| 00:00.10 | hellop | oh.. then, it sounds brokenish to me |
| 00:00.40 | WormFood | I rather doubt it is broken....but you're right, it does sound brokenish |
| 00:02.08 | hellop | try reformatting it in different ways.. |
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| 00:05.28 | hellop | What is the difference between: ipt_TTL and ipt_ttl (for example) in my lsmod output? |
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| 00:07.13 | Octalot | WormFood - how many files on it, and can you create a smaller file on it? |
| 00:07.30 | Octalot | and how many files in the root directory? |
| 00:07.36 | abrotman | pseubodot: you around? |
| 00:08.20 | WormFood | Octalot, I totally forgot about the root directory limit, I bet that is the "problem" |
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| 00:08.42 | WormFood | I don't have the memory stick anymore |
| 00:08.56 | hellop | huh? |
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| 00:09.17 | hellop | smashed it? |
| 00:09.54 | WormFood | no, I have given it to my girlfriend to take to work with her already |
| 00:10.06 | zamaliphe | how can i install c man ? for i do `man fopen` so i get fopen function man page ? |
| 00:10.21 | WormFood | try "man -a fopen" |
| 00:10.38 | WormFood | if there are multiple man pages, after you close the first man page, the 2nd page will open |
| 00:10.50 | zamaliphe | WormFood: No manual entry for fopen |
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| 00:11.31 | abrotman | zamaliphe: manpages-dev |
| 00:11.36 | zamaliphe | WormFood: no i need the pkg name of the c manuel functions ? |
| 00:11.41 | WormFood | zamaliphe, I don't have it either, but it is probably under another entry |
| 00:13.13 | zamaliphe | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:15.13 | hellop | WormFood: explain: girlfriend |
| 00:17.10 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:17.18 | WormFood | that is the woman who takes all my money |
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| 00:18.22 | acu | guys - I have a problem my PS2 mouse is not recognized anymore and have no SOUND anymore - any hint what should I do to reset everything ? |
| 00:18.24 | zamaliphe | what is beter aspell or ispell ? |
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| 00:18.53 | sp219 | aspell |
| 00:19.28 | zamaliphe | sp219: ok thanks |
| 00:20.05 | abrotman | acu: not recognized where? and what have you tried so far? |
| 00:21.08 | acu | abrotman: I have tried to volume control get this message: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 00:21.44 | acu | abrotman: tried system sound and multimedia and restart the alsa - |
| 00:22.02 | acu | I am trying to complete remove alsa - but I will remove gnome too |
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| 00:22.44 | abrotman | that makes no sense |
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| 00:23.09 | acu | :) |
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| 00:25.47 | zamaliphe | acu: here is what you do tray "alsaconfig" as root if that didnot work the download the last alsa source and compile it that alwes work for me |
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| 00:26.59 | acu | zama: OK I do not know how to download alsa source and compile it - where from |
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| 00:27.01 | h3king | how to make the grub change menu.list after update kernel include like this " vga=792 quite" |
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| 00:30.39 | abrotman | h3king: see the defoptions line |
| 00:30.59 | h3king | abrotman: 3q |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | i think |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | double checks |
| 00:31.13 | cilkay | Hello. I want to create a partial local mirror of packages. I've installed and configured reprepro so that it creates the pool from the packages that are in /var/cache/apt/packages. I was thinking of mounting a CD with packages and having reprepro add those packages to the local repo. How do I ensure that I have the latest copy of a given package? |
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| 00:32.07 | abrotman | says it's fo rthe default kernel but not alternatives |
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| 00:33.19 | cilkay | I don't see the point of installing package foo first and then having to do an upgrade later so I'd rather install the latest version the first time. This is all in anticipation of doing preseed installations via PXE. |
| 00:33.48 | cilkay | Any ideas on how I can ensure I always have the latest copy of a given package in my local repo> |
| 00:33.50 | cilkay | ? |
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| 00:35.22 | acu | Hey guys - i tried to reinstall a bunch of alsa plugins and others and at the end I got this error - E: /var/cache/apt/archives/lib32asound2_1.0.16-2_amd64.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) |
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| 00:39.02 | cilkay | Is there a better channel than this to ask questions about installation? I never seem to get answers here about preseeding, repo mirroring and such. |
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| 00:41.41 | abrotman | cilkay: why not use a proxy instead of your own actual mirror ? |
| 00:42.04 | cilkay | Because I couldn't get apt-proxy working. |
| 00:42.13 | cilkay | It just seemed like more trouble than it was worth. |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | there is also apt-cacher and apropros |
| 00:42.25 | cilkay | It seems like there are at least half a dozen different ways to do this. |
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| 00:42.56 | cilkay | I didn't like the apt-cacher approach either. I like the partial mirror approach because it, well, mirrors the official repos architecture. |
| 00:44.22 | cilkay | Besides, I already have reprepro mirroring stuff in /var/cache/apt/packages |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | i'd rather have a cacher |
| 00:44.33 | cilkay | What's the difference? |
| 00:44.45 | cilkay | Actually, I could have a cacher that is upstream of the machine. |
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| 00:45.05 | cilkay | I know there is an add-on for IPCop that does that. |
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| 00:45.52 | cilkay | What the diff between a mirror, partial or not, and a cache? They both store packages for installation. |
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| 00:48.13 | Guerin | a mirror is designed to stay in sync, while a cache only stores matter recently retrieved |
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| 00:48.37 | Guerin | you could say a cache is a partial on-demand mirror |
| 00:48.53 | Guerin | (but only efficient for the second and subsequent request) |
| 00:49.13 | taiten9871 | where can I reach debian package manual? |
| 00:49.21 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 00:49.22 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 00:49.54 | taiten9871 | thx |
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| 00:50.34 | ceil420 | question: rsync -r --progress /seagate/music /media/music <=- this will copy everything in my seagate's music folder (excluding the folder itself) to my /media/music folder, keeping folders and not over-writing or deleting anything there, yes? |
| 00:50.37 | cilkay | Guerin: I have a hybrid then I guess. I didn't change anything in sources.list for the private repo server. I have a cron job that runs reprepro against /var/cache/apt/packages and copies to my local repo's pool. |
| 00:50.56 | cilkay | ceil420: Add --dry-run and you'll see. |
| 00:51.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | suggests http://women.debian.org/personals section |
| 00:51.27 | ceil420 | it doesn't hurt anything to ^C a dry-run does it? |
| 00:51.34 | cilkay | Always a good idea to test rsync with --dry-run anyway. |
| 00:51.37 | cilkay | nope |
| 00:51.39 | ceil420 | kk |
| 00:51.46 | cilkay | It's a dry run, ergo no changes. |
| 00:52.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question, I don't have a display-manager, what's the best way to select window managers? |
| 00:52.19 | ceil420 | lol dry-run was fast |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: you don't select .. you edit a file |
| 00:52.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, that's much better |
| 00:52.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | which file? |
| 00:52.42 | ceil420 | Salom\#351 |
| 00:52.44 | ceil420 | ... |
| 00:53.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've gotta try... |
| 00:53.16 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: 404 |
| 00:53.21 | karsten | ;-) |
| 00:53.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | karsten: yeah... :( |
| 00:53.29 | ceil420 | IDE > SATA is faster than i thought it'd be |
| 00:53.38 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: WRT WMs: find something that you like and/or that doesn't suck. |
| 00:53.41 | ceil420 | like 5x faster than USB > SATA at least :o |
| 00:53.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm single and I'd much rather have a linux-chick on my arm than a normal girl |
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| 00:53.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | :) |
| 00:53.58 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: ~/.xsession |
| 00:54.03 | ceil420 | (could also be ext3 > ext3; when i did my usb mp3 player thing, it was fat32 > ext3) |
| 00:54.04 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: I use WindowMaker, generally recommend it, or XFCE4, before KDE or GNOME. |
| 00:54.20 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: Um, select how? |
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| 00:54.58 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: *real* debinistas just aptitude install Debian on an appropriate hardware platform.... |
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| 00:55.08 | cilkay | Is there any harm in copying packages off the installation CD into /var/cache/apt/packages? |
| 00:55.09 | HeXiLed | hi guys |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | cilkay: nope |
| 00:55.30 | karsten | cilkay: No. That's prett much waht the CD apt method does. |
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| 00:55.53 | pipegeek | Hey, folks |
| 00:55.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | karsten: I've got debian running, I'm learning where the line between desktop and window managers lies |
| 00:55.57 | cilkay | How are those packages eventually replaced by newer ones when you do an update? |
| 00:55.59 | pipegeek | err, wrong channel, sorry |
| 00:56.12 | jetscreamer | cilkay: those packages might not be uptodate eh... security fixes and whatnot |
| 00:56.25 | cilkay | correct, which is why I asked how are they replaced? |
| 00:56.57 | gladideg_ | Single mouse click is not registering properly in VNC. I need to wiggle it a bit before it acts. |
| 00:57.27 | jetscreamer | either over the intarweb or when you use a new cd/dvd ... of course you can always just cp them to /ver/blah like you said |
| 00:57.35 | jetscreamer | err /var/blah |
| 00:57.51 | jetscreamer | man apt-cdrom if you want to use a disc |
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| 00:58.23 | pdani | -db s vmware |
| 00:58.42 | pdani | oops, wrong channel, sorry :) |
| 00:59.15 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: I'd say E16 straddles the line, wmaker comes close to doing same. |
| 00:59.21 | HeXiLed | i need to install rtorrent version 0.8.2 and with debian etch and version 6. can anyone help ? |
| 00:59.34 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: In general, XFCE4, KDE, GNOME are desktop environments. Everything else is a window manager. |
| 00:59.41 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 00:59.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 01:00.02 | karsten | cilkay: Yes, in general, packages are updated in /var/cache/apt/packages as updates are available. |
| 01:00.22 | karsten | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about window managers for x |
| 01:00.40 | karsten | Blast_Hardcheese: see that factoid ^^. It gives a pretty good overview of your options. |
| 01:00.40 | cilkay | But not all packages that are installed are in /var/cache/apt/packages. Some were installed off the CD. |
| 01:00.59 | karsten | cilkay: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:01.10 | karsten | cilkay: In general, that doesn't matter. |
| 01:01.11 | cilkay | I just thought of how I can get the latest packages for all the stuff I have installed on a reference system. I can query the existing installation, get the list, and apt-get download only. |
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| 01:01.30 | karsten | cilkay: /var/cache/apt/ is just that: an apt cache. I generally clear mine out when I run out of space on /var. |
| 01:01.33 | jetscreamer | no packages will be in /var/cache/apt/archives if you do apt-get autoclean |
| 01:01.44 | jetscreamer | or clean |
| 01:01.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | karsten: Neat, thanks. I'm trying out xmonad |
| 01:01.50 | karsten | cilkay: /msg dpkg apt-proxy |
| 01:01.58 | jetscreamer | clean doesn't clean as much as autoclean but i forget the diff |
| 01:02.06 | cilkay | I couldn't get apt-proxy working. |
| 01:02.16 | cilkay | That was a week ago so I don't remember the specifics. |
| 01:02.34 | cilkay | But I know now what I have to do. |
| 01:02.36 | karsten | cilkay: If you're trying to get the exact same versions of all packages on all systems, run you own local repo, but I'd suggest you not do that. |
| 01:03.24 | cilkay | I am trying to set up a local partial mirror for preseed PXE installations. |
| 01:03.43 | karsten | cilkay: Otherwise: dpkg --get-selection > file; cp file remotehost:.; ssh remotehost 'dpkg --set-selections <file; apt-get dselect-upgrade' |
| 01:04.04 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 01:04.06 | cilkay | That's what I concluded that I had to do above. |
| 01:04.06 | bbelt16ag | question... |
| 01:04.13 | bbelt16ag | how stable is testing? |
| 01:04.21 | Guerin | it isn't |
| 01:04.30 | karsten | cilkay: It's pretty straightforward. You can also used a shared network mount (smb or nfs) and use that as a file-based method. Read the apt-get howto for more information. |
| 01:04.34 | bbelt16ag | so its possible my whole system could crash |
| 01:04.36 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Not. |
| 01:04.38 | Guerin | it changes daily |
| 01:04.39 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | still votes for a cacher/proxy |
| 01:04.45 | cilkay | karsten: Actually, not quite. I was going to --get-selection and use that to build the local repo. |
| 01:04.53 | bbelt16ag | ok then I will use stable |
| 01:04.58 | cilkay | What is the downside of the local repo? |
| 01:05.00 | karsten | cilkay: apt-proxy is your friend. |
| 01:05.07 | karsten | cilkay: Try it again, post your problems here. |
| 01:05.14 | cilkay | OK, will do. |
| 01:05.16 | cilkay | Thanks. |
| 01:05.44 | karsten | cilkay: The downside is that you are now your own mirror manager and you've got to sort out what is or isn't in the repo, and maintain it, and run herd over any security / bugfix updates. |
| 01:06.17 | karsten | cilkay: You've also got to set it up and maintain it, all of which is pretty much what apt-proxy was created to solve. |
| 01:06.58 | cilkay | I don't understand how having a local partial mirror makes it any more difficult to do security or bugfix updates. |
| 01:07.11 | cilkay | ... but I'll try apt-proxy again. |
| 01:07.13 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Note that "stable" refers to whether or not there are drastic changes to packages. testing/unstable might or might not eat your homework and BBQ your dog, however you _are_ guaranteed that package functionality will change. |
| 01:07.24 | cilkay | It *did* sound like it was tailor-made for what I wanted. |
| 01:07.38 | karsten | cilkay: It's an option. I'd do apt-proxy as a startign point. You can go either way. |
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| 01:08.32 | HeXiLed | what the most recent deb sources ? and by most recent i mean the source mirror that is probably testing or unstable |
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| 01:08.39 | HeXiLed | sarge ? |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | lenny is testing |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about mirrors |
| 01:09.47 | wopal | is debian dying? there are bugs in packages which remain uncorrected. |
| 01:10.23 | wopal | no maintainers. |
| 01:11.28 | wopal | heh? |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | so send a patch |
| 01:12.05 | karsten | wopal: It's been dying for fourteen years. |
| 01:12.53 | HeXiLed | is there a way of just adding 2 packages from lenny insted of having the whole source info downloaded? |
| 01:12.57 | wopal | ubuntu is beating the life out of debian. |
| 01:13.36 | cilkay | wopal: Ummm... Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 01:14.19 | wopal | cilkay: i know, but it releases faster. |
| 01:14.43 | dryrot | there's a new debian release soon, i swear |
| 01:14.50 | cilkay | shrugs |
| 01:14.53 | cilkay | uses both |
| 01:15.18 | wopal | cilkay: do you know if xvidcap works on ubuntu? |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | wopal: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:15.39 | cilkay | No idea - don't know what it is. |
| 01:15.58 | wopal | cilkay: its a screen capture program. |
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| 01:16.11 | cilkay | I use KSnapshot |
| 01:16.20 | karsten | wopal: Do you have a Debian-related question? |
| 01:16.51 | wopal | karsten: xvidcap is a debian package, which does not work yet. |
| 01:17.24 | wopal | cilkay: that gives you a still shot. xvidcap captures the changing screen as video. |
| 01:17.56 | cilkay | I've never used one but I've read about them. |
| 01:18.22 | cilkay | I recall someone writing up a way to do it with VNC and something else. Sorry - it was a while ago. |
| 01:18.40 | wopal | karsten: can you make the xvidcap package work? |
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| 01:19.38 | wopal | dryrot: why r u so sure there will be a release soon? |
| 01:20.21 | avu | wopal, there is no xvidcap package in debian? |
| 01:20.46 | stew | judd: versions xvidcap |
| 01:20.47 | judd | stew: xvidcap: 1.1.4-0.0 (etch-multimedia) 1.1.7-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1.1.7-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 01:20.47 | wopal | avu: there is but it does not work and there is no maintainer for it. |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | there is not |
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| 01:21.09 | wopal | abrotman: there is, i have installed it. |
| 01:21.10 | avu | wopal, no there isn't. |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | wopal: there is no xvidcap package in debian |
| 01:21.23 | karsten | wopal: Sec.... |
| 01:21.34 | wopal | why don't you do a apt-get install xvidcap? |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | wopal: which version of debian do you have? |
| 01:21.41 | wopal | lenny |
| 01:21.43 | stew | wopal: you didn't install it from debian, you likely installed it from debian-multimedia which is an unofficial repository |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | there is no xvidcap in lenny |
| 01:21.51 | karsten | wopal: That's one of the marillat packages. That's not part of Debian proper, it's a third-party repo. |
| 01:21.55 | karsten | !tell wopal about marillat |
| 01:22.30 | karsten | wopal: Not specifically familliar with it. |
| 01:22.59 | avu | wopal, if it doesn't work, try one of the many alternatives? I like gtk-recordmydesktop. |
| 01:23.05 | avu | wopal, also, consider reporting a bug |
| 01:23.22 | abrotman | a bug on what? xvidcap isn't in debian |
| 01:23.28 | avu | so? |
| 01:23.28 | wopal | agree, it was from debian-multimedia. is there a chat group for that? |
| 01:23.39 | karsten | wopal: "aptitude search screen capture" should show similar packages. |
| 01:23.42 | karsten | wopal: See http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 01:23.43 | avu | abrotman, one can still report bugs, even if it isn't in debian :) |
| 01:23.58 | avu | in fact, the package description contains a mailto url to send bug reports to |
| 01:24.07 | karsten | wopal: You'll probably have to report to upstream directly. |
| 01:24.35 | wopal | avu: i have tried the gtk-recordmydesktop. its video is in a strange .ogv format, which can't be played back with mplayer. |
| 01:26.10 | avu | wopal, ogv is not 'strange' |
| 01:26.16 | avu | wopal, and mplayer plays it just fine |
| 01:26.59 | wopal | avu: xvidcap uses the more common mpeg format. |
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| 01:27.38 | avu | wopal, that's hardly a reason |
| 01:27.48 | avu | wopal, I don#t know any player that doesn't support ogg |
| 01:28.00 | avu | wopal, you can even upload those videos to youtube for example |
| 01:28.01 | killown | hey when I try create any partition with cfdisk it's say to define size in MB there is anyway to define size in bytes? |
| 01:28.38 | avu | wopal, but, again, if you have a problem with xvidcap, report it to the maintainer as suggested in the package's description and/or seek upstream help |
| 01:29.03 | wopal | anyway, thks for the link to debian-multimedia. i will go there for more help. bye. |
| 01:29.30 | avu | killown, kilobytes are possible |
| 01:29.45 | killown | how? |
| 01:29.48 | avu | killown, bytes, however, aren't |
| 01:30.04 | avu | killown, man cfdisk. you can add a K to the end of the number |
| 01:30.14 | killown | ok |
| 01:30.22 | miniteman | Im looking at buying a dual or quad core and am wondering whats the best version of the kernel to use at the moment a 32 or 64 |
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| 01:31.29 | qwerqwer | hi |
| 01:31.42 | qwerqwer | how do I log output and view it? |
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| 01:32.45 | fignew | what output? |
| 01:32.50 | qwerqwer | stdin |
| 01:32.53 | freebsddick | hi guys |
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| 01:33.07 | abrotman | qwerqwer: google "bash redirection" or use "script" |
| 01:33.41 | qwerqwer | I mean stdout |
| 01:33.44 | dryrot | miniteman: server or desktop |
| 01:34.13 | miniteman | dryrot: desktop |
| 01:34.36 | dryrot | miniteman: do you need lots and lots of RAM? |
| 01:35.01 | miniteman | I was thinking that as it is a dual or quad core undecided |
| 01:35.08 | miniteman | that it could use it if I had it |
| 01:35.42 | miniteman | but the reviews are suggesting no more than 4 gig at present |
| 01:35.57 | dryrot | 64 bit kernel and 64 bit hardware will allow you to use more than 6 gigs of RAM . though most people dont need that much. |
| 01:35.58 | htmlol | qwerqwer: command > output.file would send stdout to the file after the >. if you wanted to see the output as well, you could do command | tee output.file which would show stdout as well as log it |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | you can use 32bit and it's easier for desktops with all that binary crap |
| 01:36.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question, What are some decent low-resource display managers? |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | xdm ? |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about dm |
| 01:36.49 | dryrot | Blast_Hardcheese: twm . ion3 . fluxbox . openbox . |
| 01:37.07 | htmlol | those are window managers |
| 01:37.09 | miniteman | abrotman: can you explain more on that please? |
| 01:37.20 | miniteman | or where to look ..:P |
| 01:37.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | dpkg should recognize display manager(s) as an alias for dm |
| 01:37.22 | dpkg | Blast_Hardcheese: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | explain more about what? |
| 01:37.38 | freebsddick | how can I sell Oficial Debian Dvd's |
| 01:37.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | Never in a million years would I have thought "dm" |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: done |
| 01:37.46 | miniteman | the reason for using 32 instead of 64 on a dual core |
| 01:38.01 | abrotman | miniteman: binary things .. like flash/java/games etc |
| 01:38.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | thanks |
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| 01:38.37 | miniteman | ok .. yeah I have already run into problems with flash .. |
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| 01:40.42 | dsr | why does ant require all the gcj stuff when i have sun-java6-jre installed ? |
| 01:40.55 | dsr | i am on amd64 |
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| 01:47.12 | WormFood | is there a Linux tool that will mark sectors as being bad on a FAT disk, with the info from badblocks? I found mbadblocks, but it just tries to read the sectors, which does no good on a flash drive, unless it somehow reports the sectors as being bad |
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| 01:50.42 | acu | guys - I got trouble - I have installed Lenny on an AMD64 and it hangs somewhere after boot - I want to rescue and I have to netinstall cd for AMD64 but I am confused since I do not know which partition was / - is any easier rescue without the need to know too much ? |
| 01:51.00 | acu | The system runed before fine - |
| 01:51.21 | acu | so I have few files on one of home partition I want to rescue |
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| 01:56.26 | superjoe30 | I'm trying to enable the VGA port on my laptop, but I don't have an nvidia card. is this possible? |
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| 01:57.42 | abrotman | what does nvidia have to do with it? |
| 01:57.52 | acu | super: you make no sense :) |
| 01:57.55 | superjoe30 | I thought that using twinview would solve the problem |
| 01:58.03 | superjoe30 | I'm just trying to get signal to my vga port |
| 01:58.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nvidia copyrighted the VGA port. |
| 01:58.21 | superjoe30 | nonsense |
| 01:58.25 | acu | :) |
| 01:58.31 | superjoe30 | maybe vga port isn't the right term |
| 01:58.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nvidia copyrighted the cables between the mobo and the vga port in laptops |
| 01:58.43 | superjoe30 | nope, it is the right term |
| 01:58.54 | acu | do you have a nvidia vga card or not - what vga card do you have ? |
| 01:59.03 | superjoe30 | I do not have an nvidia card |
| 01:59.18 | acu | what do you use - etch or lenny ? |
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| 01:59.26 | acu | what vga card do you have ? |
| 01:59.27 | amphi | superjoe30: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:59.29 | superjoe30 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.29 | superjoe30 | ed Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
| 01:59.29 | superjoe30 | lenny |
| 02:00.00 | amphi | superjoe30: you want to enable an external monitor? use xrandr |
| 02:00.06 | cilkay | acu: Boot from a live CD and mount the filesystems on your HDD. |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | did you look in your bios? |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | or xrandr? |
| 02:00.29 | superjoe30 | xrandr, ok thanks that's what I needed to know |
| 02:01.20 | cilkay | superjoe30: My ThinkPad will cycle through the internal TFT panel, ext VGA, and both when I hit Function-F7 |
| 02:01.40 | superjoe30 | sweet, I'll try that |
| 02:01.48 | superjoe30 | ohhhh |
| 02:01.52 | superjoe30 | dur dur dur |
| 02:01.56 | superjoe30 | that's what that blue text is for |
| 02:02.49 | amphi | superjoe30: note that in section screen, subsection display of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you will need a line 'Virtual $WIDTH $HEIGHT', where width and height are those of the combined displays |
| 02:03.01 | amphi | superjoe30: unless you want to just clone the display |
| 02:03.17 | superjoe30 | amphi, ok thanks. for now I want to clone |
| 02:03.29 | amphi | superjoe30: at least, I needed to that here; same card, lenny |
| 02:04.45 | amphi | xrandr works like a charm with intel, I found |
| 02:05.01 | superjoe30 | I just goofed a presentation because I thought that port was automatically cloning output :-/ |
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| 02:05.19 | gladideg_ | uhm.. I use apt to install kvm, and it suggest that apt, apt-utils and a bunch of other apps to be removed? It tells me taht I'm about do to something potentially harmfull.. duh! |
| 02:06.05 | gladideg_ | oh, sorted out by using aptitude instead |
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| 02:32.08 | phlux | er |
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| 02:32.33 | ks1234 | uh, does reiserfs align small files to block boundaries? |
| 02:33.29 | ks1234 | i just erased a textfile, of course, I don't have a backup and so... I'm happily searching for it through the disk - with "magicrescue" |
| 02:34.34 | ks1234 | which looks for a string at the begin of each sector - now I wonder if I must decrease sector size |
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| 02:40.54 | cilkay | karsten: What does "no suitable backend found" mean when I run apt-proxy-import? That's the problem I was having last week. The on-line repos that I'm pointing are reachable. |
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| 02:41.37 | kansan | i can't remember my password |
| 02:41.40 | DrDerek | hmm, I downloaded debian 4.0 rev 4, xfce iso -- and the burn worked fine, but now it's stuck on IPI shotcut mode |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | kansan: password for what? |
| 02:42.06 | kansan | for a user account |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | use the root password to reset it |
| 02:42.28 | kansan | i think i might have changed the root password |
| 02:42.29 | kansan | ? |
| 02:42.34 | kansan | is root password for a given user? |
| 02:42.48 | kansan | doesn't each user have a root password ? (assuming they have sudo access)/ |
| 02:42.58 | cilkay | kansan: Reboot in single-user mode. Assuming you haven't set a password for grub, you'll get a root shell without any password. You can then set the root password and any other. |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | !tell kansan about ifrp |
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| 02:48.25 | jon_ | each useer has their own password, they can all be different |
| 02:49.03 | jon_ | root is just another user, that the system grants full permissions to |
| 02:49.11 | kansan | ok |
| 02:49.12 | kansan | can someone help me get my firewall working? i'm trying to enable remote access for mysql. right now when i try to telnet to the port that i know mysql is running on, i get: (telnet 123.823.x.x 3306 => telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused) here is my iptables: http://pastie.org/286449 |
| 02:49.19 | kansan | so there is only one root password for all users? |
| 02:49.28 | ks1234 | there is only one root user |
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| 02:50.06 | jon_ | in some ways root is just the name of a user |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | that is all it is |
| 02:50.43 | cilkay | kansan: Why do you need to enable remote access to MySQL? |
| 02:50.48 | jon_ | so there can be a password for the user named root, another for the user named fred, etc |
| 02:50.56 | kansan | cilkay, so i can do better development |
| 02:51.01 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:51.13 | cilkay | kansan: That didn't answer the question. |
| 02:51.20 | Guerin | equivalent of saying `because that's how the kittens like to swim!' |
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| 02:51.29 | cilkay | kansan: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | he wants to access mysql remotely .. |
| 02:51.40 | Guerin | cilkay: better development, of course |
| 02:51.48 | aliases123_ | apt-get install phpmyadmin - if you want a php front end. |
| 02:51.54 | jon_ | butter development?! |
| 02:52.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:52.04 | cilkay | churn, churn, churn |
| 02:52.05 | kansan | Guerin, thats hilarious |
| 02:52.07 | kansan | hehe |
| 02:52.15 | ks1234 | hates irssi |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 02:52.32 | cilkay | kansan: Use ssh port forwarding. Much better than poking holes in your firewall to expose MySQL to the outside world. |
| 02:52.32 | Guerin | if it's b3ttat de\/el0pmint you're aftrer, I think I might have something in my spamtrap for you |
| 02:52.47 | kansan | cilkay, ok cool i'm out for now |
| 02:52.49 | kansan | i'll look into that |
| 02:52.51 | kansan | thanks everyone! |
| 02:53.12 | ks1234 | I shut down X, so I could umount /home |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | maybe he should configure mysql to accept connections from something other than localhost |
| 02:53.25 | ks1234 | or remount it ro |
| 02:53.27 | Guerin | abrotman: a revolutionary idea |
| 02:53.40 | Guerin | abrotman: if only mysql were designed for that purpose! |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | if only mysql were designed |
| 02:53.54 | cilkay | abrotman: Actually, I never do. Sockets are faster and more secure than TCP/IP connections. |
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| 02:54.01 | jon_ | I think it's not revolutionary... but it could be rotationary... |
| 02:54.07 | Guerin | it'd almost be like it was a database server or something |
| 02:54.08 | aliases123_ | hi how does one check / show what is installed and where it came from. so like --foo server and non-free |
| 02:54.21 | cilkay | hates MySQL but has to live with it |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | cilkay: actually .. mysql is far inferior to pgsql |
| 02:54.38 | jmalicki | abrotman: eh, depends |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | no |
| 02:54.44 | cilkay | abrotman: I know. We use PG for most of our development. |
| 02:54.45 | jmalicki | abrotman: pgsql does have a steeper learning curve |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 02:54.56 | jmalicki | yes it does |
| 02:54.57 | cilkay | That's nonsense jmalicki. |
| 02:54.58 | jon_ | why? |
| 02:55.01 | pgpkeys | errr? a *steeper*? |
| 02:55.02 | Guerin | does too |
| 02:55.03 | Guerin | does not |
| 02:55.04 | jon_ | it's the same :) |
| 02:55.05 | jmalicki | the cost based optimizer throws you curveballs sometimes |
| 02:55.06 | Guerin | etc. |
| 02:55.06 | pgpkeys | that's total horseshit |
| 02:55.12 | Guerin | can we have some substantiation, please? |
| 02:55.13 | jmalicki | it takes awhile to really deeply understand |
| 02:55.19 | cilkay | BS |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | for what most people use mysql for .. pgsql is just as easy |
| 02:55.29 | Guerin | jmalicki: ... whereas with mysql, there's nothing to deeply understand |
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| 02:55.46 | jmalicki | abrotman: well, pgsql will occasionally just do a random full table scan on a query that takes 0.01s 99% of the time |
| 02:55.48 | jmalicki | guerin: sure |
| 02:56.05 | jmalicki | guerin: but if you're not going to bother to understand it either way, you're probably better off with mysql |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | occasionally .. 99% .. random .. got it |
| 02:56.26 | jmalicki | abrotman: that can kill you in a production system |
| 02:56.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:56.40 | cilkay | Guerin: Not true. You still have to figure out why the retarded "query optimizer" in MySQL decides to do table scans on "select someKeyColumn from myTable where pk=1" |
| 02:56.57 | Guerin | cilkay: you should have said that to jmalicki |
| 02:56.57 | cilkay | That's always fun on 100 million row tables. |
| 02:57.00 | jmalicki | cilkay: hmm ok... maybe mysql is harder as well |
| 02:57.10 | Guerin | i predict a great rupture in the force when one of you is forced to recant |
| 02:57.22 | jmalicki | cilkay: i guess i just have more experience with pgsql to see people complaining about it |
| 02:57.38 | abrotman | jmalicki: i've been using it since 6.x |
| 02:57.38 | cilkay | That's because they're blub programmers. |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | i learned pgsql before mysql |
| 02:59.42 | jmalicki | how long has mysql had a cost-based optimizer? i thought i remembered it having a rule-based optimizer? |
| 02:59.51 | jon_ | jmalicki: psql is closer in behavior to most standardized database engines, in mysql you get different features depending on how you choose the database to be stored (for one part, presence/lack of transactions) whereas postgres acts the same and keeps you independent of how it stores the data |
| 03:00.09 | jmalicki | jon_: well, the big problem is that cost-based optimizers take awhile to learn |
| 03:00.15 | jmalicki | you're better off for big problems |
| 03:00.27 | jmalicki | but for a lot of webapps with inexperienced devs they're more trouble than they're worth |
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| 03:01.48 | jon_ | plus, psql has fairly standard mechanisms and support for allowing the programmer to define the ways the database is and is not allowed to change, which is a feature that keeps the data stable |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | i just use it because the mascot is an elephant! |
| 03:02.37 | cilkay | I use it for the tricky name. |
| 03:02.44 | jmalicki | as long as you take the time to understand the cost-based optimizer and MVCC postgresql is great |
| 03:02.45 | cilkay | PostrgreSQL |
| 03:02.49 | cilkay | Is that one S or two? |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | one |
| 03:02.55 | jmalicki | but it's like learning to use a manual transmission |
| 03:02.58 | cilkay | I know :) |
| 03:03.06 | jmalicki | it's a much better experience... but some people will never bother |
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| 03:03.11 | jmalicki | and probably shoudln't |
| 03:03.45 | jon_ | I've never learned about the optimizer and I've been fine for years |
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| 03:04.03 | jmalicki | i'm actually pretty shocked you've never been burned by it |
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| 03:04.39 | abrotman | depends how much data you are working with |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | and/or complexity |
| 03:04.50 | jmalicki | true |
| 03:04.53 | dondelelcaro | and whether you've designed the database correclty to start with |
| 03:05.03 | cilkay | I use clay tablets. |
| 03:05.10 | cilkay | ... in RAID 0 configuration. |
| 03:05.12 | mardi | hi all, i'm trying to fix a boot delay problem, here is the relevant section of dmesg: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3f8fa5e2 any suggestions? |
| 03:05.16 | jon_ | I take two daily! |
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| 03:05.28 | jmalicki | dondelelcaro: postgres can still do dumb things when there exist good query plans |
| 03:05.29 | cilkay | I blow them out of the sky, clays, that is. |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | mardi: which part actually delays ? |
| 03:05.37 | jmalicki | though it's improved dramatically in the past 2 years |
| 03:05.43 | jon_ | it's for my high blood color! |
| 03:06.07 | cilkay | jmalicki: It's amazing how you almost sound like you know what you're talking about. |
| 03:06.10 | dondelelcaro | jmalicki: it's pretty rare |
| 03:06.11 | jmalicki | hah |
| 03:06.26 | mardi | abrotman: i'm not really sure... any idea how i can find out? |
| 03:06.27 | jmalicki | dondelelcaro: depends on how much data you have and the complexity, as abrotman said |
| 03:06.52 | cilkay | leaves the "BS baffles brains" session |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | mardi: what output comes after the delay? |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | or right before it |
| 03:07.35 | mardi | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3f8fa5e2 shows the dmesg area where it hangs |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | area .. |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | i looked at it already |
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| 03:08.00 | Pavlz | hello |
| 03:08.33 | Pavlz | i would download from http or ftp the distribution, but there are so many |
| 03:08.36 | jmalicki | mardi: it's almost certainly your softmodem driver |
| 03:08.39 | mardi | abrotman: 15.667523] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:14.5[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 is before and 46.252214] Adding 498004k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:498004k is after |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | yes ..i read that |
| 03:08.47 | jmalicki | mardi: try commenting that out in /etc/modules? |
| 03:08.53 | Pavlz | that i don't know which one is better |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | http |
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| 03:09.01 | abrotman | in most cases |
| 03:09.02 | jmalicki | and then figure it out from there |
| 03:09.10 | jmalicki | verify that the delay goes away |
| 03:09.25 | jmalicki | and then you can figure out why it's hanging once you've confirmed it's related to that module |
| 03:09.41 | mardi | jmalicki: ok, i'll give that a go |
| 03:10.32 | abrotman | might also be the wifi depending on the driver used |
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| 03:11.22 | pululus | hi people!!! |
| 03:11.57 | Supaplex | how do I load an iso of my choice to a U3 usb stick? (so it'll be the operating cdrom media/image) |
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| 03:15.10 | Arsenios | Can anyone tell me why when ever I restart my alsa doesn't work. Though if I log in as root and run alsaconf it will work again? |
| 03:15.14 | Ward1983 | will debian act retarded with my rtl8187 wifi chip? |
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| 03:15.34 | Arsenios | sorry... I should make that a lil clearer... whenever I restart my laptop alsa doesn't work.. untill I run alsaconf again. |
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| 03:15.41 | Ward1983 | ubuntu acts retarded with it for some reason, while it worked first |
| 03:15.49 | Supaplex | Ward1983: but will it act retarted with a lackluster chipset? |
| 03:16.13 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, just want to know if it supports this device... |
| 03:16.20 | Supaplex | !hcl |
| 03:16.20 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 03:16.40 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, its in many mainboards and usb wifi sticks |
| 03:16.50 | Supaplex | if any other linux distro supports it (esp out of the box), it's likely you can get it working with debian. |
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| 03:17.42 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, it used to work in every distro, also in my ubuntu installation, but now all of a sudden it doesnt anymore after a fresh install, i just would like to know if debian suffers from the same bug as ubuntu or if its ubuntu-specific |
| 03:17.44 | Supaplex | well, realtek has some craptacular chipsets. it's hit or miss. 8139 pre C were junk 8139C+ were okay, considering the normal cost. (okay for most desktops) |
| 03:17.47 | Ward1983 | im hoping for tha last |
| 03:18.03 | Supaplex | !wireless |
| 03:18.03 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 03:18.36 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, thanx |
| 03:18.38 | Supaplex | everything known to man isn't installed as base. ask dpkg about rtl-wifi next. |
| 03:18.58 | Ward1983 | !rtl-wifi |
| 03:18.58 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 (not RTL8187B) chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25. Older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. See also <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>. |
| 03:19.39 | Ward1983 | i have 2.6.24-16-generic and it doesnt work :p |
| 03:19.40 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 03:19.52 | Ward1983 | well i might aswell try if debian works then |
| 03:19.54 | Supaplex | did you read the last few words there? |
| 03:20.07 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, where? |
| 03:20.11 | Supaplex | See also <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>. |
| 03:20.39 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, im confused, can i ask the bot about that :s |
| 03:20.48 | cilkay | The problem I'm having with apt-proxy-import is well-known http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319005 It just annoys me that I wasted time fiddling with apt-proxy, twice. |
| 03:20.58 | Ward1983 | !rtl-wifi 2.6.24 |
| 03:20.59 | dpkg | There is currently no rtl-wifi subversion revision which successfully compiles on 2.6.24 (at least WRT i386). See <https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1935188&forum_id=652149>. An unofficial revision (rtl818x-mod2.6.24) enables compilation on 2.6.24 kernels, at the expense of RTL8185 support. Acquire the driver via the wireless-2.6 GIT tree instead, ask me about <wireless tree>. |
| 03:21.00 | Supaplex | Ward1983: yeah. /query dpkg <anything> |
| 03:21.00 | cilkay | It was broken three years ago. It's broken the same way now. |
| 03:21.17 | Pavlz | which debian can i download ? i saw that there is Debian sid, etch, sarge |
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| 03:21.27 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, damn :( |
| 03:21.31 | Supaplex | Pavlz: etch. (stable) |
| 03:21.38 | Supaplex | !tell Pavlz -about netinst |
| 03:21.46 | Ward1983 | ´improvement´ they call that :s |
| 03:21.49 | Ward1983 | it USED TO work |
| 03:21.50 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 03:22.03 | Ward1983 | is there any way to get a old kernel? |
| 03:22.14 | Ward1983 | 2.6.23.x |
| 03:22.27 | Supaplex | !tell Ward1983 -about kp |
| 03:22.32 | Supaplex | Ward1983: yeah, ftp.kernel.org |
| 03:22.36 | Pavlz | with netinst i got X ? |
| 03:22.44 | Pavlz | or only shell ? |
| 03:22.45 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone got an estimation on when they think lenny will come out? |
| 03:22.45 | abrotman | if you install it afterwards |
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| 03:22.53 | abrotman | !tell GhostlyDeath about wwlr |
| 03:22.58 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, lol im not a total n00b but i never had to install a older kernel, only newer ones |
| 03:23.09 | Supaplex | Pavlz: you can install whatever you need. just choose the right option durring install, or apt-get it after. |
| 03:23.32 | ceil420 | how do i get mplayer to play movies fullscreen ('f' keeps the movie at default res but fills the rest of the screen with black)? |
| 03:23.38 | Supaplex | granted. :) the non-free world makes our life "interesting" at times. |
| 03:23.51 | Pavlz | if i would to buy ? |
| 03:24.11 | pululus | sorry, for what? apt-get it after? |
| 03:24.13 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, im really confused by the line dpkg gave me |
| 03:24.34 | Supaplex | !tell Pavlz -about installit |
| 03:24.36 | Ward1983 | theres nothing in there, no version, nothing |
| 03:24.44 | Ward1983 | and what does ncurses have to do with a kernel :s |
| 03:24.54 | Supaplex | Ward1983: make menuconfig requires it. |
| 03:25.08 | Pavlz | which kernel you got ? |
| 03:25.08 | amphi | ceil420: -vo xv |
| 03:25.29 | amphi | ceil420: or, if you must use -vo x11, do -zoom also |
| 03:25.36 | gladideg_ | I just installed kvm on a clean debian install. But get various issues when trying to enable the kvm modules: WARNING: Error inserting kvm |
| 03:25.48 | Ward1983 | 2.6.25-16 and -19 but i need 2.6.23.x |
| 03:25.50 | gladideg_ | Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter ... etc |
| 03:25.53 | ceil420 | amphi, cheers |
| 03:25.56 | Pavlz | i got 2.6.15-52-386 |
| 03:26.06 | ceil420 | dunno why it doesn't work now :x i usta just be able to hit 'f' |
| 03:26.12 | ceil420 | but i'm going to bed, i'll figure it out tomorrow |
| 03:26.40 | Ward1983 | apperantly some ´improvement´ rendered my wifi NIC totally useless |
| 03:26.40 | amphi | ceil420: you can spare yourself typing that by doing "echo vo=xv >> ~/.mplayer/config" |
| 03:26.55 | Pavlz | good night ceil420 |
| 03:27.25 | ceil420 | thanks again, and peace2u |
| 03:27.46 | aliases123_ | hi ah i'm trying to work out why man on debian etch install shows green and red highlighint whilst it doesn't on mine. |
| 03:28.04 | Pavlz | what is the difference between unofficial and official ? |
| 03:28.12 | aliases123_ | i have checked /etc/bash.bashrc ... and ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile can't find anything of note. |
| 03:28.30 | cilkay | Pavlz: "un" |
| 03:28.34 | cilkay | :) |
| 03:28.44 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: wow 5.0 |
| 03:28.55 | GhostlyDeath | Imagine a Debian 9.0! |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | Ward1983: which version of debian are you on ? |
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| 03:29.25 | GhostlyDeath | would be like AOL... Debian 3.0, Debian 3.1, Debian 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, etc. |
| 03:29.55 | Pavlz | is better a official etch or an unofficial etch ? |
| 03:29.59 | Ward1983 | abrotman, none, i came here trying to find out if debian would support my wifi NIC, but it seems to be a kernel issue, all 2.6.24+ doesnt work :( |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | Ward1983: so ask your distro channel how to compile a kernel .. not us |
| 03:30.19 | Ward1983 | abrotman, however i have had a few debian installations in the past |
| 03:30.27 | Ward1983 | abrotman, did i ask that? |
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| 03:30.32 | dmoerner | Pavlz: what do you mean? |
| 03:30.50 | Pavlz | which of 2 ones is better |
| 03:31.16 | Ward1983 | abrotman, im trying to find out if theres a way IN DEBIAN to get a older kernel |
| 03:31.16 | dmoerner | Pavlz: what is "unofficial etch"? |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | Ward1983: which version of debian? |
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| 03:32.51 | ks1234 | uname -a |
| 03:32.54 | ks1234 | argh |
| 03:32.56 | ks1234 | sry |
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| 03:33.11 | Ward1983 | abrotman, doesnt mather much i just need a working linux that works with my wificard to test something out |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | Ward1983: it does matter .. |
| 03:33.18 | Ward1983 | abrotman, can be sid, doesnt matther |
| 03:33.27 | Ward1983 | abrotman, it doesnt matter for my purpose |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | Ward1983: it matters because etch has a .18 and .24 |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | forget it ... have fun |
| 03:33.58 | Ward1983 | abrotman, well then just the one that is most easy i guess |
| 03:35.01 | Ward1983 | ok thanx for the help i guess, sorry that i dont have a preferation for a version |
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| 03:35.03 | Ward1983 | i gues |
| 03:35.23 | ks1234 | etch has 2.6.18 if that does it for you, you should be ok |
| 03:35.55 | Ward1983 | ks1234, aaaaah ok thanx even better |
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| 03:36.21 | Ward1983 | ks1234, then etch out of the box will work fine as long as i keep the old kernel :D thanx for the help |
| 03:38.19 | GhostlyDeath | Ward1983: FREEZE the packages |
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| 03:38.30 | GhostlyDeath | so they can't be updated |
| 03:38.54 | ks1234 | or never update :-P |
| 03:39.14 | Ward1983 | lol i was planning on never update |
| 03:39.25 | shivraj | I gotta setup a box with etch .. I am gonna run Lenny and Etch |
| 03:39.29 | Ward1983 | that would be just as well as freezing i hope? |
| 03:39.30 | ks1234 | did I mention I'm a psychic? |
| 03:39.34 | shivraj | until all of those packages get into lenny |
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| 04:05.30 | rush1 | Hello. Where can I get tutorial about installing debian using usb stick? |
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| 04:05.50 | JyZyXEL | from google |
| 04:06.25 | dan-ny | yep google |
| 04:06.41 | Supaplex | it might be in the wiki, or in the download section when you pick usb/harddisk as the install method. |
| 04:07.03 | dan-ny | omg 140GB backup over USB2.0 =( |
| 04:07.16 | Supaplex | dan-ny: it beats usb1.1! |
| 04:07.48 | JyZyXEL | firewire beats both! |
| 04:07.49 | dan-ny | of course... but here is a nice firewire port... but i haven't a firewire-hdd ;( |
| 04:08.05 | dan-ny | eSATA beats everything :D |
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| 04:08.39 | JyZyXEL | nuh uh |
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| 04:09.24 | dan-ny | little question... how i can change my host like debhelper? =) |
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| 04:10.57 | rush1 | yes, I found |
| 04:11.01 | rush1 | thanx |
| 04:11.12 | Guerin | dan-ny: your questions sense makes no |
| 04:11.45 | dan-ny | oO |
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| 04:12.21 | dan-ny | the host from debhelper is -> userhost n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper |
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| 04:13.00 | Guerin | dan-ny: and you want an @something/somethingelse hostmask? See freenode.net |
| 04:13.05 | Arsenios | Should I have a /etc/asound.state on my system.... Or is that old and not used nemore? |
| 04:13.09 | dan-ny | okay thx |
| 04:14.42 | jon_ | I'm running etch and I don't have a /etc/aso* |
| 04:14.54 | jon_ | sound is working fine also |
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| 04:17.43 | nixrous | What time Debian Lenny stable release ? |
| 04:18.00 | dmoerner | !wwlr |
| 04:18.01 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 04:19.57 | phuzion | How can I extract split rars with unrar-free? |
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| 04:22.26 | dmoerner | !siyh |
| 04:22.26 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
| 04:22.32 | dmoerner | there...now it's more up to date |
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| 04:28.23 | Ward1983 | to get etch what sohuld i download? |
| 04:28.30 | Supaplex | netinst |
| 04:28.42 | Ward1983 | yes but there seem to be 2 |
| 04:29.07 | Supaplex | where? |
| 04:29.14 | Ward1983 | one is ´ |
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| 04:29.19 | Ward1983 | ´etchnhalf´ :s |
| 04:29.28 | Ward1983 | on the official debian website |
| 04:29.29 | Supaplex | !etchnhalf |
| 04:29.29 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 04:29.39 | bullgard4 | How does the 'Kernel Janitor List' differ from the 'Linux Kernel Mailing List'? |
| 04:29.58 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, aha, so i want the other one if i need a older kernel then 2.6.24? |
| 04:30.27 | Supaplex | Ward1983: etch alone will be older. the latter is for newer than etch hardware. |
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| 04:31.10 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, ah ok then im gonan go for the old one :) thanx |
| 04:31.23 | dmoerner | bullgard4: the kernel janitor list is meant to be an opportunity for rookie coders to be assigned simple tasks to help clean up the kernel and improve their coding, whereas the lkml is the main, high-volume linux list. |
| 04:31.30 | dmoerner | at least that was the old division |
| 04:32.09 | Supaplex | or in the wise words of a bot in #utah, 14:57 < brac> Me no internet, only janitor, me just wax floors. |
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| 04:42.47 | JW | Is there anyway to tell where a Debian package came from? I thought I got it from backports.org but it's not there. I might have taken it from unstable but I'd like to confirm that and don't know how. |
| 04:45.43 | dondelelcaro | JW: not really; apt-cache policy foopkg; can tell you sort of what's going on. |
| 04:45.56 | dondelelcaro | JW: alternatively, you can look at the apt (or aptitude) logs |
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| 04:46.34 | JW | I don't think it will be in the logs, I installed it by hand with dpkg -i |
| 04:46.41 | LeoDing | how to change brightness in gnome-terminal ???which command ??\ |
| 04:46.52 | dondelelcaro | JW: well, then there's no way to know where it came from. |
| 04:47.11 | JW | I'm starting to think I compiled it from unstable source |
| 04:47.35 | JW | which has been a painful experience.in the past. |
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| 04:48.57 | dmoerner | LeoDing: try /proc/acpi/video/VID/LCD0/brightness, if it's supported |
| 04:50.59 | JW | Where does one find the source .deb for an unstable package? |
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| 04:53.08 | ALoGeNo | hey hello.. |
| 04:53.21 | tsocks | helou :D |
| 04:53.27 | dmoerner | JW: just add a deb-src line for unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get source package. the actual source is in ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/abc/abc_1.2.orig.tar.gz with the .diff.gz |
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| 04:53.47 | ALoGeNo | why maybe the problem with lsdev, can't open /proc/dma |
| 04:54.03 | Calath0s | so how much does debian cost? |
| 04:54.15 | JW | dmoerner: yeah, doing that now. |
| 04:54.18 | ALoGeNo | debian is for free :) |
| 04:54.22 | JW | Calath0s: $0.00 |
| 04:54.53 | Calath0s | free? but my mate sold me debian for 200 |
| 04:55.05 | dmoerner | Calath0s: it's free. |
| 04:55.08 | Calath0s | potato edition |
| 04:55.16 | JW | Calath0s: what a joke |
| 04:55.27 | dmoerner | to see the equivalent cost to develop debian in a corporate environment, see http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2771/c20080123_cost-deb-bar.jpg |
| 04:55.49 | Calath0s | hang on, his room is down the hall. I will fix this |
| 04:56.59 | Calath0s | he's passed out, probably spent it on pot. Well, i can install it on my Windows laptop... It's good, right? |
| 04:57.15 | JW | potato is quite out of date |
| 04:57.16 | dmoerner | potato is quite out of date |
| 04:57.18 | dmoerner | wow |
| 04:57.24 | JW | lol. heh |
| 04:57.26 | dmoerner | same diction and syntax. figure that. |
| 04:57.42 | Guerin | Calath0s: you'rte the sucker who was born that minute. |
| 04:57.42 | JW | yeah well, you know what they say about narrow minds . . . |
| 04:57.50 | Calath0s | oh crap. |
| 04:57.56 | dmoerner | !cost of debian |
| 04:57.56 | dpkg | cost of debian is probably free as in beer, or gratis. To see the estimated cost of developing Debian through a proprietary model, see http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2771/c20080123_cost-deb-bar.jpg |
| 04:58.08 | dmoerner | you inspired a new factoid |
| 04:58.19 | Guerin | Calath0s: find a creative and crafty way to get your own back. It's the debian way. |
| 04:58.39 | Calath0s | it is ok, I am sleeping with his girlfriend. |
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| 04:59.10 | Calath0s | as soon as he gets one. |
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| 04:59.28 | Guerin | Calath0s: just make sure he catches you in some really embarrasing way. |
| 04:59.45 | Calath0s | count on it. |
| 05:00.02 | Calath0s | probably post it to redtube |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | and make sure you inform #debian |
| 05:01.17 | Calath0s | will do. I just figured about how much I'd paid for XP and... Iwasstupid. |
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| 05:02.01 | ALoGeNo | someone can help me qith /proc/dma? |
| 05:02.04 | Calath0s | can I mess with his bong? is that ok? |
| 05:02.05 | ALoGeNo | with* |
| 05:02.10 | Guerin | Calath0s: well ... he gave you an OS which is about as old as XP, and much more outdated |
| 05:02.26 | Guerin | Calath0s: you could piss in it |
| 05:02.32 | Guerin | but that would only be a partial victory |
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| 05:02.59 | Calath0s | i can acept partialvictories, that wasmy beer fund. |
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| 05:03.59 | Calath0s | it's going to be a long month |
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| 05:04.42 | Calath0s | I will overcome, though |
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| 05:05.03 | Calath0s | break his bong over his alienpc |
| 05:05.08 | |niko| | I had my Debian / partition wiped and reinstalled, but I had my home directory on a separate partition which had LVM2 logical volume on it |
| 05:05.10 | Calath0s | or something |
| 05:05.28 | |niko| | I have since reinstalled Debian onto / and am trying to remount my old /home directory on that LVM2 logical volume |
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| 05:05.32 | Calath0s | so I really should get a later debian? |
| 05:05.47 | Calath0s | like gutsy or something? |
| 05:05.52 | |niko| | If I mount it directly, it becomes an empty partition with lost+found directory and nothing else. |
| 05:05.52 | Guerin | Calath0s: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 05:06.03 | |niko| | Calath0s: gutsy is Ubuntu |
| 05:06.11 | Guerin | Calath0s: gutsy is ubuntu, not debian. Someone miught have to pay YOU to use it. |
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| 05:06.51 | Calath0s | so I want etch.OK. thanks guerin |
| 05:07.03 | |niko| | Do I need to recreate my old LVM2 partition as a physical volume in this new Debian installation? |
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| 05:07.14 | |niko| | How can I access the logical volume otherwise? |
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| 05:08.15 | JordiGH | I've got a source package that is trying to link -lg2c. It looks like this is in the libg2c0-dev package, a Fortran 77 package which I guess has been obsoleted by newer Fortrans in Debian. Any idea what I should link against instead? |
| 05:08.31 | JordiGH | (Er, I shouldn't say source package, just some source.) |
| 05:09.14 | JordiGH | http://wiki.debian.org/GfortranTransition <-- I guess this is what I should be reading, never mind. |
| 05:10.36 | jon_ | if it turns out that the newer fortran stuff won't link and the resulting app doesn't work, you could always build your own copy of the old fortran compiler and libs |
| 05:10.54 | JordiGH | Ugh, I hope not. |
| 05:11.02 | JordiGH | Looks like I just have to link -lgfortran instead. |
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| 05:12.58 | Ward1983 | for debian in vmware workstation 6.5 what is the best choise? other 32bit linux or ubuntu? |
| 05:13.00 | jon_ | does that make it link properly? |
| 05:13.35 | jon_ | Ward1983: whatever satisifies your requirements |
| 05:13.57 | JordiGH | Ack, no, that won't do, won't link. |
| 05:13.59 | Ward1983 | jon_, i have no idea what would be best thats why i ask |
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| 05:14.03 | JordiGH | hhmmmmsss... |
| 05:14.20 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, so just other 32bit linux then |
| 05:14.27 | jon_ | Ward1983: so are you saying you don't have particular requirements? |
| 05:14.37 | Ward1983 | jon_, the system should work? |
| 05:14.38 | JordiGH | Ward1983: Huh? |
| 05:14.39 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 05:15.03 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, sorry never mind i thought that was for me |
| 05:15.14 | jon_ | we could minimally define that as "system boots and presents a login prompt" |
| 05:15.40 | jon_ | Ward1983, care to use that definition of "works"? |
| 05:15.49 | Ward1983 | jon_, i need pretty regular desktop install with a window manager, etc |
| 05:15.58 | JordiGH | Ward1983: Why are you asking us, #debian, to recommend Ubuntu? :-) |
| 05:16.04 | JordiGH | Ward1983: Install Debian. |
| 05:16.05 | JordiGH | !next |
| 05:16.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 05:16.09 | jon_ | oh, so it turns out you do have specific requirements |
| 05:16.11 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, eurm, I DONT |
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| 05:16.29 | Ward1983 | jon_, no not really |
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| 05:16.48 | Ward1983 | jon_, i just wanted to ask what was the best choice, but if its this complicated im gonna go for other 32bit linux |
| 05:16.56 | JordiGH | !best |
| 05:16.56 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:16.59 | Ward1983 | i didnt see debian in the list thats why i wanted to make sure what to choose |
| 05:17.06 | Ward1983 | ill just trial and error then no problem |
| 05:17.24 | JordiGH | Debian is the best. And if you think it's not, then submit bug reports. |
| 05:17.24 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, allready did that |
| 05:17.26 | jon_ | so then our definition of "works" should be satisfactory, additionally holding a full set of compiler tools so you can build anything you want |
| 05:17.44 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, other linux, you are specifying what OS you are using in vmware correct? |
| 05:17.58 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, not even sure if it matters. |
| 05:18.05 | geek | i'm thinking of running a java based bot for a IRC server i'm running. there seem to be two jre versions for lenny - default jre and default jre headless. can someone tell me what's the difference? i will not be needing a gui |
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| 05:18.14 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, if you create a virtual machine with vmware it asks what OS you ar e planning oninstalling, you can choose for a variety of linux destros but not debian, so i want to know what would be the best choise |
| 05:18.16 | Ward1983 | coice |
| 05:18.28 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, correct sorry i thought that was clear |
| 05:18.40 | JordiGH | Ward1983: Not Debian? Then what does that have to do with us? |
| 05:18.42 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, just use other 32 bit linux |
| 05:18.51 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, he is installing debian in vmware |
| 05:18.53 | geek | Ward1983: the 'settings' are recommended defaults. you can go for ubuntu (which is close enough) or custom. other than ram suggestions, it dosen't matter much |
| 05:19.00 | Ward1983 | JordiGH, just pleqse ignore me |
| 05:19.06 | Lagbolt | it asks what OS you are installing and debian is not a choice :) so he wants to know what to select |
| 05:19.15 | jon_ | see, I'm not about to recommend anything in particular to you, especially not debian because if I make such a recommendation you could take that as permission to blame whoever would recommend to you anything bad that happens after installing |
| 05:19.24 | jon_ | so, YOU choose. |
| 05:19.25 | dmoerner | geek: headless is for "packages not needing a graphical display during runtime" |
| 05:19.27 | geek | usually sets up a custom other linux with at least 64 mb of ram |
| 05:19.30 | Lagbolt | lol wow |
| 05:19.33 | geek | dmoerner: perfect |
| 05:19.35 | geek | thanks |
| 05:19.44 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, it is clear :) |
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| 05:20.07 | Ward1983 | jesus lol |
| 05:20.16 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, i think you are the only one that read what i typed :D |
| 05:20.19 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, thanx |
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| 05:20.33 | jon_ | Ward1983: so make a choice and commit to learning what you end up with |
| 05:20.39 | geek | Ward1983: as did i >< |
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| 05:21.00 | Ward1983 | geek, ah yeah thanx sorry i looked over it :) |
| 05:21.33 | geek | Ward1983: oh, and both lenny and etch run quite flawlessly in VMware ;p |
| 05:22.08 | pbn | Lagbolt: hello |
| 05:22.10 | jon_ | Ward1983, I also read what you typed, and I still refuse to give you any specific recommendation... pick something |
| 05:22.21 | Ward1983 | geek, nice, i really like vmware for testing environments (gona try to loadbalance between its connection to the host and a wificonnection over my internal USB wifi NIC) |
| 05:22.42 | Ward1983 | jon_, i allready chose i want to isntall debian lol |
| 05:22.48 | geek | internal USB? o0 |
| 05:22.55 | Ward1983 | geek, yes :) |
| 05:23.20 | Ward1983 | geek, its pretty common, its onboard but its hooked up to USB (internally) |
| 05:23.21 | jon_ | cool, good, and you're also committing to learning how to run it? |
| 05:23.26 | geek | can't entirely wrap his head around the concept except as a hack ;p |
| 05:23.44 | Ward1983 | geek, but the cool thing is because it works as a regular USB wifi key you can pass it on as any USB device :) |
| 05:24.03 | geek | Ward1983: which is VERY useful with VMware ;p |
| 05:24.35 | pbn | Lagbolt: in VMware, you can select other linux or ubuntu it doesn't matter |
| 05:24.36 | Ward1983 | yes its pretty conveniant |
| 05:24.48 | pbn | Lagbolt: also installing the VMware tools will work |
| 05:24.49 | Ward1983 | pbn, ah thanx, that was my question :) |
| 05:25.08 | pbn | Lagbolt: I run Debian GNU/Linux daily at work so we know that :) |
| 05:25.53 | pbn | It's just *too bad* VMware doesn't support Debian GNU/Linux as guest OS...I already talked about that to the VMware sales guy... |
| 05:26.11 | Lagbolt | pbn i wasnt asking :) was suggesting. personally i use virtualbox :) |
| 05:26.20 | geek | pbn: most of the ones they support officially seem to be the big commercially supported distros |
| 05:26.31 | pbn | the statement is that "VMware does not support and does not plan to support Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 05:26.39 | pbn | although they suppurt Ubuntu... *cough* |
| 05:26.48 | pbn | Lagbolt: ah ok, well... use what you want :) |
| 05:27.00 | pbn | actually these settings in VMware do not change things |
| 05:27.29 | pbn | they're just there so that when you install VMware tools you install them for the right OS |
| 05:27.32 | Ward1983 | pbn, yeah i was thinking that too, but since ubuntu is so close i tohught it could possibly be a better choice |
| 05:27.33 | pbn | for instance the VMware tools for windows won't run on Linux :) |
| 05:27.49 | Ward1983 | aaaaaaaah looooool |
| 05:27.55 | Ward1983 | is that the only reason? |
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| 05:28.05 | Ward1983 | nice to know :) |
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| 05:28.16 | Ward1983 | will never have to worry about it again then lol |
| 05:28.17 | geek | pbn: i *think* that the mouse and display drivers for vmware are in the debian repos |
| 05:28.32 | pbn | Ward1983: well Ubuntu is close, the VMware tools install perfectly... but... well with VMware Infrastructure at work we can't customize Debian templates.... while we can customize RHEL, WBEL and CentOS templates... |
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| 05:28.52 | pbn | geek: probably. Well, I heard that the vmwaretools have been "opensourced" |
| 05:29.03 | geek | pbn: which makes sense IMO |
| 05:29.19 | pbn | geek: so this means there's gonna be an opensource version of the vmware tools, so it's gonna be a Debian package |
| 05:29.43 | Ward1983 | the installer works quite nicely |
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| 05:29.52 | Ward1983 | of vmware tools |
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| 05:30.19 | Ward1983 | a deb would be better offcourse but at least the installer allready works nice :p |
| 05:32.42 | dondelelcaro | pbn: there already is, and it's already packaged. |
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| 05:33.20 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, is it in etch? |
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| 05:37.48 | EmleyMoor | Should, with the plugin installed in the ia32 chroot, sun java work through iceweasel also from the chroot, on lenny/amd64? |
| 05:38.03 | EmleyMoor | I am finding it difficult to get it to do much |
| 05:38.42 | JordiGH | Hrm, memcpy... that looks like a C function. |
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| 05:41.06 | jon_ | Ward1983: you should check out packages.debian.org |
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| 05:42.08 | EmleyMoor | Ah, the problem is no proc filesystem in the chroot - what's the correct way to fix that? |
| 05:42.22 | EmleyMoor | df |
| 05:42.24 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
| 05:42.33 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: no, but you could easily backport it. |
| 05:42.40 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: just mount it in the chroot |
| 05:42.48 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: schroot deals with this all for you, too. |
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| 05:42.52 | cilkay | I can get a list of all the packages installed on my system by doing "dpkg --get-selections > packages". How can I pass that file "packages" to apt-get so that I can download them? I want to prime a cache. |
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| 05:43.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell cilkay -about aptitude clone |
| 05:43.23 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: The problem is, I don't know how to "just" mount in a chroot? |
| 05:43.42 | cilkay | Thanks dondelelcaro. |
| 05:43.43 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: chroot /foo/bar mount -t proc proc proc; |
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| 05:44.14 | dondelelcaro | (you could also mount --bind /proc /foo/bar/proc; but for proc, that's not necessary) |
| 05:44.20 | EmleyMoor | Can I do it with an fstab entry? |
| 05:44.46 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: sure, but if you use schroot, it'll be done for you automatically, along with other useful things, like bind mounting /home |
| 05:45.15 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: My aim is to make it work, then tune the niceties |
| 05:45.51 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: there's nothing to make it work; you deboostrap, and you've got a working chroot. Everything else is most easily done for you using schroot or similar |
| 05:46.32 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: While aptitude clone is interesting, it doesn't prime the cache. |
| 05:46.34 | EmleyMoor | I dispute the "most easily" - schroot itself works but I haven't managed to get the filesystem stuff working that way yet |
| 05:46.55 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: it would if you immediately ran after it aptitude download; |
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| 05:47.20 | dondelelcaro | err, scratch that; aptitude --download-only install; |
| 05:48.02 | cilkay | so "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; xargs aptitude --download-only install" ? |
| 05:48.13 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: no. |
| 05:48.39 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: instead of aptitude install; run aptitude --download-only install; otherwise the instructions are exactly the same. |
| 05:48.49 | cilkay | Ah, so. |
| 05:48.50 | cilkay | Thanks. |
| 05:49.07 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're downloading those packages to eventually install them on that machine) |
| 05:49.11 | cilkay | It's like apt-get -D |
| 05:49.39 | cilkay | I'm downloading them to eventually install on other machines via a preseeded PXE install. |
| 05:49.51 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: uh... then that's not how you do it. |
| 05:50.00 | dondelelcaro | !real problem |
| 05:50.00 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
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| 05:50.56 | cilkay | That's an awfully verbose condescending piece of.... |
| 05:51.14 | dondelelcaro | if you're doing pxe installs on a bunch of machines, you want to run a local debian mirror using apt-proxy or similar. |
| 05:51.27 | cilkay | Yes, except apt-proxy is broken. |
| 05:52.03 | cilkay | "no suitable backend found", which is a bug that has been there for years, apparently |
| 05:52.17 | cilkay | So, I figured, use apt-cacher. |
| 05:52.36 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: then use apt-cacher, or approx, or similar |
| 05:52.39 | cilkay | To prime the cache, I wanted to download all the packages. |
| 05:53.14 | dondelelcaro | why bother? |
| 05:53.14 | cilkay | So what's wrong with the idea of downloading the packages as above to prime the apt-cacher cache? |
| 05:53.28 | dondelelcaro | it'll get primed the very first time you start the install |
| 05:53.40 | cilkay | Because apt-cacher isn't really a proxy from what I can see. |
| 05:54.00 | cilkay | It just installs whatever you moved into the cache manually. |
| 05:54.04 | |niko| | dondelelcaro: I have two partitions, one is / and the other is an LVM2 physical volume with one big logical volume I mount at /home |
| 05:54.06 | cilkay | moved or copied |
| 05:54.16 | pbn | (sorry for the delay - shower) |
| 05:54.18 | |niko| | I reinstalled Debian and wiped the / partition though. |
| 05:54.27 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: How do I tell schroot what to mount? |
| 05:54.29 | |niko| | Now I'm trying to access the LVM2 LV in the /home partition |
| 05:54.34 | pbn | dondelelcaro: great ! what's the package name for that vmware tools packages ? |
| 05:54.34 | |niko| | But it's not working? |
| 05:54.37 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: no, it's a real proxy |
| 05:54.43 | |niko| | Should it show up in /dev/mapper/ automatically? |
| 05:54.53 | EmleyMoor | (it does do /proc but not /home or /tmp |
| 05:54.56 | EmleyMoor | ) |
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| 05:55.03 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: OK, I'll take another look tomorrow. Thanks for the help. |
| 05:55.07 | dondelelcaro | |niko|: it'll show up in /dev assuming you're using udev and everything is configured properly |
| 05:55.18 | dondelelcaro | pbn: open-vm-tools |
| 05:55.29 | |niko| | dondelelcaro: in /dev/mapper/ specifically? |
| 05:55.41 | dondelelcaro | |niko|: yes. |
| 05:56.10 | |niko| | dondelelcaro: all I have is /dev/mapper/control |
| 05:56.30 | |niko| | and pvdisplay returns a bunch of lines like "File descriptor 9 left open" |
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| 05:59.27 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I see /etc/schroot/mount-defaults - this looks like an fstab for the schroot - but when I try it, this happens: W: Failed to change to directory '/home/phil': No such file or directory |
| 05:59.32 | EmleyMoor | W: Falling back to directory '/' |
| 05:59.49 | EmleyMoor | (with no entries active in fstab for it) |
| 06:01.04 | gusx | im using kerberos for authenticatio and password policies , when using kinit with the needchange kerbeross atrribute kinit report password expiration |
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| 06:04.07 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: set run-setup-scripts=true in the config |
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| 06:04.47 | mardi | hi all, i'm trying to resolve a 30 second boot up delay, here's the relevant part of dmesg: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3f8fa5e2 |
| 06:05.11 | dondelelcaro | mardi: it's almost certainly acpi being stupid. |
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| 06:05.32 | Devin | does debian have good dell compatibility out of the box? |
| 06:05.40 | mardi | dondelelcaro: i read about recompiling the DSDT and stuff but it's a bit over my head |
| 06:07.38 | Devin | does debian have good dell compatibility out of the box? |
| 06:07.40 | dondelelcaro | mardi: start with noacpi and/or pci=noapic; at boot, and see if that starts to help. |
| 06:07.52 | dondelelcaro | Devin: please don't repeat, and generally speaking, yes. |
| 06:08.04 | dondelelcaro | (though it obviously depends on the particular piece of hardware you're talking about) |
| 06:08.06 | oc80z | great compatibility. |
| 06:08.15 | oc80z | for real.. |
| 06:08.28 | oc80z | Yo expensive, |
| 06:08.45 | mardi | i even installed boot check but the image it provides does not tell me much |
| 06:08.46 | oc80z | have you had/fixed a sudo problem? |
| 06:08.58 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: ? |
| 06:09.17 | oc80z | my sudo is just returning, not asking for a p/w |
| 06:09.37 | oc80z | decided to pop in here, rather than google 'sudo not wrkng' |
| 06:09.50 | dondelelcaro | mardi: that's probably not terribly useful; without knowing precisely what it's doing, it's hard to say, but my first guess is buggy acpi or apic. Start with disabling them, and go from there. |
| 06:10.04 | oc80z | sudo aefaefaef , will return with out error. |
| 06:10.34 | mardi | dondelelcaro: ok, i'll try that, thanks |
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| 06:11.17 | Devin | does debian have good dell compatibility out of the box? |
| 06:11.18 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: does it exit with non-zero? what does sudo -V; say? what does ls -l /usr/bin/sudo; say? what does (cd /; md5sum --check /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.md5sum|grep -v OK; ) say? |
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| 06:11.36 | oc80z | lets check it |
| 06:11.38 | dondelelcaro | Devin: I already answered your question; if you want to repeat it endlessly, this is not the place. |
| 06:12.05 | oc80z | sudo's up to date imo |
| 06:12.14 | oc80z | u want this pastebinnd? |
| 06:12.16 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 06:12.22 | oc80z | aight boss hang loose. |
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| 06:12.38 | JordiGH | Devin: Other way around: Dell has good Debian compatibility out of the box. ;-) |
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| 06:13.20 | JordiGH | Devin: Anyways, I bought a Dellbuntu machine, dipped it in the baptismal waters of Debian, and have been very happy with it. Pity that I need a binary firmware (packaged for Debian) to get the wireless working, but other than that, this baby runs on 100% free softwrare. |
| 06:13.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: which chipset? |
| 06:13.55 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: intel. :-( |
| 06:13.57 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: It is set up - has been all along. How do I make it mount what it needs? |
| 06:14.02 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: iwl3945 driver |
| 06:14.46 | EmleyMoor | I have to depart soon but will resume this this evening |
| 06:14.54 | Devin | I have an inspiron 1300, do you think that debian would run out of the box on it? |
| 06:14.54 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: again, you need to set the run-setup-scripts=true in the schroot config for that chroot. |
| 06:15.00 | JordiGH | But everything works and I had to do nothing to get it to work. Multimedia keys, suspend, resume, wireless, bluetooth, 3d accel, it all just worked with a default Debian install. |
| 06:15.01 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: that'll bind mount everything you need. |
| 06:15.12 | EmleyMoor | dondelecaro: I have and it doesn't |
| 06:15.17 | dondelelcaro | Devin: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Dell+Inspiron+1300 |
| 06:15.20 | JordiGH | Devin: I don't know, I have an Inspiron 1420, but I guess there's a good chance it works on yours too. |
| 06:15.37 | Devin | okay, thanks a lot, you saved me a lot of time |
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| 06:16.09 | dondelelcaro | (that was the first google result from debian inspiron 1300; I'm sure you can find other examples of people who have made it work) |
| 06:17.00 | EmleyMoor | I will resume this this evening. |
| 06:17.18 | dondelelcaro | and with that; localtime all. |
| 06:17.19 | oc80z | dondelelcaro http://pastebin.ca/1221486 |
| 06:17.47 | EmleyMoor | UTC+0100 in case you're wondering |
| 06:17.48 | JordiGH | Hm, I wish I knew how to use dpatch. |
| 06:17.56 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: uh... the cd /; wasn't optional. |
| 06:18.04 | oc80z | ah |
| 06:18.26 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: and the output from sudo hello world; echo $?; would also be useful. |
| 06:18.45 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: sudo -l; would also be informative. |
| 06:19.06 | oc80z | its all FAILED open or read |
| 06:19.19 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: even with cd /? |
| 06:19.37 | oc80z | cd ; etc.. |
| 06:19.41 | oc80z | yes. |
| 06:19.50 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: cd /; (you need to be in /) |
| 06:19.58 | oc80z | correct. |
| 06:20.09 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: then something is seriously wrong with your install of sudo |
| 06:20.18 | oc80z | oh wait up |
| 06:20.28 | oc80z | wrong window on the double check.. |
| 06:21.55 | oc80z | http://pastebin.ca/1221489 |
| 06:21.58 | faffi | ok so, my flash drive still thinks its 1TB... 1099506.08 |
| 06:22.27 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: and sudo -l; outputs? |
| 06:22.39 | oc80z | sudo -l returns nothing. |
| 06:22.55 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: that sounds like you have a missing or empty /etc/sudoers |
| 06:23.20 | faffi | I have tried, fdisk, parted, gparted and cfdisk and all of them see the flash drive ats 1TB when its a 2 gig flash drive |
| 06:23.24 | oc80z | naaa |
| 06:23.36 | oc80z | nah its there. |
| 06:23.39 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: then become root and strace sudo; and see what it's doing. |
| 06:23.42 | oc80z | with eveyromn ein there.. |
| 06:23.45 | oc80z | ko |
| 06:23.51 | oc80z | yikes typo mania. |
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| 06:24.39 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: su; strace sudo -l > strace.out 2>&1; will tell you what is going on. |
| 06:25.01 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: pastebin the output if it's not totally obvious, and someone here will tell you what's going on with it. |
| 06:25.16 | oc80z | ..how am i going to output that. |
| 06:25.27 | oc80z | its not allowing me to pipe it into a file. |
| 06:25.31 | oc80z | floods my buffer. |
| 06:25.34 | Ward1983 | dondelcaro, i never backported anything (you said earlyer i could backport vmware-tools to etch) |
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| 06:25.44 | Ward1983 | i was away for a moment |
| 06:25.52 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: it will if you su to root; and run the exact command that I gave. |
| 06:25.56 | JordiGH | oc80z: Are you in the sudoers group? |
| 06:26.09 | oc80z | ok |
| 06:26.13 | oc80z | its putting out more than 20,000 lines. |
| 06:27.10 | JordiGH | Are there any dpatch docs? |
| 06:27.35 | oc80z | access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 06:27.38 | JordiGH | Or is dpatch the kind of arcanum that is only transmitted from mouth of DD to ear of DD? |
| 06:27.57 | oc80z | Lots of close(3) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) |
| 06:28.00 | oc80z | *sigh* |
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| 06:28.24 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, let me rephrase: how would i need to backport it? any instructions online? |
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| 06:29.58 | JordiGH | oc80z: What groups are you in? |
| 06:30.35 | oc80z | my own group. |
| 06:30.40 | JordiGH | oc80z: That's it? |
| 06:30.43 | oc80z | others are in teh quota.. |
| 06:30.44 | oc80z | yes. |
| 06:31.10 | JordiGH | Hm, I guess it's not a desktop install, then. |
| 06:31.15 | oc80z | nah its not. |
| 06:31.39 | JordiGH | oc80z: I ask because there's a really weird sudo bug that will prevent sudo from asking for a password if you're in sudoers group. |
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| 06:31.44 | oc80z | this got somthing to do with pam.d? |
| 06:31.46 | JordiGH | oc80z: I guess not the case here. |
| 06:31.54 | oc80z | oh heh. |
| 06:32.06 | oc80z | its just creturnin.. |
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| 06:33.25 | gusx | hi anyone any idea on this ? http://debian.pastebin.com/m313a789 |
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| 06:36.29 | oc80z | wow.. |
| 06:36.34 | oc80z | this is odd. |
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| 06:39.16 | JordiGH | Wow, wait. uscan makes it that easy to update a package? |
| 06:41.24 | JordiGH | No, wait, just downloads the newer version... |
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| 06:44.57 | oc80z | oc80z: su; strace sudo -l > strace.out 2>&1; will tell you what is going on. |
| 06:45.02 | oc80z | ill do that |
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| 06:46.28 | mardi | it was broadcom driver causing the 30 second delay during boot.... |
| 06:46.56 | mardi | i blacklisted "b43" and now booting in about 20 seconds |
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| 06:48.00 | mardi | now i just need to figure out why Age of Mythology is crashing.... |
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| 06:50.26 | Ward1983 | :s |
| 06:50.34 | Ward1983 | the rtl8187 module is not present in etch? |
| 06:50.37 | Ward1983 | what the... |
| 06:50.45 | Ward1983 | how do i fix this? this is weird |
| 06:50.49 | Ward1983 | its a fresh install |
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| 06:52.45 | oc80z | hmm? |
| 06:52.55 | oc80z | the real tek? |
| 06:52.59 | oc80z | yo expensv.. http://root.linuxhq.org/strace.out |
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| 06:53.31 | Ward1983 | oc80z, yes its a realtek wifi chip |
| 06:54.11 | Ward1983 | aha |
| 06:54.12 | oc80z | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
| 06:54.16 | Ward1983 | theres an update |
| 06:54.25 | Ward1983 | with the modules for my currecnt kernel |
| 06:54.33 | Ward1983 | not everything is in because it was netinstall i think |
| 06:55.13 | oc80z | yo dondelelcaro |
| 06:55.17 | oc80z | busy? |
| 06:56.34 | Ward1983 | nope that was not the problem :s |
| 06:57.11 | liable | Ward1983: its not likely in the etch kernel |
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| 06:57.34 | liable | Ward1983: theres etchnhalf kernels that are newer. though i am not sure if its even in those |
| 06:57.38 | Ward1983 | is annoyed |
| 06:57.53 | Ward1983 | liable, yes but i need 2.6.23 or older |
| 06:58.00 | Ward1983 | ffs... |
| 06:58.10 | Ward1983 | the old ones dont have the driver and the new ones have the broken driver |
| 06:58.10 | liable | and if its not in those, theres the compat-wireless package |
| 06:58.12 | Ward1983 | WTF |
| 06:58.19 | liable | Ward1983: why older than 23? |
| 06:58.41 | Ward1983 | liable, because progression means the oposite apperantly |
| 06:58.54 | Ward1983 | liable, from 2.6.24 rtl8187 does not work anymore |
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| 06:59.12 | Ward1983 | which is why i installed etch |
| 06:59.19 | liable | Ward1983: where did you get that information? |
| 06:59.25 | Ward1983 | but now it seems the damn driver is not even in here :o |
| 06:59.43 | Ward1983 | liable, here if im not mistaken... lol |
| 06:59.51 | Ward1983 | a couple of hours ago |
| 07:00.31 | troubled | oc80z: heya |
| 07:00.51 | Ward1983 | liable, what is the compat-wireless package? |
| 07:01.09 | oc80z | hey sup |
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| 07:01.18 | oc80z | i just posted that sudo issue |
| 07:01.26 | troubled | oc80z: whats the prob? |
| 07:01.33 | oc80z | sudo is bork'd |
| 07:01.45 | troubled | oc80z: what version of debian? |
| 07:01.47 | oc80z | i can do, sudo blahblah, and it just returns, no errors. |
| 07:02.03 | oc80z | 2.6 |
| 07:02.19 | troubled | you mean the kernel? |
| 07:02.22 | liable | Ward1983: its the wireless-testing kernel drivers rolled into a tarball |
| 07:02.26 | oc80z | was workin for a while. |
| 07:02.30 | troubled | oc80z: no, I mean, etch, lenny, sid etc |
| 07:02.58 | oc80z | oh etch. |
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| 07:03.25 | troubled | oc80z: whats an example of a command/syntax you tried and what happened? |
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| 07:04.12 | oc80z | http://pastebin.ca/1221489 |
| 07:04.17 | liable | Ward1983: see linuxwireless.org |
| 07:04.56 | oc80z | it just returns w/o error.. |
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| 07:05.46 | troubled | oc80z: paste a copy of your /etc/sudoers |
| 07:06.09 | oc80z | there all in there, correct. |
| 07:06.14 | Ward1983 | liable, so the only way is compiling it? :S |
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| 07:06.21 | troubled | oc80z: humour me |
| 07:06.24 | oc80z | -r--r----- 1 root root 364 Oct 7 11:38 /etc/sudoers |
| 07:06.27 | oc80z | yo thats ok? |
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| 07:06.32 | troubled | sure |
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| 07:06.55 | oc80z | should Defaults be commented out? |
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| 07:07.04 | Ward1983 | lol the word humour makes me think of something |
| 07:07.06 | troubled | oc80z: can you pastebin it plz? |
| 07:07.08 | oc80z | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 07:07.12 | oc80z | it llooks liek that.. |
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| 07:07.20 | oc80z | but with real users,. not root. |
| 07:07.29 | troubled | aye |
| 07:07.39 | troubled | did you use visudo you change it? |
| 07:07.44 | liable | Ward1983: dunno, your the one saying the in kernel drivers dont work |
| 07:07.59 | Ward1983 | liable, the module is not present |
| 07:08.09 | Ward1983 | liable, rtl8187 is not present apprantly |
| 07:08.13 | liable | Ward1983: get the etchnhalf 24 kernel |
| 07:08.15 | troubled | oc80z: I wouldnt comment out the "Defaults env_reset" though |
| 07:08.26 | JordiGH | oc80z: Are you using a wheel group? |
| 07:08.36 | oc80z | nah |
| 07:08.45 | oc80z | it was working for a month.. today, not working |
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| 07:09.24 | troubled | oc80z: try a command like: sudo whoami |
| 07:09.29 | troubled | oc80z: then look in the syslog |
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| 07:09.52 | Ward1983 | about 2 weeks back at a party someone was telling me about his view about the 4th dimension, he claimed a point, coördinate if you will, could be round or square, and the difference between the both was the 4th dimension, this is really by (really really really) far the most retarded statement i have ever read or heard about |
| 07:10.55 | Ward1983 | (now you should be humoured :) ) |
| 07:11.05 | oc80z | nothin in there |
| 07:11.55 | troubled | oc80z: what do you get when you do: ls -l `which sudo` |
| 07:12.07 | oc80z | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91700 Apr 15 2006 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 07:13.03 | troubled | oc80z: sorry, try /var/log/auth.log for the output |
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| 07:13.22 | Ward1983 | do i need the mac80211 version or the regular one? |
| 07:13.34 | troubled | oc80z: grep sudo /var/log/auth.log, what do you get? |
| 07:14.11 | oc80z | yeah |
| 07:14.14 | oc80z | like i said |
| 07:14.15 | oc80z | its pam-d |
| 07:14.19 | oc80z | damn |
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| 07:14.30 | troubled | oc80z: any specific error? |
| 07:14.42 | oc80z | yea its not authenticating |
| 07:14.45 | troubled | oc80z: btw, does it ask for a password? |
| 07:14.51 | oc80z | no it doesnet |
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| 07:15.05 | troubled | oc80z: it should the first time you use it for a few minutes |
| 07:15.16 | troubled | oc80z: and its not roots password, its the users |
| 07:15.35 | troubled | so if im "bob, and I try `sudo whoami`, I should enter bob's password, not roots |
| 07:15.44 | oc80z | ill look at /etc/pam.d/sudo |
| 07:15.50 | oc80z | er yea |
| 07:15.51 | troubled | oc80z: did you change it? |
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| 07:15.54 | oc80z | ive been fine for about a month |
| 07:16.08 | oc80z | i understand sudo. |
| 07:16.25 | troubled | ah okay. well, now that you have the error log, hopefully you got it figured out |
| 07:16.27 | troubled | gl |
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| 07:18.17 | oc80z | ja |
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| 07:19.43 | Blackhold | hello, does anyone knows the price of LPI certification? |
| 07:20.15 | rofl | lpi.org |
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| 07:22.12 | Blackhold | rofl: I don't found the prices... |
| 07:22.31 | ward_ | what the... : insmod: error inserting 'rtl8187-newstack/r8187.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
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| 07:23.13 | rofl | Blackhold: its diff from country to country |
| 07:23.24 | rofl | find a reseller in your country |
| 07:23.54 | surrounder | rofl: you must get a LOT of unneccesary higlights :P |
| 07:24.15 | troubled | surrounder: unless he's an irssi master |
| 07:24.18 | rofl | surrounder: ya think? :P |
| 07:24.27 | surrounder | hehehe :) |
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| 07:24.41 | rofl | troubled: im to lazy to fix it |
| 07:24.43 | rofl | :| |
| 07:24.46 | troubled | :/ |
| 07:25.11 | troubled | the force is lazy in this one master... ;) |
| 07:25.38 | rofl | like most sysadmins :) |
| 07:25.46 | rofl | i should write a script to fix it for me |
| 07:25.51 | ward_ | im not lazy :p |
| 07:25.56 | surrounder | I am \o/ |
| 07:26.00 | troubled | or just tweak irssi |
| 07:26.19 | rofl | a good sysadmin is to lazy to do it themselves, so we write scripts and loops |
| 07:26.27 | ward_ | pffff i think i should give up |
| 07:26.46 | ward_ | no linux will work with my wireless card :s |
| 07:26.53 | ward_ | either the kernel is oto old or too new... |
| 07:27.11 | ward_ | tine for windows i guess :s :o |
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| 07:27.20 | ward_ | tiMe |
| 07:27.21 | troubled | or a spellchecker |
| 07:27.29 | troubled | and a better shift key :) |
| 07:27.35 | ward_ | ive been up all night |
| 07:27.49 | ward_ | im kindof tired and if im tired i cannot type well |
| 07:27.50 | troubled | ya, linux does that to you ;) |
| 07:28.06 | ward_ | yes but its a bit too frustrating lqtely |
| 07:28.22 | ward_ | every new version of anything breaks a ton of stuff or so it seems |
| 07:28.30 | ward_ | and there is no decent alternative :( |
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| 07:28.43 | troubled | kernel tweaking is a fine art, not a science |
| 07:28.46 | ward_ | windows sucks, mac osx sucks, and linux starts to suck too imho |
| 07:29.06 | surrounder | ward_: bsd \o/ |
| 07:29.08 | troubled | ward_: tried m-a yet? |
| 07:29.17 | ward_ | troubled, i never even heard of that yet |
| 07:29.23 | troubled | ward_: I hear its good for stuff like wireless, but tbh, i never use it |
| 07:29.26 | troubled | !m-a |
| 07:29.27 | dpkg | module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 07:29.29 | ward_ | surrounder, never tried bsd lol, but im tired of OSes |
| 07:29.41 | bolt-work | !lol |
| 07:29.43 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:29.50 | troubled | ward_: if your card supported according to the linux wifi site? |
| 07:29.59 | ward_ | troubled, yes that is actually in their guide so i did that |
| 07:30.19 | ward_ | troubled, yes the linux wifi site links to here : http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing |
| 07:30.24 | troubled | ward_: well, if its supported, its probably just something you are doing wrong or an error in their guide |
| 07:30.32 | troubled | clicks |
| 07:30.42 | ward_ | troubled, could you check the guide briefly please? |
| 07:30.46 | ward_ | ah thanx :) |
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| 07:30.55 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 07:31.05 | troubled | ward_: which kernel are you using? |
| 07:31.25 | ward_ | troubled, uname -a |
| 07:31.26 | ward_ | Linux debianVM 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:32.01 | troubled | ward_: okay, so you need to use a ver from svn. which ones have you tried? |
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| 07:32.27 | ward_ | troubled, svn co https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi rtl-wifi |
| 07:32.54 | ward_ | the first one |
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| 07:33.01 | troubled | ward_: might want to try r52 like they suggest |
| 07:33.30 | ward_ | troubled, will do, but how can i get all the old crap ouf of there now? |
| 07:33.41 | troubled | out of where? |
| 07:33.43 | ward_ | troubled, im not too familiar with modules |
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| 07:34.23 | tech_ | hello |
| 07:34.25 | ward_ | troubled, i had to do some insmod lines, how do i get rid of those? |
| 07:34.26 | troubled | the kernel source tree? just rm -rf it and unpack it again. the tar ball should be there still |
| 07:34.34 | tech_ | I am being udp flooded |
| 07:34.39 | ward_ | troubled, huh? :s |
| 07:34.40 | tech_ | how can i drop all udp packets with iptables |
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| 07:34.42 | troubled | ward_: insmod is temp only |
| 07:34.43 | ward_ | ok im totally confused now |
| 07:34.51 | troubled | ward_: if it didnt install, dont worry, its not running |
| 07:35.04 | troubled | ward_: lsmod, should show whats installed |
| 07:35.06 | ward_ | troubled, so how do i tell my machine the insmod stuff should be unloaded? |
| 07:35.16 | troubled | ward_: rmmod <modname> |
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| 07:35.32 | ward_ | troubled, so insmod and modprobe do the same thing? |
| 07:35.33 | troubled | ward_: but if you got an error, its likely not inserted still |
| 07:35.50 | troubled | ward_: basically, modprobe will also insmod any dependencies though |
| 07:35.55 | ward_ | troubled, i allways used modprobe to load kernel modules that were allready delivered with the kernel |
| 07:36.10 | troubled | ward_: so if you did modprobe foo, and foo depends on bar, modprobe would insmod bar for you too |
| 07:36.11 | ward_ | troubled, aaah so thats the difference |
| 07:36.18 | ward_ | troubled, yes i understand |
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| 07:36.30 | Ergo^ | morning |
| 07:36.36 | troubled | its temp with insmod anyways, so a reboot will always get you back to square one |
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| 07:36.49 | Ergo^ | i did a mistake today and instead of adduser , i sued useradd |
| 07:36.50 | troubled | Ergo^: moin moin |
| 07:36.55 | ward_ | troubled, allright thanx, will start with that then |
| 07:37.03 | ward_ | reboots |
| 07:37.07 | troubled | Ergo^: eeek, I bet useradd isnt thrilled about being sued! |
| 07:37.20 | Ward1983 | im still here anyways :p |
| 07:37.24 | troubled | :) |
| 07:37.43 | Ergo^ | i removed the users and added them again, it appears everything is working , but right now when i do ps -aux i see only userids instead of usernames |
| 07:37.50 | Ergo^ | can i correct that easy way ? |
| 07:37.54 | troubled | ack! |
| 07:38.04 | troubled | Ergo^: did you kill your passwd file or somethin? |
| 07:38.17 | Ward1983 | troubled, modprobe is temporary too right? i allways assumed it was |
| 07:38.20 | troubled | or make it chmod o= ? |
| 07:38.27 | Ergo^ | troubled: no |
| 07:38.38 | troubled | Ward1983: yes, unless you edited your /etc/modules.conf to always insert the module |
| 07:38.39 | Ergo^ | it looks jsut fine, i didnt touch it by hand anyways |
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| 07:39.15 | troubled | Ergo^: ls -l /etc/passwd |
| 07:39.15 | SPF | Ergo^: when you added the users again, the new users got a new id |
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| 07:39.16 | Ergo^ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5K 2008-10-07 09:26 /etc/passwd |
| 07:39.17 | Ward1983 | troubled, ok thanx it makes a bit more sense now |
| 07:39.18 | oc80z | fixd. heh. |
| 07:39.31 | troubled | oc80z: gratz :) |
| 07:39.45 | troubled | Ergo^: looks fine |
| 07:39.50 | oc80z | i knew it was pam from the start.. |
| 07:39.58 | troubled | Ergo^: although, 1.5k is pretty big |
| 07:40.02 | Ergo^ | i try to see what users are owning my fcgi processes |
| 07:40.17 | Ergo^ | maybe i need to chown the sockets again ? |
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| 07:40.19 | troubled | Ergo^: when you ls -l in a dir, do you see numbers too? |
| 07:40.50 | troubled | Ergo^: if its a socket for fcgi, make sure www-data has rw for it generally |
| 07:41.03 | troubled | (www-data being what apache runs as under debian) |
| 07:41.05 | Ergo^ | troubled: well the sockets work |
| 07:41.07 | Ergo^ | etc |
| 07:41.28 | Ergo^ | but i jsut dont get why i see 1003 instead of "username" |
| 07:41.33 | Ergo^ | when i do ps -aux |
| 07:41.35 | troubled | Ergo^: still, a ps -aux should show a username :/ |
| 07:42.12 | Ergo^ | well in 2 cases of fcgis it doesnt in others it does |
| 07:42.25 | Ergo^ | i assume its because i used that useradd |
| 07:42.31 | troubled | Ergo^: what about when you run top? |
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| 07:43.05 | Ergo^ | wow... top shows them fine |
| 07:43.10 | troubled | Ergo^: looking at my ps -aux, I see exim shows numbers, which seems to be shown if the username is too long to display |
| 07:43.25 | Ergo^ | ah |
| 07:43.32 | Ergo^ | could be i panicked without a reason :D |
| 07:43.34 | troubled | Ergo^: www-data shows too, which is 8 chars, so anything beyond 8 may be truncated to a number |
| 07:43.38 | troubled | :) |
| 07:43.42 | troubled | possibly |
| 07:43.43 | Ergo^ | hah, thanks |
| 07:44.01 | ghaleb | hello, how can I forward console output to another screen ? |
| 07:44.04 | troubled | if ls -l or top show numbers, you either got bad passwd file perms, lost file or are in a chroot |
| 07:44.16 | troubled | ghaleb: or something like syslog? |
| 07:44.17 | Ergo^ | top shows fine |
| 07:44.20 | Ergo^ | thanks |
| 07:44.24 | Ergo^ | and have a good day |
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| 07:44.28 | troubled | you too |
| 07:44.38 | ghaleb | troubled: yeah, to see the syslog in another screen or terminal |
| 07:44.41 | troubled | ghaleb: generally just an "echo foobar > /dev/ttyXXX" would do |
| 07:45.07 | troubled | ghaleb: edit your /etc/syslog.conf and add: *.* /dev/tty# |
| 07:45.14 | ghaleb | tail -f /var/syslog > /dev/tty ? |
| 07:45.19 | troubled | then restart your syslog (reload may work too) |
| 07:45.35 | troubled | nah, just tell syslog to log a copy of everything to the tty |
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| 07:45.46 | troubled | dont have to be logged in either |
| 07:46.07 | troubled | plus tail -f alone isnt enough since next 6:25am, the file will rotate and you would loose the tail follow |
| 07:46.16 | troubled | you would need --retry for that to work iirc |
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| 07:46.53 | ghaleb | yeah you are right |
| 07:46.59 | troubled | I know ;) |
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| 07:47.09 | ghaleb | hmm .. but what if I want to show sth else ? |
| 07:47.12 | ghaleb | :D |
| 07:47.21 | ghaleb | hehe |
| 07:47.26 | troubled | ghaleb: depends what you want to show. there is a "logger" command iirc |
| 07:47.37 | troubled | ghaleb: man logger |
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| 07:47.46 | troubled | basically will put custom entry to the syslog |
| 07:48.04 | troubled | otherwise, if you just echo to the tty that syslog is outputting to, it can get garbled |
| 07:48.24 | ghaleb | I see |
| 07:48.25 | troubled | plus since logger uses syslog, its governed by some sane flood controls and kept in the syslog |
| 07:48.37 | ghaleb | yes |
| 07:48.47 | troubled | but sure, you can just echo to the tty too :) |
| 07:49.18 | ghaleb | thank you :) |
| 07:49.22 | troubled | np, gl :) |
| 07:49.42 | ghaleb | I have one more problem, the automated screen gets off |
| 07:49.45 | ghaleb | and can't see |
| 07:49.52 | troubled | you mean console screen blank? |
| 07:50.00 | ghaleb | I mean. the screen turns off after while |
| 07:50.05 | ghaleb | yes exactly |
| 07:50.21 | Ward1983 | ffs.... |
| 07:50.28 | Ward1983 | now i have not enough range... |
| 07:50.30 | troubled | ghaleb: look in /etc/console-tools/config and change the BLANK_TIME |
| 07:50.35 | Ward1983 | and txpower is not changeable :@ |
| 07:50.48 | Ward1983 | and highpower is not possible to enable.... |
| 07:50.54 | troubled | Ward1983: with r52? |
| 07:51.00 | Ward1983 | something out there does NOT want me to use my wificard |
| 07:51.04 | troubled | :) |
| 07:51.08 | Ward1983 | troubled, yes and it installed fine |
| 07:51.28 | Ward1983 | troubled, also finds correct SSIDs only range is very limited |
| 07:51.29 | ghaleb | troubled: yeah .. it's 30 |
| 07:51.35 | ghaleb | is it in seconds ? |
| 07:51.36 | troubled | Ward1983: might just be cause its an older stable driver that lacked that option. now that you got it running okay, try diff revs |
| 07:51.43 | dam85 | i want to install a Squid Proxy server, example i have 4 ip addresses 11.11.11.11 22.22.22.22 33.33.33.33 44.44.44 |
| 07:51.50 | dam85 | .44 |
| 07:51.54 | dam85 | can i configure squid |
| 07:51.56 | troubled | Ward1983: better yet, try svn log -r52:HEAD, and see if they added that |
| 07:51.58 | dam85 | to use all the ips? |
| 07:52.00 | Ward1983 | troubled, only this time i installed it, like not temporarily :p |
| 07:52.07 | troubled | ghaleb: minutes iirc |
| 07:52.08 | ghaleb | yeah I see now thank you very much troubled :) |
| 07:52.15 | Ward1983 | troubled, but i used that thing to install modules as a deb |
| 07:52.20 | Ward1983 | forgot the name for a moment |
| 07:52.24 | troubled | ghaleb: np |
| 07:52.35 | dam85 | is it possible? |
| 07:52.36 | ghaleb | should I restart sth ? |
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| 07:52.50 | troubled | dam85: should be possible, look for a bind statement in the config |
| 07:53.17 | troubled | dam85: try look for and set the "http_port" multiple times |
| 07:53.38 | dam85 | troubled: ok, but if i configure 4 ips, if i do a http request |
| 07:53.53 | dam85 | the ip passed is my ip, or server ip? |
| 07:54.13 | Ward1983 | troubled, do you know how i should get rid of my allready installed new module first? |
| 07:54.49 | troubled | dam85: the ip that sites would see would be the squids ip, not the clients, but squid generlaly would add an XFF (X-forwarded-for) header to tell the receiving end what the clients original ip is |
| 07:55.17 | dam85 | example...i configure squid to use 4 ips... 11.11.11.11 22.22.22.22 33.33.33.33 44.44.44.44 i do a http request to take www.exaple.com i connect to 11.11.11.11 and send the request........example.com will see my ip or 11.11.11.11? |
| 07:55.30 | dam85 | ok |
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| 07:55.56 | troubled | dam85: ah, which ip the request goes out would depend on the routing tables most likely |
| 07:56.11 | dam85 | ok |
| 07:56.23 | troubled | dam85: generally your default route, but if the route tables prefer 22.22.22.22 to be used for the dest ip, then it would be used |
| 07:56.58 | dam85 | no iwant to send http request |
| 07:57.04 | dam85 | the first with the first ip |
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| 07:57.07 | troubled | Ward1983: installed as in the /lib/modules/`uname -r` dir? |
| 07:57.09 | dam85 | the second with the sendo ip |
| 07:57.10 | dam85 | ecc ecc |
| 07:57.25 | ward_ | troubled, yep |
| 07:57.26 | dam85 | *second |
| 07:57.45 | troubled | dam85: again, routing is how you would control it |
| 07:58.08 | ward_ | troubled, wow, nope :s |
| 07:58.19 | ward_ | troubled, sorry i was wrong i could have sworn i installed it :s |
| 07:58.24 | ward_ | luckily i didnt |
| 07:58.32 | troubled | ward_: I would just compile the kernel again with a specific rev in the name and boot to that and kill the old dir, but i also use make-kpkg to make it a .deb so I can uninstall |
| 07:58.43 | dam85 | troubled: but squid routing? |
| 07:58.47 | ward_ | troubled, i think its time for a smoke break / new coffee... sorry |
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| 07:59.02 | troubled | dam85: not sure if squid can do that. but you can with routing |
| 07:59.41 | ward_ | troubled, make modules_install makes a deb too right? |
| 08:00.08 | troubled | ward_: no, it just installs manually |
| 08:00.12 | ward_ | damn |
| 08:00.17 | troubled | !kpkg |
| 08:00.17 | dpkg | somebody said kpkg was a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 08:00.26 | troubled | !kernel-package |
| 08:00.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
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| 08:00.32 | troubled | ward_: ^^^ |
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| 08:00.36 | bonk_ | is crontab run as root or user who edited crontab? |
| 08:00.43 | troubled | thats the preffered way to make a kernel |
| 08:00.48 | dam85 | iptables? |
| 08:00.55 | Supaplex | bonk_: the latter |
| 08:00.56 | troubled | bonk_: user that edits it |
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| 08:01.24 | troubled | dam85: no, its all routing table controled with weights. look for the advanced routing howto |
| 08:01.25 | bonk_ | ok |
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| 08:01.31 | troubled | !lartc |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 08:01.37 | troubled | dam85: ^^^ |
| 08:01.45 | ste | Hi. since a 3/4 days aptitude (sid) crashes when it should start download packages. |
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| 08:01.52 | troubled | dam85: same idea as having multiple isps |
| 08:02.00 | ward_ | i cannot even concentrate on it now lol |
| 08:02.04 | ward_ | bah |
| 08:02.10 | dam85 | ok |
| 08:02.12 | troubled | dam85: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html |
| 08:02.14 | troubled | try that |
| 08:02.20 | ward_ | i wish i was a robot on batteries |
| 08:02.50 | troubled | dam85: there are limitations though. some sites may break if requests come from diff ips is the main issue |
| 08:03.06 | troubled | but you can always do an exception for that route specifically to only go out one ip |
| 08:03.15 | troubled | ward_: coffee! |
| 08:03.43 | troubled | ward_: unless you are in a rush to get it running, I suggest you try a few kpkg compiles and get familiar with it |
| 08:03.53 | troubled | expect to spend the nite playing though ;) |
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| 08:04.20 | dam85 | ok |
| 08:05.13 | troubled | all you buggers owe me a beer! ;) |
| 08:05.25 | ward_ | troubled, yes ill try it right after i get back from a break, but in the meantime i noticed i cannot get -r52:HEAD like you suggested |
| 08:05.34 | ward_ | revision range is not allowed is the error |
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| 08:05.53 | ward_ | troubled, AS LONG AS ITS BELGIAN BEER THATS FINE :d |
| 08:05.55 | troubled | ward_: wow, never seen an svn server deny that heh |
| 08:05.58 | ward_ | oops capslock |
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| 08:06.11 | troubled | ward_: did you specify the url too? paste the command you tried and ill take a look |
| 08:06.28 | ward_ | troubled, svn co -r52:HEAD https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi rtl-wifi |
| 08:06.33 | troubled | ive never had problems with ranged log queries on sf.net before, but I usually am logged in |
| 08:06.38 | troubled | not co, log |
| 08:06.49 | troubled | svn log -r52:HEAD <url> | less |
| 08:06.59 | eshat | Hi all, rhythmbox does not copy covers to my ipod, is there any other programm which can do that ? |
| 08:07.04 | troubled | I was suggesting you parse the changelog since rev 52 and see what changed |
| 08:07.05 | ward_ | aha |
| 08:07.34 | troubled | ward_: if they say in rev 55 for example that they "added power configure option", then you would wanna check that out |
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| 08:07.55 | troubled | !rockbox |
| 08:07.56 | dpkg | Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It runs on a number of different models -> http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 08:08.08 | troubled | hmmm, probably not what you want :) |
| 08:08.26 | scorche | probably not.. |
| 08:08.40 | troubled | but something that would let you mount the fs manually and copy it wouldnt be bad if you dont mind some scripting |
| 08:08.45 | ward_ | troubled, svn log -r52:HEAD https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi rtl-wifi |
| 08:08.46 | ward_ | svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/rtl-wifi/!svn/bc/83' |
| 08:08.51 | troubled | ... |
| 08:09.06 | ward_ | with | less its the same |
| 08:09.11 | troubled | ward_: take out the last rfl-wifi |
| 08:09.20 | troubled | ward_: there is no dest dir in a log query |
| 08:09.32 | troubled | svn log -r52:HEAD https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi | less (works for me just fine) |
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| 08:10.50 | ward_ | troubled, yep working here too, the problem was i had rtl-wifi 2 times |
| 08:10.58 | troubled | ;) |
| 08:11.32 | ward_ | troubled, but that doesnt get the whole archive? |
| 08:11.56 | troubled | ward_: it should give all log entries for that url from rev 52 all the way to the latest |
| 08:12.07 | ward_ | what exactly does that command do? sorry for the flood of n00b-questions |
| 08:12.10 | troubled | rev 83 is the HEAD here |
| 08:12.15 | troubled | ward_: it should give all log entries for that url from rev 52 all the way to the latest |
| 08:12.29 | troubled | HEAD in svn means the latest/last rev |
| 08:12.36 | troubled | not blowjob ;) |
| 08:12.37 | ward_ | still not getting it |
| 08:12.39 | trumpen` | can I safely remove all the empty lost+found directories in my hard disk? |
| 08:12.59 | troubled | ward_: do you see the log on your screen? |
| 08:13.05 | ward_ | i saw that yeah |
| 08:13.12 | troubled | ward_: can you scroll up and down with the arrow keys? |
| 08:13.30 | troubled | r53 | falmouth | 2007-02-23 12:54:13 -0500 (Fri, 23 Feb 2007) | 1 line |
| 08:13.32 | troubled | both rev 32 change and rev 39 include change are needed |
| 08:13.35 | ward_ | checks again |
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| 08:13.43 | ward_ | troubled, yes i can |
| 08:13.56 | troubled | that log entry for example (rev 53) is newer than your rev52, and the commit mesg was: both rev 32 change and rev 39 include change are needed |
| 08:14.00 | ward_ | troubled, r83 is the latest here too |
| 08:14.19 | troubled | ward_: good, now go read all of them and look for mention of your power option |
| 08:14.37 | ward_ | troubled, so this line was purely to read the history of rtl-wifi ? |
| 08:14.44 | troubled | while not a 100% guarentee, theres a good chance it would be mentioned like "added new power option" or something |
| 08:14.46 | ward_ | troubled, aaaah now its clear |
| 08:14.50 | troubled | yup :) |
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| 08:15.23 | omry | hi, I created a local repo, signed the release file, exported the sig and imported it on the client with apt-key add, and when I try to install a package from the repo I still get that the package cannot be authenticated. any idea? |
| 08:15.38 | troubled | like r67 just says "fixes". not very descriptive, but myself I would look at the actually patch for that rev and try see if the code has comments |
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| 08:15.57 | ward_ | troubled, good idea |
| 08:16.10 | troubled | ward_: so you can try: svn diff -c67 <url> | less |
| 08:16.36 | troubled | not that -r becomes -c (which means that exact rev) and log becomes diff (which means to show you a diff patch) |
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| 08:17.27 | troubled | looking at rev67, looks like just some minor cosmestic stuff and a few constant renames, so not likely anything related to power config option |
| 08:17.31 | troubled | ie: keep looking ;) |
| 08:18.02 | troubled | speaking of coffee... |
| 08:18.08 | ward_ | lol |
| 08:18.11 | troubled | wadles off to the kitchen |
| 08:18.26 | ward_ | troubled, thanx that makes svn a bit more logical |
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| 08:19.04 | ward_ | over here its 10:18 :) coffee is ready, my parents woke up a few hours ago |
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| 08:19.18 | JyZyXEL | im drinkin 0xc0ffee |
| 08:19.33 | ward_ | loool |
| 08:19.37 | ward_ | hex coffee |
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| 08:19.58 | JyZyXEL | i like my coffee in base16 |
| 08:20.08 | ward_ | lol |
| 08:20.53 | bolt-work | argh. stop with the lol already |
| 08:21.36 | ward_ | i like binary more :) 1+1=10 |
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| 08:21.57 | ward_ | bolt, dont read it? |
| 08:22.25 | ward_ | you should be working anyway |
| 08:22.26 | ward_ | :p |
| 08:22.28 | bolt-work | i am |
| 08:22.30 | bolt-work | compiling :D |
| 08:22.43 | ward_ | wants to say the word again |
| 08:23.02 | bolt-work | readies the gauss cannon |
| 08:23.21 | omry | it's there a way to disable the apt-get security check for a particular repo? |
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| 08:24.36 | loralitilli | hello there |
| 08:24.40 | bolt-work | where? |
| 08:24.47 | ward_ | there |
| 08:24.56 | bolt-work | oh. over _there_ |
| 08:25.01 | bolt-work | no, i don't wanna hello over there |
| 08:25.15 | bolt-work | i prefer here |
| 08:25.20 | JyZyXEL | yea! |
| 08:25.26 | loralitilli | kay what bout here? this is okay? |
| 08:25.33 | bolt-work | there be monsters |
| 08:25.49 | loralitilli | but there is the cake |
| 08:25.56 | bolt-work | lies |
| 08:26.10 | loralitilli | i've seen it |
| 08:26.16 | bolt-work | cake trolll |
| 08:26.19 | omry | there be monsters and squids |
| 08:26.28 | omry | and proxies. |
| 08:26.40 | loralitilli | 7? |
| 08:26.41 | troubled | the cake is a lie! |
| 08:26.45 | ward_ | lol i actually met a new kind of troll today, some chinese propaganda dude |
| 08:26.51 | troubled | omry: oh my! |
| 08:26.54 | ward_ | oops i said the word again :p |
| 08:27.00 | JyZyXEL | propaganda! |
| 08:27.04 | loralitilli | dude? |
| 08:27.06 | bolt-work | actually, the cake is a pie. and i'm having it anyway |
| 08:27.15 | omry | lol |
| 08:27.17 | JyZyXEL | pie is fine too |
| 08:27.22 | omry | the lie is a pie. |
| 08:27.23 | troubled | lies! |
| 08:27.32 | JyZyXEL | wait its the lie thats a pie? |
| 08:27.37 | troubled | that cake is sappin my sentry! |
| 08:27.37 | loralitilli | the pie is a pee? |
| 08:27.51 | JyZyXEL | i was under the impression that it was the pie thats a lie |
| 08:27.52 | ward_ | leaves insanity for his long deserved smoke / coffeebreak |
| 08:27.56 | bolt-work | i think this channel just derailed |
| 08:28.04 | JyZyXEL | yea badly |
| 08:28.12 | JyZyXEL | i've never seen this channel go like this |
| 08:28.15 | troubled | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvJ6yDZ_HAA&eurl=http://www.wegame.com/watch/Engy_Dinner/ |
| 08:28.32 | loralitilli | i'm sorry |
| 08:28.41 | JyZyXEL | and youtube videos.. that never happends here |
| 08:28.49 | troubled | no harm in screwin around until real questions come up |
| 08:29.07 | loralitilli | puts a can of coffee on the table in the middle |
| 08:29.11 | bolt-work | true |
| 08:29.43 | loralitilli | .oO(real questions will come up when lenny is released) |
| 08:30.25 | troubled | oh for sure |
| 08:30.34 | troubled | not looking forward to it :/ |
| 08:30.53 | loralitilli | it's like the hurd :-) |
| 08:31.09 | EmleyMoor | When I schroot, my home directory isn't available. schroot -v output: http://paste.debian.net/18694/ - can anyone advise what might be wrong? |
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| 08:31.25 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 08:31.37 | bolt-work | not hello anywhere specific? |
| 08:32.12 | cousin_luigi | . |
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| 08:32.36 | cousin_luigi | I remember using a tool to show unused packages but I can't remember its name |
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| 08:32.47 | loralitilli | aptitude |
| 08:32.50 | bolt-work | deborphan? |
| 08:33.13 | cousin_luigi | bolt-work: yes I think that's the one |
| 08:33.21 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
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| 08:34.11 | bolt-work | cousin_luigi: np |
| 08:35.38 | bolt-work | EmleyMoor: not sure what separater schroot from normal chroot, but are you sure there is a /home/user inside your chroot? |
| 08:35.39 | troubled | rofl |
| 08:35.41 | troubled | cousin_luigi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCPA4DHbi4w&NR=1 |
| 08:35.46 | troubled | you gotta check that out! |
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| 08:36.06 | EmleyMoor | bolt-work: /home is supposed to be bind mounted by schroot itself |
| 08:36.19 | EmleyMoor | The point being, it seems it isn't being |
| 08:36.24 | bolt-work | EmleyMoor: it would seem that fails |
| 08:36.38 | cousin_luigi | troubled: no audio here:) |
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| 08:37.08 | EmleyMoor | Indeed. I can force the mounts into the chroot but that is not "the way to go" when using chroot, I gather |
| 08:37.13 | bolt-work | EmleyMoor: does /etc/schroot/mount-defaults contain a correct entry for it? can you perhaps try mounting it manually? |
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| 08:37.28 | EmleyMoor | I will pastebin that file - it looks OK to me |
| 08:37.53 | troubled | cousin_luigi: its just the goomba yelling "nooo noo noo nooooooo! eeeee nooo!" |
| 08:39.17 | bolt-work | EmleyMoor: I would think that's where the mistake is, but I don't know anything about schroot, so I'm just guessing here. just make sure it matches your normal fstab and try to find a relevant reference guide on the matter. there might be some subtle differences between fstab and that file |
| 08:39.39 | EmleyMoor | 18695 |
| 08:39.53 | EmleyMoor | The file itself explains |
| 08:40.12 | EmleyMoor | I will google for stuff on it too |
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| 08:40.56 | bolt-work | EmleyMoor: that file looks very strange. you're mounting proc on /proc but /home on /home? might be how it's supposed to be, though. i dunno |
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| 08:41.27 | cousin_luigi | can you suggest something to show network/system stats using rrdtool? |
| 08:41.33 | EmleyMoor | That's "as it came" |
| 08:41.34 | cousin_luigi | but tiny? |
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| 08:45.47 | Arafangion | Hey, how can I get the 4965AGN Intel Wireless working? |
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| 08:46.40 | Arafangion | I don't think I can actually turn it /on/ at the moment, and the fn+f5 key combo doesn't have much effect at all (Best as I can tell, that's the kill-switch). There is also a sliding switch on the front of the laptop, but that only affects bluetooth when I try it. |
| 08:47.00 | bolt-work | Arafangion: depends on what's not working. you need to specify what you've done and what your exact problem is |
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| 08:47.36 | Arafangion | bolt-work: My exact problem is tha the wireless doesn't turn on. I can't get much more explicit than I am, sorry. :( |
| 08:47.59 | Arafangion | This is a stock-standard debian system, but with etchnhalf kernel and xorg. |
| 08:48.25 | cousin_luigi | missing firmware perhaps? |
| 08:48.39 | Arafangion | cousin_luigi: Hmm, possible. |
| 08:48.42 | bolt-work | Arafangion: how do you know it's not "turning on"? is it listed in lspci? have you checked your logs? is there a module loaded for it? tried any howto's on that card? i'm sure there are some |
| 08:49.00 | apprentice | Hi what's the name of the log file that's shows whatever Debian outputs when you exit and restart the system? |
| 08:49.02 | Arafangion | bolt-work: The light on the screen indicating that the wifi is enabled does not turn on. |
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| 08:49.12 | cousin_luigi | Arafangion: what does dmesg say about it? |
| 08:49.29 | bolt-work | apprentice: dmesg? |
| 08:49.40 | ward_ | troubled, nice, i only now notice it actually shows me the code |
| 08:49.48 | omry | it's there a way to enable APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated for a particular repo? |
| 08:49.49 | apprentice | bolt-work, ok I'll check it out. |
| 08:49.49 | ward_ | (just came back) |
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| 08:50.03 | Arafangion | cousin_luigi: Dmesg does have a number of interesting entries, which appear to have resulted from me pressing various random buttons: |
| 08:50.10 | EmleyMoor | will have to wait for someone to come on who knows schroot |
| 08:50.39 | cousin_luigi | Arafangion: the first one usually gives more insight |
| 08:50.44 | EmleyMoor | Another matter now: On the gnome desktop, there is an icon that is supposed to appear when updates are available... |
| 08:50.47 | Arafangion | http://rafb.net/p/DjODlQ32.html |
| 08:50.59 | troubled | ward_: :) |
| 08:51.08 | EmleyMoor | Mine is stuck on - constantly reporting one update over the number there are... |
| 08:51.21 | EmleyMoor | How do I restore normal service to that? |
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| 08:52.20 | troubled | ward_: its only a diff of what changed,but its usally pretty easy to tell the diff between minor corrections and new code/comments (assuming they comment their code) |
| 08:52.37 | Arafangion | cousin_luigi: It appears that hitting the sliding button both enables/disables bluetooth, while complaining that wifi needs the kill switch to be turned off. |
| 08:52.39 | troubled | ward_: anyways, have fun with it, im off for a bit |
| 08:52.55 | ward_ | troubled, well no luck so far, i think ill jsut try each version untill i find one that seems to work |
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| 08:53.07 | ward_ | troubled, ok take care thanx for the info / help |
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| 08:54.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | question, orinoco + wpa_supplicant = (good|bad)? |
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| 08:55.43 | rvsjoen | hmmm... what could cause menuconfig to not working properly in terms of navigation ? I just get character output when I try moving the selector in the menu |
| 08:56.01 | cousin_luigi | Arafangion: grep 4965 /var/log/messages |
| 08:56.41 | EmleyMoor | Anyone else about know schroot? |
| 08:57.04 | Arafangion | cousin_luigi: That's got 18 results, about half of which is complaining about the kill switch. Things seem to be otherwise fine. |
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| 09:00.07 | ward_ | EmleyMoor, do you mean chroot? |
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| 09:00.45 | Arafangion | Bleh, one complication with my laptop is that google searches appear to indicate that there are many /different/ R61e laptops. |
| 09:00.55 | EmleyMoor | ward_: No - chroot underlies schroot but my problem is specifically with schroot |
| 09:01.17 | rvsjoen | what is the problem |
| 09:01.33 | ward_ | EmleyMoor, ah ok, never heard of schroot (schroot means junk in dutch btw :D ) |
| 09:01.50 | EmleyMoor | rvsjoen: http://paste.debian.net/18694/ and 18695 - why isn't my /home available? |
| 09:02.11 | EmleyMoor | ward_: I hope that doesn't prove strangely appropriate |
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| 09:02.46 | ward_ | EmleyMoor, i hope so too lol, good luck |
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| 09:03.23 | rvsjoen | does it exist ? |
| 09:03.53 | EmleyMoor | rvsjoen: It exists in the underlying system |
| 09:04.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Does anyone have wpa_supplicant working with an orinoco card? |
| 09:04.06 | rvsjoen | and there is a user folder inside it ? |
| 09:04.26 | EmleyMoor | rvsjoen: To protect myself, that is concealment of the real name. Yes. |
| 09:05.28 | cousin_luigi | thanks everybody |
| 09:05.30 | cousin_luigi | bye! |
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| 09:07.00 | rvsjoen | it might be nothing, but the FSTAB variables says "mount-defaults" while the header of the second pastebin says mount.defaults, does the filenames match ? |
| 09:07.59 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... I will check - and see if I can work out what's happened |
| 09:08.20 | rvsjoen | is /tmp and mounted properly ? |
| 09:08.57 | EmleyMoor | mount-defaults on the disk - just called mount.defaults inside itself |
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| 09:10.00 | EmleyMoor | No, it isn't |
| 09:11.11 | EmleyMoor | (/tmp is not being mounted in the chroot) |
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| 09:15.13 | BleSS | and not recommend for experts in cryptography |
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| 09:15.58 | ward_ | what can cause this? |
| 09:15.58 | ward_ | sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 5 |
| 09:15.58 | ward_ | Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) : |
| 09:15.58 | ward_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.26 | ward_ | also: iwlist wlan0 txpower |
| 09:18.26 | ward_ | wlan0 unknown transmit-power information. |
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| 09:20.05 | ward_ | pfff |
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| 09:20.16 | ward_ | can i somehow upgrade to kernel 2.6.23? |
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| 09:20.27 | ward_ | my driver should be in there and working |
| 09:20.47 | ward_ | but not working anymore from 2.6.24 |
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| 09:21.43 | koollman | ward_: interesting. any bug reported about it ? |
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| 09:22.21 | ward_ | koollman, yes i found some bug file on launchpad |
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| 09:22.39 | ward_ | koollman, think it was one for ubuntu though, not sure |
| 09:22.56 | ward_ | fileD |
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| 09:23.35 | ward_ | koollman, do you know of any way ot upgrade to 2.6.23 ? i currently have Linux debianVM 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:23.59 | Arafangion | ward_: Why that specific kernel? |
| 09:24.29 | ward_ | Arafangion, because anything higher wont work with the driver i need, its broken in higher versions |
| 09:24.49 | ward_ | Arafangion, and in lower versions it acts retarded too, no range :( but it finds SSIDs |
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| 09:25.04 | ward_ | DHCP seems to fail |
| 09:25.07 | tralala | !sdn |
| 09:25.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 09:25.10 | Arafangion | ward_: I'd probably grap your working .config, then use the official kernel from kernel.org, and use make-kpkg to generate .deb packages. |
| 09:25.52 | ward_ | thats kindof overkill for me :( |
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| 09:26.00 | koollman | that reminds me a recent question I was asking myself. what does a package need to be updated into stable ? |
| 09:26.04 | rdz | su |
| 09:26.08 | ward_ | ive been working on this crap for hours |
| 09:26.11 | rdz | (oops) |
| 09:26.30 | ward_ | :s |
| 09:26.53 | koollman | rdz: su: Authentication failure |
| 09:26.59 | koollman | rdz: Sorry. |
| 09:27.00 | ward_ | lol |
| 09:27.03 | kermelesh | Enter text here...i am albanian and i f... russian |
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| 09:27.09 | MrWGW | hey there |
| 09:27.25 | MrWGW | you know I think I want to install Etch on one of my systems |
| 09:27.28 | Arafangion | is going nuts trying to figure where the <censored> his kill swtich is. |
| 09:28.06 | ward_ | Arafangion, try the trigger :) |
| 09:28.21 | MrWGW | I used netinst a while back, but if someone could refresh my memory |
| 09:28.24 | Arafangion | ward_: /what/ trigger? :( |
| 09:28.31 | geek | MrWGW: and? ;p |
| 09:28.39 | MrWGW | does Netinst support DHCP, and does it know where your repos are? |
| 09:28.46 | MrWGW | so I can just do it with minimal fuss? |
| 09:28.47 | ward_ | Arafangion, lol you were looking for the kill switch so you need to try the trigger :p |
| 09:28.48 | geek | MrWGW: yes and yes |
| 09:28.50 | MrWGW | ok good |
| 09:28.58 | Arafangion | ward_: I've got two triggers - one being Fn+F5, which doesn't do anything, and a sliding trigger, which seems to only impact the bluetooth. |
| 09:29.00 | tralala | MrWGW, /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:29.14 | ward_ | Arafangion, you dont understand me, it ws just a joke :) |
| 09:29.17 | geek | MrWGW: though after that i suggest using apt-spy to get a faster repo ;p |
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| 09:29.31 | MrWGW | so dang that's as good as FreeBSD Sysinstall, especially since unlike the nasty RH network install of d00m it creates a minimal base system |
| 09:29.33 | Arafangion | ward_: People who are stressed do not enjoy jokes. :( |
| 09:29.37 | ward_ | Arafangion, the KILL switch (think gun) |
| 09:30.05 | Arafangion | ward_: As I said... People who are stressed do not enjoy jokes. I do not particularly want jokes at this point. |
| 09:30.13 | ward_ | Arafangion, what is the problem, i probably can't help but you never know |
| 09:30.16 | geek | MrWGW: Which is lovely. i have a habit of starting with naked installs ;p |
| 09:30.25 | geek | Arafangion: kill switch for what? |
| 09:30.26 | MrWGW | geek: superb |
| 09:30.50 | Arafangion | ward_: I can not get iwl4965 to work, or even turn on. :( |
| 09:30.55 | geek | MrWGW: i'd point out there's a minimal disk as well as a netinst disk.. the former is uber tiny |
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| 09:31.05 | Arafangion | ward_: Module's loaded, everything's fine, except for that <censored> kill switch. :( |
| 09:31.08 | kermelesh | viva albania |
| 09:31.21 | kermelesh | viva kosovo |
| 09:31.24 | geek | Arafangion: hmm... i don't recognise that model. intel? |
| 09:31.38 | Arafangion | geek: Yup. |
| 09:31.43 | MrWGW | the main reason I haven't done more with Debian isn't your guy's'es fault at all; rather, I got annoyed at some local sysadmins who use it, who very vocally advocate it, and who suck, and that combined with that ssh thing, which in hindsight wasn't really your fault either, accidents happen, + other minor bits had the effect of temporarily turning me off to Debian, but now I feel like giving it a twirl |
| 09:31.46 | geek | what bands? |
| 09:31.47 | MrWGW | yeah, I'd prefer the netinst |
| 09:32.07 | MrWGW | I basically make my living admining Fedora systems, but I run my own stuff on FreeBSD + OpenSUSE generally |
| 09:32.10 | Arafangion | geek: A/G/N |
| 09:32.15 | MrWGW | and yes, Fedora, its weird stuff |
| 09:32.22 | kermelesh | VIVA ALBANIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 09:32.26 | geek | MrWGW: i run kubuntu on my laptop, and debian on my server ;p |
| 09:32.33 | MrWGW | but the Debian community has always struck me as being nice |
| 09:32.40 | MrWGW | geek: I really used to like Ubuntu, up until 7.10 |
| 09:32.48 | marc7 | MrWGW: arrogance isn't becoming of anybody. sorry some admins on their high-horses gave you a bad impression of debian |
| 09:33.00 | MrWGW | Gutsy and Hardy were disappointing to me |
| 09:33.11 | MrWGW | marc7: indeed, its ok |
| 09:33.16 | marc7 | i'm actually pretty well-versed in netinst, what are you looking to do with it? |
| 09:33.20 | geek | hasn't had any issues with either. not entirely sure about moving to KDE4 yet |
| 09:33.23 | EmleyMoor | has cleared the update-manager tooltip :-) |
| 09:33.29 | kermelesh | VIVA CECENIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 09:33.32 | geek | on anything that is |
| 09:33.40 | geek | kermelesh: where's that? |
| 09:33.40 | MrWGW | one of the admins isn't bad, but he's kind of the protege of the other, who not only sucks, but who also ripped me off, over unrelated business |
| 09:33.46 | geek | lol |
| 09:33.47 | kermelesh | DEATH PUTINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN |
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| 09:34.00 | MrWGW | marc7: I prefer very strongly doing network installs and also single CD installs |
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| 09:34.04 | geek | MrWGW: Can't be as bad as the reason i stopped using mandriva ;p |
| 09:34.08 | MrWGW | geek: ahh? |
| 09:34.17 | MrWGW | I actually like Mandriva, I haven't used it recently |
| 09:34.20 | geek | MrWGW: ex girlfriend used to use it ;p |
| 09:34.25 | marc7 | haha |
| 09:34.25 | MrWGW | but I have a Powerpack CD around here somewhere that I lost |
| 09:34.30 | MrWGW | geek: that's a good one |
| 09:34.42 | MrWGW | my last GF was nice, our relationship just sort of fizzled and we both moved on |
| 09:34.52 | geek | MrWGW: it gets worse ;p. a few boyfriends later she switches gender |
| 09:35.03 | surrounder | lawl |
| 09:35.05 | geek | so was mine. we still talk up a storm sometimes ;p |
| 09:35.35 | EmleyMoor | Just got to crack the schroot problem now |
| 09:36.11 | ward_ | Arafangion, did you ever have another OS on your laptop? did the card ever work there? if not it sounds like you do have some sort of a button to disable it |
| 09:36.19 | marc7 | MrWGW: can't help you in terms of finding a new girlfriend, but I keep forgetting there's two parts to the network install... there's the part that almost everybody uses, which is that netinst ISO image to quickly deploy a recent copy of debian... and then there's the process of rapidly deploying debian servers with a network install process. i'm more familiar with the latter... but if you have any workstation install questions I'll try to |
| 09:36.21 | ward_ | allmost every laptop has such a button btw |
| 09:36.22 | geek | (back on topic) that and apt's the package management system i ended up using on mandriva aince i HATED urpmi (then i swapped over to suse 10.1 and used smart on that cause yast was broken. its been debian based distros since) |
| 09:36.35 | geek | marc7: its almost identical ;p |
| 09:36.53 | ward_ | Arafangion, also i dunno if it matthers for your model but some laptops first need a package to enable their buttons |
| 09:36.55 | MrWGW | marc7: nah its OK, I'm too busy for a gf now :-P |
| 09:37.10 | marc7 | geek: i'm talking about crazy automation to the point where you could build the next skynet with debian servers within a couple of hours |
| 09:37.12 | ward_ | well the combinations with fn, etc i mean |
| 09:37.13 | geek | i meant workstation and server installs IMO |
| 09:37.23 | geek | marc7: ooh powerful kung fu ;p |
| 09:37.37 | geek | ward_: or a switch |
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| 09:38.01 | EmleyMoor | The fstab schroot is supposed to use is resulting in nothing being mounted |
| 09:38.01 | MrWGW | marc7: rapid deployment is interesting stuff |
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| 09:38.06 | Arafangion | ward_: The other OS is Vista, and I've never gotten Vista to work properly with third-party wlan drivers. That said, vista turns it on automatically. |
| 09:38.07 | MrWGW | and geek: wooo wtf |
| 09:38.08 | ward_ | geek, yeah but newer models mostly have these weird stupid buttons that are no switches |
| 09:38.21 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 |
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| 09:38.28 | marc7 | geek: more like script-fu... I was just visiting in China and toured the Shaolin Temple where real kung-fu masters train... those guys are freaking crazy. |
| 09:38.29 | ward_ | Arafangion, so it works in vista right? |
| 09:38.30 | geek | ward_: wierd. my old laptop had one, the new one dosen't |
| 09:38.31 | smellynoser | How do I remote reboot a windows computer from linux? |
| 09:38.47 | MrWGW | btw do any of you work on SANs, use virtualization or work with Cisco or Juniper network equipment out of pure curiosity? Just out of pure unabashed curiosity |
| 09:38.56 | geek | no yes no no |
| 09:38.58 | MrWGW | I'd also be interested to know about SAN support in Debian, I'd assume iSCSI works and PoE? |
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| 09:39.05 | EmleyMoor | smellynoser: Does the machine have any means for you to log in? |
| 09:39.06 | ward_ | geek, my old one had a real switch, but my sister her new one got some fancy stupid button (touch even, and you cannot see its a button, you need to touch the LED) |
| 09:39.31 | marc7 | yes yes usedto no |
| 09:39.31 | Arafangion | ward_: Well, it works well enough for it to see that there are networks available. |
| 09:39.31 | ward_ | really retarded systems sometimes to switch wifi on or off |
| 09:39.31 | geek | i used to run a server on VMware till i got an old box to run as a server |
| 09:39.31 | Arafangion | ward_: But something's messed up with it's authentication. |
| 09:39.31 | MrWGW | good good |
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| 09:40.15 | MrWGW | goes to download netinst |
| 09:40.17 | ward_ | Arafangion, so it gets power in vista, then it sohuld get power in debian too |
| 09:40.41 | Arafangion | ward_: Theoretically. |
| 09:40.45 | mojjog | Hi. Is it allright with the etch repositories? When I perform apt-get update, it waits for headers, and then Err http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Sources 503 Service Unavailable |
| 09:40.49 | EmleyMoor | rfswitch.sf.net any use? |
| 09:41.06 | MrWGW | what's the etchnhalf netinst CD? |
| 09:41.20 | ward_ | Arafangion, yeah so a button or key combo is probably not your problem :( |
| 09:41.34 | geek | MrWGW: it installs etch with some backports such as the kernel. personally i'd use lenny over that |
| 09:41.49 | MrWGW | yeah I actually specifically -want- 2.6.18-8 |
| 09:41.55 | MrWGW | since I want to run vmware |
| 09:42.10 | MrWGW | btw in your repos do you have that dynamips/dynagen? |
| 09:42.24 | ward_ | running 2.6.18-6 in vmware here, working nice |
| 09:42.58 | MrWGW | the biggest reason I want to use Debian btw, I want to mess with JFS and XFS |
| 09:43.01 | MrWGW | I've used XFS extensively |
| 09:43.10 | MrWGW | and done some fun stuff with project quotas, and I can get it anywhere |
| 09:43.16 | ward_ | MrWGW, you may also like GNS3, a GUI for dynamips / dynagen |
| 09:43.20 | MrWGW | JFS is a bit harder to find, and I really want to, separately, on this system, drill down into both |
| 09:43.34 | MrWGW | ward: and all of the above you guys have? If so, superb |
| 09:43.40 | MrWGW | sadly this means ripping out FreeBSD from this workstation |
| 09:44.02 | MrWGW | but I'm using this Intellistation for my Cisco lab, its less powerful than my other workstations and at the same time it is powerful enough to run lots of small OpenBSD virtual machines with OpenBGP |
| 09:44.03 | ward_ | MrWGW, no theiy do not seem to be in the repo |
| 09:44.08 | MrWGW | mhmm alas |
| 09:44.17 | MrWGW | they are in the FBSD ports but its a moot point, since FBSD can't do vmware |
| 09:44.26 | MrWGW | now I could do jails in FBSD but it might well suck |
| 09:44.40 | ward_ | MrWGW, you know you do not need vmware for dynamips / dynagen right? |
| 09:44.41 | MrWGW | getting OpenBGP active in each jail etc |
| 09:44.47 | MrWGW | ward: yeah I know |
| 09:44.52 | ward_ | ah ok |
| 09:44.57 | MrWGW | this system will run OpenBSD VMs inVMWare for OPenBGP and OpenOSPF |
| 09:45.00 | ward_ | i think its a bit weird to run them in vmware |
| 09:45.01 | MrWGW | and Dynamips |
| 09:45.16 | testi | I have artifacts with VNC. How can I avoid these? |
| 09:45.21 | MrWGW | the goal is to get as many routers into my Cisco lab as possible to pratice BGP and OSPF with |
| 09:45.52 | testi | Or what other protocols and programs replace vncserver? |
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| 09:45.59 | ward_ | MrWGW, why not just use a real isntallation for that? |
| 09:46.00 | MrWGW | separately my Cisco lab has some nice physical stuff: 1 x 6506, 2 x 2900XL, 1 x 2611, 2 x 3640, + 1 x 3640, 1 x 2500 ( I am so installing Linux on it) and 1 x 3com disgusting crap on order |
| 09:46.07 | MrWGW | + an ancient box repurposed as a console server |
| 09:46.07 | Arafangion | ward_: The more investigation I do, the more I suspect that I need 2.6.26. :( |
| 09:46.24 | MrWGW | ward: because I want like 10 or more OpenBSD VMs to do BGP with |
| 09:46.30 | MrWGW | my plan is to do BGP on all of the above routers |
| 09:46.46 | ward_ | MrWGW, aaaah now i understand :) |
| 09:46.47 | MrWGW | then if I can get it from my ISP I might do some BGP with the real internet perhaps |
| 09:47.00 | ward_ | MrWGW, i did something similar with virtualbox a while ago |
| 09:47.04 | omry | I am running an etch server, and I want to pull a development package from etch. what's the safe way to do it? |
| 09:47.28 | MrWGW | ward: I"m mainly a VMWare guy |
| 09:47.35 | ward_ | MrWGW, i use both :) |
| 09:47.36 | MrWGW | in fact Server is the only hypervisor I really use, I'm dreading 2.0 |
| 09:48.11 | MrWGW | wait, is etch 3 or 4? |
| 09:48.22 | ward_ | MrWGW, in vbox its simple too, i just setup bridged interfaces for my VMs and some even used real ethernet NICs :) |
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| 09:48.39 | ward_ | really cool to try out |
| 09:48.52 | MrWGW | I'm doing the same thing, I bought a pair of gig E NICs for this |
| 09:48.52 | geek | MrWGW: anything specific with 2.0 you are dreading? |
| 09:48.58 | MrWGW | I wanted to get multi port ones but they were too expensive |
| 09:49.04 | ward_ | and with gns3 you can even click the lines between the routers and launch wireshark on that specific line |
| 09:49.06 | MrWGW | so I just put in a piar of $9.99 gigE PCI NICs |
| 09:49.07 | ward_ | that is SO COOL |
| 09:49.13 | MrWGW | geek: the whole thing, it looks nasty |
| 09:49.19 | MrWGW | everyone who uses it says it sucks |
| 09:49.25 | MrWGW | I'll probably stay on 1 and then migrate to Xen |
| 09:49.29 | MrWGW | or if I win the lottery buy ESX |
| 09:49.33 | MrWGW | I would love ESX ENterprise |
| 09:49.35 | MrWGW | I might also use ESXi |
| 09:49.43 | MrWGW | or alternatively I could just kill myself :-P |
| 09:50.18 | MrWGW | but then I might windup as a sysadmin in Hell, in which case I'd be tasked with running VMWare Server 2.0 on Satan's vast fleet of Windows 2003 Enterprise Server boxes |
| 09:50.34 | MrWGW | and that would, you know, really suck |
| 09:50.35 | ward_ | MrWGW, im trying to loadbalance between 2 interfaces on my virtualmachine (vmware this time, not vbox) |
| 09:50.39 | MrWGW | they'd be Dell PowerEdge 1950s, too |
| 09:50.47 | MrWGW | or no, they'd be PowerEdge 1750s |
| 09:50.57 | MrWGW | yeah, that's what you'd find down there |
| 09:51.13 | MrWGW | shivers |
| 09:51.14 | MrWGW | :-p |
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| 09:51.25 | ward_ | maybe ill use dynagen or dynamips to let a virtual router do the load balancing |
| 09:51.43 | MrWGW | ward: where do the interfaces go? |
| 09:51.52 | mardi | are the security repositories no more? |
| 09:51.54 | MrWGW | you could do the load balancing in your guest |
| 09:51.57 | MrWGW | with realtive ease |
| 09:52.27 | ward_ | MrWGW, one is ethernet to my home router, and one is a wifi interface (trough USB) |
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| 09:52.55 | ward_ | MrWGW, the wifi interface goes to the neighbours network (yes i have his permission) |
| 09:53.32 | ward_ | both networks have their own gateway which is connected to a ADSL modem |
| 09:53.35 | ward_ | in both places |
| 09:53.53 | ward_ | same speed and everything, but different provider |
| 09:53.56 | MrWGW | ok |
| 09:54.15 | ward_ | but my god forsakened wificard wont work |
| 09:54.18 | MrWGW | well you could load balance between the two in your guest OS by directly bridging them |
| 09:54.30 | MrWGW | you could do it in your host OS I believe by screwing with iptables, but I don't know how, I've just heard you can |
| 09:54.52 | MrWGW | or you could install an OS in one VM, do host only networking between it and another, and bridge it to the two interfaces, and it would be a router |
| 09:54.57 | MrWGW | and you'd have no need for dynamips |
| 09:55.02 | MrWGW | you could run OpenBSD in your VM perhaps |
| 09:55.05 | ward_ | MrWax, you can also screw with the routingtables :p |
| 09:55.05 | MrWGW | the router one |
| 09:55.13 | MrWGW | you can screw with al ot of stuff |
| 09:55.22 | ward_ | MrWGW, , you can also screw with the routingtables :p |
| 09:55.29 | ward_ | wrong highlight |
| 09:55.30 | MrWGW | SATA enclosures especially, but I digress |
| 09:55.33 | MrWGW | :-P |
| 09:55.54 | MrWax | ward_: ok! |
| 09:55.56 | MrWax | hehe |
| 09:56.01 | ward_ | well i foudn a nice howto how to setup loadbalancing the way its meant in linux |
| 09:56.12 | ward_ | and that alters the routing table |
| 09:56.18 | MrWGW | you could also buy yourself an F5 Big IP ward :-P |
| 09:56.23 | MrWGW | which would of course be absurd |
| 09:56.24 | ward_ | only i first need to get this stupid wifi card working ... |
| 09:56.29 | MrWGW | but you're talking to a guy who has a 6506 in his garage |
| 09:56.34 | MrWGW | with 3x 48 port 10/100 line cards |
| 09:56.35 | MrWGW | bwahahha |
| 09:56.39 | Appiah | D: |
| 09:56.42 | MrWGW | my home LAN can kick your home LAN's ass |
| 09:56.46 | ward_ | lol thats not usefull at home... |
| 09:56.57 | MrWGW | its useful at -my- home |
| 09:57.06 | MrWGW | I have about 30 deviecs I can plug into it total |
| 09:57.15 | ward_ | do you organise 144person LAN parties in your garage? |
| 09:57.18 | MrWGW | I should just get some fiber in here :-p |
| 09:57.18 | ward_ | lol |
| 09:57.19 | MrWGW | ROFL |
| 09:57.23 | ceil420 | what can i use to see what driver X is using? |
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| 09:57.24 | MrWGW | that would be cool, I should do that |
| 09:57.32 | MrWGW | oh man, ward, that is an *AWESOME* idea |
| 09:57.39 | ceil420 | ward_, get a Jay Leno garage |
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| 09:57.42 | ward_ | 30 devices vs 144 available ports |
| 09:57.46 | ward_ | still massive overkill lol |
| 09:57.49 | MrWGW | I should do that for my birthday, throw the world's ultimate LAN party |
| 09:58.06 | MrWGW | ward: especially when you consider most of those devices aren't in places where they could conveneintly connect to it |
| 09:58.09 | MrWGW | that said, my ISP wants my 6500 |
| 09:58.17 | EmleyMoor | ceil420: Do you think it should be some specific driver? |
| 09:58.17 | MrWGW | and I'm probably going to lease it to him |
| 09:58.21 | ward_ | lol? |
| 09:58.23 | ward_ | wtf |
| 09:58.31 | ceil420 | EmleyMoor, i'd like it to be the fglrx driver |
| 09:58.33 | MrWGW | he suddenyl needs a new 6506 |
| 09:58.37 | MrWGW | and so naturally everyone is looking at me |
| 09:58.42 | EmleyMoor | (I don't know a universal way, but glxinfo may help you to determine) |
| 09:58.48 | MrWGW | and I'm prepared to come forward under the right terms, which wil exist |
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| 09:59.02 | ward_ | why do you have such equipment at home lol |
| 09:59.07 | MrWGW | what i"ll probably say is you give me a quarter rack (I have 2U in the DC now but I want more space and power) and I give you a 6506, do it for a year or so |
| 09:59.07 | ceil420 | EmleyMoor, what package does that command come with? |
| 09:59.28 | MrWGW | ward_: because its cool? |
| 09:59.32 | MrWGW | I just hope the code enforcer doesn't see it |
| 09:59.34 | MrWGW | he'd throw a fit |
| 09:59.47 | MrWGW | :-P |
| 09:59.53 | wintix | ceil420: then have a look at the xorg config |
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| 10:00.27 | MrWGW | my city has gotten in legal trouble with the county government for engaging in illegal and corrupt and abusive practices re: code enforcement, so |
| 10:00.38 | ward_ | MrWGW, lol the only person i ever heard of that had his ISP (same as mine) ever contacting him was becasue he had forged a packet with a different ip adress haha |
| 10:00.39 | MrWGW | they keep on doing it though |
| 10:00.40 | EmleyMoor | ceil420: mesa-utils |
| 10:00.50 | MrWGW | ward_: I work for my iSP |
| 10:00.54 | wintix | ceil420: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:00.54 | MrWGW | among other people |
| 10:00.57 | MrWGW | I'm a freelance sysadmin |
| 10:01.02 | ward_ | within the next few minutes his connection dropped and they rang him on the home number lol |
| 10:01.06 | MrWGW | the ISP that I use for my servers, a colo provider, basically, is one of my clients |
| 10:01.07 | ceil420 | wintix, xorg.conf is this, but i dunno if it's obeying: http://rafb.net/p/R7Z39r18.html |
| 10:01.19 | MrWGW | my residential ISP I wouldn't give the time of day to |
| 10:01.19 | wintix | ceil420: ah, i see. |
| 10:01.28 | ward_ | 'if you ever do that again you will loose your subscription forever and you wont be able to get a new one with ANY provider' |
| 10:01.32 | MrWGW | if I could get my colo ISP to shoot fiber to my house I would, but that would cost me millions of dollars since they're 70 miles away |
| 10:01.51 | ward_ | MrWGW, aaah that explains a lot, you work for your ISP |
| 10:01.59 | MrWGW | my colo ISP is not only my client, but the two guys that own it, a father and son, are among my best friends |
| 10:02.14 | ward_ | over here only large ISPs exist |
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| 10:02.22 | MrWGW | I go out to dinner with the father and I go clubbing with the son, so if those guys need a 6500, we can talk |
| 10:02.25 | MrWGW | lots of small ISPs exist in the US |
| 10:02.26 | ceil420 | EmleyMoor, glxinfo is there (thanks), but doesn't tell me what driver i'm using :x |
| 10:02.27 | MrWGW | lots |
| 10:02.30 | MrWGW | I'm technically a small ISP |
| 10:02.32 | MrWGW | a hosting provider |
| 10:02.36 | MrWGW | which is a form of ISP |
| 10:02.39 | ward_ | yeah |
| 10:02.44 | MrWGW | since I'm basically reselling internet access |
| 10:02.50 | MrWGW | albeit to people with VPSes that run on my servers |
| 10:02.52 | EmleyMoor | ceil420: It doesn't always - for example, it doesn't tell with nv, but does with nvidia |
| 10:02.59 | ward_ | can you recommend any site with cisco tutorials btw? |
| 10:03.01 | ceil420 | :x |
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| 10:03.06 | wintix | ceil420: just write something else fglllllrx to the config file and try to start X. if it fails, it uses the config file.. |
| 10:03.09 | MrWGW | ward_: no, but do checkout ##cisco |
| 10:03.11 | MrWGW | they're decent |
| 10:03.24 | MrWGW | and thank you btw for being so awesome, this is delightful, I've been in this channel before but its never been this good |
| 10:03.29 | marc7 | i usually think of internet service providers (ISP's) as the companies that provide the last mile of connectivity to end users |
| 10:03.54 | ward_ | MrWGW, last time they thought it was for school homework.... lol |
| 10:03.57 | ceil420 | wintix, that doesn't mean it's not using a fallback or something. reason i'm asking is that xscreensaver GL stuff oughtn't lag with fglrx (it does) |
| 10:04.00 | marc7 | so the telephone/cable/wireless companies that end up giving you internet access |
| 10:04.18 | MrWGW | ward_: there are one or two mean guys in there |
| 10:04.20 | ward_ | MrWGW, they couldnt seem to comprehend someone genuinely being interested in cisco devices |
| 10:04.54 | MrWGW | separately I'm trying to energize ##net, a channel I registered for general network engineering and system administration purposes, but its very quiet, but I have two Cisco guys in there, so if the guys in Cisco are too mean you can retreat to it if you feel so inclined |
| 10:04.54 | ward_ | MrWGW, maybe it was bad timing then, will try it sometime again |
| 10:05.04 | MrWGW | ward_: a lot of guys in there are nice |
| 10:05.12 | MrWGW | in Cisco |
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| 10:05.24 | ward_ | i must have entered on a bad moment then |
| 10:05.35 | MrWGW | that said there was one guy in there who flamed me and ignored me yesterday all of a sudden, I thought we were doing great, then I asked his opinion on this one used router I wanted to buy and he like...flipped |
| 10:05.37 | MrWGW | it was bizarre |
| 10:05.40 | MrWGW | kind of depressing actually |
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| 10:06.08 | MrWGW | ward_: #fedora and #openbsd are the only Freenode channels that I geniunely dislike |
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| 10:06.19 | MrWGW | #ubuntu, ##linux and ##windows usually suck due to overcrowding + trolling |
| 10:06.22 | ward_ | i dislike #ubuntu most lol |
| 10:06.24 | MrWGW | but there are good guys in them |
| 10:06.27 | MrWGW | #ubuntu is problematic |
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| 10:06.33 | MrWGW | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.45 | ward_ | #ubuntu's admins are plain dicks |
| 10:06.57 | ward_ | well not all offcourse |
| 10:07.04 | MrWGW | #vmware, #cisco, #electronics, #xfs, #spacewalk (the only RH-related channel that doesn't suck), #solaris are good |
| 10:07.06 | ward_ | but way too many |
| 10:07.06 | MrWGW | and now, this channel |
| 10:07.13 | MrWGW | #netbsd is good |
| 10:07.22 | MrWGW | ##freebsd is either really good or really bad depending on when you're there |
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| 10:07.46 | geek | ward_: donno- the main issue i've had with #ubuntu is my questions occationally seem to be too tough ;p |
| 10:07.52 | ward_ | #debian has allways been pretty good, #linux is very usefull too sometimes |
| 10:07.56 | MrWGW | #ruby-lang is good whenever zenspider isn't around, zenspider is such a prick IMO he ought to be banned from Freenode, he and han are probably the most obnoxious channel ops, I've never been banned from ruby-lang, but zenspider often trolls in there and has ops, so no one ever does anything |
| 10:08.07 | geek | MrWGW: #windows trolls are often linux zealots ;p |
| 10:08.08 | MrWGW | han in #openbsd of course sucks |
| 10:08.12 | MrWGW | geek: yep |
| 10:08.21 | MrWGW | I hate to flame individual Freenode users like this in another channel |
| 10:08.25 | MrWGW | but those guys are seriously mean |
| 10:08.37 | MrWGW | there's also one jerk in #fedora who ruins that channel for everyone |
| 10:08.40 | ward_ | geek, yeah but i think windows bashing is pathetic (a joke now and then ok) |
| 10:08.41 | MrWGW | but most guys on Freenode I meet I really like |
| 10:08.46 | MrWGW | ward_: I agree |
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| 10:09.00 | MrWGW | I actually like Windows, I just prefer UNIX |
| 10:09.03 | MrWGW | I prefer Windows to OS X |
| 10:09.10 | ward_ | osx is real crap |
| 10:09.13 | MrWGW | yep |
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| 10:09.16 | MrWGW | so we have neatly aligned tastes |
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| 10:09.29 | ward_ | i needed to alter a path where the executables are |
| 10:09.30 | MrWGW | now my friend Adam really hates Debian for some reason, he thinks Windows is superior to it, he's a Slackware purist though |
| 10:09.42 | ward_ | like i did 100 of times in various linux distros |
| 10:09.54 | ward_ | after i did it in OSX i got kernel crashes |
| 10:09.59 | geek | ward_: agreed. windows was my primary OS for many years, and the main reason i switched was for a few non critical KDE apps ;p |
| 10:10.18 | MrWGW | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.23 | Arafangion | *sigh*, I suspect that my problem with the wifi is that I need at least kernel 2.6.26, _and_ the latest xorg. |
| 10:10.25 | ward_ | i like the idea of open source software :) that was the main reason i switched |
| 10:10.28 | MrWGW | IMO Debian in its present form has problems, but I would love to see them fixed |
| 10:10.33 | ward_ | using windows more and more again lately though |
| 10:10.35 | MrWGW | like lack of 32 bit binary supoprt in x64, that would be trivial |
| 10:10.44 | MrWGW | ward_: I mainly use Linux as a desktop |
| 10:10.58 | MrWGW | my Windows Vista desktop sitting next to me I'm only useing for esoteric reasons relating to random b0rkage on my LAN |
| 10:10.59 | ward_ | me too but im trying to learn more server stuff as im unemployed |
| 10:11.07 | liable | Arafangion: xorg for wireless? |
| 10:11.13 | MrWGW | ward_: where do you reside if I might ask? |
| 10:11.14 | MrWGW | Australia? |
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| 10:11.21 | geek | Arafangion: xorg for wireless? |
| 10:11.25 | Arafangion | liable: Sorry, thinking about two things... My backlight buttons are /also/ broken. |
| 10:11.27 | ward_ | MrWGW, belgium |
| 10:11.31 | MrWGW | Belgium, interesting |
| 10:11.39 | MrWGW | I figured with ward_ + your comment about a lack of small ISPs |
| 10:11.49 | MrWGW | you might have been down there, there are lots of aussies on Freenode at this time |
| 10:11.49 | geek | MrWGW: donno, i use both, and the user experience is different |
| 10:11.58 | Arafangion | liable: Which does imply that my killswitch issue is similar. |
| 10:11.59 | MrWGW | geek: yeah |
| 10:12.08 | surrounder | �12:05:04� MrWGW - han in #openbsd of course sucks |
| 10:12.08 | ward_ | MrWGW, you are living in australia? that figures the 70miles from your ISP :p |
| 10:12.10 | surrounder | lol |
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| 10:12.14 | geek | i like debian more when i need a basic system from scratch. i like ubuntu on my desktops |
| 10:12.17 | surrounder | MrWGW: bullshit, I know him IRL and he's a great guy |
| 10:12.19 | MrWGW | ward_: I've been in Belgium actually, in Brussels, I was there in 2001, I really liked it |
| 10:12.30 | geek | *desk/laptops |
| 10:12.33 | MrWGW | surrounder: well ok great, maybe he's awesome IRL |
| 10:12.44 | ward_ | MrWGW, i kindof dislike belgium, at the moment we dont even have a govenment lol |
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| 10:12.51 | MrWGW | are you Belgian? |
| 10:12.56 | ward_ | they cant agree to form a coalition lol |
| 10:12.57 | surrounder | ward_: you have great beer though :P |
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| 10:13.05 | ward_ | yes im belgian |
| 10:13.16 | MrWGW | surrounder: when han quits banning everyone and apologies to all the Freenode users he's pissed off then I'll agree with you |
| 10:13.29 | MrWGW | IMO you can't be so mean online and be a great guy IRL, the two do not correlate |
| 10:13.33 | MrWGW | nice people are nice in both contexts |
| 10:13.52 | MrWGW | ward_: yeah, well, I can tell you |
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| 10:14.07 | MrWGW | if you move to the US, you can get a sysadmin job in a heartbeat |
| 10:14.17 | MrWGW | with great ease, right now IT here is the only sector that's doing well |
| 10:14.24 | MrWGW | in fact, I see it pulling the economy out of this recession |
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| 10:14.31 | MrWGW | which will of coures cause another boom/bust cycle in it |
| 10:14.36 | MrWGW | but that's just the name of the game |
| 10:14.48 | MrWGW | all the really good people who were in IT in 1999 are still in IT now |
| 10:14.49 | ward_ | MrWGW, i didnt know that, IT is getting a bit crowded here, + there are tons of people with a degree (but most are stupid or cant do anything) |
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| 10:14.55 | ward_ | and i DONT have a degree lol |
| 10:15.00 | surrounder | hehe same here |
| 10:15.02 | ward_ | so its not easy to find something |
| 10:15.09 | petemc | perhaps you chaps should take your chat to #debian-offtopic |
| 10:15.10 | MrWGW | ward_: if you moved to the US you could get a junior sysadmin job instantly with no degree |
| 10:15.16 | MrWGW | petemc: sure thing |
| 10:15.21 | MrWGW | or to ##net perhaps mhmm? |
| 10:15.34 | ward_ | its frustrating to see peopel with a degree that cannot even launch a command prompt in their windows :s |
| 10:15.41 | ward_ | and they have a job |
| 10:15.42 | MrWGW | yep |
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| 10:16.05 | surrounder | MrWGW: ah well, guess that's everywhere, I'm a linux admin without a degree too :) |
| 10:16.17 | MrWGW | surrounder: there are lots of places where degrees are "optional" |
| 10:16.19 | ward_ | surrounder, nah not over here |
| 10:16.30 | MrWGW | where are you based surrounder? |
| 10:16.34 | surrounder | ward_: really? time to move a little north then :P |
| 10:16.37 | surrounder | MrWGW: the netherlands |
| 10:17.03 | MrWGW | so yeah, dang, ward_, just you know, take a train, you'll be in job-hunting territory in 30 minutes or so :-P |
| 10:17.05 | MrWGW | Thalys FTW |
| 10:17.06 | surrounder | my current emplyer will pay for a RHCE though, that's nice |
| 10:18.29 | geek | needs to move XD |
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| 10:18.29 | MrWGW | do they still have those Thalys TGVs? |
| 10:18.29 | MrWGW | those were so cool |
| 10:18.29 | ward_ | MrWGW, lol i live so close to the border i would be in holland by foot in 30 minutes :p |
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| 10:18.40 | MrWGW | ward_: ok dude, get off your ass and start walking! |
| 10:18.40 | surrounder | hehe |
| 10:18.40 | MrWGW | sheesh |
| 10:18.40 | MrWGW | :-P |
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| 10:18.40 | tech_ | after I edit /etc/resolv.conf, how do I make it come into effect? |
| 10:18.40 | ward_ | surrounder, i checked werk.nl several times but i didnt find anything suitable in my region though (limburg) |
| 10:18.49 | ward_ | only found a few where they asked for tons of experience and tons of stuff or certificates |
| 10:18.59 | MrWGW | guess how far I routinely commute to my clients? |
| 10:19.01 | surrounder | ward_: yeah don't know how it is down south really |
| 10:19.05 | MrWGW | well, on Thursday, for instance, I drove 200 miles |
| 10:19.06 | liable | tech_: it does as soon as you edit it |
| 10:19.07 | MrWGW | in LA freeways |
| 10:19.08 | tralala | tech_, restart your browser |
| 10:19.14 | surrounder | MrWGW: ... ouch |
| 10:19.14 | Arafangion | ward_: Just apply anyway - employers seem to like to apply for everything under the sun. |
| 10:19.15 | MrWGW | if I can do that you can surely walk on over to "the NL" |
| 10:19.23 | MrWGW | surrounder: the pain was lessend by my car |
| 10:19.26 | ward_ | surrounder, limburg is a bad region for IT, bith the dutch and belgian limburg |
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| 10:19.43 | Arafangion | grew up in country Australia... |
| 10:19.52 | MrWGW | a 2007 Dodge Charger R/T with a 350 HP Hemi, RWD, and a perfect 50/50 weight distribution really brightens ones outlook on commutes |
| 10:20.06 | surrounder | hmmm |
| 10:20.14 | surrounder | don't like american cars tbh :P |
| 10:20.20 | MrWGW | and they don't like you either |
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| 10:20.28 | ward_ | lol |
| 10:20.34 | MrWGW | loves the mean snarly expression on the front fascia of the Charger |
| 10:20.56 | ward_ | go for german cars :p |
| 10:21.01 | surrounder | italian! |
| 10:21.02 | surrounder | :P |
| 10:21.07 | Kovensky | japanese :P |
| 10:21.11 | tech_ | traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 10:21.11 | tech_ | how do I fix that? |
| 10:21.12 | ward_ | nah they wont even start in the winder lol |
| 10:21.23 | surrounder | ward_: details :P |
| 10:21.27 | MrWGW | well strictly speaking, the Charger is in part a German car |
| 10:21.28 | ward_ | winter |
| 10:21.29 | citizen42alpha | I don't like gas powered cars. |
| 10:21.29 | citizen42alpha | electric FTW ! |
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| 10:21.36 | MrWGW | the LX platform was derived from the E class Mercedes |
| 10:21.47 | MrWGW | so the transmission and parts of the chassis are the same |
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| 10:21.49 | Kovensky | ward_: o_O |
| 10:21.51 | MrWGW | the bodywork and engine are different |
| 10:21.54 | surrounder | MrWGW: ah sweet |
| 10:22.03 | surrounder | MrWGW: an american car that doesnt handle like a wet sponge? :P |
| 10:22.04 | surrounder | runs |
| 10:22.06 | ward_ | Kovensky, :O |
| 10:22.09 | ward_ | ? |
| 10:22.14 | MrWGW | see Daimler used to own Chrylser, in fact mine was made I believe about the time they spun it off |
| 10:22.25 | Kovensky | ward_: what won't even start in the winter? |
| 10:22.25 | MrWGW | surrounder: it's an R/T, it has a sport tuned suspension |
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| 10:22.29 | MrWGW | it also has a large rear seat |
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| 10:22.41 | MrWGW | in terms of Italian cars, I'm also covered there, with my Ferarri 308 GTB |
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| 10:22.57 | ward_ | Kovensky, a lamborghini lol |
| 10:22.57 | MrWGW | the wet sponge effect is provided by my Crown Imperial, which also has a hemi |
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| 10:23.11 | Kovensky | MrWGW: you get paid well ._. |
| 10:23.20 | ward_ | lol i was thinking the same |
| 10:23.22 | MrWGW | nah, the Crown Imperial and the Ferrari I bought from my father two years ago |
| 10:23.30 | MrWGW | at a discounted price, to help him out financially |
| 10:23.36 | MrWGW | he still drives them, I don't even know how to work a stick |
| 10:23.40 | MrWGW | but they are technically mine |
| 10:23.43 | ward_ | haha |
| 10:23.51 | MrWGW | the Imperial is automatic |
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| 10:23.52 | MrWGW | so I could drive it |
| 10:23.55 | ward_ | over here we learn to drive with sticks :) |
| 10:23.55 | MrWGW | but it badly needs restoration |
| 10:24.05 | MrWGW | the interior is filled with dust and the brakes are bad |
| 10:24.12 | ward_ | i cannot handle a automatic in fact |
| 10:24.16 | MrWGW | the Imperial is slightly longer than the Charger and has a shouffers division, but is narrower |
| 10:24.20 | surrounder | automatic-- |
| 10:24.22 | MrWGW | ward_: over here also, except for me |
| 10:24.25 | MrWGW | I'm a lazy SOB |
| 10:24.30 | ward_ | lol |
| 10:24.31 | MrWGW | that said I can paddle-shift my Charger |
| 10:24.43 | ward_ | you should get tiptronic, the best of both |
| 10:24.50 | MrWGW | that's basically what it has |
| 10:24.55 | MrWGW | I just don't do it because it scares me |
| 10:25.06 | MrWGW | most Americans know how to work a stick and many prefer it, I don't |
| 10:25.06 | ward_ | tiptronic is nice |
| 10:25.21 | MrWGW | I'd prefer to let the machine figure out what ratio it needs |
| 10:25.27 | MrWGW | I also really like CVT |
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| 10:25.37 | MrWGW | which that one Dutch car had |
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| 10:25.48 | MrWGW | pioneered, in fact |
| 10:25.53 | voltage__ | An auto tranny has a torque converter so 15% loss of horse power (give or take) |
| 10:25.58 | MrWGW | oh btw, its weird, but I've been to Luxembourg, but not the Netherlands |
| 10:26.02 | ceil420 | how do i cd to a folder that starts with -? |
| 10:26.11 | MrWGW | voltage: transmission surely |
| 10:26.14 | ward_ | MrWGW, large difference :p |
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| 10:26.27 | MrWGW | ward_: yeah its weird how different Luxembourg, Belgium and Germany look |
| 10:26.34 | surrounder | .nl is just flat :P |
| 10:26.37 | EmleyMoor | I will be back later |
| 10:26.37 | MrWGW | almost the second the train to Luxembourg crossed the border I noticed a difference |
| 10:26.46 | MrWGW | I spent the night there, then went to Brussels |
| 10:26.48 | ward_ | MrWGW, in Luxembough they speak some funky german |
| 10:26.49 | Kovensky | ceil420: put a './' before it |
| 10:26.53 | MrWGW | and again there was a difference going into Belgium |
| 10:26.55 | Kovensky | ceil420: or do 'cd -- folder' |
| 10:27.06 | ceil420 | cheers |
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| 10:27.16 | MrWGW | that was also IIRC an area where General Patton was quite active in WW II, he's one of my personal heros |
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| 10:27.17 | MrWGW | heroes |
| 10:27.23 | ward_ | over here in belgium we actually have 3 official languages: french, dutch and german (i speak dutch) |
| 10:27.32 | MrWGW | Flemish surely? |
| 10:27.39 | MrWGW | and your French-speaking people are called Waloons |
| 10:27.45 | ward_ | yes flemish but thats just dutch with a other accent |
| 10:27.45 | MrWGW | I did not know that German was official in Belgium though |
| 10:27.49 | ward_ | its all dutch |
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| 10:27.59 | MrWGW | what about Afrikaaners, can you communicate wtih them? |
| 10:28.13 | ward_ | MrWGW, we got a very small piece of germany after the war and most people living there speak german lol |
| 10:28.14 | Kovensky | man, swfdec is SLOW :/ |
| 10:28.17 | MrWGW | its weird btw, but I've seen Old Dutch |
| 10:28.21 | MrWGW | and it looks a lot like Modern English |
| 10:28.23 | surrounder | easier to understand afrikaans then flemmish :P |
| 10:28.23 | MrWGW | very similiar in fact |
| 10:28.24 | Kovensky | and I can't get flashplugin-nonfree to work with nspluginwrapper |
| 10:28.37 | MrWGW | ward_: I should visit that area |
| 10:28.44 | avtobiff | Kovensky, have you tried gnash? |
| 10:28.47 | ward_ | MrWGW, yes africans speak allmost the same, they can understand us and we can understand them, but its liek a really funky dialect |
| 10:28.51 | Kovensky | avtobiff: nope |
| 10:28.58 | avtobiff | Kovensky, i don't know if it is any faster. just wanted to hear if you knew. |
| 10:28.59 | Kovensky | I'll try it when I'm back from college then |
| 10:28.59 | avtobiff | k |
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| 10:29.03 | MrWGW | I'm partially, to a small degree, of Dutch ancestry |
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| 10:29.23 | surrounder | ward_: I have some friends from Oostende, the first half hour I talked to them IRL I didn't understand a word they were saying :P |
| 10:29.24 | MrWGW | my ancestor William Golden married a Dutch woman IIRC prior to migrating to what is now the US in 1624 |
| 10:29.26 | Kovensky | has italian and dutch ancestry |
| 10:29.37 | MrWGW | from his name is where the WG in my username appears |
| 10:29.48 | ward_ | surrounder, thats not flemish :p thats gibberish without the letter G |
| 10:29.52 | surrounder | hahaha |
| 10:29.58 | ward_ | they pronounce every G as H |
| 10:30.01 | ward_ | its SO annoying |
| 10:30.08 | MrWGW | there are some accents in parts of the UK that are moderately hard to parse |
| 10:30.12 | ward_ | i studied in kortrijk |
| 10:30.19 | ward_ | in kortrijk they speak even worse |
| 10:30.23 | cph_ | hi, I've taken over the maintainance of a server which has "lenny/sid" installed on it (the date of the /etc/issue file is April 24 2007). I'm trying to get libapache2-mod-python installed but apt-get is trying to update several packages including bringing python 2.4 to 2.5. Is there anywhere I can get a .deb for lenny around April 24 2007 ? |
| 10:30.24 | surrounder | ward_: ouch :P |
| 10:30.37 | MrWGW | but IMO English sucks, because most of the English accents and dialects just sound like brain-damaged English |
| 10:30.46 | MrWGW | i.e. they just seem like bad grammar |
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| 10:30.56 | surrounder | MrWGW: ah well, it's an easy language to learn I guess |
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| 10:31.57 | karmatronic | cph_: well . if you cant upgrade the machine,you shouldnt be running lenny .... |
| 10:32.10 | ward_ | one of my friends was there too a year before i came there, and they smoked too much of the green stuff in their "kot" so the woman who rented it to them was complaining, and the limburg guy didnt understand her so he said 'erm... yes?' hahaha |
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| 10:32.26 | karmatronic | cph_: have you tried the etch package for libapache2-mod-python |
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| 10:32.36 | MrWGW | I speak it natively being an American, but there are only three basic English accents that IMO are respectable: Received Pronunciation, or basically the kind of educated English sound, the educated American accent, cooler, crisper and slightly more rational than Received, and finally the so called "Mid atlantic" accent which is a hybrid of the above, and was spoken by persons such as Cary Grant and James Mason |
| 10:32.37 | MrWGW | among others |
| 10:32.57 | ward_ | surrounder, ':O EN HE HEEFT HET NOH TOE OK?' ('and you even admit it :o') |
| 10:33.13 | MrWGW | there are a few other variations which are cool also |
| 10:33.20 | MrWGW | some people with Southern accents in the US sound nice |
| 10:33.20 | surrounder | ward_: hhahah nice |
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| 10:33.30 | voltage__ | hicks ya mean? |
| 10:33.41 | MrWGW | voltage: most people from the South sound like hicks |
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| 10:33.50 | MrWGW | but a few manage to sound rather posh |
| 10:33.55 | voltage__ | Even people in South Caralina |
| 10:33.57 | MrWGW | I also like the Scottish accent |
| 10:34.03 | MrWGW | no, not people in South Caralina |
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| 10:34.18 | surrounder | MrWGW: I have a polish friend who stayed in the US for some time and about a year ago some of them came over to .nl, was the first time I heard someone talk with a texas accent IRL and I laughed my arse off :P |
| 10:34.21 | voltage__ | I know at least one lol |
| 10:34.21 | MrWGW | actually specifically, I like the accent of Cajuns and the accent of people in Natchez, Mississippi |
| 10:34.27 | ward_ | surrounder, yeah it was hilarious that he said yes because he didnt understand her |
| 10:34.38 | surrounder | ward_: hehehe |
| 10:34.39 | MrWGW | surrounder: texan accents are amusing |
| 10:34.43 | MrWGW | I can do one |
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| 10:34.52 | surrounder | MrWGW: haha cool |
| 10:34.55 | MrWGW | I'm a Californian, so I can also do two great local accents |
| 10:35.00 | ceil420 | my sister has a deep texan accent, but i don't |
| 10:35.03 | ward_ | MrWGW, imo people from the UK have a much nicer accent then average americans |
| 10:35.04 | ceil420 | i swear she's faking it :x |
| 10:35.17 | MrWGW | the Los Angeles quasi-Jewish influenced "valley boy" accent, and the annoying North Valley/Central Valley hick accent |
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| 10:35.31 | ward_ | the most funny accent is a german speaking english |
| 10:35.38 | MrWGW | the former is characterized pronounciation of "do" and so forth as "deewwwwwwww" |
| 10:35.43 | MrWGW | as in "What I'll deewwwwwwwwww" |
| 10:35.44 | MrWGW | etc |
| 10:35.51 | MrWGW | and by excessive use of "issues" instead of "problems" |
| 10:36.01 | MrWGW | and the presence of Jewish-inspired verbiage like "Schlep" |
| 10:36.12 | MrWGW | and of course, the classic Southern Californian accentual trait: freeway nomenclature |
| 10:36.22 | MrWGW | in SoCal, all Freeways are pronounced starting with "The" |
| 10:36.28 | MrWGW | its not Highway 118, its The 118 |
| 10:36.31 | MrWGW | its not Interstate 5, its The 5 |
| 10:36.36 | MrWGW | we've started doing it for counties also |
| 10:36.39 | MrWGW | hence "The OC" |
| 10:36.42 | ward_ | you should watch the episode of southpark with the people from the future :D |
| 10:36.46 | ceil420 | it's just the number here :p |
| 10:36.48 | MrWGW | "the SB" for San Bernardino |
| 10:36.55 | MrWGW | and I' |
| 10:37.00 | ceil420 | "take 35 to 635" etc |
| 10:37.02 | MrWGW | I've started calling Ventura County "the VC" |
| 10:37.28 | voltage__ | haha |
| 10:37.32 | voltage__ | whats next? |
| 10:37.51 | ward_ | you should reverse the letters of each work but not the words itself :p |
| 10:37.56 | MrWGW | here its "There's a sig alert due to a four car head on on the 405 Southbound near Sunset Boulevard, and the 10 is slow from Grand east to the 5" |
| 10:37.58 | ward_ | work == word |
| 10:38.04 | simonrvn | highway names like that are rather common. up here we do the same |
| 10:38.04 | simonrvn | . |
| 10:38.07 | MrWGW | sig alert is a local term meaning traffic jam |
| 10:38.11 | MrWGW | and lanes are referred to by numbers |
| 10:38.18 | MrWGW | there's a bizarre jargon used by SoCal traffic reporters |
| 10:38.27 | ceil420 | left, right, and center lane, here |
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| 10:38.33 | ceil420 | or "two right lanes are blocked..." etc |
| 10:38.34 | MrWGW | now, then, the NorCal hick accent is dramatically different |
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| 10:38.49 | ward_ | yeah here in belgium you have for instance "the E-313" and in holland for instance "the A2" |
| 10:38.50 | MrWGW | in the North Valley, freeways are not prefixed with "the" |
| 10:39.05 | MrWGW | in fact there's only one, really, where the 99, or Highway 99, as they call it, passes through CHico |
| 10:39.09 | MrWGW | and other large cities |
| 10:39.18 | MrWGW | Almonds are not "al-monds" but rather "aahmonds" |
| 10:39.22 | ward_ | yeah but its not comparable with belgium :p |
| 10:39.26 | MrWGW | apricots are not "ah-pricots" but rather "aypricots" |
| 10:39.26 | ward_ | america is huge |
| 10:39.28 | MrWGW | its really really annoying |
| 10:39.53 | ceil420 | what's caramel? :x |
| 10:39.57 | MrWGW | ward_ yeah the US has lots of accents |
| 10:40.00 | MrWGW | ceil: dunno |
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| 10:40.08 | voltage__ | Canada is bigger than US but it's cold as hel l and dark a lot. |
| 10:40.09 | MrWGW | in Washington State they append everything with "so" |
| 10:40.16 | MrWGW | Well, he didn't do that thing, so... |
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| 10:40.23 | ward_ | MrWGW, i meant the highway is not comparable with the ones from here |
| 10:40.31 | MrWGW | ward: yeah |
| 10:40.35 | ward_ | belgium is compact |
| 10:40.41 | MrWGW | your rail system is awesome |
| 10:40.43 | MrWGW | I love Belgium |
| 10:40.47 | MrWGW | I've travelled in Europe quite a bit |
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| 10:41.08 | MrWGW | a dream of mine is to restore teh US passenger rail network to its former glory, bring it up to contemporary European standards |
| 10:41.11 | ward_ | lol the rail system is one of the things that get many attention in the media |
| 10:41.16 | ward_ | because they say it sucks lol |
| 10:41.20 | MrWGW | the sad part is in 1950, or heck, in 1900, the US rail system would've kicked your ass |
| 10:41.34 | MrWGW | with heavy track, smooth, relatively straight lines, intensive service, superb standards |
| 10:41.39 | MrWGW | and now, its just so lame |
| 10:41.44 | simonrvn | rail is making a comeback here, for communting |
| 10:41.46 | MrWGW | it basically fell to pieces in just 20 years |
| 10:41.47 | ward_ | lol its not about having the best or greatest |
| 10:41.51 | MrWGW | between 1950 and 1971 |
| 10:41.54 | diveli | i like the rail system in Rennes France... no drivers... i suspect the trains run on Linux :) |
| 10:42.01 | koollman | ward_: it sucks, but less than some other places ;) |
| 10:42.03 | surrounder | http://funnypics.free.fr/explorer/public/gifs/worldaccordingtoamerica.gif - I still love this one :P |
| 10:42.11 | MrWGW | diveli: Line 14 of the Paris Metro runs on VMS |
| 10:42.20 | simonrvn | commuting* |
| 10:42.20 | diveli | haha |
| 10:42.24 | simonrvn | is lagging due to 2 running OSes |
| 10:42.29 | ward_ | koollman, yeah i think the price is really really fair here though, i must say that oto |
| 10:42.41 | ward_ | in holand for instance its WAY more expensive while its so close |
| 10:42.45 | MrWGW | surrounder: that's a triffle jingoist and anti American IMO, and also stupid and misinformed |
| 10:42.46 | ward_ | even the busses |
| 10:42.55 | MrWGW | considering that the majority of Americans travel abroad, often extensively |
| 10:43.09 | MrWGW | and at the same time the US is a top international tourism destination |
| 10:43.11 | MrWGW | and this is superb |
| 10:43.12 | ceil420 | not really... |
| 10:43.26 | MrWGW | ist just like any other country with some degree of monah |
| 10:43.27 | ceil420 | i think most americans haven't even left their home state |
| 10:43.28 | ward_ | i never been to the US lol |
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| 10:43.47 | koollman | ward_: indeed. cheap beer, cheap rail system. So, you can drink, and don't need a car to come back home \o/ ;) |
| 10:43.50 | surrounder | well, I've met quite a lot of americans who asked me where in .nl I were from, like norway? :P |
| 10:43.53 | ward_ | i will never go to the US either as long as bush has something to say there :) |
| 10:44.00 | surrounder | no way I will travel there |
| 10:44.29 | MrWGW | ward_: well, contrary to popular opinion, I don't own a revolver, I've never eaten a baby, and I don't bathe myself in nuclear waste |
| 10:44.31 | MrWGW | :-p |
| 10:44.34 | ceil420 | not every american is geographically retarded ;x |
| 10:44.42 | ceil420 | i can point out Iraq on a map |
| 10:44.43 | MrWGW | ward: well, alas, your loss |
| 10:44.46 | ceil420 | and i could do it BEFORE 2002 |
| 10:44.46 | MrWGW | I'm a registered Republican |
| 10:44.50 | surrounder | ceil420: lol |
| 10:44.54 | surrounder | hmmm, lunchtime |
| 10:44.54 | petemc | ... |
| 10:45.06 | ward_ | MrWGW, lol i dont have a problem with americans in general, jsut with bush and a few others |
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| 10:45.12 | ward_ | bush being the most important |
| 10:45.14 | MrWGW | has Bush ever personally harmed you? |
| 10:45.25 | MrWGW | did he like show up at your house at 3 AM and key your car? |
| 10:45.27 | ward_ | lol has hitler ever personally harmed you? |
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| 10:45.32 | ceil420 | idd |
| 10:45.35 | ward_ | no right? does that make him a good guy? |
| 10:45.37 | MrWGW | likening Bush to Hitler is perhaps a bit extreme? :-p |
| 10:45.45 | petemc | what has any of this go to do with debian? |
| 10:45.49 | ceil420 | MrWGW, hardly |
| 10:45.53 | MrWGW | petemc: yeah fair enough |
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| 10:46.01 | MrWGW | we should take this to offtopic |
| 10:46.12 | ward_ | lol /join #debian-offtopic :) |
| 10:46.30 | ward_ | sorry petemc |
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| 10:47.13 | lazyfrosch | Looks like ICQ has changed their protocol again, anyone who has a active ICQ connection with pidgin? |
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| 10:55.15 | guysoft42 | hey, if i want to create a patch for a source package, i need to place it at /debian/patches, right? anything else/ |
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| 10:55.17 | guysoft42 | ?* |
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| 10:59.30 | Octalot | guysoft42: I think it needs to be listed in debian/patches/series too |
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| 11:18.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:18.09 | dpkg | well, qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 11:28.53 | guysoft422 | avtobiff, Octalot , whats quilt? |
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| 11:29.03 | avtobiff | guysoft422, it is a patch-system |
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| 11:29.31 | avtobiff | guysoft422, if you are using patches in your package you need a patch system. either quilt, dpatch or manually run patch |
| 11:30.26 | guysoft422 | avtobiff, how to i make the system choose one? |
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| 11:31.26 | avtobiff | guysoft422, google for quilt debian |
| 11:31.31 | avtobiff | guysoft422, or dpatch debian |
| 11:31.40 | avtobiff | guysoft422, i can recommend quilt, i use it |
| 11:31.48 | avtobiff | guysoft422, this is a good resource http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html |
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| 11:38.45 | Octalot | guysoft422: are you wanting to make a package for distribution; or are you wanting to make a patch for a bug that can be sent to the package maintainer? |
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| 12:09.17 | mythomaniac | after installing adobe acrobat, sun-java, and cream the update tray notifier states, "an error occurred... the error message was: Unknown Error <type exceptions.systemerror> (E:could not open file /var/lib/synaptic preferences -open (13 permission denied) this means installed packages have unmet dependencies - btw i'm on lenny |
| 12:09.55 | mythomaniac | can anyone help me? |
| 12:11.16 | themill | How did you install these packages? |
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| 12:11.54 | petemc | themill: formail what you're after? |
| 12:12.11 | Misterjos | !lenny |
| 12:12.11 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 12:12.34 | Misterjos | !lenny status |
| 12:12.34 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | Misterjos: msg the bot please |
| 12:13.00 | Misterjos | ah ok, sry |
| 12:14.27 | Misterjos | btw abrotman can i ask a question? i have some backports installed on my debian etch like pidgin and openoffice, can i safely upgrade to lenny without changes, or do i have to deinstall those backports first? |
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| 12:14.55 | mythomaniac | themill through synaptic |
| 12:15.32 | themill | mythomaniac: well adobe acrobat is not in debian, so you've done something else too... |
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| 12:16.25 | mythomaniac | themill, i used debian multimedia repo; also while issuing apt-get --fix-broken, i get: E: Command line option 'i' [from -fix-broken] is not known. |
| 12:17.03 | themill | mythomaniac: try apt-get -f install |
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| 12:18.36 | etchgroup | hello, |
| 12:18.57 | etchgroup | it's possible to mount several tunnel ssh in one command line ? please |
| 12:20.04 | mythomaniac | themill thank you |
| 12:20.04 | themill | petemc: not quite, but it's a good start. The data isn't actually coming by email, it's a calendar server that sends an ics file QP-encoded and with a mime header. |
| 12:20.05 | themill | mythomaniac: all sorted then? |
| 12:20.42 | konnertz | hi, pls i am looking for php5dom package, any idea about it? |
| 12:21.05 | mythomaniac | themill well not sure because i uninstall'd the packages, am re installing them now ;) |
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| 12:22.47 | etchgroup | someboby cna help me please §? |
| 12:23.14 | joltcan | etchgroup: Watcha mean? many -L ? |
| 12:23.29 | mythomaniac | themill strange, while uninstall'd apt-get -f install stated, The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: unixodbc odbcinst1debian1 libxul0d libmozjs0d libxul-common libxp6 |
| 12:23.29 | mythomaniac | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. However, while being installed again i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 12:24.28 | etchgroup | I have three tunnel ssh to mount |
| 12:24.34 | etchgroup | and it's three command line |
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| 12:24.49 | etchgroup | but it's possible ton mount in one command line please ? |
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| 12:25.40 | rvsjoen | huh ? |
| 12:25.52 | rvsjoen | just separate the commands by ; |
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| 12:26.30 | etchgroup | nothing in option ssh ? |
| 12:26.54 | joltcan | etchgroup: I just don't understand what you mean with tunnel ssh. Is that a ssh connection that has tunnel options, or just ssh connections? |
| 12:27.16 | aliases123 | hi does anyone know how i can match a given kernel / where i can do that against known vulnerabilities. |
| 12:27.23 | etchgroup | I use ssh for open tunnel |
| 12:27.32 | themill | dpkg: tell aliases123 about debsecan |
| 12:27.43 | etchgroup | and I doing three commande line for open three tunnel |
| 12:28.01 | etchgroup | It's possible to open three tunnel in one commande line ? |
| 12:28.05 | etchgroup | for speed |
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| 12:28.11 | etchgroup | for more speed |
| 12:28.13 | joltcan | etchgroup: three tunnels to one specific remote host? |
| 12:28.21 | etchgroup | yes |
| 12:28.22 | rvsjoen | why would that make a difference ? |
| 12:28.47 | rvsjoen | unless you connect the three over different links |
| 12:28.47 | stew | etchgroup: you are using -R and/or -L to create the tunnels? |
| 12:28.51 | etchgroup | ok |
| 12:28.56 | etchgroup | thansk stew |
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| 12:28.59 | joltcan | etchgroup: ssh foo -Lport:ip:port? -L port:ip:port...? |
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| 12:29.12 | aliases123 | yep i used that. but of course it doesn't work for custom kernels. |
| 12:29.14 | Rockj | Hi, I'm wondering if anyone could help me with schroot. Ive debootstrap installed an 32bit etch install on amd64. But I have troubles getting into my chroot with schroot. |
| 12:29.14 | joltcan | etchgroup: just add many -L |
| 12:29.17 | stew | etchgroup: you can specify multiple -L or -R options to the same command |
| 12:29.20 | Rockj | http://rafb.net/p/2xVtTI96.html |
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| 12:30.50 | stew | Rockj: that is telling you that /var/chroot/etch32/var/chroot/etch32/ doesn't exist, so that after it chroots to /var/chroot/etch32/ it is unable to cd /var/chroot/etch32/ |
| 12:31.15 | Rockj | stew: oh. |
| 12:31.31 | Rockj | so edit schroot.conf location to etch32 only then :) |
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| 12:32.20 | stew | Rockj: specify -d relative to the chroot (or not at all) |
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| 12:32.51 | nvz | wow, is my connection really so crappy I can't even stay on IRC today?! |
| 12:33.08 | joltcan | nvz: get a bouncer |
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| 12:34.01 | nvz | I don't currently have any other boxes I can bounce off of. |
| 12:34.18 | nvz | I'm in the middle of nowhere running 4 machines off one USB cell modem |
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| 12:34.33 | joltcan | nvz: Not the best setup for stability, I imagine |
| 12:34.47 | nvz | yeah. |
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| 12:35.08 | nvz | well the only thing really happening is an IRC connection on this box and a single web page connection on another |
| 12:35.23 | nvz | one of the 4 is currently in the middle of an OS reinstall for WinXP Pro SP3 |
| 12:35.45 | nvz | and the other is just the gateway which is doing nothing other than that except being my synergy server |
| 12:36.04 | nvz | and I got them all connected using a 100BaseT switch |
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| 12:37.20 | Rockj | stew: working now. Just need to make sure that I stand in / before executing schroot -c etch32 :) Just trying to see if I can get /etc/debian_chroot to work now. so it shows which chroot I'am in |
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| 12:37.54 | Dakylla | hi |
| 12:37.58 | PetoKraus | hello, can someone help me with lirC? |
| 12:38.13 | Dakylla | i've an ultra10 sun |
| 12:38.24 | PetoKraus | i can get the data from the receiver, but the lircd doesn't want to start, saying, that module mceusb2 is not supported... |
| 12:38.24 | Dakylla | i installed debian via boot net |
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| 12:38.39 | Dakylla | but i've this error, the system refuse to boot : |
| 12:38.41 | Dakylla | boot device disk:a file and args "teh fiel just loaded does not appear to be executable" |
| 12:38.57 | Dakylla | boot device disk:a file and args the file just loaded does not appear to be executable |
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| 12:39.05 | Dakylla | what does this mean please ? |
| 12:39.16 | Dakylla | what to do to solve the problem ? |
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| 12:43.27 | tralala | Dakylla, take the floppy disk out of the drive? |
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| 12:43.45 | Dakylla | i've no flooy in the drive |
| 12:43.57 | Dakylla | floppy |
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| 12:47.12 | RoyalKnight | i have/need a shell script (sh), calling another shell script (php). the argc and argv-arguments in the php-script are not set, so i think the sh-script-call is wrong: /var/www/typo3/cli_dispatch.phpsh crawler >> /var/www/html/log.txt |
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| 12:48.08 | Dakylla | no idea ? |
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| 12:50.54 | cousin_luigi | hi, again |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 12:50.56 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
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| 12:51.10 | cousin_luigi | very likely a FAQ, but is there a tentative date for Lenny release? |
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| 12:51.37 | abrotman | !tell cousin_luigi about wwlr |
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| 12:52.22 | cousin_luigi | noticed there are more than 1000 |
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| 12:52.41 | PingOOs | Hye everybody |
| 12:52.53 | PingOOs | I'm facing a strange pb on my server |
| 12:53.00 | PingOOs | apache2 related |
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| 12:53.06 | PingOOs | any body interested ? |
| 12:53.15 | simonrvn | just spit it out... |
| 12:53.26 | nvz | you need some jelly to go with your pb? |
| 12:53.37 | PingOOs | Some of the 15 backend in a spool of web server |
| 12:53.38 | nvz | oh, wow, we have a volenteer here named jelly.. |
| 12:53.45 | cousin_luigi | bye! |
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| 12:53.49 | nvz | acts surprised |
| 12:54.03 | jelly | nvz: cut it out! Triangle sammich style. |
| 12:54.04 | PingOOs | dont match a Deny directive |
| 12:54.14 | PingOOs | I have a order allow, deny |
| 12:54.18 | PingOOs | allow from all |
| 12:54.23 | PingOOs | deny from BLA.HOST |
| 12:54.34 | PingOOs | on 12 of the 15 it works |
| 12:54.35 | nvz | jelly: hello ;) |
| 12:54.38 | PingOOs | but not for the others |
| 12:54.47 | simonrvn | !tell PingOOs -about enter |
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| 12:55.41 | PingOOs | same configuration replicated via rsync on the machines |
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| 12:55.50 | jelly | PingOOs: does the reverse dns entry for bla.host's IP address match the forward entry? |
| 12:56.05 | PingOOs | in fact its an ip adress not a host |
| 12:56.12 | omry | it it possible to get gcc 4.3 on etch? |
| 12:56.47 | PingOOs | what is very strange is that the configuation doesnt work on some machines |
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| 12:57.30 | simonrvn | doesn't work how? |
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| 12:57.51 | PingOOs | doenst macth deny rue |
| 12:57.55 | abrotman | omry: it probably wouldn't be a good idea |
| 12:58.01 | PingOOs | the deny rule, sorry .... |
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| 12:58.27 | omry | abrotman, I need to build something with 4.3, on etch. I don't have much of a choice. |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | why do you have to buld it on etch? and why with 4.3? |
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| 12:58.55 | PingOOs | More from the configuration, the servers are behind pound and the virtual hosts that receive the https originated requests listen on 8080 |
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| 12:59.07 | bman87 | Is anyone willing help me with IPtables? |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | there is #iptables |
| 12:59.24 | simonrvn | #iptables |
| 12:59.27 | bman87 | thanks |
| 12:59.32 | omry | abrotman, I developed it with 4.3, and I am creating a similar development environment on the production server. |
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| 12:59.49 | omry | abrotman, and right now it does not compile, and I suspect it's because of the gcc version. |
| 12:59.50 | PingOOs | I am using back ports for stable |
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| 13:00.28 | abrotman | guess you should have had your development environment match your production .. |
| 13:01.26 | abrotman | omry: what's the compile error? did you ask #gcc? can you rewrite it to work on 4.1? |
| 13:02.01 | PingOOs | any body with that kind of problem ? |
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| 13:02.29 | simonrvn | you sure the hosts are all the same, or similar enough? |
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| 13:02.37 | omry | abrotman, I am not 100% it's gcc fault, but it's my best guess. the problem is that right now I can't update from svn on the server due to a communication problem, so I can't be 100% certain it's exactly the same code that compiles on lenny. |
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| 13:02.58 | abrotman | omry: and the compile time error is some proprietary information? |
| 13:03.10 | omry | no, one moment. |
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| 13:03.52 | Henry-Nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm looking after a module that can replace the cband (for apache) module. I need to be able to setup monthly quota (eg. one website can use 100go/month), do you know any module able to do that ? |
| 13:04.33 | PingOOs | simonp, oh yes they are !! |
| 13:04.34 | abrotman | Henry-Nicolas: if you don't get an answer here, maybe ask #apache |
| 13:04.44 | PingOOs | simonrvn, yes they are |
| 13:05.15 | herakles | Hi, I'm looking for a way to install debian on a USB drive with everything encrypted. I've found a few how to but none of them was helpful. (Too old or not included encryption) |
| 13:06.48 | omry | abrotman, it looks like an include path issue. I include #include <libsvm/svm.h>, and libsvm is under the project root. but gcc 4.1 does not find it. |
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| 13:07.39 | omry | abrotman, ah, I know why |
| 13:07.53 | omry | my fault, I changed the build directory and I had an absolute path there. |
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| 13:11.22 | liable | if its not a standard include file, shouldn't it be "libsvm/svm.h" ? |
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| 13:12.29 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 13:12.34 | idimmu | afternoon |
| 13:12.40 | omry | liable, matter of style. it's not my code. |
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| 13:14.20 | dec3pti0n | how do I find out what package a file belongs too on debian ? I tried dpkg -S /path/to/file , is that corect ? |
| 13:15.28 | stew | dec3pti0n: that is correct |
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| 13:16.12 | trumpen | dec3pti0n, it's the correct command if the package is installed; use apt-file otherwise |
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| 13:18.44 | abrotman | omry: got it all working? |
| 13:18.55 | omry | abrotman, moved to the next problem. |
| 13:19.14 | screamingbytes | exit |
| 13:19.15 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:19.46 | wimpies | hi all, are there qt4.3 packages around for etch ? |
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| 13:20.43 | omry | abrotman, looks like a popular question :) |
| 13:21.02 | abrotman | wimpies: doesn't appear so |
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| 13:21.36 | wimpies | so I need to compile it myself ... |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | !tell wimpies about ssb |
| 13:22.14 | wimpies | ssb ? |
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| 13:29.28 | themill | wimpies: make sure you've got plenty of free disk space before you start compiling the backport. ISTR about 2GB is needed. |
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| 13:34.17 | torrr | is it possible to trigger a key artificially from xterm |
| 13:34.18 | danners | hi why is the kernel compiled with gcc4.1, while the rest is compiled with 4.3 (lenny) ? |
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| 13:36.36 | torrr | ? |
| 13:36.37 | mcr | is there a channel specific to dpkg and/or managing repos with apt-ftparchive ? |
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| 13:36.51 | abrotman | mcr: your distro channel |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | danners: checked teh BTS for a reason ? |
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| 13:37.17 | abrotman | torrr: like with "echo" ? |
| 13:37.23 | mcr | abrotman: yeah, but I'm the one creating a new repo to install on etch. |
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| 13:37.42 | abrotman | !repository |
| 13:37.42 | dpkg | debian repository is, like, a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 13:37.56 | torrr | abrotman, I want to trigger a mode switch of keyboard layout, so like ISO_NEXT_GROUP or waht it called |
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| 13:38.28 | abrotman | mode switch? |
| 13:38.35 | YurY_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7714722/ |
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| 13:38.41 | torrr | xmodmap -pke |
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| 13:39.16 | torrr | you will see lots of names for keys there |
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| 13:39.59 | torrr | one of them is Mode_Switch |
| 13:40.17 | umarzuki | hi guys, i want to learn making debian live cd which i hope will further my understanding on debian system |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | !tell umarzuki about livecd |
| 13:41.09 | umarzuki | nobody at #debian-live |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | on OFTC? |
| 13:41.29 | umarzuki | even it's website is not accessable |
| 13:41.55 | ezguy | umarzuki: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7246 |
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| 13:43.29 | ezguy | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/How_to_try_out_Debian_GNU/Linux_without_installing_it |
| 13:43.55 | umarzuki | ezguy: nice tutorial on live cd |
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| 13:44.54 | berzerka | abrotman: i'm asking myself the same as danners for quite some time, and i'm unable to find any related bug report. am i missing it? |
| 13:44.57 | umarzuki | but will it be possible for me to retain my wvdial config or preconfigure so i won't have to reconfig it over and over again? |
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| 13:46.39 | abrotman | berzerka: you or danners could ask #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | i don't have a sid box here to see if that situation has changed |
| 13:47.10 | berzerka | alright. |
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| 13:48.21 | dudumomo | Hi folks |
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| 13:48.45 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
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| 13:49.15 | edwin_quijada | There is an app for linux that can permit audit all users that has account in my system? |
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| 13:49.47 | edwin_quijada | I want to check all steps do a user when he is logged |
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| 13:51.53 | stew | edwin_quijada: snoopy |
| 13:52.29 | edwin_quijada | stew: snoopy ? |
| 13:52.37 | stew | yes |
| 13:52.37 | omry | mcr, try debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 13:53.01 | edwin_quijada | with this i can audit each login from my users |
| 13:53.02 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 13:53.16 | stew | edwin_quijada: yes. it will log every command to /var/log/auth.log |
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| 13:54.02 | edwin_quijada | stew: thks! |
| 13:54.15 | edwin_quijada | I 'll test rigth now |
| 13:55.39 | rahsputin | hi, i am looking for help with dfsbuild ... are there any uptodate documentations known for this subject? |
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| 13:59.20 | raz | anyone know a good tutorial about apt that explains how to install individual packages from unstable (or testing) but make the rest of the system stick to stable? |
| 13:59.56 | raz | i remember having to set some stuff in a config file... but well, lost it in the noise |
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| 14:00.46 | sep | !mixing stable and unstable |
| 14:00.46 | dpkg | well, mixing stable and unstable is discussed at http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2003/01/msg01679.html - talks about pinning etc |
| 14:00.53 | raz | aah pinning |
| 14:00.55 | raz | thx |
| 14:01.04 | raz | exactly what i was looking for |
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| 14:01.12 | sep | raz, please consider backports instead. since mixing is often hard, and can break in interesting ways |
| 14:01.46 | raz | sep, hmm. well, how would i go for it? i need a non-ancient version of git right now and installing from unstable seems like the easiest way? |
| 14:02.15 | stew | judd: versions git-core |
| 14:02.16 | judd | stew: git-core: 1:1.4.4.4-2 (etch) 1:1.4.4.4-2.1+etch1 (etch-security) 1:1.5.6.3-1+lenny2 (lenny-security) 1:1.5.6.5-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1:1.5.6.5-1 (lenny) 1:1.5.6.5-1 (sid) 1:1.6.0.1-1 (experimental) |
| 14:02.28 | sep | backport.org and look at the instructions |
| 14:02.30 | jelly | thatsa lotta versions |
| 14:02.31 | sep | backports.org and look at the instructions |
| 14:02.34 | trilobiti | I'm not very fond of pinning. As sep said, I have found myself wondering about odd things in the long run with the systems I tried that. Now I have forgotten about pinning altogether. |
| 14:02.45 | jelly | !pinning |
| 14:02.45 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 14:02.46 | stew | raz: backports has the same version as sid: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:03.07 | raz | aah interesting |
| 14:03.41 | sep | i use pinning between testing and unstable. but with stable it may or may not blow up in your face at any time. and i would never do that on a machine i would prefer was working |
| 14:04.13 | jelly | stew: and eek, version in etch-backports > version in testing, leading to possible broken upgrade |
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| 14:05.02 | stew | jelly: no, those are ordered in increasing version numbers, and etch-backports is odler than lenny, you are probably looking at the outdated lenny-security version |
| 14:05.23 | jelly | oh, right |
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| 14:05.42 | jelly | moves along |
| 14:06.27 | simonrvn | "move along, nothing to see here" / big burly cop taps his nightstick in his hand / |
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| 14:15.02 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:15.09 | gypsymauro | the password sotred in shadow are md5? |
| 14:15.12 | gypsymauro | stored |
| 14:15.23 | multiip | is there an apt repository for the latest packages (i.e. apache 2.2.9) |
| 14:15.43 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: yes, since a while now... |
| 14:15.49 | stew | gypsymauro: typically |
| 14:16.25 | vadmeste | i think it's called slat md5 |
| 14:16.29 | vadmeste | salt * |
| 14:16.33 | gypsymauro | tanx |
| 14:17.15 | aliases123 | can we change to blowfish ? |
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| 14:18.24 | simonrvn | yes it's salted |
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| 14:19.59 | joaop | there is something wrong with my apt, i dont know how to fix it, somebody can take a look pls ? http://pastebin.com/m111a310d |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | multiip: for which version fo debian? |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | joaop: try aptitude |
| 14:20.17 | multiip | 4 |
| 14:20.28 | abrotman | multiip: try backports.org |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | joaop: there's a problem with the package .. check the BTS |
| 14:20.54 | joaop | what's BTS ? |
| 14:21.21 | joaop | debhelper, bts ? |
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| 14:21.39 | abrotman | !btssmite joaop |
| 14:21.39 | dpkg | beats joaop around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if joaop is running Unstable |
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| 14:21.55 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 14:21.55 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 14:21.56 | fantasticmrfox | Hi, theres a few debian wallpapers with some babe/chic (I think thats how straight guys call them :P) on them... does anyone know of one with a cute guy on it? |
| 14:21.59 | stew | aliases123: apt-cache show libpam-unix2 |
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| 14:23.46 | multiip | is there much difference in apt-get and aptitude via commandline use? |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | !tell multiip about why aptitude |
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| 14:25.34 | multiip | :) |
| 14:26.40 | raz | !tell raz about why aptitude |
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| 14:26.49 | abrotman | !tell raz about selftell |
| 14:27.14 | raz | !tell abrotman thanks ;) |
| 14:28.10 | raz | btw, i'm still a bit confused about the relation between aptitude and apt-get |
| 14:28.37 | raz | on my ubuntu box aptitude seems to see some packages that apt-get doesn't. but maybe that's ubuntu specific? |
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| 14:29.07 | simonrvn | apt-get is more a proof of concept than anything |
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| 14:30.02 | raz | simonrvn, hm. well, in that light i must say it has served me well the past 5 years or so :) |
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| 14:30.52 | simonrvn | yeh, genius thing |
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| 14:36.19 | joaop | abrotman, there is nothing that i can do ? |
| 14:36.37 | joaop | i need install some programs and now i cant because of this problem |
| 14:36.50 | trilobiti | Someone tell me about selftell please ? |
| 14:38.04 | PetoKraus | !tell PetoKraus about why aptitude |
| 14:38.21 | PetoKraus | !tell PetoKraus about selftell |
| 14:39.15 | PetoKraus | nice |
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| 14:40.45 | abrotman | joaop: check the BTS for a fix |
| 14:41.24 | joaop | abrotman, checked, there isnt anything about my problem, already sent a bur report, but anyway i need work cant wait for a bugfix |
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| 14:41.32 | joaop | i need do something |
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| 14:49.49 | anddam | hello, I just safe-upgraded lenny and ssh-cert configure warned me about generating new key, I just pressed OK but should I actively do anything or was just pressing "OK" enough? |
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| 14:54.14 | anddam | it was ssl-cert, not ssh-cert, |
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| 14:56.49 | rax64 | wanna know if the debian sidux will be official released as debian 5 ? |
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| 14:57.27 | strawks | does anybody has experience with an ATI Radeon X1250 card? which driver to use (fglrx only?) and how well is it supported (dual-head, 2D & 3D, perf)? |
| 14:57.32 | stew | rax64: no, sidux has nothing to do with the debian project |
| 14:58.09 | stew | rax64: "lenny" the current "testing" version of debian will be released as debian 5.0 as soon as it is free of release critical bugs |
| 14:58.20 | liable | or is he confused and means sid? |
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| 14:59.29 | anddam | a-ha, so you guys are here |
| 14:59.43 | nvz | nvz |
| 14:59.46 | voltage__ | hailz |
| 15:00.20 | rax64 | ok, sidux [zi?d?ks] is a desktop-oriented operating system based on the "unstable" branch of Debian, which uses the codename Sid |
| 15:00.33 | rax64 | it just another distro? out of debian? |
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| 15:00.45 | liable | ok. see what stew said |
| 15:01.10 | anddam | rax64: that "based on" seems to suggest it |
| 15:01.19 | stew | rax64: sid is the codename for "debian unstable" which is where new packages are uploaded to sid. i believe sidux takes these packages and tries to make a release out of them, but sidux is a separate project from debian |
| 15:01.28 | stew | "are uploaded to unstable"* |
| 15:01.31 | rax64 | ok |
| 15:01.34 | stew | to debian |
| 15:01.35 | stew | jeez |
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| 15:02.40 | anddam | any hint about the ssl-cert question? Should I run reconfigure it? |
| 15:03.38 | rax64 | ok, i get the lenny amd64 then |
| 15:03.42 | rax64 | for my laptop |
| 15:03.47 | notnick | should be fine, dpkg should regenerate your key |
| 15:04.13 | anddam | notnick: me? |
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| 15:06.54 | abrotman | anddam: you can run the sshvulnkey thing to see if they are vulnerable |
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| 15:07.18 | Usuario03 | hello |
| 15:07.32 | Usuario03 | can you helpme |
| 15:07.44 | Usuario03 | with shadow files |
| 15:07.51 | stew | Usuario03: if you have a quesiton, just ask it |
| 15:07.56 | notnick | anddam: yup, dpkg should regenerate you ssh keys if need be |
| 15:07.56 | notnick | and install a list of blacklisted keys. |
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| 15:08.04 | anddam | notnick: thanks |
| 15:08.24 | anddam | my question was mainly dued to the fact that I didn't actually read the screen and just pressed OK |
| 15:08.51 | anddam | not the wisest of me but I trust aptitude |
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| 15:10.30 | anirudh0 | hi..My system arch is x86_64...however aptitude is downloading the amd64 versions of packages.. |
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| 15:11.51 | kooll | anirudh0: it's ok |
| 15:12.00 | ribasushi_ | hi |
| 15:12.08 | anirudh0 | kooll, the two are the same? |
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| 15:12.16 | ribasushi_ | where do I get an apt sources list for etch again? |
| 15:12.27 | ribasushi_ | the official ones that is |
| 15:12.28 | kooll | anirudh0: yes. well, some specific differences exist, but in that context, they are equivalent |
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| 15:14.05 | gpm | hi guys. i had a wireless usb card that was working fine for a few days until last night, now when i try restarting the networking init.d script, i see this error: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready, any clues? |
| 15:15.09 | anddam | abrotman: just ran "ssh-vulnkey -v .ssh/*" no blacklisted keys |
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| 15:15.22 | anddam | is there a system key that I should check? |
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| 15:17.21 | valdyn | gpm: just means that its not associated to an ap |
| 15:17.43 | gpm | why would it start doing this when it worked fine before? |
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| 15:22.53 | abrotman | anddam: if you run sshd yes |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | but those are likely the ones that got regenerated |
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| 15:23.43 | anddam | abrotman: I do run sshd, what should I check? |
| 15:23.48 | abrotman | the keys |
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| 15:24.10 | anddam | abrotman: I meant where are them, /etc/ssh ? |
| 15:24.18 | abrotman | they .. and yes |
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| 15:24.35 | anddam | abrotman: they, thanks |
| 15:24.56 | anddam | I wasn't sure, I deleted "they" and wrote "them" instea |
| 15:24.57 | anddam | instead |
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| 15:25.53 | anddam | mm a lot of "Unknown (blacklist file not installed)" |
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| 15:29.58 | bower | se me salio la lista de usuarios xD en el xchat XDD |
| 15:30.03 | bower | como la coloco |
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| 15:32.57 | kryl | please is there a way to give the password on the command line with cryptsetup ? |
| 15:33.02 | liable | !br |
| 15:33.02 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:33.06 | zeta | How do I resolve this error: libcurl3-openssl-dev: Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.15.5-1etch1) but 7.18.2-5 is to be installed |
| 15:33.53 | omry | I need to install some 32bit libraries on a 64bit etch in order to build a 32bit application. is it safe? how do I do that? (can't find a 32bit version of the library I need using apt-cache( |
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| 15:35.39 | keith4 | i bet there's a factoid for 32-bit chroot, but I don't know what it is |
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| 15:38.00 | stony | hi guys |
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| 15:38.23 | stony | in which package config does this dialog appear that asks for the services need to mount the rootfs - f.e. lvm or md ? |
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| 15:40.57 | omry | keith4, didn't think about chroot. is it really required? I can see I have at least some 32bit libs at /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
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| 15:41.17 | abbe | hi all |
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| 15:41.57 | abbe | can I use normal Lenny CD1 ISO for network installation (over PXE) also, hmm...? |
| 15:43.04 | petemc | i dont believe so |
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| 15:43.19 | petemc | its also worth noting the different between network installation and netboot |
| 15:43.26 | petemc | s/ent/ence/ |
| 15:43.26 | anddam | liable: wasn't it spanish? |
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| 15:44.03 | abbe | petemc: okay, what if I download separate netinst.iso and then use CD's stuff copied in some directory on local webserver as source for installation ? |
| 15:44.04 | jhamlin | I have some file that I can't delete because something is accesing it. How can I use lsof to tell me what process is accessing my file? |
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| 15:44.17 | abbe | jhamlin: lsof |fgrep <file> |
| 15:44.31 | abbe | jhamlin: better, lsof -n |fgrep <file> |
| 15:44.41 | jhamlin | abbe: thanks |
| 15:44.44 | petemc | abbe: if you want to use netboot, debian provides everything you need, and its documented how to use it |
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| 15:46.07 | abbe | petemc: okay, so netboot and net-installation are too different stuff aren't dependent on each other ? i.e. if I boot from normal CD, and want to install from Network, I can do it, right ? |
| 15:46.15 | jhamlin | abbe: hmmm doesn't return anything except "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev" |
| 15:46.22 | abbe | s/too diff/two diff/ |
| 15:46.35 | liable | anddam: dunno, i was tossing up between the two. pt won.. :) |
| 15:46.40 | ezguy | hi, is lenny stable now? |
| 15:46.49 | liable | not yet |
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| 15:47.01 | abbe | jhamlin: if you suspect any superuser process using that, use it with 'sudo' or 'su' |
| 15:47.08 | petemc | abbe: if you boot from the cd, you can grab the packages you need from the network - thats network installation, or netinst |
| 15:47.33 | petemc | if you use pxe to boot from the network, thats called netboot |
| 15:47.42 | ezguy | i thought i saw on linux mag that lenny is stable. |
| 15:48.24 | abbe | petemc: okay, but will booting from normal CD1 (which is around 700 MiB) let me do a netinstall, or I've to separately download netinst CD |
| 15:48.36 | abbe | petemc: CD1 is already downloaded on my box |
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| 15:49.14 | ezguy | liable: any ideas when it will becoming stable? |
| 15:49.58 | abbe | ezguy: when all release-critical bugs will be killed :) |
| 15:50.03 | liable | ezguy: when al the rc bugs are fixed :) should be reasonably sooni would think |
| 15:50.04 | anddam | how was that? "soon if you help" or something like that |
| 15:51.16 | abbe | petemc: s/CD$/CD ?/ |
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| 15:51.44 | ezguy | it upgrade to unstable lenny now and when it become a stable release i should be able to do do apt-get upgrade to get the stable update version, right? |
| 15:51.57 | ezguy | s/it/if i/ |
| 15:52.33 | abbe | ezguy: right, but make sure your sources.list contains lenny not testing :) |
| 15:52.54 | ezguy | good.. that what i did. |
| 15:52.58 | anddam | ezguy: probably safe-upgrade |
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| 15:59.26 | curtmack | oh you have got to be kidding me... |
| 15:59.41 | abrotman | ezguy: if your sources are pointing at lenny .. you do full-uprade til it's release |
| 15:59.46 | curtmack | so guys, I fixed the menu issues I was about to tell you about |
| 15:59.56 | abrotman | ezguy: or wait .. and do a huge one when it releases |
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| 16:00.11 | curtmack | turns out if one of your menu entries in /usr/share/menu is marked executable, it tries to execute it. |
| 16:00.30 | stew | ezguy: what do you mean by "unstable lenny" unstable and lenny are two different things |
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| 16:02.47 | curtmack | it also turns out that most entries in /usr/share/menu are not meant to be executed |
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| 16:03.15 | omry | I am trying to build a 32bit app on a 64bit debian, and one of the libs I am using is missing a 32bit version, or at least I can't find it in apt-cache (log4cpp). so I want to rebuild log4cpp as a 32bit binary. any pointers on how to do this? |
| 16:03.17 | curtmack | and that almost all of them were set as executable for reasons I cannot explain |
| 16:03.31 | anddam | what's the package for autotools ? |
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| 16:04.10 | curtmack | there's a package called autotools-dev |
| 16:04.11 | et | omry: why are you trying to build it as a 32bit app? |
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| 16:04.30 | stew | anddam: aptitude search autoconf automake libtool |
| 16:04.47 | stew | anddam: and you'll want the build-essential package |
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| 16:05.09 | omry | et, because it's a 32bit app. enough to say that some assembly sections there does not compile to 64bit. at some point I will port it to 64bit, but not now. |
| 16:05.21 | anddam | ah build-essentials |
| 16:05.25 | anddam | -essential |
| 16:05.34 | anddam | stew: I was trying to remember that |
| 16:06.07 | et | omry: well, you can setup a 32bit chroot |
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| 16:06.25 | mac123 | hi i want to check which file system my server running i am using debian etch |
| 16:06.43 | stew | mac123: "mount" will list all the mounted file systems |
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| 16:07.00 | omry | et, that's the best approach? I see I do have some 32bit libs at /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 16:07.26 | curtmack | mac123: and if you know where it's mounted, you can use "df /path/to/mount" |
| 16:07.39 | mac123 | trying it now :) |
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| 16:08.40 | mac123 | it shows file system as ext3 does it support files > then 8 GB |
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| 16:08.52 | et | omry: unless you want to create a 32-bit-package for the missing libs ... |
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| 16:09.03 | omry | et, that what I had in mind |
| 16:09.05 | omry | that |
| 16:09.07 | omry | that's |
| 16:09.18 | omry | I am just asking how that is done. |
| 16:09.26 | grul | sebbz, olle.kamp@gmail kanske |
| 16:09.34 | grul | uh :) sorry |
| 16:09.42 | stew | mac123: yes, i believe 2tb is the maximum for a file |
| 16:10.00 | omry | stew, it depends on the file system really., |
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| 16:10.20 | et | omry: he stated that it's ext3, and then 2tb is correct |
| 16:10.32 | voltage__ | nice. I just use EEPROM for moving files from windows/linux (until I figure out samba and add a fat32 drive or something) |
| 16:10.35 | screamingbytes | Can anyone explain to me the difference between menu and menu-xdg please... im trying to tblshoot some xfce issues |
| 16:10.36 | omry | ah, right. |
| 16:10.38 | et | omry: i don't know for sure, i would look at a source package for a 32bit-lib-package |
| 16:10.55 | mac123 | thx stew :) |
| 16:10.58 | et | see how it's done there, and replicate that |
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| 16:12.32 | curtmack | out of morbid curiosity, why exactly is being able to store files larger than 8 GB an issue? |
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| 16:13.49 | screamingbytes | dvd images |
| 16:13.54 | Xyc0 | curtmack: DVDs are 8 GB |
| 16:14.04 | Xyc0 | curtmack: BlueRay is 50 GB |
| 16:14.12 | curtmack | ah, okay then |
| 16:14.15 | Xyc0 | BluRay* |
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| 16:14.59 | curtmack | do we even have writeable BluRay drives for computers? |
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| 16:15.08 | r3c4ll | how i configure the primary ethernet card? eth0? |
| 16:15.40 | ameyer | curtmack: I think so |
| 16:16.01 | abrotman | !tell r3c4ll about interfaces |
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| 16:17.20 | curtmack | r3c4ll: also try lspci | grep Ethernet, if you don't see the brand name and/or model of your ethernet card, Linux might not recognize it |
| 16:17.39 | curtmack | in which case try updating your kernel |
| 16:17.43 | curtmack | but that's rather unlikely |
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| 16:27.52 | litwol|mac | hello i am new to debian |
| 16:28.01 | litwol|mac | i hope some one can help me with a few questions |
| 16:28.08 | litwol|mac | debian's default admin group. is it called 'adm' ? |
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| 16:29.12 | AleXXandEr | there is no group adm or admin |
| 16:29.21 | AleXXandEr | oh |
| 16:29.23 | stew | litwol|mac: adm is the one that can read log files, staff is the one tht gets write permissions to places like /usr/src /usr/local |
| 16:29.24 | AleXXandEr | sorry :) |
| 16:29.27 | stew | AleXXandEr: yes there is |
| 16:29.31 | AleXXandEr | it's called adm :) |
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| 16:29.59 | litwol|mac | stew: i am trying to add my local user name to sudoers file/group |
| 16:30.07 | litwol|mac | i was hoping to do it through group permissions |
| 16:30.14 | stew | litwol|mac: ok |
| 16:30.21 | litwol|mac | but i need to figure out which group to assign my user to and which group to give sudoers |
| 16:30.33 | litwol|mac | is it the right approach ? |
| 16:30.43 | litwol|mac | should i go with 'staff' sudoers or adm or create custom admin group ? |
| 16:30.48 | stew | litwol|mac: you are trying to give sudo access to just you, or to other people as well? |
| 16:31.14 | litwol|mac | this is my local VMWARE instance of debian. so only i will get access, but i want to practice group management |
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| 16:32.09 | stew | litwol|mac: then just add yourself instead of a group, or add a group containing only you |
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| 16:32.17 | sgala | hello! i'm using etch bind9 9.3.4-2etch3, i'm experiencing resolving problem on some domains... i discovered that when i have a cron that execute a "rndc stats" every 5 minutes i have the problem, otherwise no. i think that is wodoo... ideas? |
| 16:32.24 | litwol|mac | stew: sounds good. :) thank you. |
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| 16:33.15 | rahsputin | ciao !! how do i find out what firmware i am using on my Orinoco PCMCIA card |
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| 16:34.07 | peterS | sgala: I have noticed that on a fairly busy recursive nameserver, bind 9.5.1 beta2 has somewhat fewer problems than earlier releases, due to improved handling of the thousands of UDP sockets needed to randomize source ports. (the Dan Kaminsky security bug that got so much hoopla back in July) |
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| 16:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | rlwrap inserts weird characters like this: "¾Çù·0!ø" additionally to the history - any idea what could cause this or what I could do to find out? |
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| 16:35.39 | peterS | sgala: I didn't look at the 9.3.4 in etch, but 9.5.0 had these problems anyway, and I think they use the same strategy. 9.5.1 beta1 was too buggy, but 9.5.1 beta2 seems fine. the difference is that it now uses epoll() on linux instead of select(). |
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| 16:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also showing the promt of the programs I use it with several times (+ the charactera) like this: vmd > ¾Çù·0!ø·vmd > ¾Çù·0!ø·¾Çù·0!ø·¾Çù·0!ø·vmd > |
| 16:36.38 | peterS | before Dan Kaminsky's bug, bind's use of select() wasn't such a problem, as it didn't actually need thousands of sockets |
| 16:36.48 | sgala | peterS: mhm, my bind is resolving about 2-300 queries per second, but the issue that you are talking about are related with "rndc stats" ? |
| 16:37.21 | peterS | sgala: I don't think 'rndc stats' relates to this. I mean, I don't use it. |
| 16:37.24 | SEJeff | peterS, If you're able to, just disable recursion. Then the problem goes away all on it's own |
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| 16:38.26 | peterS | SEJeff: that's fine, but the only reason this server is busy is _because_ of the recursive lookups. it is a frontend for a mail cluster doing a lot of RBL lookups. |
| 16:38.40 | SEJeff | peterS, Yeah that sucks |
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| 16:38.54 | SEJeff | That also makes dnssec out of scope doesn't it |
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| 16:39.05 | peterS | heh |
| 16:39.07 | peterS | anyway, I do recommend 9.5.1b2, though it isn't in debian yet so I had to port the debian packaging |
| 16:39.20 | SEJeff | thanks |
| 16:39.21 | peterS | (including renaming a couple of library packages to update their SONAME versions) |
| 16:39.36 | sgala | nice to know... |
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| 16:39.46 | sgala | i also have a lot of rbl checks... |
| 16:40.17 | voltage__ | I know on SBS2003 we got a lot of DoS attacks on DNS ports, disabling recursion fixed problem (but we couldn't browse web lol) |
| 16:40.43 | voltage__ | Linux will take the beating though SBS won't |
| 16:40.52 | voltage__ | so long as your NIC buffers don't fill up |
| 16:40.56 | SEJeff | shock shock |
| 16:41.00 | peterS | voltage__: if all you need is outbound, you can firewall off port 53 from outside and just use it from inside. so long as it isn't using source port 53 for recursive lookups, that's fine |
| 16:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | browse web lol? |
| 16:41.32 | sgala | peterS: do you have published the packages of the new bind? |
| 16:41.35 | voltage__ | think we had vpn issues or something |
| 16:41.45 | litwol|mac | stew: thank you. everything worked beautifully :). one step closer to world domination |
| 16:41.51 | SEJeff | And no matter what version of bind you use, if you've got your DNS servers natted and your firewall lacks a decent source port randomization the problem will still bite you |
| 16:41.53 | voltage__ | because we disabled ICMP |
| 16:42.09 | litwol|mac | now if only i could figure out how to make apt-get install suggest to me package names based on what i typed + TAB |
| 16:42.10 | litwol|mac | :-\ |
| 16:42.13 | peterS | sgala: not published, this was for work. let me see if I can pull them up though. I don't remember if I built 9.5.1b2 for etch, or just for lenny. we're running lenny on that server |
| 16:42.43 | sgala | peterS: not a problem, i can ask this package to the my backport etch pusher:) |
| 16:42.52 | peterS | SEJeff: eh? bind randomizes source ports, the NAT should not undo that |
| 16:44.08 | SEJeff | peterS, here is the first thing google brought up (ironically from microsoft.com): http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956190 |
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| 16:44.16 | SEJeff | It applies equally well to bind |
| 16:45.49 | peterS | SEJeff: ah yes, I see |
| 16:46.18 | SEJeff | peterS, And here is a more respectable link from a well known compsec company: http://blog.tenablesecurity.com/2008/07/but-i-patched-o.html |
| 16:46.23 | litwol|mac | would some one be able to point me in the direction where i can find out how to make apt-get install suggest package names when i partially type them and hit TAB ? |
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| 16:47.26 | stew | litwol|mac: ". /etc/bash_completion" there is likely something in your .bashrc that does this that is commented out |
| 16:47.39 | florist | litwol|mac: Assuming you're using bash, you need to enable bash completion. |
| 16:47.54 | litwol|mac | stew: thx. i'll look there now |
| 16:48.03 | peterS | well and install the bash-completion package, if you are on lenny or sid |
| 16:48.06 | litwol|mac | florist: thx. i just dont know what is necessary to be done :). i'm new here |
| 16:48.09 | peterS | since it was split out from bash at some point |
| 16:48.16 | litwol|mac | what is lenny / sid |
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| 16:48.59 | voltage__ | Charcters off of Toy Story/Different versions of Debian |
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| 16:49.21 | voltage__ | etch a sketch = version 4.0 |
| 16:49.38 | litwol|mac | stew: thanks. that piece of script seems to be uncommented |
| 16:49.45 | stew | litwol|mac: lenny is "debian testing" which is a future release of debian. sid is "debian unstable" a never to be released release of debian |
| 16:49.50 | litwol|mac | not sure why its not working then |
| 16:49.58 | litwol|mac | i c |
| 16:50.00 | litwol|mac | :) |
| 16:50.01 | sgala | peterS: i'll try with a new version, thanks byebye |
| 16:50.01 | litwol|mac | thanks |
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| 16:51.19 | peterS | eh, where did sgala go, I was about to point him to my bind 9.5.1b2 source package |
| 16:52.00 | abchirk | What can I use for a VPN-Server? |
| 16:52.06 | dryrot | OpenVPN |
| 16:52.11 | peterS | yeah I recommend openvpn |
| 16:52.13 | litwol|mac | stew: thank you. works now |
| 16:52.24 | peterS | tinc also works but there has been a lot of FUD in the past about its security so I dunno |
| 16:52.50 | abchirk | hm tinc isn't a trusted package here. :( |
| 16:53.20 | peterS | fortunately, openvpn is almost as easy to set up as tinc |
| 16:53.25 | abchirk | hm I see, here is all from untrusted source. :( |
| 16:53.35 | peterS | and tinc was like 30 minutes from beginning to read the docs, to having a working tunnel |
| 16:54.08 | voltage__ | gtg out in the field.. ttyl all |
| 16:54.16 | abchirk | How could that be, all is from untrusted source? My sources.list contains olnly official servers? |
| 16:54.20 | stew | openvpn setup time depends directly on one's x509-fu |
| 16:54.26 | dryrot | what package has 'locate' in lenny ? |
| 16:54.31 | peterS | dryrot: findutils, I think |
| 16:54.44 | peterS | abchirk: make sure you have the 'debian-keyring' package |
| 16:54.54 | stew | abchirk: he means debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:54.59 | peterS | abchirk: errrrr ... yeah, I meant that |
| 16:55.22 | dryrot | peterS: nope, i guess ill go ask packages.debian.org |
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| 16:55.41 | dryrot | mlocate ! |
| 16:55.56 | peterS | dryrot: oh yeah, there are multiple implementations of locate, including slocate and mlocate |
| 16:56.08 | litwol|mac | oi vei. it seems that after installing debian it still tries to look for packages on the DVD instead of online repository |
| 16:56.20 | litwol|mac | how can i turn that behavior off and use online repos exclusively ? |
| 16:56.24 | peterS | litwol|mac: that is a matter of ordering of lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:56.29 | jelly | dryrot: there's a number of /usr/bin/locate providers, all with subtly different options, all using the same config file |
| 16:56.31 | litwol|mac | loosk |
| 16:56.34 | litwol|mac | looks*& |
| 16:57.21 | jelly | dryrot: watch out for your /etc/updatedb.conf being overwritten |
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| 16:57.42 | abchirk | Ok keyring works fine for this problem. ) |
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| 16:58.16 | brad_ | hey |
| 16:58.21 | jelly | dryrot: for lazy people, there's also /msg dpkg find bin/locate$ lenny |
| 16:58.34 | jelly | wait, that won't work |
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| 16:58.46 | jelly | !find bin/locate lenny |
| 16:58.50 | smoorman | hi |
| 16:58.50 | brad_ | i can expect to a get a desktop compairable with ubuntu from debian right ? |
| 16:59.00 | smoorman | where can i find a guide to install a sub device? |
| 16:59.05 | smoorman | usb* |
| 16:59.15 | jelly | smoorman: what kind of device? |
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| 16:59.30 | smoorman | logitech wingman formula gp |
| 16:59.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/locate' (2): (/usr/bin/locatediff) in electronics/atlc ;; (/usr/bin/locate.findutils) in utils/locate. |
| 16:59.39 | smoorman | i can't even figure out if it's supported |
| 16:59.39 | jelly | an input device. |
| 16:59.53 | PsiKlops | with what command can i find out what firmware i have for my PCMCIA card |
| 17:00.04 | smoorman | it's a steering wheel for gaming |
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| 17:00.16 | jelly | has no idea |
| 17:00.30 | smoorman | :( |
| 17:00.35 | jelly | smoorman: does anything appear in /dev/input when you plug it in? |
| 17:00.48 | smoorman | let me check |
| 17:01.04 | peterS | smoorman: if it is supported by the kernel, generally it is supported and should get picked up automatically. usb really _is_ usually plug and play, even in linux (: the question is whether your kernel version knows about it |
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| 17:01.19 | litwol|mac | where can i find list of good debian repositories ? |
| 17:01.22 | jelly | I guess googling for linux wheel usb is in order |
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| 17:01.28 | stew | litwol|mac: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:01.30 | litwol|mac | it seems that my sources.list has only 1 |
| 17:01.32 | litwol|mac | ty |
| 17:01.41 | peterS | jelly: yeah and filtering out references to 'wheel mouse' |
| 17:01.47 | jelly | peterS: rats |
| 17:01.48 | smoorman | ok so two folders, event6 and js0 appear |
| 17:01.54 | smoorman | when i plug it in |
| 17:02.01 | peterS | smoorman: js0 means joystick, so. |
| 17:02.08 | stew | litwol|mac: you should only need 2, one mirror from the mirrors list and security.debian.org: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 17:02.18 | stew | litwol|mac: (that is, unless you are looking for software not in debian) |
| 17:02.24 | smoorman | is there a way i can test it? |
| 17:02.30 | jelly | smoorman: now you need to tell an app to try using one of those devices |
| 17:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | brad_, no idea, never used it :) but as it's all either kde or gnome or something, I guess the answer would be "yes" |
| 17:02.38 | jelly | vroom. |
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| 17:02.51 | peterS | smoorman: 'jstest' from the 'joystick' package |
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| 17:03.38 | brad_ | I'm looking at the diffence between the wireless network card detection now |
| 17:03.42 | smoorman | peterS: how do i do that? |
| 17:03.50 | peterS | smoorman: install the 'joystick' package and run 'jstest' |
| 17:04.12 | smoorman | thank you |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | I'd test with supertuxkart :-> |
| 17:04.15 | peterS | I'm not sure how permissions work for joystick-like devices |
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| 17:04.24 | litwol|mac | stew: i don't really know what i truly need/want. i'm learning :). but right now i only have 2 entries deb and deb-src pointing to security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib |
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| 17:04.59 | ribasushi | bah... |
| 17:05.14 | smoorman | it works! |
| 17:05.18 | smoorman | <3 |
| 17:05.22 | ribasushi | there was a page listing the official sources for the releases |
| 17:05.35 | smoorman | thank you for your help |
| 17:05.45 | ribasushi | like for etch I'd use http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free and what else? |
| 17:05.54 | stew | litwol|mac: you should have at least two deb entries, one for a main mirror, and another for security.debian.org |
| 17:05.57 | ribasushi | what are the updates, what are the volatile ones, the securities etc? |
| 17:06.07 | stew | ribasushi: no, don't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 17:06.23 | stew | ribasushi: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:06.23 | litwol|mac | stew: both are security related (or maybe 2 entries deb + deb-src means it is 1 entry) |
| 17:06.27 | litwol|mac | ty |
| 17:06.30 | litwol|mac | tries |
| 17:06.49 | stew | litwol|mac: i'll take a look if you show us; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:07.13 | litwol|mac | i know pastebin :) |
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| 17:07.30 | litwol|mac | lets see if i can figure out how to paste from vi to something else |
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| 17:09.58 | smoorman | if i wanted to program a simple game which took my joystick as an input |
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| 17:10.07 | smoorman | what irc channel would be a good place to go to? |
| 17:10.16 | ribasushi | stew: excellent thank you |
| 17:10.17 | smoorman | to ask a question |
| 17:10.29 | ribasushi | one more question - does volatile-sloppy include volatile? |
| 17:10.33 | litwol|mac | stew: i abbreviated cdrom related entries and typed out the rest of the sources file: http://pastebin.com/dce441ac |
| 17:10.48 | ribasushi | or do I need to include both in sources.list? |
| 17:10.52 | jelly | smoorman: depends on the question? sdl? |
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| 17:11.04 | smoorman | sdl |
| 17:11.06 | smoorman | yes |
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| 17:11.27 | jelly | I mean, look for a sdl channel |
| 17:11.30 | stew | litwol|mac: yes, you are missing a main mirror. what country are you in? |
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| 17:11.35 | nikkr | hello |
| 17:11.38 | smoorman | yeah i jsut realized that |
| 17:11.39 | litwol|mac | usa |
| 17:11.42 | smoorman | sorry for being dumb |
| 17:11.43 | litwol|mac | i'm in new york |
| 17:11.47 | smoorman | thanks |
| 17:12.45 | nikkr | how to mount a nfs drive? server is 192.168.2.10 and nfs share is /share |
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| 17:12.49 | stew | litwol|mac: add 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free' |
| 17:13.06 | peterS | nikkr: install 'nfs-common'. then 'mount 192.168.2.10:/share /somewhere' |
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| 17:13.23 | florist | stew: shouldn't there be etch in that line? |
| 17:14.08 | peterS | right and there shouldn't necessarily be a 'contrib non-free' in it either |
| 17:14.42 | stew | florist: yes, thanks |
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| 17:15.04 | stew | litwol|mac: add 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free'; you may decide to omit contrib and non-free which are not officially part of debian. |
| 17:15.25 | litwol|mac | is that instead of the first suggestion ? |
| 17:15.29 | stew | litwol|mac: yes |
| 17:15.40 | stew | litwol|mac: the first line i gave you was wrong |
| 17:15.49 | litwol|mac | tries |
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| 17:15.52 | stew | i initially added contrib and non-free becuase his security.d.o line had it |
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| 17:16.31 | jelly | but... s.d.o doesn't have non-free |
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| 17:16.52 | jelly | wonders whether GFDL docs can have security fixes |
| 17:17.03 | stew | jelly: yes it does. its just rarely attended to |
| 17:17.31 | litwol|mac | stew: great thanks. now it didnt throw errors at me |
| 17:18.40 | stew | judd: versions nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 17:18.41 | judd | stew: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7: 1.0.8776+6etch2 (etch/non-free) 1.0.8776+6etch2 (etch-security/non-free) |
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| 17:20.37 | JW | Anybody had a working openVPN config break due to a security update in the past 2 or 3 months? |
| 17:21.17 | gabegundy | JW: what was updated? |
| 17:22.00 | JW | gabegundy: I can't say for sure, all I know is that I had openvpn working about 3 months ago and today it won't work, the only thing that could have changed was a security update, cause I know I haven't messed up the config |
| 17:22.28 | JW | gabegundy: but I think I may have updated openssl. I can't remember if there were any other security updates that might have affected openVPN or not |
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| 17:23.09 | JW | gabegundy: it used to work, now when I try to connect, on the client I get an error about "No server certificate verification method has been enabled." |
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| 17:23.25 | JW | followed by "Cannot load certificate file client1.crt: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory . . . ." |
| 17:23.29 | gabegundy | JW: Sure, but you still have the changes that might have happened on the client, firewalls and everything between. |
| 17:23.29 | demism | my laptop is connected to a wireless network. I have a wireless router available, is it possible to connect it to my laptop and broadcast the connection? |
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| 17:23.45 | JW | client1.crt is still there, it hasn't moved |
| 17:24.15 | demism | i wanna use my psp from anywhere in the house, but it doesn't get connections on that side. |
| 17:24.19 | JW | gabegundy: true in theory but not in practice: the only firewall is on the vpn server and I run both the client and server |
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| 17:24.43 | JW | now the client has had security updates too |
| 17:24.56 | JW | but either way, I wonder what's changed? Anyone run into this? |
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| 17:25.26 | scintilla | re |
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| 17:26.29 | gabegundy | JW: sorry - i haven't seen it. |
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| 17:26.59 | JW | ok |
| 17:27.32 | peterS | JW: one thing that has changed, though it was a few months ago, is that openssl is now capable of detecting a certificate that was generated during the Bad Old Days of debian's tiny-keyspace vulnerability |
| 17:27.53 | peterS | JW: it doesn't seem like it fits your symptoms, but possibly the openssl-blacklist package is preventing a known weak certificate from being used |
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| 17:28.05 | peterS | in which case, you need to generate a new one |
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| 17:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe amazing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=rlwrap |
| 17:30.07 | peterS | JW: run 'openssl-vulnkey' on your key file to check |
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| 17:32.17 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: sometimes zero bugs indicates that a package is only used on 0.17% of debian systems, and thus nobody is looking for bugs (: |
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| 17:32.46 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: (follow the 'package tracking system' link, then the 'popcon stats' link from there) |
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| 17:37.36 | JW | peterS: I can't find that package in apt, what is the parent package name called? |
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| 17:38.00 | peterS | JW: hmmm, it seems openssl-vulnkey does not know what openvpn keys are anyway. so I don't think that is your problem. |
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| 17:38.25 | jeward | When is lenny likely to become stable? |
| 17:38.35 | peterS | JW: the package is called 'openssl-blacklist' and it seems to not be on security.debian.org. I thought it was. |
| 17:38.43 | peterS | jeward: SIYH, sooner if you help |
| 17:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, no, the amazing thing was, that... I think the behavior I mentioned above with the weird characters is fixed in lenny - so it seems to have been a bug in rlwrap - so I'd have thought there'd be a bugreport there |
| 17:38.57 | tmp_ | Is there something quirky about libdvdread in etch? I get nothing from all apps I've tried that are supposed to use it. |
| 17:38.59 | JW | Oh well. I must say that it is possible the key was made before I installed the openssl update that fixed the problem you referred to (that one that affected ssh keys) |
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| 17:39.15 | JW | peterS: maybe I jus tneed to regenerate all the keys. Sad. |
| 17:39.42 | peterS | JW: it is something I would try - if it is convenient, anyway, to regenerate a key and distribute it to the other endpoint(s) in some secure fashion |
| 17:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, but indeed - an "inst" value of <1% probably means it's not so widely used (can't think why - I'm so glad this program exists to fix all the broken non-readline apps) |
| 17:40.42 | JW | yeah I guess it won't be too hard. I neglected to write down all my steps for setting up ant config the first time and I'm afraid I"ll have to look up how to do it all over again - oh well. |
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| 17:40.43 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I haven't used rlwrap but from the package description, it does look useful |
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| 17:40.44 | JW | peterS: thanks for the help |
| 17:41.05 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: last time I needed to write a command-line app and wanted readline, I wrote it in perl (: |
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| 17:41.48 | tmp_ | Or to put it another way, what do I need to do to get DVDs working in etch? |
| 17:41.56 | peterS | JW: generating an openvpn key and copying it to each machine that uses it is not too hard. you just overwrite the key file that is already present in /etc/openvpn on each endpoint |
| 17:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, it's more for crappy chemistry programs that heavily rely on a command-line like interface for input, but don't have proper history and editing |
| 17:42.05 | Zoup | i changed a partition on driver , normally i need to reboot to recognize that new partition ,there was a trick to reload paritions which requires to unomount all parititon of disk , any idea ? |
| 17:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, for them, putting rlwrap in a small wrapper makes a huge difference... |
| 17:42.51 | peterS | Zoup: if you unmount all partitions, and edit the partition table using 'cfdisk' (all you need to do is hit 'save', I think), it instructs the kernel the reload the partition table. that may work for you |
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| 17:42.56 | florist | tmp_: Is it a problem with dvdcss? |
| 17:42.59 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: sure |
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| 17:43.36 | tmp_ | florist: No. Apparently it's libdvdread |
| 17:43.36 | Lagbolt | !tell tmp_ about dvd playback |
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| 17:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, and one can also use it for writing short scripts interactively (like in "rlwrap perl") |
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| 17:45.02 | Siemensvorstand_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/5299742/ |
| 17:45.11 | hoxu | !pennergame |
| 17:45.11 | dpkg | pennergame is, like, yet another spamming game. First someone posts a pennergame url on #debian (http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/<id>/), and then someone goes to #pennergame and reports that <id> to be banned. |
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| 17:45.23 | tmp_ | florist: It doesn't get that far. I.e., libdvd* are not accessing the drive. |
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| 17:46.00 | hoxu | hugs stew |
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| 17:47.20 | tmp_ | florist: For instance, lsdvd returns: Can't open disc /dev/dvd! |
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| 17:48.20 | anddam | I installed build-essential autoconf automake libtool |
| 17:48.26 | anddam | but seems I'm missing something |
| 17:48.38 | tmp_ | florist: It doesn't even probe the drive. |
| 17:49.16 | florist | tmp_: Check if there is /dev/dvd and that you've read access to it. |
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| 17:51.24 | florist | tmp_: curious. I get the same error with lsdvd, but I can play movies using mplayer. :-/ |
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| 17:53.16 | tmp_ | florist: Yes, there is. Yes, I do. The harddrive is SATA and the dvdrw is on the IDE bus as primary master (/dev/hda). /dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/hda. Trying "lsdvd /dev/hda" gets essentially the same result. /dev/hda is owned by root:cdrom mode rw-rw---- and I'm a member of group cdrom. The same thing happens for root, too. |
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| 17:54.24 | tmp_ | florist: All apps that are supposed to read DVDs get the same result as lsdvd: No drive activity. |
| 17:54.25 | Lagbolt | tmp_, do you have eject installed? can you eject the dvd? "eject /dev/dvd" |
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| 17:55.02 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: eject works, and I can mount/umount data discs. |
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| 17:55.15 | wols_ | anddam: what is the error? |
| 17:55.26 | drbair_work | I just installed Lenny on mdraid and I'm getting dropped to the initramfs shell on boot. It seems that the md driver was loaded, but the raid volumes weren't started. Any pointers? |
| 17:55.46 | Lagbolt | tmp_, can you pastebin output from --- dpkg -l | egrep "dvd|css" |
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| 17:56.00 | anddam | wols_: this is the output of autogen.sh |
| 17:56.03 | anddam | http://rafb.net/p/4dtwMA62.html |
| 17:56.26 | anddam | I'm trying to build Transmission from svn source |
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| 17:56.48 | peterS | anddam: sounds to me like you need automake1.9 and don't have it |
| 17:57.03 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: You want all eleven lines? |
| 17:57.08 | Lagbolt | tmp_, yes |
| 17:57.10 | Lagbolt | pastebin |
| 17:57.15 | Lagbolt | do not paste in here |
| 17:57.27 | wols_ | anddam: how about doing what the error message says? |
| 17:57.49 | tmp_ | I'm not familiar with "pastebin" |
| 17:57.54 | wols_ | !paste |
| 17:57.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:57.55 | peterS | anddam: or possibly autogen.sh needs to call automake-1.9 instead of automake |
| 17:58.10 | wols_ | peterS: nah, he misses a package or two |
| 17:58.29 | Lagbolt | tmp_, it might be helpful to pastebin the output from dmesg as well as all the output from lsdvd |
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| 17:59.01 | peterS | wols_: that's what I said |
| 17:59.22 | wols_ | peterS: ok, but the package is not automake itself :) |
| 17:59.31 | peterS | wols_: I didn't say it was. I said it was automake1.9 |
| 17:59.57 | anddam | wols_: but I don't have /aclocal |
| 17:59.58 | Akuw | actually i have 100.000 files in one dir |
| 18:00.18 | anddam | peterS: it's automake from lenny |
| 18:00.22 | Akuw | how much files more can i have without get problems? |
| 18:00.33 | peterS | anddam: oh yeah you probably will need autotools-dev |
| 18:00.36 | wols_ | well, no automake1.9 either. http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=glibc21.m4&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 18:00.55 | wols_ | anddam: please answer: why can't you do what the error says? install the files it wants, to the place it wants? |
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| 18:01.20 | Lagbolt | tmp_, you pasting? |
| 18:01.42 | wols_ | Akuw: no limit |
| 18:01.52 | anddam | wols_: here's the answer: because the directory the error refers to doesn't exist |
| 18:01.54 | wols_ | Akuw: there is a filesystemwide limit tho. amount of inodes |
| 18:01.56 | anddam | wols_: "Please add the files [ ] from the /aclocal" |
| 18:02.02 | wols_ | !tell anddam about installit |
| 18:02.23 | peterS | anddam: it probably means /usr/share/aclocal-1.x where 1.x depends on your version of automake |
| 18:02.28 | wols_ | then maybe you should install the package you need so this directory and especially the files it mentions do exist? |
| 18:02.56 | anddam | but I didn't knew it was a package at all |
| 18:02.58 | wols_ | peterS: look at the url I pasted you |
| 18:03.20 | wols_ | anddam: you miss a file. so first order is to look "which debian package has this file". do you know how to do that? |
| 18:03.25 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I did paste all of the output from lsdvd: "Can't open disc /dev/dvd!" |
| 18:03.31 | anddam | pdo |
| 18:03.35 | Akuw | wols_: but if i use samba and saving data from one application installed in one host ? |
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| 18:03.43 | wols_ | tmp_: then you need to tell us the url to it. we are not psychic |
| 18:03.44 | anddam | or apt-cache search I suppose |
| 18:03.52 | Akuw | actually i can't ls in that dir |
| 18:03.56 | florist | tmp_: Lagbolt also wanted the list of installed packages with dvd|css in it. |
| 18:03.56 | wols_ | apt-cache doesn't search for files |
| 18:03.57 | Akuw | it takes so much time |
| 18:04.01 | Lagbolt | tmp_, you need to paste bin the output of that line i asked for |
| 18:04.17 | wols_ | Akuw: doesn't mean it can't take on more files. just that i has to load a lot of stuff to ls |
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| 18:04.31 | Akuw | any way to list files ? |
| 18:04.38 | wols_ | Akuw: man ls |
| 18:04.44 | wols_ | or buy a faster disk |
| 18:05.21 | peterS | what a helpful answer. <Akuw> actually i can't ls in that dir <Akuw> any way to list files ? <wols_> Akuw: man ls |
| 18:05.44 | wols_ | peterS: < Akuw> it takes so much time |
| 18:05.48 | Lagbolt | petemc, why cant you ls in it? |
| 18:05.51 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: sorry, got pulled aside for a moment. I've got the grep and dmesg at http://echo.disfinite.org/debug |
| 18:06.06 | wols_ | peterS: or do you know a better way to list them? or do you know of a special >100000 files limit? |
| 18:06.11 | stew | they don't make disks fast enough to fix his problem |
| 18:06.17 | tmp_ | wols_: URL to which? |
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| 18:06.28 | peterS | wols_: why not just point him to ls -f if that's what you meant |
| 18:06.28 | wols_ | tmp_: url to the pastebin entry you made |
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| 18:06.58 | peterS | it isn't obvious from reading the manpage that his bottleneck is likely to be sorting the entries. that's something easier to point out directly than indirectly |
| 18:06.59 | bjwebb | hello |
| 18:07.03 | wols_ | stew: so what is his problem, ie how to fix? |
| 18:07.18 | Lagbolt | tmp_, see at the end of dmesg . . . looks like there are some problems. never seen those before. |
| 18:07.23 | stew | wols_: his cpu speed |
| 18:07.33 | stew | wols_: or see what peterS said |
| 18:07.42 | tmp_ | wols_: I haven't gotten to pastebin yet; I got pulled aside for a moment. Also, I cannot move very fast here, so please be patient. |
| 18:07.51 | Lagbolt | tmp_, media region code is mismatched. . . |
| 18:08.07 | stew | Akuw: what is in the directory? you might think about splitting the files into multiple directories with fewer entries if that is feasible |
| 18:08.08 | peterS | ...well, not that sorting by itself is slow, but that when you sort, you have to wait for all entries to be read before you can begin output. so it is a pipeline stall, if you will. |
| 18:08.10 | wols_ | tmp_: you have pasted a url and it contains the paste. all's well |
| 18:08.12 | bjwebb | im doing make-kpkg modules_image for a kernel i just built, but nothing happens, my modules (in /usr/src/modules) aren't being detected - for module in ; do |
| 18:08.24 | Lagbolt | tmp_, can you mount this video dvd as a data dvd? |
| 18:08.26 | Akuw | i just need to count the number of files of a specific date |
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| 18:09.17 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Yup. the libdvd* based apps trigger that. eject and mount/umount (and filesystem access) don't |
| 18:09.40 | stew | Akuw: you may want to use find for that instead of ls |
| 18:09.48 | Lagbolt | tmp_, so you can physically mount the dvd. when you do, do you see a VIDEO_TS dir? |
| 18:10.09 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I have discs from multiple regions. I get the same results for other regions. |
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| 18:11.38 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: With the udf module loaded, sure. And the normal DVD dir structure shows up that way. |
| 18:11.45 | florist | tmp_: http://linvdr.org/projects/regionset/ does this help? |
| 18:12.04 | tmp_ | florist: No. |
| 18:12.04 | Lagbolt | tmp_, do you have any unprotected dvd's? |
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| 18:12.50 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Do you mean "region zero"? Yes, and that gets the same thing. |
| 18:13.54 | Lagbolt | tmp_, not sure of the region but i am talking about a non-encrypted video dvd. if that is region 0 then yes :) |
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| 18:14.32 | Lagbolt | tmp_, if you put in an unprotected dvd, mount it as a normal filesystem can you play the vob files in the video_ts dir? |
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| 18:15.00 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: totem can handle that. |
| 18:15.02 | anddam | I added the files to aclocal.m4 and I get the same error |
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| 18:15.40 | Lagbolt | tmp_, so that is a yes? you can watch the vob files from a DVD mounted but you can not run "lsdvd" on that same dvd? |
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| 18:17.01 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: For unencoded video dvds, yes. Totem can load the files and play them (they are just mpeg2 files). |
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| 18:17.22 | Lagbolt | tmp_, second part of the question. . . on that dvd can you lsdvd |
| 18:17.52 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: And lsdvd still can't get anything for discs of any region |
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| 18:19.22 | Lagbolt | tmp_, strange. tmp_ on a DVD that totem will play the vob files, mount it and run something like this "lsdvd /mnt/cdrom" where /mnt/cdrom is your mountpoint |
| 18:19.23 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Am I just looking at a situation where I should replace the dvd drive? |
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| 18:20.01 | Lagbolt | tmp_, if you can mount them and read the filesystem i dont imagine so |
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| 18:20.38 | piasdom | hello...can the latest java be installed with apt ? |
| 18:20.47 | Lagbolt | tmp_, do you get any information from "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hda" |
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| 18:22.41 | Lagbolt | piasdom, check. . . apt-cache policy "packagename" and it will tell you about the versions |
| 18:22.48 | florist | piasdom: sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jre is this what you're looking for? |
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| 18:22.57 | piasdom | thanks..where is that :) ? |
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| 18:23.21 | Lagbolt | piasdom, apt-cache search sun java |
| 18:23.25 | piasdom | i'm just trying to get ANY java to work :) |
| 18:23.43 | Lagbolt | piasdom, in what context? |
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| 18:25.03 | piasdom | stuff like viewing utube |
| 18:25.09 | peterS | Debian ships several implementations of java compilers, runtimes, libraries |
| 18:25.19 | peterS | if you mean Sun java version X, say so |
| 18:25.28 | Lagbolt | piasdom, you will also want sun-java6-plugin then |
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| 18:25.54 | piasdom | great...is anything easy in linux :)? |
| 18:26.25 | Lagbolt | piasdom, how is this hard? apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:26.57 | Nibbler | you need a copy AND a paste.... |
| 18:27.00 | peterS | between ajax and adobe flash, isn't web browser java basically dead? |
| 18:27.00 | piasdom | i gat a bunch of stuff i don't understand when i do apt-cache |
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| 18:27.38 | stew | piasdom: if you show us, we can help you understand it ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:27.43 | Nibbler | peterS: ajax IS java..... script. |
| 18:27.55 | peterS | Nibbler: errrr ... java and js have nothing to do with each other |
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| 18:28.06 | wols_ | except the stupidly chosed name |
| 18:28.08 | piasdom | i don't know ANYTHING about java..version....install...who makes it |
| 18:28.09 | peterS | except an unfortunate name collision |
| 18:28.12 | Lagbolt | piasdom, when you apt-cache search you get anything with the search terms, refine your search |
| 18:28.13 | piasdom | going to paste |
| 18:28.13 | stew | peterS: java is not yet dead. it is still paying a lot of my bills |
| 18:28.14 | wols_ | *chosen |
| 18:28.51 | Nibbler | peterS: java and java applets have nothing to do with each other... i thought.... or are you talking about java webstart? |
| 18:28.52 | wols_ | piasdom: what java did you install? check |
| 18:28.52 | peterS | stew: but in the browser? I thought most use of java had moved by now to installer guis that throw obscure eclipse warnings all over your root shell console |
| 18:29.13 | peterS | Nibbler: I'm talking about the need for a java implementation in your browser. i.e., java applets. |
| 18:29.20 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: When the disc is mounted as udf, lsdvd works |
| 18:29.21 | jdrake | I need something like dd that shows its progress (or some feedback), I can't find anything in dd that will do this. |
| 18:29.30 | Nibbler | peterS: those are dead :) |
| 18:29.31 | peterS | jdrake: pv |
| 18:29.34 | stew | peterS: yeah, people shouldn't be using applets anymore, but java web start instead (which is basically a java installer in a browser plugin) |
| 18:29.43 | piasdom | here is what i get.........http://pastebin.com/dd3365dc |
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| 18:29.47 | stew | jdrake: dd will if you send it SIGUSR1 |
| 18:30.19 | jdrake | stew, so if I send that will the informatoin appear on the console it is operating on? |
| 18:30.22 | peterS | jdrake: pv is seriously the coolest utility per kB I can think of. (it packs a lot of usefulness into 33 kB.) |
| 18:30.31 | Lagbolt | tmp_, interesting. did you point lsdvd at the mount point or at the device after mounting udf |
| 18:30.35 | stew | jdrake: it will appear on stderr, which yes, is probably going to your console |
| 18:30.49 | jdrake | peterS, wouldn't piping it through that slow things down? |
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| 18:31.13 | peterS | jdrake: depends on where you're piping from and to, but generally when you _need_ a status bar it's because such a thing would not be a bottleneck |
| 18:31.23 | wols_ | piasdom: install sun-java5-plugin |
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| 18:31.50 | piasdom | wols..ok how ? apt-get sun...... |
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| 18:32.03 | peterS | jdrake: if your network can do 10 MB per second, believe me, passing those 10 MB per second through pv isn't going to be noticeable |
| 18:32.05 | wols_ | !tell piasdom about apt howto |
| 18:32.08 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I have the output of dvd+rw-mediainfo at http://echo.disfinite.org/debug-2 |
| 18:32.15 | florist | piasdom: you said you wanted to watch youtube videos right? are you sure you aren't looking for flashplugin? |
| 18:32.22 | peterS | jdrake: ditto if you're copying between two disks that can each do 50 MB/s |
| 18:32.26 | jdrake | peterS, its usb cable :-) |
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| 18:32.48 | wols_ | piasdom: for youtube you don't need java but flash |
| 18:32.49 | weiles | hi |
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| 18:32.52 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 18:33.00 | peterS | that too. it's only when you get up past gigabit and fibre channel speeds that I'd worry about copying the data through pv |
| 18:33.10 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I let lsdvd try its default /dev/dvd on the mounted filesystem |
| 18:33.15 | weiles | i have a weird problem with one of my kvm machines on my lenny amd64 host with bridged networking |
| 18:33.19 | piasdom | florist ok isn't flashplayer java ? |
| 18:33.31 | weiles | it sometimes gets disconnected and it even crashed one time |
| 18:33.36 | Lagbolt | tmp_, so lsdvd works now? but if you unmount the dvd it fails? |
| 18:33.37 | florist | piasdom: I don't think so. |
| 18:33.39 | jdrake | Sending SIGUSR1 doesn't do anything |
| 18:33.39 | SamuraiDio | i have a problem with usb storage devices. udev creates the device, but links to mount/umount it are not created on thunar/knoqueror/nautilus |
| 18:33.40 | stew | piasdom: no, flash is something entirely different |
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| 18:33.44 | SamuraiDio | how can i fix this? |
| 18:33.47 | piasdom | ok then that's what i need...flash :) |
| 18:33.52 | florist | piasdom: I think you're looking for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:33.54 | weiles | it is debian i386 with the 686 kernel running (2mcpus) |
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| 18:34.18 | florist | piasdom: or flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:34.22 | weiles | i have another machine with the same configuration but have no connectivity problems with it |
| 18:34.39 | weiles | can anybody help me? |
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| 18:35.12 | stew | jdrake: it makes dd send statistics to stderr |
| 18:35.13 | piasdom | florist...i'm sure your right |
| 18:35.18 | weiles | i have already added the bridge options defined here: http://trac.enomalism.com/enomalism/wiki/enomalism-trouble and restarted networking |
| 18:35.26 | weiles | i really need this machine |
| 18:35.27 | jdrake | stew, well nothing appeared |
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| 18:35.45 | stew | jdrake: how did you send the signal? |
| 18:35.49 | jdrake | htop |
| 18:35.49 | betz | Hi there everybody. I'm new to debian, i'm downloading the testing (lenny) dvd's. Do i need to download them all 5? |
| 18:36.04 | weiles | i am using virtio stuff for network and disc on both |
| 18:36.05 | DCobb | can anyone suggest debian compatible, cost effective pci-x or pci-e jbod card with 8 port or 16 port to connect to sata disks in this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219021 |
| 18:36.16 | Lagbolt | betz, no, you only need first dvd. if you have a fast net connection you should try the netinstall cd |
| 18:36.21 | DCobb | I see very expensive raid cards when i just need jbod |
| 18:36.39 | jdrake | stew, I see the problem, thank you |
| 18:36.41 | stew | betz: no, you'd only need all of them if you were intsalling onto a machine that cannot get onto the internet, and you needed packages which were contained on each |
| 18:36.49 | weiles | has anybody any ideas i am stuck |
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| 18:37.03 | weiles | openbsd vm is working as well |
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| 18:37.16 | betz | Lagbolt and stew: so i just download the first one and start the install? |
| 18:37.46 | weiles | note that the host i have problems with is installed with the netinst cd and without proper networking, so i have added and configured stuff later |
| 18:37.47 | wols_ | betz: yes, first one is enough |
| 18:37.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is there an application like cheese but with that allows to broadcast my webcam session? |
| 18:37.53 | florist | piasdom: I can watch youtube videos on Iceweasel using flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:37.55 | stew | betz: yes. and note that the first cd would be enough for an install, you don't need an entire dvd |
| 18:37.59 | betz | ok, thank you all! |
| 18:38.14 | weiles | still it worked fine from the beginning besides the hangs it had from the beginning :-( |
| 18:38.31 | piasdom | florist i can install iceweasel....i have the old sarge |
| 18:38.54 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Hmm. With this uncoded disc that I've got this time, lsdvd works. |
| 18:39.03 | jdrake | Is there a way to get a list of already installed packages so that I can automate the installation of these same packages later? |
| 18:39.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm interested in writing an evdev driver, is there a good tutorial? |
| 18:39.18 | piasdom | oops...i CAN'T install iceweasel |
| 18:39.30 | wols_ | why not? |
| 18:39.39 | wols_ | oh. sarge. upgrade |
| 18:39.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Everything I search for on google gets messageboard posts from many many years ago |
| 18:39.55 | piasdom | i havew sarge :( ..........can'r upgrade to etch |
| 18:39.58 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: With the other one it didn't. The difference being this one is a DVD-R while the other is a DVD+R |
| 18:40.09 | stew | piasdom: why can't you upgrade to etch? |
| 18:40.14 | Lagbolt | betz, yeah boot the dvd |
| 18:40.16 | wols_ | piasdom:that is unlikely. are you the guy with the PC controlled mill? |
| 18:40.28 | Lagbolt | tmp_, that matters |
| 18:40.30 | florist | piasdom: You've sarge and yet you've sun-java5-plugin? |
| 18:40.33 | weiles | i have pinged the machine now for 5 minutes and had no package loss so it might be sth. with the bridge loosing connectivity if not being used |
| 18:40.37 | Lagbolt | tmp_, i had a dvd player that could do - and not + |
| 18:40.39 | piasdom | i messes up my computer and i can't run the mini mill that came with it |
| 18:40.40 | florist | piasdom: in your apt-cache list? |
| 18:40.54 | Lagbolt | tmp_, there should be a way to check what media it supports. . . hmm let me see if i can remember |
| 18:40.57 | weiles | once i ping i can connect via ssh if i couldn't before for example |
| 18:41.01 | weiles | this is really weird |
| 18:41.09 | stew | florist: he's probably getting it from backports.org |
| 18:41.12 | wols_ | piasdom: messes up how? |
| 18:41.12 | piasdom | i = it |
| 18:41.27 | stew | piasdom: how does it mess up your computer? |
| 18:41.29 | florist | stew: ah! |
| 18:41.33 | piasdom | doesn't get back to desktop. |
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| 18:41.49 | piasdom | something to do with startx |
| 18:41.51 | stew | piasdom: what do you mean? it has trouble starting X? |
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| 18:42.00 | stew | piasdom: that can probably be easily fixed |
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| 18:42.07 | piasdom | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH :0 |
| 18:42.12 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Not on any other system I've worked with. I think I'll replace the dvdrw with something more friendly. |
| 18:42.30 | piasdom | but "I" can't fix it and i'm all i got |
| 18:42.39 | Lagbolt | tmp_, is it old? i am just saying, i had a drive that wouldnt read + so it is possible. |
| 18:42.41 | stew | piasdom: you have us to help |
| 18:42.42 | stew | piasdom: can you show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log after having an error running startx? |
| 18:43.01 | piasdom | ok |
| 18:43.17 | piasdom | don't know how to get var/log/ |
| 18:43.36 | piasdom | i can't get back here after installing |
| 18:43.45 | EmleyMoor | Great, this machine now has all the memory it's supposed to have |
| 18:43.49 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: It can mount uncoded DVD+R discs, it just won't let any libdvd* based apps access them directly. Grr. |
| 18:44.00 | stew | piasdom: why can't you get back here after installing? |
| 18:44.09 | screamingbytes | anyone know the difference between menu and menu-xdm |
| 18:44.20 | piasdom | it doesn't get back to he desktop stew |
| 18:44.26 | florist | stew: I assume if he upgrades to etch X11 is broken, then he cannot launch his chat client. |
| 18:44.31 | Lagbolt | tmp_, does it have problems with pressed dvd's? or are you only having trouble with the dvd+r |
| 18:44.32 | stew | piasdom: what does that have to do with getting here? |
| 18:44.51 | piasdom | so ya'll can help me with startx |
| 18:44.58 | Akuw | well, in that dir wil be 10 or 14 Millions |
| 18:45.13 | tmp_ | As udf it'll handle any disc. It just seems to have a problem with any videos that are not DVD-R |
| 18:45.19 | stew | piasdom: what would prevent you from coming here for help with startx after upgrading to etch? |
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| 18:45.49 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: It has problems with pressedDVDs, too. |
| 18:45.53 | weiles | any help with kvm on bridge problem? |
| 18:45.56 | piasdom | i can't get back to the desktop and that's the only way i know how to get here :) |
| 18:46.15 | stew | piasdom: i'd recommend using 'irssi' would would work from a text console |
| 18:46.24 | piasdom | when i upgrade i can only get to a prompt |
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| 18:46.42 | stew | piasdom: at that prompt run "aptitude install irssi && irssi" |
| 18:46.51 | piasdom | never hear if irssi stew |
| 18:46.52 | stew | piasdom: have you tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after upgrading? |
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| 18:46.58 | stew | !best irc client |
| 18:46.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 18:47.01 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: IIRC, the drive dates from '05. |
| 18:47.01 | Lagbolt | tmp_, odd. dunno, seems a bit strange |
| 18:47.01 | betanews | how can update just a few packages without satisfying all dependancies? apt-get upgrade xserver-xorg-video-all wants to download 108MB of data, including new glibc, python, etc BUT I only need to update xorg |
| 18:47.05 | Mundus | stew: She's using sirc |
| 18:47.11 | piasdom | i can stew |
| 18:47.12 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 - I am trying to access a chroot using schroot and the filesystems mentioned in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults are not being mounted. Can anyone help me find out why? |
| 18:47.16 | Lagbolt | tmp_, have you been able to lsdvd any protected dvd-r |
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| 18:47.29 | stew | betanews: you want "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all" |
| 18:47.33 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I think it's a cheap drive. |
| 18:47.43 | jdrake | Will a debian install cd (be able to) mount an external usb drive? |
| 18:47.47 | betanews | stew: thanks! |
| 18:47.49 | stew | betanews: "upgrade" doesn't take arguments, and means "upgrade every pacakge you can without installing new packages or removing packages" |
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| 18:48.00 | stew | jdrake: yes |
| 18:48.02 | Lagbolt | tmp_, well i guess u could try another |
| 18:48.12 | betanews | stew: :-) I always try to use apt-get as yum :-) |
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| 18:48.22 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: I don't have any encoded DVD-Rs |
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| 18:49.03 | piasdom | let me go try thanks stew and all brb (hopefully) |
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| 18:50.29 | tmp_ | Lagbolt: Yeah, the drive gets replaced. Now I should open up one of the boxes where everything does work so I can match the known good model. :-/ |
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| 18:50.56 | stew | piasdom: note that in sarge, irssi, might be 'irssi-text', if you want to start using that before you upgrade to etch |
| 18:51.21 | piasdom | ok..what's that stew ? |
| 18:51.37 | piasdom | how do i install THAT ? |
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| 18:51.53 | florist | piasdom: apt-get install <package name> |
| 18:51.59 | SamuraiDio | how can i make thunar/nautilus or konqueror create and mount usb storage devices at plug-in? |
| 18:52.00 | n-iCe | how can I enable javascript on iceweasel |
| 18:52.00 | stew | piasdom: aptitude install irssi-text |
| 18:52.37 | piasdom | ok |
| 18:52.39 | stew | n-iCe: edit->preferences->content->Enable JavaScript |
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| 18:54.18 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, thunar-volman |
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| 18:55.15 | SamuraiDio | installing |
| 18:55.48 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, then in thunar, go to prefs, on the advanced tab there is "volume management" |
| 18:55.54 | barbaros | hi all. i'm using lenny. how can i install nvidia binary drivers? |
| 18:55.54 | DCobb | what's a cost effective software raid card with no debian hassles? |
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| 18:56.21 | Mundus | !nvidia |
| 18:56.21 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 18:57.19 | wols_ | !tell barbaros about nvidia lenny |
| 18:57.41 | webPragmatist | if i was to change the home directory of www-data would that be a bad thing? |
| 18:57.55 | piasdom | stew:whta is the command when i'm at a prompt after upgrading to etch ? |
| 18:58.16 | stew | piasdom: to do what? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ? |
| 18:58.36 | wols_ | webPragmatist: no |
| 18:58.37 | stew | webPragmatist: probably wouldn't affect anything, I can't imagine where that might actually be used. why do you care to change it? |
| 18:58.43 | itt | to get back to irrsi |
| 18:58.46 | barbaros | wols_, if i choose to install using sarge packages, how can i turn back to lenny packages when they are available in lenny? |
| 18:58.48 | stew | itt: 'irssi' |
| 18:59.00 | itt | cool |
| 18:59.02 | itt | thanks |
| 18:59.09 | wols_ | barbaros: simply upgrade then |
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| 18:59.25 | itt | brb |
| 18:59.35 | stew | barbaros: sarge?!? |
| 18:59.51 | piasdom | what's the sources.list to upgrade to etch ? |
| 18:59.56 | wols_ | barbaros: he mistakes it for etch probably |
| 19:00.04 | stew | piasdom: read the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:00.06 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, no it don't work |
| 19:00.10 | piasdom | ok |
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| 19:00.16 | wols_ | !tell piasdom about sarge->etch |
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| 19:00.26 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, did you see the advanced tab with vol management? |
| 19:00.27 | wols_ | piasdom: read the url it's very important. and follow it |
| 19:00.40 | webPragmatist | i dunno i am probably doing something stupid |
| 19:00.47 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, thunar volman is not what i need, neither thunar neither any other file manager recognizes my device |
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| 19:00.55 | wols_ | webPragmatist: you have a reason to move the directory. tell us |
| 19:00.55 | stew | webPragmatist: do you want to run it by us first? |
| 19:00.57 | florist | SamuraiDio: you probably want hal |
| 19:00.58 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, the problem is not with the file manager |
| 19:01.03 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, when you plug in usb what is output from dmesg |
| 19:01.20 | SamuraiDio | i have hal |
| 19:01.50 | webPragmatist | I'm trying to make as php script update a website using svn+ssh |
| 19:02.06 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, so . . .if you have a problem then it is not working correctly and we should start with checking dmesg |
| 19:02.42 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, dmesg last lines: http://pastebin.com/d5d510f2 |
| 19:02.43 | wols_ | webPragmatist: that is no reason to change the directory |
| 19:02.43 | florist | SamuraiDio: So you've hal and dbus working properly? |
| 19:02.55 | stew | webPragmatist: so you want to hit a php page on a website, and that php page would can svn update to update a svn checkout which uses svn+ssh? |
| 19:02.58 | SamuraiDio | florist, i think they are |
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| 19:03.17 | stew | webPragmatist: (and you want $HOME to not be part of the docroot so that .ssh isn't in the docroot) |
| 19:03.30 | webPragmatist | stew: yep |
| 19:03.32 | wols_ | webPragmatist: is it a permission problem? |
| 19:03.32 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, can you mount it via command line? |
| 19:03.50 | SamuraiDio | i jsut want that the usb device appears on my side-panel and allow me to ckicl it to mount |
| 19:03.59 | webPragmatist | wols_: sort of because the svn is on a different server |
| 19:04.10 | webPragmatist | if it was on the same server there would be no issue |
| 19:04.16 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, yes, i can, once i specify the device fylesystem and mount point (manually, or at fstab) |
| 19:04.32 | stew | webPragmatist: well changing the HOME directory might be appropriate after you have taken a virtual barrage of "OMG its insecure to let your web server do taht" |
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| 19:04.33 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, are you using xfce? or gnome? |
| 19:04.49 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, none of then |
| 19:04.52 | webPragmatist | stew: yea i have taken that virtual barrage |
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| 19:05.15 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, i have to run out for 5 minutes. if someonehasnt helped i will be back |
| 19:05.18 | stew | webPragmatist: including "do you really need to do that over the web, can't you just run a shell script, perhaps from cron?" |
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| 19:05.23 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, my window manage doesn't matter, at my notebook the plug-and-play works fine |
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| 19:05.36 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, ok |
| 19:05.37 | wols_ | !automount |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 19:05.39 | SamuraiDio | thanks |
| 19:05.50 | webPragmatist | stew: the issue is i need to be able to let idiots do it who don't even know what a shell is |
| 19:06.03 | SamuraiDio | wols_, i don't want automount, i want mount ir manually, but not from command-line |
| 19:06.07 | SamuraiDio | it* |
| 19:06.10 | jimsheldon | does anyone have an etch install using bootsplash and a working progress bar? |
| 19:06.24 | Mundus | jimsheldon: Jesh |
| 19:06.28 | jimsheldon | I can't get the progress bar working out of the box |
| 19:06.47 | jimsheldon | Mundus: did you have to do anything special? |
| 19:06.49 | wols_ | webPragmatist: as what user does the svn client run? |
| 19:06.51 | stew | webPragmatist: give them a clicky icon on their desktop that calls plink? |
| 19:06.54 | Mundus | All I had to do was run apt-get install usplash |
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| 19:07.08 | jimsheldon | Mundus: a-ha, usplash, I'll try that, thanks |
| 19:07.09 | webPragmatist | wols_: apache has an autoversion |
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| 19:07.24 | webPragmatist | for webdav |
| 19:07.28 | joaop | i installed a package called network-manager-gnome, but dont know the executable file name, how can i know it ? |
| 19:07.38 | wols_ | webPragmatist: you have a svn client right? as what user does it run? |
| 19:07.41 | SamuraiDio | wols_, any idea? |
| 19:07.54 | wols_ | joaop: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome |grep bin |
| 19:07.58 | webPragmatist | wols_: they use webdav... and it just autoversions when the upload a file |
| 19:08.15 | webPragmatist | they* |
| 19:08.19 | wols_ | webPragmatist: whatever they run, it uses a username it runs under. which? |
| 19:08.28 | Borbus | Hi I am trying to use the time program and format the output, according to teh man page I need to do time -f format program args but I keeep getting a bash error, cannot find -f |
| 19:08.54 | webPragmatist | wols_: is in a .htpasswd ? |
| 19:09.00 | wols_ | webPragmatist: no |
| 19:09.01 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, you want something to click on to mount it? like a tray icon? or desktop icon? |
| 19:09.02 | webPragmatist | i don't understand your question lol |
| 19:09.26 | pgpkeys | is there a pakistani speaking channel for ubuntu or debian? |
| 19:09.26 | joaop | wols_, wow, great |
| 19:09.26 | webPragmatist | wols_: it runs under www-data? |
| 19:09.27 | wols_ | webPragmatist: any program runs under s epcial username. your svnclient does too no matter how it's called. which username? |
| 19:09.29 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, i just want t the device appear to be able to be mounte on my file-manager |
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| 19:09.45 | pgpkeys | i've a pakistani that needs help but his english is so broken I can't help him. language barrier |
| 19:09.47 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, on devices section of nautilus/knoqueror, or the side-panel of thunar |
| 19:09.56 | webPragmatist | hrm... |
| 19:09.58 | DCobb | I have a working debian etch installation. I add a PCI-X sata card with 8 disks, which the BIOS recognizes, but when I boot into debian, nothing under /dev/s* . It's device 105a:8002 under the device db http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI so I know the driver is there. what am i missing? |
| 19:10.00 | wols_ | tricky :( can't you run it under something else to now have www-data write to your docroot? |
| 19:10.13 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, it works on my laptop, but not on my pc |
| 19:10.33 | wols_ | DCobb: is the driver loaded? have you checked dmesg? |
| 19:10.41 | DCobb | i can check.. |
| 19:10.44 | webPragmatist | wols_: the svnclient is on the same server as the svn server so there is no going between servers... the stuff that is in the svn is simply in the same group as www-data |
| 19:10.46 | wols_ | s/now/not |
| 19:10.50 | florist | SamuraiDio: You installed thunar-volman right? Do you see an enable volume management button in the advanced settings page? |
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| 19:11.16 | SamuraiDio | florist, i already remove tuhnar-volman, i don't need it |
| 19:11.19 | wols_ | webPragmatist: some progam on the client writes to the docroot. there is a program creating files on it, that#s the important part |
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| 19:11.43 | SamuraiDio | florist, the problem is not that. simple, thunar does not recognizes the storage device |
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| 19:11.52 | _andy | hi all. How could I get sponsor name by package? |
| 19:11.57 | wols_ | webPragmatist: this program needs to be able to write to the docroot and it should be different from the UID the webserevr runs on. ie apache2 can't write to it, but your webpage can |
| 19:12.26 | wols_ | that ensures not any shitty php file on the server can create new files (malware) on the webserver |
| 19:12.43 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: does the system itself recognize it? |
| 19:12.46 | florist | SamuraiDio: You're able to mount the device manually, so the device is recognized. To enable thunar to show it on its devices section |
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| 19:12.53 | florist | SamuraiDio: you need to mount it |
| 19:13.02 | SamuraiDio | wols_, yes, i have /dev/sda, i can mount it manually |
| 19:13.09 | florist | SamuraiDio: and that is what thunar-volman does. |
| 19:13.15 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: thunar-volman sounds what you need |
| 19:13.29 | SamuraiDio | florist, not, don't need, thunar should show unmounted devices |
| 19:13.36 | SamuraiDio | wols_, it's not |
| 19:13.38 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 19:13.47 | SamuraiDio | forget thunar, it was just an example |
| 19:13.52 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: since you know better, do it what you wish. HAND |
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| 19:13.59 | SamuraiDio | the problem occurs on nautilus and konqueror also |
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| 19:14.02 | Skiessi | http://paste.servut.us/epyq what is this? |
| 19:14.06 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, it should even with out vol-manager. it sounds like you are missing something else. |
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| 19:14.17 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: and those have gnome volume manager and kde volume manager |
| 19:14.29 | eldowan | Is ntfs-3g recommended over ntfsprogs and ntfsmount? |
| 19:14.30 | SamuraiDio | wols_, i have it all installed |
| 19:14.30 | florist | SamuraiDio: wols_ is right. |
| 19:14.42 | florist | SamuraiDio: check if your HAL is working correctly. |
| 19:14.44 | wols_ | Lagbolt: yes but he misses something the various volume managers depend on. but he doesn't want to look there as he repeatedly told |
| 19:14.53 | SamuraiDio | florist, how can i check that? |
| 19:14.54 | florist | SamuraiDio: all volume managers depend on hal. |
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| 19:15.08 | webPragmatist | wols_: are you suggesting i change something? DAV svn (webDav) is enabled on there server... therefore a user can send a file using DAV and it will automatically version it in the svn... it uses www-data as the user |
| 19:15.13 | florist | ps aux|grep hal |
| 19:15.17 | webPragmatist | the* |
| 19:15.44 | florist | http://thunar.xfce.org/documentation/C/using-removable-media.html#management-of-removable-drives-and-media |
| 19:16.12 | webPragmatist | the user that commits to it is assigned by webdav.... and is from and .htpasswd file |
| 19:16.16 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, what groups are you in? are you a member of plugdev? |
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| 19:16.25 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, yes |
| 19:16.37 | SamuraiDio | diovani dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
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| 19:16.49 | wols_ | webPragmatist: we are talking the user receive a file. the sending a file to svn is totally different |
| 19:17.06 | Skiessi | how often it is allowed to repeat a question? |
| 19:17.21 | webPragmatist | but it works the same way?? |
| 19:17.23 | wols_ | Skiessi: what debian version? |
| 19:17.23 | DCobb | wols_: It's rolling dmesg, is the file date the only time stamp? I have rebooted it too many times since then.. |
| 19:17.27 | wols_ | webPragmatist: no |
| 19:17.33 | Skiessi | does that matter? |
| 19:17.41 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, what do you get with "dpkg -l | grep hal" do you have libhal-storage1? |
| 19:17.51 | wols_ | Skiessi: yes |
| 19:17.58 | webPragmatist | wols_: are you speaking hypothetically that if a user was to try to directly connect to the svn server? |
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| 19:18.06 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, yes |
| 19:18.07 | SamuraiDio | ii libhal-storage1 0.5.11-2 |
| 19:18.14 | mimi | can anyone help me to get my msn account back |
| 19:18.14 | wols_ | Skiessi: it changes the dpkg version, and since it's a dpkg error it's important. run "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
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| 19:18.38 | florist | SamuraiDio: and hal is running? |
| 19:18.43 | Skiessi | actually I'm using the new ubuntu, but they aren't very helpful on #ubuntu+1 with command-line stuff |
| 19:18.48 | SamuraiDio | florist, yes |
| 19:18.56 | Skiessi | okay |
| 19:18.58 | wols_ | webPragmatist: no. but describe your problem properly cause it seems we are talking about different things |
| 19:18.58 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 - I am trying to access a chroot using schroot and the filesystems mentioned in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults are not being mounted. Can anyone help me find out why? |
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| 19:19.02 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, when you have the device plugged in can you find it in "lshal"? |
| 19:19.04 | SamuraiDio | Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald/usr/sbin/hald already running. |
| 19:19.09 | dryrot | how would i remove a package in 'rc' state ? |
| 19:19.25 | wols_ | dryrot: purge it /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 19:19.26 | stew | dryrot: the c means that it is already removed |
| 19:19.43 | stew | dryrot: c means "only configuration files remain" which means it has been removed but not purged |
| 19:19.55 | mimi | can anyone help me to get my msn account back |
| 19:20.05 | webPragmatist | wols_: ok all of the svn files are owned by a group "developers" ... currently I svn+ssh from my user using a shell but www-data can't do the same thing for obvious reasons |
| 19:20.07 | wols_ | Skiessi: first: do not message people, 2nd, go to #ubuntu. you run ubuntu |
| 19:20.33 | webPragmatist | when I svn+ssh it is to update the repo |
| 19:20.37 | Skiessi | ok then |
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| 19:20.45 | hugleo | http://www.ajudeumvirgem.com/index_en.html |
| 19:20.46 | webPragmatist | update the working copy checkout that is* |
| 19:20.47 | stew | mimi: do you have a debian related question? if not, you are in the wrong channel |
| 19:21.09 | wols_ | webPragmatist: are you checking in or out? |
| 19:21.12 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, to much info, cant find it... |
| 19:21.19 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, appears in lsusb: Bus 005 Device 007: ID 3538:0054 Power Quotient International Co., Ltd |
| 19:21.20 | webPragmatist | out |
| 19:21.32 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, lshal | less |
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| 19:21.38 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, then you can search for it. . . |
| 19:21.47 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, or lshal | grep sda |
| 19:22.02 | wols_ | webPragmatist: then what about this webdav stuff? |
| 19:22.12 | wols_ | webPragmatist: cause I'm still very confused here |
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| 19:22.29 | webPragmatist | i personally don't co using webdav ... it's just used for other people who don't know what they are doing |
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| 19:23.07 | webPragmatist | so theoretically I could CO using webdav instead using this script |
| 19:23.44 | piasdom | <---(fingers crossed) brb |
| 19:24.05 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, http://pastebin.com/f5ac5a8d3 <-- lines 808 to 839 |
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| 19:25.23 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, the usb drive was plugged in for that? |
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| 19:25.45 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, this is the visible problem: http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081007162318la9.jpg the device is created, as we can see in the terminal emulator, but the file managers does not show it in storage devices section |
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| 19:26.30 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, looks like hal is not finding it . . . at least from what i see in your pastebin |
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| 19:26.50 | Lagbolt | you sure it was plugged in during tha lshal? |
| 19:27.29 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, yes |
| 19:28.09 | florist | Lagbolt: Why do you say hal doesn't find hte device? lines starting from 808 describe the device. |
| 19:28.11 | Lagbolt | SamuraiDio, dpkg -l | grep hal and paste bin that |
| 19:28.27 | Lagbolt | florist, oh yeah? my bad i missed that |
| 19:28.30 | mimi | can someone help me to get my msn account back |
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| 19:28.49 | stew | mimi: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 19:31.17 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, http://pastebin.com/f77f31c77 |
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| 19:33.15 | spersaud | I want to play a cd |
| 19:33.28 | Borbus | Does anyone have idea about my time problem... time --version tries to execute --version |
| 19:33.33 | spersaud | does the audio cable have to be connected from cdrom for this to work ? |
| 19:33.37 | spersaud | I dont hear anything |
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| 19:34.15 | eldowan | spersaud: non cd audio works? |
| 19:34.21 | spersaud | eldowan: yes |
| 19:34.23 | spersaud | mp3s play |
| 19:34.41 | format_c | time tries to do what is supposed to |
| 19:34.42 | spersaud | using grip ... |
| 19:34.54 | SamuraiDio | Borbus, that is not a problem, it just does not have a --version option |
| 19:34.58 | SamuraiDio | Borbus, man time |
| 19:35.00 | eldowan | spersaud: what version of debian are you using? Does grip (or your audio player) play cda ? |
| 19:35.02 | Borbus | The time manual says it does |
| 19:35.14 | jelly | spersaud: if your media player has an option for "cdda" or cd-ripping, you can try using that |
| 19:35.18 | Borbus | Does debian use GNU time? |
| 19:35.20 | SamuraiDio | Lagbolt, see? |
| 19:35.28 | format_c | I see |
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| 19:35.38 | jelly | !wayttd Borbus |
| 19:35.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Borbus? |
| 19:35.39 | spersaud | I am using lenny |
| 19:35.56 | jelly | Borbus: "time" is often a shell builtin |
| 19:35.59 | Borbus | See the amount of time a C program takes to execute |
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| 19:36.17 | Borbus | I thought in GNU it was standalone |
| 19:36.20 | Lagbolt | yeah. not sure. something must be missing or not configured properly. not sure what tho |
| 19:36.31 | webPragmatist | wols_: thanks for your help ... i figure out a solution :) |
| 19:36.39 | webPragmatist | figure |
| 19:36.40 | webPragmatist | d |
| 19:36.48 | Borbus | Aha: /usr/bin/time --version |
| 19:36.51 | Borbus | That is GBU time |
| 19:37.05 | stew | Borbus: in bash it is a shell modifier, so "time <command>" in bash isn't executing /usr/bin/time |
| 19:37.05 | Borbus | Must have some other version built in to bash |
| 19:37.16 | spersaud | eldowan: I asume grip plays cda |
| 19:37.17 | stew | Borbus: run "type time" |
| 19:37.19 | spersaud | strange |
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| 19:37.35 | Borbus | Oh yeah shell keyword |
| 19:37.49 | jelly | Borbus: "help time" would provide a short explanation, I think |
| 19:37.52 | Borbus | So I need to run the program absolutely? |
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| 19:38.13 | jelly | only if you want to use GNU time and not the shell builting |
| 19:38.17 | jelly | s/g$// |
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| 19:38.21 | Borbus | Odd.. so GNU has two times..? |
| 19:38.28 | eldowan | spersaud: can you try cdcd ? |
| 19:38.29 | stew | Borbus: what is wrong with the builtin version? |
| 19:38.36 | Borbus | I want to format the output |
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| 19:38.48 | format_c | Borbus, $ type time |
| 19:38.48 | format_c | time is a shell keyword |
| 19:39.27 | stew | Borbus: try "help time" you can format the output of the builtin |
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| 19:39.49 | Borbus | time [-p] PIPELINE |
| 19:39.57 | Borbus | Only -p is an option for builtin |
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| 19:40.35 | jelly | Borbus: but also "This uses the value of the TIMEFORMAT variable as the output format.", and man bash will hopefully explain the syntax |
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| 19:41.04 | format_c | Borbus, $ env time --version |
| 19:41.07 | jelly | then again, I'd go with /usr/bin/time at that point if I knew it worked |
| 19:41.27 | Borbus | Yeah I will use GNU time |
| 19:41.40 | Borbus | Thanks guys |
| 19:41.43 | eldowan | Is ntfs-3g recommended over ntfsprogs and ntfsmount? |
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| 19:42.29 | jetscreamer | if you want to write |
| 19:42.42 | spersaud | eldowan: I do play it says cant parse cd |
| 19:42.50 | jetscreamer | read only, use the regular |
| 19:42.51 | jelly | ntfsprogs does write now, too, doesn't it? |
| 19:43.01 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g has big overhead |
| 19:43.04 | Borbus | spersaud: it's not a weird copy protected ie. broken CD is it? |
| 19:43.06 | eldowan | jelly: yes. |
| 19:43.16 | jetscreamer | not sure, it 'always' claimed to write... :) |
| 19:43.19 | jelly | and they're doing fuse too |
| 19:43.21 | spersaud | Borbus: nope I tried 3 different cds |
| 19:43.28 | eldowan | jelly: jetscreamer: when I used ntfsprogs and transferred a lot of files, my system would abruptly power down... |
| 19:43.53 | jelly | eldowan: power down is _extremely_ unusual. It didn't just crash? |
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| 19:45.10 | florist | SamuraiDio: Do you've the same same version of thunar on your desktop and your laptop? |
| 19:45.21 | florist | s/same same/same/ |
| 19:45.21 | jetscreamer | back to work, 'lunch' is over |
| 19:45.27 | eldowan | jelly: complete power down. Only on transfer of thousands of files, 40+ GB information. PSU powered down, keyboard lights went off. the whole deal |
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| 19:45.40 | jmalicki | eldowan: have you checked for bad capacitors? that's not software |
| 19:45.44 | jmalicki | err probably not software |
| 19:46.08 | mogunus | Hi. Not trolling: can someone link me to a good explination of the reason for splitting packages into -dev and application parts? |
| 19:46.12 | jelly | eldowan: that's some weird-ass bug. Sounds more like fawlty hardware |
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| 19:46.35 | eldowan | jelly: thats what I was thinking too. jmalicki: I haven't checked. |
| 19:46.49 | eldowan | jelly: however, I'm using ntfs-3g with no issues currently. Time will tell. |
| 19:46.51 | jmalicki | eldowan: they should all have perfectly flat tops |
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| 19:47.01 | eldowan | jmalicki: thanks. |
| 19:47.05 | jmalicki | eldowan: if they're sort of spherical, the board they're on is bad |
| 19:47.24 | jelly | mogunus: apart from the obvious "disk usage" (now rather obsolete) and "conflicting -dev packages" reasons? |
| 19:47.37 | SamuraiDio | florist, the problem is not with the fileman, it occurs with nautilus and knoqueror also |
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| 19:47.46 | eldowan | On a tangent; tar is able to go through a tarball, and extract only certain files to their correct places yes? say only files with a certain extension? |
| 19:47.49 | beardy | mogunus: The reason should be obvious? Many people only want and need the libraries to be able to run a program, not all of it, therefor they are divided, to save space mostly. |
| 19:47.51 | eldowan | jmalicki: thanks for the info |
| 19:47.53 | SamuraiDio | florist, seens something with the message system, but i can't find what |
| 19:48.00 | florist | SamuraiDio: OK. |
| 19:48.02 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d257556f8 |
| 19:48.19 | mogunus | jelly: I have zero experience with debian, and I'm curious. I didn't think disk space would be the reason. |
| 19:48.44 | mogunus | jelly: what does the "conflicting -dev packages" reason entail? |
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| 19:49.05 | beardy | mogunus: It is. Trying to not do things in a bloated way is a good thing. |
| 19:49.05 | eldowan | spersaud: lenny *should* read w/o the audio cable I believe. |
| 19:49.30 | jelly | mogunus: debian often provides multiple incompatible versions of tools, eg. tcl8.3-dev, tcl8.4-dev, tcl8.5-dev; they might have conflicting file paths or mess with each other in different ways |
| 19:49.44 | Borbus | Depends what player you are using actually.. I don't think is has anything to with debian |
| 19:50.06 | beardy | !audio cd |
| 19:50.06 | dpkg | 0. run the cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card 1. 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' or whatever your device is (only for IDE) 2. adduser username cdrom 3. don't forget to log out and relogin |
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| 19:50.15 | mogunus | jelly, beardy: ah, understood. thanks for the information. |
| 19:50.24 | beardy | Hmm. |
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| 19:50.55 | beardy | eldowan: Well, what Borbus said anyway. Depends on the player if it's read analog or digitally. |
| 19:50.56 | Borbus | I think something like VLC will extract audio data from a CD regardless |
| 19:51.10 | eldowan | spersaud: ^^ |
| 19:51.11 | MrWGW | hey |
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| 19:51.19 | jelly | mogunus: you can usually install one or more of runtime tools at the same time, but only one of -dev |
| 19:51.21 | Borbus | Obviously you still need to be able to read the device though |
| 19:51.42 | Borbus | beardy: not analogue.. with the cable the PCM just goes direct to the sound card's DAC |
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| 19:52.09 | ipodtouch | olaaaaaaa |
| 19:52.19 | jelly | Borbus: s/read/access/, give it ioctls to make it play, seek etc. This means write perms too I think |
| 19:52.32 | ipodtouch | quien de aqu me puede resolber unas dudas del ipod touch??????????? |
| 19:52.36 | Borbus | Good point |
| 19:52.42 | jelly | !es |
| 19:52.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:53.01 | bolt | trying to trace an ip, and traceroute stops on 193.75.2.205 giving me a strange "!N" like this: "3 ge-0-0-3-10.br1.osls.no.catchbone.net (193.75.2.205) 13.391 ms !N 15.102 ms !N 16.560 ms !N" What is that? |
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| 19:53.39 | jelly | bolt: the manual doesn't explain it? |
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| 19:54.33 | bolt | jelly: only that it means "network unreachable". which network? |
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| 19:54.51 | dryrot | why would this happen? shouldn't it say lenny/sid ? http://pastebin.com/f6fbb5c7b |
| 19:55.06 | jelly | bolt: the network 193.75.2.205 tried to route to, I presume |
| 19:55.32 | jmalicki | dryrot: it said etch |
| 19:55.37 | jelly | bolt: that is, the network of the next hop |
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| 19:55.55 | bolt | jelly: ah. right. |
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| 19:55.59 | indro | hi all |
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| 19:56.11 | jmalicki | dryrot: you're really trying to do an upgrade w/o watching the output? |
| 19:56.17 | jmalicki | dryrot: doesn't that seem unwise? |
| 19:56.26 | jmalicki | it might tell you what's going wrong |
| 19:56.27 | dryrot | jmalicki: nah. i just didnt want a lot of output for the pastebin |
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| 19:56.30 | indro | im searching a tool with that i can create visual a database layout |
| 19:56.34 | indro | anyone know something? |
| 19:56.42 | jmalicki | dryrot: one normally does dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.47 | jsoftw | Ive installed debian onto a box, but it just sits there at startup with an 'Attempting to startup linux' or something like that, and then an F1: Linux option |
| 19:56.51 | Borbus | indro: you mean an ER diagram? |
| 19:56.53 | edwin_quijada | indro: what database? |
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| 19:56.58 | indro | something like ms visio but for a database layout |
| 19:57.00 | jsoftw | and basically it just sits there and does nothing, beeping every now and then. |
| 19:57.03 | jmalicki | dryrot: but without the output, how coudl we tell what's wrong? |
| 19:57.03 | jsoftw | Pressing F1 does nothing. |
| 19:57.05 | indro | Borbus: yes right |
| 19:57.20 | Borbus | indro: dia I think |
| 19:57.21 | jmalicki | jsoftw: bad boodloader install probably |
| 19:57.27 | jsoftw | Hmm |
| 19:57.29 | dryrot | jmalicki: http://pastebin.com/m24b04718 |
| 19:57.30 | jsoftw | What a hassle. |
| 19:57.37 | jmalicki | jsoftw: sometimes it means your bootloader/linux and the BIOS disagree on the disk order and naming |
| 19:57.39 | peppe | indro: like http://ondras.zarovi.cz/sql/ ? :) |
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| 19:58.40 | jmalicki | weird |
| 19:58.40 | indro | nice, just like that, thanks. :) |
| 19:59.11 | Borbus | peppe: that's pretty neat |
| 19:59.23 | Borbus | Dia does also do what you want if you need an offline app |
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| 19:59.48 | peppe | actually you can download it |
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| 20:00.12 | Borbus | Yeah of course.. it is free software :) |
| 20:00.31 | indro | Borbus: yeah but dia its to general |
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| 20:00.51 | indro | http://ondras.zarovi.cz/sql/ is just what i need |
| 20:01.07 | indro | thank you both. ;) |
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| 20:01.25 | TMM | ok, say you're a complete moron |
| 20:01.33 | TMM | and you remove dpkg, because you failed to properly check a script |
| 20:01.37 | Borbus | I prefer drawing my ER diagrams the other way though |
| 20:01.39 | TMM | theoretically, how would one reinstall it? |
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| 20:01.48 | eldowan | I've got a quesiton about tar. I'm trying to extract all the .htaccess files from a large tarball, into their specific directories. I don't see an option to allow only a certain file(s) only to exclude. Would it be possible to excluede everything BUT .htaccess files, or would it be better to list the whole tarball, and grep only the .htaccess files? |
| 20:01.52 | Borbus | More shapes = better diagram :P |
| 20:01.53 | TMM | not that that happened to me, obviously, but I'd still like to know ;) |
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| 20:02.04 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d257556f8 this is all i have when pluggin the usb storage device, is it ok or should have more info? |
| 20:02.29 | Borbus | TMM: assuming you still have gcc I suppose you could compile another |
| 20:02.40 | Borbus | Or put the contents of the deb in the right place |
| 20:02.54 | TMM | Borbus: hmm. I suppose I could do that |
| 20:03.01 | jsoftw | jmalicki: there is only one logical disk |
| 20:03.10 | Borbus | I once nearly removed dpkg |
| 20:03.19 | Borbus | Well I removed every package on my system |
| 20:03.28 | jsoftw | awesome |
| 20:03.30 | Borbus | Actually.. that probably wouldnt remove dpkg.. unless dpkg is a package |
| 20:03.39 | stew | TMM: you could extract the contents of the dpkg.deb to / .deb files are ar archives containing 2 .tar.gzs |
| 20:03.40 | TMM | it is |
| 20:03.41 | simonrvn | it is... |
| 20:03.47 | jsoftw | I guess it is then |
| 20:03.48 | stew | Borbus: dpkg is a package |
| 20:03.50 | eldowan | Borbus: It would need to be to be updated by aptitude and such |
| 20:03.58 | webPragmatist | how do you install dpkg |
| 20:03.59 | jsoftw | Newsflash: dpkg is a package |
| 20:04.03 | Borbus | lol ok.. glad I stopped dpkg before it did it self destructed then |
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| 20:04.13 | TMM | feels like an idiot |
| 20:04.48 | eldowan | TMM: could you install a new system to a USB drive, and then copy the neccessary files to your hypothetical system? |
| 20:04.53 | Borbus | In theory what would happen if you really did remove every package.. would just you just be left with the kernel in memory and anything else that was in memory? |
| 20:04.55 | eldowan | hypothetically, of course. |
| 20:05.19 | eldowan | Borbus: and any user created files and directories I'd imagine |
| 20:05.27 | stew | Borbus: no, things would fail before you could remove every package |
| 20:05.32 | spersaud | eldowan: alsaplayer works :) |
| 20:05.34 | spersaud | thanks |
| 20:05.42 | eldowan | spersaud: you fixed it, not I. Good work |
| 20:05.47 | stew | and there are plenty of files that aren't in packages |
| 20:06.04 | webPragmatist | so then what came first? dpkg or the package of dpkg? |
| 20:06.13 | stew | webPragmatist: what do you mean? |
| 20:06.19 | Lagbolt | webPragmatist, seriously. think about that |
| 20:06.28 | Borbus | What's a goblin? |
| 20:06.34 | Lagbolt | :) it isnt as hard as chicken or the egg |
| 20:06.36 | TMM | looks like I don't have 'ar' |
| 20:06.43 | webPragmatist | oh it is |
| 20:07.44 | TMM | damn... /me is boned |
| 20:07.58 | stew | TMM: you'll have to copy it from a working install. how did you remove it? |
| 20:08.00 | Borbus | Time to stop looking at porn? |
| 20:08.13 | streuner_ | never! |
| 20:08.24 | TMM | stew: I was dicking around backporting some packages, and then I fucked up and I wanted to undo my changes |
| 20:08.39 | TMM | stew: so I forcefully removed all the new debs I made, to later reinstall them from the repositories |
| 20:08.48 | TMM | stew: one of them was dpkg-dev... I kinda forgot about that |
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| 20:09.35 | indro | peppe: do you know how to move the connector to another attribut? |
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| 20:10.11 | indro | or another table? |
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| 20:10.41 | jsoftw | What's the 'name' of debian 4.0 ? |
| 20:10.45 | stew | jsoftw: etch |
| 20:10.47 | jsoftw | ahh ok |
| 20:11.17 | TMM | yay! fixed it :) |
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| 20:12.18 | indro | peppe: still here? |
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| 20:13.17 | eldowan | TMM: how? |
| 20:13.22 | pickcoder | has anyone used the ESB2 SATA chipset in RAID mode on Intel 5400 boards? |
| 20:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic! |
| 20:13.34 | TMM | eldowan: unpacked dpkg on a working system :) |
| 20:13.43 | webPragmatist | wols_: lol now i need to create a home dir for www-data because I can't accept the ssh fingerprint permanently without it :\ |
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| 20:14.02 | eldowan | TMM: now you know how to effectively cripple a system. :D |
| 20:14.17 | TMM | eldowan: I always thought I'd be smarter than this ... :) |
| 20:14.21 | stew | now the method he knows to cripple a system is less effective |
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| 20:14.58 | eldowan | stew: could you rename dpkg, make, and gcc to make a system where nothing could be (un)installed? |
| 20:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still quite effective if you don't have a 2nd system around |
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| 20:15.25 | peppe | indro: hm, yes, sorry... I think you should create delete the old one and create a new one |
| 20:15.35 | Borbus | Bit off topic but anyone here on t-mobile UK? Has your phone stopped working? |
| 20:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan, need to remove 'rm', too :) |
| 20:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | a bit? |
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| 20:17.47 | oz123 | hello, is there any irc channel for developers ? |
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| 20:18.16 | petemc | oz123: what kind of developers? |
| 20:18.37 | marc7 | developers! developers! developers! |
| 20:18.46 | oz123 | I'm looking for someone who's on debian-www team |
| 20:18.58 | oz123 | not someone particular |
| 20:19.04 | streuner_ | oz123: #debian-www (OFTC) |
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| 20:19.19 | oz123 | streuner_, thank you. |
| 20:19.24 | oz123 | I'll check there |
| 20:19.57 | oz123 | streuner_, I'm sorry to tell this channel is empty... |
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| 20:20.10 | embrik | I suddenly lost my Norwegian keyboard - and it seems the US-keyboard is set as default. How do I choose Norwegian back? |
| 20:20.13 | anddam | hello |
| 20:20.21 | stew | embrik: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 20:20.52 | streuner_ | oz123: /connect irc.debian.org ;-) |
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| 20:21.33 | CharminTheMoose | how do I get iceweasel to use jack? i'm running debian testing |
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| 20:21.52 | zeta | debian newb here, how do i get java to work on my 64-bit machine? |
| 20:21.54 | oz123 | streuner_, better now |
| 20:22.13 | stew | zeta: what are you planning to use java for? |
| 20:22.21 | ezguy | anyone know howto use k9copy to convert dvd to ipod video? |
| 20:22.25 | zeta | with iceweasel |
| 20:22.28 | zeta | for some applets |
| 20:22.29 | zeta | online |
| 20:22.38 | stew | zeta: what version of debian? etch aka stable aka 4.0? |
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| 20:22.52 | zeta | no lenny |
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| 20:23.24 | stew | zeta: aptitude install icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
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| 20:23.39 | zeta | does gcj work well with most applets? |
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| 20:24.37 | embrik | stew, I wrote /msg dpkg keymap and got: /msg: command not found |
| 20:24.45 | stew | dpkg: tell embrik about keymap |
| 20:25.18 | anddam | embrik: what client are you using? |
| 20:25.22 | Lagbolt | CharminTheMoose, you might be able to put it in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc under ICEWEASEL_DSP="jack" |
| 20:25.22 | stew | zeta: this plugin doesn't the gcj runtime, it uses openjdk, its probably not flawless, but it is your best option |
| 20:25.37 | webPragmatist | is it possible to store an ssh fingerprint for permanently for all users? |
| 20:25.43 | webPragmatist | -for |
| 20:25.47 | stew | anddam: i'm assuming he thought i was giving him a shell command, i don't think he realized i mean thte /msg irc command |
| 20:26.27 | anddam | stew: oh, right |
| 20:26.37 | anddam | stew: so "help msg" or "man msg" |
| 20:26.42 | anddam | maybe bash has it |
| 20:26.51 | stew | anddam: has what? |
| 20:26.57 | anddam | "msg" builtin |
| 20:27.10 | stew | anddam: i think you are confused. i'm telling him to type a command in irc |
| 20:27.13 | Schnorrix | hi, i'd really like to get my HUAWEI220 UMTS Modem to work, so i can connect ti the web witch my debian PC at all. I downloaded Lenny DVD1, in which wvdial is not included. |
| 20:27.14 | Schnorrix | I did find it here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/comm/wvdial |
| 20:27.14 | Schnorrix | i did find gnome-ppp, which i want to install, too. |
| 20:27.14 | Schnorrix | So here is my question: How do i get the packages installed from a usb-stick (which is recognized correctly by debian/gnome) ? |
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| 20:27.21 | stew | !tell Schnorrix about paste |
| 20:27.26 | anddam | stew: I was kidding on the fact that he typed msg in console |
| 20:27.29 | Schnorrix | srry :) |
| 20:27.53 | stew | Schnorrix: /msg dpkg apt-move ; /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 20:27.57 | anddam | stew: I've been using irc for like 10 years, I got used to msg ... |
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| 20:28.38 | Schnorrix | @ stew when i am in /media/"usbstick"# ? |
| 20:28.56 | stew | Schnorrix: dpkg is a bot in this channel which will give you information if you send it messages |
| 20:29.27 | Schnorrix | i got it, thanx |
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| 20:35.23 | robnyc|work | I just mounted my server at work and i flipped a coin to see either centos or debian LOL this is funny, heads was debian, tails was centos, and centos won 2 and debian won 5 LOL |
| 20:35.27 | Schnorrix | btw do you have more bots in here like dpkg? would you please tell me how to know who they are? |
| 20:36.01 | PaulTT | is not a bot. |
| 20:36.09 | Schnorrix | ^.^ |
| 20:36.23 | PaulTT | You should treat the other 858 users in here as suspect... |
| 20:36.31 | PaulTT | eyes dpkg |
| 20:36.34 | Schnorrix | godd idea, i gues ;D |
| 20:36.38 | Schnorrix | good* |
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| 20:37.06 | PaulTT | tears off a piece of tin foil and hands it to Schnorrix |
| 20:37.35 | Schnorrix | uhm, ok |
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| 20:37.54 | omni | hey folks.. 2 questions: 1) How can I set the system to restart when someone closes firefox? and 2) How can I set the system to automatically log in as a specific user unless I choose "single-user mode" in the grub menu? (ie, in all other modes, automatically log in as 'kiosk' user, but in runlevel 1, prompt for login to console) |
| 20:38.11 | dryrot | im having a problem upgrading to lenny: http://pastebin.com/m3f99062c |
| 20:38.38 | Schnorrix | i'll put it as em-shield on my graca :) |
| 20:38.46 | jsoftw | Damn debian is not installing its boot loader stuff properly |
| 20:38.51 | omni | oh and for question 1, I only want the system to restart when the 'kiosk' user closes firefox (which, in turn, closes X automatically - so I could just as easily implement a solution that restarts the system when X closes) |
| 20:38.56 | jsoftw | Beep.... Beep.... Beep at the cmd prompt. |
| 20:38.58 | jsoftw | GRRR> |
| 20:39.07 | stew | jsoftw: /msg dpkg bell |
| 20:39.26 | stew | dryrot: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 20:39.48 | jsoftw | stew: no.. it's not even booting up into debian. |
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| 20:45.23 | MrKeuner | hi all, will a for loop of n loops on a quad 'some core' running Debian by default run 4 times faster than a single 'some core' running on Debian? Or do I need a special compiler on a quad core system? |
| 20:45.39 | jsoftw | Hmm. |
| 20:45.49 | Borbus | What language? |
| 20:45.56 | MrKeuner | java? |
| 20:46.05 | Borbus | IF it's C you will need to thread it to let it uses multiple cores |
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| 20:46.11 | Borbus | Java I don't know.. |
| 20:46.27 | jsoftw | Am booted into a new debian install now, but the mbr stuff was installed onto the usb flash drive that I installed it with. How do I install the mbr and all that jazz onto the right drive? |
| 20:46.35 | eldowan | MrKeuner: I would assume that by default it will be single threaded. |
| 20:46.49 | MrKeuner | Borbus: so binaries I get from Debian i386 repository will not run faster on a quad core |
| 20:47.26 | drbair_work | MrKeuner: no, it won't |
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| 20:47.47 | MrKeuner | drbair_work: is there a repository for multi cores? |
| 20:47.53 | drbair_work | unless as mentioned you thread |
| 20:48.04 | drbair_work | the kernel is smp, but the description of the program is not |
| 20:48.45 | drbair_work | a loop will go one by one no matter how many procs you have |
| 20:49.20 | MrKeuner | isn't it a good idea to have a repository where packages are compiled using multi core thread? |
| 20:49.43 | simonrvn | no. you wanna put up the disk space? |
| 20:49.57 | themill | MrKeuner: it's not just a question of compilation; the program normally needs to be rewritten to take advantage of multiple threads. |
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| 20:50.24 | simonrvn | then you'll propose to have builds for dual core, ht, and other such things? |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | it will run faster in that there will be less context switching for a single core of the same speed |
| 20:50.45 | wols_ | MrKeuner: nonsensical question |
| 20:50.50 | wols_ | MrKeuner: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/Thread.html |
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| 20:50.57 | MrKeuner | simonrvn: I am not proposing anything, just trying to understand |
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| 20:51.05 | wols_ | MrKeuner: then learn what threads are |
| 20:51.39 | wols_ | MrKeuner: google about multithreaded programming |
| 20:52.16 | MrKeuner | drbair_work: I was assuming that multi cores would share the jobs in loop |
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| 20:53.18 | drbair_work | MrKeuner: nope... wouldn't work so well since the iterations of the loop generally share data |
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| 20:53.35 | drbair_work | there are some libraries out there that can help with some cases... I'm not familiar with them though |
| 20:53.44 | {`} | *see erlang |
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| 20:54.21 | jelly | MrKeuner: programs need to be carefully and methodically written to make use of multiple threads when available |
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| 20:55.41 | omni | I'm trying to set up a web-only kiosk. I've used debian as the base, and I need a way to make the system reboot when X dies for a certain user (or when firefox dies for that user). I notice that ubuntu automatically reboots when you end your X session - can anyone explain how I can emulate this? |
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| 20:56.40 | eldowan | omni: you can monitor the state of X, and if X's pid is gone, init 6 ? |
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| 20:56.45 | MrKeuner | jelly: I see, thank you. Thanks drbair_work and themill for the help |
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| 20:59.14 | n3kl | Hey |
| 20:59.48 | n3kl | Anyone using ntop? I want to know about hte load that it places on teh system. I have a tiny 800mhz gateway I want to load it on but I don't want to overload the system |
| 20:59.53 | muddd | what is the method to use if I want, at boot, to start a screen session with a program in it for a user on my system... i tried @reboot in crontab but it said must be connected to a terminal |
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| 21:00.15 | jelly | muddd: stick it in inittab? |
| 21:00.29 | muddd | Hmm. i will try that |
| 21:00.34 | demism | anyone know how to create a bridge using router and laptop? |
| 21:00.49 | jelly | muddd: oh, do you want to start a detached screen session, or one working at the console? |
| 21:00.57 | muddd | detached |
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| 21:01.16 | jelly | forget about inittab then, I thought something different |
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| 21:01.35 | muddd | i will keep inittab in mind for other things though, ty |
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| 21:01.39 | demism | my laptop has internet through wireless and I want the router to broadcast that to the rest of my home. Any ideas? |
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| 21:02.05 | n3kl | demism: turn on forwarding and use your lan interface as the gateway for the rest of your network |
| 21:02.17 | n3kl | demism: I think there is somehting called dnsmasq that will do it for you |
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| 21:02.32 | n3kl | er, maybe nevermind that might not be what you need |
| 21:02.39 | jelly | muddd: rtfm, then, and search for "detached" a few times :-) |
| 21:02.39 | n3kl | someone, whats that nat only setup tool called |
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| 21:03.09 | demism | brctl that lets me bridge |
| 21:03.11 | muddd | yeah my bonehead self just asked google almighty and found the answer... sorry for not trying that first |
| 21:03.12 | pickcoder | ipmasq |
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| 21:03.33 | muddd | pweeez forgive me |
| 21:03.33 | n3kl | ah, ipmasq, not dnsmasq... |
| 21:03.37 | jsoftw | I think there is a 'serach for detatched in manpage' package around. |
| 21:03.37 | wols_ | n3kl: ipmasq |
| 21:03.46 | jelly | !spank muddd |
| 21:03.46 | dpkg | bends muddd over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 21:03.49 | wols_ | demism: what do you want to broadcast exactly? |
| 21:04.03 | n3kl | jelly: dirty jelly ;) |
| 21:04.05 | muddd | ha! |
| 21:04.11 | wols_ | n3kl: dnsmasq is a caching dns and dhcpserver |
| 21:04.14 | muddd | dpkg is full of useful info and functions |
| 21:04.14 | dpkg | wish i knew, muddd |
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| 21:04.25 | muddd | dpkg is my friend |
| 21:04.25 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, muddd |
| 21:04.28 | jelly | yes, _very_ useful |
| 21:04.30 | muddd | ooo burned |
| 21:04.37 | n3kl | wols_: why is dnsmasq better than bind9 + dhcp3-server? Ease of setup? |
| 21:04.44 | muddd | i hath been spurned |
| 21:04.45 | pickcoder | guess we'll see how well supported the ESB2 chipset is in RAID when the board gets here |
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| 21:05.16 | wols_ | n3kl: same reason postfix or exim are better than sendmail |
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| 21:05.32 | n3kl | wols_: less manual shizzle |
| 21:05.33 | pickcoder | wols_: you don't have to learn M4? |
| 21:05.40 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:05.50 | wols_ | pickcoder: you don't condemn your soul to external hell |
| 21:05.57 | stew | isn't sendmail config easier than exim config these days? |
| 21:05.58 | demism | wols_: ok so here at home I have a local hotspot that I can access from my balcony, I would like to broadcast that signal to the rest of my house. So that I may use my computer in my room, wii, psp, etc. |
| 21:06.03 | n3kl | but is dnsmasq like a frontend for bind9? |
| 21:06.04 | simonrvn | just internal hell :P |
| 21:06.05 | pickcoder | is happy with bind9 |
| 21:06.24 | n3kl | demism: so you want to use it as a gateway |
| 21:06.24 | wols_ | demism: your laptop needs two network cards then |
| 21:06.28 | peterS | n3kl: well it's also a DHCP server. I am not sure why they thought it was a good idea to do both |
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| 21:06.44 | pickcoder | peterS: more is better? |
| 21:06.47 | wols_ | peterS: it's a all in one package for small lans |
| 21:06.48 | demism | wols_: well, one is the wireless card, and I have an extra port. |
| 21:06.54 | n3kl | meh, dhcp3-server and bind9 are both put out by ISC iirc |
| 21:07.03 | jelly | wishes cp had a progress bar |
| 21:07.11 | n3kl | there is some cool dynamic stuff you can do with it |
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| 21:07.16 | demism | n3kl: I guess... not sure what the correct terminology is. |
| 21:07.25 | wols_ | demism: un ipmasq on the laptop and make the wlan the external interface there. then connect the rest of your apartment on the ethernet |
| 21:07.28 | pickcoder | jelly: -v? |
| 21:07.37 | jelly | no, a progress bar. |
| 21:07.49 | wols_ | s/un/use |
| 21:08.06 | wols_ | demism: if you want you can run dnsmasq too |
| 21:08.12 | EmleyMoor | I'm seeking some help with schroot - mount-defaults specified filesystems are not mounting in the schroot but are enabled, as http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 show |
| 21:08.20 | pickcoder | gets to test an MFT solution shortly |
| 21:08.34 | n3kl | jelly: I think there is one called bar that you can use for a few things, like tar |
| 21:08.40 | n3kl | jelly: cp might be one of them |
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| 21:08.46 | demism | wols_: do I need to run both or is ipmasq sufficient? |
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| 21:09.09 | wols_ | demism: ipmasq is sufficient if you want. you will need to use static IPs then inside your lan tho |
| 21:09.18 | wols_ | with dnsmasq you can use dhcp |
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| 21:09.45 | demism | wols_: so either or right? |
| 21:09.52 | peterS | jelly: this is why when you really have a lot of data to copy you use pv < input > output |
| 21:09.57 | wols_ | demism: yes |
| 21:10.03 | peterS | jelly: of course that doesn't replace cp -r |
| 21:10.03 | jelly | pickcoder: something like wget or scp do |
| 21:10.16 | jelly | s/do/have/ |
| 21:10.25 | n3kl | peterS: ahhh, that was the other one |
| 21:10.34 | wols_ | what is this pv? can't find it in debian |
| 21:10.48 | jelly | !find bin/pv$ |
| 21:10.58 | n3kl | p pv - Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through |
| 21:11.06 | wols_ | why can't pdo find it :( |
| 21:11.09 | stew | dpkg: tell wols_ about search |
| 21:11.15 | stew | :P |
| 21:11.19 | jelly | didn't know n3kl was a bot |
| 21:11.19 | wols_ | probably not in stable :( |
| 21:11.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pv' (1): (/usr/bin/pv) in utils/pv. |
| 21:11.34 | wols_ | stew: it's not in debian! it's not in debian! :P |
| 21:11.39 | n3kl | jelly: at your service |
| 21:11.53 | jelly | n3kl: botsnack yourself! |
| 21:11.54 | wols_ | at least not in a released one |
| 21:12.00 | n3kl | yum? |
| 21:12.08 | jelly | apt. |
| 21:12.09 | demism | wols_: are you familiar with dnsmasq? know how to do it? eth1 wan and eth0 is my lan |
| 21:12.14 | stew | judd: versions pv |
| 21:12.15 | judd | stew: pv: 0.9.6-1 (etch) 1.1.4-1 (lenny) 1.1.4-1 (sid) |
| 21:12.23 | EmleyMoor | pv is definitely in Debian - I've installed and used it |
| 21:12.33 | n3kl | How much load does ntop place on a system? |
| 21:12.34 | pickcoder | wols_: pv is installable... apt-get instlal pv |
| 21:12.41 | pickcoder | install works better though |
| 21:12.47 | wols_ | demism: don't ask meta questions |
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| 21:13.22 | wols_ | pickcoder: I looked for bin/pv and damn pdo wouldn't find it |
| 21:13.25 | jelly | n3kl: not much, but I've seen it eat up disk space; that was a long time ago, possibly fixed |
| 21:13.50 | n3kl | jelly: cool |
| 21:14.00 | jelly | n3kl: it might use more if your machine is a busy router, I guess |
| 21:14.15 | stew | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fpv&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 21:14.21 | n3kl | I may eventually install snort also, but I am going to do it one step at a ttime till I found out how much is too much |
| 21:14.22 | demism | wols_: what is a meta question hahah? |
| 21:14.38 | stew | i suppose that was a meta^2 question |
| 21:15.27 | kansan | i'm out for now, i'll be back tomorrow (or maybe tonight) thanks for everyones help!can someone help me get my firewall working? i'm trying to enable remote access for mysql (its running on port 3306, and i know this cuz i was able to telnet to it form within the box on port 3306). right now when i try to telnet to the port that i know mysql is running on, i get: (telnet 123.823.x.x 3306 => telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused) |
| 21:15.28 | kansan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.31 | stew | demism: he means that you should ask a specific question instead of asking him if he knows about dnsmasq in order to setup a specific question about dnsmasq |
| 21:15.51 | n3kl | demism: I thought we established that ipmasq was what you wanted to do nat through your laptop' |
| 21:15.55 | n3kl | s wirelles connection |
| 21:16.04 | stew | kansan: what ip is mysql listening to? (/msg dpkg open ports) |
| 21:16.16 | stew | kansan: perhaps it is only listening to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:16.46 | n3kl | that couldn't possible be it |
| 21:16.51 | kansan | steinchen, let me check |
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| 21:17.14 | demism | n3kl: ipmasq or dnsmasq was established. Now I need help configuring it, but I will read up on it. Just hoping someone knew how to do it, so it can be specific rather than me hunting, but there is no problem either way. Thanks stew. |
| 21:17.29 | SJrX | Hmmmm what's a good spam filter I can easily install without being a master in MTA's |
| 21:18.02 | Pryon | bogofilter |
| 21:18.03 | pickcoder | SJrX: amavisd-new + spamassassin + clamav |
| 21:18.06 | pickcoder | + postfix |
| 21:18.13 | n3kl | demism: from what you have said, it sounds like you want ipmasq. Install it with apt-get install ipmasq, then read the docs on how to use it in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq |
| 21:18.36 | wols_ | demism: for dnsmasq read /etc/dnsmasq.conf for ipasmq there isn't kmuch necessary except installing it |
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| 21:19.12 | jelly | pickcoder: he said, with_out_ being a master |
| 21:19.19 | pickcoder | apt-get install |
| 21:19.23 | pickcoder | it all works outta the box |
| 21:19.26 | pickcoder | apart from site config |
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| 21:19.45 | jelly | amavis and postfix don't bind ootb. |
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| 21:20.03 | pickcoder | they don't? |
| 21:20.16 | wols_ | pickcoder: unlikely with the postfix chroot |
| 21:20.21 | jelly | configuration is required |
| 21:20.22 | pickcoder | I don't remember editing master.cf the last few times I installed it |
| 21:20.47 | pickcoder | jelly: well obviously some amount of config is required |
| 21:20.48 | wols_ | pickcoder: but main.cf? |
| 21:21.03 | jelly | pickcoder: then it's not "apt-get install" nor ootb |
| 21:21.04 | pickcoder | just the policy_filter |
| 21:21.09 | pickcoder | w/e |
| 21:21.16 | jelly | rght |
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| 21:23.07 | SJrX | pickcoder, hmmmmm is there a way to do that with exim? |
| 21:23.14 | jelly | I'm not sure sa-update works ootb either |
| 21:23.18 | pickcoder | SJrX: no clue I don't run exim |
| 21:23.54 | EmleyMoor | No-one here using schroot? Looks like I will have to keep trying at other times |
| 21:24.18 | pickcoder | SJrX: if you use a reliable RBL your filtering will be minimal |
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| 21:26.27 | SJrX | Hmmmmm |
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| 21:26.42 | SJrX | So just find a way to use RBL with exim? |
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| 21:26.55 | pickcoder | I didn't say you didn't need a filter... :) |
| 21:27.17 | SJrX | Hmmmm |
| 21:27.19 | SJrX | filter? |
| 21:27.24 | pickcoder | spam filter |
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| 21:27.28 | SJrX | Hmmmm |
| 21:27.33 | EmleyMoor | is ordering some stickers for his keyboard soon - looking to convert to Dvorak |
| 21:27.33 | SJrX | well I already have one, from years ago |
| 21:27.43 | SJrX | EmleyMoor just rearrange the keys |
| 21:27.45 | SJrX | that's what I did |
| 21:27.48 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.02 | EmleyMoor | SJrX: I've not got a keyboard on which that will 100% work |
| 21:28.03 | SJrX | errr wait, I also think I painted it black, but that may have been way back |
| 21:28.13 | SJrX | Hmmm it was kinda weird at first |
| 21:28.14 | pickcoder | get the OLED keyboard from ThinkGeek and put pics on the keys |
| 21:28.33 | EmleyMoor | This new one might but I don't actually fancy stripping it down - scissor-base keys |
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| 21:29.08 | JochenA | I'm running a Gnome desktop on lenny. I have the odd qt and kde app and they don't use font antialiasing. There is no setting for it in qt4-config. How can I get qt to antialias text? |
| 21:29.35 | SJrX | EmleyMoor Dvorak will probably be the single most satisfactory, and biggest acomplishement in your life, more so than parenting, graduating, or assembling your first computer. |
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| 21:30.30 | zizzfizzix | hi! what's with aptitude in sid? |
| 21:30.35 | pickcoder | I dunno.. my kids are pretty fun |
| 21:30.38 | EmleyMoor | I've got the chance even of doing my Sun keyboard at work |
| 21:30.43 | dryrot | zizzfizzix: what about it |
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| 21:30.58 | SJrX | pickcoder have you switched to dvorak |
| 21:31.04 | EmleyMoor | I will probably still have to QWERTY occasionally |
| 21:31.04 | pickcoder | no.. dunno what it is either |
| 21:31.20 | SJrX | Yeah EmleyMoor it's kinda weird, I don't know how to describe typing in QWERTY |
| 21:31.20 | EmleyMoor | pickcoder: Alternative keyboard layout - home row AOEUIDHTNS |
| 21:31.24 | zizzfizzix | dryrot: it doesn't work |
| 21:31.26 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:31.32 | SJrX | ',.pyfgcrl/= |
| 21:31.36 | SJrX | aoeuidhtns- |
| 21:31.40 | SJrX | ;qjkxbmwvz |
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| 21:31.54 | zizzfizzix | i get error while trying to update apps etc. |
| 21:31.54 | pickcoder | I'm too old to learn a new layout |
| 21:31.55 | EmleyMoor | First lesson is all uh and huh |
| 21:32.02 | SJrX | I find that I can still type in QWERTY which I just switched to type this sentence |
| 21:32.09 | SJrX | its not that I have forgotten how to do it |
| 21:32.20 | dryrot | oh, in sid. i am not crazy enough to run sid. lenny is about as crazy as i get |
| 21:32.20 | SJrX | but even these few sentences will make my wrist hurt again. |
| 21:32.29 | EmleyMoor | I don't think I will ever forget QWERTY |
| 21:32.47 | SJrX | It will become a choir to type it, if you stick with it. |
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| 21:32.57 | SJrX | Switching to dvorak is hard, cause it slows your typing to a crawl at first. |
| 21:33.10 | SJrX | But you need to stick with it, it took a few weeks for me to switch. |
| 21:33.22 | SJrX | and about a month or two to be back at my previous speed. |
| 21:33.27 | EmleyMoor | I tried a few lessons and was typing Uganda quite easily |
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| 21:35.15 | muddd | SJrX, how much faster are you at dvorak than qwerty? i've heard dvorak can be faster since its optimized or whatever |
| 21:35.38 | EmleyMoor | I will probably find I get less hand trouble once I settle on it |
| 21:35.46 | SJrX | Hmmmmmm Dvorak can be faster, I really am not that much faster it seems, maybe 20 wpm |
| 21:35.57 | SJrX | It depends, I type at 80~100 wpm anyway |
| 21:36.02 | SJrX | and I was basically there with QWERTY anyway |
| 21:36.11 | EmleyMoor | I can do 45ish |
| 21:36.15 | SJrX | I find that with Dvorak I have much more indurance |
| 21:36.15 | EmleyMoor | (on QWERTY) |
| 21:36.33 | EmleyMoor | goes to pour a diabolo |
| 21:36.40 | SJrX | I hear that it's easier to type faster on dvorak, but it doesn't mean that you will type faster. |
| 21:36.55 | muddd | i'm lucky enough to do 80's on qwerty also... never even seen someone use a dvorak |
| 21:37.05 | SJrX | Meaning that, at some point it's about dexterity and physiological limits, as opposed to keyboard layout efficiency |
| 21:37.22 | SJrX | You probably have, it's hard to know which keyboard layout someone is using. |
| 21:37.24 | SJrX | It's great though |
| 21:37.34 | muddd | I'd like to have a chair with a keyboard broken on the end of the armrests so you dont have to reach forward, just sit there and type, that would be cool |
| 21:37.48 | SJrX | we use to lemonparty, and strawberry short cake, peoples wallpaper and hoem pages at work when they left there computers unlocked. But no one really could get me |
| 21:37.49 | mavhc | dvorak's flaw is in ctrl-keys, ctrl-z,x,c,v are in the wrong place |
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| 21:37.56 | SJrX | until one day I left, and they used charmap (Windows) to do it. |
| 21:38.01 | muddd | ah |
| 21:38.04 | SJrX | Or yes, for vi, I HATE IT! |
| 21:38.08 | SJrX | I hate hate hate hate hate VI |
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| 21:38.34 | SJrX | But as for those other short cuts, no not really, well maybe. |
| 21:38.40 | SJrX | I never used keyboard shortcuts like that |
| 21:38.48 | SJrX | until after dvorak |
| 21:38.57 | SJrX | I still prefer SHIFT+DEL and SHIFT+INS |
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| 21:39.03 | SJrX | I think it was in the good old days of DOS |
| 21:39.05 | muddd | just looking at one gets me nervous |
| 21:39.20 | SJrX | Hmmmm actually thinking about it |
| 21:39.20 | mavhc | mudd: you can plug 2 keyboards in with usb, might help hacking such a device |
| 21:39.29 | SJrX | I use SHFT+DEL, and CTRL+V |
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| 21:39.54 | EmleyMoor | I always got on well with vi... |
| 21:40.07 | muddd | heh my command chair is being conceptualized |
| 21:40.07 | SparFux | What method do you suggest to serve a filesystem to another computer? |
| 21:40.21 | EmleyMoor | SparFux: What's the OS on the other computer? |
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| 21:40.28 | wols_ | SparFux: depends on the OSes involved |
| 21:40.29 | SparFux | Both is debain. |
| 21:40.31 | SparFux | Debian. |
| 21:40.32 | EmleyMoor | NfS |
| 21:40.42 | wols_ | SparFux: and how far away from each other they are in the network |
| 21:40.44 | muddd | nfs is faster than samba, or can be if you configure it correctly |
| 21:41.22 | muddd | lucky mine are all within 5 feet |
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| 21:42.42 | abrotman | uses nc to share files |
| 21:42.59 | Gm4n | is there a way to re-run a package's install script without reinstalling the package? |
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| 21:43.21 | wols_ | Gm4n: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 21:43.36 | EmleyMoor | One day I shall get my schroot working |
| 21:43.44 | Gm4n | awesome wols_! thanks yet again :) |
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| 21:44.51 | jsoftw | EmleyMoor: your what? |
| 21:44.58 | EmleyMoor | schroot |
| 21:45.02 | jsoftw | which is... |
| 21:45.08 | crashanddie | chroot? |
| 21:45.16 | EmleyMoor | I have a chroot that works - schroot is a method of calling upon it |
| 21:45.18 | jsoftw | obviously some sort of chroot, but of what |
| 21:45.23 | WolvBite | Can anyone in here help me install debian on a powermac g5 |
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| 21:45.37 | jsoftw | EmleyMoor: whats wrong with normal old chroot ? |
| 21:45.39 | crashanddie | WolvBite, probably 800 of us, ask away |
| 21:45.52 | muddd | THIS IS DEBIAAAAAAAAAN |
| 21:45.52 | EmleyMoor | jsoftw: You seemingly have to be root to call on it |
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| 21:45.56 | muddd | sorry couldn't resist |
| 21:46.12 | wols_ | !tell WolvBite about ppc |
| 21:46.15 | jsoftw | EmleyMoor: oh right. So is this a userland program you are making? |
| 21:46.21 | jsoftw | basically setuid 0 ? |
| 21:46.23 | EmleyMoor | jsoftw: It's in lenny |
| 21:46.27 | WolvBite | I have gone through two installs only to get a white screen after boot and then the racing fans |
| 21:46.51 | wols_ | WolvBite: best ask #debianppc |
| 21:47.03 | EmleyMoor | It would enable me to give access to 32-bit iceweasel to someone I'd rather didn't have root |
| 21:47.20 | SJrX | EmleyMoor say bye bye to vi with dvorak :P |
| 21:48.16 | De_Mon | I just did an aptitude install php5-apache2 phppgadmin postgresql-8.3 and created an account for pgadmin to login with but I keep getting 'login failed' is there some other configuration step I'm missing? |
| 21:48.29 | De_Mon | it doesn't appear that phppgadmin is even talking to the database |
| 21:48.36 | De_Mon | (stable) |
| 21:48.39 | WolvBite | yep, I already went there |
| 21:48.46 | WolvBite | thanks guys |
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| 21:48.58 | oompa_loompa | hi everybody |
| 21:49.04 | jsoftw | EmleyMoor: is it a kernel thing or a userland program? |
| 21:49.08 | Agrajag- | g'day. i've a got a box whose mobo died, so i took the hdds and put them in another computer. on that computer, it boots but gives me "running /scripts/init-bottom... mount: no such file or directory".. now googling seems to tell me that udev may not be installed. this may be the case, because it's a debian testing box, and i may have done an upgrade that broke stuff. but would it be more likely this is caused by the hdd devices being |
| 21:49.16 | EmleyMoor | jsoftw: userland |
| 21:49.21 | jsoftw | hmm ok. |
| 21:49.40 | wols_ | Agrajag-: redo your initrd |
| 21:49.51 | oompa_loompa | I have a debian that is acting as a dhcp server/firewall/incoming vpn/outgoing vpn |
| 21:49.55 | wols_ | Agrajag-: and since etch there is udev |
| 21:50.02 | Agrajag- | wols_: ok, how would i go about doing that? |
| 21:50.08 | oompa_loompa | I am able to browse the internet with it |
| 21:50.11 | wols_ | Agrajag-: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel |
| 21:50.36 | oompa_loompa | but my problem start when I try to reach our vpn, that is the cisco vpn this debian box is connected to |
| 21:50.58 | oompa_loompa | from the debian box I can ping with no poroblem |
| 21:51.06 | oompa_loompa | even connect to servers on our other network |
| 21:51.26 | oompa_loompa | but not on the computers that have this box as their gateway |
| 21:51.29 | oompa_loompa | I tried doing |
| 21:51.37 | wols_ | !enter |
| 21:51.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:51.47 | oompa_loompa | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o cipsec0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 21:52.06 | Agrajag- | wols_: ok. i'm guessing the easiest way to do this is to use a livecd and mount the drive, chroot to it and run dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 21:52.07 | oompa_loompa | but that was a no go, does anyone have a different recommendation? |
| 21:52.13 | wols_ | Agrajag-: yes |
| 21:52.22 | Agrajag- | wols_: excellent, thanks for your help |
| 21:53.09 | Ace2016_- | !DMA |
| 21:53.09 | dpkg | dma is probably (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access |
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| 21:53.47 | Ace2016_- | well thats not a very helpful tip |
| 21:53.53 | Ace2016_- | !DMA Speed |
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| 21:54.12 | wols_ | !wayttd Ace2016_- |
| 21:54.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Ace2016_-? |
| 21:54.22 | Ace2016_- | speed up hdd access |
| 21:54.35 | Ace2016_- | the raid is syncing at 7mb/s massive amount of cpu and ram free |
| 21:54.36 | EmleyMoor | Oh, you're thinking of UDMA? |
| 21:54.56 | wols_ | if DMS is off, your CPU is pegged at 100% while accessing hdd |
| 21:55.00 | Ace2016_- | its an sata drive, i thought udma was for ata drive |
| 21:55.09 | wols_ | *SMA |
| 21:55.14 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... perhaps |
| 21:55.19 | EmleyMoor | has just gone SATA |
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| 21:55.51 | oompa_loompa | any ideas? |
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| 21:55.58 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 21:55.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen starving platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:56.13 | Ace2016_- | wols_: any way to see if SMA is on? by catting somewhere in /proc |
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| 21:56.34 | wols_ | dmesg | grep BM-DMA |
| 21:56.47 | wols_ | Ace2016_-: but it is not the problem |
| 21:57.28 | jhamlin | in etch w/ KDE, is there a way to change the name of a given window? by "name" I mean the title that appears in the title bar. |
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| 21:58.55 | Ace2016_- | [ 2.843773] ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007 |
| 21:59.31 | Ace2016_- | ide0 is the ide controller right? what about the sata controller? |
| 21:59.49 | Ace2016_- | the only thing on ide is the optical drive |
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| 22:00.08 | EmleyMoor | Ace2016_-; SATA appears as SCSI |
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| 22:01.24 | janis | hi there!! CanI cdebootstrap a 32 bit system from a x86_64 one? |
| 22:01.47 | Ace2016_- | scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ok so thats good |
| 22:02.50 | tarzeau | janis: yes |
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| 22:03.00 | orangey | hey all! |
| 22:03.02 | SparFux | The computers are directly connected to each other via 100Mbit network. And do I use nfs-kernel or nfs-user? |
| 22:03.15 | orangey | I remember a daemon once running that would run around changing all the permissions on my server. |
| 22:03.18 | janis | nice!! I'll read the manual then, I'll come back for info on problems :) |
| 22:03.26 | orangey | but I can't remember its name any longer.. any ideas? |
| 22:03.31 | EmleyMoor | SparFux: I would use nfs-kernel but it makes little-to-no difference, I think |
| 22:03.53 | SparFux | emley: kernel should be slightly faster, right? But in case of crash it is more dangerous. |
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| 22:09.52 | nyk2005 | After an apache upgrade, python script are displayed as text instead of executed. What config file could be a problem? |
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| 22:11.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.12 | nyk2005 | wols_: I installed "libapache2-mod-python" now, but still not working.. |
| 22:14.21 | wols_ | a2enmod it |
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| 22:14.46 | fooblargh | is there a way to change timestamps on files? |
| 22:14.56 | nyk2005 | wols_: it's also symlinked in mods-enabled, and I restarted apache2 |
| 22:15.08 | EmleyMoor | fooblargh: Change them to anything in particular? |
| 22:15.38 | Tramp | fooblargh: man touch |
| 22:16.01 | EmleyMoor | (was going to suggest touch :-) ) |
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| 22:16.20 | jsoftw | man. setting up xen is a bit of a mission. |
| 22:16.29 | nyk2005 | wols_: btw: you helped my with the php problem, which is actually on another (less important) server. I tried what you suggested with the "imaginary" package for php5, but it still didn't work... well, but running python on that other server is much more important now... :) |
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| 22:17.28 | wols_ | nyk2005: then the deboonf of that bad package did something nasty I guess |
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| 22:17.51 | wols_ | nyk2005: check the mimetypes |
| 22:18.05 | nyk2005 | wols_: ah yes the mimetypes.. |
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| 22:19.16 | nyk2005 | wols_: I just have mime.load in mods-enabled, noting else |
| 22:19.51 | nyk2005 | wols_: maybe also add mime-magic from mods-available |
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| 22:20.25 | nyk2005 | wols_: nope.. |
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| 22:21.45 | nyk2005 | wols_: I even have "AddHandler cgi-script .py" in apach2.conf, but it doesn't work |
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| 22:22.33 | fooblargh | EmleyMoor, yah, a date i have in mind :p |
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| 22:23.47 | fooblargh | Tramp, thakns |
| 22:24.27 | Gm4n | how can you make a raid volume persistant across reboots? |
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| 22:24.47 | eldowan | I seem to be having an odd problem. When I use ntfsprogs in lenny to transfer a lot of files, totaling in the 10s of GBs, my system will suddenly power off. I installed ntfs-3g to replace ntfsmount and I'm working without any issues. Same USB port and drive. same command. what gives? |
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| 22:28.17 | dryrot | if i boot into linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 , my Dell server with Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T eth0 and eth1 doesn't get recognize, and i can't get on the network. any ideas ? |
| 22:30.07 | Tramp | !bcm5708 |
| 22:30.07 | dpkg | it has been said that bnx2 is the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see http://bugs.debian.org/469349. Enabled again in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.24-7, install the <non-free> 'firmware-bnx2' package (etchnhalf, lenny) to enable driver use. Note: These devices will not be available during installation when using a <lenny>-based installer (this includes <etchnhalf>). See also bug #494936. |
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| 22:30.49 | dryrot | bummer |
| 22:31.11 | eldowan | !etchnhalf |
| 22:31.11 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 22:34.36 | enouf | way to go Dellio |
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| 22:37.38 | jhamlin | I'm using etch+kde. so I do `xwit -select -name "foo"` to try to change the title of one of my windows. But nothing happens!! what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:39.09 | enouf | eldowan: no idea, check BTS? (lenny/sid same versions pf ntfsprogs) - if no bugs found. report one? try an older (etch version) ntfsprogs? |
| 22:40.15 | enouf | jhamlin: never heard of xwit - maybe try #debain-kde .. are you using kwin? |
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| 22:42.12 | jhamlin | enouf: figured it out just now. xwit doesn't work but wmctrl does |
| 22:42.34 | enouf | that was my next suggestion :-) |
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| 22:45.05 | dryrot | is there some changelog i should have been reading that would have told me i needed to install a driver for my eth device with recent kernel? |
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| 22:47.00 | wald0 | is normal that i feel apt-get a lot more slow installing packages than some months ago ? |
| 22:47.20 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 22:47.25 | wald0 | in lenny |
| 22:47.47 | abrotman | they added stuff to dpkg like the triggers .. not sure how long ago |
| 22:48.05 | wald0 | yes, triggers |
| 22:48.14 | wald0 | is specially slow on the "triggering manpages" step |
| 22:48.36 | wald0 | remembers how fast was dpkg in potato... |
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| 22:49.13 | simonrvn | oh i hate that, menu too, and other shit (if you have that other shit installed) |
| 22:49.16 | stew | wald0: there were no triggers previously, and triggers should be a speed improvement |
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| 22:49.40 | simonrvn | on slow machines no. but i suppose you had this debate already in d-d |
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| 22:49.54 | simonrvn | s/in/on/ |
| 22:50.11 | stew | wald0: the idea is that now, if, for example, the whatis inde needs to be rebuilt, it only gets done once at the end, not a bunch of times each time a package instells a new manpage |
| 22:50.12 | simonrvn | (or should have) |
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| 22:51.43 | themill | simonrvn: triggers is just running a set of update scripts once at the end rather than after each package install. So you only run update-menu once at the end rather than between each menu-related package. |
| 22:52.03 | themill | (yeah, what he said) |
| 22:52.36 | simonrvn | 5yes, but man-db addition was pointless, imo. man-db got re-ran once a week (on older installs) |
| 22:53.03 | simonrvn | on sid too, come to think of it |
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| 22:53.30 | simonrvn | scrollkeeper and dumbass things like that, did need tweaking, agreed |
| 22:54.05 | wald0 | stew: i have a very newest machine and i feel apt-get a lot slower with these triggers things :/ |
| 22:54.29 | simonrvn | dpkg calls them anyway, no? |
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| 22:54.30 | dpkg | simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 22:54.38 | simonrvn | dpkg: you wouldn't |
| 22:54.38 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:55.02 | stew | wald0: sure. just note that although it may feel slower, it isn't. the triggers are reducing the amount of work that needs to be done |
| 22:55.03 | dotCOMmie | This is a silly question but here it goes. Is there a single command which will copy all the contents of one folder into another ie cp /a/b /b/b when both a/b and /b/b exist. I dont want the result /a/b/b. There is the cp -r /a/b/* /b/b but that ignores hidden files. Is the only solution to do cp with * and then with .*? |
| 22:55.26 | wald0 | stew: oh... then could be faster installing lots of packages, that could be good... but if i install a single package it feels very slow |
| 22:55.28 | themill | wald0: you're just noticing the triggers at the end rather than the 36 separate runs of texhash that you would have had otherwise. |
| 22:55.49 | wald0 | aha that has sense |
| 22:55.51 | simonrvn | ugh. tex* runs are horrible |
| 22:56.08 | simonrvn | etch doesn't do that yet |
| 22:56.23 | wald0 | but like i say, i feel it slower installing a single package |
| 22:56.55 | wald0 | maybe dpkg could be optimized... in which language is writed ? |
| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | it's just one package anyway, you almost do a "fire and forget" for 1 |
| 22:57.18 | simonrvn | written; c and perl iirc |
| 22:57.20 | themill | wald0: apt-get source dpkg ; knock yourself out. |
| 22:58.03 | wald0 | themill: all this "slow" work is made by dpkg, no by apt-get, right ? |
| 22:58.36 | simonrvn | i suppose there's a bug filed for this idea, if not i'll submit one. reduce dpkg's memory footprint for small ram machines, sometimes those embedded thingies don't have much ram. |
| 22:58.40 | enouf | dotCOMmie: cp -a /a/b/.* * /a/b/. (careful! though, i might be brainfarting) ignore the two non-fatal errors, or just use rsync -a ;-) |
| 22:58.58 | magyar | hi, where is the logrotation set in lenny, in etch it used to be in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 22:59.01 | magyar | ? |
| 22:59.31 | themill | wald0: I'd be prepared to say that it's all in your mind... and unless you have both etch and lenny installed on the same machine, you're going to have a lot of trouble convincing anyone otherwise. |
| 22:59.36 | dotCOMmie | enouf: yeah, already have the rsync man page open d: cp is too silly |
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| 23:00.22 | {`} | i read somewhere that there's a way to help with writing docs, in english, without any technical competence required, for debian, but i can't seem to find where to look. firstly, was i mistaken that there is no technical competence required to help with writing certain docs and if not, where would one look to sign up with contributing? |
| 23:00.24 | enouf | dotCOMmie: another way is to tar and pipe it .. but rsync ftw |
| 23:00.30 | wald0 | themill: like you say, i dont have it... but i remember that was more fast on my old 300 Mhz with woody than in my 3000 Mhz with lenny hehe |
| 23:01.01 | themill | wald0: that's nice. The package archive was also half the size. |
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| 23:01.04 | Tramp | magyar: /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog |
| 23:01.04 | wald0 | i think that there's specially intense the I/O disks, not cpu work |
| 23:01.22 | abrotman | {`}: qa.debian.org might be a good place to start |
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| 23:02.01 | {`} | abrotman: i've read over that site and the closest thing to non-technical assistance i found on there was to write a man page for orphaned packages |
| 23:02.12 | abrotman | that's a pretty good start |
| 23:02.13 | enouf | wald0: you'd enjoy this ;-) http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins |
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| 23:02.22 | eldowan | I seem to be having an odd problem. When I use ntfsprogs in lenny to transfer a lot of files, totaling in the 10s of GBs, my system will suddenly power off. I installed ntfs-3g to replace ntfsmount and I'm working without any issues. Same USB port and drive. same command. Any ideas? |
| 23:02.31 | wald0 | themill: yes, the archive grows... maybe could be modularized to have a smaller size, like separed files for descriptions than other values like the version number, that changes a lot more |
| 23:02.36 | {`} | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:02.48 | stew | {`}: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 23:03.10 | abrotman | {`}: also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/ .. it may have some other hints |
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| 23:03.27 | enouf | wald0: also note, lenny's apt (since 0.7.4, iirc) now also installs Recommends per default (and so does aptitude) |
| 23:03.39 | themill | wald0: are you even using debian? |
| 23:04.02 | enouf | eldowan: my answer == no bueno? :-{ |
| 23:04.11 | {`} | stew: thank you |
| 23:04.17 | dotCOMmie | enouf: can't seem to find doesn't rsync have an option to not use checksum? |
| 23:04.22 | eldowan | enouf: I was kicked with my system acted up. Didn't see it. repost? |
| 23:04.26 | magyar | Tramp: oh wow, nicely done, all in one place :) |
| 23:04.34 | wald0 | enouf: well i have them disabled by default |
| 23:04.40 | enouf | dotCOMmie: huh? hrm .. |
| 23:04.43 | wald0 | themill: yes of course |
| 23:04.48 | enouf | wald0: it's about time |
| 23:05.18 | wald0 | enouf: so that link, and what we are discussing... has a conclusion: grows more fast the software than the hardware, right ? |
| 23:05.43 | enouf | wald0: on a word == "Bloat" |
| 23:05.47 | enouf | s/on/in |
| 23:06.08 | wald0 | enouf: i think that a big problem is that developers don't care much about the bloat |
| 23:06.33 | enouf | [18:36:26] <enouf> eldowan: no idea, check BTS? (lenny/sid same versions pf ntfsprogs) - if no bugs found. report one? try an older (etch version) ntfsprogs? |
| 23:07.04 | enouf | wald0: you are sooo perceptive ;-) |
| 23:07.15 | eldowan | enouf: aah. I just looked, and I'm using v1.3xxx and v2.0 is out in the lenny repos. I might try upgrading and trying again. See if that has any effect. |
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| 23:07.34 | enouf | eldowan: ok, you did mention Lenny earlier |
| 23:07.59 | enouf | " ... When I use ntfsprogs in lenny to transfer a lot of files ...." |
| 23:08.10 | eldowan | seems I did. ;) |
| 23:08.18 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 23:08.32 | enouf | eldowan: check the changelog ;-) |
| 23:08.47 | eldowan | change the log? that wouldn't do me any good. |
| 23:08.54 | enouf | ... |
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| 23:09.42 | themill | I'm testing out etch->lenny and finding that "aptitude full-upgrade" wants to uninstall a lot of things including most of xorg. If I manually mark the xorg video driver for installation, then all is OK; if I use etch's apt-get rather than lenny's aptitude then all is OK. |
| 23:09.42 | themill | This sounds like something for the release notes... what else do I need to check and who wants to know? (this is a not-easily-repeated process so I want to get the right information now!) |
| 23:09.48 | wald0 | enouf: well this problem is since long time... there's no performance/optimizations on these old "bloated" windowmanagers... there's not much changes in years but there's no better performance too |
| 23:10.07 | wald0 | by other side everytime is more bloated, hehe |
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| 23:10.16 | themill | wald0: you be happy with twm then. |
| 23:10.25 | wald0 | themill: yes im happy with light ones |
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| 23:10.35 | irit | anyone knows how to write this setxkbmap command so it works? |
| 23:10.57 | stew | except they even combined twm and tvtwm, further increasing the bloat |
| 23:11.00 | irit | setxkbmap -model macintosh_old -layout us,il -symbols us,il |
| 23:11.19 | eOliva | I'm trying to install libpt-plugins-v4l but it depends of libldap2 and it isn't available here... why?? there's a repository that contains it? |
| 23:11.23 | Guerin | illinois doesn't have its own characterset! |
| 23:11.24 | wald0 | enouf: sometimes i say "ohh how could be fast if i install a debian woody on this new computer" hehe |
| 23:11.33 | wald0 | or oldest OS |
| 23:11.40 | stew | oh, actually maybe twm doesn't include tvtwm functionality |
| 23:11.46 | wols_ | eOliva: where is the is libpt-plugins-v4l plugins from? which repo? |
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| 23:12.20 | themill | judd: versions libpt-plugins-v4l |
| 23:12.21 | judd | themill: libpt-plugins-v4l: 1.10.2-2+etch1 (etch) 1.10.7~dfsg1-4+lenny1 (lenny-security) |
| 23:12.35 | themill | (another candidate for purging from lenny/updates) |
| 23:12.36 | enouf | wald0: just don't use bloated apps (or try not to), i'm using a p2 350MHz running a lenny/sid mix |
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| 23:13.19 | wald0 | enouf: wow this sounds slow... you dont need to wait a lot of time for dpkg/apt installs ? |
| 23:13.24 | betz | hello, i just installed debian for the first time. Total noob... How can i switch to kde environment? installed debian lenny |
| 23:13.31 | stew | themill: my query about this the other day in release got blank stares |
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| 23:13.49 | wald0 | enouf: problem is apps grows and everytime are more bloated than oldest versions |
| 23:14.28 | wald0 | enouf: btw, i have used before network-admin application to configure networks, with a only few MB of dependencies... actually it requires more than 200 Mb lol |
| 23:14.38 | enouf | wald0: no, not really - i use apt solely |
| 23:14.45 | themill | stew: yeah... I asked a while ago whether the security team thought it was a problem to have versions in etch/updates that were older than the version in main and the rather curt reply was something along the lines of "of course that's not a problem". |
| 23:15.11 | enouf | wald0: i also use localepurge and i use apt-listchanges, so those 2 added increase the time to install apps |
| 23:15.15 | themill | dpkg: tell betz about install kde |
| 23:16.10 | enouf | s/apps/pkgs |
| 23:16.36 | betz | thanx themill |
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| 23:17.05 | themill | betz: you may also want to "aptitude install kdm gdm-" |
| 23:17.28 | arrenlex | Hi, all. Is there a way to prevent certain user accounts from logging in over ssh? |
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| 23:17.30 | Gast_304_ | Bitte spendet mir was, hab grad erst neu angefangen. Brauche jeden Cent um mir ein Bier zu holen!!! http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7842526/ |
| 23:17.33 | enouf | !tell betz -about remove gnome |
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| 23:17.35 | Gast_304_ | Bitte spendet mir was, hab grad erst neu angefangen. Brauche jeden Cent um mir ein Bier zu holen!!! http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7842526/ |
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| 23:17.47 | simonrvn | slow package update: running off ports. then you'll see how fricking fast debs are |
| 23:17.47 | enouf | betz: just in case, you wanted to ;-) |
| 23:17.54 | simonrvn | thank you stew |
| 23:18.10 | enouf | nice stab stew |
| 23:18.37 | eldowan | arrenlex: man sshd_config look for DenyUsers or DenyGroups |
| 23:18.40 | themill | Can we get debhelper to autokick on that regexp? |
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| 23:19.04 | simonrvn | that would be useful |
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| 23:20.12 | stew | themill: i forwarded your request, we'll see |
| 23:20.42 | themill | making bullets for others to fire again... |
| 23:20.49 | themill | thanks, stew |
| 23:21.52 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to create a preseed file. How can I tell which of the screens in d-i corresponds to the parameter in the preseed file? E.g. I want to set locale to en_CA.UTF-8. I haven't found a way to do it yet. |
| 23:22.47 | OpenTokix | nice |
| 23:22.52 | OpenTokix | 1am and in the co-lo... |
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| 23:23.12 | irit | even setxkbmap alone gives error |
| 23:23.16 | irit | wtf |
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| 23:26.30 | Ward1983 | whats the correct line to conenct to a AP with iwconfig please? im pretty sure i did it right but dhclient doesnt work afterwards so there must besomething wrong |
| 23:26.49 | karsten | Ward1983: iwconfig <interface> essid <essid-value> |
| 23:26.51 | dmoerner | iwconfig <interface> essid <ssid> |
| 23:27.36 | Ward1983 | karsten, dmoerner and if it has WEP encryption i just need to add key xxxxxxxxx right? |
| 23:28.22 | dmoerner | yes |
| 23:28.28 | Ward1983 | damn |
| 23:28.36 | Ward1983 | and if the ssid has spaces? |
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| 23:28.43 | Ward1983 | just "name with spaces" ? |
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| 23:28.53 | Ward1983 | with the " |
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| 23:30.40 | Ward1983 | dmoerner, and if i got spaces in my ssid? |
| 23:30.47 | Ward1983 | dmoerner, just use " ? |
| 23:31.15 | abrotman | just try it |
| 23:31.22 | Ward1983 | i did |
| 23:31.30 | Ward1983 | i dont get a error but i cannot use dhclient |
| 23:31.34 | enouf | worst case, escape each space with a \ |
| 23:31.34 | Ward1983 | no reply |
| 23:31.54 | Ward1983 | enouf, could you give a example please? |
| 23:31.55 | enouf | tab-completion, ftw :-) |
| 23:32.12 | enouf | this\ silly\ name\ with\ spaces |
| 23:32.16 | Ward1983 | makes a dir with a space |
| 23:32.17 | Ward1983 | lol |
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| 23:32.53 | karsten | Ward1983: ifconfig eth1 essid "essid with spaces" |
| 23:33.11 | karsten | Ward1983: You can also quote spaces with backstrokes, or single quotes. |
| 23:33.23 | karsten | Ward1983: Normal shell-quoting rules apply. |
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| 23:33.51 | irit | anyone knows how to debug setxkbmap? |
| 23:33.59 | irit | It doesnt work for me at all!!! |
| 23:34.08 | irit | does it have a log somewhere? |
| 23:34.27 | Ward1983 | karsten, ok then i good it right for sure, no luck though :( |
| 23:35.07 | Ward1983 | man WTF |
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| 23:35.15 | Ward1983 | my card sees APs and everything |
| 23:35.18 | Ward1983 | WTF can still be wrong |
| 23:35.27 | abrotman | Ward1983: cat /proc/version |
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| 23:35.39 | enouf | entries in /etc/fstab is atleast one exception i know of; that requires a octal ascii representation, so like /dev/sda1 /mnt/my\040stupid\040path |
| 23:35.44 | karsten | Ward1983: Dunno, I'm not an expert, I can get some networks to run though. |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | Ward1983: and what is your wifi device? |
| 23:36.03 | Ward1983 | abrotman, Linux version 2.6.24-16-generic (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | Ward1983: go to #ubuntu .. you should know better |
| 23:36.13 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i also have debian with the same problem if you like that beytter :p |
| 23:36.14 | karsten | Ward1983: Please /join #ubuntu. |
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| 23:36.25 | enouf | !shoot Ward1983 |
| 23:36.25 | Ward1983 | ah damn i thought i was in linux... |
| 23:36.25 | dpkg | blows Ward1983 away with a German Luger |
| 23:36.25 | Ward1983 | ffs |
| 23:36.29 | themill | hopes Ward1983 reads that last line and heads to a more appropriate channel |
| 23:36.33 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:36.56 | Ward1983 | themill, abrotman karsten sorry though i was in linux i got more tabs open |
| 23:37.17 | abrotman | Ward1983: ask #ubuntu, ##linux, or #wireless |
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| 23:37.28 | Ward1983 | abrotman, nah ill come back from debian |
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| 23:37.37 | Ward1983 | abrotman, you guys cannot get rid of me that fast... |
| 23:37.38 | fietsbel | hello guys, what package should I apt get if we're talking about qt-devel version 3 ? |
| 23:37.39 | enouf | irit: i guess you are using an old macintosh keyboard? would you not define that aspect in your xorg.conf? |
| 23:37.48 | abrotman | Ward1983: we'll all just ignore you next time :) |
| 23:37.55 | ward__ | abrotman, back |
| 23:38.05 | Administrator_ | why ? |
| 23:38.10 | ward__ | abrotman, :) this is my debian box lol |
| 23:38.13 | enouf | irit: afaik, 'setxkbmap us' should set it to USA ;0 |
| 23:38.15 | abrotman | lolololol |
| 23:38.31 | Administrator_ | hello! |
| 23:38.31 | fietsbel | what package should I apt-get for qt-devel version 3? |
| 23:38.34 | jelly-home | !start a distro war |
| 23:38.34 | dpkg | start a distro war is probably Debian Rulz |
| 23:38.39 | irit | enouf, I am using old mac keyboard |
| 23:38.51 | abrotman | fietsbel: something like libqt3-mt-dev or something like that .. apt-cache --search libqt -dev |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | erm |
| 23:38.57 | abrotman | fietsbel: something like libqt3-mt-dev or something like that .. apt-cache -- search libqt -dev |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | spaces are important in commands .. |
| 23:39.09 | Administrator_ | hey!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 23:39.10 | karsten | !tell fietsbel about search. |
| 23:39.12 | veganlion | im hi abrotman |
| 23:39.16 | irit | enouf, I am entring the same server from a few machines |
| 23:39.17 | Administrator_ | any body! |
| 23:39.22 | simonrvn | !spacesmite abrotman |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | Administrator_: do you need help? |
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| 23:39.28 | enouf | irit: i would speculate the issues stem from that fact - from what i've seen about powerpc (Old World Macs) |
| 23:39.31 | irit | enouf, should I define it in xorg.conf? |
| 23:39.33 | simonrvn | Administrator_: what?????//????//?? |
| 23:39.34 | Administrator_ | yes please? |
| 23:39.39 | simonrvn | !ep |
| 23:39.39 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 23:39.42 | enouf | irit: i'm not sure at all |
| 23:39.49 | Administrator_ | yes |
| 23:39.57 | enouf | irit: try #debianppc? |
| 23:40.06 | enouf | or whatever |
| 23:40.08 | irit | enouf, is there a way to debug setxkbmap? |
| 23:40.08 | jelly-home | Administrator_: ask your debian question, please |
| 23:40.09 | ward__ | abrotman, first of all: can nm-applet cause problems? do i need to get rid of it? |
| 23:40.11 | abrotman | !tell Administrator about ask |
| 23:40.18 | enouf | irit: you could strace it |
| 23:40.19 | karsten | Administrator_: /join #win<version>. And don't IRC as administrator. |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | ward__: i'm really not fooled |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | nor amused |
| 23:40.46 | irit | enouf, I am the onlyone there now (..ppc) |
| 23:40.50 | ward__ | abrotman, want me to upload a screenshot or something? i use vmware whats so fucking weird about that? |
| 23:40.57 | ward__ | abrotman, im for real :s |
| 23:41.01 | simonrvn | just about the dumbest thing ever, is having a windows machine connected directly to the internet </IMO> |
| 23:41.15 | enouf | irit: "strace -etrace=open setxkbmap ...." as an example |
| 23:41.15 | eldowan | ward__: vmware doesn't have direct access to your wireless. |
| 23:41.19 | ward__ | abrotman, how do i prove im on my debian box now? |
| 23:41.25 | ward__ | eldowan, yes it has its USB |
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| 23:41.38 | karsten | ward__: I think you've lost your credibility as far as some of us are concerned. HAND. |
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| 23:41.40 | eldowan | ward__: pardon me. I've always hated wirelss USB defices.. |
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| 23:41.51 | enouf | irit: sorry, i think ALIS sucks ass - so you'll have to query it on your own for correct channel name |
| 23:41.55 | ward__ | eldowan, its on board but trough usb |
| 23:42.16 | ward__ | ok, does anyone know a way i can prove im in debian? |
| 23:42.24 | dec3pti0n | I must be doing something really stupid ... I have a cronjob that creates a file every 2 hours and places it at /location1 .. I 'm trying to use find to display any file that has been created at least in the last 3 hours and I get nothing back |
| 23:42.29 | enouf | irit: i used to help others find the correct channelname - until the piece of shit ALIS came along |
| 23:42.48 | kiko888 | who is ALIS ? |
| 23:42.52 | karsten | dec3pti0n: find -mtime but it's delimited in days. |
| 23:42.55 | dec3pti0n | find /location1 -name "file*" -type f -cmin 180 |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | kiko888: /msg alis help |
| 23:42.59 | ttick | if someone on my LAN, which usually has addresses of 192.168.0.* hooks up a computer with 192.168.5.9, how can I get my computer to ssh to that computer? how do I add the route or whatever? |
| 23:43.17 | ward__ | wtf so i get no support because i ALSO have a ubuntu installation??????????/ |
| 23:43.19 | ward__ | WTF |
| 23:43.32 | kiko888 | OK |
| 23:43.41 | karsten | dec3pti0n: You'd have to find any files modified in the past day, do a directory listing (or stat the file) and find out if it's been modified within your time window. |
| 23:43.53 | kiko888 | YOU PLAY GAMES ONLINE? |
| 23:43.55 | dmoerner | ward__: having a good attitude is a good start |
| 23:43.56 | simonrvn | nick != username on box ... |
| 23:44.04 | jelly-home | ward__: no, you get no support because you've been repeatedly asking about help while running non-debian |
| 23:44.11 | ward__ | dmoerner, i have, just tell me how i can prove to you im in debian because i really am and trhis is frustrating |
| 23:44.14 | karsten | dec3pti0n: Um, '-cmin' isn't a recognized argument to find that I see. |
| 23:44.18 | eldowan | ttick: easiest is to set the new ip address to your current. You can also bring up an alias loke so: ifconfig eth0:0 <ipaddress> up |
| 23:44.26 | ward__ | jelly-home, thats not true :s i instlale debian last nightffs |
| 23:44.33 | karsten | ttick: man route. |
| 23:44.37 | ward__ | i came here first to find out if debian could be of help to me |
| 23:44.42 | ward__ | THEN i was not running debian |
| 23:44.54 | dec3pti0n | karsten, what version of debian are you on ? I have it on mine |
| 23:44.56 | abrotman | maybe you should just try to rename your SSID and see if you can connect then ... |
| 23:44.56 | karsten | ttick: route add <network> gw <gateway> |
| 23:44.58 | jelly-home | ward__: sorry, I'm not touching this issue |
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| 23:45.08 | ttick | thanks, peeps. I'll try those suggestions. |
| 23:45.16 | ward__ | jelly-home, you allready did stupid |
| 23:45.22 | karsten | dec3pti0n: find (GNU findutils) 4.4.0 |
| 23:45.23 | ward__ | bah |
| 23:45.35 | fietsbel | ward__ what the hell is your problem anyway? |
| 23:45.42 | dmoerner | ward__: calling people stupid is not the way to have a "good attitude." If you have a real question, ask it. if you want to flame, leave. |
| 23:45.44 | karsten | dec3pti0n: My bad, found it. |
| 23:45.44 | simonrvn | ggood way to get help, call people names |
| 23:45.53 | ttick | karsten: is the network 192.168.5.0 and the gateway my own machine? |
| 23:45.57 | dec3pti0n | karsten, oh cool |
| 23:45.59 | karsten | dec3pti0n: OK, -dmin 180 should do it. |
| 23:46.04 | kiko888 | HEY! abrotman! |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | yes? |
| 23:46.25 | kiko888 | you on gaming or something? |
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| 23:46.32 | dec3pti0n | hehe -dmin ? I don't have that on my find GNU 4.2.28 version |
| 23:46.35 | ward__ | dmoerner, allready asked my question and you people ignore me... i am on debian... |
| 23:46.39 | kiko888 | spyware any thing? |
| 23:46.40 | MrWGW | ward_ is on Debian actually |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | kiko888: try #debian-offtopic |
| 23:46.43 | karsten | ttick: The gateway is the system that knows how to reach the other LAN. If that host is on the same local Ethernet segment, then IP alias your NIC to respond to that network as well. |
| 23:46.45 | simonrvn | kiko888: this isn't #gaming |
| 23:46.48 | MrWGW | I can vouch for that |
| 23:46.57 | kiko888 | who? |
| 23:46.59 | ward__ | thanx MrWGW |
| 23:47.02 | jetscreamer | puts in his 3.7 cents worth |
| 23:47.07 | jetscreamer | !lart ward__ |
| 23:47.07 | dpkg | shoves a crumpet down ward__'s throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 23:47.23 | simonrvn | .05 dude, usd is in the toilet ;p |
| 23:47.31 | simonrvn | er, meant 0.5 |
| 23:47.32 | fietsbel | I think it's hardly gonna matter that you vouch :p with that attitude he scared everyone away |
| 23:47.34 | kiko888 | Gamespy imeant sorry |
| 23:47.36 | ttick | karsten: okay, I'll look up how to IP alias. thanks. |
| 23:47.46 | ward__ | first you people act like complete assholes to me, then if i reply the same way you use that against me |
| 23:47.50 | karsten | ttick: ifconfig eth0:1 <address> <netmask> |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | ward__: stop already |
| 23:47.54 | jetscreamer | my estimate was low ou say.. |
| 23:47.58 | ttick | karsten: okay, thanks. |
| 23:47.58 | jetscreamer | you |
| 23:48.01 | abrotman | ward__: i gave you a list of alternate channels to try |
| 23:48.07 | eldowan | ttick: my post above should get you working if I understand your question correctly. |
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| 23:48.21 | karsten | ttick: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.5.<number> netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 23:48.29 | fietsbel | I still don't know what problem you're having ward__ .. |
| 23:48.31 | ward__ | abrotman, and i told you i made a mistake, and came back on the right box... |
| 23:48.38 | bunnyto | HELP! why the installer doesnt detect my CDROM ? therefore i cannot install the software |
| 23:48.39 | jetscreamer | yeah .10 ... gum used to be 1 cent, now it's 10, iirc |
| 23:48.42 | ward__ | fietsbel, cant get my wireless to work |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | checks the good will well |
| 23:49.12 | fietsbel | can you be more precise? |
| 23:49.13 | enouf | bunnyto: which installer? |
| 23:49.18 | oompa_loompa | hi I have a debian box that I using as a router |
| 23:49.19 | ward__ | fietsbel, yes its a rtl8187L |
| 23:49.24 | ttick | karsten & eldowan: you guys are outstanding, thanks. |
| 23:49.27 | jetscreamer | bunnyto: maybe sata, maybe you need a kmuto or etchandahalf installer |
| 23:49.29 | eldowan | ttick: cheers |
| 23:49.31 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 23:49.32 | oompa_loompa | I can connect to the internet with it |
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| 23:49.39 | abrotman | bunnyto: which installer? |
| 23:49.40 | ward__ | fietsbel, range does not get shown in nm-applet |
| 23:49.50 | ward__ | fietsbel, if i connect the connection drops after liek a minute |
| 23:49.51 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: whats your problem? |
| 23:49.57 | oompa_loompa | this box is connected to a vpn, how can I share that vpn connection to the rest of my lan just like I did with the internet |
| 23:50.14 | enouf | !echosmite abrotman :-P |
| 23:50.15 | oompa_loompa | I tried masquerading using the vpn interface as output |
| 23:50.16 | oompa_loompa | no go |
| 23:50.18 | fietsbel | what drivers are you running it with atm? |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | !enter |
| 23:50.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:50.25 | ward__ | fietsbel, i found some bug on launchpas that claimed the rtl8187 driver doesnt work well from 2.6.24 upwards |
| 23:50.26 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: what version of debian are you using? what VPN client/server are you using? |
| 23:50.34 | ward__ | fietsbel, so i installed etch last night |
| 23:50.51 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: debian etch and the lastest cisco vpnclient |
| 23:51.06 | ward__ | fietsbel, so i now use this kernel and i have the same problem that i used to have with a recent kernel |
| 23:51.12 | ward__ | fietsbel, Linux debianVM 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:51.15 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: the debian box is the vpnclient that connects to a cisco ASA |
| 23:51.26 | karsten | ttick: NP. |
| 23:51.46 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: the debian box [router?] successfully talks through the VPN? |
| 23:51.53 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: yup |
| 23:51.59 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: cisco's vpnclient does _very_ ugly things with linux network stack, use vpnc instead |
| 23:52.26 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: vpnc correct? |
| 23:52.27 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: that is not an option right now :( my hands are tied by the work rules |
| 23:52.35 | fietsbel | is it usb ward__ ? |
| 23:52.47 | pipeline | oompa_loompa: by the way, you probably want vpnc 0.3.3. vpnc 0.4 was a total rewrite, and breaks a lot of support for older devices (e.g. PIX) |
| 23:52.55 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: yes the debian box talks to the vpn with no problem |
| 23:53.04 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: sorry to hear that. vpnclient's routes weren't even visible with "route" last time I used it |
| 23:53.05 | bunnyto | abrotman: the installer is this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:53.05 | ward__ | fietsbel, yes its integrated but its connected trough USB |
| 23:53.16 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: sorry. the package/program you are using. vpnc or another? |
| 23:53.24 | ward__ | fietsbel, it gets recognised fine in my VM, etc, it even sees the available networks |
| 23:53.25 | fietsbel | cheap laptop ward__ ? |
| 23:53.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: they are for me, I just cant seem to share that connection |
| 23:53.33 | abrotman | bunnyto: there are numerous in there .. which one? |
| 23:53.33 | pipeline | oompa_loompa: also, it's unlikely that work will ever know you were using anything but the cisco VPN client :P |
| 23:53.37 | ward__ | fietsbel, no a ASUS P5B Deluxe mainboard |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | bunnyto: i'd suggest the etchnhalf netinst |
| 23:53.43 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: vpnclient from cisco |
| 23:53.52 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: aah. |
| 23:53.57 | fietsbel | so what drivers are you using? |
| 23:54.09 | bunnyto | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 23:54.16 | bunnyto | abrotman: what is etchnhalf? |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | use the etchnhalf netinst |
| 23:54.19 | oompa_loompa | pipeline: there is an admin that checks the servers :(, he will check my box, thats a fact |
| 23:54.23 | abrotman | !tell bunnyto about etchnhalf |
| 23:54.34 | abrotman | bunnyto: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:54.47 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: ask cisco. imho, that thing is broken enough that I'd rather use vpnc even though its connection breaks regularly |
| 23:54.48 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: I think the issue is with iptables, I think I might be missing a rule (or a few) |
| 23:54.57 | bunnyto | abrotman: i love you... |
| 23:55.03 | bunnyto | if you were a girl |
| 23:55.07 | abrotman | i might be |
| 23:55.11 | pipeline | jelly-home: vpnc 0.3.3 doesn't do that :P |
| 23:55.15 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: I tried iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o cipsec0 -j MASQUERADE but that was a no go :'( |
| 23:55.17 | fietsbel | ward__ what driver set are you using? |
| 23:55.20 | freebsddick | yeah whre |
| 23:55.23 | pipeline | jelly-home: the "dead peer" error comes from fucked up peer detection in 0.4 |
| 23:55.28 | jelly-home | pipeline: it does for me, only less regular |
| 23:55.31 | *** join/#debian kiko888 (n=chatzill@85.236.143.235) |
| 23:55.38 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: cipsec0 is the connection through the vpn? |
| 23:55.43 | jelly-home | pipeline: been there since 0.3.1 or so |
| 23:55.48 | ward__ | fietsbel, one from SVN |
| 23:55.54 | pipeline | jelly-home: orly |
| 23:55.55 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: yes cipsec0 holds the vpn connection |
| 23:56.14 | ward__ | fietsbel, i started with the last one which didnt want to install, so i tried a older one which installed |
| 23:56.14 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: uname -r ? |
| 23:56.19 | oompa_loompa | one sec |
| 23:56.21 | jelly-home | pipeline: I've been using the thing since forever. Well, like '06. |
| 23:56.27 | ward__ | fietsbel, how can i check to make sure what version it is? |
| 23:56.31 | fietsbel | ward__ did you see this post ? |
| 23:56.31 | fietsbel | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27320 |
| 23:56.50 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:57.20 | jelly-home | pipeline: have a script that restarts vpnc if it can't ping a remote machine ;-) |
| 23:57.28 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: I know you need to apply a patch when you are using 2.6.24 but that is not the case |
| 23:57.44 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: i'm sure you've read this? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES |
| 23:58.21 | fietsbel | 2.6.27 has full-on support for this card <- ward__ |
| 23:58.33 | fietsbel | which kernel version were you using before? |
| 23:58.53 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: not that particular one, but yes, I read about Masquerading, I am actually masquerading to share the internet access through this box |
| 23:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 811] by debhelper |
| 23:59.12 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: do you have the router setup to route to the vpn network? I doubt the ipaddress scheme is the same. routing table? |
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| 23:59.38 | enouf | notices abrotman is wearing lipstick tonight |
| 23:59.43 | enouf | hides |
| 23:59.51 | oompa_loompa | my nat rules are these: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j ACCEPT and iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
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