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| 00:11.50 | BitUnique | Hi! |
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| 00:12.22 | BitUnique | i everyone out chasing UFO's or something? |
| 00:12.23 | noppe | does anyone know when radeonhd 1.2.2 will be in testing? |
| 00:13.01 | streuner | is that a tric-question? |
| 00:13.04 | streuner | ;-) |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | noppe: you've been asking for hours .. and i'm sure you've gotten the same answer |
| 00:14.59 | abrotman | noppe: and i'm sure not til after lenny releases |
| 00:16.40 | streuner | nobody is going to put newer software into lenny, only it fixes bugs |
| 00:16.42 | Ian_Daniher | anyone else in here dislike gnome? |
| 00:16.48 | streuner | yes |
| 00:16.55 | noppe | abrotman: actually, i have not gotten an answer at all, until yours. |
| 00:17.01 | Ian_Daniher | or completely fail to see the point of gnomevfs? |
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| 00:17.10 | abrotman | noppe: testing is currently frozen for release |
| 00:17.17 | streuner | sure, because its pretty clear in this situation.. |
| 00:17.41 | streuner | nobody can answer that question |
| 00:17.49 | PovAddict | Ian_Daniher: I use KDE and I see the point of kioslaves |
| 00:17.59 | streuner | maybe the maint., but iam not that sure about it... |
| 00:23.46 | BitUnique | why the flying fuck does a cellphone have to make this annoyning fuckin sound and vibrate like a vigilant dildo when it's low on battery? GARRRRRRR.... |
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| 00:24.11 | BitUnique | my cellphone just scared the crap out of me. |
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| 00:34.23 | helo | what is the brazil/portugese chan? |
| 00:34.53 | zinx | #debian-br |
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| 00:47.50 | curtmack | okay, you know what? I am going to resintall debian |
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| 00:48.22 | curtmack | except I'm not 100% sure what all files I need to back up |
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| 00:48.45 | euzao | in which packages is glxgears? |
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| 00:48.47 | PovAddict | if you keep your own data organized, just backup $HOME and it should have everything |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | euzao: mesa-utils |
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| 00:49.07 | curtmack | PovAddict: yeah, but there's a lot of other files scattered throughout my hard drive that need to be saved |
| 00:49.13 | PovAddict | like? |
| 00:49.17 | curtmack | if only for convenience |
| 00:49.38 | curtmack | mostly programs that were compiled by hand |
| 00:49.58 | PovAddict | that should be all in /usr/local then |
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| 00:50.13 | curtmack | all right, thanks |
| 00:50.15 | PovAddict | if you put self-compiled programs in /usr, fail :) |
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| 00:50.48 | euzao | abrotman, how can I see how fast is it? |
| 00:51.06 | PovAddict | euzao: glxgears is not a benchmarking program |
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| 00:51.53 | PovAddict | heh, *first* hit on Google searching "glxgears" is http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Glxgears_is_not_a_Benchmark |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | euzao: it's not a valid test |
| 00:52.21 | Kovensky | euzao: mesa-utils; though as stressfully stated it is not a benchmark |
| 00:52.31 | euzao | how could I test it? |
| 00:52.40 | Kovensky | glxinfo, also part of mesa-utils |
| 00:52.43 | Kovensky | or run some cool game :) |
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| 00:53.20 | euzao | I'm finding my desktop a bit slow |
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| 00:53.35 | PovAddict | are you running a compositing window manager? |
| 00:53.54 | PovAddict | if you aren't, OpenGL speed won't have anything to do with your desktop being slow |
| 00:54.20 | euzao | I'm running Gnome |
| 00:54.56 | superlinux | hi guys.. i found a way to rip DVD data tracks which each track is a session by itself as iso image. |
| 00:55.03 | curtmack | bah, screw it |
| 00:55.13 | euzao | PovAddict, is it a compositing M? |
| 00:55.16 | euzao | WM* |
| 00:55.22 | curtmack | it's not worth all the setting up I'd have to do again to get everything working |
| 00:55.24 | PovAddict | gnome is not a WM |
| 00:55.30 | euzao | ok |
| 00:55.31 | euzao | metacity |
| 00:55.38 | PovAddict | not as far as I know |
| 00:55.44 | xsdg | metacity supports ~nothing :o) |
| 00:55.54 | euzao | I thought Metacity was |
| 00:56.00 | curtmack | so back to my original problem, does anybody know dsyslog keeps failing on startup? |
| 00:56.02 | PovAddict | maybe later versions have compositing (like kwin version 4), I don't know |
| 00:56.06 | zinx | metacity supports reduced option availability |
| 00:56.11 | superlinux | i used ddrescue for that matter plus nero burning rom to tell me the borders of each session |
| 00:56.16 | xsdg | zinx: :o) |
| 00:57.53 | superlinux | therefore you can re-write the DVD in a more correct way |
| 00:59.11 | superlinux | the problem is that : each time i add files to the dvd they are on the same folder |
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| 01:04.39 | superlinux | therefore you can re-write the DVD in a more correct way |
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| 01:12.30 | leo1870 | hi guys I managed to install my Creative usb webcam all went well |
| 01:13.04 | leo1870 | But I have another usb webcam when I pluged it didn't work |
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| 01:14.09 | leo1870 | does that mean I need to reinstall the spca5xx again |
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| 01:17.40 | leo1870 | ok I did lsusb and I can see the new webcam on Bus 001 Device 003 |
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| 01:19.33 | leo1870 | any ideas |
| 01:20.09 | diveli | do you have two video devices in /dev |
| 01:20.17 | diveli | like /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 |
| 01:20.19 | diveli | when both are plugged in |
| 01:20.49 | diveli | is it the same make and model as the other? it may require a different driver. |
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| 01:31.09 | acu | leol870: first of all I would use ekiga and go to Edit Preferences Video Devices and click autodetect - there you can choose the video device (if there are two - you can suposedly switch from there) if both worked you are OK, otherwise you might need a special driver for the new one - however there is a simpler option first - unplug the woking one - and let only one pluged - and see how it works - besided ekiga - luvcview is pretty good to test your webcam |
| 01:31.59 | zinx | luvcview is just about the only way to test a usb video class webcam, because the Linux drivers are so poor for them |
| 01:32.53 | acu | ekiga does pretty good job too |
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| 01:34.49 | acu | I am trying latest ekiga 3.0 and the svn version - in Lenny with Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 - is just beyond dreams - you can choose more than 640X480 res (I think is 754 over something) and it just blows away anything I have seen - including Skype and Yahoo Messenger |
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| 01:36.03 | zinx | acu: logitech has also historically used proprietary protocols, though i don't know if that cam's one that does use a proprietary protocol |
| 01:36.30 | zinx | a quick google says it -is- uvc |
| 01:37.10 | zinx | nice to see 'em use something standard.. i haven't had luck as good as yours with the UVC drivers, though. pretty much the only things that work are a select few video conferencing apps that have been *modified* to work with linux-uvc, and luvcview |
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| 01:40.35 | acu | zinx: first I used this tutorial and it works perfect http://blog.gnist.org/article.php?story=Linux_and_LogitechQuickCamPro9000 |
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| 01:41.05 | acu | this might work for leo too |
| 01:41.57 | acu | zinx: are you around ? |
| 01:42.17 | zinx | depends on which webcam he has |
| 01:42.24 | zinx | knowing it's "creative" isn't enough :/ |
| 01:42.49 | zinx | http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html has a list |
| 01:43.07 | acu | I am trying to capture video and audio and so far I failed - video is fine but I cannot get them together - got few tutorials with mencoder etc - however I might need to install kde too - there are small things which might be missed if only gnome is installed |
| 01:43.14 | PovAddict | hmm |
| 01:43.18 | PovAddict | I have a capturing card |
| 01:43.33 | PovAddict | haven't used it in months (definitely not since I installed Linux) |
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| 01:44.10 | zinx | acu: should just have to tell it where the audio input is; if your webcam supplies a mic it may or may not be supported |
| 01:44.35 | zinx | PovAddict: capture cards tend to not be UVC |
| 01:44.53 | PovAddict | what is UVC? |
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| 01:45.20 | acu | PovAddict: I just found on youtube a kick ass tutorial - for capture cards and stuff - the guys is funny but concrete - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDLtHDvQ7O4 |
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| 01:45.37 | leo1870 | sorry I guys I had to do something it took a while |
| 01:45.45 | leo1870 | I missed a lot didn't I |
| 01:45.51 | PovAddict | video tutorials = proof people can't even be bothered to *read* anymore |
| 01:45.54 | acu | once you get to his video - click on More Info on the right up - it will give you the scripts he used |
| 01:46.10 | zinx | PovAddict: USB Video Class |
| 01:46.34 | JeffH | Something in my server box is hosed and I don't have a monitor/keyboard to hook up to it.. does debian enable serial access by default? |
| 01:46.41 | zinx | PovAddict: linuxtv.org has info on (most) supported capture cards |
| 01:46.48 | JeffH | I guess I should say Etch, not Debian |
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| 01:47.29 | zinx | JeffH: it does not |
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| 01:47.52 | JeffH | zinx: so am I SOL or is there some way I can enable it? |
| 01:47.53 | zinx | JeffH: but you can probably plop in a properly configured boot disk/image |
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| 01:48.05 | PovAddict | no ssh? |
| 01:49.11 | leo1870 | the creative webcam is working perfectly there's no problem with it |
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| 01:49.23 | JeffH | PovAddict: I was messing with the network cards last night when it lost connection.. so my guess is the network setup is offline. I might try just powering down and starting it again to see if that helps. |
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| 01:49.53 | acu | have fun - be good - be debians :) bye all |
| 01:50.34 | leo1870 | it's only the second webcam that I'm trying to get it work I'll try ekiga as acu mentioned |
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| 01:53.34 | leo1870 | bye acu |
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| 01:54.55 | cvirus | I tried doing a lenny netinstall and booted from hard disk .. but for some reason ... it installed etch ... is it easy to move from etch to lenny ? |
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| 01:55.18 | zinx | !tell cvirus about etch->lenny |
| 01:55.43 | zinx | there may also be an entry in the Debian Installation Guide for Lenny |
| 01:55.57 | cvirus | do i have to use aptitude ? |
| 01:55.59 | acu | zinx: are you still awake ? how can I see what audio devices I have ? I know they are somewhere in /dev/dsp but what is the command to make them listed |
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| 01:57.09 | PovAddict | hmm |
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| 01:57.25 | PovAddict | if I do "mplayer tv://" I get a window |
| 01:57.29 | zinx | acu: erh, just use aplay -L or something |
| 01:57.32 | cvirus | zinx: do i have to use aptitude ? |
| 01:57.33 | PovAddict | showing blackness at 640x480x30fps |
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| 01:57.41 | zinx | PovAddict: check dmesg |
| 01:57.48 | zinx | cvirus: it's strongly recommended |
| 01:57.56 | PovAddict | zinx: I don't have anything connected to the capture card :) |
| 01:58.02 | PovAddict | so it may be working fine |
| 01:58.04 | zinx | PovAddict: ahh :D |
| 01:58.05 | cvirus | strongly recommended for everything or for the upgrade only ? |
| 01:58.09 | PovAddict | or maybe not |
| 01:58.12 | zinx | cvirus: everything. |
| 01:58.16 | cvirus | hmm .. thanks |
| 01:58.24 | cvirus | zinx: why anyways ? |
| 01:58.32 | zinx | cvirus: because aptitude is better |
| 01:58.40 | PovAddict | aptitude r0xx0rz |
| 01:58.47 | cvirus | zinx: better than apt ? |
| 01:58.49 | PovAddict | uses aptitude instead of synaptic or any other graphical tool |
| 01:58.54 | zinx | cvirus: better than apt-get |
| 01:58.58 | cvirus | I see |
| 01:59.12 | cvirus | new to debian here |
| 01:59.20 | zinx | cvirus: it supports most of the command-line interface from apt (though search is different, and there is no 'source' command, probably a few other differences) |
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| 01:59.32 | cvirus | I see |
| 01:59.51 | zinx | cvirus: but does better dependency handling and auto-uninstalls unused packages (though apt-get may do that too these days, not really sure), and has a TUI if you feel like using it |
| 02:00.43 | PovAddict | uses aptitude TUI instead of GUIs like synaptic :D |
| 02:01.13 | cvirus | I really wonder why etch got installed instead of lenny |
| 02:01.20 | cvirus | I'm glad I didn't install X yet |
| 02:01.23 | PovAddict | but then I also use gvim+gcc instead of an IDE, and cgdb for debugging (a TUI better than "gdb -tui") |
| 02:01.23 | zinx | you probably used an etch installer |
| 02:01.30 | cvirus | I used lenny .. I'm sure |
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| 02:01.58 | PovAddict | hmm dmesg shows some segfaults |
| 02:02.07 | Lagbolt | cvirus, i have a dollar says you didnt |
| 02:02.17 | PovAddict | I didn't even know this program had crashed |
| 02:02.24 | Lagbolt | unless you edit the sources by hand |
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| 02:02.45 | cvirus | Lagbolt: I didn't touch them |
| 02:02.58 | cvirus | Lagbolt: I was doing a netinstall from hard disk |
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| 02:03.20 | Lagbolt | cvirus, well i would be shocked if lenny installer installed etch. guess anything is possible but doubtful |
| 02:03.21 | cvirus | I hope I like debian anyways |
| 02:03.38 | cvirus | Lagbolt: we will double check that when I get everything running |
| 02:03.47 | PovAddict | netinstall from hard disk? |
| 02:03.56 | cvirus | booted from hard disk i mean |
| 02:03.57 | rudle | is it easy to set up a local mirror to do net installs from? |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 02:04.39 | dpkg | well, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package |
| 02:04.57 | cvirus | rudle: I didn't do that anyways |
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| 02:05.25 | rudle | cvirus: I meant for my own purposes, that was unrelated to your issues |
| 02:05.32 | cvirus | sorry |
| 02:05.34 | cvirus | brb .. reboot |
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| 02:10.54 | keram | hey |
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| 02:11.55 | keram | i'm trying to use 2 nic cards but when i add a second entry in interfaces and restart networking i get an error |
| 02:12.08 | keram | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 02:12.17 | abrotman | maybe it doesn't exist |
| 02:12.30 | amphi | keram: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 02:12.35 | keram | yes |
| 02:12.41 | keram | so does lspci |
| 02:13.03 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/PG8fBh80.html |
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| 02:14.07 | abrotman | paste ifconfig -a .. your interfaces .. your z25 file .. |
| 02:14.13 | keram | ifconfig -a also shows a sit0 |
| 02:14.42 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/T1hdk549.html |
| 02:15.34 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/W2oecD78.html |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | eth2 looks useful ? |
| 02:15.36 | keram | z25 file? |
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| 02:15.54 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | /etc/udev/z25networking .. or something like that |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | keram: you have no eth1 .. try eth2 |
| 02:16.30 | keram | lol... |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | yeah .. kind of funny |
| 02:17.18 | keram | ok thanks its working now :P |
| 02:17.24 | keram | i cant believe i missed that.. |
| 02:18.51 | acu | keram: this is when you base you work on your memory :) if you like GUI it would have been obvious - and have KDE installed you can go to Control Panel and go to Network - there you can see a drop down for what interfaces are available (you might need to click and go as Administrator) - there you can configure each of the card- as DHCP or static IP etc |
| 02:19.42 | Actium_ | I'm using fluxbox, and I've got a gtk theme installed that I'd like tobe used as default - how do I do this |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | keram: if you alter the z25 file ... you can have it be eth1 |
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| 02:27.09 | cvirus | Aren't there any plans that debian would support simultaneous package installations like gentoo ? |
| 02:27.31 | cvirus | instead of locking the whole deb database ... it could trigger a lock on the package that is currently being worked on |
| 02:28.38 | stew | cvirus: i've not heard of any. check the bts on the dpkg package |
| 02:29.07 | cvirus | bts ? |
| 02:29.15 | stew | !bts |
| 02:29.15 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 02:29.19 | cvirus | ah ok |
| 02:29.21 | cvirus | thanks |
| 02:30.03 | keram | abrotman, ah i see what you mean with the z25 file.. i have some firewire device as eth1 :P |
| 02:30.28 | abrotman | keram: sorry to hear that |
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| 02:32.12 | keram | ok now i just have 1 more issue that hopefully you can help with.. after fixing that eth1/2 issue i got this debian box working as a basic router |
| 02:33.20 | keram | it has 2 nic's, eth0 and eth2. eth2 goes to an internal switch which is then connected to 2 computers, 1 winXP and 1 ubuntu. |
| 02:34.18 | keram | eth0 goes to a cable modem. whats really odd is that when i set the winXP box to a static ip it is able to connect to the internet, but when i do the same with ubuntu it cannot. but it can ping the router. any ideas? |
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| 02:35.09 | amphi | keram: no default gw set? |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | doesn't sound like a debian problem |
| 02:36.59 | keram | here is the ubuntu's interfaces: http://rafb.net/p/KLlP4I72.html |
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| 02:38.09 | keram | i get the feeling that ubuntu has screwed with the networking somehow... even when i modify interfaces and restart networking it seems groggy |
| 02:38.34 | keram | like it caches old configs and defaults to the cached versions or something |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | if yhour ubuntu networking is hosed .. ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:39.11 | keram | ok.. |
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| 02:45.17 | keram | #ubuntu is of no help lately :/ |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | not our problem .. try ##linux |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | we do not support ubuntu here |
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| 02:49.25 | smacnay | Is the linux-image 2.26.x .deb kernel to better support webcams? |
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| 02:54.47 | keram | smacnay, if its a pwc or uvc webcam its super easy get working and i *think* should be enabled by default |
| 02:55.07 | ArtVandalae | smacnay, 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 |
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| 02:57.36 | keram | hmm... i think its a DNS problem. i can access the sites by IP but not by domain name |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | so ask #ubuntu |
| 02:59.10 | ^lam64^ | i am unable to browse internet on a new window, only one window is working |
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| 03:00.14 | ^lam64^ | i have updated the machine yesterday, since then this problem started |
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| 03:00.51 | smacnay | ArtVandalae: thanks - I might just pop on 2.6.26 |
| 03:01.19 | smacnay | keram: pwc and uvc? brand names? |
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| 03:02.32 | keram | smacnay, they are pretty common commercial web cam drives i think.. i know that a lot of logitech cams use them and i think most other name brand webcams use them as well |
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| 03:05.24 | keram | abrotman, heh. the #linux people were able to help. i had to add the gateway's IP to /etc/resolv.conf on the client so that it can forward my dns requests to my isp |
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| 03:14.11 | pululus | Happy Hacking!!! |
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| 03:32.33 | pizza | how can i refuse suggested and recommended package dependencies in apt-get? |
| 03:32.35 | mfrisch | yo abrotman you around? |
| 03:38.57 | Tetracomm | Did anyone here get Virtualbox working in Debian? |
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| 03:41.42 | micols | anyone , my ipconfig compiled into kernel at boot which gets dhcp from my dhcp3 server doesnt seem to set correct mtu 9000, is option interface-mtu 9000; not being recognized by dhcp3? |
| 03:42.26 | micols | i just get nfs timeouts, i can fine setup mtu when i have booted the client |
| 03:42.49 | micols | its a diskless client, so if i boot the client and using server with both 1500 MTU then change to 9000 first on server and then on client it works |
| 03:43.03 | micols | so must be either kernel or dhcp3 which doesnt support/supply that mtu option? |
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| 03:45.05 | JeffH | can someone tell me where wpa_supplicant's conf file should be? |
| 03:45.08 | mfrisch | micols uhm why do you need a custom setup, the last time I used dhcp3 it worked out of the box. After some changes to the config |
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| 03:46.13 | mfrisch | JefH never used it but I believe in /etc/network |
| 03:46.30 | micols | mfrisch: diskless client as i said, it boots using dhcp |
| 03:46.41 | micols | and it needs jumbo frames, as only one MTU is allowed on the lan |
| 03:46.49 | micols | and i run mtu 9000 only |
| 03:47.00 | mfrisch | so that is a bios bork? as linux isn |
| 03:47.09 | mfrisch | t loaded when it makes the connection |
| 03:47.45 | micols | no it isnt a bios bug |
| 03:47.54 | micols | linux kernel is loaded |
| 03:48.03 | micols | with networking compiled in |
| 03:48.09 | mfrisch | did it work with a vanilla? |
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| 03:49.16 | micols | well its the latest kernel i can use |
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| 03:49.29 | micols | i got some patches which only work for that kernel version |
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| 03:49.50 | micols | but it might as well be dhcp3 not sending out that option |
| 03:49.58 | mfrisch | no a standard whatever kernel not compiled by you, a vanilla say debian kernel or whatever |
| 03:50.12 | micols | i cannot use a debian kernel |
| 03:50.17 | micols | as it doesnt have networking compiled in |
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| 03:50.39 | micols | i need special networking parameters compiled in for diskless operation |
| 03:50.44 | micols | and nfs in kernel as well |
| 03:51.29 | mfrisch | got something similar to this http://bobbyallen.wordpress.com/2007/05/20/how-to-install-dhcp-server-on-ubuntu-server-606/ |
| 03:51.38 | micols | i know how to setup dhcp |
| 03:51.43 | micols | its working fine with MTU 1500 |
| 03:52.03 | micols | no problems booting, but it seems it doesnt send the special mtu option to the client |
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| 03:52.16 | micols | not sure if mtu is even implemented in dhcp3 nowadays. |
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| 03:52.35 | micols | i dont want to convert to bootp. |
| 03:53.07 | mfrisch | honestley never had to play with that..let me think for a min. |
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| 03:53.30 | Weedy_lappy | what does debian do to pppd that makes multilink work? |
| 03:53.34 | micols | as soon as i change mtu to 9000 on the server the client refuses to boot, also when i add that "option interface-mtu 9000;" to the dhcp3 server sending the option to the client at interface up at boot |
| 03:54.11 | micols | i just get nfs timeouts then, which suggests that either my kernel doesnt support mtu at that boot stage or the dhcp3 server isnt sending the interface-mtu option to the client |
| 03:54.25 | micols | i change change mtu fine, in runlevel 2 and 5 |
| 03:54.41 | micols | but this is before runlevel 1 :), its before init |
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| 03:55.19 | mfrisch | uhm give me a sec |
| 03:55.43 | IamSOG | um... I have a question.... after complie a new kernel, everything will be in /usr/src/linux xXxXx right? but the new .config from menu config will be automatically put in /boot? but the kernel will stay in /usr/src/ linux xXxXx ? so if one need the new kernel, will need to move the new kernel to /boot... but then the strange thing is, I can't seem to find my .config |
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| 03:56.52 | mfrisch | ok and silly ? are you using tftp or something to get the image there, it just doesn't get that far? |
| 03:57.42 | IamSOG | ? me |
| 03:58.24 | IamSOG | I can get the kernel, unzip, do menuconfig...etc but I can't seem to find the .config, just want to do a backup |
| 03:58.28 | micols | mfrisch: tftp works fine, everything loads ok from tftp 100% loaded kernel |
| 03:58.59 | micols | mfrisch: so i wonder why it gets this far if different mtu's arent allowed on the switch, but i guess it might be a coincidense |
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| 04:00.42 | mfrisch | lamSOG use the debian kernel make tool, which name ecapes me right now. |
| 04:01.04 | IamSOG | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.33 | mfrisch | I am horrible speller, and kpkg or something |
| 04:02.21 | mfrisch | micols uhm, so maybe the images network settings? |
| 04:02.32 | Lagbolt | make-kpkg |
| 04:02.38 | mfrisch | since it dies after |
| 04:02.47 | micols | mfrisch: yes the linux kernel source in other words :) |
| 04:03.00 | micols | because that is the network image, settings |
| 04:03.34 | mfrisch | micols well if the image is debian, it could be something in /etc/network too right. |
| 04:03.45 | micols | no, because it hasn't mounted anything yet |
| 04:03.53 | micols | not even a ramdisk |
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| 04:04.06 | micols | it stalls right after getting dhcp ip |
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| 04:05.39 | mfrisch | micols does a regular client connect to the switch ok? |
| 04:06.12 | micols | well i have no more clients to test with |
| 04:06.26 | micols | but switch has jumbos enabled |
| 04:06.35 | mfrisch | micols have you tested other images that maybe work on the switch |
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| 04:06.47 | micols | and they work on diskless if it boots with 1500 first and then change to first 9000 on server and then right after on client to 9000 |
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| 04:07.05 | micols | well i most likely need to patch the kernel :) |
| 04:07.11 | micols | or dhcp3 |
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| 04:07.26 | mfrisch | micols add a startup to change the clients after boot. |
| 04:07.34 | micols | not possible |
| 04:07.46 | micols | only one mtu size is allowed for all clients/servers on switch |
| 04:07.49 | IamSOG | can somone help me call my name again, just want to test my high lighting again |
| 04:08.08 | micols | you cannot have one client with 1500 mtu and a server with 9000 mtu |
| 04:08.20 | micols | its only layer2 switch |
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| 04:09.07 | mfrisch | micols well try a image that works first is all I can say, limit the varables\ |
| 04:09.24 | Kovensky | wonders what is mode +l |
| 04:09.36 | micols | well i got a working image, but i just cannot boot it with any other than default MTU |
| 04:09.59 | micols | i can set mtu fine as soon as init has been run and i can use ifconfig instead of that compiled-in thing |
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| 04:11.30 | enouf | Kovensky: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 04:11.41 | JeffH | how do I go up in a man page? I press the up arrow and I just get beeped at. |
| 04:11.42 | mfrisch | pass the option to the kernel through grub? |
| 04:12.21 | enouf | JeffH: shift+pageup |
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| 04:12.47 | micols | mfrisch: no, pxe boot, i dont have a traditional bootloader |
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| 04:12.57 | enouf | JeffH: or hit the 'insert' key if your arrows and all other keys over there are not working in console |
| 04:13.09 | enouf | !insert |
| 04:13.09 | dpkg | somebody said insert was Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 04:13.10 | micols | mfrisch: it fetches a tftp image of linux kernel, then the linux kernel gets dhcp from server |
| 04:13.17 | JeffH | neither seems to work. |
| 04:13.27 | JeffH | this is a laptop for what its worth. |
| 04:13.42 | mfrisch | micols pxe ? |
| 04:13.55 | enouf | JeffH: in console or xterm? |
| 04:14.00 | enouf | echo $TERM |
| 04:14.07 | micols | mfrisch: google? |
| 04:14.21 | enouf | echo $SHELL as well |
| 04:14.26 | JeffH | enouf: a ssh session from an OS X Terminal. |
| 04:14.32 | enouf | aha! |
| 04:14.35 | micols | :( |
| 04:14.48 | enouf | !listvals backspace |
| 04:14.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'backspace' by value (10): restart x ;; xmodmap ;; backspace and delete reversed ;; dontzap ;; backspace sends multibyte delete ;; backspace problem ;; restartx ;; ^h ;; mac-delete ;; ginola. |
| 04:14.54 | mfrisch | micols maybe ;-) just bored and haven't been on a real box for a long time. |
| 04:15.05 | enouf | !mac-delete |
| 04:15.05 | dpkg | i heard mac-delete is [Shift]+[Backspace which is labeled as [Delete]] |
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| 04:15.36 | mfrisch | micols try to get it to work one way, then mess with it man |
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| 04:15.56 | cvirus | I'm running aptitude and there's this option that allows me to install KDE ... what metapackage is this option using ? |
| 04:15.58 | micols | mfrisch: patch me a nfs kernel server for tmpfs and various device node exports :) |
| 04:16.07 | enouf | JeffH: all i can say is poke around in a few of those factoids - also, i think within osx you can go into preferences > something > utf-8 ? (i only mildly recall hearing about it) |
| 04:16.23 | mfrisch | micols give me ssh gladly ;-) |
| 04:17.19 | micols | i dont believe in ssh, i use rs232 |
| 04:17.32 | micols | so you would probably need a long cable |
| 04:17.35 | JeffH | I just manually brought my wireless card up in Linux. Anyone know how to hook it into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:17.43 | wols_ | cvirus: it used kde |
| 04:17.49 | enouf | heh, someone actually made a "^h" factoid? .. hrmph, well it's broken :0 |
| 04:18.12 | wols_ | JeffH: man interfaces |
| 04:18.14 | enouf | !tell JeffH -about interfaces |
| 04:18.20 | wols_ | JeffH: and /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 04:18.27 | micols | JeffH: interface ethX inet static, address x.x.x.x, subnet y.y.y.y ?:)B |
| 04:18.34 | cvirus | how can I select a certain package with aptitude TUI ? |
| 04:18.34 | mfrisch | micols, uhm yeah, but but. |
| 04:18.41 | enouf | and if WPA see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
| 04:18.58 | mfrisch | micols serial is so 89's |
| 04:19.04 | mfrisch | 80's |
| 04:19.18 | micols | most good rfcs are from 80's |
| 04:19.45 | mfrisch | micols what is the switch a wang |
| 04:19.54 | cvirus | how can I select a certain package for installation with aptitude TUI ? |
| 04:20.35 | enouf | !tell cvirus -about aptitude-doc-en |
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| 04:20.41 | enouf | !tell cvirus -about aptitude-doc |
| 04:20.49 | enouf | bah .. |
| 04:20.59 | enouf | just use apt-get :-P |
| 04:21.09 | micols | mfrisch: dell 5324 http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pwcnt_5324 |
| 04:21.16 | cvirus | enouf: I was told to use aptitude |
| 04:21.27 | micols | fine for just my workstation for now :) |
| 04:21.32 | cvirus | though I'm used to apt-get |
| 04:21.41 | cvirus | but people over here suggested using aptitude instead |
| 04:21.45 | micols | gotta trunk up some ports for my gigabit pipe to my living room |
| 04:22.46 | mfrisch | micols hehe. well I have had to work on things a long time before I figured it out, good luck :-) remember to sleep |
| 04:23.20 | micols | i guess i had a few sleepless nights configuring my array and diskless :) |
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| 04:23.39 | micols | although the main part only took 3 minutes using debootstrap :) |
| 04:23.52 | mfrisch | micols when I did a xen kernel it took a month...with evms. |
| 04:23.53 | micols | fetching a debian etch |
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| 04:25.11 | mfrisch | micols good luck and good night. |
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| 04:26.21 | enouf | cvirus: man aptitude ; install the aptitude-doc-<CC> version where <CC> is your country code |
| 04:26.35 | enouf | s/version/package |
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| 04:27.24 | enouf | !tell cvirus -about grounding |
| 04:27.32 | enouf | cvirus: reference is a good read ;-) |
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| 04:29.20 | rebel_kid | i try to keep myself open source as much as possible, so i am considering specialized servers and open source software for my routing, is that a viable option for large scale data center use yet? does anyone have any documentation on the subject? |
| 04:29.54 | enouf | erm, ignore my comments about about the ^h factoid above - i was somewhere else, not in PM with dpkg when i tested it :-P |
| 04:30.26 | enouf | is what a viable option? |
| 04:30.49 | enouf | define "specialized servers" |
| 04:31.05 | rebel_kid | enouf, using a server and open source routing software instead of something like cisco routers for large scale data center use |
| 04:31.07 | enouf | ofcourse FOSS is the way to go .. what's wrong with you? :-P |
| 04:31.29 | rebel_kid | specialized meaning loaded up to fit a particular purpose |
| 04:31.40 | rebel_kid | lol, so FOSS is a viable alternative already? |
| 04:31.41 | enouf | oh, i see - hrm .. i'm not the one to ask - but see lartc.org |
| 04:31.48 | rebel_kid | cool |
| 04:32.19 | rebel_kid | i like to stay open source, proprietary is right up there with satan in my book |
| 04:32.23 | rebel_kid | :) |
| 04:32.29 | enouf | see netfilter.org, etc etc, i guess .. there's so much :-) |
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| 04:33.25 | enouf | rebel_kid: it helps to know about kernel internals, and keep up to date what's new/added/changed, etc |
| 04:33.42 | enouf | rebel_kid: lwn.net, kerneltrap.org, lkml.org, etc |
| 04:34.29 | rebel_kid | if only i were a computer, downloading is so much easier than learning :p |
| 04:34.37 | enouf | and i find this almost irreplaceable for summary http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_26 |
| 04:35.15 | rebel_kid | haha |
| 04:35.17 | rebel_kid | thank you |
| 04:35.29 | enouf | rebel_kid: some people in ##linux can also give you some ideas maybe |
| 04:35.38 | rebel_kid | thank you |
| 04:36.05 | enouf | rebel_kid: visit here and there in the EST morning weekday hours .. blah blah blah |
| 04:36.16 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 04:36.19 | rebel_kid | ewww mornings |
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| 04:38.30 | nxmehta | how do figure out the size of an ext3 journal for a hdd? |
| 04:38.48 | enouf | tune2fs -l /dev/sdaX |
| 04:39.57 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 04:40.07 | nxmehta | um |
| 04:40.18 | nxmehta | that gives me the inode of the journal? |
| 04:40.25 | nxmehta | that's about it |
| 04:40.30 | enouf | might need to hit it up with some dumpe2fs/debugfs options ... |
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| 04:40.57 | nxmehta | ah |
| 04:41.09 | enouf | nxmehta: why do you need to know the size? |
| 04:41.41 | enouf | nxmehta: btw, is the journal stored on a separate device? |
| 04:41.50 | nxmehta | when doing a df i get size=448G, used=1.5G, avail=424G |
| 04:41.58 | nxmehta | i was just curious as to where the space was going |
| 04:42.17 | nxmehta | not that i can do anything about the journal size... but it was my first guess as to the source of the missing space |
| 04:42.17 | enouf | nxmehta: oh ., hehe .. see Reserved Blocks in the 1st command output |
| 04:43.10 | nxmehta | ok, that adds up |
| 04:43.12 | enouf | nxmehta: mkfs.e*fs/mke2fs defaults to allocating 5% reserved blocks for root user |
| 04:43.23 | nxmehta | reserved blocks = journal huh? |
| 04:43.24 | nxmehta | ohhhhh |
| 04:44.00 | enouf | nxmehta: also df output fields - one size counts them, and used doesn't, or something |
| 04:44.29 | enouf | nxmehta: no, |
| 04:44.33 | nxmehta | i see, so block are reserved for the root |
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| 04:45.02 | enouf | Reserved Blocks == free space - so root user can go in and do admin/deletions when Use == 100% ;-) |
| 04:45.42 | nxmehta | 5% on a 500GB drive is a lot! i'm guessing tune2fs can fix this... can i specify something less than 1%? |
| 04:45.44 | enouf | tune2fs can be used to adjust that amount of percentage - and options can be passed during mkfs time |
| 04:45.49 | nxmehta | like 0.1 or something |
| 04:46.11 | nxmehta | or even 0, it's just a data drive |
| 04:46.13 | enouf | but i wouldn't do that unless it's solely a storage drive, No OS, etc |
| 04:46.32 | enouf | man tune2fs - see -m, IIRC |
| 04:46.41 | nxmehta | ok, great thanks |
| 04:47.21 | nxmehta | oh one more thing, can i change reserved blocks while the disk is mounted? |
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| 04:47.36 | enouf | i forget offhand |
| 04:47.59 | enouf | you mean FS/partition/volume, not disk ;-) |
| 04:48.11 | enouf | though it could consume the whole disk |
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| 04:48.30 | nxmehta | yeah i mean partition :) |
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| 04:50.32 | noborusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.04 | noborusa | no problem ,but now i run apt-get update && upgrade,it reminds me install 2.6.18 ,how do i get rid of it ? |
| 04:51.11 | noborusa | i do not need 2.6.18 . |
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| 04:51.29 | enouf | noborusa: what? |
| 04:51.42 | noborusa | enouf, what part you don't get from me ? |
| 04:51.45 | enouf | it "reminds" you? |
| 04:51.55 | noborusa | it prompts |
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| 04:52.13 | noborusa | asks me Yes or No to apply that new 2.6.18 |
| 04:52.17 | enouf | noborusa: how did you install the .26 from backports? |
| 04:52.34 | noborusa | No,from official sourceslist |
| 04:52.37 | enouf | maybe put the .26 on hold? .. hrm .... |
| 04:52.51 | noborusa | enouf, i already told. |
| 04:53.00 | enouf | noborusa: did you --purge remove the .18? |
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| 04:53.07 | noborusa | apt-get install .26 |
| 04:53.24 | enouf | noborusa: haha, no |
| 04:53.25 | noborusa | enouf, no,i haven't,i need to make sure before i do |
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| 04:53.49 | enouf | noborusa: uname -r |
| 04:54.00 | enouf | noborusa: now, i remember you ;-) |
| 04:54.07 | noborusa | if i do apt-get remove .18 --purge, the .18 will be removed completely along with the config info left in menu.lst ? |
| 04:54.41 | enouf | you're the one,that doesn't ,leave blank spaces,where commas and periods and general punctuation occurs ;-) |
| 04:54.44 | noborusa | enouf, 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
| 04:54.45 | wols_ | purge not necessary |
| 04:54.46 | enouf | slow down |
| 04:55.31 | wols_ | !tell noborusa about errors |
| 04:55.35 | enouf | noborusa: update-grub might remove it (even when installing new kernel), but that's easy enough to edit menu.lst |
| 04:55.53 | wols_ | enouf: do not tell him to edit it please |
| 04:55.54 | noborusa | Now i use dpkg -l to check both of them, both of them are instaleld, and i am currently using the etchnahalf one. |
| 04:56.03 | enouf | noborusa: sorry - i thought you said backports, not etchnhalf - but still |
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| 04:56.16 | enouf | wols_: you're right .. but sigh |
| 04:56.34 | wols_ | noborusa: just remove .18 |
| 04:56.47 | noborusa | wols_, and enouf , I am currently using 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem, but i run apt-get update && upgrade, it says |
| 04:57.10 | noborusa | The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 04:57.11 | enouf | noborusa: use a pastebin for more than 1 line ... |
| 04:57.27 | noborusa | but i actually do not need that one anymore,nor the updates of it. |
| 04:57.29 | wols_ | noborusa: either upgrade or remove it |
| 04:57.52 | noborusa | how do i remove it safely ? |
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| 04:58.01 | wols_ | how the fuck do you remove packages? |
| 04:58.21 | noborusa | no --purge ? |
| 04:58.22 | enouf | noborusa: perhaps the meta 2.6-686 pkg needs updating .. but again, i'm not sure .. so, just apt-get remove 2.6.18-xxxx |
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| 04:58.40 | wols_ | it doesn't matter if you purge |
| 04:58.54 | enouf | doesn't hurt either |
| 04:59.01 | noborusa | okay thanks, let me try. |
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| 05:07.11 | noborusa | done it,thanks :D |
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| 05:08.47 | sadpanda | how can i use sysctl to get my cpu temp? |
| 05:08.51 | Tetracomm | Did anyone here get Virtualbox working in Debian? |
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| 05:10.25 | wols_ | Tetracomm: considering debian ships with virtualbox: of coure |
| 05:10.30 | wols_ | tons of people |
| 05:11.02 | Tetracomm | It ships with it? |
| 05:11.09 | Tetracomm | It won't work here in Debian Etch. |
| 05:11.13 | Tetracomm | and it didn't come with it. |
| 05:11.22 | wols_ | judd: info virtualbox-ose etch |
| 05:11.23 | judd | wols_: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 05:11.32 | wols_ | judd: info virtualbox-ose --release etch |
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| 05:12.05 | wols_ | seems it's only in lenny |
| 05:12.07 | enouf | wols_: add arch |
| 05:12.16 | wols_ | !tell Tetracomm about errors |
| 05:12.21 | wols_ | enouf: no, it's not in etch |
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| 05:12.49 | stew | arch defaults to i386, release to etch |
| 05:13.16 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 05:13.16 | judd | stew: virtualbox-ose: 1.6.2-dfsg-6~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.6.6-dfsg-2 (lenny) 1.6.6-dfsg-2 (sid) |
| 05:13.20 | stew | its in bpo |
| 05:13.23 | enouf | oh, ok then - thought maybe judd would tell us ;-) |
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| 05:14.34 | enouf | sadpanda was a drive-by eh? sigh |
| 05:15.21 | Tetracomm | wols_: It says that it needs virtualbox-ose-modules, and I can't find that package |
| 05:15.21 | Tetracomm | . |
| 05:15.40 | wols_ | Tetracomm: that is not the exact error, is it? |
| 05:15.53 | Sling | hmm.. "Never be flaccid again" in my mailbox |
| 05:15.59 | Sling | i think that is a lethal medical condition |
| 05:16.06 | wols_ | Tetracomm: where did you get your virtualbox version? |
| 05:16.07 | Tetracomm | wols_: No, it said that I would have to install that and then run modprobe vboxdrv. |
| 05:16.14 | wols_ | Sling: don't |
| 05:16.16 | Tetracomm | sudo apt-get install VirtualBox. |
| 05:16.30 | wols_ | Tetracomm: that will not work. what debian branch are you on? |
| 05:16.37 | Sling | wols_ : don't what? |
| 05:16.43 | Tetracomm | Etch. |
| 05:17.06 | wols_ | Tetracomm: where did you get your virtualbox version? |
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| 05:17.08 | enouf | Sling: c'mon, just cut it out already ... |
| 05:17.13 | wols_ | what repo |
| 05:17.16 | enouf | join offtopic ;-) |
| 05:17.25 | wols_ | Sling: you are a spammer and you know it |
| 05:17.35 | Tetracomm | I don't know which repository it came from. |
| 05:17.35 | enouf | or don't :-[ |
| 05:17.41 | wols_ | Tetracomm: then find out |
| 05:17.42 | Tetracomm | Should I use the one from Sun? |
| 05:17.52 | wols_ | apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 05:18.11 | Sling | practically nobody there but ok.. |
| 05:18.15 | Sling | zips it |
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| 05:18.43 | Tetracomm | wols_: virtualbox: |
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| 05:19.18 | wols_ | turutosiya: so you didn't install anything with apt-get. I won't help you until you start to answer my questions exactly and precisely |
| 05:19.22 | wols_ | Tetracomm: ^^ |
| 05:19.32 | wols_ | Tetracomm: you've been told where to get virtualbox. have a nice day |
| 05:19.35 | Tetracomm | and when I type the right case it says not found |
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| 05:19.45 | jsumners | i _know_ this isn't the place, but the obvious channel is a bit dead. does anyone here have any clue as to how to browse a project's source code via webcvs on sourceforge.net's new (horrible) site? |
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| 05:20.02 | wols_ | !tell jsumners about they don't know |
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| 05:20.37 | enouf | Tetracomm: stew mentioned backports.org - /msg dpkg bpo |
| 05:20.45 | jsumners | wols_: this was my last resort. and when i said the other channel is dead, i mean there is no one in it |
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| 05:21.15 | wols_ | jsumners: and when I gave you the factoid I mean we don't give a fuck about non debian questions. and if you can't use a webbrowser you have problems we can't solve |
| 05:21.19 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 05:21.26 | Tetracomm | What about the version from Sun? |
| 05:21.37 | wols_ | Tetracomm: ask sun about it not us. we don't support it |
| 05:21.39 | enouf | what about it? |
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| 05:21.59 | enouf | didn't even know sun was involved |
| 05:22.02 | jsumners | wols_: thanks for being an ass |
| 05:22.15 | wols_ | enouf: they own it. it's a closed source one |
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| 05:22.29 | stew | jsumners: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 05:23.05 | wols_ | enouf: Sun's has usb support, gpled one doesn't |
| 05:23.25 | enouf | wols_: ahh |
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| 05:24.26 | Tetracomm | I am installing Sun's version now. |
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| 05:24.49 | enouf | wols_: something like certain vmware versions have it, the standard one <whatever version> doesn't , or it didn't, IIRC |
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| 05:25.22 | enouf | how weird that USB is so special - maybe we should rename it GSB for stew :-P |
| 05:25.46 | wols_ | enouf: they need/want something to differentiate themselves frm the GPL version. that's it |
| 05:25.59 | enouf | Tetracomm: that's fine, just don't ask here for support with it |
| 05:26.15 | enouf | wols_: yay for cddl and other shite :-p |
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| 05:26.39 | enouf | vmware is in violation of GPL anyways |
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| 05:27.24 | cmanns | Anyone know how to fix the marvel yukon win -> unix ethernet problem? |
| 05:27.38 | enouf | elaborate |
| 05:28.04 | noborusa | is it true that some person who belong to the core of the debian develop team ever hung out in this channel as well ? |
| 05:28.35 | enouf | noborusa: there are many devs, they hang all over the place, and i bet many never even irc |
| 05:28.37 | cmanns | The card can be detected but can't be "initialized" I suppose, if you load the drivers ifconfig wont return anything. |
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| 05:29.01 | enouf | noborusa: just ask linus how he manages :-P |
| 05:29.05 | cmanns | I've had it happen on many systems, its not only marvel ive had a realtek chip do it. |
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| 05:29.36 | cmanns | You have to shut down/reboot windows a few times to release the card so other os's can use it... theres gotta be some work around my vista install went kaput |
| 05:29.59 | enouf | cmanns: a dual boot? or a VM? |
| 05:30.11 | enouf | wow 2.08 lag .. heh |
| 05:30.32 | cmanns | no dual boot, I've gone through every variant of bsd, was looking for a new os to replace vista, first install of freebsd killed vista due to a mistake with my keystrokes hehe |
| 05:30.46 | noborusa | enouf, never even irc ? this english grammar confuses me, does it mean 'they truely do that sometimes' ? |
| 05:30.49 | cmanns | I got freebsd up, to find out I didnt get the card released which is odd I shutdown vista like 4 times :| |
| 05:30.55 | enouf | haha .. oh well - no major loss :-P |
| 05:31.55 | enouf | noborusa: i mean, 'never use / communicate through irc' |
| 05:32.07 | noborusa | oh :( |
| 05:32.18 | cmanns | Due to intel licensing the firmware needed for my wifi I have to grab myself, if I can get my ethernet working I wont have to waste a dvd just for a >1mb tgz |
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| 05:32.24 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@208.65.91.109] by stew |
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| 05:32.57 | enouf | cmanns: what is that. the sky/sky2 module? |
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| 05:33.07 | cmanns | The wifi? |
| 05:33.53 | wols_ | noborusa: several DDs are in the channel right now. now please stop being OT |
| 05:33.54 | enouf | whichever one you're having issues with |
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| 05:33.54 | cmanns | It's IWN |
| 05:33.54 | cmanns | oh |
| 05:33.54 | enouf | the marvell yukon |
| 05:33.54 | cmanns | Not sure which driver it uses on debian |
| 05:34.09 | enouf | cmanns: which debian release are you using? and uname -r says? |
| 05:34.17 | cmanns | installing atm, its lenny amd64 |
| 05:34.23 | noborusa | wols_, I will shut up :D haha. |
| 05:34.25 | H2S04 | hello enouf. |
| 05:34.33 | enouf | cmanns: well lenny has a .26 kernel so .. |
| 05:34.41 | enouf | H2S04: hola |
| 05:35.09 | cmanns | The card has to be supported |
| 05:35.20 | cmanns | its just its not unlocked from windows |
| 05:35.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.29 | enouf | cmanns: /msg dpkg what's my hardware ;-) |
| 05:35.55 | cmanns | I'll get the model once it finishes installing :D |
| 05:36.07 | cmanns | was just hoping someone knew what my problem was and a way to unlock the card ~_~ |
| 05:36.21 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/drivers/net/Kconfig#L2158 |
| 05:36.29 | enouf | unlock? |
| 05:36.50 | adb | hotdoged ? |
| 05:36.56 | enouf | cmanns: there;s something odd going on, try to be more exact |
| 05:37.18 | enouf | adb: i vote "winnebago'd" :-P |
| 05:37.29 | adb | heh |
| 05:39.21 | cmanns | Ohh looks like my card ISNT supported but ubuntu guys found a work around using the sky2 driver, ill give that a try :D |
| 05:39.48 | enouf | ... |
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| 05:40.25 | cmanns | It's the mavell yukon 88E8040T I think, I was looking at a post about the same laptop I got, he was trying lenny too |
| 05:41.26 | enouf | that model must be wrong, it's not even in .27 |
| 05:41.50 | enouf | or, it's a proprietary POS, and you need ndiswrapper |
| 05:41.57 | cmanns | heres another topic |
| 05:41.58 | cmanns | http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=35293&tstart=0 |
| 05:42.11 | cmanns | same instructions |
| 05:44.44 | enouf | don't you just love vfat? haha -> drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 8192 Dec 31 1969 p5 |
| 05:44.53 | cmanns | how the hell do i get x to stop loading??? |
| 05:44.57 | enouf | notice the date :-P |
| 05:45.19 | enouf | cmanns: tell your DE to not autologin, or kill your DM, or ... |
| 05:45.21 | cmanns | ctrl alt backspace gets it to quit, and it reloads :| |
| 05:45.36 | enouf | cmanns: do /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 05:45.42 | enouf | if you use gdm |
| 05:45.44 | Sling | thats because that key combination is supposed to make it restart |
| 05:45.49 | cmanns | odd |
| 05:45.52 | enouf | try kdm, xdm, etc |
| 05:45.55 | cmanns | I use that to quit it normally :P |
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| 05:46.15 | wols_ | cmanns: what does lspci -nn say about your ethernet? |
| 05:46.19 | enouf | cmanns: that actually kills it ungracefully |
| 05:46.29 | enouf | might leave open and locked files about |
| 05:46.54 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 05:47.26 | cmanns | wols_, once i cant get X to stop starting ill look it up |
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| 05:48.01 | enouf | cmanns: just drop to console - ctrl-alt-fn |
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| 05:48.51 | enouf | X is default on f7, so pick 1-6 :-P |
| 05:48.55 | cmanns | just comes right back up lol |
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| 05:49.33 | cmanns | alrite got it |
| 05:50.15 | cmanns | oh my god |
| 05:50.16 | cmanns | its back |
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| 05:50.47 | cmanns | this makes me wanna rm -rf |
| 05:50.56 | enouf | !nodm |
| 05:50.56 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 05:51.50 | enouf | i told you how to stop it, but you don't listen, so have fun ;-) |
| 05:52.00 | cmanns | i did tha |
| 05:52.01 | cmanns | t |
| 05:52.06 | cmanns | gdm stop |
| 05:52.11 | craigevil | if all else fails hit your pc with a hammer will stop it |
| 05:52.29 | cmanns | it said something warning gdm running then stopping, then i do it again, no output which means its stopped, i did it again and it said the warning and stopped gdm |
| 05:52.35 | cmanns | it kept restarting its self ;) |
| 05:52.46 | cmanns | echo false to default-dis.. worked it seems, thanks :) |
| 05:53.04 | cmanns | Yeah I see the ethernet adapter in lspci doesnt say much |
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| 05:53.29 | enouf | cmanns: run update-pciids |
| 05:53.48 | enouf | and usbids while you're at it |
| 05:53.55 | cmanns | I got the same pci id as in that topic... |
| 05:54.01 | cmanns | thats prolly my problem? |
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| 05:55.20 | enouf | there's no lspci output there |
| 05:55.34 | noborusa | how do i check if my etch has the so called md driver installed ? |
| 05:55.46 | noborusa | md , something with the software raid stuff |
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| 05:56.16 | enouf | noborusa: mdadm pkg |
| 05:56.37 | enouf | noborusa: how many HDDs are in your system? |
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| 05:58.07 | cmanns | ahh enouf the current kernel sky2 driver has support for my card it seems |
| 05:58.23 | cmanns | My cards just not working still due to the windows -> unix issue |
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| 05:59.02 | zentroll | hi all i'm a noob and may ask some stupid questions if thats all right |
| 05:59.03 | enouf | cmanns: current? |
| 05:59.33 | cmanns | yeah |
| 05:59.55 | enouf | cmanns: what's current? |
| 06:00.04 | cmanns | the one i got.. |
| 06:00.10 | enouf | no you don't |
| 06:00.11 | cmanns | lol doesn't matter anymore |
| 06:00.18 | cmanns | I gotta install windows ~_~ |
| 06:00.20 | enouf | wanna bet? |
| 06:00.31 | cmanns | Bet what? |
| 06:00.38 | enouf | your momma ;-) |
| 06:00.43 | cmanns | I think your lost bro |
| 06:00.59 | cmanns | The kernel has support for my card, or if it doesn't I patched the driver and it still doesnt load my card ;) |
| 06:01.17 | enouf | cmanns: better take your meds - the only current you got is the diarrehea dripping out of your mouth |
| 06:01.32 | cmanns | People that have MY laptop and used lenny, got it to work by doing what I did. I tried 3 BSD variants that SUPPORT my card also, and it never worked. |
| 06:01.43 | cmanns | Theres some issue with nics locking to windows ;) |
| 06:01.56 | enouf | your card has no support - you need a sledgehammer .. and your meds |
| 06:02.07 | cmanns | sigh |
| 06:02.14 | cmanns | really mature you are |
| 06:02.36 | cmanns | This is talk I'd expect from #ubuntu ~_~ |
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| 06:03.14 | enouf | plonk :-P into the b0z0 box you go ;-) but ,. i can't allow you to lie in the channel about unsupported devices |
| 06:03.25 | zentroll | i just installed debian on my laptop and want to watch movies on youtube i used synaptic package manager to install java-gcj-compat-dev and still can't watch movies on youtube can anyone point me in the direction i need to go? |
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| 06:03.43 | ArtVandalae | zentroll, you need flash, not java? |
| 06:04.00 | zentroll | umm i'll check that one |
| 06:04.07 | zentroll | let you know |
| 06:04.08 | noborusa | enouf, sorry for lagging ,i am talking to a client at the same time |
| 06:04.45 | noborusa | enouf, well, 1 HDD, and i plan to have it updated ,maybe with raid ,or maybe with sas/scsi hdd. |
| 06:04.48 | ArtVandalae | zentroll, I'm not at a debian box, but try: flash, or gnash or swfdec with the mozilla plugin |
| 06:05.15 | zentroll | k thank you |
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| 06:07.00 | enouf | noborusa: don't worry about mdadm with 1 HDD .. but sure, install it and read all the docs about it, etc if you like |
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| 06:08.23 | zentroll | brb just installed need to restart browser (using chatzilla) |
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| 06:14.12 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question when you added a user how do you changed. information on the user? |
| 06:14.46 | stew | TiMiDo: with usermod |
| 06:14.46 | topherbartos | carefully. |
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| 06:15.34 | lodder_ | I have an issue the jnl file isn't created by bind9 in lenny |
| 06:15.38 | noborusa | enouf, I see, thanks. |
| 06:15.38 | TiMiDo | stew, how can you changed the name of the user for example when you added a user it gives you the option that you can put Name and you can put bla bla bla |
| 06:16.56 | lodder_ | I have an issue the jnl file isn't created by bind9 in lenny, is there a reason, i've check the rights all ok, anybody got an idee? |
| 06:17.15 | enouf | chsh? |
| 06:17.19 | enouf | oops |
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| 06:18.23 | enouf | vipw? wtf? .. ch<something> :-P ... /me tab completes --> chfn ... ahh |
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| 06:19.30 | zentroll | ok i installed swj-player;libswfdec0.3 and java-gcj-compat;java-gcj-compat-dev using synaptic package manager so that i can watch movies on youtube and still can't anyone have any ideas or can direct me where to look/ do |
| 06:19.31 | zentroll | ? |
| 06:19.52 | jdrake | In a debian/rules file there is a touch $@ at the end of the build option. What is $@ going to be? |
| 06:19.56 | topherbartos | chfn = change full name |
| 06:19.58 | topherbartos | ? |
| 06:20.01 | wols_ | !tell zentroll about flash |
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| 06:20.15 | wols_ | topherbartos: man chfn will tell you |
| 06:20.24 | enouf | zentroll: i use what's in /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 06:20.34 | topherbartos | thanks thats how i figured it out. |
| 06:21.07 | enouf | zentroll: but if you need to click it in a browser, don't bother - i loathe bloated browsers + their plugin shit ;-) |
| 06:21.10 | zentroll | i'm unfarmiliar whith that / i'm a boob |
| 06:21.14 | zentroll | noob* |
| 06:22.09 | zentroll | umm search youtube in synaptic ? |
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| 06:22.30 | zentroll | sorry i'm confused |
| 06:22.49 | topherbartos | type it in zentroll |
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| 06:23.00 | topherbartos | "/msg dpkg youtube script" |
| 06:23.16 | zentroll | ohh sorry |
| 06:23.41 | topherbartos | no need to be sorry. "/" allows you to type in commands |
| 06:23.55 | topherbartos | "/join [chan |
| 06:23.57 | topherbartos | etc |
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| 06:28.42 | kmeyer | debian rocks |
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| 06:29.00 | topherbartos | it's alright. |
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| 06:29.18 | rush1 | In debian etch there is package firebird2 version 1.5.3 |
| 06:29.24 | rush1 | What's that means?) |
| 06:29.34 | zentroll | thank you for the help |
| 06:30.05 | zentroll | i'm going to sleep now will work on this more tomarrow cya |
| 06:30.33 | topherbartos | etch is stable it takes away for unstable packages to be included. |
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| 06:31.10 | topherbartos | s/away/awhile |
| 06:31.40 | enouf | kmeyer: indeed - even though Micropoop and many others send their trolls here to try and make us mean to (supposed) noobs, but they are turds, and we overcome their worthless smelly attempts ;-) |
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| 06:32.27 | enouf | !tell rush1 -about search |
| 06:33.00 | enouf | rush1: what do you mean-> "what's that mean" ? |
| 06:33.45 | topherbartos | Micropoop?! |
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| 06:34.08 | tralala | well, it's more like Megapoop, but you know what we mean |
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| 06:36.36 | topherbartos | i don't |
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| 06:39.25 | rush1 | enouf: I understand. Fireberd version 2 is firebird2.0 package ) |
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| 06:42.44 | lax | hi.. I want to upgrade not only 1 package, but all it's dependancies |
| 06:42.47 | lax | how do i do it? |
| 06:43.04 | stew | kamathln: aptitude install packagename |
| 06:43.06 | infinity1 | does debian have packages for being a vmwar eguest |
| 06:43.06 | cvirus | How can I select a package from aptitude's TUI for installation ? |
| 06:43.13 | infinity1 | er vmware |
| 06:43.45 | stew | cvirus: hitting / will let you search for packages. if you want to install a package (or a particular version of that package), hilight it and hit + |
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| 06:45.30 | cvirus | stew: thanks ... now .. have you got any clue which metapackage does aptitude use to install KDE ? |
| 06:46.06 | cvirus | from the TUI --> Tasks --> End-User --> KDE Desktop Env. |
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| 06:46.55 | mhymn | aptitude install kde kdm <-- is easier imho |
| 06:47.33 | cvirus | cool |
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| 06:49.00 | cvirus | mhymn: have you got any clue which metapackage does aptitude use for it ? |
| 06:49.09 | topherbartos | just apt-get install kde. kdm is redundant as its already installed .... or you can just use gdm to run it if you want. |
| 06:49.26 | topherbartos | you'd have to auto config the use of kdm if you want to use it |
| 06:49.46 | mhymn | !tell cvirus about install kde |
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| 06:49.54 | amol | hi to all i am building debian-install ..i am getting a message for command..make all_build is echo "*** Failed to add win32-loader, probably out of space." >&2) |
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| 06:51.25 | kamathln | stew: if i say aptitude install finch, and finch by itself does not have any updates, will it still check the dependencies for their updates ? that is what i want. |
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| 06:52.46 | xsdg | kamathln: for that, I typically use the aptitude TUI |
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| 06:54.57 | amol | echo "*** Failed to add win32-loader, probably out of space." >&2) |
| 06:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the best program to convert color postscript to ... svg, emf? |
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| 06:55.07 | jdrake | I have installed a custom compiled version of ffmpeg; after I go into aptitude and mark upgrades, it wants to upgrade ffmpeg; even though the current version (installed locally) is the SAME as in 'testing' on debian multimedia. I have tried 'holding' and forcing version, but *nothing* seems to get it through its thick headedness that I want to keep what I have now. Any ideas? |
| 06:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdrake, of course not |
| 06:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdrake, you need to make a package of it for apt to recognize it |
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| 06:56.49 | jelly-home | !+tell jdrake -about equivs |
| 06:56.49 | dpkg | told jdrake about equivs. |
| 06:56.51 | jdrake | CutMeOwnThroat, I did all that. I used apt-get source and all that. |
| 06:57.28 | jdrake | These are all deb files, I am not stupid enough to ask about something done outside of the dpkg stuff |
| 06:57.32 | jelly-home | jdrake: oh. give your package a bigger version then. pastebin apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 06:57.58 | tralala | jdrake, you can pin local packages as having higher priority than the repos |
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| 06:58.22 | jelly-home | jdrake: d-m packages might have versions with epoch, did you verify you really have version >= them? |
| 06:58.33 | jdrake | http://pastebin.com/m17f7c658 |
| 06:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdrake, what are the exact version numbers? probably some affix makes the "same" version higher in the repro |
| 06:58.50 | jdrake | The pastebin has it all |
| 06:59.07 | jdrake | d-m? |
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| 06:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | curious |
| 06:59.31 | jelly-home | I'm too lazy to write debian-multimedia |
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| 07:00.03 | jdrake | How do you pin local packages in that method tralala? |
| 07:00.45 | jelly-home | jdrake: yeah, apt can get confused when you have different packages with exact same version available. Make yours -0.2jdrake1 or whatever |
| 07:01.14 | jdrake | How do I do that when getting the things with apt-get source? |
| 07:01.29 | jelly-home | use dch to create a new changelog entry |
| 07:01.49 | jelly-home | (or edit debian/changelog manually) |
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| 07:02.00 | jdrake | ok |
| 07:02.13 | tralala | jdrake, either make a new changelog with a greater version or create a local repo and read about pinning |
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| 07:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | so any idea what else to use to go to editable format from a *color* postscript file...(svg, sk, possibly emf) pstoedit doesn't seem to get the color, neither does scribus |
| 07:02.33 | jdrake | I have seen a thing on pinning |
| 07:02.37 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 07:02.38 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 07:02.49 | tralala | if you often build from source having a local repo makes sense |
| 07:02.54 | jdrake | I think I will use the suffix on the package for portability. |
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| 07:03.33 | jdrake | I have recently been building some packages locally, either to upgrade them to a newer version from experimental, or to uupdate the odd one. |
| 07:03.45 | jelly-home | pinning will still be useful, if you want a newer package from d-m not to overwrite your already installed local one |
| 07:04.40 | jelly-home | but, pinning is also a dirty hack and buggy as hell, so read the 3rd party bugs page |
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| 07:07.39 | SJrX | Ah CutMeOwnThroat where are you? |
| 07:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... on my desk in front of the monitor |
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| 07:09.25 | jdrake | It seems that the ffmpeg packages and vlc had a problem when they came from debian multimedia, not playing the video or some such. Replacing ffmpeg with a recompiled copy seems to have fixed it some how. |
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| 07:11.06 | amol | echo "*** Failed to add win32-loader, probably out of space." >&2) |
| 07:11.40 | rebel_kid | how much hdd space does barebones minimum debian install take up? (if you know the total with mysql lighttp and php that would be helpful too) |
| 07:12.10 | jdrake | So debian/rules just gets the version from the top entry in the change log? |
| 07:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdrake, yes |
| 07:13.09 | jdrake | where does the file list come from? |
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| 07:14.52 | jdrake | I see now where the list comes from, but the list isn't accurate for my new version, is there a way to update the list automatically? |
| 07:14.52 | tralala | rebel_kid, ~500-600MB is my guess |
| 07:15.24 | rebel_kid | sweet |
| 07:15.30 | rebel_kid | i might be able to run it |
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| 07:17.42 | tralala | I have a debian install with zope, apache and a few other things (343 packages) taking 733MB |
| 07:17.55 | rebel_kid | nice |
| 07:18.06 | rebel_kid | it can be slow, i just need a development server |
| 07:18.24 | rebel_kid | im not gonna spend 170 a month while its in pre alpha lol |
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| 07:25.33 | jelly-home | jdrake: since you're in packaging territory, try also #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org for tips |
| 07:25.52 | jdrake | ok |
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| 07:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh - I found a solution, that seems to work near-perfect |
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| 07:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | (as if anyone was interested) |
| 07:30.43 | Unknown11143 | id try |
| 07:30.49 | Unknown11143 | erm, oops o_o |
| 07:31.20 | Lagbolt | solution to what? |
| 07:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I asked 15 and 25 minutes ago |
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| 07:32.57 | enouf | guesses pdftk? |
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| 07:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow, *so* impressed - I can even ungroup without major havock |
| 07:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, mean me? |
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| 07:33.54 | enouf | aye CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, can that convert at all? (answer is, no, not at all - but going via pdf) |
| 07:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it goes ps2pdf -> pdf2svg (and pdf2svg is a debian package I discovered yesterday) |
| 07:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and up to now it looks like the neatest conversion to svg that I've seen |
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| 07:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, it converted the text to... something |
| 07:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't have everything, I guess :) |
| 07:36.51 | lodder | Ho do I mount ext4 in lenny, If I try it i got this result: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 07:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext4? |
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| 07:37.47 | lodder | yes |
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| 07:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | we live and learn |
| 07:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ext4 |
| 07:38.07 | dpkg | methinks ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. |
| 07:38.32 | jdrake | Is ext4 safe yet? |
| 07:38.42 | lodder | jdrake: I want to try it |
| 07:38.43 | Werdna | waves. |
| 07:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | waves back |
| 07:39.13 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i recall using ghostview option when i tried it years back |
| 07:39.28 | enouf | erm, gs |
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| 07:39.29 | usicow | I did't get a reply in #ubuntu, so I'll ask here - if I have a user who is a member of two groups, should I be able to write to a directory owned by the second group the user is a member of? |
| 07:39.37 | jdrake | Is there any utility other than 'camelot' that can take a picture with the onboard webcam? Camelot has some opengl issue I cannot resolve, but I know it used to work. |
| 07:41.28 | usicow | basically I have a user that is a member of 2 groups. One group is the same as his username, and the other group is called 'mongrel'. Then how come that user cant write files to this directory: drwxrwxr-x 2 mongrel mongrel 4096 Oct 14 09:58 log. |
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| 07:42.02 | usicow | that directory allows the mongrel group to read write and execute right? |
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| 07:42.21 | usicow | and since the user is a member of the mongrel group, doesnt that mean he should be able to write in there? |
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| 07:42.53 | jdrake | usicow, if the directory you are writing to has g+w on it, and the user is a member of that, then yes |
| 07:43.12 | FSWolf | hi can any one help me get my ATI Drivers working proerply, 3d acselloration isnt working properly and it doesnt share 256 ram with mobo :? could some kind soul please lend me a hand ?? |
| 07:43.52 | usicow | jdrake, g+w means group writes are allowed right? isnt that indicated in 'drwxrwxr-x'? |
| 07:44.03 | usicow | the second w? |
| 07:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, the problem with pstoedit should (apparently) be that the postscript level2 uses constructs for color that pstoedit doesn't understand, and should be fixable by a gs option switching to level1 (which didn't work for me, though) |
| 07:44.05 | jdrake | yes |
| 07:44.10 | usicow | hmm |
| 07:44.23 | FSWolf | hi can any one help me get my ATI Drivers working proerply, 3d acselloration isnt working properly and it doesnt share 256 ram with mobo :? could some kind soul please lend me a hand ?? |
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| 07:44.31 | jim_p | hi guys |
| 07:44.36 | FSWolf | hello jim |
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| 07:45.06 | jim_p | what is the name of the package that allows mouse usage outside X enviroment? i am sure there is such package |
| 07:45.15 | usicow | jdrake: oh, does the user have to logout and log back in again once I add him to the mongrel group? |
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| 07:45.38 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27#head-a31e6993f244c620aa19d1c5fcc795014a4d426c |
| 07:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | usicow, check with groups, if he is already added in the shell you use - the change isn't instantaneous |
| 07:45.59 | jdrake | usicow, generally, but if you are in a terminal, then you can always use su to change users and then again to change back |
| 07:46.15 | usicow | I see.. thanks guys |
| 07:46.16 | FSWolf | any one had any luck getting an ATI 1600 modble card working with debian ?? |
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| 07:47.45 | usicow | if I write a script and run it, it runs under my own permissions, but what if that script runs another program.. under who's credentials is that program running under? |
| 07:48.06 | jim_p | i know i am getting mean now, but where are the dns servers stored in /etc? i found them a month ago |
| 07:48.20 | enouf | jim_p: gpm |
| 07:48.45 | jim_p | enouf: gpm? is this the pachake? |
| 07:48.51 | enouf | !tell jim_p -about gpm |
| 07:49.22 | jim_p | thanks! |
| 07:49.50 | infinity1 | i'm trying to install lenny in vmware workstation 5.5. is there a trick? the installer says it doesn't detect a hard drive! |
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| 07:50.56 | enouf | jim_p: i use my mouse in console using links2 in GUI mode (yes, in console) without gpm, but gpm is needed for anything else in console |
| 07:51.00 | julius | hello |
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| 07:52.19 | jim_p | enouf: i need to do some copy and paste |
| 07:52.37 | enouf | usicow: it's likely a subshell, so same perms, but google ruid and euid, and you should/could use strace to find out |
| 07:53.06 | enouf | jim_p: man console_codes :-P |
| 07:53.59 | jim_p | enouf: thanks :) |
| 07:54.17 | enouf | usicow: also, when you add a user to a group, you should logout/login that user, also note newgrp, but it has limitations, read man newgrp |
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| 07:59.25 | Henry-Nicolas | Hi, I'v got a problem with virtualbox (already asked on #virtualbox : no responses). It doesn't respect umask. I know it's a known bug, but isn't there any workaround for that ? |
| 08:00.00 | Werdna | Henry-Nicolas: what does #virtualbox say? *hides* |
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| 08:00.31 | Henry-Nicolas | Werdna : nothing, they all are sleeping (I guess) |
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| 08:00.51 | Henry-Nicolas | the bug is : http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/1260 |
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| 08:02.02 | tarzeau | ouch: http://www.nongnu.org/tong/ |
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| 08:04.34 | cydork | b |
| 08:04.44 | cydork | blah ... |
| 08:04.56 | liable | c |
| 08:05.00 | liable | crap.. |
| 08:05.36 | et | d |
| 08:05.39 | cydork | liable, i am just waking up.. need coffee.. |
| 08:05.40 | et | damn. |
| 08:06.02 | liable | cydork: ah, c coffee.. then :) |
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| 08:07.08 | cydork | walks to the dark corner.. |
| 08:08.18 | Tobias| | takes your dark corner and replaces it with a kettle for making coffee |
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| 08:17.52 | brunner | hi all |
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| 08:18.04 | brunner | would someone be willing to call me on skype so I can test something? |
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| 08:18.38 | cydork | brunner, are you a hot single blond with video cam? |
| 08:18.44 | brunner | uhh, sure. |
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| 08:19.01 | cydork | brunner, haa i don't like blonds.. |
| 08:19.04 | Radhad | hi |
| 08:19.05 | brunner | damn. |
| 08:19.20 | brunner | so nobody? |
| 08:19.35 | Radhad | I want to use USB under virtualbox, an I have found out that I have to give rights on the group "vboxusers" |
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| 08:20.14 | Radhad | but I don't know how I can find out the groupid for "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=<GroupID_vboxusers>,devmode=664 0 0" |
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| 08:20.34 | Henry-Nicolas | brunner : the fsf top 3 priority is to drop skype in flavor of free alternative (SIP for eg.) : anyway I don't have and don't use Skype. I assume you might have more success on this channel asking for a SIP test. |
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| 08:21.57 | brunner | SIP is great, but there is software available for Skype that would cost me a great deal more in labor to develop for asterisk |
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| 08:22.24 | brunner | unless you know of a cheap source of asterisk labor |
| 08:22.33 | Werdna | skype's pretty good. |
| 08:22.40 | Werdna | My apologies for the heresy |
| 08:23.11 | brunner | I'm not even a fan. I just want to use it for one specific purpose. |
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| 08:23.39 | brunner | Henry-Nicolas: dude, I even pre-ordered a G1, which is what I'll be using for 99% of my phone calls |
| 08:23.50 | brunner | Henry-Nicolas: what kind of firmware is running on your phone? |
| 08:23.52 | brunner | is it OSS? |
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| 08:24.05 | Henry-Nicolas | brunner: maybe would you have more luck (for a test) in a place with more skype users |
| 08:24.13 | brunner | any suggestions? |
| 08:24.22 | Henry-Nicolas | brunner: unfortunalty, it's not, but if you want to pay for me... |
| 08:24.52 | Henry-Nicolas | brunner: I don't know, maybe is there a skype channel on some IRC server ? |
| 08:24.59 | Werdna | try #defocus |
| 08:25.04 | brunner | bleh... there's one on undernet |
| 08:25.10 | Werdna | you have to wait for voice there, though :) |
| 08:25.40 | brunner | does anyone here code asterisk for hire? |
| 08:25.59 | brunner | asterisk scripting, even |
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| 08:29.17 | Henry-Nicolas | brunner: I don't want to annoy you (If if did, my apologies, I didn't want to) but for asterisk help, I assume that you will get more responses on #asterisk |
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| 08:31.55 | dqn | I have a bit unusual question. i have many different dictionary lookup tools for different languages. can I "group" them somehow in shell? |
| 08:32.24 | karsten | dqn: Group how? |
| 08:32.46 | dqn | for example I want to look at tools for english, and want to see a list of stuff available for english |
| 08:32.51 | karsten | dqn: You can define default dictionaries for a specific query. You could write shell aliases, functions, or scripts to do that for you. |
| 08:33.07 | karsten | dqn: man dict. '-D' option |
| 08:33.32 | dqn | that sounds interesting, thanks alot! |
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| 08:34.30 | Raylz | how many bugs open til lenny release? |
| 08:35.30 | dqn | karsten: let me just confirm something, dict will allow me to add my own scripts for lookups? |
| 08:35.31 | Radhad | what is the difference between devgid and gid? |
| 08:37.29 | Raylz | is there some program like eix for debian? |
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| 08:41.37 | dqn | karsten: I'm not sure what you meant, define default dictionaries in "dict"? |
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| 08:44.19 | dqn | karsten: what would a "specific query" look like? |
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| 08:45.54 | dqn | well thanks man but that's not really any help, I knew dict for many years and have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 08:49.35 | dqn | I've checked the -D option in dict, it only allows to select one of it's own databases, not some perl script I wrote myself |
| 08:49.53 | dqn | can anyone give me a clue on this? |
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| 08:50.25 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
| 08:50.27 | dqn | well thanks for nothing |
| 08:50.38 | Laeborg|Lap | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 08:52.06 | adb | Laeborg: dpkg -l | grep aptitude |
| 08:52.13 | karsten | dqn: Sorry, afk. |
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| 08:52.28 | karsten | dqn: You can *always* write your own wrapper around a utility to do some specific task. |
| 08:52.30 | Laeborg|Lap | adb: nothing |
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| 08:52.38 | dqn | karsten: oh I see |
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| 08:52.43 | idimmu | apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 08:52.46 | adb | Laeborg: than install it |
| 08:52.50 | idimmu | what is this, rocket science |
| 08:53.01 | idimmu | also afaik aptitude offers no more features over apt-get nowadays |
| 08:53.12 | karsten | dqn: Eg: I've got a command, 'cityinfo', I use to query the Gazateer databases (which are queried through dict. |
| 08:53.19 | Laeborg|Lap | i througt aptitude was a "standard" debian command |
| 08:53.28 | karsten | dqn: cityinfo () { dict -d gaz2k-places "$@"; } |
| 08:53.36 | Phlogi | how can I install a 2.6 kernel? I can't find a package? |
| 08:53.38 | Phlogi | I'm using unstable |
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| 08:53.41 | karsten | dqn: So the question becomes: what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:54.11 | karsten | Phlogi: linux-image-2.6 |
| 08:54.32 | karsten | Phlogi: That will keep you current on the latest 2.6 kernel image for your architecture. |
| 08:54.42 | adb | Laeborg: maybe you installed it ... |
| 08:54.57 | adb | uninstalled * |
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| 08:55.11 | dqn | karsten: looking for some standardized way to query all the different dictionaries |
| 08:55.45 | dqn | karsten: and it's not only dict but many different utilities from the internet |
| 08:57.01 | dqn | what you are saying is that 1. I could build a "warapper" around every tool so it works with dict 2. create a nice sounding alias |
| 08:57.21 | dqn | karsten: that sounds like a good idea, how will I group all the aliases though :S |
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| 08:57.55 | dqn | let's say I want to display all aliases for looking up french words with one command/keystroke |
| 08:58.36 | Phlogi | kasimon: I don't have that package |
| 08:58.47 | Phlogi | Oh, I do |
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| 08:59.02 | karsten | dqn: Well, there's also surfraw. |
| 08:59.27 | karsten | dqn: Eg: you want something that's pre-packaged that will query Google, various currency converters, and other stuff, through a browser. |
| 09:00.09 | karsten | dqn: If you'd give me an idea of the types of commands/queries you're running and what you expect to get back I'd have a clearer picture of where you're going. |
| 09:00.29 | karsten | Phlogi: . . . |
| 09:00.51 | dqn | karsten: wow surf row seems very interesting |
| 09:01.00 | dqn | *surfraw |
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| 09:01.55 | Raylz | im having some strange stuff with my update manager and network manager icon |
| 09:02.20 | Raylz | the update manager says, that there are 3 updates, though i cant see any |
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| 09:02.42 | Raylz | the network manager shows a non connected symbol although im writing here |
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| 09:02.49 | karsten | dqn: I like being able to 'google' from the commandline. It will use whatever is defined (IIRC) as sensible-browser, through /etc/alternatives. I find it's nice to run it w/ w3m or another console-mode browser as the default. |
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| 09:07.25 | dqn | karsten: what types of commands? just standard lookup tools that work in a way that you give them some arguments and they spew some text back. |
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| 09:09.02 | bolt-work | Raylz: check with apt-get/aptitude to see if there are actually any updates |
| 09:09.04 | dqn | karsten: like for example a simple utility that if you give it a chinese character, it prints out the entry from CCDICT (a dictionary file with chinese glymphs):S |
| 09:10.15 | Raylz | bolt-work: i did for aptitude, thats why im wondering |
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| 09:10.30 | bolt-work | Raylz: and were there? |
| 09:11.19 | Raylz | bolt-work: no |
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| 09:11.53 | bolt-work | Raylz: then try restarting the update manager and/or submit a bug on it. perhaps try running it in a console and see if it outputs something? verbose mode, perhaps? |
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| 09:12.00 | karsten | dqn: One sec |
| 09:12.08 | Raylz | bolt-work: do you use lenny? |
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| 09:12.32 | Raylz | bolt-work: good idea, havent thought of that yet |
| 09:12.33 | karsten | dqn: |
| 09:12.35 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/19254/ |
| 09:12.47 | bolt-work | Raylz: I use sarge, etch, lenny.. and I think I have a potato machine too. I also screw around with sid/experimental on a separate machine. how so? |
| 09:13.14 | Raylz | bolt-work: did you experience the same problems on your lenny? |
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| 09:13.36 | karsten | dqn: There's 79 defines searches, and I believe you can further define your own. Basically all you need to know is the URL and search syntax. |
| 09:13.52 | bolt-work | Raylz: I avoid GUI applications whenever I can |
| 09:14.00 | bolt-work | Raylz: no update manager |
| 09:14.03 | karsten | dqn: I only use a veyr small subset. |
| 09:14.16 | Raylz | bolt-work: i dont use it either |
| 09:14.26 | bolt-work | Raylz: then don't, and be happy :) |
| 09:14.26 | Raylz | it just comes with gnome meta package |
| 09:14.36 | bolt-work | disable? |
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| 09:15.36 | dqn | karsten: wow thats very interesting |
| 09:15.45 | Raylz | bolt-work: how? |
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| 09:16.52 | Raylz | bolt-work: oh, found it |
| 09:16.56 | Raylz | fkin autostart |
| 09:17.13 | dqn | karsten: looks like a lice utility for extracting essencial information from web searches |
| 09:17.47 | Raylz | bolt-work: that still leaves NM open though :D |
| 09:18.10 | Raylz | and wlan without NM is |
| 09:18.54 | Raylz | unhandy |
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| 09:24.30 | karsten | dqn: That's the basic idea. |
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| 09:25.15 | karsten | dqn: Just FYI, the commands aren't placed in the search path by default but in /usr/lib/surfraw/<commandname> to keep from cluttering stuff up too much. |
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| 09:33.20 | funyun | i'm trying to update wine and i get this error. http://pastebin.ca/1227650 . anyone know what's going on? |
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| 09:34.37 | wols_ | funyun: yes you mix wine frm different places |
| 09:34.55 | wols_ | judd: info linwine |
| 09:35.33 | funyun | wols_: do ya know how i can fix this? |
| 09:35.44 | wols_ | yes. don't mix from different repos |
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| 09:35.58 | wols_ | stick with the debian ones |
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| 09:36.43 | karsten | funyun: You set that in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 09:37.30 | funyun | wols_: i needed the newest version of wine. so i added their repos. is there a way for getting the newest version with debian? |
| 09:37.42 | Raylz | does someone work with gjc? |
| 09:37.49 | Raylz | does it work well? |
| 09:37.50 | wols_ | !tell funyun about search |
| 09:38.22 | wols_ | funyun: or completely uninstall wine and then get it |
| 09:39.10 | Raylz | gcj* |
| 09:39.57 | adb | !tell Raylz about ask |
| 09:40.00 | themill | funyun: 1.0rc1 is on backports.org |
| 09:40.24 | omry | anyone knows if it's possible to run nfs4 server (and clients) on etch? |
| 09:40.59 | themill | Raylz: hit and miss. If things compile with it, then use it as your first preference; if they don't, then look at open-jdk6 from lenny/sid for a free java6 implementation. Alternatively, there's sun-java6 for etch/lenny/sid for non-free java. |
| 09:41.23 | Raylz | themill: yes, whats the difference, if there is any? |
| 09:41.45 | Raylz | does openjdk contain a compiler too? |
| 09:42.03 | themill | Raylz: of course. difference between what and what? free and non-free? |
| 09:42.23 | Raylz | themill: between the gcj and openjdk compiler |
| 09:42.45 | Raylz | i suppose openjdk is gpl |
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| 09:43.42 | wols_ | themill: does gcj generate bytecode or machine code only? |
| 09:43.56 | wols_ | omry: it is |
| 09:44.07 | themill | wols_: either |
| 09:44.08 | funyun | themil: i'm not sure what you mean? |
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| 09:44.25 | omry | wols_, are there backports or will I have to compile it? |
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| 09:44.41 | wols_ | !nfs |
| 09:44.41 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 09:44.57 | Raylz | themill: i had problems with swing and gcj |
| 09:45.02 | omry | wols_, yes, already asked dpkg |
| 09:45.07 | themill | Raylz: I think gcj currently only handles java 1.4 source and bytecode formats. Its library implementation is patchy. /msg dpkg icedtea |
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| 09:45.40 | themill | Raylz: yes, swing will be poorly implemented in the gcj libraries, but you can compile with gcj and run against sun java or openjdk and it should perform fine. |
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| 09:46.25 | wols_ | omry: you didn't look |
| 09:46.33 | wols_ | grep -i nfs /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 09:46.40 | themill | Raylz: personally, I've pretty much given up on gcj and use either sun java or (nor) openjdk. But if you can get things to work with gcj rather than sun java then they are more free which is A Good Thing (TM). |
| 09:47.26 | Raylz | themill: ye, thats why im not thinkin about not using sun's java |
| 09:47.34 | Raylz | -not |
| 09:47.37 | omry | wols_, looks like my kernel is compiled with nfs4 on etch. (CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y) |
| 09:47.53 | omry | wols_, how do i verify that my nfs version is actually 4? |
| 09:48.08 | Raylz | themill: i give openjdk a try |
| 09:48.09 | wols_ | gives up |
| 09:48.20 | themill | Raylz: so if you're using lenny/sid, then look at openjdk ;) |
| 09:48.53 | Raylz | yes, lenny for me |
| 09:49.15 | omry | wols_, is it hard to say clearly : "if your kernel is comipled with nfs4 support that is what it will use" ? because it's not obvious at all. it's also compiled with nfs3. |
| 09:49.23 | themill | Raylz: as a bonus, there is an openjdk-based browser plugin for architectures other than i386 too. |
| 09:49.42 | themill | dpkg: tell funyun about backports.org |
| 09:49.58 | Raylz | themill: java isnt rly used any more on client side |
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| 09:50.33 | themill | Raylz: I disagree. I use a lot of java client and plugin stuff on a daily basis. |
| 09:50.55 | Raylz | themill: like? |
| 09:51.04 | wols_ | omry: some people are too dense to explain something... |
| 09:51.16 | omry | wols_, fuck off. |
| 09:51.19 | wols_ | themill: don't tell directhex :P |
| 09:51.26 | themill | heh |
| 09:51.50 | wols_ | omry: keep yourself civil kiddo |
| 09:52.06 | Raylz | themill: the only thing i come around sometimes are jsp |
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| 09:52.47 | je | why doesn t this work? "echo hello | read a" |
| 09:52.51 | themill | Raylz: I use jabref for reference management, various latex-utilities that are java based, openoffice.org has some of its plotting functions written in java these days (I think). There's a lot of client side java stuff still. |
| 09:53.01 | omry | wols_, you are an arrogant person. I have nothing more to say to you. thanks for trying. |
| 09:53.15 | funyun | themill: i already have that repo |
| 09:53.37 | themill | funyun: so follow the instructions on backports.org; aptitude -t etch-backports install wine |
| 09:54.15 | Raylz | fkin msn should be forbidden |
| 09:54.26 | wols_ | themill: that won't get him what he wants 1.0 vs 1.1 |
| 09:54.29 | Raylz | conn problems all the time |
| 09:54.49 | karsten | je: Um, what do you expect to have happen? |
| 09:54.56 | themill | wols_: he only said "latest". I'd take that to mean latest stable not latest development, oh well. |
| 09:55.07 | Raylz | themill: and that online? |
| 09:55.36 | karsten | je: ... and I think it's the subshell problem. |
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| 09:56.19 | je | karsten, yes someone told me to use <<< |
| 09:56.46 | Tobias| | Could somebody show me how to connect to a WPA2 secured network using the CLI? |
| 09:57.14 | MaliutaLap | Tobias|: use the wpa- extensions to ifupdown |
| 09:57.25 | Tobias| | Thanks ^^ |
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| 10:02.31 | funyun | themill: that worked, but it still gives me the old version of wine. i need the new version |
| 10:02.34 | jelly | je: or a=$(echo hello) ;-) |
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| 10:03.11 | themill | funyun: define new. You have a different expectation to me about what version you want. My ESP-over-TCP/IP isn't working so well today. |
| 10:03.15 | wols_ | funyun: uninstall ALL of wine and get it from winehq then |
| 10:03.21 | Raylz | je: or a=`echo hello` |
| 10:03.43 | wols_ | themill: wine 1.1 is not CVS |
| 10:03.45 | jelly | Raylz: backticks evil. |
| 10:03.45 | funyun | wols_: that's what i did in the first place. that's what gave me the error |
| 10:03.52 | wols_ | funyun: you did not |
| 10:04.10 | wols_ | funyun: learn what the word "ALL" means |
| 10:04.11 | themill | wols_: it is really. It's clearly marked as a development version vs a stable version. |
| 10:04.13 | Raylz | jelly why? |
| 10:04.17 | funyun | wols_: i did apt-get remove wine |
| 10:04.18 | je | Raylz, jelly: but is there a way to do multiple assignments in one line? |
| 10:04.27 | jelly | Raylz: they don't nest well |
| 10:04.32 | wols_ | themill: you're right. mea culpa |
| 10:04.38 | wols_ | funyun: I know what you did |
| 10:04.52 | je | such as cut -d ',' -f 1-2 | read a b would do |
| 10:05.05 | wols_ | funyun: is libwine part of wine? |
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| 10:05.08 | themill | wols_: :) It looks like 1.0.x will make it into unstable and the 1.1.x series is being held off in experimental for the time being. |
| 10:05.26 | Raylz | je: just use the ; |
| 10:05.34 | funyun | wols_: i guess? |
| 10:05.46 | jelly | funyun, wols_: winehq's package conflicts/replaces all the relevant debian packages, you're not supposed to have problems with libwine-* |
| 10:05.48 | wols_ | funyun: is libwine part of wine? |
| 10:05.51 | Raylz | je: a=`echo foo`; b=`echo bar` |
| 10:06.01 | funyun | wols_: yes? |
| 10:06.06 | wols_ | funyun: is libwine part of wine? |
| 10:06.14 | tralala | heh |
| 10:06.29 | wols_ | jelly: there is evidence to the contrary here. feel free to ingore reality |
| 10:06.38 | funyun | wols_: no? |
| 10:06.41 | wols_ | funyun: is libwine part of wine? |
| 10:06.51 | funyun | wols_: sometimes? |
| 10:06.55 | themill | heh |
| 10:07.02 | tralala | funyun, try to give back an answer, not a question </hint> |
| 10:07.05 | wols_ | funyun: have fun solving your problem. have a nice day |
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| 10:07.41 | enouf | whoa |
| 10:07.59 | enouf | !sns |
| 10:07.59 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 10:08.41 | jelly | funyun: can you pastebin "apt-cache show wine"? |
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| 10:08.56 | enouf | feels like smacking the !need factoid, but restrains himself for now ;-) |
| 10:09.06 | funyun | jelly: i just removed it. |
| 10:09.13 | funyun | wine* |
| 10:09.23 | jelly | funyun: that doesn't answer my question, though |
| 10:09.47 | wols_ | jelly: just a hint. dpkg -l would be a lot more useful... |
| 10:09.53 | enouf | nor does his answer matter, since it's not relevant |
| 10:10.19 | jelly | wols_: I'm interested in a possible bug in winehq's build |
| 10:10.37 | jelly | their package has worked for me here |
| 10:10.46 | themill | enouf: wine is one of those things that I can cope with chasing new versions for; its progress since etch was released is quite remarkable. (the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are somewhat less, however) |
| 10:10.48 | funyun | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1227698 |
| 10:11.11 | tralala | funyun, aparently the wine you're trying to install silently conflicts with libwine, so remove libwine and install again |
| 10:11.43 | jelly | funyun: Ah. So their package is buggy, it is missing a "Replaces: libwine" |
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| 10:12.08 | jelly | only has conflicts, which is not good enough when overwriting files |
| 10:12.12 | andrboot | Hi anyone have an idea about installing freenx on debian lenny/testing? |
| 10:12.31 | andrboot | ive hunted around and only to dissapointment |
| 10:12.42 | jelly | funyun: you will have to remove the conficting pieces of debian's wine manually before installing it |
| 10:12.53 | enouf | themill: ofcourse differing software have various amount of leaps and bounds between releases/versions, but wine has never interested me (since i equate it with Redmond software), so i wouldn't know about that one |
| 10:13.08 | wols_ | andrboot: ask a specific question |
| 10:13.33 | themill | enouf: well, likewise. Except that for some things it's either use wine or use a vm. And I know which I'd prefer. |
| 10:13.37 | andrboot | wols_ ok.. anyone know the repo line for the repo's that store the freenx binarey deb file for lenny/testing i386 |
| 10:13.39 | funyun | jelly: how do i find the conflicting pieces? i've removed libwine aswell |
| 10:13.53 | jelly | funyun: libwine apparent was one |
| 10:13.57 | themill | funyun: dpkg -l \*wine* | grep ^ii |
| 10:14.04 | wols_ | !freenx |
| 10:14.04 | dpkg | i guess freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 10:14.08 | jelly | grep ^.i maybe |
| 10:14.16 | themill | yeah, good point |
| 10:14.30 | funyun | "ii libwine 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 Windows API implementation - library" |
| 10:14.41 | jelly | funyun: you didn't remove it. |
| 10:14.42 | themill | funyun: so you seem to have failed at removing libwine. |
| 10:14.50 | enouf | themill: hrm, i doubt either are an option here, since Konqueror can't even stop crashing when opening a site like buy.com .. lmao |
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| 10:15.10 | themill | enouf: :( |
| 10:15.13 | s0lid | hi |
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| 10:15.23 | s0lid | is there a .deb package for CPAN in debian etch? |
| 10:15.30 | funyun | themill: it's gone now |
| 10:15.40 | themill | dpkg: tell s0lid about dh-make-perl |
| 10:16.11 | jelly | s0lid: cpan shell itself is in perl package |
| 10:16.13 | themill | s0lid: you'll find many cpan modules are already packaged, so make sure you search properly first (e.g. using apt-file) |
| 10:16.23 | s0lid | hmmm... |
| 10:16.26 | s0lid | oh great :) |
| 10:16.30 | s0lid | haha... test all |
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| 10:16.46 | s0lid | err i mean thank all |
| 10:16.55 | s0lid | it is in perl package :) |
| 10:17.06 | jelly | !+tell s0lid -about search |
| 10:17.06 | dpkg | told s0lid about search. |
| 10:17.18 | themill | s0lid: I'd still recommend dh-make-perl over using the cpan shell directly |
| 10:17.18 | s0lid | :) yup you are all right |
| 10:17.42 | s0lid | themill, ok i'll look into it thanks bro |
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| 10:20.44 | funyun | now, "dpkg -l \*wine* | grep ^ii" doesn't show anything.. |
| 10:21.30 | andrboot | wols_ that would be great if those repo's were onlin.e |
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| 10:23.10 | wols_ | andrboot: then go to nomachine's site |
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| 10:24.12 | andrboot | wols_ :p i want the deb's for a reason.. oh well ill try something else. |
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| 10:24.44 | wols_ | andrboot: they HAVE debs! |
| 10:24.46 | wols_ | duh |
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| 10:24.55 | andrboot | wols_ no for freenx though. |
| 10:26.13 | wols_ | andrboot: fucking google it. the berlios page has repos |
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| 10:35.06 | buntfalke | How to type the "Paragraph"-Sign on an US-Keyboard? |
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| 10:36.50 | themill | buntfalke: if you have a compose/multi key enabled, "Multi p !"; /msg dpkg compose |
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| 10:37.18 | buntfalke | no, that has me end up with a newline symbol: ¶ |
| 10:37.29 | themill | err so what do you want? |
| 10:37.30 | buntfalke | I search this: § (copy&pasted) |
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| 10:37.45 | themill | multi s o |
| 10:37.56 | buntfalke | thanks! |
| 10:38.04 | themill | (that's called a section symbol not a paragraph symbol btw) |
| 10:38.13 | Raylz | is there any app similar to eix? |
| 10:38.13 | wols_ | themill: in german it is |
| 10:38.17 | greeq | hey how do i mount an iso file in lenny? |
| 10:38.24 | buntfalke | wols_: ack |
| 10:38.46 | Raylz | greeq: get gmountiso |
| 10:38.47 | themill | wols_: ahh... but not in the UTF-8 symbol descriptions (or in english) :( |
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| 10:39.16 | tralala | greeq, using a loop mount. Read all about it in man mount |
| 10:39.40 | Raylz | greeq: hm, doesnt seem to be in the repositories |
| 10:40.36 | greeq | hmm.. but do we really need a software at all? can it be done with mount or something? |
| 10:40.40 | mhymn | !tell greeq about mount iso |
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| 10:42.47 | Raylz | greeq: its easier using software |
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| 10:43.43 | greeq | ya thats. i need some manager kinda thing |
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| 10:48.15 | MZM | any ideas how to control fan speed on Sun Fire X2100 running lenny? |
| 10:48.18 | jelly | greeq: you don't need any additional software, just need to be root and "mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /some/mount/point" |
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| 10:49.39 | greeq | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 10:50.23 | greeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.00 | Laeborg|Lap | http://pastebin.com/d7268dfb |
| 10:53.30 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: why are you running startkde as root? |
| 10:53.41 | Laeborg|Lap | i got some errors when i try as a user |
| 10:53.57 | Laeborg|Lap | http://pastebin.com/db1ea80e |
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| 10:54.16 | rocketmagnet | hello, does someone know in which package i can find the "arch" binary |
| 10:54.17 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: you never want to run X stuff as root, particularly not an entire desktop environment. |
| 10:54.38 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: are you running this over an ssh connection or something |
| 10:54.44 | Laeborg|Lap | yup |
| 10:54.55 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: so what do you expect will happen? |
| 10:55.23 | Laeborg|Lap | well i hope i can get kde up'n'running so i can connect to the server via NX |
| 10:55.28 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: where do you think the KDE menu, task bar, system tray etc will appear? |
| 10:55.58 | Laeborg|Lap | i know i can't see kde via the ssh tunnel, but i need to get the kde up'n'running ;) |
| 10:57.17 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.19 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: you need to start a virtual X session first so you can run KDE inside that. It is to that session that vnc will connect. apt-cache showpkg vncserver |
| 10:57.29 | themill | adb: really? |
| 10:57.47 | Laeborg|Lap | but how to start x server ? |
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| 10:58.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.30 | Laeborg|Lap | http://pastebin.com/d763545c7 |
| 10:59.10 | themill | adb: this is on a remote connection for a virtual X session. You're really not helping. |
| 10:59.34 | Raylz | adb: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 11:00.12 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: you need to run a vnc server which will create a virtual x session inside it and you can run kdm or startkde within that. |
| 11:00.55 | Laeborg|Lap | do i need a vnc server when i will use nomachine ? |
| 11:01.15 | Raylz | Laeborg|Lap: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 11:01.20 | Raylz | tried that already? |
| 11:01.23 | themill | no! ffs |
| 11:01.28 | Laeborg|Lap | yup Raylz |
| 11:01.30 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: no idea. |
| 11:01.45 | Laeborg|Lap | Starting K Display Manager: kdm. |
| 11:02.09 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: never used it; stop running random commands and think about what you're trying to do here |
| 11:02.30 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 11:02.56 | Laeborg|Lap | tralala: start kde, i want to connect to my server via nomachine |
| 11:03.30 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: you've got the order of that wrong. You want to be able to connection to your machine using NX and when you do, you want to see KDE. |
| 11:04.11 | Laeborg|Lap | themill: thats true, but kde must run before i can connect using NX |
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| 11:04.49 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: and KDE has to be running inside a virtual X session. So you need a virtual X session running. x != ssh connection. |
| 11:05.17 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, does it have to be nx? you can configure your DM(kdm) to accept network logins |
| 11:05.28 | themill | (or a real x session running on the display, but since you don't have X installed, you don't want that) |
| 11:05.47 | Laeborg|Lap | well i have done it this way before with no problems, but the problem atm is that i cant startkde |
| 11:06.02 | Laeborg|Lap | http://pastebin.com/db1ea80e |
| 11:06.20 | greeq | hows acetoneiso ? |
| 11:06.22 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: I bet you haven't. |
| 11:06.38 | Laeborg|Lap | i think i did it this way :S |
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| 11:07.12 | Laeborg|Lap | 1: install kde, 2: install nx, 3: startkde, 4: connect via nx :S |
| 11:07.20 | rnix | hi, how can i connect initially to the default postgresql installation? |
| 11:07.35 | rnix | and create databases, change passwords, etc..? |
| 11:08.28 | tralala | rnix, using the postgres user. I don't remember the exact username though: check it out |
| 11:08.44 | themill | Laeborg|Lap: there needs to be a "start virtual x session" in there. Whether that x session is created by vnc, nx or is your real desktop session is up to you. |
| 11:08.57 | tralala | rnix, also see /usr/share/doc/postgre* |
| 11:10.04 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, do you want a persistent kde session or a new one for every login? |
| 11:10.28 | Laeborg|Lap | a persistent session |
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| 11:11.09 | pozic | How do I select the language to translate to when using dict? |
| 11:11.57 | rnix | tralala: will have a look |
| 11:12.08 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, so enable autologin in kdm, start it and run nx as the autologin user (or in ~/.kde/Autostart/) |
| 11:13.12 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, you need to have everything installed on the server because the session will be run and kept there |
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| 11:13.22 | Laeborg|Lap | its a VPS in germany |
| 11:13.25 | pozic | I don't need to select anything, but can I see a list of words known to dict? |
| 11:13.44 | pozic | It seems that the installed extra packages don't contain common words. |
| 11:13.45 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, that makes no difference |
| 11:14.01 | Laeborg|Lap | how do i then select auto login in kdm ? |
| 11:14.01 | tralala | as long as you don't violate the terms of use |
| 11:14.22 | tralala | by editing /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 11:15.18 | themill | tralala: how is autologin useful in this? (I've never used nx, only vnc/rdp stuff, but I've never used kdm inside those sessions at all) |
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| 11:16.26 | tralala | themill, it will start a kde session without user interaction, nx, vnc or whatever will then attach to this session and you'll be ready to go. |
| 11:16.46 | Laeborg|Lap | tralala: i have done that now |
| 11:16.54 | Capkirk | when i try to upgrade etch -> lenny i do the usual stuff switch sources to lenny && update -> apt-get upgrade -> apt-get dist-upgrade, but nothing happens i only get : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:17.22 | greeq | i cant find ./configure after using tar on acetone package. it says no suck directory. |
| 11:17.37 | Capkirk | greeq: configure is not a directory |
| 11:17.39 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, now start kdm, start the nx server for that session and enjoy |
| 11:17.43 | themill | tralala: it can only start the kde session if an X session exists though. So you still need an X session of some description, and if you are starting an x session with vncserver or something, then you can have that call startkde rather than using kdm |
| 11:17.58 | Capkirk | greeq: its a file - a configure script |
| 11:17.59 | Laeborg|Lap | Cannot create /var/run/kdm/Xaccess |
| 11:18.05 | greeq | Capkirk, http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html i m trying to follow this |
| 11:18.12 | tralala | themill, oh, right... |
| 11:18.28 | tralala | my bad, I ignored the vps part |
| 11:18.37 | greeq | see i m in the package directory |
| 11:18.37 | Capkirk | greeq: why would you install software from source when you run debian? ;-) |
| 11:18.56 | greeq | just want to know how its done |
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| 11:19.12 | Capkirk | greeq: ok cool |
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| 11:19.29 | Capkirk | greeq: then there should be a file named configure in the directory |
| 11:19.53 | Capkirk | greeq: or at least there should be if that packages use a configure script which is the normal way of doing things |
| 11:20.08 | tralala | Laeborg|Lap, you'd need a no-display X server such as vnc. nx might supply one as well |
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| 11:20.25 | greeq | see i'll send u a paste link. i m doin something wrong i dunno what |
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| 11:21.07 | greeq | Capkirk, http://nopaste.com/p/aqUZZfHQG |
| 11:21.51 | Capkirk | greeq: ls -al and paste that to me |
| 11:21.58 | greeq | k |
| 11:23.11 | greeq | http://nopaste.com/p/adfyXecke |
| 11:24.32 | Capkirk | greeq: jump into the src/ dir its problery in there and always remember to read the README |
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| 11:25.13 | greeq | ok |
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| 11:26.02 | greeq | not there. where is this folder extracted ? |
| 11:26.25 | Capkirk | cd cd acetoneiso2/src/ |
| 11:26.30 | Capkirk | greeq: sorry |
| 11:26.34 | Capkirk | greeq: cd acetoneiso2/src/ |
| 11:26.58 | greeq | no no.. where is this "acetone" |
| 11:27.26 | Capkirk | greeq: the acetoneiso2? |
| 11:28.06 | greeq | when i tar anything where does it go? |
| 11:28.38 | Capkirk | greeq: you unpack the packages to the acetoneiso2 directory? |
| 11:28.41 | greeq | acetone in this case.. so that i can find this configure file |
| 11:29.12 | greeq | i just did tar xvjf package.tar.bz2 |
| 11:29.15 | Capkirk | greeq: if you do tar czvf package.tgz it will problery end up in a directory called package |
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| 11:29.39 | Capkirk | greeq: yeah but you dont hat a file called package.tar.bz2 |
| 11:30.03 | Capkirk | greeq: you need to substitute "package" with the name of the file you have downloaded |
| 11:30.22 | greeq | ya that was /home/jake/Desktop/acetone*.bz2 |
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| 11:30.42 | Capkirk | greeq: ok fine then you have a dir called acetone now? |
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| 11:30.44 | greeq | done that |
| 11:30.58 | Capkirk | greeq: then cd acetone/ |
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| 11:31.08 | Capkirk | greeq: and again cd src/ |
| 11:31.18 | greeq | my bad sorry sorry |
| 11:31.22 | greeq | that was dumb |
| 11:31.24 | greeq | :) |
| 11:31.33 | Capkirk | greeq: yeah abit |
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| 11:32.09 | Capkirk | greeq: you are proberly better of with reading a howto about manipulating files a dirs in linux enviroment before compiling your own programs ;-) |
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| 11:32.51 | greeq | ok . i should probably read trhe readme now :) |
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| 11:34.14 | greeq | Capkirk, see this http://nopaste.com/p/aMo5Tc230 |
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| 11:36.03 | Capkirk | greeq: have you done "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 11:36.28 | hausha | I have just attached my haupagge pvr-150 card on my debian system and installed the ivtv-tools etc. Why isn't video device listed in /dev ? Is there anything I need to before it appears ? |
| 11:37.59 | Capkirk | hausha: proberly need drivers? |
| 11:38.16 | greeq | no Capkirk . it wont create any problems? |
| 11:38.34 | hausha | Capkirk, I heard that Debian Etch comes with v4l drivers for this card |
| 11:38.37 | Capkirk | greeq: dont know |
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| 11:38.48 | Capkirk | hausha: hmm im not sure can't remember |
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| 11:39.08 | Capkirk | greeq: try |
| 11:39.15 | greeq | heh. ok |
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| 11:53.56 | greeq | Capkirk, i cant find libqt-qt4 |
| 11:53.57 | wols_ | greeq: what debian version? |
| 11:53.57 | greeq | lenny |
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| 11:53.58 | greeq | acetoneiso 's readme says i have to have that |
| 11:53.58 | themill | judd: versions libqt4-core |
| 11:53.58 | judd | themill: libqt4-core: 4.2.1-2+etch1 (etch) 4.2.1-2+etch1 (etch-security) 4.4.0-4 (lenny) 4.4.3-1 (sid) |
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| 11:53.58 | ComradeHaz | hey guys, why is the latest version of Wine not in any of the Debian repo's? |
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| 11:53.59 | wols_ | greeq: libqt4 seach for it |
| 11:53.59 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: because no one packaged it ye |
| 11:53.59 | abrotman | yet |
| 11:53.59 | themill | judd: versions wine |
| 11:53.59 | judd | themill: wine: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch) 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.0.0-1 (lenny) 1.0.0-1 (sid) 1.1.5-1 (experimental) |
| 11:53.59 | themill | ComradeHaz: ^^ what version are you looking for? |
| 11:53.59 | ComradeHaz | latest is 1.1.15 |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | no .. latest is 1.1.6 |
| 11:54.00 | ComradeHaz | uh, mehbe |
| 11:54.01 | abrotman | released five days ago |
| 11:54.01 | ComradeHaz | ah |
| 11:54.01 | greeq | got it |
| 11:54.01 | ComradeHaz | ok |
| 11:54.23 | ComradeHaz | hmm, fair enough then |
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| 12:05.09 | superlinux | how may i catch the stderr messages and pipe them? |
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| 12:08.20 | liable | superlinux: google a bash howto |
| 12:08.30 | superlinux | ok ok |
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| 12:09.47 | piasdom | can someone tell me where to get the headers and/or source for emc /w debian etch ? |
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| 12:10.08 | dererk | piasdom, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 12:10.34 | piasdom | thanks dererk |
| 12:11.22 | freelan | hi all! sey me please where irc chanel speak HTML coders |
| 12:11.51 | tralala | linux-headers-2.6-<cputype> |
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| 12:14.39 | JPT | that question was way to easy to ignore.. |
| 12:14.53 | masus | hi all can anyone recommend me an captive portal for debian ? Thanks |
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| 12:18.51 | tralala | masus, what is a captive portal? |
| 12:18.59 | db_d | hi there i was wondering why php5 is packed not in a secure / production setup. |
| 12:19.28 | masus | tralala: its a system for example "airlines + wifi" |
| 12:19.33 | db_d | should i email the maintainer ... or is there a simple reason. |
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| 12:19.45 | greeq | i dont have make. how do i compile now? |
| 12:20.03 | greeq | wols_, |
| 12:20.13 | tralala | masus, ah I see |
| 12:20.16 | themill | db_d: can you explain what you mean |
| 12:20.24 | masus | tralala: you can go the internet if u have an user and pass if not u can by it ... |
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| 12:20.56 | tralala | masus, /msg dpkg search |
| 12:21.37 | masus | tralala: keywords ? |
| 12:21.47 | abrotman | masus: i think radius has a module for that |
| 12:22.39 | db_d | sure thing. http://pastebin.com/de1ba176 |
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| 12:23.56 | themill | db_d: istr that it's not actually the default that php ships with. The settings aren't actually that bad, and if you were deploying on a mass-hosting environment then you'd be making changes to whatever config file you were given anyway. |
| 12:24.10 | tralala | db_d, apparently php production and development environments have conflicting configuration requiremes |
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| 12:24.46 | themill | db_d: suppressing all error messages isn't a great way of helping debug your applications (which is one of the recommended changes) |
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| 12:25.13 | tralala | that's pretty much true for anything btw |
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| 12:25.47 | db_d | sure. ok but if that is not the default then it should be documented that is the case. |
| 12:26.00 | db_d | instead we have a package with as you say wrong documentation. |
| 12:26.15 | abrotman | masus: http://www.keller.com/wifi/CNIT107HW7.html .. i didn't read the whole thing .. but i think it might help you get moving in the right direction |
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| 12:27.07 | themill | db_d: no sorry, it is the same as php.ini-dist. |
| 12:27.12 | dqn | I'd like to write a simple "quiz" game. user would request question trough some client app or telnet, server would print it and then check if what user entered was correct. there would be additional "commands" like "skip question" "show highscores" "help" etc |
| 12:27.18 | dqn | the part I'm trying to figure out now is the _protocol_ or _format_ in which that information should be exchanged. is there any already existing protocol/solution that could do the trick without having to write from scratch? |
| 12:27.31 | db_d | php.ini-dist. being ? |
| 12:27.53 | themill | db_d: /usr/share/doc/php5-common/examples/php.ini-dist |
| 12:28.26 | masus | abrotman: thank u very much |
| 12:28.33 | db_d | so that would be the default that it is shipped with from upstream. ok themill who can one see all cron jobs on a computer ? |
| 12:28.44 | petemc | dqn: there are irc bots that do quizzes |
| 12:29.02 | dqn | petemc: yeah but they only work on irc and you can't telnet to them |
| 12:29.03 | themill | db_d: the other problem is that many/most of the recommendations that the php people have for enhancing php security will break many php libraries/apps too. |
| 12:29.17 | petemc | dqn: no need to point out the obvious |
| 12:29.19 | abrotman | !tell masus about u |
| 12:29.40 | db_d | themill: that is fair enough. perhaps a warning message should be shown then. |
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| 12:29.51 | themill | db_d: for what? |
| 12:30.06 | dqn | petemc: oh ok, well thanks I know about irc bots, but it's not what I'm looking for :) |
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| 12:30.43 | db_d | for which my q re cronjobs ? or the php5.. well if php5 is installing and it is installed in a not for production state should people be warned about that ? |
| 12:30.58 | db_d | (on installation) |
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| 12:31.23 | themill | db_d: they are in /etc/php5/*/php.ini. No-one who puts anything into production should be doing so with the default settings. |
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| 12:32.04 | themill | db_d: and as I said, most of the changes they suggest are either stupid, unhelpful or break stuff. |
| 12:32.05 | db_d | themill: fair enough. so how can one see all cron jobs that are to run tho. |
| 12:32.14 | themill | db_d: don't ask me, ask the channel. |
| 12:32.38 | db_d | did so sorry. |
| 12:32.49 | themill | db_d: (hint man 1 crontab) |
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| 12:35.57 | cmanns | How can I check why x11 forwarding isnt workin? I used to do it on this server with no prob :S. Not sure where to start diagnosing |
| 12:36.01 | stevem | Do you recon it would be really bad if I installed Ubuntu's copy of Firefox 3.0.3 AMD64 on Lenny?! :D |
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| 12:36.20 | themill | stevem: yes. aptitude install iceweasel instead |
| 12:36.31 | stevem | I have that already |
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| 12:36.45 | stevem | themill, why would it be bad? |
| 12:36.46 | themill | so be happy |
| 12:37.09 | cmanns | Whats wrong with iceweasel stevem |
| 12:37.10 | themill | dpkg: tell stevem about bobbitt |
| 12:37.45 | stevem | cmanns, well it's disabled things like auto update |
| 12:37.51 | stevem | because it wants you to use apt-get |
| 12:37.56 | db_d | sorry i wil lask this again more formally to the channel. how can one display all cron jobs that will run on a computer. i have read the man page and cannot see how to do it. |
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| 12:38.20 | themill | stevem: yes... that's a good thing. |
| 12:38.25 | saintiss | hi all |
| 12:38.39 | saintiss | which are the most user friendly instructions to compile my own kernel? (I need 2.6.27) |
| 12:38.40 | themill | stevem: there's no point in having two competing auto update systems fighting it out |
| 12:38.46 | stevem | themill, well some things like Firefox I'd like to have always up to date |
| 12:38.57 | stevem | Netbeans is the same! the repo version has the updater cut out |
| 12:38.57 | tralala | saintiss, /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 12:39.01 | themill | stevem: so update them with apt-get. |
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| 12:39.09 | stevem | themill, thats always out of date |
| 12:39.28 | cmanns | Weird, I got xterm to x11 forward after waiting like 2 mins haha, firefox doesnt seem to go no matter how long i wait |
| 12:39.31 | stevem | and when lenny is released work will divert to squeeze or whatever its called and work on lenny will be even slower |
| 12:39.46 | themill | stevem: of course they have the updater turned off. If they didn't, you'd end up with a very broken installation with files that apt/dpkg thinks it is managing being clobbered by updaters. |
| 12:39.48 | stevem | then we'll have to wait for backports - snoooore |
| 12:39.59 | stevem | so instead just let the app update itself |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | then it's not iceweasel |
| 12:40.14 | masus | abrotman: Thank you very much, and sorry for my poor english ... |
| 12:40.15 | themill | stevem: so don't install it via apt to begin with |
| 12:40.21 | stevem | no its firefox... which I could install into /opt |
| 12:40.26 | saintiss | tralala, thanks... somewhat more verbose version anywhere? :) |
| 12:40.30 | stevem | only theres no amd64 build of firefox - except from ubuntu |
| 12:40.41 | cmanns | nvm guys iceweasel finally opened :D |
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| 12:41.21 | tralala | saintiss, the commands in queston have manuals |
| 12:41.28 | saintiss | right, thx |
| 12:42.16 | cmanns | stevem, if you dont like the default package, compile firefox |
| 12:42.27 | abrotman | stevem: you could always compile it yourself :) |
| 12:42.32 | cmanns | It's not suggested or supported, but if you can handle it nobody is stopping you :D |
| 12:42.36 | stevem | yes but then it couldn't auto update!!!! grrr |
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| 12:42.44 | cmanns | Why wouldn't it? |
| 12:42.55 | stevem | because mozilla don't offer 64bit binaries on the updater |
| 12:43.01 | cmanns | Does it update on ubuntu? |
| 12:43.01 | tralala | stevem, don't compile from debian sources, or don't apply the debian patches |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | pick your poison |
| 12:43.17 | tralala | ah |
| 12:43.17 | abrotman | stevem: if you install the ubuntu package on your debian system, you're on your own |
| 12:43.24 | cmanns | tbh 64bit firefox is pointless |
| 12:43.27 | stevem | my poison is to have firefox... in deb form... amd64... that updates itself regularly via apt-get |
| 12:43.31 | stevem | and the ubuntu repo offers that |
| 12:43.39 | cmanns | stevem, then go for it |
| 12:43.41 | tralala | cmanns, not on a 64bit system |
| 12:43.43 | stevem | will it break?! |
| 12:43.44 | abrotman | get their source package and try to compile that? |
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| 12:44.03 | cmanns | stevem, it may or may not break |
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| 12:44.08 | abrotman | or use iceweasel like a sane person |
| 12:44.12 | themill | stevem: the ubuntu package won't autoupdate either, so why is that a problem? |
| 12:44.23 | sandman | Is there a Visual Studio-like system for *nix? With IntelliSense and all that rubbish |
| 12:44.31 | cmanns | tralala, I've used 64bit since xp x64 came out, I've never bothered with amd64 firefox |
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| 12:44.39 | sandman | There's a Microsoft user I'm trying to convert to the dark side, and he claims he "must have" such a thing. |
| 12:44.50 | themill | sandman: monodevelop, kdevelop |
| 12:44.54 | abrotman | sandman: monodevelop .. among others |
| 12:45.02 | abrotman | sandman: what is he developing ? |
| 12:45.06 | sandman | Does monodevelop to other languages besides c#? |
| 12:45.07 | tralala | cmanns, that's different than not making sense |
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| 12:45.18 | sandman | Because aparently he wants to be able to do a visual-based-type language |
| 12:45.24 | zinx | sandman: eclipse? |
| 12:45.26 | sandman | That's primarily what he uses, but if not that's okay |
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| 12:45.35 | sandman | Thank you, btw |
| 12:45.44 | zinx | sandman: though the version in Debian is way out of date |
| 12:45.45 | abrotman | monodevelop/eclipse/gnome has a few tools/kdevelop |
| 12:45.50 | cmanns | tralala, I've used 64bit firefox on *bsd variants, debian, x64 xp, I never saw any gain unless you hate flash (maybe they got it now dunno) |
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| 12:46.38 | fengor | you can run a current version of eclipse from your home directory without problems in lenny. at least i didnt encounter major problems so far |
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| 12:46.53 | tralala | cmanns, you don't have to bother setting up a 32bit chroot if you don't care about flash |
| 12:47.29 | tralala | that's the gain |
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| 12:47.44 | cmanns | Any tricks to getting x11 forwarding to speed up? |
| 12:47.45 | zinx | tralala: uh, you don't have to bother setting up a 32-bit chroot even if you do care about flash |
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| 12:48.42 | zinx | tralala: flash on 64-bit debian is as easy as "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" (which, incidentally, is exactly how you install it on 32-bit debian as well) |
| 12:48.50 | cmanns | I can download from the server at about 200kByte/sec -> 2mByte/sec, and upload at about 150-200kByte/sec |
| 12:49.23 | cmanns | Yet it took like 2 mins now to load google :/ |
| 12:49.32 | zinx | cmanns: slow DNS? |
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| 12:49.39 | bolt-work | vnc, perhaps? |
| 12:49.47 | cmanns | nah The dns is fine :D |
| 12:50.21 | cmanns | bolt-work, maybe, I don't want to setup anything else |
| 12:50.24 | tralala | zinx, so the gain is even bigger: you don't need to bother with 32bit firefox at all |
| 12:50.56 | cmanns | Got one job to do today, setup a vmware guest thatll run just one, yes one dos based server :( |
| 12:50.58 | bolt-work | cmanns: well, you would need some kind of compression... got compression enabled in ssh? (assuming you use a tunnel) |
| 12:51.06 | zinx | tralala: indeed |
| 12:51.12 | cmanns | hmm thats a good I dea I'll enable compresson |
| 12:51.57 | DGnome | Hi! I'm installing Debian Lenny from the daily build of the minimal installer, /boot on raid1 and the rest on raid5+lvm (linux software raid). Partman tells me my rootfs is in use by the system and fails to install on the LV :/ Any ideas? (i need kernel 2.6.26-1 for my sata controller) |
| 12:53.11 | bolt-work | DGnome: the daily build does not necessarily work... why not use the stable netinstall? |
| 12:53.23 | DGnome | bolt-work: Too old kernel :/ |
| 12:53.34 | bolt-work | DGnome: too old to just install and upgrade? |
| 12:53.51 | abrotman | install and upgrade what? |
| 12:53.55 | bolt-work | DGnome: what about etchnhalf? |
| 12:54.04 | abrotman | he just told you why? and etchnhalf has a .24 |
| 12:54.16 | tralala | DGnome, try a kmuto installer |
| 12:54.56 | bolt-work | abrotman: and that's too old? |
| 12:55.13 | abrotman | he said he needed .26 for his sata .. |
| 12:55.14 | bolt-work | abrotman: oh. nevermind. didn't catch that one |
| 12:55.37 | abrotman | tralala: kmuto only went to .25 IIRC |
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| 12:56.40 | tralala | yeah, no .26 |
| 12:57.36 | cmanns | ah yes bolt compression and changing the encryiption made it much speedier |
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| 12:58.06 | bolt-work | cmanns: good :) |
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| 12:58.40 | bolt-work | cmanns: changing encryption, though? are you sure you need two layers of encryption? |
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| 12:59.28 | cmanns | Not sure what its called apparently I cant have iceweasel and firefox (local) open at the same time, this guy changed it to blowfish or something did make a diff |
| 13:00.04 | cmanns | Like typing in the google search, I could type vmware and wait and itll slowly appear, now I can type and the letters appear after 2sec or so :D |
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| 13:00.55 | cmanns | The vmware guys made it so you have to be logged into their site to download the files :< |
| 13:01.22 | dudeman | so fuck em |
| 13:01.31 | dudeman | use virtualbox it works well enough |
| 13:01.36 | cmanns | doesnt work at all for me |
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| 13:01.40 | dudeman | it may no have all the frills but it works fine |
| 13:01.54 | dudeman | I do web dev and I have it setup so i can test in IE |
| 13:02.05 | dudeman | cmanns, doesn't work ? |
| 13:02.07 | dudeman | ... |
| 13:02.09 | DGnome | thanks bolt-work & abrotman ! Just have to find another sata-controller or wait for debian to age a bit :) |
| 13:02.19 | dudeman | cmanns, errors? |
| 13:02.26 | cmanns | Don't need any thrilles just need a basic windows vm virturalbox according to someone in #virturalbox told me "your install is fucked" basically |
| 13:02.30 | cmanns | no errors |
| 13:02.35 | cmanns | Every log file ends different places |
| 13:02.40 | abrotman | DGnome: it sounds like an installer problem .. not a controller problem |
| 13:03.32 | cmanns | I get a box says starting, then after 5 mins it flashes and says aborted or whatever, I'm thinking its because im doing it over x11 forwarding? Anyways with vmware I can use vmware workstation or whatever its called on this system instead of using x11 forwarding for virturalbox |
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| 13:04.43 | cmanns | Also my aunts the stock administrator for vmware, so if it ends up being any good I might as well have her snag me some of their top of the line stuff to toy with. |
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| 13:05.07 | raz0 | Is there any way to make isc dhcpd NOT allocate new IPs from the high end of a defined range? e.g. if I define a range 10.0.0.2-10.0.0.254 it will start allocating addresses 10.0.0.254, 10.0.0.253... |
| 13:05.10 | DGnome | abrotman: It's an installer problem, yes, before partman does anything, lvyounameit can do everything, afterwards, lvyounameit tells me the LV is active and refuses to remove for example.. |
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| 13:06.06 | abrotman | DGnome: you could maybe ask #debian-boot on oftc |
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| 13:06.32 | tralala | DGnome, perhaps you can deactivate it from the console |
| 13:06.40 | tuxcrafter | hello, somebody here with an working bluez and bluetooth Sony Computer Entertainment Inc BD Remote Control |
| 13:06.50 | snitko | hello. what could be the most common reason that cron doesn't do cronjobs for the user (besides wrong user rights)? |
| 13:06.55 | tuxcrafter | i have been trying very very hard to get it working but without luck |
| 13:07.15 | tuxcrafter | build custom deb packages form the current bluez git repo but its not working... |
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| 13:07.53 | DGnome | tralala: nothing works after partman sneaks it's rubberglove inside LVM =P |
| 13:07.57 | tralala | snitko, wrong cron entries. How did you add the entries? |
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| 13:08.21 | Shane|zh_CN | has anyone built openvrml in debian? the source package is broken... or is there any substitude? |
| 13:08.23 | snitko | tralala: sudo crontab -e -u snitko |
| 13:08.53 | jenesis | how do i find out what video card i have? |
| 13:08.59 | tralala | snitko, erm... I don't think you need sudo |
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| 13:09.11 | tralala | jenesis, lspci |
| 13:09.36 | snitko | tralala: I do need it, cos it's an example. I set cronjob for a different user |
| 13:10.26 | snitko | tralala: anyway, here it is "*/1 * * * * /var/www/project/release/script/subscription_mailer" |
| 13:10.49 | snitko | tralala: the script itself runs perfect from cmd |
| 13:11.09 | tralala | snitko, do you have /etc/cron.allow? |
| 13:11.29 | snitko | tralala: no, I don't |
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| 13:12.34 | tralala | snitko, does it run when executed by the user in question? |
| 13:12.59 | jelly | */1 ? :-) |
| 13:13.00 | snitko | tralala: yes it does, I check it under the user |
| 13:13.02 | tralala | does it run as a cron task for other users? |
| 13:13.18 | snitko | tralala: no, not even for root |
| 13:13.50 | jelly | snitko: is crond running at all? |
| 13:14.21 | jelly | make that "cron" |
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| 13:14.38 | snitko | jelly: yes it is running ) |
| 13:14.43 | jenesis | i can't find nvidia-kernel-common when installing drivers for video card. |
| 13:14.48 | sandman | Looking for a fair web development IDE for myself this time, perhaps similar to Dreamweaver. Except free software, of course. Anyone want to volunteer a suggestion for this, please? =) |
| 13:15.30 | tralala | snitko, make a simple script (say touch ~/i_have_run) and try to add it to crontab the same way. Does it run? |
| 13:15.45 | cmanns | lol dreamweaver |
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| 13:16.13 | tralala | sandman, vim |
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| 13:16.51 | tralala | it's not exactly similar to dreamweaver though (I know that even though I've never seen dreamweaver) |
| 13:16.54 | eps | how do I use the debian alternatives system to set gcc 3.3 as my default compiler over 4.3? |
| 13:17.04 | tralala | eps, you don't |
| 13:17.08 | tralala | instead you export CC |
| 13:17.09 | cmanns | isnt vim a simple text editor? |
| 13:17.15 | snitko | tralala: no, it doesn't run. nothing runs |
| 13:17.21 | simonrvn | it isn't handled by alternatives |
| 13:17.32 | jenesis | what happened to the nvidia-oneliner? |
| 13:17.34 | tralala | cmanns, it's anything but simple |
| 13:17.37 | simonrvn | and shouldn't be |
| 13:17.45 | eps | tralala, ah okay, would that just look like CC=GCC3.3 ? |
| 13:17.54 | tralala | no |
| 13:18.05 | tralala | export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 13:18.11 | eps | thank you |
| 13:18.13 | cmanns | sandman, try out Eclipse |
| 13:18.25 | cmanns | Once you get used to it, it's a pretty bitch`n ide :) |
| 13:18.48 | eps | cmanns, worked perfectly, thanks for the help |
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| 13:19.09 | tralala | be sure you've got multi-core system with 2Gigs of ram |
| 13:19.36 | cmanns | What did I do :S |
| 13:19.44 | tralala | eclipse will be taking half of the resources and you can enjoy the other half |
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| 13:19.59 | jenesis | does anyone know if the nvidia-oneliner still works with r4a? |
| 13:20.28 | cmanns | When I used eclipse I was on a pretty slow computer and the person that suggested it to me was on a p4, I never had performance issues. Then again I use windows or bsd for desktop use, linux may be another world with eclipse :) |
| 13:20.52 | bullgard4 | Is a storage consumption of 2,3 MB/min normal with a 320x240 pixel video and 25 Fps? (Sorenson Video Codec) |
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| 13:23.39 | jelly | bullgard4: which package in debian outputs using this codec? |
| 13:23.56 | _coredump_ | bullgard4, sounds okay, cant unserstand why using this shitty codec but you will know better. |
| 13:25.58 | Hiall | Anyone know why when using adduser in a new debian box.. no home directory is made? |
| 13:26.10 | bullgard4 | _coredump_: It may be shitty. But the codec which VLC is using for playing .flv files is worse. |
| 13:26.19 | saintiss | Hiall, adduser -m |
| 13:26.30 | Hiall | saintiss, thanks |
| 13:26.53 | saintiss | Hiall, actually useradd -m |
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| 13:31.59 | joltcan | Hiall: Or use adduser foo, it does it by default |
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| 13:32.50 | simonrvn | !adduser |
| 13:32.50 | dpkg | i heard adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 13:32.55 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 13:33.04 | simonrvn | where's the nice factoid? |
| 13:33.10 | simonrvn | &adduser |
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| 13:33.12 | ravenbird | i heard adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 13:33.24 | simonrvn | i guess there wasn't any |
| 13:34.18 | themill | !superadduser |
| 13:34.18 | dpkg | hmm... superadduser is n=2000; cat list| while read dood hobby; do echo ${dood}:x:${n}:${n}::/home/${dood}:/bin/bash; echo ${dood}:`mkpasswd --hash=mdr ${hobby}`:0:12345:0:99999:7:::; n=$[n+1]; done |
| 13:34.18 | themill | (wtf?!) |
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| 13:35.05 | jelly | !factinfo superadduser |
| 13:35.05 | dpkg | superadduser -- created by tarzeau <~tarzeau@dclient217-162-4-93.hispeed.ch> at Mon Apr 7 19:10:10 2003 (2017 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by themill, 1m 4s ago. |
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| 13:36.09 | idimmu | takes a list of user/path and creates users for em |
| 13:36.19 | idimmu | i guess? |
| 13:36.39 | magyar_ | hi, I am using ivman for managing ubs drives. The issue that I am having is when I eject the USB harddrive from the cradle the mount point still remains on the fs. |
| 13:36.40 | jelly | nope, it just echoes the lines for passwd and shadow, intermixed |
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| 13:37.19 | idimmu | well yeah you could >> that to passwd/shadow |
| 13:37.29 | themill | which isn't terribly useful.. given that they are interleaved |
| 13:37.35 | jelly | some judicious usage of >> to a temp file first would be helpful |
| 13:37.43 | idimmu | yup |
| 13:37.49 | jelly | to a pair of temp files* |
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| 13:38.02 | tralala | just 2> the one and use >> and 2>> on the whole thing |
| 13:38.13 | jelly | ew |
| 13:38.16 | themill | waddyamean? you don't just randomly clobber your shadow and passwd files with dodgy scripts from irc? |
| 13:38.18 | jelly | 3 ! |
| 13:38.25 | tarzeau | haha |
| 13:38.30 | jelly | what if echo fails! |
| 13:38.43 | tarzeau | your problem :) |
| 13:38.50 | simonrvn | sketchy |
| 13:38.52 | jelly | dpkg, forget superadduser |
| 13:38.52 | dpkg | jelly: i forgot superadduser |
| 13:38.57 | jelly | tarzeau: :-P |
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| 13:39.09 | jelly | nyeh-nyeh |
| 13:39.16 | tarzeau | i've never seen echo fail, but oh well |
| 13:39.35 | tarzeau | out of diskspace, nobody ever checks for that case. funny things happen if you run into it (also w/ quota) |
| 13:39.41 | tralala | what if echo causes a kernel oops |
| 13:39.43 | jelly | me neither, but that factoid was only good as a convo starter |
| 13:40.11 | simonrvn | &factinfo superadduser |
| 13:40.11 | ravenbird | superadduser -- created by tarzeau <~tarzeau@dclient217-162-4-93.hispeed.ch> at Mon Apr 7 19:10:10 2003 (2017 days). |
| 13:40.19 | simonrvn | &forget superadduser |
| 13:40.20 | ravenbird | i forgot superadduser, simonrvn |
| 13:40.31 | jelly | apt: factinfo superadduser |
| 13:40.31 | apt | superadduser -- created by tarzeau <~tarzeau@dclient217-162-4-93.hispeed.ch> at Mon Apr 7 19:10:10 2003 (2017 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by moyix at Wed Oct 8 22:49:29 2003. |
| 13:40.47 | simonrvn | ~forget superadduser |
| 13:40.48 | apt | simonrvn: i forgot superadduser |
| 13:41.01 | tralala | tarzeau, they are ereasing you! |
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| 13:41.11 | themill | mumbles something about needing a botsync script |
| 13:41.14 | jelly | !tarzeau |
| 13:41.14 | dpkg | methinks tarzeau is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 13:41.27 | simonrvn | hardly ;) |
| 13:41.33 | jelly | tralala: I have half a mind to, now |
| 13:41.40 | tarzeau | tralala: i don't care |
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| 13:43.16 | simonrvn | i also think that factoids that can be arch dep should be set up as such, otherwise you get conflicts |
| 13:43.42 | simonrvn | e.g. in the other #d several minutes ago |
| 13:44.18 | jelly | there is no other #d |
| 13:44.40 | JPT | hi all, i've got a problem with installing a compiled kernel image.. dpkg tells me that it wants to overwrite the already existing /lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw ... i know it's existing, because i've already a different kernel image (same version, different config) installed. Is there a workaround for that ? The *.fw file is built, even if i disable the option for it. (tried almost everything) |
| 13:44.59 | themill | !divert |
| 13:44.59 | dpkg | Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html. Working with the package management system is much easier than trying to work against it. |
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| 13:45.35 | jelly | why would a kernel image want to write to /lib/firmware? |
| 13:46.08 | JPT | because there is this "magic" .fw-file included in the package... |
| 13:46.12 | themill | Is this the new "separable" firmware stuff that David Woodhouse has been working on? |
| 13:46.18 | JPT | maybe.. |
| 13:46.30 | jelly | JPT: is it different from the existing one? |
| 13:46.37 | JPT | hmm.. i'll check that.. |
| 13:46.41 | JPT | md5sum is right ? |
| 13:46.42 | themill | http://lwn.net/Articles/284932/ |
| 13:46.46 | jelly | JPT: if not, you can just --force-overwrite |
| 13:47.06 | jpinx | just got an ASUS micro laptop with linux litre on it - based on Debian - anyone know anything about it? |
| 13:47.17 | jelly | JPT: but then if you remove the new image, the old one will be left firmwareless |
| 13:47.40 | themill | (divert ftw) |
| 13:47.49 | JPT | that's right.. |
| 13:47.53 | jelly | jpinx: I wonder if they call it linux quart in US of A |
| 13:48.17 | themill | jelly: probably don't touch it if the cheese eating surrender monkeys have been anywhere near it! |
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| 13:48.25 | JPT | as far as my research was going... the fw file is completly unimportant to me.. it's belonging to a usb serial converter thingy... so that won't matter |
| 13:48.33 | jpinx | jelly: dunno - I switched it on ten minutes ago and it "just works" (tm) |
| 13:48.54 | jelly | !litre |
| 13:49.21 | themill | [14:49] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'litre' by key returned no results. |
| 13:49.44 | jpinx | but I'd like to get the stuff in English |
| 13:49.49 | jpinx | it's all spanish at the moment |
| 13:50.01 | jelly | ¿que? |
| 13:50.43 | jelly | jpinx: well, you can try setting the deafult locale back to C (POSIX) or en_US.UTF-8 if you're an UTF-8 fan |
| 13:50.51 | jelly | !locales |
| 13:50.51 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 13:51.50 | jpinx | jelly: I'm shit scared of breaking it 'cos the shop I got it in has zero technical abilities...:( |
| 13:52.00 | jelly | dpkg: locales =~ s#/etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale in etch or newer# |
| 13:52.00 | dpkg | You are moron #30, jelly |
| 13:52.24 | JPT | they are exactly the same.. |
| 13:52.56 | JPT | i just found out, that ti_3410.fw is only one of about 12 files that would be replaced.. |
| 13:53.26 | jelly | JPT: save the current state of /lib/firmware, and use the force |
| 13:53.44 | JPT | okay... that would be the easy solution.. |
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| 13:53.56 | themill | 30 morons in a day from dpkg. That's above average. |
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| 13:54.18 | E-bola | Hello |
| 13:54.23 | jelly | themill: I don't even get the failure in that syntax |
| 13:54.26 | JPT | i'll ask in ##kernel if there's a way to disable this......... erm......... very cool feature that's so amazing i cannot describe |
| 13:54.36 | E-bola | do anybody know if there are any motherboards that has onboard raid which works well with linux (i dont want to run software raid) |
| 13:54.42 | themill | jelly: there was only two # in your replacement |
| 13:55.05 | jelly | E-bola: software raid is usually better than onboard one |
| 13:55.35 | jelly | dpkg: locales =~ s#/etc/environment (in Sarge)#/etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer)# |
| 13:55.36 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 13:55.43 | E-bola | jelly: thats my experience as well, but i was just wondering if anybody knew a board that actualy had a good raid controller onboard |
| 13:55.43 | themill | !win jelly |
| 13:55.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:55.46 | jelly | themill: I'm a moron |
| 13:56.10 | et | one of 30! |
| 13:56.18 | jelly | one in a million! |
| 13:56.51 | themill | jelly: don't worry, abrotman and I were trying to fix a factoid for about 30 min the other day and we were both screwing up brilliantly. (forgetting the =~, the s, having issues with non-ascii chars). In my defence, it was 1am. I'm not sure what abrotman's excuse was though! |
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| 13:57.10 | sandman | Whoever thought of popularity-contest had a fine idea. |
| 13:57.21 | sandman | I'd like to say. Gives a very useful perspective on the state of things. Thought I'd add that. |
| 13:57.52 | jelly | where is tarzeau to do a !popcon |
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| 13:58.37 | jelly | sandman: oh, are you implying anything or just making an innocent observation? :-) |
| 13:58.55 | sandman | Innocent observation. |
| 13:59.00 | jelly | Right. |
| 13:59.09 | sandman | What? Seriously, I think it is very useful. |
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| 13:59.32 | themill | (there is one installation of the package frobinator)... |
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| 14:00.04 | themill | There's not really enough data though. Not enough people are submitting their stats. I'm sure there are more than 12 people running amd64 in the world. |
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| 14:00.46 | jelly | sandman: sorry, I just couldn't help myself |
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| 14:01.13 | jelly | themill: make the base-system autoinstall it and call back home! |
| 14:01.16 | themill | stew: are you going to build popcon data into judd too? |
| 14:01.19 | themill | hides |
| 14:01.27 | sandman | themill: Well, I am one of those 12 people on the AMD64 arch. |
| 14:01.36 | sandman | Who participates in the stats. |
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| 14:02.16 | jelly | judd: info frobinator |
| 14:02.22 | jelly | !info frobinator |
| 14:02.32 | n0mad | corect me (thanks!!!) to get (if parition gets full) xmesage (call from xrontab every30m): 30 ** * *anuUSED=`df -h | grep /dev/sda6 | awk '{print $4}'`; if [ $USED -gt 95]; the xmessage -center -buttons OK:1,Another:0 -default OK -file - ; do :; done' |
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| 14:02.54 | jelly | n0mad: tried #bash ? |
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| 14:03.24 | n0mad | channel ? |
| 14:03.26 | jelly | and a pastebin with nicely formatted code? |
| 14:03.28 | jelly | yes. |
| 14:03.34 | n0mad | aww srry ok |
| 14:03.57 | magyar_ | hi, looking for a solution that can automount a usb disk and unmount it when inserted in the system. I do not use any X nor Desktop manager software |
| 14:04.28 | themill | jelly: no such package, it's the foo of much packaging documentation though |
| 14:04.36 | jelly | n0mad: if I ignore the typos, cron still doesn't set DISPLAY, thus running X apps will fail. You at least need to call "DISPLAY=:0 xmessage ...' |
| 14:04.59 | jelly | themill: probably because hello exists |
| 14:05.04 | jelly | !info hello |
| 14:05.06 | themill | jelly: :) |
| 14:05.07 | dpkg | hello: (The classic greeting, and a good example), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
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| 14:19.11 | pothibo_ | what apps you need to use to edit partition on debian ? |
| 14:19.41 | sandman | Can anyone suggest a fair backup solution for Debian? |
| 14:19.50 | sandman | Just tar? |
| 14:20.00 | stew | judd: popcon libc6 |
| 14:20.01 | judd | stew: Popcon data for libc6: inst: 77005, vote: 68477, old: 827, recent: 7699, nofiles: 2 |
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| 14:20.13 | stew | themill: how else do you want the popcon data? |
| 14:21.23 | dqn | when I telnet to my server on *nix it displays text fine, when I telnet to it on windows the text is all scrambled. can this be made "platform independent" somehow so it displays properly on windows too? |
| 14:22.40 | cmanns | Hmm |
| 14:22.47 | cmanns | So if I have two nics, can I bind them to act as one? |
| 14:23.30 | stew | cmanns: yes, read Documentation/Bonding.txt in the kernel source and/or the documentation on the ifenslave pacakge in /usr/share/doc/ifenslave |
| 14:23.48 | cmanns | thanks man |
| 14:23.52 | stew | err Documentation/network/bonding.txt |
| 14:23.59 | cmanns | Will it cause perf loss by any chance? |
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| 14:24.33 | stew | it exists to cause perf gain |
| 14:25.22 | cmanns | yeah I was meaning cause the nics are different brands n such |
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| 14:25.57 | jelly | cmanns: also read the docs for your other endpoint (a switch or whatnot) |
| 14:25.58 | stew | doesn't matter |
| 14:26.06 | cmanns | This looks very interesting, if it works out I should do it on our production server :) the 100mbit nic gets maxed kinda hard to load the other one |
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| 14:26.37 | jelly | stew: don't all cards have to support bonding? |
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| 14:28.00 | stew | jelly: i didn't think the cards mattered. i doubt i've even tried it with anything but an intel card however |
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| 14:28.53 | jelly | when I ordered cards for HP, they said only other broadcomms could bond with the onboard broadcomms (not their cheaper intels) |
| 14:29.08 | stew | hmm |
| 14:29.22 | stew | hopefully Documentation/network/bonding.txt covers this |
| 14:29.22 | jelly | so 4*tg3 worked, but 2*tg3 + 2*e1000 didn't |
| 14:29.49 | cmanns | I didn't see anything like that |
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| 14:30.06 | jelly | I didn't _try_ the latter at all, so who knows |
| 14:30.42 | stew | i don't think i still have accounts on the recent machines i set it up on to check |
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| 14:31.16 | ingw3 | Hello, I have debian lenny and i want to install vmware server 2 on it but for that i need linux-headers. this is what i get then i try to install them using sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`:E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 14:32.02 | cmanns | I think lennys at .26 now |
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| 14:32.09 | simonrvn | update your kernel |
| 14:32.11 | stew | ingw3: yes, 2.6.24 was removed from lenny when newer kernels were made availalbe, 2.6.26-1 is the current kernel in lenny |
| 14:32.19 | cmanns | ingw3, theres apt-cache search btw |
| 14:32.20 | smacnay | Hi, what do I need to install in testing if I need the Boost 1.34.1 header files? |
| 14:32.47 | ingw3 | thanks guys |
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| 14:32.51 | stew | smacnay: apt-cache search boost header files |
| 14:34.28 | dqn | is there any package/trick/environment designed for creating custom shells? |
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| 14:35.09 | tarzeau | dqn: custom shells? |
| 14:35.17 | tarzeau | dqn: a menu shell or what? |
| 14:35.19 | dqn | tarzeau: yeah let's say for some public terminal |
| 14:35.21 | tarzeau | dqn: there's PS1? |
| 14:35.28 | tarzeau | dqn: yeah i use iselect, like this: |
| 14:35.30 | stew | smacnay: oh, i didn't know there was boost and boost1.35, it looks liek the "boost" source package is 1.34, so "apt-cache showsrc boost" lists libboost-dev |
| 14:36.19 | tarzeau | dqn: www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/menushell/ i've got a better version on my laptop at home... |
| 14:36.25 | tarzeau | dqn: you'll need to apt-get install iselect |
| 14:36.41 | dqn | tarzeau: that sounds very interesting |
| 14:36.42 | dqn | checks |
| 14:36.46 | smacnay | stew: hmm, lots of libboost*-dev files. I sure don't need them all, do I? |
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| 14:37.17 | tarzeau | dqn: it's very very basic, but i just want a computer to do things as fast as possible |
| 14:37.34 | smacnay | stew: wow - 169 Meg of dev files |
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| 14:38.07 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 14:38.38 | gypsymauro | how can I connect automatically to a ppp connection? I run by hand pon connection.. |
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| 14:40.22 | dqn | tarzeau: I guess that would work trough telnet, wouldn't it? |
| 14:40.23 | jelly | gypsymauro: you could put something like auto ppp0 \n inet ppp0 inet manual \n \t pon blah \n in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:40.44 | tarzeau | dqn: yes it will |
| 14:40.49 | jelly | "iface ppp0 inet manual" for the second line |
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| 14:41.28 | jelly | and "up pon blah" third line correction |
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| 14:42.04 | dqn | tarzeau: that actually looks pretty useful and going to try it now, but I was really looking for something a bit more powerful, maybe with support for piping data, command line arguments etc :S |
| 14:42.22 | tarzeau | dqn: i see |
| 14:42.31 | tarzeau | dqn: you can always spawn a zsh :) |
| 14:43.06 | jelly | gypsymauro: http://rafb.net/p/U7oW1w12.html |
| 14:43.09 | dqn | tarzeau: hmmmmmmm can I "limit" it in a way that there's no way one could do anything nasty with it? |
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| 14:43.55 | stew | smacnay: i don't know what you need |
| 14:44.28 | smacnay | stew: neither do I - but all those dev files to compile panomatic is too much. |
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| 14:45.35 | ma3x | why ping -T google.com tsonly doesn't show the timestamp? |
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| 14:46.35 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 14:46.38 | dqn | tarzeau: without making it so "limited" that it's practically useless, just so people don't use it for hosting portscans and keyloggers |
| 14:46.48 | simonrvn | man ping; -T timestamp option Set special IP timestamp options. timestamp option may be either tsonly (only timestamps), tsandaddr (timestamps and addresses) or tsprespec host1 [host2 [host3 [host4]]] (timestamp prespecified hops). |
| 14:46.54 | simonrvn | rtfm |
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| 14:47.22 | tarzeau | dqn: just say that in the motd and issue files |
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| 14:47.44 | tarzeau | dqn: and remove access for people who don't adhere to the rules |
| 14:48.17 | dqn | tarzeau: yeah and pray to god and hope for the best? :) I'd prefer preventing things than letting them occur first |
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| 14:48.33 | tarzeau | dqn: it works great here |
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| 14:48.40 | dqn | tarzeau: but obviously your point is valid |
| 14:48.41 | tarzeau | dqn: there's rules, and people follow them |
| 14:49.46 | nvz | wow the image of someone doing something nasty with my ports is stuck in my head now.. |
| 14:50.10 | tarzeau | nvz: how many ports do you have? |
| 14:50.34 | nvz | :-O |
| 14:50.56 | nvz | 65535, duh. |
| 14:51.11 | tarzeau | nvz: i was expecting 2 or 3 |
| 14:51.17 | n0mad | jelly tried #bash till now no answer, wish you help me alitle :S ? http://pastebin.com/d18fa38f8 |
| 14:51.22 | nvz | hah |
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| 14:52.06 | simonrvn | gives nvz some port cleaner |
| 14:52.08 | nvz | you're talking about the sex protocol.. which is TCP for some people and UDP for others |
| 14:52.40 | nvz | meaning that some people acknowledge their partner and some dont |
| 14:52.55 | simonrvn | it has tiny little bits to scrub down the surfaces |
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| 14:53.17 | n0mad | wish someone help me alitle ? http://pastebin.com/d44a68efc |
| 14:53.38 | smacnay | how do I make a .deb out of a compile from source... I want to make a deb out of an app I am compiling. |
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| 15:01.39 | myeggo | hi |
| 15:02.21 | myeggo | i created some files in my home with my current charset iso8859-15, they are fine and i can see them as well, but when i copy them to another dir |
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| 15:02.26 | myeggo | they changing to utf8 |
| 15:02.37 | myeggo | how come? my console charset is same as X |
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| 15:04.28 | stew | myeggo: how are you copying them? |
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| 15:05.00 | myeggo | from X windows using right click copy |
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| 15:05.07 | myeggo | i have tried via console too |
| 15:05.33 | stew | myeggo: what command did you try via console? |
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| 15:05.45 | myeggo | cp |
| 15:06.00 | smacnay | hmm, no libxmi in Debian |
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| 15:06.07 | stew | myeggo: cp wouldn't translate characters from one charset to another. no way |
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| 15:07.11 | zinx | stew: cp may change the character set of the filename if the filesystems differ |
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| 15:07.39 | stew | myeggo: are you talking about the filename or the contents of the file? |
| 15:07.50 | myeggo | the context |
| 15:08.03 | stew | contents? |
| 15:08.21 | Novell | hi, I'm trying to install Lenny on amd64 by PXE-booting the install, but I'm getting: "No kernel modules were found" after selecting the mirror and its trying to download installer components.. |
| 15:08.29 | Novell | tried to ignore it but it didn't find any disks |
| 15:09.35 | myeggo | contents, yes, sorry |
| 15:09.50 | stew | myeggo: i don't think this is possible. are you able to repeat this? |
| 15:10.11 | stew | myeggo: can you run "md5sump sourcefile targetfile"? |
| 15:10.22 | stew | myeggo: err "md5sum" not "md5sump" |
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| 15:10.49 | myeggo | is there a med5sum for windows? |
| 15:10.56 | myeggo | i get the problem downloading it to windows also |
| 15:11.00 | myeggo | with the same charset |
| 15:11.02 | themill | stew: didn't know that judd had a popcon command :) |
| 15:11.34 | myeggo | in my computer they are the same |
| 15:11.36 | myeggo | hm |
| 15:11.49 | stew | themill: it didn't until you asked |
| 15:11.57 | themill | stew: heh |
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| 15:12.10 | nvz | myeggo: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pc-tools.net%2Fwin32%2Ffreeware%2Fconsole%2F&ei=Ogj2SPr9I4masQOGou2aDA&usg=AFQjCNEQ-yVvDFMD9NCpdLg0y_w8cTKOyA&sig2=EEREmb2fKe06UgqaSRSqog |
| 15:12.18 | myeggo | thx |
| 15:12.20 | jelly | myeggo: google md5sum.exe |
| 15:12.52 | mhymn | tinyurl! |
| 15:12.53 | nvz | myeggo: http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/ |
| 15:12.54 | jelly | judd: popcon amarok amd64 |
| 15:12.54 | judd | jelly: (popcon ) -- Return the popcon data of the given package. Usage: "popcon packagename" |
| 15:13.05 | jelly | judd: popcon top10 amd64 |
| 15:13.05 | judd | jelly: (popcon ) -- Return the popcon data of the given package. Usage: "popcon packagename" |
| 15:13.13 | nvz | I wasn't aware of the fact google started doing that stupid redirection |
| 15:13.14 | stew | the popcondata i have is not arch specific |
| 15:13.21 | jelly | judd: popcon top10 |
| 15:13.21 | judd | jelly: Popcon data for top10: inst: 1, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 1, nofiles: 0 |
| 15:13.28 | nvz | I thought the links pointed directly to where they said they did |
| 15:13.28 | jelly | huh. |
| 15:13.42 | jelly | judd: popcon amavisd-cn |
| 15:13.42 | judd | jelly: Popcon data for amavisd-cn: inst: 3, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 3 |
| 15:13.57 | nvz | but it appears they now use a redirection cgi with keysignatures |
| 15:14.18 | jelly | nvz: they do that only sometimes, it seems |
| 15:14.28 | nvz | shrugs |
| 15:14.32 | nvz | I'm going to lunch.. |
| 15:14.41 | smacnay | Trying to compile enfuse/enblend from source but it cannot find libxmi. No such package in Deb testing but I see that there are libs installed (using "locate libxmi"). |
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| 15:14.56 | nvz | leaving the laptop here to crunch data while I'm gone.. heh |
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| 15:20.13 | myeggo | same md5sum :/ |
| 15:20.28 | myeggo | it is a file tcl created with komodo ide in iso 8859 15 |
| 15:20.37 | myeggo | for some reason else platforms can detect his code |
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| 15:28.02 | stew | myeggo: if the md5sum isnt' changing then the file isnt' changing, so if you are seeing things in a different character set, it is becuase of whatever is display the file |
| 15:28.07 | saintiss | if I can scan AP's on my wireless (iwlist wlan0 scan), and there are definitely some which support dhcp, what can be the reason that ifup wlan0 gets no dhcpoffer? |
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| 15:28.41 | saintiss | could the signal be too weak? but then why does it scan? |
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| 15:29.24 | myeggo | this is a freak mistery :( |
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| 15:30.05 | adnc | is it possible to have on particular crontab entry not to mail the output of the executed command? |
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| 15:30.56 | koollman | adnc: you could just redirect it to /dev/null |
| 15:31.12 | adnc | koollman: how you mean? |
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| 15:31.25 | adnc | koollman: like 2> /dev/null |
| 15:31.30 | koollman | yes |
| 15:31.39 | adnc | koollman: ok, thank you |
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| 15:32.37 | Hcik | how do I transfer a directory and exclude a sub-directory from it via rsync |
| 15:33.10 | stew | Hcik: with --exclude |
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| 15:33.30 | astra-xwork | has SELinux become a mainstream thing to have on your webserver? |
| 15:33.48 | stew | astra-xwork: not yet |
| 15:33.48 | adnc | koollman: was it right with redirecting stdout to null with 2>/dev/null since my tries still produces the output |
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| 15:34.23 | dustybin | where abouts can i put a executable script so i can activate it anywhere on my system? |
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| 15:34.31 | koollman | adnc: that redirects stderr. stdout would be >/dev/null |
| 15:34.35 | koollman | (you can have both) |
| 15:34.45 | adnc | koollman: having both, how? |
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| 15:35.02 | astra-xwork | stew, so with a good firewall you think it is too much? |
| 15:35.37 | Hcik | stevem_, how do I exclude the subdirectory. give me such an example please. |
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| 15:35.54 | stevem_ | stevem_, think you've got the wrong person |
| 15:36.02 | stevem_ | Hcik, think you've got the wrong person |
| 15:36.07 | stevem_ | as did I just then :S |
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| 15:36.28 | adnc | is it possible to give the sender address of the send mails which cron sends out? |
| 15:36.32 | stew | Hcik: --exclude=some/sub/directory |
| 15:36.35 | stew | astra-xwork: no? |
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| 15:37.14 | mythomaniac_ | how does one learn about the the changes done to the packages in lenny, via a website? |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | you look at the changelog on the packages page |
| 15:37.34 | abrotman | package's |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | or you mean since etch? |
| 15:38.02 | ma3x | how can i modify iceweasel keyboard shotcuts? i want to set 'backspace' to go back to the previous page. |
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| 15:38.30 | mythomaniac_ | no, just the changes done to each package in lenny - you know like the changes to the kernel in last 2 days? |
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| 15:39.04 | stew | ma3x: search for backspace in about:config |
| 15:39.24 | stew | mythomaniac_: changes done since when? |
| 15:39.29 | Hcik | stew, thanks it works |
| 15:39.36 | stew | mythomaniac_: do you mean "which new packages were added to lenny" ? |
| 15:39.55 | mythomaniac_ | stew: no changes done to packages since the freeze |
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| 15:40.41 | ma3x | stew i see browser.backspace_action;2 what should i specify/change? |
| 15:41.14 | stew | ma3x: the 2 |
| 15:41.21 | ma3x | to what? |
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| 15:41.28 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 15:41.41 | ma3x | hm, i'll try #firefox |
| 15:41.54 | deathstr0ke | change the integer value to ZERO @ ma3x |
| 15:42.06 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 15:42.09 | stew | mythomaniac_: you'd have to look at all the changelogs to all of the packages which have changed since lenny. you can see the changelog for a pacakge by going to http://changelogs.debian.net/packagename |
| 15:42.44 | Hydroxide | stew: regarding that, at least some changelogs aren't displaying for me right now. (cf. postgresql-8.3) |
| 15:42.49 | Hydroxide | stew: but, usually, yes) |
| 15:42.51 | Hydroxide | s/)// |
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| 15:44.04 | stew | hmm |
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| 15:44.42 | mythomaniac_ | stew: thank you |
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| 15:47.09 | stew | Hydroxide: i guess djpig is the man to talk to? |
| 15:47.16 | Laeborg|Lap | http://pastebin.com/d71896409 |
| 15:47.28 | phanter | is there a gnome "panel item" to indicate num/caps lock ? |
| 15:47.35 | phanter | and how do I install it if it exists? |
| 15:47.40 | phanter | (could not find it via google) |
| 15:48.29 | stew | mythomaniac_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/ is where you'd see which packages have changed |
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| 15:50.58 | mythomaniac_ | stew: wow this is even better, thank you! |
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| 15:51.20 | euzao | someone here is using Etchnhalf and Nvidia drivers? |
| 15:51.49 | euzao | there ain't no NVIDIA driver for 2.6.24 linux kernel |
| 15:54.19 | dustybin | i have an idea, how about live scripts what are only executed from the internet |
| 15:54.22 | dustybin | the cloud |
| 15:54.53 | dustybin | ./script <---- this actually looks at the internet from the main script and executes it |
| 15:54.57 | dustybin | *for |
| 15:55.16 | mythomaniac_ | is there anyway someone here can help me troubleshoot why i need to hit the power button on my laptop, hp pavilion dv6810us Turion 64 x2 3gig ram, while booting into the kernel? |
| 15:56.42 | mythomaniac_ | err is there anyway someone here can help me troubleshoot why i need to hit the power button on my laptop, hp pavilion dv6810us Turion 64 x2 3gig ram, while booting into the kernel - just in order too boot into the kernel? |
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| 15:58.45 | wols_ | euzao: there is kernel sorce for nvidia drivers tho |
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| 15:59.37 | wols_ | !tell euzao about nvidia |
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| 16:02.31 | tahorg | hi, I've installed postgres yesterday (postgresql-8.1_8.1.11-0etch1_i386.deb) and today the server way compromised |
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| 16:02.50 | tahorg | the bad things in the logs start here |
| 16:02.55 | tahorg | Oct 15 03:15:17 ns39492 sshd[3467]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for postgres from 79.126.166.3 port 1619 ssh2 |
| 16:02.58 | tahorg | Oct 15 03:15:17 ns39492 sshd[3473]: (pam_unix) session opened for user postgres by (uid=0) |
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| 16:03.50 | CVirus | How can I make the /etc/bash_completion script start on boot ? |
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| 16:04.02 | tahorg | how is it possible ? postgres with an account to log |
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| 16:05.37 | tahorg | is there an advisory on this package/version ? |
| 16:05.43 | tahorg | I can't find one |
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| 16:08.09 | Laeborg|Lap | i need something called 'xterm' |
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| 16:08.49 | stew | tahorg: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 16:09.04 | stew | tahorg: what version of postgres is installed? |
| 16:09.32 | themill | tahorg: also, what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 16:10.07 | stew | tahorg: however, this doesn't sound like a postgres bug. they must have gotten root some other way. the postgres user wouldn't have a password. somehow someone gave postgres a password |
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| 16:11.27 | gusnan | Could someone post a working /etc/inputrc? I am trying to get my bash ctrl+arrowkeys step to next/prev word - I've got it working in urxvt, but in bash I have no luck. |
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| 16:18.03 | euzao | !nvidia-prebuilt |
| 16:18.13 | euzao | !nvidia pre-built |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
| 16:19.42 | themill | judd: bug 433639 |
| 16:20.00 | themill | :( |
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| 16:20.30 | stew | use dpkg for now |
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| 16:20.47 | themill | dpkg dbug s433639 |
| 16:20.47 | dpkg | themill: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:20.48 | jim_home | does anyone have a production that could give me some iostats? |
| 16:20.51 | themill | dpkg dbugs 433639 |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | DONE:#433639:N[adduser] adduser --system does not obey --disabled-password (patch); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:33:01 UTC [] |
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| 16:21.12 | ma3x | how do i see a timestamp when i ping google.com ? -t tsonly doesn't show anything |
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| 16:23.12 | _Sam-- | jim_home : apt-get install sysstat |
| 16:23.18 | _Sam-- | then, use iostat |
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| 16:25.40 | jelly | ma3x: that timestamp? |
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| 16:25.44 | jelly | what timestamp? |
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| 16:26.15 | ma3x | jelly: system time |
| 16:26.22 | tahorg | stew: no pass for postgres in shadow |
| 16:26.23 | _Sam-- | ma3x : need -T |
| 16:26.24 | _Sam-- | not -t |
| 16:26.29 | ma3x | _Sam--: I tried it |
| 16:26.41 | ma3x | not changing anything |
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| 16:26.49 | themill | tahorg: I've just checked the debian package for postgresql-8.1 and the account is locked by default. The user cannot login with a password. |
| 16:26.53 | CVirus | How can I enable bash completion for all the users on my system ? |
| 16:27.53 | _Sam-- | ma3x : i see what you're saying -- dont know, never needed or used the -T flag. |
| 16:27.59 | AcTiVaTe | Make sure it is sourced in /etc/bashrc |
| 16:28.02 | themill | CVirus: uncomment the last 3 lines in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 16:28.26 | dqn | can I access .tar.gz files and .jar files like "directories" in bash? |
| 16:28.41 | stew | tahorg: what about /etc/passwd |
| 16:28.45 | CVirus | themill: I did that ... but I had to echo '. /etc/bash_completion' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 16:28.49 | jelly | ma3x: why do you need it? |
| 16:29.41 | jelly | ma3x: try running ping -T to a closer machine (like, one on the local lan), see whether it works and ifit suits your purpose |
| 16:29.45 | ma3x | jelly: i want to see when and how long my provider cuts off the connection to the 'global' internet |
| 16:29.54 | CVirus | themill: which 3 lines are you talking about ? |
| 16:30.04 | jelly | ma3x: and ping -T helps how? |
| 16:30.19 | _Sam-- | jelly: you're right -- the -T did work on the lan pings. |
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| 16:30.45 | _Sam-- | doesnt work when i use it to ping www.google.com, though. |
| 16:30.48 | themill | CVirus: default debian /etc/bash.bashrc: http://rafb.net/p/KSKZuy15.html |
| 16:31.23 | ma3x | jelly: no it doesn't help. i'm trying to ping google.com or another distant site. and ping -T tsonly google.com doesn't display differences than when i use only ping google.com |
| 16:31.36 | jelly | ma3x: I mean, I have no idea what -T is supposed to do. What does it do? |
| 16:31.59 | _Sam-- | ma3x : im not sure why the -T would be needed to calculate the downtime. |
| 16:31.59 | tahorg | themill: libc6 Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 |
| 16:32.11 | CVirus | themill: enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc). |
| 16:32.21 | ma3x | jelly: it's supposed to display the timestamp. but i don't really know. |
| 16:32.22 | tahorg | themill: sorry I had to open dpkg/status, I've only ftp access |
| 16:32.26 | CVirus | themill: what is "/etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc" ? |
| 16:32.27 | _Sam-- | you could use a more widespread tool, like MON or the like. |
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| 16:32.33 | ma3x | all i wanted to do is ping google.com and see the hh:tt:ss every ping |
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| 16:32.46 | jelly | ma3x: oh |
| 16:33.22 | themill | CVirus: help source; it's a long way of saying ". /etc/bash.bashrc" |
| 16:33.47 | _Sam-- | ma3x : if monitoring your connection is of that kind of priority, i think you are choosing the wrong tool. |
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| 16:34.13 | CVirus | themill: how can i do it ? |
| 16:34.27 | CVirus | themill: I mean for every user on my system |
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| 16:35.07 | jelly | ma3x: ping blah | {while read line; do echo "$(date +:%M:%S) $line"; done } |
| 16:35.16 | _Sam-- | ma3x: something that might work well for you is MTR |
| 16:35.17 | jelly | ma3x: ping blah | {while read line; do echo "$(date +%H:%M:%S) $line"; done } |
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| 16:35.33 | _Sam-- | mtr is just a traceroute type tool...not monitoring. |
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| 16:36.03 | ma3x | jelly bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
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| 16:36.33 | jelly | bash sucks! |
| 16:36.52 | ma3x | you are some scripter |
| 16:36.59 | ma3x | just kidding :p |
| 16:37.32 | themill | jelly: change the {} for () |
| 16:37.55 | jelly | themill: that's extra shell |
| 16:38.02 | themill | yes, and it also works |
| 16:38.14 | jelly | ma3x: put some space between { and while |
| 16:38.27 | themill | that also works :) |
| 16:39.02 | jelly | -T option for ping totally doesn't do what ma3x wanted it to |
| 16:39.19 | themill | acts surprised |
| 16:39.30 | tahorg | extra shell ... don't you have something better to optimize ? |
| 16:39.31 | _Sam-- | it does, it provides an absolute timestamp. it increments each second. |
| 16:39.42 | _Sam-- | though it doesnt do it as elegantly as your script. |
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| 16:40.01 | jelly | elegantly...? |
| 16:40.12 | _Sam-- | and doesnt seem to work for pinging distant (non-lan) hosts |
| 16:40.16 | jelly | checks to see if his irc client rewrote the line |
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| 16:41.07 | jelly | themill: also note this solves the "| read foo " problem |
| 16:41.21 | jelly | foo is defined inside { } |
| 16:41.24 | ma3x | jelly excellent thanks! |
| 16:41.34 | themill | looks at jelly confusedly |
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| 16:41.55 | jelly | there was a person asking why echo bar | read foo didn't work |
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| 16:42.21 | jelly | (foo being unchanged after that) |
| 16:42.30 | themill | ah yeah |
| 16:43.07 | themill | jelly: you want: echo "hello" | { read foo; echo $foo } |
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| 16:43.24 | jelly | um. that's what I said |
| 16:43.41 | themill | jelly: no, that was a question. Bash doesn't like that. |
| 16:43.59 | jelly | dash does, I think |
| 16:44.04 | jelly | zsh does too |
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| 16:44.08 | themill | !blame shells |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | blames kingsley and shells for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:44.15 | jelly | !start a shell wat |
| 16:44.18 | jelly | !start a shell war |
| 16:44.18 | dpkg | zsh owns es |
| 16:44.33 | themill | jelly: dash doesn't like it either |
| 16:44.38 | lunk | korn > csh |
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| 16:45.09 | themill | jelly: but once again a subshell works... |
| 16:45.25 | jelly | make the code ugly, though |
| 16:45.50 | themill | () is uglier than {}? |
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| 16:46.30 | jelly | no, uglier than it'd be if just "app | while read line " worked |
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| 16:47.06 | jelly | you have to put everything working with the variable inside {} (or ()) and add one indentation level |
| 16:47.10 | themill | jelly: gah.. needs a ; before the last }. fscking arcane syntax. |
| 16:47.26 | stew | zsh doesn't need the last ; :) |
| 16:47.40 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : i still need your help! |
| 16:47.40 | jelly | zsh doesn't need {} at all either, I think |
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| 16:47.59 | stew | _Sam--: is it something that only don can help with? |
| 16:48.01 | jelly | stew: but show me the id10t writing zsh scripts |
| 16:48.27 | jelly | has rewritten his own to perl |
| 16:48.28 | micols | zsh is good, except for scripting |
| 16:48.46 | jelly | rm **/*(.m+30) |
| 16:48.46 | stew | i guess i would be one such idiot |
| 16:48.53 | jelly | do not run |
| 16:48.58 | micols | would be nice if it loaded bash as soon as i wrote some script in :P, then it would still start in half the time |
| 16:48.58 | _Sam-- | stew : he's done some direct admin work on my servers....i asked for channel help with regards to the question but could not get it fixed. i have a new remote php programmer who has not earned our trust yet...and i want to use ttysnoop/s to monitor. |
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| 16:49.17 | _Sam-- | i got it so that sshd would prompt the user, and the user would appear to login, but hang just before a shell prompt. |
| 16:49.21 | jelly | stew: not very portable, are they! |
| 16:49.25 | _Sam-- | even though, i could 'snoop' that connection at that point. |
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| 16:49.42 | tnks | can someone help me figure out the difference between /etc/group, /etc/group-, and /etc/group.org? |
| 16:49.58 | jelly | tnks: - is a backup file |
| 16:50.00 | micols | group- isw backup |
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| 16:50.06 | jelly | dunno about .org |
| 16:50.12 | micols | group.org is nondefault |
| 16:50.20 | tnks | jelly: micols: cool, that's good to know. |
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| 16:50.30 | jelly | tnks: you also have shadow- |
| 16:50.40 | tnks | so I'm guessing all the /etc/*- files are backups. |
| 16:50.46 | jelly | right |
| 16:50.50 | tnks | excellent. |
| 16:50.56 | jelly | wtf, /etc/asound.conf- |
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| 16:51.12 | tnks | so the only thing left that's weird is the "/etc/*.org" mystery. |
| 16:51.38 | tnks | there's group.org, passwd.org, and shadow.org |
| 16:52.07 | tnks | doing an 'apt-file search passwd.org' now. |
| 16:52.13 | tnks | nothing. |
| 16:52.19 | dimes | Hola all, would anyone on know of or can point me in the direction of a link to a formalized way to handle the creation, tracking, and deletion of users within a debian package? Thanks |
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| 16:53.40 | dimes | I have done some searching, but no one seems to cover this. Currently I do a bunch of grepping and logic within pre and post install scripts, but it seems like there might be a more formalized way to do it |
| 16:54.26 | jelly | dimes: you can always pick a well-known package and look at what it's doing |
| 16:54.47 | jelly | mysql-server, clamav or amavis come to mind |
| 16:55.12 | tnks | okay, so I see base-passwd.postinst using /etc/passwd.org as a backup. |
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| 16:55.41 | dimes | jelly: Thanks, was hoping to find some set documentation, but I guess Ill go that way for now |
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| 16:57.35 | jelly | I'd expect to find something in NMG or debian-policy |
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| 16:57.41 | jelly | !nmg |
| 16:57.41 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
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| 17:00.14 | ^shark_1 | i have gone to #squid but no one seems to know how to go about this |
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| 17:00.51 | ^shark_1 | i have set blocked ips from surfing the net but i want these same blocked ips to access a particular site, i wonder how i can solve this |
| 17:01.19 | tnks | okay, one more question. I gave my user group a "group password", but I'm not sure it's being used anywhere. |
| 17:01.28 | cire | I have a D945GCLF2 board with Atom330 on it. Everything works perfectly, but when adding a PCI Card (Technisat SKYSTAR 2.6) I get freezes. (System won't react any more). One time, I saw something with "soft lookup". Also, I get DMA errors for hda with card inserted. Removing the PCI Card makes the System work again. |
| 17:01.36 | tnks | does anyone know much about "group passwords"? |
| 17:02.30 | jelly | tnks: what about them? when he does "sg groupname", does he get asked for it? |
| 17:03.15 | jelly | tnks: wait, you set a password for group "users"? |
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| 17:06.17 | tnks | jelly: no just my personal user account's group. |
| 17:06.31 | tnks | jelly: there's a few things that I never really messed with, but now I'm interested. |
| 17:07.00 | tnks | jelly: I've always taken the /etc/group entry for each user for granted. |
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| 17:07.20 | tnks | and never even though about having a user without a respective group in /etc/group. |
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| 17:10.43 | l337ingDisorder | is there any way to download .deb files from the repos but not install them? |
| 17:11.30 | linkslice | i think I already know the answer to this, but would it make any sense to install lenny, then change the sources to etch and apt-get upgrade? we need an etch system but with the new mdadm features of lenny |
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| 17:12.32 | tnks | okay, so I think I understand the group password better now. you don't need to enter it really if you're already in the group. . . but you need it to use "sg", which I've just never done. |
| 17:12.35 | jelly | tnks: I haven't used that feature, but it seems to me sg works pretty much like su |
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| 17:13.30 | jelly | l337ingDisorder: yes, there is an option for apt-get or aptitude command line to only download stuff. |
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| 17:14.16 | jelly | one with a l337ingDisorder should be able to look it up in the manual! |
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| 17:15.02 | l337ingDisorder | jelly: I usually use --help and there's no listing for --download-only in --help |
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| 17:15.12 | l337ingDisorder | jelly: so I tried --download-only but I don't see the .deb anywhere |
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| 17:16.10 | jelly | l337ingDisorder: which command? |
| 17:16.28 | l337ingDisorder | apt-get install fluxbox --download-only |
| 17:16.47 | l337ingDisorder | there's a fluxbox deb in /var/cache/apt/archive but there's also a deb of every other package I've installed |
| 17:16.56 | jelly | l337ingDisorder: look closely under Options in apt-get --help | less |
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| 17:17.02 | l337ingDisorder | i guess i can just manually look up the dependenceies |
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| 17:17.23 | jelly | l337ingDisorder: yes, that's the place where they get downloaded |
| 17:17.56 | l337ingDisorder | mkay thanks for the help eh! :) |
| 17:18.23 | jelly | I hope you've found your -d. |
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| 17:21.36 | jelly | wonders whether there's a irc <-> google chat proxy |
| 17:21.40 | De_Mon | uugh, I'm really starting to hate locales |
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| 17:22.12 | stew | jelly: bitlbee |
| 17:22.33 | De_Mon | my thoughts exactly |
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| 17:23.10 | De_Mon | is en_US.UTF-8 a good choice for locale? It doesnt seem to be generating the same pretty lineart I was getting before messing with this stuff |
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| 17:23.53 | stew | De_Mon: yes, en_US.UTF-8 is good. if you aren't getting lineart, its a term/font problem, not a locale problem |
| 17:25.05 | jelly | stew: yeah, I've just figured out it used xmpp/jabber |
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| 17:25.58 | tnks | okay, I'm fastly filling in the gaps I had about passwd, group, and the shadow files. |
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| 17:26.27 | tnks | one more question: the gid 65534 is reserved for "nobody"? |
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| 17:27.33 | jelly | tnks: yes. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
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| 17:29.29 | De_Mon | stew weel, I had this screen session running before installing locales and setting the locale, and creating a new shell (term=screen) and loading up something with lineart (centericq) gives me actuall lines. If I create a new screen session from a new ssh session, the line art turns into + - | characters |
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| 17:31.15 | De_Mon | I get strange results with dpkg-reconfigure in dialog mode between the two enviroments too |
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| 17:48.20 | Reenen | hi all... I have a question... I have: fpc 2.2.0 installed (default Feisty ubuntu), I also have the svn of fpc 2.2.2+, but this one doesn't compile. So I got the latest compiler's .deb file, to compile the svn version... then last I want my svn version to be my "default" version... I'll gladly break it down into smaller chunks... |
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| 17:49.24 | stew | Reenen: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 17:50.41 | buntfalke | Is flashplugin-nonfree kept in experimental on purpose? Or will it also move to sid/testing/stable at some time? |
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| 17:51.19 | themill | judd version flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:51.19 | judd | themill: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 17:51.23 | themill | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:51.24 | judd | themill: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 17:51.24 | avu | buntfalke, only flash 10 is in experimental |
| 17:51.30 | Reenen | sorry... lemme explain a little more succinctly. How do I install a .deb file |
| 17:51.42 | avu | buntfalke, because no new upstream major releases are allowed into sid at the moment |
| 17:51.48 | themill | Reenen: #ubuntu for questions with ubuntu systems |
| 17:51.55 | buntfalke | Reenen: if it is ubuntu, you're wrong here - no more details needed |
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| 17:52.28 | buntfalke | avu: for some reason my system claims there wouldnt be any available version otherwise...hm |
| 17:52.41 | avu | buntfalke, are you running lenny? |
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| 17:52.51 | buntfalke | aye |
| 17:53.03 | avu | yeah, lenny doesn't have the package, sid does though |
| 17:53.21 | buntfalke | just noticed in the judd output, too - thanks |
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| 17:53.58 | buntfalke | oh ah, why arent there any "new upstream major releases are allowed into sid at the moment"? |
| 17:54.21 | buntfalke | because sid will be made the new testing soon, so when testing is frozen, sid is frozen too? |
| 17:54.23 | themill | buntfalke: we're playing "don't break sid" in preparation for lenny's release |
| 17:54.32 | Reenen | I'll go off to #ubuntu... but I first want to say... had I asked "How do I install a .deb file" you would have answered me? Or not, is that just too n00b, and debian is just for elitists? |
| 17:55.00 | buntfalke | Reenen: yes to the 1st, no the the 2nd |
| 17:55.11 | buntfalke | Reenen: use dpkg to install deb files. |
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| 17:55.35 | themill | Reenen: we would have answered, but you would have been dishonest with us. We are volunteers supporting debian users in here. #ubuntu has its own people. |
| 17:55.41 | stew | Reenen: its got nothing to do with whether or not the question is "too n00b" or if "debian is for elitists" it's that you are asking the question in the wrong channel |
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| 17:56.18 | buntfalke | themill: Is this part of the general policy? Is sid always frozen together with testing? I always heard it for testing only all the time |
| 17:56.20 | avu | buntfalke, for testing to be frozen, sid has to be frozen too, otherwise migration of packages would be made hard to impossible |
| 17:56.33 | stew | buntfalke: /msg dpkg slushy |
| 17:56.36 | buntfalke | that's what i thought. thanks avu |
| 17:56.45 | stew | sid isn't frozen per se |
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| 17:57.12 | buntfalke | thanks stew |
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| 17:57.38 | stew | there is nothing preventing people from uploading to sid other than convention, whereas there are technical measures in place preventing updates to testing |
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| 17:59.45 | hmmhesays | in /etc/network/interfaces is it the auto line that tells debian to bring that interface up on boot? |
| 18:00.01 | theholyduck | stew, wich is why we love sid |
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| 18:04.48 | Eulex | anyone got any clue why ssh localhost "ssh localhost" fails in the following way? http://pastebin.com/m2ac3db30 |
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| 18:06.06 | d-b | you don't know your own password ? |
| 18:06.11 | davi | Does Debian 'etch' support installing on any IDE, SCSI and SATA hard disks? |
| 18:06.33 | d-b | davi: yes. all of them. |
| 18:06.43 | d-b | !install |
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| 18:06.43 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:07.06 | davi | !install guide |
| 18:07.06 | dpkg | hmm... install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual. Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG> |
| 18:07.10 | Eulex | d-b, I do, it doesn't even let me input my password the _second_ time I should enter it. |
| 18:07.30 | d-b | are you going ssh localhost ? |
| 18:07.52 | davi | d-b, Does it support installing on SAS hard drives too? |
| 18:08.04 | IamSOG | 2.6.8.1.tar.bz2 |
| 18:08.21 | Eulex | I'm doing ssh localhost "ssh localhost". a basic ssh localhost works very well. what I'm wondering is why ssh localhost "ssh localhost" (ie, stacking the ssh logins) doesn't work |
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| 18:08.56 | aidehua | Eulex: Perhaps if you could elaborate on "doesn't work", you'd be able to work out what exactly wasn't working. |
| 18:09.08 | d-b | aidehua: he has see the pastebin. |
| 18:09.10 | mkhlnsh | hello. does debian have support for encrypted ext4? |
| 18:09.23 | Eulex | aidehua, I believe my pastebin elaborates :) |
| 18:09.29 | aidehua | Apologies. /me looks |
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| 18:09.33 | d-b | mkhlnsh: yes but you would need to do it your self. the default is ext3. |
| 18:09.45 | d-b | i could be wrong tho. |
| 18:10.19 | mkhlnsh | d-b, will i be able to mount my actual partitions from the installer? that's what i need... |
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| 18:10.43 | aidehua | Eulex: is it the second ssh invocation that is asking for the password? Are you using an agent? |
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| 18:10.56 | d-b | mkhlnsh: i think so. i am not entirely sure. it should be possible |
| 18:11.03 | hmmhesays | how to you tell a network interface not to start on boot in debian? |
| 18:11.05 | Eulex | another odd thing is that if I ssh localhost, then after I've been logged in, I ssh localhost, that works. but ssh localhost "ssh localhost" (putting ssh localhost as a command to ssh localhost) doesn't work |
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| 18:11.27 | mkhlnsh | d-b, do you have any idea where i should look for mor info about? |
| 18:11.31 | Eulex | aidehua, it is the first ssh invocation that is asking for a password. the second doesn't even let, but is giving the permission denied errors. |
| 18:11.43 | Eulex | guess I should elaborate my pastebin a little :) |
| 18:11.54 | mkhlnsh | d-b, s/mor/more |
| 18:11.57 | d-b | yes this channel or googling / debian.org .... (some one will know more than i) |
| 18:12.50 | aidehua | Eulex: Have you tried 'ssh -t localhost "ssh localhost"', out of interest? |
| 18:13.47 | Eulex | aidehua, aah, that worked like a charm! thank you! |
| 18:14.46 | aidehua | Eulex: so because a pty wasn't being allocated (it usually isn't when you use ssh in "run this command remotely" mode, as opposed to login mode), the second ssh instance didn't even try to ask you for your password. |
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| 18:15.12 | Eulex | aidehua, makes perfect sense. thank you again! |
| 18:16.05 | mikeX | hello, I seem to be missing the /etc/network/interfaces file in my lenny installation, any ideas as to how this happened? which package installs it (netbase)? |
| 18:17.04 | IamSOG | um.. if I just put Module (M) when I make menuconfig it won't slow down my system as much as yes (*) right ? |
| 18:17.59 | stew | IamSOG: is it a module you are actually going to use? |
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| 18:18.40 | dqn | question - is there any specific name for the practice of processing every line "as it comes in" as opposed to waiting for the EOF and then processing whole chunk? |
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| 18:19.18 | IamSOG | stew there are modules I am not sure, so I think I will just make it as a module... but I am wondering, does it mean a smaller kernel will load faster? narually ? |
| 18:19.24 | IamSOG | naturally* |
| 18:20.30 | stew | IamSOG: a smaller kenrel will load faster, but not by a very noticable amount. if you are going to end up using the module and therefore loading it anyway, then it doesn't make a difference |
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| 18:21.38 | pickcoder | is anyone here running a supermicro X7DWE server board? |
| 18:21.43 | IamSOG | stew I see, thanks, I am just wondering there are certain drvers and mouldes I don't need... oh well, I will not (*) it Then, I just make it as modules should be fine |
| 18:22.39 | stew | IamSOG: why are you compiling a kernel in the first place. the debian compiled kernels already have practically everything possible built as modules |
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| 18:23.18 | IamSOG | stew I have a Crusoe CPU I want to do the Transmeta longrun with it |
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| 18:23.35 | pickcoder | I have had nothing but problems with every Intel 5xxx series server board I've purchased |
| 18:24.11 | De_Mon | stew I just reconfigure locale and chose en_US as the default locale (instead of UTF-8 and changed the translation in putty from UTF-8 to 8859-1 and it looks "normal" again |
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| 18:25.20 | brainsail | if memtest86 reports different errors on each pass, is the memory ok and the errors are caused by wrong timing? |
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| 18:25.20 | stew | De_Mon: does it work correctly using an xterm instead of putty? |
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| 18:26.30 | De_Mon | stew I don't have an xterm handy, but secureCRT and PuTTY both show the same behavior |
| 18:26.50 | stew | what is securecrt? |
| 18:27.30 | stew | De_Mon: oh, is this on windows? |
| 18:28.10 | De_Mon | yeah both windows terminal emulators |
| 18:28.26 | stew | i'm not going to be helpful in solving font problems in windows |
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| 18:29.46 | De_Mon | baah, I really don't think it's a font issue but let me dig up a live cd and confirm |
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| 18:34.58 | Johnessy | hello everyone |
| 18:35.06 | Johnessy | does anyone have experience using "knockd" ? |
| 18:35.26 | stew | Johnessy: just assume yes, and ask your real question |
| 18:35.38 | cousin_luigi | is it true lenny will be pushed ahead to june 2009? |
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| 18:35.45 | stew | cousin_luigi: no |
| 18:35.51 | Johnessy | well, i recently installed and configured it..but when i nmap the server the port 22 shows up |
| 18:35.57 | stew | cousin_luigi: its going to be released as soon as the RC bug count hits zero |
| 18:36.07 | cousin_luigi | k |
| 18:36.11 | cousin_luigi | just an unfounded rumour then |
| 18:36.26 | pickcoder | wonders where it was "founded" |
| 18:36.26 | stew | cousin_luigi: debian never sets dates for releases |
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| 18:37.19 | ilaiho | hi! |
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| 18:37.29 | ilaiho | I have problems with the PXE install. |
| 18:37.31 | cousin_luigi | stew: but hints at |
| 18:37.38 | stew | cousin_luigi: debian sets goals. a new release comes whenever the goals are met, and the release has no release critical bugs holding it up. right now there are somewhere between 100-200 release critical bugs, as soon as those are dealt with, lenny gets released, /msg dpkg lenny status |
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| 18:37.49 | ilaiho | it complains that kernel modules are not found. |
| 18:37.52 | stew | cousin_luigi: the release team tries to make estimates from time to time, and they are usually optimistic |
| 18:38.07 | dondelelcaro | cousin_luigi: what you probably read is someone's projection based on an arbitrary trend line from the number of RC bugs |
| 18:38.23 | cousin_luigi | possibly |
| 18:38.26 | stew | that one was silly |
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| 18:38.43 | cousin_luigi | actually just the headline..I can't even load the page |
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| 18:39.20 | cousin_luigi | ok, it allegedly quotes Steve McIntyre with that figure |
| 18:39.57 | stew | cousin_luigi: there is no reason to believe the steve mcintyre would know any better than anyone else when the rest of the bugs will be fixed |
| 18:40.25 | cousin_luigi | wait, he actually dismissed that claim |
| 18:40.27 | Kasreyn | when i reboot my system is hung at "Killing remaining processes" and then it says " |
| 18:40.28 | cousin_luigi | it was someone else |
| 18:40.31 | Kasreyn | rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out" |
| 18:40.48 | cousin_luigi | anyway I got the point |
| 18:40.49 | d-b | cousin_luigi: 200rc bugs but if you don't mind those upgrade. |
| 18:40.52 | Kasreyn | can something be done to fix it? |
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| 18:42.56 | cousin_luigi | does mind and sticks with stable |
| 18:43.05 | stew | cousin_luigi: Bastian Venthur is the one that made the projection. he didn't provide any of the math he used to fit the curves, and I'd suspect it is becuase he didn't use any math. |
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| 18:44.28 | d-b | stew: but his blog is entertaining if it is really him |
| 18:44.32 | d-b | http://blog.venthur.de/2008/10/07/lennys-release-date/ |
| 18:44.54 | EmleyMoor | How do I feed mail received with getlive through an exim filter? |
| 18:45.10 | pickcoder | if all bugs were created equal you could probably project a release date |
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| 18:45.20 | pickcoder | then again, bugs often present bugs |
| 18:45.29 | pickcoder | er.. bug fixes |
| 18:45.36 | cousin_luigi | it also assumes that the debugging speed remains constant |
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| 18:45.57 | n3kl_ | Does vserver require a "magic" kernel the way xen does? |
| 18:46.37 | d-b | and bugs are not fixed elsewhere. |
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| 18:47.02 | EmleyMoor | Does exim -bm accept mbox format? |
| 18:47.32 | Kasreyn | adding "nolock" to the nfs share in fstab solves the problem |
| 18:47.48 | Johnessy | so..does anyone know about my problem? |
| 18:47.49 | n3kl_ | Which would be a better choice on linux: l2tp, pptp, or ipsec? |
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| 18:48.57 | cousin_luigi | I think l2tp can be used with both |
| 18:49.05 | cousin_luigi | pptp is disgraceful though |
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| 18:49.19 | n3kl_ | whys that? |
| 18:49.49 | cousin_luigi | it has well known security flaws |
| 18:50.16 | cousin_luigi | even microsoft discourages its use |
| 18:50.25 | cousin_luigi | can't you use openvpn? |
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| 18:51.03 | n3kl_ | I use openvpn for my linux clients, but I want to be able to use my ipod, which has a vpn client for the three I listed. |
| 18:51.19 | n3kl_ | Plus, someday, I think I will want to add support to my network for a windows client also |
| 18:51.31 | n3kl_ | why openvpn has, but it is more difficult for noobs to setup |
| 18:51.39 | _Sam-- | n3kl_ : opevpn has a gui |
| 18:51.41 | _Sam-- | for windows |
| 18:51.48 | _Sam-- | (gui client) sorry |
| 18:51.50 | n3kl_ | I don't want to have to explain private/public keys to my users though |
| 18:52.45 | _Sam-- | whatever works for you. |
| 18:52.47 | cousin_luigi | ipsec is much more safer than pptp |
| 18:52.58 | cousin_luigi | I think it's a little bit complicated to set up though |
| 18:53.03 | n3kl_ | but it sucks to try to implement on linux from what I hear |
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| 18:53.49 | cousin_luigi | I'm sure there are howtos |
| 18:54.00 | n3kl_ | I bet |
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| 18:54.25 | _Sam-- | "I have been spending quite some time lately comparing L2TP VPN on Linux versus OpenVPN. After doing a lot of testing I came to the conclusion that not only OpenVPN is faster than L2TP, but also much easier to set up and configure." |
| 18:54.28 | _Sam-- | http://megaz.arbuz.com/2006/12/24/l2tp-vs-openvpn |
| 18:55.07 | cousin_luigi | _Sam--: that's from almost two years ago |
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| 18:55.08 | pickcoder | n3kl_: if you have one key for a remote PC then you don't have to explain anything |
| 18:55.13 | cousin_luigi | perhaps things are different then |
| 18:55.23 | cousin_luigi | s/then/now |
| 18:55.26 | _Sam-- | cousin_luigi : nothing has changed with regard to the performance or ease of configuration. |
| 18:55.52 | pickcoder | apart from Vista fixes in the GUI client |
| 18:55.59 | _Sam-- | either way, whatever workd for you, works for me. |
| 18:55.59 | n3kl | Well, it now looks like password authentication is possible with openvpn |
| 18:56.19 | _Sam-- | s/workd/works |
| 18:57.04 | vaq | When running scp from server to server how to apply that permissions on dirs and such are copied with? |
| 18:57.36 | _Sam-- | vaq: the permissions on the local side will always be changed to the user running scp on that side. the permissions should be the same, i think. |
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| 18:57.41 | _Sam-- | just the owner will change. |
| 18:57.48 | _Sam-- | based on who is running the scp. |
| 18:57.49 | booooooooo | scusate qualkun parlaitaliano |
| 18:58.08 | booooooooo | scusate |
| 18:58.13 | pickcoder | vaq: -p preserves times/dates/modes |
| 18:58.16 | esds | wat |
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| 18:58.20 | booooooooo | nessun italiano |
| 18:58.25 | esds | wat |
| 18:58.31 | cousin_luigi | booooooooo: #debian-it ? |
| 18:58.37 | ndo | Hi guys, i've got a view little questions. On this (Debian Live) website: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ in downloads section: (http://live.debian.net/cdimage/) i can find current lenny builds. Then i choose net directory, (i believe its netinst). Further i see debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop-net.tar.gz and debian-live-lenny-i386-standard-net.tar.gz . Someone, whats the difference? I mean, is this "standard" version also gnome or what is it? plz, a |
| 18:58.37 | ndo | nd thx. :) |
| 18:58.42 | booooooooo | speak italian |
| 18:58.47 | vaq | pickcoder: i tried that, didnt help. |
| 18:58.52 | _Sam-- | hmm i guess m wrong like usuual. |
| 18:58.54 | pickcoder | vaq: rysnc is an option if you are backing up files |
| 18:59.03 | vaq | pickcoder: it is not, just moven |
| 18:59.13 | vaq | pickcoder: but -r -p didn't work |
| 18:59.13 | pickcoder | tar them |
| 18:59.16 | pickcoder | scp the tar |
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| 18:59.21 | cousin_luigi | booooooooo: dobbiamo sempre farci riconoscere? |
| 18:59.41 | booooooooo | vabbe ma se uno nn sa parlare inglese mica si puo uccidere |
| 18:59.42 | stew | !it |
| 18:59.42 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:01.14 | booooooooo | insomma nessuno puo aiutarmi |
| 19:01.40 | _Sam-- | my scp copies modes fine...just the owner of the file changes based on the user running the scp. |
| 19:01.54 | _Sam-- | (that is without -p) |
| 19:01.59 | booooooooo | vabbe grazie lo stesso |
| 19:02.11 | AcTiVaTe | With normal cp I use -a to maintain ownership |
| 19:02.33 | stew | booooooooo: english only in here. please go to #debian-it if you want to speak italian |
| 19:02.47 | booooooooo | ok |
| 19:02.49 | booooooooo | grazie |
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| 19:06.27 | beware | i sent a mail to debian-security a while ago but i never got any reply |
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| 19:20.13 | fourlastor | hi all |
| 19:20.45 | fourlastor | if i have a mouse with 2 special keys, can i bind them to simulate multi-key pression? |
| 19:21.34 | simonrvn | you can activate them, just set up the mouse properly |
| 19:22.18 | fourlastor | uh? |
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| 19:27.34 | fourlastor | i've found this |
| 19:27.35 | fourlastor | http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=138812 |
| 19:27.48 | fourlastor | can i adapt it to make the emulation? |
| 19:27.54 | simonrvn | thinks he was speaking plain english |
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| 19:28.23 | fourlastor | yes, i know, my english is bad :( |
| 19:28.25 | simonrvn | fourlastor: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 19:28.46 | fourlastor | i've lenny |
| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | ok, here, i'll show you what you can start with, sec, while i put it in a pastebin |
| 19:29.59 | fourlastor | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:31.38 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/19311/ |
| 19:31.50 | simonrvn | check that out. i made it a bit more generic |
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| 19:32.46 | simonrvn | that other stuff i removed because it was too specific |
| 19:33.05 | Loeken | Im trying to open a game, it gives me the error "Please choose another video graphics mode", what to do? |
| 19:33.17 | simonrvn | do what it says |
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| 19:33.37 | fourlastor | ok, but with this it works as expected,right? |
| 19:33.47 | Loeken | right, choose another video graphics mode, but How? |
| 19:34.03 | fourlastor | (as expected = as a normal logitech mouse) |
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| 19:35.25 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-(keypad +) / (keypad -) usually |
| 19:35.45 | simonrvn | kinda lame that game doesn't switch mode by itself... |
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| 19:36.18 | fourlastor | and can't i modify thoose key combinations? |
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| 19:39.20 | n-iCe | what is this? sbin/MAKEDEV -d /dev ptmx |
| 19:39.23 | fourlastor | gonna resetting xorg, see you in a while :D |
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| 19:39.31 | n-iCe | I found this tutorial: http://platonic.techfiz.info/2008/10/13/pty-allocation-request-failed-on-channel-0/#more-1057 |
| 19:39.33 | simonrvn | well, depends what you want. that'll take some doc reading and experimentation |
| 19:39.42 | n-iCe | and says: |
| 19:39.42 | n-iCe | I found that its due to a device file which was missing after googling for some time. I remembered working with such files couple of weeks back. That made me think of creating the device file using the old technique. |
| 19:39.46 | n-iCe | Now, finally I created the missing device file ptmx and confirmed that its back in place. |
| 19:39.52 | n-iCe | and on quotes: |
| 19:39.52 | n-iCe | #sbin/MAKEDEV -d /dev ptmx |
| 19:39.52 | n-iCe | #ls -l /dev/ptmx |
| 19:39.53 | n-iCe | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 Oct 13 07:07 /dev/ptmx |
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| 19:39.59 | n-iCe | sorry |
| 19:40.09 | n-iCe | And in quotes that, what can I do? |
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| 19:40.22 | n-iCe | Grr long time with that errot and finally got an answer |
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| 19:40.55 | simonrvn | !tell n-iCe -about paste |
| 19:41.35 | simonrvn | what do you mean in quotes? |
| 19:42.12 | n-iCe | simonrvn: I mean like a command to send, http://platonic.techfiz.info/2008/10/13/pty-allocation-request-failed-on-channel-0/#more-1057 |
| 19:42.22 | n-iCe | But I get -bash: sbin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
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| 19:43.03 | simonrvn | um, /sbin |
| 19:43.27 | simonrvn | sbin you're referring to some non-existent sbin dir in /dev |
| 19:43.43 | simonrvn | !tell n-iCe -about grounding |
| 19:43.59 | beware | i sent a mail to debian-security@debian.org some 5 days ago but it seems to have gone unnoticed |
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| 19:44.23 | simonrvn | they tend to be busy... |
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| 19:45.10 | n-iCe | simonrvn: then, what can I do there? |
| 19:45.37 | beware | the mail is about md5 being no longer usable for security purposes (since quite a while ago), but debian still using it for everything |
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| 19:48.02 | simonrvn | n-iCe: add your missing / |
| 19:48.16 | valdyn | beware: like for what? |
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| 19:48.31 | simonrvn | "engage, number 1"</capt'n picard> |
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| 19:48.35 | beware | debian sends out those security announcement emails (DSA), to tell about updates |
| 19:48.49 | beware | and in those, all packages have download urls and md5 checksums for the user to verify |
| 19:48.58 | valdyn | beware: its used just so you can verify that the download went ok |
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| 19:49.05 | beware | yes, thats why they sign the mail |
| 19:49.16 | valdyn | beware: its not for guaranteeing that its the right file and the right md5 sum |
| 19:49.18 | beware | thats like putting an expensive lock on a wooden door |
| 19:49.32 | valdyn | beware: except that its not a lock or a security mechanism |
| 19:49.34 | beware | if they used sha1 there instead of md5 the chain of trust would extend to the files themselves |
| 19:49.38 | cognitiaclaeves | I was reading in a RH-centric book and found an option to install an RPM to an alternate location. Is it possible to do with apt-get? (I'm looking at setting up a chrooted environment in etch.) |
| 19:49.46 | Splex | anyone have troubles building the 2.6.27 kernel with kernel-package (make-kpkg)?? |
| 19:49.56 | beware | as of now, sha1 is "as available" as md5. i mean, there is no reason to not use it |
| 19:50.00 | simonrvn | beware: they do, check out the desc some time |
| 19:50.03 | beware | and if you're only after integrity you can use crc32 |
| 19:50.06 | Nok | Hi all i am doing a script that will be used to change password of a user every 24h. On centos here is what i ave been using and it work fine http://pastebin.com/d4816c02c But on debian this does not work it get an error about stdin. Thanks in advance for the help |
| 19:50.16 | n-iCe | solved simonrvn |
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| 19:50.30 | n-iCe | just didn't use /sbin, just MAKEDEV -d /dev ptmx |
| 19:50.35 | beware | i dont see the sha1 checksums in that mail |
| 19:50.41 | n-iCe | From /sbin |
| 19:50.49 | beware | http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/libx/libxml2/libxml2-utils_2.6.27.dfsg-5_s390.deb - Size/MD5 checksum: 36378 cbc5eb7e2f81adafeba8e857aee8c918 |
| 19:50.55 | beware | thats an example from a DSA mail |
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| 19:51.42 | epoch | does anyone knwo how to get an ipod working with debian? |
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| 19:52.08 | valdyn | beware: those md5 sums are not a security mechanism |
| 19:52.32 | beware | is there any reason to offer "integrity only" where you could offer "integrity and security" at no additional cost? |
| 19:52.47 | valdyn | beware: thats what debian archive key do |
| 19:52.51 | valdyn | beware: thats what debian archive keys do |
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| 19:53.09 | deadcat | i am trying to stream a radio station online (streamaudio.com), what do i use? i have the url. |
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| 19:53.13 | beware | do the deb files have built in hashes/signatures |
| 19:53.36 | dante_2core | hello eveyone - i'm looking for some kind of jail/daemon program to give running programs less priority on the system, so in case they crash I'll have less trouble killing them |
| 19:53.41 | zinx | beware: no. that would be rather impossible. the repositories have the hashes/signatures. |
| 19:53.58 | beware | then why are the deb files in the mail with direct download urls, which bypass the repository afaik |
| 19:54.02 | dante_2core | anyone know of something like this? kind of a watchdog for specific programs. (I tried renicing them to 20, did not change much) |
| 19:54.21 | SerajewelKS | epoch: the latest banshee has ipod support |
| 19:54.33 | simonrvn | n-iCe: good |
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| 19:54.38 | SerajewelKS | epoch: it's in experimental |
| 19:54.39 | epoch | ok |
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| 19:56.03 | dante_2core | Just found something - schedtool, i'll look into that, thanks anyway - afk |
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| 19:56.43 | beware | zinx |
| 19:57.31 | zinx | beware: oh, you expected an answer from me, who isn't involved with that at all? my best guess would be that adding signatures would take too much space. they're significantly larger than an md5sum. |
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| 19:57.51 | beware | i didnt say to add signatures, just sha1 checksums |
| 19:58.07 | beware | my point is that if the file is downloaded from the download url, you're not using the repository |
| 19:58.14 | beware | so you only have the checksum in the mail to verigy it |
| 19:58.16 | zinx | beware: sha1 isn't going to add anything, really |
| 19:58.20 | beware | why |
| 19:58.41 | zinx | beware: because md5sums detect very nearly all errors that sha1sums detect |
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| 19:59.01 | beware | im talking about security here |
| 19:59.02 | zinx | beware: the checksum is not for security, it's for integrity. |
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| 19:59.07 | beware | if youre not using the repository, you don't have its security |
| 19:59.22 | zinx | beware: why should you trust a sha1 sum for security any more than an md5sum? the email could have just as easily been spoofed. |
| 19:59.30 | beware | because the email has been signed |
| 19:59.44 | zinx | beware: well, take it up with the debian security team then :P |
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| 19:59.52 | beware | i tried. i sent them an email |
| 20:00.06 | zinx | beware: sadly, that is your only recourse |
| 20:00.15 | beware | ill see what happensd |
| 20:00.17 | beware | -d |
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| 20:03.38 | IamSOG | um... Debian need "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" to Compile? what about make bzimage ? |
| 20:04.36 | zinx | IamSOG: it only needs make-kpkg, using the right targets.. of which 'binary' is probably the one you want. |
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| 20:05.02 | zinx | or maybe just binary-arch, *shrug* |
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| 20:05.05 | IamSOG | Oh |
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| 20:05.17 | W3b3r_ | hello guys |
| 20:05.23 | W3b3r_ | I'm using Debian Sid |
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| 20:05.30 | n-iCe | question, what mode in chown or chmod can I use to set .bash_history just for root, and nobody can delete it or modify it? |
| 20:05.43 | W3b3r_ | to install KDE 4.1 I need to add the 'experimental' repository? |
| 20:06.34 | IamSOG | zinx what about make modules ? |
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| 20:06.58 | Johnessy_ | does anyone know why ifconfig is not showing my network card? |
| 20:07.11 | zinx | IamSOG: not needed |
| 20:07.14 | Johnessy_ | i do ifconfig and only "lo" comes up |
| 20:07.30 | IamSOG | :O? don't need to make modules ? |
| 20:07.39 | zinx | IamSOG: make-kpkg does everything for you apart from the config, but it does use oldconfig to ensure it's up-to-date |
| 20:07.59 | IamSOG | oh |
| 20:08.22 | IamSOG | but it's strange, it comes back with "nothing to be done" um... |
| 20:08.53 | enouf | IamSOG: kernel_image {module_image} is enough |
| 20:08.57 | zinx | IamSOG: perhaps it's already built? |
| 20:09.04 | zinx | IamSOG: check ../ for generated .debs |
| 20:09.21 | zinx | IamSOG: debian includes the kernel modules in the linux-image- .deb |
| 20:09.38 | IamSOG | um... it's not there... I checked the .deb it's not made yet, odd |
| 20:09.44 | zinx | IamSOG: if you have external modules, you will probably want to use module-assistant to build those |
| 20:09.50 | Johnessy_ | does anyone know about my problem? |
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| 20:10.10 | enouf | IamSOG: run make clean and start over, cp your old config into wherever you're src is; then make oldconfig ; make menuconfig (to tweak and tidy up) then /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 20:11.00 | IamSOG | oh, ok.. odd, I alrady did a clean and then reload the .config.. um.. |
| 20:11.03 | enouf | IamSOG: if you can read/recognize what that full command does, you can tweak it to obtain whatever you want to resultant version to be |
| 20:11.16 | IamSOG | thanks enouf I will try that again |
| 20:12.42 | IamSOG | so the make bzimage, and make modules won't work with Debian, right ? |
| 20:12.58 | enouf | IamSOG: your old .config (where's it from?) is not necessarily matched to kernel sources (using vanilla or debian sources) - then also consider the --initrd, if you use make-kpkg without it, many times, your builds/kernel will fail - so use an initrd to make it easier |
| 20:13.17 | enouf | it will (to some degree) - but it's not the debian way |
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| 20:13.24 | stew | IamSOG: what command did you run when make-kpkg said "nothing to be done" ? |
| 20:13.36 | IamSOG | enouf I got the .config form the Debian web page, because somehow make oldconfig doens't work |
| 20:13.43 | enouf | IamSOG: debian sources don't match vanilla - ours are Debian patched |
| 20:13.52 | stew | IamSOG: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
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| 20:14.04 | IamSOG | stew I was running make-kpkg |
| 20:14.17 | enouf | IamSOG: you need to be exact |
| 20:14.23 | stew | IamSOG: just "make-kpkg" with no arguments? |
| 20:14.28 | enouf | especially with messages |
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| 20:14.43 | enouf | and any errors and any commands you run |
| 20:15.12 | enouf | IamSOG: and you need to answer some questions ;-) |
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| 20:15.34 | IamSOG | yes, i also tried make-kpkg then fakeroot |
| 20:15.40 | enouf | ... |
| 20:15.52 | simonrvn | um |
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| 20:15.54 | enouf | goes elsewhere |
| 20:16.15 | IamSOG | enouf and stew, so Vanilla patch won't work with Debian? I though the Vanilla should work ? |
| 20:16.16 | zinx | enouf: hey i'm having a problem. it gives me an error. what's wrong!? |
| 20:16.25 | simonrvn | you need fakeroot or sudo with make-kpkg .... |
| 20:16.33 | simonrvn | IamSOG: man make-kpkg |
| 20:16.36 | zinx | IamSOG: vanilla will work, but it has different options in the .config |
| 20:16.41 | enouf | IamSOG: i've built using make-kpkg and vanilla |
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| 20:16.48 | enouf | bingo |
| 20:16.49 | zinx | simonrvn: no, just fakeroot. you should never use sudo :P |
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| 20:17.18 | IamSOG | I already look thru the make menuconfig um.... |
| 20:17.23 | enouf | IamSOG: and what vanilla "patch" ? |
| 20:17.36 | IamSOG | I mean I did fakeroot make-kpkg xxxxx |
| 20:17.38 | enouf | IamSOG: dude - gobackandsitdowna |
| 20:17.42 | stew | IamSOG: just "make-kpkg" is correct in saying "nothing to be done" since you didn't tell it to do anything |
| 20:17.47 | n-iCe | how can I set all the .bash_history to the user can't delete/modify it, and the os write on it to know what they do |
| 20:17.48 | stew | IamSOG: you should recheck the make-kpkg manpage |
| 20:18.02 | paxcoder | I converted a PDF to a .txt with pdftotext. Now I try reading it with "festival --tts", but festival, instead of reading it, starts spelling stuff. Do you happen to know why? |
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| 20:18.38 | enouf | not to mention the /usr/share/{doc/kernel-package/*}/doc stuff |
| 20:18.54 | IamSOG | enouf it's not a patch lol I miss type :P it's version 2.6.27 |
| 20:18.58 | enouf | crap, that synrtax sucks!@ |
| 20:18.58 | paxcoder | Anyone? |
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| 20:19.34 | enouf | paxcoder: i recall something in acroread dealing with TTS plugins ... that's all i know |
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| 20:20.02 | paxcoder | dpkg acroread |
| 20:20.11 | enouf | paxcoder: see if you can tell Festival to read the words and not spell it? |
| 20:20.29 | enouf | paxcoder: it's Adobe's proprietary reader from dmm |
| 20:20.55 | enouf | but you shuold look into it prior to installing - to see if it's what you want/need |
| 20:21.07 | paxcoder | enouf: help told me nothing last time I checked. THe funny thing is, if I edit the file, and write stuff, it gets pronounced good. Anything that is part of original text is still spelled out. |
| 20:21.15 | paxcoder | So I think it may be encoding |
| 20:21.39 | enouf | paxcoder: hrm - if you think it's a #festival issue? |
| 20:22.00 | paxcoder | Tried that. There is not #festival |
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| 20:22.05 | fourlastor | hi all |
| 20:22.23 | paxcoder | enouf: I think it might be pdftotext, but I doubt they would have a channel |
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| 20:22.32 | enouf | paxcoder: there's #gnome{-debian} on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 20:22.43 | fourlastor | simonrvn, i've made all my mouse buttons being received with evdev |
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| 20:23.03 | paxcoder | enouf: sorry? |
| 20:23.15 | enouf | !gnome |
| 20:23.15 | dpkg | i guess gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
| 20:23.55 | paxcoder | enouf: I'm still not sure what you mean. pdftotext is a shell prog. |
| 20:24.40 | marinosi | hey all.. /proc/net/ip_conntrack shows about 7440 connections (natting) , all of them [UNREPLIED] where noone is making traffic that time(no pc online behind nat) .It seems that it does not flushes the connection from the table..What could be te problem? |
| 20:24.41 | enouf | dpkg gnome =~ s#desktop environment#Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE)# |
| 20:24.41 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 20:25.05 | paxcoder | sry about that |
| 20:25.20 | enouf | paxcoder: yes, i know, but isn't Festival gnome related? |
| 20:25.21 | paxcoder | #pdftotxt |
| 20:25.49 | paxcoder | enouf: It's a shell prog. |
| 20:25.57 | paxcoder | o.o |
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| 20:27.44 | enouf | paxcoder: festival is a shell program? |
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| 20:28.21 | paxcoder | enouf: yes. |
| 20:28.40 | paxcoder | enouf: don't know if it has a front, I always used the cli |
| 20:28.46 | enouf | ok, then i'll withdraw |
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| 20:29.31 | CVirus | How the heck do I enable bash completiton for all my system users ? |
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| 20:29.44 | CVirus | completion* |
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| 20:29.48 | enouf | i've only helped some deal with speakup/speechd-up/braille and similar |
| 20:30.04 | enouf | i never installed or used festival |
| 20:30.18 | paxcoder | enouf: Fair enough. Thx for trying. |
| 20:30.23 | enouf | CVirus: their .bashrc each has 3 commented lines |
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| 20:30.58 | enouf | CVirus: you could do something maybe with /etc/default/useradd editing for all new users |
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| 20:31.14 | deepfriedsquirre | I can't get on the Internet with Debian Live Lenny XFCE - ifconfig tells me that it can't find device eth0. Any ideas? |
| 20:31.16 | Tramp | CVirus: vi /etc/bash.bashrc, search for "completion" |
| 20:31.37 | enouf | Tramp: isn't that the actual completion file? |
| 20:31.53 | Tramp | enouf: no. that's bash_completion |
| 20:32.13 | enouf | Tramp: righto - my bad |
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| 20:32.17 | Tramp | enouf: bash.bashrc is the "global" .bashrc |
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| 20:33.00 | enouf | i'm such a putz, haven't looked at that in a long time |
| 20:33.35 | enouf | the last four lines are what are also in each users ~/.bashrc |
| 20:33.42 | enouf | but commented out via default |
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| 20:37.17 | paxcoder | bye |
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| 20:44.16 | CVirus | Tramp: after uncommenting the 3 lines ... bash completion is not enabled for root yet |
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| 20:45.15 | paxcoder | enouf: resolved pdftotext -> festival thing. Spaces were unusual. I've copied one of them in gedit, and replaced it with a space that I pressed, and it was fine when I saved it. Reads ok now. |
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| 20:47.08 | enouf | CVirus: root user's files are in /root |
| 20:47.11 | deadcat | i am trying to stream a radio station online (streamaudio.com), what do i use? i have the url. |
| 20:47.21 | deadcat | vlc mplayer xine? |
| 20:47.26 | enouf | !tell deadcat -about dmm |
| 20:47.26 | nvz | anyone by chance know how to sync contacts from a blackberry in debian? I'm gonna fgi but just figured I'd ask in case anyone has one and knows what software is needed |
| 20:47.39 | enouf | deadcat: any of those |
| 20:48.03 | deadcat | thanks |
| 20:48.07 | enouf | deadcat: though i'd go with mplayer 1st for live streaming |
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| 20:48.40 | CVirus | enouf: isn't /etc/bash.bashrc enough ? |
| 20:48.40 | deadcat | enouf: i tried. maybe i am doing it wrong. |
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| 20:48.46 | enouf | nvz: not sure if unison does what you want - there's all that palmsync shit out ther |
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| 20:49.44 | enouf | CVirus: each user's ~/.bashrc if sourced, overrides the defaults (hopefully, i said that correct) - and /root usually only has a /root/.profile IIRC |
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| 20:49.56 | enouf | you need to customize your own |
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| 20:50.11 | IamSOG | Odd, I am pretty sure the Kernel is made... but I can find it... after I type "make-kpkg" it said "exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=kernel2.27" "Nothing to be done" I type the name by mistake... um.... so that's gonna be the file, but I can't find it :O |
| 20:50.17 | enouf | CVirus: root user's ~ is /root |
| 20:50.29 | CVirus | enouf: what do you mean by "sourced" ? |
| 20:50.42 | enouf | CVirus: "help ." |
| 20:50.52 | enouf | CVirus: "help source" either one, in the shell |
| 20:51.10 | nvz | enouf: idk.. unison looks like a some random proprietary file sync protocol |
| 20:51.15 | IamSOG | enouf Odd, I am pretty sure the Kernel is made... but I can find it... after I type "make-kpkg" it said "exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=kernel2.27" "Nothing to be done" I type the name by mistake... um.... so that's gonna be the file, but I can't find it :O |
| 20:51.18 | nvz | doesn't mention compatibility with anything |
| 20:51.38 | enouf | sourced means the file's contents are read and any config options applied, not executed - IINM |
| 20:51.54 | enouf | nvz: ok, i failed .. |
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| 20:52.13 | enouf | nvz: nothing in apt-cache search |
| 20:52.15 | enouf | ? |
| 20:52.54 | enouf | IamSOG: i can't follow you - and i'm about to go now - and i can't hand hold people through this |
| 20:53.11 | CVirus | enouf: thanks |
| 20:53.20 | IamSOG | lol, ok, I will talk to u later enouf have a nice day :D |
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| 20:54.57 | stew | IamSOG: you need to tell make-kpkg what target to build |
| 20:55.19 | stew | IamSOG: man make-kpkg and look at the TARGETS section |
| 20:56.00 | IamSOG | Hi stew but what about fakeroot make-kpkg xxx ? I though this is the one that make the kernel ? |
| 20:56.08 | nvz | enouf: seems the way to go is to use opensync, and something called "barry" |
| 20:56.17 | stew | IamSOG: what is xxx ? |
| 20:56.32 | IamSOG | stew like the name I am giving the new kernel ? |
| 20:56.33 | nvz | not that big of a deal right now.. I can probably just d/l the windows software and do it later |
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| 20:56.51 | IamSOG | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=versoinabc ? |
| 20:57.05 | stew | IamSOG: then no, since you didn't give make-kpkg a target. man make-kpkg |
| 20:57.16 | IamSOG | Oh, I see... thanks |
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| 21:00.43 | IamSOG | brb |
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| 21:04.05 | CVirus | enouf: /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 21:04.21 | CVirus | enouf: does this mean that /etc/bash.bashrc is executed from /etc/profile ? |
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| 21:06.21 | Loeken | I need to uninstall my nvidia drivers, How can I do that? |
| 21:06.34 | zinx | aptitude remove nvidia-glx ? |
| 21:07.40 | Loeken | It did not work =/ |
| 21:08.14 | zinx | you installed it improperly, then, and you're going to have to tell us how you did so |
| 21:08.48 | deadcat | no luck on streaming a radio station via mplayer. )= |
| 21:09.03 | theholyduck | zinx, probaly with the nvidia installer? |
| 21:09.14 | Loeken | I downloaded the latest from nvidia.com/drivers stopped gnome, and sh "nvidia file", then I went though the installer steps and it was done |
| 21:09.45 | theholyduck | yeah. what i thought |
| 21:09.51 | theholyduck | nobody does it the debian wayy |
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| 21:10.56 | n3kl | I do |
| 21:11.03 | phz | I do! |
| 21:11.09 | jimcooncat | what should I use for an intranet domain name? .local isn't good, right? There's .localhost but that sounds like one machine, not a 10.x.x.x network. Maybe .lan? |
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| 21:11.39 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.40 | SparFux | How can I find my dhcp laser printer in my network? |
| 21:12.05 | deadcat | SparFux: look at the router's dhcp client table |
| 21:12.19 | phz | Loeken: It says you should run the installatio nfile with the --uninstall option |
| 21:12.21 | SparFux | deadcat: the router uses dnsmasq. |
| 21:12.32 | valdyn | jimcooncat: its just a name, pick whatever |
| 21:12.40 | valdyn | jimcooncat: just not internet tld |
| 21:12.43 | phz | Loeken: sh filename.run --uninstall |
| 21:13.32 | phz | Loeken: Then you probably will have to revert the changes made to /etc/X11/xorg.conf . A backup should have been created by the NVIDIA installer. |
| 21:13.41 | jhutchins_wk | jimcooncat: Pick a domain. Maybe even register it, so if some day you want it to have a public interface, you can. |
| 21:13.50 | Loeken | ohh..it was that simple! Thanks phz! |
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| 21:13.59 | jhutchins_wk | jimcooncat: I usually use .net internally, and .org or .com externally. |
| 21:14.19 | jimcooncat | SparFux: you should be able to print a status page using the buttons on the printer; mine gives me the IP |
| 21:15.15 | jimcooncat | jhutchins_wk, valdyn: thanks. I guess I can go with .lan since it's sensible, generic, and hopefully won't be made into a TLD. |
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| 21:15.36 | valdyn | jimcooncat: .local is used by discover / rendezvous / avahi etc btw |
| 21:15.52 | valdyn | jimcooncat: which is the only reason why its probably not a good idea to be used with dns |
| 21:16.06 | jimcooncat | valdyn: yes, I didn't want to conflict with .local |
| 21:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | localhost.localdomain |
| 21:16.14 | deadcat | SparFux: then i dont know |
| 21:16.30 | SparFux | Perhaps the demo page helps... |
| 21:16.32 | jhutchins_wk | jimcooncat.lan is good. |
| 21:17.07 | cmanns | Does etch not have a package for wine? |
| 21:17.10 | jimcooncat | I name my computers after instruments, so tomtom.lan, conga.lan, bongo.lan will be my file servers |
| 21:17.20 | cmanns | All I see is xwine and wine-doc |
| 21:17.39 | nido | my computers are named after the animals of farthing wood |
| 21:17.41 | valdyn | !info wine etch |
| 21:17.51 | SparFux | two sided printing, but no ip :-\ |
| 21:17.57 | nido | fox, vixen, badger, whitestag, whistler, toad |
| 21:18.06 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 5728 kB |
| 21:18.17 | valdyn | cmanns: ^^^ |
| 21:18.24 | cmanns | o |
| 21:18.29 | valdyn | cmanns: you are talking about a specific debian architecture |
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| 21:20.10 | jimcooncat | thin/thick clients are keyboards, virtualized windows sessions are strings, routers are brass, file servers are percussion, etc. |
| 21:21.06 | nido | cool |
| 21:21.27 | nido | is there a ppc-specific debian channel? |
| 21:21.33 | koan | #debianppc |
| 21:21.34 | stew | nido: #debianppc |
| 21:21.48 | nido | thanks |
| 21:22.13 | nido | I'm gonna lurk around there for a while; tomorrow I'm gonna try to get it working |
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| 21:22.47 | SparFux | Ah! It had some severe ping latencies. The printer is on a configured dhcp address. |
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| 21:24.55 | SparFux | Guys, that's nice. I found the MAC address in the http config tool in network information :-) |
| 21:25.43 | Loeken | Im having trouble installing the new nvidia driver, it says my gcc version dosent match the compiler, I have 4,3 and it has 4,1. then I unstall 4.3 and install 4.1 - then it gives me an error saying I need to install gcc! |
| 21:26.14 | valdyn | Loeken: CC=gcc-4.1 nvidia-installer.sh |
| 21:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have just changed CC to gcc-4.1 instead of uninstalling |
| 21:26.19 | valdyn | Loeken: maybe |
| 21:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's weird that it shouldn't find 4.1 |
| 21:26.51 | valdyn | Loeken: the gcc symlink to a compiler is only provided by the gcc package, only for gcc-4.3 |
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| 21:27.35 | Loeken | It worked! Thanks valdyn and CutMeOwnThroat !!! |
| 21:27.56 | Loeken | just to learn, what does "CC=" mean? |
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| 21:28.20 | epoch | where are the users startup scripts stored at |
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| 21:30.27 | epoch | does anyone know where are the users startup scripts stored at ?? |
| 21:30.51 | epoch | similar to /etc/rc.d/rc.local on slackware but not for the whole box |
| 21:30.55 | epoch | just the user |
| 21:31.24 | \amethyst | epoch: depends on how the user logs in, but there is the script ~/.profile for one |
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| 21:31.36 | epoch | is that writable by the user? |
| 21:31.41 | epoch | chowned by the user anyway |
| 21:31.42 | \amethyst | typically, yes |
| 21:31.44 | epoch | ok |
| 21:31.59 | phz | Loeken: CC="C Compiler" I guess |
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| 21:34.31 | grendal_prime | I need some boxes that will do auto apt-get updates |
| 21:35.23 | grendal_prime | i know there is a package for it..i could just do it with cron, but...well i though i would look to see if there is a package already that does that. |
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| 21:35.23 | stew | guillermo: cron-apt |
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| 21:35.30 | JPT | hehe...wrong highlight |
| 21:35.40 | stew | grendal_prime: cron-apt |
| 21:35.43 | JPT | :) |
| 21:35.46 | phz | Loeken: Usually the NVIDIA installer will use the program "cc" to do the compiling. That is /usr/bin/cc which is linked to the latest version of GCC on your system probably (4 levels of linking or something). When you specify "CC=" then you override that setting and make the NVIDIA installer use the specified binary instead. |
| 21:35.50 | stew | guillermo: welcome. i didn't mean that for you :) |
| 21:36.26 | Loeken | ok, thanks phz |
| 21:38.28 | cmanns | ah ok i got wine |
| 21:38.34 | cmanns | anyway to make it not use X? |
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| 21:53.47 | marc_ | Hi, anyone know why everytime i try to install debian 4.0r4a it cannot detect my cd-rom drive even if i set it to legacy mode ? I have an sata motherboard but the cdrom is on the ide port. |
| 21:54.25 | stew | marc_: have you tried the 2.6.24 kernel? (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) |
| 21:54.31 | mythomaniac | everyone in this chat room please cast your vote for this: http://www.debianart.org/contest/lenny-slogan.html |
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| 21:54.47 | marc_ | hum isnt that the default on 4.0r4 ? |
| 21:54.59 | stew | marc_: no, the default is 2.6.18 |
| 21:55.08 | flami | Hi, does anyone know if it is possible to force a certain order of nameservers with networkmanager ( 1st use e.g. 1.2.3.4 and then 5.6.7.8) in the resolv.conf? |
| 21:55.17 | stew | mythomaniac: please don't |
| 21:55.18 | marc_ | and how can i sepecify which kernel to use ? |
| 21:55.23 | stew | marc_: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 21:55.25 | mythomaniac | stew: ok, sorry |
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| 21:55.42 | marc_ | ok its only on the etch and a half version? |
| 21:55.56 | marc_ | i tried it too but withotu success |
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| 21:57.21 | stew | marc_: yes, the 2.6.24 kernel is only on the etch and a half version |
| 21:57.48 | marc_ | well i already tried to install the etch and half version but i had the same problem |
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| 22:02.35 | leytonsimmonds | hello |
| 22:02.48 | marc_ | hi |
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| 22:03.38 | leytonsimmonds | do you know a ubuntu 64bit will work on a macbook..? |
| 22:03.45 | stew | leytonsimmonds: ask #ubuntu |
| 22:04.05 | leytonsimmonds | ok thanks :) |
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| 22:07.25 | pickcoder | the .25 kernel is in bpo |
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| 22:08.00 | Spreadsheet | dont go there |
| 22:08.10 | Spreadsheet | #ubuntu is really busy |
| 22:08.15 | Spreadsheet | :p |
| 22:08.20 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 22:08.49 | Spreadsheet | what? |
| 22:09.09 | nido | /list #ubuntu* |
| 22:09.53 | beware | in the spirit of ubuntu, every click language has its own channel. go and divide up. |
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| 22:10.35 | Spreadsheet | click? |
| 22:11.06 | beware | click (consonant) languages are spoken by some african tribes. i say click language when referring to ubuntu to make fun of it's african theme/origin/marketing/etc |
| 22:11.17 | Spreadsheet | lol |
| 22:11.42 | Spreadsheet | i think many ubuntu people do not adhere to the philosophy :( |
| 22:11.47 | nido | what's with the brown? |
| 22:11.55 | beware | philosophy? |
| 22:11.58 | Spreadsheet | yes... |
| 22:12.01 | beware | the brown is part of the african marketing |
| 22:12.06 | Spreadsheet | dude thats what ubuntu is named after that |
| 22:12.22 | nido | check the movie that's shipped with it |
| 22:12.25 | Spreadsheet | what does africa have to do with browness? |
| 22:12.30 | beware | "linux for human beings" - one thing i dislike of gnome is the hiding of most of the config options from the GUI |
| 22:12.43 | beware | african theming is always brown |
| 22:12.44 | Spreadsheet | i remember it being : "ubuntu's awesome. nothing else is good" |
| 22:12.44 | stew | Spreadsheet: please keep it on-topic. ubuntu is off-topic here |
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| 22:12.53 | Spreadsheet | ok ill stop |
| 22:13.09 | Spreadsheet | well sounds like the channel is slow |
| 22:13.16 | Spreadsheet | when do you think lenny will be coming out |
| 22:13.18 | Splex | i am running ubuntu intrepid, im thinking of trying debian.. |
| 22:13.23 | Spreadsheet | hehe |
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| 22:13.26 | stew | Spreadsheet: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 22:13.28 | Splex | what are the major differences? |
| 22:13.47 | beware | similar enough for comfort |
| 22:14.06 | Splex | i just want to have more cutting edge |
| 22:14.09 | Splex | mostly |
| 22:14.26 | Spreadsheet | do you think its true that unstable in debian is stable? |
| 22:14.28 | Spreadsheet | :p |
| 22:14.32 | stew | Spreadsheet: no |
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| 22:14.45 | beware | if you want more frequent releases you should stay with ubuntu |
| 22:14.53 | Spreadsheet | i hate frequent releases |
| 22:14.58 | Mundus | Would it be called unstable if it was stable? |
| 22:15.01 | Spreadsheet | they're terrible |
| 22:15.07 | amphi | Spreadsheet: then debian is for you ;) |
| 22:15.11 | Spreadsheet | :) |
| 22:15.36 | stew | its called unstable becuase it changes daily, the terms 'stable' and 'unstable' have nothing necessrily to do with 'crashiness' |
| 22:15.47 | Splex | stew: thats how i see it |
| 22:15.50 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 22:15.59 | Splex | just more frequent changes |
| 22:16.06 | beware | unstable means "being changed for purposes other than just bugfixes" |
| 22:16.11 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 22:16.31 | Spreadsheet | what gnome does etch ship with, and lenny |
| 22:16.31 | pickcoder | which can lead to package dependancy problems and bugs |
| 22:16.33 | themill | !moving target |
| 22:16.33 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Config file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. |
| 22:16.51 | stew | Spreadsheet: http://packages.debian.org/gnome-session |
| 22:17.01 | Spreadsheet | k |
| 22:17.23 | pickcoder | testing is only a moving target before it's frozen |
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| 22:18.04 | Mundus | stew: When lenny goes stable, will that days Sid become Squeeze? |
| 22:18.12 | abrotman | no |
| 22:18.15 | Splex | ic, sometimes i find the need to push for the 'latest/unstable' due to lack of hardware supprot |
| 22:18.16 | Kovensky | Mundus: sid will always be sid |
| 22:18.17 | themill | pickcoder: new versions of packages are still allowed in atm if they "look safe" and fix bugs. |
| 22:18.18 | Splex | support* |
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| 22:18.22 | abrotman | sid is always unstable .. testing will become squeeze |
| 22:18.23 | Splex | etc |
| 22:18.25 | Kovensky | squeeze will be branched from it, but sid will stay sid |
| 22:18.34 | abrotman | no .. it's not branched either |
| 22:18.38 | Mundus | abrotman: I know, I was thinking about the packages |
| 22:18.42 | Kovensky | abrotman: hmm |
| 22:18.52 | stew | Mundus: no, sid is always unstable. when lenny becuase stable, it is first duplicated and named squeeze, lenny stops getting updates, squeeze starts getting packages migrated from sid |
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| 22:19.09 | abrotman | Mundus: some time after lenny is released and people are done partying .. they will unfreeze testing and packages will begin to flow again into testing/squeeze |
| 22:19.10 | pickcoder | themill: I thought that frozen state meant the package versions couldn't change to help lower the RC bug count |
| 22:19.16 | Glert | how can i make it so "pon" is executed on bootup, so i have internet? |
| 22:19.27 | abrotman | !tell Glert about run at startup |
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| 22:19.31 | themill | pickcoder: freeze exceptions happen. |
| 22:19.37 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:19.48 | themill | pickcoder: as long as they aren't disruptive to other packages |
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| 22:19.51 | pickcoder | just not to the packages I want |
| 22:19.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:19.54 | stew | pickcoder: it just means that packages aren't migrated automatically, they must be hinted in manually by a release manager. and that is generally only done to lower the RC bug count |
| 22:20.00 | Splex | i am trying to build the 2.6.27 kernel with kpkg, anyone else having troubles with it? |
| 22:20.40 | abrotman | Splex: what's wron gwith the debian kernel? |
| 22:21.18 | Splex | abrotman: i am trying to compile anholt's drm-intel-next git branch |
| 22:21.28 | Spreadsheet | is there a debian hcl? |
| 22:21.36 | abrotman | !tell Spreadsheet about hcl |
| 22:21.53 | wols | Spreadsheet: forget it mostly. if linux supports it, so does debian basically |
| 22:21.56 | wols | as with any distro |
| 22:22.18 | wols | the hcl is very incomplete, uselessly so as with all of them imho |
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| 22:23.30 | perlsyntax | Has anyone try install debian with the debian -installer over the internet? |
| 22:23.45 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 22:23.54 | euzao | abrotman, there is no NVIDIA driver for etchnhalf kernel |
| 22:23.54 | abrotman | perlsyntax: you mean with http sources? |
| 22:23.55 | pickcoder | stew: but no new packages will be accepted |
| 22:23.56 | euzao | =/ |
| 22:24.02 | perlsyntax | yes |
| 22:24.11 | abrotman | euzao: i didn't tell you about that .. and i don't really care .. buy a card from a company that cares about its users |
| 22:24.12 | wols | euzao: I told you there is a kernel source for it |
| 22:24.26 | wols | !tell euzao about nvidia |
| 22:24.29 | perlsyntax | i download the netinst iso for debian. |
| 22:24.31 | wols | euzao: I told you before to follow that |
| 22:24.37 | abrotman | wols: FWIW .. chealer rewrote a bunch of those |
| 22:24.41 | stew | pickcoder: its up to th release managers. for the most part, no unless there is an extremely good reason. one exception i've noticed this time is that recently nvidia-kernel went in |
| 22:24.55 | wols | abrotman: rewrote what? |
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| 22:25.02 | euzao | abrotman, I meant made by Debian, not by NVIDIA |
| 22:25.04 | themill | wols: nvidia* |
| 22:25.06 | abrotman | wols: a bunch of the nvidia factoids |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | euzao: still don't care :) |
| 22:25.29 | perlsyntax | aborotman, is that the right io i need to download? |
| 22:25.30 | wols | euzao: stop your incorrect whining and read the factoiud dpkg sent you ffs! |
| 22:25.32 | stew | pickcoder: if you are curious, the files that are controlling all of this are here: http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/ |
| 22:25.37 | abrotman | perlsyntax: i've used the netinst .. works fine |
| 22:25.45 | wols | abrotman: there is only one of them and a wiki article now |
| 22:26.01 | abrotman | wols: i meant the related ones |
| 22:26.04 | perlsyntax | abrotman, i try out the new debain-installer i hope it work |
| 22:26.12 | abrotman | perlsyntax: get a daily .. not beta2 |
| 22:26.13 | euzao | wols, nvidia pre-built is not there |
| 22:26.19 | dustybin | checks to see how many bugs are left in lenny |
| 22:26.34 | themill | dustybin: too many. Go fix some! :P |
| 22:26.35 | perlsyntax | where can i get that? |
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| 22:26.45 | wols | euzao: you want to run testing, you can compile your own from debian sources. if you can't, you are not fit for testing or getting nvidia drivers |
| 22:26.52 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 193 |
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| 22:26.55 | euzao | I'm not using testing, man |
| 22:26.55 | dustybin | not too bad |
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| 22:26.56 | abrotman | perlsyntax: where did you get the other one ? |
| 22:27.00 | euzao | I'm using Etch |
| 22:27.38 | wols | euzao: there are howtos. I linked you to one. if you can't do this. buy a supported videocard. |
| 22:27.39 | pickcoder | euzao: will .25 solve your problems? |
| 22:27.44 | wols | pickcoder: no |
| 22:27.47 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:27.53 | euzao | wols, it is supported!! aaa |
| 22:27.57 | euzao | wols, forget it |
| 22:28.04 | ghee | hi guys, anyone use scim? i'm having trouble getting it to launch in sid... |
| 22:28.11 | wols | euzao: it is not and never was. it never was in debian. it was non-free = not in debian |
| 22:28.23 | dustybin | if people put as much effort into fixing bugs as they do IRC, lenny would be released tomorrow :P |
| 22:28.30 | perlsyntax | i doing the beta debian-installer |
| 22:28.36 | abrotman | dustybin: so go fix bugs and quit complaining |
| 22:28.50 | wols | abrotman: wouldn't it be sweet? |
| 22:28.50 | dustybin | i wasnt complaining |
| 22:28.58 | dustybin | gets out toolkit |
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| 22:29.11 | stew | they are becoming pretty hard to pick off |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | just close them and release! |
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| 22:30.41 | dustybin | to hell with it, just release lenny with all the remaining bugs and rename debian to debuntu |
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| 22:31.46 | euzao | wols, getting it at that view |
| 22:32.00 | mnvl__ | does anyone else expreience iceweasel 3.0 crashing 5 to 10 min after startup, every time? |
| 22:32.22 | Lagbolt | mnvl__, do you have any extensions? |
| 22:32.26 | stew | mnvl__: its probably due to some extension or plugin you have loaded |
| 22:32.51 | themill | My lenny release plan: for i in $(rc-alert --stuff); do echo -e "close $i\nthanks\n\n" | mail control@bugs.debian.org; done |
| 22:33.22 | mnvl__ | okay, thx Lagbolt, stew, will try disabling them |
| 22:33.28 | themill | (E&OE.) |
| 22:33.39 | Lagbolt | themill, my sollution . . . i run lenny now :) |
| 22:34.26 | Mundus | I'm running lenny now, and I'm going to run squeeze when they release it |
| 22:34.40 | stew | themill: close is deprecated. use bug#-done |
| 22:34.47 | themill | stew: :) |
| 22:35.05 | Lagbolt | Mundus, squeeze eh? |
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| 22:35.17 | themill | stew: they could all go in the one email too, but that would be easier to undo and delay lenny! |
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| 22:36.12 | Lagbolt | i say let them fix the bugs. debian stable is called stable for a reason. if you dont like it use backports and testing. |
| 22:36.21 | Spreadsheet_ | ok im back |
| 22:36.31 | euzao | Laeborg, backports are useful, don't say that |
| 22:36.37 | Spreadsheet_ | you only need the first cd to actually install debian, right? |
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| 22:36.45 | Spreadsheet_ | itll give you the stuff other distros give you? |
| 22:36.47 | euzao | Spreadsheet_, or the net install |
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| 22:37.00 | pickcoder | the netinstall is smaller |
| 22:37.06 | euzao | Spreadsheet_, I'd prefer net install, because you just get what you want |
| 22:37.08 | Spreadsheet_ | sounds harder |
| 22:37.14 | Spreadsheet_ | ehh |
| 22:37.17 | euzao | Spreadsheet_, piece of cake |
| 22:37.22 | Spreadsheet_ | hmm |
| 22:37.24 | pickcoder | or the business card image for circumference-challenged drives |
| 22:37.29 | Spreadsheet_ | .. |
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| 22:37.34 | Spreadsheet_ | my machine's good |
| 22:37.37 | euzao | just don't expect something idiot as Ubuntu installer, that doesn't give option to its users |
| 22:37.37 | Spreadsheet_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.51 | Spreadsheet_ | so you can choose packages? |
| 22:37.54 | Spreadsheet_ | stuff like that? |
| 22:38.06 | Spreadsheet_ | what does netinstall do |
| 22:38.14 | euzao | install using net |
| 22:38.15 | euzao | internet |
| 22:38.29 | euzao | there is a graphical installer |
| 22:38.37 | Spreadsheet_ | so i get that, run the cd, and i install the rest of the stuff from the internet? |
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| 22:38.59 | euzao | yes, it download from internet and install all for you |
| 22:39.05 | Spreadsheet_ | ic |
| 22:39.09 | euzao | you just choose the options as you want, and leave it |
| 22:39.11 | Spreadsheet_ | well im just going to get one cd |
| 22:39.14 | Spreadsheet_ | is that good or bad? |
| 22:39.18 | themill | Spreadsheet_: the installers are all the same, the only difference is when stuff is downloaded -- before you install and burn it to CD or during the install. |
| 22:39.20 | Spreadsheet_ | or the worst thing ever |
| 22:39.22 | euzao | I'd recommend net install |
| 22:39.38 | euzao | because, even you download the first cd, there will be stuff that is no there |
| 22:39.47 | Spreadsheet_ | so it installs stuff when i install it? |
| 22:39.49 | euzao | that will have to download from internet |
| 22:39.49 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, get what ever you want. net install is smaller but you can install same stuff with net/cd/dvd if you have internet |
| 22:39.50 | Spreadsheet_ | ic |
| 22:40.06 | Lagbolt | you get to pick and choose what they install. cd and dvd are nice if you want what is on them and dont have fast internet |
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| 22:40.33 | Spreadsheet_ | i have fast internet |
| 22:40.43 | Spreadsheet_ | so on the net install you can choose everything you want? |
| 22:40.55 | pickcoder | Spreadsheet_: if you want a bloated system, sure |
| 22:41.03 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, what do you want? |
| 22:41.09 | euzao | install the Desktop option |
| 22:41.09 | pickcoder | I like to install the standard system and them pick/choose applications afterwards |
| 22:41.13 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, it has basic things you need and desktop option |
| 22:41.17 | Spreadsheet_ | k |
| 22:41.18 | euzao | and then, after install, choose the rest |
| 22:41.21 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 22:41.23 | Spreadsheet_ | sounds good |
| 22:41.24 | Spreadsheet_ | :) |
| 22:41.28 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, gnome by default but you can pass an option to get kde if you so desire |
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| 22:41.39 | pickcoder | Gnome is the standard desktop unless it's changed |
| 22:41.40 | Spreadsheet_ | what about xfce |
| 22:41.54 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:41.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Spreadsheet_ about install xfce |
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| 22:42.44 | Lagbolt | sweet you can do xfce |
| 22:42.45 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 22:42.46 | Spreadsheet_ | that doesnt say how to do it on the net cd |
| 22:42.50 | Spreadsheet_ | Lagbolt: what? |
| 22:42.55 | dasunt | I have a file server with multiple nics that I want to use for a main file server. |
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| 22:42.58 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, did you not get a message from dpkg? |
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| 22:43.10 | Spreadsheet_ | i did but it doesnt say howto on netinstall |
| 22:43.15 | dasunt | Is there a way to load balance (same IP) between the multiple nics? |
| 22:43.24 | Lagbolt | when you boot netcd at the boot prompt type "install tasks=xfce-desktop" |
| 22:43.53 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 22:44.05 | Lagbolt | oops i got quotes wrong --- install tasks="xfce-desktop" |
| 22:44.09 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 22:44.38 | et | grr |
| 22:44.51 | Spreadsheet_ | umm dpkg says tasks=xfce-desktop |
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| 22:44.53 | et | who deleted the nvidia-post-etch stuff |
| 22:45.03 | Lagbolt | Spreadsheet_, do what dpkg tells you :) |
| 22:45.09 | themill | !blame chealer |
| 22:45.09 | dpkg | blames gasbag and chealer for all the evil in the world |
| 22:45.15 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 22:46.15 | et | well, guess i have to use the installer again then ... |
| 22:46.27 | themill | et: why? |
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| 22:47.34 | abrotman | et: did you check the wiki ? |
| 22:47.35 | et | because .26 damages hardware, m-a a-i nvidia is failing on .27 and i forgot the details to hack around that process |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | damages hardware? |
| 22:47.51 | abrotman | perhaps you should file a bug on that? |
| 22:47.57 | et | it's well-known |
| 22:47.58 | Lagbolt | et, there is a patch for .27 |
| 22:48.17 | themill | et: well known enough that lenny will release with 2.6.26 |
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| 22:49.20 | maligor | the intel network device one? |
| 22:49.25 | Lagbolt | et, what hardware problems? i had 26 running on this and anothe rmachine for a while with no trouble |
| 22:50.38 | et | maligor: yes |
| 22:50.56 | et | Lagbolt: there are not guaranteed to be problems, but i won't risk breaking my hardware ;) |
| 22:50.57 | themill | et: and that's related to nvidia how? |
| 22:50.59 | maligor | doesn't really affect most people |
| 22:51.08 | maligor | I think it's intel server hardware? |
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| 22:51.51 | amphi | maligor: it's in some thinkpads, including mine, I believe ;) |
| 22:52.08 | pickcoder | nice.. I just built a primary server with an Intel 5400 based server board |
| 22:52.08 | et | maligor: the ich8 and ich9 chipsets are pretty common, i think |
| 22:52.10 | maligor | oh.. some weird card anyway :P |
| 22:52.21 | maligor | mm? |
| 22:52.48 | et | themill: it forces me to upgrade the kernel, which results in mentioned breakage |
| 22:52.54 | et | Lagbolt: where is that patch? |
| 22:53.12 | maligor | I thought it was the e1000e gigabit card that you meant |
| 22:53.33 | themill | et: and because you're unable to /msg dpkg nvidia, you now need to use their installer instead. |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | !pal et |
| 22:53.46 | dpkg | points at et and laughs uproariously |
| 22:54.05 | _Sam-- | this may sound like a stupid question....but our business has grown and thrived using debian servers. we haven't contributed our share to the open source community. aside from monetary donations, how else could a business help the debian community? or, money is the only way? |
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| 22:54.12 | Lagbolt | et, i seem to have deleted it. i just googled around for it using the errors. |
| 22:54.23 | maligor | and e1000e isn't all that common afaik |
| 22:54.34 | gasbag | issues a belated 'hey, i didnt do it!' |
| 22:54.36 | maligor | but if you have one, don't use it :P |
| 22:54.38 | Lagbolt | et, http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/6ef1f8c9ade6422b/e3f7a0ceb82b74e1?lnk=raot |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | _Sam--: hardware/bandwidth/money .. |
| 22:54.45 | themill | gasbag: :) |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | !donations |
| 22:54.46 | dpkg | If you like Debian are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations. |
| 22:54.55 | et | themill: i already told you that the method dpkg tells me breaks |
| 22:54.59 | _Sam-- | thank you. |
| 22:55.09 | wols | et: with what kernel? |
| 22:55.15 | et | wols: .27 |
| 22:55.16 | themill | et: no, you just complained that nvidia_post_etch had been deleted. |
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| 22:55.42 | et | "m-a a-i nvidia is failing" |
| 22:55.47 | et | 8 minutes ago |
| 22:55.47 | wols | et: and using which nvidia driver version? |
| 22:55.59 | themill | et: because that's a useful error message for us. |
| 22:56.18 | et | themill: i never said it was |
| 22:56.34 | Lagbolt | et, maybe this page. thre is a link. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=117209&page=2 |
| 22:56.42 | et | themill: but it's what you get when you do what you suggest - "/msg dpkg nvidia" |
| 22:56.58 | Lagbolt | et, but i just read thru and then looked at the errors and made the changes myself. works perfectly for me |
| 22:57.50 | et | Lagbolt: thanks, will have a look at it |
| 22:58.18 | _Sam-- | abrotman : who decides how to spend donations that are made to debian? |
| 22:58.23 | _Sam-- | (monetary donations) |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | the people in charge! |
| 22:58.31 | _Sam-- | i guess that was obvious...sorry. |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | _Sam--: i would imagine the SPI treasurer pays out appropriately .. |
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| 23:01.18 | _Sam-- | yes, i get that part...i was just curious when the debian project receives the money from SPI...who then delegates how it gets spent. |
| 23:01.22 | _Sam-- | no matter. |
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| 23:01.32 | themill | et: this is what "nvidia_post_etch" used to say: ('nvidia_post_etch','DimmuR!n=DimmuR@87-205-180-29.adsl.inetia.pl',1221300661,711,'bzed!n=bzed@dslb-084-059-127-023.pools.arcor-ip.net',1177188712,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,'update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg').... note that it does the same as |
| 23:01.34 | themill | what the current dpkg factoid says and that you should think first and complain second. |
| 23:01.49 | jim_home | whats the default cron daemon configuration? |
| 23:01.56 | angelblade | i have a question , the option 'root' on menu.lst is the path to root partition ("/") or the partition with "/boot" |
| 23:02.09 | themill | angelblade: / |
| 23:02.17 | wols | angelblade: kernel parameter? / |
| 23:02.24 | angelblade | yeah |
| 23:02.44 | _Sam-- | jim_home: /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.conffiles |
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| 23:03.15 | Spreadsheet_ | ok this is being weird |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | jim_home: that's kind of vague |
| 23:03.53 | Spreadsheet_ | i try to use the torrent but it doesnt work in utorrent |
| 23:03.57 | _Sam-- | as far as i know, there is no configuratio for cron. just cron job / crontab files. |
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| 23:04.03 | Spreadsheet_ | however in opera it works, but it doesnt upload anything |
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| 23:04.06 | Spreadsheet_ | wait nvm |
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| 23:06.35 | fosstux | Hi! I'm trying to install VTiger on a debian etch server. It requires jpeg-6b, libpng-1.2.5, zlib-1.2.1, xlibs-dev and xlibs. But I cannot find those packages. What can I do? |
| 23:07.04 | wols | fosstux: they are all in debian |
| 23:07.09 | wols | most of them probably installed |
| 23:07.22 | wols | fosstux: exact outout of your apt-get command in a pastebin please |
| 23:07.33 | fosstux | one moment |
| 23:07.46 | wols | fosstux: and apt-cache show VTiger too |
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| 23:08.11 | abrotman | fosstux: paste the actual errors |
| 23:08.32 | themill | Exact versions of libpng might be harder. |
| 23:08.37 | fosstux | abrotman: not here... |
| 23:08.52 | themill | !pastebin |
| 23:08.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:08.55 | wols | themill: probably a shitty 3rd party package |
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| 23:09.49 | fosstux | I run apt-get install jpeg-6b libpng zlib xlibs xlibs-dev and all I get is Konnte Paket jpeg-6b nicht finden |
| 23:10.08 | themill | fosstux: they have slightly different names in debian /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:10.12 | b-04 | hi :) |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | fosstux: the real error would be way more helpful |
| 23:10.51 | fosstux | of vtiger? |
| 23:10.57 | wols | fosstux: yes of vtiger |
| 23:11.02 | wols | pastebin it already! |
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| 23:11.24 | wols | and I gave you a 2nd command output to show us too. both of them in the pastebin |
| 23:11.51 | b-04 | i have a problem installing e17 in debian etchy |
| 23:12.06 | fosstux | http://pastebin.com/d2fe2b670 |
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| 23:12.22 | fosstux | I'm using the binary installer for vtiger 5.0.4 |
| 23:12.22 | bolt | how can I see what drives /dev/md0 consist of? |
| 23:12.28 | bolt | and /dev/mapper/vg1? |
| 23:12.55 | koollman | bolt: mdadm -Q --detail /dev/md0 |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | fosstux: whatever installer you're using is about 5 years out of date |
| 23:13.20 | koollman | and probably vgdisplay for vg1 |
| 23:13.29 | fosstux | what? I got this from the vtiger website! |
| 23:13.34 | fosstux | today!!! |
| 23:13.40 | _Sam-- | a shorter more concise way is mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 23:13.48 | bolt | koollman: thanks :) |
| 23:14.00 | b-04 | y can past my error plz ? :) |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | fosstux: that's nice .. they're trying to use sarge packages .. |
| 23:14.08 | b-04 | Running autoconf... |
| 23:14.08 | b-04 | configure.in:19: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL |
| 23:14.08 | b-04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.08 | b-04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.08 | b-04 | configure.in:22: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL |
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| 23:14.22 | themill | dpkg: tell b-04 about paste |
| 23:14.23 | b-04 | sorry |
| 23:14.35 | fosstux | look here: http://vtiger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=57 I took the bin installer |
| 23:14.48 | fosstux | is this for the bin??? ;-) |
| 23:14.52 | wols | fosstux: it doesn't matter. the requiremernts are OLD. very old. |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | fosstux: and i'm telling you that it's out of date |
| 23:15.03 | wols | fosstux: ask vriger poeple. not us |
| 23:15.09 | fosstux | sorry! |
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| 23:15.29 | abrotman | i bet he was an ubuntu user too! |
| 23:15.36 | themill | fosstux: old as in not supported by debian for more than 6 months and released by debian over 3 years ago |
| 23:15.37 | b-04 | thanks themill :) |
| 23:18.03 | _Sam-- | poor guy could have searched google and found the answer. http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-install-vtiger-on-debian-sarge |
| 23:18.43 | themill | _Sam--: except, of course, that he was trying to install it on etch not sarge |
| 23:18.44 | wols | abrotman: liar. sarge is only 3 years old! :P |
| 23:19.18 | abrotman | wols: it was a rough guess :) |
| 23:20.06 | themill | Some would say that the sarge release cycle was such that sarge is now about 4 years old. 5 might be pushing it though. |
| 23:22.16 | wols | was ot wppdy which had the eternal freeze? |
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| 23:22.21 | wols | *woody |
| 23:22.28 | bolt | koollman: do you happen to know where the information is stored on the harddrive as well? I would like to change it to use two other drives |
| 23:22.52 | themill | wols: that was sarge, wasn't it? |
| 23:23.13 | themill | wols: well, they always seem long |
| 23:23.15 | wols | themill: the past is hazy.... |
| 23:23.20 | wols | they always are |
| 23:23.27 | koollman | bolt: you manipulate it with mdadm and/or various lvm tools |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | wols: it was sarge .. i think |
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| 23:31.57 | perlsyntax | How do i install gnome on debian 4.0? |
| 23:32.04 | perlsyntax | from the internet? |
| 23:32.22 | perlsyntax | anyone? |
| 23:32.23 | dondelelcaro | perlsyntax: aptitude install gnome; after setting up your sources.list |
| 23:32.50 | _Sam-- | perlsyntax : howto: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/gui.htm |
| 23:33.57 | bolt | can I somehow create a new raid 1 device from two same size drives without losing the data on the first one? like, mirror one to the other and start using raid? |
| 23:34.05 | _Sam-- | bolt: of course. |
| 23:34.10 | bolt | how? |
| 23:34.13 | Doctor_Nick | i forget |
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| 23:34.17 | Doctor_Nick | but you can do it |
| 23:34.19 | _Sam-- | create the array first with only the good drive, and the 2nd drive missing. |
| 23:34.21 | Doctor_Nick | hope this helps |
| 23:34.30 | _Sam-- | then, bring the 2nd drive into the array, like raidhotadd. |
| 23:34.44 | bolt | ah |
| 23:34.47 | _Sam-- | then the 2nd drive will become mirrored to the first, if that is how you set up the raid. |
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| 23:42.21 | Loeken | Good night everybody...see you tomorrow :) |
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| 23:44.25 | perlsyntax | i lost |
| 23:45.11 | Spreadsheet_ | the game |
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| 23:45.23 | perlsyntax | is there a gui for debian? |
| 23:45.39 | Spreadsheet_ | perlsyntax: ? |
| 23:45.40 | denysonique | Hi can anyone recommend me a nice ispconfig setup tutorial for debian etch? |
| 23:45.41 | Spreadsheet_ | of course |
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| 23:45.59 | Spreadsheet_ | its called "GNOME" or "KDE" |
| 23:46.11 | abrotman | perlsyntax: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 23:46.17 | abrotman | Spreadsheet_: there are way more than two |
| 23:46.22 | Spreadsheet_ | i know |
| 23:46.28 | Spreadsheet_ | just the most popular |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | depends which group you ask |
| 23:46.48 | denysonique | I like both. |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | denysonique: ispconfig for what? to run the isp or to connect to it? |
| 23:47.33 | Spreadsheet_ | how does one know about perl but not know debian hasa gui...? |
| 23:48.09 | perlsyntax | ok |
| 23:48.10 | denysonique | abrotman: to set this up http://www.ispconfig.com/ |
| 23:48.24 | abrotman | i know nothing about that thing |
| 23:49.01 | perlsyntax | don't ask for a y or n to install it |
| 23:49.13 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 23:49.46 | perlsyntax | it didn't do anything |
| 23:50.08 | Macarse | hi |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | did you /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 23:50.29 | perlsyntax | nope i don't think so |
| 23:51.30 | perlsyntax | i try that |
| 23:51.55 | perlsyntax | this odd |
| 23:52.26 | perlsyntax | i must be doing something wroung |
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| 23:52.40 | abrotman | perlsyntax: why do you say that? |
| 23:52.51 | perlsyntax | it will not restart |
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| 23:53.05 | denysonique | perlsyntax: what error you get? |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | perlsyntax: dpkg -l gdm .. what version is installed ? |
| 23:53.33 | perlsyntax | no package found |
| 23:53.42 | perlsyntax | i do this wireless |
| 23:53.43 | denysonique | lol |
| 23:53.58 | perlsyntax | i download the internet iso |
| 23:54.02 | denysonique | perlsyntax: did you install any wm? |
| 23:54.13 | denysonique | perlsyntax: are you in shell now? |
| 23:54.22 | perlsyntax | what you mean by wm? |
| 23:54.25 | perlsyntax | i am in root |
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| 23:54.42 | adb | !wm |
| 23:54.43 | dpkg | i heard window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 23:54.54 | adb | perlsyntax: ^^^ |
| 23:54.59 | perlsyntax | ? |
| 23:55.13 | denysonique | perlsyntax: do you have any previous linux experience? |
| 23:55.16 | abrotman | perlsyntax: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
| 23:55.29 | denysonique | perlsyntax: type that. |
| 23:56.04 | perlsyntax | i did |
| 23:56.09 | perlsyntax | it will not install |
| 23:56.30 | denysonique | whats the error? |
| 23:56.41 | perlsyntax | o package |
| 23:56.59 | perlsyntax | after under package 0B will be used |
| 23:57.31 | perlsyntax | odd |
| 23:57.50 | perlsyntax | can't find the package for some reason. |
| 23:58.06 | denysonique | wtf |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | perlsyntax: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 23:58.20 | b-04 | i have a problem, im installing e17 with apt. and say this error: |
| 23:58.21 | perlsyntax | what i say |
| 23:58.22 | b-04 | e17: |
| 23:58.23 | b-04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.23 | b-04 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:58.33 | abrotman | b-04: where did you get e17 ? |
| 23:58.36 | b-04 | dependencies error, i cant ignore this? |
| 23:58.41 | Onyx | does anyone know how i can do a conversion of an i386 package to amd64? |
| 23:58.42 | denysonique | e17 in debian lol |
| 23:58.48 | abrotman | why is that funny? |
| 23:58.56 | denysonique | Onyx: you need to compile a new one. |
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| 23:59.01 | b-04 | denysonique, deb http://debian.alphagemini.org/ unstable main |
| 23:59.08 | perlsyntax | i think i going to try the debian -installer |
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| 23:59.16 | abrotman | b-04: those packages are for unstable .. not etch |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | perlsyntax: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 23:59.39 | denysonique | perlsyntax: ubuntu is your debian. |
| 23:59.41 | fisxoj | I have no more room on my / partition, and now nothing that needs temp files will work... what is the best thing for me to do? |
| 23:59.44 | denysonique | hides |
| 23:59.46 | perlsyntax | i on the laptop right now it not online but i useing the dektop right now. |
| 23:59.47 | abrotman | denysonique: stop |
| 23:59.53 | b-04 | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 23:59.57 | abrotman | fisxoj: aptitude clean first |