| 08:25.53 | floam | it still is an issue |
| 08:26.03 | floam | but not really, because very few people have jobs that run each minute. |
| 08:26.08 | simonrvn | floam: so suggest it be changed if you're see keen on it. i know 3.x sucks, most people work around it. |
| 08:26.21 | FalscherHase | hi. do at-jobs persist over reboots? if the time of execution is missed, are they executed after reboot? |
| 08:26.24 | floam | simonrvn: oh, it probably shouldn't be changed |
| 08:26.33 | Arafangion | floam: Why is it a problem if all the DST change does is to temporarily change the timezone from GMT+10 to GMT+11? |
| 08:26.33 | floam | simonrvn: I just wanted to know what the good reason was that was keeping people from doing son |
| 08:26.35 | floam | doing so |
| 08:26.58 | rotciv | tralala, take a look: http://paste.debian.net/18638/ |
| 08:27.12 | floam | Arafangion: it doesn't know about timezones. |
| 08:27.49 | rotciv | tralala, my system is in portuguese, but look to the software which has broken deps |
| 08:28.07 | tralala | rotciv, it would be much more helpful if the error messages were in english |
| 08:28.14 | wols | rotciv: LANG=C <command> |
| 08:28.21 | wols | rotciv: then the ourpur is in english |
| 08:28.24 | iamwoody | i have a server in idc , i need to change an ip address , i just modify /etc/network/interface ? |
| 08:28.27 | rotciv | wols, ok |
| 08:28.28 | Arafangion | floam: So the issue here (Which I realise is just an example you used), is that the design of the daylight savings change program is faulty. |
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| 08:28.38 | floam | Arafangion: this could be solved by using modern things and UTC of course |
| 08:28.43 | floam | but then you've still go the problem of missed tasks because the computer was sleeping |
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| 08:28.54 | wols | floam: anacron |
| 08:28.55 | floam | Arafangion: daylight savings change program? |
| 08:29.04 | floam | Arafangion: what are you talking about? |
| 08:29.13 | Arafangion | floam: Erm... DST? |
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| 08:30.11 | Arafangion | wols: Personally, I'm hoping for Upstart. (Which is Ubuntu, incidentially, but it's not mature yet so even Upstart is using it in SysV compatibility mode) |
| 08:30.18 | Arafangion | *even Ubuntu, that is. |
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| 08:30.45 | simonrvn | floam: well, see, i see it being as ok, dst bugs and weird syntax for shell commands, and the simpler it is, the less prone to bugs it is. |
| 08:32.32 | Arafangion | Once Ubuntu's upstart is mature, imho, it will truely be better than Debian for laptop systems. |
| 08:32.38 | floam | Arafangion: there isn't any program that changes the time. |
| 08:32.38 | floam | it's defined by the timezone |
| 08:32.38 | floam | you don't literally go from GMT-8 to GMT-7, you stay at US/Pacific, which defines when PDT and PST stop and start, and the change is immediate, as is the TZ change |
| 08:33.28 | simonrvn | libc determines it from the tz data, and the kernel does it (i think) |
| 08:33.49 | Arafangion | floam: So why do you need to "change" the time with cron? |
| 08:34.02 | floam | Arafangion: what are you talking about? |
| 08:34.11 | Arafangion | Your example above! |
| 08:34.14 | floam | I never said anything about using cron to change the time. |
| 08:34.20 | Arafangion | floam: You didn't? |
| 08:34.22 | floam | no. |
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| 08:34.28 | raul | hi pple\ |
| 08:34.38 | Arafangion | floam: Whatever you say, man. :) |
| 08:34.39 | floam | I said a flaw with cron is that when the DST changes over, you've got 59 minutes where it is either skipping jobs or repeating them. |
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| 08:34.47 | Arafangion | Oh! |
| 08:34.48 | iamwoody | it is a good idea using cron to change the time? |
| 08:34.54 | raul | is there a way to backup files with rsync on debian keeping a history of old files? |
| 08:35.01 | Arafangion | floam: Your example was ambigious, then. |
| 08:35.05 | simonrvn | iamwoody: why? |
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| 08:35.21 | FalscherHase | raul: 'dirvish' is a backup program to do that |
| 08:35.29 | raul | tnx |
| 08:35.36 | floam | that could be solved if it'd just use UTC, of course |
| 08:35.49 | rotciv | i think i've lost my system :S |
| 08:36.02 | rotciv | upgrading from etch to lenny isn't for newbies :P |
| 08:36.21 | tralala | clearly not |
| 08:36.31 | Selveste1 | Hey - I have some Network buffer problems on my debian 4.0, how do I set this buffer up some more ? |
| 08:36.46 | Arafangion | rotciv: Arguably it isn't for experts either. ;) |
| 08:36.48 | tralala | s/lenny/testing |
| 08:36.59 | simonrvn | floam: on systems that it matters, you use UTC anyway, and set your onw env. with the TZ you want. |
| 08:37.04 | iamwoody | you always have the real time |
| 08:37.05 | simonrvn | own* |
| 08:37.06 | rotciv | Arafangion, haha |
| 08:37.17 | raul | dirvish |
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| 08:37.26 | rotciv | if i knew i'd downloaded the lenny .iso |
| 08:37.28 | floam | simonrvn: sure. |
| 08:37.41 | floam | simonrvn: But good software really should use UTC internally no matter what |
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| 08:37.48 | Arafangion | rotciv: Few people don't really /need/ Lenny. |
| 08:37.52 | floam | anyways, I'm not comaplaining or anything |
| 08:37.59 | Arafangion | rotciv: Few people actually /need/ Lenny, rather. |
| 08:38.07 | floam | in 1993 nobody cared about that kind of thing |
| 08:38.20 | floam | s/nobody/few/ |
| 08:38.27 | superjoe30 | I tried to install etch on my laptop but it didn't even recognize my ethernet port |
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| 08:38.34 | misery | s/few/none/ ? |
| 08:38.35 | superjoe30 | lenny worked fabulous, however |
| 08:38.45 | Arafangion | floam: The biggest problem with our IT economy is that good ideas remain unimplemented. :( |
| 08:38.56 | superjoe30 | s/s\,/sly,/ |
| 08:38.58 | Arafangion | And good implementations get lost. |
| 08:39.01 | rotciv | Arafangion, i need lenny 'cuz my hardware is newer than etch and i couldn't install my GPU to work normal |
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| 08:39.19 | Arafangion | rotciv: Did you try etchnhalf packages? |
| 08:39.29 | simonrvn | Arafangion: s/IT// ; very true |
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| 08:39.35 | rotciv | Arafangion, nop |
| 08:39.54 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Come to think of it, that's even more accurate. |
| 08:40.02 | simonrvn | and i'd argue s/our/your/ but that doesn't matter right now |
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| 08:40.15 | rotciv | Arafangion, i asked in here and the people told me to upgrade to lenny, then i changed the repositories and started upgrading |
| 08:40.22 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Where do you live? |
| 08:40.29 | misery | which number was lenny again? |
| 08:40.49 | Arafangion | rotciv: Every person has their opinion, I'm a die-hard *stable* fanatic. |
| 08:40.49 | misery | you debian goons and your codenames. *sigh* |
| 08:41.13 | Arafangion | misery: At least we never call our OS "chicken". |
| 08:41.24 | misery | says who? |
| 08:41.39 | Arafangion | misery: Don't tell me you didn't catch the reference? |
| 08:41.52 | misery | nope sorry. never seen toy story |
| 08:42.10 | Arafangion | misery: Microsoft Vista is "Chicken" in some of the world's languages. |
| 08:42.16 | misery | oh. heh |
| 08:42.31 | misery | don't use dos OS' either |
| 08:42.44 | Arafangion | misery: And with Debian, the only thing that's important is that all the names refer to toys - except for Sid, ie unstable - he is the little kid next door who breaks toys. |
| 08:42.54 | Arafangion | multilates them, even. |
| 08:42.59 | misery | arent they all from toy story? |
| 08:43.07 | Arafangion | Yup. |
| 08:43.31 | misery | i thought that was amazing cos older ones before sid still match before the movie came out |
| 08:43.51 | simonrvn | !bo |
| 08:43.51 | dpkg | it has been said that bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 08:44.01 | simonrvn | !slink |
| 08:44.01 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 08:44.05 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 08:44.10 | misery | like ham and stuff |
| 08:44.12 | Arafangion | What was Debian 0.x? |
| 08:44.24 | Arafangion | I started with Potato. |
| 08:44.33 | simonrvn | me too |
| 08:44.42 | raul | i started with nothing instead |
| 08:45.05 | misery | hell of a fluke anyway |
| 08:45.11 | Arafangion | raul: We're better than you, in that case. ;) |
| 08:45.21 | Arafangion | raul: Until we sit and reflect, anyway. |
| 08:45.34 | raul | hu, just deassembling on the fly |
| 08:45.41 | raul | can u do that hu? |
| 08:45.48 | simonrvn | hands Arafangion a mirror |
| 08:46.01 | Arafangion | simonrvn: That'll help with the reflecting. :) |
| 08:46.06 | simonrvn | yup |
| 08:46.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:47.56 | Arafangion | Bah, and I'm supposed to be a good christian. Anyway. |
| 08:47.58 | Arafangion | I'm out. |
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| 08:48.28 | simonrvn | ninight |
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| 08:49.59 | wols | rotciv: your gpu is no reason. you could always use a backport driver |
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| 08:50.46 | wols | rotciv: we still haven't seen what problem you have |
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| 08:54.36 | misery | wild guess: its something to do with nvidia blatantly overwriting important libs like libGL.so etc on install. try the -A switch to the installer and read to install it all in /opt |
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| 08:55.14 | saintiss | hi all |
| 08:55.24 | saintiss | what's the "virtual" package for installing all development tools? |
| 08:55.28 | bolt-work | top o' the mornin' to ye |
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| 08:55.32 | saintiss | ie make, gcc, ... |
| 08:55.38 | bolt-work | build-essential |
| 08:55.44 | saintiss | thanks :) |
| 08:55.47 | ghaleb | hello, I have created a user to access to upload file to www using scp, how can I limit him from seeing the rest of my system files ? |
| 08:56.30 | bolt-work | ghaleb: read up on chroot |
| 08:57.13 | ghaleb | bolt-work: thank you |
| 08:57.25 | bolt-work | np :) |
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| 08:59.34 | ghaleb | bolt-work: when it should be specified ? at server startup ? |
| 09:00.17 | misery | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 09:00.17 | misery | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.17 | saintiss | when using update-rc.d, is there a way to specify which priority the links should be created as? |
| 09:00.19 | misery | ah crap |
| 09:00.41 | misery | spent hours on finding that out yesterday |
| 09:01.12 | misery | saintiss, rtfm |
| 09:01.46 | bolt-work | ghaleb: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 09:01.51 | misery | start <pri> stop <pri> |
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| 09:02.45 | saintiss | ok thanks |
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| 09:04.56 | MrNaz | i'm installing debian on a machine with a brand new motherboard, and the installer does not recognise the hard drives, probably because the installer does not have drivers for the motherboard's controller... the drives work fine in windows, havent tried another linux distro yet, but i'm downloading centos to test |
| 09:05.12 | MrNaz | assuming that i'm right and it is due to lack of drivers for the mobo, what are my options? |
| 09:05.13 | ghaleb | bolt-work: really thank you, this is exactly what I want. :) |
| 09:05.37 | MrNaz | does unstable have vastly updated drivers versus stable? |
| 09:06.49 | zenit | MrNaz: you could try an installer with the etchnhalf kernel. |
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| 09:07.03 | m_dige | Hi everyone |
| 09:07.26 | m_dige | How can I determine the pin value for a given package ? |
| 09:07.42 | MrNaz | zenit etchnhalf kernel ? |
| 09:07.57 | zenit | MrNaz: yes, an updatet kernel for debian etch. |
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| 09:08.01 | zenit | updated |
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| 09:08.08 | binarymutant | does anyone know how I can authenticate myself using wget on identi.ca/api/statuses/update.xml ? |
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| 09:08.38 | zenit | MrNaz: just google etchnhalf, and you should be there. It's only available as netinstall though, if I remember correctly. |
| 09:08.44 | misery | MrNaz, what kind of disks? |
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| 09:10.04 | bolt-work | m_dige: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 09:10.38 | m_dige | bolt-work: thanks |
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| 09:11.59 | bolt-work | m_dige: np |
| 09:12.00 | MrNaz | misery 1th western digital caviars |
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| 09:12.25 | misery | MrNaz, should be no problem with 4.0. it must be something else |
| 09:12.36 | MrNaz | misery i think its the controllers |
| 09:12.52 | misery | how new is the controller? and what chip is it? |
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| 09:13.00 | zenit | MrNaz: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
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| 09:15.32 | zenit | MrNaz: if that doesn't work out either, you could try a custom debian etch cd, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 09:16.10 | MrNaz | zenit i'm downloading centos... i dont want to stray too far from the beaten path, i'm not yet strong with the force... |
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| 09:16.30 | MrNaz | if etchnhalf doesnt work i'll just move to centos as a temp measure for this server until lenny is released |
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| 09:17.14 | bolt-work | MrNaz: or you could just use lenny |
| 09:17.49 | MrNaz | bolt is lenny ready for use on a production backup server? |
| 09:18.04 | jelly | no. |
| 09:18.12 | MrNaz | didnt think so |
| 09:18.19 | MrNaz | so it's etchnhalf or centos |
| 09:18.24 | MrNaz | in that order |
| 09:18.41 | jelly | debian doesn't mind if you put a custom kernel on it |
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| 09:19.05 | MrNaz | zenit / bolt-work / jelly / misery thanks for your help all you guys have been very helpful :) |
| 09:19.06 | jelly | (if fact, most of our ~100 servers have cusotm kernels) |
| 09:19.49 | MrNaz | jelly yea... i'm not that l33t yet :) |
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| 09:20.59 | misery | MrNaz, did you get it? |
| 09:21.00 | jelly | MrNaz: right, ue whatever you're comfortable with |
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| 09:22.45 | strawks | Hi all, I'm looking for a PC to build a media center (hdmi full hd 1080p), preferably a small PC. I like the Dell Studio Hybrid, but does anyone has any other recommendation? |
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| 09:23.24 | sajes | strawks: Why don't you just build one? |
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| 09:24.39 | gogstad | i've added a variable in /etc/environment, is there a way to "instantiate" this variable without restarting? |
| 09:24.50 | gogstad | "export FOO='foo'" doesn't leave the variable visible outside the current shell |
| 09:25.54 | gogstad | (running ubuntu though) |
| 09:25.54 | Guerin_ | fail |
| 09:25.54 | gogstad | :/ |
| 09:25.54 | strawks | sajes: I want a very small case, the Dell hybrid is approx. 20cmx20cmx7cm |
| 09:25.54 | idimmu | yeah thats not how computers work gogstad |
| 09:26.04 | strawks | sajes: if you know other hardware of this size I'm interrested :) |
| 09:26.06 | gogstad | too bad then |
| 09:26.57 | strawks | sajes: a std atx based system would be too large |
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| 09:27.53 | sajes | strawks: Never built a mini-PC, so I couldn't help you there. Sorry. |
| 09:28.37 | bolt-work | strawks: shuttle, perhaps? dunno |
| 09:29.03 | sajes | strawks: Although the mac mini is slightly smaller than 20cm. It costs a small fortune though. |
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| 09:31.20 | strawks | bolt-work: shuttle are bigger I think, but I'll take a look, thanks for the tip |
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| 09:32.00 | strawks | sajes: yep the mac are not cheap ;) |
| 09:33.01 | simonrvn | *cough* highway robbery *cough* |
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| 09:34.38 | bolt-work | noooo. you pay for the fantastic design and the os and the specially crafted polish and... |
| 09:34.45 | Trewas | strawks: btw if you want to watch h264 1080p stuff with it, you'll need some very much top of the line processor, my c2d e6750 falls short at least |
| 09:34.45 | bolt-work | okay, the mac sux |
| 09:34.48 | oculus_ | ipod touch w/iRIS dock for 1080p |
| 09:35.20 | simonrvn | agreed on design, disagree on sux, though there's always exceptions ;) |
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| 09:35.47 | sajes | bolt-work: I like the macbook pro. I'm just too cheap to shell out $2000+ for a laptop. |
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| 09:37.27 | simonrvn | it's nice when you get one for free ;) |
| 09:37.28 | bolt-work | sajes: they can't beat the pro lenovo machines |
| 09:38.12 | steinchen | hi all.. when i run mc the window is unreadable .. lines are drawn as "รข" |
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| 09:38.20 | strawks | Trewas: yes I know, I have a core 2@2GHz and it cannot play big buck bunny |
| 09:38.28 | bolt-work | simonrvn: nah, the mac mini is okay. i actually have one myself. still, i think it's overpriced |
| 09:38.54 | bolt-work | steinchen: locales |
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| 09:39.11 | bolt-work | steinchen: your terminal probably doesn't support utf-8 or something |
| 09:39.50 | steinchen | bolt-work, ok thanks ill try something |
| 09:39.56 | simonrvn | totoally overpriced |
| 09:39.58 | JDigital | basic linux question: If I chmod /home/ not-readable, and /home/jimm/ world-readable, can users access /home/jimm? |
| 09:40.13 | steinchen | changed to de_DE.ISO-8859-1 - still |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | otherwise i'd probably have 2 now instead of 0 |
| 09:40.27 | crashanddie | JDigital, access is relative |
| 09:40.39 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 09:40.58 | crashanddie | JDigital, is /home/ is not readable, then they can't see the contents of the directory, though, if it is executable, they can still go through it, if they know where they want to go |
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| 09:41.34 | steinchen | its for every dialog window.. what do i have to change? |
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| 09:42.54 | internat1 | stupid question.. how does one apply a kernel patch the debian way? |
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| 09:43.06 | internat1 | ie ive got the src, i have the kernel patch.. what else do i need to do |
| 09:43.24 | crashanddie | JDigital, the "readable" bit on a directory only defines if people can list the contents of a given directory. In order to enter said directory, you need the "executable" bit to be set |
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| 09:45.09 | JDigital | aha |
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| 09:47.47 | PiousMinion | Anyone else having problems with http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ?? |
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| 09:50.03 | Studiosus_ | hi :) can someone kindly provide .config for 2.6.2x kernel for asus m3a-h/hdmi, sata hdd and ide cdrom? |
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| 09:51.58 | sajes | Studiosus_: make menuconfig |
| 09:51.59 | misery | <gogstad> "export FOO='foo'" doesn't leave the variable visible outside the current shell <- thats a bashism if youre still curious |
| 09:52.00 | petemc | Studiosus_: debian kernel images dont work for you? |
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| 09:52.22 | misery | need to do export and assignment seperately |
| 09:53.11 | Studiosus_ | stock kernel works, I can't make my custom kernel turn on DMA for my IDE/ATA dvd drive. So, if someone can just tell what options can enable it, it will suffice :) |
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| 10:00.10 | mane | How to change screen resolution in debian, from 800x600 to 1024x768? |
| 10:00.28 | wols | mane: what debian version? |
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| 10:00.37 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:00.51 | mane | debian eatch, desktop install |
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| 10:00.58 | wols | !tell mane about drxx |
| 10:01.23 | mane | wols: whai is drxx? |
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| 10:01.59 | jon_ | read your priv msg and see :) |
| 10:02.14 | gypsymauro | I've added a disc to a raid 1 array with mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 and I grow it with mdadm -G -n 3 /dev/md0 then I've added /dev/hda1 as device in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but when I reboot the machine looking it /proc/mdstat I c |
| 10:02.19 | gypsymauro | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[0] sda1[1] 34860928 blocks [3/2] [UU_] |
| 10:02.20 | gypsymauro | is missing hda1 |
| 10:02.25 | gypsymauro | why that= |
| 10:02.55 | mane | wols: i have xorg installed and an old 128Mb Nvidia AGP video card. |
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| 10:03.59 | mane | wols: lspci: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| 10:04.43 | gypsymauro | and mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says |
| 10:04.44 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.44 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.45 | jon_ | so start with driver named nv |
| 10:04.48 | gypsymauro | but isn't removed.. |
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| 10:05.09 | jon_ | careful with pasting output, you could have put that on one line |
| 10:05.40 | mane | i think i am already using nv driver, how can i check it? |
| 10:06.02 | jon_ | do what was said in the privmsg, so you haven't done that yet? |
| 10:06.30 | jon_ | or you haven't at least looked into it to decide if that's what you want to do? |
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| 10:07.30 | jon_ | have you read your privmsg? |
| 10:07.45 | jon_ | is your computer turned on? |
| 10:07.49 | jon_ | :) |
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| 10:08.27 | jon_ | how far back do we need to go? (and "we" is going to be a strong word if it's so far it takes me away from stuff I need to do) |
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| 10:09.29 | g0rd0n | ? NO_PUBKEY |
| 10:10.02 | jon_ | which key? |
| 10:10.09 | mane | My Gnome desktop have one icon named "Screen Resolution" on >Desktop>Preferences, But it shows only 2 options, 640x480 or 800x600, how can i add 1024x768 option to thise utility? |
| 10:11.02 | g0rd0n | jon_: i added a repo to sources.list and need to add its key somehow, but i forgot how it goes, and i remember dpkg has an answer to that, but forgot what to tell him to spit it out |
| 10:11.08 | jon_ | mane: so, it is too far. please read the private message, come to understand it, decide if you want to do it |
| 10:11.29 | jon_ | mane: best of luck to you |
| 10:12.04 | jon_ | g0rd0n: which key? |
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| 10:12.10 | XLV | anyone can help with a mysterious grub problem? got a file server with four hdds, they are now four 250GB and i want to expand it to four 640GB.. each disk is partitioned as follows : 1st hdd 1st partition 200MB /boot raid1, 2nd partition 2GB swap raid1, 3rd partition 20GB /root raid1, rest is for raid5, all other hdds are partitioned similarly, now i have managed to install first 640GB hdd, i removed one of the 250GBs, installed 640GB in its place, partition |
| 10:12.10 | XLV | ed it, add the partitions to the raid arrays, rebuild went ok.. now i try to install 2nd 640GB hdd, and for the life of me i cant get grub to boot from the first 640GB hdd.. i put back the 250GB that was in the place of second 640GB, it appears that hdd is sda, while the first 640GB hdd i installed is /dev/sdb.. i made sure raid1 arrays on /dev/sdb are synced, then pointed grub to hd1.. the result, i keep getting error 17 |
| 10:12.11 | g0rd0n | jon_: C55A7EBEED7D414C |
| 10:13.29 | jon_ | XLV: in a pinch you could put a separate drive, very small, to boot from |
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| 10:13.52 | jon_ | once you have that you could figure out how to boot from the array |
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| 10:15.06 | jon_ | XLV: if you're replacing the 250s in the array, you -could- use one of the now-unused 250s in that capacity |
| 10:15.25 | jon_ | making "very small drive" an overly strong statement :) |
| 10:16.57 | mane | dpkg,wols: i did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it goes fine trow many steps, should i make Ctrl-Alt-Backspace now? |
| 10:16.58 | dpkg | You are moron #11, mane |
| 10:17.20 | mane | dpkg: i think not |
| 10:17.20 | dpkg | i don't know, mane |
| 10:19.17 | g0rd0n | heh |
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| 10:20.16 | jelly | mane: dpkg is a bot |
| 10:20.17 | mane | dpkg, wols: i did the crtl-alt-backspace it have worked thanks very much |
| 10:20.17 | dpkg | You are moron #12, mane |
| 10:20.44 | mane | what is morom? |
| 10:20.52 | crashanddie | mane, idiot |
| 10:21.01 | jelly | do not reply to it, else you'll be verbally abused |
| 10:21.21 | g0rd0n | rotfl |
| 10:21.24 | g0rd0n | ahhaha |
| 10:21.32 | g0rd0n | sorry |
| 10:21.32 | mane | thanks friends! now i can chose a very big list of screens resolution on my utility, |
| 10:21.34 | mane | thaks |
| 10:21.34 | g0rd0n | silent |
| 10:21.36 | mane | bye bye |
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| 10:22.00 | jon_ | dpkg: Hai,,, I iz in yur cpu, stealin yur cyckles! |
| 10:22.00 | dpkg | jon_: i don't know |
| 10:22.10 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 10:22.10 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 10:23.12 | blast_hardcheese | Question, How do I disable DMA on my CF HDD? |
| 10:23.15 | blast_hardcheese | http://pastebin.ca/1220584 |
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| 10:23.38 | blast_hardcheese | That's the log from startup, waiting for it to time out ads over 120 seconds to bootup |
| 10:23.51 | blast_hardcheese | s/ads/adds/ |
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| 10:29.25 | jon_ | blast_hardcheese: small explosive? :) |
| 10:29.43 | jon_ | how disabled do you want it to be? |
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| 10:30.08 | jon_ | waid, you just want to disable dma |
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| 10:31.26 | blast_hardcheese | Yep |
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| 10:32.14 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry to ruin your joke, the concept of disabling a disk with small explosives was amusing, but alas it's just the DMA aspect I want disabled. |
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| 10:34.12 | jon_ | np... you could look into using hdparm; I think that can turn on/off dma in the kernel/driver |
| 10:34.43 | mquin | "ideX=nodma" on the command line, maybe? http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Ultra-DMA.html#ss8.1 |
| 10:35.15 | blast_hardcheese | Hmmm |
| 10:35.19 | blast_hardcheese | That may work |
| 10:38.46 | jon_ | is that a module that loads? or is the driver in the kernel? |
| 10:39.00 | phorce1 | blast_hardcheese: read [linux_source]/Documentation/ide/ide.txt |
| 10:39.06 | jon_ | if it's a driver there's a file to put that option in |
| 10:39.14 | jon_ | err if it's a module |
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| 10:41.57 | phorce1 | and the command can be added in /bbot/grom/menu.lst to be used at boot time |
| 10:42.14 | phorce1 | HOLY CRAP == what happened to my fingers |
| 10:42.51 | phorce1 | make that "/boot/grub/menu.lst" |
| 10:42.54 | jon_ | I iz in yur elboz twangin on yur tendonz! |
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| 10:43.46 | phorce1 | bbot/grom? That's a full 2 key shift from home |
| 10:44.11 | simonrvn | too much of that green smoking stuff? :P |
| 10:44.27 | phorce1 | simonrvn: more likely not enough |
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| 10:45.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 10:51.46 | blast_hardcheese | Ah! |
| 10:51.57 | blast_hardcheese | Apparently I'm not alone in my quest! |
| 10:52.00 | blast_hardcheese | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-03/msg01243.html |
| 10:52.18 | blast_hardcheese | Apparently CF cards and DMA do NOT mix |
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| 10:53.25 | phorce1 | blast_hardcheese: try ide0=nodma instead of just ide=nodma |
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| 10:53.53 | blast_hardcheese | I've tried that |
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| 10:55.46 | blast_hardcheese | ah, nodma=0.0 possibly. |
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| 10:56.16 | phorce1 | blast_hardcheese: You may want to join one of the kernel mailing lists and ask about not being able to disable it then. The IDE drivers have been part of he kernel for a while now. |
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| 10:57.21 | phorce1 | blast_hardcheese: grub doesn't even need to be mentioned because it's not grub's fault. Grub passes the boot parameters, the kernel decides what to do with them. |
| 10:57.34 | phorce1 | simonrvn: The boss decided last month that there would be a surprise, company wide drug test on October 10th so I've been staying away from it. |
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| 10:57.49 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 10:57.54 | blast_hardcheese | phorcel: I said nothing about grub |
| 10:58.05 | phorce1 | is the boss SURPRISE! |
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| 10:58.26 | phorce1 | blast_hardcheese: the email you linked did |
| 10:58.32 | simonrvn | for some people, that stuff doesn't affect their work, and function normally. i think it should be discretionary. </rant> |
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| 10:59.37 | blast_hardcheese | I'm all for people treating drugs like alcohol. There's no real difference, they both make you look like an idiot and smell bad, I'm all for the user having the choice to do whatever s/he wants |
| 10:59.38 | phorce1 | So do I -- I wouldn't do that to my employee. Besides, I know for a fact he doesn't. And we keep alcohol in the office fridge, his beer and my bourbon |
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| 11:11.32 | blast_hardcheese | Spamming the arg line with all the options I've found hoping that one of them will disable DMA |
| 11:11.32 | blast_hardcheese | No such luck. |
| 11:11.32 | blast_hardcheese | dammit |
| 11:11.32 | blast_hardcheese | sleep time. |
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| 11:11.32 | simonrvn | hdparm ? |
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| 11:12.38 | RaymondX | testing |
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| 11:23.37 | badcfe | is it ok practice to keep apending to a log file and regularly truncating it? integer overflow on the file offset? |
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| 11:25.58 | badcfe | ofcourse, use of logrotate is the way to do it, but i just wonder whats goin on ... |
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| 11:26.22 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:27.51 | Octalot | badcfe: if you're truncating it, then the file offset will be set back to zero |
| 11:28.06 | phorce1 | badcfe: if you're truncating to 0 length then 'rm log;touch log' would be better |
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| 11:30.01 | phorce1 | badcfe: actually, 'mv log log.old;touch log;rm log.old' would probably get the empty logfile in place a bit quicker if the original is very large. |
| 11:30.17 | g0rd0n | how can i add the C55A7EBEED7D414C public key to apt-get? |
| 11:31.08 | phorce1 | g0rd0n: 'man apt-key' |
| 11:31.30 | mquin | badcfe: you'll also want to restart whatever processes (if any) have the logfile open before removing log.old |
| 11:31.31 | phorce1 | (I don't know the answer off the top of my head but I'll bet it's in there) |
| 11:31.55 | phorce1 | mquin: oooh, good point |
| 11:32.13 | misery | badcfe, UNIX file devices don't work like that. You're fine. |
| 11:32.24 | phorce1 | badcfe: is this starting to sound familiar? |
| 11:32.45 | phorce1 | a lot like what logrotate does |
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| 11:36.32 | spx2 | hi,I'm using vim in screen and vim is opening up very slowly,really really slow.what should I do in order to overcome this and why is this happening ? |
| 11:36.33 | phorce1 | look in 'top' in another screen and see what's sucking up resources |
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| 11:36.52 | phorce1 | (of course, 'top' is a hog so it'll open slowly too) |
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| 11:45.13 | oculus_______ | interesting |
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| 11:45.30 | Ungavezir | Ja wohl! |
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| 11:46.19 | Ungavezir | Ave jakub |
| 11:46.25 | jakub | ave |
| 11:46.29 | Ungavezir | Morituri te salutant! |
| 11:46.35 | streuner | talk english |
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| 11:47.01 | Ungavezir | talk ungarische! |
| 11:49.30 | vaq | How can i list what packages are installed? |
| 11:49.41 | idimmu | dpkg -l |
| 11:49.42 | dpkg | idimmu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:49.44 | streuner | vaq: dpkg -l |
| 11:49.52 | idimmu | stupid bot |
| 11:49.59 | streuner | dpkg, shaddup |
| 11:49.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 11:50.12 | streuner | haha, simonrvn's factoid :-) |
| 11:50.16 | oculus_______ | alright |
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| 11:53.22 | oculus_______ | does anyone know if it's possible to have nodes reply which routes multicasted streams are forwarded to? |
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| 13:18.25 | oculus_______ | if aptitude automatically removes old dependencies and is better at resolving current build dependencies, i can understand it not incorporating the build-dep |
| 13:18.33 | stew | chomwitt: the n in un means they are not installed. so I don't see what is wrong with having them uninstalled on a new etch system where you didn't install them |
| 13:18.35 | petemc | thats a rather long tail |
| 13:18.59 | oculus_______ | the source thing, well, that makes sense, too. who needs to have source managed? |
| 13:19.50 | misery | phorce1, you mean like having to do sed -f 's/etch/lenny/ ' /etc/apt/sources.list, or what? |
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| 13:20.20 | misery | thats not hard |
| 13:20.53 | stew | misery: look at chapter 4 of the release notes for etch: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" to get an idea of the procedure for etch, its was much more than editing sources.list and running dist-upgrade |
| 13:21.20 | phorce1 | misery: I still see people that say they just put "stable" in sources.list so they can "just dist-upgrade when the new version is released" |
| 13:22.15 | misery | putting 'stable' 'unstable' 'test... whatever is stupid, you need to do it on the release names so you get a reliably stable system. |
| 13:22.24 | phorce1 | misery: they don't have a clue and end up with badly broken systems |
| 13:22.38 | phorce1 | misery: exactly |
| 13:22.42 | enouf | phorce1: hrm, i think you mean if they have 'testing' -or- 'etch' rather than 'stable' -or- 'lenny' |
| 13:22.49 | misery | it sounded idiotic when it 1st got introduced, but now its amazingly brilliant. |
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| 13:23.11 | misery | yeh |
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| 13:23.46 | misery | ian murdock or whoevers in charge of this stuff is a pure genius. |
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| 13:24.03 | stew | misery: ian murdock isn't involved in the project at all |
| 13:24.18 | elijahwright | he's off being sun's axe-man now |
| 13:24.18 | phorce1 | enouf: No, just putting "stable" as the distro (for those who really want only the stable version) --- when a new version comes up the chain those people get hosed |
| 13:24.24 | misery | not anymore, but someone as brilliant still is |
| 13:24.28 | enouf | (anymore - and hasn't been for sometime) |
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| 13:25.14 | enouf | phorce1: how? yes, they will be upgraded if that's what you mean |
| 13:25.19 | misery | he handed down the legacy sensibly... |
| 13:25.26 | phorce1 | usually switches most systems to /testing when it "feels like it's getting close" |
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| 13:26.27 | misery | ...just wish i knew who it was without searching through bazillions of protocol docs. |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | stew: i thought he'd gone through the NM queue again a couple of years ago |
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| 13:26.52 | enouf | phorce1: once Lenny is stable, what's wrong with using stable? or having used stable all along? IF they only had 'etch' then they will be then using 'oldstable', once Lenny releases |
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| 13:27.06 | xlotlu | phorce1: no, that's ubuntu |
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| 13:27.44 | xlotlu | dist-upgrade never *ever* broke anything for me, some tens of systems since woody |
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| 13:28.55 | phorce1 | enouf: I'm thinking more about what happened with sarge->etch. It could happen again. If you use "stable" rather than "etch" (or whatever is currently stable) and expect a smooth upgrade just by typing aptitude dist-upgrade you might get surprised in a bad way |
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| 13:29.12 | stew | abrotman: he applied for nm, when it wasn't necessary becuase he was in emeritus status, but aiui, he never replied to the 'status-checkup' email(s) that are part of the very short process for reviving an emeritus account |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 13:29.40 | stew | xlotlu: then you are lucky |
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| 13:30.20 | guysoft42 | hey all, i seem to have the following error in my repository when running $ reprepro check:Internal error of the underlying BerkleyDB database: Within packages.db subtable hardy|main|i386 at c_get(DB_NEXT): DB_PAGE_NOTFOUND: Requested page not found . what to do/ |
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| 13:31.21 | abrotman | guysoft42: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:31.50 | enouf | phorce1: perhaps because the ftp uploads were spanned over several days? (i mean it took some days before all the mirrors were switched over, up to date?) Maybe i'm just misunderstanding, so nm then ;-) |
| 13:31.58 | guysoft42 | abrotman, ag its an ubuntu thing.. |
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| 13:32.01 | guysoft42 | ah* |
| 13:32.42 | abrotman | guysoft42: are you trying to run reprepro on Debian? or is the whole thing Ubuntu ? |
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| 13:32.48 | chomwitt | stew: sorry , but i feel stuck. if i got things right , 'available' lists installed packages, and 'status' the status of those installed packages, and dpkg --list '*' by looking at 'suggest' fields and crossexamining with available outputs what it things as uninstalled files. |
| 13:32.49 | phorce1 | enouf: heh --- lack of sleep probably has me not being too clear |
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| 13:33.26 | enouf | phorce1: it's cool - i'm half awake myself - and, i have to leave real soon ;-) |
| 13:33.35 | guysoft42 | aboman, well i am running in ubuntu.. but its does not have ubuntu related software.. it could be accessed on debian just as well |
| 13:33.37 | stew | chomwitt: no, available doesn't list installed packages, it lists available pakcages |
| 13:34.06 | abrotman | guysoft42: please ask #ubuntu |
| 13:34.14 | stew | chomwitt: yes, dpkg --list '*' is also looking at package relationships like depends/suggests/conflicts, etc |
| 13:35.22 | chomwitt | stew: as a word 'available' means to me even packages in a debian mirror repository, but dpkg dont know of repositories. |
| 13:35.49 | liable | hrm, why doesn't inetd have an init script anymore? |
| 13:36.15 | guysoft42 | abrotman, i did.. i have a feeling though they wont answer, they seem to pay more attention to new users rather than development stuff.. |
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| 13:36.37 | abrotman | it's still the correct place to ask |
| 13:36.41 | stew | chomwitt: that is correct |
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| 13:37.24 | enouf | liable: openbsd-inetd? |
| 13:37.34 | liable | yeah |
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| 13:37.58 | enouf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2324 2007-02-25 15:29 /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 13:38.17 | chomwitt | stew: so what does 'available' means in dpkg terms. the 'man dpkg' explanation is cyclical -> /var/lib/dpkg/available is the list of available files |
| 13:38.38 | liable | hrm, fresh install and its not there.. |
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| 13:38.46 | stew | chomwitt: it means a list of all of the packages avaialable via apt-get |
| 13:39.38 | enouf | chomwitt: apt/aptitude (and others) work very closely with dpkg, have you noticed this other file from the strace? file:///etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg ? read that |
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| 13:40.33 | chomwitt | enouf: i'll look at it now. |
| 13:40.53 | liable | oh, duh |
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| 13:42.06 | enouf | chomwitt: for me, that file is empty at this time, but see /var/log/dpkg.log.1 (and the others) |
| 13:43.03 | enouf | once dpkg.log gets to 2, logrotate or whatever gzips them, so use zless/zcat if you like, to view their contents |
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| 13:44.05 | enouf | liable: and epiphany? :-p |
| 13:44.10 | enouf | s/and/an |
| 13:44.59 | liable | a brainfart |
| 13:45.15 | enouf | ahh .. that's what that smell was :-p |
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| 13:46.03 | jimcooncat | doing some preseed installs, is there any way to automate putting my public ssh key into the default users ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
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| 13:47.49 | guysoft42 | abrotman, they dont seem to answer there at all, so maybe ill rephrase my question: is there a way to scan and repair a repository made with reprepo? |
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| 13:48.29 | abrotman | guysoft42: but you should be asking them .. or oyu can try ##linux |
| 13:48.49 | misery | jimcooncat, <root> cp <src> /etc/skel/.ssh/ |
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| 13:49.17 | misery | then adduser. |
| 13:49.46 | jimcooncat | misery: I believe I can't do that before debian-installer creates the first user though |
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| 13:50.21 | hjb | how can i forbid remote login via ssh for a specific user? |
| 13:50.25 | misery | jimcooncat, oh crap, you want to do this on install? i think youre shit out of luck. |
| 13:50.36 | guysoft42 | abrotman, what i really need is to catch my firend who is a debian developer.. |
| 13:50.54 | jimcooncat | misery: ok. maybe I can script it at the end of the install. thanks anyway |
| 13:51.08 | misery | jimcooncat, just do it, then deluser <install> |
| 13:51.26 | misery | after fixing /etc/adduser.cong |
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| 13:52.01 | misery | then add users you want. etc. |
| 13:52.08 | jimcooncat | ok |
| 13:53.40 | misery | finally. i helped someone :) |
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| 13:55.00 | jimcooncat | hjb: see "man sshd_config" for DenyUsers; make sure to restart sshd after editing the file |
| 13:55.32 | hjb | jimcooncat Thanks |
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| 13:55.37 | jimcooncat | np |
| 13:55.57 | pablo | hi, how can i see the time from where has my system configured? |
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| 13:56.51 | Pinchiukas | how do I find out the exact model of my cpu? |
| 13:57.07 | petemc | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:58.19 | jimcooncat | pablo, please reword the question -- the time your system was installed? the time you configured a daemon on the system? something else? |
| 13:58.28 | Pinchiukas | that just tells me the cpu family - mine is athlon |
| 13:58.32 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/d243afd89 |
| 13:58.35 | Pinchiukas | but I want to know the exact model |
| 13:59.02 | petemc | perhaps hwinfo |
| 13:59.33 | pablo | jimcooncat: i mean how do i change or check which time zone has my system set |
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| 14:01.01 | jimcooncat | Pinchiukas: that's funny, my cat /proc/cpuinfo tells me "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+" |
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| 14:01.47 | oculus_______ | !tell pablo -about tzconfig |
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| 14:03.07 | jimcooncat | Pablo, I did cat /etc/timezone and got "America/New_York" |
| 14:03.30 | jimcooncat | pablo: I don't know much about clocks though |
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| 14:04.01 | enouf | Pinchiukas: hwinfo, lshw, dmidecode are all valuable utils ;-) what's important though are your cpu flags ;-) (/proc/cpuinfo) |
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| 14:04.20 | enouf | !set the time |
| 14:04.20 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 14:04.30 | jimcooncat | maybe tzselect can change it |
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| 14:04.43 | pablo | jimcooncat: ok, i think i have thi right zone but my ntp server is giving an hour in advance |
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| 14:04.47 | enouf | runs off .. got some business to attend to |
| 14:05.32 | jimcooncat | are you one hour off from UTC? maybe it's giving you grenwich time? |
| 14:05.33 | misery | jimcooncat, btw, if theres that many systems, you could just burn a new cd with a different /etc/skel/ |
| 14:06.30 | misery | im sure the original sources for CD2 of debian are available somewhere |
| 14:06.38 | jimcooncat | misery: I'm doing a netboot on just a few systems; but I'm going to keep installing until I get everything right. |
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| 14:07.00 | Akuw | is there some app to save password ? |
| 14:07.05 | jimcooncat | misery: about time I learned how to made a .deb anyway |
| 14:07.06 | bwlang | so ... gfs or ocfs? |
| 14:07.57 | misery | jimcooncat, hehe. dont waste your time, i dunno what motivates those guys, but it must be pretty hardcore compared to a sun pkg |
| 14:08.51 | jimcooncat | misery: hey it don't look too hard; and if I didn't do it I'd have to do real work today anyway |
| 14:08.58 | bwlang | Akuw: google keepass |
| 14:09.22 | misery | jimcooncat, thats *exactly* what i said the 1st time i tried. |
| 14:09.29 | misery | :) |
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| 14:11.01 | misery | unfortunately this isnt sun stuff, so youre stuck with .debs &c. most just give up and learn perl or write a bourne shell script |
| 14:11.34 | oculus_______ | erlang, ftw |
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| 14:11.42 | misery | usually works out better anyway |
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| 14:12.37 | oculus_______ | although, erlang isn't standard and won't run on fresh systems, unless worked over a smidge |
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| 14:17.08 | jimcooncat | misery: yes, I can just write a bash script, and just run it with late_command. Probably smarter than making a package, since I'm not actually installing anything. Thanks for being a sounding board on this |
| 14:18.04 | misery | uh. np :) |
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| 14:19.16 | pzanoni | I'm building a binary package with "dpkg -b", and I specified Architecture as "all" in DEBIAN/control. But if I try to install it, dpkg will give me an error saying that package's architecture (any) doesn't match my system's arch (amd64). Is there a way to solve this without having a "source" package? |
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| 14:23.17 | pzanoni | pzanoni: correcting: I specified Architecture as "any", not all |
| 14:24.01 | bolt-work | "You talk to yourself and find out you already know what you're going to say" |
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| 14:29.39 | abrotman | !flw |
| 14:29.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
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| 14:58.17 | smacnay | anyone here having trouble with conduit syncing f-spot and gmail stuff? I am using "testing" and don't see a bug report for this unless I am unable to read the tech lingo very well. |
| 14:58.40 | tomoyuki28jp | I am currently using ubuntu and thinking to switch to debian. Could someone teach me good points of debian over ubuntu? |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:58.47 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:58.59 | abrotman | and you get to ask us for help! |
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| 14:59.19 | smacnay | tomocha6, debian is ubuntu with some tweaks as far as I can tell. |
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| 14:59.55 | cloakable | smacnay: um, ubuntu is debian with a few tweaks :P |
| 15:00.08 | smacnay | oops |
| 15:00.23 | smacnay | sorry, I had that backwards. That is what I meant ^^^ |
| 15:00.25 | cloakable | heh |
| 15:00.43 | Akuw | i need to know howw many files can havee a directory in linux? |
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| 15:01.20 | tomoyuki28jp | abrotman: smacnay: thanks for the info. I will take a look at the link. |
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| 15:02.13 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, good luck. personally, I like debian but ubuntu is really nice for those who want Debian with little setup and tweaking. |
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| 15:02.59 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, that said, I can still tweak and tinker in ubuntu as much as I want. |
| 15:03.12 | misery | theres the argument that 'dumbed-down' systems make it worse of course |
| 15:03.39 | idimmu | what |
| 15:03.44 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, I have a server running ubuntu and when I tweak it or add a service, I do the same things as I would to a Debian system. |
| 15:03.46 | smacnay | misery, |
| 15:04.16 | smacnay | misery, sure but there are a lot of people running macs that are completely happy (and Windows for that matter). |
| 15:04.17 | misery | having said that, a friend of mine is a sgi/irix guru, he uses ubuntu, because its pretty much the same complexity. |
| 15:04.22 | idimmu | suggesting ubuntu is dumbed down is the stupidist thing ive ever heard |
| 15:04.32 | ezguy | is there a lenny x64 usb install image? |
| 15:04.52 | smacnay | idimmu, ubuntu is not dumbed down - just presented in a way that new users feel no threat or need to tweak. |
| 15:05.00 | idimmu | indeed |
| 15:05.02 | stew | ezguy: the install guide contains instructions on setting up a usb install image: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 15:05.07 | idimmu | which is a good thing |
| 15:05.15 | misery | unfortunately, x86 is stupidly complicated thanks to intel. so we're stuck with it, but eh. |
| 15:05.20 | prahal_ | well what I could tell about ubuntu is that ehir stable is less stable than debian ones, and their unstable is more unstable |
| 15:05.30 | JoshH | not just new users |
| 15:05.33 | smacnay | idimmu, especially when the linux community would like more people to use it over something inferior |
| 15:05.35 | stew | prahal_: this is not generally true |
| 15:05.37 | JoshH | ubuntu doesn't have a stable and unstable |
| 15:05.40 | stew | however this is really getting off-topic |
| 15:05.47 | idimmu | prahal_: how so? |
| 15:05.48 | smacnay | yes |
| 15:05.49 | tomoyuki28jp | smacnay: I only use few software on linux like emacs, firefox, terminal and a window manager(StumpWM), so maybe I can just switch to debian. What I want to know is what the guys of ubuntu added on ubuntu which debian do not have as standard. |
| 15:06.05 | idimmu | tomoyuki28jp: install debian and find out :) |
| 15:06.12 | prahal_ | stew, ever tried unstable ubuntu ? or had friends with ubuntu server intalled ? |
| 15:06.21 | stew | prahal_: yes |
| 15:06.34 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, you know, there are some utilities and such but that is all I have ever noticed. |
| 15:06.36 | idimmu | prahal_: i have 100+ servers runningg ubuntu server .. |
| 15:06.48 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, I spend a lot of time in console and there is no difference to me |
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| 15:07.06 | tomoyuki28jp | idimmu: Yeah. I might not even aware though (since I am probably not currently using those) |
| 15:07.08 | prahal_ | idimmu, then you beat me :) |
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| 15:07.19 | eshat | Hi all |
| 15:07.20 | stew | prahal_: i've recommended ubuntu for server installs, becuase the server can remain stable longer, since ubuntu supports their stable installs longer, whereas debian makes you upgrade to a new release quicker |
| 15:07.21 | smacnay | has one server running |
| 15:07.31 | Akuw | i need to know howw many files can havee a directory in linux? |
| 15:07.46 | idimmu | (and theyre all stable, apart from one with an nforce chipset for the nic, which is the complete opposite of stable) |
| 15:07.56 | tomoyuki28jp | smacnay: So if I don't use that software which ubuntu added, I can just switch to debian, right? |
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| 15:08.03 | misery | and smacnay, thats because its a really nice version on freebsd. |
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| 15:08.19 | eshat | Is it normal that /sbin is readabke and executable for the world ? /sbin/ifconfig gives me the MAC Adress of anz network device which could be a security problem ?!? |
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| 15:08.30 | misery | i *love* those powerbooks. |
| 15:08.31 | stew | Akuw: it depends on the filesystem. and it also depends on whether you mean "how many is possible" or "how many can I have and still have the system usable", since, you can get to a point where you have so many files in a directory in ext3 that the system doesn't break, but becomes unusably slow |
| 15:08.34 | petemc | eshat: yes, thats normal |
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| 15:09.07 | Akuw | stew: i am using ext3 |
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| 15:12.23 | prahal_ | stew, yes though those upgrade are needed in the end (because for example clamav needs new engine). And I encountered real big issues with ubuntu dist upgrades whereas no real one happened with debian stable . That s not to tell I am not installing ubuntu when needs be though I stick to debian for my servers and power desktops (and install ubuntu for other needs that is desktops for average to new users). But intrepid is far from deb |
| 15:12.23 | prahal_ | ian unstable in terms of stability (even experimental debian ) |
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| 15:12.54 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, you will find all the stuff you use in Debian. |
| 15:13.12 | stew | prahal_: yes, debian unstable would be far more unstable than intrepid |
| 15:13.15 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, and anything or any config you had in ubuntu can be easily achieved in Deb as well |
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| 15:14.07 | prahal_ | stew, I am fixing intrepid bugs upstreams so I guess I experienced the limitation of using svn/cvs version of everything |
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| 15:14.50 | ezguy | stew: where can i find the instruction online? |
| 15:15.14 | stew | dpkg: tell ezguy about ig |
| 15:15.16 | stew | dpkg: tell ezguy about usb-install |
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| 15:16.03 | stew | ezguy: iirc it is chapter 4 of the install guilde |
| 15:16.05 | stew | guide* |
| 15:16.05 | tomoyuki28jp | smacnay: Got it. Thanks a lot for your help :) appreciate it. |
| 15:16.35 | ezguy | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:20.36 | smacnay | tomoyuki28jp, np |
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| 15:22.24 | digifor | I seem to have lost /dev/ttyACM0 My Nokia N70 in Lenny on an eeepc. |
| 15:22.34 | digifor | It is not detected when I connect |
| 15:22.43 | misery | fscikng 4.1 |
| 15:23.00 | misery | it'll be udev, no? |
| 15:23.09 | digifor | tail -f /var/log/syslog shows nothing when I connect |
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| 15:23.54 | flokuehn | digifor: dmesg ? |
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| 15:24.09 | misery | ive been out of it for a while, but probably you need to get the right udev rule |
| 15:24.27 | misery | ...unless they got rid of that junk |
| 15:25.07 | simonrvn | no they didn't. it's less junky now... that said, don't run that on a server ;). |
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| 15:25.26 | simonrvn | had bad experience with early udev |
| 15:25.26 | digifor | I can't seem my nokia. Would installing "setserial" help? |
| 15:25.45 | stew | !widbu |
| 15:25.45 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
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| 15:25.50 | simonrvn | is it connected via serial? |
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| 15:26.14 | misery | dpkg, udev blows, you fucking moron |
| 15:26.14 | dpkg | misery: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:26.44 | digifor | usbcable |
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| 15:26.52 | abrotman | misery: leave the bot alone |
| 15:27.04 | misery | so does devfs, and any thing else those geeks have tried because they just cant understand simple bus paths. |
| 15:27.14 | simonrvn | digifor: then no |
| 15:27.17 | misery | hehe |
| 15:27.19 | abrotman | misery: then you do better .. quit your complaining |
| 15:27.29 | simonrvn | devfs is worse, and thank $deity it's gone |
| 15:27.31 | stew | something tells me that the motivation was not that they couldn't understand bus paths |
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| 15:27.33 | digifor | The <expletive deleted> thing worked fine yesterday. |
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| 15:27.54 | digifor | Do I need to set the nokia in some sort of mode? |
| 15:28.01 | Arafangion | There is no other system implemented for linux that works well for usb devices. |
| 15:28.07 | misery | aboman, love to.... rm -rf /linux-2.6-*/drivers/udev |
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| 15:28.14 | simonrvn | you probably need *software* to connect to it |
| 15:28.15 | Arafangion | Or anything that can be added and removed dynamically |
| 15:28.17 | digifor | It is swiched on with a good battery :) |
| 15:28.19 | misery | or whatever it is. |
| 15:28.23 | abrotman | misery: stop being stupid |
| 15:28.33 | simonrvn | it's probably already seen by the machine |
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| 15:29.22 | misery | aboman, fine, but im only partially being stupid... every other UNIX system does without that stuff nicely thankyou very much |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | !tell misery about nictab |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | !tell misery about nicktab |
| 15:29.49 | simonrvn | *cough* devd |
| 15:29.50 | misery | yeh yeh, new install, sorry |
| 15:29.54 | Arafangion | misery: Find me another "UNIX" system that works fine with hardware added and removed from a running system, as is the case with laptops and usb devices. |
| 15:30.07 | misery | xchat is being bloody stupid for now |
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| 15:30.21 | abrotman | Arafangion: every commerical unix handles hotpluggable things |
| 15:30.23 | petemc | thats not a good argument, lots of unices support hot swapping things |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | (the hardware has to also) |
| 15:30.51 | misery | Arafangion, Sun, Sgi, HP, .... |
| 15:30.52 | boulbul | HI, our server died unexpectedly... and can not reboot it any more...even more trouble, the server is online...is there ay way I could access it without having to ask the guys at the host server to do it for me...it is going to cost mony..the server is dedicated |
| 15:30.57 | boulbul | thanks |
| 15:31.03 | smellynoser | Drive down there |
| 15:31.04 | misery | IBM... |
| 15:31.13 | misery | tell me when to stop |
| 15:31.19 | stew | stop |
| 15:31.27 | stew | this is all gotten way off-topic |
| 15:31.27 | jelly | liked devfs' modprobe-on-access |
| 15:31.49 | stew | misery: if you want help removing udev from your system, we can help with that |
| 15:31.59 | stew | (though it would be discouraged) |
| 15:32.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: Damn I must be tired, they must be able to support it, how on earth could you change a faulty NIC otherwise? |
| 15:32.31 | misery | stew, actually, i want to be 'up to date' and 'stable' debian, so im trying to deal with it. |
| 15:32.46 | misery | doesnt mean i like it |
| 15:32.53 | simonrvn | stew: why? it's not like it's crucial (and yeh i heard that talk about moving to dynamic /dev) |
| 15:33.17 | jelly | boulbul: can you log in to it (ssh)? Do you have access to console or a virtual power button? |
| 15:33.20 | simonrvn | (completely moving to it, not like now) |
| 15:33.21 | stew | simonrvn: becuase it means either compiling a custom kernel or using yaird, and I'd discourage both of those |
| 15:33.32 | simonrvn | oh ick, yaird |
| 15:33.44 | jelly | boulbul: or, are you already logged in perhaps? |
| 15:33.44 | stew | (and these days, for most people, removing udev would take stuff with it that the user actually wants) |
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| 15:34.07 | stew | misery: how can we help you be up to date? do you have security.debian.org in sources.list? |
| 15:34.14 | simonrvn | i know, it's dep'ed on from all sorts of thing... |
| 15:34.18 | simonrvn | things |
| 15:35.03 | misery | stew, im fine, im uptodate, there was no question there, simply a bitch about the stupidity of stuff debian has no control over. |
| 15:35.26 | boulbul | jelly: it does not even boo |
| 15:35.26 | misery | thankyou for asking |
| 15:37.03 | boulbul | jelly: oh, sorry i did not make myself clear....the server is a windows machine, and has crashed...at the moment it does not boot at all...and was wondering how you would act in such a situation? |
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| 15:37.42 | jelly | what's wrong with yaird? The recent releases, when backported, fix most of the annouing stuff |
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| 15:40.04 | simonrvn | jelly: oh good |
| 15:40.16 | simonrvn | jelly: like not working very well? |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | wfm |
| 15:40.27 | jhamlin | anyone have any luck purchasing an Acer without Winblows - or getting a rebate for returning winblows?? |
| 15:40.28 | smellynoser | boulbul: You're in the Debian channel, and I would drive down there and sort it or call them and tell them to sort it |
| 15:41.06 | jelly | I've resigned myself to having udev with etch, though, but it doesn't mean I like it. |
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| 15:41.35 | abrotman | jhamlin: which type of laptop .. acer sells a linux netbook |
| 15:42.20 | abrotman | jhamlin: and google has articles on getting a refund |
| 15:43.05 | jhamlin | abrotman: yah but they only sell the SSD and 3 cell battery version with linux :( I want the one with the 160 gig HD and 6 cell batt |
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| 15:44.26 | abrotman | jhamlin: then ask google |
| 15:44.29 | digifor | Do I need to install some package for debian to recognise the nokia N70 connected by USB? |
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| 15:44.54 | aliases123_ | digifor: no but to use it probably. |
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| 15:46.12 | boulbul | smellynoser: thanks |
| 15:46.31 | kottlett | damn... is lenny coming without pit as clocksource? |
| 15:47.17 | misery | wtf!? thats a KERNEL thing you idiot! |
| 15:47.34 | becks` | the people in bash don't answer, maybe somebody of you know. how can i grep the output of wget? i still see all the lines when doing wget www.abc.com | grep bla |
| 15:47.35 | aliases123_ | ~language |
| 15:47.35 | apt | language is probably A set of characters, phonemes, conventions, and rules used for conveying information. The aspects of a language are pragmatics, semantics, syntax, phonology, and morphology. |
| 15:48.17 | kottlett | misery: is pit not supported any more by upstream kernels? |
| 15:48.21 | misery | who keeps the original kernal installed by debian? hands up! |
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| 15:48.47 | asg | becks`: wget -O - |
| 15:49.07 | misery | kottlett, sure it is, but whatever they decide for you on install has NOTHING to do with its support. |
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| 15:49.26 | aliases123_ | misery: a lot do, so they get security support etc. |
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| 15:50.16 | kottlett | misery: hm... so pit is per default not available any more on lenny? |
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| 15:50.20 | misery | im sorry, but ive NEVER trusted a debian install kernel. recompiling is always the 1st thing i do. its not abnormal. |
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| 15:50.31 | simonrvn | becks`: shell redirection, like 2> ; 2>&1 stuff like that. man bash, type /REDIRECTION in the manual |
| 15:50.39 | petemc | misery: debian kernel images work fine |
| 15:50.44 | themill | misery: yes it is. |
| 15:50.53 | themill | !gentoosmite misery |
| 15:50.53 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling misery, and when it's all done, misery runs 7% slower than previously |
| 15:51.08 | kottlett | ^_^ |
| 15:51.14 | becks` | ok thank you guys :) |
| 15:51.15 | pgpkeys | themill - hahaha niiice |
| 15:51.26 | Xyc0 | Recompiling kernel on a clean install is like fapping in a new apartment, it's not home until you do it. |
| 15:51.46 | Xyc0 | too graphic? |
| 15:52.03 | kottlett | anybody else as weird as me and using the kernel provided by debian and missing pit? ;) |
| 15:52.07 | pgpkeys | fapping? (screwing?) |
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| 15:52.16 | aliases123_ | kottlett: do you need it / what exactly is it ? |
| 15:52.35 | pgpkeys | never heard that term before |
| 15:52.46 | misery | petemc, course they do... unless you have new/wierd hw |
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| 15:53.01 | misery | they boot. thats all they need to do |
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| 15:53.21 | kottlett | aliases123_: well... pit is the oldest piece of timer hardware - and recommended to be used in (vmware) guest systems |
| 15:53.28 | Xyc0 | pgpkeys: Fapping? It's like squash |
| 15:53.57 | aliases123_ | kottlett: wait you want to use the old timer if the newer kernel is now using a tickless clock which isn't having any negative effects other than for vmware ? |
| 15:54.09 | pgpkeys | british term? (i'm american) I thought you meant farting at first :) |
| 15:54.32 | radius | ack pgpkeys speaks! ltns ;p |
| 15:54.37 | petemc | ive some old xen machines where the domU claims to be up longer than the dom0 |
| 15:54.39 | pgpkeys | hey! |
| 15:54.59 | aliases123_ | petemc: that is possible :) |
| 15:55.01 | pgpkeys | what's up radius? yeah LONG time no see |
| 15:55.01 | Xyc0 | pgpkeys: Oh it's all american |
| 15:55.06 | pgpkeys | what's up radius? yeah LONG time no see |
| 15:55.06 | petemc | aliases123_: not in my set up it isnt |
| 15:55.26 | pgpkeys | Xyc0 - hrmm must be a regional thing :) |
| 15:55.40 | aliases123_ | no i don't get it either. -australian. |
| 15:55.51 | smellynoser | Ditto - English |
| 15:55.53 | Xyc0 | lololol I wish my friends were in here |
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| 15:56.00 | radius | pgpkeys, i msg'd you to avoid channel politics :) |
| 15:56.04 | Xyc0 | Fapping is a noise you make |
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| 15:56.11 | Xyc0 | fap fap fap fap |
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| 15:56.21 | aliases123_ | lets see what apt says. |
| 15:56.23 | aliases123_ | ~fap |
| 15:56.24 | apt | i heard fap is good |
| 15:56.28 | piasdom | hello all |
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| 15:57.05 | piasdom | anyone know the sources.list entry for iceweasel ? |
| 15:57.13 | pgpkeys | radius - yeah see your screen |
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| 15:57.29 | pgpkeys | Xyc0 - say no more. I get the picture :) |
| 15:57.31 | wols | iceweasel is in the normal main repo piasdom |
| 15:57.38 | aliases123_ | hi ah anyone familiar with ldap enough to help me make a proper address book i can use from evolution ? |
| 15:57.59 | Xyc0 | pgpkeys: I know you know |
| 15:57.59 | piasdom | says it can't fine package(i have sarge) |
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| 15:58.05 | jim_p | hi there. we just had a blackout some time ago and i was updating though apt. the update was cut and now it refuses to update again. I run apt-get update but it does nothing on apt-get upgrade. is there something i can do? |
| 15:58.09 | themill | dpkg: tell piasdom about sarge->etch |
| 15:58.35 | wols | piasdom: you need to upgrade. there is no iceweasel in sarge. and sarge isn't supported anymore. it has by now security holes which will not be fixed anymore |
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| 15:59.02 | wols | jim_p: what you mean "does nothing"? |
| 15:59.36 | piasdom | i can't update to etch....tried but it messes up my configuration for my mill |
| 15:59.45 | jim_p | wols: apt-get update reads the repos, and apt-get upgrade says 0 packages to upgrade, 0 to hold back etc |
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| 16:00.01 | wols | piasdom: you cannot have iceweasel in sarge and you are vulnerable to exploits. there is no choice |
| 16:00.03 | stew | piasdom: well iceweasel has only existed for 2 or so years, and sarge was frozen more like 4-5 years ago |
| 16:00.17 | wols | piasdom: what is this "mill"? |
| 16:00.43 | wols | jim_p: so what is the problem? if there is nothing to upgrade, it'S fine |
| 16:00.53 | piasdom | great....i'll have to talk to the manufacturer............sherline mill |
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| 16:01.19 | piasdom | www.sherline.com(model) |
| 16:01.19 | stew | piasdom: you have problems moving to etch, we could likely help with that |
| 16:01.30 | piasdom | (model 5400) |
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| 16:01.41 | piroko | Anyone here running on a powerbook/ibook? |
| 16:01.41 | wols | piasdom: and what prevents you from running it with etch? |
| 16:01.50 | piasdom | please stew |
| 16:01.53 | wols | !tell piasdom about anyone |
| 16:01.56 | aliases123_ | piasdom: is this a joke ? |
| 16:02.11 | piroko | I'm trying to get a battery status from the commandline and apm emulation is not enabled in the stock deb kernel |
| 16:02.20 | piasdom | i get error...i can try again with ya'll help...i forget the errors |
| 16:02.37 | piasdom | no joke |
| 16:02.42 | stew | piasdom: are you following the upgrade procedure in the release notes? (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 16:03.04 | piasdom | no stew....never saw that command |
| 16:03.13 | jim_p | wols: you dont get me. before the blackout i had some packages that were upgraded (openoffice etc). it begun downloading them, and it stopped due to blackout. now i re-run update, reads the repos and apt-get upgrade does nothing. I must have downloaded ~10MB of a 100MB upgrade. it does not resume! |
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| 16:03.51 | aliases123_ | um that model is a drill. not a computer. |
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| 16:04.09 | aliases123_ | (mill / drill not sure on the correct work) |
| 16:04.16 | mmhd | Hey |
| 16:04.21 | Selveste1_ | Hey - I have a problem with my network on my deb 4.0 x84_64, how do I reinstall the network handling ? I do not have installed network-manager |
| 16:04.49 | wols | Selveste1_: there is nothing to reinstall. what network card? |
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| 16:05.03 | jim_p | Selveste1_: the network handling? you can always edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 16:05.04 | piasdom | it's a mini mill...........that's the model from shereline.com |
| 16:05.14 | aliases123_ | so its computer controlled ? |
| 16:05.23 | piasdom | yes |
| 16:05.24 | wols | piasdom: we see that. but we can't see what debian has to do with it at all |
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| 16:05.50 | piasdom | isn't sarge debian ? |
| 16:06.00 | mmhd | I need help in something simple, I need to "cat file.log" and check how many times the word "test" was mentioned |
| 16:06.07 | wols | piasdom: it's an (old) version of debian. which is unsupported by now |
| 16:06.18 | piasdom | i know |
| 16:06.39 | piasdom | thanks for ya'll help...i'll contact the manufacturer |
| 16:06.39 | jim_p | wols: if i clean the cache? |
| 16:06.40 | Selveste1_ | It a D-Link 4-port card - 2 sec will try to find the product number |
| 16:06.46 | wols | piasdom: it's like you wanted to run internet explorer 8 on windows98: just not posible |
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| 16:07.09 | wols | jim_p: the packages file which are downloaded by apt-get update too |
| 16:07.13 | piasdom | oh ok..i get it now...no IE 8 :) |
| 16:07.29 | piasdom | thanks |
| 16:07.30 | Xyc0 | mmhd: I usually check the litter box for cat logs |
| 16:07.42 | wols | piasdom: you either upgrade to a recent version of debian (which you really should do) or it#s not doable |
| 16:08.05 | wols | Xyc0: don't do this. either do proper support or keep quiet please |
| 16:08.23 | jim_p | wols: i was thinking of cleaning the cach and force it to redownload |
| 16:08.25 | wols | mmhd: you grep for "test" and count the occurrences. see man grep for details |
| 16:08.36 | wols | jim_p: not only the cache as I told you |
| 16:09.03 | mmhd | wols any simple help? |
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| 16:09.06 | mmhd | So it would be like |
| 16:09.14 | mmhd | cat k.log | grep "test" |
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| 16:09.16 | mmhd | then? |
| 16:09.20 | wols | mmhd: no. man grep |
| 16:09.23 | jim_p | wols: nothing happened. i will change the server in the repos to some italian, so as to force apt to download new sources |
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| 16:09.28 | aliases123_ | mmhd: grep filenamehere. |
| 16:09.43 | mmhd | k thx wold |
| 16:09.46 | mmhd | wols * |
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| 16:10.16 | mmhd | How can I write the output of grep into a file? |
| 16:10.27 | wols | with redirection > file |
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| 16:10.54 | Selveste1_ | wols - its a Dlink DFE-580TX |
| 16:10.55 | mmhd | Then I think I can use |
| 16:10.58 | mmhd | wc - l |
| 16:11.09 | wols | Selveste1_: and what chip does it use? |
| 16:11.11 | jim_p | wols: it worked!!! thanks oyu! |
| 16:11.28 | misery | dpkg: that works fine, when you have 1 cpu |
| 16:11.28 | dpkg | misery: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:11.30 | wols | Selveste1_: ie is the driver for it laoded? |
| 16:11.53 | misery | ...? |
| 16:12.03 | wols | dpkg is a bot if you haven't noticed by now... |
| 16:12.03 | dpkg | i don't know, wols |
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| 16:12.42 | misery | wols, someone is talking through him though. |
| 16:12.55 | wols | misery: bullshit |
| 16:13.01 | misery | guess hes stopped. |
| 16:13.19 | JyZyXEL | omg i accidently removed /usr/lib/wine/kernel32.dll.so |
| 16:13.21 | misery | * dpkg spends 5 days recompiling misery, and when it's all done, misery runs 7% slower than previously |
| 16:13.23 | JyZyXEL | how do i get it back :( |
| 16:13.28 | wols | !gentoosmite misery |
| 16:13.28 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling misery, and when it's all done, misery runs 4% slower than previously |
| 16:13.31 | misery | bullshit my arse |
| 16:13.43 | wols | misery: if you lack a clue, best stop :P+ |
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| 16:13.58 | themill | misery: have a look at the line before dpkg recompiled you... |
| 16:13.58 | wols | JyZyXEL: reinstall the deb which has the file |
| 16:14.05 | misery | hmm, must have been you then? |
| 16:14.10 | JyZyXEL | can i just yank that file from there? |
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| 16:14.24 | themill | piasdom: I *think* this is the driver that you use for your milling machine, and instructions for how to install it under etch. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Etch_Compile_EMC2 |
| 16:14.26 | misery | <themill> !gentoosmite misery? |
| 16:14.33 | Selveste1_ | wols - Yes, and it works fine to, but every 2. time I try to ping something, it promb my this: "connect: Resource temporarily unavailable" and its not the VPN any more, cause I have removed it |
| 16:14.37 | themill | !confuse misery |
| 16:14.37 | dpkg | No, them was my bacon tomorrow, misery? trousers of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cream |
| 16:15.04 | wols | misery: how old are you? |
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| 16:15.18 | JyZyXEL | apt-file search kernel32.dll.so |
| 16:15.20 | JyZyXEL | like that? |
| 16:15.20 | misery | meh, wow, this is what happens when you install a eliza based bot on a busy channel |
| 16:15.25 | aliases123_ | themill: how ironic you found that given your nick. misery dpkg and apt are both bots. now stop trolling. |
| 16:15.27 | JyZyXEL | no package has it :( |
| 16:15.33 | kottlett | aliases123_: damn fone -_- how is this tickless clock thing working? ther kernel used the tsc per default... |
| 16:16.04 | digifor | Why has my nokia n70 dissapeared in Lenny? |
| 16:16.07 | themill | aliases123_: heh :) |
| 16:16.11 | misery | fooled with this before. what dpkg runs is only good when the majority of ppl dont talk shit |
| 16:16.16 | wols | JyZyXEL: more bullshit |
| 16:16.25 | misery | ...otherwise it just picks up garbage |
| 16:16.51 | themill | dpkg, find kernel32.dll.so etch |
| 16:17.00 | wols | dpkg: what are you? |
| 16:17.00 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 16:17.06 | aliases123_ | should be within a wine related package. no ? |
| 16:17.10 | wols | misery: there is no eliza based bot here |
| 16:17.20 | JyZyXEL | ic |
| 16:17.21 | wols | aliases123_: it is. he's just not capable of finding it |
| 16:17.22 | misery | its got silly options enabled |
| 16:17.32 | misery | i know it. |
| 16:17.33 | wols | misery: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:17.52 | themill | misery: sure it does. The ones where it lets us lart people who are annoying us. |
| 16:17.57 | misery | been there, done that, etc. studied it at university. |
| 16:18.14 | wols | damn, unis really went downhill it seems |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel32.dll.so' (1): (/usr/lib/wine/kernel32.dll.so) in libs/libwine. |
| 16:18.41 | aliases123_ | wols: ^^ you do have a point. misery so you are here because ? |
| 16:18.51 | themill | JyZyXEL: ^^ |
| 16:18.54 | themill | misery: go find out what an infobot is. You can even look at dpkg's source code on line. There's no eliza there. |
| 16:18.54 | JyZyXEL | o.O |
| 16:19.03 | themill | dpkg, you're slow |
| 16:19.04 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
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| 16:19.23 | wols | wishes stew would be successful |
| 16:19.31 | aliases123_ | thinks this is just flooding the channel with rubbish atm. |
| 16:19.40 | digifor | Turned the nokia on and off again and now the N70 shows up as /dev/ttyACM0 :) |
| 16:19.49 | themill | stew: how's the "find" plugin for judd going? |
| 16:19.54 | themill | hides under the desk |
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| 16:20.34 | dogan | what was the the name of the site we using for copy/paste texts and show it here |
| 16:20.38 | dogan | anybody knows ? |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | themill: not well |
| 16:20.42 | piroko | dogan: rafb.net/paste |
| 16:20.47 | dogan | ok thanx |
| 16:20.48 | themill | stew: ;( |
| 16:21.04 | stew | themill: the import takes hours and the find itself takes minutes (depending on cache hits) |
| 16:21.06 | cwheeler | hi what are good sound cards for debian? |
| 16:21.13 | themill | stew: oh... not good. |
| 16:21.24 | aliases123_ | stew: you might want to look into bzr-searching - that is new and farily portable. |
| 16:21.55 | wols | cwheeler: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 16:21.58 | stew | aliases123_: what would bzr-searching do for me? |
| 16:22.12 | kottlett | aliases123_: please... give the magic word of timing ^_^ |
| 16:22.18 | themill | stew: presumably due to substring matching slowing things down and invalidating the indexes that you have to the tables? |
| 16:22.32 | aliases123_ | if you are trying to do some finding / searching that might help you a start. i don't know what jedd is - just took a guess sorry :( |
| 16:22.44 | themill | judd: what are you |
| 16:22.46 | judd | themill: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 16:22.46 | stew | themill: yes, and i haven't figured out how to get GIN indexes working yet, which is going to, however, just slow down the import |
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| 16:23.12 | cwheeler | hcl |
| 16:23.15 | aliases123_ | judd oh it is a new bott |
| 16:23.15 | judd | aliases123_: Error: "oh" is not a valid command. |
| 16:23.35 | themill | stew: so an incremental import is going to be necessary to make it feasible (not drop and reimport) |
| 16:23.39 | Selveste1_ | wols - never mid, it a D-Link problem whit my AMD64 bit CPU :S bug report on D-Link side for Solaris/RedHat/SuSE/Ubuntu/Debian amd64 version - thnx for your time :P |
| 16:23.54 | themill | stew: unless you feel like calling out to apt-file :) |
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| 16:28.44 | digifor | Great now I can surf the net while I ride the bus for two hours everyday! |
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| 16:29.07 | digifor | good night and thanks |
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| 16:31.08 | Selveste1_ | digifor - night |
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| 16:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | now where was that guy from... weird time for having night |
| 16:32.29 | Selveste1_ | hehe :P Im from DK and we have afternoon :P |
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| 16:33.20 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: cambodia |
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| 16:38.39 | dniel | does anybody know zebra for bgp? |
| 16:40.00 | mquin | a little bit |
| 16:40.15 | dniel | mquin, does zebra run on kernel 2.6? |
| 16:40.22 | mquin | yes |
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| 16:41.19 | dniel | mquin, because I saw in zebra.org only run with kernel 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 16:41.41 | dniel | mquin, Is zebra dificult to configure? |
| 16:41.59 | mquin | for a new install I'd suggest taking a look at Quagga - AIUI development on zebra has pretty much stopped |
| 16:42.06 | jelly | !zebra |
| 16:42.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, zebra is A GPL'd, BGP/OSPF/RIP capable routing daemon. http://www.zebra.org, or a badass replacement for gated, or now considered orphaned, ask about me about <quagga>. |
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| 16:42.46 | Selveste1_ | !quagga |
| 16:42.46 | dpkg | from memory, quagga is a BGP/OSPF/RIP routing daemon, like <zebra>. http://www.quagga.net |
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| 16:43.04 | mquin | dniel: I didn't think so - if you're familar with IOS you'll be right at home, if you aren't it isn't a particuarlly steep learning curve |
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| 16:43.05 | Legality | Hi |
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| 16:43.13 | misery | boo! |
| 16:43.22 | misery | :) |
| 16:43.35 | Legality | if I have 2x200gb hdds, can I mount them both to the same mountpoit and have 400 gb of hdd space for example in / partition? |
| 16:43.45 | dniel | wow! thanks! I didn't know Quagga |
| 16:43.49 | dniel | :D |
| 16:43.57 | wols | !tell Legality about lvm |
| 16:43.58 | misery | Legality, raid 0 |
| 16:44.06 | misery | no, raid 0 |
| 16:44.08 | wols | Legality: or you use a raid0 |
| 16:44.09 | Legality | raid0 is not the case is it? |
| 16:44.12 | jelly | Legality: you can use lvm to create a single large block device |
| 16:44.15 | misery | its easier |
| 16:44.21 | Legality | oh yea |
| 16:44.24 | Legality | I can use lvm |
| 16:44.25 | Legality | true |
| 16:44.41 | dniel | mquin, yes I saw that zebra is stopped |
| 16:44.41 | jelly | misery: it's also less flexible |
| 16:44.52 | dniel | mquin, last release 2005 |
| 16:44.53 | wols | jelly: don't |
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| 16:45.03 | misery | jelly, doesnt sound like he cares. |
| 16:45.20 | jelly | wols: start? Not going to. |
| 16:45.36 | misery | Question: 2 200G disks, Answer: raid0. simple |
| 16:45.47 | koolhead17 | i need to install honeyed on debian stable |
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| 16:46.52 | dniel | mquin, thank |
| 16:47.05 | keith4 | koolhead17: the package is "honeyd" |
| 16:47.12 | mquin | would go with LVM as well, much more flexible and robust. RAID 0's only worth the risk if you _really_ need the performance it offers |
| 16:47.26 | jkimball4 | anyone have a somewhat good idea when 5.0 will be gold? |
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| 16:47.34 | keith4 | !wwlr |
| 16:47.34 | jkimball4 | waits patiently still |
| 16:47.34 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 16:47.43 | jkimball4 | doh |
| 16:47.43 | koolhead17 | keith4: do you play with honeyopots |
| 16:48.02 | jelly | has half a mind to s/second half of 2008/first half of 2009/ |
| 16:48.08 | keith4 | koolhead17: no. but I know how to find packages. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=honeyd |
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| 16:48.10 | Selveste1_ | !lenny status |
| 16:48.10 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 16:48.27 | jkimball4 | thanks keith4. same thing i've been hearing everywhere else |
| 16:48.29 | dniel | mquin, do you probe quagga in debian? |
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| 16:48.47 | mquin | dniel: probe? |
| 16:49.23 | dniel | mquin, try? |
| 16:49.35 | dniel | do you try quagga in debina? |
| 16:49.59 | dniel | mquin, sorry.... my english isn't good |
| 16:50.03 | larcen_ | im installing rt2500 drivers from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ in lenny and when i execute ifup it send me this error -> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. Failed to bring up wlan0. |
| 16:50.26 | larcen_ | what is going wrong?? |
| 16:50.49 | wols | larcen_: did you install the firmware? |
| 16:51.11 | larcen_ | no...but its rare |
| 16:51.15 | wols | larcen_: check your dmesg |
| 16:51.18 | dniel | mquin, do you try quagga in debian? |
| 16:51.21 | wols | what is rare? |
| 16:51.32 | mquin | dniel: yes - I'm running the Etch packaged version in a few places - on 6 or so machines at work talking OSPF, and on an experimental network doing BGP |
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| 16:51.44 | larcen_ | because first i install ndiswrapper and it dont work...and after i probe this and work |
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| 16:52.09 | wols | larcen_: I told you to check your dmesg |
| 16:52.10 | larcen_ | but i uninstall ndiswrapper and reboot it doesn't work again |
| 16:52.28 | dniel | mquin, it sounds good |
| 16:52.36 | larcen_ | ok...let me see |
| 16:52.55 | wols | larcen_: and ifconfig -a |
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| 16:53.30 | larcen_ | ifconfig -a only shows me eth0 and lo interfaces |
| 16:53.39 | dniel | mquin, where can I start reading about bgp |
| 16:53.57 | larcen_ | what am i seraching in dmesg exactly? |
| 16:54.01 | dniel | mquin, do you know a good book about it? |
| 16:54.14 | wols | larcen_: mentioning of your wlan, waln0 or similar |
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| 16:54.21 | wols | larcen_: is the kernel module even loaded? |
| 16:54.57 | dniel | mquin, because I'm working at Nacional University of Cordoba and I'm thinking to implement a bgp router to remplace a CISCO |
| 16:55.00 | larcen_ | dmesg | grep rt2500 [ 13.948839] rt2500: 1.1.0 CVS CVS Release http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 16:55.15 | wols | larcen_: that is not enough. check it in dmesg. ALL of it |
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| 16:56.03 | larcen_ | dmesg | grep wlan0 doen't return anything |
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| 16:56.37 | wols | larcen_: since you don't actually check dmesg properly, come back if you do if you want me to help |
| 16:57.00 | wols | there are more lines than just matching ones with rt2500 |
| 16:57.00 | larcen_ | i'm doing it |
| 16:57.11 | larcen_ | but i can't see anything wrong |
| 16:57.16 | wols | no you are not. pastebin the full output of dmesg if you can't do it on your own |
| 16:57.31 | larcen_ | ok |
| 16:57.37 | larcen_ | give me a URL to paste |
| 16:57.42 | wols | !paste |
| 16:57.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 16:57.48 | dniel | mquin, but I don't know about bgp.... And I want to do something about this for my final work (in my career) |
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| 16:58.40 | wols | dniel: why do you need routersoftware if you don't have a clue about bgp? |
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| 17:00.45 | larcen_ | http://paste.debian.net/18660/ |
| 17:01.05 | larcen_ | this is my complete dmesg output |
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| 17:02.51 | larcen_ | it's like the wireless interface doesn't exists |
| 17:02.53 | dniel | wols, because we need this. I'll study bgp because I'm intersting |
| 17:03.02 | extor | /dev/sda6 /usr reiserfs notail,noatime 0 2 <--- Are these defaults in /etc/fstab making my disk slow? |
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| 17:03.15 | Fenix|work | Greetings |
| 17:03.21 | larcen_ | hi |
| 17:03.35 | Fenix|work | I'm having some difficulties with the cron jobs with sarg-reports |
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| 17:04.07 | Fenix|work | if I manually run sarg-reports today, the sarg reports for squid work for the present day |
| 17:04.35 | Fenix|work | if I run sarg-reports [daily, weekly, monthly] nothing happens at all... sarg-reports daily doesn't even update the logs |
| 17:04.46 | Fenix|work | this is stock out of apt |
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| 17:11.21 | badcfe | i get the following when plugging in my USB2.0 cable going to my HP printer |
| 17:11.22 | badcfe | [ 242.076401] usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9 |
| 17:11.22 | badcfe | [ 242.691183] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71 |
| 17:11.22 | badcfe | [ 242.691200] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
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| 17:11.55 | mquin | dniel: I learned about it mostly by poking around on cisco's documentation site and trial-and error |
| 17:12.07 | badcfe | oh. didnt know three lines pasted was too much. |
| 17:12.40 | badcfe | well, my question is simply what it means. |
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| 17:13.03 | badcfe | i tryed different USB ports on my computer. all the same. |
| 17:13.24 | badcfe | address 2 ... address 9 with the above message. |
| 17:13.27 | jelly | that doesn't look like a high speed was configured |
| 17:13.30 | badcfe | what does the -71 mean? |
| 17:13.40 | jelly | do other usb2 devices work? |
| 17:13.59 | badcfe | jelly: hmm. thats true. says low speed, yes. |
| 17:14.11 | badcfe | other usb devices work; camera, mouse and kbd |
| 17:14.29 | jelly | is camera a usb2 device? other probably aren't? |
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| 17:14.36 | flowr | Hello. GDM(?) doesnt work with my updated kernel. I have no idea why. If I boot with an older kernel, it works. |
| 17:15.14 | jelly | flowr: which xorg driver do you use? pastebin your failing /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:15.55 | badcfe | jelly: should i somehow set highspeed mode? how? |
| 17:16.27 | badcfe | jelly: where can i look up codes like that -71 here? |
| 17:16.39 | larcen_ | wols i find the problem |
| 17:17.06 | jelly | badcfe: no idea; I'm just trying to figure out whether usb2 ever worked on your machine, and possibly suggest a kernel upgrade if it didn't :-) |
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| 17:17.41 | badcfe | jelly: actually, after doing dist-upgrade last time i got a KERNEL PANIC |
| 17:17.50 | badcfe | thats why im not using the latest kernel |
| 17:18.10 | jelly | badcfe: which debian release? |
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| 17:18.16 | badcfe | lenny yeah |
| 17:18.22 | jelly | uname -r? |
| 17:18.36 | badcfe | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 17:18.47 | jelly | that's fresh enough |
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| 17:19.50 | vahnx | where can i find my computer in ubuntu |
| 17:19.50 | badcfe | tries dist-upgrade to insert new kernel as in lenny |
| 17:19.56 | flowr | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m4c338499 |
| 17:20.14 | vahnx | where can i find my computer in ubuntu |
| 17:20.22 | badcfe | vahnx: on your table, or maybe under your seat? |
| 17:20.38 | simonrvn | !tell vahnx -about repeat |
| 17:20.45 | vahnx | my friend did that sorry |
| 17:21.06 | simonrvn | what's a "my computer"? |
| 17:21.19 | vahnx | isnt that the administrative system |
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| 17:21.29 | simonrvn | other tan the fact it's right beside you.... |
| 17:21.33 | simonrvn | than* |
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| 17:21.42 | Eulex | vahnx, #ubuntu |
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| 17:22.21 | simonrvn | now he'll go troll #ubuntu ;p |
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| 17:23.00 | TurboBee | what if he was serious? XD |
| 17:23.13 | stew | then #ubuntu should be able to help him |
| 17:23.22 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 17:24.21 | cwheeler | how do i set gcc -j option in environment? |
| 17:24.31 | cwheeler | can't find docs in debian lenny |
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| 17:25.15 | Eulex | add it to CFLAGS |
| 17:25.18 | badcfe | cwheeler: man page says, see the fine info page, and info page is not even there right? |
| 17:25.23 | Eulex | (if compiling C code) |
| 17:25.30 | cwheeler | can't find info page |
| 17:25.40 | cwheeler | not installed, cant find in synaptic |
| 17:25.47 | cwheeler | thanks Eulex |
| 17:27.02 | badcfe | in my experience theres a lot of more work to write info pages than writing man pages. |
| 17:27.02 | badcfe | so info pages will die. |
| 17:27.02 | simonrvn | cwheeler: -j flag is for make not gcc |
| 17:27.02 | cwheeler | gcc info pages exist but they aren't on this system |
| 17:27.02 | cwheeler | oh right |
| 17:27.02 | badcfe | why some man pages refer to them is just because gnu wants info pages to take over |
| 17:27.07 | badcfe | wich is insane |
| 17:27.18 | cwheeler | well i wanna set it to compile kernel with debian tools |
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| 17:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cwheeler, which info page was that? |
| 17:27.59 | cwheeler | i have make-kpkg manpage now |
| 17:28.11 | cwheeler | gcc info pages aren't on my lenny beta system |
| 17:28.34 | stew | cwheeler: no, they were removed from debian becuase they are non-free |
| 17:28.40 | stew | cwheeler: you can get them from non-free though |
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| 17:28.45 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 17:28.54 | cwheeler | infopages aren't free? |
| 17:29.05 | stew | cwheeler: correct, they aren't free |
| 17:29.28 | stew | cwheeler: though i dont' see a -j for gcc, are you sure you don't mean make's -j for build concurrency? |
| 17:29.42 | cwheeler | -j for make i was confused |
| 17:29.43 | badcfe | i have usb error -71 in dmesg, *can* the usb device (my hp printer) be the problem |
| 17:29.50 | simonrvn | stew: covered that already ;) |
| 17:30.10 | stew | cwheeler: you want the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL environment variable (which is documented in make-kpkg's manpage) |
| 17:30.26 | cwheeler | thanks stew |
| 17:30.35 | simonrvn | \o/ stew |
| 17:30.37 | cwheeler | i found make-kpkg manpage |
| 17:31.47 | badcfe | reboots on /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:32.40 | Fenix|work | can anyone give a hand with sarg-reports and it's options not working except for sarg-reports today? |
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| 17:34.30 | cwheeler | is it true that etch won't work with new SATA hardware? |
| 17:34.37 | badcfe | still have error -71 in dmesg |
| 17:34.42 | badcfe | still dont know what it means |
| 17:34.45 | abrotman | cwheeler: depends on the controller |
| 17:34.58 | badcfe | if i pastebin my dmesg would someone be able to find out here? |
| 17:35.00 | liable | its not etch perse, its the kernel. thats what etchnhalf is for |
| 17:35.12 | cwheeler | it wouldn't find dvd drive on my new machine but lenny works fine |
| 17:35.28 | cwheeler | etchnhalf? |
| 17:35.31 | badcfe | so one has to run lenny |
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| 17:36.16 | stew | cwheeler: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 17:36.33 | cwheeler | what's the non free repository called? |
| 17:36.38 | stew | cwheeler: non-free |
| 17:36.51 | stew | cwheeler: (/msg dpkg non-free) |
| 17:37.02 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 17:40.08 | Fenix|work | Ok, I think I found my problem... logrotate is truncating my logs so sarg-reports doesn't have anything to report. Is there any way to have logrotate ignore, or use a different schedule for a specific set of log files? |
| 17:40.18 | cilkay | Hello. I want to set up a private repository for machines on my LAN. I've read the docs here: http://www.isotton.com/software/debian/docs/repository-howto/repository-howto.html and it seems pretty straightforward to set up. How would I keep the repo up-to-date? |
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| 17:40.33 | Zonei | Hi folks. Question. What do you recommend I configure iptables to do with rejected packages? DROP them or REJECT? I mean, is returning error message sent by REJECT waste of resources? Or does it actually prevent repeated attempts by the remote system? |
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| 17:41.18 | abrotman | Zonei: #iptables |
| 17:41.29 | magyar_ | hi, is there a backport from lenny to etch? |
| 17:41.36 | Zonei | abrotman: thanks, I'll ask there. ;) |
| 17:41.45 | abrotman | magyar_: for what? |
| 17:41.54 | magyar_ | abrotman, smartmontools |
| 17:41.57 | badcfe | http://pastebin.ca/1220885 |
| 17:42.03 | badcfe | udb problem |
| 17:42.06 | abrotman | magyar_: packages.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 17:42.41 | abrotman | badcfe: you might want to narrow it down .. that's a large paste |
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| 17:43.12 | badcfe | abrotman: search for -71 |
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| 17:44.00 | DustyDingo | hm, is there a way to wrap a program, so when it opens a raw socket, this socket gets forwarded over a tcp connection to another host and terminates there in a rawsocket? |
| 17:44.25 | badcfe | DustyDingo: yes. |
| 17:44.39 | badcfe | DustyDingo: a friend of mine did the oposite. |
| 17:44.56 | DustyDingo | the oposite? |
| 17:45.10 | DustyDingo | i mean are there any standard tool, which i can use for this |
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| 17:45.27 | badcfe | DustyDingo: he made tcp sockets go over (proprietary) another proto stack |
| 17:45.42 | badcfe | DustyDingo: i dont think so. its hard |
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| 17:46.22 | badcfe | DustyDingo: LD_PRELOAD a lib that interposes all system calls that may operate on a socket |
| 17:46.57 | badcfe | abrotman: do you know whats the -71 is all about? |
| 17:47.28 | badcfe | abrotman: im sorry to ask, but is the value a kernel -errno value? where can i search for this? |
| 17:47.29 | DustyDingo | badcfe: hm, i guess i will have to do something similiar |
| 17:47.48 | badcfe | DustyDingo: its hard code stuff but certainly fun |
| 17:47.50 | DustyDingo | well, it's a bit hard to wrap when it comes to rawsockets i guess |
| 17:48.00 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.17 | DustyDingo | with TCP you use a socks proxy and you are done |
| 17:48.25 | magyar_ | thanks abrotman |
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| 17:48.55 | magyar_ | not sure if I have to pin the packages from backport so it can be installed through apt |
| 17:49.38 | badcfe | DustyDingo: i didnt understant .. how you use socks proxy to do what? |
| 17:49.59 | dandc | I want a fairly recent version of lftp, but the one in the repository is ollld. Where would I go to find a recent repository? |
| 17:50.19 | badcfe | someone could help me with this 'error -71' message here? http://pastebin.ca/1220885 |
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| 17:50.32 | stew | dandc: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:50.36 | badcfe | what does it mean? |
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| 17:51.18 | stew | magyar_: pinning is one option, see the instructions page on backports.org for that option and others |
| 17:51.36 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.47 | dandc | stew: it's not on backports. Can I use the ubuntu repositories? |
| 17:51.58 | badcfe | hmm, maybe ill try disabling apic? |
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| 17:52.17 | stew | dandc: not directly. you can use the source from ubuntu or debian sid to compile a backport: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:52.34 | stew | dandc: you don't want to directly install a ubuntu package onto debian |
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| 17:53.14 | magyar_ | stew, thanks |
| 17:53.14 | dandc | and how would one go about getting the package updated? |
| 17:54.13 | stew | dandc: what do you mean by "getting the package updated"? you mean getting a new version for your system? |
| 17:54.59 | dandc | no, the package on debian.org etch/updates |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | badcfe: but your usb devices seem to work? |
| 17:55.48 | stew | dandc: in general. debian doesn't update stable with new versions after it is released (that's the 'stable' part). you can request that it be added to backports.org (which is an unoffical resource) by writing to their mailing list |
| 17:56.06 | dandc | aha, no wonder all my updates come from security |
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| 17:57.51 | dandc | stew: thing is, there's a security vulnerability fixed in versions of lftp after the current package |
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| 17:59.36 | badcfe | abrotman: yes. the other ones. |
| 17:59.52 | badcfe | abrotman: i think its the hp printer thats crazy |
| 18:00.09 | badcfe | [ 112.397367] hub 2-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2 |
| 18:00.11 | vrv | Hello :) is it possible to recompile kernel fast? |
| 18:00.28 | badcfe | vrv: with a very fast machine |
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| 18:01.49 | tralala | or distributed compilation |
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| 18:02.08 | dec3pti0n | is "find" able to find any file that has ctime older than 5min ? |
| 18:02.14 | vrv | badcfe: thank you :) but maybe some cashing technology like ccash available |
| 18:02.24 | tralala | dec3pti0n, yes |
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| 18:02.33 | vrv | it's really strange that all drivers recompiled during compilation |
| 18:02.46 | Fenix|work | dec3pti0n, you'd use -cmin |
| 18:02.53 | dec3pti0n | yeah just saw that :( |
| 18:02.54 | abrotman | badcfe: so unplug it and see if it goes away |
| 18:02.54 | Fenix|work | -cmin 5 |
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| 18:06.35 | cwheeler | is there a problem with alsa sound and lenny kernel? |
| 18:06.58 | tralala | no |
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| 18:08.08 | cwheeler | if i remove the running kernel with dpkg and install a new one will it mess up? |
| 18:08.31 | abrotman | why not install the new one before you remove the running one? |
| 18:08.41 | cwheeler | short of space in / |
| 18:08.58 | cwheeler | only room for 2 kernels |
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| 18:09.06 | cahoot | just update alsa? |
| 18:10.15 | tralala | cwheeler, so assuming you have two kernels you can always boot the second one in case something goes wrong with removing the working kernel |
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| 18:11.59 | cwheeler | there are no alsa modules in linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 18:12.01 | cwheeler | right |
| 18:12.10 | cwheeler | will keep a working kernel |
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| 18:12.33 | tralala | cwheeler, there aren't? |
| 18:12.54 | cahoot | cwheeler: you sure you really need a later alsa than the one 2.6.26 offers? |
| 18:13.24 | stew | cwheeler: there are alsa modules in linux-image-2.6.26-1-686; you can list them with "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep snd" |
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| 18:13.58 | cwheeler | they didn't get compiled in |
| 18:13.59 | linux2624plus | can anyone recommend a mini-distro (based on debian, if possible) that features kernel 2.6.24 or higher and can fit onto a 256MB USB stick? |
| 18:14.24 | stew | cwheeler: yes they did |
| 18:14.24 | cwheeler | ok let me look |
| 18:14.24 | cwheeler | oss is loading |
| 18:14.25 | stew | cwheeler: how do you know that oss is loading? |
| 18:14.25 | tralala | linux2624plus, dsl |
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| 18:15.28 | abchirk_ | Which is a good VPN-Server where I can connect Linux and Windows clients? |
| 18:15.29 | cwheeler | only 1 program can connect to sound card and modprobe shows oss modules |
| 18:15.33 | linux2624plus | dsl is a 2.4x distro |
| 18:15.38 | stew | cwheeler: which oss modules? |
| 18:15.51 | stew | cwheeler: and which sound card do you have? |
| 18:16.13 | cwheeler | snd 45432 11 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
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| 18:16.23 | stew | cwheeler: those are all alsa modules |
| 18:16.34 | Chowder | anyone here ever use the Debootstrap command? |
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| 18:16.37 | tralala | cwheeler, snd_hda_intel is an alsa module, the oss stuff is oss emulation |
| 18:16.44 | stew | Chowder: lots of people |
| 18:16.53 | cwheeler | ADI AD2000B sound card |
| 18:17.09 | cwheeler | problem is only 1 program can use sound card at a time |
| 18:17.30 | Chowder | stew: well, I was wondering if debootstrap can be used to install /boot /home /usr /var and /temp to different partitions |
| 18:18.12 | tralala | cwheeler, use a sound server |
| 18:18.24 | cwheeler | esd? |
| 18:18.38 | cahoot | use alsaaware soundapps |
| 18:18.39 | stew | Chowder: it doens't pay attention to what is on what partition, so if you have them mounted that way, it will install them that way. all debootstrap really does is put files into a directory of your choosing. debootstrap wouldn't touch /boot or /home or /temp |
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| 18:18.42 | tralala | or arts, or jack, or whatever |
| 18:18.44 | cwheeler | I thought I didn't need sound server with modern hw? |
| 18:18.48 | cwheeler | ok thanks |
| 18:18.56 | stew | !dmix |
| 18:18.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 18:19.16 | tralala | isn't dmix supposed to be enabled by default? |
| 18:19.22 | cahoot | it is |
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| 18:19.27 | Chowder | stew: but lets say my HD is blank |
| 18:19.51 | stew | Chowder: ok |
| 18:19.53 | Chowder | I would debootstrap to /dev/sda1 |
| 18:20.04 | Chowder | a clean ext2 partition |
| 18:20.08 | cwheeler | it must not be enabled by default on my system |
| 18:20.19 | cwheeler | is it called dmix? |
| 18:20.20 | stew | Chowder: ok |
| 18:20.26 | Chowder | from there how would I mount directories to other partitions? |
| 18:20.31 | cahoot | cwheeler: it is - test with two instances of mplayer and see |
| 18:20.34 | stew | Chowder: where is /dev/sda1 mounted? |
| 18:20.36 | cahoot | (hear) |
| 18:20.46 | Chowder | it's / |
| 18:21.01 | stew | Chowder: then how are you going to run debootstrap? |
| 18:21.23 | cwheeler | can i find it with ps, called dmix? |
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| 18:21.41 | Chowder | stew: what I meant was that by the time debootstrap finishes, it'll be / |
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| 18:21.53 | stew | Chowder: i'm not saying where are you going to mount /dev/sda1 AFTER you are done installing, but where is it going to be mounted when you run debootstrap |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | Chowder: if you only give it one partition .. what else is it supposed to do? |
| 18:22.06 | stew | you don't give it any partitions |
| 18:22.17 | tralala | cwheeler, follow the links dpkg gave you |
| 18:22.17 | Chowder | i'm not sure I understand |
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| 18:22.44 | stew | Chowder: you don't give debootstrap a partition, you give it a directory, so first mount /dev/sda1 somewhere |
| 18:22.50 | Chowder | stew: /dev/sda1 can be mounted anywhere I guess |
| 18:22.59 | stew | Chowder: ok, where are you going to mount it? |
| 18:23.00 | cwheeler | tralala I don't understand |
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| 18:23.16 | tralala | !+tell cwheeler -about dmix |
| 18:23.16 | dpkg | told cwheeler about dmix. |
| 18:23.27 | Chowder | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.33 | cwheeler | oh the bot thanks i was confused again |
| 18:23.39 | stew | Chowder: ok, and what partition do you want to have be /usr ? |
| 18:23.46 | Chowder | /dev/sda2 |
| 18:24.04 | cahoot | cwheeler: try this: open two terminals, run speaker-test -t wav in each |
| 18:24.07 | stew | Chowder: so before running debootstrap, "mkdir /newbuild/usr ; mount /dev/sda2 /usr" |
| 18:24.19 | Chowder | aaah, I see |
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| 18:24.25 | omry | if a deb have no dependency, what do I put in Depends: in the control file? |
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| 18:24.39 | abrotman | omry: none? at all? |
| 18:24.53 | omry | abrotman, none at all. it's a binary package. |
| 18:25.08 | Chowder | stew: new question, what if I wanted to turn all that into an install CD, or a liveCD? |
| 18:25.09 | stew | Chowder: do the same with var ; after you have run debootstrap, then make sure to create a valid /newbuild/etc/fstab ; there are a bunch of other things you need to do by hand, like create /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts maybe /etc/resolv.conf, maybe install a kernel, maybe install a bootloader... |
| 18:25.13 | abrotman | omry: it doesn't require any external libraries? |
| 18:25.26 | omry | abrotman, nope. |
| 18:25.36 | stew | Chowder: why? debian already has good install CDs and live CDs |
| 18:25.49 | Chowder | stew: just to see my custom build in action |
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| 18:26.02 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 18:26.11 | omry | !info bootcd etch |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | omry: that wasn't for you |
| 18:26.29 | deus___ | dances around the channel |
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| 18:26.32 | stew | Chowder: i'm not sure i understand what this cd you want to create would do |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | omry: i'd guess you can leave it blank .. maybe ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:26.40 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | wonders if Ubuntu has bootcd ... |
| 18:26.58 | Chowder | stew: it would allow ppl to test drive my custom build or install from scratch |
| 18:27.04 | tralala | abrotman, ask #ubuntu ;p |
| 18:27.12 | omry | aboman, tried to leave it blank. the deb built, but when I tried to update a client apt-get it bitched |
| 18:27.14 | abrotman | tralala: i asked for a certain reason |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | omry: you could make it depend on something very basic like libc6 or libgcc1 |
| 18:27.59 | omry | aboman, yeah. it's ugly. but I`ll do it. |
| 18:28.02 | omry | thanks. |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | omry: try hitting tab |
| 18:28.10 | unixSnob | is the latex geometry class included in any debian packages? apt-get search comes up empty |
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| 18:28.18 | Chowder | stew: I think I'm gonna give it a shot |
| 18:28.21 | Chowder | thx |
| 18:28.22 | Chowder | is away: Away from keyboard |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | !tell Chowder about away |
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| 18:28.43 | omry | abrotman, I did :). didn't noticed that there is another ab* |
| 18:28.43 | EmleyMoor | Is there a means to install an ia32 binary on an amd64 system to see if it will run? |
| 18:28.47 | omry | anyway, thanks. |
| 18:28.56 | Chowder | my mistake |
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| 18:29.01 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: using a chroot is the easy way |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | omry: it's not like "abr<tab>" is that hard :) |
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| 18:29.16 | omry | abrotman, it's harder than ab<tab>~ |
| 18:29.19 | Nukka-G | !iwl3945 |
| 18:29.19 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:29.28 | abrotman | !tell Nukka-G about msg the bot |
| 18:29.30 | omry | by 33%! :) |
| 18:29.30 | EmleyMoor | Easy but complicating perhaps |
| 18:29.32 | Akuw | how can i connect to a remote computer with ssh ? |
| 18:29.32 | stew | Chowder: have a look at bootcd, have a look at simple-cdd |
| 18:29.36 | Nukka-G | abrotman: oh sorry about that |
| 18:29.42 | Akuw | ssh user@soemthing.com ? |
| 18:29.43 | Chowder | stew: k |
| 18:29.48 | dondelelcaro | omry: unless your client is really lame, a<tab> should do it; possibly even tab if abrotman was the last person you talked to |
| 18:29.49 | tralala | EmleyMoor, there's a small set of 32bit libs on amd64 so some apps would run with them. You can give it a try. |
| 18:29.56 | stew | Akuw: yes |
| 18:30.01 | abrotman | Akuw: man ssh .. there are numerous ways |
| 18:30.05 | omry | dondelelcaro, I guess xchat is really lame. |
| 18:30.09 | EmleyMoor | tralala: So, how would I try? |
| 18:30.15 | Akuw | i don't get response from server |
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| 18:30.47 | tralala | EmleyMoor, you will find and install the 32bit libs, then force install the app |
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| 18:31.09 | tralala | EmleyMoor, which app are we talking about anyway? |
| 18:31.14 | foormea | hi |
| 18:31.22 | foormea | is it possible to connect to a ftp over tls using ncftp? i read some people talk about a tls wrapper to launch first but i cannot find much info on that... |
| 18:31.28 | EmleyMoor | realplayer |
| 18:31.42 | tralala | is it a .deb? |
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| 18:32.10 | stew | dandc: do you know the CVE id of the lftp bug you are referring to? |
| 18:32.28 | dandc | sorry about vanishing, I had to run off to class. |
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| 18:32.38 | stew | dandc: if it does affect stable, it is possible it would be fixed in stable (not by a new version of lftp, but by porting a fix to the old version) |
| 18:33.06 | dandc | I'll look up the problem; I just saw it in the lftp changelog |
| 18:33.49 | EmleyMoor | A .deb exists for ia32 |
| 18:34.07 | tralala | EmleyMoor, what does it depend on? |
| 18:34.15 | cwheeler | should dmix be configured automatically? |
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| 18:34.25 | tralala | cwheeler, yes |
| 18:34.28 | maligor | cwheeler, new versions of alsa do that |
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| 18:34.35 | cwheeler | mine didn't get configured |
| 18:34.41 | maligor | etch? |
| 18:34.47 | cwheeler | lenny |
| 18:34.48 | tralala | cwheeler, did you run the speaker-test command? |
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| 18:34.57 | cwheeler | etch kernel is too old for my hw |
| 18:35.04 | cwheeler | no i'll run it tralala |
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| 18:36.20 | EmleyMoor | tralala: I will find out |
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| 18:37.05 | dandc | well stew, looks like there's not a CVE for it. I'll request from backports. |
| 18:38.18 | EmleyMoor | libatk1.0-0, libc6, libgcc1, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libpango1.0-0, libstdc++5, libx11-6, libxext6 |
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| 18:41.57 | tralala | EmleyMoor, see if the 32bit libs package provides all of these |
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| 18:49.36 | EmleyMoor | Installing ia32-libs-gtk would result in all the relevant libs being installed |
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| 18:51.01 | EmleyMoor | So, having installed that, what exactly do I need to do to install the package? |
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| 18:52.19 | EmleyMoor | (it's been on my system all along) |
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| 18:53.40 | trilobiti | Is /etc/X11/xorg.conf how X is being set-up? I just came to know ubuntu has made it irrelevant. Does that relate to debian ? |
| 18:53.57 | EmleyMoor | Is it merely grab the deb and install it with dpkg? Do I need to do something to persuade it to install a "wrong architecture" package? |
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| 18:54.40 | dondelelcaro | trilobiti: it's still how it's set up, but in most configurations, you shouldn't need to modify it. |
| 18:54.48 | tralala | EmleyMoor, grab the .deb and tell dpkg to force it |
| 18:54.58 | EmleyMoor | Right - will try |
| 18:55.10 | dondelelcaro | ugh. DO NOT FORCE PACKAGES TO INSTALL. |
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| 18:55.32 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: if you want to run a package which is built for the wrong architecture, generate a i386 chroot, and run it there. |
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| 18:55.57 | EmleyMoor | chroots aren't complicated, but they are complicating |
| 18:56.07 | dondelelcaro | (pretty much the only things that shouldn't be built for both i386 and amd64 are non-free crap) |
| 18:56.21 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: not really; they're pretty trivial. You can even install schroot to make them even simpler. |
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| 18:56.44 | trilobiti | dondelelcaro: I rarely have to modify it as autodetection has worked for me. If anything goes wrong though, is there any tool to modify it and fix the problem? |
| 18:56.48 | EmleyMoor | Yes, but what's in there is kind of on anotheer side of a fence |
| 18:56.54 | dondelelcaro | trilobiti: an editor |
| 18:57.11 | tralala | dondelelcaro, we're discussing non-free crap |
| 18:57.18 | trilobiti | dondelelcaro: but that'd be modifying it directly, that's what I meant |
| 18:57.31 | dondelelcaro | trilobiti: yes, modifying it directly is how you fix it. |
| 18:57.44 | EmleyMoor | I will look into it but if I find it complicating (as all the docs say I will), I may be wanting to find a less complicating way |
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| 18:58.14 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: it's really trivial; you select a location where you want to have your chroots, run deboostrap to create it, chroot into it, install the package, then configure schroot. |
| 18:58.25 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: it's all of four commands. |
| 18:58.29 | EmleyMoor | Yes, it is not complicat*ed* |
| 18:58.53 | EmleyMoor | Easy to do but brings in other considerations in use |
| 18:59.14 | dondelelcaro | like what? |
| 18:59.14 | HNSZ | Can someone please tell me a good way to create a linux boot-usbdisk? |
| 18:59.19 | EmleyMoor | However, I hae found a howto which seems promising |
| 18:59.34 | HNSZ | Have tried some from pendrivelinux.com but unsuccesful so far |
| 18:59.41 | dondelelcaro | there aren't very many complications, and chroot deals with them all itself |
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| 18:59.44 | EmleyMoor | Running a 64-bit iceweasel and having 32-bit plugins doesn't seem simple |
| 18:59.46 | dondelelcaro | HNSZ: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 18:59.51 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: you can't |
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| 19:00.03 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: you need to run a 32 bit iceweasel with 32 bit plugins |
| 19:00.03 | HNSZ | I want to install with it. |
| 19:00.19 | dondelelcaro | HNSZ: then read the install guide and follow the instructions on how to install using usb media. |
| 19:00.52 | flowr | Hi. Why wouldnt synaptic be able to connect to the "mirrors"? |
| 19:01.01 | flowr | not the official ones.. |
| 19:01.04 | flowr | or well.. |
| 19:01.08 | flowr | kind of |
| 19:01.10 | flowr | eh.. you know.. |
| 19:01.12 | EmleyMoor | So it's not "dealt with", it's "worked around" - prssing on with the chroot anyway |
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| 19:01.45 | andriijas | how do i configure my lcd tv to be the main display for my laptop? |
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| 19:02.33 | EmleyMoor | Do I need to make the directory before debootstrapping? |
| 19:02.37 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: yes. |
| 19:02.46 | abrotman | andriijas: did you set your bios to output to both devices? |
| 19:02.47 | EmleyMoor | Thought so |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | andriijas: and if you have .. look at xrandr to change devices |
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| 19:05.05 | nohelphere | i am trying to install debian for use in UML and i foudn thsi script: http://eggdrop.ch/texts/uml/create_uml |
| 19:05.13 | nohelphere | but its designed for woody :/ |
| 19:05.15 | HNSZ | dondelcaro: Well I've tried actually, but after catting the image to the /dev/sdc (usb) I'm stuck with a full usb drive that can't be resized. (34mb) |
| 19:05.22 | EmleyMoor | Of course, one day there will be either free or amd64-built stuff that will do what I want |
| 19:05.48 | HNSZ | dondelcaro: 32MB I mean |
| 19:05.53 | omry | abrotman, if there are no dependencies, there should be no Dependency: line. |
| 19:05.58 | dondelelcaro | HNSZ: uh... what size usb device are you actually using? |
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| 19:06.17 | nohelphere | how ol;d is woody? |
| 19:06.20 | nohelphere | old* |
| 19:06.25 | dondelelcaro | !release history |
| 19:06.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 19:06.33 | dondelelcaro | nohelphere: see above. |
| 19:06.36 | nohelphere | ok |
| 19:06.45 | nohelphere | hm |
| 19:06.50 | abrotman | omry: did not know that .. but kind of makes sense i suppose |
| 19:06.56 | nohelphere | i could use woody and upgrade to ech right? |
| 19:07.00 | nohelphere | etch* |
| 19:07.05 | omry | abrotman, yeah, |
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| 19:07.10 | themill | no, woody->sarge ; sarge->etch |
| 19:07.48 | nohelphere | oj |
| 19:07.48 | nohelphere | ok |
| 19:07.55 | flowr | Errorhttp://debian.lth.se stable Release.gpg |
| 19:07.57 | flowr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.59 | nohelphere | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/base-images-current/basedebs.tar |
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| 19:08.04 | HNSZ | dondelelcaro: 128MB I wanted to do businesscard install |
| 19:08.09 | nohelphere | i need to find basedebs.tar |
| 19:08.10 | flowr | do I just have to get some new mirrors? |
| 19:08.27 | nohelphere | but that directory doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:08.31 | dondelelcaro | HNSZ: you really need 256M, but anyway, you want to fllow the instructions in Section 4.4.2, รขยยCopying the files รขยย the flexible wayรขยย). |
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| 19:08.51 | dondelelcaro | (well, you don't *need* 256M; it's just easier with 256M) |
| 19:08.56 | nohelphere | where might i find basedebs.tar for woody? |
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| 19:09.05 | dondelelcaro | nohelphere: we don't use that anymore. |
| 19:09.19 | dondelelcaro | nohelphere: is there any reason why you can't just install etch directly? |
| 19:09.20 | nohelphere | then what replaces it? |
| 19:09.28 | nohelphere | dondelelcaro, its for UML |
| 19:09.30 | dondelelcaro | nohelphere: debootstrap and cdebootstrap. |
| 19:09.36 | dondelelcaro | nohelphere: so use debootstrap or cdebootstrap |
| 19:09.36 | HNSZ | dondelelcaro: I did get a new 4gb now, But still it's funny how it went. |
| 19:09.36 | nohelphere | dondelelcaro, k |
| 19:09.58 | HNSZ | dondelelcaro: I'll try that last way yes |
| 19:10.00 | dondelelcaro | HNSZ: you tried to write a 256M image to a 128M device; the results of that operation are entirely undefined. |
| 19:10.23 | nohelphere | well |
| 19:10.27 | nohelphere | i found an etch one \o/ |
| 19:10.39 | dondelelcaro | uh... I wouldn't use anything that you just "found" |
| 19:10.59 | nohelphere | http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/Debian-4.0/ |
| 19:11.03 | nohelphere | mentioned on the UML wiki |
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| 19:12.21 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's really not a hot way of doing it; you should just use the netinst installer or similar to actually run the install inside of uml. |
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| 19:12.46 | dondelelcaro | (or run debootstrap direclty) |
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| 19:14.31 | andriijas | do i need any specific package with drivers for a intel x3100 graphics with gm965 chipset |
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| 19:23.33 | flowr | Hi. Why would aptitude be connection refused when it tries to connect to the "mirrors"? |
| 19:23.38 | flowr | for an update |
| 19:24.03 | abrotman | proxy? |
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| 19:24.52 | flowr | havent |
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| 19:25.54 | abrotman | your ISP might |
| 19:26.35 | EmleyMoor | It says in this howto, edit your fstab - presumably that's the main one? |
| 19:26.44 | flowr | hm. what's the solution? change mirrors? not all mirrors refues.. just that university im using as a mirror |
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| 19:28.10 | abrotman | flowr: that's a bit different .. perhaps it's offline for some reason |
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| 19:28.38 | flowr | hm k |
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| 19:29.47 | abrotman | flowr: which mirror is it? |
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| 19:30.56 | flowr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.57 | Sweetandy | I just want to thank the Debian project for opening up the entire progress to the public, and providing detailed descriptions of every aspect of the operating system. It is much appreciated! |
| 19:31.10 | flowr | http://security.debian.org works |
| 19:31.13 | abrotman | flowr: not working here either |
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| 19:31.23 | flowr | shuld I change or wait? |
| 19:31.30 | Sweetandy | s/progress/process/ |
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| 19:33.06 | EmleyMoor | . |
| 19:33.08 | unixSnob | does anyone have /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty ? |
| 19:33.22 | unixSnob | It's supposed to be there, but not in my case |
| 19:33.22 | EmleyMoor | installs schroot in the hope it will make things simpler |
| 19:33.37 | unixSnob | I installed LaTeX by ticking the box for it in Synaptic |
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| 19:34.04 | unixSnob | Instead, there is some geom.sty file, which doesn't work |
| 19:34.11 | Locutus266 | Hello! I just have a short question. How do I run the Xorg setup once again using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:34.37 | superjoe30 | Locutus266, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:35.05 | Locutus266 | That's it. Thanks superjoe |
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| 19:35.46 | yao_ziyuan | it seems alias only works in one console session |
| 19:36.03 | yao_ziyuan | i want a persistent alias |
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| 19:36.19 | abrotman | superjoe30: not everyone has sudo setup |
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| 19:37.12 | superjoe30 | abrotman, it gets the point across, no? |
| 19:37.12 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: you have to add the aliases commands at .bash_profile |
| 19:37.27 | abrotman | superjoe30: not if you're a new person to linux and you don't have sudo installed .. |
| 19:37.36 | abrotman | superjoe30: not everyone that has debian has sudo |
| 19:37.40 | superjoe30 | ok |
| 19:38.04 | V4Nelle | ante ciaoz...krasaki rulez |
| 19:38.10 | Selveste1_ | *good night :)* |
| 19:38.43 | trilobiti | abrotman: Is sudo suggested for increased security ? |
| 19:38.50 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: i'd stick with command line history |
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| 19:39.17 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: your choice that one |
| 19:40.09 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: but history won't provide persistent intersession aliases, as far as i know |
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| 19:40.21 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: can't i just create a batch file (.sh) or symbolic link for my purpose? |
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| 19:40.40 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: that would still have to execute each time you log on |
| 19:40.55 | yao_ziyuan | why? |
| 19:41.01 | yao_ziyuan | if i just create a .sh file |
| 19:41.10 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: ot you mean you can execute by hand each time? |
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| 19:41.16 | yao_ziyuan | yes |
| 19:41.18 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: you could do that |
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| 19:41.23 | EmleyMoor | At least there isn't that long to go before Sun say they will have a java plugin for amd64 |
| 19:41.24 | trilobiti | or* |
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| 19:42.05 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: so what is the most convenient way to create a batch file that is run by hand? |
| 19:42.13 | yao_ziyuan | a .sh file or a symbolic link? |
| 19:42.24 | yao_ziyuan | or a hard link |
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| 19:42.40 | rebel_kid | i am pretty new to terminal only computing, how can i get out of su? |
| 19:42.48 | yao_ziyuan | i know how to create .desktop file, but it seems i must type the full filename xxxxxx.desktop to execute it |
| 19:42.49 | EmleyMoor | rebel_kid: Ctrl-D |
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| 19:43.10 | {`} | exit? |
| 19:43.15 | rebel_kid | emleymoor, lol sorry for being a newb, i tried that had to hit it twice |
| 19:43.18 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: you would use X or command line for launching ? |
| 19:43.33 | EmleyMoor | rebel_kid: Did you perhaps su twice? |
| 19:43.57 | pablo | hi, how can i list all the packages that i have installed that need a packages? like apt-cache rdepends package, but to list the ones installed |
| 19:44.22 | rebel_kid | emleymoor, dont think so, but maybe can i open multiple terminals? if so how |
| 19:44.26 | unixSnob | Anyone notice that Synaptic screws up installs, while aptitude doesn't? I alway thought Synaptic was a front end |
| 19:45.06 | EmleyMoor | unixSnob: What does Synaptic do wrong? |
| 19:45.46 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: How I think of it, you can make a /home/username/bin directory where you can put the script and then add /home/username/bin to your user's path. |
| 19:46.01 | unixSnob | EmleyMoor: it misses files. Eg. for the latex install, it leaves out /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty |
| 19:46.16 | unixSnob | EmleyMoor: if latex is installed using aptitude, that file is there |
| 19:46.25 | EmleyMoor | unixSnob: Is that in a package it misses for some reason?? |
| 19:46.26 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: i live in ubuntu 8.10 + kde 4.1.1. i would use a Konsole. |
| 19:46.40 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: i would use command line |
| 19:46.46 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: so .desktop isnt' an option? |
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| 19:48.22 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: command aliases are useful in command line. So each time you logon or open a terminal you have your personal directory in the path and your script will be available everytime. It works on any linux distro. |
| 19:48.33 | unixSnob | EmleyMoor: i can't really get to the bottom of the problem, because i'm on a slow measured rate internet connection (so I can't retrieve the database of files) |
| 19:49.02 | unixSnob | EmleyMoor: I installed latex by ticking the boxes for latex, and that standard library was left out |
| 19:49.14 | EmleyMoor | It can only miss whole packages - if something else is happening, I am sure someone needs to be told |
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| 19:49.21 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: I'm not sure whether best to put the aliases in .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 19:49.41 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: the path entry I meant, sorry |
| 19:50.10 | pablo | hi, how can i list all the packages that i have installed that need a packages? like apt-cache rdepends package, but to list the ones installed |
| 19:50.10 | trilobiti | yao_ziyuan: I think there's a difference among them when one login-s and when one opens a terminal |
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| 19:50.45 | jmalicki | trilobiti: .bash_profile is only on login , and they won't get inherited by a new terminal |
| 19:50.54 | jmalicki | (unless your bashrc happens to run .bash_profile, which is odd...) |
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| 19:52.15 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: i'm more familiar with .sh files. |
| 19:52.27 | {`} | i remember the first time i noticed the difference between deleting files via the gui/trash thing and deleting files using the rm command in the terminal window. |
| 19:52.29 | yao_ziyuan | trilobiti: i just learned about symbolic links. they're only for files and folders. |
| 19:52.31 | trilobiti | jmalicki: that's the difference I didn't know, yes |
| 19:52.35 | {`} | ever since then, i've never looked back |
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| 19:53.03 | jmalicki | yao_ziyuan: they're for anything that has an inode |
| 19:53.15 | jmalicki | yao_ziyuan: so device files, fifos, sockets, directories too |
| 19:53.21 | inigo | i'm trying to learn cgi (perl over lighttpd) and i'm a bit loose about the debian config for cgi |
| 19:53.35 | inigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.44 | inigo | or there is another way ? |
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| 19:53.53 | inigo | i want that when someone puts www.example.com he gets the output of www.example.com/cgi-bin/index.pl |
| 19:53.59 | Akuw | how can i decrypt a md5 ? |
| 19:53.59 | inigo | but without the /cgi-bin/ in the browser address bar |
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| 19:54.45 | yao_ziyuan | jmalicki: i also learned hard links |
| 19:54.54 | unixSnob | EmleyMoor: do you know of a way to associate a file with a package, using the web? |
| 19:54.59 | yao_ziyuan | jmalicki: now i'd learn more about .desktop |
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| 19:55.07 | elux | hey guys |
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| 19:55.21 | elux | how can i change a users home directory in /etc/passwd without manually editing the file? |
| 19:55.36 | unixSnob | whatever package /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty traces back to is what Synaptic should be including |
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| 19:55.54 | unixSnob | whatever package /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty traces back to is what Synaptic should be including |
| 19:55.59 | unixSnob | whatever package /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty traces back to is what Synaptic should be including |
| 19:56.07 | trilobiti | unixSnob: don't flood please |
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| 19:57.08 | elenril | unixSnob, texlive-latex-base |
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| 19:57.30 | elenril | use apt-file |
| 19:57.40 | unixSnob | trilobiti: that was an accident.. I thought my message didn't go through |
| 19:58.24 | EmleyMoor | This machine seems to be performing well |
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| 19:58.39 | yao_ziyuan | finally, |
| 19:58.46 | yao_ziyuan | .desktop can't be executed from console |
| 19:58.47 | unixSnob | elenril: ah, that might be my issue then. I don't have texlive-base. Strange. I have texlive-common though. |
| 19:58.49 | trilobiti | unixSnob: I thought you had just joined and flooded with a question. sorry |
| 19:58.56 | fairway | when is intel core i7 starting to sell? |
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| 19:58.59 | Akuw | how can i decrypt a md5 ? |
| 19:59.10 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: you can't; that's the point of it. |
| 19:59.12 | EmleyMoor | Got a big update job, and FreeBSD buildworlding in a qemu, and it's going like Nigel Mansell |
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| 19:59.53 | Akuw | the problem is i have a md5 in my data base and i want to get the text |
| 20:00.01 | ezguy | what is the best program for converting dvd to ipod video? |
| 20:00.03 | Akuw | i can't remember the password |
| 20:00.24 | avtobiff | Akuw, you can't |
| 20:00.31 | avtobiff | Akuw, md5 is one-way only |
| 20:00.41 | pipeline | Akuw: if you know the length of the text and its approximate composition, you can use a rainbow table. |
| 20:00.57 | Akuw | ok |
| 20:01.00 | pipeline | Akuw: that's how md5 passwords are broken. Needless to say, it is not an easy way to get things done. |
| 20:01.17 | pipeline | Akuw: it's frankly very difficult. A rainbow table for even a constrained set of characters and a short password is many gigabytes. |
| 20:01.29 | pipeline | Akuw: faster than computing it, but not fast :P |
| 20:01.39 | Akuw | and that page ? |
| 20:01.41 | Akuw | http://md5.rednoize.com/ |
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| 20:03.21 | dutchfish | hi, how can i switch in kde debian lenny between 2 soundcards? 1 is my intel and another is a logitech headset. I want to know this for an aplication called teamspeak-client. |
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| 20:04.40 | dutchfish | apropos, cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat correctly list the devices and the related mixers |
| 20:05.14 | fairway | I had problems installing debian on a flash card |
| 20:05.20 | fairway | GRUB tried to fail install |
| 20:06.16 | Akuw | MD5 was designed by Ron Rivest in 1991 to replace an earlier hash function, MD4. In 1996, a flaw was found with the design of MD5. While it was not a clearly fatal weakness, cryptographers began recommending the use of other algorithms, such as SHA-1 |
| 20:06.19 | dutchfish | fairway, i had same problem, workaround for me was: use sata to cif converter card |
| 20:06.40 | fairway | dutchfish: k thannks |
| 20:07.04 | fairway | dutchfish: is it additional hardware? |
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| 20:07.35 | dutchfish | fairway, they come fairly cheap nowadays, like this: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/adsacf.asp |
| 20:08.13 | dutchfish | fairway, as a bonus i can setup more then 1 card in a jiffy |
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| 20:08.52 | fairway | dutchfish: thanks, I will try it out |
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| 20:09.04 | abrotman | dutchfish: you're alive! |
| 20:09.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, barely, but yes |
| 20:09.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, had a hardattack and was hospitalized for a long time |
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| 20:10.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, good to see you :) |
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| 20:12.23 | streuner | dutchfish, how old are you? |
| 20:12.32 | dutchfish | streuner, 52 |
| 20:12.39 | streuner | omg |
| 20:12.53 | dutchfish | streuner, why? |
| 20:13.02 | streuner | dutchfish: well, do everything whats find for you in future |
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| 20:13.10 | streuner | s/find/fine/ |
| 20:13.15 | dutchfish | streuner, no worry |
| 20:13.25 | abrotman | dutchfish: oh .. i'm sorry |
| 20:13.27 | streuner | best thing is fun |
| 20:13.35 | elux | what do set -e and set +e do in some init.d scripts im looking at? |
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| 20:13.46 | dondelelcaro | elux: help set; |
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| 20:14.30 | dutchfish | streuner, i try ;) |
| 20:15.07 | streuner | dutchfish: its hard to change life, but you have no choice... |
| 20:15.57 | dutchfish | streuner, ok, thx for concern |
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| 20:16.35 | elux | thanks |
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| 20:16.52 | elux | also, what ~/.profile file does the /bin/sh execute by default? |
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| 20:17.33 | dutchfish | ok, if anyone could help me to get teamspeak running, instead of its default /dev/snd wich appears to be my speakers and card input. I would like to get it running on my headset |
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| 20:19.08 | abrotman | dutchfish: did you ask #alsa ? did you try `aoss teamspeak` ? |
| 20:19.23 | dutchfish | somhow, i think udev is playing tricks on me with that |
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| 20:19.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, search all fora high and low |
| 20:19.34 | streuner | come on, you know #alsa is pretty dead... |
| 20:19.46 | abrotman | streuner: i've never been there but once |
| 20:19.55 | abrotman | is it worse than #samba? :) |
| 20:20.08 | dutchfish | abrotman, hold on i put my output in pastebin |
| 20:20.08 | streuner | hm, #samba is more alive :-) |
| 20:20.27 | streuner | but thats some years ago... |
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| 20:22.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, http://debian.pastebin.com/m6bc4c309 |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: did you try the 'aoss' thing ? |
| 20:23.10 | abrotman | oh wait .. i might have that backwards |
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| 20:24.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, i have /dev/snd but that goes to my speaker, no other snd devices |
| 20:24.32 | Akuw | any tool to get the md5 of a string ? |
| 20:24.42 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: echo 'foo'|md5sum -; |
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| 20:26.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: and the kde sound thingie doesn't ahve a way to choose an output device? |
| 20:26.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, what do you mean by kde thingy? |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | the sound/volume applet .. or you've already verfied that you can use it? |
| 20:27.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, i oculd be a bit rusty atm ;) |
| 20:27.26 | streuner | arts |
| 20:27.29 | Akuw | why the result of a webpage to create md5 is diferent using md5sum ? |
| 20:27.47 | abrotman | Akuw: hidden characters? |
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| 20:27.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, within othe rapps i can choose like vlc the headpphone, works like a charm, but not with teamspeak |
| 20:27.57 | Akuw | no |
| 20:28.08 | Akuw | i am using umauma |
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| 20:28.34 | Siya | re |
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| 20:28.55 | Siya | anyone who can point me to some decent info on alsa issues? |
| 20:29.10 | Siya | asking here as I can't run latest lenny kernel |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | dutchfish: but teamspeak is closed source? |
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| 20:29.28 | Siya | and that's the only kbuild package I can find |
| 20:29.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, in kmix i can select the device, but that doe snot switch it to headphone |
| 20:29.40 | stew | Siya: why can't you run the latest lenny kernel? what alsa issues are you having? |
| 20:29.51 | Siya | stew: kernel packing on boot |
| 20:29.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, i only need a way to select the default device |
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| 20:30.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: sounds like the teamspeak is only going to use OSS stuff |
| 20:30.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes |
| 20:30.26 | stew | Siya: what does that mean? |
| 20:30.29 | Siya | not sure what but i find a lot of references to raid and 2.6.26 + kernel panics |
| 20:30.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, wich alsa does emulate, but only per default on the main card |
| 20:30.51 | stew | Siya: what is the error message you are getting? |
| 20:30.55 | Siya | panic not packing (lol) |
| 20:31.25 | Siya | erm I'd have to crash my box and manually write down an A4 load of dumped stuff |
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| 20:31.33 | Siya | hard reset is the only way out |
| 20:31.56 | Siya | stew: if I knew what was important then I could provide the info |
| 20:32.01 | dutchfish | abrotman, where does udev decide wich hardware is connected and will be the default sound device? |
| 20:32.56 | stew | Siya: is it "can't mount root"? |
| 20:33.01 | abrotman | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards |
| 20:33.02 | Akuw | why the result of a webpage to create md5 is diferent using md5sum ? |
| 20:33.11 | Siya | now running 2.6.25-2 and 2.6.22-3 but alsa only gives me single channel output (1.0.16) |
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| 20:33.34 | Siya | stew: no there's no comprehensible message like that |
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| 20:34.00 | Siya | I have 3 SATA disks in mdadm (soft-raid) and boot of CF-disk on PATA |
| 20:34.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you, gona try that out :) |
| 20:34.51 | abrotman | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Default_device_from_environment_variable |
| 20:35.07 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm really not sure any of this will help you .. but it may lead you somewhere good! |
| 20:35.13 | abrotman | that was so sad ... |
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| 20:35.57 | dihymo | so is there a virtualization solution which allows mixed OSes while having on the fly resource allocation as needed? like a combo of vserver and Xen |
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| 20:36.21 | dutchfish | dihymo, yes xen can do that |
| 20:36.23 | Sompa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.52 | abrotman | notify his Uni too ... |
| 20:37.05 | dutchfish | dihymo, in the latest version ballooning is supported |
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| 20:37.28 | dutchfish | dihymo, overcommitting is in development |
| 20:37.51 | dihymo | hmm cool |
| 20:37.54 | dihymo | ok then |
| 20:38.37 | dutchfish | dihymo, you might try download the sdk from xen directly with xen server 5 express to experiment with it |
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| 20:39.05 | dutchfish | dihymo, the open source xen is not ready for that yet, but will soon be |
| 20:39.20 | Pedro420 | Can anyone help me? The other day I didn't have sound. I ran alsa and fixed it but now I dont have any again. When my pc reboots it starts artsd and esd so my sounddriver it busy but my sound works with artsd how can I change it so my pc dont boot esd ? |
| 20:39.51 | dutchfish | dihymo, another road is kvm along with virtio if you feel really expirimentel mooded |
| 20:39.59 | Siya | no-one on either 2.6.26 kernel panic (raid related?) or alsa with single channel sound only |
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| 20:40.18 | dutchfish | dihymo, kvm is very promising for next release |
| 20:40.30 | stew | Siya: "kernel panic" is nowhere near enough info for us to be able to help you |
| 20:40.36 | Siya | ic |
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| 20:40.48 | dutchfish | dihymo, for production systems however i advise the xen road atm |
| 20:40.54 | stew | Siya: can you show us the output of "amixer" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:42.51 | Siya | reinstalls 2.6.26 |
| 20:42.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, got it up and running, it was a stupid udev rule after all, thanks again for all the hints! |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | dutchfish: uh .. i don't think i said anything about udev! :) |
| 20:43.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, but you first link did ;) thats close enough |
| 20:44.18 | cwheeler | I still don't understand how get dmix working |
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| 20:44.46 | cwheeler | what modules should be loaded? |
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| 20:50.06 | Siya | stew: last line: "not synching: Fatal exception in interrupt" |
| 20:50.38 | Siya | is there any way of getting the boot screen logging without having to resort to a camera? |
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| 20:50.59 | stew | Siya: has / been mounted yet? |
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| 20:51.17 | Siya | all I can see if the call trace part |
| 20:51.42 | stew | Siya: does it say which module is causing this? |
| 20:51.53 | slacker_nl | hello, what is the best option to use in my sources.list, etch or stable, they are both the same afaik? |
| 20:52.00 | Siya | stew: not sure things were scrolling pretty fast, seem raid disks were initialised as was the sound card (thump on the speakers) |
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| 20:52.29 | stew | slacker_nl: 'etch' is better. using 'stable' will unintended things to happen once lenny becomes stable |
| 20:52.34 | Siya | stew: possible via_velocity |
| 20:52.58 | Siya | "bad EIP value" |
| 20:53.01 | slacker_nl | stew: thnx :) |
| 20:54.22 | jmalicki | siya: serial consoles work great for that |
| 20:54.31 | jmalicki | siya: and/or kernel crash dumps if you have disk |
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| 20:55.16 | jmalicki | siya: another great way is to use modules, and NOT just put things into your kernel, so you can load modules one by one to factor things out |
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| 20:56.10 | Jonnie | http://www.inetcash.de:8080/inetcash/refer.do?referee=J0NNIE |
| 20:56.17 | Supercazzora | please I got problem with Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) on lenny |
| 20:56.18 | Siya | jmalicki: I'm running standard debian distro (up untill now I've not had any issues running like that, kudos to many ppl for that) |
| 20:56.31 | J0NNIE | http://www.inetcash.de:8080/inetcash/refer.do?referee=J0NNIE |
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| 20:56.37 | grendal_prime | when you ssh into a box. the fingerprint check that happens. is it checking against /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub ? |
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| 20:56.56 | cwheeler | do i have to run dmix? |
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| 20:57.32 | jmalicki | siya: you could try commenting out some modules in /etc/modules (if that's where they're getting loaded) and try by hand |
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| 20:57.41 | jmalicki | err try to load by hand |
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| 20:58.36 | chrivers | How can I maintain a pool-based repository of packages? I can't really find a good guide with google |
| 20:58.43 | varney | hi - i tried to get mysql running after install, it simply won't run (debian) - it just says 'failed!' and the error logs are empty! |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | !tell chrivers about repository |
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| 20:59.14 | varney | anyone have any pointers as to where to look as i am now lost |
| 20:59.36 | stew | varney: run 'mysqld' as root and see what error pops out |
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| 21:00.18 | varney | mysqld: File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13) <- wth?? |
| 21:00.22 | jdrake | I have a nice 320gb harddrive coming to replace my 80gb in my notebook. I do not want to have to reinstall debian as such, what might be the easiest way of moving the content while being able to take advantage of the larger size (probably for /home)? |
| 21:00.27 | stew | Siya: you could try booting with noapic. I assume that via_velocity is something you need? if not, you could blacklit that module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:00.40 | Kobaz | hmmmm |
| 21:01.15 | Siya | stew: I can do without it as I have 2 nics in there (on board) |
| 21:01.19 | dihymo | does xen allow increasing over what a domain boots with or should i boot every domain with full use of ram and then reduce? |
| 21:01.51 | Siya | jdrake: have a look at dfsee |
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| 21:02.15 | Siya | jdrake: copy from disk to disk while booted from cdrom or usb |
| 21:02.29 | Siya | then use regular tools (or dfsee) to resize |
| 21:02.35 | jdrake | Siya, it is a laptop, thus it can only have one disk in the same time |
| 21:02.38 | varney | stew: i created the file, still the same error remains :( |
| 21:02.58 | Siya | jdrake: I use USB to ATA for that |
| 21:03.04 | stew | varney: what are you using binary logging for? |
| 21:03.11 | dihymo | seems to be a sun limitation |
| 21:03.15 | Siya | external drive enclosures are cheap these days |
| 21:03.28 | jdrake | Siya, I don't have that. I do have an ext3 external harddrive that I can put files on, but not a new disk. |
| 21:03.52 | Siya | jdrake: dfsee can create an image of your current drive |
| 21:03.59 | Siya | replace drive put image back |
| 21:04.10 | jdrake | Siya, can it 'fix' the boot sector for the new disk size? |
| 21:04.13 | varney | stew: i have no idea what you are talking about, i simply followed the instructions on howtoforge, it has always worked flawlessly, this server nothing bloody well works for me |
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| 21:04.32 | varney | aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client etc and now this |
| 21:04.43 | Siya | just have a cdrom at hand that is bottable and can read the external drive and has dfsee on it. I'm sure there are other linux tools like dfsee out there as well |
| 21:04.59 | varney | normally i'd be able to tell what's wrong but this is just pathetic |
| 21:05.05 | stew | varney: if you aren't using the binary logs and they are giving you problems i'd turn off binary logging |
| 21:05.07 | Siya | jdrake: probably |
| 21:05.14 | Siya | google for dfsee and have a look |
| 21:05.22 | Siya | it's a very powerfull tool |
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| 21:05.29 | stew | jdrake: forget dfsee, you can do everything you need to do with free tools |
| 21:05.32 | jdrake | Siya, now a problem: It doesn't look like dfsee is free. I do not have the extra money to buy anything |
| 21:05.40 | varney | stew: i don't even know what binary logging is, i didn't go and set it up specifically |
| 21:05.49 | varney | i just installed mysql as normal and it won't work |
| 21:05.52 | stew | varney: if you dont' know what it is, you don't need it and you can turn it off |
| 21:05.54 | jdrake | stew, how would I fix the boot sector for the new disk size? That seems to be the biggest problem I can forsee. |
| 21:06.13 | Siya | jdrake: it's free for 30 days after that no change in app operation |
| 21:06.20 | stew | its not free |
| 21:06.25 | Siya | indeed it's not free as in beer |
| 21:06.26 | stew | jdrake: the boot sector doens't have to change, unless you mean the partition table |
| 21:06.45 | jdrake | stew, the boot sector contains information on the size of the disk doesn't it? |
| 21:06.48 | stew | jdrake: do you have have 80 gigs of free space on your external drive? |
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| 21:06.59 | chrivers | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 21:07.04 | jdrake | stew, I can dd my partitions over easily enough yes |
| 21:07.07 | stew | jdrake: it contains [part of] the partition table, yes |
| 21:07.23 | jdrake | stew, I only use primary partitions, so it contains all of it |
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| 21:08.40 | stew | then yeah, dd the partitions to back them up, create the partition table, dd the old partitions to the new, copy just the boot record from the old to the new (which is the first 4XX bytes of the boot sector (i don't remember how many exactly, look it up)) |
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| 21:09.18 | stew | jdrake: then you can boot your new system and run "resize2fs /dev/whatever" on each filesystem to resize it to the size of the partition |
| 21:09.19 | jdrake | I will use fdisk and just remember the values |
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| 21:09.31 | jdrake | stew, I use ext3 only for root |
| 21:09.36 | jdrake | I use xfs for everything else |
| 21:09.38 | stew | jdrake: well you could dd the boot sector first, then use fdisk to create a new partition table |
| 21:09.57 | stew | jdrake: i don't know how to resize xfs fiesystem to grow to fit the partition size |
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| 21:10.39 | streuner | doesnt work well in unstable... |
| 21:10.56 | jdrake | hmm, it does appear that the boot sector doesn't contain anything beyond partition table for sizing. |
| 21:11.08 | jdrake | This shall work just nice then |
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| 21:13.16 | jdrake | Thank you all |
| 21:14.02 | {`} | !eat marshmallows |
| 21:14.02 | dpkg | eats marshmallows, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 21:14.07 | dihymo | will xen do disk space "ballooning" |
| 21:14.20 | dihymo | or is it as easy as just doing lvm |
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| 21:16.59 | varney | stew: when i type mysqld, i now get: InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to the directory. File name ./ibdata1 etc |
| 21:17.54 | varney | this is after i commented out the binary logging areas of the my.cnf |
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| 21:20.52 | Siya | I don't seem to manage to blacklist via_velocity (included in the kernel afaik) |
| 21:21.01 | stew | varney: you'd have to run it as root |
| 21:21.02 | Siya | but I do know now that / is mounted |
| 21:21.16 | stew | Siya: its not included in the kernel |
| 21:21.23 | Siya | no? |
| 21:21.26 | stew | no |
| 21:21.27 | Siya | hmmm |
| 21:21.47 | stew | Siya: i mean it is compiled as a module, not directly into the kernel, that's what I was assuming you meant |
| 21:21.49 | Siya | msg dpkg method didn't work |
| 21:21.56 | stew | Siya: you updated the initramfs? |
| 21:22.04 | Siya | stew: errr |
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| 21:31.42 | pbn | Hi there, when I'm doing "halt" on a laptop, it stays on with the message "System halted"... what can I do ? |
| 21:31.53 | abrotman | use poweroff instead ? |
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| 21:34.48 | jthomas | If I upgrade Cups stuff from Etch to Lenny, my printers shouldn't disappear, correct? all the old stuff should still work? |
| 21:35.03 | pbn | abrotman: yes but.. poweroff is a symlink to halt |
| 21:35.10 | jthomas | pbn i had that on a desktop, and i never found a solution. |
| 21:35.29 | abrotman | pbn: does your machine have apm/acpi support? |
| 21:35.43 | pbn | acpi is enable because acip_available && echo Yes |
| 21:35.47 | pbn | tells me yes |
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| 21:39.40 | acu | I have a friend I try to help to install Debian Lenny from daily built - he has an Acer Aspire T671 Intel 2 core duo - with Phoenix Award bios - he downloaded AMD64 and tried to boot - it boots but when you choose either graphic or normal install - it initialize the kernel and then freezez some message about a PCI |
| 21:39.46 | acu | any hint is welcome |
| 21:40.02 | FunkyDrummer | new pc is here :D, la cucaracha, la cucaracha ... |
| 21:40.05 | jthomas | maybe he has bad PCI card or slot? |
| 21:40.48 | acu | jthomas: what do you mean ? - his windows xp works fine - it seem |
| 21:41.15 | jthomas | yeah windows tends to gloss over that kinda stuff, like bad RAM etc until its waaay bad. |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | acu: you can try to disable acpi or apic |
| 21:41.24 | bewpy | when i do apt-get update, i get this error at the end.. http://rafb.net/p/Kdma0318.html |
| 21:41.30 | bewpy | anyone know why? |
| 21:41.54 | acu | abrotman: thanks I will tell him - he is in Spain - he went to sleep :) |
| 21:41.58 | HNSZ | If followed the debian tutorial for creating a usb bootdisk but it get stuck on boot with just a blinking cursor. |
| 21:42.01 | abrotman | acu: that slacker |
| 21:42.14 | acu | well he worked really hard today :) |
| 21:42.26 | Siya | loves udev |
| 21:42.28 | abrotman | i'm still at work! |
| 21:42.31 | adama_ | bewpy: /topic |
| 21:42.38 | acu | abrotman: are you in Spain ? |
| 21:42.50 | varney | bewpy: think u need to import the key first |
| 21:42.53 | stew | bewpy: get rid of non-us, its no longer used: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 21:43.10 | varney | HNSZ: i think that is because the boot sector is corrupt somewhere |
| 21:43.21 | stew | bewpy: its also recommended that you use "etch" instead of "stable" in sources.list |
| 21:43.34 | abrotman | acu: irrelevant :) |
| 21:43.43 | HNSZ | varney: What can I dfo about it? |
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| 21:43.50 | mangospork | Hello. |
| 21:43.59 | acu | anyhow I have some of my own issues - I have somehow manage do screw my sound system from two workstations - both are on AMD - I tried to go trough alsaconf but with no avail |
| 21:44.15 | acu | abrotman: well if is 3 am might be relevant :) |
| 21:44.28 | abrotman | acu: it's not though |
| 21:44.44 | mangospork | Does anyone know where the source code for the Ubuntu Installer is located at? |
| 21:44.45 | bewpy | stew, may I PM you? |
| 21:45.03 | acu | human performance decreases dramatically, people get grumpy, reptilian brain kicks in very often - abrotman, it does not work for you since you are a kind mutant :) |
| 21:45.14 | mangospork | K... |
| 21:45.27 | abrotman | mangospork: ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:45.49 | mangospork | Okay, but does anyone have recomandations for an installer which is based of debian. |
| 21:45.55 | stew | bewpy: you can PM me. however if you are just going to ask for help with your debian system, it is best done here so others can help/benefit |
| 21:45.58 | abrotman | the debian one just works fine |
| 21:46.11 | stew | mangospork: the debian installer: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:46.31 | mangospork | I ment for my own distro. |
| 21:46.32 | mangospork | Lulz |
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| 21:46.49 | bewpy | alright well i am at the site http://ftp-master.debian.org/ but i dont know what im looking for |
| 21:46.52 | stew | mangospork: yes, we'd recommend debian-installer, which is the one used by debian and ubuntu |
| 21:46.55 | varney | HNSZ: try with a different stick? |
| 21:47.20 | mangospork | Okay. |
| 21:47.31 | stew | bewpy: why are you on http://ftp-master.debian.org ? |
| 21:47.31 | HNSZ | varney:That seems like a great idea since I bought this stick today. |
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| 21:48.22 | bewpy | the topic tells me to /msg dpkg etch.. and that gives me that website |
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| 21:48.30 | bewpy | i mean no public key |
| 21:48.32 | bewpy | not etch |
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| 21:49.20 | abrotman | bewpy: there is no more non-us for etch .. comment out the line in your sources |
| 21:49.23 | Siya | right, I can't seem to blacklist via_velocity |
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| 21:49.47 | bewpy | ohh, alright |
| 21:49.48 | bewpy | thanks |
| 21:49.54 | stew | bewpy: you can see the current key with "apt-key list". the key error you are having is likely becuase you are trying to update from an outdated repository that you no longer need |
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| 21:50.08 | stew | bewpy: and you should change "stable" to "etch" in that file |
| 21:50.21 | HNSZ | varney:I used a nifty little program noted at the end of the tutorial called install-mbr from the mbr package. And it boots up fine now. |
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| 21:50.37 | HNSZ | varney:THanks for the tip ;) |
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| 21:51.00 | mangospork | Where is the source code for the deb installer? |
| 21:51.00 | mangospork | Lulz |
| 21:51.11 | abrotman | lulzlulzuluzlulzulzu |
| 21:51.14 | abrotman | hahfunnyhah |
| 21:51.57 | avu | mangospork, svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk |
| 21:52.24 | stew | mangospork: you'll probably want to look at the simple-cdd package and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 21:52.45 | mangospork | Thank you. |
| 21:53.13 | bewpy | ok thanks stew |
| 21:53.45 | paxcoder | stew: abrotman: how come you're always here and answering? |
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| 21:54.02 | abrotman | paxcoder: does that bother you? |
| 21:54.06 | bewpy | one more question stew.. have you ever used Screen bfore? |
| 21:54.10 | paxcoder | abrotman: no, i'm just curious |
| 21:54.26 | paxcoder | *that last thing of yours wasn't an answer, but it's an exception to the rule |
| 21:54.35 | stew | bewpy: i'm almost never not using screen |
| 21:54.49 | Siya | booted into 2.6.26 |
| 21:54.51 | stew | paxcoder: i like to help |
| 21:54.58 | bewpy | well i asked someone if there was a way to boot into a terminal and someone told me to get Screen |
| 21:55.02 | paxcoder | stew: yeah, but you're almost alway using it in this channel :-) |
| 21:55.05 | bewpy | is that right?> |
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| 21:55.13 | abrotman | paxcoder: you help where you can .. why not here .. |
| 21:55.18 | Siya | stew: all I did was swap the used interfaces by editing udev (eth0/eth1) |
| 21:55.29 | Siya | velocity driver is still loaded but not used |
| 21:55.51 | paxcoder | abrotman: I understand, but... always. Like you have no jobs. Or better yet, like this was your job. |
| 21:55.57 | stew | bewpy: no, screen is a way to multiplex a terminal; do you mean that you are booting into X and you just want a console instead of a graphical login? |
| 21:56.05 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting a bit frustrated with (s)chroot - not sure what I am supposed to do about filesystems |
| 21:56.18 | bewpy | yeah |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | paxcoder: i have a job .. my boss knows about IRC .. |
| 21:56.31 | Xklark | is there an easier way to go from etch -> sid without having to burn another disc and reinstall |
| 21:56.40 | abrotman | Xklark: yes .. dist-upgrade |
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| 21:57.53 | stew | paxcoder: i'm self employed. my current work has me constantly doing 45 second compiles |
| 21:58.01 | stew | EmleyMoor: what do you mean "do about filesystems" |
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| 21:58.31 | paxcoder | stew: Huh? I want a piece of that action. |
| 21:58.39 | Siya | \o/ stereo sound! |
| 21:58.42 | bewpy | stew: how can i do that? |
| 21:58.59 | stew | bewpy: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:59.18 | Siya | now to get ampache to work propperly with mpd... |
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| 22:01.00 | EmleyMoor | stew: The bind mounts - where to put and how to specify for each scenario |
| 22:03.10 | EmleyMoor | I'd heard these things were not complicated, but possibly complicating - but it seems awfully complicated to me. Is there a well-written, unambiguous howto? |
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| 22:06.52 | stew | EmleyMoor: i usually just put them into fstab, but schroot has its own mechanism as well |
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| 22:11.56 | paxcoder | !cape |
| 22:12.25 | varney | what is a grsec kernel? |
| 22:13.04 | wimpies | hi all, i have this eee PC which uses libc2.3 but my desktop uses and compiles with lib2.7. How can I compile stuff on my 2.7 for lib2.3 ? |
| 22:14.12 | wols | varney: gr security. google it |
| 22:14.34 | wols | wimpies: you can't. etch has 2.3 only. stay on etch |
| 22:14.54 | themill | wimpies: make an etch chroot inside your lenny/sid install. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:15.11 | wols | oh, misunderstood |
| 22:15.55 | wimpies | themill : any URL explaining in more detail how I do this ? |
| 22:15.59 | themill | wols: well, I *think* that's the question.... |
| 22:16.22 | themill | wimpies: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:18.31 | superjoe30 | hey how come there's no defragmentation on linux |
| 22:18.57 | superjoe30 | or perhaps there is and I'm not aware of it |
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| 22:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe30, there is... but it's supposed to be neglegible on "modern filesystems" |
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| 22:21.48 | superjoe30 | CutMeOwnThroat, what does that mean? it doesn't create fragments very often, or it automatically defrags them, what? |
| 22:21.48 | hellop | Hello. I have executed a shell script that's stuck in an infinite loop. I then did: kill <PID> on that script's PID without passing a "signal" to kill. The process is not in my ps list, but it seems to be still running. How can I kill a script that doesn't appear in my process list? |
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| 22:21.56 | EmleyMoor | OK - am I right in thinking, once I've got my chroot running, I maintain the packages in it just like I would an ia32 system? |
| 22:22.19 | superjoe30 | hellop, why do you think it's still running if it's not in the process list? |
| 22:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe30, I don't think it's removing them - it's just allocating space efficiently enough so that it doesn't fragment fast (or so I imagine it) |
| 22:22.42 | hellop | superjoe30: CPU load is at 52% |
| 22:22.54 | hellop | Instead of the usual 100% idle |
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| 22:23.30 | hellop | oh, also, the script sent data out on a port, and iptraf shows the data is still being sent, tho the script is not in the process list. |
| 22:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe30, actually this should be one of the reasons, why you should always have >=10% free space on every device |
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| 22:24.00 | superjoe30 | hellop, you using ps with the -e switch? |
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| 22:24.28 | hellop | What is superjoe30, no: ps aux |
| 22:24.50 | superjoe30 | try it, ps -e |
| 22:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellop, what does top show which process causes the load? |
| 22:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe30, /msg dpkg tune2fs |
| 22:25.44 | superjoe30 | ok |
| 22:25.52 | hellop | CutMeOwnThroat: well it has bash at the top running 10%... everything else 0%. Strange that bash is still executing the script, tho I "killed" the actual .sh script. Can someone explain that to me? |
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| 22:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellop, well, kill it :) use -9 if -15 (default) doesn't work |
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| 22:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "k" in top does that, too |
| 22:27.05 | hellop | BTW I ran the script with: ./test.sh & to put it in the background. I just never knew I could kill, remove it from ps, yet it is still running.. |
| 22:27.17 | hellop | Seems like a nifty way to hide the fact that a shell script is executing |
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| 22:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, it's not how it's supposed to work - but of course, as a script, bash or sh would be the process (but probably with the name of your script) |
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| 22:29.00 | EmleyMoor | The update notifier on my lenny amd64 system shows an update available but there isn't one. Why would it do that? |
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| 22:31.33 | hellop | I dunno either.. hmm.. could have been another bash session that locked up or something.. On a related note, is there a way to execute a shell or perl script and force it's filename to not show up in the ps list? |
| 22:31.53 | hellop | To basically do what I just saw happening, on purpose. |
| 22:31.56 | hellop | ;) |
| 22:32.48 | hellop | Oh, now I know what happened. |
| 22:33.15 | hellop | If you don't background the script, it just shows up as "bash". So, I had an ssh session lockup where the script was not running in the background. |
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| 22:38.29 | paxcoder | wth did you know FTP is as old as ... other stuff from 1971? |
| 22:38.44 | paxcoder | didn't know there were real computers back then |
| 22:38.54 | paxcoder | *well the idea anyway |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 22:39.27 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 22:40.13 | hellop | paxcoder, Try this: strings /usr/bin/ftp | grep Copyright |
| 22:40.59 | paxcoder | hellop: I got nothing |
| 22:41.52 | paxcoder | I was just reading that thing you posted a link to. Although the author and I dislike each other (I dislike him fro he dislikes me... and is rude) |
| 22:42.24 | hellop | paxcoder: capital C? |
| 22:42.35 | hellop | I get this: @(#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. |
| 22:42.38 | paxcoder | hellop: ^C in fact |
| 22:43.18 | hellop | how about just the first part: strings /usr/bin/ftp |
| 22:43.28 | hellop | or whatever the path is to your ftp binary |
| 22:43.47 | paxcoder | hellop: anyway, I said ideas. Actually the author is exadurating. It's the idea of file transfer. |
| 22:43.49 | omry | I created a deb, put it in a repo, and when I try to install it I get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" . how do I solve this? |
| 22:44.56 | EmleyMoor | How do I allow my chroot to use my X display? |
| 22:45.16 | paxcoder | hellop: nope goes beyond screen |
| 22:45.29 | EmleyMoor | (I have schroot working) |
| 22:45.49 | hellop | paxcoder: dunno... just thought it was funny that ftp would have a weird copyright like that... Like, it's not GPL or something |
| 22:46.12 | paxcoder | hellop: why do you say it's not gpl? |
| 22:46.15 | paxcoder | wait now... |
| 22:47.15 | varney | i have bought a dedicated server that has a grsec kernel - i have been told it causes problems here and there, and that i can replace it with a standard - is it just aptitude install kernel-686? |
| 22:47.18 | hellop | cuz, it doesn't say GPL, says copyright UoC |
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| 22:47.40 | themill | hellop: GPL software is still copyright of the author(s) |
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| 22:48.10 | paxcoder | themill: exactly. but still, what happens when the author doesn't say, he just says copyright |
| 22:48.13 | hellop | well, I guess I'm easily amused then.. |
| 22:48.14 | paxcoder | nowadays it's fair use |
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| 22:48.14 | bewpy_ | is there anyway to open a .rar file? |
| 22:48.17 | paxcoder | but back then not. |
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| 22:48.26 | paxcoder | fair use is not GPL compatible :-) i think |
| 22:48.46 | paxcoder | bewpy_: not without installing proprietary "unrar" |
| 22:48.48 | jchaiken | Can someone send me a copy of their /etc/init.d/openbsd.inetd? I inadvertantly killed it |
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| 22:49.01 | themill | paxcoder: string on a binary is almost never going to turn up GPL. That's what /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright is for. |
| 22:49.43 | themill | paxcoder: anyway, Regents of UC usually means it's BSD licenced. |
| 22:49.46 | EmleyMoor | I have a chroot set up with a few choice apps I can't get for amd64, but they need X and trying to call them with schroot says "Unable to open display" |
| 22:50.09 | paxcoder | themill: yes, i see it's there. a link anyway |
| 22:50.14 | paxcoder | *to BSD license |
| 22:50.36 | bewpy_ | okay, i just installed it paxcoder, how do i use it? |
| 22:50.52 | hellop | bewpy_ or, apt-get install p7zip-full |
| 22:51.12 | paxcoder | bewpy_: i didn't say you install it. but you can use it from shell, i think with unzip zipfile.zip |
| 22:51.16 | paxcoder | or just use file-roller |
| 22:51.17 | themill | EmleyMoor: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say (in the terminal just before you run schroot) |
| 22:51.21 | flexus | Hi, I don't have enough disk space on /var to run updatedb - is it possible to configure updatedb/sort in a way that the temp files are put in diffrent directory? |
| 22:51.33 | EmleyMoor | :0.0 |
| 22:51.37 | paxcoder | it integrates with it |
| 22:51.46 | hellop | flexus: delete something in /var |
| 22:51.58 | flexus | sort has such an option but it can't be set through updatedb |
| 22:52.22 | jdrake | Does anyone know what would be the *ultimate* source code formatter for printing? Headers/footers and line numbers down the page with support for minimal syntax highlighting (such as bold) and supporting at least python and haskell. |
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| 22:52.42 | flexus | hellop, there is not much to delete |
| 22:52.42 | themill | EmleyMoor: see the section "Running from within the current X session": http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot |
| 22:53.28 | paxcoder | *bump* jdrake has an interesting question i do not have an answer to |
| 22:53.35 | varney | how do i replace my current grsec kernel with a standard i686 kernel? |
| 22:54.07 | flexus | hellop, there are already 450M free on /var |
| 22:54.12 | EmleyMoor | themill: that talks about a kde4 user... not sure how to work this into my system |
| 22:54.25 | paxcoder | varney: for what I experienced, you apt-get the standard kernel, and then it just appears as an option in GRUB upon reboot, you can chg it in /etc/boot/menu.lst, or something like that |
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| 22:54.55 | paxcoder | varney: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:55.18 | EmleyMoor | However, I think I am getting somewhere |
| 22:55.21 | paxcoder | you chg default to yours, or even delete the old one after apt-get remove when in the new one. |
| 22:55.30 | jchaiken | Can someone send me a copy of their /etc/init.d/openbsd.inetd? I inadvertantly killed it |
| 22:55.31 | paxcoder | *yours should read: the new one |
| 22:55.54 | hellop | flexus: I didn't think updatedb required more then 450megs how about you try: slocate -u / |
| 22:55.54 | EmleyMoor | Ah, that looks nice |
| 22:56.02 | themill | EmleyMoor: success then? |
| 22:56.21 | EmleyMoor | themill: It clued me in enough to know |
| 22:56.23 | hellop | flexus: or from the man page, just: slocate -u |
| 22:56.40 | themill | EmleyMoor: I was hoping so... (I've never used schroot, but knew of that documentation!) |
| 22:56.41 | paxcoder | jchaiken: will do, in PM |
| 22:57.01 | jchaiken | Thanks |
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| 22:58.51 | hellop | jdrake, code formatter? I dunno, but jedit has a pretty easy template for adding syntax highlighting, and tons of addons, including a code formatte |
| 22:59.00 | varney | paxcoder: cool, but i have never done this b4 what sort of package am i looking for? |
| 22:59.17 | paxcoder | themill: what about jdrake? |
| 22:59.18 | varney | as in linux-image... |
| 22:59.34 | themill | paxcoder: what about jdrake? |
| 22:59.42 | paxcoder | varney: well, depends on your machine, do you use 32 bit intel? |
| 22:59.47 | varney | yes |
| 22:59.50 | jdrake | hellop, might be worth a shot - is jedit faster then it used to be? |
| 22:59.55 | flexus | hellop, thx, i'll have a try |
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| 23:00.27 | paxcoder | varney, lemme check. |
| 23:00.33 | varney | sure |
| 23:00.39 | hellop | jdrake: was always fast for me... |
| 23:00.44 | jdrake | jedit has no debian package? |
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| 23:00.59 | jdrake | hellop, I have had really bad luck anytime I tried it. |
| 23:01.08 | paxcoder | varney: using lenny (testing)? |
| 23:01.12 | hellop | jdrake: google |
| 23:01.14 | varney | no, etch |
| 23:01.34 | jdrake | I see now :-) |
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| 23:01.57 | themill | jdrake: kwrite/kate/kdevelop all have nice pretty-printers which is what I normally use |
| 23:02.41 | paxcoder | varney: hmm. don't know what your current version is. try apt-get install linux-image* and then answer N when it asks you to install |
| 23:02.53 | jdrake | A large quantity of packages are being updated today |
| 23:03.19 | hellop | jdrake: I think you should just write your own code formatter. It'll be fun! |
| 23:03.40 | bewpy_ | anyone know how to use p7zip? |
| 23:03.40 | jdrake | hellop, I was considering it ;-) |
| 23:03.58 | varney | paxcoder: it gave me a whole list of things it was gonna install, 2.6.18-6 being the version it shows for them |
| 23:04.09 | varney | what to do next? |
| 23:04.21 | paxcoder | varney then install: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:04.34 | varney | ok |
| 23:04.36 | varney | :) |
| 23:04.38 | paxcoder | apt-get install that |
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| 23:04.56 | abrotman | varney: install linux-image-686 |
| 23:05.01 | varney | what would happen if i had said yes to the previous command |
| 23:05.04 | varney | ? |
| 23:05.10 | varney | just curious |
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| 23:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellop, a script not showing up on the ps-list? that usually means you download a rootkit, install a hacked ps that doesn't display the process of your choice - and, if you do all that, you're officially allowed to call yourself script-kiddie :) |
| 23:05.24 | paxcoder | varney: it would install some 100 different versions of kernels |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | varney: it installs a metapackage .. which will automagically upgrade you when new versions come out |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | bewpy_: what do you mean "know how" ? |
| 23:05.42 | varney | ok |
| 23:05.48 | paxcoder | yeah varney, do that then |
| 23:06.15 | paxcoder | varney: i thought you were speaking about the * one I have you. |
| 23:06.21 | EmleyMoor | Is there any way to call on realplayer from the chroot from within 64 bit iceweasel? |
| 23:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellop, although, I think I remember that some type... of bsd (?) only show you your own processes kind of as part of rights management |
| 23:06.44 | abrotman | pseubodot: ? |
| 23:06.50 | jdrake | jedit's fonts are small and ugly |
| 23:06.54 | paxcoder | EmleyMoor: thanks for reminding me why i use 32 bit system on my 64 bit machine |
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| 23:07.30 | hellop | CutMeOwnThroat: U didn't see my post? I ran the script in the foreground, and then that ssh session locked up... That's what happened. |
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| 23:07.57 | hellop | I just learned that running the script in the foreground doesn't show the script name in the ps list... that's all. |
| 23:08.28 | paxcoder | hellop: what? how do you mean? |
| 23:08.56 | hellop | jdrake: I like it because of the regex support, hex editing, easy syntax highlighting, and sideXside view, and it loads a lot faster then Eclipse... |
| 23:08.58 | paxcoder | don't make me make an endless loop |
| 23:09.03 | varney | ok it gave me errors with installing linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 23:09.11 | varney | even though i said 686 |
| 23:09.21 | jdrake | hellop, I take it you use it for more than simple text editing |
| 23:09.24 | hellop | paxcoder: how what? |
| 23:09.34 | paxcoder | varney do it like abrotman said: apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 23:09.52 | paxcoder | hellop: how do you mean no process name |
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| 23:11.36 | varney | dpkg: error processing linux-image-686 (--configure): |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | varney: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:11.36 | varney | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.36 | varney | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:11.36 | varney | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.36 | varney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.03 | Bizzeh | hey, will debian/linux in general run from a /boot as ext2 and / as fat32 ? |
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| 23:12.40 | abrotman | Bizzeh: i'm not saying it won't .. but it seems like a pretty poor idea |
| 23:13.08 | abrotman | varney: use paste.debian.net |
| 23:13.17 | abrotman | varney: and make sure you do an aptitude update first |
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| 23:13.47 | hellop | paxcoder: maybe I am rooted.... |
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| 23:13.57 | hellop | let me try to reproduce the error |
| 23:14.40 | Bizzeh | abrotman: i need the drive to run linux, but also be fully accessable under windows without one of those terrible applications that dont work to access it |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | you mean like ex2ifs or whatever it is ? |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | Bizzeh: let me put it this way .. fat32 knows nothing about permissions |
| 23:15.27 | abrotman | or symlinks |
| 23:15.36 | EmleyMoor | OK - how do I run 32-bit iceweasel rather than 64? Do I have to close 64 first? |
| 23:15.39 | abrotman | you know .. useful filesystem stuff :) |
| 23:16.00 | themill | EmleyMoor: most likely. |
| 23:16.06 | Bizzeh | abrotman: still, ex2ifs is something extra i need to install... and im not that bothered about premitions |
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| 23:16.26 | abrotman | Bizzeh: all i can say is to try it .. but don't be surprised when it doesn't work |
| 23:16.40 | abrotman | !tell Bizzeh about explore2fs |
| 23:16.47 | abrotman | !tell Bizzeh about ext2ifs |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | though i think they're both read only |
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| 23:17.02 | Bizzeh | explore2fs is terrible |
| 23:17.08 | Bizzeh | and both are read only |
| 23:17.11 | Bizzeh | which i cant have |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | oh .. explore2fs does read/write |
| 23:17.21 | Bizzeh | it claims to do readwrite |
| 23:17.26 | Bizzeh | but its like the old linux ntfs |
| 23:17.34 | Bizzeh | only overwrites existing files or something |
| 23:18.29 | abrotman | Bizzeh: oh ... ext2ifs says it does read/write now too |
| 23:18.43 | EmleyMoor | themill: Indeed - trying to start it with 64 running opens another window of 64 |
| 23:18.44 | Lagbolts | i have used ext2ifs, always worked well for me |
| 23:19.28 | Lagbolts | EmleyMoor, i dont run 64 and 32 but i can get two instances of 32 to run separately by using different "profiles" |
| 23:19.41 | abrotman | Bizzeh: i think i'd be more willing to try ext2ifs than watch linux do weird things with no perms/symlinks |
| 23:20.15 | Bizzeh | abrotman: on a computer that refuses to allow me to install pretty much anything, let alone drivers? |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | Bizzeh: get a new admin :) |
| 23:21.05 | hellop | CutMeOwnThroat: paxcoder: Ok, you have forced me to learn something. <grrrrr> So, here's why I thought there was no PS entry for the script, and why I thought I had to kill the script twice: |
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| 23:22.08 | lewis2 | when running rsync, I now get "write error: no buffer space available" - can anyone help? |
| 23:22.27 | hellop | Ok, if you make a foo.sh that contains one line: sleep 100. Then execute it, you have 2 processes involved, 1: bash, which runs the script, and 2: "sleep 100", a CLI binary program.. |
| 23:23.31 | hellop | So, if my shell script has a fast executing loop, with say: sleep .0001 or something. Then when you issue ps, you'll see a unique PID for each time the sleep program is executed. But, you won't see foo.sh in the ps list, just bash. |
| 23:23.35 | hellop | Right? |
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| 23:24.30 | hellop | So, when I thought I was killing the script, I was really just trying to kill the one iteration of the while loop that ran the CLI command... instead of killing the script. |
| 23:25.43 | petemc | ppid is a useful thing |
| 23:25.58 | hellop | CutMeOwnThroat: so, does that seem right? when you execute a shell script, you in fact do not see the name of the script in the ps list? |
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| 23:29.37 | {`} | hellop: how did you resolve the issue of the process being a bin and continually spawning? in other words, what method was used to terminate the bin? |
| 23:30.01 | hellop | top, then kill the bash session from which the shell script was executed |
| 23:30.13 | {`} | hellop: thank you |
| 23:30.58 | beardy | {`}: Thank you too for an entertaining discussion. |
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| 23:31.17 | {`} | beardy: anytime |
| 23:32.35 | {`} | :D |
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| 23:37.51 | iRoxx | I am the quote bot! I say funny quotes if you enter "cbx randquote" |
| 23:38.00 | ohayo-san | cbx randquote |
| 23:38.01 | iRoxx | Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. |
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| 23:38.02 | ubuRoxx | I am the quote bot! I say funny quotes if you enter "cbx randquote" |
| 23:38.02 | iRoxx | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, ubuRoxx |
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| 23:38.42 | hellop | wtf |
| 23:38.45 | buu | haha |
| 23:38.47 | ohayo-san | cbx randquote |
| 23:38.47 | ubuRoxx | Men are like bank accounts. Without a lot of money they don't generate a lot of interest. |
| 23:39.25 | ohayo-san | cbx listallfolders |
| 23:39.40 | ohayo-san | cbx sendmefile tsubasa 1 |
| 23:39.58 | buu | ohayo-san: What the hell are you doing? |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | ohayo-san: please stop |
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| 23:40.32 | ohayo-san | okay |
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| 23:40.38 | hellop | #debian has turned into a warez channel eh? |
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| 23:42.25 | lewis2 | anyone encountered 'no buffer space available' when doing rysnc before? |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | in io.c ? |
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| 23:46.04 | iceberg | are all lenny single comes CD comes without standard librarru like perl and gcc ? |
| 23:46.59 | iceberg | any help here ? |
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| 23:47.26 | maybeway36 | iceberg: i usually to a newboot install with the mini.iso, so I'm not sure |
| 23:47.29 | maybeway36 | *netboot |
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| 23:48.23 | iceberg | i'm using mepis beta 8 seems like missing all those standard library |
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| 23:48.35 | debian | hi |
| 23:48.35 | ubuRoxx | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, debian |
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| 23:48.37 | ubuRoxx | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, tobias |
| 23:48.37 | debian | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, tobias |
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| 23:48.39 | wassup_09 | i have a problem |
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| 23:49.08 | hellop | lewis2: type top. what do you have for available memory? |
| 23:49.12 | {`} | wassup_09: your bot is nice and could be put to good use in #ubuntu |
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| 23:49.17 | ubuRoxx | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, dmoerner |
| 23:49.18 | hellop | "free" memory |
| 23:49.18 | ubuRoxx | Welcome to the Ubuntu channel!, streuner_ |
| 23:49.24 | {`} | they need it |
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| 23:50.30 | hellop | lewis2: hello? |
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| 23:51.53 | iceberg | anyone, does ubuntu comes with all standard library (gcc & perl) in one single CD? |
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| 23:52.07 | maybeway36 | iceberg: I think to |
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| 23:52.15 | maybeway36 | not sure if make is includeed |
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| 23:52.54 | avu | iceberg, ask #ubuntu |
| 23:52.55 | iceberg | i just hate to test another debian without knoewing all stnd libraru are included |
| 23:53.09 | avu | ubuntu is not debian. |
| 23:54.53 | iceberg | coming from windo$ trying to migrate/fresh install apaache and mod_perl to debian for development any recommendation one single cd |
| 23:55.08 | hellop | iceberg: netinstall |
| 23:55.50 | iceberg | unfortunately my adsl is anot winmodem could not install linux version |
| 23:55.59 | maybeway36 | iceberg: you could always install build-essential later, and most distros include all other standard libs on CD1 |
| 23:56.13 | iceberg | thanks |
| 23:56.28 | iceberg | what does it do ? |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | iceberg: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:56.47 | hellop | iceberg: plug your Adsl in with an ethernet cable instead of the USB cable to avoid that problem |
| 23:57.11 | WormFood | anyone have any ideas why a 1 gig flashdrive with 239M free shown with "df" would say it is out of space when trying to copy a 3 meg file? |
| 23:57.25 | iceberg | ok, got to try this now thanks all. got to sign off to work on that |
| 23:57.36 | iceberg | bye |
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| 23:57.56 | phlux | Is it possible to use one 'Eterm' to do this: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/irssi_workspace.png |
| 23:57.58 | hellop | WormFood: broken? does it work in another OS/computer? |
| 23:58.28 | WormFood | hellop, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, and unfortunately I don't have another computer available right this instant to test it on |
| 23:58.46 | hellop | WormFood: maybe it has some weird Windows cryptography program on it.. |
| 23:59.21 | WormFood | hellop, no, I partitioned and formatted it under Linux (formatted to fat32, sadly, because it needs to be accessed under winblows) |
