| 00:00.19 | Wyzard | phish: any sid mirror has the latest that's available in Debian |
| 00:00.46 | phish | I want to try out 2.24 |
| 00:00.55 | phish | But i can't find the precompiled packages anywhere >_> |
| 00:01.35 | linux2 | anyone know how I can fully reconfigure all of the cups packages? |
| 00:01.45 | Wyzard | Debian packages for new GNOME releases don't appear all-at-once the day after the release at gnome.org |
| 00:01.49 | linux2 | so I can recreate /etc/cups and /etc/default/cups |
| 00:01.54 | Wyzard | it takes time to do the packaging and integration work |
| 00:01.56 | linux2 | same with the hplip packages |
| 00:02.13 | Wyzard | They generally tend to trickle into sid over a period of weeks to months, as the individual components are packaged |
| 00:02.43 | phish | Well, what's really bothering me is that every time i click on a folder it makes a new window. |
| 00:02.50 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell linux2 -about confmiss |
| 00:03.02 | phish | I want to turn it off, i never had that problem in ubuntu with gnome >_> :( |
| 00:03.11 | Wyzard | phish: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.24-status.html |
| 00:03.26 | dmoerner | phish: they won't get in until post-lenny, although empathy is in experimental right now |
| 00:03.43 | dmoerner | phish: just go to preferences and turn off "open each folder in a new window" |
| 00:03.56 | prickpocket | lol |
| 00:04.02 | Wyzard | phish: Open any folder window, choose Edit->preferences from the menu, and turn on "always open in browser windows" |
| 00:04.02 | linux2 | dmoerner, thanks |
| 00:04.43 | Wyzard | phish: That option is off by default in upstream GNOME, but Ubuntu turns it on, I think |
| 00:04.50 | Wyzard | phish: Debian leaves upstream's default alone |
| 00:05.12 | phish | Wyzard: thanks for the info ^_^ |
| 00:05.51 | phish | Also, How can i install "Mozilla Firefox" in debian? ( other than compiling from source )? |
| 00:06.17 | Wyzard | phish: The default behavior with separate windows for each folder is called "spatial mode", btw, in case you see that mentioned online |
| 00:06.29 | phish | Oh ok. |
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| 00:06.42 | phish | That's what our school uses on windows. Drives me nuts. |
| 00:06.56 | Wyzard | It's a little different from the way Windows does it |
| 00:07.15 | phish | Wyzard: Actually, you can set windows to do it the exact same :> |
| 00:07.22 | phish | And i hate it so much D: |
| 00:07.37 | Wyzard | The reason it's "spatial" is that each folder window remembers its position, so it always appears in the same place... the idea was that you mentally associate a particular folder with a particular region of your screen |
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| 00:07.46 | dmoerner | phish: use iceweasel. if you need the official firefox just download the precompiled tarball and use it from a specific directory |
| 00:07.57 | Wyzard | Windows Explorer can open folders in new windows, but it doesn't memorize their positions like that |
| 00:08.03 | phish | Oh i see.:D |
| 00:08.13 | phish | dmoerner: Alright. |
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| 00:08.45 | Wyzard | It was touted as a big feature when it was introduced a few versions back, but it's unwieldy if you routinely work with more than a handful of folders |
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| 00:10.31 | georg | enouf: the problem was basically that I forgot to specify luks in the 4th column in crypttab :-) Now everything works automagically |
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| 00:11.21 | arrenle1 | Hey, all. I am compiling my own kernel (need hibernate support) and I am wondering if there's a way to avoid make-kpkg building the whole thing from scratch... I compiled it all already, but then noticed I forgot one module. |
| 00:11.45 | Wyzard | Doesn't the default kernel support hibernate? |
| 00:12.04 | Wyzard | To answer your question, though, not that I know of |
| 00:12.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:12.12 | enouf | georg: aha! ;-) |
| 00:12.33 | arrenle1 | Wyzard: It does, but I'm on a toshiba with a borked ACPI, and they added a workaround that works for my model as of .25 |
| 00:12.38 | miksuh | Wyzard: yes it does |
| 00:13.07 | Wyzard | arrenle1: ah, so it's not that you need a custom configuration; you just need a newer kernel |
| 00:13.16 | arrenle1 | Yes, exactly. |
| 00:13.17 | Wyzard | arrenle1: check backports.org, or install a packaged kernel from lenny |
| 00:13.29 | enouf | arrenle1: there's a way, i just forget exactly how - maybe it only applies to out of tree modules, i forget |
| 00:13.33 | Wyzard | no need to compile manually |
| 00:13.44 | joneal | Is there a Microsoft Project like program for Debian that will open project files from Microsoft Project? |
| 00:13.57 | phish | Microsoft Project? |
| 00:14.01 | phish | googles |
| 00:14.19 | simonrvn | tried using a pager? |
| 00:14.20 | Wyzard | It's a project-management tool for making things like gantt charts |
| 00:14.24 | arrenle1 | Wyzard: Oh, lenny has .26... awesome. I will try using that, then. Thank you! |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | joneal: not sure if planner can open MS Project files or not |
| 00:14.35 | Wyzard | I've seen similar tools for Linux, but dunno if they can open Project files |
| 00:14.37 | abrotman | arrenle1: which version of debian are you on ? |
| 00:14.47 | miksuh | joneal: Planner |
| 00:14.56 | joneal | I saw something called openproj but I don't know if that would work or not |
| 00:14.58 | miksuh | but I don't think it can open ms project files |
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| 00:15.40 | bambooforest | http://pastebin.com/m73c4fc19 im getting this errors using rsync some help plz |
| 00:15.41 | bambooforest | http://pastebin.com/m73c4fc19 |
| 00:15.46 | arrenle1 | abrotman: My laptop is running Ubuntu actually, but I was compiling the kernel on my desktop which runs Lenny, so I asked here. |
| 00:15.55 | abrotman | the one in lenny can't |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong |
| 00:16.15 | arrenle1 | The one in lenny can't what? |
| 00:16.42 | abrotman | not you .. planner |
| 00:17.13 | miksuh | joneal: Actually Planner CAN open MS project Xml-files |
| 00:17.17 | miksuh | I just checked that |
| 00:17.50 | joneal | Nice. Thanks Miksuh |
| 00:18.18 | Wyzard | arrenle1: If it's for an Ubuntu system, 8.10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month; I'd just wait for that, rather than custom-building or installing kernel packages from Debian |
| 00:18.28 | Wyzard | arrenle1: but #ubuntu is the place to ask about Ubuntu stuff, not here |
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| 00:19.36 | arrenle1 | Wyzard: I'm not afraid of compiling kernels, and I want the feature sooner rather than later. :) The compilation was on Debian, the make-kpkg version was debian, and the question had nothing to do with what I wanted to use the kernel for, so I asked here. |
| 00:19.56 | Wyzard | I know |
| 00:20.02 | miksuh | joneal: there select File->Import->SM project XMl.. from Planner menu |
| 00:20.15 | miksuh | joneal: there select File->Import->MS project XMl.. from Planner menu |
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| 00:20.47 | joneal | Ok I'll check that out |
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| 00:22.04 | Doctor_Nick | http://download1.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf |
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| 00:32.32 | EagleSn | hi, i have a small problem with Debian lenny + GNOME |
| 00:34.00 | EagleSn | i does not have iceweasel installed, i have downloaded firefox from mozilla website, now i would like to add an application launcher to Gnome panel, I select "Firefox" as name, "firefox" as command, but i caanot set an icon for the pauncher |
| 00:34.25 | EagleSn | in #gnome someone think that this could be a Debian bug |
| 00:34.53 | EagleSn | launcher appears to see only .svg files to use as icon |
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| 00:35.39 | Asymmetry | Yay. Back to Debian. |
| 00:35.54 | EagleSn | i have some .xpm and .png icons for Firefox and i cannot select them to use in launcher |
| 00:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, haha... funny conversation you guys had with this Chrom guys about how not to remove a million files :) |
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| 00:37.06 | Raekism | !wireless |
| 00:37.06 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 00:37.29 | Raekism | !Ralink |
| 00:37.30 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>. |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | Raekism: msg the bot |
| 00:37.35 | EagleSn | anybody would like to check if they are experimenting also this problem?? |
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| 00:37.41 | Raekism | sorry |
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| 00:44.21 | blast_hardcheese | !wireless |
| 00:44.22 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 00:45.29 | abrotman | !tell blast_hardcheese about msg the bot |
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| 00:50.16 | phish | For some reason gedit doesn't want to open when run from root. Any idea why this would happen? I get a gnome-session error in the terminal. |
| 00:50.42 | abrotman | you're not supposed to run stuff as root |
| 00:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | EagleSn, I actually kinda fail to see the tragedy in this.... if you don't want to find the bug, just make (take) an svg :) |
| 00:51.19 | Asymmetry | phish, (gk)sudo. |
| 00:51.33 | EagleSn | gkasu gedit |
| 00:51.39 | EagleSn | gksu gedit |
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| 00:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | EagleSn, if it's really a Debian thing - did you check the BTS yet? |
| 00:52.31 | EagleSn | CutMeOwnThroat i have checked |
| 00:52.55 | EagleSn | how can i create an svg icon? i tried with gimp |
| 00:53.04 | zinx | inkscape |
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| 00:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, inkscape |
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| 00:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can even embed or trace(!) a pixel image in it |
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| 00:55.25 | EagleSn | i also have a similar problem when creating a laucnher on the desktop |
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| 00:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | or take any svg, then edit the laucher file and change the filename |
| 00:56.47 | EagleSn | i dont know how to edit an launcher file of launchers in panel |
| 00:56.49 | zinx | EagleSn: i've never had that problem, and do not currently have it in sid, for what it's worth. |
| 00:57.06 | zinx | EagleSn: right click and hit properties |
| 00:57.22 | zinx | oh, the file |
| 00:57.32 | zinx | EagleSn: make sure the spot you're looking in actually has non-svg stuff, too |
| 00:57.49 | gnufs | hello all |
| 00:57.50 | gnufs | i'm trying to add a module to the kernel source |
| 00:57.50 | gnufs | i used to use a patch on linux 2.6.26 but that doesn't work with 2.6.27 |
| 00:57.50 | gnufs | how can i "glue" the module source (which is a Makefile and several .c and .h files) to the kernel source? |
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| 00:58.11 | Oilfurnace1 | is JFS fast? |
| 00:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably also right-click and hit properties, then note where the launcher file is located (probably somewhere in .gnome*/somewhere) and edit it |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | !tell Oilfurnace1 about fs comparison |
| 00:58.28 | gnufs | heh kicked for flooding :) |
| 00:58.33 | EagleSn | i create a laucnher on the desktop, i browse for an icon, and it only can choose .svg icons, not png, but i know that it supports png, well ,i choose a .svg icon and create the launcher. Now i open launcher properties gain, i browse for icon again, and now i can choose .png icons, this is a bug, dont you thing? |
| 00:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it wants you to use the superior svg :-P |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | EagleSn: then file a bug .. no point in asking us repeatedly |
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| 01:00.11 | EagleSn | i have filed it |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | so you're still asking us why? |
| 01:00.38 | EagleSn | i only want to know if you are experimenting the same problems, or if you have it in Sid |
| 01:00.41 | EagleSn | i am in lenny |
| 01:01.00 | zinx | and i let you know, i do not have, and have never had that problem |
| 01:01.11 | Asymmetry | Why is everyone on IRC so eager to treat other people like they're idiots? The man asked a question, get over it. |
| 01:01.25 | Asymmetry | At least he's doing his homework. |
| 01:01.25 | EagleSn | this is not the first time i find this issue.. |
| 01:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm pretty sure I never will have the problem (never using launchers and all) |
| 01:01.28 | Kovensky | abrotman: heh |
| 01:01.39 | Kovensky | I mean, I expected it to be on sid Real Soon |
| 01:01.52 | gnufs | anyone got a solution for my kernel module question? |
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| 01:02.30 | Kovensky | Asymmetry: get over it, that is how hackers 'tick' :/ |
| 01:02.48 | Asymmetry | Kovensky, Gee, that's funny, I'm one, and I'm not a dick to everyone. |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:02.58 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnufs, if there's a package for it, you can simplyt use module-assistant - /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 01:03.25 | Asymmetry | You're here. You know that people come here primarily for help. You don't to help? Get out. Seems pretty simple logic. |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | like to help |
| 01:03.48 | Asymmetry | You don't WANT to help. Add the want. |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | helps by correcting the rant |
| 01:04.04 | Kovensky | Asymmetry: I mean generally, not everyone; I don't hack but I behave a lot like a hacker... but I'm not a dick either, now let's end the off topic :) |
| 01:04.07 | Asymmetry | abrotman, Your thoroughness and attention to detail is inspiring. :P |
| 01:04.14 | enouf | gnufs: why doesn't the patch work? |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | Asymmetry: at least i'm reading it! |
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| 01:04.33 | Asymmetry | abrotman, No, I'm serious! |
| 01:05.05 | EagleSn | one point for Asymmetry |
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| 01:05.19 | gnufs | enouf: it gives the error at http://pastebin.com/m7cf5276f |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | point? |
| 01:05.31 | enouf | works for the NSA in the off season |
| 01:05.57 | amphi | enouf: what other seasons are there/ |
| 01:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnufs, now it's a patch? I thought it's a module |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | it's a patch for .26 and he's trying to apply it to .27 .. |
| 01:06.44 | phish | I tried gksudo gedit but it still doesn't show a window. It worked before using "sudo gedit" but now nothing happens ( but it is running ). if i do su gedit it shows the error |
| 01:06.48 | gnufs | right |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | phish: what are you trying to edit? |
| 01:07.16 | phish | well i was trying to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | phish, "su gedit" would try to become user gedit |
| 01:07.24 | phish | but it doesn't even open when opening it with nothing. |
| 01:07.27 | enouf | gnufs: have you checked to see what's changed in .27 vs .26 as it pertains to your module/source? maybe the patch isn't even needed anymore - now what's drivers/net/Kconfig.rej say? |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | phish: just use a regular editor .. like vi or nano |
| 01:07.32 | EagleSn | phish are you in a complete root X session? |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | gnufs: did you try asking ##kernel |
| 01:07.40 | enouf | amphi: point ;-) |
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| 01:07.53 | phish | EagleSn, i just go "su", type in password. then "gedit" |
| 01:07.55 | phish | (gedit:10784): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 01:07.56 | phish | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | phish: just use a regular editor .. like vi or nano |
| 01:08.06 | phish | abrotman: D: |
| 01:08.09 | gnufs | abrotman: nope :) |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | :#% |
| 01:08.14 | dmoerner | phish: use sux if you want to use su with X |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | gnufs: well .. use a debian kernel or ask #kernel |
| 01:08.28 | phish | but see, it worked "before" |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | Asymmetry: this is why |
| 01:08.48 | phish | i closed it with ctrl-x one time and it stopped working in sudo. |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | instead of spending 30 seconds learning nano .. you spend an hour trying to use gedit |
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| 01:09.05 | Asymmetry | Nano is so frickin' easy... |
| 01:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:09.16 | phish | abrotman: i can use nano, i'm choosing to learn gedit at the moment :) |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | 30 seconds was a high estimate! |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | you're not learning gedit |
| 01:09.35 | phish | OK figuring out why it's broken. |
| 01:09.38 | EagleSn | do you know a sustitute for klipper in Gnome? |
| 01:09.40 | phish | :)) |
| 01:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wise words - why spend 5 minutes learning nano, when you can spend a week trying to run gedit as root.... someone want to make a factoid from it? |
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| 01:10.01 | abrotman | wtf needs five minutes to learn nano ? |
| 01:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, a slow reader |
| 01:10.11 | gnufs | enouf: Kconfig.rej at http://pastebin.com/m5ec4147f |
| 01:10.15 | phish | CutMeOwnThroat: spent probably 5 minutes trying to fix it? :O |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | phish: you've tried sux and gksu ? |
| 01:10.27 | abrotman | phish: you've been here asking longer than five minutes |
| 01:10.36 | phish | It's ok. time is irrelevent. :D |
| 01:10.46 | phish | gksudo had the same effect as sudo |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | then you'll have plenty to read errors and documentation .. have fun! |
| 01:11.01 | phish | >_> |
| 01:11.03 | dmoerner | use. sux. |
| 01:11.17 | EagleSn | phish do not run gksu from root terminal |
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| 01:11.39 | EagleSn | press Alt F2 -> gksu gedit |
| 01:14.15 | gnufs | enouf: i'll take this to ##kernel as abrotman suggests |
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| 01:17.50 | Oilfurnace1 | is JFS fast? |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | !tell Oilfurnace1 about fs comparison |
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| 01:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | deja vu |
| 01:19.05 | Oilfurnace1 | shit it smokes ext3 |
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| 01:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems more like "use anything but ext3 for performance" |
| 01:23.22 | abrotman | most of those are outdated |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | unless you have a good reason .. you should use ext3 |
| 01:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, got one - I like to live risky |
| 01:23.43 | Asymmetry | There have been a lot of advances in ext3 since those benchmarks. It's a very capable, mature, stable filesystem. |
| 01:24.10 | muddd | ext3 4 life yo |
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| 01:24.18 | muddd | heh |
| 01:25.07 | Asymmetry | I wonder when ext4 will go live. Like, actually live. |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | Asymmetry: you can sit and wait with Wyzard |
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| 01:25.31 | begemot1 | Greetings everyone! |
| 01:25.31 | begemot1 | Gush, i just can't wait for Lenny release... |
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| 01:26.20 | begemot1 | I'm an Ubuntu user, but i want switch to Debian. |
| 01:26.34 | piper69 | !virtualbox |
| 01:26.34 | dpkg | i heard virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:26.42 | PiousMinion | Is there a meta package I can install that will only install the bare essentials of the gnome DE? |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | !tell PiousMinion about install gnome |
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| 01:29.14 | PiousMinion | gnome-core still depends on things like gedit, eog, and gnome-terminal. Is there a meta package that does less? |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | wtf .. how much less would you like? |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | gnome-session/gnome-panel/gnome-menus/gnome-settings-daemon ... and a window manager? |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | gnome-control-center might help |
| 01:32.30 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 01:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems obvious, if you only want something like 3 packets, only install those |
| 01:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages |
| 01:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 01:34.06 | piper69 | how do i install gnome |
| 01:34.07 | wwasher | are there any INFO files on parted which are different from the man page? i did a mere `pinfo parted` and the result was the manpage |
| 01:34.21 | piper69 | i did "aptitude -t etch-backports install module-assistant virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
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| 01:34.39 | Cholito | piper69, "aptitude install gnome" |
| 01:35.00 | piper69 | and it open aptitude and removing 15 pkgs |
| 01:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | surely aptitude asked you about that first |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | wwasher: a lot of info pages are just the man pages |
| 01:38.07 | adb | wwasher: info parted get user manual , man parted get the manual, pinfo: command not found |
| 01:38.45 | piper69 | check flood please |
| 01:38.47 | piper69 | i am using gnome right gnome right nw |
| 01:38.50 | piper69 | but i am sure everything is getting remover |
| 01:38.52 | piper69 | is there is a way to stop it |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:39.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:39.32 | piper69 | i really don't care this is a testing box i have no important shit in here |
| 01:40.30 | Cholito | I have a multifunction, the printer is "DCP-7010" and "DCP7010" (yes, I have 2, but only the last one actually prints), but xsane fails to open "DCP-7010" which I suppose have to be "DCP7010" |
| 01:40.56 | Cholito | but I have no idea how to install another printer |
| 01:41.58 | EagleSn | xsane should ask if it detect more then one device |
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| 01:42.49 | EagleSn | see man xsane, it could have an option to specify device route |
| 01:43.42 | Cholito | but first I have to know where is the device, right? |
| 01:43.48 | EagleSn | yes |
| 01:44.01 | EagleSn | look for it in /dev |
| 01:44.35 | EagleSn | how can I test if a port is open? |
| 01:44.47 | Asymmetry | EagleSn, netstat -a |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | telnet |
| 01:44.57 | Asymmetry | Or that. |
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| 01:45.06 | Asymmetry | netstat will tell you what programs are listening on what ports/sockets. |
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| 01:46.05 | muddd | telnet will let you know if any port is open? |
| 01:46.39 | EagleSn | it says that it is on LISTEN state |
| 01:46.40 | ham5 | no netstat will |
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| 01:46.53 | ham5 | read more |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | muddd: if it's tcp |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | but netstat can be somewhat misleading |
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| 01:47.22 | muddd | okie |
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| 01:48.41 | muddd | ah thats interesting |
| 01:49.07 | muddd | wow it works for alot of stuff |
| 01:49.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | telnet i think |
| 01:49.26 | Cholito | lsusb only gives me this (relevant) info: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04f9:0182 Brother Industries, Ltd Composite Device |
| 01:49.34 | muddd | yeah telnet |
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| 01:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, telnet is impressive.... the best internet technology could turn out 35 years ago |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:52.35 | magdalene | , *lurk*ing deep within the lush, camouflaging yet appropriately open source fronds of the #debian_fern, flicks acorns at abrotman ... *flick* *flick* |
| 01:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, these days I often prefer netcat which can also do udp and won't quit on EOF |
| 01:53.16 | EagleSn | i am confused, finally icons on panel launcher worked |
| 01:53.46 | SOG | is there certain software that shouldn't be run under debian when using the apt-get? or all should be fine ? |
| 01:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, you got some weird groupies there ... |
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| 01:54.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: some people have brain damage |
| 01:54.10 | beardy | Or they just like you. |
| 01:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and are shy |
| 01:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 01:54.43 | EagleSn | i have never had any problem running aplications while apt is working |
| 01:55.03 | beardy | SOG: What do you mean? |
| 01:55.10 | SOG | Oh, that's good :O gonna have like a million softwares to use |
| 01:55.24 | beardy | SOG: Don't mix repositories. Use aptitude. Keep things in /usr/local if you're compiling yourself. |
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| 01:55.35 | SOG | I mean vesion problems... like certain apt-get softwares can't run on some Debian based distro |
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| 01:56.11 | Raekism | How can I install a .bundle file? |
| 01:56.15 | beardy | SOG: Well, if something requires a newer version of a library, then you'll have some problems. |
| 01:56.27 | SOG | omg... |
| 01:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | SOG, "rm -rf" / is rather unpopular..... |
| 01:56.41 | beardy | Raekism: Don't. But if you insist, I bet it's a tarball with a shellscript. |
| 01:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but honestly, what do you mean |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | SOG: this is #debian .. not #debian-based .. |
| 01:57.11 | Raekism | vmware 6.5 delivers a .bundle file for its Linux install |
| 01:57.31 | beardy | Raekism: 'file stupidfile.bundle' |
| 01:57.37 | firebird619 | I was in here earlier and enouf helped me. I am having a problem with my PC (Debian Lenny) starting. It gets to a spot where it shows "Setting parameters of disc:Setting the system clock." I have now ran memtest (no errors) and replaced the CMOS battery, which didn't help. I still get the setting parameters message. What else can I do to try and solve this issue? enouf also had me run "touch forcefsck" and enable the boot log. The boot |
| 01:58.02 | Raekism | thanks beardy |
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| 01:58.18 | abrotman | firebird619: tried turning off acpi or apic ? |
| 01:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | the boo? |
| 01:58.31 | SOG | ya abrotman I am instsall Debian 4... because other Debian based can't run the morse and Radio softwares... so I was wondering if there will be a version probleM :D |
| 01:58.32 | Wyzard | Raekism: It's a shell script that unpacks and runs a GUI installer |
| 01:58.34 | muddd | to be continued |
| 01:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | he scared the hell outta me :) |
| 01:58.46 | enouf | firebird619: your message got truncated at " boot log. The boot ...." |
| 01:58.55 | Raekism | file vmware.bundle did not work |
| 01:58.58 | enouf | firebird619: which ARCH is this again? |
| 01:59.09 | Wyzard | Raekism: If you want to be prompted for directories like previous releases did, run it with --custom; I use that to tell it to install in /usr/local, since it defaults to /usr |
| 01:59.21 | firebird619 | enouf: the rest of the message is: The boot log has nothing in it because the PC won't start properly. If I let it sit at that message long enough, the PC just restarts. Could someone help me? |
| 01:59.21 | beardy | Raekism: It would have told you what kind of file it is. |
| 01:59.39 | enouf | abrotman: good suggestion - but if IIRC, it's a 4+ yr old PC? |
| 01:59.41 | beardy | Raekism: Maybe file(1) isn't installed. |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | enouf: and? |
| 01:59.59 | enouf | abrotman: and he previously had no issues .. oh well |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | and he might want to look for a bios update |
| 02:00.09 | Wyzard | Raekism: chmod a+x it and run it |
| 02:00.14 | enouf | firebird619: righto |
| 02:00.14 | firebird619 | enouf: x86 |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | firebird619: how long did you wait? |
| 02:00.25 | enouf | firebird619: no, i386 or amd64? |
| 02:00.26 | Raekism | I am in as su and I cannot run it |
| 02:00.35 | firebird619 | enouf: it is a Dell Dimension 8300 with no BIOS updates since 2004. |
| 02:00.37 | Raekism | I see after I do a file command it says bash script |
| 02:00.47 | beardy | Raekism: What Wyzard said, or 'bash file.bundle' |
| 02:00.52 | firebird619 | enouf: Dell hasn't updated the BIOS since 2004. |
| 02:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raekism, wdywtd? |
| 02:00.59 | Raekism | sorry missed it |
| 02:01.01 | enouf | firebird619: which ARCH is this again? |
| 02:01.04 | firebird619 | enouf: i386 |
| 02:01.08 | enouf | ok |
| 02:01.09 | magdalene | hands CutMeOwnThroat and firebird619 each their own OFFICAL #debian_herbivore T-shirts \ |
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| 02:01.19 | psynaptic | hi |
| 02:01.20 | enouf | firebird619: and this is lenny? |
| 02:01.20 | Wyzard | Raekism: Either make it executable with chmod and run it directly, or run it with bash |
| 02:01.25 | magdalene | in dayglow green =D |
| 02:01.28 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes. |
| 02:01.29 | Raekism | bash worked |
| 02:01.34 | enouf | firebird619: try etch with it's older .18 and .24 kernels |
| 02:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gosh, now it's my groupie also |
| 02:01.36 | beardy | Of couse. |
| 02:01.37 | Raekism | thanks |
| 02:01.39 | beardy | r |
| 02:01.48 | Raekism | I will let everyone know |
| 02:01.50 | magdalene | firebird: what version of VMware? |
| 02:01.53 | Raekism | thanks for your help |
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| 02:01.58 | enouf | firebird619: then you can upgrade from there if needed - what kernel was your LiveCD and which distro? |
| 02:02.32 | enouf | firebird619: IOW, once you get it booting correctly, you can toy with various kernels and parameters |
| 02:02.34 | psynaptic | I'm having a bit of trouble with my web server that's running debian.. the sftp is working intermittently, sometimes it works fine but then it gives me permission denied for a period of time, then it works again.. any idea what might cause this? |
| 02:02.54 | enouf | firebird619: to see if indeed it's a .26 kernel issue |
| 02:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raekism, there is a vmware package in Debian... |
| 02:03.02 | Raekism | nope |
| 02:03.13 | Raekism | just got it off Vmware site |
| 02:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes there is, don't say "nope" |
| 02:03.26 | Raekism | this installer is easier then installing it on slax |
| 02:03.42 | magdalene | CMOT: no its a more... gastrinomique... er hmm.. menu.. i mean. lunch .ah... YES you have my attention now. |
| 02:03.46 | Raekism | vmware workstation in Debian? |
| 02:03.50 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: vmware-package is a wrapper that builds debs from VMware's tarball releases, but it doesn't work with the recently-released 6.5 (which uses a different installer) and doesn't seem to be maintained much so it might not gain that support anytime soon |
| 02:04.02 | firebird619 | enouf: The live CD I am on right now is Ubuntu 8.04 because Debian is installed on my hard drive and that won't boot correctly with that time message. |
| 02:04.14 | enouf | firebird619: i'm going to guess it's some weirdo /dev/rtc or hpet or ACPI timer bug |
| 02:04.52 | magdalene | Works fine with the Mac Version Wyzard |
| 02:04.54 | enouf | firebird619: then use the livecd and install an older debian kernel - the debian installation on Lenny has worked fine for how long? |
| 02:04.55 | firebird619 | enouf: So you think it is a kernel issue? Why did it just start now when I have been running it for a while and that kernel has been the same for a while now. |
| 02:05.01 | magdalene | version rather |
| 02:05.07 | beardy | dpkg: .bundle is <reply> Run 'file somefile.bundle', it's highly likely that it is a compressed archive with a shellscript attached. Run it by making it executable or 'bash somefile.bundle'. Know what you are doing, this is not supported here. |
| 02:05.07 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 02:05.15 | enouf | firebird619: then i'd have to say a hardware issue |
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| 02:05.20 | Raekism | Can someone tell me where the Kernel Headers 2.6.26-1-amd64 is? VMware wants that |
| 02:05.46 | beardy | Raekism: They are in linux-headers-<versionandthings> |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | Raekism: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 02:05.51 | Raekism | Cutmethroat I didnt mean to offend you. I read it as a question, my bad. |
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| 02:05.59 | firebird619 | enouf: Well, the battery is new, memtest said the RAM was fine, etc. What does that leave, PSU and motherboard/processor? |
| 02:06.06 | Raekism | thanks |
| 02:06.30 | enouf | firebird619: did you recently upgrage anything major like a kernel or otherwise on your Lenny? |
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| 02:06.46 | Wyzard | Raekism: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:07.06 | enouf | firebird619: basically - but even a bad PCI card could cause errors indeed |
| 02:07.12 | miniteman | quit |
| 02:07.20 | Raekism | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:07.37 | enouf | firebird619: IOW, coincide things not working with the time frame of what you changed lastly |
| 02:07.38 | Raekism | apt-cache brings back a bunch of stuff |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | so pick the one you need |
| 02:07.52 | Oilfurnace1 | how do i defrag |
| 02:08.06 | firebird619 | enouf: I just ran an upgrade yesterday I believe it was. To be honest, I can't remember what they were, but I know there wasn't anything major like the kernel or anything. Also, after I ran the upgrade, I had restarted the PC and it ran fine after that as well. This issue is just out of the blue from this morning. |
| 02:08.07 | Wyzard | Raekism: You probably already have the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package installed -- that's a metapackage that ensures you always have the latest actual kernel package (currently linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64) |
| 02:08.07 | beardy | Raekism: Pipe through less, pick what you want, as said. |
| 02:08.18 | beardy | !defrag |
| 02:08.18 | dpkg | hmm... defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 02:08.25 | Oilfurnace1 | when is debian 5 coming out? |
| 02:08.27 | beardy | Oilfurnace1: It's generally not needed. |
| 02:08.32 | beardy | !wir |
| 02:08.32 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 02:08.36 | Raekism | Still not sure where the location is |
| 02:08.39 | Raekism | where to go |
| 02:08.40 | Wyzard | Raekism: You should install linux-headers-2.6-amd64, which is another metapackage that ensures you always have the latest headers package (currently linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64) |
| 02:08.59 | Raekism | I have that version |
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| 02:09.40 | enouf | firebird619: ok - can you check dpkg.log to see what was upgraded? i still can't seem to home in on the issue - also search google (try bugs.debian.org too) with the text from where it hangs |
| 02:10.03 | Raekism | it does not show me the path and I need to know the path |
| 02:10.05 | beardy | Raekism: I bet that bundle crap looks for them where Red Hat keeps them though. |
| 02:10.10 | beardy | As I said. |
| 02:10.13 | Wyzard | Raekism: Just install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:10.34 | Wyzard | Raekism: The VMware installer will find the headers automatically if they're properly installed, and won't need to ask you anything |
| 02:10.40 | Raekism | I believe I do have them installed |
| 02:10.41 | beardy | Raekism: /usr/src/linux-headers-<andsoon> IIRC. |
| 02:10.59 | Wyzard | Raekism: What headers package did you install? |
| 02:11.04 | firebird619 | enouf: I did a google search of that error message and didn't find anything. I can try again. I can look at dpkg.log and see what it says, I have to quick mount my drives first. I assume dpkg.log is in /var/log, correct? |
| 02:11.06 | beardy | Wyzard: I doubt it. |
| 02:11.19 | enouf | firebird619: yep |
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| 02:11.38 | Wyzard | beardy: doubt what, that the VMware installer can find the headers or that Raekism has them installed? |
| 02:11.51 | beardy | Wyzard: First. |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | lenny has a vmware-package ? |
| 02:12.04 | Raekism | how do I get the headers and install them? |
| 02:12.06 | Wyzard | beardy: several years of experience says it will |
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| 02:12.17 | beardy | Wyzard: That's good then. |
| 02:12.18 | Raekism | there was nothing in usr/src |
| 02:12.21 | Wyzard | beardy: It looks for the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink |
| 02:12.31 | abrotman | or so i thought |
| 02:12.44 | enouf | firebird619: use ScrollLock while booting to stop the boot phase (just prior to where it's going to hang) - then Shift+PageUp/Down to scroll messages |
| 02:12.51 | Wyzard | Raekism: then you didn't install a headers package |
| 02:13.07 | Raekism | Where do I find that for Lenny? |
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| 02:13.14 | Raekism | add/remove is not finding it |
| 02:13.24 | Wyzard | Raekism: once again, install the linux-headers-2.6-amd64 package |
| 02:13.45 | enouf | firebird619: then try to pastebin the last 20 lines of text or so if you can - also, did you ever manage to run a fsck? Boot the livecd and do it |
| 02:14.02 | firebird619 | enouf: I am looking at the log now, there are some things that say half installed. Also, going by that log, my last updates were on October 9. I guess I got mixed up, I thought I had upgraded yesterday. |
| 02:14.10 | Wyzard | wishes Debian would include the headers in the default install so we didn't have to explain kernel and header metapackages to people all the time |
| 02:14.11 | enouf | firebird619: if the livecd works fine (again get the kernel version) then i |
| 02:14.21 | Raekism | I do not know how to install the linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | Raekism: aptitude install foo |
| 02:14.36 | Wyzard | Raekism: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:14.48 | enouf | firebird619: 'd have to say likely not a hardware issue - but can't necessarily rule that out - might be a HDD issue |
| 02:14.53 | Raekism | thank you |
| 02:15.28 | enouf | firebird619: Oct 9 was yesterday :-) |
| 02:15.30 | Raekism | aptitude <whatever> installs whatever you need? |
| 02:15.35 | Raekism | I am new to Debian |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | !tell Raekism about grounding |
| 02:15.42 | beardy | !reference |
| 02:15.42 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 02:15.43 | Raekism | I switched over from Opensuse |
| 02:15.43 | firebird619 | enouf: All the updates that were done on the 9th are more than 20 lines, should I pastebin all of the 9th stuff. I am running the live CD now. |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | !tell Raekism about refcard |
| 02:16.08 | Raekism | ty |
| 02:16.10 | enouf | firebird619: sure, and paste output of cat /proc/version |
| 02:16.22 | Wyzard | yes, aptitude is for installing things... it's the successor to apt-get, which you may have heard of before |
| 02:16.30 | Raekism | ok it finished the linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:16.34 | firebird619 | enouf: Your right, it was, I am on the live CD and the time isn't correct on it and so it says it's the 11th. It's been along day trying to fix this problem. :P |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | Raekism: so try to install vmware again |
| 02:16.46 | enouf | hehe |
| 02:16.48 | Wyzard | now run the VMware installer again, and this time it won't ask you for where to find the headers |
| 02:17.09 | Raekism | that worked! |
| 02:17.10 | Raekism | thanks |
| 02:17.14 | dustybin | how stupid can one get: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Servers+and+Data+Center&articleId=9116787&taxonomyId=154 |
| 02:17.20 | beardy | If you say so. Any other .run or .bundle will though. |
| 02:17.28 | Raekism | got further, it is compiling |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | dustybin: wrong channel |
| 02:18.01 | Wyzard | dustybin: I've seen management want to standardize on Gentoo for a project's servers |
| 02:18.05 | enouf | firebird619: wait, the LiveCD also reports incorrect date/time ? is that a DaylightSavings issue? is your BIOS Clock / Date set correctly since you changed the Battery? You DID go back into CMOS Setup after swapping batteries, right? |
| 02:18.18 | Raekism | that worked all |
| 02:18.22 | Raekism | it is up and running now! |
| 02:18.25 | Raekism | Thank you! |
| 02:18.28 | beardy | Great. |
| 02:18.38 | Raekism | I have Vmware 6.5 working on Debian Lenny |
| 02:18.53 | Raekism | thank you all, I appreciate it. Seriously. |
| 02:19.15 | enouf | what was the issue? |
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| 02:19.25 | Wyzard | just lack of headers to build kernel modules |
| 02:19.41 | enouf | that'll do it ;-) |
| 02:19.49 | Raekism | is there any other packages I should install that I might need? |
| 02:20.49 | enouf | build-essential, devscripts, libncurses5-dev, libc6-dev maybe .. all depends - read about the -dev pkgs containing build headers |
| 02:20.55 | Wyzard | Raekism: If you want to be able to use sound in virtual machines together with sound on your "real" system, you'll probably need to install alsa-oss and use it for running vmware |
| 02:21.00 | firebird619 | enouf: The clocks on LiveCDs have never been the correct time for me. Yes, when I replaced the battery, I went into CMOS and set the correct time, date, etc. |
| 02:21.11 | Wyzard | but you'll have to hand-edit a .desktop file to make the menu icon launch vmware that way |
| 02:21.37 | enouf | firebird619: i am happy you took that initiative ;-) |
| 02:22.01 | enouf | firebird619: btw, how many herds of dust bunnies were in there? |
| 02:22.26 | beardy | Pwetty dust bunnsies. |
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| 02:23.00 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 02:23.22 | Tetracomm | Does the Debian installer let you use a partition manager? |
| 02:23.36 | abrotman | you can partition .. |
| 02:23.36 | Raekism | Wyzard ty |
| 02:23.37 | karsten | Tetracomm: As in LVM? |
| 02:23.37 | firebird619 | enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/m792857cd. There weren't many dust bunnies at all, maybe they found a different home after I kept disturbing this one. :). |
| 02:23.43 | Tetracomm | No, ordinary. |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:23.49 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 02:23.54 | magdalene | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenouf! |
| 02:23.58 | karsten | Tetracomm: ... or as in a partitioning tool? |
| 02:24.01 | karsten | Tetracomm: Yes. |
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| 02:24.05 | Tetracomm | Ok, thank you. |
| 02:24.06 | Tetracomm | :) |
| 02:24.17 | magdalene | darts a #debian_fern frond at enouf |
| 02:24.29 | magdalene | *dart* |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | magdalene: kind of annoying .. stop already |
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| 02:25.41 | enouf | firebird619: you might have either some really screwy acpi - or your rtc quartz crystal is shot or something .. - try some typical kernel params like acpi=off, pci=routeirq, pci=biosirq, pci=noacpi, etc etc http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L1545 for a general idea |
| 02:26.01 | piper69 | !virtualbox |
| 02:26.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | noapic ? |
| 02:26.04 | enouf | magdalene: hungry again my dear? |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | !tell piper69 about msg the bot |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | again |
| 02:26.08 | karsten | Tetracomm: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, IIRC. There's a walk-through wizard in general. |
| 02:26.15 | magdalene | thinks abrotman needs this long weekend as it seems obvious that he has had too much serious lately |
| 02:26.29 | abrotman | magdalene: stop already .. it's not funny .. go fuck around somewhere else |
| 02:26.31 | enouf | abrotman: well, on it's own, sure, but for pci= no |
| 02:26.39 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 02:26.50 | magdalene | enouf: oh yes, there seem to be plenty of new herbivores this weekend |
| 02:28.31 | firebird619 | enouf: Sorry, but I have never specified kernel params, how do I do that? Also, is the quartz crystal and so forth something that can go out just like that? |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | quartz is a .. rock |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | crystal .. whatever |
| 02:29.31 | karsten | firebird619: you add them to your kernel boot stanza in the bootloader. |
| 02:29.37 | piper69 | this is the second time i try to install virtualbox using msg from dpkg "aptitude -t etch-backports install module-assistant virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
| 02:29.41 | Tetracomm | Does Debian have a live cd with no GUI? |
| 02:29.47 | karsten | firebird619: cat /proc/cmdline to see what you started with. |
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| 02:29.51 | enouf | firebird619: well, about as easily as the capacitors can start bulging ;-) |
| 02:29.58 | piper69 | and it will remove gnome without asking me! |
| 02:29.59 | karsten | !tell Tetracomm about livecd |
| 02:29.59 | Oilfurnace1 | whens the next debian being released? |
| 02:30.08 | beardy | !lenny |
| 02:30.08 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | !tell Oilfurnace1 about repeat |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | !tell Oilfurnace1 about wwlr |
| 02:30.18 | karsten | !tell Oilfurnace1 about wir |
| 02:30.29 | firebird619 | enouf: Gosh, I hope that doesn't start happening. :) |
| 02:30.33 | Oilfurnace1 | ok |
| 02:31.06 | firebird619 | karsten: I am on a live CD right now, so wouldn't that command give me what the live CD uses? |
| 02:31.26 | enouf | firebird619: you use grub? when the grub splash appears, select your kernel - hit 'e' to edit. then edit it by appending a boot parameter at the end of the line, then hit ENTER, then 'b' for Boot |
| 02:31.44 | Tetracomm | Going to install Etch now. |
| 02:31.45 | SOG | !Debian Sarge |
| 02:32.06 | magdalene | i really do hope something can be worked out for java and flash on ported G3s |
| 02:32.08 | karsten | firebird619: Yes, that was meant as an example of what kernel params look like. If you're booting from a livecd you've generally got the option to specify boot params in SYSLINUX. |
| 02:32.10 | SOG | Tetracomm I am isntalling LInux right now :D 90% at "selsct and install software" |
| 02:32.17 | enouf | firebird619: he was trying to get you to see what similar line you'd find in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:32.24 | SOG | !Sarge |
| 02:32.24 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 02:32.27 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, Thanks. |
| 02:32.32 | Tetracomm | Oh. |
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| 02:33.20 | firebird619 | enouf: If specifying one of those parameters solves my problem, would I then add it to the right kernel line in menu.lst so it is there permanently? |
| 02:33.50 | enouf | firebird619: correct - but worry about that later ;-) |
| 02:34.07 | enouf | firebird619: hopefully once you boot, you'll stay booted for a while :-P |
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| 02:34.22 | enouf | firebird619: wait, that isn't a craptop is it? |
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| 02:34.51 | enouf | heck no, dust bunnies never congregate there, do they? |
| 02:35.36 | beardy | Another bunny bites the dust. |
| 02:36.26 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. Why couldn't it have just been the battery .:P Someday maybe I can fix the problem of starting the PC where I no longer have to press F12 to get the boot menu and pick the right option so that the PC will start, otherwise I get a File Not Found error. I have Debian installed on 2 drives, one is for /home, the other is for the rest of the partitions. No, it isn't a craptop. |
| 02:37.04 | enouf | firebird619: i can't tell much from the dpkg.log - i'd be wildly guessing , also which kernel is on that LiveCD? |
| 02:37.39 | firebird619 | Well, the live CD I am running right now is Ubuntu 8.04 which uses 2.6.27-2-generic |
| 02:37.47 | enouf | ahh .. ok |
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| 02:38.48 | karsten | WRT lenny and RCBs: http://blog.venthur.de/2008/10/07/lennys-release-date/ |
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| 02:39.04 | karsten | RCB == release-critical bugs. Regression plot estimating release date in Jan 09. |
| 02:40.07 | enouf | now firebird619 - i'm going to suggest some serious possible funk - it only occurs when you have more than 1 installation and more than 1 grub installation - your drive order might've gotten rearranged in tghe BIOS setup when you had a power failure- and so, you think you are loading menu.lst from drive1 and booting drive2, but actually the inverse is occuring - it's happended to me, but it doesn't fail in the way you mention |
| 02:41.45 | enouf | firebird619: it also really doesn't explain why sometimes it would boot and most times not - it's weird - i'm basically out of ideas - except those silly BIOS boot menus - ugh |
| 02:42.13 | firebird619 | enouf: I only have 1 installation and 1 grub installation. The BIOS driver order is right, I just wish the BIOS had a setting to specify the boot order of the individual HDD's so I didn't have to enter the boot menu each time to specify the drive to start from. |
| 02:42.48 | enouf | firebird619: this is why ScrollLock - heck even a Digital Camera of the boot failing would help maybe |
| 02:43.28 | enouf | firebird619: are you certain? my 1999 PC has what you mention |
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| 02:44.01 | enouf | firebird619: oh, so " I have Debian installed on 2 drives" means |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | crap |
| 02:44.08 | enouf | firebird619: oh, so " I have Debian installed on 2 drives" means |
| 02:44.11 | enouf | dammit! |
| 02:44.17 | enouf | !entersmite me |
| 02:44.37 | enouf | firebird619: oh, so " I have Debian installed on 2 drives" means " I have Debian install spread across 2 drives"? |
| 02:45.25 | enouf | (i should've gotten that from the following "one is for /home, the other is for the rest of the partitions." info - but i didn't) |
| 02:45.56 | firebird619 | enouf: I took a picture of the bottom of the screen, which is where that time message thing was. It is zoomed in so you don't see the whole screen (22 inch widescreen). Also, I was just looking at it again and below that time message Adding 2000084k swap on /dev/sda2 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2000084k. |
| 02:46.20 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes, it is Debian spread across 2 drives. I probably should have explained it better. Sorry. |
| 02:46.32 | SOG | umm... just boot into Debian... my PS2 mouse is not working :o |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:46.59 | beardy | Working where? |
| 02:47.07 | firebird619 | enouf: What does that Adding swap message mean? |
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| 02:47.18 | SOG | 4.0 |
| 02:47.31 | beardy | !drxx SOG |
| 02:47.31 | dpkg | SOG: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | modprobe psmouse ? |
| 02:47.39 | SOG | what's the shortCut key to turn off DEbian ? |
| 02:48.08 | SOG | or log out and bring out the Terminal ? |
| 02:48.31 | SOG | lol without a mouse I felt like losing an arm :o |
| 02:48.37 | stew | SOG: the shortcut he is hit '/sbin/halt' in rapid sequence followed by 'enter' |
| 02:48.39 | beardy | SOG: Which? Do you want to power off your machine or get to a terminal? |
| 02:49.45 | beardy | SOG: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6 switches from X to one of the six terminals you have by default. Alt-F7 switches back to X. To halt your system you do what stew said. |
| 02:49.50 | SOG | um... yeah, now I booted into 4.0 for first time :D can't do anything on this laptop, how to get to reconfig asap ? |
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| 02:50.18 | SOG | thanks beardy Ctrl alt and Fx ok |
| 02:50.25 | beardy | SOG: Yep. |
| 02:50.29 | enouf | firebird619: yeah - well - see my /var/log/boot - but indeed - it's started at a later time in the boot order, and then the printk buffer is spit out onto it, so your boot is failing even prior to bootlogd even starting although i successful boot will show these/those messages http://pastebin.ca/raw/1225106 |
| 02:50.55 | enouf | s/i/a |
| 02:51.09 | beardy | SOG: "/msg dpkg grounding", then ask it about the various factoids it mentions, you will benefit from it. Especially the Debian Reference. |
| 02:52.08 | firebird619 | enouf: This time message comes right after it says starting boot logger. |
| 02:52.17 | enouf | firebird619: do you have any other kernels installed? have you tried booting them? have you ran fsck on your HDD from the LiveCD yet? |
| 02:52.35 | enouf | firebird619: which? adding swap? |
| 02:52.43 | enouf | firebird619: that's normal |
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| 02:54.24 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes, adding swap, I asked because I just didn't remember seeing that, but then usually when the computer is working without problems, all that text flies by so fast it is hard to read it all. I do have a 2.6.25 kernel installed I think, I hadn't thought to try that. If I try that, that won't mess anything up except, for example, VirtualBox which is compiled against a certain kernel, right? |
| 02:54.28 | enouf | ewww. . i just found out (again, cause i forgot where to look) that my ext3 / is 4.4% fragmented :-/ |
| 02:54.31 | enouf | 115382/1062880 files (4.4% non-contiguous), 1680799/2124588 blocks |
| 02:54.57 | ross` | anyone wanna play crossfire: /j #dultra for a crossfire server: fun game, come and play! sorry for advertising in this channel :) |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | ross`: go away |
| 02:55.17 | beardy | SOG: So, your mouse wasn't working in X? |
| 02:55.24 | Somni | don't be sorry, just don't do it |
| 02:55.25 | enouf | firebird619: er .. i know nothing about vbox |
| 02:55.34 | beardy | ross`: If you're sorry, don't do it. |
| 02:55.42 | ross` | i guess im not sorry |
| 02:55.46 | ross` | =/ mm |
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| 02:56.18 | enouf | firebird619: but a 3D video blob would need to be recompiled against the kernel you're running - the point of this is to see if it boots |
| 02:56.27 | enouf | you worry about all that other shit later |
| 02:56.37 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. :) |
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| 02:57.02 | SOG | ya beardy my PS2 build in laptop mouse isnt working, trying to reconfig now |
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| 02:58.29 | enouf | firebird619: you;re forgetting to answer many of my questions, and i loathe repeating ;-) i will give you sometime to review ;-) |
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| 02:58.49 | beardy | SOG: Do a 'lsmod | grep "psmouse"' please, any output? |
| 02:58.54 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I can go and try the other kernel and see what it does. |
| 02:59.10 | enouf | firebird619: i asked about other things too ;-) |
| 02:59.57 | firebird619 | enouf: Uh Oh, I thought I had answered everything, I guess I only answered the questions I had seen, I am sorry.? |
| 03:00.00 | enouf | run fsck on yuor HDDs from livecd? - i asked atleast twice recently ... |
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| 03:00.07 | SOG | beardy in terninal as root, no |
| 03:00.43 | beardy | SOG: Login with your user, run 'su' to switch to root, run what I said, and then 'exit', yes. |
| 03:01.02 | SOG | not sudo?? |
| 03:01.20 | beardy | SOG: If you like, and if it's setup, that'll do too. |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | you don't need to be root to lsmod |
| 03:01.28 | SOG | oh ok |
| 03:01.34 | beardy | Then disregard what I said, and run it as your user. |
| 03:01.39 | firebird619 | enouf: Oh yes, I remember seeing that, I hadn't ran it yet though. Is it just fsck /dev/sd1, etc.? Sorry, but I usually don't run these commands. Thanks for helping me/putting up with my not knowing alot of this stuff. |
| 03:02.25 | SOG | i am ready :D |
| 03:02.54 | SOG | but I think I might as well reconfig.. I need to somehow set my Video mode too.. it's 1024 x 480 |
| 03:03.10 | beardy | SOG: Yes, but please do what I said first. |
| 03:03.17 | SOG | oh ok |
| 03:03.30 | SOG | please tell me what I need to do the beardy |
| 03:03.53 | beardy | SOG: Run 'lsmod | grep "psmouse"' as your own user. |
| 03:03.58 | enouf | firebird619: fsck.ext3 -f -a -C0 /dev/sda1 (if that is your / ) .. then also on your other partitions if ext3 as well |
| 03:04.28 | firebird619 | enouf: /dev/sda1 is home. /dev/sdb3 is / |
| 03:04.30 | beardy | SOG: (Without the ' ', it is there to mark that is is an exact command I tell you to run.) |
| 03:04.51 | SOG | ya, I did, but nothing happen |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | then it's not loaded |
| 03:05.02 | beardy | SOG: Then the module psmouse isn't loaded. |
| 03:05.16 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, it is running on / right now. |
| 03:05.20 | enouf | firebird619: well, you solve for X ;-) |
| 03:05.20 | SOG | oh.. um... how do load that module |
| 03:05.31 | beardy | SOG: As root, run 'modprobe psmouse' to load it. |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | SOG: type this *exactly* ... echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | the >> is very important |
| 03:05.57 | enouf | no dots! |
| 03:06.00 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | dots :( |
| 03:06.26 | enouf | !ellipsessmite abrotman :-P |
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| 03:08.15 | SOG | beardy modprobe psmouse give me this error "fatal: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22-15-generic/modules.dep: no such file or directry abrotman after typed echo psmouse >> /etc/modules nothing happend |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | SOG: go to #ubuntu |
| 03:08.59 | enouf | ... |
| 03:09.03 | beardy | ... |
| 03:09.06 | firebird619 | enouf: fsck on / returned: /dev/sdb3: 401343/7200768 files (1.0% non-contiguous), 3999886/28772415 blocks |
| 03:09.07 | SOG | um.. ? |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | dots :( |
| 03:09.12 | tictac | lol |
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| 03:09.14 | abrotman | SOG: that's an ubuntu kernel . |
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| 03:09.17 | beardy | !lol |
| 03:09.17 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:09.22 | SOG | :O ? |
| 03:09.35 | tictac | ... |
| 03:09.39 | enouf | firebird619: and that's all? |
| 03:09.43 | SOG | odd... did I got it mixed up... um... I do have ubuntu installed on the other partition though... |
| 03:09.49 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes. Should there be more? |
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| 03:10.05 | SOG | lol sorry guys.. let me check my grub settings :D |
| 03:10.12 | enouf | firebird619: well .. file -s /dev/sdb3 say? |
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| 03:11.04 | enouf | firebird619: it should be fine - also pastebin output of tune2fs -l /dev/sdb3 |
| 03:11.26 | firebird619 | enouf: /dev/sdb3: writable, no read permission. Beings I am on a live CD, do I need to run that command as root, if so: /dev/sdb3: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files) |
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| 03:11.50 | enouf | firebird619: yes, root for all admin work |
| 03:12.06 | SOG | abrotman you are right... ha ha, somehow the grub install point debian to a ubuntu kernel inside the /hda1 let me see where the Debian kernel is... |
| 03:12.41 | enouf | haha .. oh that's rich .. |
| 03:13.13 | firebird619 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1225111 |
| 03:13.15 | enouf | Q How did your system break? A. "grub install point debian to a ubuntu kernel " |
| 03:13.21 | enouf | hahaha |
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| 03:13.59 | SOG | um.. that's like my fist time... um... does debian also put the kernel on the /boot hda ? |
| 03:14.00 | jhanssen | here am I again :D |
| 03:14.18 | firebird619 | enouf: fsck on /home was: /home: 219050/7503872 files (6.4% non-contiguous), 23428377/30013428 blocks |
| 03:14.25 | jhanssen | Guys .. don't know why my eclipse started to crash on java threads... |
| 03:14.27 | jelly-home | enouf: um, debian's grub is known to set up an entry for any other linux into grub's menu |
| 03:14.38 | jhanssen | using debian lenny .. anybody knows anything about ? |
| 03:14.49 | beardy | !error |
| 03:14.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: does it use other kernels for debian ? |
| 03:14.50 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
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| 03:14.55 | jhanssen | p.s I am using the PDT tool .. |
| 03:15.08 | beardy | !errors |
| 03:15.08 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 03:15.11 | H2S04 | jelly-home, but it's unlikely that it would do as SOG said :P |
| 03:15.22 | jelly-home | yah |
| 03:15.26 | enouf | jelly-home: not to boot into debian |
| 03:15.30 | H2S04 | jelly-home, or that booting to a different kernel would "break" the system. |
| 03:15.30 | enouf | right |
| 03:16.02 | jhanssen | beardy, |
| 03:16.16 | jhanssen | It's generating an eclipse error log .. not exactly only one error |
| 03:16.26 | beardy | jhanssen: Use a pastebin. |
| 03:16.26 | H2S04 | Debian has been excellent for me with detecting other OS's on my HD. Although I do most tests now in VM's. |
| 03:16.30 | SOG | can someone tell me the file name of the kernel of Debian? :D thanks |
| 03:16.36 | jhanssen | k will do |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | SOG: look in /boot/ |
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| 03:17.22 | SOG | Oh! I see it now abrotman... let me edit my menu.lst again :D thanks |
| 03:17.33 | enouf | firebird619: looks ok - now run fsck on your /home and any other partitions, except for swap - although that can be overwritten if we think that's an issue - dev/zero, then mkswap , |
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| 03:18.41 | firebird619 | enouf: I ran the fsck on /home and pasted the results above. Would you like me to paste them again? |
| 03:18.42 | enouf | firebird619: oh - see? i miss messages too ;-) |
| 03:19.01 | enouf | firebird619: no. that's fine as well |
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| 03:19.26 | SOG | so it's vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 03:20.02 | jhanssen | beardy, http://paste.debian.net/18965/ |
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| 03:20.14 | jhanssen | and everyone that has any clue on it |
| 03:20.23 | firebird619 | enouf: The only other partition I have except for swap is boot and trying to run fsck on that says that it is mounted, yet when I try to unmount it, it says it isn't mounted. |
| 03:20.43 | enouf | firebird619: what FS is it? |
| 03:20.51 | firebird619 | enouf: ext3 |
| 03:21.00 | beardy | jhanssen: Yes.. I probably haven't, just trying to help you get help. |
| 03:21.12 | jhanssen | Thanks beardy |
| 03:21.23 | enouf | firebird619: are you in the /boot dir? cat /proc/mount shows it? |
| 03:21.32 | enouf | firebird619: er cat /proc/mounts |
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| 03:22.08 | firebird619 | enouf: It doesn't show it there at all. |
| 03:22.50 | enouf | firebird619: wait, maybe ubuntu creates it's own /boot .. let me see your command |
| 03:24.51 | firebird619 | enouf: I used: sudo fsck.ext3 -f -a -C0 /dev/sdb2. I am sure that is the boot, but just in case, I ran /dev/sdb1 which returned: /dev/sdb1: 36/24096 files (22.2% non-contiguous), 40776/96356 blocks. Would swap return that error of being mounted? |
| 03:25.05 | enouf | firebird619: as root "lsof -D /boot | less" <--pastebin that ... also lsof | grep sdXX |
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| 03:25.55 | enouf | firebird619: what? swap doesn't get mounted - clarify your FS with /dev/names |
| 03:26.10 | begemot1 | Gusy, can i ask you a question about freepascal IDE in Debian? |
| 03:26.34 | eloquent | What encryption algorithm does dm-crypt use when you isntall Etch with LVM2 + encrypted hard drive? |
| 03:26.36 | eloquent | Is it AES? |
| 03:26.38 | enouf | firebird619: althouhg , LiveCDs are notorious for utilizing swap without telling you |
| 03:26.40 | eloquent | And if so, what features? |
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| 03:27.29 | firebird619 | enouf: the lsof command keeps returning that -D isn't a valid option. |
| 03:27.38 | enouf | (especially when less than 2-3GB RAM) |
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| 03:28.03 | enouf | firebird619: bah, ubunutu sucks! .. try -d maybe :-P |
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| 03:28.51 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:29.06 | firebird619 | enouf: That returns lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow |
| 03:29.06 | firebird619 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.06 | firebird619 | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ubuntu/.gvfs |
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| 03:29.42 | enouf | Firestarter-: yeah - forget this idea :-P |
| 03:29.53 | enouf | whoops |
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| 03:30.03 | enouf | firebird619: i mean you, not Firestarter- |
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| 03:31.08 | firebird619 | enouf: What do you mean "I mean you, not firestarter" I got kicked because I accidently pasted the result of lsof command here instead of pastebin. Did I miss something you said. |
| 03:31.38 | enouf | firebird619: try this; mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdb2 /mnt/point |
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| 03:31.51 | enouf | hehe |
| 03:32.02 | enouf | firebird619: i said <enouf> Firestarter-: yeah - forget this idea :-P |
| 03:32.15 | enouf | firebird619: and stop flooding the channel |
| 03:32.45 | firebird619 | enouf: The output of that lsof command is: http://pastebin.ca/1225117. Not much there though. I didn't mean to flood the channel, it was an accident. :P |
| 03:33.02 | SOG | thanks abrotman, beardy Mouse is working now ha ha... now just need to change Video resolutiona and stuff, I guess I can figure that out :D |
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| 03:33.26 | enouf | firebird619: yeah, that much of it made it into the channel as you were kicked |
| 03:33.36 | firebird619 | enouf: I discovered that /dev/sdb2 is the swap on my HDD's. /dev/sdb1 is /boot and /dev/sdb3 is root. |
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| 03:33.51 | enouf | firebird619: revelation time? :-P |
| 03:34.21 | enouf | firebird619: you know what to do now |
| 03:34.25 | firebird619 | enouf: I found that out by starting the Partition Editor in the Ubuntu Live CD, which lists the partitions on my drives. |
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| 03:34.48 | enouf | firebird619: fdisk would've done fine |
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| 03:35.08 | jhanssen | Hi guys .. does anybody a website where I could check which application/version the unstable or experimental pack has ? |
| 03:35.24 | enouf | well .. you can tell by the size atleast - but file -s should tell you |
| 03:35.48 | firebird619 | enouf: firebird619: you know what to do now. ----> Take a Tylenol for the headache this problem has given me? :-D |
| 03:35.57 | enouf | or even blkid, etc |
| 03:36.18 | enouf | firebird619: how about some codeine for my tired fingers? |
| 03:36.30 | beardy | !pdo |
| 03:36.31 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:36.35 | beardy | jhanssen: ^^^ |
| 03:36.36 | enouf | firebird619: fsck your /boot |
| 03:36.56 | jhanssen | thanks :) |
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| 03:37.04 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. You'll have an RSI after helping me out today. |
| 03:37.34 | firebird619 | enouf: fsck on /boot is: /dev/sdb1: 36/24096 files (22.2% non-contiguous), 40776/96356 blocks |
| 03:37.40 | beardy | You're very welcome. |
| 03:38.34 | muddd | wow 22.2% |
| 03:39.04 | firebird619 | muddd: Is that really bad? |
| 03:39.24 | muddd | i've just never seen it that high before |
| 03:39.27 | muddd | on mine at least |
| 03:39.34 | jhanssen | beardy, have any idea why there's no sun-java6-jdk information ? |
| 03:39.36 | jhanssen | :/ |
| 03:39.38 | muddd | most on mine was like 2.2 or so |
| 03:39.55 | firebird619 | muddd: I guess my PC is an over achiever--going for the high numbers :) |
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| 03:40.18 | muddd | heh |
| 03:40.25 | firebird619 | muddd: How do I get that number lower? What command do I run to get it contiguous again. |
| 03:40.34 | jhanssen | beardy, never mind |
| 03:40.40 | enouf | firebird619: welp, time for the big test .. get busy |
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| 03:41.37 | muddd | um firebird619 I would just copy it onto another drive/partition and then copy it back. that usually takes care of it. There is no "defrag" that i know of but I dont even think that its gonna hurt you much the way it is |
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| 03:41.50 | firebird619 | enouf: As in trying those kernel params, etc. that you mentioned before? |
| 03:41.54 | firebird619 | muddd: Ok, thanks. |
| 03:41.55 | muddd | ext3 is awesome that way |
| 03:42.22 | enouf | firebird619: you'd copy off all data somewhere safe, then run dd using /dev/zero on that partition as large as it can make, then copy the data back over onto the partition - it's silly though, don't worry about it |
| 03:42.39 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. |
| 03:42.56 | firebird619 | enouf: My /boot is 100 MB |
| 03:43.17 | enouf | firebird619: just forget about it for now - and yes, try rebooting normally, since AFAICT, it's the 1st time you've been able to run fsck on your partitions |
| 03:43.57 | firebird619 | enouf: Try rebooting normally first, and if that doesn't work, try some of this kernel params? |
| 03:44.04 | firebird619 | *those |
| 03:44.04 | enouf | firebird619: right |
| 03:44.53 | enouf | firebird619: do not have external drives and such plugged in, just in case ;-) |
| 03:45.03 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I will go try that and see what happens. If smoke starts rolling out of it after all this, I am giving up. :) |
| 03:45.21 | firebird619 | enouf: I don't have any external hard drives at all, the only external thing is the external DVD burner. |
| 03:45.26 | enouf | firebird619: btw - is you ubuntu livecd booting/running from your external CD/DVD drive? |
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| 03:45.43 | firebird619 | enouf: No, It is booting/running from an internal drive. |
| 03:45.48 | enouf | ok |
| 03:45.53 | enouf | git |
| 03:45.57 | Cornmeal | Can anyone tell me how to solve a LILO error 1? |
| 03:46.38 | firebird619 | enouf: Will do, I will come back and let you know what happens with it. Hopefully the next time I am in here, it will be from my wonderful Debian Lenny system. |
| 03:46.58 | enouf | indeed |
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| 03:48.28 | backz | can I install the driver of VIA Chrome9 HC IGP WDDM in stable? |
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| 03:48.46 | backz | it's using VESA |
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| 03:50.34 | enouf | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-via |
| 03:50.34 | judd | enouf: xserver-xorg-video-via: 1:0.2.1-6 (etch) 1:0.2.2-6 (lenny) 1:0.2.2-6 (sid) |
| 03:51.01 | enouf | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
| 03:51.02 | judd | enouf: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome: 1:0.2.902+svn579-2 (lenny) 1:0.2.902+svn579-2 (sid) 1:0.2.902+svn579-3 (experimental) |
| 03:52.46 | enouf | !tell backz -about drxx |
| 03:53.06 | enouf | backz: run that, select 'via' for video when you get there |
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| 03:55.08 | backz | enouf: must I use framebuf from kernel? |
| 03:57.31 | enouf | backz: say no to framebuffer |
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| 03:59.16 | [gnubie] | anyone can tell me why i am getting this building a deb package problem? => http://paste.debian.net/18946/ |
| 03:59.37 | [gnubie] | i got the source deb package from testing and trying to build on etch |
| 03:59.51 | [gnubie] | anyone? thanks in advance.. ;) |
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| 04:01.56 | adb | asteriks is not in lenny ? |
| 04:02.09 | abrotman | it is |
| 04:02.21 | SOG | thanks abrotman, beardy Mouse is working now ha ha... now just need to change Video resolutiona and stuff, I guess I can figure that out :D |
| 04:02.24 | abrotman | and that same version IIRC |
| 04:02.32 | abrotman | SOG: so you said |
| 04:02.40 | SOG | verion 2 IRC ? |
| 04:02.59 | Cornmeal | So I read tar's f-ing manual, but I don't know what "file F" means. |
| 04:03.06 | Cornmeal | (-f) |
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| 04:06.18 | wols_ | Cornmeal: there is no such thing "file F" |
| 04:06.26 | wols_ | --file is another way to say -f |
| 04:06.39 | Cornmeal | Okay. |
| 04:06.49 | Cornmeal | I still don't understand what -f does. |
| 04:07.18 | avu | you use it to specify the file to work on |
| 04:07.20 | Cornmeal | Nevermind. |
| 04:07.22 | Cornmeal | I got it. |
| 04:07.28 | Cornmeal | Thanks, wols_ and avu |
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| 04:10.42 | Deiz | Is it possible to view a list of packages in order of installation date? |
| 04:11.45 | Ox15 | hi, somebody has a problem installing lenny in a intel core 2 duo + hdd ata + cd/dvd ide TSSTcorp? |
| 04:12.10 | simonrvn | why, you wanna help them? |
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| 04:12.49 | Ox15 | simonrvn: nop, i have this problem |
| 04:12.58 | Ox15 | simonrvn: sorry for my english |
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| 04:13.20 | SOG | is there I palce where I can search for apt-get softwares and drivers? I am looking for the driver for ATI Rage Mobility P/M Mach64 ... I know they don't have it on Debian Sarge though |
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| 04:13.46 | simonrvn | um, sarge isn't supported anymore |
| 04:14.19 | SOG | ya, I mean drivers for 4.0 but I know Sarge don't have the ATI Rage Mobility P/M Mach64 I wonder if 4.0 have it |
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| 04:14.55 | adb | SOG: do "cat /etc/debian_version " and "uname -a" |
| 04:15.22 | firebird619 | enouf: I have tried those kernel params, the other kernel I have installed, etc. but it still stops at the same thing. Am I doomed? |
| 04:15.43 | Ox15 | simonrvn: The problem is that the kernel does not recognize the cd/dvd device. |
| 04:15.43 | SOG | adb uses terminal ? |
| 04:15.54 | adb | sure |
| 04:16.11 | SOG | ya I have 4.0 |
| 04:16.29 | SOG | just looking for the ATI Rage Mobility P/M Mach64 driver |
| 04:16.31 | enouf | firebird619: wow - hrm, could try a BIOS upgrade - even same one, just reflash it |
| 04:16.57 | firebird619 | enouf: And if that doesn't work? :'( |
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| 04:17.50 | enouf | firebird619: start planning on revovery and replacing hardware - you can't get us the screen info you see when you boot and it hangs? |
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| 04:18.55 | maquis | hello. I am having a problem with debian that i haven't been able to figure out. Whenever i try to do anything with apt-get or aptitude, it tries to upgrade mercurial and mercurial-common, both of which fail. |
| 04:19.04 | maquis | I can't figure out how to tell it i don't want those packages. |
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| 04:19.18 | maquis | i found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491123 |
| 04:19.26 | firebird619 | enouf: How could I get it to you? What file is it stored in, etc. Would dmesg help at all? |
| 04:19.33 | maquis | but i can't tell from there what the solution to the problem is. |
| 04:19.35 | enouf | firebird619: although, i wonder if just a full fresh install might do the trick (again, not sure why the LiveCD works) , but that involves, redoing your /, and /boot i guess |
| 04:20.52 | Cornmeal | Can someone help me with a LILO error 1 during install? I'm on an Intel iMac Aluminum. |
| 04:20.55 | enouf | but your HDD might somehow be the issue, for whatever reasons, checked the cables lately? and jumpers on the drives? How about BIOS IDE config - make certain the params are correct for Multiword DMA, udma mode, LBA, etc |
| 04:20.58 | Ox15 | simonrvn: do not know if a generic_all_generic_ide=1 in the install boot prompt solve the problem? |
| 04:21.08 | firebird619 | enouf: Why wouldn't the LiveCD work. Do you mean because this problem is maybe caused by hardware that shouldn't be letting the Live CD work? |
| 04:21.25 | enouf | firebird619: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 04:21.29 | simonrvn | !tias |
| 04:21.29 | dpkg | methinks tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
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| 04:22.15 | enouf | firebird619: yeah, the livecd isn't dependent upon the HDDs working properly - nor (possible) other hardware |
| 04:22.42 | phish | I'm trying to install a package but now all of the sudden apt-get wants me to remove over 600mb of files. How do i avoid this? |
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| 04:23.34 | firebird619 | enouf: Do you know of a good place to get/download a Windows DOS floppy. I need one if I am going to try and flash the BIOS? |
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| 04:23.55 | craigevil | phish: try using aptitude, what are you trying to install? |
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| 04:24.08 | phish | libldap2 |
| 04:24.30 | adb | on etch ? |
| 04:24.37 | phish | lenny |
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| 04:25.12 | adb | is libldap2 in lenny ? |
| 04:25.18 | enouf | firebird619: you can use freedos |
| 04:25.24 | prickpocket | i installed debian 4.0r4 from cd, but i didn't install the Desktop Environment.. i'm trying to install make, but when i do ./configure it says "permission denied" |
| 04:25.30 | phish | adb: i don't think so, it's in the sarge repo though. |
| 04:25.34 | prickpocket | i'm as root |
| 04:25.38 | firebird619 | enouf: I got to thinking, I can just make one off of my windows pc. |
| 04:25.48 | enouf | right |
| 04:25.52 | craigevil | libldap2 isnt in sid, wtf would you try to install from sarge |
| 04:26.08 | phish | craigevel: i need the library >_> |
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| 04:27.05 | prickpocket | does anyone know why it says permission denied? |
| 04:27.21 | enouf | prickpocket: there;s no need to run ./configure on make - you apt-get install make |
| 04:27.30 | prickpocket | but my network isn't working |
| 04:27.33 | enouf | or also, install autotools |
| 04:27.42 | Ox15 | simonrvn: The dilemma is that the problem is not mine, one friend have this problem, and he told me that it may be happening. and wanted to know if someone else tube that problem to see what answer give. |
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| 04:27.56 | enouf | prickpocket: you also need a build environment |
| 04:28.02 | prickpocket | what's that? |
| 04:28.12 | jamesnvc | I'm having a problem with offlineimap on debian, vis-a-vis gmail, is this the right place to ask for help? |
| 04:28.28 | craigevil | phish: libldap-2.4-2 wont work? |
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| 04:29.06 | prickpocket | enouf i noticed that if i don't install the desktop environment there's no sudo and lots of other stuff like bzip2 and the like... |
| 04:29.09 | enouf | prickpocket: 2nd of all, ./configure shouldn't fail even as a user - you don't need root until installation time |
| 04:29.28 | enouf | prickpocket: right - along with build-essential |
| 04:29.43 | Cornmeal | Mebbe the permissions are set to 000? |
| 04:29.52 | Cornmeal | Probably not, but it's worth a shot. |
| 04:30.06 | enouf | nor possible -dev files, nor kernel -headers , nor many things - get some net yo |
| 04:30.17 | prickpocket | hm.. so i should just install desktop environment and stop being so stupid? |
| 04:30.17 | enouf | then apt-get install anything you want |
| 04:30.36 | prickpocket | but i need make, so that i can install the network card driver, so i can use apt-get |
| 04:30.45 | enouf | no, if you have net - you don't need anything |
| 04:31.04 | enouf | which netcard? |
| 04:31.06 | prickpocket | but i don't... i have to install the driver.. the r8169 doesn't work |
| 04:31.11 | prickpocket | realtek 8111/8169 |
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| 04:31.22 | enouf | Desktop isn't going to install a network card driver |
| 04:31.23 | prickpocket | i guess it works with the new 2.6.27 kernel |
| 04:31.47 | enouf | !rt8169 |
| 04:31.54 | enouf | !rtl8169 |
| 04:31.56 | prickpocket | sometimes also i try to use some things and it says it can't execute binary files or something like that |
| 04:31.59 | enouf | bah |
| 04:32.15 | enouf | !listvals 8169 |
| 04:32.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8169' by value returned no results. |
| 04:32.25 | Agiofws | hey enouf |
| 04:32.42 | enouf | Agiofws: hi |
| 04:33.12 | Agiofws | cool |
| 04:33.24 | jamesnvc | Anyone know where I should ask for help with offlineimap? Is this place acceptable? |
| 04:33.35 | jamesnvc | I can't see if it has it's own chan |
| 04:34.03 | phish | craigevil: i have that installed :/ |
| 04:34.18 | prickpocket | just ask.. if they don't like it they'll tell you =) |
| 04:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, just be a man and ask - we'll make sure to flame you if it's inappropriate ;) |
| 04:34.31 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh, alright |
| 04:35.01 | jamesnvc | I'm using offlineimap to back up my gmail to a local Maildir |
| 04:35.20 | backz | is xserver-xorg-video-openchrome only in testing ? |
| 04:35.29 | backz | I need it |
| 04:35.30 | jamesnvc | It's started crashing now with an EOF error on message 12243...regardless of what that message is |
| 04:35.32 | enouf | backz: yes |
| 04:35.43 | backz | enouf: VIA not working here. |
| 04:35.53 | enouf | backz: testing and unstable - and no you don't need it |
| 04:35.53 | backz | I think I need this xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
| 04:36.22 | enouf | backz: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 04:36.31 | craigevil | phish:libldap-2.4-2 Conflicts ldap-utils (<= 2.1.23-1), libldap2, that would probably be why apt wants to remove everything |
| 04:36.57 | enouf | prickpocket: throw a 5$ ethernet card in that thang? |
| 04:36.58 | craigevil | apt:/search?openldap |
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| 04:37.39 | prickpocket | well.. i don't feel like it |
| 04:37.43 | prickpocket | this motherboard is very new |
| 04:37.46 | prickpocket | it's cheap, but it's new |
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| 04:37.52 | phish | craigevil: is there anyway to avoid it breaking everything? |
| 04:37.53 | enouf | and a Piece of Shit |
| 04:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, if you updated it, did you check the BTS? |
| 04:38.07 | prickpocket | that's true, maybe you can get me a better job =P |
| 04:38.35 | enouf | for 5 dollah? |
| 04:38.46 | prickpocket | noo.. i have 5 dollars |
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| 04:39.24 | craigevil | phish: sorry i havent a clue, i just know how to search apt for packages :) |
| 04:39.29 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: BTS == bug tracking system? If so yeah, can't seem to find it on offlineimap's site...I'll try debian's |
| 04:39.31 | prickpocket | tell me, enouf, is it possible for a newbie to figure this things out without a DE? |
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| 04:39.52 | backz | enouf: VIA compatible controller, VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknow device |
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| 04:39.57 | enouf | no - keyword being newbie ;-P |
| 04:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, I meant debians.. also if you're on testing/unstable, perhaps you're the 1st :) |
| 04:40.20 | enouf | backz: run update-pciids as root |
| 04:40.28 | prickpocket | but i've learned to use VI already lol =P by myself! |
| 04:40.29 | enouf | backz: then run my lspci command again |
| 04:40.36 | craigevil | VIA video sucks anyway just use vesa |
| 04:40.46 | prickpocket | i know that if i can install the r8168 driver i have here, it WILL work |
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| 04:41.05 | enouf | no no no ........ newer Xorg needs update-pciids for Autoconfigure AFAICT |
| 04:41.19 | backz | enouf: Via Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] |
| 04:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, Debian often has it's own patches... and while they're generally meant to improve things, they can of course also introduce bugs (although, a crash is quite harsh) |
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| 04:41.39 | backz | enouf: If I try to compile it http://www.openchrome.org/releases/xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.903.tar.gz myself? |
| 04:41.43 | enouf | backz: that's not the output of the command i told you to run |
| 04:42.02 | enouf | backz: no , you said Etch earlier |
| 04:42.22 | wols_ | prickpocket: compiling the r8168 driver is a stupid idea |
| 04:42.29 | wols_ | prickpocket: the a etchnhalf kernel and be done |
| 04:42.31 | backz | enouf: I'm copying it to my notebook. I'm using stable |
| 04:42.32 | enouf | backz: you cannot, without upgrading your X, which means a newer libc6 |
| 04:42.35 | prickpocket | but it works, man |
| 04:42.51 | prickpocket | wols_ i tried etchnhalf yesterday... it didn't work |
| 04:42.52 | enouf | backz: stop |
| 04:42.53 | wols_ | prickpocket: if you want it, you are on your own. good day |
| 04:42.58 | backz | enouf: pl |
| 04:42.59 | backz | ok |
| 04:43.02 | craigevil | backz: you really dont need openchrome, xserver-xorg-video-via works, at least in lenny/sid |
| 04:43.05 | prickpocket | but it's night here |
| 04:43.11 | enouf | backz: or, just upgrade to lenny and do whatever you want |
| 04:43.32 | wols_ | prickpocket: you need megabytes of debian packages for a compiler, kernel headers, etc. |
| 04:43.33 | enouf | backz: run the drxx again now - and Via will work fine |
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| 04:43.59 | enouf | and .. i am not going to help you at all if you can't run some simple commands i give you |
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| 04:44.08 | backz | craigevil: I've configured xserver-xorg-video-via, but it's returning "No device found" when I start startx |
| 04:44.21 | backz | enouf: I'll try again |
| 04:44.26 | enouf | instead of all of a sudden - I try to compile... |
| 04:44.58 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: Hm, looks like my bug is something of a fusion of a couple of exisiting ones... |
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| 04:45.29 | backz | drxx suggests it is vesa driver. it's working, but it isnt perfect :( |
| 04:45.35 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 04:45.41 | enouf | backz: are you using Ubuntu or something? |
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| 04:45.45 | prickpocket | i still don't get why it says "permission denief" |
| 04:45.48 | prickpocket | denied* |
| 04:45.53 | enouf | is that why your fucken lspci is broken? |
| 04:46.10 | phish | How can i remove packages that are a part of gnome without killing my entire setup? |
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| 04:46.27 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 04:46.27 | dpkg | well, remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 04:46.30 | Tetracomm | I installed Debian, could you tell me at least one important repository so that I can get started? I can't seem to find any of the programs I want. |
| 04:46.34 | AlvaR0 | Hi guys. Tu upgrade to SID, the security lines on sources.list have to be commented, right? |
| 04:46.38 | wols_ | phish: where are those two conflicting packages from? |
| 04:46.51 | wols_ | !tell Tetracomm about mirrors |
| 04:46.55 | wols_ | !tell Tetracomm about sources.list |
| 04:47.02 | backz | enouf: it's debian stable |
| 04:47.22 | enouf | backz: so, why doesn't your lspci work? |
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| 04:47.28 | backz | enouf: ubuntu, in this machine, fucks the framebuffer when I try to load it |
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| 04:47.39 | backz | let my recopy my lspci again |
| 04:47.57 | wols_ | backz: FULL line |
| 04:48.01 | firebird619 | enouf: Well, flashing the BIOS didn't do anything either. Is recovery/replace the only other option now? |
| 04:48.05 | phish | wols_: well, if i wanted to remove "abiword" for instance. apt would say "oh hey, you're not getting rid of abiword without taking everything with it" |
| 04:48.10 | enouf | [00:36:07] <enouf> backz: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 04:48.24 | backz | enouf: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01) |
| 04:48.35 | enouf | firebird619: i don't know - i'm out of ideas for now with that - apologies |
| 04:48.51 | enouf | great |
| 04:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, are you using stable or testing/unstable? |
| 04:49.05 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: testing/unstable |
| 04:49.08 | enouf | the 1st time no fucken Device/VendorIDs |
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| 04:49.10 | backz | enouf: with -nn, it is: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] [1106:3371] (rev 01) |
| 04:49.18 | enouf | fucker |
| 04:49.33 | wols_ | backz: why are you unable to simply copy+paste? |
| 04:49.40 | firebird619 | enouf: No need to apologize, you have helped me out almost an entire day. Thank you for your help and patience. |
| 04:49.43 | backz | wols_: because this is another machine |
| 04:50.06 | backz | I'll put ssh on it |
| 04:50.09 | wols_ | backz: then you don't have the mental capacity to remember 8 chars? |
| 04:50.24 | backz | wols_: what 8 chars? |
| 04:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, if you're lucky, you have the last oldest version still in /var/cache/apt/archives/offlineim* - you could try to install that with dpkg -i and see if it goes away - if it does, file a bugreport against the new version of the package |
| 04:50.59 | backz | enouf: and now? |
| 04:51.23 | wols_ | backz: lspci -nn |
| 04:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, (supposing dependencies allow the downgrade, which they not always do) |
| 04:51.41 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, only have the newest version (6.0.3) |
| 04:52.11 | backz | wols_: I've ran it, then I write the output in this channel, stupid |
| 04:52.28 | enouf | backz: seems like you need i2c-viapro loaded as well - lsmod | grep i2c-viapro |
| 04:52.35 | wols_ | backz: provably wrong |
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| 04:53.28 | backz | enouf: i2c_viapro and i2c_core is in the list |
| 04:53.30 | AlvaR0 | Hi guys. Tu upgrade to SID, the security lines on sources.list have to be commented, right? |
| 04:54.04 | enouf | backz: ok, and if you run drxx again now, and select via then startx |
| 04:54.07 | wols_ | AlvaR0: it's a bad sign if someone who wants to run sid has to ask this |
| 04:54.19 | AlvaR0 | xD |
| 04:54.38 | AlvaR0 | ok, don't answer then :D |
| 04:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | james, then you can probably get them from the archives at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 04:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamesnvc, ^^ |
| 04:55.28 | Tetracomm | Which repository do I add to get Pidgin? |
| 04:55.40 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: unlikely. hasn't been kept up to date lately |
| 04:55.51 | wols_ | !Pidgin |
| 04:55.51 | dpkg | i heard pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
| 04:56.51 | Tetracomm | !backports.org |
| 04:56.51 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 04:57.05 | wols_ | !tell Tetracomm about msgthebot |
| 04:57.10 | jamesnvc | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks...actually though, looking at it's logs, it appears to be an issue on the imap end... |
| 04:57.13 | jamesnvc | Huh |
| 04:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, :( I had my doubt about testing versions anyways |
| 04:57.19 | jamesnvc | Maybe I'll just switch to fetchmail |
| 04:57.32 | enouf | firebird619: i can only maybe guess something now - hang on |
| 04:57.41 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. |
| 04:58.08 | enouf | firebird619: were you playing with suspend/resume/hibernate or any of that lately? |
| 04:58.18 | firebird619 | enouf: No, I wasn't. |
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| 04:59.12 | firebird619 | enouf: Wait, a few days ago, I accidently hit the, I think the suspend key on my keyboard. |
| 04:59.40 | backz | enouf: why it is working with vesa? look, this notebook cames with Windows Vista, but there are another vendors (in my Country) selling it with an own linux distro. I've get the original xorg .conf from vendor, look: http://paste.debian.net/18966/. It's using vesa as driver |
| 04:59.49 | enouf | firebird619: your keyboard has a suspend key? |
| 04:59.54 | firebird619 | enouf: What ever key it is with a picture of a moon and a z on it. |
| 05:00.09 | enouf | ... |
| 05:00.25 | firebird619 | enouf: My one keyboard has that moon on it, and my other keyboard has a sleep key on it. |
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| 05:01.01 | firebird619 | enouf: what do those keys represent, is it hibernate instead of suspend? |
| 05:01.08 | enouf | firebird619: try this, boot the livecd and comment out the swap line in your /etc/fstab |
| 05:01.27 | enouf | firebird619: i have no idea |
| 05:01.49 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I am already on the Live CD. I will comment out the swap line. What will that do? Just curious. |
| 05:02.20 | enouf | firebird619: mount it, cd /mnt/point/etc ; nano fstab ;-) |
| 05:02.42 | firebird619 | enouf: Did that already, have it commented. Now what? |
| 05:03.06 | enouf | firebird619: look. if you can swapoff ; dd if=/dev/zero ... ; mkswap ; swapon |
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| 05:03.48 | enouf | firebird619: well, try and reboot - i'm going on a hunch that the system is trying to resume from a previous suspend |
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| 05:04.06 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, just wondering. I will do that as root I assume, but if I run those commands, won't it do that on the LiveCD instead of my HDD. |
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| 05:04.56 | enouf | firebird619: not if you adjust the dd command for the correct partition - however, recall that ubuntu thinks your swap is in use? |
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| 05:06.06 | enouf | firebird619: i purposefully left out portions of those commands, for a) to be brief, and b) for safety in case you misunderstood |
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| 05:06.55 | enouf | firebird619: listen, i gotta go - see what others can tell you and also hitup google about it some |
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| 05:07.22 | firebird619 | enouf: so, to clarify, first I run swapoff then dd if=/dev/zero /dev/sda2, then run mkswap and then run swapon? |
| 05:08.11 | enouf | firebird619: you might even try fully reinstalling grub, though .. hrm .. can't really see that being the issue - but you never know .. i can't tell if it's hanging trying to find stage2 or if your initrd went missing or what |
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| 05:09.22 | enouf | firebird619: close - "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2" be CERTAIN sda2 is your swap! |
| 05:09.25 | wols | if grub can't find stage2 it will speak out VERY CLEARLY :) |
| 05:09.41 | enouf | firebird619: and you need to pass mkswap /dev/sda2 |
| 05:09.51 | firebird619 | enouf: the swapoff command on the live CD asks for disable all swaps or disable given swap. Do I want to specify my /dev/sda2 swap |
| 05:09.54 | enouf | wols: yeah, right - duh .. i'm tired |
| 05:10.19 | firebird619 | enouf: According to fstab, /dev/sda2 is swap. Is there another way to double check? |
| 05:10.28 | enouf | firebird619: yes, i bet that's all as well - i usually use swapoff -a anywat |
| 05:10.37 | enouf | now - i must go |
| 05:10.39 | wols | firebird619: you still have the setting clock problem? |
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| 05:11.18 | firebird619 | wols: Yes. That is the point at which startup stops and then if I let it sit for a few minutes, the pc just restarts. |
| 05:11.47 | wols | easy: add --directisa to hwclock as a parameter |
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| 05:12.16 | firebird619 | wols: Sorry, but how exactly would I do that? |
| 05:13.28 | wols | edit the script |
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| 05:14.13 | wols | boot a live cd and make hwclock script not run, then reboot to lenny and to hwclcok --directisa to tes it first |
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| 05:15.53 | firebird619 | wols: :) Where is the script located. I am on a live cd right now. I am unable to boot complete to a desktop with lenny because of it stopping when it gets to this time thing, or do you mean if I make the hwclock script not run, I will be able to boot to lenny? |
| 05:16.25 | wols | locate hwclock |grep etc |
| 05:16.41 | wols | only remove the links and remember where they were so you can put them back |
| 05:18.16 | firebird619 | wols: Beings I am on a live cd, how would I run the command so that it searches my HDD instead of the FS of the live cd? |
| 05:19.21 | firebird619 | wols: Also, how do I only remove the links, know which are links, etc. I am sorry, but I am not used to doing this type of stuff as far as editing params, messing with scripts, etc. |
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| 05:20.40 | wols | chroot to the live cd |
| 05:20.50 | wols | and you check if something is a link first |
| 05:20.55 | wols | and you leanr about sysvinit |
| 05:20.57 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 05:20.57 | dpkg | sysvinit is, like, zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 05:22.12 | firebird619 | wols: I found an 00hwclock file in /etc/apm/resume.d/. How do I tell if that is a link? Does the color of it in the terminal help at all as to if it is a link or not? |
| 05:22.37 | wols | read what dpkg just said and learn |
| 05:22.54 | wols | and apm is power management |
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| 05:23.45 | raekism_ | !kde |
| 05:23.45 | dpkg | hmm... kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 05:24.23 | raekism_ | !install kde |
| 05:24.23 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 05:29.34 | Deiz | Hmm |
| 05:29.48 | Deiz | I had apache1.3 and 2.2 installed, which was causing problems, so I removed 1.3. |
| 05:29.50 | backz | how I start system without run scripts from init.d? my gdm is crashing my screen, I need to remove xorg.conf first |
| 05:30.00 | Deiz | However, now I'm automatically redirected to /apache2-default/index.html |
| 05:30.03 | Deiz | Instead of /index.html |
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| 05:30.37 | Deiz | So, how can I get apache2 to have /var/www/index.html as its start page? |
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| 05:39.15 | lymeca | So I'm installing Etch with the intention of upgrading to sid soon after. I want to set up encrypted LVM2 for everything except /boot |
| 05:39.39 | lymeca | I know the option exists to "use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" |
| 05:40.41 | lymeca | But this is guided |
| 05:40.54 | lymeca | I would like to fine-tune my encryption options |
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| 05:42.10 | lymeca | And then I would like to choose the size of the encrypted logical volumes in the LVM2 physical device |
| 05:42.49 | lymeca | I would like a 20GB / partition and 5 GB swap and the rest to be /home and I want them all in the encrypted LVM2 except for the /bot partition at the beginning |
| 05:43.11 | lymeca | So how can I work with d-i to get this and so I can also configure encryption options? |
| 05:43.20 | lymeca | I'm guessing Manual is necessary? |
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| 05:45.46 | akio | hello |
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| 05:47.56 | piper69 | guys anyone here using etch was able to install virtualbox |
| 05:47.57 | akio | i have lenny updated from netinst and i was trying to stay away from installing any gnome stuff, i was wondering what i need to do to use network-manager as a normal user |
| 05:49.04 | Deiz | How can I get apache2 to have /var/www/index.html as its start page, instead of /apache2-default/index.html? |
| 05:49.36 | akio | im connected launching as root |
| 05:50.30 | akio | when i launch nm-applet as my user it says the policy in the configuration file does not allow it |
| 05:50.39 | akio | don't know where that file is |
| 05:51.59 | mac123 | hello guys i am using a server with debian etch i was transfering a file 8gb in size by ftp but it seems it downloaded more then 8gb and the file got corrupted i am using pure-ftpd is there a solution for to transfer larger files thru FTP |
| 05:53.08 | piper69 | how can i use wget to download and install .deb file |
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| 05:53.57 | akio | and the answer is: gpasswd -a "username" netdev (thank you) |
| 05:57.04 | Cholito | 'kcmshell filetypes' launches KDE's filetype manager althou I use gnome. the weird thing is that I have neither 'kcmshell' nor 'filetypes', how is that? =S |
| 05:57.24 | Cholito | have *installed* |
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| 06:05.18 | backz | I've an abnt2 keyboard |
| 06:05.25 | backz | but it have "Fn" key |
| 06:05.37 | piper69 | synaptic is giving me error - #flood |
| 06:05.47 | backz | the Fn key isn't working. how I set up it? |
| 06:06.31 | Cholito | pipegeek, 'no such file or directory' |
| 06:06.57 | pipegeek | hehe, well, hi there |
| 06:07.10 | Cholito | hi :) |
| 06:07.28 | piper69 | Cholito: yes |
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| 06:08.39 | bewpy | is there a terminal command or any other way to see the specs of my comp |
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| 06:10.19 | pipegeek | bewpy: what in particular are you looking to find out: |
| 06:10.37 | pipegeek | bewpy: lspci will list your pci cards... 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you about your processor |
| 06:10.39 | mhymn | bewpy: 'dmidecode' or 'hwinfo' or 'lspci' and so on |
| 06:10.45 | piper69 | how do i know what /msg Cholito |
| 06:10.50 | piper69 | wtf |
| 06:10.55 | pipegeek | heh |
| 06:11.18 | piper69 | how do i know what /msg Cholito |
| 06:11.18 | bewpy | my video card |
| 06:11.23 | piper69 | dudeeee |
| 06:11.28 | piper69 | lol |
| 06:11.39 | piper69 | my keyboard like u |
| 06:12.12 | pipegeek | bewpy: in that case, lspci |
| 06:12.15 | Cholito | SHE loves me ;) |
| 06:12.21 | piper69 | how do i know which architicture i am running? |
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| 06:13.06 | bewpy | hmm, does that give me the mb's on the card? |
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| 06:13.44 | c0de2 | hi out there |
| 06:13.46 | pipegeek | piper69: uname -p will tell you whether you're running 32- or 64-bit debian (i686/amd64); /proc/cpuinfo will tell you what your actual processor is your actual processor is |
| 06:14.02 | pipegeek | howdy |
| 06:14.04 | c0de2 | anyone here willing to answer questions? :) |
| 06:14.23 | superfirelord42 | !ask |
| 06:14.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:14.47 | c0de2 | it's about /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:15.02 | c0de2 | i want to configure wireless in there |
| 06:15.17 | c0de2 | is it possible to do this in this file? |
| 06:15.28 | c0de2 | and: what options do i have? |
| 06:15.45 | superfirelord42 | what type of card is it? |
| 06:15.50 | c0de2 | ralink |
| 06:15.58 | c0de2 | eeepc :) |
| 06:16.08 | bewpy | pipegeek, how can i get the exact info about my video card? like the Mb's and what not |
| 06:16.09 | pipegeek | c0de2: yep. check out 'man interfaces' and 'man iwconfig': |
| 06:16.24 | streuner_ | c0de2: did |
| 06:16.25 | piper69 | !tell piper69 paste |
| 06:16.38 | streuner_ | c0de2: did you read the README about? |
| 06:16.58 | Cholito | piper69, /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:17.04 | piper69 | lol is pastebin.ca oos |
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| 06:17.12 | streuner_ | !listvals ralink |
| 06:17.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ralink' by value (15 of 19): awlh3026t ;; dwa110 ;; f5d7050 ;; firmware-ralink ;; flavio ;; ralink firmware ;; rt2500 ;; rt2570 ;; rt28xx ;; rt2x00 ;; rt2x00 firmware ;; rt61 ;; rt73 ;; rt73 firmware ;; wl167g. |
| 06:17.28 | superfirelord42 | hmmm, never seen that feature of dpkg before.... |
| 06:17.44 | Cholito | neither did I |
| 06:17.46 | pipegeek | nifty |
| 06:17.51 | streuner_ | /msg dpkg help |
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| 06:18.27 | c0de2 | so every option starts with the "wireless-"prefix and then the standard iwconfig-option? |
| 06:18.37 | pipegeek | yep |
| 06:18.48 | pipegeek | wireless-essid, etc |
| 06:18.49 | bewpy | i take that as a no pipegeek ? |
| 06:18.58 | c0de2 | ok thats easy :) |
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| 06:19.02 | c0de2 | thanks! |
| 06:19.11 | streuner_ | ralink uses its own ways to configure, IIRC |
| 06:19.23 | pipegeek | bewpy: not off the top of my head, and a quick google search. But the thing about this (and other) channels is, if somebody doesn't know the answer, they'll tend not to respond |
| 06:19.33 | pipegeek | sorry |
| 06:19.38 | pipegeek | c0de2: np |
| 06:19.52 | piper69 | can someone please take a look and tell me what i am doing wrong ?http://paste.debian.net/18969/ |
| 06:19.55 | bewpy | well, itd be easier on both of us if you just would say that in the beginning.. that you dont know |
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| 06:20.10 | bewpy | but thanks anyways |
| 06:20.36 | Cholito | piper69, Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 06:20.52 | Cholito | using synaptics? |
| 06:21.02 | Cholito | *synaptic |
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| 06:21.31 | cahoot | bewpy: already tried dmidecode? |
| 06:22.03 | pipegeek | bewpy: check out the -v option to lspci. And read the man page ;) |
| 06:22.22 | pipegeek | I hate telling people to do that, but it's all I'm doing :P |
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| 06:23.02 | piper69 | Cholito: yes i have synaptics running |
| 06:23.14 | Cholito | then you cannot use cli |
| 06:23.25 | Cholito | either cli or synaptic |
| 06:23.49 | bewpy | thanks guys |
| 06:24.00 | bewpy | cahoot, , and pipegeek thanks |
| 06:24.03 | pipegeek | np |
| 06:25.24 | piper69 | Cholito: now i get this "W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 06:25.41 | Cholito | that's because: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available |
| 06:25.49 | piper69 | :) |
| 06:25.51 | backz | how I set up Realtek RTL8187B Wireless 802.11b/g 54MBps USB 2.0 ? |
| 06:25.52 | Cholito | ;) |
| 06:26.05 | Cholito | check if you can download and install the public key ;) |
| 06:26.11 | piper69 | Cholito: i couldn't install key ring |
| 06:26.14 | backz | it's not showed in lspci, but in lsusb :D |
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| 06:28.08 | Cholito | piper69, why not? |
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| 06:28.38 | mridul | hi |
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| 06:28.41 | pipegeek | piper69: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 06:28.47 | piper69 | Cholito: i need help , is it just as simple as apt-get install gnome-gpg |
| 06:28.58 | piper69 | pipegeek: thank you |
| 06:29.01 | mridul | I am facing a unique problem with my sata driver |
| 06:29.01 | pipegeek | np :) |
| 06:29.05 | Cholito | piper69, or what pipegeek says ;) |
| 06:29.18 | Cholito | mridul, which is.......... |
| 06:29.21 | superfirelord42 | mridul, what would that be? |
| 06:29.27 | piper69 | Cholito: thank you |
| 06:29.29 | mridul | anybody used lenny 2.6.26 on amd64 and had any problems with sata |
| 06:29.29 | superfirelord42 | ack, Cholito beat me to it... |
| 06:29.45 | mridul | it doesn't boot up if i power on the system |
| 06:29.45 | Cholito | superfirelord42, ;) hehe |
| 06:29.54 | mridul | i need to go into windows first and then do a reboot |
| 06:30.01 | mridul | then only it recognises my drives |
| 06:30.04 | Cholito | piper69, you are welcome, de nada, macht nichts =P |
| 06:30.29 | Cholito | mridul, you mean grub? |
| 06:30.34 | mridul | yups!!! |
| 06:30.48 | mridul | Cholito! yups |
| 06:31.04 | Cholito | so, if your turn the pc down, then you have to boot into windows and then reboot to get into Debian? |
| 06:31.19 | mridul | Cholito, yeas pretty much the same |
| 06:31.26 | Cholito | holly wacamole :S |
| 06:31.31 | piper69 | Cholito: shorkan(arabic) , Espaseba(Russian), Tekaniess(greek) |
| 06:31.42 | Cholito | ?? |
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| 06:31.54 | Cholito | mridul, did that always hapen? |
| 06:32.01 | mridul | Cholito!! he he he.... yes I know... now the problem is how do I record log and send it to debian guys |
| 06:32.17 | mridul | cuz drives are not recognised so I can't save the problematic log |
| 06:32.25 | mridul | Cholito... always!! |
| 06:32.44 | Cholito | did you tried to update your bios? |
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| 06:32.52 | Cholito | (just in case...) |
| 06:32.53 | superfirelord42 | hmm, mridul does it not work regardless of the last os you where in if you did a cold boot? |
| 06:33.02 | mridul | Cholito... how do I do it? |
| 06:33.17 | Cholito | superfirelord42, you have to reboot from windows so grub can see the drive :S |
| 06:33.24 | Cholito | mridul, never mind... |
| 06:33.40 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, yeah, i was actualy thinking along the bios line... thinking maybe the bios was not giving it to grub right from a cold boot |
| 06:33.41 | Cholito | mridul, how do you have the boot config in the BIOS? |
| 06:34.14 | mridul | superfirelord42... if I am running lenny then also doing a reboot is fine... that is to say I need to get sata working first through windows then any number of reboots and any sequence of OS is fine |
| 06:34.19 | Cholito | mridul, what happens if you REBOOT Debian? do you see grub? |
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| 06:34.36 | mridul | Cholito, yeah I do see grub |
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| 06:34.45 | Cholito | then it¡s a cold boot.... |
| 06:34.51 | Cholito | THAT is weird.... |
| 06:34.54 | mridul | it hangs after some time saying SATA link is not up, SRST failed(error -16) |
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| 06:35.05 | superfirelord42 | mridul, so basicly, as long as you boot windows first from a cold boot, software resets will work fine? |
| 06:35.09 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 06:35.23 | Tetracomm | I can't write to my FAT32 partitions in Debian Etch, help? |
| 06:35.23 | mridul | Cholito boot config is sata drives first, DVD drive sencond.. |
| 06:35.51 | mridul | superfirelord42 yes!! it works fine |
| 06:36.03 | Cholito | geez.... |
| 06:36.24 | Cholito | Tetracomm, paste your fstab (not here....) |
| 06:36.27 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: how are you mounting 'em? |
| 06:36.31 | pipegeek | heh, what Cholito said |
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| 06:36.45 | mridul | Tetracomm did you mount it read only in your fstab? |
| 06:36.49 | Tetracomm | I had to use sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /media/DW-1 |
| 06:36.52 | pipegeek | aha |
| 06:37.27 | pipegeek | fat32 doesn't store file permissions, so you have to specify the permissions for every file and folder on the drive at mount time. If you don't, it assumes you want read-only. |
| 06:37.54 | pipegeek | mount -t vfat -o dmask=022,fmask=133 or somesuch |
| 06:38.01 | mridul | cholito, superfirelord42.... how do I record the problematic boot log? Is there any way? |
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| 06:38.07 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, i am thinking you where close with the bios... on cold boot, maybe the drives are not spinning up as much or the controller is taking longer than normall to start or something weird like that.. |
| 06:38.17 | Tetracomm | http://pastebin.com/d5e6aad32 |
| 06:38.29 | Cholito | mridul, actually there is no way to record that kind of behaivour :S |
| 06:38.29 | superfirelord42 | and maybe windows for some reason recoginzes it differently and when you do a software reboot, it works fine |
| 06:38.46 | mridul | Cholito... :-( |
| 06:38.48 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: forgot to direct that last comment at you |
| 06:38.55 | Cholito | superfirelord42, what if he waits like 3 mins in the bios? |
| 06:39.07 | pipegeek | mridul---except by hand. At what point does the error show up? |
| 06:39.13 | Cholito | so the disks get a little bit warmer =S |
| 06:39.13 | mridul | superfirelord42... I tried a patch supplied u kernel guys for sata_nv |
| 06:39.16 | mridul | but it didn't work |
| 06:39.45 | mridul | pipegeek.... it shows up after loading intraramfs and couple of modules |
| 06:39.46 | pipegeek | oh, sorry, never mind |
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| 06:40.16 | pipegeek | ooo, hey, I may have actually experienced this, hold on |
| 06:40.18 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, not sure.... it could be something with how the bios resets the disks differently on a cold boot vs a soft boot. i think you where close with the bios update... |
| 06:40.52 | Cholito | yeap, but it might be that the mobo breaks... |
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| 06:40.59 | superfirelord42 | mridul, is this a prebuilt machine like a dell or something put together peice by peice |
| 06:41.01 | superfirelord42 | ? |
| 06:41.10 | mridul | pipegeek... any input is welcome!! :-) actually I don't want the lenny get stabel with this problem... I would be stuck with it for at least one yar... ;-) |
| 06:41.18 | bewpy | hey sorry for the noob questions.. im new to linux(which is pretty obvious) but can someone inform me on the apt-get to get mozzila? |
| 06:41.28 | bewpy | i looked through apt-cache and theres just so many idk what to use |
| 06:41.37 | bewpy | mozilla* |
| 06:41.37 | mridul | superfirelord42 I built it |
| 06:41.41 | superfirelord42 | bewpy, we where all linux noobs at one time... |
| 06:41.45 | pipegeek | mridul: any idea what your sata controller is? |
| 06:41.58 | mridul | pipegeek... it's nvidia |
| 06:42.15 | bewpy | yeah i know, i just feel dumb askin lol |
| 06:42.17 | superfirelord42 | mridul, hmmm, do you know if you have the latest bios version? |
| 06:42.27 | pipegeek | model number would help if you can find it |
| 06:42.28 | superfirelord42 | bewpy, we all where linux noobs at one point |
| 06:42.29 | mridul | 00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SATA Controller (rev a2) |
| 06:42.29 | mridul | 00:0e.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SATA Controller (rev a2) |
| 06:42.29 | mridul | 00:0e.2 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SATA Controller (rev a2) |
| 06:42.34 | pipegeek | cool, thanks |
| 06:42.35 | mridul | this is lspci log |
| 06:42.46 | pipegeek | bewpy: no prob :) sure |
| 06:42.52 | mridul | superfirelord42... ok I will try to do so |
| 06:43.07 | mridul | sorry I will try to check so |
| 06:43.08 | mridul | :-) |
| 06:43.12 | pipegeek | bewpy: sudo aptitude install firefox |
| 06:43.19 | superfirelord42 | mridul, ok.. scared me for a second there.... hahaha |
| 06:43.33 | pipegeek | bewpy: to search the apt cache for a package, do 'apt-cache search <packagename>' |
| 06:43.35 | superfirelord42 | thought you where about to take apart the computer on me. |
| 06:43.48 | mridul | superfirelord42... hahaha... yeah i thought you already asked me to check it... :-) |
| 06:44.01 | mridul | ha ha ha... :-D |
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| 06:44.10 | bewpy | yeah i did.. i put mozilla.. and ALOT of stuff came up lol |
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| 06:44.22 | bewpy | but thanks pipegeek, sudo aptitude install firefox worked |
| 06:44.31 | MrBobBar1er | is it just me or has sid not had a new packages for some time? |
| 06:44.52 | pipegeek | awesome |
| 06:44.58 | pipegeek | mridul: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/485464 |
| 06:45.21 | craigevil | MrBobBar1er: not much happens in sid when testing is frozen, there have been a few updates this week |
| 06:46.21 | pipegeek | not *useful*, I realize, but potentially informative |
| 06:46.37 | superfirelord42 | hmm, pipegeek this caught my attention in the report |
| 06:46.38 | superfirelord42 | [ 9.729091] ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=-19 |
| 06:46.55 | Tetracomm | No one can help? |
| 06:46.58 | superfirelord42 | if mridul is getting similar messages, it would confirm what I think |
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| 06:47.07 | superfirelord42 | Tetracomm, what is the media on, a floppy? |
| 06:47.08 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: didn't I? |
| 06:47.18 | Tetracomm | No. |
| 06:47.18 | mridul | superfirelord42 pipegeek... yeah it's pretty much same for me also... |
| 06:47.32 | Tetracomm | I want it to work without me typing in commands every time I start the machine. |
| 06:47.32 | mridul | and the patch i applied was also for sata_nv |
| 06:47.42 | pipegeek | right. Looks like it may have been a bug with kernel 2.6.26.3, fixed in .5 |
| 06:47.48 | pipegeek | according to: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=54987 |
| 06:47.49 | mridul | and yeah I didn't have this problem in etch! |
| 06:48.11 | superfirelord42 | hmm, could try to install a 2.6.26.5 kernel, but you will probably have to compile from kernel sources |
| 06:48.13 | pipegeek | mridul: try a different kernel version if you can. You can boot off a livecd if need be, then mount your root partition and chroot to it |
| 06:48.27 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: oh. Well, in that case, check out your /etc/fstab |
| 06:48.37 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: sorry, I thought you wanted to know how to mount the thing read/write |
| 06:48.57 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: man fstab |
| 06:48.58 | mridul | pipegeek, superfirelord42 ... Thanx... I will try it also... |
| 06:49.04 | pipegeek | np. Good luck :) |
| 06:49.18 | Tetracomm | I don't know how to fix fstab. |
| 06:49.20 | superfirelord42 | mridul, yeah, dont bother with chroot, just boot into debian using the same trick you have been using |
| 06:49.30 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: again, check out the man page; it may be useful |
| 06:49.37 | mridul | anygood link on how to compile the kernel from source... I have done it on the code provided by debian |
| 06:49.49 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: how does the line in /etc/fstab for that drive currently read? |
| 06:50.17 | Cholito | BIOS update |
| 06:50.30 | Tetracomm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vCmx87dO8 |
| 06:50.31 | Tetracomm | oops |
| 06:50.37 | Tetracomm | http://pastebin.com/d5e6aad32 |
| 06:50.46 | superfirelord42 | mridul, the README included in the zip file says pretty good instructions... although I recommend you base your config on your old config.. |
| 06:50.46 | bewpy | pipegeek, may i ask one more question? then i gotta go to sleep |
| 06:50.47 | Cholito | let's see...... |
| 06:50.47 | mridul | cholito... should BIOS have a problem cuz the same mchine worked perfectly fine on etch |
| 06:51.04 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, we think its a bug fixed in a newer kernel, let me find that link, hold on |
| 06:51.14 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/485464 |
| 06:51.16 | pipegeek | mridul: you may not need to. In the short term, you could try installing kernel 2.6.24 from etchnhalf |
| 06:51.17 | bewpy | sorta the same problem.. use the apt-cache search flash.. but theres so many, idk what to use =/.. i need to install flash for mozilla now |
| 06:51.17 | mridul | superfirelord42... OK yeah I try to save my old config and reuse it... |
| 06:51.19 | superfirelord42 | he was getting a similar error |
| 06:51.26 | Cholito | Tetracomm, looks like a game ST ;) |
| 06:51.58 | pipegeek | mridul: just download the .deb from packages.debian.org, and install it with dpkg -i linux-image-blah-blah-blah.deb |
| 06:52.09 | pipegeek | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 06:52.12 | Cholito | mridul, uname -r |
| 06:52.15 | pipegeek | once you've got the system booted, that is |
| 06:52.36 | mridul | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 06:52.46 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: Oh, I'm a doofus. Didn't notice you'd already posted your fstab |
| 06:52.50 | mridul | pipegeek... lemme do it and report it back here... :-) |
| 06:53.13 | pipegeek | good luck :) |
| 06:53.22 | superfirelord42 | good luck mridul |
| 06:53.28 | Cholito | oh, installing etch 1/2? |
| 06:53.34 | mridul | thanx a lot guys!! Cholito, superfirelord42, pipegeek... |
| 06:53.45 | Cholito | de nada :) |
| 06:53.48 | mridul | Cholito.. yeah!! any problem in that kernekl? |
| 06:54.18 | Cholito | no idea, using unstable here |
| 06:54.50 | superfirelord42 | Tetracomm, which one is the fat32 device? |
| 06:54.51 | mridul | CHolito... he he he... I think I can't imagine having sid on my PC after this problem... |
| 06:55.00 | Tetracomm | hda5 and hda6 |
| 06:55.12 | superfirelord42 | yeah, they are not even in the fstab... |
| 06:55.14 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: So, each line of /etc/fstab describes a single device and lists where it should be mounted and how. The options are the same as the ones I mentioned above for 'mount', more or less (which you can read about in greater depth in 'man mount' and 'man fstab'). But, the device (in your case, /dev/hda5) goes first |
| 06:55.24 | superfirelord42 | lets see.. im going to edit your pastebin... |
| 06:55.27 | pipegeek | then the mount point (/media/DW-1) |
| 06:55.33 | Cholito | mridul, I haven't had such problem |
| 06:55.53 | Tetracomm | Yes, please edit it for me. :) |
| 06:55.54 | pipegeek | then the filesystem type (that is, the part that goes after -t in a call to mount, in this case, 'vfat') |
| 06:56.01 | superfirelord42 | imma let pipegeek handle this... |
| 06:56.05 | superfirelord42 | steps back |
| 06:56.09 | Cholito | I was actually using testing, but I wanted to use a package that was only in unstable so I switched...and NOW I remember that I never installed that package =S |
| 06:56.13 | pipegeek | then any remaining options (which go after -o in a call to mount.... I specified some you should look at above) |
| 06:56.22 | pipegeek | then the final two fields should just be set 0 |
| 06:57.01 | pipegeek | hehe, sorry for blabbing on---I was scrolled up to look at what his mount command was, didn't see your posts |
| 06:57.01 | mridul | Cholito... :-) :-) |
| 06:57.19 | Cholito | hehe |
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| 06:59.30 | laberdaba | hi |
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| 06:59.46 | pipegeek | Tetracomm: to check if you've got it right, run 'mount /media/DW-1' with no other options (it should automatically read what it needs from fstab, if it's there) |
| 06:59.51 | pipegeek | howdy |
| 07:00.02 | superfirelord42 | !hi | laberdaba |
| 07:00.09 | superfirelord42 | oops, i think i did that wrong |
| 07:00.12 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
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| 07:00.20 | laberdaba | how can I enable the shutdown button in the desktop menu in gnome? there is no applet I could find to do a shutdown. do I have to write a script on my own? |
| 07:00.36 | laberdaba | hi everybody! |
| 07:01.49 | mhymn | use KDE :) |
| 07:02.29 | superfirelord42 | pipegeek, did Tetracomm get it working, or just give up? |
| 07:02.30 | Cholito | laberdaba, that script would have only 3 lines =S |
| 07:02.42 | pipegeek | laberdaba: you certainly shouldn't have to write a script ;) There *should* be a lock/logout applet... |
| 07:02.47 | Cholito | laberdaba, anyways, you CAN shutdown the pc |
| 07:02.59 | Cholito | piper69, there is ;) |
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| 07:03.24 | Cholito | enjoy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerivoa/2926040591/ |
| 07:03.31 | pipegeek | superfirelord42: I don't know :( I hope I didn't scare him/her off |
| 07:03.32 | piper69 | ? |
| 07:04.14 | superfirelord42 | pipegeek, hahah, i doubt it... if anyone scared him off, it was me... :-) |
| 07:04.24 | pipegeek | siiiigh |
| 07:04.42 | pipegeek | mhymn: I'm actually on an ubuntu box right now---where the applet is called "Quit..." |
| 07:04.48 | pipegeek | err, meant to send that to laberdaba |
| 07:05.12 | superfirelord42 | didnt see that |
| 07:05.18 | pipegeek | hmm |
| 07:05.23 | pipegeek | odd |
| 07:05.38 | pipegeek | Darn, none of the debian machines here has x installed, much less gnome |
| 07:05.39 | mhymn | pipegeek: and what about the desktop menu? |
| 07:05.41 | Cholito | lol |
| 07:05.58 | pipegeek | oooh, sorry, I'm a doof |
| 07:06.11 | pipegeek | yeah, on that count, they may be out of luck |
| 07:06.21 | mhymn | and that was what he asked |
| 07:06.26 | pipegeek | yup |
| 07:06.29 | pipegeek | sorry, person |
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| 07:06.35 | mhymn | np dude |
| 07:06.40 | laberdaba | pipegeek: lock and logout are the options but no shutdown |
| 07:07.02 | laberdaba | Cholito: 3 lines are not much but why isnt there a "native" way! |
| 07:07.13 | Cholito | laberdaba, there is |
| 07:07.35 | pipegeek | laberdaba: just for clarity's sake, do you want a shutdown option in the menu you get by right-clicking on the desktop, or do you want a shutdown button on your taskbar? |
| 07:07.37 | craigevil | even gnome has a logout applet |
| 07:07.52 | Cholito | in spanish there is an applet for the gnome bar which is called "shut down" |
| 07:08.05 | pipegeek | in the former case, you're probably sol, but in the latter case... I'm looking at my shutdown button right now |
| 07:08.18 | superfirelord42 | i think the english one combines it all in the log out button, it has options for them all |
| 07:08.25 | pipegeek | yeah |
| 07:09.08 | Cholito | yeah, it's called: "button that shuts down, reboots, logs out and kills your computer" |
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| 07:09.20 | pipegeek | truly a POWER button |
| 07:09.27 | superfirelord42 | Cholito, the chuck norris button? |
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| 07:09.34 | Cholito | superfirelord42, LOOOOOOOL |
| 07:09.43 | Cholito | superfirelord42, you made my day |
| 07:09.47 | superfirelord42 | couldnt help it... |
| 07:09.55 | Cholito | clap clap clap |
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| 07:10.10 | Cholito | thank god you didn't ;) |
| 07:10.26 | superfirelord42 | and on that note, i must /part |
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| 07:11.19 | Cholito | lol |
| 07:12.11 | mentalmonkey | I'm so bipolar with gnome, first I want gnome with compiz-fusion and then I realize it's so terribly slow and can't do half of what I can in a terminal, which I have to use anyways so I switch to a minimal setup openbox or xmonad then I find it's too sparse and crave 3d desktops etc. what a bipolar opensource user I am |
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| 07:12.54 | firebird619 | I have a question. I have been in this channel the majority of the day trying to figure out the problem of Debian stopping at the setting clock portion of the boot, I have tried several things, but unfortunately nothing has worked. I just tried booting a Debian Lenny Beta One Live CD, and it too stops at the Setting Clock part, however, other Live CD's (Sidux, Ubuntu, Fedora,etc.) boot just fine. What could be causing this problem? Doe |
| 07:13.01 | laberdaba | pipegeek: a shutdown button :-) |
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| 07:13.49 | Cholito | firebird619, bios update :) |
| 07:14.03 | Cholito | some distros work, some just don't |
| 07:14.07 | pipegeek | laberdaba: I *think* you'll find what you need in the list of applets you get by right-clicking the taskbar and selecting "add to panel...". Check out the logout button---I have a feeling it actually brings up a dialog asking you whether you want to shut down/log out/reboot/etc |
| 07:14.13 | mentalmonkey | well bye bye gnome, you hog of my resources I don't need you |
| 07:14.18 | pipegeek | the chuck norris as mentioned above |
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| 07:14.22 | pipegeek | heh |
| 07:14.30 | Cholito | mentalmonkey, we love you too :) |
| 07:14.50 | Cholito | chuck norris indeed |
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| 07:14.55 | mentalmonkey | thank you I need the support :) |
| 07:14.57 | laberdaba | pipegeek: it shows me switch user, logout and cancel :-( |
| 07:15.06 | laberdaba | pipegeek: ist there a way to configure it? |
| 07:15.18 | pipegeek | hmm |
| 07:15.32 | Cholito | laberdaba, there is no "shut down" button? |
| 07:15.37 | pipegeek | I feel like there's a simple solution to this, and I don't know what it is. Oh, for a desktop machine running debian |
| 07:15.53 | firebird619 | Cholito: My PC manufacturer last updated the BIOS in 2004, I did try to re-flash the BIOS today, but it didn't work. I have been using Debian Lenny for months now, and it is just today that this problem came up, thats why I am talking about Live CDs, because I have been on a live CD all day trying to fix this problem, but it isn't fixed yet. Do you have any other ideas that might solve my problem? |
| 07:15.53 | laberdaba | Cholito: no, thats the problem! |
| 07:16.01 | pipegeek | laberdaba: OH! |
| 07:16.03 | pipegeek | AHA |
| 07:16.06 | pipegeek | do you use gdm? |
| 07:16.12 | laberdaba | pipegeek no |
| 07:16.14 | pipegeek | YES |
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| 07:16.36 | laberdaba | pipegeek do I need to run gdm? I am currently running slim |
| 07:16.53 | pipegeek | gnome sends a command to gdm to shut down the machine (gdm is running as root, and so is allowed to do so... at least, I think that's the reason) |
| 07:17.07 | pipegeek | if you start gnome any other way, it decides it can't shut down, and only offers a logout option |
| 07:17.18 | pipegeek | laberdaba: you may be stuck there :-\ sorry |
| 07:18.17 | Cholito | firebird619, use another livecd to chroot into it, maybe you could try sid? |
| 07:18.41 | laberdaba | pipegeek ok, I will write the 3 lines of scripting ;-) |
| 07:18.54 | firebird619 | Cholito: I am on an Ubuntu Live CD right now. Do you think sid would solve the problem? |
| 07:18.56 | Cholito | laberdaba, pipegeek is right |
| 07:19.05 | Cholito | start gdm as root ;) |
| 07:19.25 | Cholito | it might be, I'm not sure |
| 07:19.34 | Cholito | is just a recomendation =S |
| 07:19.37 | pipegeek | firebird619: you've probably already done this, but have you tried booting with noacpi? |
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| 07:20.41 | pipegeek | laberdaba: the reason gnome doesn't have a shutdown option when you're not using gdm is that it has no way to shut *itself* down cleanly, and then shut down the system. I think. |
| 07:21.06 | pipegeek | your three line script will cause the system to shut down out from under gnome. Which isn't a big deal... but it might cause problems eventually |
| 07:21.54 | firebird619 | pipegeek: Yes. I have been in here all day getting help. Enouf was the one that helped me the most until he had to go. I have tried pretty much everything including a new CMOS battery, running memtest, etc. to try and solve the problem. I also recreated, or whatever the right term is, the swap file, but no lock. Is there anything else I could try? |
| 07:22.38 | Cholito | in which part does it stops? |
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| 07:22.50 | pipegeek | hey, firebird619: also, you've probably seen this, but: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg49879.html |
| 07:22.59 | pipegeek | gah, this sounds excruciating |
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| 07:24.31 | pipegeek | but you can also just remove /etc/rcS.d/S11hwclock.sh |
| 07:24.42 | pipegeek | or, rename it to K11hwclock.sh, which is cleaner |
| 07:25.09 | pipegeek | and see if your system boots. Then solve the problem in the morning after a full night's sleep ;) ... if you're somewhere, like I am, where it's a horrible hour of the morning |
| 07:25.34 | firebird619 | pipegeek: No, I hadn't seen that, but I tried that --directisa parameter, but no such luck. I don't have Debian dual booted with anything. It is on the system by itself. I could give that rename a try and see what happens. It is 2:25 AM where I am. |
| 07:25.57 | pipegeek | Right. I'm just saying... it's not the end of the world, particularly in the short term, if the hardware clock doesn't get set |
| 07:26.04 | pipegeek | you'll at least have a system that works... |
| 07:26.16 | pipegeek | Hmm. Sorry I'm not more help :-\ |
| 07:26.36 | firebird619 | pipegeek: Yes, and a system that works is all I am after for now. |
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| 07:27.08 | pipegeek | (have you tried a different kernel?) |
| 07:27.17 | firebird619 | pipegeek: Yes. |
| 07:27.20 | pipegeek | bleah. |
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| 07:27.34 | pipegeek | I'm sorry, but it's 3:30 where I am, and I'm an hour on the subway from home |
| 07:27.43 | pipegeek | so I have to disappear. I wish you the best of luck |
| 07:28.01 | Cholito | firebird619, so...... |
| 07:28.01 | pipegeek | g'night |
| 07:28.05 | pipegeek | if sleep you do |
| 07:28.11 | pipegeek | well, really either way |
| 07:28.14 | Cholito | pipegeek, good morning :) |
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| 07:28.43 | Cholito | firebird619, when does the boot stops? |
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| 07:29.32 | firebird619 | Cholito: It stops at "Setting parameters of disc: (none):Setting the System Clock |
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| 07:30.26 | xorl | hmm, when the debian installer loads, the instller doesn't detect my IDE cd-rom drive. |
| 07:30.34 | xorl | Asus P5Q motherboard P45 chipset |
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| 07:30.47 | firebird619 | Cholito: Another thing it had done, when I first started the PC this morning, it came up and said Performing Automatic IDE Configuration. What would that have meant? |
| 07:31.35 | Cholito | is the SMART HDD activated in the bios? |
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| 07:31.56 | xorl | and this is even with the latest testing CD |
| 07:32.02 | xorl | with 2.6.26-1 |
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| 07:32.41 | wols | xorl: what IDE chip? |
| 07:32.51 | xorl | Let me get the exact revision |
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| 07:33.05 | wols | xorl: what does lspci say? |
| 07:33.18 | wols | lspci -nn rather |
| 07:33.22 | firebird619 | Cholito: I am not sure my HDD has S.M.A.R.T. It is a Dell Dimension 8300. I have Debian spanned across 2 Hard Drives. One is SATA and the other is IDE. The IDE drive contains /home, and the other contains the other partitions, /, /boot, and swap. |
| 07:33.32 | xorl | Marvell 88SE61xx |
| 07:33.36 | firebird619 | Cholito: How do I check if the drive has SMART |
| 07:33.48 | wols | firebird619: how old is the drive? |
| 07:34.01 | wols | any drive of the last ~10 year does |
| 07:34.16 | firebird619 | wols: The SATA drive came with the PC. I got the PC March 17, 2004. |
| 07:34.41 | wols | it does |
| 07:34.41 | xorl | wols: 88SE6121 |
| 07:34.43 | firebird619 | wols: The IDE drive was given to me shortly after I received the PC. |
| 07:34.52 | wols | xorl: I've seen. |
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| 07:36.21 | firebird619 | wols: So how can I check the SMART status of the drive from linux. Also, that would have to do with that Performing IDE Configuration message would it, beings the SMART enabled drive is SATA. Also, I don't remember seeing and SMART related items in the BIOS. |
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| 07:36.55 | Joint | hey i have a question. which package do i need so apache read perl scripts.on my website? |
| 07:37.08 | wols | firebird619: smartmontools |
| 07:37.30 | wols | I don't see any connection to the message you got |
| 07:37.43 | firebird619 | wols: Yes, I see that now, just installing it. I am still on a Live CD. |
| 07:37.43 | wols | !tell Joint about search |
| 07:38.11 | firebird619 | wols: Beings I have separate partitions on that drive, which partition would I run smartctl on? |
| 07:38.15 | xorl | apparently, it's supported by the latest testing kernel, but only installs from USB |
| 07:38.20 | wols | firebird619: none |
| 07:38.29 | wols | you can't run smartctol on partitions |
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| 07:39.05 | firebird619 | wols: Ok, got it. I just ran it on /dev/sdb and got the info about it. What am I specifically looking for? |
| 07:39.22 | wols | why would I know or care? I didn't suggest smart as the culprit |
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| 07:39.30 | wols | and said it's not related afaik |
| 07:40.20 | firebird619 | wols: Sorry. The SMART overall health assessment passed |
| 07:40.27 | s_o | Hi there ! |
| 07:40.50 | s_o | I'm having troubles with my dhcp3-server |
| 07:40.50 | firebird619 | Cholito: The SMART health assessment passed, is there anything else I should look for? |
| 07:41.15 | Cholito | firebird619, not really sure right now....just woke up :S |
| 07:41.16 | xorl | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495273 mmm yummy fix |
| 07:41.28 | s_o | It doesn't send any DHCPOFFERS to others computer |
| 07:41.44 | Cholito | firebird619, so it's not a kernel problem |
| 07:42.10 | s_o | but if I do dhclient eth0 on my server, It sent DHCPOFFER to itself |
| 07:42.14 | Cholito | uhmmmm, I have an idea... chroot and edit your fstab |
| 07:42.20 | firebird619 | Cholito: I have tried a different kernel and different params such as noapci, etc. but nothing has worked so far. |
| 07:42.26 | Cholito | comment the /home line |
| 07:42.51 | Cholito | so you use only the one with / on it |
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| 07:43.27 | firebird619 | Cholito: Ok, I could do that. Out of curiosity, what would that do? Also, I am sure it won't, but it doesn't hurt to ask. It won't do anything to the data I have on my /home partition, will it? |
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| 07:43.39 | wols | firebird619: there is noapic and acpi=off no noacip |
| 07:43.51 | xorl | wols: know if there is an testing CD with 2.6.27? |
| 07:44.47 | wols | xorl: there isn't and won't be |
| 07:44.51 | firebird619 | wols: Yes, I tried noapic. I am probably just not remembering them right. Earlier when enouf mentioned the params to try, I wrote them down and tried them all with no success. |
| 07:44.59 | wols | !custom |
| 07:45.03 | wols | !customcd |
| 07:45.04 | Cholito | firebird619, no it won't |
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| 07:45.23 | Cholito | firebird619, it won't use THAT disk, that's it :) |
| 07:45.27 | wols | dpkg: are you awake you lazy sod? |
| 07:45.28 | dpkg | wols: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:45.45 | firebird619 | Cholito: Ok. Could it be something wrong with that drive that is causing this problem? |
| 07:45.58 | wols | !tell xorl about custom cd |
| 07:46.36 | wols | s_o: do you have a firewall? |
| 07:46.57 | s_o | I dont know |
| 07:47.24 | s_o | if you want to view my config file, I did a past |
| 07:47.28 | s_o | http://rafb.net/p/zy64uX46.html |
| 07:47.30 | firebird619 | Cholito: Ok, I have commented /home out in fstab. I will go give it a try now and come back with the results. If the PC works then, does that mean that that drive is bad? |
| 07:47.56 | xorl | blah that's a shit ton of work just to get debian installed |
| 07:47.57 | Cholito | it might be |
| 07:48.14 | firebird619 | Cholito: Ok. I will go try it and see what happens. Thanks for your help so far. |
| 07:48.22 | Cholito | let me know |
| 07:48.26 | Cholito | I'll be arround |
| 07:48.39 | s_o | wols: How do I know if I have a firewall ? |
| 07:48.47 | firebird619 | Cholito: Ok, I will. I won't be able to work on this too much longer, it is approaching 3:00 AM where I am. |
| 07:49.05 | Cholito | lol, it's 9:50am in Spain :) |
| 07:49.09 | wols | s_o: you can check with iptables. but you are the admin, you should know without looking |
| 07:49.22 | s_o | I didn't config anything |
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| 07:49.35 | s_o | But dhcp3-server |
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| 07:50.18 | s_o | wols: maybe iptables is causing problems |
| 07:50.55 | xorl | ah, i can just throw it on a USB Memory stick and be on my marry way |
| 07:50.56 | xorl | :) |
| 07:51.20 | s_o | wols: if I do nmap 192.168.1.1, it doesn't repport the dhcpd service |
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| 07:51.38 | Usiu | Hi |
| 07:51.39 | s_o | and dhcpd is running |
| 07:51.59 | s_o | hello |
| 07:52.16 | Usiu | If I want to build custom iso image with custom kernel, I have to modify kernel-versions in *-di-* package of my template |
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| 07:52.33 | Usiu | right? |
| 07:52.44 | xorl | heh that's useless, if the cdrom can't detect my Marell chipset why would the livecd have install to usb woot |
| 07:52.47 | xorl | haha |
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| 07:53.40 | jkimball4 | does the ufs module not support openbsd ufs? |
| 07:54.17 | ham5 | s_o, to check iptables list: iptables -vL (as root) |
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| 07:56.17 | firebird619 | Cholito: Unfortunately, that did not work. Anything else I could try? |
| 07:57.14 | Cholito | is there a way you can copy / to the disk where you have /home? (so you have all the data in the same disk |
| 07:57.17 | Cholito | ? |
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| 07:58.06 | firebird619 | Cholito: No, not really, The entire IDE drive (/home) is partitioned as /home and there isn't enough free space to be able to copy anything over. |
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| 07:58.51 | magdalene | uncurls, stretches and settles into a good lurk under the #debian_fern |
| 07:58.57 | magdalene | *lurk* |
| 07:59.05 | magdalene | firebird: you are still up? |
| 07:59.12 | magdalene | what is wrong now |
| 07:59.28 | firebird619 | Yes, but won't be for long, it is a bout 3:00 AM here. I am having the same problem as earlier. |
| 07:59.41 | magdalene | hrm |
| 08:00.11 | insertable | hi all! just trying Debian 5.0 out today and having a little trouble getting my wireless up and running. I have a netgear wg311v3 card and it loads no problem when I ndiswrapper -i WG311v3.INF. ndiswrapper -l shows it's present and installed, but when i modprobe ndiswrapper is says Module ndiswrapper not found. Does anyone know why? thanks :> |
| 08:00.27 | firebird619 | magdalene: Maybe it will just come down to reinstalling Debian to get everything back up and running again. It will probably be quicker that way. I have about tried everything under the sun. |
| 08:01.07 | Cholito | firebird619, what about buying a new disk? they are not that expensive... |
| 08:02.19 | magdalene | firebird what did you use to fdisk it, softwarewise |
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| 08:02.30 | firebird619 | Cholito: No, they aren't, but they are too expensive for me, and I don't have any laying around. If, for example, I was to just reinstall Debian tomorrow, saving the /home partition, and it had this same problem, then would that for sure mean that one of the drives is bad. |
| 08:02.35 | s_o1 | so what's the matter with my dhcp3-server ? |
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| 08:02.49 | firebird619 | magdalene: You mean partition it when I first installed? I just used whatever the Debian installer uses. |
| 08:03.01 | magdalene | how old is the drive? |
| 08:03.31 | Cholito | firebird619, you can reinstall without loosing your /home :) |
| 08:04.00 | firebird619 | magdalene: I have two drives that Debian spans across. the one is SATA which came with the PC which I got March 17, 2004 and the IDE drive I received as a gift not to long after that. |
| 08:04.14 | magdalene | and I'm guessing you have done with the routine already... the chicken, overproof rum, the Dho Na circle et all? |
| 08:04.36 | magdalene | ri |
| 08:04.43 | magdalene | right, rather |
| 08:05.00 | firebird619 | Cholito: Yes, I have done installs of different distros many a times and not lost the /home once. I distro hopped quite a bit until I got to Debian. |
| 08:05.10 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.25 | magdalene | I would nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sue |
| 08:05.29 | magdalene | sure rather |
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| 08:06.11 | magdalene | someone isn't playing nice |
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| 08:06.28 | magdalene | seriously firebird, I would wipe and start over |
| 08:06.54 | magdalene | If its being that buggy |
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| 08:07.27 | firebird619 | Cholito: When I last started the PC tonight, after commenting /home, I payed attention to the very last thing on the screen when it stops. The last thing was: [25.297255] Adding 2000084k swap on /dev/sdb2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across: 2000084k. Does that help at all? |
| 08:08.20 | firebird619 | magdalene: Yes, that is probably what I will end up doing. It would be quicker that way and I'd get a nice fresh install. I wouldn't be so apt to do that if it wasn't as easy as it is to maintain a partition such as /home. |
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| 08:08.57 | Cholito | firebird619, well, is not the same as before |
| 08:09.02 | Cholito | that's something |
| 08:09.14 | magdalene | yes |
| 08:09.19 | firebird619 | Cholito: Yeah, but there is still something up. |
| 08:09.44 | magdalene | I take it you are pretty familiar with PC software |
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| 08:11.12 | firebird619 | magdalene: I have worked with PC's for many years and Linux for about the last 6 or 7. There is much I still don't know, but the great thing about linux is that it is a constant learning process, and that is one of the many things that makes it so great. |
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| 08:11.49 | BaldRicky | Good morning All!! What is the least amount of RAM i should have to install and run Etch with Fluxbox for instance |
| 08:12.05 | firebird619 | I will probably just give a clean install a shot tomorrow and see what happens, the worst that can happen is that I do that and still have a bad drive. |
| 08:12.27 | magdalene | I am not sure yet if debian has anything comparative to it but if it doesn't it is almost worth fdisking them fat32 to run |
| 08:12.31 | Cholito | BaldRicky, I would say 64mb but I'm not sure |
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| 08:12.42 | firebird619 | Cholito: If the drive that contains /home was bad, would I still be able to mount and access it, because I can. |
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| 08:13.14 | BaldRicky | Cholito thanks ;D |
| 08:13.33 | firebird619 | magdalene: I have 3 PC's, one with a shot MoBo, another with Windows XP, which I pretty much never use, and then my main system which is completely Debian Lenny. |
| 08:13.44 | BaldRicky | I thought so, and thats exactly how much i got... |
| 08:14.33 | firebird619 | magdalene: I am not sure Debian has anything comparative to it. I think it is just in a class of its own. |
| 08:15.39 | Cholito | firebird619, maybe it has errors, but I'm not sure |
| 08:16.08 | Cholito | firebird619, how much does a HDD costs? |
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| 08:16.45 | magdalene | whups to run spinrite |
| 08:16.58 | firebird619 | Cholito: When I was in here earlier, enouf had me run fsck on all my partitions. Would that have caught errors? Well, drives where I am are around $79.99 and up on sale. |
| 08:16.58 | magdalene | sorry small child woken up |
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| 08:17.53 | magdalene | anyone know if debian has a comparable harddisk tool that can reclaim bad sectors? |
| 08:17.53 | wols | firebird619: it wouldn't |
| 08:18.01 | wols | magdalene: smartmontools |
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| 08:18.10 | magdalene | danke wols |
| 08:18.34 | firebird619 | wols: Ok. |
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| 08:20.13 | magdalene | was a networking tech and worked IT for a long time weeding bogons from isp user pools |
| 08:20.43 | Usiu | Hi, I am trying to build custom kernel for netinstall. I already have kernel installed and I want to use *-di-* source to generate udebs however I get missing module ide-core. Any help ? |
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| 08:21.57 | magdalene | am just settling into the comfy down matress of debian. Last time I looked at linux before this everybody was into slackware, and there were too many scriptkiddies hacking it for my tastes. :) |
| 08:22.34 | firebird619 | Well, it is 3:20 AM where I am so I best get to bed. I will probably try reinstalling Debian and see what happens and go from there. Thank you everyone for your help. |
| 08:22.39 | magdalene | no kidding |
| 08:22.45 | eddieBB | how do i completely format my disk? when i type 'format' i get "command not found" |
| 08:22.56 | SOG | um... how do I set my resulotion in debian? all I see is 640X480... aahhhh |
| 08:22.59 | magdalene | is close to that here |
| 08:23.15 | magdalene | is bed time for me as well |
| 08:23.24 | firebird619 | magdalene: good night |
| 08:23.32 | magdalene | nini :) |
| 08:23.52 | magdalene | hands firebird and wols little fronds of their own |
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| 08:24.35 | vort3x | eddieBB: you can create partitions using fdisk and then use mkfs.ext3 if you want it to be formatted as ext3 |
| 08:24.37 | magdalene | you can have free limited edition #debian_herbivore T-shirts if you want, but I'm feeling nice and have already eaten |
| 08:25.10 | eddieBB | vort3x: i just want to completely delete everything. there's no command for that? |
| 08:25.29 | magdalene | got a magnet? |
| 08:25.35 | magdalene | whups sorry.. |
| 08:25.36 | vort3x | eddieBB, fdisk /dev/<whichever disk> and then o and then w |
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| 08:25.47 | vort3x | will create an empty partition table |
| 08:25.55 | eddieBB | vort3x: thank you |
| 08:25.56 | vort3x | then you can go fom there |
| 08:26.04 | magdalene | retreats back into the depths of the #debian_fern |
| 08:26.07 | vort3x | for example create a new partition and then format that partition |
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| 08:29.48 | eddieBB | vort3x: i get this. "Unable to read /dev/disk" |
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| 08:30.48 | vort3x | what disk is it? hd<a,b,c,...> or sd<a,b,c,...> |
| 08:31.40 | Darkentity | anyone tested the debian way to install nvidia driver on lenny in last two days and succeed in getting it to work? |
| 08:31.57 | vort3x | Darkentity, is it failing for you? |
| 08:32.12 | Darkentity | vort3x, |
| 08:32.16 | Darkentity | vort3x, yes |
| 08:32.21 | eddieBB | vort3x: i'm not sure. |
| 08:32.25 | vort3x | DarkCow, whats the error message |
| 08:32.32 | vort3x | eddieBB, is it a second hard disk? |
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| 08:32.43 | vort3x | eddieBB, is it SATA or IDE? |
| 08:32.50 | eddieBB | vort3x: i want to delete everything. if that's possible |
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| 08:33.03 | eddieBB | vort3x: how do i find out? |
| 08:33.26 | vort3x | what is the connector at the back of the disk? thin single line no pins, or double width pins? |
| 08:33.36 | eddieBB | vort3x: no clue |
| 08:33.50 | vort3x | DarkCow, unping. sorry |
| 08:33.57 | vort3x | Darkentity, what is the error message |
| 08:34.20 | vort3x | eddieBB, ah well what does the command ls /dev/sd* and ls /dev/hd* print? |
| 08:34.35 | vort3x | eddieBB, sorry. those are separate commands |
| 08:34.44 | Darkentity | vort3x, when i use the debian wiki and trouble shoot the problem, i issue this command: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers# gcc -shared nvidia_drv.o -o nvidia_drv.so but it states that nvidia_drv.0 does not exist, and i look in that directory and its true |
| 08:35.12 | vort3x | Darkentity, have you tried using m-a to build the nvidia-kernel package? |
| 08:35.21 | Darkentity | vort3x, yes |
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| 08:35.32 | eddieBB | vort3x: "/dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2/dev/sda5 /dev/sda6" and "ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory" |
| 08:35.35 | Darkentity | vort3x, i followed the debian way wiki to the tee |
| 08:35.52 | vort3x | Darkentity, ok, lemme try to build it in a chroot and see whats up |
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| 08:37.15 | voudras | need a hand here plx |
| 08:37.20 | voudras | recompiled, debian make-kpkg style (custom) and so now apparently the nf moduels are different and wtf |
| 08:37.31 | Darkentity | vort3x, just to note i used the nvvidia-glx 173.14.09 and the nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09 |
| 08:37.37 | voudras | just need to get the base rules going here - i can figure out the rest |
| 08:38.05 | voudras | but i try simple stuff and i get messed up errorz |
| 08:38.20 | voudras | for example... |
| 08:38.21 | voudras | iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F |
| 08:38.21 | voudras | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 08:38.40 | vort3x | Darkentity, ok. the chroot is building. might take a little while. |
| 08:38.55 | Darkentity | vort3x, that is fine ;) |
| 08:38.59 | voudras | so im thinking everything is renamed afa nf is concerned? |
| 08:39.47 | vort3x | eddieBB, are you trying to erase everything on the drive Debian is installed onto? |
| 08:39.49 | Darkentity | vort3x, just to note i used the nvidia-glx 173.14.09 and the nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09, and am i correct that the version numbers of these must match the xorg version? |
| 08:39.50 | voudras | someone please point me in the right direction at least |
| 08:40.03 | eddieBB | vort3x: yes |
| 08:40.05 | format_c | voudras, you're missing the kernel module |
| 08:40.11 | magdalene | *snerfzzyumzz.anotheruser?..zzmsnerf.nothanks.snyumzz.ifIhaveanother.gzsoyummyzzz.Iwon'thaveroomfordessert.zzzmmsnerf*_ |
| 08:40.14 | vort3x | eddieBB, oh. why? |
| 08:40.23 | voudras | format_c: ok - which one |
| 08:40.42 | voudras | format_c: i think im not, its just not loaded - etables? |
| 08:40.46 | voudras | ebtables |
| 08:40.59 | eddieBB | vort3x: kind of hard to explain.. |
| 08:41.01 | vort3x | Darkentity, ok. No they dont need to match the xorg version. It should just build it against the libraries |
| 08:41.08 | format_c | voudras, $ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name ip_tables* |
| 08:41.13 | vort3x | eddieBB, ah. well you are best off doing that using a Debian install CD |
| 08:41.25 | eddieBB | vort3x: it's for my dedi server |
| 08:41.34 | voudras | zip - i thought ip_tables |
| 08:41.37 | vort3x | eddieBB, not trying to erase the harddrive you are currently using. OS's tend not to like you doing that |
| 08:42.06 | format_c | yes. It should be included in the standard kernel images |
| 08:42.08 | Darkentity | vort3x, hmm |
| 08:42.19 | voudras | ok .. there is an actual ip_tables modules now |
| 08:42.22 | eddieBB | vort3x: so there's no way to format without a cd? |
| 08:42.27 | format_c | did you compile you your own kernel? |
| 08:42.34 | voudras | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.35 | vort3x | eddieBB, not without crazy side-effects |
| 08:42.43 | voudras | yea, got all the netfilter stuff - missed it i guess? |
| 08:42.46 | vort3x | Darkentity, what kernel version? |
| 08:42.58 | eddieBB | vort3x: side effects don't matter. i just need everything gone. |
| 08:42.58 | voudras | how can i add all the netfilter stuff without including the ip_tables one? |
| 08:43.04 | format_c | voudras, then check if it's loaded with $ lsmod | grep ip_tables |
| 08:43.16 | vort3x | eddieBB, yeah. you need to use an install CD, or a Live CD |
| 08:43.19 | voudras | not |
| 08:43.32 | Darkentity | vort3x, latest one, i just installed this last night |
| 08:43.40 | voudras | i have ebtables! =P |
| 08:43.45 | voudras | wtf@ ebtables |
| 08:43.58 | format_c | voudras, you're right wtf |
| 08:44.06 | voudras | format_c: possible i built it into the kernel? |
| 08:44.07 | format_c | never heard about it |
| 08:44.23 | format_c | yes of course |
| 08:44.25 | voudras | im not crazy! |
| 08:44.39 | BaldRicky | ebtables - Ethernet bridge frame table administration |
| 08:44.42 | vort3x | hurray for running a local mirror =) |
| 08:44.43 | voudras | i got a lot of xt_<blah> |
| 08:44.44 | wols | Darkentity: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 08:44.46 | voudras | ah ffs |
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| 08:45.06 | eddieBB | vort3x: let's say i was going to toss my computer off of a building. but before i do so i need to format without a cd. is that in any way possible regardless of side effects? |
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| 08:45.16 | djsd | hey how do you unload a module? |
| 08:45.17 | Darkentity | vort3x, but its 2.6.26-5 686 |
| 08:45.26 | wols | Darkentity: please answer |
| 08:45.36 | Darkentity | vort3x, and sorry i'm working off of two ssytems |
| 08:45.39 | vort3x | Darkentity, ok. yeah. run dpkg -l | grep nvidia as wols said |
| 08:45.50 | Darkentity | hold on |
| 08:45.58 | format_c | what are you looking for? where to find it in `make menuconfig`? |
| 08:46.06 | BaldRicky | eddieBB what do you want to do ? format what with what |
| 08:46.07 | vadmeste | djsd, modprobe -r your_module... |
| 08:46.10 | voudras | on - so CONFIG_NETFILTER=m ? |
| 08:46.15 | djsd | vadmeste, and how do you list the modules? |
| 08:46.19 | djsd | the ones i've have loaded it |
| 08:46.21 | vort3x | eddieBB, kinda, but not really. |
| 08:46.23 | voudras | ... lemme restate that |
| 08:46.26 | vadmeste | djsd, lsmod |
| 08:46.27 | eddieBB | BaldRicky: i need everything gone. |
| 08:46.31 | voudras | so i need CONFIG_NETFILTER=m? |
| 08:46.38 | vadmeste | djsd, google next time |
| 08:46.44 | wols | voudras: custom kernel? |
| 08:46.46 | BaldRicky | on which partition all?? |
| 08:46.47 | voudras | yes |
| 08:46.48 | vort3x | eddieBB, if you were to do it that way. most of it would not be gone |
| 08:46.52 | eddieBB | BaldRicky: yes |
| 08:46.52 | voudras | using make-kpkg |
| 08:47.05 | wols | voudras: next time start with a debian .config file |
| 08:47.11 | eddieBB | vort3x: why not? |
| 08:47.15 | voudras | i usually roll my own the old fasion way - been doing it for ... fuckin long time now - i decided to try the debian system |
| 08:47.25 | voudras | wols: ok - well im on this time right now =) |
| 08:47.36 | voudras | wols: if i can just get the module i need |
| 08:47.42 | BaldRicky | eddieBB do you have a floppy drive |
| 08:47.51 | voudras | and get my network functioning for now - i can get my own rules going later |
| 08:47.56 | eddieBB | BaldRicky: it's a dedi server |
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| 08:48.15 | wols | eddieBB: overwirte the full disk via dd |
| 08:48.21 | vort3x | Darkentity, can you run that command? |
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| 08:48.43 | eddieBB | wols: how do i do that? is there a command? |
| 08:48.45 | vort3x | wols, wouldnt that die partway through. hes trying to do it to the disk with Debian installed on it |
| 08:48.51 | wols | eddieBB: man dd |
| 08:48.52 | voudras | wols: ok - wtf do i get the "debian .config file" form? |
| 08:48.53 | voudras | from |
| 08:49.00 | wols | voudras: why? |
| 08:49.05 | voudras | why what |
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| 08:49.07 | wols | voudras: /boot |
| 08:49.21 | wols | was for vort3x. why would it voudras? |
| 08:49.22 | eddieBB | wols: okay |
| 08:49.37 | voudras | why would what what? |
| 08:49.43 | voudras | wtf is going on lol |
| 08:50.03 | wols | sunday must be coming up, I feel it :( |
| 08:50.10 | vort3x | hah |
| 08:50.11 | format_c | voudras, if you want it build in you need CONFIG_NETFILTER=y in the .config file. If you use ...=m then you've to load it whenever you need it |
| 08:50.12 | djsd | which one are the best Webcam that works good in linux? |
| 08:50.21 | vort3x | its just 2am for me =) |
| 08:50.23 | wols | !tell djsd about hcl |
| 08:50.33 | eddieBB | wols: what do i do next? |
| 08:50.48 | vort3x | eddieBB, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 08:50.49 | voudras | format_c: it says =y now |
| 08:50.50 | wols | eddieBB: have you learned anything about dd? |
| 08:50.50 | voudras | ! |
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| 08:50.56 | Darkentity | vort3x, give me a sec here i'm interrupted for the moment |
| 08:51.01 | eddieBB | wols: no |
| 08:51.06 | djsd | !wecam |
| 08:51.07 | vort3x | or if you want to use random data, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 08:51.10 | wols | I guess more reading needed then |
| 08:51.12 | djsd | !webcam |
| 08:51.12 | dpkg | webcam is, like, a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
| 08:51.19 | vort3x | eddieBB, ^^ |
| 08:51.20 | format_c | voudras, then it should already be build in |
| 08:51.23 | voudras | format_c: so WTF am i missing the module ip_tables??? |
| 08:51.26 | voudras | .... |
| 08:51.44 | wols | iptables != ip_tables |
| 08:51.52 | voudras | ok - now we're getting somewhere |
| 08:51.54 | vort3x | Darkentity, no problem. Whenever you can. |
| 08:52.53 | voudras | wols: i went from 2.6.19 to 2.6.25 and everything (nf related) is fuckin fubared - i just need to get this working - dont really have time to read an rfc |
| 08:53.31 | voudras | but, if someone can just tell me where to go for an updated page of info (one that preferrable doesnt include ipchains howto) i would be happy to figure this out on my own |
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| 08:53.51 | eddieBB | vort3x: ? |
| 08:54.04 | vort3x | eddieBB, thats the command to overwrite your harddisk /dev/hda |
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| 08:54.54 | BaldRicky | what would dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd? do then ? |
| 08:55.05 | voudras | iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F |
| 08:55.05 | voudras | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 08:55.08 | voudras | .......? |
| 08:55.18 | wols | voudras: to the same place you enable netfilter |
| 08:55.20 | vort3x | BaldRicky, overwrite /dev/sd with zero's |
| 08:55.21 | voudras | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 08:55.34 | omry | following the nfs howto security section (http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/), and it looks like portmap is ignoring hosts.deny |
| 08:55.36 | wols | fyi, debian has 2.6.26 |
| 08:55.38 | BaldRicky | ok |
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| 08:55.47 | voudras | wols: i dont think that matters right now |
| 08:55.51 | voudras | the 2.6.26 |
| 08:55.56 | voudras | i cant even get 2.6.25 to work |
| 08:56.00 | wireddd | should I use async or sync for my nfs share? |
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| 08:56.14 | voudras | ONLY because iptables (!=ip_tables) wont work |
| 08:56.33 | omry | wireddd, depends on what you write and how important it is never to lose it if server reboots. |
| 08:56.34 | wireddd | I mostly just use it for large videos (mythtv) |
| 08:56.35 | wols | voudras: no becuase you fucked up. there is a reason we discourage custom kernels |
| 08:56.48 | wols | voudras: did you use make oldconfig? |
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| 08:56.53 | voudras | oh yea ok - right im a fuckup |
| 08:56.56 | voudras | no |
| 08:57.05 | format_c | voudras, do you have ipchains build in or loaded as a module? |
| 08:57.12 | voudras | format_c: no =P |
| 08:57.13 | voudras | lol |
| 08:57.20 | voudras | mformat_c: you jerkin my chain ? |
| 08:57.21 | wols | I said you fucked up. learn to read |
| 08:57.26 | wols | and you definitely did |
| 08:57.36 | voudras | wols: same thing |
| 08:57.39 | wols | format_c: there i no ipchains since 5 years or so |
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| 08:57.44 | wols | no it's not |
| 08:57.48 | voudras | mformat_c: i was making a joke |
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| 08:57.52 | voudras | wols: oh wtf |
| 08:57.59 | wireddd | omry: I ask because it seems when I copy something to it, it tries to send like 50mb and then stalls or something while it actually does the transfer and makes my entire computer lag |
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| 08:58.18 | voudras | wols: you want to see the .config? |
| 08:58.20 | wireddd | then after that goes through it sends another huge chunk |
| 08:58.28 | wols | voudras: no |
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| 08:58.30 | voudras | wols: you said before that i should use the debian config |
| 08:58.34 | format_c | Just thought that it's actually blocking iptables loading required modules when it's loaded |
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| 08:58.37 | voudras | wtf do i get a debian config |
| 08:58.42 | format_c | Don't know your conif |
| 08:58.45 | format_c | config |
| 08:58.51 | omry | wireddd, dunno. check the nfs howto performance section. |
| 08:58.52 | voudras | you keep ansewring shit in this condensending fucking tone - jerkoff |
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| 08:59.04 | wols | voudras: yes, since you're unable to configure it properly on your own and still asking when you ahve error messages and are pointed to the right direction. yes I think you should use a debian kernel |
| 08:59.11 | omry | wireddd, , http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s05.html |
| 08:59.17 | wols | voudras: I told you: look into /boot |
| 08:59.36 | voudras | this is not a vanilla install on some joe smith computer |
| 08:59.49 | voudras | this is just the first time i've done it the "Debian way"(TM) |
| 09:00.09 | wols | configuration of a kernel is not in any way different frm a non debian kernel. only the building of it is |
| 09:00.13 | wols | so that'S no argument |
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| 09:00.30 | voudras | i've been custom building my own kernels for fucking years and so now im doing it this wayy |
| 09:00.37 | voudras | the first time i've done it this way |
| 09:00.54 | wols | debian uses make meonuconfig like anyone else |
| 09:00.55 | voudras | and apparently at the same time that all this fucking netfilter shit went ape shit |
| 09:01.02 | voudras | omfg |
| 09:01.04 | wols | puts on ignore |
| 09:01.10 | voudras | yay |
| 09:01.46 | voudras | ok - so anyone else have a link to a page that explains wtf happened between 2.6.19 and 2.6.25 that blew netfilter to smitherins? |
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| 09:02.54 | voudras | no noe knows wtf im talking about? |
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| 09:08.55 | Darkentity | vort3x, sorry about that: issuing the command shows nvidia-glx 173.14.09-5 xorg driver, nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 173.14.09-5+2.6.26-5 kernel module for linux 2.6.26-1-686, nvidia-kernel-source 20051028+1+num2 lernel module common files, nvidia-kernel source 173.14.09-5 nvidia-kernnel source and nvidia-xconfig 1.0+20080522-1 |
| 09:08.57 | gargantua | Hey guys. |
| 09:09.09 | voudras | format_c: you get a result from "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name ip_tables*" |
| 09:09.19 | g00se__ | I'm in a chroot with /proc and /sys mounted but fdisk shows no partitions ... |
| 09:09.29 | format_c | yes i do |
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| 09:09.38 | format_c | and also if I search for netfilter* |
| 09:09.45 | voudras | format_c: what kernel? |
| 09:09.46 | g00se__ | (fdisk -l) |
| 09:10.10 | format_c | voudras, not yours 2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 09:10.15 | Darkentity | hehe he left ;) |
| 09:10.16 | voudras | omg |
| 09:10.22 | voudras | wtf is mine still wanting the old one? |
| 09:10.28 | voudras | whats your iptable -v |
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| 09:10.41 | Darkentity | wols, issuing the command shows nvidia-glx 173.14.09-5 xorg driver, nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 173.14.09-5+2.6.26-5 kernel module for linux 2.6.26-1-686, nvidia-kernel-source 20051028+1+num2 lernel module common files, nvidia-kernel source 173.14.09-5 nvidia-kernnel source and nvidia-xconfig 1.0+20080522-1 |
| 09:10.45 | voudras | pre 1.2.29? |
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| 09:10.58 | format_c | iptables v1.3.6: |
| 09:11.03 | voudras | format_c: same as mine |
| 09:11.05 | wols | Darkentity: run X and then pastebin the Xorg log |
| 09:11.06 | voudras | wtf is this shit |
| 09:11.14 | voudras | dood - this is wack |
| 09:11.27 | voudras | format_c: i can reboot to a 2.5.19 and its fine |
| 09:11.33 | simonrvn | oh ffs, stop bitching about it and fix it |
| 09:11.39 | voudras | my iptables scrips work fine |
| 09:12.08 | voudras | now all the modules are renamed - so i load them all with a script and try to run my rules and they blow up |
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| 09:13.03 | wols | simonrvn: he can't. he tries for hours no and is too dense to find it even wehn pointed to |
| 09:13.07 | format_c | I would suggest to compile netfilter modules (ip_tables.ko should be included) as a module and load it at boot |
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| 09:13.27 | wols | format_c: kernels have autoloaders nowadays |
| 09:13.31 | Darkentity | wols, i cannot run x, and also running dpkg-reconfigure xorgserver-xorg only goes up to the keyboard configuration and then just drops me to the cli, so how can i do this? |
| 09:13.35 | format_c | But you can also try to roll back you old kernel |
| 09:13.43 | voudras | i can just reboot into the old one |
| 09:13.45 | wols | Darkentity: please do what I asked |
| 09:14.04 | Darkentity | wols, ok but how can i do it? |
| 09:14.13 | wols | Darkentity: startx |
| 09:14.14 | format_c | But this does not fix this issue |
| 09:14.21 | voudras | right |
| 09:14.44 | format_c | voudras, you can try but later you'll face the same problem |
| 09:14.54 | format_c | s/you'll/you might/ |
| 09:14.56 | voudras | im in the later |
| 09:14.59 | voudras | 2.6.25 |
| 09:15.06 | voudras | and it chokes on my iptable stuff |
| 09:15.14 | voudras | with this ip_tables module shit |
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| 09:15.23 | voudras | the modules have obviously been renamed |
| 09:15.30 | voudras | and so im guessing thats not the end of it |
| 09:15.44 | wols | loves the bullshit people spout |
| 09:16.00 | voudras | i thought i was on ignore douche nozzle |
| 09:16.09 | Darkentity | wols, ok give me a sec to type this out |
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| 09:16.58 | wols | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko |
| 09:17.05 | wols | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko |
| 09:17.13 | wols | miracles of miracles. the same name |
| 09:17.20 | BaldRicky | skatman ;D |
| 09:17.43 | format_c | I use to install kernel images using aptitude install linux-image-2.6.xx |
| 09:17.44 | wols | Darkentity: you are not supposed to type anything out but pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:17.48 | voudras | well SOMEHOW the fucking make xconfig let me select ip_tables as built in and not a fuckng module while the options below it were modules |
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| 09:19.24 | HNSZ | dude |
| 09:19.32 | HNSZ | you need to chill |
| 09:19.39 | voudras | i hate being talked down to |
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| 09:20.08 | voudras | i dont do that to others i expect the same |
| 09:20.31 | omry | voudras, no one here works for you. |
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| 09:21.30 | voudras | dont even |
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| 09:21.55 | cahoot | let it go, move on |
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| 09:22.48 | format_c | when I do `make menuconfig` I can choose: http://paste.debian.net/18980/ |
| 09:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
| 09:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort voudras |
| 09:23.01 | dpkg | There, there, voudras. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:23.06 | voudras | lo |
| 09:23.06 | format_c | so there it is as a module |
| 09:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | he works for us all :) |
| 09:23.08 | voudras | lol |
| 09:23.10 | omry | lol |
| 09:23.45 | Darkentity | wols, i'm not really good at command line programs; so the best way for me, unless your willing to show me different is to type it out on my laptop, which i am talking to you right now with |
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| 09:24.06 | voudras | wols: its easy to loose ones tone with text. if i read your responces wrong then ... i prolly flipped out a bit there |
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| 09:25.10 | wols | Darkentity: the log is about 20 kB. do you want to type 20kB of it in here? please tell us now so an admin can kick you before you start spamming the channel |
| 09:25.36 | wols | the reason why the nvidia driver doesn't work is in that log |
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| 09:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | good typing exercise, though |
| 09:27.09 | format_c | voudras, even with make gconfig on my machine I have the option to compile iptables support as a module available |
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| 09:27.40 | voudras | format_c: i dont understand how i could compile it either way without it working. |
| 09:27.54 | voudras | shouldnt be able to get to it without having it enabled |
| 09:28.00 | voudras | get to the modules |
| 09:28.07 | voudras | underit - yankwo |
| 09:28.49 | Darkentity | wols, well i would type in pastbin.com and then link it to you; however, i guess i can mount ube pen drive and mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log however, i don't know the command to mount the pen drive from cli, for /proc/bus/usb/devices states: bash /proc/bus/usb/devices: permission denied |
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| 09:29.16 | wols | Darkentity: run dmesg to check what /dev/sdX it got assigned |
| 09:29.39 | xorl | is it possible to just dd the netinst image to the usb stick? |
| 09:30.00 | wols | xorl: no |
| 09:30.05 | wols | !tell xorl about ig |
| 09:30.19 | format_c | voudras, sorry I do not understand what is the problem in compiling it as a module |
| 09:30.22 | xorl | I tried that |
| 09:30.37 | xorl | doesn't detect my install media (even though it's set to boot from my firefly) |
| 09:30.41 | voudras | format_c: well its set to Y right now |
| 09:30.44 | voudras | so built in |
| 09:30.44 | xorl | but, it works for the other USB image |
| 09:30.45 | wols | tried WHAT? |
| 09:30.58 | xorl | the installation guides method for booting from usb key |
| 09:30.59 | format_c | hit space until it appears as M |
| 09:31.12 | format_c | this works in make menuconfig |
| 09:31.14 | voudras | yea, i mean to say |
| 09:31.23 | voudras | nm - gimme a sec |
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| 09:32.24 | format_c | in make gconfig I've to click on the "Value" column to toggle it |
| 09:32.58 | voudras | gconfig? |
| 09:33.08 | format_c | this like xconfig but with gtk support |
| 09:33.19 | voudras | ah - shoulda guessed that |
| 09:33.31 | xorl | heh that was awesome, arch linux, .img dd'd to the disk, game over. |
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| 09:34.54 | xorl | In all my experience with debian, i have NEVER had this much of an issue to install it. |
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| 09:36.02 | format_c | voudras, you might also consider that not every one in this channel understand what you say correctly especially when you're using "slang" or idioms. For me it's hard to follow you 'cause english isn't my mother tounge |
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| 09:37.02 | gargantua | hey gusy |
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| 09:37.13 | gargantua | anyone here use an ati card? |
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| 09:37.21 | voudras | in make xconfig i can only select it as builtin or not |
| 09:37.25 | voudras | no module option |
| 09:37.36 | format_c | did you try menuconfig |
| 09:37.46 | SOG | how can I set my resulotion in debian? all I see is 640X480 in the "screen resolution Preferences... the OS seems can't detect my Ati Graphic card |
| 09:38.02 | format_c | and hitting space to change values |
| 09:38.59 | SOG | stange, ubuntu can detect my card and my display, I though Debian should be able to too |
| 09:39.55 | voudras | format_c: option is CONF_NETFILTER right? |
| 09:40.00 | gargantua | I just installed Debian, then I installed the fglrx drivers from the nonfree depos as according to the ati community wiki, everything seems to be installed properly. However, after running aticonfig --inital and restarting like the wiki instructed, X will not start. |
| 09:40.02 | voudras | http://rr.swiftslayer.org/~voudras/kernel_nf.jpg |
| 09:40.07 | Darkentity | wols, here it is: http://pastebin.com/d68f2f30f |
| 09:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... voudras did you start out with the debian configuration as in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:40.17 | gargantua | I have to use the vesa driver for it to work. After checking the conf file aticonfig --inital made, there are two device sections for the monitor/driver, one of them was vesa and the other the fglrx, is this normal? |
| 09:40.55 | format_c | voudras, CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 09:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | your problems with getting the configuration right really sound like you started from kernel.org default configuration then tried to change everything |
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| 09:41.25 | format_c | CONFIG_NETFILTER is set to y on my machine |
| 09:41.39 | voudras | right |
| 09:41.40 | gargantua | Also, running X -configure will return an error: "Caught signal 11, server aborting" with any conf, any idea why all this is happening? |
| 09:42.00 | format_c | The CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m option is important when using iptables |
| 09:42.02 | voudras | UGH |
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| 09:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, so why do you have to recompile the kernel? |
| 09:43.42 | Darkentity | wols, any ideas? |
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| 09:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, yeah, "(EE) No drivers available." - what does grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf tell you (not the kbd/mouse lines) |
| 09:45.50 | SOG | how can I set my resulotion in debian? all I see is 640X480 in the "screen resolution Preferences... the OS seems can't detect my Ati Graphic card, btu strange thing is I can see it from the Synaptic Package manager |
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| 09:47.05 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, that command shows "nvidia" |
| 09:47.36 | format_c | voudras, how are things going forward? |
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| 09:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | which, using my psychic abilities lets me guess you have an nvidia card... |
| 09:48.00 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, lol correct |
| 09:48.00 | voudras | good question format_c |
| 09:48.14 | format_c | do you have the CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES option set to "m"? |
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| 09:48.31 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, also i'm working on lenny and tried to install the driver debian's way from the wiki |
| 09:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, yeah, ok, sorry, I'm obviously a bit behind :) |
| 09:48.39 | format_c | you can also use an text editor and change it directly in the .config file |
| 09:48.55 | voudras | format_c: yes =) |
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| 09:49.06 | gargantua | Darkentity: heh, I am at the same problem right now, except on the other side of the world with an ati. |
| 09:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | memo to self, look at the lastlog 1st |
| 09:49.29 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: this system has trouble using both sata and pata, poweredge 1420 |
| 09:49.31 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, it's ok any help would be nice, for i cannot even do dpkg-reconfigure xorgserver-xorg because it drops me to command line after it configs the keyboard |
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| 09:49.54 | Darkentity | gargantua, ouchy, thought ati would have been better then nvidia now |
| 09:50.11 | format_c | then need to recompile your kernel using "make && make modules_install" and then copying the new image to /boot. For recovery you shouldn't replace your current kernel and make a new entry in your bootloader configuration |
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| 09:50.32 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: need it to work - had tried in december and left it. the new kernel fixed this problem but left me with iptables problems |
| 09:50.38 | gargantua | Darkentity: no way :( |
| 09:50.45 | Darkentity | i think wols gave up on me :/ |
| 09:50.49 | voudras | format_c: im also trying to use the debian make-kpkg |
| 09:51.07 | format_c | Mhh did'nt used this way jet |
| 09:51.22 | voudras | format_c: i have done this many times - just not using the kernel debian build thing |
| 09:51.27 | voudras | many many |
| 09:51.29 | format_c | Some time ago I used Gentoo where this was the way to install new kernels |
| 09:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, guess you didn't succeed in loading the kernel module... check with lsmod|grep nvidia |
| 09:51.59 | format_c | since I'm using Debian I use the preconfigured and precompiled images. |
| 09:52.18 | format_c | just installing via aptitude |
| 09:52.26 | voudras | yea, cant do that |
| 09:52.38 | voudras | well - i'd like to |
| 09:52.53 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, it just goes to a blank line |
| 09:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, if it's missing, try to load it with modprobe nvidia and look what dmesg has to say about it |
| 09:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. the command dmesg |
| 09:54.32 | format_c | voudras, have you checked this site? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 09:54.41 | format_c | looks quite good |
| 09:54.48 | format_c | for the first glance |
| 09:55.09 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, states nvrm: loading nvidia unix x86 kernel module 173.14.09... |
| 09:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, you need to patch it to get it to run? |
| 09:55.18 | EmleyMoor | There's probably still some way to go, but the Serious bug in which I had an interest in lenny has been fixed |
| 09:55.24 | voudras | i was using ac patches |
| 09:55.27 | voudras | in decenber |
| 09:55.35 | voudras | but this time i just grabbed the debian source stuff |
| 09:55.38 | voudras | and tried that |
| 09:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, sounds promising, perhaps it just wasn't loaded... |
| 09:55.56 | voudras | format_c: bro =) hehe |
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| 09:56.21 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, not really because i been down this road ;) and issuing startx states that it x failed |
| 09:56.40 | gargantua | desperitly weeps for help :( |
| 09:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, if you don't have any special reason to keep your current menu.config, consider still switching to the debian one and changing whatever you need to change - that might still be less work than fixing your current config |
| 09:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, with the same error "no Driver available"? |
| 09:57.08 | format_c | voudras, bro ? |
| 09:57.13 | EmleyMoor | gargantua: What's the problem? |
| 09:57.32 | gargantua | EmleyMoor: can you read up or do you want me to ask the quesiton again? |
| 09:57.32 | voudras | hehe, meaning brother - short |
| 09:57.44 | EmleyMoor | Depends how far up |
| 09:58.05 | gargantua | I just installed Debian, then I installed the fglrx drivers from the nonfree depos as according to the ati community wiki, everything seems to be installed properly. However, after running aticonfig --inital and restarting like the wiki instructed, X will not start. |
| 09:58.14 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, well the main lines are (EE) failed to load module "type1", (EE) failed to load module "nvidia", (EE) no drivers available |
| 09:58.19 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: what debian one? |
| 09:58.28 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: it came with the source pack? |
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| 09:58.39 | gargantua | I have to use the vesa driver for it to work. After checking the conf file aticonfig --inital made, there are two device sections for the monitor/driver, one of them was vesa and the other the fglrx, is this normal? |
| 09:58.43 | EmleyMoor | gargantua: Any error messages appearing or being written to logs? |
| 09:59.07 | gargantua | Well, the strange thing is, ctrl+f "fglrx" on /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old will return nothing... So I don't know why that's happening... but the server is complaining of "no devices detected". |
| 09:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, no, the one I told you above ... /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:59.14 | EmleyMoor | I don't actually know the fglrx drivers, so if it's specific to them I won't be able to help you |
| 09:59.35 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: but thats the one i installed |
| 09:59.43 | voudras | cause i made a custom build |
| 10:00.16 | voudras | lemme explain - this is the first time i've used the debian system of rerolling kernels |
| 10:00.26 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, the reason why, as i stated before, is that in this directory: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers there is no nvidia_drv.o |
| 10:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, well, true - replace the uname -r string with the one from the last debian kernel.... |
| 10:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, aha, yes, indeed |
| 10:00.59 | voudras | but it was my own compiled kernel before, difference being i didnt dpkg -i <blah>.deb last time |
| 10:01.06 | gargantua | EmleyMoor: I doubt it's something wrong with the drivers per-se, I think it's just xorg being confused from a bad xorg.conf. |
| 10:01.06 | voudras | ya know? |
| 10:01.09 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, so in essence there is no way to do the debian's way for nvidia driver because it fails |
| 10:01.29 | Doctor_Nick | oh hay |
| 10:01.36 | Doctor_Nick | debian needs help |
| 10:01.46 | gargantua | Being that, like I said, after the automated script finnished, it left two Device sections, one telling it to use vesa while the other telling it to use fglrx, so I don't know if that's normal... |
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| 10:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, because there is no nvidia-glx in lenny? |
| 10:02.51 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, well that is true, but the debian wiki states to d/l it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ |
| 10:03.04 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, and then issue dpkg - i |
| 10:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and? |
| 10:03.47 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, here is the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 10:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, been looking at that |
| 10:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean what is the problem with dl from there and installing with dpkg -i? |
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| 10:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO(we're getting there... any century now) |
| 10:05.01 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, nothing really, though after doing that the wiki states to apt-get -f install, which installs a bunch of things - don't know if that is the problem |
| 10:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at the lastlog again |
| 10:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 10:06.02 | Darkentity | ? |
| 10:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you said dpkg -l nvidia\* shows that nvidia-glx is installed |
| 10:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how can /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o be missing |
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| 10:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't "dpkg -L nvidia-glx |grep drv" show that it's part of that package? |
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| 10:08.14 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, after issuing dpkg -l nvidia\* the first line reads: rc nvidia-glx 173.14.09-5 nvidia binary xorg driver |
| 10:08.31 | craigevil | Darkentity: a simple method of installing nvidia/ati drivers> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html |
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| 10:09.02 | Darkentity | craigevil, external scripts? |
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| 10:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, no, I wasn't asking that - you already did that.... with dpkg -l |grep nvidia - and you answered with a list of packages, which included nvidia-glx |
| 10:09.35 | ham5 | the nvidia 177.8 couldent be eaiser |
| 10:09.50 | craigevil | yes but it works everytime, it was orgininally designed for sidux but the author had since made it work on all debian systems |
| 10:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, but nvida-glx contains the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o, which you say is missing |
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| 10:10.03 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, correct |
| 10:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you lie! |
| 10:10.20 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, what not |
| 10:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 10:10.46 | greeq | how do i install 3d drivers? |
| 10:10.51 | voudras | carefully |
| 10:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can that file be missing if it's in that package, which you have installed? |
| 10:10.59 | greeq | nvidia 6100 |
| 10:11.02 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, the nvidia_drv_.0 is missing, though i do have nv_drv.so which i wish i could config xorg to have now |
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| 10:11.43 | greeq | any one? |
| 10:11.43 | wols | Darkentity: nvidia-glx is not installed. you removed it |
| 10:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.57 | wols | Darkentity: reinstall the nvidia-glx |
| 10:12.03 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, what that would be insane, because that file been there since sept. 1 2008 |
| 10:12.05 | wols | and then show us the dpkg -l output again |
| 10:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | he removed it after answering your question? |
| 10:12.11 | ham5 | greep get envyng |
| 10:12.16 | Darkentity | wols, how could that been? |
| 10:12.26 | wols | Darkentity: you uninstalled it |
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| 10:12.39 | wols | ham5: do not tell people to use any envy packages here please |
| 10:12.41 | Darkentity | wols, i think not, but ill reinstall it |
| 10:12.50 | ham5 | o? |
| 10:12.56 | wols | greeq: what debian version? |
| 10:13.13 | wols | ham5: there is only one way to install thsoe drivers: from nvidia packages from debian.org. no other |
| 10:13.16 | omry | how do I get a user into a new group without logging out and back in? |
| 10:13.25 | wols | omry: you don't |
| 10:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, yes, that was my suggestion also - the file *is* in that package, I just downloaded it |
| 10:13.37 | ElDelfin | I'm a bit of a n00b to linux, and have a ? about formatting another drive for encrypted vlm. |
| 10:14.21 | ElDelfin | i have a system disk running encrypted, but the debian disk didn't format my other hard drive for enc vlm |
| 10:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, aha... you wouldn't have deinstalled with that apt-get -f install you mentioned? |
| 10:14.35 | Darkentity | wols, then the command after apt-get -f install should read dpkg -i nvidia-glx |
| 10:14.44 | omry | wols, you can do newgrp, but it has the side effect of making that group primary |
| 10:14.45 | cahoot | omry: su <user> will do it in that terminal |
| 10:14.46 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, that is the only way |
| 10:14.54 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, damn wiki |
| 10:14.55 | wols | Darkentity: why apt-get -f install? |
| 10:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, ok - so the point with that is, you REJECT that solution.... |
| 10:15.14 | Darkentity | wols, yes there is nothing ever wrong with the wiki, no?/ |
| 10:15.17 | voudras | iptables-restore v1.3.6: iptables-restore: unable to initializetable 'nat' |
| 10:15.20 | voudras | dammit |
| 10:15.36 | wols | Darkentity: nvidia-glx was installed. but you or someone else's actions removed it |
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| 10:15.40 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, i reject the idea that i personally uninstalled the thing |
| 10:15.43 | wols | Darkentity: now go and install it |
| 10:15.43 | omry | cahoot, cool, thanks. |
| 10:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono, I got it no! |
| 10:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | now! |
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| 10:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemme explain |
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| 10:16.26 | Darkentity | wols, you claiming me to be at fault is wrong especially when you never investigated the situation fully |
| 10:16.50 | wols | Darkentity: I see the evidence. do you want to install it or argue? |
| 10:16.51 | hjb | Hi. Is losing meta-data considered data-loss for the severity of bug reports? |
| 10:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would the wiki tell you to download it from here http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ |
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| 10:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't look like a non-standard repro |
| 10:17.09 | Darkentity | wols, i stated i reinstalled it and yes it works |
| 10:17.11 | wols | hjb: usually yes. what kind of metadata? |
| 10:17.13 | hjb | Like, articles read flag in a feed reader? |
| 10:17.33 | wols | yes it's a bug |
| 10:17.36 | format_c | voudras, sorry was afk |
| 10:17.43 | format_c | nice desktop |
| 10:17.45 | greeq | wols, 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 10:17.50 | voudras | format_c: not a problem format |
| 10:17.52 | H2S04 | whois format_c |
| 10:18.00 | wols | greeq: that's a kernel version not a debian version |
| 10:18.02 | hjb | wols Yes, it's a bug :-) but of what severity? |
| 10:18.05 | Darkentity | wols, but your claim that i uninstall'd it is without warrant, because i only followed the wiki |
| 10:18.11 | format_c | but what should I see on the screeshot |
| 10:18.14 | wols | hjb: not critical but a bug |
| 10:18.24 | greeq | lenny |
| 10:18.25 | Darkentity | wols, to the tee i might add |
| 10:18.45 | wols | Darkentity: are you the only one on that PC? if so: yes you did it. apt doesn't act on its own |
| 10:18.46 | hjb | wols then i'll submit it as important |
| 10:18.55 | H2S04 | format_c, I always confuse you with someone else :X |
| 10:18.58 | hjb | wols i don't wan't to open new rc-bugs right now |
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| 10:19.10 | wols | jakub: it's not one imho |
| 10:19.11 | format_c | H2S04, np |
| 10:19.12 | pettals | hi, i installed gnome in my debian etch machine built from etchnhalf and when i sart gdm or startx, it shows me screen not found error. i have posted the error in http://pastebin.com/d3fbefe13 |
| 10:19.18 | wols | and also has to be reproducable |
| 10:19.20 | pettals | could somebidy please help |
| 10:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, when you did apt-get -f install, the "solution" provided by apt was to remove the package you just installed |
| 10:19.34 | wols | pettals: what videocard and driver? |
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| 10:19.44 | Darkentity | wols, so you stating that issuing the command apt-get -f install as the wiki states makes me at fault when i was ignorant of the fact that it would uninstall glx? |
| 10:19.46 | format_c | voudras, The bootup date is 1998 and the system is running for 2d ... . This is the only curious thing I can find |
| 10:19.55 | voudras | Darkentity: hes condasending isint he? |
| 10:19.56 | wols | puts the arguer on ignore |
| 10:19.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, you should have rejected that solution (and any that removes the package) and taken one that keeps it |
| 10:20.05 | pettals | it's laptop, nvidia geforce |
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| 10:20.13 | voudras | format_c: its not curious hehe =P |
| 10:20.14 | wols | pettals: dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 10:20.43 | format_c | furthermore it actually an Red Hat Linux |
| 10:20.56 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, well that is fine if you knew that one could do it |
| 10:20.58 | voudras | yea dood - that screenshot is 10 years old is what im saying |
| 10:21.11 | format_c | Ah now |
| 10:21.12 | format_c | OK |
| 10:21.12 | pettals | wols:i have to go back to the linux machine... i mean boot it from linux.. 5 minutes i will check and get back ? is there any other test that i need to do after that. |
| 10:21.14 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: gotta love people who don't read, right? |
| 10:21.16 | voudras | i know its red hat lol =) |
| 10:21.30 | voudras | http://rr.swiftslayer.org/~voudras/cc/1999-02-01-enlightenment.jpg |
| 10:21.32 | wols | pettals: did you install your nvidia drivers from debian repos or from nvidia.com? |
| 10:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 10:21.47 | pettals | i did from debian packages |
| 10:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | 5:22 |
| 10:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | how time flies when one is enjoying oneself |
| 10:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahem |
| 10:22.15 | wols | pettals: pastebin your Xorg log too. and you can irc from linux if you use irssi as your irc client |
| 10:22.31 | pettals | http://pastebin.com/d3fbefe13 |
| 10:22.52 | pettals | wols: i don't have the linux dialer actually for loggin in to the isp |
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| 10:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 10:23.24 | wols | pettals: output of lspci -nn |
| 10:23.37 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: the place where all packages are on the debian servers |
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| 10:23.46 | pettals | wols: i have posted the xorg log in the pastebin url as above. lspci i have to check |
| 10:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, so does it contain packages that are in no distribution whatsoever? |
| 10:24.13 | wols | pettals: and as I said the output of dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 10:24.18 | pettals | ok |
| 10:24.24 | pettals | will do and get back |
| 10:24.28 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: no. all the distribution packages are in that place. that's where they are |
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| 10:24.39 | ElDelfin | could anyone help me with an encrypted vlm question? |
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| 10:24.56 | wols | ElDelfin: only if you finally ask that question... |
| 10:25.06 | format_c | voudras, Are you doing a biography of your desktops? |
| 10:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, still wondering about that wiki and the instructions he followed - if all are in *some* distribution (even if it's experimental), why would it suggest a manual download of nvidia-glx from the pool directory? |
| 10:25.32 | voudras | format_c: lol |
| 10:25.43 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't |
| 10:25.53 | wols | it tells one to download nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 10:25.54 | ElDelfin | I used the debian net setup disk, and set up what used to be my C drive with an encrypted partition using the partition manager in the setup. works great. |
| 10:25.59 | Jckf | I have a computer here with a RAID1 setup. Debian seems to bypass the RAID controller and write directly to disc 1, leaving disc 2 not mirrored. This is a Silicon controller. Any help? |
| 10:25.59 | wols | and the packages are from sid, but he runs lenny |
| 10:26.14 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: he essentially does a ssb for the driver |
| 10:26.27 | wols | Jckf: use a software raid |
| 10:26.46 | wols | Jckf: you have to tell debian on installing you want a raid |
| 10:26.49 | ElDelfin | now, I want to set up what used to be the D drive the same way, but don't know how to do it from the desktup. I'd also like it to automatically use the same passphrase, instead of typing it in again. |
| 10:27.14 | ElDelfin | I'm using xfce |
| 10:27.16 | voudras | format_c: you missed my point i guess, on the first one |
| 10:27.25 | voudras | posted the second cause its hawt =P |
| 10:27.28 | ElDelfin | how do I do that? |
| 10:28.23 | voudras | hawt == hot (slang) |
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| 10:28.38 | Jckf | wols: Can I change to software from hardware without reinstalling? |
| 10:28.43 | voudras | (slang, sarcasm, humor hehe) |
| 10:28.56 | wols | Jckf: you never did a hardware raid since you don't have hardware raid |
| 10:29.02 | wols | and I dunno but I don't think so |
| 10:29.14 | format_c | thanks for the translation |
| 10:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, "but it was my own compiled kernel before, difference being i didnt dpkg -i <blah>.deb last time" - yes, I understood that, but you can just install the unpatched debian kernel and grab it's /boot/config-2.6.XX and start from that - that is normally much much less painful than getting a kernel configuration right oneself |
| 10:29.26 | voudras | sorry |
| 10:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, (as you are just learning right now, it seems) |
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| 10:30.04 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont usualy have a problem |
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| 10:30.19 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: learning no - they changed nf |
| 10:30.23 | Jckf | wols: I don't have hardware raid? It seems to me that I do have harware RAID, since everything reports that I do, and Debian loads sata_sil |
| 10:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... all the times I started from vanilla settings, I messed them up *somehow* |
| 10:30.32 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: or from the last custom kernel one made. the time alone to config everything again makes me shudder |
| 10:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, yeah |
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| 10:30.45 | wols | !tell Jckf about fakeraid |
| 10:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, but as he's trying to correct problems with his last custom kernel, grabbing a debian one and starting from its config is probably preferrable |
| 10:31.28 | voudras | CutMeOwnThroat: they changed netfilter around and this is the first time i've rolled a debian kernel the "debian" way - now, dont confuse that with being new to debian or linux for that matter |
| 10:31.35 | Jckf | wols: Ok. Thank you |
| 10:31.58 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: from what knowledge he's shown so far, apt-get install linux-image-688 is the most preferable of all |
| 10:32.14 | voudras | right, and im still on ignor |
| 10:32.28 | wols | voudras: notice the bullshit about chaning netfilter? possibly they changed the place it's in menuconfig and that's all it takes for him not to find it anymore |
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| 10:32.53 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, is there anyway i can create a .deb package of this nvidia kernel driver and glx binary so i can transfer it to other systems? |
| 10:33.06 | simonrvn | i guess typing / and looking for it is too difficult |
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| 10:33.22 | wols | Darkentity: if you did it the debian way you did |
| 10:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, I thought that's what you did? |
| 10:33.48 | Darkentity | wols, so i need to repeat these steps then |
| 10:33.53 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 10:34.03 | wols | Darkentity: check /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:34.10 | wols | Darkentity: no |
| 10:34.14 | Darkentity | thanks wols |
| 10:34.16 | wols | since you already did it, why repeat it |
| 10:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Darkentity, also look in /usr/src and/or the directory you did the things from |
| 10:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (think I just did that stuff in /usr/src) |
| 10:35.38 | wols | just lookg on the whole disk for nvidia-glx |
| 10:35.47 | voudras | condasending prick, no? |
| 10:36.04 | format_c | ok guys. time for lunch. Bye. |
| 10:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | voudras, I don't consider myself new... but I avoid having to configure a kernel like sticking glowing needles into my skin... |
| 10:36.22 | voudras | done it a billion times |
| 10:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 10:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | then have fun |
| 10:36.40 | simonrvn | should be able to type / andddddddd look for it then ;) |
| 10:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | billion+1st time should be simple |
| 10:36.47 | simonrvn | baaah |
| 10:36.57 | voudras | you'd think |
| 10:37.01 | simonrvn | wtf happened there? |
| 10:37.12 | ElDelfin | ? |
| 10:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, your cat walked over the keyboard? |
| 10:37.29 | simonrvn | key repeat too high... |
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| 10:37.42 | Darkentity | wols and CutMeOwnThroat i love you guys thanks |
| 10:38.25 | voudras | shit still doesnt work right |
| 10:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't be female, young, extremely good looking and living close to here, though? |
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| 10:39.15 | Darkentity | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry bro, but i'm a dude |
| 10:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then forget about it... :) |
| 10:39.33 | voudras | that didnt stop him last time ^^ |
| 10:39.38 | Darkentity | lol |
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| 10:40.39 | pettals | wols: here's the lspci -nn output in pastebin http://pastebin.com/d5f48f101 |
| 10:40.59 | pettals | dpkg -l | grep nvidia returned no results.. this means nvidia drivers are not installed |
| 10:40.59 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia returned no results.. this means nvidia drivers are not installed 3.1-14.3 pettals's private gamp collection |
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| 10:41.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, there, dpkg |
| 10:42.26 | wols | pettals: that'ws not a nvidia 6100. what integrated nvidia chipset is this? |
| 10:42.28 | user1 | hey folks, i got problems with my sound-devices. system sound is comming through the boxes but amarok goes through my headset Oo how could i change that? i like amarok to play through the boxes too |
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| 10:42.55 | wols | pettals: you might need a newer nvidia driver which supports this chip. |
| 10:43.04 | wols | pettals: and I asked for other things too |
| 10:43.12 | pettals | lspci -nn |
| 10:43.18 | Raylz | how do i install opengl on debian? |
| 10:43.27 | Raylz | eselect opengl set nvidia doesnt work |
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| 10:43.33 | wols | pettals: I didn't just ask for lspci but for dpkg -l|grep nvidia too |
| 10:43.34 | pettals | i have posted in pastenbin http://pastebin.com/d5f48f101 |
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| 10:43.41 | Pulpie | hey all |
| 10:43.46 | pettals | yes that's returned no results |
| 10:43.48 | wols | Raylz: you simply install a 3D capable driver |
| 10:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | user1, settings->configure amarok->engine |
| 10:44.05 | wols | pettals: then you didn't install debian nvidia packages. use them or we cannot help you |
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| 10:44.12 | Usiu | hi |
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| 10:44.19 | Usiu | where to get wpasupplicant udeb |
| 10:44.24 | wols | Raylz: output of glxinfo |
| 10:44.37 | pettals | which one should i use, i thought while installing debian, it must have done by default. |
| 10:44.40 | wols | Usiu: I don't think ther eis one |
| 10:44.42 | wols | *is one |
| 10:44.48 | Raylz | wols: bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 10:44.55 | wols | pettals: no. nvidia is non free software |
| 10:45.04 | user1 | @CutMeOwnThroat i tryed this allready, but that failed |
| 10:45.05 | wols | !tell Raylz about ijnstallit |
| 10:45.09 | wols | Raylz: mesa-utils |
| 10:45.23 | wols | !tell pettals about nvidia |
| 10:45.40 | pettals | i am using nvidia geforce 7000M/nForce 610M |
| 10:46.12 | wols | !tell Raylz about installit |
| 10:46.25 | Usiu | wols: :( |
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| 10:47.05 | wols | Usiu: why would you need it? |
| 10:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | user1, should most probably be set to alsa (try oss, too) - there is nothing inherently magical about amarok |
| 10:47.07 | pettals | wols: ok.. one more question, is there a way i can boot my debian from windows |
| 10:47.13 | jkp | hey all, anyone know how to remove a pvgroup from lvm's cache? |
| 10:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, g'night and toodeloo |
| 10:47.35 | jkp | i once connected one drive from a pvgroup of another box but subsequently disconnected it |
| 10:47.37 | wols | pettals: virtualbox maybe |
| 10:47.53 | Usiu | wols: for my custom debian cd install |
| 10:47.54 | jkp | now if i do a pvdisplay i get told the volume that was in this group could not be located |
| 10:48.03 | jkp | is there a way to clear the cache of vg's? |
| 10:48.05 | wols | pettals: but it's an advanced feature there. so practically no. besides. it wouldn't help you to get your nvidia going at all |
| 10:48.07 | user1 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx ^^ |
| 10:48.10 | user1 | it works |
| 10:48.14 | Raylz | wols: Error: glXCreateContext failed |
| 10:48.26 | Raylz | ive installed the nvidia driver though |
| 10:48.34 | wols | Raylz: then you don't have proper drivers installed. what videocard? what driver do you use currently? |
| 10:48.35 | pettals | wol: yes but everytime i have to reboot the system to linux |
| 10:48.46 | wols | Raylz: how did you install it? from what debian package? |
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| 10:49.01 | wols | pettals: life's tough |
| 10:49.07 | Usiu | wols: I would like to have wpa with this installer |
| 10:49.08 | Raylz | wols: from the nvidia homepage |
| 10:49.09 | pettals | yups :-) |
| 10:49.10 | Raylz | wols: 173.14.12 |
| 10:49.23 | wols | Raylz: we don't support nvidia.com drivers. go ask #nvidia or something |
| 10:49.33 | Raylz | wols: are there any debian drivers? |
| 10:49.36 | wols | Raylz: fyi, they break your package management |
| 10:49.36 | Raylz | ah |
| 10:49.38 | wols | yes there are |
| 10:49.44 | wols | !tell Raylz about nvidia |
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| 10:50.01 | asdzxc | hi |
| 10:50.05 | asdzxc | my serial port seems to be blocked somehow |
| 10:50.11 | asdzxc | how can i unblock it or reset or something ? |
| 10:50.39 | asdzxc | it was working good, i was able to write to it on one server and read the data on the other side |
| 10:50.54 | asdzxc | now i can write but no data will come from it |
| 10:51.01 | wols | pettals: fix your internet acces sn debian. it's highly unlikely you need a special dialer unless you use AOL |
| 10:51.39 | SOG | is there any command to set my video card and resolution ? |
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| 10:51.56 | wols | SOG: what debian version? |
| 10:52.01 | SOG | 4.0 |
| 10:52.07 | wols | !tell SOG about drxx |
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| 10:52.23 | SOG | nice, thanks wols because I only get 640x480 |
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| 10:53.36 | SOG | wols is there another commmand beside dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? Becaus I tried, it ask me for the Video card's address, so I type in the one I got from lspci but it said it's not the right card format... I seems to have prbolems installing this Video card, but it runs fine on Ubuntu, it's strange |
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| 10:54.24 | wols | SOG: you mean PCI address? |
| 10:54.47 | wols | or BUS ID? |
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| 10:54.55 | SOG | ya PCI address, but somehow I think the card I have is AGP, but I am not sure, the address is 00:0d.0 something like that |
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| 10:55.20 | Raylz | wols: is nvidia-kernel-common enough? |
| 10:55.22 | simonrvn | you don't need to put that unless you have more than one video card installed. |
| 10:55.36 | wols | Raylz: no |
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| 10:55.39 | simonrvn | that's pci |
| 10:55.42 | wols | Raylz: tehre are howtos. follow them |
| 10:55.47 | Raylz | i cant find the other packages mentioned in the wiki |
| 10:55.58 | wols | Raylz: you miss non-free and contrib |
| 10:56.01 | SOG | simonrvn I don't have two cards |
| 10:56.01 | Raylz | deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 10:56.05 | simonrvn | !tell Raylz -about non-free |
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| 10:56.11 | Raylz | they are in my sources.list |
| 10:56.13 | simonrvn | oh nm that :) |
| 10:56.13 | wols | Raylz: then you didn't read the factoid |
| 10:56.33 | SOG | but wols and simonrvn it won't detect my card... at least it seems so, I only get 640x480 resolutoin |
| 10:56.34 | wols | !tell Raylz about nvidia lenny |
| 10:56.43 | wols | SOG: what videocard is it? |
| 10:56.45 | simonrvn | SOG: then leave it blank |
| 10:56.57 | simonrvn | that has nothing to do with "detection" |
| 10:56.59 | wols | SOG: the Bus ID needs to stay blank |
| 10:57.20 | Raylz | wols: oO |
| 10:57.25 | SOG | wols I am pretty sure it's a ATI Rage Mobility P/M Mach64 |
| 10:57.32 | Raylz | wols: i want my lenny to be stable in the end, so |
| 10:57.42 | Raylz | wols: may be better to wait for lenny stable |
| 10:57.47 | wols | SOG: you talk about lspci. why aren't you sure? lspci nicely tells you |
| 10:58.01 | wols | Raylz: no guarantee it will be in |
| 10:58.25 | SOG | wols yes, it ask me for an address and ask me to get it from lspci, but when i enter it said it's not the correct format... let me try it again |
| 10:58.28 | Raylz | wols: i use gentoo for experimental stuff |
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| 10:59.03 | wols | SOG: I told you to leave it blank |
| 10:59.05 | Raylz | i dont like to mix stable and unstable on my lenny though |
| 10:59.14 | SOG | let me try again wols |
| 10:59.19 | simonrvn | SOG: because lspci spits out hex, and you need decimal for x. leave. it. blank. |
| 10:59.59 | SOG | wols it said Video Card's bus identifier, so I just leave it blank ? |
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| 11:00.20 | wols | SOG: learn to read. goodbye |
| 11:00.26 | SOG | OH! it does process.. what about when it ask me how many MB of RAM I have on my Video card ? |
| 11:00.36 | simonrvn | blank |
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| 11:01.25 | SOG | I just did... let me see what I get from this settings... um... |
| 11:01.44 | simonrvn | i meant for the video ram |
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| 11:02.07 | SOG | ya, I left the Video RAM blank |
| 11:02.11 | TrentPunchbowl | Could anybody please tell me if I were to download debian off the site right now for my eeepc, what version would the kernel be straight out of the box ? |
| 11:02.13 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:02.23 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: depends on the version |
| 11:02.31 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: of the debian iso you download |
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| 11:02.35 | SOG | simonrvn so do I just restart now? |
| 11:02.46 | simonrvn | restart what? |
| 11:03.01 | wols | the PC |
| 11:03.19 | SOG | ya |
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| 11:03.26 | simonrvn | no. why would you do that? |
| 11:03.45 | wols | simonrvn: are you new here? do you have to ask? |
| 11:03.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 11:04.07 | SOG | because I just finished the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, don't need to reboot to load the config? |
| 11:04.12 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:04.29 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 11:04.30 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 11:04.36 | SOG | But this is one odd LCd monitor anyway... 1024 x 480 ... |
| 11:04.47 | TrentPunchbowl | Wols --> it's from Index of /debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd. the i386 version |
| 11:05.00 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: 2.6.18 |
| 11:05.20 | TrentPunchbowl | thanks so much man that will be why my vm wont boot it |
| 11:05.23 | TrentPunchbowl | i had the wrong kernel in the config |
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| 11:06.50 | SOG | Oh.. same... only have 640 x 480 in the "screen resolution preferences" settings um... strange |
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| 11:07.33 | wols | SOG: check your Xorg log |
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| 11:08.06 | SOG | thanks wols i will try, strange it should work, ubuntu works though |
| 11:08.28 | TrentPunchbowl | #$%@ DebianVM still wont start. Keeps telling me Operating system not found. |
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| 11:09.17 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: do you have installed a bootloader? |
| 11:09.46 | SOG | I wonder if the Xorg file in Ubuntu will work in Debian :D |
| 11:10.48 | TrentPunchbowl | wols - Yep there is Lilo that boots at startup |
| 11:10.53 | simonrvn | looks like you'll need to add a Modes line to display subsection... i do for this card+monitor |
| 11:11.01 | TrentPunchbowl | But i dont know why its even there, i only have one OS on the computer and that is Backtrack |
| 11:11.03 | sax | i have a problem with retriving changelogs for new unstable packages like tzdata "E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2008g-1/changelog" |
| 11:11.09 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: in your VM? debian doesn'tuse lilo normally |
| 11:11.16 | TrentPunchbowl | oh |
| 11:11.18 | TrentPunchbowl | umm in vm |
| 11:11.25 | sax | coul someone gave me a hint ? |
| 11:11.25 | TrentPunchbowl | im sooo new to vm but i dont think there is any kind of bootloader |
| 11:11.39 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: linux never boots when there is no bootloader preseent |
| 11:11.40 | TrentPunchbowl | i just start vmware workstation and then create a virtual machine and run it |
| 11:11.48 | TrentPunchbowl | oh |
| 11:11.52 | TrentPunchbowl | lol i just learned something :) |
| 11:11.58 | wols | TrentPunchbowl:debian installs a bootloader when installing automatically |
| 11:12.12 | wols | you have to go out of your way to not install it |
| 11:12.19 | TrentPunchbowl | so in order to get one distro of linux working as a virtual machine on another distro of linux, i have to have a bootloader configured into vmware workstation?? |
| 11:12.41 | wols | into your VM's image yes |
| 11:13.00 | TrentPunchbowl | lol how am i supposed to edit an iso like that ? |
| 11:13.16 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: you aren't. you said you have installed debian? |
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| 11:13.57 | TrentPunchbowl | no i am running on backtrack |
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| 11:14.09 | wols | TrentPunchbowl: in the fcuking VM! |
| 11:15.16 | TrentPunchbowl | chill out mate i got a lot of shit to absorb here, sorry |
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| 11:15.32 | SOG | ha ha |
| 11:16.44 | SOG | Oic... so Debian used to use Xfree86... |
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| 11:17.07 | wols | SOG: all distros were a few years ago |
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| 11:17.37 | SOG | I only run text a few years ago... firewalls :D |
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| 11:21.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:21.23 | dpkg | from memory, qotd208 is <Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/ |
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| 11:21.40 | liable | heh |
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| 11:22.29 | Flexa | Hello guys! :-) |
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| 11:22.59 | beware | why does debian use md5 hashes for security purposes? |
| 11:23.52 | tictac | so that you know if a file has been altered since being uploaded to the mirror, either due to corruption or malicious purposes. |
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| 11:25.14 | beware | md5 is obsoleted and trivially breakable |
| 11:25.17 | abrotman | beware: use them where? |
| 11:25.22 | abrotman | and hardly trivially |
| 11:25.24 | beware | the question should be read as "why not sha1" |
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| 11:25.47 | beware | there are apps out there to produce 2 different files with the same md5 |
| 11:26.04 | abrotman | where are you using md5s on debian ? |
| 11:26.22 | beware | i see them in the security mailinglist |
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| 11:26.32 | wols | abrotman: debsums |
| 11:26.55 | beware | why doesnt debian use sha1 |
| 11:27.20 | abrotman | file a bug .. md5 collisions are extremely rare |
| 11:28.00 | wols | especially of two files that are valid deb packages |
| 11:28.00 | beware | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=md5+collision+generator&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 11:28.18 | cahoot | as rare as breakable ssl keys? |
| 11:28.34 | wols | cahoot: implementation errors are a different thing |
| 11:28.36 | abrotman | pshaw .. those are easy! |
| 11:28.52 | abrotman | beware: and have you tried any of those collision generators ? |
| 11:29.19 | beware | no |
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| 11:29.37 | beware | but give me a good reason to not move to newer crypto primitives |
| 11:29.40 | abrotman | that first one doesn't take one file and generate a second .. |
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| 11:32.45 | SOG | um.. the Xorg config file in Debian is xorg.cf, xorg.lst, or xorg.list? anyone know ? |
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| 11:33.10 | cahoot | SOG: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:33.58 | SOG | oh, thanks cahoot I might try to put the xorg file from Xubuntu on to my Debian, or I mean edit the one in Debian, I wonder if that will work |
| 11:33.59 | dqn | hello. I'm running out of free space on my partition and would like to "apt-get remove" some of the disk heavy packages. Is there any way I could check which packages take up a lot or disk space? |
| 11:34.19 | dqn | *a lot of |
| 11:35.12 | abrotman | !tell dqn about sort by size |
| 11:35.39 | dqn | wow, thanks alot |
| 11:37.43 | beware | http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/Nostradamus/ <-- practical use of a md5 collision on a valid file |
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| 11:39.06 | SOG | Oh, the xorg.conf seems differnet on differnet system :o |
| 11:39.33 | SOG | but the monitor part seems same |
| 11:39.40 | SOG | ha, I will give it a try |
| 11:39.55 | abrotman | beware: so file a bug .. or send a patch |
| 11:40.56 | SOG | um? |
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| 11:41.12 | SOG | i will make backups |
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| 11:41.18 | beware | which package should i file it for |
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| 11:41.44 | abrotman | where are you using md5sums? debsums ? |
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| 11:42.18 | beware | im not actively using any package, im just receiving mails on the security list |
| 11:42.26 | abrotman | the DSAs ? |
| 11:42.33 | beware | yes |
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| 11:45.46 | abrotman | beware: you'd have to talk to the debian-security team .. apt-cache show bash for example has md5/sha1/sha256 .. so they could tell you to use sha1sum |
| 11:45.54 | andeghos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.00 | abrotman | or sha256sum |
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| 11:48.14 | beware | i can only really use the hash function used in the DSA to verify things |
| 11:48.39 | abrotman | i meant for them to include multiple hash checks |
| 11:49.06 | SOG | YES! iT work! just edit the Xorg.config |
| 11:49.11 | SOG | brb, getting soem food |
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| 11:49.15 | abrotman | xorg.conf ? |
| 11:49.18 | beware | how do i talk to the debian security team |
| 11:49.37 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
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| 11:51.12 | ElDelfin | anybody know about encrypted partitions? |
| 11:51.25 | abrotman | and if someone did? |
| 11:51.55 | ElDelfin | I used the net setup disk to create a boot partition and an encrypted one. |
| 11:52.15 | ElDelfin | I'd like to format another hd to be encrypted and use the same passphrase |
| 11:52.44 | ElDelfin | I'd prefer not to have to enter it every time i access the other disk. is this possible? |
| 11:53.09 | sax | i have a problem with retriving changelogs with aptitude for new unstable packages like tzdata "E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2008g-1/changelog" |
| 11:53.14 | wintix | ElDelfin: have a look at cryptsetup and your fstab |
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| 11:53.21 | sax | i running debian unstable, aptitude 0.4.11.10 compiled at Sep 14 2008 21:14:50 |
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| 11:54.29 | abrotman | sax: you could uninstall apt-listchanges |
| 11:54.43 | ElDelfin | I've seen tutorials on it, but it looks pretty involved, and none seem to apply to my case. I'm pretty new at linux. I think cruptsetup is something i need. i wonder if I can use the net setup disk to do it. |
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| 11:55.25 | ElDelfin | (pretty involved = beyond my current depth in linux) |
| 11:56.12 | abrotman | you did well enough to get one encrypted :) |
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| 11:57.39 | ElDelfin | my guess is if I used the net setup disk, it would ask me to type the same passphrase twice every time, once during boot, and later, again, when I first used the 2nd hd. |
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| 11:59.09 | ElDelfin | I'd like to set the computer for unattended operation, except the one passphrase on booting, for somebody else to use. |
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| 12:03.21 | abrotman | sax: do not msg me |
| 12:03.57 | abrotman | when i tell people not to msg me .. why to the msg me to apologize? |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | do they |
| 12:04.09 | avu | heh |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | to the .. too early .. |
| 12:04.40 | sax | abrotman: sorry long time not using IRC forgot some things |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | sax: it would appear that your aptitude is using apt-listchanges to fetch the changelog to show you .. if you uninstall that you won't get that error |
| 12:05.27 | sax | abrotman: but i manually check that web page |
| 12:05.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:05.39 | sax | and there was not any changelogs for version i need |
| 12:05.52 | abrotman | sax: which architecture ? |
| 12:05.56 | ElDelfin | abrotman: i think i need to use a keyfile on the first hd for the second hd |
| 12:06.03 | avu | so apt-listchanges was in fact right in telling you that this file doesn't exist? :) |
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| 12:06.42 | sax | abrotman: i have not installed apt-listchanges |
| 12:06.52 | sax | abrotman: amd64 |
| 12:06.53 | abrotman | heh .. the packages.debian.org/sid/tzdata changelog link .. doesn't point to the changelog for that version |
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| 12:07.04 | sax | and many other packages |
| 12:07.31 | sax | for example |
| 12:07.34 | sax | ncurses-base ncurses-bin ncurses-term pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules selinux-policy-default tzdata |
| 12:07.40 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2008f-1/changelog |
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| 12:07.48 | abrotman | that's the most recent one |
| 12:08.55 | sax | why the aptitude wats to download higher version ? |
| 12:09.02 | sax | aptitude changelog tzdata |
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| 12:09.37 | abrotman | because you're using unstable .. and the version in unstable is g-1 or whatever ..but there's no changelog for it |
| 12:10.00 | avu | sax, if you already have the package installed, just look for the changelog in /usr/share/doc/tzdata |
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| 12:11.01 | sax | abrotman: i want to loog for changelogs before update :-) |
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| 12:11.33 | sax | abrotman: it has no logic to look there after installation |
| 12:12.08 | abrotman | seems like the maintainer goofed |
| 12:12.10 | pettals | wols: i tried to install nividia kernel drivers into my debian system built from etchnhalf ... i didn't installed saying that it requires kernel 2.16.18 |
| 12:12.15 | sax | how can exist a deb package without changelog ? |
| 12:12.24 | abrotman | you could grab the package from packages.debian.org .. and manually extract and inspect the changelog |
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| 12:12.51 | sax | :-) for 42 packages it would be not so easy :-) |
| 12:13.15 | abrotman | 42 have missing changelogs ? |
| 12:13.31 | avu | sax, then use apt-listchanges |
| 12:13.37 | sax | there have to be some scripts wchich will do it for me, anyway it it a ugly workaround. |
| 12:14.14 | sax | i supoose tasht apt-listchanges will not be working but i will try. do you ahave any other suggestuion ? perhaps this is a bug, or ? |
| 12:14.35 | abrotman | avu: i'd imagine apt-listchanges uses the same mechanism and would fail too |
| 12:14.36 | liable | hehe, logcheck just sent me a mail about a mail it sent me.. |
| 12:14.53 | avu | abrotman, I wouldn't count on that |
| 12:15.00 | avu | abrotman, it sure doesn't use aptitude changelog |
| 12:15.14 | abrotman | i meant grabbing the changelog from packages.debian.org |
| 12:15.17 | avu | abrotman, I'd say it explicitly requests the changelog for the exact version just downloaded |
| 12:15.23 | avu | not 'the newest version' |
| 12:15.48 | pettals | will this solve my problem : http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/xserver-xorg-video-nv/download |
| 12:15.53 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tzdata/current/changelog.html |
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| 12:21.05 | abrotman | beware: did you send an email? |
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| 12:35.53 | beware | im working on it |
| 12:36.00 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:43.26 | man_in_shack | anyone know if thttpd supports php? |
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| 12:45.36 | abrotman | man_in_shack: maybe via php5-cgi |
| 12:46.09 | simonrvn | i know lighttpd does php, via php-cgi |
| 12:47.06 | man_in_shack | pretty sure thttpd has cgi support |
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| 12:50.20 | paratox | hello! wich owner should own the www path if i run apache2 and some php apps like mybb and wordpress? |
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| 12:51.47 | Jrm | www-data |
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| 12:55.27 | wols | Jrm: no |
| 12:55.38 | wols | paratox: it should stay what it is |
| 12:56.11 | SOG | yes abrotman the Xorg file |
| 12:56.11 | g00se__ | Is it possible to have grub stage2 on another disk and boot it by simply adding the correct entry to the menu - i.e. without any installing or writes to the system itself? |
| 12:56.22 | paratox | ok, now the whole folder and subfolders are owned by www-data |
| 12:57.02 | paratox | should i chown -R the www with user root? |
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| 12:57.49 | paratox | will a php app like mybb forum work if the files are owned by root? |
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| 12:58.41 | abrotman | paratox: they should not be |
| 12:59.08 | nsk | paratox: generally the script/php files are owned by the wwwserver's user and the configuration files by a user with some more security |
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| 12:59.59 | nsk | paratox: if the script needs to write files in a subdirectory then that directory should be owned by a user so that the webserver can write stuff there |
| 13:00.43 | nsk | paratox: usually the script authors explain the needed settings in a readme or installation how-to file or in other documentation |
| 13:01.33 | g00se__ | What i often do is to add www-data to the me group, where 'me' is my username and make the tree group-writable. That way i don't have to sudo su or chown so much for www-data |
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| 13:01.48 | paratox | ok, so php files do have to be owned by www-data? |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | no |
| 13:02.35 | man_in_shack | "have to" is maybe not the right expression |
| 13:02.51 | nsk | paratox: not necessarily, but very often they are owned by www-data. they could be owned by another user but in such a way so that www-data could actually read them |
| 13:02.56 | g00se__ | paratox: it's not quite so much who owns them as who can write to them |
| 13:03.20 | g00se__ | (and www-data will often need to) |
| 13:03.21 | man_in_shack | g00se__, more importantly, who can READ them |
| 13:03.37 | man_in_shack | www-data generally doesn't need to WRITE php scripts |
| 13:03.37 | abrotman | it does? |
| 13:04.06 | nsk | most scripts don't write to themselves, except for some config files, and I don't think it's a good idea to let www-data write to any php script |
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| 13:04.26 | g00se__ | man_in_shack: well i thought that went without saying. It's when config files need to be written to that can cause probs |
| 13:05.05 | man_in_shack | g00se__, what webserver configuration needs to WRITE config files when scripts are accessed? |
| 13:05.09 | paratox | ok, i see, it`s realy complicated |
| 13:05.15 | paratox | ^^ |
| 13:05.50 | g00se__ | man_in_shack: Err, say when a CMS is being installed? |
| 13:05.54 | paratox | man_in_shack: so wich user should own the www folder? root? |
| 13:06.38 | paratox | is it saver, if root owns the www folder? |
| 13:06.48 | paratox | safer |
| 13:06.53 | man_in_shack | g00se__, CMS doesn't write *server* configuration, nor does it normally write its configuration to php scripts. normally, they use sql database |
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| 13:07.26 | paratox | man_in_shack: that`s wright. all my php apps write only to mysql |
| 13:07.38 | paratox | right |
| 13:07.48 | g00se__ | man_in_shack: I can tell you that Joomla keeps its config partly in a php file/script |
| 13:07.50 | man_in_shack | will wright? :P |
| 13:07.52 | bonly | hi all |
| 13:08.07 | man_in_shack | g00se__, then it sucks more than i originally thought. glad i decided against it |
| 13:08.38 | paratox | couse of joomla ma server was hacked |
| 13:08.47 | g00se__ | man_in_shack: If your perms are wrong (not writable by www-data) then you won't be able to install it |
| 13:08.47 | paratox | i never use joomla again |
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| 13:09.17 | man_in_shack | g00se__, directories, i'd understand, but user-written php scripts, certainly not |
| 13:09.54 | Usiu | Hi |
| 13:10.07 | Usiu | what is /dev/nbd0 device ? |
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| 13:11.23 | g00se__ | paratox: That's an extreme attitude. If you took it to its logical conclusion, then you shouldn't be here - because of - ahem - a certain little ssh key problem |
| 13:11.51 | paratox | man_in_shack: so should i try to chown the whole directory to root? if the php files only write to a mysql database this should be no problem? |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:12.06 | abrotman | paratox: root should not own those files in any way |
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| 13:12.59 | paratox | g00se__: what do you mean? |
| 13:13.23 | dqn | what's the quickest and easiest way to pull something from mysql database in bash shell (for test purposes)? |
| 13:13.23 | g00se__ | paratox: man_in_shack is right: writing *to* scripts is not normally necessary. www-data might need to write to directories |
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| 13:13.48 | man_in_shack | i'd better be damn right, i'm teaching classes in unix systems administration :P |
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| 13:14.52 | g00se__ | paratox: I meant your approach of dumping Joomla because of a security problem, but don't worry about it now |
| 13:15.58 | aliases123 | paratox: why are you using a computer. they are full of holes. |
| 13:16.09 | paratox | g00se__: ok, it wos not only the joomla script, why i was hacked. maybe i`m not pro anough! |
| 13:16.16 | paratox | ^^ |
| 13:16.18 | aliases123 | paratox: there will be bugs and security problems. don't dump it because of them. too many is ap roblem. |
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| 13:16.40 | dqn | I want to do some tests on a certain string from my database (hexdump, determine encoding etc), was just wondering if there's one one-line trick that I could use to "take it out" in shell :S |
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| 13:17.31 | abrotman | file ? |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | not really making sense |
| 13:18.00 | dqn | no it's a database in mysql |
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| 13:18.12 | Illarane | Hiya, I need to set up a basic DNS server and trying to understand BIND is like trying to translate hieroglyphics. Is there a CLI configuration tool or similar somewhere within apt that will ask me for domains and IP addresses and create the files for me? :( |
| 13:18.46 | dqn | abrotman: why is it no making sense, tell be because I may be doing something wrong |
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| 13:20.30 | dqn | for example I'd like to do something like echo $( some_line_from_mysql ) |
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| 13:21.11 | abrotman | dqn: give an example string if you can |
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| 13:21.50 | zok | I'm installing debian from the netinst, it is not detecting the integrated ethernet card. How would I go about figuring out which driver from the list to use? |
| 13:22.06 | dqn | abrotman: some data I have stored in my database, for example "John Smith" from the names table |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | and you want to know the encoding? |
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| 13:23.34 | dqn | abrotman: ok well what I'm actually trying to do is, I have info about japanese characters and they all come up as "??????" |
| 13:23.50 | boodie | Hi - is Lenny still 'testing'? |
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| 13:24.00 | dqn | abrotman: so I thought I'll pull one line, run it trough things like iconv -f eucjp -t utf8 and see what I get |
| 13:24.15 | dqn | abrotman: because I might have messed up the encodings |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | so use that :) |
| 13:24.33 | sax | abrotman: installing apt-listchanges solw problem but it's displayng changelogs after downloading. i also find nice package daptup fro packages changes |
| 13:24.55 | dqn | abrotman: yeah but how can I pull a line with the "?????" so I can do something with it in bash shell? |
| 13:25.09 | dqn | abrotman: if I copy & paste I get question marks |
| 13:25.26 | boodie | Ok. a little hint: how do I sort the files of a directory, recursively, sorted by their size? |
| 13:25.29 | aliases123 | boodie: yes. |
| 13:25.37 | dqn | abrotman: not the actual data that's really stored in database |
| 13:25.44 | sax | abrotman: displaying changelogs on demand from cmd line or aptitude gui still not working. |
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| 13:26.05 | chuck | Hi, I'm getting a ton of errors with the security repository: |
| 13:26.06 | chuck | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 2002:ccd:9bec:1:2e0:4cff:fecd:fe8f 80] |
| 13:26.09 | chuck | Any ideas why? |
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| 13:27.19 | aliases123 | chuck: odd. that's an ip6 address from the looks of it. |
| 13:27.32 | chuck | I know, I just configured 6to4 a few days ago. |
| 13:27.43 | abrotman | sax: i told you .. it doesn't exist for the version you have |
| 13:27.44 | greeq | anyone knows how to get tvtime working. it says it cant find my card on "input 0" |
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| 13:29.42 | zok | I think the driver that I need for my ethernet card is the e1000e |
| 13:29.50 | zok | It's a gigabyte ethernet card |
| 13:29.58 | zok | And that driver is not on the netinst cd |
| 13:30.31 | zok | Is there a way I can stick it on a usb drive and have the netinst look there for the driver? |
| 13:31.03 | themill | zok: that driver is on both the etchnhalf and lenny netinst images so use them instead. |
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| 13:31.43 | zok | hah, awesome |
| 13:31.45 | zok | Thanks themill :) |
| 13:33.11 | dustybin | does anybody know how to 'select all' with vim? |
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| 13:34.25 | sax | abrotman: but when it is inside of deb package it should be also in web page, it have to be |
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| 13:35.51 | abrotman | sax: packages.debian.org is not an instant reference ... it used to be days out of date |
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| 13:44.28 | jim_p | hi guys |
| 13:44.33 | jim_p | do i use checkinstall with sudo in front to make a deb? i used it without sudo, did its "trikcs and dialogs" but i still have no package! if i use sudo to make the .deb, i have to move it around with root provilegdes to get it to the local repo |
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| 13:47.18 | sax | abrotman: what is then instant reference ? |
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| 13:47.55 | Paki | hi |
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| 13:48.15 | abrotman | sax: download the package and unpackage it :) |
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| 13:48.58 | spanther | good morning :) |
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| 13:49.07 | dustybin | is there a way of forwarding a X session onto the machine your ssh'ing from? i understand you can use ssh -x, is there more to it than that? |
| 13:49.14 | jim_p | !checkinstall |
| 13:49.14 | dpkg | methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 13:49.19 | asg | dustybin: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 13:50.02 | abrotman | sax: would you like me to get the package and pastebin the changelog for oyu ? |
| 13:51.35 | asg | !breastfeed abrotman |
| 13:51.35 | dpkg | gives abrotman the left nipple |
| 13:51.44 | spanther | asg lol |
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| 13:53.04 | MrWGW | can I give a non root user access to a tty with screen? |
| 13:53.55 | H2S04 | MrWGW, sure. |
| 13:54.03 | MrWGW | how? |
| 13:54.08 | MrWGW | I get access denied errors |
| 13:54.18 | MrWGW | I'm trying to help a guy access my Cisco 6500 for recreational purposes |
| 13:54.24 | H2S04 | How are you doing it now? |
| 13:54.33 | MrWGW | screen /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 13:55.09 | H2S04 | you have your screenrc file setup? |
| 13:55.14 | dudeman | seriously!!!!! |
| 13:55.17 | dudeman | !enter |
| 13:55.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:55.29 | MrWGW | H2S04: no |
| 13:55.38 | dudeman | (I can see how it gets irritating.) |
| 13:55.49 | MrWGW | is there another really bog easy way to give him access without giving him / ? |
| 13:55.51 | H2S04 | dudeman, I used punctuation! |
| 13:55.51 | MrWGW | well # |
| 13:56.01 | MrWGW | H2S04: he probably was referring to me |
| 13:56.12 | MrWGW | btw, is your SN a reference to the famous joke about the chemist? |
| 13:56.12 | H2S04 | I know that is why I had to complain. |
| 13:56.18 | H2S04 | he didn't say your nick first! |
| 13:56.25 | MrWGW | is notorious on Freenode for abuse of RETURN |
| 13:56.28 | MrWGW | and I don't care, either |
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| 13:56.48 | dudeman | you better start caring. |
| 13:56.55 | MrWGW | it hasn't stopped me from making a lot of friends on this network with people who are able to overlook superficial details like typography |
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| 13:57.45 | dudeman | as long as you don't abuse enter, we are ok. As for your personal belief system, its useless to me. Keep it on topic, constructive, and kindly do not abuse enter. |
| 13:58.02 | dudeman | Good day. |
| 13:58.12 | H2S04 | you can't just screen /dev/tty and expect it to work there are permissions issues for one. |
| 13:58.27 | MrWGW | H2S04: that's fine, could I change its permissions temporarily? |
| 13:58.38 | MrWGW | i.e. chown it to the limited user, then chown it back when he's done? |
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| 14:00.39 | sax | abrotman: i do not understand your question |
| 14:01.10 | MrWGW | oh nvm, duuuh, /me had him telnet it instead |
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| 14:01.14 | abrotman | sax: how about i get the package and extract it so you can look at the changelog .. if there is one |
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| 14:02.01 | assasuk | hi everyone, is there know of any bug for dhcpclient on lenny? i cant get a lease with it... |
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| 14:02.32 | nsk | I think my lenny gets a dhcp lease just fine |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | assasuk: bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:02.54 | assasuk | abrotman, already searched there |
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| 14:03.39 | bunnyto | help, in gnome somehow my numeric pad is just working as arrows , even with the num lock, how to disable that? |
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| 14:05.09 | dutchfish | hi, where did the linux-image-2.6.x-x-xen packages went for lenny? Am I supposed to build them from the xen-source, or is this temperarely? |
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| 14:05.25 | sax | abrotman: i have list of packages and their changelog, but after dovnload :-) and it is list of 40 packages. it is not comfortable to do it manulanlly |
| 14:06.00 | sax | thank you for your help/effort |
| 14:06.00 | dutchfish | bunnyto, what happens if you press numlock 2 times? |
| 14:06.29 | bunnyto | dutchfish: numerics keys still doesnt work, the mouse pointer moves instead |
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| 14:07.29 | dutchfish | bunnyto, is this a usb keyb ? |
| 14:07.35 | bunnyto | dutchfish: yes |
| 14:07.40 | cdleonard | I'm getting an error with apt-key update |
| 14:07.41 | cdleonard | http://rafb.net/p/eF8B0z15.html |
| 14:08.03 | cdleonard | same thing shows up on dpkg --configure apt |
| 14:08.24 | dutchfish | bunnyto, you are running lenny (up to date)? |
| 14:08.35 | bunnyto | dutchfish: yes sir |
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| 14:09.56 | dutchfish | bunnyto, i have explanation yet, but i saw simular behavior, but pressing numlock 2 times or 3 times depending on led status solved my problem. I suspect a udev thing or not well configured keyboard type, you could try to reconfigure it. |
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| 14:10.53 | bunnyto | dutchfish: is there any function/application for usability that makes the numeric pad to work as an mouse? if i knew whats that app i could disable it |
| 14:10.53 | dutchfish | bunnyto, is it vs international or vs? |
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| 14:11.41 | dutchfish | bunnyto, its not default behavior, but in gnome or kde there are many apps that can configure dif key binding |
| 14:11.42 | bunnyto | US keyb |
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| 14:14.04 | dutchfish | bunnyto, did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet? |
| 14:14.27 | bunnyto | dutchfish: yet, still same problem ,thats why i think is some application |
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| 14:14.43 | jared | anyone know what produces "IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:90:4b:ae:ab:1a:08:00 SRC=10.0.0.7 DST=10.255.255.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=34793 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=13706:15" |
| 14:14.47 | dutchfish | bunnyto, what desktop? |
| 14:14.51 | bunnyto | gnome |
| 14:15.00 | jared | its junking up my stdout |
| 14:15.01 | abrotman | jared: a few things can do that .. itables is one |
| 14:15.18 | abrotman | iptables |
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| 14:16.04 | jared | cool, im just doing an install and i will set up my tables later |
| 14:16.12 | bunnyto | 'modprobe vboxdrv' how to load a module automatically? |
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| 14:16.56 | jared | im getting an aptitude error: /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-patch-scripts_0.99.36_all.deb |
| 14:17.00 | jared | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 14:17.02 | jared | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:17.10 | dutchfish | bunnyto, mm... maybe check gnome-applets, it contains simular bugs atm for lenny |
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| 14:17.17 | abrotman | jared: what kind of install are you doing? |
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| 14:18.00 | bunnyto | 8787 |
| 14:18.14 | bunnyto | finally, it was enabled the keyboard control the mouse, thanks dutchfish |
| 14:18.43 | satanas | how can i install xgl in debian lenny amd64? |
| 14:18.57 | jared | i want a hardened base to use for vms |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | xgl is not in debian .. and mostly dead |
| 14:19.06 | jared | and to make vms |
| 14:19.22 | abrotman | !xsl |
| 14:19.23 | dpkg | hmm... xsl is Extensible Stylesheet Language, for transforming XML to XML, HTML or formatted output, and has a web page at http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/. or CSS on crack, or has the terseness of XML with the legibility of Brainfuck and the power of Visual Basic. |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 14:19.25 | satanas | abrotman: :( and how can i get 3D effects on my desktop? |
| 14:19.39 | dutchfish | hi, where did the linux-image-2.6.x-x-xen packages went for lenny? Am I supposed to build them from the xen-source, or is this temperarely? |
| 14:19.39 | abrotman | what's your video card? |
| 14:19.39 | satanas | abrotman: nvidia |
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| 14:19.52 | abrotman | nvdidia supports aiglx now |
| 14:20.13 | satanas | abrotman: i did install the nvidia kernel module using module assistant |
| 14:20.17 | bunnyto | 'modprobe vboxdrv' how to load a module automatically? |
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| 14:20.48 | dutchfish | bunnyto, /etc/modules i suppose |
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| 14:21.16 | satanas | abrotman: and how can i configure/run it? |
| 14:21.21 | abrotman | satanas: suposedly it supports aiglx .. i don't touch nvidia stuff |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | !tell satanas about xgl |
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| 14:22.16 | bunnyto | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 14:22.24 | dutchfish | bunnyto, yw |
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| 14:24.43 | satanas | abrotman: ok, but where can i get info about configure/run aiglx? |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | oh whoops |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 14:24.55 | dpkg | well, aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | oh .. grr |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | satanas: what's your video card? |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 14:26.53 | SOG | anyone know the apt-get for Debian Package manager ? |
| 14:27.33 | satanas | abrotman: my video card is nvidia 7200 |
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| 14:29.34 | wols | satanas: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 14:30.06 | satanas | wols: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 14:30.26 | wols | satanas: then install the proper drivers for your card first |
| 14:30.29 | wols | !tell satanas about nvidia |
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| 14:31.04 | wols | you need a newer nvidia driver than what is in etch btw |
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| 14:31.46 | bunnyto | the propietary drivers rulez |
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| 14:32.40 | abrotman | satanas: i have no idea .. |
| 14:32.41 | satanas | wols: ok, i did install the nvidia drivers using module assistant |
| 14:33.09 | satanas | wols: i did # m-a a-i nvidia |
| 14:33.10 | abrotman | satanas: your card is old .. only newer cards/drivers support aiglx .. i don't htink compiz does xgl and beryl is dead |
| 14:34.11 | bunnyto | buy a new one costs 10 dollars |
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| 14:35.26 | wols | abrotman: of course it supports compiz. it's not old, just shit |
| 14:35.32 | wols | satanas: run glxinfo again |
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| 14:36.32 | satanas | wols: http://rafb.net/p/ysSw7p85.html |
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| 14:37.08 | wols | ,satanas you need to restart X for it to take effect... |
| 14:37.27 | wols | and tell me the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 14:37.38 | jared | how can i get rid of the iptables output for now? |
| 14:37.46 | wols | jared: what output? |
| 14:37.57 | jared | wait a sec and ill paste it |
| 14:38.01 | wols | NO |
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| 14:38.32 | satanas | wols: ok, i'm editing my xorg.conf according to the debian wiki to compiz and then i'll restart X server |
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| 14:39.00 | jared | and also : kernel-patch-scripts_0.99.36_all.deb |
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| 14:39.00 | jared | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 14:39.00 | jared | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:39.18 | jared | :( |
| 14:39.23 | wols | satanas: what does dpkg -l |grep nvidia say? |
| 14:39.27 | biopyte | hello, just bought a used cell phone. you can connect that thing with a usb-data-cable to the computer. however, im afraid you need a software for that. anybody experience connecting your cell phone to a linux box for using internet? |
| 14:39.34 | jared | i might go back to gentoo |
| 14:39.45 | jared | it doesnt do stuff i dont tell it too |
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| 14:39.48 | wols | jared: that's not the error. FULL output. and never ever again paste to the channel |
| 14:39.56 | jared | k |
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| 14:40.08 | wols | !tell biopyte about anyone |
| 14:40.16 | jared | i dont have x up or links because of the build error |
| 14:40.24 | satanas | wols: http://rafb.net/p/U7Rmy746.html |
| 14:40.24 | phanter | hi there |
| 14:40.25 | jared | and i dont hav any pastebin program |
| 14:40.32 | wols | jared: no one needs X to paste |
| 14:40.38 | jared | :'( |
| 14:40.46 | satanas | jared: you don't need a program |
| 14:40.56 | satanas | jared: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 14:41.04 | wols | satanas: use nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:41.08 | satanas | jared: http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 14:41.18 | jared | i dont hav x or links |
| 14:41.23 | cmatei | i hear telnet is not such a great browser |
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| 14:41.54 | satanas | jared: aptitude install links2 (as root) |
| 14:41.54 | wols | jared: and we won't support you until you can do what we ask you. and if you continue to paste in here you will be kicked sooner or later. not to mention annoy a lot of people. have a nice day |
| 14:42.10 | phanter | After installing Debian on my laptop (eeepc) it detects the wrong hard disk to start from. I had to manually change all hard disk references from hdcX to hdbX. No problem. the only issue I have is that debian tries to search for an image on my swap file (for suspend restart thingy), this still points to hdcX. Where can I change this reference? |
| 14:42.12 | jared | wat should i use |
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| 14:43.08 | satanas | wols: wow, nvidia-xconfig now it works :S |
| 14:43.37 | satanas | wols: i did run a minutes ago an it doesn't make the config :S |
| 14:43.46 | satanas | wols: restarting X... brb |
| 14:43.54 | biopyte | phanter, what eeepc model do you have? |
| 14:43.55 | wols | cause without nvidia-glx there wasn't anything to config |
| 14:44.07 | jared | how can i stop aptitude deleting stuff i "dont" need |
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| 14:45.12 | phanter | biopyte: 900 |
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| 14:45.47 | lrp | hello everyone |
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| 14:46.40 | lrp | have anyone here installed moxa realtty and configured to connect to him with password ? i have the drivers compiled and installed but i dont see the config line to add the password |
| 14:48.06 | SOG | um... How do I search for packages online? I want to install like Morse packages, but unable to find them |
| 14:48.11 | jared | plz my systems gotten realy stuck and i cant do anyhting |
| 14:48.29 | bunnyto | in Seamlessly mode, how to put the Windows XP bad over all windows ? |
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| 14:49.36 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.45 | lrp | is asking about any knowing about configuring moxa realtty .... |
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| 14:54.27 | biopyte | anybody using the 'gammu' package? is this the right software to talk with your cell phone to the internet? |
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| 14:57.51 | lrp | 123 testing is anyone reading me ?? |
| 14:58.18 | biopyte | lrp we read you |
| 14:58.26 | g00se__ | biopyte: I thought it was more like software for your pc to talk to your mobile |
| 14:58.41 | andeghost | :-) |
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| 14:59.51 | lrp | [biopyte] ok i ll wait if some 1 knows how to configure NAS or whatever the name is in linux to get remote access authentication in my linux server |
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| 15:00.47 | bunnyto | in virtualbox in Seamlessly mode, how to put the Windows XP bad over all windows ? |
| 15:01.02 | biopyte | g00se__, no, the cell phone provider lets the phone connect to the internet, the phone has a usb interface. now, how do i connect my computer to the internet using that phone? i just need an idea if thats possible with linux or is strongly dependent on cell phone manufacturers software. |
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| 15:02.10 | biopyte | the phone is a siemens cf 62, but i dont think this information helps a lot |
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| 15:02.45 | biopyte | just want to know if someone basically did the same thing and how it worked |
| 15:02.56 | biopyte | and the packages used |
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| 15:03.13 | SOG | !tepp |
| 15:03.28 | SOG | wols what's !tepp ? |
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| 15:07.23 | jelly-home | biopyte: afaict, gammu is a pc <-> phone sync tool |
| 15:08.14 | jelly-home | biopyte: does your phone even support connecting to internet via pc/usb? |
| 15:09.07 | biopyte | jelly-home, yes, you can connect via usb. |
| 15:09.28 | biopyte | there is a special cable for that. hardware is not the problem. |
| 15:10.03 | biopyte | with windows you need a special driver or software, i guess. but linux, no idea .. |
| 15:10.07 | jelly-home | keywords being "to internet"... does it eg. work in windows? |
| 15:10.53 | biopyte | jelly-home, it should, but i didnt try personally. |
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| 15:12.05 | biopyte | the question bolis down to: anybody connected his debian-box to the internet with a cell phone? how? |
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| 15:12.29 | biopyte | just to get an idea where to start from |
| 15:12.35 | jelly-home | well, no idea about that model, but for some windows mobile devices, a "rndis-host" external driver is used |
| 15:12.48 | biopyte | hm |
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| 15:13.06 | jelly-home | I'm connected via bluetooth and a Palm Treo right now |
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| 15:14.36 | biopyte | jelly-home, palm is not a cell, i guess. however, did you install particular packages for doing this? |
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| 15:15.00 | jelly-home | this palm is a cell phone |
| 15:15.07 | biopyte | i see |
| 15:15.13 | biopyte | so ...? |
| 15:15.17 | biopyte | ;-) |
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| 15:15.54 | biopyte | you just turn on your palm, boot debian and there you go ...? |
| 15:16.03 | jelly-home | standard kernel, standard bluez-utils and bluetooth packages, a dhcp client and it basically works like a dhcp router |
| 15:16.10 | jelly-home | "ifup bnep0" |
| 15:16.23 | biopyte | sorry, will be disconnected in a few minutes (battery drain) |
| 15:16.42 | biopyte | jelly-home, ok |
| 15:16.49 | abrotman | nooooooooo not the battery! |
| 15:17.01 | biopyte | whats that? |
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| 15:17.14 | jelly-home | plugs in the power |
| 15:17.18 | biopyte | my laptop battery is low |
| 15:17.51 | asg | abrotman: at least it's not the comfy chair |
| 15:18.39 | biopyte | gurus sense of humour not anybody can understand, right? |
| 15:19.24 | SOG | um... Gurus |
| 15:21.43 | Usiu | I am trying to build custom CD with custom kernel however I experience that debian installer is not detecting my disk |
| 15:21.46 | Usiu | any help ? |
| 15:22.05 | pobega | Is there any way to free up all my RAM without rebooting? |
| 15:22.15 | jelly-home | pobega: why? |
| 15:22.15 | asg | pobega: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 15:22.41 | abrotman | !tell Usiu about cdd |
| 15:23.11 | biopyte | pobega, take it out and give it a wash in the dishwasher. |
| 15:23.28 | biopyte | hehehe ... i think that was funny |
| 15:23.40 | pobega | jelly-home: Because I don't have a swap and my RAM is full, and usually when I reach 1G of usage my system slows to a crawl and I need to reboot. |
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| 15:23.53 | DragoraN | hi all |
| 15:23.58 | biopyte | bye, |
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| 15:24.40 | DragoraN | iam installing debian lenny on hyper-v, i read article on google that it is ok, but my lenny cannot detect eth card at install time :( why? can anyone help? |
| 15:25.24 | cmatei | pobega: run top, hit M and see if there's any app using unreasonable amounts of memory. otherwise, it's perfectly normal for your 1G to be "used" |
| 15:25.59 | jelly-home | pobega: kill some applications, buy more memory or enable swap |
| 15:26.12 | Usiu | abrotman: I already did udebs with my kernel |
| 15:26.26 | jelly-home | no way around it, if it's used up it's used up |
| 15:26.29 | Usiu | abrotman: and used latest debian installer to build mini iso |
| 15:26.38 | Usiu | abrotman: monotlith target |
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| 15:27.07 | Usiu | abrotman: when I boot my netinstall in virtualbox I see in dmesg that driver is loaded but I cant find any hda or sda device |
| 15:28.39 | pobega | jelly-home: I guess I'll be buying more memory. I'm on an SSD so swap would be a bad idea. Thanks for the help though. |
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| 15:29.51 | lrp | have anyone here installed moxa realtty and configured to connect to him with password ? i have the drivers compiled and installed but i dont see the config line to add the password |
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| 15:33.01 | cousin_luigi | hi |
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| 15:34.02 | cousin_luigi | has vuurmuur even been considered for inclusion? |
| 15:34.35 | ^shark_ | ok i am now installing libc6-dev and see if things work out |
| 15:34.56 | esaym-acer | ok I think "aptitude install `cat /home/file` did it |
| 15:34.58 | jelly-home | !wnpp |
| 15:34.58 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 15:36.47 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
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| 15:39.28 | SOG | !tepp SOG about pdo |
| 15:39.37 | SOG | odd that does nothing |
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| 15:40.51 | jelly-home | SOG: "tell" |
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| 15:41.02 | jelly-home | !tell SOG -about selftell |
| 15:41.14 | DragoraN | anyone can help with the hyper-v ? |
| 15:41.48 | jelly-home | !+tell SOG -about pdo |
| 15:41.48 | dpkg | told SOG about pdo. |
| 15:41.49 | SOG | Oh |
| 15:42.12 | SOG | !tell SOG about pdo |
| 15:42.14 | SOG | lol |
| 15:42.45 | jelly-home | dpkg already (shold have) told you in a private message |
| 15:42.45 | dpkg | jelly-home: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:42.52 | jelly-home | dpkg: shut up |
| 15:42.52 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 15:44.46 | Darkentity | anyone know why compiz-fusion was taken out of lenny? |
| 15:45.11 | jelly-home | Darkentity: /msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing |
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| 15:51.55 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 15:52.19 | Tetracomm | I just installed Debian Etch last night and the alsa mixer settings program does not work, help? |
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| 15:52.27 | abrotman | did you run alsaconf ? |
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| 15:53.06 | pozic | Does one have to click the icons of photos one by one in Google StreetView? |
| 15:53.22 | abrotman | pozic: this is #debian ... |
| 15:53.24 | Tetracomm | Yes, it says command not found. |
| 15:53.35 | abrotman | !tell Tetracomm about alsa one-liner |
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| 15:54.09 | pozic | abrotman: what's the ask a question about StreetView channel? |
| 15:54.12 | Tetracomm | Why didn't it work right away? |
| 15:55.15 | Tetracomm | abrotman: Alsa-base and alsa-utils are already installed a,d the latest version. |
| 15:55.19 | abrotman | pozic: #google .. certainly not this one |
| 15:56.15 | pozic | abrotman: #google is for other things... anyway, I read the wikipedia page on it, which suggests it's not as advanced as I thought it would be. |
| 15:56.18 | abrotman | Tetracomm: are you root |
| 15:56.23 | abrotman | pozic: it has nothing to do with debian .. |
| 15:56.28 | Tetracomm | Yes. |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | and you can't run alsaconf ? |
| 15:56.48 | bunnyto | in virtualbox in Seamlessly mode, how to put the Windows XP bad over all windows ? |
| 15:56.51 | Tetracomm | No, I can't. |
| 15:56.58 | pozic | abrotman: I am running it under Debian. In ##windows, you can also ask application questions. |
| 15:57.01 | abrotman | Tetracomm: which version of debian is this |
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| 15:57.06 | Tetracomm | Etch. |
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| 15:57.16 | abrotman | pozic: it's not an application in debian |
| 15:57.26 | pozic | abrotman: there is a make-google-earth package. |
| 15:57.35 | themill | pozic: htfswk? |
| 15:57.36 | abrotman | okay .. fine .. keep asking .. |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | you'll just waste your time |
| 15:57.59 | abrotman | Tetracomm: dpkg -l alsa-utils .. which version ? |
| 15:58.00 | pozic | abrotman: You should try to learn how to read. |
| 15:58.09 | abrotman | pozic: you should learn how to go to the correct channel |
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| 15:58.16 | Tetracomm | ii alsa-utils 1.0.13-2 ALSA utilities |
| 15:58.38 | abrotman | Tetracomm: how are you trying to run alsaconf? and what's the error it gives |
| 15:58.42 | themill | Tetracomm: you need to run alsaconf as root |
| 15:58.52 | Tetracomm | I just typed alsaconf |
| 15:59.04 | Tetracomm | Ok, it works with sudo. |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | Tetracomm: was the prompt a # or $ ? |
| 15:59.16 | abrotman | right .. run as root ... |
| 15:59.40 | Tetracomm | ~/ |
| 15:59.40 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 15:59.42 | pozic | themill: many people use Google Earth of which StreetView is a part. Since this channel contains several hundred users, the probability of at least one being able to answer is large. |
| 15:59.46 | HeXiLed | where does debian stores .deb packages? |
| 15:59.54 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:00.10 | Tetracomm | Maybe I didn't install Debian properly? |
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| 16:00.19 | abrotman | Tetracomm: what did alsaconf say? |
| 16:00.21 | Tetracomm | all I selected during the installation was the X Window system. |
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| 16:00.35 | Tetracomm | It is preparing the card now. |
| 16:01.07 | pozic | Tetracomm: ran alsamixer already? |
| 16:01.09 | Tetracomm | It still won't work. |
| 16:01.17 | abrotman | does it give an error? |
| 16:01.20 | Tetracomm | I mean Desktop environment |
| 16:01.29 | Tetracomm | Should I have selected more things during the installation? |
| 16:01.34 | Tetracomm | No. |
| 16:01.41 | Tetracomm | It still shows a blank window. |
| 16:01.58 | pozic | Tetracomm: did you install Gnome/KDE or whatever? |
| 16:02.06 | Tetracomm | Yes. |
| 16:02.18 | Tetracomm | All I selected in the installer was Desktop environment. |
| 16:02.25 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 16:02.43 | pozic | Tetracomm: and your exact problem is that you see a blank screen? |
| 16:02.49 | Tetracomm | Yes. |
| 16:02.56 | Tetracomm | and when I try to close it, it won't close. |
| 16:03.00 | pozic | Tetracomm: then why do I see alsa issues being discussed? |
| 16:03.51 | pozic | Tetracomm: install xdm or gdm or kdm. |
| 16:03.57 | abrotman | he asked about alsa |
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| 16:04.11 | themill | pozic: you were the one that asked about desktop environments. |
| 16:04.26 | pozic | themill: no, I didn't. |
| 16:04.33 | pozic | themill: he said it first. |
| 16:04.58 | Tetracomm | alsa-conf doesn't let me change any settings. |
| 16:05.10 | abrotman | no hyphen |
| 16:05.13 | abrotman | is linux-sound-base installed? |
| 16:05.14 | themill | right. after he said "Maybe I didn't install Debian properly?" in the middle of an alsa question. Please read the context. |
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| 16:05.57 | pozic | themill: I am assuming he simply didn't configure any DE. |
| 16:06.10 | Tetracomm | oops |
| 16:06.11 | Tetracomm | alsaconf |
| 16:06.14 | themill | pozic: and that has what to do with alsa? |
| 16:06.32 | pozic | themill: nothing |
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| 16:06.52 | Tetracomm | linux-sound-base is already installed. |
| 16:07.02 | themill | pozic: right. Many thanks for your input. It made our day. |
| 16:07.04 | pozic | themill: someone who cannot simply say what kind of error he/she is seeing cannot be assumed to know that alsa is the problem. |
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| 16:08.58 | abrotman | Tetracomm: if you run 'groups' as a user .. do you see 'audio' ? |
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| 16:32.53 | barnaba | hello for all |
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| 16:37.17 | barnaba | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 16:37.19 | barnaba | httpd: Syntax error on line 19 of /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so into server: /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so: undefined symbol: svn_repos_get_logs4 |
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| 16:37.42 | barnaba | i have problem with apache 2.2.8 and subversion 1.5.2 |
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| 16:38.20 | barnaba | builded from source |
| 16:38.37 | abrotman | then don't build them from source |
| 16:39.19 | barnaba | abrotman: why not |
| 16:39.38 | abrotman | if you want to compile those things from source .. ask them, not us |
| 16:39.49 | abrotman | debian provides perfectly usable packages for both of those items |
| 16:39.53 | barnaba | abrotman: i want latest stable version |
| 16:40.00 | barnaba | abrotman: ok sorry |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | i'd guess #apache or #svn |
| 16:40.31 | xorl | blah, so, after all my hackory getting debian netinst (unstable) on my usb key to see if it had the latest nic card for my driver, it doesn't. |
| 16:40.34 | xorl | lame. |
| 16:40.47 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 16:40.47 | dpkg | it has been said that driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 16:40.59 | abrotman | that might have helped you out |
| 16:41.16 | xorl | Well, I know it's the alt1e |
| 16:41.25 | xorl | It has the alt1 driver, just not the gigabit version |
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| 16:42.04 | ComradeHaz | Hello chaps, what's the appropriate way to go about reporting a bug that effects a particular package? More specifically, is there any thing I can do to get the following looked at? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipmasq/+bug/117448 |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | it's an ubuntu bug ... |
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| 16:43.20 | xorl | abrotman: that didn't help me at all, lol, didn't even have my network card in it's list |
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| 16:43.34 | abrotman | xorl: right .. guess what that means ... |
| 16:44.02 | esaym | how to get sun-java6-plugin in amd64? |
| 16:44.23 | wols | esaym: you can't since it doesn't exist |
| 16:44.30 | esaym | :( |
| 16:44.31 | wols | you can use nspluginwrapper and the 32bit plugin |
| 16:44.31 | ComradeHaz | [17:42:24] <abrotman> it's an ubuntu bug ... <--- no, it's an ipmasq bug. It exists in Debian too |
| 16:44.53 | abrotman | so you've confirmed it exists in debian ? |
| 16:44.56 | ComradeHaz | as, if you look at the page has been reported |
| 16:44.58 | xorl | funny thing is abrotman the asus eeepc 901 is supported |
| 16:45.06 | ComradeHaz | well, on that page, yes |
| 16:45.09 | xorl | and my driver is the same exact driver (just for my motherboard) |
| 16:45.11 | abrotman | i did look at that page |
| 16:45.17 | xorl | and it works on arch |
| 16:45.29 | ComradeHaz | I've reported it as existing in Debian |
| 16:45.36 | ComradeHaz | I can;t confirm it as I reported it. |
| 16:45.42 | xorl | 19691026 ah ha it is supported |
| 16:45.50 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: did you actually test it on debian ? |
| 16:45.52 | xorl | so why in the hell doesn't it have the netboot module |
| 16:45.53 | xorl | hmm |
| 16:45.54 | ComradeHaz | of course |
| 16:46.19 | xorl | should I try the netinst.iso instead of the mini.iso? |
| 16:46.23 | abrotman | so it's reported .. what else do you want to do? |
| 16:46.24 | ComradeHaz | It was the fat I was suffering the problem that caused me to find the above bug reprt |
| 16:46.50 | ComradeHaz | well, is it reeported in a good place? Are there Debian specific places I could report it? |
| 16:47.01 | abrotman | show us the debian bug .. not the ubuntu bug |
| 16:47.11 | ComradeHaz | what do you meab? |
| 16:47.18 | wols | ComradeHaz: are you running debian? |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | the ubuntu bug is meaningless unless the ubuntu maintainer forwards it to us |
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| 16:47.23 | ComradeHaz | Of course |
| 16:47.25 | MrJK | hello |
| 16:47.34 | xorl | abrotman: you believe the netinst iso should have it on there? |
| 16:47.42 | wols | abrotman: he just experiences this bug and it so happens that ubuntu users found it first |
| 16:47.43 | abrotman | xorl: it's an eeepc box ?> |
| 16:47.52 | MrJK | I ve just installed a debian distrib, and I've some probleems |
| 16:47.54 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: so show us the debian bug |
| 16:48.00 | wols | and when he gogoled he found the ubuntu bug entry |
| 16:48.04 | xorl | no no, Asus P5Q motherboard with the same network as an EEEPC |
| 16:48.09 | MrJK | 1) My mouse (usb) don't work well, it's saccaded |
| 16:48.20 | xorl | that is is, nothing else is shard, kind of janky if you ask me |
| 16:48.20 | abrotman | xorl: /msg dpkg eeepc .. maybe hte wiki would have hints? |
| 16:48.27 | ComradeHaz | quite, wols. So now I'm asking how I officially file it as a Debian bug too |
| 16:48.33 | MrJK | 2) Debian don't recognize my ethernet card |
| 16:48.37 | abrotman | !tell ComradeHaz about reportbug |
| 16:48.40 | abrotman | !tell ComradeHaz about bts |
| 16:48.40 | MrJK | Somebody can help me? |
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| 16:48.55 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: but no one will care if you report a bug on an ubuntu package ot the Debian bts |
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| 16:49.16 | MrJK | ??? |
| 16:49.43 | ComradeHaz | abrotman: I won;t be |
| 16:50.05 | ComradeHaz | I'm using Debian. The package comes from a Debian repo. It is a Debian bug. |
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| 16:50.24 | ComradeHaz | It just happens it also exists in Ubuntu |
| 16:50.28 | abrotman | right .. |
| 16:50.39 | ComradeHaz | Am I wrong? |
| 16:51.06 | xorl | sweet /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko it's there |
| 16:51.17 | ComradeHaz | as I said, it's probably more a problem with ipmasq itself |
| 16:51.30 | xorl | but I guess it's not included in the mini.iso |
| 16:51.31 | xorl | hmm |
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| 16:52.24 | Deiz | I lost connection to my server; IPTraf is still running and I'd like to keep the stats. |
| 16:52.39 | Deiz | Is it possible to recover the session? (It wasn't running in Screen.) |
| 16:53.34 | halflife08 | i am looking for suggestions/tricks of trade on the best way to implement a writeable snapshots for oracle database instances. i need build 4-5 writeable snapshots of several database instances each instance about 500G odd. i am implementing it over fibre san storage |
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| 16:53.52 | halflife08 | using lvm2 |
| 16:54.39 | sandman | Why is there an openvas client, but no server in the repos? |
| 16:54.43 | sandman | Some licensing problem, perhaps? |
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| 16:54.49 | MrJK | Nobody can help me ? |
| 16:55.33 | Tetracomm | MrJK: I just sintalled Debian and am having problems too. |
| 16:55.36 | Tetracomm | I don't know why. |
| 16:55.50 | Tetracomm | Maybe we didn't install everything that we were supposed to. |
| 16:56.08 | MrJK | Tetracomm: yeah, it's complicated |
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| 16:56.27 | ComradeHaz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496036 <--- I don;t really understand what this bug report means. Can anyone have a quick look and tell me in basic terms what it's about. I feel it's possible what I am experiencing could be the same or related and I don;t want to post a new bug if it's covered by that... |
| 16:56.27 | MrJK | 2 most important things unavaible: mouse and inteernet |
| 16:56.47 | ComradeHaz | lol MrJK |
| 16:56.54 | ComradeHaz | trouble is |
| 16:57.04 | ComradeHaz | you kind of need the internet to get the packages |
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| 16:57.26 | AndrewBC | Aha! I've found you! |
| 16:57.34 | ComradeHaz | surprised the network card doesn't just Work (tm) |
| 16:58.14 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 16:58.16 | AndrewBC | ... unless you're hiding behind an altered nickname, Mr. tyler. |
| 16:58.21 | lem0n | hi :D |
| 16:58.22 | ComradeHaz | I need to dissappear for a while |
| 16:58.23 | ComradeHaz | bbs |
| 16:58.28 | AndrewBC | Aha! I've found you! |
| 16:58.32 | AndrewBC | shakes lem0n |
| 16:58.35 | lem0n | :P |
| 16:58.39 | spanther | lol |
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| 16:59.57 | coniii | hi |
| 17:00.05 | coniii | anyone around? |
| 17:01.24 | coniii | whats the command |
| 17:01.28 | coniii | to find what users r added |
| 17:01.29 | coniii | on box |
| 17:01.31 | coniii | if im root |
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| 17:02.26 | Doug52392 | Hello |
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| 17:03.10 | Doug52392 | How would I block a specific host from connecting to my server? I keep getting the same computer trying to send spam e-mail through my mail server |
| 17:03.27 | HeXiLed | can we use dpkg-buildpackage for a specific package to use SSL in the build ? |
| 17:03.50 | avu | coniii, you mean just list all user accounts or the only the ones for actual human users? |
| 17:04.06 | avu | Doug52392, use iptables |
| 17:04.12 | petemc | Doug52392: you could tell your mta to reject it, or you could use something like "ip route add prohibit ipaddr" |
| 17:05.48 | coniii | avu i mean all users that are added in my box |
| 17:06.05 | avu | coniii, well, I still don't know what you mean by that.. |
| 17:06.14 | coniii | avu tell me for both |
| 17:06.17 | coniii | and ill figure what i wanted |
| 17:06.28 | avu | coniii, if you just want to see all users, have a look at the first field in your /etc/passwd.. |
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| 17:06.50 | coniii | so what will i have to type |
| 17:06.55 | coniii | /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:07.02 | avu | that's a textfile |
| 17:07.10 | avu | cat it or open it in an editor.. |
| 17:07.11 | coniii | im newbie |
| 17:07.17 | coniii | teach me how can i |
| 17:07.21 | avu | !tell coniii about grounding |
| 17:07.30 | DragoraN | man vim |
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| 17:08.00 | coniii | cat /etc/passwd |
| 17:08.01 | coniii | will do it? |
| 17:08.10 | avu | just try. |
| 17:08.16 | avu | and read what the bot just wrote you |
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| 17:08.26 | coniii | i dont want to mess my box up lol |
| 17:08.28 | DragoraN | now is a good time to rmrf :) |
| 17:08.30 | coniii | will cat /etc/passwd do? |
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| 17:08.46 | avu | coniii, read 'man cat' |
| 17:08.58 | avu | coniii, and, again, read what the bot just told you. |
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| 17:09.17 | avu | !tell coniii about fundamentals |
| 17:09.31 | DragoraN | !tell dragoran about fundamentals |
| 17:09.43 | avu | !tell DragoraN about self tell |
| 17:10.18 | DragoraN | :0 |
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| 17:10.58 | DragoraN | !tell abu about dont tell anyone about self tell |
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| 17:12.17 | tralala | I need to have two versions of /etc/network/interfaces switching on every boot. I tried to do it with rc.local and symlinks, but it's not getting switched. Maybe there's another way to achieve that? |
| 17:12.52 | avu | rc.local is executed too late I think |
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| 17:13.36 | avu | you could modify /etc/init.d/networking directly |
| 17:14.27 | cr3rzemjest | why is that i always feel like my computer is going to explode anytime due to my lack of knowledge in linux? e.g. i'm installing something with wine, and my cdrom is spinning like crazy |
| 17:15.28 | tralala | avu, it's executed last, but it should take effect for the next reboot. However it doesn't |
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| 17:15.51 | AndrewBC | How do I go about listing a debian server's existing users? |
| 17:16.23 | avu | AndrewBC, do you mean any user or just 'human' users? |
| 17:16.39 | AndrewBC | any |
| 17:16.50 | avu | AndrewBC, /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:17.02 | peterrooney | AndrewBC: awk -F: ' $3 >=1000 ' /etc/passwd |
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| 17:17.02 | idimmu | getent passwd |
| 17:17.06 | AndrewBC | Thanks |
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| 17:17.06 | idimmu | maybe |
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| 17:17.26 | AndrewBC | peterrooney gets a golden star for the extra effort |
| 17:17.28 | the_sniff | whats the ps format modifier for memory usage? not precent (!pmem) |
| 17:17.29 | avu | peterrooney, that would also list nobody :) |
| 17:17.38 | DragoraN | lives apropos |
| 17:17.43 | DragoraN | loves apropos |
| 17:17.50 | peterrooney | AndrewBC: awk -F: ' $3 >=1000 && $3 < 65536 ' /etc/passwd |
| 17:18.12 | peterrooney | can i get a silver star for knowing 2^16-1 off the top? |
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| 17:18.28 | avu | add a { print $1 } and I'll consider it ;) |
| 17:18.32 | tralala | peterrooney, no, because you're wrong on two accounts |
| 17:18.45 | avu | also, that's not what he asked for |
| 17:18.59 | avu | oh, and the number is wrong :) |
| 17:19.39 | tralala | 65536 is _not_ 2^16-1, and using the _real_ 2^16-1 won't eliminate nobody, which is 2^16-2 |
| 17:19.42 | peterrooney | avu, i sit corrected! it's 65534, why is that? |
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| 17:26.51 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to resize an encrypted partition? |
| 17:27.21 | DragoraN | :)) |
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| 17:27.50 | DragoraN | tried google? |
| 17:28.03 | plundra | PiousMinion: It's not very hard... 'man cryptsetup' |
| 17:28.30 | asg | PiousMinion: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/536 |
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| 17:29.04 | PiousMinion | plundra: There is a lot more to it than just cryptsetup if you don't want to lose data. :P |
| 17:29.09 | PiousMinion | asg: thanks |
| 17:30.11 | plundra | PiousMinion: Not really? I havn't lost any data, and I've grown a md/crypt/xfs setup a few times, online and without any problem. |
| 17:31.18 | HBD | Guys, I've set up mod-mono on my Debian 4.0. When I make a URL request, I see that it fails with a 503, because apache tries to start mod-mono-server. Whereas really it should try and start mod-mono-server2 because the package is installed and also I want to run .net 2.0. Where are the apache settings for starting up the right program? |
| 17:31.32 | HBD | Just checking in case someone has run asp.net apps off of Etch |
| 17:31.33 | PiousMinion | plundra: using only the cryptsetup command? not resize2fs, lvreduce, or pvresize? I'd really like to know how you managed that. |
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| 17:33.04 | plundra | PiousMinion: mdadm, cryptsetup, xfs_growfs, in that order? |
| 17:33.37 | PiousMinion | plundra: ahh well, I'm shrinking. Growing is a tad easier. :) |
| 17:33.39 | plundra | PiousMinion: Your question was about the encrypted part, wasn't it? |
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| 17:34.03 | plundra | Bah, shrinking is for, well, I don't know :-P |
| 17:34.22 | PiousMinion | :P |
| 17:35.55 | Tetracomm | How do I install lame in Debian? |
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| 17:36.25 | wols | !tell Tetracomm about dmm |
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| 17:40.13 | EmleyMoor | I've got Samba running but a machine which should be able to access it is not doing so - it says the path does not exist - I can see no sign of it trying on my box - how can I trace what is wrong? |
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| 17:48.24 | Tetracomm | Exactly which lame package do I need to encode mp3s in Audacity? Just lame? |
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| 17:50.57 | xorl | bah so anoying |
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| 17:51.18 | xorl | so the testing ISO doesn't match the testing hd-media on the mirrors |
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| 17:51.38 | Joe7 | hi |
| 17:52.01 | vsayikiran | how send mail using exim4 package without root priveleges |
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| 17:52.17 | nxmehta | can someone explain to me what setting LC_ALL=C does? i needed to set this var to fix mangled characters when using man, but i'm trying to figure what what else it will affect |
| 17:52.24 | asg | vsayikiran: install an MTA such as mutt or mailx |
| 17:52.36 | asg | s/MTA/MUA/ |
| 17:52.53 | Joe7 | All the drives on one of my controller is 'killed' due to "kernel: ata2: port is slow to respond, please be patient" and then kernel doing Soft REset and then Hard reset on the controller. It happens during building up the raid array on 2 drives on that controller. Any idea why? Had no problems until replacing 1 of the drives yesterday |
| 17:53.00 | vsayikiran | asg: is not possible with exim4 |
| 17:53.34 | Deiz | Any smaller alternatives to iptraf? |
| 17:53.37 | vsayikiran | asg: basically i need to send bug report using reportbug tool , it uses exim4 by default |
| 17:53.39 | Deiz | It's kind of huge at 80x24 |
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| 17:53.46 | asg | vsayikiran: add the user to the trusted users option or just have them communicate directly on port 25 with SMTP or 587 with LMTP |
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| 17:54.10 | vsayikiran | asg: where is the trusted user option |
| 17:54.20 | PiousMinion | Ok, so I figured out how resize my fs and the lvm stuff that contains it. Now cryptsetup is asking for the new size in sectors. Anyone know how I can determine what number of sectors to use? |
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| 17:56.04 | asg | vsayikiran: you are making it harder for yourself. Just install mutt or mailx (tiny little cli programs). If you want to go the trusted user route, then install the exim4-doc-{html,info} package and do some reading |
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| 17:58.41 | vsayikiran | asg: what should i do if reportbug tool by default uses exim4 package |
| 17:58.55 | EmleyMoor | I'm running samba on my new system just as I ran it on my old one, but the Windows box next to me is telling me that the paths don't exist. On the Debian box, I see no evidence of it trying. What do I need to do to investigate? |
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| 18:00.41 | zinx | EmleyMoor: does the windows box see the samba server at all? |
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| 18:01.05 | EmleyMoor | Yes, for other things (mail, for example) |
| 18:01.12 | scoobydontdo | ok, so, i think i might install debian but dont know if i want 64bit? |
| 18:01.24 | zinx | EmleyMoor: if you type \\IP_OF_SAMBA_SERVER\, what does it show? |
| 18:01.40 | zinx | EmleyMoor: as the location in an explorer.exe window (the file browser) |
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| 18:02.03 | zinx | scoobydontdo: what processor? |
| 18:02.07 | EmleyMoor | Shows two of the paths |
| 18:02.08 | Eulex | scoobydontdo, desktop or server? |
| 18:02.16 | scoobydontdo | dual core opteron, |
| 18:02.36 | scoobydontdo | just dont know what goes along with install of 64 bit...like i read something about chrooting? for 32bit apps to run |
| 18:02.40 | EmleyMoor | (however, cannot be found when mapping) |
| 18:02.46 | asg | vsayikiran: okay, let's step back a bit. What is reportbug doing (or not doing)? |
| 18:02.59 | Eulex | scoobydontdo, yes, you need a 32-bit chroot to run 32bit apps |
| 18:03.00 | zinx | scoobydontdo: you don't need to chroot for apps where Debian has the 32-bit libraries |
| 18:03.18 | zinx | scoobydontdo: it does not have all the libraries available for 32-bit apps in a 64-bit system yet, though |
| 18:03.25 | scoobydontdo | so just instal 32bit libraries? |
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| 18:03.31 | scoobydontdo | hmm like what will i be missing out on? |
| 18:03.35 | scoobydontdo | flash? |
| 18:03.38 | zinx | scoobydontdo: there's an "ia32-libs" and various others that go with it, yes |
| 18:03.42 | zinx | scoobydontdo: flash works fine |
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| 18:03.48 | zinx | scoobydontdo: w/ a 64-bit browser |
| 18:03.57 | zinx | scoobydontdo: just install the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package |
| 18:04.09 | vosdj | i just installed amd64 etch using the installer. I set up LVM + dmcrypt. First problem I had was that grub was not booting from MBR, so I popped in super grub to load it. Next problem is when I load the initrd, it says error:28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. Any ideas? |
| 18:04.11 | Eulex | well, yeah, but those 32-bit libraries available for amd64 are quite few, and will not run anything more than the most simple apps |
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| 18:04.17 | vsayikiran | asg: when i was trying to send a message it crashed |
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| 18:04.52 | scoobydontdo | ok, i use firefox3 ...does debian have it? or can i get it, i remember hearing something about iceweasel? |
| 18:05.01 | xorl | does etch boot off of the 2.6.26-1 kernel? |
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| 18:05.07 | xorl | or does lenny only |
| 18:05.07 | zinx | scoobydontdo: debian has iceweasel 3 in lenny/sid, but not in etch |
| 18:05.10 | vosdj | scoobydontdo iceweasel is firefox rebranded |
| 18:05.18 | scoobydontdo | ok, so its the exact same thing? |
| 18:05.18 | asg | vsayikiran: reportbug crashed? |
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| 18:05.33 | scoobydontdo | zinx would you recommend running lenny? |
| 18:05.34 | vosdj | scoobydontdo: perty much yeah |
| 18:05.36 | zinx | scoobydontdo: you can, however, download firefox from mozilla and use that if you choose |
| 18:05.49 | vsayikiran | asg: i mean i wrote the message, then i wrote it to some /tmp/somefile. then reportbug asked me send message via mail. i entered y and the whole xterminal dissappeared |
| 18:05.57 | zinx | scoobydontdo: depends on your needs and how well you can deal with broken packages :P |
| 18:06.18 | Joe7 | Could anyone help me please with the question above? Have $50 to have it fixed, urgent :/ |
| 18:06.22 | scoobydontdo | hmm, i just want to make sure im up to date and also have a stable system |
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| 18:06.49 | vsayikiran | asg: i have sent another bug report. i am waiting to recevie a mail |
| 18:07.18 | EmleyMoor | Ah, it can be connected by IP |
| 18:07.25 | asg | vsayikiran: how long have you been waiting? It takes a bit before the BTS responds to reports |
| 18:07.31 | EmleyMoor | Still, there's one missing, and it ought to work by name |
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| 18:07.56 | vosdj | ok supergrub fixed my problem |
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| 18:08.07 | asg | vsayikiran: also, against which package did you file the report? |
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| 18:09.07 | vsayikiran | asg: against rhythmbox |
| 18:09.15 | scoobydontdo | i use obenbox with kdebase apps....what version kde in debian now? |
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| 18:10.50 | wols | scoobydontdo: 3.5 |
| 18:10.52 | vsayikiran | asg: i did not receive any mail from bug report team till now. i dont know whether reportbug tool really sent the bug |
| 18:11.15 | PiousMinion | How do I determine how many sectors to specify for "cryptsetup resize" for 39g? I can't find any information on this? |
| 18:11.30 | wols | PiousMinion: a kilobyte has 2 sectors |
| 18:11.30 | scoobydontdo | wols thanks |
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| 18:12.27 | EmleyMoor | It can't list servers in the workgroup either - why would that not work? |
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| 18:13.10 | scoobydontdo | going to install etch64 :) bbl after install |
| 18:13.19 | vsayikiran | how to send mail using exim4 |
| 18:14.02 | vsayikiran | i tried to send mail to my email-id using exim4. i did not receive till now |
| 18:14.25 | vsayikiran | does some one know how to send message using exim4 |
| 18:14.25 | vosdj | Anybody good with dmcrypt? Fresh install of amd64 with lvm crypt and i made the mistake of setting all my lvm partitions with passphrases. Is it easy enough to keep /root as a passphrase and change /home and /swap to use keyfiles automatically stored on /root? |
| 18:14.40 | asg | vsayikiran: but you just said you received it? |
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| 18:14.59 | vosdj | it is cumbersome to type 3 passphrases at boot :) :/ :( |
| 18:15.30 | vsayikiran | asg: i did not receive anything. i just sent a bug report and using exim4 package i sent mail to my email-id |
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| 18:16.08 | asg | vsayikiran: okay, paste /var/log/exim4/mainlog in a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 18:16.20 | vsayikiran | asg: ok |
| 18:17.09 | asg | vsayikiran: also, pastebin the output of 'exim -bt foo@bugs.debian.org' |
| 18:17.39 | iceman` | i just installed debian etch without configuring the network. After the install i went in and used network manager to configure the internet with dhcp settings. Unfortunately it doesnt work, i can do ifdown and ifup and i can see messages saying that dhcp requests are being sent but the modem doesnt respond and it doesnt show sent or recived data |
| 18:17.48 | vsayikiran | asg: now what is foo@bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:18.48 | asg | vsayikiran: just a test to see if your exim config can actually route mail to a non-local site |
| 18:20.29 | vsayikiran | asg: should i execute exactly whatever u said ^ |
| 18:20.44 | asg | vsayikiran: yes, exim -bt foo@bugs.debian.org (with your current user) |
| 18:20.55 | asg | vsayikiran: maybe exim4 instead of exim |
| 18:21.27 | asg | vsayikiran: if that doesn't work, try /usr/sbin/exim4 -bt ... |
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| 18:21.43 | vsayikiran | asg: you mean my normal user account (uid=1000) |
| 18:22.08 | asg | vsayikiran: if you use that, supply the full path '/usr/sbin/exim4' |
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| 18:22.32 | vsayikiran | asg: ok |
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| 18:23.16 | xorl | wow, i've been trying at this for a dogs age, does the installer CD not have atl1e? |
| 18:24.10 | xorl | the driver module that is it has atl1 but not atl1e |
| 18:25.14 | vsayikiran | asg: this is content of exim4 log file http://paste.debian.net/19021/ |
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| 18:26.36 | vsayikiran | asg: i think looking at the log file i think sending to remote user is not possible |
| 18:26.49 | asg | vsayikiran: ah, you need to configure exim to allow non-local delivery. By default, it only handles local mail. Use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' as root |
| 18:27.19 | vsayikiran | asg:ok |
| 18:28.04 | xorl | hah eeepc hacks for my motherboard, weird. |
| 18:28.28 | vsayikiran | asg: should i select the first option " internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP " |
| 18:28.29 | asg | vsayikiran: unless you have a smarthost (i.e., a mail server at your ISP to route mail on your behalf), you'll have to choose the 'Internet Site' option. |
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| 18:29.04 | vsayikiran | asg: i don not have any idea about our ISP whether they have any mailserver or not :-( |
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| 18:29.53 | vsayikiran | asg: ok anyway i will choose the internet option |
| 18:29.57 | asg | vsayikiran: then choose the first option and exim will just send mail directly. Beware though, your ISP may no allow outbound port 25 connections so you may just need to submit the bug report via the bugs.debian.org website |
| 18:30.27 | vsayikiran | asg: can i send them mail from my gmail user account |
| 18:30.38 | iceman` | i just installed debian etch without configuring the network. After the install i went in and used network manager to configure the internet with dhcp settings. Unfortunately it doesnt work, i can do ifdown and ifup and i can see messages saying that dhcp requests are being sent but the modem doesnt respond and it doesnt show sent or recived data |
| 18:31.16 | vsayikiran | asg: i have saved the file reportbug has created , i will paste the content and send mail using my gmail account |
| 18:31.20 | asg | vsayikiran: sure, just use reportbug to save the report into a text file and copy that to the body of the message you send |
| 18:31.30 | asg | vsayikiran: just send the message to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:32.21 | vsayikiran | asg: ok first i will try configuring exim4 if it works ok, otherwise i will send by gmail |
| 18:32.28 | asg | sounds good |
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| 18:33.29 | xorl | who wouldve thought the asus eeepc dev guys would save my desktops debian life lol |
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| 18:34.18 | vsayikiran | asg: what should i enter in system mail name |
| 18:34.35 | iceman` | ... |
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| 18:34.41 | adb_ | iceman`: I'll reinstall with configuring the network ;) |
| 18:35.11 | adb_ | !eeepc |
| 18:35.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. |
| 18:35.32 | adb_ | xorl: ^^^ |
| 18:36.04 | xorl | adb_: oh i know |
| 18:36.13 | xorl | i'm using there image to install debian on my desktop off of usb key haha |
| 18:36.19 | abchirk | Can I look how much resources eats my phpfile? |
| 18:36.25 | abchirk | when I executing it |
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| 18:36.35 | xorl | except for now |
| 18:36.42 | xorl | I am getting "Invalid release signature" |
| 18:37.25 | vsayikiran | asg: what should enter in system mail name |
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| 18:37.38 | raekism_ | If I want to install Kernel headers is this the right command -- aptitude install kernel-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64? |
| 18:37.48 | raekism_ | says it cannot find it |
| 18:37.49 | xorl | mmm "Bad signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key" |
| 18:37.50 | xorl | sweet |
| 18:38.18 | xorl | ok used unstabled worked like a charm |
| 18:38.19 | xorl | lol |
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| 18:38.28 | xorl | unstable even, fricken laggy laptop |
| 18:38.38 | adb_ | unstable ? |
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| 18:38.50 | xorl | Yeah, I always use unstable. |
| 18:39.02 | xorl | My system is 'slightly' supported and I am used to the bugs. |
| 18:39.08 | adb_ | to install ? |
| 18:39.14 | xorl | Yep. |
| 18:39.32 | xorl | My machine is BARELY supported by 2.6.27 |
| 18:39.40 | xorl | kernel wise. |
| 18:39.54 | adb_ | there in any unstable ... as debian install |
| 18:39.58 | xorl | So I have to use the latest binaries/software releases which are usually in unstable |
| 18:40.36 | simonrvn | !install sid |
| 18:40.37 | dpkg | There are no CD images available with which you can install sid. Often, sid is not actually installable at all as sid is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then upgrade to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>. |
| 18:40.54 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 18:40.55 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 18:43.18 | raekism_ | Can someone please tell me the command to install Kernel Headers for Lenny Debian? |
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| 18:44.42 | petemc | aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:45.51 | raekism_ | thank you |
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| 18:56.22 | firespeaker | anyone know how to use apt to compile a given library for 32bit architecture and have it stcuk in lib32 on a 64bit setup? |
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| 18:56.57 | firespeaker | (that is, somehow convince apt-get source to do it) |
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| 18:59.46 | bunnyto | in what package is located the command: locate |
| 19:00.02 | simonrvn | !tell bunnyto -about search |
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| 19:01.04 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: dpkg --search locate |
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| 19:01.46 | bunnyto | how to remove one package? |
| 19:02.32 | adb_ | !grounding |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 19:03.07 | adb_ | bunnyto: ^^^ |
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| 19:03.27 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: please read man aptitude |
| 19:03.52 | bunnyto | where is that man? whats his name? |
| 19:04.20 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: man is command for manual page |
| 19:04.39 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: open your terminal and type man aptitude |
| 19:04.51 | bunnyto | bash: man: command not found |
| 19:05.04 | wols | bunnyto: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 19:05.21 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: btw which distro are you using |
| 19:06.05 | bunnyto | debian |
| 19:06.22 | dudeman | hm |
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| 19:06.29 | wols | bunnyto: run the command I gave you |
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| 19:06.55 | bunnyto | bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 19:07.09 | wols | bunnyto: cool. then you don't run debian. ask in ##linux. bye |
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| 19:07.49 | bunnyto | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-5) (waldi@debian.org) |
| 19:08.09 | wols | bunnyto: open a NEW terminal. type "echo $PATH" |
| 19:08.41 | vsayikiran | bunnty: i asked which distro are you using not version of linux kernel |
| 19:08.59 | wols | vsayikiran: he runs lenny or sid |
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| 19:09.38 | vsayikiran | wols: ok, then why he does not have manpages installed in his compute |
| 19:10.06 | wols | vsayikiran: he does |
| 19:10.43 | vsayikiran | wols: man: command not found ^^ this is what he told me |
| 19:11.04 | wols | yes |
| 19:11.35 | bunnyto | /usr/test |
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| 19:11.59 | vsayikiran | bunnyto: please run commands in terminal not in IRC |
| 19:12.23 | wols | bunnyto: what did you do to your bash startup fules? |
| 19:12.25 | wols | *files |
| 19:12.39 | wols | vsayikiran: please stop if you don't have a clue |
| 19:13.08 | vsayikiran | wols: i am trying to help him |
| 19:13.34 | wols | vsayikiran: and you're doing a really clueless job. do you know what his problem is? why he can't find man or dpkg? |
| 19:14.13 | bunnyto | i guess i need to reinstall.. |
| 19:14.19 | superfirelord42 | wols, did we determine his PATH was messed up? or do we not know yet. |
| 19:14.23 | wols | bunnyto: no, you need to fix it |
| 19:14.39 | wols | superfirelord42: look at the backlog and it's very clear |
| 19:14.40 | bunnyto | i removed VLC but it also included 800 packages... something happened... |
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| 19:15.21 | superfirelord42 | wols, ah, sorry, didnt realize /usr/test was his entire path... |
| 19:15.31 | wols | you can't remove dpkg unless you are VERY persistent |
| 19:15.46 | wols | and even if it removed packages, it wouldn't rewrite your path |
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| 19:16.17 | bunnyto | i shouldnt let that philipinian guy to connect my computer... |
| 19:16.40 | vsayikiran | wols: even if he has messed with the $PATH environ variable, he can cd to /usr/bin/ directory and run aptitude from tty1 |
| 19:16.41 | wols | bunnyto: ok, if you've been compromised. reformat. NOW |
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| 19:17.29 | bunnyto | oki.. brb... |
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| 19:18.24 | ding | I just installed the latest kernel (2.6.27) with make-kpkg and using the same configuration I had for 2.6.26 and networking doesn't work anymore. No more eth0! Anyone know what the problem might be? |
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| 19:18.59 | bunnyto | before reformat.. forgot... |
| 19:19.04 | superfirelord42 | wols, i hope he backs up some of his data first, otherwise he is in for a nasty suprise |
| 19:19.14 | bunnyto | this new CD rom is not being detected by the NETiso installer |
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| 19:19.34 | wols | superfirelord42: unless he has already backed it up it'S worthless data |
| 19:19.35 | bunnyto | ive tried with Etchnhalf, not detected |
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| 19:21.13 | bunnyto | ding dong.... |
| 19:21.40 | superfirelord42 | the witch is dead? |
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| 19:23.21 | HeXiLed | can we use dpkg-buildpackage for a specific package to use SSL in the build ? |
| 19:23.26 | HeXiLed | sorry |
| 19:23.32 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.51 | enouf | So, is everyone aware of the (issues, bugs) + workaround for newer Hitachi HDDs? http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/jafo_20081008_181615 |
| 19:23.56 | HeXiLed | i was scrolling up |
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| 19:24.58 | enouf | sheesh, it reminds me of all the weenies with XPoop screaming for 48bitLBA support from SP1 .. |
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| 19:28.06 | demism | Hi guys, I have a printer connected to my windows box and I would like to print to it from my linux box. I'd like to know how I would go about doing this. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. |
| 19:28.25 | superfirelord42 | demism, do you have it set up as shared on your windows box? |
| 19:28.32 | demism | not yet |
| 19:28.50 | superfirelord42 | demism, that will help a bit... |
| 19:29.38 | bunnyto | my DVD drive is not being recognized by the Etchand half ISO installer, what is the solution? |
| 19:29.53 | demism | done |
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| 19:30.46 | enouf | bunnyto: try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt |
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| 19:31.24 | bunnyto | one minute |
| 19:32.02 | enouf | wols: have you heard back from firebirdXXX yet? |
| 19:32.22 | wols | no |
| 19:32.28 | enouf | ok |
| 19:32.34 | fcanas | I just installed a different graphics card, and during the X startup, it says no screen found...help? |
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| 19:32.57 | bunnyto | reconfigure xorg |
| 19:33.04 | enouf | fcanas: what did you have, what do you have? which version of debian? |
| 19:33.17 | fcanas | i'm running etch, went from ati to nvidia |
| 19:33.22 | enouf | fcanas: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 19:33.23 | fcanas | how can I reconfigure xorg? |
| 19:33.31 | enouf | !drxx |
| 19:33.32 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 19:34.06 | fcanas | (lspci: nvidia nv11 geforce2 mx/mx 400) |
| 19:34.12 | fcanas | i'll try that thanks |
| 19:34.13 | enouf | fcanas: the Xorg nvidia driver is "nv" |
| 19:34.14 | demism | superfirelord42: ok so I've shared my printer on the windows machine, now what? |
| 19:34.38 | enouf | fcanas: no, that's not the command i asked for you to run |
| 19:34.55 | enouf | fcanas: btw, i have that card installed here |
| 19:34.56 | fcanas | oh right the flags..hold on |
| 19:34.57 | demism | superfirelord42: got it :) |
| 19:35.04 | superfirelord42 | demism, you got it working? |
| 19:35.22 | demism | well gotta see if I can print now, but I found the printer :) |
| 19:35.44 | enouf | ~$ lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 19:35.45 | enouf | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2) |
| 19:35.50 | fcanas | yes exactly that |
| 19:35.51 | enouf | see how easy that is? |
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| 19:36.57 | enouf | feels like a doctor whom asks a badgering patient if they are sure they know the dose to give after the patient claims he knows a lot about the medicine |
| 19:37.21 | demism | superfirelord42: yup got it working thanks :) |
| 19:37.41 | superfirelord42 | demism, no prob, you did it all yourself... all i did is said turn on sharing in windows... |
| 19:37.56 | demism | hahah, yeah but sometimes a push is all one needs :) |
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| 19:38.26 | demism | now I have another question, from a console how can I print a man page? |
| 19:38.48 | enouf | man lp ? |
| 19:39.19 | enouf | erm, man lp lpc lpd lpf lpq lpr lprm lptest |
| 19:39.48 | superfirelord42 | i always thought it was lpr |
| 19:40.14 | wols | me too |
| 19:40.29 | enouf | hrm, /me wonders if PrntScrn works like in that Harrison ford movie - Patriot Games .. haha |
| 19:41.35 | enouf | misses the simplicity of 80s and 90s computers - atleast they were stupid enough to listen and behave |
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| 19:43.36 | fcanas | ok just reconfigured xorg |
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| 19:44.06 | fcanas | tried to do `xinit xterm |
| 19:44.20 | enouf | ... |
| 19:44.32 | fcanas | and it tells me that its unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 19:45.04 | fcanas | says (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 19:45.24 | enouf | fcanas: did you say no to kernel framebuffer question? |
| 19:45.40 | fcanas | no |
| 19:45.49 | enouf | fcanas: redo it, say no |
| 19:45.49 | fcanas | again with yes to no then? |
| 19:45.54 | fcanas | will do thx |
| 19:46.23 | JPT | mhh... i'm just placing this question here because i also asked in #debian-kde, #hal and even #kernel. My KDE Device Icons on the Desktop are not showing since i am using a vanilla kernel with own config. Is there a special patch applied to the debian kernel that "enables" the device icons (or some hal features that do) ? |
| 19:46.52 | enouf | JPT: k control center handles all that |
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| 19:47.30 | JPT | i think you want to tell me that i just did not turn on the device icons ? |
| 19:47.42 | fcanas | we have liftoff :D |
| 19:47.48 | enouf | they don't even make it that simple |
| 19:48.02 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 19:48.19 | enouf | fcanas: houston - we don't have any more problems? |
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| 19:48.22 | demism | for future reference: "man -t <command> | lpr" prints very nicely. |
| 19:48.34 | fcanas | i'll see if I can get gdm up and running (shouldn't be a problem) |
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| 19:49.28 | Minoru | good bye |
| 19:49.50 | enouf | demism: erm - "man -t <manpage> | lpr" ? |
| 19:50.07 | demism | yup |
| 19:50.23 | demism | man -t <manpage> prints out garbage by itself |
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| 19:50.52 | demism | cause it formats it. |
| 19:50.56 | enouf | demism: just clarifying a <command> vs a <target> or whatever |
| 19:51.11 | enouf | man is the command in that examplw |
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| 19:52.10 | fcanas | ok |
| 19:52.12 | fcanas | yes it worked |
| 19:52.14 | fcanas | thanks everyone |
| 19:52.28 | fcanas | thanks enouf |
| 19:52.30 | demism | enouf: try man man read -t option, I just printed sprintf and it looks amazing. Did: man -t sprintf | lpr |
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| 19:53.29 | demism | the pipe | redirects the output to the printer |
| 19:53.30 | enouf | demism: man sprintf works for local display |
| 19:53.36 | enouf | demism: i know |
| 19:53.44 | SOG | what's the command to get xfce? |
| 19:53.57 | SOG | !xfce |
| 19:53.57 | dpkg | [xfce] a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. |
| 19:54.00 | enouf | !install xfce |
| 19:54.01 | dpkg | Install the package "xfce4" or boot off CD3 of the CD sets (that's the xfce install cd) or specify "tasks=xfce-desktop" at the debian-installer boot prompt. |
| 19:54.23 | SOG | um... package... |
| 19:54.45 | SOG | I will see if I can find it :D but looks like ALOT of things for xfce |
| 19:54.55 | SOG | !make menuconfig |
| 19:54.56 | dpkg | If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev' |
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| 19:56.08 | enouf | SOG: why o why? you don't deserve to compile :-P |
| 19:56.15 | SOG | :o ? |
| 19:56.19 | Pupeno | What is that program that wraps make install and makes a deb out of it? |
| 19:56.37 | enouf | SOG: make menuconfig has nothing to do with xfce4 |
| 19:56.38 | SOG | I have a special CPU for longrun I want to be able to change the speed |
| 19:56.58 | SOG | very old Transmeta |
| 19:57.55 | enouf | Pupeno: you might be thinking of checkinstall, but don't use it |
| 19:58.03 | quitte | SOG: the cpudyn package doesnt already work? |
| 19:58.05 | Pupeno | enouf: why not? |
| 19:58.12 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 19:58.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 19:58.37 | SOG | no it doesn't quitte I think I need to enable Crusoe and Longrun in the kernel |
| 19:58.39 | Pupeno | !stow |
| 19:58.41 | dpkg | methinks stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>. |
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| 19:59.02 | enouf | !tell Pupeno -about msg the bot |
| 19:59.11 | enouf | just a FYI |
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| 19:59.54 | Pupeno | I understand, but I'm not really adding a program, but replacing sane with a newer version, so I need to install it in-place, or do some apt-voodoo. |
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| 20:00.38 | enouf | Pupeno: wait, bpo isn't enough? |
| 20:01.16 | enouf | judd: versions sane |
| 20:01.17 | judd | enouf: sane: 1.0.14-2 (etch) 1.0.14-7 (lenny) 1.0.14-7 (sid) |
| 20:01.27 | Pupeno | enouf: what is bpo? |
| 20:01.42 | enouf | !tell Pupeno -about backports.org |
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| 20:02.10 | Pupeno | enouf: I doubt it, the driver I need hasn't been released yet. |
| 20:02.37 | enouf | released? |
| 20:02.41 | enouf | from the wild? |
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| 20:02.49 | Pupeno | It's only on CVS. |
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| 20:03.38 | enouf | well, maybe even <equivs> is apropos |
| 20:03.43 | quitte | Pupeno: you could try to fetch the debian source and drop the cvs source into it. then bump up the version in the changelog a notch and try if it builds |
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| 20:04.37 | Pupeno | quitte: I thought about it, and I would definitely consider it for something more serious than my desktop. |
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| 20:05.06 | enouf | though heck, if you're messing with stuff like that, use checkinstall - it's your baby ;-) |
| 20:05.13 | Pupeno | quitte: thanks. |
| 20:05.34 | quitte | Pupeno: it's surprisingly easy and comes in handy quite often |
| 20:06.52 | Pupeno | enouf: yeah, I just need it on two machines... not sure about conflicting files, I'll check dpkg's arguments |
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| 20:09.50 | enouf | Pupeno: well, to get whatever you do to play nice with the pkg mgmt system, you might want to review "/msg dpkg nmg" |
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| 20:09.57 | bunnyto | how to uninstall with wine ? |
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| 20:11.46 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, try asking about that in #winehq they know more about wine operations and useage |
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| 20:14.34 | bremby | hi enouf and other people. Is there any difference in installations using miniCDs, netboot or floppies to do netinstall? Is there any difference in setting up the installation? |
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| 20:17.13 | enouf | bremby: smaller media have less software ;-) |
| 20:17.50 | enouf | bremby: if you can get internet, no matter which method of install - you can easily add/subtract |
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| 20:18.21 | enouf | bremby: "netinstall" is the general recommended way |
| 20:18.41 | bremby | enouf: okay, I was just wondering about the "sets" - like standard, desktop, webserver, etc. |
| 20:18.57 | enouf | bremby: you mean tasksel options |
| 20:19.05 | simonrvn | they're called tasks |
| 20:19.30 | bremby | enouf: yes. firstly the installation installs the VERY basic system to install these tasks, right? |
| 20:19.38 | enouf | man tasksel ; tasksel --list-tasks ; tasksel --task-packages desktop |
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| 20:20.17 | enouf | bremby: all depends - the Installation guide details all these |
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| 20:21.38 | bremby | enouf: oh, yeah, that was another question - how do I set the installation to show me more details? I think there was an option in the guide, "priority=<level>". where do I set this? |
| 20:21.47 | enouf | bremby: note; if you choose to not tick a tasksel option during install - you can always run it afterwards |
| 20:22.09 | enouf | bremby: use 'expert{gui}' |
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| 20:22.40 | cr3rzemjest | how do you install kde on debian if you have fluxbox already installed? |
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| 20:22.46 | bremby | I know, but this is not my point, I still haven't installed the basic debian system, I am just gathering info about the installation |
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| 20:22.53 | enouf | !install kde |
| 20:22.53 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 20:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | where are (undeliverable) outgoing messages from exim stored and/or what's the best way to remove them? (i.e. is rm ok?) |
| 20:23.32 | bremby | enouf: where do I use this? |
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| 20:23.54 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: might need to afterwards do as root; |
| 20:23.55 | enouf | # update-alternatives --config x- |
| 20:23.55 | enouf | x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
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| 20:24.21 | enouf | bremby: use what? |
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| 20:24.34 | bremby | enouf: that expert gui |
| 20:24.46 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: /var/spool/exim4; no it isn't. use exim4 -Mrm <msg-id> |
| 20:24.53 | enouf | bremby: hit F1-F10 during install - just after it boots |
| 20:25.25 | bremby | enouf: thanx! and sorry for bothering you that much :) |
| 20:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there's only /var/spool/exim and I've already been there |
| 20:25.44 | simonrvn | use mailq to see them |
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| 20:25.56 | enouf | bremby: no worries - but the Installation Guide mentions ALL of this |
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| 20:26.20 | Smuggle | hi all! |
| 20:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, ok, thanks - that doesn't show anything, so I guess the message that bounced a couple of times is gone |
| 20:26.57 | McGyver | Hi all |
| 20:27.24 | simonrvn | yeh, or the daemon doesn't have it in its db. you could go in with a find or mc to go delete dead headers or such |
| 20:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that explains well, why I didn't find it on my own =) |
| 20:27.37 | Smuggle | anyone here uses broadcom b43xx wireless card? don't with ndiswrapper... |
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| 20:27.56 | PiousMinion | Smuggle: not currently, but I have before. |
| 20:28.04 | dmoerner | Smuggle: use b43 with lenny or bcm43xx with etch |
| 20:28.21 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, how do you get a list of allternatives? |
| 20:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I tested that perhaps more often than I remember (and so only thought it was bouncing repeatedly) - now that I check again, it sais 'this is a permanent error' so it shouldn't really have bounced |
| 20:28.25 | cr3rzemjest | 1l |
| 20:28.46 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: tab completion |
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| 20:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | It was just the amount of messages that fooled me... don't remember there being more than two |
| 20:29.15 | Smuggle | [dmoerner]: debian 4.0 |
| 20:29.19 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: remove the comments (#) from the 3 lines at the end of your ~/.bashrc |
| 20:29.28 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Smuggle -about bcm43xx |
| 20:29.48 | PiousMinion | Smuggle: apt-get install b43-fwcutter |
| 20:30.13 | dmoerner | Smuggle: if you use the etchnhalf kernel you will want b43 instead |
| 20:31.07 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: these lines if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then \n . /etc/bash_completion \n fi |
| 20:31.21 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: \n == newline |
| 20:32.21 | Smuggle | [PiousMinion]: just that??? then, the firmware will be instaled and everything will be ok, right? |
| 20:32.27 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, ok |
| 20:32.34 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: if you want; do the same for your /root/{.bashrc,.profile,login} but i made my own /root/.bashrc |
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| 20:33.23 | PiousMinion | Smuggle: that's all there is to it. The only thing to worry about is if you don't use "etchnhalf" you will want to use this instead: apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 20:33.42 | ricosecada | Does backports receive security updates? |
| 20:34.01 | Smuggle | [PiousMinion]: what a hell etchnhalt means? |
| 20:34.41 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: when you are a regular user, your user $HOME is '~' (or /home/username), when you are root user, your $HOME is /root |
| 20:34.57 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, ok i know that ;p |
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| 20:35.05 | enouf | !spank cr3rzemjest |
| 20:35.05 | dpkg | bends cr3rzemjest over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 20:35.15 | PiousMinion | Smuggle: "etchnhalf" is kind of like an update that allows etch to support newer hardware. You can read more about that here --> http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 |
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| 20:35.37 | cr3rzemjest | ? |
| 20:35.38 | enouf | !tab complete me |
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| 20:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tab-completes enough |
| 20:37.35 | Smuggle | [PiousMinion]: do you know if with "normal kernel" i'll can connect in lan's with WPA security? |
| 20:38.27 | PiousMinion | Smuggle: I do not know that as I have never tried. A bit of googleing should provide that info though. |
| 20:39.27 | enouf | !bcm43xx |
| 20:39.27 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26. |
| 20:39.55 | enouf | what a Broadcom dump |
| 20:40.54 | ricosecada | !backports |
| 20:40.54 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 20:41.26 | ricosecada | !backports.org |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 20:42.55 | enouf | ricosecada: please /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 20:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 20:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was slightly ambiguous... |
| 20:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | messages dpkg about <factoid> |
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| 20:49.21 | cr3rzemjest | weird! i've started kde on fluxbox, and now kde has fluxbox's windowbars... |
| 20:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 20:50.00 | surrounder | cr3rzemjest: that's because you use fluxbox as a window manager instead of I think kwin |
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| 20:51.33 | cr3rzemjest | how do i find out what should be .xsession file for kde? isn't 'kdm' login manager not display manager? can't i make it to allow me choose between kde and fluxbox? i've installed 'pure' debian, then fluxbox, and now kde... |
| 20:52.05 | SOG | is the newest kernel -2.6.8 ? |
| 20:52.23 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: you use a DM? |
| 20:52.41 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, xdm... |
| 20:52.47 | SOG | !kernel |
| 20:52.48 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.27, snapshot: 2.6.27-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.7, prepatch: 2.4.37-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.27-rc5-mm1 |
| 20:52.59 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: sure, .. er .. what happened to kdm you just mentioned? |
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| 20:53.14 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, it doesn't appear |
| 20:53.51 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: time to ask #debian-kde , might need to do somethng in /usr/share/kdm/* |
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| 20:55.49 | bunnyto | help!! when i try to run an application from terminal using a normal user, i get this error, No protocol specified opera: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
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| 20:57.49 | bunnyto | hello? |
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| 20:58.30 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, are you using gnome or kde? |
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| 20:58.39 | bunnyto | superfirelord42: gnome |
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| 20:59.13 | Eulex | how exactly are you trying to run it? from what terminal? |
| 20:59.41 | bunnyto | # opera |
| 20:59.47 | Eulex | as root? |
| 20:59.52 | bunnyto | as normal user |
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| 21:00.29 | superfirelord42 | it works as root i am willing to bet, since wine put up the graphical when run as root... |
| 21:00.29 | Eulex | echo $USERNAME, please |
| 21:00.46 | bunnyto | pimp |
| 21:01.17 | superfirelord42 | ^ thats his username |
| 21:01.22 | Eulex | superfirelord42, depends on how you run it as root, you need to have $DISPLAY intact |
| 21:01.29 | Eulex | bunnyto, how did you start this terminal? |
| 21:01.53 | bunnyto | Eulex: i started the terminal thats says "root terminal", then i typed "sudo pimp" |
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| 21:02.27 | Eulex | bunnyto, a root terminal runs as the root user. not as a normal user. also, do not run X apps as root. |
| 21:03.37 | superfirelord42 | techically, it was not being run as root since it was done in a sudo pimp.... heheh... bunnyto, try running a non root terminal |
| 21:03.53 | Eulex | superfirelord42, sudo runs a program as root! |
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| 21:04.02 | Eulex | by default, anyway |
| 21:04.10 | Eulex | you can override that with -u |
| 21:04.20 | Eulex | bunnyto, what is this 'pimp' program anyway? |
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| 21:04.33 | bunnyto | Eulex: im trying to install Warcraft 3 |
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| 21:04.41 | SOG | !kernel |
| 21:04.43 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.27, snapshot: 2.6.27-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.7, prepatch: 2.4.37-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.27-rc5-mm1 |
| 21:04.55 | bunnyto | pimp is my username |
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| 21:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | SOG, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 21:05.39 | Eulex | bunnyto, then you've got no reason to run anything as root. start a normal terminal, proceed with what you were doing, do not run anything with sudo. if you aren't doing anything very special that needs it. |
| 21:05.48 | superfirelord42 | Eulex, he ran it as the user pimp it appears.... not the program pimp |
| 21:05.57 | SOG | oh thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:06.18 | Eulex | bunnyto, and you should be aware that 'sudo pimp' will try to run the program 'pimp'. |
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| 21:06.32 | Eulex | superfirelord42, <bunnyto> Eulex: i started the terminal thats says "root terminal", then i typed "sudo pimp" |
| 21:06.46 | bunnyto | sorry |
| 21:06.47 | bunnyto | su pimp |
| 21:06.52 | superfirelord42 | then how was $USERNAME showing pimp? |
| 21:07.19 | Eulex | bunnyto, ah, explains a lot |
| 21:07.20 | superfirelord42 | rests his case... |
| 21:07.41 | bunnyto | thanks guys |
| 21:07.47 | bunnyto | if you all were girls... i would... |
| 21:07.55 | superfirelord42 | although i must admit, i thought he did sudo -u and left it off his message... |
| 21:08.04 | Eulex | bunnyto, if you do that, environment variables needed for running X apps would not be set |
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| 21:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eulex, too late |
| 21:08.36 | Eulex | yep |
| 21:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | he'll be back |
| 21:09.00 | Eulex | perhaps |
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| 21:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 21:09.14 | bunnyto | ping |
| 21:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | , the psychic |
| 21:09.26 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, pong? |
| 21:09.56 | Eulex | bunnyto, run a normal terminal, and then just proceed with running whatever command you want to run, instead of starting a root terminal and then su-ing to your user |
| 21:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | pong (DUP!) |
| 21:11.09 | bunnyto | superfirelord42: when i run "wine installer.exe" i see the window, but the image is transparent |
| 21:11.54 | Eulex | bunnyto, #wine, or consult the wine appdb |
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| 21:11.59 | Neo_The_User | hi everyone |
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| 21:12.11 | Neo_The_User | which debian disk contains gnome? |
| 21:12.15 | Deiz | Is there a way to quickly purge config files for uninstalled packages? |
| 21:12.16 | Neo_The_User | unstable CD |
| 21:12.50 | Neo_The_User | i have CD binary-1. is CD 2 the one with X and everything? |
| 21:12.59 | bunnyto | hi |
| 21:13.03 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, umh. please use ftp or http sources. |
| 21:13.06 | Neo_The_User | i bet this question gets asked everyday |
| 21:13.09 | wols | mishok13: there is no unstable cd |
| 21:13.22 | wols | Neo_The_User: first CD contains gnome |
| 21:13.45 | Neo_The_User | ok let me be more specific |
| 21:14.18 | Neo_The_User | because i installed CD 1 and it booted up terminal. i install gdm, then i try installing gnome, and says the packages cannot be obtained or whatever but i can run updates just fine |
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| 21:14.42 | wols | Neo_The_User: what did you download exactly? |
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| 21:14.46 | Neo_The_User | ok here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ i have the first CD |
| 21:14.48 | wols | filename |
| 21:14.56 | wols | FILENAME |
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| 21:15.06 | Neo_The_User | debian testing i386 CD 1 |
| 21:15.16 | Neo_The_User | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 21:15.24 | wols | that has gnome |
| 21:15.35 | Neo_The_User | not for me. it always starts up in terminal |
| 21:15.45 | wols | what's in your sources.list? |
| 21:15.55 | Neo_The_User | i installed gdm then typed in sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 21:16.09 | Neo_The_User | i got to the login screen, logged in, nothing happends |
| 21:16.30 | Eulex | and you had gnome installed? |
| 21:16.39 | Neo_The_User | no |
| 21:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deiz, something like dpkg -l |awk '/rc/{print $2}' |xargs echo dpkg -r --purge |
| 21:16.54 | Neo_The_User | it said the application cannot be installed. |
| 21:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (remove 'echo' on your own risk) |
| 21:17.08 | Neo_The_User | it can find it but "cannot be installed" or will not be installed |
| 21:17.19 | wols | Neo_The_User: FULL output |
| 21:17.20 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, so why were you expecting it to work? also, please answer wols' question, and please give us exact error messages. |
| 21:17.26 | bunnyto | wtf... i need to restart |
| 21:17.35 | Neo_The_User | what does this do? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso what iso is that? |
| 21:17.50 | Neo_The_User | does that have a GUI ready thing? oh and btw, i did expert install. |
| 21:17.53 | Eulex | contains xfce instead of gnome |
| 21:18.15 | wols | Neo_The_User: you have two choices. follow what we tell you or solve your own problems alone. what's it gonna be? |
| 21:18.32 | Neo_The_User | i dont know what my sources.list file is. jesus. im using ubuntu right now |
| 21:18.35 | wols | Neo_The_User: you have two choices. follow what we tell you or solve your own problems alone. what's it gonna be? |
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| 21:19.01 | Neo_The_User | i already answered you. |
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| 21:19.20 | wols | no you didn't answer anything. have a nice day solving your problems on your own. goodbye |
| 21:19.27 | Neo_The_User | excuse me? |
| 21:19.32 | Neo_The_User | i dont know my sources.list |
| 21:19.50 | mfrisch | source this ;-) |
| 21:19.51 | Eulex | then take a look in it. or if you don't know where it is, please *ask* |
| 21:20.04 | tanger | hello, i keep tring to do a password-less login via ssh, i did setup the keys with correct permisions, have RSAAuthentication yes and PubkeyAuthentication yes ; but it still asks me for a password instead of using a key |
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| 21:20.20 | Neo_The_User | why is everybody so rude? |
| 21:20.34 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: sorry sir, How may i help you? |
| 21:20.39 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 21:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | today is be-rude-to-strangers-day, so stfu! |
| 21:20.52 | Neo_The_User | wow. |
| 21:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 21:20.58 | Neo_The_User | im going to fedora. bye |
| 21:21.04 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: Sir, please stop, i love you |
| 21:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk |
| 21:21.16 | bunnyto | bleh.. pansy guy |
| 21:21.19 | mfrisch | NO NO oh wait GO GO |
| 21:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you think he really took me seriously? |
| 21:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps thought irony has something to do with metal |
| 21:22.21 | mfrisch | anyone know a good free online im???? |
| 21:22.40 | Eulex | jabber |
| 21:22.46 | Eulex | or irc :) |
| 21:22.51 | bunnyto | jabber rulez |
| 21:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives up on the world |
| 21:23.26 | superfirelord42 | jabber.... |
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| 21:23.44 | mfrisch | bunny any free servers that use ssl?? |
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| 21:24.12 | superfirelord42 | mfrisch, i personally like openfire.... but thats the only one I have tried.. im sure there is a comparison somewhere... |
| 21:24.31 | bunnyto | finchy... try jabber.org and use pidgin 128 encryption plugin |
| 21:24.48 | bunnyto | test |
| 21:25.16 | Neo_The_User | does expert install not install a GUI? |
| 21:25.27 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, it installs a gui if you tell it to. |
| 21:25.34 | Neo_The_User | i never saw an option |
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| 21:26.00 | mfrisch | ok and how off-topic this is. I am on a public connection and need something all free and through a webui would be nice. |
| 21:26.10 | Eulex | well, there's a screen where it asks what tasks should be installed. there is among others a 'desktop' task. |
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| 21:26.14 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: How may i help you Sir? may i have your license number please? |
| 21:26.24 | mfrisch | I would set up ejabberd if I HAD A BOX! |
| 21:26.27 | Neo_The_User | my what number? |
| 21:26.28 | Eulex | bunnyto, puh-leeze. |
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| 21:27.36 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, you can display the task list once again even after installation by running 'tasksel' |
| 21:27.36 | Neo_The_User | how could I edit the task list after the installation? |
| 21:28.01 | Eulex | if you run that command, you would perhaps find out. |
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| 21:28.37 | tanger | Is there any other option that influence password logins in sshd, i have RSAAuthentication yes and PubkeyAuthentication yes, i use the keys, and it still asks for a password |
| 21:28.58 | mfrisch | tanger did you do a zero pass? |
| 21:29.15 | wols | Eulex: aren't you tired by now? btw he said he installed gnome but got errors |
| 21:29.20 | tanger | mfrisch: no im tring to login using only a key pair |
| 21:29.20 | wols | e.g. he tried to install it |
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| 21:29.45 | mfrisch | tanger set up the account with no password a zero pass. |
| 21:29.50 | mfrisch | then use the key |
| 21:29.55 | Neo_The_User | my window keeps closing sorry. i highly doubt gnome is installed |
| 21:29.55 | Eulex | wols, actually, a little. |
| 21:30.10 | Neo_The_User | i even had to manually install gdm |
| 21:30.41 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: do you have want to buy upgrade? |
| 21:30.46 | Neo_The_User | i type in sudo apt-get install gnome and says something about how it could be under a different package or something |
| 21:31.00 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, what actual, exact error are you getting? |
| 21:31.24 | tanger | mfrisch: what do you mean exacrly by "zero pass" ? |
| 21:31.26 | Neo_The_User | i forget off the top of my head but i'll install irssi in debian so i could ask my question more specifically |
| 21:32.12 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: sudo? are you using debian? |
| 21:32.17 | Eulex | tanger, if you want to disable password login for all users, you could use PasswordAuthentication no |
| 21:32.21 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: are you using UBUNTU? |
| 21:32.21 | Neo_The_User | not right now |
| 21:32.26 | Neo_The_User | yes ubuntu |
| 21:32.31 | Neo_The_User | i hate it |
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| 21:32.36 | Eulex | bunnyto, sudo is installable on debian too. |
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| 21:32.49 | bunnyto | slaps Neo_The_User with ubuntu tape drive |
| 21:32.54 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 21:32.59 | tanger | Eulex: that's the thing, i only want to disable it for this user |
| 21:33.12 | wols | bunnyto: do you have a debian support question? |
| 21:33.22 | Neo_The_User | wols, do you? |
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| 21:33.49 | easytiger | b |
| 21:33.54 | AndrewBC | This isn't a debian-specific question, but I'm certain that the company that keeps in here will know various ways to do this. What I'm needing to do is grab the largest number in a pattern, based on files in a directory. There will be lots, with a consistent naming pattern. Now, I'm guessing awk would be able to handle this, but I've no idea how to handle it. Any hints? |
| 21:34.05 | Eulex | tanger, passwd -d then |
| 21:34.15 | AndrewBC | e.g. "daily.0" "daily.1" "daily.2"... |
| 21:34.31 | wols | AndrewBC: #bash |
| 21:34.34 | Neo_The_User | Eulex, are you using command line or GUI right now in debian? |
| 21:34.52 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, umh, well, both, but why are you asking? |
| 21:34.55 | easytiger | AndrewBC: man uniq |
| 21:34.59 | AndrewBC | wols, this will be a command being run from crontab, does bash scripting work like that? |
| 21:35.09 | AndrewBC | will bash scripting work that way* rather |
| 21:35.13 | wols | AndrewBC: what debian version do you run? |
| 21:35.17 | Eulex | AndrewBC, cron can run anything that is executable. for example a bash script. |
| 21:35.21 | Neo_The_User | because i'm curious if anybody got a working GUI right now |
| 21:35.25 | AndrewBC | Oh |
| 21:35.35 | easytiger | AndrewBC: if you can't do it in bash you prob need to re-specify the problem |
| 21:35.46 | wols | AndrewBC: what debian version do you run? |
| 21:35.57 | AndrewBC | It's not that I'm saying I can't, its' that I don't know very much about how to go about it. |
| 21:36.04 | AndrewBC | wols, lenny |
| 21:36.19 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, eh, of course. in any case, have you got a debian mirror configured? |
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| 21:36.44 | Neo_The_User | i dont know |
| 21:36.47 | wols | Neo_The_User: stop the PMs and especially the ctcp pings |
| 21:36.53 | Neo_The_User | ? |
| 21:37.03 | tanger | Eulex: even with that ssh still asks for a password |
| 21:37.07 | Neo_The_User | wols, what are you talking about? |
| 21:37.09 | wols | you know what you did you moron |
| 21:37.20 | Neo_The_User | i wish i did |
| 21:37.23 | bunnyto | Neo_The_User: sir.. stop fingering me |
| 21:37.31 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 21:37.39 | Neo_The_User | im not |
| 21:37.51 | wols | 23:36 Neo_The_User [n=Neo_The_@c-24-13-84-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net] requested CTCP PING from wols: 1797655783 |
| 21:37.55 | bunnyto | im receiving strange statistics from you |
| 21:37.58 | easytiger | does anyone know how to increase the number of rows and cols in a virtual terminal? |
| 21:38.04 | wols | puts Neo_The_User on ignore |
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| 21:39.07 | Eulex | easytiger, as in a linux text console? |
| 21:39.22 | nkuttler | easytiger: different font? |
| 21:39.31 | bunnyto | easy tiger... |
| 21:39.43 | AndrewBC | Oh, wols, I see what you meant, for some reason I thought # was a prompt, not a channel. |
| 21:39.48 | AndrewBC | Momentary brain lapse. |
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| 21:41.21 | dasickis | what's the best way to install debian from the usb key |
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| 21:41.40 | bunnyto | how to know if i have Opengl drivers installed? |
| 21:41.41 | dasickis | i used UNetbootin to create the USB |
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| 21:42.15 | Eulex | bunnyto, you mean whether you have a driver that provides opengl acceleration? |
| 21:42.33 | bunnyto | Eulex: yes.. i want to play a game, but seems im missing opengl |
| 21:42.38 | Eulex | glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 21:43.01 | bunnyto | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 21:43.01 | bunnyto | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 21:43.11 | Eulex | bunnyto, you're not missing opengl, but you may be missing extensions and glx visuals |
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| 21:43.36 | bunnyto | Eulex: any magic command to fix this maybe? |
| 21:43.38 | SOG | Does Debian 4.0 automatically load the old config when I do make menuconfig or should I still do make oldconfig first ? |
| 21:43.43 | Eulex | bunnyto, no. |
| 21:43.51 | Eulex | bunnyto, take a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what driver you're currently using. |
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| 21:44.13 | dasickis | i get stuck at the detect and mount cd-rom |
| 21:44.14 | dasickis | part |
| 21:44.34 | Eulex | SOG, if the config is from a differently versioned kernel, you will need make oldconfig. |
| 21:44.42 | Eulex | *versioned or patched |
| 21:44.45 | SOG | Oh, thanks Eulex |
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| 21:45.18 | wols | bunnyto: what videocard and what debian version? |
| 21:45.48 | Eulex | SOG, make oldconfig removes and adds config options to make it have all the config options available with the kernel you're about to compile. |
| 21:45.48 | bunnyto | wols: ati x1300 , debian lenny 4 |
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| 21:46.29 | Eulex | I believe you will need fglrx to get 3d acceleration with that one |
| 21:46.45 | wols | I think so too |
| 21:46.49 | wols | !fglrx |
| 21:46.49 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 21:46.52 | bunnyto | Eulex: im using Ati propietary drivers |
| 21:47.14 | Eulex | bunnyto, is your xorg.conf configured to use it? |
| 21:47.24 | bunnyto | Eulex: yes |
| 21:47.30 | wols | bunnyto: no. if you did you had oopengl |
| 21:47.51 | Eulex | bunnyto, what does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo output? |
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| 21:49.08 | easytiger | Eulex: i mean when you press Ctrl-Alt-F4 etc.. the virtual terminal. by default SuSE or knoppix has a larger number of rows and cols than debian does by default |
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| 21:49.21 | wols | easytiger: different framebuffer mode |
| 21:49.24 | bunnyto | Eulex: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 21:49.35 | swa | grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf && lsmod | grep fglrx bunnyto : both should return positive result |
| 21:49.39 | wols | bunnyto: you didn't run it the way Eulex asked of you |
| 21:49.50 | bunnyto | Eulex: where i can set LIBGL_DEBUG ? |
| 21:49.58 | Eulex | bunnyto, also, please put the output in a pastebin |
| 21:50.00 | wols | bunnyto: he tzold you exactly what to type |
| 21:50.03 | Eulex | bunnyto, right in front of the command. |
| 21:50.07 | easytiger | wols: where might i set that |
| 21:50.17 | Deiz | Anyone have a CLI network monitor to suggest? I find iptraf is excessive for what I want, and it's also large in terms of screen real-estate. |
| 21:50.18 | wols | easytiger: kernel parameter |
| 21:50.23 | wols | !framebuffer |
| 21:50.24 | dpkg | hmm... framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 21:50.24 | bunnyto | Driver "fglrx" |
| 21:50.38 | wols | bunnyto: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 21:50.41 | Eulex | easytiger, boot with VGA=foo, where foo is a vesa vbe mode, or VGA=ASK to make it ask about the mode |
| 21:50.44 | bunnyto | okok 1 min |
| 21:50.44 | wols | erm, your XOrg log, sorry |
| 21:50.50 | wols | bunnyto: not the conf. only the log |
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| 21:51.20 | Eulex | Deiz, what aspects of network communication do you want to monitor? |
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| 21:51.48 | easytiger | Eulex: cheers :) |
| 21:53.01 | bunnyto | http://paste2.org/p/85406 |
| 21:53.01 | Deiz | Eulex: At present I'd be content with kB/s in/out as well as bandwidth totals. |
| 21:53.02 | Eulex | (actually, it's not really a vesa vbe mode; it's a vesa vbe mode incremented by 0x200) |
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| 21:53.09 | Eulex | Deiz, try jnettop |
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| 21:53.13 | bunnyto | http://paste2.org/p/85406 << glxinfo output |
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| 21:53.36 | bunnyto | http://paste2.org/p/85409 << Xorg.conf |
| 21:53.58 | tictac | haha |
| 21:54.25 | Eulex | bunnyto, xorg log? (also, I don't believe you ran glxinfo the way I told you to... either that or glxinfo is stupid) |
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| 21:56.15 | bunnyto | http://paste2.org/p/85411 |
| 21:56.18 | Deiz | Eulex: jnettop requires 80x20. Are there no simple monitors that can draw in, say, 80x10? |
| 21:56.26 | bunnyto | Eulex: http://paste2.org/p/85411 |
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| 21:56.54 | Eulex | bunnyto, no, $ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
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| 21:59.11 | bunnyto | Eulex: http://paste2.org/p/85414 |
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| 22:00.04 | Eulex | bunnyto, ok. is the fglrx kernel module loaded? |
| 22:00.28 | dasickis | does anyone know/ |
| 22:00.29 | dasickis | ?* |
| 22:00.59 | bunnyto | Eulex: no :( |
| 22:01.07 | Eulex | bunnyto, can you load it? |
| 22:01.20 | bunnyto | 1 sec |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 22:01.43 | dpkg | somebody said usb install was Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 22:03.10 | bunnyto | modprobe fglrxFATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 22:03.26 | pgimeno | Is it possible to get a list of packages marked as "new package" in dselect? Is that information only in the database, or is it in some text file? I've tried dpkg -l but it doesn't show the new package flag. |
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| 22:03.41 | Eulex | bunnyto, what kernel are you running? |
| 22:04.01 | bunnyto | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-5) ( |
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| 22:04.14 | Eulex | !tell bunnyto about fglrx oneliner |
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| 22:05.45 | Eulex | bunnyto, use module-assistant/m-a per dpk'g instructions to build and install the fglrx kernel module |
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| 22:07.36 | wols | Eulex: on lenny? |
| 22:08.33 | Eulex | wols, I see no reason it won't work? |
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| 22:09.10 | wols | k. wonder why fglrx is in and nvidia isn't |
| 22:09.42 | Eulex | life's mysteries |
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| 22:10.09 | bunnyto | Eulex: ok i got the module compiled and loaded |
| 22:10.51 | Eulex | bunnyto, restart X and pray. also make sure that the version of your kernel module matches the X driver. |
| 22:11.02 | bunnyto | Module Size Used by |
| 22:11.02 | bunnyto | fglrx 1740740 0 |
| 22:11.21 | bunnyto | ok.. lets see |
| 22:11.29 | horochovec | hello, i trying to configure on lenny ltsp 5... in server, the pendrive works fine (kde) and in thinclient dont work.. in kde thinclient dont show the dialog whit options.. |
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| 22:12.38 | horochovec | but in dmesg the pendrive is detected... any idea to resolv this problem on thinclient? |
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| 22:12.51 | bunnyto | AAAAHHHH doesnt work!!!@@#@!#!@#$!@$! |
| 22:13.11 | bunnyto | my 4 monitors are a mess... i lost all the configuration!! |
| 22:14.05 | bunnyto | instead of have 7680 x 1024 of resolution ... i have again allmonitors cloned |
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| 22:14.39 | Eulex | bunnyto, if you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it did take a backup before modifying xorg.conf. |
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| 22:15.03 | bunnyto | Eulex: i deleted the backup, i trusted blindly on you |
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| 22:16.00 | Eulex | uh, well, technically I told you to run the part of the one-liner that compiles the kernel module. you already had a working xorg,conf |
| 22:16.21 | bunnyto | is thinking to ask a refund... |
| 22:16.29 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 22:16.38 | Eulex | gives bunnyto his $0 |
| 22:17.00 | bunnyto | what about my emotional refund ? |
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| 22:18.53 | amphi | !pal bunnyto |
| 22:18.53 | dpkg | points at bunnyto and laughs |
| 22:19.04 | amphi | ;) |
| 22:19.15 | Eulex | !pony bunnyto |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | gives bunnyto a pony |
| 22:19.36 | dasickis | the problem isn't that the usb doesn't boot |
| 22:19.36 | bunnyto | !jackdanields bunnyto |
| 22:19.49 | dasickis | i have problems with the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step |
| 22:19.56 | Eulex | !beer bunnyto |
| 22:19.56 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for bunnyto |
| 22:20.09 | Deiz | Feh, bmon is just as feature-rich as iptraf and jnettop. |
| 22:20.17 | Deiz | Is there no such thing as a *simple* monitor? |
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| 22:21.20 | Deiz | At least bmon can intelligently redraw, but it still needs ample space for proper display. |
| 22:21.20 | bunnyto | downloads ubuntu |
| 22:21.43 | Eulex | Deiz, there's one that I have used that just displays current bandwidth usage. I don't remember its name. |
| 22:22.13 | Deiz | Really, I'm fine with detail. It's just all these packages use space inefficiently |
| 22:23.09 | amphi | Deiz: nload perhaps? |
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| 22:24.12 | Neo_The_User | i did the automatic gui installer, still gives me only terminal |
| 22:24.18 | bunnyto | Pays for a copy of Ubuntu 100 bucks |
| 22:24.28 | Deiz | amphi: Neat. Giving it a shot. |
| 22:24.39 | Neo_The_User | i downloaded ubuntu. not pay |
| 22:24.43 | superfirelord42 | laughts, i used shipit |
| 22:25.28 | Neo_The_User | i did the automatic gui installer, still gives me only terminal. is debian similar to gentoo when you have to build everything? |
| 22:25.49 | amphi | Neo_The_User: no |
| 22:26.01 | bunnyto | im paying so i can demand a refund, and the right to beat the supporters |
| 22:26.14 | Neo_The_User | why am i not getting a GUI after it installs? |
| 22:26.18 | Deiz | amphi: nload seems to be really.. glitchy. It's flashing between insane numbers. 0 kbit then 4 mbit, 0, then 10 mbit etc. |
| 22:26.19 | themill | bunnyto: that sort of attitude won't get you very far |
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| 22:26.39 | Neo_The_User | it automatically gives me only textual interface without even gdm installed |
| 22:26.41 | superfirelord42 | hahah, i saw someone try to mess with people on a support channel, rushing the group working on hardware supplies |
| 22:26.56 | bunnyto | seriously im trying to install warcraft 3 for 10 hours... and my computer is crashed... I want to beat somebody.... |
| 22:27.04 | superfirelord42 | person got them to switch the voltage switch and they blew up the computer... |
| 22:27.36 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, define 'automatic gui installer' |
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| 22:29.19 | Neo_The_User | pop in CD. automatic GUI installer expert mod |
| 22:29.22 | Neo_The_User | *mode |
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| 22:29.37 | Neo_The_User | boom boom. reboot. terminal |
| 22:29.45 | Neo_The_User | every time no matter which option i chose. |
| 22:29.56 | themill | Neo_The_User: did you install the "desktop" task? |
| 22:30.05 | Neo_The_User | yessir |
| 22:30.07 | Eulex | that you used the gui installer means that you got a gui while installing. not that it will install a gui. |
| 22:30.19 | Neo_The_User | i also did the manual expert install |
| 22:30.32 | Neo_The_User | Eulex, i understand that |
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| 22:31.18 | themill | Neo_The_User: is gdm installed? what's the output of "dpkg -l gdm" |
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| 22:31.38 | hjb | Hi. What was the name of that function by which i can check if any given pointer is valid within the address space of my calling process? |
| 22:31.54 | Neo_The_User | i had to install gdm manually using sudo apt-get install gdm. im not using debian right now so i can't answer that question |
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| 22:32.22 | themill | Neo_The_User: if you selected the "desktop" task, it should have installed that for you automatically. |
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| 22:32.42 | Neo_The_User | i can log into my user in the graphical login when i type in "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" and it works but after i log in, it freezes |
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| 22:33.23 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, we cannot help you if you do not have access to the actual running debian installation. |
| 22:33.36 | Neo_The_User | let me get this straight. if there is a [ * ] box in the tasks, does that mean its selected or not> |
| 22:33.38 | Neo_The_User | *? |
| 22:34.06 | Neo_The_User | because I saw a [ * ] thing next to desktop. |
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| 22:34.35 | Eulex | that means it's installed. are your apt sources correctly setup? |
| 22:34.58 | easytiger | is it possible to see when you first installed your debian system? |
| 22:35.14 | themill | Neo_The_User: You said earlier you could only see the terminal, now you tell us you can login but it freezes. Which is it? |
| 22:35.17 | hjb | easytiger no |
| 22:35.22 | Neo_The_User | both |
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| 22:35.32 | themill | easytiger: look in /var/log/installer/ |
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| 22:35.34 | bbs | can someone please paste a standard etch sources.list please |
| 22:35.36 | bbs | :) |
| 22:35.38 | Neo_The_User | i have to manually launch gdm |
| 22:35.41 | bunnyto | wamps in Ubuntu |
| 22:35.46 | themill | dpkg: tell bbs about mirrors |
| 22:35.59 | Neo_The_User | after manually installing gdm. then gdm starts, but gnome isn't installed |
| 22:36.04 | Neo_The_User | and i cant install gnome |
| 22:36.07 | bunnyto | gdm |
| 22:36.18 | Neo_The_User | gnome desktop manager (login screen) |
| 22:36.23 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, once again, can you give us exact error messages? |
| 22:36.30 | Neo_The_User | i will |
| 22:36.37 | swa | aptitude install gnome |
| 22:36.43 | themill | Neo_The_User: so the problem is that you can't install gnome now? I'm getting more confused not less here. |
| 22:37.03 | Neo_The_User | gdm works. cant install gnome. cant see a desktop |
| 22:37.05 | easytiger | themill: i found it in /var/log/debian-installer/syslog |
| 22:37.07 | easytiger | thanks |
| 22:37.10 | themill | np |
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| 22:37.31 | Neo_The_User | so i cant install gnome. swa says use aptitude. is that a good idea? |
| 22:37.35 | easytiger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.32 | Eulex | Neo_The_User, try it? |
| 22:38.41 | Neo_The_User | ok |
| 22:38.51 | Neo_The_User | any other things i should write down? |
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| 22:39.02 | bbs | themill: No such file `netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb'. |
| 22:39.05 | themill | Neo_The_User: exact error messages are important. |
| 22:39.09 | Eulex | also, please reboot to your debian installation, and run an irc client from it. |
| 22:39.10 | Neo_The_User | ok |
| 22:39.15 | Neo_The_User | i'll run irssi |
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| 22:39.19 | Eulex | and come here. |
| 22:39.23 | Neo_The_User | then hit alt F2, copy and paste |
| 22:39.35 | Eulex | no, please use a pastebin |
| 22:39.36 | hjb | themill i can't find any *inst* in my /var/log |
| 22:39.41 | jaggz1 | at commandline, can I somehow copy-paste argument X from the prior commandline? |
| 22:39.48 | jaggz1 | oh whatever |
| 22:39.49 | jaggz1 | bleh |
| 22:39.53 | hjb | how do i determine the date of my first install? |
| 22:40.04 | jaggz1 | we need better shell. |
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| 22:40.25 | Eulex | jaggz1, install gpm and copy and paste? |
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| 22:40.46 | rkvirani | Anyone run Debian on an HP 2133? |
| 22:41.01 | jaggz1 | can someone give me some tips on using more-interactive bash.. where one might get some highlighting they could arrow-through... similar to vim's ^X^F completion where you get a popup of files and can pick one to insert |
| 22:41.11 | jaggz1 | Eulex, I wanted to avoid reaching for the mouse |
| 22:41.13 | themill | jaggz1: off course. e.g. !$ is the last argument |
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| 22:41.48 | hjb | themill also is alt-m |
| 22:41.52 | hjb | themill also is alt-, |
| 22:41.57 | jaggz1 | wow.. thanks themill |
| 22:42.19 | jaggz1 | readline's yank-nth-arg too... hurray! |
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| 22:45.01 | phanter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.28 | bunnyto | uninstalls debian... |
| 22:45.54 | hjb | jaggz1 http://www.catonmat.net/download/readline-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet.pdf |
| 22:46.07 | themill | also http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/ |
| 22:46.41 | hjb | themill huh, what's that catonmat stuff? |
| 22:47.02 | hjb | themill i've just googled it up right now |
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| 22:47.31 | Neo_The_User | so a * means on? |
| 22:47.44 | themill | Neo_The_User: yes |
| 22:47.46 | Neo_The_User | btw im using 2 monitors |
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| 22:47.58 | Neo_The_User | will that effect anything? |
| 22:48.50 | bunnyto | 2 monitors only?? Gimp!! i have 4 x 24 inches |
| 22:49.04 | rkvirani | wants to get a full size case so he can dual-head his debian box. |
| 22:49.17 | hjb | bunnyto so no compiz, huh? |
| 22:49.19 | rkvirani | that would be fun :D |
| 22:49.33 | jaggz1 | "\ep": history-search-backward |
| 22:49.33 | jaggz1 | "\en": history-search-forward |
| 22:49.36 | Eulex | who would want compiz? |
| 22:49.38 | jaggz1 | I prefer that over ^R |
| 22:49.43 | bunnyto | i cant use compiz, i do run 10 VMs in seamlessly mode |
| 22:50.12 | hjb | bunnyto me two, but i cant use compiz either :-) |
| 22:50.12 | jaggz1 | it allows you to type the first part of a command, like "cp<alt-p>" and it will take the previous history line beginning with cp |
| 22:50.15 | bunnyto | therefore compiz is for gimps... fancy pansy wanky |
| 22:50.46 | dthsqd | I'm afraid of running X windows before it eats up all my RAM : ( |
| 22:50.58 | dthsqd | I want to run a single gtk window in the framebuffer |
| 22:51.13 | bunnyto | i can run compiz, on 4 monitors... but Virtualbox aint compatible with compiz |
| 22:51.37 | hjb | bunnyto why not? |
| 22:51.37 | jaggz1 | off to get more work done! |
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| 22:51.45 | hjb | bunnyto complain 'bout it |
| 22:51.52 | hjb | bunnyto file bug report |
| 22:51.57 | bunnyto | seamlessly mode |
| 22:52.08 | bunnyto | bug is there, not fixed, get informed |
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| 22:52.38 | hjb | bunnyto so... say that you just want it! |
| 22:52.55 | hjb | compiz for you, not for gimpd |
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| 23:01.05 | AbsTradELic | developers here ? |
| 23:01.11 | `nstuff | evening |
| 23:01.23 | `nstuff | i'm getting echo_success: command not found when starting an init script |
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| 23:06.25 | harriman | Hello all. I'm looking for some guidance here (First time Linux User) I'm tying to triple boot my macbook pro. I successful installed all three operating systems in this order. OS X, XP, Ubuntu (Now i know this is not #ubuntu but they were so rude to me someone told me to come in here as you guys are not as 'cocky'). After install of Ubuntu I get an error message when trying to boot XP. hal.dll is missing or corrupt. I have search google many many many ti |
| 23:06.25 | harriman | mes, yet still have not found a solution to the problem (At least one that works). I've looked at boot.ini, seems fine, and tried to replace hal.dll but with no luck I'm looking for any guidance or suggestions to this problem. |
| 23:06.59 | bunnyto | harriman: Hello Sir, what version sir? |
| 23:07.27 | bunnyto | did you said apple products? |
| 23:07.42 | bunnyto | sorry but we hate Apple users |
| 23:07.43 | superfirelord42 | hal.dll, hmmm... what boot loader do you see when you reboot? |
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| 23:07.54 | themill | harriman: If you're using ubuntu, then you should be asking in #ubuntu. Anyone who sends ubuntu users into #debian is an idiot and you can tell them to come in here and justify how they think we can help. |
| 23:07.57 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, speak for yourself. |
| 23:08.12 | superfirelord42 | themill, actully, this may be a ##windows issue |
| 23:08.30 | themill | possibly, but certainly not '#d. |
| 23:08.42 | bunnyto | hal = hardware abstraction layer, windows , call 1-800-microsoft |
| 23:09.06 | superfirelord42 | doesnt hurt us to send him to the right place... |
| 23:09.35 | superfirelord42 | harriman, i suggest you look in ##windows, even though its a mac, its still windows software... |
| 23:09.56 | harriman | duh bunny like i don't know that hal.dll has something do with windows. I do know that windows was booting from before i installed ubuntu. which makes me think that its obviously an ubuntu issue. or somethign to do with grub |
| 23:10.07 | bunnyto | harriman: basically Ubuntu fucked up your Windows.. you need to reinstall windows |
| 23:10.24 | harriman | yeah so is ubuntu just going to fuck it up again |
| 23:10.27 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, or possibly didnt detect it right due to the strange system |
| 23:10.37 | harriman | should i install debian as this might work better with what i'm tyring to do |
| 23:10.58 | themill | !dual boot guide |
| 23:10.58 | dpkg | A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems. |
| 23:11.06 | bunnyto | harriman: try debian, but if you cant even install ubuntu you are screwed |
| 23:11.28 | superfirelord42 | themill, i dont know if it works that way on macs, they use a differnt way of booting if I recall... |
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| 23:11.45 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, not nessisarly... |
| 23:12.19 | themill | superfirelord42: nfc. We're not in a position to second guess some combination of windows and ubuntu. |
| 23:12.26 | bunnyto | who triple boots this days??? ever heard of VM's? HELLO!! virtualbox!!! |
| 23:12.43 | bunnyto | seamlessly mode... yohoooo |
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| 23:12.44 | hjb | i prefer qemu |
| 23:12.50 | harriman | yeah have you ever used VM. runs like shit when you are actually trying to do something that needs processing power. |
| 23:12.51 | superfirelord42 | themill, yeah, but i think the stuff on that site my mess up his mac pretty bad |
| 23:13.06 | superfirelord42 | *may |
| 23:13.18 | themill | superfirelord42: he's already talking about a combination of boot.ini and grub, so he's already gone down that path. |
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| 23:13.35 | bunnyto | harriman: well if i want real POWER ill never use inferior hardware from Apple |
| 23:14.08 | harriman | you don't have to be a hater |
| 23:14.11 | pipegeek | oh come *on* ;) |
| 23:15.01 | bunnyto | what hate? apple is just inferior |
| 23:15.05 | themill | still doesn't know what this has to do with #debian.... |
| 23:15.19 | hjb | bunnyto apple sucks |
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| 23:15.28 | themill | bunnyto: perhaps you'd like to discuss apple hardware in ##hardware or #debian-offtopic |
| 23:15.28 | superfirelord42 | agrees, stop flaming people... |
| 23:15.40 | bunnyto | correct, harriman Get lost with your Apple and Ubuntu |
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| 23:16.00 | superfirelord42 | bunnyto, my comment was directed at you... |
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| 23:16.28 | themill | bunnyto: you told us about 30min ago that you weren't even running debian any more... |
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| 23:16.42 | bunnyto | im on debian!! |
| 23:17.01 | bunnyto | cat /proc/version |
| 23:17.01 | bunnyto | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-5) |
| 23:17.52 | EmleyMoor | I am still getting effectively nowhere with samba - Windows box (adjacent) is seemingly not seeing this machine over it (but fine over other stuff) |
| 23:17.58 | dasickis | is flex well supported on Linux? |
| 23:19.12 | themill | dasickis: flex as in the lexical analyser? Should be, it grew up on unix-platforms. |
| 23:19.28 | dasickis | themill: sorry i meant adobe flex |
| 23:19.50 | dasickis | i need something that can display flash files that is stable |
| 23:19.52 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to change the ordering number of partitions? |
| 23:19.57 | dasickis | and can read/write files onto the OS |
| 23:20.11 | themill | thinks his proposal to use UUIDs instead of program names has merit |
| 23:20.13 | dasickis | i've seen gnash and swfdec but they're no good |
| 23:20.34 | themill | PiousMinion: not without having hardware failure. |
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| 23:21.43 | PiousMinion | themill: Well, I have a single partition the takes up the second half of my drive and it's listed as /dev/hda1. IS there a way I can have it listed as /dev/hda3 ? |
| 23:22.03 | PiousMinion | The windows installer changed it so I should be able to change it back. |
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| 23:22.25 | themill | If you create a new partition before it, then it should be renumbered. I think. I try to avoid such situations. |
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| 23:23.54 | PiousMinion | Well, this was an unexpected situation. Adding the new parts doesn't cause them to be reordered. |
| 23:24.00 | PiousMinion | :( |
| 23:24.25 | themill | PiousMinion: is it really a problem anyway? |
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| 23:25.19 | PiousMinion | themill: I'm sure it will be a problem when I recreate the partitions which hold my encrypted root volume and I try to boot it. lol |
| 23:25.50 | themill | PiousMinion: if you use UUIDs or labels for grub and fstab it's not an issue. |
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| 23:26.28 | PiousMinion | themill: for future reference that is great, but it doesn't help me now as I've already started this venture. :( |
| 23:26.55 | PiousMinion | So, no clues on how I can reorder them? |
| 23:27.58 | themill | not that I know of, but for recovery purposes, you can still boot with a root=/dev/hda1 by editing the grub command line and then boot into single user mode to edit fstab. |
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| 23:30.12 | PiousMinion | Not so simple with the encrypted lvm setup which is setup via an initrd. e.g. root=/dev/mapper/secvolgrp-rootvol |
| 23:30.29 | themill | yeah, I was afraid of that. |
| 23:31.27 | EmleyMoor | gives up on samba, at least for now, and tries to get the Windows box to speak NFS |
| 23:31.31 | PiousMinion | I guess deleted all partitions and recreating them couldn't hurt. lol |
| 23:31.49 | themill | EmleyMoor: oh dear... that's the road to madness |
| 23:32.56 | EmleyMoor | themill: Much better would be getting its user onto Debian |
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| 23:33.09 | themill | heh |
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| 23:36.19 | EmleyMoor | Getting the Windows box back in touch with shared stuff on this machine is the last fixable problem |
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| 23:40.08 | raekism_ | How can I add a desktop icon to the to main bar so I can easily minimize applications and see my desktop? |
| 23:40.28 | hjb | raekism_ which desktop are you using? |
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| 23:40.36 | raekism_ | KDE |
| 23:40.42 | raekism_ | sorry should have said that |
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| 23:41.03 | hjb | raekism_ with gnome i could have helped you :-) |
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| 23:41.14 | raekism_ | ah |
| 23:41.20 | esaym | I have a new hard drive, seagate 7200.11 500gb. It is capable of >100MBs read/writes I have seen it myself on other systems. However on my current computer it will only read/write at a max of 58MBs. Anyone know why?? |
| 23:41.22 | raekism_ | yea I am a KDE kind of guy |
| 23:41.56 | hjb | esaym maybe your mobo? |
| 23:42.13 | themill | raekism_: Ctrl+Shift+D or Win+D are normally the shortcuts for that. |
| 23:42.20 | esaym | :( how to tell? how to fix? Mobo is brand new |
| 23:42.44 | nxmehta | is it possible to mount two disks at the same mountpoint? i want it to appear that the two disks are merged. they use the same folder hierarchy but have different sets of files, and i can't fit all the files on one disk. |
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| 23:43.25 | JPT | nxmehta: it should be possible, BUT... |
| 23:43.31 | EmleyMoor | nxmehta: That's not easy to do - you need them to be a single filesystem |
| 23:43.35 | JPT | what if you want to write in the mountpoint ? |
| 23:43.49 | EmleyMoor | (RAID0/JBOD may help) |
| 23:43.49 | nxmehta | JPT: whoops, good point |
| 23:43.50 | themill | raekism_: for a button, right click the panel -> add applet -> Show Desktop |
| 23:43.58 | hjb | nxmehta seek for "unionfs" |
| 23:44.02 | raekism_ | themill thanks |
| 23:44.08 | hjb | nxmehta i think it's possible to do it with that |
| 23:44.12 | EmleyMoor | unionfs - yes, forgot about thart |
| 23:44.14 | EmleyMoor | that |
| 23:44.16 | themill | raekism_: no worries |
| 23:44.18 | hjb | nxmehta but It'll be a lot of tweaking |
| 23:44.18 | raekism_ | win + D worked thanks |
| 23:44.49 | nxmehta | hjb: thanks, i'll take a look at it |
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| 23:44.52 | raekism_ | show dekstop worked too! thanks! |
| 23:45.02 | themill | :) |
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| 23:45.14 | slasher | any one know where i can get a working mencoder |
| 23:45.19 | hjb | nxmehta may work, but no garantuee ;-) |
| 23:45.33 | xblarger | hi um where can i get a keygen for teh newest dbian? i need it real badz |
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| 23:46.56 | EmleyMoor | xblarger: A "keygen" for what exactly? |
| 23:47.09 | hjb | slasher whats not working bout you mencoder? |
| 23:47.10 | miniteman | Im getting a dual core processor .. if I run 64 bit linux can I run wine on top of that? or would I be better off staying with 32 bit |
| 23:48.00 | Kovensky | miniteman: yes, you can |
| 23:48.00 | EmleyMoor | miniteman: wine is available for amd64 |
| 23:48.22 | Kovensky | amd64 can run 32-bit programs just fine, even with 64-bit kernels |
| 23:48.30 | Kovensky | you just need to have the 32-bit userland too |
| 23:48.30 | xblarger | i wanna key gen so i can install debian! some dudz gave me a copy and it says i have to enter some password |
| 23:48.37 | xblarger | so i wanna keygen so i can install it |
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| 23:48.56 | EmleyMoor | ... although with many you should jail them in a chroot - wine you don't need to |
| 23:48.57 | miniteman | cool thanks .. I want to run a debian box if I can get away with it and leave windows on the shelf .. |
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| 23:49.17 | EmleyMoor | xblarger: Someone's having you on. If you get Debian properly you need no such thing |
| 23:49.20 | hjb | xblarger damn, you d00dz have given you crap, just fuck them up :-) |
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| 23:49.36 | hjb | xblarger go to debian.org and get a *clean* copy |
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| 23:49.41 | xblarger | what? how can i install dbian? and what does it do, does it like get rid of crashes or something? |
| 23:49.45 | themill | xblarger: take your warez elsewhere. Get debian yourself from debian.org |
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| 23:50.42 | xblarger | oh so i can download it myself? |
| 23:50.48 | xblarger | i wanna kill that dude okay thx |
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| 23:51.04 | EmleyMoor | xblarger: I suggest you acquire an understanding of what Linux is before you go much further |
| 23:51.17 | hjb | xblarger not htat bad idea |
| 23:51.25 | hjb | xblarger and have fun :-) |
| 23:52.10 | xblarger | waht is linux is it like some sort of free windows? |
| 23:52.37 | hjb | xblarger what is you are you some kind of brain free? |
| 23:52.42 | hjb | xblarger ;-P |
| 23:52.44 | xblarger | well i wanna know |
| 23:52.47 | themill | xblarger: go to debian.org and read about it yourself |
| 23:52.50 | xblarger | okay thx |
| 23:52.51 | xblarger | bye |
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| 23:52.54 | hjb | xblarger just take a look at it and you'll find out |
| 23:52.56 | themill | ffs |
| 23:53.10 | avu | congratulations, you have just been trolled :( |
| 23:53.39 | themill | avu: no, a troll would have stayed for longer and caused more trouble |
| 23:53.42 | hjb | seems so :-) |
| 23:53.59 | hjb | themill do you think he was serious= |
| 23:54.02 | EmleyMoor | We spotted the beard and no moustache pretty quickly, I thought |
| 23:54.04 | avu | themill, his mother probably called him to go to bed |
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| 23:54.46 | themill | heh |
| 23:56.59 | hjb | still noone who can answer my question? |
| 23:57.02 | hjb | :-( |
| 23:57.31 | EmleyMoor | hjb: What is it |
| 23:57.44 | EmleyMoor | (no luck with getting NFS onto the Windows box either!) |
| 23:57.44 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.54 | hjb | EmleyMoor Oh sorry then |
| 23:58.03 | hjb | Which version of windows are you runnin? |
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| 23:58.12 | EmleyMoor | XP Pro |
| 23:58.20 | slasher | hjb |
| 23:58.23 | avu | hjb, tried asking ##c? |
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| 23:58.35 | hjb | EmleyMoor I've searched for nfs clients by myself some time ago, but no luck :-( |
| 23:58.37 | slasher | i have mplayer installed cant find mencoder |
| 23:58.52 | Guerin | !mencoder |
| 23:58.52 | dpkg | i guess mencoder is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories and is not in Debian itself. Ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
| 23:58.54 | themill | dpkg: tell slasher about mencoder |
| 23:58.55 | hjb | EmleyMoor your better off getting samba onto your linux box ;-) |
| 23:58.57 | EmleyMoor | Tried Microsoft's own version, it won't even unpack properly |
| 23:58.59 | themill | !win Guerin |
| 23:59.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 23:59.05 | EmleyMoor | hjb: I tried that but it hosed up |
| 23:59.15 | Guerin | hooray! The only possible sane president! |
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| 23:59.54 | hjb | EmleyMoor samba on linux? |
| 23:59.56 | EmleyMoor | I will do whichever - even half-and-half if that had any hope of working <g> |
| 23:59.59 | hjb | EmleyMoor mee too :-) |
