| 00:00.13 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: eth0 being my local net and eth1 being my WAN |
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| 00:00.32 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: that works for your regular internet? |
| 00:00.42 | oompa_loompa | eldowan:yes it works for internet |
| 00:01.05 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: is just the vpn what I cant reach from my local net (only from the server) |
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| 00:01.34 | oompa_loompa | eldowan: by server I meant debian router |
| 00:02.13 | jon_ | oompa_loompa: have you looked into the package ipmasq? |
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| 00:02.53 | ward_ | fietsbel, sorry system went down |
| 00:03.01 | oompa_loompa | jon_: nope how would I do that? |
| 00:03.35 | oompa_loompa | jon_: I know I have to install it |
| 00:03.47 | oompa_loompa | jon_: But what do I need to look for? |
| 00:03.50 | jon_ | if you really want to write the rules yourself, you don't need it |
| 00:04.52 | oompa_loompa | jon_: in my case I believe I have no choice :( things trend to change here a lot so I feel like I will have to be changing rules every once in a while |
| 00:04.58 | jon_ | ipmasq will look for your interfaces, figure out which are exposed to the internet (aka which have default gw routes) and then build all the ruled |
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| 00:05.24 | oompa_loompa | jon_: have you masquerade from 2 different devices? |
| 00:06.04 | oompa_loompa | jon_: so I just run it? |
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| 00:07.26 | ward_ | fietsbel, what was the last you asked? |
| 00:07.27 | jon_ | just install it, it will then "calculate" the firewall rules |
| 00:07.27 | oompa_loompa | how can I get a command view of all my rules (I mean the way I typed them) |
| 00:07.42 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: Sorry, I've got to run and help some users, though you *might* try these I'm not sure any will work.. see if you need to edit the routing table for some reason (not sure about this; might help) This looks like it might have some good info: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/88335-vpnclient.html http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t33500-linux-vpn-client-issues.html |
| 00:07.42 | eldowan | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/ciscovpn-stateful-firewall-503965/ |
| 00:07.47 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: on iptables? |
| 00:08.11 | oompa_loompa | jon_: yeah I did that it created some POSTROUTING rules but still a no go |
| 00:08.43 | jon_ | did you already have rules defined? |
| 00:08.58 | oompa_loompa | jon_: just one, but I can flush them and do it again |
| 00:09.08 | eldowan | oompa_loompa: to list rules, iptables --list. gotta run. Best of luck |
| 00:09.18 | jon_ | also are your interfaces up and routing established? |
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| 00:09.38 | oompa_loompa | jon_:they are |
| 00:10.15 | jon_ | ok, that's the criteria... it looks for the interfaces and does its thing |
| 00:10.38 | jon_ | if that doesn't work, then ipmasq is probably not what you need |
| 00:10.48 | oompa_loompa | jon_: need to go for now, got to attend class I guess I'll continue tomorrow |
| 00:10.55 | oompa_loompa | bye everyone thanks for the help |
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| 00:15.35 | jetscreamer | ward_: /lastlog fietsbel |
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| 00:26.52 | bunnyto | g |
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| 00:27.35 | simonrvn | 9- |
| 00:27.35 | phish` | where can i find a list of changes in lenny? |
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| 00:27.46 | simonrvn | what kind of changes? |
| 00:28.16 | phish` | just bored, i'm thinking of trying a debian as a desktop os. |
| 00:28.22 | bunnyto | how may i join permanent to this chat room, and get paid for it? |
| 00:28.37 | phish` | right now i'm on windows but my servers are all debian ^_^ |
| 00:28.46 | simonrvn | bunnyto: no one is paid here |
| 00:28.58 | bunnyto | simonrvn: what do you do for living? |
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| 00:29.04 | simonrvn | phish`: i've been using it as such for years. works fine. |
| 00:29.14 | simonrvn | bunnyto: private info. |
| 00:29.45 | bunnyto | simonrvn: what kind of kanabis you produce? |
| 00:29.47 | phish` | oh and i don't doubt it at all. I'm just wondering if it'd be worth trying out the latest? If there are significant advantages over using an older, stable release. |
| 00:30.11 | simonrvn | bunnyto: 0g |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | bunnyto: wrong channel |
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| 00:30.48 | bunnyto | come on, say the truth... i want to become like you guys... |
| 00:31.11 | simonrvn | i am. i don't lie. now please go away. |
| 00:31.50 | jsoftw | GRR |
| 00:31.54 | jsoftw | stupid xen on debian |
| 00:31.59 | jsoftw | vif stuff not working |
| 00:32.17 | bunnyto | jsoftw: virtualbox rulez |
| 00:32.27 | jsoftw | Oh it rulez does it. |
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| 00:34.11 | jon_ | vif? isn't that part of the bridging? |
| 00:34.51 | jon_ | that actually has nothing to do with xen, but it turned out to be handy to establish networking among the doms |
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| 00:35.21 | jon_ | if your domains are going, xen is working |
| 00:35.22 | simonrvn | i think it is yeh |
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| 00:36.12 | bunnyto | i cant go away, i love debian |
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| 00:38.28 | jsoftw | jon_: yeah it's some crap to do with the 'hot plug' scripts. |
| 00:38.39 | jsoftw | Im trying to debug it. |
| 00:39.09 | jdrake | I have a computer (that I am giving away) that I put ubuntu on it before. I have since moved back to debian and prefer it. So is there any way of taking an ubuntu system and converting it to debian? I would rather not burn a cd for this purpose. |
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| 00:40.58 | phish` | jdrake: i'm downloading debian right now, my only other linux experiance was with ubuntu. what didn't you like about it? :o |
| 00:41.02 | Pidgin | wats betta jfs or xfs |
| 00:41.07 | jsoftw | jdrake: might as well burn a CD. |
| 00:41.17 | jsoftw | jdrake: it would be a whole bunch quicker |
| 00:41.44 | jon_ | Pidgin: it's better you find out the details about those two filesystems |
| 00:41.48 | bunnyto | Ubuntu is for Amateurs, Debian users are superior |
| 00:42.02 | Orbixx | bunnyto: Ubuntu isn't FOR Amateurs, per se. |
| 00:42.06 | Orbixx | More so... |
| 00:42.10 | Orbixx | The Amateurs are for Ubuntu. |
| 00:42.11 | jon_ | bunnyto: they are? I mean, I am! |
| 00:42.18 | Orbixx | If you see what I mean. |
| 00:42.22 | stew | Orbixx: bunnyto: wrong channel, please keep it on-topic |
| 00:42.32 | Orbixx | God damn it. |
| 00:42.36 | Orbixx | Every time I open my mouth. |
| 00:42.38 | jdrake | phish`, ubuntu 8.04.1 caused me much headache, so I went for debian's legendary stability (but I went to lenny before it stablized because I can't survive gnome before 2.22) |
| 00:43.08 | phish` | I'm going to try out the debian net install. |
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| 00:43.15 | Orbixx | Debian net install is great. |
| 00:43.16 | stew | jdrake: phish`: please take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere |
| 00:43.17 | phish` | then i'll update gnome accordingl :o |
| 00:43.20 | jon_ | could easily survive console... |
| 00:43.34 | phish` | stew: :( |
| 00:43.44 | Orbixx | jon_: The keyword is "survive". |
| 00:43.54 | Orbixx | Implying that a GUI makes life easier. |
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| 00:44.05 | simonrvn | is in console now |
| 00:44.10 | jon_ | which is the word jdrake used, so the comparison is by his definition |
| 00:44.11 | phish` | Orbixx: is the net install pretty easy to get the hang of? |
| 00:44.24 | Orbixx | phish`: I thought it was really simple. |
| 00:44.30 | phish` | fantastic. :D |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:44.47 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 00:44.48 | Orbixx | Just select the category of packages you want. |
| 00:44.49 | jon_ | it's a LOT better than under boot-floppies |
| 00:44.55 | Orbixx | Select a partition table type. |
| 00:45.02 | stoned | ih |
| 00:45.04 | Orbixx | And go. |
| 00:45.06 | Orbixx | Pretty much. |
| 00:45.08 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian |
| 00:45.23 | stoned | I take my citizenship oath tomorrow! yay! offtopic yay! |
| 00:45.27 | stoned | pffft. |
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| 00:45.37 | jon_ | stoned: people type things and everyone sees it@ |
| 00:45.42 | bunnyto | what is the nicest UMPC for debian? |
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| 00:46.29 | jon_ | define "nicest" and "umpc" |
| 00:46.30 | Orbixx | Depends what cash you have available. |
| 00:46.37 | Orbixx | UMPC = Ultra-Mobile PC |
| 00:46.38 | phish` | stoned: what country? |
| 00:46.50 | abrotman | phish`: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:46.54 | phish` | :( |
| 00:49.03 | amphi | bunnyto: x-series stinkpad, if that counts as 'UMPC' |
| 00:49.22 | stoned | haha stinkpad |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | amphi: they have newer/smaller ones |
| 00:50.18 | amphi | 'they'? lenovo? |
| 00:50.42 | amphi | nasty shortscreen, we hatess it |
| 00:50.47 | stoned | lol |
| 00:51.10 | stoned | I saw a linux based mini laptop today |
| 00:51.16 | Orbixx | Asus EEE. |
| 00:51.18 | stoned | yup |
| 00:51.19 | stoned | EEEP |
| 00:51.20 | stoned | someting |
| 00:51.23 | Orbixx | EEEPC |
| 00:51.28 | stoned | nice little machine |
| 00:51.34 | Orbixx | Coincidentally... |
| 00:51.35 | stoned | I wonder if it will run deb |
| 00:51.38 | Orbixx | I ordered one two days ago. |
| 00:51.40 | Orbixx | It's arriving today. |
| 00:51.43 | stoned | nice :) |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | !tell stoned about eeepc |
| 00:51.52 | stoned | abrotman, oh sweet |
| 00:51.55 | bunnyto | Orbixx: please comment the results |
| 00:51.58 | stoned | I was thinking about buying one of those |
| 00:52.07 | Orbixx | Highlight me in 24 hours and I will :) |
| 00:52.12 | stoned | heh |
| 00:52.16 | stoned | I'll be sure to ask you |
| 00:52.16 | Orbixx | !tell Orbixx about eeepc |
| 00:52.21 | stoned | Orbixx, /msg dpkg |
| 00:52.21 | bunnyto | !tell bunnyto about eeepc |
| 00:52.27 | stoned | argh. |
| 00:52.31 | abrotman | !tell bunnyto about selftell |
| 00:52.31 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 00:52.33 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | !tell Orbixx about selftell |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | tell stoned about tell |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:52.51 | stoned | read the wiki.... |
| 00:52.56 | stoned | heh :) |
| 00:53.21 | jon_ | Orbixx bunnyto you can /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 00:53.25 | bunnyto | abrotman: do we have anything about MSI wind? |
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| 00:53.29 | Orbixx | Yes, thanks. |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | bunnyto: google ... |
| 00:53.45 | Orbixx | Hmm. |
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| 00:53.55 | Orbixx | Looks a little buggy from what their wiki says at the moment. |
| 00:53.59 | jon_ | and the bot will respond to you IF you're on the channel |
| 00:54.03 | Orbixx | I was looking at Ubuntu-eee for the time being. |
| 00:54.11 | jon_ | (strange, but they had to do that) |
| 00:54.13 | stoned | jon_, they've been told :) |
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| 00:54.23 | stoned | jon_, if you're on any channels with dpkg |
| 00:54.27 | stoned | (I think) |
| 00:54.33 | stoned | (so long as you have a common chan) |
| 00:54.42 | jon_ | right, like #debian-bots |
| 00:54.46 | stoned | yes |
| 00:56.00 | stoned | oooh debate time |
| 00:56.06 | stoned | bbl |
| 00:56.19 | jon_ | debate shmeebate |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:56.24 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:58.25 | jsoftw | What is the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686, besides the name |
| 00:59.18 | jdrake | Do we have anything that can stress test a system while in debian? |
| 00:59.44 | jsoftw | jdrake: java |
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| 01:00.06 | jdrake | jsoftw, not quite what I had in mind |
| 01:01.08 | jsoftw | :) |
| 01:01.16 | jsoftw | How do I show currently installed packages? |
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| 01:02.09 | jsoftw | ... |
| 01:02.11 | jhamlin | Whenever my screen updates (like if I'm scrolling) my sound gets all scratchy and skippy. How can I fix this?? |
| 01:02.43 | jsoftw | Sounds like the linux kernel being its usual self |
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| 01:03.50 | avu | jsoftw, one was is dpkg -l | grep '^ii' |
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| 01:03.57 | avu | jsoftw, or aptitude search '~i' |
| 01:04.03 | jsoftw | :| |
| 01:04.05 | jsoftw | wtf. |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | jdrake: plenty of things |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | !tell jsoftw about installed |
| 01:05.48 | jsoftw | That is pretty lame. |
| 01:05.56 | avu | how so? |
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| 01:06.29 | avu | abrotman, hm the [hi] instead of ii is a good thing, I don't agree at all with the !~M dpkg suggests when using aptitude though |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | i blame bob |
| 01:06.44 | jsoftw | After being around so long, one would expect something like apt-cache show or something like that. |
| 01:06.52 | avu | it's "list installed packages" not "list packages installed but not installed automatically" |
| 01:07.15 | avu | jsoftw, huh? apt-cache show is something different? |
| 01:07.32 | avu | jsoftw, I don't get what your problem is with the siggested solutions |
| 01:08.03 | jsoftw | they are long winded. |
| 01:08.16 | avu | aptitude search '~i' is pretty slick? |
| 01:08.16 | aptitude | avu: okay |
| 01:08.17 | jsoftw | show _is_ something different, but yeah. |
| 01:08.28 | avu | with the normal bash setup you can even leave out the quotes :) |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | aptitude: forget search '~i' |
| 01:08.34 | aptitude | abrotman: i forgot search '~i' |
| 01:09.05 | avu | oh |
| 01:09.12 | avu | teaching the bot by accident :) |
| 01:10.44 | gbp | heh lol |
| 01:10.48 | avu | jsoftw, if it's readability you're concerned with, you can also aptitude search '?installed' |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | how about dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 01:11.50 | avu | abrotman, that would require a '|grep "(install|hold)$"' or something to be accurate |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 01:12.11 | jsoftw | avu: thats not even the point |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | jsoftw: so tell us what your ideal method would be |
| 01:12.47 | avu | and how it would be better than aptitude search '~i' |
| 01:12.50 | jsoftw | something that simply shows the install packages. Not some regular expression, or anything like that. |
| 01:13.07 | jsoftw | ie, pkg_info |
| 01:13.10 | avu | well, that's what aptitude search '~i' does. |
| 01:13.10 | jsoftw | equiv |
| 01:13.14 | jsoftw | *sigh* |
| 01:13.15 | avu | it searches for installed packages |
| 01:13.23 | jsoftw | Nevermind. |
| 01:13.39 | avu | it would be quite cluttering if there was a special command for every special kind of search one likes to do at times |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | meh .. dpkg --get-selections | grep install |
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| 01:14.19 | jsoftw | Yeah. Anyway, does a kernel _need_ an initrd img to boot? |
| 01:14.23 | avu | abrotman, that wouldn't be very accurate at all |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | jsoftw: depends |
| 01:14.34 | avu | jsoftw, a kernel does not, the debian kernels do |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | avu: nope .. but it's not a regexp :) |
| 01:14.50 | avu | heh |
| 01:14.57 | jsoftw | avu: ok, ive got a xen one installed, and the entry it put into grub's menu.lst has no initrd for it |
| 01:15.04 | avu | the '~i' in the aptitude search is no regexp either ;) |
| 01:15.13 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:15.35 | jsoftw | :? |
| 01:15.36 | phorce1 | jsoftw: in your .profilerc add this line: alias showinstalled="aptitude search '~i'|less" |
| 01:15.47 | jsoftw | phorce1: I am no longer concerned about that... |
| 01:16.14 | jsoftw | Im trying to get this damn dom0 going |
| 01:16.32 | avu | jsoftw, well, does the kernel have a initrd? |
| 01:16.54 | avu | jsoftw, oh dom0 |
| 01:16.59 | jsoftw | avu: nope |
| 01:17.04 | avu | jsoftw, in this case, grub doesn't load the linux kernel in any case |
| 01:17.17 | avu | grub only starts the xen hypervisor |
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| 01:17.30 | avu | which in turn starts the dom0 kernel |
| 01:18.39 | jsoftw | Yeah well, Im having drama.s |
| 01:18.49 | jsoftw | reboots machine... |
| 01:19.00 | jsoftw | Hopefully it will work this time. |
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| 01:21.48 | jsoftw | Cannot open root device |
| 01:21.50 | MRcheese | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-MnaOu1FHg&feature=related |
| 01:21.50 | jsoftw | Panic. |
| 01:21.51 | MRcheese | funny shit |
| 01:22.08 | jsoftw | phorce1: dry up. |
| 01:22.08 | phorce1 | will probably have the same issues when he starts playing with vm in a couple of months |
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| 01:23.00 | avu | jsoftw, show us your menu.lst entry for xen |
| 01:23.25 | jsoftw | avu: standby, standby... |
| 01:23.31 | jsoftw | hmm wheres a pastebin |
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| 01:23.40 | avu | rafb.net/paste |
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| 01:24.49 | jsoftw | http://rafb.net/p/uTL7Fk99.html <-- |
| 01:24.49 | jsoftw | :) |
| 01:25.18 | avu | /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 ? |
| 01:25.22 | jsoftw | ya. |
| 01:25.27 | avu | what? |
| 01:25.32 | jsoftw | ... ? |
| 01:25.34 | jsoftw | What about it |
| 01:25.53 | phorce1 | what is it? |
| 01:26.01 | phorce1 | (type of device) |
| 01:26.11 | jsoftw | Oh.. its a raid controller. |
| 01:26.22 | jsoftw | http://rafb.net/p/hl2R4n15.html <-- contains the other entrys, which work |
| 01:26.27 | avu | and the drivers needed to get this device are all in the kernel? |
| 01:26.37 | jsoftw | its a compaq i400 or some crap. |
| 01:26.40 | avu | no modules? |
| 01:26.42 | jsoftw | HP even |
| 01:26.51 | jsoftw | avu: hmm? |
| 01:26.53 | phorce1 | If the drivers aren't compiled directly into the kernel then you need an initrd |
| 01:27.04 | jsoftw | Hmm ok, how do I get that |
| 01:27.06 | avu | jsoftw, well, you're not using an initrd |
| 01:27.29 | avu | jsoftw, so everything needed to mount the root device must be compield into the kernel |
| 01:27.33 | jsoftw | Well this is what I was asking before. Sounds about right, so where do I get these initrd gizmos from? |
| 01:27.39 | phorce1 | recompile the xen kernel with the drivers for that raid card built in, not as modules |
| 01:27.41 | betz | enouf: i installedfull kde and removed gnome with aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common, but gnome is still showing, how do i actually change this? |
| 01:27.45 | jsoftw | recompile? |
| 01:27.48 | jsoftw | It _was_ working before |
| 01:27.51 | avu | jsoftw, how did you get this dom0 kernel? |
| 01:27.59 | jsoftw | avu: just using apt-get install... |
| 01:28.13 | avu | jsoftw, if it's from debian, the initrd came with it (or more accuratly was generated on package install) |
| 01:28.17 | avu | look in /boot |
| 01:28.21 | jsoftw | its not in there. |
| 01:28.23 | phorce1 | jsoftw: odd -- it had to be using an initrd when it was working |
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| 01:28.54 | jsoftw | phorce1: I think it was, but now its not there ( I re-installed the kernel and hypervisor and stuff using apt-get remove) |
| 01:28.58 | ham5 | 'an initrd' just means a file in one of the rc* folders? |
| 01:29.06 | jsoftw | brb |
| 01:29.09 | pickcoder | initial ram disk |
| 01:29.15 | pickcoder | used before the f/s is loaded |
| 01:29.32 | avu | jsoftw, dpkg-reconfigure <the kernel package you have installed> should re-generate the initrd |
| 01:29.39 | enouf | betz: not sure; try this; ~$ tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop |
| 01:30.04 | pickcoder | or see "a major pain in the rear if you have softRAID and experience problems" |
| 01:30.22 | enouf | betz: pick and choose which pkgs you want to remove, and --purge remove (and what do you mean "but gnome is still showing" ??) |
| 01:30.22 | phorce1 | ham5: do an 'ls /boot' and you should see initrd.img-2.x.x.x (matching your kernel) |
| 01:31.07 | ham5 | and thats the initrd? |
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| 01:31.40 | avu | ham5, yes, those are, one for every (debian-) kernel you have installed |
| 01:31.44 | betz | enouf: i signed off (user), and signed on again but i still have the feet in the left corner |
| 01:31.50 | ham5 | gotcha |
| 01:31.52 | ham5 | thanks |
| 01:31.53 | betz | enouf: sorry for my bad english |
| 01:31.53 | enouf | feet? |
| 01:31.53 | phorce1 | ham5: yes. Kind of a kernel module preloader that gets the hardware working so the kernel can see it to finish booting |
| 01:32.22 | Cornmeal | Can you help me with installing Debian on my Intel iMac Aluminum? I'm having trouble setting up internet, wired or wireless. |
| 01:32.31 | enouf | betz: not sure what "feet" is, nor where it comes from - sorry - your english is fine |
| 01:32.53 | pickcoder | fee = gnome application menu IIRC |
| 01:32.56 | enouf | betz: maybe you don't want gdm as you DisplayManager? |
| 01:32.57 | pickcoder | s/fee/feet |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | Cornmeal: which version of debian .. and what are the devices? |
| 01:33.09 | avu | but why plural? |
| 01:33.13 | avu | it's only one foot! |
| 01:33.19 | enouf | fee? pay me? :-P |
| 01:33.20 | betz | enouf: right, i want to use kde |
| 01:33.32 | betz | enouf: i mean the feet of gnome :) |
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| 01:33.52 | enouf | betz: well install kdm, the dpkg-reconfigure kdm to set it as your default, remove gdm |
| 01:34.00 | enouf | s/the/then |
| 01:34.05 | avu | and maybe also install kde? :) |
| 01:34.19 | enouf | doesn't know the Feet of Gnome :-/ |
| 01:34.22 | Cornmeal | 4.0r4, and in my System Profiler it said I had a BCM43xx wireless device. Under ethernet, it said en0. (?) |
| 01:34.33 | enouf | avu: done prior |
| 01:34.37 | avu | oh, sorry |
| 01:34.39 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 01:34.43 | enouf | no worries |
| 01:34.52 | avu | goes away to cry |
| 01:34.53 | pickcoder | kdm will just blow up |
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| 01:35.11 | abrotman | Cornmeal: did you install etchnhalf or just regular etch? |
| 01:35.14 | enouf | !dm |
| 01:35.14 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | Cornmeal: uname -a |
| 01:35.46 | avu | why -a? |
| 01:35.52 | Cornmeal | abrotman: I don't know about etchnhalf, I'm using the netinst CD. |
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| 01:36.07 | abrotman | Cornmeal: uname -a |
| 01:36.15 | Cornmeal | abrotman: but I'm rebooting my computer to uname -a atm. |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:36.31 | betz | enouf: i installed kde this way: aptitude install kde xorg |
| 01:36.42 | avu | since you don't have network there, just do uname -r, it'll give you less to type and will still contain the information we need ;) |
| 01:36.51 | enouf | betz: that's fine |
| 01:36.59 | betz | but when i do dpkg-reconfigure kdm, i get kde is not installed |
| 01:37.05 | enouf | !install kde |
| 01:37.06 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 01:37.30 | Cornmeal | abrotman: Is the netinst CD okay for my situation? |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | we'll find out |
| 01:38.06 | enouf | betz: that sounds almost ludicrous |
| 01:38.30 | enouf | betz: are you using Debian? .. or ..some variant? |
| 01:38.44 | betz | just downloaded and installed debian lenny or something |
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| 01:39.17 | betz | sorry for my noobisch behaviour :) |
| 01:39.24 | bunnyto | join #roverpc |
| 01:39.25 | enouf | betz: does it say kde is not installed? or kdm is not |
| 01:39.28 | bunnyto | join #roverpc |
| 01:39.38 | avu | bunnyto, no. |
| 01:39.39 | bunnyto | sorry typo |
| 01:39.46 | betz | enouf: kde is not installed |
| 01:39.50 | pickcoder | betz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:39.51 | enouf | gah |
| 01:39.53 | bunnyto | im researching UMpcs |
| 01:39.56 | Cornmeal | abrotman: Nice answer, and output of uname -a is as follows: Darwin xxxxxxx-imac-2.local 9.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.5.0: Wed Sep 3 11:29:43 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.7.58~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 |
| 01:40.07 | avu | haha |
| 01:40.11 | bunnyto | me kiss gnite abrotman... |
| 01:40.15 | avu | Cornmeal, he meant 'do that while running debian' |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 01:40.21 | avu | abrotman, OSX |
| 01:40.21 | Cornmeal | abrotman: btw, I'm using the amd64 cd. Is that okay with my intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | Cornmeal: that's OSX :) |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | isn't it ? |
| 01:40.30 | avu | it is |
| 01:40.32 | pickcoder | heh |
| 01:40.39 | betz | pickcoder: lenny/sid |
| 01:40.42 | Cornmeal | abrotman: Yes, sorry... I don't have a terminal cause the netinst isn't live CD. |
| 01:40.47 | pickcoder | betz: how did you install lenny? |
| 01:40.50 | enouf | betz: aptitude install kdm kde-core kdebase kde-libs |
| 01:40.54 | Cornmeal | I could put my Ubuntu live CD in and run it from there, is that OK? |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | Cornmeal: hit ctrl-alt-f4 and check .. or check the ISO you burnt |
| 01:41.01 | avu | Cornmeal, no |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | Cornmeal: either try an etchnhalf netinst .. or a daily lenny netinst |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | either way .. your wifi will need firmware |
| 01:41.50 | Cornmeal | I'll try ctrl-alt-f4... standby. |
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| 01:42.04 | {`} | huh. |
| 01:42.10 | enouf | betz: fwiw - this is my list of installed KDE crap <enouf> http://sial.org/pbot/32492 is dpkg -l \*kde* | grep ^.i |
| 01:42.12 | Cornmeal | Sorry about my OS X uname. |
| 01:42.58 | betz | enouf: ok, did aptitude install kdm kde-core kdebase kde-libs is busy right now |
| 01:43.01 | enouf | bah, i wanted to do nickometer .. |
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| 01:43.09 | enouf | betz: ok |
| 01:43.16 | betz | pickcoder: downloaded the dvd and with graphical install |
| 01:43.26 | enouf | !nickometer {`} |
| 01:43.27 | dpkg | '{`}' is 76.000% lame, enouf |
| 01:43.41 | enouf | dpkg: you're getting senile :-P |
| 01:43.42 | dpkg | enouf: are you using Windows? |
| 01:43.53 | prolix | heh |
| 01:44.59 | prolix | !eat beans&rice |
| 01:44.59 | dpkg | eats beans&rice, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease |
| 01:45.06 | Cornmeal | F4 was running the installer, F3 is good. Output of uname -a: Linux (none) 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 26 08:39:14 UTC 2008 x86_64 unknown |
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| 01:45.19 | Cornmeal | Lol, dpkg. |
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| 01:45.31 | jsoftw | avu: ahh thanks |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | Cornmeal: you're still going to need firmware |
| 01:46.06 | jsoftw | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | prolix: stop messing with the bot |
| 01:46.07 | jsoftw | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 01:46.20 | jsoftw | whoops |
| 01:46.35 | jsoftw | avu: ^^ dpkg-reconfigure says that |
| 01:46.37 | amphi | wonders why enouf runs a DE |
| 01:46.44 | betz | enouf: ok its done, i did dpkg-reconfigure kde, i still get kde is not installed |
| 01:46.56 | Cornmeal | abrotman: Expound please? |
| 01:47.00 | enouf | has it installed so i can show the weenies how not to install it :-P |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | !tell Cornmeal about bcm43xx |
| 01:47.22 | enouf | betz: "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |
| 01:47.26 | enouf | betz: not kde |
| 01:48.05 | Cornmeal | Umm... nothing happened. |
| 01:48.09 | betz | typo in irc |
| 01:48.17 | Cornmeal | Dpkg fail. |
| 01:48.17 | dpkg | Cornmeal: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:48.19 | betz | did it right in terminal |
| 01:48.36 | Cornmeal | That was my error? |
| 01:48.44 | enouf | betz: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 01:48.46 | Cornmeal | I'm familiar with PEBKAC. |
| 01:48.48 | avu | jsoftw, then try using update-initramfs directly |
| 01:49.06 | enouf | betz: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 01:49.19 | Cornmeal | !tell Cornmeal about bcm43xx |
| 01:49.19 | avu | jsoftw, dpkg-reconfigure is the right way though. |
| 01:49.39 | avu | jsoftw, probably isn't fit to handle manually deleted initrds which is a shame I guess |
| 01:49.41 | prolix | pelts abrotman with marshmallows |
| 01:50.04 | avu | jsoftw, worst case, purge the kernel package and install it anew (purge, not remove) |
| 01:50.26 | avu | prolix, why don't you do that in #debian-offtopic or #debian-foodfights? |
| 01:51.12 | Cornmeal | abrotman: You know what this reminds me of? "Cannot connect to Internet. Download drivers? yes/no" |
| 01:51.14 | prolix | pelts avu with the same marshmallows for the obvious irony |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | Cornmeal: yeah .. i know .. which is why i said to use etchnhalf or lenny |
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| 01:51.58 | betz | enouf: big kisses man, it woooorks! :) |
| 01:52.06 | avu | prolix, how could you discover my fetish for used marshmallows :( |
| 01:52.09 | Cornmeal | I thought etch was stable. Darn, Debian lied to me! |
| 01:52.10 | jsoftw | avu: ahh there we go |
| 01:52.20 | pickcoder | it is stable.. |
| 01:52.20 | jsoftw | avu: ahh purge, you say |
| 01:52.25 | prolix | heh |
| 01:52.25 | pickcoder | broadcom on the other hand... |
| 01:52.36 | enouf | betz: ok - but abrotman is the one wearing the lipstick and pumps |
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| 01:52.42 | enouf | hides |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | enouf: maybe you should try #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 01:53.20 | jsoftw | avu: how do I purge a kernel package? |
| 01:53.39 | enouf | abrotman: maybe i should call bunnyto back :-P |
| 01:53.41 | avu | jsoftw, same way you purge any package, aptitude purge package |
| 01:53.57 | Cornmeal | Does etchandahalf have a netinst CD? |
| 01:53.59 | jsoftw | I am very newbie at debian you see. |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | Cornmeal: yep |
| 01:54.15 | pickcoder | has anyone used the Intel ESB2 chipset in RAID mode with 2.6.2x? |
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| 01:54.48 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:55.13 | gnufs | hello |
| 01:55.13 | gnufs | after i did a minimal install, i'm having trouble with sudo |
| 01:55.13 | gnufs | i did 'su' and 'apt-get install sudo' but now having the '<username> is not in the sudoers file' |
| 01:55.13 | gnufs | how can i add the user to this group? |
| 01:55.13 | gnufs | (i guess something to append to /etc/sudoers in su) |
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| 01:55.14 | jsoftw | Awesome. |
| 01:55.19 | jsoftw | Time to try this again |
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| 01:56.02 | gnufs | ok i'm back :) |
| 01:56.20 | jsoftw | Erm, that wasnt a flood was it? |
| 01:56.32 | gnufs | got kicked for flooding |
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| 01:56.50 | gnufs | did my question appear? |
| 01:56.53 | Cornmeal | Yes. |
| 01:56.59 | Cornmeal | You want to change sudoers. |
| 01:57.08 | Cornmeal | Back up /etc/sudoers to /etc/sudoers.back |
| 01:57.15 | Cornmeal | (using cp, of course) |
| 01:57.19 | avu | huh? |
| 01:57.23 | avu | just use visudo |
| 01:57.26 | Cornmeal | okay. |
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| 01:57.37 | Cornmeal | I prefer emacs or a visual text editor, but whatever. |
| 01:57.44 | avu | ? |
| 01:57.51 | avu | visudo uses $EDITOR of course |
| 01:57.51 | gnufs | visudo? |
| 01:57.57 | Cornmeal | gnufs: login as root then run ~#sudo visudo |
| 01:58.03 | pickcoder | visudo doesn't let you screw up the format |
| 01:58.04 | avu | without sudo |
| 01:58.08 | pickcoder | don't edit the file manually |
| 01:58.13 | Cornmeal | *my mistake |
| 01:58.31 | Cornmeal | gnufs: run visudo as root. |
| 01:58.54 | avu | and man 5 sudoers if you don't know the format |
| 01:59.34 | jsoftw | Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Backend device not found. <-- :( |
| 01:59.37 | gnufs | i did |
| 01:59.39 | jsoftw | xm create foo.cnf |
| 01:59.49 | jsoftw | where foo.cnf is an actual valid config file |
| 01:59.56 | jsoftw | for a xen image |
| 02:00.03 | avu | jsoftw, your xend config doesn't contain the needed network configuration |
| 02:00.13 | jsoftw | avu: the image config ? |
| 02:00.18 | gnufs | Cornmeal: it opened /etc/sudoers. Now what do i do? |
| 02:00.20 | avu | jsoftw, no, the configuration of xend |
| 02:00.29 | jsoftw | avu: oh ok. |
| 02:00.31 | jsoftw | investigategs |
| 02:00.33 | avu | jsoftw, /etc/xen/xend.xonf or something like that |
| 02:01.00 | avu | the typos are getting worse, I should go to bed :) |
| 02:01.16 | Cornmeal | gnufs: add your username |
| 02:01.27 | avu | gnufs, man 5 sudoers |
| 02:01.28 | Cornmeal | gnufs: but retain the format |
| 02:01.29 | micols | anyone, how do i completely remove a key of mine from a keyserver (gpg key) , it says **REVOKED** ? |
| 02:01.39 | micols | or will it be removed with time |
| 02:01.48 | gnufs | i'll try |
| 02:02.00 | avu | micols, gpg --delete-key foo |
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| 02:02.12 | avu | micols, ah, from a server, sorry |
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| 02:04.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: I got the job. I'll be adminning Debian. |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | unplugs his servers from the intarweb |
| 02:06.39 | Cornmeal | How ya doing over there, gnufs? |
| 02:06.55 | jsoftw | avu: cheers for the help |
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| 02:07.07 | gnufs | Cornmeal: clueless |
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| 02:07.16 | gnufs | i don't know where to add my user name |
| 02:08.10 | avu | gnufs, for the third time: read man 5 sudoers |
| 02:08.18 | avu | gnufs, it explains the file's format |
| 02:08.25 | gnufs | :) |
| 02:08.32 | gnufs | avu: i guess i do |
| 02:08.36 | Cornmeal | gnufs: man 5 sudoers |
| 02:08.49 | Cornmeal | avu: I think (s)he only listens to me. |
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| 02:09.10 | gnufs | :D |
| 02:09.24 | enouf | dpkg: reverb is just a very fast echo :-p |
| 02:09.24 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 02:09.30 | gnufs | i'm just a little overwhelmed by multiplke things |
| 02:09.31 | enouf | oh crap .. |
| 02:09.39 | enouf | !forget reverb |
| 02:09.39 | dpkg | i forgot reverb, enouf |
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| 02:10.04 | Cornmeal | enouf: Why are you playing with dpkg? |
| 02:10.16 | avu | he's probably just lonely :( |
| 02:10.22 | Cornmeal | Aww... |
| 02:10.28 | Cornmeal | Someone needs a hug. |
| 02:10.49 | Cornmeal | enouf: Walk out of the basement stairs and give your mom a hug. :P just playing |
| 02:11.17 | enouf | i'm just being too witty for my own good - and subreferencing things to the dennis miller degree |
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| 02:11.37 | cilkay | Hello. I can download packages using apt-get from my apt-cacher package cache but I haven't managed to get my preseed file to use apt-cacher. I keep getting prompted for the country for the mirror and then it just downloads from the Internet instead of my apt-cacher package cache. Any idea how I get the preseed using the apt-cacher cache? |
| 02:11.40 | Cornmeal | I can subreference things... |
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| 02:12.06 | enouf | Cornmeal: swing down from the tree and give your parents some bananas! :-P |
| 02:12.25 | Sn4pS | hi guys I am a newcomer to debian and I would like to understand if I just want download debian etch which iso should I download, I am a little confused for how many iso there are |
| 02:12.26 | Cornmeal | ooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo... |
| 02:12.38 | Cornmeal | *Tarzan noises* |
| 02:12.55 | cilkay | Sn4pS: I'm quite certain that's covered in the docs. |
| 02:13.06 | Cornmeal | Sn4pS, you can burn a whole set of CDs and DVDs, or you can try the netinst CD. |
| 02:13.06 | enouf | Sn4pS: start with correct ARCH |
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| 02:13.15 | enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 02:13.15 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 02:13.15 | cilkay | If you have a broadband connection, just get the netinstall CD. |
| 02:13.21 | Cornmeal | cilkay: Was that a polite rtfm? |
| 02:13.38 | avu | Sn4pS, read the install manual for your architecture |
| 02:13.39 | gnufs | Cornmeal, avu: that was easy! :D |
| 02:13.47 | enouf | well -- that might not work so well .. without linux being installed - or atleast a livecd |
| 02:13.49 | avu | Sn4pS, your options regarding installation media are described there |
| 02:13.51 | Cornmeal | gnufs: no problem. |
| 02:14.12 | avu | gnufs, see, manpages are a good thing[tm] |
| 02:14.32 | gnufs | Cornmeal, avu: sometimes a good rtfm is just what i need :) |
| 02:14.39 | Cornmeal | gnufs: rtfm. |
| 02:14.45 | Cornmeal | READ IT! |
| 02:14.49 | Cornmeal | Now! |
| 02:14.53 | gnufs | reads |
| 02:15.14 | gnufs | man fuck |
| 02:15.15 | Sn4pS | Cornmeal: there are like 21 CD iso, do I need them all? but why just 1 for KDE? then there is the net install which seems easier |
| 02:15.30 | avu | Sn4pS, again, read the install manual |
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| 02:15.39 | Cornmeal | Sn4pS: What kind of computer do you have? |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 02:15.45 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:15.50 | enouf | Sn4pS: the 1st CD will suffice, what CPU do you have? |
| 02:16.20 | enouf | see debian.org/ports |
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| 02:17.09 | cilkay | Sn4pS: No point downloading all the CDs, unless you plan to install *every* package. |
| 02:17.13 | Cornmeal | gnufs: Inappropriate. Do you know children may be on this IRC channel? |
| 02:17.14 | eeg3 | I'm using nss_db to store certain user's /etc/passwd info. Whenever a user's info is in the db, using gdm is bogged down and super slow. No problems anywhere else. I specifically get errors with "Connecting to system bus failed" that I dont get if the info is in /etc/passwd. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:17.56 | Sn4pS | Cornmeal | enouf : it is a HP DL380 G5 server |
| 02:18.07 | enouf | cilkay: even if so, they'd soon be all out of date ;-) |
| 02:18.14 | cilkay | true |
| 02:18.19 | gnufs | Cornmeal: children? at #debian? anyway, i'm sorry and will watch my lang. |
| 02:18.58 | enouf | Sn4pS: and what is the major workload of this machine's use? |
| 02:19.12 | gnufs | i need to wake up in 2 hours so good night everybody |
| 02:19.39 | Sn4pS | enouf: debian is required by the application I need to install |
| 02:19.45 | Cornmeal | Sn4pS: Jeez, you really shelled out the bucks. Try an i386 image. |
| 02:19.53 | Cornmeal | G'night. |
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| 02:20.06 | abrotman | that's not a very expensive server IIRC |
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| 02:20.32 | Sn4pS | enouf: if I download debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso should be enough to install a base load? |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:20.50 | Cornmeal | True dat. |
| 02:21.05 | Sn4pS | tnx guys! |
| 02:21.05 | Cornmeal | Try to stay away from enouf, he plays with bots. |
| 02:21.12 | cilkay | Sn4pS: One sec. |
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| 02:21.18 | Cornmeal | dou itashi mashite |
| 02:21.26 | cilkay | Wouldn't the netinst method get you the latest packages? |
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| 02:21.44 | abrotman | they'll all end up int eh same place with an http source |
| 02:21.45 | RHSanborn | I'm trying to find a usb modem, does anyone know a command to search or list all devices like /dev/tty* or something similar? |
| 02:21.46 | cilkay | I suspect you'll have to upgrade some packages if you install using CD1. |
| 02:21.47 | Cornmeal | Yes, but you can always update with aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 02:21.56 | gnufs | hehe it's me again |
| 02:21.57 | cilkay | Yes, but what's the point? |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | cilkay: same thing either way .. |
| 02:22.03 | Cornmeal | Go to sleep. |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | cilkay: not everyone has the internet? |
| 02:22.09 | cilkay | No, you're downloading more with CD1. |
| 02:22.20 | cilkay | So how's he going to d/l CD1? |
| 02:22.22 | gnufs | a quick question: hoq can i change the screen resolution of a cli environmeny? |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | yes .. Sn4pS should use the netinst for that reason .. |
| 02:22.31 | gnufs | *how |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | cilkay: what if he's at Uni and has dialup at home? |
| 02:22.49 | gnufs | *environment :) |
| 02:23.03 | enouf | http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/dl380g5_ss/specs.html |
| 02:23.11 | enouf | Processor Name Quad-Core Intel® Xeon® E5430 (2.66 GHz, 80 Watts, 1333 FSB) |
| 02:23.13 | cilkay | Sure, but you'll recall I started with "If you have a broadband connection..." |
| 02:23.40 | Cornmeal | Good question... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484 probably works for debian. |
| 02:23.42 | cilkay | Sn4pS: "If you have a broadband connection, just use the netinst method. |
| 02:23.42 | abrotman | and Sn4pS should really be using the etchnhalf netinst |
| 02:24.05 | Cornmeal | Oh crap. |
| 02:24.06 | Cornmeal | He left. |
| 02:24.19 | beardy | Oh left. |
| 02:24.21 | Cornmeal | Wonder which one (s)he chose? |
| 02:24.22 | beardy | He crap. |
| 02:24.32 | Cornmeal | Speaking of he crap... |
| 02:24.35 | Cornmeal | peace out. |
| 02:24.57 | Cornmeal | I'll be back someday, don't worry... Not the best at Linux, especially Debian. |
| 02:24.59 | cilkay | Anyway, this preseed installation method is driving me nuts. |
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| 02:25.51 | ALoGeNo | leaving la vida loka.. |
| 02:25.52 | cilkay | I'm so close to making preseed PXE installations work except for a few things. |
| 02:26.21 | cilkay | I can't get preseed to use my apt-cacher package cache. |
| 02:26.46 | cilkay | And I don't understand how to set the locale to en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 02:27.07 | cilkay | I could do #2 in a hacky way post inst but I'd rather not. |
| 02:28.12 | RHSanborn | Does anyone know of a way to list all devices and the /dev/ path ? In my case /dev/tty* for a usb modem |
| 02:28.25 | cilkay | ls -l ? |
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| 02:29.46 | RHSanborn | hmmm, no way to tell if they are active, eh? |
| 02:30.06 | enouf | what kind of application "requires" debian? |
| 02:30.34 | cilkay | MS Windows |
| 02:30.39 | enouf | if that truly is the case, i bet it's 64bit |
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| 02:31.32 | RHSanborn | brb, have to unplug the modem from with wintel box to try this... |
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| 02:32.27 | enouf | huh? dmesg | grep ttyS |
| 02:32.34 | ham5 | RHSanborn, lsusb |
| 02:32.41 | enouf | cat /proc/ioports |
| 02:33.01 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/usb/* |
| 02:33.31 | xbj9000 | hi I'm trying to add a PCI video card to a PC, and the kernel flips out during boot |
| 02:33.35 | enouf | right , ttyUSB0 or someshit |
| 02:33.40 | xbj9000 | the PCI card works in other boxes |
| 02:33.47 | enouf | move it to another slot |
| 02:34.12 | xbj9000 | gives me BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffb380 |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | xbj9000: add in addition to what? |
| 02:34.34 | xbj9000 | oh just to the onboard video |
| 02:34.39 | enouf | conflict with your onboard video/ |
| 02:34.51 | enouf | play with BIOS |
| 02:34.53 | ham5 | all boards have onboard video? |
| 02:34.53 | abrotman | xbj9000: tried another slot? |
| 02:35.03 | xbj9000 | if I set the bios back to onboard, and leave the PCI card in or take it out it works ok |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | xbj9000: tried another slot? |
| 02:35.13 | enouf | ham5: nah |
| 02:35.20 | ham5 | just checking |
| 02:35.24 | xbj9000 | no I guess I'll try the other slot, there are only 2, and they are on an expansion board |
| 02:35.26 | xbj9000 | it's a micro |
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| 02:36.03 | enouf | most mATX have 3, some 2 i guess |
| 02:36.28 | enouf | even 1 nowadays if many PCIe slots |
| 02:36.29 | xbj9000 | this only has one with a seperate board plugged into it with 2 slots |
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| 02:37.01 | RHSanborn | I seem to have found the modem, apparently it doesn't want to work. |
| 02:37.39 | RHSanborn | It's always the weird stuff that bites me |
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| 02:42.34 | tnks | if a user's login in /etc/passwd is set to /usr/sbin/nologin or /bin/false, is ssh completely useless for that user? Or can they do something with ssh? |
| 02:43.49 | twisted` | not sure how sshfs works, or scp... |
| 02:43.58 | tnks | I know there's shells like "scponly" that permit a subset of activity. . . just curious if /usr/sbin/nologin is the same as setting a Deny in sshd_config. |
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| 02:44.43 | tnks | twisted`: given the description of scponly, I'm leaning towards believing that /everything/ is done through the shell. |
| 02:44.58 | jsoftw | [2008-10-09 04:17:20 xend 7547] DEBUG (__init__:1072) exception looking up device number for sda1: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/sda1': how do I export sda1 to that xen image? |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | tnks: ssh foo@host /bin/bash .. what happens ? |
| 02:45.20 | tnks | abrotman: I get the nologin message. |
| 02:45.38 | tnks | just curious if there's something I'm missing when thinking about the security policy of ssh. |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | tnks: so what else did you want to know? |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:45.46 | tnks | (if there's a hole I'm not considering) |
| 02:46.14 | twisted` | tnks: so what happens if you scp to it? |
| 02:46.23 | xbj9000 | abrotman, enouf, changing slots didn't help |
| 02:46.47 | tnks | twisted`: don't get the nologin message, but I'm blocked. |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | there is an scponly iirc |
| 02:48.37 | twisted` | tnks: hmm... sounds pretty solid then |
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| 02:48.47 | twisted` | I usually point users I don't want to login to /dev/null |
| 02:48.47 | twisted` | hehe |
| 02:49.02 | Tetracomm | Which is the best version of Debian to install? |
| 02:49.14 | twisted` | Tetracomm: depends on the usage |
| 02:49.35 | Tetracomm | What is the latest but not beta version? |
| 02:49.49 | tnks | twisted`: abrotman: I'm /really/ leaning towarding believing that nologin is identical policy-wise to a Deny in sshd_config. |
| 02:49.55 | Tetracomm | I am in the live folder on the server and don't know which version is the latest. |
| 02:50.11 | twisted` | tnks: check the manpage for nologin |
| 02:50.27 | xbj9000 | tetracomm you probably want Lenny |
| 02:50.28 | tnks | twisted`: I really think nologin is a gussied up /bin/false. |
| 02:50.33 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 02:50.35 | tnks | that displays a message. |
| 02:50.40 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 02:50.50 | tnks | twisted`: the real security policy is being driven by sshd, I'm sure. |
| 02:50.53 | xbj9000 | tetracomm get a weekly-build |
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| 02:51.02 | Tetracomm | Which version number is Lenny? |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | tnks: not sure i'd go that far .. but okay! |
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| 02:51.39 | abrotman | Tetracomm: it will be 5.0 when it is released |
| 02:51.43 | xbj9000 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 02:51.58 | abrotman | xbj9000: they have daily builds |
| 02:52.01 | enouf | xbj9000: so you have your new PCI video card plugged into an expansion board which itself is plugged into the one motherboard PCI slot? |
| 02:52.14 | xbj9000 | yes enouf |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 02:52.27 | enouf | xbj9000: remove the expansion board? |
| 02:52.28 | tnks | abrotman: sorry, what point did I possibly overstate? |
| 02:52.30 | xbj9000 | abrotman I figure weekly is plenty close enough |
| 02:52.31 | Devin | what version of debian should I use with an amd semrpon? |
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| 02:52.34 | Devin | sempron* |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 02:52.37 | abrotman | there we go |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | tnks: moo! |
| 02:52.52 | Tetracomm | abrotman: When will it be released? |
| 02:52.55 | xbj9000 | enouf, the way it |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 02:52.57 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 02:52.59 | Tetracomm | What is the version before it? |
| 02:53.17 | xbj9000 | enouf, the card won't fit into it the way it's built |
| 02:53.23 | xbj9000 | :( |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | Tetracomm: etch is 4.0 |
| 02:53.30 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 02:53.44 | Devin | what version of debian should I use with an amd sempron? |
| 02:53.44 | Tetracomm | Maybe I should get Etch then, since Lenny might be buggy. |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | Tetracomm: depends on the hardware .. but if you do etch .. get the etchnhalf netinst |
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| 02:54.15 | Devin | I mean as far as architecture |
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| 02:54.23 | enouf | xbj9000: it would seem there's no more address space left - boot without all that and look at cat /proc/iomem and dmesg - not sure if you could workaround it using that expansion board - maybe a kernel boot parameter - and see man setpci |
| 02:54.26 | xbj9000 | tetracomm lenny is rarely buggy for me |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | Devin: is it 64bit? |
| 02:54.36 | Devin | I don't think so |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | Devin: i386 |
| 02:54.49 | enouf | xbj9000: seems like a few bad choices were made ;-) |
| 02:54.51 | Tetracomm | Ok |
| 02:54.52 | Tetracomm | . |
| 02:54.52 | Devin | okay, thanks a lot |
| 02:55.11 | enouf | xbj9000: motherboards are like 40 bucks ;-) |
| 02:55.12 | Devin | but I thought intel was the x86 one? |
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| 02:55.20 | abrotman | Devin: i386 |
| 02:55.35 | Devin | yeah, I trust you |
| 02:55.50 | Devin | I'm just curious, I have no idea what it stands for or anything |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | !i386 |
| 02:55.56 | dpkg | [i386] the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
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| 02:56.37 | abrotman | doesn't etch require a DX? .. oh well |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | maybe that was 486 .. too old! |
| 02:57.41 | enouf | the kernel can be configured to use a fake MMU :-P |
| 02:57.58 | mimcpher | .... Does anybody still run a 486 for non-novelty purposes anymore anyways? |
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| 02:58.02 | Devin | okay, well thanks a lot |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | enouf: i thought it was deemed insecure .. but i can't recall exactly what/why |
| 02:58.17 | enouf | forgets as well |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | mimcpher: i've got one here .. it was my dialup router .. i think it's running etch |
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| 02:58.38 | enouf | Devin: a sempron is an AMD k8 |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | enouf: not always ... |
| 02:58.50 | enouf | !customer |
| 02:58.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 02:59.11 | enouf | abrotman: there are k7 semprons? hrm |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sempron |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | yes .. there are k7 |
| 02:59.39 | enouf | i thought they didn't appear until amd64 |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | wrong! |
| 03:00.04 | enouf | they were the budget versions, meant to replace .. oh well |
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| 03:00.15 | enouf | oh stfu you fool |
| 03:00.28 | enouf | they suck anyway |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:00.57 | enouf | some of the one's that claimed 64bit support didn't have it - AMD fails |
| 03:01.01 | amphi | sempron is amd celery? |
| 03:01.07 | enouf | aye |
| 03:01.22 | xbj9000 | enouf I'm going to boot it back up and install finch / irssi and be back.. |
| 03:01.34 | xbj9000 | the thing is, the onboard video doesn't work right either |
| 03:01.51 | enouf | xbj9000: what is the onboard video? |
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| 03:01.56 | enouf | what CPU is that? |
| 03:02.01 | debclair | hi everyone |
| 03:02.11 | xbj9000 | I don't remember it's been on my shelf for months |
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| 03:02.29 | enouf | xbj9000: if you want, you could try disabling the onboard in the BIOS |
| 03:02.30 | xbj9000 | CPU on it is a P4 |
| 03:02.51 | xbj9000 | well I did choose PCI instead of onboard in the bios |
| 03:02.57 | enouf | hrm, then it's Intel GMA crap or whatever their old shit was |
| 03:03.07 | xbj9000 | no it's something else |
| 03:03.12 | xbj9000 | hang on |
| 03:03.14 | debclair | can you tell me how should my variable PATH look like when I install the j2dk binary files? |
| 03:03.30 | enouf | hrm, ALi? SIS? Via? (shudders) |
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| 03:04.50 | jsoftw | *sigh* |
| 03:05.40 | enouf | heh, Socket A sempron, hahah |
| 03:05.48 | xbj9000 | http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=Hermes_845GV_Lite |
| 03:05.56 | xbj9000 | I thought it was sis though |
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| 03:06.41 | xbj9000 | I know I previously got it to work by using an old-style xorg.conf, enouf |
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| 03:10.41 | enouf | xbj9000: see "Intel i845G chipset (Brookdale-G) " and "Intel i845GL chipset (Brookdale-GL)" http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ202.htm |
| 03:11.35 | enouf | xbj9000: xorg doesn't come into play until way after the kernel loads entirely ;-) |
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| 03:12.21 | enouf | xbj9000: if you can boot into single or runlevel1 with no issues, you might have a shot |
| 03:12.35 | curt001 | my /var/lib/dpkg/status file keeps getting corrupted. I keep getting these kind of randomly spaced but grouped together black ovals with question marks replacing charaters in the file. Is there a reason this keeps happening? |
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| 03:15.48 | enouf | xbj9000: you shouldn't be having any issues getting the regular onboard video working (barring any hardware issues, that is) |
| 03:16.33 | xbj9000 | enouf the onboard graphics won't do X |
| 03:17.06 | xbj9000 | I think it's just detected wrong, I used an old style xorg.conf with the PCI address specified and I think the driver specified to fix it for X |
| 03:18.13 | ameyer | ahh, I had that bug when I tried to run linux with 2 video cards |
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| 03:18.47 | enouf | xbj9000: what do you mean old style? and which version of debian are you using? |
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| 03:19.01 | ameyer | for the record, the 845g doesn't work well with nv or the proprietary nvidea bs |
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| 03:19.12 | xbj9000 | Lenny, and I mean like when xorg.conf actually contained a lot of info instead of the new 'configured device' way |
| 03:19.27 | ameyer | is kinda amazed that the kernel didn't panic |
| 03:19.36 | enouf | old style to me means XF86Config-4 |
| 03:19.51 | ameyer | enouf: not that old, I don't think |
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| 03:20.01 | xbj9000 | ameyer it does panic when I plug in the PCI nvidia card |
| 03:20.21 | enouf | xbj9000: you can manually add entries to your xorg,conf to override the Autoconfig in the newer lenny Xorg |
| 03:20.31 | ameyer | xbj9000: wow. I used to get an X error |
| 03:20.48 | curt001 | wonders if kde is a good default |
| 03:21.04 | xbj9000 | ameyer the onboard gives me an X error and when I try an add-on PCI card it fraks out |
| 03:21.08 | xbj9000 | freaks out |
| 03:21.13 | ameyer | I see |
| 03:21.53 | ameyer | do you really need the addon PCI card? |
| 03:21.53 | enouf | xbj9000: X errors aren't that uncommon and can usually be easily fixed |
| 03:21.53 | xbj9000 | ameyer you seem to think it's due to it being an nvidia card is that right? |
| 03:22.11 | xbj9000 | I can get the onboard to work but I have this card and wanted to use it |
| 03:22.19 | xbj9000 | since the PC is older anyway and not that great |
| 03:22.20 | ameyer | xbj9000: no, I think it's because autodetection is still buggy |
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| 03:22.36 | ameyer | that bug goes back to at least woody |
| 03:22.41 | enouf | curt001: why are you toying with /var/lib/dpkg/status: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines ? |
| 03:22.51 | xbj9000 | do you suggest any boot parameters or workarounds? |
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| 03:23.25 | enouf | curt001: you're either a) missing some fonts, so they don't display or b) your locales aren't configured properly |
| 03:24.11 | ameyer | xbj9000: either do without the addon card or boot into windows and get the correct pci id for the card |
| 03:24.48 | enouf | well - heh, windows .. 1st see if a LiveCD has issues as well |
| 03:25.08 | ameyer | actually, for what it's worth, what lspci shows as the intel card is actually the nvidia card |
| 03:25.13 | xbj9000 | I tried a couple of live CDs and they did the same thing but I have some more I can try |
| 03:25.14 | ameyer | IIRC |
| 03:25.36 | xbj9000 | ? |
| 03:26.02 | ameyer | xbj9000: just don't use a debian-based livecd |
| 03:26.26 | ameyer | although I *think* knoppix just uses vesa |
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| 03:27.12 | enouf | i really dislike bashing older hardware - but i'm sorry, that design is meant for nothing but the trash - a p4 is fine, and even that chipset per se .. but man, those flat desktops with 1 PCI slot? wtf? |
| 03:27.28 | xbj9000 | ameyer I used a slack based one, and it messes up long before it gets to X |
| 03:27.45 | xbj9000 | during 'populating /dev...' |
| 03:28.07 | xbj9000 | yeah it's ok enouf, I know it blows |
| 03:28.07 | enouf | ameyer: he's got an expansion card in between the one mobo PCI slot and the nv PCI card |
| 03:28.22 | xbj9000 | I got it cheap on ebay because I had an old P4 I didn't want to throw out |
| 03:28.40 | enouf | xbj9000: try disabling udev, noudev option or something |
| 03:28.48 | xbj9000 | ok |
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| 03:29.02 | enouf | but if the issue is /dev/agpgart being made - well |
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| 03:29.47 | prolix | slitaz is a 24.8mb livecd that boots on any x86 |
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| 03:30.27 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't figure out why a freshily aptitude installed bootchart can't start at boot... all the init.d script does is STOP the system, it never starts |
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| 03:31.15 | enouf | xbj9000: i picked up a p4 at the curb, had a geforce mx400 AGP/64MB, 1x 256MB DIMM (pc133), SBLive card, Seagate 40GB HDD ;-) |
| 03:31.15 | dmoerner | prolix: i don't believe it boots on a 386 |
| 03:31.31 | jdrake | Should gnome run reasonably well on a pentium 3/450 w/576mb of ram? |
| 03:31.37 | dmoerner | PhrkOnLsh: are you booting with it corectly? init=/sbin/bootchartd |
| 03:31.46 | prolix | dmoerner: why not? |
| 03:31.56 | enouf | xbj9000: all work fine in my p2 O_O |
| 03:31.58 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, am I supposed to do that? will that kick to normal init afterwords? |
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| 03:32.03 | PhrkOnLsh | I hadn't seen that anywhere |
| 03:32.05 | PhrkOnLsh | let's see |
| 03:32.09 | xbj9000 | yeah enouf I grab trash too lol |
| 03:32.12 | amphi | enouf: 'at the curb', heh |
| 03:32.35 | enouf | xbj9000: though, i might smack them back into the p4 tower - add one of my new CPUs and off we go ;-) |
| 03:32.35 | xbj9000 | what were you saying about agpgart? |
| 03:32.43 | dmoerner | prolix: because it's website says it doesn't |
| 03:33.01 | dmoerner | http://www.slitaz.org/en/doc/releases/1.0/relnotes.en.html |
| 03:33.02 | enouf | xbj9000: not much - it's complicated, and i don't know much :-P |
| 03:33.24 | enouf | amphi: kicked like a can ;-) |
| 03:33.52 | enouf | amphi: i still have yet to disect this HDD info ;-) |
| 03:34.15 | curt001 | enouf: it's completely borked now .. I don't think that it is really going to be completely recoverable now. The backups are too old to recover anything but the base install from. I think that I am just going to reinstall -- I don't like this kde setup anyway... |
| 03:34.16 | enouf | amphi: (i actually haven) |
| 03:34.31 | prolix | dmoerner: yeah. is i386 x86? |
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| 03:34.53 | enouf | amphi: (i actually haven't plugged that in yey - but it's sitting here, doing nothing atm) |
| 03:35.05 | enouf | yet* |
| 03:35.22 | enouf | prolix: yep |
| 03:35.30 | prolix | oh yeah? |
| 03:35.35 | curt001 | enouf: downloading debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso now |
| 03:35.37 | enouf | prolix: but x86 is ALSO x86_64 |
| 03:35.46 | enouf | which is amd64 |
| 03:36.16 | prolix | i always thought i386 was i386 and > i486=x86 |
| 03:36.26 | enouf | curt001: okie doke |
| 03:37.04 | prolix | but i believed in santa at one point, too, so my credibility is shot |
| 03:37.41 | prolix | aren't 64bits backwards compatible witn 32bit? |
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| 03:37.59 | prolix | that's not an n, that's a dwarfed h. don't height discriminate |
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| 03:39.10 | enouf | x86 64bit extensions (amd64, em64t, x86_64) |
| 03:39.35 | litwol|mac | may some one please explain to me why group name 'wheel' is used as super group versus other conventional names like 'administrator' or something ? |
| 03:39.53 | enouf | i386 came from 80386 |
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| 03:40.48 | prolix | litwol|mac: i don't know, but are you accepting guesses? |
| 03:40.50 | Somni | litwol|mac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_war |
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| 03:42.05 | litwol|mac | ok thanks :) |
| 03:42.13 | litwol|mac | i had a feeling it was purely historical |
| 03:42.38 | shad0w1e | hey guys, I pasted teh URL to an apt repo in my web browser and am getting 404 - not found. any other way for me to browse this? |
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| 03:42.55 | enouf | show us |
| 03:43.13 | shad0w1e | me? |
| 03:43.18 | enouf | what you pasted |
| 03:43.25 | enouf | yes, you |
| 03:43.41 | shad0w1e | deb http://apt.saurik.com/ tangelo main |
| 03:43.48 | enouf | ... |
| 03:43.51 | prolix | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 03:44.07 | enouf | that ain't no official repo |
| 03:44.14 | shad0w1e | it is not |
| 03:44.21 | shad0w1e | however... apt-get can access it.. |
| 03:44.26 | enouf | yes |
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| 03:44.35 | enouf | the person set it up that way |
| 03:44.35 | Somni | so then you'd have to ask whoever maintains saurik.com about why their repository isn't working properly |
| 03:44.40 | enouf | you cannot browse it |
| 03:44.51 | shad0w1e | ahh so theres no way around it :( |
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| 03:45.30 | shad0w1e | yea the repo isnt for debian... that i know |
| 03:45.49 | l337ingDisorder | anyone know how I can change my network domain? right now the system has the hostname webkiosk and is in the domain nocarrier |
| 03:47.41 | Guerin | l337ingDisorder: change it where? |
| 03:48.11 | Somni | l337ingDisorder: assuming you mean DNS domain, and not one of the many Microsoft uses of the term, you'd have to find and change your nameserver configuration, or possibly edit resolv.conf |
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| 03:48.16 | l337ingDisorder | well basically i created it in the wrong domain during os install so now i can't see it on my network |
| 03:48.24 | l337ingDisorder | when i go to Network in the Places menu |
| 03:48.32 | l337ingDisorder | or in Nautilus |
| 03:48.41 | l337ingDisorder | (sorry, Places menu in Gnome) |
| 03:49.14 | l337ingDisorder | i'll look into resolv.conf, thanks -- spose you can point me to the dir? |
| 03:49.45 | Somni | that sounds more like something to do with Windows file sharing |
| 03:49.46 | Supaplex | points with his finger into /etc |
| 03:50.06 | l337ingDisorder | hmm well i'll start with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:50.11 | l337ingDisorder | thanks folks :) |
| 03:50.11 | Guerin | do so |
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| 03:50.21 | l337ingDisorder | scuttles away into the lab |
| 03:51.49 | wols | ameyer: l337ingDisorder /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 03:52.10 | wols | that is no domain but workgroup |
| 03:52.20 | enouf | shad0w1e: you might get whatever info you want from http://www.telesphoreo.org/ |
| 03:52.31 | Supaplex | swaps labels on l337ingDisorder's lab materials for added excitement |
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| 03:53.27 | l337ingDisorder | sayyy, this water tastes funny... |
| 03:53.31 | l337ingDisorder | ack! |
| 03:54.35 | litwol|mac | so umm |
| 03:54.39 | litwol|mac | probably off topic |
| 03:54.45 | litwol|mac | but how does one install apt on centos :-D |
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| 03:55.03 | wols | litwol|mac: ask #centos not us. |
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| 03:55.23 | litwol|mac | wanted to play with it until i have my dedicated server admins install debian :-D |
| 03:55.49 | wols | litwol|mac: that doesn't matter. we don't know and don't give a fuck. ask centos people |
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| 03:55.58 | litwol|mac | harsh |
| 03:56.17 | wols | !centos |
| 03:56.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 03:56.39 | litwol|mac | bleh i dont want to know about centos |
| 03:56.50 | wols | then don't run it |
| 03:57.17 | litwol|mac | i'm trying to get rid of it |
| 03:57.32 | enouf | !debtakeover |
| 03:57.32 | dpkg | somebody said debtakeover was Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 03:57.33 | wols | then install debian. /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:57.42 | wols | debootstrap can do it right now. |
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| 03:57.54 | wols | enouf: isN't that sorta deprecated |
| 03:58.01 | enouf | wols: likely |
| 03:58.23 | ceil420 | how do i put the -stop-screensaver option in ~/.mplayer/config so i don't have to enter it every time i run it? |
| 03:59.05 | enouf | ceil420: it's in the man page |
| 03:59.06 | ceil420 | would like, stop-screensaver=true be it? |
| 03:59.10 | ceil420 | enouf, no it's not |
| 03:59.10 | dudeman | #mplayer |
| 03:59.18 | enouf | yes it is, i've seen it |
| 03:59.27 | ceil420 | i'm looking at the man page; it doesn't tell you how to put switches like that in the config file |
| 03:59.30 | dudeman | yeh he also sees dead people |
| 03:59.32 | dudeman | don't trust him |
| 03:59.36 | enouf | something like xscreensaver |
| 04:00.02 | enouf | dudeman: only if they're wearing lipstick and pumps |
| 04:00.04 | ceil420 | and the only line mentioning "screensaver" in the man page is the one telling you there's a -stop-screensaver switch |
| 04:00.37 | mimcpher | ceil420, I just read the man page and figured it out |
| 04:00.45 | mimcpher | hint: Read the secton on the config file. |
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| 04:03.27 | enouf | ceil420: most switches in the /config file are without the leading - and with a = <value> .. have you seen /etc/mplayer/* ? |
| 04:03.30 | mimcpher | ceil420, or I'll spoil the fun and say put: stop-xscreensaver=1 in your .mplayer/config |
| 04:03.42 | ceil420 | mimcpher, i'm trying to figure this out between having slept a few hours and wanting to watch a movie before sleeping a few more :x i don't know why i didn't make the leap of logic to use =yes or =1 for boolean switches |
| 04:03.50 | mimcpher | =1. |
| 04:03.56 | mimcpher | stop-xscreensaver=1. |
| 04:03.58 | mimcpher | just put that |
| 04:04.01 | mimcpher | without the period. |
| 04:04.05 | enouf | !suspense |
| 04:04.18 | enouf | foiled |
| 04:04.28 | ceil420 | yeah, that's what i thought, but i didn't wanna put it in and start a movie and lay down just to have the screensaver start up in 10mins :x |
| 04:04.34 | ceil420 | cheers though o/ |
| 04:05.21 | enouf | haha, you don't know how to set your screensaver to kick in after 1 minute for testing? lmao |
| 04:05.53 | ceil420 | logic escapes me; "that would have taken too long" |
| 04:06.02 | enouf | why do you even use a screensaver - stop wasting energy! |
| 04:06.04 | ceil420 | see: sleepy |
| 04:06.16 | ceil420 | because i like GLMatrix and fireworkx :) |
| 04:06.32 | ceil420 | anyway, power off after half hour of screensaver ain't too bad |
| 04:06.33 | enouf | or we'll have sarah and mcbush come over and drill drill drill baby drill you |
| 04:06.40 | ceil420 | oh noes |
| 04:06.49 | ceil420 | anywho, thanks for help, i need more sleep |
| 04:06.52 | ceil420 | (peace2u) |
| 04:07.18 | enouf | more Fire"poops" |
| 04:07.55 | cilkay | I've tried apt-proxy... broken. |
| 04:08.14 | cilkay | Now I'm trying apt-cacher. It works but it's not useful for preseed installations. |
| 04:08.26 | cilkay | Which brings me back to square one. |
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| 04:09.08 | cilkay | Unless the apt-cacher cache is primed, it's not likely to work for preseed installations. |
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| 04:09.28 | boss302 | hi guys, would you recommend i use etch with backports, or testing? |
| 04:09.30 | boss302 | which is more safe? |
| 04:10.06 | akio | is there a way to have something copied on write? |
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| 04:10.28 | akio | without using a cow filesystem |
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| 04:10.58 | Somni | akio: copied on write to where? |
| 04:11.00 | akio | sort of like a real time backup |
| 04:11.09 | akio | to an external drive |
| 04:11.16 | Somni | afk |
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| 04:11.46 | boss302 | i want to use nagios 3.0.3 and cacti 0.8.7b. both of which are unavailble in etch |
| 04:11.54 | boss302 | so do i just get the backports, or go to lenny? |
| 04:11.56 | xbj9001 | enouf, on the other box now |
| 04:12.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.17 | wols | boss302: or you create your own |
| 04:13.19 | enouf | xbj9001: i don;t think i could help much more anyway - i gave you some ideas to follow through on ... i gotta go now though |
| 04:13.31 | xbj9000 | ok |
| 04:13.37 | xbj9000 | thanks |
| 04:14.25 | boss302 | wols, are backports safe to use? |
| 04:14.32 | dudeman | huh? |
| 04:14.39 | dudeman | wols, yes |
| 04:14.40 | dudeman | no |
| 04:14.41 | dudeman | what |
| 04:14.43 | dudeman | boss302, yes |
| 04:14.46 | dudeman | wols, not you |
| 04:15.04 | trumpen | akio, you could use something like inotify: every time a file changes, it executes a command of yours |
| 04:15.25 | boss302 | dudeman, would you recommend using etch with backports, or just going to lenny? |
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| 04:15.41 | dudeman | etch w/ backbports until lenny is stable, then just upgrade |
| 04:15.54 | dudeman | but lenny is pretty ok right now, but there are still bugs |
| 04:16.17 | akio | that sort-of doesn't meet my needs |
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| 04:17.06 | akio | think of a live video recording, then think of snatching the external hard drive and running |
| 04:17.28 | akio | but you need that up to the second footage |
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| 04:18.44 | enouf | akio: run a raid1 :-p |
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| 04:26.13 | cilkay | How can I copy all the packages that are in pool on a CD to one directory? |
| 04:26.24 | cilkay | IOW, "unpool". |
| 04:26.59 | prolix | dances |
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| 04:30.47 | rebel_kid | whats a command line noob friendly txt editor? |
| 04:30.58 | prolix | vim |
| 04:31.09 | rebel_kid | please dont tell me its like v |
| 04:31.10 | rebel_kid | vi* |
| 04:31.16 | prolix | yeah |
| 04:31.22 | rebel_kid | damn, i hate vi |
| 04:31.34 | prolix | it's easy |
| 04:31.37 | cilkay | It's a good thing to know since it's installed on virtually every *nix box. |
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| 04:31.45 | prolix | i and :(command) is all you need to know |
| 04:32.16 | rebel_kid | :q to quit right? |
| 04:32.23 | prolix | i use :quit |
| 04:32.28 | rebel_kid | k |
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| 04:32.31 | cilkay | :q is sufficient |
| 04:32.43 | cilkay | :wq write/quite |
| 04:32.53 | cilkay | :q! don't save and quite |
| 04:32.57 | cilkay | quit |
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| 04:34.28 | rebel_kid | decides to use ftp and edit in gedit |
| 04:34.42 | rebel_kid | gedit much better :) |
| 04:34.45 | cilkay | rebel_kid: That's really lame. |
| 04:34.49 | cilkay | ... and insecure |
| 04:34.54 | prolix | using aptitude is nice |
| 04:34.59 | akio | so i guess i don't mean copy on write, what i mean is write once simultaneously in two places |
| 04:35.21 | rebel_kid | aptitude is to install, and how is it insecure to use my already setup ftp server to edit my script? |
| 04:35.35 | cilkay | rebel_kid: So how do you propose to edit root.root files? |
| 04:35.43 | cilkay | ftp is insecure |
| 04:35.51 | cilkay | passwords are sent in-the-clear |
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| 04:36.13 | rebel_kid | use vim, but for the script i will edit off the box |
| 04:36.17 | cilkay | And if ftp is jailed, you won't get near the files you need anyway. |
| 04:36.26 | akio | rebel_kid: nano |
| 04:36.45 | rebel_kid | i will learn vim for config files, but for my script its fine to use ftp |
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| 04:36.50 | rebel_kid | nano? |
| 04:37.11 | akio | its easier for beginners |
| 04:37.12 | cilkay | No one should be using ftp today. |
| 04:37.29 | ameyer | cilkay: I wouldn't say that |
| 04:37.30 | cilkay | If you're going to do this, for goodness sake, do it over ssh at least. |
| 04:37.42 | akio | and it is also installed on virtually every nix box |
| 04:37.45 | ameyer | anonymous ftp isn't the end of the world |
| 04:38.06 | cilkay | I don't install ftp servers on our boxes. |
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| 04:38.12 | akio | what's wrong with ftp? |
| 04:38.17 | rebel_kid | its not annoymous ftp, why would i use remote shell when i am standing next to the box, and i will install secure ftp someday |
| 04:38.20 | cilkay | see above |
| 04:38.33 | akio | vsftp over a tunnel and jailed is secure enough for anyone |
| 04:38.43 | ameyer | akio: plaintext |
| 04:38.52 | rebel_kid | for a piece of crap dev server insecure passwords is fine |
| 04:38.57 | rebel_kid | get hacked i just turn it off |
| 04:38.57 | ameyer | the tunnel would tend to mitigate that, though |
| 04:39.00 | akio | anon though? |
| 04:39.14 | rebel_kid | ok now that i started a new doc :q isnt working |
| 04:39.18 | cilkay | rebel_kid: So why not run Windows then? |
| 04:39.29 | rebel_kid | because windows sucks |
| 04:39.38 | standarshy | Hey room, I'm running ubuntu and I'm having a problem when running trying to update using the update manager. The error I posted at http://paste2.org/p/83712 |
| 04:39.45 | akio | cilkay: thats not the warm welcome i got |
| 04:39.52 | rebel_kid | and cant do half of what i want it to do, at least not anywhere near as easily |
| 04:40.00 | rebel_kid | plus i have a political problem with microsoft |
| 04:40.09 | rebel_kid | now how do i get out of this txt editor |
| 04:40.10 | shad0w1e | how do i remove something from apt's knowledge of it being installed? |
| 04:40.21 | shad0w1e | i just want to trick apt into thinking its not installed |
| 04:40.32 | akio | rebel_kid: with time you will realise you don't know what you want, and linux will show you things you never knew to want |
| 04:40.55 | rebel_kid | akio, i already know linux is much better, and can do more than i ever dreamed |
| 04:40.58 | akio | and use nano instead |
| 04:41.05 | rebel_kid | but atm, i just wanna get a development server working |
| 04:41.13 | rebel_kid | and i would like to exit vim without rebooting :( |
| 04:41.17 | akio | its not better, its different |
| 04:41.25 | akio | and better at what? |
| 04:41.38 | akio | better at not breaking? sure |
| 04:41.40 | shad0w1e | hah, if youre having trouble with vi, get a load of emacs! |
| 04:41.42 | akio | debian anyway |
| 04:41.53 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 04:42.03 | rebel_kid | linux is definately better at not breaking |
| 04:42.04 | ameyer | akio: unless you're talking about OpenSSL... |
| 04:42.16 | akio | why what's wrong with that? |
| 04:42.17 | rebel_kid | and its open source and free instead of jailed and proprietary |
| 04:42.35 | akio | and have you not moved on? ftp is for 1 day jobs anyway |
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| 04:43.03 | cilkay | rebel_kid: Not if you don't understand the security implications of what you're doing and take a cavalier attitude of "Who cares? It's a development box." |
| 04:43.15 | cilkay | Anyway, good luck. |
| 04:43.35 | ameyer | akio: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 04:43.45 | akio | i thought that was taken care of |
| 04:43.52 | rebel_kid | cilkay, i plan to implement security soon, but at the moment it is a dev box in my house on a home network, it doesnt even have the proper setup |
| 04:43.55 | ameyer | yes it is |
| 04:43.58 | ameyer | it's a lame joke |
| 04:44.09 | rebel_kid | ... to be accessed from anything but its host machine |
| 04:44.09 | ameyer | at this point |
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| 04:45.17 | akio | those problems don't exist anymore, the offending material has been replaced |
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| 04:45.55 | cilkay | Famous last words... "I plan to implement security soon" :) |
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| 04:46.41 | rebel_kid | cilkay, who cares about a stupid tiny development box? besides i havent even set up networking to allow communication with anything except the host machine |
| 04:46.58 | rebel_kid | so if you wanna hack it you will have to come into my house and get on a physical machine |
| 04:47.00 | cilkay | rebel_kid: Do whatever you like since you know better. |
| 04:47.07 | rebel_kid | ugh |
| 04:47.25 | cilkay | What you do now is what you'll always do. |
| 04:47.55 | rebel_kid | i would never have an insecure box with access to the net, im playing and experimenting and learning right now |
| 04:48.05 | cilkay | Security isn't an afterthought or something you do at the end of the process. |
| 04:48.07 | rebel_kid | which is why i havent given it access to the net |
| 04:48.24 | rebel_kid | cilkay i have never done anything like this before, one step at a time |
| 04:48.32 | cilkay | Sure, and that's good. |
| 04:48.32 | rebel_kid | i intentionaly cut off its connection to the net |
| 04:48.44 | rebel_kid | so that i couldnt do anything stupid |
| 04:49.01 | cilkay | Just try to avoid editing stuff across ftp. |
| 04:49.06 | cilkay | It's a bad habit to get into. |
| 04:50.12 | rebel_kid | the script i would edit is a bot, and i prefer a gui txt editor, its not anything sensitive |
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| 04:55.14 | cilkay | How do packages get replaced in an apt-cacher package cache as one upgrades? |
| 04:55.22 | cilkay | I suspect the answer is "they don't". |
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| 04:56.53 | blairsooley | Does Windows Home Server accept backups from Debian Linux? |
| 04:58.02 | cilkay | Aha! The clean_cache directive apparently will flush obsolete versions of packages daily. |
| 04:58.13 | wols_ | cilkay: they don't need to. the filename/version of the upgraded packagea is different |
| 04:58.21 | blairsooley | Nevermind |
| 04:58.30 | cilkay | wols_: Which is exactly why they would need to be flushed. |
| 04:58.50 | prolix | i better stop or i'll be up all night |
| 04:59.22 | cilkay | If foo2.deb replaced foo1.deb, if there was no mechanism for flushing obsolete packages from the cache, both would stay in the cache. |
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| 05:05.24 | {`} | heh |
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| 05:06.34 | Supaplex | #debian, now with a spare pair of {`} cheeks. |
| 05:06.57 | {`} | i see the tab complete works now |
| 05:07.03 | {`} | thank you |
| 05:07.28 | Supaplex | I suppose it worked in the first place.... |
| 05:07.35 | {`} | right on |
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| 05:10.00 | {`} | :) |
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| 05:10.42 | {`} | "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -Samuel Johnson |
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| 05:15.43 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps igot a question... |
| 05:16.34 | bbelt16ag | i was wondering how would i check to see which 'driver' i was using for my keyboard ? see it works in sabayon 3.5 and not in testing or stable debian , |
| 05:16.44 | bbelt16ag | and its ticking me off... |
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| 05:19.10 | bbelt16ag | would it be in the HAL? |
| 05:19.39 | EmleyMoor | I'm seeking some help with schroot - mount-defaults specified filesystems are not mounting in the schroot but are enabled, as http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 show - can anyone advise me on what to try next? |
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| 05:24.20 | Supaplex | EmleyMoor: what do you want to eventually run in the schroot env? |
| 05:25.26 | Supaplex | I'm thinking you might like vserver, but I'm not sure why schroot isn't working as you desire |
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| 05:26.18 | EmleyMoor | Supaplex: iceweasel, realplayer, sun-java, sometimes mplayer |
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| 05:26.22 | n-iCe | any idea trying to access via ssh: stdin: is not a tty |
| 05:26.41 | EmleyMoor | vserver? |
| 05:26.44 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 05:26.50 | dryrot | aptitude remove portmap just hangs here, what can i do ?: http://pastebin.com/maec9c48 |
| 05:26.55 | Supaplex | !vserver |
| 05:26.55 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 05:27.11 | n-iCe | EmleyMoor: was that for me? |
| 05:27.21 | EmleyMoor | n-iCe: No |
| 05:27.24 | n-iCe | oks |
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| 05:27.51 | EmleyMoor | schroot was yesterday's advice, and if I can get it to work, it is just what I need |
| 05:27.57 | Supaplex | n-iCe: are you trying to do something from a cron job? |
| 05:27.58 | {`} | bbelt16ag: console-data? |
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| 05:28.55 | n-iCe | Supaplex: from a what :p ? |
| 05:29.04 | EmleyMoor | schroot definitely looks more the thing than vserver |
| 05:29.24 | Supaplex | humm I think you could setup a vserver guest with one runtime context (for ia32 apps) and still use the host filesystem/networking (w/o abstraction). |
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| 05:29.44 | n-iCe | Supaplex: I ? |
| 05:29.45 | Supaplex | n-iCe: how are you using ssh to produce that message? |
| 05:29.47 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 05:29.55 | Supaplex | EmleyMoor: humm I think you could setup a vserver guest with one runtime context (for ia32 apps) and still use the host filesystem/networking (w/o abstraction). |
| 05:30.06 | EmleyMoor | vserver looks like the proverbial sledgehammer to crack a nut to me |
| 05:30.07 | n-iCe | aah, Supaplex well, every user trying to join get that message, ssh port host , pass you know |
| 05:30.46 | Supaplex | EmleyMoor: I'm blind leading the blind with schroot. sorry :) |
| 05:31.04 | {`} | dryrot: why do you want to remove portmap? |
| 05:31.17 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 05:31.48 | dryrot | {`}: aptitude upgrade wants to. i do not know why |
| 05:31.56 | n-iCe | Supaplex: ? |
| 05:31.57 | bbelt16ag | its freaky its like it wouldnt map the right keys to the OS my up key wouldn work nor would my delete but the work fine on sabayon |
| 05:31.59 | caranthir | auto-apt worked so well for me and now it quit working sh: line 1: 23268 Segmentation fault sudo apt-get -y install libsdl1.2-dev |
| 05:31.59 | caranthir | Failed [Z - exec shell to fix this situation] |
| 05:31.59 | {`} | oh |
| 05:32.06 | dryrot | {`}: you know you have the most annoying nick in this channel right |
| 05:32.08 | Supaplex | n-iCe: I don't know |
| 05:32.18 | {`} | shrugs |
| 05:32.37 | EmleyMoor | If I see the person who gave me the initial steer on schroot, it might help |
| 05:33.04 | {`} | dryrot: do i win a prize? |
| 05:33.15 | {`} | rubs hands together greedily |
| 05:33.16 | n-iCe | any idea trying to access via ssh: stdin: is not a tty |
| 05:33.17 | dryrot | {`}: yes. you will never get laid again. have fun. |
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| 05:33.48 | {`} | dryrot: so i miss out on all the hot, hairy man ass out in #debian? |
| 05:33.51 | anddam | hello |
| 05:33.54 | Supaplex | EmleyMoor: according to /lastlog, dondelelcaro said: 23:37 < dondelelcaro> EmleyMoor: schroot deals with this all for you, too. |
| 05:33.54 | {`} | snaps disappointingly |
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| 05:34.17 | dryrot | i saw some 'cindy magnolis uses debian' ad |
| 05:34.29 | Supaplex | !nickometer {`} |
| 05:34.30 | dpkg | '{`}' is 76.000% lame, supaplex |
| 05:34.35 | {`} | yay! |
| 05:34.42 | {`} | it's on the decline |
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| 05:34.47 | EmleyMoor | Supaplex: Indeed he did - but it seems something is going wrong in my case |
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| 05:34.57 | bbelt16ag | ok peeps how would i change the kbd keymap ? |
| 05:35.00 | bbelt16ag | in debioan |
| 05:35.23 | EmleyMoor | n-iCe: What is the exact ssh command that is giving you that message? |
| 05:35.25 | anddam | bbelt16ag: where ? |
| 05:36.35 | Supaplex | n-iCe: did you modify /etc/environment or .bashrc or the likes? |
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| 05:36.53 | n-iCe | EmleyMoor: well that's not a exactly command, every user trying to join gets that message, using putty or whatever |
| 05:37.30 | EmleyMoor | n-iCe: OK - something in a script they are running is causing that to appear |
| 05:37.55 | n-iCe | Supaplex: nothing that I know |
| 05:38.05 | n-iCe | EmleyMoor: what could be? |
| 05:38.19 | {`} | !l33tometer Supaplex |
| 05:38.20 | dpkg | 'Supaplex' is 44% 31337! |
| 05:38.25 | n-iCe | if I try from my linux machine in a terminal I use, ssh -p port host , then pass |
| 05:38.25 | Supaplex | n-iCe: how long have you experienced that message? |
| 05:38.26 | {`} | fail |
| 05:38.41 | n-iCe | Supaplex: well, if I reboot all the server get's fixed for some horus |
| 05:38.43 | n-iCe | hours |
| 05:38.54 | Supaplex | {`}: that's nice. /ignore {`} all |
| 05:39.06 | {`} | a rallying cry? |
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| 05:39.52 | Supaplex | n-iCe: and not just /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? |
| 05:39.58 | {`} | i don't see what's wrong with my handle |
| 05:40.49 | n-iCe | no Supaplex that didn't work |
| 05:41.04 | Supaplex | n-iCe: how many users are logged in right now? |
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| 05:41.12 | n-iCe | Supaplex: 4 |
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| 05:43.27 | xbj9000 | disabling udev worked around my issue, but I'm wondering what problems that can cause |
| 05:44.09 | Supaplex | n-iCe: try ssh -vv to see more information. |
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| 05:46.00 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: any idea? |
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| 05:47.09 | xbj9000 | supaplex said: n-iCe: try ssh -vv to see more information. |
| 05:47.32 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: not really. maybe you can strace -fFo /root/sshlog sh /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 05:48.07 | Supaplex | yeah, ssh -vv from the client might give you some ideas. strace could pull out sshd side issues. (it'll be a very verbose log) |
| 05:48.10 | n-iCe_ | strace -fFo /root/sshlog sh /etc/init.d/ssh restart is a command? |
| 05:48.16 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:48.29 | n-iCe_ | I will try it |
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| 05:52.01 | cilkay | n-iCe: You should have a shell open on that machine for a while to see what's going on. |
| 05:52.21 | cilkay | You could crank up the logging level on sshd for a while. |
| 05:52.49 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: how |
| 05:53.26 | {`} | i get it now |
| 05:54.14 | cilkay | n-iCe: Here's a plan. Get a root shell and stay logged in. Crank up the logging level in /etc/ssh/ssdh_config and restart sshd. When someone reports the problem, attempt to reproduce the problem while monitoring the log. |
| 05:54.29 | EmleyMoor | recovers some more stuff from his old hard disk |
| 05:55.05 | n-iCe_ | what do you mean with |
| 05:55.06 | n-iCe_ | Crank up the logging level in /etc/ssh/ssdh_config |
| 05:56.02 | cilkay | n-iCe: man sshd_config, search for LogLevel |
| 05:56.09 | anddam | I'm having an autoconf problem http://codepad.org/VI0R2PvB can anyone give a hint? |
| 05:56.34 | cilkay | n-iCe: If you didn't understand what I just wrote above, the chances of you solving this problem are slim. |
| 05:57.04 | cilkay | n-iCe: Is it something that happens only to specific users or all users? |
| 05:57.05 | anddam | first error seems to be related only to autoconf, then there is that "please add file" and I added all file but isc-posix.m4 that I wasn't able to find |
| 05:57.20 | xbj9000 | can I just configure udev to skip video/pci stuff without disabling udev? |
| 05:59.00 | jon_ | why is it important to not create those? |
| 06:00.05 | xbj9000 | I can't get the system to boot without panic if I want to use my PCI video card, unless I disable udev |
| 06:01.44 | anddam | my main issue is this http://codepad.org/vVjvKZUr |
| 06:01.50 | jon_ | cilkay (1) making assumptions about what a person knows and doesn't know is annoying... (2) you never know, he might be the one to come up with something if you just give him some more info |
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| 06:02.29 | jon_ | how do you know he didn't work thru the same problem 10 mins ago? |
| 06:02.40 | {`} | anddam: what are you trying to build? |
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| 06:03.33 | jon_ | xbj9000: so then the question becomes "what is udev doing that is causing the panic |
| 06:03.47 | anddam | {`}: Transmission, the bittorrent client |
| 06:03.48 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: all |
| 06:03.59 | {`} | anddam: oh. sounds neat |
| 06:04.25 | anddam | {`}: I've read their forum, apparently there's a problem with intltool > 0.40 and that's the case as I'm on lenny, but I couldn't find any solutions |
| 06:04.34 | cilkay | n-iCe_: Do you lose your shell when this problem occurs? |
| 06:04.46 | craigevil | anddam: why not just grab the version from sid |
| 06:05.01 | {`} | anddam: yeah, this problem is way over my head. there are some smarter people in here who may be able to assist you, but, unfortunately, i can't |
| 06:05.12 | xbj9000 | jon_ I get this and then the screen pukes |
| 06:05.16 | xbj9000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.20 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: no I am in :D as root |
| 06:05.30 | anddam | craigevil: I was told to try svn as part of the code was rewritten to workaround a bug in limiting speed |
| 06:05.51 | anddam | craigevil: and, not sure why, I somehow associate sid with evil |
| 06:06.16 | jon_ | xbj9000: you'll have to do it a few more times to get the real reason... one thing that can suggest what's going on is to see the five or so successful things that happen just before the panic |
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| 06:06.24 | anddam | craigevil: this apart I'd like to understand if I have a problem with autotools or not |
| 06:06.24 | EmleyMoor | I backport or otherwise use the occasional sid thing when needed |
| 06:06.36 | craigevil | at this point testing and sid are close, when testing freezes not much moves into sid |
| 06:06.55 | xbj9000 | jon_ the panic occurs at the 'populating /dev...' step |
| 06:06.58 | jon_ | isn't testing frozen? |
| 06:07.01 | cilkay | n-iCe_: Well, that's something. You can monitor what's going on as long as you remain logged in. |
| 06:07.29 | craigevil | jon_: yes |
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| 06:08.05 | simonrvn | !lenny status |
| 06:08.05 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 06:08.11 | anddam | craigevil: sid is 1.33, there's a tarball of 1.34 and I was told to try the svn as the code is newer |
| 06:08.28 | anddam | craigevil: I think there would be not much point in using sid's |
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| 06:08.49 | EmleyMoor | I'm not running etch on any of my systems now - lenny is good enough for most, sometimes with a little bit from sid |
| 06:09.12 | jon_ | xbj9000: so now you can debug it by telling it not to do about half of what it's doing.... then, if you get the panic in the -same place-, then you know the problem occurs in the half that's enabled.... so split that one in half... otherwise, it's in the half that's not being done yet, so split -that- one in half |
| 06:09.39 | jon_ | so you're doing a binary search for the problem |
| 06:09.54 | craigevil | EmleyMoor: i have ran only Sid on my 2 desktops since before Sarge was released and Lenny on my Eee |
| 06:10.22 | xbj9000 | jon_ what file should I look in? |
| 06:10.36 | jon_ | craigevil: those "sids" have nothing to do with the current sid :) |
| 06:10.37 | anddam | any hint to address that autoconf error? |
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| 06:10.53 | jon_ | but I think you know that |
| 06:10.53 | {`} | would it be dangerous to build against intltool 0.35 instead of 0.40? |
| 06:11.06 | anddam | {`}: me? |
| 06:11.10 | craigevil | jon_: it does when you do apt-get dist-upgrade daily |
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| 06:11.30 | {`} | anddam: sure |
| 06:11.47 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: still here? |
| 06:11.48 | jon_ | well then you have the most uptodate.... but still, those earlier sids are gone and irrelevent |
| 06:11.49 | anddam | craigevil: is dist-upgrade useful as long as there is not a new release? |
| 06:12.03 | cilkay | n-iCe_: yes |
| 06:12.22 | anddam | {`}: I don't think that'd be dangerous, how do I install a previous version of a package? |
| 06:12.40 | jon_ | xbj9000: look into the details of udev, get to know a little about how it does what it does, and find out what its config files are |
| 06:13.15 | jon_ | anddam: you'd have to get that package first |
| 06:13.31 | anddam | jon_: the deb package for 0.35? |
| 06:13.35 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: I got the -vv output, somehow it got me disconnected from root :< |
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| 06:13.45 | coolpro | hey |
| 06:13.52 | jon_ | right, or get the source and build it |
| 06:13.56 | anddam | jon_: and then dpkg -i right? |
| 06:14.03 | jon_ | yeah |
| 06:14.07 | jon_ | exactly |
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| 06:14.20 | coolpro | anybody could help me to test the blog? |
| 06:14.21 | jon_ | the question is, can you find that version? |
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| 06:14.40 | anddam | mm etch is 0.35.0 |
| 06:14.59 | jon_ | so you could forward-port it |
| 06:15.03 | jon_ | or try to |
| 06:15.05 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: http://rafb.net/p/aqlkEr18.html |
| 06:15.11 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/aqlkEr18.html |
| 06:15.15 | coolpro | hey everybody |
| 06:15.28 | anddam | jon_: I'd rather just install the package |
| 06:15.53 | jon_ | I would too, assuming it is available and it works with the libs I have |
| 06:16.06 | cilkay | http://rafb.net/p/aqlkEr18.html is taking forever to load. Still not loaded yet. |
| 06:16.13 | jon_ | if it doesn't, maybe I would have to build the package from the debianized sources |
| 06:16.15 | cilkay | finally |
| 06:16.18 | n-iCe_ | works fine here |
| 06:16.23 | jon_ | and then install the resulting package |
| 06:16.40 | anddam | jon_: what about packages that depends on intltool 0.40? will apt let me "disable" it ? |
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| 06:16.53 | cilkay | n-iCe_: remote root logins are a bad idea. You should disable that in sshd_config after you fix this problem. |
| 06:16.54 | anddam | jon_: by it I mean intltool |
| 06:17.24 | jon_ | if that's the etch version and it's got compiled executables, maybe you have to build |
| 06:17.36 | l337ingDisorder | looking for a good slideshow screensaver that just randomly displays images from a local directory (though I'd also like to have this local directory sync up with a webdir periodically but that's the next phase) |
| 06:17.42 | jon_ | to make sure it uses the libs in your dist |
| 06:17.46 | l337ingDisorder | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 06:18.06 | anddam | jon_: any guide to build the package? that would be a forward port, wouldn't it? |
| 06:18.11 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: ok |
| 06:18.15 | jon_ | yes |
| 06:18.24 | jon_ | try just dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:18.31 | jon_ | and see if it works |
| 06:18.38 | cilkay | n-iCe_: That tells me nothing you haven't already told us in the channel already. It would be interesting to see what's happening on the server side when you get this error. |
| 06:19.04 | jon_ | if not, then more complex things would have to happen, like you have to actually look at the build scripts or (worse) the source |
| 06:19.50 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: ok, let me reboot the whole machine, after that, what should I log? |
| 06:20.08 | jon_ | the build script that's most likely the thing you'd have to look at, is debian/rules and possibly Makefile |
| 06:20.24 | {`} | intltool depends on gettext and perl |
| 06:20.37 | jon_ | versioned?> |
| 06:20.50 | jon_ | that shouldn't be bad at all |
| 06:21.07 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: server side as in the strace I suggested. it's best to isolate the problem live. not wait for it again. |
| 06:21.40 | jon_ | even if it's got perl modules that need compiling, as long as perl is still at 5 you should be fine |
| 06:21.54 | n-iCe_ | I joined to the root ssh!! other logins doesn't work, what to do nnow |
| 06:22.31 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: strace -fFo /root/sshlog sh /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 06:22.31 | n-iCe_ | sh: /etc/init.d/ssh: No such file or directory |
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| 06:23.07 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: what distro and release is this? |
| 06:23.12 | cilkay | sshd |
| 06:23.17 | n-iCe_ | yes, sshd |
| 06:23.43 | cilkay | It's ssh on Debian. |
| 06:23.43 | jon_ | n-iCe_: check the output of ls /etc/init.d/*ssh* |
| 06:24.01 | cilkay | sshd on Red Hat and variants |
| 06:25.06 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: how can I monitor what happens when a user tries to join |
| 06:25.18 | cilkay | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 06:25.22 | jon_ | watch auth.log? |
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| 06:25.50 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: are you using debian? ubuntu? etch? lenny? sid? testing? unstable? something else? openwrt? suse? |
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| 06:25.51 | cilkay | That'll just tell you logins and logouts. It won't tell you what sshd is up to. |
| 06:26.05 | jon_ | then daemon.log? |
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| 06:26.22 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5.028stab053.14PAE #1 SMP Thu May 8 21:09:32 MSD 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 06:26.37 | Supaplex | cilkay: that doesn't address what's casuing the tty allocation failures. strace will be able to illustrate what system calls are attempted prior to the fault |
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| 06:26.45 | acu | I want to capture audio and video from my webcam - I am able to use ffmpeg to capture video but I do not know how to capture audio - can anyone help ? |
| 06:27.01 | anddam | jon_: last question can I use dpkg-buildpackage with a common tarball or do I have to use a deb source file? |
| 06:27.04 | cilkay | Supaplex: true |
| 06:27.18 | jon_ | has to be debianized |
| 06:27.19 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: that doesn't look like a standard debian kernel. ls /etc/init.d/*ssh* what's there? |
| 06:27.25 | cilkay | n-iCe_: Is this a virtual machine? |
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| 06:27.35 | coolpro | hey |
| 06:27.36 | jon_ | if the version you want is in etch, then it's trivial to get the source |
| 06:27.42 | geek | i'd like to set up a FTP server for use in uploading things. can anyone point me to a howto on how to? |
| 06:27.47 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: yes |
| 06:27.49 | knobo | When I ask for the kernel source for linux-2.6.26-1, I get the source for linux-2.6.26-5! Why, and does it matter? |
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| 06:28.05 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: /etc/init.d/sshd* |
| 06:28.13 | knobo | Is it a bug or feature? |
| 06:28.14 | cilkay | n-iCe_: *that* was a wild goose chase! |
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| 06:28.43 | Hyperi | knobo: bug = unintented feature :P |
| 06:28.46 | cilkay | n-iCe_: What type of virtual machine? Who control the bare metal? |
| 06:28.58 | jon_ | pipegeek: (1) just pick an ftpd (maybe proftpd), install that, and you're done... (2) there are intrinsic security issues with ftp protocol, you should find out what those are |
| 06:29.17 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: dpkg -l cron | grep cron |
| 06:29.28 | acu | geek there is proftpd and there is a graphic inteface gadmin-proftpd that should we prety easy - you have to activate the server and add users |
| 06:29.31 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: -bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 06:29.40 | n-iCe_ | cilkay: is mine i do |
| 06:29.44 | iamwoody | hey guys! i need a scanner for system security, who can give me an advice |
| 06:29.46 | bunnyto | . |
| 06:29.47 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: you should carry on in ##linux |
| 06:29.56 | faileas | acu: the server will be used ONLY locally and the box is Xless and headless |
| 06:30.00 | n-iCe_ | Supaplex: I did, nothing, :> |
| 06:30.01 | jon_ | n-iCe_: in that case you're not runnign debian at all on that machine |
| 06:30.17 | faileas | unless i can run the front end on another box |
| 06:30.45 | Supaplex | n-iCe_: I don't see you there. highlight me in there. |
| 06:31.10 | iamwoody | i need a scanner |
| 06:31.15 | acu | faileas: then you geeks should be able to help the geek :) |
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| 06:31.31 | jon_ | you breed a scammer?? |
| 06:31.42 | iamwoody | scanner |
| 06:31.46 | jon_ | oh :) |
| 06:32.00 | bunnyto | are you calling #Debian channel geeks? !!!! |
| 06:32.05 | faileas | acu: lol, tryin to work out a way to back up my dad's office systems semi regularly actually. |
| 06:32.10 | bunnyto | thats a flagrant insult |
| 06:32.17 | {`} | rsync? |
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| 06:32.40 | jon_ | bunnyto: no, it isn't... in fact it's par for the course |
| 06:33.09 | faileas | well, they are windows boxes and i want to be able to restore from bare metal. most likely gonna use g4l and a debian box as the ftp backup server |
| 06:33.33 | bunnyto | jon_: geek is a term used to describe people like Ubuntu users... rather than genies like debian |
| 06:33.47 | simonrvn_ | geek isn't an insult... nerd is. |
| 06:33.52 | jon_ | so you want to change the meaning of the word? :) |
| 06:33.56 | faileas | bunnyto: erm.. now now ;p |
| 06:33.58 | acu | faileas: I have pretty primitive methods _ because of my little baby brain - I use vnc and gui :) |
| 06:34.03 | faileas | uses kubuntu on my laptop ;p |
| 06:34.15 | Hyperi | bunnyto: genies as genitalies? oO Or geniuses? :P |
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| 06:34.29 | {`} | genies as in grant three wishes? |
| 06:34.42 | simonrvn_ | shrugs |
| 06:34.45 | jon_ | a genie is what's used to turn off the light when I clap twice... |
| 06:34.46 | faileas | acu: well its a spare box i use for other stuff. its worked pretty well. If i get a proper server, i'll swap it over to a media center box (silent piii 450 ;p) |
| 06:34.56 | cilkay | faileas: Two issues: business continuity in the event of theft, fire, flood, etc. and disaster recovery from hardware/software failures or human error. For that, I use two different methods. #1, I use Amazon S3. #2, I use rsync to disk. |
| 06:35.16 | bunnyto | kubuntu? aint that burned a lot of hardware lately? |
| 06:35.37 | {`} | genitalies? |
| 06:35.41 | acu | faileas: for backup mondo rescue kicks ass :) |
| 06:35.48 | cilkay | faileas: And you can do automated installations too. |
| 06:35.50 | faileas | cilkay: zero budget, miracles expected, might need to do bare system restoration to an identical system |
| 06:36.02 | jon_ | bunnyto: it's ok :) you're among friends... |
| 06:36.11 | cilkay | faileas: Amazon S3 is dirt cheap... 15cents/GB/mo. |
| 06:36.13 | faileas | bunnyto: with the alpha, yeah. |
| 06:36.35 | acu | but of course this geek guys know too much so they are going to guide more intelligently towards desperation :) |
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| 06:36.58 | faileas | cilkay: let me put it this way. the box i'm using for this is about 8 years old. newer hard drives. if i want a PROPER server, i'll probably need to buy one myself |
| 06:37.03 | acu | faileas: mondorescu backs up everything trough the network and you can rescue from barebone |
| 06:37.10 | acu | mondo rescue |
| 06:37.15 | faileas | acu: nice. does it do windows? ;p |
| 06:37.21 | faileas | and i'd still need a FTP server |
| 06:37.35 | cilkay | faileas: All the more reason to use Amazon S3 then. You treat Amazon like giant disk on the cloud. |
| 06:37.42 | jon_ | ftp server, remember, security issues if it |
| 06:37.57 | jon_ | is not used only for anon access |
| 06:37.59 | cilkay | faileas: Why do need an ftp server? |
| 06:38.01 | bunnyto | I think being called "geek" is offensive |
| 06:38.21 | acu | I have no idea if it does windows - I know it is one of the most pro open source tool for backup http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 06:38.23 | jon_ | bunnyto: the only way to offend you is by your permission |
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| 06:38.35 | simonrvn_ | ok, looks like bunnyto needs deprogramming ;p |
| 06:38.47 | beardy | bunnyto: Then you aren't one, so don't worry. |
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| 06:38.50 | jon_ | I'm on it :) |
| 06:38.52 | {`} | applauds |
| 06:39.22 | {`} | ugh |
| 06:39.40 | faileas | cilkay: well the current plan is to use my existing box as a central backup server. if i need more space probably set it up as a vm on my windows box (which has a bigger hard drive). Then every month or so, get boxes to be backed up overnight to the server |
| 06:40.31 | faileas | of course, i'd rather not need to worry about a USB disk, so i'd rather do everything over FTP. as a bonus i can upload files to that box directly, which would make my opentape install easier to work with |
| 06:40.32 | cilkay | faileas: Sounds like a Rube Goldberg contraption. |
| 06:40.41 | bunnyto | altho some geeks has some hopes http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/04/29/from-geek-to-freak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/ |
| 06:40.41 | faileas | cilkay: i'm bored ;) |
| 06:41.09 | faileas | though i'd accept an easier way to do this, as long as its free (costwise) |
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| 06:41.19 | jon_ | bunnyto: so is it more choice with women you really want? |
| 06:41.40 | cilkay | apt-cacher is painfully slow |
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| 06:41.58 | {`} | openssh+putty+rsync=free |
| 06:42.18 | alphanet | hello, instead of using block-device replication (netbd, DDRB), what about using FAM to do a file by file list of changes, then transferring them with rsync ? any input? |
| 06:43.05 | cilkay | is interested in playing with AFS |
| 06:43.12 | beardy | alphanet: Rsync does that.. by itself. |
| 06:43.19 | beardy | !wayttd alphanet |
| 06:43.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, alphanet? |
| 06:43.28 | anddam | bunnyto: look at photos, he became way shorter... |
| 06:43.34 | bunnyto | wants to buy a laptop to install debian |
| 06:43.50 | anddam | he's like a Dwarf of Moria now |
| 06:43.59 | bunnyto | lawl |
| 06:44.40 | jon_ | bunnyto: because if you do, that's easy (but you have to get past certain hardwired fears) |
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| 06:45.57 | bunnyto | just I dont understand.. Drunk = I can code 10k lines day, when im sober = I only code 1k lines :( |
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| 06:46.34 | cilkay | I'm reminded of the "infinite monkeys on typewriters" meme. |
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| 06:46.43 | alphanet | beardy: rsync needs to read the list of files. When you have one million files and one changes, it will be very slow, thus the idea to optimize by knowing what files has changed with fam |
| 06:46.46 | jon_ | so either the fear is so high you don't even want to talk about it, or you have no interest |
| 06:46.56 | bbelt16ag | you guys were right it's the keyboard layout that's the problem |
| 06:47.09 | faileas | bunnyto: you could use pretty much anything ;p |
| 06:47.11 | simonrvn | and how do you expect rsync to get fam's data? |
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| 06:47.28 | bbelt16ag | so now all I need to do is figure out why my X windows system keeps losing its connections to my mouse and keyboard. |
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| 06:48.11 | ehamberg | do anyone else have troubles updating php5 today? http://debian.pastebin.com/m171a7b82 |
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| 06:48.29 | coolpro | hey |
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| 06:50.32 | Pablo_ | hey how come when i want to start up gnome im getting this error? waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
| 06:50.32 | Pablo_ | refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 06:50.41 | coolpro | hey |
| 06:50.45 | alphanet | beardy: I found something interesting: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml |
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| 06:50.59 | bbelt16ag | bah |
| 06:51.06 | Pablo_ | any ideas why im getting this error? |
| 06:51.07 | bbelt16ag | there isn't a package for the gkrellm themes? |
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| 06:51.10 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 06:51.15 | jon_ | coolpro: so no, I'm not interested in clicking on a random web link... but, if you run debian and if you are asking about something installed from a debian package, you could break it down for someone here, that is, you want to actually provide specific information about your situation and go into details about your problem (including history) |
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| 06:52.47 | coolpro | I want to check if debian users can use my blog audio comments :) |
| 06:52.54 | coolpro | www.upsy.lt/apie_mane |
| 06:52.54 | bunnyto | kiss to abrotman |
| 06:53.21 | jon_ | coolpro: is that machine actually running debian? |
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| 06:54.09 | jon_ | coolpro: easy. install debian and try it |
| 06:54.12 | Supaplex | it was until his 28k modem of a website blew up |
| 06:54.27 | Pablo_ | hey how come when i want to start up gnome im getting this error? waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
| 06:54.34 | noborusa | hi guys, does anyone know if my current etch support the mod_limitipconn in iptables ? |
| 06:54.38 | Pablo_ | refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 06:54.50 | noborusa | or anything else that does the same job in etch ? |
| 06:54.57 | simonrvn | not an error |
| 06:55.06 | simonrvn | !errors |
| 06:55.06 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 06:55.21 | simonrvn | bah, sorry |
| 06:55.30 | fietsbel | hej guys, anyone here know if there's a package for lame in debian? |
| 06:55.47 | simonrvn | !warnings |
| 06:55.47 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 06:56.27 | coolpro | Easier someone check it than i install Debian. |
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| 06:57.03 | simonrvn | you'd get more hits |
| 06:57.09 | karsten | fietsbel: Yes. /msg dpkg search |
| 06:57.31 | jon_ | coolpro: ok, ok, cool... talk to you later, I gotta feed my venus flytrap |
| 06:57.35 | karsten | fietsbel: ... or aptitude search lame. |
| 06:57.38 | stew | fietsbel: there aren't mp3 encoders in debian becuase they are protected by patent |
| 06:57.54 | karsten | fietsbel: Perhaps debian-multimedia.... |
| 06:58.02 | fietsbel | ok stew, so I need to compile it from source then |
| 06:58.02 | karsten | !tell fietsbel about marillat |
| 06:58.10 | karsten | fietsbel: Not necessarially. |
| 06:58.18 | stew | fietsbel: no, there are unoficial repositories that provide it |
| 06:58.47 | karsten | fietsbel: yeah, I've got it from the marillat repo. That's not an official repository, see what dpkg told you or should have... |
| 06:59.12 | fietsbel | !tell fietsbel about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 06:59.51 | tralala | fietsbel, /msg dpkg selftell |
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| 07:03.27 | fietsbel | hm, karsten can't get the multimedia key to work for some reason |
| 07:03.31 | fietsbel | did exactly as dpkg told me |
| 07:03.43 | fietsbel | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 07:04.16 | jon_ | so you need to get that key and add it to apt's apt-key thing |
| 07:04.27 | fietsbel | yes that's what I did |
| 07:04.36 | craigevil | apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 07:04.53 | fietsbel | allread on there craigevil |
| 07:05.57 | jon_ | see if you have the key then |
| 07:06.41 | fietsbel | ok, I solved it |
| 07:06.52 | jon_ | how? |
| 07:07.01 | fietsbel | had to do a apt-key add and then addd the keyring |
| 07:07.09 | fietsbel | but that ain't in the solution dpkg is telling |
| 07:07.16 | fietsbel | so that's messed up, someone need to put that in there |
| 07:07.31 | jon_ | oh, ok... so then you have to do a apt-get update |
| 07:07.45 | fietsbel | after you add the keyring you can do a apt-get update |
| 07:07.48 | jon_ | then after that you're good for that repo |
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| 07:08.10 | fietsbel | well, only if you add the key manually by doing apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-multimedia-keyring.gpg |
| 07:08.25 | prolix | huh |
| 07:08.43 | jon_ | but you just said you did that... |
| 07:08.52 | jon_ | did you apt-get update after that? |
| 07:09.53 | fietsbel | this is what dpkg tells to do: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 07:10.06 | Pablo_ | hey how do i installed the misc fonts? |
| 07:10.27 | fietsbel | maybe it's because I used apt-get intsall debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 07:10.30 | fietsbel | instead of aptitude |
| 07:10.40 | Pablo_ | !misc |
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| 07:10.48 | Pablo_ | ~misc |
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| 07:12.20 | prolix | !i love you |
| 07:12.20 | dpkg | I love you too, prolix. |
| 07:12.39 | jon_ | aww... he found someone... |
| 07:13.57 | prolix | jon_: don't be jealous, i'm sure dpkg loves you, too |
| 07:15.10 | jon_ | yeah, I was dating dpkg last week... hope that's ok :) |
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| 07:16.48 | noborusa | when will debian release newer kernel which contains ipconnlimit ? |
| 07:17.17 | jon_ | build it yourself or use a package which works |
| 07:17.51 | xbj9000 | jon_ I solved my problem |
| 07:18.00 | jon_ | yay! what did you do? |
| 07:18.13 | xbj9000 | udev was loading the intel_agp and agpgart modules for the onboard video |
| 07:18.17 | xbj9000 | I blacklisted them |
| 07:18.27 | xbj9000 | painfully simple lol |
| 07:18.28 | jon_ | oh, cool... |
| 07:18.53 | jon_ | so you found out what was panicking the kernel |
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| 07:19.21 | jon_ | but you didn't percieve it as being so simple before you looked into it... |
| 07:19.30 | jon_ | do I have that right? |
| 07:19.54 | xbj9000 | well it was simple once I figured out that's what was causing it |
| 07:20.12 | jon_ | there's something to be learned from that |
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| 07:21.10 | xbj9000 | I hadn't suspected it was the modules conflicting |
| 07:21.17 | jon_ | at least two somethings, one of which is: you are capable of finding problems |
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| 07:21.43 | xbj9000 | lol come on, this isn't the first problem I've solved by far |
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| 07:22.08 | jon_ | you never said anything about your background... |
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| 07:22.27 | jon_ | in any case I'm glad it worked out |
| 07:22.41 | xbj9000 | yeah this is just the first problem of it's kind I've had |
| 07:22.48 | xbj9000 | thanks |
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| 07:23.03 | jon_ | you're welcome... but remember you did the work |
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| 07:39.39 | janez | hey |
| 07:39.40 | janez | I just purchased one of these laptops and I cannot get X running with the intel driver. All I get is white screens when using the intel driver. |
| 07:39.59 | janez | dell studio 1535 |
| 07:40.01 | rmrfchik | what chipset? |
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| 07:40.11 | janez | intel i965GM |
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| 07:40.39 | janez | I also tried installing Fedora, Debian, OpenSuse and the alpha Ubuntu release (Intrepid Ibex). White screens on all of them. So I don't know |
| 07:41.20 | Appiah | which version of the intel driver? |
| 07:41.25 | Appiah | tried just running Vesa? |
| 07:41.56 | janez | Appiah, xserver-xorg-video-intel of lenny |
| 07:42.08 | janez | Appiah, with vesa work |
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| 07:42.16 | Appiah | and in version number that is? |
| 07:42.35 | janez | Appiah, and intel driver work with an external monitor |
| 07:42.55 | redduck666 | i'm trying to mount a dmcrypt partition created via debian installer from a live cd. http://rafb.net/p/zXGZBv88.html any hints? i'm 98% sure i enetered the correct passphrase |
| 07:42.57 | janez | Appiah, 2:2.3.2-2+lenny4: amd64 i386 |
| 07:42.57 | Appiah | tried setting another res then? |
| 07:43.09 | Appiah | amd64 i386? |
| 07:43.18 | janez | Appiah, amd64 |
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| 07:45.53 | Appiah | what happends when you lower the res janez ? |
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| 07:47.51 | redduck666 | anyone? |
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| 07:48.21 | janez | Appiah, what is res? |
| 07:48.27 | janez | oh |
| 07:48.31 | janez | resolution |
| 07:48.39 | janez | Appiah, i cant set lower resolution |
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| 07:49.23 | Appiah | janez: why not? |
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| 07:54.18 | pumpkin0 | i need a clean start on a remote server. Can i install and configure a new debian etch by debbootstrapping onto a empty HD while the old system is running? Are these installs bootable? I want to limit the server downtime to a single reboot... |
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| 07:55.28 | streuner_ | thats impossible |
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| 07:55.59 | pumpkin0 | streuner_: ? |
| 07:56.07 | streuner_ | you shouldnt play with production server |
| 07:56.14 | janez_ | Appiah, im back, im writing now from the laptop, with intel driver, but I connected a monitor to the laptop |
| 07:56.36 | pumpkin0 | streuner_: it's a clan-server hosting some games, not a commercial server. |
| 07:56.41 | |niko| | If I have an LVM2 partition that was a physical volume in another distribution, and I install Debian, can Debian automatically be able to know that this partition is an LVM2 physical volume? |
| 07:57.17 | |niko| | And by extension, would Debian understand to mount the ext3 partition in a logical volume inside? |
| 07:57.25 | pumpkin0 | streuner_: it's not even visible on the normal net. |
| 07:57.30 | streuner_ | get another server and install Debian there, and get some experience first, before you even think about to run a production server with it... |
| 07:57.47 | |niko| | Or, are there specific recovery/probing methods to explore LVM2 logical volumes within Debian if they are NOT auto-recognised? |
| 07:58.04 | Appiah | janez_: and why can you not lower the resolution? |
| 07:58.15 | Appiah | I think you need to edit your xorg.conf |
| 07:58.35 | janez_ | Appiah, now I can change the resolution |
| 07:58.59 | wols_ | janez_: what does your Xorg log say? pastebin it |
| 07:59.03 | janez_ | Appiah, but now Im in a external monitor, not laptop monitor |
| 07:59.07 | janez_ | k |
| 07:59.32 | Appiah | janez_: exit X , edit the xorg.conf (without the external monitor) , why cant you do that? |
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| 08:00.34 | fietsbel | should I download nvidia drivers or use NV ? |
| 08:00.36 | janez_ | wols_, Appiah http://pastebin.com/d404b5682 |
| 08:00.52 | Appiah | janez_: and your xorg log |
| 08:00.53 | streuner_ | fietsbel: if you dont need 3D, just use "nv" |
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| 08:01.03 | wols_ | janez_: that's no log |
| 08:01.29 | wols_ | fietsbel: nvidia drivers are in debian non-free. we do not support the nvidia.run driver from nvidia.com |
| 08:01.39 | janez_ | Appiah, I edit the xorg.conf several times with the help of google, but nothing worked |
| 08:01.40 | fietsbel | oh ok |
| 08:01.42 | janez_ | wols_, ups, wait |
| 08:01.50 | fietsbel | what about nvidia-glx ? |
| 08:01.52 | fietsbel | that's non free? |
| 08:02.08 | streuner_ | sure, but its a package in Debian... |
| 08:02.11 | wols_ | fietsbel: yes |
| 08:02.26 | fietsbel | do I have to pay to get that? or how does that work? |
| 08:02.35 | streuner_ | no |
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| 08:02.36 | janez_ | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m3f840df7 |
| 08:02.39 | streuner_ | !non-free |
| 08:02.39 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:02.47 | ehamberg | it's gratis, but not free |
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| 08:03.13 | fietsbel | any reason why I shouldn't use them? |
| 08:03.25 | streuner_ | well, DFSG |
| 08:03.27 | adnc | hello, i need to get the "creation date/time" of a file and i use "ls -la" for it to display, but the values can not be right i get, i wonder if i missuse the command |
| 08:03.52 | wols_ | fietsbel: are you on lenny? |
| 08:03.58 | fietsbel | just stable wols_ |
| 08:04.26 | fietsbel | all I wanna do is install my graphic card... which I hardly ever do, since I never use stuff like X |
| 08:04.27 | fietsbel | :P |
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| 08:04.41 | streuner_ | nv just work fine |
| 08:04.58 | fietsbel | does that give me stuff like hardware acceleration? |
| 08:05.11 | surrounder | fietsbel: haha puike nick |
| 08:05.14 | Appiah | janez_: you dont have any resoultion setting,sync or refresh rate set |
| 08:05.38 | fietsbel | :p |
| 08:05.59 | wols_ | Appiah: that is normal |
| 08:06.01 | janez_ | I can use post your xorg.conf in pastebin? |
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| 08:06.06 | wols_ | fietsbel: yes |
| 08:06.12 | streuner_ | Debian doesnt support non-free stuff much (DFSG), keep that in mind... |
| 08:06.25 | wols_ | fietsbel: what videocard do you run? |
| 08:06.28 | Appiah | wols_: well I asked him to set some to troubleshoot |
| 08:06.31 | janez_ | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m3f840df7 |
| 08:06.44 | fietsbel | wols just a geforce 7300 |
| 08:06.47 | adnc | ahhh getting creation date on unix like ls is not possible |
| 08:06.53 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 08:07.04 | fietsbel | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GS (rev a1) |
| 08:07.12 | streuner_ | fietsbel: did you try nv yet? |
| 08:07.14 | wols_ | fietsbel: that's probably not supported with the drivers in etch. they're too old |
| 08:07.27 | fietsbel | no streuner I did not |
| 08:07.37 | wols_ | fietsbel: you might need drivers from sid and do a backport. etch stopped around nv6800 IIRC |
| 08:07.41 | fietsbel | I'm sure NV will work, but will it give me the same functionality as the real drivers? |
| 08:07.52 | wols_ | fietsbel: no 3D with nv |
| 08:08.00 | fietsbel | wols_ is it an option to just get the drivers from the nvidia site? |
| 08:08.30 | wols_ | fietsbel: sure. but then you will get NO help from us for them. and they will regularly break with updates |
| 08:08.44 | streuner_ | wols_> fietsbel: nvidia drivers are in debian non-free. we do not support the nvidia.run driver from nvidia.com |
| 08:08.45 | fietsbel | hmm sucky |
| 08:08.58 | wols_ | fietsbel: #nvidia might help |
| 08:09.04 | wols_ | with the nvidia.com drivers |
| 08:09.31 | fietsbel | yeah< I installed those before |
| 08:09.33 | fietsbel | had regular breakage |
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| 08:09.58 | fietsbel | how can I check out till what card nv is workijng? |
| 08:10.00 | dpy | hi guys |
| 08:10.04 | dpy | does anyone know how to solve the following problem: to save my harddisk (minimize the load cycles), I have to do 'hdparm -B 200 /dev/sda', but now when the laptop is on battery power, the harddisk spins down within 30 seconds of inactivity, increasing the start/stop cycles |
| 08:10.07 | fietsbel | to see if my 7300 will work with this nv ? |
| 08:10.08 | wols_ | fietsbel: nv works with all |
| 08:10.13 | dpy | I just want it to: *never* do any load cycles and *never* spin down unless I hibernate or turn it off |
| 08:10.22 | wols_ | just the nvidia in etch won't work with all of them |
| 08:10.43 | fietsbel | ok clear, but how do I find out which will ? :P |
| 08:11.49 | wols_ | you only have two choices anyways. and nvidia-glx has a readme file where it says what it supports |
| 08:12.06 | wols_ | the one frm sid certainly supports your card. from etch, I think not |
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| 08:16.19 | fietsbel | I think I'll try nvidia-glx first, because I can recall using them before |
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| 08:21.58 | badcfe | if i repeatedly write to and truncate a file, will it always rewrite to the same physical disc location? |
| 08:22.02 | badcfe | commonly for any mounted fs type? |
| 08:22.04 | badcfe | ufs and ext3? |
| 08:22.05 | badcfe | im afraid for my hd platter ... |
| 08:22.16 | badcfe | guess it will huh, since same inode and then ... the same first data block? |
| 08:23.14 | wols_ | badcfe: why is this important? |
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| 08:24.26 | wols_ | HDD platters don't wear |
| 08:24.32 | badcfe | wols_: oh? |
| 08:24.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's the 2.6 way to change the Console keyboard layout? |
| 08:24.41 | wols_ | answer my question |
| 08:25.02 | badcfe | wols_: and in any case its just being synced (physical flush?) every sec right? |
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| 08:25.36 | wols_ | Ability`: answer my question |
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| 08:25.57 | wols_ | rather badcfe: answer my question |
| 08:26.33 | wols_ | Blast_Hardcheese: IIRC dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 08:26.37 | badcfe | wols_: i did say way (im afraid for disc) and you got it (hdd dont wear). |
| 08:26.54 | wols_ | k |
| 08:26.55 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.13 | wols_ | SSDs do wear but their wear leveling algorithm is in hardware |
| 08:27.23 | badcfe | wols_: i actually thought that it was bad to constantly overwrite the same location on the platter for years. |
| 08:27.40 | badcfe | wols_: i do this for about 100 bytes for the last 4 years now. |
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| 08:27.50 | badcfe | wols_: many times a second |
| 08:28.02 | jon_ | why? :) |
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| 08:28.22 | mquin | /8/11 |
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| 08:29.49 | wols_ | badcfe: find out what write caches are :) |
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| 08:30.22 | wols_ | unless you explicity sync or some time is elapsed, nothing gets written |
| 08:30.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols_: Doesn't appear to give me a selection of keyboard layouts, just "setting console screen modes and fonts" |
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| 08:30.44 | badcfe | wols_: ok. so its practically never written? |
| 08:31.04 | jon_ | it's written periodically |
| 08:31.05 | badcfe | wols_: physically i mean. not even to the disc. end then ... the disc itelf may have a cache right? |
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| 08:31.33 | badcfe | jon_: thats called sync in the os? |
| 08:31.37 | wols_ | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about keymap |
| 08:31.57 | wols_ | badcfe: sync is a system call |
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| 08:32.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | Totally awesome |
| 08:32.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | thanks |
| 08:32.50 | badcfe | !tell badcfe about keymap |
| 08:33.03 | wols_ | !tell badcfe about selftell |
| 08:33.28 | fietsbel | how can I get some more information about a package? |
| 08:33.46 | wols_ | what kind of info? |
| 08:34.14 | fietsbel | hmm version numbers etc |
| 08:35.00 | badcfe | wols_: ok, ill use "/msg dpkg about ..." from now. |
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| 08:35.21 | fietsbel | hmm, do you guys know if there is a support channel for nvidia-glx ? |
| 08:35.24 | wols_ | fietsbel: apt-cache show <package> |
| 08:35.37 | wols_ | fietsbel: I long ago told you. twice. scroll up |
| 08:35.51 | wols_ | flokuehn: unless it's the debian package of nvidia |
| 08:36.30 | wols_ | fietsbel: ^^ |
| 08:36.52 | jon_ | no, but there is a command sync which physically writes all pendings |
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| 08:47.12 | flokuehn | wols_: doesnt matter |
| 08:47.28 | jon_ | I'm not sure whether the periodic writeback is per-block or whether it periodically does a full sync |
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| 08:55.04 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 08:56.02 | GhostlyDeath | early morning |
| 08:56.20 | HSorgYves | is there a way to use srs with postfix out-of-the-box on Debian? |
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| 08:57.41 | AlexC_ | morning all |
| 08:57.51 | AlexC_ | where can I find the default etch .bashrc file? |
| 08:57.57 | jon_ | if it's not configured to use srs when it installs, then of course the answer is no, you have to do something first |
| 08:58.19 | jon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.44 | HSorgYves | jon_: some howto maybe then? |
| 08:58.56 | AlexC_ | jon_, I've modified that as well. Looking for the default to download elsewhere |
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| 08:59.41 | jon_ | AlexC_: see if etc/skel/.bashrc is listed in dpkg -L bash |
| 09:00.23 | AlexC_ | jon_, yes it is |
| 09:00.35 | jon_ | ok, so you can get it from the package |
| 09:00.35 | AlexC_ | apt-get source bash then? |
| 09:00.43 | wols_ | HSorgYves: what is srs? |
| 09:00.43 | jon_ | well no |
| 09:01.01 | HSorgYves | wols_: Sender Rewriting Scheme |
| 09:01.10 | AlexC_ | jon_, there is a more direct way? |
| 09:01.20 | jon_ | see if there is a bash_*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:01.46 | AlexC_ | jon_, cache has been cleared |
| 09:02.01 | wols_ | AlexC_: get the .deb, extract it with dpkg |
| 09:02.43 | AlexC_ | wols_, where can I find the deb? packages.debian.org? |
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| 09:03.02 | jon_ | yes |
| 09:03.13 | AlexC_ | ok, thanks both |
| 09:03.24 | wols_ | AlexC_: wherever you get your other debian software. usually via apt |
| 09:03.32 | fietsbel | guys, isn't nvidia-kernel-common in etch? |
| 09:03.33 | jon_ | for other things that dpkg can do... try dpkg --help |
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| 09:04.12 | jon_ | fietsbel: /msg dpkg info nvidia-kernel-common etch |
| 09:04.18 | wols_ | fietsbel: iwhat are you installing exactly? or trying to? nvidia.run or debian nvidia package |
| 09:04.41 | fietsbel | dpkg is updating files :P |
| 09:04.41 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, fietsbel |
| 09:05.00 | fietsbel | trying to install nvidia-glx wols_ :P |
| 09:05.23 | fietsbel | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 09:05.32 | fietsbel | so I should be able to install it right in etch? |
| 09:05.43 | wols_ | !tell fietsbel about nvidia |
| 09:05.45 | wols_ | fietsbel: yes |
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| 09:08.47 | fietsbel | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:08.48 | fietsbel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.05 | fietsbel | I'm not able to find this nvidia-kernel-common :( |
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| 09:09.25 | wols_ | fietsbel: it's in contrib |
| 09:09.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:12.08 | MacGyverNL | Does Debian provide SysV IPC constructs, in particular, SysV shared memory (shmget et al)? |
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| 09:13.55 | jon_ | MacGyverNL: I think so, support is usually turned on in the kernel |
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| 09:15.08 | jon_ | but you can find out if it's turned on in the kernel you're using by looking at the config file in /boot |
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| 09:15.44 | MacGyverNL | jon_: Thanks, if it's possible that's good enough for me. Recompiling the kernel isn't such a big deal. |
| 09:16.05 | jon_ | exactly, and 9 times out of 10 you won't have to |
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| 09:24.29 | ghaleb | hello, how can I record each command and keystroke on my ssh connections ? |
| 09:25.06 | tuxick | that kind of defeats the purpose |
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| 09:25.13 | tuxick | use telnet and tcpdump |
| 09:25.32 | mquin | ghaleb: take a look at 'snoopy' |
| 09:26.24 | ghaleb | mquin: thank you |
| 09:26.57 | mquin | it can also be done using the shell without needing any ld_preload tricks - http://www.intercal.ukfsn.org/big-brother.pdf |
| 09:27.34 | petemc | ghaleb: script |
| 09:27.52 | ghaleb | petemc: what script ? |
| 09:27.58 | ghaleb | oh .. is it a tool ? |
| 09:28.17 | petemc | yes |
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| 09:29.04 | mquin | note that there's an error in that presentation - http://rafb.net/p/Tp74Xi39.html is a corrected version |
| 09:31.10 | ghaleb | petemc: but it records whats printed on the terminal, I want to see hidden passwords for example |
| 09:31.21 | petemc | classy |
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| 09:34.49 | ghaleb | petemc: hmm .. classy ? |
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| 09:35.25 | needhelp | i getting a /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmp when i compile something.. is there something then i must install first? i'm using debian |
| 09:36.33 | joltcan | needhelp: libgmp, try "apt-cache search ^libgmp" and install one that has the suffix -dev |
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| 09:38.16 | needhelp | joltcan: ok there is libgmp3-dev and libgmp-ocaml-dev .. going to install both thanks |
| 09:38.33 | badcfe | is gmp the way to go? im thinking about making a fractal zoomer |
| 09:38.45 | joltcan | needhelp: try with libgmp3-dev first |
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| 09:39.01 | joltcan | badcfe: Sounds like the correct lib for that, yes |
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| 09:39.24 | badcfe | how does ocaml come into the picture? |
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| 09:40.01 | needhelp | now i got a -lStorm not found.. |
| 09:40.02 | badcfe | ah, sorry. thats someone using gmp under something called ocaml. okay |
| 09:40.05 | needhelp | so i do a same thing |
| 09:40.12 | needhelp | thanks |
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| 09:43.17 | bunnyto | . |
| 09:43.27 | bunnyto | how to restart the keyboard service? |
| 09:44.26 | needhelp | now i got -lStorm problem |
| 09:44.41 | needhelp | ../usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lStorm and my apt-cache cannot find..hmm |
| 09:45.13 | wols_ | needhelp: use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find the library |
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| 09:47.40 | kon_ | while i was installing some debs i ran out of diskspace, now dpkg --configure -a fails. do i need to manually fix it? |
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| 09:48.11 | wols_ | Kovensky: you need to free diskspace first |
| 09:48.36 | Kovensky | wols_: indeed, my usb drive debian has 10M free :) |
| 09:48.42 | Kovensky | morning |
| 09:48.54 | wols_ | kon_: you need to free diskspace first |
| 09:49.05 | kon_ | i have already done that |
| 09:49.15 | wols_ | tehn pastebin the output of the command |
| 09:49.21 | kon_ | moved home and usr to another disk |
| 09:49.47 | kon_ | http://pastebin.com/d1b2d1452 |
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| 09:51.25 | wols_ | kon_: move the file away |
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| 09:52.09 | kon_ | ah, very simple, thanks :) |
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| 09:53.23 | EmleyMoor | I'm seeking some help with schroot - mount-defaults specified filesystems are not mounting in the schroot but are enabled, as http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 show - can anyone advise me on what to try next? |
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| 09:57.49 | fat-lobyte | Hello! Once I tried tu suspend my System to disk. However, i use an encrypted root partition and now "resume" presents me with an error message at boot time: |
| 09:57.56 | fat-lobyte | it says something like this: "Could not stat resume device. Specify full path or Press enter to continue boot" |
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| 09:58.13 | fat-lobyte | does anybody know how I could clean this up? It's really annoying |
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| 09:59.58 | roodmerk | Enter the device name for the swap partition or press return, like it says |
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| 10:02.17 | fat-lobyte | roodmerk: the device is not available at this time of the boot, because its encrypted. And pressing enter everytime is annoying. Is there a way to clean this up somehow? |
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| 10:02.44 | roodmerk | disable resume, probably a kernel boot param |
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| 10:05.03 | fietsbel | hej guys, I'm getting this error |
| 10:05.03 | fietsbel | Fatal server error: |
| 10:05.03 | fietsbel | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 10:05.09 | fietsbel | anyone know how I can solve this? |
| 10:05.19 | alex_alex | install the fonts pack |
| 10:05.32 | fietsbel | which one is that? |
| 10:06.17 | fietsbel | alex_alex ? |
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| 10:07.02 | bunnyto | :-* |
| 10:07.09 | wols_ | !fixed |
| 10:07.09 | dpkg | from memory, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 10:19.56 | dokma | hi guys |
| 10:20.16 | dokma | alot of my apps are getting SIGSEGV after I changed my mobo cpu and ram |
| 10:20.23 | dokma | usually after mmap2 |
| 10:20.41 | dokma | seems to me it has something to do with 32bit old system vs 64 bit new system |
| 10:20.49 | dokma | should I upgrade somthing? |
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| 10:26.17 | cousin_luigi | hello . |
| 10:26.26 | pozic | Is there any browser that has a working implementation of Print Selection? |
| 10:26.33 | cousin_luigi | how comes webmin is no longer available? |
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| 10:26.47 | petemc | cousin_luigi: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 10:27.21 | pozic | I don't understand why even Opera has managed to create such a crappy implementation. |
| 10:27.37 | cousin_luigi | petemc: ok:) |
| 10:27.44 | pozic | IIRC, IE5 already had Print Selection working. |
| 10:27.58 | ganu | how to get the grub output of find /boo/grub/dtage2 to any file |
| 10:28.11 | jas4711 | how can i set a usertag on a bug in the debian bts? 'tags 4711 ...' appears to only be for the standard tags. |
| 10:28.15 | ganu | how to get the "grub output of find /boo/grub/dtage2" to any file |
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| 10:28.32 | wols_ | ganu: > file |
| 10:28.42 | wols_ | or what do you mean? |
| 10:29.00 | avu | jas4711, using bts(1) it's usertag:foo |
| 10:29.14 | ganu | wols_, after grub prompt this symbol > is not working |
| 10:29.25 | wols_ | !wayttd ganu |
| 10:29.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ganu? |
| 10:29.37 | jas4711 | avu, ah, thanks. not possible to do via e-mail to control? |
| 10:29.46 | ganu | in grub prompt i ran find /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 10:29.47 | avu | jas4711, sure |
| 10:30.03 | ganu | the display message i need in a file |
| 10:30.04 | avu | jas4711, I don't think bts(1) can do anything that can's be done manually by email |
| 10:30.10 | pozic | ganu: I don't know, but the point of grub is to start an OS. |
| 10:30.13 | ganu | wols_, how |
| 10:30.25 | pozic | ganu: the very OS on which find depends. |
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| 10:30.32 | jas4711 | avu, reason i ask is i can't find it documented in the bugs.debian.org pages. but i will try 'bts -n' and see how it works. :) |
| 10:30.37 | wols_ | ganu: why do you need to do this? |
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| 10:31.30 | ganu | wols_, i want to pass this to zenity window |
| 10:32.43 | wols_ | ganu: not needed. look into device.map |
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| 10:37.01 | visof | hi |
| 10:37.13 | visof | how can i type arabic in Debian ? |
| 10:37.42 | piasdom | hello |
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| 10:38.52 | piasdom | i'm trying to upgrade sarge>etch and i get error message it can't fine files.... |
| 10:38.59 | MrWGW | hey |
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| 10:39.06 | MrWGW | did this channel auto open sudo bash? |
| 10:39.18 | MrWGW | if not, another di, which seems a tad weird |
| 10:39.19 | MrWGW | at any rate |
| 10:39.26 | piasdom | i pasted my sources.list here http://paste.org/index.php?id=3982 |
| 10:39.46 | petemc | piasdom: are you following the upgrade guide? |
| 10:40.16 | piasdom | no...just useing atpitude |
| 10:40.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.38 | piasdom | thanks pete |
| 10:40.40 | petemc | np |
| 10:40.45 | MrWGW | oh btw I just installed etch using netinst |
| 10:41.03 | MrWGW | is my system thus immediately vulnerable to that ssh pwnage and do I need to do any extra steps now? |
| 10:41.11 | MrWGW | or do the currently availible etch installers have that patched? |
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| 10:41.27 | petemc | MrWGW: if you install the security updates you should be fine |
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| 10:41.42 | tuxick | why is clamav on etch about 200 years old and 100% broken? |
| 10:41.51 | petemc | tuxick: it isnt in volatile |
| 10:41.59 | petemc | as in, the one in volatile isnt old |
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| 10:42.11 | tuxick | so i just shouldn't use etch? |
| 10:42.20 | miniteman | if I want to dual boot win2k and debian can I use the 64 bit kernel for debian? |
| 10:42.20 | tuxick | it's not maintained anymore? |
| 10:42.25 | petemc | tuxick: no, /msg dpkg volatile |
| 10:42.29 | MrWGW | I just downloaded the CD yesterday, the image name is debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 10:42.53 | tuxick | petemc: i could also install from source, but why does it provide a broken clamav? |
| 10:42.54 | petemc | MrWGW: yes, but you should still upgrade against the mirrors |
| 10:43.09 | petemc | tuxick: you dont seem to be listening to what you're being told |
| 10:43.10 | MrWGW | petemc: is the bug patched in the currently availible CD or not? |
| 10:43.13 | MrWGW | I'll upgrade against the mirrors |
| 10:43.17 | MrWGW | but I want to know if the bug is there or not |
| 10:43.20 | tuxick | petemc: it doesn't answer my question |
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| 10:43.24 | MrWGW | because if it is there I figure I'll also need to regenerate my ssh keys etc |
| 10:43.27 | MrWGW | so that's the real question |
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| 10:43.42 | rebel_kid | ok... now i am having the box network attached, ftp isnt secure so whats better? but still easy to implement and for clients, also are there any security issues i need to worry bout |
| 10:43.46 | petemc | tuxick: debian stable doesnt get new software, but for packages like clamav which need updates to function properly, an alternate repository called volatile is provided |
| 10:43.57 | MrWGW | if the media has been patched, and I'd be shocked, awed, and generally pissed off if it weren't, then hooray |
| 10:43.59 | petemc | tuxick: if you bother to read what the bot told you you would know this |
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| 10:44.40 | hifi | rebel_kid: scp/sftp for secure file transfers |
| 10:45.01 | MrWGW | hmm? |
| 10:45.37 | rebel_kid | hifi, so is that scp for sftp i assume? and any major security problems i need to patch? |
| 10:45.39 | MrWGW | scp ftw |
| 10:45.46 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 10:45.59 | rebel_kid | is scp fairly idiot friendly? |
| 10:46.05 | MrWGW | rebel_kid: there is that ssh vulnerability, I'm trying to find out from someone what the deal is there |
| 10:46.07 | hifi | depends highly on the client |
| 10:46.11 | MrWGW | scp is fairly easy rebel_kid |
| 10:46.16 | rebel_kid | cool |
| 10:46.18 | MrWGW | both boxes need ssh |
| 10:46.33 | rebel_kid | well im not using ssh, i got it right here lol |
| 10:46.34 | hifi | scp <file> user@remote.box: |
| 10:46.36 | hifi | is that hard? |
| 10:46.42 | MrWGW | so you'd go scp /some/local/file user@remote:/wherever/you/want/it |
| 10:46.42 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:46.47 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 10:46.53 | MrWGW | or vice versa |
| 10:46.56 | tuxick | ok, i get it |
| 10:46.57 | MrWGW | petemc: yes it would |
| 10:46.57 | petemc | that would create a local copt of file called user@remote.box |
| 10:46.59 | tuxick | "don't use etch" |
| 10:47.01 | madgalene | gosh |
| 10:47.04 | hifi | petemc: no it wouldn't |
| 10:47.08 | petemc | yes it would |
| 10:47.09 | tuxick | i'll upgrade asap |
| 10:47.13 | MrWGW | no it wouldn't, your full of shit |
| 10:47.14 | avu | petemc, no it wouldn't |
| 10:47.14 | hifi | petemc: see the trailing : |
| 10:47.22 | MrWGW | petemc: man scp and STFU |
| 10:47.26 | petemc | hifi: you're mussing a trailing dot |
| 10:47.27 | MrWGW | rolls eyes |
| 10:47.30 | petemc | MrWGW: no need to be rude |
| 10:47.44 | MrWGW | obviously the user would need to provide the path name, its an example |
| 10:47.52 | MrWGW | but the syntax is the same |
| 10:47.53 | petemc | a non working example |
| 10:47.55 | MrWGW | well duh |
| 10:47.57 | avu | petemc, no he's not |
| 10:47.59 | hifi | the example is working |
| 10:48.09 | hifi | it copies the file to the destination user's HOME |
| 10:48.16 | avu | petemc, scp <file> user@machine: works. no dot of any kind needed |
| 10:48.16 | petemc | avu: :. would do that |
| 10:48.30 | hifi | the dot is optional |
| 10:48.40 | hifi | please try |
| 10:48.42 | avu | petemc, you're wrong |
| 10:48.48 | avu | petemc, (about the dot being needed) |
| 10:48.48 | MrWGW | petemc: I use that exact syntax every day |
| 10:48.55 | MrWGW | I use scp as much as any other UNIX command line program |
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| 10:49.03 | MrWGW | scp is the primary means i use to push stuff out to my servers on an adhoc basis |
| 10:49.30 | petemc | oh right, well - apologies |
| 10:49.42 | MrWGW | ok then |
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| 10:49.50 | madgalene | bursts out of the chest of an idle #debian_lurker and skitters across the floor into the shadows of the #debian_fern |
| 10:49.53 | petemc | i guess leaving the colon does that, i always use the dot anyway |
| 10:50.03 | madgalene | foilage is my friend |
| 10:50.33 | jon_ | foilage? swordage? |
| 10:50.48 | madgalene | no, its a sword fern though |
| 10:50.53 | jon_ | the colon is requird |
| 10:51.00 | petemc | yes |
| 10:51.20 | MrWGW | and of course the cool thing about scp is that you can do local-remote, remote-local, or remote-remote |
| 10:51.26 | MrWGW | scp is really awesome |
| 10:51.30 | jon_ | that is if the file description is another machine or another user on the same machine |
| 10:51.48 | hifi | and of course scp can recurse too |
| 10:51.58 | MrWGW | its really good stuff |
| 10:52.08 | jon_ | you can scp file1 file2 and then wonder why you didn't use cp :) |
| 10:52.12 | MrWGW | IMO scp is simply the best way to do adhoc file transfers |
| 10:52.22 | MrWGW | I even use it on Microsoft Windows operating systems via pscp |
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| 10:52.30 | MrWGW | and of course you can install cygwin and just do it in the normal manner as well |
| 10:52.34 | hifi | I'm lazy and use WinSCP on windows |
| 10:52.45 | hifi | "it works" |
| 10:52.51 | MrWGW | pscp though uses the command line, which I like, and its syntax is the same as the UNix one |
| 10:52.54 | MrWGW | so its easiest for me |
| 10:53.00 | jon_ | I'm lazy therefore I only run windows when I absolutely have to |
| 10:53.01 | MrWGW | I find CLI programs to be much easier than GUI ones once you know them |
| 10:53.14 | hifi | I find windows in CLI to be unusable :p |
| 10:53.39 | hifi | you'd need a whole cygwin system on windows to actually use CLI |
| 10:53.48 | jon_ | the old msdos interpreter is so full of weird heuristics that it's hard to understand |
| 10:54.02 | MrWGW | I disagree |
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| 10:54.10 | MrWGW | IMO the two languages are about the same |
| 10:54.13 | petemc | its not really relevant to this channel |
| 10:54.23 | jon_ | which two? |
| 10:54.39 | piasdom | pete: i used the mirror from the release note and i get a big list of packages being kept back and no upgrade |
| 10:54.39 | jon_ | msdos and bash? |
| 10:54.42 | MrWGW | DOS shell and sh, in terms of overall quality |
| 10:54.42 | ronr | does some tool (except for excessive checking with crontab exist) to set a timeout on a file on the filesystem, basically I want to create a file and while creating I want to say: remove this file 60 minutes from now |
| 10:54.47 | MrWGW | bash is superior of course |
| 10:54.57 | petemc | piasdom: using dist-upgrade? |
| 10:55.07 | MrWGW | for scripting I typically target sh since its the lowest common denominator |
| 10:55.23 | MrWGW | a lot of my stuff lacks bash but has ash or sh or ksh |
| 10:55.25 | piasdom | pete: update and upgrade |
| 10:55.26 | jon_ | they're similar in the most superficial way |
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| 10:55.35 | madgalene | im wondering, is it always this busy at this time of the morning? |
| 10:55.39 | petemc | piasdom: doesnt it say to use dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:55.42 | MrWGW | jon: my opinion of DOS sh is that its of similiar quality to sh |
| 10:55.45 | MrWGW | not similiar syntax/semantics |
| 10:55.49 | MrWGW | a lot of the commands are different |
| 10:55.55 | petemc | madgalene: its different times for different people |
| 10:56.06 | jon_ | then you don't understand either interpreter very well |
| 10:56.08 | MrWGW | but it has what I need: cls, move, copy, more, |, >>, > and so on, so its cool stuff |
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| 10:56.26 | MrWGW | jon_: all I'm saying is the -quality- is about the same, i.e. reliability, ease of use, for me at least |
| 10:56.36 | piasdom | pete: it says -- Note that the `dists' is added implicitly |
| 10:56.40 | MrWGW | I do quite a bit of sh scripting on UNIX systems though, I don't do much scripting with DOS sh any more |
| 10:56.44 | jon_ | here's a similarity: they both have command arg arg arg arg |
| 10:56.49 | madgalene | thanks petemc. its wierd seeing this many folks in here 2 hours after I usually leave, and at that time its usually dead |
| 10:56.50 | MrWGW | when I was 8 though I wrote my first ever program, in DOS sh |
| 10:56.54 | MrWGW | an autoexec.bat |
| 10:56.56 | jon_ | I don't really see any other |
| 10:56.58 | madgalene | but I havent been in in a long time |
| 10:57.01 | MrWGW | so I have some degree of fondness for it |
| 10:57.03 | piasdom | pete: i'll try dist-ugrade |
| 10:57.06 | MrWGW | a clone of it ported to UNIX would be so awesome |
| 10:57.14 | MrWGW | oh gosh dang, I have to write that... |
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| 10:57.40 | MrWGW | oh man that would be cool |
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| 10:57.58 | MrWGW | the directory seperator thing alone would be a fascinating problem to solve |
| 10:58.12 | fietsbel | guys |
| 10:58.17 | jon_ | MrWGW: here's a dissimilarity: msdos interpreter does not handle any filename wild cards, most shells do |
| 10:58.17 | fietsbel | what's the command to install my kernel source? |
| 10:58.53 | jon_ | what's your uname -r? |
| 10:58.54 | madgalene | does anyone know of any java or hell, just any video player that will allow debian (lenny) on a G3 to play movies from Utube or other online movie sites? |
| 10:59.08 | MrWGW | jon_: * works just fine on cmd on my Windows Vista box sitting next to me |
| 10:59.15 | MrWGW | fires up a DOS VM to see if it works on classic MS DOS |
| 10:59.26 | jon_ | MrWGW: for what commands? |
| 10:59.45 | jon_ | reread what I said carefully... |
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| 10:59.52 | jon_ | and consider this question: |
| 10:59.56 | MrWGW | I'm fairly certain it works |
| 10:59.56 | petemc | fietsbel: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 11:00.10 | jon_ | what has to happen for wildcard chars to work? |
| 11:00.13 | MrWGW | oh well in DOS the wildcard is done on a command-by-command basis, as opposed to being expanded by the shell |
| 11:00.22 | jon_ | yes, exactly |
| 11:00.23 | MrWGW | IIRC |
| 11:00.28 | MrWGW | IMO this is actually better than the UNIX approach |
| 11:00.45 | MrWGW | since it lets each program draw its own conclusions about the output its given |
| 11:00.53 | jon_ | so you're ok that each command could do it differently? |
| 11:01.00 | MrWGW | jon_: yes |
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| 11:01.04 | jon_ | and that code is necessary? |
| 11:01.06 | MrWGW | jon_: in practice, most of them don't |
| 11:01.11 | MrWGW | and technically speaking, it still is expanded by the shell |
| 11:01.21 | MrWGW | since in DOS most of the core functionality is built into the shell itself |
| 11:01.21 | jon_ | so that makes each command that uses it larger and more complex? |
| 11:01.26 | MrWGW | as opposed to being strewn around the equivalent of /bin |
| 11:01.32 | MrWGW | jon_: not really |
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| 11:01.48 | jon_ | if it's not more complex, then it can't do it |
| 11:01.51 | piasdom | pete:it keeps trying to Resolving dependencies...and asking for more time |
| 11:01.58 | petemc | MrWGW: you're by not surely aware that this channel is for debian support and not general discussion |
| 11:02.11 | MrWGW | petemc: indeed, but I'm also aware of the proper syntax for scp, so... |
| 11:02.12 | MrWGW | :-p |
| 11:02.21 | MrWGW | but jon_ indeed lets discuss this in offtopic perhaps mhmm? |
| 11:02.23 | MrWGW | because this is interesting |
| 11:02.50 | jon_ | how do you do that in bitchx... |
| 11:02.52 | petemc | MrWGW: im also aware of the syntax, and its not a bad habit to use something to express the file on the remote end |
| 11:03.08 | MrWGW | jon_ #debian-offtopic |
| 11:03.23 | jon_ | he was just saying that it's optional to use the . |
| 11:03.24 | MrWGW | petemc: on the remote end its really a good idea to just declare the full path IMO |
| 11:03.35 | jon_ | which doesn't refer to the file anyway tho |
| 11:03.53 | jon_ | depends on what you're doing |
| 11:04.11 | petemc | ... |
| 11:04.43 | piasdom | pete:up to 35000 open and closed and 31 conflicts |
| 11:04.44 | jon_ | if you want to copy something to each person's home dir via a command you run as each user, then stating the full path is not useful |
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| 11:05.10 | MrWGW | jon_: indeed, but I really strongly prefer to use the full path in either case |
| 11:05.11 | jon_ | because you can run the identical command in each case if you don't |
| 11:05.17 | MrWGW | also typically I scp into the remote system as root |
| 11:05.23 | Selveste1 | !bug |
| 11:05.23 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 11:05.25 | petemc | piasdom: you're going from sarge to etch? not sarge to lenny? |
| 11:05.25 | MrWGW | since a lot of adhoc transfers I do involve random stuff on servers |
| 11:05.49 | piasdom | pete:yes sarge>etch |
| 11:05.53 | jon_ | well if you do it as root, then you have to specify full path, but then you have to do a chown after if you want the user to own the file |
| 11:06.01 | petemc | piasdom: i guess just let it try to resolve it |
| 11:06.05 | jon_ | it's more work |
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| 11:06.12 | jon_ | and remember, I'm lazy :P |
| 11:06.15 | piasdom | pete: k thanks |
| 11:06.50 | jon_ | it's work to determine the path, and then it's work to do the chown |
| 11:07.20 | jon_ | in the general case, the user's home dir does not have to be /home/user |
| 11:07.54 | manukrishnan | hi guyz... how to set screen resolution in Lenny testing June 2008? dpkg-reconfigure is not working.... |
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| 11:09.21 | MrWGW | so seriously, does anyone know, if the currently availible netinst CD, includes a patch for the ssh vulnerability? |
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| 11:09.29 | MrWGW | its probably not a big deal since this box isn't net-facing |
| 11:09.30 | dokma | guys! am I supposed to run one of the bigmem kernels if I have 2GB of ram? |
| 11:09.33 | MrWGW | but I'd still very much -like to know- |
| 11:09.50 | faileas | dokma: i don't think so |
| 11:10.09 | jon_ | dokma: I thought bigmem was for 4g and above |
| 11:10.10 | manukrishnan | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:10.21 | dokma | faileas: after I upgraded mobo, cpu, ram and gpu I now have a 64bit system with 2GB ram |
| 11:10.41 | faileas | MrWGW: check if you have the openssh-blacklist installed |
| 11:10.45 | dokma | and a few of apps are sigsegving after a call to mmap2 |
| 11:10.59 | dokma | jon_: don't know |
| 11:11.05 | dokma | but my apps are sigsegving |
| 11:11.19 | jon_ | dokma so you have 2g? |
| 11:11.22 | dokma | apache2 and openoffice writer to be specific |
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| 11:11.29 | dokma | jon_: yes |
| 11:11.41 | jon_ | dokma: does free show almost 2g? or almost 1g? |
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| 11:12.05 | dokma | total 2073856 |
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| 11:12.16 | jon_ | so your kernel seems to show your ram |
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| 11:12.20 | florist | Can someone help me with an aptitude problem on i386 Debian/sid? |
| 11:12.33 | dokma | and seems to use it normally most of the time |
| 11:12.46 | dokma | it's just that some apps started sigsegving after the upgrade |
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| 11:12.51 | dokma | I can't start apache2 anymore |
| 11:12.52 | manukrishnan | can anyone help me with resolution problem in Debian Lenny? |
| 11:12.53 | jon_ | do you run swap? |
| 11:12.58 | dokma | yes |
| 11:13.03 | madgalene | Im running lenny ported to a G3 mac and I would like to know if anyone has heard of any open source software or 'work arounds' to get flash and videos from sites like utube etc. working correctly for this configureation... anyone? |
| 11:13.15 | madgalene | manukrishnan I might be able to |
| 11:13.19 | jon_ | those are flvs |
| 11:13.25 | jon_ | mplayer can play those |
| 11:13.40 | jon_ | madgalene |
| 11:13.47 | madgalene | jon on a g3 ? |
| 11:13.53 | manukrishnan | madgalene: Its Lenny testing... June 2008 dpkr-reconfigure is not working |
| 11:14.01 | jon_ | try it and see :) |
| 11:14.09 | madgalene | indeed |
| 11:14.48 | florist | manukrishnan: what is the resolution problem? |
| 11:14.50 | petemc | manukrishnan: that uses a new xorg which uses xrandr to generate the config on the fly, you can still create a xorg.conf with the values you require |
| 11:14.59 | MrWGW | ok |
| 11:14.59 | MrWGW | faileas: it doesn't show up in dpkg -l |
| 11:15.07 | madgalene | manukrishnan: can you get into the actual xorg.conf? |
| 11:15.07 | manukrishnan | the resolution is still 800x600 |
| 11:15.11 | petemc | manukrishnan: there may even be a way to do so with xrandr, im not aware tho |
| 11:15.32 | rebel_kid | whats the debian svn package? apt-get install svn isnt there :( |
| 11:15.33 | manukrishnan | what all should I add in xorg.conf? |
| 11:15.37 | madgalene | whups |
| 11:15.43 | dokma | jon_ you think turning swap off could make some change? |
| 11:15.48 | manukrishnan | it sals just configured... configured.... |
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| 11:16.17 | madgalene | if it sets it on the fly i don't think you will able to manually set it |
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| 11:16.36 | dokma | rebel_kid: subversion |
| 11:16.39 | faileas | MrWGW: dpkg -l | grep ssh just to make sure |
| 11:16.57 | madgalene | what have you got the option questions set to in the dpkg? |
| 11:17.03 | jon_ | dokma: I was just trying to see if you're doing the normal thing |
| 11:17.03 | florist | manukrishnan: can you try "xrandr -s"? |
| 11:17.16 | jon_ | if you don't run swap, you can get weird problems |
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| 11:17.32 | dokma | well the system worked flawlesly for months without reboot prior to hardware update |
| 11:17.39 | dokma | and now some apps are just failing |
| 11:18.00 | dokma | the only difference that I deem important are the increased ram and 64bit capabilities |
| 11:18.01 | madgalene | if you have them set to basic it may just be setting the resolution without asking you |
| 11:18.01 | manukrishnan | madgalene: only keyboard and mouse configuration |
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| 11:18.33 | manukrishnan | madgalene: in etch, it asks for monitor autodetection. but not in lenny |
| 11:18.36 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.52 | madgalene | you should be able to get it to ask you about everything by setting the options to insanely picky |
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| 11:19.09 | madgalene | so it asks you for every option |
| 11:19.25 | madgalene | then you will get the monitor resolution back into the mix |
| 11:20.12 | manukrishnan | can it be due to chipset problems? |
| 11:20.25 | madgalene | sorry i can't remember the exact names of these atm. is 4 am and Im about whacked... the place to set these is at the very very beginning of dpkg |
| 11:20.30 | madgalene | doesnt sound like it |
| 11:20.31 | florist | manukrishnan: the quickest way to check that is to use xrandr and see the resolution modes supported. |
| 11:20.40 | EmleyMoor | I'm seeking some help with schroot - mount-defaults specified filesystems are not mounting in the schroot but are enabled, as http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 show - can anyone advise me on what to try next? |
| 11:20.46 | florist | manukrishnan: Type xrandr on command line and see what resolutions are available. |
| 11:20.47 | madgalene | florist is right |
| 11:20.55 | florist | then use xrandr -s <resolution> |
| 11:20.56 | manukrishnan | florist: nothing is listed |
| 11:21.00 | florist | to see if you switch to that. |
| 11:21.10 | florist | What video card do you have? |
| 11:21.31 | madgalene | feh |
| 11:21.33 | manukrishnan | florist: its onboard... nvidia |
| 11:21.44 | madgalene | nvidia are evil |
| 11:21.46 | florist | And you're using the Xorg's nv driver? |
| 11:22.05 | florist | Or is it loading some vesa driver? |
| 11:22.13 | manukrishnan | florist: nvidia nforce now. same problem with via |
| 11:22.51 | manukrishnan | florist: I don't know. Its the default installation. |
| 11:23.08 | madgalene | aieee, i need to crash. im sorry , brain turning to mush, I still think you may have luck with the dpkg option settings reset to paranoid |
| 11:23.20 | manukrishnan | florist: how could I check the driver? |
| 11:23.36 | madgalene | florist, can you direct him to how to do that?/ |
| 11:23.38 | jon_ | do you have to be an android to be paranoid? |
| 11:23.54 | manukrishnan | what just happened with dpkg-reconfigure? Is it a bug or so? |
| 11:24.04 | florist | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:24.11 | florist | should tell you what video driver got loaded. |
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| 11:24.31 | madgalene | it just sounds like its set to 'ask me the least amount of questions, and set everything to default' |
| 11:24.44 | florist | manukrishnan: I don't think so. As far as I know, Xorg switched to automatic detection of most things. |
| 11:24.56 | florist | So doesn't really need a huge Xorg file. |
| 11:25.16 | madgalene | need sllee; |
| 11:25.30 | madgalene | which would be sleep if i didn't need it so much |
| 11:25.44 | madgalene | <--- crashing |
| 11:26.19 | florist | manukrishnan: search for the "video driver" in the file. |
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| 11:28.04 | manukrishnan | florist: checking... |
| 11:28.38 | florist | In Debian sid, aptitude v. 0.4.11.10-1 the interactive mode doesn't quit. |
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| 11:28.45 | florist | I've to manually hit Ctrl+C to make it quit. |
| 11:28.53 | florist | Does anyone know why, or how to fix it? |
| 11:29.23 | manukrishnan | florist: can it be nv_drv? |
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| 11:29.51 | florist | Yeah. |
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| 11:30.21 | manukrishnan | florist: so what to do? |
| 11:30.30 | madgalene | curls up under the #debian_fern and waits for her next meal to wander by too closely, having mistaken her exoskeleton for part of the #debian_bulkhead |
| 11:30.58 | florist | manukrishnan: In the same file, can you check if it says RandR enabled? |
| 11:31.15 | florist | manukrishnan: or initializing extension randr? |
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| 11:32.02 | manukrishnan | florist: let me check |
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| 11:33.05 | manukrishnan | florist: its enabled |
| 11:33.30 | florist | Now in an xterm type xrandr and you should see some output. |
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| 11:35.25 | manukrishnan | florist: it says maximum 800 x 600 |
| 11:36.53 | florist | manukrishnan: And there are no other resolutions listed? |
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| 11:37.18 | manukrishnan | florist: all are below that |
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| 11:38.23 | florist | manukrishnan: I'm not sure what the problem is. |
| 11:38.49 | manukrishnan | is there any alternative driver? |
| 11:39.28 | florist | You can try nvidia's binary driver |
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| 11:39.39 | florist | !tell manukrishnan about nvidia |
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| 11:45.26 | thesuliban1980 | Hello Folks, I have recently upgraded my lenny to kernel 2.6.26. SInce then my WIFI clients, which are connected to the upgraded machine, serving hostapd and the madwifi wlan driver are dis- and reconnected all the time. Going back to 2.6.22 did solve the problem. Has anyone experienced similar? |
| 11:45.47 | thesuliban1980 | OH - btw: I am using amd64 |
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| 11:52.22 | liable | thesuliban1980: did you upgrade madwifi version as well? |
| 11:52.36 | liable | the latest version isnt that stable for some |
| 11:53.14 | thesuliban1980 | I am using 0.9.4, which appears to be the most recent version, regarding the madwifi.org website. |
| 11:53.50 | thesuliban1980 | the 0.9.4 version is the one, which is part of the lenny repository as madwifi-source |
| 11:54.38 | thesuliban1980 | join /#madwifi |
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| 11:54.58 | thesuliban1980 | *g* almost! |
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| 11:56.28 | trilobit` | thesuliban1980: For some reason I have not been able to use Athereos wifi with 0.9.4. But when I used madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6 it worked. |
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| 11:57.01 | abrotman | thesuliban1980: madwifi or ath5k? |
| 11:57.07 | thesuliban1980 | madwifi |
| 11:57.41 | trilobit` | thesuliban1980: if it's of any help for you, have a look at http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/ |
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| 11:58.37 | florist | manukrishnan: are you trying the nvidia driver? |
| 11:58.38 | thesuliban1980 | and it's not as if the card would not work... it is recognized by the system... but as soon as I connect a client via hostapd it get disconnected after a moment.. |
| 11:58.46 | thesuliban1980 | and no suspicious entries in the syslog |
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| 12:01.14 | msshams | when i try to do this command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55249/ i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55250/ can you help me please? |
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| 12:02.03 | abrotman | msshams: should you be asking #ubuntu? |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | thesuliban1980: i think .26 moved to ath5k ? |
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| 12:03.20 | Usiu | Hi |
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| 12:03.30 | Usiu | how to type something in swedish using english keyboard ? |
| 12:03.34 | Usiu | any help? |
| 12:03.36 | fl0w | if I have a textfile, how can I in debian terminal (server etch installed) check what encoding the file is in? and how can I re-save it with another encoding? |
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| 12:04.25 | petemc | fl0w: file , iconv |
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| 12:04.34 | fl0w | petemc: thank you! |
| 12:04.55 | nasowas | flOw: recode old..new, ex. recode latin1..utf8 <filename> |
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| 12:07.45 | fl0w | nasowas: thanks agagin |
| 12:07.54 | fl0w | s/whatever that was/again |
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| 12:31.20 | thesuliban1980 | trilobit: Thanks for your hint with the madwifi-hal driver. |
| 12:31.26 | thesuliban1980 | Seams as that did it. |
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| 12:31.42 | thesuliban1980 | after 2.6.26 boot no disconnection for more then 5 minutes now! |
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| 12:34.30 | trilobit` | thesuliban1980: good thing it worked. :) |
| 12:35.00 | trilobit` | thesuliban1980: Someone showed me to it, and as I understood it was more a hal issue than a madwifi driver. |
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| 12:35.52 | thesuliban1980 | I'll keep that in mind... |
| 12:36.07 | thesuliban1980 | Now I can proceed my actual work *g* Thanks & bye! |
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| 12:36.18 | trilobit` | thesuliban1980: also, it seemed this problem was happening more to 64bit archictectures. |
| 12:36.48 | abrotman | thesuliban1980: have you tried the ath5k stuff? |
| 12:36.53 | marcin | Hi, can U tell what is wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/d71996de5 It's strange, beacuse on the machine with the same sources.list everything works. |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | wouldn't that remove the need for the hal? |
| 12:37.11 | abrotman | marcin: paste your sources.list too |
| 12:37.26 | marcin | Ok, ok. |
| 12:37.40 | trilobit` | abrotman: I've seen that mentioned too that ath5k would remove the need for a hal, but I haven't tried either. |
| 12:37.41 | thesuliban1980 | No, not yet, I will try this one later, gotta care now about my customers.... this kernel upgrade kept my attention now for over 2 hours.... |
| 12:37.59 | abrotman | darn customers! |
| 12:38.31 | trilobit` | Except when they're sexy nakked young ladies :p |
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| 12:38.55 | marcin | Here is /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:38.58 | marcin | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:39.00 | marcin | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:39.04 | marcin | Sorry, for flood. |
| 12:39.33 | marcin | Just there URLs, how I have said before - these urls works on other machine. |
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| 12:40.52 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 12:41.04 | alex_alex | whats a forcable way to unmount a mount? ive tried umount -f but it still doesnt want to unmount, how can i really force the bugger to unmount? |
| 12:41.05 | trilobit` | marcin: both machines you try that, are 64bit machines ? |
| 12:41.05 | abrotman | you probably sohuldn't be using proposed-updates |
| 12:41.26 | tuxick | alex_alex: that's "to be implemented in 2020" |
| 12:41.26 | ComradeHaz | [13:41:02] <alex_alex> whats a forcable way to unmount a mount? ive tried umount -f but it still doesnt want to unmount, how can i really force the bugger to unmount? <--- reboot :D |
| 12:41.31 | abrotman | marcin: try apt-get update .. does that also go badly |
| 12:41.43 | marcin | trilobit`: no, one is 32 bit. |
| 12:41.44 | abrotman | alex_alex: what is the error it gives? |
| 12:41.51 | alex_alex | ComradeHaz: >< |
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| 12:42.01 | arkais | hi everyone |
| 12:42.02 | marcin | abrotman: I tried. |
| 12:42.03 | jon_ | proposed-updates for etch is just etch n a half isn't it? |
| 12:42.04 | trilobit` | marcin: the one that doesn't show errors is 32bit ? |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | marcin: same error? |
| 12:42.12 | marcin | trilobit`: excatly |
| 12:42.22 | abrotman | jon_: not anymore |
| 12:42.40 | jon_ | so etch n a half is released and a done deal |
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| 12:42.48 | telmich | hello |
| 12:42.50 | Sexy_guy | hello |
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| 12:43.00 | jon_ | dello |
| 12:43.02 | wols_ | jon_: long ago |
| 12:43.04 | marcin | trilobit`: do you thing that is there reason? Different archs? So security.debian.org doesn't work for 64bit machines? |
| 12:43.11 | Sexy_guy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | marcin: it does |
| 12:43.14 | telmich | what would you use under debian for virtualisation? I need about 3 to 8 virtual machines on a server |
| 12:43.16 | trilobit` | marcin: I'm not sure but it could be that the 64bit version of packages could be ammiss for some reason. |
| 12:43.25 | jon_ | thence or nowce |
| 12:43.29 | telmich | I thought about kvm |
| 12:43.36 | bolt-work | telmich: I use vmware server with great success |
| 12:43.45 | wols_ | jon_: virtualbox |
| 12:43.47 | jon_ | not understanding your question |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | marcin: form the broken machine .. does it tell you which IP you're using for security.debian.org ? |
| 12:43.52 | trilobit` | marcin: it could be. It might be a temporary problem though. Normally they're in sync. |
| 12:43.52 | telmich | but I am also searching for something that is good integrated into debian |
| 12:43.57 | bolt-work | telmich: though if all you need to emulate is linux machines, there are probably better alternatives |
| 12:44.00 | telmich | so the VMs come up on boot and that stuff |
| 12:44.09 | bolt-work | telmich: they all do that |
| 12:44.14 | abrotman | marcin: i'm asking because .. the security.d.o machine mine resolves to has those files |
| 12:44.21 | jon_ | wols_: sorry; what's that in answer to? |
| 12:44.35 | abrotman | marcin: does it normally work? |
| 12:44.47 | MrWGW | alright, got that unit turned back on |
| 12:44.50 | marcin | abrotman: I know that, it resolves from links, but for an example I can't download Release.gpg threw wget. |
| 12:44.56 | MrWGW | sry wrong channel |
| 12:45.10 | telmich | bolt-work: you mean like UML? |
| 12:45.20 | bolt-work | telmich: ? |
| 12:45.31 | telmich | user mode linux, bolt-work |
| 12:45.38 | abrotman | marcin: the URL is correct .. i can only assume it's a temporary mirror issue |
| 12:45.49 | telmich | the reason for setting up vms is to give people access to their own webstuff |
| 12:45.50 | jon_ | what is "whence you?" asking? |
| 12:46.24 | abrotman | marcin: my system grabbed the 212.x.x.x security.d.o mirror when i used wget to grab the file, and it got it successfully |
| 12:46.43 | Sexy_guy | write please personal message |
| 12:46.44 | Sexy_guy | write please personal message |
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| 12:47.22 | jon_ | Sexy_guy: columnar... |
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| 12:47.35 | abrotman | Sexy_guy: this is not a social channel, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 12:48.02 | idimmu | aaw |
| 12:48.13 | idimmu | he only wanted to make friends :o |
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| 12:48.29 | abrotman | he can try a social channel .. this isn't one |
| 12:48.35 | marcin | abrotman: for this link http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-amd64/Release wget says: 404, but links can view the file. |
| 12:48.47 | fietsbel | guys, I'm trying to make something |
| 12:48.53 | fietsbel | but am getting the following problem : http://pastebin.com/m1a8f778b |
| 12:48.57 | fietsbel | anyone got a clue what I"m missing? |
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| 12:49.11 | marcin | abrotman: The problem exists only for security.debian.org. |
| 12:49.12 | bolt-work | telmich: okay, but where does the UML come in? |
| 12:49.34 | abrotman | marcin: and it works fine here |
| 12:49.51 | telmich | bolt-work: well, I use it for cinit developing -- it's quite useful as a simple linux vm |
| 12:49.52 | abrotman | marcin: do you have anything in /etc/hosts about security.debian.org ? |
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| 12:50.20 | abrotman | marcin: or some sort of proxy? |
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| 12:50.35 | fietsbel | anyone got a clue what I'm missing? |
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| 12:50.42 | marcin | abrotman: no, there is no proxy. |
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| 12:51.06 | bolt-work | telmich: then use that |
| 12:51.52 | fietsbel | can anyone tell me what goes wrong in http://pastebin.com/m1a8f778b |
| 12:52.13 | braunkraut | sillly question, how do I remove a package with broken prerm and postrm scripts? Any way to skip the scripts? |
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| 12:59.07 | grirgz | hi |
| 12:59.15 | voltage` | hey grirgz |
| 12:59.31 | bolt-work | grirgz! haven't seen you since.... |
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| 12:59.36 | bolt-work | ..actually, i've never seen you |
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| 13:00.03 | grirgz | =) |
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| 13:00.39 | florist | braunkraut: You could edit the script and remove the offending lines? |
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| 13:00.53 | abrotman | marcin: and /etc/hosts ? |
| 13:00.54 | florist | I don't know of a command line flag way of disabling scripts. |
| 13:01.35 | jon_ | howbout: renaming them |
| 13:01.44 | marcin | abrotman: empty, just line for localhost |
| 13:01.53 | jon_ | howbout editing them so they exit |
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| 13:02.28 | grirgz | i am trying to compile a program (ncmpcpp) on etch, but it need the ncursesw5-config file, this file is only in the sid package of ncurses-bin and not on etch. i tried to recompile ncurses-bin from the sid source package, but no ncursesw5-config was generated, how can i get this file ? |
| 13:02.28 | abrotman | marcin: when you run the aptitude update .. does it show an IP? |
| 13:02.28 | jon_ | ignore me tho, because I don't know why you'd want to disable them so can't evaluate if it's a good idea |
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| 13:03.30 | marcin | No, I can see security.debian.org |
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| 13:05.51 | Borbus | Can anyone recommend some plotting software that can produce SVG? Not for plotting equations, just for plotting random points |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | marcin: so wget fails, and links works ? |
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| 13:06.08 | noborusa | i can not get helped in #iptables there people are idle |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | noborusa: how long did you wait? |
| 13:06.24 | noborusa | but i just need to know how to limit connections to port 80 that is all |
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| 13:06.39 | noborusa | abrotman, several minutes |
| 13:06.46 | noborusa | hi how are you , abrotman |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | how about 30 minutes? |
| 13:07.06 | noborusa | I will try. |
| 13:07.12 | marcin | abrotman: yes |
| 13:07.22 | abrotman | marcin: what does wget resolve to? |
| 13:07.27 | marcin | marcin: links doesn't use any proxy. I know, it sounds strange. |
| 13:07.33 | noborusa | by the way, anyone know in which version of kernel for debian that it will get ipconnlimit back ? |
| 13:07.46 | noborusa | by the time it is not included in mine :( |
| 13:08.03 | marcin | abrotman: 128.101.240.212 |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | http://128.101.240.212/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-amd64/ |
| 13:10.14 | braunkraut | florist: thanks for the tip. Was just curious whether there any dpkg options I was overlooking taht allowed me to skip the scripts altogether. |
| 13:10.27 | marcin | Whoa, it resolves to wrong address. |
| 13:10.38 | enouf | torrr: not sure if this info is applicable (since it's mentioned for releases from years ago, but) 2.6.16 has a CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES (though the arch is m68k http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.16/arch/m68k/Kconfig#L549) and see http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes (notice the info about "XkbModel") - also i'm curious how you're interfacing the old mac keyboard to a PC |
| 13:10.52 | marcin | I need to take a look closer at dns server, I go to my admin :) |
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| 13:11.47 | torrr | enouf, I am using freenx to log in to a debian machine |
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| 13:12.03 | Gregory[CH] | hello |
| 13:12.03 | lonecoder | Guys, how do you install a .deb as a regular user? |
| 13:12.13 | Gregory[CH] | dpkg -i pack.deb ? |
| 13:12.13 | dpkg | installs pack.deb into gregory[ch]'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 13:12.25 | idimmu | ouch |
| 13:12.50 | enouf | marcin: both wget and links2 works here on the url you posted |
| 13:12.57 | lonecoder | I would like to specify a PREFIX? |
| 13:12.59 | enouf | s/works/work |
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| 13:13.23 | abrotman | marcin: that IP is not in the DNS for security.debian.org |
| 13:13.24 | bolt-work | lonecoder: regular users don't install globally available software |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | enouf: try the one i posteed |
| 13:13.40 | enouf | marcin: i meant the DNS name |
| 13:13.44 | enouf | ok |
| 13:13.54 | themill | Borbus: pyx does PDF and EPS. There was talk of svg coming soon. Same for gri. Grace can also output a number of formats. |
| 13:14.05 | enouf | abrotman: right, no go Not Found The requested URL /dists/etch/updates/main/binary-amd64/ was not found on this server. |
| 13:14.09 | Gregory[CH] | brb |
| 13:14.22 | lonecoder | bolt-work, Indeed, so I can't install to my home directory or something? |
| 13:14.44 | wols_ | lonecoder: you can unpack to it tho |
| 13:14.50 | bolt-work | lonecoder: depends on what you're trying to install. you could perhaps do it in a chroot or something |
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| 13:15.14 | lonecoder | So nothing like --root for RPMs? |
| 13:15.27 | wols_ | lonecoder: there is |
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| 13:16.01 | wols_ | lonecoder: butyou still can't install as a regular user |
| 13:16.12 | lonecoder | wols, That's cool, I have root |
| 13:16.21 | bolt-work | ... |
| 13:16.24 | jon_ | hear you roar |
| 13:16.24 | wols_ | lonecoder: just unpack |
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| 13:16.42 | lonecoder | wols, K, thanks, enough for me to google my way from here, thank you |
| 13:16.44 | enouf | marcin: abrotman heh OrgName: University of Minnesota (128.101.240.212) |
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| 13:17.51 | alephant | Hi all... |
| 13:18.07 | bolt-work | hi you |
| 13:18.33 | alephant | ...is it possible to take an existing .deb, tear it open, modify it, put it back together? Rather than rebuilding the package from its sources? |
| 13:19.04 | abrotman | enouf: it is a debian mirror .. but not a security one |
| 13:19.32 | enouf | abrotman: aye --> Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at 128.101.240.212 Port 80 |
| 13:19.36 | idimmu | alephant: yes it is |
| 13:19.40 | noborusa | The server has high httpd processes in the meantime very less of mysqld,what would you think ? |
| 13:19.49 | abrotman | enouf: i mean |
| 13:19.50 | alephant | idimmu: what's the tool/process? |
| 13:19.54 | idimmu | 2 sex |
| 13:20.02 | abrotman | enouf: http://128.101.240.212/dists/etch/ .. debian mirror .. not security mirror |
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| 13:20.19 | noborusa | i check for example,some IPs were having too many connections stated as established to the server,i was guessing its a sort of attack something ? |
| 13:20.22 | idimmu | alephant: http://www.idimmu.net/2008/02/05/Changing-deb-package-architecture |
| 13:20.26 | enouf | abrotman: that too - and i realized what you meant just after i pasted that :-p |
| 13:20.35 | idimmu | that shows you how to tear the package apart and rebuild it |
| 13:21.26 | alephant | idimmu: awesome, thanks! |
| 13:21.28 | enouf | alephant: a .deb is an archive, use 'ar -x' or 'dpkg -x' see the relevant man pages |
| 13:21.29 | idimmu | np |
| 13:21.32 | alephant | right |
| 13:21.52 | alephant | I had assumed it was something this simple, since mc can look inside .debs |
| 13:22.03 | grirgz | no one has an idea for my problem ? |
| 13:22.06 | idimmu | yeah its not rocket science |
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| 13:22.17 | alephant | thx |
| 13:22.20 | alephant | waves byebye |
| 13:22.21 | enouf | grirgz: i missed it |
| 13:22.21 | idimmu | grirgz: wash the affected area twice a day and ask me again in a week if the rash still persists? |
| 13:22.36 | wols_ | grirgz: did you do a backport? |
| 13:22.37 | enouf | grirgz: wash, rinse, repeat? |
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| 13:22.55 | grirgz | i am trying to compile a program (ncmpcpp) on etch, but it need the ncursesw5-config file, this file is only in the sid package of ncurses-bin and not on etch. i tried to recompile ncurses-bin from the sid source package, but no ncursesw5-config was generated, how can i get this file ? |
| 13:23.14 | wols_ | grirgz: did you do a backport? |
| 13:23.18 | enouf | hrm - netcat+m<something>+c++ ? |
| 13:23.27 | enouf | er, c preprocessor |
| 13:23.45 | grirgz | wols_: i just compiled the source with make, i think this is not a backport ? |
| 13:23.56 | wols_ | no it's not. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:24.39 | enouf | ahh netcat+military police+c preprocessor :-) |
| 13:24.40 | grirgz | but i thought that all files will be generated even if i dont use debian tools |
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| 13:24.58 | wols_ | grirgz: you thought wrong |
| 13:25.02 | enouf | grirgz: no |
| 13:25.08 | wols_ | there are different ways to compile source |
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| 13:25.55 | OpenTokix | the working way and the gentoo-way |
| 13:26.09 | grirgz | ok, i will check this, thanks =) |
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| 13:33.25 | aBiNg | hi,anyone knows why sound-preferency testing failed. |
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| 13:33.39 | gangsterlicious | i have first block device at 15GB and new block device at 20GB (both LVM LVs). can i dd the 15gb=>20gb and expect to work? i'm not sure if dd can operate on different sizes or not |
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| 13:34.23 | OpenTokix | gangsterlicious: no, why can't you just rsync? |
| 13:34.34 | drbair_work | sure it will work |
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| 13:34.52 | aBiNg | gnome-sounds has been installed |
| 13:34.58 | drbair_work | the destination will still be formatted for 15GB though |
| 13:35.17 | gangsterlicious | OpenTokix: those are windows NTFS Xen domU slices :/ |
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| 13:35.37 | drbair_work | gangsterlicious: ntfsclone, ntfsresize |
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| 13:35.39 | OpenTokix | gangsterlicious: fail |
| 13:36.12 | drbair_work | er... if the volume represents a whole disk that will make it more tricky |
| 13:36.31 | gangsterlicious | drbair_work: yea, this is the case |
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| 13:37.01 | gangsterlicious | ok, thanks for the tips. windows team is going to love me...... |
| 13:37.09 | drbair_work | just dd it |
| 13:37.35 | drbair_work | or pvmove and lvresize |
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| 13:39.18 | drbair_work | I did have a script that would create devices for all the partitions in a disk image.... |
| 13:39.57 | MichaelScott | what is apt? |
| 13:40.14 | grirgz | wols_: when i execute apt-get build-dep ncurses-bin, it says that no version of debhelper can satisfy to the required version |
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| 13:41.29 | nocturn | I'm trying to install Debian on a system with an Intel ICH6R sata controller. |
| 13:41.45 | nocturn | the installer hangs after setting up lvm on formatting the partitions... |
| 13:41.48 | drbair_work | grirgz: aptitude update recently? |
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| 13:41.59 | nocturn | Tried Debian etch, lenny and ubuntu, all have the same issue |
| 13:42.00 | grirgz | yes, just before |
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| 13:42.08 | nocturn | CentOS however does not hang |
| 13:42.25 | grirgz | i followed the instructions from the dpkg bot |
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| 13:42.30 | abrotman | !tell MichaelScott1 about apt |
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| 13:43.44 | drbair_work | nocturn: perhaps drop to a console and see what it actually did |
| 13:43.54 | drbair_work | i think there's an installer log somwhere too... |
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| 13:44.25 | wols_ | grirgz: then you have a problem. debhelper is very hard to backport |
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| 13:45.02 | anddam | hi |
| 13:45.02 | nocturn | drbair_work: it's completely stuck (keyboard lights flashing, fans to max) |
| 13:45.09 | nocturn | only the power button helpts |
| 13:45.17 | gangsterlicious | drbair_work: the if= blk devices are actually LVM snapshots. dd seems to write out correct size matching the original LV |
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| 13:45.29 | bashShell12 | !ops hey guys, whats goin on |
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| 13:46.04 | drbair_work | gangsterlicious: right, you'll need to resize at the other end as dd is just a dumb block copy |
| 13:46.34 | drbair_work | probably doing that within the VM would be easiest |
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| 13:47.18 | anddam | I'm having this error when running autogen.sh for Trasmission svn sources, the problem seems to be related to autoconf http://codepad.org/vVjvKZUr , I'm on lenny and just installed the autotools, check http://codepad.org/fHHxxVev |
| 13:47.26 | grirgz | wols_: do you think there is a way to get the cursesw5-config ? for example by using the pkg-config tool (i found no *.pc files..) |
| 13:47.28 | anddam | any hint for the autoconf issue? |
| 13:47.40 | fietsbel | annyone here ever been hasling with lijnuxtv? |
| 13:47.54 | anddam | wols_: I wasn't able to find one of the macro in debian, namely isc-posix.m4 |
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| 13:48.35 | wols_ | !tell anddam about search |
| 13:49.00 | wols_ | grirgz: possibly. if you read the ncurses docs more carefully |
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| 13:50.52 | anddam | wols_: pdo reports it in sid, I was searching just in lenny... |
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| 13:51.09 | anddam | wols_: but is it normal that I should move macros by hand? |
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| 13:51.21 | norton- | Can I somehow revert a upgrade to get back to the state it was before, in some semi-automatic way? |
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| 13:53.27 | wols_ | norton-: no |
| 13:53.45 | enouf | grirgz: you might use chkinstall, but don't use that, especially with debian sources |
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| 13:54.28 | norton- | wols_: ok, thanks |
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| 14:00.52 | meeero | what libs or programs does KDE need to be able to convert images using the right-click on an image and Convert To >-menu? i have no entries there, nor gwenview can convert to any other format |
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| 14:02.21 | albano | alguem ai fala portuguez |
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| 14:03.05 | anddam | wols_: anyway, that file apart, it seems I've got a problem with autoconf |
| 14:03.17 | albano | brasil |
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| 14:09.24 | fietsbel | hej guys |
| 14:09.27 | fietsbel | what could be the problem here http://pastebin.com/m6add07d3 |
| 14:10.49 | rchi | Hi, I'm just reading up on how to painfully do data recovery on an ext3 file system.. I seem to need the 'dls' command. Does anyone know what debian package contains this utility? thanks |
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| 14:11.34 | theycallmebruce | hi all |
| 14:11.55 | theycallmebruce | I want to increase the size of a disk image I have |
| 14:12.16 | theycallmebruce | it is a 4GB image of a hard disk drive which contains an NTFS partition |
| 14:12.31 | theycallmebruce | and I want to use ntfsresize to up it to 5GB |
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| 14:13.11 | theycallmebruce | how do I point ntfsresize to the offset within the image file where the partition starts ? |
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| 14:15.26 | stew | rchi: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dls&mode=path&suite=stable |
| 14:17.05 | jon_ | theycallmebruce: write it to a partition, have it be a working, unoffset partition that mounts and functions normally, and have that partition be the increased size before you do the resize |
| 14:17.06 | drbair_work | theycallmebruce: try mounting it as a loopback image starting at the offset for the partition |
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| 14:17.52 | jon_ | drbair_work: he hasn't said whether the image is large enough for the resized result |
| 14:18.05 | theycallmebruce | thank you jon, drbair |
| 14:18.09 | rchi | stew, cheers |
| 14:18.11 | theycallmebruce | the image is not at the moment |
| 14:18.18 | theycallmebruce | but I guess I could append zeroes to it |
| 14:18.43 | jon_ | I dunno how you would go about resizing it under those conditions |
| 14:18.54 | drbair_work | keep a backup handy! |
| 14:19.01 | theycallmebruce | yeah :) |
| 14:19.02 | jon_ | in my opinion, there's too much going on |
| 14:19.46 | jon_ | disk space is too cheap to not write it to a partition |
| 14:21.09 | theycallmebruce | ok so let me make sure I understand you: I should create a new paritition on my actual disk, and dd the partition from the image file onto the partition |
| 14:21.29 | theycallmebruce | onto the new partition on my disk |
| 14:21.37 | jon_ | right, additionally, the partition should be the new larger size |
| 14:21.50 | theycallmebruce | gotcha, then dd it back into a new image |
| 14:22.01 | jon_ | why is it offset? |
| 14:22.39 | theycallmebruce | it is the only partition on the disk, other than that it is just the MBR / partition tables etc before it |
| 14:22.49 | jon_ | oic |
| 14:22.50 | theycallmebruce | but ntfsresize doesn't seem to work on an image of a whole disk |
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| 14:23.24 | a_godumov | is there somebody with iwl4965 wireless card? |
| 14:23.37 | a_godumov | i am trying to make an ad hoc network but i cannot do that |
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| 14:24.55 | wols_ | a_godumov: if you want more help we need more infos |
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| 14:31.18 | nocturn | I tried all the actions the installed does manually from VT2 |
| 14:31.34 | nocturn | partition, create Volumes and format |
| 14:31.39 | nocturn | and it works... |
| 14:31.47 | nocturn | it seems to be partman that causes the hang! |
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| 14:32.16 | wols_ | nocturn: you sur it's not whatever comas AFTER partman? |
| 14:32.29 | samantha-b- | is there a utility that will count the number of files in a directory tree? du gives size ... what gives count? |
| 14:32.29 | wols_ | btw: if it is partman, you can simply not use it in the installer |
| 14:32.38 | nocturn | wols_: |
| 14:32.52 | nocturn | no, it reaches 33% on the progress bar and then hangs |
| 14:33.13 | wols_ | thn do it manually and simply tell the installer what is / |
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| 14:33.29 | nocturn | wols_: how do I do that? |
| 14:33.58 | nocturn | After I did that from the console I was still stuck in partion disks in the installer |
| 14:33.58 | anddam | bye |
| 14:34.00 | abrotman | samantha-b-: find . | wc -l |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | alter find to show what you want |
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| 14:34.48 | wols_ | nocturn: but partman doesn't have to do anything like make those partitions |
| 14:34.51 | fietsbel | hej guys, can anyone help me I'm having a problem making some stuff |
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| 14:35.04 | wols_ | fietsbel: never ask to ask |
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| 14:35.35 | fietsbel | I'm not asking to ask |
| 14:35.36 | fietsbel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.40 | fietsbel | I'm getting that error |
| 14:36.06 | wols_ | fietsbel: doing what? nvidia .run installer? |
| 14:36.11 | nocturn | wols_: how would I do this all manually? I tried but then the installer insists on formatting the disks |
| 14:36.13 | fietsbel | no |
| 14:36.20 | fietsbel | trying to install mantis drivers for a dvb-c card |
| 14:36.22 | wols_ | nocturn: format beforehand |
| 14:36.27 | fietsbel | at least, trying to make the drivers |
| 14:36.38 | wols_ | thzen find out where this basic/Makefile is |
| 14:36.42 | fietsbel | wols_ http://pastebin.com/m6add07d3 |
| 14:36.48 | nocturn | wols_: did that, but how do I tell the installer where root, var etc areN |
| 14:37.31 | nocturn | BTW, on Ubuntu, I actually saw some warning about partman using a deprecated interface |
| 14:37.32 | wols_ | nocturn: that you need partman for. |
| 14:37.46 | wols_ | nocturn: we don't give a fuck about ubuntu |
| 14:37.51 | nocturn | wols_: but then it will format them again... |
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| 14:38.06 | nocturn | wols_: no prob, but it uses the same installer (and shows the same problem) |
| 14:38.25 | nocturn | I'm installing debian Lenny (but Etch shares the problem) |
| 14:38.33 | wols_ | nocturn: where did you get the kernel sources? and what sources have you installed and how? |
| 14:38.51 | nocturn | no sources, I have the Lenny install CD #1 |
| 14:39.06 | nocturn | did the fdisk and volume management from another VT console |
| 14:39.09 | wols_ | nocturn: sorry. was for fietsbel |
| 14:39.19 | nocturn | :-) |
| 14:39.20 | wols_ | nocturn: do the mkfs too |
| 14:39.28 | nocturn | wols_: I did |
| 14:39.33 | wols_ | fietsbel: where did you get the kernel sources? and what sources have you installed and how? |
| 14:40.14 | fietsbel | I got the kernel sources via apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 14:41.08 | thesnark | where is the file sources.list? |
| 14:41.11 | Hydroxide | fietsbel: that's not in lenny, only etch |
| 14:41.22 | Hydroxide | thesnark: /etc/apt/ |
| 14:41.28 | thesnark | ty Hydroxide |
| 14:41.41 | Hydroxide | np |
| 14:42.14 | nocturn | Found the answer on the Ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4931352 |
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| 14:42.36 | fietsbel | Hydroxide I'm using etch |
| 14:42.46 | fietsbel | why did you assume I use lenny? |
| 14:43.02 | wols_ | fietsbel: this mantis driver is patching the kernel sources? |
| 14:43.24 | Hydroxide | fietsbel: might have confused you with nocturn, sorry |
| 14:43.42 | wols_ | nocturn: I told you long ago to skip it |
| 14:44.05 | a_godumov | i have a 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) wireless lan |
| 14:44.15 | a_godumov | what i am trying to do is to set up an ad hoc network |
| 14:44.31 | wols_ | a_godumov: and what I told you is we need more info if you want help |
| 14:44.45 | nocturn | wols_: thanks for your help, but I was asking how to skip it |
| 14:44.49 | a_godumov | i configured the network through /etc/network/interfaces - i configured the essid the key and the mod (wireless-mode Ad-Hoc) |
| 14:45.11 | a_godumov | however when i do /etc/inid.d/networking restart i get this error |
| 14:45.17 | wols_ | !enter |
| 14:45.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 14:45.29 | a_godumov | debian:/etc/wpa_supplicant# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:45.30 | a_godumov | Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 14:45.30 | a_godumov | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 14:45.30 | a_godumov | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.30 | a_godumov | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 14:45.30 | a_godumov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.41 | joltcan | paste in channel ftw! |
| 14:45.42 | geek__ | *sigh8 |
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| 14:45.49 | themill | dpkg: tell a_godumov about paste |
| 14:45.57 | fietsbel | I have no clue what those mantis make file is doing |
| 14:46.02 | fietsbel | wols_ |
| 14:46.11 | wols_ | fietsbel: then look at it. you have the sources |
| 14:46.56 | wols_ | fietsbel: mantis is in debian. just not in etch. use a backport |
| 14:47.06 | wols_ | oops. that's mantis the php thing |
| 14:47.34 | fietsbel | :P |
| 14:47.34 | themill | Apps should pick uuids, not names. |
| 14:47.35 | fietsbel | yes |
| 14:47.53 | fietsbel | talking about this mantis http://jusst.de/hg/mantis wols_ |
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| 14:48.18 | fietsbel | gonna update my system |
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| 14:49.23 | wols_ | fietsbel: for what? |
| 14:50.47 | a_godumov | so does anybody have any idea where the problem could be? |
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| 14:51.14 | bolt-work | between the keyboard and the chair! :D |
| 14:51.18 | fietsbel | how can I update my system to testing? |
| 14:51.19 | a_godumov | i have installed the firmware and i am using debian unstalbe withe kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 14:51.38 | bolt-work | !tell fietsbel about etch->lenny |
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| 14:52.13 | a_godumov | i think that my interfaces files is properly configured at least it has worked in previeous circumstances |
| 14:52.25 | bolt-work | a_godumov: if you're using unstable, you should know how to fix this kind of issue |
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| 14:52.50 | a_godumov | ohh, i`ve noticed simular problems in Fedora, Gentoo, Ubuntu and testing |
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| 14:53.01 | a_godumov | with bcm4318 wireless card |
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| 14:53.27 | a_godumov | i have had problems with wireless ad hoc networks ever since kernel 2.6.24 |
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| 14:53.40 | bolt-work | a_godumov: then google is your friend, i guess. you're not going to get much support for unstable here. |
| 14:53.44 | a_godumov | also i need the newer kernel for the better hardware support |
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| 14:54.09 | a_godumov | well i`ve been searching in google for the last week... |
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| 14:54.39 | a_godumov | i found threads about simular problems (inability to create ad hoc networks) in the ubuntu forums but no solution |
| 14:54.53 | bolt-work | a_godumov: try another wireless card then, perhaps? |
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| 14:55.05 | Niek | is there an easy way to ask Debian what download speed and what upload speed I am currently 'using' ? |
| 14:55.08 | a_godumov | i just wondered if somebody around here had the same card - iwl4965 |
| 14:55.16 | bolt-work | Niek: ntop is nice |
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| 14:55.22 | a_godumov | i cannot - it`s a laptop |
| 14:55.28 | a_godumov | so i can`t change the card |
| 14:55.28 | asg | Niek: nload is a simple console graph |
| 14:55.41 | Niek | I just want the numbers |
| 14:55.41 | bolt-work | a_godumov: sure it's onboard? might be minipci? |
| 14:55.59 | a_godumov | beseides the iwl4965 is well supported in linux - if it`s not working i don`t see which one could be working |
| 14:56.15 | a_godumov | i`ve had the same problems with broadcom bcm4318 on another laptop |
| 14:56.21 | bolt-work | a_godumov: I changed an old wireless card in a laptop last week. minipci is quite popular on ebay. got a nice 600mW card in there now :) |
| 14:56.41 | a_godumov | the problems started ever since they introduced the changes in kernel 2.6.24 |
| 14:56.44 | thesnark | Does anybody know what compiler I need for Fortran90 code? |
| 14:56.54 | asg | Niek: then use the RX/TX data from /sbin/ifconfig and roll your own |
| 14:57.01 | a_godumov | after that i have a lot of difficulties making ad-hoc network |
| 14:57.04 | Niek | okay |
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| 14:57.14 | a_godumov | managed mode with netowork-manager works though... |
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| 14:57.23 | albano | daniel brasil na area |
| 14:57.28 | albano | cade os irmao |
| 14:57.41 | stew | !br |
| 14:57.41 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:57.41 | bolt-work | albano: why the fuck do you expect us to understand that? |
| 14:57.46 | bolt-work | gah |
| 14:57.48 | stew | bolt-work: easy |
| 14:57.53 | albano | no ingez |
| 14:58.06 | Niek | asg: the ifconfig command just shows me this: "RX packets:362150 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0", but that isn't a speed. |
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| 14:58.20 | bolt-work | stew: sorry. those people just get on my nerves sometimes. |
| 14:58.30 | albano | alo |
| 14:58.39 | theycallmebruce | OK, so I appended zeroes to the file with dd |
| 14:58.40 | a_godumov | so more info on the problems |
| 14:58.47 | theycallmebruce | and a mounted the disk image to /dev/loop0 |
| 14:58.47 | stew | albano: please go to #debian-br ; english only in here |
| 14:58.50 | asg | Niek: no, you need to take serveral measurments over time and do the necessary math |
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| 14:58.56 | a_godumov | if i try to create a network the other computer seess it and connects |
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| 14:59.04 | theycallmebruce | now, how do i specify to run ntfsresize on the partition in the loop? |
| 14:59.07 | r121 | ok, colour me confused. I'm trying to run iceweasel/firefox over ssh X forwarding, and since there's already a firefox process running on the host, it gives me the "there's already a firefox running and it's not responding" message. I don't want to kill the firefox process that's already running, I just want a new window where I'm at. So I tried a few things like -a and -no-remote to no avail, and when I tried -new-win |
| 14:59.07 | r121 | dow, the remote computer somehow informs the firefox process on THIS computer that it should open a new window, not the remote computer. I'm not sure how that works. |
| 14:59.11 | a_godumov | but then disconnects after several minutes |
| 14:59.12 | Niek | asg: i can see the number of bytes. So just request the amount of bytes, and I could calculate it ? |
| 14:59.23 | theycallmebruce | if I fdisk /dev/loop0 it shows me the partition as /dev/loop0p1 |
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| 14:59.30 | theycallmebruce | but there is no such device in /dev ... |
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| 15:00.06 | Niek | asg: i can see the number of bytes. So just request the amount of bytes, and I could calculate it ? |
| 15:00.09 | Niek | oops |
| 15:00.17 | Niek | that was an accident, |
| 15:00.30 | bolt-work | a_godumov: i would suggest seeing if your laptop's wireless card is minipci or minipci-e, and if so, change it. or go back to a kernel that works for you and make the other stuff work with that. and report bugs. or just buy a micro access point :) |
| 15:00.50 | asg | Niek: take measurement, wait a second, take another, subtract the former from the latter and you get X/s |
| 15:00.55 | theycallmebruce | oh I see I need an offset |
| 15:01.04 | Niek | okay asg. Thank you. |
| 15:01.04 | jelly-home | r121: can you start it as firefox -ProfileManager and use a different profile than the one already running on the remote machine? |
| 15:01.29 | asg | Niek: there's probably a packaged script to do it, I just don't know offhand what it might be. apt-cache search bandwidth may be worth looking at |
| 15:01.45 | Niek | okay |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | Niek: jnettop is decent enough |
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| 15:02.23 | albano | ello |
| 15:02.34 | albano | alguem pt br |
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| 15:02.47 | wols_ | !br |
| 15:02.47 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:03.09 | Niek | abrotman: I see, nice app :) |
| 15:03.16 | wols_ | Niek: iptraf |
| 15:03.35 | r121 | jelly-home: yeah, that looks like it will work, I kind of wanted to use my own profile though, that's why I was trying to run it over ssh instead of just running the local firefox |
| 15:04.01 | albano | ; |
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| 15:04.13 | jelly-home | r121: can't make two instances use the same profile simultaneously |
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| 15:04.20 | albano | preconceito contra brasil |
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| 15:04.30 | abrotman | albano: #debian-br |
| 15:05.11 | irieKEN | Hello, does anyone know where the drive values for the Automagic Kernel Generation (grub menu) come from? It keeps generating entries with hd(2,0) instead of the correct hd(0,0) when I do kernel updates. |
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| 15:05.25 | jelly-home | albano: Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/join #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:05.35 | wols_ | irieKEN: from menu.lst # groot= |
| 15:05.53 | r121 | jelly-home: that's what I figured. I'd be fine with the already running process just opening a new window for me, but I suppose maybe it can't have two windows being sent to 2 different X servers |
| 15:06.00 | irieKEN | wold_: Really? It's that simple?:) Thanks:D |
| 15:06.01 | jelly-home | perhaps the tard doesn't get what the bot said means him |
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| 15:06.29 | abrotman | albano: use #debian-br |
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| 15:07.44 | brad_ | hey, how hard would it be to convert my installer cd into a X -query cd ? |
| 15:07.56 | wols_ | what is a X -query cd? |
| 15:08.03 | brad_ | ok |
| 15:08.11 | jelly-home | livecd thin client? |
| 15:08.15 | wols_ | brad_: non sequitur |
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| 15:08.31 | albano | I am of the brasil somebody he/she speaks portuguez |
| 15:08.39 | jelly-home | brad_: /msg dpkg livecd |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | albano: go to #debian-br |
| 15:08.43 | brad_ | I want to boot off my this computers, over the network, but instead of running install, i want to mount a smb/nfs system, chroot to it and run X-query |
| 15:08.44 | wols_ | albano: no one does. go to #debian-br |
| 15:08.54 | abrotman | albano: in your IRC client .. type "/join #debian-br" |
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| 15:09.31 | wols_ | brad_: not needed. google "nfs root filesystem" |
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| 15:12.43 | brad_ | that looks like it |
| 15:13.02 | brad_ | the idea is to do a network boot, then turn that computer into a thin client |
| 15:13.18 | brad_ | i bet there are some premade images |
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| 15:14.11 | Voltage` | Anyone have a recommended way to add more screen resolutions in debian etch? |
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| 15:16.48 | EagleScreen | Voltage` did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 15:19.06 | pipegeek | buh? |
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| 15:19.21 | pipegeek | Oh, interesting, my name came up by accident in a discussion around 3am |
| 15:19.31 | Hydroxide | pipegeek: wasn't me :) |
| 15:19.35 | pipegeek | hehe, hi |
| 15:19.39 | Hydroxide | hi |
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| 15:27.28 | trilobit` | What does this message mean? TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 212.55.221.162:25/1612 shrinks window 3807174802:3807176215. Repaired. |
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| 15:29.32 | grirgz | wols_: i solved my problem by simply copying the ncursesw5-config file from my sid box to my etch box, 2 days to figure that.. grr... :p |
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| 15:32.09 | abrotman | wrong channel? |
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| 15:43.25 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:43.25 | dpkg | <jpinx> can I edit sources.list in windows wordpad without screwing it up? * jpinx has an e2fs reader in XP |
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| 15:44.00 | Kovensky | !quotd1 |
| 15:44.04 | Kovensky | !qotd1 |
| 15:44.04 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 15:44.21 | RichiH | yay, quote time |
| 15:44.25 | RichiH | !qotd |
| 15:44.25 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 221 (2008-08-30) |
| 15:44.28 | RichiH | !qotd0 |
| 15:44.28 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 15:44.49 | RichiH | !literal qotdx |
| 15:44.49 | dpkg | "qotdx" is "<reply>no voted replaceables in the queue" |
| 15:45.18 | RichiH | !qotd =~ s/literal qotdx/qotdx/ |
| 15:45.18 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
| 15:45.58 | Kovensky | !qotd |
| 15:45.58 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 221 (2008-08-30) |
| 15:46.16 | RichiH | !qotd0 |
| 15:46.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd72 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 15:46.34 | adama_ | !qotd2 |
| 15:46.34 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 15:46.35 | Jester45_ | Does Fenian have any mpi type hpc guides |
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| 15:47.27 | jelly-home | RichiH: what's going on? |
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| 15:47.45 | RichiH | jelly-home: do what i told you |
| 15:47.52 | RichiH | jelly-home: do it, you know you want to |
| 15:47.57 | jelly-home | RichiH: you seem to have mistakenly sent a private message to me. |
| 15:48.00 | RichiH | looks in a seductive way |
| 15:48.09 | RichiH | jelly-home: nope, that was on purpose |
| 15:48.12 | jelly-home | not likely, punk |
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| 15:48.35 | RichiH | pft, i r0cked those streets before you shat your pants, kid |
| 15:48.39 | theycallmebruce | finally managed to do it :) ended up mounting it as loop with an offset. thanks! |
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| 15:55.50 | torrr | which package has the source for setxkbmap? |
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| 15:57.26 | |fluxdude| | I've remove and reinstalled my kernel via apt-get but it does not seem to be creating the grub auto-magic kernel stanzas. I can easily write my own, but I want it to do this automatically as part of the managed build, any ideas how to get it to do this? |
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| 15:58.09 | |fluxdude| | the menu.lst is there and there are the auto-magic kernel comment boundaries, why is it not updating the section? It did remove the stanza when I removed the kernel, but it's not putting it back when I re apt-get it... |
| 15:58.11 | |fluxdude| | any ideas? |
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| 15:58.54 | denken | |fluxdude|: does the content of /boot/grub/device.map agree with your actual boot devices? |
| 15:59.08 | stew | |fluxdude|: does "update-grub" add the missing stanzas? |
| 15:59.24 | denken | stew: ah yes heh. im assuming it doesnt. |
| 15:59.29 | denken | but yes, does it? |
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| 16:01.25 | |fluxdude| | denken: there is no /boot/grub/device.map file... |
| 16:01.49 | Speereet | Hello. I'm looking for a GUI to let my users change their system passwords. The interface from gnome-about-me (debian etch) crashes, and I don't know why. passwd works well, but it's too scary for my users. |
| 16:01.50 | denken | that would present a problem |
| 16:02.11 | |fluxdude| | stew: ah yes, thanks, that does it, wonder why the apt-get sometimes does that and sometimes doesn't? |
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| 16:02.21 | |fluxdude| | is update-grub the debian-specific way of handling this? |
| 16:02.34 | stew | |fluxdude|: check that update-grub is listed in the prerm/postinst hooks in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:02.43 | denken | |fluxdude|: any kernel .deb should call update-grub post install |
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| 16:02.48 | denken | *should* |
| 16:03.19 | denken | im no grub expert but i dont see how update-grub can function with a missing device.map file though |
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| 16:03.25 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 16:03.33 | pgpkeys | pokes denken with a sharp pointy stick |
| 16:03.34 | wols_ | denken: IIRC it won't |
| 16:03.49 | denken | pgpkeys: ow my eye |
| 16:03.49 | Tetracomm | I am going to download the Debian Lenny live cd with GNOME now, is this the right link?: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 16:04.05 | pgpkeys | denken - morning |
| 16:04.22 | denken | pgpkeys: morning sir |
| 16:04.27 | paxcoder | ppl, what prog can do this: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060118155841115 |
| 16:04.47 | pgpkeys | denken - you of all people calling *me* sir? why i oughta... |
| 16:04.48 | paxcoder | i want to be able to write a script that will analyze such output. |
| 16:05.19 | paxcoder | any ideas? |
| 16:05.35 | denken | pgpkeys: a slip i assure you |
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| 16:06.02 | pgpkeys | denken - thank the lucky stars. :) back in a bit. looking for the DVD install image |
| 16:06.22 | Tetracomm | Is this the right link?: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 16:06.50 | paxcoder | yeah, you have debian-offtopic for that. I'm making an important ot question :-) |
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| 16:07.06 | paxcoder | Tetracomm: I'd say yes |
| 16:07.09 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 16:07.11 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 16:07.13 | paxcoder | np |
| 16:07.22 | |fluxdude| | denken: ok thanks, I needed to run grub-install which has put the device.map file there as well as the bootloader stages etc |
| 16:07.37 | Speereet | Do you know any guys to change the password? |
| 16:07.47 | Speereet | GUIs, I mean... |
| 16:07.49 | paxcoder | passwd |
| 16:07.53 | paxcoder | huh? |
| 16:08.03 | Speereet | paxcoder: that in CLI. |
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| 16:08.18 | Speereet | paxcoder: that's in cli (damn, I need a coffee.) |
| 16:08.21 | paxcoder | Speereet: it really isn't complicated |
| 16:08.31 | paxcoder | you just type passwd |
| 16:08.34 | Speereet | Oh, yeah, it is... |
| 16:08.36 | paxcoder | get asked for a current |
| 16:08.41 | paxcoder | and type new twice |
| 16:08.47 | paxcoder | Speereet: oh no it isn't |
| 16:08.56 | biopyte | hello, any recommendations for a usb-TV-stick to be used on a lenny notebook ? terratec, hauppauge, others ...? |
| 16:09.14 | paxcoder | biopyte: no idea. |
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| 16:09.40 | Speereet | paxcoder: it is... You see, my users don't even know what is a CLI, or console, or whatever. I must have it REALLY simple. |
| 16:09.48 | Speereet | *is |
| 16:10.11 | paxcoder | Speereet: well, it can't get simpler than that, but you could go click-a-lot |
| 16:10.13 | paxcoder | lemme see... |
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| 16:10.43 | Speereet | I'd rather write my own GUI? I'm new to this... Is piping the password typed by the user into passwd secure enough? |
| 16:10.56 | wald0 | when a FS (jfs) is damaged by a lot of forced reboots, is the FS damaged or only the files ? so i have erased anything and installed debian without format the partition and the computer has not possible to boot correctly with kernel panics and similar things |
| 16:11.09 | paxcoder | Speereet: hmm.... good question |
| 16:11.27 | paxcoder | lol a gui front for passwd |
| 16:11.44 | tuxick | people not capable of typing "passwd" shouldn't be allowed near the system anyway |
| 16:11.44 | Speereet | paxcoder: there's nothing funny about that. |
| 16:12.04 | trumpen | biopyte, if you haven't bought one yet, I suggest you to read here first: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices |
| 16:12.12 | paxcoder | Speereet: i guess when we talk money it isn't |
| 16:12.17 | paxcoder | but it normally is |
| 16:13.22 | Speereet | You see, I installed ten machines with debian stable in a public institution to replace WindowsXP and Vista... Getting these guys into the CLI is not the way to make them see that we're right. That's the wrong attitude. |
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| 16:14.09 | biopyte | trumpen, ok thank you |
| 16:14.10 | paxcoder | Speereet: you can fool some people for some time... |
| 16:14.28 | paxcoder | anyway, what comes to my mind is either really gui, or PHP. That'd be easier |
| 16:14.32 | pgpkeys | I'm looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-dvd/ and I see debian-update-4.0r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent. If i grab this one that will grab me the fixed DVD1 correct? while debian-40r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent will grab me the originally released image? |
| 16:14.42 | tuxick | Speereet: ah you should have installed kubuntu |
| 16:14.44 | paxcoder | Speereet: wait. it wouldn't.... maybe. hmmm |
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| 16:15.16 | biopyte | trumpen, anyway, you recommend a certain product or heard of it ? |
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| 16:16.42 | paxcoder | Speereet: tell me what you decide to do. I find this amusing. (just a tad sad, on GNU/Linux part, but mostly amusing on Windows part) |
| 16:16.45 | trumpen | biopyte, I have tested only pci cards but I have heard very nice comments from hauppauge users... |
| 16:17.21 | abi- | Hi. Are there python2.6 packages for debian somewhere? I know it's not in sid or experimental but maybe there is some third party package somewhere my google-fu couldn't pick it up? |
| 16:17.26 | wols_ | wald0: filesystem usually |
| 16:17.29 | paxcoder | Speereet: oh, if you want, I could code it in PHP for you. I need buxiz. |
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| 16:18.03 | Speereet | paxcoder: that's enough. I already got your point. |
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| 16:18.37 | paxcoder | Speereet: what? I'm being serious. If you don't feel like doing it, I need a job |
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| 16:18.57 | biopyte | trumpen, ok, thx, bye |
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| 16:19.18 | paxcoder | !debhelper |
| 16:19.18 | dpkg | i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 16:19.50 | wald0 | wols_: so is needed to reformat it right ? i can't simply overwrite on it |
| 16:20.41 | Speereet | paxcoder: sure, I can get you a little job. This lady I just met is asking for a small course on using Vista. Since I don't know how to work on it, I must find someone to. She won't pay you much, but it won't leave you starving. |
| 16:21.15 | paxcoder | Speereet: yeah... vista. That's Windows XP theme right? |
| 16:21.20 | geek__ | lol |
| 16:22.16 | Speereet | paxcoder: I don't know... That's why I'm looking for someone else. |
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| 16:22.45 | paxcoder | Speereet: Really. I can make it nice and smooth. Big buttons if you want :-) |
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| 16:24.19 | tuxick | i'm quite sure kubuntu has a password clickhere |
| 16:24.44 | paxcoder | tuxick: you can change it in GNOME too, but you need to give admin pass first |
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| 16:26.45 | jelly-home | Speereet: like kdepasswd? |
| 16:27.09 | paxcoder | jelly-home: that's a joke right? |
| 16:27.15 | paxcoder | gpasswd XD |
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| 16:27.48 | paxcoder | *that should be capital G, actually (gnome vs gnu) |
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| 16:29.12 | jelly-home | Speereet: "apt-cache search passwd" also offers "usermode" |
| 16:29.49 | jelly-home | paxcoder: I'm not a gnome user |
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| 16:30.36 | paxcoder | jelly-home: hmm. I'm not exactly sure why you said that... :-/ |
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| 16:31.38 | paxcoder | jelly-home: what tool to use to compare two files, like here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060118155841115 |
| 16:31.40 | jelly-home | paxcoder: you seemed to have offered a possible gnome-specific solution |
| 16:32.02 | paxcoder | jelly-home: i was making a joke. I hoped you were too. |
| 16:32.11 | jelly-home | paxcoder: I wasn't |
| 16:32.16 | paxcoder | Didn't know there really was a KDE GUI front for passwd |
| 16:32.24 | jelly-home | front? |
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| 16:32.42 | paxcoder | !front |
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| 16:32.45 | paxcoder | hmmm |
| 16:32.48 | jelly-home | it's a simple api, no need to call /bin/passwd in the background |
| 16:32.50 | paxcoder | yes front :-) |
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| 16:32.58 | paxcoder | jelly-home: oh |
| 16:33.18 | paxcoder | and it's standalone? is it integrated in KDE? |
| 16:33.25 | maligor | no shell middle-end then ;) |
| 16:33.53 | jelly-home | paxcoder: you can use apt-cache as well as me (and the original user) |
| 16:34.44 | paxcoder | jelly-home: somehow i still like talking to real ppl than shell |
| 16:34.51 | paxcoder | *rather |
| 16:35.11 | jelly-home | I didn't install it. |
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| 16:36.00 | paxcoder | jelly-home: I lost you. I'm not sure where tho. But I definitely did |
| 16:36.27 | jelly-home | paxcoder: I just offered him an alternative found via apt |
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| 16:36.49 | paxcoder | jelly-home: yes, but why did you say I should've used it? |
| 16:36.54 | jelly-home | I didn't? |
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| 16:37.07 | paxcoder | <jelly-home> paxcoder: you can use apt-cache as well as me |
| 16:37.19 | paxcoder | wah nevermind |
| 16:37.25 | paxcoder | dumb anyway |
| 16:37.36 | jelly-home | paxcoder: [...] to find out about kdefoo |
| 16:37.43 | jelly-home | implide |
| 16:38.01 | paxcoder | jelly-home: that's what I thought. then i replied I like chatting with real people |
| 16:38.10 | paxcoder | then you said "I didn't install it" |
| 16:38.23 | paxcoder | and I guess there is where we went separate ways |
| 16:38.58 | jelly-home | ah, I had no additional info about the app, so I suggested doing your own legwork if you were really interested |
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| 16:39.21 | paxcoder | jelly-home: oh. hard to say dunno i guess X-P |
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| 16:39.43 | paxcoder | did you notice i guess a lot of things these days? |
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| 16:39.52 | jelly-home | dunno |
| 16:39.55 | paxcoder | jelly-home: XD |
| 16:40.07 | jelly-home | it works. |
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| 16:40.40 | paxcoder | !banana |
| 16:40.45 | paxcoder | !bananna |
| 16:40.51 | paxcoder | no? |
| 16:40.52 | paxcoder | ok |
| 16:41.04 | jelly-home | !listkeys banana |
| 16:41.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'banana' by key (8): bananananana ;; #debian bananas ;; bananas ;; #debian bananas! ;; bananaphone ;; #debian banana ;; _default bananananana ;; _default banana. |
| 16:41.30 | paxcoder | jelly-home: now that was leet |
| 16:41.38 | paxcoder | which one can i eat? |
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| 16:42.01 | jelly-home | dunno |
| 16:42.07 | paxcoder | XD |
| 16:42.38 | paxcoder | look, there are people who are more lame then me: |
| 16:42.42 | paxcoder | !bananaphone |
| 16:42.42 | dpkg | ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring BANANAPHONE! |
| 16:42.44 | jelly-home | apparently it's easier than I previously thought |
| 16:43.04 | paxcoder | jelly-home: you just have to start. |
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| 16:43.24 | paxcoder | i can prolly do like 4 in a row already. |
| 16:43.51 | paxcoder | jelly-home: ok, i'm going now before I get us both banned |
| 16:43.52 | paxcoder | bb |
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| 16:44.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.32 | dury | hi there all :) |
| 16:44.34 | paxcoder | thinks: how rude... and then quits |
| 16:44.35 | wols_ | wald0: you need to fsck it |
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| 16:45.01 | wald0 | wols_: that's not should be done in the booting process ? |
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| 16:46.09 | wols_ | wald0: ideally you do it from a livecd |
| 16:46.16 | dury | wols: is it possible to put my photos in xscreensaver |
| 16:46.41 | wols_ | how would I know? probably |
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| 16:48.19 | dury | wols: I don't know how is it....that's why I'm asking |
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| 16:48.27 | py_ | hello |
| 16:48.31 | dury | anyway |
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| 16:49.10 | py_ | which is the script called at shutdown to delete /tmp content? |
| 16:49.45 | wols_ | py_: none. it's on bootup |
| 16:50.11 | py_ | wols_: oh, same question but at bootup then :-) |
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| 16:51.22 | wols_ | py_: then look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:52.08 | avu | py_, /lib/init/bootclean.sh |
| 16:52.19 | avu | py_, called by init.d/mounall-bootclean.sh |
| 16:52.23 | avu | mountall even |
| 16:52.34 | py_ | thanks wols_ and avu, thats what I was looking for |
| 16:54.41 | abi- | hm, could just using uupdate(1) on the python2.5 package be dangerous as python2.5 is the default python and thus contains 'make me the default'-magic? |
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| 16:54.59 | abi- | or is that magic done by some other complementary package? |
| 16:55.56 | jelly-home | abi-: ... you have to ask yourself, does it make itself default, or does it make 2.5 default? Do you feel lucky, punk? |
| 16:56.32 | abi- | jelly-home: not really :-) |
| 16:56.40 | abi- | jelly-home: I just want python 2.6 :( |
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| 16:57.07 | jelly-home | meh, build and install in /opt/python or wherever |
| 16:57.43 | abi- | I fear having software not managed by dpkg installed on my system |
| 16:57.47 | jelly-home | from future import debian_2.6_packaging |
| 16:58.05 | abi- | I can never be sure without reading all the makefiles that it doesn't just install some files in some place I don't want them |
| 16:58.31 | abi- | and the python makefiles are huge :) |
| 16:58.40 | jelly-home | abi-: build and install it in a chroot if unsure |
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| 16:59.23 | abi- | jelly-home: that sounds like a splendid idea :) |
| 17:00.03 | abi- | isn't there some kind of tool that creates a chroot, runs debootstrap and configures the system therein with bind mounts and like likes automagically? |
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| 17:01.23 | jelly-home | abi-: there's dchroot or schroot but I've used neither |
| 17:02.28 | jelly-home | I just debootstrap and mount /dev, /proc, and apt-get build-dep/source manually |
| 17:02.39 | jelly-home | didn't need /sys so far |
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| 17:04.47 | varney | hi i was trying to install an alternate kernel, but i don't want to now. but aptitude keeps trying to run the install after i have run other installs, so how do i stop it from doing this? |
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| 17:05.42 | varney | hi i was trying to install an alternate kernel, but i don't want to now. but aptitude keeps trying to run the install after i have run other installs, so how do i stop it from doing this? |
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| 17:05.47 | varney | oops |
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| 17:06.32 | jelly-home | varney: remove the package in question? |
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| 17:07.17 | varney | jelly-home: well i don't want to 'remove' the kernel? i only want to stop aptitude from trying to install a new kernel every time i run other commands |
| 17:07.38 | florist | varney: in aptitude, use the = key to hold the package. |
| 17:07.49 | florist | It won't try to install a new kernel the next time. |
| 17:07.53 | varney | it's like a left-over command that has failed and it keeps trying to run it every time i run other commands |
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| 17:07.57 | jelly-home | varney: remove the kernel that has created the issue, I mean |
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| 17:08.06 | jelly-home | !errors |
| 17:08.06 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 17:08.14 | oompa_loompa | hi everyone |
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| 17:08.24 | florist | varney: did the package install properly? or is it an incomplete install? |
| 17:08.25 | oompa_loompa | I have a problem with a debian router box |
| 17:08.37 | jelly-home | varney: pastebin a command that reproduces the error and its complete output |
| 17:08.38 | varney | florist: it's an incomplete install |
| 17:08.40 | oompa_loompa | I am able to give out ip addresses and share my internet connection |
| 17:08.56 | florist | then just purge the package. |
| 17:08.57 | oompa_loompa | everything works |
| 17:09.08 | Buck | I'm having problems doing an apt-get upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/18792/ |
| 17:09.10 | Buck | could someone help? |
| 17:09.11 | varney | florist: so apt-get --purge <mypackage>? |
| 17:09.13 | oompa_loompa | except sharing the vpn connection in the debian box |
| 17:09.26 | florist | or in aptitude use the _ to mark the package for purge. |
| 17:09.29 | oompa_loompa | now I have tried to create my own masquerade rules and I also tried ipmasq |
| 17:09.33 | florist | I guess it is not aptitude but dpkg that is throwing errors. |
| 17:09.39 | oompa_loompa | and Im still unable to share this vpn connection |
| 17:09.40 | SpeedyG | Hi guys, got a little (maybe off-topic) question, but I want to ask a broad as possible public, the question is, what kinds of cybercrime do you know? |
| 17:09.41 | jelly-home | varney: no; either apt-get --purge remove package, or aptitude purge package |
| 17:09.46 | oompa_loompa | can anyone help me overcome this issue |
| 17:10.13 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: are you the person running cisco vpnclient? |
| 17:10.24 | varney | jelly-home: ok thanks, i gonna read up more on aptitude i just needed a quick fix and i simply don't know enough about it yet |
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| 17:11.05 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah thats me, still suffering here |
| 17:11.18 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: fwiw, I still think vpnclient is evil :-) |
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| 17:11.47 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: so do I, but in my work place I pretty much have no choice :'( |
| 17:11.52 | jelly-home | doesn't believe cisco has cleaned up its act and its software |
| 17:12.20 | oompa_loompa | wishes to go on a killing spree on cisco systems |
| 17:12.49 | oompa_loompa | can any iptables wizz help me out with this one? |
| 17:12.50 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: if they still work around the network stack in weird ways, normal methods or fringe cases like yours might fail |
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| 17:13.10 | Buck | I'm having problems doing an apt-get upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/18792/ |
| 17:13.12 | Buck | could someone help? |
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| 17:13.54 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: sorry english is not my native language what does fringe means? |
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| 17:14.03 | stew | wow, haven't seen a e2fsprogs loop in a while |
| 17:14.05 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: corner case, unusual setup |
| 17:14.09 | stew | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 17:14.15 | berred | Which DHCP client is used by Debian? |
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| 17:14.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: also this box has a tun device that is used with |
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| 17:14.31 | oompa_loompa | berred:dhclient |
| 17:14.32 | asg | berred: ISC but pump is also packaged |
| 17:14.43 | stew | do we no longer have that factoid? |
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| 17:15.06 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: openvpn, I read a bit about vpnc and I read it creates a tun device is that going to give me a hard time too? |
| 17:15.13 | asg | stew: doesn't look like it |
| 17:15.28 | asg | stew: woody_install_loop? |
| 17:15.29 | stew | hmm: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=e2fsprogs loop |
| 17:15.35 | stew | why is it there then? |
| 17:16.05 | stew | and why am i not encoding that ' ' as %20 or +? |
| 17:16.05 | asg | force loopbreak references it |
| 17:16.10 | Buck | <force loopbreak> |
| 17:16.14 | stew | Buck: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=e2fsprogs+loop |
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| 17:16.36 | Buck | hm |
| 17:16.36 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: it shouldn't, that's the accepted method afaik |
| 17:17.30 | Buck | it's not the same look though stew |
| 17:17.34 | Buck | same loop* |
| 17:17.39 | Buck | I get other errors other people don't get |
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| 17:17.45 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I'll try vpnc, I just hope not be killed in the process |
| 17:17.56 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: have you tried it with a cisco asa? |
| 17:18.08 | stew | Buck: can you show us the output of "apt-show-versions"? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:18.29 | Buck | stew: apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 17:18.45 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: truth be told I don't know what cisco eq. I'm connecting to, I just know it's not a PIX any more :-) |
| 17:19.36 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: lol, Im willing to put my job on the line and try it cause I'm freaking tired |
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| 17:21.25 | oompa_loompa | brb |
| 17:22.02 | vadmeste | Buck, apt-get install apt-show-versions |
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| 17:22.13 | penrod | greetings: is there a way to use mmv recursively ? |
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| 17:22.41 | Buck | of course penrod |
| 17:22.57 | penrod | Buck: do you have an example ? |
| 17:23.03 | Buck | vadmeste: refuses to install |
| 17:23.35 | Buck | penrod: http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/mass-rename.html |
| 17:24.11 | karlpinc | What do I need to rtfm to make a raid1 array using disks on 2 different computers. I know about mdadm, but I don't know about iscsi or whatever else would export the block level device across the network. I'm on etch. |
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| 17:25.05 | Buck | a raid using disks on 2 different computers? |
| 17:25.11 | Buck | that sounds scary |
| 17:25.24 | dudeman | is now a citizen of the United States of America YAY!!!! Took my oath today! yay! Now I gotta go party, bye bye bye bye |
| 17:25.50 | vadmeste | Buck, what is the error ? |
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| 17:26.46 | karlpinc | Buck : Not really scary with raid1, because both sides will have identical copies. I imagine the fiber channel people do this sort of stuff all the time. |
| 17:26.49 | Hydroxide | dudeman: congrats and welcome! |
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| 17:27.28 | Buck | vadmeste: http://paste.debian.net/18793/ |
| 17:27.43 | vadmeste | Buck, at least, you are smart.. |
| 17:27.48 | petemc | karlpinc: possible nbd |
| 17:28.02 | petemc | s/e/y/ |
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| 17:29.09 | Buck | I hope you're not being sarcastic vadmeste :( |
| 17:29.11 | petemc | i say possibly, i havent done it, but i think some people have |
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| 17:30.21 | voltage` | dpkg-reconfigure works wonders! hope it works at home! |
| 17:31.16 | jelly-home | karlpinc: nbd? |
| 17:31.20 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 17:31.35 | P4T3R | hi all :) |
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| 17:32.01 | karlpinc | petemc : I see nbd and open-scsi and iscsitarget |
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| 17:32.15 | P4T3R | i need help with my fglrx |
| 17:32.47 | voltage` | Wish I could help you P4T3R |
| 17:32.58 | P4T3R | :) ty i need isntall fglrx |
| 17:33.07 | wols_ | !tell P4T3R about ask |
| 17:33.10 | stew | Buck: oh, i didn't see "unable to make backup link of `./sbin/fsck' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" |
| 17:33.12 | P4T3R | when i type: |
| 17:33.12 | P4T3R | modprobe fglrx |
| 17:33.12 | P4T3R | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format |
| 17:33.17 | karlpinc | petemc, jelly-home : I wonder what the cluster people use. |
| 17:33.27 | stew | Buck: how is / mounted? is it readonly? |
| 17:33.30 | wols_ | oompa_loompa: where is this flgrx module from? how was it made/installed? |
| 17:33.44 | jelly-home | karlpinc: dependable SAN storage |
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| 17:33.57 | stew | !invalid module format |
| 17:33.57 | dpkg | invalid module format is, like, the error you get when you try to load a kernel module which was compiled with a incompatibily different version of gcc from the version used to compiled the kernel. "cat /proc/version" will tell you what version of gcc was used to compile the kernel |
| 17:34.00 | P4T3R | i dont know |
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| 17:34.13 | jelly-home | karlpinc: cheap folks might try DRBD, starfish or similar |
| 17:34.24 | wols_ | P4T3R: you must know how you isntalled it |
| 17:34.34 | P4T3R | i tipe |
| 17:34.39 | Buck | no stew |
| 17:34.43 | Buck | not read only |
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| 17:34.56 | icycube | hi |
| 17:34.58 | Buck | hi |
| 17:35.00 | dudeman | Hydroxide, thank you very much. I also registered to vote, but thats neither here nor there. I don't want to get OT, just wanted to share my happiness with everyone here. Well, gotta go buy a cake and go to work now |
| 17:35.04 | dudeman | thanks again |
| 17:35.05 | P4T3R | sudo apt-get isntall fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:35.06 | dudeman | *afk* |
| 17:35.06 | icycube | how big is a standard installation of debian? |
| 17:35.11 | Buck | dudeman: who you gonna vote for? |
| 17:35.12 | karlpinc | jelly-home : Does gfs has something similar? |
| 17:35.17 | wols_ | icycube: there is no standard install |
| 17:35.24 | dudeman | Buck, #debian-offtopic |
| 17:35.24 | icycube | wols_, o.O |
| 17:35.38 | icycube | i mean just the basic system |
| 17:35.46 | Lagbolt | icycube, with or without window managers? |
| 17:35.52 | pozic | How do I get the kernel module snd_rtctimer loaded into a Debian kernel? It seems it's not distributed with this kernel. |
| 17:35.54 | Buck | dudeman: wot? |
| 17:36.11 | jelly-home | karlpinc: gfs still has a single point of failure, the storage box |
| 17:36.17 | Buck | icycube: with or without emacs? |
| 17:36.24 | Lagbolt | lol Buck |
| 17:36.25 | wols_ | P4T3R: do not message people. you're now on ignore by mw. HAND |
| 17:36.45 | P4T3R | okok...how i can install fglrx? |
| 17:36.52 | karlpinc | Thanks folks. I'll look around. |
| 17:37.03 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
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| 17:38.18 | icycube | Lagbolt, with a small one |
| 17:38.30 | wols_ | P4T3R: do you run lenny? |
| 17:38.44 | P4T3R | yes now yes |
| 17:38.48 | trilobit` | Is anyone else having problems accessing the debian.org webpage ? |
| 17:39.03 | wols_ | P4T3R: there is no fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:39.06 | wols_ | in lenny |
| 17:39.15 | wols_ | P4T3R: apt-cache policy fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 17:39.26 | P4T3R | ok wait |
| 17:39.32 | Lagbolt | icycube, hmm tough call, you can prob get it up and running for around a GB |
| 17:39.36 | wols_ | trilobit`: no |
| 17:39.45 | wols_ | Lagbolt: much less |
| 17:39.48 | icycube | k |
| 17:39.49 | icycube | thx |
| 17:39.58 | wols_ | icycube: 400MB tops |
| 17:39.59 | Lagbolt | wols_, well there is swap space |
| 17:40.00 | P4T3R | hmm no find |
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| 17:40.11 | wols_ | P4T3R: exactly. dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 17:40.17 | Lagbolt | i was assuming he means entire install including all used space |
| 17:40.29 | wols_ | Lagbolt: you don't need 600MB swap |
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| 17:40.40 | Lagbolt | wols_, well he might want to hibernate |
| 17:40.44 | icycube | Lagbolt, no swap on flash medium |
| 17:40.47 | Lagbolt | was just ballparking |
| 17:40.47 | icycube | ;) |
| 17:40.49 | P4T3R | ii fglrx-driver 1:8-7-2 non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver |
| 17:40.49 | P4T3R | ii fglrx-glx 1:8-7-2 proprietary libGL for the non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display |
| 17:40.49 | P4T3R | ii fglrx-kernel-src 1:8-7-2 kernel module source for the non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx displ |
| 17:40.49 | P4T3R | ii fglrx-modules-2.6.25-2-686 2.6.25+8-6-2 Display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon and FireGL graphics cards mo |
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| 17:40.53 | Lagbolt | icycube, well there you go , 400mb |
| 17:40.58 | icycube | k thx |
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| 17:41.09 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I installed vpnc |
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| 17:41.28 | jelly-home | good for you! |
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| 17:41.33 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: looks like Im connected to the vpn but now I cant ping it from the debian box :( |
| 17:41.39 | wols_ | !tell P4T3R about pastebin |
| 17:41.45 | P4T3R | ?? |
| 17:41.56 | wols_ | P4T3R: so NOT paste to the channel. ever |
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| 17:42.21 | P4T3R | oh ok sry |
| 17:42.25 | liable | oompa_loompa: theres some routing magic when you are tunneling through vpn |
| 17:42.26 | karlpinc | trilobit` : no |
| 17:42.33 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: can you pastebin "ip r", "ip a", and "iptables -L" for starters? |
| 17:42.36 | liable | oompa_loompa: is that what you are doing? |
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| 17:42.58 | ishi | after upgrading from etch to lenny, I have I strange problem: I set screen resolution to 1600x1200 (in etch --- I just added it in xorg.conf) and it used to work OK. After upgrade, I still have this resolution, but application don't know about it (when I maximize an aplication, it fills only upper part of the screen). |
| 17:42.59 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home, sure, can you give me a pastebin address I can put it into? |
| 17:43.09 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 17:43.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:43.45 | rwaite | man i love debian |
| 17:43.47 | trilobit` | karlpinc: wols_: Now it's ok again. Must have been some local temporary thing. |
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| 17:44.03 | rwaite | "redhat has to have improved since 7.0, right?" |
| 17:44.05 | rwaite | no. |
| 17:44.15 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: (you might have to install iproute or use ifconfig -a and route -n instead of the first two cmds) |
| 17:44.20 | P4T3R | and sry..im from slovakia and i dont good speak english |
| 17:44.35 | ishi | blah... :( It seems to me that setting screen resolution is pretty basic. Don't tell me nobody among you ever did it ;) |
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| 17:44.56 | jelly-home | rwaite: well, actually, rhel5 seems to be usable |
| 17:44.56 | voltage` | My debian etch is 3 GB with GUI and some personal files |
| 17:44.57 | wols_ | ishi: your problem is not screen res as you yourself said |
| 17:45.06 | wols_ | voltage`: way too big :) |
| 17:45.16 | ishi | wols_: well.. what is it than? |
| 17:45.23 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/k0l38321.html |
| 17:45.24 | wols_ | ishi: I'd guess the WM |
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| 17:45.36 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: sure one sec |
| 17:45.48 | ishi | wols_: both gnome *and* kde? |
| 17:45.49 | voltage` | Mostly tunes lol |
| 17:46.07 | rwaite | jelly-home: this was 4.something, and admittedly it's probably more due to my ignorance of yum et al. but ewww. |
| 17:46.14 | P4T3R | can any good man help me with isntall fglrx driver |
| 17:46.39 | voltage` | got a 10 GB Drive and a P4 3 Ghz with an intel board and a gig of ram. No sound though lol Intel High def audio and one SB Audgy short of a picnic |
| 17:46.44 | jelly-home | rwaite: oh, 4 is still up2date, that's uglier |
| 17:46.44 | trilobit` | P4T3R: http://packages.debian.org/etch/fglrx-driver this has a list of cards supported. See if you find your own there. |
| 17:46.52 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: here http://rafb.net/p/4XZ1g235.html new link |
| 17:46.58 | ishi | P4T3R: afaik, I have it installed but I'm not sure, I'm the right person to help you since I'm having problems with my X'es too ;) |
| 17:47.01 | jelly-home | rwaite: yum is very nice, compared |
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| 17:47.11 | rwaite | wait, yum is one here? |
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| 17:47.29 | rwaite | i dunno, some other guy set this up. maybe he added it and thats why it works like crap? |
| 17:47.43 | rahsputin | Good nite |
| 17:47.48 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: eh, there was no need to do both, since you already had iproute installed |
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| 17:48.10 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: just wanted to provide as much info as I could |
| 17:48.25 | jelly-home | rwaite: dunno |
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| 17:48.49 | voltage` | wols_ It's my home machine that needs help. it's a bare gui install of etch. Got a PCI ATI Rage II + DVD, trying to get more resolutions. Going to try DPKG-Reconfigure XServer-Xorg tonight |
| 17:48.52 | ishi | P4T3R: did you try installing simply xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
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| 17:49.08 | P4T3R | ishi: yes |
| 17:49.57 | ishi | hmm... it worked for me... at least it used to ;) |
| 17:50.22 | trilobit` | P4T3R: what graphics card model do you have? |
| 17:50.32 | ishi | P4T3R: oh... you might try to download the driver (if you *really* think you need one) from ati web site |
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| 17:50.49 | P4T3R | ati saphire radeon x 1650 ddr2 512 MB |
| 17:50.54 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: which tun is vpnc, tun0 or tun1? |
| 17:50.58 | ishi | oki |
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| 17:51.01 | ishi | goes home |
| 17:51.06 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: tun1 |
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| 17:51.39 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: and you can't even ping 192.168.30.212? |
| 17:52.17 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: 192.168.30.212 I can, but I cant ping 192.168.30.4 which is up and was reachable with vpnclient |
| 17:52.30 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: hopefully the access point for that vpn isn't on 192.168.30.0/24 as well? |
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| 17:53.15 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: what do you mean? Im not getting it sorry |
| 17:53.22 | trilobit` | P4T3R: look here as well. http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7096 |
| 17:54.10 | dotCOMmie | Is there a nice way to have luks/cryptsetup ignore the fstab entry when password is not typed in? |
| 17:54.17 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: the ipsec gateway isn't on 192.168.30.x/24? |
| 17:54.51 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: you mean the gateway address on vpnc? if so, no it isn't |
| 17:54.53 | P4T3R | trilobit` thanks wait |
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| 17:54.54 | wols_ | voltage`: is it running etch or lenny? |
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| 17:56.02 | marthajohnes | lenny's 2.6.26 loads a framebuffer although I've blacklisted the module. The result is unusable console because the module cannot find a supported resolution for my display. How can I stop it? |
| 17:56.26 | wols_ | !tell marthajohnes about blacklist |
| 17:56.48 | stew | marthajohnes: what, if any, 'vga=' option are you passing to the kernel? did you update the initramfs? |
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| 17:57.14 | marthajohnes | hmm, let me try this blacklist.local |
| 17:57.29 | stew | marthajohnes: the name of the file in /etc/modprobe.d doesn't matter |
| 17:57.40 | marthajohnes | stew: no vga opions. the initrd image doesn't contain the module |
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| 17:58.20 | marthajohnes | stew: so why is the module still loaded? |
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| 17:58.32 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: eh, I can't figure out the iptables setup, -L doesn't show the interfaces used; can you pastebin iptables-save instead? |
| 17:58.34 | voltage` | wols_ Used the 4.0 DVD |
| 17:58.51 | oompa_loompa | ok |
| 17:59.34 | stew | marthajohnes: you rebuild the initramfs after blacklisting? |
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| 18:00.00 | voltage` | The board is intel chipset with a PIII 600 and 512 RAM. I burned out my other board inserting a 1.5 volt card in a 3 volt AGP slot so I am sticking with PCI for now lol |
| 18:00.16 | marthajohnes | stew: no |
| 18:00.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/VA732c60.html another thing just kicked in, Im unable to go to the internet on the debian box anymore |
| 18:00.52 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I just don't know how am I on the internet right now |
| 18:01.52 | marthajohnes | stew: ok, done. Let me restart and see |
| 18:02.06 | voltage` | I think it's a 4 MB card, it's got the 64 cache chip on it so it should do 1280x1024. It picked up the ATI driver by default, I tried vesa and a reboot but only 836x693 or something at 85 hz |
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| 18:03.09 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: you only accept 192.168.30.212/32 on tun1, instead of the whole /24 |
| 18:03.11 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: nameservers where rewritten internet is now accessible again |
| 18:03.22 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: INPUT chain |
| 18:03.25 | voltage` | I tried Ubuntu and xUbuntu 8.04 same problem (Via board thats now cooked) so I was like I'll show this PC and threw in my etch dvd |
| 18:03.32 | oompa_loompa | that was created by ipmasq |
| 18:03.33 | oompa_loompa | :S |
| 18:03.48 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: let me check the rule one sec |
| 18:03.49 | voltage` | just wish I had a good nvidia PCI card with native support |
| 18:03.50 | jelly-home | that's not enough, I think |
| 18:04.10 | voltage` | I have a matrox AGP but I think it's 1.5 volt and the board is 3 volt (AGP1X) |
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| 18:04.42 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I cant find that rule can you paste it for me? |
| 18:05.00 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: http://rafb.net/p/VA732c60.html line 23 |
| 18:05.25 | trilobit` | P4T3R: it seems Saphiretech doesn't care much for Linux support drivers for Saphire X1650 cards. http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/support/drivers.php (VGA -> Saphire X1650 Series -> Saphire X1650) |
| 18:05.54 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: as if ipmasq doesn't handle point-to-point connections well |
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| 18:06.37 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: compare eg. line 21 to line 22 and 23 |
| 18:06.47 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home, so should I flush what ipmasq did and create my own rules? i have a script that creates them for me I saved it in my /root |
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| 18:06.56 | P4T3R | ty |
| 18:07.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: 22 and 23 dont have a netmask |
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| 18:07.35 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: is that what I suppose to look? |
| 18:07.52 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: right, they only allow the single ip of the peer |
| 18:08.34 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home, give me a sec, this might disconnect me |
| 18:08.35 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: I know nothing of ipmasq; maybe you can configure it to be smarter |
| 18:09.26 | jelly-home | sets up his masquerading manually with iptables |
| 18:09.37 | trilobit` | P4T3R: that's as much as 3D acceleration is concerned. I guess you could try lenny's fglrx-driver or fglrx-glx driver but that's a try and see thing. Sapphire 1650 are not mentioned there. |
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| 18:10.25 | marthajohnes | stew: it still loads |
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| 18:10.52 | stew | marthajohnes: does it get part way through the boot sequence before switching to framebuffer? or does it happen immediately? |
| 18:11.05 | voicu | what's the easiest pop3 server to configure? i'm using postfix which appears to work fine |
| 18:11.28 | marthajohnes | stew: about half way through |
| 18:11.30 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: so do I until somebody told my my rules might be wrong to try ipmasq (that was yesterday) |
| 18:11.41 | stew | marthajohnes: sounds like /etc/init.d/console-tools then |
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| 18:12.32 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: I'd replace the rule in line 23 with something like -A INPUT -s 192.168.30.0/24 -i tun1 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:13.01 | uzbek | hi everybody, i'd like to add experimental to sources.list, where i can get list of sources? |
| 18:13.03 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I just did it was a no go :( |
| 18:13.11 | stew | uzbek: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 18:13.33 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: also the FORWARD stuff looks wonky |
| 18:13.48 | oompa_loompa | hold on let me change it to the way I had |
| 18:13.59 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: before ipmasq |
| 18:14.19 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: line 70, -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.30.212 -o tun1 -j ACCEPT too |
| 18:14.57 | jelly-home | no wonder nothing goes out to 192.160.30.4 or comes back |
| 18:15.03 | uzbek | stew, thanx, i need lines to add to sources.list, but i couldn't find them there |
| 18:15.03 | marthajohnes | stew: there's /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh but it doesn't seem to load framebuffer modules |
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| 18:17.34 | stew | marthajohnes: its not loaded whn it runs consolechars? |
| 18:17.47 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: this would be my old rules plus the input on tun1 and output on tun1, still wont let me but can you take a look at them please? |
| 18:18.10 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: url? |
| 18:18.58 | hFox | How do i configure openssh to only allow sftp but not ssh for one user? |
| 18:19.01 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/11Fs7T33.html sorry forgot |
| 18:19.13 | marthajohnes | stew: how can I tell? |
| 18:19.46 | idimmu | hFox: scponly |
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| 18:19.50 | idimmu | set that as their shell |
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| 18:20.57 | stew | marthajohnes: you could prevent console-tools from running, then run it by hand and see if it is the thing causing your problem |
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| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: hm, can you get to .212 with these? But not .4? |
| 18:21.32 | marthajohnes | stew: I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:22.14 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yes I can 212 no I cant the .4 |
| 18:22.53 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: oh wait, .212 is your ip. :-) |
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| 18:23.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yes on the tun1, I will always be able to ping it |
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| 18:24.25 | anddam | hello |
| 18:25.18 | hFox | idimmu: Stil won't work. |
| 18:25.34 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: hmph. can you see with tcpdump -ni tun1 & if anything comes back when you, for example, ping 192.168.30.4 ? |
| 18:25.59 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: sure one sec |
| 18:26.27 | idimmu | hFox: in what way? |
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| 18:27.11 | idimmu | are we talking ftps as in scp or ftp over ssl? |
| 18:27.46 | stew | hFox: have a look at the scponly or rssh packages |
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| 18:28.05 | stew | oh, that was already suggested |
| 18:28.06 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/L6wn5E39.html |
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| 18:28.16 | stew | hFox: why wouldn't scponly work? |
| 18:28.32 | hFox | idimmu: I can't login as that user when their shell is set to scponly |
| 18:28.53 | stew | hFox: is that not what you want? |
| 18:28.56 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home, do you need or would it help my route output? |
| 18:28.58 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: that sucks, sounds like vpn working well |
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| 18:29.05 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: has it changed? |
| 18:29.09 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I know |
| 18:29.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: well I believe vpnc must have at least added a new one |
| 18:29.27 | jelly-home | vpn *isn't* working well :-) |
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| 18:29.35 | hFox | no, I want to be able to login as the user on sftp, but not directly to bash, or similar. |
| 18:29.58 | stew | < hFox> idimmu: I can't login as that user when their shell is set to scponly |
| 18:30.10 | stew | so the "not directly to bash, or similar" part is taken care of, right? |
| 18:30.14 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/XCGpCU69.html |
| 18:30.21 | EmleyMoor | I have a workable chroot, but for userfriendliness reasons need to access it using schroot. I can mount the required filesystems in the chroot and it will work, but that is not "the right way" to do it when using schroot. They are mentioned in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults but are not being mounted. Can anyone advise me what to try next? http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 |
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| 18:31.19 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: nothing special |
| 18:31.44 | hFox | stew: Yes, but as I said, i want to be able to login on sftp. |
| 18:31.46 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I think we are even more lost than we were with vpnclient :( |
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| 18:32.04 | stew | hFox: why can't you login via sftp when your shell is set to scponly ? |
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| 18:32.29 | hFox | I don't know, that's kind of why I ask.. |
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| 18:33.01 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: well, if you had the very same iptables with vpnclient, then I can't figure out how pinging .30.4 could have worked there |
| 18:33.12 | stew | i'm obviously confused |
| 18:33.29 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I could and I could ssh and ftp it too |
| 18:33.37 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: but only from the server |
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| 18:35.26 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I disconnected and reconnected and it worked :O |
| 18:35.44 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: what worked? |
| 18:36.06 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I can ping .4 from the debian box |
| 18:36.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I can even ssh it |
| 18:36.42 | oompa_loompa | I just need to reach it from our network clients :S can you still help me with that? |
| 18:36.48 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: you'll have to add -A POSTROUTING -o tun1 -j MASQUERADE to get NAT to work |
| 18:36.58 | jelly-home | as it is for eth1 |
| 18:37.24 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I tried that before with cipsec0 and it didnt work but lets hope for the best |
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| 18:38.06 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: it didnt work |
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| 18:38.24 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: pastebin the current ipstables-save |
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| 18:39.02 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/Vma6zw58.html |
| 18:40.33 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: you also need to FORWARD the stuff from eth0 to tun1, like line 22 (possibly 21 too, but I'm not sure that's needed at all) |
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| 18:41.18 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: give me one sec Ill look at the rule and try something out |
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| 18:42.20 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: something like ... -i eth0 -o tun1 -d 192.168.30.0/24 ... and put it before the eth1 lines |
| 18:42.54 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: how do I put instead of append? |
| 18:43.00 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... I've discovered schroot is simply not calling the mount routine |
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| 18:43.18 | hFox | stew,idimmu: ping? |
| 18:43.45 | stew | hFox: hi |
| 18:43.57 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: -I chain rule-number instead of -A chain. use --line-numbers with -L to figure out where |
| 18:43.59 | idimmu | yup |
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| 18:44.37 | EmleyMoor | Is there nobody about who knows schroot? |
| 18:44.52 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I count only from within the change Im inserting to right? |
| 18:45.46 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: iptables -L -n --line-numbers; man iptables |
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| 18:46.00 | anddam | I'm having problems with autoconf, this is ./autogen.sh output for Transmission svn source http://codepad.org/8bjXHtt9 the first error is about autoreconf, I launched it alone too with -v http://codepad.org/nYsAV1Kt |
| 18:46.01 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: if you meant "chain", I guess yes |
| 18:46.33 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah I meant chain sorry, english not my native language I confuse easily |
| 18:46.47 | anddam | I'm on lenny and I think I installed needed packages: build-essential, autoconf, automake, libltool, intltool, gettext |
| 18:47.06 | EmleyMoor | follows the rule: if in doubt, RTFM |
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| 18:49.19 | anddam | any hint about the autoconf thing? |
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| 18:52.16 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: didnt work, perhaps my rule is wrong: iptables -I FORWARD 2 -i eth0 -o tun1 -d 192.168.30/24 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:52.36 | Eulex | anddam, automake is really installed? |
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| 18:52.53 | Buck | so, I still get a "unable to make backup link of `./sbin/fsck' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" when trying to apt-get upgrade, and have no idea how to proceed |
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| 18:53.08 | anddam | Eulex: one moment |
| 18:53.57 | anddam | Eulex: http://codepad.org/UiXgpfID |
| 18:54.03 | vadmeste | Buck, lol.. sure you have logged as root ? |
| 18:54.09 | anddam | am I missing something? |
| 18:54.13 | damonwang | I'm on an institutional connection that does 2-5MB/s easily, but jigdo is averaging less than 100kB/s. Any ideas why? |
| 18:54.14 | Buck | yes vadmeste |
| 18:55.18 | Eulex | anddam, not in package-way, but what happens when you run automake in that directory? |
| 18:55.44 | EmleyMoor | has solved his schroot problem :-) |
| 18:55.44 | hFox | stew: Could you give a little more information than 'hi'? |
| 18:56.06 | stew | hFox: about what? |
| 18:56.25 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: sounds about right. paste the current iptables-save |
| 18:56.38 | hFox | stew: About my problem with ssh and sftp |
| 18:56.40 | keith4 | any way to monitor a MegaRAID? |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | hFox: wash, rinse, repeat? |
| 18:56.47 | jelly-home | keith4: dell? |
| 18:56.54 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 18:56.58 | keith4 | jelly-home: gateway, actually. *shudder* |
| 18:57.06 | Buck | anyone have any ideas? =( |
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| 18:57.56 | hFox | enouf: been there, done that. |
| 18:58.00 | hFox | too many times. |
| 18:58.23 | jelly-home | keith4: dunno then, dell has their "dellmgr" |
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| 18:58.56 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/ty3wAQ22.html here |
| 18:59.19 | stew | hFox: my suggestion was scponly or rssh. you seemed to indicate that scponly wouldn't work, but i didn't understand why |
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| 18:59.55 | EmleyMoor | If you want to mount filesystems on the fly, your chroot type needs to be "directory", not "plain" |
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| 19:00.38 | stew | Buck: can you show us the output of "mount"? perhaps strace the upgrade and see exactly how it is trying to backup /sbin/fsck? perhaps check lsattr /sbin ? |
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| 19:01.30 | hFox | stew: hmm... isn't there another solution? |
| 19:01.38 | anddam | Eulex: running |
| 19:02.28 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: you forgot "-m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED" for line 21 but that shouldn't matter |
| 19:02.29 | anddam | Eulex: http://codepad.org/VJOS2NMa |
| 19:02.30 | stew | hFox: probably, yeah. how would you want the solution to differ from the two i've given you so far? |
| 19:02.41 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: line 22, sorry |
| 19:02.59 | hFox | stew: No need to install packages. |
| 19:03.22 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: do I insert a new one with the state? or do I delete the one I just added and replace it with the state one |
| 19:03.23 | oompa_loompa | ? |
| 19:03.29 | hFox | if possible, some fancy option in sshd_config or similar. |
| 19:03.51 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: replace, I guess |
| 19:03.51 | stew | hFox: i don't know |
| 19:04.24 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: but the current one would forward everything, so it shouldn't matter |
| 19:04.47 | Buck | stew: http://paste.debian.net/18799/ |
| 19:04.57 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: when you ping .30.4 from an internal machine, do you see the packets reach tun1 (tcpdump)? |
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| 19:05.37 | stew | oh jeez. /dev/vzfs? |
| 19:05.40 | stew | reiserfs? |
| 19:05.54 | stew | Buck: is root able to create files in /sbin? |
| 19:06.17 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: done, didnt work either you need me to re paste iptables-save? |
| 19:07.32 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: sure, why not |
| 19:07.46 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: let me try tcpdum, here is my iptables save http://rafb.net/p/nAjCKe97.html |
| 19:08.07 | Buck | yes stew, I can create files in /sbin without problem.. I didn't pick the fs = |
| 19:08.14 | anddam | Eulex: and this is with --add-missing http://codepad.org/gxx2Ehm5 |
| 19:08.32 | stew | Buck: i'd strace it and see exactly what it is trying to do when it gets the operation not permitted |
| 19:08.55 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: tcpdump output http://rafb.net/p/5K5IES42.html |
| 19:09.18 | Buck | alright stew |
| 19:09.51 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: nice, so it came through, and it's the return packet that gets stuck some where |
| 19:10.47 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: compare that to a "tcpdump -ni eth1 icmp" |
| 19:11.00 | Buck | stew: http://paste.debian.net/18800/ |
| 19:11.07 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: owait, no, eth0 is your internal lan |
| 19:11.08 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah could it be output? if I change the policy to ACCEPT would that make a difference? |
| 19:11.37 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: nah is already accept |
| 19:11.52 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yes eth0 internal eth1 is WAN |
| 19:12.21 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: is the forward rule wrong? |
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| 19:12.24 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: on eth0 you'll likely see only echo requests |
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| 19:12.38 | stew | Buck: you need to run strace with -f |
| 19:12.59 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home you mean if I tcpdump -i eth0 ? |
| 19:13.09 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: yes |
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| 19:13.21 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home let me do it |
| 19:13.34 | wad | Hi, folks. I've been using debian for a couple of years now, and I keep getting stuck at one place. I use apt-get install to install a package that looks useful, and then I'm stuck. Where do I got for instructions on setting it up? I can do "dkpg -L <package name>" for starters, but that's about it. Am I missing something obvious? |
| 19:13.37 | maddler | anyone running lenny on Acer Aspire One A150? |
| 19:14.02 | stew | wad: perhaps /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian |
| 19:14.15 | wad | stew: I always read it. It's rarely helpful. |
| 19:14.20 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: if there's traffic, you'll see lots of unimportant stuff; "tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp" might be cleaner |
| 19:14.33 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah I saw that |
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| 19:14.54 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: -n makes it skip dns lookups |
| 19:15.02 | wad | Case in point: I just did "apt-get install sarg". Now what? The README is useless. |
| 19:15.03 | stew | wad: if a package requires setup after installation, it should be documented in /usr/share/doc/packagename, if it isn't, file a bug |
| 19:15.28 | wad | stew: Okay, that's good to know! I'll check into it. |
| 19:15.49 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah ICMP echo request all the way http://rafb.net/p/Bu6Jc374.html |
| 19:16.12 | maddler | wad: or, if the package uses debconf, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 19:16.53 | wad | So, the README explains how to do ./configure and stuff like that. I had understood that most of this was done already, by the debian packager. |
| 19:17.00 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: can they ping .212? |
| 19:17.11 | maddler | wad: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-reconfigure |
| 19:17.25 | wad | I'm not expert enough to identify where I should start reading the README. :( |
| 19:17.27 | wols_ | wad: it has for debian binary pakcages |
| 19:17.39 | maddler | wad: perhaps you should skip the building/compile steps and jump to the configuration |
| 19:17.41 | stew | wad: yes, if the README ONLY contains information on compiling/installing it from source (and none of it is relavant when using a debian pacakge) then it is a bug, and should be REMOVED |
| 19:17.41 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: on the local net yes |
| 19:17.50 | stew | wad: did you read 'man sarg'? |
| 19:18.02 | wad | mmm.... no, I haven't done that yet. |
| 19:18.06 | wad | does. |
| 19:18.19 | Buck | stew: http://paste.debian.net/18801/ |
| 19:18.24 | wols_ | stew: the readme is often from the source of the package while README.Debian is then the "debian readme", no? |
| 19:18.27 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: local net can ping all ip addresses on the debian box |
| 19:18.45 | wad | (I should mention that the current example is just the most recent time I've noticed this lack.) |
| 19:18.46 | stew | wols_: yes, but if the README only contains stuff not relevant to a packaged version, it is a bug to include it |
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| 19:18.59 | keith4 | ugh. MegaCli is terrible |
| 19:19.07 | keith4 | there must be a better way |
| 19:19.12 | wad | You know what would be really cool? A file called PROCEED.DEBIAN. :) |
| 19:19.53 | wad | It could let the user know what has just happened to their system, and what they need to do (if anything) to actually use the package that was just installed. |
| 19:20.29 | wad | Contain a line like: "Now just edit /etc/whatever/whatever.config and you're good to go!" |
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| 19:20.34 | jelly-home | keith4: there is, it involves buying a proper raid controller |
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| 19:22.20 | keith4 | jelly-home: yah... i need to remember to track down whoever bought this POS and kick him in the thorax |
| 19:22.24 | rmatthes | hello |
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| 19:23.34 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: dunno, maybe you really need a rule like line 21 http://rafb.net/p/nAjCKe97.html but for -i tun1 -s 192.168.30.0/24 |
| 19:24.27 | stew | Buck: # |
| 19:24.35 | stew | Buck: [pid 21800] link("/sbin/fsck", "/sbin/fsck.dpkg-tmp") = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 19:25.22 | Buck | there is no /sbin/fsck.dpkg-tmp stew |
| 19:25.24 | stew | Buck: thatis the thing that fails. the link(2) manpage says this could happen if /sbin/fsck is a directory, which it shouldn't be, or if the filesystem doesn't allow making the link |
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| 19:25.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: something like this? iptables -A FORWARD -i tun1 -s 192.192.168.30.0/24 -o eth0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:25.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:26.12 | Buck | stew: so it'd be a reiserfs problem? how could I still fix this so I get out of the annoying broken upgrade? |
| 19:26.32 | DexterF | nfs server on etch, when I attempt to mount from another box I get: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting xerxes:/... |
| 19:26.55 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: aye, but -I FORWARD 1 instead of -A |
| 19:27.09 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: let me try |
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| 19:27.52 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: guess what? that did the trick |
| 19:27.58 | DexterF | hosts.deny is empty, other box mounts fine |
| 19:28.00 | stew | Buck: this is some kind of virtual machine? that would be a big unknown for me. and I dont' really know much about reiserfs |
| 19:28.04 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: nice |
| 19:28.07 | DexterF | can't figure what restricts access |
| 19:28.07 | Eulex | anddam, that looks really strange. I'd ask the transmission devs. |
| 19:28.16 | Buck | stew: now that you mention it.. it's a virtual private server |
| 19:28.18 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: you are a hero man, do you have a paypal account I can send a gift as prove of my appreciation? |
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| 19:28.26 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: now try the same iptables but with vpnclient |
| 19:28.52 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: nah, can't accept stuff with paypal from .hr |
| 19:28.59 | stew | Buck: what happens if you run "ln /sbin/fsck /sbin/fsck.dpkg-tmp" ? i assume you get the same problem? |
| 19:29.04 | Buck | yeah stew |
| 19:29.05 | Buck | already tried it |
| 19:29.07 | Buck | :( |
| 19:29.13 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: hell no, Ill keep vpnc, it is less anoying than vpnclient |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | Buck: well now you have something specific to ask your hosting provider about |
| 19:29.27 | Buck | heh |
| 19:29.30 | Buck | alright, thanks stew :) |
| 19:29.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: if they ask me I'll say this one is working the other isn't |
| 19:29.34 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: your lan likely also can't access stuff behind tun0 |
| 19:30.03 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: doesnt matter, what matter is that tun0 access stuff on lan |
| 19:30.21 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: so if you cant take a gift from here from where can you accept it? |
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| 19:30.30 | Buck | I'll take it if he won't oompa_loompa |
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| 19:31.17 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: give it to SPI, I guess :-) |
| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | !donations |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | If you like Debian are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations. |
| 19:31.46 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: one think I notice, I can ping alright but I cant SSH to those computers nor FTP, and who is SPI ? |
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| 19:32.34 | jelly-home | !spi |
| 19:32.34 | dpkg | somebody said spi was Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 19:32.34 | mythomaniac | why have the debian dev taken away the freedom of the user to choose which progs are to be installed on one's system; for example, the user cannot uninstall libswfdec-0.6-90, transmission, ekiga and without uninstalling gnome. Where has the right to choose gone? Btw, I'm using lenny... |
| 19:32.44 | enouf | best might be to donate a piece of hardware that one needs to devel on .. dunno |
| 19:32.55 | mythomaniac | cheese is the other one |
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| 19:33.12 | deego | What was that file which stores the status (remove, purge, etc.) of every package on the system? .. so I can just cat or less that file.. |
| 19:33.16 | wols_ | mythomaniac: wrong |
| 19:33.17 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: checking SPI as your favorite flavor |
| 19:33.21 | wols_ | mythomaniac: gnome is a meta package |
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| 19:33.31 | mythomaniac | wols_Þ° it shouldn't be |
| 19:33.35 | enouf | mythomaniac: i don't know if you mean depends, or Recommends; but either way you're likely wrong |
| 19:33.44 | mythomaniac | wols_Þ° even when i install gnome, it pulls that crap in |
| 19:33.49 | wols_ | mythomaniac: why it shouldn't be a meta pacakge? of course it should be a meta package |
| 19:33.57 | jelly-home | mythomaniac: that's a matter of binary package dependencies, not "freedom" |
| 19:33.57 | enouf | ... omg with the squares |
| 19:33.59 | wols_ | !tell mythomaniac about install gnome |
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| 19:34.07 | deego | mythomaniac: and no one stops you from disrespecting dependencies anyway.. |
| 19:34.10 | wols_ | mythomaniac: and disable recommends if you run lenny |
| 19:34.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I cant ssh nor ftp my own debian box |
| 19:34.36 | deego | .. so you have all the freedom you want |
| 19:34.53 | mythomaniac | cool i stand corrected ;)\ |
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| 19:35.21 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: INPUT is missing some stuff coming from eth0 |
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| 19:36.32 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: can you help me with it too please, right now my nerves are broken and I cant think right anymore |
| 19:36.58 | deego | ah /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:37.39 | enouf | what? |
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| 19:38.05 | enouf | deego: do not rely on that file alone for anything |
| 19:38.51 | deego | enouf: can you elaborate? |
| 19:38.56 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: eh? you'll have to add some basic rules like -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp -d 10.0.0.6 --dport 22 (-m state --state NEW, maybe) -j ACCEPT, |
| 19:39.04 | enouf | deego: you first ;-) |
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| 19:39.42 | enouf | deego: why would you want to cat or less that file? |
| 19:39.59 | deego | huh, I thought I explained above. |
| 19:40.01 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: or just allow all INPUT from 10.0.0.0/24 on eth0 if you feel like it |
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| 19:41.14 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: the second one would be iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT ? |
| 19:41.22 | deego | apt-cache policy pkg doesn't tell me if the package was ever on the system. I want an idea of if it was purged/removed/never installed.... hence that file |
| 19:41.48 | deego | .. plus I wanted to grep for certain keywords that match several pkgs |
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| 19:42.09 | deego | otoh, you still haven't told me why to "never rely" on the file |
| 19:42.09 | enouf | deego: dpkg is the low-level tool/interface to use to check pkg state/status/availability - as well as grep-status and dpkg-query and friends |
| 19:42.27 | dondelelcaro | !reward |
| 19:42.27 | dpkg | We're glad you appreaciate the help you've received in #debian! Please consider showing your appreciation by donating your time to help Debian (see http://www.debian.org/intro/help) |
| 19:42.32 | stew | deego: sounds like you want grep-status from grep-dctrl |
| 19:42.38 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: add -i eth0 and perhaps -d 10.0.0.6 |
| 19:42.57 | rahsputin | hi. I would like to reinstall Debian Etch, but have no possiblity install through USB or CD nor Floppy.... how can i accomplish this task ? |
| 19:42.58 | deego | stew, enough: thanks |
| 19:43.01 | enouf | deego: strace the alternate commands i suggested |
| 19:43.11 | stew | if that's enough, i'll stop right there :P |
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| 19:43.40 | enouf | is enough for anyone .. |
| 19:44.00 | deego | enouf: already |
| 19:44.02 | jelly-home | enouf with the horrible puns |
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| 19:44.44 | enouf | enjoys the rise from the crowd atm |
| 19:44.49 | rahsputin | is it possible to download an image ( netinstall/ businesscard ), place it on an empty partition and reboot ? |
| 19:44.56 | simonrvn | !lart enouf for badf puns |
| 19:44.57 | dpkg | throws enouf's poor little doggy off a cliff for badf puns |
| 19:44.58 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I did a iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -p tcp -d 10.0.0.6 --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT and that allowed me to ssh my debian box anymore, I tried this for 192.168.30.0/24 but it didnt work |
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| 19:45.05 | abrotman | !hd-media |
| 19:45.05 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 19:45.10 | simonrvn | EEE, not good |
| 19:45.41 | rahsputin | thank you abrotman ;(k) |
| 19:46.30 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: to 192.168.30.0/24 from where, lan? |
| 19:46.49 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:46.51 | abrotman | what is ;(k) ? buckteeth ? |
| 19:47.20 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: stuff coming from machines behind NAT goes into FoRWARD |
| 19:47.49 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: doh! so same rule different chain right? |
| 19:48.13 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: it should already work |
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| 19:48.33 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: nope it doesnt :( |
| 19:48.43 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: not ssh not ftp |
| 19:49.23 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: hm, and ssh/ftp to the internet from lan works? |
| 19:49.23 | rahsputin | solution sounds great, thank!!! |
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| 19:49.39 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: or, say, web |
| 19:49.44 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home trying, one sec |
| 19:49.53 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: yeah web works |
| 19:50.25 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: pastebin the current iptables-save |
| 19:50.28 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I tried an external ssh server on a non standard port and that worked too |
| 19:50.30 | Zambezi | Youtube works in Epiphany, not in Iceweasel which also seems to crash when I accept javascripts temporary with NoScript. Any ideas why? I'm using Lenny. |
| 19:50.54 | enouf | !youtube script |
| 19:50.54 | dpkg | hmm... youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality |
| 19:51.13 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/KiR9bC88.html |
| 19:51.32 | enouf | an alternate is youtube-dl pkg |
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| 19:52.07 | enouf | dpkg youtube script is also An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg |
| 19:52.07 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 19:52.38 | deego | ^_^ |
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| 19:53.12 | polystahl | ok guys, i need the most effective troll buster in here |
| 19:53.44 | polystahl | the reason is simple, i can't take the crap at "boo, debian sucks too much because it has "bugs" " who is here to help me out |
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| 19:53.53 | polystahl | pm when you want / can, thanks |
| 19:53.59 | enouf | polystahl: tell them to use windows |
| 19:54.03 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
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| 19:54.08 | amphi | !praise enouf |
| 19:54.08 | dpkg | prostrates herself before enouf. "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" |
| 19:54.20 | polystahl | enouf, lol, i did |
| 19:54.25 | rysiek|pl | if I want to use ssh with X11 forwarding, do I need the XServer? |
| 19:54.29 | amphi | polystahl: or plan 9 |
| 19:54.32 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: hm. check with tcpdump on tun1 whether a "telnet 192.168.30.4 22" from lan goes out to the device and if there's a response from the remote machine; also check the same on eth0 (tcpdump -ni eth0 host 192.168.30.4 and port 22) |
| 19:54.33 | rysiek|pl | on the server side that is ;) |
| 19:54.34 | deego | I believe trolls are susceptible to fire magic, use a levelled mage.. |
| 19:54.34 | micols | how do you delete one of your uid's from all keyservers? so it doesnt even say **REVOKED** , is it even possible? |
| 19:54.38 | enouf | amphi: haha .. |
| 19:54.45 | polystahl | there is some fedora - w*oring and how we had the 2 year ssh "bug" |
| 19:54.51 | amphi | rysiek|pl: no, just xlibs |
| 19:54.54 | enouf | falls off the chair |
| 19:54.56 | polystahl | i can't take this shit anymore |
| 19:55.23 | polystahl | these guys can't find their asses using GPS |
| 19:55.30 | amphi | polystahl: you talk to fedora users? |
| 19:55.32 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: I have stuff to do now, hopefully someone will fill in; or try #iptables / #netfilter |
| 19:55.46 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I can see ack |
| 19:55.51 | deego | *cough* or, install guidedog? |
| 19:55.54 | polystahl | amphi, hell no, they troll at blogs i follow and say that debian users are a "herd of losers" translated |
| 19:56.02 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home, I understand thanks a lot for your time |
| 19:56.14 | amphi | polystahl: 'hurd', shurely ;) |
| 19:56.20 | polystahl | lol |
| 19:56.39 | enouf | polystahl: losers usually disseminate losing information - stay away from those that are ignorant |
| 19:56.58 | polystahl | enouf, but how come all the LOSERS get respectable traffic between lugs etc ? |
| 19:56.59 | polystahl | i mean |
| 19:57.03 | polystahl | the age of morons HAS TO END |
| 19:57.26 | wols_ | polystahl: least common denominator. there are more morons in th world than not and they gravitate to other morons |
| 19:57.26 | cafuego | Why? I have as many rights as you do. |
| 19:57.29 | enouf | polystahl: the transistor replaced the tube - it's a war between odd and even harmonics ;-) |
| 19:57.31 | polystahl | anyway i am off topic and a couple of tacos short from ignoring them |
| 19:57.42 | De_Mon | polystahl not till you're dead |
| 19:58.02 | enouf | realizes he went way too deep for most on that one |
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| 19:58.17 | polystahl | isn't somebody with some work on fedora shit - flaws |
| 19:58.25 | De_Mon | enouf yeah.. way way too deep |
| 19:58.41 | polystahl | because i am in such a mood that i would compile quite a long list of why debian is a mean lean m*f*kin machine |
| 19:58.53 | enouf | polystahl: poiny them to kernel dev doing google talks/videos .. otherwise dump their dumbasses |
| 19:59.00 | enouf | s/poiny/point |
| 19:59.14 | polystahl | listen to this and laugh: |
| 19:59.18 | enouf | De_Mon: sorry - i will refrain |
| 19:59.24 | polystahl | "if you take redhat software out of debian it won't boot" |
| 19:59.28 | polystahl | ... |
| 19:59.51 | enouf | look again |
| 19:59.53 | polystahl | take non "redhat software" out of it and your perl works better for starters... |
| 20:00.19 | stew | polystahl: you should continue this in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:00.20 | enouf | polystahl: and you converse with these baboons? |
| 20:00.24 | polystahl | bunch of losers elevating my stinkbomb mood |
| 20:00.32 | polystahl | sorry guys, yeah i am offtopic |
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| 20:01.41 | polystahl | enouf, people who do endless posting after one word about debian need a shrink methinks, it just pissed me off in toto, that's all... |
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| 20:02.32 | enouf | polystahl: i sometimes have to spnak the dumbasses i meet in #mplayer, but otherwise .. stop the OT here, thanks |
| 20:02.41 | enouf | spank* ;-) |
| 20:02.52 | polystahl | spank lol |
| 20:02.58 | polystahl | you make it sound kinky man |
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| 20:03.48 | anddam | Eulex: still there? |
| 20:04.05 | Eulex | yep |
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| 20:04.46 | anddam | Eulex: I already asked them, apparently it's not anything related to transmission and I was told it could have something to do with the distribution I'm using |
| 20:04.57 | anddam | and that's debian |
| 20:05.34 | Eulex | anddam, they didn't supply config.guess and config.sub, though? |
| 20:05.41 | enouf | polystahl: the baboons are from a different branch than us apes ;-) |
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| 20:06.45 | enouf | polystahl: try #debian-offtopic on oftc.net if you want to see me more about this |
| 20:07.49 | anddam | Eulex: I think they didn't, I'm checking out the svn tree again |
| 20:08.10 | polystahl | enouf, ok |
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| 20:10.48 | polystahl | hmm oftc has a lag alright |
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| 20:12.03 | enouf | achieving harmony in software is much harder than in music - transistors do not make pleasant sounds, and proper aural stimulation is key for us apes |
| 20:12.34 | enouf | sorry .. deep again - i will stop now - over at OT channel |
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| 20:15.33 | TavoX | Hello, I'm using lenny, and it seems it's in feature freeze state. Is there any way I can get new packages from repository? (Like Pidgin 2.5) |
| 20:16.18 | enouf | !judd versions pidgen |
| 20:16.27 | enouf | oh well |
| 20:16.48 | enouf | !judd versions pidgin |
| 20:16.50 | jelly-home | judd: blah |
| 20:16.50 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "blah" is not a valid command. |
| 20:17.19 | jelly-home | enouf: you're asking the wrong bot |
| 20:17.30 | enouf | !judd version howtheheckdoyouspellthisreallysuckyIM |
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| 20:17.52 | enouf | jelly-home: no i'm not |
| 20:18.03 | jelly-home | judd: versions pidgin |
| 20:18.03 | judd | jelly-home: pidgin: 2.4.3-2~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.4.3-3 (lenny) 2.4.3-3 (sid) 2.5.0-1 (experimental) |
| 20:18.11 | jelly-home | !penixstrike enouf |
| 20:18.11 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking enouf to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:18.31 | enouf | !fix jelly-home |
| 20:18.31 | dpkg | takes jelly-home to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 20:18.53 | jelly-home | "!" is dpkg's call sign |
| 20:19.02 | enouf | duh |
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| 20:19.27 | enouf | judd: what's your call sign? |
| 20:19.27 | judd | enouf: Error: "what's" is not a valid command. |
| 20:19.42 | stew | enouf: none, currently |
| 20:19.44 | enouf | ~spank judd |
| 20:19.45 | apt | ACTION bends judd over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on judd's pasty white buttocks. |
| 20:19.55 | enouf | stew: it's ok |
| 20:19.56 | stew | hah |
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| 20:20.32 | TavoX | I'm not sure what you are doing, but what can I do If I want a "testing" version of debian, since lenny is now a stable-beta or so |
| 20:20.57 | enouf | !frozen |
| 20:20.57 | dpkg | well, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 20:21.06 | anddam | Eulex: no config.guess nor .sub |
| 20:21.13 | oklinux | can some one tell me how to install flash and java ? |
| 20:21.50 | amphi | !tell polystahl about gay |
| 20:21.57 | n3kl | Is anyone else having probelms with k8temp reporting incorrect temp values? |
| 20:22.03 | stew | TavoX: if you need pidgin 2.5 in lenny, you are going to have to wait quite a while for a backport, or you are going to have to backport it yourself |
| 20:22.13 | stew | amphi: wrong channel? |
| 20:22.17 | enouf | oklinux: why do you want to persist in promoting closed source crapware? |
| 20:22.31 | polystahl | !tell amphi stfu |
| 20:22.33 | polystahl | :P |
| 20:22.36 | stew | oklinux: on what version of debian? |
| 20:22.41 | enouf | polystahl: stop |
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| 20:22.48 | amphi | stew: aye |
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| 20:22.53 | polystahl | enouf, playing around in the off-topic channel no worries |
| 20:23.00 | stew | polystahl: you are in the wrong channel |
| 20:23.11 | TavoX | stew: thanks, I thought so. But when is the next "testing" version coming out? |
| 20:23.22 | Eulex | anddam, they're supposed to include those, along with install-sh, depcomp and missing try adding those and see if stuff begins to work. |
| 20:23.24 | oklinux | 4r4a etch |
| 20:23.41 | stew | TavoX: as soon as this one is released. this one will be released when it is free of release critical bugs: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 20:23.45 | anddam | Eulex: adding those, where could I take them from? |
| 20:24.07 | anddam | Eulex: I'm not into the autotools-thing are those files project related? |
| 20:24.20 | stew | oklinux: do you want free or non-free versions of java/flash? what arch are you on? i386? amd64? |
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| 20:25.00 | Eulex | anddam, they're installed along with the autotools somewhere on your system, I don't remember where |
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| 20:25.04 | oklinux | i386 |
| 20:25.08 | {`} | aptitude hi |
| 20:25.09 | aptitude | hello |
| 20:25.10 | TavoX | thanks, stew! |
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| 20:25.33 | {`} | aptitude asdfg |
| 20:25.33 | aptitude | dpkg |
| 20:25.50 | enouf | !nickometer {`} |
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| 20:25.51 | dpkg | '{`}' is 76.000% lame, enouf |
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| 20:25.59 | enouf | still 76! |
| 20:26.11 | anddam | Eulex: so they are system wide files, just for the sake of knowledge why do they need to be added the the build dir then? |
| 20:26.29 | crashanddie | !nickometer 98123iRfF{@3i]] |
| 20:26.30 | dpkg | '98123iRfF{@3i]]' is 99.830% lame, crashanddie |
| 20:27.05 | Eulex | anddam, because you're not supposed to need autotools to install the software |
| 20:27.16 | {`} | an exception |
| 20:27.21 | {`} | i was wondering |
| 20:27.37 | enouf | you look like a clit (sorry) |
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| 20:28.19 | enouf | do the prolix change |
| 20:28.28 | crashanddie | enouf, you are a real geek aren't you? You must not have seen that many clits in your life :P |
| 20:28.59 | Eulex | anddam, and actually, the scripts won't look in any system-wide directories for them. |
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| 20:29.25 | enouf | has found the babboon clan .. sigh |
| 20:29.57 | anddam | Eulex: there are several files with same name, config.guess seems to be provided by automake, twice from libtool (one is in libltdl) and another one in /usr/share/misc |
| 20:30.24 | anddam | any preference? |
| 20:30.34 | anddam | oh the latter is from autotools-dev |
| 20:30.47 | Eulex | u |
| 20:31.03 | Eulex | I'd use the one from automake or autotools-dev |
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| 20:31.37 | anddam | /usr/share/misc is the most inspiring then |
| 20:31.39 | Eulex | though it prolly doesn't matter |
| 20:31.58 | anddam | is "missing" the name of a file? |
| 20:32.44 | anddam | ah here it is |
| 20:32.49 | anddam | automake has all them |
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| 20:34.32 | blubberdiblub | is debootstrap really as simple as the manpage suggests? does it do a complete install of the packages into the target directory, with all bells and whistles, like debconf configuration, preinst, postinst etc.? or does it simply extract them there and i have to manually run the config in the chroot? |
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| 20:35.09 | enouf | !shoot "bells and whistles" |
| 20:35.10 | dpkg | blows "bells and whistles" away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
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| 20:35.37 | feeble | Hi. I don't know what's wrong here: http://pastebin.com/d540c1aff . It's an ATI radeon mobility 9700. Have I missed something? |
| 20:35.55 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: not much to be configured in the base system |
| 20:35.55 | oklinux | stew can you help me ? |
| 20:37.12 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, well, hostname, root and non-root user, etc. or do i have to do those manually in that case? |
| 20:37.34 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: yes. |
| 20:37.47 | blubberdiblub | ah, okay, thanks |
| 20:37.53 | jelly-home | I mean, you'll have to do it yourself |
| 20:38.03 | blubberdiblub | yeah, figured that :) |
| 20:38.10 | stew | oklinux: are you wanting to install the non-free java plugin and flash plugins or the free equivalents? |
| 20:38.56 | oklinux | yes |
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| 20:39.12 | stew | either? |
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| 20:40.04 | oklinux | both of them stew |
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| 20:40.25 | stew | you want to use both the non-free and the free versions of each? |
| 20:40.31 | stew | so install 4 total plugins? |
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| 20:41.08 | anddam | Eulex: You Are Da Man |
| 20:41.13 | Rook- | hey folks - anyone here knowledgeable in the guts of lockd? |
| 20:41.16 | stew | hmm, there doens't seem to actually be a free java plugin for etch yet |
| 20:41.21 | JoshH | what's the "best working" java plugin package to use for 64 bit firefox/distros these days |
| 20:41.22 | anddam | Eulex: it's running configure |
| 20:41.35 | oklinux | is that how many I need stew ? |
| 20:41.43 | anddam | man, I'd make a sticker of this and put it on my car |
| 20:41.53 | stew | oklinux: no, you don't need any |
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| 20:42.47 | Rook- | hey folks - anyone here knowledgeable in the guts of lockd? |
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| 20:43.18 | anddam | plublicly thanks Eulex |
| 20:43.37 | anddam | s/plub/pub/ |
| 20:43.39 | Eulex | anddam, yw |
| 20:43.49 | anddam | Now type 'make' to compile Transmission. |
| 20:43.51 | stew | oklinux: suns java plugin, and adobe's flash plugin are both non-free software, and therefore are not in debian. are you trying to install these non-free versions? or are you looking for free alternatives? |
| 20:43.53 | anddam | I will |
| 20:45.26 | oklinux | which ever is easy stew |
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| 20:46.10 | juanra | hi |
| 20:46.23 | juanra | is there any fix to get anjuta usable in sid?? please |
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| 20:46.39 | Rook- | last try.. *sigh* |
| 20:46.40 | Rook- | hey folks - anyone here knowledgeable in the guts of lockd? |
| 20:47.04 | oklinux | brb stew |
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| 20:47.18 | feeble | Rook-: Are you asking for a flood of noooos? ;-) |
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| 20:47.32 | Rook- | feeble, no just hoping that there is someone and they'll pipe up |
| 20:47.39 | Rook- | ah well |
| 20:47.50 | Rook- | is there a debian kernel group on freenode? |
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| 20:48.44 | ericP | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden -- change of address? |
| 20:48.56 | Famic | anyone could point me to a good tutorial about installing a mail server ? |
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| 20:49.21 | hfdjieks | Hi, i installed a Distribution named Parsix that is based on debian , my problem is that after i connect to internet with my dialup modem , after 30 sec. is it went to dc, what shod i do? |
| 20:49.41 | stew | oklinux: install sun-java5-plugin and flashplugin-nonfree from non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 20:49.46 | jelly-home | !parsix |
| 20:49.46 | dpkg | parsix is, like, a live/installation CD derived from <kanotix> and based on Debian. http://www.parsix.org, or #parsix @ irc.freenode.net See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 20:49.52 | stew | Famic: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
| 20:50.26 | jelly-home | hfdjieks: ask in #parsix |
| 20:50.39 | Famic | stew: postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 20:50.54 | stew | Famic: so you already have one installed. |
| 20:51.25 | Famic | I have postfix... but I need to know how to configure it with virtual domains and such |
| 20:51.43 | hfdjieks | no one is in the parsix |
| 20:52.00 | Famic | seems to me postfix is not enough too |
| 20:52.12 | stew | Famic: postfix is enough. you are probably better off asking in #postfix |
| 20:52.49 | Famic | I'll do that thx |
| 20:53.03 | hfdjieks | i need help!! |
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| 20:53.47 | enouf | hfdjieks: wipe and install debian, then ask here if and when qualified |
| 20:53.56 | anddam | bye |
| 20:54.00 | anddam | thanks again |
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| 20:54.36 | sema4r | why isn't xmms part of debian testing ? |
| 20:54.39 | Famic | btw, what is supposed to be in /etc/mailname ? |
| 20:54.54 | enouf | hfdjieks: otherwise seek help elsewhere; try ##linux maybe |
| 20:55.10 | enouf | sema4r: gtk1 ? |
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| 20:55.23 | jelly-home | !why is xmms not in testing |
| 20:55.23 | dpkg | xmms is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms |
| 20:55.32 | n3kl | Famic: I think that method is depricated, but its I think its supposed to be fqdn |
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| 20:55.44 | dondelelcaro | sema4r: because xmms is no longer maintained and has been removed from Debian entirely? |
| 20:55.46 | georgeaf | pppd gives me a wierd authentication prompt. I knew it was authentication my monitoring the modem port on windows and then discovered that windows sends some garbage containing my username and password in between. Why doesn't pppd do that and how can i know what type of authentication it is ? The log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/1222972 |
| 20:56.09 | dondelelcaro | sema4r: consider using xmms2, audacious, or similar instead. |
| 20:56.12 | Famic | n3kl: and what excatly is a fully qualified domain name ? |
| 20:56.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: the upstream maintainer says otherwise, though |
| 20:56.44 | dondelelcaro | Famic: it's the string that is sent on HELO or EHLO and is the FQDN for the machine that is sending mail |
| 20:56.48 | n3kl | Famic: go wiki it, its hostname.domain.com |
| 20:56.51 | surrounder | Famic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FQDN |
| 20:56.54 | enouf | sema4r: bloat always wins over form and function |
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| 20:57.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: about what? |
| 20:57.19 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: latest upstream xmms release is not one year old |
| 20:57.25 | zinx | sema4r: because Debian is anti-xmms |
| 20:57.33 | enouf | .. |
| 20:57.39 | abrotman | xmms is gtk1? |
| 20:57.42 | oklinux | stew Im back |
| 20:57.45 | zinx | xmms is gtk1. |
| 20:57.51 | enouf | abrotman: yes |
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| 20:58.29 | abrotman | enouf: i meant as why it might not be in testing? |
| 20:58.37 | Famic | point is, I have a dedicated server and I have no idea what its fqdn is. Is it the name it resolves to when doing a nslookup ? |
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| 20:58.48 | abrotman | !fqdn |
| 20:58.48 | dpkg | fqdn is, like, Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
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| 20:59.00 | enouf | abrotman: what else is gtk1.x that's in lenny? i dunno |
| 20:59.03 | zinx | !info libgtk1.2 lenny |
| 20:59.08 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's almost a year old, and the release before that was almost five years ago. |
| 20:59.36 | dpkg | libgtk1.2: (The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-18.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 853 kB, Installed size: 1824 kB |
| 20:59.37 | Famic | dpkg: what I need to know is what 'foo.example.com' stands for in my case... I mean, to me it's just an online box with an ip! |
| 20:59.39 | dpkg | Famic: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:59.45 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: pfft, debian has comparable cycles! |
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| 21:00.04 | Famic | I have virtual domains on it, but about fqdn I have no clue |
| 21:00.10 | zinx | yeah, being gtk1 isn't a reason as long as gtk1's still in debian :/ |
| 21:00.14 | Famic | where is it declared ? |
| 21:00.21 | enouf | well .. then find a maintainer |
| 21:00.29 | abrotman | nominates zinx |
| 21:00.32 | zinx | there's a reason.. no maintainer ;) |
| 21:00.36 | n3kl | zinx: tryp audacious |
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| 21:00.48 | zinx | hey, i'm not the one complaining about it not being in debian |
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| 21:00.57 | abrotman | lies! |
| 21:01.00 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sure, but we make uploads to packages far more often than every five years |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | usually ... |
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| 21:01.52 | enouf | section == oldlibs .. haha |
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| 21:02.31 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: but in any event, if you're willing to take up the maintainership of it and bring it to gtk2, feel free. |
| 21:02.32 | enouf | better start AOLifying yourselves |
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| 21:02.58 | Famic | isn't there somwehere I can learn all the needed knowledge to properly configure a box ? |
| 21:03.16 | Famic | some parts of it seem buried underground :/ |
| 21:03.18 | enouf | see jack |
| 21:03.24 | enouf | he does boxes |
| 21:03.26 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: gtk1 is still in lenny and sid |
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| 21:03.49 | enouf | jelly-home: so what? |
| 21:03.55 | jelly-home | I agree with the first part, though. |
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| 21:04.12 | sema4r | looked at audacious. it can't even handle switching streams in streamtuner halfway decent. xmms2 is simply bloat. i'll install the xmms package from stable. |
| 21:04.17 | jelly-home | enouf: so it's not a reason for evicting an app using it |
| 21:04.23 | zinx | dondelelcaro: if you're going to port it to gtk2, you may as well use one of the forks that's already been ported to gtk2 |
| 21:04.43 | abrotman | nominates zinx to package the forks! |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | nominates jelly-home to package the spoons! |
| 21:04.52 | zinx | abrotman: they're already packaged! |
| 21:05.01 | enouf | jelly-home: we established the fact that cause it's not "maintained" |
| 21:05.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: there are none |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | sporks? |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | shakes his fist at amphi |
| 21:05.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm afraid I'm afraid of sporks. They're unnatural. |
| 21:05.38 | enouf | throws a Registry into the channel |
| 21:05.52 | enouf | hides |
| 21:06.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: http://xkcd.com/419/ |
| 21:06.09 | zinx | abrotman: you should know that a former xmms developer is far too lazy to maintain a debian package :P |
| 21:06.10 | n3kl | xmms has better replacements anyway |
| 21:06.28 | sema4r | like what ? |
| 21:06.40 | abrotman | please don't say audacious |
| 21:06.45 | jelly-home | hugs his 250MB eating Qt/KDE app |
| 21:06.55 | enouf | ... |
| 21:07.02 | n3kl | jelly-home: ? |
| 21:07.05 | enouf | !bloatsmite jelly-home |
| 21:07.06 | dpkg | removes jelly-home from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.) |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | while audacious has the familiar interface .. it's a hog/slow compared to xmms1 |
| 21:07.20 | n3kl | I just prefer amarok |
| 21:07.23 | jelly-home | n3kl: amarok |
| 21:07.35 | enouf | wow, it's actually a factoid :-P |
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| 21:08.36 | enouf | what's even more amazing is that i didn't typo :-P |
| 21:08.57 | zinx | xmms2 doesn't even have a gui |
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| 21:09.04 | zinx | not sure how that qualifies as bloat |
| 21:09.18 | thedonvaughn | <3 mpd |
| 21:09.24 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it still is, but it's likely going to be jettisoned. Pretty much only unmaintained things still use it |
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| 21:09.33 | n3kl | thedonvaughn: what mpd client do you use? |
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| 21:10.00 | enouf | likens jettisoned terminolgy to deplane ;-) |
| 21:10.10 | enouf | er + o |
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| 21:10.59 | thedonvaughn | n3kl: ncmpc or just mpc |
| 21:12.05 | n3kl | thedonvaughn: ah. I played with mpd for a while, but I just favored realtime updates of amarok and the like, rather than having to scan your entire collection if you move one file |
| 21:12.39 | zinx | know what debian needs? libglitz / cairo with glitz support :( |
| 21:12.51 | n3kl | what is glitz |
| 21:12.52 | n3kl | ? |
| 21:13.00 | thedonvaughn | n3kl: yah but i can't play music from computer a using computer b using amarok |
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| 21:13.07 | thedonvaughn | n3kl: but yah |
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| 21:13.12 | zinx | (actually, i suppose it already has libglitz) |
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| 21:13.31 | {`} | you know, when i did a net install the other day, there were copies of my shadow files in the form of shadow~. anyone have any ideas how that happened? |
| 21:13.40 | {`} | that, and portmap was running on its own |
| 21:13.51 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: "ssh a dcop [...]" |
| 21:13.56 | {`} | is it really secure to do netinstalls, or should people just download the entire dvd/cd set to be safe? |
| 21:14.14 | jelly-home | {`}: safe from what? |
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| 21:14.50 | jelly-home | netinst is pretty much all I use all the time |
| 21:15.16 | {`} | jelly-home: i thought i described the problems in the posts |
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| 21:15.45 | {`} | but if you're going to do a netinstall, just know that there are potential problems/security loopholes that should be checked before running/installing any further apps |
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| 21:15.50 | {`} | shame on you folks. i swear |
| 21:15.55 | jelly-home | {`}: posts? |
| 21:15.57 | dondelelcaro | {`}: ~ is the standard backup of shadow; portmap will run if you're using nfs, which only runs on localhost. |
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| 21:16.29 | dondelelcaro | {`}: so neither of them is a problem security-wise, per-se. [And portmap doesn't run as root, either.] |
| 21:16.36 | thedonvaughn | jelly-home: yah guess dcop would work |
| 21:16.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: isn't /etc/shadow- the standard backup? |
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| 21:16.46 | {`} | i wasn't running nfs |
| 21:17.34 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: err, yeah; should be shadow-; unless you're using emacs to edit it or something. |
| 21:17.58 | dondelelcaro | {`}: nfs support is part of the standard system, so you get the ability to mount nfs shares by default. |
| 21:18.08 | dondelelcaro | {`}: if you don't want it, you can easily remove portmap, etc. |
| 21:18.16 | jelly-home | {`}: I have no /etc/shadow~ on a recently installed machine |
| 21:18.17 | {`} | dondelelcaro: i know how to disable it |
| 21:18.25 | dondelelcaro | {`}: so what's the problem then? |
| 21:18.40 | {`} | that's not the issue at hand. the issue at hand is the vulnerabilities that are present |
| 21:18.40 | {`} | and apparently exploited |
| 21:18.42 | dondelelcaro | {`}: what vulnerabilities? |
| 21:18.47 | {`} | nevermind |
| 21:18.49 | {`} | you win |
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| 21:19.18 | dondelelcaro | portmap is running on localhost only, as a non-root user. Conceivably you could have a local exploit of the daemon user, but that's pretty much a dead end. |
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| 21:20.20 | {`} | if it's all a game, then *everything* is fair game |
| 21:20.29 | {`} | i hope you have backups |
| 21:20.37 | dondelelcaro | {`}: huh? |
| 21:21.20 | dondelelcaro | a local exploit to another non-login non-root user is pretty much useless. |
| 21:21.53 | {`} | do you know how to decrypt a salt? |
| 21:22.21 | {`} | so let's stop there |
| 21:22.38 | dondelelcaro | huh? decrypt a salt? |
| 21:22.52 | {`} | ... |
| 21:22.54 | dondelelcaro | you don't decrypt salts |
| 21:23.01 | {`} | right |
| 21:23.11 | jelly-home | {`}: can you reproduce getting an other-readable shadow~ reliably? |
| 21:23.40 | jelly-home | {`}: if so, it should be reported as a serious bug. |
| 21:23.40 | {`} | you'd have to ask him to help me with that |
| 21:23.47 | {`} | but i'm positive i could |
| 21:23.57 | {`} | i thought that's what i was doing here |
| 21:24.23 | jelly-home | nope, this channel is only for support |
| 21:24.24 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 21:24.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 21:24.53 | dondelelcaro | though if you do have a method of reproducing such a problem, we'd be glad to help you file the bug |
| 21:24.57 | {`} | well, i know what to look for, i just pray everyone else does, too. i've done my civil duty |
| 21:25.02 | {`} | dude, whatever |
| 21:25.26 | jelly-home | {`}: you haven't in the least explained how did you achieve this |
| 21:25.40 | enouf | clit |
| 21:25.45 | {`} | i'm not here to argue |
| 21:25.56 | {`} | i'm just here to make a simple point. if it's taken, fine, if not, fine. |
| 21:26.33 | {`} | on a side note, if the dev community is anything like the support community, i can see how people are reluctant to assist |
| 21:27.03 | enouf | you need a good lickin |
| 21:28.05 | n3kl | meh, I don't take people too seriously when they use the phrase "decrypt a salt" |
| 21:28.16 | jelly-home | {`}: we're all volunteers here too, and cannot even try to figure out what's wrong if you're not willing to show more details of how to reproduce the symptoms |
| 21:28.32 | {`} | right |
| 21:28.42 | {`} | thank you for enduring my tirade. i'm done |
| 21:28.48 | jelly-home | ffs. |
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| 21:29.15 | jelly-home | thanks for wasting my time, prick |
| 21:29.27 | {`} | i don't remember addressing this to you |
| 21:29.30 | n3kl | don't let the door hit ya |
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| 21:29.39 | fairway | hi |
| 21:29.45 | fairway | whats a free realtime java / realtime linux platform solution? |
| 21:29.49 | n3kl | fairway: AhHoy! |
| 21:30.12 | wols_ | !tell fairway about search |
| 21:30.21 | wols_ | fairway: for anything else not in debian, ask ##linux |
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| 21:30.40 | fairway | sun's not free |
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| 21:30.52 | wols_ | there are several jvms in debian |
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| 21:31.08 | fairway | RTS 2.1 isnt free |
| 21:31.14 | jelly-home | what do you mean by "realtime java"? |
| 21:31.35 | abrotman | slo-mo java is the alternative :) |
| 21:31.48 | fairway | java vm for realtime applications |
| 21:31.52 | wols_ | a RT java on a non RT kernel. the mind boggles |
| 21:31.58 | abrotman | fairway: the sun java is not adequate? |
| 21:32.03 | fairway | szcg as http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/realtime/ |
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| 21:32.06 | fairway | which isnt free |
| 21:32.20 | abrotman | fairway: icedtea? |
| 21:32.35 | fairway | what? |
| 21:32.51 | wols_ | fairway: icedtea is a java implementation |
| 21:32.52 | zinx | jelly-home: most likely, java with guaranteed response times |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | oh .. i see .. it's a separate implmentation |
| 21:33.02 | jelly-home | fairway: so, a free implementation of JSR-001? |
| 21:33.15 | pleed_ | Hi, is it possible to redirect the boot text into a file? |
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| 21:33.28 | fairway | jelly-home: yes right |
| 21:33.45 | jelly-home | fairway: you think it exists? :-) |
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| 21:34.00 | fairway | jelly-home: I pray |
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| 21:38.14 | jelly-home | wols_: apparently ibm's implementation works on RTLinux |
| 21:38.31 | obmij | anyone know a decent gui frontend for qemu? |
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| 21:40.08 | jelly-home | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/woolf/WebSphere+Real+Time # not free |
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| 21:41.06 | n3kl | obmij: doesn't it have its own now? |
| 21:41.18 | henrique | hi, is it possible to have a package with only data files being installed in a vfat partition? |
| 21:41.23 | n3kl | obmij: also, tried virtualbox? |
| 21:41.25 | obmij | I type in command line qemu, it gives me a list of stuff |
| 21:41.36 | henrique | i.e, avoid the dpkg error message about not being possible to adjust permissions |
| 21:41.39 | n3kl | obmij: http://kqemu.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 21:41.40 | obmij | s/stuff/parsable options |
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| 21:41.46 | n3kl | obmij: that was the one I was thinking of |
| 21:41.53 | n3kl | obmij: did you even google? |
| 21:42.04 | obmij | yeah but I was wondering if I could aptitude it |
| 21:42.10 | obmij | and it didn't show up |
| 21:42.10 | henrique | I already tried to disable the dh_fixperms script in my debian/rules file, but it doesn't works |
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| 21:42.18 | obmij | kqemu-source is not it |
| 21:42.32 | obmij | I don't know about kqemu-common but I don't think that's it either |
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| 21:42.48 | obmij | (those are loadable kernels modules for qemu or something) |
| 21:43.01 | enouf | henrique: what? |
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| 21:43.16 | obmij | enouf, your name sounds like enoof :P |
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| 21:43.32 | ceil420 | in my head, it's "enough" |
| 21:43.33 | enouf | watch out |
| 21:43.41 | enouf | yes |
| 21:43.42 | jelly-home | obmij: something l with libvirt? |
| 21:43.51 | henrique | enouf, I need a sample data package |
| 21:43.52 | jelly-home | obmij: something using libvirt perhaps? |
| 21:44.05 | a-atwood | ouch. I switched to testing, and don't see any xen kernels listed. Just the hypervisor. |
| 21:44.06 | obmij | jelly-home, the gui!? |
| 21:44.21 | henrique | enouf, an this package needs to be installed on a vfat partition, but dpkg always fail with a message saying it is not possible to fix the permissions of the files |
| 21:44.22 | enouf | henrique: what's a data packge? |
| 21:44.54 | enouf | henrique: vfat is an MPoop atrocity |
| 21:44.55 | obmij | I think I'm gonna be better off with VirtualBOX ;/ |
| 21:45.00 | jelly-home | !info virt-viewer |
| 21:45.02 | obmij | how do I clean cache again? |
| 21:45.06 | henrique | enouf, a package with just binary files, used by a main application... like a map application, where the viewer is the main package and the maps are in the data package |
| 21:45.09 | fairway | jelly-home: ibm's RTS? |
| 21:45.19 | jelly-home | fairway: yes |
| 21:45.19 | a-atwood | !info xen |
| 21:45.24 | dpkg | virt-viewer: (Displaying the graphical console of a virtual machine), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 21:45.25 | n3kl | obmij: apt-get clean |
| 21:45.42 | jelly-home | fairway: ... apparently; I just did a 2 minute google search |
| 21:45.45 | enouf | henrique: sorry, no idea wtf you're rambling about - try WINE maybe? |
| 21:45.47 | henrique | enouf, I already tried to disable the dh_fixperms, is there something else I could try? |
| 21:45.58 | obmij | apt-get clean just returns, is my cache always empty? |
| 21:46.10 | obmij | aptitude doesn't fill cache ? :P |
| 21:46.35 | jelly-home | obmij: apt-get clean cleaned the cache, silently. |
| 21:46.44 | obmij | but that was pretty fast |
| 21:46.47 | henrique | enouf, WINE? why? |
| 21:46.48 | enouf | henrique: vfat doesn't have the concepts of *nix permissions |
| 21:47.07 | obmij | jelly-home, I sometimes install an assload of packages and when I apt-get clean, it returns 0.5 a second later |
| 21:47.23 | obmij | I doubt it can removes gigs of data that fast |
| 21:47.26 | obmij | remove* |
| 21:47.28 | henrique | enouf, right, but why the dpkg has to fix the permissions? |
| 21:47.30 | enouf | vfat has 4 attributes; hidden, system, read only, archive |
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| 21:47.44 | jelly-home | obmij: I doubt you install gigs of packages in one go |
| 21:47.44 | obmij | enouf, fat has had those like forever |
| 21:47.45 | enouf | just like DOS |
| 21:48.01 | obmij | jelly-home, no I don't clean immediately... I just keep installing and installing and ... |
| 21:48.04 | henrique | enouf, yes, and that's why I want to disable the permission fixing by dpkg |
| 21:48.19 | jelly-home | obmij: compare df /var/cache/apt/archives before and after |
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| 21:48.41 | obmij | shouldn't that be du? :) |
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| 21:49.04 | rysiek|pl | someone remind me how to change ext3 to ext2?.. |
| 21:49.08 | enouf | henrique: i will say i'm sorry, i don't know before i ask you to sniff more glue ;0 |
| 21:49.32 | jelly-home | obmij: nah! I clean it up when there's no more space on the partition; so I'm interested in df :-) |
| 21:49.45 | obmij | hah :D |
| 21:49.52 | obmij | I had an exam a few days ago |
| 21:49.55 | obmij | and it asked me what df does |
| 21:49.59 | obmij | and I left the question blank |
| 21:50.05 | obmij | eventhough I use it on a daily basis |
| 21:50.08 | obmij | or rather a minutely basis |
| 21:50.10 | rysiek|pl | nvm, got it |
| 21:50.26 | obmij | if I could sink in to the ground I would gladly do so |
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| 21:51.35 | henrique | enouf, bleh |
| 21:51.57 | enouf | henrique: why on earth are you messing with vfat |
| 21:51.59 | enouf | ? |
| 21:52.00 | obmij | jelly-home, isn't that a shame? for someone who has linux on almost every machine he owns |
| 21:52.16 | obmij | I just hope my exam paper gets lost or eaten by a dog or something |
| 21:52.21 | Mr-R | obmij: next time imagine typing the command... its quite haptic. like emacs comannd sequences. :) |
| 21:52.26 | enouf | henrique: the ONLY reason is to run win98 with Acrobat reader 4.0 |
| 21:52.37 | henrique | enouf, 'cause I need to put these data inside a partition that is vfat... just to clarify, I'm working with maemo |
| 21:52.42 | obmij | god, and the prof KNOWS me |
| 21:52.53 | obmij | and he has expectations and shit |
| 21:53.01 | obmij | -_- |
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| 21:53.05 | enouf | henrique: reformat it - i have never heard of mainm |
| 21:53.07 | henrique | enouf, we have there a basic partition where teorically all the programs go... and an internal memory card with 2gb of space |
| 21:53.17 | jelly-home | obmij: tell her you were stoned out of your mind! |
| 21:53.22 | obmij | I came in late |
| 21:53.23 | jelly-home | him* |
| 21:53.27 | obmij | I could say I was getting smashed |
| 21:53.48 | obmij | I didn't look high or smell like weed |
| 21:53.49 | enouf | henrique: sounds like a silly setup - but i'm annoyed and can't offer anything useful |
| 21:53.51 | henrique | enouf, of course, the data can't be in the "programs partition", because they are too huge |
| 21:53.54 | obmij | that's the bad part |
| 21:53.56 | jelly-home | !maemo |
| 21:53.56 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/, or #maemo (irc.freenode.net) |
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| 21:54.25 | obmij | God I bombed that exam |
| 21:54.27 | henrique | enouf, that's fine to me reformat it, but I need to supply it to a normal user |
| 21:54.30 | obmij | I feel terrible |
| 21:54.30 | enouf | henrique: if i continue, i'll regret it .. sorry |
| 21:54.43 | henrique | enouf, np |
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| 21:56.14 | obmij | what's stupid is how mathworks's servers keep going down constantly, I've been trying to download matlab for like 2 days now |
| 21:56.28 | obmij | anyone here use matlab? |
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| 21:58.35 | some_dude | I'm looking for virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 21:59.32 | dondelelcaro | obmij: why not use octave or freemat? |
| 21:59.41 | obmij | the prof forces it |
| 21:59.51 | obmij | we gotta do 'matlab assigments' and hand the files in |
| 22:00.01 | dondelelcaro | obmij: what sort of class is that? |
| 22:00.02 | obmij | and I hate the pathetic language too |
| 22:00.12 | obmij | dondelelcaro, signal and systems |
| 22:00.17 | obmij | signals* |
| 22:00.25 | dondelelcaro | obmij: and even if that's the case, the professor should accept octave or freemat instead |
| 22:00.26 | obmij | signal processing |
| 22:00.42 | obmij | yeah well :/ |
| 22:00.47 | micols | how do i export a ramdisk as nfs or nbd to a client i want to write a FS to it? |
| 22:01.01 | devhell | anyone have evilwm running and problems with xclock? |
| 22:01.11 | dondelelcaro | obmij: you should talk to the professor and explain that you don't want to use matlab, and wish to use octave instead |
| 22:01.21 | micols | devhell: what kind of problems? |
| 22:01.36 | devhell | time doesnt update micols .. |
| 22:01.46 | micols | devhell: never had that problem with my evilwm :) |
| 22:01.52 | devhell | ;) |
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| 22:02.07 | obmij | I doubt he'd change the corriculum for this or force the TA to learn freemat or octave |
| 22:02.09 | zinx | dondelelcaro: if he hates the language.. i suspect using octave isn't going to help much |
| 22:02.21 | zinx | (it uses the same one :/ ) |
| 22:02.40 | obmij | or well I could cause a scene, but that needs another level of motivation |
| 22:02.48 | devhell | well, I do now.. and I don't use evilwm to often, but once in awhile I need it minimalistic.. well and now I don't have a working clock anymore.. :( |
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| 22:03.23 | rahsputin | abrotman I tried to reinstall Debian Etch (the hd-media way) but my pcmcia card is not reconized and it will not continue with the install |
| 22:03.45 | fairway | is it hard to install the RTAI extensions in debian ? |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | you sohuld still be able to get a base-system ? |
| 22:03.53 | obmij | dondelecaro, let me put it this way, the entire school the message resonating is "We're making you ready for your corporate owners and corporate slavery", all the way from the "job fairs" and "seminars" right down to the type of messages the profs and TAs resonate |
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| 22:04.29 | rahsputin | abrotman i couldnt find the modules for my card in /lib/..... |
| 22:04.44 | obmij | I doubt they'd have problems with pushing commercial products onto students |
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| 22:05.02 | obmij | eventhough they provide the applications for free on school computers |
| 22:05.17 | obmij | and also all students can get matlab student licenses |
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| 22:05.41 | obmij | all engineers having to deal with it anyway |
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| 22:06.22 | rahsputin | abrotman its a wireless card (orinoco_cs) hmm... is it possible to make an install with an netinstall.iso, the grub points to the .iso i mean ? |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | not that i know of .. |
| 22:06.39 | dondelelcaro | obmij: in the end, you're responsible for your education, regardless of what the school does; talk to the professor... you may be surprised. |
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| 22:07.23 | obmij | sure |
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| 22:07.46 | lfaraone | Hey, I seem to have some issues with pptpd, I apt-getted it, configured my local and remote IP, and restarted the service, but it doesn't seem to be listening on any ports (I ran nmap localhost and had no chnage) |
| 22:07.54 | lfaraone | Any idea why this might be occuring? |
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| 22:08.59 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to do a preseed install and use apt-cacher. In my preseed file, I'm pointing to my-apt-cache:3142 but d-i tells me that the specified mirror is either not available or doesn't have a valid Release file on it. I used wget to download the Release file in tty2 using the same host and path that I saw in tty4 (the install log) so manually, it works but doesn't otherwise. Why is that? |
| 22:10.39 | jkimball4 | is there a way to use bsd-style partitioning? |
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| 22:13.49 | dondelelcaro | jkimball4: yes, but almost everything supports dos partitions, so why bother? |
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| 22:15.10 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: Hi. We were chatting the other night about mirrors vs. proxies. I have apt-cacher working now. |
| 22:15.36 | cilkay | I'm still not sure it's going to work with preseed installations though. |
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| 22:18.08 | jkimball4 | dondelelcaro: how would i got about toying with the feature |
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| 22:18.54 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: cool; you just need to preseed the adress of the apt-cacher installation as the mirror, and you should be ok. |
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| 22:19.46 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: Hasn't worked for so far. The same address that d-i tells me it can't find a Release file on, I can use wget to download on tty2. |
| 22:19.49 | cilkay | I'm stumped. |
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| 22:19.55 | asdzx | hi |
| 22:20.13 | asdzx | i would like to send syslog messages to serial port |
| 22:20.22 | kragil | Hello there. I wanna help get libswfdec 0.8 into sid. What can do and who do I need to talk to? |
| 22:20.24 | dansushi | does anyone know how I can tell what applications are currently using the sound card? |
| 22:20.29 | asdzx | but i also want to print them to console |
| 22:20.35 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: what's the address you're giving to d-i? what's the sources.list entry that works? |
| 22:20.37 | asdzx | (this is happening now) |
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| 22:21.07 | enouf | dansushi: as root; lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|flash' |
| 22:21.21 | asdzx | dansushi i think you can do this via fuser and some files in /dev |
| 22:21.23 | enouf | dansushi: or fuser -m /dev/snd/* |
| 22:21.27 | dansushi | thanks |
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| 22:22.13 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: I'm giving it the exact same address that I have working on another machine, lab21:3142. I can see in tty4 in the installer log that it's attempting to d/l the Release file using wget but it eventually fails. On tty2, I can type the *exact* same string that failed in the logs and d/l the Release file in a second. |
| 22:22.19 | enouf | dansushi: maybe add 'pulse' to that egrep |
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| 22:23.07 | asdzx | can i add two lines with, for example, 'mail.info' in syslog ? |
| 22:23.16 | asdzx | if i want to log it into two files |
| 22:23.21 | dansushi | enouf: the playback device "hw:0,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
| 22:23.32 | dansushi | enouf: I cannot seem to determine which application is hogging the sound card |
| 22:23.36 | enouf | dansushi: hah - jack |
| 22:23.41 | dondelelcaro | kragil: see #498827; an upload of it to NEW has been made; it'll go through when NEW is next processed. |
| 22:23.46 | dansushi | enouf: I thought you would say that |
| 22:24.19 | asdzx | isn't jack that cool game ? :) |
| 22:24.23 | dansushi | enouf: I usually avoid the problem by using cards that have the EMU101K chipset. For some reason I never have any issues with those sound cards and applications hogging them |
| 22:24.24 | enouf | dansushi: hw:0,0 is the older OSS nomenclature for sound devices |
| 22:24.32 | dansushi | asdzx: you're thinking of "you don't know jack" |
| 22:24.50 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: does wget on tty4 produce any useful output? [what does it fail with?] |
| 22:25.08 | cilkay | one sec, trying again |
| 22:25.17 | dansushi | enouf: well even if I just do this: jackd -Rv -d alsa |
| 22:25.26 | enouf | dansushi: multiple sound cards can be an issue |
| 22:25.37 | dansushi | enouf: I still get this error: the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
| 22:25.44 | dansushi | enouf: Only have one sound card |
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| 22:26.12 | kragil | dondelelcaro: thank you very much :) |
| 22:26.13 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: no useful output. |
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| 22:26.55 | Doctor_Nick | is there a daemon that monitors directories for added or removed files and executes something if there are? |
| 22:27.09 | dondelelcaro | kragil: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html is where you can follow its status |
| 22:27.27 | amphi | Doctor_Nick: you could use inotifywait, if you want to monitor something specific |
| 22:27.41 | enouf | dansushi: i have not yet messed with JACK, so not sure - alsa use 'default' as device so that it can do it's software mixing with dsnoop/d<something> IINM |
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| 22:28.22 | kragil | dondelelcaro: Great! I was just about to ask ;) |
| 22:28.56 | Doctor_Nick | amphi: that's a system call, right? |
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| 22:29.17 | amphi | Doctor_Nick: no, it's a userspace prog |
| 22:29.18 | enouf | dansushi: /msg dpkg soundcheck |
| 22:29.28 | Doctor_Nick | o |
| 22:29.43 | pzn | Hi, I have some messages on the console "eth1 link down" and "eth1 link up". is there any file where I can get more information about the timestamp of this event? |
| 22:29.50 | amphi | Doctor_Nick: in inotifytools package (on testing, at least) |
| 22:30.01 | amphi | Doctor_Nick: er, inotify-tools |
| 22:30.03 | Doctor_Nick | ok, that looks like what i need |
| 22:30.04 | Doctor_Nick | thanks |
| 22:30.47 | enouf | pzn: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 22:32.15 | lgbr | How can I get the 'lp' command? I'm not sure what package it's in. |
| 22:32.34 | wols_ | lgbr: search for bin/lp via pdo or apt-file |
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| 22:32.46 | pzn | enouf: it was not a boot thing, it occoured in normal operation, I just need to know the timestamp, to know who were at the place when the cable were disconnected... |
| 22:32.59 | wols_ | pzn: syslog |
| 22:33.13 | lgbr | wols_: oooh awesome. thanks! |
| 22:33.20 | enouf | ~$ sudo rgrep -l eth /var/log/ | sudo xargs grep -il down |
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| 22:33.25 | asdzx | is there any daemon which will save logs comes from serial port ? |
| 22:33.28 | bolt | on a core 2 quad, should I use 64bit debian? how can I get that? |
| 22:33.48 | wols_ | bolt: liek any other. desktop or server and how much RAM= |
| 22:33.51 | wols_ | ? |
| 22:34.02 | bolt | wols_: server. 4gb. will be 8 |
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| 22:34.14 | wols_ | then yes, you want the amd64 iso |
| 22:34.24 | gnufs | hello |
| 22:34.24 | gnufs | i'm running a minimal install |
| 22:34.24 | gnufs | how can i control which processes begin at the startup? |
| 22:34.37 | bolt | wols_: why the amd part? |
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| 22:34.42 | wols_ | !tell gnufs about sysvinit |
| 22:34.47 | wols_ | bolt: cause that's the platform name |
| 22:34.47 | gray-- | gnufs: /etc/rc*.d |
| 22:34.48 | cilkay | dondelelcaro: I know why it's happening. For reasons I don't understand yet, the client can't reach the PXE server either by IP address or host name. My damned ISP hijacks DNS failures and returns an HTML page of Google results. Of course when I used wget manually, it downloaded a "Release" file. That file didn't have anything of use in there. |
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| 22:35.14 | cilkay | And of course diagnostic tools like ping break too. |
| 22:35.14 | gnufs | wols_, gray--: thanks |
| 22:35.34 | pzn | wols_: thanks. found it! |
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| 22:35.51 | cilkay | ping deadHost results in a response from my ISP, not "Host not found". |
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| 22:36.20 | obmij | someone here was wondering how to install virtualbox-ose-modules? |
| 22:36.22 | enouf | sounds like fun |
| 22:36.24 | obmij | I figured it out |
| 22:36.37 | gnufs | gray--: if i'm booting into runlevel2 should i look at rc2.d? |
| 22:36.46 | wols_ | gnufs: yes |
| 22:36.47 | sarrafo | someone already installed the lenny in a acer 7520 |
| 22:37.01 | wols_ | !tell sarrafo about laptop |
| 22:37.13 | enouf | ~$ sudo rgrep -l eth /var/log/ | sudo xargs grep -il down | grep syslog == zilch! |
| 22:37.27 | enouf | pzn: try again |
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| 22:38.43 | sarrafo | wols, during installation, it does not recognize the network lan (eth0) and tries to configure the network by firewire |
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| 22:39.07 | wols_ | sarrafo: what network chip? |
| 22:39.26 | enouf | # rgrep -l eth /var/log/ | xargs grep -il down | xargs |
| 22:39.28 | sarrafo | wols_, nvidia |
| 22:39.28 | enouf | /var/log/auth.log /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf/questions.dat /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf/templates.dat /var/log/debian-installer/status /var/log/boot /var/log/base-config.log.1 /var/log/boot.0 /var/log/kern.log.0 /var/log/messages.0 /var/log/auth.log.0 |
| 22:39.38 | wols_ | sarrafo: what debian version? |
| 22:39.47 | enouf | try those files you weenie |
| 22:40.10 | dudeman | weenie? |
| 22:40.20 | dudeman | like seriously |
| 22:40.31 | gnufs | wow this looks fun. wols_: just to be sure i understand this correctly. to disable 'S25bluetooth' i rename it to 'K75bluetooth'? |
| 22:41.02 | sarrafo | wols_: lenny |
| 22:41.30 | enouf | dudeman: why did i get those hits? |
| 22:41.45 | dudeman | like who says weenie anymore ? |
| 22:41.47 | dudeman | lol |
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| 22:42.04 | amphi | 'any more'? wtf? |
| 22:42.14 | enouf | dudeman: because those are the relevant files you weenie |
| 22:42.19 | dudeman | man only old people call weenie |
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| 22:42.58 | enouf | ups the voltage on his cane taser |
| 22:43.07 | dudeman | heh |
| 22:43.14 | dudeman | yo elsewhwere |
| 22:43.18 | dudeman | amphi, hi btw |
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| 22:43.53 | amphi | pon |
| 22:43.54 | jelly-home | dudeman: hey weenie, wassup! |
| 22:43.58 | dudeman | lol |
| 22:44.13 | dudeman | I'm a citizen of the united states now, thats whassup |
| 22:44.14 | wols_ | sarrafo: then your nvidia chip should be recognized |
| 22:44.17 | dudeman | whassup wid you! |
| 22:44.27 | dudeman | anyway im gonna stop before I get yelled at again |
| 22:44.34 | dudeman | :( |
| 22:44.52 | jelly-home | gut ;-) |
| 22:45.06 | enouf | you still need to sign up you weenie |
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| 22:45.11 | wols_ | dudeman: help sarrafo instead. nvidia lenny install on lappy. doesn't recognize the ethernet |
| 22:45.21 | wols_ | dudeman: or so he says |
| 22:45.22 | dudeman | oh I don't do nvidia |
| 22:45.23 | dudeman | I'm ATI |
| 22:45.24 | wols_ | needs sleep |
| 22:45.26 | dudeman | sorry dude |
| 22:45.31 | wols_ | dudeman: network. not graphics |
| 22:45.33 | dudeman | oh |
| 22:45.35 | elmo40 | anyone know the flag to select gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4.3 when doing a ./configure ? |
| 22:45.40 | enouf | if you can't vote, you're not a citizen |
| 22:45.48 | wols_ | elmo40: export CC=/path |
| 22:45.48 | dudeman | I can |
| 22:46.00 | enouf | that's not what you told me |
| 22:46.07 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it's OT, but there are people who are citizens who cannot vote |
| 22:46.07 | dudeman | and I'm not talking about this here |
| 22:46.16 | dudeman | yeh what he said |
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| 22:46.26 | enouf | [02:40:06] <dudeman> I have not yet taken my oath |
| 22:46.34 | dudeman | I took it this morning |
| 22:46.42 | enouf | you're late! |
| 22:46.42 | dudeman | keep up with the other channle I'm talking to you in |
| 22:46.44 | dudeman | no |
| 22:46.48 | dudeman | youjust dont pa yattention |
| 22:46.49 | elmo40 | wols_: will this change for other ./configures? or just a temporary thing? |
| 22:46.50 | gnufs | i'll redirect my question to general: to disable 'S25bluetooth' (in /etc/rc*.d/) should i rename it to 'K75bluetooth'? |
| 22:46.52 | dudeman | and you gonna get me yelel at |
| 22:46.52 | dudeman | stop! |
| 22:46.53 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:46.55 | jelly-home | enouf: #debian-offtopic plz |
| 22:47.13 | amphi | dudeman: did you swear on a copy of 'The Call of Cthulhu"? |
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| 22:47.40 | dudeman | elmo40, yes just export the CC variable |
| 22:47.46 | sarrafo | wols_: |
| 22:47.50 | dudeman | elmo40, export CC=/path/to/gcc/youwannause |
| 22:47.51 | dudeman | something |
| 22:47.53 | sarrafo | wols_: But it is not what happens, I have a PC with nvidia network that normally installed, this note does not want to install a way |
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| 22:48.09 | dudeman | elmo40, like export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 22:48.15 | dudeman | er.. backwards |
| 22:48.17 | sarrafo | dudeman: you can help |
| 22:48.29 | dudeman | sarrafo, I'm not sure but I can try |
| 22:48.30 | dudeman | whats up |
| 22:49.24 | Mundus | That didn't work for me when I compiled vmware server, I had to cheat and make my own symlink gcc to gcc4.1 instead of gcc4.3 |
| 22:49.43 | dudeman | vmware doesn't follow debian package policies |
| 22:49.54 | dondelelcaro | you want make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4, actually |
| 22:49.58 | dudeman | perhaps the build script is hardcoded to use a particluar cc |
| 22:50.09 | dondelelcaro | since make may override CC otherwise |
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| 22:50.18 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, uhuh |
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| 22:50.43 | cilkay | Is there some where that d-i logs in a PXE installation besides tty4? |
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| 22:50.57 | dudeman | under root there is install log I think |
| 22:51.03 | cilkay | I just noticed something interesting but it scrolled by too quickly for me to read it. |
| 22:51.12 | dudeman | (I think not p ositive) |
| 22:51.13 | cilkay | dudeman: But the system hasn't been installed yet. |
| 22:51.14 | SnoFox | Can somehone help? On boot, Debian says it's unable to set the system clock to <insert correct time here>. I've installed ntp already... |
| 22:51.28 | dudeman | cilkay, other than tty4 I don't know of another way |
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| 22:51.35 | cilkay | I'm doing a preseed installation via PXE. |
| 22:51.39 | cilkay | That's pretty lame. |
| 22:51.41 | dudeman | cilkay, I haven't really browsed much in the install system |
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| 22:51.53 | dudeman | cilkay, why is it lame? |
| 22:52.01 | cilkay | I doubt it's true. |
| 22:52.13 | Mundus | SnoFox: Is the clock correct when logged in? |
| 22:52.18 | dudeman | yes, thats the extent of my knowledge |
| 22:52.25 | dudeman | I thought that was obvious |
| 22:52.31 | SnoFox | Mundus: No. |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | cilkay: /var/log/ ? |
| 22:52.34 | sarrafo | dudeman: I am checking the right type of card |
| 22:52.38 | cilkay | It's lame if there is nothing other than logging tty4 because it makes it difficult to troubleshoot. |
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| 22:52.54 | SnoFox | Mundus: I have to manually tell it to sync with an Internet server. Gets rather annoying. |
| 22:52.54 | Mundus | SnoFox: Is this by any chance a ThinkPad laptop? |
| 22:52.57 | SnoFox | Nope |
| 22:53.02 | SnoFox | eMachines Desktop |
| 22:53.02 | dudeman | sarrafo, does lspci report the card? |
| 22:53.17 | dudeman | ew |
| 22:53.25 | dudeman | emachiens are horrible computers |
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| 22:53.35 | SnoFox | Eh. Not when I put Debian on them. :] |
| 22:53.40 | Mundus | I have the same error, and it's because my thinkpad doesn't let linux set my system clock, so my computer clock is always 2 hours fast |
| 22:53.55 | cilkay | abrotman: /var/log of what? Not the server because it has no idea what d-i is doing on the client that just PXE booted and is doing a preseed install. Not the client because there is no filesystem on the disk yet. |
| 22:54.16 | cilkay | There is only a RAM disk. |
| 22:54.29 | cilkay | Might be in /var/log of that. |
| 22:54.32 | cilkay | I'll look. |
| 22:54.41 | SnoFox | Well, the first time I booted Debian, fsck said the last FS check was set over 1year in the future... I assume it has to do with this clock error. xD |
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| 22:55.10 | dudeman | SnoFox, you can sync via ntp? |
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| 22:55.20 | EtherNet | hey guys |
| 22:55.23 | dudeman | put that into your startup |
| 22:55.29 | dudeman | !ntpdate |
| 22:55.29 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
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| 22:55.51 | dudeman | obsolete? |
| 22:55.53 | SnoFox | Okay. |
| 22:55.54 | dudeman | what? |
| 22:55.56 | dudeman | why? |
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| 22:57.01 | SnoFox | There is no /etc/defaults >.< |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | it's a directory |
| 22:58.14 | SnoFox | I know |
| 22:58.25 | jelly-home | SnoFox: no directory at all? That's highly unusual |
| 22:58.25 | EtherNet | guys I am having a serious problem with apt-get / synaptic / aptitude etc.... when a package (normally a big one like 10mb or more) it hangs when reaches 100%.. until it finishes because of timeout |
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| 22:58.34 | EtherNet | I can't do anything with this issue |
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| 22:58.49 | SnoFox | Panther:/# cd /etc/defaults/ |
| 22:58.49 | SnoFox | bash: cd: /etc/defaults/: No such file or directory |
| 22:58.56 | jelly-home | SnoFox: check your backups for when it disappeared; a debian system should have it |
| 22:59.43 | craigevil | its default not defaults |
| 22:59.57 | SnoFox | oh wow I feel stupid. |
| 23:00.04 | cilkay | abrotman: It's in /var/log/syslog of the RAM disk on the client. |
| 23:00.06 | cilkay | Thanks. |
| 23:00.13 | abrotman | cilkay: see .. you think i'm crazy eh? |
| 23:00.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s,defaults/,default/, |
| 23:00.19 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
| 23:00.41 | cilkay | abrotman: Don't let your imagination get carried away :) |
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| 23:01.15 | lolman | hi |
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| 23:01.46 | lolman | does anyone know how i can print a pdf document (2 A4 pages) in double size (4 A4 pages)? |
| 23:01.51 | cilkay | aaargh! When I type on my newly preseeded system, all I get are diamonds. I'm sure it's a local problem. |
| 23:02.00 | cilkay | How do I work around this? |
| 23:02.15 | EtherNet | any idea about timeout when a packages reaches 100% under apt-get/synaptic/aptitude ? |
| 23:02.21 | jelly-home | cilkay: X or console? |
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| 23:02.25 | cilkay | console |
| 23:02.31 | cilkay | I did a base install. |
| 23:02.47 | cilkay | I specified en_CA.UTF-8 for the locale. |
| 23:02.49 | jelly-home | cilkay: um. "setfont iso01.f16" |
| 23:02.54 | cilkay | ... in the preseed file. |
| 23:03.00 | zinx | lolman: you mean make the text bigger? pdf is not designed to do that |
| 23:03.03 | SnoFox | So the server line should look like this in ntp.conf: |
| 23:03.08 | SnoFox | server <server> iburst |
| 23:03.10 | SnoFox | ? |
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| 23:03.18 | cilkay | jelly-home: If I could log in, I could do that but I can't. |
| 23:03.41 | zinx | lolman: pdf has all the layout already done.. consider using a different format |
| 23:03.48 | lolman | zinx: that sucks. is there a workaround for that? |
| 23:04.00 | SnoFox | Also, ntp.conf is in /etc/, not /etc/default/, it seems. |
| 23:04.07 | zinx | lolman: a pdf editor, or converting to something that's actually reasonably editable |
| 23:04.08 | jelly-home | cilkay: you can't log in blindly? |
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| 23:04.12 | cilkay | no |
| 23:04.18 | cilkay | Actually, I'll try ssh. |
| 23:04.58 | SnoFox | Oh well. I'll come back later if it doesn't work. I need to get compiz working now... |
| 23:05.15 | jelly-home | cilkay: is the login prompt readable, but just your input diamondy? |
| 23:05.17 | cilkay | Interesting. I'm in via ssh. |
| 23:05.29 | lolman | zinx: do you know how to print an A3 page in 2 A4 pages? |
| 23:05.31 | cilkay | Everything is readable except when I type, it's all diamonds. |
| 23:05.38 | cilkay | Must be keyboard mapping. |
| 23:05.46 | jelly-home | cilkay: hmph. "loadkeys us" |
| 23:05.49 | cilkay | A shell via ssh works. |
| 23:05.55 | zinx | lolman: no, i do not :( |
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| 23:06.27 | jelly-home | cilkay: do that as root, try again typing at the console |
| 23:06.40 | cilkay | That did it. Thank you! |
| 23:06.50 | cilkay | I wonder how I can preseed that away. |
| 23:07.24 | jelly-home | cilkay: sounds like you might need to preseed something in console-tools |
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| 23:08.17 | cilkay | Since I've given up for now on the idea of being able to do complete preseed installations going against my local apt-cacher cache, I'm going to have to do this in two stages anyway. |
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| 23:08.32 | cilkay | I'll install a minimal base system with ssh and cfengine. |
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| 23:09.02 | cilkay | Then I'll complete the rest of it by using cfengine. |
| 23:11.16 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 23:12.35 | haroot | debian is getting better and better |
| 23:12.35 | elmo40 | dudeman, wols_, thanks |
| 23:12.43 | haroot | i can't wait til the graphical install is commonly used |
| 23:12.57 | haroot | my old housemate is a developer |
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| 23:14.49 | sarrafo | dudeman: Sorry for the delay .. nvidia deposited unknown 054c rev a2 |
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| 23:15.26 | crashanddie | haroot, GUI install ftl |
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| 23:15.41 | crashanddie | TUI ftw |
| 23:16.09 | elmo40 | Elive uses some sort of GUI installer. |
| 23:16.42 | gnufs | ello again |
| 23:16.42 | gnufs | how can i set my minimal install to auto login to a certain user? |
| 23:17.13 | zinx | gnufs: that tends to be a feature of the display manager |
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| 23:17.31 | zinx | (which may not be something that you have in a minimal install... depends on what you mean by minimal) |
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| 23:17.44 | gnufs | zinx: minimal = cli only |
| 23:18.41 | zinx | gnufs: you could alter your inittab to start a session for a particular user on a one or more ttys |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | gnufs: you could set one of the terminals to do it |
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| 23:19.05 | zinx | gnufs: you'd use login -f username or somesuch |
| 23:19.28 | gnufs | zinx: where should i append that? |
| 23:19.44 | gnufs | abrotman: how? |
| 23:20.21 | bbelt16ag | peeps how do I see what packages I installed? |
| 23:20.42 | zinx | bbelt16ag: dpkg --list |
| 23:20.59 | zinx | or use your favorite package manager |
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| 23:23.59 | jelly-home | gnufs: in inittab, make a getty run a custom script as login process |
| 23:25.03 | jelly-home | gnufs: eg. I used to run one on tty12, 12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /usr/local/sbin/gnj tty12 |
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| 23:25.47 | gnufs | jelly-home: thanks, i'll try it and report |
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| 23:26.26 | sarrafo | can you help me with a note Acer Aspire 7520, the installation he did not recognize the device, which is an ethernet nvidia .. |
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| 23:27.01 | abrotman | whichi nstaller? |
| 23:27.03 | sarrafo | debian lenny |
| 23:27.13 | abrotman | a daily or the beta1? |
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| 23:27.19 | jelly-home | gnufs: one could easily put an "exec su - username" into such a script |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | wonders what happened to rc1 |
| 23:27.50 | gnufs | jelly-home: is /usr/local/sbin/gnj the location of the login script? |
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| 23:28.47 | jelly-home | gnufs: yes, that's where my script resided |
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| 23:29.43 | abrotman | gnufs: you realize this is kind of a bad idea .. right ? |
| 23:29.59 | gnufs | abrotman: for security? |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:32.53 | gnufs | abrotman: you're right :) |
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| 23:34.44 | bewpy | why when i install debian, and when i get to the part where it asks for a mirror.. all the mirror dont wrk |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | does your network work ? |
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| 23:36.43 | jetscreamer | networkwork |
| 23:36.48 | bbelt16ag | um is there a how to around somewhere that show how to install the linux-image 2.6.26 package and configure it properly |
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| 23:37.23 | Mundus | Can I recommend m-a and build-essential? |
| 23:37.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-image-whatever_you_choose ... done |
| 23:37.32 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:37.36 | Mundus | =( |
| 23:37.37 | jetscreamer | he didn't say linux-source |
| 23:37.44 | dudeman | hey |
| 23:37.46 | dudeman | fix your dns |
| 23:37.48 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: and reboot! |
| 23:37.48 | dudeman | ffs |
| 23:37.50 | dudeman | lazy bum! |
| 23:37.50 | jetscreamer | yes dude |
| 23:37.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:37.55 | Mundus | dudeman: I did |
| 23:38.00 | jetscreamer | me |
| 23:38.26 | dudeman | networkworklol |
| 23:38.33 | Mundus | work network, WORK! |
| 23:38.39 | bunnyto | hi abrotman |
| 23:38.54 | Mundus | That |
| 23:38.57 | jetscreamer | how much work would a network work if a network worked@ms |
| 23:39.06 | jetscreamer | ok so the last didn't fit |
| 23:39.14 | bbelt16ag | ok so its plug and play? |
| 23:39.23 | Mundus | DAMN YOU KEYBOARD! That's what I said the first time I tried to configure a cisco, "Work network, WORK!" |
| 23:39.26 | bbelt16ag | well I installed the new kernel and it messed with my keyboard stuff |
| 23:39.42 | sonar1 | I really cznnot help you apart from debianhelp.co.uk |
| 23:39.45 | geek__ | jetscreamer: IIRC MS uses linux based routers ;p |
| 23:40.00 | jetscreamer | bbelt16ag: yes (udev&pray) :) j/k |
| 23:40.14 | jetscreamer | it works good |
| 23:40.15 | sonar1 | is a ciscogeek what di you need to know |
| 23:40.16 | sonar1 | ? |
| 23:40.17 | jetscreamer | unless you're me |
| 23:40.34 | sonar1 | byte me |
| 23:41.17 | bewpy | yes my network works |
| 23:42.20 | jetscreamer | bbelt16ag: like in console? try dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:42.28 | jetscreamer | or was it console-common... data iirc |
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| 23:43.55 | Cornmeal | Hey guys, it's me again. I'm installing Debian Etch 'n a Half on a Mac partition, and I'm having some problems with Grub installation. |
| 23:44.00 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:44.10 | Cornmeal | I'm sure it has something to do with EFI, but can't I install it on my single partition? |
| 23:44.18 | bbelt16ag | well its not doing it now with generic keyboard and mouse |
| 23:44.37 | bbelt16ag | its my fancy pants logitech keyboard wireless wave |
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| 23:47.19 | jetscreamer | Cornmeal: you might ask in #grub at the same time |
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| 23:47.29 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:47.48 | jetscreamer | Cornmeal: and /join... |
| 23:47.50 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 23:47.50 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 23:47.55 | voltage | What is a good secure client for 2 people to communicate over the internet? |
| 23:47.57 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 23:48.30 | jetscreamer | not 'sure' that helps, but |
| 23:48.36 | abrotman | voltage: you can use jabber over tls/ssl |
| 23:48.42 | Cornmeal | jetscreamer: sorry, I'm on an Intel mac. |
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| 23:48.47 | Cornmeal | Forgot to mention... |
| 23:48.49 | Mundus | voltage: I am, tell me everything and I will tell your friend or whatever what you told me |
| 23:48.54 | bunnyto | voltage: analog phone calls |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | bunnyto: have you tried #debian-offtopic? |
| 23:49.11 | jetscreamer | Cornmeal: still, it's not the hardware i guess |
| 23:49.25 | Cornmeal | Hmm... I'll try #grub |
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| 23:50.48 | voltage | you think an ISP can view irc chat in plain text? |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | if they want to |
| 23:51.14 | voltage | Oh they want to ;0 |
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| 23:52.24 | crashanddie | anyone can watch IRC in plain text |
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| 23:52.35 | crashanddie | unless you use SSL |
| 23:52.47 | pipeline | even if you do use ssl, it's undoubted that someone else in any given channel isn't :P |
| 23:53.01 | pipeline | on irc you may as well be yelling in a public square |
| 23:53.02 | SnoFox | What can I do to get my monitor in 1024x768 resolution? It was before I restarted. Now that option is gone from screen resolution. I don't remember how I fixed that in the first place.. |
| 23:53.15 | crashanddie | true, but no one can technically connect you to that channel |
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| 23:53.57 | phish | is it safe to run "apt-get autoremove" ? |
| 23:54.32 | Cornmeal | phish: It's a good idea to check if you need something first... |
| 23:54.45 | phish | *sigh.. |
| 23:54.52 | Cornmeal | Is it a big list? |
| 23:54.54 | phish | Yeah |
| 23:54.56 | phish | huuuge |
| 23:55.01 | Cornmeal | ......... |
| 23:55.05 | themill | then it's probably not a good idea |
| 23:55.13 | themill | dpkg: tell phish about unmarkauto |
| 23:55.15 | Cornmeal | Mebbe you could just deal with it. |
| 23:55.22 | phish | hah |
| 23:55.32 | bunnyto | SnoFox: reconfigure xorgy-serv |
| 23:55.35 | Cornmeal | Sorry, that doesn't look right when I'm not _saying_ it. |
| 23:55.37 | phish | it's really new install of debian so i don't mind screwing stuff up. |
| 23:55.53 | Cornmeal | Well, you can always reinstall... |
| 23:56.01 | Cornmeal | You could back up first. |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | bunnyto: if you're not going to help, just be quiet |
| 23:56.28 | Cornmeal | Hey, abrotman. |
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| 23:59.46 | Cornmeal | If I don't install Grub or Lilo, would it be able to boot using rEFIt? |
| 23:59.56 | Cornmeal | s/it/Debian |
| 23:59.59 | sonar1 | hrmm nope |