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| 00:11.40 | sCOTTo | hey guys I am setting up a debian server - I am new to this - I have an intel motherboard with built in RAID controller - I want to mirror 2 sata hard drives. Can anyone help me with this ? |
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| 00:12.22 | abrotman | sCOTTo: it's probably fakeraid .. you'll have to use swraid |
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| 00:12.38 | ptheabstract | hey there |
| 00:12.39 | sCOTTo | abrotman, how ? |
| 00:12.43 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:12.43 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | the installation manual tells you how |
| 00:13.03 | sCOTTo | abrotman, where do i get it? debian.org ? |
| 00:13.09 | abrotman | the link above |
| 00:13.36 | sCOTTo | cool |
| 00:14.04 | sCOTTo | abrotman, can you explain a bit more... |
| 00:14.39 | sCOTTo | abrotman, can I make debian create the raid internally ? |
| 00:14.55 | ptheabstract | ...if someone is bored enough/has patience enough....help a complete utter noob (me) get a zydas 1211b driver working in debian? |
| 00:15.30 | nxmehta | when i print a pdf file via lp, the quality of the printed page is pretty terrible (huge difference between lp and printing in windows). anything i should be doing to increase the quality? |
| 00:15.54 | abrotman | sCOTTo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition there's a section there about software raid |
| 00:16.42 | sCOTTo | thanks |
| 00:18.23 | sCOTTo | abrotman, does the raid setup happen before OS install or after ? |
| 00:18.34 | abrotman | during |
| 00:18.40 | sCOTTo | errr... bugger ok |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | well .. before the actual OS install .. but during the OS install process |
| 00:19.12 | H2S04 | abrotman, you can do either! |
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| 00:19.20 | H2S04 | abrotman, it's software raid ! |
| 00:19.34 | sCOTTo | H2S04, so i can install the os and THEN make the raid ? |
| 00:19.37 | sCOTTo | its a mirror |
| 00:20.13 | H2S04 | sure, depending on the type of raid if you want your OS in a raid you have to set it up before. |
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| 00:20.31 | rkvirani | Whats the deal with 'iceweasel' |
| 00:20.33 | H2S04 | But if it's a mirror or you just want to stripe data you can do it afterwards |
| 00:20.41 | sCOTTo | H2S04, I want to setup 2 disks which are 1 TB in size to RAID 1 - Mirror |
| 00:20.44 | H2S04 | rkvirani, "free" version of firefox. |
| 00:20.47 | rkvirani | I thought it was mozilla firefox |
| 00:20.59 | sCOTTo | ok c00l |
| 00:21.03 | stew | rkvirani: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 00:21.07 | rkvirani | version of ahh the reported user agent must be off, some sites has problem |
| 00:21.09 | sCOTTo | H2S04, i will do it afterwards :) |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | H2S04: uhm .. he is using swraid |
| 00:21.21 | sCOTTo | i am not using anything yet |
| 00:21.40 | rkvirani | hrm |
| 00:21.46 | stew | rkvirani: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 00:21.47 | rkvirani | I think they are openning it arent they |
| 00:21.55 | rkvirani | stew: I did |
| 00:21.59 | stew | rkvirani: openeing what? |
| 00:21.59 | rkvirani | I Read |
| 00:22.05 | rkvirani | the trademarks and logos |
| 00:22.19 | rkvirani | or something... I read about them 'fully' open sourcing the browser |
| 00:22.32 | stew | the browser is already fully open source |
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| 00:22.41 | rkvirani | stew: then why doesnt debian use it |
| 00:22.44 | ptheabstract | if anyone could give me a hand getting a zd1211b driver working...could you give me a pm? |
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| 00:23.03 | stew | rkvirani: we do, we just don't use the trademark or the logos |
| 00:23.21 | rkvirani | stew: hrm, well I figured those would be open sourced as well |
| 00:23.23 | H2S04 | sCOTTo, it's probably easier for you to do it beforehand :P |
| 00:23.27 | rkvirani | but the userAgent was changed |
| 00:23.35 | stew | rkvirani: i don't know what it would mean to opensource a trademark |
| 00:23.42 | sCOTTo | H2S04, ok is there an easy way of doing it ?? |
| 00:23.45 | rkvirani | which makes it a PITA to use especiall for websites that do browser detection. |
| 00:24.04 | H2S04 | rkvirani, it doesn't matter. |
| 00:24.17 | rkvirani | H2S04: uhh yes it does |
| 00:24.19 | abrotman | sCOTTo: i just pointed you at the instructions |
| 00:24.25 | H2S04 | rkvirani, the "core" is still the same, and you can have your browser to report whatever you want. |
| 00:24.27 | sCOTTo | im reading d00d.. |
| 00:24.37 | H2S04 | sCOTTo, |
| 00:24.38 | H2S04 | [VO_TDFXFB] This driver only supports the 3Dfx Banshee, Voodoo3 and Voodoo 5. |
| 00:24.40 | H2S04 | s3fb: Couldn't map S3 registers: Operation not permitted |
| 00:24.41 | rkvirani | H2S04: perhaps you know nothing of web development but it does screw the user experience |
| 00:24.42 | H2S04 | erp |
| 00:24.42 | abrotman | rkvirani: you can use a UA switcher to make it say "rkvirani's wicked cool browser" if you like |
| 00:24.44 | H2S04 | sorry |
| 00:25.20 | H2S04 | rkvirani, I know of web dev, I do it for a living. |
| 00:25.20 | rkvirani | H2S04: abrotman yeah but that would screw with my perceived compatibility by a web application. |
| 00:25.20 | sCOTTo | has gonet o play with some h/w |
| 00:25.33 | stew | rkvirani: it still reports itself as Gecko |
| 00:25.38 | H2S04 | yes |
| 00:25.41 | H2S04 | exactly |
| 00:25.41 | rkvirani | H2S04: then yoy would know that it does matter |
| 00:25.41 | rkvirani | really |
| 00:25.45 | H2S04 | that's why it doesn't matter. |
| 00:25.48 | rkvirani | thats why hotmail doesnt work with iceweasel |
| 00:25.58 | rkvirani | try it |
| 00:25.59 | H2S04 | hotmail works with iceweasel |
| 00:26.02 | H2S04 | wtf are you talking about. |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | rkvirani: when i do browser checking .. i look for "Gecko" not FIrefox |
| 00:26.11 | H2S04 | My friends use hotmail when they ocome over all the time. |
| 00:26.14 | stew | rkvirani: and there isn't really a choice, other than removing it from debian completely |
| 00:26.15 | H2S04 | abrotman, me too :) |
| 00:26.35 | H2S04 | abrotman, but I'm not a moron that knows _all_ about web dev. :P |
| 00:26.41 | rkvirani | really?http://by119w.bay119.mail.live.com/mail/browsersupport.aspx?targetUrl=%2fmail%2fTodayLight.aspx%3fwa%3dwsignin1.0%26n%3d179760739 |
| 00:27.02 | rkvirani | stew: the userAgent has nothing to do with branding |
| 00:27.13 | rkvirani | those default settings... are well... default settings |
| 00:27.15 | abrotman | rkvirani: not sure what i'm supposed to see but i got a login screen |
| 00:27.23 | rkvirani | abrotman: I didnt |
| 00:27.28 | stew | rkvirani: ok, but debian is not allowed to use the firefox trademark, so we can't put it in the useragent string |
| 00:27.31 | rkvirani | I have iceweasel installed on lenny |
| 00:27.39 | rkvirani | stew: ahh I see |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | rkvirani: and that was actually with Epiphany .. not Iceweasel |
| 00:27.58 | rkvirani | abrotman: ahh well we are not talking about Epiphany are we :D |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | rkvirani: i can try with IW too if you like |
| 00:28.19 | rkvirani | abrotman: be my hguest |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | rkvirani: well .. other than the fact apparently my mom used IW to check her mail .. seems fine |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | yeah .. now i get a login |
| 00:30.20 | rkvirani | Epiphany brought up the same ther eis a contiue link |
| 00:30.22 | rkvirani | I gtg |
| 00:30.23 | rkvirani | later |
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| 00:41.57 | sparn | where did you guys hide the iceweasel source - i would love to try it? :) |
| 00:42.24 | sparn | i'm not happy with firefox's phoning home |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | phoning home ? |
| 00:45.24 | sparn | surely you know |
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| 00:45.53 | abrotman | i gather you're not using debian ? |
| 00:46.23 | sparn | did debian remove the phoning home? :) |
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| 00:46.40 | ech0dish | sup |
| 00:46.58 | abrotman | sparn: no idea what it even is |
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| 00:47.33 | sparn | swap - tell me where to find the iceweasel source and i'll give the urls firefox phones home to ;) |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel |
| 00:48.11 | craigevil | i take it you mean the Talkback stuff? |
| 00:48.21 | sparn | talkback is in thunderbird |
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| 00:48.54 | abrotman | it's in both |
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| 00:49.21 | sparn | i don;t get talkback just installing firefox |
| 00:49.34 | sparn | abrotman it is 10 urls can i paste here? |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:49.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:51.03 | sparn | http://rafb.net/p/AiIEvz37.html |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | okay .. and ? |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | i mean .. some of those seem important |
| 00:53.01 | craigevil | the addons.mozilla.org definitely wouldnt be a good idea to turn off thats what checks your installed extensions for updates |
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| 00:53.15 | abrotman | i'm assuming the second is checking for updates |
| 00:53.18 | sparn | the iceweasel and icedove are completely separate from firefox code? even though the numbers are the same |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | course .. FF has nothing to do with debian reall |
| 00:53.32 | abrotman | y |
| 00:53.35 | sparn | i don't allow any software to decide it's own updates |
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| 00:53.43 | craigevil | !why iceweasel |
| 00:53.43 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
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| 00:55.14 | sparn | i hope you did remove the phoning home - (btw i appreciate the work debian did on wmctrl - you should make some of these things available as pure source for non-debian users :) |
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| 00:56.21 | abrotman | sparn: want some wodim too ? |
| 00:56.31 | sparn | what is wodim |
| 00:57.33 | HeXiLed | wwwwooooooo dim |
| 00:57.41 | sparn | the cd burning? |
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| 00:59.36 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 00:59.36 | dpkg | [wodim] a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
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| 01:00.52 | abrotman | sparn: which distro are you using ? |
| 01:00.54 | sparn | i did try cdrkit but it needed cmake and it would have been my first app using it so i stayed with cdrtools and schillytools for now (yea i know_ |
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| 01:01.43 | sparn | it is originally a mandrake antique but with all rpms replaced with uptodate source - i just kept the inittab and init |
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| 01:04.50 | abrotman | you could uh .. just install debian :) |
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| 01:05.45 | sparn | i did try - but i'm ingrained to the init.d and chkconfig layout - |
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| 01:06.04 | abrotman | that's kind of sad :) |
| 01:06.13 | bewpy | can anyone here be kind enough to help me with wine? :) |
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| 01:06.25 | abrotman | bewpy: need more info |
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| 01:06.41 | bewpy | well i installed it and installed a program.. but cant figure out how to run it |
| 01:06.57 | bewpy | the program i installed that is |
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| 01:07.17 | abrotman | wine path/to/foo.exe |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | or see if you ahve a Wine menu in your programs |
| 01:07.34 | bbto | Hi any help installing debian |
| 01:07.44 | bewpy | thats the thing.. when it installed it installed it into Program files or something.. where is the program files? |
| 01:07.56 | H2S04 | wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/programname/*.exe |
| 01:07.59 | mythomaniac | I used the program bastille to harden my system, but in the process i changed the permissions for the user to be able to mount cd's, dvd's and such - is there a way i can fix this? |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | bewpy: ~/.wine/blahblahblah/ |
| 01:08.29 | bewpy | so ~/.wine/Program Files/blahblah? |
| 01:08.42 | bbto | how can i choose the programs i want in a cd installation? |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | not quite .. poke around ,. you'll find it |
| 01:08.53 | abrotman | bbto: huh ? |
| 01:08.54 | bewpy | thanks H2 |
| 01:08.58 | bewpy | H2S04, * |
| 01:09.07 | H2S04 | :P |
| 01:09.17 | bbto | abrotman: need help installing Debian |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | bbto: i got that .. so do the install .. |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | bbto: or rather .. what about it ? |
| 01:10.09 | bbto | i already download an iso but just have 1 GB HDD |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | okay .. and? |
| 01:10.26 | bewpy | hmm.. it says the application im trying to run is already open.. but i dont see it.. |
| 01:10.31 | bewpy | im trying to install Steam |
| 01:10.43 | bbto | so when installing programs i have an error 1 |
| 01:10.50 | H2S04 | bewpy, for games or just for chatting? |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | bbto: what's the error ? |
| 01:11.00 | bewpy | well will it work for games? |
| 01:11.03 | H2S04 | ps aux | grep -i steam bewpy |
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| 01:11.11 | H2S04 | bewpy, eh, depends on what you want to play. |
| 01:11.21 | bewpy | CS |
| 01:11.21 | bewpy | lol |
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| 01:11.23 | bbto | abortman: no space |
| 01:11.28 | H2S04 | I have a windows partition for newer games, because I don't like the performance hit. |
| 01:11.36 | H2S04 | CS:S or 1.6? |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | bbto: what did you install ? 1GB is enough to install Debian |
| 01:11.48 | bewpy | 1.6 |
| 01:11.58 | ecto | Hello |
| 01:11.58 | H2S04 | it'll run them but not as well as in windows unfortunately. 1.6 should be ok though. It's pretty old. |
| 01:12.13 | bewpy | yeah.. okay i typed ps aux | grep -i steam |
| 01:12.16 | H2S04 | bewpy, I run Starcraft: Brood war and all those older games in Virtual Machines. |
| 01:12.19 | bewpy | bewpy 3729 0.0 0.1 2852 708 pts/1 R+ 06:11 0:00 grep -i steam |
| 01:12.25 | ecto | Is there a way to enable true transparency of the terminal window under KDE? |
| 01:12.36 | H2S04 | ps aux | grep -i wine |
| 01:12.39 | bbto | abortman: first i tried a minimal cd (netinst) but got the same error |
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| 01:12.57 | bewpy | bewpy 3755 0.0 0.1 2848 700 pts/1 R+ 06:12 0:00 grep -i wine |
| 01:12.58 | bewpy | got that |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | bbto: so you can't install anything at all? |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | bbto: do you have the actual error ? |
| 01:13.19 | bunnyto | how is possible to search ones string, i.e. "some text" in all the files with .txt on the server? |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | bunnyto: man grep |
| 01:13.32 | bbto | abortman: no |
| 01:13.43 | H2S04 | bewpy, how are you trying to run steam? wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Steam/Steam.exe |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | bbto: is the computer running now ? |
| 01:13.44 | H2S04 | ? |
| 01:13.49 | bewpy | yep |
| 01:13.53 | bewpy | ill try it again |
| 01:14.09 | bewpy | it opens steam for a second |
| 01:14.12 | bbto | yes, is old |
| 01:14.13 | enouf | bunnyto: man find to grab all .txt files first |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | bbto: doesn't matter |
| 01:14.20 | H2S04 | bewpy, what does the console say? |
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| 01:14.23 | bewpy | and it goes to the updating thing.. then a window comes up saying theres already a steam running |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | enouf: why? you don't need to |
| 01:14.32 | bewpy | Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin .wine/drive_c/Program Files/Steam/Steam.exe ... |
| 01:14.42 | bewpy | until i close the error that comes up with staem |
| 01:14.47 | bewpy | then more stuff comes up in the terminal |
| 01:14.57 | bbto | right now started again with the cd installation |
| 01:15.05 | mythomaniac | bastille states to do chmod u+s to both mount and umount to allow users to mount unmount cd's dvd's again, and doing which mount shows /bin/... so am i right that i should issue that command on both those files? |
| 01:15.07 | H2S04 | but it's supposedly not running :X |
| 01:15.08 | bewpy | hmm thats time it said Wine exited with a successful status |
| 01:15.16 | enouf | abrotman: ... either i just awoke, or you've been here too long - remind me how then --> |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | bbto: how much HDD space do you have |
| 01:15.22 | H2S04 | bewpy, that's what we were checking with ps aux | grep -i steam |
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| 01:15.40 | H2S04 | bewpy, I would say just try to log out and back in see if it works then. |
| 01:15.44 | bewpy | im new to linux.. honestly dont know what ps aux does |
| 01:15.45 | bbto | 1.1GB |
| 01:15.48 | H2S04 | bewpy, it might, it might not. |
| 01:15.53 | bewpy | alright |
| 01:16.01 | H2S04 | bewpy, but I would just log out and log back in. personally. |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | enouf: grep -R "string" *.txt ? |
| 01:16.06 | bewpy | ok brb |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | bbto: and how much RAM? |
| 01:16.23 | bbto | 256MB |
| 01:16.38 | enouf | abrotman: erm, all .txt files on a HDD? |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | bbto: okay .. so make a 200MB swap partition .. and use the rest for / |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | -R ? |
| 01:16.50 | sparn | abrotman - and don;t foreget the unique firefox *.default identifier (8**36 possible character identifier) that gets sent home on first run (i can't verify personally verify it but have been told it is visible with wireshark) |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | enouf: no idea .. maybe i've raided your stash |
| 01:17.07 | bbto | abrotman: it did somthing less for swap |
| 01:17.08 | enouf | abrotman: em, no ;-) |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | bbto: that's okay too |
| 01:17.29 | enouf | abrotman: find . -name '*.txt' -type f | xargs grep 'some text' |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | i think -R works .. but i don't really feel like testing :) |
| 01:18.08 | abrotman | nope .. doesn't .. have a nice day :) |
| 01:18.12 | bbto | i'd like to know ifthere is possible to choose the programs to install? |
| 01:18.14 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 01:18.31 | abrotman | bbto: sure there is .. but most people wait til after the install |
| 01:19.07 | bbto | abrotman: what about during install |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | bbto: at the end you can choose some tasks |
| 01:20.08 | bbto | abrotman: but it has never get the eend |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 01:20.52 | bbto | abrotman: can it be another problem? |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | it could be |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | enouf: i suppose you could grep -R string * | grep txt .. but whatever |
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| 01:22.11 | bbto | abrotman: right now its config.. network |
| 01:23.27 | raekism_ | How do you open a .rar file in Debian? |
| 01:24.20 | bbto | abrotman: its partitioning |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | bbto: and how big was / ? |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | !tell raekism_ about unrar |
| 01:25.26 | Shizuo | !tell abrotman about abortion |
| 01:25.29 | bbto | all HDD? HDD + config LVM? HDD +LVM crypt? Manual? |
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| 01:25.55 | bbto | how can i found that? |
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| 01:26.06 | raekism_ | !unrar |
| 01:26.07 | dpkg | i heard unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | raekism_: the bot just told you |
| 01:26.29 | bbto | find (sorry) |
| 01:26.30 | raekism_ | !unrar-free |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | i heard unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0). |
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| 01:26.35 | abrotman | !tell raekism_ about msg the bot |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | bbto: it will tell you when it is creating hte partitions |
| 01:28.01 | raekism_ | how do I message the bot? |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | raekism_: /msg dpkg foo |
| 01:28.14 | raekism_ | does not work in pm |
| 01:28.14 | bbto | abrotman: its asking in order to partitioning |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | raekism_: yes it does |
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| 01:29.48 | bbto | abrotman: HDD (All)?: HDD + LVM? : HDD +LVM crypt : Manual? |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | just do it regular .. |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | do the All thing |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | or guided partition or whatever it offers you |
| 01:30.17 | bbto | i have always choose HDD |
| 01:31.00 | bbto | it saying 1.1GB |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | oaky .. that's fine |
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| 01:32.12 | bbto | abrotman: ALL files in one partition?: /home apart? : /home /usr/var /tmp apart? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | all files in one |
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| 01:33.02 | dalias | hey |
| 01:33.06 | bbto | abrotman: Ok |
| 01:33.49 | dalias | i'm trying to deal with a debian box (not mine, doing support remotely) that has a somewhat outdated kernel and won't recognize the newfangled ide (pata) controller in a board with both sata and pata |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | dalias: uname -a |
| 01:34.16 | dalias | i think just booting from a rescue cd would be a decent workaround until the kernel on the box itself can be updated |
| 01:34.20 | bbto | abrotman: Ok, #1 978MB ext3 / ; #5 106.9 MB Swap |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | bbto: seems fine |
| 01:34.43 | dalias | but i can't seem to find where to get a rescue cd image |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | dalias: uname -a |
| 01:34.56 | dalias | ok 1 sec |
| 01:35.06 | bbto | abrotman: finish partitioning and writing down |
| 01:35.08 | dalias | i said the box is remote but i might have the kernel version in one of the logs sent to me |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | dalias: can't you login ? |
| 01:35.38 | dalias | no |
| 01:35.44 | dalias | 1. i'm doing support remotely |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | do you even know which version of Debian ? |
| 01:35.54 | dalias | yes |
| 01:36.09 | dalias | 2. it's stopping during the initrd part of boot since it can't mount the real root fs |
| 01:36.29 | abrotman | is it etch? |
| 01:36.32 | dalias | it's sid, upgraded maybe 6 months ago |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:36.42 | dalias | but the kernel might not have been upgraded then |
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| 01:36.49 | abrotman | the admin should be shot |
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| 01:37.56 | bbto | abrotman: installing base system |
| 01:38.04 | dalias | anyway i'm pretty sure the problem is just that the kernel is too old and missing the necessary ata drivers |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | not if it's sid .. from six months ago it would be 2.6.26 |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | maybe .24 |
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| 01:38.32 | dalias | well like i said, i dunno if the kernel was upgraded then |
| 01:38.47 | dalias | but debian is known to run on this board |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | so you can't ssh in at all ? |
| 01:39.03 | dalias | lol no the box stops at failure to mount root fs |
| 01:39.15 | dalias | there's no sshd on initrd... |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | no there is not |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 01:39.58 | dpkg | somebody said rescue was at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 01:40.07 | dalias | thanks |
| 01:40.12 | dalias | that's probably what i was looking for |
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| 01:46.34 | abrotman | bbto: do not msg me |
| 01:46.36 | dalias | is it possible to pass root=/dev/hda1 or whatever to the debianinstaller cd at boot time and have it bring up the system using the kernel on the cd? |
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| 01:46.45 | bbto | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | bbto: i would skip the xfce installation .. |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | bbto: 1GB might not be enough for that |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | dalias: not sure .. never tried |
| 01:47.48 | bbto | abrotman: probably but i'd like to know if i can choose the programs to install |
| 01:48.05 | dalias | maybe i should just try it on one of my systems here... |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | bbto: at the end .. when it has the little thing to ask you what to install .. only hve "Standard" checked and uncheck everything else |
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| 01:48.47 | bbto | ok |
| 01:49.15 | bbto | i tried that but there is no GUI |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | that's okay .. we'll take care of that later |
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| 01:50.07 | bbto | the problem is that with this cd it does not ak me what to install |
| 01:50.27 | H2S04 | dalias, yes |
| 01:50.35 | H2S04 | dalias, you can bring up the system using the livecd kernel. |
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| 01:50.50 | bbto | i did it using the mini iso cd trough net |
| 01:51.37 | dalias | h2s04, what's the boot command to use to do it? |
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| 01:52.46 | abrotman | bbto: it still should |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | bbto: anyways .. if the netinst is what you want .. use that .. we can install a GUI after the installation |
| 01:53.23 | bbto | abrotman: Ok |
| 01:55.16 | enouf | dalias: why don't you boot a regular admin livecd like maybe grml.org, and boot it; chroot; install new kernel from debian.org? |
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| 01:56.49 | enouf | dalias: if you use rescue mode from debian install cd, it's very limited (compared to a livecd, i forget the details, but it's perfect for reinstalling grub), and it'll mount ro, etc etc |
| 01:57.15 | bbto | abrotman: do i need a net replica ? |
| 01:57.29 | abrotman | network apt source .. yes |
| 01:58.34 | enouf | bbto: is that like a 2GB HDD on a circa 199x computer? :-) |
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| 01:58.52 | chuck | Hi, how do I make apt-get not prompt me to say Y or n when installing a package? |
| 01:59.01 | enouf | 1.1GB for '/' + 9xxMB for swap? wtf? |
| 01:59.07 | H2S04 | enouf, but he can boot his existing system with a livecd kernel. |
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| 01:59.20 | enouf | H2S04: he whom? |
| 01:59.21 | H2S04 | enouf, so what's it matter what disk he uses? |
| 01:59.25 | H2S04 | dalias |
| 01:59.28 | bbto | enouf: no its celeron 433MHz |
| 01:59.30 | enouf | H2S04: i doubt it |
| 01:59.37 | H2S04 | enouf, I do it all the time. |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | chuck: -y |
| 01:59.55 | enouf | bbto: celeron 433 came with a 8.4GB HDD at most ;-) |
| 02:00.02 | enouf | H2S04: you misunderstand |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | enouf: no .. it was 980MB for / and 110MB for swap |
| 02:00.31 | bbto | yes |
| 02:00.32 | enouf | abrotman: hehe - even ... |
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| 02:02.12 | dalias | h2s04, indeed, it would be nicer to simply bring up the system live (since nothing is broken except for not being able to boot it) rather than being stuck in a crippled rescue console with very few tools |
| 02:02.31 | enouf | H2S04: he claims a 6month old Sid kernel is not new enough - it'll depend on which debian installer cd he has handy - oh nm, just to upgrade the kernel he can, sure - my bad |
| 02:02.36 | dalias | no |
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| 02:03.06 | dalias | i don't know if the kernel was upgraded then |
| 02:03.12 | bbto | abrotman: thats it : it did not ask me and now its installing programs |
| 02:03.22 | H2S04 | enouf, haha. |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | bbto: and then it will run out of space again ? how much did it say it was going to download ? |
| 02:03.44 | dalias | all i claim is that the kernel which is on the hd (whatever version it is) does not detect the ide controller |
| 02:04.16 | enouf | H2S04: welp, would you use rescue mode to boot the installer in this case? Or, go through the motions of installation, alt-f2 to get a shell - mount / rw, chroot, apt-get install linux-image-xxxxx, then remount ro, then back out of installer gracefully? |
| 02:04.36 | enouf | dalias: must be a new IDE Controller? |
| 02:04.38 | bbto | yes, 522 files |
| 02:04.47 | dalias | yes |
| 02:04.53 | H2S04 | rescue mode is easy enough to fix it with. But if he wants a "NEW" kernel, I'd download once from kernel.org and compile it. |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | bbto: i meant MB |
| 02:05.04 | enouf | H2S04: i just forget how to back out of installer gracefully ;) |
| 02:05.05 | H2S04 | enouf, boot the system with the live cd kernel instead of booting the disk. |
| 02:05.22 | bbto | abrotman: nothing about MB |
| 02:05.25 | H2S04 | I'd just crtl + alt + del to reboot assuming he hasn't fdisk'd yet. |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | he could hit ctrl-c and just kill it |
| 02:05.46 | enouf | H2S04: right, i know no HDD writes are done till at the partitioning stage |
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| 02:06.09 | bbto | its saying 200 files from 522 (14m39s left) |
| 02:06.12 | H2S04 | he already cited what he needs to do to bring the system up with the live cd kernel. |
| 02:06.14 | enouf | so much for graceful :-P |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | bbto: just hit ctrl-c |
| 02:06.18 | enouf | but if it works, who cares |
| 02:06.29 | bbto | abrotman: sure? |
| 02:06.34 | H2S04 | enouf, so I assume he's read about how to boot a partition from a livecd. |
| 02:06.35 | abrotman | bbto: if it goes badly .. we'll have you use the netinst :) |
| 02:06.51 | dalias | actually that's what i'm missing |
| 02:07.01 | H2S04 | or if he's less experienced, use GRML. |
| 02:07.05 | dalias | what's the way to boot a partition from an install/live cd |
| 02:07.07 | H2S04 | GRML is a great tool! |
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| 02:07.23 | H2S04 | ... if you don't have a partition why not just use the installer? |
| 02:07.32 | H2S04 | dalias, and you can use gparted, or fdisk, or cfdisk. |
| 02:07.34 | dalias | are you talking to me? |
| 02:07.39 | H2S04 | I prefer cfdisk for creating new partitions. |
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| 02:07.41 | dalias | of course there's a partition |
| 02:08.01 | dalias | by 'boot a partition' i meant boot with rootfs=some_existing_partition |
| 02:08.16 | enouf | H2S04: no need to boot a partition, ...besides how would you do that? I just can't think of a way atm from the installer - i'm just starting 2nd cup of coffee here |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | bbto: what happeend? |
| 02:08.39 | dalias | it's very likely too that the new drivers will rename the hdd to /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda... |
| 02:08.42 | H2S04 | enouf, well you need to be at the grub menu of the bootcd |
| 02:08.50 | H2S04 | and you can tell it where to book from |
| 02:08.55 | enouf | dalias: you don't need to - just boot the livecd and chroot, apt-get install |
| 02:08.59 | H2S04 | dalias, then you just fix your menu.list :P |
| 02:09.13 | enouf | heh |
| 02:09.13 | dalias | but so far, the drive is not detected at all |
| 02:09.20 | H2S04 | enouf, is right easiest thing for you is probably a live cd. |
| 02:09.27 | enouf | you don;t need the drive dalias |
| 02:09.27 | bbto | abrotman: not sure about ctl C, it has download 503 from 522 |
| 02:09.28 | dalias | cat /proc/partitions (from busybox shell) shows an empty file (except for the header line) |
| 02:09.31 | enouf | or do you? |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | bbto: hit ctrl-c and stop it |
| 02:09.39 | dalias | enouf, huh? |
| 02:10.02 | enouf | dalias: is "the drive" the ONLY system drive that contains your / partition? |
| 02:10.05 | dalias | enouf, i am trying to make an existing system (moved to a new motherboard with newfangled ide controller crap) bootable again |
| 02:10.18 | bbto | abrotman: did nor work |
| 02:10.19 | dalias | and yes there's only one hdd |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | bbto: hold it in! |
| 02:10.29 | dalias | there's also a cdrom drive that can be used to boot |
| 02:10.33 | keith80403 | Normally, how long is Sid frozen after a stable release ? |
| 02:10.38 | dalias | and usb boot would be possible too |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | keith80403: sid doesn't freeze |
| 02:10.43 | bbto | did tit\ |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | bbto: and what do you have now ? |
| 02:10.54 | bbto | its not working |
| 02:10.58 | enouf | ok, well, then you'll want to chroot into the install - maybe the mobo is broken or BIOS is not setup right , or Cables are not, or Drive Jumpers, or whatever |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | what's not working? |
| 02:11.12 | bbto | ctrl C |
| 02:11.29 | dalias | enouf, arrg no |
| 02:11.32 | dalias | the problem is the kernel |
| 02:11.34 | enouf | ok, well, then you'll want to chroot into /your installation/ .. after booting livecd |
| 02:11.37 | keith80403 | abrotman, If I'm running Unstable, then to switch to a stable Lenny system, I'd change sources.list to point to Stable right after Lenny's release, then? |
| 02:11.37 | enouf | no |
| 02:11.40 | enouf | it is not |
| 02:11.40 | dalias | the bios BOOTS the kernel and initrd off the hdd |
| 02:11.41 | bbto | abrotman: shuld i try ctl Z? |
| 02:11.46 | enouf | the problem is you ;-) |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | keith80403: that won't work |
| 02:11.50 | abrotman | bbto: that won't help either |
| 02:11.52 | H2S04 | dalias, the kernel wouldn't just stop working. |
| 02:11.54 | dalias | but then the kernel cannot find the hdd again to mount the root fs |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | you can try |
| 02:12.00 | dalias | h2s04, it's a new motherboard |
| 02:12.05 | dalias | i've said thsi what, twice? |
| 02:12.10 | enouf | nope |
| 02:12.28 | bbto | abrotman: it did nothing. still downloading |
| 02:12.29 | enouf | dalias: at exactly which point does it stop? |
| 02:12.48 | enouf | dalias: also, then just reroll an initrd with support for your IDE contrroller and FSs |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | bbto: it's going to run out of HDD space again i'd guess |
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| 02:13.11 | bbto | abrotman: i agree |
| 02:13.30 | keith80403 | abrotman, So I'll have to reload the system with sources.list pointed to stable, right? I was hoping to avoid a big download of packages, since at release, the version numbers for stable and unstable would be about equal...? |
| 02:13.34 | dalias | 1. power on 2. bios finds hdd fine 3. bios loads and transfers control to the loader (lilo in this case) 4. lilo loads the kernel and initrd fine 5. initrd phase of boot goes fine 6. mounting /root fails, no such device |
| 02:14.02 | dalias | enouf, indeed, the kernel/initrd lacks the necessary driver |
| 02:14.05 | enouf | dalias: BIOS doesn't boot a kernel, it boots a HDD (usually) which feeds it the kernel, which then loads itself + initrd ... |
| 02:14.07 | dalias | that's been the point all along |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | keith80403: that's wrong .. you already missed that point awhile ago |
| 02:14.30 | dalias | enouf, if you read my last msg (6 steps) you would see that i understand boot process just fine.. |
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| 02:14.37 | enouf | dalias: ok |
| 02:14.44 | enouf | you can fix it then ;-) |
| 02:14.50 | enouf | no sarcasm - really |
| 02:14.53 | keith80403 | abrotman, NP, thought I'd ask anyway, thank you. |
| 02:15.17 | dalias | all i'm asking for is the proper command line to make the installer cd boot with an existing hd partition as root fs rather than using the fs on the cd |
| 02:15.34 | enouf | dalias: is there any dmraid or mdadm or LVM or crypt involved? |
| 02:15.36 | torr | what do I need to upgrade to get over this bug? |
| 02:15.38 | torr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409982 |
| 02:15.51 | dalias | and i never remember all the intricacies of isolinux/syslinux/whatever because i normally only encounter lilo or grub command lines |
| 02:15.58 | dalias | enouf, nope, just plain hd partition |
| 02:16.01 | dalias | also |
| 02:16.05 | dalias | the box is remote |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | torr: it says it's been fixed |
| 02:16.15 | dalias | i'm doing support for someone who is only moderately tech-savvy |
| 02:16.17 | torr | is it xkb_data? |
| 02:16.24 | torr | abrotman, I have it |
| 02:16.30 | torr | the bug |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | torr: still broken in etch? |
| 02:16.35 | enouf | dalias: you could do something like memdisk boot, but whatever - just cp the initrd, reroll it, put it back -- you know you can point menu.lst/grub to a different initrd |
| 02:16.53 | torr | abrotman, Yes, but... |
| 02:17.09 | dalias | well for now, i just want to boot it. then once it's booted, fixing things will be much easier |
| 02:17.17 | enouf | dalias: do you know how to update the initrd? |
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| 02:17.54 | torr | abrotman, I also use freenx so I don't know how this is divided between the freenx Xserver, and debian |
| 02:18.02 | enouf | suppose the livecd/installer doesn't even have support? See H2S04 - we're back to "which installer" cd specifics |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | i don't use freenx |
| 02:18.17 | torr | I do |
| 02:18.55 | torr | I am not sure if the xserver on the remote machine run it or the local machine |
| 02:19.07 | dalias | enouf, every report i've seen says thsi board is well-supported for linux |
| 02:19.24 | H2S04 | enouf, I'm growing tired of this. |
| 02:20.09 | H2S04 | enouf, I personally would just reinstall, or recompile the kernel. Generally when I replace hardware I boot into a live cd chroot and recompile the kernel. |
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| 02:20.51 | H2S04 | dalias, well then you boot it with a kernel from a live CD use google there is plenty information on how to perform said operation. |
| 02:21.26 | torr | abrotman, "Found in version xkeyboard-config/0.9-4" |
| 02:21.39 | enouf | H2S04: me too - and i can't shake these cobwebs atm - i know if something comes to me, it'll be in about 30min - 1 hour .. or more - it'll just pop into my head, and i'll literally go Ah!! |
| 02:21.47 | torr | and I have xkb-data version 0.9-4 |
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| 02:21.51 | abrotman | torr: and there's a patch in the bug |
| 02:22.27 | enouf | dalias: when you install a new kernel, the initrd is generated then - so stop goofing off ;-) |
| 02:23.01 | enouf | dalias: also, comment out /etc/modules any modules specific to old mobo - (though this is after the init stage) |
| 02:23.12 | dalias | yeah |
| 02:23.17 | torr | abrotman, ok, i'll try |
| 02:23.36 | dalias | i doubt there are any hardware specific modules there anyway, probably just snd_oss or something |
| 02:25.02 | H2S04 | smacks enough |
| 02:25.17 | H2S04 | stop that, our answers aren't good enough for him, he knows more about fixing it than we do. |
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| 02:26.30 | H2S04 | *enouf |
| 02:26.35 | dalias | except that google is not being helpful for finding which cd image to boot from (can i use the installer cd? or is its initrd setup too different to boot a live system?), and that i don't know the right boot command line |
| 02:26.45 | dalias | i'm really not trying to be difficult |
| 02:27.03 | enouf | dammit |
| 02:27.10 | enouf | now i'm getting annoyed |
| 02:27.11 | H2S04 | The install disks work on all my boxes. |
| 02:27.12 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:27.20 | H2S04 | you just need to _TRY_ it. |
| 02:27.24 | dalias | but it's really difficult to help someone remotely who's not an expert with command line tools |
| 02:27.27 | dalias | that's the thing |
| 02:27.31 | H2S04 | I have about 5 - 6 livecd's just laying around. |
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| 02:27.41 | dalias | i'm 400 km away from the box |
| 02:27.49 | dalias | so 'try it' is not as easy as it sounds |
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| 02:28.14 | H2S04 | dalias, well I for one am not willing to walk you through what you need to do for a netboot. |
| 02:28.18 | H2S04 | if that is what you need to do now. |
| 02:28.26 | dalias | *sigh* it's not |
| 02:28.33 | enouf | i already told you - in full detail a pretty simple way .. twice - /me throws in the towel on this one |
| 02:28.55 | H2S04 | enouf, you did and he argued with you each time :P |
| 02:29.10 | dalias | all i want is the equivalent of what i did in the old days, before initrds and stuff, with lilo -- typing "linux root=/dev/hda1" at the boot prompt |
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| 02:30.13 | H2S04 | dalias, you can do that now... |
| 02:30.24 | H2S04 | face palms, walks away |
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| 02:30.36 | dalias | well not exactly |
| 02:30.52 | dalias | what is the command line syntax for the debian install cd to do that? |
| 02:30.56 | dalias | that's ALL i've been asking |
| 02:30.59 | leo1870 | I've just connected a Creative usb web cam, but when I try to run xawtv I get /dev/video0 no such file or dir? |
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| 02:31.28 | bbto | abrotman: looks like it stall. maybe the ctrl C? |
| 02:31.31 | leo1870 | I checked the /dev there isn't /dev/video0 |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | bbto: i wouldn't do that if it's installing packages |
| 02:32.14 | enouf | leo1870: try running /sbin/MAKEDEV - but check dmesg | tail |
| 02:32.24 | leo1870 | ok |
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| 02:32.33 | enouf | leo1870: is the module for the webcam loaded? |
| 02:32.35 | jetscreamer | it's 'probably' under some /dev/somesubdir/video0 |
| 02:32.47 | enouf | leo1870: that's what'll trigger udev to create the /dev/name |
| 02:32.54 | bbto | abrotman: is there a way to know if its doing something? |
| 02:32.59 | enouf | also look for other /dev/names as mentioned |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | bbto: HDD light flashing ? |
| 02:33.47 | bbto | abrotman: No ,maybe changing console |
| 02:34.37 | bbto | abrotman: console 2 # |
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| 02:36.31 | bbto | abrotman: console 4: Des:43 http://....../main openoffice.org-help ...... [12,0MB] |
| 02:36.37 | enouf | now, do you want to know what'll really piss you off? i just went to throw on one of my better pairs of pants; and the zipper is busted - offtrack - so now i have to go out with my ____ flailing about :-/ ... fix that! ;-) |
| 02:36.37 | leo1870 | I loaded the modprobe bttv |
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| 02:36.55 | abrotman | bbto: i'd just start over with the netinst |
| 02:37.51 | bbto | abrotman: yes...again |
| 02:38.00 | enouf | leo1870: also - #v4l (i think that's the correct channel for video4linux) might have some help - is your user in the " ... video audio plugdev ..." groups? (amongst others) |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | bbto: but don't choose anything but standard .. |
| 02:38.12 | bbto | ok |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | bbto: and then ask someone here how to install some basic X stuff .. like icewm or something like that |
| 02:38.20 | enouf | leo1870: though you can test as root to see if it's a group issue or not |
| 02:38.31 | abrotman | bbto: lke .. aptitude install xfce4 xorg xdm |
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| 02:38.41 | abrotman | bbto: then add other applications as you want later |
| 02:38.49 | bbto | abrotman: ok thank U |
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| 02:38.56 | H2S04 | enouf, I go out like that with my pants that aren't broken and claim that they are. |
| 02:39.01 | leo1870 | should Ok I'll try #v4l |
| 02:39.11 | leo1870 | thanks |
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| 02:39.26 | enouf | H2S04: heh .. well .. no comment :-P |
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| 02:39.39 | H2S04 | enouf, the breeze is good for you! |
| 02:39.56 | H2S04 | enouf, it's 20:40 here, I'm not wearing pants. |
| 02:40.13 | enouf | me neither atm |
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| 02:46.39 | Asymmetry | So, go figure, of all the OSes I try, I finally get everything working on Debian. Should have known. |
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| 02:47.04 | jetscreamer | talk about ot, enouf... :) |
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| 03:16.39 | dudeman | jetscreamer, hi |
| 03:16.57 | dudeman | eh |
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| 03:17.02 | dudeman | !seen jelly-home |
| 03:17.02 | dpkg | jelly-home is currently on #debian (4h 22m 11s), last said: 'touch*'. |
| 03:17.03 | dudeman | oops |
| 03:17.07 | dudeman | !seen jetscreamer |
| 03:17.07 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 30m 3s ago, saying: 'talk about ot, enouf... :)'. |
| 03:17.51 | Gm4n | !seen dpkg |
| 03:17.51 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', Gm4n |
| 03:17.59 | Gm4n | ah, darn :) |
| 03:18.37 | Asymmetry | !seen Asymmetry |
| 03:18.37 | dpkg | asymmetry is currently on #debian (2h 30m). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Asymmetry'. |
| 03:18.42 | Asymmetry | lol |
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| 03:21.20 | dudeman | http://dudeman.gotdns.org/index2.php |
| 03:21.24 | dudeman | doh |
| 03:21.36 | dudeman | this isn't #html :( |
| 03:22.32 | cafuego | No, it's #botabuse |
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| 03:24.36 | karsten | ponders !msg the bots .... |
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| 03:28.46 | Gm4n | anyone know why maildrop might be saying "Unable to create a dot-lock" on a directory that exists and it has write permissions to? |
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| 03:30.23 | simonrvn | user it's running as doesn't |
| 03:31.04 | Gm4n | the user has to have permissions, I'm running a script I made, that basically creates the dir, and then uses fetchmail (which calls maildrop) |
| 03:31.13 | Gm4n | so I'm positive the user has permissions and the directory exists |
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| 03:34.35 | simonrvn | where's it trying to get the lock? |
| 03:37.47 | PeterFA | Hey, the Debian installer didn't autodetect my Intel 82801 RAID controller. |
| 03:38.31 | sCOTTo | hmm |
| 03:39.28 | sCOTTo | talk-a-tive lot huh... |
| 03:40.53 | enouf | PeterFA: you mean old onboard intel raid crap? |
| 03:41.03 | enouf | PeterFA: you need dmraid for that shit :-P |
| 03:41.05 | Gm4n | simonrvn: I'd tell you, but I cleared my terminal and retried, and it hasn't errored yet |
| 03:41.25 | dudeman | hey |
| 03:41.41 | PeterFA | enouf, this is a new computer. |
| 03:41.42 | Gm4n | it's something like /home/user/Maildir/.sub\ folder/mail.longstring |
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| 03:41.53 | enouf | PeterFA: good, use mdadm for raid |
| 03:42.02 | dudeman | I put vbordrv in /etc/modules and even after reboot, it says it isn't loaded, and I have to manually modprobe it |
| 03:42.08 | dudeman | whats going on with it? |
| 03:42.14 | dudeman | 'vboxdrv' |
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| 03:42.33 | dudeman | why isn't it automatically loading on boot? |
| 03:42.40 | enouf | dudeman: roll it into your initrd? |
| 03:42.53 | dudeman | grr. |
| 03:42.56 | dudeman | more work for me |
| 03:43.00 | enouf | is there an init script that handles modprobing it? |
| 03:43.01 | dudeman | you know i hate you right? |
| 03:43.07 | enouf | yep |
| 03:43.08 | dudeman | enouf, no clue |
| 03:43.15 | enouf | rtfm :-P |
| 03:43.20 | dudeman | make me! |
| 03:43.31 | enouf | isn;t there some -ose- shit? |
| 03:43.41 | enouf | !vbox |
| 03:43.41 | dpkg | somebody said virtualbox was a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:43.45 | Sling | t-dose? |
| 03:43.47 | Sling | oh |
| 03:43.48 | dudeman | virtualbox-ose-modules something |
| 03:43.49 | dudeman | I have it |
| 03:43.58 | dudeman | and that is the package that provides 'vboxdrv' module |
| 03:44.17 | dudeman | problem is that it is inside /etc/modules but won't take effect for some reason |
| 03:45.36 | Gm4n | simonrvn: the error is "Unable to create a dot-lock at /home/<user>/Maildir/.Mentor\ Program/18383.0.mail." |
| 03:45.55 | Gm4n | and every single mail fails in the Mentor Program folder |
| 03:46.02 | enouf | dudeman: /etc/modules occurs after system init starts - maybe it's needed prior, it is a VM ffs |
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| 03:47.06 | simonrvn | so check there |
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| 03:48.24 | Gm4n | nothing wrong with directory permissons, and I can touch <stuff>.mail and create it |
| 03:48.28 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:48.29 | dudeman | thanks |
| 03:48.43 | enouf | dudeman: place it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs -u (or similar - maybe -u -k version) , and even d-r l-i-version for good measure -- BTW - are you sure it's not blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
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| 03:48.52 | dudeman | I changed 'vbocdrv' to 'vboxdrv' in /etc/modules and it works now |
| 03:48.55 | dudeman | enouf, thanks. |
| 03:49.02 | simonrvn | you'll need to enable debug on it |
| 03:49.02 | enouf | fucker |
| 03:49.03 | JeffH_ | Is the current stable version Etch or Sarge? |
| 03:49.05 | dudeman | sits in the corner |
| 03:49.09 | enouf | all that for a typo! |
| 03:49.09 | dudeman | sowwie :( |
| 03:49.18 | enouf | ok |
| 03:49.20 | simonrvn | sounds like curier stuff, so check their site on how to do that |
| 03:49.21 | dudeman | my bad |
| 03:49.30 | simonrvn | courier* |
| 03:49.41 | dudeman | enouf, thanks you very much for your help I really appreciate it |
| 03:49.44 | enouf | i was actually originally going to ask that too ;-) |
| 03:49.45 | dudeman | enouf, I didn't realize the typo |
| 03:49.51 | enouf | i know better ;-) |
| 03:49.55 | dudeman | enouf, you should have! |
| 03:50.20 | Gm4n | simonrvn: I don't use courier... I use dovecot (and this is fetchmail -> maildrop, no MTA/mail server involved) |
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| 03:50.55 | simonrvn | nonetheless |
| 03:51.26 | Gm4n | so I should ask courier about it? I don't understand how that could be a courier thing |
| 03:52.16 | simonrvn | no, not them, maildrop and dovecot. silly, hehe |
| 03:52.34 | Gm4n | hmm, this could be dovecot even though it's fetchmail->maildrop? |
| 03:52.58 | JeffH_ | I'm following the info at www.debian.org/NdisWrapper to get my wireless card setup. It says use iwconfig to configure the card. I don't have that program.. what package do I need to install? |
| 03:53.08 | simonrvn | doesn't sound like it's fetchmail. but check that anyway |
| 03:54.56 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: wireless-tools |
| 03:55.06 | JeffH_ | Rusty1: thanks. |
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| 03:55.45 | PeterFA | I need to ssh into a machine without Linux at all and install Debian on it. How do I do this? |
| 03:56.02 | JeffH_ | when I do 'ndiswrapper -i <path>' does ndiswrapper slurp in the needed files to some other place? or do I need to leave those files there? |
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| 03:58.07 | xbj9000 | what's a good way to check a drive for duplicate copies of the same media files? |
| 03:58.30 | enouf | xbj9000: checkdups? or something |
| 03:58.39 | xbj9000 | oh hi enouf |
| 03:58.56 | enouf | there;s a chkdupexe for executables or something |
| 03:59.36 | enouf | maybe md5sums - or if the same name , use Find and sort or something |
| 04:00.57 | xbj9000 | fdupes maybe, looks like |
| 04:01.02 | enouf | ahh yep |
| 04:01.09 | enouf | !fdupes |
| 04:01.15 | xbj9000 | also I fixed my kernel panics the other day |
| 04:01.19 | enouf | oh well |
| 04:01.28 | xbj9000 | had to blacklist the module for the onboard video |
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| 04:02.07 | JeffH_ | fuck. I've folowed this howto and my wireless card isn't found by iwconfig |
| 04:02.08 | PeterFA | Can I SSH into the environment from the net install CD? |
| 04:02.44 | xbj9000 | what card JeffH_? |
| 04:03.03 | JeffH_ | Linksys WMP110 |
| 04:03.37 | xbj9000 | did you bring it up with ifconfig first? may be as simple as that |
| 04:04.56 | JeffH_ | ifconfig wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found. |
| 04:05.01 | enouf | xbj9000: blacklist what module? i forget your specifics |
| 04:05.22 | enouf | JeffH_: ls /sys/class/net |
| 04:05.38 | xbj9000 | well I had a conflict between the onboard video and the add-on pci card apparently, enouf |
| 04:05.47 | JeffH_ | eth0, eth1, lo sit0 |
| 04:05.55 | xbj9000 | I forgot the name of the module though already lol |
| 04:06.11 | xbj9000 | and now that box is at a friend's house |
| 04:06.34 | JeffH_ | I try to do 'iwconfig sit0' and get 'no wireless extensions' |
| 04:06.37 | enouf | xbj9000: but you wanted to use both! i thought |
| 04:06.41 | xbj9000 | intel_agpgart or something |
| 04:06.41 | enouf | nm |
| 04:07.07 | xbj9000 | no I just wanted to use the pci but when I set the bios for it it wouldn't boot |
| 04:07.16 | enouf | you have a riser addon PCI card that you added a video card into |
| 04:07.24 | simonrvn | intel_agp, agpgart |
| 04:07.29 | xbj9000 | yes |
| 04:07.53 | xbj9000 | and yes |
| 04:08.43 | xbj9000 | I don't think the riser was the problem, just blacklisting those two modules fixed it |
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| 04:10.30 | JeffH_ | what's the difference between wlan0 and sit0? |
| 04:10.47 | enouf | well, $ lspci -k | grep agp |
| 04:10.48 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.44 | karsten | JeffH_: wlan is wireless lan (I think it's from the old wavelan driver). Not sure what sit is. Different wifi drivers generate different device names. See kernel docs for specifics. |
| 04:12.10 | JeffH_ | karsten: do you know how to configure a sit0 device? |
| 04:12.38 | karsten | JeffH_: I'm just guessing, but ifconfig and/or iwconfig |
| 04:12.51 | karsten | JeffH_: As I suggested: the kernel / driver docs should help you here. |
| 04:13.05 | enouf | wonderful |
| 04:13.19 | JeffH_ | I should have realized this wouldn't be easy in Linux. |
| 04:13.19 | enouf | i deleted all my kernel modules it seems |
| 04:13.29 | enouf | ~$ modprobe -l | less shows one module, haha |
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| 04:14.02 | xbj9000 | JeffH_ just plain ifconfig doesn't seem to list the wireless card? |
| 04:14.20 | JeffH_ | xbj9000: ifconfig -a does. |
| 04:14.31 | xbj9000 | sometimes it's called weird things, like ra0 |
| 04:14.38 | karsten | JeffH_: Yeah, ifconfig doesn't list unconfigured devices, '-a' lists all devices. |
| 04:14.47 | xbj9000 | ah I see |
| 04:14.52 | karsten | JeffH_: What kind of card BTW? |
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| 04:15.06 | JeffH_ | karsten: Linksys WMP110 |
| 04:15.36 | karsten | OK. |
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| 04:19.07 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel$ ls -l | wc -l |
| 04:19.08 | enouf | 1 |
| 04:19.14 | dudeman | 2 |
| 04:19.15 | enouf | :-O |
| 04:19.30 | enouf | the kernel allowed me to rm modules that are in use? wtf? |
| 04:20.02 | simonrvn | um, they're in memory... it won't care until it tries to read it. |
| 04:20.21 | enouf | right - or you try to unload them |
| 04:20.31 | enouf | great |
| 04:20.42 | simonrvn | not sure, but that won't matter either. |
| 04:20.51 | enouf | so, if i reinstall while it's running, go boom? |
| 04:20.59 | enouf | yes it does |
| 04:21.23 | simonrvn | modprobe -r AFAICT would only remove those constructs in the kernel that module sets up |
| 04:21.26 | enouf | you try modprobe -r mousedev |
| 04:21.38 | simonrvn | mine's in-kernel |
| 04:21.40 | karsten | JeffH_: I think sit0 == serial interface, though I may be talking smack. |
| 04:22.00 | karsten | JeffH_: ... tunnel. Yeah. 'ip tunnel show' |
| 04:22.03 | enouf | root@sarge:~# modprobe -r mousedev |
| 04:22.03 | enouf | FATAL: Module mousedev not found. |
| 04:22.07 | karsten | JeffH_: http://www.deepspace6.net/docs/iproute2tunnel-en.html |
| 04:22.09 | enouf | haha |
| 04:22.23 | karsten | enouf: Well, that makes removal easier. |
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| 04:22.37 | simonrvn | ah ok, so it does reference it |
| 04:22.50 | simonrvn | probably so it knows what to access |
| 04:22.56 | enouf | karsten: haha |
| 04:22.57 | enouf | # lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 04:22.58 | enouf | psmouse 32336 0 |
| 04:23.08 | enouf | # modprobe -r psmouse |
| 04:23.08 | enouf | FATAL: Module psmouse not found. |
| 04:23.34 | enouf | turns out mousedev isn't loaded with this kernel - so bad example |
| 04:23.45 | simonrvn | still |
| 04:23.59 | enouf | still what? |
| 04:24.07 | JeffH_ | I"m confused as fuck.. what does a tunnel have to do with a wireless network card? |
| 04:24.10 | simonrvn | sit is 6-in-4 tunnel |
| 04:24.11 | enouf | so, if i reinstall while it's running, go boom? |
| 04:24.32 | enouf | ipv6 |
| 04:24.38 | enouf | ipv4 |
| 04:24.38 | simonrvn | if the same stuff, no; though i don't guarantee it ;). |
| 04:24.40 | enouf | sit0 |
| 04:24.42 | karsten | JeffH_: FIIK. Though tunneling and virtual bridges and a whole bunch of other things are getting popular. |
| 04:24.55 | JeffH_ | shit. |
| 04:25.02 | karsten | JeffH_: I fyou tihink Linux doesn't make sense, try ifconfig on a mcosx box some time. |
| 04:25.29 | simonrvn | esembles bsd a bit, but messier |
| 04:25.32 | simonrvn | res* |
| 04:25.48 | dalias | h2s04 & enouf, i finally just copied good vmlinuz and initrd to make my own isolinux boot disc, problem solved. |
| 04:25.59 | JeffH_ | karsten: I've owned my Mac for well over a year and haven't once had a need to use ifconfig.. that's the beauty of a mac. Linux could learn a lot. |
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| 04:26.36 | enouf | dalias: curious - where did you get this "good" vmlinuz and initrd from? |
| 04:26.45 | H2S04 | JeffH_, Windows isn't even that easy always. Simplicity of an interface doesn't make it superior. |
| 04:26.47 | jester54 | JeffH_, diffrent oses diffrent ways to go about it |
| 04:26.55 | dalias | enouf, from my own (up-to-date) debian system |
| 04:27.12 | enouf | dalias: kernel version? |
| 04:27.12 | H2S04 | JeffH_, It just makes it easier for the uninitiated, which is good for diminishing a learning curve, but not good for empowering users. |
| 04:27.20 | simonrvn | abstracting things don't make them better. depends on your perspective. |
| 04:27.26 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 04:27.28 | enouf | dalias: uptodate could mean 2.6.18-6 |
| 04:27.31 | dalias | 2.6.26-1 |
| 04:27.50 | dalias | lookes like it was compiled in august |
| 04:27.54 | H2S04 | JeffH_, and complaining about linux in a linux channel isn't going to win you any friends :P |
| 04:28.12 | karsten | JeffH_: What I'm saying is: run it some time. Thee's a whole mess of networking going on. Off topic for here though. |
| 04:28.14 | H2S04 | that's like going to a #catholicism channel and complaining about religion. :P |
| 04:28.15 | simonrvn | he's not new here ;) |
| 04:28.35 | JeffH_ | good thing I don't come on IRC to win friends. I have plenty IRL |
| 04:28.42 | JeffH_ | hey simonrvn |
| 04:28.47 | H2S04 | "IRL" whatever that's supposed to mean. :P |
| 04:28.49 | simonrvn | hey dude |
| 04:28.57 | H2S04 | as if just because you're in front of your computer it's not real. |
| 04:29.05 | enouf | yeah, this one is too fake for me |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | !offence |
| 04:29.22 | simonrvn | *touches himself* i sure am real |
| 04:29.22 | dpkg | hmm... offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | !offense |
| 04:29.22 | dpkg | methinks offense is don't take offense at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen, or we're all volunteers here, we don't owe you anything. If you don't like something here, tough luck. |
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| 04:29.26 | karsten | H2S04: Internet Relay Love, I think. |
| 04:29.29 | Sling | what the heck is this: |
| 04:29.30 | Sling | su nobody -s /bin/sh -c /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race \( -fstype NFS -o -fstype |
| 04:29.30 | Sling | nfs -o -fstype nfs4 -o -fstype afs -o -fstype binfmt_misc -o -fstype proc -o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o -fstype c |
| 04:29.31 | Sling | oda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o -fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs -o -fstype shfs -o -fstype sysfs -o -fstype cifs -o -fstype lustre_lite -o -fstype tmp |
| 04:29.31 | Sling | fs -o -fstype usbfs -o -fstype udf -o -type d -regex '\(^/tmp$\)\|\(^/usr/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/tmp$\)\|\(^/afs$\)\|\(^/amd$\)\|\(^/alex$\)\|\(^/var/spool$\)\ |
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| 04:29.34 | Guerin | oh, dpkg weighs in |
| 04:29.38 | Sling | |\(^/sfs$\)\|\(^/media$\)' \) -prune -o -print0 |
| 04:29.39 | Sling | whoops, sorry |
| 04:29.43 | karsten | !tell Sling about paste |
| 04:29.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 04:29.45 | Sling | that should've been 1 line |
| 04:29.47 | Sling | yea yea |
| 04:29.49 | karsten | !tell Sling aboute paster |
| 04:30.06 | simonrvn | it's called a cron job |
| 04:30.15 | karsten | Supaplex: Looks like updatedb is running. |
| 04:30.39 | Sling | well it sure makes a lot of HD noise :) |
| 04:31.10 | karsten | Supaplex: cronjob, run by root, finding all files on your system, not searching any remote filesystems (smbfs, nfs) or automounts, or CDS. Not sure what ncpfs is. Coda's another remote FS. |
| 04:31.24 | Sling | im guessing Supaplex is my new nickname? |
| 04:31.28 | karsten | Sling: The 'locate' command uses the generated databases. |
| 04:32.00 | karsten | Sling: Yeah, suppmissfire. |
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| 04:32.20 | karsten | erm, supaplex missfire. Tab-completing here. |
| 04:33.17 | enouf | swaps thumbs with karsten |
| 04:33.52 | simonrvn | ncpfs is some novell/netware thing |
| 04:35.29 | Sling | well yea i can see what it does, i wonder what started it and why |
| 04:35.31 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: You now can grow plants in the worse conditions! |
| 04:35.46 | enouf | oh well - missed this opportunity to find out if BOOM or no BOOM |
| 04:35.49 | enouf | ~# apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 04:35.55 | enouf | just upgrades the kernel :-P |
| 04:36.23 | JeffH_ | Is madwifi not an Etch package? |
| 04:36.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i have an urge to swimg from trees |
| 04:36.32 | enouf | swing even |
| 04:37.07 | simonrvn | Sling: cron, from cron.daily or weekly |
| 04:37.08 | PeterFA | enouf, if I install Linux on a hd which is a part of a raid1, but not set up, if I do set up the raid, will it automagically copy the hds? |
| 04:37.08 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Swimming works when the jungle is flooded |
| 04:37.26 | xbj9000 | JeffH_ I wonder if wicd would be of any help |
| 04:37.43 | karsten | enouf: binary trees? |
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| 04:38.06 | enouf | PeterFA: well .. using mdadm? no, but you can tell it to - see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the man pages |
| 04:38.08 | Sling | hmm updatedb it is |
| 04:38.42 | enouf | PeterFA: don't forget about /etc/default/mdadm |
| 04:39.02 | enouf | Sling: ofcourse - install htop ;-) |
| 04:39.08 | enouf | see F5 :-) |
| 04:39.12 | Sling | i have that :) |
| 04:39.17 | PeterFA | enouf, so wait, I install Linux on one partition, then I set up the raid, and then I tell mdadm to fix it to where it really is a RAID1? |
| 04:39.20 | PeterFA | enouf, and I'm golden. |
| 04:39.22 | PeterFA | ? |
| 04:39.26 | Sling | ah, pstree inside htop |
| 04:39.45 | enouf | PeterFA: you say "raid" but you don't specify which |
| 04:39.52 | enouf | fake/hard/soft |
| 04:39.53 | PeterFA | enouf, raid1. |
| 04:39.56 | enouf | no |
| 04:39.57 | enouf | fake/hard/soft |
| 04:40.08 | PeterFA | enouf, hard. |
| 04:40.12 | Sling | anyway, im not being hacked by an evil user doing 'find' on my system, it seemd |
| 04:40.21 | enouf | i bet you don't have hardware raid |
| 04:40.29 | enouf | i bet 50 Grand you don't have hardware raid |
| 04:40.34 | PeterFA | enouf, it's an Intel 82801 rev. 2. |
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| 04:40.41 | enouf | fake! |
| 04:40.44 | PeterFA | enouf, fudge! |
| 04:40.50 | Sling | most consumer boards have hardware raid these days |
| 04:40.56 | PeterFA | swears. |
| 04:40.59 | enouf | PeterFA: see linux-ata.org find dmraid |
| 04:41.01 | Sling | well, mid/highend |
| 04:41.11 | enouf | Sling: no, it's fake |
| 04:41.26 | Sling | you mean its not a seperate raid chipset? |
| 04:41.34 | PeterFA | enouf, but in this situation, can I still commit the raid? |
| 04:42.28 | enouf | it means there's not a separate CPU and BIOS for it .. i guess you could define it as .. not to mention a separate card as a controller - though there are mobo implementations |
| 04:42.53 | enouf | PeterFA: commit it? to Bellevue? sure ;-) |
| 04:43.22 | PeterFA | enouf, it's a mobo one. |
| 04:43.27 | enouf | i know |
| 04:43.31 | enouf | fake! |
| 04:43.44 | PeterFA | enouf, I meant as in, install Linux, and then fix it later to where it really is a raid1. |
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| 04:43.54 | PeterFA | enouf, what about Bellevue? |
| 04:44.22 | enouf | PeterFA: yes, you can with mdadm creeate a raid1 mirror once you have an install - but there are caveats - see the docs! |
| 04:44.45 | PeterFA | enouf, thanks. |
| 04:44.46 | enouf | PeterFA: it's where the whitejackets are ;-) |
| 04:45.02 | PeterFA | enouf, that's the one detail I needed, and I needed it in a hurry. |
| 04:45.09 | PeterFA | enouf, in Washington State? |
| 04:45.33 | enouf | PeterFA: be very careful if you think you're going to Dual Boot a Windows Onboard fakeraid setup and a Linux dmraid/mdadm system |
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| 04:45.49 | PeterFA | enouf, no, Linux only. |
| 04:45.57 | PeterFA | enouf, I hate Windows. |
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| 04:46.21 | enouf | if so - best to go with dmraid - oh .. ok then, mdadm it is - just setup RAID1 during hte installation! |
| 04:46.39 | GhostlyDeath | PeterFA: I though you liked Windows |
| 04:46.49 | PeterFA | GhostlyDeath, troll! |
| 04:46.55 | GhostlyDeath | PeterFA: No |
| 04:47.00 | GhostlyDeath | PeterFA: I'm 1 level away from Troll |
| 04:47.05 | enouf | PeterFA: you better not be doing a raid 1 on 1 HDD .. omg |
| 04:47.22 | PeterFA | enouf, I am not sure how to do this then. |
| 04:47.31 | enouf | ... |
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| 04:47.33 | PeterFA | enouf, Debian installer detects both harddrives. |
| 04:47.34 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Did I ever give you anything before? |
| 04:47.40 | PeterFA | enouf, you keep going back and forth. |
| 04:47.50 | enouf | have 2 HDDs, setup raid1 during installation using BOTH DISKS! |
| 04:47.56 | enouf | me? |
| 04:47.58 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 04:47.59 | PeterFA | enouf, oh. |
| 04:48.00 | enouf | are you fucken nuts? |
| 04:48.02 | PeterFA | enouf, I get it now. |
| 04:48.03 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:48.18 | GhostlyDeath | Windows 98! |
| 04:48.22 | GhostlyDeath | I still use it |
| 04:48.24 | enouf | ... |
| 04:48.35 | enouf | Acrobat Reader 4.0 ftw! |
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| 04:49.45 | enouf | PeterFA: review the installation guide and use 'expert{gui}' for more fine control |
| 04:49.55 | PeterFA | enouf, oh. |
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| 04:49.58 | PeterFA | enouf, thanks. |
| 04:50.17 | enouf | even the F1-F10 keys would tell you that .. sheesh |
| 04:50.23 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 04:50.31 | GhostlyDeath | also it asks you what to do before every step |
| 04:50.46 | GhostlyDeath | So if you screw up, you can easily go back and fix your mistake |
| 04:50.49 | enouf | sorry |
| 04:51.27 | PeterFA | enouf, I can't do the installation myself. |
| 04:51.34 | PeterFA | My joe somewhere else is doing it. |
| 04:51.38 | PeterFA | He's at the computer. |
| 04:51.41 | enouf | simonrvn: much better now ;-) |
| 04:51.44 | PeterFA | Otherwise I'd not be talking. |
| 04:51.45 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel$ ls -lR | wc -l |
| 04:51.45 | enouf | 3717 |
| 04:52.15 | enouf | PeterFA: hire me as Admin ;-) |
| 04:52.18 | GhostlyDeath | PeterFA: what about the root password? |
| 04:52.26 | PeterFA | GhostlyDeath, what about it? |
| 04:52.58 | GhostlyDeath | PeterFA: I'm asking you |
| 04:53.05 | GhostlyDeath | It's supposed to be super secret |
| 04:53.11 | GhostlyDeath | 30+ characters |
| 04:53.14 | PeterFA | There's none, it's not installed. |
| 04:53.16 | GhostlyDeath | all over the ASCII range |
| 04:53.28 | PeterFA | GhostlyDeath, shouldn't I just ignore you? |
| 04:53.38 | GhostlyDeath | Not always |
| 04:53.39 | enouf | Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel Kernel modules: intel-agp |
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| 04:54.07 | GhostlyDeath | You said someone else is installing debian (for you I assumed) |
| 04:54.28 | GhostlyDeath | and when I assume, I make an ass out of both of us |
| 04:54.58 | cockroach | hrm. on one of my boxes, all files from my home dir suddenly disappeared (directories are still there). (how) can this happen, unless the box was rooted? it only seems to affect one file-system (/home)... |
| 04:55.37 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: not mounted |
| 04:55.50 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: If your home is in a separate partition |
| 04:55.56 | cockroach | yes, mounted. and un-/remounted, just to make sure |
| 04:55.57 | GhostlyDeath | which is not mounted |
| 04:56.07 | GhostlyDeath | it will just be an empty directory in root |
| 04:56.08 | cockroach | then the directories wouldn't be there either |
| 04:56.16 | GhostlyDeath | the directories are always there |
| 04:56.21 | cockroach | eg. i have ~/foo but not ~/foo/bar.txt |
| 04:56.36 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 04:56.40 | GhostlyDeath | anything happen to the system? |
| 04:56.49 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: what are the permissions of the directory? |
| 04:56.56 | GhostlyDeath | you allowed to read them? |
| 04:57.00 | cockroach | no, nothing i am aware of happened. |
| 04:57.55 | cockroach | i checked as root so i guess yes, i am... |
| 04:58.07 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: and this is for all of your files? |
| 04:58.43 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: if possible, remember the name of some of the files and do a system wide search |
| 04:58.44 | cockroach | wait a second, it looks even weirder. in some other user's home only files in his webroot vanished. |
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| 04:59.16 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: does everyone have access to everyone's home? |
| 04:59.44 | GhostlyDeath | usually for my PC I make it so no others can look inside at all |
| 04:59.55 | cockroach | no, access rights are pretty strict. eg. php scripts are not even allowed to *read* from somebody else's home |
| 05:00.05 | GhostlyDeath | shared system? |
| 05:00.09 | cockroach | and virtually nobody is allowed to SSH in |
| 05:00.10 | cockroach | yes |
| 05:00.13 | enouf | dammit, i still can't figure out how i rm'd all my kernel modules - i reviewed all my recent rm commands and none were even symlinks .. or had symlinks within the dirs i rm -rd |
| 05:00.47 | cockroach | this is pretty bad. it's a production system. luckily i have backups, but still. not pleased :) |
| 05:01.00 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: did you try a restart maybe if possible? |
| 05:01.30 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: or ls for everything |
| 05:01.34 | GhostlyDeath | including hidden files? |
| 05:01.44 | cockroach | no, didn't try but i figured remounting the fs should do the trick if rebooting does. since other file systems don't seem to be affected (afaik) it shouldn't be a kernel issue. |
| 05:02.19 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: unless some software ran which deleted your files |
| 05:02.22 | JeffH_ | hm.. it seems like I've read that madwifi is what I should be using.. though when I install the module I don't see a ath0 device |
| 05:02.27 | cockroach | GhostlyDeath: if i 'ls' for a file which i *know* used to exist a get a plain 'No such file or directory' |
| 05:02.47 | cockroach | GhostlyDeath: that would be quite an annoying piece of software :) |
| 05:03.00 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: check top |
| 05:03.05 | GhostlyDeath | might be running still! |
| 05:03.41 | cockroach | no, nothing there that looks suspicious |
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| 05:04.04 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: or if you suspect an attack of some kind, place bait and figure how to show what's accessing the file like a constant lsof |
| 05:04.15 | cockroach | i first noticed it while i was copying 'large' amounts of data from one file system to another one, btw |
| 05:04.25 | cockroach | might be a coincidence, though |
| 05:05.04 | GhostlyDeath | were they shutdown or unmounted? |
| 05:05.12 | cockroach | they who? |
| 05:05.16 | GhostlyDeath | i've lost data because of it not bein written fully |
| 05:05.25 | GhostlyDeath | the servers/disks |
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| 05:05.58 | cockroach | ah, no. i was just copying an old user's files from /home to some other fs, all local |
| 05:06.09 | cockroach | also, this should no affect me or other users, afaict |
| 05:06.43 | cockroach | i'm pretty sure other people have copied 1gb between ext3fs' before me, that should be a rather safe operation :) |
| 05:07.12 | GhostlyDeath | I use sync nowadays |
| 05:07.48 | cockroach | argh. people won't be pleased, the backups are about 1 day old... |
| 05:07.57 | xbj9000 | I copied 140GB earlier from ext3 to ext 3, from seperate HDDs and then again to a whole seperate computer via SSH, if an example is desired |
| 05:08.19 | cockroach | xbj9000: you wouldn't happen to have my home directories anywhere in there? :) |
| 05:08.31 | xbj9000 | haha |
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| 05:11.26 | cockroach | okay, it looks less bad than i thought, most homes are untouched. trying to find a common thing about the ones which lost data... |
| 05:12.08 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: I wish you luck |
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| 05:13.08 | cockroach | GhostlyDeath: thanks. i just hope no paying customer lost any e-mail. and just to make sure, i'll turn off my phone :) (also, this would be way less annoying if it weren't 7am here. bedtime, grr.) |
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| 05:13.49 | GhostlyDeath | cockroach: you could always blame a clock skew |
| 05:13.55 | infinity1 | how do i reinstall over the top of an exisiting package that is already installed |
| 05:14.03 | cockroach | GhostlyDeath: :) |
| 05:14.04 | GhostlyDeath | infinity1: reinstall |
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| 05:14.17 | GhostlyDeath | upgrade or replace |
| 05:14.26 | GhostlyDeath | infinity1: it usually will tell you that is already is installed |
| 05:14.35 | GhostlyDeath | but with the powers of the command line you can force it! |
| 05:14.53 | infinity1 | hmmm. |
| 05:15.07 | infinity1 | i don't see the command option |
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| 05:15.18 | kaeles | ok, I'm really confused, I |
| 05:15.20 | kaeles | oop |
| 05:15.51 | Agiofws | i would like to connect to my DE via rdesktop do i have to run on the DE something like ... rdesktop server ? |
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| 05:17.00 | kaeles | I'm trying to install debian over the netboot image, but it crashes when it starts the kernel, this is on 3 different motherboards (2 of the same, and one different one) with 2 network cards (both 3c905c's), any clues? (it throws an EIP hex hex hex thing) |
| 05:17.26 | kaeles | I've tried doing acpi=off and noapic and nolapic and all that jazz as well. |
| 05:17.40 | smultron | when i SSH into my debian box from OS X, the delete key (above the pipeline key) deletes to the left as normal. but if i go into a program like vim or aptitude, it deletes to the right instead. how do i make it always delete to the left? |
| 05:18.01 | infinity1 | finally fixed. |
| 05:18.21 | infinity1 | i was trying to backport iptables to etch. not good :) |
| 05:18.43 | Agiofws | i would like to connect to my DE via rdesktop do i have to run on the DE something like ... rdesktop server ? |
| 05:19.19 | kaeles | I don't know if you can using the rdp, but vnc works with rdesktop as well |
| 05:20.08 | Agiofws | vnc server ? |
| 05:20.22 | Agiofws | vnc is much slower than rdesktop |
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| 05:20.35 | Agiofws | is slower than* |
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| 05:21.11 | kaeles | as I said, I don't know if you can use the RDP for it, I don't know if there IS an opensource RDP server |
| 05:21.20 | kaeles | you can always do ssh with X11 forwarding :P |
| 05:21.28 | cockroach | WTGDF, it just happened again!? |
| 05:22.29 | Agiofws | kaeles, ? can i get GUI through ssh ? |
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| 05:23.04 | kaeles | you can get single programs over ssh |
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| 05:23.30 | xbj9000 | you can do ssh -X user@ip.add.re.ss |
| 05:23.30 | kaeles | I dunno about a whole window system, but I think there is a way to do the whole window manager over ssh |
| 05:24.52 | DimmuR | kaeles: maybye it would be simplier for you to use vnc? |
| 05:24.58 | Agiofws | xbj9000, will that open up a window M |
| 05:25.13 | Agiofws | rdesktop is fast |
| 05:25.19 | Agiofws | vnc is so slow |
| 05:25.35 | Agiofws | i though there would be an rdesktop server for linux |
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| 05:26.28 | kaeles | RDP is what microsoft bought from citrix or some crap |
| 05:26.40 | xbj9000 | it should allow you to view and run a remote GUI app, or multiple apps with a screen-sesion |
| 05:26.44 | kaeles | so I dunno is there is an RDP server or not, you can google it though |
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| 05:27.49 | kaeles | http://www.linux.com/feature/54191 |
| 05:28.02 | DimmuR | Agiofws: i couldn't find rdesktop server for linux when i was searching some time ago so i use vnc ti works preety good for me |
| 05:28.23 | JeffH_ | what debian kernel do I need to install to get wireless extensions? |
| 05:28.28 | kaeles | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xrdp |
| 05:28.31 | kaeles | there you go |
| 05:28.48 | Agiofws | JeffH_, all you need is a vanilla kernel |
| 05:28.51 | Agiofws | :) |
| 05:28.58 | Agiofws | what ? |
| 05:29.17 | JeffH_ | hm.. that's interesting. cat /proc/net/wireless shows nothing but header information. |
| 05:29.20 | Agiofws | cool |
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| 05:29.35 | Agiofws | JeffH_, whats your goal ? |
| 05:29.43 | Agiofws | to get wifi up ? |
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| 05:30.16 | JeffH_ | Agiofws: trying to get madwifi to work with my card. I insert the module but don't see a ath0 or wifi0 device. |
| 05:30.16 | DimmuR | JeffH_: maybye you need install extra drivers (like madwifi etc) for your wifi card? |
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| 05:30.47 | JeffH_ | DimmuR: ath_pci is installed. |
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| 05:33.54 | JeffH_ | I wish #madwifi were active. |
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| 05:34.50 | craigevil | !madwifi-install |
| 05:34.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 05:35.15 | Agiofws | JeffH_, ... |
| 05:35.24 | xbj9000 | JeffH_ I believe live distros like DSL and Puppy and Knoppix have madwifi, maybe they could give you clues if they work for you |
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| 05:35.30 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.48 | Agiofws | when you load the the drivers what do you see in dmesg |
| 05:35.53 | Agiofws | that will tell you ... |
| 05:36.08 | Agiofws | second of all is your wifi atheros chipset ? |
| 05:36.20 | Agiofws | 3rd) does your wifi card work in linux ? |
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| 05:37.04 | JeffH_ | dmesg tells me some info. Nothing looks bad. Yes, it is an atheros chipset. Supposedly my wifi card works in Linux. |
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| 05:40.00 | karsten | JeffH_: Are you using madwifi? |
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| 05:40.15 | karsten | reads backscroll and answers his own question... |
| 05:40.21 | karsten | erm, scrollback. |
| 05:41.30 | xbj9000 | JeffH_ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/debian-linksys-wmp110-674232/ |
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| 05:43.48 | JeffH_ | xbj9000: I've followed that with no luck. |
| 05:43.53 | xbj9000 | JeffH_ looks like you may need to compile a more recent madwifi |
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| 05:44.33 | JeffH_ | xbj9000: is there a way to get newer source through apt-get? |
| 05:44.59 | xbj9000 | unsure |
| 05:46.24 | swa | JeffH_, at which point does madwifi install fail? |
| 05:47.00 | JeffH_ | swa: it doesn't appear to fail. It just doesn't provide an ath0 device. |
| 05:47.09 | xbj9000 | you can just get the source at madwifi.org |
| 05:47.55 | swa | you've run modprobe ath_pci JeffH_ ? |
| 05:48.05 | JeffH_ | swa: yes |
| 05:48.21 | xbj9000 | looks like the Atheros source code was just made open about 2 weeks ago |
| 05:48.49 | Agiofws | JeffH_, CHECK for sure that your chipset runs with madwifi ... |
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| 05:49.06 | Agiofws | i came a across an atheros chipset that would not produce an ath0 |
| 05:49.11 | JeffH_ | Agiofws: already did, it is. |
| 05:49.18 | Agiofws | ok |
| 05:49.43 | JeffH_ | is there a way to make a debian package out of source code downloaded from the net? |
| 05:49.46 | xbj9000 | have you tried the ndis-wrapper approach also? |
| 05:49.57 | JeffH_ | yes, no luck that way either. |
| 05:50.19 | xbj9000 | yes I think you make a .deb by doing checkinstall instead of makeinstall |
| 05:50.24 | xbj9000 | but you should check me on that one |
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| 05:50.28 | Agiofws | JeffH_, just download the soucre and compile |
| 05:50.39 | Agiofws | and uninstall any other instances of madwifi |
| 05:50.46 | xbj9000 | what he said |
| 05:50.51 | xbj9000 | hehe |
| 05:51.17 | JeffH_ | bummer. I'd prefer the debian package approach. |
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| 05:51.23 | xbj9000 | it's not hard |
| 05:51.32 | iateadonu1 | what is the best program to use to renumber my partitions? |
| 05:51.46 | iateadonu1 | (terminal based, i mean) |
| 05:51.48 | xbj9000 | and you can make a .deb I just don't remember exactly how |
| 05:51.48 | swa | the 2.6.27-rc5 kernel includes ath5k driver (newer branch of madwifi) JeffH_ |
| 05:52.46 | JeffH_ | swa: that doesn't seem to be in my repositories. |
| 05:52.56 | swa | ath5k works well here w/ a AR5005G 802.11abg NIC |
| 05:53.10 | swa | you'd have to custom kernel install |
| 05:53.15 | xbj9000 | "Now comes the main difference: instead of make install we run |
| 05:53.18 | xbj9000 | checkinstall -D make install" |
| 05:53.19 | swa | the deb way of course |
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| 05:53.49 | xbj9000 | so you can install the checkinstall package, and then make your .deb |
| 05:54.33 | xbj9000 | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/index.php |
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| 05:58.14 | JeffH_ | installed the latest madwifi and still no love. |
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| 06:00.29 | msshams | hi, i am sorry but can i find a channel about window$ |
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| 06:01.09 | rahsputin | good morning :D |
| 06:02.33 | rahsputin | how was or is the full moon or is it not yet, thought i caught a glimps around 5 in the morning |
| 06:02.35 | rahsputin | ? |
| 06:02.51 | swa | what does lsmod | grep ath produce JeffH_ ? |
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| 06:03.38 | xbj9000 | latest stable or latet svn? |
| 06:03.42 | JeffH_ | swa: shows for lines. ath_pci, ath_rate_sample, wlan and ath_hal |
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| 06:04.18 | swa | and iwconfig still shows no ath0 huh? |
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| 06:04.50 | JeffH_ | swa: nope, it shows lo, eth0, eth0 and sit0 |
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| 06:05.06 | swa | any chance your rf switch is 'off' JeffH_ ? |
| 06:05.24 | JeffH_ | rf switch? |
| 06:05.46 | Guerin | the hardware switch which turns your internal wireless device on or off |
| 06:06.01 | swa | exactly, ty Guerin |
| 06:06.12 | Guerin | it lives on your case somewhere and probably has a LED next to it which is currently dark |
| 06:06.46 | Guerin | once tried for three hours to get his wifi working with the bedamned switch off |
| 06:06.51 | JeffH_ | there is no switch that I see on the outside of this wireless card. Interestingly though, the led light is off. |
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| 06:07.05 | Guerin | JeffH_: laptop? |
| 06:07.34 | JeffH_ | Guerin: no, just installed a wireless pci card into my server machine. |
| 06:07.57 | Guerin | hm, that's likely not it, then. |
| 06:08.06 | swa | lspci -v | grep ath produce info JeffH_ ? |
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| 06:08.57 | JeffH_ | what package is lspci in? I don't seem to have it on my system. |
| 06:09.13 | xbj9000 | wut |
| 06:09.52 | Guerin | !find bin/lspci |
| 06:10.02 | Guerin | !wut |
| 06:10.02 | dpkg | i guess wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 06:10.11 | xbj9000 | haha |
| 06:10.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 06:11.08 | swa | pciutils JeffH_ |
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| 06:12.14 | rahsputin | i have apt-get and would like to kick-out a few things i mistakenly installed, i didnt know that they would bring soooo many depends. well my question is, is it possible to purge those app entirely and the depends too without leave there stains in /etc etc. ? |
| 06:12.19 | JeffH_ | lspci -v | grep -i ath shows 01:08.0 Network controller: Atheros Cmmunications, Inc. Unknown device 0023 (rev 01) |
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| 06:12.59 | JeffH_ | rahsputin: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 06:16.16 | JeffH_ | arg.. I wanted to get this working.. but its getting late. |
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| 06:16.41 | swa | try the kernel approach JeffH_ |
| 06:17.10 | JeffH_ | ugg.. really didn't want to have to mess with compiling a kernel.. guess I can try that tomorrow. |
| 06:17.41 | swa | it's straightforward the deb way |
| 06:17.54 | JeffH_ | oh yeah? |
| 06:17.59 | swa | yep |
| 06:18.07 | JeffH_ | then maybe I'll give it a shot tonight. :) |
| 06:18.12 | swa | sure |
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| 06:19.10 | rahsputin | For example when did # apt-get install wireless-tools pcmcia-cs kismet aircrack airsnort it brought a load of stuff i didnt need with it, i mistakenly hit Y and carried on talkin to my buddy, now i saw, when it was halfway through.... that wow, no way, but i carried on in the hope of being able to delete all that stuff again so that everything would be ~clean~ again, and i did try apt-get remove --purge the front listed files, but the rest is still the |
| 06:19.50 | xbj9000 | apt-get autoremove |
| 06:20.03 | xbj9000 | will remove no longer needed dependencies |
| 06:20.45 | JeffH_ | swa: got a link to that process? |
| 06:21.32 | xbj9000 | rahsputin ^ |
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| 06:22.57 | rahsputin | xbj9000 autoremove is invalid |
| 06:23.07 | swa | http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch JeffH_ |
| 06:23.18 | JeffH_ | thanks |
| 06:23.42 | swa | wget http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.27-rc5.tar.bz2 |
| 06:23.53 | swa | yw JeffH_ |
| 06:24.14 | xbj9000 | invalid? |
| 06:24.26 | JeffH_ | swa: will that work on an Etch system? |
| 06:24.35 | rahsputin | it would be autoclean but thats for /var/cache clensing |
| 06:24.55 | swa | yes JeffH_ |
| 06:25.06 | rahsputin | xbj9000 ^^ |
| 06:25.20 | xbj9000 | but I do it all the time |
| 06:25.23 | swa | http://madwifi.org/wiki/About/ath5k << ath5k doc |
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| 06:26.36 | swa | is your gfx card ati JeffH_ ? |
| 06:26.56 | JeffH_ | swa: dunno. |
| 06:27.11 | JeffH_ | This server is an old dell pc |
| 06:27.28 | swa | probably a non-issue then |
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| 06:28.24 | xbj9000 | rahsputin did you forget to do apt-get autoremove as root? |
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| 06:28.48 | nirupama | how to add debian to windows server |
| 06:29.07 | rahsputin | na, i think that it because i am in a chroot envir. with ....sarge :D |
| 06:29.11 | nirupama | my office has all windows machines and I am using debian |
| 06:29.16 | swa | I had to patch the fglrx code to get it to work with that kernel, which was the only semi-glitch .. the wifi works much better than the madwifi-source deb |
| 06:29.47 | xbj9000 | seems likely rahsputin |
| 06:30.06 | JeffH_ | Is there some way to apply some sane set of kernel options without going through every setting? |
| 06:30.23 | rahsputin | i know its not supported here anymore... but i think it is allround question on any dist. for the not all too advanced |
| 06:30.29 | xbj9000 | add it to the windows server nirupama? |
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| 06:30.51 | swa | cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config JeffH_ |
| 06:30.52 | nirupama | xbj9000, yes but how |
| 06:31.00 | dryrot | JeffH_: how about 'make oldconfig' ? |
| 06:31.10 | nirupama | xbj9000, how to add that to windows server.Is it through samba |
| 06:31.11 | jelly-home | nirupama: add it to AD? |
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| 06:31.23 | nirupama | jelly-home, AD? |
| 06:31.32 | jelly-home | active directory |
| 06:31.51 | nirupama | jelly-home, oh can you give me any link |
| 06:31.52 | rahsputin | and as i hear from my roommate autoremove is not that suggestable |
| 06:32.04 | nirupama | jelly-home, is samba related to it |
| 06:32.08 | swa | it explains that in the guide I linked re: custom kernel though JeffH_ |
| 06:32.09 | jelly-home | nirupama: I don't even know what you mean by "<nirupama> how to add debian to windows server", please explain |
| 06:32.13 | rahsputin | for me it would be ;D |
| 06:32.32 | xbj9000 | not suggestible why lol |
| 06:32.50 | nirupama | jelly-home, How to connect debian client to Windows 2000 server, debian server to |
| 06:32.50 | nirupama | Windows 2000 server. |
| 06:33.29 | jelly-home | nirupama: connect using what? windows file & system sharing? That's what samba is for. |
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| 06:35.24 | JeffH_ | something is messed up.. says Mmake[1]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop." |
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| 06:36.21 | rahsputin | xbj9000 my roommate says, it removes all packages that were automatically installed |
| 06:36.31 | jelly-home | nirupama: "/msg dpkg samba" might be helpful if that's what you're looking for |
| 06:36.39 | nirupama | jelly-home, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/340 |
| 06:36.47 | nirupama | jelly-home, will that be ok |
| 06:36.59 | xbj9000 | rahsputin only if they are no longer needed and were only installed as dependencies |
| 06:37.06 | xbj9000 | it's the exact command you're looking for |
| 06:37.17 | nirupama | jelly-home, How to use windows domain controller, active directory etc. to enforce |
| 06:37.17 | nirupama | policies on debian clients. |
| 06:37.21 | rahsputin | xbj9000 and that in some cases can suck if there were a whole lot of automatic installed packages, he's talking like ~hunderds~ LOL |
| 06:37.23 | rahsputin | :D |
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| 06:37.25 | xbj9000 | it will not remove anything you explicitly installed |
| 06:38.13 | xbj9000 | I litterally use it every week at some point |
| 06:38.28 | rahsputin | thats right .D |
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| 06:39.10 | rahsputin | wow, what do work on ? |
| 06:39.35 | jelly-home | nirupama: I don't think group policies will have much effect on remote settings on debian clients. You should be able to control access to server resources though |
| 06:39.49 | xbj9000 | so if you apt-get remove the things that pulled in all those extra packages you don't want, then apt-get autoremove will take care of the other junk |
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| 06:40.26 | jelly-home | nirupama: try #samba |
| 06:40.27 | rahsputin | sounds great ;D |
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| 06:40.43 | xbj9000 | you probably have already seen apt-get suggest that you run that command for the 'following automatically installed packages' |
| 06:40.43 | nirupama | jelly-home, ok |
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| 06:41.16 | swa | JeffH_, you forgot to remove the symlink |
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| 06:42.13 | jelly-home | nirupama: also, that tutorial suggests rebuilding samba. This might not be needed for current debian stable |
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| 06:42.50 | JeffH_ | yeah.. that was it. okay.. now I need to look for the modules you said to enable. |
| 06:42.51 | swa | cd /usr/src ; rm linux ; ln -s linux-2.6.27-rc5 linux ; cd linux |
| 06:43.25 | nirupama | jelly-home, ok |
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| 06:45.05 | jelly-home | xbj9000, rahsputin: one little issue that that sarge apt has no autoremove |
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| 06:47.41 | scastillo | anyone with an x86_64 cpu and NX enabled? I don't know how to enable it :( wich option in .config? |
| 06:47.46 | rahsputin | jelly-home i am feelin it LOL.... na, there must be another way of solving it with apt-get in sarge.... but my phantasy and knowlege dont extend to such hights....yet |
| 06:49.37 | xbj9000 | oh I see |
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| 06:50.34 | xbj9000 | sorry |
| 06:50.43 | rahsputin | whats up ? |
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| 06:51.57 | xbj9000 | I dunno, if you don't have autoremove |
| 06:52.16 | kamathln | i asked dpkg ( the bot) for help twice and it ran away ! |
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| 06:52.25 | xbj9000 | I suppose you could scroll way up and copy all the package names it installed lol |
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| 06:53.03 | rahsputin | i am at it lol ;D |
| 06:53.12 | JeffH_ | wonders how long this kernel compile will take. I'm guessing I should just goto bed. |
| 06:53.17 | jelly-home | rahsputin: debforest will remove everything you don't explicitely tell it you want to keep. deborphan is less drastic. |
| 06:53.23 | kamathln | xbj9000: if you know how to use find properly, it may help looking at the cache |
| 06:53.29 | jelly-home | rahsputin: debfoster |
| 06:54.08 | jelly-home | !test |
| 06:54.18 | jelly-home | %test |
| 06:54.30 | JeffH_ | swa: thanks for your help |
| 06:54.31 | jelly-home | &test |
| 06:54.33 | ravenbird | Yes, jelly-home, you're still online. |
| 06:54.38 | swa | np JeffH_ |
| 06:54.39 | jelly-home | apt: test |
| 06:54.40 | apt | Failed! |
| 06:54.40 | rahsputin | i'll take a look at it |
| 06:54.54 | jelly-home | apt: debfoster |
| 06:54.55 | apt | i guess debfoster is a package that detects \"orphaned\" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 06:55.02 | rahsputin | hmm, i think i'll have to install it first :D |
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| 06:55.25 | xbj9000 | sounds right |
| 06:55.38 | JeffH_ | so someone earlier was saying apt-get has a way to delete packages that are pulled in part of some other package? |
| 06:56.01 | xbj9000 | yeah JeffH_ |
| 06:56.20 | JeffH_ | how? |
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| 06:56.41 | xbj9000 | suppose you install gnome-desktop-environment then remove it but still have it's hundreds of apps |
| 06:56.46 | xbj9000 | you do apt-get autoremove |
| 06:57.09 | xbj9000 | assuming your debian is new enough to have autoremove |
| 06:57.17 | jelly-home | JeffH_, xbj9000: that's only for post-etch apt |
| 06:57.28 | JeffH_ | gotcha.. thanks. |
| 06:57.32 | xbj9000 | etch didn't have it? |
| 06:57.48 | rush1 | What's the best way to install postgres-8.3 in debian etch? |
| 06:57.53 | xbj9000 | apparently debfoster does the same function |
| 06:58.23 | jelly-home | JeffH_: if you use aptitude for installing, it will take care of brought in dependencies automatically |
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| 06:58.51 | JeffH_ | on to a more important question. My server is headless. What options do I have (short of a monitor) to get in to the system and look at things if networking isn't working properly? |
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| 06:59.16 | JeffH_ | jelly-home: yeah, I knew about that.. but I tend to not use aptitude just out of forgetfulnes. |
| 06:59.22 | rahsputin | wow, that is a nice tool jelly-home !!! |
| 06:59.29 | swa | nullmodem JeffH_ |
| 06:59.43 | kamathln | JeffH_: IPMI, IKVM |
| 06:59.47 | jelly-home | JeffH_: don't be |
| 07:00.06 | JeffH_ | swa: my laptop doesn't have a serial port. |
| 07:00.27 | jelly-home | JeffH_: there are usb-serial dongles |
| 07:00.36 | JeffH_ | okay. |
| 07:00.41 | swa | and you have no 'wired' connex on server JeffH_ ? |
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| 07:01.06 | JeffH_ | swa: I have wired.. but I'm thinking if something completely goes bonkers. |
| 07:01.17 | swa | gotcha |
| 07:01.18 | jelly-home | JeffH_: proper server hardware has remote console, remote power capabilities |
| 07:01.22 | kamathln | JeffH_: IKVM |
| 07:01.41 | JeffH_ | what's lKVM? |
| 07:01.58 | jelly-home | that a capital "i" in ikvm |
| 07:02.50 | JeffH_ | what's IKVM? |
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| 07:03.12 | kamathln | Internet Keyboard Video Mouse |
| 07:03.52 | kamathln | you connect it to your server, it has a seperate network connection. after than, you can monitor your mahcine fromanywhere on ther network/internet |
| 07:04.01 | OpenTokix | IKVC |
| 07:04.06 | OpenTokix | Internet Keyboard video Crap |
| 07:04.17 | kamathln | OpenTokix: is that bad ? |
| 07:04.49 | JeffH_ | well, hopefully this just works.. cause I don't have a serial cable nor a IKVM |
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| 07:05.03 | kamathln | JeffH_: ok |
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| 07:05.41 | JeffH_ | I should goto bed.. this compile is going to take a while. Thanks for the help everyone. |
| 07:05.52 | swa | have a good one JeffH_ |
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| 07:06.14 | nxmehta | i need to print remotely over the internet from windows to a printer connected to a debian server. i've set cups/samba up so i can do it on the local LAN, but how should i do it remotely? am i correct in assuming that i should not use samba remotely (it's insecure)? |
| 07:07.07 | trochala | Hello! There seems to be some problem with my package database, http://paste.debian.net/19110/ |
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| 07:07.20 | trochala | Any Ideas why this is happening? |
| 07:08.23 | JeffH_ | I remember when I cared how fast I could compile the kernel. haha |
| 07:08.47 | H2S04 | JeffH_, takes like 10 minutes on my machine :P |
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| 07:09.18 | kamathln | H2S04: same .config ? |
| 07:09.43 | JeffH_ | Well, considering this is a P3.. I'm guessing it will be longer than 10 minutes. |
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| 07:10.15 | swa | getting rid of all the 'extra' cruft from a kernel which doesn't apply to a particular machine speeds it up of course |
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| 07:11.01 | JeffH_ | yeah.. I just don't particularly care to go through and look at all the options and figure out what does and doesn't apply. |
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| 07:11.34 | JeffH_ | I still think there should be some way to specify your motherboard and have some gross level of options enabled/disabled for you. |
| 07:12.15 | H2S04 | swa, having a 3.6 ghz quad core speeds it up too ;) |
| 07:12.33 | H2S04 | JeffH_, you could do that yourself :P. |
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| 07:12.46 | JeffH_ | H2S04: haha |
| 07:12.55 | H2S04 | using some CLI tools adn knowing what hardware you have. |
| 07:12.59 | OpenTokix | swa: Until you read up on "modules" |
| 07:13.44 | swa | that's module compiling, not 'whole' kernel compiles though |
| 07:13.55 | H2S04 | JeffH_, then again using makemenuconfig generally takes less than 5 minutes anyways. And if you were doing tons of workstations you could just save the .config. |
| 07:14.34 | JeffH_ | how do you figure 'make menuconfig' takes less than 5 minutes? |
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| 07:14.56 | H2S04 | JeffH_, it takes less than five minutes for me to go through and select / deselect everything I need. |
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| 07:15.09 | JeffH_ | IMO it would take MUCH longer to go through every option. |
| 07:15.19 | H2S04 | JeffH_, you don't go through every option. |
| 07:15.23 | JeffH_ | maybe after you've done it 1000's of times. |
| 07:15.25 | H2S04 | JeffH_, you use the search functions. |
| 07:15.52 | H2S04 | JeffH_, you go through the options one by one? well that's why it takes you so long. |
| 07:15.54 | H2S04 | :P |
| 07:15.56 | simonrvn | a la `less' |
| 07:16.24 | swa | knowing your hardware is the key to it JeffH_ |
| 07:16.32 | JeffH_ | H2S04: your approach doesn't sound very through. |
| 07:16.52 | H2S04 | JeffH_, of course it is, but once again, I know what I need to enable and what I don't. |
| 07:17.01 | H2S04 | as swa said, knowing your hardware helps. |
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| 07:17.57 | JeffH_ | I guess that's the difference.. I don't care to know my hardware that well.. I care about getting things accomplished. |
| 07:18.08 | H2S04 | JeffH_, hahahahaha. |
| 07:18.28 | H2S04 | JeffH_, Knowing your hardware isn't hard. You have a booklet that comes with your motherboard. |
| 07:18.38 | H2S04 | JeffH_, know how to use an appendix? |
| 07:19.02 | H2S04 | JeffH_, you act like that makes it so you can't get anything done... wow. |
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| 07:19.51 | H2S04 | haha, what do you think I do sit and memorize the hardware in various systems so I can save a few minutes compiling a kernel? |
| 07:20.19 | H2S04 | haha, I'm still laughing about that subtle ad hominem comment. |
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| 07:20.29 | JeffH_ | Is there any way to have a clue how far along this compile is or do I just need to be familiar with my kenel so I just know? haha |
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| 07:22.07 | dudeman | enouf, ping |
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| 07:24.37 | heroxbd | Can you guys input german letters in emacs23? |
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| 07:24.59 | H2S04 | heroxbd, sure. |
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| 07:26.57 | H2S04 | äöü |
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| 07:27.09 | dudeman | huh |
| 07:27.10 | H2S04 | Ã |
| 07:27.19 | dudeman | how do you do that? |
| 07:27.33 | H2S04 | .... |
| 07:27.43 | wols | dudeman: by configuring our debian |
| 07:28.04 | dudeman | can you guys tell me how |
| 07:28.08 | dudeman | I can also do this |
| 07:28.11 | dudeman | ? |
| 07:28.21 | H2S04 | depends on how you want to do it. |
| 07:28.29 | wols | normally yes. we simpl use a german keymap and proper fonts? |
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| 07:28.39 | Tex-Twil | hello |
| 07:28.41 | dudeman | what do I need to configure in order to make crazy characters? |
| 07:28.42 | H2S04 | wols, eh, I only do that sometimes :P |
| 07:29.02 | dudeman | not just german, but all sorts of weird ones |
| 07:29.10 | dudeman | you know like boxes and faces and such |
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| 07:29.15 | Tex-Twil | is there a way to dump/restore the network configuration into/from a file ? |
| 07:29.29 | dudeman | its called extended characters or something isn't it? |
| 07:29.31 | wols | Tex-Twil: it already is in a file. /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:29.33 | H2S04 | dudeman, well first of all for some of that stuff you need an application that supports unicode |
| 07:29.45 | dudeman | H2S04, I do |
| 07:29.46 | xbj9000 | uxterm |
| 07:29.55 | wols | dudeman: in ascii they are called that yesd |
| 07:30.01 | H2S04 | dudeman, easiest way for you is probably to use xmodmap to bind a key on your keyboard to "Multi_key" |
| 07:30.12 | H2S04 | #!/bin/bash |
| 07:30.14 | H2S04 | xmodmap -e 'keycode 116 = Multi_key' |
| 07:30.16 | dudeman | H2S04, how can I tell if I already have one of those bindings? |
| 07:30.16 | H2S04 | xmodmap -e 'keycode 115 = Multi_key' |
| 07:30.18 | H2S04 | for example :) |
| 07:30.30 | Tex-Twil | wols, but for example if I want to have 2 different configs ? |
| 07:30.36 | rahsputin | Mille Gracie jelly-home for the beautiful tool: debfoster !! |
| 07:30.38 | H2S04 | that binds both windows keys as modifiers. |
| 07:30.43 | dudeman | oh |
| 07:30.50 | Tex-Twil | wols, ... and switch between them |
| 07:31.02 | dudeman | ok |
| 07:31.04 | dudeman | then what to do? |
| 07:31.11 | H2S04 | so that key and " and a letter would give you, öäü |
| 07:31.32 | dudeman | its not |
| 07:31.54 | H2S04 | maybe it's the letter first. |
| 07:32.01 | H2S04 | I don't remember, I don't use that anymore. |
| 07:32.15 | dudeman | state 0x10, keycode 116 (keysym 0xff20, Multi_key), same_screen YES |
| 07:32.18 | H2S04 | if I have to write a lot I just use a german keymap. |
| 07:32.20 | dudeman | also on 115 |
| 07:32.31 | dudeman | how to make weird little characters? |
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| 07:32.50 | H2S04 | with key combinations + the windows keys |
| 07:32.59 | dudeman | what are some combinations? |
| 07:33.18 | dudeman | can you give 1 example? |
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| 07:33.58 | H2S04 | composekey + " + a |
| 07:34.03 | H2S04 | should give you ä |
| 07:34.15 | dudeman | it does not |
| 07:34.21 | H2S04 | then it's not set right :P |
| 07:34.30 | dudeman | xev returns it |
| 07:34.38 | dudeman | $>xmodmap -e 'keycode 116 = Multi_key' |
| 07:34.44 | dudeman | I type this and for 115 also |
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| 07:35.28 | heroxbd | H2504, I mean, using the input method "german-prefix" inside emacs23. |
| 07:35.30 | H2S04 | it works on the boxes I use it on. |
| 07:35.58 | H2S04 | heroxbd, no I'll change the keymap, if I'm typing in german it's generally pages worth. |
| 07:35.59 | dudeman | oh |
| 07:36.05 | dudeman | I wonder why it doesn't work in konsole |
| 07:36.10 | dudeman | it works in other stuff, like iceweasel |
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| 07:36.23 | H2S04 | figured. |
| 07:36.41 | H2S04 | dudeman, because you probably have to change konsole's settings :P |
| 07:36.57 | heroxbd | H2504, I am familiar with English keyboards. And I use German not quite. So I'd like only a input method. |
| 07:37.30 | H2S04 | well you could try what I just told dudeman |
| 07:37.35 | H2S04 | set the "compose" key |
| 07:37.54 | heroxbd | H2S04: Let me see... Hmm.. |
| 07:37.54 | dudeman | I'm just a dude, man. |
| 07:38.02 | H2S04 | dudeman, http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html has a list of compose combinations. |
| 07:38.09 | dudeman | H2S04, thanks |
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| 07:38.27 | dudeman | dpkg compose.combinations is http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 07:38.27 | dpkg | dudeman: okay |
| 07:38.35 | dudeman | H2S04, I'll bookmark it for later ;) |
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| 07:39.40 | H2S04 | dudeman, you can also use 'less /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose' |
| 07:39.46 | H2S04 | assuming that's your locale. |
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| 07:40.32 | heroxbd | H2S04: What is your compose key? I hang around and meet with different keyboards, there may not be "Win" key. |
| 07:41.00 | H2S04 | heroxbd, I don't use the compose key anymore. I just switch keymaps generally. |
| 07:41.20 | H2S04 | I used to use windows, but I would suggest caps-lock if you're on some funky keyboards sometimes. |
| 07:41.26 | heroxbd | H2S04: Well. I don't use X11... I use the console and screen... |
| 07:41.55 | H2S04 | heroxbd, I do most of my work in consoles to, but I use xmonad. |
| 07:41.56 | cisticola | Hi, I have quite a lot of tiff scan files to print and am finding the gui tools painful, Is there a command line way? |
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| 07:42.39 | heroxbd | H2S04: capslock has been bound to Contrl. |
| 07:42.40 | H2S04 | heroxbd, if you use screen and you're not typing a ton of chars |
| 07:42.52 | H2S04 | you can just use crtl+a crtl+v |
| 07:43.02 | H2S04 | then "a for example would give you ä |
| 07:43.16 | heroxbd | ä |
| 07:43.22 | heroxbd | wowwwww! |
| 07:43.24 | H2S04 | happy? |
| 07:43.32 | H2S04 | öüäà |
| 07:43.42 | H2S04 | ss is à |
| 07:44.10 | H2S04 | if you're not typing a lot that can get you by. |
| 07:44.25 | heroxbd | Great. I don't think I am going to flood the channel. I will play with it privately :) |
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| 07:45.34 | H2S04 | heroxbd, I was just giving you a couple examples :P |
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| 07:47.30 | heroxbd | H2S04: Hmmm.. Let me fire up a X11 and see how the compose/multi-key works :) |
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| 07:50.50 | vinilios | is there any way to install apache mod_wsgi in etch ? |
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| 08:10.39 | karsten | 0 |
| 08:10.58 | sxp | hi |
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| 08:14.53 | IamSOG | http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/ finally found the same series of my laptop, I wonder if these steps will still work in Debian... after all that one he install is a older version |
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| 08:16.44 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I've been using Lenny since June on my dell... recently reinstalled it from a weekly amd64 build... however on booting I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(8,1)" ... any tips on what exactly this means? |
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| 08:18.44 | ieatcereal | needing libc 2.4...whats a way to upgrade? im in etch |
| 08:18.46 | ieatcereal | new to debian |
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| 08:25.57 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 08:25.58 | judd | streuner_: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-13 (lenny) 2.7-14 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
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| 08:32.10 | wols | ieatcereal: why do you need glibc 2.4? |
| 08:32.34 | wols | Cyorxamp: it means it can't find your root partition |
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| 08:32.52 | ieatcereal | wols to run nexuiz |
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| 08:33.30 | wols | judd: info nexuiz |
| 08:33.31 | judd | wols: nexuiz (games): is optional; Version: 2.2.1-1; Size: 593.2k; Installed: 1464k -- A fast-paced 3D Ego-Shooter |
| 08:33.42 | wols | ieatcereal: it's in debian |
| 08:33.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | why is it i cant log in to the bloody hotmail using iceweasel and epiphany |
| 08:33.52 | ieatcereal | wols im building from svn |
| 08:33.57 | wols | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I suggest you ask microsoft.com |
| 08:34.12 | ieatcereal | wols its at version 2.4.2 now |
| 08:34.13 | wols | ieatcereal: there is no way to get glibc 2.4 in etch |
| 08:34.23 | wols | judd: info nexuiz sid |
| 08:34.24 | judd | wols: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 08:34.33 | wols | judd: info nexuiz --release sid |
| 08:34.34 | judd | wols: nexuiz (games): is optional; Version: 2.4.2-1; Size: 720.9k; Installed: 1792k -- A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter |
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| 08:34.44 | ieatcereal | sid im guessing is unstable? |
| 08:34.49 | wols | yes |
| 08:34.56 | ieatcereal | cant i just dl from unstable repo? |
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| 08:35.04 | wols | but lenny has libc6 2.7 so that'd be enough for your build |
| 08:35.06 | Cyorxamp | wols: I can get to the shell on /dev/sda1 using the rescue mode just fine |
| 08:35.09 | wols | but you had to upgrade to lenny |
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| 08:35.12 | Cyorxamp | wols, what kinds of things should I check? |
| 08:35.20 | ieatcereal | what is lenny? |
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| 08:35.23 | ex-parrot | hey all.... can someone comment on whether or not EFI / GPT based booting should be expected to "just work" using Etch / the Etch installer? |
| 08:35.27 | ieatcereal | testing? or something |
| 08:35.27 | wols | Cyorxamp: drivers, grub settings |
| 08:35.38 | Cyorxamp | wols: It's lilo, and the lilo conf looks fine |
| 08:35.42 | Cyorxamp | wols, as does fstab |
| 08:36.00 | wols | Cyorxamp: what hdd controller chipset, what kernel? |
| 08:36.08 | ieatcereal | wols thanks for your help, whatever advice you got, will check it when i wake up, time to sleep 440am |
| 08:36.09 | wols | !tell ieatcereal about lenny |
| 08:36.26 | ieatcereal | thanks |
| 08:36.44 | Cyorxamp | wols, can I find that with lspci or something? |
| 08:36.51 | wols | yes |
| 08:36.58 | Cyorxamp | wols, it had no problem with etch a year back, or lenny back in June... and it installed to it - isn't it doubtful that it can't detect the disk? |
| 08:37.30 | wols | Cyorxamp: ok. you have no problem then all is fine and your system boots as it should. have a nice day running debian. goodbye |
| 08:37.50 | Cyorxamp | wols, SATA Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-RAID-5 SATA |
| 08:37.57 | Doctor_Nick | wat |
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| 08:41.26 | Cyorxamp | wols, is it normal for lilo.conf to point to initrd and vmlinuz that are only symlinks?! |
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| 08:41.50 | ex-parrot | Cyorxamp: yes. |
| 08:41.52 | wols | Cyorxamp: I said "goodbye" |
| 08:42.00 | Cyorxamp | why you being so pissy? |
| 08:42.06 | Cyorxamp | ex-parrot, thanks |
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| 08:53.46 | ex-parrot | nobody knows about EFI support? |
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| 08:53.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I can ping www.google.com but no any computer on my network, even the gateway...... but I can surf the web, why is it happening? |
| 08:54.16 | ex-parrot | gonzaloaf_laptop: are they all running awful "personal firewalls" and dropping ICMP? |
| 08:54.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ex-parrot, nop |
| 08:54.48 | ex-parrot | does your arp table have entries for them? |
| 08:55.05 | ex-parrot | (assuming they're on the same segment) |
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| 08:55.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ex-parrot, I'm on my laptop, when I connect to the network by wired I can do the ping |
| 08:55.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | but wireless no |
| 08:55.26 | ex-parrot | have a look in your arp table |
| 08:55.32 | ex-parrot | does your AP have client separation enabled maybe? |
| 08:55.49 | ex-parrot | is the access point perhaps acting as a router and doing NAT and confusing your other devices? |
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| 08:56.07 | kasimon | Hello, how do I correctly reopen a bug? |
| 08:57.04 | kasimon | I've sent a mail to #bugnr@bugs.debian.org, but the bug is still marked as closed. |
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| 08:57.33 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi does make distclean remove any config files ? |
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| 08:57.59 | ex-parrot | sysadmin-lb22: you can have a look in the Makefile and see what actions make distclean will take |
| 08:58.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ex-parrot, where is my arp table? |
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| 08:58.45 | ex-parrot | from a command line, arp -n will print the arp table |
| 08:58.48 | wols | gonzaloaf_laptop: in your kerlen |
| 08:58.57 | wols | kernel |
| 08:58.57 | ex-parrot | if you see IP addresses associated with MAC addresses it's a good sign |
| 08:59.04 | sysadmin-lb22 | ex-parrot, thanks that worked |
| 08:59.19 | ex-parrot | no problem sysadmin-lb22 |
| 08:59.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ex-parrot, I see 2 |
| 08:59.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | mac's |
| 09:00.21 | ex-parrot | ping one of the IPs of the machines you can't contact then have a look in the arp table again and see if the machine's MAC address appears by its IP address |
| 09:00.44 | ex-parrot | a simpler question, perhaps... does your subnet / network address change when you move between wired and wireless? |
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| 09:03.34 | |fluxdude| | can someone please clarify to me, on Linux, a thread does not appear as a process in ps, right? |
| 09:03.43 | |fluxdude| | threads are within processes, it's only when processes fork new child processes like apache or something that you see lots of the same process name? |
| 09:04.06 | idimmu | afaik thats correct |
| 09:04.08 | ex-parrot | |fluxdude|: on some kernels threads will appear as processes |
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| 09:04.12 | ex-parrot | I forget how to check though :/ |
| 09:04.24 | kasimon | or should i create a new bug? |
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| 09:08.59 | davidisko | hi guys, i've install mysql-server (5.0.51a-15) via apt-get on debian lenny.. i wan't to use default encodings utf8_general_ci but there's default latin1_swedish_ci... how can i change default settings for whole mysql? |
| 09:09.06 | davidisko | *installed |
| 09:09.15 | Trewas | |fluxdude|: threads have their own process ids and ps can show them, but does not do that by default |
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| 09:12.08 | Trewas | |fluxdude|: or maybe not their own process ids, but ps -eLf anyway shows them... got my facts mixed because htop shows each thread with separate PID but apparently it is wrong |
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| 09:16.35 | oz_ | Hi, can some help me with running cgi scripts in debian ? |
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| 09:19.49 | ZX81 | hi all, I'm running Lenny (I think) and just did an "apt-get update && apt-get apgrade" |
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| 09:20.00 | ZX81 | once it finished apache wouldn't start |
| 09:20.10 | ZX81 | I tracked it down and its perl |
| 09:20.23 | oz_ | ZX81, did you try restarting apache ? |
| 09:20.25 | ZX81 | if I move the perl.load file from the mods-enabled directory |
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| 09:20.34 | ZX81 | oz_: yeah like 50 times! |
| 09:20.35 | ZX81 | :) |
| 09:20.39 | ZX81 | its live |
| 09:20.40 | ZX81 | :) |
| 09:20.54 | ZX81 | anyway so if I move the perl.load file it starts up fine |
| 09:21.04 | ZX81 | I did a process of elimination |
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| 09:21.09 | ZX81 | seeing as there was no error |
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| 09:21.19 | ZX81 | even with apache2 -e debug |
| 09:21.38 | ZX81 | so how do I go about finding out what in the perl module is not working |
| 09:21.45 | ZX81 | I kinda need it for th rt bug tracker |
| 09:22.02 | ZX81 | not loading it means I need to disable perl references |
| 09:22.03 | ZX81 | oh |
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| 09:22.14 | ZX81 | and I use it for progress bar updates for ajax/php |
| 09:22.28 | ZX81 | any ideas on better ways to get logging? |
| 09:22.48 | ZX81 | or ways to replace: |
| 09:22.49 | ZX81 | # PerlModule Apache::DBI |
| 09:22.49 | ZX81 | # PerlRequire /opt/rt3/bin/webmux.pl |
| 09:23.05 | Enigma | I just ran dpkg-reconfigure clamav-base and I want to terminate debconf-gui. How can I do that? None of the usual break-sequences work :( |
| 09:23.27 | ZX81 | is it locked? |
| 09:23.47 | ZX81 | :) oh well |
| 09:24.09 | ZX81 | No bug tracking for me tomorrow - just as if there were no issues :D |
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| 09:25.16 | bingo | hello. |
| 09:25.19 | ZX81 | anyone know the module name for apache2 mod perl |
| 09:26.00 | bingo | i am figuring out php fastcgi configuration within debian. |
| 09:26.24 | bingo | anyone did this installation an can help me? |
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| 09:27.13 | kooll | ZX81: apt-cache search apache2 perl -> libapache2-mod-perl2 |
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| 09:27.47 | bingo | :) i need an advisor |
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| 09:30.30 | jaalto | What is the easiest way to test that $(VERSION) is greater than $(REQUIRED) in makefile (GNU if...endif)? |
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| 09:31.07 | bingo | perhaps someone wants to take a look @ my configuration ... |
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| 09:32.00 | jaalto | Do I just need to $(shell ... dpkg --compare-versions ...)? |
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| 09:42.00 | rahsputin | Hi again! How do i install a 2.4kernel in a schroot envir. with a host machine running 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 09:42.15 | rahsputin | all on one machine |
| 09:42.40 | MrWax | how can I restart proftpd? |
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| 09:42.41 | MrWax | anyone? |
| 09:43.11 | Gryfelhase | MrWax: I don't know the programm, but... |
| 09:43.24 | mhymn | MrWax: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 09:43.28 | Gryfelhase | /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 09:43.37 | Gryfelhase | and then the same call with start |
| 09:43.46 | MrWax | thanks |
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| 09:45.32 | rahsputin | Gryfelhase Does restart work there too ? |
| 09:46.04 | Gryfelhase | don't know, try it out, I dopn't use this programm |
| 09:46.18 | Gryfelhase | I just thought, cause I do this with other deamons |
| 09:46.22 | Gryfelhase | like apache |
| 09:46.23 | rahsputin | me too, i thought it can be an option for MrWax |
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| 09:49.44 | ZX81 | HAH! |
| 09:49.47 | ZX81 | Found it! |
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| 09:50.00 | ZX81 | libapache2_mod_perl2 - was crashing |
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| 09:50.04 | ZX81 | on apache startup |
| 09:50.09 | ZX81 | because of otrs |
| 09:50.21 | ZX81 | a bug tracking system I didn't like |
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| 09:50.25 | ZX81 | saweet |
| 09:50.28 | ZX81 | system all go |
| 09:51.36 | simonrvn | running mod_php too? they don't play nice sometimes. |
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| 09:54.13 | optraz | hi, im looking what are the ways to transfer files from 1 host to another host |
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| 09:55.30 | simonrvn | sftp/ssh comes to mind |
| 09:56.06 | jelly | optraz: do you have a shell account on at least one of those? |
| 09:56.13 | optraz | yes, including root |
| 09:56.46 | jelly | oh, then you can use whatever you like, scp, sftp, ftp, tar|nc ... |
| 09:57.24 | optraz | which is the easies as well as faster ? |
| 09:57.59 | IamSOG | does an old Debian Scrpit will still work in the new 4.0 ? |
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| 09:58.15 | jelly | optraz: how much data do you need transferred? |
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| 09:59.39 | jelly | optraz: if you have ssh installed on both, and are copying a single file, or a directory without any special needs (keeping hardlinks, symlinks) scp is simplest to use |
| 10:01.22 | jelly | optraz: if your data is easily compressible and your bandwidth is limited, you can use scp with -C. |
| 10:01.31 | jelly | another option is |
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| 10:01.33 | jelly | !ssh tar |
| 10:01.33 | dpkg | from memory, ssh tar is what we use when we don't have rsync. cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' |
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| 10:02.30 | optraz | jelly: 35G |
| 10:03.03 | optraz | yes, i dont have rsync |
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| 10:03.34 | petemc | surely that could be remedied? |
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| 10:04.25 | IamSOG | anyone know if old Debian Scrpits, modules will still work in the new 4.0 ? |
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| 10:05.33 | IamSOG | anyone know if old Debian Scrpits, modules will still work in the new 4.0 ? Because I have an old laptop, and it's internal camrea and blue tooth might need to use an old one |
| 10:05.39 | Sherpya | does net installer of lenny broken? |
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| 10:06.06 | petemc | IamSOG: whats an scrpit? |
| 10:06.48 | Sherpya | the kernel says that it cannot find a ramdisk image at 0, format somehow changed and mkinitrd tools outdated? |
| 10:06.50 | petemc | IamSOG: modules wont work across different kernel/compiler versions |
| 10:07.03 | varlon | hi :-) I'm using debian lenny and have Microsoft LifeCam NX-3000, so, now all working fine. I use Cheese for create image and video. this camera can create image with resolution 1280x960, but default is 640x480. What kind of soft can I use for it? |
| 10:07.06 | IamSOG | Oh... I see |
| 10:07.09 | petemc | Sherpya: mkinitrd has been outdated for a while |
| 10:07.41 | Sherpya | yes but network install is unusable right now :( |
| 10:07.56 | IamSOG | http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/ <--- I am trying to make the internal camera, bluetooth and the transmeta cpu works... um... |
| 10:07.56 | petemc | Sherpya: which network install? |
| 10:08.14 | Sherpya | petemc: daily amd64 lenny |
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| 10:09.39 | IamSOG | somehow the CPUydn doesn't work with my transmeta, might need to try that |
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| 10:13.10 | dqn | some file is taking up a LOT of space on the root partition and I can't find out which one it is. can you recommend any trick/utility that would help me with this? |
| 10:13.17 | heroxbd | Hello. My professor asks me to write a GUI interface for controlling our serial port devices (DMM and a generator). What library will you recommend? I want it clear to write and easy for other to follow my work. |
| 10:13.56 | kasimon | dqn: du -s /* | sort -nr |
| 10:14.37 | dqn | kasimon: thanks alot! |
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| 10:15.11 | kasimon | dqn: even better would be du -sx /* | sort -nr |
| 10:15.38 | dqn | oh ok |
| 10:16.09 | dqn | it's a bit slow but I guess that's becuase it's going trough all those directories |
| 10:16.37 | dqn | anyway thx! |
| 10:18.11 | kasimon | dqn: another way would be to use find / -size 100M to find all files larger than 100m, that could be faster than du |
| 10:18.23 | rahsputin | did anything show up on my "issue" |
| 10:18.32 | rahsputin | Hi again! How do i install a 2.4kernel in a schroot envir. with a host machine running 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 10:18.50 | rahsputin | what config must i manipulate |
| 10:18.56 | dqn | oh that's pretty cool, the file is definitely bigger than 100M |
| 10:20.04 | dqn | I'm just wondering, /* will match all directories on /, what if I want all directories EXCEPT /media and /mnt ? |
| 10:20.10 | kasimon | rahsputin: you cannot change the running kernel in a chroot. you need uml or virtualization for that |
| 10:20.40 | kasimon | dqn: are /media and /mnt on the same filesystem? |
| 10:21.20 | dqn | kasimon: no, afaik they just have mountpoints |
| 10:21.43 | themill | dqn: you just want / not /*, and use -x to keep du to one file system |
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| 10:22.03 | dqn | oh ok wow |
| 10:22.12 | dqn | but what if I want to exclue /var for example? |
| 10:22.28 | themill | --exclude. man du |
| 10:22.28 | dqn | can I say /* but not /var ? |
| 10:22.30 | kasimon | themill: /* is better for du, 'du -sx /' will sum up the whole root filesystem |
| 10:23.01 | themill | kasimon: except that's what he wants xcept the -s) |
| 10:24.37 | dqn | thanks |
| 10:24.45 | dqn | :S |
| 10:26.17 | kasimon | themill: 'du -x / | sort -nr | head' finds you the largest file, 'du -sx /* | sort -nr' finds you the largest directory. If you really look for one large file, the first is better, but if there are files filling up in a directory I prefer the letter. |
| 10:27.08 | kasimon | *latter, and the go iteratively down into the larges directory found. |
| 10:27.55 | stew | however 'du -sx /* | sort -nr' will also look in his /var, /usr, /home partitions (if those are separate partitions) |
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| 10:28.36 | kasimon | stew: d'oh, you're right. |
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| 10:38.16 | rahsputin | thanx kasimon |
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| 10:41.00 | ``y7 | is there a firewall/router that i can run on debian 4.0 that is easier to use than iptables? |
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| 10:42.09 | kamathln | ``y7: I second your question |
| 10:42.14 | simonrvn | you want a frontend... there are plenty |
| 10:42.33 | kasimon | ``y7: some people i know like uif |
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| 10:42.56 | ``y7 | i have no clue what i'm doing. all i need is port forwarding and NAT. i've been trying to figure out this iptables all day and all i've learned is that it's too complicated for me to figure out |
| 10:43.16 | simonrvn | you were told about ipmasq that many hours ago |
| 10:43.56 | ``y7 | < themill > : ``y7: ipmasq uses iptables to set up your NAT and will also do port forwarding |
| 10:44.00 | ``y7 | ya, which uses iptables |
| 10:44.20 | ``y7 | if i don't understand iptables, how am i supposed to use a program that uses iptables? |
| 10:44.56 | simonrvn | because it does it for you. set it up, then study it all you want. |
| 10:45.05 | ``y7 | k, ty |
| 10:45.10 | kasimon | ``y7: that's nonsense. do you understand the linux kernel fully? So if not, how do you use it ;-) |
| 10:45.11 | kamathln | ``y7: most programs which use iptables , are written to make it easy |
| 10:45.24 | ``y7 | i don't know anything about linux period |
| 10:45.27 | kamathln | kasimon: +1 |
| 10:45.31 | simonrvn | kasimon: no kidding |
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| 10:45.34 | ``y7 | i'm trying to force myself to need something that linux offers so i will have to learn it |
| 10:45.39 | ``y7 | and so far, i've failed at everything |
| 10:46.03 | simonrvn | maybe trying to hard |
| 10:46.06 | simonrvn | too* |
| 10:46.35 | ``y7 | i guess i just prefer gui over cli |
| 10:46.41 | ``y7 | and i fail with cli |
| 10:46.56 | kamathln | ``y7: where do you fail at cli ? |
| 10:46.59 | kasimon | ``y7: the maybe something like icefair is more for you: http://www.eisfair.org/ |
| 10:47.29 | ``y7 | kamathln, i have no idea |
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| 10:47.59 | kamathln | ``y7: your failiure is specific to cli of iptables or general ? |
| 10:48.32 | ``y7 | using windows programs are self-explanitory for me..... with any linux programs, they aren't. i don't feel like i can click around and explore to learn. i feel like in linux, i have to read a manual to learn and even after i read it, i'm nowhere closer to knowing how to use a program... |
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| 10:48.49 | ``y7 | kamathln: i would say general :) |
| 10:49.05 | kamathln | ``y7: learn DOS first |
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| 10:49.54 | kamathln | it would be a good stepping stone ( i guess) |
| 10:50.26 | ``y7 | i need more than a stepping stone ;) |
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| 10:51.59 | kamathln | ``y7: have you realized what else you need ? |
| 10:52.07 | kamathln | ``y7: or are you just guessing ? |
| 10:52.12 | ``y7 | what do you mean, what else i need? |
| 10:52.55 | ``y7 | i don't know, i'm just guessing. i've managed to install and use bitchx, xchat and synergy. |
| 10:53.10 | ``y7 | that's about as far as i've gotten |
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| 10:53.44 | kamathln | And how did you do it? apt-get install bitchx ? |
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| 10:53.48 | ``y7 | YES |
| 10:53.49 | rchi | ``y7, install debian with a full desktop environment. Then learn how to remove things cleanly in command line |
| 10:53.55 | ``y7 | sorry for the caps |
| 10:54.12 | ``y7 | i have debian installed with a gui, is that what you mean rchi? |
| 10:54.20 | phet | Hello, can anyone point me a manual or doc or something to install a LAMP (php) in debian testing? |
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| 10:55.07 | guysoft42 | hey all, is it possible to use dpkb-buildpackage in fedora? |
| 10:55.14 | E-bola | Anybody here has any experience with HP NIC's and their drivers under debian? |
| 10:55.31 | kasimon | guysoft42: maybe with a debian chroot? |
| 10:55.59 | guysoft42 | kasimon, how would i do that? is there a simple way to do this? |
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| 10:56.55 | kasimon | guysoft42: do't know if you can run debootstrap on fedora, whith it you could install debian into a directory and chroot into that |
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| 10:58.26 | kasimon | is anybody here using dhcp3-server-ldap? |
| 10:58.34 | guysoft42 | kasimon, ok. let me see if i google on that |
| 10:59.06 | lax | ``y7: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/11/15/learnunixos.html |
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| 10:59.47 | ``y7 | lax, i understand why it's superior, i just can't figure it out. |
| 10:59.49 | kamathln | ``y7: http://www.quicktweaks.com/2008/10/01/power-of-wonderful-linux-terminal-10-challenges-for-windows-users/ |
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| 11:00.28 | davidisko | why there is no postfix-tls package in debian lenny? |
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| 11:01.41 | simonrvn | because it supports already |
| 11:01.50 | kasimon | davidisko: it wasn't in etch too. |
| 11:01.51 | kamathln | ``y7: http://www.quicktweaks.com/2008/10/01/power-of-wonderful-linux-terminal-10-challenges-for-windows-users/ |
| 11:01.55 | davidisko | thx |
| 11:01.58 | kamathln | ``y7: ok.. thats the last linx |
| 11:02.02 | kamathln | link* |
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| 11:02.18 | kamathln | whups |
| 11:02.23 | ``y7 | same one |
| 11:02.35 | kamathln | ``y7: yeah.. forgot to copy.. here it is http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/1135-guide-people-new-linux-command-line.html |
| 11:04.45 | kasimon | kamathln: Nice challenge article, although the sudo in #1 should at least be explained if not let out |
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| 11:06.37 | wols | davidisko: cause it's not needed |
| 11:07.09 | wols | the normal etch package does TLS just fine. same for lenny |
| 11:07.09 | kamathln | kasimon: Yeah. I was thinking of it too.. I just found it by googling.. report that to the author, if you can find him. |
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| 11:08.55 | hjb | Hi. I don't understand the following sentence from the bug tracking systems doc: |
| 11:09.10 | hjb | "Do not use the "reply to all recipients" or "followup" feature of your mailer unless you intend to edit down the recipients substantially. In particular, see that you don't send followup messages to submit@bugs.debian.org." |
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| 11:09.17 | hjb | Anyone here who can explain that? |
| 11:09.35 | hjb | It totally confused me while answering a bug report |
| 11:10.07 | hjb | "http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#followup" |
| 11:11.40 | Sherpya | hmm grub2 works, looks like lilo is the problem |
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| 11:12.27 | kasimon | hjb: you should not reply to everyone who got a Cc: of the bts mail you're replying to. |
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| 11:14.25 | hjb | kasimon the mail came from the maintainer of the package, not from the bts |
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| 11:14.51 | hjb | kasimon to whom should i answer now, exactly? The maintainer and the bts, or bts only? |
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| 11:18.13 | kasimon | hjb: if you reply to the bts, the maintainer will get it too (AFAIK). |
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| 11:19.11 | adnc | hello, if i wanted to copy all files named a? to a?.jpg how would i do this? i tried cp 9?/full9? /home/myimages/9?.jpg but this didnt work. could someone help me? |
| 11:19.13 | ArtVandalae | Hi all... where can I find more information on "bridging". Such as bridging arguments written in "/etc/interfaces"? |
| 11:20.03 | hjb | kasimon hmm, ok |
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| 11:20.46 | hjb | kasimon now i've answred to both bts and maintainer, hope the bts is clever enough to recognize that and don't send him the message a second time ;-) |
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| 11:21.26 | hjb | kasimon especially as he has used a different mail adress than his address as maintainer |
| 11:23.10 | asg | ArtVandalae: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/* |
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| 11:25.03 | asg | adnc: try 'rename(1)' or ask #bash |
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| 11:28.16 | davidisko | simonrvn kasimon wols and do you have got running postfix smtp+ssl (port 465) with default postfix package? cause i've got troubles with it.. |
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| 11:32.22 | heroxbd | H2S04: Are you still here? |
| 11:32.38 | kelvinq | Newbie here. I'm currently tracking "testing". Would like to ask, what happens what "testing" becomes frozen and a release is made. Would I be able to upgrade from the old "testing" to the new "testing" flawlessly? |
| 11:32.45 | miniteman | Im debating the merits of buying 8 gig of ram to go with a dual core 5600 or staying with 4 gig and getting a newer video card .. I want to run debian but I also want to play games |
| 11:32.47 | H2S04 | heroxbd, amusingly yes. |
| 11:33.04 | heroxbd | H2S04: I have set "Multi_key" but I have not succeeded in typing a German letter. |
| 11:33.14 | miniteman | with 8 gig ram I can upgrade later to a quad core .. |
| 11:33.28 | H2S04 | miniteman, you'd be better off buying a better videocard than buying more Ram |
| 11:33.55 | abrotman | kelvinq: you probably want to switch to tracking 'lenny' .. but yes, what you're suggesting is the idea |
| 11:33.59 | heroxbd | H2S04: When I am holding Multi_key then I press Shift + " , it just gives " |
| 11:34.01 | H2S04 | miniteman, and once again video games are more GPU bound the CPU bound. Your quad core will do fine for games. There are few games that utilize both cores. |
| 11:34.20 | abrotman | kelvinq: the period after the release can be a bit hectic |
| 11:34.43 | miniteman | H2SO4: thanks for the info |
| 11:34.48 | H2S04 | heroxbd, you have to type the letter next! :P The multi_key + " + a should give you ä |
| 11:34.49 | dqn | question: how can search something in nano? |
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| 11:34.58 | H2S04 | miniteman, my vote would be for a better video card. |
| 11:35.04 | kelvinq | abrotman: :( i was looking for a BSD-like solution whereby I can always track a version. is that possible in Debian? |
| 11:35.15 | js_ | dqn: ^W Where Is |
| 11:35.16 | kelvinq | abrotman: sorry for my lack of understanding. |
| 11:35.17 | abrotman | kelvinq: you can always track testing if you prefer |
| 11:35.22 | heroxbd | H2S04: It gives "a not ä |
| 11:35.27 | dqn | js_: thanks |
| 11:35.37 | kelvinq | abrotman: but, what happens between the releases. will things break? |
| 11:35.39 | asg | dqn: for future reference, ^G gives you help |
| 11:35.43 | H2S04 | then your something is not right. |
| 11:35.47 | H2S04 | are you sure it's set? |
| 11:36.02 | abrotman | kelvinq: you mean after lenny releases? and before squeeze freezes? |
| 11:36.04 | miniteman | H2SO4:I have around $200 us so I was looking at a 9600gt with change |
| 11:36.07 | abrotman | (squeeze is the next testing) |
| 11:36.19 | H2S04 | miniteman, I wouldn't get a 9600 |
| 11:36.21 | heroxbd | H2S04: I can see I am pressing Multi_key through xev. |
| 11:36.33 | kelvinq | abrotman: yup. what should a sysadm do to ensure that things stay sane. |
| 11:36.37 | H2S04 | miniteman, I'd stick to the 8000 series, there's no difference between the 8000's and the 9000's |
| 11:37.02 | H2S04 | heroxbd, and you should be able to get an 8800GT / GTS for around 160 - 200 including shipping |
| 11:37.02 | abrotman | kelvinq: well .. if it's a critical system, you shouldn't be tracking testing .. but in general, things can break though hopefully not too badly |
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| 11:37.05 | H2S04 | er miniteman |
| 11:37.23 | H2S04 | heroxbd, what WM you running? |
| 11:37.33 | heroxbd | H2S04: stumpwm |
| 11:37.34 | abrotman | kelvinq: assorted bad things can/do happen .. but i've only had to do rescue type stuff once .. |
| 11:37.42 | miniteman | H2SO4: I will have to have a look .. by memory the 8800s are a lot dearer .. |
| 11:37.53 | H2S04 | "dearer" ? |
| 11:37.55 | abrotman | kelvinq: and that was .. before etch IIRC |
| 11:38.01 | miniteman | more expensive |
| 11:38.11 | kasimon | davidisko: no sorry, no postfix here |
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| 11:38.21 | abrotman | kelvinq: but sure .. things do break .. |
| 11:38.24 | H2S04 | miniteman, the price should be similar basically if there is a 9800 and an 8800 get whatever is cheaper, they have the same GPU and all. |
| 11:38.34 | davidisko | is there anyone running postfix smtp+ssl (port 465) with default postfix package? cause i've got troubles with it.. |
| 11:38.38 | H2S04 | miniteman, only difference really is one has a 9 instead of an 8 :X |
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| 11:39.01 | abrotman | davidisko: there is a howto at postfix.org that tells you how IIRC |
| 11:39.05 | miniteman | H2SO4: thanks for the info again ..:p |
| 11:39.08 | H2S04 | miniteman, look on newegg, cards aren't that expensive, you can get a 9800 for 160 bucks I think. |
| 11:39.23 | Hanselmaus | er, anyone know why i cant seem to find the "mail" command in my xen dom (host is 64bit debian)? even "apt-get install mail" returns "E: Couldn't find package mail" (i did an apt-get update first) |
| 11:39.43 | davidisko | abrotman: i have same configuration on bsd.. and it works |
| 11:39.51 | heroxbd | Hanselmaus: mail-utils or like? |
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| 11:40.31 | kelvinq | abrotman: thanks for the insight. |
| 11:40.33 | Hanselmaus | heroxdb: aaaah, "mailutils" |
| 11:40.35 | Hanselmaus | doh! |
| 11:40.57 | Hanselmaus | i should think, then ask, not the other way around |
| 11:41.08 | bingo | pfote, wie kann ich das problem lösen? |
| 11:41.11 | abrotman | davidisko: errors are helpful |
| 11:41.16 | abrotman | bingo: #debian-de |
| 11:41.19 | heroxbd | Hanselmaus: no problem. |
| 11:41.21 | abrotman | erm .. #debian.de ? |
| 11:41.59 | H2S04 | Nein! |
| 11:42.08 | davidisko | abrotman: i got it fixed. there was no errors.. just missing smtps in master.cf |
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| 11:42.16 | abrotman | that'll do it! |
| 11:42.26 | davidisko | yea |
| 11:42.38 | asg | !do it |
| 11:42.38 | dpkg | does it |
| 11:42.40 | heroxbd | bingo: #debian-de, bitter? |
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| 11:44.47 | davidisko | abrotman: is there compiled-in dovecot sasl support in postfix package? |
| 11:45.10 | abrotman | i'm sure it supports it .. |
| 11:45.15 | abrotman | !depends dovecot sarge |
| 11:45.21 | abrotman | oh .. that's not going to help |
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| 11:45.45 | dpkg | dovecot: depends on dovecot-imapd, dovecot-pop3d |
| 11:46.08 | abrotman | davidisko: sasl authentication ? |
| 11:46.36 | EagleSn | !depends speedcrunch sid |
| 11:46.41 | dpkg | speedcrunch: does not depend on anything |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | davidisko: i don't see anything .. but you'd want to check the package readme |
| 11:47.21 | EagleSn | !depends speedcrunch lenny |
| 11:47.29 | heroxbd | H2S04: Should I press <Multi_key> " a simultaneously or sequentially? |
| 11:47.33 | abrotman | EagleSn: you can msg the bot |
| 11:47.46 | abrotman | EagleSn: or use packages.debian.org |
| 11:48.02 | EagleSn | okay |
| 11:48.08 | dpkg | speedcrunch: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.0), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) |
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| 11:50.07 | Traveler4 | hello. I was installing lenny (testing) from with the netinstall. But due to the network problems I was only able to install the base system. Is there any way to resume the setup? |
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| 11:50.52 | abrotman | Traveler4: it's done .. you just have to fix your networkign and then add an http apt source |
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| 11:51.34 | weiles | hi |
| 11:51.55 | Cholito | I installed moc (music on console), but when I exec 'man moc' i get a man for the Meta Object Compiler =/ |
| 11:52.01 | Traveler4 | abrotman: okay. But is there no way I can install a bundle of packages now instead of selecting them all manually? |
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| 11:52.17 | weiles | i've searched for a trunk debian package build service for kde4, but couldn't find one, does anybody know one? |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | Traveler4: define "bundle" |
| 11:52.26 | abrotman | !tell weiles about kde4 |
| 11:52.39 | Cholito | kind of weird isn't it? |
| 11:52.49 | heroxbd` | I was dropped offline, did anyone said anything to me? |
| 11:53.15 | Traveler4 | abrotman: Since my installer couldnt get the package list it only offered me the "Base" system but I assume there would have been a selection for "Server", "Client+KDE" or something like that if it could have fetched the package list from the apt source. |
| 11:53.31 | abrotman | Traveler4: you can run tasksel if you want .. but i wouldn't |
| 11:53.41 | abrotman | Traveler4: it's probably better to install the packages you want |
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| 11:53.56 | weiles | abrotman, i am looking for svn dev packages, don't know if this is related to kde4 in debian in general... |
| 11:54.13 | weiles | abrotman, i just don't want to build trunk every week myself but rather use a build service |
| 11:54.13 | abrotman | weiles: either ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 11:54.23 | abrotman | i'd start in #debian-kde |
| 11:54.23 | themill | Cholito: man 1 mocp ; moc is part of Qt/KDE |
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| 11:54.31 | Traveler4 | abrotman: Thank you. Yep it redirects me to aptitude. |
| 11:55.22 | Traveler4 | abrotman: Is there any chance you can give me "correct" the deb line for the /etc/apt/sources? US server with lenny "testing" |
| 11:55.36 | abrotman | Traveler4: geographic locale? |
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| 11:55.50 | abrotman | Traveler4: why not use the .ch server .. it's decently fast .. |
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| 11:56.16 | Traveler4 | abrotman: the server im trying to install it is in dallas |
| 11:56.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 11:56.29 | abrotman | i'm sorry to hear that |
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| 11:56.51 | abrotman | "deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian lenny main" .. etc |
| 11:57.02 | abrotman | !tell Traveler4 about sources.list |
| 11:57.05 | abrotman | !tell Traveler4 about mirrors |
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| 11:57.11 | Traveler4 | abrotman: Thanks. You are a great help ;-) |
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| 11:58.44 | tuxcrafter | does somebody knows how to get back space working when in a screen session? |
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| 11:58.49 | tuxcrafter | like screen -S vim vim |
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| 12:01.40 | jelly | tuxcrafter: it should work |
| 12:02.17 | jelly | tuxcrafter: if it doesn't, it's possible your $TERM variable wasn't set correctly when you started/reattached screen |
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| 12:02.41 | themill | or that you are running vim in vi compatibility mode |
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| 12:05.05 | tuxcrafter | jelly: i got the some problem with irssi |
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| 12:05.13 | tuxcrafter | i gcant backspace teyped text |
| 12:05.24 | jelly | tuxcrafter: does ctrl-h work? |
| 12:05.27 | themill | tuxcrafter: does ctrl+H work? |
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| 12:05.32 | jelly | !win me |
| 12:05.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 12:05.34 | themill | *snap* |
| 12:06.04 | tuxcrafter | themill: ctrl+h does noe |
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| 12:07.06 | tuxcrafter | themill: ctrl +h or ctrl +H both do nothing |
| 12:07.10 | tuxcrafter | the del key does work |
| 12:08.05 | Cholito | themill, thanks! =) |
| 12:08.13 | tuxcrafter | jelly: echo $TERM |
| 12:08.13 | tuxcrafter | screen |
| 12:08.27 | jelly | tuxcrafter: no, I mean outside of scren |
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| 12:09.04 | jelly | tuxcrafter: ie detach or suspend it, then show $TERM |
| 12:09.06 | tuxcrafter | jelly: echo $TERM |
| 12:09.06 | tuxcrafter | xterm |
| 12:09.18 | jelly | tuxcrafter: and... do you use real xterm? |
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| 12:09.45 | tuxcrafter | xfce4-terminal |
| 12:09.48 | ma3x | how do you calculate how many lines has a file? |
| 12:09.56 | asg | ma3x: wc -l <file> |
| 12:09.56 | kooll | ma3x: wc -l file |
| 12:09.59 | kooll | :) |
| 12:10.17 | jelly | tuxcrafter: so set TERM=xfce |
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| 12:10.28 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about grounding |
| 12:10.31 | jelly | tuxcrafter: then reattach the screen |
| 12:11.00 | EagleSn | is it possible to see a Windows remote desktop from a Debian desktop? |
| 12:11.07 | asg | EagleSn: install the rdesktop package |
| 12:11.17 | ma3x | thanks |
| 12:11.26 | tuxcrafter | jelly: hmm indeed with the real xterm the backspace worked |
| 12:11.39 | abrotman | !tell EagleSn about search |
| 12:11.46 | themill | EagleSn: there are quite a few rdesktop clients in debian. I use krdc. |
| 12:12.06 | jelly | tuxcrafter: Terminal may have configurable backspace key, too |
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| 12:12.59 | jelly | tuxcrafter: preferences -> advanced -> backspace key generates |
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| 12:13.31 | jelly | tuxcrafter: (try auto-detect or ASCII DEL) |
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| 12:14.22 | tuxcrafter | jelly: thanks!!!! |
| 12:14.41 | tuxcrafter | i taught it was a screen issue :-p |
| 12:15.13 | jelly | tuxcrafter: Terminal isn't really xterm compatible, and screen often makes things worse |
| 12:15.24 | tuxcrafter | now i need a speed tutorial mutt and imap with lots of folders to manage :-p |
| 12:15.34 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 12:15.34 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 12:15.46 | themill | !tutorials (bah.. beat me again, jelly) |
| 12:16.25 | Cholito | hehe, good answer thou |
| 12:16.27 | tuxcrafter | jelly: i read the documentation |
| 12:16.30 | tuxcrafter | dont worry |
| 12:16.36 | jelly | themill, I'm going back to work now, have fun ;-) |
| 12:16.43 | tuxcrafter | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:27.57 | henkpoley | Anybody know how to get php5-xsl working after installation ? |
| 12:28.07 | henkpoley | Yes, I have it enabled in php.ini :-) |
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| 12:29.05 | OpenTokix | henkpoley: restart apache? |
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| 12:30.03 | henkpoley | nope, I mean commandline php |
| 12:30.37 | henkpoley | so apache doesn't need to be restarted |
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| 12:30.47 | themill | henkpoley: do you have it enabled in the *right* php.ini? |
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| 12:31.01 | henkpoley | Well, if we change it wrong, php complains |
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| 12:31.07 | henkpoley | so it's the correct file |
| 12:31.17 | themill | huh? |
| 12:31.26 | heroxbd | The Compose key works within xev, but not xterm... |
| 12:31.31 | henkpoley | It's odd though that there are .dll reference in it |
| 12:31.45 | henkpoley | or is that normal on Debian (or php5) ? |
| 12:32.19 | asg | henkpoley: it's normal since the .ini is used on Windows machines as well |
| 12:32.28 | henkpoley | nice |
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| 12:33.01 | themill | henkpoley: installing the package should be all that is needed as it ships a config snippet: /etc/php5/conf.d/xsl.ini |
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| 12:33.16 | themill | henkpoley: you shouldn't even need to manually enable it |
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| 12:34.50 | henkpoley | hmm, do you per chance know if php5 has multiple xsl(t) extensions ? |
| 12:35.19 | henkpoley | The third party software (Symfony project) keeps complaining about missing XSLT |
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| 12:38.15 | tralala | is pyprocessing available in lenny? |
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| 12:39.27 | themill | henkpoley: you are using php5 not php4 for it, aren't you? |
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| 12:39.53 | henkpoley | afaik we use php5 |
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| 12:40.07 | themill | henkpoley: i.e. /usr/bin/php is pointing to php5 not php4 |
| 12:40.56 | jelly | !tell tralala about search |
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| 12:41.38 | henkpoley | which php -> /usr/loca/bin/php |
| 12:42.00 | themill | henkpoley: ahh... that's not even a debian php then... |
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| 12:42.10 | jelly | tralala: looking it up with separate python and processing keywords seems like a reasonable thing to do if you can't find with pyprocessing |
| 12:42.38 | henkpoley | which is a binary |
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| 12:44.22 | themill | henkpoley: you seem to have some strange combination of a locally installed php, debian php modules and who knows what php configuration. Until you sort that out, you're going to be beating your head against a brick wall with this. Your locally compiled php won't like the debian php modules -- it probably won't know where to find them and the are unlikely to be binary-compatible. |
| 12:44.59 | henkpoley | I remember the server manager is a 'compiler guy' |
| 12:45.13 | henkpoley | It is indeed a self compiled php5 |
| 12:45.20 | henkpoley | Thanks for reminding |
| 12:45.27 | themill | henkpoley: good luck with that.... |
| 12:47.05 | henkpoley | Ah compiling php is not that much of a problem |
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| 12:47.39 | petemc | not running into problems further down the road with the packaging system is where you gert the problems |
| 12:47.46 | henkpoley | anyways, we will ask our admin. and use the XML format with Symfony, that should remove the XSLT dependency |
| 12:47.48 | petemc | hmm, thats not right |
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| 12:49.49 | themill | henkpoley: keeping up with security fixes to php is not something that I would want to do. Having php just an aptitude upgrade away seems much more sensible, and there's not really anything to be gained by compiling it yourself. |
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| 12:51.17 | jelly | themill: there's a few annoyances with Debian's build, enough to make it unusable in a mixed hosting environment |
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| 12:52.00 | Symbi0nt | where are apache configurations hide on debian? |
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| 12:52.05 | Symbi0nt | httpd.conf is all empty |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | /etc/apache2/ |
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| 12:52.26 | abrotman | or /etc/apache/ if you're using apache1 |
| 12:52.29 | henkpoley | themill: my idea |
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| 12:53.29 | henkpoley | Ah, apparently directadmin compiled it |
| 12:53.31 | henkpoley | joy |
| 12:54.00 | wols | Symbi0nt: under debian httpd.conf is always empty |
| 12:54.21 | Symbi0nt | yeah found the apache2.conf which is ok and filled :> |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: there's also mods-available and sites-available |
| 12:55.10 | Symbi0nt | yupp got it.. thanks guys |
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| 12:55.28 | Symbi0nt | (try to enable gzip for apache2) |
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| 12:55.37 | jelly | Symbi0nt: you might want to read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:56.06 | jelly | Symbi0nt: use a2enmod / a2dismod to manage modules |
| 12:56.07 | bolt-work | moo |
| 12:56.23 | themill | jelly: really? I've never come across them in anything I do, and the best plan would of course to be to rebuild the debian package rather than compile from scratch. |
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| 12:58.34 | Symbi0nt | jelly: I do use this. aptitude install libapache-mod-gzip was fine, but in the mods-available folder there is no "gzip" |
| 12:58.37 | jelly | themill: eg. Debian uses packaged libgd, but php source comes with a patched version, providing extra functions in its api |
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| 12:58.42 | Symbi0nt | deflate is there, but no gzip |
| 12:58.57 | jelly | Symbi0nt: deflate _is_ gzip afaik |
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| 12:59.16 | Symbi0nt | hmm sure? |
| 12:59.21 | jelly | no |
| 12:59.24 | Symbi0nt | ;] |
| 12:59.55 | jelly | Symbi0nt: I won't take the pleasure of reading the docs from you |
| 13:00.06 | Symbi0nt | yes yes ... |
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| 13:02.30 | Symbi0nt | someone a ruff idea how to check from the user side if a server has send a deflated website? |
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| 13:03.13 | Shane|zh_CN | Symbi0nt: http header? |
| 13:03.30 | Shane|zh_CN | Symbi0nt: which url? |
| 13:03.51 | Symbi0nt | hmmm ... |
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| 13:04.10 | Symbi0nt | I need live header plugin for firefox i think |
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| 13:04.34 | aronofsky | hi, I got a silly qesution but anyone answer on @iptables, I try to redirect all the outgoing request on tcp/80 of my local machine ti <IP>:80 ... i tried that : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP>:80 ... but it seems its not doing the job, is it wrong ? |
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| 13:05.19 | Symbi0nt | ha! |
| 13:05.21 | Symbi0nt | Vary: Accept-Encoding |
| 13:05.21 | Symbi0nt | Content-Encoding: gzip |
| 13:05.24 | Symbi0nt | looks okay :> |
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| 13:06.38 | asg | aronofsky: did you enable ip forwarding? |
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| 13:07.37 | aronofsky | asg: yep |
| 13:08.07 | aronofsky | asg, nothing goes through the rule : 0 0 DNAT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www to:10.11.90.188:80 |
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| 13:10.13 | asg | aronofsky: does it work if you connect to that machine from another local machine? |
| 13:11.08 | aronofsky | asg, yes , i can even telnet it from my machine, the NAT just doesn't seem to be effecient |
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| 13:11.55 | aronofsky | i dont get why, the rules seems ok to me |
| 13:12.53 | asg | aronofsky: It may be possible that PREROUTING doesn't work for locally generated traffic but I'm not sure offhand. I'd wait for the #iptables folks to respond |
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| 13:19.45 | ArtVandalae | Hi all. For a user's personal set of cronjobs, I assume they're executed as that user? |
| 13:20.01 | asg | that is correct |
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| 13:23.22 | wols | ArtVandalae: check a transparent proxy howto |
| 13:23.53 | ArtVandalae | Hm... I'm trying to run a Xvnc (fake X server) as a user on startup as a user. I've tested the command; tightvncserver :1. It work's just fine on the console. I enter that into the user's crontab (@reboot tightvncserver :1), and no such luck. I've checked the logs, there doesn't seem to be any errors |
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| 13:24.42 | Asymmetry | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.16 | ArtVandalae | Asymmetry, it's possible. Although I can't think of anything. Can you suggest a solution for something like that? |
| 13:25.59 | Asymmetry | ArtVandalae, is it possible to throw some kind of verbose switch into the cron table, to show debug spam? Maybe increase the level of logging information? |
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| 13:26.41 | Mohammad[B] | hi all |
| 13:27.06 | Mohammad[B] | how to i can using EDGE in Linux (Ubuntu) with Nokia 3250 ? |
| 13:27.11 | Mohammad[B] | please help me |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | Mohammad[B]: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | or ##linux |
| 13:27.25 | Mohammad[B] | oops ! |
| 13:27.49 | Mohammad[B] | in this channel not any body for help me abrotman ?! |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | not if you're using ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 13:28.08 | Mohammad[B] | 2 ops, 847 users |
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| 13:28.25 | Mohammad[B] | abrotman, so i using of Debian |
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| 13:28.27 | abrotman | and what? ask #ubuntu .. Ubuntu is offtopic in #debian |
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| 13:28.47 | abrotman | Mohammad[B]: Ubuntu is offtopic here, ask #ubuntu or ##linux .. you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 13:31.50 | mmlj4 | it cracks me up that smarter people lurk here, and when the other channel fails to answer a question, we flame the guy for asking the experts here |
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| 13:32.23 | abrotman | mmlj4: this channel is not to support every user out there .. |
| 13:32.34 | mmlj4 | i'm not claiming that |
| 13:32.41 | mmlj4 | just making an observation |
| 13:32.44 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 13:32.45 | abrotman | so why is it surprising? |
| 13:32.48 | jeffrin | i have a doubt |
| 13:32.57 | asg | mmlj4: if smart people wanted to help with ubuntu, they would be in #ubuntu providing that support. |
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| 13:33.10 | jeffrin | i usually mount a partion separate after boot |
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| 13:33.23 | abrotman | asg: mmlj4 or ##linux |
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| 13:33.51 | asg | it was even worse when Knoppix dumped people in here by default |
| 13:33.55 | montezume | Hi. I want to use lighttpd mem-cache mod, but when I start lighttpd I can only see unknown option. Do I really have to compile lighttpd on my own, or there is a package? |
| 13:33.56 | mmlj4 | heh |
| 13:34.12 | henkpoley | yay, I now have php5 + xsl(t) with my directadmin server |
| 13:34.22 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 13:34.39 | mmlj4 | jeffrin: finish your question, please |
| 13:34.40 | jeffrin | when i type ./call it say no such file or directory |
| 13:34.54 | jelly | mmlj4: ubuntu is sufficiently different that the correct way to do something in Debian might (subtly) mess up their settings |
| 13:35.15 | mmlj4 | jelly: understandable |
| 13:35.16 | jeffrin | but actually there is a binary called "call" |
| 13:35.34 | mmlj4 | jeffrin: you're root? |
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| 13:35.39 | jeffrin | yes |
| 13:35.43 | mmlj4 | ah, never mind |
| 13:35.54 | hjb | what's "gnome-volume-manager-gthumb %h" doing? |
| 13:36.10 | mmlj4 | if you dotslash it, path is irrelevant, so never mind |
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| 13:36.47 | jeffrin | yes |
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| 13:37.07 | stew | jeffrin: what kind of file does "file ./call" say it is? |
| 13:37.38 | mmlj4 | also, ls -lah | grep call |
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| 13:38.46 | UdontKnow | hello |
| 13:38.58 | stew | UdontKnow: hi |
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| 13:39.35 | jeffrin | call: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
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| 13:39.57 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:40.17 | UdontKnow | I wish to start daemons through my own "rc" system instead of debian's. Is there a way I can disable a daemon on rc in a way that upgrading it wont reenable rc? |
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| 13:40.31 | jeffrin | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jeffrin jeffrin 13M 2008-05-02 13:10 call |
| 13:40.36 | gypsymauro | I've in my sources.list both sid and lenny, there is a way to know which installed packages are from sid and wich are from lenny? |
| 13:41.12 | mmlj4 | fair enough... what does file say? |
| 13:41.26 | mmlj4 | er, you pasted that already |
| 13:41.32 | jeffrin | i have already show that |
| 13:41.37 | stew | UdontKnow: you can rename the S link to a K link (this one of the documented ways in update-rc.d), or there is a "policy-rc.d" but i don't remember where policy-rc.d is documented |
| 13:41.38 | mmlj4 | yes, i see |
| 13:42.16 | stew | UdontKnow: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
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| 13:43.15 | UdontKnow | stew: thanks |
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| 13:46.24 | jeffrin | mmlj4 : will there be any problem if it is a 64 bit os and 32 bit app |
| 13:46.36 | abrotman | ye |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | s |
| 13:46.45 | UdontKnow | stew: I dont think I have that installed, and the doc is a bit vague... any pointers to how I enable policy processing and specify what isnt allowed? |
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| 13:47.15 | stew | UdontKnow: you don't have sysv-rc installed? or which did you mean? |
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| 13:47.47 | UdontKnow | stew: the policy stuff |
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| 13:48.21 | wols | jeffrin: often yes since libraries the 32bit app depends on must be 32bit too |
| 13:48.49 | heroxbd | Hello everybody. Do you remember the X11 Compose problem I've met? Now I got some progress. If i type "sudo xterm" then Compose works. If "xterm" it doesn't work. |
| 13:49.15 | stew | UdontKnow: oh, you mean you don't have /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d? there isn't one by default. you could create one though |
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| 13:49.27 | UdontKnow | stew: I just installed policyrcd-script-zg2, now need to understand it |
| 13:50.06 | heroxbd | What is the environmental difference between them? |
| 13:50.38 | stew | UdontKnow: oh, i didn't know about this package. I only recently discovered policy-rc.d when i saw that it is how things like pbuilder / cowbuilder keep the chroots from trying to start init scripts when installing packages |
| 13:50.50 | UdontKnow | WOW. that package is wonderful. the TODO says: -man page - real-code -alternatives |
| 13:50.55 | UdontKnow | so, it doenst work. |
| 13:51.06 | UdontKnow | stew: any realworld example I should find? |
| 13:51.12 | stew | UdontKnow: one sec |
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| 13:52.30 | MrWax | hi, i'm using an exim mailserver, and I wish to forward all mail that goes to a certain address, to the info address; any idea how I can do this best? |
| 13:52.43 | stew | UdontKnow: this: http://paste.debian.net/19137 is what pbuilder uses in /usr/sbin/policy to prevent all but a couple of init scripts from starting |
| 13:52.46 | petemc | MrWax: /etc/aliases |
| 13:53.05 | MrWax | petemc: what should I do there? |
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| 13:53.33 | petemc | MrWax: its not complicated |
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| 13:54.49 | UdontKnow | stew: thanks |
| 13:55.53 | stew | UdontKnow: uhh, that should have been 'uses in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d' not /usr/sbin/policy |
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| 14:02.12 | dqn | question: I want to pull a string directly from mysql in bash so I can do something like echo $( string-from-mysql ), any tips on how to do it? |
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| 14:06.52 | rjd | no mod_security in etch? (got main, contrib, non-free) |
| 14:07.41 | drbair_work | rjd: I think it comes with the main apache package, no? |
| 14:07.49 | UdontKnow | stew: got it working, thanks man :) |
| 14:07.54 | asg | dqn: echo 'select <whatever> from <wherever> where <something> ...' | mysql <database> |
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| 14:08.10 | rjd | drbair_work: ah, let me check |
| 14:08.12 | corp | when using pbuilder to build a package, it hangs when trying to install html2text |
| 14:08.29 | dqn | asg: won't it ask me for password every time? |
| 14:08.32 | stew | UdontKnow: cool. your welcome |
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| 14:09.05 | stew | you're* (jeez) |
| 14:09.40 | rjd | drbair_work: hm, cant see nothing in mods-available |
| 14:10.02 | Fiskah | How can I with the "ftp" command put a whole local directory onto a remote server? |
| 14:10.07 | Fiskah | "put" won't accept a directory |
| 14:10.13 | asg | dqn: yes, unless you create another user without a password that has very restricted access or encode the password with --password='foo'. Neither way is particularly appealing but there you go. |
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| 14:10.52 | asg | Fiskah: you might try 'mput' |
| 14:11.11 | asg | Fiskah: nevermind, that won't work according to the manpage |
| 14:11.26 | asg | Fiskah: the manpage suggests using tar(1) and putting that file |
| 14:11.57 | drbair_work | rjd: looks like it was pulled due to licensing issues |
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| 14:12.20 | unfo | !info webmin |
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| 14:12.26 | rjd | I see, I found this to assist me: http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_mod_security_debian_etch |
| 14:12.29 | rjd | Thanks drbair_work |
| 14:12.52 | stew | rjd: mod_security was removed from debian becuase the license makes it not legally distributed in compiled form |
| 14:12.54 | awk | hmm, what command to view a app in a package, eg: I ned to get package info for net-snmp-config |
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| 14:13.09 | stew | ^distributed^distributable |
| 14:13.15 | Fiskah | asg: Thanks.... I think I will find another way then :) |
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| 14:13.47 | petemc | Fiskah: use a client that supports recursion, like ncftp |
| 14:13.56 | dqn | asg: I see, tanks |
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| 14:15.54 | asg | dqn: oh, one other thing, you could encode the credential in .my.cnf for your user or whomever is running the script instead of encoding it. |
| 14:16.28 | dqn | oh ok |
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| 14:20.07 | Hanselmaus | anyone know why when I try to browse a particular machine from one server with fusesmb, I simply get "ls: reading directory /root/Network/WORKGROUP/SERVER1/BackupDrive/: Input/output error" while on 2 other servers it works just fine? |
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| 14:24.11 | grendal_prime | i have a sort of meta package(it does a couple of things really) But one of the major things it does is call for an upgraded kernel (well at least a kernel that is newer than the one already installed on these boxes) The problem is, if they uninstall the package it wants to uninstall the kernel as well. |
| 14:24.38 | enouf | so, upgrade the kernel ;-) |
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| 14:25.08 | enouf | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg hold (maybe) |
| 14:25.13 | grendal_prime | ive seen other meta packages that do this and when you remove them they do not remove all the dependent packages. |
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| 14:26.01 | enouf | aptitude is better at that (atleast prior to lenny/sid's apt) - also, if needed, then use debfoster/deborphan to clean it up |
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| 14:28.07 | enouf | Hanselmaus: usually i/o errors are something wrong at the physical layer, but, might it be a network/firewalling issue? |
| 14:28.18 | riot | can i check deb-signatures _after_ i've installed the debs? they're still in /var/cache.. |
| 14:28.31 | asg | riot: debsums |
| 14:28.39 | enouf | Hanselmaus: does the same occur in say another dir on that same mount/share? |
| 14:29.01 | riot | asg: you mean debsigs? |
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| 14:29.15 | riot | asg: aah, no, ok, just saw it. Thanks! |
| 14:29.20 | Hanselmaus | enouf: I cant imagine it being a firewall issue, there is no firewall in between. Let me check about the directory. |
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| 14:29.44 | ipstatic | anyone here know if there is any plans to patch the openssl server to allow for public keys to be stored in LDAP? |
| 14:29.50 | asg | riot: that will check sums for files in debs. I'm not sure, though, if you can check the package signature (if that's what you meant in your original question) |
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| 14:29.53 | riot | duh. Why didn't i notice debsums earlier.. I was always just relying on debsigs.. |
| 14:29.56 | enouf | wonders if fuse has a CIFS equiv to smbfs |
| 14:30.11 | braunkraut | is it just me or is pypanel broken in lenny? |
| 14:30.17 | riot | asg: according to the dpkg-configuration it just told me, it does exactly what i want :) |
| 14:30.23 | riot | asg: i'm securing my new vserver |
| 14:30.36 | jelly | enouf: that was one of the first fs-es done, I think there was even a lufs port |
| 14:30.44 | riot | aaah, wonderful tool :D |
| 14:30.46 | asg | riot: ah, glad to hear it |
| 14:30.49 | Hanselmaus | enouf: Yes,s till problems. Basically, i can touch, mkdir, from the share. I can even cat files, if I know the filename, but I cannot browser the share or any directories under it (on that machine, that is. from other servers and my workstation, its fine) |
| 14:31.31 | jelly | enouf: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems |
| 14:31.49 | riot | asg: uh oh, there are some packages (base-packages!!!) with missing md5sums :/ |
| 14:31.50 | enouf | Hanselmaus: something (slightly) different in the mount options from that 1 particular server that's having an issue? |
| 14:31.53 | yopyop | hey, im trying to build aufs module from cvs and backports, im running a 2.6.26 from backports. with modules assistant, i cant build the module, got lot of error, from cvs, building did fine, but i got : insmod: error inserting 'aufs.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module. when im trying to load it. any clue ? |
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| 14:32.11 | enouf | jelly: gotcha, thanks |
| 14:34.01 | Hanselmaus | enouf: i wouldnt know where to look. I mounted it manually with "fusesmb ~/Network" and have a minimalistic fusesmb.conf |
| 14:34.24 | themill | jelly: heh... libgd in php is a fiasco. That the PHP people have effectively forked it and seem to prefer to keep an internal copy of it rather than contributing their changes upstream speaks volumes for why php is such a mess. The less said about php and libgd the better. |
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| 14:35.16 | enouf | Hanselmaus: well, double check all that - compare output of cat /proc/mounts ; /etc/mtab (and all other *tab files in /etc) ; 'mount' ; df |
| 14:35.17 | Hanselmaus | enouf: The only think i can imagine is that the version i have might be different than the other servers (bad server: 0.8.7-1 --- good server: 0.8.5-1+b2 ) |
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| 14:36.45 | enouf | Hanselmaus: maybe even compare cat /proc/filesystems - but hrm, is there a similar view/info to like when using NFS's exportfs/showmount, etc for FUSE? hrm, dunno |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | themill: users are stubborn in that they expect things to work more than they want them to be "clean", though |
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| 14:37.40 | themill | jelly: hassle like that, aren't they |
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| 14:37.53 | wols | jelly: using a normal libgs is "clean", internal forks aren't |
| 14:37.58 | aliases123 | jelly: i thought it worked cuz its clean. |
| 14:38.42 | enouf | yopyop: why don't you use a debian aufs source pkg? |
| 14:39.07 | Hanselmaus | enouf: I think the new version sets things up differently. Maybe is buggy: http://pastebin.com/d53a816fe |
| 14:39.08 | enouf | yopyop: otherwise, running depmod -a might help |
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| 14:39.31 | jelly | wols: that's what the debian php maintainer team seems to think too |
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| 14:40.00 | enouf | yopyop: also, is your module in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra ? |
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| 14:41.27 | jelly | aliases123: looking from the distro side, having a second copy of gd just for php is ugly. Looking from the users' side, they want their gd API in php to be compliant. Debian's build breaks the api. |
| 14:41.30 | enouf | yopyop: (at worst - could be you compiled the module with a different gcc version than the kernel was made with) at best, there's some System.map issue going on (AFAICT) |
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| 14:41.52 | enouf | s/version/version or options(?) |
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| 14:42.24 | Zitter | hi, in which package is "mail" command? |
| 14:42.27 | aliases123 | jelly: a second copy might be more secure and better. |
| 14:42.41 | asg | Zitter: mailx |
| 14:43.10 | Zitter | wonderful, thanks asg |
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| 14:43.33 | asg | Zitter: for future reference, the 'apt-file' package will allow you to search for files in packages not currently installed on your system. |
| 14:43.49 | jelly | aliases123: How so? Security is exactly a reason against having multiple copies of a package. See the zlib security bug handling. |
| 14:43.51 | enouf | Hanselmaus: are you missing the fuse-utils pkg on the bad/funky server? |
| 14:44.23 | Hanselmaus | enouf: nope... |
| 14:44.23 | enouf | Hanselmaus: dpkg -l \*fuse\* | grep ^.i on each to compare |
| 14:44.25 | Hanselmaus | :\ |
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| 14:44.47 | enouf | Hanselmaus: well, find out where fusectl comes from? |
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| 14:45.00 | enouf | oh .. heh - that's the bad one :-P |
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| 14:45.17 | enouf | upgrade to newer pkg as you mentioned? |
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| 14:45.42 | Hanselmaus | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d4f0c010f |
| 14:45.48 | Hanselmaus | the new packages seem to be the bad ones |
| 14:45.57 | enouf | :-{ |
| 14:46.04 | Hanselmaus | im considering removing them and grabbing the debs from the good server, which has a slightly older version |
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| 14:46.21 | aliases123 | jelly: no no i mean. if there is to a be php specific instance of binrary / file. so be it. anywhere else thats not a good idea. |
| 14:46.37 | aliases123 | as in keep it simple. ... don't break things if it is possible not to ... |
| 14:46.48 | enouf | Hanselmaus: sure - just be sure what the dependencies are prior ;-) |
| 14:46.53 | Hanselmaus | hehe |
| 14:47.03 | Hanselmaus | ya, i'm checking it in aptitude right now ;) |
| 14:47.09 | enouf | Hanselmaus: and be careful - if a newer libc6 is a depends, watchout! :-P |
| 14:47.24 | enouf | s/newer/older, whatever |
| 14:47.30 | Hanselmaus | arrrr... that could be a problem |
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| 14:47.57 | enouf | Hanselmaus: well, is the bad server running lenny? and the others etch? |
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| 14:48.22 | enouf | judd: versions fusesmb |
| 14:48.23 | judd | enouf: fusesmb: 0.8.5-1+b2 (etch) 0.8.7-1 (lenny) 0.8.7-1 (sid) |
| 14:48.25 | jelly | aliases123: that's my opinion too, in this particular case the builtin library compromise seems to be a lesser evil. Now go and persuade the maintainers to make it so ;-) |
| 14:48.28 | Hanselmaus | enouf: erm, kinda a mix between both |
| 14:48.38 | enouf | bingo |
| 14:48.47 | enouf | Hanselmaus: checked the BTS? |
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| 14:48.58 | aliases123 | files a bug. |
| 14:49.01 | Hanselmaus | enouf: reason being that etch doesn't have proper packages for some apache mod that logs to mysql instead |
| 14:49.09 | aliases123 | jelly: what package ? |
| 14:49.10 | Leafwiz | Greetings.. My server is very sluggish. This is due to the wa queue taking 80% cpu time. I am running some I/O over an USB 2.0 Disk. Is there a way to lower the wa time? I feel there are some buggs in the USB module or something. |
| 14:49.19 | jelly | aliases123: php5! |
| 14:49.31 | aliases123 | :) goodie |
| 14:49.38 | Hanselmaus | enouf: i have to admit, i haven't sorry |
| 14:49.57 | enouf | one step at a time ;-) |
| 14:50.00 | aliases123 | jelly: and the the file not being included again ? is |
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| 14:50.06 | Hanselmaus | ^_^ |
| 14:50.13 | Hanselmaus | brb |
| 14:50.14 | enouf | this is how tshooting works - so long as you make progress :-P |
| 14:50.21 | aliases123 | libgb ? |
| 14:50.28 | jelly | aliases123: we were discussing the gd extension, didn't we |
| 14:50.43 | aliases123 | jelly: wanted to double check ^^ |
| 14:50.45 | jelly | aliases123: php tarball comes with a copy of gd, and it's not used in debian |
| 14:50.48 | yopyop | enouf: my error from cvs version comes from a non export function in kernel which is fix in 2.6.27 |
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| 14:51.22 | jelly | aliases123: check the bts, there ought to be a relevant bug or two |
| 14:51.24 | enouf | yopyop: i asked why not use debian pkd source for aufs |
| 14:51.34 | enouf | yopyop: why use cvs versions? |
| 14:52.22 | Hanselmaus | enouf: I'd be happy to file a bug report, if it were that I could actually trap the problem. fusesmb can browse other smb servers, it was just that particular one i couldn't. not sure if fusesmb has any debugging or logging that i can submit |
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| 14:53.11 | aliases123 | Hanselmaus: open wireshark and try a smbtree / use fusesmb. |
| 14:53.18 | enouf | Hanselmaus: me neither offhand :-/ check the docs - see /usr/share/doc/fuse* ? dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc , hit the manpages |
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| 14:53.34 | jelly | aliases123: #321237 |
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| 14:53.58 | aliases123 | ok thank you. i will close mine then. |
| 14:54.05 | yopyop | enouf: cause when i started to use aufs, there were no debian pkg. but now im trying to build it with module-assistant with no good result, i got error on the first file he is trying to compile, kpath seams to be fine |
| 14:54.24 | enouf | or that - find the logs though Hanselmaus - check netstat -tunap and lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' for possible other running services that might be interfering? |
| 14:54.54 | enouf | Hanselmaus: maybe avahi-daemon crap or sunrpc .. who knows - i can't say at all |
| 14:55.55 | enouf | yopyop: which arch is that? and you're on Etch using the .26 backported kernel? |
| 14:56.44 | enouf | Hanselmaus: you could also maybe strace the actual mount process |
| 14:56.55 | jelly | aliases123: I guess, since it means an api breakage and several php apps cannot work, it could deserve a priority higher than wishlist, I just never bothered to push the issue with Debian |
| 14:57.08 | enouf | Hanselmaus: maybe there's a -v -v -v option like with ssh |
| 14:57.22 | enouf | Hanselmaus: (for verbosity) |
| 14:58.27 | enouf | yopyop: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-patch-aufs applicable? |
| 14:58.32 | AbsintheSyringe | hm |
| 14:58.56 | AbsintheSyringe | however I set it to look like, once I close it, and open it again gnomebaker doesn't restore its previous state |
| 14:58.59 | AbsintheSyringe | any ideas? |
| 14:59.08 | AbsintheSyringe | 0.6.4, lenny |
| 14:59.20 | enouf | what? |
| 14:59.34 | enouf | oh |
| 14:59.43 | enouf | isn't that a WM issue? |
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| 15:00.05 | enouf | the WM (or the DE aspect) needs to save your settings, no? |
| 15:00.15 | AbsintheSyringe | enouf, have no idea ... |
| 15:00.23 | enouf | which DE? |
| 15:00.28 | AbsintheSyringe | yes it saves settings for everything else expecpt gnome baker |
| 15:00.28 | AbsintheSyringe | gnome |
| 15:00.30 | enouf | which WM? |
| 15:00.53 | enouf | oh - check BTS then, or something .. hrm - i never used gnomebaker |
| 15:01.00 | AbsintheSyringe | metacity, but also I have compiz set up + murrine if that helps ... |
| 15:01.14 | enouf | might be a compiz issue? dunno |
| 15:01.18 | AbsintheSyringe | enouf, I'd use brasero, I love it, but some of it's bugs are too weird |
| 15:01.28 | AbsintheSyringe | I'll just check with bts |
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| 15:01.37 | yopyop | enouf : yes, im running etch with 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 |
| 15:01.53 | kaeles | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.57 | yopyop | enouf: the patch does not correct my problem |
| 15:02.00 | kaeles | uh |
| 15:02.08 | yopyop | thanks fo the pass kaeles ;) |
| 15:02.11 | kaeles | shit |
| 15:02.12 | kaeles | :D |
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| 15:02.51 | enouf | yopyop: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/aufs-source isn't good enough to use to build with? |
| 15:02.58 | kaeles | fsck |
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| 15:03.07 | kaeles | how do you change the pass? |
| 15:03.12 | yopyop | enouf : i use this one |
| 15:03.17 | yopyop | module assistant use it |
| 15:03.22 | enouf | kaeles: you're using a nick as a pass :-P |
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| 15:03.31 | enouf | well, minus the leading \ |
| 15:03.35 | kaeles | nvm found it |
| 15:03.48 | enouf | yopyop: you said cvs source. no? |
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| 15:04.14 | yopyop | i tried with both, first cvs source, as i use to do. then module-assistant |
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| 15:04.42 | _coredump_ | tach auch |
| 15:04.52 | enouf | yopyop: module-assistant build fails using both cvs source and debian source? |
| 15:05.09 | magellanino | where do i found a complete guide for the unix or linux command?? |
| 15:05.23 | Hanselmaus | sorry enouf, was afk for a moment, will read your messages in a sec |
| 15:05.28 | kaeles | ok anyhow |
| 15:05.36 | asg | magellanino: man <cmd> |
| 15:05.41 | enouf | magellanino: start at linuxcommand.com, then tldp.org, etc |
| 15:05.47 | yopyop | i only use module assistant with debian source |
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| 15:06.07 | enouf | Hanselmaus: i'm in no hurry - and really have nothing else to offer ;-) |
| 15:06.34 | magellanino | thanks for the links enouf ;) |
| 15:06.43 | enouf | yopyop: so, show us full command + all the errors (not that i can fix it ;-)) |
| 15:06.45 | magellanino | thanks also for asq |
| 15:06.55 | enouf | s/q/g :-P |
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| 15:07.08 | hramrach | Hello |
| 15:07.24 | hramrach | Where goes the License fiels from the package sources? |
| 15:07.43 | enouf | magellanino: for system programming you'd want to also install the manpages-dev pkg, but maybe that's not yet for you ;-) |
| 15:07.44 | hramrach | Nor apt-cache nor aptitude display it |
| 15:07.58 | stew | hramrach: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright |
| 15:08.06 | wols | hramrach: same place like the sources itself. in your . |
| 15:08.17 | asg | enouf: at least I wasn't called 'ass' |
| 15:08.17 | hramrach | but I would have to install them !! |
| 15:08.26 | stew | hramrach: or you can view the copyright file at http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 15:08.48 | enouf | asg: haha - i love my /modass dir :-p |
| 15:08.59 | Hanselmaus | enouf: haha, well, you have been very helpful none the less, cheers :) |
| 15:09.47 | hramrach | hmm, so the field in the packge control file is pretty much useless |
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| 15:10.06 | hramrach | ty anyway |
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| 15:10.08 | stew | hramrach: which field? |
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| 15:10.13 | hramrach | License |
| 15:10.18 | stew | hramrach: there is no such field |
| 15:10.20 | hramrach | or somesuch. |
| 15:10.37 | stew | nosuch |
| 15:10.49 | enouf | nunchucks? |
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| 15:11.13 | klync | oh, hey... congrats to the team on launching 4.0r4a! |
| 15:11.33 | asg | that happened ages ago :) |
| 15:11.40 | klync | just saw it now... |
| 15:12.03 | hramrach | oh, so it was in a different packaging format |
| 15:12.07 | klync | i'm looking for info on getting my screwy wlan card working with wpa - is there a definitive doc on wireless with etch? i've been googling |
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| 15:12.26 | bbto | Hi, i installed debian and then xfce but running startx, mouse do not work. any help? |
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| 15:12.46 | enouf | bbto: startxfce ? |
| 15:12.58 | bbto | yes |
| 15:12.59 | asg | klync: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant is probably a good place to start. |
| 15:13.03 | enouf | though mouse not working? hrm |
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| 15:13.59 | klync | asg: thx... another question - i hand-compiled a driver, but when i plug in my usb wlan adapter, the old one gets loaded along with the new one. i think this is messing things up. how can i prevent that? hotplug blacklist? |
| 15:14.11 | asg | klync: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:14.36 | klync | thx again :) |
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| 15:15.20 | enouf | bbto: cat /dev/input/mice ... move the mouse around .. see any funky chars printed to screen? |
| 15:15.33 | enouf | bbto: use CTRL+c to stop it |
| 15:16.04 | hramrach | ok, thanks |
| 15:16.09 | hramrach | off tot he web |
| 15:16.35 | bbto | enouf: no chars |
| 15:16.42 | enouf | bbto: what kind of mouse? ps2 ? pastebin output of cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 15:16.49 | dqn | question - can I install a debian distro on a / while another distro is still running (ubuntu)? |
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| 15:17.17 | bbto | its an old serial one . genius |
| 15:17.27 | asg | dqn: you can install one in a chroot. It really depends on what your long term goal is. |
| 15:17.37 | bbto | enouf: but it works fine |
| 15:17.39 | aliases123 | dqn: no you have to move it out of the way.... eventually. |
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| 15:18.01 | aliases123 | (if you want that to be the primary os). |
| 15:18.03 | enouf | bbto: might need to use gpmdata? or install gpm? modpobe mousedev? |
| 15:18.11 | enouf | s/modprobe |
| 15:18.48 | enouf | bbto: when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and you get to input devices, which did you select? /dev/psaux ? |
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| 15:19.16 | bbto | enouf: did not |
| 15:19.16 | enouf | bbto: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf will/should tell you |
| 15:19.22 | dqn | aliases123, bbto I don't have a cdrom drive or any other disk, nor any usb sticks, there's one more partition but there is data on it which I want to recover. can I just overwrite ubuntu with debian from ubuntu? |
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| 15:20.36 | dqn | there's no valuable info on system partition so I wouldn't mind wiping everything out :S |
| 15:20.40 | aliases123 | dqn: not really ... / not that easily... couldn't he netboot / launch the iso / files from a new partition or something (some one want to help me / him out with that). |
| 15:20.45 | grulk | Hi guys, how can I configure root-tail colors, postions, etc.... |
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| 15:21.11 | bbto | enouf: there is a section "ServerLayout" with a line InputDevice "configured mouse" . nothing else about mouse |
| 15:21.37 | dqn | aliases123: can I do netboot from a windows vista? |
| 15:21.56 | dqn | aliases123: and install debian on another pc trough lan? |
| 15:22.31 | enouf | bbto: hrm, well atleast do the drxx and set it up correctly? |
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| 15:22.56 | Joint | hey what's that application called audisiouc like xmms? |
| 15:22.59 | Joint | is the clone of the xmms |
| 15:23.09 | asg | audacity? |
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| 15:23.16 | enouf | bbto: you're supposed to have an entire section with Section "InputDevice" .. |
| 15:23.16 | bbto | enouf: sorry dont know drxx?? |
| 15:23.25 | Joint | asg i belived so |
| 15:23.25 | dqn | can someone give me advice on installing debian trough network if the host computer is a windows? |
| 15:23.26 | enouf | !tell bbto -about drxx |
| 15:23.37 | enouf | bbto: you're still on Etch, correct? |
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| 15:24.11 | enouf | johndoe: amarok or audacious |
| 15:24.16 | enouf | erm Joint |
| 15:24.18 | bbto | enouf: im on console 4 . console 7 is running xfce |
| 15:24.25 | enouf | not you johndoe |
| 15:24.28 | johndoe | amarok |
| 15:24.32 | johndoe | :P |
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| 15:24.48 | johndoe | whats audacious |
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| 15:24.58 | enouf | bbto: well, you'll need to restart X anyway |
| 15:25.02 | Joint | johndoe, it's a xmms clone |
| 15:25.15 | dqn | just for the record I'm no fan of ubuntu or vista, I'm in a certain situation from which I want to escape |
| 15:25.16 | enouf | bbto: so you can close it out, and do your configuration then restart it |
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| 15:25.25 | dqn | helping out somebody |
| 15:25.44 | bbto | sorry how do i close it ? |
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| 15:26.06 | enouf | bbto: using a DM? /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 15:26.21 | enouf | bbto: otherwise ctrl-alt-backspace i guess |
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| 15:26.56 | bbto | enouf: crl-alt bk thanks |
| 15:26.57 | enouf | dqn: maybe http://goodbye-windows.com? |
| 15:28.53 | bbto | enouf: and now what config? |
| 15:29.59 | enouf | bbto: well, tell it you're using a serial mouse ;-) i'm not sure which exact choices to make - and finding the info in dpkgbot factoids is proving futile, there's too many others unrelated |
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| 15:30.46 | enouf | bbto: remember to say No to kernel framebuffer |
| 15:31.00 | enouf | (that's video related) |
| 15:31.36 | enouf | !gpm |
| 15:31.37 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
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| 15:32.37 | dbbddbdb | Is it possible to get binary updates to Debian packages? |
| 15:32.45 | yopyop | enouf: the code in aufs-source seems to be really old, the code from cvs and from this version has a lot of difference. |
| 15:33.07 | dbbddbdb | E. g. a special mirror that gives away only files that were changed, not the whole huge .deb |
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| 15:34.23 | abrotman | dbbddbdb: not currently |
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| 15:34.30 | enouf | yopyop: etch does have older software - hence stable |
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| 15:34.40 | dbbddbdb | abrotman: is it hard to add e. g. Git support to Dpkg? |
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| 15:34.57 | abrotman | have fun doing it! |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | !uupdate |
| 15:35.09 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 15:35.15 | Hanselmaus | er, is there a gui-less version of wireshark? im trying to sniff a problem between 2 servers and i don't want to have to install gnome libs and the whole shebang |
| 15:35.27 | wols | Hanselmaus: tcpdump? |
| 15:35.28 | enouf | tcpdump? |
| 15:35.41 | Hanselmaus | thats what it was called, hehe, thanks |
| 15:35.45 | Hourssales | Does somebody know a glx/opengl driver for ATI Crap? :/ |
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| 15:36.00 | wols | Hourssales: what ati card? |
| 15:36.02 | enouf | then open the logs in wireshark to sort/read them? |
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| 15:36.16 | Hourssales | wols: 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] |
| 15:36.24 | Hanselmaus | elouf: wireshark can do that? |
| 15:36.30 | wols | Hourssales: debian ships with the 3D driver for that card already |
| 15:36.42 | Hourssales | i installed debian without X |
| 15:36.47 | Hourssales | and installed x later |
| 15:36.51 | enouf | Hanselmaus: it's good to get to know those tools, but strace and -vvv (verbosity) might be quicker and make more sense |
| 15:36.59 | wols | Hourssales: obviously you need X to get opengl support... |
| 15:37.07 | wols | Hourssales: that doesn't matter |
| 15:37.08 | enouf | Hanselmaus: so i'm told |
| 15:37.20 | Hourssales | it is installed automatically by installing X? |
| 15:37.32 | wols | Hourssales: run glxinfo from mesa-utils |
| 15:38.17 | Hourssales | Oo... |
| 15:38.42 | enouf | hrm, not sure if gatos is wnated there, but libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} pkgs are installed? |
| 15:38.43 | grulk | Hi guys, I am trying to configure -font on root-tail where can I get all the availables font I can use? |
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| 15:39.01 | enouf | xlsfonts ? |
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| 15:39.19 | Hourssales | wols: list of extensions and .. a pretty nothing-saying (to me) table |
| 15:39.22 | enouf | or apt-cache search font ? /msg dpkg msttcorefont ? |
| 15:39.34 | wols | Hourssales: pastebin the output |
| 15:40.16 | aadil | does anyone think some fat geek from a small tropical island has a chance with some average babe icelandic geek babe? |
| 15:40.37 | aadil | (i administer >1000 debian servers i think am entitled to some support in here mates) |
| 15:40.39 | aadil | :) |
| 15:41.16 | kaeles | as long as your not a dick, probably :P |
| 15:41.19 | Hourssales | wols: http://pastebin.com/d27223171 |
| 15:41.34 | radius | aadil, weight has nothing to do with personality you know that right? |
| 15:41.36 | wols | aadil: do you have a debian related support problem? |
| 15:41.37 | Hanselmaus | enouf: well, as far as i can tell, bad-server is indeed talking to the smb-server normally. i can't see any glaring errors. porting back to older fusesmb didn't work either, problem still persists... buggery |
| 15:41.50 | Hanselmaus | definately not a firewall issue |
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| 15:42.08 | Hanselmaus | checking debian bug tracker |
| 15:42.13 | wols | Hourssales: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo and paste that |
| 15:42.15 | aadil | wols, i guess not - just wanted to let loose some pressure accumulated from work |
| 15:42.19 | aadil | :S |
| 15:42.34 | wols | then go to #defocus or #debian-offtopic aadil |
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| 15:42.46 | enouf | Hanselmaus: you have 3 fuse pkgs installed that might need to be older versions, but then again, since it's lenny vs etch, could be any of 100s of things |
| 15:43.11 | Hourssales | wols: hm? |
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| 15:43.12 | Hanselmaus | true, i installed the three packes from the old. libfuse2, fuse-utils and fusesmb. |
| 15:43.19 | aadil | wols, it's noted sir |
| 15:43.30 | Hourssales | set variable and then glxinfo, or how did you mean? |
| 15:43.30 | agx | Hi, i've the package directory under svn; when i try "dpkg -b" it store the .svn files too; there is a way to avoid this? they are shell script, i love to have them tracked by svn too |
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| 15:43.44 | Hourssales | that |
| 15:43.56 | Hanselmaus | saying that, im going to try libsmbclient |
| 15:44.03 | themill | agx: look at svn-buildpackage |
| 15:44.05 | wols | Hourssales: I meant you to type what I just told |
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| 15:45.03 | enouf | Hanselmaus: try something like "strace -etrace=open,connect,socket -oFUSE-strace-01 <your mount command here>" - or you could drop the -oFUSE.. part and append > /somefile |
| 15:45.04 | themill | agx: I either use svn-buildpackage with a cowbuilder for doing the build or for test build, a hacky shell script that copies the files across, then strips out the .svn directories before doing the build. |
| 15:45.18 | Hourssales | looks first like the other output.. i'll paste |
| 15:45.33 | enouf | Hanselmaus: the -o means output filename |
| 15:45.36 | agx | themill, thanks, going to try |
| 15:45.47 | Hourssales | wols: http://pastebin.com/d5c5ad1d9 |
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| 15:47.23 | wols | should have told you why... oh well. as root: grep -i radeon /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:47.29 | yopyop | enouf, easy way, just upgraded to lenny ... aufs replace unionfs |
| 15:47.30 | enouf | Hanselmaus: hrm, so it (bad-server) is sending correctly, are the target one's returning the correct info? |
| 15:48.15 | enouf | yopyop: yes, that was an option, but if you wanted/needed to stay with Etch .. well ok |
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| 15:49.11 | limpio | <DevilChaos> what's the EXACT message? have you used 'deborphan' and 'localepurge'? |
| 15:49.18 | Hourssales | wols: yeah, found. thank you |
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| 15:49.31 | wols | Hourssales: found WHAT? |
| 15:49.45 | torr | where should I ask for one more keyboard definition in XKB? |
| 15:49.51 | enouf | hehe - he conserving characters :-P |
| 15:50.01 | braunkraut | anybody here using pypanel? After upgrading to lenny it doesn't seem to work anymore. Starts fine, doesn't throw any exceptions, just won't display anything. |
| 15:50.18 | Hourssales | wols: some output helping to get glx running correctly |
| 15:50.22 | asg | braunkraut: check the bts to see if there is a known issue |
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| 15:52.04 | enouf | torr: i don't know, you could try maybe debian-x@lists.debian.org (irc.debian.org) - seen http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ or maybe try #xorg? |
| 15:52.06 | braunkraut | asg: nothing that matches what I am seeing. |
| 15:52.36 | enouf | torr: wiki.x.org , and x.org ? |
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| 15:52.59 | Hanselmaus | enouf: arg! dependiency hell. sorry, replies may be intermittent |
| 15:53.08 | torr | enouf, thanks |
| 15:53.11 | asg | braunkraut: hmmm, okay. Did you update to lenny from etch or was this just a lenny update? |
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| 15:54.12 | braunkraut | asg: minimal etch netinstall -> dist-upgrade lenny |
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| 15:54.25 | braunkraut | asg: now cde or x before the dist upgrade |
| 15:54.30 | braunkraut | asg: s/now/no |
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| 15:54.56 | asg | braunkraut: I'd file a bug if nobody else in here knows what the issue might be then. Sorry I don't have more information. |
| 15:55.12 | bbto | enouf: Thanks |
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| 15:55.32 | braunkraut | asg: thanks. |
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| 15:57.25 | Tetracomm | What is the easiest way to make a Debian package? |
| 15:58.01 | asg | Tetracomm: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:58.05 | enouf | !tell Tetracomm -about package basics |
| 15:58.11 | enouf | nmg |
| 15:58.27 | enouf | ... oh mg works too? ;-) |
| 15:58.36 | asg | enouf: that's the 'old' factoid |
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| 15:59.18 | enouf | old is ok ;-) |
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| 16:05.13 | Tetracomm | Lame is installed, but Audacity still says that it can't find it, help? |
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| 16:05.53 | enouf | Tetracomm: from within audacity preferences? |
| 16:05.54 | Gryfelhase | somewher in the menues you can tell it the path.... afaik.... one moment, i have to have a look |
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| 16:06.03 | plastech | hello |
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| 16:06.47 | Gryfelhase | Tetracomm: I use the german version, don't know the decription of the menu-entry.... |
| 16:06.54 | Gryfelhase | i guess preferences or options |
| 16:07.13 | enouf | Tetracomm: you have to set that up prior - as root updatedb ; locate libmp3lame.so ; point audacity to it |
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| 16:07.36 | plastech | I tried to install Sun's java 5 via sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-jdk, but when I run "java -version" I get the free software foundation version....what's the deal?! |
| 16:07.54 | stew | plastech: use update-java-alternatives to configure which java you are using by default |
| 16:07.55 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives |
| 16:08.05 | Gryfelhase | there you can audacity let serach for lame |
| 16:08.08 | plastech | Awesome.....you guys rock! |
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| 16:10.00 | shyam_k | http://packages.debian.org is that a valid url for a repository? |
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| 16:10.14 | Eulex | no |
| 16:10.17 | wols | shyam_k: no |
| 16:10.20 | abrotman | !tell shyam_k about sources.list |
| 16:10.20 | Eulex | !tell shyam_k about mirrors |
| 16:10.22 | wols | !tell shyam_k about sources.list |
| 16:10.23 | shyam_k | hok:) problem solved |
| 16:10.23 | abrotman | !tell shyam_k about mirrors |
| 16:10.44 | shyam_k | i guessed it would be the problem.. just wanna fix it.. |
| 16:10.46 | enouf | haha - botattack |
| 16:11.01 | asg | abrotman: don't forget, Red Bull gives you wings |
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| 16:13.09 | corp | hello. i'm having issues bulding a debian package. pbuilder tries to install debhelper (and thus its dependency, html2text). the html2text install hangs and never finishes |
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| 16:19.50 | Tetracomm | enouf: Where is libmp3lame.so? |
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| 16:21.58 | enouf | Tetracomm: mine is where i built it |
| 16:22.14 | enouf | Tetracomm: i told you how to find it |
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| 16:23.20 | Mohammad[B] | Hi All :-) |
| 16:23.43 | wols | enouf: why build? dmm should have it,no? |
| 16:23.53 | enouf | in general, most libs will be in /lib , /usr/lib/, /usr/local/lib |
| 16:24.07 | enouf | wols: i did it years ago ;-) |
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| 16:26.17 | enouf | Tetracomm: alternatively, man dpkg ; see the -L option |
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| 16:28.43 | Neo_The_User | wols, hi. how are you? |
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| 16:31.15 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me if it is possible to view mark with tcpdump or those kinf of tools ? |
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| 16:31.19 | aronofsky | in magle table |
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| 16:32.13 | hyksos | hi, where are the configurations of X located? the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is nearly empty |
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| 16:33.06 | Eulex | /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but most is autodetected by xorg |
| 16:33.07 | cahoot | hyksos: that's the new approach |
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| 16:33.16 | piasdom | i having trouble updating...when i do apt-get update i get.....results at http://paste.org/index.php?id=4020 |
| 16:33.26 | hyksos | cahoot: autodetectiion? |
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| 16:34.04 | hyksos | how do i setup now a specific resolution? |
| 16:34.20 | enouf | man xorg.conf |
| 16:34.33 | Nibbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.39 | cahoot | hyksos: you can add what you seem to lack |
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| 16:35.32 | Eulex | hyksos, usually, all resolutions should be auto-detected by your graphics driver |
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| 16:35.36 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 16:35.44 | Eulex | piasdom, that wine repo seems to not work. |
| 16:35.47 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d62621d72 <- could this be caused by a memory problem? |
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| 16:36.21 | Eulex | SamuraiDio, does an apt-get update fix it? |
| 16:36.39 | SamuraiDio | i'll try |
| 16:36.50 | piasdom | Eulex: that's what i'm getting |
| 16:36.50 | hyksos | Eulex: but where to change? |
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| 16:37.32 | Eulex | piasdom, either disable it, or fix it. |
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| 16:37.47 | enouf | SamuraiDio: seems like you have an issue with some of your /var/lib/dpkg/{status,available} files |
| 16:37.52 | Eulex | hyksos, change resolution? using any x app that does xrandr. |
| 16:38.04 | piasdom | Eulex: where can i fine the correct deb....you know ? |
| 16:38.05 | hyksos | Eulex: dont know any |
| 16:38.19 | Minoru | piasdom, as i see, this repo haven't Packages file. you can't use it in sources.list :( |
| 16:38.40 | enouf | SamuraiDio: your lists is screwed - you could mv the old /lists to /oldlists, then update |
| 16:38.45 | SamuraiDio | Eulex, no, it doesn't |
| 16:38.45 | Eulex | hyksos, 'xrandr' is one. all resolution changers in desktop environments use xrandr to switch resolution. |
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| 16:39.06 | SamuraiDio | enouf, update how? apt-get update? |
| 16:39.11 | piasdom | Minoru: thanks..i'll have to go ahunting |
| 16:39.12 | enouf | i had that issue once, a while back when toying with sources.list incorrectly |
| 16:39.16 | enouf | SamuraiDio: yeah |
| 16:39.22 | enouf | SamuraiDio: or aptitudes |
| 16:39.37 | XTZGZoReX | How exactly do I make it so a user only has access to for example /home/hello? |
| 16:39.39 | Eulex | piasdom, either ask the wine people for a correct repo, or use the wine that comes with debian and remove that apt source. |
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| 16:39.52 | Crazz | ok i made a boot cd for debian 4 etch... and when i typed install it locked on the Open Firmware window with a default catch error do you think it might be that i would need a specific Openfirmware update? |
| 16:39.52 | SamuraiDio | enouf, but what shoud i move? |
| 16:40.26 | piasdom | Eulex:thanks...i'l go chat with them....thank you all |
| 16:40.33 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i'm thinking of /var/lib/apt/lists/ but i never used aptitude |
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| 16:41.25 | cahoot | XTZGZoReX: what would be the purpose? |
| 16:41.30 | SamuraiDio | enouf, but isn't my problem at /var/lib/dpkg/* ? |
| 16:41.55 | XTZGZoReX | cahoot: a user for someone else, but I don't want them to have access to anything outside /home/hello |
| 16:42.24 | enouf | SamuraiDio: you might think it is - but where / how does that file get generated? |
| 16:42.26 | Hanselmaus | enouf: weehaaaay! i found the problem. it was mf'ing libsmbclient that was causing the problem. i removed all the new packages and reverted to the older deb's cached on the good-server and installed those, and voila it works |
| 16:42.27 | Hanselmaus | ;) |
| 16:42.28 | Hanselmaus | ace |
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| 16:42.36 | cahoot | XTZGZoReX: you don't think they should be able to run any command/app? |
| 16:42.56 | XTZGZoReX | cahoot: Of course, but I don't want them to have access to /etc /opt /whatever |
| 16:43.03 | SamuraiDio | enouf, ?????? |
| 16:43.09 | XTZGZoReX | cahoot: Sorry if I don't make much sense :) |
| 16:43.19 | enouf | Hanselmaus: aha! so newer libsmbclient was the issue? or only how fusesmb uses it? File some bugs please ;-) |
| 16:43.32 | SamuraiDio | mv /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/lists_old && apt-get update |
| 16:43.53 | enouf | SamuraiDio: what i suggest shouldn't hurt - especially when you can easily replace what you backedup |
| 16:44.05 | enouf | right |
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| 16:44.25 | enouf | SamuraiDio: but fix your sources.list |
| 16:44.32 | Hanselmaus | enouf: that, i cannot say for certain, i will have to setup a debian vm using the lenny packages and test smb there to know if it was simply the way fuse uses it or not ;) but i've added it to my todo |
| 16:44.44 | SamuraiDio | enouf, my sources.list should not be wrong |
| 16:44.50 | enouf | Hanselmaus: beauty ;-) |
| 16:45.36 | SamuraiDio | wha means "Ign" on apt-get update? |
| 16:45.41 | enouf | SamuraiDio: that's usually how you get those errors your pastebin showed - from messing with sources.list and adding/removing at random and updating in between |
| 16:46.28 | SamuraiDio | hmmm.. |
| 16:46.33 | SamuraiDio | i'll double check it |
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| 16:48.03 | cahoot | XTZGZoReX: you can't really amputate too many limbs without dire consequences |
| 16:48.03 | cahoot | XTZGZoReX: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto |
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| 16:49.37 | Hanselmaus | anyone know where selinux keeps its logs? |
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| 16:53.34 | agoodNando | Hello. Is there anything like this in apt ? |
| 16:53.38 | agoodNando | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoq |
| 16:53.52 | agoodNando | I mean, similar to that. |
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| 16:55.59 | jim_p | hi there |
| 16:56.01 | jim_p | how can i open TCP port 27015 from iptables? |
| 16:56.14 | Krazz | iMac Blueberry trayloader with PowerPC G3 333mhz proc 32mb ram 6mb vram and 6gb hdd when i boot from debian ppc etch cd and type install i get locked at openfirmware with a default catch warning do i need to have a specific firmware upgrade? |
| 16:57.02 | agoodNando | jim_p: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 27015 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:57.22 | freel | Hi all! Who has the laptop series DELL VOSTRO ? |
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| 16:59.21 | jim_p | thanks agoodNando |
| 16:59.34 | freel | I have a video card Nvidia8400M GS in my laptop VOSTRO, where I can take the driver fod Debian ? |
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| 16:59.51 | abrotman | agoodNando: sugar crm ? |
| 17:00.14 | abrotman | agoodNando: is it CRM or accounting ? |
| 17:00.49 | Krazz | iMac Blueberry trayloader with PowerPC G3 333mhz proc 32mb ram 6mb vram and 6gb hdd when i boot from debian ppc etch cd and type install i get locked at openfirmware with a default catch warning do i need to have a specific firmware upgrade? |
| 17:01.09 | agoodNando | abrotman: Sorry. My English sucks. |
| 17:01.19 | abrotman | there's a brasilian channel if you prefer |
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| 17:02.23 | freel | On officially a site of the driver is not present (( hheeelp me please! |
| 17:02.59 | agoodNando | abrotman: It is a software that enables one to "log" everything you buy, sell, etc in a store. |
| 17:02.59 | Kumool | hmm is there a way to allow dead keys? |
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| 17:03.20 | abrotman | !info interchange etch |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:04.48 | abrotman | !info interchange |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | only in unstable currently |
| 17:05.07 | abrotman | not sure if tha'ts what you're lookign for or not |
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| 17:05.22 | agoodNando | Let me check it out. |
| 17:05.28 | agoodNando | Thanks. |
| 17:05.38 | freel | Where I can receive the driver to video card Nvidia 8400M GS ? |
| 17:05.40 | dpkg | interchange: (e-commerce and general HTTP database display system), section web, is optional. Version: 5.5.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 987 kB, Installed size: 4268 kB |
| 17:06.03 | ShaneSveller | hello, i'm looking to build a server "embedded" on a compact-flash card. I have a 2GB card that I want to load linux on, and have it boot off the card, then read everything into a ramdisk and run off of that. is this possible? |
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| 17:06.39 | ShaneSveller | I've gotten as far as installing a copy of linux and running it from the card succesfully with the target hardware, but i want to minimize writes to the CF |
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| 17:07.25 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: you porbably want debian-live |
| 17:07.25 | Crazz | iMac Blueberry trayloader with PowerPC G3 333mhz proc 32mb ram 6mb vram and 6gb hdd when i boot from debian ppc etch cd and type install i get locked at openfirmware with a default catch warning do i need to have a specific firmware upgrade? |
| 17:07.49 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: the debian-live irc channel? |
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| 17:08.09 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: i'd like to be able to persist some things such as SQL database to storage on regular harddrives |
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| 17:08.24 | hramrach | no, a debian-live build |
| 17:08.43 | Spockz | I spent the better part of yesterday trying to get authentication against system users by apache working... But I couldn't finish it and now I resorted to using htpasswd |
| 17:08.44 | hramrach | their channel is on a different irc server I think |
| 17:08.55 | SamuraiDio | enouf, http://pastebin.com/d366f5c34 still |
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| 17:09.26 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: it's possible to build your own d-l disk with custom features |
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| 17:09.46 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: i'm looking to do something like what was done here: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4540125636.html only less restricted by storage space. i'm fairly sure i can follow a nearly identical process to achieve what i want. |
| 17:09.48 | SamuraiDio | enouf, dselect updates only /var/lib/dpkg/avaiable or also status? |
| 17:09.55 | Spockz | Anyone has an idea how to do it? |
| 17:10.48 | freel | on this channel there are PHP coders? |
| 17:10.56 | abrotman | freel: there are in ##php |
| 17:11.23 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: debian live is a system that boots off a readonly media, and there are scripts in Debian for building that. If you want to do something different you will probably need to hack something yourself |
| 17:11.38 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: thanks for your advice |
| 17:12.05 | freel | abrotman: оо thanks! |
| 17:12.33 | SPF | find . -type f | xargs chmod 644 |
| 17:12.35 | SamuraiDio | Spockz, are you trying to use /etc/passwd to auth with apache? |
| 17:12.39 | SPF | that wont work for spaces in the files |
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| 17:12.50 | SPF | any suggestions? |
| 17:12.52 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i don't remember |
| 17:13.05 | stew | SPF: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 |
| 17:13.08 | Spockz | Saar: preferably yes |
| 17:13.12 | SamuraiDio | well, no prob to try... |
| 17:13.13 | SPF | thx stew :) |
| 17:14.03 | Spockz | SamuraiDio: got any ideas on how to fix that? |
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| 17:17.24 | SamuraiDio | Spockz, i have never did it before. maybe you should ask #apache |
| 17:17.37 | Loeken | I have installed compiz-fusion and when I try to start it by clicking the "compiz-fusion icon", it loads, but I cant move the windows on the desktop or do anything, I can move the mouse but I cant click anything! But I can change desktop with CTRL-ALT-arrow and see that the effects are active... |
| 17:17.53 | freel | hi all! On this channel there is freelancers? |
| 17:17.57 | SamuraiDio | enouf, emptying /var/lib/dpkg/status and running dselect update seens to be fized it |
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| 17:18.18 | wols | freel: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 17:18.32 | thinktank | hi |
| 17:18.37 | thinktank | i added 2000 glines on my network |
| 17:18.42 | thinktank | i wana remove all in 1 command |
| 17:18.44 | thinktank | how can i do that |
| 17:18.46 | thinktank | its unrealircd |
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| 17:18.51 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: also what that guy has done is pretty much the same as debian-live. |
| 17:18.57 | Crazz | iMac Blueberry trayloader with PowerPC G3 333mhz proc 32mb ram 6mb vram and 6gb hdd when i boot from debian ppc etch cd and type install i get locked at openfirmware with a default catch warning do i need to have a specific firmware upgrade? |
| 17:18.58 | wols | thinktank: ask the people who made your ircd |
| 17:19.02 | enouf | SamuraiDio: bingo - a little careful toying around - made backups just in case - and vóila! |
| 17:19.13 | wols | !tell Crazz about ppc |
| 17:19.16 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: gotcha. the only tricky-sounding part is pointing stuff that needs to persist off the CF |
| 17:19.17 | thinktank | wols who made it |
| 17:19.28 | wols | thinktank: I don't know. look into the documentation |
| 17:19.58 | Crazz | i have already read the install guide and the guide says nothing about a specific OF version... |
| 17:20.05 | SamuraiDio | enouf, err... but my system forgot my already installed packages :( |
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| 17:20.25 | enouf | Crazz: there is info in the Appendix about it, IIRC |
| 17:20.45 | mhymn | anyone installed OO.o 3 on etch? |
| 17:20.52 | SamuraiDio | dpkg, -l returns nothing :'( |
| 17:20.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching returns nothing :'( |
| 17:20.53 | enouf | SamuraiDio: ok, so fix that now ;-) |
| 17:20.55 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: debian-live uses unionfs to mount writable fs over the ro / and has persist feature that allows saving the changes to a separate media |
| 17:21.13 | SamuraiDio | dpkg, i did not ask you |
| 17:21.13 | dpkg | SamuraiDio: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:21.14 | enouf | SamuraiDio: run updatedb as a start |
| 17:21.29 | enouf | SamuraiDio: it's a bot, please ... |
| 17:21.41 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i know, hehehe |
| 17:21.53 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i don't have updatedb |
| 17:22.00 | enouf | SamuraiDio: besides, what you'd do is; |
| 17:22.01 | hramrach | ShaneSveller: I use only ro CD and net booted d-l personally, though |
| 17:22.04 | enouf | dpkg: shaddup! |
| 17:22.04 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
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| 17:22.13 | enouf | !lose me |
| 17:22.13 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 17:22.43 | wols | dpkg: stfu! |
| 17:22.43 | dpkg | i guess stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
| 17:22.49 | enouf | SamuraiDio: nice one, try installing debian ;-) |
| 17:23.02 | wols | enouf: it really is a smart aleck that one |
| 17:23.09 | enouf | hehe |
| 17:23.16 | SamuraiDio | enouf, nice joke |
| 17:23.30 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: thanks |
| 17:23.33 | enouf | SamuraiDio: as root/sudo - ofcourse you have it |
| 17:23.39 | enouf | installit you weenie |
| 17:23.51 | SamuraiDio | apt-get install debian |
| 17:23.56 | SamuraiDio | E: Couldn't find package debian |
| 17:24.06 | enouf | SamuraiDio: as root ; updatedb |
| 17:24.30 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i don't have updatedb/locate commands |
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| 17:24.35 | ShaneSveller | hramrach: would there be any difficulties in including lvm support in a debian-live build? |
| 17:24.35 | enouf | !installit |
| 17:24.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 17:24.36 | SamuraiDio | lemme try to reinstall they |
| 17:24.54 | freel | help me please, find driver on video card Nvidia 8400M GS |
| 17:25.17 | ShaneSveller | freel: nvidia's own website nvidia.com has a driver-search tool that can help you quite well. |
| 17:25.25 | enouf | freel: free 2D -- Xorg |
| 17:25.30 | enouf | !tell freel -about nvidia |
| 17:25.32 | SamuraiDio | dpkg, updatedb |
| 17:25.32 | dpkg | SamuraiDio: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:25.39 | SamuraiDio | dpkg, locate |
| 17:25.40 | dpkg | i don't know, SamuraiDio |
| 17:25.53 | enouf | !penixstrike SamuraiDio |
| 17:25.53 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SamuraiDio to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 17:26.12 | SamuraiDio | ugh! |
| 17:26.21 | enouf | SamuraiDio: what is wrong with you? did you hit your head on the tub this morning? |
| 17:26.21 | mhymn | pervert bot |
| 17:26.28 | wols | freel: what debian version? |
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| 17:26.39 | SamuraiDio | enouf, errr... no, sorry |
| 17:26.51 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i'll ask the bot in private if i need |
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| 17:27.14 | enouf | !tell SamuraiDio -about search |
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| 17:28.49 | SamuraiDio | every install is failing |
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| 17:28.50 | SamuraiDio | :( |
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| 17:29.04 | dob1 | hi, how can i know if bitmap fonts are enabled in my fontconfig configuration? |
| 17:29.10 | Spockz | SamuraiDio: they advise me to use ldap isntead |
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| 17:30.14 | wols | !tell SamuraiDio about errors |
| 17:30.58 | SamuraiDio | i restored a backup of dpkg status |
| 17:31.08 | wols | !tell SamuraiDio about errors |
| 17:31.31 | SamuraiDio | wols, i read it, thanks |
| 17:31.58 | plastech | Question: Why does the command 'java -cp $CLASSPATH net.sf.saxon.Transform "$@"' work on the command line, but not when embedded in a file called 'saxon'? File saxon is just #!/bin/sh, newline, that command. |
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| 17:32.11 | wols | then understand it for a change and stop spamming useless whiny stuff |
| 17:32.25 | plastech | It gives me java's usage script.... |
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| 17:33.05 | SamuraiDio | is there some standart way to re-create dpkg list of installed packages? |
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| 17:33.21 | plastech | Have I stumped the group? |
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| 17:34.25 | plastech | Damn |
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| 17:34.40 | plastech | Hello? |
| 17:34.52 | enouf | plastech: nobody uses java ffs - it's pure bloatware |
| 17:34.55 | enouf | :-P |
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| 17:35.09 | plastech | ffs? |
| 17:35.11 | Neo_The_User | !tell wols debian |
| 17:35.13 | torr | logrotate question: I have an app that produce log.1 log.2 ... and I want logrotate to delet if i>10 in log.i |
| 17:35.14 | enouf | !ffs |
| 17:35.15 | dpkg | somebody said ffs was for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 17:35.33 | enouf | pipegeek: ask in #java related or try ##linux |
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| 17:35.37 | enouf | plastech: |
| 17:35.41 | enouf | not pipegeek |
| 17:35.45 | plastech | thanks |
| 17:36.09 | stew | plastech: i'd guess that CLASSPATH wasnt set |
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| 17:36.31 | pipegeek | haha |
| 17:36.50 | plastech | stew: It was. |
| 17:37.11 | plastech | stew: echo $CLASSPATH showed the file in question |
| 17:38.02 | torr | where is logrotate in init.d? |
| 17:38.08 | stew | plastech: how were you calling the script? |
| 17:38.11 | Hypavisah | hm |
| 17:38.20 | stew | torr: it isn't. it is in /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 17:38.34 | torr | ah |
| 17:38.41 | plastech | stew: just typing saxon |
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| 17:39.26 | Hypavisah | dpkg ffs is also firefox sucks! Go Iceweasel |
| 17:39.27 | dpkg | okay, Hypavisah |
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| 17:39.55 | Hypavisah | damn 200mb of updates |
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| 17:40.16 | Hypavisah | wow my system is slow now |
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| 17:40.40 | Hypavisah | I typed aptitude update 15 seconds ago, nothing is happening yet, 20 secs ahh here it goes |
| 17:40.56 | Hypavisah | damn it took a while to initialize aptitude |
| 17:41.16 | Hypavisah | (and aptitude is a lot slower in general, or is it just me?) |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | should have guessed ... |
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| 17:42.13 | Hypavisah | it seems apt-get finished stuff in half the time of aptitude |
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| 17:42.35 | Hypavisah | and Laptop ... Current status: 100 updates [+53], 4525 new [+23]. |
| 17:42.58 | Hypavisah | argh |
| 17:43.50 | jelly | SamuraiDio: (/var/lib/dpkg/...) restore from a backup? |
| 17:44.12 | Tetracomm | I can't find libmtp for Debain Etch at all, help? |
| 17:44.24 | Hypavisah | and laptop need to get 112MB of archives. |
| 17:44.32 | stew | Hypavisah: do you actually have a question? |
| 17:44.51 | Hypavisah | stew, I asked it already but nobody answered me |
| 17:44.57 | stew | Hypavisah: can you repeat it? |
| 17:45.05 | Hypavisah | (and aptitude is a lot slower in general, or is it just me?) |
| 17:45.10 | stew | Hypavisah: it is a lot slower |
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| 17:45.40 | Hypavisah | stew, is there any tips or tricks to make it process stuff quicker? |
| 17:45.45 | Hypavisah | s/is/are |
| 17:45.55 | stew | Hypavisah: i doubt it |
| 17:46.09 | Hypavisah | hm |
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| 17:46.42 | stew | oh |
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| 17:46.51 | SamuraiDio | jelly, huh? |
| 17:46.53 | jelly | uncovered his true face, has he! |
| 17:46.58 | dudeman | huh? |
| 17:47.01 | aixenv | is it possible to have 2 greps of output emailed within the same email? |
| 17:47.17 | dudeman | no, in #css there was Supavisah we were just playing around and now I'm back to being me again |
| 17:47.25 | jelly | SamuraiDio: <SamuraiDio> is there some standart way to re-create dpkg list of installed packages? |
| 17:47.48 | jelly | ah |
| 17:47.51 | SamuraiDio | jelly, but was you asking me? |
| 17:48.06 | stew | aixenv: (grep something somewhere ; grep somethingelse somewhereelse) | mail -s somesubject some@address |
| 17:48.38 | SamuraiDio | jelly, my doubt is just how to recreate /var/lib/dpkg*, not from backups, but from already installed packages |
| 17:48.43 | jelly | SamuraiDio: I was suggesting a "standard way of recreating list of installed packages" |
| 17:49.03 | jelly | SamuraiDio: what's wrong with your backups? |
| 17:49.06 | dudeman | whats a command to create 100 files at one time, from file001.txt to file100.txt ? |
| 17:49.24 | SamuraiDio | jelly, actually they are ok, but they may not be |
| 17:49.32 | enouf | i doubt he's even running debian johndoe |
| 17:49.35 | enouf | gah |
| 17:49.39 | johndoe | not again |
| 17:49.40 | enouf | i doubt he's even running debian jelly |
| 17:49.52 | jelly | !tabsmite enouf |
| 17:49.55 | enouf | johndoe: apologies mate |
| 17:49.57 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i am, i always use debian... |
| 17:50.01 | johndoe | enouf: np :) |
| 17:50.08 | johndoe | pozdrav jelly :) |
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| 17:50.33 | jelly | SamuraiDio: I think the best way to deal with thinks is to find the error in your current /v/l/d/status |
| 17:50.35 | aixenv | stew: ty, that works, is there some way to inject a few blank lines between the entries? |
| 17:50.39 | enouf | dudeman: for i in seq 001 100; ... |
| 17:50.42 | SpeCon | hello: How can i see how much cpu and ram my server is using ? in shell/bash please |
| 17:50.46 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i upgrade from etct to lanny some months ago, and got some problems (due to a bugged package). this is why i had not locate package installed. |
| 17:50.47 | enouf | dudeman: something like thaty |
| 17:50.48 | aixenv | erm between grep1 and grep2 i mean |
| 17:50.56 | stew | aixenv: (grep ; echo; echo ;echo; grep ) |
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| 17:51.03 | aixenv | stew ok cool ty |
| 17:51.04 | enouf | do touch $i ; done |
| 17:51.08 | jelly | johndoe: bar je pogodio drzavu |
| 17:51.10 | dudeman | for f in $f; do touch "$f"001.txt; done |
| 17:51.11 | dudeman | something like that |
| 17:51.16 | dudeman | I can't quite work it out in my head |
| 17:51.24 | themill | dudeman: probably want a printf in there too |
| 17:51.38 | jelly | dudeman: a for loop in bash? |
| 17:51.54 | dudeman | jelly, trying to create files 001.txt to 100.txt in one line |
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| 17:52.06 | themill | dudeman: for i in $(seq 1 100); do echo touch $(printf "file%03d.txt" $i); done |
| 17:52.26 | enouf | dudeman: the older way without seq is to use ((x=1;x<100;x++)) or similar |
| 17:52.27 | jelly | right, but #bash would frown about using seq |
| 17:52.28 | themill | dudeman: (remove echo to fire in anger) |
| 17:52.30 | SamuraiDio | jelly, but i had several errors taht i could not fix manually. it's not the first time.. i'm starting to think my memory has errors and this is causing system failures and corrupted files (had a kernel panic a minute ago) |
| 17:52.52 | dudeman | oh |
| 17:52.54 | dudeman | #bash |
| 17:53.06 | themill | jelly: of course... but heh |
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| 17:53.58 | SamuraiDio | thanks all for the help. i'll test my memories first, before deal with dpkg again |
| 17:54.21 | dudeman | for((i=0;$i<=100;i=$(($i+1))));do touch $i; done <-- is this no good? |
| 17:54.25 | dudeman | am i too much of a newb |
| 17:54.27 | dudeman | :( |
| 17:54.31 | enouf | SamuraiDio: you did originally ask if a possible bad RAM issue you were having |
| 17:54.40 | johndoe | a quick question: how would i make this output in hex instead of decimal echo $[0x123-0xab] |
| 17:55.06 | SamuraiDio | enouf, yeah i did, i'm sure i have a bad RAM.. |
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| 17:55.22 | enouf | pipe it to bc and use -o<something> |
| 17:55.30 | SamuraiDio | enouf, my doubt was if this my cause my dpkg issues |
| 17:55.31 | themill | dudeman: you specified 001 to 100 not 1 to 100. |
| 17:55.46 | jelly | SamuraiDio: so boot memtest86+ and let it run overnight |
| 17:55.47 | enouf | SamuraiDio: right - i recall - well, run memtest86+ |
| 17:56.03 | dudeman | themill, yeh, im trying to get the login down |
| 17:56.09 | dudeman | I can specify whatever names :) |
| 17:56.14 | dudeman | logic* |
| 17:56.28 | themill | dudeman: That's the purpose of the printf in the one I gave you. Also, stick an "echo" before the touch then you can try it and see yourself |
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| 17:56.29 | dudeman | themill, just wondering if there is a better way to accomplish this than what I came up with |
| 17:56.38 | dudeman | themill, example? |
| 17:56.47 | jelly | dudeman: touch {1..100} |
| 17:56.57 | dudeman | jelly, yeh i din't know about that |
| 17:56.58 | themill | still doesn't do 001 to 100 |
| 17:56.59 | dudeman | cool |
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| 17:57.02 | stew | johndoe: printf "%x\n" $[0x123-0xab] |
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| 17:57.13 | johndoe | stew: thank you |
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| 17:57.22 | themill | dudeman: it's your requirement of 0-padding that makes it a little harder to do. |
| 17:57.29 | jelly | themill: zsh accepts {001..100} ;-) |
| 17:57.35 | dudeman | themill, yeh thats the elusive bit |
| 17:57.37 | themill | heh |
| 17:57.40 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:57.49 | jelly | !start a shell war |
| 17:57.49 | dpkg | bash owns rc |
| 17:57.52 | dudeman | jelly, I'm on bash right now |
| 17:57.53 | enouf | dang |
| 17:57.59 | beardy | Infidel. |
| 17:58.02 | enouf | was just thinking of doing that! |
| 17:58.04 | jelly | zsh is the DEFINITIVE shell |
| 17:58.04 | dudeman | lol |
| 17:58.12 | dudeman | smacks beardy |
| 17:58.14 | dudeman | oy |
| 17:58.22 | enouf | hurls chmed the Dead Terrorist upon beardy |
| 17:58.27 | enouf | crap |
| 17:58.33 | enouf | stupid insert key! |
| 17:58.36 | jelly | dudeman: give me your snailmail address to send you a copy of "From Bash to Z Shell" :-> |
| 17:58.44 | enouf | s/chmed/Achmed |
| 17:58.45 | dudeman | chmed = new linux utility to change your medication |
| 17:58.55 | dudeman | jelly, if its a book I'll buy it |
| 17:59.03 | dudeman | jelly, thanks |
| 17:59.04 | jelly | it is |
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| 17:59.37 | jelly | and I wasn't that serious... they're comparable |
| 17:59.38 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go |
| 17:59.46 | enouf | dudeman: Achmed! ;-) |
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| 17:59.53 | jelly | enouf: bless ya |
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| 18:01.39 | beardy | !smack dudeman |
| 18:01.39 | dpkg | smacks dudeman upside the head. |
| 18:01.50 | _Sam-- | hey im trying to use ttysnoop to keep an eye on some consultants working on my box via ssh....i got it setup properly, and when someone tries to login in via ssh, i can see their screen, but because i changed the 'login' program to ttysnoops, the ssh users im trying to dont get to a bash prompt...it hangs after password input... |
| 18:02.14 | _Sam-- | any suggestions? i know im _THIS_ close...but just cant get it. |
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| 18:03.50 | abrotman | you could launch them into a shared screen .. though i suppose they could back out of that |
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| 18:04.12 | moodog | evening all |
| 18:04.29 | _Sam-- | what i dont understand is why i can see what they are typing/inputting after they enter their password...but the user never gets dropped to the bash prompt. |
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| 18:08.02 | etnt` | I need to configure a number of servers, can I create my own install CD and if so where do I start, any pointers ? |
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| 18:08.26 | abrotman | !tell etnt` about custom netinst |
| 18:08.57 | etnt` | abrotman: thx! |
| 18:09.02 | _Sam-- | abrotman : ive read a bunch of howtos and examples that seem to say ttysnoops will or can snoop ssh....you dont have any ideas or suggestions...i know you know everything. |
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| 18:09.16 | _Sam-- | ive spent a lot of time on it today, would love to be able to put this one to bed. |
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| 18:09.28 | abrotman | everything ? |
| 18:09.32 | _Sam-- | everything. |
| 18:09.56 | abrotman | so you changed their shell to ttysnoop ? |
| 18:10.13 | _Sam-- | i changed sshd to uselogin = yes, and made that login ttysnoops when i compiled sshd. |
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| 18:10.56 | _Sam-- | LOGIN_PROGRAM="/sbin/ttysnoops" |
| 18:10.56 | _Sam-- | export LOGIN_PROGRAM |
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| 18:11.28 | _Sam-- | sshd_config: |
| 18:11.29 | _Sam-- | PasswordAuthentication yes |
| 18:11.29 | _Sam-- | UseLogin no |
| 18:11.43 | _Sam-- | (i have it set to no so people can login while i troubleshoot) |
| 18:12.19 | _Sam-- | the ssh users do get a login prompt for ssh, and appear to login in fine, and i can snoop them at that point....but they never drop to a bash/other shell. |
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| 18:12.40 | torr | I have this logrotata: http://pastebin.com/m7d7f2623 |
| 18:13.21 | torr | and I have like 700 log files some of them are from 25.09.2008 |
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| 18:13.32 | torr | and I have set maxage to 10 |
| 18:13.37 | _Sam-- | (abrotman: i referred mostly this article: http://sysd.org/stas/node/35#attachments ) |
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| 18:13.54 | torr | and ran /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 18:14.13 | torr | but the old files are not deleted |
| 18:15.23 | ponyofdeath | hi, im trying to clear the whole disk before partitioning in my preseed file does anyone know how i can do that? |
| 18:15.37 | Kovensky | is it a shell script? |
| 18:15.39 | Kovensky | has no idea |
| 18:16.17 | torr | it is the /etc/logrotate.d/james file |
| 18:16.19 | enouf | torr: try ~$ rgrep -i rotate /etc/cron.* |
| 18:16.28 | Kovensky | ponyofdeath: if it is a shell script, "parted /dev/device mklabel" |
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| 18:16.31 | dudeman | hm |
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| 18:16.41 | ponyofdeath | Kovensky: well its how debian auto installs |
| 18:16.51 | Kovensky | hmm; never tried messing with that |
| 18:16.52 | dudeman | enouf, jelly and themolester, thanks |
| 18:16.55 | dudeman | themill* |
| 18:17.04 | dudeman | the molester?! wth |
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| 18:17.38 | torr | enouf, nothing interesting |
| 18:18.39 | enouf | ponyofdeath: you want to fill the disk with zeros prior? run dd |
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| 18:19.05 | Kovensky | enouf: no; he is scripting debianinstall |
| 18:19.08 | Kovensky | with the preseed file |
| 18:19.11 | enouf | ponyofdeath: even just doing the 1st 64 sectors should suffice |
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| 18:19.33 | EmleyMoor | Can gdm support more than one possible keyboard layout at login time? |
| 18:19.36 | enouf | Kovensky: -> <ponyofdeath> hi, im trying to clear the whole disk before partitioning |
| 18:19.53 | Kovensky | enouf: read the whole line |
| 18:19.57 | Kovensky | in my preseed file does anyone know how i can do that? |
| 18:20.01 | Kovensky | "in my preseed file does anyone know how i can do that?" |
| 18:20.21 | enouf | so, run a command to do it - what's the big deal? |
| 18:20.34 | enouf | put a fucken dd command in the script |
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| 18:21.17 | enouf | Kovensky: learn english ;-) |
| 18:21.38 | Kovensky | enouf: I didn't suggest that because I don't know if the preseed file is a shellscript or something else |
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| 18:22.20 | enouf | Kovensky: ask the kid to clarify, obviously they could also use some classes ;-) |
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| 18:25.18 | dudeman | ç¥åæ |
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| 18:25.28 | dqn | question - I want everything piped to my script to go trough iconv, also want everything it spews out to go trough iconv. Any tips? |
| 18:25.29 | _Sam-- | abrotman : when i change sshd_config to use UseLogin yes instead of6c UseLogin no i can snoop the people, but they dont get the shell prompt. |
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| 18:25.53 | dudeman | is xmodmap the only way to turn off middle paste? |
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| 18:26.09 | dqn | and when I say go trough I conv I mean piped |
| 18:26.12 | dudeman | what if you don't have a middle paste button, on mouse, how to paste from buffer then? |
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| 18:27.42 | dqn | I know how to convert stuff that gets "piped in" in my script: cat - | iconv -f utf8 -t eucjp |
| 18:27.50 | dqn | I don't know how to convert everything it spews out |
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| 18:27.55 | dqn | it's in bash |
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| 18:29.05 | simonrvn | you don't need to cat anything for iconv |
| 18:29.30 | dqn | yeah I know, I'm just used to piping |
| 18:29.36 | simonrvn | why are catting cat's stdin? |
| 18:29.41 | simonrvn | are you* |
| 18:29.54 | dqn | just a nasty habbit, sorry |
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| 18:30.05 | dqn | oh wait |
| 18:30.17 | dqn | it's not cat's stdin, it's in a bash script |
| 18:30.49 | dqn | so if I do echo "test" | myscript.sh it will do something with the string "test" |
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| 18:31.12 | euzao | which is the best for a desktop user? Lenny, Etch or Sid? |
| 18:31.19 | dqn | sorry I don't know all the terminology, I understand code (sort of) but don't know how to talk about it |
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| 18:32.06 | gurugentoo | hi, what is the standard way of turning on/off the wifi antenna power? |
| 18:32.12 | SamuraiDio | euzao, Stable, if you don't wanna deal with bugs... Unstable, if you wanna latest packages, Testing if you wanna help with the next stable release |
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| 18:32.29 | euzao | I see |
| 18:32.36 | euzao | SamuraiDio which are you using? |
| 18:32.51 | Minoru | euzao, i think Lenny. It's stable (don't think that if Lenny now "unstable" than it's really unstable) and have newest soft than in Etch. |
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| 18:33.19 | Minoru | etch for servers, i think |
| 18:33.24 | SamuraiDio | euzao, i do use testing+unstable (but i don't recommend mix versions, unless you know exaclty what you are doing) |
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| 18:34.19 | SamuraiDio | euzao, actually: Etch = stable, Lenny = testing |
| 18:34.23 | Malf | euzao: I have a testing/unstable mix as well but my view is that you should go for stable unless it is missing some software/functionality that they really need |
| 18:34.29 | SamuraiDio | euzao, always: Sid = unstable |
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| 18:35.07 | Malf | Eulex: And now that etch is stable I'd say that it has most of what people tend to want, for a desktop at least. I haven't dealt with wireless so I'm not sure on that front |
| 18:35.09 | SamuraiDio | euzao, as Malf says... should be better to try stable and check if it fits you |
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| 18:35.13 | Malf | err.. |
| 18:35.20 | Malf | that should've been to euzao |
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| 18:36.09 | tMish | Which apt- command downloads *.deb package for a packege whch has unmet dependencies ? |
| 18:36.11 | euzao | Lenny will have support for wireless, true? |
| 18:36.22 | SamuraiDio | Malf, well, the answer fits for him also :P |
| 18:36.45 | SamuraiDio | euzao, even Etch, it just depends on your hardware |
| 18:36.54 | euzao | I have a Pentium III |
| 18:36.55 | euzao | old |
| 18:36.58 | euzao | normal conection |
| 18:37.03 | wols | euzao: etch already has support for it |
| 18:37.14 | SamuraiDio | euzao, you can use backports to get recent hardware support (i recommend use a newer kernel even in Etch) |
| 18:37.17 | wols | but: if your card needs proprietary firmwar it won't work out of the box |
| 18:37.44 | wols | tMish: none. fix the dependencies. or tell us what you want to do and why |
| 18:37.54 | SamuraiDio | euzao, in the worst case you can use ndiswrapper... Wireless is not a real problem at all |
| 18:38.13 | euzao | I don't have wireless |
| 18:38.23 | jelly | euzao: stable will work on a P3 |
| 18:38.26 | euzao | but I was wondering if I could install it in the future hehe |
| 18:38.39 | amaldo | Is there a way to get a list of all the packages that I have installed with aptitude or apt-get manually (without all the dependencies that got installed automatically) ? I want to install a new machine, and suspect that the old method of dpkg --get-selections and set-selections looses the information about which packages got installed because I wanted, and which others only to satisfy dependencies. |
| 18:38.43 | SamuraiDio | ...but i'm not sure about WPA support |
| 18:38.50 | euzao | and what about playing games, like Enemy Territory or Tremulous? |
| 18:39.01 | wols | euzao: sure you can |
| 18:39.08 | SamuraiDio | euzao, if they are linux games no problem |
| 18:39.17 | euzao | wols which one do you use? |
| 18:39.21 | enouf | dudeman: no middle paste? how about shift+insert? |
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| 18:39.35 | wols | euzao: don't take polls |
| 18:40.23 | simonrvn | amaldo: it doesn't keep track of that, no. only aptitude does. |
| 18:40.53 | amaldo | simonrvn: and can I extract the list from aptitude somehow? |
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| 18:41.52 | simonrvn | dunno, i just use dpkg --{set,get}-selections |
| 18:41.58 | abrotman | oh he left |
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| 18:47.38 | SamuraiDio | amaldo, aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M |
| 18:47.47 | _Sam-- | abrotman : could i pay you to make ttysnoop/ttysnoops work over ssh? im really desperate to get on with it. |
| 18:47.58 | jelly | spots a missing quote |
| 18:47.59 | abrotman | _Sam--: oh i thought you left |
| 18:48.08 | SamuraiDio | amaldo, To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 18:48.13 | enouf | amaldo: what difference does it make, you need the depends anyway |
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| 18:48.20 | _Sam-- | nah, just back and forth compiling and recompiling again. |
| 18:48.20 | abrotman | _Sam--: i already have a job .. if you change their shell .. and then snoop normally .. it works ? |
| 18:48.29 | enouf | amaldo: if you asked about Recommends, that's different |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | what about running the ttysnoops from their .bash_profile ? |
| 18:48.46 | amaldo | SamuraiDio: thanks, trying it out right now. |
| 18:48.48 | Jarth | hi there, where should i look for help on wlan (ipw2200) ? |
| 18:48.54 | abrotman | _Sam--: (also, i'm working on a bunch of stuff here.. so don't think i'm ignoring oyu) |
| 18:49.07 | SamuraiDio | this text i just told was from the bot, but i can't find the keyword |
| 18:49.10 | enouf | silly fools |
| 18:49.12 | _Sam-- | you are saying just try to chsh to /sbin/ttysnoops? |
| 18:49.49 | jelly | amaldo, SamuraiDio: that was from /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 18:50.04 | SamuraiDio | jelly, |
| 18:50.07 | SamuraiDio | jelly, thanks |
| 18:50.15 | jelly | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg listvalues some text from a factoid |
| 18:50.19 | SamuraiDio | !tell amaldo about aptitude clone |
| 18:50.26 | enouf | listvals |
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| 18:50.56 | jelly | don't correct me, bitch |
| 18:50.57 | amaldo | SamuraiDio: jelly: Perfect. It does exactly what I needed. Thanks for the help. I did not see this in the aptitude manpage, or in the reference manual. |
| 18:50.59 | abrotman | _Sam--: run it in the background ? |
| 18:51.00 | jelly | !slap enouf |
| 18:51.00 | _Sam-- | changing the shell doesnt work. |
| 18:51.00 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across enouf's face |
| 18:51.12 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: what are you trying to do with ttysnoop? |
| 18:51.18 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : HI! |
| 18:51.22 | _Sam-- | tying to snoop a consultant. |
| 18:51.22 | enouf | haha, you punch like a schoolgirl |
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| 18:51.24 | _Sam-- | over ssh. |
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| 18:51.33 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : i been meaning to get in touch with you, too. |
| 18:51.55 | jelly | amaldo: install aptitude-doc-en, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 18:52.04 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: if you just want to see what they're doing, and they agree, use screen -x; if they don't, just run it as root over their pty |
| 18:52.08 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : i got ttysnoop snooping...but when the consultant logs in via ssh, he gets a pssword prompt, i can then sniff him, but the user never gets dropped to s hell prompt. |
| 18:52.22 | jelly | amaldo: the search syntax is powerful if a bit ugly |
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| 18:52.39 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : got 5-30 minutes to check it out for pay? |
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| 18:52.49 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: actually, I'm sitting in on a talk right this second |
| 18:52.59 | _Sam-- | i have someone new and untrusted doing some work on the box, making me nervous. |
| 18:53.07 | _Sam-- | they arent doing your kind of work.... |
| 18:53.14 | _Sam-- | a new guy helping remotely with some PHP. |
| 18:53.39 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: oh; actually, if they don't actually need ssh, that's the best way to go |
| 18:53.46 | SamuraiDio | amaldo, you are limiting the search results, it's not a common task |
| 18:54.02 | _Sam-- | i recompiled ssh to use the ttysnoop login...and like i said, i can sniff them after they type their password, and that works fine... |
| 18:54.14 | _Sam-- | but they dont get to their proper shell ever, it just hangs after password entry. |
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| 18:55.13 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : as a rough howto, i referred to this and some others: http://serverlinux.blogspot.com/2007/04/configure-ttysnoop-with-ssh-in-suse-or.html |
| 18:55.20 | _Sam-- | (there isnt much too it) |
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| 18:55.42 | _Sam-- | and its this setting in my sshd_config that makes or breaks the whole thing: UseLogin yes |
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| 18:56.40 | jelly | _Sam--: have you tried stracing sshd to see what happens with ttysnoops and the shell (once the user logs in), yet? |
| 18:57.13 | jelly | _Sam--: nb, you could temporarily run a second sshd on a different port for testing |
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| 19:01.22 | _Sam-- | jelly: thanks for the thoughts, i have not tried the strace. |
| 19:01.33 | enouf | Sam-- guessing here, but seen /etc/default/ssh ? ..i doubt the DELAYLOGIN=yes in /etc/default/rcS matters, but |
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| 19:01.54 | simonrvn | it does iirc |
| 19:01.59 | enouf | other than that, /etc/login.defs or /etc/pam.d/* |
| 19:02.12 | _Sam-- | enouf : my default/ssh is blank. |
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| 19:02.19 | _Sam-- | # Options to pass to sshd |
| 19:02.19 | _Sam-- | SSHD_OPTS= |
| 19:02.24 | enouf | same here |
| 19:02.40 | enouf | it tells you the init.d/ssh file parses it |
| 19:03.50 | pumpkin0 | i'm trying to install vmware but cannot build the vmware kernel module. the right kernel-header are installed, the gcc-version matches the kernel. Now it fails somewhere in the makefiles => http://rafb.net/p/GrqhKw31.html . What next ? |
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| 19:07.08 | groton | any troubleshoting guide on using gnash+iceweasel on debian/lenny? I cant watch flash movies in my iceweasel browser :/ |
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| 19:07.54 | _Sam-- | also, totally seperate....i have some debian servers in a computer closet...are there any programs that would make the onboard speaker play what sounds like the organ player at a hockey or baseball game playing the "CHARGE" tune... im sorry i cant describe the tune/sound/song better. |
| 19:08.12 | _Sam-- | its like the 'revelry' song, but its the 'charge' song |
| 19:08.23 | Malf | groton: This may not apply any longer but back when I had gnash+iceweasel I seem to recall that the flash support wasn't all the way there so it was between hard and impossible to get some flash movies up and running |
| 19:08.29 | Malf | That was a few months back though |
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| 19:09.03 | groton | Malf, :/ |
| 19:09.53 | _Sam-- | this is the sound coming out of the server's speaker: |
| 19:09.54 | _Sam-- | http://www.brandens.net/download.php?f=sGmJB8whu9kAh0pkUIaL6zLDljIENq%2FbilNlQ9SdADI%3D |
| 19:10.30 | dudeman | enouf, shift + insert pastes from clipboard not selectionbuffer |
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| 19:10.48 | dudeman | enouf, I have the two seperated in kde |
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| 19:11.03 | dudeman | enouf, in klipper that is |
| 19:11.16 | _Sam-- | im sorry, this is acutllay the sound :) |
| 19:11.17 | _Sam-- | man> enouf, shift + insert pastes from clipboard not selectionbuffer |
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| 19:11.20 | _Sam-- | er |
| 19:11.28 | dudeman | heh |
| 19:11.32 | _Sam-- | http://www.brandens.net/download.php?f=sGmJB8whu9kAh0pkUIaL6zLDljIENq%2FbilNlQ9SdADI%3D |
| 19:11.57 | _Sam-- | the people working by the server say they here that randomly every so often. |
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| 19:13.19 | enouf | pumpkin0: try passing it [/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build/] instead of with the /include tacked on |
| 19:13.24 | DomCyrus | hi, what is the best way to add /usr/local/lib system wide? |
| 19:13.35 | DomCyrus | add it into /etc/profile? |
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| 19:13.57 | DomCyrus | like this export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib"? |
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| 19:14.05 | enouf | pumpkin0: actually, point it at teh /usr/src/`uname -r`-headers/ dir |
| 19:14.30 | pumpkin0 | enouf: trying ... takes some time to execute. |
| 19:14.31 | enouf | maybe /etc/environments? |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | DomCyrus: should already be in your /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* |
| 19:14.40 | enouf | erm, remove teh s |
| 19:14.55 | enouf | abrotman: that's for building ;-) |
| 19:15.12 | enouf | DomCyrus: add it to the beginning of all user's PATHs ;-) |
| 19:15.14 | abrotman | doh |
| 19:15.29 | abrotman | goes back to doing what he should be doing |
| 19:15.44 | dudeman | hey boyos, how to paste from selection with the keyboard ? or no middle mouse (2 button mouse) |
| 19:15.49 | enouf | then you can edit/tweak /etc/default/useradd for all future users maybe |
| 19:16.01 | DomCyrus | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:16.42 | pumpkin0 | enouf: same error no matter which directory i pass. it is inside the linux-header makefile. |
| 19:16.43 | EightEleven | dudeman: ctrl+c, ctrl+v ? |
| 19:16.59 | dudeman | EightEleven, thats from clipboard not selection buffer :o |
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| 19:17.12 | Sam-Ho | Note to self, remove 'Sam' from HL list |
| 19:17.19 | enouf | why does Sam-- always die on me? |
| 19:17.24 | dudeman | I'm saying when you hilight text with the mouse, it goes into a seperate buffer (NOT clipboard) |
| 19:17.28 | simonrvn | left+right at same time |
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| 19:17.30 | _Sam-- | im not dead. |
| 19:17.33 | dudeman | simonrvn, oh |
| 19:17.36 | enouf | Sam--: oh, your stupid |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | you're ? |
| 19:17.48 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 19:17.50 | _Sam-- | thanks. |
| 19:17.54 | dudeman | hm |
| 19:17.54 | Sam-Ho | Lol |
| 19:17.55 | enouf | Sam-- /mag dpkg bell |
| 19:18.12 | Tetracomm | I just reinstalled Debian and it didn't ask me to create a user account, I cannot log into Debian at all now, help? |
| 19:18.12 | dudeman | simonrvn, I use Konsole in I just get a right click context menu when I hit both left+right |
| 19:18.24 | dudeman | simonrvn, is there a keyboard shortcut for this? |
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| 19:18.53 | _Sam-- | enouf : for someone so smart, you have come up short on solving my questions. |
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| 19:19.01 | dudeman | Tetracomm, can you get in via root console? recovery mode |
| 19:19.06 | enouf | dudeman: the left+right is an xorg.conf Emulate3Buttons "Yes" thiing |
| 19:19.14 | dudeman | enouf, I have it |
| 19:19.19 | enouf | Sam-Ho: i suck |
| 19:19.23 | dudeman | enouf, but in Konsole it gives a menu |
| 19:19.24 | Tetracomm | dudeman, I don't know: But, it is asking me for a username and password which I don't know. |
| 19:19.25 | dudeman | let me try xterm |
| 19:19.30 | Sam-Ho | NO U-wait |
| 19:19.32 | Sam-Ho | that doesnt work here |
| 19:19.33 | Sam-Ho | :< |
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| 19:19.37 | enouf | and i don;t use _ to start nicks - that's two keys too many |
| 19:19.41 | dudeman | oh perhaps i don't have emulate 3 buttons |
| 19:19.42 | dudeman | doh |
| 19:19.54 | dudeman | enouf, but whats the keyboard shortcut from pasting from slection buffer? |
| 19:20.02 | dudeman | pretend I don't use a mouse |
| 19:20.04 | dudeman | :D |
| 19:20.45 | jelly | you can't have anything _in_ the selection without a mouse :-> |
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| 19:21.19 | enouf | if you disable pcspkr and snd-pcsp or whatever it's called the silly system piezo can't play tunes :-P I have an old world mac that has a Robotic voice on bootup - and it's not even a girl :-/ |
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| 19:21.43 | enouf | dudeman: man console_codes |
| 19:21.48 | simonrvn | pcspkr is the useful one (FSVO) |
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| 19:22.06 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:22.10 | enouf | dudeman: or .. try the typical ctrl-v |
| 19:22.15 | _Sam-- | i didnt even know if what i heard is from debian, linux, or had to do with hardware trouble. what i heard is part of system tones? |
| 19:22.28 | dudeman | jelly, well i meant to paste with |
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| 19:22.36 | Tetracomm | I need to login urgently. |
| 19:22.46 | Tetracomm | I can't stay on this live cd. |
| 19:22.59 | simonrvn | so why are you here telling us? |
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| 19:24.03 | enouf | abrotman: i think you were correct with the library path thing, my bad |
| 19:24.14 | jelly | Tetracomm: log in as root, create a normal user with adduser, set the password with passwd username |
| 19:24.17 | Tetracomm | Because Debian Etch did not ask me to create a user account during the installation and it is now asking me for a username and password that I don't know. |
| 19:24.30 | Tetracomm | I cannot log in at all, with any account. |
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| 19:24.45 | jelly | Tetracomm: then use /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 19:24.47 | simonrvn | so, make a user. /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 19:25.04 | Elite|Jeti | Does Debian have a GUI? |
| 19:25.18 | jelly | Tetracomm: if you have a livecd booted, you can easily mount your debian system and change anyone's password |
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| 19:25.28 | JesseL627 | I am in need of some graphic work for an upcoming business of mine. I will be paying per image, the price will range from $10-$100 depending on the actual work. Anyone interested? PM me. |
| 19:25.50 | simonrvn | Elite|Jeti: no, i'm just imagining things and typing into this imaginary window. |
| 19:25.55 | zinx | JesseL627: wrong place to ask :x |
| 19:26.19 | simonrvn | JesseL627: this isn't craigslist |
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| 19:26.39 | enouf | dudeman: i don't know, but whenever i copy by highlighting with the mouse here, that goes directly into the clipboard (klipper) buffer |
| 19:26.42 | jelly | maybe it's debian-related graphics! |
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| 19:27.11 | nikkr | hello |
| 19:27.13 | nikkr | how can I list all cron jobs for user root ? |
| 19:27.17 | dudeman | enouf, go to klipper options and look at the last checkbox i think |
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| 19:27.34 | dudeman | there is "ignore selection" |
| 19:27.37 | simonrvn | man 8 crontab |
| 19:27.43 | enouf | dudeman: only certain stupid assed PDFs and such which don't allow copying because Corps like ASUS have no fucken clue how to make PDFs nor make a website dont' work |
| 19:27.45 | dudeman | and there is "seperate clipboard and selection" |
| 19:27.56 | dudeman | huh? |
| 19:28.10 | enouf | i have klipper in the tray all the time |
| 19:28.12 | dudeman | put down the crackpipe... |
| 19:28.16 | dudeman | enouf, me too |
| 19:28.26 | enouf | so learn how to use it you weenie |
| 19:28.29 | enouf | mine works |
| 19:28.34 | dudeman | enouf, I have it set to seperate clipboard and selection buffer |
| 19:28.43 | nikkr | simonrvn: No entry for crontab in section 8 of the manual |
| 19:28.43 | dudeman | when I select I don't want it to go to clipboard |
| 19:28.54 | enouf | you suck ass |
| 19:28.58 | simonrvn | enable 3-button emulation in xorg.conf already an restart x |
| 19:29.03 | enouf | put it back you tool |
| 19:29.13 | dudeman | enouf, now, when I hilight, it goes into selection buffer, I want to paste the contents of the selection buffer using the keybaord |
| 19:29.17 | dudeman | THAT is my question |
| 19:29.19 | jelly | dudeman: the crackpipe needed to be put down 20 or so years ago when they were designing X |
| 19:29.24 | simonrvn | sorry 1 not 8 |
| 19:29.28 | dudeman | is that possible, and if so, what is the keybaord shortcut? |
| 19:29.30 | enouf | dudeman: NO are you deaf! |
| 19:29.36 | zinx | enouf: chill |
| 19:29.37 | enouf | put it back! |
| 19:29.39 | simonrvn | nikkr: ^^^ |
| 19:29.57 | jelly | enouf: actually there's that mouse-emulation-on-keypad thing |
| 19:30.01 | enouf | dudeman: there is no fucken selection crap |
| 19:30.04 | dudeman | there has GOT to be a keyboard shortcut for this on the keyboard |
| 19:30.13 | enouf | so stop smoking that glue |
| 19:30.14 | jelly | dudeman: there isn't by default |
| 19:30.18 | simonrvn | i was pretty sure it was a user command, not system |
| 19:30.26 | dudeman | enouf, if you don't calm down now I'm gonna hurt you! |
| 19:30.32 | enouf | haha |
| 19:30.43 | Tetracomm | jelly: How? |
| 19:30.55 | dudeman | jelly, oh there is no kb shortcut by default huh |
| 19:31.03 | dudeman | jelly, ok, no problem, how can I set one up? |
| 19:31.33 | Elite|Jeti | Does debian NEED to be conneted to the internet in order to install? |
| 19:31.40 | extor | Is there any reason that SATA drives show up as SCSI devices in linux? It sorta prevents me from running IDE diagnostic tools to troubleshoot devices |
| 19:31.42 | dudeman | Elite|Jeti, no |
| 19:32.00 | path_ | only if you chose bussiness card Elite|Jeti |
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| 19:32.09 | Nibbl | extor: well, they are not ide.... but all tools should run on sda as they would on hda i guess... |
| 19:32.14 | dudeman | Elite|Jeti, if you have the cds/dvds then no. If doing hd-media install and you have the iso no. If you are installing using netinstall or netboot then yes. |
| 19:32.21 | dudeman | well, still no |
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| 19:32.40 | Elite|Jeti | I can't seem to get it to install in a vm |
| 19:32.42 | dudeman | Elite|Jeti, because you can always tell the installer to go to a local repo you've setup |
| 19:32.47 | path_ | netinstall doesnt require internet dudeman |
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| 19:32.52 | enouf | dudeman: may i ask you a simple question? Why don't you want the selection to go into the clipboard? |
| 19:32.55 | dudeman | it doesn't HAVE to be on the net at all to isntall debian as long as you have installation media |
| 19:32.58 | dudeman | of soome sort |
| 19:33.03 | Nibbl | dudeman: i am not sure, but i thought even netinstall would install without net - in a very minimal way, bootable etc. |
| 19:33.12 | dudeman | enouf, becasue thats just like.. you know ... how I work ;) |
| 19:33.19 | Tetracomm | Jelly? |
| 19:33.21 | extor | Nibbl, not so! |
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| 19:33.27 | nkuttler | Nibbl: i don't think base is on netinst |
| 19:33.27 | dudeman | enouf, I wish I could have MORE diff seperate clipboards |
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| 19:33.36 | enouf | dudeman: dude - my clipboard buffer is 5000 |
| 19:33.36 | Elite|Jeti | Can anyone help me install in aa vm? |
| 19:33.47 | enouf | dudeman: did you know you could search it? |
| 19:33.50 | dudeman | enouf, yeh, but you have to go reselect whats in it to paste it |
| 19:34.00 | enouf | ... |
| 19:34.14 | dudeman | enouf, I want simultanously more than 1 things in a clipboard hat I can paste 1 with one shortcut, and 2 with another shortcut |
| 19:34.18 | dudeman | see |
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| 19:34.22 | wols | Elite|Jeti: ask your real question |
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| 19:34.50 | wols | Elite|Jeti: what debian iso did you download? |
| 19:34.57 | Elite|Jeti | wols: I did |
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| 19:35.15 | wols | Elite|Jeti: except for the business card debian doesn't need a network connection to install |
| 19:35.17 | dudeman | if klipper has a function where something like ctrl+shift+1 pastes the 1st entry in klipper buffer, ctrl+shift+2 pastes the 2nd item in the klipper buffer etc. etc. then I could probably do that |
| 19:35.21 | wols | Elite|Jeti: then what is your error? |
| 19:35.22 | Elite|Jeti | The 3 dvd ones |
| 19:35.29 | dudeman | enouf, see what I mean? |
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| 19:35.31 | enouf | dudeman: use win98, i think i recall a tool like that :-P |
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| 19:35.39 | dudeman | lol shaddup |
| 19:35.42 | enouf | dumbass |
| 19:35.48 | dudeman | grampa |
| 19:35.56 | Elite|Jeti | Loading installer components from cd it says there ws a problem loading them and I am using the iso directly |
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| 19:36.23 | enouf | dudeman: why not just bind all you want in clips to each of the Fn keys? |
| 19:36.33 | dudeman | enouf, how |
| 19:36.33 | enouf | or something |
| 19:36.38 | enouf | ... |
| 19:36.45 | Elite|Jeti | Loading installer components from cd it says there ws a problem loading them and I am using the iso directly |
| 19:36.57 | enouf | go dive in kcontrol .. i don't know how offhand |
| 19:37.02 | dudeman | enouf, go to klipper config, nothing there like that |
| 19:37.07 | dudeman | ok I'll ask in #kde |
| 19:37.11 | wols | Elite|Jeti: what VM is it? |
| 19:37.14 | enouf | dudeman: accessibilty and shit |
| 19:37.24 | wols | Elite|Jeti: and which debian version did you get? |
| 19:37.24 | dudeman | but I still want to know how to setup a keyboard shortcut to paste from selection buffer |
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| 19:37.31 | dudeman | thats still a debian thing isn't it? |
| 19:37.39 | IamSOG | could someone help me take a look, I wonder if these patches will work on 4.0 http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/ |
| 19:37.44 | d0uglas | I have a server in a place that's under renovation and the power may be cut for a few days so I set up another in a different location, different ISP. I have a lot of domains with NS records to the current IP and it would be a pain to redirect all of them when the power goes down. Is it possible for my ISP to somehow have my IP aliased or redirected to the IP of the backup server? that would save me a lot of trouble. |
| 19:37.58 | Elite|Jeti | wols: 40r4a-i386 |
| 19:38.16 | wols | d0uglas: not a debian issue |
| 19:38.19 | enouf | dudeman: kcontrol > Regional And Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts? |
| 19:38.31 | d0uglas | ah.. sorry i'll take it somewhere else |
| 19:38.31 | dudeman | i'll take a look |
| 19:38.56 | dudeman | d0uglas, call your isp |
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| 19:39.09 | d0uglas | Good idea, I will. |
| 19:39.57 | dudeman | (that should've been the first thing to come across your mind, call thier tech support, escalate to Tier3 if you need to or higher, give them hell until you get someone competent enough to answer your question) |
| 19:40.17 | Elite|Jeti | wols: 40r4a-i386 |
| 19:41.33 | enouf | dudeman: in there is also the "Input Actions" section .. all that shit confuses the hell out of me |
| 19:41.53 | jelly | Tetracomm: mount your debian root partition, chroot to it and run "passwd" to change root's password |
| 19:42.25 | Tetracomm | Like chroot disk? |
| 19:42.33 | Elite|Jeti | wols: 40r4a-i386 |
| 19:42.38 | enouf | chroot /mnt/point |
| 19:42.52 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 19:42.54 | jelly | Tetracomm: do you know what is your debian root partition? |
| 19:42.57 | enouf | you have to mount it rw first |
| 19:43.02 | enouf | or remount it rw |
| 19:43.16 | jelly | apparently he's using a livecd now |
| 19:43.19 | wols | Elite|Jeti: I've seen it. I asked you something, how about answering for a change? |
| 19:43.22 | Tetracomm | Password updated. |
| 19:43.26 | Tetracomm | :( |
| 19:43.29 | wols | Elite|Jeti: several things instead |
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| 19:43.34 | wols | s/instead/actually |
| 19:43.37 | jelly | Tetracomm: why the sad face? |
| 19:43.43 | JesseL627 | I am in need of some graphic work for an upcoming business of mine. I will be paying per image, the price will range from $10-$100 depending on the actual work. Anyone interested? PM me. |
| 19:43.52 | Tetracomm | Someone said that I would have to remount it. |
| 19:43.59 | JesseL627 | Any graphic artists want to make about $100 in 20 minutes? PM Me. |
| 19:44.00 | Tetracomm | I don't have to? |
| 19:44.17 | jelly | Tetracomm: it wouldn't have worked if it was mounted read-only |
| 19:44.20 | wols | JesseL627: go away. stop your spam |
| 19:44.41 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 19:44.45 | jelly | Tetracomm: the remounting step is needed if you boot that system itself using the /msg dpkg ifrp procedure |
| 19:44.47 | Elite|Jeti | wols: I didn't see anything, the last thing I seen was what version did I download |
| 19:45.00 | wols | Elite|Jeti: then read harder. |
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| 19:45.20 | werwolf | hi, will be Openoffice 3.0 soon in the repository? |
| 19:45.28 | werwolf | now is it final |
| 19:45.36 | jelly | Tetracomm: because it get mounted read-only that way. If you mounted it from a livecd without any options, it got mounted read-write |
| 19:45.39 | wols | werwolf: not after lenny is released |
| 19:45.47 | Tetracomm | Jelly: It seems to be read only. What would the root username be? I don't know what it is |
| 19:45.49 | wols | *not until |
| 19:45.56 | Eulex | werwolf, rc4 is in experimental |
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| 19:45.58 | wols | Tetracomm: root username? |
| 19:46.03 | jelly | Tetracomm: "seems to be"? |
| 19:46.06 | wols | root's username is root, duh |
| 19:46.10 | BleSS | where install a java library when there is not a package for it? |
| 19:46.12 | werwolf | Eulex: the final has been released today |
| 19:46.16 | werwolf | I am on SID |
| 19:46.17 | Elite|Jeti | wols: there is nothing else |
| 19:46.21 | wols | BleSS: in your classpath |
| 19:46.24 | Tetracomm | .Ok. |
| 19:46.29 | Eulex | werwolf, I know. |
| 19:46.31 | wols | Elite|Jeti: talk to me again when you read it and have the answers. goodbye |
| 19:46.51 | werwolf | when can i expect lenny? 8-) |
| 19:46.57 | jelly | werwolf: oh dear, a software released today is not yet in debian! alert everyone! |
| 19:47.03 | wols | !tell werwolf about wwlr |
| 19:47.07 | Elite|Jeti | wols: read what? |
| 19:47.15 | wols | Elite|Jeti: what I asked you. |
| 19:47.29 | Eulex | werwolf, sooner if you help. |
| 19:47.32 | werwolf | jelly: my question was when I can expect it to be there |
| 19:47.45 | werwolf | Eulex: sorry, I would like, but I am not able to |
| 19:47.47 | Tetracomm | and then I would login to root and create a new normal user account, right? |
| 19:47.47 | werwolf | sorry |
| 19:48.00 | jelly | Tetracomm: yes. |
| 19:48.05 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
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| 19:48.21 | Tetracomm | Jelly: So since I did that passwd thing, everything should be fine now? |
| 19:48.30 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/1226163 <--- Does it look like my drive is failing here? |
| 19:48.33 | Elite|Jeti | wols: you didn't tell me anything |
| 19:48.52 | jelly | Tetracomm: now you know root's password, that's enough to get you in after you reboot into debian |
| 19:48.53 | Eulex | werwolf, there's currently too many release-blocking bugs. a release will be done when these have been decreased to 0. |
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| 19:49.18 | Tetracomm | http://pastebin.com/d61014ec1 |
| 19:49.20 | werwolf | Eulex: thank you very much for your human answer |
| 19:49.21 | Tetracomm | You're certain? |
| 19:49.22 | werwolf | :) |
| 19:49.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.45 | JesseL627 | Any graphic artists want to make about $100 in 20 minutes? PM Me. |
| 19:49.47 | Eulex | :) |
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| 19:49.51 | jelly | Tetracomm: yes. exit the chroot shell, umount /disk, reboot |
| 19:49.59 | wols | JesseL627: stop or you might get kicked |
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| 19:50.05 | Tetracomm | Ok, why do I need to umount /disk? |
| 19:50.09 | jelly | Tetracomm: er, /media/disk; you know what I meant |
| 19:50.54 | wols | Tetracomm: you don't usually. you can remount it |
| 19:50.54 | jelly | Tetracomm: also, there was no need for "sudo passwd", you were told to run "passwd" |
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| 19:51.09 | jelly | wols: he's booted a livecd |
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| 19:51.15 | wols | jelly: and? |
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| 19:51.30 | wols | -o remount suddenly not working udner a live cd? |
| 19:51.37 | Tetracomm | oops |
| 19:51.44 | jelly | wols: and what purpose does remounting the debian root fs serve, when he's already changed the root pass? |
| 19:51.47 | giwe | How do I RTP unicast an MPEG TS using vlc in the command line? |
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| 19:52.06 | gnusosa | giwe, have you tried mencoder? |
| 19:52.26 | enouf | ask #vlc or #videolan or whatever it is |
| 19:52.39 | jelly | wols: I told him to umount and reboot. "remount' made no sense at this point |
| 19:52.47 | wols | jelly: he cannot unmount root fs either... |
| 19:53.06 | wols | jelly: umount neither when he reboots. the reboot does that very well |
| 19:53.06 | enouf | slowly steps back |
| 19:53.17 | jelly | wols: it's mounted at /media/disk currently. please read your lastlog |
| 19:53.32 | jelly | prefers umounting explicitely |
| 19:53.50 | enouf | removes the extra 'e' |
| 19:54.04 | jelly | nouf! |
| 19:54.09 | enouf | awaits the slap from honey ;-) |
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| 19:56.53 | click170 | Hey is there any way to tell which repository a package upgrade is coming from? Without going through and disabling them one by one? |
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| 19:57.46 | jelly | click170: apt-cache policy packagename will provide clues |
| 19:57.50 | wols | click170: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 19:58.01 | click170 | Thankyou |
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| 19:59.54 | IamSOG | could someone help me take a look, I wonder if this old Debian blue tooth patch will work on Debian 4.0 ? http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/ |
| 20:00.37 | Elite|Jeti | Can anyone not be an asshole and help me install debian to a vm? |
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| 20:01.32 | Malf | Elite|Jeti: Sorry, but those are exclusive services |
| 20:01.32 | IamSOG | Elite|Jeti I would love to help you, but I have no idea how to do that :D |
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| 20:02.11 | JPT | what kind of vm are you using ? |
| 20:02.15 | Elite|Jeti | Figures |
| 20:02.25 | JPT | *blinks* |
| 20:02.32 | JPT | that's an vm ? *googles* |
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| 20:02.56 | Elite|Jeti | This is why windows is better, you are able to get more and bettter support..... |
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| 20:03.09 | Elite|Jeti | JPT: I am using Microsoft Virtual PC 08 |
| 20:03.13 | JPT | oh |
| 20:03.14 | JPT | mhh |
| 20:03.16 | JPT | i know that |
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| 20:03.25 | JPT | i started to install debian once |
| 20:03.29 | JPT | and it did not boot |
| 20:03.31 | Kovensky | Elite|Jeti: just give the VM the install iso |
| 20:03.37 | Kovensky | and use the VM like a regular PC |
| 20:03.40 | Kovensky | it couldn't be easier :/ |
| 20:03.43 | JPT | lol |
| 20:03.59 | JPT | The easier the answer, the less content is inside |
| 20:04.01 | Kovensky | not sure about VPC |
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| 20:04.07 | JPT | *g* |
| 20:04.13 | Kovensky | but it works in VirtualBox-OSE and VMWare |
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| 20:04.27 | JPT | Microsoft VPC is a bit different.. |
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| 20:04.32 | Elite|Jeti | Kovensky: I am but I am getting an error |
| 20:04.33 | jelly | IamSOG: what problem exactly do you have with bluetooth? which debian release are you running? |
| 20:04.41 | Kovensky | Elite|Jeti: what error? |
| 20:04.43 | wols | Kovensky: works in VPC too. but he is unable to provide errors upon request. how is ne supposed to help? |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | JPT: less enter key please |
| 20:05.14 | enouf | double checks the dudeman within |
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| 20:05.24 | enouf | +for |
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| 20:06.37 | jorymcdaniel12 | I'm having trouble getting this wifi card to work after doing as instructed by dpkg's madwifi-install factoid. 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) the dmesg output is here: http://rafb.net/p/iJIX6Q21.html |
| 20:06.49 | Elite|Jeti | Kovensky: it is telling me that its having trouble reading from the DVD, but its reading right from the ISO |
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| 20:07.00 | et | "Need to get 239MB/240MB of archives." - what do the two numbers mean? |
| 20:07.00 | IamSOG | jelly I am running Debian 4.0 and my bluetooth is not working... it's like I have a plug and play button on my laptop, so I found that pach on that web page, I wonder if it will work |
| 20:07.10 | jelly | IamSOG: what patch? |
| 20:07.23 | Kovensky | Elite|Jeti: corrupted iso? |
| 20:07.27 | Elite|Jeti | Kovensky: it is telling me that its having trouble reading from the DVD, but its reading right from the ISO |
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| 20:07.50 | IamSOG | jelly it said it's a "Blue tooth agent" and I might also need to try the transmeta thing too, I can't manually adjust my CPU speed |
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| 20:08.08 | Elite|Jeti | Kovensky: shouldn't be |
| 20:08.14 | jorymcdaniel12 | the first output error is after the module assistant one liner dpkg gave, the 2nd after I unloaded it I ran update-pciids and reloaded |
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| 20:08.39 | jelly | IamSOG: oh, you don't need that, it's useless with today's software |
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| 20:08.58 | IamSOG | oh... um... Guess I won't be able to get my bluetooth to work |
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| 20:09.07 | IamSOG | thanks, I will need to figure a way |
| 20:09.17 | jelly | IamSOG: bluetooth should just work normally |
| 20:09.32 | Malf | Elite|Jeti: Is the ISO actually being run inside VPC as a normal DVD drive |
| 20:09.57 | IamSOG | jelly somehow it doesn't, almost same as the transmeta CPU, I am trying to figure out why |
| 20:10.00 | enouf | IamSOG: bluez pkgs? |
| 20:10.27 | jelly | IamSOG: what are you using to configure bluetooth? |
| 20:10.45 | magellanino | i have a problem with debian and teamspeak |
| 20:10.49 | magellanino | :O |
| 20:10.52 | IamSOG | enouf I have the bluemon and blue tooth insatlled in Synaptic Package manager... maybe I should check the Modules, but I think it auto load at start up |
| 20:10.58 | jelly | IamSOG: have you read /msg dpkg bluetooth ? |
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| 20:11.30 | magellanino | who help me? |
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| 20:11.44 | IamSOG | um... not yet jelly, let me do that... brb |
| 20:11.49 | jelly | !it |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:12.09 | enouf | IamSOG: you might need/want a newer kernel? (/msg dpkg backports.org), but all you need is to update, and find it, and install it |
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| 20:12.38 | wad | I'm a smidge confused regarding cron under debian. I've got /etc/cron.d/ with some files in it, in what appears to be standard cron format. I've also got some files in cron.daily/ cron.weekly/ etc. These don't seem to run. Where should I put my cron jobs? cron.d/ or the other places? |
| 20:12.42 | jelly | enouf: he has hardware that worked with 2.4.20, it's extremely unlikely 2.6.18 is not good enough |
| 20:12.54 | IamSOG | enouf I already have the newest kernel 2.626 I think |
| 20:13.09 | enouf | jelly: oh , ewww |
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| 20:13.17 | jelly | IamSOG: uname -r |
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| 20:13.21 | enouf | IamSOG: OH - ;0 |
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| 20:13.46 | enouf | wad: man 5 crontab |
| 20:13.53 | wad | does it |
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| 20:14.42 | jorymcdaniel12 | nm found a patch for the driver.. this should work |
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| 20:16.10 | IamSOG | jelly thanks for helping, just try apt-get insatll bluez-utils, but got some errors.. I am looking into it now |
| 20:16.34 | IamSOG | but odd, I already have the newest version |
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| 20:16.54 | Malf | wad: man 8 cron seems more useful to me than 5 crontab. At least regarding your question |
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| 20:17.10 | vyrgozunqk | hi guys, i'm using debian lenny, and i have a problem with oss, i can't enable it, if i run alsaconf i get amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory... can you help me ? :/ |
| 20:17.10 | wols | et: first number is how much to download, 2nd number is the size of all packages to be installed |
| 20:17.25 | wols | !teamspeak |
| 20:17.25 | dpkg | somebody said teamspeak was proprietary Voice over IP software that allows users to speak on a chat channel with other users, much like a telephone conference call. A TeamSpeak user will often wear a headset with an integrated microphone. Users use the TeamSpeak client software to connect to a TeamSpeak server of their choice, from there they can join chat channels. |
| 20:17.25 | vyrgozunqk | everything happened after the new kernel update |
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| 20:17.50 | mmlj4 | did you reboot after the update? |
| 20:17.54 | vyrgozunqk | yes |
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| 20:17.57 | et | wols: thanks |
| 20:18.05 | wols | vyrgozunqk: what soundcard? |
| 20:18.07 | vyrgozunqk | but i have normal alsa sound |
| 20:18.23 | vyrgozunqk | snd_via82xx |
| 20:18.25 | wols | vyrgozunqk: then load the oss emulation? |
| 20:18.27 | vyrgozunqk | ac'97 |
| 20:18.44 | vyrgozunqk | alsa-oss i've installed it |
| 20:18.55 | vyrgozunqk | already |
| 20:18.57 | vyrgozunqk | but nothing |
| 20:19.06 | wols | vyrgozunqk: that's not it |
| 20:19.13 | vyrgozunqk | then what ? |
| 20:19.23 | wols | the oss emulation kenrel modules |
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| 20:19.45 | vyrgozunqk | and how to load them ? |
| 20:19.47 | jelly | vyrgozunqk: alsa-oss works by running your app as "aoss programname", and is a userspace library wrapper. wols wants you to modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:20.01 | jelly | (if it's not already there) |
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| 20:20.27 | vyrgozunqk | ok i runned modprob snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:20.28 | enouf | installing alsa-oss does loads those |
| 20:20.31 | vyrgozunqk | and now ? |
| 20:20.43 | jelly | vyrgozunqk: however, those kernel modules often allows only one app to use sound at a time |
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| 20:20.59 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: lsmod |
| 20:21.04 | vyrgozunqk | oh the oss sound camed |
| 20:21.06 | vyrgozunqk | :x |
| 20:21.12 | vyrgozunqk | lsmod |
| 20:21.13 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: lsmod | grep snd_mixer_oss |
| 20:21.20 | enouf | stupid enter key |
| 20:21.28 | enouf | stupid fat fingers |
| 20:21.32 | vyrgozunqk | snd 45604 12 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_ |
| 20:21.42 | enouf | dah |
| 20:21.43 | vyrgozunqk | ideal |
| 20:21.47 | vyrgozunqk | perfect |
| 20:21.52 | vyrgozunqk | tank you a lot guys |
| 20:22.01 | vyrgozunqk | you have a beer from me |
| 20:22.14 | jelly | each one? |
| 20:22.16 | vyrgozunqk | but should i type it every time i run linux |
| 20:22.30 | vyrgozunqk | well, until i run out of money ;D |
| 20:22.37 | enouf | nah - if ever you need to - just add them to /etc/modules |
| 20:22.43 | enouf | but you shouldn't need to |
| 20:22.53 | vyrgozunqk | tank you again :) |
| 20:23.03 | jelly | does your app work now? |
| 20:23.10 | vyrgozunqk | yes |
| 20:23.13 | vyrgozunqk | wine... |
| 20:23.14 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 20:23.43 | vyrgozunqk | but theres another thing in wine i can't select alsa, nothing happens i don't know why |
| 20:23.51 | vyrgozunqk | but i'll use oss ;) |
| 20:23.54 | jelly | vyrgozunqk: is libwine-alsa installed? |
| 20:24.01 | vyrgozunqk | wait to see |
| 20:24.22 | vyrgozunqk | yes |
| 20:24.27 | vyrgozunqk | it's installed |
| 20:25.05 | jelly | vyrgozunqk: and you can't select it with winecfg -> audio tab -> sound drivers? |
| 20:26.33 | vyrgozunqk | i can't |
| 20:26.39 | vyrgozunqk | when i click nothing happens |
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| 20:27.25 | vyrgozunqk | no info in the terminal, no nothing... it stays like i haven't clicked it |
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| 20:27.36 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: not that this will help, but it does also give you alsamixer - install alsa-utils if not installed - also in there is alsaconf |
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| 20:27.41 | jelly | vyrgozunqk: oh well. I've gone away now, maybe someone else wil have an idea |
| 20:28.01 | vyrgozunqk | hmm |
| 20:28.13 | vyrgozunqk | when i run alsaconf |
| 20:28.29 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: i think some games only use oss, not sure - so .. plus, i have to also leave - but others here are very knowledgeable (unlike i ;-)) |
| 20:28.50 | vyrgozunqk | it gets everything ok but this thing : modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:28.57 | vyrgozunqk | ops |
| 20:29.00 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: last thing is /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:29.01 | vyrgozunqk | wrong copu |
| 20:29.04 | vyrgozunqk | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
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| 20:29.54 | enouf | vyrgozunqk: that might be able to be set in Gnome > Preferences > Audio (or preferred applications or sometthing) |
| 20:30.11 | vyrgozunqk | i tried it... |
| 20:32.15 | vyrgozunqk | but the same |
| 20:32.32 | vyrgozunqk | i'm using alsa in gnome and so on only wine is getting me the problem |
| 20:33.35 | Malf | vyrgozunqk: If you do end up figuring it out let me know. I ran itno that issue a while back and I don't think I ever resolved it |
| 20:33.53 | vyrgozunqk | mhm |
| 20:34.20 | vyrgozunqk | ok |
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| 20:40.03 | haxvlia | Dis, vous avez pas une idée de pourquoi la saisie de login/passw de mon GDM se fait en qwerty? |
| 20:40.08 | haxvlia | ups, wrong channel. sorry. |
| 20:41.00 | bolt | what happens if I encrypt an entire partition with encfs? all it has currently is a lost+found directory (ext3). what happens to that directory if I start using that filesystem with encfs? |
| 20:41.16 | bolt | i mean, not making a directory to hold the encrypted filesystem, but actually use the root of the partition |
| 20:41.18 | nkuttler | haxvlia: wrong global locale settings? |
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| 20:42.02 | haxvlia | nkuttler: my locale is french utf8, and there is " Option "XkbLayout" "fr"" in the section "Input Device" on xorg.conf |
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| 20:43.05 | nkuttler | haxvlia: no idea then. |
| 20:43.15 | haxvlia | ok. thanks anyway ;D |
| 20:43.38 | nkuttler | haxvlia: i'd try the gnome language settings maybe |
| 20:44.08 | haxvlia | nkuttler: mh, gnome isn't installed on my box.. :P |
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| 20:44.51 | nkuttler | haxvlia: i use xdm, although i learned a decade ago to use querty-compatible logins & keywords |
| 20:45.11 | JesseL627 | Paying $50 for someone to turn my table layout into an XHTML Strict Layout. PM me. |
| 20:45.30 | n3kl | Anyone know of a good stock market analysis tool for linux? |
| 20:45.36 | nkuttler | JesseL627: try rentacoder or something like that |
| 20:46.02 | JesseL627 | n3kl - www.profitlock.net |
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| 20:46.38 | n3kl | that looks like a service to me |
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| 20:47.18 | MrJK | Somebody have a good english write ? |
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| 20:47.22 | nkuttler | JesseL627: hm, are you aware what #debian is about? |
| 20:47.31 | JesseL627 | Paying $50 for someone to turn my table layout into an XHTML Strict Layout. PM me. |
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| 20:48.57 | zinx | !ops JesseL627 spamming job requests :x |
| 20:48.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: JesseL627 spamming job requests :x |
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| 21:06.27 | torr | what partitioning tools there are beside fdisk? |
| 21:06.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.27 | dryrot | why cant i telnet to localhost? http://pastebin.com/m17965255 |
| 21:07.36 | torr | is one of them good for defining a partition at the end of the disk with size SIZE? |
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| 21:10.30 | wols | torr: all of them are |
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| 21:10.49 | pleed_ | I d like to know how to set static persistent routes in debian, i need a /32 route to my gateway because it s not in my ip net |
| 21:11.01 | _Sam-- | route add? |
| 21:11.14 | format_c | dryrot, because you're trying to telnet to ssh deamon which might be not running |
| 21:11.15 | _Sam-- | maybe in your case, route add -net |
| 21:11.22 | dryrot | format_c: my sshd daemon is running. |
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| 21:11.37 | dryrot | format_c: i can telnet to port 22 on that machine, from another machine on my network |
| 21:11.37 | wols | pleed_: put it in a scrupt and call it from /etc/network/interfaces see man interfaces |
| 21:11.38 | format_c | And you want to telnet to? |
| 21:11.42 | dryrot | yes i do |
| 21:11.57 | format_c | is it listening on all ips? |
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| 21:12.05 | wols | dryrot: netstat -anp |grep 22 |
| 21:12.06 | format_c | netstat -tln |
| 21:12.18 | pleed_ | wols: tried that with post-route route |
| 21:12.48 | _Sam-- | route add -net somenet/32 gw somegwIP |
| 21:12.54 | dryrot | yes it is. actually im trying to figure out why i cannot telnet to any port on my local machine, but i can hit the ports from another machine on the same network. ssh is jsut a test. im really trying to get mysql to work |
| 21:13.31 | wols | why would you need to access mysql via tcpip on a _local_ machine? |
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| 21:13.43 | wols | it listens on a unix socket for that |
| 21:13.47 | format_c | paste the output of the netstat command pls |
| 21:13.58 | _Sam-- | wols: its easier to use localhost than the socket for most things. |
| 21:14.04 | icf7 | OT: How do I release multiple files in a single release on alioth? |
| 21:14.04 | format_c | wols, not always |
| 21:14.06 | dryrot | becuase im doing a highly available thing through heartbeat and ldirectord |
| 21:14.35 | infinity1 | anyone know whats up with iptables? |
| 21:14.43 | stew | icf7: ask #alioth on irc.debian.org |
| 21:14.43 | dryrot | for my purposes today i cannot use a socket |
| 21:14.43 | _Sam-- | no,, whats up with it? |
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| 21:14.45 | infinity1 | i upgraded to etchnhalf and its all F'ed up |
| 21:14.54 | stew | infinity1: you'll have to be more specific |
| 21:15.01 | icf7 | stew: Oops, sry, I'll do that |
| 21:15.16 | infinity1 | stew: i don't really know exactly whats going on ...except that the firewall scripts no longer work |
| 21:15.27 | infinity1 | stew: and that i read some stuff about iptables breaking |
| 21:15.28 | stew | icf7: no reason to apologize, its just that there you have a better chance of getting an answer? :) |
| 21:15.29 | wols | !tell infinity1 about doesn't work |
| 21:15.31 | _Sam-- | probably the kernel doesnt have the right modules. |
| 21:15.44 | stew | infinity1: what makes you think that firewall scripts no longer work? |
| 21:15.44 | _Sam-- | what happens when you try iptables -L |
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| 21:16.25 | infinity1 | stew: after upgrading, things are broken and i can't even ping the alias interface when enabling the firewall |
| 21:16.26 | dryrot | here is my netstat output http://pastebin.com/m12acd1b |
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| 21:16.40 | infinity1 | stew: i don't write iptables scripts. i use firehol to generate them |
| 21:16.57 | Juul | is it possible to set per-user memory limits in debian? |
| 21:17.51 | shivraj | Juul: see google |
| 21:17.59 | stew | infinity1: show us the output of "ifconfig ; route -n ; ipables -L -n" and be more specific about what is not working ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:18.00 | format_c | dryrot, disable ipv6 listening |
| 21:18.08 | stew | Juul: man limits.conf |
| 21:18.28 | Juul | ok |
| 21:18.37 | infinity1 | stew: but ever since the kernel change, things are weird. the biggest problem is i can't get firewalling to work on secondary (alias) interfaces |
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| 21:19.37 | _Sam-- | Juul : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-user-limits |
| 21:19.51 | stew | infinity1: we'll i'd be happy to help you with it, if you'll provide some specifics |
| 21:19.52 | Juul | _Sam--, thanks |
| 21:19.57 | format_c | dryrot, set "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0" in sshd_config |
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| 21:20.31 | format_c | and not :"ListenAddress ::" |
| 21:20.38 | dryrot | format_c: i actualyl dont care about ssh. its not ssh. i cant connect to local servers from localhost. |
| 21:20.54 | dryrot | format_c: i thought it was iptables but i dont have any rules dropping traffic |
| 21:21.21 | _Sam-- | dryrot : maybe you dont have a hostname for localhost in your hosts file |
| 21:21.25 | _Sam-- | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:21.56 | dryrot | _Sam--: I do. that is not it. |
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| 21:22.10 | _Sam-- | ok. |
| 21:22.39 | infinity1 | stew: http://pastebin.com/m2dfe8d77 |
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| 21:23.24 | infinity1 | stew: using that config, i can't ping 64.71.139.22 like i use to |
| 21:23.33 | _Sam-- | infinity1 : thats quite a list of itables rules you got there. |
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| 21:25.08 | infinity1 | _Sam--: yea. the config is complicated enough as it is. i swear something changed in the new kernel's iptables |
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| 21:25.34 | _Sam-- | nothings changed with IPtables, but i dont see any entries that would allow you to ping that host. im not the expert, though. |
| 21:25.57 | _Sam-- | the easy way, is to flush ALL the rules, and then see if you can ping it. |
| 21:26.00 | Jorophose | hmm, if I had a computer set up with somebody else logged in too remotely [X11 tunelled in SSH?] would I be able to play games and do other intensive stuff off the server? |
| 21:26.10 | Jorophose | like if I was connected directly... |
| 21:26.10 | infinity1 | _Sam--: yea. works if i kill iptables |
| 21:26.13 | dryrot | i can't even ping localhost . what would block that ? |
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| 21:26.26 | _Sam-- | infinity1 : you need to add some rules to allow that host to accept pings. |
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| 21:26.32 | _Sam-- | at least, based on what i saw, thats my answer, anyway. |
| 21:26.42 | infinity1 | _Sam--: but i do thing something changed in the behavior of iptables in the new kernel |
| 21:26.45 | infinity1 | er think |
| 21:27.07 | _Sam-- | ive had the same thing happen to me before, but in my case, it was all kernel module related. |
| 21:27.44 | _Sam-- | upgraded a kernel, the new kernel didnt have all the iptables modules that i needed, and some of my rules no longer worked. i dont know that to be your case. |
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| 21:28.20 | _Sam-- | when you run your firewall scripts, if iptables was missing a module it would probably show in /var/log/messages or syslog when you ran the firewall script. |
| 21:28.29 | _Sam-- | but agian, im not the expert and am not positive. |
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| 21:29.32 | stew | man these rules are hard to follow |
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| 21:30.11 | infinity1 | _Sam--: i don't think i'm using anything special |
| 21:30.21 | _Sam-- | if you use ip_conntrack or anything that like |
| 21:30.23 | Mooloo | hi, i am trying to install debian from a cd, it boots up fine (from the cdrom!), but the detecting cd-rom step fails. what can i do? |
| 21:30.39 | infinity1 | stew: yea. they are generated from firehol |
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| 21:31.25 | infinity1 | stew: it doesn't help that the box has 8 IPs, two interfaces, a VPN, NAT, SNAT, and uhh.. the kitchen sink :) |
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| 21:31.44 | _Sam-- | just go tto your /lib/modules/*/kernel/net |
| 21:31.46 | stew | _Sam--: this happened to you when upgrading to a new debian kernel? or a custom kernel? |
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| 21:31.52 | _Sam-- | and see if you find different modules in different dirs there. |
| 21:32.05 | stew | _Sam--: I can't imagine that there were firewall modules omitted from the kernel in stable |
| 21:32.17 | _Sam-- | stew : thats a good question. its been a while. but i know it happened. |
| 21:32.17 | infinity1 | no custom kernels for me. too much work |
| 21:32.34 | _Sam-- | maybe cause its amd64 related, i dont know. |
| 21:32.39 | infinity1 | heh |
| 21:32.43 | infinity1 | hope not |
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| 21:32.50 | _Sam-- | but i know i didnt have some important iptables modules, and ended up having to make them myself. |
| 21:33.00 | _Sam-- | specifically the ip_conntrack comes to mind. |
| 21:33.03 | n0mad | hmn abnormal acpid.socked ..went wrong just look at log 77mb.. 1115586 same lines "[Mon Oct 13 23:44:51 2008] ERR: can't accept client: Too many open files" |
| 21:33.19 | n0mad | o.O |
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| 21:33.36 | stew | _Sam--: i can't imagine what modules could be missing that would stop him from being able to ping a public ip address |
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| 21:34.38 | infinity1 | its weird you can ping 64.71.139.11 but not 64.71.139.22 |
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| 21:35.08 | infinity1 | they are both on the same interface. one is an alias |
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| 21:36.08 | infinity1 | how about i simply to just the one interface for a quick test |
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| 21:37.51 | n3kl | Anyone know why my cpu temp reads 40 all the time/? |
| 21:37.55 | infinity1 | http://pastebin.com/mbf884ed |
| 21:38.15 | infinity1 | i don't see why i can't ping when iptables is active. heh |
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| 21:38.46 | Neo_The_User | n3kl, sometimes happeneds to me |
| 21:38.54 | gray-- | n3kl: 40 isn't bad is it? |
| 21:39.04 | Neo_The_User | 60 is bad |
| 21:39.12 | n3kl | no, but no matter what I do, its 40, so I think its wrong |
| 21:39.17 | Neo_The_User | yeah |
| 21:39.31 | n3kl | so....why? |
| 21:39.38 | gray-- | could be normal operating temperature |
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| 21:39.58 | _Sam-- | infinity1 : you may need to work on the order of your rules. |
| 21:40.01 | gray-- | hoover out your fans and motherboard |
| 21:40.08 | n3kl | I really think its wrong |
| 21:40.20 | _Sam-- | im not sure of anything at this point though. |
| 21:40.40 | gray-- | n3kl: google for your motherboard and cpu operating temperatures |
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| 21:42.03 | n3kl | Here is why I think this. I boot the system, log in check temp. 40, reboot, enter bios, says 52, reboot, log in, check tem 40. run cpuburn, temp stays 40 |
| 21:42.08 | infinity1 | stew: any thoughts? i still think someone broken iptables |
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| 21:42.18 | n3kl | I think its an issue with the module or something. |
| 21:42.47 | gray-- | anything in dmesg regarding the module? |
| 21:43.06 | stew | infinity1: i'm sorry, but this config is too hard to follow by hand. can you try running "iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT" and do the same for OUTPUT, and see if ping starts working |
| 21:43.12 | n3kl | nope |
| 21:43.21 | stew | infinity1: i doubt that iptables is broken in such a way |
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| 21:43.50 | infinity1 | saleen:/etc/firehol# iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT |
| 21:43.50 | infinity1 | saleen:/etc/firehol# iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT |
| 21:43.53 | infinity1 | can not ping |
| 21:44.34 | stew | infinity1: oops, sorry, I meant -I not -A |
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| 21:45.15 | infinity1 | saleen:/etc/firehol# iptables -I OUTPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT |
| 21:45.15 | infinity1 | saleen:/etc/firehol# iptables -I INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT |
| 21:45.18 | infinity1 | yea. works |
| 21:45.23 | infinity1 | i can ping with that |
| 21:45.42 | infinity1 | very strange |
| 21:45.48 | gray-- | linux equivalent of kstat? |
| 21:46.21 | stew | infinity1: do you have some way to tell firehol to log any failures? so you can see what rule is causing icmp to be dropped? |
| 21:46.30 | infinity1 | hmm |
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| 21:46.49 | Mr-R | gray--: wtf is kstat? :-) |
| 21:47.09 | gray-- | Mr-R: kernel stats on solaris |
| 21:47.28 | k-os | any release-schedule for when certain programs will hit lenny/sid? |
| 21:47.57 | _Sam-- | stew : its the rules that tell it to drop any things that dont match. |
| 21:48.08 | _Sam-- | there is nothing explicitly set to tell it to accept ICMP |
| 21:48.08 | n3kl | what module modifies: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 21:48.56 | stew | _Sam--: sure there is |
| 21:48.59 | infinity1 | Oct 13 14:44:09 saleen 'IN-unknown:' IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:09:17:7a:d3:00:0c:db:fc:71:00:08:00 SRC=75.57.246.162 DST=64.71.139.22 LEN=84 TOS=00 PREC=0x00 TTL=57 ID=0 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=31020 SEQ=33 |
| 21:49.09 | _Sam-- | stew: only in the lines you just gave him. |
| 21:49.18 | _Sam-- | in his pastebin, there is nothing to accept I(CMP on that interface. |
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| 21:49.50 | _Sam-- | there were some things telling iptables to DROP anything coming in that didnt match. |
| 21:49.59 | _Sam-- | Chain INPUT (policy DROP |
| 21:50.03 | _Sam-- | DROP 0 -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 21:50.17 | stew | _Sam--: how about line 81 |
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| 21:50.49 | stew | _Sam--: line 168 |
| 21:50.49 | _Sam-- | but if that is already being dropped at the lines above...how does it reach line 81 |
| 21:50.56 | Mr-R | gray--: hmm. i dunno solaris. but try "uptime" |
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| 21:51.28 | gray-- | uptime isn't quite what i'm looking for, but thanks |
| 21:51.33 | infinity1 | line 33 |
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| 21:51.51 | _Sam-- | what about line 8 |
| 21:51.52 | stew | _Sam--: because those come after line 81 |
| 21:52.12 | infinity1 | the rules look legit. strange |
| 21:52.13 | stew | _Sam--: yeah, it would come after line 81 |
| 21:52.38 | stew | _Sam--: becuase of 5 and 33 |
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| 21:53.03 | infinity1 | ling 5 and 33 refer to accepting icmp |
| 21:53.39 | stew | infinity1: can you run the iptables again, but with -L -n -v |
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| 21:53.42 | scgtrp | i just installed an etch system via debootstrap, but when i rebooted into it grub starts to load then the monitor goes to "no input signal". we tried a gentoo livecd (isolinux based) and it booted fine though. what could be the problem? |
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| 21:54.15 | stew | scgtrp: chosing a framebuffer mode which is out of spec for the monitor |
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| 21:54.34 | scgtrp | stew, it was before the kernel loaded, and i don't have framebuffer enabled in grub or the kernel |
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| 21:54.50 | sarixe_ | o |
| 21:55.05 | infinity1 | http://pastebin.com/m34c7dd27 |
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| 21:56.48 | n3kl | _Sam--: Does anyone know what modifies the values in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM? |
| 21:56.56 | Tramp | infinity1: yes, those rules refer to accepting ICMP in the input-chain, but I don't see a matching rule in your OUTPUT chain (the respective rule only refers EST but not NEW) |
| 21:57.10 | _Sam-- | n3kl : if i had to guess, i would say abrotman , stew, and dondelelcaro probably know :) |
| 21:57.17 | n3kl | er, anyone, not sam |
| 21:57.22 | n3kl | sorry |
| 21:57.29 | Eulex | n3kl, kernel does. |
| 21:57.37 | Eulex | or 'modifies' is not the right word |
| 21:57.57 | stew | infinity1: can you try "iptables -D OUTPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT" and see if it stops working or not? (we could narrow it down to the INPUT or OUTPUT chains) |
| 21:58.04 | infinity1 | # |
| 21:58.05 | infinity1 | ACCEPT icmp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state ESTABLISHED |
| 21:58.10 | n3kl | so, k8temp would be the module, in my case then? |
| 21:58.11 | infinity1 | for output : # |
| 21:58.11 | infinity1 | ACCEPT icmp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state ESTABLISHED |
| 21:58.17 | Eulex | the file contents are generated by the kernel when you access the file |
| 21:58.18 | stew | i wonder if -m state --state ESTABLISHED doesn't work with icmp |
| 21:58.25 | Tramp | infinity1: right. EST, as I said |
| 21:58.27 | Eulex | n3kl, likely. |
| 21:58.37 | Tramp | infinity1: for the outgoing request, you need NEW |
| 21:58.39 | stew | n3kl: the thermal module in the kernel updates it |
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| 21:58.44 | infinity1 | Tramp: hmm. but it wouldn't be new because its an incoming request |
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| 21:58.54 | infinity1 | Tramp: maybe thats the behavior that changed in the new kernel? |
| 21:58.55 | _Sam-- | this is what i use for accepting ICMP: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT |
| 21:59.02 | stew | Tramp: he's talking about resonses to an incoming request |
| 21:59.15 | tsukiyomi | Hey, it's been awhile since I've used debian. What version of the kernel is included in the testing ISO? |
| 21:59.20 | Tramp | stew: but didn't he wonder why he can't ping his own interface? |
| 21:59.28 | tsukiyomi | I'm building a new computer with fairly new hardware. |
| 21:59.34 | n3kl | I think I am getting incorrect values out of k8temp. Anyone else Seeing this? |
| 21:59.34 | stew | Tramp: why he can't ping it remotely |
| 21:59.35 | infinity1 | lets test but inserting a new rule in output? |
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| 22:00.20 | Tramp | stew: infinity1: ah, ok. for the echo-reply to a remote request you probably don't need NEW. |
| 22:00.30 | infinity1 | i can ping the primary IP fine. just not the alias IP |
| 22:00.36 | stew | infinity1: if you could remove the rules we added with iptables -I {INPUT,OUTPUT} -p icmp -j ACCEPT, we could add them back one at a time and see if it is the output chain or the input chain that is screwing you up |
| 22:00.39 | infinity1 | so yea, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
| 22:00.58 | infinity1 | stew: yea. removed. i had to apply the simple config again |
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| 22:01.16 | infinity1 | k |
| 22:01.20 | stew | infinity1: so now ping doesn't work? |
| 22:01.44 | infinity1 | its not output |
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| 22:02.08 | tsukiyomi | anyone? |
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| 22:02.19 | infinity1 | it starts to ping when i add it to input |
| 22:02.28 | infinity1 | i tried output first. it didn't help |
| 22:02.44 | scgtrp | etch is testing, right? |
| 22:02.46 | scgtrp | or stable? |
| 22:02.49 | infinity1 | stable |
| 22:02.55 | Eulex | lenny is testing |
| 22:02.59 | infinity1 | lenny = testing/almost stable |
| 22:03.00 | hesco | I need ps2pdf. What package would I install for that, please. I just added: texlive-latex-extra texlive-latex-recommended texlive-pdfetex and still don't seem to have it. |
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| 22:03.36 | Mr-R | tsukiyomi: afaik its 2.6.26-1 |
| 22:03.51 | stew | infinity1: i'd try getting rid of the --state NEW,ESTABLISHED on the in_inet_icmp_s2 rule |
| 22:03.51 | Eulex | !tell hesco about search |
| 22:03.58 | tsukiyomi | Mr-R: Thanks, perfect. |
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| 22:05.10 | mythomaniac | man i love lenny, but every time i start my laptop have to to hit the power button in order for it to boot otherwise it will hang indefinitely :( |
| 22:05.11 | Eulex | hesco, apt-file would tell you the answer, but ps2pdf is in gs-common |
| 22:05.13 | _Sam-- | hesco : i wish i could tell you ; i use ps2pdf also, but cant seem to find or remember what provides it. |
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| 22:05.35 | Eulex | _Sam--, for you sir, I recommend dpkg -S |
| 22:05.38 | jhamlin | sometimes the printer which I connect to over the network stops working and the only think that works to get it working again is to remove it from cups and then re-install it. How can I really refresh the printer without removing it??? |
| 22:05.39 | _Sam-- | hmm...i guess i need apt-file |
| 22:05.42 | Eulex | or dlocate |
| 22:05.54 | hesco | thanks. I was unaware of apt-file. I'll have to check that out. |
| 22:06.03 | _Sam-- | dont have dlocate, will check into it. |
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| 22:06.11 | Eulex | it's dpkg -S but faster |
| 22:06.20 | Tramp | infinity1: concerning your "ping does not work on alias" problem, it may be line 19 which is restricted to "eth1" where it probably should be "eth1+". Not sure though. |
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| 22:06.33 | pbn | Hello, when will the new 2.6.18-6-686 kernel for etch be available ? |
| 22:06.34 | _Sam-- | thanks. trying apt-file first. |
| 22:06.59 | _Sam-- | thanks again. |
| 22:07.11 | _Sam-- | ahhhh....very nice. |
| 22:07.23 | _Sam-- | dlocate ps2pdf gs-common: /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 22:07.26 | henke_ | my disk with /boot just died. Does anybody know a decent way of replacing the /boot directory? |
| 22:07.27 | Tramp | infinity1: could also be line 5 (with the same reasoning) |
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| 22:08.23 | infinity1 | Tramp: i chaned eth1 to eth1+, no change |
| 22:08.32 | Tramp | infinity1: in both places? |
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| 22:08.57 | infinity1 | Tramp: yea |
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| 22:09.09 | infinity1 | i actually tried eth1+ earlier today |
| 22:09.17 | infinity1 | but just tried it again to make sure :) |
| 22:09.19 | _Sam-- | it should be eth+ |
| 22:09.19 | Tramp | infinity1: hmm. do you see a DROP logged? |
| 22:09.57 | Eulex | pbn, they're available now. |
| 22:09.59 | _Sam-- | sorry maybe eth1+ is valid, i dont know. |
| 22:10.40 | pbn | Eulex: well I did aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, didn't get them |
| 22:10.44 | infinity1 | Oct 13 15:10:20 saleen 'IN-unknown:' IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:09:17:7a:d3:00:0c:db:fc:71:00:08:00 SRC=75.57.246.162 DST=64.71.139.22 LEN=84 TOS=00 PREC=0x00 TTL=57 ID=0 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=16174 SEQ=142 |
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| 22:11.06 | _Sam-- | its coming in on ETH0 |
| 22:11.09 | Eulex | pbn, do you have a security.debian.org apt source? |
| 22:11.12 | _Sam-- | therefore, eth1 isnt going to help |
| 22:11.17 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.17 | infinity1 | wtf |
| 22:11.18 | pbn | Eulex: yes |
| 22:11.27 | infinity1 | how is it coming into eth0 |
| 22:11.39 | Eulex | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main or similar? |
| 22:11.48 | Tramp | infinity1: well, what are we takling about here. A ping on localhost or a ping from remote? |
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| 22:12.27 | infinity1 | Tramp: ping from remote. the line says SRC=75.57.246.162 |
| 22:12.33 | infinity1 | how could it come into eth0 ..hmm |
| 22:12.34 | Eulex | if you're still not getting it, I'd guess that the mirror that security,debian.org resolves to for you, hasn't synced correctly yet. if you're in a hurry I'd recommend getting the kernel package from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it. |
| 22:12.45 | infinity1 | that doesnt make ANY sense |
| 22:13.02 | Tramp | infinity1: where is eth0 connected to? |
| 22:13.18 | stew | pbn: show us the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:13.21 | pbn | Eulex: actually I'm using apt-cacher, so.. I can bypass apt-cacher and access the mirrso directly I guess ? |
| 22:13.29 | infinity1 | eth0 and eth1 are connected to the same logical lan because I needed the link to be up on eth0 for the VM's on the server to NAT |
| 22:13.34 | Tramp | infinity1: I see what the source says. I just thought previously you were complaining about a "local" ping |
| 22:14.04 | Eulex | pbn, sorry, was a long time since I used apt-cacher. I believe it is supposed to handle this. |
| 22:14.10 | infinity1 | Tramp: no. ever since changing the config on this server, its been screwy. this is just one little piece of the screwy-ness |
| 22:14.13 | ice799 | Hi there -- is there a script or command line tool to quickly create deb packages? The guides I've read have a lot of steps and seem somewhat painful. Are there any tools which help shorten the process? |
| 22:14.14 | Tramp | infinity1: well, eth0 will happily arp-reply when queried for the IP of eth1 |
| 22:14.14 | pbn | yeah it's apt-cacher who's "acting funny" |
| 22:14.34 | infinity1 | why would eth0 reply? |
| 22:14.46 | infinity1 | becuase the box knows eth1 and eth0 are on the same box? |
| 22:14.52 | Tramp | infinity1: that's the defautl behavious. It will reply for all interfaces. |
| 22:15.03 | Tramp | infinity1: basically yes. |
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| 22:15.15 | infinity1 | argh. |
| 22:15.17 | infinity1 | hmmmm |
| 22:15.23 | ma3x | why when i use voip phone, the connection is not detected with netstat? |
| 22:15.26 | Tramp | infinity1: there is some setting to change this behavioiur, but you'll have to google. I can't remember what it was. |
| 22:15.35 | infinity1 | Tramp: any ideas on a fix. the box is about 30 minutes away :) |
| 22:15.44 | infinity1 | i don't need eth0 to talk on the lan. i just need link |
| 22:15.59 | Tramp | infinity1: it's some sysctl setting. But, as I said, I don't remember which from top of my head |
| 22:16.05 | _Sam-- | just accept icmp on all interfaces. |
| 22:16.08 | _Sam-- | eth_ |
| 22:16.10 | _Sam-- | er |
| 22:16.11 | _Sam-- | eth+ |
| 22:17.11 | infinity1 | icmp is enabled on all interfaces |
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| 22:17.35 | infinity1 | but eth0 can't respond to icmp from the internet |
| 22:17.37 | _Sam-- | in_inet 0 -- eth1 |
| 22:17.44 | infinity1 | its an unroutable interface |
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| 22:18.44 | infinity1 | looking to disable ARP |
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| 22:19.05 | _Sam-- | its not the default behaviour that is your problem. |
| 22:19.32 | infinity1 | wait. i think i need arp. becuase the VM's need to ping that interface |
| 22:19.36 | _Sam-- | i still say its your rules. but since i dont have the time or knowledge to fix them or you, good luck. |
| 22:19.38 | infinity1 | er it nats for them |
| 22:19.50 | infinity1 | i need to disable ARP on eth1 for public IPs |
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| 22:19.58 | infinity1 | er eth0 |
| 22:20.38 | _Sam-- | i run debian boxes with plenty of virtual hosts on them that ping fine from internal and the internet both...never needed to do what you are saying. |
| 22:21.02 | infinity1 | _Sam--: eth1 and eth0 are plugged into the same switch |
| 22:21.16 | infinity1 | eth0 isn't necessary except for the VMs |
| 22:21.33 | infinity1 | but eth0 needs to be pluged in to bring it up. |
| 22:21.46 | infinity1 | so that the VMs can access it |
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| 22:23.10 | Tramp | infinity1: http://linux-ip.net/html/ether-arp.html <---, see "arp flux" and use of "arp_filter" |
| 22:24.35 | infinity1 | Tramp: thanks. i'm having a hard time finding the correct info |
| 22:25.04 | _Sam-- | Tramp : you're smart. |
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| 22:26.10 | infinity1 | _Sam--: yea. if this works. amazing |
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| 22:26.24 | infinity1 | looks like a promising path |
| 22:26.25 | _Sam-- | infinity1 : sorry for doubting you. i see what you, and tramp are saying. |
| 22:26.33 | _Sam-- | never came across that before. |
| 22:26.43 | infinity1 | _Sam--: thanks for sticking with the puzzle |
| 22:26.48 | rektide | is there anything more advanced than chroot for creating multiple systems that look different to different users, yet all still run with the same kernel? |
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| 22:27.03 | Tramp | infinity1: but note that the eth1+-issue still remains. Keep an eye on the logs. |
| 22:27.46 | infinity1 | Tramp: k |
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| 22:28.11 | _Sam-- | Tramp : there is still arp_filter for 2.6 kernels? |
| 22:28.21 | Tramp | infinity1: note that virtual interfaces are deprecated anyways. |
| 22:28.41 | Tramp | _Sam--: well, I have it (though I don't need it) |
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| 22:29.15 | _Sam-- | Tramp: its part of your debian kernel? |
| 22:29.19 | infinity1 | umm ..why would changing iptables have fixed this though |
| 22:29.58 | Tramp | _Sam--: and there is no reason why the behaviour should change, since it is, afaik, the RFC-required behaviour for internet hots. Would have to check the RFC though. |
| 22:30.11 | infinity1 | Tramp: what do you mean by depreciated? How are virtual interfaces suppose to be setup |
| 22:30.40 | Tramp | infinity1: you add IPs to an interface (with ip addr add). Virtual interfaces always were a "workaround" |
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| 22:33.25 | Tramp | infinity1: it fixed it, because the rules stew suggested had no filtering on the interface |
| 22:34.23 | deadcat | microsoft crashes http://www.aggiesrunning.com/Portals/1/Gallery/Album/10/centipedewhoops.JPG |
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| 22:35.28 | jelly-home | deadcat: sorry, this is a support channel, MS bashing isn't the topic |
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| 22:35.46 | infinity1 | i enabled arp_filter on eth0 and 1, but not having much success.i'm still getting eth0 in the logs |
| 22:35.51 | deadcat | jelly-home: thats not bashing. i know some of those people |
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| 22:36.13 | infinity1 | i think i'm in a little over my head. does the switch need rebooting? |
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| 22:36.59 | Tramp | infinity1: the arp may still be cached on the router (or whatever system there is in front) |
| 22:37.32 | Tramp | infinity1: additionally, try "tcpdump -ni eth0 arp" and see which arp-replies it answers (same for eth1) |
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| 22:37.36 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 22:37.44 | infinity1 | ahh |
| 22:37.45 | infinity1 | k |
| 22:37.58 | cousin_luigi | I'd like to run dhcp3-server as user, how can I make it drop privileges? |
| 22:38.32 | amphi | deadcat: you know them? wtf where they trying to do? |
| 22:38.41 | stew | cousin_luigi: i'm not sure a non-prvileged user would be allowed to send a dhcpoffer |
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| 22:39.02 | Tramp | infinity1: I know systems caching arp for hours. If that is your problem, either reboot this router if you can or try sending an unsolicited arp-reply with arping. |
| 22:39.04 | simonrvn | i very much doubt it |
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| 22:39.59 | nicholas_ | Hello. |
| 22:40.07 | infinity1 | i don't see anything useful in the tcpdump. tons of arps. |
| 22:40.07 | cousin_luigi | stew: oh |
| 22:40.16 | deadcat | amphi: running the bay to breakers (centipede) category. |
| 22:40.27 | deadcat | amphi: sponsored by ms that year. |
| 22:40.30 | infinity1 | i can't reboot the switches routers. they are the datacenter |
| 22:40.31 | cousin_luigi | same story for hostapd? |
| 22:40.39 | Tetracomm | I just reinstalled Debian and I can't play any songs. :( |
| 22:40.49 | pbn | problem solved :) |
| 22:40.49 | amphi | deadcat: that is quite incomprehensible to me ;) |
| 22:40.55 | pbn | indeed apt-cacher was "acting funny" |
| 22:41.06 | simonrvn | Tetracomm: adduser foo audio; logout; login |
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| 22:41.56 | dsmith-work | So an "aptitude upgrade" on my Lenny system says the package image files are corrupted. (No Filename: field for package libcomer2). How can I uncorrupt them? |
| 22:42.25 | Tetracomm | Still: "No volume control gstreamer plugins found>" |
| 22:43.19 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 22:43.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 22:43.22 | infinity1 | Tramp: any hints on how to do the unsolicited reply? i tried arping -T |
| 22:43.43 | Tetracomm | "can't open audio |
| 22:43.44 | Tetracomm | Help? |
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| 22:43.55 | Tetracomm | I just installed it and have no sound, the last time I installed it I had sound. |
| 22:44.23 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:44.32 | Tramp | infinity1: well, unfortunately there exist two conflicting arpings. One can do this, the other cannot. I don't remember which is which. |
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| 22:45.12 | Tramp | infinity1: one is "arping" the other is "iputils-arping" |
| 22:45.32 | dante_2core | Tetracomm, you need to add your user to the audio group by doing "gpasswd -a <your-username> audio" as root. then log out, log back in and test again. |
| 22:46.22 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 22:46.31 | simonrvn | i already told him that... |
| 22:46.44 | simonrvn | .:18:41:06:. < simonrvn> Tetracomm: adduser foo audio; logout; login |
| 22:46.46 | dante_2core | simonrvn, I know, but he didn't get it ;) some people are slower than others ~ |
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| 22:47.16 | infinity1 | Tramp: ahh ... i'll look at both |
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| 22:47.32 | Tramp | infinity1: I checked. It is "iputils-arping" |
| 22:47.39 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 22:47.42 | dante_2core | simonrvn, nice time-tag you got there XD |
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| 22:47.49 | dante_2core | hi |
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| 22:48.23 | CryptoMole | how do ya find what version of debian from the shell your running? |
| 22:48.36 | lem0n | uname -a , cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:48.47 | infinity1 | Tramp: yea. just found it |
| 22:48.52 | CryptoMole | oh yeah? |
| 22:48.57 | lem0n | yep |
| 22:49.13 | CryptoMole | god I forget so much. |
| 22:49.17 | lem0n | :P |
| 22:49.22 | infinity1 | Tramp: # /usr/bin/arping -U 64.71.139.1 |
| 22:49.23 | infinity1 | bind: Cannot assign requested address |
| 22:49.28 | infinity1 | hm |
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| 22:49.56 | Tramp | infinity1: hmm, wait, I'm just trying to find out the correct command |
| 22:50.29 | n3kl | Anyone in here using kde4? How stable is it? |
| 22:50.42 | heroxbd | Finally. I find out that it was SCIM that blocked the compose key. After STFW I configurated SCIM so that it admits compose key. |
| 22:50.58 | infinity1 | doesn't work either: arping -U -I eth1 64.71.139.1 |
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| 22:51.22 | dante_2core | n3kl, used 4.0 once, that was not really stable. but 4.1 might be better. |
| 22:51.33 | dante_2core | *correct* surely is better |
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| 22:52.27 | Tramp | infinity1: I think it's "arping -A -s <your IP> <router IP>", maybe with an additional -I <interface> |
| 22:52.36 | n3kl | yeah, I used 4.0 for a while. Guess I was more asking about the impact on the debian system specifically. |
| 22:53.21 | dante_2core | I don't think it's gonna pose a problem, I guess a few app crashes here and there, but it won't kill your system or anything - at least very unlikely |
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| 22:53.45 | infinity1 | Tramp: really? everything online says i had it right. i'll try it cuz its not working my way :) |
| 22:53.45 | n3kl | cool |
| 22:54.33 | infinity1 | Tramp: same error every time |
| 22:56.13 | dsmith-work | Hmm. rm'ing a lot of stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists seems to have cleared it up. |
| 22:56.19 | n3kl | What is the score when aptitude runs into package conflicts? |
| 22:56.40 | Tramp | infinity1: which command are you trying now? |
| 22:57.07 | infinity1 | arping |
| 22:57.14 | infinity1 | look http://lists.shorewall.net/pipermail/shorewall-users/2003-February/005420.html |
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| 22:58.35 | infinity1 | ack. I can't get it to accept |
| 22:58.57 | infinity1 | i killed iptables. i shutdown eth0 and restarted eth0 . still no |
| 22:59.07 | Tramp | infinity1: the full commandline and the error |
| 22:59.24 | infinity1 | # /usr/bin/arping -U -I eth0 10.2.1.3 |
| 22:59.25 | infinity1 | bind: Cannot assign requested address |
| 22:59.36 | infinity1 | same with -A |
| 22:59.41 | infinity1 | instead of the -U |
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| 23:00.23 | Tramp | infinity1: infinity1: I think it's "arping -A -s <your IP> <router IP>" <--- what exactly is unclear? |
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| 23:00.37 | infinity1 | i tried that too. same error |
| 23:00.45 | Tramp | well, no idea then. |
| 23:02.37 | infinity1 | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_nonlocal_bind ? |
| 23:02.39 | Tramp | infinity1: previously you were talking about public IPs (64... iirc), now you have private IPs I can't (won't) follow anymore. |
| 23:02.56 | infinity1 | Tramp: I'm just trying to make the command work |
| 23:03.05 | Tramp | infinity1: with random IPs? |
| 23:03.10 | infinity1 | Tramp: i can't take down the public interface or i'll lose ips |
| 23:03.13 | infinity1 | er lost connection |
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| 23:03.21 | infinity1 | er lose |
| 23:03.33 | infinity1 | 10.2.1.11 is the private interface IP |
| 23:03.56 | Tramp | right. So maybe try harder to find out with tcpdump, if this is still your problem. |
| 23:04.15 | infinity1 | i think you have to enable something in proc for arping -U/-A |
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| 23:04.17 | sandman | Is it better to leave a HDD on all the time, or have it spin up and down once per day only staying on for perhaps 10 minutes? |
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| 23:04.47 | Tetracomm | Why is it that the Alsa mixer window is always empty? I just installed Debian. |
| 23:04.51 | IamSOG | strange 4.0 already have a kernel update |
| 23:05.18 | BubbaT | I have a machine with Win98 on it. No CD, no floppy. Got a network connection. Is there a way to install debian. |
| 23:05.21 | infinity1 | Tramp: i'm in luck. i think the arp cache cleared. i can ping |
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| 23:05.39 | Tramp | ah. great then. Glad I could help. |
| 23:05.45 | infinity1 | Tramp: someone walked over to my desk and said it was working. i was like whaa ? |
| 23:05.46 | infinity1 | heh |
| 23:06.03 | infinity1 | Tramp: thanks for the education. yer a damn good. |
| 23:06.26 | Tramp | yw |
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| 23:07.37 | DocMAX | hello. can i pause a process completly? |
| 23:08.02 | DocMAX | i mean not just nice 19 or something.. no low priority... real freeze |
| 23:08.09 | DocMAX | no cpu usage at all |
| 23:08.35 | amphi | DocMAX: send it a SIGSTOP |
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| 23:10.48 | DocMAX | amphi... how does the commandline look like? |
| 23:10.55 | DocMAX | killall -s SIGSTOP? |
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| 23:11.41 | IamSOG | strange 4.0 already have a kernel update |
| 23:11.46 | amphi | kill -STOP <pid> should do |
| 23:12.01 | amphi | DocMAX: and SIGCONT when you want it to run again |
| 23:12.10 | DocMAX | i need <pid> as name, cause the pid changes a lot |
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| 23:12.29 | IamSOG | um.. I have installed new kernel when I make menuconfig... so I guess I don't have to update the new Debian 4.0 kernel update, right ? |
| 23:12.37 | DocMAX | anyway thaks very much |
| 23:12.38 | torr | is there a mail editor that can edit more fancy emails using html? |
| 23:12.58 | torr | I know evolution does it, but its simplistic |
| 23:13.18 | torr | also icedove is symlistic |
| 23:13.33 | torr | is there a more serious editor? |
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| 23:13.56 | simonrvn | !html email |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | should die! |
| 23:14.05 | kapipi | #join pidgin |
| 23:14.08 | kapipi | oops sry |
| 23:14.23 | kapipi | was not an advertisement just a typo |
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| 23:15.52 | kapipi | yes, thanks |
| 23:16.01 | amphi | DocMAX: pkill might be what you're after then |
| 23:17.18 | simonrvn | np |
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| 23:21.18 | IamSOG | um.. I have installed new kernel when I make menuconfig... so I guess I don't have to update the new Debian 4.0 kernel update, right ? |
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| 23:38.51 | acu | I want to install lenny netinst amd - usually I download the .iso for CD netinst daily - burn it on CD and then install it - I would like to use a USB or HD - so I do not need to waste so many CDs - can anyone tell me step by step how to make a bootable usb with netinst for Lenny ? |
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| 23:40.16 | peter771 | how is debian' laptop support compared to ubuntu? |
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| 23:40.54 | dryrot | acu: i used the script isotostick.sh |
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| 23:41.23 | acu | dryrot: where can I find isotostick - it seem cool |
| 23:41.32 | chomwitt_ | how can i force a debian pc to take always the same ip from a dhcp server? |
| 23:41.54 | torr | wonders if peter771 will get a real answer considering that he have said the u word :S |
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| 23:42.12 | acu | peter771: that's too vaque question - I have a HP pavilion dv9000 and run lenny on it - everything works - including the webcam |
| 23:42.27 | DogBoy | yea vague question |
| 23:42.56 | DogBoy | like someone will have tried both on several laptops |
| 23:43.34 | peter771 | acu, ***torr, ha, I meant roughley speaking as ubuntu is suppose to be "up-to date" (unstable) and is therefore believed to generally support new hardware before debian |
| 23:43.35 | dryrot | acu: google for 'isostick.sh' |
| 23:43.38 | abrotman | !tell peter771 about laptop |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | peter771: my laptop is four years old or so ... and everything works perfectly! |
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| 23:44.44 | DogBoy | so are you answering your own question peter771 |
| 23:44.59 | torr | peter771, I don't know but I think that debian sid may be on same cutting edge level |
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| 23:45.10 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:45.10 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 23:45.22 | peter771 | DogBoy, I have a habbit of doing that |
| 23:45.37 | DogBoy | and then the point of the question would be? |
| 23:45.42 | torr | ah |
| 23:45.45 | acu | peter771: and of course you asked about support - well for Ubuntu you can pay and the community is pretty big - previous versions of ubuntu were recognizing more harware right from the boot - however I think the lenny with latest kernel and option to load non-free firmware is head to head |
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| 23:46.13 | IamSOG | um.. I have installed new kernel when I make menuconfig... so I guess I don't have to update the new Debian 4.0 kernel update, right ? |
| 23:46.25 | Tetracomm | Could someone please help me to get libmtp for Debian Etch? |
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| 23:47.13 | peter771 | acu, the automatic hardware detection is great but the stability of ubuntu seems to be deteriorating especially as older versions of programs worked and newer versions do not |
| 23:47.32 | Tetracomm | I can't do without it. |
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| 23:49.16 | abrotman | IamSOG: that's up to you to decide |
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| 23:49.28 | Tetracomm | Could someone please help me to get libmtp for Debian Etch? |
| 23:49.30 | Tetracomm | I can't do without it. |
| 23:49.35 | abrotman | !tell Tetracomm about repeat |
| 23:49.41 | themill | dpkg: tell Tetracomm about patience |
| 23:49.53 | bizhan | HI All, question on msleep within kernel driver, I have a multi-thread process which one of the threads call an ioctl to a driver, inside this driver I have placed msleep() to defer the calling thread for some time, but it seems the entire process gets into sleep, does anone have any idea why? Thanks |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | Tetracomm: that library doesn't exist in etch |
| 23:50.21 | IamSOG | oh, I see abrotman |
| 23:50.23 | Tetracomm | Why doesn't it? |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | etch was released 18 months ago |
| 23:50.37 | Tetracomm | So I can't use gnomad then? |
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| 23:50.49 | abrotman | maybe you should tell us what you're really trying to do |
| 23:50.54 | Tetracomm | Which requires libmtp to work and is available for Etch? |
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| 23:51.04 | Tetracomm | Connect to my Creative Zen. |
| 23:51.42 | jetscreamer | !tell Tetracomm -about backports |
| 23:52.27 | themill | Tetracomm: gnomad that is in etch doesn't require libmtp. If you're mixing etch and lenny then you're in trouble already. |
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| 23:52.59 | Tetracomm | themill: Why doesn't gnomad work then? |
| 23:53.16 | themill | nfc. Does that version claim to support your player? |
| 23:53.53 | Tetracomm | Yes, it is designed for it, and, it worked with my player in Ubuntu. |
| 23:54.38 | themill | with that exact version of gnomad? |
| 23:54.46 | Doctor_Nick | KUNTZ |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: i think you have the wrong channel |
| 23:55.23 | Tetracomm | Yes, themill. |
| 23:55.25 | Tetracomm | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release: Unable to find expected entry \/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 23:55.41 | Tetracomm | It said: 'No jukeboxes found on USB bus. |
| 23:55.56 | Doctor_Nick | sudo apt-get install kuntz |
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| 23:57.03 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: Please stop |
| 23:57.40 | IamSOG | abrotman can you help me take a look at the ACPI scrpit on this page, I wonder if it will work on 4.0 http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/pics/2003042522264300.html because I still can't get camera, bluetooth and the manual adjust CPU speed working |
| 23:57.53 | themill | Tetracomm: no version of ubuntu has ever shipped with that exact version of gnomad, so would you like to reconsider your answer to my last question? |
| 23:58.15 | Tetracomm | Not the same version. |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | IamSOG: i think that was the wrong link ? |
| 23:58.34 | IamSOG | Oh! |
| 23:58.38 | Tetracomm | themill: It worked with 2.9.1 in Fedora 9. |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | nice picture .. but not helpful |
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| 23:58.55 | IamSOG | http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/c1mhp/ lol this is the link abrotman thanks :P |
| 23:59.19 | Tetracomm | Do you think that 2.9.1 can work in Etch? |
| 23:59.29 | abrotman | IamSOG: that is really old .. |
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