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| 00:00.08 | sonar1 | use grub |
| 00:00.11 | Cornmeal | I can't. |
| 00:00.17 | Cornmeal | EFI incompatibility. |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook ? |
| 00:00.54 | Cornmeal | "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot." |
| 00:01.02 | Cornmeal | I'll try the site. |
| 00:01.10 | bunnyto | does mackbook runs Debian? |
| 00:01.29 | sonar1 | hang on there Mr |
| 00:01.46 | sonar1 | seems like you have broken packages |
| 00:02.00 | sonar1 | you need devc kernel |
| 00:02.13 | Cornmeal | Talking to me, sonarl? |
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| 00:02.20 | Cornmeal | And bunnyto, I think it does. |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | Cornmeal: just ignore him |
| 00:02.48 | Cornmeal | abrotman: sonarl or bunnyto? |
| 00:02.49 | bunnyto | but.. but... but... |
| 00:03.03 | sonar1 | I am here |
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| 00:03.58 | jetscreamer | but me no buts |
| 00:04.41 | Cornmeal | sonarl: were you talking to me about devc kernel? |
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| 00:05.06 | xbj_mATX | enouf I solved me issue, if you're around |
| 00:05.17 | xbj_mATX | ha, my issue |
| 00:05.41 | pleed_ | I m trying to build an initramfs which opens dropbear to enter luks passphrase, the problem is that my script /dev/random and /dev/urandom around and it says it cant find /dev/random. is there anything i have to do in /etc/initramfs-tools to have /dev/(u)random in the initramfs? |
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| 00:05.59 | Cornmeal | Oops, disconnected accidentally... |
| 00:06.22 | sonar1 | ok well do notmake me be a cunt debianhelp debianadmin etc |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | sonar1: do you need help? |
| 00:06.50 | sonar1 | wiki |
| 00:07.11 | sonar1 | abrotman, is a bot ignore it |
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| 00:07.22 | abrotman | you are a bot? |
| 00:07.53 | Cornmeal | Comma usage fail? |
| 00:07.58 | sonar1 | abrotman, 1+2-£ right? |
| 00:08.01 | Cornmeal | Were you calling abrotman a bot? |
| 00:08.07 | EtherNet | guys, apt-get freezes with huge packages more than 5mb or so.... when it reaches 100%.... until it says timeout or "hash mismatch" something so.. with many packages..... it's happening since a week aprox ... any idea? |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | EtherNet: tried another mirror ? |
| 00:08.28 | EtherNet | abrotman, I will now.. lemme check other |
| 00:08.32 | Cornmeal | Sorry, abrotman. Do you sleep? |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:08.58 | Cornmeal | Okay, cause I saw you last night and now today. |
| 00:09.16 | bunnyto | she lives here |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | bunnyto: go to #debian-offtopic . last warning |
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| 00:11.32 | EtherNet | abrotman, now it's running from another mirror, I will tell you what happens when it reaches 100% |
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| 00:12.06 | pleed_ | How can i tell mkinitramfs to include a package? |
| 00:12.21 | abrotman | a module? |
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| 00:13.14 | EtherNet | abrotman, the same :( reached 100% and hanged.... |
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| 00:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heared hanging is quite painless |
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| 00:14.14 | abrotman | EtherNet: any other system weirdness? |
| 00:14.24 | Cornmeal | thinks CutMeOwnThroat heard wrong. |
| 00:14.25 | EtherNet | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | EtherNet: hanging? disk IO errors? anything odd in the syslog/messages |
| 00:14.56 | EtherNet | abrotman, ahh.. I don't think so, everything works properly & fine! |
| 00:15.04 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 00:15.07 | EtherNet | it's just with packages more than 3 or 4mb |
| 00:15.23 | pleed_ | abrotman: no a package like bash |
| 00:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | EtherNet, what happens if you install the package with dpkg directly? |
| 00:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | EtherNet, look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for downloaded packages |
| 00:16.40 | bbelt16ag | guys what app shoul di use to get a working xorg config |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | or use wget to get it again |
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| 00:16.43 | EtherNet | no they aren't fetched.. |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | pleed_: nope |
| 00:16.58 | bbelt16ag | mine is like not even a page long, there are no sections for a video driver |
| 00:17.00 | bbelt16ag | etc |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | EtherNet: any firewall in between that you've configured? |
| 00:17.04 | EtherNet | I am going to check something right now |
| 00:17.07 | bbelt16ag | is ther a gui or text base app |
| 00:17.18 | EtherNet | damn |
| 00:17.23 | EtherNet | I've found the problem |
| 00:17.25 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: there's nothing wrong with that .. lenny is supposed to autoprobe |
| 00:17.26 | EtherNet | do you wanna know what was? |
| 00:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks Cornmeal cannot know this - and afair, you lose consciousness quickly, so it is comparatively pleasent |
| 00:17.31 | abrotman | EtherNet: your disk was full ? |
| 00:17.37 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:17.38 | pleed_ | abrotman: but it automatically includes dropbear |
| 00:17.43 | bbelt16ag | but I want my nvidia drivers installed |
| 00:17.48 | pleed_ | abrotman: so what tells it what to include? |
| 00:17.48 | abrotman | so install them |
| 00:17.50 | bbelt16ag | I have no opengl support |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | pleed_: never tried |
| 00:18.03 | Cornmeal | wonders why CutMeOwnThroat would even think about that kind of thing, especially when he could think in #debian-offtopic. |
| 00:18.14 | EtherNet | abrotman, no... something so..., my /var/log 3.3Gb... my Bluetooth dongle I don't know why, warns a message something like 100 per second.... !!! |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | EtherNet: so you filled /var/ ? |
| 00:18.36 | Cornmeal | beckons for CutMeOwnThroat to join #debian-offtopic with him |
| 00:18.38 | EtherNet | abrotman, no, it doesn't have quota... |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | EtherNet: df -h .. anything near 100% ? |
| 00:18.51 | EtherNet | abrotman, but I unplugged that device, stoped those messages... and it looks like goes now |
| 00:18.53 | EtherNet | abrotman, anyhint |
| 00:18.55 | EtherNet | anything. |
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| 00:19.05 | abrotman | EtherNet: i don't own bluetooth |
| 00:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't join #debian-offtopic because there being off-topic would be on-topic and the resulting paradox would kill him |
| 00:20.40 | Cornmeal | says paradoxes are figments of german scientists' minds. |
| 00:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | EtherNet, so why should that cause your problem? That should only slow things down...? |
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| 00:22.02 | dudeman | man I want svg to become more popular |
| 00:22.06 | dudeman | what can I do hmm |
| 00:22.07 | EtherNet | abrotman, it looks like it wasn't fixed.... yet |
| 00:22.23 | dudeman | I wonder what kinda svg software there is and not in debian |
| 00:22.57 | abrotman | dudeman: man debtags |
| 00:23.50 | EtherNet | abrotman, error is: Hash sum mismatch |
| 00:23.51 | dudeman | sweeet |
| 00:24.36 | abrotman | EtherNet: and .. with dpkg -i ? |
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| 00:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is debtags related to that? |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: you can search ... debtags search works-with-format::svg |
| 00:25.14 | sleon | what is debtags ? |
| 00:25.14 | EtherNet | abrotman, okey so I am going to do apt-get -d package first, in order to get it , cause it's not written to disk. |
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| 00:25.22 | abrotman | EtherNet: ah ok |
| 00:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he said "not in debian".... that's why I was wondering - but good info nontheless |
| 00:25.47 | dudeman | dude thats fucking awesome |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: oh .. missed that "not" :) |
| 00:26.07 | dudeman | this completely blows any search type before by a long stretch |
| 00:26.22 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, this also helps cut down stuff I find on google |
| 00:26.34 | dudeman | this is awesome |
| 00:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | how so? |
| 00:26.41 | dudeman | dude |
| 00:26.47 | dudeman | do you know what tags are? |
| 00:26.52 | dudeman | or how they are implemented? |
| 00:26.58 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: he just found out what tags are! |
| 00:27.17 | dudeman | abrotman, I know what they are I didn't know debian pcakges could be tagged |
| 00:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | tags are little stickers you attach to clothing to label the clothes |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | so .. you didn't know? |
| 00:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. price them |
| 00:27.47 | dudeman | what? |
| 00:27.51 | dudeman | you make no sense |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:28.29 | dudeman | you're probably telling me now cuz you probably just recentlyfound out about 'tags' |
| 00:28.45 | abrotman | whatever you say |
| 00:28.48 | dudeman | like you'll call me stupid for not knowing shit you just found out yesterday |
| 00:28.49 | dudeman | :) |
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| 00:29.09 | abrotman | fine .. figure it out yourself |
| 00:29.16 | dudeman | I intend to. |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 00:30.43 | fish_ | hey if i have 3000 entries in my autoremove list, what can i do to fix it? my other nick (phish) is lagged :( |
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| 00:33.02 | beagle_skywalker | i configured a vsftpd version 2.0.5-2 in Debian Etch, and this work fine, but when i configured ssl, this dont get up |
| 00:33.18 | dondelelcaro | fish_: most likely some meta package has been scheduled for removal. |
| 00:33.48 | dondelelcaro | fish_: the set of packages that is scheduled for automatic removal (and what you want to do) will dictate what to change |
| 00:33.57 | dondelelcaro | fish_: if you provide the entire output, someone here may help you |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | beagle_skywalker: errors ? |
| 00:34.25 | fish_ | Well, i had removed some gnome apps ( ie evolution ) |
| 00:34.37 | fish_ | and then all of the sudden it wants to totally remove gnome :( |
| 00:35.26 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty typical; evolution is a dependency of the gnome metapackage, and since you haven't selected any others to install, it was removed. |
| 00:36.10 | dondelelcaro | use the aptitude frontend; view the gnome metapackage, and mark the packages it depends on that you wish to keep as manually installed. |
| 00:36.13 | beagle_skywalker | abrotman, dont get up when ssl_enable=YES and rsa_cert_file=/etc/vsftpd/cert/vsftpd_cert.pem |
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| 00:36.43 | abrotman | beagle_skywalker: i'm sure there's an error in the log file |
| 00:37.56 | beagle_skywalker | but in the log file dont say anything |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | wouldn't it just be easier to use sftp or scp? |
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| 00:40.40 | pleed_ | Is there a kernel module for /dev/(u)random ? |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | beagle_skywalker: i can't imagine there's not an error logged somewhere |
| 00:40.56 | beagle_skywalker | abrotman, i like vsftpd |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | beagle_skywalker: try turning up the log verbosity |
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| 00:43.28 | beagle_skywalker | abrotman, in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd do i have to put something? |
| 00:44.14 | abrotman | beagle_skywalker: i don't use vsftpd .. but really, they usually have errors when they fail to start |
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| 00:45.42 | beagle_skywalker | im going to update package |
| 00:46.35 | JoshH | anyone know how i can match all packets with a certain window size in iptables? |
| 00:46.38 | jayeola | hey chaps. last time i tried lenny on this thinkpad i came across this problem "Problem with display remaining black after resume". does any one know if it has been sorted? |
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| 00:55.50 | webPragmatist | we're not gonna take it |
| 00:55.51 | webPragmatist | noooo |
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| 00:58.15 | beardy | We're not gonna take it. |
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| 00:58.32 | adama_ | are we gonna take it? |
| 00:58.40 | amphi | jayeola: does echo 3 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags help? |
| 00:58.41 | beardy | We're not gonna take it. |
| 00:58.49 | dustybin | when i search for stuff on google i usually just type out in simple words what im after, are there any tricks/tops searching in google? |
| 00:58.52 | adama_ | good |
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| 00:58.59 | beardy | Anymoooooooooooore. |
| 00:59.40 | beardy | dustybin: What are you looking for? |
| 00:59.54 | dustybin | beardy: i just want to search more effiently |
| 01:00.01 | jayeola | nope. well this was a few weeks ago. willing to give it a go now if it's going to be a goer |
| 01:00.02 | adama_ | putting phrases in quotes is always a good thing |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | dustybin: ask #google |
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| 01:00.13 | abrotman | dustybin: this is not related to Debian |
| 01:00.14 | dustybin | abrotman: ok |
| 01:00.26 | adama_ | beer o'clock. So long suckers! |
| 01:00.48 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 01:00.50 | jayeola | dustybin: tell us your password and we can help you better |
| 01:00.54 | jayeola | all of them |
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| 01:01.34 | gnufs | hello, it's me again :) |
| 01:01.34 | gnufs | i'm using a cli-only minimal debian install but it doesn't show special turkish characters properly (bot in command line and in text editors) |
| 01:01.34 | gnufs | is there a way to change the 'character encoding' of the terminal |
| 01:01.48 | beardy | !locales |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 01:02.14 | beardy | That's for you gnufs. |
| 01:02.30 | gnufs | :) |
| 01:03.19 | SnoFox | Ugh. Something else broke. |
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| 01:03.53 | SnoFox | The only thing that shows up in System -> Perferences -> Screen Resolution for my resolution is 800x6 |
| 01:03.58 | dustybin | jayeola: root@202.14.43.22 password: jKlO7RvY |
| 01:03.59 | SnoFox | 800x600* |
| 01:04.03 | beardy | gnufs: The encoding used, and what parts of it, is controlled by the LC variables, that you set in ~/.bashrc (or other shell's startup files) "export LC_ALL=yourlocale" sets everything to your locale, if you want that. |
| 01:04.13 | gnufs | when i enter 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' it gives: command not found |
| 01:04.29 | beardy | gnufs: Without the quotes. |
| 01:04.35 | beagle_skywalker | quiero te |
| 01:04.37 | gnufs | i know |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | dustybin: wtf was that ? |
| 01:05.19 | dustybin | abrotman: jayeola wanted my password |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | dustybin: are you stupid? |
| 01:05.39 | dustybin | my honeytrap is intelligent :P |
| 01:05.42 | beardy | gnufs: Which version of Debian? |
| 01:05.53 | beardy | Still stupid. |
| 01:05.55 | gnufs | lenny |
| 01:06.20 | beardy | gnufs: It needs to be run as root. |
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| 01:06.29 | gnufs | btw, i don't want to change the os language just want support for tr characters |
| 01:06.33 | jayeola | who?? moi? |
| 01:06.48 | gnufs | is f***ing moron |
| 01:06.50 | Car0bnjaK | AA |
| 01:07.07 | beardy | gnufs: Yes, it only generates the locale definitions, it also asks if you want to set the system-wide locale to something you generated, so you leave it as it is. |
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| 01:08.05 | beardy | gnufs: And use the different LC variables, for your user only. |
| 01:08.24 | Car0bnjaK | CAN YPU HELP MY |
| 01:08.33 | Car0bnjaK | CAN YOU HELP MY ! |
| 01:08.34 | Car0bnjaK | CAN YOU HELP MY |
| 01:08.42 | jayeola | huh? |
| 01:08.45 | beardy | Car0bnjaK: Yes, turn off CapsLock and ask a real question. |
| 01:08.45 | SnoFox | Why is it the only thing that shows up in System -> Perferences -> Screen Resolution for my resolution is 800x600? I know my monitor has the capabilities for LOTS of other resolutions... |
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| 01:09.05 | beardy | !set the resolution |
| 01:09.13 | beardy | !resolution |
| 01:09.13 | dpkg | methinks resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 01:09.30 | beardy | !drxx SnoFox |
| 01:09.30 | dpkg | SnoFox: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:09.40 | SnoFox | beardy: That command didn't work. |
| 01:09.52 | elmo40 | that was too fast. |
| 01:09.55 | beardy | SnoFox: Which command? |
| 01:10.05 | SnoFox | dpkg-reconfigure. Tried it earlier. |
| 01:10.08 | gnufs | beardy: so how can i change these LC variables? (I reconfigured locales as you sad and tr characters still aren't handled properly) |
| 01:10.09 | SnoFox | Fail. |
| 01:10.17 | Car0bnjaK | !set the resolution |
| 01:10.22 | Car0bnjaK | !resolution |
| 01:10.23 | dpkg | i guess resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 01:10.28 | beardy | Car0bnjaK: Start behaving. |
| 01:10.30 | elmo40 | SnoFox: what card? |
| 01:10.41 | SnoFox | NVIDIA GeForce, something or other... |
| 01:10.50 | SnoFox | I'll go get more specific when I find the version >.< |
| 01:10.54 | beardy | SnoFox: Then you didn't run it as root either. |
| 01:11.30 | beardy | gnufs: Try "LC_ALL=localethatyougenerated editoryoulike" |
| 01:11.32 | SnoFox | Meh. I'll do it again if you really want me to. |
| 01:11.39 | SnoFox | Do I have to kill X afterwards? |
| 01:11.47 | beardy | Before. |
| 01:12.05 | SnoFox | O.o |
| 01:12.07 | SnoFox | Okay. |
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| 01:12.23 | beardy | gnufs: As I said earlier, you set the LC variables in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 01:13.06 | Car0bnjaK | CAN YOU SEND MY PASSWORD AND USERNAME AND PORT IP SERVER |
| 01:13.25 | Car0bnjaK | CAN YOU SEND MY PASSWORD AND USERNAME AND PORT IP SERVER |
| 01:13.35 | Car0bnjaK | CAN HELP MY |
| 01:13.42 | jayeola | drop the caps |
| 01:14.24 | elmo40 | Car0bnjaK: sure... alienshmoo:hellokitty:21 |
| 01:14.35 | Car0bnjaK | YES |
| 01:14.36 | beardy | gnufs: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html search for "9.7.5 Activating a particular locale" there you have a list of them all. |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | elmo40: stop feeding |
| 01:15.10 | elmo40 | he is also in #flood... maybe he is mixing up the rooms ;) |
| 01:15.16 | jayeola | his real name is "mr balmer" |
| 01:15.46 | epsilon | Car0bnjaK: User: root Pass: dez2374, IP: 127.0.0.85 - have fun hacking, if the server's not reahable, keep flooding |
| 01:15.56 | abrotman | epsilon: STOP |
| 01:16.03 | epsilon | SCNR |
| 01:17.58 | Car0bnjaK | HMMM |
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| 01:18.02 | Car0bnjaK | epsilon |
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| 01:18.12 | Car0bnjaK | THE INSTALATION |
| 01:18.18 | Car0bnjaK | <epsilon> Car0bnjaK: User: root Pass: dez2374, IP: 127.0.0.85 - have fun hacking, if the server's not reahable, keep flooding |
| 01:18.33 | asg | abrotman: I think this one needs to go |
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| 01:19.11 | beardy | My word's not good enough eh. |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | what word? |
| 01:19.28 | jayeola | food! |
| 01:19.37 | gnufs | beardy: thanks for the link. i will grok it as soon as i can |
| 01:19.39 | epsilon | .net.ba? never heard... must be a small or very new country? |
| 01:19.39 | asg | abrotman: dave so needs a .ba domain though |
| 01:19.46 | gnufs | beardy: again, great help :) |
| 01:19.46 | SnoFox | Back again. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg made it even worse |
| 01:20.01 | SnoFox | Now it shows NO resolutions in Screen Resolutions. |
| 01:20.29 | SnoFox | And the default is out of range... I used Ctrl + Alt + Num+/- to get a resolution that half works... |
| 01:20.38 | beardy | gnufs: :) |
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| 01:21.09 | epsilon | ahh Bosnia & Hergovina... really a new country :) |
| 01:21.32 | SnoFox | And by the way, how can I make X go away for more then one second after killing it? Lol |
| 01:21.46 | beardy | SnoFox: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 01:22.08 | SnoFox | Okay. And any comment to the resolution problem? |
| 01:22.08 | epsilon | kill X by process? |
| 01:22.29 | beardy | SnoFox: That's how you should have done it. Then after your done, replace stop with start. |
| 01:22.29 | beardy | you're |
| 01:22.29 | SnoFox | I just used pkill x and Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 01:22.49 | SnoFox | It finally gave me the "X has been shut down 6 times in the last 90 seconds error" so I could do the dpkg-reconfigure command again |
| 01:23.02 | beardy | Do as I said next time. |
| 01:23.04 | SnoFox | Now it's even worse. There's no resolutions listed in the Screen Resolutions dialog. |
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| 01:23.40 | guysoft42 | hey all, i keep getting segfaults with xephyr in debian.. it seems there is a bug in the package.. is there anything i can do? |
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| 01:24.36 | beardy | SnoFox: Reconfigure it again. And actually choose some resolutions. Then restart X properly. |
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| 01:24.45 | beardy | SnoFox: What display manager do you use? |
| 01:24.48 | SnoFox | GNOME |
| 01:25.08 | beardy | SnoFox: Then it's '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' and start. |
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| 01:26.01 | SnoFox | So in root terminal: ./etc/init.d/gdm stop && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 01:26.39 | beardy | DO it one step at a time if you need to ask that please. |
| 01:26.56 | SnoFox | I just pushed it into one line for IRC's sake |
| 01:27.09 | SnoFox | kills GNOME again |
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| 01:27.13 | beardy | SnoFox: Ok. Yes. |
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| 01:27.23 | jayeola | 1 - /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 01:28.23 | SnoFox | Lol. I did the command just now. Says "Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm." |
| 01:28.25 | SnoFox | But I'm still here |
| 01:28.28 | SnoFox | With a GUI |
| 01:28.43 | SnoFox | Hmm |
| 01:28.44 | gnufs | beardy: i installed this cli-only system to learn more about *nix and debian-like distros (i contribute to gNewSense) and this guide seems to be very useful. do you think it being a little old makes a difference? |
| 01:29.25 | beardy | gnufs: Probably not. Which guide though? |
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| 01:29.30 | SnoFox | Lemme try something else |
| 01:29.31 | beardy | !reference |
| 01:29.31 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 01:29.39 | SnoFox | Nope |
| 01:29.49 | SnoFox | What's metacity? |
| 01:29.56 | beardy | !metacity |
| 01:29.57 | dpkg | metacity is, like, a lightweight, "crack free" windowmanager for gnome2 which nobody makes documentation on |
| 01:30.01 | gnufs | beardy: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html is the one you linked |
| 01:30.24 | SnoFox | Maybe that's the problem. |
| 01:30.28 | SnoFox | How do I stop medacity? |
| 01:30.37 | SnoFox | I see it running. I didn't know it was... |
| 01:30.37 | asg | kill(1) |
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| 01:30.56 | beardy | gnufs: Ah. Yes, and the above is that one. So yes, it is very good, I don't know how recently updated it is, but most things are the same. |
| 01:31.55 | SnoFox | Should I kill it, beardy, or is there a way like you had me stop gnome? |
| 01:32.09 | martin_ | i am searching for a pdftk like tool. i cant use pdftk because it damages pdf info dictionary when i use non-ascii characters |
| 01:32.11 | beardy | SnoFox: If it's still running after you did that, do what asg said. |
| 01:33.11 | beardy | !edit pdf |
| 01:33.11 | dpkg | pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. |
| 01:33.20 | beardy | Mkay. |
| 01:33.26 | dvs | mmmkay? |
| 01:33.29 | SnoFox | Every time I kill metacity, it "respawns" |
| 01:33.45 | gnufs | beardy: my fault. the copyright claimer's date said 2005 but it seems to be regularly updated. |
| 01:33.55 | SnoFox | And there's no metacity-like folders in /init.d :p |
| 01:33.57 | beardy | martin_: The GIMP can edit one page at a time atleast.. |
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| 01:34.05 | beardy | !fill pdf forms |
| 01:34.05 | dpkg | pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 01:34.27 | beardy | gnufs: Yes, it should be up to date. |
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| 01:36.21 | martin_ | martin_: hmm, afaics i cant edit metadata with the gimp |
| 01:36.34 | m0 | is debian 4 called etch ? or lenny? |
| 01:37.02 | petemc | etch |
| 01:37.08 | m0 | lenny is 5? |
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| 01:37.14 | beardy | beardy: Probably not no. I thought that factoid would contain something more.. it's been asked often. |
| 01:37.38 | petemc | m0: yes |
| 01:37.51 | beardy | Wow.. |
| 01:38.02 | beardy | You made me do the same thing, heh. |
| 01:38.24 | beardy | The mind is weird. |
| 01:38.41 | SnoFox | I can't kill metacity without it coming back -.-' |
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| 01:39.16 | beardy | SnoFox: Is anything else still running, related to gnome or X? |
| 01:39.39 | SnoFox | Uh... the GUI. |
| 01:39.44 | SnoFox | And the terminal... |
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| 01:39.49 | beardy | Which "GUI"? |
| 01:40.01 | SnoFox | Looks like GNOME |
| 01:40.21 | beardy | Well.. I said several times, stop gdm, kill X. |
| 01:40.51 | beardy | Of course it would respawn if gnome is still running. |
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| 01:41.28 | SnoFox | Okay. |
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| 01:41.59 | beardy | Figures. |
| 01:42.17 | beardy | He didn't even try. |
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| 01:44.58 | beardy | dvs: Uhm k. |
| 01:45.14 | dvs | beardy: yes mr. makee |
| 01:47.20 | beardy | dvs: Yes Starfleet. |
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| 01:59.44 | bewpy | when i use apt-get update.. i get these errors |
| 01:59.45 | bewpy | http://www.pastedump.com/paste/114 |
| 02:00.55 | bunnyto | ATI HD 3200, is supported? |
| 02:02.04 | bewpy | anyone know why? |
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| 02:03.11 | Cornmeal | The files don't exist on the server, bewpy. |
| 02:03.20 | Cornmeal | Bunnyto, that was a comma fail. |
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| 02:04.19 | abrotman | bewpy: i told you the other day .. there's no more non-us for etch |
| 02:04.50 | craigevil | non-us was deprecated when Sarge was released |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | IIRC it still existed then though .. but there were like two useless packages in it |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | or maybe that was woody |
| 02:05.45 | beardy | Yes, woody. |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | http://non-us.debian.org/dists/sarge/non-US/ |
| 02:06.11 | beardy | Or well.. depends on what you mean. non-us was in Woody. |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | sarge! |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | though the packages file is empty :) |
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| 02:08.22 | bewpy | sorry abrotman i forgot.. whats the apt-get command to install java? |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | !tell bewpy about install java |
| 02:09.28 | zinx | which jvm do you want? |
| 02:09.36 | beardy | And use aptitude. |
| 02:09.38 | r121 | Hi all, anybody know why kdesktop won't reflect changes to the ~/Desktop folder? If files are added or removed from there, the changes don't appear on the desktop. Refreshing the desktop doesn't help, so I'm forced to restart kdesktop. Any ideas? (KDE 3.5.9, Debian testing) |
| 02:09.51 | zinx | r121: try installing fam? |
| 02:09.59 | zinx | not sure what kde uses for that though, tbh |
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| 02:11.22 | r121 | zinx: Well it worked before ;-) That's just what kdesktop is supposed to do, I can't imagine what I might have done to cause it |
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| 02:12.15 | r121 | KDE doesn't seem to depend on fam |
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| 02:14.26 | r121 | but I can add and delete files from my desktop folder all I want, and what's on the desktop doesn't change until I restart the process |
| 02:17.06 | bewpy | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:26.38 | bewpy | can someone direct me on how to use wine? like a website or something |
| 02:27.21 | Cornmeal | sudo aptitude install wine |
| 02:27.35 | Cornmeal | Once it installs, run winecfg. NOT as root! |
| 02:27.35 | bewpy | i already installed it |
| 02:27.42 | Cornmeal | Okay, run winecfg. |
| 02:28.00 | Cornmeal | http://wiki.winehq.org/winecfg |
| 02:28.05 | Cornmeal | There's your guide. |
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| 02:30.42 | abrotman | not everyone has sudo |
| 02:31.01 | Cornmeal | As root, run "aptitude install sudo" |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | why bother? |
| 02:31.35 | Cornmeal | Unless you run as root, you need sudo. |
| 02:31.44 | Cornmeal | But let's not get into that discussion. |
| 02:33.13 | enouf | that's very helpful |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | you can just use su ... |
| 02:34.01 | Cornmeal | I said, it's like getting into a Democrat vs. Republican debate. No one wins. |
| 02:34.21 | Cornmeal | "Paper, rock, and scissors, they all have their pros and cons." |
| 02:35.02 | enouf | ICBMs have more cons |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 02:36.19 | enouf | likely |
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| 02:47.48 | len71 | Can someone here help me with a little problem with mutt on debian lenny |
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| 02:48.43 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:48.49 | len71 | When i right click on any url and say open link, it gives a message "Could not open the address "http://ur.....": |
| 02:48.49 | len71 | There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location." |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | do you have x-www-browser set in /etc/alternatives/ ? |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | at least .. i'd guess that's the problem |
| 02:49.38 | len71 | I do not know. |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 02:51.04 | len71 | No. i have selected iceweasel there. |
| 02:51.08 | len71 | still the same error. |
| 02:51.25 | len71 | unless, i need to restart my gnome session |
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| 02:52.28 | abrotman | Check your preferred appliations in gnome maybe? |
| 02:52.38 | enouf | are you using mutt in console or an xterm? |
| 02:52.53 | len71 | mutt in gnome-terminal |
| 02:53.42 | len71 | changing preferred applications in gnome solved the problem!! |
| 02:53.50 | len71 | thanks abrotman. |
| 02:53.55 | enouf | ofcourse |
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| 03:00.30 | SnoFox | What file does System -> Perferences -> Screen Resolution read to see what Resolutions/Displays are available? |
| 03:01.38 | Gm4n | what's the best package for an internal DNS server for a small (10-15 person) business? |
| 03:02.35 | enouf | SnoFox: if it doesn't match what your binary blob says, ignore it |
| 03:02.58 | SnoFox | enouf: That didn't make too much sense to me. |
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| 03:03.29 | enouf | nm then |
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| 03:05.07 | civillian | hi all. I'm getting 'file not found' with modules.dep on bootup. I've got a separate /boot partition which might be why, as the root fs isn't mounted at that stage, but how do I make these messages disappear? |
| 03:05.51 | stew | civillian: does /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep actually exist? |
| 03:06.24 | SnoFox | Wtf. |
| 03:06.25 | civillian | stew: yes |
| 03:06.32 | SnoFox | What does it mean when root gets permission denied? >.> |
| 03:07.00 | civillian | these messages are right after kernel decompression, before root fs (ie /lib) is mounted |
| 03:07.44 | civillian | So it makes sense, but I'm wondering if there's a way to allow grub or whatever 'see' the dep file... I might be simply hoping here! |
| 03:07.46 | enouf | civillian: do you have that kernel's System.map in your /boot partition |
| 03:08.30 | civillian | stew: I do.. and I've just noticed that some modules are loaded so it doesn't seem to impact anything, its just annoying |
| 03:09.57 | stew | civillian: the modules.dep should end up in your initrd. are you runing a debian kernel? |
| 03:10.09 | civillian | stew: I've just compiled my own actually |
| 03:10.18 | Gm4n | any reccomendations for a simple dns server? I'm looking at tinydns. |
| 03:10.20 | civillian | but I did a mkinitramfs |
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| 03:10.44 | civillian | Gm4n: bind is simple :P sorry that doesn't help hey |
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| 03:11.38 | civillian | stew: oh I think you might be right.. I didn't do a depmod before mkinitramfs |
| 03:12.08 | Gm4n | civillian: simple enough for someone who's never seen a bind config file before to get a simple recusive server with one local DNS entry up in 15-20 minutes? |
| 03:13.23 | civillian | Gm4n: hm... webmin makes it easy |
| 03:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: in an hour if you read the documentation, yes. |
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| 03:13.48 | Gm4n | an hour of reading seems excessive for just forwarding queries to the internet |
| 03:14.00 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: if you just want a resolver, just install bind; no configuration is necessary. |
| 03:14.05 | dondelelcaro | (or nscd or similar) |
| 03:14.08 | enouf | stew: fwiw, i see no such file in my debian .26-1 initrd |
| 03:14.52 | Gm4n | dondelelcaro: I want a resolver for the LAN, and I want to return a specific address for a single domain. Fairly easy? |
| 03:15.01 | De_Mon | I've got a app that needs the kernel source in order to compile, when I installed the source for my kernel it created a kbuild directory and didn't unpack the source... |
| 03:15.09 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: if you mean that you want to resolve local names, that requires a bit of reading to understand how to make a zone file; it's still not that complicated, and an hour of reading and configuration is nothing. |
| 03:15.27 | De_Mon | what's the next step to make sure the compled module is compatible with this kernel? |
| 03:15.32 | Gm4n | aptitude install bind9, I'm guessing? |
| 03:16.18 | pgpkeys | ok, I'm getting lost here. where is /dev/shm getting loaded from in stable? I want to disable that specific device from loading |
| 03:16.41 | De_Mon | hmm maybe kbuild is a separate package |
| 03:16.45 | pgpkeys | it's being mounted so I assume it has to do with /etc/init.d/mount*.sh files and partly to do with mtab.sh as well |
| 03:16.53 | enouf | De_Mon: are you sure you didn't just need -headers? |
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| 03:17.26 | civillian | stew: I should point out that my kernel build process is from way back in 2.0 / 2.2... mkinitramfs is new to me |
| 03:17.33 | enouf | pgpkeys: i think in /etc/default/* ? |
| 03:19.02 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.20 | pgpkeys | yeah that sets the size (memory allocation) via the /etc/defaults/tmpfs file. I want to stop the device from loading |
| 03:19.38 | civillian | stew: you were right. I rebuilt the initrd after modules_install and she's good |
| 03:19.41 | civillian | stew: thanks |
| 03:20.00 | pgpkeys | grepping through for shm leads me through /etc/init.d/mount*.sh and /etc/init.d/mtab.sh (starting in mtab.sh) |
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| 03:21.49 | Daemonik | How can I print a PDF or TeX file without using an X program? |
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| 03:23.59 | psychonate | Daemonik, try 'gs' (ghostscript) |
| 03:24.21 | Daemonik | psychonate, Thank you |
| 03:24.42 | psychonate | np, gl |
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| 03:25.36 | pgpkeys | OK, let's put it this way. pre udev a tmpfs was loaded and mounted on /dev/shm via a tmpfs line in /etc/fstab. it no longer loads that way. where is this now being loaded from so I can turn it off? I see where it's created and loaded in /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh. |
| 03:25.49 | enouf | Daemonik: might look at pdftk |
| 03:26.19 | enouf | tmpfs tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm |
| 03:26.22 | pgpkeys | is there a variable in the environment I set to stop domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT from running _other_ than simply #'ing it out |
| 03:26.24 | enouf | sounds about right |
| 03:26.35 | Daemonik | enouf, Just saw a link to that on Scribus' website. What I'd really like to do, is print SLA files without using X. But if I can convert them to PDF, then print those, that'll work. |
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| 03:27.33 | enouf | Daemonik: ok, i don't know much about pdf structures, and i know nothing about *tex sadly |
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| 03:27.53 | enouf | and SLA sounds like a baseball team to me :-P |
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| 03:28.19 | Cutter | hi |
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| 03:29.10 | Cutter | I have a problem with xorg.conf |
| 03:29.12 | Daemonik | enouf, We have this database, with hundreds of thousands of accounts, and then we have hundreds of letters, I want to merge any of those accounts with the database with any of the letters we've made that'll have variables in them then print them. My company is already doing this with proprietary software, we need to replace this. So yeah. =) |
| 03:29.16 | Gm4n | If I want to override a single DNS entry in bind (mail.mydomain.com), should I make the zone type forward? |
| 03:29.24 | De_Mon | why is it that quotes look like an 'a' with a carot on top? |
| 03:29.25 | De_Mon | â |
| 03:29.30 | Daemonik | Cutter, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 03:30.21 | enouf | â ? |
| 03:36.13 | Cutter | ok I hope I'm on the right channel |
| 03:36.24 | Cutter | In xorg.conf I put "1024x768" as the first entry in the "Modes" line |
| 03:36.57 | Cutter | now my desktop is too big for my display (it's beyond the borders) |
| 03:37.28 | Cutter | what should I do? |
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| 03:40.38 | Intensity | I'd like to recover a working Debian system from a USB-attached hard drive. However, I can't read data from the drive because LVM doesn't accept identical VG's on the same system, and vgrename is failing. |
| 03:41.32 | enouf | Cutter: try a DisplaySize option |
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| 03:43.02 | enouf | Cutter: in the Monitor section; man xorg.conf |
| 03:43.35 | Cutter | enouf: isn't that in millimeters? |
| 03:43.48 | Gm4n | dondelelcaro: what zone type should it be, forward? |
| 03:45.08 | enouf | Intensity: 'recover' ? is gddrescue not of use? |
| 03:45.22 | Intensity | Using qemu I get that the drive is assigned an IDE interface, and so Debian halts since the kernel cannot find the SCSI drive it's expecting. I had thought either VirtualBox or VMware server would work, but neither accept a raw drive as input. |
| 03:45.31 | enouf | Cutter: the man page tells you so |
| 03:45.33 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: if you're resolving local hosts, you'll want both |
| 03:45.42 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: but first things first, you want a forward zone. |
| 03:45.59 | Gm4n | add a forwardzone for mydomain.tld, ok |
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| 03:46.49 | karlpinc | Intensity : I was glancing at that stuff the other day. Don't you have to pvcreate the physical volumes properly before a restore? All that meta-information has to match up, depending on what you're doing. You probably know more than me. |
| 03:47.33 | Gm4n | dondelelcaro: so once I have that zone, do I put a file parameter in the config? or just forwarders? |
| 03:47.35 | Intensity | enouf: One of the volumes within the volume group is an encrypted partition. If I can create device entries that correspond to the raw viewpoint, then I can run cryptsetup on it. But in order to get device entries I need to work past the LVM layer. All data is intact. It's reading it that's the problem, since LVM doesn't seem to support two VG's with the same name on the same system. |
| 03:48.23 | Cutter | enouf: why should I deal with millimeters? |
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| 03:48.47 | Intensity | karlpinc: I don't need to create any new volumes in this process of recovery. I just want a read-only view of the state of the machine. |
| 03:48.58 | Cutter | I want the desktop and the login screen to be 1024 pixels wide, that's all |
| 03:49.13 | enouf | Cutter: try a sledgehammer if you like for all i care |
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| 03:50.32 | Cutter | ok thx |
| 03:50.55 | karlpinc | Gm4n : Typically, you'd put a zone statement in named.conf.local, and then make your zone file(s). You don't need forwarders unless you want a local dns cache on your lan or at your isp. (Often isp nameservers suck and you do better using your local dns server.) |
| 03:51.11 | enouf | Cutter: dpkg does conversions :-P |
| 03:51.27 | Gm4n | I'm doing a forwarder because I want to remap a single host (mail.myhost.tld) to a local address |
| 03:51.42 | karlpinc | Gm4n : See /usr/share/doc/bind* |
| 03:51.47 | enouf | Intensity: too involved for my half-sleeping mind .. sorry |
| 03:52.13 | Wyzard | Intensity: I've gotten into the habit of putting the hostname into the VG name to avoid conflicts if a VG has to be moved to another machine |
| 03:52.49 | Cutter | I added the etch-backports repo aswell as the corresponding keyring but when I install a package from it, Synaptic keeps telling me that the packages are unsigned |
| 03:53.04 | Intensity | enouf: It's ok. I'm looking at crazy alternatives, like using QEMU or VMware. And I believe I've determined that vgrename doesn't properly work in this instance. |
| 03:53.20 | akio | wow, i just uninstalled aptitude |
| 03:53.36 | akio | i feel like an idiot |
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| 03:53.46 | akio | trying to resolve a dependency |
| 03:54.14 | akio | is there a guide to resolving dependencies with the curses aptitude? |
| 03:54.33 | karlpinc | Gm4n : Forwarding means all the dns servers's lookups go to another host for resolution, which does not have a lot to do with re-mapping a single address. bind works with entire zones. You'd have to re-create the whole zone and change the one address. |
| 03:54.42 | akio | i am very cumbersome and i find myself just mashing keys |
| 03:55.02 | akio | which gets me in situations like i mentioned |
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| 03:55.17 | shivraj | how do I access the Trash dir ? |
| 03:55.25 | Gm4n | can I define a zone "mail.mydomain.tld" { .... ? |
| 03:55.29 | shivraj | I have some stuff in there by root .. that cant be emptied |
| 03:56.10 | Wyzard | akio: If aptitude's algorithms can't find a good solution, it's a matter of manually exploring dependency relationships and fiddling around until you find a resolution you like... it'd be hard to write a general guide for that |
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| 03:56.29 | karlpinc | Gm4n : I guess you could. To do one address on one host /etc/hosts is the most straightforward way. But if you want your whole lan to see a re-mapping, then bind is the way to go. |
| 03:56.45 | Wyzard | akio: but from a package's details page, you can see both what packages it depends on, and what other packages depend on it |
| 03:56.46 | akio | i don't even remember what it was, i just feel dirty when it says -1 |
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| 03:56.54 | akio | i feel like i got "a bad score" |
| 03:57.06 | Wyzard | akio: and you can highlight a package in the dependency (or reverse-dependency) list and press Enter to jump to that package's details page |
| 03:57.18 | Wyzard | so you can navigate around the dependency tree that way |
| 03:58.21 | Wyzard | akio: It's often helpful to do things one step at a time: open the menu and "cancel pending actions", then manually mark just one or two packages for upgrade, and see what apt does with those dependencies |
| 03:58.24 | akio | i think it was ldap |
| 03:58.38 | karlpinc | Gm4n : You might want to explain why you want to remap that one address. There may be a better approach. |
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| 03:58.49 | akio | when i tried to resolve for ldap i removed all the apt/aptitude stuff |
| 03:58.54 | akio | royally screwed myself |
| 03:59.04 | Wyzard | akio: You can do any upgrades that don't cause conflicts first, step-by-step, and eventually get down to just the small set of packages that are causing a dependency problem |
| 03:59.12 | shivraj | how can I run the trash applet in gnome ? |
| 03:59.27 | Gm4n | so that when local clients try to check their mail, they don't go to the outside internet, but instead use the 10.* IP of the mailserver |
| 03:59.48 | akio | it wasn't even a big deal, now i have to re-install (it's a netinst on a friends laptop anyway) |
| 03:59.54 | Wyzard | akio: Uninstalling aptitude is a silly mistake, but it's not a big deal; you can reinstall it with apt-get, or by downloading the .deb and using dpkg |
| 04:00.03 | akio | i can't wait for 5 |
| 04:00.06 | Cutter | sorry Pidgin crashed |
| 04:00.08 | Wyzard | akio: You certainly don't have to reinstall the whole system |
| 04:00.17 | akio | apt-utils was wiped too |
| 04:00.17 | karlpinc | Gm4n : You could just reconfigure the local clients to use the right server. Mucking with dns is a bit of a hack. |
| 04:00.31 | akio | i could wget but thats just silly |
| 04:00.39 | Wyzard | akio: as long as you have dpkg, you can reinstall apt |
| 04:00.39 | Gm4n | karlpinc: what if local clients are laptops, and I want them to work when they're in and out of the office? |
| 04:00.40 | akio | it's quick and easy enough |
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| 04:01.01 | akio | does dpkg reach out to the mirrors? |
| 04:01.16 | Wyzard | akio: no, dpkg doesn't do anything at all with the network |
| 04:01.16 | enouf | shivraj: does locate -i trash give you any clues? |
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| 04:01.25 | akio | i didn't think so |
| 04:01.29 | Wyzard | akio: apt is a frontend that downloads .deb files and gives them to dpkg |
| 04:01.38 | akio | so i would have to dpkg -i all the wgetted stuff |
| 04:01.47 | akio | but apt was show |
| 04:01.47 | Wyzard | right |
| 04:01.50 | akio | sot* |
| 04:01.53 | akio | shot** |
| 04:01.54 | Cutter | I added the etch-backports repository and the corresponding keyring but Synaptic keeps telling me that the packages are UNSIGNED |
| 04:02.05 | Cutter | what should I do? |
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| 04:02.52 | akio | does anyone have a feel for when 5 will be gold? |
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| 04:03.16 | j0 | what is the other raid1 type i can choose? i can't for the life of me remember or google it |
| 04:03.41 | Wyzard | akio: Take a look at the graph on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and extrapolate when the green line will reach zero :-) |
| 04:03.53 | akio | you can raid0, or you can raid0 a raid1 |
| 04:04.03 | akio | i know that looks scary |
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| 04:04.30 | j0 | akio: there's one other type of raid1, not a combination, but another switch you add when creating the raid1 array |
| 04:04.43 | akio | hmm |
| 04:04.57 | karlpinc | Gm4n : Makes some sense. There might be some dhcp options you could use, depending on your mail client, _possibly_. Anyhow, good luck. I'm too tired to think any more. |
| 04:04.57 | Wyzard | j0: Are you thinking of raid10? |
| 04:05.07 | akio | is it on wiki? or is it only for md? |
| 04:05.20 | akio | JBOD? |
| 04:05.26 | Wyzard | JBOD isn't RAID |
| 04:05.29 | shivraj | enouf: nope |
| 04:05.29 | akio | nope |
| 04:06.08 | j0 | nope.. hmm.. i'ts like raid1 but with a different way of organizing the data |
| 04:07.41 | psychonate | Just a Bunch Of Disks |
| 04:07.42 | Wyzard | j0: raid1 is mirroring... what different way of organizing would there be? |
| 04:07.55 | psychonate | yeah, JBOD is not any organization |
| 04:08.00 | psychonate | it's a bunch of disks presented to a host |
| 04:08.22 | psychonate | the host can then do software raid or whatever it wishes |
| 04:08.28 | j0 | Wyzard: i don't know if it writes the data differently or it's a different method of reading.. but it gives higher performance under some circumstances than just regular raid1 |
| 04:08.42 | psychonate | apples and oranges |
| 04:08.52 | Wyzard | j0: I don't see anything like that in the mdadm manpage |
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| 04:09.57 | Wyzard | Are you sure you're not thinking of some other RAID level, like 5 or 10? |
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| 04:10.15 | enouf | most be 10 0+1 |
| 04:10.28 | enouf | s/most/must |
| 04:10.30 | j0 | Wyzard: i'm sure it's raid1.. i'd think i was crazy too.. now i really have to find it! |
| 04:10.52 | shivraj | hmmm so I can drag stuff out of trash then delete it |
| 04:10.53 | psychonate | yeah, it's probably striped mirroring |
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| 04:13.51 | enouf | j0: let's start from the other end ;-) how many disks do you plan to raid? |
| 04:13.56 | psychonate | "Linux MD RAID10 (RAID10) implements a general RAID driver that defaults to a standard RAID 1+0 with 4 drives, but can have any number of drives, including an odd number. MD RAID10 can run striped and mirrored with only 2 drives with the f2 layout (mirroring with striped reads, normal Linux software RAID 1 does not stripe reads, but can read in parallel)" |
| 04:14.40 | enouf | interesting |
| 04:15.40 | j0 | enouf: 2.. i'm using raid1 right now.. not happy with the performance though.. not sure if lvm has any effect on speed |
| 04:15.40 | Wyzard | yeah, I was surprised that md's raid10 supports odd numbers of drives |
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| 04:15.55 | j0 | f2.. that's it :) |
| 04:16.04 | j0 | so it is raid 10 |
| 04:16.21 | enouf | bets j0 will never forget that again ;-) |
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| 04:17.00 | j0 | haha no kidding.. i was going to say i thought it was "2f", but wasn't sure if i was dreaming up random numbers |
| 04:17.26 | enouf | just remember to swap byte-order :-P |
| 04:18.46 | cilkay | In my preseed file, I have "d-i mirror/http/hostname string mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca". On clients on the network, I use http://apt-cache:3142/mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian as the apt repo and that works. How would I have my preseed clients use the apt-cacher? |
| 04:19.06 | j0 | wonder how well raid1 with a single drive would work =D |
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| 04:19.14 | enouf | ... |
| 04:19.29 | Tetracomm | Hello |
| 04:19.29 | Tetracomm | . |
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| 04:28.21 | akio | i love software raid |
| 04:28.44 | j0 | it's quite fun :) |
| 04:28.52 | j0 | and a heck of a lot easier to do data recovery on |
| 04:28.53 | akio | i did a raid0 for my music, that thing is old and busted and it tears through files |
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| 04:29.15 | akio | coupled with nfs its scary fast |
| 04:29.30 | akio | old pata drives too |
| 04:29.44 | akio | different sizes and manu. |
| 04:29.53 | nicholas__ | I got an error saying that Debian Lenny couldn't be written to the cd. |
| 04:29.55 | nicholas__ | because there was not enough space |
| 04:29.59 | nicholas__ | Help? |
| 04:30.12 | nicholas__ | It can't fit on a regular cd? |
| 04:30.22 | j0 | akio: one question.. if i get a drive thats like 1mb smaller, could i resize all my partitions and raid to accomodate adding it to the array? |
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| 04:30.26 | j0 | without rebooting preferably |
| 04:30.54 | akio | i wouldn't know |
| 04:30.59 | akio | haven't had to do that |
| 04:31.01 | enouf | nicholas__: use the -overburn option |
| 04:31.31 | nicholas__ | I am using the GUI, how do I do that in the GUI? |
| 04:31.40 | akio | i know what you mean, sure its possible... you may have to move your stuff out of the raid and re-construct |
| 04:31.58 | enouf | nicholas__: what gui? |
| 04:32.04 | nicholas__ | Nautilus. |
| 04:33.08 | nicholas__ | Using cat? |
| 04:33.12 | enouf | so, look in the burner's application's config options .. or just do this in an xterm; wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso |
| 04:33.52 | enouf | where dev=/dev/hdd is your /dev/cdrom - cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 04:34.55 | enouf | you could even add -dummy option for tests |
| 04:34.58 | nicholas__ | Where do I find that? |
| 04:35.10 | enouf | find what? |
| 04:35.29 | enouf | fire up gnome-terminal or something |
| 04:35.49 | enouf | or .. drop to the TTYs, ctrl-alt-fn and login |
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| 04:38.31 | cilkay | dances a happy dance because he found how to use apt-cacher package caches for preseeded PXE installations! |
| 04:39.16 | enouf | !congratulate cilkay |
| 04:39.16 | dpkg | Nice one cilkay, you did it! |
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| 04:41.55 | darkdrgn2k | Is thre a reason why my nvidia card is showing up as a scsi controler in lspci? |
| 04:42.05 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:42.24 | enouf | i gotta see this |
| 04:42.34 | darkdrgn2k | ok here -> http://pastebin.ca/1223434 |
| 04:42.46 | cilkay | The trick was to use an alias for the upstream apt repo by using path_map in apt-cacher.conf That enabled me to specify "d-i mirror/http/hostname string http://apt-cache:3142/debian" in my preseed file. |
| 04:43.25 | cilkay | ... where apt-cache:3141 resolves to a host on my network. |
| 04:43.32 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: firstly, run as root update-pciids |
| 04:43.36 | Tetracomm | Is there another way, enouf? |
| 04:43.45 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: and update-usbids |
| 04:44.05 | enouf | Tetracomm: you could use the netinstall - it's under 200MB |
| 04:44.06 | cilkay | And I think I'll be able to preseed away the keymaps issue I had earlier. |
| 04:44.15 | darkdrgn2k | .. then reboot? |
| 04:44.30 | Tetracomm | :( |
| 04:44.33 | enouf | Tetracomm: if you have a 650MB cd, i guess those aren';t enough - you need a 700MB one |
| 04:44.38 | Tetracomm | Is there any other way to enable overburn? |
| 04:44.44 | Tetracomm | It is a 700MB cd. |
| 04:45.01 | enouf | so, just run the command i gave you Tetracomm |
| 04:45.23 | cilkay | Tetracomm: Don't bother. Just use the netinstall CD. You'll only download the packages you and that freshest ones at that. |
| 04:45.24 | wols | darkdrgn2k: lspci -nn |
| 04:45.38 | darkdrgn2k | 05:04.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0021] (rev a1) |
| 04:45.38 | darkdrgn2k | M |
| 04:45.42 | cilkay | Tetracomm: ... assuming you have a broadband connection of course |
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| 04:46.00 | enouf | Tetracomm: wodim -scanbus, dmesg | grep CD-ROM, (even /etc/fstab) all those will work to show you dev=/dev/name |
| 04:46.17 | enouf | not to mention that 1st command i gave you Tetracomm |
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| 04:47.22 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 04:47.32 | wols | darkdrgn2k: what chip is it? there is not pic id for this kind of chip in pic.ids |
| 04:48.03 | cilkay | Rats! Keymap issue still hasn't been resolved. |
| 04:48.11 | darkdrgn2k | wols: i had this card in a fedora box before and it worked fine... |
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| 04:48.37 | wols | darkdrgn2k: are you unable to answer my question? |
| 04:48.45 | wols | *pci.ids |
| 04:49.12 | darkdrgn2k | geforce 6200 256meg pci |
| 04:49.41 | wols | darkdrgn2k: there are no such cards. agp only |
| 04:49.48 | darkdrgn2k | wols: umm myes there is,.... |
| 04:49.52 | wols | oh, 6200. I read 4200 |
| 04:49.55 | darkdrgn2k | LMAO |
| 04:49.55 | akio | netselect-apt was giving me servers i couldn't use.... getting 403 errors |
| 04:50.16 | enouf | akio: apt-spy maybe? |
| 04:50.31 | akio | i just stuck with ftp.debian.org |
| 04:50.35 | darkdrgn2k | (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3301409&CatId=1603) |
| 04:51.11 | akio | stay away from tigerdirect!!!! |
| 04:51.16 | akio | bad business |
| 04:51.18 | darkdrgn2k | akio:why? |
| 04:51.27 | darkdrgn2k | akio:and yeh.. newegg came to canada.. |
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| 04:51.55 | darkdrgn2k | so any ideas whats wrong with it/ |
| 04:51.57 | akio | i have used the one here in miami (i live in florida) and i almost want to drive down there and start some static |
| 04:52.13 | Tetracomm | enouf: It doesn't show me the location of the drive. |
| 04:52.24 | cilkay | Reading the installer log, particularly the part about debootstrap, is a bit like knowing how sausages are made. |
| 04:52.25 | akio | their parts are pulls/refurbs/garbage |
| 04:52.45 | darkdrgn2k | akio: umm well all the referbs i got where clearly labled as such.. |
| 04:53.22 | enouf | Tetracomm: maybe you don't have one :-P |
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| 04:53.39 | akio | i have no need to protect you, just a fair warning when you get burned, and they wont care |
| 04:54.08 | akio | newegg on the other hand have never disappointed me or my customers |
| 04:54.15 | darkdrgn2k | akio: lol actaly i even got them to take back a copy of XP 64 cause i biched that NOWHERE on the packaging does it not warn that there is no such drivers for it :) |
| 04:54.18 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: what mobo is that? and is that a riser card add on or something? |
| 04:54.46 | darkdrgn2k | enouf: its a HP compaq.. no riser.. onboard pci |
| 04:54.54 | Tetracomm | :'( |
| 04:54.57 | enouf | ... |
| 04:55.18 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: which debian kernel is that? |
| 04:55.21 | darkdrgn2k | hmm |
| 04:55.26 | darkdrgn2k | "WARNING: You do not appear to have an NVIDIA GPU supported by the 177.80" <- nvidia dirvers |
| 04:55.40 | darkdrgn2k | Linux MythFE 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:56.25 | darkdrgn2k | wonders if there is a setting in bios or somethign.... seeing how the monitor still outputs to the onboard port.. |
| 04:56.33 | enouf | play with your BIOS, and/or try booting with pci=routeirq or something - move the card to another slot |
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| 04:58.23 | darkdrgn2k | huh |
| 04:58.33 | darkdrgn2k | bios shows the card as a nvidia scsi conroller ?!?!?!?! |
| 04:58.38 | enouf | akio: i concur, newegg is the place to go, but his tiger is in canuckland ;-) |
| 04:58.50 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: nice one |
| 04:59.03 | darkdrgn2k | enouf: actualy newegg just opened up newegg.ca :) |
| 04:59.16 | darkdrgn2k | confused about this scsi buisness |
| 04:59.20 | enouf | !congratulate newegg |
| 04:59.20 | dpkg | Huzzah newegg, you did it! |
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| 05:00.11 | Tetracomm | I really need to burn this cd. |
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| 05:00.27 | enouf | hurls a truckload of ROMpaqs upon darkdrgn2k |
| 05:00.41 | darkdrgn2k | lol |
| 05:00.46 | darkdrgn2k | im alreayd at hp.com.. |
| 05:01.17 | craigevil | arg both the Xo and fedora are evil |
| 05:01.21 | cilkay | When I dpkp-reconfigure something, where is that logged? |
| 05:02.03 | darkdrgn2k | hmm |
| 05:02.04 | darkdrgn2k | bios.. 14 Aug 2008 |
| 05:02.24 | Tetracomm | Could someone help me? |
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| 05:02.52 | enouf | Tetracomm: what is the problem? |
| 05:03.14 | enouf | dmesg | grep ATAPI would be better than grep CD-ROM |
| 05:03.30 | Tetracomm | Debian Lenny won't fit on my 700MB cd. |
| 05:03.46 | htmlol | use the netinstall cd |
| 05:03.50 | Tetracomm | ata2.00: ATAPI: SONY CD-RW CRX216E, PD01, max UDMA/33 |
| 05:04.00 | htmlol | all you need is an internet connection |
| 05:04.02 | noborusa | hifi, has anyone ever tried to use the '-recent' module from iptables ? it is really werid,if i set the hitcount that is larger than 21,it does not work at all |
| 05:04.03 | Tetracomm | I am not going to wait for another download, the connection has been slow. |
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| 05:04.45 | enouf | haha - the kernel thinks my HDD is a CD Drive :-P [ 12.651045] hdc: hdc1 hdc2 <<6>hdb: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 05:04.45 | htmlol | the netinstall cd is 143MB |
| 05:04.46 | cilkay | Tetracomm: I've never found overburning reliable. By the time you burn one CD, you'll download the netinstall CD, which is quite small actually. |
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| 05:05.12 | htmlol | exactly |
| 05:05.24 | Tetracomm | So how are people going to burn Lenny? |
| 05:05.26 | cilkay | Tetracomm: If you already have Linux running on that machine, you could also do a debootstrap installation, though it's a bit more of an adventure. |
| 05:05.30 | enouf | er .. or .. compacted some output incorrectly actually |
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| 05:05.43 | Gm4n | ok, I have a day to convince work to move off exchange, but I need to figure out how to move mail onto my debian server. imapsync isn't working; any ideas? |
| 05:05.46 | noborusa | when Lenny is gonna be out ? |
| 05:06.37 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: when it's ready |
| 05:06.43 | cilkay | Tetracomm: Now that I have apt-cacher working, I don't think I'll be downloading too many ISO images. |
| 05:07.02 | enouf | Tetracomm: upgrade your kernel - and why not just upgrade? |
| 05:07.07 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 05:07.11 | Tetracomm | This is Fedora. |
| 05:07.19 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, geez,come on , man :D |
| 05:07.30 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: come on what? i'm serious. |
| 05:07.39 | clearscreen | I went back from x64 Etch to i386 lenny because of some 64bit compatibility issues I had... however, in x64 etch I got my sound to work by just apt-get installing alsa... this however does not seem to work on i386 lenny... none of my output devices are muted and I turned every bar at alsamixer to 100%... anyone that can point me in the right direction? |
| 05:07.40 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: it will be released when it's ready to be released |
| 05:07.44 | noborusa | by the time when lenny is out, would it contains a newer kernel ? |
| 05:07.59 | htmlol | Tetracomm: you're asking us questions about a fedora system? |
| 05:08.00 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: lenny is in feature freeze until the release |
| 05:08.13 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, there isnt a schedual ? |
| 05:08.14 | enouf | Tetracomm: your CD/DVD Drive doesn't appear to be recognized properly, ask #fedora how to make it so |
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| 05:08.20 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 05:08.21 | darkdrgn2k | damit |
| 05:08.26 | darkdrgn2k | how do i make a bootable dos pendrive? |
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| 05:08.32 | SerajewelKS | !when will lenny be released |
| 05:08.32 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, lenny should be out by the time you graduate. |
| 05:08.46 | enouf | !freedos |
| 05:08.46 | dpkg | i heard freedos is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, at http://www.freedos.org/, or now FreeDOS can run loadlin Violates the Principle of Least Surprise. After booting it, it won't see files that you copied to A:. |
| 05:08.53 | clearscreen | nobody? :( |
| 05:08.55 | darkdrgn2k | :) duuu.. |
| 05:09.08 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, cool :) would you tell me this, in the current lenny beta release, the kernel it uses ...does it have ipconntlimit included ? |
| 05:09.14 | enouf | darkdrgn2k: pendrivelinux.com and syslinux.zytor.com |
| 05:09.15 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: when the last RC bug is closed, then it will be released |
| 05:09.18 | noborusa | or connlimit something like that. |
| 05:09.35 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: i don't know, the kernel in lenny is broken for me, i'm still on 2.6.24 |
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| 05:10.06 | enouf | clearscreen: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 05:10.09 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, you dont use the debian kernel ? |
| 05:10.20 | clearscreen | I'll look into that, thanks |
| 05:10.21 | noborusa | i mean you did it by yourself ? cuz mine is 2.6.18 |
| 05:10.24 | SerajewelKS | i'm affected by bug 499198, which was downgraded from RC status. meaning that debian is going to make a release that i cannot use. |
| 05:10.25 | enouf | !tell clearscreen -about soundcheck |
| 05:10.35 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: i installed it when it was available in lenny |
| 05:10.36 | enouf | !tell clearscreen -about speaker-test |
| 05:10.43 | enouf | clearscreen: install alsa-oss |
| 05:11.09 | SerajewelKS | in fact, every kernel version i have tried since 2.6.24 has been shit on this box |
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| 05:11.55 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, i see,thanks for the info,anyway. |
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| 05:12.09 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: to get back to your question, i don't know. i don't use that module in my rule set. |
| 05:12.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: funny how from 2.4.27 through 2.6.26-1 work fine on this p2 ;-) |
| 05:12.20 | clearscreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.20 | clearscreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.23 | clearscreen | think it's working :P |
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| 05:12.47 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, yeah oh pity,i canot figure it out |
| 05:12.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: 2.6.25 puts processes in uninterruptible sleep after a few hours of uptime, one after the other, until there are no running processes anymore |
| 05:13.15 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, if i set the time frame value --> hitcount to larger than 20,iptables does not do what it should. |
| 05:13.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: 2.6.26 just flat out locks after a few days of uptime |
| 05:13.26 | enouf | :-/ |
| 05:13.29 | SerajewelKS | noborusa: you might try #iptables |
| 05:13.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: since reverting to 2.6.24 i have had zero problems |
| 05:14.06 | clearscreen | mmmmpf |
| 05:14.08 | clearscreen | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 05:14.12 | SerajewelKS | so it apparently doesn't affect everybody, but the 2.6.26 issue at least i know i'm not the only one |
| 05:14.15 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, if i set it lower than 20,it works,but i canot use it cuz the site has many small pics and which are all located on the same server,the value when is lower than 20 will insult in an outome --> pics are blocked |
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| 05:14.24 | SerajewelKS | there was an RC bug filed for that issue, which the maintainer downgraded |
| 05:14.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: tell me your hardware, so i know to stay clear ;-) |
| 05:14.32 | SerajewelKS | so lenny is going to be unusable |
| 05:14.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i can paste lspci, i don't remember the motherboard model |
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| 05:15.17 | SerajewelKS | i have a hunch it's something to do with apci |
| 05:15.31 | SerajewelKS | acpi too |
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| 05:15.34 | enouf | it's ok - i'm reviewing the bug |
| 05:15.53 | SerajewelKS | i have not commented on the bug btw, it's all other people |
| 05:15.57 | SerajewelKS | but it sounds exactly like my issue |
| 05:16.29 | SerajewelKS | i try to avoid "me too" comments that provide nothing more |
| 05:17.18 | cilkay | Is it necessary to do console-setup multiple times during a preseed install? I notice that the output of debconf-get-selections is littered with repeated console-setup parameters. |
| 05:17.21 | thnee | so i just got myself this brand new warez disk and i am trying to choose the right file system. i am eager to try, say xfs, or maybe reiser. now i have heard that there is not really a big difference between them, so i should just pick ext3 if i dont have any specific needs. but how do they compare with ntfs, in performance? |
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| 05:17.59 | darkdrgn2k | is there a way to get a nice graphical boot? |
| 05:18.07 | SerajewelKS | !splashy |
| 05:18.07 | dpkg | from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 05:18.18 | darkdrgn2k | :-D |
| 05:18.51 | SerajewelKS | thnee: i've heard of instability issues with reiser, ext3 works fine for me, and i've not tried xfs |
| 05:19.03 | SerajewelKS | thnee: running linux on ntfs is evil and god will kill a kitten if you try |
| 05:19.13 | geek__ | heh |
| 05:19.21 | geek__ | you can't boot of NTFS anyway |
| 05:19.25 | thnee | SerajewelKS: but as i said, it's for warez |
| 05:19.31 | geek__ | i like it for data partitions on dual boots though |
| 05:19.44 | cilkay | I've never had a problem with running reiserfs on my desktop machines but I don't trust it enough to use on servers in our hosting operation. We use ext3. |
| 05:19.52 | geek__ | thnee: do you need to access it from a windows box reliable? |
| 05:20.00 | SerajewelKS | thnee: are you really admitting that in this channel? |
| 05:20.04 | SerajewelKS | thnee: you should know better |
| 05:20.18 | geek__ | *reliably |
| 05:20.20 | thnee | geek__: yes, but there are programs that work great for this, yes? |
| 05:20.24 | cilkay | No one filesystem is "the best". It all depends on the compromises you're willing to make. |
| 05:20.35 | thnee | SerajewelKS: ok so it's for home movies... |
| 05:20.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: wait a minute .. this is that boinc issue? |
| 05:20.41 | thnee | SerajewelKS: just stating my usage pattern |
| 05:21.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the what who issue? |
| 05:21.00 | cilkay | Home movies.... sure. |
| 05:21.07 | thnee | it's true! |
| 05:21.07 | geek__ | thnee: i feel linux support for NTFS is better than windows support for $filesystem, IMO |
| 05:21.10 | clearscreen | I keep getting this error after running alsaconf: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.15 | thnee | geek__: oh, mkay |
| 05:21.21 | SerajewelKS | thnee: i use ext3 for my star trek library |
| 05:21.28 | thnee | hehe |
| 05:21.31 | SerajewelKS | seems to work ok |
| 05:21.52 | SerajewelKS | thnee: (and that's really not code for anything) |
| 05:21.53 | clearscreen | I have no idea what that means |
| 05:22.11 | geek__ | would use ext3 if i wanted a linux native format for access from windows, NTFS for something fast that definately work on windows, and FAT32 if i don't expect anything bigger than 4 gigs |
| 05:22.35 | enouf | SerajewelKS: 1st off , whomever reported #499198 referenced other bug reports - have you read those? |
| 05:22.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: briefly |
| 05:22.35 | thnee | oh and another thing, if i create a strpe raid array over only one disk, will it work with a raid controller, or is something specific done to it anyway? |
| 05:22.44 | cahoot | clearscreen: cat /proc/asound/cards - any card listed? |
| 05:22.50 | geek__ | why would someone raid a single disk? |
| 05:23.06 | clearscreen | daniel@debian:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:23.06 | clearscreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.06 | clearscreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.21 | SerajewelKS | thnee: why the hell would you stripe across a single physical device |
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| 05:23.28 | SerajewelKS | thnee: that's a good way to kill your box |
| 05:23.35 | enouf | SerajewelKS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498328 this guy was using p4s and disabling HT helped |
| 05:23.37 | geek__ | clearscreen: pastebin next time, please |
| 05:23.42 | clearscreen | I'm sorry |
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| 05:24.07 | geek__ | thnee: in short- it shouldn't work at all, its pointless, and you need to understand what raid is ;p |
| 05:24.11 | cahoot | clearscreen: amixer fails for root too? |
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| 05:24.37 | sep | thnee, depends on the raid controller, usualy you can create a raid1 with a missing disk, if you only have 1 disk at the time. |
| 05:24.40 | clearscreen | well I run alsaconf as root, I assume amixer is already failing at root right now |
| 05:24.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: or .. there was someone here with an almost exact issue, using boinc, but using i386 arch, he referenced that bug |
| 05:24.56 | sep | some controllers will not let you do it at all, |
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| 05:25.07 | thnee | hey hey, i know it's silly to raid one disk, but it wont work in "onboard ata mode" |
| 05:25.09 | darkdrgn2k | hmmm |
| 05:25.13 | darkdrgn2k | flash didnt fix it |
| 05:25.19 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and wols suggested he disable HT and it seems to have fixed it for him |
| 05:25.19 | darkdrgn2k | and in every other position the cpu beeps.. |
| 05:25.40 | thnee | SerajewelKS: kill? |
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| 05:26.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well, he mentions that it happened on .24 for him too, which is stable for me |
| 05:26.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i think i looked at that too and could not find anything about HT in my bios settings |
| 05:26.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: different ARCH too |
| 05:26.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am on dual-core amd64 |
| 05:27.01 | SerajewelKS | for whatever that is worth |
| 05:27.09 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no, he recompiled the kernel - HT was always off in the BIOS according to him |
| 05:27.14 | darkdrgn2k | odd put the card back... now the primary output seems to be the nvidia card.. |
| 05:27.16 | darkdrgn2k | intersting.... |
| 05:27.44 | enouf | SerajewelKS: this guy was on Dual pentium <somethings> |
| 05:27.50 | clearscreen | i officially declare myself stupid |
| 05:28.08 | Zesturian | I'm sure there's a facebook group for that clearscreen |
| 05:28.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i can't find any mention of him building his own kernel |
| 05:28.16 | clearscreen | I had unchecked "Mute" in gnome sound manager thing, but channels were still muted in alsamixer |
| 05:28.18 | darkdrgn2k | heh |
| 05:28.18 | darkdrgn2k | 05:04.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) |
| 05:28.43 | darkdrgn2k | odd |
| 05:29.00 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not the bug reporter (i corrected that misstatement earlier) |
| 05:29.46 | clearscreen | Oh well, thanks for the help again :) |
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| 05:30.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: oh you mean here in the channel? |
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| 05:30.32 | SerajewelKS | thnee: yes, if you stripe across one physical volume you are going to seek for every block you read |
| 05:30.36 | darkdrgn2k | how do you install the kernel sources in debian again? |
| 05:30.48 | SerajewelKS | thnee: the point of striping is to alterate blocks between physical devices to get better bandwidth |
| 05:30.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 05:30.55 | thnee | SerajewelKS: oh |
| 05:31.00 | SerajewelKS | thnee: doing this with one volume is going to severely lower your bandwidth |
| 05:31.15 | thnee | SerajewelKS: right, this felt like a bad idea from the start |
| 05:31.38 | thnee | i guess i will have to rearrange my disks then |
| 05:31.58 | SerajewelKS | or rather doing this with one physical device |
| 05:32.06 | thnee | cause this controller will only work in raid mode |
| 05:32.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hrm, well .24 works for me right now so *shrug* |
| 05:32.25 | SerajewelKS | thnee: you can RAID it, just don't stripe it |
| 05:32.59 | thnee | SerajewelKS: i got the option create array, in there i had to choose between mirror and stripe, and mirror is ofcourese even more wrong |
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| 05:33.08 | thnee | SerajewelKS: so i dont know how i would do that |
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| 05:33.27 | SerajewelKS | thnee: yeah... have fun with that |
| 05:33.41 | darkdrgn2k | hmm raid 0... the 0 is for how many files youll have left after a drive fails! |
| 05:34.18 | bbelt16ag | sigh I adminit it I like ubuntu |
| 05:34.25 | enouf | SerajewelKS: try building a .26 and disable CONFIG_HT_IRQ=y and CONFIG_X86_HT=y |
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| 05:34.58 | SerajewelKS | bbelt16ag: cool. this is #debian. |
| 05:35.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: maybe sometime if i have the time |
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| 05:35.41 | thnee | SerajewelKS: what? |
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| 05:36.03 | SerajewelKS | thnee: basically i don't know what you should do in this situation |
| 05:36.07 | SerajewelKS | thnee: but i need to get some sleep :) |
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| 05:37.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, are you on amd64 now? i'm on i386 - so not sure if you even have those options enabled (or if they even exist) |
| 05:37.28 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm on 2.6.24 amd64 |
| 05:37.32 | noborusa | how doi check the version of a package it s instaLLED ? |
| 05:37.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: can you grep your config? |
| 05:38.08 | enouf | noborusa: dpkg -l ; apt-cache policy |
| 05:38.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: both are =y |
| 05:38.21 | noborusa | enouf, thanks. |
| 05:38.38 | piecesandbits | is it just personal preference to use aptitude instead of apt-get and can they be used interchangeably? I keep seeing differing views. |
| 05:38.47 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok - hrm, and if you still have a .26 laying about, check those - but ok then |
| 05:39.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: alright, thanks for the ideas |
| 05:39.18 | enouf | sure - i hope somehow, this all gets cleared up |
| 05:39.26 | SerajewelKS | yeah me too |
| 05:40.07 | greeq | whats the package for matlab in debian lenny? |
| 05:40.26 | Gm4n | What's wrong with my shell script syntax? "for x in `cat folders_cleaned`; do; fetchmail -c -v -r $x; done" |
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| 05:42.24 | enouf | SerajewelKS: have you added to or created a bug yourself? Please append any specific info you can .. it should help |
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| 05:49.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: maybe even just disable one of those only (CONFIG_X86_HT=y) |
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| 05:54.34 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, are you still there ? |
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| 05:54.59 | noborusa | SerajewelKS, would you help me please,i FOUND the DOC that it tells the exactly problem that i am having |
| 05:55.16 | noborusa | but, i do not found the patch ,where ? http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-03/msg06100.html |
| 05:56.54 | noborusa | hmm |
| 05:57.17 | noborusa | i do not understand the methon that DOC explains to fix it,any idea ? |
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| 06:01.22 | enouf | noborusa: which issue? (/me scrolls up) |
| 06:01.25 | darkdrgn2k | is there a fast way to remove all -dev packages from a system? |
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| 06:01.48 | noborusa | enouf, here http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-03/msg06100.html |
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| 06:02.19 | enouf | noborusa: oh, i don't know .. apologies |
| 06:02.40 | EmleyMoor | darkdrgn2k: Not that I know - other than to search for them and then try to mark each one individually out |
| 06:02.55 | noborusa | enouf, i am having the exactly same problem as well as they are described on that page,when the hitcount is set larger or euqal to 21, iptables does not do anything aka unlimit, i dont understand how to fix it according to that page,pleas help me :) |
| 06:03.07 | darkdrgn2k | EmleyMoor: is there a way to list instaleld pacakges (like yum list | grep insatlled) |
| 06:03.22 | ben1597 | does anyone know how to unmount or unbind a rebound tdev or proc filesystem? |
| 06:03.24 | noborusa | enouf, no,i mean,i dont understand their english on that page, i dont find a resolution :( would you find it for me ? |
| 06:03.26 | enouf | noborusa: btw, might want to add a blank space after each punctuation in a sentence, such as a comma, a semi-colon, etc etc |
| 06:03.31 | EmleyMoor | darkdrgn2k: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 06:03.39 | darkdrgn2k | =) that will do |
| 06:03.42 | EmleyMoor | (IIRC) |
| 06:03.59 | noborusa | enouf, sure ,i will,sorry for that. |
| 06:04.00 | EmleyMoor | Been a while since I did it so I could be slightly wrong |
| 06:04.07 | ben1597 | context: building a system via debootstrap on a device and needed those filesystems to complete the system installation |
| 06:04.35 | enouf | noborusa: no worries, i'm not a grammer nazi, i'm just trying to help a little constructively for your future ;-) |
| 06:04.55 | noborusa | enouf, thanks in advance, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-03/msg06100.html please . |
| 06:05.22 | enouf | noborusa: please don't repeat so often .. i'll look at it - that's all i can say for now |
| 06:05.37 | darkdrgn2k | ok |
| 06:05.39 | noborusa | Okay, i am waiting. |
| 06:05.43 | darkdrgn2k | any one know hwo to compile nvidia binary driverfs? |
| 06:05.56 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 06:05.56 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 06:06.55 | darkdrgn2k | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:06.55 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 06:13.01 | darkdrgn2k | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:13.01 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 06:18.35 | enouf | noborusa: which kernel are you using? |
| 06:18.54 | noborusa | enouf, 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
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| 06:19.18 | enouf | noborusa: upgrade it to .24 |
| 06:19.20 | noborusa | enouf, I am on etch, by the way. |
| 06:19.28 | enouf | yes, i can tell ;-) |
| 06:19.48 | noborusa | enouf, but .24 is not available ,i checked apt. |
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| 06:20.07 | enouf | noborusa: sure it is |
| 06:20.17 | enouf | noborusa: apt-get update |
| 06:20.32 | enouf | noborusa: apt-cache search linux-image | grep 24 |
| 06:21.13 | enouf | noborusa: do you have 4GB or more of system RAM? |
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| 06:21.56 | SvenDowideit | hello - is there anyone that can point me to detailed docco on the Section: tag in the doc-base file? |
| 06:22.21 | noborusa | enouf, 4GB RAM. |
| 06:22.51 | SvenDowideit | I sooo can't find it, or a list of valid answers |
| 06:23.04 | SvenDowideit | and lintians pointer of : Refer to Debian doc-base Manual section 2.3.3 for details. |
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| 06:23.18 | enouf | noborusa: ok, then find the linux-image-2.6.24-x-686-bigmem and apt-get install it |
| 06:23.20 | SvenDowideit | results in a one line answer of detail-less-ness |
| 06:23.54 | noborusa | enouf, please wait, but someone is telling me just to upgrade iptables ? |
| 06:24.15 | enouf | noborusa: whom? |
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| 06:24.38 | bartel | anyone know what package has the 'display' command? |
| 06:24.49 | noborusa | enouf, in #netfilter, named Romster |
| 06:24.56 | bartel | or an apt-get command that will figure that out? |
| 06:25.00 | noborusa | i got his message at the same time when you were telling me. |
| 06:25.07 | tralala | bartel, apt-file |
| 06:25.16 | noborusa | enouf, he said, only need to upgrade iptables to 1.4.1.1. |
| 06:25.16 | enouf | noborusa: well, that patch you showed wasn't done till this year |
| 06:25.33 | noborusa | my current is 1.3.6.0debian1-5 |
| 06:25.36 | enouf | judd: versions iptables |
| 06:25.37 | judd | enouf: iptables: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 (etch) 1.4.1.1-3 (lenny) 1.4.1.1-4 (sid) |
| 06:26.11 | bartel | tralala: thanks, didnt know about that command but it has too many deps |
| 06:26.13 | tralala | oh, versioning bot, nice |
| 06:26.22 | enouf | indeed ;-) |
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| 06:26.44 | tralala | bartel, /msg dpkg find display |
| 06:26.55 | enouf | noborusa: then best to see if backports.org has the newer version |
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| 06:27.21 | k-man | can sox convert to m4a, AAC? |
| 06:27.29 | SvenDowideit | mmm, so when making a package, i have to give it a section, but there's no section for web apps??? |
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| 06:27.38 | enouf | noborusa: but upgrading your kernel might also help, in many ways - there is the off chance something could go wrong, just don't remove your old working kernel ;-) |
| 06:28.17 | bartel | SvenDowideit: check out gallery or drupal and see how they do it? |
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| 06:29.02 | SvenDowideit | bartel - yeah, though for some reason i tend to expect to see a policy :) |
| 06:29.12 | SvenDowideit | aha |
| 06:29.16 | SvenDowideit | they do what i used to |
| 06:29.18 | SvenDowideit | Section: web |
| 06:29.23 | SvenDowideit | which is invalid |
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| 06:29.56 | SvenDowideit | as lintian correctly-ish tells me 'no such section' |
| 06:30.05 | noborusa | enouf, :( |
| 06:30.21 | enouf | noborusa: what!? |
| 06:30.29 | enouf | !bpo |
| 06:30.29 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 06:30.37 | noborusa | enouf, that bug is the netfilter bug,actually in the ipt_recent.c i guess ? i should upgrade kernel would you think ? |
| 06:31.01 | enouf | noborusa: you showed me a patch that supposedly fixes a bug |
| 06:31.14 | noborusa | enouf, Rom told me to ask in debian,cuz now it is a debian problem,since the present iptables in etch has a low version. |
| 06:31.26 | noborusa | is a low version release,i mean. |
| 06:31.35 | enouf | noborusa: but yes, AFAICT, the file concerned is /net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_recent.c |
| 06:32.05 | enouf | noborusa: i know, so upgrade your iptables pkg 1st if you want |
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| 06:32.28 | noborusa | enouf, would you tell me how ? i forgot how to use backports. |
| 06:32.43 | enouf | !tell noborusa -about bpo |
| 06:33.32 | psychonate | in linux, is there anything roughly equivalent to Solaris' 'iostat' |
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| 06:34.26 | noborusa | aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update , if i do this, will upgrade many stuff ? but i only would need to upgrade iptables |
| 06:34.35 | psychonate | mmm looks like it's in the sysstat package |
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| 06:35.09 | etchgroup | helle |
| 06:35.12 | etchgroup | hello |
| 06:35.26 | noborusa | enouf, an important thing,if i go to use that backports thing, by then how can i come back from future ? |
| 06:36.06 | psychonate | doesn't display errors though |
| 06:36.12 | etchgroup | When debian boot, it's possible to mount swap and partiton 1 in the same time ? |
| 06:36.36 | etchgroup | and not partiton 1 and next swp |
| 06:36.58 | Caelum | why does it matter? |
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| 06:37.17 | noborusa | i would like to know, can i get back to the normal mode after i use backports ? |
| 06:37.36 | enouf | noborusa: you want to keep going, not backwards, once Lenny becomes Stable, you upgrade to lenny |
| 06:38.22 | noborusa | enouf, sorry about my english ? you mean is ...? |
| 06:39.09 | enouf | noborusa: backports is fine for you, use it, you get to use newer versions of software with Etch - just note, if Mission-Critical Security is paramount, then maybe don;t - otherwise for a Desktop system, even Lenny now is fine |
| 06:39.13 | Lagbolt | noborusa, he means you do not go backwards. if you are using backports you are fine |
| 06:39.57 | noborusa | enouf, my server is a production server which does webhostings. |
| 06:40.31 | enouf | and you are the Admin? |
| 06:40.47 | noborusa | sort of. |
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| 06:41.13 | enouf | noborusa: well, "/msg dpkg grounding" and get to know debian a bit better ;-) |
| 06:41.24 | akio | i am going to shoot myself in the face next time i hear that loud pcspkr blasting that blerrrp in my face |
| 06:41.32 | enouf | haha |
| 06:41.33 | psychonate | Anything special need to be done if I decide to use a KVM switch? (e.g. do I need to change xorg.conf)? |
| 06:41.37 | enouf | !bell |
| 06:41.37 | dpkg | well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 06:41.44 | akio | apparently removing the module pcspkr doesn't work anymore |
| 06:42.02 | enouf | akio: look up |
| 06:42.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.33 | akio | snd-pcsp ehh? |
| 06:42.38 | enouf | yep |
| 06:42.40 | akio | sneaky wankers |
| 06:42.51 | enouf | grep the sucker - then kill it ;-) |
| 06:43.09 | noborusa | enouf, hmm :) so if i use backports, this backports are for the stable release right ,so whatever it merely will damage to my server ? |
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| 06:43.49 | enouf | noborusa: it is the Best option if you absolutely need newer versions of software |
| 06:43.52 | akio | yes! |
| 06:43.54 | akio | no bell! |
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| 06:44.43 | noborusa | enouf, let me try it,anyway, if i dont apply the updates,i can change the source.1st to go back to normal and no harm right ? |
| 06:44.57 | enouf | noborusa: debian developers make the pkgs, so you can't ask for any better than that - it's just that the Security team cannot make those pkgs "Official" |
| 06:45.27 | enouf | noborusa: well. .. 1st see if backports.org even has the version you want (or newer) |
| 06:45.47 | enouf | noborusa: not all 20K pkgs are backported |
| 06:45.59 | clearscreen | Mmmpf... Sorry to bother you guys again... But i've just noticed "top" displaying a mem total of 907292k while I have 2GB ram, and gnome+firefox+netbeans seem to be using 860MB, which is almost all available memory.. anyone know what's going on? |
| 06:46.12 | enouf | noborusa: many, because they can't be, without also upgrading base system things |
| 06:46.15 | noborusa | enouf, Thank you very much, i have last 2 questions please. 1. i cannot just upgrade iptables alone ? 2. shall i comment the current one before adding the backports to source.1st ? |
| 06:46.43 | akio | oh, another thing |
| 06:46.50 | akio | the tap-to-click |
| 06:46.51 | enouf | noborusa: 1 yes 2 no |
| 06:47.18 | noborusa | enouf, oh,how to do for the first one then ? |
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| 06:47.30 | enouf | noborusa: bpo ;-) |
| 06:47.35 | akio | what was the command to make xorg.conf look normal again? |
| 06:48.31 | noborusa | enouf, i meant in the backports mode,is it possible to just upgrade iptables ? |
| 06:49.14 | bartel | akio: lol, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:50.09 | enouf | clearscreen: here, read these; http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management and http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ in that order |
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| 06:50.20 | enouf | noborusa: yes |
| 06:50.39 | noborusa | enouf, wow :D wonderful |
| 06:50.43 | cilkay | clearscreen: Firefox can use that on its own if you have lots of browser tabs open. And NetBeans isn't exactly lightweight either. |
| 06:50.52 | enouf | noborusa: apt-get update (follow the bpo directions, install the key, etc) then apt-get install iptables |
| 06:50.58 | akio | bartel: i did that and its still generic looking |
| 06:51.09 | akio | maybe i have old generic hardware though |
| 06:51.22 | enouf | noborusa: you should feel ok using backports, Lenny will be stable soon enough |
| 06:51.28 | akio | the SHMConfig true Maxtaptime 0 thing doesn't diable the tapping |
| 06:51.36 | noborusa | enouf, cool,Thank you very much,let me test it out. |
| 06:52.08 | akio | im trying to use lxde and there aren't fancy options that are checkboxes for things like these |
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| 06:52.14 | noborusa | enouf, sorry i ask too much ,one of the reasons is the panel i am useing on the server for webhostings which has NOT been tested on lenny yet, i use directadmin. so i have to be careful,brb. |
| 06:52.31 | enouf | ... |
| 06:53.01 | akio | i get no information on how lxnm works |
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| 06:56.46 | akio | wow, i am going to cry |
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| 06:57.35 | akio | dpkg: tap-to-click |
| 06:57.35 | dpkg | wish i knew, akio |
| 06:57.58 | enouf | noborusa: ok, looking into your patch further here it is http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_recent.c#L255 |
| 06:58.14 | enouf | noborusa: doesn't show up in mainline kernel until .25 |
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| 06:58.38 | enouf | noborusa: Etch has a .26 kernel available, through backports.org ;-) |
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| 06:59.20 | noborusa | enouf, let me check |
| 06:59.59 | akio | so im guessing those options were for the synaptics driver only |
| 07:00.45 | spx2 | what setting is for mailman in order for me to get only answers to my thread and not to others(which don't interest me at all)? |
| 07:02.02 | enouf | noborusa: Package: linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686-bigmem |
| 07:03.00 | noborusa | enouf, those packages in backports are made by debian developters, they ..they develop debian too ? the same group of people ? |
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| 07:03.09 | enouf | noborusa: yep ;-) |
| 07:03.40 | noborusa | Then it is hard to understand why the security team do not make the backports as the security release |
| 07:04.01 | enouf | noborusa: too much work - and too many changes |
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| 07:04.30 | enouf | noborusa: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz <= download that, and zless it if you like |
| 07:05.21 | noborusa | Thanks enouf ,you helped me too much.let me do it. |
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| 07:08.17 | enouf | noborusa: the blank spaces go after the commas and the periods. ;-) |
| 07:08.49 | noborusa | haha. Got it. |
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| 07:10.07 | akio | ok, i remember i have done this before but i forgot the important info, what i actually type in |
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| 07:10.24 | akio | the xorg.conf is generic by default |
| 07:10.36 | noborusa | enouf, debian is smart , i have the offical source and the backports together, and they live well, no conflicts. I thought i can only use either one at one time. |
| 07:10.41 | jon__ | akio: that's the easy part... you just read the manual and figure it out |
| 07:10.41 | akio | but there is a command that will show all the goodness |
| 07:11.03 | akio | the manual to what, the debian manual? |
| 07:11.16 | akio | its debian-specific |
| 07:11.27 | enouf | noborusa: you are learning ;-) |
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| 07:12.04 | enouf | akio: man xorg.conf and /msg dpkg laptop , /msg dpkg synaptics ? |
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| 07:16.43 | noborusa | enouf, iptables is already the newest version. |
| 07:16.47 | noborusa | :( |
| 07:17.42 | enouf | noborusa: yes, i see no iptables pkg there in the list - but i say, you need the new kernel, not a newer iptables pkg, though you might need both |
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| 07:18.23 | noborusa | enouf, i do not get it, how come with a newer kernel it will afect to that ipt_recent.c ? |
| 07:18.39 | enouf | noborusa: look at the patch and the code |
| 07:18.54 | enouf | noborusa: i'm going over to #iptables for you now |
| 07:19.09 | noborusa | Thanks. |
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| 07:21.44 | clearscreen | How can a clean gnome install take 750MB ram with only pidgin and amarok running? I'm trying to figure out what process is taking that amount of ram with top, but my screen isn't long enough :D |
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| 07:22.08 | craigevil | try using htop you can scroll |
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| 07:22.31 | craigevil | ram is meant to be used, unless things are going slow i wouldnt worry about it |
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| 07:22.53 | clearscreen | well it feels quite sluggish at some points |
| 07:23.07 | clearscreen | like resizing windows |
| 07:23.16 | akio | holy crap the debian splash isn't ugly!! |
| 07:23.22 | demism | what would be the best way for to debian machines on same net to communicate(file sharing)? |
| 07:23.33 | clearscreen | And before you ask, yes I have direct rendering enabled (proper nvidia driver) |
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| 07:26.01 | akio | man, lenny is gonna spank buntu hard |
| 07:27.05 | geek__ | lol |
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| 07:29.26 | akio | lets say i don't have the dependencies installed for a metapackage, but the meta-package IS installed, is there a way to install the dependencies of the meta-package over again? |
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| 07:32.01 | tralala | akio, uninstall it and install it again |
| 07:32.29 | craigevil | apt-get -reinstall |
| 07:32.38 | akio | thats what im doing |
| 07:32.42 | akio | aww |
| 07:32.50 | akio | would that have worked? |
| 07:32.53 | akio | jeez |
| 07:33.00 | tralala | I'm not sure |
| 07:33.26 | pred2k3 | hi, can I have a second root account and set folder rights, so that it cannot be accessed by the standard(first) root account= |
| 07:33.35 | tralala | but if it has broken deps apt-get -f install would have worked |
| 07:33.56 | tralala | pred2k3, only with selinux |
| 07:34.25 | tralala | but you need to be a die-hard admin to configure selinux |
| 07:34.53 | pred2k3 | that means? ;)= |
| 07:34.58 | craigevil | not really the wiki has a nice guide , but it is a pita |
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| 07:35.44 | akio | i see reinstall, but it isn't really clear on what it does besides "install" |
| 07:35.54 | tralala | pred2k3, it means it's probably a huge overkill for your needs |
| 07:35.56 | enouf | noborusa: get back here ;-) |
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| 07:36.12 | noborusa | yes :) |
| 07:36.22 | pred2k3 | hm |
| 07:36.43 | enouf | noborusa: 1st off, the fool told you that you need a newer iptables pkg rather than a newer kernel ... |
| 07:37.27 | enouf | noborusa: i'm reviewing the changelog, as should you, to see if it's even necessary for you to backport a newer iptables pkg |
| 07:37.45 | noborusa | well ,anything useful ? |
| 07:37.55 | enouf | noborusa: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.4.1.1-3/changelog see for yourself ;-) |
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| 07:39.44 | enouf | noborusa: here;s what i want you to do - install the .26 kernel i showed you, then once your reboot, you come back - see if everything is ok, and let me know if this newer iptables feature is working with your older Etch pkg |
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| 07:40.38 | noborusa | hmm , seriously, is it safe to do this ? |
| 07:40.45 | enouf | noborusa: if not, we will {try} to make our own .. i can't say for sure if it's possible yet - i have to check some files |
| 07:40.53 | enouf | noborusa: ofcourse it is |
| 07:41.02 | enouf | noborusa: well, wait |
| 07:41.13 | enouf | noborusa: are you doing this remotely? |
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| 07:42.31 | noborusa | yes |
| 07:42.35 | noborusa | via ssh. |
| 07:43.08 | noborusa | That is why i have to make sure, plus the server has clients on it, i can not do it wrong :( |
| 07:44.09 | enouf | noborusa: well, 1st off you must make sure you always have that connection, just in case, something goes awry, you schedule the new kernel install for when a) you can afford some downtime, and b) when someone is at the location where the server is to rescue you |
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| 07:44.33 | enouf | noborusa: you need to hire an Admin ;-) |
| 07:46.18 | noborusa | enouf, by the way, is it possible to get iptables upgraded ? |
| 07:46.36 | enouf | noborusa: now, all things considered, do you still feel you need this newer iptables feature? Remember, we still might have to make you a separate backport of iptables, using Debian sources ofcourse |
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| 07:47.37 | noborusa | enouf, now, i plan to go back to the normal sourcelist by getting rid of the backports since it doesn't help to upgrade iptables, after that, i will try to get the newer kernel from offical debian source right,then, i will try to get iptables upgraded |
| 07:48.07 | enouf | noborusa: not possible - i just checked |
| 07:48.18 | noborusa | which part you mean ? |
| 07:48.20 | enouf | noborusa: you'd have to upgrade the system to Lenny |
| 07:48.32 | enouf | noborusa: for a newer iptables pkg |
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| 07:48.46 | enouf | noborusa: it depends on the Lenny libc6 |
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| 07:49.02 | noborusa | oh :( |
| 07:49.23 | enouf | noborusa: that's why it hasn't been baclported |
| 07:49.32 | enouf | remember i mentioned that? |
| 07:49.34 | enouf | * dep: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) [not alpha, ia64] GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:49.45 | noborusa | I understand. |
| 07:49.53 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/iptables |
| 07:50.01 | enouf | ok then |
| 07:50.17 | noborusa | enouf, so now, i can safely go back to the normal sourcelist okay ? |
| 07:50.24 | enouf | noborusa: but, you might not need it, though at this point, i just do not know |
| 07:50.43 | enouf | noborusa: but to use that feature, you DO need that newer kernel |
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| 07:51.22 | noborusa | :( |
| 07:51.22 | enouf | noborusa: there's nothing wrong with backports.org, do not change that now |
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| 07:54.36 | noborusa | hmm |
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| 07:57.37 | noborusa | I hope lenny is going out soon :) thinking this is the best way to fix my problem |
| 07:58.09 | akio | lenny is better than sliced bread, really... |
| 07:58.13 | noborusa | oh wait. enouf, we can work it out by another way ;) |
| 07:58.26 | enouf | noborusa: think of bpo as a midway point between etch and lenny, once lenny is stable, you won't need backports any longer, until .. much later again ;-) |
| 07:58.55 | akio | is nvidia-glx-new in lenny? |
| 07:59.04 | noborusa | enouf, i assume we can get a newer kernel for etch right ? this kernel is better be done in the debian-way ,possible ? |
| 07:59.28 | enouf | i don't know offhand akio - i recall for a long time there a simple sid backport was needed |
| 07:59.31 | enouf | see the wiki |
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| 08:00.04 | noborusa | Somni, with this newer kernel, it has connlimit included , mine currently don't. so i do not need to use ipt_recent ,forgot this bug haha, alternatively, we can juse another switch which is better :) |
| 08:00.06 | enouf | noborusa: the bpo .26 kernel is a Debian kernel |
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| 08:01.02 | noborusa | enouf, cool, just need to make sure if that one has iplimit included. |
| 08:01.04 | pred2k3 | sellinux wiki is on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux/Understanding right? |
| 08:01.09 | akio | what wiki enouf |
| 08:01.26 | enouf | !tell akio -about nvidia |
| 08:01.44 | noborusa | I was told a long time ago, the iplimit feature will be added back again to the kernel, i forgot the exact version though. |
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| 08:02.46 | jim_p | does anyone know what debports is? i saw it here http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel |
| 08:02.55 | akio | bollacks |
| 08:05.13 | enouf | noborusa: here -> "modprobe -l | grep netfilter" |
| 08:05.14 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1223550 |
| 08:06.23 | enouf | noborusa: now, search those shown kernel modules for 'limit' |
| 08:06.40 | jon__ | enouf: is it a debian kernel because it was compiled with the debian buildd? |
| 08:06.57 | noborusa | enouf, Good news, Found it haha. |
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| 08:07.26 | noborusa | enouf, from your paste, xt_connlimit.ko |
| 08:07.43 | jim_p | anyone about debports? |
| 08:08.18 | enouf | jon__: i'm not sure what you're referring to |
| 08:08.38 | noborusa | enouf, wow, so i just need to get that .26 and that one was made by debian developters thus it's safe to use right |
| 08:08.39 | enouf | jim_p: no idea |
| 08:08.47 | enouf | noborusa: correct |
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| 08:09.08 | noborusa | enouf, Cool Thank you , let me do it now. |
| 08:09.15 | enouf | noborusa: wait |
| 08:09.21 | noborusa | Yes ? |
| 08:09.32 | enouf | noborusa: remember what i said about "scheduling" ? |
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| 08:09.56 | noborusa | I already forgot , any hint ? |
| 08:10.00 | enouf | there is a small chance the reboot won't go well - if you want to chance it, don't blame me ;-) |
| 08:10.08 | enouf | ... |
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| 08:10.15 | jon__ | you're not?! I'm not sure how people follow conversations... |
| 08:10.16 | noborusa | :( really ? |
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| 08:10.41 | jon__ | the .26 in bpo |
| 08:11.08 | enouf | noborusa: it can happen ANYTIME you change kernels .. it's nothing more to worry about than usual - you however, are remote, and there;s nobody at the Server side to bail you out |
| 08:11.15 | noborusa | hi jon__ , you are on that .26 kernel ? any problem to use it ? |
| 08:11.27 | magdalene | watches herself on her other client behind a 5 minute lag |
| 08:11.32 | jon__ | no, I'm wondering about it |
| 08:11.33 | magdalene | wierdness |
| 08:11.37 | enouf | jon__: what the fuck are you blatthering about? |
| 08:11.57 | jon__ | never mind... I don't need this crap |
| 08:12.54 | jon__ | if first you claim you're not sure what I'm referring to when it's THE LAST THING YOU REFERRED TO, I'm really not sure how you operate |
| 08:13.16 | magdalene | tempers gentlemen |
| 08:13.31 | enouf | into the b0z0 box you go - enjoy ;-) |
| 08:13.36 | jon__ | this is bullshit |
| 08:13.50 | noborusa | enouf, The paste page you gave me was from your current .26 machine ? |
| 08:13.51 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.57 | enouf | noborusa: yes |
| 08:14.30 | noborusa | enouf, so we are sure it does contain that useful ip limit moudle ,i compared it with mine, mine doesn't have. :) |
| 08:15.30 | noborusa | enouf, by the way, is there a way to check if that one is included in the newest debian kernel from the debian source ? |
| 08:15.51 | enouf | noborusa: i guess so .. |
| 08:15.53 | enouf | ~$ cat /proc/version |
| 08:15.53 | enouf | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080623 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-23)) #1 SMP Thu Aug 28 12:00:54 UTC 2008 |
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| 08:16.33 | akio | wow, thats the rowdiest ive seen a room since i got kicked for bashing fedora in the fedora room |
| 08:16.45 | enouf | noborusa: you can easily d/l and unpack any .deb to inspect it's contents |
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| 08:16.53 | bolt-work | i hate mornings |
| 08:16.55 | noborusa | enouf, strange, with using the debian official etch sourcelist, my current kernel is the newest. |
| 08:17.10 | bolt-work | !mornings |
| 08:17.17 | bolt-work | :/ |
| 08:17.18 | enouf | noborusa: you commented out or removed bpo? |
| 08:17.29 | noborusa | thus, i do apt-get update && upgrade i do not find a kernel available. |
| 08:17.32 | akio | !hotpants |
| 08:17.56 | noborusa | i have added # to bpo ,then did update and upgrade, nothing found. |
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| 08:18.15 | enouf | noborusa: you know the .26 comes from bpo for you |
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| 08:19.01 | bolt-work | too much spore? |
| 08:19.35 | enouf | magdalene: he's in the bozo box with the other smelly clowns |
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| 08:19.52 | noborusa | enouf, by the way, if i use backports, thinking i should ignore the debian-security in sourcelist ? |
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| 08:20.09 | enouf | noborusa: can't you read? |
| 08:20.24 | enouf | !tell noborusa -about bpo |
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| 08:20.37 | enouf | !tell noborusa -about msg the bot |
| 08:20.38 | magdalene | the bozo box can have his skeleton when I finish laying eggs in him |
| 08:20.54 | akio | whoa |
| 08:21.19 | akio | i feel like im gonna get an infection or something |
| 08:21.27 | liable | gpg-agent is retarded. i havent spent so long trying to get something working for ages.. |
| 08:21.33 | magdalene | *grin* |
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| 08:25.06 | jim_p | !debports |
| 08:25.07 | dpkg | debports is, like, a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 08:25.36 | noborusa | enouf, i just went back to backports again, all things are considered now, just need to know how to install that .26 :) |
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| 08:26.56 | noborusa | enouf, and according to that site you gave me, there says use apt-get -t etch-backports install âpackageâ , there is a 'etch-backports' in it, i guess by adding this to tell apt to NOT install stuff from the debian source, but from the bpo right ? |
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| 08:28.07 | enouf | noborusa: s/from the debian source/from the official Etch debian mirrors/ but yep |
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| 08:28.52 | enouf | noborusa: man apt and see what -t means |
| 08:29.08 | enouf | noborusa: install and read the debian reference |
| 08:29.17 | noborusa | enouf, yeah, and there are 3 of .26 images |
| 08:29.18 | enouf | otherwise hire an Admin ;-) |
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| 08:30.38 | noborusa | linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 and linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-vserver-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4, Linux-VServer support |
| 08:30.44 | noborusa | 2 of them,i mean |
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| 08:32.28 | noborusa | The best would be using the offical one linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem. But i do not know how to find if it contains connlimit in netfilter :( |
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| 08:33.14 | enouf | noborusa: it does not contain that PATCH updated code you posted |
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| 08:33.43 | noborusa | enouf, so the bpo one is the only choice |
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| 08:34.03 | enouf | noborusa: i don't know if those are related |
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| 08:35.07 | noborusa | enouf, hmm would you do a test for me to check if that connlimit is ACTUALY working in your debian box, please ? |
| 08:35.20 | enouf | noborusa: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem/filelist |
| 08:35.43 | enouf | noborusa: i'm going to sleep now |
| 08:36.36 | noborusa | enouf, Thank you a lot . Have a good sleep. I will read. :) |
| 08:37.24 | noborusa | enouf, wait. |
| 08:37.36 | noborusa | enouf, /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem/kernel/net/netfilter/xt_connlimit.ko |
| 08:37.48 | noborusa | enouf, see ? it is there |
| 08:37.56 | enouf | i know |
| 08:38.10 | enouf | that's NOT the patch info you posted |
| 08:38.33 | noborusa | enouf, you meant the ipt_recent thingy ? |
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| 08:39.02 | enouf | yeah - the if (info->hit_count > ip_pkt_list_tot) thingy |
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| 08:39.40 | noborusa | enouf, haha :) forget about that one |
| 08:39.56 | noborusa | enouf, with this connlimit , it would work like a charm :) |
| 08:40.47 | noborusa | enouf, I am very sorry that i asked too much, i am very appreciated your patience and your helps . Have a good sleep. |
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| 08:56.38 | milez | hi. can anyone suggest a convenient method to see installed packages, sorted by size? |
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| 09:06.06 | petemc | milez: dpkg:dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
| 09:06.42 | petemc | or /msg dpkg sort by size |
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| 09:23.35 | heyuxiang | hi man |
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| 09:32.52 | MrWGW | what's your equivalent of cu? |
| 09:32.56 | MrWGW | for serial console access? |
| 09:33.50 | petemc | cu? |
| 09:33.59 | petemc | screen does serial console stuff |
| 09:34.06 | tuxick | or minicom |
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| 09:34.40 | MrWGW | okies |
| 09:34.45 | MrWGW | cu is BSD's console app |
| 09:34.55 | MrWGW | the nice thing about cu is its easy to invoke |
| 09:35.04 | petemc | screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:35.06 | MrWGW | cu -l /dev/cuad5 -s 9600 |
| 09:35.10 | MrWGW | petemc: cool |
| 09:35.13 | petemc | screen autosenses |
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| 09:50.02 | noborusa | I am not sure if this is a debian bug or what |
| 09:50.32 | noborusa | i just got kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem installed cuz it contains connlimit |
| 09:50.44 | noborusa | then i do iptables -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 16 --connlimit-mask 24 -j REJECT |
| 09:50.53 | noborusa | it just says iptables: Invalid argument |
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| 09:52.14 | jared | Hi, i am just playing around with debian and i was wandering if i could get apt to delete and restore everying i have installed so far - pretty much an reinstallation? |
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| 09:52.56 | jared | i cbf downloading everything again so can i keep the cache? |
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| 09:53.08 | rix0rrr | Hey, does anyone here know something about process time accounting? times() and clock() keep returning 0. Could it have something to do with my tickless kernel or the new CFS? |
| 09:53.38 | tralala | jared, and why do you need to do that? |
| 09:53.52 | noborusa | problem is not in compatibility ,maybe |
| 09:54.28 | tralala | noborusa, try reordering and removing args until you find which one is causing the error |
| 09:55.18 | jared | tralala: i want to just get a basic system with kernel utils and patches and gcc, and I then want to make some virtualised systems on top of that |
| 09:55.19 | noborusa | tralala, ip_tables: connlimit match: invalid size 32 != 16 |
| 09:56.12 | tralala | noborusa, where's your chain for this rule? |
| 09:56.45 | noborusa | in /var/log/message, there are some error server kernel: ip_tables: connlimit match: invalid size 32 != 16 |
| 09:56.59 | tralala | jared, and you'll accomplish this by reinstalling everything? |
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| 09:57.58 | jared | tralala: and after i install the stuff i need |
| 09:58.03 | noborusa | tralala, i run iptables -L, no such chain named connlimit |
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| 09:58.22 | tralala | jared, just uninstall everything you don't need |
| 09:58.33 | jared | tralala: i will put the cache on a nfs so i can use it on the virts |
| 09:58.54 | jared | tralala: iv got a lot of stuff installed :( it will take forever |
| 09:59.25 | dudeman | hmm |
| 09:59.28 | dudeman | good morning |
| 09:59.29 | tralala | noborusa, connlimit is a module, not a chain. Try using an iptables wrapper - there are a few of them. |
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| 09:59.57 | dudeman | jared, why don't you just create a local repo |
| 10:00.10 | tralala | jared, not really, you can uninstall by tasks |
| 10:00.16 | jared | i can probably make a script to do it if i had a list of packages that should be installed |
| 10:00.34 | jared | dudeman: yeh i might |
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| 10:02.42 | jared | rix0rrr: i just googled those funcs, times() stores the information in *buf |
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| 10:02.55 | dudeman | funcs |
| 10:03.03 | dudeman | virts |
| 10:03.09 | dudeman | you lazy bum! |
| 10:03.13 | jared | :P |
| 10:03.26 | dudeman | *buf |
| 10:03.33 | dudeman | smacks jared |
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| 10:05.51 | jared | :o |
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| 10:06.10 | jared | runs away |
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| 10:06.36 | dudeman | jared, you can clone |
| 10:06.39 | dudeman | !debian clone |
| 10:06.39 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 10:06.42 | dudeman | !aptitude clone |
| 10:06.42 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
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| 10:06.54 | dudeman | use your local repo to pull in packages |
| 10:07.09 | jared | ahh |
| 10:07.16 | jared | cool |
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| 10:07.39 | jared | can i download a file made from a fresh etch |
| 10:08.10 | dudeman | ? |
| 10:08.47 | jared | i want a fresh system |
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| 10:09.37 | dudeman | well you can install etch in a chroot, install whatever packgea you want from clone that |
| 10:09.44 | dudeman | you don't have to reinstall or start over |
| 10:10.19 | dudeman | but this is kinda like startng over clean |
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| 10:10.47 | dudeman | (idea is to clone a clean fresh base system + whatever packages u install) |
| 10:11.05 | jared | hmm |
| 10:11.22 | jared | not realy what im looking for |
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| 10:11.29 | jared | but i think iv figured it out |
| 10:12.07 | noborusa | how can i upgrade my iptables to a newest one ? |
| 10:12.31 | noborusa | mine is current the lastest in etch but it has problem with connlimit |
| 10:12.38 | noborusa | i need to upgrade it |
| 10:12.47 | noborusa | 1.3.6.0debian1-5 |
| 10:13.11 | hifi | what was the dpkg command to see which package owns file /foo/bar/baz |
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| 10:13.39 | petemc | dpkg -S |
| 10:13.39 | dpkg | petemc: wish i knew |
| 10:13.54 | noborusa | :( |
| 10:14.27 | hifi | petemc: thanks |
| 10:15.17 | noborusa | i have been working on this hours ,no success :( |
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| 10:16.04 | petemc | noborusa: look for a backport |
| 10:17.06 | noborusa | petemc, hi ,nice to see you here again, i have tried the backports ,it does not have newer iptables |
| 10:17.27 | noborusa | The one i have tried, which is http://www.backports.org . |
| 10:17.35 | jelly | noborusa: create a backport yourself, then. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:18.23 | noborusa | enouf told me newer iptables need libc > 6 which is available in lenny that is why it is not included in backports |
| 10:18.49 | jelly | noborusa: the libc6 versioned dependency can probably be ignored when making a backport |
| 10:19.24 | jelly | I doubt that a kernel-bound tool like iptables userspace needs anything from libc |
| 10:20.05 | jelly | with the possible exception of recent header files for building |
| 10:20.06 | noborusa | jelly, i checked that 'ssb' , it looks like very complicated and a big risk for me . |
| 10:20.56 | noborusa | jelly, my really problem is , i cannot use connlimit ,it says invalid argument and the log says ip_tables: connlimit match: invalid size 32 != 16 |
| 10:21.33 | noborusa | jelly, i just got this new etchhalf kernel installed since it contains connlimit ,unfortunately, finally it does not work :( |
| 10:21.45 | jelly | noborusa: what does not work? |
| 10:22.16 | noborusa | jelly, i can not use the 'connlimit' switch in iptables |
| 10:22.21 | noborusa | iptables -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 16 --connlimit-mask 24 -j REJECT |
| 10:22.59 | noborusa | it says iptables v1.3.6: no command specified |
| 10:23.35 | noborusa | jelly, or if i try this which is from the netfilter man page iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 3 -j REJECT |
| 10:24.05 | xand | !wwlr |
| 10:24.05 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 10:24.14 | noborusa | jelly, iptables: Invalid argument, /var/log/message says kernel: ip_tables: connlimit match: invalid size 32 != 16 |
| 10:25.06 | jelly | noborusa: right, so there really seems to be a mismatch between the arguments passed from iptables userspace utility to the kernel, and it's reasonable to think that a rebuild would help |
| 10:25.30 | noborusa | rebuild what ? |
| 10:25.37 | jelly | iptables userspace |
| 10:25.53 | noborusa | my iptables came from etch install |
| 10:26.06 | jelly | and you're running a kernel not from etch install |
| 10:26.16 | noborusa | true |
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| 10:26.35 | noborusa | I just use apt-get to install this new kernel from debian official sourcelist. |
| 10:26.40 | jelly | noborusa: obviously they're not completely compatible |
| 10:26.47 | jelly | official? uname -r |
| 10:27.00 | noborusa | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
| 10:27.19 | jelly | ah. You should file a bug for the iptables package then |
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| 10:28.06 | Sisco | What's a good packet sniffer for debian? |
| 10:28.15 | noborusa | so in my matter,with doing a recompling of iptables userspace wont help ? |
| 10:29.12 | noborusa | jelly, i checked online, some people by just changing their version of iptables,this problem is solved. |
| 10:29.14 | jelly | noborusa: it might, but you've said it was too complicated |
| 10:29.52 | noborusa | recompile will have to use that ssb thing ? |
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| 10:30.32 | jelly | that is the proper way to make packages of new versions |
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| 10:30.48 | ehamberg | what does it mean when a package is marked as "pc" in the dpkg -l listing? |
| 10:31.04 | logd | uuid in fstab can be used only for ext3 fs ? |
| 10:31.35 | jelly | logd: or any other filesystem that has one. try running "blkid" |
| 10:31.41 | noborusa | jelly, may i know, that ssb thing is officially ? |
| 10:32.03 | noborusa | plus ,after i do that, my etch will be upgraded to sid ? :( |
| 10:32.05 | logd | yep but i did ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -alh and it given me it's guid |
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| 10:32.27 | logd | but added in fstab as uuid=<uuid> etc. |
| 10:32.30 | jelly | noborusa: that's the way to create a backport. Only the package you build will get upgraded, when you install it. |
| 10:32.35 | logd | gives error can't find tfile |
| 10:32.46 | logd | and the device uses ntfs with ntfs-3g |
| 10:32.55 | jelly | logd: UUID=.... (case matters, I think) |
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| 10:33.04 | logd | yes it's upper |
| 10:33.07 | fietsbel | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get ? |
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| 10:33.38 | dmh65 | not sure |
| 10:33.40 | noborusa | jelly, wow ,so if i do it correctly, my current etch system will still be up2date with debian offical no problem and in the meantime i will get a newer iptables right ? |
| 10:33.47 | dmh65 | I think one purges files maybe |
| 10:34.07 | themill | dpkg: tell fietsbel about why aptitude |
| 10:34.20 | dmh65 | and me :) |
| 10:34.20 | logd | jelly, however uuid dìfor non .unix fs are much shrter |
| 10:34.24 | logd | coukd e this ? |
| 10:34.25 | jelly | noborusa: that is the point of backports, to get a newer version of only the few packages you need |
| 10:34.42 | jelly | logd: xxxx-xxxx is a normal uuid for ntfs |
| 10:34.44 | noborusa | i need to know more about ssb, my servers are doign business,i can not stand a big mistake :( |
| 10:35.27 | jelly | logd: mmm, sorry, that's for vfat. yes, I guess uuids may differ across filesystems |
| 10:35.48 | noborusa | jelly, yeah, and that is what i am considering right now , i wonder if i do that, by then will their be any conflict when i do the regular updates. |
| 10:35.51 | jelly | logd: I'm using LABEL= in fstab anyway ;-) |
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| 10:36.39 | logd | ye to me it returns 16 hexa digits without dashes |
| 10:36.49 | logd | yep but i dunno how to set lael for ntfs ;) |
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| 10:37.29 | jelly | noborusa: you will have to take care when lenny releases, that your self-built version isn't a higher number than what's in lenny; apart from that, apt/aptitude will ignore your package since it'll always be bigger version than what's in etch |
| 10:38.04 | jelly | logd: hm. I did it in windows. |
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| 10:39.20 | noborusa | jelly, sound like i shall give it up. :( |
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| 10:42.29 | noborusa | jelly, what would you think about this ? i force to install a newer iptables ? |
| 10:43.02 | jelly | noborusa: no, make a backport. |
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| 10:43.44 | noborusa | jelly, they fixed it by just having a newer iptables http://www.spinics.net/lists/netfilter/msg42446.html |
| 10:44.06 | jelly | noborusa: you're repeating yourself; I have nothing else to add. |
| 10:44.33 | jelly | the proper way to get a newer version is to make a backport and install it |
| 10:44.47 | noborusa | The ssb thing hmm |
| 10:46.03 | noborusa | jelly, i wouldn't upgrade to lenny from etch when the servers are still having customers, i mean, i will do it on the spare servers ,so in this matter, i go to do ssb thing is quite safely ? |
| 10:47.02 | themill | jelly: that's going to be highly non-trivial to backport, unfortunately. The build-deps aren't in etch so you've got to redo the build system -- it relies on debhelper 7 |
| 10:47.33 | jelly | !info debhelper etch-backports |
| 10:47.56 | themill | judd: versions debhelper |
| 10:47.57 | judd | themill: debhelper: 5.0.42 (etch) 7.0.15~bpo40+2 (etch-backports) 7.0.15 (lenny) 7.0.17 (sid) |
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| 10:48.05 | themill | oh... that's new |
| 10:48.17 | themill | ignore me then... |
| 10:48.22 | jelly | dpkg: you suck, judd is my new nest friend |
| 10:48.22 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 10:48.45 | themill | jelly: dpkg doesn't have info on backports.org anyway. (judd also has dmm ftw :) |
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| 10:50.35 | noborusa | hmm so i can safely go to ssb ? |
| 10:50.44 | themill | jelly: someone with a much stronger constitution than me did that backport... I looked at doing it a while ago but it descended into circular dependencies that were all not in etch. (debhelper used dpkg >> etch, dpkg used debhelper >> etch etc) |
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| 10:51.01 | jelly | noborusa: like themill warned, you'll have to enable the backports repo to make "apt-get build-dep iptables" work |
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| 10:51.25 | jelly | themill: circular deps, or circular build-deps? |
| 10:51.44 | themill | build-deps |
| 10:52.18 | jelly | huh. maybe they lied. I usually try making do with the versions available, it often works ;-) |
| 10:52.18 | noborusa | repo ? |
| 10:53.15 | jelly | noborusa: repository. apt-get build-dep will want newer debhelper, that's only available via backports.org |
| 10:53.34 | themill | dpkg: tell noborusa about bpo |
| 10:55.00 | noborusa | you mean enable the bpo source in sourcelist right ? |
| 10:55.09 | jelly | yes. |
| 10:56.18 | noborusa | jelly, so after i done all of those, i will have a newer iptables and my system is still etch and still will be able to obtain patches and updates via apt from debian offcial ? |
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| 10:56.59 | mikeX | hello, is there a simple way to search for packages (preferably via apt) based on their changelog information (specifically the urgency= field)? |
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| 10:59.17 | jelly | noborusa: that's what backports are for, yes |
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| 10:59.29 | jelly | aways |
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| 11:01.15 | noborusa | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list it doesn't tell me what contents after the ... mark . |
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| 11:01.58 | themill | !fish |
| 11:01.58 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 11:02.58 | ronr | my auth.log is filled with errors like here: http://pastebin.com/m6595c3c8 I can't update password (though passwd keeps claiming everything went ok), any clues? |
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| 11:06.55 | noborusa | themill, would you tell me that complete line please ? |
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| 11:08.08 | themill | noborusa: man 5 sources.list |
| 11:08.47 | noborusa | Thanks. |
| 11:08.55 | themill | noborusa: there is no generic answer to this -- it depends on what mirrors you use. |
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| 11:10.25 | noborusa | themill, thanks, let me try. |
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| 11:18.01 | noborusa | themill, after i done all of those, by then can i get rid of the sid from sourcelist ? |
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| 11:18.51 | themill | noborusa: you should only have sid in a deb-src line which will not harm your system at all. It can stay there or you can remove it. Up to you. |
| 11:19.30 | noborusa | themill, thank you, please give me the official debian sid line ok ? |
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| 11:20.29 | sep | noborusa, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 11:20.34 | noborusa | abrotman, good morning :D |
| 11:20.44 | themill | noborusa: what do you mean? there's no "official debian sid line". |
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| 11:21.33 | AussieGuy | hi, I have a weird error... as root (sudo) .... sudo ls > output/delete-me .............. -bash: output/delete-me: Permission denied |
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| 11:21.54 | noborusa | i am so confused |
| 11:22.47 | noborusa | I mean debian.org should have a source list of itself that is read as deb-src .... ? |
| 11:22.49 | crashanddie | AussieGuy, ls -l output/delete-me |
| 11:22.58 | crashanddie | AussieGuy, check the perms |
| 11:23.05 | petemc | im not sure that would matter |
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| 11:23.19 | petemc | i would imagine it would work if you su to root |
| 11:23.30 | crashanddie | probably sudoers problem? |
| 11:23.47 | petemc | problem with how sudo works more like |
| 11:25.29 | themill | noborusa: copy a "deb" line from your sources.list. In that line, change deb to deb-src and change etch to sid. |
| 11:25.54 | noborusa | let me try. |
| 11:26.15 | magdalene | hey anyone else lagged to poopie? |
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| 11:28.07 | gane | give me a link how to write make file |
| 11:28.44 | sajes | gane: Is google down? |
| 11:29.15 | gane | sajes, i tried but there is no perfect link |
| 11:29.36 | gane | sajes, if you have any pdf file link please |
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| 11:31.26 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=make+file+basics&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
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| 11:31.40 | abrotman | first two look decent enough |
| 11:31.59 | abrotman | albeit short |
| 11:32.05 | nathan-_ | hey.. what package do I install to get 'cc' |
| 11:32.18 | wols | !tell nathan-_ about build-essentials |
| 11:32.24 | nathan-_ | thanks |
| 11:32.32 | themill | dpkg: tell gane about makefile |
| 11:32.55 | themill | !b-e nathan-_ |
| 11:32.55 | dpkg | nathan-_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 11:32.57 | noborusa | themill, it says E: Build-Depends dependency for iptables cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirement |
| 11:33.11 | themill | noborusa: jelly told you about that. |
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| 11:33.22 | noborusa | i already enabled backports |
| 11:33.27 | nathan-_ | all I really want is Net::SSH::Perl, but it doesn't look like there's a pkg for it |
| 11:33.39 | noborusa | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 11:33.41 | wols | noborusa: then read the backports.org instructions if you don't have a clue |
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| 11:33.56 | nathan-_ | so now I'm doing cpan Net::SSH::Perl and it tells me I need cc |
| 11:34.10 | themill | nathan-_: libnet-ssh-perl |
| 11:34.17 | gane | themill, i want to a pdf link which will helpful for me to write a make file |
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| 11:34.32 | noborusa | hi wols , i am very upset ;( |
| 11:34.36 | nathan-_ | themill: that installs Net::SSH, not Net::SSH::Perl |
| 11:34.45 | themill | nathan-_: also, look at dh-make-perl |
| 11:35.37 | noborusa | I followed what dpkg told me, it does not work at all |
| 11:35.42 | wols | noborusa: why cause no one does the handholding and forcefeeding you want? |
| 11:35.48 | wols | noborusa: bullshit |
| 11:36.01 | wols | noborusa: your lackf of clue and laziness is not dpkg's fault |
| 11:37.57 | themill | noborusa: did you install debhelper from backports.org? |
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| 11:39.11 | noborusa | themill, i didn't. i thought it will be automatically downloaded. |
| 11:39.36 | nathan-_ | mutters something about assumptions being the mother of all f**kups |
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| 11:41.28 | wols | noborusa: have you read the backports.org instructions? |
| 11:41.43 | noborusa | wols, yes, done and it's being installed :D |
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| 11:42.07 | RichiH | ugh, how can i let others access my screen session, again? i thought both I and they need to screen -x foo? |
| 11:42.48 | ehamberg | RichiH: that should work. |
| 11:43.06 | RichiH | ehamberg: doesn't, though |
| 11:43.22 | ehamberg | what happens, then? |
| 11:43.50 | RichiH | There is no screen to be attached matching foo. |
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| 11:43.56 | ehamberg | same user? |
| 11:43.57 | RichiH | at the side of the other user |
| 11:44.01 | RichiH | ehamberg: different ones |
| 11:44.14 | abrotman | retty? |
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| 11:44.46 | abrotman | eh no |
| 11:44.48 | ukatan | hello, I'm having a problem with X. It seems to take an extraordinarily long time to start |
| 11:44.54 | ukatan | ~4 minutes or so |
| 11:45.01 | ukatan | using lenny |
| 11:45.22 | ukatan | I've googled around and found a number of forum threads and whatnot discussing problems similar to mine, but none of the fixes apply to me or solve it |
| 11:45.38 | RichiH | abrotman: no |
| 11:45.43 | ukatan | I remember at one point I fixed it on another system by installing some package or another, but I can't remember which one it was |
| 11:45.44 | ehamberg | RichiH: if that worked it would mean that i could log on to some shared machine and use all user's screen sessions. if it's possible to share screen sessions between users, you need to do more than just "screen -x foo". never seen that done, though. |
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| 11:46.06 | RichiH | ehamberg: i thought -x was exactly for that |
| 11:46.53 | ehamberg | i use when i log on my server because i may have screen sessions attched in other ssh sessions. |
| 11:47.08 | ehamberg | this session is open from my machine at home, and my laptop, by using -x |
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| 11:48.11 | noborusa | themill, when i do apt-get -b source iptables it returns an error . http://pastebin.ca/1223651 |
| 11:48.40 | abrotman | why are you building iptables at all? or don't i want to know? |
| 11:48.48 | themill | abrotman: you don't want to know |
| 11:49.07 | themill | noborusa: what version of debhelper do have installed? pastebin "apt-cache policy debhelper" |
| 11:50.06 | noborusa | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1223652 |
| 11:50.32 | themill | noborusa: and what do you notice is wrong about that output? |
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| 11:51.16 | noborusa | themill, the entire ouput have been included in my first pastebin |
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| 11:51.39 | abrotman | calls him Dr. themill |
| 11:51.56 | noborusa | Mr. themill :) |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | noborusa: notice the error from your buildlog .. and the output of the apt-cache policy command .. do you see a problem there? |
| 11:52.29 | themill | noborusa: look at your output from apt-cache policy debhelper. |
| 11:52.44 | themill | noborusa: [12:37] <themill> noborusa: did you install debhelper from backports.org? |
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| 11:55.09 | noborusa | but i already installed debhelper |
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| 11:55.51 | johntramp | Hey. I just got a new harddrive, its a 700gb WD sata. When I put it in now my bios freeses on the screen where it would usually display the hdd size and serial number etc. Any ideas why this could be? |
| 11:55.54 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:56.05 | wols | johntramp: offtopic. ask ##hardware |
| 11:56.06 | themill | noborusa: it would appear not. Look at the output from apt-cache policy debhelper again. |
| 11:56.12 | johntramp | wols: ok |
| 11:56.22 | timgoh0 | noborusa: Specifically the second line. |
| 11:56.33 | noborusa | yeah then it is very strange. |
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| 11:58.39 | ukatan | does anyone know why X would take forever to start, while putting no strain on the system at all? |
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| 11:59.10 | noborusa | themill, now i redo it, it says debhelper is broken . http://pastebin.ca/1223654 |
| 11:59.40 | abrotman | how is that broken? |
| 12:00.09 | wols | noborusa: it clearly says you what to do. why don't you read? |
| 12:00.18 | wols | *to you |
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| 12:02.05 | Crypticfortune | Ok, so we use OpenSSH hostbased authentication here, but it looks like the behaviour changed between etch and lenny such that when ssh sends it's hostname it sends "hostname+domain" instead of just "hostname". I have a feeling this is a Debian-specific "feature." Any way to force "normal" behaviour? |
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| 12:03.41 | themill | Crypticfortune: "sends its hostname"? |
| 12:03.45 | noborusa | this time it works :D |
| 12:04.18 | noborusa | i found why, it fetched the file named 'quilt' from my own sourcelist,but not from the backports. |
| 12:04.24 | Crypticfortune | themill: sorry, yes, "sends its hostanme" (you're just correcting my grammar, right?) |
| 12:04.52 | noborusa | after it reminds me a broken debhelper,i redo it,this time it automatically downloaded this file from backports ,haha ,it is smart one :) |
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| 12:05.04 | simonrvn | more likely "wtf do you mean" |
| 12:05.38 | themill | Crypticfortune: only accidentally correcting your grammar. In what context is it "sending its hostname"? |
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| 12:06.19 | abrotman | sounds like instead of sending 'foo' it's sending 'foo@domain.com' |
| 12:06.27 | noborusa | themill, done, now i have iptables_1.4.1.1-4_i386.deb . shall i remove my current iptables before install it ? |
| 12:06.32 | abrotman | erm .. foo.domain.com |
| 12:07.07 | noborusa | I am very happy now :D |
| 12:07.08 | abrotman | noborusa: you already installed it? it should have upgraded your package .. apt-cache policy iptables .. don't paste it for us .. try to actually read it |
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| 12:07.53 | Crypticfortune | themill: ah ok, so hostbased authentication includes a bit where the host identifies itself (it says "Hi, I'm Crypticfortune@boxA" and signs with it's host key). the server checks its known hosts to see if that matches. but like abrotman says, instead of sending "boxA" it's sending "boxA@domain.com" |
| 12:08.17 | abrotman | boxA@ or boxA. ? |
| 12:08.42 | noborusa | abrotman, done :D it is ver. 1.4.1.1-4 now. Thanks. let me test it out. |
| 12:08.42 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: er sorry, right: boxA.domain.com |
| 12:08.57 | abrotman | themill: i still don't want to know .. right? |
| 12:09.15 | themill | abrotman: ask jelly |
| 12:09.49 | noborusa | haha working !!! |
| 12:10.16 | noborusa | It is working like a charm ,now warning ,nor that annoying invalid argument :D |
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| 12:10.43 | jelly | is mildly surprised |
| 12:10.49 | noborusa | Thank you jelly wols themill abrotman and anyone who has had helped me ,I am so sorry i asked too much :D |
| 12:11.08 | Crypticfortune | there's not really any added security by tacking on "domain.com" just breaks tradition from other things that use hosts.equiv (and I suspect the normal openssh) |
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| 12:11.20 | jelly | noborusa: send money to spi-inc.org, and beer to abrotman |
| 12:11.42 | noborusa | i do not think those tricks i can learn from a debian book that is why i have to visit here , great jobs ,thank you people. |
| 12:11.58 | noborusa | ;) |
| 12:13.10 | abrotman | yay free beer! |
| 12:13.30 | liable | where? |
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| 12:13.37 | liable | looks left .. right |
| 12:14.01 | themill | liable: at abrotman's place |
| 12:14.25 | liable | bah. he'll want me to bring sheep |
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| 12:15.00 | timgoh0 | liable: I think he takes inflatable ones. |
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| 12:24.09 | jelly | timgoh0: so can we assume you're coming, considering <timgoh0> abrotman: I spent the whole night playing with an inflatable doll. |
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| 12:25.08 | abrotman | i whwat? |
| 12:25.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:25.20 | timgoh0 | jelly: I'd be more than happy to assist in passing on what Dave2 has kindly instructed me. |
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| 12:25.40 | simonrvn | um |
| 12:25.45 | jelly | better to pass on than to pass out. No, wait |
| 12:25.54 | themill | ECHAN, guys |
| 12:26.02 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 12:26.02 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:37.16 | Crypticfortune | Ahh false alarm. I think my ssh problem is not debian specific. just me specific =( |
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| 12:37.35 | jelly | !spank Crypticfortune |
| 12:37.35 | dpkg | bends Crypticfortune over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 12:38.49 | timgoh0 | Kinky. |
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| 12:41.38 | mrxmike | !uname |
| 12:41.38 | dpkg | it has been said that uname is a cool way to "print system information" (man uname for more info), for basic use, try: uname -a |
| 12:41.51 | mrxmike | what is the cur kernel ver. of stable? |
| 12:42.09 | jelly | mrxmike: both 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 are available |
| 12:42.18 | mrxmike | and for testing? |
| 12:42.32 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:42.33 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6-686: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch) 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch-security) 2.6.26+15~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.6.26+16 (lenny) 2.6.26+16 (sid) |
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| 12:43.11 | jelly | mrxmike: looks like it's 2.6.26 |
| 12:43.17 | mrxmike | ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:45.31 | patrick-- | is there a way to have a dhcpd assign adresses of different subnets to different machines? |
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| 12:46.07 | mrxmike | i would like to run debian testing on a server without X |
| 12:46.17 | mrxmike | 64bit, what image should i get? |
| 12:46.23 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 12:46.29 | Crypticfortune | patrick--: sure, I don't see why not? |
| 12:46.36 | mrxmike | abrotman: sure, but what .iso file? |
| 12:46.41 | patrick-- | well, my config doesnt work. may i pm you? |
| 12:46.43 | abrotman | the daily netinst |
| 12:46.44 | patrick-- | :) |
| 12:46.50 | mrxmike | i see 3 cd's? > i guess i would only need one |
| 12:47.00 | Crypticfortune | patrick--: pastebin it |
| 12:47.10 | patrick-- | http://pastebin.com/m5793d2b3 |
| 12:47.21 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:47.41 | timgoh0 | patrick--: You want to reserve some of that for the machines. |
| 12:47.47 | patrick-- | http://pastebin.com/m33dee261 |
| 12:47.47 | themill | mrxmike: "testing" and "server" don't normally go together, btw |
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| 12:48.01 | timgoh0 | Ah. |
| 12:48.05 | abrotman | mrxmike: if this is an external server do *not* use testing |
| 12:48.08 | jelly | themill: but "lenny" and server might, if he's careful enough |
| 12:48.15 | patrick-- | timgoh0: host rescue3 is not assigned its address |
| 12:48.33 | patrick-- | the machine the dhcp runs on it on 80.190.168.0 |
| 12:48.35 | timgoh0 | patrick--: Perhaps create an alias interface for the physical interface connected to that segment? |
| 12:48.39 | mrxmike | abrotman: its not, but i need a newer 25+ kernel for that new system.. |
| 12:49.00 | enouf | bpo |
| 12:49.02 | mrxmike | private home use server |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | mrxmike: consider /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:49.44 | jelly | there are etch installation images with 2.6.25 |
| 12:49.48 | enouf | mrxmike: etch-backports has a .26 |
| 12:50.00 | abrotman | mrxmike: why 25+ ? |
| 12:50.03 | enouf | jelly: was mistaken earlier |
| 12:50.24 | jelly | enouf: sorry, I don't follow? |
| 12:50.26 | timgoh0 | patrick--: ifconfig eth0:0 212.112.255.2 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 12:50.55 | enouf | jelly: he asked about stable, you said .18 and .24 only - no biggy |
| 12:51.33 | jelly | enouf: ok |
| 12:51.43 | mrxmike | so after installing etch-stable, i can use the backports repos to install the .26 kernel? |
| 12:51.53 | enouf | yep |
| 12:52.12 | enouf | how about your read the debian refernence and installation guide ;-) |
| 12:52.20 | enouf | s/your/you |
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| 12:52.44 | enouf | reference* |
| 12:53.02 | jelly | mrxmike: yes; if the kernel in the installer is good enough for you to install the base system, you can go that route |
| 12:53.05 | mrxmike | i just decided that im going to use Debian, i didnt get that far yet |
| 12:53.18 | mrxmike | im using Linux for more then a decade, never touched Debian |
| 12:53.24 | mrxmike | so it might beocme time .............. |
| 12:53.26 | enouf | jelly: point - mrxmike if you need more than a .24 to boot .. |
| 12:53.37 | enouf | or install, i should say |
| 12:55.21 | Crypticfortune | patrick--: I don't have a spare network handy to actually try that config, but I don't see any particular problem with that config. what's going wrong? |
| 12:56.19 | timgoh0 | Crypticfortune: I'm guessing that dhcpd will not issue the lease because there's no interface on that network. |
| 12:56.20 | enouf | mrxmike: or, since it's an internal server, you could use lenny now as above |
| 12:56.25 | timgoh0 | And it's not a dhcp relay. |
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| 12:58.22 | Crypticfortune | timgoh0: i think dhcpd is fairly address agnostic. if you tell it to listen on an interface, it'll listen and respond on that interface regardless of whther or not it has an IP at all. That particular config won't actually assign addresses to anybody though because he's commented out the range line and there's no hosts to match or anything... |
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| 12:58.52 | abrotman | mrxmike: but why doyou need a 25+ kernel ? |
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| 13:00.28 | timgoh0 | Crypticfortune: ISC dhcpd3 appears to refuse to work properly if it doesn't have a range that the interface is in. |
| 13:00.38 | timgoh0 | Hang on, let me pull up a vm to verify this. |
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| 13:02.28 | mrxmike | abrotman: hardware problems with older kernels on new hardware |
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| 13:02.48 | abrotman | mrxmike: etch has a .24 .. and kmuto has an etch+.25 |
| 13:02.50 | mrxmike | what will be the name for 'testing'.. , after edgy? |
| 13:02.57 | abrotman | edge is not Debian |
| 13:03.01 | abrotman | edgy |
| 13:03.05 | mrxmike | i mean etchy |
| 13:03.08 | abrotman | lenny |
| 13:03.12 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 13:03.12 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 13:03.20 | mrxmike | :D |
| 13:03.23 | simonrvn | etch, not etchy |
| 13:03.26 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 13:03.26 | dpkg | hmm... wwsr is It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 13:03.29 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | that'll have to change for Squeeze |
| 13:03.44 | mrxmike | all those different distro's.. sorry it mixes up my mind |
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| 13:07.57 | Crypticfortune | for that matter, is there any word on name of testing after lenny? |
| 13:08.31 | Crypticfortune | Squeeze? |
| 13:09.23 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:10.16 | timgoh0 | Crypticfortune: Hmm, testing shows that with dhcp3-server, if I configure two networks with two ranges, only the range that the nic is on is leased. |
| 13:10.29 | simonrvn | !squeeze |
| 13:10.29 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 13:11.27 | sajes | What happens when they run out of Toy Story names? |
| 13:11.46 | liable | the world implodes |
| 13:11.50 | simonrvn | the universe implodes |
| 13:11.55 | timgoh0 | sajes: Adjective-animal. |
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| 13:12.28 | simonrvn | liable: heheh |
| 13:12.36 | liable | wonders wether the world or universe implodes first |
| 13:12.42 | liable | simonrvn: uncanny! :) |
| 13:12.51 | simonrvn | world, then universe |
| 13:13.08 | vadmeste | I don't know why all linux distro have strange behavior when harddisk is full.. |
| 13:13.28 | simonrvn | could be the other way too, since if the universe implodes, the world will too eventually |
| 13:13.28 | enouf | .. |
| 13:13.32 | Crypticfortune | timgoh0: funky. thanks though! |
| 13:13.40 | simonrvn | !lart vadmeste |
| 13:13.41 | dpkg | takes out a cattle prod and gives vadmeste a good jolt |
| 13:15.14 | vadmeste | aiiie.. |
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| 13:15.41 | vadmeste | i've lost my irc server list on xchat... |
| 13:15.51 | vadmeste | i have to reinstall it.. |
| 13:16.01 | bolt-work | kicks a cow |
| 13:17.18 | vadmeste | Hey.. I know it's offtopic.. but anyone does know a free hosting server (more than 1 go) that's easily mountable by linux ? |
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| 13:17.37 | js_ | can i enable ACLs on my root device without rebooting? |
| 13:17.38 | petemc | mountable free hosting? |
| 13:18.15 | jelly | vadmeste: sshfs or curlftpfs makes most hosting servers mountable! |
| 13:18.47 | enouf | noborusa: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
| 13:19.16 | vadmeste | jelly, I am just asking you if you know a specific free hosting website (for example, www.megaupload.com) |
| 13:19.21 | jelly | accepts absolutely no warranty for performance or usefulness of said FUSE filesystems |
| 13:19.27 | Crypticfortune | GmailFS is free and FUSE mountable... |
| 13:19.44 | jelly | vadmeste: oh, I missed the "free" part |
| 13:19.49 | noborusa | enouf, hey ,wb :D its working now, this connlimit works great |
| 13:19.56 | enouf | noborusa: basically /usr/share/doc/iptables/* (always check /usr/share/doc, and the man pages, "dpkg -L iptables") |
| 13:20.06 | noborusa | ok. |
| 13:20.54 | enouf | noborusa: fantabulous ;-) |
| 13:21.42 | enouf | noborusa: (that's not a real word, just slang for fantastic+fabulous :-p) |
| 13:22.17 | jelly | supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? |
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| 13:22.58 | simonrvn | and google will close your account if you use it that way |
| 13:22.59 | blast_hardcheese | lol @ google account |
| 13:23.22 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: one assumes you want your storage to be dependable, even if free |
| 13:23.37 | simonrvn | blast_hardcheese: moron |
| 13:24.14 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: Yes, keep talking and people will realize how easily you are trolled |
| 13:24.37 | Chrom_ | hi all. anybody has experience (install, mgmt) of GFS under Debian Etch? |
| 13:24.44 | simonrvn | blast_hardcheese: o_O |
| 13:24.48 | noborusa | enouf, :) |
| 13:25.06 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: getting yourself ignored by knowledgeable folks perhaps isn't a great idea, either |
| 13:25.23 | vadmeste | Chrom_, it will be better if you mention your problem.. |
| 13:25.29 | simonrvn | blast_hardcheese: keep talking and people will realize how much of a dumbass you are. *plonk* |
| 13:25.42 | blast_hardcheese | Honestly I was just commenting on the evolution of Google as a service and corporation |
| 13:25.49 | blast_hardcheese | Google used to be cool |
| 13:25.58 | fl0w | is it possible to check how much GB a full directory holds? |
| 13:26.15 | Chrom_ | vadmeste: no problem so far. I want to read experiences of people that already have deployments of GFS in a cluster setup under Debian. I'm considering to use GFS indeed. |
| 13:26.15 | jelly | fl0w: yes, man du |
| 13:26.20 | fl0w | thanks |
| 13:26.33 | Crypticfortune | fl0w: du -sh <directory> |
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| 13:28.23 | fl0w | Crypticfortune: thanks. I'll have to use D switch as well :) |
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| 13:28.29 | mrak | hello there |
| 13:28.44 | mrak | is it possible to goes ftps over squid ... what i need is send any data across proxy with ssl/tsl encrypted mayb i dont need ftp client -> squid ssl/tsl but squid to server i need it ... any ideas |
| 13:29.10 | blast_hardcheese | Has anyone used NixOS? It seems like an interesting concept |
| 13:29.59 | bolt-work | mrak: er. what? |
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| 13:30.46 | enouf | noborusa: debian-administration.org might also have some useful articles |
| 13:30.46 | fl0w | blast_hardcheese: agreed :) just googled |
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| 13:31.46 | mrak | bolt-work: ftps transfare across proxy (squid) how can i do it ? |
| 13:32.09 | blast_hardcheese | I'm thinking of throwing it on a laptop, I tried earlier at work while I was waiting for a server to install but the installer was non-trivial |
| 13:32.55 | vadmeste | ok.. somone knows a free ssh provider ? |
| 13:33.00 | noborusa | enouf, Thanks for the info, i am busy on testing this new feature, very nice :) |
| 13:33.44 | bolt-work | mrak: why not just use sftp or scp? |
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| 13:33.50 | noborusa | enouf, actually, the connectiong limitation from iptables which works way BETTER, way better than the one i ve ever used which is a moule of apache |
| 13:33.58 | Chrom_ | vadmeste: http://sdf.lonestar.org/ |
| 13:34.06 | noborusa | enouf, no need to do test with tool, i can feel it ,haha ,big difference |
| 13:34.11 | enouf | noborusa: heck, seek out gentoo-wiki.com :-P hrm, how about http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.5 |
| 13:34.54 | mrak | bolt-work: because on server side is ftp with ssl/tsl |
| 13:35.06 | Downer | hm, can anyone explain why i do not have the gnome "System->About me"-thingy? i've never before managed to isntall gnome without getting it... :\ |
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| 13:36.15 | Crypticfortune | mrak: looking at the docs for squid, it looks like squid is unaware of ftp+ssl, so I'm guessing, no? |
| 13:36.16 | bolt-work | mrak: set up squid to allow proxying ftp connections and get an ftp client that supports proxies |
| 13:36.38 | bolt-work | mrak: a quick search for "ftp squid" (without the quites) on google provides lots of insight in the matter |
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| 13:37.23 | mrak | it isnt problem use ftp across squid but ftp with ssl/tsl |
| 13:37.55 | bolt-work | mrak: you simply need an ftp client which supports it... install one |
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| 13:38.53 | mrak | ok |
| 13:38.55 | mrak | thx a lot |
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| 13:39.04 | bolt-work | ... |
| 13:39.06 | bolt-work | you're welcome |
| 13:39.36 | blast_hardcheese | What extra overhead is there from using ext3 instead of ext2? I've got a 500mhz machine, should it be beefy enough to handle it? |
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| 13:39.51 | noborusa | enouf, iptables is a charllenge |
| 13:39.51 | bolt-work | blast_hardcheese: shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:40.09 | blast_hardcheese | cool |
| 13:40.14 | noborusa | enouf, a charllenge along with deiban itself to me and many other stuff, the life wont be bored :D |
| 13:40.19 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: it worked well on a 700MHz machine back in 2001. |
| 13:40.22 | noborusa | debian* |
| 13:40.50 | blast_hardcheese | hopefully the extra 200 mhz won't cause too much of an impact |
| 13:40.53 | bolt-work | blast_hardcheese: and it does work well on my PII450@550, which still runs today |
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| 13:41.15 | blast_hardcheese | Cool |
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| 13:41.39 | kamyk | i have one question about inn2? how configure access in readears.conf file? |
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| 13:43.43 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: pII350 with 100FSB here, ext3 / FS |
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| 13:44.29 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Well, that makes me feel better about my decision :) |
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| 13:44.37 | blast_hardcheese | Time for breakfast! |
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| 13:45.44 | hf_linux | char* pstr= "mmlai"; |
| 13:45.44 | hf_linux | pstr[1]=pstr[2]; //segment fault.why? |
| 13:45.46 | enouf | one thing that you might think is ext3 vs ext2, but isn't, would be atime/noatime |
| 13:46.07 | hf_linux | help. why segment fault ? |
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| 13:46.39 | stew | hf_linux: ask ##c |
| 13:46.53 | SerajewelKS | hf_linux: because you assigned a string constant. that memory page may not be writeable. |
| 13:47.35 | hf_linux | oh.thanks .char pstr[]= "mmlai" should be ok |
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| 13:47.51 | lbruno | speaking of filesystems: i'm using JFS for a fileserver, for the usual SMB assorted .doc and .xls |
| 13:48.20 | lbruno | thoughts? there's so much noise about the FS subject on the net, and not much signal... |
| 13:48.44 | SerajewelKS | hf_linux: no, that line means exactly the same thing |
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| 13:48.59 | enouf | lbruno: "flux capacitors" cause that :-P |
| 13:49.01 | SerajewelKS | hf_linux: char pstr[6]; strcpy(pstr, "mmlai"); |
| 13:49.15 | wols_ | lbruno: except for corner cases, all bullshit |
| 13:49.37 | SerajewelKS | hf_linux: or: char pstr[6] = "mmlai"; which is probably more readable |
| 13:49.45 | lbruno | wols_: yeah, that's the impression I get as well |
| 13:49.55 | avu | I like being conservative about file systems. right now, I wouldn't use anything other than ext3. |
| 13:50.02 | petemc | aol |
| 13:50.09 | lbruno | enouf: dunno what a flux capacitor is, sorry; woosh on the reference |
| 13:50.15 | avu | well tested trumps 'may be faster in some cases' by far |
| 13:51.08 | lbruno | avu: I *know* that, but it's very easy to forget it sometimes |
| 13:51.12 | enouf | lbruno: well, apologies, i meant to mean 'state of flux', but i threw in capacitors from 'back tothe future' movies (think 1.21 JigaaWatts!) |
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| 13:51.36 | enouf | er, jigga :-p |
| 13:51.55 | lbruno | enouf: ah, understood it now; never saw it, though. |
| 13:52.08 | avu | go do that right now then. |
| 13:52.10 | avu | off you go. |
| 13:54.11 | enouf | Speaking of which, is anyone using either relatime or noatime mount options? What percentage of less thrashing/lag do you notice </me realizes a flame war may ensue> |
| 13:54.44 | lbruno | enouf: I was a bit afraid of flames myself |
| 13:55.13 | lbruno | I've been using noatime, on the odd, unverified notion that only mutt needs relatime |
| 13:55.21 | enouf | lbruno: i guess i'll be taking the hits for you ;-) |
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| 13:55.35 | DarkDrgn2k | !nvidia |
| 13:55.35 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:55.43 | DarkDrgn2k | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:55.43 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 13:55.53 | enouf | DarkDrgn2k: please msg the bot |
| 13:55.57 | simonrvn | !tell DarkDrgn2k -about msg the bot |
| 13:56.13 | simonrvn | effing bot spam |
| 13:56.26 | jelly | lbruno: mutt + Maildir/ + noatime made mutt think there was always new mail here, a while ago |
| 13:56.31 | DarkDrgn2k | bot spam?? 2 messages.. holy.. |
| 13:56.35 | DarkDrgn2k | some one is gouchy this morning |
| 13:56.40 | DarkDrgn2k | but non the lesss.. sorry |
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| 13:56.59 | jelly | DarkDrgn2k: if you already know what you're looking for, /msg |
| 13:57.00 | lbruno | jelly: true, I had forgot about the Maildir component |
| 13:57.03 | simonrvn | shuts up before he larts DarkDrgn2k |
| 13:57.13 | DarkDrgn2k | did appologise... |
| 13:57.35 | lbruno | finds it very strange to speak of himself in the 3rd person |
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| 13:57.54 | marcin | Hi, does anyone use p3scan? |
| 13:58.09 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 13:58.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:58.31 | DarkDrgn2k | ok how do i get my source.list file set to somethign normal.. |
| 13:58.45 | DarkDrgn2k | liek somethign that will actualy have nvidia-setting (i only have securty.debian...) |
| 13:59.21 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 14:00.02 | marcin | Uch, wrong question. I have strange error in daemon.log and I can't figure out what's wrong: p3scan[16807]: Attention: child with pid 16809 died with abnormal termsignal (11) have U had similar problem? |
| 14:00.09 | DarkDrgn2k | ok.. strange |
| 14:00.11 | DarkDrgn2k | i already have that :-S |
| 14:00.11 | DarkDrgn2k | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 14:01.07 | DarkDrgn2k | oops |
| 14:01.11 | DarkDrgn2k | forgot to run apt-get update |
| 14:01.13 | DarkDrgn2k | feels dumb |
| 14:01.23 | lbruno | nods towards DarkDrgn2k |
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| 14:01.34 | lbruno | happens everytime |
| 14:01.38 | DarkDrgn2k | LMAO |
| 14:01.53 | simonrvn | marcin: segfaulted. check the thing's log, if it has any. catchsegv p3scan might be useful to run in its usual run configuration. |
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| 14:01.59 | DarkDrgn2k | gues thats what happens when your up to 4am trying to get this fixed ten you get an phone call at 10am "my e-mail no work!" |
| 14:02.17 | lbruno | I went to #quagga to ask about looking glasses in RIPE, then I found out about this newfangled thing called google |
| 14:02.45 | lbruno | simonrvn: catchsegv? hum... lemme see, I might be in need of that |
| 14:03.00 | jelly | routes lbruno's google queries to the kitchen sink |
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| 14:03.42 | simonrvn | lg's are still nice ;) |
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| 14:04.32 | lbruno | simonrvn: hoy, I really need this, thanks! on a couple of machines, exim4, httpd, mencoder are crapping all over 0xfffffffffffffffa |
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| 14:04.51 | lbruno | jelly: yeah, routing being the problem |
| 14:05.33 | lbruno | finding out that replies to my traffic was being routed elsewhere was somewhat less than easy |
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| 14:05.58 | tuvwx | why doesn't .xsession get executed on login (with gdm, but not gnome) |
| 14:06.05 | jelly | some people let their buggy apps dump core |
| 14:06.12 | tuvwx | and how else can i specify startup programs on login |
| 14:06.33 | lbruno | tuvwc reminded me of why I popped in here in the first place |
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| 14:07.54 | tuvwx | lbruno, does the fact that you're still here imply you're still looking for an answer? |
| 14:07.58 | mrxmike | i just installed 'testing' on my home server here |
| 14:07.59 | lbruno | Xorg DCC isn't working: it "detects" an unsupported resolution. I've been looking in xorg.conf, but can't find howto tell it "use 1024x768" |
| 14:08.00 | DarkDrgn2k | cires a little |
| 14:08.01 | DarkDrgn2k | ok.. |
| 14:08.14 | DarkDrgn2k | if i try install xserver-xorg .... "libpci2 nvidia-glx" well be removed |
| 14:08.14 | mrxmike | but i see a 'call trace in my dmesg, i guess that something is crashing? |
| 14:08.21 | lbruno | tuvwx: it means I'm a slow typer |
| 14:08.23 | mrxmike | calltrace: warn_on_slowpath |
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| 14:12.53 | DarkDrgn2k | ok, can some one help me with this nvidia problem |
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| 14:13.32 | DarkDrgn2k | i installed the nvidia-kernel setting and glx.. but now im missing startx |
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| 14:14.14 | mrxmike | realtek 8169 doesnt work with 'testing'? :'( |
| 14:14.29 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: install xorg |
| 14:14.37 | DarkDrgn2k | but then it wants to remove glx... |
| 14:14.44 | DarkDrgn2k | "xserver-xorg" |
| 14:14.59 | DarkDrgn2k | The following packages will be REMOVED: libpci2 nvidia-glx |
| 14:15.10 | eheil | Hi everyone. having a slight problem with an upgrade from Etch to Sid on a freshly installed box. During X server config, seems that questions about you're monitor aren't asked at all. Looking at the generated /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, I ccan see taht their is no video card or monitor specified. The alst time I installed Debian was Sarge or Woody, so maybe things have changed. I'm using an Nvidia GeForce2 MX. |
| 14:15.14 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: install xorg and nvidia-glx |
| 14:15.35 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: and no, i don't mean the xserver-xorg package, i mean the xorg package |
| 14:15.35 | mrxmike | NET_DEV watchdog is ... jumping up and down while the realtek 8169 module is being loaded here |
| 14:15.46 | mrxmike | what is NET_DEV? > i also see a calltrace :( |
| 14:15.49 | DarkDrgn2k | xorg - same deal |
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| 14:15.54 | DarkDrgn2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.02 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: install xorg and nvidia-glx |
| 14:16.06 | lbruno | mrxmike: oh? I'm "glad" I'm not the only one seeing the same crap |
| 14:16.17 | DarkDrgn2k | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstabl.... |
| 14:16.23 | mrxmike | lbruno oreally |
| 14:16.25 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:16.29 | lbruno | mrxmike: I've had a RTL doing the same |
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| 14:16.44 | mrxmike | well.. i do have some other network cards |
| 14:16.55 | mrxmike | for the timebeating.. i might just disable the onboard |
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| 14:17.08 | eheil | I do ahve the xserver-xorg-video-nv package installed. |
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| 14:17.35 | lbruno | mrxmike: mine, however, isn't completely bonkers |
| 14:17.51 | mrxmike | what mobo? |
| 14:18.27 | mrxmike | i got a REALTEK RTL810E PCI express faster ethernet controller rev ff |
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| 14:18.35 | debianite | hi guys! I need to change my default spell cheking language in nano, any ideas? |
| 14:18.57 | DarkDrgn2k | http://paste.debian.net/18850/ |
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| 14:19.12 | lbruno | mrxmike: gigabyte. I'll need to check downstairs |
| 14:19.23 | Ace2016 | debianite: /etc/nanorc |
| 14:19.24 | eheil | debianite: Isn't that related to you're system's default dictionaries? |
| 14:19.53 | Ace2016 | i think nano uses an internal one, it has an option to use an external one |
| 14:20.02 | eheil | debianite: Isn't that related to you're system's default dictionaries? |
| 14:20.04 | eheil | oops. |
| 14:20.08 | debianite | I gess so, but how do i change it? |
| 14:20.30 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: you are trying to install the stable version of nvidia-glx, but you are running unstable, not stable |
| 14:20.32 | eheil | Debianite: Probably dpkg-reconfigure dictionaries-common. Not sure. hang on and I'll check. |
| 14:20.47 | Ace2016 | debianite: edit /etc/nanorc |
| 14:20.47 | jelly | DarkDrgn2k: you have both stable and unstable sources enabled. That's a bad idea. |
| 14:20.47 | debianite | yes i tried -s aspell but it didnt work |
| 14:20.48 | lbruno | mrxmike: damn, I'll need to really go downstairs and find the machine |
| 14:20.57 | lbruno | I'm ssh'ing to the wrong one |
| 14:21.09 | DarkDrgn2k | i needed unstable for splashy |
| 14:21.16 | DarkDrgn2k | but i dont need them anymore.. |
| 14:21.21 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: and i'm suggesting that you run "aptitude install xorg nvidia-glx" |
| 14:21.28 | jelly | DarkDrgn2k: you're now using unstable, there's no going back |
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| 14:21.34 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: you need unstable now becuase you are running unstable |
| 14:21.40 | jim_p | !debports |
| 14:21.40 | dpkg | i heard debports is a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 14:21.58 | jim_p | any more info about debports? |
| 14:22.05 | lbruno | funny how I have a sky2 module in one machine (actually Ubuntu) and the other one uses forcedeth (this one Debian). Both MAC addresses start with 00:50:8D |
| 14:22.15 | debianite | Ace2016: i have aspell and myspell installed and also spell |
| 14:22.45 | stew | lbruno: 00508D abit computer corporation |
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| 14:22.57 | eheil | After you install an X server video module package, how do you use it? and how do you configure the monitor, video card, etc. the X server uses? b/c if I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it never asks those questions. |
| 14:23.07 | lbruno | nods to stew |
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| 14:23.21 | stew | eheil: they are detected automatically at runtime |
| 14:23.23 | lbruno | stew: where can I find that? |
| 14:23.42 | stew | lbruno: i google for "mac address vendor" and it will get you several lookup tools where you can paste the first 3 octets |
| 14:23.47 | DarkDrgn2k | http://paste.debian.net/18853/ |
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| 14:24.23 | lbruno | thanks stew |
| 14:24.45 | eheil | stew: Ahh, we have a problem here. When I look at the xorg.conf file generated, it has nothing at all for the monitor or video card. I have a nvidia geforce2 mx card. So what we need to do is have it attempt autodetection again. |
| 14:25.17 | DarkDrgn2k | intersintg.. disablled unstable.. and it found a valid solution |
| 14:25.19 | DarkDrgn2k | go fiogure.. |
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| 14:26.23 | lbruno | speaking of Xorg resolution: I've added SubSection "Display" in Section "Screen" to say Modes "1024x768", but it still uses the aint-working higher-resolution |
| 14:26.51 | tuvwx | so is .xsession supposed to be executed on login or not? |
| 14:26.59 | jetscreamer | eheil: a sample: http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf |
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| 14:27.05 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 14:27.05 | dpkg | hwinfo is, like, your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 14:27.39 | sladi | tuvwx: if you use GDM I think it won't be used |
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| 14:27.41 | debianite | Ace2016: i found set speller "aspell -x -c" in /etc/nanorc, going to try that... |
| 14:27.54 | sladi | tuvwx: only when using startx |
| 14:28.00 | tuvwx | sladi, is there an alternative that works with gdm? |
| 14:28.01 | rideick | hey guys... whats going on? |
| 14:28.17 | stew | eheil: the autodetection happens when you start X, not when you configure X |
| 14:28.32 | Ace2016 | rideick: the usual, mainly troubleshooting with some attempts to go offtopic, mostly ending up in failure |
| 14:28.56 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: note that trying to mix stable and unstable is discouraged and not supported |
| 14:28.58 | sladi | tuvwx: ther is this gnomeconf tool which may add stuff to gnome's autostart (since gdm doesn't control this) |
| 14:29.19 | tuvwx | sladi, but i'm not using gnome, only gdm |
| 14:29.27 | sladi | tuvwx: I never used that because I switched to manual startx. |
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| 14:29.50 | rideick | ace2001ac: oh really... |
| 14:29.55 | tuvwx | gnome's startup is managable by gnome control center (menu: preferences -> session) |
| 14:29.58 | rcahilig | Hello, is there any issue if I use bandwidthd and ntop together for my bandwidth monitoring |
| 14:30.16 | sladi | tuvwx: yes but gdm doesn't do that AFAIK because it doesn't count as console login, which uses .xsession |
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| 14:31.29 | lbruno | nods to jetscreamer |
| 14:31.39 | sladi | tuvwx: IIRC all graphical login screens can'T use .xsession because of that? I hope I don't mix up stuff here. |
| 14:32.00 | lbruno | looks like DefaultDepth and Depth must be present |
| 14:32.06 | lbruno | thanks everyone |
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| 14:32.29 | sladi | tuvwx: I know I couldn't get xset to change the mouse speed with GDM and stopped there but it may be possible with gconf |
| 14:33.17 | shai | hi everyone :) I'm kinda stuck and need some help. I have a server with software raid (mdadm) md0 (/boot) md1 (swap) md2 (root) and one of the HDDs (the one that had grub installed on its MBR failed. I removed the faulty and placed a new one recovering all under knoppix. but now I need to PC to boot again and I'm not sure how to install grub back .. can you help? |
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| 14:34.20 | sonnie | hi there, is it possible to "transfer" from one display to another? |
| 14:34.31 | sonnie | maybe i should use "switch" |
| 14:34.31 | mrxmike | REALTEK - RTL 8101E PCI express faster ethernet controller rev ff |
| 14:34.36 | mrxmike | is broken in 'testing' |
| 14:34.47 | mrxmike | fyi developers ;) |
| 14:35.11 | stew | mrxmike: if you want to notify developers, file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 14:40.01 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:40.54 | jim_p | !debports |
| 14:40.54 | dpkg | debports is, like, a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 14:40.56 | anddam | where should be the correct place to perform a filesystem check before mounting a device at boot time? |
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| 14:42.24 | jelly | anddam: in addition to the fact it will be automatically checked if needed? |
| 14:42.49 | liable | anddam: touch /forcefsck ,, reboot |
| 14:43.57 | jelly | liable: for extra points, force fsck on just one device |
| 14:46.04 | anddam | jelly: it's not checked actually |
| 14:46.25 | anddam | I mean, automatically |
| 14:46.28 | DarkDrgn2k | hmm |
| 14:46.29 | DarkDrgn2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.12 | anddam | it's a hfsplus partition and after a forced reboot I can't write on it until I don't run a fsck and remount it |
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| 14:49.14 | stew | DarkDrgn2k: did you switch your sources back to testing or unstable or are they still pointing at stable? |
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| 14:50.47 | visik7 | is there a way to remap Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (not to disable, to remap) |
| 14:51.11 | anddam | visik7: in console? |
| 14:51.23 | anddam | visik7: inittab possibly |
| 14:51.35 | visik7 | mmm ? |
| 14:51.35 | visik7 | no |
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| 14:51.54 | jelly | anddam: that key combo is only meaningful for X, isn't it |
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| 14:51.57 | visik7 | it's Xorg specific not system wide |
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| 14:52.30 | anddam | oh, it is the one that kills X, isn't it? |
| 14:52.53 | jelly | yup |
| 14:53.09 | stew | visik7: what do you want to remap it to/ |
| 14:53.10 | lbruno | visik7: you can disable it, IIRC |
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| 14:53.19 | anddam | jelly: any comment? you told the fs should be checked automatically but it isn't actually |
| 14:53.22 | visik7 | stew: with another combination |
| 14:53.28 | stew | oh, hmm |
| 14:53.29 | visik7 | lbruno: I don't want to disable it I want to remap |
| 14:53.33 | stew | visik7: perhaps ask #xorg |
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| 14:53.45 | lbruno | visik7: true, i thought you wanted to remap it to some other function |
| 14:53.49 | jelly | anddam: I have no idea why it wouldn't be. Is there a /sbin/fsck.hfsplus present? |
| 14:54.02 | jelly | anddam: (or whatever the fs type used) |
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| 14:54.16 | roe_ | anyone have a good way to manage multiple terminal ssh sessions in gnome? |
| 14:54.26 | anddam | jelly: it is |
| 14:54.28 | h725 | hello, where can i find people that can assist building the bro IDS on debian lenny? |
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| 14:54.57 | mrxmike | can i use the mode=0x317 parameter with debian ? |
| 14:54.59 | anddam | liable: is /forcefsck deleted at boot time? |
| 14:55.01 | mrxmike | for vesafb |
| 14:55.16 | jelly | anddam: "it should work" ... no experience with that particular fs |
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| 14:55.32 | lbruno | thanks everyone |
| 14:55.33 | HeatherM | how to I disable the screensaver which make the screen black ? |
| 14:55.33 | jelly | anddam: /forcefsck gets deleted after the fsck is done, yes |
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| 14:55.49 | jelly | anddam: /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh for gory details |
| 14:55.58 | mrxmike | in what file can i change the runlevel? |
| 14:56.02 | stew | mrxmike: you mean the frambebuffer mode in text consoles? add vga=0x317 to the "#kopt=" line in menu.lst and run update-grub (/msg dpkg fbcon resolution) |
| 14:56.08 | stew | mrxmike: /etc/inittab |
| 14:56.16 | stew | mrxmike: (assuming you mean the default runlevel) |
| 14:56.27 | anddam | jelly: seems I don't have it |
| 14:56.29 | stew | HeatherM: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 14:56.41 | anddam | jelly: my bad |
| 14:56.47 | jelly | mrxmike: btw, why would you want to change the runlevel? The usual reason (starting/not starting x) doesn't apply to debian |
| 14:57.04 | mrxmike | jelly: i dont want to start X by default |
| 14:57.08 | jelly | !nodm |
| 14:57.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:57.18 | mrxmike | console only, im 'a hardcore you know ;) |
| 14:57.31 | stew | mrxmike: that isn't controlled by runlevel in debian unless you go out of your way to set the runlevels that way |
| 14:57.46 | HeatherM | nothing happens when I 'setterm -blank' ? |
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| 14:58.09 | stew | HeatherM: are you in a text console or in X ? |
| 14:58.16 | HeatherM | stew, there is not X |
| 14:58.22 | mrxmike | uhhh lol, jelly will i sitll be able to start X / gnome without those display managers? |
| 14:58.32 | anddam | is /etc/rc.local debian default? |
| 14:58.33 | jelly | mrxmike: using startx, yes |
| 14:58.41 | mrxmike | ok, thats nice |
| 14:58.50 | stew | HeatherM: when you say "nothing happens" do you mean that your screen is still blanked? or just that that command didn't yield any output? |
| 14:59.11 | HeatherM | stew, no output |
| 14:59.18 | stew | HeatherM: that's expected |
| 14:59.29 | stew | anddam: yes |
| 14:59.37 | HeatherM | stew, well the screen cannot be 'still blank' because I am pressing buttons |
| 14:59.43 | mrxmike | my kernel tells me that the chip of my rtl8139 is not compatible, and i should use the module rtl8139-too |
| 14:59.57 | mrxmike | my question, should i just blacklist r8139 then? |
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| 15:00.42 | h725 | compiling bro on lenny results in: ../src/builtin-func.y: In function âchar* concat(char*, char*)â: |
| 15:00.42 | h725 | ../src/builtin-func.y:78: error: âstrlenâ was not declared in this scope |
| 15:00.42 | h725 | why is that? (compiling in etch works just fine) |
| 15:01.02 | jelly | mrxmike: do you mean "8139cp" and "8139too"? |
| 15:02.12 | jelly | mrxmike: I thought debian tries modprobing one after the other, so a card gets to work regardless of that warning |
| 15:02.25 | mrxmike | yes ok, it does work |
| 15:02.35 | mrxmike | but i dont like to see my kernel starting with an error!! |
| 15:02.41 | Pulpie | hello im trying to install spring via from soure using cmake. on make it hits an error. let me pastebin it. |
| 15:02.48 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1223768 <i am not exactly sure what went wrong |
| 15:02.55 | mrxmike | so i just blacklist the cp one then i guess? |
| 15:03.01 | jelly | mrxmike: oh, !!, I see, well, blacklist it then :-) |
| 15:03.34 | mrxmike | :-) |
| 15:03.56 | mrxmike | jelly: thanks for getting me 'hooked-up' with debian |
| 15:04.21 | Pulpie | anyone have any ideas please? |
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| 15:05.41 | enouf | mrxmike: that might be loading from your initrd, if not no biggy, but if so, /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 15:06.24 | micols | how many dpi should i scan a handwritten A4 document in to print it as A4 ? |
| 15:06.36 | zeta | newb q: I just did apt-get install eterm, but when I try to run it using alt-f2, eterm, it can't find it |
| 15:06.43 | mrxmike | enouf: it does yes, its still loading although blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:07.10 | jelly | micols: whatever you like, just make sure it's printed with the same dpi? |
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| 15:08.11 | mrxmike | thanks enouf |
| 15:08.31 | jelly | Pulpie: you seem to be missing some header file required for building. Read their installation instructions. |
| 15:08.34 | Gm4n | why does aptitude list different dependencies than apt-get? |
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| 15:08.43 | mrxmike | jelly: i did what !nodm says ... > "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" |
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| 15:08.56 | mrxmike | but it still starts up with the graphical login |
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| 15:09.30 | mrxmike | maybe i forgot > "NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager," |
| 15:09.34 | stew | Gm4n: becuase it is also listing recommends |
| 15:09.36 | Pulpie | jelly: i have i did exactly what was at http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Build_from_source |
| 15:09.44 | Pulpie | jelly: for some reason it failed |
| 15:09.45 | stew | mrxmike: which dm is being run? |
| 15:09.49 | jelly | mrxmike: that would mean you didn't remove all the display-managers installed |
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| 15:10.00 | janez | Hi, I have problems with Xorg.conf, here is the Log error, http://pastebin.com/m5b448129 I have a chipset intel 965GM video integrated |
| 15:10.13 | mrxmike | jelly: i 'copied' the command .. by hand |
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| 15:10.17 | Gm4n | stew: I just don't see why x11-common is reccomended for dnsmasq... I don't want a GUI |
| 15:10.20 | mrxmike | and verrified if i typed it correct |
| 15:10.52 | stew | Gm4n: its not |
| 15:11.07 | jelly | Pulpie: dunno, use apt-file to find out which package contains the file /IL/il.h, and install it |
| 15:11.23 | stew | Gm4n: does running just "aptitude -f install" want to install stuff? |
| 15:11.26 | jelly | !tell Pulpie -about apt-file |
| 15:11.40 | Gm4n | stew: nope, it wants to remove stuff |
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| 15:11.43 | Cyorxamp | Like lsusb (for listing USB devices)... is there a way of listing IDE/SATA devices? |
| 15:11.48 | stew | Gm4n: perhaps you need to "forget pending actions" or whatever it is called from the actions menu in aptitude |
| 15:11.55 | jelly | Pulpie: it's not "some reason", read that output to figure out the reason |
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| 15:12.13 | Gm4n | stew: actions menu? this box has no desktop environment installed... |
| 15:12.33 | jelly | Pulpie: it tried to access IL/il.h and failed |
| 15:13.07 | voltage` | Gm4n I installed dnsmasq from command system and never got x-windows |
| 15:13.12 | enouf | Cyorxamp: dmesg is likely easiest for that |
| 15:13.12 | stew | Gm4n: yes, the actions meny in the aptitude frontend, which you can get to by typing "aptitude" by itself, or by hitting 'e' at the [yn] prompt when it presents you with what it wants to do |
| 15:13.12 | Pulpie | jelly: thanks i think that fixed it I must has missed a depen |
| 15:13.46 | h725 | did anyone in here successfully build the bro ids (current stable version 1.2.1) with debian lenny? (etch works out of the box, no go with lenny) |
| 15:14.10 | Gm4n | stew: voltage`: http://pastebin.ca/1223775 |
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| 15:15.44 | enouf | Cyorxamp: /msg dpkg what's my hardware , see some of those tools, but cat /proc/ide/*/* and cat /proc/scsi/* - systool might help as well as blkid |
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| 15:16.08 | voltage` | it's only 2 MB of stuff (6MB installed) It's not going to install X with 6 megs, it's probably just a display setting systems with X |
| 15:16.25 | voltage` | I wouldn't sweat it |
| 15:16.47 | Gm4n | alright. Mostly, I'm just confused... apt-get doesn't install all the other stuff |
| 15:16.52 | voltage` | plus dnsmasq works good for me on my system with no x-windows/kyb/monitor/floppy/cdrom |
| 15:16.56 | stew | Gm4n: yes, dbus depends on x11-common in etch |
| 15:17.21 | stew | Gm4n: so you might run "aptitude why dbus" or i'd still recommend trying to 'clear pending actions' |
| 15:17.39 | stew | err, its "Cancel pending actions" |
| 15:17.53 | Gm4n | I suppose that's why apt-get installs libdbus but not dbus itself... |
| 15:18.10 | stew | Gm4n: why is that? |
| 15:18.36 | Gm4n | because dbus has its own dependencies? (guessing) |
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| 15:19.20 | stew | Gm4n: i'm not sure I follow what you are saying, but I think you are expecting too much from apt-get |
| 15:19.30 | mrxmike | what is 'debian SID'? |
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| 15:19.46 | abrotman | mrxmike: not for you |
| 15:19.47 | Gm4n | alrighty. I've always used apt-get, and I'm trying to get in the habit of using aptitude |
| 15:19.48 | akio | unstable mrxmike |
| 15:20.01 | mrxmike | k -> so that equals testing |
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| 15:20.06 | akio | no |
| 15:20.19 | mrxmike | well.. i wont be able to use that, because what i read in my screen here is |
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| 15:20.36 | fietsbel | hej guys, have a question about dependencies |
| 15:20.39 | abrotman | mrxmike: no .. it does not equal testing .. etch is stable, lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 15:20.41 | fietsbel | I'm getting the following erro: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-glx: |
| 15:20.42 | fietsbel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.44 | mrxmike | 'BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [kacpid] |
| 15:20.44 | fietsbel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.48 | akio | stable > testing > unstable / etch > lenny > sid (unstable is always sid) |
| 15:20.51 | mrxmike | and that repeats 3 times |
| 15:20.58 | stew | fietsbel: read the description of the nvidia-glx package |
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| 15:21.15 | mrxmike | my debian kernel crashes :( |
| 15:21.23 | fietsbel | k stew, but isn't this a debian issue |
| 15:21.28 | fietsbel | since dpkg reports: ii nvidia-kernel-source 177.80-1 NVIDI |
| 15:21.32 | mrxmike | and i already know i fond be able to fix this myself :'( nooooooooo |
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| 15:21.50 | fietsbel | it says version 177.80 is not installed |
| 15:21.53 | fietsbel | while dpkg says it is |
| 15:21.59 | stew | fietsbel: i dont' know what you mean by "a debian issue", but the description of the nvidia-glx package explains what you need to do |
| 15:22.09 | enouf | ls -l /usr/src |
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| 15:22.41 | stew | fietsbel: you are confusing nvidia-kernel-177.80 and nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:24.16 | jelly | mrxmike: uname -r? |
| 15:24.51 | mrxmike | lenny2.6.26-1-adm64 |
| 15:24.56 | fietsbel | where can I find the description steew? |
| 15:24.59 | fietsbel | stew |
| 15:25.20 | stew | fietsbel: apt-cache show nvidia-glx |
| 15:25.21 | enouf | mrxmike: was it working prior? before you started messing with blacklisting and the initrd? |
| 15:25.28 | jelly | mrxmike: you can't copy/paste? :-) |
| 15:25.37 | debianite | hi, i set nano to use aspell in /etc/nanorc, but i'm geting this: Spell checking failed: Error invoking "aspell" |
| 15:25.42 | mrxmike | enouf:i only blacklisted 2 network modules |
| 15:25.49 | mrxmike | jelly: no ssh yet :( |
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| 15:26.13 | mrxmike | im getting sad now |
| 15:26.40 | jelly | mrxmike: might have to use some of those acpi-disabling boot parameters |
| 15:27.06 | mrxmike | jelly its a Intel D945GCLF board, with a Atom 230 processor |
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| 15:27.43 | jelly | fresh hardware usually uncovers bugs, either in hw or in linux |
| 15:27.56 | mrxmike | its on the market for a month or 6 already |
| 15:28.26 | guysoft42 | hey, it seems that xserver-xephyr sensualists both in lenny and sid. using a clean install, is there anything i can do abut it? |
| 15:28.39 | abrotman | it what? |
| 15:28.49 | zeta | any idea how to hide the menubar and scrollbar in eterm? |
| 15:28.50 | mrxmike | same shi* with ubuntu i see > http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1059543.html |
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| 15:28.58 | stew | guysoft42: what does "sensualists" mean? |
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| 15:29.03 | abrotman | zeta: it has options to do that .. |
| 15:29.07 | abrotman | zeta: man Eterm ? |
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| 15:29.17 | guysoft42 | stew, ah ops, segfaults* |
| 15:29.38 | guysoft42 | stew, i get a stack backtrace |
| 15:29.45 | stew | guysoft42: checked the bts? |
| 15:29.54 | jelly | mrxmike: if you're keen on fixing it, try the linux-acpi mailing list; you'll be expected to try patches and roll your own kernels |
| 15:30.11 | guysoft42 | stew, bts? |
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| 15:31.08 | stew | !bts |
| 15:31.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 15:32.10 | jelly | mrxmike: you could also file bugs for the debian kernel package, but I'm not sure that would be very producitve |
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| 15:33.11 | jelly | mrxmike: oh, one thing to do is try to update the BIOS |
| 15:33.31 | guysoft42 | looks |
| 15:33.42 | circuit_lt | hi guys |
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| 15:34.53 | voltage` | hey circuit_lt |
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| 15:35.21 | voltage` | hey circuit_lt |
| 15:35.32 | JensBru | hello |
| 15:35.39 | circuit_lt | sorry for offtopic, but I really needed some help from someone with good English knowledge (I'm from Lithuania). |
| 15:35.43 | voltage` | hey JensBru |
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| 15:36.08 | circuit_lt | I am doing this university graduating project and have to mane it in nice English language ;] |
| 15:36.27 | voltage` | Don't look at me I can't spell and this is debian help/discussion channel |
| 15:36.40 | circuit_lt | basically it is a prototype of a walking robot's leg's control system |
| 15:37.00 | circuit_lt | I think it should sound something like: |
| 15:37.01 | circuit_lt | A prototipe of the walking robotâs legâs control system |
| 15:37.14 | circuit_lt | sorry, my english is not very good ;] |
| 15:37.24 | circuit_lt | prototype* |
| 15:37.37 | guysoft42 | stew, carnt seem to find it, i guess ill have to report it |
| 15:37.44 | wols_ | circuit_lt: you are off topic. go to #english or similar |
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| 15:38.21 | guysoft42 | stew, is there a forum to post the bug, rather than e-mail? |
| 15:38.25 | circuit_lt | ok ;] |
| 15:38.25 | guysoft42 | form* |
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| 15:40.54 | liable | see the topic |
| 15:41.01 | liable | echan |
| 15:41.48 | stew | guysoft42: no |
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| 15:58.11 | zeta_ | any idea how i can change the window background into transparent under appearance & themes -> colors -> Widget Color -> window background |
| 15:58.16 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, what kind of data is in sendmail.st? |
| 15:58.27 | mick_laptop | `file sendmail.st` says "data" |
| 15:58.42 | mick_laptop | i'm trying to check my logs for bounced messages |
| 15:58.55 | mick_laptop | i'd like to read the contents of the messages that were bounced |
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| 16:02.00 | mick_laptop | basically there wasn't an account setup so my server bounced messages -- i'd like to know what emails didn't go through |
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| 16:02.59 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm installing debian 4.0 netinstall, and I'm once again running into the issue where dhclient won't always correctly grab an IP. I thought I'd ask again if anyone knows why. There will be 32 of these VM servers that I'm preparing, so it would really be nice if I could trust dhclient to work the first time every time. |
| 16:03.24 | cognitiaclaeves | * Not sure if it's 4.0... It's 4.x Etch... |
| 16:07.27 | debianite | got my aspell and nano solved... |
| 16:07.32 | debianite | you must specify the dictionary to use... |
| 16:07.36 | debianite | if the dictionary of your system locale is not installed it will quit... |
| 16:07.42 | debianite | thanks any way. |
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| 16:17.51 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm building an FTP server environment. There are quite a few choices for FTP servers. Is there some document that explains the differences between the packages? |
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| 16:18.54 | cognitiaclaeves | nvm. Got it. |
| 16:19.59 | cognitiaclaeves | In addition to the FTP server I choose, I plan to have sftp-server and ncftp-server installed but not turned on. How do I do that in such a way that security updates to the packages don't re-enable the inactive servers? |
| 16:20.29 | simonrvn | just chmod -x the init scripts |
| 16:21.00 | eOliva | where is the mkinitrd in my debian?? |
| 16:21.04 | simonrvn | sftp, well, chmod -x the sftp binary |
| 16:21.09 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 16:21.10 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 16:21.16 | eOliva | which package I must install to get mkinitrd? |
| 16:22.09 | cognitiaclaeves | simonrvn: The -x flag won't be fixed if the binary is updated? |
| 16:22.25 | simonrvn | no, you'll have to update that too |
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| 16:24.25 | h725 | anyone successfully compiled bro ids on lenny? |
| 16:25.01 | aadil | i dunno ur bro mate |
| 16:25.06 | aadil | :d |
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| 16:27.11 | fietsbel | how can I get more information about a module? |
| 16:27.14 | fietsbel | which is loaded in lsmod? |
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| 16:28.37 | h725 | bro-ids.org ... intrusion detection system |
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| 16:29.00 | aadil | ah ok |
| 16:29.02 | aadil | well not me |
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| 16:29.19 | rysiek | hi all |
| 16:29.29 | EagleScreen | where are stored the fonts in the system? |
| 16:29.36 | h725 | i was wondering because it compiles fine on etch and all the ubuntus we tried |
| 16:29.44 | rysiek | I can't seem to find any info on what modules do I need to have loaded if I want to use racoon to set-up an IPSec connection |
| 16:29.47 | rysiek | any pointers? |
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| 16:31.07 | pingouin | EagleScreen: /usr/share/fonts/ maybe ? |
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| 16:31.39 | pingouin | EagleScreen: and maybe /var/lib/defoma/ if you have defoma installed (i'm not sure it's default) |
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| 16:36.42 | aadil | rysiek, http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html |
| 16:36.55 | aadil | check the Installation section |
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| 16:37.39 | rysiek | aadil: thanks! |
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| 16:37.52 | aadil | no prob |
| 16:38.11 | omry | hi, is there a standard method to build a source package (obtained with apt-get source) with debug info turned on? (gcc -g) |
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| 16:40.45 | visik7 | omry: debug packages are created with normal ones |
| 16:41.42 | omry | visik7: yeah? what would be the debug package for libapache2-mod-wsgi ? |
| 16:41.51 | visik7 | -dbg |
| 16:42.02 | omry | does apt-cache filter those? |
| 16:42.17 | visik7 | mmm |
| 16:42.24 | visik7 | dunno maybe they aren't in the repo |
| 16:43.10 | omry | yes. I can't find it |
| 16:43.16 | omry | so, back to my question |
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| 16:43.47 | cognitiaclaeves | I want to reconfigure proftp through dpkg... is this possibe? |
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| 16:44.39 | aadil | yes |
| 16:45.28 | HockeyInJune | I'm looking for something lightweight I can run on my Debian Server, that would allow me to monitor, limit, and restrict bandwidth on a per user basis. I'll be using the machine as a server and a SSH tunnel (server node), and I want to limit total bandwidth used by tunnel clients. |
| 16:45.51 | HockeyInJune | Anything would be great, thanks. |
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| 16:47.22 | liable | abrotman: whats thechannel op scripts thing? |
| 16:47.37 | abrotman | liable: the autobleh ? |
| 16:47.57 | aadil | read autobelch |
| 16:48.00 | aadil | :3 |
| 16:48.05 | liable | abrotman: that might be it. where do you get that? |
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| 16:48.55 | stew | liable: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/irc/.irssi/scripts/auto_bleh.pl |
| 16:48.58 | abrotman | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/irc/.irssi/scripts/auto_bleh.pl |
| 16:48.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:49.13 | stew | bleh |
| 16:49.19 | liable | danke |
| 16:49.21 | HockeyInJune | Lol, three seconds. |
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| 16:50.21 | rahsputin | hi. i am looking for a Debian Dist to instal on a 16MB RAM machine, any ideas ? |
| 16:50.25 | liable | abrotman: and how the hell do i make it work? |
| 16:50.32 | abrotman | in irssi |
| 16:50.36 | elijahwright | rahsputin: slink? :) |
| 16:50.42 | liable | no shit sherlock |
| 16:50.43 | elijahwright | or potato? |
| 16:50.57 | stew | liable: start with /script load auto_bleh |
| 16:51.00 | abrotman | rahsputin: i think you'll need sarge |
| 16:51.04 | rahsputin | elijahwright you know where i can find the repos. ? |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | !tell rahsputin about archive |
| 16:51.25 | rahsputin | nice , thanx ;D |
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| 16:51.36 | liable | stew: ta |
| 16:52.56 | h725 | are there any gcc gurus here, i wonder if there is such a thing as standard includes that are used by gcc no matter if the h files are #include'd in the source |
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| 16:53.15 | wols | h725: no. and ask your C questions in ##c |
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| 16:53.50 | h725 | wols: well i was asking here because i wanted to know if the debian people did something to gcc that other distributors don't do |
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| 16:54.20 | wols | then formulate your question accordingly |
| 16:54.37 | jazotic | hello, how do i disable the zeroconf route, can't find anything in manpages or elsewhere... |
| 16:55.09 | h725 | wols: sorry to upset you ... was not intentional |
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| 16:55.33 | wols | jazotic: avahi loaded? |
| 16:55.37 | jazotic | no |
| 16:55.47 | wols | how else do you get zeroconf stuff?= |
| 16:56.12 | jazotic | i don't know. if i do dhcp or static - still the same hmm |
| 16:56.22 | jazotic | lenny |
| 16:56.38 | wols | then only standard zerocnf stuff is avahi |
| 16:57.13 | jazotic | as far as i know. however, avahi is installed, but daemon disabled. still the route. |
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| 16:59.20 | jazotic | redhat has some ZEROCONF=off but can't find similar in debian. there must be something to tunr it of. i'll go through the scripts.. :| |
| 16:59.31 | wols | uninstall avahi |
| 17:00.02 | jazotic | :) would be worth a try, but shouldn't be necessary |
| 17:01.59 | h725 | what would make a program that compiles fine on etch fail to compile on lenny with an error of: error: âstrlenâ was not declared in this scope (or is this a q for ##c, using the 4.1 gcc on both systems gives me the impression this has something to do with debian) |
| 17:02.53 | wols | no this is definitely a ##C question |
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| 17:03.15 | wols | and newer gcc's are usually more pedantic in what they accept |
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| 17:03.23 | dudeman | shallow |
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| 17:03.29 | ech0dish | whats command to force mount? |
| 17:03.35 | dudeman | -f |
| 17:03.36 | dudeman | ? |
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| 17:03.38 | h725 | wols: whats newer in lennys gcc 4.1. than etch's 4.1? |
| 17:03.40 | wols | ech0dish: why can't you normall mount |
| 17:03.48 | ech0dish | dirty shut down |
| 17:03.58 | dudeman | so you are trying to do what? |
| 17:04.13 | dudeman | if you are trying to force mount ntfs-3g after a dirty shutdown |
| 17:04.14 | dudeman | do NOT |
| 17:04.15 | ech0dish | mount windows hd on linux so i can access files |
| 17:04.17 | dudeman | if you value your data |
| 17:04.39 | ech0dish | i don't value it much |
| 17:04.44 | dudeman | I have been a victim of ntfs3g (and my dumb ass forcing a mount) caused me to lose tons of it |
| 17:04.46 | wols | h725: different versions |
| 17:04.52 | dudeman | randomly, at random places on the hd |
| 17:05.06 | jazotic | wols: indeed - avahi-autoipd caused it and was still installed - everthing fine.. :) |
| 17:05.12 | dudeman | you really should get yourself a windows boot disk with chkdsk or something on it |
| 17:05.13 | htmlol | what happened at the dirty shutdown? |
| 17:05.17 | cahoot | dudeman: even if mounted ro? |
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| 17:05.20 | ech0dish | hrm aight perhaps i'll just redo it |
| 17:05.21 | dudeman | do not mount this ntfs disk |
| 17:05.22 | dudeman | cahoot, ro is ok |
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| 17:05.32 | dudeman | cahoot, I specifically am speaking about ntfs3g |
| 17:05.36 | wols | cahoot: but with ro you don't use ntfs3-g |
| 17:05.37 | htmlol | if you're mounting it ro, you're not using ntfs3g |
| 17:05.44 | ech0dish | is there a html editor for linux? |
| 17:05.45 | h725 | wols: sure but how is that newer? |
| 17:05.50 | ech0dish | i don't want to use notepad |
| 17:05.50 | dudeman | ech0dish, plenty |
| 17:05.53 | cahoot | wols: I see - never touched the stuff |
| 17:05.55 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there is a fast way to install the newest automake (1.10.1) without removing the old one and changing my system |
| 17:06.02 | dudeman | ech0dish, Quanta (for kde), Bluefish (gtk2/gnome) |
| 17:06.06 | wols | h725: please stop whining at me if you can't use pdo. and go to ##C |
| 17:06.26 | ech0dish | cool thanks i'll look into bluefish |
| 17:06.27 | dudeman | ech0dish, then there is eclipse, emacs + modes, vim + modes, jed, gphp, kate, gedit |
| 17:06.34 | dudeman | ajunta |
| 17:06.42 | cahoot | wols: but plain ntfs would do? |
| 17:06.50 | wols | cahoot: sure. that's always ro |
| 17:06.51 | dudeman | cahoot, plain ntfs linux driver is fine |
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| 17:06.56 | wols | no use to ntfs-3g except for rw |
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| 17:07.27 | ech0dish | yeah i'm looking for something like dreamweaver |
| 17:07.30 | dudeman | but he mentioned force |
| 17:07.32 | abrotman | anjtua ? |
| 17:07.35 | abrotman | erm .. anjuta |
| 17:07.42 | dudeman | what did I say |
| 17:07.48 | abrotman | ajuntua or something |
| 17:07.51 | dudeman | ajunta |
| 17:08.05 | wols | anjutah |
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| 17:08.07 | abrotman | ajunta .. anjuta is the right name |
| 17:08.12 | dudeman | ahh |
| 17:08.16 | cognitiaclaeves | Trying to install proftpd on Etch and I'm getting: unable to determine IP address... seems to be related to getaddrinfo .. anyone know how to resolve this? |
| 17:08.25 | abrotman | there might be some WYSIWYG things for eclipse too |
| 17:08.28 | dudeman | abrotman, ajunta is a hindi word btw, means something really cool |
| 17:08.43 | dudeman | abrotman, yes there is an entire suite of web dev tools for it |
| 17:08.57 | dudeman | there was a site that had custom packages, though its not the latest eclipse |
| 17:09.09 | dudeman | but its all bundled together for easy isntallation |
| 17:09.18 | dudeman | (not the official bundles) |
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| 17:11.30 | noborusa | thansk for helping me ,gotta sleep,have a good debian-day, bye. |
| 17:11.36 | dudeman | bye |
| 17:11.48 | dudeman | I think I want fried chicken for lunch |
| 17:11.56 | dudeman | hmm, bye from me too |
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| 17:12.34 | aadil | did someone mention KFC?! |
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| 17:14.48 | Hydroxide | s/ajunta/anjuta/ perhaps? |
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| 17:15.01 | htmlol | what's the difference between the packages eclipse and eclipse-sdk ? |
| 17:15.19 | dudeman | Hydroxide, yes I had already been corrected |
| 17:15.31 | dudeman | htmlol, aptitude show |
| 17:15.32 | wols | eclipse-sdk is for when you want to write eclipse plugins |
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| 17:15.51 | dudeman | htmlol, you probably dont' want all the bs that coems with it for java people |
| 17:16.06 | Hydroxide | dudeman: ah. missed it. was reviewing the lastlog to see your response to my congratulations yesterday :) (will join #debian-offtopic now for any further discussion on that topic) |
| 17:16.09 | dudeman | htmlol, debian has a minimal package you can install, I think its called eclipse-platform |
| 17:16.20 | dudeman | Hydroxide, I prefer #debian-chat |
| 17:16.24 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:16.26 | Hydroxide | that'd work too |
| 17:16.27 | enouf | eOliva: you use mkinitramfs (install initramfs-tools), mkinitrd is kind of deprecarted |
| 17:16.29 | Hydroxide | or /msg, for that matter |
| 17:16.31 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:16.50 | htmlol | ah, I see |
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| 17:16.53 | htmlol | thank you. |
| 17:16.53 | dudeman | htmlol, you want eclipse-platform as a base, plus any other plugins you'd like to install |
| 17:17.00 | htmlol | yes |
| 17:17.01 | enouf | eOliva: or, if using a debian linux-image, which you should be, use update-initramfs |
| 17:17.04 | dudeman | (kinda like a clean debian base install + packages_ |
| 17:17.05 | dudeman | ) |
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| 17:17.30 | enouf | s/deprecated* |
| 17:17.32 | htmlol | and what's this GCJ stuff? |
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| 17:17.39 | abrotman | gjc? |
| 17:17.52 | ChrisW | *sigh*, I just accidentally rm'ed a 400Mb file I was about to run some test on... anyone know of a way to get it back? |
| 17:17.54 | abrotman | htmlol: learn how to use apt-cache search and apt-cache show |
| 17:18.03 | dudeman | ChrisW, which FS? |
| 17:18.08 | ChrisW | ext3 |
| 17:18.11 | dudeman | ChrisW, ouch |
| 17:18.24 | dudeman | ChrisW, not except raw recovery using header patterns for that file |
| 17:18.33 | ChrisW | ug |
| 17:18.36 | htmlol | nah, I know how to abrotman. I just thought they were the same; upon second look, they have a slightly different description |
| 17:18.44 | ChrisW | is there any fs that would have fared better for this? |
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| 17:18.49 | dudeman | ChrisW, ext2 |
| 17:18.59 | ChrisW | oh? how come? |
| 17:19.00 | dudeman | the journaling option kills undelete possibility |
| 17:19.12 | dudeman | try a non-journaled fs |
| 17:19.14 | dudeman | (I can't spell) |
| 17:20.17 | ChrisW | http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 17:22.09 | abuzor | Hi there |
| 17:22.39 | nite613 | ChrisW: A bit more concise: http://2byteconsulting.com/articles/ext3recovery.shtml |
| 17:22.50 | rocketmagnet | is there a default path for installing software that is not installable with apt-get ? |
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| 17:22.56 | abuzor | I have this problem when starting emacs : "Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct" and I can't find out a solution :) |
| 17:23.18 | enouf | rocketmagnet: /usr/local/ |
| 17:23.50 | abuzor | Tried some solution from google but nothing seems to work |
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| 17:24.17 | loca|host | anyone has an experience with HA ? especially Ultramonkey ? |
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| 17:24.34 | stew | loca|host: people do, just ask your real question |
| 17:24.57 | stew | loca|host: and perhaps you want #linux-ha |
| 17:25.24 | loca|host | i'm asking it's possible to get an architecture of 2 nodes only, and on each node i have the loadbalancer and my server (Apache) |
| 17:25.36 | dudeman | enouf, #debian-chat |
| 17:25.44 | dudeman | please |
| 17:26.07 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm getting this error when trying to start proftpd on Etch: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv4 getaddrinfo 'q2ftp' error: Name or service not known - warning unable to determine IP address of 'q2ftp' ... why? |
| 17:26.08 | abrotman | dudeman: you can use /invite |
| 17:26.11 | dudeman | oh |
| 17:26.14 | dudeman | word |
| 17:26.17 | abrotman | or maybe you don't .. |
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| 17:26.23 | stew | or /msg |
| 17:26.23 | enouf | abuzor: i don't know, but is $ xlsfonts | grep courier-medium any help? |
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| 17:26.36 | abrotman | stew: /msg .. my client doesn't support that! |
| 17:26.44 | stew | loca|host: yes, that is possible |
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| 17:28.49 | stew | loca|host: i think it is called 'active/active' on ultramonkey |
| 17:29.08 | loca|host | ok stew |
| 17:29.14 | loca|host | thank you man |
| 17:29.17 | loca|host | i'll look there |
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| 17:29.37 | stew | loca|host: its been a while since i've looked it at, but i'm pretty sure ultramonkey has such a configuration |
| 17:30.11 | oompa_loompa | can anyone help me figure out what is wrong why my debian box? |
| 17:30.22 | oompa_loompa | I have a debian box that I use a router |
| 17:30.38 | oompa_loompa | I can share internet, share one vpn connection to the network, everything works fine |
| 17:30.41 | oompa_loompa | on that end |
| 17:30.51 | oompa_loompa | at the same time it is also a vpn server |
| 17:30.58 | oompa_loompa | I can connect to it too with no problem |
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| 17:31.16 | oompa_loompa | my problem start when I try to reach my other vpn from the vpn's client |
| 17:31.58 | oompa_loompa | can anyone lend me a had with this? |
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| 17:34.27 | stew | oompa_loompa: vpnA's clients can talk to other clients of vpnA. vpnB's clients can talk to other clients of vpnB, but clients of vpnA can talk to clients of vpnB? |
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| 17:35.25 | oompa_loompa | stew: local net can talk to vpnA and the internet, vpnB can talk to localnet, but vpnB cant talk to vpnA |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | do vpnA/B have the same subnet ? |
| 17:37.19 | oompa_loompa | abrotman: No they are not |
| 17:37.42 | stew | oompa_loompa: if vpnA and vpnB are supposed to be able to communicate with eachother freely, why are they separat VPNs? |
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| 17:38.11 | rysiek | gtg |
| 17:38.11 | rysiek | cu all |
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| 17:38.53 | Spec | When I do "netstat -anp", and I see a port that's bound to an IP, but there's no PID associated with it, what does that imply? The kernel's binding that that port? |
| 17:39.14 | stew | Spec: that can be the case. are you running it as root? |
| 17:39.19 | Spec | netstat, yes. |
| 17:39.24 | oompa_loompa | stew: because vpnA is an IPSec VPN on some other point of the world, and vpnB is my current connection to the office (that is connected to vpnA) |
| 17:39.24 | stew | Spec: is it 2049? |
| 17:39.31 | Spec | the port? it's 32771 |
| 17:39.57 | Spec | looks like rcp.statd is using 32773....related? |
| 17:40.07 | Spec | rpc* |
| 17:40.26 | stew | Spec: see if it is listed by "rpcinfo -p localhost" |
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| 17:40.38 | stew | and I guess 'localhost' is optional there |
| 17:40.39 | Spec | hey, cool. |
| 17:40.46 | oompa_loompa | stew: would looking at my iptables rules help you figure out what is wrong? |
| 17:40.46 | Spec | stew: thanks, never knew about that command. |
| 17:41.00 | Spec | stew: it is indeed listed, part of nlockmgr |
| 17:41.09 | stew | oompa_loompa: so you are trying to get a client of two different VPNs to route traffic from one to the other? |
| 17:41.39 | wols | oompa_loompa: ip-forwarding enabled? |
| 17:41.44 | oompa_loompa | Im trying to get my client from VpnB to be able to talk to vpnB |
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| 17:42.06 | oompa_loompa | wols: it is as I am using this box as a router |
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| 17:42.25 | wols | have the client VPNs the proper route? |
| 17:42.32 | oompa_loompa | wols: my guess is that Im missing some iptables rules that would allow me to do that |
| 17:42.44 | stew | i can't follow this |
| 17:42.55 | oompa_loompa | wols: it does, I am able to reach my whole local network from my client |
| 17:43.00 | wols | oompa_loompa: there are no iptables rules needed for making a debian box a switch |
| 17:43.19 | wols | oompa_loompa: it's not the local network you need a good route ro |
| 17:43.20 | stew | oompa_loompa: show us the output of "ip a ; ip r" and give us real examples, like "i'm on machine A with ip address 1.2.3.4 and i try "ping 2.3.4.5" and i get...; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:43.25 | oompa_loompa | wols: don't I need any rule in FORWARD to do this? |
| 17:43.34 | wols | oompa_loompa: no |
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| 17:44.29 | oompa_loompa | wols: hmmm... ok, cause I had a similar issue when trying to get my local net to talk to vpnA and was solved by adding a rule on FORWARD that explicitly allowed this |
| 17:44.36 | oompa_loompa | stew: sure |
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| 17:45.10 | wols | oompa_loompa: only if your block stuff via iptables which I don't see why |
| 17:45.16 | stew | oompa_loompa: was the default policy of FORWARD previously set to DROP or REJECT or ACCEPT |
| 17:45.19 | stew | ? |
| 17:45.22 | oompa_loompa | stew: this are my rules http://rafb.net/p/9kbBIn63.html |
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| 17:45.35 | oompa_loompa | stew: FORWARD is ACCEPT |
| 17:46.27 | oompa_loompa | stew: these are my connections http://rafb.net/p/QSwkki47.html |
| 17:46.35 | abuzor | enouf: I got several lines like "-cronyx-courier-medium-o-normal--0-0-100-100-m-0-koi8-r", I installed cronyx font package but still the same |
| 17:46.45 | stew | oompa_loompa: if you default to ACCEPT, i don't know why you would need to add additional rules that do the same thing |
| 17:47.32 | oompa_loompa | stew: ok then what could be the problem? |
| 17:47.50 | stew | oompa_loompa: i don't know. tell me exactly what the problem is |
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| 17:48.09 | stew | oompa_loompa: you are running what command from what machine using what ip address and get what error? |
| 17:48.13 | oompa_loompa | stew: ok I connect to the vpnB (debian box) from another machine |
| 17:48.17 | antiPoP | hello, I have a dns issue |
| 17:48.20 | stew | oompa_loompa: what is vpnB? |
| 17:48.30 | oompa_loompa | stew: I get ip address 10.1.1.6 from openvpn |
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| 17:48.40 | oompa_loompa | stew: vpnB is my debian box |
| 17:49.07 | oompa_loompa | stew: my debian box has a persistent connection to vpnA (an IPSec VPN) |
| 17:49.29 | oompa_loompa | stew: so my computer connected to vpnB gets ip address 10.1.1.6 |
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| 17:50.23 | oompa_loompa | stew: and can ping 10.0.0.0/24 which is my local net 192.168.1.0/24 which is the wan on the debian box but cant ping 192.168.30.0/24 which is the persisntent IPSEC connection |
| 17:50.31 | antiPoP | I have a server wich has a subdomanin like a.b.c |
| 17:51.01 | antiPoP | doing host a.b.c |
| 17:51.06 | antiPoP | i get the server ip |
| 17:51.12 | antiPoP | but doing host a |
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| 17:51.17 | antiPoP | i get the b.c server ip |
| 17:51.29 | antiPoP | notice thatb.c and a.b.c are different servers |
| 17:51.38 | antiPoP | how can I fix it? |
| 17:51.58 | antiPoP | so doing host a.b.c i get teh same ip tahn host a? |
| 17:51.59 | go_beep_yourself | how can i temporarily mount something that will give all users read permissions? |
| 17:52.09 | oompa_loompa | stew: even my local net can ping 10.1.1.0/24 and 192.168.30.0/24 |
| 17:52.17 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:52.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:52.20 | cognitiaclaeves | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.22 | stew | oompa_loompa: does it work in the other direction? |
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| 17:54.49 | oompa_loompa | stew: how? |
| 17:55.05 | stew | oompa_loompa: what do you mean by "how"? |
| 17:55.26 | stew | oompa_loompa: you are telling me that ping doesn't work in one direction. does it work in the other direction? |
| 17:55.50 | stew | go_beep_yourself: what type of filesystem are you mounting? |
| 17:55.51 | oompa_loompa | stew: you asked me if it works on the other direction, I just don't get what you mean by that, my english is limited sorry |
| 17:56.00 | go_beep_yourself | stew-> ntfs and ext3 |
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| 17:56.24 | stew | go_beep_yourself: for ntfs, "/msg dpkg ntfsro". for ext3, you cannot |
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| 17:57.35 | stew | oompa_loompa: if you run ping 10.1.1.6 from some machine on 192.168.30.0/24, does it succeed? |
| 17:57.39 | rocketmagnet | i need the current automake tools, but they are not available at the moment with apt-get, is there some debian guide how to install ? |
| 17:57.52 | rocketmagnet | without hurting my current system |
| 17:58.24 | stew | oompa_loompa: does 10.1.1.6 have a route to 192.168.30.0/24 in its routing table? or is 10.1.1.1 its default gateway? |
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| 17:58.26 | oompa_loompa | stew: I would not know as I do not have credentials to those machines |
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| 17:59.38 | stew | rocketmagnet: what do you mean by current automake tools, there should be many possible automake options. "apt-cache search -n automake" should list several |
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| 17:59.48 | oompa_loompa | stew: no it doesn't it only does to debian box itself, I believe that the debian box has to do the forwarding since its the one connected to the IPSEC vpn right? |
| 18:00.00 | rocketmagnet | stew: i need 1.10.1 but have only 1.10 |
| 18:00.09 | stew | oompa_loompa: show me the routing table from 10.1.1.6 |
| 18:00.31 | oompa_loompa | stew: if I had a route it wouldn't make a any difference as that machine is not connected to that network, the debian box is |
| 18:00.37 | logd | hi i've tryed to mount a disk either with uuid and label but it returns error it's ntfs and system hasn't been rebooted since i used ntfslabel to set its label should i? |
| 18:00.43 | rocketmagnet | stew: mine is not listed |
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| 18:02.16 | stew | oompa_loompa: it does make a difference. the 10.1.1.6 machine still needs to know how to route packets to 192.168.30.0/24 |
| 18:02.41 | stew | rocketmagnet: whta version of debian are you running? |
| 18:03.29 | stew | judd: versions automake |
| 18:03.30 | judd | stew: automake: 1:1.10+nogfdl-1 (etch) 1:1.10.1-3 (sid) |
| 18:03.34 | rocketmagnet | etch |
| 18:03.40 | rocketmagnet | 2.6.24 |
| 18:03.48 | stew | rocketmagnet: you chould try backporting it from sid: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:03.52 | oompa_loompa | stew: how can I get this route added automatically to all clients then? |
| 18:04.05 | rocketmagnet | stew: can't i just install it on my own ? |
| 18:04.07 | oompa_loompa | stew: because I dont think openvpn does this |
| 18:04.15 | rocketmagnet | so i have just another automake installation |
| 18:04.19 | stew | rocketmagnet: no, since only 1.10 is available for etch |
| 18:04.29 | stew | rocketmagnet: unless you mean without using debian pacakges |
| 18:04.35 | rocketmagnet | yes |
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| 18:05.43 | stew | oompa_loompa: there is a 'push' directive |
| 18:05.45 | rocketmagnet | the automake install worked well, but for libtools i hope it does not hurt my system |
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| 18:06.07 | rocketmagnet | that's my main concern |
| 18:06.13 | stew | rocketmagnet: if you stick to debian packages, you'd be less likely to hurt your system |
| 18:07.02 | oompa_loompa | stew: these are the client routes http://rafb.net/p/YbTpXk57.html |
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| 18:07.03 | abrotman | lenny has no automake metapackage? |
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| 18:07.27 | rocketmagnet | i think i'll "just" install linux from scratch :) |
| 18:07.31 | stew | abrotman: no, i think i've pooched judd a bit, i'm doing a reimport now |
| 18:07.57 | abrotman | blames stew |
| 18:08.08 | kristian__ | Hi - could anyone possibly help me resolve a boot freeze problem? |
| 18:08.22 | oompa_loompa | stew: how can I use push in this case to save me? |
| 18:08.23 | abrotman | supposes it's better that stew didn't poach judd |
| 18:08.25 | stew | wtf |
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| 18:08.40 | stew | 10/24 10.1.1.5 UGSc 2 20 tun0 |
| 18:08.43 | stew | what is 10/24? |
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| 18:09.01 | stew | oompa_loompa: how did you generaate that routing table/ |
| 18:09.11 | stew | i mean, what command gave you that output? |
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| 18:09.39 | AKX | Heya. How can I find out what files an installed package owns? |
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| 18:10.06 | oompa_loompa | stew: the client is a mac so it still a bit weird to me on the shell, the only way I could get it was through netstat -r as route doesnt seem to work the same there |
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| 18:10.26 | Nifty | hi |
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| 18:10.44 | Nifty | i've got a problem with intel x3100 graphics |
| 18:10.45 | stew | oompa_loompa: that has the default gateway listed as "home", so when that machine pings 192.168.30.0/24 its going to send packets to whatever "home" is |
| 18:10.50 | Nifty | anyone can help me? |
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| 18:11.10 | h06 | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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| 18:11.45 | stew | h06: again, try #defocus |
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| 18:11.52 | abuzor | I cant install "xfonts-cyrillic", each time it get rid of "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" then put me a warning because of that |
| 18:12.25 | xst | I bought a server with a XEON E5405 processor. Which debian image should I download and install? |
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| 18:12.53 | oompa_loompa | stew: I have it on my routing table now, I changed openvpn to push it |
| 18:13.06 | zamba | xst: that depends on what you're going to use it for |
| 18:13.15 | oompa_loompa | stew: but I still can't ping the freaking servers on that vpn |
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| 18:13.28 | xst | zamba: A web/database/mail server |
| 18:13.37 | zamba | xst: if this is a machine with mission critical stuff in an production environment, going for anything else than stable will probably leave you without a job in no time |
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| 18:13.44 | Nifty | i got a problem with intel x3100 graphics , can anyone help me? |
| 18:13.59 | zamba | xst: then go for etch |
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| 18:14.33 | zamba | especially if it's something you're going to rely on working all the time |
| 18:14.36 | xst | zamba: Yes, I know, but which iso? i386 or ia64? |
| 18:14.50 | jelly-home | xst: i386 or amd64, you mean |
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| 18:14.59 | zamba | it should be able to run amd64 |
| 18:15.23 | xst | It is an intel processor |
| 18:15.35 | jelly-home | !amd64 |
| 18:15.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 18:15.40 | zamba | intel has a page with all their processors, where you can look up this information |
| 18:15.44 | kristian__ | Could anyone help me? I can't even get to the login prompt - the boot process appears to hang right after error message about broken ethernet driver. Single user mode also hangs after displaying load message for CD driver. |
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| 18:16.46 | jelly-home | xst: both amd64 and i386 can be used on that machine; what is it going to be used for? |
| 18:16.59 | oompa_loompa | stew: these are the client routes now http://rafb.net/p/bA9k3d38.html |
| 18:17.01 | xst | jelly-home: A web/database/mail server |
| 18:17.41 | stew | oompa_loompa: what machine is 10.1.1.5 ? |
| 18:17.51 | jelly-home | xst: how much RAM? Which db? Is the db going to use more than 4GiB memory? |
| 18:18.04 | s_o | Hi ! |
| 18:18.29 | s_o | I'd like to configure a DHCP server |
| 18:18.35 | xst | jelly-home: 6 gb RAM, postgresql as DB - and I don't think the DB itself will use 4 GB |
| 18:18.52 | xst | jelly-home: But it is not clear yet |
| 18:18.55 | s_o | but it doesn't send DHCPOFFERS event |
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| 18:19.15 | jelly-home | xst: amd64 is supposed to be a bit faster; in practice there's no big difference unless specific workloads are run |
| 18:19.32 | oompa_loompa | stew: I have no freaking clue because ifconfig on tun0 on that machine shows ip address 10.1.1.6 --> 10.1.1.5 netmask .... |
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| 18:19.51 | xst | jelly-home: OK. And both will utilize the 64bit architecture and see all 6 gb RAM? |
| 18:19.54 | s_o | But if I send a request from my server to my server (dhclient eth0) it offers himself the connection |
| 18:20.23 | stew | oompa_loompa: ok, then I'd recommend using tcpdump on the router to see if the packet comes in, and if it does, if it goes back out on the other tun interface, and if there is ever a reply |
| 18:20.45 | oompa_loompa | stew: yeah that's what Ive been trying, let me try it again |
| 18:20.50 | jelly-home | xst: each i386 app will be able to access "only" 4GiB. |
| 18:21.24 | jelly-home | xst: i386 is 32bit userspace; amd64 is all 64bit |
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| 18:21.33 | oompa_loompa | stew: guess what I can now see my packets on tun0 before I couldnt |
| 18:21.47 | s_o | How do I make the server DHCP send DHCPOFFERS to another client (connected to eth0) ? |
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| 18:21.56 | xst | jelly-home: OK, then I'll clearly go for amd64. Even though it is not an amd processor... :-) |
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| 18:22.03 | xst | jelly-home: Are they both stable? |
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| 18:22.51 | jelly-home | xst: for a server, yeah, pretty much |
| 18:23.01 | s_o | Has someone ever configured a DHCP server here ? |
| 18:23.05 | oompa_loompa | stew: hmmm.. only saw them but after stoping tcpdump and run it it again it stoped but at leas I saw them this time, that should be some advance |
| 18:23.10 | xst | jelly-home. Great. Thanks a lot! |
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| 18:24.29 | s_o | Nobody knows how to correct my problem ? |
| 18:25.26 | s_o | hello |
| 18:25.33 | jelly-home | s_o: the client is supposed to broadcast a DHCP_REQUEST |
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| 18:26.33 | s_o | It does |
| 18:27.06 | s_o | I use dhclient on linux |
| 18:27.33 | s_o | But I think my server ignore my client |
| 18:27.36 | s_o | why ? |
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| 18:28.01 | s_o | Is there an iptables stuff to configure ? |
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| 18:28.34 | abrotman | not by default |
| 18:28.52 | jelly-home | s_o: which dhcpd are you using? can we see the configuration? have you checked the logs? |
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| 18:29.10 | s_o | I use dhcp3-server on lenny |
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| 18:29.23 | s_o | the logs are in the syslog ? |
| 18:29.47 | s_o | I can send you my config |
| 18:30.10 | oompa_loompa | stew: so any idea what I can try now? I just tried a couple of rules with no success |
| 18:30.52 | stew | so it comes in on tun0 but doesn't go out on tun1? |
| 18:30.52 | s_o | I send my dhcpd.conf: |
| 18:30.52 | s_o | irc.oftc.net |
| 18:31.06 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:31.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:31.07 | s_o | oops |
| 18:31.20 | jelly-home | s_o: use a pastebin |
| 18:31.29 | s_o | ok |
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| 18:32.03 | Supercazzora | hi |
| 18:32.04 | jelly-home | oompa_loompa: jeez, you're still fixing that router? ;-) |
| 18:32.20 | Supercazzora | please I got a laptop with mcp67 chipset and I'd like to know how to use bluetooth... |
| 18:32.24 | Supercazzora | tx |
| 18:32.54 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: Im almost done, I can now connect to my IPSEC VPN from the localnet I can connect to the box from outside with openvpn, I can ping my localnet from openvpn |
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| 18:33.37 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I just need to be able to reach the IPSEC vpn from openvpn clients, I can now see packets when I ping in tcpdump I couldn't see those before |
| 18:33.47 | jelly-home | where's that iptables picture... |
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| 18:34.25 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/RoI6kA22.html |
| 18:35.31 | fietsbel | anyone here who can help me setup a dvb-c card? |
| 18:35.40 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: my guess is that I am missing something in FORWARD, I tried a couple of things that didnt work so I removed those rules |
| 18:35.44 | stew | oompa_loompa: do you really need 5 different masquerading rules? |
| 18:35.48 | s_o | there if my dhcpd config: http://paste.debian.net/18879/ |
| 18:35.58 | stew | oompa_loompa: you are already accepting everything in FORWARD |
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| 18:36.53 | oompa_loompa | stew: it just makes sure all are there, I could live with only the first and last I think |
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| 18:38.09 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 18:38.26 | oompa_loompa | stew: I just fixed it I believe |
| 18:38.36 | oompa_loompa | jelly-home: I think I fixed it |
| 18:38.41 | s_o | Agiofws: hello |
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| 18:39.39 | s_o | jelly-home: do you see a mistake in my conf ? |
| 18:39.40 | adnc | my researches didn't give any results. does anyone know of a open source solution to one time password generations library? |
| 18:40.04 | simonrvn | um, you mean opie ? ;) |
| 18:40.11 | adnc | simonrvn: opie? |
| 18:40.33 | logd | hi i've tryed to mount a disk either with uuid and label but it returns error it's ntfs and system hasn't been rebooted since i used ntfslabel to set its label should i? |
| 18:40.46 | adnc | evtl. with generating the tokens independently of a computer. like electronic devices, or mobile phones etc. |
| 18:41.03 | simonrvn | onlyone i know of anyway... that does OTP |
| 18:41.10 | simonrvn | only one* |
| 18:41.20 | adnc | simonrvn: ohh i see, opie is an old project if i remember right. |
| 18:41.35 | adnc | thats not updated well |
| 18:41.46 | simonrvn | no, doesn't seem very active |
| 18:41.51 | s_o | logd:what is the error returned |
| 18:41.58 | adnc | simonrvn: is there an alternative you may know? |
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| 18:42.17 | simonrvn | there's probably another one i don't know about. heh :) |
| 18:42.26 | adnc | ;) |
| 18:42.31 | simonrvn | LOLs |
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| 18:44.32 | s_o | Who has already configure a DHCP server ?? |
| 18:44.43 | s_o | configured* |
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| 18:45.34 | linkslice | i added an alias but when I issued networking restart it forgot what it's default gateway is |
| 18:45.46 | paxcoder | why is there no #gnome ? |
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| 18:45.58 | abrotman | irc.gnome.org |
| 18:46.05 | paxcoder | because i have a dumb search thingy |
| 18:46.07 | paxcoder | k |
| 18:46.12 | linkslice | the only difference between this config and another etch box is the line auto eth0 above the eth0 section, might this hav something to do with it? |
| 18:46.29 | linkslice | the box that forgot it's gateway doesn't have that |
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| 18:47.06 | s_o | linkslice: Have you already configured a dhcp server, you ? |
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| 18:47.44 | linkslice | s_o it's static |
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| 18:48.56 | s_o | I asked because I would like to configure a dhcp server but it doesn't work... |
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| 18:49.09 | antiPoP | i forgot , wich was the comnand that shows the system logs? |
| 18:49.31 | ezguy | is cp -al or cp -aL for arch copy using hard link? |
| 18:49.37 | s_o | antiPoP: less /var/log/syslog ? |
| 18:49.48 | s_o | dmesg ? |
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| 18:50.03 | tuxcrafter | i am looking for a way to do remote support when the client system is behind a nat and firewall, does somebody know a good solution? like ssh port forwarding or some other tricks? |
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| 18:52.31 | varney | hi can anyone tell me what the path to apxs is on Debian, i can't find it |
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| 18:54.48 | dryrot | i dont know, but is apxs in the package apache2? try dpkg -L apache2 | grep apxs . there is a cooler way with the package tools, i forget what it is right now |
| 18:55.33 | a-slack | wajig whichpkg <file> |
| 18:55.39 | dryrot | there you go |
| 18:55.45 | tuxcrafter | clear |
| 18:55.49 | varney | i got nothing |
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| 18:56.46 | e1z0 | http://l4m3rz.com:8000/ |
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| 18:57.32 | varney | maybe it's not installed with apache2 |
| 18:58.03 | varney | do i have to install the development packages or something? |
| 18:58.35 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: have the machine that is behind the firewall, ssh to a public machine using the -R flag, then ssh to that same machine, and use the reverse tunnel to connect |
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| 18:59.04 | stew | varney: yes, they would be in -dev packages, "/msg dpkg apt-file" |
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| 19:01.02 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: thanks i was hoping that was possible |
| 19:01.02 | l337ingDisorder | hey folks.. just installed xscreensaver on a fresh etch system and when I pull up the screensaver config in kde the list is empty... |
| 19:01.10 | l337ingDisorder | can anyone tell me how to fix that? |
| 19:01.26 | l337ingDisorder | tried chmod 777 /usr/lib/xscreensaver and chmod 777 /usr/lib/xscreensaver/* |
| 19:01.31 | tuxcrafter | n3kl:do you have some webpage with exact command examples? |
| 19:01.40 | l337ingDisorder | but still no screensavers in the list, only "Blank screen" and "Random" |
| 19:02.36 | stew | l337ingDisorder: you never want to use 777 |
| 19:03.02 | l337ingDisorder | hmm ok I just thought that made the screensavers world read/writeabl |
| 19:03.17 | jelly-home | l337ingDisorder: why did you think that would fix it? |
| 19:03.23 | l337ingDisorder | i also tried chown (user) /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ |
| 19:03.40 | l337ingDisorder | well my thought is that maybe the 'kiosk' user doesn't have access to the /usr/lib/xscreensaver dir |
| 19:03.44 | stew | l337ingDisorder: yes, it makes the screensavers world writable, which makes a bug security hole |
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| 19:03.51 | jelly-home | l337ingDisorder: everyone does |
| 19:03.54 | varney | i installed apache2-threaded-dev and still i don't see apxs |
| 19:04.02 | l337ingDisorder | so should I chmod 666 it then? |
| 19:04.28 | stew | l337ingDisorder: no, 666 is still world writable |
| 19:04.30 | l337ingDisorder | and what do I have to do to get the screesavers to show up in the list in the config window? |
| 19:04.43 | stew | varney: did you use apt-file? apache2-threaded-dev: /usr/bin/apxs2 |
| 19:04.56 | l337ingDisorder | stew: hmm what should I chmod it to get it back how it was? |
| 19:04.57 | varney | ah i see it - it's in /usr/bin |
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| 19:06.05 | antiPoP | s_o dmseg, thanks |
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| 19:07.16 | stew | l337ingDisorder: what was it before? |
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| 19:07.42 | stew | l337ingDisorder: you could reinstall the packages containing those files |
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| 19:08.44 | jelly-home | l337ingDisorder: which window manager/display environment are you using? does "xscreensaver-command -prefs" list the savers? |
| 19:08.45 | hellues | !paste |
| 19:08.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:09.18 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18880/ |
| 19:09.23 | hellues | how can i fix that |
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| 19:09.33 | l337ingDisorder | stew: thanks, did that |
| 19:09.44 | l337ingDisorder | jelly-home: that gave me this output: xscreensaver-demo: 05:09:00: Gtk-warning: cannot open display: |
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| 19:09.49 | hellues | i took this error after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:10.20 | l337ingDisorder | jelly-home: i have kde running for the configuration but the machine is going to be used as a firefox-only kiosk (ie, /home/kiosk/.xinitrc calls exec firefox so there's just X and firefox) |
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| 19:10.37 | l337ingDisorder | kde will be removed after I get xscreensaver configured |
| 19:10.41 | hellues | and when i do nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:10.49 | stew | l337ingDisorder: are you running xscreensaver-demo as the user logged in to x? |
| 19:10.49 | hellues | i cannot set keyboard layout |
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| 19:11.07 | jelly-home | l337ingDisorder: I assumed you'd run the command as the user running X, inside that session |
| 19:11.21 | kragil | Hello! How do I make the ftp-masters install swfdec0.8 in Sid? It is sitting on ftp-master for over a month now ;( .. |
| 19:11.30 | l337ingDisorder | not using that, I'm using settings -> appearance & themes -> screensaver |
| 19:11.38 | stew | kragil: you can't |
| 19:12.01 | kragil | stew: Thank you. Can anybody? |
| 19:12.09 | hellues | hey help me |
| 19:12.09 | stew | kragil: no |
| 19:12.15 | hellues | debian make me insane |
| 19:12.30 | dryrot | it's crazeeee! |
| 19:12.35 | jelly-home | l337ingDisorder: so kde. are kscreensaver, kscreensaver-xsavers installed? |
| 19:12.40 | l337ingDisorder | nice.. just tried running xscreensaver-demo and it's fully populated |
| 19:12.42 | psychonate | My wireless driver (acx) is spewing "unknown EID" messages all over my console... |
| 19:13.00 | kragil | stew: But why is it taking so long? |
| 19:13.05 | psychonate | anyway not to log these? |
| 19:13.08 | l337ingDisorder | i guess I should have assumed kde would call on kscreensaver even if xscreensaver was installed |
| 19:13.13 | l337ingDisorder | awesome thanks for the help! |
| 19:13.35 | stew | kragil: becuase all of that stuff needs to be painstakingly checked by hand, and there are only a few people that can do it |
| 19:13.56 | hellues | hey |
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| 19:14.14 | kragil | stew: OK, thank you .. can I somehow help? |
| 19:14.15 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18880/ |
| 19:14.49 | hellues | when i took this error after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:15.04 | Supercazzora | please, I need help with bluetooth and atheros ar242x chipset on lenny... Tx |
| 19:15.05 | hellues | when i do nvidia-xconfig i cannot set keyboard layout |
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| 19:15.41 | dotplex | hi! i chmoded a directory that apache accesses to 750 and chowned it to root:newgroup. i added www-data to newgroup and if i su www-data, i can access the directory. but apache can't and i don't know why... |
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| 19:15.54 | stew | kragil: you could look at packages in the NEW queue and if you see any obvious reasons they should be rejected |
| 19:16.38 | stew | kragil: but since you get such a limited view of the package, its not easy for you to do |
| 19:17.19 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: sorry, late response |
| 19:17.32 | hellues | anbody help me pls |
| 19:17.41 | jelly-home | dotplex: have you restarted apache? |
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| 19:18.22 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+reverse+tunnel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 19:19.03 | dotplex | such a simple solution, too simple that i would have thougt about ;) thanks |
| 19:19.31 | hellues | i dont understand debian |
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| 19:20.08 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 19:20.44 | uzbek | if i choose opengl option of supertux game, it becomes very slow. should i install any libs? |
| 19:20.44 | hellues | anybody help me |
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| 19:21.01 | n3kl | hellues: aks your nooobist questions! |
| 19:21.02 | JyZyXEL | can i make sudo to not ask password for a certain thingy? |
| 19:21.14 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: yeah, read the manpage, its like :NOPASSWD |
| 19:21.16 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes, with the NOPASSWD option |
| 19:21.26 | JyZyXEL | %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lpt that seems to not work |
| 19:21.30 | JyZyXEL | also not produce error |
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| 19:22.01 | n3kl | %sudo ALL=/usr/bin/lpt :NOPASSWD |
| 19:22.11 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/18880/when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i took this error |
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| 19:22.27 | hellues | when i do nvodoa-xconfig i cannot set keyboard layout |
| 19:22.41 | Krooks | is there a command line program to check the temperature of my CPU ? |
| 19:22.50 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: there are several ways to do it |
| 19:23.02 | stew | Krooks: try "acpi -V" |
| 19:23.11 | Krooks | thanks |
| 19:23.16 | JyZyXEL | n3kl you get syntax error with that |
| 19:23.31 | n3kl | Krooks: pr cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 19:23.46 | stew | both would require the "thermal" kernel module to be loaded |
| 19:23.48 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: read the docs |
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| 19:24.16 | JyZyXEL | yea well judging from the file i've already tried that |
| 19:24.25 | JyZyXEL | its full of shit that never worked |
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| 19:24.30 | |Novanet| | hi all... why DNAT in iptables not work? |
| 19:24.31 | |Novanet| | debian etch 4.0 r3 |
| 19:24.50 | n3kl | |Novanet|: cause you're in teh wrong channel |
| 19:25.09 | n3kl | |Novanet|: or, more specifically, cause you are doing it wrong |
| 19:25.09 | JyZyXEL | ill just go murder everyone |
| 19:25.10 | stew | |Novanet|: can you be more specific? |
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| 19:25.19 | stew | JyZyXEL: are you in the sudo group? |
| 19:25.19 | |Novanet| | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 15.45.23.67 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:80 |
| 19:25.23 | |Novanet| | NOT WORK |
| 19:25.27 | |Novanet| | all polices allow |
| 19:25.34 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: why don't you google? |
| 19:26.02 | stew | |Novanet|: how are you testing it? what makes you say it dosen't work? |
| 19:26.11 | |Novanet| | i have a server |
| 19:26.14 | stew | me too |
| 19:26.18 | |Novanet| | ant test it now |
| 19:26.55 | n3kl | |Novanet|: are you sending your trffic to the ip of 15.45.23.67 |
| 19:26.56 | |Novanet| | i must do masquerade for dnat? |
| 19:27.05 | stew | |Novanet|: no |
| 19:27.14 | |Novanet| | it is no my server ip, it is only sample |
| 19:27.28 | |Novanet| | in real script ip is other) |
| 19:27.50 | stew | |Novanet|: can you show us your script, and tell us how you are testing it, and what makes you say it isn't working? |
| 19:27.50 | n3kl | You are missing the point of my quesion. |
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| 19:28.17 | hellues | i ask my question 4 times. |
| 19:28.36 | |Novanet| | n3kl: oh sorry, i cat telnet 15.45.23.67 80, but cant get response |
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| 19:28.54 | |Novanet| | 192.168.1.1 is aviable from server |
| 19:29.07 | |Novanet| | ipv4forward enabled |
| 19:29.08 | n3kl | hellues: I have seen you make a statement, what is your question |
| 19:29.11 | stew | |Novanet|: what do you mean by "cant get response"? |
| 19:29.24 | |Novanet| | stew: "timed out" |
| 19:29.52 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: i think i found some info how to create the ssh tunnels (with admin client, user client, and server) setup |
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| 19:29.56 | n3kl | |Novanet|: you will also need a forward rule to match that rule |
| 19:30.09 | |Novanet| | n3kl: forward policy is allow |
| 19:30.11 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: explain |
| 19:30.13 | stew | |Novanet|: show us the output of "/sbin/iptables ; /sbin/route -n" on the router |
| 19:30.16 | stew | |Novanet|: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:30.21 | stew | err |
| 19:30.31 | stew | |Novanet|: show us the output of "/sbin/ifconfig ; /sbin/route -n" on the router |
| 19:30.32 | n3kl | |Novanet|: paste your script and or iptables-save |
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| 19:30.45 | |Novanet| | n3kl: ok) |
| 19:30.47 | |Novanet| | one sec |
| 19:30.57 | n3kl | |Novanet|: and what stew said |
| 19:31.12 | lord_rob | Hi! I had mp3 encoding support in kaffeine and mp3/cue burning in k3b. Now with several sid upgrades that doesn't seem to work any longer. Is it intentional to disable mp3 support ? If so, how do I enable it again ? |
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| 19:31.50 | n3kl | lord_rob: not that this is a solution to your problem, but I like kaudiocreator to rip cds |
| 19:32.09 | neonlightning | n3kl, prefer rubyripper here |
| 19:32.19 | n3kl | they all do the same thing |
| 19:32.25 | neonlightning | yep all frontends |
| 19:32.32 | n3kl | I just prefer to not use k3b is what it comes down to |
| 19:33.07 | neonlightning | lord_rob, i seem to recall that mp3 burning in k3b on some distros needs k3b-mp3 or gstreamer's plugins |
| 19:33.14 | lord_rob | n3kl: in this case I have a mp3 with a cuesheet and I want to burn an audio cd |
| 19:33.27 | neonlightning | and i personally hate kaffeine |
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| 19:33.38 | n3kl | neonlightning: what do you use instead? |
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| 19:34.03 | neonlightning | mp3 encoding i use lame |
| 19:34.22 | n3kl | neonlightning: no, I mean to play videos? |
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| 19:34.25 | neonlightning | mplayer |
| 19:34.35 | n3kl | didn';t know kaffeine did mp3 encoding |
| 19:34.53 | n3kl | bugs me when programs try to do the "be-all" for everything |
| 19:34.54 | neonlightning | n3kl, i think they mean mp3 like at3 files |
| 19:35.17 | neonlightning | that would be mp3 decoding on audio streams |
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| 19:36.10 | neonlightning | n3kl, but for burning i've been finding myself liking brasero |
| 19:36.45 | |Novanet| | n3kl: http://paste.org.ru/?x4ibwk |
| 19:36.51 | n3kl | neonlightning: meh, I don't use anything that has gnome deps |
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| 19:37.16 | fietsbel | I'm getting quite desperate...is there anyone here who can help me |
| 19:37.27 | fietsbel | I have xorg installed...and I wanna test out mplayer |
| 19:37.39 | neonlightning | n3kl, i prefer gnome over kde but i haven't found a good linux alternative to deepburner |
| 19:37.43 | lord_rob | neonlightning: k3b-mp3 wasn't the solution but there's a package called libk3b3-extracodecs that wasn't installed on my system. Thanks for giving me inspriation :) |
| 19:37.53 | moodog | evening all |
| 19:37.55 | neonlightning | n3kl, but i'm a fluxbox fan |
| 19:38.07 | neonlightning | lord_rob, meh it was basically just from my experience testing many many distros |
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| 19:38.51 | n3kl | fietsbel: you have yet to ask a question |
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| 19:39.36 | fietsbel | ok |
| 19:39.47 | fietsbel | I want to be able to run mplayer.... |
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| 19:39.55 | fietsbel | how can I run this in x ? |
| 19:40.13 | stew | fietsbel: type "mplayer" in a terminal |
| 19:40.15 | n3kl | fietsbel: install x, then type startx |
| 19:41.10 | fietsbel | I have x installed |
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| 19:41.20 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: the admin system needs to be able to connect to the users system to create an ssh and/or vnc session |
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| 19:41.23 | tuxcrafter | the admin and user system have both ssh login acces to an dedicated server that allows incomming ssh connections on port 22 |
| 19:41.26 | tuxcrafter | the admin and client systems are both behind diffrent secure servers and do not have a public ip |
| 19:41.29 | tuxcrafter | what ssh exact commands should i use from the users systems, and what from the admins systems? |
| 19:41.35 | fietsbel | I have xorg installed n3kl |
| 19:42.02 | stew | fietsbel: "man mplayer" should tell you how to start mplayer, which will use X by default if it is avaiable. there are also graphical frontends to mplayer such as gmplayer if you prefer |
| 19:42.06 | n3kl | fietsbel: so start it, I don't understand your prblem |
| 19:42.19 | n3kl | who had the iptables problem? |
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| 19:42.24 | fietsbel | me neither n3kl .. |
| 19:42.33 | fietsbel | when I try to start mplayer from console |
| 19:42.37 | fietsbel | it says it can't connect to x |
| 19:42.51 | n3kl | fietsbel: because you don't have x started. Type startx |
| 19:42.59 | stew | fietsbel: start it from x, not console, or set the DISPLAY evironment variable |
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| 19:43.12 | fietsbel | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 19:43.27 | fietsbel | n3kl how can I start it from x |
| 19:43.30 | fietsbel | I don't have any windows there |
| 19:43.33 | fietsbel | just a grey background |
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| 19:43.48 | n3kl | where is the factiod for this one? |
| 19:43.57 | fietsbel | which happens to look awfully messed up also |
| 19:43.59 | stew | fietsbel: are you not running a window manager? if you are not, is there a reason you aren't? |
| 19:44.08 | stew | fietsbel: messed up in what way? |
| 19:44.13 | fietsbel | yes there is stew...I made this box for mythtv |
| 19:44.14 | n3kl | !install kde |
| 19:44.14 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 19:44.17 | fietsbel | so don't need a windows manager |
| 19:44.32 | fietsbel | but I tried running mplayer via .xinitrc...but thta doesn't seem to like it |
| 19:44.41 | n3kl | omg, so stop bitching |
| 19:44.47 | fietsbel | ? |
| 19:44.52 | fietsbel | did I deserve that reaction/ |
| 19:45.10 | stew | fietsbel: from a console you could run "DISPLAY=:0 mplayer [mplayer options]" so that it knows which x server you want it to use |
| 19:45.25 | fietsbel | k |
| 19:45.27 | stew | fietsbel: though runnign a window manager make starting things in X much easier. |
| 19:45.32 | n3kl | ok, maybe not. But if you want to run mplayer from x, then startx, then type startex on one of hte consoles |
| 19:45.51 | stew | n3kl: that's precicely what he said he is already doing |
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| 19:45.54 | n3kl | fietsbel: first you say, "there are no windows" then you say "I don't need a window manager" |
| 19:46.32 | stew | (assuming that startex was a typo) |
| 19:46.39 | n3kl | stew: to my knowlege, when you startx, there are a few terminals already on the x window, he should be able to start mplayer from there |
| 19:46.42 | fietsbel | that worked stew |
| 19:47.01 | stew | n3kl: why would there be a few terminals already on the x window? |
| 19:47.24 | n3kl | stew: just the way it is |
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| 19:47.40 | |Novanet| | n3kl: |
| 19:47.41 | |Novanet| | How can I access the Web server on the internet via the computer in the LAN, if the computer is not a default gateway to the Web server |
| 19:47.43 | stew | n3kl: oh, this is news to me, and doesn't seem to be the situation for him, either |
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| 19:48.34 | |Novanet| | fuck... google translate... |
| 19:48.57 | stew | fietsbel: i use ratpoison as a window manager for mythtv. its minimal, it doesn't decorate the windows in any way (not even drawing a frame around them), but will still make it where you can start other applications or switch between full screen applications easily |
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| 19:49.21 | |Novanet| | How can I access the Web server in the Internet through a computer in the LAN, if the computer is not a default gateway to the Web server. |
| 19:49.28 | n3kl | stew: every time I have ever started X without a wm installed, I get the X window, with a few basic terminals you can launch commands from. Have you never sen this? |
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| 19:50.36 | guysoft42 | hey all, i seem to get a segfault when running Xephyr from libc, what can i do about it? |
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| 19:50.45 | n3kl | file a bug |
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| 19:51.24 | stew | n3kl: correct, i have not seen that. and when I test now with no .xinitrc i do not get a few basic terminals, i get an empty root window |
| 19:52.03 | n3kl | wtf, I am not imagining this |
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| 19:54.22 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: yea thanks for that info as you told me before, but I dont exaclty know how to create a ssh -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport tunnen ald then do a ssh -f -N -L 5901:localhost:5901 connection, i just have never done that kind of setup before some real working examples would help me greatly, i also have some problems keeping my eyes open so i am kind of sleepy |
| 19:55.17 | n3kl | stew: how are you launching X? |
| 19:55.24 | stew | n3kl: startx -- :1 |
| 19:55.38 | n3kl | what package is startx in? |
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| 19:55.51 | stew | n3kl: xinit |
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| 19:56.19 | n3kl | maybe its changed with lenny or something. I could be wrong |
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| 19:56.50 | trylobytero | which debian etch iso image should I download to install on a notebook pc with an intel t2370 processor? |
| 19:56.54 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: yea thanks for that info as you told me before, but I dont exaclty know how to create a ssh -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport tunnen ald then do a ssh -f -N -L 5901:localhost:5901 connection, i just have never done that kind of setup before some real working examples would help me greatly, i also have some problems keeping my eyes open so i am kind of sleepy |
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| 19:59.31 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: do ssh -R 5901:localhost:22 publichost.com |
| 20:00.05 | n3kl | tuxcrafter: that is from the machine behind the nat, then you will also log into publichost.com and then ssh -p 5901 localhost |
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| 20:00.57 | n3kl | stew: I was wrong. I don't know what changed, perhaps it was a default xinitrc or something I had seen, and not actually startx itself. My appologies |
| 20:01.44 | stew | n3kl: i have no idea. no reason to apologize |
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| 20:02.31 | asarch | What is the name of the bot? |
| 20:02.47 | asarch | ...to ask about how can I install flash plugin |
| 20:03.00 | adama_ | dpkg |
| 20:03.07 | asarch | Thank you |
| 20:04.35 | trylobytero | should I use amd64 or i386 instead |
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| 20:05.00 | n3kl | trylobytero: how much ram do you have? |
| 20:05.10 | trylobytero | 2GB |
| 20:05.14 | jelly-home | trylobytero: server or desktop? |
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| 20:05.26 | trylobytero | desktop |
| 20:05.28 | jelly-home | trylobytero: i386 |
| 20:05.31 | n3kl | i386, I would |
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| 20:06.14 | n3kl | |Novanet|: I still don't understand what you are trying to do |
| 20:06.24 | duxbarak | is there a projected release date for lenny? i couldn't find one on debian.org |
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| 20:06.48 | trylobytero | fine, I thought amd64 would be ok, because of the em64t compatibility, so I'm getting kernel panic at the installation |
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| 20:07.52 | tuxcrafter | n3kl: thank you for your help, i cant get it to work on this moment, but i saved all you comments and i will look in to it when i have some renewd energy :-p |
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| 20:08.22 | tuxcrafter | wishes everybody a good night/day |
| 20:08.24 | xst | How large swap partition should I create for a server with 6 gb ram? |
| 20:09.36 | jelly-home | xst: what is it going to run? |
| 20:09.56 | jelly-home | wouldn't waste more than 2GB |
| 20:09.58 | fietsbel | how can I blacklits a module? |
| 20:10.33 | stew | fietsbel: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:10.39 | xst | jelly-home: A web/database/mail server |
| 20:10.42 | jelly-home | xst: unless an app explicitely requires more (oracle wanted 1.5 times RAM last time I looked) |
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| 20:12.30 | xst | jelly: So you would create a 9 gb swap partition? |
| 20:12.36 | xst | That is a lot |
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| 20:13.31 | jelly-home | xst: how did you conclude that? |
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| 20:13.53 | fairway | hi |
| 20:13.58 | xst | jelly-home: 1.5 times RAM = 1.5 * 6 gb = 9 gb |
| 20:14.04 | fairway | is it hard to setup debian with Real-time extension? |
| 20:14.19 | jelly-home | xst: I said I wouldn't use more than 2GB unless an app explicitely wanted more. Are you going to install oracle? |
| 20:14.38 | Eulex | fairway, I believe you need to patch and recompile your kernel to do that. |
| 20:15.08 | xst | jelly-home: nope. Aren't there any rules of thumb for the swap partition size? |
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| 20:15.37 | jelly-home | My rule is "don't go over 2GB" |
| 20:15.38 | trumpen | I read some time ago that the kernel doesn't like swap partitions that are greater than 2GB |
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| 20:15.59 | jelly-home | trumpen: that was a _long_ time ago, I think |
| 20:16.02 | Eulex | jelly-home, "unless you want to hibernate the system and it has 2gb ram or more" |
| 20:16.39 | jelly-home | Eulex: ... and it uses 2GB RAM for code |
| 20:17.16 | jelly-home | Eulex: my 2GiB laptop usually hibernates to a 200-300MB image |
| 20:17.26 | xst | jelly-home: OK. What is this rule based on? Why exactly 2gb? |
| 20:17.29 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: lucky... |
| 20:17.36 | SerajewelKS | i think mine is hibernating the I/O cache as well |
| 20:17.40 | jelly-home | xst: like you said, rule of thumb |
| 20:17.42 | Eulex | jelly-home, yeah, but better to be sure than having the system failing to hibernate when you're using some memory-intensitive application. |
| 20:17.47 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: that's smart, actually |
| 20:18.07 | SerajewelKS | if i open, say, firefox or openoffice and immediately close it, my image jumps from 500mb to 1.3gb |
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| 20:18.28 | SerajewelKS | it takes long enough to write out 500mb. 1.3gb and i may as well shut it down. |
| 20:18.53 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: uswsusp drops the cache, tuxonice saves it; uswsusp needs to seek all over when you try to use an app, while tuxonice makes apps usable after resume |
| 20:18.59 | xst | jelly-home: Do you know where I can read about this? I have tried google it but didn't find anything other than out-of-the-blue recommendations. |
| 20:19.28 | jelly-home | Eulex: I'm not hibernating servers. Yet. |
| 20:20.08 | jelly-home | toyed with that idea when physical moving of the datacenter was talked of |
| 20:20.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: makes me wonder how vista does it... it takes it about 1/5 of the time to hibernate and about 1/2 to thaw, and things seem pretty usable |
| 20:20.18 | Eulex | jelly-home, :D |
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| 20:21.03 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: eh, they had usable hibernation even on 2000 |
| 20:21.22 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: probably, but this is the first box i've used it on |
| 20:21.37 | SerajewelKS | i wonder what it does differently |
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| 20:21.40 | jelly-home | I had it too on a compaq machine where bios did it :-) |
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| 20:23.38 | duxbarak | does gnome on lenny have the same fun graphical effects as on ubuntu hardy? |
| 20:23.49 | Lagbolt | duxbarak, you mean the compiz? wiggling windows and what not? |
| 20:23.53 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: I don't have Vista. of the competing linux techs, tuxonice seems most friendly and reliable, but requires patching |
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| 20:24.11 | duxbarak | lagbolt, yes |
| 20:24.22 | Lagbolt | duxbarak, not by default. you have to install and configure compiz |
| 20:24.47 | duxbarak | lagbolt, does etch already have that? |
| 20:25.06 | SerajewelKS | i think etch's compiz is pre-fusion |
| 20:25.51 | duxbarak | ok, thanks |
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| 20:26.27 | Lagbolt | duxbarak, never tried with etch. i set it up in lenny once but in the end i dont like wiggling windows :) |
| 20:26.36 | b-relaxed | I have a question. anyone can help please ? when i run " fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" I get an error , mkdir: cannot create directory `debian': Permission denied, anyone please ? |
| 20:27.41 | Lagbolt | b-relaxed, sounds like you are running the fakeroot command as a user in a dir that you do not have write permission for |
| 20:28.12 | b-relaxed | i tried sudo fakeroot ... but i dont think its right and looks redundant |
| 20:28.36 | Lagbolt | b-relaxed, what dir is your kernel src in? |
| 20:28.38 | jelly-home | b-relaxed: sudo fakeroot makes no sense, right |
| 20:28.57 | b-relaxed | /usr/src |
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| 20:29.29 | jelly-home | b-relaxed: if you unpacked as root, you can run make-kpkg as root, I guess |
| 20:30.08 | b-relaxed | i mv as a root but unpacked with archive manager .. thanks ill try again |
| 20:30.18 | Lagbolt | b-relaxed, that is typically owned by root:src so unless it has write perm as group src and you are a member you must unpack the src in a dir you have write perm to |
| 20:30.36 | jelly-home | b-relaxed: is the tree owned by you? |
| 20:30.40 | b-relaxed | yes |
| 20:30.44 | Lagbolt | b-relaxed, or make-kpkg as root works. . . that is how i do it. not sure it is the preffered method tho |
| 20:30.55 | b-relaxed | i own the laptop hehe |
| 20:30.58 | jelly-home | b-relaxed: just skip the "sudo " part then |
| 20:31.21 | Lagbolt | b-relaxed, well sounds like it is owning you now :-p |
| 20:31.26 | b-relaxed | lol |
| 20:31.41 | fairway | Eulex: is there a tutorial on this? <fairway> is it hard to setup debian with Real-time extension? |
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| 20:32.25 | Eulex | fairway, on compiling kernels the debian way: sure. see /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:32.41 | Eulex | fairway, but for doing the patching, ask the rt people |
| 20:32.51 | fairway | where are the rt people? |
| 20:33.00 | Eulex | I have no idea |
| 20:33.12 | fairway | heh |
| 20:33.39 | Eulex | probably they're contactable through some mailing list which you can find on the same site where you download the rt patches... |
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| 20:37.45 | balzac5000 | Can anyone fathom why I can't get this etch machine to "ifconfig up" my second NIC? http://pastebin.ca/1224004 |
| 20:38.13 | balzac5000 | I keep getting "no such device" but it's turning up in lspci and dmesg - I'm puzzled. |
| 20:38.24 | balzac5000 | udev lists it correctly |
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| 20:39.52 | jelly-home | has stolen a factoid from #postfix for the time someone asks for a tutorial |
| 20:39.59 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 20:39.59 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 20:40.38 | amphi | nice |
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| 20:42.44 | b-relaxed | I still get the same error, even when I mv tar as root. I ran out of ideas and google tabs. :-( |
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| 20:43.28 | zeta_ | how can i get debian to immediately boot into fluxbox instead of going into the session chooser? |
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| 20:45.44 | l337ingDisorder | hey folks, looking for a package that handles universal hardware detection on boot-up (for a bootable iso i'm making) |
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| 20:45.50 | l337ingDisorder | any recommendations? |
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| 20:47.51 | b-relaxed | it worked , thanks jelly-home , Lagbolt |
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| 20:50.03 | keith4 | balzac5000: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:50.32 | balzac5000 | keith4: Thanks for the response - I'm rebooting now... |
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| 20:50.53 | tip_1 | do you know any material about fast boot debian testing?? |
| 20:50.58 | balzac5000 | Curiously, the z25_persistent_net file named my eth1 "eth1_rename" |
| 20:51.05 | keith4 | interesting |
| 20:51.13 | balzac5000 | Yah - never seen that before. |
| 20:51.15 | keith4 | !z25 |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 20:51.41 | keith4 | sometimes udev is such a pain |
| 20:52.15 | balzac5000 | Tell me about it. I'm going to try and see how much trouble happens if I revert to regular dev - don't even know if that's possible |
| 20:52.43 | balzac5000 | Okay - udev renamed it again, but it *does* show up in "ifconfig -a" as "eth1_rename" still |
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| 20:53.16 | balzac5000 | "ifconfig eth1 up" still gets me "no such device" |
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| 20:54.53 | balzac5000 | Wow - I can do "ifconfig eth1_rename up" and it comes up! No IP address. I'm running kernel 2.6.18-6-486... |
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| 20:59.29 | karikari | hi, is there any way to monitor what files are ul/dl and by which users with the default sftp service? |
| 20:59.49 | stew | karikari: nope |
| 21:00.16 | stew | karikari: when I looked into this, i found patches to do this, but there is not such support by default |
| 21:00.24 | karikari | hmm, is there any alternative then to the default sftp service? |
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| 21:01.05 | karikari | like proftpd over ssh or something? |
| 21:01.23 | dudeman | o_O |
| 21:01.30 | H2S04 | karikari: you can't secure ftp that way. |
| 21:02.14 | H2S04 | karikari: the data and communication channels are different, it is possible to secure the communication channel to FTP with SSH but the data ports change on the fly so you're still sending data unencrypted |
| 21:02.32 | stew | karikari: there is lsh-server instead of openssh-server. i don't if it would be any better in this regard. sftp and ftp have little to do with eachother, its not like sftp is just ftp over ssl |
| 21:03.17 | H2S04 | karikari: if this is just you wanting to send things over the net to your own servers I suggest Rsync over ssh. |
| 21:03.22 | zeta_ | any eterm fans here? |
| 21:03.50 | stew | H2S04: that doesn't help him with what he is trying to do |
| 21:04.19 | H2S04 | stew: I was answering the encryption part of his question. |
| 21:04.30 | H2S04 | stew: and your statement that mine doesn't help him is very productive. |
| 21:04.53 | karikari | stew and h2so4: okay, basically I just need a file transfer service that is secure, can work with ldap and I could somehow monitor the traffic per user and files. I tried webdav over https but that didn't work well (few good clients on windows etc). Does anything come to mind? |
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| 21:08.20 | Gm4n | when I say "mail myuser" from root, the mail never arrives, and there's nothing in the maillogs (i'm using exim4). Where should I look? |
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| 21:09.35 | petemc | Gm4n: which log are you checking? |
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| 21:13.25 | Gm4n | petemc: /var/log/mail |
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| 21:13.45 | Gm4n | s/$/.log/ |
| 21:13.52 | petemc | Gm4n: exim logs to /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 21:14.24 | dryrot | why would this error happen?: http://pastebin.com/m7dd2d990 |
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| 21:14.58 | Gokee2_speedy | Hello all, I run Debian testing and need to install the nvidia drivers.... I was reading http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for a quick review of the m-a commands when I ran into "NVIDIA packages are currently not in testing due to lack of maintenance......." so I was wondering what is now the recommended way to install nvidia drivers in testing? The nvidia installer? |
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| 21:15.40 | Gm4n | aha, thank you petemc :) |
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| 21:16.20 | petemc | dryrot: can you run dmesg? |
| 21:16.46 | adama_ | dryrot: your / drive is busted |
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| 21:20.01 | Lagbolt | !tell Gokee2_speedy about nvidia lenny |
| 21:20.07 | dryrot | thanks, i belive you are correct |
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| 21:21.15 | Gokee2_speedy | Lagbolt, Getting them from unstable? |
| 21:21.53 | Gokee2_speedy | Why don`t the unstable packages get moved to testing? |
| 21:21.55 | Lagbolt | Gokee2_speedy, they are not in lenny so that is the option. i do it slightly differently but same result. |
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| 21:22.16 | Lagbolt | Gokee2_speedy, i dont recall the reason they havent moved into lenny but eventually they will move to testing i assume. |
| 21:23.02 | Gokee2_speedy | Hmm I see |
| 21:24.12 | Gokee2_speedy | nvidia installer just finished and it seems to work |
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| 21:24.12 | Lagbolt | Gokee2_speedy, from the nvidia drivers page? |
| 21:24.12 | Gokee2_speedy | Ya |
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| 21:24.21 | PsiClops | Hi, i have a USB-Floppy drive and want to copy tomsrtbt.raw to a floppy, only the image has 1.7MB with what command can i put the image on the Floppy ( 1.44 ) |
| 21:24.47 | Lagbolt | Gokee2_speedy, hope it works for ya |
| 21:25.01 | Gokee2_speedy | I like the Debian way better but the nvidia way does seem to be quick and easy until you get a new kernel |
| 21:25.43 | PsiClops | i have tried dd if=xxx.raw of=/dev/sda bs=1k count=1722 but that doesnt work |
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| 21:26.11 | PsiClops | still says NO SPACE LEFT copied 1.5 MB |
| 21:26.12 | Gokee2_speedy | That is one thing Ubuntu has done well, I clicked the little check box and it has worked ever since :/ |
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| 21:26.17 | Usiu | Hi |
| 21:26.23 | Usiu | how to modify debian iso image? |
| 21:26.42 | Usiu | can I mount iso and change its initramfs then burn it back? |
| 21:27.06 | grirgz | PsiClops: get a bigger floppy =) |
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| 21:27.15 | Gokee2_speedy | Usiu, Can you mount a iso read/write? |
| 21:27.43 | PsiClops | grirgz at this time of night ?;D |
| 21:28.05 | Usiu | Gokee2_speedy: I dont know |
| 21:28.10 | Usiu | Gokee2_speedy: is it possible? |
| 21:28.55 | Gokee2_speedy | Usiu, I have no idea, I was thinking it might be kind of cool if you could... I think whenever I have mounted a iso its been read only |
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| 21:32.06 | adb | Usiu: google "iso remaster " |
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| 21:32.13 | Usiu | adb: thx |
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| 21:32.20 | adb | np |
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| 21:35.19 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm |
| 21:36.18 | blast_hardcheese | I've got an old laptop here, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only sticks in Device blocks for each device but nothing more, no resolutions or driver under the graphics card or anything |
| 21:36.32 | blast_hardcheese | It's supposed to be Vesa, I did a bit of googling, |
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| 21:37.04 | stew | blast_hardcheese: under lenny or unstable, this is the expected behaviour. |
| 21:37.08 | blast_hardcheese | when I startx the screen goes green with lines, I see the familiar black X background, then the display shuts off |
| 21:37.14 | blast_hardcheese | Is it? |
| 21:37.18 | stew | blast_hardcheese: yes |
| 21:37.27 | blast_hardcheese | hmm. |
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| 21:38.01 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to use the stable configuration options to get at least a semi-autodetected config? |
| 21:38.15 | stew | blast_hardcheese: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log; it sounds like perhaps its picking a resolution your monitor doesn't support, in which case, you might need to speicify a monitor section |
| 21:38.22 | blast_hardcheese | alright |
| 21:38.25 | stew | blast_hardcheese: yes, an xorg.conf from stable should work fine |
| 21:38.34 | cwheeler | hi, how do I use the scanner in my HP Officejet printer from lenny? |
| 21:38.45 | stew | blast_hardcheese: its just that now you could leave stuff out of xorg.conf to have them detected at runtime |
| 21:39.13 | blast_hardcheese | I see |
| 21:39.29 | blast_hardcheese | "EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration" |
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| 21:40.14 | stew | blast_hardcheese: it sounds like it decided that any mode your card could provide were out of spec for your monitor, which probably means that your monitor sync rates were incorrectly detected |
| 21:40.37 | stew | blast_hardcheese: if you had a config in etch that you were happy with, you can just copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:40.59 | blast_hardcheese | I didn't configure this laptop under etch, |
| 21:41.02 | stew | blast_hardcheese: (which is backed up for you automatically) |
| 21:41.04 | blast_hardcheese | I went straight to sid |
| 21:41.13 | blast_hardcheese | then I installed xorg |
| 21:42.08 | blast_hardcheese | I'm looking at the log now, Lots of (II) stuff |
| 21:43.56 | blast_hardcheese | Where do I find the sync rates for the screen I'm trying to use? |
| 21:44.26 | stew | !laptops |
| 21:44.27 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 21:49.24 | amonxzz | una preguntita subjetiva...porque debian y no ubuntu? |
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| 21:49.56 | enouf | !tell amonxzz why debian |
| 21:50.08 | enouf | !tell amonxzz -about why debian |
| 21:50.08 | amonxzz | sorry yup |
| 21:50.22 | amonxzz | i thought that i was in the spanish channel |
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| 21:50.47 | enouf | do you want the spanish channel? |
| 21:50.51 | jelly-home | que? |
| 21:51.04 | jelly-home | !why debian |
| 21:51.04 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 21:51.15 | amonxzz | crei que este era el canal en español |
| 21:51.17 | blast_hardcheese | I can only get spanish channels here, it's kind of annoying |
| 21:51.20 | amonxzz | thanks i got it |
| 21:51.22 | enouf | !es |
| 21:51.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:51.57 | amonxzz | now im reading why...thanks a lot |
| 21:52.42 | Ace2016 | DO NOT INSTALL THE LATEST NVIDIA DRIVERS, THEY ARE BAD! |
| 21:52.42 | enouf | i should've asked ¿tu tienes channel a la español? |
| 21:52.57 | enouf | erm .. tu quieres, sorry |
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| 21:53.08 | jelly-home | Ace2016: my ears hurt! |
| 21:53.11 | Ace2016 | 177.80, do not install them, opengl seems broken |
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| 21:53.29 | blast_hardcheese | nvidia drivers BAD. Hulk SMASH. |
| 21:53.34 | cwheeler | when did they come out? |
| 21:53.44 | Ace2016 | yesterday |
| 21:54.00 | cwheeler | ah thanks |
| 21:54.05 | Ace2016 | don't install it |
| 21:54.10 | enouf | !sns |
| 21:54.10 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:54.26 | cwheeler | I won't I have lost enough blood on the bleeding edge this month already |
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| 21:54.45 | shanky | hi |
| 21:54.47 | Ace2016 | sid has been great so far |
| 21:54.49 | jelly-home | dear enouf, I read /., am I at risk? xoxoxo, jelly |
| 21:55.03 | cwheeler | yes jelly |
| 21:55.09 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 21:55.20 | enouf | applies the ointment to jelly-home to keep the infection from spreading |
| 21:56.16 | shanky | I have just installed debian amd64 in a laptop with an intel 945MG graphic card, and when I try to startx I get nothing but blinking color screens |
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| 21:56.46 | aljosha | Hello folks, i have problem on my debian loading some modules, i know it is problem in kernel, can i imput anyhow this module, without recompiling a kernel?bcs it is static kernel from my isp"modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.25.4gen-dirty/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 21:57.00 | shanky | and I can't even login to another tty using ctrl+alt+X |
| 21:57.05 | wols | aljosha: depmod -a |
| 21:57.13 | aljosha | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 21:57.19 | blast_hardcheese | stew: My laptop is not on the linux-laptops site and no laptops that are on that site share my graphics card |
| 21:57.33 | wols | aljosha: you sure your kernel can take modules? run lsmod |
| 21:57.46 | aljosha | same error |
| 21:57.46 | aljosha | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 21:57.46 | aljosha | lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 21:58.02 | wols | aljosha: no module support. either recompile or you have no support. no other way |
| 21:58.27 | wols | blast_hardcheese: what videocard is it? |
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| 21:58.38 | blast_hardcheese | SM710 LynxEM |
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| 21:58.57 | aljosha | tnx wols |
| 21:59.06 | blast_hardcheese | It's supposed to use the "vesa" driver |
| 21:59.15 | blast_hardcheese | (I found that on a mailing list) |
| 21:59.17 | aljosha | i got this kernel with this linux...so is there anyhow that source so i can just imput modules or i must compile new kernel ? |
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| 21:59.26 | Ace2016 | found the cause |
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| 21:59.39 | Ace2016 | nvidia drivers react badly to custom xorg.conf :( |
| 22:00.12 | cwheeler | cause of problem in new nvidia driver Ace? |
| 22:00.19 | cwheeler | what breaks it? |
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| 22:00.32 | paroneayea | anyone know why I can't find the xulrunner package in unstable any more? |
| 22:00.36 | Ace2016 | one of the options i had there |
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| 22:01.05 | cwheeler | so it's ok to install Ace2016 ? |
| 22:01.07 | wols | aljosha: what version of debian? |
| 22:01.16 | Ace2016 | 177.80 |
| 22:01.19 | Ace2016 | yea its fine |
| 22:02.54 | aljosha | 4.0 debian |
| 22:02.59 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 22:03.07 | wols | aljosha: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:03.08 | adb | paroneayea: xulrunner-1.9 |
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| 22:03.17 | paroneayea | adb: ah, thx |
| 22:03.23 | adb | np |
| 22:04.00 | stew | blast_hardcheese: you can try "X -configure" to get a working xorg.conf as well |
| 22:04.19 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, forgot about that |
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| 22:04.33 | aljosha | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:04.52 | blast_hardcheese | do'h |
| 22:04.57 | blast_hardcheese | That killed my monitor |
| 22:05.10 | wols | aljosha: no module support. either recompile or you have no support. no other way |
| 22:05.11 | shanky | how can I setup my X using the command line? |
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| 22:05.21 | wols | aljosha: you MUST recompile or reinstall a kerbel from debian |
| 22:05.36 | wols | shanky: is xorg installed? |
| 22:05.55 | grirgz | bye |
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| 22:05.58 | shanky | wols: yes |
| 22:06.04 | wols | shanky: lenny or etch? |
| 22:06.13 | shanky | lenny |
| 22:06.18 | wols | shanky: what videocard? |
| 22:06.26 | aljosha | kerbel?you mean kernel ? |
| 22:06.27 | shanky | intel 945gm |
| 22:06.39 | wols | aljosha: yes |
| 22:06.47 | aljosha | oke, many thanks |
| 22:07.25 | aljosha | only 1 question about that way, i have raid disks, raid 1 system, 2 disks, is hard to configure that in kernel ?i am little scared i do some missmatch with paths of disks, i can see that now and write somewhere and than recompile right? |
| 22:07.26 | wols | shanky: you will need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 22:07.53 | wols | aljosha: your last sentence is very unclear. explain |
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| 22:08.52 | shanky | wols: by hand? there is no "wizard"? |
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| 22:09.26 | Car0bnjaK | helloo |
| 22:09.30 | Car0bnjaK | can help my |
| 22:09.35 | wols | no wizard. under lenny it's supposed to work automatically. except when it doesnt.... |
| 22:09.46 | wols | yes it's shit, but the X-strike-team wouldn't listen |
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| 22:10.02 | shanky | wols: ok thanks |
| 22:10.32 | wols | shanky: file a bug and paste the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log into your bugreport |
| 22:10.43 | wols | shanky: tell them what shit they did |
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| 22:11.42 | aljosha | well, i have raids, i remmeber someone told me that it is little hard to configure raid paths for disks in kernel? |
| 22:12.02 | wols | aljosha: why would they configured there? |
| 22:12.11 | wols | *they be |
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| 22:12.25 | aljosha | seems that this guy isnt so clever, who told me that... |
| 22:12.38 | aljosha | so i dont have any jobs in setting up raid disks in kernel ? |
| 22:12.45 | aljosha | than i am glad to hear that |
| 22:12.45 | wols | aljosha: do you ahve console aeccess to your server? |
| 22:12.53 | aljosha | yes i have, i am doing all via console |
| 22:12.57 | wols | depends on what your hoster did |
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| 22:13.08 | aljosha | how you mean? |
| 22:13.20 | wols | that is not what I meant. console. ie. keyboard/monitor AT THE SERVER |
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| 22:14.26 | aljosha | well noone touchs my server except me, it is rented server in isp...when they setted up box i didnt only touch kernel, and last night i was configuring some script for iptables than this modules started to make problem, also i cannot run openvpn without modules...soo i must recompile |
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| 22:14.56 | wols | aljosha: speak with your hoster first. ask them why they used a custom kernel for example |
| 22:15.26 | aljosha | yes, good idea, i will ;) |
| 22:15.43 | aljosha | you know about isp link11 in germany?cos i see you are from there |
| 22:15.50 | aljosha | i have server there, they seem to be fine |
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| 22:18.36 | psychonate | so I've setup IP masquerading on this box and a dhcp server. My box on the LAN is able to get an IP and ping this host, and this host is able to ping that box. However, the LAN box cannot ping an outside server (e.g. yahoo), so I assume there's an issue with resolving. Should the resolv.conf on the LAN box the IP of my server's second NIC card? |
| 22:18.44 | Mrec | Hey guys |
| 22:18.59 | psychonate | through which it is connecting |
| 22:19.22 | pingouin | where can i change the setting of syslog logrotate/compression/number of syslog.x.gz keeped in /var/log/ ? please, thanks |
| 22:19.49 | HockeyInJune | I want to set up SSHd so certain users have to be authenticated via private keys, and others don't (they can use passwords). Is this possible, and how so? |
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| 22:20.58 | Mrec | I have this obsecure usb adapter, It only worked with Ubuntu by default, can someone help me find out if the Debian kernel will support it? |
| 22:21.21 | psychonate | what is the adapter? |
| 22:21.37 | psychonate | what does 'lsusb' say it is? |
| 22:21.43 | Mrec | Netgear M101 |
| 22:21.46 | Mrec | I mean this driver: http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:21.56 | Mrec | MA 101, sorry. |
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| 22:22.14 | Mrec | I need, not mean, the driver :P |
| 22:23.11 | psychonate | wireless LAN? |
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| 22:23.43 | wols | aljosha: no I don't |
| 22:23.49 | aljosha | okie |
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| 22:24.28 | wols | Mrec: it's very very unlikely it will work without config, but if ubuntu works, if you config it properly it will work in debian |
| 22:24.35 | wols | ie. compile the driver, get the firmware, etc |
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| 22:24.59 | psychonate | I didn't see it in my kernel's menuconfig |
| 22:25.02 | psychonate | may have missed it though |
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| 22:25.40 | nz17 | Hello. I have upgrade from Sarge to Lenny, and now my onboard sound doesn't work. Would anyone like to help me? |
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| 22:26.08 | Mrec | wols, the README is amazingly cryptic. |
| 22:27.16 | streuner | nz17: what kind of chip (sound) do you have? |
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| 22:27.26 | nz17 | streuner: ali5451 |
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| 22:28.28 | nz17 | lspci lists it as "00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 01)" |
| 22:28.32 | streuner | nz17: did you change the kernel as well, did you use ALSA or OSS? |
| 22:28.54 | nz17 | Kernel upgrade to 2.6.26, using ALSA. |
| 22:29.07 | streuner | and |
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| 22:29.19 | streuner | and "alsaconf" detected your soundchip? |
| 22:29.36 | Mrec | If tha tdriver is open source, does anyone know why it isn't included with linux by default? |
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| 22:29.44 | trylobytero | hi! |
| 22:30.06 | psychonate | well, I can ping yahoo's IP, so definitely a nameserver issue |
| 22:30.07 | nz17 | Yes, alsaconf detected, inserted the modules, but errors were given when it tried to change the volume. |
| 22:30.35 | trylobytero | debian etch's installer doesn't detect my HD (samsung hm251ji) |
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| 22:31.26 | nz17 | Here, I'll dig up the error message from dmesg... |
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| 22:33.13 | adb | nz17: tried a "alsaconf " as root ? |
| 22:33.18 | trylobytero | is it dangerous if I use "generic" driver in the list? |
| 22:33.50 | nz17 | Yes, I did alsaconf as root, and dmesg said: http://paste.debian.net/18891/ |
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| 22:35.11 | nz17 | And I have no idea how to resolve those I/O and IRQ problems that dmesg reports. |
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| 22:36.55 | dannz | im having trouble installing libvirt-bin on etch |
| 22:37.17 | dannz | (from the lenny repos) |
| 22:37.21 | streuner | nz17: did you turn APIC off? |
| 22:37.30 | eldowan | Is there a utility that will monitor and store information about the power quality deivered to the system board in debian? I'm having odd system shutdowns, and I think it *may* be power related. |
| 22:37.33 | nz17 | alsaconf doesn't complain, but dmesg does. |
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| 22:37.48 | nz17 | struener: I don't know - should APIC be off? |
| 22:37.57 | dannz | see here for a paste of what happens: http://pastebin.com/m348348ea |
| 22:38.01 | streuner | dmesg is nothing else other than the kernel itself... |
| 22:38.08 | streuner | sure |
| 22:38.22 | streuner | in some cases it helps |
| 22:38.30 | nz17 | So if APIC should be off, how is it deactivated? |
| 22:38.43 | wols | nz17: kernel parameter. "noapic" |
| 22:38.47 | streuner | its default |
| 22:38.59 | streuner | apic is enabled by default... |
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| 22:39.23 | nz17 | Well I'll disable it with noapic and reboot and tell you the results, group. |
| 22:41.11 | nz17 | Should I also have irqpoll? |
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| 22:41.52 | nz17 | OK, I'll be back. |
| 22:41.59 | adb | acpi=off |
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| 22:46.26 | wols | adb: acpi is not apic |
| 22:46.36 | wols | and has nothing to do with each other |
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| 22:48.42 | adb | wols: you right |
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| 22:52.02 | shingen | is there a simple to use daemon or tool that would allow me to specific SSH tunnels to redirect traffic to? I'd like to specify different SSH tunnels based upon domain name |
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| 22:54.18 | hengha | hi, I am trying to make a .deb pkg , basically I got all source scripts ready and when run generated pkg say, mypackage.deb like : dpkg -i mypackage.deb, it will extract those directory to /usr/local/mypackage. I didnt use dh_make but manually generate DEBIAN/changelog,DEBIAN/control and DEBIAN/rules. then run dpkg -b $mysourcedir mypackage, it did generate mypackage.deb but when I dpkg -i , it extracted all the source scripts into /bin |
| 22:54.18 | hengha | directory, instead /usr/local/mypackage, I googled around and put cp -pr $src /usr/local/mypackage shell commands in rules's install target, however, it seems never got executed, any idea ? thanks |
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| 22:59.14 | guysoft42 | any wishes for something i should include in a sugar live cd? |
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| 23:04.05 | DanDare | guysoft42, joe´s own editor - joe |
| 23:04.06 | DanDare | :) |
| 23:04.11 | adb | guysoft42: maybe ask in #debian-live on OFTC network |
| 23:05.13 | guysoft42 | adb, they are the ones helping me all day.. there all the time :) |
| 23:05.31 | guysoft42 | DanDare, whats that?? |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | it's an editor |
| 23:06.00 | guysoft42 | DanDare, that editor? i can add that :) |
| 23:06.16 | guysoft42 | DanDare, i can add anything that is a deb package :) |
| 23:06.18 | DanDare | guysoft42, http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:06.28 | DanDare | i think its nice |
| 23:06.32 | adb | joe - user friendly full screen text editor |
| 23:06.56 | guysoft42 | added joe to the list :) |
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| 23:07.01 | guysoft42 | for 1mb its ok |
| 23:07.09 | adb | i'll add too "mc" |
| 23:07.26 | adb | and nano |
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| 23:07.43 | guysoft42 | adb, it comes with bluddy gnome.. dont worry |
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| 23:09.03 | keith4_ | what does this indicate? E: Internal Error, could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf ? |
| 23:09.11 | guysoft42 | anything else? maybe a usful script to add to the filesystem? |
| 23:09.56 | Mundus | keith4_: Depends when you're getting the error |
| 23:10.00 | Mundus | Dist-upgrade? |
| 23:11.17 | tuv | i installed a new window manager (debian testing) and chose it from gdm's session menu. to setup some startup programs, i used ~/.xsession (with user exec permissions), yet nothing happens upon login. how do i specify startup programs? |
| 23:11.25 | keith4_ | Mundus: yes |
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| 23:12.15 | Mundus | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.debian/browse_thread/thread/3944b8470cd4ecea |
| 23:12.46 | keith4_ | well... I can't start x, and I can't install anything... so getting to that web site is going to be tricky |
| 23:12.58 | shingen | does a more robust version of gnome network proxy manager exist, so that I can redirect traffic to specific SOCKS proxies by domain name? Or is that something that can only be done by iptables? |
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| 23:15.27 | adb | guysoft42: libgnome-speech7, festvox, eflite, espeak, xchat , vlc , (maybe) |
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| 23:16.24 | guysoft42 | adb, i am trying to keep it slim.. but making a rubust DVD with all that would be easy once we have the first one.. |
| 23:16.48 | Mundus | keith4_: You can't install anything? |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | guysoft42: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 23:17.07 | Mundus | That sucks, I'm not brave enough to help you then |
| 23:17.26 | abrotman | keith4_: can you trace it out ? |
| 23:17.42 | guysoft42 | abrotman, its debian-live .. that was actually suppose to be posted in #sugar.. but it seemed to go well here.. |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | guysoft42: but it's not Debian |
| 23:18.59 | guysoft42 | abrotman, sorry.. its a milepost that got out of hand :S |
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| 23:19.13 | abrotman | guysoft42: you can take them to #debian-offtopic if you'd like |
| 23:19.36 | guysoft42 | abrotman, i should just leave the channel so i dont mix my taps |
| 23:19.39 | guysoft42 | tabs* |
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| 23:19.47 | keith4_ | Mundus: nah. bunch of stuff partially-installed, can't finish, can't remove anything... apt is angry |
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| 23:20.44 | keith4_ | abrotman: trace it out? |
| 23:20.46 | lufthanza | heya |
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| 23:21.02 | drake3 | how do I install vmware player and server on debian? |
| 23:21.26 | keith4_ | run the installer, or try vmware-package |
| 23:21.32 | lufthanza | how would I install a sid kernel on lenny? |
| 23:21.40 | drake3 | aptitude install vmware-package? |
| 23:21.55 | keith4_ | !tell drake3 about search |
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| 23:22.22 | keith4_ | lufthanza: if you're asking that... you probably shouldn't be doing it |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | !tell lufthanza about bacmkports |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | !tell lufthanza about backports |
| 23:22.38 | brylie | how do I tell the difference between PCI and PCI Express? |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | brylie: ask ##hardware |
| 23:22.57 | lufthanza | lenny has lenny had sid backports? |
| 23:23.01 | lufthanza | has* |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | what are you trying to get from sid ? |
| 23:23.37 | lufthanza | the latest kernel |
| 23:23.42 | drake3 | :D |
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| 23:23.58 | lufthanza | want the one with madwifi driver built in |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | lufthanza: uname -a |
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| 23:24.46 | lufthanza | i've got 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:25.17 | abrotman | that's the same one sid has |
| 23:25.33 | lufthanza | thought sid had 2.6.26-7 |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | you're not comparing the same numbers |
| 23:25.55 | abrotman | and yours has ath5k also |
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| 23:26.52 | lufthanza | abrotman: oh, hehe, thanks |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:27.07 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: 2.6.26-5 (lenny) 2.6.26-7 (sid) |
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| 23:33.17 | Ace2016 | Ok, just to let you know xorg auto detection is not perfect enough to run without an xorg.conf |
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| 23:34.31 | enyawix | is it hard to make a .deb I am about to dump my linux install to get debian or ubuntu |
| 23:34.56 | abrotman | Ace2016: depends on your hardware .. works fine on mine |
| 23:35.04 | abrotman | !tell enyawix about mg |
| 23:35.05 | enyawix | but some of the app i want do not have a .deb |
| 23:35.11 | abrotman | enyawix: which app is it? |
| 23:35.20 | keith4_ | Mundus: thanks. I found a laptop and read that thread. re-installing debconf seemed to fix it |
| 23:35.28 | Ace2016 | well mine caused lockups on logout and filesystem corruption |
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| 23:35.39 | abrotman | Ace2016: cute? |
| 23:35.43 | Ace2016 | (just a tiny bit) |
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| 23:36.00 | Ace2016 | wait a sec you aren't running sid, you run lenny right? |
| 23:36.09 | abrotman | and what? |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | lenny has the same autoprobing stuff |
| 23:36.20 | Ace2016 | wheres your sense of adventure |
| 23:36.23 | enyawix | abrotman linux sampler, kino, cinelerra and some others |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | this is the machine i use the most .. i'd like to use it .. not spend all day fixing silly things |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | judd: versions kino |
| 23:36.53 | judd | abrotman: kino: 0.92-3 (etch) 1.3.0-2+b1 (lenny) 1.3.0-2.1 (sid) |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | i thought so |
| 23:37.03 | Ace2016 | but is so fun to finally fix an issue and get to the bottom of it |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | i don't know what linuxsampler is or does .. and no .. cinerella isn't in debian |
| 23:37.17 | abrotman | Ace2016: i do that for a living ... |
| 23:37.20 | bunnyto | kiss abrotman |
| 23:37.22 | pickcoder | Ace2016: if you have nothing better to do.. sure |
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| 23:37.39 | abrotman | bunnyto: i warned you before .. take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:37.46 | dvs | heh |
| 23:37.46 | dvs | I prefer my things to just work, too |
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| 23:41.23 | enyawix | can i install debian in a chroot so i do not have down time. |
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| 23:43.24 | pingouin | where can i change the setting of syslog logrotate/compression/number of syslog.x.gz keeped in /var/log/ ? please, thanks |
| 23:43.31 | pickcoder | enyawix: if downtime is that critical why not install it on another machine and make sure everything works |
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| 23:44.10 | pickcoder | pingouin: /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 23:44.20 | enyawix | pickcoder ok i will install to a VM |
| 23:44.36 | pickcoder | enyawix: I'm sure you _can_ do it in a chroot and boot over |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | enyawix: you can use debootstrap if you like |
| 23:45.09 | pickcoder | I think there's a bot trigger for it |
| 23:45.21 | enyawix | can I install more than one version of gcc for apps that are hard to build? |
| 23:45.52 | pingouin | pickcoder: yes i saw those file (nothing exept apache2 and fail2ban in logrotate.d) but in logrotate.conf there is nothing about syslog* and the setting dont match the result i have (#compress is commented, but i still have syslog.x.gz in /var/log/) i dont understand very well |
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| 23:48.21 | abrotman | enyawix: which distro are you leaving? |
| 23:48.27 | Mundus | keith4_: No problem, but I just googled the error you got so you probably would have found the answer on your own =P |
| 23:49.08 | pickcoder | pingouin: I just noticed that |
| 23:49.13 | pickcoder | I dunno what to tell you |
| 23:49.19 | pingouin | pickcoder: no problem |
| 23:49.19 | pickcoder | all my other logs follow the configs |
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| 23:49.25 | pickcoder | syslog doesn't |
| 23:49.48 | pingouin | pickcoder: the same here, no troubles with apache2 log, but..syslog is a mystery... |
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| 23:50.19 | enyawix | abrotman gentoo it is just not want is was. apps are slow to be packaged etc... it is no longer a fun distro |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | it was before? |
| 23:50.46 | pickcoder | gah.. tar is taking forever |
| 23:50.50 | pingouin | i got 6 syslog.x.gz with also a curent one syslog and the yesterday syslog.0 not compressed and there are running like that, maximum syslog.6.gz |
| 23:50.58 | abrotman | enyawix: debian works a lot better if you don't run around compiling tons of stuff .. if you want bleeding edge .. stick with gentoo |
| 23:51.02 | pingouin | if anyone have THE idea ;) |
| 23:51.52 | enyawix | abrotman is no longer bleeding edge :( i am looking at debian unstable |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:52.01 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 23:52.22 | enyawix | debian unstable looks cool i think debian unstable has kde 4.2 |
| 23:52.39 | enyawix | 4.1.2* |
| 23:52.56 | abrotman | it does not |
| 23:54.01 | abrotman | and it's not likely to have kde4 for a bit |
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| 23:55.09 | enyawix | abrotman i thought Sid get all the apps when they come out |
| 23:55.35 | pickcoder | will -u for tar pick up new files as well as files that have a newer mod date |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | enyawix: no |
| 23:56.36 | enyawix | ok thanks i will keep looking for a distro you guys are great! thanks for all the help |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | enyawix: maybe arch ? |
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| 23:57.31 | enyawix | abrotman thanks i will look |
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