| 00:00.25 | slasher | themill i only use debian as lab box |
| 00:00.47 | slasher | bsd is my weapon of choice |
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| 00:01.13 | hjb | avu no, thanks. I'll do now |
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| 00:01.52 | esaym | what files does update-initramfs -u mess with? I need to back them up before rebooting... :) |
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| 00:03.14 | EmleyMoor | I used to use samba to do this quite happily but it hasn't worked since this 64-bit box was built about 10 days ago |
| 00:03.39 | hjb | EmleyMoor Sorry, 've got ne experience with 64bit anyway :-( |
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| 00:06.10 | aliases123 | EmleyMoor: etch ? |
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| 00:07.46 | EmleyMoor | aliases123 |
| 00:07.50 | EmleyMoor | aliases123: lenny |
| 00:08.18 | aliases123 | oh odd. i thought lenny was meant to be fine with 64bit. |
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| 00:10.07 | H2S04 | ls |
| 00:11.08 | hjb | H2S04 bash: ls: command not found |
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| 00:12.03 | H2S04 | hjb, I don't use bash so that obviously didn't happen! |
| 00:12.11 | bbs | can i have a default etch sources.list please? |
| 00:12.11 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 00:12.18 | bbs | if someone can paste for me |
| 00:12.24 | hjb | H2S04 jsut a guess ;) |
| 00:12.25 | H2S04 | bbs, google can. |
| 00:13.31 | bbs | apt-setup will work as well right? |
| 00:13.49 | H2S04 | dpkg-reconfigure should work. |
| 00:13.56 | sandman | Say, does bitlbee allow multiple users to connect to it, and use it? |
| 00:14.03 | H2S04 | sandman, duh. |
| 00:14.04 | bbs | H2S04: reconfigure what? |
| 00:14.05 | bbs | apt |
| 00:14.23 | H2S04 | aptitude / apt |
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| 00:15.31 | Azar | bbs on the debian website you have some howto for aptitude. It will help you figure out what you need to do |
| 00:16.12 | endschranz | hi, can anyone tell me how fast nfs is on a nslu2 with armel? |
| 00:16.15 | H2S04 | Azar, stable doesn't use Aptitude yet doe it? |
| 00:16.38 | H2S04 | endschranz, depends on your network, and how much traffic you're pulling. |
| 00:16.45 | EmleyMoor | measures some pieces of string |
| 00:17.20 | Azar | H2S04: I am pointing him to a written help about aptitude whatever he will use |
| 00:17.44 | H2S04 | Azar, I understand that but my question was not in regards to him. |
| 00:17.48 | Azar | I use "aptitude update", "aptitude install" commands |
| 00:18.04 | H2S04 | Yeah but what are you running? |
| 00:18.12 | Azar | Sarge |
| 00:18.59 | Azar | starting with Sarge, the "aptitude" command was recommended over "apt-get". I stick with aptitude |
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| 00:19.10 | endschranz | H2S04: I am interested in the difference between arm and amel |
| 00:19.13 | EmleyMoor | etch is stable, lenny willl be soon - but even in sarge, aptitude was the preferred... |
| 00:20.09 | MrJK | hi |
| 00:20.13 | EmleyMoor | endschranz: As I understand it, they are similar - it's just that they work with the bytes of numbers (such as opcodes) the other way round... |
| 00:20.16 | H2S04 | EmleyMoor, well I know at one point using aptitude when you had already used apt on sarge screwed things up. |
| 00:20.17 | Azar | EmleyMoor: yeah, and it was preferred mainly at upgrading from one version to another |
| 00:20.24 | MrJK | somebody can help me to set my ethernet card? |
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| 00:20.42 | EmleyMoor | MrJK: To set it what? |
| 00:20.45 | MrJK | It doesn't want to connct to my network |
| 00:20.59 | MrJK | EmleyMoor: when I plug my cable |
| 00:21.03 | EmleyMoor | MrJK: Is it recognised? |
| 00:21.04 | H2S04 | MrJK, so your ethernet card has desires? |
| 00:21.05 | Azar | H2S04: is not about screwing things up but on major upgrades aptitude simply does a better job. apt-get for minor things is still good |
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| 00:21.30 | MrJK | I think, because, I can set 'ifconfig eth0 up' well |
| 00:21.46 | MrJK | but, it's like I did'nt plug any cable |
| 00:22.06 | H2S04 | Azar, no, I mean in the past I borked my system using Aptitude, they must have patched it. I use sid now so I use aptitude anyways. |
| 00:22.10 | EmleyMoor | MrJK: Are you getting "link" lights at both ends? |
| 00:22.11 | MrJK | I ve an realtek RTL8139 |
| 00:22.23 | EmleyMoor | (assuming the card has lights) |
| 00:22.30 | MrJK | EmleyMoor: no, It does'nt find the link |
| 00:22.33 | H2S04 | MrJK, that's an experimental driver :P |
| 00:22.46 | H2S04 | erp |
| 00:22.46 | Azar | or the ethernet card is read and recognized at bootup? |
| 00:22.50 | H2S04 | no that's 10/100 |
| 00:22.50 | EmleyMoor | MrJK: Are you sure the cable is good? |
| 00:23.03 | MrJK | EmleyMoor: yes, I'm sure |
| 00:23.04 | MrJK | but |
| 00:23.13 | MrJK | ( it works with an other cpu) |
| 00:23.23 | H2S04 | another* |
| 00:23.25 | MrJK | but, I'm behind 2 hub ( not routers) |
| 00:23.53 | MrJK | I think it's not important, but, I don't know |
| 00:24.27 | MrJK | oh, in my ifconfig, I see: Interruption:185 Base address 0XC800 |
| 00:25.37 | MrJK | No ideas ? |
| 00:25.54 | MrJK | I can't ping the cpu |
| 00:25.58 | MrJK | (too) |
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| 00:29.58 | Tetracomm | I can't find the arts development package in Synaptic. |
| 00:30.00 | Tetracomm | Help? |
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| 00:34.29 | gnufs | hello all |
| 00:34.32 | gnufs | would an apt repo have to on an ftp space or an http adress is also ok? |
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| 00:34.58 | gnufs | s/have to/have to be/ |
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| 00:35.49 | Tetracomm | I can't find the arts nor esound development packages in Debian, help? |
| 00:36.33 | adb | !sources |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:36.47 | adb | gnufs: ^^^ |
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| 00:49.53 | karsten | top question: what's 'id%' in the CPU(s) line? |
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| 00:50.42 | karsten | interprests: us: user sy: system ni: nice wa: wait hi: HW interrup si: SW interrupts st: steal. |
| 00:50.50 | karsten | I |
| 00:50.56 | moshisushi | is there a madwifi package for kernel 2.6.26-1-686? |
| 00:51.09 | karsten | 'id" *isn't* documented in TFM top(1) |
| 00:51.16 | karsten | !tell moshisushi about search |
| 00:51.22 | moshisushi | just find the 2.6.24 package |
| 00:51.44 | karsten | moshisushi: Doesn't it give you source to compile for the driver? |
| 00:51.56 | karsten | !tell moshisushi about madwifi |
| 00:52.25 | karsten | moshisushi: Yeah, that's my read: you get the madwifi driver sources. You build them. They match your installed kernel headers. |
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| 00:52.57 | karsten | moshisushi: I don't _know_ that but it's my general understanding and I _think_ I've used it in the past myself |
| 00:53.20 | moshisushi | karsten: cool |
| 00:53.37 | adb | 'id%' == idle |
| 00:54.09 | karsten | adb: Doh! |
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| 00:56.53 | karsten | should have figured that. |
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| 01:00.14 | adb | if system monitor is installed and on gnome bar , right clic on it > go preferances , and may take look at |
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| 01:02.30 | raekism_ | !samba |
| 01:02.30 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
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| 01:05.47 | Bladesman | Anyone using dyndns.com and have their own mailserver running? I don't have a screen reader capable enough to wade through all the javascript in webmail (blind), and I'm trying to run my own mailserver. |
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| 01:09.30 | mike_xcr | hi all |
| 01:09.35 | mike_xcr | admin is online? |
| 01:09.41 | mike_xcr | admin of debian group |
| 01:09.56 | simonrvn | um, what are you asking? |
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| 01:10.12 | drivamgr2008Spri | i was just about to point you here, mike_xcr - but you found it anyhow! :) |
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| 01:10.37 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: tell to #freenode stuff for take me op for 3 |
| 01:10.40 | mike_xcr | #debian-pl |
| 01:11.06 | simonrvn | what? ask in #freenode |
| 01:11.18 | drivamgr2008Spri | may i butt in please? |
| 01:11.20 | drivamgr2008Spri | :) |
| 01:11.31 | mike_xcr | founder leave channel on december 2007 |
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| 01:11.51 | mike_xcr | and i'll get op on #debian-pl (access) |
| 01:12.18 | drivamgr2008Spri | I think what mike_xcr is saying from what I understand, is that he needs access to #debian-pl, their chan founder's been gone for some time now, almost 10 months. #freenode told him to ask the debian group contact for help, simonrvn |
| 01:12.32 | moshisushi | karsten: module-assistant worked like a charm! thanks for the help |
| 01:13.07 | mike_xcr | drivamgr2008Spri: yes :) sorry i don't speak english very good ;-) |
| 01:13.13 | mike_xcr | i'll get access on chanell. |
| 01:13.25 | simonrvn | and why would the chan founders of this chan be responsible for #debian-pl, unless they were the same. this isn't an official channel, AT ALL. |
| 01:13.27 | drivamgr2008Spri | no problem mike_xcr - where are you from? |
| 01:13.44 | mike_xcr | Poland. |
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| 01:13.54 | simonrvn | #freenode made a mistake directing you here |
| 01:13.56 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: this is official channel? |
| 01:14.03 | drivamgr2008Spri | i wouldn't know, simonrvn - just that this was the first debian channel to spring to mind. |
| 01:14.20 | simonrvn | it is NOT official |
| 01:14.31 | drivamgr2008Spri | They didn't direct him here, simonrvn - he was looking for the group contact and this was the first place which came to mind for help |
| 01:14.53 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: NO. it's there admin? YES #debian-pl it's no official channel but persons sit on #debian-pl and admin MUST be. |
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| 01:15.26 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:15.34 | simonrvn | neither is this one |
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| 01:18.11 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: so... tell to freenode stuff - drop #debian-pl... |
| 01:18.29 | mike_xcr | if i didn't get access... |
| 01:19.00 | simonrvn | so ask them, explain what's going on. |
| 01:19.31 | simonrvn | you'll probably want to email them at info AT freenode DOT net |
| 01:19.40 | simonrvn | check their site |
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| 01:22.59 | gargantua | Hey anyone here use fglrx? or have an ati at least? |
| 01:23.09 | dudeman | dude |
| 01:23.09 | dudeman | for the love of fucking god |
| 01:23.09 | dudeman | NO |
| 01:23.19 | dudeman | nobody in the entire debian community uses fglrx. |
| 01:23.23 | dudeman | FUCK. |
| 01:23.31 | dudeman | enough with the retarded questions. |
| 01:23.32 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 01:23.56 | dudeman | !tell gargantua -about anyone |
| 01:24.00 | dudeman | !tell gargantua -about ask |
| 01:24.10 | dudeman | goddDAMN. |
| 01:24.28 | dudeman | is irrittated at this nonsense... |
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| 01:24.52 | gargantua | Shut the hell up. |
| 01:25.03 | gargantua | I was looking for someone with explicit knowledge of it. |
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| 01:25.17 | dudeman | That would be me. But I don't know if I want to help you now. |
| 01:25.34 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: do forwarding #debian-pl to ##debian-pl ok? |
| 01:25.34 | pipegeek | whoa |
| 01:25.37 | gargantua | lol |
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| 01:25.52 | avu | gargantua, while his attitude might suck, dudeman is right at the core. just ask your real question. |
| 01:25.55 | avu | !nyone |
| 01:25.56 | avu | !anyone |
| 01:25.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 01:26.02 | gargantua | Ok. |
| 01:26.03 | gargantua | Sorry. |
| 01:26.12 | karsten | moshisushi: NP. |
| 01:26.33 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: up to you, i haven't ever been in that channel. |
| 01:26.51 | gargantua | I have a 4850 card, just installed fglrx via the offical installer, did aticonfig --initial, the xorg conf seems set to use it, X starts normally, but doing fglrxinfo returns mesa information. |
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| 01:26.53 | adb | karsten: seen my previous msg ? |
| 01:26.55 | gargantua | Why is this happening? |
| 01:27.08 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: i create new channel NOT official (##debian-pl) i |
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| 01:27.26 | mike_xcr | and i will forward not-official #debian-pl to ##debian-pl ;] |
| 01:27.29 | gargantua | Keep in mind I've got it working before... so I think the main problem is with the xorg file, anyone want to take a look? |
| 01:28.07 | karsten | adb: WRT system monitor? No. Just looked at scrollback. |
| 01:28.07 | karsten | I don't run gnome. |
| 01:28.07 | adb | oh, ok |
| 01:28.09 | avu | gargantua, have you checked the instructions for fglrx/ati at the wiki? |
| 01:28.21 | avu | gargantua, I don't think using the ati installer is the recommended way of doing things |
| 01:28.26 | gargantua | Yeah I have |
| 01:28.36 | gargantua | avu, it is for the newer 4800 cards. |
| 01:28.40 | gargantua | Trust me I tried using the debs. |
| 01:28.47 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: well good luck with that :) |
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| 01:29.34 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: do you do forward #debian-pl to ##debian-pl? :( |
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| 01:31.47 | gargantua | Well, here's my xorg: http://pastebin.myrror.net/1949 |
| 01:32.13 | gargantua | That starts X without a fatal error, yet fglrxinfo returns Mesa information. |
| 01:32.24 | gargantua | What could be the problem here? |
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| 01:33.27 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: like i said, it's you and your channel members' decision |
| 01:34.02 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: yes, my and my channel members decision |
| 01:34.50 | gargantua | mike_xcr, just do it, the channel's not registered... |
| 01:35.11 | mike_xcr | #debian-pl was register |
| 01:35.22 | gargantua | Why do I have OP there then? |
| 01:35.39 | gargantua | oh nevermind |
| 01:35.39 | gargantua | :P |
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| 01:38.52 | k-man_ | for some reason, X fails to start for one specific user, but it starts fine if I try from another user |
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| 01:39.13 | k-man_ | where does X store lock files? could it be something to do with a lock file? |
| 01:39.47 | gargantua | you there avu? |
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| 01:40.06 | avu | gargantua, huh? |
| 01:40.19 | gargantua | Any tips on what to do next? :( |
| 01:40.50 | avu | no, I don't use those free drivers with my ati card |
| 01:40.56 | avu | non-free even |
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| 01:41.15 | gargantua | Which ones do you use avu ? |
| 01:41.58 | avu | gargantua, whatever xorg choses by default, I don't have a driver configured in my xorg.conf |
| 01:42.01 | avu | radeon I guess |
| 01:42.17 | gargantua | Oh, you dont get 3d then. |
| 01:42.34 | avu | guess not, no idea |
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| 01:45.03 | gargantua | Hmm, this is interesting. |
| 01:45.12 | gargantua | The fglrx log has this: |
| 01:45.14 | gargantua | [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme. |
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| 01:48.36 | debCarlos | hi |
| 01:48.46 | simonrvn | !fglrx |
| 01:48.46 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 01:48.53 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 01:49.20 | karsten | runs gnome-system-monitor and discovers that its the most cpu-intensive process on his box. |
| 01:49.25 | gargantua | simonrvn, the fglrx driver provided in the etch repos is too old for my card. |
| 01:49.33 | karsten | adb: ^^ ;-) |
| 01:49.35 | drivamgr2008Spri | simonrvn: can i just check, you said earlier this is an unofficial channel right? |
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| 01:50.00 | simonrvn | karsten: which is why i don't ru the thing. |
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| 01:50.11 | simonrvn | drivamgr2008Spri: yes |
| 01:50.25 | karsten | generally prefers top. |
| 01:50.28 | debCarlos | anyone knows how to see current page direction in w3m ? |
| 01:50.43 | simonrvn | run |
| 01:50.44 | drivamgr2008Spri | i just need to let you know then, that you may need to change the channel name, simonrvn - you are in breach of freenode's naming policy! :) |
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| 01:50.47 | simonrvn | same here |
| 01:50.57 | karsten | debCarlos: ?? |
| 01:51.07 | drivamgr2008Spri | i only just found out myself while trying to help someone set a channel up |
| 01:51.15 | simonrvn | drivamgr2008Spri: your point? freenode knows about it. |
| 01:51.18 | karsten | debCarlos: What do you mean by direction? LR/RL, as in, say, arabic mode? |
| 01:51.25 | debCarlos | mmmm |
| 01:51.34 | adb | karsten: yes , bun not as applet in |
| 01:51.42 | drivamgr2008Spri | my point is you should be ##debian, not #debian, simonrvn |
| 01:51.48 | debCarlos | i mean, i'm seeing a page. And i want to know its url |
| 01:52.21 | karsten | debCarlos: '=' |
| 01:52.38 | simonrvn | i know your point. honestly even if i could do something about that, i wouldn't care. please see when this channel was founded. |
| 01:52.47 | karsten | debCarlos: ... or 'U' to go to a URL, the current URL is displayed optionally. |
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| 01:53.10 | debCarlos | thanks karsten :) |
| 01:53.11 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: Take it up with freenode. We've been here a while, FUI. |
| 01:53.17 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: s/U/Y/ |
| 01:53.21 | adb | karsten: i use four: processor, mem, network, swap use |
| 01:53.31 | karsten | debCarlos: NP. Nice choice of browser BTW ;-) |
| 01:54.05 | drivamgr2008Spri | karsten: what does s/U/Y mean? I have no idea |
| 01:54.12 | simonrvn | man sed |
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| 01:54.33 | simonrvn | your syntax is in error, FYI |
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| 01:55.27 | debCarlos | karsten: oh, it's not that i *love* it, but it does somethings i need to do than firefox can't :P |
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| 01:56.01 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: regex pattern replacement. s/old/new/ substitutes 'new' for 'old' |
| 01:56.12 | drivamgr2008Spri | ah. thanks. |
| 01:56.24 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: .. and the closing '/' is generally required. |
| 01:56.28 | karsten | simonrvn: Not in vim ;-) |
| 01:56.37 | drivamgr2008Spri | I wasn't trying to annoy anyone, just a bit confused as to how you got away with it and we didn't! :) |
| 01:56.48 | simonrvn | not annoyed |
| 01:57.13 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: #debian's been on freenode for, oh, at *least* the past 8 years, if not longer. |
| 01:57.15 | simonrvn | karsten: eh, i still use it, since generally i'm doing it throughout the whole doc. anyway |
| 01:57.25 | drivamgr2008Spri | We're trying to set up a new polish channel for debian and the chan name got refused as an unofficial channel. We set up #debian-polska and it got turned down, cause there is already #debian-pl... :( |
| 01:57.27 | simonrvn | so i need the /g |
| 01:57.46 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: Well, maybe not 8 years. freenode.net was registered 13 Jul 2002. |
| 01:58.12 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah, global may also be required. What I gave worked for the instance given ;-) |
| 01:58.21 | drivamgr2008Spri | its hard since english is not my first language and i get confused sometimes. |
| 01:58.23 | adb | drivamgr2008Spri: just use ##debian-pl |
| 01:58.25 | simonrvn | #debian came along shortly after iirc |
| 01:58.32 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: s/old/new/ is shorthand by some of us on IRC. Means we don't have to rewrite the whole line. |
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| 01:58.36 | gargantua | Can anyone please help me out? |
| 01:58.46 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 01:58.46 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 01:59.04 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: Scandanavion? I'm guessing norwegian? |
| 01:59.05 | mike_xcr | adb: ok, but who know about ##debian-pl ? |
| 01:59.10 | simonrvn | do that, and install the resultant .debs |
| 01:59.28 | adb | mike_xcr: me |
| 01:59.34 | drivamgr2008Spri | karsten: icelandic |
| 01:59.36 | drivamgr2008Spri | :) |
| 01:59.36 | mike_xcr | ... |
| 01:59.38 | karsten | mike_xcr: Some channels were started after the policy change, some were changed after. |
| 01:59.45 | gargantua | What would cause this error (from the fglrx installer) "[Error] Kernel module: No kernel module build environment" |
| 01:59.45 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: Got bank? ;-) |
| 01:59.50 | drivamgr2008Spri | been in england 18 years now, i don't speak it anymore... |
| 01:59.57 | gargantua | Is there a package I'm missing? |
| 02:00.07 | drivamgr2008Spri | karsten: - I was with Icesave, but thats gone feet up now... |
| 02:00.21 | karsten | gargantua: Missing kernel headers? /msg dpkg m-i |
| 02:00.26 | karsten | gargantua: erm, m-a |
| 02:00.50 | karsten | drivamgr2008Spri: Interesting times. /join ##debina-offtopic if you want to kibbitz. |
| 02:01.08 | drivamgr2008Spri | I have 4 friends in iceland who are with Landsbanki, and thats all gone tits too. :) |
| 02:01.10 | simonrvn | debian even |
| 02:01.11 | drivamgr2008Spri | ok |
| 02:01.19 | gargantua | Ok, karsten, let me give that a try, thans. |
| 02:01.22 | gargantua | thanks* |
| 02:02.06 | adb | gargantua !fglrx |
| 02:02.36 | gargantua | adb: I can't use the offical fglrx drivers due to them outdating myc ard. |
| 02:02.41 | gargantua | my card* |
| 02:02.49 | gargantua | I have to get it from the offical installer. |
| 02:02.55 | gargantua | Which is what's causing all of this. |
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| 02:03.37 | adb | buy a new ones, than ... |
| 02:03.58 | gargantua | new what? |
| 02:04.05 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.06 | gargantua | The DRIVERS are too old for MY card :P |
| 02:04.07 | mike_xcr | drivamgr2008Spri: thanks for all :) |
| 02:04.29 | drivamgr2008Spri | no problem, mike_xcr - happy to help |
| 02:04.36 | adb | gargantua: uname -r |
| 02:04.37 | drivamgr2008Spri | (when possible) |
| 02:04.38 | mike_xcr | :-) |
| 02:04.46 | simonrvn | ffs, backport sid's and be happy |
| 02:05.16 | SJr|Nbook | Hey HEy Hey Sexies |
| 02:05.20 | adb | simonrvn: ffs ? |
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| 02:05.39 | simonrvn | !ffs |
| 02:05.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 02:06.06 | adb | good to know .thx |
| 02:06.13 | gargantua | karsten: I am eternally grateful to you my friend! |
| 02:06.16 | gargantua | It finally works. |
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| 02:06.20 | mike_xcr | ok, bya all, goodnight (4:06 a.m:) :_) |
| 02:06.41 | adb | mike_xcr: here too |
| 02:06.52 | adb | gin dobre |
| 02:06.54 | gargantua | Thank you too, adb, and anyone else who helpedd. |
| 02:07.03 | mike_xcr | adb: ? ;> |
| 02:07.04 | adb | welcome |
| 02:07.06 | karsten | gargantua: NP. |
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| 02:07.19 | karsten | gargantua: I'm king of the lucky (but informed) guess. |
| 02:07.23 | debCarlos | oh another doubt about w3m |
| 02:07.27 | debCarlos | how can i go back there ? |
| 02:07.28 | gargantua | haha |
| 02:07.48 | mike_xcr | dzien dobry - on polish (good day) welcome - witaj ;-) |
| 02:07.54 | mike_xcr | good night all. |
| 02:07.59 | gargantua | Btw, "stable" == "etch", right? |
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| 02:08.20 | debCarlos | yes |
| 02:08.25 | gargantua | Thanks. |
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| 02:08.57 | karsten | debCarlos: 'b' |
| 02:09.30 | karsten | debCarlos: 'H' gives you a help screen. 'o' gives you options. |
| 02:09.40 | debCarlos | oh, thanks karsten |
| 02:09.52 | karsten | debCarlos: There's also now a sort of tabbed windows support which I don't fully understand yet. |
| 02:10.49 | karsten | debCarlos: The configuration's saved to ~/.w3m/config |
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| 02:11.14 | debCarlos | karsten: oh, i just needed it a while, normally i use firefox :) |
| 02:11.26 | karsten | debCarlos: ...and I find that changing the default highlight colors helps a lot for readability, then again I use a gold-on-black terminal color. |
| 02:12.00 | karsten | debCarlos: I *usually* use Konq or Firefox/Iceweasel. w3m *rocks* though for quick grabs, running in a terminal, dumping HTML to text, or when all you've got is console (or you're ssh'd remotely to a system w/o ). |
| 02:12.15 | debCarlos | yes |
| 02:12.31 | debCarlos | exactly :) |
| 02:13.32 | screamingbytes | debCarlos: I found Twin useful, but Deb dumped it |
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| 02:15.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: Is that a browser or the console desktop environment? |
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| 02:16.32 | karsten | screamingbytes: 'twin' the Text mode WINdow environment, is still available. |
| 02:16.46 | screamingbytes | karsten: Twin is a window manager based on ncurses, great across networks |
| 02:16.47 | karsten | screamingbytes: I think I've had problems running it hte last few times I tried. |
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| 02:16.54 | bunnyto | reinstallation done |
| 02:17.16 | screamingbytes | karsten: its not available in etch or lenny |
| 02:17.39 | screamingbytes | karsten: it was last available in sarge, and dropped according to package notes |
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| 02:20.07 | screamingbytes | karsten: and yes it was buggy, but after configured it worked fine, the last version I didn't note any buggy behaviour |
| 02:22.07 | karsten | screamingbytes: I've got stable and testing sources. I see twin avialble., 0.4.0-7 |
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| 02:22.27 | karsten | screamingbytes: Ah: "No current or candidate version found for twin |
| 02:22.29 | karsten | " |
| 02:23.05 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 02:23.37 | adb | wm2 - small, unconfigurable window manager |
| 02:23.47 | screamingbytes | :) |
| 02:24.05 | screamingbytes | im still kickin xfce |
| 02:24.24 | screamingbytes | ill worry about a twin backport later. xfce is pissin me off |
| 02:24.42 | karsten | screamingbytes: windowmaker all the way. |
| 02:24.54 | screamingbytes | :) im using bb |
| 02:25.27 | karsten | screamingbytes: i don't mind xfce4, it's almost usable. It and KDE are where I generally go to.... |
| 02:25.38 | screamingbytes | xfce is for my son, and i use gnome sometimes for dev |
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| 02:26.31 | karsten | Yeah, I see XFCE4 as among the better noob desktops. |
| 02:27.14 | adb | lxde is nice |
| 02:27.22 | karsten | What wins for WMaker: a pinnable window list, pinnable/detachable menus for other stuff, hotkey configuration for actions (eg: maximize window vertically) and apps (eg: terminal, sudo terminal, mutt, w3m). |
| 02:28.03 | karsten | I want terms readily available, I want to be able to max them vertically, and I want both w/o touching the mouse. I also want to be able to walk through my open windows, on all desktops, w/o losing my place. |
| 02:28.16 | karsten | KDE offers nearly all that except for the pinnable window list. |
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| 02:36.50 | Neo_The_User | When I try to install gnome (I selected desktop in the expert install non-GUI installer) from the terminal after installing debian, it always says "E: gnome has no installation candidate." |
| 02:37.16 | Neo_The_User | My sources.list file are just the debian.security or whatever and the first CD |
| 02:37.43 | infinity2 | Neo_The_User: you're missing some stuff |
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| 02:37.52 | dudeman | is it |
| 02:37.54 | Neo_The_User | yep. sure am. |
| 02:38.09 | Neo_The_User | no doubt about that ;) |
| 02:38.15 | dudeman | karsten, box wms have that too |
| 02:38.22 | karsten | Neo_The_User: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; aptitude install gnome |
| 02:38.34 | Neo_The_User | thats it? that fixes it? |
| 02:38.37 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ... assumes you've got your apt sources.list set up properly. |
| 02:38.39 | karsten | dudeman: ?? |
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| 02:38.50 | dudeman | karsten, what the matter with you? |
| 02:38.53 | karsten | dudeman: Oh, gotit. |
| 02:38.56 | dudeman | :) |
| 02:39.06 | karsten | dudeman: slow parsing. |
| 02:39.10 | dudeman | hehehe |
| 02:39.11 | karsten | dudeman: ... and multitasking. |
| 02:39.12 | dudeman | parsing |
| 02:39.13 | dudeman | lol |
| 02:39.18 | Neo_The_User | i'm confused |
| 02:39.27 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Get used to it ;-) |
| 02:39.39 | Neo_The_User | is nobody in here "allowed" to help me because somebody told everybody not to? |
| 02:39.47 | dudeman | what? |
| 02:39.49 | karsten | Neo_The_User: The first comment I made to you is a sequence of three commands to run. |
| 02:40.00 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Not AFAIK WRT helping you. |
| 02:40.07 | dudeman | !sources.list |
| 02:40.07 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:40.14 | dudeman | !mirrors |
| 02:40.14 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 02:40.17 | dudeman | !apt-spy |
| 02:40.17 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been ... |
| 02:40.18 | Neo_The_User | why did dudeman say whats the problem with you? |
| 02:40.28 | dudeman | Neo_The_User, cuz hes my friend and I'm messin with him |
| 02:40.31 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Try the three commands I gave you first (aptitude update...), if that doesn't work, report the errors. |
| 02:40.36 | Neo_The_User | m'kay |
| 02:40.40 | dudeman | and cuz I can... |
| 02:40.41 | Neo_The_User | thanks. |
| 02:41.04 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Discussion from before you joined. Different topic. |
| 02:41.13 | Neo_The_User | ohh |
| 02:41.17 | karsten | Neo_The_User: We were talking about window managers and their capabilities. |
| 02:41.22 | dudeman | about window managers |
| 02:41.23 | dudeman | :) |
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| 02:41.54 | Neo_The_User | i thought everybody in this channel turned on me |
| 02:42.02 | dudeman | what? lol |
| 02:42.03 | dudeman | why? |
| 02:42.10 | dudeman | what gave you that idea? |
| 02:42.36 | Neo_The_User | 1 troll sits in this channel. forgot his screen name. |
| 02:42.46 | dudeman | there are many |
| 02:43.00 | dudeman | you should however look into apt-spy |
| 02:43.15 | karsten | Neo_The_User: You're not paranoid. |
| 02:43.21 | Neo_The_User | ok. yeah the first 5 minutes i joined the channel a few hours ago, i noticed 2 at the drop of a hat |
| 02:43.22 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ... we *are* out to get you. |
| 02:43.27 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 02:43.34 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ... you just don't realize how yet. |
| 02:43.47 | dudeman | lol |
| 02:44.08 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ... anyhow, I think there's folks in here that will vouch for me ... |
| 02:44.14 | dudeman | well |
| 02:44.17 | Neo_The_User | vouch? |
| 02:44.19 | karsten | ... and if there aren't, I've got some heads to bust. |
| 02:44.33 | dudeman | we'll vouch that karsten needs psychiatric help ;) |
| 02:44.41 | karsten | dudeman: Thank you kindly sir. |
| 02:44.47 | dudeman | anytime brother |
| 02:44.48 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 02:44.49 | dudeman | anytime |
| 02:45.35 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Now, how's that install going? |
| 02:45.50 | Neo_The_User | im going to do it tomorrow |
| 02:45.54 | Neo_The_User | i just installed mandriva |
| 02:46.15 | Neo_The_User | i got fed up with ubuntu which is why im really trying to get debian working |
| 02:46.26 | Neo_The_User | i mean i got REALLY fed up with ubuntu. |
| 02:46.36 | karsten | OK. |
| 02:46.40 | karsten | !comfort Neo_The_User |
| 02:46.40 | dpkg | There, there, Neo_The_User. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:46.44 | dudeman | once I tried debian |
| 02:46.50 | Neo_The_User | dpkg, you type very fast |
| 02:46.50 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 02:46.51 | dudeman | I just couldn't get used to anything else |
| 02:46.54 | karsten | dudeman: Smoke or injected? |
| 02:47.03 | karsten | Neo_The_User: dpkg is a bot. |
| 02:47.08 | dudeman | karsten, o_O |
| 02:47.13 | Neo_The_User | oh |
| 02:47.19 | Neo_The_User | sorry for bot abuse. |
| 02:47.28 | Neo_The_User | wasn't aware |
| 02:47.34 | gargantua | Hey guys where might I be able to get PyGtk 2.10.0 for etch? |
| 02:47.35 | karsten | Neo_The_User: NP, don't worry. |
| 02:47.42 | karsten | !tell gargantua about search |
| 02:47.59 | Neo_The_User | !comfort karsten |
| 02:47.59 | dpkg | There, there, karsten. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:48.07 | Neo_The_User | lol |
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| 02:48.16 | gargantua | karsten, latest one from the repos is 2.8.6-8. |
| 02:48.33 | karsten | gargantua: In which case, that's your answer. |
| 02:48.53 | craigevil | try backports.org or backport it from sid |
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| 02:49.02 | gargantua | Yeah, but I want PyGtk 2.10.0 or newer :P |
| 02:49.11 | gargantua | craigevil, can you tell me how to do the later? |
| 02:49.13 | karsten | gargantua: .. you don't. If you need it, you _may_ find it in experimental, but you may have to give your left nut, or backports, or upstream sources |
| 02:49.26 | craigevil | !ssb |
| 02:49.27 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 02:49.29 | karsten | gargantua: In lenny: ii python-gtk2 2.12.1-6 Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set |
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| 02:49.52 | gargantua | Yeah that seems good. |
| 02:50.02 | gargantua | So you're telling me this is messy business? :( |
| 02:50.08 | karsten | gargantua: if you want stable, run stable. If you want new stuff, and you're willing to accept unstable/testing, run that. |
| 02:50.19 | karsten | gargantua: ... otherwise, backports is usually a pretty decent solution. |
| 02:50.28 | gargantua | ok |
| 02:50.37 | karsten | gargantua: Stability and currency is sort of an inherently contnradictory state. |
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| 02:51.15 | micols | /dev/dri/card0 gets created with non-666 permission, even though i have Mode 0666 and Group 0 in xorg dri section, what can be wrong? |
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| 02:51.30 | micols | if i chmod 666 the file i can use acceleration |
| 02:51.34 | micols | but i want Xorg to do that for me |
| 02:51.52 | micols | currently the file has crw-r----- 1 root root 226, 0 2008-10-12 04:45 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 02:52.00 | micols | which seems very wrong |
| 02:52.12 | micols | it should be writeable by other than root for acceleration |
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| 02:53.37 | micols | oh well it seems to be in /dev/.static/dev/dri/ instead of /dev/dri now.. |
| 02:53.50 | Neo_The_User | so aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; aptitude install gnome will install gnome and gdm and everything for me? |
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| 02:54.50 | micols | i just wonder how to make xorg read that file instead |
| 02:54.55 | karsten | micols: What's the group permission/wonershp for that file? |
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| 02:55.00 | karsten | Neo_The_User: That's the idea |
| 02:55.24 | micols | karsten: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2008-07-06 03:54 card0 |
| 02:55.30 | micols | in that .static/dri dir |
| 02:55.33 | karsten | micols: And I see prems as 226 (which is odd), root / video owner/group |
| 02:55.36 | micols | but the one xorg uses is in /dev/dri/card0 |
| 02:55.43 | micols | and is root:root and 600 |
| 02:55.48 | Neo_The_User | howcome when I selected Desktop and PC in the expert manual non-GUI install, it didn't install those packages for me? |
| 02:56.01 | karsten | micols: I'd think that's set up by udev. not sure what's going on. |
| 02:56.04 | micols | i need to make xorg use the new udev one, or make udev use non .static dir creation of the one |
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| 02:56.18 | micols | KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", NAME="dri/%k" |
| 02:56.24 | micols | it says in devfs.rules |
| 02:56.38 | micols | i need it created in /dev/dri/ instead of /dev/.static/dri |
| 02:57.01 | Cholito | then create a symlink |
| 02:57.02 | Ian_Daniher | how can I prevent rsync from syncing an entire directory? |
| 02:57.05 | Neo_The_User | if i launch aptitude dist-upgrade will that fix my sources.list file? |
| 02:57.09 | micols | not possible Cholito |
| 02:57.13 | Neo_The_User | i got like.... nothing in there |
| 02:57.15 | Cholito | ouhhh |
| 02:57.17 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Not sure. You can check /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude for what happened on installation. |
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| 02:57.23 | micols | then i might as well just chmod 666 my original file, much easier.. |
| 02:57.25 | Ian_Daniher | I have a ~/MEDIA/ directory which contains a crapload of large files that I *don't* want backed up |
| 02:57.28 | micols | but ugly hack, i want to solve the root of this problem |
| 02:57.32 | karsten | Neo_The_User: In general, I recommend a minimal install initially anyway. You can install what you need on the system later. |
| 02:57.41 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: RTFM |
| 02:57.50 | Cholito | indeed |
| 02:57.53 | Ian_Daniher | karsten: I did and wouldn't be asking if I didn't |
| 02:57.58 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: There's an exclude directive. Use it. |
| 02:58.04 | Ian_Daniher | karsten: I don't undersand the --exclude format |
| 02:58.08 | micols | it seems both /dev/dri/card0 and /dev/.static/dri/card0 gets created when modprobing fglrx after udevd running |
| 02:58.13 | Ian_Daniher | it's unspecific and looks like regexp |
| 02:58.16 | micols | but only last one gets correct permissions |
| 02:58.24 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: Use the test/no-act mode until you do. |
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| 02:58.26 | Ian_Daniher | how do I regex a whole directory, not just a specific type of file? |
| 02:58.36 | Neo_The_User | karsten, do you use debian? |
| 02:58.44 | Neo_The_User | btw, im using the testing release |
| 02:58.50 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: ./<directory/*' would be my first guess. |
| 02:58.52 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Yes. |
| 02:58.56 | Neo_The_User | thats the one i have burned |
| 02:59.04 | karsten | micols: udev hurts my head. |
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| 02:59.40 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: GIYF: http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync+example+exclude+directory&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&num=100 |
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| 03:00.21 | jetscreamer | hey... jack doesn't 'see' my line in or mic in |
| 03:00.26 | karsten | Ian_Daniher: Try w/o the star then, or quote it. |
| 03:00.27 | Neo_The_User | karsten, are you using irssi (command line) or the GUI? |
| 03:00.44 | karsten | Neo_The_User: irssi, on a remote host, ssh/screen. |
| 03:00.45 | jetscreamer | irssi has a gui? |
| 03:00.51 | jetscreamer | eww |
| 03:00.55 | karsten | jetscreamer: yeah, ncurses ;-) |
| 03:01.00 | ajehals | Hi, does anyone know of any current issues with fsck in lenny (on sparc)? I am running it manually on a 250G partition and it starts fine and just sits there, no output anywhere including to any logfiles. I am feeling abit stuck... |
| 03:01.06 | Neo_The_User | karsten, do you recommend me burning all the CDs? like all 16 of them as well? |
| 03:01.09 | karsten | !tell ajehals about bts |
| 03:01.15 | karsten | Neo_The_User: No. Netinstall. |
| 03:01.24 | karsten | !tell Neo_The_User about netinst |
| 03:01.35 | karsten | Neo_The_User: I actually usually do a chroot install. |
| 03:01.43 | jetscreamer | ajehals: is it showing any disk activity, the light? |
| 03:01.47 | karsten | Neo_The_User: .... and you'll find I wrote the install manual section on that. |
| 03:01.53 | beardy | jetscreamer: It had, never used it, but there was a GTK one IIRC. Dropped. |
| 03:01.55 | Neo_The_User | ok what do the professional debian users do? |
| 03:02.04 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ^^ ;-) |
| 03:02.08 | Ian_Daniher | there we go |
| 03:02.12 | Neo_The_User | like high end power-users. netinstall? |
| 03:02.18 | ajehals | jetscreamer - there is no activity light, but listening to the drive it seems to be quiet. (FWIW the partition mounts fine) |
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| 03:02.32 | karsten | Neo_The_User: In a datacenter I'd do a PXE boot and preseed. |
| 03:02.43 | karsten | Neo_The_User: .. w/ FAI. |
| 03:04.06 | *** part/#debian igogo (n=igogo@218-162-203-102.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 03:05.05 | karsten | knows what he *wouldn't* use. |
| 03:05.16 | karsten | refuses to mention OpsWare by name. |
| 03:05.22 | karsten | ... not even as OopsWare. |
| 03:05.43 | Neo_The_User | so netinstall. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso right? |
| 03:05.58 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Should work. |
| 03:06.08 | Neo_The_User | will that give me a GUI? |
| 03:06.13 | jetscreamer | ajehals: maybe see if it's doing anything (top or some other monitoring thing) |
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| 03:06.56 | karsten | Neo_The_User: If you install it, yes. |
| 03:07.21 | ajehals | jetscreamer fsck is running, it just doesn't get past Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes |
| 03:07.23 | Neo_The_User | why should i use netinstall over a full CD? |
| 03:07.33 | ajehals | jetscreamer - well not in the 26 hours I let it run... |
| 03:07.50 | jetscreamer | ajehals: then you're right, something is wrong :/ |
| 03:08.00 | wols_ | kasmra: has this neo guy finally given the channel the error message he got when installing gnome and the content of his sources.list? |
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| 03:08.18 | Neo_The_User | i think his name was wols_ |
| 03:08.20 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Full CD install means you're getting *all* the contents for some 25,000 packages or so currently available for Debian. |
| 03:08.39 | ajehals | jetscreamer - ta. I kinda hoped someone might have had it too (no bugs in the bugtrack) - I guess I replace the drive and see if I can reproduce it on another one... |
| 03:08.49 | beardy | Without security updates, which you will download anyway. |
| 03:08.50 | karsten | Neo_The_User: netinst downloads a minimal image (about 150 MB) necessary to bootstrap the installation, and just the packages you choose to install for yourself. |
| 03:08.55 | beardy | Just use the netinstall and get on with it. |
| 03:09.13 | wols_ | beardy: he already has CD1 and had it installed before |
| 03:09.14 | Neo_The_User | ok but my network don't support DHCP so i'd have to configure my system though. |
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| 03:09.18 | karsten | Neo_The_User: My own (usually pretty complete) installations generally run 2500-3000 packages |
| 03:09.25 | karsten | counts 2586 righ now. |
| 03:09.32 | beardy | wols_: Then I don't know what the problem is. |
| 03:09.32 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Yes, you do then ;-) |
| 03:09.41 | Neo_The_User | can i adjust the settings in the net install? |
| 03:09.42 | wols_ | beardy: you have to ask? |
| 03:09.59 | beardy | wols_: No, I have the image quite clear. |
| 03:10.01 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Usually: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.<something> netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
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| 03:10.22 | karsten | Neo_The_User: ... or whatever works for your local LAN. Yes, you can manually configure the network params. |
| 03:10.38 | Neo_The_User | karsten what app so I use to configure my PC network settings? |
| 03:10.43 | Neo_The_User | *do |
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| 03:11.05 | Neo_The_User | wols_ was the guy bugging me earlier. I'll go chot his name down |
| 03:11.37 | beardy | Not very wise, or nice. |
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| 03:11.54 | karsten | Neo_The_User: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:11.55 | wols_ | beardy: what does "chot" mean? |
| 03:11.59 | Neo_The_User | write down |
| 03:12.03 | Neo_The_User | so i don't forget |
| 03:12.03 | beardy | wols_: Not sure. |
| 03:12.23 | karsten | Neo_The_User: wols is generally pretty helpful. Any of us can get testy. |
| 03:12.30 | Neo_The_User | ahhh |
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| 03:12.40 | wols_ | kasmra: especially when you get ctcp pinged repeatedly |
| 03:12.47 | wols_ | karsten:^^ |
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| 03:13.04 | Neo_The_User | i never pinged you |
| 03:13.07 | jetscreamer | wols is a troll :) |
| 03:13.21 | beardy | ... |
| 03:13.25 | Neo_The_User | and who was the guy who said "stop fingering me?" |
| 03:13.38 | Neo_The_User | i think i missunderstood who said that |
| 03:13.45 | karsten | wols_: Point. |
| 03:13.52 | jetscreamer | Neo_The_User: /lastlog whatever |
| 03:13.57 | karsten | wols_: hasn't happened to me yet. |
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| 03:14.43 | Neo_The_User | ok lets get back on topic instead of going back at people. i launch $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces and edit the file? |
| 03:14.56 | wols_ | good luck. as I said before, he has a CD1 installed. when asked questions about it he doesn't answer or leave. come back and ask again. imho I think he trolls you with his inane questionss which are !ig material |
| 03:15.05 | Neo_The_User | i know what all my stuff should be. IP Address default router i memorized it. my DNS servers as well |
| 03:15.32 | ajehals | I am right in thinking that using fsck.ext2 on an ext3 partition wont do any damange aren't I? |
| 03:15.53 | Neo_The_User | wols_ i didn't mean to leave. my window kept closing |
| 03:15.59 | wols_ | ajehals: it can fsck up your journal which is bad |
| 03:16.22 | beardy | !tell Neo_The_User -about grounding |
| 03:16.28 | wols_ | ajehals: if you convert it to ext2 before fsck with e2fstune or whatever it's fine |
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| 03:16.42 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Yeah. |
| 03:16.42 | ajehals | wols_ - it shouldn't matter either way should it? |
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| 03:17.07 | karsten | Neo_The_User: Debian tends to use config files. GNOME/KDE may give you wizards. I'm sorta old-school. |
| 03:17.15 | karsten | NTU: ^^ |
| 03:17.19 | NTU | kk |
| 03:17.23 | NTU | its shorter |
| 03:17.26 | wols_ | karsten: the installer has a wizard |
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| 03:17.41 | karsten | wols_: I know. Post-install, though... |
| 03:18.22 | NTU | karsten, i might keep my CD 1 disk and then just launch those commands. im not too technical with such things although i appreciate it |
| 03:18.41 | NTU | the word "might" |
| 03:18.50 | NTU | i'll sleep on it |
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| 03:18.57 | karsten | NTU: I think you can effectivley do a netinst from the 1st CD. You manage to install a minimal ssytem, then get the rest off the Net. CD1 is a superset of netinst. |
| 03:19.03 | karsten | NTU: ... more or less. |
| 03:19.21 | NTU | oh ok |
| 03:19.53 | NTU | is the netinstall for debian as difficult as installing gentoo from a minimal CD? |
| 03:20.03 | screamingbytes | me and u both karsten |
| 03:20.44 | NTU | because i cant even install gentoo |
| 03:20.49 | karsten | NTU: Dunno, never done gentoo. I think it's somewhat less complicated. |
| 03:20.54 | NTU | ok |
| 03:21.07 | screamingbytes | gentoo is a pain in the arse |
| 03:21.11 | NTU | lol |
| 03:21.15 | karsten | screamingbytes: ?? |
| 03:21.28 | screamingbytes | karsten: terminal freaks |
| 03:21.35 | NTU | lol |
| 03:21.35 | karsten | looks through his quotefile. What's that line again.... |
| 03:21.38 | screamingbytes | karsten: old-school |
| 03:21.43 | beardy | NTU: If you have hardware supported by the versions of the software the installer uses, mainly Network Interface Card, it is not hard. |
| 03:21.46 | karsten | "Gentoo is one step on the road from Debian to Debian" |
| 03:21.50 | karsten | screamingbytes: dig. |
| 03:22.00 | dryrot | Please note that because running Gobuntu on most laptops and many desktops will be difficult, Gobuntu is intended for experienced Linux enthusiasts at this time. |
| 03:22.12 | NTU | dryrot, are you a bot? |
| 03:22.16 | karsten | screamingbytes: I've been using Unix for over 20 years now, Linux for over 11. |
| 03:22.54 | NTU | Linux has only been around for 10 |
| 03:23.01 | wols_ | dryrot: your point is? |
| 03:23.14 | NTU | dryrot: are you a bot??? i can't tell |
| 03:23.15 | karsten | NTU: 17 |
| 03:23.18 | screamingbytes | karsten: i started using unix/linux with BSD can't rem the version 2.0 i think |
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| 03:23.41 | beardy | Shall we bring out the ruler? |
| 03:23.47 | NTU | lol |
| 03:23.55 | pgpkeys | Uhh sorry but linux has been around for more than 11 years |
| 03:23.56 | screamingbytes | my first version of linux was RH 3.0, 2nd was RH Mandrake 1.0 i think |
| 03:24.01 | screamingbytes | that was ugly |
| 03:24.11 | NTU | well the linux kernel has only been around for 10 years |
| 03:24.13 | wols_ | screamingbytes: can you tell it to #-ot? |
| 03:24.19 | pgpkeys | NTU - wrong |
| 03:24.21 | NTU | so i guess Linus was a bit behind |
| 03:24.29 | enouf | ... |
| 03:24.29 | wols_ | NTU: do you have a debian question? |
| 03:24.32 | abrotman | NTU: a bit more than 10 years |
| 03:24.44 | beardy | NTU: That is incorrect. Why you failed to read the information given you above, I don't understand. |
| 03:24.46 | NTU | The Linux Kernel archives were announced to the world on March 13, 1997. |
| 03:24.49 | screamingbytes | wols_: sry |
| 03:24.49 | karsten | NUT: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/2194d253268b0a1b |
| 03:24.52 | pgpkeys | I was using kernel 1.0.8 in 1991 so how could it have been aroudn for only 10 years |
| 03:24.57 | beardy | Ok, get rid of him. |
| 03:24.59 | karsten | NTU ^^ |
| 03:24.59 | ajehals | went Solaris 2.5 > Corel Linux > Debian |
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| 03:25.15 | karsten | *swears* it was an innocent error. |
| 03:25.17 | enouf | pgpkeys: maybe he's using bad math? :-P |
| 03:25.23 | NTU | kernel.org begs to differ |
| 03:25.28 | pgpkeys | enouf - WAY bad math |
| 03:25.29 | NTU | thats all im saying |
| 03:25.34 | pgpkeys | NTU - yea right |
| 03:25.34 | karsten | wols_: He's been trying to get a GNOME desktop installed. |
| 03:25.35 | wols_ | enouf: according to trollmath, he's doing great |
| 03:25.40 | enouf | haha |
| 03:25.52 | NTU | oh jeeze. why are debian guys so rude? |
| 03:25.53 | wols_ | karsten: since 5 hours. he's been here before |
| 03:25.54 | karsten | NTU: The kernel archives were created well after Linux was released. |
| 03:26.02 | pgpkeys | the first distribution of linux was MCC, the second was SLS, the next was Slackware then Debian then Redhat |
| 03:26.06 | wols_ | folks, can you please go back to topic? |
| 03:26.10 | jester45 | the key word is archive |
| 03:26.12 | enouf | votes for a nice kick |
| 03:26.13 | karsten | wols_: I'm starting to get the picture. |
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| 03:26.27 | abrotman | didn't even have to kick |
| 03:26.29 | screamingbytes | back on topic: xfce still won't let me login :) |
| 03:26.31 | wols_ | he leaves. and in 5 min or so he comes back |
| 03:26.32 | bunnyto | hi |
| 03:26.32 | pgpkeys | I was using the kernel when it was 1.0.8 and that was back in September of 1991 so you have your facts wrong |
| 03:26.41 | wols_ | pgpkeys: stop! |
| 03:26.42 | karsten | NTU: you're starting to wear out your welcome. I'd suggest you focus on your problem or move on. |
| 03:26.54 | jester45 | NTU is gone |
| 03:26.56 | pgpkeys | wols_ - ok |
| 03:26.59 | karsten | screamingbytes: What happens? |
| 03:27.14 | bunnyto | kernel 1.0.8? |
| 03:27.19 | ajehals | jetscreamer - using fsck.ext2 seems to have solved the problem I was having (and found some Illegal block's) all fixes now and working. |
| 03:27.20 | screamingbytes | err mst bout X already being logged in |
| 03:27.23 | wols_ | screamingbytes: checked your xsession-errors? tried to run startx from console and not use xdm? |
| 03:27.28 | bunnyto | you are a Dinosaur |
| 03:27.36 | screamingbytes | wols_ yes |
| 03:27.46 | wols_ | screamingbytes: all the same result? |
| 03:28.28 | screamingbytes | wols_ w/o xdm or gdm i still have to manually delete .X0-lock |
| 03:28.35 | karsten | screamingbytes: Um, are you running another X server? |
| 03:28.43 | screamingbytes | karsten no |
| 03:29.05 | ajehals | And there I was thinking fsck.ext2 and fsck.ext3 were just calls to the same tools with slightly different options. |
| 03:29.07 | ajehals | thanks all. |
| 03:29.13 | enouf | ok folks - here's a thought - how about you help me figure out why these builds fail http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484838#12 (if you really need something to do - if not, it's ok) i was trying to help someone named 'shze' and thuoght i'd try and build it myself |
| 03:29.17 | karsten | screamingbytes: startx $( startxfce4 ) -- :1 |
| 03:29.18 | screamingbytes | karsten: the .X0-lock is placed there by the gdm/xdm, KDE, Gnome, bb, etc... don't care |
| 03:29.22 | karsten | screamingbytes: Hrm. |
| 03:29.35 | karsten | screamingbytes: Um, no, X *does* care. |
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| 03:29.38 | screamingbytes | xfce does for some reason |
| 03:30.06 | karsten | screamingbytes: If you've got a lockfile or socket file in /tmp (which is where it should be unless you've fucked with stuff) it's going to cause problems. |
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| 03:30.17 | jetscreamer | hey... jack sound server doesn't 'see' my line in or mic in |
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| 03:30.25 | karsten | screamingbytes: Make sure there's no running X session, clear the lcocks and sockets. Try again. Or use a different display (as I showed you how to do). |
| 03:30.51 | screamingbytes | karsten: im saying its there already, when i log in to KDE, Gnome, bb, or xfce4, the only wm that cares or pukes is xfce4 |
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| 03:31.32 | enouf | ajehals: er, they are |
| 03:31.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: is *any* X dm running? |
| 03:31.50 | enouf | ajehals: i know you're gone, but might as well set you straight :-P |
| 03:31.52 | screamingbytes | karsten: if i log in with safe mode, i can delete the .X0-lock file and xfce4 logs in |
| 03:32.13 | screamingbytes | using startxfce4 |
| 03:32.14 | karsten | screamingbytes: Answer the question. |
| 03:32.21 | screamingbytes | right now, yes |
| 03:32.22 | enouf | ajehals: do ls -il /sbin/fsck.ext3 and ls -il /sbin/fsck.ext3 - same inode, same size ;-) |
| 03:32.48 | enouf | erm .. one of those is /sbin/fsck.ext*2* |
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| 03:33.26 | pgpkeys | enouf - what happens if you su straight to root using su - then cd to the linux source and try using the old style build of make mrproper && make dep&& make kernel && make modules |
| 03:33.42 | pgpkeys | just interested in the output of that |
| 03:33.44 | enouf | ajehals: or better -> $ find /sbin -samefile /sbin/fsck.ext3 |
| 03:33.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: startxfce4 is a shell script. Might want to upll it apart to see what it's doing and/or why. |
| 03:34.00 | pgpkeys | you've correctly applied your config i take it even using make oldconfig right? |
| 03:34.15 | screamingbytes | karsten: i can paste the error to pastebin |
| 03:34.16 | karsten | screamingbytes: Otherwise: your /var/log/xorg.*.log should show errors. Or redirect sterr to a file and parse that. |
| 03:34.47 | enouf | pgpkeys: that bug report isn't from me, but the errors i got are the same as he shows when running as a regular user |
| 03:35.01 | enouf | pgpkeys: i'm using 2.6.26-1-686 as well |
| 03:35.11 | ajehals | enouf - well I've learned something today.. |
| 03:35.21 | enouf | pgpkeys: i have to try your methods then .. hrm |
| 03:35.24 | pgpkeys | ok gimme a sec to review the page again |
| 03:35.26 | ajehals | two things actually, I dont trust that drive.. |
| 03:35.28 | pgpkeys | ok |
| 03:35.33 | enouf | ajehals: ;-) |
| 03:35.37 | pgpkeys | try that while i look at this |
| 03:35.45 | enouf | sure |
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| 03:35.58 | screamingbytes | brb |
| 03:36.29 | pgpkeys | well for one, /bin/sh: 2.6.26-1-686: command not found |
| 03:37.31 | pgpkeys | thats the shell tryinto pass the variable as a command rather than a variable for some reason (probably not escaped correctly or the line that passes the variable is passing it as a command rather than a variable for the env) |
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| 03:39.30 | pgpkeys | I'm betting that as a result /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory is caused because the variable that is supposed to be populated by the previous command isn't so the Makefile isn't being gernated (probably because ti's being generated from a subshell an since the variable isn't populated correctly it's killing the build and thus when it gets back tot he parent and it checks for the makefile its not f |
| 03:40.22 | pgpkeys | so make generates an error at level 4 make[4] and generates a stop which cycles all the way back up through the call stack |
| 03:41.03 | pgpkeys | actually probably level 5 if make uses 0 -4 rather than 1 -5, I can't rightly remember |
| 03:41.24 | enouf | pgpkeys: fwiw - i;ve "apt-get install sysprof-module-source" and done m-a {update,prepare,build} using that pkg, that failed as the bug shows, then i --purge removed all that and wiped out latent dirs in /usr/src/ then used "apt-get source sysprof-module-source" and tried again using typical ./configure, make .. (and that's where it fails again the same way) |
| 03:41.37 | pgpkeys | I'm going off the make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 03:41.41 | enouf | pgpkeys: you;re way ahead of me, give me some minutes to catch up ;) |
| 03:41.47 | pgpkeys | ok |
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| 03:42.13 | pgpkeys | it died in the same spot? |
| 03:42.19 | enouf | yep |
| 03:43.04 | pgpkeys | ok, I may be wrong so check with others but that sounds like a bug in the source EXCEPT for the fact that the deep level Makefile wasn't generated |
| 03:43.23 | pgpkeys | now if that gets generated and it STILL fails, THEN id say it's a package failure |
| 03:43.31 | pgpkeys | but check my comments against others. |
| 03:44.00 | pgpkeys | see where basic/makefile died |
| 03:44.30 | pgpkeys | that's where it initially fails. that populates higher levels. that's why i say check my statements |
| 03:45.24 | pgpkeys | well more accurately the Makefile wasn't created because /bin/sh: 2.6.26-1-686: command not found |
| 03:45.27 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | pgpkeys | well it fale dbecause it was supposed to populate dht kernel version major and minor version levels |
| 03:47.19 | pgpkeys | without the source in front of my eyes I don't remeber the names of the variables |
| 03:47.28 | enouf | pgpkeys: http://paste.debian.net/19045/ |
| 03:47.31 | pgpkeys | secd |
| 03:47.39 | pgpkeys | sorry been drinking so my typing sucks |
| 03:48.00 | enouf | pgpkeys: i'm moving slower than a sloth atm - no worries |
| 03:48.32 | pgpkeys | well you know in the top level Makefile where the kernel version information is set? |
| 03:48.54 | pgpkeys | looks ike the lower level makefile(s) are looking for that to be set as well via n env var |
| 03:49.03 | pgpkeys | and it's not since the command to set it is failing |
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| 03:49.09 | pgpkeys | so the makefile creation is bombing |
| 03:49.37 | pgpkeys | ok proc_root in that one isn't being defined |
| 03:49.57 | pgpkeys | I don't know where that is defined without looking through the kernekl source |
| 03:50.02 | pgpkeys | you can do that better than I can |
| 03:50.05 | pgpkeys | follow the make file |
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| 03:50.45 | pgpkeys | init_module is calling that function but I don't know what header file is supposed to be defining that function |
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| 03:51.39 | pgpkeys | only thing I can say is trace back from /usr/src/sysprof-1.0.10/module/sysprof-module.c |
| 03:51.55 | enouf | the file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile doesn't exist, though the dir scripts/basic does, and it contains only 2 binary files 'docproc' and 'fixdep' |
| 03:52.24 | pgpkeys | yeah because that variable set failed |
| 03:52.29 | enouf | pgpkeys: yes, i know - but i get lost in all the code - i've been mucking around through many files .. no worries |
| 03:52.40 | pgpkeys | so because it failed the makefile couldn't be generated. its a required var |
| 03:53.01 | enouf | are we in PM here? ;-) |
| 03:53.08 | pgpkeys | hehe |
| 03:53.09 | enouf | it's so quiet O_o |
| 03:53.22 | pgpkeys | people probably watfching to see where we go with this is all |
| 03:53.31 | enouf | right |
| 03:53.42 | maquis | hmm... if it's quiet, maybe someone would be willing to help with a problem i have? |
| 03:53.44 | pgpkeys | we'll fuck up but it's ok. just go on,. if someone knows better they'll pipe up |
| 03:53.45 | enouf | goes to sleep :-P |
| 03:53.55 | maquis | i asked yesterday, but didn't see any responses |
| 03:54.15 | pgpkeys | you have to ask a detailed question with meat to the question and details that people can work with |
| 03:54.20 | pgpkeys | only way people can help you |
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| 03:54.30 | pgpkeys | asking to ask or asking if it's ok wont get you squat |
| 03:54.34 | enouf | pgpkeys: i appreciate all your help - thank you kindly - give me about 3 hours to go over all you mentioned ;-) |
| 03:54.45 | maquis | hello. I am having a problem with debian that i haven't been able to figure out. Whenever i try to do anything with apt-get or aptitude, it tries to upgrade mercurial and mercurial-common, both of which fail. |
| 03:54.49 | maquis | hello. I am having a problem with debian that i haven't been able to figure out. Whenever i try to do anything with apt-get or aptitude, it tries to upgrade mercurial and mercurial-common, both of which fail. |
| 03:54.54 | maquis | hello. I am having a problem with debian that i haven't been able to figure out. Whenever i try to do anything with apt-get or aptitude, it tries to upgrade mercurial and mercurial-common, both of which fail. oops |
| 03:54.55 | enouf | stop that! |
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| 03:54.59 | maquis | i found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491123 |
| 03:55.01 | pgpkeys | enouf - no problem. if you don't get it by the time i go to sleep and you haven't solved it when I get back up i'll help. no biggee |
| 03:55.02 | maquis | sorry |
| 03:55.15 | maquis | was up-arrowing to get to my question and messed up |
| 03:55.33 | zahna | can i enable having only 1 package from unstable and have all the other packages "not count"? |
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| 03:55.53 | pgpkeys | enouf - I'm trying to get pgpkeys.net's subdoms up at the same time I'm helping you so forgive me if I seem kind of spacey |
| 03:56.01 | enouf | pgpkeys: seems the original guy/gal who really wnats this thing is hanging in #debian over at OFTC.net - so maybe squat there too |
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| 03:56.19 | enouf | you're not |
| 03:56.23 | enouf | and .. |
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| 03:56.38 | enouf | i also have a question about gnupg |
| 03:57.01 | pgpkeys | maquis - seems the package in question has a bug in it's scripts |
| 03:57.19 | zahna | i'm wanting to get the latest nginx from unstable, but no other packages from unstable |
| 03:57.22 | enouf | can anyone here show me the user:group of their /home/username/.gnupg/gpg.conf ? |
| 03:57.23 | pgpkeys | ls: /usr/share/man/man1/djview3.*: No such file or directory |
| 03:57.23 | pgpkeys | basename: missing operand |
| 03:57.23 | maquis | pgpkeys: yes. I'm trying to figure out how to get it off my system or something. |
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| 03:57.41 | pgpkeys | use --purge if i remember cofrectly |
| 03:57.42 | ech0dish | hello |
| 03:57.44 | pgpkeys | err correctly |
| 03:57.49 | maquis | pgpkeys: ok. i 'll try that |
| 03:57.53 | ech0dish | i am having some issues with a dell poweredge 2500 |
| 03:57.57 | ech0dish | i can't get it to boot from disk |
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| 03:58.20 | enouf | seems when i did chown -R years ago - it didn't ALL work out correctly ;-) |
| 03:58.24 | pgpkeys | enouf - I can't. I'm on a freebsd box here so I can't show you accurate info |
| 03:58.38 | enouf | pgpkeys: no worries, thanks anyway |
| 03:58.45 | pgpkeys | :/ welcome |
| 03:59.12 | ech0dish | have set in bios, os install mode on and boot sequence to cd rom first |
| 03:59.19 | ech0dish | but it still goes directly to winblows 2000 |
| 03:59.26 | ech0dish | any assistance would be greatly appreciated |
| 03:59.39 | ech0dish | have check'd the disk and it boots on other systems |
| 04:00.13 | maquis | pgpkeys: i tried, and when i told it to remove djview, mercurial and mercurial-common, it said that the package is in a very bad inconsistent state, and i should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 04:00.21 | maquis | (said that about the mercurial packages) |
| 04:00.37 | enouf | pgpkeys: this is why i ask - http://paste.debian.net/19046/ |
| 04:01.17 | enouf | pgpkeys: i can't even figure out which pkg's .postinst script generated that file |
| 04:01.30 | pgpkeys | ok hold on. I've got 3 channels lighting me up. gimme a sec to square things away |
| 04:01.33 | enouf | pgpkeys: but again - no biggy ;-) |
| 04:01.45 | enouf | pgpkeys: i'll get to the bottom of it in time ;-) |
| 04:02.32 | enouf | i've grepped through all files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 04:02.40 | pgpkeys | enouf - that's not an issue. you're ok with that |
| 04:02.55 | enouf | and .. check this; |
| 04:02.56 | enouf | ~$ apt-file search gpg.conf |
| 04:02.57 | enouf | licq: usr/share/doc/licq/examples/licq_gpg.conf |
| 04:03.05 | enouf | 1 hit :-/ |
| 04:03.14 | pgpkeys | i think it's gnupg.conf |
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| 04:04.10 | enouf | i'm just throwing out the info in case someone else is also reading along pgpkeys ;-) |
| 04:04.31 | pgpkeys | did you try mine? |
| 04:04.36 | pgpkeys | and yeah i realise that ;) |
| 04:05.09 | enouf | rubs two crickets legs together :-P |
| 04:05.18 | pgpkeys | i spend most of my time in windows using pgp. yeah i know that SO anti debian/linux but hey a guy uses what a guy uses |
| 04:05.26 | TiMiDo | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 04:05.31 | TiMiDo | on my sql any ideas? |
| 04:05.55 | enouf | ech0dish: how old is that machine? |
| 04:05.57 | pgpkeys | you not using mysql -u (username) |
| 04:05.57 | maquis | pgpkeys: any idea what else i could try if --purge doesn't work? |
| 04:06.17 | ech0dish | it is fairly old |
| 04:06.18 | ech0dish | it's a p3 |
| 04:06.25 | pgpkeys | maquis - its been awhile so no. I'd say wait and ask someone else |
| 04:06.28 | enouf | ech0dish: that seems like a isolinux issue - do ANY cds boot from CDROM? also try F12 or something for a boot menu |
| 04:06.29 | ech0dish | has 2, p3 1ghz systems |
| 04:06.32 | pgpkeys | sorryt man |
| 04:06.34 | maquis | pgpkeys: ok. thanks for the help! |
| 04:06.38 | pgpkeys | welcome :/ |
| 04:06.49 | ech0dish | hrm i'll try f12 |
| 04:06.57 | pgpkeys | i hate not being able to solve someone's issue. makes me feel less than |
| 04:07.26 | ech0dish | has something called PXE boot for f12 |
| 04:07.27 | enouf | ech0dish: ok, might be a newer isolinux issue, although only my p150 has that issue - my p2 does not |
| 04:07.28 | maquis | pgpkeys: no worries. |
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| 04:07.45 | enouf | ech0dish: PXE is netbooting |
| 04:08.07 | enouf | ech0dish: play with your BIOS again maybe - and/or try other bootable CDs |
| 04:08.23 | ech0dish | i am thinking it might have something to do with the SCSI |
| 04:08.32 | enouf | possible |
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| 04:09.02 | enouf | ech0dish: try a newer cdrom drive in it ;-) |
| 04:09.17 | enouf | ech0dish: an IDE one :-P |
| 04:09.19 | ech0dish | am wondering if i install a ide cd rom will it have an effect |
| 04:09.31 | ech0dish | meh now to figure out how to open this beast |
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| 04:09.40 | enouf | should be easy |
| 04:09.48 | ech0dish | yeah hopefully |
| 04:09.49 | enouf | as cake |
| 04:10.12 | bunnyto | how to use the ati drivers for 3d? |
| 04:10.30 | enouf | if a tower - you unscrew the thumbscrew in back and slide the side panel off |
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| 04:10.38 | enouf | or - some even swing open |
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| 04:11.06 | enouf | hrm, that era Dell might have a Proprietary PSU and Mobo connectors .. yikes |
| 04:11.10 | ech0dish | im in |
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| 04:11.11 | ech0dish | lol |
| 04:11.17 | enouf | w00h00 |
| 04:11.20 | pgpkeys | ok folks, I gotta crash. gonna watch the last 6 minutes of the hockey game then crash, enjoy |
| 04:11.25 | enouf | she's a happy? :-P |
| 04:11.26 | ech0dish | the screws were in the front |
| 04:11.31 | enouf | ewww |
| 04:11.51 | enouf | pgpkeys: cool - see ya |
| 04:11.57 | pgpkeys | later & |
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| 04:13.01 | enouf | ech0dish: worse comes to worse, on my p150 i use a SBM boot floppy which then boots the CD-ROM drive ;-) |
| 04:13.17 | ech0dish | i see no ide lol |
| 04:13.31 | enouf | ech0dish: even though it has a bootable CD BIOS, only win98 OEM and older DSL CDs will boot |
| 04:13.39 | enouf | haha |
| 04:14.03 | ech0dish | wtf how can it not have any ide slots |
| 04:14.14 | enouf | O_O |
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| 04:15.19 | ech0dish | perhaps on the other side of the mobo... |
| 04:15.50 | enouf | ech0dish: JFYI - see "Dell Proprietary (Nonstandard) ATX Design" http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.aspx?p=31105 |
| 04:16.02 | enouf | in case you ever mess with the PSU |
| 04:16.54 | ech0dish | i see absolutely no ide outlets anywhere |
| 04:17.19 | enouf | ech0dish: SmartBootManager is at btmgr.sf.net should you want it |
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| 04:17.55 | ech0dish | whats that do? |
| 04:18.08 | enouf | i told you above ;-) |
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| 04:19.06 | ech0dish | for floppy? |
| 04:19.13 | enouf | yep |
| 04:19.15 | ech0dish | k |
| 04:21.18 | ech0dish | only computer i have with a floppy is windows |
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| 04:22.36 | enouf | no floppy on the dellio? |
| 04:22.57 | ech0dish | well i don't have access to the windows on it |
| 04:23.03 | ech0dish | i got this from a company |
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| 04:23.18 | ech0dish | it has a floppy though |
| 04:23.28 | ech0dish | but i need to create the boot disk off a windows box |
| 04:23.29 | enouf | what? |
| 04:23.31 | enouf | no |
| 04:23.42 | ech0dish | i only have a linux laptop |
| 04:24.39 | enouf | it really shouldn;t matter where you make the floppy at |
| 04:24.58 | ech0dish | yes but i am not sure how to make it, there is no documentation on the site just a list of folders |
| 04:25.18 | enouf | you just run the sbminstall, iirc |
| 04:25.38 | j0 | is there a way to disable smb and only allow the cifs protocol in samba? |
| 04:25.42 | enouf | there are docs, they're just scarce and in isolated areas |
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| 04:26.05 | ech0dish | ic |
| 04:26.17 | enouf | also, google will help - heck even the debian ISO has some info, and a /sbm dir |
| 04:26.29 | j0 | all my windows xp clients claim there is a 2gb limit on my samba shares (they're ext3).. my guess is because it's not using cifs.. many ppl in forums, etc. are having the same problem, but i haven't seen a solution |
| 04:26.52 | Tetracomm | Does anyone know of any Rosetta Stone alternatives for Linux? |
| 04:27.08 | ech0dish | vmware |
| 04:27.19 | enouf | largefile support hrm - maybe your XPoopers are using fat32 |
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| 04:27.49 | j0 | enouf: it happens when i try to copy a file larger than 2gb TO samba |
| 04:27.57 | enouf | but yeh, use CIFS if using win2K and higher |
| 04:28.42 | j0 | enouf: how do i get windows xp to use cifs instead of smb when communicating with samba? |
| 04:28.47 | enouf | iirc, samba at one time had a 2GB limit, which was fixed with largefile support of somekind in it's build, IIRC |
| 04:29.04 | j0 | yeah that's what i thought |
| 04:29.04 | enouf | ask ##windows |
| 04:29.26 | enouf | mount using mount.cifs - or mount -t cifs ... |
| 04:29.35 | enouf | instead of smbfs |
| 04:30.00 | j0 | enouf: i'm accessing samba with my xp box.. not the other way around |
| 04:30.09 | Tetracomm | Does anyone know of any free language tutor programs? |
| 04:32.11 | enouf | you don't access samba, unless you mean you're giving the lion a proctologist examination :-P |
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| 04:32.46 | j0 | ? |
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| 04:34.30 | enouf | Tetracomm: maybe look at debian.edu or whatever it's called? |
| 04:35.47 | enouf | !debianedu |
| 04:35.47 | dpkg | debianedu is probably a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as in the class room, in the staff room and in the administration office. See http://www.skolelinux.org/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 04:36.10 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 04:36.13 | enouf | Tetracomm: not sure of the status but the recent debconf2008 has a video about it |
| 04:36.17 | enouf | one sec |
| 04:37.35 | mactimes | Hi. |
| 04:37.42 | enouf | Tetracomm: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2008/debconf8/low/594_Debian_Edu_100_in_main.ogg 98MB |
| 04:37.59 | enouf | (that's the low res one too :-P) |
| 04:38.20 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 04:38.35 | k-man_ | how do i tell rungetty that i have modified the confing and to reload? |
| 04:38.56 | enouf | Tetracomm: if nothing useful comes from all that - see maybe ##linux and ask - and look at knoppix even, or edulinux? dang |
| 04:39.16 | enouf | k-man_: man telinit |
| 04:39.34 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 04:39.43 | k-man_ | thanks enouf |
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| 04:40.52 | mactimes | I'm looking for a way to hide my services from port scanners without impacting authentic users. In other words, after the same host tries to access services using ports ports that are not in use, that host would be blocked for a certain amount of time. Could someone, please, point me some directions/docs I should look for? |
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| 04:41.46 | mactimes | Currently running etch. |
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| 04:44.13 | enouf | mactimes: use fail2ban - and/or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 04:44.27 | mactimes | enouf: Thanks a lot!!! |
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| 04:44.57 | mactimes | enouf: I've heard about it before, couldn't remember the name. Thanks again! |
| 04:45.31 | enouf | mactimes: please also /msg dpkg harden-doc and disable any unndeeded services from ever starting up at boot |
| 04:45.46 | enouf | !tell mactimes -about rcconf |
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| 04:46.53 | enouf | s/unndeeded/unwanted ;-) |
| 04:47.18 | mactimes | Thank you once again! |
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| 04:49.14 | enouf | you're welcome ;-) |
| 04:51.17 | mactimes | enouf: I don't want to be abusive towards your good will in helping me, but... do you know any good/easy-of-use IDS that could mail me unauthorized connection attempts? |
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| 04:53.17 | vedant | hi, is it possible for a hard disk to crash while it is undergoing a SMART short test? I am unable to diagnose it properly as the machine is on an offsite location. |
| 04:54.33 | enouf | mactimes: not sure offhand, but IINM almost all can - you setup syslog, or authlog to do it? hrmm ,, also look at this; http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#3_6 |
| 04:54.45 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get echo to print an actual newline? |
| 04:55.06 | GhostlyDeath | so "a <newline here> b" prints a and b on separate lines |
| 04:55.15 | vedant | GhostlyDeath: try \n |
| 04:55.19 | vedant | like a\nb |
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| 04:55.31 | GhostlyDeath | vedant: comes out "anb" |
| 04:55.41 | vedant | ok |
| 04:55.48 | vedant | must be some other way then |
| 04:56.22 | ech0dish | ok so i got it to boot off floppy |
| 04:56.26 | GhostlyDeath | ah nvm |
| 04:56.26 | mactimes | enouf: Thank you! |
| 04:56.26 | vedant | what about echo "a \n b"? |
| 04:56.27 | ech0dish | with the smart boot manager |
| 04:56.39 | GhostlyDeath | I'll have to split my echos up |
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| 04:56.40 | ech0dish | however when i try and boot off the cd it gives me an error |
| 04:56.47 | GhostlyDeath | adds newline at the end of the echo |
| 04:56.50 | vedant | GhostlyDeath: heh, ok. |
| 04:56.51 | GhostlyDeath | thanks anyway |
| 04:56.57 | ech0dish | Disk error! 0xAA |
| 04:57.03 | enouf | yikes |
| 04:57.05 | ech0dish | any ideas? |
| 04:57.11 | vedant | surprising echo can't print newlines in the middle of the string. |
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| 04:57.56 | vedant | how do I confirm if a hard disk has crashed? |
| 04:58.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ~$ echo -e "a\n\nb" |
| 04:58.49 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: ah thanks |
| 04:58.54 | enouf | vedant: smartmontools? |
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| 04:59.08 | enouf | vedant: HDD manufacturer's diagnostic tools? |
| 04:59.26 | vedant | enouf: the BIOS isn't recognising it, so software tools won't be able to see it either. |
| 05:00.44 | vedant | a few minutes ago it was trying to boot off it, but I couldn't understand what was happening. After a few reboots by the operator, it vanished from the BIOS. |
| 05:01.08 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: odd, but works ;-) ~$ echo -e "a\n\nb" > echofile ; ~$ cat -A echofile |
| 05:02.16 | enouf | vedant: welp, bad cable, bad PSU, no jumpers, or wrongly jumpered or bad IDE Controller? |
| 05:02.23 | zinx | vedant: try it in another computer - if that computer isn't seeing it, it has "crashed".. you may be able to get the computer to see it by waiting a while before powering it back on, though, fwiw. if you do, you will probably need to make a direct copy (with, for instance, dd) if you want the data off it |
| 05:02.56 | zinx | vedant: i've also had a few Maxtor drives that wouldn't be seen except every 300th boot |
| 05:03.07 | lem0n | lol zinx |
| 05:03.12 | zinx | (where the 1 in 300 isn't precisely that, but about that) |
| 05:03.22 | enouf | vedant: yeah, go get the disk and play with it yourself - if it truly is locked up and/or dead, you might need the freezer trick ;-) |
| 05:04.14 | vedant | I had run a smartctl -t short /dev/sda 10 hours earlier or so, after some time the disk locked up it seemed, and http://pastebin.com/d551da62f was in the syslog |
| 05:04.23 | zinx | vedant: also, and usually you should never do this, you may try disabling SMART on the drive |
| 05:04.31 | enouf | vedant: is that a remote disk? |
| 05:04.51 | vedant | SATA disk on a remote location |
| 05:05.01 | enouf | seems like running smartctl killed it? lmao |
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| 05:05.38 | zinx | vedant: it looks like the disk got swapped... |
| 05:05.46 | vedant | swapped? |
| 05:06.02 | zinx | vedant: there was one drive there, and now it's a different one |
| 05:06.39 | enouf | wtf is with -> "ata1.00: model number mismatch 'SAMSUNG HD161HJ' != 'SAMSUNG HD082GJ'" |
| 05:06.40 | enouf | ? |
| 05:06.40 | zinx | ata1.00: model number mismatch 'SAMSUNG HD161HJ' != 'SAMSUNG HD082GJ' <- does not happen unless the drive has been swapped with a different drive |
| 05:06.43 | vedant | also, that was the disk with the root partition, so the machine hung and it had to be force shutdown by the power switch. |
| 05:06.47 | enouf | right |
| 05:07.07 | vedant | there was nobody around that computer at that time :) |
| 05:07.17 | vedant | probably a firmware bug |
| 05:07.20 | enouf | ghosts? :-P |
| 05:07.36 | zinx | vedant: no, i don't believe a firmware bug would cause that |
| 05:07.58 | enouf | but - see what ls -l /dev/disk/by-* says |
| 05:07.59 | vedant | so what can cause it? only a person who swapped disks? |
| 05:08.08 | enouf | also see what blkid kicks out |
| 05:08.30 | vedant | enouf: after those lines in the syslog linux hasn't booted in that computer. |
| 05:08.35 | enouf | lshal will also have that info |
| 05:08.35 | zinx | vedant: generally, yes. a 160G drive got replaced with an 80G one. |
| 05:08.46 | zinx | or the other way around |
| 05:09.12 | vedant | zinx: there was nobody there in the room at that time! |
| 05:09.36 | enouf | maybe it was a hotswap RAID setup? |
| 05:09.53 | vedant | no I wasn't using RAID on that computer. |
| 05:10.14 | enouf | (that;s the only thing that would vaguely even come close to making sense) |
| 05:10.41 | enouf | Casper got at it! |
| 05:10.49 | vedant | then have we proved the existence of ghosts? :) |
| 05:11.47 | enouf | vedant: try resetting the bus - do you trust this "operator" that tells you the BIOS doesn't see it? |
| 05:11.53 | vedant | btw the chipset was i915 with ICH6 if that helps |
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| 05:12.17 | enouf | vedant: install scsitools and run rescan-scsi.sh or similar |
| 05:12.53 | vedant | how do I reset the bus? I can't boot anything off it. there is no optical drive connected to it. operator is either my mom or dad, no worries about trust there. |
| 05:13.02 | enouf | haha |
| 05:13.11 | enouf | falls off chair |
| 05:13.14 | vedant | making a bootable USB drive with dad would take some time. |
| 05:13.36 | enouf | dude, tell them to install a new drive ;-) |
| 05:13.44 | vedant | it had my data on it! |
| 05:13.46 | enouf | or .. |
| 05:14.00 | enouf | set one up where you are, and mail it to them ;-) |
| 05:14.32 | vedant | i used that computer for four years while I was home.. and now it's boot drive crashed. |
| 05:14.42 | enouf | !backups |
| 05:14.43 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data, or see <things to backup> |
| 05:15.16 | enouf | i don't know what else to say :-/ |
| 05:15.27 | vedant | i had made a backup with dd when leaving home, but that was on august. |
| 05:16.06 | vedant | i don't remember storing any important piece of data on it from that period though. |
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| 05:19.13 | feelmo | hi |
| 05:19.13 | feelmo | help? |
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| 05:21.38 | enouf | ech0dish: the two signature boot bytes at the end of the 1st disk sector (the MBR) are 0x55 0xAA |
| 05:21.48 | vedant | model number mismatch is funny.. dunno what on earth happe |
| 05:21.52 | vedant | happened* |
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| 05:23.07 | vedant | I wonder if it's worth a bug report? |
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| 05:24.05 | enouf | ech0dish: oh, wait, that's when you try to boot off the CD? is the drive terminated? |
| 05:25.56 | feelmo | hmm |
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| 05:27.17 | gnufs | hello all |
| 05:27.18 | gnufs | is there a way other than equivs to create a meta-package? |
| 05:28.07 | ech0dish | ? |
| 05:28.40 | ech0dish | how do i tell if its terminated |
| 05:29.04 | enouf | gnufs: i don't know - try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org maybe - check/use the mailing lists at lists.debian.org? |
| 05:29.50 | enouf | gnufs: you could read the "/msg dpkg nmg" docs i guess as well ;-) |
| 05:30.03 | enouf | ech0dish: you look at it |
| 05:30.11 | ech0dish | lol well i'm looking at it |
| 05:30.13 | ech0dish | and i can't tell |
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| 05:30.23 | ech0dish | it has a special connection to the motherboard |
| 05:30.30 | enouf | ech0dish: did that hunk-o-crap ever work? |
| 05:30.47 | ech0dish | it and the floopy |
| 05:30.57 | ech0dish | both connect via the same cable |
| 05:31.14 | ech0dish | and it's similar to a laptop's cd-rom drive in size |
| 05:31.38 | ech0dish | no i can't get it to boot off of it |
| 05:31.44 | enouf | Strike Two! |
| 05:31.44 | [Jasper] | hej guy,s can someone tell me how do update to etchnhalf? |
| 05:31.49 | [Jasper] | just add the sources and apt-get upgrade |
| 05:31.50 | ech0dish | am trying to download another edition |
| 05:31.53 | [Jasper] | ? |
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| 05:32.06 | ech0dish | testing ubuntu server soon as it finishes downloading |
| 05:32.26 | enouf | update? |
| 05:32.31 | enouf | !update |
| 05:32.32 | dpkg | from memory, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. |
| 05:33.16 | enouf | !security |
| 05:33.16 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 05:33.56 | [Jasper] | can anyone tell me how to update to etchnhalf? |
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| 05:35.07 | enouf | pastebin your sources.list and output of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:36.56 | [Jasper] | who enouf ? |
| 05:37.10 | feelmo | FD_SETSIZE limit set to 1024 |
| 05:37.12 | feelmo | i want to increase it |
| 05:37.14 | feelmo | how can i? |
| 05:37.44 | feelmo | it need to edit file typesizes.h and recompile it |
| 05:37.49 | feelmo | whats step to do it |
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| 05:40.55 | XandriX | feelmo, what is it exactly you are trying to do |
| 05:41.10 | feelmo | trying to increase that limit |
| 05:41.18 | feelmo | so my ircd can hold more users than 1024 |
| 05:41.41 | XandriX | feelmo, what ircd are you using ? |
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| 05:44.07 | sputnick | hi there |
| 05:44.16 | XandriX | hey there sputnick |
| 05:44.25 | sputnick | is there a know bug with fail2ban on Hardy ? |
| 05:44.44 | sputnick | that's doesn't start |
| 05:44.58 | XandriX | sputnick, couldent say i use fail2ban on etch and it starts and works great |
| 05:45.04 | XandriX | but from what i remember it needs apf |
| 05:45.12 | sputnick | apf ? |
| 05:45.23 | sputnick | packet filtrer ? |
| 05:45.36 | sputnick | iptables is running |
| 05:45.37 | XandriX | its actualy just a wrapper for iptables |
| 05:45.59 | sputnick | I have many rules in iptables |
| 05:46.01 | XandriX | adds predefined rules and it has a nice little setup to set your ports and more (its not all that great if u ask me) |
| 05:46.11 | XandriX | sputnick, so do i and i load apf after my rules usualy |
| 05:47.06 | XandriX | sputnick i could paste you my iptables -L but its way to long lol |
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| 05:47.41 | sputnick | not needed XandriX, thanks, my rules ar rights |
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| 05:47.50 | sputnick | *are |
| 05:48.43 | XandriX | no just saying i have quite a fiew custom chains and rules of my own |
| 05:48.55 | XandriX | so i know what you are worrying about and its quite understandable |
| 05:48.56 | gabegundy | I'm wondering if I can mount the same partition twice once in RW and the other time in RO - thoughts? |
| 05:49.10 | XandriX | sputnick, tho there might be a way |
| 05:51.06 | gabegundy | BTW it's ReiserFS and it's over iSCSI. |
| 05:52.08 | sputnick | yes XandriX ? odd, the return code is 0 :/ |
| 05:52.18 | XandriX | :S |
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| 05:53.48 | sputnick | I've traced fail2ban-client, it fails because "/var/run/fail2ban" is missing. I mkdir it, all is ok now :) |
| 05:54.14 | XandriX | sputnick, congrats mate you fixed the problem yourself :) |
| 05:54.22 | sputnick | ;) |
| 05:54.33 | sputnick | (that's my job) |
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| 05:59.17 | feelmo | XandriX unreal |
| 05:59.36 | XandriX | feelmo, um theres a way of configuring it to support more then 1024 from what i remember |
| 05:59.50 | feelmo | i know its there in .conf |
| 05:59.52 | feelmo | but it wont work |
| 05:59.57 | feelmo | unless this limit is increased first |
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| 06:02.07 | Quartermaster1 | I want to install a slave hd.. it has windows on it. what do I do to get my debian to be able to use it |
| 06:02.53 | XandriX | hope you have ntfs support and add it to your fstab |
| 06:03.39 | Quartermaster1 | it's win 98 so it wouldn't have ntfs |
| 06:03.45 | XandriX | vfat then |
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| 06:12.35 | kmeyer | hey, how do I find what package installed a given file? |
| 06:13.00 | Quartermaster1 | should I dismount it on windows pc first? |
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| 06:15.10 | XandriX | Quartermaster1, preferably |
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| 06:21.57 | TiMiDo | hey anyone in here that's good with blootbot |
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| 06:26.43 | karsten | TiMiDo: I hear dpkg is ;-) |
| 06:26.46 | karsten | ducks |
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| 06:27.01 | TiMiDo | karsten, right do you know the command to put a factoid on the bot? |
| 06:27.07 | karsten | looks at a fresh install and contemplates methods. |
| 06:27.20 | karsten | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg <foo> is <bar> |
| 06:27.48 | karsten | TiMiDo: ... is pretty much how it works around here. I don't manage it though, that would be dondelelcaro. |
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| 06:28.34 | TiMiDo | right |
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| 06:28.43 | TiMiDo | that's why i was asking if someone here knew. blootbot |
| 06:28.53 | ech0dish | meh only thing i can get to boot is windows |
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| 06:29.23 | ech0dish | so the drive works and it's configured in the bios properly to boot off disk |
| 06:29.39 | ech0dish | just have no means of getting any linux cd to boot |
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| 06:32.02 | mr_flea | Does the Debian build of the kernel automatically reboot on kernel panic? |
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| 06:32.42 | TiMiDo | mr_flea, nope |
| 06:32.43 | TiMiDo | it does not |
| 06:32.54 | mr_flea | TiMiDo: Thanks. |
| 06:33.32 | mr_flea | TiMiDo: Do you, by chance, have any ideas of what might cause a system reboot without user action (or power loss)? There's nothing in syslog, I'm thinking that it must just be losing power somehow... |
| 06:33.51 | TiMiDo | perhaps yeah |
| 06:33.54 | dudeman | hm |
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| 06:35.43 | dlynes | Is there some special command I need to do in debian etch for it use a default setup for PostgreSQL 8.1? Or do I need to manually configure everything? My config files seem to have some tokens in them, that didn't seem to get replaced by some part of the install process |
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| 06:40.58 | kamathln3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.21 | Gm4n | does it work to just rename a maildir by renaming the .Folder to .OtherFolder? |
| 06:42.40 | valdyn | Gm4n: sure |
| 06:43.49 | Gm4n | and is it legal to just move cur, new, and tmp into a different maildir folder? |
| 06:44.24 | xorl | bah, wish debian would install already |
| 06:44.46 | xorl | throwing it on my macbook at the software selection step tail (vt4) just spits out 'resolving dependencies' |
| 06:44.49 | valdyn | Gm4n: just dont have your mta or mua or pop3 or imap server access those dirs simultaniously |
| 06:45.11 | Gm4n | don't worry valdyn, this is (so far) a testing server, and isn't touched at all |
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| 06:45.44 | Gm4n | for some reason, I can't get mail that I use fetchmail to grab to show up |
| 06:46.00 | kamathln3 | anybody knows the nick of Ari Pollak? |
| 06:46.21 | valdyn | Gm4n: fetchmail uses an mda that you need to set up properly |
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| 06:46.37 | Gm4n | (I'm using mailfilter to put it in maildir, and it *seems* to work, but I can't see the folders after) |
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| 06:47.32 | Gm4n | ooh, I think I know what it is, actually... mailfilter is sticking everything in inbox, regardless of which directory I'm syncing. I need to change my .mailfilter in between fetchmails. |
| 06:47.51 | valdyn | Gm4n: i dont really know what mailfilter does exactly |
| 06:48.09 | valdyn | Gm4n: but obviously not what you want, procmail is the classic tool for this |
| 06:48.16 | valdyn | Gm4n: maybe you can put both in a queue |
| 06:51.30 | Gm4n | I'm not sure... the howto I saw that was somewhat related used mailfilter, so I'm using it |
| 06:52.00 | kamathln3 | Gimp on experimental seems to be broken. gimp in experimental is 2.6.0-1 . and gimp: Depends: gimp-data (<= 2.6.0-z) but 2.6.1-1 is to be installed |
| 06:52.25 | kamathln3 | is anyone updating gimp on experimental with 2.6.1-1 ? |
| 06:53.16 | kamathln3 | I'v been waiting and apt-get updating for half and hour and Gimp seems to be stuck at 2.6.0-1 |
| 06:53.52 | kamathln3 | Can someone contanct Ari Pollak and get a status of that ? |
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| 06:56.37 | TiMiDo | valdyn, do you know how to put a factoid on blootbot? |
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| 07:06.24 | valdyn | !error |
| 07:06.24 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 07:06.36 | valdyn | dpkg: forget error |
| 07:06.43 | valdyn | wth |
| 07:06.48 | valdyn | dpkg: forget The error |
| 07:06.48 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'the error' to forget, valdyn |
| 07:06.59 | valdyn | dpkg: forget error |
| 07:07.11 | valdyn | dpkg: no, forget error |
| 07:07.11 | dpkg | valdyn: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:07.45 | valdyn | !test132 is an example for a new factoid. |
| 07:07.45 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 07:07.50 | valdyn | !test132 |
| 07:07.50 | dpkg | i guess test132 is an example for a new factoid. |
| 07:07.58 | valdyn | dpkg: forget test132 |
| 07:07.58 | dpkg | i forgot test132, valdyn |
| 07:08.05 | valdyn | TiMiDo: ^^^ |
| 07:08.22 | TiMiDo | yeah valdyn |
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| 07:11.32 | EmleyMoor | Is there a program for sniffing and analysing samba traffic? |
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| 07:12.16 | enouf | Well folks, if you've been following my silly little sysprof-module-source building attempts that failed - i created a workaround that works (i got it to build by chopping off the end of the .c file ;-) ) .. now, i haven''t tried to use it yet though ;-) Stay tuned ;-) |
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| 07:15.17 | IamSOG | um.... [13:56] <dpkg> window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". <-- I though Desktop Enviroment have differnet window manager? |
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| 07:17.16 | aliases123 | hi there. when i try to use kerberos nfs v4. i can't do as i get an error messag on the client that the server is running the wrong version. how do i check this ? |
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| 07:21.11 | TiMiDo | hey anyone in here that's good with blootbot? |
| 07:21.48 | valdyn | !anyone know |
| 07:21.48 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 07:22.03 | TiMiDo | valdyn, can you help me to put the factoids on the bot? |
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| 07:22.17 | valdyn | TiMiDo: whats the problem? |
| 07:22.17 | TiMiDo | im getting this error though 89] !WARN! ICC: found 'addressCharacter' option in main config file. |
| 07:22.24 | TiMiDo | when i do for example !something |
| 07:22.27 | TiMiDo | nothing happends |
| 07:22.27 | IamSOG | lol |
| 07:22.29 | valdyn | !test |
| 07:22.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:22.43 | IamSOG | !dpkg how are you ? |
| 07:22.43 | valdyn | TiMiDo: oh, your own bot |
| 07:22.44 | dpkg | IamSOG: what are you talking about? |
| 07:22.49 | TiMiDo | valdyn, right |
| 07:22.57 | TiMiDo | im getting this error everytime i do it [ 97] !WARN! ICC: found 'addressCharacter' option in main config file. |
| 07:26.21 | Agiofws | would noexec not permit to created symbolic links on a mounted drive |
| 07:26.37 | karsten | Agiofws: Not sure. |
| 07:26.46 | karsten | Agiofws: Why don't yo utry it? |
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| 07:27.38 | Agiofws | karsten, i cant create a symbolic link on a drive that i have mounted |
| 07:27.48 | Agiofws | i get operation not permitted |
| 07:27.56 | Agiofws | i dont know whats causing it |
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| 07:29.57 | rebel_kid | debian is asking me to insert the netinstall disc when i try and install ssh, how can i override the disc and download from the net |
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| 07:30.44 | enouf | Ok - so .. the "make install" worked - and modprobe also worked ;-) |
| 07:31.12 | cahoot | rebel_kid: try /msg dpkg sources |
| 07:32.00 | cahoot | rebel_kid: you probably want to comment out cdrom and make sure you have an external source |
| 07:32.14 | EmleyMoor | hates Windows sometimes |
| 07:33.00 | enouf | GAH .. it's broken - seems it's a GUI, but because i ripped out it's "tracing" ability from the code, it won't trace - haha |
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| 07:35.22 | Agiofws | enouf, do vfat file systems not permit THE CREATIONS OF symbolic LINKS ? |
| 07:35.41 | wols_ | Agiofws: no it doesn't |
| 07:35.46 | enouf | Agiofws: nope |
| 07:36.03 | Agiofws | ohh i'm fsked |
| 07:36.05 | EmleyMoor | What would cause a Windows box to be able to access my samba shares by IP but not by hostname? |
| 07:36.19 | enouf | Agiofws: vfat has no concept of unix permissions, nor it's File systems |
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| 07:36.52 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: tons. just which box boots first can have an impact. other things are workgroups and so on |
| 07:37.03 | enouf | Agiofws: but, in windows, you can create a "shortcut" ;-) |
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| 07:37.25 | wols_ | which linux doesn't recognize |
| 07:37.40 | Agiofws | no the api needs a symbolic link to to a VFAT drive which cant be created |
| 07:37.54 | Agiofws | cause it lives on a vfat system |
| 07:38.02 | EmleyMoor | wols_: Is there a case by case listing of these factors? |
| 07:38.03 | wols_ | Agiofws: TO a vfat drive is ok. then the symlink is on the linux FS |
| 07:38.17 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: don't know any |
| 07:38.51 | enouf | Agiofws: ok, time to wipe all vfat silly childish FSs and use manly ones ;-) |
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| 07:41.27 | karsten | EmleyMoor: Only sometimes? |
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| 07:41.50 | EmleyMoor | karsten: Always but only since this machine was rebuilt as 64 bit |
| 07:45.20 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, you there? |
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| 08:05.24 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good music player for Windows that supports the same library as Amarok effectively? |
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| 08:08.07 | TiMiDo | EmleyMoor, winamp? |
| 08:08.59 | EmleyMoor | I might suggest David tries that |
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| 08:09.40 | EmleyMoor | Windows Media Player does not support the "multi-disc" sets the same way Amarok does, and RealPlayer doesn't like big libraries |
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| 08:13.03 | mhymn | amarok itself? |
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| 08:13.52 | mhymn | they say it's possible to run amarok in windows too |
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| 08:40.09 | patco444 | The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 08:41.45 | itok | anyone good with ircds? |
| 08:42.41 | itok | is it possible to wipe the gline list |
| 08:42.44 | itok | on unreal ircd |
| 08:44.44 | karsten | OK, when do I want amd64 and when do I want ia64? Debian netinst, Lenovo T61 TP. |
| 08:46.20 | cahoot | !ia |
| 08:46.20 | dpkg | i heard ia is Iowa |
| 08:46.36 | cahoot | there you go |
| 08:47.03 | karsten | There you go. |
| 08:47.14 | mhymn | !tell karsten about ia64 |
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| 08:47.59 | mavhc | basically you never want ia64 |
| 08:48.07 | phanter | !tell phanter about ia64 |
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| 08:49.53 | Tomsik | Hello, on #freenode I was told to contact debian's group contact and that somebody here might know who that exactly is. |
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| 08:51.38 | karsten | suspects mavhc is mistaken |
| 08:53.09 | GhostlyDeath | !tell phanter about self tell |
| 08:53.13 | GhostlyDeath | I think anyway |
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| 08:54.01 | GhostlyDeath | Oh noes, that means I am evolving more into a debian person |
| 08:54.26 | karsten | mavhc: ia64 == itanium, dead standard. amd64 == what pretty much everyone including intel is using. |
| 08:54.32 | karsten | To no end of confusion. |
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| 08:54.43 | karsten | just d/l'd and burned an IA64 netinst disk. |
| 08:54.44 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 08:58.50 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 08:58.50 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 09:01.56 | ibz | hi, does anyone have fuppes installed on amd64? |
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| 09:05.56 | phanter | hmmm, somehow none of my clients can connect to my MPD server, while everything else connected with the network seems to work. Other computer actually can connect. WHere could that come from? |
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| 09:09.25 | ibz | or rather, /quit |
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| 09:11.46 | karsten | phanter: gateway blockage? |
| 09:12.13 | phanter | in debian? Is that standard now? My other debian box works ... |
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| 09:13.01 | karsten | phanter: Are your clients trying to connect from some other network segment? |
| 09:13.02 | cr3rzemjest | so, how is call the thing where you type in your login and password? in X? login manager? why didn't it switch from standard x(xdm?) to kdm during configuration process but did after reboot? it all seems like magic to me, problems are being solved randomly... |
| 09:13.06 | cr3rzemjest | called * |
| 09:13.24 | karsten | phanter: Where are you connecting from? Can you reach the box? Have you nsiffed traffic? What's working / what's not? |
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| 09:13.29 | phanter | nope, it actually uses the same cable (i unplugged the other pc) |
| 09:13.34 | TiMiDo | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 how do i download this librerary? |
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| 09:13.58 | karsten | cr3rzemjest: Yes, X display manager. Usually gdm or kdm for Gnome or KDE respectivley, there's also wdm (wmaker) and xdm (old-school X). |
| 09:14.09 | phanter | i can ping that server and I can view the website which are hosted on that server |
| 09:14.28 | karsten | phanter: WTF is MPD? |
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| 09:15.08 | TiMiDo | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 how do i download this librerary? |
| 09:15.11 | phanter | Music Player Deamon. Remote music player... very nice actually |
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| 09:17.15 | karsten | OK. |
| 09:17.21 | phanter | my ssh also works... does Lenny come with a firewall enabled by default? |
| 09:17.53 | karsten | phanter: Basic tests: what ports is it listening on? Does it allow connections from remote clients? netstat -lvp should show it listening. |
| 09:18.12 | karsten | phanter: Sounds to me like it's not running or is only listening locally. |
| 09:18.34 | karsten | runs through a Kubuntu install while waiting for his Debian netinst to download... |
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| 09:18.38 | molk | hi |
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| 09:18.56 | molk | how can i search for .conf file |
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| 09:19.09 | mhymn | man find |
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| 09:19.41 | molk | how |
| 09:20.12 | TiMiDo | !info libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 09:20.13 | needle | molk: locate |
| 09:20.23 | phanter | tcp6 0 0 *:6600 *:* LISTEN |
| 09:20.32 | phanter | so i guess it is listening. |
| 09:20.36 | Kasreyn | i'm trying to install grub with grub-install /dev/hda and it gets stuck probing for devices. am I missing something here ? |
| 09:20.49 | phanter | molk: which .conf file? |
| 09:21.00 | enouf | Kasreyn: try the grub shell instead |
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| 09:24.05 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
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| 09:25.14 | Kasreyn | ok i have switched the order in BIOS of IDE/SATA |
| 09:25.37 | Kasreyn | that could explain why grub-install doesn't work |
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| 09:28.06 | Castigador | does somebody know where I can download a potato version of debian? |
| 09:28.45 | lordbaal | potato? |
| 09:28.45 | lordbaal | sounds yummy! |
| 09:28.45 | Castigador | yes, I need a system with a 2.2 series kernel |
| 09:29.02 | lordbaal | what is potato, was that before sarge or something |
| 09:29.08 | Kasreyn | potato.. that was a while ago |
| 09:29.09 | phanter | where is the config file for the waking up after suspend to disk? My debian tries to load the image from a wrong partition (so I need to change that) |
| 09:29.35 | Castigador | potato -> woody -> sarge -> etch -> lenny , I think |
| 09:29.45 | jelly-home | Castigador: /msg dpkg ado |
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| 09:30.59 | Lagbolt | phanter, look in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 09:31.03 | Minoru | after lenny will be sid? |
| 09:31.19 | craigevil | sid is always sid, after lenny its squeeze |
| 09:31.30 | Minoru | oh... thanks |
| 09:31.43 | Castigador | thanks very much jelly-home ! |
| 09:31.47 | Lagbolt | squeeze? for real! thats great! i cant wait to get squeeze |
| 09:32.14 | phanter | thanks |
| 09:32.36 | Lagbolt | phanter, if you change that you have to update your initrd |
| 09:32.45 | jelly-home | hopefully squeeze will make everyone use the version numbers instead of codenames |
| 09:33.01 | Lagbolt | jelly-home, how do you mean? |
| 09:33.12 | TiMiDo | hey how do i installed this packaged libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2? |
| 09:33.27 | valdyn | TiMiDo: not |
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| 09:33.49 | TiMiDo | valdyn, why not? |
| 09:33.58 | Lagbolt | TiMiDo, why? using sslextender or something |
| 09:34.00 | TiMiDo | aim: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:34.19 | Lagbolt | oh aim |
| 09:34.49 | valdyn | TiMiDo: its searching for a file that is in no debian package |
| 09:35.00 | lordbaal | does anyone know if PaX is ever going to be added |
| 09:35.04 | lordbaal | i am a bit squeemish about compiling a new kernel manually |
| 09:35.10 | lordbaal | i'm too cheap to get modern hardware |
| 09:35.12 | wols_ | TiMiDo: use a IM client frm debian. almost every one of them does AIM |
| 09:35.16 | valdyn | lordbaal: unlikely |
| 09:35.18 | phanter | Lagbolt: I can just use the -u option.. or / |
| 09:35.20 | lordbaal | serious question now, once i install gnome and kde (not sure what package does this) but synaptic will take on a new menu when i view the repositories tab, and no longer show the actual sources.list but has check boxes for security, it will simply add 'updates' to my ftp.debian.org line and not security.debian.org |
| 09:35.24 | Lagbolt | TiMiDo, phanter yup |
| 09:35.26 | lordbaal | my question is: is ftp.debian.org/debian 'updates' the same as security.debian.org |
| 09:35.58 | TiMiDo | how do i fixed this error? |
| 09:36.30 | lordbaal | synaptic hasnt been updated, i check the log, and will no longer show the list but only check boxes, unless its a 'third party software' 3rd party repository |
| 09:37.01 | lordbaal | if i check the security updates box, it will just add updates to http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 09:37.17 | lordbaal | and not http://security.debian.org to my sources.list file |
| 09:38.08 | lordbaal | so is 'updates' added to to the ftp.debian.org line the same as security.debian.org ? |
| 09:38.38 | lordbaal | if not it seems to be doing something wrong |
| 09:41.26 | phanter | is there actually a nice Desktop Environment especially for small screens (and I already tried hildon.. but did not get it to runproperly) |
| 09:41.50 | lordbaal | anything's better than twm |
| 09:42.14 | phanter | lordbaal: true ! |
| 09:42.23 | lordbaal | heh |
| 09:42.28 | lordbaal | can't even close a window |
| 09:42.34 | lordbaal | and gotta hover over it to type into it |
| 09:42.40 | buu | ratpoison! |
| 09:42.44 | buu | Everyone needs to use ratpoison |
| 09:42.46 | buu | Or else. |
| 09:42.56 | lordbaal | ill give it a try |
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| 09:43.36 | craigevil | how small a screen? depends on what you want. openbox, fluxbox, awesome are all ok choices |
| 09:44.08 | lordbaal | i like openbox but am still a noob at it, i have to de-maximize and right click an empty area of the screen to access the desktop menu |
| 09:44.29 | lordbaal | is there a way to access the right click menu from within a maximized app |
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| 09:45.18 | Shane|zh_CN | cannot packages.debian.org ... |
| 09:45.26 | Shane|zh_CN | cannot connect packages.debian.org ... |
| 09:45.46 | lordbaal | yea im having the same issue |
| 09:45.47 | lordbaal | i was cursing tor |
| 09:45.51 | lordbaal | maybe its not tor :) |
| 09:46.15 | lordbaal | i cant connect to yahoo either |
| 09:46.19 | lordbaal | maybe its tor |
| 09:46.22 | craigevil | lordbaal: you can always use a panel |
| 09:47.05 | lordbaal | i just installed obconf, seeing what it can do.. |
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| 09:48.22 | buu | lordbaal: ratpoison will solve these issues. |
| 09:48.35 | lordbaal | hmm |
| 09:50.20 | lordbaal | still can't get packages.debian.org either |
| 09:50.23 | lordbaal | i forgot the proper sources.list line |
| 09:50.44 | lordbaal | synaptic won't even show me the repositories tab unless its entered properly |
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| 09:51.45 | craigevil | use a text editor to edit /etc/apt/sources.list its easier than messing with synaptic |
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| 09:56.08 | lordbaal | but in synaptic if i check the security updates box it will just add lenny/updates main to the main ftp.us.debian.org repository |
| 09:56.08 | lordbaal | so is 'updates' on the main repository the same as security.debian.org |
| 09:56.10 | lordbaal | but i need to see the repositories tab, so i can access the auto update stuff |
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| 10:00.12 | Tomsik | Does anybody here know who "debian's group contact" exactly is? |
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| 10:00.37 | EmleyMoor | Tomsik: As in? |
| 10:01.06 | wols_ | group contact for freenode |
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| 10:01.20 | Tomsik | Somebody on #freenode told me to talk to "debian's group contact" |
| 10:01.39 | Tomsik | to try to find solution to the problem with lack of op on #debian-pl |
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| 10:02.13 | lordbaal | i prefer to do it by hand, but the problem is synaptic insists on doing funky things to my sources.list file |
| 10:02.13 | lordbaal | i cant even access the repositories tab now |
| 10:02.14 | lordbaal | how can i control synaptic's autoupdate functionality manually |
| 10:02.14 | ghaleb | hello, how can I start 'script' to record console output and commands for each ssh access ? |
| 10:03.14 | craigevil | manually edit then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
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| 10:05.20 | rebel_kid | apache is the most poorly organize piece of junk i have ever seen in my entire life, does anyone know of a good alternative |
| 10:05.34 | BashItOut | Depends |
| 10:05.47 | BashItOut | lightHTTP (or whatever its called) |
| 10:06.04 | BashItOut | cant remember off the top of his head |
| 10:06.06 | rebel_kid | anything that doesnt have 10k tutorials pointing me to files that dont exist and asking me to edit line 953 of a file thats 289 lines long |
| 10:06.21 | lordbaal | i'm an obsessive-compulsive bean counter, does anyone know of an app that uses inotify to record extra filesystem metadata like actual file creation dates etc |
| 10:06.44 | lordbaal | or should i just write it myself and have it autostart with cron |
| 10:06.49 | lordbaal | like a daemon that always runs |
| 10:06.49 | lordbaal | recording file creation dates etc |
| 10:06.55 | lordbaal | one thing ive never understood about unix, why it never stores file creation date |
| 10:06.55 | lordbaal | just the ctime atime mtime bs |
| 10:06.57 | lordbaal | i like to look at a project file and see that it was created on such and such a date, and last modified 3 months ago.. |
| 10:06.58 | lordbaal | even windows does that, ntfs has 100 nano second timestamps |
| 10:07.21 | lordbaal | i'll probably write it in c, i'm still a noob when it comes to unix though, i will probably want to run it as root so it can monitor the entire home directory, is etc/init.d what im looking for to place the startup script in? |
| 10:07.34 | BashItOut | rebel_kid: Hmm, /me has a look |
| 10:07.38 | rebel_kid | bashitout, is lighthttp well organized? i mean geez i cant even add a site with apache |
| 10:07.40 | lordbaal | is that the best place for it |
| 10:08.11 | Agrajag- | when using pmount-hal, is it possible to mount rw for all users? |
| 10:08.26 | BashItOut | rebel_kid: I have never used it, so dont blame me if its an apache clone :p |
| 10:08.33 | adama_ | lordbaal:yes |
| 10:08.56 | rebel_kid | lol k |
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| 10:09.22 | soulchild | hi all,... is there a repository for installing the original firefox on lenny ? |
| 10:09.37 | phanter | soulchild: what is the problem with iceweasel? |
| 10:09.43 | lordbaal | soulchild just dl it |
| 10:09.55 | lordbaal | you dont need to 'install it' just extract the tar.gz to /opt |
| 10:10.15 | lordbaal | firefox is up to 3.0.3 i think |
| 10:10.21 | lordbaal | iceweasel still has 3.0.1 |
| 10:10.53 | lordbaal | its ready to go just extract it to a folder in /opt or somewhere |
| 10:10.56 | lordbaal | if u really want it |
| 10:11.08 | soulchild | phanter: Some webpages are not shown correctly,... I tried with firefox and it looks okay... |
| 10:11.19 | lordbaal | it will share your profile by default with iceweasel, from .mozilla in your home dir |
| 10:11.32 | phanter | soulchild: oke... did not know |
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| 10:11.49 | lordbaal | soulchild have you tried changing your user agent? |
| 10:11.54 | lordbaal | that sounds like a likely culpret |
| 10:12.01 | lordbaal | change it to an actual firefox string |
| 10:12.12 | lordbaal | just add general.useragent.override to about:config |
| 10:12.20 | soulchild | lordbaal: can I change that in about:config ? |
| 10:12.25 | BashItOut | Hey, can anyone do something about a problem on #debian-pl?? |
| 10:12.26 | lordbaal | and fill it will a real firefox user-agent string |
| 10:12.28 | lordbaal | yup |
| 10:12.33 | lordbaal | u can make your useragent anything u want |
| 10:13.13 | soulchild | lordbaal: found it,... Can somebody give me the string for firefox ? Iceweasel has: "Iceweasel/3.0.1" |
| 10:13.14 | lordbaal | i change mine to IE hehe |
| 10:13.32 | lordbaal | give me a sec |
| 10:13.46 | Kasreyn | sites that give a shit about useragent should go die |
| 10:14.05 | lordbaal | indeed |
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| 10:14.24 | lordbaal | especially ones run by aholes that get elitist about your user agent and tell you you cant view it |
| 10:14.52 | Kasreyn | banks do that. and it's MY fucking money ;) |
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| 10:15.40 | lordbaal | http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/Firefox/ |
| 10:15.41 | lordbaal | theres a bunch there |
| 10:16.16 | lordbaal | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-ES; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061015 Firefox/3.0 |
| 10:16.17 | lordbaal | should do |
| 10:16.31 | lordbaal | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; de; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071025 Firefox/2.0.0.9 |
| 10:16.33 | lordbaal | or that one |
| 10:16.50 | lordbaal | eh, might not want the de |
| 10:16.54 | lordbaal | change that to en heh |
| 10:17.04 | lordbaal | unless u like german |
| 10:17.39 | lordbaal | another thing i cannot stand, sites like google with their crappy 'geolocation' bs to decide what language to serve me instead of going by my browser |
| 10:18.02 | lordbaal | maybe i'm on a trip to france, i cant read french, maybe i dont want french, they never consider that |
| 10:18.15 | soulchild | lordbaal: de is okay ;) but the site is still not shown correctly,... :( |
| 10:18.28 | lordbaal | if u use tor a lot you'll run into that |
| 10:19.06 | lordbaal | hmm |
| 10:19.22 | lordbaal | grab firefox then, just extract the zip to /opt and it is ready to go |
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| 10:20.14 | soulchild | lordbaal: okay danke |
| 10:20.44 | phanter | lordbaal: you can tell google what language to use (and to not use that geolocate stuff). I never see the Dutch version although I should see it :) |
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| 10:21.32 | simonrvn | um, 2.0.0.9 and 3.0 are insecure... |
| 10:21.41 | lordbaal | the only way to do that is to type google.us |
| 10:21.44 | lordbaal | instead of google.com |
| 10:21.56 | lordbaal | i have no desire for their cookies on my box |
| 10:21.59 | lordbaal | i leave no trace :P |
| 10:22.07 | phanter | aaah oke :d |
| 10:22.10 | phanter | is see |
| 10:22.10 | simonrvn | setting your language in your prefs helps... |
| 10:22.36 | phanter | simonrvn: he does nto like the cookies (which is actually good to do, but not if you use gmail etc.) |
| 10:22.38 | lordbaal | how |
| 10:22.48 | lordbaal | what setting does that |
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| 10:23.16 | lordbaal | intl.accept_languages = en-us, en |
| 10:23.24 | lordbaal | font.language.group = x-western |
| 10:23.29 | lordbaal | what more can i do |
| 10:23.53 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 10:24.23 | lordbaal | maybe i have a misconception here, i thought the browser sent the language 'en' in the header of all get requests |
| 10:24.23 | lordbaal | am i wrong here |
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| 10:24.45 | lordbaal | it seemed as though google insisted on their geolocation voodoo instead of looking at what my browser says |
| 10:25.22 | lordbaal | yup |
| 10:25.23 | lordbaal | correct |
| 10:25.28 | lordbaal | so its their fault |
| 10:25.30 | lordbaal | for doing it the stupid way |
| 10:25.38 | lordbaal | HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE:en-us,en;q=0.5 is what i'm sending out |
| 10:29.08 | lordbaal | lmao, i just went to whatsmyuseragent.com |
| 10:29.27 | Shane|zh_CN | lordbaal: hmm.. i have the same problem.. not with goolge but with packages.debian.org |
| 10:29.28 | lordbaal | the most recent visitor was Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.1 (Debian-3.0.1-1) |
| 10:29.33 | lordbaal | someone's still running sarge! |
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| 10:29.47 | BashItOut | likes that type of sites, like whatsmyIP and whatsmybankPIN etc |
| 10:29.55 | simonrvn | update your fricking browsers... |
| 10:29.56 | BashItOut | :p |
| 10:30.22 | lordbaal | really? |
| 10:30.30 | lordbaal | from apt-get or from browsing it manually |
| 10:30.50 | Shane|zh_CN | my browser sends Accept-Language: en-us,zh-cn;q=0.5 but packages.debian.org always displays a zh-cn page |
| 10:30.53 | Eulex | lordbaal, I wouldn't say that it's likely that someone runs iceweasel 3.0.1. also, there's no debian 3.0.1. |
| 10:31.15 | Eulex | *iceweasel 3.0.1 on sarge |
| 10:31.59 | Eulex | hmm wait, 3.0 would even be woody |
| 10:32.01 | lordbaal | are u using tor or something shane |
| 10:32.02 | craigevil | sarge isnt supported any more |
| 10:32.05 | lordbaal | not likely that someone runs iceweasel 3.0.1? |
| 10:32.05 | lordbaal | thats the most recent update |
| 10:32.12 | lordbaal | well apparently there is a Debian-3.0.1-1 |
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| 10:32.25 | craigevil | 3.0.3 is in sid lenny might still have 3.0.1 |
| 10:32.27 | lordbaal | 4.0 is etch |
| 10:32.31 | simonrvn | 3.0 wouldn't be in woody ffs, it didn't even exist back then |
| 10:32.34 | Eulex | lordbaal, note my correction to my own sentence. |
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| 10:32.52 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2) |
| 10:33.18 | Tomsik | Does anybody know who I should contact to solve the problem of lack of op on #debian-pl? |
| 10:33.40 | lordbaal | lenny is 3.0.1 |
| 10:33.46 | craigevil | and even in sarge it was firefox |
| 10:33.49 | Tomsik | Lenny's 4.0, no? |
| 10:33.51 | lordbaal | ive been checking it for the 3.0.3, not filtered down yet |
| 10:34.02 | Tomsik | woody was 2, potato was 1 |
| 10:34.34 | craigevil | Etch's release # is 4 , were talking about Iceweasel versions numbers not debian releases |
| 10:34.42 | simonrvn | talking about ff/fb/phoenix not debian versions |
| 10:34.47 | Eulex | Tomsik, how is op provided in that channel normally? |
| 10:35.08 | craigevil | phoenix was a cool name too bad they couldnt stay with it |
| 10:35.10 | Tomsik | The guy who registers a channel has the initial access |
| 10:35.12 | lordbaal | etch is 4 |
| 10:35.22 | Tomsik | and he can later give op to more people |
| 10:35.36 | Eulex | Tomsik, if you're using ChanServ, you can query ChanServ to see who is the channel owner. |
| 10:35.52 | Tomsik | Yeah, the thing is he haven't shown up in ten months or so |
| 10:35.57 | Tomsik | hasn't* |
| 10:37.00 | Eulex | guess you should contact the freenode people then |
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| 10:37.29 | Tomsik | I did |
| 10:37.37 | Tomsik | and they said that I should contact somebody on #debian |
| 10:37.44 | Tomsik | "debian's group contact" |
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| 10:40.46 | EmleyMoor | I am having problems getting gcdmaster to read from my DVD-ROM drive - it should be able to do so for on-the-fly copies and CD image making, but it always seems to fail to get access to the device. cdrdao, however, is happy to read from it. If relevant, it's a SATA device |
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| 10:44.41 | Eulex | Tomsik, sorry, I'm not sure who that is |
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| 10:46.23 | lordbaal | in this case we're talking about both, someone with iceweasel 3.0.1 was using Debian-3.0.1-1 |
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| 10:47.07 | EmleyMoor | (My writer is plain IDE - I happened to habe quite a few in stock!) |
| 10:47.48 | EmleyMoor | ... have, even |
| 10:48.28 | Eulex | lordbaal, there did not exist such a debian version, the version number is bogus. |
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| 10:52.18 | cosmodad | anyone familiar with `dar' who can tell me how to change the destination directory for recovery of specific files? I just can't figure that one out. |
| 10:53.31 | cosmodad | n/m! |
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| 11:02.22 | dissonans | not specific to debian, but how do I tell sudo not to reset environment variables? |
| 11:02.35 | dissonans | I've added !env_reset to Defaults, but makes no difference |
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| 11:08.37 | lordbaal | just goin by useragent strings |
| 11:08.39 | lordbaal | nvm |
| 11:08.39 | lordbaal | it says Debian-3.0.1-1 in my string too when i set it back |
| 11:08.39 | lordbaal | and im on lenny |
| 11:08.42 | lordbaal | yea |
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| 11:09.01 | Hoxzer | ^_^ |
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| 11:26.40 | MrWax | Does anyone know how I can make my apache webserver on debian sent the correct headers with each html document (not UTF-8, but iso-8859-1) ? |
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| 11:26.43 | MrWax | Been looking at this for ages now |
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| 11:35.51 | sparn | hello - i ran tcpdump on an interface the had pops (secure pop) connection go through - are there any things in the output that would show me that the connection is encrypted (like esp for strongswan connection)? |
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| 11:43.45 | petemc | sparn: openssl s_client -connect your.host:995 |
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| 11:48.28 | sparn | petemc - thanks - is your.host me or the remote pops server? |
| 11:48.46 | petemc | the remote pops server |
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| 11:50.26 | sparn | i get nothing back - it just hangs |
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| 11:51.24 | guysoft42 | hey, is there a list somewhere of all the pacakges needed to be installed to have all wireless drivers possible> |
| 11:51.25 | guysoft42 | ? |
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| 11:52.05 | sparn | fantastic - i had to run it on the client - wow interesting |
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| 11:53.11 | unseensoul | hi |
| 11:53.18 | Minoru | guysoft42, i guess no. try "aptitude search wireless" to find out what you want |
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| 11:54.42 | unseensoul | I can't get my WEP wifi network to work. The wep key is in ascii, but the feature iwconfig wlan0 key s:xxxx isn't supported :\ |
| 11:55.29 | guysoft42 | Minoru, no, that just gives tools |
| 11:56.16 | Minoru | guysoft42, only tools? i think it also return names of drivers |
| 11:56.49 | Minoru | wait a sec, i will see at the output if command which i give to you :) |
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| 11:58.04 | sparn | petemc - is the whole connection encrypted? |
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| 12:00.01 | petemc | sparn: i believe so |
| 12:00.12 | sobczyk | hi, I added new users to the system, but they are not showing up on the login screen, do I need to modify something? |
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| 12:05.25 | Pinchiukas | If I add an alias mail.mydomain.com to 127.0.0.1 and then try 'links mail.mydomain.com' the vhost should work? |
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| 12:07.48 | varlon | hi, I'm using MS LifeCam on my hp laptop. so, all working fine, but sometimes I got a error and camera has not detected by Debian. here is a part of /var/log/message: http://pastebin.com/m7a210e7d |
| 12:07.58 | varlon | it's a problem of debian? |
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| 12:10.04 | sparn | petemc - thanks for the openssl info - i didn't put 2+2 together to check out openssl - but shouldn't there be an encrypted packet for pop3 like esp for strongswan with tcpdump? google isnt a help |
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| 12:10.09 | varlon | now for using camera I need to restart my computer, may be I can reload on of kernel module? |
| 12:10.11 | cahoot | varlon: Oct 12 15:48:52 serenity kernel: [487018.721520] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-32) in status completion handler. - I'd try that on google - bug in uvcvideo? |
| 12:10.54 | varlon | thanks, I'll try to find |
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| 12:12.16 | LjL | i'm reading http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto and i have an almost identical setup to that described (2.6.18 kernel server with rt2500 card that needs to route stuff for clients). that page says "Note that this machine probably should be run as an access point, but the rt2500 driver does not support this", and "Ad-hoc is limited to 11Mbps, though this can be violated with an iwpriv command". now, 1) if i used the "newer" |
| 12:12.19 | LjL | drivers, could i possibly make it act as an AP? 2) does using "iwpriv" to boost the speed have any drawbacks? |
| 12:13.01 | LjL | also, the "rt2500-source" package description says that "An alternate driver, rt2500pci, is available in the rt2x00-source package", but i don't see this package |
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| 12:24.53 | kantor | hi |
| 12:26.05 | kantor | I installed the libc 64 bit library to compile 64 bit program, but when I specify the -m64 option with gcc I'm getting the following error: |
| 12:26.07 | kantor | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.so when searching for -lc |
| 12:26.14 | kantor | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.a when searching for -lc |
| 12:26.16 | kantor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.22 | kantor | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
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| 12:27.26 | sparn | i assume you (or the installation) did ldconfig - check /etc/ld.so.conf also for path (libc is kinda basic for a linux system - you never needed it before?) |
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| 12:29.23 | kantor | yes, but I have a 32 bit system, and now I wanted to compile a program with the -m64 option sparn |
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| 12:30.30 | sparn | did you had the 32bit library location to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 12:30.49 | sparn | did you had the new 64bit library location to /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 12:31.51 | sparn | can you compile 64 bit on a 32 bit? i have done 32 bit on a 64 bit ?? |
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| 12:32.25 | kantor | I need to set the 64 bit library and then run ldconf ? |
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| 12:34.14 | sparn | you might want to ask a debian expert - i have never compiled 64 bit apps on a 32 bit computer - usually on a 64 bit machine the 32 bit libs are in /lib32 or /usr/lib32 - but that is on a 64 bit machine |
| 12:34.49 | sparn | i take all that back |
| 12:34.57 | sparn | sorry i am very tired |
| 12:35.14 | sparn | the 64 bit libs should be in /lib64 or /usr/lib64 |
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| 12:36.05 | sparn | see if they new libs are in a different dir from the 32 bit ones - and then add that dir to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
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| 12:49.08 | kantor | sparn, yes, I found the problem |
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| 13:00.27 | Akuw | is there any tool to modify pdf files ? |
| 13:01.20 | abrotman | modify how? |
| 13:02.02 | sparn | kantor - what was it? |
| 13:02.03 | nkuttler | Akuw: usually you'll want to work with the source of the pdf |
| 13:02.16 | Akuw | well |
| 13:02.27 | Akuw | i have to documents i want to modify |
| 13:02.47 | Akuw | there was a people who did it with AdobeIlustrator |
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| 13:03.11 | kantor | sparn, I installed only the shared library itself but without the header files for that 64 bit glibc, that was the problem |
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| 13:03.29 | nkuttler | Akuw: do you have the source files? |
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| 13:03.38 | Akuw | no |
| 13:03.46 | Akuw | they neither |
| 13:03.50 | sparn | so yu installed the devel package |
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| 13:04.02 | peter_ | Hi. I want to install an older version of ALSA. How can that be done? Thanks. |
| 13:04.26 | streuner_ | older kernel? </troll> |
| 13:04.28 | nkuttler | way to run a ... anything... |
| 13:04.44 | JPT | remove alsa from your kernel and install it seperatly |
| 13:04.54 | streuner_ | peter_: why do you think you need older software? |
| 13:05.10 | rski | or use a 2.4 kernel instead if it's in the repo's peter_ |
| 13:05.19 | nkuttler | Akuw: apt-cache search edit pdf. depending on how much you want to change you could try an editor |
| 13:05.20 | streuner_ | CRAP |
| 13:05.35 | peter_ | streuner: Because of a known issue with alsa 1.0.16 and my soundcard. I'm being pragmatic. |
| 13:05.38 | Akuw | there is a pdfedit, but i can't find in the repository |
| 13:05.39 | streuner_ | rski: 2.4.x isnt supported in Debian anymore... |
| 13:05.49 | rski | i know |
| 13:06.13 | streuner_ | why you telling people then? |
| 13:06.27 | nkuttler | Akuw: running stable? find a backport or build your own |
| 13:06.37 | Akuw | etch |
| 13:06.49 | rski | if you don't get why please do not talk to me anymore |
| 13:06.52 | Akuw | backports are no free software? |
| 13:07.30 | streuner_ | rski: its possible to use a Debian kernel and any ALSA VERSION you wan |
| 13:07.31 | streuner_ | t |
| 13:07.35 | nkuttler | Akuw: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 13:07.58 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.21 | nkuttler | Akuw: or rather /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:08.25 | streuner_ | peter_: get the source of it (ALSA) and build those modules for the kernel itself |
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| 13:09.04 | streuner_ | peter_: if you using an official kernel, just look at make-kpkg |
| 13:09.28 | streuner_ | !listvals newiedoc.sf.net |
| 13:09.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'newiedoc.sf.net' by value returned no results. |
| 13:09.44 | streuner_ | !listvals newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 13:09.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'newbiedoc.sf.net' by value (3): make-kpgk ;; make-kpkg-tutorial ;; htod. |
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| 13:10.54 | streuner_ | peter_: look at newbiedoc.sf.net (old kernel-Howto) |
| 13:11.47 | Akuw | look http://www.pdfescape.com |
| 13:11.55 | Akuw | they can modify pdf |
| 13:11.59 | Akuw | i did |
| 13:12.18 | streuner_ | peter_: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 13:12.46 | Kasreyn | anyone know how I can make CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA visible in menuconfig ? |
| 13:12.56 | nkuttler | Akuw: doesn't look like they use 'free' the same way debian does. |
| 13:12.59 | stdisease | Hi, I tried to compile lshort from source, and latex complains about a missing pgfplots.sty. Which package has it? |
| 13:13.04 | streuner_ | peter_: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en#ADD-THIRDPARTY-KERNEL-PKG |
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| 13:13.25 | Akuw | well |
| 13:13.32 | SparFux | Latest version of asterisk in unstable doesn't start up. Do you know why? |
| 13:13.41 | Akuw | i will use, but don't install non free software here |
| 13:14.29 | asg | SparFux: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:16.53 | stdisease | ps: using tetex on another distro compiles fine |
| 13:17.15 | JPT | er... maybe the first question is just too simple for me to answer... if i tell the kernel config that i'm using a intel core 2 duo cpu, is make-kpkg optimizing the build for my cpu ? |
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| 13:22.09 | wols_ | JPT: yes |
| 13:22.13 | JPT | okay.. |
| 13:22.24 | JPT | thats nice, one problem more that's solved.. |
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| 13:23.07 | JPT | i'm currently fetching everything that's in the internet about kernel tuning, now i just started a 300HZ Desktop Kernel with CFQ Scheduler and voluntary Preemption... |
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| 13:23.26 | JPT | but theres a problem, that's way to easy to solve with one step.. |
| 13:23.38 | wols_ | cause this optimizsing is futile |
| 13:23.48 | JPT | may i paste about 2-4 lines ? |
| 13:23.56 | wols_ | no |
| 13:24.05 | JPT | okay... it would be in german, too..xD |
| 13:24.25 | JPT | i just made a kernel with nearly the same setting, thats currently running |
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| 13:24.31 | wols_ | LANG=C <command> |
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| 13:24.57 | JPT | now, installing the new image is failing at all, because dpkg wants to overwrite a file... |
| 13:25.08 | JPT | it tries to overwrite this one: /lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw |
| 13:25.36 | JPT | is dpkg unable to skip it and continue the installation of the kernel image ? |
| 13:25.36 | wols_ | having firmware in the kernel? extra files? |
| 13:25.39 | mange | hello.. im trying to do a debian install from a usb stick.. so i basically follow the manual, writing a pre-compiled image (boot.img) to my usb stick.. then I mounted it, and copied mini.iso to it.. but when the installer runs, it says it cannot find any ISO images, even if I do a full search.. I see the mini.iso file on my USB stick when i mount it from my other machine |
| 13:25.52 | JPT | it's just a vanilla kernel from kernel.org... no patches at all.. |
| 13:26.24 | JPT | maybe there's an option about firmware i just set up wrong.. |
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| 13:27.00 | wols_ | do you have this ti_3410 device? |
| 13:27.14 | JPT | i don't even know what kind of toaster it is... |
| 13:27.20 | JPT | i'll remove it |
| 13:27.25 | wols_ | then use menuconfig not to compile its driver |
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| 13:27.37 | wols_ | removing the file won't work |
| 13:27.40 | JPT | do you know what kind of device it is ? |
| 13:27.48 | JPT | (would be easier to find then) |
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| 13:29.18 | igorov | hi |
| 13:29.48 | igorov | i've a problem installing nvidia driver |
| 13:29.55 | JPT | okay... |
| 13:30.00 | igorov | the output is http://pastebin.es/3172 |
| 13:30.10 | Kasreyn | how can i enable DMA for IDE in kernel 2.6 ? |
| 13:30.19 | Kasreyn | the option in menuconfig is GONE |
| 13:30.32 | JPT | looks like there is a library missing or sth likewise.. |
| 13:30.35 | azeem | it's probably default now |
| 13:30.36 | JPT | *looks closer* |
| 13:30.41 | azeem | Kasreyn: ^^^ |
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| 13:31.05 | JPT | igorov: did you install your kernel-source ? |
| 13:31.11 | igorov | yes |
| 13:31.17 | igorov | and the headers |
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| 13:31.25 | JPT | how about kernel-tree ? |
| 13:31.26 | Kasreyn | DMA is NOT default and the option to enable it is GONE |
| 13:31.36 | azeem | Kasreyn: so enable it via hdparm |
| 13:31.45 | wols_ | igorov: we do not support nvidia .run packages. ask nvidia |
| 13:31.48 | Kasreyn | azeem: operation not permitted |
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| 13:32.09 | azeem | Kasreyn: as root |
| 13:32.14 | Kasreyn | yes, as root |
| 13:32.29 | wols_ | Kasreyn: IF you have the proper driver loaded. then you don't really enable it explicitly |
| 13:32.40 | wols_ | Kasreyn: what hdd controller? |
| 13:32.51 | wols_ | Kasreyn: dmesg | grep BM-DMA |
| 13:33.19 | wols_ | JPT: to compile modules one rarely if ever needs something else than kernel headers |
| 13:34.06 | JPT | hmm... it was just a thought... i cannot really tell the difference between header, source and tree... |
| 13:34.19 | JPT | i just know i need all 3 to make it work |
| 13:34.36 | wols_ | JPT: bullshit |
| 13:34.40 | JPT | okay... source is what i'm just trying to compile & install... |
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| 13:34.59 | wols_ | yes if you compile w whole kernel, you need source and source only |
| 13:35.04 | wols_ | s/w/a |
| 13:35.05 | JPT | i just do not know what's the tree... |
| 13:35.18 | JPT | headers are needed by modules and maybe some programs.. |
| 13:35.35 | wols_ | programs and modules headers are different things |
| 13:35.44 | JPT | that's right.. |
| 13:35.55 | JPT | okay.. |
| 13:35.55 | wols_ | programs headers and modules headers I mean |
| 13:36.01 | Kasreyn | wols_: i use ide_generic |
| 13:36.04 | JPT | tell me what's the kernel tree :) |
| 13:36.14 | wols_ | Kasreyn: answer my question |
| 13:36.21 | wols_ | JPT: gibberish |
| 13:36.36 | Kasreyn | wols_: it's onboard Asus K3A, no idea what controller they use |
| 13:36.37 | JPT | one moment, i need to translate that :) |
| 13:36.47 | Kasreyn | wols_: tho likely it's ATI |
| 13:36.47 | wols_ | Kasreyn: then find out |
| 13:37.06 | Kasreyn | err. no it's a M3A board |
| 13:37.30 | wols_ | Kasreyn: you have two choices: answer my actual question or solve your own problem. what will you do= |
| 13:37.34 | wols_ | ? |
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| 13:37.40 | OBcecado | sorry |
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| 13:39.19 | mange | does the debian i386 stable image contain a kernel where 32 & 64-bit x86 has been merged? or should i pick amd64 if I have a EM64T cpu? |
| 13:39.49 | wols_ | mange: desktop or server? how much RAM? |
| 13:39.56 | usn | hifi, I try to set my ulimit -l setting in Lenny. At the moment, limits conf has "oracle - memlock 1073741824", but no matter what I am configuring there, ulimit -l always shows "32" |
| 13:39.57 | jelly-home | "merged"? |
| 13:40.05 | usn | s/hifi/Hi!/1 |
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| 13:40.13 | mange | wols_, its a low-end server.. running a dual core atom cpu with 2 GB ram |
| 13:40.26 | mange | it says in the manual of debian: "If your system has a 64-bit processor from the AMD64 or Intel EM64T families, you will probably want to use the installer for the amd64 architecture instead of the installer for the (32-bit) i386 architecture. " |
| 13:40.27 | wols_ | mange: amd64 |
| 13:40.31 | usn | So my question: How can I change this value? |
| 13:40.40 | mange | wols_, ok, thanks |
| 13:40.51 | wols_ | mange: meaning the full distro will be 64bit |
| 13:40.58 | mange | right |
| 13:41.06 | jelly-home | usn: how do your oracle user's processes get started? |
| 13:41.07 | begemot1 | Greetings! |
| 13:41.07 | begemot1 | I need some help. I want to get my USB-mouse to work in console-mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1). |
| 13:41.07 | begemot1 | I did install "gpm" package and now i have cursor enabled in there, i can select some text, copying it, but the Scroll (therefor i've started the clue) still not working. |
| 13:41.07 | begemot1 | Can you give me advice - why? |
| 13:41.07 | begemot1 | Thank You beforhand! |
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| 13:41.28 | Kasreyn | wols_: SB600 |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | scroll wheel? on the console? |
| 13:41.44 | wols_ | Kasreyn: what kernel version? |
| 13:41.51 | jelly-home | usn: if eg. you su to oracle, you need to enable pam_limits in /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 13:41.55 | Kasreyn | wols_: 2.6.27 |
| 13:41.57 | simonrvn | scroll on console? wtf? |
| 13:42.02 | usn | jelly-home, They are not started at all yet, at the moment I try to query ulimit -l in a shell |
| 13:42.04 | usn | ok |
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| 13:42.14 | wols_ | Kasreyn: you are on your own. use a debian kernel or learn how to include the proper drivers when you make a custom kernel |
| 13:42.41 | Kasreyn | wols_: what do you mean proper drivers? |
| 13:42.55 | jelly-home | usn: increasing the limits with ulimit command will work for root. |
| 13:43.02 | wols_ | Kasreyn: you configured your custom kernel and fucked up. missed the driver for your hdd controller |
| 13:43.29 | Kasreyn | wols_: oh i just never found it ;) |
| 13:43.49 | usn | jelly-home, this su thing is weird |
| 13:43.51 | wols_ | yes. you fucked up like most people. which is why you run a debian kernel and be happy. |
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| 13:44.17 | wols_ | so use the proper driver and compile it in |
| 13:44.23 | Kasreyn | wols_: this is a new computer so I can't really "fuck up" |
| 13:44.28 | wols_ | aof course |
| 13:44.30 | wols_ | you just did |
| 13:44.38 | jelly-home | wols_: "most people" fuck up kernel building? Where do you get your stats from? |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | that's almost flw worthy |
| 13:44.49 | wols_ | jelly-home: #debian of course. they come here and ask |
| 13:45.05 | wols_ | jelly-home: remember sturgeon's law. same thing |
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| 13:45.25 | jelly-home | wols_: I'll apply it to your lines here. :-> |
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| 13:45.39 | wols_ | Kasreyn: this is an old chipset so I don't see any reason why debian stock kernels wouldn't support it. so there is no real reason to run 2.6.27 |
| 13:45.41 | Kasreyn | with my old mobo i'd have DMA yesterday. new mobo means new kernelconfig |
| 13:45.48 | wols_ | jelly-home: feel free |
| 13:46.04 | wols_ | Kasreyn: no. you run a debian kernel and it automatically works. with new mobo |
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| 13:46.15 | Kasreyn | i don't run debian kernels ;) |
| 13:46.26 | wols_ | Kasreyn: too bad. we are a debian support channel |
| 13:46.35 | usn | jelly-home, after including the line "session required pam_limits.so" into pam.d/su it works like a chram - thanks a lot |
| 13:46.36 | Kasreyn | blah easy for you to say |
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| 13:46.39 | JPT | isn't debian a bit more than just the kernel ? |
| 13:46.53 | Kasreyn | just do it the debian way and it automagicly works |
| 13:46.54 | jelly-home | Kasreyn: etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24) works fine on an HP DC 5750 with that chipset. 2.6.18 is a bit flakey (needs 5-10 minutes to boot) |
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| 13:47.17 | wols_ | Kasreyn: when it's true then it's right to say |
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| 13:47.48 | Traveler4 | hello |
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| 13:48.33 | Traveler4 | are there some linux professionals in here? :) |
| 13:48.44 | rski | what is a linux professional |
| 13:48.46 | wols_ | Traveler4: do you have a debian related question/problem? |
| 13:48.54 | Traveler4 | yes |
| 13:48.59 | asg | then ask |
| 13:49.00 | wols_ | then ask it |
| 13:49.15 | JPT | shall i ask to ask it, too ? |
| 13:49.18 | Traveler4 | i have an debian etch server |
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| 13:49.28 | dvs | !enter |
| 13:49.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:49.45 | Traveler4 | it is located in germany. |
| 13:50.09 | wols_ | Traveler4: stop misusing the enter key |
| 13:51.32 | Traveler4 | i also have plesk 8.6 installed - now i want to use suphp - i dont know how to do it |
| 13:51.49 | jelly-home | !plesk |
| 13:52.13 | jelly-home | Traveler4: plesk is not a part of debian, you'll have to ask them |
| 13:52.34 | wols_ | jelly-home: php is, so "how do I get suphp" is kinda valid no? |
| 13:52.56 | wols_ | Traveler4: apt-cache search suphp |
| 13:53.14 | jelly-home | wols_: not unless the control panel thing installs everything on its own and messes up the system |
| 13:53.22 | Traveler4 | with plesk it is horrible |
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| 13:53.39 | wols_ | jelly-home: well the suphp part is ok. just the plesk crap is OT |
| 13:53.55 | Traveler4 | but i need a "hosting" control panel for my customers |
| 13:53.58 | wols_ | so now he can install suphp and bother plesk folks for his (paid) support |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | Traveler4: plesk is not in debian .. and we have no idea how to use it |
| 13:54.17 | wols_ | Traveler4: we don't care. not in debian -> no care. HAND |
| 13:54.27 | jelly-home | I wouldn't tough that with a ten foot pole |
| 13:54.38 | jelly-home | touch* |
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| 13:55.16 | pgpkeys | he's not asking about plesk. he already has that installed. he was asking about how to install suphp |
| 13:55.34 | Traveler4 | yes. but i think noone can tell me :) |
| 13:55.40 | wols_ | pgpkeys: and I answered him |
| 13:55.48 | wols_ | pgpkeys: not my problem if he ignores it |
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| 13:55.56 | Traveler4 | but you can answer me suphp questions |
| 13:56.03 | pgpkeys | i've never heard of it |
| 13:56.19 | wols_ | Traveler4: I did! |
| 13:56.28 | wols_ | !info libapache2-mod-suphp etch |
| 13:56.44 | wols_ | Traveler4: truly you are a sunday visitor |
| 13:56.46 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-suphp: (Apache2 module to run php scripts with the owner permissions), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.2-1+etch0 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 13:57.31 | Traveler4 | yes. but you all know so much about debian. i am lucky :) |
| 13:58.00 | pgpkeys | wols_ - thanks for the !info |
| 13:58.02 | Traveler4 | if i could do everything on my own. i would not use plesk |
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| 13:58.25 | Traveler4 | you cannot learn everything in one day. |
| 13:58.35 | abrotman | Traveler4: less enter key is a start |
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| 13:58.42 | nkuttler | Traveler4: do you know how to install software on debian? |
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| 13:59.24 | Traveler4 | yes i do - at beginners state |
| 13:59.49 | emma | hey guys, I was experimenting and I put xfce on my debian etch. How could I remove it completely leaving no trace of it behind? |
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| 14:00.09 | abrotman | emma: aptitude remove xfce4 |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | or purge if you need to |
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| 14:00.36 | emma | i installed it with apt-get not aptitude |
| 14:00.44 | emma | so should i use sudo apt-get remove --purge xfce4 ? |
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| 14:01.02 | emma | can you uninstall with aptitude when you installed with apt-get and vice versa? |
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| 14:01.25 | wols_ | emma: you can but you will soon run into problems. stick to one |
| 14:01.39 | emma | okay wols_ |
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| 14:02.11 | syntaxx | hi regarding patch when it says looks like a unified diff to me what does that mean? there is a changes? |
| 14:02.19 | et | what kind of problems? |
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| 14:02.34 | et | (as one has to use apt-get for build-dep ...) |
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| 14:02.48 | abrotman | emma: use aptitude in general .. and you can use something like deborphan to clean up unused/unwanted stuff |
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| 14:03.26 | asg | syntaxx: it just means that it was made with 'diff -u' |
| 14:03.42 | emma | Do you suggest using aptitude in general, all the time, on a popular debian spinoff as well? |
| 14:03.53 | mike1o | !debian-live |
| 14:03.53 | dpkg | from memory, debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ , or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
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| 14:04.27 | DevilChaos | hi guys im having trouble updating my system i have run apt-get autoclean, clean etc but am getting a message that there isnt enough space left on the drive and in var/cache/apt/archives any suggestions would be appreiated |
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| 14:04.54 | nkuttler | emma: aptitude is the recommended software |
| 14:05.06 | syntaxx | asg: ic and what if i get a File to patch: what should i put it in? |
| 14:05.16 | wols_ | DevilChaos: delete something else |
| 14:05.29 | emma | nkuttler: that's sort of worrisome since all this time i've been learning and getting used to apt-get |
| 14:05.41 | wols_ | emma: what debian version do you run? |
| 14:05.43 | emma | nkuttler: what does aptitude do better to recommend it? |
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| 14:05.53 | asg | syntaxx: that means that patch can't find the file needed and is prompting you. |
| 14:05.54 | wols_ | emma: do you even run debian? |
| 14:05.59 | Sling | it handles dependencies better, cleans up better, etc |
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| 14:06.05 | emma | wols_: Well my main distro is Ubuntu, but I'm running Debian Etch on my side computer. |
| 14:06.08 | syntaxx | asg: ahh okay thanks |
| 14:06.22 | Sling | and if you got used to apt-get, aptitude wont be such a challenge |
| 14:06.30 | DevilChaos | wols_: em what proggramme can i utilise to see what is maxed out cant remember what i did last time? |
| 14:06.46 | wols_ | DevilChaos: du |
| 14:06.46 | emma | is it just 'aptitude install foo' and 'aptitude remove foo' ? |
| 14:06.52 | Sling | sure |
| 14:07.09 | simonrvn | and purge |
| 14:07.18 | Sling | well yea, see man aptitude |
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| 14:08.29 | DevilChaos | wols_: what is the controll option so i dont get the scroll and just percentages? |
| 14:08.42 | simonrvn | du --help |
| 14:08.47 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 14:09.11 | emma | Well I did sudo apt-get remove --purge xfce4 and it seemed that it did that. |
| 14:09.27 | simonrvn | instead of asking people, try --help first. if that's not helpful read manual, if still not, google it, if still not, ask. |
| 14:09.39 | simonrvn | xfce4 is just a meta-package |
| 14:09.40 | emma | But when I restarted, and did startx, it took me back to an xfce display manager, and pannel with all those apps still there. |
| 14:09.54 | emma | how can i get rid of EVERYTHING to do with xfce? |
| 14:09.57 | simonrvn | it didn't remove xfce4 |
| 14:10.01 | emma | I want to just have debian with X on it. |
| 14:10.19 | emma | i guess i have to reinstall. |
| 14:10.24 | abrotman | wtf .. why? |
| 14:10.31 | emma | i don't want that cruft on here. |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | just look at what packages you recently installed and remove them |
| 14:10.36 | emma | I want just debian with X. |
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| 14:10.43 | abrotman | or use deborphan .. i already told you |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | or use debfoster |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | this is not difficult |
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| 14:11.19 | emma | i can't be sure it's ever really gone. |
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| 14:11.34 | abrotman | whatever .. waste your time however you want |
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| 14:14.01 | asg | emma: /msg dpkg remove x ; then use deborphan ; then /msg dpkg install x |
| 14:15.35 | abrotman | or remove xfce4-session? seems like a good way to can it all |
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| 14:17.15 | DevilChaos | wols_:sorry should have used df -h a little slow today i am :) |
| 14:17.38 | okaratas | hello! |
| 14:17.57 | simonrvn | use aptitude, and start by purging xfce4-session and libmcs or whatever it's called. a lot of them dep on that. |
| 14:18.03 | DevilChaos | df -h produces info that i have sufficiant space on my drives so what else might i do to try and sort things? |
| 14:18.23 | asg | DevilChaos: df -i (have you run out of inodes) |
| 14:18.34 | DevilChaos | checking now |
| 14:18.49 | simonrvn | restart stuff? maybe something is holding a file open... |
| 14:18.54 | simonrvn | or that |
| 14:19.16 | DevilChaos | total usage is at 27% on my main partition |
| 14:19.31 | DevilChaos | all the rest have 1% |
| 14:19.49 | asg | DevilChaos: then restart sysklogd and any other daemons that log to /var/log |
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| 14:20.33 | zcy | about cross compile nepenthes |
| 14:20.48 | simonrvn | what about it? |
| 14:21.15 | zcy | missing libmagic |
| 14:21.21 | DevilChaos | ok sysklogd is restarted |
| 14:21.34 | wols_ | zcy: then install it? |
| 14:21.35 | zcy | but I installed it already |
| 14:21.51 | wols_ | !tell zcy about errors |
| 14:22.46 | DevilChaos | gzip: stdout: No space left on device |
| 14:23.08 | DevilChaos | is what i get when install through dselect |
| 14:23.12 | wols_ | DevilChaos: why do we care if you don't have enough space? |
| 14:23.29 | wols_ | DevilChaos: unless you free space this will persisi. and in #debian this is nothing but SPAM |
| 14:23.40 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 14:23.52 | cahoot | DevilChaos: you don't happen to have /tmp in RAM? |
| 14:23.54 | DevilChaos | how do i free space then please? |
| 14:23.58 | wols_ | I told you long ago to delete some logs |
| 14:24.01 | wols_ | for example |
| 14:24.14 | Lagbolt | DevilChaos, apt-get clean |
| 14:24.16 | DevilChaos | ok oops must have missed that one |
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| 14:24.41 | DevilChaos | tried apt get clean it doesnt do anything and neither does autoclean |
| 14:25.01 | Lagbolt | DevilChaos, well you are going to need to find something to delete |
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| 14:25.33 | zcy | ./configure --host=arm-linux --enable-debug-logging --with-pcre-include=/root/workspace/program_zcy/arm/gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6/include --with-pcre-lib=/root/workspace/program_zcy/arm/gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6/lib --with-magic-include=/root/workspace/program_zcy/arm/gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6/include --with-magic-lib=/root/workspace/program_zcy/arm/gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6/lib |
| 14:25.49 | wols_ | !cn |
| 14:25.49 | dpkg | cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 14:25.50 | zcy | this is the cross compile string |
| 14:26.11 | DevilChaos | cahoot: im not sure if i have temp in ram |
| 14:26.17 | wols_ | zcy: since you don't understand english very well, go ti #debian-zh |
| 14:26.24 | simonrvn | see `mount' |
| 14:26.25 | zcy | and i wrote to nepenthes@debian.org |
| 14:26.32 | zcy | for ask the problen |
| 14:26.33 | DevilChaos | tmpfs 1.5G 0 1.5G 0% /lib/init/rw |
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| 14:26.58 | simonrvn | irrelevant, dude |
| 14:27.02 | zcy | o , thanks |
| 14:27.09 | cahoot | DevilChaos: like: none on /tmp type tmpfs |
| 14:27.26 | simonrvn | zcy: wasn't talking to you |
| 14:27.34 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
| 14:27.47 | simonrvn | my mistake |
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| 14:28.29 | DevilChaos | yup |
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| 14:30.18 | zcy | ? |
| 14:30.21 | DevilChaos | ill put what i get from df -h on pastebin to let you see |
| 14:30.26 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.com/d2637c872 |
| 14:30.45 | zcy | I'm Chinese , and my english is poor |
| 14:31.02 | zcy | but #debian-zh is nobody |
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| 14:32.26 | asg | DevilChaos: do you get a 'no space' error if you, say, 'touch /testfile'? |
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| 14:32.50 | mange | hehe, isn't it kinda funny that http.us.debian.org runs Windows for OS? |
| 14:33.16 | wols_ | mange: that's one of (many( mirrors |
| 14:33.29 | mange | still.. |
| 14:33.41 | DevilChaos | asg:just return to command prompt nothing happens with that command |
| 14:33.45 | simonrvn | it's effing round robin dns... get over it |
| 14:33.48 | wols_ | http.us.debian.org is more than one computer. it's many around the coutnry |
| 14:34.06 | asg | DevilChaos: and if you run 'echo foo > /testfile'? |
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| 14:34.26 | DevilChaos | same |
| 14:34.33 | Urmel | moin moin |
| 14:34.34 | asg | funky |
| 14:34.45 | Urmel | ich bräuchte mal hilfe |
| 14:34.52 | simonrvn | !de |
| 14:34.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 14:35.06 | zcy | configure: error: libmagic is missing - install it please |
| 14:35.22 | simonrvn | you need headers and stuff... |
| 14:35.30 | simonrvn | !tell zcy -about search |
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| 14:35.47 | asg | DevilChaos: you may wish to reboot and fsck the filesystems; there may be some corruption. If that doesn't help, I'm out of ideas. |
| 14:36.01 | zcy | but magic.h and libmagic.so is already in the path include and lib |
| 14:36.15 | DevilChaos | so why dont i want /tmp in ram? |
| 14:36.40 | cahoot | DevilChaos: you can disregard that |
| 14:36.51 | simonrvn | then either that ./configure script is fucked, or your environment is in some way (i would look at the script first, and maybe configure.in) |
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| 14:37.19 | DevilChaos | asg: ill give it a shot but am begining to think about full reinstall |
| 14:37.25 | Urmel | help# |
| 14:37.34 | Urmel | i need libstdc++.so.5 for debian |
| 14:37.41 | zcy | compile on x86 is ok , but on arm is not ok |
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| 14:37.52 | abrotman | Urmel: which verseion of debian ? |
| 14:38.00 | Urmel | moment |
| 14:38.03 | asg | DevilChaos: it should not be necessary to reinstall |
| 14:38.21 | DevilChaos | hope not anyway |
| 14:38.23 | Urmel | Debian Linux 4.0 |
| 14:38.36 | DevilChaos | Urmel:? |
| 14:38.57 | wols_ | !tell Urmel about search |
| 14:38.59 | Urmel | Debian Linux 4.0 |
| 14:39.10 | DevilChaos | Urmel: and? |
| 14:39.19 | oz123 | hello, can someone please help me resolve a 403 error problem on my localhost webserver ? |
| 14:39.37 | wols_ | !tell oz123 about anyone |
| 14:40.12 | Urmel | i need libstdc++.so.5 for debian 4.0 |
| 14:40.29 | oz123 | wols_, I am trying to run a cgi script. but I keep getting this 403 error, even though my permissions are right... |
| 14:40.42 | wols_ | Urmel: you repeat yourself. and I gave you a factoid |
| 14:40.45 | wols_ | !de |
| 14:40.45 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 14:40.52 | wols_ | Urmel: go there if you don't understand english |
| 14:41.19 | zcy | can you help me? |
| 14:41.39 | DevilChaos | arg no wonder you guys get annoyed |
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| 14:42.24 | DevilChaos | ill do some other research thanks for the help anyway |
| 14:42.26 | wols_ | zcy: configure creates logs. check them |
| 14:43.04 | oz123 | I keep getting "You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/ on this server." can someone please help ? |
| 14:43.31 | zcy | Ok , I try it , thank you. |
| 14:44.21 | wols_ | oz123: not unless you give _relevant_ information. like actual perms, .htaccess involved and the like |
| 14:45.05 | mange | if i managed to pull out a usb stick which was mounted, how can i remove the mount? not even umount -f works |
| 14:45.30 | oz123 | wols_, I have no .htaccess. My directories are debian's default. Nothing changed. I am trying to run a cgi-script located in /www/var/cgi-bin |
| 14:45.43 | oz123 | what else info is needed ? |
| 14:46.09 | wols_ | oz123: I told you. you don't provide them, I don't care anymore. goodbye |
| 14:46.27 | asg | mange: try umount -l |
| 14:46.37 | Akuw | i am using bcrypt , is there any beetter tool to encrypt ? |
| 14:46.49 | asg | tool to encrypt what? |
| 14:47.06 | Akuw | files |
| 14:47.08 | stew | oz123: check the error log and make sure that it is actually looking at /var/www/cgi-bin and not, for instance /usr/lib/cgi-bin. did you add the ExecCGI option to the directory? |
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| 14:47.19 | asg | Akuw: gpg |
| 14:47.58 | oz123 | stew, I'm a complete noob, so forgive me if I am asking dumb questions. |
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| 14:48.50 | mange | thanks, that worked asg |
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| 14:49.14 | oz123 | stew, in my http.conf there is a line saying Options ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch under /var/www/cgi-bin |
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| 14:49.30 | dams_ | no questions is dumb... well... ok, there's some, but not all |
| 14:49.52 | stew | oz123: find the line in /var/log/apache2/error.log that says exactly why permission is denied then |
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| 14:50.18 | korhojoa | hay |
| 14:50.25 | korhojoa | anyone know how to install wine on amd64? |
| 14:50.32 | stew | korhojoa: aptitude install wine |
| 14:50.40 | korhojoa | hm |
| 14:50.46 | oz123 | stew, I'm looking at it now |
| 14:50.51 | korhojoa | well. i'll try that. |
| 14:50.51 | stew | judd: versions wine --arch amd64 |
| 14:50.52 | judd | stew: wine: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.0.0-1 (lenny) 1.0.0-1 (sid) 1.1.5-1 (experimental) |
| 14:50.59 | stew | korhojoa: what versino of debian are you running? |
| 14:51.07 | korhojoa | No candidate version found for wine |
| 14:51.18 | korhojoa | Linux folder3 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 22:30:01 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:51.24 | abrotman | korhojoa: on etch? you need backports.org .. read instructions there |
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| 14:51.46 | korhojoa | it's just, i've got it all fine from source, except it can't find freetype fonts |
| 14:52.07 | korhojoa | that's what's stopping me, as well, programs don't really show anything. where there is supposed to be text, there is none. |
| 14:52.07 | oz123 | stew, found it. what am I looking for ? It doesn't say anything but "GET .... the file name, broswer name and so on" |
| 14:52.25 | stew | oz123: that sounds like the access log, not the error log |
| 14:52.32 | oz123 | ok |
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| 14:54.19 | korhojoa | so, any ideas on freetype fonts? |
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| 14:54.51 | oz123 | stew, it says: File does not exist: /var/www/var, |
| 14:55.14 | oz123 | stew, which explains it... some how it asking for the wrong location... |
| 14:57.12 | Tomsik | Is anyone from debian's freenode group around? We've got an issue with #debian-pl. |
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| 14:59.23 | abrotman | Tomsik: debian's freenode group ? |
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| 15:00.22 | Tomsik | People on #freenode told me that there's a "debian's group" that solve issues with debian channels here |
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| 15:00.46 | mange | has anyone had problems with the debian installer being unable to locate the iso files placed onto your boot media? |
| 15:00.47 | zxxd | anyone have problems with rsync segfaulting |
| 15:00.48 | Tomsik | they said that #debian-pl problems belong to debian's group |
| 15:01.09 | mange | i tried putting both mini.iso and netboot.tar.gz in the root of my usb stick, the installer can still not find it when searching (full search) |
| 15:01.12 | Tomsik | and freenode staff is not permitted to do anything about it |
| 15:01.15 | stew | Tomsik: you should start by talking with the ops for #debian-pl, you can get a list of ops with /msg chanserv access #debian-pl list |
| 15:01.23 | Tomsik | The thing is |
| 15:01.37 | Tomsik | that op on #debian-pl was last seen ten-eleven months ago |
| 15:01.44 | oz123 | stew, I still don't get why apache is looking for the file in this location /var/www/var I didn't specify such location ? |
| 15:01.47 | Tomsik | and we'd like to drop and re-register the channel |
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| 15:02.26 | stew | Tomsik: talk in private msg to either dondelelcaro or Ganneff |
| 15:02.27 | abrotman | Tomsik: why not just get a new op ? |
| 15:02.46 | Tomsik | well, that's an option too |
| 15:03.14 | Tomsik | stew: ok |
| 15:03.30 | stew | Tomsik: wait, the only person in the access list for that channel is freenode staff. so they should be able to help if you have an immediate problem |
| 15:03.48 | Tomsik | the thing is |
| 15:04.03 | Tomsik | freenode staff says the problem belongs to debian's group |
| 15:04.17 | Tomsik | and I have no idea who's in this debian's group |
| 15:04.42 | stew | Tomsik: you mean debian's group contacts, and I know who they are |
| 15:05.07 | stew | Tomsik: if there is an immediate problem, freenode staff can help you. if you need to have new ops added to the channel you need to talk to the group contacts |
| 15:05.27 | Tomsik | Well, the problem is not really immediate |
| 15:05.37 | Tomsik | that's why freenode staff told me to talk to group contacts |
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| 15:05.54 | Tomsik | so, dondelelcaro is a group contact? |
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| 15:06.35 | stew | Tomsik: i know that Ganneff is the group contact, I believe that dondelelcaro might be an approving contact. if don isn't he'll know who to talk to (which is probably Ganneff) |
| 15:07.23 | Tomsik | Thanks for the informations |
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| 15:12.07 | abrotman | thinks stew is going to boston tomorrow |
| 15:12.30 | enouf | abrotman: boston is going to lose? |
| 15:12.40 | abrotman | lose what? |
| 15:12.56 | enouf | their sox :-P |
| 15:13.07 | asg | !pantaloonsmite enouf |
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| 15:15.46 | Akuw | any tool to test CD surface ? |
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| 15:16.02 | enouf | Does anyone know if there are any {out-of-tree}modules which would require kernel source rather than just kernel headers to build? Especially debian pkg xxx-module-source pkgs? |
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| 15:16.14 | enouf | Akuw: could try readcd/readom |
| 15:16.26 | enouf | Akuw: see -c2scan option |
| 15:16.43 | enouf | Akuw: not sure about testing the 'surface' |
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| 15:17.01 | Akuw | damm |
| 15:17.06 | enouf | maybe use a smidgen of toothpaste ;-) rub lightly in a circular motion ;-) |
| 15:17.07 | Akuw | i am trying to cpoy a filee |
| 15:17.17 | Akuw | but when it reach 75%, i got error |
| 15:17.26 | enouf | Akuw: cdrw? |
| 15:17.33 | Akuw | no |
| 15:17.47 | enouf | Akuw: and the blanks keep failing? |
| 15:17.56 | enouf | test using -dummy with wodim |
| 15:18.17 | enouf | Akuw: oh, what error? try a slower burn speed? |
| 15:18.29 | Akuw | i just need to copy the file in CD to my desktop |
| 15:18.38 | enouf | huh? |
| 15:18.44 | Akuw | no copy CD to CD |
| 15:18.58 | enouf | so, it's a "reading cd" issue |
| 15:19.01 | enouf | ? |
| 15:19.19 | enouf | or, is your FS vfat or something? |
| 15:19.28 | enouf | details! |
| 15:20.26 | Akuw | let me try burning the cd |
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| 15:21.27 | Akuw | i will try making a CD image |
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| 15:22.21 | enouf | Also - in reference to my above question - does anyone recall if it was the linux-headers-2.6.26-xxxx that created a '/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source' symlink? i recall the /build symlink always there - but i'm not sure if messing stupid nvidia blobs or other stuff created the /source symlink |
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| 15:23.52 | Akuw | hummm, it works |
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| 15:33.02 | IamSOG | um... this is interesting, i though the I though all the server in repositories in Synaptic Package Manger gives the same data, but I guess not ! |
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| 15:35.20 | Loeken | I want to install ccsm and compiz-fusion packets on my etch system, and to download these, I need the sources to put in my sources.list file, where can I find these? |
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| 15:51.41 | korhojoa | hmm |
| 15:51.47 | korhojoa | there is no /proc/timer_list on my etch |
| 15:51.49 | korhojoa | what is this? |
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| 15:59.20 | Cha0tix | salut àtous |
| 15:59.33 | Cha0tix | je suis passé vendredi et l'un de vous m'a passé un super site pour configurer un serveur sous debian 4 |
| 15:59.42 | Cha0tix | malheureusement j'ai eut un pb et j'ai plus l'url |
| 15:59.46 | Cha0tix | vous auriez ça sous la main |
| 15:59.47 | Cha0tix | ? |
| 15:59.58 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:59.58 | dpkg | it has been said that fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:00.45 | Cha0tix | c'est pas de l'aide |
| 16:01.04 | Cha0tix | i'm just asking for a website |
| 16:01.11 | Cha0tix | what is the utility of this channel if you can't speak into? |
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| 16:01.26 | quittt | francais |
| 16:01.45 | abrotman | Cha0tix: we just ask for english |
| 16:01.54 | abrotman | Cha0tix: there is a french channel if you prefer |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | Cha0tix: a website for what? |
| 16:02.20 | dudeman | tell abrotman -about enter |
| 16:02.22 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:02.39 | themill | heh |
| 16:03.05 | Cha0tix | installing a debian server |
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| 16:03.44 | themill | !ig |
| 16:03.44 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 16:04.43 | rahsputin | Hi! I am trying to make a "LiveCD" with dfsbuild(DebianFromScratch) using Etch (2.6kernel)... the LiveCD has a the latest 2.4Kernel.... how do i build /lib/modules since the config file of dfsbuild wants to use my Local /lib/modules ? |
| 16:05.02 | emma | Hey guys, when you are installing and it gives choices like: desktop environment .. web server .. standard system.. |
| 16:05.08 | emma | what does standard system entail? |
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| 16:05.51 | abrotman | emma: aptitude search "~pstandard" |
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| 16:06.09 | GarulfoUnix | Hi everyone |
| 16:06.10 | themill | thinks abrotman is channelling stew |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | only way i know how! |
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| 16:06.40 | extor | Can someone tell me if the latest linux kernel has a patch for this BIOS bug: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=157232 |
| 16:06.55 | emma | abrotman: I'm installing debian so i cannot aptitude search it. |
| 16:07.01 | themill | emma: it installs the standard set of utilities that anyone would expect a linux box to have |
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| 16:07.10 | emma | themill: okay. |
| 16:07.15 | GarulfoUnix | i've got a small problem with Iceweasel. The first is i cannot install java plugins in it. The second is i cannot connect me to my hotmail account. |
| 16:07.16 | abrotman | emma: why not? aptitude is installed by now |
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| 16:07.23 | abrotman | GarulfoUnix: amd64? |
| 16:07.30 | emma | abrotman: i'm in the install screens. |
| 16:07.36 | GarulfoUnix | yes i'm using Debian Sid on amd64. |
| 16:07.45 | abrotman | emma: hit alt-f3 .. use the console |
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| 16:07.56 | emma | abrotman: sounds risky. |
| 16:08.00 | themill | emma: This includes standard command line utilities like perl, python, reportbug, less etc. |
| 16:08.04 | legis | there is no Xen support in lenny right/ |
| 16:08.18 | abrotman | emma: this is not difficult .. but neither was removing xfce4 .. do it the hard way if you want |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | legis: there isn't? |
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| 16:08.28 | rahsputin | Hi! I am trying to make a "LiveCD" with dfsbuild(DebianFromScratch) using Etch (2.6kernel)... the LiveCD has a the latest 2.4Kernel.... how do i build /lib/modules since the config file of dfsbuild wants to use my Local /lib/modules ? |
| 16:08.45 | emma | abrotman: one persons's hardway is another persons 'keeping it in front of them so it makes sense' |
| 16:08.46 | themill | legis: sort of. /msg dpkg xen and read the wiki page about it |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | GarulfoUnix: apt-cache search java plugin .. icedtea is there |
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| 16:09.03 | abrotman | emma: that makes no sense at all .. but have fun |
| 16:09.14 | legis | abrotman: looks like not, only with a etch kernel I think |
| 16:09.15 | legis | themill: ok |
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| 16:09.45 | emma | abrotman: in the same spirit many people told me not to even use debian. They said, 'you can just set up a vm in ubuntu'. |
| 16:09.52 | emma | I said, no i have to buy another computer and put debian on it. |
| 16:10.01 | emma | that way it all stays in front of me and it makes sense. |
| 16:10.18 | abrotman | right ... |
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| 16:11.47 | emma | abrotman: i guess you don't get where I'm coming from |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | i'd rather not :) |
| 16:14.42 | emma | abrotman: it's like if you come to NYC and you say "I want to get to time square". Someone who lives here will say, oh that's easy, just get on the M21 to the 1,2,3 trains downtown and get of at 42nd street. Which would be easy and fast. For them. |
| 16:15.01 | emma | But you would say, 'no thanks, I'll just walk, that way I can see what's happening and know where I am at all times'. |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | sounds easy and fast to me |
| 16:15.19 | emma | Well it's a metaphor. |
| 16:15.55 | abrotman | not a good one :) |
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| 16:16.49 | wols_ | emma: while you don't have aptitude search, you DO have pdo and a browser |
| 16:17.02 | emma | yeah. |
| 16:17.17 | emma | I have another machine i'm on right now. Im using a KVM switch. |
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| 16:19.18 | emma | wols_: you are an interesting fellow. I wish I knew as much about linux as you do. |
| 16:20.06 | wols_ | emma: flattery will piss me off. and you've been in here long enough to have seen the search factoid |
| 16:20.16 | wols_ | not to mention you native ubuntu has the saame facility |
| 16:20.37 | emma | ubuntu has aptitude it does not have pstandard as a package to be searched. |
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| 16:21.38 | subsume | This may be a stupid question but how can I figure out if the debian package 'python-tz' is the same as the 'pytz' project? |
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| 16:22.29 | nkuttler | subsume: /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright usually |
| 16:22.32 | stew | simonrvn: you can look at the copyright file on http://packages.debian.org/python-tz which should say where it was downloaded from |
| 16:22.42 | stew | subsume: ^^^ |
| 16:22.55 | dudeman | hey stew |
| 16:23.05 | subsume | Great! |
| 16:23.06 | dudeman | may I msg real quick |
| 16:23.18 | stew | ok |
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| 16:23.50 | simonrvn | stew: i don't feel like it. |
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| 16:24.35 | simonrvn | good thing you can't see my face right now ;p |
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| 16:26.22 | dudeman | lol |
| 16:26.37 | dudeman | simonrvn, I see your face everyday! |
| 16:26.49 | simonrvn | static pic |
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| 16:26.51 | dudeman | :D |
| 16:26.56 | Akuw | any tool to encrypt file using AES ? |
| 16:26.56 | dudeman | change it! |
| 16:27.07 | dudeman | Akuw, posisbly |
| 16:27.08 | emma | !x |
| 16:27.12 | dudeman | emma, /msg dpkg |
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| 16:28.24 | simonrvn | oh yeh like i'm going to put up an anim. .gif |
| 16:28.30 | dudeman | p aespipe - AES-encryption tool with loop-AES support |
| 16:28.35 | dudeman | simonrvn, you should! |
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| 16:29.47 | simonrvn | um, no. |
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| 16:31.03 | simonrvn | it would have to be done in a classy way |
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| 16:33.19 | GarulfoUnix | abrotman: thank you, i installed the icedtea-gcjwebplugin package and that works now :) . |
| 16:33.36 | abrotman | GarulfoUnix: glad to hear it |
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| 16:37.24 | korhojoa | dpkg |
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| 16:39.14 | gnat_x | i'm trying to figure out which processes are using the sound card. for some reason some game or another blocks other games from using the card. if i run alsaconfig, it will solve the problem. i'm guessing its just some improperly closed process hanging around blocking it - and i would rather just kill it myself. however i'm not sure how to determine that. |
| 16:39.32 | gnat_x | its possible because that's the first thing the alsa config utility does. |
| 16:39.41 | gnat_x | i'm just not sure how. |
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| 16:42.04 | cahoot | gnat_x: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:43.06 | gnat_x | cahoot: great. thank you. |
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| 16:46.31 | gnat_x | shocking. it was npviewer.bin (flash player) that was blocking access to the sound card for some apps. |
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| 16:47.05 | themill | gnat_x: it's usually the fault of flash. If in doubt, blame flash. |
| 16:47.52 | cahoot | gnat_x: what was npviewer bound to? |
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| 16:48.13 | gnat_x | cahoot: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: |
| 16:48.29 | cahoot | so it uses alsa |
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| 16:48.37 | themill | emma: that aptitude search "~pstandard" isn't searching for a package called pstandard, it's searching for packages with a priority (~p) of standard. If you install the aptitude-doc package and look through /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html, you'll find lots more information on using aptitude searches. |
| 16:48.39 | cahoot | misuses |
| 16:48.44 | gnat_x | cahoot: right. |
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| 16:52.11 | ech0dish | managed to get debian to install on that dell poweredge 2500 :) |
| 16:52.32 | ech0dish | had to use the businesscard install image |
| 16:53.55 | Akuw | i have some problems wth aespipe |
| 16:54.10 | Akuw | i am using aespipe -d <a.aes >a.new |
| 16:54.24 | Akuw | but when i cat a.new i see all encrypted |
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| 16:57.15 | Akuw | ok, i did it |
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| 17:02.54 | Loeken | I get a strange error when I try to start compiz-config-settings-manager, I type # ccsm - I get this error "Info: No sexy-python package found, don´t worry it´s optional. |
| 17:03.17 | Loeken | PyGtk 2.10.0 or later required" |
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| 17:06.35 | simonrvn | read the message, one bit at a time if need be. |
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| 17:08.57 | Loeken | I forgot - I have installed "python-gtk v2.8-6-8" |
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| 17:10.36 | simonrvn | that's no good |
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| 17:11.20 | abrotman | Loeken: which version of debian is this? |
| 17:11.25 | Loeken | 4.0 |
| 17:11.32 | amphi | etch, sounds like |
| 17:11.36 | Loeken | yeah |
| 17:11.39 | abrotman | Loeken: and where did you get compiz from ? |
| 17:11.41 | simonrvn | indeed, it is |
| 17:11.57 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 17:12.05 | Loeken | I searched for a source, found one, added it to sources.list and then downloaded it |
| 17:12.12 | abrotman | Loeken: and where did you get compiz from ? |
| 17:12.18 | amphi | Loeken: the repository of shame? |
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| 17:12.58 | Loeken | ... |
| 17:13.40 | Loeken | Where should I get compiz from? |
| 17:13.44 | abrotman | i want to know which repository you used |
| 17:14.39 | simonrvn | something built for etch, what else... |
| 17:15.00 | Loeken | well, Im on my laptop now (not on the debian computer) but I could find out, but could you please give me the "correct" source? |
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| 17:26.02 | amphi | Loeken: you should upgrade to lenny IMHO |
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| 17:35.44 | thirst | i am trying to connect to my wireless network using iwconfig, any link on how to get that done |
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| 17:36.16 | phanter | hi there... |
| 17:36.34 | abrotman | thirst: what have you tried? and what doesn't work? |
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| 17:38.13 | thirst | abrotman, i tried "iwconfig wlan0 essid MyNetworkName" -- that works.. i use WPA1 ... but when I try "iwconfig wlan0 key mykeyisthis" it gives an error.. how do is specify my password ? |
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| 17:38.47 | thirst | abrotman, also "iwlist wlan0 scanning" shows my wireless network. |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | and the error is? |
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| 17:40.33 | thirst | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "mykeyisthis" |
| 17:41.36 | Gm4n | can procmail write to a maildir? |
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| 17:42.26 | Gm4n | (I've been trying for quite some time now, and it keeps writing to /var/mail/username instead of ~/Maildir) |
| 17:43.05 | hayalci | Hi, I have my own SSL CA in /etc/ssl/certs and it is correctly hashed. but when I try to verify a client cert using openssl like this, it fails. " openssl s_client -connect host.example.com:443 " |
| 17:43.11 | hayalci | it says Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) |
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| 17:43.29 | hayalci | when I use -CAfile or -CApath, it verifies correctly |
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| 17:43.41 | hayalci | doesn't debian use that directory for CA certs ? |
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| 17:44.00 | _coredump_ | nabend |
| 17:44.04 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 17:44.48 | j_engelh | Is there something like rpm --rebuilddb for dpkg? |
| 17:44.52 | Strogg | I've got a package that is only partly installed (docbook-xml).. how do I get it to install all the way? I've tried apt-get install -f and dpkg-reconfigure with no luck |
| 17:45.10 | Eulex | j_engelh, which does what? |
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| 17:45.27 | j_engelh | optimize and rebuild the database |
| 17:45.40 | j_engelh | dpkg -S /foo is kinda becoming slow |
| 17:45.40 | dpkg | There is no record of a /foo is kinda becoming slow package |
| 17:46.16 | Strogg | do you use dpkg -S that often that it matters? |
| 17:46.30 | j_engelh | not just -S; it also affect apt-get install |
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| 17:46.57 | Eulex | j_engelh, there is no such database to optimize and rebuild. |
| 17:47.09 | j_engelh | then what's all the disk io about that dpkg -S does |
| 17:48.03 | Eulex | what I mean is that there is no database that can be optimized |
| 17:48.08 | j_engelh | I see... /var/lib/dpkg/info is full of filelists -.- |
| 17:48.31 | phanter | Hey, I use debian lenny on a eeepc 900. My problem is that my debian does not want to boot when I have something connected to my usb connector (like a mouse of usb stick) |
| 17:48.39 | Eulex | j_engelh, you might want to take a look at apt-file. |
| 17:48.41 | phanter | anybody an idea how to solve that? |
| 17:48.48 | stew | j_engelh: dlocate is much faster than dpkg -S |
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| 17:49.16 | stew | phanter: switch your bootloader and fstab to use UUIDs instead of device names |
| 17:49.20 | mythomaniac | can anyone help me get lenny daily build net-install (10-12-08) boot on my laptop, it seems to hang right after selecting install: booting the kernel? |
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| 17:49.53 | j_engelh | stew: by 50% |
| 17:49.57 | Strogg | yar! there we got. got it to work :) |
| 17:50.06 | phanter | stew: oke, never heard of that problem. Does debian lenny not use UUIDs? And how do I actually do that? |
| 17:50.20 | Strogg | uninstalling docbook-xml via dpkg -r and then doing the apt-get got things running again |
| 17:51.39 | stew | phanter: i'm just assuming that the problem is that your boot partition is on /dev/sda, but when you have a usb drive plugged in it gets /dev/sda and your boot volume gets /dev/sdb. instead of using "/dev/sda1" or whatever in /etc/fstab and in /boot/grub/menu.lst, you could use somethign like UUID=12341234 where 12341234 is the acutal partition's uuid |
| 17:51.51 | stew | phanter: you can find the uuid by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 17:53.05 | phanter | stew: hmm, because of other problems I already have I think you are right (after the install grub pointed to hdcX instead hdbX, but the isntall was from a usb disk) |
| 17:53.28 | phanter | i used uuid before. |
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| 17:53.40 | phanter | but does debian not use them by default? And why not :) |
| 17:53.52 | j_engelh | rpm -qf: 0.060s, dlocate: 0.168s, dpkg -S: 0.260s, apt-file: 2.116s (with incorrect results even) |
| 17:54.39 | mythomaniac | anyone explain why lenny net-install takes over 10 min. to boot on a HP Pavilion dv6810us, Turion 64 X2 2GHz with 3 gig ram? |
| 17:55.09 | stew | phanter: debian doesn't use them by default currently. it probably will for squeeze |
| 17:55.27 | phanter | oke, thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 18:01.50 | hayalci | Hi, I have my own SSL CA cert (root certificate) in /etc/ssl/certs and it is correctly hashed. but when I try to verify a client cert using openssl like this, it fails. " openssl s_client -connect host.example.com:443 " it says "Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate)" when I use -CAfile or -CApath, it verifies correctly. doesn't debian use /etc/ssl/certs directory for CA certs, how can I fix this issue ? |
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| 18:03.16 | Akuw | is there any tool to make md5 to a text? |
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| 18:03.35 | keith4_ | "to make md5 to a text"? |
| 18:04.13 | pleed_ | How can i look up to what package a file belongs ? |
| 18:04.23 | keith4_ | apt-file |
| 18:04.28 | irit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.38 | keith4_ | !tell pleed_ about search |
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| 18:05.39 | j_engelh | apt-file is slow! :P |
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| 18:06.09 | keith4_ | j_engelh: true. and? |
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| 18:06.20 | Gm4n | Akuw: besides md5sum? |
| 18:06.23 | stew | Akuw: man md5sum ? |
| 18:06.28 | keith4_ | go compare yum to apt, if you have so much spare time |
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| 18:07.57 | Akuw | i want for exmple get md5 to hello word |
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| 18:08.15 | hayalci | Akuw: put the text in a file and md5sum the file |
| 18:08.24 | keith4_ | echo -n "hello world" | md5sum |
| 18:08.24 | pleed_ | On my debian lenny xen server, there are really a lot of "/bin/sh -e /lib/udev/net.agent" processes spawning "sleep 1" processes. PIDs are increasing pretty fast and CPU has got 4-5 % load (amd64 x2 6000+) , can anyone comment on this? |
| 18:10.18 | Gm4n | is there any way to cause mail to deliver into a directory besides ~/Maildir? (say, a subfolder) |
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| 18:10.39 | daemonmidi | Gm4n: man procmail? |
| 18:10.40 | keith4_ | Gm4n: configure your MDA |
| 18:10.46 | keith4_ | procmail, maildrop, etc. |
| 18:11.06 | Gm4n | I've been tryign with procmail for quite some time now, but it keeps delivering into the main maildir |
| 18:11.23 | Gm4n | even though .promailrc says "MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/.Trash/" |
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| 18:11.28 | keith4_ | procmail can be a tricky beast |
| 18:12.09 | keith4_ | Gm4n: turn on logging in your .procmailrc |
| 18:12.16 | Gm4n | I did turn on logging |
| 18:12.18 | hayalci | Is there a way to give " SSL CA Path" parameter to c-client IMAP library ? /usr/share/doc/libc-client2007b/naming.txt.gz and imaprc.txt.gz does not state any, but just asking :) |
| 18:12.37 | keith4_ | Gm4n: and what does the log say? |
| 18:12.48 | Gm4n | Folder: /home/xxxxx/Maildir/new/ |
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| 18:13.09 | RichiH | is there a tool that will record a video of one window? |
| 18:14.30 | nkuttler | RichiH: search for screencast |
| 18:14.44 | daemonmidi | su |
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| 18:15.32 | enouf | RichiH: recordmydesktop? xvidcap? |
| 18:15.34 | RichiH | nkuttler: any idea if byzanz or istanbul are better? |
| 18:15.44 | nkuttler | RichiH: never done any |
| 18:15.53 | enouf | neither |
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| 18:16.06 | abrotman | RichiH: byzanz says it will do a selected portion .. but does it as animated gif |
| 18:17.08 | Gm4n | keith4_: lots of pairs of lines, first saying subject and second saying Folder: /home/user/Maildir/new/<long string>.mail |
| 18:17.35 | keith4_ | Gm4n: dunno. I use maildrop with maildir. We use procmail at my "real" job, but that's mbox still |
| 18:18.01 | Gm4n | I don't mind using maildrop or procmail, but I can't get maildrop to write to a maildir subfolder either |
| 18:18.39 | keith4_ | Gm4n: this works for me: http://rafb.net/p/KVcWqZ62.html |
| 18:18.46 | daemonmidi | Gm4n: may sound silly - did you check permissions for folders, etc... |
| 18:18.57 | Gm4n | ah, to needs full path? |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | RichiH: istanbul says you can select a window |
| 18:19.09 | Gm4n | yeah, I'm positive on permissions. I've been very careful to do this all as the same user |
| 18:20.13 | keith4_ | Gm4n: here's my procmailrc. again, it's using mbox, though. http://rafb.net/p/zCnMd927.html |
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| 18:20.30 | keith4_ | iirc, just adding a trailing slash tells procmail that it's maildir, though. |
| 18:21.00 | Gm4n | yeah, I've been doing that, it's just been disagreeing |
| 18:21.19 | Gm4n | thanks for the mailfilter and procmailrc, this should keep me occupied for a while :P |
| 18:22.31 | keith4_ | Gm4n: fwiw, this is the reference I always use, when writing procmail filters: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-email-procmail.html |
| 18:23.18 | keith4_ | oh, and this one: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~ian/procmail.html |
| 18:23.25 | Gm4n | wow, awesome! thanks! |
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| 18:25.36 | irit | can anyone help me define a new keyboard entry in xkb file /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/macintosh |
| 18:25.39 | irit | ? |
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| 18:27.01 | fairway | hi |
| 18:27.17 | fairway | sorry offtopic, but does anyone know how to save an openoffice 3.0 calc spreadsheet with password encryption? |
| 18:27.32 | netsrot | anybody here tried noip2 client on etch? it's saying "Address check every 1 minute, directly connected via /dev/eth1" but that file doesn't seem to exist but I do have eth1 when I run ifconfig. |
| 18:27.49 | fairway | when are the icore7 chips in store expected? |
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| 18:30.09 | raekism_ | What is the command to get the linux-headers? |
| 18:30.28 | raekism_ | I have them in place but I am getting an error when the application is looking for them...... |
| 18:30.46 | stefon | raekism: did you install the headers via: aptitude install linux-headers ? |
| 18:30.51 | raekism_ | C header files matching your running kernel were not found. Refer to your distribution's documentation for installation instructions. |
| 18:30.57 | raekism_ | stefon yes |
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| 18:31.25 | stefon | raekism: did you install the headers matching the running kernel? type uname -a |
| 18:31.31 | raekism_ | it was running yesterday (vmware) and I rebooted the machine and now the services wont start. When I try to launch the app it is looking for the linux headers |
| 18:31.35 | raekism_ | Yes |
| 18:31.51 | raekism_ | should I try to reinstall? |
| 18:32.07 | raekism_ | I ran something like aptitude install linux-headers 'uname -a' |
| 18:32.23 | stefon | raekism: you could try ro reinstall.. shouldn |
| 18:32.31 | netsrot | Should there be a /dev/eth1 file? or where is it? |
| 18:32.39 | stefon | raekism: you could try ro reinstall.. shouldn't hurt.. i dont know if it helps |
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| 18:33.28 | abrotman | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:33.45 | Tetracomm | Does anyone know of any Car computer tuning software for Linux? |
| 18:34.02 | Gm4n | keith4_: thanks to your .mailfilter, I got things working, thanks! |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | Tetracomm: google ? |
| 18:34.34 | Gm4n | is the best way to forward and also locally recieve mail procmail/maildrop or something on the MTA level? |
| 18:34.39 | Tetracomm | I already looked. |
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| 18:36.21 | UniXoiDe | hello all |
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| 18:36.44 | UniXoiDe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.03 | UniXoiDe | I copied the same passwd passwd- group group shadow shadow and *tdb to new server |
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| 18:37.14 | UniXoiDe | I set local ID and domain ID |
| 18:37.32 | UniXoiDe | same to the old server |
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| 18:38.08 | UniXoiDe | but I can't do cleanly new authentication from XP client |
| 18:38.10 | esthar | I'm trying to configure passwordless SSH logins from my workstation to me server. I would like to make my user on my workstation have public keys configured for ALL users on my server at ONCE, not just 1-to-1. Is this possible? |
| 18:38.15 | UniXoiDe | any help ! |
| 18:38.52 | Gm4n | esthar: yeah, cat your public key onto each authorized_keys file |
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| 18:39.09 | esthar | Gm4n: For every user then? |
| 18:39.14 | Gm4n | yeah |
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| 18:39.48 | esthar | So every user on my workstation must have it's public key concatonated onto every user on the server's authorized_keys file? |
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| 18:41.08 | GNUtoo-desktop | hello, how do I reply to a bug...i must tell that it has been forwarded... |
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| 18:42.09 | raekism_ | Thanks all that worked |
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| 18:43.10 | Gm4n | esthar: or every user on your workstation could have the same public key... |
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| 18:43.30 | esthar | Gm4n: Would they need the same private key as well? |
| 18:43.40 | Gm4n | yes |
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| 18:44.07 | esthar | Gm4n: Cool, that worked. |
| 18:44.51 | esthar | Gm4n: Would it be stupid to use the same private/public keyu across all users of my 2 servers and workstations to simplify the setup process? |
| 18:45.44 | Gm4n | esthar: the users on the server don't need that keypair, they just need it in the authorized_keys file |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | GNUtoo-desktop: bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:46.05 | esthar | Gm4n: Well I like logging into the servers from each other, not just the desktop. |
| 18:46.27 | GNUtoo-desktop | abrotman, should i use the bugreport uttility again? |
| 18:46.30 | Gm4n | ah... well, it depends if anyone else can log into those server accounts |
| 18:46.42 | Gm4n | you wouldn't want someone to log in and suddenly have access to all of your everything |
| 18:46.42 | abrotman | GNUtoo-desktop: no .. just a mail client |
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| 18:47.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | abrotman, ah...so how does it get routerd to the good bug? |
| 18:47.30 | GNUtoo-desktop | abrotman, i reply to the mail sent to my mailbox? |
| 18:47.30 | UniXoiDe | can any one help plz ! |
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| 18:48.00 | abrotman | GNUtoo-desktop: you can if you want to .. but i said .. you send bug#@bugs.debian.org .. like send an email to 234263@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:48.32 | GNUtoo-desktop | abrotman, sorry i read to fast...bug# |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:50.11 | GNUtoo-desktop | but how do i change the bug status? |
| 18:50.18 | GNUtoo-desktop | and thanks for your help |
| 18:50.33 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 18:51.17 | GNUtoo-desktop | thanks |
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| 18:51.47 | Papillon_ | débian, c'est parce que c'est pas bian ? |
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| 18:54.57 | themill | !fr |
| 18:54.58 | dpkg | from memory, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:58.22 | esaym | stuff in /etc/rcS.d is ran at shutdown right? |
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| 18:58.41 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:59.02 | abrotman | that's not necessarily how it works |
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| 19:00.12 | pedro__ | which is the best filesystem? |
| 19:00.17 | pedro__ | for Debian |
| 19:00.24 | dvs | pedro__: to do what? |
| 19:00.25 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. ext3 |
| 19:00.25 | surround1r | the pink one! |
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| 19:02.54 | enouf | goes for the deeper magenta one |
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| 19:03.25 | enouf | esaym: why? and no, as mentioned |
| 19:03.29 | nxmehta | what's the difference between lp and lpr? |
| 19:03.31 | dihymo | is there a way to transfer nicotine settings to museekd? |
| 19:03.39 | pedro__ | ext3? |
| 19:03.43 | pedro__ | and reiserfs? |
| 19:04.08 | enouf | pedro__: don't use reiserfs 3.6 unless you read all about it prior |
| 19:04.13 | esaym | enouf: n/m I read it is only ran at startup (instead of shut down) that is what I want. I need to set a spin down time limit for a hard drive... |
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| 19:04.33 | enouf | esaym: it does only run at startup |
| 19:04.51 | enouf | esaym: spin down? what happens, the bus falls asleep? |
| 19:07.10 | esaym | enouf: No I added a backup hard drive. It will only be accessed a couple of times a week. So no need for it to always be running. I modified /etc/hdparm correctly and /etc/init.d/hdparm is linked to /etc/rcS. I am just making sure that it will run at start up (which it will) |
| 19:07.36 | esaym | correction /etc/hdparm.conf* |
| 19:07.44 | sarefo_home | what other program is usually present for pdf display, apart from kpdf (on kde)? |
| 19:08.08 | wols_ | sarefo_home: evince, xpdf or shitty acrobat reader |
| 19:08.10 | enouf | sarefo_home: many - |
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| 19:08.32 | Lagbolt | sarefo_home, and kpdf if you like kde |
| 19:08.39 | Lagbolt | oh wait |
| 19:08.40 | enouf | that shitty but faster one is called acroread from dmm sarefo_home |
| 19:08.42 | Lagbolt | you said not that lol |
| 19:08.47 | Lagbolt | i am so sleepy. thats it for me |
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| 19:09.08 | enouf | i guess even ghostview |
| 19:09.20 | sarefo_home | Lagbolt: that's what i'm usually using, but it happens to segfault on this one specific file. thx for evince, that's the one i was looking for, couldn't remember the name :) |
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| 19:09.30 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 19:09.37 | cousin_luigi | how does one disable ipv6? |
| 19:09.44 | enouf | don't bother |
| 19:09.57 | enouf | on etch? |
| 19:10.01 | cousin_luigi | yeah |
| 19:10.03 | Lagbolt | sarefo_home, i use acroread, xpdf and evince. all work fine for me. it is all about preference. |
| 19:10.05 | dvs | enouf: really? you can't? |
| 19:10.13 | pedro__ | how old is the last Debian's version? |
| 19:10.14 | enouf | no, you can, but why? |
| 19:10.20 | dvs | !etch |
| 19:10.20 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
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| 19:10.33 | dvs | 18 months, not too bad. |
| 19:10.34 | Z4ndX | Hello .. |
| 19:10.44 | enouf | blacklist it - in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases or that other file |
| 19:10.48 | cousin_luigi | ah ok |
| 19:10.57 | enouf | maybe even initramfs blacklist it |
| 19:11.07 | cousin_luigi | ? |
| 19:11.13 | cousin_luigi | why that too? |
| 19:11.15 | Z4ndX | Does anybody know how i list all files in one folder in a txt document ? |
| 19:11.19 | dvs | enouf: ok. I thought you meant that it was impossible. |
| 19:11.23 | enouf | cousin_luigi: it depends where it loads from |
| 19:11.30 | enouf | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | well, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 19:11.44 | dvs | Z4ndX: ls -l > file.txt |
| 19:11.46 | dvs | ?? |
| 19:11.58 | Z4ndX | dvs: Nice .. thanks :) |
| 19:12.02 | dvs | np |
| 19:12.03 | enouf | dvs: anything is possible with enough effort ;-) |
| 19:12.09 | dvs | heh |
| 19:14.08 | Z4ndX | dvs: Do you know how to count all folder i one folder ? .. |
| 19:14.17 | Z4ndX | folders* |
| 19:14.24 | enouf | cousin_luigi: if you come back and say "it doesn't work" i'm going to 1st smack you, .. or i want you to tell me exactly what you did |
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| 19:14.29 | sarefo_home | Z4ndX: try out 'wc' (word count) |
| 19:14.30 | wols_ | Z4ndX: that makes no sense whatsoever |
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| 19:14.33 | dvs | Z4ndX: I don't know what you mean |
| 19:14.43 | sarefo_home | something like ls|wc |
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| 19:15.03 | enouf | Z4ndX: ls -l | grep ^d | wc -l <-- what a hack |
| 19:15.07 | firebird619 | Does anyone know why my external burner spins up and down repeatedly (with a disk in it) in Debian, yet the drive works great on a Windows PC and an Ubuntu Live cd. Is there something I can do/change in Debian that will resolve this issue? |
| 19:15.15 | dvs | wols_: I think he means count the number of folders in a folder. |
| 19:15.15 | cousin_luigi | enouf: should I also do something in the aliases file? |
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| 19:15.24 | Z4ndX | enouf: damn :) .. I will try it :) |
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| 19:15.58 | Z4ndX | enouf: Nice .. Just what i was looking for .. thanks |
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| 19:17.55 | enouf | cousin_luigi: either uncomment "#alias net-pf-10 off" in file:///etc/modules.conf and/or comment out "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" in file:///etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 19:18.13 | enouf | you're on your own though as far as what else get's broken |
| 19:18.19 | cousin_luigi | oh |
| 19:18.37 | cousin_luigi | why would it? |
| 19:18.47 | enouf | why do you want to disable it? |
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| 19:19.16 | enouf | cousin_luigi: i know people who just rm the module :-P (i do NOT recommend that) |
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| 19:19.22 | cousin_luigi | err |
| 19:19.31 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:19.32 | cousin_luigi | I was looking for a clean solution:) |
| 19:19.46 | stepomaticc | 1 |
| 19:20.02 | pedro__ | who here use Debian stable? |
| 19:20.13 | dvs | pedro__: not I said the cat. |
| 19:20.16 | wols_ | pedro__: ask your real question |
| 19:20.27 | pedro__ | wols_, it is |
| 19:20.33 | wols_ | bullshit. it is not |
| 19:20.40 | dvs | !polls |
| 19:20.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:20.40 | pedro__ | wols_, I want to know what people are thinking of it |
| 19:20.54 | paxcoder | what's the root pass fro live debian? |
| 19:21.00 | wols_ | pedro__: this is a debian SUPPORT channel. do you have a debian problem? |
| 19:21.29 | dvs | pedro__: it sounds like you want to use Debian for a specific purpose. |
| 19:21.47 | pedro__ | wols_, yes |
| 19:22.05 | wols_ | pedro__: then ask it. and a poll is NOT a support problem btw |
| 19:22.08 | enouf | cousin_luigi: i guess you don't like to answer questions - so maybe i should behave the same .. sigh |
| 19:22.13 | pedro__ | I want to know what people who are using stable are thinking of it, because some people say it is a bit "old |
| 19:22.24 | enouf | !tias pedro__ |
| 19:22.28 | enouf | grah |
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| 19:22.41 | wols_ | pedro__: this is outside of the scope of this channel. not a debian support question |
| 19:22.57 | pedro__ | wols_, why you answer all my questions? |
| 19:22.57 | enouf | pedro__: some people think G W Bush + Cheney are not the devil x2 |
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| 19:23.29 | wols_ | pedro__: do you have a debian support question? a REAL one? if not: be quiet please |
| 19:23.39 | wols_ | or go to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:23.49 | Papillon_ | G W Bush no exisit, it's a 3D image synthetised for people. |
| 19:23.57 | enouf | holograph! |
| 19:24.06 | Papillon_ | Holograph! |
| 19:24.14 | pedro__ | I'm asking if the people who are using Debian Stable are unconfortable with the a bit old "repository" in order to have an opinion |
| 19:24.18 | dvs | gets his butterfly net |
| 19:24.24 | pedro__ | wols_, you're horrible pragmatic... |
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| 19:24.36 | wols_ | and you are horribly ignorant. |
| 19:25.09 | pedro__ | wols_, ok nice, now I know the person I'm chatting with |
| 19:25.10 | pedro__ | =] |
| 19:25.19 | wols_ | if they use it they can't be uncomfortable about it since they fucking use it when other alternatives are available. now GTFO if you don't have a support question |
| 19:25.24 | Papillon_ | you are a cheese |
| 19:25.57 | enouf | pedro__: please just stop - thanks |
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| 19:26.13 | vyrgozunqk | hi guys, can you i change the quit message of pidgin in irc ? |
| 19:26.16 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 19:26.30 | wols_ | vyrgozunqk: tried /quit <message>? |
| 19:26.36 | vyrgozunqk | no, tnx |
| 19:26.37 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
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| 19:26.47 | vyrgozunqk | i haven't thinked about it |
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| 19:27.04 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: careful, you might hurt yourself |
| 19:27.06 | enouf | :-P |
| 19:27.10 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | vyrgozunqk: ask #pidgin |
| 19:27.38 | vyrgozunqk | don't laugh, i usually don't use IRC ;) |
| 19:27.51 | enouf | we can't tell |
| 19:27.53 | dvs | I never know pidgin can use IRC. |
| 19:28.12 | abrotman | dvs: we wish it didn't :) |
| 19:28.18 | vyrgozunqk | dvs, i'm here with pidgin, now ;) |
| 19:28.28 | enouf | hands dvs a barrel of mibbits |
| 19:29.14 | vyrgozunqk | greet : Opus - Life is Life |
| 19:29.17 | dvs | abrotman: heh |
| 19:29.19 | vyrgozunqk | =] |
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| 19:30.59 | Papillon_ | vyrgozunqk, i am dead, lala la lala ! i am dead, lala lalala ! :-) the life is not the life it's a lie, the life is the dead because when you life all it's possible. |
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| 19:31.28 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 19:32.16 | Bladesman | Anyone get an exim4 mailserver working with dyndns.com, or know where I can find a howto to set one up? |
| 19:32.24 | Papillon_ | It's possible, money kill your life. |
| 19:32.32 | vyrgozunqk | there's some true in your words ;) |
| 19:33.14 | vyrgozunqk | everything material kills a part of your life... |
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| 19:33.47 | swa | yep ..especially irc ... @_x |
| 19:33.54 | Bladesman | If you're gonna die anyway, might as well have material. |
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| 19:34.09 | Papillon_ | no, because when your life realy, you creat material and destruct material like all game with 3D matrix |
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| 19:34.39 | spaceninja | is aptitude built on top of apt-get or dpkg? |
| 19:35.01 | spaceninja | I know apt-get is dpkg |
| 19:35.06 | pedro__ | tell me something |
| 19:35.12 | spaceninja | front end |
| 19:35.21 | enouf | spaceninja: what? |
| 19:35.21 | pedro__ | when the applications from Debian Stable were made ? |
| 19:35.33 | enouf | !tell spaceninja -about reference |
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| 19:36.37 | wols_ | spaceninja: neither |
| 19:36.50 | wols_ | spaceninja: apt-get CALLS dpkg but is not built on top |
| 19:37.00 | wols_ | aptitude is yet another program using libapt like apt-get |
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| 19:37.43 | wols_ | pedro__: packages.debian.org and look it up yoursefl about the ones you want to know. there are 15000 packages. we can't tell you about all of themm |
| 19:38.22 | enouf | pedro__: /msg dpkg etch |
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| 19:38.36 | enouf | !tell pedro__ -about releases |
| 19:38.47 | spaceninja | ok thanks |
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| 19:38.54 | mythomaniac | what is the command to ask dpk about missing packages? |
| 19:39.13 | Bladesman | 'aptitude search <search criteria>' and 'aptitude show <package name>' |
| 19:39.27 | ohay | is there a way to install gnome without GDM ? I got the debian-kde install CD and wanted to install gnome as secondary desktop, but from what I remember, the last time I did this in Debian it installed GDM along |
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| 19:39.40 | enouf | pedro__: stop asking the same old shit on OFTC.net #debian |
| 19:39.41 | mythomaniac | Bladesman: was that in response to me? |
| 19:39.48 | abrotman | !tell ohay about install gnome |
| 19:39.57 | enouf | pedro__: we know you're quittt |
| 19:40.04 | Bladesman | Good way to search for packages. |
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| 19:40.18 | pedro__ | enouf, you're being unrespectful |
| 19:40.21 | wols_ | mythomaniac: what "missing" packages? |
| 19:40.21 | pedro__ | please, respect |
| 19:40.23 | mythomaniac | Bladesman: true, but i meant the irc bot here dpk |
| 19:40.23 | ohay | and when the system booted GDM was started but not used, because it conflicted with KDM |
| 19:40.31 | wols_ | pedro__: and you are a moron |
| 19:40.43 | wols_ | mythomaniac: what missing packages? |
| 19:40.47 | paxcoder | what happened? |
| 19:40.47 | enouf | pedro__: i asked nicely prior |
| 19:40.58 | mythomaniac | wols_: any just wanted to to the command please |
| 19:41.14 | wols_ | mythomaniac: makes no sense what you ask. what do you really want? |
| 19:41.24 | abrotman | ohay: you can install both and just use kdm |
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| 19:41.39 | wols_ | from your hostmask english is your first language so you should be able to express yourself |
| 19:41.40 | Bladesman | Actually, apt-cache shoud have been the one to use for searching. |
| 19:41.44 | mythomaniac | wols_: i wanted to know why links2 was not in lenny |
| 19:41.49 | wols_ | ohay: or uninstall gdm after |
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| 19:42.03 | wols_ | mythomaniac: "why is links2 not in testing" |
| 19:42.11 | mythomaniac | wols_: yes |
| 19:42.13 | ohay | abrotman: I did, but as I said, GDM was started without being needed |
| 19:42.21 | wols_ | mythomaniac: that's the command for dpkg |
| 19:42.39 | mythomaniac | wols_:and do i need a ! in front of it? |
| 19:42.41 | wols_ | ohay: change it back via update-alternatives and remove gdm |
| 19:42.52 | Bladesman | has links2 in his package listings. |
| 19:42.52 | wols_ | !tell mythomaniac about msgthebot |
| 19:42.56 | wols_ | !info links2 lenny |
| 19:42.59 | enouf | mythomaniac: what? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/links2 |
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| 19:43.18 | dpkg | links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre37-1.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1929 kB, Installed size: 2972 kB |
| 19:43.19 | enouf | judd: versions links2 |
| 19:43.20 | judd | enouf: links2: 2.1pre26-4 (etch) 2.1pre37-1.1 (lenny) 2.2-1 (sid) |
| 19:43.24 | wols_ | mythomaniac: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:43.32 | mythomaniac | enouf: and so it is |
| 19:43.43 | enouf | no shit, i use it :-P |
| 19:43.49 | mythomaniac | wols_: its ok man i got this, but thanks ;) |
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| 19:44.04 | enouf | mythomaniac: are you running debian? |
| 19:44.13 | mythomaniac | enouf: yeah lenny |
| 19:44.32 | ohay | abrotman: what's this update-alternatives? |
| 19:44.40 | enouf | heh |
| 19:44.40 | mythomaniac | enouf: when i searched for it i didnt have the "s" in links |
| 19:44.41 | wols_ | ohay: it has a manpage |
| 19:44.55 | enouf | mythomaniac: missing link? :-P |
| 19:44.59 | paxcoder | sorry I cut off earlier, I didn't see any response if there was any. My question was what is the pass for live debian distro? |
| 19:45.00 | mythomaniac | enouf: LOL |
| 19:45.15 | mythomaniac | enouf and wols_ thanks |
| 19:45.19 | ohay | wols_: oh, so it's a command, not a repository |
| 19:45.23 | enouf | paxcoder: /msg dpkg debian-live |
| 19:45.28 | enouf | or something |
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| 19:46.06 | paxcoder | enouf: yeah. doesn't say pass. I thought someone would know by heart. |
| 19:46.21 | paxcoder | *I assume "user" has no pass, I'm asking about root |
| 19:46.32 | mythomaniac | hay wols_ can you explain why lenny net-install takes over 10 min. to boot on a HP Pavilion dv6810us; Turion 64 X2 2GHz with 3 gig ram? |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | mythomaniac: where does it stall? |
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| 19:47.34 | mythomaniac | abrotman: right after selecting install: booting the kernel |
| 19:47.37 | wols_ | paxcoder: read the faq |
| 19:47.41 | ohay | mythomaniac: maybe because of network issues |
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| 19:47.52 | paxcoder | wols_: yeah. I did. Now I know. |
| 19:48.25 | mythomaniac | abrotman: it hangs for 10 mins and then i get the install screen |
| 19:49.16 | Bladesman | Try it with no sight. |
| 19:49.30 | mythomaniac | Bladesman: ? |
| 19:49.39 | swa | mythomaniac, it is the amd64 netinst iso correct? |
| 19:49.49 | mythomaniac | swa: no the I386 |
| 19:49.56 | mythomaniac | swa: err i386 |
| 19:50.06 | swa | should use amd64 |
| 19:50.13 | wols_ | swa: no |
| 19:50.18 | mythomaniac | ? |
| 19:50.24 | wols_ | mythomaniac: ignore him |
| 19:50.27 | mythomaniac | heh k |
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| 19:52.08 | Bladesman | Love Debian, but I think it's the very last distro to add support for the blind (officially). |
| 19:52.31 | mythomaniac | Bladesman: debian is the only distro there is in linux |
| 19:52.37 | mythomaniac | ;) |
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| 19:55.08 | Loeken | Is there a simple way to upgrade to Lenny though the terminal? |
| 19:55.18 | swa | why wouldn't the amd64 netinst be used for lenny? |
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| 19:55.39 | dondelelcaro | Loeken: sure; read the release notes, and upgrade. |
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| 19:56.11 | mythomaniac | Loeken: what version of debian you using? |
| 19:56.15 | enouf | swa: it can be used, but that's not the issue - 32bit i386 should work fine |
| 19:56.27 | Bladesman | Change "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'aptitude update' then 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 19:56.28 | Loeken | I have Etch |
| 19:57.00 | mythomaniac | Loeken: what gui you using? |
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| 19:57.15 | mythomaniac | Loeken: blah Bladesman bet me to it |
| 19:57.23 | Loeken | Ehrm...gui? |
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| 19:57.28 | mythomaniac | nm |
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| 19:57.49 | mythomaniac | Loeken: are you using gnome, kde? |
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| 19:58.09 | Loeken | kde |
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| 19:58.14 | logd | hi i placed a script in ip-up.d but it isn't ran when pppd connectcould i run a .sh script from /peers script used to connect |
| 19:58.17 | logd | ? |
| 19:58.18 | enouf | mythomaniac: you could try 'expert' instead of install, oh, and use BOOT_DEBUG=3 even - see the installation guide - chapter 5 or 6 |
| 19:58.35 | Bladesman | You may have to run the dist-upgrade a few times to get perl to install properly tho. |
| 19:58.37 | enouf | mythomaniac: also alt-f4 will have messages |
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| 19:58.56 | mythomaniac | enouf: wow ok |
| 19:59.12 | irit | someone knows how to define a new xkb entry (macintosh_osx) ? |
| 19:59.15 | Loeken | So, all I have to do is "nano sources.list" and change all links that have "etch" to "lenny" and then apt-get update right? |
| 19:59.25 | amphi | !etch->lenny |
| 19:59.42 | Bladesman | Use aptitude to do the dist-upgrade. |
| 19:59.42 | mythomaniac | Loeken: yes |
| 19:59.47 | enouf | !literal etch->lenny |
| 19:59.47 | dpkg | "etch->lenny" is "<reply>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>." |
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| 19:59.50 | irit | I mean I have defined it but it isn't enough and it stops xkb completely |
| 19:59.59 | amphi | enouf: thanks ;) |
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| 20:00.05 | enouf | amphi: it was broken, then fixed, now broken again :-P |
| 20:00.23 | Loeken | whats the difference between "apt-get" and "aptitude" ? |
| 20:00.36 | Bladesman | aptitude is smarter. |
| 20:00.39 | jetx | !aptitude |
| 20:00.39 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 20:00.53 | enouf | themill: we have a broken etch->lenny again - needs !literal preface :-P |
| 20:01.01 | mmlj4 | newbies use aptitide, old-school types still used apt-get |
| 20:01.05 | amphi | !tell Loeken -about why aptitude |
| 20:01.15 | jetx | real men use dselect |
| 20:01.28 | Bladesman | laughs. |
| 20:01.35 | Loeken | Ok, but can I somehow use a command to change everything that includes "etch" to "lenny" in sources.list though the terminal maybe? |
| 20:01.58 | mythomaniac | enouf: one question for you, if this is persistent and i still install it, will it always boot like that? |
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| 20:02.30 | Bladesman | Use nano to edit the file as root. |
| 20:02.34 | jetx | Loeken: it shouldn't be that long of a list |
| 20:02.38 | amphi | or sed ;) |
| 20:02.41 | jetx | 3 lines at most |
| 20:02.44 | jetx | usually just 2 |
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| 20:03.07 | Loeken | okok, but can I make a backup of the file first just in case? Command needed please ;) |
| 20:03.18 | enouf | mythomaniac: no |
| 20:03.27 | mythomaniac | enouf: thanks |
| 20:03.34 | embkas | I've installed gnome-photo-printing but can't find it - does anybodyu |
| 20:03.49 | embkas | does anybody know the command to start it? |
| 20:05.34 | enouf | embkas: dpkg -L <package> |
| 20:06.21 | wols_ | Loeken: make a backup with "cp" |
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| 20:06.41 | jetx | yes, cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bckup or whatever |
| 20:06.47 | Bladesman | cp /etc/apt/srouces.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bak | sed 's/etch/lenny/g' > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06.58 | Loeken | ok Thanks guys! |
| 20:07.07 | enouf | as sudo or root |
| 20:07.09 | jetx | or just comment out the lines that are there, and copy them, then edit them |
| 20:07.25 | jetx | you may have a messy commented list :) |
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| 20:09.48 | Bladesman | waves... |
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| 20:11.26 | Loeken | Should I use Beryl or Compiz Fusion??? |
| 20:11.31 | abrotman | beryl is dead |
| 20:11.49 | Loeken | So the anwser is Compiz Fusion? |
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| 20:12.04 | keith4_ | they merged, didn't they? |
| 20:12.30 | amphi | yeah, unforked |
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| 20:13.10 | scintilla | bye |
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| 20:15.21 | Loeken | Ok, next question, If I want to download something that dosent exist in my current sources.list, how do I find a link to the download location, for example, now I want Compiz Fusion, how can I find a reliable source? |
| 20:15.44 | keith4_ | !tell Loeken about search |
| 20:16.36 | blast_hardcheese | That would only help if it's in his sources.list |
| 20:16.50 | keith4_ | ah |
| 20:17.02 | keith4_ | !tell Loeken about pdo |
| 20:17.09 | blast_hardcheese | Loeken: Usually large projects like Compiz will have additional repos that you can add to your sources.list, |
| 20:18.08 | amphi | blast_hardcheese: you shouldn't need to; a recent version of compiz is in lenny |
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| 20:18.40 | blast_hardcheese | amphi: Hmm |
| 20:18.58 | babyju | anyone can help...I have my root on software raid1 and I am having trouble resyncing? |
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| 20:19.22 | Loeken | Im sorry for my obvious stupid questions, but I would never ask before seaching like a crazy person for several hours... |
| 20:19.23 | blast_hardcheese | That's still generally true, large projects that haven't gotten into the main repo have additional repos that you can set up |
| 20:19.31 | amphi | if you need other plugins, build from a suitable git snapshot and install under $HOME |
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| 20:19.59 | blast_hardcheese | Loeken: Of course, this stuff isn't totally obvious to the uninitiated, you'll get it |
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| 20:21.52 | lem0n | hmm, how might i recursively delete all files in a dir of a certain extension? |
| 20:21.53 | keith4_ | Loeken: lots of stuff is in contrib and non-free, too, which you might not have enabled |
| 20:22.13 | keith4_ | lem0n: rm -r *.txt ? |
| 20:22.18 | lem0n | oh |
| 20:22.18 | lem0n | duh |
| 20:22.20 | lem0n | ty |
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| 20:22.58 | Tramp | lem0n: well, this will not descend the directory tree. If you want that , you need find. |
| 20:23.01 | Gm4n | lem0n: if you want it to be more recursive than that, you can use find dir -name "*.ext" -exec rm {} \; |
| 20:23.05 | lem0n | yeah, it wasn twokring. |
| 20:23.09 | lem0n | i figured i may have to use find. |
| 20:23.45 | paxcoder | people, is there such thing as grub 2 and where? |
| 20:23.53 | Tramp | lem0n: man find, check "-delete" but check (e.g. with -ls) first. |
| 20:23.56 | abrotman | paxcoder: which version of debian? |
| 20:23.58 | paxcoder | i mean when I apt-get grub 2 (I just did) i get 1.9x version |
| 20:24.01 | paxcoder | abrotman: lenny |
| 20:24.05 | lem0n | :) |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | paxcoder: apt-cache search grub2 |
| 20:24.20 | pbn | Hi. In what file does Debian store the list of installed locales ? |
| 20:24.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: i told you I apt-get installed it. it removed grub, and installed grub2. which is version 1.9x |
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| 20:24.44 | abrotman | so it's grub2 |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | paxcoder: this might make more sense if you look at the version for the 'grub' package |
| 20:25.17 | paxcoder | abrotman: why do they differ? |
| 20:25.24 | keith4_ | seriously? |
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| 20:26.04 | abrotman | paxcoder: because they're different versions |
| 20:26.40 | paxcoder | abrotman: so I install grub2, and i get grub 1.9x. Makes sense. |
| 20:26.57 | keith4_ | yes. because when you install grub (1) you get 0.97 |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | paxcoder: i don't make the version numbers .. not my fault if you can't understand them |
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| 20:27.23 | paxcoder | keith4: is that applicable to all projects? |
| 20:27.34 | paxcoder | am I to call debian - debian 6? |
| 20:27.42 | paxcoder | *yeah, when it gets out |
| 20:28.24 | keith4_ | you can write a letter to GNU, and ask them |
| 20:28.33 | sajes | When issueing `ls` on my home directory, there's a directory called ' "~ ' without the single quotes. rm can't remove it and ls can't see inside it. Also, no filemanager can see it either. Any ideas? |
| 20:28.39 | keith4_ | when you have your own project, you can make the version numbers whatever the hell you want |
| 20:28.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: go ask #grub |
| 20:28.55 | paxcoder | keith4: I didn't ask why. I asked very specific questions. |
| 20:28.59 | paxcoder | you answered none. |
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| 20:29.09 | paxcoder | abrotman: they don't have any answers there. |
| 20:29.13 | keith4_ | if you can find a newer version of grub 2, let me know. ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 20:29.15 | paxcoder | i tried |
| 20:29.24 | abrotman | paxcoder: why are you confused? |
| 20:29.30 | paxcoder | keith4_: I can't that's why i ask |
| 20:29.40 | paxcoder | abrotman: how can 5.1 be called 6? |
| 20:29.47 | paxcoder | is that standard versioning? |
| 20:29.53 | keith4_ | wow. i can't tell if you're trolling, or just an idiot |
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| 20:29.58 | abrotman | paxcoder: hint: version numbers are arbitrary .. |
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| 20:30.26 | abrotman | paxcoder: you could start a project tomorrow and call it version 4.26.63a42.f3.24.2008 if you want to |
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| 20:30.37 | Akuw | i want to make a backup in my dvd, i am using this tar -czf /media/cdrom/data.tar.gz /home/x/Desktop/Main |
| 20:30.47 | Akuw | but can't write in my dvd |
| 20:30.53 | sajes | this is the output of `ls` on my home directory: http://paste.debian.net/19099/ |
| 20:31.01 | Akuw | Permission denied |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | sajes: ls -l |
| 20:31.33 | paxcoder | keith4_: you just think you're too smart for the rest of us. that's it. |
| 20:31.38 | Loeken | I downloaded a 2d game, and when I try to start it with gnome, everything works perfect, but when I try to start it with kde, nothing happends! Any ideas? |
| 20:31.40 | keith4_ | Akuw: you need 'growisofs' |
| 20:32.22 | sajes | abrotman: Nevermind. I just got it. It shows up as a " in the terminal, but as ? in the pastebin. It turned out to be mutt's cache though. I wonder why mutt would store data in such a directory. |
| 20:32.36 | abrotman | you told it to? |
| 20:32.43 | sajes | No, I didn't. |
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| 20:43.38 | lem0n | if i specify the wget option -l (to set how many dirs deep it can go with -r), so for example: wget -r -l 3 http://somesite.com/noobs/ ... and there was /noobs/a/b/c/, it would download all files in /noobs/a/b/c/, but no further, correct? |
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| 20:44.07 | lem0n | and obviously all in /noobs, /noobs/a, /noobs/a/b |
| 20:44.49 | mavhc | it's not dirs deep, it's links, but if those were the same, yes |
| 20:45.44 | lem0n | yeah, its apache index pages. |
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| 20:46.02 | lem0n | and it of course wont go above /noobs, right? |
| 20:46.11 | _jon_ | when will be linux 2.6.27 en debian unstable? |
| 20:46.13 | lem0n | so it wont try following links in / etc... |
| 20:46.26 | mavhc | lem0n: use -np for that |
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| 20:47.43 | jetx | is there a shortcut for /window next and /window prev, in irssi? |
| 20:47.52 | paxcoder | I did umount /dev/sda |
| 20:47.56 | paxcoder | i do mount /dev/sda |
| 20:47.59 | paxcoder | and it doesn't work |
| 20:48.03 | paxcoder | how come? |
| 20:48.05 | jetx | you want to mount the partition |
| 20:48.08 | jetx | not the hd |
| 20:48.15 | jetx | sda1 or sda2 or whatever |
| 20:48.15 | paxcoder | jetx: tried that too (first) |
| 20:48.24 | jetx | fdisk -l |
| 20:48.26 | abrotman | jetx: ctrl-p ctrl-n .. something like that |
| 20:48.45 | paxcoder | jetx: what does that button do? |
| 20:48.59 | jetx | ? which button |
| 20:49.13 | lem0n | mavhc: if i had already started a download, can i kill it, delete whatever was partly downlaoded, and start downloading again with -np specified, and not have to overwrite what i had already downloaded? |
| 20:49.15 | jetx | fdisk -l lists all your partitions |
| 20:49.24 | paxcoder | jetx: expression (from Dexter's lab). There's sda2 there. |
| 20:49.45 | jetx | you need to tell it where to mount it |
| 20:49.53 | irit_ | does anyone here knows to define a new keyboard in xkb? |
| 20:49.54 | jetx | mount /dev/sda2 /mnt or whatever |
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| 20:50.08 | mavhc | lem0n: -nc and -c, although there's issues |
| 20:50.16 | lem0n | hmm |
| 20:50.32 | lem0n | what im basically trying to do is download somesite.tld/thisdir/* |
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| 20:50.35 | lem0n | i specified -r -l 3 |
| 20:50.44 | lem0n | because i dont want to download more than 3 deep past /thisdir/ |
| 20:51.00 | jetx | abrotman: yes, ctrl+n|p |
| 20:51.01 | lem0n | i guess i can keep an eye on it and kill it if it starts trying to download somesite.tld/index.html etc... |
| 20:51.23 | mavhc | -r -l3 -nc -np -c should work |
| 20:51.30 | paxcoder | jetx: it says i need to specify FS. I'd rather not mount my USB sticks that way |
| 20:51.35 | lem0n | even if i killed it right now? |
| 20:51.44 | jetx | paxcoder: -t auto |
| 20:51.46 | mavhc | not sure |
| 20:51.59 | lem0n | what if i were to just keep an eye on it? |
| 20:52.06 | jetx | mount -t auto /dev/sda2 /mnt |
| 20:52.12 | jetx | or so |
| 20:52.36 | paxcoder | jetx: still the same |
| 20:52.38 | jetx | paxcoder: you can specify it in fstab, then don't need to do all that |
| 20:52.54 | kibibyte | hi |
| 20:52.59 | paxcoder | jetx: if I unplug/plug it it appears. The FAT partition (sda1) anyway |
| 20:53.00 | jetx | paxcoder: -t vfat or -t fat or -t ntfs then |
| 20:53.06 | jetx | depending |
| 20:53.08 | paxcoder | and manually it won't do that either |
| 20:53.13 | paxcoder | that's superdumb |
| 20:53.42 | jetx | no idea, i do everything manually |
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| 20:53.56 | jetx | not up on automounting usb sticks in gnome |
| 20:54.03 | jetx | or kde or whatever |
| 20:54.16 | paxcoder | i hate GNU/Linux |
| 20:54.24 | jetx | blame the admin |
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| 20:54.29 | paxcoder | LOL |
| 20:54.32 | paxcoder | But I have no choice... |
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| 20:54.58 | jetx | paxcoder: it works just fine, when configured properly... :/ |
| 20:55.13 | paxcoder | jetx: when programmed properly too |
| 20:55.30 | jetx | it mostly is... is this gnome? |
| 20:55.36 | paxcoder | jetx: yes |
| 20:55.39 | nye_ | an error says "undefined reference to `__ctype_b' " while compiling, do I have to downgrade my glibc to a lower version to fix it? |
| 20:55.41 | jetx | i find gnome is less tight than kde, but looks better |
| 20:55.50 | paxcoder | jetx: tight? |
| 20:55.53 | jetx | i use neither though, and do everything manually |
| 20:56.00 | jetx | tight, programmed well,... |
| 20:56.12 | jetx | 'just works'(tm) |
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| 20:56.27 | paxcoder | jetx: is that really TM? |
| 20:56.31 | paxcoder | *and if yes, who's? |
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| 20:57.08 | Arie001 | i installed the file server on the intall... but how can i confige it? |
| 20:57.45 | jetx | no it's just an expression, pickcoder... it just works! (TM) |
| 20:58.05 | Gm4n | for exim, is the right config file to edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template? |
| 20:58.13 | jetx | !just works |
| 20:58.18 | jetx | darn |
| 20:58.19 | paxcoder | !TM |
| 20:58.28 | jetx | !what are you |
| 20:58.28 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
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| 20:59.18 | paxcoder | jetx: nice, I used to use !bot. But that works only half the time. |
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| 20:59.31 | bunnyto | hi |
| 21:00.14 | paxcoder | bunnyto: hello? |
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| 21:00.18 | jetx | goes away to lose more money |
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| 21:00.52 | Eulex | !bot |
| 21:00.52 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:00.56 | Eulex | !bot |
| 21:01.01 | abrotman | lay off the bot ? |
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| 21:01.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: don't worry, it doesn't hurt him. |
| 21:01.51 | paxcoder | Eulex: /msg dpkg bla |
| 21:01.55 | paxcoder | then ask him what you want |
| 21:01.56 | Eulex | from some empric studies in /msg !bot works every time, except when someone has said the same thing very recently in the channel |
| 21:01.59 | Eulex | paxcoder, yeah |
| 21:02.01 | Eulex | *empric |
| 21:02.03 | Eulex | bleh |
| 21:02.05 | Eulex | *empiric |
| 21:02.14 | enouf | empirical? |
| 21:02.28 | bunnyto | but we are all Empirics |
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| 21:02.32 | enouf | stabs someone with the empire state tower |
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| 21:02.46 | paxcoder | Eulex: I beg to differ. Empirical studies of the person writing this, as said before, show otherwise. I can even make nice little graphs. |
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| 21:02.53 | paxcoder | *but of course, I won't |
| 21:03.00 | Eulex | :) |
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| 21:04.09 | bunnyto | debian was built by empirics |
| 21:04.41 | paxcoder | Eulex: what's the semantics for changing name in one channel only? |
| 21:04.59 | pbn | hello... In what file does Debian store the list of installed locales ? |
| 21:05.07 | enouf | !locales |
| 21:05.07 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 21:05.18 | enouf | !localegen |
| 21:05.23 | Eulex | paxcoder, wha? |
| 21:05.24 | enouf | er ... |
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| 21:05.35 | zinx | paxcoder: i'm not sure you know what 'semantics' means, but you can't change your nick in only one channel on IRC, you have to make another connection if you want more than one nick |
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| 21:06.13 | paxcoder | zinx: so xchat's option apply to all channels is for show... nice. |
| 21:06.17 | zinx | paxcoder: i expect you were looking for the word 'syntax' or something similar, for what it's worth |
| 21:06.17 | pbn | enouf: thank you |
| 21:06.22 | paxcoder | stupid xchat |
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| 21:06.53 | Eulex | paxcoder, you can have different nicks on different networks in the same client, though |
| 21:07.17 | paxcoder | Eulex: So I can? How? |
| 21:07.27 | paxcoder | Eulex: oooooh |
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| 21:07.31 | Eulex | go into the network settings |
| 21:07.32 | zinx | paxcoder: as i said, make another connection |
| 21:07.32 | paxcoder | kinda slow on that one |
| 21:07.42 | enouf | ls -l /usr/share/locale/ |
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| 21:10.31 | paxcoder | has a feeling his system could freeze at any second now... |
| 21:11.05 | dob1 | how do i installa pcf fonts? i tried to put them on the font's directory and launch fc-cache -fv but i don't get them |
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| 21:11.38 | ewet | hello, is the performance difference between qemu with and without kqemu significant with other linux kernels and windows? because I cannot see any in any case... |
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| 21:12.18 | amphi | ewet: with the module it's _much_ faster IME, emulating x86 on x86 |
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| 21:13.19 | ewet | scratches his head |
| 21:13.34 | ewet | well can it be because I use amd64 |
| 21:13.53 | ewet | and the kernels I load are all 32bit? |
| 21:14.15 | amphi | could be |
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| 21:14.31 | amphi | I haven't run qemu on this 64-bit machine |
| 21:15.01 | ewet | hmmm *pain* ... this whole vm stuff turns into a nightmare |
| 21:15.32 | amphi | I haven't looked into what virtualisation qemu supports, if any |
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| 21:17.39 | ewet | well apparantly it works but apparently without kqemu ... |
| 21:18.03 | ewet | if vmware just wasn't this awful blob ... |
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| 21:18.28 | amphi | vbox is another option |
| 21:18.39 | bunnyto | vbox rulez |
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| 21:19.15 | amphi | I've not used it |
| 21:19.16 | sidh | hello everybody |
| 21:19.22 | amphi | qemu worked well for me |
| 21:19.25 | _coredump_ | full ack vbox rox |
| 21:19.30 | bunnyto | qemu is homo |
| 21:19.34 | sidh | i try to set up a ad hoc wifi connection |
| 21:19.44 | ewet | well I got to remember it but there was something wrong with it also... suppose it was the bsd server |
| 21:19.52 | sidh | btu it isn't recognized by the other peer |
| 21:20.02 | sidh | does someone could help me ? |
| 21:20.51 | bunnyto | ssid |
| 21:21.25 | sidh | iwconfig |
| 21:21.26 | amphi | sidh: it's been a while; make sure essid and channel/freq are the same on both |
| 21:21.54 | amphi | sidh: and that the ips are on the same network ;) |
| 21:22.03 | sidh | http://pastebin.com/d26b67b09 |
| 21:22.17 | sidh | in fact the other peer don't even list it |
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| 21:22.58 | amphi | sidh: iwlist <iface> scan doesn't see it? |
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| 21:23.15 | sidh | you mean on the peer |
| 21:23.18 | amphi | sidh: is the interface up (with ifcoonfig)? |
| 21:23.19 | sidh | ? |
| 21:23.49 | amphi | each machine should be able to see the other |
| 21:23.53 | fas3r | it's possible in root to execute command (for example mv) with other user right (priviliege) ? |
| 21:24.04 | slidesinger | I just did a new install of testing (Lenny) and the install of X set the wrong screen resolution. I checked xorg.conf and there is no modes section, it refers to a "Configured Video Device" and a "Configured Monitor" but I have been unable to determine where these devices are, in fact, configured. |
| 21:24.05 | bunnyto | sudo |
| 21:24.06 | slidesinger | I tried to grep under /etc for mode, but got nothing. Also tried both video and monitor with the same result. Does anyone know where the correct file is? |
| 21:24.14 | fas3r | ha yes sudo |
| 21:24.16 | sidh | http://pastebin.com/d2bd2ce28 |
| 21:24.22 | sidh | amphi: yes it seems |
| 21:24.24 | fas3r | thank bunnyto |
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| 21:25.02 | amphi | sidh: so are the essids and channels the same, and interfaces up and given sensible addresses? |
| 21:25.07 | sidh | slidesinger: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 21:25.49 | sidh | amphi: in fact the peer is a jailbroken iphone |
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| 21:26.15 | amphi | sidh: I've never seen an iphone |
| 21:26.30 | sidh | on the terminal of the iphone i've set up the en0 interface |
| 21:26.32 | slidesinger | sidh: Yes, it only asked about the keyboard. |
| 21:26.59 | sidh | it is 192.168.2.1 on the iphone |
| 21:27.05 | sidh | 2.2 on the debian host |
| 21:27.40 | sidh | slidesinger: strange it should ask you for different video setting |
| 21:27.55 | sidh | and keyboard an mice params yes |
| 21:28.02 | slidesinger | That's what I thought, but it does not. |
| 21:28.06 | amphi | sidh: but neither is pingable from the other? |
| 21:28.07 | slidesinger | Not even mice. |
| 21:28.53 | sidh | amphi: no |
| 21:28.59 | amphi | !blame apple |
| 21:28.59 | dpkg | blames neonoe_ and apple for the end of the Internet as we know it |
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| 21:29.37 | sidh | since the iphone doesn't see the debian in wifi networks |
| 21:29.38 | bunnyto | iphone is homo |
| 21:30.02 | sidh | ;) |
| 21:30.03 | slidesinger | I'm going to try adding a modes section to xorg.conf and restart X. Thanks for the help. |
| 21:30.14 | amphi | ISTR having a bad time trying to get some apple laptop to do an adhoc network; I forget the end of that story |
| 21:30.25 | sidh | slidesinger: here is what i do for configuring X in Freebsd |
| 21:30.31 | sidh | (traditionnal way) |
| 21:30.47 | Lord^Anubis | speaking of x.... anyone know why ctrl alt backspace doesn't work for me? |
| 21:30.55 | sidh | X -configure |
| 21:30.59 | amphi | Lord^Anubis: option DontZap is enabled? |
| 21:31.06 | Lord^Anubis | amphi, no |
| 21:31.12 | sidh | it writes a xor.conf in /root/ |
| 21:31.15 | sidh | then |
| 21:32.54 | slidesinger | sidh: copy or cut and paste relevant parts to make things work, being sure to keep a backup of the old file. Thanks. |
| 21:33.08 | slidesinger | I forgot about the -configure option |
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| 21:34.09 | sidh | then X -conf /root/xorgXXXX.conf |
| 21:34.41 | sidh | if you see a blank screen with a the mouse cross in the middle of the screen then you are done |
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| 21:35.09 | sidh | just copy the xorg file to /etc/X11/ |
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| 21:35.58 | mythomaniac | i seem to be missing alsaconf from my fresh install of lenny? |
| 21:36.07 | paxcoder | where's the "sudoers file"? I don't want sudo. |
| 21:36.24 | themill | enouf: :( not again. I think dondelelcaro has rewriting the infobot output routines on his todo list, but that is (naturally) a long way down his priority list. I'll see if I can convince the bot to behave. |
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| 21:37.01 | abrotman | mythomaniac: did you install alsa-utils ? |
| 21:37.16 | mythomaniac | abrotman: let me look |
| 21:37.50 | mythomaniac | abrotman: that would be it thank you |
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| 21:38.51 | paxcoder | enouf: can you tell me why factinfo for radeon vs radeonhd claims I am you? |
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| 21:39.52 | abrotman | paxcoder: what? |
| 21:40.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: I made that article. And now it says enouf did it. It said the same thing as the last time, with his name instead of mine. |
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| 21:40.28 | abrotman | he edited it |
| 21:40.34 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
| 21:40.39 | paxcoder | abrotman: it says he created it. |
| 21:40.46 | abrotman | DOES IT MATTER? |
| 21:40.50 | paxcoder | well it's a gift society, and I want my credit. |
| 21:41.03 | abrotman | oh ffs .. get your own bot |
| 21:41.04 | paxcoder | if it doesn't matter, why would he change it? |
| 21:41.12 | paxcoder | abrotman: so it's his? |
| 21:41.17 | themill | paxcoder: if it was rewritten, then you won't be the creator any more |
| 21:41.19 | wols_ | paxcoder: stfu |
| 21:41.26 | abrotman | no .. it's not .. |
| 21:41.28 | mythomaniac | abrotman: wow they fixed the mute problem too, woot - thanks again |
| 21:41.29 | paxcoder | themill: it's exactly the same. |
| 21:41.35 | abrotman | apparently it's not |
| 21:41.46 | wols_ | paxcoder: it all belongs to dondelelcaro, not you not enouf or anyone else |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | paxcoder: quit whining and stop contributing if you only want recognition |
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| 21:42.07 | paxcoder | abrotman: whatever. |
| 21:42.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: it even has the same mistakes. |
| 21:42.22 | paxcoder | that's so dumb. |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | what's really dumb is whining about it |
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| 21:42.44 | themill | paxcoder: then fix it and it will have your name against it instead. |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | and then i'll fix it .. and it'll have my name |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | i'm not sure why anyone cares |
| 21:43.18 | paxcoder | themill: wonder if that will matter, will do. |
| 21:43.23 | rahsputin | Hi. I am looking for a person with expirience with dfsbuild.... i manipulated the dfs.cfg some but haven't found an option for assigning the image to a device.... everytime i boot grub shows and i boot the kernel but after a very short period of time it scans the list of devices i assignt to go through but all fail to find the image hda1... scd01.... and so and so forth, here is my config: http://rafb.net/p/wxrYDV57.html |
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| 21:44.40 | paxcoder | themill: abrotman: no, it doesn't change it. |
| 21:44.58 | paxcoder | that's so lame enouf. |
| 21:45.03 | Shizuo | My Ubuntu install isn't working!!! |
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| 21:45.43 | themill | paxcoder: I still don't understand why you care. And BTW this isn't on-topic for the channel anyway. Go talk about it in #debian-bots or talk directly to enouf about it. |
| 21:45.47 | jetx | hey, my ubuntu install isn't working either |
| 21:45.58 | jetx | must have been that dd command... |
| 21:46.07 | Shizuo | I tried running it from the CD and it worked |
| 21:46.16 | Shizuo | But now on the HD it gives me some weird errors! |
| 21:46.16 | wols_ | Shizuo: #ubuntu |
| 21:46.28 | jetx | yeah i get weird errors too |
| 21:46.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: themill: funny how you're explaining to *me* that it doesn't matter. |
| 21:46.38 | paxcoder | whatever. |
| 21:46.39 | themill | paxcoder: well, we don't care. |
| 21:46.40 | wols_ | Shizuo: please stop and go to #ubuntu |
| 21:46.42 | jetx | parse command error: wtf |
| 21:46.59 | Shizuo | It complains about "ELITISM NOT FOUND, JOIN TARD DEBIAN CHANNEL AND TROLL THERE" |
| 21:47.00 | wols_ | themill: we care. now we know paxcoder is a egomaniac |
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| 21:47.08 | wols_ | abrotman: please? |
| 21:47.18 | rahsputin | or is there a way to make a diffent type of image with dfsbuild ? |
| 21:47.19 | jetx | Shizuo: mine doesn't, mine says "stfu moron" |
| 21:47.23 | jetx | go figure |
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| 21:47.25 | Shizuo | =] |
| 21:47.30 | rahsputin | other than iso9660 |
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| 21:48.17 | jetx | Shizuo: it's not elitism to not like morons... no i'm not calling you one with that, i'm referring to the average iq of the respective channels |
| 21:48.28 | jetx | seriously |
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| 21:48.39 | wols_ | jetx: stop please |
| 21:48.50 | Shizuo | Well, there are always two sides on every situation... |
| 21:48.51 | jetx | parse command error: wtf |
| 21:49.09 | wols_ | Shizuo, jetx: take it to #-ot |
| 21:49.11 | jetx | i'm a bot |
| 21:49.11 | Shizuo | But I agree that newbie questions sometimes annoy people |
| 21:49.33 | jetx | it's not the questions, it's the... way? |
| 21:49.37 | Shizuo | Yes, sure |
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| 21:49.43 | Shizuo | The formatting, the context |
| 21:49.48 | jetx | i was a n00b |
| 21:49.52 | Shizuo | The desire to be "served" real fast |
| 21:49.57 | wols_ | !OT |
| 21:49.57 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 21:49.59 | jetx | still am |
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| 21:50.12 | jetx | who is this jetx guy... |
| 21:50.13 | Shizuo | Why is wols_ spamming us? |
| 21:50.15 | jetx | :) |
| 21:50.18 | Loeken | # ccsm -"Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified" --Help please =) |
| 21:50.21 | jetx | him want stfu |
| 21:50.44 | jetx | well, the ot portion |
| 21:51.00 | wols_ | Loeken: this runs under another user than your X server? |
| 21:51.02 | jetx | !mwilsonsmite wolds |
| 21:51.04 | jetx | err |
| 21:51.18 | emma | hey guys i told my friends, 'the debian gurus told me that aptitude is a little better than apt-get' |
| 21:51.21 | jetx | there is no mwilsonsmite btw |
| 21:51.23 | wols_ | @ops please move jetx and Shizuo to #-ot |
| 21:51.24 | jetx | should be |
| 21:51.28 | wols_ | !@ops please move jetx and Shizuo to #-ot |
| 21:51.29 | emma | and they asked me, 'did the debian gurus give you a reason'? |
| 21:51.31 | wols_ | !ops please move jetx and Shizuo to #-ot |
| 21:51.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please move jetx and Shizuo to #-ot |
| 21:51.35 | Shizuo | wols_: Stop sspamming, please |
| 21:51.36 | emma | I cannot remember if you gave me a reason. |
| 21:51.39 | Shizuo | I am quiet |
| 21:51.42 | wols_ | emma: for? |
| 21:51.44 | Shizuo | You are disrupting the channel |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | !tell emma about why aptitude |
| 21:51.46 | themill | Shizuo, jetx: enough, please. |
| 21:51.49 | abrotman | Shizuo: stop already |
| 21:51.55 | Loeken | wols_ I dont get it, should I change my gui to gnome or something? |
| 21:52.00 | jetx | i already did |
| 21:52.00 | wols_ | Loeken: no |
| 21:52.02 | Shizuo | I am QUIET |
| 21:52.05 | wols_ | Loeken: I asked you something |
| 21:52.12 | jetx | mwilsonsmiting wols was a different subject :) |
| 21:52.46 | Loeken | sorry I cant understand your question |
| 21:53.17 | jetx | !tell emma -about why aptitude |
| 21:53.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.42 | wols_ | Loeken: are you? |
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| 21:54.03 | emma | dpkg is putting line breaks in its posts so that it makes it ugly to copy and paste. |
| 21:54.03 | dpkg | emma: You are moron #29 |
| 21:54.11 | Loeken | Well, I have tried root and user |
| 21:54.11 | abrotman | jetx: if you were paying attention instead of blabbing like an idiot .. you'd see i already did that |
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| 21:54.27 | jetx | feels chastised |
| 21:54.28 | wols_ | abrotman: he is not blabbing but trolling. |
| 21:54.31 | abrotman | emma: so paste it in an editor and reformat |
| 21:54.38 | jetx | i don't know how to troll |
| 21:54.44 | emma | That's not convenient. |
| 21:54.47 | jetx | never practicced |
| 21:54.47 | wols_ | and if you can't see it abrotman, I question who the idiot is... |
| 21:54.59 | jetx | emma: ok. sorry we're not good enough |
| 21:55.13 | wols_ | emma: whine to something who cares about it |
| 21:55.21 | abrotman | emma: it's a bot .. it's IRC .. we can't fix your IRC client |
| 21:55.24 | jetx | wols_: wtf? |
| 21:55.26 | emma | I will reformat it and submit it if the person who maintains dpkg can put the version without new lines in. |
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| 21:55.41 | wols_ | emma: dpkg doesn't have newlines. it's your client which includes them |
| 21:55.45 | abrotman | emma: the bot has it fine .. it's your client |
| 21:55.49 | jetx | emma: perhaps your irc client parses it funny |
| 21:55.55 | emma | my client does not do that for other querys. |
| 21:55.57 | jetx | heh |
| 21:56.02 | wols_ | emma: with irssi there are no newlines for example |
| 21:56.09 | emma | I am using irssi. |
| 21:56.20 | abrotman | (aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.) |
| 21:56.22 | abrotman | see .. no newlines |
| 21:56.37 | emma | This is what I get when I copy and paste that from dpkg.. |
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| 21:56.47 | jetx | bye |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | or maybe your terminal emulator |
| 21:56.52 | wols_ | yes, and there are no newlines in it |
| 21:56.55 | emma | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.59 | emma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.02 | emma | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.03 | jetx | heh |
| 21:57.05 | emma | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.07 | jetx | waves |
| 21:57.14 | abrotman | irssi will pace it out |
| 21:57.22 | abrotman | emma: that's your client or your terminal |
| 21:57.27 | emma | Okay. |
| 21:57.35 | abrotman | i pasted the same thing .. no newlines |
| 21:57.35 | jetx | slaps debhelper |
| 21:57.36 | emma | probably the terminal then I suppose. Gnome terminal. |
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| 21:57.49 | themill | emma: the bot can't have new lines in a factoid. It just can't do that. |
| 21:58.08 | jetx | well it's perl, it 'could' |
| 21:58.09 | Loeken | wols_ I get the error when I run as root... |
| 21:58.13 | jetx | couldn't it? |
| 21:58.18 | pgpkeys | what loads the /dev/shm tmpfs on startup? it used to be an /etc/fstab entry but it's not there anymore. I dont want it to load but can't find where to disable it |
| 21:58.18 | emma | I don't know what it is, I was calling it newlines because of the strange way that it came out when I copied and pasted. |
| 21:58.26 | emma | It does not do that for any other paste from query. |
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| 21:58.39 | mythomaniac | man i love debian and lenny is shaping up really, really, really (i really do mean really) nice guys! |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | emma: it's really not that important .. i'm sure your friends can read even poorly formatted lines |
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| 21:58.50 | wols_ | paxcoder: DO NOT FUCKING MESSAGE PEOPLE! |
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| 21:59.13 | emma | You are right that it is not that important. It is not important in any objective way. But I am a perfectionist. |
| 21:59.15 | jetx | why didn't you /msg him... :) |
| 21:59.17 | emma | What is +l ? |
| 21:59.21 | paxcoder | wols_: OH NO, I'M KILLING YOU! |
| 21:59.24 | abrotman | emma: well .. get a perfect client |
| 21:59.39 | themill | emma: limit on the number of people in the channel |
| 21:59.44 | emma | Interesting. |
| 21:59.54 | themill | helps keep bot infestations at bay |
| 21:59.56 | mythomaniac | abrotman: and in your opinion which client would that be? |
| 22:00.01 | emma | I don't understand wols_ some times. Such a competent guy but sort of not very friendly. |
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| 22:00.14 | abrotman | mythomaniac: i don't use a perfect client .. nor do i want one |
| 22:00.19 | mythomaniac | oh |
| 22:00.20 | jetx | it's that time of the month... |
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| 22:00.53 | themill | emma: that happens. If you spend too much time in #d you get a shorter and shorter fuse and less and less patience. /msg dpkg fable |
| 22:01.02 | emma | I like you debian folks I really do. And the ops in this channel are classy and sane. |
| 22:01.03 | jetx | waves@nyle |
| 22:01.26 | jetx | heh |
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| 22:02.38 | mythomaniac | emma: wols_ is hardcore bro, but in the end he does help people and that is all that matters |
| 22:02.59 | Gm4n | wols_ has saved my ass many times :) |
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| 22:03.17 | themill | founds the wols_ fan club |
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| 22:03.56 | paxcoder | joins so he can get close to wols_ and slap him silly |
| 22:04.14 | Blackhold | hello, I'm looking for materials to do the LPI 1st level certification, does some place to download them? thanks |
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| 22:04.43 | wols_ | Blackhold: ask in ##linux or such. this is a channel for debian only |
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| 22:04.51 | abrotman | paxcoder: really .. stop it already |
| 22:05.10 | paxcoder | abrotman: WHAT? |
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| 22:05.47 | Gm4n | anyone in here have experience with exim4 system filters? I'm trying to write one, and I'm kinda confused |
| 22:06.22 | wols_ | Gm4n: never do "anyone" questions. never. state your real problem instead |
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| 22:06.39 | wols_ | Gm4n: state what confuses you and ask for an explanation |
| 22:06.56 | Gm4n | I just put an etch/exim4 box in place, and I want to both receive mail for local users, and send to old mailserver too |
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| 22:07.15 | emma | Great fable. I read the whole thing. |
| 22:07.23 | Gm4n | I'm attempting to recieve mail locally, but use the system filter to unseen send to the old mail server |
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| 22:07.49 | emma | I agree with the general consensus that wols_ is so good that how he acts is of little importance on irc. I'm glad he's here. |
| 22:08.05 | pgpkeys | what confuses *me* is the /dev/shm tmpfs device debian loads by default. is that tmpfs actually used or is it loaded simply to show how it's done? I'm asking because I have 512MB RAM allocated to the box, and it's loading 256MB to the tmpfs. I would prefer not to run the tmpfs unless the system needs it |
| 22:08.12 | paxcoder | emma: I never said he wasn't helpful. |
| 22:08.18 | paxcoder | au contraire. |
| 22:08.22 | Gm4n | so my question is should I set up exim to forward and use filter to copy to local users, or set it up to accept, and use system filter to forward |
| 22:08.33 | Gm4n | (or is there a better way altogether?) |
| 22:08.50 | paxcoder | *well, most of the time anyway |
| 22:09.06 | pgpkeys | I see that /etc/init.d/mtab.sh, and /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh both touch this device. |
| 22:09.36 | wols_ | pgpkeys: it needs it. and that ram is not used unless needed |
| 22:09.44 | wols_ | you still have your full 512MB |
| 22:10.06 | Ikarus | pgpkeys: it is used to implement shared memory in a rather round about way and as wols_ it is only used if there are actual files in it |
| 22:10.27 | pgpkeys | ahh OK. |
| 22:11.56 | simonrvn | roundabout way is a polite way of putting that, hehe |
| 22:12.15 | lem0n | i know that with wget, if a link has parenthesis in it, you have to surround the link with quotes or else youll get an error... if you use the -i option with wget to specify an input file, will links in that file containing parenthesis need to be surrounded by quotes? |
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| 22:12.27 | Gm4n | nope |
| 22:12.39 | lem0n | k |
| 22:12.43 | Ikarus | simonrvn: nah, it's actually pretty sane from a programming perspective |
| 22:13.02 | themill | lem0n: the quotes are only to protect things from your shell (e.g. bash). |
| 22:13.09 | lem0n | ahh |
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| 22:14.30 | Gm4n | wols_: this is why I avoided my essay of a problem statement; it scares people off and nobody wants to answer |
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| 22:16.02 | wols_ | Gm4n: no one answers "anyone" qeustions either.... have you tried #exim? |
| 22:16.17 | Gm4n | yes, several times |
| 22:16.34 | wols_ | that channel is a better place for special exim questions either |
| 22:16.46 | wols_ | maybe try a exim mailinglist. more chance of an answer usually |
| 22:17.04 | Gm4n | well, I'm not too hooked on exim. Is this easy to do with postfix? |
| 22:17.17 | wols_ | but don't just ask like you did here. that sounds like you want a solution done for you without any work. tell you waht you tried and how it failed too |
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| 22:17.28 | wols_ | no clue. never tried with postfix |
| 22:17.42 | petemc | Gm4n: it would be easy to add a router to do that |
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| 22:18.02 | Gm4n | a router as in physical hardware? |
| 22:18.18 | petemc | no, an exim router |
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| 22:18.54 | Gm4n | ooh, interesting! |
| 22:19.10 | Gm4n | this seems much cleaner than a filter |
| 22:19.17 | petemc | ill show you on in the exim channel |
| 22:19.23 | petemc | s/on/one/ |
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| 22:35.34 | ``y7 | which router/firewall would you guys recommend for debian 4.0? all i need is NAT and port forwarding. Thanks. |
| 22:36.37 | amphi | iptables? |
| 22:36.57 | amphi | there are many front ends, if that's what you're after |
| 22:37.25 | ``y7 | is iptables a term or a router/firewall? |
| 22:37.47 | amphi | it's a program to manipulate the kernel's packet filter |
| 22:37.56 | themill | ``y7: if you just want NAT, install the ipmasq package |
| 22:38.03 | simonrvn | it's a command line interface to the in-kernel memory structures to handle networking filtering |
| 22:38.09 | ``y7 | will nat allow me to use port forwarding? |
| 22:38.19 | simonrvn | !nat |
| 22:38.19 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 22:38.28 | simonrvn | !port forwarding |
| 22:38.28 | dpkg | from memory, port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information. |
| 22:38.32 | themill | ``y7: ipmasq uses iptables to set up your NAT and will also do port forwarding |
| 22:38.41 | mythomaniac | anyone know, or have a walkthrough/tutorial on how to configure balsa to receive localhost mail? |
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| 22:40.50 | ``y7 | ok last question, if i setup iptables on my machine, do i have to change my kernel in any way? or is it a simple apt-get install and then configure the config file? |
| 22:41.59 | abrotman | just install iptables and use it |
| 22:42.05 | ``y7 | ok, ty |
| 22:42.15 | themill | ``y7: iptables is just a command to tell your kernel to do something. There is no config file for it. Install ipmasq and your NAT will work. configure ipmasq and your portforwarding will work. |
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| 22:43.01 | sarrafo | I am having trouble installing the debian lenny 386 in a note acer 7520-5797, when they are installing it for at the beginning |
| 22:43.05 | amphi | ``y7: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html may be of use |
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| 22:43.34 | PeterFA | When do you think the next after Lenny will be usable as a desktop? |
| 22:43.35 | sarrafo | decompressing Linux... parsing elf... done |
| 22:43.48 | sarrafo | booting the kernel |
| 22:43.58 | abrotman | PeterFA: ask us after lenny releases |
| 22:44.20 | PeterFA | abrotman, when do you think Lenny will be released? It looks like it's almost there. |
| 22:44.26 | themill | PeterFA: testing is often pretty messy immediately after a release. It's sometimes worth waiting a few months to settle down. |
| 22:44.28 | themill | !wwlr |
| 22:44.28 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 22:44.29 | PeterFA | abrotman, I'm using Lenny right now. I like it. |
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| 22:45.05 | PeterFA | Lenny is good for a desktop. |
| 22:45.24 | sarrafo | [ 0.164010] acpi: ec: gpe srotm detected, disabling ec cpe |
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| 22:45.35 | mythomaniac | lenny rocks! |
| 22:45.37 | bolt | How can I set up encrypted swapspace in debian? |
| 22:45.37 | PeterFA | apt handles packages a lot better than Portage and much better than RPM, and Ubuntu just sucks. |
| 22:45.49 | themill | !lenny pool 1 |
| 22:45.49 | dpkg | well, lenny pool 1 is ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 22:46.19 | themill | asg: so how are those sarge boxen going? |
| 22:46.22 | bolt | How can I set up encrypted swapspace in debian? Preferably with some random key on each boot, as I don't want to type anything in, just make sure the data is unreadable on reboot. |
| 22:47.03 | karsten | bolt: It's possible. GIYF. Should be a howto out there. |
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| 22:47.59 | Tramp | bolt: man crypttab, search for swap. There is even an example line |
| 22:48.23 | bolt | karsten, Tramp: thanks :) |
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| 22:48.56 | tmiw_ | hi all |
| 22:49.32 | tmiw_ | so, I have a problem. every time I reboot my box, the MTU on eth0 keeps getting reset to 576. since it's an internet gateway, that causes problems for everyone behind the box |
| 22:49.46 | tmiw_ | manually setting it to 1500 fixes this, but I'm wondering how to make that permanent |
| 22:50.00 | abrotman | tmiw_: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:50.24 | tmiw_ | yeah, but it seems I can't do dhcp and set mtu there too |
| 22:50.29 | tmiw_ | unless I'm missing something |
| 22:50.35 | themill | tmiw_: you can |
| 22:51.16 | tmiw_ | so iface eth0 inet dhcp \n[tab]mtu 1500? |
| 22:51.20 | Funyun | when i type "df", i recieve the wrong information. does anyone know why this is? |
| 22:51.30 | themill | tmiw_: but why is your gateway using dhcp anyway? |
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| 22:51.49 | tmiw_ | themill: my ISP doesn't give static IPs |
| 22:51.58 | wols_ | tmiw_: use a script |
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| 22:52.23 | kjs | hum, whats a good way to display the largests file on / ? |
| 22:52.24 | wols_ | tmiw_: man interfaces |
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| 22:52.39 | dominik__ | hi! |
| 22:52.42 | abrotman | just in /? or including subdirectories? |
| 22:52.48 | dominik__ | need some lvm help |
| 22:53.00 | unfo | dominik__, are you using ubuntu or debian? |
| 22:53.08 | kjs | abrotman: my / is 100% i need to find the offending file or files. |
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| 22:53.21 | tmiw_ | hm, i'll try some more then, thanks |
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| 22:53.35 | themill | tmiw_: worst case scenario if you can't get it working in /e/n/interfaces is to stick a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | kjs: what other partitions do you have? |
| 22:54.03 | dominik__ | want to install debian onto my running xen server which uses the whole disk by one partition and one lvm physical volume |
| 22:54.04 | kjs | is 32GB /home is a sep large partition. |
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| 22:54.16 | kjs | i ment / is 32GB |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | kjs: aptitude clean ? |
| 22:54.23 | dominik__ | i resized the phys. volume and it worked |
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| 22:54.41 | dominik__ | but the partition table seems to contain the old data |
| 22:54.49 | kjs | can try that, i think i know what it is causing this, i need to find where its dumped the large files tho. |
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| 22:54.52 | Funyun | when i type "df", i recieve the wrong information. does anyone know why this is? |
| 22:55.19 | themill | Funyun: in what way is it wrong? |
| 22:55.23 | dominik__ | the partition for the physical volume ends at the end of the hardisk.this is wrong |
| 22:55.33 | abrotman | kjs: you can use 'du' and sort it |
| 22:56.00 | dominik__ | can someone give me a hint on how to update the part table to contain the new data? |
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| 22:57.16 | dominik__ | noone? |
| 22:57.17 | Funyun | themill: for instance i could be completely out of disk space. and it only tells my 39% is in use |
| 22:57.38 | Funyun | me* |
| 22:57.52 | abrotman | Funyun: maybe you're out of inodes? |
| 22:58.00 | themill | Funyun: what filesystem? |
| 22:58.25 | Funyun | themill: debian |
| 22:58.27 | Funyun | etch |
| 22:58.43 | dominik__ | hello? |
| 22:58.49 | Funyun | abrotman: i'm not sure. i'm a noob |
| 22:58.59 | kjs | the debian etch filesystem... |
| 22:59.06 | themill | dpkg: tell dominik__ about patience |
| 22:59.08 | kjs | :P |
| 22:59.09 | wols_ | dominik__: we don't support ubuntu |
| 22:59.31 | dominik__ | i dont want to install ubuntu as I told you |
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| 22:59.50 | irit | anyone knows how to define xkb/keymap? |
| 22:59.57 | themill | Funyun: what does the output of "df -i" look like? Use a pastebin. |
| 22:59.58 | irit | or why when doing |
| 23:00.07 | dominik__ | i'm just using the live cd at the moment. i dont have problems regarding ubuntu |
| 23:00.29 | irit | setxkbmap -keymap somekeymap ; it always shows me the same keymap? |
| 23:00.37 | Funyun | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1225448 |
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| 23:00.48 | dominik__ | so, can you help me? |
| 23:00.57 | themill | abrotman: well there goes that theory |
| 23:00.59 | dominik__ | just need a hint on this |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | Funyun: and paste just 'df' |
| 23:01.27 | abrotman | or df -h |
| 23:02.21 | dominik__ | I mean if you dont know about lvm just tell me |
| 23:02.34 | Funyun | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1225449 |
| 23:02.50 | unfo | dominik__, I don't know anything about lvm. I asked you about ubuntu because I recognized your nick from #ubuntu. It was not meant as any sort of accusation. |
| 23:03.04 | themill | dominik__: there are 830 other people in the channel, do you want them all to tell you they don't know about lvm? |
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| 23:03.13 | dominik__ | ;-) |
| 23:03.20 | dominik__ | no, of course not |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | Funyun: i don't see the problem .. it's not filled |
| 23:03.51 | themill | Funyun: what is happening that you say that your / is full? |
| 23:03.56 | Funyun | abrotman: because it never changes from 39% |
| 23:04.12 | abrotman | define never |
| 23:04.19 | Funyun | abrotman: well if i try to unrar or download something it will say disk is full |
| 23:04.28 | abrotman | Funyun: unrar where? in /home/ or / ? |
| 23:05.02 | unfo | dominik__, please repeat your entire question on one line. then be patient. maybe somebody can help you. ;) |
| 23:05.02 | Funyun | abrotman: home |
| 23:05.32 | abrotman | Funyun: is it a huge file? |
| 23:05.34 | unfo | maybe it's a permissions problem anyway? |
| 23:05.44 | Funyun | abrotman: 700 mb |
| 23:05.46 | themill | Funyun: so that wouldn't use space in / anyway, since home is a separate partition |
| 23:05.50 | zinx | generally the only reason it will say the disk is full is if the disk is really full. |
| 23:06.19 | zinx | it will say "permission denied" or "read only filesystem" or "file size limit exceeded" in various other cases |
| 23:06.28 | Shizuo | Never happens here |
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| 23:06.48 | abrotman | Funyun: what's the actual error it gives? |
| 23:06.50 | Funyun | themill: i've just deleted atleast 30gb and it still says 39%. if i were to download 5gb right now it would still say 39% |
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| 23:07.07 | abrotman | Funyun: / is NOT /home/ |
| 23:07.11 | Funyun | abrotman: i don't have it copied. sorry. |
| 23:07.25 | zinx | Funyun: put the output from "df -hP" on a pastebin |
| 23:07.29 | zinx | and give us the link |
| 23:07.47 | unfo | Funyun, also the output from unrar |
| 23:07.52 | Shizuo | I'm using Vista right now |
| 23:07.59 | themill | zinx: http://pastebin.ca/1225449 |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | Shizuo: wrong channel |
| 23:08.14 | Shizuo | Oops |
| 23:08.21 | Funyun | zinx: http://pastebin.ca/1225452 |
| 23:08.40 | zinx | themill: you are not Funyun and that is not the requested output :P |
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| 23:08.47 | abrotman | Funyun: what is the command you're running? and what's the error ? |
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| 23:08.52 | themill | zinx: he had already pasted it |
| 23:08.55 | zinx | themill: ah, ok |
| 23:09.05 | Shizuo | abrotman: Are you abortman? |
| 23:09.23 | zinx | yeah.. need the error |
| 23:10.00 | Funyun | abrotman: rar x rarfile |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | Funyun: being vague does not help |
| 23:10.26 | themill | Funyun: and what is the directory in which you are running that command? |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | Funyun: paste the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 23:10.45 | Funyun | abrotman: paste what? |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | Funyun: Funyun@/home/funyun:~$ foo command and it's output |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | its |
| 23:12.54 | Funyun | abrotman: i type the command in whichever directory the rar is in. for example "/home/funyun/folder/ |
| 23:13.16 | abrotman | Funyun: so the 39% in / has nothing to do with your error .. so again .. what's the error ? |
| 23:14.04 | Funyun | abrotman: i won't get the error untill i run out of space again. i just told i i deleted a lot of gb's. but no matter what i do. i'm at 39% use |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | Funyun: / is NOT /home/ |
| 23:14.31 | abrotman | i'm going to keep saying it |
| 23:14.33 | zinx | Funyun: you need to delete stuff from /home/ |
| 23:14.40 | zinx | Funyun: if you're running out of space on /home/ |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | which i find hard to believe on a 700mb rar |
| 23:14.57 | Funyun | zinx: where else would i delete from? |
| 23:15.07 | zinx | abrotman: he's apparently deleted a lot since then. |
| 23:15.19 | abrotman | maybe he needs to sync!~ |
| 23:15.45 | zinx | Funyun: there are more filesystems.. you keep mentioning the one that's stuck at 39% |
| 23:15.46 | themill | Funyun: Your 39% figure is for the / partition (/dev/hda1) but you are working on things in /home which only has 12% free *now* and is on /dev/hda2 |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | but it's 26GB |
| 23:16.55 | Funyun | themill: how do you know it has 12% free? |
| 23:17.14 | zinx | Funyun: you pasted the output from df which says so |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | /dev/hda2 226G 189G 26G 88% /home |
| 23:17.53 | abrotman | well . .it's probably 7% free because of root being greed! |
| 23:17.57 | kjs | abrotman: "du -m / | sort -n | tail -10" could take a while ? |
| 23:18.00 | kjs | :) |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:18.15 | themill | abrotman: 26GB free *after* he deleted stuff "but the 39% didn't change"... |
| 23:18.19 | wols_ | Funyun: do you know the concept of "driveletters" in windows? |
| 23:18.24 | zinx | abrotman: nah, the use% takes reserved stuff in to account |
| 23:18.25 | kjs | goes and makes a cup of tea |
| 23:18.43 | abrotman | themill: lots of confusion! |
| 23:18.50 | Funyun | wols_: nope. sorry. |
| 23:18.54 | themill | abrotman: oh yes. |
| 23:19.05 | wols_ | !tell Funyun about grounding |
| 23:19.09 | wols_ | then read that. you need it |
| 23:19.27 | themill | Funyun: you understand that when you delete files from a usb stick that it doesn't make space on your hard disk, don't you? |
| 23:19.46 | Funyun | themill: yes |
| 23:20.32 | themill | Funyun: it's the same between the / and /home partitions on your hard drive. Deleting stuff in /home doesn't change the amount of free space on the / partition. |
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| 23:21.54 | dudeman | dog |
| 23:22.02 | dudeman | uh |
| 23:22.05 | dudeman | ooops |
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| 23:22.23 | Funyun | themill: i see |
| 23:22.52 | gurugentoo | quick question, how do I enable wpa_gui in wpasupplicant? |
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| 23:23.21 | zinx | gurugentoo: recommend using wicd instead, personally |
| 23:24.00 | wols_ | gurugentoo: why would there be a GUI? there is no X dependency |
| 23:24.11 | zinx | wols_: there is a gui |
| 23:24.13 | wols_ | gurugentoo: there is a wpagui package tho |
| 23:24.35 | themill | judd: info wpagui |
| 23:24.35 | wols_ | zinx: might be but not in the wpasupplicant package that's for sure |
| 23:24.35 | judd | themill: wpagui (net): is optional; Version: 0.5.5-2; Size: 100.5k; Installed: 228k -- GUI for wpa_supplicant |
| 23:24.56 | zinx | wols_: yes, it's in the wpagui package as you say, but that's not the question that was asked :) |
| 23:25.18 | wols_ | zinx: you responded to me, not to gurugentoo |
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| 23:25.21 | zinx | or at least i don't think it was.. wpa_gui is a pain to run, IIRC.. you may have to run it as root, for example |
| 23:25.23 | gurugentoo | ah, I didn't realize it was a separate package |
| 23:25.25 | themill | istr it was in the wpa_supplicant package under sarge. |
| 23:25.28 | wols_ | and my assertion still stands |
| 23:25.35 | gurugentoo | it does not have to be root |
| 23:25.38 | zinx | wols_: gurugentoo didn't claim there wasn't a gui. |
| 23:25.48 | wols_ | I did. and you said there was |
| 23:25.51 | zinx | wols_: stop being so combative :x |
| 23:26.14 | wols_ | zinx: if you confuse who to answer this is not my problem |
| 23:26.23 | zinx | wols_: i wasn't answering him |
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| 23:26.43 | wols_ | yes you were answer ME. and I said ther is no such thing in there and you contradicated that wrongly |
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| 23:27.01 | zinx | wols_: i said there is a gui. there is. it's in wpagui. |
| 23:27.20 | themill | umm... guys... |
| 23:27.26 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.29 | wols_ | fucking sundays |
| 23:27.36 | gurugentoo | well my question was answered so no need to continue bickering |
| 23:28.21 | dudeman | wow |
| 23:28.24 | dudeman | what a dick. |
| 23:28.42 | dudeman | zinx, you da man. |
| 23:29.30 | kjs | ? |
| 23:30.09 | dudeman | i was talking about wols being a dick to zinx |
| 23:30.16 | dudeman | they stopped anyway, nm. |
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| 23:35.59 | euzao | hello |
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| 23:38.16 | dw_ | hi. is there some reason why my etch installation, with security.debian in sources.list, is still exhibiting the dumb sshd zombie bug? |
| 23:38.27 | dw_ | everything is up to date, machine has been rebooted from scratch since last update, etc. |
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| 23:39.18 | stew | dw_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssl libssl0.9.8" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:39.20 | bunnyto | what is a sshd bug? |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | dw_: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade .. does it want to install anything ? |
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| 23:39.49 | stew | bunnyto: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 23:40.37 | dw_ | abrotman, stew: http://codepad.org/nm1J96IL |
| 23:40.51 | dw_ | abrotman: er, i mean, nope :) |
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| 23:41.11 | abrotman | close enough |
| 23:41.35 | themill | judd: bug 498678 |
| 23:41.36 | judd | themill: Bug #498678 (pending) openssh-server -- sigdie must not be called from a signal handler context; Severity: grave; Last Modified: 2008-09-15 20:15:07 |
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| 23:42.29 | dw_ | erk, so it's not fixed? |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | dw_: and how are you testing to see that it's not fixed? |
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| 23:43.07 | dw_ | logging in, logging out. doing that for a few days/weeks, then noticing ps output looks like http://codepad.org/cOWIqMsW |
| 23:43.40 | stew | oh, he's not talking about 1571, is he |
| 23:43.54 | dw_ | themill: thanks for the links |
| 23:43.54 | themill | stew: no, CVE-2008-4109 |
| 23:44.08 | dw_ | stew: i was wondering :) |
| 23:45.03 | dw_ | hrmf, Bug marked as fixed in version 1:4.3p2-9etch3,. that's what i have |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | dw_: which openssh-server version ? |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | a poorly configured firewall could do that i suppose |
| 23:46.10 | themill | "marked as fixed" but not closed with a changelog entry ;( |
| 23:46.12 | dw_ | if openssh is so broken that a dodgy network can cause it to chew up processes, i don't think i want to use linux any more ;) |
| 23:46.24 | dudeman | first of all |
| 23:46.30 | dudeman | the two are completely unrelated |
| 23:46.41 | dw_ | http://codepad.org/4WTFQ9fF <- apt-cache policy openssl. there is an iptables firewall on the machine, but i'm unwilling to accept changing that as a fix. that's rediculous |
| 23:46.42 | dudeman | don't say things like that to take our your frustrations. |
| 23:47.05 | dudeman | 2ndly, consider that not everyone is having this problem, meaning its not specifically tied to all versions of openssh-server |
| 23:47.11 | dudeman | 3rdly, don't give up. |
| 23:47.19 | dw_ | i'm not taking out my frustrations, i'm stating a fact as a software engineer. if openssh relies on the network to be perfect in order not to cain my machine, then that is Broken (caps and all). |
| 23:47.32 | dudeman | dw_, yes but what has this to do with 'linux' |
| 23:47.33 | abrotman | dw_: note .. i said poorly |
| 23:47.36 | dw_ | 2ndly, notice the wink: ";)" |
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| 23:48.07 | dw_ | abrotman: the worst a bad firewall can do is make the conncetion timeout or go dead for extended periods. at the application level, sshd should be able to deal with taht as i'd expect form any app |
| 23:48.30 | abrotman | i didn't note how long they'd been running |
| 23:48.41 | dw_ | fuck it. i'll wait a month and re-run apt. |
| 23:48.43 | dw_ | thank guys |
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| 23:48.51 | themill | wtf? |
| 23:49.24 | themill | The symptoms are different to that CVE anyway. Oh well. |
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| 23:50.19 | nxmehta | why are there duplicate commands for print management (lpr + lp, cancel + lprm)? is there a reason to use one set over another? |
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| 23:51.46 | wols_ | nxmehta: mostly historic baggage |
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| 23:51.59 | wols_ | there are about 3 major printing systems under *nix |
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