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| 00:08.31 | travolta | shingen> |
| 00:08.38 | travolta | how do i search ip ranges so i can chat with local people? |
| 00:09.05 | wols | travolta: please go away |
| 00:09.15 | wols | this is not a debian question and you already spammed #freenode you moron |
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| 00:11.20 | shingen | oh well, I actually had an answer for travolta... I just found his question to be completely off base |
| 00:11.29 | cwheeler | can I scan with my HP OfficeJet L7590? I have been looking at HPLIP but don't find the docs |
| 00:11.30 | cwheeler | ? |
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| 00:12.32 | wols | hplip is a printer driver. scanning isn't done with printers |
| 00:12.44 | pickcoder | cwheeler: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
| 00:12.47 | wols | shingen: he spammed freenode and was banned. then he came here |
| 00:13.18 | topherbartos | hey. i use Debian Etch. But I want more recent packages than a Stable Release provides. Should I get Lenny? Or is it too buggy? |
| 00:13.25 | cwheeler | my printer is a printer/scanner combo, the hplip website says it works but I haven't found docs on setting it up? |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | topherbartos: which packages? |
| 00:13.45 | wols | cwheeler: a printer is not a scanner. the end |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | officejet ? |
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| 00:14.06 | topherbartos | abrotman: 2.6.26 kernel and the gcc 4.2, etc |
| 00:14.09 | blast_hardcheese | Question, If xresprobe siliconmotion reports no monitor ID, 800x600 res, no freq, and disptype lcd/lvds |
| 00:14.13 | cwheeler | it has a scanner combined with the printer |
| 00:14.19 | topherbartos | i can't get them in apt with Etch, i don't think |
| 00:14.23 | wols | cwheeler: and? |
| 00:14.32 | enyawix | can I use .deb files from other debian based distro? |
| 00:14.32 | abrotman | topherbartos: well .. you can get a .26 from backports.org .. but your gcc will stay the same |
| 00:14.39 | blast_hardcheese | what should my xorg.conf config say? |
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| 00:14.43 | wols | cwheeler: the printer driver won't ever drive the scanner. never ever. and why don't you read waht you've been told? |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | enyawix: maybe .. maybe not |
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| 00:15.12 | topherbartos | abrotman: so should i get lenny if i want gcc 4.2? |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: depends .. some say nothing |
| 00:15.19 | wols | enyawix: they are definitely not supported here. ie you are totally on your own |
| 00:15.21 | abrotman | topherbartos: i think lenny is 4.3 |
| 00:15.31 | cwheeler | because the hplip website says it works with it but I'm having trouble finding docs |
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| 00:15.46 | topherbartos | abrotman: is it too buggy to maintain? or is it workable? |
| 00:15.48 | wols | cwheeler: again, do why don't you read what you've been told? |
| 00:15.49 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Hmm, What should my config be? |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | topherbartos: depends on your definition of buggy i suppose |
| 00:15.59 | cwheeler | i read what you typed |
| 00:16.10 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: how the heck would i know .. lenny/sid autoprobe most settings |
| 00:16.12 | wols | cwheeler: not just me answered you... learn to read |
| 00:16.37 | enyawix | wols i understand i would test stuff in a VM install than move it over |
| 00:16.39 | wols | abrotman: there is no driver for his chip anywhere for linux and not even vesa works properly. total shit hardware |
| 00:16.48 | cwheeler | I looked at the sane website also |
| 00:16.50 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: It autoprobes the wrong settings and misconfigures the screen |
| 00:16.55 | topherbartos | abrotman: will packages crash irreversibly? |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: what is your VGA card? |
| 00:16.59 | wols | cwheeler: and what does it say? |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | topherbartos: hopefully not |
| 00:17.22 | wols | cwheeler: the ONLY scanner drivers are from SANE |
| 00:17.33 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: SM710 LynxEM |
| 00:17.35 | cwheeler | I see |
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| 00:17.45 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: i don't even know what that is |
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| 00:17.53 | cwheeler | I confused as the hplip website says it supports scanning |
| 00:17.59 | wols | abrotman: a very old silicon motion chip |
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| 00:18.06 | abrotman | ew |
| 00:18.07 | blast_hardcheese | It uses the "siliconmotion" driver |
| 00:18.08 | topherbartos | abrotman: testing is better than unstable, correct? |
| 00:18.11 | wols | cwheeler: cause they found a sane driver that works |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | topherbartos: for stability .. yes |
| 00:18.22 | topherbartos | okay, i'll try it out. |
| 00:18.22 | wols | blast_hardcheese: there is one? |
| 00:18.23 | topherbartos | thanks |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | topherbartos: you probably actually want to point at lenny .. not testing |
| 00:18.28 | cwheeler | thanks that's helpful |
| 00:18.31 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | !tell topherbartos about etch->lenny |
| 00:18.44 | blast_hardcheese | None of the errors are about missing drivers |
| 00:19.01 | wols | blast_hardcheese: what errors are there? |
| 00:19.04 | wols | first one |
| 00:19.24 | topherbartos | abrotman: whoa. cool, i'll give it a go, thanks again! |
| 00:19.25 | blast_hardcheese | Let me see |
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| 00:20.01 | pickcoder | cwheeler: hplip-doc |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: what is this? a gateway laptop ? |
| 00:20.07 | cmanns | Is it easy to run windows over debian? |
| 00:20.13 | blast_hardcheese | It's a NEC laptop |
| 00:20.17 | pickcoder | there's your docs for hplip |
| 00:20.42 | wols | cmanns: in what way? |
| 00:20.44 | cmanns | I'm not talking about getting windows or nothing I have my own copies but I mean creating the virtural server. |
| 00:21.09 | wols | cmanns: fairly, if you use e.g. virtuabloox and read its manual |
| 00:21.11 | blast_hardcheese | there are no errors other than keyboard and mouse not existing |
| 00:21.21 | cmanns | I got a production mysql server, its using like no resources. I need a very simple vps just to run windows and a 10MB ram gameserver. |
| 00:21.25 | wols | blast_hardcheese: do you get a picture? |
| 00:21.29 | dustybin | i have a desktop in my bedroom what is ready for a debian OS, instead of me burning a installer, is it possible for my to PXE boot my desktop so it boots into the installer? |
| 00:21.35 | blast_hardcheese | For a brief second, the display flashes |
| 00:21.44 | wols | cmanns: you can't run a vps with windows |
| 00:21.54 | cmanns | aw darn |
| 00:21.56 | wols | !tell dustybin about ig |
| 00:21.57 | wols | dustybin: yes |
| 00:22.10 | cmanns | Whys that? |
| 00:22.12 | wols | cmanns: windows has no "VPS" thing anywhere ever |
| 00:22.16 | pickcoder | geez I don't think this tar is ever going to finish |
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| 00:22.51 | jetscreamer | yes windows has virtual stuff |
| 00:22.55 | jetscreamer | don't lie to the man |
| 00:22.58 | wols | jetscreamer: that's no "VPS" |
| 00:23.11 | cmanns | wols, to make a virtural machine |
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| 00:23.48 | jetscreamer | yes ms is now into virtual... ask them, it's the next big thing.... i went to an ms convention and that was the 'theme' |
| 00:23.49 | wols | cmanns: I told you how. read more |
| 00:23.57 | jetscreamer | but anyway |
| 00:24.00 | jetscreamer | not important |
| 00:24.00 | wols | jetscreamer: they do not do a VPS |
| 00:24.03 | cmanns | alrite |
| 00:24.10 | wols | jetscreamer: they do VMs, sure |
| 00:24.24 | jetscreamer | i know my host offers windows vps's but i can't swear how they set it up |
| 00:24.38 | jetscreamer | doesn't use em |
| 00:24.52 | pickcoder | windows running in Debian |
| 00:24.54 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:26.09 | pickcoder | which is more efficient at compressing PDFs bzip2 or gzip |
| 00:26.26 | jetscreamer | how compressible are pdf's, anyway |
| 00:26.33 | pickcoder | they're PS for the most part |
| 00:26.39 | pickcoder | some binary depending on data |
| 00:26.56 | pickcoder | this tarball is taking ages to create |
| 00:26.57 | jetscreamer | i thought they were compiled... another thing i've stayed away from... adobe |
| 00:27.12 | pickcoder | these are GS PDF files |
| 00:27.17 | wols | jetscreamer: they are compressed normally alreasdy (gzipped PS is one description I once heard) |
| 00:27.33 | pickcoder | possibly some Adobe sources |
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| 00:29.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they are compressed |
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| 00:34.11 | |niko| | Is there a place I can read exactly what packages are installed with the various options in d-i? |
| 00:34.26 | |niko| | Like "Standard System" or "SQL Server" or "desktop ..." |
| 00:34.33 | |niko| | or even with no selections? |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | |niko|: tasksel --task-packages <task> or something like that |
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| 00:35.05 | jetscreamer | but he's installing, so wants to see a list |
| 00:35.13 | jetscreamer | i guess you could shell out |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | sure he can .. alt-f3 |
| 00:35.36 | |niko| | abrotman: Where the task is, say "SQL Server"? |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | |niko|: tasksel --list-tasks |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | and that installs postgresql on lenny |
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| 00:37.31 | pickcoder | at this compression rate I might as well setup a cot and spend the night |
| 00:37.34 | |niko| | tasksel --task-packages desktop doesn't return ANY GNOME packages?/ |
| 00:37.37 | lufthanz1 | what am I dong wrong here? "update-rc.d <name> start 10 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | |niko|: what does it return ? |
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| 00:38.04 | lufthanz1 | need runlevel [0-9S] |
| 00:38.11 | jetscreamer | you get gnome stuff when you do desktop, this i know |
| 00:38.13 | jetscreamer | or you did |
| 00:38.14 | |niko| | Oh wait, desktop-base is one of them |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | lufthanz1: uhm .. why are you doing that? |
| 00:38.54 | jetscreamer | best to take all check marks off in that tasksel and finish the install and install what you want after |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | leaving "standard" isn't awful |
| 00:39.51 | lufthanz1 | i've made an init script that moves log files into a tmpfs mount at /var/log at start and moves them back onto the hard disk at shutdown. |
| 00:41.32 | lufthanz1 | abrotman: need it higher than standard at boot because the computer tries to access some log files earlier than 20 |
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| 00:41.40 | dmoerner | |niko|: Desktop in tasksel brings in the tasks desktop and gnome-desktop |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | lufthanz1: so wahts' the error it gives? |
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| 00:42.15 | lufthanz1 | need runlevel [0-9S] |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | what is runlevel 9 ? |
| 00:43.51 | lufthanz1 | abrotman: i have no idea |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | paste the command and the error |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:44.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:44.30 | lufthanz1 | kinda hard atm |
| 00:44.33 | lufthanz1 | in cli |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:45.13 | lufthanz1 | here is the command : update-rc.d logport start 10 1 |
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| 00:45.29 | intx | do you always need both PCI-E connectors connected on a video card (even if your PSU has a single powerful 12V rail?) |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | intx: ##hardware? |
| 00:45.51 | intx | (Sorry, know it's not really a linux related question but need a smart audience.) |
| 00:46.00 | lufthanz1 | error is : expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
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| 00:46.17 | abrotman | kind of seems to be telling you what you're doing wrong |
| 00:47.06 | lufthanz1 | well, I guess i'm not catching on |
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| 00:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're giving it a runlevel of 10 to add a script to |
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| 00:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you're not |
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| 00:49.41 | lufthanz1 | i guess setting it at 10 on all runlevels should be fine |
| 00:49.42 | lufthanz1 | brb |
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| 00:50.57 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: there are only 6 runlevels... |
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| 00:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the script would accept up to 9 |
| 00:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he tried to add it for runlevel 1, so that should be ok |
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| 00:53.50 | blast_hardcheese | [config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null)) |
| 00:54.21 | blast_hardcheese | that's what I get out of X -configure; X -config <autoconfig'd file> |
| 00:54.35 | blast_hardcheese | There are no (EE) lines, |
| 00:54.46 | blast_hardcheese | it's the last line in the log |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | how did you install X ? |
| 00:56.39 | blast_hardcheese | aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 00:57.00 | blast_hardcheese | I installed -input-mouse -input-kbd myself |
| 00:57.11 | blast_hardcheese | all the other drivers came under the xserver-xorg bundle |
| 00:57.16 | wols | blast_hardcheese: that's bad. very very bad |
| 00:57.21 | wols | !tell blast_hardcheese about install X |
| 00:57.33 | wols | you miss half the packages |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: aptitude install xorg |
| 00:58.01 | blast_hardcheese | bah |
| 00:58.03 | blast_hardcheese | alright |
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| 01:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | he should edit /usr/sbin/update-rc.d line 253 to print out what $level contains |
| 01:02.43 | blast_hardcheese | Holy crap, |
| 01:02.46 | blast_hardcheese | it started |
| 01:02.55 | blast_hardcheese | I've got three cursors though, not sure about that |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | only three? |
| 01:03.28 | abrotman | uses at least six |
| 01:03.39 | blast_hardcheese | Right |
| 01:03.47 | blast_hardcheese | no, I've got a cursor and two shadows |
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| 01:06.45 | |niko| | abrotman: So I want as much of my HDD to be in encrypted LVM2 volumes as possible. |
| 01:06.57 | |niko| | What cannot be in an encrypted LVM partition? My /boot folder? |
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| 01:07.33 | abrotman | probably .. i've used lvm .. but not encrypted |
| 01:09.27 | blast_hardcheese | whoever designed the keyboard on this laptop must have been high |
| 01:09.29 | rebel_kid | im running barebones cli based debian, but i wanted to know if there is a way to increase the resolution to use the space a lil beter |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: you bought it |
| 01:10.07 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I bought three! |
| 01:10.08 | blast_hardcheese | :D |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | rebel_kid: you can use a vga mode on the console |
| 01:10.25 | rebel_kid | abrotman, can you give me a command or a help file? |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | google.com |
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| 01:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... he indeed did forget the "." |
| 01:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is that there for |
| 01:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | <---- blind man |
| 01:12.03 | abrotman | the man page said that! |
| 01:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fucking didn't see it |
| 01:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well - I didnt look at the manpage, but the error itself sais it |
| 01:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | plain in the face |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | yeah .. well |
| 01:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I did look at the manpage also, but didn't see it either |
| 01:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 01:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm not the only one... he didn't get it either |
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| 01:14.55 | abrotman | i'm not surprised he can't read :) |
| 01:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | but you .. you should be able to read! |
| 01:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, I don't read punctation |
| 01:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I miss it sometimes if it's not there |
| 01:15.58 | CompWizrd | so does IRC |
| 01:18.02 | Ian_Daniher | I'm trying to clean out a lot of the services started on boot to reduce startup time |
| 01:18.15 | Ian_Daniher | I can manually remove files in /etc/rc#.d |
| 01:18.22 | Ian_Daniher | is there some other, faster way to do this? |
| 01:18.29 | CompWizrd | update-rc.d |
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| 01:21.22 | roe_ | anyone have a good way to manage multiple terminal ssh sessions in gnome? |
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| 01:21.49 | abrotman | roe_: screen ? |
| 01:21.56 | blast_hardcheese | screen ftw |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | and gnome-terminal does tabs |
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| 01:23.06 | roe_ | yea, but the title bar doesn't reliably update with the name of the machine I am connected to, so I generally can't find the correct tab easily |
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| 01:23.50 | keith4_ | am I missing something? icedove insists on opening links in epiphany. so I run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, select iceweasel, but nothing changes |
| 01:24.49 | dryrot | are you running gnome ? |
| 01:24.52 | keith4_ | yah |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | you want to set your preferred applications |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | roe_: read the prompt ? |
| 01:25.43 | keith4_ | ah, forgot about that |
| 01:25.45 | dryrot | keith4_: try System -> Preferred Applications |
| 01:25.55 | keith4_ | been so long since I had to do that. guess etch->lenny reset it |
| 01:25.56 | roe_ | abrotman, yes, thank you, with 6 ~8 windows open per workspace (generally 4 workspaces) that is a lot of searching for the correct session, hence my question |
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| 01:26.14 | abrotman | roe_: IIRC you can label windows in screen |
| 01:26.28 | roe_ | I'll take a look at it |
| 01:26.51 | keith4_ | if you use gnome-terminal, you can set the title. there's a menu command to do it, or there's a bash escape sequence that will do it |
| 01:26.54 | roe_ | I was hoping for something a little more "gnomish" |
| 01:27.25 | roe_ | yea, but that still requires me to walk through my workspaces to find the title |
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| 01:27.52 | roe_ | I'd prefer some escape sequence that allowed me to type the machine I was looking for and have it bring that window to the front |
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| 01:28.01 | keith4_ | don't use tabbed terminals, then |
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| 01:29.09 | roe_ | 1) you can see the title bar of tabbed terminals 2) I am not using tabbed terminals. having multiple terminals open on multiple workspaces makes it hard to find the correct one |
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| 01:29.45 | keith4_ | do you not have a window-selector in your gnome-terminal? |
| 01:30.10 | roe_ | Window-selector? |
| 01:30.33 | blast_hardcheese | What would cause shadow cursors on Xorg? |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | X |
| 01:30.38 | keith4_ | or a window list, maybe? |
| 01:30.44 | blast_hardcheese | I've got three cursors, the real one is the farthest on the left |
| 01:30.54 | keith4_ | mousetrails? |
| 01:30.56 | neoalex | hi, I recently replaced my ide hdd with a sata hdd so my hda1 is sda1 now, the problem is every time aptitude upgrades the kernel and runs /sbin/update-grub my menu.lst changes to hda1 again |
| 01:31.04 | blast_hardcheese | No, it's a graphical glitch |
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| 01:31.15 | neoalex | where does that script get it's information and where do I have to change it? |
| 01:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, who'd have thought it, s/^ *$\n//99 in vi actually removes newlines |
| 01:31.27 | roe_ | keith4_, the gnome-panel? |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: me? :) |
| 01:31.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, only maybe! |
| 01:32.00 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, me too actually |
| 01:32.03 | adb | neoalex: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 01:32.19 | neoalex | adb, I already changed it there |
| 01:32.24 | blast_hardcheese | Not exactly sure what the 99 at the end is for though |
| 01:32.25 | asarch | How can I ask to dpkg about MS Fonts? |
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| 01:33.11 | keith4_ | !tell asarch about search |
| 01:33.34 | asarch | D'oh! |
| 01:33.38 | asarch | Thank you keith4_ |
| 01:33.40 | asarch | :-) |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | !tell asarch about msttcorefonts |
| 01:34.12 | asarch | Thank you very much abrotman |
| 01:34.15 | asarch | :-) |
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| 01:34.20 | sbi- | Hi. My iceweasel RPC doesn't seem to work. I have a iceweasel running in my session but when I do iceweasel -new-tab $foo in the same session, I get an error telling me that iceweasel is already running but not responding |
| 01:34.25 | sbi- | any hints what's wrong? |
| 01:35.30 | adb | neoalex: in /boot/grub/menu.lst , try sdaX to line >>> # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 01:35.43 | keith4_ | neoalex: in your menu.lst... yah. what he said |
| 01:35.46 | CompWizrd | sbi-: sid? if so, try the latest iceweaseal package |
| 01:35.57 | keith4_ | there are kopt comments that are read by the update-grub script |
| 01:36.36 | gbp | "No candidate version found for msttcorefonts" |
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| 01:36.50 | neoalex | well yes, I know that, the problem is everytime update-grub runs it messes it up again, and I have to go in and do it manually, it wouldn't be a huge deal, but I forgot a few time, restarted the server and obviously it wouldn't boot up |
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| 01:37.07 | neoalex | so I want update-grub to do it right in the first place |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | gbp: you have to have contrib enabled |
| 01:37.13 | keith4_ | neoalex: no. find the kopt lines |
| 01:37.25 | neoalex | oh.... |
| 01:37.36 | neoalex | ok, sure... waiting for it to boot back up |
| 01:38.04 | sbi- | CompWizrd: doh, I am truly too stupid to use querybts(1) properly, thanks |
| 01:38.04 | keith4_ | change "kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro" to "kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro" |
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| 01:39.02 | jetscreamer | !irssi |
| 01:39.02 | dpkg | somebody said irssi was the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
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| 01:40.02 | neoalex | keith4, adb: yeah that did it, thank you |
| 01:40.16 | adb | np |
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| 01:47.47 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, fixed it, added Option "HWCursor" "False" and "SWCursor" "True" |
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| 02:01.40 | pingouin | pickcoder: i guess it /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd that do the job for syslog |
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| 02:19.24 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 02:19.27 | meoblast001 | what does this mean http://pastebin.com/d22fb7e63 |
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| 02:26.46 | x_link | enouf: Hii there =) |
| 02:26.55 | x_link | Long time no see ;D |
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| 02:27.05 | Piper69 | howdy |
| 02:27.19 | x_link | Good Morning. |
| 02:27.33 | x_link | I should go to sleep pretty soon, it's pretty late. |
| 02:27.41 | x_link | 04:27. |
| 02:28.02 | meoblast001 | ok im playing a game with the debian package maker to try and hack in files that my project isnt creating |
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| 02:28.52 | x_link | Hurmm... |
| 02:28.57 | x_link | I have a question. |
| 02:29.18 | x_link | A guy from another channel (a while ago) helped me with something. |
| 02:29.29 | PatrickAupperle | Hello everyone |
| 02:29.53 | x_link | He helped me delete the root-dir or something so I got pretty much more space on my hdd. |
| 02:29.58 | x_link | Does anybody know how to do that? |
| 02:30.12 | PatrickAupperle | root directory? |
| 02:30.16 | PatrickAupperle | that is bad to delete |
| 02:30.28 | x_link | But then it was something else. |
| 02:30.31 | meoblast001 | just a question... if i have ubuntu, am i allowed to be in here to ask questions about the Debian package maker... i know Ubuntu users are pretty much not allowed in here for the most part but i dont think the Deb system was edited very much (at all) between the two distros |
| 02:30.37 | x_link | But I remember it gave me pretty much mor space. |
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| 02:31.08 | PatrickAupperle | then I must be mistaken at what u are talking about |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | x_link: aptitude clean ? |
| 02:31.24 | x_link | abrotman: No, it wasn't that. |
| 02:31.32 | x_link | I deleted something. |
| 02:31.40 | PatrickAupperle | Anyway, can anyone help me get frets on fire working? |
| 02:31.45 | x_link | I'm pretty sure it was the root-dir or something like that. |
| 02:31.54 | x_link | I got like 20GB more. |
| 02:32.14 | PatrickAupperle | my debian partition is only 15 GB, lol |
| 02:32.16 | x_link | I'm in the same channel as the guy, but I don't remember who it was 0/ |
| 02:32.27 | x_link | PatrickAupperle: Mine as well. |
| 02:32.36 | x_link | Well, on this laptop ;D |
| 02:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | holds his thumbs up |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | x_link: it was not |
| 02:32.58 | x_link | abrotman: It was not? |
| 02:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | deleting the root directory will definitely give a lot of space... more than one can use |
| 02:33.19 | PatrickAupperle | thinks it is a bad idea |
| 02:33.29 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: How do you mean? |
| 02:33.35 | meoblast001 | dang it |
| 02:33.38 | meoblast001 | i made unremovable files |
| 02:33.49 | PatrickAupperle | lol |
| 02:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | PatrickAupperle, I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it'll make lots of space (practically all of it) |
| 02:34.14 | PatrickAupperle | and deletes your linux install |
| 02:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | x_link, how big is your disk? |
| 02:34.40 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: It wasn't on this machine. |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | meoblast001: no you didn't |
| 02:34.48 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: But on this machine I just have 160GB. |
| 02:34.59 | Piper69 | anyone know a channel for ollyDbg |
| 02:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | see... and afterwards you'd have 160GB of free space |
| 02:35.02 | meoblast001 | abrotman: well.. CHANGES~ is unremovable |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 02:35.22 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: Okey. |
| 02:35.25 | beardy | Quote more. |
| 02:35.26 | meoblast001 | or my desktop isnt updating lol |
| 02:35.40 | PatrickAupperle | have any of you managed to install fretsonfire in lenny? |
| 02:35.48 | x_link | beardy: Hi there you sexy little thing :D |
| 02:36.05 | beardy | x_link: Haha.. hello. |
| 02:36.14 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: But I must be mistaking then, but I know that it was something I was told to delete. |
| 02:36.19 | x_link | Well well |
| 02:36.23 | x_link | Thanks anyway. |
| 02:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | porn, perhaps? |
| 02:36.32 | PatrickAupperle | I woulnt |
| 02:36.33 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: No, nothing like that. |
| 02:36.59 | PatrickAupperle | wow 20 gigs of porn. lol |
| 02:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks that answer came *too* fast |
| 02:37.07 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: Shouldn't it be "my" instead of "me" in your nick? =) |
| 02:37.14 | beardy | No, he means the /root directory.. though why that would remove the 5% set-aside for /root, I don't know. |
| 02:37.26 | aliases123 | PatrickAupperle: its not porn its pr0n |
| 02:37.27 | beardy | So let me ask instead then, how to change that percentage? |
| 02:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | x_link, no... "/msg dpkg dibbler" if you care to know :) |
| 02:37.33 | meoblast001 | abrotman: this is weird.. it keeps deleting ChangeLog~ and then a half second later dies because it doesnt know where it is |
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| 02:37.50 | PatrickAupperle | this channel is so worthless |
| 02:37.56 | PatrickAupperle | and I have to do homework |
| 02:38.08 | x_link | CutMeOwnThroat: OKey =) |
| 02:38.09 | beardy | Leave and it will improve greatly. |
| 02:38.18 | x_link | Hehe |
| 02:38.26 | x_link | is dancing for beardy! |
| 02:38.29 | aliases123 | PatrickAupperle: ? do what you need to do. |
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| 02:38.47 | PatrickAupperle | Well, I was hoping to get help with fretsonfire |
| 02:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | aliases123, he want's us to do his homework... *shrug* tough luck |
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| 02:39.08 | x_link | Take care guys and girls |
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| 02:39.21 | PatrickAupperle | it wont install |
| 02:39.27 | PatrickAupperle | error message here: |
| 02:39.34 | PatrickAupperle | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=181081#181081 |
| 02:39.40 | meoblast001 | who made this program |
| 02:39.59 | meoblast001 | dh_installdocs |
| 02:40.26 | aliases123 | PatrickAupperle: you are missing python libs by the looks of it. make sure you have the opengl python libs and things you need. |
| 02:41.02 | meoblast001 | nvm.. config error |
| 02:41.03 | PatrickAupperle | i am checking |
| 02:41.11 | PatrickAupperle | oh, config error? |
| 02:41.43 | aliases123 | try installing freeglut i think its called. (i see a fedora forum with a similiar error) |
| 02:41.54 | aliases123 | and... PyOpenGL. |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | thought he was doing homework? |
| 02:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he's working on avoidance strategies |
| 02:43.23 | PatrickAupperle | pyopengl does not seem to exist |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | PatrickAupperle: how did you install fretsonfire ? |
| 02:43.42 | PatrickAupperle | and I have freeglut3 |
| 02:43.53 | PatrickAupperle | aptitude install fretsonfire |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | PatrickAupperle: uname -a .. |
| 02:44.26 | Gm4n | can exim4 be configured to accept a message but also pass it on to another server? |
| 02:44.29 | meoblast001 | how do i cross compile to a different architecture using dh_make? |
| 02:44.36 | PatrickAupperle | Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:46:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/fretsonfire ? |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | Gm4n: i'd imagine so .. it's called a mail gateway |
| 02:45.32 | muddd | if I just rm -rf /var/log will everything be ok on a reboot or will I just break something? |
| 02:45.34 | Gm4n | thanks abrotman, I'll RTFM :) |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | or ask #exim |
| 02:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=fretsonfire |
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| 02:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, forwards |
| 02:46.21 | Gm4n | hmm, I suppose so :) |
| 02:46.22 | PatrickAupperle | I don't see anything to help there |
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| 02:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, there's no bugreport ther, I already looked |
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| 02:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, actually there is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446713 |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | win me? |
| 02:47.58 | aliases123 | PatrickAupperle: apt-get build-dep fretsonfire perhaps.... |
| 02:48.31 | aliases123 | muddd: well you killed logging probably for a few things. why do you ask ? |
| 02:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not the same |
| 02:48.35 | PatrickAupperle | You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 02:48.49 | muddd | just trying to trim the fat |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | judd: versions fretsonfire |
| 02:48.57 | judd | abrotman: fretsonfire: 1.2.512.dfsg-3 (sid) |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:49.00 | muddd | i didnt do it yet though, although i was about to just to see |
| 02:49.05 | muddd | after a good system backup |
| 02:49.17 | muddd | hell i think i'll backup then try it anyways |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | thinks stew broke judd again |
| 02:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | muddd, jogging is always popular... |
| 02:49.34 | muddd | eh? |
| 02:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | to trim the fat |
| 02:49.43 | muddd | oh duh heh |
| 02:49.51 | muddd | sorry i have a short attention span |
| 02:50.13 | aliases123 | dah he. |
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| 02:50.49 | beardy | http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space is what x_link wanted anyway. |
| 02:51.08 | beardy | What else can I tell myself. |
| 02:51.35 | path_ | judd: versions eog |
| 02:51.37 | judd | path_: eog: 2.16.3-3 (etch) 2.22.3-1 (lenny) 2.22.3-1 (sid) |
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| 02:52.02 | path_ | interesting :) |
| 02:52.51 | beardy | dpkg: reserved ext3 space is <reply> To change the amount of reserved space for root on an ext3 filesystem, use tune2fs. http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space |
| 02:52.52 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 02:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, it's still not such a great idea... |
| 02:53.11 | beardy | No. |
| 02:53.31 | beardy | But better than deleting /root, not knowing what and why one is doing. |
| 02:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | is thinking |
| 02:54.40 | beardy | dpkg: no, reserved ext3 space is <reply> To change the amount of reserved space for root on an ext3 filesystem, use tune2fs. (This is a BAD idea, know what you're doing.) http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 02:54.45 | beardy | Happy? |
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| 02:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about other filesystems? |
| 02:55.31 | beardy | Up to you to find out. Noone answered me either. |
| 02:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 02:57.25 | Antilord`` | hi all |
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| 02:57.52 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know if other filesystems have that feature. |
| 02:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 these guys seem to say that only ext3 reserves space |
| 02:58.02 | Antilord`` | hi have a prob |
| 02:58.09 | Antilord`` | anyone can help me |
| 02:58.13 | Antilord`` | query plz |
| 02:58.23 | beardy | Antilord``: Yes, ask your question. |
| 02:58.37 | Malmis | ;P |
| 02:58.37 | Antilord`` | thx |
| 02:58.52 | aliases123 | CutMeOwnThroat: no. most file systems reserve space. |
| 02:58.54 | Antilord`` | i have one server with a hidden process |
| 02:58.55 | Malmis | or answer it yourself if anyone can help ;P |
| 02:58.58 | Antilord`` | webmin |
| 02:59.16 | Antilord`` | i can't find it |
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| 02:59.45 | bewpy | can someone help me with a .deb file? i used dpkg -i, but what do i do next? |
| 03:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | aliases123, that's what I thought... but... not in this thread |
| 03:00.21 | Antilord`` | and someone change the root pass |
| 03:00.33 | craigevil | bewpy: dpkg -i should install it |
| 03:01.07 | bewpy | well it did something but.. how do i run what i installed |
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| 03:01.16 | bewpy | nvm |
| 03:01.18 | bewpy | i got it :D thanks |
| 03:01.32 | aliases123 | right but they do. |
| 03:01.55 | blal | how do i gnunet |
| 03:02.04 | aliases123 | unless that reserver space has a special definition |
| 03:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, just like you run anything else... |
| 03:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, try dpkg -L |grep bin/ to find executables |
| 03:02.07 | aliases123 | server* |
| 03:02.18 | aliases123 | reserve* sorry. |
| 03:02.19 | bewpy | yeah i realised that lol |
| 03:02.21 | bewpy | thanks |
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| 03:02.38 | beardy | !webmin |
| 03:02.38 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 03:03.02 | beardy | !reference |
| 03:03.02 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 03:03.27 | beardy | Antilord``: ^^^ Learn to use your system instead. |
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| 03:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | also |
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| 03:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Antilord`` -about ifrp |
| 03:04.42 | Antilord`` | sorry beardy |
| 03:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'd like to see the photos of dondelelcaro shoving table knives into live electrical outlets |
| 03:05.31 | DaRtH_VaDeR | somebody knows how to find the port and the address from a proxy ? |
| 03:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:06.16 | aliases123 | DaRtH_VaDeR: what kind and what for. |
| 03:06.17 | DaRtH_VaDeR | how could i do that ? |
| 03:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "depends" |
| 03:06.45 | DaRtH_VaDeR | aliases123, i am on my university, they have a proxy server and for can export http_proxy i need to find the address and the port :D |
| 03:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you mean the one of the proxy you're using? |
| 03:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | google for "what is my ip" |
| 03:07.01 | beardy | DaRtH_VaDeR: Ask them. |
| 03:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | can export? |
| 03:07.28 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i have searched for proxycheck but, i dont understand how to use it |
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| 03:07.37 | beardy | DaRtH_VaDeR: Or do what CutMeOwnThroat said from an already connected computer there. |
| 03:07.54 | DaRtH_VaDeR | CutMeOwnThroat, i mean export http_proxy="http://myproxy:myport" |
| 03:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... you could of said what you mean in the original question |
| 03:08.39 | bewpy | can anyone suggest a good media player? maily for .mp3's |
| 03:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can only look at their webpages, they'll probably let you know which proxy you may use or you can look it up in a browser that's already set up to use it |
| 03:09.01 | aliases123 | DaRtH_VaDeR: um. so you can't get access to sites atm via port 80 ? |
| 03:09.02 | blal | bewpy : mplayer , xmms , lots of options. |
| 03:09.05 | DaRtH_VaDeR | CutMeOwnThroat, i need to know myproxy and myport :S the person who has the addres is not in the city so, i'll have to wait |
| 03:09.11 | DaRtH_VaDeR | aliases123, no :( |
| 03:09.17 | aliases123 | but your on irc ? |
| 03:09.32 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i am not right now there... |
| 03:09.35 | blal | how do i connect to the internet? |
| 03:09.55 | DaRtH_VaDeR | bewpy, audacious |
| 03:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | DaRtH_VaDeR, universities normally *do* have a webpage telling people how to configure a proxy... |
| 03:09.59 | aliases123 | oh. well if you can get access to other ports use those and tunnel, else ask your admin / it. |
| 03:10.06 | beardy | blal: You're here. |
| 03:10.15 | bewpy | ok thanks |
| 03:10.15 | DaRtH_VaDeR | CutMeOwnThroat, mine doesn't:S |
| 03:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | DaRtH_VaDeR, of course, you can always try proxy.my-university.edu |
| 03:10.19 | blal | beardy : how do i GNUnet? |
| 03:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | DaRtH_VaDeR, I guess port 8080 is pretty common for proxies |
| 03:10.34 | aliases123 | blal: are you a bot ? |
| 03:10.40 | blal | aliases123 : whats a bot? |
| 03:10.41 | DaRtH_VaDeR | CutMeOwnThroat, i have tried that... and the 8080 is not the port :( |
| 03:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or alternatively proxy1.my-university.edu) |
| 03:11.05 | DaRtH_VaDeR | damn, so there is no way to know which is the address ? |
| 03:11.11 | blal | ? tob a uoy era :lalb |
| 03:11.16 | aliases123 | DaRtH_VaDeR: ask the it. if you are meant to have access they will tell you. if not. we cant really help you. DaRtH_VaDeR want to give us the name of the uni ? |
| 03:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | DaRtH_VaDeR, well, are you a psychic? |
| 03:11.49 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i am an informatic student :P |
| 03:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if yes, you can probably just read the mind of someone who knows... |
| 03:12.06 | DaRtH_VaDeR | aliases123, universidad pontificia bolivariana :) |
| 03:12.11 | beardy | blal: What is GNUnet? |
| 03:12.20 | blal | !gnunet |
| 03:12.21 | dpkg | hmm... gnunet is larger than a breadbox |
| 03:12.26 | blal | rofl |
| 03:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jokster, if you make factoids, make useful ones |
| 03:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo gnunet |
| 03:13.17 | dpkg | gnunet -- created by blal <blal@c-75-72-78-87.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> 33m 47s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by blal, 56s ago. |
| 03:13.54 | beardy | I guess we have the answer then. Not a bot, but a tard. |
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| 03:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, no, gnunet is a framework for secure peer-to-peer networking that does not use any centralized or otherwise trusted services, see http://gnunet.org/ |
| 03:14.37 | dpkg | okay, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:14.57 | aliases123 | dpkg: ignore blal |
| 03:14.57 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, blal" |
| 03:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 03:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should do the trick |
| 03:15.16 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :( |
| 03:15.44 | blal | saw gnunet.org. |
| 03:16.01 | blal | so if gnunetd runs as gnunet, which users runs gnunet-gtk? |
| 03:16.32 | blal | I was specifically asked if gnunet was larger than a breadbox. |
| 03:16.36 | blal | so if gnunetd runs as gnunet, which users runs gnunet-gtk? |
| 03:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | blal, so if I ask you to jump out of the window, you'll do it? |
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| 03:18.46 | muddd | cool |
| 03:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | this, I'd like to note was what we experts call a "rethorical question"... NOT the start of an hour-long discussion |
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| 03:19.13 | tictac | any current issues with amd64? |
| 03:19.17 | blal | CutMeOwnThroat : no u |
| 03:19.34 | blal | CutMeOwnThroat is this how you treat most ppl in this channel? what about other chans? |
| 03:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | blal, on other channels, I kill them outright |
| 03:20.06 | aliases123 | CutMeOwnThroat: that's how you got your name no ? |
| 03:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:20.20 | beardy | Just drop it and it will be forgotten. |
| 03:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | aliases123, yeah, that was when I wasn't courteous enough to myself... |
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| 03:21.14 | blal | how do i gnunet? |
| 03:21.23 | InvincibleCory | hi |
| 03:21.34 | blal | o hai |
| 03:22.08 | muddd | very carefully |
| 03:22.10 | beardy | blal: Stop repeating. |
| 03:22.22 | muddd | is he a troll you guys are tolerating? |
| 03:22.29 | muddd | toying with? |
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| 03:22.39 | InvincibleCory | stfu mud |
| 03:22.46 | InvincibleCory | fuck this |
| 03:22.57 | InvincibleCory | shit |
| 03:23.03 | beardy | backspaces |
| 03:23.10 | beardy | I was going to hand that to you. |
| 03:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | impressive |
| 03:23.43 | muddd | australians are apparently rude |
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| 03:23.54 | blal | some are just slow |
| 03:24.33 | aliases123 | muddd: we are either. |
| 03:24.48 | beardy | That's what.. they said. |
| 03:24.49 | aliases123 | no we want blal to leave. we are not tolerating him. |
| 03:25.10 | aliases123 | if an op would like to remove him if they feel its a required move / good move please do it. |
| 03:25.11 | muddd | heh |
| 03:25.32 | blal | ur violating policy, u should be banned, #debian isnt run by your clique |
| 03:25.41 | blal | ur violating policy, u should be banned, #debian isnt run by your clique |
| 03:25.43 | beardy | aliases123: They would, if so. You'll do best to use /ignore. |
| 03:25.54 | beardy | blal: And you would do best to shut up right now. |
| 03:26.03 | blal | beerdy: no u |
| 03:26.14 | aliases123 | is there are policy that blal has violated so i can request an op ? |
| 03:26.33 | beardy | Stop feeding. |
| 03:26.37 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 03:26.38 | blal | ops dont step concern themselves with petty personality conflicts |
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| 03:26.45 | craigevil | aliases123: just ignore him |
| 03:27.06 | aliases123 | sure sure. however, if he has violated something then we can get him removed and perhaps banned. |
| 03:27.10 | blal | #debian is an environment friendly to users of all skill levels who have serious Debian questions |
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| 03:27.22 | blal | ur dreaming "alias" |
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| 03:27.55 | blal | i wont be banned for your inflamatory behavior. srsly, i want GNUnet. the default Debian config doesnt make sense; need clarity, man |
| 03:28.03 | blal | any takers? |
| 03:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | blal, ask a real question or be silent |
| 03:28.15 | lindenle | Is there a good place to loookup nfs errors? I am getting rpc error message 14. |
| 03:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | blal, /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 03:28.48 | dryrot | lindenle: did you look in dmesg /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog /var/log/daemon.log |
| 03:28.54 | blal | !dpkg ignore CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:28.55 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, CutMeOwnThroat" |
| 03:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and stop playing with the bot |
| 03:29.11 | aliases123 | !op |
| 03:29.13 | blal | plays with the bot |
| 03:29.21 | lindenle | dryrot: the client is an embedded system and it core dumps when this happens |
| 03:29.23 | blal | ur harassing me; check the logs |
| 03:29.26 | lindenle | so i cannot get to the log |
| 03:29.35 | muddd | hmm, /ignore didnt work, i think i used it wrong |
| 03:29.46 | aliases123 | !ops problem toll |
| 03:29.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: aliases123 complains about: problem toll |
| 03:30.09 | aliases123 | i mean troll. oh well. |
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| 03:30.25 | meoblast001 | ppl think im a troll? |
| 03:30.28 | meoblast001 | wait |
| 03:30.29 | meoblast001 | im lost |
| 03:30.31 | meoblast001 | let me read this |
| 03:30.39 | meoblast001 | its highlighted |
| 03:30.45 | blal | no they think ur a bot |
| 03:30.48 | beardy | And where did you come from. |
| 03:30.52 | beardy | !enter |
| 03:30.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:31.08 | blal | !grammar nazi |
| 03:31.09 | meoblast001 | oh wait.. it has my last name in that message |
| 03:31.13 | meoblast001 | thats why it highlighted |
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| 03:31.17 | blal | no entry... |
| 03:31.27 | DarkDrgn2k | Ok i give up, how do i get a mceusb2 working in etch? |
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| 03:32.54 | beardy | DarkDrgn2k: What is a mceusb2? What kind of device? |
| 03:33.32 | DarkDrgn2k | o sorry.. lirc_mceusb2 |
| 03:34.15 | beardy | DarkDrgn2k: Well I still wonder.. some IR dongle? |
| 03:34.30 | DarkDrgn2k | beardy: irc receiver |
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| 03:34.55 | beardy | DarkDrgn2k: And irc in this case is? |
| 03:35.15 | DarkDrgn2k | that would be IR with a c attached.... |
| 03:35.16 | DarkDrgn2k | lmao |
| 03:35.21 | DarkDrgn2k | sorry.. not enought sleep :( |
| 03:35.38 | DarkDrgn2k | lirc_mceusb2 is a usb IR receiver for LIRCD |
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| 03:40.05 | bewpy | is there any programs like winamp for linux? |
| 03:40.13 | Linuturk | bewpy: audacious |
| 03:40.18 | bewpy | lol ok |
| 03:40.20 | bewpy | thanks |
| 03:41.04 | Sling | or vlc, or mplayer, or amarok, or ... |
| 03:41.07 | craigevil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_media_players |
| 03:41.11 | craigevil | take your pick |
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| 03:41.25 | Linuturk | winamp is characterized by looking like xmms |
| 03:41.38 | beardy | DarkDrgn2k: Seems to be tricky indeed. |
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| 03:41.41 | Linuturk | I assumed that's what he meant |
| 03:42.00 | beardy | bewpy: xmms |
| 03:42.57 | Linuturk | xmms is no longer devel'd |
| 03:43.03 | Linuturk | no happiness |
| 03:43.17 | bewpy | one more question |
| 03:43.26 | Linuturk | Australia |
| 03:43.30 | bewpy | is there anyway to make it when a folder is created by a program to not make it protected? |
| 03:43.37 | beardy | xmms2 then |
| 03:43.47 | bewpy | limewire for instance.. it created the shared folder but it made it protected |
| 03:43.53 | bewpy | and i dont wanna chown everytime lol |
| 03:44.08 | Linuturk | that would be a question for the developers of limewire |
| 03:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, /msg dpkg search (even apt-cache search winamp already gives you a choice) |
| 03:44.14 | Linuturk | :) |
| 03:44.18 | bewpy | lol |
| 03:44.27 | bewpy | well it did it when i installed a counter-strike server too |
| 03:44.50 | Linuturk | well, if you ran that command as root . . . |
| 03:45.09 | bewpy | ive had it to that when i wasnt root =/ |
| 03:45.20 | Linuturk | hmm |
| 03:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, what do you mean with "protected"? what did ls -lad yourfile show? |
| 03:46.14 | bewpy | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-10-09 13:30 music |
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| 03:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is that "protected"? |
| 03:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have full access |
| 03:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, root has |
| 03:46.47 | Linuturk | b/c it has root as the owner, and he can't access it logged in as bewpy |
| 03:46.49 | beardy | DarkDrgn2k: The version of the things supporting (or that are, in later versions) is probably not supporting that device very well, from what I gather from forum posts and things, that I'm sure you've read yourself. |
| 03:46.52 | bewpy | it has a lock on the folder, and when i tried to make it the shared folder on limewire |
| 03:46.55 | bewpy | says i have no access to iut |
| 03:46.56 | bewpy | it* |
| 03:47.19 | Tetradebian | I am now using the Debian Etch live cd, how do I install it to my hard disk? |
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| 03:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, you could change roots umask, but that would generally be a bad idea... giving every user full access to all new files root makes |
| 03:47.48 | bewpy | well |
| 03:47.58 | bewpy | this is only my comp so i honestly dont care |
| 03:47.58 | bewpy | lol |
| 03:48.02 | bewpy | no one else uses it |
| 03:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | bewpy, it's not a common problem, chown them to the user or chmod it for rights |
| 03:48.21 | beardy | !d-i Tetradebian |
| 03:48.21 | dpkg | Tetradebian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:48.29 | beardy | Etch livecd? |
| 03:48.42 | Tetradebian | What? |
| 03:48.48 | Tetradebian | I am not downloading another ISO |
| 03:48.48 | Tetradebian | . |
| 03:48.53 | Tetradebian | It took the entire day to get this one. |
| 03:48.56 | bewpy | lol |
| 03:49.00 | bewpy | you had a bad mirror then |
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| 03:49.05 | bewpy | usually only takes 30 mins for me |
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| 03:49.10 | Linuturk | how would I tarball a directory larger than the freespace on my hard drive? is it possible to stream said folder over scp ? |
| 03:49.12 | bewpy | unless you're on dial up =x |
| 03:49.19 | beardy | Tetradebian: What exactly have you got, exact url of what you downloaded please? |
| 03:49.28 | Tetradebian | Why can't I use this cd? |
| 03:49.34 | mimcpher | Man, this conversation is making me major Deja-vu |
| 03:49.38 | beardy | Tetradebian: Because we don't know what it is. |
| 03:50.00 | bewpy | what was the .iso called |
| 03:50.06 | craigevil | where the heck did a etch livecd come from? the debian livecd is lenny |
| 03:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Linuturk, yes, it is |
| 03:50.07 | Linuturk | ie, tar czvf scp host:/path/to/dir folder/to/tar |
| 03:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:50.23 | Linuturk | cept, i know that won't work |
| 03:50.52 | beardy | Linuturk: netcat (cryptcat then?) |
| 03:50.54 | drake3 | when I plugin my usb drive I get an error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
| 03:50.59 | drake3 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:51.20 | Linuturk | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 03:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like tar -cvzf - | ssh somehost cat - > some.tgz # not I never tried this |
| 03:51.36 | Tetradebian | beardy: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-etch-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 03:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the use of cat is probably not a good idea |
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| 03:51.52 | Linuturk | local network only |
| 03:51.55 | Tetradebian | I got a Lenny one too, but that wouldn't fit on the cd. |
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| 03:52.15 | Linuturk | what about sshfs ? |
| 03:52.25 | Linuturk | goes to dig at docs |
| 03:53.11 | Tetradebian | :( |
| 03:53.28 | Tetradebian | beardy? |
| 03:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Linuturk, I only did something like tar -xvzf - | ssh somehost tar -xvzf - # but even then, I didn't use ssh but netcat (didnt see why I would want to encrypt some gigabyte of data) |
| 03:53.38 | beardy | Tetradebian: What kind of network connection do you have? |
| 03:53.49 | Tetradebian | DSL. |
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| 03:54.07 | Linuturk | Tetradebian: bittorrent :) |
| 03:54.10 | beardy | Tetradebian: Use the netinstaller instead. |
| 03:54.14 | drake3 | how do I restart udev? |
| 03:54.35 | beardy | Tetradebian: I don't know if that livecd can install, probably not, and I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 03:55.09 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 03:55.09 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 03:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | with netcat you can do "nc -l -p 9987 > somefile.tgz" on the target machine and tar -cvzf - | nc target.host 9987 on the host where you want to tar |
| 03:55.42 | Tetradebian | I don't want netinstall. |
| 03:55.53 | beardy | Good day to you then. |
| 03:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !udev |
| 03:56.39 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
| 03:56.51 | Tetradebian | Isn't there a proper installation cd? |
| 03:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !udev rules |
| 03:57.00 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 03:57.21 | beardy | Tetradebian: I already gave you that above, then you didn't want another iso. |
| 03:57.29 | beardy | Tetradebian: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 03:57.47 | Tetradebian | Other than the netinstall, I want to install it from a cd. |
| 03:58.03 | beardy | Tetradebian: Get cd1, and install from that then. |
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| 03:58.32 | Tetradebian | Ok, so I don't need to download the others for it to work properly? just cd1? |
| 03:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, ^^ |
| 03:58.53 | beardy | Tetradebian: Depends what things you need to consider it working properly. |
| 03:58.57 | Linuturk | omg, fedora is stupid |
| 03:59.00 | Linuturk | be right back |
| 03:59.01 | Tetradebian | What? |
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| 03:59.16 | Tetradebian | Meaning, will it work without problems? |
| 03:59.20 | beardy | Tetradebian: Packages are placed in order of popularity on the cd:s / dvd:s. |
| 03:59.24 | beardy | Tetradebian: Yes. |
| 03:59.31 | Tetradebian | Ok. |
| 03:59.33 | Tetradebian | Thank you. |
| 03:59.35 | drake3 | ok I think my udev rules were screwed .... hmmm |
| 03:59.45 | drake3 | I had 0666 for usb and usb-fs |
| 04:00.06 | drake3 | was 0664 before I started trying to get VirtualBox-ose to read my usb disk |
| 04:00.13 | drake3 | not knowning it doesn't even support usb :/ |
| 04:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, wow, I'm impressed, he went away happy... didn't think that was possible |
| 04:00.32 | drake3 | god same thing |
| 04:00.34 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh |
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| 04:01.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was such a typical case of "I don't want to do what you suggest, so suggest something else until I can do what is a bad idea but what I want to do" |
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| 04:02.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | resolves to work on his patience |
| 04:02.54 | bewpy | how can i make it so each folder i open doesnt open in a new window |
| 04:03.40 | beardy | Configure what ever GUI filebrowser you are using. |
| 04:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't open a new xterm for every folder... but sometimes it's close |
| 04:05.09 | beardy | !folder |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 04:05.24 | drake3 | where can I find the default permissions.rules ? |
| 04:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, too true |
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| 04:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, it's in package udev |
| 04:07.03 | beardy | drake3: 'locate permissions.rules' /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 04:07.21 | drake3 | are those the default ones? |
| 04:07.35 | beardy | If they are not edited, yes. |
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| 04:07.40 | drake3 | ok |
| 04:07.42 | drake3 | thanks |
| 04:07.49 | drake3 | hopefully this will work |
| 04:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, /msg dpkg search (for finding it yourself) |
| 04:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, and you might do apt-get install udev --reinstall (?) |
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| 04:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you changed the file, that should hopefully overwrite it with the defaults |
| 04:08.50 | iceD[R] | |
| 04:08.51 | iceD[R] | someone compiled gnome 2.24 in debian 4.0? |
| 04:09.11 | iceD[R] | I'm brazilian and not speak english! |
| 04:09.14 | beardy | Probably. |
| 04:09.16 | beardy | !br |
| 04:09.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:09.32 | iceD[R] | OK! Thanks! |
| 04:09.42 | beardy | You're welcome, good luck. |
| 04:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he made a vailant attempt :) if he also understande the answer, we're good :) |
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| 04:11.24 | drake3 | does dpkg get cookies? |
| 04:11.25 | drake3 | dpkg++ |
| 04:11.32 | drake3 | !dpkg++ |
| 04:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceD[R], 1:2.22.2~5 is the newest I see in the repros |
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| 04:12.30 | drake3 | ok |
| 04:12.32 | beardy | !botsnack |
| 04:12.32 | dpkg | thanks, beardy |
| 04:12.33 | drake3 | I'm screwed |
| 04:12.45 | drake3 | same org.freedesktop error thing |
| 04:12.58 | drake3 | ok rules that are in place are in /etc/udev/rules.d right? |
| 04:13.08 | drake3 | specifically 020_permissions.rules right? |
| 04:13.12 | Raoni_ | Hai beardy :D |
| 04:13.17 | beardy | drake3: AFAIK yes. |
| 04:13.23 | drake3 | hmm |
| 04:13.27 | Raoni_ | sorry for this |
| 04:13.27 | beardy | Raoni_: Hello :) |
| 04:13.49 | drake3 | aptitude install udev --reinstall was it? :P |
| 04:14.15 | beardy | !confmiss |
| 04:14.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 04:14.32 | beardy | Hmm, ignore that probably.. |
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| 04:14.46 | beardy | drake3: Yes, something like that. |
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| 04:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, that should install the package again, despite of it already being there... kind of like an update to the same version |
| 04:15.12 | Linuturk | CutMeOwnThroat: sshfs wins |
| 04:15.17 | Linuturk | tar'ing now |
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| 04:15.22 | drake3 | it was not able to locate the file for this package |
| 04:15.23 | drake3 | :/ |
| 04:15.24 | bunnyto | . |
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| 04:15.41 | drake3 | I'm connected to the internet |
| 04:15.43 | drake3 | though |
| 04:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, now I figured... |
| 04:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !info gnome |
| 04:15.55 | mahesh | Can anyone please include 2.6.24 headers in the online repo |
| 04:15.56 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.22.2~5 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 04:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the chappie's already gone |
| 04:16.32 | eddyyy | i installed debian with the netinstall image and the network didn't work.. i was trying to uncompress the driver for my ethernet but when i use 'su' and then 'gunzip -f filename.tar.gz' it still says permission denied.. why's that? |
| 04:16.42 | mahesh | linux-headers-2.6.24... They are not there and Lenny installs it by default. |
| 04:16.54 | drake3 | ok guys |
| 04:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddyyy, mount / -o remount,rw |
| 04:17.06 | drake3 | it says files for udev are missing, this problem has to be fixed manually |
| 04:17.11 | drake3 | aptitude |
| 04:17.20 | eddyyy | the partition is already mounted with rw |
| 04:17.47 | beardy | eddyyy: That's not how to untar a tar archive compressed with gzip. |
| 04:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddyyy, then you tried to untar on a different partition (?) |
| 04:18.04 | eddyyy | how do you do it beardy? |
| 04:18.07 | eddyyy | no |
| 04:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, oh... haha.. didnt see the obvious |
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| 04:18.22 | beardy | eddyyy: 'tar xvzf filename.tar.gz' |
| 04:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, but it should still have worked |
| 04:18.57 | eddyyy | it should, shouldn't it? |
| 04:19.05 | drake3 | oh unable to fetch file |
| 04:19.12 | drake3 | I guess I need a sources.list update |
| 04:19.12 | beardy | eddyyy: And many variations in how you give the options.. but yes, it should, that's true. |
| 04:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it wouldn't have done what you *wanted* but it shouldn't have given you permission denied |
| 04:19.27 | beardy | eddyyy: Were you really root? |
| 04:19.34 | eddyyy | yep.. i typed su |
| 04:19.54 | beardy | eddyyy: Or rather.. why did you have to be root just to untar? |
| 04:19.56 | eddyyy | i'm sure i was root cause i also edited grub's menu.lst and fstab |
| 04:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ro partition... believe me |
| 04:20.14 | eddyyy | cause when i'm not root it doesn't even let me use tar gzip etc |
| 04:20.27 | wols | when did I time out? |
| 04:20.28 | eddyyy | it says 'can't execute binaries' or something like that |
| 04:20.40 | beardy | eddyyy: Was this in the installed system, or when having the installer booted? |
| 04:20.55 | wols | oops. beardy you are in the wrong place :) |
| 04:20.57 | eddyyy | no.. the installed system |
| 04:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, ca. 2 hours ago |
| 04:21.13 | beardy | wols: I am? |
| 04:21.17 | eddyyy | but it's very very minimal, since it's netinstall and the ethx driver didn't work |
| 04:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, actually, it's a bit funny |
| 04:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- wols has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 04:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- wols_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 04:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 20 minutes between those messages |
| 04:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... _ |
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| 04:23.18 | eddyyy | well... i'm just gonna give up and get the dvd image |
| 04:23.22 | mahesh | Excuse me, can anyone please add linux header file 2.6.24 onto the online repo |
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| 04:24.11 | beardy | mahesh: File a bug if you think it is necessary. You can't make requests like that here. |
| 04:24.48 | beardy | Or well, the chance of the right person listening is very small. |
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| 04:25.44 | mahesh | ?then can u just tell me, if i have installed2.6.26 kernel image over 24 how am i supposed to boot with the new kernel |
| 04:25.46 | eddyyy | beardy.. do you have any idea for my problem? |
| 04:26.17 | drake3 | ok this is hopeless |
| 04:26.21 | drake3 | I reinstall udev |
| 04:26.22 | drake3 | same error |
| 04:26.30 | eddyyy | or why it doesn't it let me use programs when i'm not root? |
| 04:26.57 | mahesh | eddyyy:can u tell what pgm u tried to run |
| 04:27.20 | beardy | eddyyy: It is probably only half installed, your user maybe not created yet? It sounds a bit strange.. |
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| 04:27.47 | eddyyy | not really mahesh |
| 04:27.50 | beardy | mahesh: To boot a kernel, you don't need the headers. |
| 04:28.12 | beardy | mahesh: When you install a newer kernel package, the old kernel is not removed. |
| 04:28.29 | mahesh | i needed headers to install some other pkg |
| 04:28.48 | eddyyy | i'm sure it's half installed.. when netinstall is used and network doesn't work =\ |
| 04:29.00 | beardy | mahesh: If it is a Debian stock kernel, it's headers is there. If this is unstable, you should not even ask. |
| 04:29.05 | massmc | I need help please... to get the wireless working in my laptop |
| 04:29.23 | mahesh | ya, the new image doesnt replace the old, so how to run with new kernel |
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| 04:30.37 | wols | massmc: what wlan chipset? |
| 04:30.48 | wols | massmc: you choose the new kernel on bootup |
| 04:30.58 | beardy | eddyyy: Yes. I don't recall what is done, and where.. but, was a user created? I guess so if you could login and run su.. Well, what kind of network card is that? |
| 04:31.20 | beardy | massmc: You choose it in the grub menu. |
| 04:31.37 | wols | mahesh: you choose the new kernel on bootup |
| 04:32.04 | eddyyy | a realtek r8111.. something like that.. i had trouble with it in ubuntu too.. the r8169 driver that debian and ubuntu use doesn't work with it |
| 04:32.55 | wols | eddyyy: what does it say when you modprobe it? what's in dmesg for it? |
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| 04:33.33 | eddyyy | sorry.. i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 04:33.48 | eddyyy | i'm kindda noob, i shouldn't even try use that pure-bones install |
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| 04:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, er - these headers are of course present (?) |
| 04:34.29 | drake3 | do you think copying over /etc/udev from knoppix is a good idea? :P |
| 04:34.31 | massmc | wols, i just installed a fresh debian, so how do i find the chipset in shell? |
| 04:34.37 | wols | drake3: very stupid |
| 04:34.50 | wols | massmc: lspci |
| 04:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you already said that |
| 04:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is behind in reading |
| 04:35.38 | massmc | wols, pro/wireless 3945ABG |
| 04:35.46 | beardy | eddyyy: Have a try with installing without network, and set it up afterwards. |
| 04:35.52 | wols | massmc: and what kernel? uname -a |
| 04:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, if the result is desasterous enough, you can still blog about it somewhere :-P |
| 04:35.59 | wols | what version to be exact |
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| 04:36.18 | massmc | 2.6.18.6.686 |
| 04:36.20 | wols | drake3: purge udev the reinstall it |
| 04:36.22 | massmc | wols |
| 04:36.30 | beardy | eddyyy: Will probably be the easiest way for you. Then you will atleast get a working base system. |
| 04:36.32 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 04:36.32 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 04:37.01 | eddyyy | that was basically what i did, beardy, since the network didn't work.. but i'm now downloading the cd.. |
| 04:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | drake3, oh - he's right.. that file was in /etc/, so just a reinstall won't do it... sorry, I forgot |
| 04:37.09 | wols | eddyyy: use an etchnhalf installer. your chip won't work with 2.6.18 |
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| 04:37.27 | beardy | eddyyy: Listen to wols. |
| 04:37.28 | wols | eddyyy: what kernel did you use? |
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| 04:38.28 | beardy | The one on the etch netinstall most likely. |
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| 04:38.42 | beardy | !etchnhalf |
| 04:38.42 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 04:38.57 | wols | eddyyy: which installer did you use? |
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| 04:40.00 | eddyyy | got it today from debian.org |
| 04:40.20 | eddyyy | debian-40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso is the name of the image |
| 04:40.20 | wols | eddyyy: that doesn't answer my question. it has a version number this installer iso. a filename |
| 04:40.40 | wols | eddyyy: that one doesn't work. see the etchnhalf factoid above |
| 04:41.07 | drake3 | does my username have to be in a specific group for using usb? |
| 04:41.22 | wols | drake3: yes and no. possibly plugdev |
| 04:41.23 | drake3 | specifically usb keys |
| 04:41.26 | eddyyy | will it work if i install with the big cd image and install the driver i have here that worked on ubuntu 8.04? |
| 04:41.27 | drake3 | ok |
| 04:41.47 | wols | eddyyy: no |
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| 04:41.57 | beardy | eddyyy: Etchnhalf is newer, the cd:s or dvd:s will not work either. |
| 04:42.13 | beardy | eddyyy: So go with etchnhalf netinstall. |
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| 04:42.53 | massmc | wols, i done that and i got a fatal error module not found |
| 04:43.12 | eddyyy | this: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 04:43.40 | massmc | FATAL: module ipw3945 not found. |
| 04:43.52 | wols | massmc: you did WHAT? |
| 04:43.54 | miniteman | I am trying to install unzip using apt-get install unzip and I am getting errors .. the message says try apt-get -f install but even after this I am not getting any luck |
| 04:43.56 | EagleSn | beta 2 installer for lenny is broken for me |
| 04:44.03 | wols | !tell miniteman about errors |
| 04:44.17 | massmc | wols, aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945 |
| 04:44.18 | beardy | eddyyy: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
| 04:44.25 | wols | EagleSn: didn't you read the big fat "BETA"? |
| 04:44.41 | wols | massmc: dpkg -l | grep ipw39 |
| 04:44.43 | beardy | eddyyy: amd64 it was, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:45.06 | EagleSn | yes: BETA: testing software, it could not working well |
| 04:45.24 | wols | !tell EagleSn about doesn't work |
| 04:45.27 | massmc | wols, just a new command line |
| 04:45.37 | wols | massmc: then you haven't installed anything |
| 04:45.49 | eddyyy | hm.. ok 10 minutes to go.. |
| 04:45.57 | wols | massmc: if there is an error you gotta look. not just ignore it |
| 04:46.04 | wols | massmc: and there was an error you ignored |
| 04:46.18 | massmc | ok, think i need to edit sources.lest |
| 04:46.19 | wols | massmc: did you add non-free and contrib? |
| 04:46.25 | massmc | i'll try again, thanks wols |
| 04:46.59 | wols | eddyyy: can't you decide on one nick? |
| 04:47.04 | EagleSn | I cannot run the installer, it seems to have problems with IDE controllers for CD-ROM, CD-ROM does not boot at all |
| 04:47.11 | eddyyy | sorry about that.. |
| 04:48.54 | eddyyy | is it true that you have to install grub in the windows hdX in orther for it to work when dual booting xp/linux? cause that's the only way it worked here |
| 04:49.11 | wols | eddyyy: it's not |
| 04:49.19 | eddyyy | installing on the drive that had linux just wouldn't boot windows |
| 04:49.27 | wols | you have to insta## it to the MBR of the first BIOS drive the bios boots from |
| 04:49.32 | beardy | eddyyy: No, but it's easier to boot with a bootloader. |
| 04:49.55 | beardy | Oh, I misread. |
| 04:50.10 | eddyyy | also.. whenever i'm in an installed system, one hd is hd1 and the other hd0, but for grub hd0 is always the one it's installed in |
| 04:50.11 | beardy | What wols said. |
| 04:50.13 | eddyyy | is it normal? |
| 04:50.29 | wols | yes it's normal. read what I just said about your BIOS |
| 04:50.50 | eddyyy | i know that.. but i tried changing the boot order |
| 04:51.03 | massmc | wols, where do i find the sources.list and how do i become root in the file browser to change it |
| 04:51.15 | eddyyy | that's the only way i got it to work here, installing on the windows hard drive |
| 04:51.21 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 04:51.21 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 04:51.28 | wols | massmc: you run the filebrowser as root. /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:51.48 | beardy | massmc: You should start learning to use a terminal, right now. |
| 04:51.58 | EagleSn | anybody have tested this install way? http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 04:52.04 | infinity2 | whats the easiest way to convert a process you know the string to a pid # |
| 04:52.15 | wols | EagleSn: tons of people. yes it works. no it's not supported here4 |
| 04:52.19 | beardy | infinity2: 'pidof foo' |
| 04:52.43 | EagleSn | wols any channel supporting it? |
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| 04:53.02 | wols | EagleSn: I don't think. they have a forum |
| 04:53.09 | EagleSn | is that installation method based on win32-loader package? |
| 04:53.27 | wols | EagleSn: we are atalking about it right now |
| 04:54.00 | infinity2 | beardy: hmm ..i need to grab the param of the proccess to identify it |
| 04:54.22 | infinity2 | beardy: vmware-vmx blahblah.vmx |
| 04:54.33 | infinity2 | guess awk |
| 04:54.47 | infinity2 | ps aux+ grep+awk |
| 04:54.58 | beardy | infinity2: or cut, and so on, yes. |
| 04:55.22 | drake3 | note to self: never load any kernel modules for virtual machine programs, change config files or trust forums on the Internet |
| 04:55.36 | drake3 | I'm reinstalling Debian :( |
| 04:55.37 | infinity2 | drake3: hehe. |
| 04:55.44 | infinity2 | drake3: what? that bad? |
| 04:55.48 | beardy | drake3: Remember to make backups too. |
| 04:55.49 | drake3 | I swear |
| 04:55.57 | drake3 | I am actually backing up my home dir |
| 04:56.10 | beardy | drake3: Write down any changes you make. Copy a config file before editing. |
| 04:56.25 | drake3 | God never use qemu or virtualbox |
| 04:56.29 | drake3 | I mean I respect their efforts |
| 04:56.35 | drake3 | but they're far from being vmware |
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| 04:56.44 | eddyyy | how do you install a .bundle file? |
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| 04:56.57 | drake3 | I never had this much problems with vmware 6.0 |
| 04:57.06 | beardy | eddyyy: What are you installing? |
| 04:57.08 | drake3 | I could share network interfaces with a few clicks |
| 04:57.16 | drake3 | and I could use my usb devices no problem |
| 04:57.22 | drake3 | gee |
| 04:57.23 | infinity2 | drake3: what did you install? |
| 04:57.26 | eddyyy | i'm not.. i had vmware here, the trial, and their instructions didn't work |
| 04:57.46 | drake3 | virtualbox-ose, to being with before realizing what a pain it was to share NICs and it didn't support USB. |
| 04:57.48 | eddyyy | it was a .bundle file.. they offer .bundle and .rpm |
| 04:57.54 | drake3 | then moved to qemu |
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| 04:58.01 | drake3 | before realizing my CPU didn't support KVM |
| 04:58.12 | drake3 | and it couldn't read any USB device attached |
| 04:58.17 | wols | drake3: use the PUEL virtualbox and you have USB |
| 04:58.22 | drake3 | and on both I couldn't mount my virtual volumes for **** |
| 04:58.23 | beardy | drake3: Only use virtualbox on win32 here.. but it works nicely for me, GUI configured. |
| 04:58.36 | drake3 | virtualbox-*ose* |
| 04:58.44 | drake3 | the 'free' one |
| 04:58.47 | wols | drake3: I know that what you used |
| 04:58.50 | wols | it is free. GPL |
| 04:59.01 | drake3 | feels like shooting self in head |
| 04:59.07 | infinity2 | drake3: ahh ..there is a virtualbox package |
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| 04:59.13 | drake3 | no I have till tomorrow to finish my EWB assignment |
| 04:59.20 | wols | but vbox is the best one if you want it cheap. ie not paying, there is |
| 04:59.20 | drake3 | now* |
| 04:59.34 | infinity2 | drake3: virtual box sux. use vmwar |
| 04:59.40 | drake3 | I think I'm gonna try vmmware player + server now |
| 04:59.45 | wols | infinity2: vmware is not supported and costs money |
| 04:59.53 | infinity2 | wols: vmware server is free |
| 04:59.57 | eddyyy | wols, i'm burning the image here.. if it doesn't work i'm gonna hunt you down and kick your ass =P |
| 05:00.02 | beardy | !free |
| 05:00.02 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 05:00.03 | infinity2 | wols: and its better than vbox in many ways |
| 05:00.11 | drake3 | remember when you're saying 'free' in this channel |
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| 05:00.18 | wols | infinity2: I used all three and I disagree |
| 05:00.28 | infinity2 | debian is free. air is free. shit. winXP is free if you ask me :) |
| 05:00.33 | wols | drake3: that's why I said "not paying" duh! |
| 05:00.37 | beardy | We don't. |
| 05:00.41 | drake3 | :D |
| 05:00.53 | wols | infinity2: you already shown what kinda guy you are. no more questions. goodbye |
| 05:00.53 | drake3 | I meant infinity2 |
| 05:01.04 | infinity2 | wols: :) |
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| 05:01.28 | drake3 | wols, I bet he's just joking around |
| 05:01.41 | wols | drake3: then he's a joking moron |
| 05:01.49 | just_asking_a_qu | i've installed libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, and several media players still won't read disks |
| 05:01.58 | drake3 | wols, naw... |
| 05:01.59 | wols | !tell just_asking_a_qu about errors |
| 05:02.04 | just_asking_a_qu | vlc actually displays the disk menu, but the video is jumbled |
| 05:02.04 | infinity2 | wols: i don't see why my opinion make me a moron.. |
| 05:02.15 | drake3 | I mean I could say the same things right now because I'm frustrated |
| 05:02.20 | wols | infinity2: please stop talking to me or I have to add you to my ignore list |
| 05:02.20 | drake3 | but I guess it's ok |
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| 05:02.33 | enyawix | thanks for all the cool help i am installing debian now I found .deb for kde 4.1.2 for debian stable :) |
| 05:02.35 | infinity2 | wols: umm... and i care because? |
| 05:02.47 | just_asking_a_qu | it just decided to work |
| 05:02.58 | just_asking_a_qu | ARNING[ogle_mpeg_ps]: Found a scrambled PES packet! (1) |
| 05:02.58 | just_asking_a_qu | WARNING[ogle_mpeg_ps]: Found a scrambled PES packet! (1) |
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| 05:03.16 | beardy | Woho. |
| 05:03.18 | drake3 | I'll say again virtualbox and qemu are great.... but vmmware player+server just has better side tools :P |
| 05:03.32 | drake3 | mountvmdk etc. |
| 05:03.40 | infinity2 | drake3: anyway. you have my take. i've played with many of the VM's about a year ago and to me vmware was the best |
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| 05:04.00 | eddyyy | seeya |
| 05:04.15 | beardy | Good luck with the install eddyyy. |
| 05:04.23 | eddyyy | thank you! i'll need it =) |
| 05:04.25 | infinity2 | drake3: yep. tools made vmware the winner. vbox was too hard to configure anything. i would have had to write a ton of scripts to make it usable |
| 05:04.30 | infinity2 | er it as in vbox |
| 05:04.35 | infinity2 | vbox was 2nd place |
| 05:04.57 | drake3 | for example to share NICs I have to set up brdiging? aww... c'mon |
| 05:05.02 | Raekism | when I went to format my 319 GB with Reiserfs using Debian and it failed. Using Ext3 it worked. Sata drive and doing this during an install. Anyone know the deal? |
| 05:05.05 | drake3 | I did it with vmware-config.pl |
| 05:05.10 | drake3 | bunch of keys pressed |
| 05:05.12 | drake3 | and bam! |
| 05:05.20 | wols | Raekism: fails have errors |
| 05:05.22 | infinity2 | drake3: yea. i still have a production server with that crap config :) ...because it was going to be a vbox server |
| 05:05.26 | dryrot | infinity2: i had to write 2 5 line scripts to get vbox to work right. i barely survived |
| 05:05.31 | wols | drake3: do you have a debian support question? |
| 05:05.47 | drake3 | well 'had' |
| 05:05.48 | beardy | drake3, infinity2 : Continue in #debian-offtopic if you must please. |
| 05:06.02 | drake3 | yeah ok |
| 05:06.17 | Raekism | just saided /fail |
| 05:06.25 | infinity2 | maybe if the debian maintainer included a bunch of contrib scripts |
| 05:06.26 | Raekism | not sure where it would have wrote too |
| 05:06.31 | infinity2 | maybe i should file a wishlist |
| 05:06.40 | drake3 | ok ok 1 question though |
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| 05:06.54 | drake3 | how do I install vmware player+server? :P ... I used vmware back in the gentoo days |
| 05:07.01 | wols | Raekism: unless we have an error message we can't help you. reiser can use 320GB just fine normally |
| 05:07.09 | drake3 | infinity2, do you know? |
| 05:07.11 | Raekism | gotcha |
| 05:07.11 | wols | vmware |
| 05:07.12 | infinity2 | drake3: ./install (or whatever the script is) |
| 05:07.16 | wols | !vmware |
| 05:07.16 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 05:07.17 | Raekism | I will let you know |
| 05:07.19 | pgpkeys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2g8mXU7MA |
| 05:07.24 | infinity2 | drake3: oh. vmware server and player? I dunno. i just use server |
| 05:07.25 | infinity2 | sorry |
| 05:07.30 | wols | pgpkeys: don't |
| 05:07.36 | pgpkeys | ok |
| 05:07.41 | drake3 | wols, even player + server? |
| 05:07.50 | wols | drake3: is it in debian? |
| 05:07.55 | drake3 | yeah |
| 05:08.09 | drake3 | there's the workstation one... and I can understand that not being avail |
| 05:08.31 | drake3 | if it's not, it's ok I'll use other means :P |
| 05:08.38 | wols | drake3: look at vmware-package |
| 05:08.48 | drake3 | kay |
| 05:08.53 | infinity2 | wholy shit. i never knew there was open-vm-tools |
| 05:08.54 | infinity2 | package |
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| 05:09.06 | infinity2 | sweet! |
| 05:09.13 | Sisco | rawr! |
| 05:09.40 | zeno__ | hello, would it be technically possible to switch from ubuntu 8.10 to debian desting via dist-upgrade? |
| 05:09.56 | beardy | zeno__: No. |
| 05:10.23 | zeno__ | beardy: why not? |
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| 05:10.35 | infinity2 | drake3: ever use vmware-package? looks a little legacy |
| 05:10.38 | wols | zeno__: cause it's different distros |
| 05:10.46 | drake3 | infinity2. no was about to |
| 05:11.05 | zeno__ | wols: well you can apparently go the other way http://pastebin.com/m758b00d1 |
| 05:11.12 | beardy | zeno__: It would also be a downgrade. |
| 05:11.17 | beardy | zeno__: Irrelevant. |
| 05:11.18 | drake3 | infinity2, can you see for if you can 1. mount virtual hdd 2. or use USB 3. or share NIC? |
| 05:11.28 | drake3 | see for me* |
| 05:11.30 | beardy | zeno__: Downgrade, as in versions. |
| 05:11.42 | zeno__ | ah, ok |
| 05:11.42 | wols | zeno__: that's a lot of bullshit. no one in #ubuntu will help you with that stupid way |
| 05:11.47 | drake3 | I'm stucking with backing up ~3GB :( |
| 05:11.51 | drake3 | stuck* |
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| 05:12.14 | zeno__ | wols: well someone did it, why wouldnt the other way be possible |
| 05:12.15 | drake3 | thankfully this 10-base network seems quiet so I have it all to myself :P |
| 05:12.37 | drake3 | a.k.a my brother isn't watching youtube -_- |
| 05:12.41 | infinity2 | drake3: no handy vmware-server boxes. all at work |
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| 05:12.53 | beardy | zeno__: Everything is possible. But it is not supported or encouraged anywhere. |
| 05:13.02 | wols | zeno__: of course it's "possible". anything is. but no debian user or this channel will support it. so if you do it, do it and figure it out for your own |
| 05:13.08 | drake3 | if the mount utility still works that would be fantastimazing |
| 05:13.13 | zeno__ | k |
| 05:14.03 | drake3 | infinity2, you don't have an ssh accept point into work? o_O |
| 05:14.08 | drake3 | access* |
| 05:14.20 | drake3 | or vlan |
| 05:14.27 | drake3 | not to be asking too much :D |
| 05:14.34 | infinity2 | drake3: i do, but umm ...running vmware-client over vpn sux :) |
| 05:14.41 | drake3 | ;D |
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| 05:15.06 | drake3 | ahh yes, backup almost odne |
| 05:15.07 | drake3 | done* |
| 05:15.13 | drake3 | thank you Ethernet |
| 05:15.29 | drake3 | but honestly, out of all distros, I'd never chose anything else |
| 05:15.31 | drake3 | Debian rules |
| 05:15.47 | infinity2 | drake3: uhhh ..duu! |
| 05:15.48 | infinity2 | heh |
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| 05:16.04 | infinity2 | drake3: i might run ubuntu on the desktop |
| 05:16.04 | drake3 | recalls his time wasting Gentoo days |
| 05:16.10 | drake3 | biggest mistake of my life |
| 05:16.22 | infinity2 | drake3: but i won't run linux as a desktop, so... i'll never know. heh |
| 05:16.38 | drake3 | remember kids, trying to look elite is a two sided sword |
| 05:16.43 | infinity2 | drake3: thanks. i've never tried it. i guess i won't for sure now. |
| 05:16.49 | infinity2 | drake3: lol |
| 05:16.54 | infinity2 | eLiTe |
| 05:17.01 | infinity2 | or whatever the foo's do |
| 05:17.27 | infinity2 | drake3: and to think i was in the "scene" when BBS's were cool. hah |
| 05:17.38 | drake3 | no the scene was ok |
| 05:17.43 | drake3 | I was in the demo/cracker scene too |
| 05:17.47 | drake3 | back in the Amiga days |
| 05:18.01 | drake3 | I'm talking about whipping dead horses |
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| 05:18.29 | infinity2 | drake3: that was prolly before me. a hacked USR sportster was the shit at one point |
| 05:18.35 | drake3 | let me put it this way, you're probably better off bootstrapping your own OS coded in asm than getting Gentoo to do anything useful |
| 05:18.56 | infinity2 | drake3: no way. are you sure. it can't be that bad! |
| 05:19.01 | beardy | Guys, #debian-offtopic. |
| 05:19.10 | drake3 | ok let's go debian offtopic |
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| 05:19.19 | infinity2 | k |
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| 05:23.41 | eddyyy | =\ |
| 05:24.27 | eddyyy | didn't work the etchnahalf |
| 05:24.32 | eddyyy | but it's a funny name |
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| 05:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... "upgrading" from ubuntu to debian and vice versa... what a nice idea :) |
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| 05:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I ever desperatly need trouble I'll take it into consideration |
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| 05:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | is xulrunner-stub supposed to use 455m of memory? |
| 05:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and amarokapp 170m? |
| 05:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | (VIRT... else it's 355m // 30m) |
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| 05:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'll continue his monologue in a couple of minutes, if nobody's willing to say something |
| 05:38.35 | Raekism | Can someone help me please |
| 05:38.36 | eddyyy | me? |
| 05:38.41 | Linuturk | something |
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| 05:39.01 | eddyyy | i'm not really upgrading from ubuntu, i just didn't like it |
| 05:39.11 | craigevil | CutMeOwnThroat: amarok is a greedy app as is iceweasel |
| 05:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so |
| 05:39.26 | Linuturk | doesn't mix kde and gnome |
| 05:39.43 | craigevil | thats about normal for amarok and for iceweasel if its been open for a while with multiple tabs |
| 05:39.52 | Raekism | I install Lenny Debian to a 320 GB sata drive.....I made the partitions /sda1 boot at 100 MB /sda2 2 GB Swap and the rest /sda3 for / install. I used Grub. When the install is done it boots up and says loading Grub then Error 22. |
| 05:39.55 | Raekism | Any clue? |
| 05:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | only started thinking about it because I encounter a sudden ... slowness |
| 05:40.35 | eddyyy | 2gb swap? i was told you barely need swap if you have lots of ram |
| 05:40.47 | craigevil | it doesnt hurt to have swap |
| 05:41.08 | eddyyy | i use 512 here =P |
| 05:41.21 | Raekism | I have 4 GB RAM |
| 05:41.23 | eddyyy | at most |
| 05:41.37 | Linuturk | the only rule of swap I have is with laptops |
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| 05:42.01 | Linuturk | more than ram, so I can hibernate |
| 05:42.24 | eddyyy | you need less than 1gb to hibernate usually, right? |
| 05:42.39 | craigevil | depends on what apps you have open |
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| 05:42.47 | eddyyy | you can always close some =P |
| 05:42.52 | Linuturk | since hibernation copies RAM to your swap . . . you need to have swap >= RAM |
| 05:42.59 | craigevil | Raekism: try this using a liveccd> recover grub from live-cd: sudo mount /media/sdxx ; then: sudo /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/media/sdxx /dev/sda |
| 05:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raekism, did you google what grub error 22 means? |
| 05:43.06 | liable_ | .window close 14 |
| 05:43.11 | liable_ | doh |
| 05:43.18 | Raekism | googling it now |
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| 05:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable_, ok, I'm going to close it :) |
| 05:43.26 | Raekism | all different things |
| 05:43.37 | liable_ | CutMeOwnThroat: good, its getting cold in here |
| 05:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
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| 05:44.17 | craigevil | hehe lots of ubuntu threads about "grub error 22" |
| 05:44.36 | Raekism | yea |
| 05:44.41 | Raekism | I have another drive in there |
| 05:44.47 | eddyyy | if this cd install doesn't work this time i'm just gonna stick with windows only =P |
| 05:44.50 | Raekism | wonder if it has anything to do with it |
| 05:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but didn's see any useful one |
| 05:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... the error is that you're using ubuntu :-P |
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| 05:48.33 | craigevil | that will do it |
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| 05:49.08 | craigevil | Danger will robinson danger... ubuntu installed :P sorry Ot |
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| 05:49.27 | eddyyy | is ubuntu that bad? |
| 05:49.46 | litwol|mac | hmm |
| 05:50.31 | Linuturk | eddyyy: depends on your perspective |
| 05:50.39 | Linuturk | and, your purpose eddyyy |
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| 05:51.33 | eddyyy | i found it slow |
| 05:52.13 | eddyyy | firefox is slow, flash in firefox is slow, video playback is slow.. even without compiz it was still not as fast as windows |
| 05:52.29 | eddyyy | it uses less RAM though |
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| 05:52.41 | jim_p | hello guys |
| 05:53.17 | jim_p | i noticed today that my ntfs partitions have a uuid of 16 letters, while the ext3 one has ~32. plus i cant find the uuid of the swap partition. is all this normal? any file is at your disposal |
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| 05:56.07 | jim_p | anyone?! |
| 05:57.15 | Linuturk | hides in the closet |
| 05:57.35 | eddyyy | come out Linuturk, stop fooling yourself =P |
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| 05:59.01 | Linuturk | locks the door |
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| 05:59.49 | Linuturk | Me and Tom Cruise aren't coming out. |
| 06:00.43 | jim_p | some help anyone |
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| 06:05.27 | eddyyy | i'm gonna go try again.. hopefully i'll come back here on irssi |
| 06:06.02 | badserii | Hi. I entered the centos site: http://www.centos.org/ , and on the first page there's an article: "Impact of the Debian OpenSSL vulnerability". For me it sounds like cheap propaganda - they have nothing to do than to prevent users from using Debian. My question is: Is there really a vulnerability, and was it solved already? I'm using Debian Stable on a server. Thank you. |
| 06:06.54 | pgpkeys | it's been handled |
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| 06:07.34 | litwol|mac | how does one make apt-get install suggest package spelling as i type it (once i hit TAB ) ? |
| 06:07.47 | stew | badserii: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 06:07.58 | stew | litwol|mac: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 06:08.25 | badserii | pgpkeys and litwol|mac: thank you |
| 06:08.33 | litwol|mac | stew: thanks |
| 06:08.46 | pgpkeys | thank stew. he gave you the exact answer. I jsut did the generality |
| 06:08.48 | litwol|mac | deb:~$ source /etc/bash_completion |
| 06:08.49 | litwol|mac | sh: `_debconf-show': not a valid identifier |
| 06:10.02 | litwol|mac | stew: do i need to put a reference to this in .bashrc so it is called automatically ? |
| 06:11.13 | stew | litwol|mac: yeah, i'd think there would be one there already that is just commented out |
| 06:11.53 | litwol|mac | stew: i think i created my user in some weird way, he didnt have a home directory when i created him using useradd |
| 06:11.54 | litwol|mac | :-p |
| 06:11.59 | litwol|mac | i am very new to this |
| 06:12.12 | litwol|mac | i had to copy bashrc files from root at first |
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| 06:12.19 | litwol|mac | which have no ref to that |
| 06:12.27 | stew | litwol|mac: yeah, you should be using adduser, not useradd |
| 06:12.32 | litwol|mac | oho! |
| 06:12.38 | litwol|mac | mans |
| 06:12.48 | stew | litwol|mac: (which would have copied the contents of /etc/skel to a home directory for you) |
| 06:13.28 | litwol|mac | stew: oho! very good info |
| 06:13.37 | litwol|mac | deletes the user and recreates it |
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| 06:17.44 | Linuturk | pokes his network |
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| 06:19.28 | liable | cool, server upgrade to lenny went without a hitch |
| 06:19.37 | Sisco | I installed the netinst debian, how do I install ssh server on it? |
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| 06:21.14 | litwol|mac | hmm |
| 06:21.30 | litwol|mac | debian's default apache2 install does not include apachectl ? |
| 06:21.35 | peterrooney | Sisco: aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 06:21.55 | peterrooney | Sisco: and edit the conf file |
| 06:22.31 | Sisco | where is the config? |
| 06:22.55 | litwol|mac | nm i found it |
| 06:22.57 | peterrooney | Sisco: dpkg -L <packagename> will answer that question for almost ANY debian package |
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| 06:30.30 | smellydog | Hi, I noticed there is a libcurses.a and a libcurses.so in /usr/lib, which will be linked if I use -lcurses? |
| 06:32.22 | drake3 | ok my debian-multimedia.org line in my sources.list is outdated |
| 06:32.26 | drake3 | what's the new one? |
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| 06:35.36 | Lagbolt | drake3, what is your line? |
| 06:35.57 | drake3 | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 06:36.19 | Lagbolt | how is that outdated? |
| 06:36.24 | drake3 | it's not? :P |
| 06:36.27 | Lagbolt | !tell drake3 about debian-multimedia |
| 06:36.28 | drake3 | ok nevermind |
| 06:36.37 | Lagbolt | thats what i have :) |
| 06:36.44 | drake3 | kay |
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| 06:42.33 | |niko| | I want to install Debian with as much of it in encrypted LVM2 logical volumes as possible. |
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| 06:42.49 | |niko| | Do I just need /boot directory on a primary partition with no encryption? |
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| 06:56.25 | ogzy | i was trying to create a deb package and i made something wrong and now i am not able to remove it because it was always looking at some files which are not already there, how can i make the dpkg remove although some errors, i had fixed the package and tried reinstalling but still feeling to remove that unexisted files, i touched the files but one of them still is removed during the installation somehow so any deb packager here to help? |
| 06:56.28 | cmanns | How do I get the kernel headers again? |
| 06:56.50 | shanky | hi |
| 06:56.54 | Appiah | apt-get install kernel-headers ? |
| 06:57.37 | shanky | I'm trying to install 915resolution package in lenny |
| 06:58.05 | Appiah | or it called linux-image-kernel-headers |
| 06:58.18 | Appiah | try searching with apt-cache |
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| 07:00.06 | cmanns | ah |
| 07:00.41 | craigevil | apt-get install linux-headers-(uname-r) i think will get you the proper headers if not its something along those lines |
| 07:01.08 | cmanns | yeah thats what I did |
| 07:01.14 | cmanns | tryin to install virtualbox |
| 07:01.37 | cmanns | I hope the kernel it creates doesnt lock the system on boot :( its a remote server |
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| 07:06.05 | cmanns | Any of ya used Xming from a windows host to a deb server? |
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| 07:07.37 | Nazcafan | hello |
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| 07:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ogzy, dpkg --force-help |
| 07:08.22 | Nazcafan | when I use lspci, I get the set of drivers that I can use for a given device, but I can not see a similar information for lsusb, is there a way to get it? |
| 07:08.25 | litwol|mac | i got my first debian server up and running. yey. now i would like to secure it. may some one point me in the direct of good documentation regarding this ? |
| 07:09.00 | bbinotto | hi my server crashes every morning 4am and i don't know why. A deep hardware check found nothing. No special cronjob is configured at that time. Log files do show anything, what can i do? |
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| 07:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | bbinotto, is the cleaning woman coming at that time? :) |
| 07:09.50 | craigevil | litwol|mac: harden-doc - Useful documentation to secure a Debian system |
| 07:10.11 | bbinotto | CutMeOwnThroat: no;) the server is in a big computer center |
| 07:10.57 | litwol|mac | craigevil: ty |
| 07:11.08 | linostar | litwol|mac: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 07:11.32 | litwol|mac | oi vei |
| 07:11.35 | litwol|mac | what a long read |
| 07:11.41 | litwol|mac | i guess i have no choice |
| 07:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure have |
| 07:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | security is for ninnies |
| 07:11.59 | litwol|mac | :-p |
| 07:12.03 | litwol|mac | how about this approach : |
| 07:12.13 | litwol|mac | i would like to go on total lockdown with exceptions |
| 07:12.29 | litwol|mac | would that offer maximum security while i learn enough to open up individual area |
| 07:12.31 | litwol|mac | s |
| 07:12.32 | litwol|mac | ? |
| 07:12.37 | litwol|mac | is it a plausible approach ? |
| 07:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | litwol|mac, you mean like... switch off the machine? |
| 07:13.03 | litwol|mac | bookmarks linostar's link |
| 07:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
| 07:13.09 | craigevil | install Bastille and turn off any services you do not need |
| 07:13.10 | litwol|mac | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
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| 07:13.54 | cmanns | I'm trying to use x11 forwarding over putty I got the server set to localhost:0 but when I try to load a app it says gtk warning cannot open display |
| 07:14.16 | litwol|mac | i think i will stick to linostar's link for now. seems best resource i got my hands on so far |
| 07:14.17 | litwol|mac | thx linostar |
| 07:14.47 | linostar | you're welcome |
| 07:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | bbinotto, btw, I was quite serious... these things happen... (the guy finally sat there to watch the machine just to see some guy coming, plugging out the server to plug in the vacuum cleaner) [and if it didn't happen, then it was a bloody damn good urban myth] |
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| 07:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, what Xserver do you run on the windows machine? |
| 07:15.49 | cmanns | Xming, I've done it before long ago I dunno why I cant get it to work :( |
| 07:15.54 | bbinotto | CutMeOwnThroat: lol;) |
| 07:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, and localhost:0 is wrong - ssh forwarding would use something like localhost:10 or localhost:11 |
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| 07:16.02 | cmanns | I edited sshd config uncommented x11forwarding |
| 07:16.17 | cmanns | Oh so I should change the xming server id? |
| 07:16.42 | litwol|mac | got the pdf version of the 'securing debian howto' |
| 07:16.45 | litwol|mac | puts it on his iphone |
| 07:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, I'm not sure what you did - on the linux machine, it would be localhost:10 or so, which would be forwarded by ssh to localhost:0 on the machine running the ssh client |
| 07:17.42 | biopyte | hello, i'd like to install lenny on eeepc 901, but dont want to spend too much time with that. what do you think, will it go smoothly or do i have to do a lot of tweaking? |
| 07:17.47 | cmanns | On the linux machine I didn't do anything |
| 07:18.18 | biopyte | wifi install doesnt work with 901, i guess |
| 07:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, ... ok, from the top - what does echo $DISPLAY say on the linux machine after you connected there with putty? |
| 07:18.21 | cmanns | I'm doing localhost:0 set on putty and the xming server is localhost:0 |
| 07:18.34 | cmanns | CutMeOwnThroat, nothing |
| 07:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you didn't configure it in putty |
| 07:18.58 | cmanns | odd |
| 07:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | DISPLAY must be set automatically by ssh |
| 07:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you should get an error like "DISPLAY not set" |
| 07:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 07:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
| 07:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | to be precise |
| 07:20.03 | cmanns | still is blank lol |
| 07:20.08 | cmanns | hmm |
| 07:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you run e.g. xterm |
| 07:20.24 | cmanns | Do I need to install anything on the server maybe? |
| 07:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshd |
| 07:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 07:20.37 | cmanns | no x stuff? |
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| 07:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | check //etc/ssh/sshd_config if forwarding is enabled |
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| 07:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | X11Forwarding yes |
| 07:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think that should be on by default |
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| 07:22.53 | comfrey | hey gang... |
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| 07:23.02 | comfrey | i am having some issue with autofs... |
| 07:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also set "KeepAlive" yes if you plan to have ssh connections open/idle for a longer time |
| 07:23.08 | comfrey | handle_mounts: mount of /var/autofs/removable failed! |
| 07:23.18 | comfrey | the module is loaded |
| 07:23.34 | cmanns | yeah its enabled |
| 07:23.35 | dimsuz | hi! is there some aptitude option (in some config file) which would make it show packages versions when i type aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 07:23.52 | dimsuz | i.e. i want to make this behaviour permanent |
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| 07:26.15 | ndr_ | âñåì ïðèâåò |
| 07:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, got another Debian machine *with* X? |
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| 07:26.32 | cmanns | none |
| 07:26.38 | AbsintheSyringe | does any of you know what's the "refresh" keyboard for gftp, or even better how to set so it automatically refreshes |
| 07:26.39 | cmanns | Actually I've never been able to get it to work with this box |
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| 07:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | AbsintheSyringe, you mean key repeat rate? |
| 07:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 07:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 07:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | is tired |
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| 07:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and probably just hallucinating |
| 07:27.55 | AbsintheSyringe | CutMeOwnThroat, no I mean once I upload something, it won't show it until I go on "refresh" |
| 07:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 07:28.27 | AbsintheSyringe | I set refresh after each transfer |
| 07:28.28 | AbsintheSyringe | but nothing |
| 07:28.30 | dooglus | did you try F5? |
| 07:28.41 | AbsintheSyringe | duh |
| 07:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | has never used graphical ftp interfaces under Un*x |
| 07:28.45 | AbsintheSyringe | yea, didn't work |
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| 07:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | use the normal commandline ncftp and that's it |
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| 07:30.31 | dooglus | I use the FTP built in to GNU Emacs |
| 07:30.51 | dooglus | I tried filezilla once, and that seemed pretty good, but would rather use the keyboard |
| 07:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways |
| 07:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ftp must die |
| 07:31.04 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 07:31.11 | dooglus | my laptop's CD drive no longer works. Usually this just means it won't read or write CDs, but occasionally when I boot, the entire system is unresponsive, as it tries in vain to get a response from the CD drive. Can I somehow tell the kernel "I don't have a CD drive - please stop looking for one"? |
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| 07:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | unplug it? |
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| 07:31.53 | dooglus | I don't see how to unplug it - it seems to be built into the laptop |
| 07:32.00 | AbsintheSyringe | dooglus, see I didn't even know emacs has ftp support, I'm a vim guy |
| 07:32.02 | dooglus | and anyway would leave a big ugly hole in the side |
| 07:32.31 | dooglus | AbsintheSyringe: /user@host:/path/to/file does ftp |
| 07:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the laptop would be lighter! |
| 07:32.48 | dooglus | CutMeOwnThroat: the battery died about 5 years ago, so the laptop never moves anyway |
| 07:33.35 | linostar | dooglus: enter the BIOS, and try to disable the cdrom from there |
| 07:33.48 | ewet1 | hello, anyone else here who cannot compile nvidia drivers against the newest kernel? the log says this: http://sprunge.us/eYBi |
| 07:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there might be a kernel option to disable it... but it would be one I've never heared of :) |
| 07:33.58 | dooglus | linostar: "enter the BIOS" - is that one of Bruce Lee's lesser known works? |
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| 07:35.13 | linostar | dooglus: no, just press Del or F2 or F10 (depending on your laptop) when booting to enter the BIOS |
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| 07:36.02 | cmanns | nah I still cant figure out why this dont work lol |
| 07:36.08 | dooglus | linostar: I've seen F2. I can set the 'boot order' - whether it attempts to boot from the CD first or 2nd - but disabling it? |
| 07:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was maybe the wrong menu... try the other keys |
| 07:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Del is probably most common |
| 07:37.15 | linostar | doolyes, disable booting from cdrom, and see if there are any drive checking concerning cdroms and disable it too |
| 07:37.44 | linostar | *dooglus |
| 07:38.00 | linostar | some laptops have it: Alt+Esc |
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| 07:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | googleus? |
| 07:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !autocomplete |
| 07:38.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, autocomplete is In many programs, typing a few letters of an argument then hitting the tab key will cause the program to make an educated guess at what you're shooting for. |
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| 07:39.44 | linostar | CutMeOwnThroat: I know, but I wrote in the wrong window |
| 07:39.58 | drake3 | sigh |
| 07:40.01 | drake3 | I use fwcutter |
| 07:40.10 | drake3 | aptitude install b43-fwcutter |
| 07:40.21 | comfrey | why is automount not able to create the directory for the mounts |
| 07:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, I'd say run ssh -v -v -v -v - but you can't :) |
| 07:40.24 | drake3 | and eventhough it creates a place /lib/firmware/b43 full of .fw files |
| 07:40.37 | comfrey | if i create the dir by hand and restart automount then no prob |
| 07:40.38 | drake3 | ifconfig eth1 up still says the .fw files it needs aren't there |
| 07:40.42 | cmanns | lol |
| 07:40.46 | drake3 | can anyone provide some support for this? |
| 07:41.00 | cmanns | Well I got another server I can try |
| 07:41.04 | comfrey | but if i restart automount the dir disappears and it complains that it cannot create it upon restart |
| 07:41.09 | comfrey | this is automount 4 |
| 07:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, you could do it from the same machine... if you had X installed there |
| 07:41.18 | streuner | has _one_ file in /lib/firmware - thats it |
| 07:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 07:41.27 | drake3 | what is that file? |
| 07:41.41 | cmanns | CutMeOwnThroat, its remote |
| 07:41.42 | drake3 | do you have a broadcom 43xx wireless adapter? |
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| 07:41.50 | comfrey | any automount or autofs heads up in this here chan? |
| 07:42.03 | streuner | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12700 31. Jul 22:11 dvb-usb-af9015.fw |
| 07:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort comfrey |
| 07:42.13 | dpkg | There, there, comfrey. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:42.15 | drake3 | gah I lost even the smallest amount of patience I had |
| 07:42.27 | streuner | no |
| 07:42.34 | linostar | drake3: perhaps you should put the *.fw files in /lib/firmware or in /lib/firmware/`uname -r` |
| 07:42.46 | streuner | its a af9015 based chipset |
| 07:42.46 | comfrey | thanks dpkg... you the bot |
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| 07:43.32 | streuner | !listvals 43x |
| 07:43.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of '43x' by value (15 of 16): b43 ;; b43-fwcutter ;; b43legacy ;; bcm43xx ;; bcm43xx firmware ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch_r2 ;; broadcom ;; etchnhalf facts ;; wg111v1 ;; wireless ;; wpc54g ;; wpc54gs ;; wpc54gv3. |
| 07:43.45 | drake3 | no |
| 07:43.48 | drake3 | pe |
| 07:43.50 | drake3 | nope* |
| 07:43.53 | drake3 | it didn't do jack |
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| 07:44.22 | cmanns | CutMeOwnThroat, odd I ssh'd to the other server specificying the x server and same result |
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| 07:45.22 | drake3 | well it's talking about etch |
| 07:45.25 | drake3 | what about lenny? |
| 07:45.46 | drake3 | I had lenny |
| 07:45.49 | drake3 | everything working |
| 07:45.50 | drake3 | I reinstall |
| 07:46.10 | drake3 | and there's not a single document on the entire web to guide me through what I've forgotten |
| 07:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, does your X-server work? what happens when you do "export DISPLAY=mywindowsmachine:0" and start an xterm? |
| 07:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, bedtime |
| 07:47.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | toodeloo |
| 07:47.12 | cmanns | toodeloo |
| 07:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and toodel-pip |
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| 07:48.00 | comfrey | ok, so forget autofs... i will try ivman... |
| 07:48.17 | comfrey | anyone know of a good xml editor other than vi and emacs? |
| 07:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | comfrey, "usbmount" if it's just flash drives... |
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| 07:48.46 | comfrey | hrmm... |
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| 07:49.10 | streuner | drake3: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx?highlight=(43xx) |
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| 07:49.15 | drake3 | how do I install the source tree? |
| 07:49.29 | streuner | read the URL above |
| 07:49.32 | drake3 | streuner, I already tried that |
| 07:49.47 | drake3 | dude, what makes you think I haven't googled my guts out |
| 07:49.48 | comfrey | CutMeOwnThroat: ok... looks interesting... thanks |
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| 07:50.02 | linuxman2 | hello fellow debian usrs. i use ubuntu. need help installing debian.... which cd img do i dl? there is cd 1 2 3 ... ??? |
| 07:50.06 | drake3 | how do I install the source tree for debian? |
| 07:50.15 | linuxman2 | i wanna try deb. that is |
| 07:50.20 | dudeman | install linux-source package |
| 07:50.27 | dudeman | linuxman2, install cd1 |
| 07:50.28 | streuner | !+tell linuxman2 -about netinstall |
| 07:50.29 | dpkg | told linuxman2 about netinstall. |
| 07:50.35 | dudeman | streuner, go to sleep |
| 07:50.56 | streuner | dudeman: i already sleep :-P |
| 07:51.00 | dudeman | oh |
| 07:51.02 | dudeman | its 4am |
| 07:51.12 | linuxman2 | thanks dudeman streuner should i go for older releases? i have 128 ram... 2 ghz prc... |
| 07:51.13 | streuner | Fr 10. Okt 09:51:13 CEST 2008 |
| 07:51.19 | dudeman | oh |
| 07:51.24 | dudeman | germany? |
| 07:51.27 | streuner | sure |
| 07:51.30 | dudeman | ahh |
| 07:51.32 | drake3 | wait I don't have this kernel |
| 07:51.40 | drake3 | 2.6.26.... I have 2.6.24 |
| 07:51.45 | dudeman | linuxman2, 128mb ram? |
| 07:51.48 | dudeman | on a 2ghz machine? |
| 07:51.51 | dudeman | what?! |
| 07:51.58 | linuxman2 | 256 i mean.. |
| 07:52.08 | linuxman2 | dudeman: |
| 07:52.12 | dudeman | go with CD1 or the NETINSTALL cd |
| 07:53.06 | craigevil | i only have 494MB on this crappy dell with a Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.80GHz at 2793 MHz |
| 07:53.07 | linuxman2 | dudeman: i have been installing ubuntu since the dapper will this be a breeze? |
| 07:53.22 | dudeman | no |
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| 07:53.35 | dudeman | you need to read or at least skim the debian installer guide |
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| 07:53.40 | dudeman | !ig |
| 07:53.40 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 07:54.37 | linuxman2 | ok thanks... let me start working... |
| 07:55.17 | dudeman | what ever you do, don't forget chapters 3, 4, 5 |
| 07:55.21 | dudeman | especially 5, and 6 too |
| 07:55.44 | craigevil | you mean people actually read the install guide? |
| 07:55.51 | dudeman | smart people do |
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| 08:04.02 | dooglus | I see a process: "fusesmb /mnt/smb" - how is it getting started? how can I prevent it? |
| 08:04.30 | dooglus | aah - I'm an idiot. sorry. |
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| 08:04.55 | linostar | isn't there a quick way to delete a directory that contains a *huge* number of files (I'm talking about hundred thousands or even millions) |
| 08:05.59 | Chrom_ | linostar: use find /path/to/dir/ -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 08:06.51 | stew | Chrom_: how is that different than "rm -rf /path/to/dir" |
| 08:07.00 | linostar | Chrom_: using rm isn't quick enough, because it needs to list the files first, needing a lot of time |
| 08:07.21 | dooglus | Chrom_: that's much slower than using a single rm -rf |
| 08:07.27 | Chrom_ | linostar: with milions of files rm will just not work. you fill the commandline stack |
| 08:07.42 | Chrom_ | find is the only option if you don't wanna patch the kernel |
| 08:07.45 | stew | no, its exactly the same as rm -rf (except the find version will give some errors) |
| 08:07.46 | dooglus | Chrom_: "rm -fr *" won't fill the command line |
| 08:07.58 | linostar | Chrom_: that's besides using find has nothing to do with making it faster |
| 08:08.05 | stew | dooglus: it might |
| 08:08.15 | dooglus | stew: find . -exec rm" will run rm once per file. "rm -fr" will run rm once |
| 08:08.16 | Guerin | why does it have to be done fast? |
| 08:08.27 | Guerin | it's not as if it's going to burn a ton of resources taking its time |
| 08:08.33 | Chrom_ | linostar: to me the only way to do that is to use find |
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| 08:08.40 | stew | dooglus: the first thing "find /path/to/dir/ -exec rm -rf {} \;" does is "rm -rf /path/to/dir" after which, there is nothing to do |
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| 08:09.10 | stew | Chrom_: the only way to do what? |
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| 08:09.26 | Guerin | you could do for file in /path to dir; do find /path/to/dir/ -exec rm -rf {} \; done to make it more complicated |
| 08:09.34 | dooglus | stew: oh, I see. so the 'find' is useless |
| 08:09.38 | stew | dooglus: yes |
| 08:09.43 | Chrom_ | stew: to remove millions of files with a single command |
| 08:09.57 | jared | im getting a problem with dpkg, it cant lock the cache |
| 08:10.01 | stew | Chrom_: yours is the same as "rm -rf /path/to/dir" which would work just fine |
| 08:10.09 | Chrom_ | stew, not really |
| 08:10.18 | linostar | Guerin: because it seems to take hours, and I need the space to use for other stuff |
| 08:10.19 | stew | Chrom_: yes, really |
| 08:10.25 | mquin | if you want do delete a lot of file using find, pipe the output into "perl -ne unlink" |
| 08:10.26 | Chrom_ | my command issues a single rm for each file found in the dir. |
| 08:10.42 | Chrom_ | it's very different from rm -rf /dir/ |
| 08:10.43 | Guerin | Chrom_: which will be insanely much slower |
| 08:10.44 | dooglus | Chrom_: "rm -fr /path/to/dir" is only around 20 characters. that will fit into any command line buffer |
| 08:10.45 | jdrake | compiling a kernel takes a long time :-( |
| 08:10.49 | stew | Chrom_: yours runs a single rm for each thing it finds, and the first thing it finds is /path/to/dir |
| 08:10.55 | mquin | you just need to fork one perl interperter, rather than one rm per file |
| 08:11.09 | stew | Chrom_: so after the first rm it runs (which is rm -rf /path/to/dir) there is nothing left to find or rm |
| 08:11.24 | Chrom_ | stew, not really. it finds eac file and applies a rm command to it |
| 08:11.29 | Guerin | you need to write a web2.0 interface for a python wrapper for rm! |
| 08:11.31 | Chrom_ | *each |
| 08:11.31 | dooglus | Chrom_: so if your command worked how you thought it did, it would be slower, but it doesn't, so it's identical to running a single 'rm' |
| 08:11.32 | Guerin | that'll solve it |
| 08:11.40 | stew | Chrom_: yes, and the first file it finds is the directory you pass it as the first argument |
| 08:11.42 | Chrom_ | dooglus: it is much slower indeed |
| 08:11.44 | dooglus | Chrom_: it runs a "rm -fr" (note the flags) to each dir |
| 08:11.58 | jared | it says " |
| 08:12.16 | dooglus | jared: you're trying to run two package managers at the same time? |
| 08:12.29 | jared | :( my gpm doesnt paste through irssi |
| 08:12.39 | jared | dooglus: no |
| 08:12.56 | Chrom_ | dooglus: the find command can be tweaked to rm what you want. mine was just an example to delete everything in a dir |
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| 08:13.39 | dooglus | Chrom_: if you tweak it to run lots of rm commands, it'll be slow. if you run a single rm command, why not just run rm? |
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| 08:14.04 | jared | how dangerous is it to delete the log file? |
| 08:14.06 | Chrom_ | dooglus: because rm can't delete millions of files with a one liner |
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| 08:14.13 | dooglus | Chrom_: yes, it can |
| 08:14.13 | Chrom_ | it's a kernel limitation |
| 08:14.15 | stew | Chrom_: yes, it can |
| 08:14.26 | Chrom_ | dooglus: try that and let me know :) |
| 08:14.34 | dooglus | Chrom_: I've tried it. It works. |
| 08:14.39 | jared | Chrom_: yes is can |
| 08:14.41 | linostar | Chrom_: in practice, I found 'find' no quicker, because listing the dir took much time |
| 08:14.48 | Chrom_ | then they are not millions of files |
| 08:14.49 | JyZyXEL | rm -r directoryWithMillionsOfFiles |
| 08:14.52 | Chrom_ | maybe some thousands |
| 08:14.59 | stew | Chrom_: your command is EXACTLY the same thing as running simply "rm -rf /path/to/directory" except yours will also return an error after running the rm when it tries to cd to /paht/to/directory |
| 08:15.01 | dooglus | Chrom_: I've run "rm -fr /" and it deleted the entire (2.5 million file) filesystem - including itself |
| 08:15.18 | dudeman | why would you do that |
| 08:15.19 | jared | wow |
| 08:15.22 | drake3 | lol setting up Windows XP Professional |
| 08:15.23 | Chrom_ | dooglus: maybe there are subdirs containig files? |
| 08:15.24 | jared | wats the point of that |
| 08:15.25 | dudeman | thats just retarded, in so many ways |
| 08:15.27 | drake3 | bye guys |
| 08:15.28 | stew | Chrom_: "rm -rf /some/directory" works no matter how many files are in the driectory |
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| 08:15.49 | dooglus | dudeman: I was sending the laptop back for repair, was going to wipe the drive anyway, and wanted to see what would happen |
| 08:16.01 | dudeman | oh alright then |
| 08:16.02 | dudeman | have at it |
| 08:16.09 | dooglus | Chrom_: the "-r" bit is specifically for dealing with sub-directories |
| 08:16.17 | dudeman | r == recurse |
| 08:16.19 | jared | what happened in the end :O |
| 08:16.20 | linostar | I'd like to add that executing 'ls' in this dir needs more than hour perhaps |
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| 08:16.34 | linostar | more than hour before displaying any output |
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| 08:16.46 | Chrom_ | dooglus: then you are not removing single files, you are removing millions of files in subdirs. try to remove millions of files contained all in the same dir. you won't be able to |
| 08:16.46 | dooglus | jared: I was running GNOME at the time - and it continued functioning. :) amazing, eh? |
| 08:16.59 | dudeman | dooglus, it was loaded in memory... |
| 08:17.02 | dudeman | obviously it was fine |
| 08:17.14 | dooglus | dudeman: right. running new apps was a little problematic :) |
| 08:17.15 | stew | Chrom_: why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 08:17.16 | jared | dooglus: :o wtf, did u still hav /dev/ |
| 08:17.16 | brainsoft | does ngrep limit the output of http reqs when you do ngrep port 80 or it justs shows the GET POSTS in real time? |
| 08:17.18 | dudeman | of coruse |
| 08:17.52 | jared | does rm -rf delete across mounts |
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| 08:17.57 | stew | jared: yes |
| 08:18.00 | dudeman | brainsoft, maybe for yoru needs Live HTTP Headers extension for iceweasel may work better |
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| 08:18.42 | Chrom_ | stew: because rm builds a table of files to be deleted in memory. the memory stack for commands is limited. and millions of files in the stack fill it. so you get an error |
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| 08:18.58 | brainsoft | nice dude |
| 08:19.02 | Chrom_ | if you are removing dirs it's different because rm just blindly removes the dir and its contents |
| 08:19.06 | dudeman | ls doing stack overflow |
| 08:19.07 | dudeman | what? |
| 08:19.11 | dudeman | since when!? |
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| 08:19.18 | Chrom_ | not overflow! |
| 08:19.21 | dooglus | Chrom_: rm doesn't build the list in the command buffer |
| 08:19.32 | Chrom_ | if fills the stack and you get an error. there's no overflow |
| 08:19.52 | Chrom_ | dooglus: can you please just try? I really don't know how to convince you :) |
| 08:19.57 | xst | I have a server with a compaq hardware raid controller. cpqarrayd can monitor the array and post events to syslog but how can I get a notification mail when a disk crashes? |
| 08:19.59 | jared | just use a swap fs |
| 08:20.02 | brainsoft | another thing: ar ISPS supposed to limit your http requests per second so them puts in standby those that overpass the limit? |
| 08:20.03 | Chrom_ | I'm looking for some docs online for you |
| 08:20.07 | dooglus | Chrom_: what's a good number of files to use? |
| 08:20.17 | dudeman | brainsoft, I am not sure |
| 08:20.19 | dooglus | Chrom_: what's the smallest number you know not to work? |
| 08:20.20 | stew | Chrom_: are you sure you aren't just thinking of the command line limit? |
| 08:20.21 | dudeman | brainsoft, my isp blocks nothing |
| 08:20.24 | dudeman | my isp kicks ass |
| 08:20.29 | brainsoft | lol |
| 08:20.29 | Chrom_ | dooglus: try with 1 million |
| 08:20.40 | Chrom_ | be careful not to run out of inodes |
| 08:20.40 | dudeman | I have road runner cable business account |
| 08:20.46 | dudeman | I have 5 ips |
| 08:20.54 | Chrom_ | do that on a partition with a proper filesystem |
| 08:21.02 | dudeman | no limitations on anything, they may have a bandwidth quota but I've never hit it |
| 08:21.14 | dudeman | and I upload at 140kb/s 24/7 |
| 08:21.19 | dooglus | Chrom_: is reiserfs proper enough? |
| 08:21.30 | dudeman | I have used RFS for 8 years on a sid machine |
| 08:21.33 | brainsoft | dudeman: can u tell me a tool to monitorize my upload download traffic? |
| 08:21.33 | dudeman | on /home no less |
| 08:21.36 | dudeman | it works beautifully |
| 08:21.42 | brainsoft | im out of x run out of mem |
| 08:21.43 | dudeman | don't give into the RFS hate bandwagon |
| 08:21.43 | Chrom_ | dooglus: it depends on how you format it and how you mount it |
| 08:21.50 | dudeman | reiser fs is fine |
| 08:21.50 | Chrom_ | check the inodes number |
| 08:22.01 | brainsoft | dont wanna surf with lynx |
| 08:22.11 | jared | wtf, my / got mounted ro |
| 08:22.12 | dudeman | gpm plus lynx is great |
| 08:22.27 | dudeman | w3m and lynx are only two browsers so far they do color on by default |
| 08:22.59 | brainsoft | that accept cookie every breath is a hell |
| 08:23.00 | dooglus | Chrom_: it's going to take a while. it's made 10k files in 30 seconds or so |
| 08:23.03 | jared | isnt links better than links |
| 08:23.08 | surrounder | *lynx |
| 08:23.09 | surrounder | :P |
| 08:23.10 | Chrom_ | dooglus: yes |
| 08:23.59 | dooglus | Chrom_: if I type "rm *", that will fail - that's because the "*" will expand to about 7 million characters, overflowing the maximum allowed command line length. |
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| 08:24.04 | dooglus | is that what you're talking about? |
| 08:24.23 | Chrom_ | dooglus: yes also |
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| 08:24.50 | linostar | dooglus: concerning that, use xargs |
| 08:24.59 | Chrom_ | dooglus: so you see you must use find |
| 08:25.05 | dooglus | linostar: I'd just 'cd' up a level, then "rm -r dir" |
| 08:25.08 | Chrom_ | or xargs of course as linostar sais |
| 08:25.32 | Chrom_ | dooglus: you can do that if you are on your home pc and just recreate the empty dir after 5 minutes |
| 08:25.35 | dooglus | Chrom_: is that *all* you're talking about? the "*" expanding? |
| 08:25.42 | jared | Chrom_: can u delete the files using dd |
| 08:25.54 | Chrom_ | but not if for example you are serving mails for 500.000 users. you can't delete dist that your services are using |
| 08:26.00 | dudeman | why not just format the partition |
| 08:26.09 | dudeman | its better than rm'ing / |
| 08:26.41 | linostar | dudeman: the case is about one folder, not all the fs |
| 08:26.47 | dudeman | oh |
| 08:27.07 | Chrom_ | guys, of course it depends on what your scope is. if you are just depeting garbage froma partition you can format everything. I'm speaking about a production environment where you can't just poke with dirs |
| 08:27.26 | stew | well it works fine with 400,000 files, i'll try again with 1,000,000 |
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| 08:27.29 | endra | hey |
| 08:27.46 | dudeman | stew, you have more than a million files in a dir |
| 08:27.50 | dooglus | stew: you have a fast hdd - mine's making 200 files per second |
| 08:28.04 | Chrom_ | there are maybe dozens of ways to phisically erase stuff from a disk, but if you need to do exactely what you asked (delefing millions files from a dir), then you must use find, xargs, or patch the kernel |
| 08:28.16 | endra | anyone know of a program that will allow me to have clients register to a mailing list and I'll be able to send them offers, etc that we are having? |
| 08:28.17 | dudeman | it shouldn't cause a problem no matter the # of files |
| 08:28.17 | Chrom_ | *deleting, sorry |
| 08:28.34 | dudeman | mailman |
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| 08:28.37 | dudeman | ? |
| 08:28.39 | dooglus | Chrom_: or "rm -fr dir"? |
| 08:29.15 | Chrom_ | dooglus: I really assume you don't poke like that with dirs. what if the millions of files are straight into your /tmp dir? or worst into /mail/spool ? |
| 08:29.16 | linostar | Chrom_: what do you mean by patching the kernel? which patch? |
| 08:29.28 | dooglus | Chrom_: the bit that makes no sense to me is how patching the kernel would help. 'rm' is userland |
| 08:29.50 | Chrom_ | linostar: you can increase the buffer the kernel assigns to command expansion |
| 08:30.02 | linostar | ah |
| 08:30.09 | dudeman | ow |
| 08:30.15 | Chrom_ | that is limited to a few KB (I don't recall how much exactely) |
| 08:30.20 | dudeman | I just accidentally bit my lip and its bleeding now |
| 08:30.21 | dudeman | man fuck |
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| 08:30.31 | dudeman | later |
| 08:30.33 | Chrom_ | but increasing too much will expose you to other issues |
| 08:30.39 | Chrom_ | so much better to just use find |
| 08:30.39 | dooglus | Chrom_: the problem linostar originally stated was "isn't there a quick way to delete a directory that contains a *huge* number of files" - he wants to delete a DIRECTORY, not part of a directory |
| 08:30.58 | stew | Chrom_: what does command expansion have to do with this? |
| 08:31.24 | dooglus | stew: nothing. commands expansion is only an issue if you use wildcards in the command, but we're using "rm -fr dir" |
| 08:31.33 | Chrom_ | dooglus: I understand about the speed problem. My comment was not about the speed. I was wondering how he could manage do remove millions of files |
| 08:31.50 | Chrom_ | so I just raised the issue to your attention |
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| 08:32.18 | stew | dooglus: i know that's why i'm asking what this kernel patch would have to do with anything |
| 08:32.22 | dooglus | Chrom_: do you understand that the question was how to remove a whole directory? |
| 08:32.37 | dooglus | stew: I asked the same of him. |
| 08:32.57 | linostar | yes, but still the main isue isn'tt solved, because rm (w or w/o find) need a lot of time to output anything (using -v option) |
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| 08:33.12 | stew | well now cron is spinning up daily jobs, and i don't get my fast disk anymore |
| 08:33.25 | julesdesbois | Hi all |
| 08:33.30 | Chrom_ | dooglus: I understand that, and my answer was not a solution to his problem. As I told you I just raised the problem of deleting millions of files, that is slightly more interesting IMHO. |
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| 08:33.47 | dooglus | linostar: your directory and its millions of files is spread out all over the disk, in millions of places. it's going to be slow to clean that mess up. |
| 08:35.15 | linostar | dooglus: unfortunately yes |
| 08:35.50 | dooglus | linostar: so what's the hurry? make a cup of tea while it runs :) |
| 08:36.38 | dudeman | heartburn, tea sucks |
| 08:36.46 | dudeman | anything with caffine sucks |
| 08:36.54 | JyZyXEL | why |
| 08:37.06 | dudeman | try the official drink of the official debianite |
| 08:37.10 | dudeman | Deb Cola |
| 08:37.21 | JyZyXEL | Debian is made with Caffeine |
| 08:37.21 | dudeman | no caffeine to keep you up, I'm bored, I'm going back to sleep |
| 08:37.23 | dudeman | g'nite |
| 08:37.27 | stew | Chrom_: 1,000,000 was no problem: http://paste.debian.net/18905/ |
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| 08:37.50 | Guerin | stew: weakling! 1 one million is not MILLIONS |
| 08:37.56 | dudeman | lol |
| 08:38.01 | dudeman | callhim a weenie |
| 08:38.09 | JyZyXEL | stew now try 1000 million |
| 08:38.15 | Guerin | you didn't even create a file for each starving african! |
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| 08:38.20 | dudeman | thats a billion |
| 08:38.28 | dudeman | you coulda just said 1 billion files |
| 08:38.35 | linostar | dooglus: I fear that it'll take more than one cup, maybe 1 cup for every 1000 files :p |
| 08:38.37 | JyZyXEL | but its also 1000 million |
| 08:38.43 | dudeman | yes but why |
| 08:38.44 | Chrom_ | stew: you deleted the dir |
| 08:38.53 | dudeman | el screw it, sleepy time |
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| 08:38.55 | Chrom_ | get inside the dir and remove * |
| 08:38.56 | OpenTokix | stew: if you go into the dir and do rm -f * |
| 08:39.01 | OpenTokix | stew: you will get to many args |
| 08:39.01 | Guerin | was that not the initial problem? |
| 08:39.01 | stew | Chrom_: yes, and i didn't have any problems |
| 08:39.09 | Chrom_ | stew: that was not what we wanted to test |
| 08:39.16 | stew | Chrom_: who? |
| 08:39.16 | Chrom_ | you can always delete the dir |
| 08:39.21 | Chrom_ | the problem is in the command expansion |
| 08:39.23 | Guerin | he didn't say he wanted to keep the dir; he said he wanted to delete the whole shootin' box |
| 08:39.25 | Chrom_ | you must use a wildcard |
| 08:39.30 | stew | oh fucking christ |
| 08:39.38 | JyZyXEL | omg stew said fuck |
| 08:39.42 | dudeman | you just wasted his time |
| 08:39.43 | stew | he actually hasn't been reading anything we write i guess |
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| 08:40.00 | dudeman | you dingleberry! |
| 08:40.00 | Guerin | if the problem was deleting the files and keeping the dir, then I have the solution: rm -rf /some/path && mkdir /some/path |
| 08:40.07 | Markus23_ | i have a raid5 here where during syncing of a spare another device was kicked out because of a failure on the disc |
| 08:40.10 | Chrom_ | stew: retry with a wildcard from inside the dir |
| 08:40.14 | Markus23_ | so i have 3 synced, a spare and a failure |
| 08:40.15 | stew | Chrom_: why would I? |
| 08:40.23 | Markus23_ | any idea how I can assemble that raid? |
| 08:40.26 | dudeman | Chrom_, you dont' know stew do you |
| 08:40.26 | dudeman | heh |
| 08:40.29 | Guerin | waits patiently to collect his consultant's fee |
| 08:40.36 | Chrom_ | stew: didn't you want to check the command expansion buffer? |
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| 08:40.38 | dudeman | Guerin, hey man, dude, msg |
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| 08:40.39 | aLeSD_ | hi all |
| 08:40.50 | Guerin | dudeman: mm, i like msg |
| 08:40.50 | aLeSD_ | I have an issue with a nfs |
| 08:40.58 | Guerin | makes bland things taste yummeh |
| 08:41.00 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: ok? |
| 08:41.02 | dudeman | Guerin, fan freakin' tastik |
| 08:41.02 | stew | Chrom_: not at all, in fact we tried several times to verify that "rm -rf /path/to/dir" wouldn't be affected by command epansion |
| 08:41.14 | aLeSD_ | is it possible to mount a nfs with a different userid and groupid ? |
| 08:41.14 | dooglus | Chrom_: didn't you write: "stew: because rm builds a table of files to be deleted in memory. the memory stack for commands is limited." - and isn't that what stew has just shown to be incorrect? |
| 08:41.14 | dudeman | Guerin, to chit chat |
| 08:41.16 | stew | Chrom_: you said that rm builds up a list of files and this is what would cause it to run out of memory |
| 08:41.20 | dudeman | Guerin, why do you think? honestly... |
| 08:41.27 | dudeman | oh |
| 08:41.28 | dudeman | doh |
| 08:41.33 | dudeman | that was supposed to be msg |
| 08:41.46 | Guerin | fail |
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| 08:41.50 | aLeSD_ | I mean I have the same username in a different system ... but the userid is different ... and I have to mount it by nfs |
| 08:41.55 | brainsoft | hi |
| 08:42.09 | brainsoft | this is me with 100k mem free with top |
| 08:42.14 | aLeSD_ | OpenTokix: could u help me ? |
| 08:42.16 | brainsoft | I exec a script and it goes to 95k |
| 08:42.22 | brainsoft | then 90 and so on |
| 08:42.28 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: yes, you can use squas, and then provice anongid,anonuid in your export |
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| 08:42.31 | Chrom_ | ok guys the point is: if you wanna delete millions of files (not 1 dir with millions of files), you use a wildcard. if you use a wildcard that needs a very large command buffer, then you get an error. |
| 08:42.33 | brainsoft | anybody knows why when I have only 4k mem free |
| 08:42.38 | brainsoft | and I run another 5 scripts |
| 08:42.39 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: and all files will be squashed to that uid and gid |
| 08:42.44 | brainsoft | im still with small loads like 0.10 |
| 08:42.48 | themill | Chrom_: that's what find -delete or xargs are for |
| 08:42.48 | brainsoft | and 4k mem free? |
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| 08:43.09 | themill | dpkg: tell brainsoft about free memory |
| 08:43.10 | aLeSD_ | OpenTokix: what's squas? |
| 08:43.25 | Chrom_ | themill: I said that on first place, and I'm trying to prove the guys here that it's not possible to use rm * inside a dir with millions of files in it |
| 08:43.27 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: exports would be something like /path/to/export 192.168.0.0/24(rw,all_squash,anongid=65335,anonuid=65535,no_subtree_check) |
| 08:43.31 | stew | Chrom_: your original suggestion was < Chrom_> linostar: use find /path/to/dir/ -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 08:43.36 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: you squash the uids used for it |
| 08:43.54 | stew | Chrom_: that is the same thing as running "rm -rf /path/to/dir/ ; cd /path/to/dir/" (which will give you an error when runnign cd) |
| 08:43.57 | Chrom_ | stew: yes, indeed, because that way you keep the directory and you delete all the millions of files within it |
| 08:44.00 | dooglus | Chrom_: not a single one of us ever suggested using "rm *" |
| 08:44.09 | dudeman | millions |
| 08:44.12 | stew | Chrom_: all i'm saying is that this is a silly suggestion, since that is eactly the same as just running "rm -rf /path/to/dir" |
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| 08:44.24 | stew | Chrom_: no, it doesn't |
| 08:44.28 | Chrom_ | stew: but you delete the dir like that |
| 08:44.36 | stew | Chrom_: yes, YOUR COMMAND deletes the dir |
| 08:44.39 | dudeman | stew, perhaps he needs to look at the source for rm |
| 08:44.47 | dudeman | to understand how it is implemented |
| 08:45.00 | dudeman | this is like going in circles with him |
| 08:45.18 | stew | Chrom_: run "find /tmp | head -1" the first thing it returns is /tmp, so your command would first be run on the dir you pass as the first argument to find |
| 08:45.23 | themill | Chrom_: the first thing your command "find /path/to/dir/ -exec rm -rf {} \;" does is delete the directory and then the rest of it is wasted. |
| 08:45.29 | Chrom_ | stew: ok then: find /path/to/dir/* -exec rm -rf {} ; |
| 08:45.35 | OpenTokix | Chrom_: find /path/to/folder -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 08:45.37 | Chrom_ | my mistake there. no * |
| 08:45.43 | aLeSD_ | OpenTokix: mount -t nfs ./here <path> -o rw,all_squash,anongid=65335,anonuid=65535,no_subtree_check ?? |
| 08:45.53 | themill | Chrom_: then you have the wildcard expansion overflow again with that command |
| 08:45.55 | stew | themill: i've told him this like 4 times, and i've created a couple million files trying to prove other nonsense he is saying wrong |
| 08:45.56 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: no, thats the export, you do nothing on the "mount side" |
| 08:46.03 | Chrom_ | the-dude: no, it works in find |
| 08:46.07 | themill | stew: yeah, I gathered as much |
| 08:46.11 | dudeman | the dude, no man |
| 08:46.12 | Chrom_ | themill: no it works with find |
| 08:46.13 | dudeman | dudeman |
| 08:46.21 | themill | Chrom_: only if you quote the *. tias |
| 08:46.45 | Chrom_ | themill: what do you mean? |
| 08:47.33 | aLeSD_ | OpenTokix: ah ... I see ... Can I do something from the client side ? |
| 08:47.36 | themill | Chrom_: "find /path/to/dir/* -exec rm -rf {} \;" will expand the * first you then get your wildcard expansion overflow . "find '/path/to/dir/*' -exec rm -rf {} \;" _bash_ would not expand the *, _find_ would and you would not get the overflow. But it's moronic to do it that way. |
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| 08:47.57 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: no, since it would break some of the security in nfs |
| 08:48.17 | OpenTokix | aLeSD_: ie. if you could squash root to anonuid, you could overwrite root:owned files from a nfs as non-root user |
| 08:48.18 | aLeSD_ | <OpenTokix> ok . Thanks |
| 08:48.20 | stew | rm -r /path/to/dir/ ; mkdir /path/to/dir |
| 08:48.34 | themill | :) |
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| 08:48.47 | Chrom_ | themill: is moronic an allowed term here? |
| 08:48.51 | stew | echo /path/to/dir* | xargs rm -r |
| 08:48.51 | OpenTokix | stew: but rather use rm -r /path/to/dir && mkdir /path/to/dir |
| 08:48.58 | stew | err dir/* |
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| 08:49.07 | stew | OpenTokix: same result |
| 08:49.14 | OpenTokix | stew: not unless you rm fails |
| 08:49.23 | stew | OpenTokix: if the rm fails, so does the mkdir |
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| 08:49.35 | Chrom_ | stew: that's very unclen. what if you also have to set custom permissions on that dir? what if that dir is needed by running services. you'll crash everything |
| 08:49.39 | Guerin | OpenTokix: hey, you stole my idea! |
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| 08:49.47 | OpenTokix | Guerin: ? |
| 08:50.03 | stew | Chrom_: echo /path/to/dir/* | xargs rm -r |
| 08:50.05 | OpenTokix | xargs works |
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| 08:50.07 | OpenTokix | find works |
| 08:50.13 | themill | Chrom_: stop trying to come up with other reasons why you should use the command you suggested that won't work. |
| 08:50.16 | OpenTokix | rm -rf * inside the dir will not work |
| 08:50.17 | Guerin | 21:40:00 < Guerin> if the problem was deleting the files and keeping the dir, then I have the solution: rm -rf /some/path && mkdir /some/path |
| 08:50.26 | Guerin | OpenTokix: I DEMAND ROYALTIES |
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| 08:50.44 | Chrom_ | stew: yes if you want to find another way, that can be also done. |
| 08:50.54 | rm | http://paste.debian.net/18907/ <- as a small trick to not wait for millions of files to be removed and start using the new "dir" immediately |
| 08:51.07 | OpenTokix | Guerin: ok, I have your 30 million on royalites here. But I need you to conntact Mr Sir Abu Nabei in nigeria to set up an account for the transaction. |
| 08:51.18 | Guerin | excellent! |
| 08:51.26 | Guerin | royalties, you will soon be mine! |
| 08:51.26 | et | find /dir -type f -delete |
| 08:52.03 | themill | thinks this is worse than #bash where they will argue for an hour about how to do something without ever trying it out. |
| 08:52.18 | Chrom_ | themill: I don't understand your attitude honestly. I'm just explaining how to overcome an issue that I have already had in the past on a large setup. I really don't know why you underestimate that. |
| 08:52.29 | themill | Chrom_: your method doesn't work. |
| 08:52.42 | stew | themill: hey i tried stuff out (even after looking at rm.c and remove.c) which is why i'm waiting for 4.5 million files to delete now |
| 08:53.01 | OpenTokix | themill: find works, but his syntax was not correct |
| 08:53.11 | themill | OpenTokix: indeed. |
| 08:53.20 | et | and -delete is far nicer than -exec ... |
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| 08:53.28 | OpenTokix | find /path/to/dir -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 08:53.39 | Chrom_ | themill: ah, now it works eh? |
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| 08:53.43 | OpenTokix | That will deleete billions of files, and will not delete dirs in the folder |
| 08:53.49 | themill | OpenTokix: "but that deletes the directory" |
| 08:53.51 | et | also, you want + there, not \; |
| 08:53.54 | themill | Chrom_: not in the way you described it |
| 08:54.01 | Chrom_ | themill: or you are just trying to stress a detail in wrong syntax and mounting a story on that? |
| 08:54.02 | OpenTokix | themill: no? -type f |
| 08:54.27 | themill | OpenTokix: ahh yes.. sorry, it would leave any sub dirs in place |
| 08:54.32 | OpenTokix | yes |
| 08:55.00 | OpenTokix | I used exactly that method to replenish about 500G of ._ files |
| 08:55.03 | OpenTokix | from a san |
| 08:55.03 | themill | Chrom_: since the syntax is important and you're shooting down others' suggestions for thing that your own command would do too, yes, I'll pick on that. |
| 08:56.23 | stew | and what's also important is to not just start making randome stuff up |
| 08:56.30 | Chrom_ | themill: that is childish. I'm surely ready to correct my syntax that I just quickly typed to make an example, and you are questioning the concept that I was explaining. So or you attack me on the syntax (and I can agree that there's a typo there) or you agree that the concept is right. |
| 08:57.26 | stew | Chrom_: you were ready to correct your command, but only after i had spent time createing millions of files and reading the source code to rm becuase you were not paying attention to what people were saying, and also making stuff up |
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| 08:57.54 | themill | Chrom_: wtf? "this works and the rest of you are wrong" when "this" doesn't work and I'm supposed to say "there there Chrom_, it's ok, you're allowed to make crap up and tell other people they don't know what they're talking about because it's just about the concept"? |
| 08:58.46 | Chrom_ | ok guys, keep on deleting dirs in production and recreating them. |
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| 08:59.18 | themill | Chrom_: which bit of "your command does the same" don't you understand? |
| 08:59.34 | simonrvn | i can see an immediate benefit to rmdir'ing, and that's getting the now empty dir back to a reasonable size. |
| 09:00.38 | Chrom_ | themill: wh didn't you just tell me you missed a char on your commandline? |
| 09:00.41 | Chrom_ | why |
| 09:00.50 | Chrom_ | (you see, another missing char) |
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| 09:01.34 | Chrom_ | themill: do you agree with me that understanding how bash expansion works is more interesting than wiping full dirs out? |
| 09:01.37 | themill | Chrom_: because many people had already done so and it was obvious you weren't listening to them. BTW it would seem that you fundamentally don't understand shell expansion rules. |
| 09:02.26 | Chrom_ | themill: many people have done what? deleting big dirs? |
| 09:02.31 | Chrom_ | of course they could |
| 09:02.36 | themill | Chrom_: that's why I took the time to explain to you the reason why find /dir/* would not work but find '/dir/*' would. |
| 09:02.43 | OpenTokix | I have - my personal size-dir-record is 10T |
| 09:02.44 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 09:02.58 | themill | notices that everyone else has given up on Chrom_ and does so too. Coffee time. |
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| 09:03.27 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 09:03.58 | Chrom_ | gives up too on "I wanna be the smartest kid in town" type of guy |
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| 09:07.03 | OpenTokix | watches how discussion transforms into retort contest. |
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| 09:08.17 | linostar | well, the original question was about *deleting* files, not *creating* wars |
| 09:09.06 | Chrom_ | linostar: so it was about deleting files not dirs? =) |
| 09:09.49 | linostar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:10.25 | Chrom_ | no really, I was pointing out my experience with a similar problem. I don't understand some people attitude. I prefer to discuss and build something bettertogether than fighting to people that wanna know something more and better than the others |
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| 09:15.49 | Tony[] | does anyone know the email address of the libata maintainer without me digging thru the source code? |
| 09:16.24 | petemc | should you just use the bug tracking system? |
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| 09:16.50 | Tony[] | clarifies |
| 09:17.23 | bolt-work | doesn't notice a clarification |
| 09:17.32 | mlLK | can someone summarize why apache runs similar trees in /etc/apache and /usr/local/apache |
| 09:17.46 | Tony[] | I'm not a kernel hacker (or any kind of hacker for that matter) and don't know the black arts and runes to incant to find my way around the various pitfalls of the whole thing .. so I figured emailing someone was probably safest |
| 09:18.03 | Appiah | mlLK: do you have apache and apache2 ? |
| 09:18.07 | mlLK | 2 |
| 09:18.12 | petemc | mlLK: it doesnt, here |
| 09:18.23 | mlLK | /usr/local makes sense |
| 09:18.40 | jared | my aptitude mounted my system read only :( is this a bug! |
| 09:18.41 | petemc | thats for installs outside of the package system |
| 09:18.46 | mlLK | but i don't understand what apache2 does in /etc/ |
| 09:18.48 | Appiah | Tony[]: is it about a bug or what? |
| 09:18.56 | bolt-work | mlLK: config files? |
| 09:18.58 | mlLK | ya |
| 09:19.07 | bolt-work | mlLK: ...they're supposed to be there |
| 09:19.08 | mlLK | is /usr/local like root? |
| 09:19.23 | bolt-work | mlLK: / is like root |
| 09:19.29 | Tony[] | Appiah: I suspect it's a bug, but would not be so bold as to say so with my mediocre knowledge of coding, so was going to provide evidence and let them decide |
| 09:19.29 | mlLK | which one will overrid the other |
| 09:19.40 | petemc | Tony[]: thats what the bug trackign system is for |
| 09:19.48 | Appiah | Tony[]: well you can still use the bug trackin system for it |
| 09:19.57 | petemc | mlLK: you shouldnt have stuff in /usr/local if you used the debian apache 2 package |
| 09:20.02 | Appiah | Tony[] so people togheter can tell if its a bug or not |
| 09:20.12 | mlLK | ok |
| 09:20.14 | Tony[] | ok .. I'm fine with that, but what constitutes evidence?? |
| 09:20.17 | Appiah | that way the maintainer does not have to look thru a bunch of false bugs |
| 09:20.20 | mlLK | so config /etc/ |
| 09:20.24 | petemc | yes |
| 09:20.29 | Appiah | Tony[]: just explain your problem and why you think its a bug |
| 09:20.30 | mlLK | right on ty |
| 09:20.36 | Tony[] | how do I know it's not a simple .config misconfig or missing driver causing the issue? |
| 09:20.44 | Appiah | http://bugs.gentoo.org/ |
| 09:20.45 | Trewas | Tony[]: they have a mailing list, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org |
| 09:20.48 | mlLK | is that unique to debian? |
| 09:20.53 | mlLK | putting apache in etc |
| 09:20.57 | petemc | mlLK: if you have apache installed from a debian package and you've tried to install from source, you may run into problems |
| 09:21.03 | Appiah | read this too Tony[] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bugzilla-howto.xml |
| 09:21.16 | Tony[] | Appiah: I'm not running Gentoo.. does that matter? |
| 09:21.23 | Appiah | ops sorry |
| 09:21.23 | petemc | mlLK: people have been putting config files in /etc/ since the beginning |
| 09:21.24 | Appiah | haha |
| 09:21.28 | Appiah | wrong link |
| 09:21.41 | Tony[] | Trewas: thanks |
| 09:21.44 | Appiah | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting :D |
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| 09:21.50 | Tony[] | Appiah: :D |
| 09:22.02 | mlLK | so generally will /etc parse first? |
| 09:22.09 | Appiah | that's what happends when you cycle thru 5 different dist channels |
| 09:22.28 | Tony[] | Appiah: although it's a self-rolled kernel so particularly relevant to any distro |
| 09:22.29 | petemc | mlLK: you shouldnt have the config spread out over both locations, as per what i previously told you |
| 09:22.40 | mlLK | i know! |
| 09:22.58 | mlLK | i don't know how i got apache in my /usr folder |
| 09:23.24 | Appiah | did you install apache or something for apache without apt-get mlLK ? |
| 09:23.26 | Tony[] | Trewas: is there another list for libata?? I'm guessing that this is the list for libide (deprecated?) |
| 09:23.32 | mlLK | yes |
| 09:23.48 | Appiah | mlLK: maybe that's why.. |
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| 09:24.04 | mlLK | i'm gonna make a backup and remove /usr/local |
| 09:24.09 | mlLK | ../apache2 |
| 09:24.18 | Trewas | Tony[]: according to maintainers-file in kernel sources that's the mailing-list for libata |
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| 09:24.32 | mario | hello! |
| 09:24.36 | Tony[] | Trewas: thanks .. I'll give it a try |
| 09:25.14 | mario | has anyone an idea where /usr/local/lib/php/Net/IPv4.php comes from? |
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| 09:25.14 | mario | packages.debian.org and apt-file search IPv4.php are negative |
| 09:25.14 | simonrvn | not from debian |
| 09:25.33 | simonrvn | maybe from pear or pecl... |
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| 09:25.40 | mario | ah... |
| 09:25.51 | mlLK | looks like all is well |
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| 09:26.47 | blast_hardcheese | What is that common font configuration line with like 16 sections called? I need to learn to write one |
| 09:26.48 | mlLK | how come everywhere else i read they claim it's customary to run apache from /usr/local |
| 09:26.58 | mlLK | i'm just curious |
| 09:27.04 | blast_hardcheese | mlLK: Probably built from source |
| 09:27.31 | mlLK | i have nothing in my local folder cept an ordinary looking tree |
| 09:27.38 | petemc | nor should you |
| 09:27.47 | enouf | unless |
| 09:27.48 | mlLK | all my apps are in etc |
| 09:28.18 | petemc | all the global config files for you apps are in /etc/ ... |
| 09:28.27 | mlLK | is /usr/local more appropriate for multiple user accounts? |
| 09:28.33 | mlLK | petemc, gotcha1 |
| 09:28.45 | mlLK | thats the key thing i needed to hear |
| 09:29.35 | NeoIce | is there something I can use to track traffic that isnt ntop? |
| 09:29.45 | NeoIce | I really just need in/out data |
| 09:29.53 | enouf | iftop? |
| 09:30.02 | petemc | NeoIce: nload, bwm, iptraf |
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| 09:30.40 | enouf | "watch tail /proc/net /dev" :-P |
| 09:30.50 | enouf | er |
| 09:30.55 | enouf | "watch tail /proc/net/dev" |
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| 09:31.00 | enouf | no space there |
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| 09:31.41 | colouragga | Hey all, I am in need of a firewall on my debian virtual server, is IP tables the way to go? |
| 09:31.56 | colouragga | I just want to allow traffic to 22 from certain hosts, access to 80 and 21 etc. |
| 09:32.04 | colouragga | And deny the rest. |
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| 09:35.53 | rm | colouragga, check out arno-iptables-firewall (it's the package name) |
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| 09:36.04 | rm | NeoIce, jnettop, iftop |
| 09:36.11 | colouragga | i'll google that :) |
| 09:36.13 | rm | latter is better |
| 09:36.44 | colouragga | do they all require reboots/downing-upping my network devices? |
| 09:37.13 | rm | colouragga, line starting with NeoIce was not for you but for NeoIce |
| 09:37.23 | jelly | reboots are usually only needed for kernel upgrades |
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| 09:37.33 | rm | and arno-iptables-firewall does not require that |
| 09:37.42 | petemc | colouragga: if you dont run services other than ssh/apache, then theres nothing to block, so you dont need a firewall |
| 09:38.10 | jelly | colouragga: also, downing/upping your network interfaces won't break the connections (like in some other OSes) |
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| 09:38.41 | colouragga | it's more that it's a virtual server and currently i don not have the possibility to access it when i lock myself out :) |
| 09:39.13 | jelly | you don't have console access? |
| 09:39.19 | jelly | time to change providers |
| 09:39.32 | colouragga | jelly: they have to activate it, it just got setup a few hours ago |
| 09:39.37 | colouragga | waiting for their e-mail on that ;) |
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| 09:42.20 | pred2k3 | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 09:42.25 | pred2k3 | hi, what version is that? |
| 09:42.43 | Doctor_Nick | THE GOOD VERSION |
| 09:42.52 | colouragga | so i have the arno-iptables-firewall running |
| 09:42.55 | Doctor_Nick | YOUR VERSION IS GOOD |
| 09:42.58 | colouragga | i'll nmap it, thanks guys :) |
| 09:43.39 | enouf | you want to upgrade the kernel pred2k3 - cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:43.44 | pred2k3 | cant upgrade |
| 09:43.46 | pred2k3 | geht errors |
| 09:43.55 | pred2k3 | get |
| 09:43.59 | bolt-work | !error |
| 09:43.59 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 09:44.03 | bolt-work | !errors |
| 09:44.03 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 09:44.05 | enouf | !security |
| 09:44.05 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 09:44.21 | tralala | pred2k3, trying to upgrade to lenny? |
| 09:44.36 | Kovensky | "unstable security" lol |
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| 09:45.36 | pred2k3 | im upgrading right now |
| 09:45.41 | pred2k3 | seems to work with aptitude |
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| 09:45.49 | tralala | pred2k3, did you follow etch->lenny? |
| 09:46.28 | pred2k3 | how to change language? |
| 09:46.30 | pred2k3 | (its german) |
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| 09:47.04 | enouf | pred2k3: you have many other questions to answer first |
| 09:47.10 | tralala | pred2k3, are you capable of following instructions and answering questions? |
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| 09:47.46 | enouf | well, maybe not many, but :-P |
| 09:47.56 | pred2k3 | dunno if i upgrade to lenny when I use aptitude upgrade |
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| 09:48.02 | pred2k3 | should.. |
| 09:48.46 | enouf | !tell pred2k3 -about locales |
| 09:49.26 | pred2k3 | ah lang ;) |
| 09:52.39 | pred2k3 | ]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
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| 09:59.14 | xst | What tools would you recommend to monitor your server health? (I have an HP Proliant DL360 G5) |
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| 09:59.37 | pred2k3 | this server is dead! reinstall! |
| 09:59.47 | jelly | !customer |
| 09:59.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:04.45 | jelly | xst: a monitoring tool of your choosing, plus some of hp's tools to make their custom measurables available via snmp or command line |
| 10:06.43 | xst | jelly: ok. My goal is to get a mail notification when a disk is crashing in the SmartArray RAID. Do you know how to accomplish this? |
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| 10:07.30 | wintix | xst: you could set up smartmond or something like that. maybe there even is a monitor thing for your specific raid solution |
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| 10:08.47 | xst | wintix: There is cpqarrayd, but it only writes to syslog - and can also contact "trap hosts" with SNMP. But I don't know how to use the SNMP protocol |
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| 10:09.54 | wintix | xst: the write a script in perl or something and scan the syslog for a specific error message. if it finds one send a mail |
| 10:09.58 | wintix | +n |
| 10:10.14 | petemc | or use one of the many premade apps that do that |
| 10:10.19 | petemc | no need to reinvent the wheel |
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| 10:10.39 | wintix | google usually helps, yes. |
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| 10:11.55 | xst | no, google doesn't help. Already tried google. Can't really find a monitor for a SmartArray RAID controller. Or preferably: A daemon that can monitor many aspects of the server, including the RAID array |
| 10:12.42 | rm | smartd from the package smartmontools |
| 10:13.00 | rm | though if the controller does not support SMART, it is unfortunate |
| 10:13.59 | jelly | xst: you can find a log tailer, though |
| 10:14.20 | jelly | also, |
| 10:14.22 | jelly | !proliant |
| 10:14.22 | dpkg | hmm... proliant is utilities for hp proliant servers packaged for etch hide behind this form http://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570AAE; their dependencies are not complete, also install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 10:14.41 | mquin | the hp tools (hpacucli / hpasm) are fairly scripting-friendly |
| 10:15.17 | mquin | there's a nagios plugins for both which we use here |
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| 10:15.56 | mquin | the only problems we've had are with hpasm sometimes reporting phantom DIMM failures |
| 10:16.48 | xst | mquin: I looked at nagios and tried installing it using apt-get. But it depends on apache - which we have already installed from source on the server. :| |
| 10:17.08 | jelly | !equivs |
| 10:17.08 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 10:18.00 | xst | Thanks |
| 10:18.05 | jelly | xst: nagios is a somewhat complex monitoring tool, suitable when you have lots of equipment |
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| 10:18.16 | Matt|GS | hello, does anyone have any experiance using svnmailer? |
| 10:18.34 | xst | jelly: Yes, there are quite a lot of plugins. However, I only have this one single server |
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| 10:18.56 | mquin | for a smaller scale approach - if you're happy doing a bit of scripting - take a look at 'mon' |
| 10:19.38 | xst | mquin: I would really prefer not to re-invent the wheel, so the less scripting required, the better. |
| 10:20.12 | jelly | more scripting in this case implies less total work figuring out snmp and nagios |
| 10:20.43 | fietsbel | guys, I have a question....when I try to start X it quits immediately....except when I put something in .xinitrc .. |
| 10:20.49 | fietsbel | isn't it possible to run x without anything in it ? |
| 10:21.26 | hifi | yes, but whats your point of not having anything started_ |
| 10:21.49 | mquin | fietsbel: yes, you can start an X server on it's own |
| 10:22.48 | fietsbel | how? |
| 10:22.49 | fietsbel | mquin ? |
| 10:22.53 | fietsbel | and how to keep it running? |
| 10:22.58 | hifi | just run "X" |
| 10:23.06 | xst | jelly: Apparently there is no debian version of the HP proliant tools. Which distros packages did you use instead? |
| 10:23.12 | fietsbel | cool |
| 10:23.12 | fietsbel | :p |
| 10:23.15 | fietsbel | thx |
| 10:23.27 | jelly | !tell xst -about proliant |
| 10:23.57 | jelly | xst: I've downloaded etch packages there, are you saying there are no more? |
| 10:24.18 | xst | Debian is not listed here: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?prodNameId=3288144&lang=en&cc=dk&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=1121486&taskId=135 |
| 10:24.57 | jelly | that's not the link dpkg provided. |
| 10:25.29 | xst | No, just saw it. Got it now. :-) |
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| 10:27.24 | Zharf | what's a good drawing program? |
| 10:28.03 | bolt-work | gimp? |
| 10:28.10 | Zharf | no, that's not a good one |
| 10:28.25 | petemc | yes it is |
| 10:28.38 | Zharf | no, it isn't really, it doesn't have a straight line tool |
| 10:28.40 | petemc | of course, thats subjective |
| 10:28.51 | petemc | tuxpaint |
| 10:29.00 | petemc | you'll love it |
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| 10:29.11 | Zharf | not exactly, tried it too :> |
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| 10:35.15 | simonrvn | gimp does too have a straight line tool |
| 10:35.24 | simonrvn | it's called hold shift key |
| 10:36.08 | simonrvn | why have a separate tool when you can hold down a key and get a straight line any time you want/ |
| 10:36.12 | simonrvn | . |
| 10:37.06 | jelly | Zharf: bitmap or vector oriented? |
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| 10:37.45 | Zharf | jelly, don't really care, I just want to draw some imaginary user interfaces |
| 10:37.54 | jelly | ... bitmap, then. |
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| 10:38.34 | jelly | unless you're using an imaginary linux vector-based graphical environment |
| 10:38.45 | Zharf | :) |
| 10:39.00 | JyZyXEL | imaginary! |
| 10:39.09 | tarzeau | jelly: they exist |
| 10:39.16 | JyZyXEL | yeaaa... sure they do |
| 10:39.27 | tarzeau | gnustep has gnustep-back0.14-cairo - The GNUstep GUI Backend |
| 10:39.39 | tarzeau | nextstep had display postscript like 15 years ago |
| 10:39.45 | jelly | tarzeau: phew, thought you were going to mention display postscript |
| 10:39.54 | tarzeau | jelly: it's similar |
| 10:39.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:39.55 | jelly | hah |
| 10:40.00 | xst | jelly: It just strikes me that the proliant packages you sent a link to is for i386 whereas I have an amd64 installation |
| 10:40.09 | jelly | xst: sucks you be you? |
| 10:40.15 | jelly | to* |
| 10:40.17 | xst | jelly: Are there an amd64 link also? |
| 10:40.24 | jelly | not that I know of, sorry |
| 10:41.03 | simonrvn | i wonder what was on jelly's mind, seeing from that typo :P |
| 10:41.14 | jelly | xst: you could try whether they'd work when ia32-libs are installed, I guess |
| 10:42.14 | jelly | xst: I'd try searching for "HP ProLiant Value Add Software amd64" on their web |
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| 10:43.01 | jelly | dpkg, proliant is also http://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8569AAE for amd64 |
| 10:43.01 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 10:43.21 | xst | jelly: You are the man! Thanks a lot!!! |
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| 10:47.01 | jelly | blows simonrvn an evil kiss |
| 10:47.16 | Pulpie | whats one word that means "people new to unix" without insulting them with something like "newb" |
| 10:47.16 | simonrvn | ooh, hunny, that's nice |
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| 10:47.51 | petemc | Pulpie: unexperienced |
| 10:47.59 | petemc | or is in inexperienced |
| 10:48.03 | petemc | s/in/it/ |
| 10:48.07 | amphi | Pulpie: 'the recently defenstrated'? ;) |
| 10:48.18 | amphi | *defenestrated |
| 10:48.31 | trumpen | Pulpie, novice ? |
| 10:48.31 | Pulpie | im looking for one word |
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| 10:48.40 | tralala | computing-challanged |
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| 10:49.36 | alexs_ | python-setuptools easy_install-2.5 doesn't work? |
| 10:49.41 | simonrvn | spelling challenged ;p |
| 10:49.49 | alexs_ | ImportError: No module named pkg_resources |
| 10:49.55 | simonrvn | is it supposed to? |
| 10:50.11 | alexs_ | Well it comes in a debian package, and it gets installed in /usr/bin, so i'd hope so |
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| 10:50.31 | tralala | I guess that makes me english-challenged |
| 10:50.35 | doudou | lib/cogito/cg-Xlib: line 215: 3448606093 +2351 (235100 * 3600 + 510020 * 60): syntax error in expression (error token is "(235100 * 3600 + 510020 * 60)") |
| 10:50.39 | simonrvn | does it have a job elsewhere? could be that it's tired. maybe it's a single parent, and working outside, and inside the house, so they have 2 jobs. |
| 10:50.58 | alexs_ | :-/ |
| 10:51.12 | petemc | alexs_: you could check the bts |
| 10:51.37 | alexs_ | I have googled much but ok. |
| 10:52.29 | alexs_ | doesn't appear to be mentioned |
| 10:52.45 | petemc | alexs_: huh? |
| 10:52.47 | tralala | alexs_, obviously some of the deps are missing |
| 10:53.02 | alexs_ | they aren't missing they are in /usr/share/pycentral |
| 10:53.03 | petemc | alexs_: oh, your particular problem isnt reported yet? |
| 10:53.09 | alexs_ | but that's not in the python sys.path |
| 10:53.13 | tralala | alexs_, and obviously you're trying to install something that's not packaged, so you'd have to track the deps yourself |
| 10:53.15 | alexs_ | so obviously it cant read any of the modules out of that |
| 10:53.35 | alexs_ | no pkg_resources is part of python-setuptools along with easy_install |
| 10:53.42 | aliases123 | hi if i want t otry something from experimental how do i go about backporting it to etch ? |
| 10:53.44 | alexs_ | it's just all in the wrong places |
| 10:53.57 | tralala | alexs_, can you import it from interactive session? |
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| 10:54.03 | alexs_ | no |
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| 10:54.09 | simonrvn | alexs_: if you have to ask.... don't. |
| 10:54.55 | alexs_ | I don't know if i've somehow broken my python install or if there is some configuration i have to do before it should work |
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| 10:55.32 | alexs_ | But it's not like I haven't looked and the setuptools README.Debian has nothing useful in |
| 10:56.18 | tralala | alexs_, normally you shouldn't do anything but install it |
| 10:56.19 | aliases123 | anyone ? |
| 10:56.26 | alexs_ | tralala: That is what I would expect |
| 10:56.34 | tralala | if it's not working you have to report a bug. |
| 10:56.42 | alexs_ | I have tried it on 2 etch installs and it works on neither |
| 10:56.49 | alexs_ | Can you confirm that it's borked? |
| 10:56.59 | alexs_ | Because it seems like such an obvious error in a fairly important package |
| 10:57.45 | simonrvn | aliases123: if you have to ask.... don't. |
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| 10:57.55 | simonrvn | alexs_: meant that for aliases123, sorry |
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| 10:58.40 | trylobytero | hi! |
| 10:58.55 | tralala | alexs_, let me try it |
| 10:59.10 | aliases123 | its a virtual machine. |
| 10:59.15 | alexs_ | I think maybe I'm meant to do something involving this pycentral tool to get it working |
| 10:59.33 | aliases123 | i was thinking it might be easier to just compile it. just wanted to see where samba 4 is up to :) |
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| 10:59.41 | trylobytero | which driver may I choose for a non detected samsung HM251JI hard disk at the installer? |
| 10:59.50 | tralala | alexs_, it works fine on etch with python2.4 |
| 10:59.59 | alexs_ | easy_install-2.5 |
| 11:00.05 | alexs_ | not easy_install |
| 11:00.11 | tralala | also the installation said: INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5' |
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| 11:01.28 | trylobytero | I'm trying to install debian 4.0r4a |
| 11:01.44 | blast_hardcheese | I remember there was a tool that you could pipe output into and it'd redirect to /var/log/messages |
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| 11:01.56 | blast_hardcheese | What's that tool called? |
| 11:02.03 | simonrvn | try harder |
| 11:02.04 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.10 | jelly | WHy IS no PyThon 2.6 in DEbian ?!?!?!?!!!!1 I ABSOLUTELY requiere it. |
| 11:02.15 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: logger? |
| 11:02.40 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, that was it |
| 11:02.42 | blast_hardcheese | thank |
| 11:02.43 | blast_hardcheese | *s |
| 11:02.49 | tralala | trylobytero, excellent! I hope you're following the installation guide |
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| 11:04.34 | V4Nelle | guys...my bios show time 14:00,my gnome show 14.:00 but xchat show 17:00.....any help? |
| 11:05.22 | JyZyXEL | oh wut how cool is this i didn't know you can have multiple songs inside mp3 |
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| 11:13.55 | scai | hi. is it possible to use suspend2disk from hibernate/uswsusp without an initrd? |
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| 11:14.18 | tralala | scai, no |
| 11:14.28 | scai | tralala: oh :( |
| 11:14.37 | scai | any plans to support this in the future? |
| 11:15.09 | tralala | I don't think it's technically feasible |
| 11:15.21 | abrotman | why not? |
| 11:15.28 | scai | why is there a need for an initrd? |
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| 11:16.26 | tralala | abrotman, because you'd need to mount a filesystem in order to load the programme |
| 11:16.52 | E-bola | Can anybody recomend a nic(s) that can be bonded/combined under debian and works well? (As in using 2 gbit nics to get a 2gbit connection) |
| 11:16.57 | tralala | scai, because the resume uses a userspace programme |
| 11:17.15 | aliases123 | tralala: at the present time you need something like an initrd ... but if you have something like linuxbios or coreboot i think its now called ... you might be ablt to change things. |
| 11:17.26 | scai | tralala: ok, this makes sense |
| 11:18.07 | scai | so is there a way to suspend without an userspace program? |
| 11:18.12 | debshital | i have splashtop installed on USB, and trying to boot, but its not recognising the boot screen so its keep flashing, when i give vga=786 in kernel line i will get some icons but not exactly so i want correct vga value, the screen i am booting into is ASUS EEPC with 800x480 pixel Can any one help me plz |
| 11:18.21 | tralala | scai, yes |
| 11:18.52 | abrotman | tralala: lies! |
| 11:18.54 | tralala | scai, the linux kernel supports suspend to disk out of the box |
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| 11:19.09 | abrotman | stops giving tralala a hard time |
| 11:19.16 | tralala | :) |
| 11:19.22 | scai | per /proc/acpi/sleep? |
| 11:19.40 | tralala | okay, to be politically correct: you cannot suspend without userspace programme, but you can resume without one |
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| 11:19.51 | scai | :) |
| 11:20.25 | ogzy | what can be the reason that i can see a file under etc dir when i dpkg x my deb package but when i install it i dont see it |
| 11:20.44 | tralala | scai, yeah I think so |
| 11:20.50 | enouf | there was some work and thought about using using kexec for suspend/resume, but i dont think it's gone anywhere far yet |
| 11:21.13 | scai | tralala: ok, thank you |
| 11:21.22 | tralala | scai, you're welcome |
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| 11:22.50 | enouf | the /proc/acpi/ dir entries are deprecated (though i think debian kernels still enable it CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER=y) - find the equivs in /sys |
| 11:22.55 | abrotman | ogzy: which file |
| 11:23.07 | abrotman | or probably which package |
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| 11:23.45 | ogzy | abrotman, Xmodmap, i can see the Xmodmap file is under debian/etc/X11 but when i installed the deb file it is not under the /etc/X11/ |
| 11:24.39 | alleyoopster | hi all, $mount /mnt/windows/ is giving me an error "ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/windows" fstab: " /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g users,locale=en_GB.utf8,uid=1000,gid=100,noauto 0 0" thanks |
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| 11:25.48 | tralala | aliases123, the parameter is 'user', not 'users' |
| 11:25.53 | enouf | ogzy: dpkg -L x11-xserver-utils |
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| 11:26.42 | aliases123 | tralala: ah ? |
| 11:26.43 | enouf | tralala: are not both available? or .. is that a specific ntfs-3g+fuse thing? |
| 11:27.08 | tralala | enouf, oh, are they? I didn't know |
| 11:27.10 | aliases123 | i said uses. |
| 11:27.14 | scai | enouf: ah, ok, i'll use the /sys interface, thanks |
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| 11:27.35 | ogzy | enouf, when i run it for my installed package that i created i can see it has /etc/X11/Xmodmap |
| 11:27.37 | enouf | scai: the kernel /Documentation has much good info |
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| 11:28.06 | scai | enouf: yeah |
| 11:28.27 | ogzy | enouf, but i can not se that file after installation |
| 11:28.30 | alleyoopster | I was wondering firstly if the fstab entry was correct, didnt know what to put for uid (as owner) so I just put UID of any user |
| 11:29.21 | enouf | http://www.lesswatts.org/ some other useful info |
| 11:29.49 | enouf | ogzy: define "it" and define "my installed package" ;-) |
| 11:30.12 | alleyoopster | I also had to add a fuse group manually and give chgrp on /dev/fuse |
| 11:30.25 | alleyoopster | anyone any ideas? |
| 11:30.58 | enouf | alleyoopster: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 11:31.01 | ogzy | enouf, ok i created a deb package that just copies some file to usr/bin and etc/X11, when i installet the package i can see the files under usr/bin but there should also be a Xmodmap under etc/X11/ |
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| 11:31.50 | enouf | alleyoopster: pretty sure if you installed fuse+ntfs-3g correctly, you have a 'fuser' group? did you add your self to that? |
| 11:32.07 | enouf | alleyoopster: i never used that crap though, no need ;-) |
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| 11:33.10 | ewet | hello, since the kernel update to 2.6.26-1-amd I have various issues with (apparently) 32bit libraries especially the libGL.so.1 - until today I always used the NV script - today I used m-a the first time. still google-earth crashes and wine gl-apps are ridiculusly slow and/or crash. |
| 11:33.32 | ewet | so where do I start to debug all this mess? |
| 11:34.32 | tralala | alleyoopster, did you try to give write permissions to /mnt/windows? |
| 11:34.45 | tralala | aliases123, sorry, tab misfire |
| 11:34.46 | alleyoopster | enouf: installed ntfs-3g from package, but didnt install fuse, have no fuser group |
| 11:35.16 | alleyoopster | enouf: its not for me, its for the parents ;) |
| 11:35.40 | xst | How can I get an up-to-date version of clamav in etch? The one in the default repository is quite outdated |
| 11:35.51 | enouf | alleyoopster: pretty sure you need to install fuse pkg(s) |
| 11:36.37 | alleyoopster | enouf: searching packages gives me, amoung others, afuse would that be right? |
| 11:36.58 | enouf | ogzy: if you're making custom pkgs, i suggest maybe #debian-mentors on oftc.net, or the mailing lists, also /msg dpkg nmg |
| 11:37.21 | enouf | alleyoopster: the factoid doens't tell you? |
| 11:37.45 | ogzy | enouf, just packaging my own application, you think i may ask dpkg related at #debian-mentors? |
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| 11:38.04 | enouf | i guess not, maybe it pulls it in as a depends |
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| 11:38.14 | abrotman | enouf: join me! |
| 11:38.22 | alleyoopster | enouf : I'll try it |
| 11:38.53 | enouf | ogzy: i guess, not sure what else to tell ya |
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| 11:40.38 | enouf | alleyoopster: fuse-utils ? |
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| 11:41.27 | alleyoopster | enouf: yeah found it and it creates grp, i would have thought that ntfs-3g should pull this in, seems a bit weird it does not |
| 11:41.58 | enouf | alleyoopster: wish list bug? |
| 11:42.23 | enouf | alleyoopster: or, maybe aptitude already Recommends: it? |
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| 11:42.52 | enouf | joins abrotman somewhere |
| 11:43.02 | ewet | is there a "generally no closed source nvidia script" topic ban or something else I should know of? |
| 11:43.34 | alleyoopster | enouf: ah ha! - maybe,I should look at this, thanks for you help |
| 11:43.37 | enouf | ewet: using the debian methods, help is available - sometimes those that know are not around though ;-) |
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| 11:44.26 | ewet | enouf: good - i was just curious ;) |
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| 11:44.47 | enouf | ewet: you updated kernel from which version? to 2.6.26-1-amd64 ? |
| 11:44.58 | enouf | upgraded* i should say |
| 11:45.25 | ewet | enouf: 2.6.25-2-amd64 |
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| 11:46.10 | enouf | ewet: did you compile both those? or are they both debian linux-image-KERNEL pkgs? |
| 11:46.31 | ewet | a reliable how to remove this nvidia-script mess would help starting it... |
| 11:46.34 | ewet | enouf: vanilla |
| 11:46.49 | enouf | ewet: vanilla to me, means kernel.org |
| 11:47.16 | enouf | ewet: is that what you mean? |
| 11:47.18 | ewet | enouf: oh! no debian pkgs |
| 11:47.22 | enouf | ok |
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| 11:48.28 | enouf | ewet: all i know is the newest 177.80 version is not good, someone mentioned it here not long ago - are you using that version? |
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| 11:49.14 | enouf | ewet: and have you seen the wiki in the /msg dpkg nvidia factoid? |
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| 11:50.05 | encrypt | is there a way to know which software is using X bandwidth? i mean, something to list programs runnins and how many bandwidth they are currently using |
| 11:50.28 | bolt-work | ntop |
| 11:50.47 | brainsoft | i have a doubt about ram: if I have enough free ram so im not swaping, then I run 10 apps, and run out of ram except some because there must always be |
| 11:51.00 | brainsoft | I run the 11 app and I start swapping |
| 11:51.07 | brainsoft | this means that all apps are gonna swap? |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | !am i swapping |
| 11:51.17 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
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| 11:51.45 | enouf | encrypt: if you want a full blown gui, might try etherape - but i use iftop, though i don't have many things running |
| 11:52.05 | ewet | enouf: the system is pretty much debianized - only the nv drivers were installed via script from the start. second last version was 173.14.05 (working with older kernels) this one was not installing on the new. last one was 173.14.12 - this one installed but libGL (32bit) was not. and then I started using the wiki method for lenny (m-a) |
| 11:52.25 | encrypt | cool thanks |
| 11:52.27 | ewet | before I used m-a i started the script with --uninstall (if that helped...) |
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| 11:53.34 | ewet | now libGL is installed but apps are constantly crashing (and screenlock does not work anymore and ... so on) |
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| 11:54.09 | ewet | so I suppose this is due to the proprietary script mess I used before |
| 11:54.15 | enouf | ewet: i'm afraid i can't help .. i just haven't messed with any of that much |
| 11:55.19 | ewet | enouf: thanks for trying :) |
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| 11:57.32 | enouf | ewet: (just a guess) try either a) reinstalling your libg1-mesa-{dri,glx} pkgs, or b) remove them, and replace them with libgl1-mesa-sw11? |
| 11:57.44 | brainsoft | I have a doubt about ram and swap imagine this case: I have enought ram to run 10 apps so 10 apps are ram loaded. Then I run the 11 app and start swapping. |
| 11:57.48 | brainsoft | only 11+ apps will swap? is like 10 first apps have ram preference? All apps are gona swap? what would happen? |
| 11:58.02 | terver | hello, i try to build i386 kernel on my amd64 machine, but when build finish i still get amd64 package and i386 can't install it. i build kernel with this: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --cross-compile - --arch=i386 --initrd kernel_image - how to fix that? |
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| 11:58.13 | petemc | brainsoft: how virtual memory works isnt something you can really infer |
| 11:58.23 | petemc | nor is it simple |
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| 11:58.28 | brainsoft | ok |
| 11:58.58 | brainsoft | so we'd have to suppose all is gonna swap sometimes |
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| 11:59.16 | Trewas | brainsoft: the oldest not-touched pages will be swapped out first, "first" apps don't get any preference |
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| 11:59.45 | ogzy | enouf, strange i changed the Makefile and copied Xmodmap with xmodmap it worked :), then i changed its name with a postinst |
| 12:00.06 | abrotman | that seems like a poor idea |
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| 12:00.30 | pbn | Hi there, is there something like lsusb for firewire ? |
| 12:00.35 | enouf | ewet: i'm pretty sure, the libgl1-mesa-(dri,glx) pkgs are (useless, not needed, unused) when using the nvidia blob. However, i think the nvidia blob install either (replaces or does something to) the libGL from said pkgs |
| 12:00.38 | jelly | brainsoft: the general idea is to swap out least-recently used pages, or, more ideally, the ones that aren't going to be used soon |
| 12:00.40 | pbn | I've plugged in an external disk but I can't see it |
| 12:01.21 | enouf | ogzy: i was thinking the .postinst script was responsible for that, ok |
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| 12:01.36 | abrotman | maybe ogzy needs a confmiss lesson |
| 12:01.38 | ewet | enouf: you're so right! ... I'll definitly reinstall the whole bunch |
| 12:01.43 | petemc | pbn: check dmesg or syslog/messages |
| 12:02.04 | ogzy | abrotman, i am not a deb package professional |
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| 12:03.45 | enouf | brainsoft: do you have enough RAM? if you do (*and* are running amd64 arch) and you want to try some coarse memory management, look into the numa=fake boot options |
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| 12:05.32 | enouf | terver: see make-kpkg --help , see maybe --arch_in_name Embed the subarch in the image package name |
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| 12:06.09 | jorgos | is debian 4.04 the same with etch-and-a-half? |
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| 12:08.14 | enouf | terver: i haven't yet had to cross-compile though, so not sure what you're doing incorrectly, just a hunch - (also note the --subarch and --targets options) |
| 12:08.45 | pbn | Hm damnit, when I plug in this external USB drive, it appears Linux can't see it |
| 12:08.46 | pbn | look: |
| 12:08.48 | pbn | Oct 10 14:07:11 lithium kernel: usb 4-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 |
| 12:08.51 | pbn | Oct 10 14:07:48 lithium last message repeated 4 times |
| 12:08.54 | pbn | Oct 10 14:07:48 lithium kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
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| 12:08.58 | pbn | sorry only 3 lines of paste |
| 12:10.15 | petemc | pbn: you previously said it was firewire, now its usb - which is it? |
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| 12:11.49 | enouf | jorgos: i believe the 4.0r4 release made Etchnhalf an official (careful using this term ;-)) part of it, yes |
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| 12:12.28 | enouf | jorgos: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 12:12.39 | ewet | enouf: while reinstalling several libraries I experienced the following: aptitude will always tray to uninstall the pkg m-a created (nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64) - why that? |
| 12:12.47 | pbn | petemc: well it has both firewire and USB connectros :) |
| 12:13.00 | pbn | petemc: first tried with FireWire, without success, now I'm trying USB 2.x |
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| 12:13.37 | pbn | isn't there some command to compeltely "reset" the usb layer in Debian GNU/Linux ? |
| 12:13.50 | jelly | pbn: does the device work on any other OS, or when connected to another machine? |
| 12:14.10 | enouf | pbn: run udevmonitor in a seperate terminal while doing all this |
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| 12:14.17 | enouf | ewet: tainted? |
| 12:14.24 | pbn | jelly: tried it on one Debian GNU/Linux machine and one MacOSX machine, none of them could see the disk |
| 12:14.43 | petemc | mac should certainly support firewire |
| 12:14.47 | enouf | ewet: IOW, perhaps you needed to do the reinstalling prior to building anew |
| 12:14.53 | jelly | pbn: the last paste you did suggests there might be something wrong with the hardware |
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| 12:15.30 | pbn | jelly: ok |
| 12:15.41 | pbn | hm ow do I install udevmonitor ? aptitude install something ? |
| 12:16.05 | enouf | pbn: if you have udev, you should have it already |
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| 12:17.14 | enouf | hrm, it might've been replaced with udevadmin? ... but either way, as others noted, looks like a hardware issue, so no help |
| 12:17.24 | pbn | enouf: sorry, no such command... there's udevadm and udevinfo though |
| 12:17.41 | pbn | enouf: yeah I was thinking about a hardware issue... |
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| 12:18.41 | pbn | but this exteranl hard drive is kinda expensive, it's a LaCie d2 BigDisk with USB 2.0, FireWire 400 and FireWire 800... this really isn't low-end so it wuld be kinda disapponting it it had hardware problems :) |
| 12:18.48 | ewet | enouf: well then okay |
| 12:19.13 | jorgos | enouf: I needed support for some hardware with the etch-and-a-half kernel, however I cannot find any .isos for it, except for 4.04. however it doesn't have the kernel version etch-and-a-half includes. |
| 12:19.38 | jorgos | is it available only as an update? |
| 12:20.24 | pbn | ouch, there's something serious ther e!! |
| 12:20.25 | pbn | UDEV [1223641213.733834] remove /kernel/uids/65534 (kernel) |
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| 12:20.27 | pbn | UEVENT[1223641213.777102] add /kernel/uids/65534 (kernel) |
| 12:20.45 | pbn | that's what udevadm monitor repeats like 20 times per second |
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| 12:21.32 | enouf | pbn: i suspect, if not a hardware issue, some proprietary firmware related crap |
| 12:21.44 | pbn | enouf: might be |
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| 12:22.00 | pbn | enouf: usually with external USB or Firewire drives in Linux, you plug it in, format the disk, it works |
| 12:22.09 | enouf | jorgos: if you have etch, and use apt-get update; the .24 kernel will show up |
| 12:22.23 | enouf | jorgos: or aptitude update - or any other interface |
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| 12:22.58 | strk | is there an irc chan for the debian edu conference? |
| 12:23.05 | enouf | jorgos: it's 4.0r4, not 4.04 |
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| 12:23.34 | jorgos | ok thanks |
| 12:23.42 | enouf | pbn: yep, but then again - there's all sorts of weird nonsensical gadgetry crap out there |
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| 12:23.49 | pbn | okay well I'll try to solve that |
| 12:23.52 | pbn | enouf: ok thanks :) |
| 12:23.54 | pbn | gotta run |
| 12:23.55 | enouf | pbn: not to mention u3 O_o |
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| 12:24.15 | |fluxdude| | arg, running update-grub is not updating the auto-magic kernel section in grub's menu.lst... |
| 12:24.18 | |fluxdude| | any ideas? |
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| 12:24.40 | |fluxdude| | it didn't update the grub menu when I removed and then installed a new kernel just now... |
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| 12:24.59 | enouf | check /etc/kernel-img.conf settings |
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| 12:25.46 | enouf | erm, but if running it manually doesn't do the trick, then something else is amiss, like maybe a ro mount for your /boot partition? |
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| 12:27.26 | enouf | also, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version should run/check it, if needed |
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| 12:30.44 | |fluxdude| | enouf: no it's not ro mounted, /etc/kernel-img.conf has only do_symlinks = Yes |
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| 12:31.10 | |fluxdude| | and running update-grub does not add the grub stanza for the kernel... |
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| 12:31.39 | et | !ops voz| |
| 12:31.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: et complains about: voz| |
| 12:31.56 | enouf | |fluxdude|: are you using Debian? that file should contain; |
| 12:31.59 | enouf | postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 12:31.59 | enouf | postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 12:32.35 | enouf | (and other things) |
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| 12:33.11 | |fluxdude| | ok I am missing the initrd which seems to have not been installed... any ideas on how to pull this in, I has previously been created automatically by apt-get install kernel-name |
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| 12:33.51 | abrotman | whatever |
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| 12:35.18 | enouf | |fluxdude|: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version should run mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 12:35.47 | |fluxdude| | enouf: I did, but it didn't make it, runing mkinitramfs manually now |
| 12:36.12 | enouf | |fluxdude|: you do not have no initrd due to installing a linux-image-VERSION |
| 12:36.24 | enouf | you did something really wrong somehwere |
| 12:36.32 | |fluxdude| | enouf: ok it created an initrd, but the update-grub still doesn't add the stanza |
| 12:36.54 | enouf | run update-initramfs -k -u version |
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| 12:37.38 | enouf | or, with no options - it's also possible someone has set your menu.lst to NOT allow updating |
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| 12:38.01 | enouf | see the comments in the file - it tells you explicitly |
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| 12:40.41 | enouf | and, if you have # updatedefaultentry=false set like that, the stanzas won't be at the top of the list (default) |
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| 12:41.41 | |fluxdude| | enouf: tried update-initramfs -k -u version but having my vmlinuz and my initrd does not seem to help enough |
| 12:41.59 | |fluxdude| | grub still won't play ball and auto-magically add the stanzas which I really want to work |
| 12:42.19 | |fluxdude| | sure I can write them myself easily but in future I want upgrades to auto-magically add-remove entries |
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| 12:43.08 | enouf | you're being way to vague for me to continue to help |
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| 12:43.21 | enouf | s/to/too |
| 12:43.23 | somedude | is there a media converter in debian main |
| 12:43.33 | enouf | somedude: sox? |
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| 12:43.48 | idimmu | mplayer |
| 12:43.54 | idimmu | ? |
| 12:44.02 | enouf | ditto on mplayer as well |
| 12:44.10 | somedude | oo wow sox is a good program |
| 12:44.20 | somedude | but i mean video media |
| 12:44.23 | somedude | should have clarified |
| 12:44.36 | somedude | i have mplayer installed but for some reason i don't have mencoder with it |
| 12:44.45 | idimmu | o |
| 12:44.56 | enouf | !tell somedude -about dmm |
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| 12:45.32 | ewet | enouf: okay here's what I've done: I d/l the full nvidia package (...-pkg2.run) and installed it with the script. It seems that the amd64 ditro just doesn't have all the nessesary libraries for 32bit apps... the full pack will have all files (although not being nice to the system) |
| 12:45.58 | ewet | now everything runs just fine |
| 12:46.23 | |fluxdude| | enouf: basically, I have apt-get install linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64, have generated the initramfs manually since it wasn't there, and still update-grub doesn't add the stanza to menu.lst but there is no error msg... |
| 12:46.28 | enouf | ewet: ok |
| 12:46.51 | |fluxdude| | this whole automagic kernel thing is nice, but it's really dumb when it doesn't work and doesn't give any error why... |
| 12:46.54 | enouf | |fluxdude|: checked the BTS? |
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| 12:47.17 | |fluxdude| | enouf: no, bug tracking system? |
| 12:47.21 | enouf | yep |
| 12:48.18 | |fluxdude| | enouf: screw it, wrong the menu.lst myself, will just have to be careful on kernel upgrade to change this... |
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| 12:48.47 | somedude | i tried to install mencoder off that multimedia repo |
| 12:48.54 | somedude | its telling me to insert a cd-rom |
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| 12:49.11 | enouf | somedude: make your sources.list file correct |
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| 12:49.29 | enouf | !tell somedude -about sources.list |
| 12:49.32 | somedude | what's not correct about it |
| 12:49.39 | enouf | somedude: comment out the cdrom line |
| 12:50.24 | enouf | somedude: and run apt-get update prior to anything |
| 12:50.27 | Raekism | I followed the directions on installed KDE to Lenny Debian however when I boot up I do not see a KDE option. What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:50.28 | somedude | heh |
| 12:50.52 | enouf | somedude: ensure you have a/the security lines - /msg dpkg security |
| 12:51.26 | enouf | Raekism: are you using a DM? |
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| 12:52.16 | Raekism | Sorry what is DM? |
| 12:52.22 | enouf | !dm |
| 12:52.22 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 12:52.31 | Raekism | yes |
| 12:53.03 | enouf | which one? and where did you get those "directions" from? |
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| 12:53.36 | keith4 | these... alleged directions |
| 12:54.05 | Raekism | I used what was out of the gox |
| 12:54.13 | Raekism | *box |
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| 12:54.25 | enouf | jack in the box? |
| 12:54.26 | Raekism | So I guess the gnome DM |
| 12:54.28 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:54.31 | tralala | there is no box |
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| 12:54.49 | enouf | spork! :-p |
| 12:55.04 | Raekism | I installed the default option with Debian Lenny so whatever is there I am using |
| 12:55.20 | enouf | !install kde |
| 12:55.21 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 12:57.14 | Raekism | thanks i will check it out |
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| 12:58.15 | dqn | hello, how can I find out what's the name of the package that has /usr/bin/java ? |
| 12:58.27 | idimmu | dpkg -S /usr/bin/java ? |
| 12:58.27 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/bin/java! |
| 12:58.29 | JordiGH | The experimental branch is supposed to mean, "too unstable even for unstable", right? I get the feeling these semantics are abused during freeze time, where instead it seems to mean, "cool new stuff that we don't really want to upload to main because there's an older version we want to support for upcoming stable". That being said, is OO.o 3 really all that buggy? |
| 12:58.30 | enouf | Raekism: once you take care of all that - run update-alternatives --config x-{TAB}{TAB} to set all the x default options |
| 12:58.42 | idimmu | although iir /usr/bin/java is a symlink |
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| 12:59.26 | idimmu | so you might want to follow the symlink about and see what real file it ends up at |
| 12:59.26 | Raekism | k |
| 12:59.26 | Raekism | thanks |
| 12:59.29 | enouf | Raekism: if tab completion isn't working, enable it by uncommenting out the 3 lines in your ~/.bashrc file - then logout/login |
| 12:59.29 | dqn | idimmu: oh I see |
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| 13:00.31 | enouf | readlink -f /usr/bin/java |
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| 13:00.42 | enouf | update-java-alternatives |
| 13:00.53 | enouf | (what a mess, heh) |
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| 13:02.11 | dqn | hmmmm thanks alot! |
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| 13:02.25 | enouf | JordiGH: people were pulling certain kde4 elements from there while using sid, so, YMMV - i wouldn't know about OO.o |
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| 13:03.11 | JordiGH | enouf: Kay... Well, it's not as if I actually need office software, so I won't care if it gets broken. (no sarcasm) I'll try it. :-) |
| 13:03.31 | nocturn | I'm trying to install Lenny 64bit, but I get a kernel panic when it tries to format the partitions... |
| 13:03.32 | enouf | !attaboy JordiGH ! |
| 13:03.44 | nocturn | Lenny 32-bit works fine strangely enough |
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| 13:04.46 | tralala | nocturn, using which installer? |
| 13:05.03 | JordiGH | There's more than one installer nowadays? |
| 13:05.25 | nocturn | tralala: I just downloaded the Lenny CD from debian.org |
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| 13:05.47 | nocturn | CentOS 64-bit installs but has the same crash after installing BTW |
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| 13:05.58 | nocturn | so I don't think it's debian specific |
| 13:06.04 | tralala | nocturn, you have downloaded _a_ lenny cd, the question is which one |
| 13:06.11 | JordiGH | nocturn: I guess the question is if you're using the graphical installer or not, but I don't see how that could matter. |
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| 13:06.32 | nocturn | Ok, both installer share this problem |
| 13:06.44 | nocturn | As I said, CentOS and Ubuntu 64 bit do not work either... |
| 13:06.58 | nocturn | So it's probably kernel-related |
| 13:07.00 | enouf | nocturn: what's your CPU? |
| 13:07.03 | JordiGH | Is the graphical installer gonna be default in lenny? |
| 13:07.18 | nocturn | Pentium 4 EM64T capable |
| 13:07.27 | JordiGH | Funny how the graphical installer doesn't actually make any task any easier; all it does is make the text less threatening, I guess. |
| 13:07.32 | JordiGH | Pentium 4? |
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| 13:07.41 | enouf | JordiGH: ask the -boot team, i don't know, but i'm sure both options will be avail |
| 13:07.52 | enouf | pentium D? |
| 13:08.11 | nocturn | I tried the onboard controller (ICH6R) and an external Adaptec 1220SA, no change |
| 13:08.19 | enouf | JordiGH: how about the screenshot button :-) |
| 13:08.36 | nocturn | enouf: Pentium 4 (it's an older machine) |
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| 13:09.04 | enouf | which p4 is 64bit nocturn ? |
| 13:09.35 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah, I don't know what the purpose of that screenshot button is. |
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| 13:09.51 | nocturn | enouf: the 6xx series |
| 13:09.52 | JordiGH | I mean, screenshots, but what for? |
| 13:10.13 | enouf | JordiGH: i do, it's cool ;-) great for making tuts ;-) and for saving like grub errors in RED! :-) |
| 13:10.16 | et | getting help "what does this mean"? |
| 13:10.51 | JordiGH | enouf: Hey, actually, do you have a picture of that? I don't think I've seen what the graphical installer does when something horrible happens. |
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| 13:12.03 | JordiGH | That red screen in the traditional installer was quite menacing. |
| 13:12.12 | Darkentity | hay anyone tried to install nvidia drivers debian's way on a lenny build? it seems that i ran into a problem of nvidia_drv.so not being in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers; also i used version 173_14.09_i386 of both nvidia_kernel_source and nvidia-glx. anyone know why it's not there? |
| 13:13.08 | Henry-Nicolas | Hi, I recently setup Postfix with virtual account, but it looks like Postfix is case sensitive for destination address, any idea on how to disable that ? |
| 13:14.28 | enouf | hrm seems certain 540/550/560 models also support amd64 bit extensions |
| 13:15.00 | enouf | JordiGH: haha - wait , let me see here |
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| 13:16.16 | zo_orki | Does anybody know, how to setup alsa-midi-output? I've got some problems with that: http://web.abi08.info/stephan/alsa_midi.html |
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| 13:17.03 | zilong | hello |
| 13:17.34 | enouf | JordiGH: ah.. actually the GUI screen/error isn't so menacing at all, it's not all red, like the text/ncurses one is ;-) http://picpaste.com/grub-installer_grub-install-failed_0.png |
| 13:17.58 | enouf | JordiGH: note; that's the old Etch rc1 installer though |
| 13:18.04 | ||arifaX | Hi, I want to use debian x86 bigmem kernel on my kubuntu hardy. is there a good howto for doing that and what might cause problems? |
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| 13:18.21 | JordiGH | ||arifaX: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:19.42 | jelly | ||arifaX: we have to idea what sort of bad interactions might that cause. Try it and see. ;-) |
| 13:19.55 | JordiGH | enouf: Aw, man. That doesn't look like such a big error. |
| 13:20.15 | JordiGH | ||arifaX: Oh, sorry, didn't read you wanted to use a Debian kernel on Ubuntu. That's an idea probably full of fail. |
| 13:20.45 | ||arifaX | JordiGH: I want to stay on x86 but have 4gigs or ram in my notebook so that's why I am asking! |
| 13:20.46 | enouf | JordiGH: i know .. haha - we need the ncurses screenshots! |
| 13:20.59 | ||arifaX | JordiGH: *buntu does not provide bigmem x86 |
| 13:21.10 | si0ux | http://www.debianart.org/contest/lenny-slogan.html |
| 13:21.13 | enouf | what? |
| 13:21.13 | ||arifaX | JordiGH: so I have to compile *buntu kernel with bigmem flag |
| 13:21.16 | jelly | ||arifaX: do they provide -amd64 kernels on i386 distro like debian does? |
| 13:21.27 | jelly | if they do, you can use that |
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| 13:21.36 | ||arifaX | jelly: but I want to stay x86 |
| 13:21.42 | enouf | ... |
| 13:21.47 | themill | install debian |
| 13:21.53 | JordiGH | votes for the spiral. |
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| 13:22.14 | jelly | ||arifaX: debian has and64 kernel images for the i386 distro. Nothing else changes, just the kernel |
| 13:22.25 | JordiGH | Actually, no. I voted for the alltime slogan: the universal operating system. |
| 13:22.32 | jelly | JordiGH: hurd? |
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| 13:22.42 | JordiGH | jelly: Debian! |
| 13:22.47 | jelly | riight. |
| 13:22.51 | dqn | why they don't allow to enter own slogan and presume theirs are so great ;p |
| 13:23.03 | pablo | hi, how do i list the packages that depend on a package and that are installed on my system? like apt-cache rdepends but for the packages on my system. |
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| 13:23.26 | ||arifaX | thanks for your help |
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| 13:23.41 | JordiGH | pablo: Moment, bashism coming up... |
| 13:24.30 | jelly | pablo: there's probably a weird aptitude search string to do that |
| 13:24.51 | JordiGH | jelly: You look for the aptitude string; I'm building the pipeline, let's see who wins! |
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| 13:25.04 | pablo | xD |
| 13:26.09 | jelly | I'm just going to point pablo to aptitude-doc-en, and /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html (or nearby) |
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| 13:26.58 | themill | you can "aptitude why packagename" in lenny/sid. |
| 13:27.30 | themill | thinks that beats JordiGH's pipeline :P |
| 13:27.39 | JordiGH | is about halfway done... |
| 13:27.43 | themill | heh |
| 13:28.05 | JordiGH | Okay, I'm sticking Perl in there. Cheating, I guess. :-( |
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| 13:28.49 | pablo | lol |
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| 13:30.56 | enouf | si0ux: i have to fire up the bloated konq just to click the Vote! button .. sigh |
| 13:31.32 | karsten | enouf: It's not bloated! It's just retaining water. |
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| 13:31.57 | enouf | stabs it with a hat pin! |
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| 13:32.48 | pablo | themill: mm aptitude why doesnt works so well |
| 13:33.16 | pablo | themill: aptitude why libstdc++6 iceweasel Depends libstdc++6 and it doesnt list apt |
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| 13:33.46 | jelly | JordiGH: what, you still think you can beat aptitude search '~i ~Dpackagename'? |
| 13:33.55 | enouf | pablo: why not feed dpkg -l output to apt-cache rdepends? |
| 13:34.28 | themill | pablo: I have no idea what you mean by that last statement. |
| 13:34.40 | pablo | enouf: yes i would like to, but how |
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| 13:34.53 | jelly | pablo: no, just "aptitude why libstdc++6" |
| 13:34.58 | JordiGH | apt-cache rdepends libgsl0-dev | tail --lines=+3 | xargs apt-cache policy | perl -ne 'if(/Installed/){ print $prev unless /none/;} $prev = $_;' |
| 13:34.59 | enouf | pablo: simple bash scripting, maybe awk |
| 13:35.09 | JordiGH | jelly: I guess not, but at least it was fun! |
| 13:35.23 | JordiGH | Er, $packagename instead of libgsl0-dev, of course. |
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| 13:36.34 | pablo | JordiGH: thanks |
| 13:37.09 | JordiGH | Did it work? It worked here. :-) |
| 13:38.01 | Raekism | thanks enouf I have KDE working |
| 13:38.02 | Raekism | !firefox |
| 13:38.02 | dpkg | somebody said firefox was replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>. |
| 13:38.12 | Raekism | really? |
| 13:38.19 | Raekism | I like firefox though |
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| 13:38.47 | JordiGH | Raekism: Iceweasel is just a rebranding. |
| 13:38.56 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 13:39.01 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 13:39.10 | [gnubie] | where is the best place to read for packaging a debian binary package for own use? i will be downloading a .tar.gz source package from the upstream project and i want to compile it on my machine and make it as a debian binary package.. anyone? |
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| 13:39.28 | JordiGH | But the ultimate solution to Firefox/Iceweasel is Firesomething. Right now I'm browsing with Mozilla Spacebaboon. |
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| 13:39.36 | themill | dpkg: tell [gnubie] about nmg |
| 13:40.14 | Raekism | so iceweasel is firefox basically? |
| 13:40.19 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: Do you want to make a real Debian package or just want dpkg to track the thing you install from source? For the latter, consider checkinstall. For the former, what themill said. |
| 13:40.26 | Raekism | I have when it gets all confusing over silly things |
| 13:40.32 | JordiGH | Raekism: It's got a few Debian-specific patches but nothing major; it's mostly just a rebranding. |
| 13:40.42 | Raekism | ok thanks |
| 13:40.52 | pablo | JordiGH: i will save that script |
| 13:41.07 | enouf | pablo: ~$ for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | awk '{ print$2 }') ; do apt-cache rdepends $i ; done |
| 13:41.15 | [gnubie] | themill: that's an information overload for me.. i just need for my own use so that i will not install the source package the traditional way of "./configure ; make ; make install" |
| 13:41.39 | JordiGH | Raekism: You really should look into Firesomething. ;-) |
| 13:41.41 | pablo | JordiGH: yeah it worked |
| 13:41.54 | themill | [gnubie]: checkinstall *might* work for you, otherwise the new maintainer's guide and dh_make will do it for you. |
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| 13:42.25 | zahna | how would one handle updates on a large debian deployment? |
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| 13:42.30 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i want to have a binary .deb package and install it with a dpkg command |
| 13:42.36 | zahna | i'm looking at deploying either centos or debian right now |
| 13:42.43 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: But do you want that binary .deb to follow Debian policy or not? |
| 13:42.56 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: I mean, is it ok for instance if the .deb installs stuff in /usr/local? |
| 13:43.19 | themill | zahna: probably with your own private repository and cron-apt automatically installing (tested) updates from that repo onto the boxes. |
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| 13:43.48 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i don't know honestly the debian policy.. i just want to make this source package compiled, turn into a .deb package and install it on my system |
| 13:43.48 | zahna | themill: i was suspecting that would be the answer (except for cron-apt. i haven't seen that before.) |
| 13:43.57 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: ah |
| 13:43.59 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: Then use checkinstall. |
| 13:44.00 | themill | dpkg: tell zahna about cron-apt |
| 13:44.23 | zahna | heh |
| 13:44.24 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i want as much as possible to distribute it to it's specific location like debian do |
| 13:45.06 | [gnubie] | for example, binaries goes to /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, docs goes to /usr/share/doc/, etc.. |
| 13:45.24 | themill | [gnubie]: nothing can do that automatically for you |
| 13:45.27 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: My question is, how much work do you want to do (or need to do)? Packaging stuff for Debian is complicated. Creating a private .deb just to have dpkg track your own source installs like everything else is easy. |
| 13:46.17 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: There's no way to guarantee that the .deb will install that way with checkinstall; you'd have to do a full Debian packaging if you really want to adhere to Debian rules. It might be easy, but a lot of upstream software doesn't obey Debian policy in the least and you have to coax it do so. |
| 13:46.18 | enouf | heh, i redirected to > /tmp/file - it ends up being 1.3MB O_o |
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| 13:47.03 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i just want it to be simple as much as possible.. i don't have time to read, understand, test and apply what is being said in the different debian manuals/guides |
| 13:47.03 | circuit | hi |
| 13:47.10 | circuit | know anything about UBIFS? |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | [gnubie]: what software is this? |
| 13:47.24 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i've been looking for a howto but it looks like not complete to me |
| 13:47.24 | circuit | says it is optimized for FLASH disks |
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| 13:47.25 | JordiGH | [gnubie]: Then use checkinstall, but there's no way to guarantee that it will install stuff to standard Debian locations. |
| 13:47.32 | enouf | use windows :-p |
| 13:48.13 | [gnubie] | JordiGH: i see.. |
| 13:48.22 | enouf | circuit: is that what it's called? i read something about that on lwn.net |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | [gnubie]: what software is this? |
| 13:48.33 | [gnubie] | abrotman: asterisk |
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| 13:48.40 | abrotman | [gnubie]: but that's already in debian |
| 13:48.48 | jelly | [gnubie]: if you don't have time to learn, you might have to pay a consultant to set things up like your specification says |
| 13:48.53 | [gnubie] | abrotman: the version 1.4.22 ? |
| 13:49.09 | zahna | circuit: depending on what you're trying to do, it might be better to use regular filesystems read-only, then union mount a few ramdisks in locations where you'd want to write |
| 13:49.16 | abrotman | lenny has 1.4.21 |
| 13:49.46 | abrotman | [gnubie]: does the .1 matter? |
| 13:49.50 | [gnubie] | abrotman: the latest one at the unstable repository is 1.4.21.2 and it requires to install unstable packages on etch.. i just want to make use of etch packages |
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| 13:50.01 | enouf | abrotman: you mean the .01 :- |
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| 13:50.06 | circuit | I'd like to run a linux from CF card |
| 13:50.20 | abrotman | uh .. yeah |
| 13:50.21 | circuit | but no idea how this UBIFS performs |
| 13:50.29 | JordiGH | circuit: That bastion of journalistic integrity, slashdot, says that UBIFS isn't for most flash disks; pretty much only for a few specific kinds of solid state drives in embedded devices. |
| 13:50.33 | abrotman | [gnubie]: but if you compile it .. that's not an etch package |
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| 13:50.42 | enouf | circuit: /msg dpkg tias |
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| 13:50.51 | circuit | oh |
| 13:51.03 | RichiH | ubifs addresses a problem that has not existed or quite some time, yet |
| 13:51.16 | RichiH | i.e. flash media take care of what to save where, themselves |
| 13:51.53 | [gnubie] | abrotman: sort of because there are lots of fixes already with the new version.. but i may tolerate to install what is in the unstable provided that it won't ask me to install other packages from the unstable repository because it will break the "etchness" of my system |
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| 13:52.29 | abrotman | [gnubie]: in the .01 difference between lenny and source ? |
| 13:52.44 | [gnubie] | abrotman: yes, at least only asterisk but the rest on my system are entirely etch |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | !tell [gnubie] about ssb |
| 13:53.00 | enouf | about time |
| 13:53.01 | abrotman | [gnubie]: that's a "better" way to do it |
| 13:53.08 | jelly | tell him about uupdate, too |
| 13:53.19 | abrotman | you do it .. lazy european! |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | and that only works if it has a watch file |
| 13:53.47 | [gnubie] | abrotman: ok, i will check |
| 13:53.49 | jelly | uupdate ../foo-1.72.tar.gz |
| 13:53.51 | JordiGH | This is funny, Linux Hater doesn't want to install Windows on the Eee PC. He actually wants to install Linux on it. |
| 13:53.54 | JordiGH | HIS TRUE COLOURS EMERGED |
| 13:54.01 | JordiGH | (and sorry for the offtopicness) |
| 13:54.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: there's an offtopic channel for people like you |
| 13:54.18 | jelly | #elsewhere |
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| 13:55.00 | JordiGH | The ninth circle of IRC hell? |
| 13:55.03 | [gnubie] | !tell [gnubie] about backports |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | !tell [gnubie] about selftell |
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| 13:56.03 | [gnubie] | abrotman: thanks.. ;) |
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| 13:59.59 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 14:00.06 | [Jasper] | how shoudl I install my sound carD? |
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| 14:00.27 | tralala | [Jasper], /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 14:05.41 | pupusernimmy | hi |
| 14:05.47 | nvz | hello |
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| 14:06.52 | pupusernimmy | i am a great fan of Debian and using it and encouraging students to use it |
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| 14:07.30 | abrotman | wonders if there is more |
| 14:07.34 | nvz | thats great, do you have a relevant question? |
| 14:08.39 | JordiGH | pupusernimmy: I bet you love the friendly Debian users too! |
| 14:08.41 | rm | is it really a requirement to have a relevant question? :) |
| 14:08.53 | rm | heh |
| 14:08.55 | nvz | wonders when this became #praise-debian on irc.zealots.net |
| 14:08.59 | pupusernimmy | due to my old age 55 and cataract eye prob, i am away from computer |
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| 14:09.33 | pupusernimmy | i have put a website www.futureislinux.com and wrote reviews and links also |
| 14:09.51 | nvz | pupusernimmy: what is two plus two? |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | nvz: stop ... go back to gov't work :) |
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| 14:10.31 | nvz | hah. |
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| 14:10.42 | pupusernimmy | ha ha |
| 14:10.46 | JordiGH | pupusernimmy: I like the design! |
| 14:11.00 | pupusernimmy | thanks its a compliment from my son |
| 14:11.02 | JordiGH | White on grey is an awesome colour. |
| 14:11.31 | JordiGH | pupusernimmy: PHP errors, tell your son to fix them. ;-) |
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| 14:12.10 | nvz | www.futureismefartinginabrotmans-direction.com |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 14:13.11 | pupusernimmy | sure, and the website is for the students who are new to Linux |
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| 14:16.05 | Eulex | is there some file transfer program that supports transferring via ftp from one remote location to another remote location? |
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| 14:17.05 | et | Eulex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlashFXP, but the servers have to support it |
| 14:17.17 | jelly | Eulex: with traffic passing through your machine or not? |
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| 14:17.38 | Eulex | jelly, no big deal if traffic passes through my machine |
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| 14:17.51 | bw\ | Eulex: try lftp since flashfxp is win32 |
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| 14:17.56 | jelly | Eulex: hmm, curlftpfs then ;-) |
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| 14:18.12 | SOG | Oh, the Debian installation CD is like 21 CDs ?? |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | !tell SOG about netinst |
| 14:18.33 | Eulex | SOG, if you get them all: yes. you very likely do not need all. |
| 14:18.38 | SOG | ya I know about net install lol |
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| 14:18.47 | abrotman | so use it |
| 14:18.50 | SOG | just wonder about the CD installation thing :P |
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| 14:19.00 | abrotman | you don't need all 21 CDs to start an installation |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 14:19.11 | SOG | 21 CD!! :O see my Jaw dropped onto the floor :D |
| 14:19.24 | jelly | SOG: if you need to install everything, then you need all the CDs. |
| 14:19.26 | SOG | thanks abrotman guess i will do that |
| 14:19.30 | Eulex | bw\, I'll try that |
| 14:19.33 | js_ | the first CD is enough otherwise |
| 14:19.37 | js_ | the internet has the rest |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | the netinst is enough |
| 14:20.04 | zeta | where are the default styles installed to for fluxbox? |
| 14:20.12 | SOG | thanks then :D will try that, hope it will boot on my old PCMCIA CD-ROM |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | zeta: you can search for them |
| 14:20.20 | zeta | how |
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| 14:20.32 | abrotman | find? locate? apt-file? dpkg -S? dpkg -L? |
| 14:20.32 | zeta | teach a man how to fish =D |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | !tell zeta about search |
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| 14:22.02 | montezuma | Hi, can U explain me something? I'm adding a rule like: ip rule add fwmark 0x1 table pop3-proxy and when I try to lookup a rule with: ip rule list, it doesn't show fwmark value and rule is looking like: 32765: from all lookup pop3-proxy How can I see the fwmark value? |
| 14:22.21 | sleon | hi |
| 14:22.24 | sleon | i am on debian etch now |
| 14:22.36 | sleon | is there postgresql-8.0 for etch? |
| 14:22.39 | sleon | or where to get it from ? |
| 14:22.59 | abrotman | sleon: etch has 8.1 |
| 14:23.17 | montezuma | sleon: and postgresql-7.4. |
| 14:23.44 | abrotman | sleon: apt-cache search postgresql server |
| 14:23.54 | sleon | i have data from postgresql-8.0 |
| 14:23.57 | sleon | ! |
| 14:23.58 | sleon | :) |
| 14:24.03 | sleon | so i am fucked now ? |
| 14:24.14 | bolt-work | !tell montezuma about u |
| 14:24.50 | sleon | i have some data in the databse , and i removed the packages of 8.0 |
| 14:24.53 | sleon | ... |
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| 14:25.15 | abrotman | sleon: that's a question for the pgsql channel .. you can certainly install 8.0 from source and then upgrade your DBs .. but ask the pgsql channel if they are binary compatible |
| 14:25.33 | Knorrie | or search ons snapshot.debian.net ;] |
| 14:25.40 | Knorrie | s/ons/on/ |
| 14:25.51 | sleon | Knorrie: i give it a try |
| 14:27.10 | Knorrie | sleon: 8.0.3-13 was uploaded on Sat, 20 Aug 2005 |
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| 14:28.14 | abrotman | i'd still just ask the pgsql people .. they might be totally compatible and he could just drop them in |
| 14:28.24 | sleon | Knorrie: nice! |
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| 14:29.57 | peter_ | Hi. I've just built a linux kernel with support for Elo serial touchscreen(TOUCHSCREEN_ELO). How can I start the kernel with this support, and specify which serial interface the kernel should look for the device on? Thanks. |
| 14:30.59 | sleon | Knorrie: that helpded! |
| 14:31.03 | sleon | Knorrie: thank you |
| 14:31.07 | Knorrie | np |
| 14:31.14 | sleon | Knorrie: do you have something like wishlist or so |
| 14:31.24 | sleon | Knorrie: ;) |
| 14:31.32 | Knorrie | yeah, beer |
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| 14:32.49 | Knorrie | ;] |
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| 14:33.32 | enouf | peter_: if you built and installed your kernel correctly, udev populates /dev/ on boot up, so the kernel should find it on it's own if it's attached, i presume |
| 14:33.36 | lera_zed | hello, is there any documented way on creating environment for cross-building debian packages ? i need build amd64 packages on i386 |
| 14:34.01 | Fiskah | What is the default location of the mysql databases? (the directory where the data files are stored)? |
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| 14:34.07 | peter_ | enouf: How can the driver deduce that? It can't |
| 14:34.17 | peter_ | enouf: It's a serial interface |
| 14:34.21 | enouf | peter_: what? |
| 14:34.25 | enouf | bullshit |
| 14:34.40 | peter_ | enouf: If it was usb, it would be different |
| 14:34.53 | enouf | what's the S for in USB? |
| 14:35.14 | peter_ | enouf: Alright, it's bullshit, fine |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | enouf: Safron ? |
| 14:35.41 | Darkentity | anyone tried to install nvidia drivers debian's way on a lenny build? it seems that i ran into a problem of nvidia_drv.so not being in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers; also i used version 173_14.09_i386 of both nvidia_kernel_source and nvidia-glx. anyone know why it's not there? |
| 14:35.44 | enouf | abrotman: cocoa ;-) |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | Fiskah: /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 14:35.53 | Fiskah | Thanks |
| 14:36.15 | peter_ | enouf: USB makes available certain metadata about the device |
| 14:36.19 | et | dpkg: nvidia lenny |
| 14:36.19 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick <testing/unstable mix>. |
| 14:36.43 | peter_ | enouf: Classic serial does not |
| 14:36.48 | jelly | peter_: if you build the driver as a module, modinfo will show its available arguments |
| 14:37.03 | peter_ | jelly: I didn't |
| 14:37.23 | peter_ | jelly: I guess I shiou |
| 14:37.24 | jelly | peter_: if you built it in, then kernel boot parameters it is |
| 14:37.38 | peter_ | jelly: yes, but what boot parameter? |
| 14:37.48 | abrotman | peter_: did you build it as a module? |
| 14:37.50 | enouf | so, either boot options or use setserial or some other inteface, like stty |
| 14:37.59 | jelly | peter_: um, use the source luke? |
| 14:39.13 | enouf | hit it with minicom, or try gtkterm even - but tldp.org has docs on serial args/usage |
| 14:39.19 | jelly | !tell abrotman -about lastlog |
| 14:39.40 | enouf | jelly: he just has a case of echo-itis |
| 14:39.56 | peter_ | jelly: OK, I'm looking at the source.....It's not helpful |
| 14:39.58 | jelly | at yes, it's the same minute |
| 14:40.23 | jelly | peter_: there might also be something useful under Documentation/ |
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| 14:41.06 | peter_ | jelly: Nope. |
| 14:41.06 | jelly | judd: come back! |
| 14:41.13 | abrotman | jelly: and what? |
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| 14:41.23 | abrotman | jelly: /lastlog jelly .. no help .. thanks |
| 14:41.26 | jelly | abrotman: <peter_> jelly: I didn't |
| 14:41.33 | dudeman | dude |
| 14:41.37 | jelly | man |
| 14:41.42 | dudeman | for real |
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| 14:43.09 | jelly | abrotman: I meant, lastlog peter_ would have answered the module question |
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| 14:44.03 | helo | anyone know how to enable logging in tomcat5.5 lenny? |
| 14:44.16 | enouf | man bootparams, but find your own elo info somewhere, like the manu, - heh modinfo elo shows zip :-p |
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| 14:44.34 | abrotman | http://jakarta.apache.org/ |
| 14:44.45 | abrotman | oh whoops .. they moved tomcat |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | http://tomcat.apache.org/ |
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| 14:47.59 | helo | the debian package doesn't log like the apache-distributed tomcat bins do |
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| 14:52.08 | trylobytero | lenny rules! |
| 14:52.22 | micky | any ideas how i might convert an apache mod_rewrite rule to lighttpd ? http://rafb.net/p/78mEup38.html my apache mod_rewrite rules and lighttpd attempts.. thanks |
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| 14:52.55 | stew | micky: i'd ask #lighttpd |
| 14:53.01 | micky | did :) |
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| 14:53.42 | micky | just thought i might try my luck in here since i'm using debian too and you guys are very helpful every time |
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| 14:58.46 | rm | micky, manually |
| 14:58.52 | rm | :> |
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| 14:59.13 | rm | by reading manuals, comparing configs, comparing manuals, and then converting |
| 14:59.56 | rm | i use Lighttpd myself, and lack of .htaccess is surely not its strong point... |
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| 15:03.29 | test_ | what can I use for downloading nzbs? |
| 15:04.23 | petemc | hellanzb |
| 15:06.26 | mlLK | anyone know why gedit wont launch when i run as sudo anymore? |
| 15:06.29 | SPF | nzbget |
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| 15:06.44 | mlLK | it just thinks its running in terminal but nautlius doesn't launch it |
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| 15:07.14 | mlLK | but other editors work ok too it's just gedit |
| 15:07.15 | test_ | thanks |
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| 15:11.47 | SOG | strange, the internet install CD isn't bootable? |
| 15:12.51 | jelly | it should be |
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| 15:13.47 | hatter243 | Apt seems to be hungup on a SOCKS server that glitched during install. Apt is convinced it's not fully installed. Any advice on how to tell it everything is fine, the program works |
| 15:13.48 | apt | that's too long, hatter243 |
| 15:14.02 | hatter243 | Quiet you |
| 15:14.53 | jelly | !errors |
| 15:14.53 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 15:15.06 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:15.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:15.09 | enouf | mlLK: check ps auxf output for open processes - also, fire up gksu, then open gedit |
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| 15:15.25 | mlLK | enouf, gksu does the same thing |
| 15:15.38 | enouf | and that is? |
| 15:15.59 | mlLK | nautilus doesn't launch |
| 15:16.01 | mlLK | it |
| 15:16.02 | hatter243 | "dpkg: error processing dante-server (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 15:16.37 | hatter243 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 15:17.24 | jelly | hatter243: nothing unusual before that line? |
| 15:17.28 | ezguy | i try to install centos4x64 on amd64 using vbox, but it said your cpu doesn't support long mode. any ideas? |
| 15:17.43 | themill | ezguy: ECHAN. |
| 15:17.47 | jelly | hatter243: pastebin the whole output of eg. "apt-get -f install" |
| 15:17.57 | hatter243 | jelly, okay |
| 15:18.06 | ezguy | ECHAN? |
| 15:18.23 | jelly | ezguy: #vbox will tell you you have to use a 64-bit host, and at least virtualbox 2.0 |
| 15:18.59 | themill | ezguy: I'd be trying #centos for centos questions. |
| 15:19.00 | ezguy | i run virtualbox on lenny |
| 15:19.00 | jelly | ezguy: you're asking for help about virtualbox and centos. Hardly seems topical on #debian |
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| 15:20.12 | hatter243 | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/18940/ |
| 15:20.50 | hatter243 | HAH |
| 15:20.52 | hatter243 | I got it, nevermind |
| 15:20.56 | spowers | can anyone suggest a good tool for keeping track of a couple dozen linux servers? I'd like to use ssh-agent and pubkey auth to handle the auth part, but I'm still stuck on some sort of way to show me a list of these servers. |
| 15:21.06 | jelly | hatter243: figure out why "invoke-rc.d danted start" fails, and run it again |
| 15:21.22 | hatter243 | jelly, It fails because the program is installed and running fine |
| 15:21.27 | hatter243 | So I shut it down and ran apt again |
| 15:21.41 | jelly | hatter243: still, it's a bug that deserves to be fixed |
| 15:21.42 | hatter243 | Apt was just hell bent on starting the process |
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| 15:22.05 | hatter243 | Now apt is happy again |
| 15:22.19 | ezguy | jelly: is vbox 2.0 available on for debian? |
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| 15:22.42 | jelly | ezguy: ask #vbox |
| 15:23.15 | jelly | ezguy: afaict debian still hasn't packaged the free version |
| 15:23.24 | themill | judd: info virtualbox-ose |
| 15:23.32 | jelly | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 15:23.33 | judd | jelly: virtualbox-ose: 1.6.2-dfsg-6~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.6.2-dfsg-6 (lenny) 1.6.6-dfsg-2 (sid) |
| 15:23.45 | themill | judd: you let me down!? |
| 15:23.46 | judd | themill: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 15:23.47 | jelly | !win me |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:23.52 | jelly | hell no. |
| 15:24.00 | jelly | !lose me |
| 15:24.01 | dpkg | jelly: You Lose. |
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| 15:24.32 | stew | judd: info virtualbox-ose --release sid |
| 15:24.32 | judd | stew: virtualbox-ose (misc): is extra; Version: 1.6.6-dfsg-2; Size: 6650.8k; Installed: 21120k -- x86 virtualization solution - binaries |
| 15:24.37 | stew | hmm, i need to fix that |
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| 15:24.41 | nettezzaumana | hi all |
| 15:24.45 | themill | stew: ahh.. defaults to etch |
| 15:25.37 | stew | yeah |
| 15:25.58 | nettezzaumana | what is the option please (if exists) which print within the `apt-cache search foo` results package versions instead of description .. thanks |
| 15:26.58 | nettezzaumana | and in the best case repository, from whereis package located |
| 15:27.23 | stew | nettezzaumana: apt-cache policy packagename? |
| 15:27.31 | ezguy | jelly: i got virtualbox-ose x86 binary installed and i it not amd64. could this be the problem? |
| 15:27.36 | nettezzaumana | stew: thanks // mmt .. |
| 15:27.47 | SOG | omg damn it, i downloaded wrong ISO file :o gonna re-download and rebutn |
| 15:27.52 | enouf | nettezzaumana: do you want maybe rmadison? |
| 15:28.17 | jelly | ezguy: that shouldn't be possible with debian packages unless you wnet out of your way to do it |
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| 15:28.33 | nettezzaumana | enouf: ?maybe ;) |
| 15:28.45 | ezguy | ok. |
| 15:29.26 | jelly | ezguy: but, like I said in the first line, you need 2.0. Read their changelog to see when 64bit guest support was introduced |
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| 15:30.17 | ezguy | ok |
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| 15:30.50 | smhar | greetings |
| 15:31.57 | smhar | I just got a Sony Ericsson G900 smartphone and I would like to connect it with my debian lenny, google know nothing about thins, any one here has any tips on this? |
| 15:32.36 | ezguy | jelly: may be i'll just go with xen instead. |
| 15:32.56 | jelly | shrugs |
| 15:32.56 | SOG | smhar there are somftware for debian to get date and phone book from Pocket PC, Symbian, and Palm |
| 15:33.31 | smhar | sog, sny suggestions? |
| 15:34.02 | smhar | sog, ok, I am installing wammu, seems ok.. |
| 15:34.17 | SOG | I don't remember, I am still downloading Debian :o but I searched the packages online, there are quite a few |
| 15:34.55 | smhar | SOG: what is the name of the usb port? it is not /dev/usb or dev/usb0 |
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| 15:37.02 | lxsameer | how can i enable the DMA on dvd writer driver |
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| 15:37.46 | rideick | hey guys... whats going on out there? |
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| 15:38.06 | smhar | rideick: will hdparm work? |
| 15:38.20 | jelly | rideick: solving debian support issues and trying to stay ontopic |
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| 15:39.17 | rideick | smhar: i think it will... |
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| 15:39.40 | rideick | I'd like to help you guys... |
| 15:40.36 | smhar | rideick: you can start with me :-) |
| 15:40.58 | rideick | smhar: so... tell me whats happening? |
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| 15:42.44 | smhar | rideick: trying to connect my new sonny ericsson G900 smart phone with lenny. this is the first time I try to connect a phone to debian. I installed wammu and I am trying to figure out the name of the usb port. it is not /dev/usb nor /dev/usb0 |
| 15:43.01 | paxcoder | Is there a way to easily put Debian live on a stick yet? |
| 15:43.05 | nettezzaumana | wow.. i had begun my *NIX career with debian, than moved to RHEL (but complaining that apt* is best package management) and now i use suse and think, that zypper has become as best mid/high level package utility .. |
| 15:43.23 | paxcoder | did someone manage to put Debian on a USB stick? |
| 15:43.26 | abrotman | !tell paxcoder about usb install |
| 15:43.42 | nettezzaumana | apt-cache policy is interesting, but little bit annoying |
| 15:43.50 | rideick | smhar: have you already typed lsub to see what got? |
| 15:43.50 | paxcoder | abrotman: will that going to be helpful? |
| 15:43.58 | paxcoder | *or is it just a generic answer? |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | try it and let us know |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | that's how other people have done it |
| 15:44.11 | paxcoder | oh wee. the privilege. |
| 15:44.13 | paxcoder | ok then |
| 15:44.15 | mlLK | yay finally got mysql, apache, and php all running local |
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| 15:44.47 | stew | paxcoder: doesn't debian live ship a usb image? |
| 15:45.10 | paxcoder | stew: huh? lemme see. that'd be mega cool |
| 15:45.15 | smhar | rideick: ok.. it is Bus 008 Device 003 |
| 15:45.30 | gigo | how can I remove my old 2.18 kernel. after I upgrade I have a new 2.26 kernel |
| 15:45.40 | gigo | but the old kernel files and menu is still there in booting |
| 15:45.50 | stew | paxcoder: yes, it does |
| 15:46.02 | paxcoder | stew: i still can't find it |
| 15:46.12 | paxcoder | i only see instructions for ISO |
| 15:46.21 | smhar | rideick: but /dev/usb3 is wrong |
| 15:46.24 | stew | paxcoder: are you looking for etch or lenny? and which arch? |
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| 15:46.46 | paxcoder | stew: well i386 I guess. lenny, fkors |
| 15:47.04 | stew | paxcoder: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 15:47.16 | paxcoder | stew: kthxman |
| 15:47.20 | mlLK | gigo, you just wanna get rid of the grub entry or kernel altother? |
| 15:49.38 | zeta | why are the debian boost libraries not compiled with fPIC? |
| 15:49.56 | abrotman | ask the maintainer |
| 15:50.00 | peter_ | zeta: What's fPIC? |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | it's a compile time option |
| 15:50.12 | stew | all libraries in debian should be compiled with fpic by policy |
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| 15:50.21 | peter_ | zeta: You mostly don't have to compile the boost libraries anyway |
| 15:50.35 | zeta | i know. i don't want to compile them. thats why i did apt-get |
| 15:50.41 | peter_ | zeta: They're mostly header based. |
| 15:50.45 | zeta | but the libraries from apt-get were not compiled with -fPIC |
| 15:50.48 | stew | zeta: exactly which one are you talking about? |
| 15:50.53 | zeta | libboost-regex.a |
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| 15:51.18 | peter_ | zeta: over 90% of boost is just headers,templates and inline functions. |
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| 15:51.21 | zeta | libboost-regex1.35.0 |
| 15:51.24 | zeta | to be precise |
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| 15:51.43 | zeta | all of the 64bit boost libraries need to be compiled with -fPIC |
| 15:51.52 | paxcoder | stew: standard means no gdm, right? if so, is it easy to apt-get something like blackbox (gdm's pretty big) |
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| 15:51.59 | ChrisW1 | hey all, I want to set up a user that can log in remotely and then run exactly one command. That command needs to run as another, more priveleged, user though... any ideas how to set that up? |
| 15:52.01 | peter_ | zeta: Are you sure you need to build them at all? |
| 15:52.15 | paxcoder | stew: *replace first "gdm" with "console-only" |
| 15:52.26 | stew | paxcoder: i have no idea |
| 15:52.38 | paxcoder | stew: gnome it is. |
| 15:53.10 | jaunny | is there a python like shell available in a few time? |
| 15:53.18 | zeta | peter_: i don't need to build those libraries. thats why i apt-get them. but the program i'm making needs to be linked against boost-regex, and in order for linking to work properly boost-regex must be compiled with the -fPIC option |
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| 15:53.29 | stew | zeta: if you are sure there are debian provided shared libraries without -fPIC, file a severity serious bug: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-libraries |
| 15:53.30 | themill | ChrisW1: public key auth over ssh and look at the command=/path/to/command option for the authorized_keys file. And that command can be something that calls sudo if you need to. |
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| 15:53.38 | jaunny | is there a simple filesystem that can compress and encrypt too? |
| 15:54.11 | keith4 | a "simple" filesystem... that can compress and encrypt? |
| 15:54.16 | ChrisW1 | themill: cool, sounds like exactly what I'm after, but the user won't be able to break out of that box and change the command they run? especially as the priveleged user, right? |
| 15:55.19 | paxcoder | wait. 600 mb is a lot of space. abrotman, do you know why gnome image is so big? or better yet, can I easily install a WM on "standard" Debian? |
| 15:55.32 | themill | ChrisW1: that depends on what this one command does. If it's something like vi, then there are shell escapes built in to the program. You'll probably want to look at setting their shell to nologin too. This is a common thing to do with svn: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/notes/ssh-tricks |
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| 15:55.56 | ChrisW1 | themill: cool, thanks! |
| 15:55.59 | themill | np |
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| 15:56.58 | paxcoder | themill, do you know? |
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| 15:57.39 | paxcoder | probably all those GUI programs take up much space... maybe it's better to install it one by one. |
| 15:58.08 | paxcoder | feels all alone |
| 15:58.45 | themill | paxcoder: you're making absolutely no sense at all. "I want a clicky flashing interface" and "I want it to fit in 1MB" don't really go together. But yes, you can aptitude install anything you like at a later time regardless of what you choose in tasksel. |
| 15:58.50 | jelly | !hug paxcoder |
| 15:58.50 | dpkg | gives paxcoder a hug |
| 15:59.05 | ChrisW1 | !slap paxcoder |
| 15:59.05 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across paxcoder's face |
| 15:59.09 | ChrisW1 | better |
| 15:59.13 | paxcoder | jelly: yeah. I've been hugged by a bot. Nice |
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| 15:59.59 | paxcoder | themill: no, I want a CLI on my usb disk. So I can show people why GNU/Linux is REALLY cool XD |
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| 16:00.38 | themill | paxcoder: then I'm truly not understanding wtf you are doing. /msg dpkg debian live (and ask them) |
| 16:00.48 | paxcoder | themill: so, if I choose at the later date to install gdm, all those configuration thingies will follow? |
| 16:00.48 | stew | zeta: it looks to me like it was compiled with -fPIC: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=boost;ver=1.34.1-11;arch=amd64;stamp=1207353151 |
| 16:01.23 | paxcoder | themill: yes, I want a GUI darnit |
| 16:01.46 | paxcoder | if you REALLY wanted to hear those words coming out of my mouth |
| 16:01.52 | paxcoder | ;-) |
| 16:02.02 | paxcoder | !debian live |
| 16:02.02 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ , or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
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| 16:02.42 | stew | zeta: oh, that is boost, not boost1.35; here is boost1.35, which also has -fPIC: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=boost1.35;ver=1.35.0-5;arch=amd64;stamp=1211622772 |
| 16:02.57 | gigo | paxcoder: please /msg dpkg debian live |
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| 16:03.15 | paxcoder | gigo: I did. And I was there before. |
| 16:03.20 | paxcoder | wah, nevermind. |
| 16:03.34 | dudeman | what\ |
| 16:03.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: gnome is uh .. kind of big ? |
| 16:03.54 | dudeman | thats cool |
| 16:04.16 | dudeman | would this be the same way to like, take your current system and make it into a live cd? |
| 16:04.28 | dudeman | so you have a copy of your os/config everytihng working from cd |
| 16:04.28 | dudeman | ? |
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| 16:04.35 | paxcoder | abrotman: isn't 600 mb, is it? why do they put it all on a USB image? |
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| 16:04.47 | paxcoder | *all as in progs for the thing |
| 16:04.54 | paxcoder | as I said: wah, nevermind. |
| 16:04.56 | abrotman | you're asking for a liveCD ... do you want to boot and then download/install everything ? |
| 16:05.06 | dudeman | no |
| 16:05.08 | dudeman | what? |
| 16:05.27 | paxcoder | abrotman: I don't really care. So.. maby |
| 16:05.30 | dudeman | all I'm asking is, is it possible to take your current isntalled debian desktop system, and make it into a live cd? |
| 16:05.36 | dudeman | wait |
| 16:05.40 | dudeman | who are you talking to? |
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| 16:05.56 | keith4 | did everyone get drunk this morning, or something? |
| 16:05.58 | dudeman | scratches head |
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| 16:06.09 | keith4 | why is nobody making any sense? |
| 16:06.10 | zeta | stew: it seemed like all the .a (statically linked) libraries were compiled without -fPIC and all the .so (shared libs) were compiled with -fPIC |
| 16:06.11 | paxcoder | dudeman: i think maybe abrotman was talking to you after all |
| 16:06.14 | zeta | is this a standard procedure? |
| 16:06.15 | dudeman | oh |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | i was not |
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| 16:06.49 | dudeman | abrotman, perhaps you shoudl prepend the nickname |
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| 16:07.00 | paxcoder | abrotman: Ok, let's do it this way: i want "linux" on my USB. What should I do? |
| 16:07.04 | paxcoder | XD |
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| 16:07.21 | dudeman | paxcoder, you want to install using that usb or you want to have a live linux system on that usb? |
| 16:07.26 | stew | zeta: oh, that might be |
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| 16:07.39 | paxcoder | dudeman: live, fkors |
| 16:07.42 | abrotman | dudeman: i did .. learn to read |
| 16:07.46 | dudeman | paxcoder, i know how to do with knoppix |
| 16:07.49 | dudeman | debian doesn't support it |
| 16:08.01 | dudeman | afaik, but make-live should do something |
| 16:08.06 | paxcoder | dudeman: your info is outdated :-) Yeah, I could use DSL, but I want debian |
| 16:08.20 | paxcoder | let me just stop talking, everybody agree? |
| 16:08.24 | dudeman | abrotman, what do you mean learn to read? try not to be sarcastic, it only shows your immaturity. Keep constructive please. |
| 16:08.24 | keith4 | i've installed etch on a 256M flash card |
| 16:08.25 | stew | zeta: is -fPIC really necessary for static linking? |
| 16:08.27 | dudeman | thanks |
| 16:08.33 | keith4 | surely you can install it on a 1 gig USB stick |
| 16:08.49 | trin | hi, in which package are standardsystemtools like cat, chmod, chown, cp, date, dmesg, ls, more, ps, pwd, touch...? |
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| 16:09.09 | mlLK | god gnome windows are a pain |
| 16:09.26 | mlLK | i wish i had absolute positioning |
| 16:09.30 | spal | trin: coreutils |
| 16:09.37 | zeta | stew: forsome of our libs yes |
| 16:09.56 | abrotman | dudeman: pot/kettle |
| 16:10.00 | zeta | in fact it seems all 64bit machines require libs to be compiled with -fPIC |
| 16:10.30 | spal | trin: util-linux: /bin/dmesg - Use the command dpkg -S |
| 16:10.35 | trin | spal: thx a lot |
| 16:10.40 | mlLK | any neat solutions for multitasking applications in debian? |
| 16:10.50 | dudeman | thats what I thought. |
| 16:11.07 | dudeman | mlLK, what do you mean multitasking? |
| 16:11.13 | dudeman | kinda vague |
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| 16:11.18 | clamiax | ih |
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| 16:11.22 | clamiax | or better: hi |
| 16:11.24 | clamiax | :-) |
| 16:11.45 | mlLK | i mean how the desktop , viewport , handles applications window dimensions |
| 16:11.59 | dudeman | for what purpose? |
| 16:12.39 | dudeman | mlLK, you mean to say 'save window positions' by absolute? |
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| 16:13.09 | dudeman | mlLK, I think gnome session manager should be able to save the window positions as well when you save your session (if that is what you're asking, I know KDE does) |
| 16:13.09 | mlLK | so i can read/write and do what i need to do like i do when i read text |
| 16:13.23 | dudeman | I don't get it. |
| 16:13.32 | mlLK | i mean i'd figure there be something besides windows now |
| 16:13.33 | dudeman | (your query I mean) |
| 16:13.52 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea of why trying to send data to a FIFO it waits forever? |
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| 16:13.56 | mlLK | something more like blocks or inline varitions |
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| 16:14.11 | mlLK | how css handles html is a good example |
| 16:14.16 | clamiax | FIFO="/tmp/myfifo.$$" ; mkfifo -m 600 "$FIFO" && :> "$FIFO" # This waits forever.. |
| 16:14.19 | rawkk | could someone please tell me how to autostart a daemon with debian? |
| 16:14.46 | rawkk | there are a bunch of things in /etc/rc0.d up to rc5.d |
| 16:14.54 | clamiax | rawkk: it's the much bad things you could ask, SysV Init is a PITA |
| 16:14.55 | rawkk | dbus is not starting up for some reason |
| 16:14.59 | dudeman | those are run levels |
| 16:14.59 | mlLK | i mean window borders and taskbars are bloat |
| 16:15.04 | rawkk | PITA? |
| 16:15.05 | dudeman | mlLK, you want twm? |
| 16:15.09 | rawkk | pain in the ass? |
| 16:15.10 | dudeman | mlLK, ratpoison? |
| 16:15.13 | clamiax | rawkk: exactly |
| 16:15.17 | rawkk | ah :) |
| 16:15.20 | dudeman | mlLK, I think you want screen. |
| 16:15.24 | mlLK | yes |
| 16:15.25 | [gnubie] | abrotman: i got this error from building the source package from the testing repository => http://paste.debian.net/18946/ |
| 16:15.29 | rawkk | well i see the point with them, they help scripting i guess |
| 16:15.36 | rawkk | when packaging stuff |
| 16:15.38 | mlLK | i don't like using my mouse in gnome |
| 16:15.38 | clamiax | rawkk: it is about 10 years i'm trying to understand how it really works and why |
| 16:15.42 | rawkk | but this thing makes no sense |
| 16:15.48 | rawkk | hah |
| 16:16.16 | rawkk | i dont know how to add dbus to the daemons |
| 16:16.52 | rawkk | i used archlinux, it was a simple matter of editing a variable line containting the daemons for startup listed in bootup order. |
| 16:17.12 | clamiax | rawkk: you should rename your init script depending on the runlevel and link it to /etc/init.d |
| 16:17.19 | clamiax | rawkk: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys#s-sysvinit |
| 16:17.37 | clamiax | rawkk: it's easiest to run the relevant command from /etc/rc.local, i guess. |
| 16:17.41 | stew | rawkk: if you install dbus, it would be started automatically |
| 16:17.56 | rawkk | hehe you know its bad when you need a whole chapter to explain it |
| 16:18.00 | rawkk | stew: its not being though |
| 16:18.05 | stew | rawkk: how do you know? |
| 16:18.05 | clamiax | rawkk: indeed |
| 16:18.16 | rawkk | well applications are telling me its not running |
| 16:18.25 | rawkk | and there is no lockfile in /var/run/whatever |
| 16:18.28 | stew | rawkk: what happens when you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 16:18.32 | rawkk | then it works |
| 16:18.38 | rawkk | restarts up a few things |
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| 16:18.50 | rawkk | even /etc/init.d/dbus start does the trick |
| 16:19.00 | stew | rawkk: what does '/sbin/runlevel' return? |
| 16:19.17 | rawkk | N 2 |
| 16:19.32 | stew | rawkk: what does "ls /etc/rc2.d/*dbus*" return ? |
| 16:19.49 | rawkk | ls: cannot access /etc/rc2.d/*dbus*: No such file or directory |
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| 16:20.14 | rawkk | i tried reinstalling the dbus packages too, that did nothing. |
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| 16:20.27 | stew | rawkk: what version of debian is this? |
| 16:20.49 | rawkk | sid |
| 16:21.14 | rawkk | my broken toy |
| 16:21.39 | stew | hmm, /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst should have called "update-rc.d dbus start 12 2 3 4 5 . stop 88 1 . >/dev/null" |
| 16:23.09 | stew | rawkk: can you try "dpkg-reconfigure dbus" and see if it changes the output of "ls /etc/rc2.d/*dbus*" |
| 16:23.29 | mlLK | anyone using vbox w/ debian? |
| 16:23.36 | mlLK | just curious. |
| 16:23.37 | dudeman | mlLK, ask your real question |
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| 16:23.44 | dudeman | of course man |
| 16:23.57 | dudeman | obviously there are people who use debian and virtual box on debian |
| 16:24.01 | dudeman | ask your REAL question |
| 16:24.09 | skule | This works for iceweasel, but not for wget, ssh -D 8080 remote_server, export http_proxy="http://127.0.0.1:8080/" any advice ? |
| 16:24.16 | mlLK | is this my real question? |
| 16:24.25 | dudeman | !anyone |
| 16:24.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 16:24.42 | dudeman | mlLK, you can /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 16:24.56 | zeta | stew: i just confirmed with the boost guys that on x64 all the static libs must also be compiled with -fPIC |
| 16:25.12 | stew | zeta: file a bug (but no longer severity serious) |
| 16:25.41 | rawkk | stew: i just get |
| 16:25.45 | rawkk | Warning: The home dir /var/run/dbus you specified can't be accessed: No such file or directory |
| 16:25.47 | jelly | skule: -D creates a socks proxy. wget doesn't handle those natively, use a socks-wrapper tu run it |
| 16:25.49 | rawkk | The system user `messagebus' already exists. Exiting. |
| 16:25.51 | rawkk | chown: cannot access `/var/run/dbus': No such file or directory |
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| 16:26.14 | mlLK | dudeman, if you were running a vbox server with like say lamp could i run as a client on my machine? |
| 16:26.30 | dudeman | I run a lamp server on my server at work |
| 16:26.43 | mlLK | i just installed it on my laptop |
| 16:26.44 | dudeman | I also run an IIS server on debian using vbox |
| 16:26.48 | mlLK | first local install ever |
| 16:26.50 | dudeman | for my asp stuff |
| 16:26.54 | rawkk | i installed a lamp on my desk |
| 16:26.56 | mlLK | asp ack |
| 16:26.56 | dudeman | it works fine enough |
| 16:26.59 | rawkk | *giggles* |
| 16:27.11 | dudeman | mlLK, whatever clients want and depends on how much they pay |
| 16:27.13 | mlLK | oh you |
| 16:27.18 | dudeman | but thats neither here nor there |
| 16:27.26 | rawkk | or anywhere |
| 16:27.49 | stew | rawkk: what does "getent passwd messagebus" return? |
| 16:27.55 | mlLK | vbox seems like a good contender for killing windows |
| 16:28.04 | dudeman | it ur |
| 16:28.05 | mlLK | i run photoshop flawlessly |
| 16:28.06 | dudeman | sure is* |
| 16:28.12 | mlLK | on linux |
| 16:28.22 | rawkk | stew: messagebus:x:101:103::/var/run/dbus:/bin/false |
| 16:28.31 | cahoot | running PS as a way of killing windows? |
| 16:28.40 | dudeman | if you can spare 512-1024mb of ram + 1 cpu for your virtual machine, you're solid |
| 16:28.41 | stew | rawkk: did you delete /var/run/dbus? |
| 16:28.45 | dudeman | thats all you really need |
| 16:28.51 | mlLK | i had to take my all my adobes w/ me |
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| 16:28.59 | rawkk | stew: what is that? a file? |
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| 16:29.04 | rawkk | no i dont think i have |
| 16:29.05 | skule | jelly, ok thanks for the answer |
| 16:29.14 | dudeman | about half a gig of ram plus a cpu usually works well running a server |
| 16:29.16 | jelly | skule: there's one available in dante-client package, "socksify", but you have to configure /etc/dante.conf a bit |
| 16:29.19 | stew | rawkk: the homedirectory for the messagebus user. does it exist now? |
| 16:29.37 | rawkk | no it does not :O |
| 16:29.59 | rawkk | ok i will remove that entry and that will recreate it when i reinstall dbus right? |
| 16:30.15 | stew | rawkk: yeah, then someone deleted it. you should create that directory, then reconfigure dbus |
| 16:30.20 | rawkk | ok |
| 16:30.44 | rawkk | thanks :) |
| 16:30.55 | dudeman | cute |
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| 16:39.16 | d0uglas | my mysql is all F'ed up. fortunately i backed up what i needed. when i try to purge it out, i get this - error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' - any way around this? |
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| 16:40.22 | d0uglas | i get that after dpkg fails to stop mysqld, error exit status 1 and /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 16:40.49 | mlLK | sudo mysqladmin -u root -p |
| 16:40.57 | stew | d0uglas: update /etc/mysql/debian.cnf to have the correct password for debian-sys-maint |
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| 16:42.05 | mlLK | i feel i'll giggly w/ a apache and a db |
| 16:42.06 | d0uglas | so i pico in a password there and set the debian-sys-maint password with passwd debian-sys-maint? |
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| 16:43.30 | d0uglas | hmm i just killed a mysqld process and it removed |
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| 16:44.32 | mlLK | d0uglas, you do mysqladmin -u root password |
| 16:44.33 | mlLK | ? |
| 16:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ___sudo___ mysqladmin?! what on earth that for |
| 16:45.13 | mlLK | do mysqladmin -u root password newpassword |
| 16:45.25 | d0uglas | well i typed the command but didn't add the password and got a list of what you can do with the command... so i moved on |
| 16:45.43 | stew | d0uglas: you would put whatever password the debian-sys-maint needs to connect to mysql into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 16:45.44 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, i unno moar powar |
| 16:45.59 | stew | d0uglas: did you delete the debian-sys-maint user? |
| 16:46.00 | d0uglas | but the last time i did it properly it gave me the same error, rejecting logins from either localhost or root or both |
| 16:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | i see |
| 16:46.17 | d0uglas | stew no |
| 16:46.35 | d0uglas | but it's not in my passwd file |
| 16:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, you mean its fundamentally better, if root does it, even if it does the same thing? |
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| 16:46.53 | stew | d0uglas: it wouldn't be, debian-sys-maint isn't a system user, it is a mysql user. |
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| 16:47.18 | mlLK | dood i just installed lamp last night i'm sorta feeling like a big baller right now |
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| 16:47.36 | d0uglas | well i'll see what happens now if i reinstall it |
| 16:47.54 | jos_ | hello im runing debian but is there no streamturner |
| 16:47.59 | stew | d0uglas: nothing should change if you reinstall it |
| 16:47.59 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, and my account doesn't allow running mysqladmin as a user |
| 16:48.18 | d0uglas | but i used purge and deleted the /etc/mysql dir |
| 16:48.33 | jos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.33 | jos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.06 | d0uglas | ... which was dumb, now it won't install |
| 16:49.12 | d0uglas | figured it would recreate that stuff |
| 16:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jos_, /msg dpkg search |
| 16:49.20 | stew | d0uglas: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:49.29 | stew | judd: versions tre-agrep |
| 16:49.30 | judd | stew: tre-agrep: 0.7.3-1 (etch) 0.7.5-1 (lenny) 0.7.5-1 (sid) |
| 16:49.37 | stew | judd: versions kstreamripper |
| 16:49.39 | judd | stew: kstreamripper: 0.3.4.debian1-1 (etch) 0.3.4.debian1-2 (lenny) 0.3.4.debian1-2 (sid) |
| 16:49.47 | d0uglas | nice stew will do that now |
| 16:49.48 | stew | jos_: those are all in debian |
| 16:50.05 | jos_ | oke thanks |
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| 16:50.16 | stew | d0uglas: note that some of the config files might be other mysql pacakges, like mysql-common |
| 16:50.25 | Deiz | Anyone know their way around Links? I'm wondering where it stores its cookies. |
| 16:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deiz, most probably in .links , right? |
| 16:52.14 | Deiz | All I see in their is a history and a bookmark file. |
| 16:52.32 | Deiz | *there |
| 16:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deiz, perhaps it doesn't store them |
| 16:53.35 | Deiz | Actually, it appears you're right. :/ |
| 16:53.43 | Deiz | Neither does Lynx, between sessions. |
| 16:53.50 | Deiz | Do you know of any text-mode browsers that do? |
| 16:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deiz, you could run strace -f -F -e open links <URL> to see which files are opened |
| 16:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 16:54.59 | stew | Deiz: w3m stores them in ~/.w3m/cookie |
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| 16:55.39 | d0uglas | I reinstalled mysql-server and -admin with fresh conf files but am still having the same connection problems: The full MySQL error message was : connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 16:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like the wrong password |
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| 16:56.05 | stew | d0uglas: what command gave you that error? |
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| 16:56.40 | d0uglas | that was a little webmin action but i'd get the similar thing with mysql-admin |
| 16:56.42 | d0uglas | which i'll try now |
| 16:57.04 | Deiz | stew: Giving w3m a shot, thanks. |
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| 16:58.38 | d0uglas | stew: when i do mysqladmin -u root -p and hit my password i get mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 16:58.45 | d0uglas | and error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 16:59.02 | stew | d0uglas: then you are using the wrong password, or none has been set yet |
| 16:59.23 | themill | !I forgot mysql root password |
| 16:59.23 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 16:59.33 | d0uglas | ah |
| 17:00.21 | themill | dpkg forgot mysql root password is also <mysql initial password> |
| 17:00.21 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 17:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if there is a line about "I forgot my root password and the boot-password I set" |
| 17:00.51 | abrotman | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about ifrp |
| 17:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I know about that one :) |
| 17:01.10 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: and your bootpasswd isn't a debian/OS problem |
| 17:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant the grub-boot password |
| 17:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I wouldn't forget my root password, I hope |
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| 17:03.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:04.11 | d0uglas | when i try that command string it gives me a bash syntax error near unexpected token '(' aand when I chop it up, when i do mysqld -u root, I get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)... argh i'll go to the link |
| 17:04.50 | stew | d0uglas: how did you start mysql? |
| 17:05.11 | d0uglas | it used to start on its own, i had roundcube working well with it, then one day it breaks out of the blue |
| 17:05.19 | d0uglas | with init.d i believe, whatever's the default |
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| 17:05.44 | stew | d0uglas: oh, i thought you were trying to do the mysql root password recovery that dpkg gave us |
| 17:06.13 | d0uglas | I did try that now and it gave me a bash error |
| 17:06.19 | d0uglas | pasted it in pretty carefully |
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| 17:06.35 | d0uglas | then i did it one semicolon chunk at a time, and when i got to mysql -u root, it gave me that message |
| 17:06.50 | stew | the "use mysql" and "update user" and "flush privileges" where commands meant for you to type into the mysql shell |
| 17:07.01 | d0uglas | oh. |
| 17:07.09 | d0uglas | well i can't get into that shell |
| 17:07.23 | stew | d0uglas: type "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" |
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| 17:07.42 | d0uglas | mysqld failed! |
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| 17:07.56 | stew | d0uglas: does 'pgrep mysql' return any pids? |
| 17:08.01 | Kristian9K | hi all - just a quick noob question |
| 17:08.19 | Kristian9K | I've managed to screw up the permissions for a file |
| 17:08.41 | dooglus | I have somehow managed to lose my sound card - sound no longer plays in mplayer, and the volume control applet only shows the 'mic' slider. how can I get it back? |
| 17:09.10 | Raekism | !firefox |
| 17:09.10 | dpkg | from memory, firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>. |
| 17:09.15 | stew | d0uglas: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list more than one card? |
| 17:09.16 | d0uglas | two mysql processes, /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe and /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/lib/mysql/probulk.com.pid --skip-external-locking |
| 17:09.17 | Kristian9K | sorry, a couple of directories |
| 17:09.21 | Raekism | !why iceweasel |
| 17:09.21 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 17:09.25 | stew | dooglus: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list more than one card? |
| 17:09.45 | stew | d0uglas: did you run "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" as root? |
| 17:09.46 | Kristian9K | I just need them to be accessible and read/write for all users |
| 17:09.50 | dooglus | stew: $ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:09.50 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.50 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.01 | d0uglas | it lists two lines, but they both relate to HDA-Intel.. the second line is indented |
| 17:10.04 | abrotman | Raekism: msg the bot please |
| 17:10.12 | d0uglas | i don't need sound, shall i zap them both? |
| 17:10.24 | d0uglas | yes i'm root |
| 17:10.26 | dooglus | stew: that's my usb webcam. I don't use it as a mic. I have a built in SiS sound card that I want to use |
| 17:10.30 | stew | d0uglas: sorry, i meant /proc/asound/cards for dooglus, not you |
| 17:10.32 | Raekism | sorry |
| 17:10.35 | d0uglas | oh |
| 17:10.51 | d0uglas | yeah that would have been intriguing, a mysql problem relating to sound configuration |
| 17:10.53 | dooglus | stew: I can try stopping mysql, but I don't see how that can help |
| 17:10.56 | d0uglas | but you never know with linux |
| 17:10.58 | stew | dooglus: it seems that the driver for sis isn't loaded yet. you might try running alsaconf |
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| 17:11.13 | stew | dooglus: forget mysql, i'm getting confused by there being dooglus and d0uglas |
| 17:11.17 | dooglus | that would have been intriguing, a mysql solution relating to a sound configuration problem |
| 17:11.21 | trin | hi, where can i apt-get ps? |
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| 17:11.33 | themill | dpkg: tell trin about search |
| 17:11.43 | dooglus | stew: I ran alsaconf already. it found the SiS device, but left my in this state |
| 17:11.43 | adama_ | trin: try your keyboard? |
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| 17:12.35 | dooglus | stew: alsaconf builds a sound database, searches sound cards, then lists: |
| 17:12.48 | stew | dooglus: if the right driver were loaded, it should show up in /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:12.57 | stew | dooglus: please use a pastebin instead of pasting into the channel |
| 17:13.08 | dooglus | "intel 8x0 : sis ac'97" and "legacy - probe non-isa cards" |
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| 17:13.20 | dooglus | !paste |
| 17:13.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:13.20 | d0uglas | any way i can completely zap out mysql in order to reinstall it as if it were the first time it touched my system? |
| 17:13.27 | dooglus | 3 lines is ok apparently? |
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| 17:14.51 | dooglus | stew: either way, alsaconf finds the ac97 card, but it doesn't show up in that /proc file afterwards |
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| 17:15.06 | stew | dooglus: can you show us the output of "lsmod | grep snd"? |
| 17:15.27 | stew | d0uglas: purge all mysql related packages and remove /var/lib/mysql ; note that you lose all data the might be in the mysql database |
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| 17:16.18 | dooglus | stew: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/snd.txt |
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| 17:17.24 | d0uglas | how can i purge mysql* ? |
| 17:17.29 | stew | dooglus: i'd try unloading snd_intel8x0 and reloading it and see if something diagnostic shows up in dmesg |
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| 17:19.08 | stew | d0uglas: aptitude purge package1 pacakge2 pacakge3... or perhaps something like "aptitude purge '~n^mysql'" |
| 17:19.22 | stew | d0uglas: but i'd recommend just resetting your mysql root password and the debian-sys-maint password |
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| 17:19.33 | dooglus | stew: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/snd2.txt |
| 17:19.51 | dooglus | stew: maybe I should try rebooting first, eh? |
| 17:19.57 | stew | !reboot |
| 17:19.57 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 17:20.23 | dooglus | maybe rebooting is the easiest way to get the sound card back into a reasonable state |
| 17:21.47 | stew | dooglus: i don't know. i'd google for that "cannot find the slot for index 0" error |
| 17:23.24 | themill | #alsa might be handy at this stage too |
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| 17:28.58 | blackhold | hello |
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| 17:29.24 | blackhold | I've got a very new computer, and debian testing installation don't detects my network card |
| 17:29.32 | blackhold | could someone give me some help |
| 17:29.36 | blackhold | ? |
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| 17:30.02 | themill | what sort of card is it? the output of lspci -nn would be handy |
| 17:30.05 | liable | did you use the beta2 installer or a daily? |
| 17:30.11 | blackhold | themill I'm on windows |
| 17:30.23 | blackhold | could not install debian yet! |
| 17:30.28 | wols | blackhold: still, what card |
| 17:30.32 | blackhold | it has arrived just today :D |
| 17:30.35 | ChrisW1 | hi all, I'm trying to set up a user that can only sudo and run one command, but without a password. I tried this it /etc/sudoers: myuser ALL=/path/to/command NOPASSWD: ALL but got a syntax error when I tried to sudo as that user. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:30.38 | blackhold | wait gonna see |
| 17:30.41 | wols | blackhold: you don't need a driver for lspci to work |
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| 17:31.38 | blackhold | wols |
| 17:31.46 | grant_skywalker | anyone using etchnhalf here?? |
| 17:31.50 | blackhold | could not turn on a linux on my new computer! |
| 17:31.51 | jelly | !anyone |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 17:32.09 | blackhold | the card is an intel 82567LM |
| 17:32.24 | blackhold | liable, I did |
| 17:32.38 | wols | blackhold: a missing network driver dosn't cause linux not to work. now stop whinging and spouting nonsense and finally answer |
| 17:33.04 | blackhold | wols, I told, I'm on windows |
| 17:33.13 | themill | blackhold: liable wanted to know *which* installer you used. |
| 17:33.18 | blackhold | and worst... windows vista x( |
| 17:33.19 | jelly | wols: a buggy network driver can cause a card to die, though ;-) |
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| 17:33.40 | blackhold | I used netinstall devel iso, debian lenny beta 2 |
| 17:33.41 | wols | jelly: yes but he wouldn't talk to us then. even when he only talks bullshit |
| 17:33.47 | blackhold | downloaded last month |
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| 17:34.54 | mot | meh |
| 17:35.08 | blackhold | jelly: just that I had to change in bios is compatibility of ACPI, and set it to compatible UHCI mode, or something like this, I don't really know what really is that, but sometimes solved a booting of a linux configuring that, this was first step to install debian ;) |
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| 17:35.15 | liable | blackhold: that has the 24 kernel, find out if your card is supported in the 26 kernel which the daily images have |
| 17:35.31 | dudeman | blackhold, same thing in windows |
| 17:35.35 | blackhold | liable, thnks... gonna try with the today card |
| 17:35.37 | blackhold | upz |
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| 17:35.45 | dudeman | blackhold, bios configuration on ahci/raid can cause it to not boot windows either |
| 17:35.45 | blackhold | today snapshot |
| 17:35.48 | dudeman | its not a linux specific thing |
| 17:35.55 | blackhold | dudeman, windows booted... |
| 17:36.03 | dudeman | yes... but sometimes it doesn' because of that |
| 17:36.05 | jelly | blackhold: you probably mean "AHCI". That is a SATA controller issue, not a network card one. |
| 17:36.06 | blackhold | but thanks for the advice |
| 17:36.32 | blackhold | jelly, this problem was first I found, and now is solved |
| 17:36.45 | jelly | blackhold: which debian image are you installing from? |
| 17:36.57 | blackhold | well, gonna download last snapshot and gonna try again |
| 17:37.05 | jelly | grant_skywalker: ask your real question |
| 17:37.42 | dudeman | !tell grant_skywalker -about ask |
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| 17:37.57 | blackhold | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:38.03 | dooglus | stew: I don't see anything from google for that error message that helps me |
| 17:38.07 | blackhold | I'm gonna download last one from this dir |
| 17:38.17 | blackhold | well, thanks guys :D |
| 17:38.34 | blackhold | a last question |
| 17:38.38 | stew | dooglus: themill's suggestion of asking in #alsa about it is a good one |
| 17:38.50 | blackhold | now I've got a vista on this laptop and wanna save it some days to test vista |
| 17:39.04 | blackhold | how supports now grub this thing now? |
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| 17:40.14 | blackhold | I must check some configuration before to reboot? |
| 17:40.18 | grant_skywalker | Sorry - my question is - using etchnhalf kernel, but it lost the module "nozomi.ko" and when i want to compile it using module-assistant, only found that the repo doesn't have linux-headers of ethcnhalf. |
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| 17:40.47 | jelly | grant_skywalker: huh, there bloody well should be an linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:40.55 | stew | grant_skywalker: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:41.23 | grant_skywalker | -laptop 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Sep 8 06:19:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:41.28 | themill | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 17:41.28 | judd | themill: linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686: 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.4 (etch) 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.5 (etch-security) |
| 17:41.34 | dooglus | stew: ok, i'd forgotten that. thanks. |
| 17:42.00 | stew | grant_skywalker: see judd above, it appears to be available |
| 17:42.07 | jelly | grant_skywalker: do you get an error when doing an aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 17:42.52 | grant_skywalker | the problem is - my original source.list is 'lenny', and lenny doesn't have the linux-headers of etchnhalf - if i change it to etch (in my source.list), i can get the linuxheader of etchnhalf |
| 17:43.20 | themill | grant_skywalker: why are you mixing etchnhalf and lenny? |
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| 17:44.02 | stew | grant_skywalker: if you are running lenny, why not upgrade to the current lenny kernel, which is 2.6.26-1 |
| 17:44.04 | grant_skywalker | Package linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:44.05 | grant_skywalker | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:44.05 | grant_skywalker | is only available from another source |
| 17:44.05 | grant_skywalker | E: Package linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 has no installation candidate |
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| 17:44.14 | blackhold | what's that of etchnhalf? |
| 17:44.18 | themill | *sigh* |
| 17:44.22 | blackhold | one I'm gonna install is that? |
| 17:44.24 | themill | dpkg: tell blackhold about etchnhalf |
| 17:44.51 | blackhold | ok, thnks |
| 17:45.54 | blackhold | does etchnhalf grub detect windows vista partition, and allow it to start it again? |
| 17:46.12 | blackhold | I think is the next step I'm gonna stay stopped :( |
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| 17:46.46 | simonrvn | !tell grant_skywalker -about paste |
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| 17:47.29 | simonrvn | fuck, and why do people keep saying source.list, it's source*S*.list FFS |
| 17:47.50 | simonrvn | "hey, my source.list empty, WTF?!" |
| 17:47.56 | simonrvn | duh, wrong file |
| 17:48.00 | themill | ravenbird: comfort simonrvn |
| 17:48.01 | ravenbird | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:48.03 | jelly | sources is complicated |
| 17:48.24 | simonrvn | too difficult to type an extra s |
| 17:48.29 | themill | ravenbird: be a sources.list barbie |
| 17:48.30 | ravenbird | AAAAW! a sources.list is too HARD! let's go shopping! |
| 17:48.42 | jelly | simonrvn: that's because you keep everything in sources.list.d/, git |
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| 17:48.51 | jelly | [empty] |
| 17:48.58 | simonrvn | i don't use git much, no |
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| 17:49.20 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 17:49.33 | grant_skywalker | Guys - i missed those replied about etchnhaf case.. can someone paste it again? |
| 17:49.33 | frafra | hi all |
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| 17:49.48 | simonrvn | no |
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| 17:49.53 | funzl | hi all. i'm having problems with nameresolving... which service/program is responsible for this? |
| 17:50.06 | themill | grant_skywalker: [18:43] <themill> grant_skywalker: why are you mixing etchnhalf and lenny? |
| 17:50.13 | jelly | grant_skywalker: <stew> grant_skywalker: if you are running lenny, why not upgrade to the current lenny kernel, which is 2.6.26-1 |
| 17:50.13 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:50.21 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.24 | simonrvn | funzl: libc is |
| 17:50.55 | grant_skywalker | apt-get install dist-upgrade didn't give me any upgrade on the kernel hthoug |
| 17:50.56 | jelly | feels superfluous and redundant |
| 17:51.23 | stew | <stew> jelly feels superfluous and redundant |
| 17:51.32 | frafra | I'm testing debian lenny, and I think that I've found 2 bugs... 1) grub doesn't boot xen default kernel in qemu/virtualbox (I don't know if this could happens in a real pc). 2) virt-manager doesn't allow to connect to local service if you don't run it as root |
| 17:53.29 | simonrvn | <stew> <stew> jelly feels superfluous and redundant |
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| 17:54.06 | frafra | what do you think about them? should I report those problems? |
| 17:54.17 | simonrvn | check bts first |
| 17:54.25 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 17:54.39 | keith4 | you're surprised that you can't boot the xen kernel... running in qemu or virtualbox? |
| 17:54.51 | grant_skywalker | Stew/themill/jelly: can you guys advice on the dist-upgrade case? |
| 17:54.53 | ilaiho | does anyone know of the alternative kernels |
| 17:55.12 | stew | grant_skywalker: what about it? what do you mean by "dist-upgrade case" ? |
| 17:55.33 | ilaiho | I have heard that Lenny will officially support also other kernels than Linux |
| 17:55.41 | grant_skywalker | dist-upgrade didn't get me the latest kernel(still using etchnhalf's kernel) |
| 17:55.42 | frafra | keith4, I don't know if xen require some special processor feature... I don't think... I only know that kvm needs a special one |
| 17:55.56 | jelly | grant_skywalker: that's normal |
| 17:56.08 | stew | grant_skywalker: you probably don't have a kernel meta-pacakge installed to trigger this (like linux-image-2.6-686) |
| 17:56.27 | grant_skywalker | oh.. what is meta-package? |
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| 17:56.51 | stew | grant_skywalker: a pacakge that only exists to depend on other packages |
| 17:57.03 | jelly | !metapackage |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | metapackage is probably a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 17:57.30 | jelly | ... |
| 17:57.43 | simonrvn | wtf is that roy/will shit? |
| 17:57.49 | jelly | simonrvn: a bad pun |
| 17:57.56 | funzl | simonrvn: (nameresolving problem): is there a process using libc for resolving? doesn't work... |
| 17:58.13 | simonrvn | i got that... but it's kinda irrelevant... |
| 17:58.17 | jelly | orly |
| 17:58.18 | stew | funzl: can you be more specific? what isn't resolving? |
| 17:58.27 | grant_skywalker | in fact, due to the lost of nozomi driver and i want to compile one(with etchnhalf), now i'm stuck in it and can't use my pcmcia-3g-card. |
| 17:58.29 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:58.35 | simonrvn | fix that |
| 17:58.58 | jelly | dpkg, metapackage =~ s/Roy.*WILL rogers // |
| 17:58.58 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Roy.*WILL rogers ', jelly |
| 17:59.11 | simonrvn | dpkg: die |
| 17:59.11 | dpkg | I'll murder you simonrvn! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 17:59.12 | jelly | dpkg: your syntax is misleading |
| 17:59.12 | dudeman | huh |
| 17:59.13 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 17:59.21 | dudeman | thts a violent fucking bot |
| 17:59.24 | dudeman | damn |
| 17:59.39 | simonrvn | um, it's a bot...? |
| 17:59.46 | dudeman | yeh but its violent |
| 17:59.47 | dudeman | man |
| 17:59.50 | jelly | dudeman: how do _you_ know about its way of fucking? |
| 18:00.01 | grant_skywalker | guys, can i switch to another kernel instead of using etchnhalf? how? |
| 18:00.06 | funzl | stew: i'm behind a gateway, in /etc/resolf.conf there's an entry with the IP of the gateway... pinging servers by IP-adress is working, but not by name |
| 18:00.09 | dudeman | jelly, isn't it bedtime yet? |
| 18:00.22 | jelly | grant_skywalker: install linux-image-2.6-686, for example |
| 18:00.34 | dudeman | whats the lenny kernel |
| 18:00.37 | grant_skywalker | the general kernel? |
| 18:00.54 | dudeman | i have .26 |
| 18:00.55 | jelly | grant_skywalker: oh, and linux-headers-2.6-686 too since you already know you need it for m-a |
| 18:00.56 | grant_skywalker | yeah, right, what's the kernel of lenny or etch? |
| 18:00.59 | simonrvn | funzl: um, does the 'gateway' have proper NS ? |
| 18:01.07 | funzl | stew: with an other pc nameresolving is possible, so the setting on the gateway should be correct |
| 18:01.15 | stew | grant_skywalker: apt-cache search -n linux-image ; pick one ; aptitude install $pacakgename |
| 18:01.17 | funzl | simonrvn: with an other pc nameresolving is possible, so the setting on the gateway should be correct |
| 18:01.33 | jelly | grant_skywalker: that metapackage will bring in the regular package for your release |
| 18:01.37 | grant_skywalker | cool, let me check it out, thanks, guys! |
| 18:01.39 | dudeman | yeh i have .26 |
| 18:01.40 | funzl | (pc is on the same network=) |
| 18:01.45 | dudeman | upgrade doesn't want to do anything |
| 18:01.47 | dudeman | so i guess im good |
| 18:01.48 | stew | funzl: what happens if you run "nslookup google.com 1.2.3.4" where 1.2.3.4 is the ip of your gateway? |
| 18:02.14 | grant_skywalker | so, should i install metapackage too?? |
| 18:02.32 | jelly | sighs |
| 18:02.43 | simonrvn | 's left eyelid starts twitching |
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| 18:03.05 | funzl | stew: nslookup: command not found. |
| 18:03.26 | simonrvn | !nslookup |
| 18:03.31 | stew | funzl: what does "getent hosts google.com" return? |
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| 18:03.37 | simonrvn | bah, fu bot |
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| 18:05.45 | funzl | stew: nothing. $? is 2 |
| 18:06.13 | stew | funzl: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
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| 18:06.59 | funzl | stew: 'hosts: files dns' |
| 18:07.20 | stew | funzl: can you install the dnsutils package? |
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| 18:07.40 | jelly | strace getent hosts google.com is nice, too |
| 18:07.41 | stew | funzl: it really seems that either your nameserver entry in resolv.conf is wrong, or you are firewalled |
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| 18:09.05 | jelly | dpkg: forget your syntax |
| 18:09.05 | dpkg | jelly: i forgot your syntax |
| 18:09.14 | jelly | not mine, yours! |
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| 18:09.31 | funzl | stew: ok. so i'll try to find the problem using dnsutils and probably look at the gateway-config. so, thanks so far :) |
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| 18:11.19 | stew | funzl: with dnsutils installed, you could run "host google.com 1.2.3.4" or "nslooup google.com 1.2.3.4" ro something similar to query the 1.2.3.4 nameserver directly (which would bypass any misconfiguration). if that doesn't work, then you either have a problem talking to 1.2.3.4, or 1.2.3.4 is not actually the nameserver you should be using |
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| 18:14.58 | EmleyMoor | What is there in Debian for playing an audio CD direct from a drive with no audio connector? |
| 18:15.45 | simonrvn | cat? |
| 18:15.47 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:15.54 | abrotman | aplay ? |
| 18:16.18 | EmleyMoor | I will look at aplay... |
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| 18:17.37 | cahoot | mplayer cdda:// ? |
| 18:18.24 | EmleyMoor | I'll have a look at such options later when I can pass good judgment on it |
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| 18:19.42 | EmleyMoor | Debian hasn't set my DVD-ROM drive up as such anyway yet |
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| 18:21.12 | EmleyMoor | Not sure it's actually going to use it |
| 18:21.27 | EmleyMoor | [ 13.196512] ata7.00: ATAPI: ATAPI DVD D DH16D3S, SP51, max UDMA/100 |
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| 18:21.42 | EmleyMoor | [ 13.516127] scsi 6:0:0:0: CD-ROM ATAPI DVD D DH16D3S SP51 PQ |
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| 18:21.53 | EmleyMoor | It seems to have called both drives "hda" |
| 18:22.05 | dudeman | cdda? |
| 18:22.08 | EmleyMoor | [ 14.697391] hda: DVDRW IDE H16X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 18:22.09 | dudeman | you can do that? |
| 18:22.20 | EmleyMoor | [ 15.625297] hda: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
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| 18:22.22 | beardy | Easier to just play the device. |
| 18:22.22 | pingouin | EmleyMoor: cdcd maybe also ? |
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| 18:23.00 | EmleyMoor | Why would Debian have put my drives "wrong" like that? |
| 18:23.09 | Blackhold | hello, how much time, could spend a redimension of a hd of 200gb? |
| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | 3 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 25 seconds |
| 18:23.58 | EmleyMoor | How long is a piece of string? |
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| 18:24.12 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
| 18:24.26 | simonrvn | how long is your arm? that long. |
| 18:24.33 | beardy | 2x$distancefrommiddletooneend |
| 18:24.44 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've a problem with my debian server. it has a 10GB of HDD mounted using NFS. |
| 18:24.50 | simonrvn | beardy++ |
| 18:24.54 | Ego-Ale-Sum | they told me that NFS creates snapshots every day |
| 18:25.02 | Ego-Ale-Sum | so I must not use more than 50% of the disk |
| 18:25.09 | Blackhold | EmleyMoor: is a partition of 175 gb to 40gb |
| 18:25.11 | Ego-Ale-Sum | now, I'm using 52% and I can't delete any file |
| 18:25.17 | Ego-Ale-Sum | how can I disable NFS backups? |
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| 18:25.40 | pbn | evening, still the same problem with that external enclosure |
| 18:25.48 | pbn | lsusb sees it |
| 18:26.00 | pbn | but in udev monitor I get hundreds of time: |
| 18:26.01 | pbn | UDEV [1223663112.464699] add /kernel/uids/65534 (kernel) |
| 18:26.02 | pbn | UEVENT[1223663113.484356] remove /kernel/uids/65534 (kernel) |
| 18:26.15 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: i've never heard of such a thing. i have nfs volumes which are over 99% full with no problems |
| 18:26.43 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: last saturday my sever was blocked because of this |
| 18:26.58 | Ego-Ale-Sum | my host told me that is NFS that creates automatic snapshots every day |
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| 18:27.10 | Ego-Ale-Sum | they had to delete a snapshot, and it started working again |
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| 18:28.41 | SOG | aahh |
| 18:28.54 | Ego-Ale-Sum | what? |
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| 18:29.15 | SOG | trying to install debian now... |
| 18:29.28 | Ego-Ale-Sum | please it's very important... now it's 8.30PM here and I've got only 3,3 hours before snapshots are (teorically) created.... |
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| 18:30.02 | wols | Ego-Ale-Sum: we don't know everything and claiming it's urgent means we ignore you on purpose |
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| 18:30.47 | Ego-Ale-Sum | but, if you say that NSF doesn't create any snapshot... why did it create one? |
| 18:30.58 | EmleyMoor | After amending udev's rules, how do I make them take effect? |
| 18:31.01 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:31.07 | Janos | hi there, trying to get debian etch with pam-ldap authentication, it's working great but can only use CRYPT passwords on the LDAP server for the passwd utility and the getent shadow <user> to work, anyone knows what do i have to modify so i can use SSHA encryption on the LDAP ? |
| 18:31.09 | Akuw | how can i change GDM Theme? |
| 18:31.11 | Ego-Ale-Sum | the technician said that they are waiting for a patch from Sun Microsystems to fix that |
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| 18:31.26 | abrotman | nfs? sun? Debian? |
| 18:31.38 | Ego-Ale-Sum | this is what the technicians told me... |
| 18:31.41 | wols | Ego-Ale-Sum: it's something your hoster does, not us. and it's something only your hoster can fix, not us or you |
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| 18:31.50 | wols | abrotman: sun server. debian clients? |
| 18:32.33 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: what operating system is your nfs server running? |
| 18:32.35 | Ego-Ale-Sum | wol: I don't know what sun has to do in that too... I just know that, if I don't do anything, my server is going to stop in a few hours |
| 18:32.42 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: what is the patch from sun going to fix? |
| 18:32.43 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: don't know. |
| 18:32.47 | dudeman | hm |
| 18:32.59 | dudeman | hoster |
| 18:32.59 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: the NFS server is not mine. |
| 18:33.06 | Ego-Ale-Sum | the host is OVH, btw |
| 18:33.13 | dudeman | never heard of em |
| 18:33.28 | dudeman | !ping |
| 18:33.28 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:33.35 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: can you show us what the output of "lsb_release -a" is when you run it on the nfs server? |
| 18:33.54 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: again, I CANNOT access to the NFS server |
| 18:34.02 | abrotman | are you sure it's even debian? |
| 18:34.05 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: how are we going to possibly help you change the nfs server then? |
| 18:34.06 | abrotman | the client i mean |
| 18:34.22 | tech13 | getting random "freeze" on a kde setup. ssh from another machine to it, top shows cpu is 95%+ idle. hard drive lights are silent, keyboard at the machine doesn't respond. mouse moves, but clicks are ignored. What are some ways to fix it? |
| 18:34.27 | SOG | I wonder, does Debian uses hdax to mount or uid system ? |
| 18:34.48 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: I don't want to change the NFS server. I just want to know if there was a way to stop it creating snapshots in MY space. |
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| 18:34.57 | EmleyMoor | I have altered /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules - what do I need to do to make it take effect? |
| 18:34.59 | Ego-Ale-Sum | for example, using something like mknod -c 3 2 |
| 18:35.00 | Ego-Ale-Sum | etc |
| 18:35.07 | Tapout | I'm getting a lot of errors from syslogd ... dev kernel: [718301.993770] Code: 16 2e 07 00 85 c0 75 13 31 c0 f6 43 04 10 75 06 90 ff 03 48 89 d8 fe 43 08 eb 24 fe 43 08 48 8b 6d 00 48 85 ed 74 16 48 8d 5d e8 <48> 8b 45 00 44 39 73 30 0f 18 08 75 e6 e9 78 ff ff ff 31 c0 41 |
| 18:35.28 | wols | Tapout: that's not all. there is more |
| 18:35.42 | wols | what you pasted is an assembly code dump |
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| 18:35.44 | Tapout | dev kernel: [718301.993770] stack segment: 0000 [14] SMP |
| 18:35.54 | wols | Tapout: the FULL exception and kernel version |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | in a pastebin |
| 18:36.02 | dudeman | !kde4 |
| 18:36.02 | dpkg | kde4 is, like, a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 18:36.06 | wols | and DON'T paste here |
| 18:36.17 | dudeman | wait... why did i ... |
| 18:36.52 | dudeman | scratches head.. I lost my train of thought |
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| 18:37.02 | Tapout | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1224775 |
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| 18:37.35 | Tapout | I'm running this: Linux dev 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 15:31:12 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux ... |
| 18:37.36 | dudeman | oh yeh, 4.1.2 in unstable |
| 18:37.37 | dudeman | sweet |
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| 18:38.05 | dudeman | do the debian people own debian.com? |
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| 18:38.19 | wols | dudeman: check whois |
| 18:38.21 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I'm happy to see everyone is ignoring me... |
| 18:38.31 | Tapout | wols, is it related to a drive issue? |
| 18:38.33 | dudeman | oh |
| 18:38.34 | dudeman | yeah |
| 18:38.38 | dudeman | oh yeh, spi cool |
| 18:38.39 | nrishima | Hi, does anyone speak spanish? |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:38.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:39.08 | nrishima | Thank you, sorry. |
| 18:39.08 | dudeman | how come debian.com isn't used for commercial stuff? like selling debian products to raise money |
| 18:39.12 | dudeman | like mugs, tshirts, other stuff |
| 18:39.15 | dudeman | hats |
| 18:39.20 | dudeman | bags |
| 18:39.30 | dudeman | u know? |
| 18:39.36 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: "man nfs" would tell you all of the possible nfs mount options |
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| 18:40.02 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: but, of course, I can't dismount the NFS drive, since it's mounting in / .... |
| 18:40.09 | dudeman | stew, do you know? |
| 18:40.15 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: you could remount it |
| 18:40.23 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: (if such an option existed) |
| 18:40.32 | wols | Tapout: looks when you access files. well you run a beta... or even unstable |
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| 18:40.52 | Ego-Ale-Sum | is there a way I can search the file it is creating? so I simply delete it and make it unwriteable? |
| 18:41.00 | firebird619 | Could someone help me with an external burner issue? When I have it connected to my linux PC, and put a blank CD or DVD in the drive, it just spins up and spins down repeatedly. I can't burn anything, etc. However, when I connect it to my Windows PC, I do not have this problem. What could be causing this and how can I fix it? |
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| 18:41.50 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: the snapshot exists as a file? |
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| 18:42.12 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: when the host deleted my snapshot, they told me they had deleted a file.... |
| 18:42.25 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: ask them what file they deleted |
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| 18:42.34 | EmleyMoor | udevadm trigger ;-) |
| 18:42.40 | Ego-Ale-Sum | eh, support is closed now.... |
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| 18:43.40 | mutante | what does a SSH server want to tell me, when it says "ssh_exchange_information: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 18:43.43 | Statusd | in debian live the apt-get update just hangs |
| 18:43.47 | Statusd | what might be the problem? |
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| 18:43.52 | mutante | especially since it lets me login, when i come from another host |
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| 18:44.00 | Statusd | i do apt-get update and nothing happends |
| 18:44.09 | rman | what do i add to my sources.list for backports |
| 18:44.20 | stew | rman: there is an instructions page on backports.org |
| 18:44.26 | rman | stew: ok |
| 18:44.32 | Statusd | whats wrong? |
| 18:44.42 | Statusd | even ^c won't stop it |
| 18:44.52 | Statusd | just hangs there |
| 18:45.23 | mutante | cant DNS the servernames in sources.list and is still trying?? |
| 18:45.32 | Statusd | i can't even kill the apt-get process with -9 |
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| 18:46.11 | themill | mutante: you'll see that if you've got tcp wrappers control on where you can log in from (/etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny) |
| 18:46.35 | rman | stew: i did that but i get this error W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 18:46.39 | rman | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 18:46.47 | themill | rman: keep reading those instructions |
| 18:47.31 | rman | keyring? |
| 18:47.39 | themill | yep |
| 18:47.50 | mutante | themill: so the information in "exchange_information" refers to me being blocked for my IP adress? this is weird, i run the server myself, didnt change stuff, neither server nor client and worked before, it seems it could only be provider side... thanks though |
| 18:47.56 | stew | rman: that's a warning, not an error. if you want to verify those signatures, it gives you several ways to import the key on the instructions page |
| 18:48.20 | stew | mutante: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:48.37 | Tapout | !downgrade |
| 18:48.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 18:48.38 | themill | mutante: are you running the "denyhosts" package on that machine? |
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| 18:49.51 | mutante | themill: actually, yes, i do, but actually its been running for a while before the problem started, and i havent even tried to login multiple times |
| 18:50.00 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 18:50.38 | mutante | themill: thanks for pointing this out, i kind of forgot that is installed :p |
| 18:50.45 | format_c | screamingbytes, you know the internet does not have local borders? |
| 18:50.45 | dob1 | hi, when i am on Xorg and i run emacs it runs the version for X, when i am in console it runs the console version, how can i run the console verison on X too ? |
| 18:50.54 | themill | mutante: since you can log in from another machine, have a look in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
| 18:51.00 | screamingbytes | format_c |
| 18:51.09 | screamingbytes | format_c: lol sry, yes |
| 18:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, it *is* afternoon here |
| 18:51.25 | format_c | So I assume you're living in the states? |
| 18:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so good guess |
| 18:51.30 | screamingbytes | format_c: goodmorning, afternoon, evening, and late night all |
| 18:51.43 | format_c | jeah very compatible |
| 18:51.43 | screamingbytes | yea, ca |
| 18:51.54 | mutante | themill: damn, over 10k lines in hosts.deny |
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| 18:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutante, that sounds rather useless |
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| 18:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like saying I don't want an apple, umbrella, raincoat, parrot, wine bottle, doggie, tree.... |
| 18:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | when all you want to say is "I want a banana" |
| 18:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | consider using hosts.allow |
| 18:54.14 | mutante | hmm, ok, its just that i am travelling right now, and keep connecting from different places |
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| 18:54.27 | mutante | and those lines have all been created by denyhosts automatically |
| 18:54.31 | Raim | hello |
| 18:54.34 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: these are automatically added by the denyhosts package |
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| 18:55.15 | mutante | before i just used "ssshutout" instead, then a friend recently pointed me to denyhosts |
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| 18:55.28 | themill | mutante: also look at fail2ban |
| 18:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutante, perhaps use fail2ban instead - that only blocks for about 10 minutes via firewall or routing rules |
| 18:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, heh :) |
| 18:55.38 | mutante | ok, thanks guys |
| 18:55.42 | themill | (echo) |
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| 19:00.50 | rrowell | i have 2 interfaces, eth0 (192.168.20.x) and eth1 (192.168.222.x), I want the default gateway to be 192.168.222.1 and all traffice for 192.168.20.0/24 and all traffic for 192.168.1.0/24 to go to the gateway 192.168.20.1... I know how to build the route table manually, but I was hoping for some guidance on how to set this up with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:00.52 | mutante | before i delete those 10000 lines, now i am curious to where most of them came from, like DNSlookup all of them and sort by country, or something |
| 19:01.12 | mutante | IPindex, i guess, just not manually |
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| 19:02.42 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: hardly .. not when you consider how many internet sites there are, and how many different ones you are even bound to visit |
| 19:02.54 | enouf | s/ever* |
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| 19:04.19 | format_c | mutante, lie, this: up route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:04.48 | Matt|GS | anyone here have experiance with subversion? |
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| 19:05.28 | themill | Matt|GS: assume yes and ask your real question |
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| 19:06.27 | Matt|GS | My post-commit executable works fine if I execute it manually, but it doesn't seem to be executing when I commit a change |
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| 19:07.42 | format_c | ahm rrowell |
| 19:07.45 | format_c | was for you |
| 19:07.47 | format_c | up route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:07.58 | format_c | put this into the interface file |
| 19:08.22 | rrowell | ah, I didn't know I could do that |
| 19:08.35 | rrowell | and it will get the 192.168.22.0/24 network anyway right? |
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| 19:13.07 | hexa | hi all, any ideas on how I would prevent apt-get from removing conflicting packages ? i'm moving from qmail to postfix.. but I need them both until my conf is ready.. ? |
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| 19:13.44 | stew | hexa: prepare the postfix configuration on another machine |
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| 19:14.48 | stew | (or in a chroot, perhaps) |
| 19:15.06 | hexa | stew, that's possible but I still will have some downtime.. would be nice if I could just setup it all on another ip.. then just switch the ip.. |
| 19:15.22 | stew | hexa: you can't |
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| 19:15.36 | hexa | stew, why not ? |
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| 19:16.12 | hexa | must be a way to override this conflict no? |
| 19:16.13 | Joelito | hi all |
| 19:16.23 | stew | hexa: there is, but you don't want to do that, you'll break things |
| 19:16.28 | rektide | i'm trying to install flash player 10 on a x86-64 architecture; is there any way I can lie to it and run it in such a way as it thinks its on a 32 bit machine? |
| 19:16.42 | Joelito | I want to use the unix command "mail"from the therminal, what package do you recommend to use |
| 19:16.52 | stew | hexa: debian doesn't provide a facility for doing what you want to do. |
| 19:16.55 | stew | Joelito: mailx |
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| 19:17.27 | hexa | stew, and how would I remove the issue let's say I'm carefull not to break things... ? |
| 19:17.35 | Joelito | Thanks stew |
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| 19:17.56 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 19:17.56 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 19:18.32 | stew | rektide: the experimental version seems to indicate fp10, and it will depend on nspluginwrapper which will do what you want to make the 32 bit plugin work in a 64 bit browser |
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| 19:19.26 | stew | hexa: you'll have to find all of files provided by both MTAs (such as /usr/sbin/sendmail), then make both packages not isntall this file directly but install /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix, then manange these files via the alternatives system (update-alternatives) |
| 19:19.34 | agiofws_ | hello |
| 19:19.42 | agiofws_ | i have 2h to make my 02:09.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) work can anyone help me |
| 19:20.04 | hexa | stew, hehe ok I see :( .. |
| 19:20.27 | rrowell | format_c, I'm still getting a default route for eth0 to 192.168.20.1 even though I commented out the gateway line in the interfaces file, how I can I make eth0 not add a default? |
| 19:20.35 | stew | hexa: then you'll need to rebuild the pacakges to not conflict with mail-transport-agent |
| 19:21.06 | rektide | stew: i downloaded fp10 manually |
| 19:21.07 | stew | hexa: i'm not sure how you get postfix to not bind to all ip addresses |
| 19:21.18 | hexa | stew: k :) thx I think i'll go with the other machine solution hehe |
| 19:21.18 | stew | rektide: ok |
| 19:21.18 | Nwallins | i am trying to get more text onto a vga console / text mode. scrollback would be great, also. I have played around with console-setup package. are there other options? how do i enable framebuffer? |
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| 19:22.50 | rektide | i want to put the full path to a file into my selection buffer; what are some quick ways to get the full path of a file in CWD ? |
| 19:23.27 | xerophyte1 | when i do netstat i get connection something liket his tcp 0 0 10.23.23.23:800 192.168.4.27:2049 ESTABLISHED- .. how can kill .. when i do lsof -i:800 i get nothing too .. how can i clear that connections |
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| 19:24.13 | ndee | is it somehow to search for files which belong to a specific user? |
| 19:24.42 | stew | rektide: apt-cache show xclip xsel |
| 19:25.03 | stew | ndee: find has an -owner switch |
| 19:25.10 | stew | (or -uid) |
| 19:25.16 | ndee | stew: sweet, thanks |
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| 19:25.27 | stew | maybe it only has -uid and i'm misremembering |
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| 19:26.28 | themill | -user exists |
| 19:26.57 | Siya | any ldap ppl around? |
| 19:27.43 | Siya | I'm adding ldap to my samba3 setup and have added my pam users to ldap but none of the samba stuff is being moved with it when using migrationtools |
| 19:27.46 | ezguy | how can i remove this? rc virtualbox-ose 1.6.2-dfsg-6 |
| 19:27.56 | rektide | stew: i know xsel, i dont know an easy way to output an absolute file path. i do find `pwd` -name "blllaaaahhh" now, which seems excessive |
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| 19:28.11 | Siya | I can manually add samba users via phpldapadmin |
| 19:28.37 | Siya | but I want to migrate existing useds and passwords |
| 19:28.55 | paxcoder | (I'm trying to boot installed debian live from USB stick) sorry if it's OT, but can you tell me if installing mbr/grub or similar will help boot from /dev/sda2 (instead of the first partition)? I should say qemu loads it, when I specify it's second partition (sda2), not first (sda1/sda ?), btw. |
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| 19:29.51 | rektide | paxcoder: use ISOLINUX or something similar designed for these boot devices |
| 19:30.18 | eOliva | there's a good tutorial on how compile the kernel in Debian without the "Debian way" ? |
| 19:30.38 | rektide | eOliva: its either make-kpkg or just follow any vanila instructions for kernel compilation |
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| 19:31.13 | stew | eOliva: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:31.20 | n3kl | Siya: you might try #ldap. Be prepared to wait |
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| 19:32.06 | stew | rektide: maybe i'm misunderstanding something, but why inst $(pwd)/somefile an acceptable path to somefile? |
| 19:32.14 | Siya | n3kl: ok tx |
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| 19:32.23 | paxcoder | rektide: so basically i have to install a boot loader? |
| 19:32.38 | brainsoft | mi pc reboot when I was running something and now I see this in the file with -al |
| 19:32.41 | paxcoder | *as I said, it boots with qemu |
| 19:32.42 | brainsoft | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? |
| 19:32.47 | brainsoft | I/O error |
| 19:32.52 | brainsoft | can I recover the file? |
| 19:33.06 | n3kl | brainsoft: what filesystem? |
| 19:33.10 | brainsoft | ext2 |
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| 19:33.33 | n3kl | brainsoft: did you do an fsck on it? |
| 19:33.37 | paxcoder | brainsoft: they say no, but I bet FBI could |
| 19:33.39 | brainsoft | no |
| 19:33.41 | brainsoft | should I? |
| 19:33.58 | n3kl | brainsoft: I think that I would given your circumstance. Backup first |
| 19:34.02 | rektide | stew: it'd be acceptable if it flash completed. :/ |
| 19:34.04 | stew | brainsoft: have you run fsck? |
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| 19:34.16 | stew | rektide: what do you mean? |
| 19:34.20 | brainsoft | it run after the reboot |
| 19:34.23 | stew | rektide: what is "flash completed"? |
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| 19:34.40 | stew | brainsoft: are you sure it is ext2 and not reiserfs? |
| 19:34.44 | brainsoft | yeap |
| 19:34.46 | themill | geg |
| 19:34.49 | n3kl | brainsoft: Try to run it manually |
| 19:34.56 | brainsoft | altough reisersfs is cooler |
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| 19:35.00 | stew | usually when someone shows up with ???????? it is reiserfs |
| 19:35.02 | brainsoft | a killer coded it |
| 19:35.07 | n3kl | I with reiser would just go away |
| 19:35.23 | stew | n3kl: have patience |
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| 19:35.49 | stew | or should i say patienth |
| 19:35.50 | n3kl | stew: I used reiser a few years ago, until it crapped the bed. Never again |
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| 19:36.25 | n3kl | stew: is that russian for patience or something? |
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| 19:36.41 | stew | n3kl: i don't know is 'with' russian for 'wish'? |
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| 19:37.20 | n3kl | got it =] |
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| 19:40.41 | paxcoder | stew: certainly not |
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| 19:42.46 | SOG | if I am running the mini CD, do I have to have a network card ? because my old PC uses PCMCIA CD-ROM and PCMCIA network card.... |
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| 19:44.14 | SOG | if I am running the mini CD, do I have to have a network card ? because my old PC uses PCMCIA CD-ROM and PCMCIA network card.... |
| 19:44.43 | themill | !repeat |
| 19:44.43 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:44.48 | stew | SOG: you would need some way to get to the internet using the mini cd, that could be a PCMCIA network card. if you eman that you cannot use both cdrom and network card at the same time that would be a problem |
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| 19:45.03 | SOG | oh.. |
| 19:45.06 | stew | SOG: if you can boot from usb you could install from a usb drive |
| 19:45.27 | SOG | yeah.. I cannot use both at the same time.. sorry about repeating :D I though no one was here |
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| 19:45.42 | paxcoder | what to do to make USB device boot second partition? |
| 19:46.06 | stew | SOG: the netinst cd shouldn't require a network |
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| 19:47.06 | paxcoder | stew: can you connect to the internet without a network? o.O |
| 19:47.24 | SOG | stew but it asked me for network access... but then I can skip it, but now I am unable to boot into Debian.. I am trying To figure out why, could have something to do with the Gryb menu.lst |
| 19:47.27 | paxcoder | remembers 56k modems |
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| 19:47.38 | paxcoder | i take that back |
| 19:48.14 | SOG | 56K is fast :O look at fax still run at 14000 :D |
| 19:49.18 | paxcoder | SOG: I'm usually all for standards, but 14k is just baad. |
| 19:49.40 | stew | paxcoder: no, you can't connect to the internet without a network, but netinst doesn't require the internet |
| 19:50.06 | SOG | ya I was trying yo say fax are still slow |
| 19:50.08 | paxcoder | stew: doesn't require internet? what does that mean? |
| 19:50.30 | htmlol | you can install a basic system without internet |
| 19:50.33 | paxcoder | stew: oh you mean DVD instead of net |
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| 19:50.36 | htmlol | using the netinst CD |
| 19:50.41 | htmlol | paxcoder: ^^ |
| 19:50.42 | stew | paxcoder: no, i mean the netinst doesn't need a network |
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| 19:51.46 | stew | paxcoder: the businesscard cd needs the internet, the netinst doesn't |
| 19:52.23 | paxcoder | stew: kk (that businesscard cd is just funny btw) |
| 19:53.14 | stew | paxcoder: why? |
| 19:53.53 | paxcoder | stew: just a feeling. like a "teletypewriter". |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | doesn't get it |
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| 19:54.18 | paxcoder | obsolete? |
| 19:54.19 | screamingbytes | i been havin trouble for a few days logging into XFCE4, ive been google'ing and trying every solution that was feasable. But so far no luck. Any help would be appreciated: http://debian.pastebin.com/d421e291 |
| 19:54.22 | SOG | Oh hey I just look at it! Debian's iso can boot from Grub directly! cool, let me try it now |
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| 20:09.37 | n3kl | Anyone know of a good free dialup service? |
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| 20:10.56 | paxcoder | n3kl: service? |
| 20:11.03 | n3kl | provider |
| 20:11.13 | paxcoder | n3kl: I'm from Europe. |
| 20:11.22 | n3kl | Anyone else? |
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| 20:13.35 | paxcoder | n3kl: how come you need dial up? |
| 20:13.46 | paxcoder | (you seem pretty connected to me) |
| 20:14.16 | n3kl | yeah, well my home cable is out, I think due to the comcast 250G restrictions, so I would like to have some other secondary connection into my home systems |
| 20:14.45 | abrotman | n3kl: you're on the net ... |
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| 20:15.10 | abrotman | n3kl: doesn't comcast offer a dialup backup ? |
| 20:15.19 | n3kl | hmmm |
| 20:15.24 | n3kl | news to me if there is |
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| 20:17.47 | paxcoder | n3kl: can't you just do a google search (those things don't require registration) |
| 20:18.10 | n3kl | I am, but all the free ones are actaully like 10 bucks a month |
| 20:18.18 | paxcoder | you just yell some crazy sounds into the phone, and voila, you're connected... barely |
| 20:18.19 | n3kl | that I have found so far |
| 20:18.25 | paxcoder | n3kl: you've got free ones? |
| 20:18.31 | paxcoder | wow. |
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| 20:18.37 | n3kl | thats what I am looking for |
| 20:19.28 | blast_hardcheese | I've got an xmodmap question, Is there a way to turn the Zenkaku_Hankaku key(jp106, code 49) into the `/~ key? |
| 20:19.58 | blast_hardcheese | Zenkaku_Hankaku doesn't have two modes, the shift modifier doesn't change the keycode |
| 20:20.25 | blast_hardcheese | It shows up as having the shift modifier held down though, how can I map shift + Zenkaku_Hankaku to ~? |
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| 20:20.30 | n3kl | I think that information is in the manpage |
| 20:21.01 | blast_hardcheese | I've read the manpage and the -grammar, honestly it's a bit confusing |
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| 20:22.17 | n3kl | blast_hardcheese: I think it would be something like xmodmap -e "keysym Zenkaku_Hankaku = Tilde" |
| 20:22.27 | stew | blast_hardcheese: keycode 49 = grave asciitilde |
| 20:22.30 | n3kl | blast_hardcheese: but I don't know what the "tilde" would be called |
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| 20:22.50 | n3kl | there ya go |
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| 20:22.57 | bewpy | is there a bittorrent client for linux? |
| 20:23.10 | n3kl | bewpy: try google, there are like 40 |
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| 20:23.20 | stew | bewpy: many, apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 20:23.21 | bewpy | lol k |
| 20:23.25 | bewpy | thanks |
| 20:23.55 | bewpy | stew, that returned nothing.. but ill try google |
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| 20:24.19 | stew | bewpy: realy? are you running debian? |
| 20:24.22 | bewpy | yep |
| 20:24.39 | blast_hardcheese | stew: That will set 49 to grave and shift+49 to tilde? |
| 20:24.44 | bewpy | nvm, my bad |
| 20:24.50 | n3kl | bewpy: that should return quite a lot |
| 20:24.52 | bewpy | im a bit buzzed.. i typed torrent wrong |
| 20:24.53 | bewpy | lol |
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| 20:24.54 | stew | blast_hardcheese: yes |
| 20:25.00 | blast_hardcheese | Cool, thank you very much |
| 20:25.05 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:25.26 | bewpy | thanks.. any reccomendations? |
| 20:25.36 | stew | bewpy: rtorrent |
| 20:25.41 | blast_hardcheese | rtorrent ftw |
| 20:25.44 | zmitya | can I have multiple IP addresses in one physical network device from different networks ? |
| 20:25.52 | bewpy | okay ill try it out.. thanks |
| 20:25.53 | n3kl | I like the bittornado one |
| 20:25.56 | Blackhold | hey guys, one question I'm on lenny using kernel 2.6.26-1, if I want to use a newer kernel, a precompiled kernel, how I have to do that? putting sources to sid, install the kernel and then return to lenny? |
| 20:26.05 | stew | zmitya: yes |
| 20:26.07 | zmitya | I have 10.1.1.1 and I would like to add 192.168.1.1 too |
| 20:26.16 | zmitya | it says: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 20:26.24 | stew | zmitya: what command gave you that error? |
| 20:26.26 | SOG | man took me while to figure out why I cannot boot... Debian read HD as sdax in Grub ... but somehow the installation on the netinstall CD used hdax |
| 20:26.33 | blast_hardcheese | stew: I've got keycode 49 = grave asciitilde and I just get the grave |
| 20:26.34 | keith4_ | eth0:1 inet static |
| 20:26.39 | n3kl | zmitya: I think you have to setup pseudo interfaces |
| 20:26.40 | zmitya | stew: ifconfig eth0:0 up says it |
| 20:26.50 | blast_hardcheese | Shift 49 gives me the grave as well |
| 20:26.58 | stew | zmitya: show us the output of "ifconfig -a" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:27.03 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a modifier key mask that I have to apply to asciitilde? |
| 20:27.38 | stew | blast_hardcheese: i assume that "xmodmap" shows your shift keys being mapped to shift |
| 20:27.52 | blast_hardcheese | yessir |
| 20:28.00 | zmitya | stew: http://paste.debian.net/18958/ |
| 20:28.24 | stew | zmitya: yeah, your ethernet is eth1 not eth0 |
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| 20:28.43 | zmitya | stew: yes, I just wrote an example before |
| 20:28.49 | bewpy | how do i find out the command to run something i just installed? i cant remember.. lad or something? sorry lol |
| 20:28.50 | zmitya | this is the real situation |
| 20:29.08 | stew | zmitya: in this real situation, what command gives you the error "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 20:29.23 | enouf | zmitya: they need to be in the same subnet, and 10.x.x.x and 192.x.x.x certainly do not quailfy |
| 20:29.29 | zmitya | stew: ifconfig eth1:0 up |
| 20:29.31 | stew | enouf: no they don't |
| 20:29.46 | zmitya | enouf: yes, that is my problem |
| 20:29.56 | enouf | stew: for aliased interfaces? |
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| 20:30.05 | zmitya | I got a new IP from my ISP from a different network in my server |
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| 20:30.43 | keith4_ | they absolutely do not |
| 20:30.55 | stew | enouf: yes. you can have different aliased interfaces on different subnets |
| 20:31.33 | stew | zmitya: have you tried assigning eth1:0 an ip? |
| 20:31.37 | bewpy | n3kl, did you say you use bittornado? |
| 20:31.40 | enouf | well, something changed somewhere then - or are you referring to an openvpn/bridged connection? |
| 20:31.47 | keith4_ | enouf: works fine. http://pastebin.com/m4c3ca929 |
| 20:31.53 | zmitya | stew: from the 10.177.177.0/24 netowrk ? |
| 20:32.13 | stew | zmitya: no, i mean like "ifconfig eth1:0 192.168.1.1" |
| 20:32.22 | stew | enouf: if it changed, it changed a very long time ago |
| 20:32.34 | stew | enouf: i've been doing it for like 10 years |
| 20:32.42 | zmitya | stew: that works |
| 20:32.44 | stew | well except i dont' bother with aliases anymore |
| 20:32.45 | zmitya | why ? |
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| 20:32.54 | weiles | hi |
| 20:33.03 | stew | zmitya: what is the point of having eth1:0 if it doesn't have an assigned ip address? |
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| 20:33.10 | weiles | my procmail currently delivers to the mbox in /var/mail/USERNAME |
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| 20:33.22 | enouf | stew: ok, then i have my facts incorrect, there's some other limitation i am thinking of .. will rescan the brain, purge the farts, and see what i come up with - might take a few days ;-) |
| 20:33.23 | n3kl | bewpy: yeah |
| 20:33.24 | weiles | i don't know why but somehow it switched from maildir back to mbox |
| 20:33.31 | enouf | keith4_: thanks - see above ;-) |
| 20:33.40 | weiles | now i can't find the setting to turn to maildir default |
| 20:33.42 | bewpy | n3kl, how do i run it? i isntalled the bittornado-gui |
| 20:33.49 | weiles | maybe somebody can give me a hint? |
| 20:33.52 | keith4_ | does procmail even support maildir? |
| 20:34.07 | stew | enouf: i dunno, how about adding as a gateway an ip you dont have a route to? |
| 20:34.10 | weiles | keith4, yes it worked since last week ;-) |
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| 20:34.26 | n3kl | bewpy: all the commands begin with bt, so do bt<TAB><TAB> to get a list of them. read the syntax and --help to get more information |
| 20:34.27 | weiles | keith4, until last week |
| 20:34.36 | bewpy | ok thanks |
| 20:34.37 | zmitya | stew: the realreal situation is that I got a new IP for my server, they gave me an IP from a different network with a different gw |
| 20:34.40 | weiles | keith4, sorry i am quite tired already |
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| 20:34.52 | weiles | is there some dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:35.06 | zmitya | keith4_: can you please show me your interfaces file ? |
| 20:35.08 | stew | zmitya: you mean a new default gateway? or a gateway to some specific subnet? |
| 20:35.12 | weiles | grep maildir * -R in etc gave no relevant hits |
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| 20:35.57 | stew | zmitya: there are examples of how to add an alias in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 20:35.58 | zmitya | stew: I think theay mean a new default gw |
| 20:36.04 | n3kl | Anyone know how to mirror traffic on one interface to another? |
| 20:36.15 | keith4_ | zmitya: http://pastebin.com/m13c243f6 |
| 20:36.32 | stew | zmitya: you can't add a second default gateway to the same routing table, so if you have more than one default gateway, you need more than one routing table (and rules to chose between them): /msg dpkg split access |
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| 20:37.04 | keith4_ | zmitya: then I just run 'ifup eth0:0', and it works |
| 20:37.04 | n3kl | todays lesson brought to you by... |
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| 20:37.19 | keith4_ | n3kl: sounds like a bridge |
| 20:37.32 | weiles | can somebody please help me, i currently lack my mails on the server for this reason |
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| 20:37.36 | stew | n3kl: have a look at bridge-utils package. i'd expect /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils to give clues |
| 20:37.49 | zmitya | keith4_: strange, but does not work for me |
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| 20:38.00 | zmitya | stew: great, that is what I wanted to avoid |
| 20:38.03 | stew | zmitya: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:38.22 | zmitya | http://paste.debian.net/18958/ |
| 20:38.57 | stew | zmitya: and what happens when you run "ifup eth1:0" ? |
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| 20:39.26 | n3kl | so using a bridge, I would be able to see the same traffic on two interfaces, even if the second interface was not routeable? |
| 20:39.30 | zmitya | stew: hmm :), SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 20:39.45 | keith4_ | n3kl: yep |
| 20:40.00 | n3kl | neat |
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| 20:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, actually, I had just such a set-up with two IP-addresses on one card and it worked just fine (although I couldn't really pick, which of the two IPs was used for outgoing connections from most applications) |
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| 20:40.58 | keith4_ | n3kl: once you have bridge-utils... you can do something like this: http://pastebin.com/m53271e8a |
| 20:41.00 | stew | n3kl: yeah, bridging is layer 2, so it has nothing to do with ip / routing... |
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| 20:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, but indeed, both used the same router, so you might have a point there |
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| 20:41.15 | n3kl | stew: Ahh |
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| 20:42.00 | vitry | hi people |
| 20:42.05 | n3kl | could I do something like "all traffic to pass eth0, also forward to ip $x" ? |
| 20:42.37 | n3kl | keith4_: I see |
| 20:42.38 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: the easy way to do this is to fwmark packets using iptables -t mangle, then switch routing tables with a ip rule that looks for the marks |
| 20:42.58 | keith4_ | or just buy a $10 hub on ebay |
| 20:43.22 | stew | n3kl: not all packets are ip packets |
| 20:43.24 | n3kl | keith4_: I have a problem trusting a hub not to go down on my only link to the internet, that is the problem |
| 20:44.06 | n3kl | stew: 's/ip/mac/g' address |
| 20:44.16 | keith4_ | well, now you're talking ebtables |
| 20:44.29 | keith4_ | n3kl: aw, c'mon. chances are... if a piece of hardware has made it past the 10-year mark, it's solid! |
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| 20:45.34 | weiles | can somebody please tell me how i switch from mailbox to maildir? |
| 20:45.44 | n3kl | Winkie: what mta? |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | n3kl: misfire |
| 20:46.04 | abrotman | !info mb2md etch |
| 20:46.05 | keith4_ | weiles: http://www.google.com/search?q=mbox2mdir |
| 20:46.05 | Kraftzwerk | i have set up lenny with several md-devices. now i need to install M$ XP. how can i install a boot loader afterwards? |
| 20:46.17 | stew | n3kl: i've been involved in getting rid of dependency on a single switch by having two bonded ethernet cards with each card going to a different switch |
| 20:46.20 | n3kl | yeah |
| 20:46.25 | dpkg | mb2md: (Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format), section net, is optional. Version: 3.20-2 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 20:46.34 | n3kl | stew: are you running stp? |
| 20:46.40 | n3kl | stew: just curious |
| 20:46.53 | stew | n3kl: no |
| 20:47.03 | stew | i don't think so? |
| 20:47.05 | n3kl | stew: that is a pretty neat idae though |
| 20:47.28 | n3kl | well, until you have problems, it might be a waste of effort |
| 20:47.56 | n3kl | I want to implement an ids at my home on a box that is not my gateway machine. |
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| 20:48.02 | n3kl | that is the real goal of this |
| 20:48.11 | Kraftzwerk | or rephrased: will the kernel on the lenny-netinstall disc recognize the existing md-devices? |
| 20:48.18 | n3kl | I guess I could get a multi-nic card or something |
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| 20:49.30 | bewpy | anyone know of a good torrent site? |
| 20:49.44 | Deiz | I'm a newbie to terminal ftp; how do I copy a folder plus subdirectories? |
| 20:50.05 | Winkie | Deiz: use lftp and use the 'mirror' command, in my experience |
| 20:50.07 | Winkie | ps hi n3kl ;) |
| 20:50.12 | OBcecado | bewpy: http://torrents.on.zoy.org |
| 20:50.29 | JesseL627 | I actually ran accross a profitable stock pick site today: www.profitlock.net |
| 20:50.32 | n3kl | Winkie: hi, sorry to wake you |
| 20:50.39 | Winkie | n3kl: no problems, it happens :) |
| 20:50.44 | bewpy | very funny |
| 20:50.47 | bewpy | not that dumb OBcecado |
| 20:50.53 | enouf | Kraftzwerk: i can only throw out a comprehensive url that discusses many grub options; http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm and discusses some things to look out for - (basically) once you install XP, you reinstall grub |
| 20:50.54 | Deiz | Winkie: Attempted lftp earlier, but it didn't prompt me for a password. |
| 20:51.07 | Winkie | Deiz: use the 'user' command |
| 20:51.12 | Winkie | it will prompt you for username/password |
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| 20:51.20 | Winkie | it only connects and authenticates as you run the commands |
| 20:51.30 | Winkie | anyway goodnight guys :) |
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| 20:52.16 | JesseL627 | I actually ran accross a profitable stock pick site today: www.profitlock.net |
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| 20:52.30 | enouf | Kraftzwerk: man grub, comments in menu.lst, and even the grub manual (see gnu.org) also has good info about different ways to install grub - perhaps you should now 1st create a nice Grub CDROM http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11 |
| 20:52.53 | paxcoder | abrotman: is that the guy who posted the link? |
| 20:52.58 | enouf | yeah |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | twice |
| 20:53.19 | paxcoder | i just came back from a crash |
| 20:53.43 | Kraftzwerk | enouf: thanks so far. right now i tend towards throwing out grub in favour of lilo |
| 20:54.24 | enouf | Kraftzwerk: yes, the kernel should recognize the md devices, however, you install grub onto block devices, not mdX devices - also "/msg dpkg rescue mode" |
| 20:54.50 | enouf | well, s/block/physical |
| 20:55.35 | Kraftzwerk | enouf: i am awara of that. /boot is on a non-raid ext2 partition |
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| 20:57.29 | blast_hardcheese | stew: My shift keys are mapped to shift but that keycode command you gave me doesn't map shift Zenkaku_Hankaku to tilde |
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| 20:58.30 | paxcoder | I'm going to give just one more chance to this driver. If it crashes again, I'm going back to fglrx |
| 20:58.32 | enouf | Kraftzwerk: the rescue mode link on the wiki, has a link to another wiki link that concerns LVM/crypt setups - there are clues there, if for some reason your mdX devices aren't detected - and note, it would help if/when referencing grub if mean legacy (0.97) or the newer grub2 (grub-pc, etc) |
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| 20:58.37 | blast_hardcheese | I've xev'd both the keypress alone and the keypress with shift held down, the only difference I can see is that state 0x0 changes to 0x1 when shift is pressed |
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| 20:59.02 | micols | how do i combine a lot of pdf's into one under linux , can convert do this? |
| 20:59.03 | paxcoder | btw. what's the difference between radeon, and radeon-hd (aside that later is used by Ubuntu ppl)? |
| 20:59.06 | micols | without losing quality |
| 20:59.19 | enouf | micols: can pdftk do it? |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 20:59.43 | mimcpher | Indeed. Here's some instructions |
| 20:59.44 | mimcpher | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/creationism1.gif |
| 20:59.47 | mimcpher | Ooops, wrong link. |
| 20:59.55 | mimcpher | http://www.debianadmin.com/combine-multiple-pdfs-into-one-file-in-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 21:00.02 | enouf | paxcoder: i think radeonhd is/was the dev one for newer ATi cards, soon to be merged with radeon, if not already |
| 21:00.06 | enouf | paxcoder: see wiki.x.org |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | micols: install pdftk .. it's pretty easy to use .. pdftk foo1.pdf foo2.pdf cat output new.pdf |
| 21:00.31 | paxcoder | enouf: I have an older one. |
| 21:00.38 | paxcoder | #radeon #radeon-hd |
| 21:01.05 | enouf | paxcoder: #radeon can tell you |
| 21:01.07 | paxcoder | #radeonhd |
| 21:01.17 | paxcoder | nope. still separate |
| 21:01.31 | enouf | see the pkg description |
| 21:01.37 | paxcoder | enouf: I actually asked them they didn't say much. |
| 21:01.44 | enouf | man radeon, man radeonhd |
| 21:02.24 | jelly-home | xorg (radeon) picks up 'hd code now and then I think |
| 21:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, pdfjoin |
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| 21:02.39 | jelly-home | selected bits thereof at least |
| 21:02.53 | paxcoder | jelly-home: it's older. but it's a good thing. radeonhd might have more devs now |
| 21:03.01 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? When I start my PC (running Debian Lenny), it stops at "Setting parameters of disc:Setting the system clock (none) Setting the system clock." The clock in BIOS was way off, so I set it to the right time and so far it hasn't lost or added time. Does this sound like it is a problem with the system battery, or is there something else that could cause this? |
| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | paxcoder: debian x people might know more |
| 21:03.41 | enouf | what's wrong with wiki.x.org? :-/ http://wiki.x.org/wiki/VideoDriverFAQ#head-3578e4bf7549ed4fdc8fd857a24d694b4131c860 |
| 21:03.50 | paxcoder | jelly-home: don't know them |
| 21:04.36 | jelly-home | paxcoder: you don't know us either |
| 21:04.50 | paxcoder | jelly-home: i know how to get to you :-) |
| 21:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, it's part of the pdfjam package |
| 21:05.03 | jelly-home | paxcoder: irc.d.o, #debian-x |
| 21:05.10 | enouf | paxcoder: "1. radeonhd - The Driver for AMD GPG r5xx/r6xx Chipsets The radeonhd driver, or xf86-video-radeonhd is an X.org video driver for R500 and newer ATI graphics devices." |
| 21:05.29 | enouf | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 21:05.44 | paxcoder | enouf: yeah, i saw that a sec ago. still dunno much |
| 21:05.48 | jelly-home | !xsf |
| 21:05.48 | dpkg | hmm... xsf is an acronym for the debian x strike force. the wiki can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 21:05.57 | enouf | paxcoder: hire someone competent? :-P |
| 21:06.45 | paxcoder | enouf: 0.o |
| 21:06.50 | enouf | but yeah, the buck stops at the XStrikeForce team, as far as latest info - see them, but some of those devs hang in #radeon, so |
| 21:06.56 | karsten | irssi |
| 21:07.11 | karsten | Um, but y'all already knew that;-) |
| 21:07.23 | enouf | !greet karsten |
| 21:07.23 | dpkg | Hi there, karsten |
| 21:07.35 | karsten | blames macosx and keyboard mapopings, particularly backspance. |
| 21:07.43 | enouf | eww... |
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| 21:09.16 | enouf | firebird619: so what's the issue? it doesn't bootup at all now? |
| 21:09.38 | paxcoder | karsten: we don't have backspance on our keyboards. |
| 21:09.56 | micols | yes thanks enouf it worked out magically, weird xsane wont scan one pdf when set to xx images :) |
| 21:10.08 | enouf | firebird619: your BIOS clock might've been way off for many reasons, one of which is a bad/no CMOS battery - but there are other possible reasons |
| 21:10.19 | micols | it makes pdf-00[1-..].pdf :) |
| 21:10.25 | enouf | micols: heh |
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| 21:11.42 | firebird619 | enouf: It does sometimes and doesn't others. The problem just came up today. When it does start, it goes through checking /home, /, etc. and says that the fschk has a time set in the future. Also, in the BIOS, the on-board sound was enabled, which I didn't do, I have an SB Live card that I use. |
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| 21:13.07 | enouf | firebird619: well, it seems someone loaded the "Setup Defaults" and saved and exited the BIOS, or something - once booted, do as root "touch /forcefsck" and reboot as usual - but 1st enable bootlogd |
| 21:13.08 | juanra | hi |
| 21:13.15 | enouf | !tell firebird619 -about bootlogd |
| 21:14.08 | jelly-home | heh, X barfed |
| 21:14.26 | enouf | firebird619: does your /etc/fstab (in fields 5 and 6) contain 0 0 for your '/' FS entry ? |
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| 21:15.34 | firebird619 | enouf: It does have a CMOS battery, I have never changed it thought and I have had the PC for 4 years, so it could easily be the battery. I haven't tried a different one yet, I don't have any spares around. I will try the touch /forcefsck and enable bootlogd and see what the log shows. I am the only one that has access to this PC, so I know that nobody changed the BIOS. I am not sure about the fstab, I will check right now. |
| 21:17.53 | enouf | firebird619: note, a failing PSU, or even just power spikes/surges could wreak havoc |
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| 21:19.12 | enouf | firebird619: generally, /etc/fstab should have 0 1 for '/' FS, so it's checked first, before all others, the others can/may have 2 or 0 instead - man fstab |
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| 21:19.46 | enouf | firebird619: the 5th field is irrelevant for this, i'm just showing it so you can easily recognize the pattern i mean |
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| 21:21.29 | enouf | firebird619: most stores (even pharmacies, chain stores, etc), or anywhere that sells batteries have those lithium batteries for CMOS, they're ~4$ each or so |
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| 21:22.31 | firebird619 | enouf: Fields 5 and 6 do contain 0 0 for / |
| 21:22.36 | enouf | firebird619: one other possibility, although very unlikely since you said noboady else has phyical access, is the jumper for the CMOS might have been moved, or knocked off? |
| 21:23.04 | enouf | firebird619: i would make that entry 0 1, then continue on with rebooting into a forced fsck |
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| 21:24.06 | firebird619 | enouf: I don't think the jumper would have been moved or knocked off, first, because nobody has access, second, I haven't moved the tower at all lately, which I know can sometimes knock things loose. |
| 21:25.02 | firebird619 | enouf: I am on a live CD right now, because the PC wasn't starting. Hopefully I can get it to start so I can try what you suggested, so if I edit fstab from the live CD, will that affect the permissions where I will have even more problems? |
| 21:25.24 | enouf | for the future, a) replace cmos battery, b) set the BIOS settings the way you like it (or the way it needs to be for your hardware) and c) check/monitor your Power leads, watch for brownouts, make sure nothing is tripping the breaker (or removing the fuse) that feeds your wall outlets |
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| 21:26.14 | enouf | firebird619: then maybe you're being invaded via Dust Bunnies :-p |
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| 21:26.54 | enouf | firebird619: no, it won't affect perms, but make sure you mount your / rw from livecd, then make sure you edit /mnt/point/etc/fstab |
| 21:27.39 | firebird619 | enouf: Oops, never mind the fstab thing, when I checked fstab, I followed the wrong line across. The / entry does have 0 1. As for the dust bunnies, wouldn't be the first time they have invaded, they just usually don't cause so many problems. :) |
| 21:27.52 | enouf | !remount rw |
| 21:27.52 | dpkg | hmm... remount rw is mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 21:28.16 | enouf | well, mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 21:29.16 | enouf | firebird619: make sure all other entries in /etc/fstab are either 0 0 or 0 2 |
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| 21:30.11 | firebird619 | enouf: /boot and /home are 0 2. / is 0 1. All the rest are 0 0 |
| 21:30.30 | enouf | firebird619: another way of achieving what touch forcefsck does is to do "shutdown -rF now" (but again, you need rw perms) |
| 21:31.07 | enouf | man shutdown |
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| 21:32.30 | firebird619 | enouf: Also, not that this is related to this time, bootup problem, I am sure it isn't, but my external burner acts up when I use it on my Linux PC, it spins up and down repeatedly, but on my Windows PC, the burner is fine. What could cause this? I ask because earlier today when this bootup and time problem began, I wanted to re-backup my files in case something more serious would happen, but couldn't because the burner won't work righ |
| 21:32.42 | enouf | firebird619: also, "/msg dpkg set the time" once you return, and are you using a debian kernel? lenny's 2.6.26 ? or you built your own? |
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| 21:35.03 | firebird619 | enouf: I use a debian kernel. Also, if the PC won't boot up right and sticks at that setting time message, is it far enough where I could switch to another console (Alt + F1, etc.) and do the touch forcefsck and enable boot log, or if that won't work, I can do it from the Live CD? |
| 21:35.04 | enouf | firebird619: hrm, is a disk in it? and when you say spins up and down, the LED goes nuts blinking too? you should power on the device/enclosure (wall outlet) then make the USB connection - try that - look at "dmesg | tail" and syslog after you plug it in - try using "eject /dev/name" |
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| 21:35.53 | enouf | firebird619: if you can mount rw, you can make all the necessary changes - remount ro, prior to shutting down livecd |
| 21:36.20 | enouf | firebird619: try booting into rescue/single |
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| 21:37.22 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes, I put a disk in to be able to burn, and the light goes on and off and you can hear it spin up, like it normally would when you put a disk in, but then it spins down again. When it spins up, GNOME shows that " You have inserted a blank DVD" message and then when the drive spins down, it takes that message a way and takes the Blank Disk icon off of the desktop. |
| 21:37.32 | enouf | login as root, (check /proc/mounts output to see if / is mounted rw, if not remount it rw) then do one of those two fsck options - that is, if you can get that far |
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| 21:37.43 | Gary | 3 |
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| 21:38.35 | Nwallins | what is the proper way to disable dnsmasq's DHCP server? |
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| 21:38.45 | enouf | firebird619: your PSU might be flakey/old/dying - try other blank media, and are you sure it's a DVD Drive, not just a CD-RW drive? |
| 21:38.51 | Nwallins | i have tried no-dhcp-interface=eth0, according to config files found on the net |
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| 21:39.04 | Nwallins | but my dnsmasq doesn't seem to like it |
| 21:39.26 | enouf | firebird619: also, try other non-blank media, Boot cds, ISO, music cds, audiocds, etc ... |
| 21:40.26 | enouf | Nwallins: dpkg -L dnsmasq ? see the docs? |
| 21:42.17 | firebird619 | enouf: I hope the PSU isn't going out, I just had one go out on me in one computer, another computer acted as thought the PSU went out, but turned out it is the motherboard, I hope my main computer doesn't go out too. I have tried other blank media, and yes, it is a DVD drive. It worked earlier on the live CD I am on right now, I backed up a few things, but now it works as far as not spinning up and down, but Brasero returned an error |
| 21:42.56 | Nwallins | enouf: y, checked em out. i'll take another look |
| 21:43.26 | enouf | firebird619: you should use CLI tools, like wodim / genisoimage / growisofs / isoinfo / read{cd,om} to check things like that |
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| 21:44.16 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, docs don't seem to cover |
| 21:44.17 | enouf | Nwallins: if no answers - try maybe #networking, or even ##linux - or #debian on OFTC.net |
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| 21:45.22 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes, I should, I just haven't taken the time to learn how to use them. I have used linux for years now, but still don't know much cli stuff, still learning. I do know however, that I love Linux and I am always learning something new, which is great. |
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| 21:46.11 | firebird619 | enouf: Until you just said it now, I had never heard of wodim. See, learned something new again. :) |
| 21:46.19 | enouf | firebird619: for example, wodim -atip -prcap dev=/dev/name |
| 21:46.37 | enouf | firebird619: it's Debian's fork of cdrecord ;-) |
| 21:46.41 | enouf | !wodim |
| 21:46.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 21:47.05 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, cdrecord I have heard of before, just hadn't used it. |
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| 21:47.49 | enouf | firebird619: growisofs (and dvd+rw-booktype dvd+rw-format dvd+rw-mediainfo) are in the dvd+rw-tools pkg |
| 21:48.09 | Rickster`_ | im runnin debian etch 64bit an when i ran torrent clients i kept gettin hostname not found in the status but wen the tracker is an ip it works any ideas how i could fix this |
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| 21:48.20 | freeman192038 | hi, someone know where i can find mod_slotlimit package? it's a project that i've found on sourceforge |
| 21:48.37 | enouf | Rickster`_: sounds like a DNS issue |
| 21:49.02 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. I will have to investigate them more and start using them. |
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| 21:49.28 | micols | are you using packet writing with cdrecord or just plain old scsi emul? |
| 21:49.43 | micols | it should reduce cpu considerably |
| 21:49.54 | micols | and mem test |
| 21:49.55 | enouf | micols: i think he has more of a system config, or also a hardware issue |
| 21:49.55 | Melio | what's this debain 5 linux pro magazine released in issue 94? (sept issue) |
| 21:49.56 | micols | mem etc |
| 21:50.05 | Melio | the topic shows 4.0 |
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| 21:50.10 | Melio | isnt debian 5 the latest? |
| 21:50.12 | micols | oh, it was just a question for those of you running cdrecord :) |
| 21:50.15 | Melio | or is this a preview release |
| 21:50.16 | enouf | !5.0 |
| 21:50.25 | enouf | hh, Lenny is 5 |
| 21:50.33 | Rickster`_ | enouf: how would i go about fixing this as everything was installed for me |
| 21:50.37 | enouf | !tell Melio -about releases |
| 21:50.55 | firebird619 | enouf: When I go to run that touch command, do I have to be in any certain directory? |
| 21:50.56 | enouf | Rickster`_: i don't know |
| 21:50.56 | micols | i think the latest i have on cd is debian 4r3 or so |
| 21:51.01 | paxcoder | For those interested here's an update on earlier subject: |
| 21:51.04 | micols | and i always fetch stable |
| 21:51.06 | paxcoder | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | methinks radeon vs radeonhd is : <radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, Second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found here: <http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature> |
| 21:51.11 | enouf | firebird619: you should be in your / dir |
| 21:51.40 | enouf | !factinfo radeon vs radeonhd |
| 21:51.40 | dpkg | radeon vs radeonhd -- created by paxcoder <n=paxcoder@78.134.138.33> 4m 29s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by paxcoder, 34s ago. |
| 21:51.49 | enouf | !congratulate paxcoder |
| 21:51.49 | dpkg | Good show paxcoder, you did it! |
| 21:52.09 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I will go try those couple things and see what happens. I will probably be back once I have done those things and see what the log says. Thank you for your help so far. |
| 21:52.16 | Melio | so lenny isnt released yet? |
| 21:52.24 | Melio | !lenny |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 21:52.54 | enouf | paxcoder: want to double check that url though |
| 21:52.55 | Melio | why is linux pro magazine releasing a preview release of lenny |
| 21:53.07 | paxcoder | enouf: works for me |
| 21:53.09 | enouf | Melio: promotional value? |
| 21:53.21 | enouf | RadeonFeature> * This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. |
| 21:53.54 | Melio | promotional? |
| 21:53.58 | Melio | it's a linux mag |
| 21:54.00 | Melio | heh |
| 21:54.09 | Melio | I didnt buy it for the free cd |
| 21:54.14 | Melio | I can download isos' just like anyone |
| 21:54.16 | enouf | dpkg: radeon vs radeonhd =~ s#<http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature>#http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature# |
| 21:54.16 | dpkg | enouf: that doesn't contain '<http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature>' |
| 21:54.24 | enouf | grah |
| 21:55.04 | enouf | dpkg: radeon vs radeonhd =~ s#http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature>#http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature# |
| 21:55.04 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature>', enouf |
| 21:55.19 | enouf | oh ffs - /me goes to play with dpkg in pm |
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| 21:56.28 | bitbuzter | hi all. Anyone know where can i read the networm manager applet messages? /var/log/... ? |
| 21:56.30 | enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 21:56.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, radeon vs radeonhd is <radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, Second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found here: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 21:57.06 | dacs | howdy |
| 21:58.00 | enouf | Melio: lenny has been around for quite some time - it's known as 'testing' |
| 21:58.08 | dacs | is there is a virtualbox for debian |
| 21:58.29 | enouf | dacs: sure |
| 21:58.38 | enouf | !virtualbox |
| 21:58.38 | dpkg | well, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:59.22 | dacs | !vbox-install etch |
| 21:59.23 | dpkg | Ask me about <backports.org>, then: "aptitude -t etch-backports install module-assistant virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose". |
| 21:59.42 | enouf | bitbuzter: not sure, but i bet if you "rgrep -l <keyword> /var/log/" you'll get some hits ;-) |
| 22:00.08 | bitbuzter | enouf, ok :) |
| 22:00.09 | enouf | !tell dacs -about msg the bot |
| 22:00.22 | enouf | dacs: just to inform you ;-) |
| 22:01.22 | HeXiLed | guys ... a question about sources.list and lenny : http://rafb.net/p/KerStT68.html |
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| 22:02.11 | pablo | hi, someone knows what is this proccess? /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager |
| 22:02.12 | enouf | HeXiLed: no, that;s incorrect - /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 22:02.31 | karsten | pablo: there's a manpage for that. |
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| 22:03.04 | pablo | karsten: for waht? |
| 22:03.24 | karsten | pablo: Every command on the system, per policy. |
| 22:03.29 | karsten | pablo: ssh-agent, specifically. |
| 22:03.29 | themill | pablo: ssh-agent |
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| 22:03.46 | enouf | pablo: yep, that's done via the DE usually - it's loaded from /etc/X11/Xsession.options and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent here, atleast |
| 22:04.16 | karsten | pablo: ssh-agent allows you to make remote connections via ssh w/o having to enter your RSA key password each time. |
| 22:04.21 | pablo | enouf: is it always loaded? |
| 22:04.30 | tictac | wonders why iceweasel and iceape immediately close upon launching |
| 22:04.35 | enouf | it's normal to have it as default |
| 22:04.43 | karsten | pablo: It's generally started duirng the X startup process. It generates two environment variables to allow programs (like, say, ssh) to find the agent socket. |
| 22:04.55 | karsten | pablo: It's part of the default X config in Debian, yes. |
| 22:05.04 | pablo | karsten: ok thanks |
| 22:05.45 | tictac | any ideas? fresh install of lenny. |
| 22:05.49 | pablo | karsten: it is for automatic authentification? |
| 22:05.49 | karsten | pablo: Because of the problem of distributing the environment variables (only children inherit) it's generaly started near the beginning of X. Usually ssh-agent invokes your actual window manager (which in turn starts other processes). |
| 22:05.49 | enouf | pablo: it's likely so your x-session-manager default choice can use it - if kde, that might be through kio-slaves, do "update-alternatives --list x-session-manager" |
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| 22:06.13 | karsten | pablo: There's a manpage. |
| 22:06.24 | karsten | pablo: Please read it so I don't have to read it to you. |
| 22:06.34 | enouf | gives way to karsten 's knowledge .. |
| 22:06.43 | pablo | karsten: here ssh-agent is a child of my wm |
| 22:06.48 | karsten | pablo: man ssh-agent ssh-add. Also ssh and the --keygen option. |
| 22:07.03 | enouf | heh, 'yield' was the silly word i was looking for .. |
| 22:07.27 | karsten | pablo: Try 'ps -ejH' |
| 22:07.51 | enouf | tictac: perhaps corrupt or missing dotfiles/dirs in your /home/user? |
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| 22:08.01 | enouf | !tell tictac -about dotfiles |
| 22:08.25 | pablo | karsten: ssh-agent is a child of my window manager |
| 22:08.31 | karsten | pablo: .. or pstree -p. The key is that any given subprocess of your desktop should have the variables SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK set. |
| 22:08.47 | enouf | tictac: also, you might want to create a new system user and login through them and try that way .. i don't use either of those things - maybe also, strace it from CLI |
| 22:08.57 | karsten | pablo: shrug. Pastebin output if you like. |
| 22:09.22 | enouf | pablo: it should show in 'printenv' |
| 22:09.43 | enouf | $ printenv | grep SSH |
| 22:10.15 | pablo | karsten: http://pastebin.com/m34845ab4 |
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| 22:10.27 | karsten | pablo: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/network/ssh.jspx |
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| 22:11.22 | pablo | karsten: no matter which window manager i use ssh-agent will be there? |
| 22:11.31 | karsten | pablo: OK. Check under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ to see where ssh-agent is started. Should be in 90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 22:11.43 | enouf | heh, echo :-) |
| 22:11.57 | karsten | pablo: If you're doing an X display manager (gdm, wdm, kdm, xdm) startup, yes. |
| 22:12.18 | enouf | !dm |
| 22:12.18 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
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| 22:12.40 | pablo | karsten: 22:45 90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 22:12.55 | karsten | pablo: There's some hacks you can do, say, if you wan tto use ssh-agent on a system that doesn't invoke processes like X. Eg: Mac OS X or Windows using Cygwin. You basically need to keep tabs of whether or not you've started ssh-agent, find its socket file, and test if it works. Usually as part of your shell initialization. |
| 22:13.20 | karsten | pablo: Yeah. You can check package ownership of those files, it's probably some X commmon package... |
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| 22:13.45 | karsten | pablo: ... or they're conffiles, and I'm hazy on how to search for who creates those. |
| 22:14.03 | enouf | dlocate ftw, or dpkg -S :-) |
| 22:14.24 | enouf | x11-common: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 22:14.50 | firebird619 | enouf: I did the touch forcefsck and enabled the boot log, but now it won't start up right again. It gets stuck at the same thing, so the boot log says "Nothing has been logged yet." I will try again a little later and see if I can get it to start. I don't want to try to many times because when it gets stuck, I can't restart it in any way, Ctrl + Alt + Del doesn't even do anything and so I have to use the power button to shut it off. I |
| 22:15.17 | pablo | karsten: whats that for? |
| 22:15.45 | enouf | firebird619: i realize that - ok .. open the case, clean it out - reseat all your DIMMs and PCI cards, try to boot and run memtest86+ |
| 22:15.54 | pablo | karsten: ssh-agent is present because of xdm? why is it a child of mt wm then? |
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| 22:16.12 | georg | I have a box running Debian with LVM from an encrypted partition. I want to set up a separate RAID1 with LVM in luks-formatted /dev/md0. |
| 22:16.38 | georg | The system comes up fine, but is there a place to plug the RAID or do I have to put my own initscripts? |
| 22:16.44 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I will give that a try and see what happens. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:16.52 | karsten | x11-common: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 22:16.54 | enouf | firebird619: the other thing is the PSU ... if you have other internal drives you can disconnect, without affecting the boot process, do so - also, make sure no floppies/CDs are in any of the drives :-P |
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| 22:17.03 | enouf | welcome |
| 22:17.11 | karsten | pablo: read the fucking links already. |
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| 22:17.21 | enouf | pablo: c'mon man .. |
| 22:17.28 | georg | I tried crypttab, but I think the mdadm hasn't setup up the RAID in time |
| 22:17.46 | enouf | georg: during installation? |
| 22:17.50 | georg | also I'd need to activate the LVM (on the RAID) anyway manually? |
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| 22:18.15 | dacs | enouf: how do i start vbox please |
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| 22:18.38 | georg | enouf, yes, the system setup was during installation; for the RAID the setup was done afterwards |
| 22:18.41 | dacs | i mean can i start it from ssh |
| 22:18.53 | pablo | karsten: ok thx |
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| 22:19.52 | tictac | enouf: dot files aren't the issue. |
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| 22:20.22 | dacs | Start VirtualBox |
| 22:20.33 | dacs | i get -bash: Start: command not found |
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| 22:20.52 | enouf | tictac: ok then - as i said, i never used either of those, so strace it maybe as i said |
| 22:21.38 | enouf | dacs: dpkg -L <package> and read the /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> files and see the relevant man pages |
| 22:21.41 | georg | enouf: could I just plug a script that calls cryptsetup and vgscan/change after /etc/rc2.d/S25mdadm or is that "bad behaviour" (i.e. not the Debian Way)? |
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| 22:22.07 | tictac | blah. it should work out of the box. it's not like im updating it or anything. |
| 22:22.30 | enouf | georg: i'm not at all clear about the right way to do that - apologies - you'll have to find someone else who can answer you |
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| 22:23.45 | dacs | ok question, how can i pull my home gnome at work Exceed via ssh |
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| 22:23.54 | dryrot | dacs: there's a channel for vbox #vbox . you can ask me all about vbox in a private message though |
| 22:24.16 | dacs | dryrot: thanks i will do |
| 22:24.25 | enouf | dacs: the error command not found usually implies your $PATH isn't correct, or the binary is in a system /sbin location |
| 22:24.45 | Rickster`_ | i found out i need to install lib32nss-mdns but the thing is there is only lenny an sid downloads is there a way i could install it into etch? |
| 22:24.57 | dacs | enouf: yeah i thought so too thank you |
| 22:24.59 | dryrot | also starting vbox in a terminal is i think VBoxHeadless -v vmname |
| 22:25.51 | enouf | !tell Rickster`_ -about backports.org |
| 22:26.07 | dacs | dryrot: can i open my desktop (GNOME) from home at my work pc using ssh |
| 22:26.58 | dryrot | dacs: you could run vncserver on your home machine. you could set up a ssh tunnel between your home machine and your work pc. you could run vncviewer on your work pc to access the VNC session on your home machine. |
| 22:28.02 | dacs | dryrot: i don't like vnc so i will try and google one how to setup tunnel via ssh |
| 22:28.07 | dacs | thanks for the tip |
| 22:28.51 | dryrot | ssh does not let you magically control the desktop of your home machine you know |
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| 22:29.53 | dacs | dryrot: what is the best route to take please |
| 22:29.55 | enouf | dacs: maybe /msg dpkg sshx |
| 22:30.37 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.47 | enouf | dacs: no leading spaces ;-) |
| 22:31.03 | dacs | i know just being lazy i swear |
| 22:32.05 | dryrot | dacs: what are you trying to control on your home machine ? |
| 22:32.22 | dacs | dryrot: my desktop |
| 22:32.29 | enouf | dacs: are any of the PCs involved using windows? |
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| 22:32.52 | dacs | @work i use xp |
| 22:32.56 | dryrot | dacs: run vncserver on your desktop . run vncviewer on your work pc. |
| 22:33.01 | enouf | !x-not-vnc |
| 22:33.01 | dpkg | well, x-not-vnc is instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one http://www.microimages.com/mix/mix-faq.htm) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx> to learn how), or ; <Cygwin> also provides a free (speech) X server for windows. |
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| 22:33.12 | karsten | dacs: nomachine/nx is another option. |
| 22:33.31 | dryrot | i blew 3 hours once configuring no machine, that was not exciting |
| 22:33.33 | enouf | not to disagree with dryrot - just an alternate solution perhaps |
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| 22:33.48 | karsten | dryrot: Heh. |
| 22:33.49 | enouf | heh |
| 22:33.52 | eeg3 | nomachine is ridiculously easy to install if you just read the documentation |
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| 22:34.05 | dryrot | i guess i had the wrong docs. or i can't read. it was horrible |
| 22:34.17 | eeg3 | perhaps theyve updated it since then |
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| 22:35.16 | adama_ | what does "dpkg -a" do, reconfigure every package?? |
| 22:36.04 | bitbuzter | anyone can recomend me an wifi tool to use instead network-manager? |
| 22:36.07 | eeg3 | reconfigure an unpacked package. |
| 22:36.20 | tictac | bitbuzter: iwconfig :) |
| 22:36.32 | dryrot | bitbuzter: wicd |
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| 22:36.44 | jak-o | hi to all |
| 22:36.50 | tictac | hi to jak-o |
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| 22:36.53 | jak-o | how to autologin? |
| 22:37.16 | adama_ | Settings - login manager or somethink like that |
| 22:37.29 | jak-o | i installed only xorg, nvidia drivers and xbmc (a media center) so i don't have any DE |
| 22:37.48 | bitbuzter | tictac, dryrot thanks |
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| 22:39.20 | dacs | i already setup sshd |
| 22:39.46 | dacs | and want to use exceed at work to view home desktop |
| 22:40.50 | enouf | paxcoder: heh, either url works - http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature or http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature - i was curious if/why they were different wikis |
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| 22:41.06 | jak-o | anybody? |
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| 22:41.34 | paxcoder | enouf: a mirror heh |
| 22:41.44 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 22:42.21 | Rickster`_ | enouf etchbackports doesnt have it either lenny has a testing version and sid has a unstable version of lib32nss-mdns any other ideas |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | !tell Rickster`_ about ssb |
| 22:43.10 | adama_ | jak-o: this might help: http://www.enricozini.org/2008/tips/lightweight-autologin.html |
| 22:43.18 | themill | dacs: exceed has no way of viewing a remote desktop; it's for running individual applications remotely. To view a remote desktop you need something like xrdp or vnc (and exceed will not be involved) |
| 22:43.28 | enouf | jak-o: if also no DM, use a ~/.xinitrc file, if using a DM, use either a ~/.xsession or check into your DMs config options |
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| 22:43.42 | mxuser | buenas noches |
| 22:43.52 | jak-o | enouf: i don't have any DM |
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| 22:44.07 | enouf | Rickster`_: does that pkg require a new libc6 ? |
| 22:44.29 | enouf | !depends lib32nss-mdns testing |
| 22:44.54 | enouf | !tell jak-o about xinitrc |
| 22:44.58 | themill | enouf: I think dpkg is i386 only |
| 22:45.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.29 | themill | judd: depends lib32nss-mdns --arch amd64 --release lenny |
| 22:45.29 | judd | themill: lib32nss-mdns -- Depends: libc6-i386 (>= 2.6-1), base-files (>= 3.1.10), perl, avahi-daemon (>= 0.6.16-1) |
| 22:45.30 | enouf | themill: oh? .. hrm |
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| 22:46.09 | enouf | i missed the whole amd64 arch info ... heh - not that i knew dpkg would only do i386 .. heh |
| 22:46.30 | themill | enouf: yeah, aptitude has amd64 and ravenbird has ppc, I think. |
| 22:46.46 | themill | enouf: and judd does all of them ftw :) stew++ |
| 22:46.51 | enouf | wait, etch's version is lower than 2.6.1 no? and lenny's is 2.7.x? no? |
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| 22:47.01 | enouf | themill: indeed ... |
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| 22:47.15 | enouf | !stew++ |
| 22:47.23 | themill | :) |
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| 22:48.33 | abrotman | Rickster`_: don't msg me |
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| 22:49.06 | Rickster`_ | do u mean add this to my sources deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:49.07 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.25 | enouf | so you'd need a newer libc6, afaict |
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| 22:49.33 | glontu | hello ... one quick question ... |
| 22:49.49 | themill | Rickster`_: yes, except use a better mirror than that. /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:49.49 | glontu | i keep adding nameservers to my resolv.conf file but they keep disappearing |
| 22:49.58 | themill | dpkg: tell glontu about fixresolvconf |
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| 22:50.41 | enouf | themill: wouldn't he need to edit some debian/rules or something in order to try and build against an older libc6? |
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| 22:51.47 | enouf | Rickster`_: also, why do you think you need a Lenny/sid version of that pkg? |
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| 22:52.24 | themill | enouf: debian/control just has Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} and it was compiled with libc6=2.6.1 but should be backport-able. |
| 22:52.48 | themill | enouf: it's lenny/sid only for amd64 |
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| 22:52.55 | enouf | themill: aye - well he need to know about it, or it will error out, no? |
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| 22:53.24 | enouf | needs* |
| 22:53.39 | Zaerath | I have a quick question... If you apt-get remove a program and then later delete its configuration files, how do you reinstall it and get the configuration files to re-appear? They won't come back even after another install. |
| 22:53.58 | Rickster`_ | abrotman recommended ssb which im tryin now |
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| 22:54.10 | enouf | themill: i mean, this is where ssb turns from 'simple' into 'not so simple' ;-) |
| 22:54.17 | JPT | Zaerath: try to install it, then remove it with --purge and reinstall it again |
| 22:54.19 | JPT | it should work |
| 22:54.24 | EmleyMoor | Zaerath: You should remove config using the package system. |
| 22:54.25 | themill | enouf: I think it will be fine. Everything it needs to compile is in etch, providing the maintainer is correct in stating the depends ;) |
| 22:54.28 | enouf | Rickster`_: ok, we' |
| 22:54.34 | Zaerath | EmleyMoor: Well, too late now. |
| 22:54.40 | enouf | Rickster`_: ok, we'll see soon enough then |
| 22:54.44 | EmleyMoor | JPT's advice should work |
| 22:54.47 | Tramp | !confmiss |
| 22:54.47 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 22:54.49 | themill | enouf: but yes, ssb ==>nsssb quite easily :) |
| 22:54.52 | Rickster`_ | yup |
| 22:55.01 | enouf | themill: perfect |
| 22:55.08 | Zaerath | Thanks! |
| 22:55.15 | EmleyMoor | Al, confmiss :-) |
| 22:55.16 | JPT | i did not know that :) |
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| 22:55.30 | EmleyMoor | Ah, even... Neither did I |
| 22:55.31 | jim__ | hey debain people |
| 22:56.08 | themill | enouf: I'd normally quickly check it myself for such a small package (at least compiling it), but I don't have an amd64 etch box around to do so and since this is arch-specific... |
| 22:56.18 | enouf | appends an 'a' and a '!' onto EmleyMoor 's 'Ah' |
| 22:56.23 | jim__ | what is a simple way to get a package that is in testing? |
| 22:56.36 | enouf | themill: righto |
| 22:56.46 | jim__ | I can't seem to make /etc/apt/preferences do it |
| 22:56.52 | themill | dpkg: tell jim__ about ssb |
| 22:56.57 | themill | dpkg: tell jim__ about backports.org |
| 22:57.04 | enouf | themill: erm, for him ... yep ;-) |
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| 22:57.16 | themill | jim__: one of those two methods... *don't* try mixing testing and stable. |
| 22:57.34 | enouf | sid is better? :-P |
| 22:57.38 | Zaerath | None of those methods work; my config files still are not back. |
| 22:57.49 | JPT | strange... |
| 22:57.54 | enouf | s/sid/sid/unstable |
| 22:57.58 | themill | Zaerath: what config file? |
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| 22:58.11 | Zaerath | themill: Postfix and Dovecot-Imapd |
| 22:58.39 | n3kl | Zaerath: just purge it and reinstall, should be enough to get it back |
| 22:58.48 | Zaerath | n3kl: I did that, and my configs did not come back. |
| 22:58.51 | Zaerath | I managed to figure it out. |
| 22:58.58 | enouf | ... |
| 22:58.59 | Zaerath | Using --confMiss through dpkg worked. |
| 22:59.03 | bremby | hi, can I somehow change the setting of basic installation? or do I REALLY need all the packages? couldn't I just strip down the size of the basic installation? |
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| 22:59.23 | jim__ | wouldn't I want the packages I install from sid to be updated if there is a security issue? |
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| 23:00.10 | themill | jim__: when you go outside debian's release system, you've got to take care of that yourself. |
| 23:00.12 | enouf | !unstable security |
| 23:00.12 | dpkg | [unstable security] partial and unreliable, or http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 23:00.47 | jim__ | but wouldn't I just want packages from testing? |
| 23:00.57 | jim__ | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/git-core.html |
| 23:01.08 | jim__ | I need git 1.5 otherwise it's a production server |
| 23:01.12 | enouf | jim__: your best bet is to see if backports.org has it |
| 23:01.15 | themill | jim__: packages from testing are usually not installable in stable. |
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| 23:01.32 | themill | judd: versions git-core |
| 23:01.33 | judd | themill: git-core: 1:1.4.4.4-2 (etch) 1:1.4.4.4-2.1+etch1 (etch-security) 1:1.5.6.3-1+lenny2 (lenny-security) 1:1.5.6.5-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1:1.5.6.5-1 (lenny) 1:1.5.6.5-1 (sid) 1:1.6.0.2-1 (experimental) |
| 23:01.40 | jim__ | oh ok, sorry I'm coming from a gentoo background |
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| 23:02.20 | jim__ | ok judd backports has 1.5 |
| 23:02.24 | Oko2 | Hi everyone:-) |
| 23:02.29 | themill | jim__: if all you want is git-core, read what dpkg said about bpo |
| 23:02.36 | enouf | silently wishes those epoch/era numbers would be swapped for letters or something |
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| 23:05.03 | jim__ | oh another quick question, where do I find the keys/install the keys for my sources? |
| 23:06.07 | jim__ | oh I see nevermind :D |
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| 23:06.27 | enouf | jim__: that should be done already - and bpo tells you how for itseld |
| 23:06.34 | enouf | itself |
| 23:06.50 | jim__ | yeah I saw it lower on the instructions page |
| 23:07.20 | jim__ | I came across it last night when I was getting rid of our hosts source mirrors |
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| 23:09.15 | jak-o | how to autostart startx?? |
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| 23:09.41 | jak-o | now i have an autologin, but i have to start X |
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| 23:10.19 | FunctorSalad | jak-o: you might want to install a display manager (e.g. kdm) (unless you're deliberately avoiding that) |
| 23:10.46 | jak-o | sorry i forget to say that i don't use a DM |
| 23:11.31 | Rickster`_ | ok enouf that didnt work did u have an idea? |
| 23:11.35 | FunctorSalad | hmm, putting startx in /etc/rc.local might work, but I don't know if it's a good idea |
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| 23:13.44 | jim__ | jak-o: ^^ |
| 23:13.57 | enouf | Rickster`_: you'd have to post entire output + errors to pastebin |
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| 23:14.29 | Oilfurnace1 | Whats better JFS or Ext3?> |
| 23:14.30 | jak-o | jim__: i added it at the end of bashrc, but it doesn't work |
| 23:15.02 | jim__ | startx? but other things are working in your bashrc? |
| 23:15.33 | jak-o | jim__: there are lot of things :D |
| 23:17.04 | Rickster`_ | i just closed the terminal on remote desktop is there a way i could get the log for u |
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| 23:17.38 | pingouin | sorry for the *little* of topic : which forum apps one's recommand ? (phpBB, punBB, phorum... ?) |
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| 23:17.59 | ponyofdeath | hi, im trying to do an automated pxe debian install just wondering how to set the network options before i try to get the preseed/url? |
| 23:18.22 | enouf | Rickster`_: just do what you did earlier, and regenerate it ;-) |
| 23:19.02 | Rickster`_ | ok |
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| 23:20.28 | jak-o | nothing? |
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| 23:21.10 | micols | how do i export tmpfs over NFS without patching it, its nfsv3? |
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| 23:23.19 | junmin | hello all. i removed /etc/apache2/ directory, but "apt-get --reinstall install apache2" doesn't get it back. please help |
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| 23:23.31 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | opa |
| 23:23.35 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ops |
| 23:23.36 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hi |
| 23:23.42 | abrotman | OPA! |
| 23:23.46 | Kovensky | Kamus_H_Zwisch: olá |
| 23:23.50 | Kovensky | kanzure: and hi :) |
| 23:23.52 | Kovensky | lol |
| 23:23.53 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | can you guys please tell me where jdk is installed in lenny? |
| 23:23.54 | Kovensky | Kamus_H_Zwisch: and hi :P |
| 23:23.59 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Kovensky: abrotman br? |
| 23:24.08 | Kovensky | Kamus_H_Zwisch: nope; I am |
| 23:24.17 | Kovensky | dpkg-query -L sun-java6-jdk |
| 23:24.22 | abrotman | Kamus_H_Zwisch: where? which one did you install? |
| 23:24.23 | Kovensky | or whatever it is the jdk you installed |
| 23:24.25 | junmin | junmin@trabajo ~ $ JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
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| 23:25.00 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.22 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | if yes, I hate bugs :P |
| 23:25.24 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ty |
| 23:25.58 | Kovensky | Kamus_H_Zwisch: heh |
| 23:26.03 | Kovensky | de nada |
| 23:26.35 | enouf | junmin: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:27.29 | enouf | Kamus_H_Zwisch: man dpkg |
| 23:27.44 | jim__ | pingouin: phpbb |
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| 23:28.35 | juc0 | If I'm running etch, is it safe to upgrade individual packages to the lenny version? |
| 23:28.54 | Tramp | juc0: no |
| 23:28.57 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | no |
| 23:29.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | upgrade the whole system or you cang et cool broken pkgs |
| 23:29.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :) |
| 23:29.12 | enouf | juc0: see /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:29.16 | Rickster`_ | this is as much as i could get cos i lost some due to too much data an the terminal cant hold it all http://pastebin.com/M421df9b3 |
| 23:29.42 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.52 | Rickster`_ | http://pastebin.com/m421df9b3 |
| 23:30.11 | Rickster`_ | put a capital m where it was lower case |
| 23:30.34 | enouf | 14. dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gcc-multilib 15. dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 23:30.49 | Kovensky | enouf: then install gcc-multilib |
| 23:30.54 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :) |
| 23:31.50 | enouf | Rickster`_: find the debian/control file and change the libc6 entry to match your etch version - and install build-essential |
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| 23:33.34 | vampirefrog | hi guys. how can I convert from ubuntu to debian? |
| 23:33.38 | vampirefrog | (i want lenny) |
| 23:33.49 | Rickster`_ | how do i do that? |
| 23:34.04 | vampirefrog | do what? |
| 23:34.09 | zinx | vampirefrog: reinstall |
| 23:34.17 | vampirefrog | hmm |
| 23:34.27 | enouf | Kovensky: tell Rickster`_ |
| 23:34.34 | junmin | enouf: no, it doesnt work; it created the apache2 directory, but without configuration files |
| 23:34.37 | junmin | :( |
| 23:34.49 | enouf | junmin: yes it does work, but ok |
| 23:34.52 | vampirefrog | i was thinking, since they use the same packaging system and stuff... isn't it possible to simply edit some apt files then do dist-upgrade or smth? |
| 23:34.59 | zinx | vampirefrog: no. |
| 23:35.02 | vampirefrog | why not |
| 23:35.31 | Rickster`_ | no pms got sent to me |
| 23:35.33 | zinx | vampirefrog: because the packages are not compatible |
| 23:35.46 | vampirefrog | hum but I'm replacing all of them :P |
| 23:35.50 | junmin | enouf: but ok? |
| 23:36.06 | enouf | Rickster`_: i don't think anybody tried sending you one |
| 23:36.08 | zinx | vampirefrog: you have your answer. i'm not going to go on about this for hours with you :/ |
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| 23:36.18 | vampirefrog | zinx: k. thanks |
| 23:36.21 | enouf | Rickster`_: [19:30:21] <enouf> 14. dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gcc-multilib 15. dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 23:36.21 | enouf | [19:30:35] <Kovensky> enouf: then install gcc-multilib |
| 23:36.32 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | bye bye |
| 23:36.36 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | thanks again :D |
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| 23:36.44 | juc0 | Is this safe to do if I am on etch? http://rafb.net/p/7FZ7MQ24.html |
| 23:36.48 | teratorn | what is the name of the date/time format used in debian changelogs? |
| 23:37.37 | bremby | enouf: thanx for support, I'll try to use your help :) |
| 23:37.41 | enouf | junmin: you could try various "... --purge remove ... " commands and then try again, or try using --confmiss directly using dpkg |
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| 23:37.49 | zinx | teratorn: rfc2822 |
| 23:38.04 | enouf | bremby: ;-) |
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| 23:44.20 | pingouin | jim__: thanks, i was just reading about it, looks good ;) |
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| 23:47.47 | linux2 | anyone know why after I installed cups it doesn't start. It fails with this error: Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 1! |
| 23:47.47 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.57 | linux2 | I cannot seem to figure out why it is throwing this error |
| 23:48.14 | linux2 | I did notice that /etc/default/cups does not exist. any idea how I recreate that file? |
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| 23:49.01 | bambooforest | hi its there a graphical backup tool?, something like amanda, but easier to use |
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| 23:51.46 | abrotman | bacula has a gui |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | wonders why you need a GUI .. but whatever |
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| 23:53.16 | tower | ouhhhh ! guys! just take a look at this.... http://fireforge.net/ |
| 23:54.55 | abrotman | tower: wrong channel ? |
| 23:55.25 | Kovensky | wants 2.6.27 |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | so compile it |
| 23:55.40 | Wyzard | wants a finished ext4 |
| 23:55.48 | prickpocket | wants a cookie |
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| 23:56.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: define finished :) |
| 23:57.06 | Wyzard | stable and ready for general use |
| 23:57.24 | abrotman | be a beta tester! |
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| 23:58.19 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, i myself would love too, but, i have no clue how to get myself out of trouble yet |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 23:59.54 | phish | Anyone know of any repos with the lastest gnome releases? |
