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| 00:00.47 | sp1 | themill, is there a way to undo all the commands i've done with the vmwar server? |
| 00:01.17 | themill | sp1: the ones from the dpkg factoid? |
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| 00:01.48 | sp1 | those done from /home/Sp1/Desktop/vmware-server-distrib/vmware-install.pl |
| 00:02.29 | themill | sp1: ahh... doesn't it drop a vmware-uninstall.pl somewhere? |
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| 00:02.56 | sp1 | yes, found it... |
| 00:03.24 | themill | expect it to complain that it wasn't fully installed to begin with |
| 00:03.32 | sp1 | i was lucky to avoid that |
| 00:03.37 | simNIX | spl to trace source installed or alike (nat deb) I use paco |
| 00:03.48 | simNIX | (*nat=not) |
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| 00:05.01 | mogaal | hi, somebody has used simple-cdd and debian-cd? i have a problem... with debian-cd (and i have tried downloading the last release from the svn.debian.org... but not work yet) :( |
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| 00:09.41 | Tetracomm | I just installed aPinnacle video capture card, but don't know how to find it, I am using Debian Etch, how do I? |
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| 00:11.05 | htmlol | I just forced an ntfs-3g mount on a drive I disconnected from windows without hitting eject. It said this as I did it: |
| 00:11.08 | htmlol | $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) |
| 00:11.11 | htmlol | WARNING: Forced mount, reset $LogFile. |
| 00:11.15 | htmlol | How would I reset the $LogFile? |
| 00:11.19 | acidslep | o.O |
| 00:11.27 | Kovensky | htmlol: it said it reset it |
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| 00:11.37 | Kovensky | this prevents windows from replaying the journal |
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| 00:11.43 | Kovensky | i.e. prevent file corruption |
| 00:11.47 | htmlol | is that what it meant? oh. wow that makes me look stupid. lol |
| 00:11.57 | htmlol | I thought it was commanding me, lol |
| 00:12.08 | htmlol | I guess I'm just antsy since it's my friends drive. Thanks. |
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| 00:13.55 | sp1 | themill, thank you so much for your help tonight! see you, and take car |
| 00:14.07 | themill | no worries. good luck |
| 00:14.13 | sp1 | :) |
| 00:14.16 | acidslep | yes, take car :P |
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| 00:14.21 | themill | brooom! |
| 00:14.28 | acidslep | :) |
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| 00:22.17 | torrr | hi |
| 00:22.25 | acidslep | yes |
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| 00:22.57 | torrr | I created a raid5 array using mdadm, and tried to dd my hd into it, but then I couldn't mount it |
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| 00:23.15 | torrr | and e2fsck found a zilion problems |
| 00:23.24 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:24.15 | torrr | is dd the right way to copy my old partition into /dev/md0? |
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| 00:25.24 | torrr | also strange is that cfdisk and gparted think md0 is a disk without partitions |
| 00:25.42 | torrr | yet after reformating I can mount md0 |
| 00:25.54 | torrr | as if it is a partition |
| 00:26.10 | _Sam-- | did you make a filesystem on it? |
| 00:26.16 | _Sam-- | oskie: mkfs.something |
| 00:26.20 | _Sam-- | er, damn nick completion. |
| 00:27.01 | torrr | yes |
| 00:27.14 | _Sam-- | so now its mounted again? |
| 00:27.21 | _Sam-- | and you just want to copy the files? |
| 00:27.24 | torrr | I mke2fs -j /dev/md0 |
| 00:27.47 | torrr | yes, the whole partition |
| 00:28.05 | torrr | I want /dev/sdd1 to be copied exactly to /dev/md0 |
| 00:28.25 | torrr | I tried dd, but it didn't work |
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| 00:28.28 | _Sam-- | im sure there may be better ways, but you could use rsync. |
| 00:28.33 | Orbixx | dd if=/dev/sdd1 of=/dev/md0 |
| 00:28.34 | torrr | for some reason |
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| 00:28.56 | torrr | Orbixx, that is what I did + bs=1M |
| 00:29.10 | Orbixx | Hmm. |
| 00:29.20 | Orbixx | Well you could mount them both and recursively copy everything over. |
| 00:29.29 | _Sam-- | or use rsync. |
| 00:29.41 | acidslep | rsync screwed me over recently |
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| 00:29.48 | ecto | For some reason Iceweasel this time around won't install the Flash Plugin from the plugin wizard in the browser...it keeps doing it over and over...any ideas why...this has worked for me in the past no problem... |
| 00:29.48 | Orbixx | Yeah, let's go over the top and use rsync. |
| 00:30.03 | Orbixx | Because that's great for internal IO transfers. |
| 00:30.04 | Orbixx | -_- |
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| 00:30.09 | acidslep | yeah... |
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| 00:30.49 | Orbixx | torrr: Mount then, recursive copy. Go. |
| 00:30.50 | _Sam-- | im sure cp is WAYYY more io efficient than rsycn. |
| 00:30.52 | torrr | I don't know to use rsync, I hope to use something I don't need to read too much inorder to use it |
| 00:30.55 | Orbixx | them* |
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| 00:31.14 | acidslep | yeah not really |
| 00:31.17 | torrr | Orbixx, I think that doesn't copy everything |
| 00:31.22 | acidslep | rsync -av src dest |
| 00:31.26 | acidslep | but dont do it |
| 00:31.26 | Orbixx | torrr: Just try it. |
| 00:31.26 | _Sam-- | it could be...because it has to calculate the files it needs to sync. |
| 00:31.36 | acidslep | rsync will screw you over like it did me |
| 00:31.39 | Orbixx | ... |
| 00:31.44 | Orbixx | Use your head Sam. |
| 00:31.51 | torrr | Orbixx, I have tried it many years ago, and I remember loosing stuff |
| 00:31.57 | acidslep | see |
| 00:32.08 | _Sam-- | im an rsync fan, i rely on it for many mission critical servers. |
| 00:32.09 | Orbixx | torrr: What exactly is the harm in trying? |
| 00:32.09 | acidslep | stick with cp, theres not much reason not to |
| 00:32.29 | _Sam-- | but whatever works for you, is fine by me. |
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| 00:35.27 | torrr | Orbixx, "cp -pr: Will not work because it does not handle devices and links correctly." |
| 00:35.41 | torrr | from: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Cloning |
| 00:36.16 | Tramp | cp -a will handle almost anything I can think of correctly |
| 00:37.29 | torrr | Tramp: does it preserve permissions? |
| 00:38.17 | Tramp | yes |
| 00:38.46 | torrr | hard links? |
| 00:38.52 | Tramp | yes |
| 00:39.40 | Tramp | although it can be hard on memory, with very large structures - but so can rsync with -H. Hard links are always a bitch to preserve. |
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| 00:44.45 | dalias | is there an easy command to download a package and all its dependencies, to put on cd to use as an apt source for another machine without network access? |
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| 00:47.07 | torrr | gparted shows me /dev/md0p1 althought there is not supposed to be such a device |
| 00:47.13 | torrr | or partition |
| 00:47.28 | acidslep | sounds like a waste of cd's dalias |
| 00:47.36 | dondelelcaro | dalias: apt-zip or similar |
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| 00:48.44 | dalias | acidslep, i didnt ask for commentary. |
| 00:49.40 | acidslep | orly |
| 00:49.56 | dalias | go back to 4chan, damn trolls |
| 00:50.06 | acidslep | [19:40] <dalias> commentary plz |
| 00:50.34 | acidslep | weilds his troll club at dalias |
| 00:51.03 | acidslep | :P |
| 00:51.12 | Orbixx | y si debian based on ubuntu but debian is worse?????? |
| 00:51.32 | acidslep | debian based on ubuntu... ? |
| 00:51.33 | acidslep | what? |
| 00:51.35 | aixenv | huh? |
| 00:51.36 | Orbixx | I'm kidding. |
| 00:51.39 | acidslep | oh lolz |
| 00:51.41 | acidslep | damn trolls |
| 00:51.42 | hipdad | reverse |
| 00:51.42 | aixenv | you got it backwards... |
| 00:51.48 | dalias | dondelelcaro, apt-zip sounds similar to what i need, except that the affected computer temporarily has no net access at all and won't til i install some packages on it :( |
| 00:51.48 | hipdad | heh |
| 00:52.40 | aixenv | ubuntu = the more cutting edge/tempermental software.. based off debian, like cent os is based off redhat |
| 00:52.51 | Orbixx | I was kidding. |
| 00:53.50 | acidslep | dalias: why cant you use apt-zip again? |
| 00:54.14 | acidslep | or with more detail, it seems to suit your situation? |
| 00:54.24 | dalias | because it's not installed on the host, and the host cannot even apt-get update |
| 00:54.38 | dalias | i could install it with several steps (and several wasted cds, which you would criticize even more :) |
| 00:55.31 | aixenv | dalias: why not just throw it on a usb key or cd? |
| 00:55.39 | acidslep | heh |
| 00:55.47 | acidslep | dalias: i see now. |
| 00:56.14 | torrr | if I want to rename a device, can I just rename it? |
| 00:56.18 | aixenv | i missed what he's actually trying to accomplish w/o net access though |
| 00:56.24 | acidslep | like rename the blockdevice? |
| 00:56.27 | acidslep | XD |
| 00:56.53 | dalias | aixenv, trying to install up-to-date kernel so the box works :) |
| 00:57.02 | acidslep | but he has no net |
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| 00:57.17 | acidslep | well its borked on that computer, right? |
| 00:57.30 | dalias | the hdd was moved to a new machine without updating the kernel... |
| 00:57.39 | acidslep | lol |
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| 00:57.44 | dalias | so :) |
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| 00:58.02 | dalias | hey it wasn't my idea to disassemble the old hardware before upgrading debian |
| 00:58.07 | torrr | acidslep, like rename /dev/md0 to /dev/md5 |
| 00:58.10 | dalias | but now i'm trying to fix it :) |
| 00:58.20 | aixenv | dalias: so what's broken atm? |
| 00:58.39 | dalias | well with the kernel on the hdd, the box won't boot at all (no driver for the ide controller) |
| 00:58.40 | acidslep | dalias: apt-get -d? |
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| 00:59.04 | dalias | booting from cd (with new kernel on it) works, but then the hdd lacks modules that match the running kernel version |
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| 00:59.18 | dalias | so only the stuff loaded at initrd stage works |
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| 01:00.19 | dalias | anyway maybe it's easiest just to cp -a the modules without a package, then install the new packages over top once the box actually has network access |
| 01:00.21 | aixenv | is this some production box? |
| 01:00.47 | dalias | not a server or anything. a desktop box. |
| 01:00.55 | aixenv | does it have anything of value? |
| 01:01.09 | aixenv | from what you've said this box is gonna be hosed one way or another |
| 01:01.16 | acidslep | dalias: apt-get -d + apt-ftparchive |
| 01:01.18 | dalias | no, simple apt-get upgrade will fix it all |
| 01:01.20 | acidslep | seems like that would work? |
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| 01:01.45 | dalias | even just apt-get install for latest kernel and xorg will fix it fine |
| 01:02.14 | dalias | and yes it has much of value, but mostly on /home |
| 01:02.27 | acidslep | no i mean... for getting what you want |
| 01:02.32 | dalias | so reinstall would be possible but it's much more of a pain |
| 01:02.45 | acidslep | you download the packages |
| 01:02.49 | acidslep | make an index file |
| 01:02.57 | acidslep | oh right... how do you know what packages |
| 01:03.00 | dalias | right |
| 01:03.08 | acidslep | ugh |
| 01:03.08 | dalias | i want a way to recursively get a list of package dependencies |
| 01:03.14 | dalias | and download them all |
| 01:03.21 | dalias | even if it's a lot more than what's strictly needed |
| 01:03.49 | acidslep | well consider that packages will depend on packages but you wont know the dependencies till you download the package.. |
| 01:03.50 | acidslep | right? |
| 01:03.52 | dalias | it shouldn't be much larger than a netinst disc anyway |
| 01:04.15 | dalias | all the dependencies are in the package db, even for not-yet-installed packages |
| 01:04.26 | dalias | otherwise apt-get, aptitude, etc would not work very well |
| 01:04.39 | acidslep | but you dont have those... |
| 01:04.41 | acidslep | like >< |
| 01:04.47 | dalias | i have them on other debian systems |
| 01:04.51 | dalias | so i could make the list there |
| 01:04.56 | acidslep | you dont have the updated versions of the repo index |
| 01:05.03 | acidslep | right? |
| 01:05.12 | acidslep | oh well thats not that big of a problem anyways |
| 01:05.14 | dalias | i have my own debian box right here with up-to-date package list |
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| 01:07.05 | acidslep | >< |
| 01:07.10 | acidslep | i may not understand that aspect |
| 01:07.16 | acidslep | and i dont expect you to explain it to me |
| 01:08.07 | acidslep | maybe you could use the output of apt-get --print-uris whatever |
| 01:08.10 | acidslep | ? |
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| 01:08.57 | dalias | acidslep, ah that might be an idea |
| 01:09.19 | dalias | i think first i'm gonna try just cp -a'ing the /lib/modules/$VERSION dir via cd |
| 01:09.25 | acidslep | hehe ok |
| 01:09.30 | acidslep | dont waste too many :P |
| 01:09.35 | dalias | hehe thanks |
| 01:09.46 | dalias | but at least they're cheap |
| 01:09.49 | hatter | i just tried to copy a file from a smbfs mounted windows computer, and it said 'file size limit exceeded' using cp -a , where is this limitation being imposed ? |
| 01:09.59 | acidslep | 4gig |
| 01:10.02 | acidslep | prolly? |
| 01:10.22 | acidslep | dalias: that they are, ive got a giant stack right here and i wouldent cry over a few |
| 01:10.55 | acidslep | wait hatter, copy _from_ the windows mount? |
| 01:11.07 | hatter | acidslep, i mean, copy to the windows mount |
| 01:11.23 | acidslep | kk, its probably 4 gig iirc |
| 01:11.33 | dalias | i have an even more giant stack of dvds |
| 01:11.42 | acidslep | hehe dual layer? |
| 01:11.55 | dalias | a few years ago i got 250 for $40 usd and still have almost half of them |
| 01:12.05 | hatter | 4 gig ? |
| 01:12.05 | acidslep | ahahahaa |
| 01:12.08 | acidslep | thats so great |
| 01:12.15 | hatter | limitation of which part ? |
| 01:12.18 | acidslep | yeah i think there is a 4 gig file size limit? |
| 01:12.22 | acidslep | im looking it up.. |
| 01:12.39 | dalias | screwed best buy. :) i think they were hoping they could trick me into buying something else while i was in there, but no such luck :) |
| 01:12.54 | acidslep | noice :) |
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| 01:13.02 | acidslep | i need a deal like that |
| 01:13.03 | dalias | and they're not the crappy bestbuy brand either but nice ones |
| 01:13.18 | acidslep | my silly family members burn through them for silly things |
| 01:13.27 | acidslep | and _write_ on lightscribe discs |
| 01:13.33 | acidslep | that deserves a facepalm |
| 01:13.39 | dalias | is there any linux software for lightscribe yet? |
| 01:13.43 | hatter | trying now with rsync |
| 01:13.47 | acidslep | yeah but it sucks and properiety |
| 01:13.51 | dalias | ah :( |
| 01:14.03 | acidslep | hatter, i think i was wrong it says its like 16exabytes... |
| 01:14.07 | dalias | it's not really important enuf for ppl to waste their time re'ing i guess |
| 01:14.18 | acidslep | yeah, its not all that useful |
| 01:14.22 | hatter | acidslep, hmmm, unless its not ntfs... i am sure it is |
| 01:14.31 | dalias | much more important things like flash.. |
| 01:14.32 | hatter | if its fat32 it would be 2gb i think ? |
| 01:14.50 | acidslep | scratches head |
| 01:14.57 | acidslep | honestly, i dont screw with ntfs.. |
| 01:15.11 | dalias | does fat32 have 2gb limit? i dunno |
| 01:15.12 | acidslep | yeah dalias, flash is still messin up my browsing experience |
| 01:15.15 | hatter | yep the file stopped at 2gb |
| 01:15.21 | acidslep | oh XD |
| 01:15.21 | dalias | gnash is so crappy too |
| 01:15.24 | hatter | so it must be fat32... grrr |
| 01:15.26 | acidslep | yes it is |
| 01:15.28 | dalias | it fails to support almost anything |
| 01:15.29 | amphi | dalias: yes, I believe so |
| 01:15.39 | dalias | and it uses 10x the cpu and memory as the proprietary player |
| 01:15.44 | acidslep | yep |
| 01:15.46 | dalias | and the video playback is about 1/10 the speed |
| 01:15.46 | acidslep | it sucks.. |
| 01:15.56 | acidslep | XD i guess you tried it |
| 01:15.56 | dalias | like 3fps instead of 30fps |
| 01:15.59 | acidslep | i never did |
| 01:16.12 | amphi | dalias: perhaps you should submit some patches |
| 01:16.23 | acidslep | hah |
| 01:16.31 | dalias | when something's that far off-target i don't think it's fixable :( |
| 01:16.40 | acidslep | flash is a mess... we would have better luck making a free silverlight |
| 01:16.43 | acidslep | i think there is one.. |
| 01:16.44 | amphi | right |
| 01:16.50 | dalias | actually i'd like a flash player that grabs the first .flv download it sees and launches mplayer-plugin |
| 01:17.00 | dalias | and ignores all the crappy flash code |
| 01:17.15 | acidslep | why dont we just screw trying to copy flash, and make a better icontent platform |
| 01:17.17 | acidslep | like java.. |
| 01:17.22 | amphi | there's a shell script to get youtube flvs and play them with mplayer |
| 01:17.24 | acidslep | >< i have no good ideas |
| 01:17.27 | dalias | yeah |
| 01:17.31 | acidslep | dalias, i was just thinking about that! |
| 01:17.33 | dalias | it's actually a 1-liner to do that |
| 01:17.41 | dalias | however having it inline in the browser would be much better |
| 01:17.47 | dalias | and having it support all sites, not just youtube |
| 01:17.50 | acidslep | make a plugin :) |
| 01:17.55 | acidslep | for lamefox |
| 01:18.08 | dalias | the plugin would need to have a flash vm |
| 01:18.15 | dalias | but not actually perform any of the io |
| 01:18.29 | dalias | instead just fake it, and kill itself and run mplayer-plugin as soon as it finds the .flv |
| 01:18.36 | acidslep | over my head now, but i know there are plugins that download the .flv's |
| 01:18.44 | acidslep | i didnt know flash needed a vm.. |
| 01:18.55 | acidslep | or any virtualization :( |
| 01:19.10 | dalias | well by vm i just mean any environment for an interpreted language |
| 01:19.16 | dalias | perhaps interpreter would be a better word |
| 01:19.17 | acidslep | oh, ok. |
| 01:19.21 | acidslep | ja |
| 01:19.35 | dalias | but technically there's hardly any difference between the two |
| 01:19.45 | acidslep | :/ |
| 01:19.46 | dalias | vm just is more buzzword-compliant |
| 01:20.40 | acidslep | i never liked virtualization i think |
| 01:20.45 | acidslep | but i guess i dont really understand it |
| 01:20.50 | acidslep | if a hd was damaged, do you think the bios would recognize it? |
| 01:21.16 | acidslep | it spins |
| 01:21.16 | dalias | damaged in what way? |
| 01:21.22 | acidslep | but doesent sound too healthy |
| 01:21.33 | acidslep | does not seem to get recognized, you know? |
| 01:21.34 | dalias | i've had several dead hdds over the years but i don't remember if the bios recognized them or not |
| 01:21.38 | dalias | i think not |
| 01:21.44 | acidslep | you just heard it and tossed it :) |
| 01:22.05 | dalias | it's probably a dead spindly motor or fried motor control circuitry |
| 01:22.18 | acidslep | k ill try a diffrent one :) |
| 01:22.23 | dalias | spindle* |
| 01:22.25 | acidslep | wow 6gigs |
| 01:22.31 | dalias | :) |
| 01:22.32 | acidslep | spindly is better :P |
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| 01:23.36 | dalias | apparently many dc motor control circuits are not able to deal with the currents induced by the motor turning outside their control |
| 01:23.43 | dalias | i've had that happen on a lot of cd drives |
| 01:23.58 | acidslep | lame |
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| 01:24.09 | acidslep | they just really skimp on the circut design |
| 01:24.11 | dalias | if the drive suddenly loses power while the motor is spinning fast, the induced current from the motor flows back and fries something in the control circuit |
| 01:24.30 | acidslep | (diode...) |
| 01:24.35 | dalias | :) |
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| 01:25.00 | acidslep | its things like that, that messes up hardware and makes your experience less fun. hardware really should be more robust than it is. |
| 01:25.16 | acidslep | atleast the stuff im around. its just too weak |
| 01:25.16 | dalias | actually some drives have even died like that from using the 'emergency eject' pin while the drive is spinning |
| 01:25.24 | acidslep | -.- weeeak |
| 01:25.38 | dalias | i finally decided never to use internal optical drives again and bought myself an external usb enclosure |
| 01:25.51 | dalias | so when the drive inevitably freezes from a bad disc, i can just unplug the usb cable.. |
| 01:25.55 | acidslep | friggin ide, what a pain. with all these jumpers and cable matterings. |
| 01:25.59 | acidslep | haha cool |
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| 01:26.17 | dalias | better than either risking a dead cd drive, or having to reboot, every time it happens |
| 01:26.55 | acidslep | ooh boy! dinner! |
| 01:26.59 | acidslep | leaves |
| 01:28.25 | acidslep | returns with food in hand |
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| 01:29.48 | acidslep | there should be a freenode chan for ide deivce jumper settings |
| 01:30.00 | acidslep | #ide-device-jumper-settings |
| 01:30.02 | acidslep | XD |
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| 01:31.32 | remote | hi |
| 01:31.54 | dondelelcaro | Alam_Debian: uh... there's not much to them; in most things you just set it to cable select. If your cables suck, set one to master, and one to slave. |
| 01:31.55 | remote | can I easily "attach" to an Xorg session? |
| 01:32.17 | acidslep | jah, but its not working XD |
| 01:32.28 | acidslep | remote: uhh.. yes? |
| 01:32.36 | dalias | remote, not really. vnc can sorta do that tho, i guess, but i've never used it |
| 01:32.49 | remote | acidslep: yes how? |
| 01:32.57 | acidslep | you can use your X client to connect to a remote server... right? |
| 01:33.12 | dalias | hehe X "client"/"server" is very confusing to newbies :) |
| 01:33.17 | acidslep | remote: its probably consists of some keystrokes |
| 01:33.18 | remote | it's not networked |
| 01:33.25 | acidslep | yeah it probably is.. |
| 01:33.27 | acidslep | :P |
| 01:33.28 | remote | acidslep: you are very smart |
| 01:33.31 | remote | and no it's not |
| 01:33.36 | acidslep | :( |
| 01:34.25 | acidslep | well im no use |
| 01:34.28 | acidslep | sorry :( |
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| 01:35.37 | remote | you're not making me say it |
| 01:37.45 | acidslep | huh? |
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| 01:39.52 | acidslep | this is seriousley pissin meh off i think, i hate ide |
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| 01:40.00 | acidslep | death to IDE! |
| 01:40.28 | keith80403 | Alt-F2 opens the "Run Application" dialog. There is a drop-down field with application history. How can these entries be deleted, and in what file are they stored? |
| 01:40.35 | Sling | IDE as in? |
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| 01:41.31 | acidslep | IDE the cables |
| 01:41.34 | acidslep | and ... |
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| 01:41.43 | acidslep | well its more than that. |
| 01:42.10 | acidslep | keith80403: your name is too long, type some random shit in the search /var /usr and /tmp |
| 01:42.14 | acidslep | for that |
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| 01:43.11 | acidslep | good idea? |
| 01:43.16 | keith80403 | acidslep, OK, I'll grep those dirs. |
| 01:43.33 | keith80403 | acidslep, Yes, a good idea - thought it might be in some dot file in my home dir. |
| 01:43.43 | acidslep | could be that too |
| 01:43.51 | acidslep | check /home as well but that will take forever |
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| 01:44.10 | acidslep | but i bet it wont be that obvious to find |
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| 01:44.50 | acidslep | see what its actually calling, and poke around where ever that bin is stored? |
| 01:45.01 | amphi | keith80403: it will be a dotfile in $HOME |
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| 01:45.46 | keith80403 | amphi, OK, I'll check that out. Will probably touch a reference file and use that with find -newer - thanks for the hint. |
| 01:47.29 | amphi | keith80403: for grun, the runbox I use, it's .grun_history |
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| 01:48.03 | amphi | keith80403: find -name '*history*' in ~ might turn yours up |
| 01:48.04 | acidslep | >< |
| 01:48.27 | acidslep | gee, im not really any help |
| 01:49.19 | yareckon | Hi folks, can anyone help me figure out a sound issue on a ppc mac mini, just point me in the right direction? I've not troubleshot sound issues before. |
| 01:49.37 | yareckon | here's what I know... |
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| 01:49.50 | yareckon | the mac mini is running sid, no problem |
| 01:50.00 | acidslep | dont consider whatever i say, ill just lead you away from the solution |
| 01:50.08 | yareckon | xine based players can do sound |
| 01:50.10 | amphi | !alsa checklist |
| 01:50.10 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 01:50.26 | yareckon | gstreamer and other backends don't seem to |
| 01:50.35 | yareckon | thanks amphi |
| 01:50.57 | keith80403 | amphi, FOUND IT! ==> ~/./.gconf/apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/%gconf.xml |
| 01:51.16 | amphi | heh |
| 01:51.29 | yareckon | snd-aoa.ko is active, though I only ran modprobe -l to find that out |
| 01:51.36 | amphi | inuitive, really |
| 01:53.09 | keith80403 | amphi, After deleting the %gconf.xml file, have to restart X (Ctl-Alt-Backspace) to flush the list from memory. After that, Alt-F2's history is clear. |
| 01:53.10 | yareckon | thanks for the checklist amphi, confused about whether checklist should be positive or negative checklist.... i.e. should arts or esound be stopped? Assume so |
| 01:53.26 | yareckon | and OSS modules should be unloaded? |
| 01:53.54 | yareckon | number 6 is my favorite though :) |
| 01:53.59 | amphi | oss emu stuff need only be loaded if required |
| 01:54.04 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:54.19 | Wyzard | keith80403: Rather than deleting that .xml file out from under the running gconf process, use gconf-editor to remove the list cleanly |
| 01:54.25 | amphi | it won't do any harm if it's loaded |
| 01:54.41 | Wyzard | keith80403: Run gconf-editor and navigate to /apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel and delete the history-gnome-run item |
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| 01:55.33 | keith80403 | Wyzard, OK, I'll remember that for next time. |
| 01:55.45 | yareckon | thanks... dunno if alsa is only working through oss emulation or what as I don't understand lots of the sound layers... will do the vanilla alsa checklist and see where my head starts to hurt |
| 01:56.12 | Wyzard | yareckon: OSS emulation is a layer on top of ALSA, not the other way around |
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| 01:56.45 | Wyzard | If OSS works, native ALSA stuff should work too |
| 01:57.08 | Wyzard | (unless you're actually using a real legacy OSS driver, and not an ALSA driver with the OSS emulation layer on top of it) |
| 01:57.14 | yareckon | hence the name emulation |
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| 01:57.50 | yareckon | ok, so it thinks it found snd-powermac |
| 01:58.00 | Wyzard | I don't know why people still recommend running alsaconf, btw... unless you have some ancient ISA sound card or something, it shouldn't be necessary on a modern system |
| 01:58.02 | yareckon | which from previous reading is only used on other mac |
| 01:58.08 | Wyzard | and I'd recommend against it |
| 01:58.14 | yareckon | yeah.. im suspicious |
| 01:59.05 | Wyzard | alsaconf sets up static module aliases for sound drivers so that they can be loaded automatically when something tries to open the sound device |
| 01:59.09 | yareckon | oh well, already running it... is there an alternate first step of the checklist that will allow me to back out if this breask everything |
| 01:59.29 | Wyzard | but on modern systems using udev, the driver for your sound card should be loaded just by being detected on the PCI bus |
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| 01:59.39 | yareckon | well that is happening at boot |
| 01:59.50 | Wyzard | so alsaconf's static aliases are unnecessary and inappropriate |
| 01:59.59 | yareckon | snd-aoa is loaded at least to the point that modprobe can see it |
| 02:00.16 | yareckon | ok, so .... retry cancel abort |
| 02:00.32 | yareckon | or something ... my dos memories are fuzzy :) |
| 02:00.42 | yareckon | abort reboot delete? |
| 02:00.44 | yareckon | :D |
| 02:00.51 | Wyzard | If modprobe can "see" it, that means it's installed, not that it's actually loaded into the running kernel |
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| 02:01.27 | Wyzard | running modprobe is what loads it |
| 02:01.30 | amphi | yareckon: lsmod will show what's actually loaded |
| 02:01.39 | yareckon | ok, so I'm killing that alsaconf window... feeling like I need to reboot to clean up this system before I can try an alternative checklist though |
| 02:02.06 | yareckon | first thing alsa conf did was to tell me all the modules it was unloading |
| 02:02.07 | Wyzard | wouldn't hurt, but probably isn't necessary |
| 02:02.38 | yareckon | worried that something that appears broken now is going to make me unsupportable via IRC...even with the best checklist |
| 02:02.48 | yareckon | let me see what lsmod says |
| 02:02.48 | Wyzard | What I'd do is: first manually modprobe the driver module and see if it succeeds, and if so, then reboot and see if it's loaded automatically at boot time |
| 02:03.58 | yareckon | ok, apparently alsaconf didn't unload snd_aoa, cause lsmod sees that still, and snd_aoa_codec_toonie |
| 02:04.15 | yareckon | toonie is the name of the hardware chip I vaguely recall? |
| 02:07.21 | yareckon | rebooting... unable to get sound going and amarok complains about nonexisten audio drives |
| 02:07.25 | yareckon | drivers |
| 02:07.30 | yareckon | see yall in 10 mins |
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| 02:17.37 | yareckon | ok I'm back to normal (amarok sounds great, kaffeine sounds great) gnome based sound love is not happening |
| 02:18.19 | yareckon | so how do I make sure all alsa components are working.. and then move on to what is wrong with gstreamer and gnome system sound |
| 02:18.36 | yareckon | !alsa checklist |
| 02:18.36 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 02:19.56 | yareckon | in audio group v^ |
| 02:21.03 | yareckon | retreating to google to learn how to use alsamixer...:( |
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| 02:24.33 | Wyzard | yareckon: run it, use the arrow keys, escape to quit |
| 02:25.01 | yareckon | is this while I am playing a sound? |
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| 02:25.10 | Wyzard | no, anytime |
| 02:25.16 | Wyzard | It's just a volume control |
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| 02:25.47 | Wyzard | run it from a terminal |
| 02:26.16 | yareckon | ok... not affecting anything apparently... but I didn't see anything at all happening visually either... |
| 02:26.26 | Wyzard | The reason the factoid mentions alsamixer is that by default all the volume levels are set to zero and muted |
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| 02:26.48 | yareckon | well I can toggle the M widget on an off wit hthat key |
| 02:26.53 | Wyzard | right |
| 02:26.58 | Wyzard | and use up/down to adjust volume |
| 02:27.06 | yareckon | which should be muting, but is not affecting my song at all |
| 02:27.19 | yareckon | so I may be running another sound system entirely |
| 02:27.42 | Wyzard | You're able to play sound and hear it? |
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| 02:28.05 | yareckon | yup, but only from amarok and kaffeine... which both use xine as a backend |
| 02:28.33 | yareckon | and gnome system sounds etc.. complain about devices not existing... gstreamer stuff gets errors |
| 02:28.37 | yareckon | so I wanted to start over |
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| 02:29.03 | yareckon | assume that xine is running on top of alsa, but doesn't seem like alsamixer is affecting my sound at all |
| 02:29.15 | Wyzard | What channel were you muting? |
| 02:29.18 | yareckon | maybe I am running oss |
| 02:29.39 | Wyzard | Unless you have two sound cards, which is unlikely, you can't be using both OSS and ALSA |
| 02:29.42 | yareckon | my alsamixer panel shows just a gray background and a mute button, no sliders |
| 02:30.08 | Wyzard | You don't see any vertical bars? |
| 02:30.15 | Wyzard | What does it say on the "Card:" line? |
| 02:30.16 | yareckon | okay... lets back up... apparently this toonie chip only does software volume control |
| 02:30.34 | yareckon | so if alsa is trying to talk to hardware, maybe it can find it? |
| 02:30.49 | yareckon | Card: USB Device 0x461:0xa00 |
| 02:31.10 | yareckon | wait... usb!?! |
| 02:31.12 | JW | Is there any X-based program that will take pop up and ask you for your ssh-key password in an X window? In other words, a GUI for ssh-add? |
| 02:31.20 | SamuraiDio | i can't start alsa, can someone help? here is my dmesg -> http://pastebin.com/f4ece5dc |
| 02:31.40 | Wyzard | yareckon: Do you have any USB audio devices, like USB headphones or something? |
| 02:31.53 | yareckon | webcam....I'm looking at that now.. |
| 02:32.28 | Wyzard | yareckon: It's possible for onboard audio to be USB, but not particularly likely... run lsusb and see what's there |
| 02:32.38 | yareckon | unplugged the webcam and alsamixer crashed... so thats probbly relate |
| 02:32.40 | yareckon | d |
| 02:32.43 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:33.10 | Wyzard | ALSA supports multiple sound devices, but I think they get assigned numbers in the order they're detected |
| 02:33.21 | yareckon | now it's pouting an refusing to reopen... snd_ctl_open failed... no such file |
| 02:33.21 | Wyzard | It might be that your webcam was device 0 and your onboard audio was device 1 |
| 02:33.40 | Wyzard | unload (with rmmod) and reload (with modprobe) those snd-aoa and snd-aoa-codec-toonie modules |
| 02:35.13 | Wyzard | then try alsamixer again |
| 02:35.25 | yareckon | what if it complains they are in use? even as root |
| 02:35.33 | yareckon | no manual entry |
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| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | Run lsmod and see if any other lines mention the snd-aoa ones in the "used by" column |
| 02:36.58 | yareckon | and remove in that order... |
| 02:37.05 | Wyzard | oops, sorry, that should be the other way around: see what's in the "used by" column for the snd-aoa modules |
| 02:37.11 | yareckon | yeah.. got that |
| 02:38.38 | Wyzard | If the number in the "used by" column is nonzero but there are no other module names listed, it means the driver is in use by something other than another module, most likely something having the sound device opened for playback |
| 02:39.15 | yareckon | crap... it all thinks it's in use |
| 02:39.39 | yareckon | even when unloading in reverse depends order |
| 02:40.08 | yareckon | ok.. killed sound applet and it now cooperates |
| 02:40.22 | Wyzard | I was about to mention that applet |
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| 02:40.53 | yareckon | so do I need to do anything will all killed, or just reload them? |
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| 02:40.55 | Wyzard | If that was holding the device open, that means it was recognizing your onboard audio and you probably could've used it instead of alsamixer |
| 02:41.01 | Wyzard | just reload them |
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| 02:42.07 | yareckon | ok, now I have four devices in alsamixer... Card is soundbylayout |
| 02:42.17 | Wyzard | interesting name |
| 02:42.44 | Wyzard | Do the volume controls work? |
| 02:42.49 | yareckon | three green headphone boxes with OO and one speaker with MM |
| 02:43.03 | yareckon | there are still no sliders |
| 02:43.19 | Wyzard | If the toonie can't do hardware volume control, that's not surprising |
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| 02:45.02 | yareckon | leftmost headphone widget does switch between the internal speaker on the macmini and the line out |
| 02:45.07 | yareckon | or headphone out rather |
| 02:45.12 | yareckon | when I mute it |
| 02:45.23 | Wyzard | OK |
| 02:45.33 | yareckon | so this means alsa is working |
| 02:45.36 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 02:46.06 | Wyzard | As for sound in GNOME, open System -> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector |
| 02:46.15 | Wyzard | What does it say for "Plugin"? |
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| 02:46.53 | yareckon | ok so now gnome sound works from control panel |
| 02:47.33 | yareckon | have a "Sound" control panel... probly same thing |
| 02:47.48 | Wyzard | hmm, there's that too |
| 02:48.02 | yareckon | tests now work... so it was probably that damn webcame |
| 02:48.06 | Wyzard | That's for GNOME itself... the "Multimedia systems selector" one is for gstreamer |
| 02:48.14 | Wyzard | Make sure they're all set to ALSA and not OSS |
| 02:48.38 | Wyzard | It sounds like the root of your problem was that webcam's sound device was being detected first and becoming the primary sound device |
| 02:48.48 | yareckon | sound capture complains, but the others work |
| 02:48.56 | yareckon | no unusual, a sdon't have a mic |
| 02:49.05 | yareckon | I think you are right |
| 02:49.17 | yareckon | I'll see if gstreamer loves me in a minute |
| 02:49.23 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, I don't know how to control the order in which sound devices get enumerated when there are several |
| 02:49.37 | yareckon | hm...grub switches :) |
| 02:49.54 | Wyzard | The "capture" setting not working would be caused by your sound card not even having line-in hardware, btw |
| 02:50.37 | Wyzard | It should work as long as there's an input channel on the card, even if there's no actual mic connected to it |
| 02:50.45 | yareckon | ok.. so where should the beer get delivered to? |
| 02:50.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:50.59 | Wyzard | doesn't drink |
| 02:51.03 | yareckon | dammit |
| 02:51.17 | Wyzard | glad to help though |
| 02:51.19 | yareckon | I don't have much of other forms of currency |
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| 02:51.25 | yareckon | but beer... |
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| 02:52.41 | yareckon | thanks a bunch... I'm actually a sysadmin for several servers...informally... but multimedia stuff is quite a different universe |
| 02:53.19 | yareckon | grumble ... codecs ...grumble |
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| 02:53.39 | Wyzard | For the most part, alsa "just works" thanks to hardware detection |
| 02:53.46 | Wyzard | hardware detection just happened to backfire this time |
| 02:53.49 | kurt_remote | I did a package install of xfce4 and am missing some of the admin modules. Are they somewhere else? |
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| 02:55.04 | yareckon | what's your involvement with audio on debian, or have you just troubleshot this stuff many times? |
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| 02:55.41 | Wyzard | I don't really have any special involvement with audio |
| 02:55.47 | Wyzard | but I've been running Debian as my main OS for about eight years |
| 02:56.15 | Wyzard | so I've learned a lot of bits and pieces about how things work |
| 02:56.29 | yareckon | have been running debian as main server os for 4 years, this desktop for 18 months... |
| 02:57.00 | yareckon | went with debian on the desktop as the ther major distros dropped ppc support and macos got less and less free feeling |
| 02:57.23 | yareckon | its a nice little desktop/home server and draws 17 watts |
| 02:57.28 | Wyzard | cool |
| 02:57.44 | yareckon | whereas monster under the desk draws 65-200 depending on load |
| 02:57.53 | yareckon | so it stays off cept for multimedia projects |
| 02:58.38 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 02:58.51 | Wolfcastle | what options are there to manage runlevels in debian? |
| 02:59.05 | Wolfcastle | except for the manual one of course |
| 02:59.09 | stoned | !runlevel |
| 02:59.09 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 02:59.13 | Jadrael | just use init 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
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| 02:59.23 | stoned | !rcconf |
| 02:59.23 | dpkg | from memory, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 02:59.28 | stoned | enjoy |
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| 03:00.14 | Wolfcastle | thanx |
| 03:00.57 | yareckon | I would second rcconf ...mostly... though that "if it's broken" line disturbs me :) |
| 03:01.08 | Wyzard | hmm... Microsoft's Calibri font looks a lot like Computer Modern Sans |
| 03:01.41 | yareckon | Calibri is nice... don't know that I've seen computer modern sans |
| 03:02.14 | Wyzard | http://www.identifont.com/show?769 |
| 03:02.18 | yareckon | what is annoying is that pretty soon silly people will be using calibri and the other new vista/Office2007 fonts in web pages |
| 03:02.23 | Wyzard | It comes with TeX |
| 03:03.11 | yareckon | introducing more annoying layout issues that we had all just squashed recently with the 12 core fonts becomeing completely crossplatform availabe |
| 03:03.17 | Wyzard | http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/cmss/ has more examples |
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| 03:11.09 | synic | is there a way to see *all* of the deps a package has, even the deps of deps? I'm trying to see if python-glade2 ultimately depends on gettext |
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| 03:23.03 | CVirus | I'm currently having a really bad distro confusion ... I recently moved from gentoo to debian ... I was thinking why not to move to ubuntu ... any one around to point the bad stuff about ubuntu please ? |
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| 03:23.19 | CVirus | I mean the good stuff that debian has but ubuntu doesn't |
| 03:23.29 | CVirus | I've been using debian for 2 days now |
| 03:23.52 | CVirus | Gentoo for 4 years |
| 03:24.42 | esds | Ubuntu is based on debian -> Ubuntu is much easier for newbies |
| 03:25.01 | beardy | !ubuntu |
| 03:25.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:25.35 | esds | !based on debian |
| 03:25.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 03:26.06 | esds | !Debian policy |
| 03:26.06 | dpkg | debian policy is, like, a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
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| 03:28.26 | b-04 | dont like ubuntu |
| 03:28.47 | esds | b-04: why? |
| 03:29.05 | b-04 | hate using my all heart ubuntu !!! |
| 03:29.34 | b-04 | hate ubuntu we using my all heart |
| 03:29.39 | b-04 | sorry im not english :( |
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| 03:29.45 | esds | what do you dont like with it? It's excellent for newbies who are new to Linux |
| 03:29.57 | b-04 | yes, for this |
| 03:29.59 | cafuego | It's also excellent for people who are not newbies. |
| 03:30.15 | b-04 | its more preconfigurated |
| 03:30.19 | b-04 | and instalateds packages |
| 03:30.25 | b-04 | its too simply |
| 03:30.26 | esds | i either roll with Debian or Ubuntu, depends on what CD/DVD i find first |
| 03:30.37 | esds | debian is also simple |
| 03:30.44 | b-04 | yes |
| 03:30.46 | cafuego | Too simple? |
| 03:30.50 | b-04 | very simple |
| 03:30.51 | b-04 | xD |
| 03:30.52 | cafuego | Wtf sort of argument is that? |
| 03:30.53 | b-04 | sorry |
| 03:30.55 | esds | Comfy |
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| 03:32.41 | cafuego | Like "I don't like software that's easy to use because it helps me do what I need to do more efficiently". |
| 03:32.58 | dalias | lol |
| 03:32.59 | esds | lol |
| 03:33.04 | Twar3 | That sounds kinda like wanting to use Windows Explorer. |
| 03:33.26 | esds | Windows Explorer has its own will. |
| 03:34.13 | cafuego | I use debian on most servers because it's nice and stable,a nd Ubuntu on desktops because it gices me the latest gui apps for the elast fuss |
| 03:34.58 | yareckon | I like ubuntu more at the beginning of every 6 months than at the end :) |
| 03:35.09 | esds | cafuego: same |
| 03:35.10 | yareckon | sid keeps looking better and better |
| 03:35.32 | yareckon | as $ANIMALADJECTIVE ages |
| 03:35.50 | yareckon | and doesn't have the new versions of apps |
| 03:37.33 | beardy | Severe case of sns. |
| 03:44.05 | dudeman | sns |
| 03:44.06 | dudeman | ? |
| 03:44.08 | dudeman | !sns |
| 03:44.08 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 03:44.14 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:44.39 | Weedy | heh |
| 03:44.56 | cafuego | Yeah, but then again, clients don't like the 12MB per page PDFs inkscape 0.45 spits out,. so I' |
| 03:45.10 | cafuego | ll use 0.46 with a new poppler and cairo if it's all the same to you |
| 03:45.16 | dudeman | oh good lord inkscape is horrible |
| 03:45.27 | dudeman | utter crap |
| 03:45.36 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.47 | Weedy | sounds like PS |
| 03:45.51 | dudeman | yup |
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| 03:45.56 | dudeman | gimp is the shiznit |
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| 03:46.05 | dudeman | I do all my web design in gimp |
| 03:46.08 | dudeman | fuck photoshoppers |
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| 03:46.22 | cafuego | gimp is useless for pdf generation |
| 03:46.24 | dudeman | http://www.frostedweb.com/fw4.png <-- this is what I'm working on in lenny's gimp older |
| 03:46.30 | dudeman | cafuego, oh for pdf sure |
| 03:46.36 | cafuego | and for vector work too |
| 03:47.04 | cafuego | sides, inkscape runs just dandy, even did on the crufty old athlon |
| 03:47.21 | dudeman | cafuego, I have a 3.5ghz core 2 with 4gb ram |
| 03:47.27 | dudeman | it lags |
| 03:47.33 | cafuego | heh |
| 03:47.34 | cafuego | you' |
| 03:47.34 | dudeman | especially on opening large cliparts |
| 03:47.41 | cafuego | you're doing it wrong, then |
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| 03:48.03 | dudeman | I'm just launghing the program from the debian menu, and opening up a web downloadd .svg file from openclipart |
| 03:48.04 | ``y7 | how do i learn how to use ipmasq? when i go to man ipmasq, it tells me "ipmasq -h" will bring me to help, but when i type that in my console, it gives me an error |
| 03:48.06 | dudeman | and it lags |
| 03:48.11 | dudeman | liek you wouldn't believe |
| 03:48.24 | dudeman | launching* |
| 03:48.50 | wols | ``y7: what's there to learn? you configure it when installing or via debconf and be done with it |
| 03:48.54 | cafuego | Yes, openclipart isn't the quickest. But then, if you know it lags, but persist in using it and complaing about it ... |
| 03:49.03 | cafuego | You know, send in a patch to speed it up. |
| 03:49.04 | ``y7 | ok, how do i configure it with debconf? |
| 03:49.23 | dudeman | I chose not to use it |
| 03:49.25 | dudeman | I stick with gimp |
| 03:49.28 | wols | ``y7: you already did when you installed it. dpkg-reconfigure <package> to do it again |
| 03:49.39 | wols | !wayttd ``y7 |
| 03:49.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ``y7? |
| 03:49.42 | cafuego | Well, gimp is a different tool for a totally different job |
| 03:49.47 | dudeman | cafuego, yup |
| 03:50.02 | dudeman | and you should be putting png on the network anyway, not svg files yet anyway |
| 03:50.18 | dudeman | as I discoverd to my dismay, svg support is not consistent across browsers |
| 03:50.26 | ``y7 | wols, it's installed, i don't remember installing it, so it must have come with my debian installation. i never configured it. i want to configure it now, but i'd rather not reinstall to config it... that way if i need to reconfig it again, i don't have to reinstall again |
| 03:50.33 | cafuego | shouldn't do anything <heh> |
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| 03:50.44 | wols | ``y7: it doesn't come with your debian installation, ever |
| 03:50.44 | dudeman | not YOU |
| 03:50.50 | dudeman | the 'general' you |
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| 03:50.57 | dudeman | the all inclusive you, you know the editorial... |
| 03:51.03 | ``y7 | well then i installed it, but i do not remember nor do i even know how i installed it |
| 03:51.06 | wols | either you install it explicitly or it's not there |
| 03:51.08 | Pavlz | hello |
| 03:51.13 | beardy | That includes him. |
| 03:51.19 | Pavlz | how to create a cd ? |
| 03:51.38 | ``y7 | "ipmasq is already the newest version. |
| 03:51.40 | wols | Pavlz: use a program like k3b, gnomebacker, etc |
| 03:51.50 | wols | ``y7: I told you how to reconfigure it |
| 03:51.51 | Pavlz | my computer want to do only files image on hard drive |
| 03:51.55 | dudeman | beardy, so it means I was talking about EVERYONE, not JUST him. |
| 03:52.05 | beardy | dudeman: Yes. |
| 03:52.12 | ``y7 | wols, how? i know you said to use debconf, but i don't know how to use debconf |
| 03:52.19 | dudeman | beardy, so long as you are aware. |
| 03:52.21 | cafuego | EVERYONE still included me at last count |
| 03:52.26 | wols | ``y7: I told you about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:52.29 | beardy | Cocky. |
| 03:52.33 | ``y7 | debconf = dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:52.37 | Pavlz | k3b is for kde ? |
| 03:52.45 | dudeman | Sometimes its ok. |
| 03:52.51 | dudeman | ;) |
| 03:52.57 | wols | Pavlz: apt-cache show will tell you |
| 03:53.06 | Pavlz | because i got gnome |
| 03:53.16 | dudeman | yes |
| 03:53.22 | dudeman | but you can install it on gnome too |
| 03:53.25 | beardy | Pavlz: You can still run it, doesn't matter. |
| 03:53.26 | dudeman | you can always use gnome-baker |
| 03:53.41 | beardy | Pavlz: If you don't want to, as dudeman said just now. |
| 03:53.51 | ``y7 | wols, will i lose internet while reconfiguring ipmasq? |
| 03:54.07 | wols | possibly |
| 03:54.20 | wols | but usually not |
| 03:54.33 | ``y7 | ty for your help wols |
| 03:54.39 | Pavlz | yes is for kde |
| 03:54.49 | dudeman | I love kde |
| 03:54.55 | dudeman | kde is the bomb |
| 03:55.03 | dudeman | shizbamboozle |
| 03:55.13 | Pavlz | but i got gnome |
| 03:55.19 | dudeman | Pavlz, its ok |
| 03:55.26 | dudeman | Pavlz, just type aptitude install k3b |
| 03:55.30 | wols | Pavlz: and you've been told it doesn't matter |
| 03:55.31 | beardy | Just install it and see for yourself. |
| 03:55.37 | dudeman | Pavlz, just type aptitude -R install k3b, or apt-get install k3b |
| 03:55.50 | dudeman | you probably don't want all the crap that aptitude will install with it |
| 03:55.52 | dudeman | ond efault |
| 03:56.40 | beardy | Chili chocolate ice cream is.. different. |
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| 03:56.46 | dudeman | chilli? |
| 03:56.51 | beardy | Yes. |
| 03:56.55 | dudeman | one time my older brother bought some candy from an indian store |
| 03:57.05 | dudeman | i tried it, was salty and spiced with curry |
| 03:57.12 | dudeman | chocalate curry thingy |
| 03:57.13 | dudeman | ugh. |
| 03:57.17 | beardy | Hehe |
| 03:57.27 | ``y7 | wols, when do i want ipmasq to be started up? after network interfaces are brought up, after network filesystems are mounted or after network services have started? |
| 03:57.27 | dudeman | it was horrible |
| 03:58.35 | wols | ``y7: depoends how you access the internet |
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| 03:58.52 | ``y7 | i'm planning on making the debian machine my router and i'm going to use ipmasq as my firewall |
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| 03:59.03 | wols | it has to start after you are connected to the internet whenever that is |
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| 03:59.40 | ``y7 | which of the three loads last, i can set it up to start after the last one loads? |
| 04:01.00 | ``y7 | wols, i selected "after network services have started" and then it exited the setup..... how do i forward ports with ipmasq? |
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| 04:03.16 | wols | by writing a iptables script and putting it ot /etc/ipmasq/rules/ |
| 04:03.23 | wols | see /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ |
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| 04:03.44 | b-04 | where is the url from the debian etch media packages? |
| 04:03.52 | ukatan | hi, I was wondering how to set a specific font size for xterm |
| 04:04.06 | beardy | b-04: Do you mean debian-multimedia? |
| 04:04.11 | b-04 | yes beardy |
| 04:04.15 | b-04 | i need flash libs |
| 04:04.21 | b-04 | for play swf in icewel |
| 04:04.21 | beardy | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:04.21 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 04:04.23 | ukatan | when I use the flag -fn it doesn't work and I'm not really sure how to properly format the fontname so xterm knows what it is |
| 04:04.42 | b-04 | thanks |
| 04:04.50 | karsten | ukatan: 'xlsfonts' should list the known fonts. |
| 04:04.51 | beardy | b-04: Ah. /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 04:04.57 | beardy | b-04: np |
| 04:05.00 | karsten | ukatan: What font are you trying to specify? |
| 04:05.03 | ukatan | terminus-8 |
| 04:05.18 | ukatan | holy crap! that command is awesome |
| 04:05.35 | karsten | dudeman: Are you The Dude? |
| 04:05.39 | karsten | asdfasdf |
| 04:06.00 | ukatan | the problem I'm having is that when I set terminus as the font with one of the old-style xfont strings I get no bold output in the terminal |
| 04:06.18 | ukatan | even if I specify both with -fn and -fb |
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| 04:06.49 | wols | b-04: flash is in backports |
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| 04:08.27 | extor | Besides updated the deb packages, do the weekly testing builds usually add any other features? |
| 04:08.43 | karsten | ukatan: Sorry, flaky connection here. |
| 04:08.49 | ukatan | no problem. |
| 04:08.55 | karsten | ukatan: '-fb' only specifies the font to be used for bold text. |
| 04:09.02 | ukatan | right. |
| 04:09.17 | ukatan | what I'm saying is, even if I specify terminus for -fn and terminus bold for -fb, no bold text shows up |
| 04:09.26 | dalias | specifying the same font for -fn and -fb prevents xterm from using a bold font |
| 04:09.31 | karsten | ukatan: 'xlsfonts | grep -i terminus' should show your font, if it's installed. If it's not, xterm will fall back to the default font, usually 'fixed'. And whatever that aliases to. |
| 04:09.40 | dudeman | karsten, I wish |
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| 04:09.44 | dalias | which is a good thing, because attribute 1 is supposed to mean high intensity (brightness), not boldface font |
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| 04:09.50 | ardya | hi folks |
| 04:09.54 | dudeman | karsten, after Ironman I kinda lost my respect for Jeff Bridges |
| 04:10.04 | ardya | hey guys, I see on debian a libpcap.so, slackware doesnt have it, just the .a static lib. I download the source for libpcap, but there doesn't seem to be an option to build a shared lib. how the hell is debian building one? I used the same configure options in debians rules file in their package and dont get a shared lib |
| 04:10.04 | dudeman | I did not like him as a villain |
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| 04:10.20 | dudeman | karsten, I liked him always as Tron guy or the dude lebowski |
| 04:10.23 | dudeman | anyway |
| 04:10.32 | dalias | ardya, look at the debian diff file and see.. |
| 04:10.38 | dalias | debian might patch it |
| 04:10.55 | karsten | dudeman: He was The Bad Dude there. |
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| 04:11.19 | karsten | ukatan: Hrm. Can you post a screenshot of what you are seeing? |
| 04:11.24 | b-04 | mmmm |
| 04:11.38 | ukatan | whoa, hey. |
| 04:11.41 | ukatan | I don't know why |
| 04:11.45 | b-04 | deb http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386 etch main |
| 04:11.50 | ukatan | but when I tell it terminus-bold as my regular font |
| 04:11.51 | b-04 | in my source list |
| 04:11.52 | ukatan | everything works |
| 04:11.53 | b-04 | is wrong ? :S |
| 04:11.59 | ukatan | cool! |
| 04:12.04 | ukatan | thanks, karsten |
| 04:12.07 | ardya | dalias: I guess the question is, can I apply their patch to pristine src tree and build the so lib |
| 04:12.10 | wols | !tell b-04 about flash |
| 04:12.14 | ukatan | I think the encoding was part of the problem |
| 04:12.16 | dalias | ukatan, do you want all text to be bold? |
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| 04:12.19 | ukatan | nope |
| 04:12.37 | ukatan | I wanted it to be exactly how it is with fixed, just with terminus |
| 04:12.38 | ukatan | and I got it |
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| 04:12.48 | ukatan | with the bold username@host and the non-bold prompt |
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| 04:13.08 | ``y7 | does debian 4.0 have a gui firewall that i can install? |
| 04:13.22 | ukatan | ``y7, firestarter |
| 04:13.34 | dudeman | karsten, yeh |
| 04:13.40 | ``y7 | ty ukatan |
| 04:13.45 | b-04 | yes wols |
| 04:14.01 | b-04 | wols, i cant insert the multimedia packages |
| 04:14.06 | b-04 | in source list:S |
| 04:14.09 | ukatan | np |
| 04:14.19 | wols | b-04: you are not supposed to use dmm for flash |
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| 04:14.38 | wols | ``y7: why would you need a firewall? |
| 04:15.26 | ``y7 | wols, my linksys router can't handle more than 20 connections at a time. i didn't want to give up my debian machine for smoothwall, so i'm attempting to use a firewall on my debian machine so i can have both |
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| 04:16.20 | wols | ``y7: that doesn't answer my question. your linksys router wasn't a firewall either |
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| 04:16.49 | wols | NAT router != firewall. and people who use a NAT router rarely need a firewall (or know what it is) either |
| 04:16.57 | ``y7 | my linksys router forwarded ports, isn't that a firewall? |
| 04:17.02 | wols | no |
| 04:17.09 | ``y7 | dangit |
| 04:17.17 | ``y7 | everybody is giving me different information |
| 04:17.28 | wols | a firewall CONTROLES traffic. a NAT router routes it, like with port forwarding among other things |
| 04:17.51 | wols | a firewall is not just software. it's a concept |
| 04:18.19 | ``y7 | ok, well then all i need is NAT then |
| 04:18.21 | wols | for what you want to do, ipmasq is plenty btw |
| 04:18.23 | ardya | dalias: thanks, using the debian solib patch worked |
| 04:18.37 | ``y7 | well i went to debconfig ipmasq, and it didn't give me any options to forward ports |
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| 04:18.55 | wols | there isn't such a thing. did you read the docs like I told you? |
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| 04:19.03 | Pavlz | nothing to do |
| 04:19.24 | ``y7 | i don't remember you telling me to read any docs, was it a url or a manual? |
| 04:19.29 | Pavlz | i installed k3b |
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| 04:19.46 | Pavlz | but it says to insert a cd-rw |
| 04:19.49 | superjoe30 | is there an apt-get command to just download the .deb file for a package? |
| 04:20.00 | ham5 | download only |
| 04:20.00 | Pavlz | my computer got a dvd-rom |
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| 04:20.11 | \amethyst | superjoe30: apt-get -d install package |
| 04:20.13 | b-04 | whats repositories need for instal flash player ? :S |
| 04:20.19 | superjoe30 | thanks |
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| 04:20.23 | \amethyst | superjoe30: it will be downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:20.37 | ham5 | b-04, flash 10 supports linux just goto their page |
| 04:20.37 | wols | Pavlz: how do you expect to burn DVDs on a DVD-ROM? |
| 04:20.52 | wols | or CDs |
| 04:21.03 | Pavlz | my computer is a thinkpad t23 |
| 04:21.14 | b-04 | ls |
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| 04:21.22 | wols | Pavlz: answer my question and don't go off on a tangent |
| 04:21.27 | Pavlz | with a combo cd-rw + dvd-rom |
| 04:21.31 | ``y7 | < wols > : ``y7: what's there to learn? you configure it when installing or via debconf and be done with it <---- my configuration only asked me when to start ipmasq, it didn't ask me anything else..... |
| 04:21.53 | wols | ``y7: and that's right |
| 04:22.22 | TiMiDo | !translation |
| 04:22.24 | wols | Pavlz: so did you insert a writable CD? |
| 04:22.30 | ham5 | :) |
| 04:22.33 | Pavlz | i did |
| 04:22.34 | TiMiDo | hey can someone tell me the debian channel for the translation team and stuff like that? |
| 04:22.39 | Pavlz | is new |
| 04:22.40 | ``y7 | wols, so how do i forward ports if it never asks me to set it up? |
| 04:22.48 | Pavlz | clean |
| 04:22.54 | wols | ``y7: I told you. by editing the proper files |
| 04:23.07 | wols | !tell Pavlz about errors |
| 04:23.28 | Pavlz | it says to insert a cd-rw unit |
| 04:23.48 | wols | Pavlz: what part of "EXACT" do you fail to grasp? |
| 04:23.48 | ``y7 | ok, where do i find these files wols? |
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| 04:24.09 | wols | ``y7: since you only read half of what I tell you constantly, i won't say anything at all anymore. goodbye |
| 04:24.36 | ``y7 | sigh, thx for trying wols, i'll go back through and see if i can find anything. |
| 04:24.51 | Pavlz | can't do the cd |
| 04:24.54 | b-04 | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 04:25.01 | wols | Pavlz: nevermind. just ask someone else since you can't follow simple questions. goodybe |
| 04:25.01 | Pavlz | it does not find the unit |
| 04:25.01 | b-04 | what is the opera directory? |
| 04:25.17 | wols | b-04: ask #adobe or whoever. not us |
| 04:25.35 | b-04 | ok |
| 04:25.39 | b-04 | çand the icewel path ? |
| 04:25.53 | wols | b-04: same thing. use a debian package or ask whoever you get the software from |
| 04:26.00 | Pavlz | thanks |
| 04:26.19 | Pavlz | is there the possibility to burn a cd from shell ? |
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| 04:26.38 | wols | b-04: is there any reason you can't use backports for your flashplayer? |
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| 04:31.48 | Pavlz | ahahah |
| 04:32.00 | Pavlz | i found why does not burn |
| 04:32.19 | Pavlz | MATSHITA DVD-ROM SR-8176 LB36 (/dev/scd0, ) [CD-ROM, DVD-ROM] [DVD-ROM, CD-ROM] [None] |
| 04:32.50 | Pavlz | it can read dvd and read cd |
| 04:33.09 | Pavlz | but can not to do a cd |
| 04:33.14 | Pavlz | :-( |
| 04:34.06 | Wolfcastle | wow update-rc.d is really frustrating |
| 04:34.18 | wols | Wolfcastle: use rcconf |
| 04:34.42 | Wolfcastle | i keep getting a message saying " System startup links for /etc/init.d/mysql already exist." |
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| 04:34.48 | Wolfcastle | hmm ok i will try that |
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| 04:36.30 | Wolfcastle | but rcconf only seems to be able to change services run when booting |
| 04:36.41 | Wolfcastle | how about configuring runlevel 2 and 3? |
| 04:37.25 | b-04 | mmmm |
| 04:37.41 | b-04 | i downloaded and installed flash 10 |
| 04:38.10 | b-04 | and, i run opera and put about:plugins , and say "no plugisn found" :S |
| 04:38.18 | b-04 | installation is suceful |
| 04:38.51 | Pavlz | i did well asking daddy to buy the unit dvd-ram on ebay to Hong Kong |
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| 04:44.25 | Wolfcastle | i recommend sysv-rc-conf for managing runlevels |
| 04:44.28 | Wolfcastle | really nice interface |
| 04:44.47 | ``y7 | wols, i found what you were talking about and i went to /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ and i tried opening the README with joe and it came up as a bunch of funny characters. is there a diff program i need to open the read me? |
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| 05:12.51 | karsten | pauljr: Yeah: cdburn |
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| 05:13.02 | karsten | Pavlz: erm, cdrecord |
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| 05:15.30 | coil | how do i debian |
| 05:15.45 | tralala | dpkg, hey |
| 05:15.45 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 05:15.58 | karsten | coil: That's a *brilliant* ad campiang suggestion, thank you. |
| 05:16.02 | tralala | dpkg, botsnack |
| 05:16.02 | dpkg | tralala: thanks |
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| 05:16.29 | karsten | smells a troll.... |
| 05:16.41 | karsten | coil: What's your question? Intersting set of channels. |
| 05:17.05 | coil | im having trouble with fglrx... |
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| 05:17.12 | dalias | ``y7, maybe it's README.gz in which case it's gzipped |
| 05:17.19 | dalias | try zcat README.gz|less |
| 05:17.27 | karsten | !tell coil about fglrx |
| 05:17.33 | karsten | coil: What sort of trouble? |
| 05:17.42 | dalias | also emacs probably automatically opens gzipped files |
| 05:17.44 | dalias | :) |
| 05:17.50 | coil | it's not detecting the video card |
| 05:17.59 | coil | hold on let me get the (EE) |
| 05:18.01 | karsten | dalias: ass does less with 'lesspipe' package installed. |
| 05:18.08 | dalias | ass? |
| 05:18.22 | lindenle | is there a way to PXE boot if I do not control my own dhcp service |
| 05:18.27 | dalias | oh maybe "as" |
| 05:18.41 | coil | (EE) end of block range 0x1fffffff < begin 0xe0000000 |
| 05:18.49 | coil | (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 05:19.31 | ``y7 | ty dalias |
| 05:20.20 | ham5 | I like girls |
| 05:20.44 | dalias | you're in the wrong channel then |
| 05:20.55 | CVirus | lol |
| 05:20.58 | dalias | #debian just has boys, not even boys pretending to be girls |
| 05:21.09 | ham5 | :( |
| 05:21.09 | CVirus | true ... no girls involved in this philosophy |
| 05:21.14 | dalias | if you want the latter, try efnet :) |
| 05:21.28 | yareckon | efnet has philosophy |
| 05:21.30 | yareckon | ? |
| 05:21.38 | dalias | no, it has boys pretending to be girls :) |
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| 05:21.52 | coil | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 9610 (prog-if 00 [VGA]) BusID "PCI:1:5:0" |
| 05:22.03 | dalias | see: http://bash.org/?25511 |
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| 05:32.36 | karsten | dalias: Typoe. |
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| 06:04.48 | atari | hi |
| 06:05.21 | atari | is there a general problem with D945GCLF boards (the intel atom board) when inserting an additional pci graphic card? |
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| 06:12.45 | jdrake | When I try to install equivs, it is depending on 300mb (installed) worth of packages. I wonder why this needs so much, when the tutorial I am following is supposed to fit on a 256mb flash drive. |
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| 06:27.50 | neoice_ | anyone have experience with fixing syslog messages like: (root) AUTH (crontab command not allowed) |
| 06:28.04 | neoice_ | I added root to cron.allow, but to no avail. |
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| 06:29.00 | h1k0 | hi all debian master:) |
| 06:29.57 | h1k0 | can you help me to check the security hole on my machine? |
| 06:30.06 | neoice_ | possibly |
| 06:30.44 | h1k0 | my machine is janoko.blueline.co.id |
| 06:31.04 | jdrake | h1k0, tell us what the security hole is :p |
| 06:31.20 | h1k0 | :p |
| 06:31.32 | h1k0 | thats why i ask u guys:D |
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| 06:31.49 | h1k0 | because im a foolish boy:D |
| 06:31.56 | neoice_ | tell me more about this machine |
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| 06:32.52 | h1k0 | this is just reseach machine...and right now i want to learn how to setup good server:) |
| 06:33.10 | neoice_ | have you read the Securing Debian Manual? |
| 06:33.54 | jdrake | hmm, might this be of interest to someone as humble as myself? |
| 06:34.17 | h1k0 | so if u found the way to break down the machine...please inform me by email at riri.cutekid@gmail.com |
| 06:34.26 | neoice_ | also h1k0, its a bad idea to set up a machine on the internet unless you've already secured it |
| 06:34.31 | neoice_ | are you running any sort of firewall? |
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| 06:35.11 | h1k0 | yess...i already..but still in default...im using ubuntu UFW |
| 06:35.34 | h1k0 | please teach me guys |
| 06:35.38 | jdrake | ubuntu on a server and asking in #debian? |
| 06:35.45 | neoice_ | lawl |
| 06:35.50 | neoice_ | read the Securing Debian Manual. |
| 06:35.52 | neoice_ | every word. |
| 06:35.55 | neoice_ | twice. |
| 06:36.00 | coil | wheres that at |
| 06:36.06 | neoice_ | that'll give you a really solid grounding |
| 06:36.08 | jdrake | google |
| 06:36.16 | coil | !google |
| 06:36.16 | dpkg | from memory, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 06:36.20 | neoice_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:36.33 | h1k0 | ok guys...i try to found it |
| 06:36.34 | neoice_ | was hit #1 for securing debian manual |
| 06:37.12 | neoice_ | my current server setup runs a default DENY firewall, ssh-keys only, fail2ban and an integrity checker |
| 06:37.21 | neoice_ | and it makes me feel pretty safe |
| 06:37.57 | h1k0 | but can you help me to check my machine?:) |
| 06:38.04 | neoice_ | I probed it briefly |
| 06:38.16 | neoice_ | unless you need those mail servers facing outward, I'd close them. |
| 06:38.33 | neoice_ | but they replied 'filtered' and I cant connect directly to them so it looked fine |
| 06:39.05 | neoice_ | seriously, the Securing Debian Manual has a WHOLE section devoted to security tools |
| 06:39.17 | neoice_ | nessus + nmap = win |
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| 06:40.26 | h1k0 | ok...i already downloaded...ill read it |
| 06:40.42 | neoice_ | I'd recommend reading it twice |
| 06:40.58 | neoice_ | but then again, I'm really into security issues :P |
| 06:41.12 | coil | so have no pass on root? |
| 06:42.14 | h1k0 | ok.. |
| 06:42.16 | neoice_ | if you're the only user and root ssh logins are off.... I mean.... you could do WORSE things |
| 06:42.43 | neoice_ | pam_wheel :P |
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| 06:43.01 | neoice_ | or SELinux like the Coker play box |
| 06:43.08 | neoice_ | public root logins |
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| 06:43.20 | jdrake | Is SELinux actually reasonable to use for a normal server? |
| 06:43.50 | neoice_ | I'm subscribed to a few SELinux mailing lists and it seems like it causes way more headaches than it's worth |
| 06:43.53 | neoice_ | to me at least |
| 06:44.22 | neoice_ | I think for a really large multi-user system, it could be nice |
| 06:44.29 | ameyer | not to mention the NSA backdoor</tinfoil_hat> |
| 06:44.41 | neoice_ | because you could have really fine granularity over your staff / admins |
| 06:45.13 | neoice_ | ameyer: yeah, that creeps me out a bit... but isnt it still open source? |
| 06:45.27 | ameyer | neoice_: I think so |
| 06:45.35 | ameyer | and it was a lame attempt at a joke |
| 06:46.05 | neoice_ | they could conviently have removed a randomization feature ;) |
| 06:46.05 | ameyer | suspects there are a bunch of people combing over the SELinux code because of who wrote it |
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| 06:46.19 | neoice_ | that kind of thing doesnt get caught for a while |
| 06:46.29 | neoice_ | as we all know :P |
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| 06:50.40 | neoice_ | anyone have experience with fixing syslog messages like: (root) AUTH (crontab command not allowed) |
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| 06:54.31 | jdrake | I have a mount that doesn't want to dismount because it says its in use. There is nothing mounted underneath it, and lsof doesn't have anything. Any other way of forcing the dismounting? |
| 06:55.19 | bolt | jdavis: just umount -l |
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| 06:56.20 | jdrake | Ah, didn't know about -l, thank you |
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| 06:56.47 | bolt | jdrake: np. keep in mind that whatever is using it will be angry if you remove it, still |
| 06:57.02 | jdrake | naturally :p |
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| 07:01.18 | karsten | ameyer: No speculating allowed. |
| 07:03.05 | jdrake | What is the best guide to installing lenny on a flash drive? |
| 07:03.45 | karsten | jdrake: Installing *from* or *onto* a flash drive? |
| 07:04.00 | jdrake | onto, from a live lenny system |
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| 07:06.10 | pobega | Can anyone remind me, for GPG, how does one grab all the public keys from a public key server? |
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| 07:17.40 | karsten | pobega: You don't. |
| 07:17.53 | karsten | pobega: You can query a list of keys for which you know key IDs, identifiers, etc. |
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| 07:18.43 | karsten | pobega: What matters is the web of trust. For a given key, you may want to get the signatures for that key. If you're looking at the Debian keyrign, that's going to be a pretty substantial set of keys right there. |
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| 07:20.54 | karsten | pobega: Supposing you (for some strange reason) wanted all those keys: gpg --recv-keys $(gpg --list-sigs | cut -c 14-21 | sort -u ) |
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| 07:21.09 | pobega | I think I know what is wrong, actually. |
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| 07:21.14 | pobega | Mutt isn't liking PGP config lines |
| 07:21.23 | pobega | Error in /home/pobega/.muttrc, line 157: pgp_default_version: unknown variable |
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| 07:22.57 | karsten | pobega: That would be your problem. |
| 07:23.22 | karsten | pobega: May have been deprecated. I don't see that in my mutt manual (/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz |
| 07:23.25 | karsten | ) |
| 07:23.39 | karsten | jdrake: Google for that. |
| 07:24.17 | jdrake | karsten, I have and I haven't found anything that would be specific to lenny. I have found some old ones that don't seem to work very well with a lenny install. |
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| 07:38.33 | pobega | urgh I can't figure out the mutt config. |
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| 07:41.21 | karsten | jkimball4: OK. Yeah, no real guidance here, sorry. |
| 07:41.29 | karsten | jdrake: ^ |
| 07:41.41 | karsten | pobega: What are you trying to do? The defual tShould Just Work. |
| 07:42.28 | pobega | Well I copied some muttrc from a site, but it still just isn't getting the keys. It's always telling me "pgp signature could not be verified" |
| 07:43.00 | pobega | It's not even trying, even though I have the configuration. |
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| 07:47.52 | pobega | How do I set a PGP server? It isn't even QUERYING the server to identify the key |
| 07:48.11 | nxmehta | automount question- when trying to cd into a usb key dir that's automounted, and the usb key isn't plugged in, the directory disappears? i am using the --ghost flag, so shouldn't the directory stay around? |
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| 07:49.59 | et | pobega: ~/.gnupg/options |
| 07:50.25 | pobega | et: That file doesn't even exist. |
| 07:50.38 | et | pobega: so? |
| 07:50.42 | et | create it |
| 07:50.49 | pobega | Although, gpg.conf does |
| 07:51.17 | pobega | Jeez. I didn't remember having this much trouble last time I configured GPG. |
| 07:52.50 | et | hmm. looks like gpg.conf is the common name *shrug* |
| 07:53.01 | et | it's named "options" here |
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| 07:57.19 | pobega | Makes sense. |
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| 08:00.24 | pobega | Well, GPG signing is work |
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| 08:00.33 | pobega | working, but receiving isn't.* |
| 08:01.57 | jelly-home | receiving what? |
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| 08:02.14 | pobega | Authenticating signatures |
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| 08:03.15 | jelly-home | pobega: do you have a trust chain down to the signing key used? |
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| 08:03.48 | pobega | jelly-home: All I did was setup a key, and then try to setup mutt so that when I read mails it fetches the keys (Not to trust them, but just to verify them) |
| 08:04.31 | jelly-home | ah, verify them against whatever was on the public keyserver? |
| 08:04.42 | pobega | yep |
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| 08:06.46 | jelly-home | has never looked for a way to automatically fetch a missing key |
| 08:07.09 | pobega | Damn. My old setup used to work, but I don't have the config atm |
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| 08:07.16 | beardy | throws a key into the channel |
| 08:07.20 | beardy | jelly-home: Go fetch! |
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| 08:08.04 | et | pobega: well, then set the keyserver and the option auto-key-retrieve in your config file |
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| 08:08.36 | karsten | pobega: Can you verify a key just on the commandline? |
| 08:08.55 | andriijas | i have apt-get installed powernowd on my laptop to make use of speedstep but it doesnt lower the fan speed when needed. is there anyway to make debian lower the laptop fan speed when the cpu is not going for full? |
| 08:08.57 | pobega | et: muttrc or gpg.conf? |
| 08:09.14 | pobega | karsten: I am not exactly sure *how* to do it, I am very new to this whole GPG/PGP thing, really :[ |
| 08:09.21 | et | gpg ... |
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| 08:10.33 | pobega | Oh. That was the problem. |
| 08:10.37 | pobega | It was commented out in gpg.conf |
| 08:10.42 | pobega | Thanks a lot et |
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| 08:12.13 | karsten | pobega: Heh. |
| 08:12.13 | karsten | pobega: You also eneed IIRC to have a keyserver listed in ~/.gnupg/options |
| 08:12.56 | pobega | Yeah, I checked for that, I just wasn't aware there was an option for auto recieving, I thought Mutt handled that. |
| 08:13.14 | karsten | pobega: gpg --keyserver keys.pgp.mit --recv-keys 8DE4D38E |
| 08:13.39 | karsten | pobega: ... should get my key. Try that with *no* --keyserver argument to see if gpg itself is set up properly. |
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| 08:14.00 | pobega | Now, one final question. How do I make a key encrypted so that only people who's keys I signed can read it? (Or however it works...I am probably wrong and will come across as stupid) |
| 08:14.09 | karsten | pobega: gpg --list-sigs on that key should show a list of keys. |
| 08:14.20 | pobega | I got yours, yeah. |
| 08:14.24 | pobega | Without --keyserver |
| 08:14.24 | karsten | You don't encrypt keys. You encrypt cleartext ;-) |
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| 08:14.33 | pobega | That is what I meant, email, not key |
| 08:14.35 | karsten | OK, so gpg is set up properly. |
| 08:14.37 | pobega | It is just too late for me :] |
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| 08:15.36 | karsten | pobega: You want to *sign* your key (self-sign) just to verify it. Export the signed key if you plan on making it public. |
| 08:15.40 | sarefo | how do i check a disc for errors? |
| 08:16.13 | loralitilli | hi, currently i am using quanta+ for editing my webapps ... i just want to know if there is an alternativ to quanta+, ya know, with source-completion and so on, but a bit lightweight and not a kde app ... |
| 08:16.31 | pobega | How do I get my ASCII armored key so I can submit it to a keyserver? |
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| 08:17.03 | mars | when i upgrade my ubuntu with apt-get it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58714/ can you help me to resolve it? |
| 08:17.23 | et | !ubuntu |
| 08:17.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 08:17.58 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 08:20.16 | jelly-home | pobega: --export --armor |
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| 08:22.45 | karsten | pobega: Sorry, really flaky connection here. |
| 08:22.56 | karsten | pobega: You don't need to armor it to send it to a keyserver. |
| 08:23.04 | karsten | pobega: However: gpg --armor --export <keyid> |
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| 08:25.26 | pobega | Well I am doing it at http://pgp.mit.edu/ |
| 08:25.33 | pobega | but it's not working, bleh. |
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| 08:30.55 | andriijas | ok my laptop has a thermal zone according to acpi, the temperature is 41c so how can i lower the fan speed? |
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| 08:31.12 | slept | quitte_, please check your email, I NEED an response |
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| 08:31.35 | Delicates | Why would console login to a Linux box configured for LDAP authentication hang when NIC is disconnected? (passwd/group/shadow: files ldap) |
| 08:31.43 | Delicates | the login account is local |
| 08:31.52 | Delicates | hang also happens when you run "ps" command as well... it prints the output and then doesn't return to shell for a 2 mins |
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| 08:41.38 | jim_p | hi guys |
| 08:42.24 | jim_p | how can i upgrade packages that were held back and do not upgrade themselves EVEN with dist-upgrade? |
| 08:42.39 | wols | install them explicitly |
| 08:43.20 | karsten | Delicates: is /etc/nsswitch.conf 'files nis' or 'nis files' ? |
| 08:43.23 | OpenTokix | install wols explicitly |
| 08:43.49 | Delicates | karsten: files ldap |
| 08:43.56 | karsten | Delicates: Try setting 'files' first. IMVAO, LDAP perms for local accounts is a complete and total PITA. |
| 08:44.00 | karsten | Delicates: Hrm. |
| 08:44.01 | jim_p | wols: like? sudo apt-get install -f package? |
| 08:44.14 | wols | jim_p: no. just install the package |
| 08:44.21 | karsten | Delicates: Not something I'm particularly versed on debugging. |
| 08:44.30 | wols | jim_p: and you should ask #ubuntu |
| 08:45.02 | Delicates | karsten, I used to have "common ldap" and it would hang on username entry. After I switched it to "files ldap" username goes through, but hangs on password entry |
| 08:45.15 | jim_p | wols: sudo apt-get install package ONLY? this does not work |
| 08:45.24 | wols | jim_p: #ubuntu |
| 08:46.03 | jim_p | wols: oh come on! i am running debian and i am trying to help an ubuntu friend |
| 08:46.14 | wols | jim_p: fuck off |
| 08:46.20 | jim_p | hahahahahaha |
| 08:46.25 | jim_p | wols: why? |
| 08:46.36 | wols | you have a ubuntu problem and this is #debian. and you LIED |
| 08:46.39 | jim_p | do you want a proof that i run debian? |
| 08:46.48 | jim_p | this is an apt problem! |
| 08:46.49 | wols | I want you to stop talking to me |
| 08:47.00 | jim_p | ok sorry :( |
| 08:47.05 | wols | and both the apt and the shitty packages are from ubuntu |
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| 08:47.20 | jim_p | apt is debians invention! |
| 08:47.35 | wols | puts jim_p on ignore |
| 08:47.42 | bolt-work | i run debian and i'm trying to help a friend fix his car. someone please help me connect the fuel injection. |
| 08:47.51 | bolt-work | ... |
| 08:48.03 | jim_p | lol |
| 08:48.07 | wols | bolt-work: congratas for the worst analogy today |
| 08:48.17 | jim_p | oh come on! its apt! its the very same thing |
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| 08:48.44 | Penix | jim_p: just go ask #ubuntu already. there's nothing for you here |
| 08:48.55 | jim_p | i asked there! |
| 08:49.15 | bolt-work | !they don't know |
| 08:49.15 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 08:49.20 | jim_p | jim@lenny:~$ uname -r |
| 08:49.20 | jim_p | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 08:49.20 | jim_p | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.24 | jim_p | ooops |
| 08:49.48 | bolt-work | wols: what's so bad about it? i just woke up. sorry. |
| 08:50.12 | jim_p | can i complain for once? |
| 08:50.28 | bolt-work | wols: except for the fact that cars are less related to debian than ubuntu is... |
| 08:50.33 | bolt-work | which is obvious |
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| 08:50.59 | jim_p | ok |
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| 08:52.51 | jim_p | i have asked many times for help here FOR ME. sometimes i got a proper answer that helped me a lot, but most of the time the answer was "use debian stable"! is this how the community should treat a guy out there that uses its distro and helps other people with similar ones? |
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| 08:54.41 | jim_p | is this how the community treats people that do the testing and unstable "development" in order to make a top-notch stable distro? |
| 08:54.52 | jim_p | ask yourselves and answer me |
| 08:56.40 | jim_p | thats what drives peole away from here (the channel) and for help somewhere else where they can help and be helped. i am sorry to admit, but i am not some linux guru there. i do admit that i am a debian "lab rat" that some greek user said |
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| 08:58.37 | jim_p | i hope everything that i said will make you think a bit more like humans and a bit less like developers. i am sure my words hurt someones egos, i am sorry about that. have a nice day |
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| 08:59.01 | wols | finally |
| 08:59.05 | freebeer | jim_p: now why would i want to do that? You appear to be so pissed-off that you cannot effectively be reached in a verbal manner. Why don't you chill? |
| 08:59.26 | freebeer | Grumpy old man there? |
| 08:59.41 | wols | a guy who disliked that we don't support ubuntu problems |
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| 09:00.18 | freebeer | Then he might want to go somewhere more ubuntu-like, eh? |
| 09:00.41 | freebeer | Oh well... |
| 09:00.44 | wols | ubuntu people don't have a clue and can't help him. him. just don't feed him |
| 09:00.53 | wols | -him |
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| 09:01.08 | Dakylla | hi |
| 09:01.09 | freebeer | :) |
| 09:01.11 | jim_p | what else do i need to do to prove you i am on debian!? |
| 09:01.18 | Dakylla | im searching for a password creation tool please |
| 09:01.30 | Dakylla | something creating mneminic passwords |
| 09:01.56 | Dakylla | i mean not passwords like "QLdAm8eb" |
| 09:02.01 | jim_p | i you want me not to enter ubuntu, done! but please help me when i cant figure something out myself |
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| 09:02.07 | Dakylla | those are to difficult to remind |
| 09:02.44 | SlayerXP | Dakylla: pwgen can produce "pronounceable" passwords. |
| 09:03.38 | jim_p | sorry guys, i really regret for my attitude |
| 09:04.12 | mhymn | Dakylla: and i recommend to read some articles about "password strenght" and create one yourself |
| 09:04.19 | jim_p | i will be here if you want me to answer anything |
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| 09:04.37 | Dakylla | SlayerXP: thanx |
| 09:04.45 | Dakylla | mhymn: i'll give it a look |
| 09:05.18 | Dakylla | mhymn: by the way where can i find this reading please ? |
| 09:05.42 | wols | in a good book about craptography |
| 09:06.09 | mhymn | Dakylla: though its not a debian specific question, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength |
| 09:07.48 | Dakylla | mhymn: thx |
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| 09:10.55 | themill | Dakylla: "man 1 passwd" has some tips on how to create your own secure passwords as mnemonics. |
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| 09:12.58 | Dakylla | Tp4tci2s4U2g!: <b>T</b>he <b>p</b>assword for (<b>4</b>) <b>t</b>his <b>c</b>omputer <b>i</b>s too (<b>2</b>) <b>s</b>trong for you to (<b>4U2</b>) <b>g</b>uess<b>!</b> |
| 09:13.02 | Dakylla | oops |
| 09:13.10 | Dakylla | sorry |
| 09:13.25 | themill | I guess you won't be using that one any more. |
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| 09:14.47 | neoice_ | heh |
| 09:15.12 | Coke | Hi! Does someone else experience Iceweasel as the slowest and most cumbersome piece of software ever used? Is there a proper "firefox"-like clone in Debian that doesn't make my 64-bit system behave like a 286 when surfing? |
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| 09:15.34 | simonrvn | v3 |
| 09:15.38 | neoice_ | coke: firefox is just pretty bloaty |
| 09:15.54 | Coke | neoice_: still a lot faster than the debian iceweasel |
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| 09:16.34 | neoice_ | coke: as far as I know, the code base is identical, they just removed any reference to the trademark Firefox |
| 09:16.40 | Coke | neoice_: that's odd |
| 09:16.55 | neoice_ | you can probably download a linux firefox from mozilla |
| 09:17.06 | Coke | It's so slow and cumbersome that it's unusable at times. |
| 09:17.28 | neoice_ | firefox does that on many systems |
| 09:17.31 | neoice_ | except my macbook |
| 09:17.34 | Coke | It doesn't |
| 09:18.11 | Coke | Haven't experienced anything like this since 1997 when when running Mozilla on my old 200mhz box |
| 09:18.21 | Dakylla | themill: it was an example for wikipedia strong password example |
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| 09:18.58 | Coke | I've been on probably more than 200 systems since then, never seen mozilla/firefox be this slow. It's the slowest I've seen any graphic interface draw since I accidentally started Java on my cellphone. |
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| 09:20.10 | neoice_ | coke: try it in a different window manager? |
| 09:20.30 | Coke | neoice_: why? |
| 09:21.07 | wols | Coke: what X videodriver do you use? |
| 09:21.09 | neoice_ | I dunno, there could be more factors at work on this particular system/configuration |
| 09:21.29 | Coke | wols: radeon |
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| 09:21.35 | Coke | neoice_: absolutely not |
| 09:21.55 | wols | Coke: are you really really sure? |
| 09:21.56 | Coke | neoice_: 1) why aren't other programs as slow, 2) why has this window manager worked for 10+ years for me without slowing things down? etc |
| 09:22.02 | wols | ire have you checked? |
| 09:22.03 | Coke | wols: I'll double check |
| 09:22.10 | neoice_ | really? you've used this on an identical machine with the same software setup? |
| 09:22.18 | wols | cause slow (re)draws sounds like vesa |
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| 09:22.42 | Coke | wols: yes, it's the autogenerated conf, it says the device name is ATI Xpress 200G and the driver is radeon |
| 09:22.51 | Coke | wols: I have to check the log |
| 09:23.23 | wols | what the conf says is meaningless |
| 09:23.36 | Coke | wols: no it isn't, you set the driver there |
| 09:23.56 | wols | what you set and what it uses are two drifferent things, duh! |
| 09:24.29 | wols | Coke: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:24.44 | Coke | wols: not in this case, it actually sets the one specified |
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| 09:25.08 | flami | Hi, when I use the firmware ( copy it to /lib/firmware/ ) of my ipw2200 booting my pc takes a lot longer (+- 40 seconds ) then without, obviously its the only way to have wlan. Does anyone have an idea what could cause that? Im using lenny, 2.6.26. |
| 09:25.34 | Coke | wols: I used VESA before, it was the same, actually. |
| 09:25.48 | Coke | wols: but the logs clearly specify the radeon driver is setting up the screens and initializing |
| 09:26.15 | Coke | wols: but in iceweasel, when I scroll text and there's like 4 images on the page, it takes around 1.5-2 seconds for every update. |
| 09:27.01 | wols | is still waiting for an answer |
| 09:27.36 | Coke | wols: 2.7-13 |
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| 09:34.01 | trumpen | is there a way to obtain the date in which a package has been updated/installed/removed? I am currently grepping /var/log/dpkg* ... |
| 09:34.27 | simonrvn | dpkg.log aptitude log |
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| 09:35.24 | trumpen | simonrvn, thanks, I am going to try the aptitude way |
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| 09:36.05 | simonrvn | if you haven't been using aptitude there won't be any record... |
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| 09:41.05 | trumpen | simonrvn, hmmm, that's bad. I suppose aptitude update won't work in this case... |
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| 09:43.55 | simonrvn | dpkg.log not satisfactory? (tbh i haven't looked at it i a while...) |
| 09:44.00 | simonrvn | in a* |
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| 09:46.01 | Farhadix | hi guys, how enable an rs-232 mouse in debian? |
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| 09:56.52 | ttl- | hi |
| 09:58.09 | ttl- | is there a GUI app to manual mount removable devices in gnome ? |
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| 10:02.11 | Farhadix | ttl-, right-click on your panel(top of screen) and select "Add to Panel" and select "Disk Mounter" |
| 10:06.22 | ttl- | Farhadix: GREAT :) thanks |
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| 10:06.51 | Farhadix | ttl-, :) |
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| 10:15.34 | der-robert | hello. i have a problem configuring dualhead. |
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| 10:18.57 | ma3x | is there a program that just by pressing a key takes a snapshots and stores it immediately? |
| 10:21.08 | jelly | ma3x: bind something like "scrot" to a global shortcut? |
| 10:21.24 | ma3x | thanks jelly |
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| 10:22.31 | DocMAX | hello, i have a debian machine.. i want to make it a full dsl router with wlan access point... can anyone help me? |
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| 10:25.54 | der-robert | my xorg.conf is at http://nopaste.info/19a2acbf45.html |
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| 10:26.38 | wols | DocMAX: making it a dsl router is very easy: ipmasq and ndsmasq. making it an AP is more tricky. not all WLAN cards work in AP mode and you will need to configure a lot more manually |
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| 10:26.54 | der-robert | what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:27.36 | wols | der-robert: etch? |
| 10:28.09 | der-robert | yes. |
| 10:28.21 | wols | !tell der-robert about errors |
| 10:29.30 | der-robert | lspci output is at http://nopaste.info/644a8ff12b.html |
| 10:31.08 | DocMAX | wols, if ei figure out to make it an access point. what tools do i need to make portforwarting work? |
| 10:31.39 | simonrvn | DocMAX: he just told you. ipmasq and dnsmasq |
| 10:31.59 | DocMAX | and a dhcp server.. or not? |
| 10:32.38 | simonrvn | probably useful, not essential. |
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| 10:33.52 | remoteCTR1 | can someone pls tell me the precise current kernel version of etch? |
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| 10:35.15 | simonrvn | 2.6.18 2.6.24 |
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| 10:36.17 | hjb | anyone is using debian lenny on a thinkpad? |
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| 10:36.36 | hjb | I've got a strange problem with my battery |
| 10:36.55 | hjb | And i think it started after a recent update |
| 10:37.50 | remoteCTR1 | simonrvn: 2.6.18-what polease? |
| 10:38.13 | remoteCTR1 | (that is what i meant with precise;) ) |
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| 10:40.11 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 10:40.12 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 10:40.24 | simonrvn | go see there |
| 10:40.29 | simonrvn | packages. |
| 10:40.39 | wols | DocMAX: dnsmasq is a dhcp server |
| 10:40.53 | wols | remoteCTR1: depends on platform |
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| 10:41.12 | remoteCTR1 | wols: now how's that? |
| 10:41.29 | wols | do what simonrvn said |
| 10:41.56 | DocMAX | ok... what do i have to do when i buy my new wireless-n stick and connect it to my debian server? |
| 10:42.00 | neoice_ | anyone have experience with fixing syslog messages like: (root) AUTH (crontab command not allowed) |
| 10:42.08 | remoteCTR1 | 2.61.8-6 then, thanks guys |
| 10:42.14 | DocMAX | just plugin and apt-get install ipmasq and dnsmasq? |
| 10:42.35 | DocMAX | when make a pppoe connection... |
| 10:42.40 | DocMAX | when=then |
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| 10:43.12 | DocMAX | will ipmasq detect the new wlan0 if? |
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| 10:43.18 | DocMAX | how does it all work? |
| 10:43.31 | Laeborg|Lap | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/torrentflux/download - can i use this on etch ? |
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| 10:44.02 | paxcoder | !vrms |
| 10:44.02 | dpkg | vrms is probably The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 10:44.38 | paxcoder | I just installed new Debian, there was no vrms pre-installed, should we chg this entry? |
| 10:44.54 | paxcoder | *and more importantly: why isn't vrms pre-installed? |
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| 10:49.46 | wols | paxcoder: caues there is no non-free software in debian. can't be |
| 10:49.58 | wols | Laeborg|Lap: no. /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:50.26 | wols | DocMAX: you run ipmasq after the pppoe conection is up |
| 10:50.32 | wols | DocMAX: and yes it will then |
| 10:51.07 | wols | DocMAX: as for wlan draft-n: tehre is no support for draft-n in linux |
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| 10:59.29 | paxcoder | wols: but it was included in it before? |
| 11:00.01 | wols | what was included? |
| 11:00.09 | neoice_ | hmm... I want to upgrade to lenny, but I'm kinda scared... |
| 11:00.15 | neoice_ | the liveCD failed to boot in my machine |
| 11:00.32 | wols | you can run lenny with the tch kernel if all fails |
| 11:00.56 | neoice_ | this is true. |
| 11:00.58 | paxcoder | wols: vrms |
| 11:01.05 | wols | paxcoder: why would it? |
| 11:01.16 | paxcoder | wols: I don't know. I dpkg said so |
| 11:01.30 | paxcoder | ok, will correct it then |
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| 11:06.58 | neoice_ | hmm.. the following packages are broken: apt-utils libc6 libc6-i686 locales |
| 11:07.12 | neoice_ | I assume thats why I'm supposed to update dpkg and aptitude first. |
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| 11:10.48 | buntfalke | hi |
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| 11:11.40 | paxcoder | notices buntfalke said hi |
| 11:12.18 | neoice_ | astute |
| 11:12.22 | buntfalke | how come i could use the e1000 driver instead of e1000e up to including .26.6 and with 27.1 i have to use e1000e? Shouldnt it have never worked with e1000 to begin with? |
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| 11:21.05 | littlefaggot- | hello. i am indeed a littlefaggot. and no im not trolling, i just want to know wich program i can use to record my desktop actions. im making a tutorial |
| 11:23.42 | hjb | littlefaggot- google "debian screencast" second hit |
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| 11:24.09 | littlefaggot- | thanks hjb |
| 11:24.18 | hjb | littlefaggot- found it? |
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| 11:25.11 | littlefaggot- | hjb yes. im checking it atm |
| 11:26.35 | buntfalke | littlefaggot-: have a look at wink |
| 11:27.09 | buntfalke | littlefaggot-: plus, i think you'd be better of without the comment "i am indeed a littlefaggot. and no im not trolling" in the future... |
| 11:27.54 | paxcoder | agrees very much |
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| 11:28.39 | needhelp | my ext3 filesystem had some errors, i start gparted from a debian live cd and check the filesystem for errors, now a lot of files from /home/* are in /lost+found is there an easy way to recover them |
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| 11:29.38 | buntfalke | I always thought what's in lost+found is already recovered? |
| 11:29.48 | abrotman | needhelp: put them back with the correct names |
| 11:30.07 | buntfalke | needhelp: "file" and similar tools might be of help |
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| 11:30.16 | littlefaggot- | buntfalke i just assumed someone wouldve asked if i were indeed a littlefaggot |
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| 11:31.33 | buntfalke | littlefaggot-: It's best to keep things impersonal, to stick to the topic, and focused on the actual problem. Avoids stupid discussions with no use. Just asking the question would have been better I'd say :-) |
| 11:32.14 | littlefaggot- | ill take that i mind next time :) |
| 11:32.18 | abrotman | like this discussion? |
| 11:32.27 | buntfalke | abrotman: Kind of, yes. |
| 11:32.36 | paxcoder | littlefaggot-, dunno how you figured that. |
| 11:32.53 | paxcoder | abrotman, nah, this one prevents future ones. that's its point :-P |
| 11:33.02 | abrotman | of course .. a "better" nick would avoid that altogether |
| 11:33.11 | buntfalke | agreed |
| 11:33.32 | paxcoder | agreed 3 |
| 11:33.39 | littlefaggot- | i have no problems with what i am so i use it proudly |
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| 11:34.00 | needhelp | abrotman: there are thousand files and folder, should i had to look at each file/folder to recover it, is there no easy way for it |
| 11:34.10 | paxcoder | littlefaggot-, ...right |
| 11:34.37 | buntfalke | needhelp: Yes, there is: Make more backups! |
| 11:35.10 | hjb | <hjb> why the h*** do you tell that everyone? |
| 11:35.10 | hjb | <littlefaggot-> HAHAHA just trying to spice up the morning :) |
| 11:35.10 | hjb | <littlefaggot-> but im inded NOT a littlefaggot lol |
| 11:35.17 | abrotman | drop it already |
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| 11:35.29 | abrotman | needhelp: you could guess if that's easier :) |
| 11:36.56 | needhelp | is it possible to install debian from a debian live cd to the hd |
| 11:37.24 | littlefaggot- | hjb you know you can get help for that condition right? |
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| 11:38.43 | bxf | My screen resolution is 1440x900, but under GDM login window and Fluxbox, the screen appears to be larger than this resolution |
| 11:38.56 | bxf | I have to move the mouse to see the bottom bar for example. |
| 11:39.03 | wols | bxf: what driver? |
| 11:39.15 | bxf | wols, nvidia binary |
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| 11:39.35 | bxf | how to make the virutal screen size match the actual resolution? |
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| 11:40.40 | bxf | wols, ? |
| 11:41.24 | wols | bxf: dpkg -l ¦ grep nvidia |
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| 11:41.56 | wols | bxf: ratehr, dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 11:42.06 | bxf | wols, I downloade nvidia binary driver (legacy), and there is no nvidia package. |
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| 11:42.21 | wols | bxf: we do not support that driver from nvidia.com |
| 11:42.23 | FR33L4NC3 | On my NSLU2 I got a 1TB HDD, parted in a 25GB root (/) 512MB Swap 25GB home (/home) and a 949,5 GB data (/data) that's how I formated it... Now, how do I acces /data, cuz I cannot find it..:S |
| 11:42.27 | bxf | wols, don't blame me. I am under windows right now |
| 11:42.29 | wols | and there are ways to get nvidia drives in lenny |
| 11:42.44 | wols | bxf: I don't blame you, we just don't support the software you chose |
| 11:43.01 | wols | FR33L4NC3: fdisk -l |
| 11:43.13 | bxf | wols, no. I meant Gdm and Fluxbox, but under gnome, the screen size is ok |
| 11:43.28 | wols | bxf: I don't care! ask #nvidia |
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| 11:44.17 | FR33L4NC3 | wols: And than... I cannot CD to dev#... (I'm completele new to console OS) |
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| 11:44.36 | wols | FR33L4NC3: you don't need to cd there. you need to mount it |
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| 11:44.45 | wols | FR33L4NC3: man fstab |
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| 11:45.04 | FR33L4NC3 | ah.... mount it... I'v done it before on ubuntu... a while ago.. |
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| 11:46.12 | [limey]NanCyb0i | FR33L4NC3 and while you are at it. try mount this horse too |
| 11:46.13 | [limey]NanCyb0i | ROFLMAO |
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| 11:46.43 | wols | [limey]NanCyb0i: please stay on topic |
| 11:46.44 | FR33L4NC3 | :P I already got that mount... :P |
| 11:47.22 | FR33L4NC3 | how do i quit the fstab manual page? |
| 11:47.33 | karsten | FR33L4NC3: 'q' |
| 11:47.33 | FR33L4NC3 | DOH... q |
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| 11:47.49 | karsten | FR33L4NC3: ... or hit the power button ;-) |
| 11:48.11 | FR33L4NC3 | I'm not physicly at my debian machine |
| 11:48.18 | FR33L4NC3 | I cannot hit it... ;( |
| 11:48.58 | FR33L4NC3 | Still how do I mount /dev/sda4 (my 0.95TB /data partition) |
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| 11:49.24 | paxcoder | FR33L4NC3, mount /dev/sda4 /media/usb4 |
| 11:49.31 | paxcoder | what's the command for SIGTERM? |
| 11:49.43 | bxf | how to make the virutal screen size match the real screen size? |
| 11:49.57 | FR33L4NC3 | paxcoder: Why /usb4 ?? |
| 11:50.03 | wols | bxf: ask #nvida |
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| 11:50.09 | paxcoder | FR33L4NC3, cause it's kewl |
| 11:50.15 | FR33L4NC3 | DOH |
| 11:50.15 | paxcoder | you have to mkdir first tho |
| 11:50.23 | FR33L4NC3 | so i can also /usb1 it? |
| 11:50.26 | paxcoder | yep |
| 11:51.13 | FR33L4NC3 | so i make a dir in /dev/sda4/media called 'whateverIwant' and then I can mount the partition in it... |
| 11:51.13 | [limey]NanCyb0i | im having some big time fun with this guy dpkg. shit that guy is fast |
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| 11:52.59 | FR33L4NC3 | paxcoder: somehou it doesn work... |
| 11:53.16 | FR33L4NC3 | NSLU2-Debian:/dev# mount dev/sda4/media/usb |
| 11:53.16 | FR33L4NC3 | mount: can't find dev/sda4/media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 11:53.18 | paxcoder | FR33L4NC3, did you do it under root, and did you make the directory first? |
| 11:53.27 | FR33L4NC3 | i su-ed |
| 11:53.38 | paxcoder | I didn't say mount dev/sda4/media/usb |
| 11:53.44 | paxcoder | I said: mount dev/sda4 /media/usb |
| 11:53.52 | paxcoder | actually: mount /dev/sda4 /media/usb |
| 11:53.52 | FR33L4NC3 | :D oops |
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| 11:53.57 | FR33L4NC3 | i see the differents |
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| 11:54.34 | cx42net | Hi there ! |
| 11:54.38 | abrotman | [limey]NanCyb0i: leave the bot alone |
| 11:54.56 | FR33L4NC3 | If my disk has 4 partitions (/, swap, /home & /data) howmany usb dirs will debian make in /mount |
| 11:55.08 | cx42net | I'm looking for someone that can help me in postfix configuration. (I didn't find a postfix channel, that's why I'm here) |
| 11:55.22 | FR33L4NC3 | cuz i got usb, usb0, usb1, usb2 & usb3 |
| 11:55.28 | abrotman | cx42net: uh .. #postfix ? |
| 11:55.30 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, you don't to manually mount USB disks, they automount under Lenny |
| 11:55.41 | abrotman | cx42net: you can try here if you like, but #postfix does exist |
| 11:55.43 | cx42net | abrotman: ok ... hum .... |
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| 11:56.08 | cx42net | abrotman: I search on their website, and I didn't find it, that's why i thought there was no chan :s |
| 11:56.16 | cx42net | abrotman: thanks so ;) |
| 11:56.23 | FR33L4NC3 | bxf: then how do I access my /data partition? |
| 11:56.47 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, the format of that partition is? |
| 11:56.57 | FR33L4NC3 | bxf: ext3 |
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| 11:57.28 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, as root, type mkdir /mnt/data |
| 11:58.04 | bxf | then mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/data |
| 11:58.10 | bxf | suppose your device name is sda1 |
| 11:58.14 | FR33L4NC3 | so I do have to mount it |
| 11:58.19 | FR33L4NC3 | sda4 ectualy |
| 11:59.19 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, some windows managers do that for you. Gnome does it for me. |
| 11:59.31 | bxf | I guess it is udev function. anyone? |
| 12:00.14 | FR33L4NC3 | bxf: I'm running Debian on my NSLU2 |
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| 12:00.46 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, so just manually mount it for now. and then add an entry to /etc/fstab |
| 12:00.48 | FR33L4NC3 | I got no gnome or whatever window manager there possibly is for debian |
| 12:00.50 | bxf | that's it. |
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| 12:01.41 | FR33L4NC3 | what entry do i add |
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| 12:03.07 | bxf | /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda4 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 12:03.53 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, add it and type mount -a |
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| 12:04.12 | [limey]NanCyb0i | i have a question. i know is broadly offtopic. but seems here there are pretty informatic science related so here it is. will "the grid" from CERN lower the latencies between countrys? or just increase the data rate |
| 12:04.29 | FR33L4NC3 | if I nano fsteb, it say |
| 12:04.29 | FR33L4NC3 | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 12:04.30 | FR33L4NC3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.36 | FR33L4NC3 | what does this mean |
| 12:04.49 | wols | it means it's already in your fstab and listed |
| 12:05.05 | FR33L4NC3 | so... it was already mounted? |
| 12:05.08 | wols | !tell freespace about grounding |
| 12:05.11 | wols | no it's not mounted |
| 12:05.18 | FR33L4NC3 | ah |
| 12:05.29 | DocMAX | who has a nslu2? |
| 12:05.37 | FR33L4NC3 | I do |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | !tell [limey]NanCyb0i about ot |
| 12:05.51 | bxf | FR33L4NC3, changes options into ext3 instead |
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| 12:05.57 | bxf | and the type mount -a |
| 12:05.58 | DocMAX | can i play mp3 when i buy an usb soundcard? |
| 12:06.05 | abrotman | why not? |
| 12:06.07 | DocMAX | on nslu2 |
| 12:06.33 | bxf | DocMAX, it has a driver support |
| 12:06.39 | wols | DocMAX: #hardware |
| 12:06.39 | DocMAX | has nslu2 enough power? |
| 12:06.45 | wols | DocMAX: wrong channel |
| 12:06.46 | bxf | DocMAX, if it has a driver support |
| 12:07.19 | FR33L4NC3 | bxf: I change 'rs,user,noauto' into 'ext3' or do I add ext3? |
| 12:07.39 | wols | freespace: neither. the entry is right as it is |
| 12:07.53 | wols | and you don't want to change it or edit any part of your fstab |
| 12:07.53 | FR33L4NC3 | I don't get it... |
| 12:08.28 | wols | mount /media/usb3 and you're done |
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| 12:09.52 | FR33L4NC3 | I've added /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda4 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 to fstab... I save it and I'm done? |
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| 12:11.38 | fourlastor | hi all |
| 12:11.54 | wols | freespace: no |
| 12:11.59 | fourlastor | i've a problem with my mouse |
| 12:12.12 | fourlastor | i've tried to make my extra buttons working on debian |
| 12:12.21 | fourlastor | and i've managed it |
| 12:12.27 | wols | freespace: your fstab is already correctly configured without you editing anything at all |
| 12:12.40 | wols | !tell fourlastor about enter |
| 12:12.49 | fourlastor | uh? |
| 12:12.56 | wols | !enter |
| 12:12.56 | FR33L4NC3 | DocMAX: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/HomePage |
| 12:12.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 12:13.10 | fourlastor | ok |
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| 12:14.07 | fourlastor | but now it releases right click event by itself, event if mouse is not connected, i've tried to restore previous settings but it didn't changes |
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| 12:16.45 | JPT|Telnet | hi, debian just mounted my partition as read-only due to some disk errors... i removed them with fsck, but how can i remount / as rw ? |
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| 12:17.53 | Eulex | -o rw |
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| 12:18.17 | Eulex | -o remount,rw actually |
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| 12:18.30 | JPT|Telnet | i'll test it... i'm still confused, what caused the journal abort on ext3fs... |
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| 12:19.07 | JPT|Telnet | mount: block device /dev/sda5 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 12:19.50 | JPT|Telnet | that's what i'm told if i do mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 12:19.59 | JPT|Telnet | any ideas ? |
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| 12:20.22 | JPT|Telnet | (maybe i'd search an irc client that's better than telnet...) |
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| 12:21.45 | bastian_ | Hello |
| 12:21.47 | paxcoder | JPT|Telnet, are you sure you didn't lock/disable/hold the USB drive manually? (that is usb drive, eh?) |
| 12:21.58 | paxcoder | *manually: asin hardware wise |
| 12:22.05 | bastian_ | Iam using etch and want to reinstall a package |
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| 12:22.19 | bastian_ | apt-get alway says Not replacing deleted config file |
| 12:22.31 | bastian_ | But i want to have the config files |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | !tell bastian_ about confmiss |
| 12:22.40 | bastian_ | apt-get --purge didnt help |
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| 12:22.47 | bastian_ | confmiss also not |
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| 12:23.29 | abrotman | bastian_: which package? you're probably doing the wrong package |
| 12:23.37 | bastian_ | nagiosgrapher |
| 12:23.44 | bastian_ | from backports |
| 12:23.48 | abrotman | and which conf file is missing? |
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| 12:24.30 | bastian_ | all in /etc/nagiosgrapher/* |
| 12:24.41 | bastian_ | The folder does'nt exist at the moment |
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| 12:25.08 | JPT | aah... got an irc client, that's not refusing to start |
| 12:25.22 | JPT | is back |
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| 12:26.05 | abrotman | bastian_: if you look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagoisgrapher.conffiles .. do you see the files you want ? |
| 12:26.16 | JPT | it's important for you to know, that /dev/sda5 is NO usb, it's a s-ata hdd , which i used to mount as / |
| 12:26.18 | JPT | but even after an fsck on it, it refuses to remount with rw |
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| 12:27.13 | neoice_ | suppose I want to use the default exim install to forward all the root mail to an external mail server, where would I start? |
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| 12:27.57 | mquin | neoice_: put "root: your@address" in /etc/aliases |
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| 12:29.12 | neoice_ | mquin: the external server requires authentication though |
| 12:29.17 | bastian_ | @ abrotman no there isnt such afile |
| 12:29.34 | FR33L4NC3 | with what command can i see howmany free/used space my partitions have? |
| 12:29.37 | abrotman | bastian_: where'd you get this package |
| 12:29.43 | bastian_ | backports |
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| 12:29.55 | bastian_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:29.59 | petemc | FR33L4NC3: df -h |
| 12:31.02 | bastian_ | If I reinstall nagiosgrapher the conf contains:/etc/init.d/nagiosgrapher |
| 12:31.02 | bastian_ | /etc/logrotate.d/nagiosgrapher |
| 12:31.30 | abrotman | bastian_: AFAICT .. it doesn't have files in /etc/nagiosgrapher/ |
| 12:31.32 | mquin | neoice_: see http://www.howtoforge.com/exim-authenticated-smarthost |
| 12:32.01 | neoice_ | thanks :) |
| 12:32.41 | Standalf | hi, I need help with CHMOD, I'm a newbie and I need just following thing: I have tremded, a file in usr/... and I need to launch another tremded, that is in else directory... tremded launches the tremulous server and this script is written in start-server.cfg then I can just write ./start-server and it's launched. Friend told me to use chmod, but I don't know how, I need help please... start-server.cfg now looks like that: |
| 12:32.42 | Standalf | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:32.42 | Standalf | nohup ./tremulous-server & |
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| 12:33.10 | wols | !tell Standalf about permissions |
| 12:34.03 | Standalf | I can't read dozen tutorials and learn that, I just need to write it to launch server. Please help me |
| 12:36.47 | Standalf | no answer, really helpful people |
| 12:37.16 | FR33L4NC3 | petemc: And how about format... If I'd like to format my mounted (/media/usb3) /dev/sda4 ext3 partition... what command do i give |
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| 12:38.37 | petemc | FR33L4NC3: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda4 , how did you mount it if its not formatted? |
| 12:38.44 | wols | Standalf: if you want guaranteed help, pay someone. and if you are lazy, why shouldn't we be lazy too? |
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| 12:39.37 | FR33L4NC3 | It is formatted... in ext3... but I want to empty it... it seems to have used 200MB of it's space |
| 12:39.58 | wols | FR33L4NC3: no |
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| 12:40.15 | FR33L4NC3 | wols: sure is |
| 12:40.25 | Standalf | wols: I thought it's easy 1 line for advanced linux users, but now I think you can only tell me: read this and this this this, maybe in 2 hours you will do it... |
| 12:41.01 | petemc | Standalf: you dont have to read half a dozen tutorials, one shoudl suffice |
| 12:41.10 | JPT | okay.... it is still not willing to remount my / as rw... are there some workarounds that might do ? |
| 12:41.11 | wols | Standalf: stop whining |
| 12:41.23 | wols | !tell JPT about errors |
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| 12:41.54 | JPT | i can paste the first line of dmesg thats about the error that caused my problem.. |
| 12:41.57 | FR33L4NC3 | petemc: Do I need to unmount it if I want to (re) format it? |
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| 12:42.23 | JPT | 1st Error: EXT3-fs error (device sda5): htree_dirblock_to_tree: bad entry in directory #296950: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0, inode=169937442, rec_len=2595, name_len=36 |
| 12:42.50 | wols | JPT: so that's what you get when you try to mount? interesting |
| 12:43.07 | JPT | no...that's only a part of the truth.. |
| 12:43.21 | JPT | due to that error, he remounted my / as read-only |
| 12:43.23 | wols | JPT: no it's BS and not pertinent |
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| 12:43.51 | [limey]NanCyb0i | abrotman why you did that? |
| 12:44.07 | abrotman | i told you why .. and you're offtopic in here again |
| 12:44.07 | neoice_ | mquin: so its smarthost OR local? there's no AND ability? |
| 12:44.20 | JPT | and if i try to remount the device, i'm just told, that the device would be write protected... so it will be mounted as ro |
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| 12:44.43 | wols | JPT: reboot already |
| 12:44.55 | JPT | okay... i'll do... |
| 12:45.20 | [limey]NanCyb0i | abrotman anyway. there was no reason to do that. i mean it was the offtopic channel, i wen ther to get. um i dont know... off-topic? |
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| 12:45.31 | [limey]NanCyb0i | nvm anyway. |
| 12:45.47 | Corvi | Is there a german IRC Channel abount debian? |
| 12:45.52 | abrotman | !tell Corvi about de |
| 12:45.53 | Corvi | about* |
| 12:45.53 | FR33L4NC3 | what is the best textbased webbrowser? |
| 12:46.01 | wols | !best |
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| 12:46.01 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 12:46.50 | FR33L4NC3 | I got lynx installed... but it keeps ascing a lot of questions... |
| 12:47.16 | FR33L4NC3 | so if you should use a text based webbrowser... witch one would you use |
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| 12:48.15 | wols | polls |
| 12:48.17 | wols | !polls |
| 12:48.17 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:49.01 | JPT | okay, it's working... |
| 12:49.03 | JPT | are theres some tools that tell me, if my s-ata hdd is fine ? |
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| 12:51.48 | wols | JPT: smartmontools |
| 12:52.08 | mquin | neoice_: could you elaborate a bit - I'm not clear on what your question is |
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| 12:53.19 | neoice_ | mquin: well, it would be nice if exim would keep a copy on the localhost and forward a copy externally |
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| 12:55.07 | FR33L4NC3 | why is there a percentage on a partition for superuser, and (how) can it be decreased or deleted? |
| 12:55.15 | mquin | neoice_: you can use a comma-separated list in the ailases file |
| 12:55.18 | Hiall | trying to setup nameservers I'm curious do i have to make /etc/bind/zones/master/ns1.host.com.db file as well as the one i created for /etc/bind/zones/master/host.com.db?? As the host.com.db is working but I'm getting "has no address" errors for ns1/ns2 |
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| 12:55.38 | mquin | neoice_: e.g. "root: localuser, remoteuser@remotesystem" |
| 12:55.49 | neoice_ | mquin: when you do dpkg-reconfigure, it has options for smarthost or local |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | FR33L4NC3: you can change it, but i wouldn't remove it completely. it's there as a safety precaution. |
| 12:56.51 | mquin | neoice_: when you're configuring exim4-config pick "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
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| 12:59.16 | neoice_ | mquin: do you happen to know if exim retries and its interval? my host graylisted me :P |
| 12:59.42 | FR33L4NC3 | simonrvn: How can I change it? |
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| 12:59.56 | FR33L4NC3 | simonrvn: At the momen it is 200M large |
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| 13:00.26 | mquin | neoice_: it does. "exim4 -brt address" will tell you what the retry rules apply for the address in question |
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| 13:02.03 | mquin | neoice_: see http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.69/doc/html/spec_html/ch32.html for an explanation of the retry rules |
| 13:02.44 | simonrvn | FR33L4NC3: tune2fs for ext2/ext3/ext4, otherwise check the relevant manual page |
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| 13:07.08 | ronr | is it possible to store metadata with a file (any type) stored on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 13:07.44 | kang_ | i'm looking for a tool that let you edit ELF section headers. i knew one but impossible to find the name again. its pretty obscure and no google or package.debian.org search helps =/ |
| 13:08.18 | JPT | argh... the ext3 journal just got shot again -.- |
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| 13:18.11 | jelly | ronr: you can store arbitrary extended attributes (xattr) |
| 13:18.49 | jelly | ronr: it's a whole different story whether an application will actually look at those |
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| 13:28.07 | ronr | jelly: what package can I use to read / write those extended attributes? |
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| 13:35.50 | neoice_ | mquin: since you seem to be such an exim expert, what topic in the docs should I look under if I want to change the return path of my root mailings? |
| 13:36.36 | neoice_ | I think I found it, nvm |
| 13:37.35 | jelly | ronr: hm, I can't find a canonical set of utilities I expected to exist... there's python-xattr (in testing/unstable only) that provides /usr/bin/xattr |
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| 13:38.19 | ronr | jelly: thx |
| 13:39.14 | FR33L4NC3 | "The protocols doesn't match" |
| 13:39.14 | FR33L4NC3 | This message give TMSNC me when I try to login... what should I do? |
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| 13:43.01 | Pupeno | Can an installation of Mediwiki hold more than one sites? |
| 13:43.01 | sussudio | mumbles and curses |
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| 13:43.31 | nkuttler | Pupeno: #mediawiki ? |
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| 13:49.41 | Pupeno | nkuttler: they will problably tell me "f*ck those Debian packages, just copy some files, it's a much superior install mechanism and you can copy them a 100 times to have a 100 sites". |
| 13:50.27 | mquin | neoice_: the 'correct' place to do that on debian is /etc/email-addresses |
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| 13:52.59 | nkuttler | Pupeno: oh, you're using debian packages... |
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| 13:55.26 | Pupeno | nkuttler: yes, otherwise it's a mess of manual updates and upgrades. |
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| 13:58.50 | EgS | I've just installed a second sata-controller in my box. now udev sometimes takes the first disk of that controller as /dev/sda, so my box won't boot... any proper way to fix this? |
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| 13:59.14 | JPT | first you can try to make it boot by changing the boot parameter |
| 13:59.53 | EgS | right... this might also be a grub config issue |
| 13:59.53 | JPT | then you might adapt your grub config that it will boot again without any changes |
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| 14:04.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:04.11 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
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| 14:05.32 | jelly | [[:blue:]] |
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| 14:07.46 | liable | heh |
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| 14:14.21 | EgS | JPT: I think passing a different root= option isn't the proper fix as it's quite indeterministic which controller is used for /dev/sda so it can always end up the same way with a different disk label |
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| 14:14.38 | JPT | mhh.. |
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| 14:15.05 | JPT | yeah... i often do not care about proper or not proper fix as long as it works.. |
| 14:16.16 | EgS | jeah the thing is that this is a headless box... so I just want to make sure it _always_ boots and not only most of the times... |
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| 14:16.56 | EgS | http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2006/08/11/stable-root-device-aka-uuid/ <-- ah that sounds helpfull |
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| 14:19.21 | masus | hi all, can anyone recommmend me an "access point" for radius server with debian |
| 14:21.43 | torrr | http://pastebin.com/m7505a618 anyone knows this? |
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| 14:23.03 | Python1320 | Â Â Â Â Â |
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| 14:25.44 | tymonn | which is the current kernel version? |
| 14:25.49 | tymonn | 2.6.27 is on lenny or sid? |
| 14:25.53 | Python1320 | Â Â Â Â Â |
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| 14:29.32 | avu | tymonn, no, both are at .26 and my guess would be that it stays this way for lenny |
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| 14:35.39 | dv_ | hi |
| 14:35.55 | dv_ | kaffeine is utterly broken in testing? |
| 14:36.03 | dv_ | "loading the xinepart failed" |
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| 14:38.13 | tymonn | avu: yes, i think that lenny freezed to "squeeze" when it was on .26, when will it unfreeze? |
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| 14:38.52 | xand | !locale |
| 14:38.53 | dpkg | [locale] set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 14:39.41 | xand | hm |
| 14:39.54 | johndoe | listening to: Atc - Around The World |
| 14:40.14 | simonrvn | tymonn: it won't "unfreeze", it's getting released.... |
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| 14:40.34 | simonrvn | and past tense is froze, not freezed |
| 14:40.53 | xand | http://paste.debian.net/19435/ what would cause this to appear whenever installing packages on a newly built etch machine? |
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| 14:41.47 | Usiu | Hi |
| 14:42.06 | Usiu | Can someone tell my why reiser4 is not in kernel ? While we have development version of ext4 ? |
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| 14:42.38 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 14:43.03 | tymonn | simonrvn: do u know the exact date? |
| 14:43.29 | simonrvn | !lenny pool |
| 14:43.29 | dpkg | methinks lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 14:43.30 | xand | nevermind, I have generated those locales, though dunno why the problem arose |
| 14:43.35 | xand | !reiser4 |
| 14:43.35 | Kovensky | Usiu: blame namesys (and their flamewar with the kernel devs) |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | reiser4 is probably If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
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| 14:43.56 | nootoyahora | yesterdar night I updated my debian (testing version) and the kernel package upgrade (2.6.26-1) did broke, now, when it loads iy hangs up after the dots... what does it eman? anybody has the same problem? |
| 14:44.31 | simonrvn | what dots? |
| 14:44.50 | simonrvn | what do *you* mean? |
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| 14:46.07 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, when the kernel starts to buut up, when it is unzipping, in the screen you can see a line of dots... |
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| 14:47.33 | Ravn | hi guys, I recently learned that strace can be used to see what files and sych a program accesses. Now I have a binary that caomplained that it can not find a file, so I tried to see where it was looking for it and strace printed a line like open("${prefix}/share/h5utils/colormaps/gray", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT, so now I wonder how to interpret this. What is the ${prefix}? Some variable I get it, but where does it come from, can |
| 14:48.07 | jthomas | my kernel upgrade to 2.6.26-1-686 worked fine but it has caused my virtualbox to stop working |
| 14:48.08 | et | !lenny bet |
| 14:48.08 | dpkg | to add a bet to the lenny pool, /msg dpkg lenny pool 2 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when lenny pool 2 is filled create lenny pool 3 and update this factoid. |
| 14:48.12 | et | !lenny pool 2 |
| 14:48.24 | simonrvn | use /msg |
| 14:48.32 | nootoyahora | jthomas, my problem is that the new kernel does not even boot up |
| 14:48.37 | et | there is no lenny pool 2 ;) |
| 14:48.46 | simonrvn | nootoyahora: i think you need to describe it better than that... i mean, that's a very vague description. |
| 14:48.52 | simonrvn | !wait for root |
| 14:48.52 | jthomas | nootoyahora thats painful |
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| 14:49.36 | simonrvn | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 14:49.36 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 14:49.37 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, there is no more description... when the kernel is decompressing in the procces of boot up, the screen goes dark and the computer freezes... no logs, no nothing |
| 14:49.52 | et | however, i'm surprised noone has bet on "when it's ready" yet |
| 14:49.58 | nootoyahora | jthomas, I know it is paiinful, I don't know waht to do about it to search what can it be |
| 14:50.05 | simonrvn | oh i see now. ick. that's awful. boot to your other kernel |
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| 14:50.41 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, I boot to toher kernel (how do you think I'm chatting?) but... what can I dso to know waht's happening with the other kernel? |
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| 14:51.31 | simonrvn | i'd just write that one off, and see if there's an update. go see the bts in the meantime. |
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| 14:52.28 | nootoyahora | simonrvn, I refer to... don't know.. logging something or something l |
| 14:52.30 | nootoyahora | ike that |
| 14:52.39 | simonrvn | if there aren't any bugs filed, then file one, i'd score it high prio too |
| 14:53.01 | simonrvn | s/prio/severity/ |
| 14:53.03 | nootoyahora | there is one bug filed I think |
| 14:53.57 | xerxes | s/bug/fiasco/ |
| 14:54.08 | simonrvn | xerxes: heh |
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| 14:54.51 | EgS | stupid question: is there xfs support per default in debian? |
| 14:55.06 | abrotman | in the kernel .. yes |
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| 14:56.17 | EgS | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:56.54 | EgS | abrotman: seems I only forgot to install xfsprogs :) |
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| 14:57.06 | abrotman | that would help |
| 14:57.53 | xand | wonders why his eth1 has a billion ipv6 addresses |
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| 14:58.04 | et | because it can! |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | xand: you used them all! |
| 14:58.20 | xand | how are they allocated there? I didn't set them |
| 14:59.16 | EgS | abrotman: jeah definitely ;) I had a gut feeling when I started my question with "stupid question:" ;) |
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| 15:04.52 | WolvBite | why does debian xfce lenny, load screen 1's background on top of screen zero |
| 15:05.06 | WolvBite | I don't even have two screens |
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| 15:11.46 | js_ | what's the proper way to upgrade libc6 from etch to the one in lenny? it wants to delete util-linux, but i don't dare do that |
| 15:12.00 | js_ | has it been renamed or replaced in lenny? |
| 15:12.24 | et | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 15:12.24 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 15:12.43 | et | hmm |
| 15:12.45 | js_ | et: i don't want to go completely to lenny, i just want a newer glibc |
| 15:13.08 | masus | hi all, can anyone recommmend me an "access point" for hotspot , radius server with debian |
| 15:13.16 | et | that is just asking for big trouble |
| 15:13.24 | simonrvn | js_: um. you can't do that. |
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| 15:13.57 | simonrvn | (technically you can, but you're going to be rebuilding the entire system if you do) |
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| 15:14.18 | js_ | simonrvn: alrighty, i feared that :/ |
| 15:15.38 | themill | !wayttd js_ |
| 15:15.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, js_? |
| 15:15.51 | js_ | simonrvn: is there an approximation on when lenny is released, or is it still wir? |
| 15:15.59 | themill | js_: "I need a newer libc6" is usually a sign that you're doing it all wrong. |
| 15:16.00 | js_ | themill: run an application that requires a newer version of glibc |
| 15:16.05 | simonrvn | wir |
| 15:16.05 | js_ | it's binary |
| 15:16.15 | js_ | ok |
| 15:16.24 | themill | js_: you could try a lenny chroot then. |
| 15:16.26 | simonrvn | then backport it or rm it |
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| 15:16.42 | themill | only if the source is available |
| 15:16.46 | simonrvn | or that |
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| 15:20.38 | js_ | or i could upgrade to lenny. but the box is remote and i have no way of controlling it other than via ssh, so i don't reall dare |
| 15:21.29 | themill | js_: etch->lenny isn't that bad. I've done it a few times over ssh now. I presume you don't have X installed so you don't have to worry about that. |
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| 15:21.45 | stew | is the dockbook-xml bug fixed? |
| 15:22.55 | stew | nope |
| 15:23.02 | simonrvn | has done etch->lenny upgrade over ssh also |
| 15:23.11 | js_ | on semi-old machines? |
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| 15:23.19 | themill | stew: I've never actually seen it though. It's not reproducible which is one of the reasons it's not fixed. |
| 15:23.38 | themill | stew: it's also quite recoverable. |
| 15:23.49 | stew | yeah, we tried to reproduce it at the BSP and failed |
| 15:24.31 | simonrvn | js_: on a machine that was made last century. what would that have to do with anything? |
| 15:24.32 | themill | stew: it is unfortunately real though. There have been a few people in here who've had it. |
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| 15:25.07 | guysoft422 | hey, does anyone know hot to solve this error: symlink has no referent: "/apt" (in debian-jhbuild) . i want rsync to follow the symlink |
| 15:25.09 | js_ | simonrvn: well, i tried a 2.6.24 kernel a while ago, and it wouldn't boot with the same settings as 2.6.18. i guess something else changed in the kernel that i didn't configure |
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| 15:25.44 | themill | js_: is this building your own kernel or using a debian kernel? |
| 15:26.09 | js_ | themill: my own, using a debian config and kernel-package |
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| 15:27.36 | themill | js_: I presume that you see some advantage in doing that. |
| 15:28.10 | js_ | themill: i need to change the preemption settings |
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| 15:28.42 | js_ | themill: is there was a debian "realtime" kernel or such, i would use it instead |
| 15:28.47 | js_ | if* |
| 15:28.58 | themill | ahh |
| 15:29.31 | De_Mon | I've got the package 'python' installed, but it's at version 2.4... How do I upgrade to 2.5? |
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| 15:29.55 | \amethyst | De_Mon: install python2.5 |
| 15:30.19 | \amethyst | De_Mon: still, /usr/bin/python will be version 2.4 until lenny |
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| 15:30.47 | De_Mon | \amethyst that doesn't update 'python' |
| 15:30.55 | De_Mon | hrm |
| 15:31.09 | \amethyst | De_Mon: no, it doesn't. upgrading to lenny is the only way to make 2.5 the default |
| 15:31.21 | stew | De_Mon: right. if you have a script that needs to run under python2.5, change the shebang to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 15:31.21 | themill | De_Mon: use /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 15:31.24 | Supaplex | why not use a backport? |
| 15:31.33 | stew | Supaplex: becuase its far from trivial to backport |
| 15:31.37 | themill | Supaplex: can't be done |
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| 15:31.45 | Supaplex | good reason |
| 15:31.56 | jthomas | why not link /usr/bin/python away from /usr/bin/python2.4 and to /usr/bin/python2.5 ? |
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| 15:31.59 | De_Mon | hrmm I thought that I was looking at the etch package but it musta been pulling that info from lenny instead |
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| 15:32.25 | Supaplex | sources sources, check your sources. ;) |
| 15:32.32 | themill | jthomas: because the assumption is made that /ust/bin/python is python 2.4. If it were that easy, it would have been done. |
| 15:32.36 | stew | jthomas: becuase lots of things that have #!/usr/bin/python would break when their python modules are suddently missing since python-central/python-support won't have compiled them |
| 15:32.49 | themill | jthomas: the 2.4->2.5 transition in sid took a few weeks to get right |
| 15:32.58 | stew | was it only weeks? |
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| 15:33.22 | themill | stew: counting mass package removal as the end :) |
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| 15:34.58 | De_Mon | how do I understand why libdb4.5 has to be installed when upgrading 'python' to unstable? |
| 15:36.07 | De_Mon | i guess I need to know which package depends on it... |
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| 15:38.01 | De_Mon | hmm, maybe rdepends will tell me |
| 15:39.01 | themill | De_Mon: aptitude why python libdb4. |
| 15:39.04 | themill | 5 |
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| 15:41.55 | js_ | themill: typical, the machine didn't boot :( |
| 15:42.12 | themill | js_: debian's kernel or home grown? |
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| 15:42.18 | js_ | lenny's |
| 15:42.35 | themill | :( |
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| 15:43.29 | stew | De_Mon: probably because of the core bsddb python library |
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| 15:43.53 | dv_ | so in testing, dvbt does not work at all :( |
| 15:44.25 | dv_ | w_scan can detect frequencies, but NO player can actually tune successfully |
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| 15:44.55 | dv_ | how can something like this even pass from unstable to testing? |
| 15:44.58 | dv_ | this is such an obvious bug |
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| 15:50.00 | haxi | http://pastebin.ca/1229449 anyone have a clue of what package I miss? |
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| 15:51.24 | SlayerXP | haxi: the package for whatever it is you're trying to compile |
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| 15:55.42 | wols | haxi: FULL output |
| 15:55.54 | wols | haxi: and in english. /msg dpkg localized errors |
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| 16:06.01 | untitled | hello. if there an openvz patch for 2.6.26? |
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| 16:07.31 | untitled | is there* |
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| 16:10.47 | MrKeuner | hi all, I am recently having problem that whenever I insert the first cdrom after reboot name of the cd-rom does not change even when I replace the cd-rom with another. What may be the problem? Using Gnome |
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| 16:11.42 | qubodup | clear |
| 16:11.47 | qubodup | I mean hi |
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| 16:31.43 | dandc | is it possible to both use ksplice and keep aptitude from getting confused about packages on etch? |
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| 16:35.05 | wols | dandc: where is your ksplice from? |
| 16:35.27 | dandc | wols: haven't installed ksplice, but it would be from backports |
| 16:35.39 | wols | then there is no confusion |
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| 16:35.54 | wols | apt won't be confused |
| 16:36.16 | dandc | so I'd just aptitude install <kernel update>, and it will use ksplice, or do I source it, and call ksplice on that? |
| 16:36.27 | themill | judd: versions ksplice |
| 16:36.28 | judd | themill: ksplice: 0.8.7-1 (lenny) 0.9.0-1 (sid) |
| 16:37.02 | dandc | after looking, it appears there isn't a ksplice in backports. d'oh. |
| 16:37.08 | themill | indeed. |
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| 16:42.33 | dandc | hmm... how does one compile ksplice to integrate with aptitude/ |
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| 16:46.29 | d00fus_ | >.< |
| 16:46.30 | wols | !tell dandc about ssb |
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| 16:48.30 | dandc | whoah, that manual backporting from sid... is that safe for something that modifies the kernel? |
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| 16:49.30 | wols | what do you think an etch backport from backports.org is? |
| 16:50.16 | dandc | I think it's something that some who knows far more than I sanity-checked :) |
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| 16:53.46 | savid | Hi, I wanted to apply a patch to nautilus, so I got the nautilus source (using apt-get source nautilus), put the patch in debian/patches, and used dpkg-buildpackage to build the .deb. I installed the deb and everything's great, though my update manager now thinks nautilus needs updating. How do I prevent this? Is there a way to bump the version? |
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| 16:55.56 | wols | !tell savid about hold |
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| 16:57.02 | prograss | how to get hdd type (scsi or sata) in ssh ?? |
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| 16:59.47 | wols | prograss: dmesg? |
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| 16:59.59 | savid | wols, thanks! though, I just tried "sudo aptitude hold nautilus", and refreshed update-manager, and it still says I have pending updates for nautilus :-p |
| 17:00.05 | wols | or when you see what controller it uses |
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| 17:08.11 | JordiGH | So this kbd package is supposed to be used for remapping keys, right? |
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| 17:09.04 | steampunkey | JordiGH, they say so I guess... I can't remember if it did any good to me |
| 17:09.28 | JordiGH | I gotta exchange my ctrl and menu key. |
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| 17:11.02 | steampunkey | JordiGH, if you had an class M keyboard from IBM, that would be fast. and you wouldn't need to exchange 50% of those |
| 17:11.11 | dalias | :) |
| 17:11.13 | JordiGH | It's a laptop. |
| 17:11.26 | JordiGH | And the M keyboards don't have the super key, which I find essential for Compiz. |
| 17:11.33 | dalias | #1 laptop buying criterion should be: does the keyboard suck? |
| 17:11.36 | JordiGH | Otherwise, those keyboards are gold. |
| 17:11.40 | steampunkey | JordiGH, i'm sure you can configure it |
| 17:11.47 | dalias | compiz is shit |
| 17:12.01 | dalias | but anyway |
| 17:12.08 | steampunkey | dalias, a laptop with a class M. that would be hardcore |
| 17:12.10 | dalias | kbd is useless for X |
| 17:12.23 | JordiGH | dalias: That was actually my first priority. The only suck thing is that the right ctrl is in an uncomfortable position. And compiz is an awesome window manager. Forget the eye candy: it's actually very useful. |
| 17:12.25 | dalias | you need to read about xkb and x keyboard configuration |
| 17:12.26 | steampunkey | dalias, what is it useful for then? |
| 17:12.35 | dalias | there's no package you need |
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| 17:12.41 | dalias | you just need to read about configuring x |
| 17:12.42 | JordiGH | dalias: No, my xmodmap is fine. It's just for the ttys that my keyboard is full of suck. |
| 17:12.46 | dalias | oh |
| 17:12.54 | dalias | xmodmap.... |
| 17:12.59 | dalias | that is not the right way to configure x... |
| 17:13.03 | dalias | anyway |
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| 17:13.13 | nubbun | What tools are there for setting locale environment variables? |
| 17:13.14 | dalias | yes kbd can do the remapping for consoles, if you want |
| 17:13.18 | dalias | nubbun, eh? |
| 17:13.21 | dalias | you don't need a tool |
| 17:13.26 | dalias | just set the variables.. |
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| 17:14.12 | JordiGH | dalias: What is the right way to configure X? You say I should put that remapping into xorg.conf? |
| 17:14.40 | dalias | you should use xkb |
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| 17:14.58 | dalias | either via xorg.conf or via setxkbmap and friends |
| 17:15.00 | steampunkey | LOOL |
| 17:15.08 | steampunkey | wth? |
| 17:15.27 | dalias | xmodmap is from the 1980s and conflicts with international keyboard support |
| 17:16.32 | adb | JordiGH: for ttys use " install-keymap us" |
| 17:16.43 | adb | as root, sure |
| 17:16.44 | dalias | he wants to swap ctrl and menu.. |
| 17:16.54 | dalias | which will probably require writing a custom mapping file |
| 17:17.21 | jhr | guys, i got a problem with sound... |
| 17:17.27 | JordiGH | blegh |
| 17:17.36 | et | dalias: well, i haven't found an instruction how to translate xmodmap-stuff to setxkb-stuff |
| 17:17.40 | JordiGH | I can't figure out the setxkbmap manpage. |
| 17:17.40 | et | +yet |
| 17:17.44 | jhr | alsaconf runs perfectly but it doesn't work, though |
| 17:17.55 | JordiGH | Lunix fails. |
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| 17:18.00 | et | JordiGH: same with me, and that's the reason why I still use xmodmap ;) |
| 17:18.07 | dalias | jordigh, then go use windoze and don't bother us |
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| 17:18.23 | JordiGH | Hahaha... I wonder if you'd be baited by that, dalias. You were. :-) |
| 17:18.26 | dalias | re: xkb, you need to first understand the concept of xkb before you try to read the manpage |
| 17:18.49 | dalias | no, "if you don't like it go use something else" is not baited |
| 17:18.51 | et | when i read a manpage, i do so to understand concepts ;) |
| 17:19.10 | et | JordiGH: you're probably looking for xkbcomp though |
| 17:19.19 | JordiGH | dalias: "Windoze" -> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/7/22/ms/ |
| 17:19.26 | JordiGH | dalias: Laugh a little. :- |
| 17:19.28 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 17:19.49 | jhr | no one here to help me? |
| 17:20.12 | et | !doesn't work |
| 17:20.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:20.45 | JordiGH | dalias: Is there any xkb doc I can read? |
| 17:20.53 | jhr | et: no error message... alsaconf configures the sound card just fine but I don't hear anything |
| 17:21.01 | JordiGH | !alsa checklist |
| 17:21.01 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 17:21.02 | jhr | except beep from pc speaker ;) |
| 17:21.32 | et | </dev/urandom> /dev/dsp |
| 17:21.33 | et | ;) |
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| 17:23.21 | jhr | 1) done. 2) done. 3) done. 4) nothing running. 5) yes. 6) yes, different ones checked. 7) done. 8) no. |
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| 17:24.06 | jhr | et: ressource is in use (/dev/dsp) |
| 17:24.07 | prograss | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.18 | prograss | from bash |
| 17:24.26 | JordiGH | jhr: You sure nothing is muted? Sometimes I don't notice a weird channel somewhere in alsamixer being muted. |
| 17:24.51 | jhr | JordiGH: okay... doube checking... |
| 17:25.34 | jhr | no, nothing mute |
| 17:25.56 | adb | jhr: do "cat /etc/group |grep audio" |
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| 17:26.01 | JordiGH | prograss: If it's scsi, try "cat /proc/scsi/scsi". If it's ATI, I guess there must be something similar in /proc |
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| 17:26.41 | jhr | adb: grep audio /etc/group: audio:x:29:jhr |
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| 17:27.21 | adb | jhr: log out and log in again is done ? |
| 17:27.30 | jhr | even complete reboots |
| 17:27.40 | adb | nice |
| 17:27.57 | jhr | :-/ |
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| 17:28.09 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: wtf is an ATI harddrive? |
| 17:28.29 | jhr | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia |
| 17:28.40 | JordiGH | abrotman: wrong tla, ide. |
| 17:29.57 | JordiGH | Thing is ATA makes my hd, and then the TLAs got all mixed up in my head. |
| 17:30.04 | jhr | it's weird, isn't it? |
| 17:30.11 | et | jhr: lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
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| 17:30.42 | jhr | lsof | grep dsp find's nothing |
| 17:31.30 | adb | jhr: internal speaker ? |
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| 17:31.37 | jhr | what about it? |
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| 17:32.15 | jhr | it beeps some time... .) |
| 17:32.27 | adb | jhr: i have't here dsp , but a have sound |
| 17:33.06 | adb | have'n't * |
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| 17:33.39 | adb | dinner |
| 17:33.49 | moodog | evening all |
| 17:35.02 | jhr | so, you don't have any more ideas? |
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| 17:37.39 | jhr | crap |
| 17:38.00 | jhr | then I'm going... gotta get it to work somehow... :/ |
| 17:38.03 | jhr | thx, though! |
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| 17:44.15 | cire | May someone have a look at that: http://pastebin.com/m4287ba12 |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | feeds damog whiskas |
| 17:44.33 | cire | My PCI Card is recognized wrong on my Atom machine |
| 17:44.42 | cire | therefore it isn't working |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | cire: update-pciids ? |
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| 17:45.07 | cire | it's a fresh installed system... |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | but one says it's a DVB card network controller |
| 17:45.13 | abrotman | cire: update-pciids |
| 17:45.31 | cire | I'll try that. |
| 17:45.47 | abrotman | the pciids file that comes with etch is .. old |
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| 17:45.53 | damog | pushes abrotman to Nyle |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | ew .. coodies! |
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| 17:46.39 | cire | but my working PC is installed with the same CD |
| 17:47.34 | cire | I'm curious whether it will work now... |
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| 17:48.44 | cire | abrotman: still the same issue (after updating pciids) |
| 17:48.56 | abrotman | cire: lspci -nn .. paste it from both systems |
| 17:49.16 | cire | okay, I will need some time for that |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | you've got 10 seconds |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | GO! |
| 17:49.37 | cire | ;) |
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| 17:50.00 | cire | I did lspci -vv at that pastebin location I mentioned above |
| 17:50.07 | aixenv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.22 | NOTOKAY | can anyone tell me how to downgrade a package ? |
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| 17:51.45 | Anthro | A moment of comedy, referring to Evolution (the email client, and I didn't say this): "Well, I guess I know why they called it that, because it's sure not intelligent design." |
| 17:51.55 | Lovecraft | So what is it with Debian and X now days; why does it ignore huge chunks of what can go into xorg.conf to the point xorg.conf can be removed entirely with no complaints? |
| 17:52.09 | Brutus | are nvidia drivers installed by default, on a debian machine? and if not, is it easy to install? |
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| 17:52.38 | tuxcrafter | somebody here that knows how to staret totem-gstreamer with dvb from the commandline totem dvb: only seems to work with xine backen |
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| 17:53.48 | tuxcrafter | damm cpu load is 100% with totem-gstreamer |
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| 17:54.24 | Freddie` | hello guys |
| 17:54.31 | Freddie` | just a little question |
| 17:54.50 | Freddie` | has enybody ever installed debian from windows with the windows debian installer ? |
| 17:55.08 | Freddie` | is it a "safe way" to install debian ? |
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| 17:55.25 | Freddie` | my laptop doesn't have cdrom nor floppy, and can't boot from usb... |
| 17:55.52 | Anthro | Brutus: Not by default, but I believe they live in non-free and can be installed using module-assistant. It's been a while since I've done anything with them, though, so YMMV. |
| 17:56.01 | Freddie` | i alredy have a broken debian installation on another pertition, so grub is alredy installed... can i install debian from windows ? |
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| 17:56.48 | Brutus | Anthro: hmmm ok i need the latest nvidia drivers for the purpose of the system |
| 17:57.15 | Brutus | i'm not able to install ubuntu on the machine, but debian runs so smooth, so i'm gonna try to install those then, and compile the source of the ubuntu app and try to install it on debian |
| 17:57.16 | Anthro | Brutus: Get module-assistant first and see what version it finds. |
| 17:57.49 | clemente | How can I reduce the brightness of all colors of the screen (including white)? |
| 17:58.15 | aixenv | any issues with an audidy2 sound card? |
| 17:58.39 | Brutus | http://pastebin.com/m4aafabc3 <- made a small mistake somewhere. not able to write in the folder |
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| 17:59.41 | Brutus | ohhh i'm not able to write as a user in it, only as root... now that's weird |
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| 18:00.21 | NOTOKAY | can anyone tell me how to downgrade a package ? |
| 18:00.21 | Anthro | clemente: This is under X11? |
| 18:00.38 | Anthro | NOTOKAY: Carefully. Get the .deb of the version you want and use dpkg. |
| 18:00.47 | clemente | Anthro: X.org |
| 18:01.06 | Anthro | clemente: I believe there is a gamma setting in the xorg.conf. Check the docs. |
| 18:03.19 | Lovecraft | Speaking of which... |
| 18:03.23 | Lovecraft | So what is it with Debian and X now days; why does it ignore huge chunks of what can go into xorg.conf to the point xorg.conf can be removed entirely with no complaints? |
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| 18:04.06 | teratoma | where did updatedb and locate go ? |
| 18:04.29 | Anthro | Lovecraft: I have no answer for you. Are you removing it before starting the server and it still works, or are you removing it while the server is running? |
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| 18:04.55 | Lovecraft | Anthro: Before. |
| 18:04.57 | clemente | Anthro: I have just tried it and it does the same as the program xgamma: it changes most colours, but not white |
| 18:05.04 | Brutus | what is the correct way to mount ext3 /dev/sdb1 to /mnt/hdd2 and be able to let users write in the directory? i tried mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd2 but i wasn't able to write to it as a user |
| 18:05.28 | Brutus | and i don't wan't to login everytime as root |
| 18:05.32 | Anthro | clemente: You might just lower the brightness on the monitor. |
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| 18:05.54 | Anthro | Lovecraft: Dunno. |
| 18:06.13 | clemente | Anthro: the problem is that it doesn't work by hardware, the monitor is buggy (!) |
| 18:06.36 | Anthro | clemente: Wow, your monitor is too complex if it can have bugs in the brightness control. |
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| 18:07.41 | scient1 | what should i feed into attr -l to list the attributes for a entire folder/folder heirichy |
| 18:07.43 | Freddie` | if i type startx and see hex dumps, must i get worried ? |
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| 18:08.08 | scient1 | or attr -g ntfs.streams.list, im trying to see if a virus is using streams |
| 18:08.15 | clemente | Anthro: well, it has also bugs everywhere else, and funny translations, ... It is just a bad and crappy design, not too complex |
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| 18:08.50 | clemente | It doesn't even have a visible company name :-) |
| 18:09.02 | scientes | on ntfs, cause windows sucks atthat |
| 18:09.44 | clemente | Therefore I trust X.org/Linux more than the monitor for this task; however, white is still too bright |
| 18:10.08 | cire | abrotman: done: http://pastebin.com/m78d1024e |
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| 18:11.06 | Brutus | wow i figured something out myself :) it's chmod 777 /mnt/hdd2 |
| 18:11.31 | drakedevel | Is it known that openoffice.org-common is broken in debian experimental? |
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| 18:12.29 | cire | is this a PCIID: 13d0:2103 ? |
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| 18:14.25 | jelly | drakedevel: no bugs in bts? |
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| 18:15.41 | wols | cire: looks like it. just google it |
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| 18:16.05 | drakedevel | jelly: None that I see. There aren't that many |
| 18:16.20 | abrotman | cire: the PCIIDs are different |
| 18:16.35 | clemente | Any ideas for making the white pixels darker? I thought, maybe with Xgl... but maybe there are simpler solutions |
| 18:16.38 | cire | weird, isn't it? |
| 18:16.49 | cire | What can I do about this? |
| 18:16.56 | jelly | scientes: heh, where were you when a user asked for xattr tools an hour ago :-) |
| 18:16.59 | drakedevel | openoffice.org 3.0.0 depends openoffice.org-writer-3.0.0rc4 depends openoffice.org-common-3.0.0 conflicts openoffice.org-writer < 3.0.0 |
| 18:17.18 | drakedevel | only about 50% of the openoffice packages are 3.0 final, the other 50% are still rc4 |
| 18:17.29 | scientes | cool |
| 18:17.44 | drakedevel | which is kind of odd. This occurs on both of my debian machines in exactly the same manner |
| 18:17.45 | scientes | i though nobody would have a clue but at least someone knows what im talking about :) |
| 18:17.47 | jelly | drakedevel: how old are they? maybe they only built for some arch other than yours |
| 18:18.00 | drakedevel | jelly: Openoffice.org 3.0 came out about 5 days ago |
| 18:18.12 | jelly | drakedevel: I mean the packages |
| 18:19.12 | drakedevel | jelly: I can't find a timestamp. Less than a week |
| 18:19.27 | scientes | i just see that the only way of getting rid of the natorious 'vista antivirus' |
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| 18:19.51 | drakedevel | jelly: It's part of experimental (not testing) distro, so it's pretty fast turnover. I'm just surprised this showstopper is still around |
| 18:20.02 | scientes | i go through the timestamp logs but i cant delete key files, may a reinstall and then copying over those files from another install would work |
| 18:20.24 | scientes | im saying its probably those streams, which apparentally windows antivirus cant check |
| 18:20.26 | maligor | I updated to 3.0 just fine |
| 18:20.32 | maligor | from rc4 |
| 18:20.40 | drakedevel | maligor: really? I can't even do a clean install. |
| 18:20.58 | drakedevel | maligor: I threw open a new virtual machine and everything |
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| 18:21.36 | jelly | drakedevel: it doesn't sound like a showstopper to me, more like "we have uploaded all of it, yet" |
| 18:21.38 | maligor | just two seconday packages seem to be left over in 2.4.0-land |
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| 18:22.06 | drakedevel | jelly: It broke openoffice completely though (at least for me) |
| 18:22.06 | maligor | and openoffice.org-report-builder-bin is 3.0.0rc4-1 |
| 18:22.11 | maligor | the rest are 3.0.0-1 |
| 18:22.15 | jelly | drakedevel: then again I'm not actually using those, just making a general observation about the state experimental can be in |
| 18:22.22 | jelly | drakedevel: sucks to be you! |
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| 18:22.31 | jelly | !experimental |
| 18:22.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 18:22.44 | drakedevel | jelly: I'm aware of this |
| 18:22.50 | jelly | drakedevel: that's just for other people reading ;-) |
| 18:22.53 | drakedevel | ah |
| 18:23.11 | maligor | oo.. experimental, is that like ubuntu? |
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| 18:23.33 | jelly | maligor: it's more like "vee haff shiny new shit, sometimes some of it works" |
| 18:23.34 | maligor | anyway, it's amd64 I'm using |
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| 18:23.45 | maligor | and it works fine too |
| 18:24.09 | drakedevel | maligor: That might be it. apt-cache showpkg confirms that i386 still has 1:3.0.0~rc4-1 File: /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_experimental_main_binary-i386_Package |
| 18:24.16 | maligor | there's 3.0.0-2.. hmm |
| 18:24.23 | maligor | maybe that's broken, I'll see what happens if I update |
| 18:24.33 | drakedevel | Seems odd that amd64 has it before i386 :P |
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| 18:24.46 | drakedevel | or that they'd leave it half-uploaded for a week |
| 18:24.53 | jelly | just like I said, different arch has it all |
| 18:24.55 | maligor | bad mirror? |
| 18:25.01 | jelly | it's bloody experimental! |
| 18:25.12 | drakedevel | maligor: That would suck if ftp.us.debian is a bad mirror :P |
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| 18:25.16 | jelly | build it on your own if you want it that much |
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| 18:25.23 | maligor | well, ftp.fi.debian.org is a sucky mirror :P |
| 18:25.41 | simonrvn | jelly: YRLY |
| 18:25.42 | maligor | it sometimes gets very very slow weeks |
| 18:25.44 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 18:26.05 | maligor | have to wait days for my unstable fix |
| 18:26.06 | jelly | simonrvn: wanna bet it FTBFS on i386 :-) |
| 18:26.13 | Ace2016 | how do i check the email the login prompt keeps telling me about? |
| 18:26.24 | drakedevel | jelly: I was about to; I just wanted to check to see if there was an alternative |
| 18:26.26 | Ace2016 | wait whats wrong in unstable?? |
| 18:26.30 | maligor | drakedevel, well, now I have 3.0.0-2 installed |
| 18:26.40 | drakedevel | maligor: it's amd64 :P |
| 18:26.42 | Saar | hrm, I noticed linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf is causing some issues with some servers, or at least 2 servers after an upgrade had exactly the same issues whith the clock and would not allow any logins anymore |
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| 18:26.47 | Saar | argh |
| 18:27.06 | drakedevel | Although my computer /can/ run amd64, the fact that my system can't be pure 64 bit makes me nauseous |
| 18:27.08 | Saar | oops :) |
| 18:27.10 | simonrvn | jelly: probably did. i tried installing it last night for S&G and saw most of it was still rc- version. |
| 18:27.22 | jelly | gentlemen, synchronize your mirrors |
| 18:27.25 | maligor | the load times in the openoffice.org 3 are definately nice too |
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| 18:27.30 | Saar | i believe that kernel has a bug |
| 18:27.32 | simonrvn | maligor: you bastard! ;p |
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| 18:27.43 | drakedevel | maligor: I know! |
| 18:27.48 | Ace2016 | you killed kenny |
| 18:28.13 | simonrvn | hates it when visitors triple click on links... |
| 18:28.23 | maligor | and the dual page view |
| 18:28.27 | jelly | doesn't get why anyone using a productivity/office suite would get SNS syndromw |
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| 18:43.16 | abrotman | cire: that means they aren't the same card |
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| 18:49.39 | simonrvn | weeee |
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| 18:49.52 | xingu | wee's on simonrvn |
| 18:50.21 | simonrvn | no golden showers, kthx |
| 18:50.37 | xingu | how about amber? |
| 18:50.46 | simonrvn | runs away to wash off the pee |
| 18:51.21 | simonrvn | that's wosre, since you need to drink more water if it's that colour |
| 18:51.33 | xingu | bah |
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| 18:51.41 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:51.44 | xingu | will the water of life do? |
| 18:51.53 | xingu | being wod ka |
| 18:52.41 | simonrvn | just plain h2o (no "bah, fish fuck in it" comments :P) |
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| 18:53.07 | simonrvn | (humans fuck in it too ;) |
| 18:53.40 | torrr | I dd a disk to an mdadm raid5, and now e2fsck say Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/md0 |
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| 18:54.12 | torrr | same for /dev/md0p1 |
| 18:54.17 | simonrvn | missed a spot |
| 18:54.31 | torrr | and in /dev/ there is no md0p1 |
| 18:54.36 | torrr | just md0 |
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| 18:58.01 | xingu | I wish intel would drop the fscking price of the qx9770 now that the i7's (nearly) here |
| 18:58.22 | xingu | stupid bloodsucking profiteering shareholders |
| 18:58.37 | xingu | where's my free lunch dammit |
| 18:58.59 | simonrvn | greed sucks (tm) |
| 18:59.17 | unixSnob | has gotten burned on intel shares |
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| 18:59.45 | simonrvn | i still call them inhel |
| 19:00.11 | xingu | oh they're onto a hella good thing, that i7 is going to clean up, it's frickin unstoppable |
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| 19:00.38 | xingu | but dammit I want my qx9770 and I want it cheap and now |
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| 19:00.51 | simonrvn | what should i google for, "i7 intel"? |
| 19:01.18 | xingu | try nehalem you might be closer |
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| 19:02.40 | xingu | they've wasted some of that lovely real-estate on an integrated memory controller which means that it behaves like core2 with its memory attached at core rather than fsb clock |
| 19:02.50 | simonrvn | hm, 4 core ht it looks like |
| 19:02.54 | xingu | oh yes. |
| 19:03.06 | xingu | except on the 'spensive part which is 6x core from memory |
| 19:03.12 | simonrvn | "...(after all Nehalem is 4 cores and 8 threads!)" |
| 19:03.17 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 19:03.28 | xingu | but the important bit is the membus |
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| 19:03.39 | xingu | *schlurp* |
| 19:03.52 | xingu | whips HT's sorry arse into the late '90s |
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| 19:04.19 | XeNiX | Hello pliz i have a question |
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| 19:04.28 | xingu | anyway; old bits; gimme my qx9770 and gimme it now and cheap. |
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| 19:04.35 | simonrvn | XeNiX: just ask |
| 19:04.39 | XeNiX | im using Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 19:04.40 | xingu | I demand my right to yesterday's tech at knock-down prices |
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| 19:04.55 | XeNiX | and i want ot know how to add a line command which that should be executed on each reboot . |
| 19:05.08 | xingu | !rc.local |
| 19:05.08 | XeNiX | it is on /etc/rc.local same ??????? |
| 19:05.08 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 19:05.31 | XeNiX | thx* |
| 19:05.35 | NOTOKAY | whats the prefered way to mount ftp's ? |
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| 19:09.42 | simonrvn | dumbass lamers trying to run sql injection attacks... *sigh* |
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| 19:11.35 | _Sam-- | NOTOKAY : using an ftp client? |
| 19:11.59 | Lovecraft | _Sam--: not the 'mount'. |
| 19:12.02 | Lovecraft | e |
| 19:12.24 | _Sam-- | last time i checked, mount -t doesnt support ftp -- but i dont know everything either. |
| 19:12.39 | Lovecraft | ftpfs does. |
| 19:12.59 | _Sam-- | doesnt seem to be part of my debian. |
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| 19:13.55 | _Sam-- | curlftpfs |
| 19:15.17 | _Sam-- | seems you are 100% correct though, it will do exactly as he asks...mount an ftp host as a filesystem. |
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| 19:16.25 | Lovecraft | It sucks over dialup. :? |
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| 19:17.55 | bolt | what's the preferred way to mount a remote filesystem between two linux machines? sshfs work well? |
| 19:17.59 | bolt | need encryption |
| 19:18.05 | simonrvn | !curlftpfs |
| 19:18.06 | dpkg | hmm... curlftpfs is a filesystem for accessing FTP hosts based on FUSE and libcurl. http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:18.26 | FR33L4NC3 | I got a web-server, printer-server and a file-server installed on my NSLU2, how do I access/configure them? |
| 19:18.43 | simonrvn | sshfs works well, though i'd use a key with it. gets annoying to type in your passwd all the time. |
| 19:18.58 | simonrvn | with an editor |
| 19:19.27 | bolt | simonrvn: already got keyless ssh set up :) i'll try and go with sshfs and autofs then |
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| 19:20.09 | FR33L4NC3 | an editor... like..? |
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| 19:20.36 | simonrvn | nano, vim, emacs, jed, ... take your pick |
| 19:21.58 | FR33L4NC3 | yes... but How do I access my let say, File Server.... nano... ? |
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| 19:22.50 | simonrvn | need ssh installed |
| 19:23.09 | FR33L4NC3 | i'm ssh-ing to my NSLU2 |
| 19:23.38 | FR33L4NC3 | but I do not know what the server is, or what the command is to configure them |
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| 19:24.37 | _Sam-- | FR33L4NC3 : then why are you running them? :) |
| 19:26.30 | KTL | I am having trouble with the 2.6.26-1 kernel, running 2.6.26-1-vserver-amd64 now but 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 had the same issue: it sometimes hangs, an opengl game doesnt get it's input delayed... are there known issues with 2.6.26 multitasking? |
| 19:27.02 | simonrvn | FR33L4NC3: dpkg -L packagename will tell you the contents of installed packages |
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| 19:27.33 | pgpkeys | hrmm, anyone have a Dell Vostro 1000 laptop with the AMD Turion 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor TL- 60 (2.00GHz 512K)? |
| 19:27.39 | pgpkeys | I'm thinking of buying one (they're only $539USD) but wondering how linux compatable they are. |
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| 19:29.30 | used2be-FR33L4NC | FR33L4NC3: Who are you? |
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| 19:35.58 | Samuel-NotAFK | How do I set my local charset? |
| 19:36.34 | Snadder | Hi. how can I write an iso image to an memory stick.. and use it for installing debian on my asus eee 900 ? |
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| 19:37.16 | Samuel-NotAFK | Snadder: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
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| 19:39.41 | Snadder | Samuel-NotAFK: thanks! |
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| 19:40.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | Snadder: No problem! |
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| 19:41.59 | jspiro | hi all. I use kdm and KDE. My ~/.profile sets $http_proxy. When I run Firefox from inside an xterm, it picks up the value of $http_proxy fine, but when I run it from KDE's start menu, it does not. How can I make KDE read my ~/.profile at startup so it will pick up my $http_proxy preference? |
| 19:42.10 | jspiro | Or, should I solve the problem a different way? |
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| 19:43.03 | euzao | help me, how do change my mac in the Debian isntaller? |
| 19:43.05 | euzao | installer? |
| 19:43.30 | jspiro | euzao: what is a mac? |
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| 19:43.38 | scottymuse | jspiro: I'd recommend an extension for firefox like FoxyProxy. |
| 19:43.39 | pipeline | euzao: hit alt f4 and attempt to run ifrename |
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| 19:44.11 | euzao | jsaak, MAC is the address that makes the network hardware unique |
| 19:44.23 | jspiro | euzao: ah |
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| 19:44.58 | jspiro | scottymuse: thanks for the tip, but I want my $http_proxy setting to carry across all browsers I use, since it points to my locally running copy of dansguardian (a web and porn filter I use myself save time off browsing YouTube) |
| 19:45.14 | jspiro | *to save time |
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| 19:45.52 | scottymuse | ah, don't think I can help you then. |
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| 19:47.09 | jspiro | repeat: all: how do I make KDE read my .profile so that $http_proxy will be set properly? |
| 19:47.19 | scottymuse | Anyone know where I can find the etch changelog for PHP5? packages.debian.org just has a broken link for the changelog. |
| 19:48.11 | jspiro | scottymuse: want me to paste you my locally installed copy in #flood? |
| 19:48.18 | jspiro | or as a /msg |
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| 19:48.53 | scottymuse | msg would be great. |
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| 19:49.11 | jspiro | scottymuse: coming soon |
| 19:49.15 | scottymuse | thank you |
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| 19:50.34 | jspiro | scottymuse: ugh, i don't have php installed. what is the package name? I will run "apt-get source" to get it and then paste you the changelog. |
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| 19:50.46 | Arrick | !apache2 |
| 19:50.46 | dpkg | [apache2] the best version of apache for you to be using (ask me about <apache 1.3>). Apache2 is actually 2.2 in Debian Etch and Lenny and is a virtual package provided by a worker (ask me about <apache2 mpm>). Also see the package apache2-doc and /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian or ask me about <install apache2>. Additional help in #apache on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:51.00 | jspiro | Arrick: please /msg the bot. If you have questions, ask us :) |
| 19:51.17 | scottymuse | No worries. I can get that I s'pose. I din't think about doing that. |
| 19:51.31 | adb | scottymuse: or use of backports , if available ? |
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| 19:52.09 | pipegeek | hey... is there any way to specify to gnu screen that it should start with multiple windows open, and what should be running in each? |
| 19:52.15 | pipegeek | Wasn't sure where best to ask |
| 19:52.29 | wols | pipegeek: what distro do you run? |
| 19:52.45 | pipegeek | etch, unfortunately. I could do a bad backport job if necessary |
| 19:52.51 | jspiro | pipegeek: yes. here is fine. google for example .screenrc files: you will see examples that do what you want |
| 19:53.02 | pipegeek | okay, cool, thanks |
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| 19:53.54 | pipegeek | buries himself in the man page |
| 19:54.11 | jspiro | pipegeek: if you have any trouble, ping me if i am still here. |
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| 19:54.28 | jspiro | pipegeek: see also channel #screen :)\ |
| 19:55.53 | pipegeek | jspiro:\ Thanks :) |
| 19:57.33 | KTL | really no one else having trouble with kernel 2.6.26 ? |
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| 19:58.13 | amphi | KTL: what trouble/ |
| 19:58.15 | amphi | ? |
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| 19:58.45 | KTL | it hangs sometimes, it's not very smooth anymore |
| 19:59.01 | KTL | an opengl game gets its input a second too late sometimes |
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| 19:59.23 | amphi | I don't see that here, with vanilla 2.6.26.5 |
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| 20:00.03 | amphi | oh, games, dunno - stellarium seems to run ok (the only opengl thing I use) |
| 20:00.04 | KTL | how can i see what rc my kernel has? |
| 20:00.28 | KTL | myes that game i talk about, bzflag, needs some more action than stellarium, it is obvious there |
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| 20:01.06 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 20:01.10 | jspiro | hi |
| 20:01.10 | KTL | otherwise i would have gone back to some older kernel, but i got the impression virtual box needs a kernel with openvz or vserver in it |
| 20:01.14 | KTL | hi |
| 20:01.45 | pdc303 | I'm new to debian. is it possible to list the dependencies of an application before I install it? In Gentoo I would do: emerge -avt and it would produce a dependency tree for me |
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| 20:02.15 | Doug52392 | Is there any way to limit the CPU and RAM usage of a specific process |
| 20:02.20 | KTL | pdc303, there is a list of direct dependencies in the output of apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 20:02.41 | simonrvn | apt-cache depends and rdepends, plus show output |
| 20:02.44 | jspiro | Doug52392: I don't know. But why do you want to do that? |
| 20:02.47 | simonrvn | man apt-cache |
| 20:03.09 | pdc303 | will apt-get always ask me before downloading and installing dependencies? |
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| 20:03.43 | Doug52392 | I have a process I need to run that uses a lot of system resoures and slows down the system. |
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| 20:03.48 | paines | hi |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | Doug52392: renice it down |
| 20:03.55 | simonrvn | pdc303: no |
| 20:04.27 | pdc303 | ok. thank you KTL, simonrvn |
| 20:04.27 | paines | the debian installer (testing) crashes when loading r8169. how cani prevent that that module does not load on startup of installer |
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| 20:05.22 | KTL | abrotman, what priority number is meant for the less important processes? the negative of the positive numbers? :) |
| 20:05.26 | bball | I'm trying to build a package from source but I've modified some of the CONFARGS |
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| 20:05.54 | bball | now I'm getting error messages like this "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to" |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | KTL: the man page explains this |
| 20:06.16 | KTL | didnt think so |
| 20:06.21 | KTL | wait |
| 20:06.33 | adb | KTL: > 0 |
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| 20:07.02 | KTL | nice |
| 20:08.32 | Eulex | KTL, the lower nice number, the higher priority |
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| 20:09.29 | jspiro | repeat: all: how do I make KDE read my .profile so that my $http_proxy environment variable will be set when I boot KDE? |
| 20:09.40 | KTL | thanks all |
| 20:09.41 | jspiro | (was my question too hard? was it unclear?) |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | i doubt you can |
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| 20:10.30 | abrotman | maybe try to source it in your .xsession ? |
| 20:10.39 | Lovecraft | jspiro: KDE doesn't read .profile, login shells do. |
| 20:10.44 | jspiro | abrotman: oh. :( on my ubuntu machine, I use gnome, and IIRC it sources my .profile at startup. |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 20:11.13 | abrotman | but you could certainly check |
| 20:11.24 | jspiro | is there one place I can set $http_proxy so that kde, gnome, and bash will all pick up the setting? (just like autoexec.bat in windows 98) |
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| 20:12.28 | Lovecraft | jspiro: Any proxy setting will be by options menues under specific apps. |
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| 20:13.07 | paines | found it, r8169.blacklist=yes |
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| 20:14.26 | jspiro | Lovecraft: I know. But I prefer to set it once, by setting an environment variable, instead of setting it individually in each of my 6 web browsers |
| 20:15.06 | Saar | debian really needs to update their etchnhalf kernel: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=d8bb6f4c1670c8324e4135c61ef07486f7f17379 |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | Saar: taht's old |
| 20:15.45 | Lovecraft | Seems a little silly to use six browsers. |
| 20:15.55 | Saar | sure but the etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel does crash |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | so file a bug .. |
| 20:16.25 | jspiro | I use most of them (lynx, links2, elinks, emacs-w3m) only occasionally but I still want them to use my preferred proxy settings. |
| 20:16.32 | Saar | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493813 |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 20:17.05 | Saar | this also happens with 32 bits x86 kernel |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | you're complaining to the wrong people |
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| 20:17.35 | Saar | i know :) |
| 20:17.38 | jspiro | abrotman: i am? |
| 20:17.43 | abrotman | append the bug to see if anything has changed |
| 20:17.47 | abrotman | jspiro: not you |
| 20:17.59 | Saar | i can't file a bugreport, i have no sufficient data of the output the kernel printed when it hung |
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| 20:20.11 | abrotman | you can ask if the team has confirmed the issue i suppose |
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| 20:20.37 | testi | How is the 27th USB mass storage device named? |
| 20:21.12 | abrotman | sdA ? |
| 20:21.36 | testi | I don't know, I was just wondering :D |
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| 20:21.58 | testi | and the 53rd? |
| 20:22.32 | enouf | !win bosox for abrotmoo! 8-7! |
| 20:22.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, bosox for abrotmoo! 8-7!! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:22.54 | enouf | they pulled a NY Blankees style comeback :-p |
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| 20:24.09 | jspiro | wonders if anyone has ever plugged more than 26 storage devices plugged into one PC |
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| 20:26.44 | Arrick | hey guys, I remember not too long ago, being told a set of commands I could use to create vhosts with apache2, can someone refresh my memory on it? |
| 20:27.20 | Saar | www.apache.org |
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| 20:27.37 | Mara | hello someone can help me to openssl and private key? |
| 20:27.42 | Arrick | gee. thanks for not so OS specific advise |
| 20:28.05 | lem0n | Arrick: apache stuff is located in /etc/apache2 |
| 20:28.17 | lem0n | i advise you read the docs on apache.org, though, for help setting up vhosts. |
| 20:28.35 | Arrick | lem0n, I know, but even in the man it doesnt tell you the command someone in here recommended |
| 20:28.41 | lem0n | theres no command |
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| 20:28.47 | lem0n | you edit configuration and restart/rehash apache |
| 20:29.05 | lem0n | /etc/init.d/apache2 <parem> to do so |
| 20:29.09 | lem0n | parem being restart, rehash, etc.... |
| 20:29.15 | Arrick | there is a command |
| 20:29.29 | Arrick | it creates a seperate file for that site, then it restarts apache |
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| 20:31.22 | _Sam-- | a2ensite? |
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| 20:32.22 | _Sam-- | Arrick : http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/9/17/debian-etch-apache-virtual-hosts |
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| 20:33.14 | abrotman | nice spoon |
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| 20:33.58 | Arrick | thanks _Sam-- |
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| 20:42.11 | enouf | there is no spoon |
| 20:42.13 | enouf | :-p |
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| 20:42.23 | cYmen | How can I get a diff of configfiles to the original version? I need to track down a change I made. :/ |
| 20:42.47 | jspiro | cYmen: I do "apt-get source packagename" |
| 20:43.01 | Lovecraft | cYmen: Never heard of 'back it up befire you edit'? |
| 20:43.24 | enouf | Lovecraft: yoyo ma :-p |
| 20:43.26 | jspiro | I used to keep configfiles in GNU RCS but now I don't bother anymore. |
| 20:43.29 | jspiro | too lazy |
| 20:43.31 | Lovecraft | heh |
| 20:43.53 | jspiro | it's a desktop machine so if I crash and burn, no money is lost, only time. |
| 20:43.54 | Lovecraft | I have a confbak directory |
| 20:44.00 | enouf | cYmen: debsums might help |
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| 20:46.01 | wols | enouf: not for config files |
| 20:46.01 | enouf | cYmen: if one pkg, d/l the original, use dpkg or ar to extract it and look inside - if however the .postinst routine created it with system info / interaction / debconf settings, then Backup your copy and delete it and run /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:46.47 | enouf | wols: if you have the original and/or pkg, and there is a config file generated from .postinst .. oh nm |
| 20:47.24 | enouf | _always_ adds comments and sections to configuration files |
| 20:47.30 | cYmen | well it's no big deal I just know that I "did something" to make it work and now I need to do it again on another machine :) |
| 20:47.53 | cYmen | enouf: well thanks for your hints anyway :) |
| 20:47.59 | enouf | dude, you need to be specific - is it hardware config related? |
| 20:48.14 | roe_ | can I find out how much ram is in each slot? |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | cYmen: just use 'diff' ? |
| 20:48.23 | enouf | !myram |
| 20:48.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, myram is install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | !tell roe_ about whats my hardware |
| 20:48.36 | enouf | !win ma |
| 20:48.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, ma! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:48.44 | enouf | haha ..whoops |
| 20:48.44 | abrotman | wtf .. who changed that |
| 20:48.54 | enouf | which? |
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| 20:49.12 | enouf | i didn't touch what's my hardware |
| 20:49.16 | abrotman | enouf: you're a tard |
| 20:49.23 | abrotman | learn how to modify factoids |
| 20:49.25 | enouf | .... |
| 20:49.30 | enouf | wtf you bozo? |
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| 20:49.38 | n3kl | abrotman: you are feisty like a fawn today |
| 20:49.50 | abrotman | enouf: you put a || in the factoid .. |
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| 20:49.57 | jelly | enouf: last modified at Wed Sep 24 08:24:46 2008 by enouf |
| 20:49.59 | abrotman | !tell roe_ about whats my hardware |
| 20:50.14 | Anubis_be | hey, can anyone help me with a spamassassin prob? I keep getting in my maillog : config: cannot write to /bin/false/.spamassassin/user_prefs: Not a directory and I don't know where to change it :( |
| 20:50.27 | streuner | !whats my hardware |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! or If you install lshw, run as rootsudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation |
| 20:50.33 | abrotman | i changed it back |
| 20:50.36 | _Sam-- | roe_ : there is a tool called lshw |
| 20:50.38 | abrotman | or fixed it i guess |
| 20:50.39 | enouf | abrotman: which? .. wtf? show me in PM what is was abrotman |
| 20:50.58 | abrotman | enouf: s/or If/|| If/ .. it'll break it again |
| 20:51.04 | cYmen | enouf: know not at all it's just a line I edited in the exim config..which is pretty fucking huge :) |
| 20:51.12 | cYmen | s/know/no, / |
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| 20:51.54 | abrotman | cYmen: use diff |
| 20:51.56 | abrotman | or cmp |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | wait .. maybe not cmp |
| 20:52.26 | enouf | abrotman: you're a turd for insulting retarted people |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | that can't spell ? |
| 20:52.37 | enouf | retarded* |
| 20:52.49 | abrotman | makes a new qotd |
| 20:52.53 | enouf | you're also a fucken asshole |
| 20:53.06 | enouf | go ahead moron - kick me |
| 20:53.11 | cYmen | me no is retardedz |
| 20:53.12 | Lovecraft | mentally measures distance between mouth and fist or target.... |
| 20:53.13 | jelly | "whats my hardware" indeed |
| 20:53.20 | enouf | You fucken idiot |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:53.36 | enouf | hugs Lovecraft |
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| 20:53.54 | GhostlyDeath | OMG I GOT BANNED |
| 20:53.57 | streuner | please, dont use another fucking quote, we have enough crap for this |
| 20:54.15 | streuner | dondelelcaro: fucking asshole |
| 20:54.29 | _Sam-- | yeah, that don is one mean asshole. |
| 20:54.42 | n3kl | GhostlyDeath: try /etc/init.d/douche stop |
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| 20:54.54 | GhostlyDeath | all your base are belong to dondelelcaro |
| 20:55.12 | dondelelcaro | folks, please get back on topic lest I have to attempt to force you back on it. |
| 20:55.19 | jspiro | repeat : is there one place I can set $http_proxy so that kde, gnome, and bash will all pick up the setting? or probably not? |
| 20:55.20 | GhostlyDeath | n3kl: The host mask is similar however, I'm wearing the magic cloak of cloaking |
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| 20:55.38 | abrotman | jspiro: you may wish to ask #debian-kde or #kde .. but i really don't think there is |
| 20:55.52 | jspiro | abrotman: thanks. so I won't ask and I won't look for a way. |
| 20:55.56 | jspiro | does man .xsession |
| 20:56.03 | GhostlyDeath | jspiro: add it to the env vars |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | jspiro: maybe /etc/environment ? |
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| 20:56.49 | roe_ | lots of aggression here today |
| 20:56.54 | jspiro | abrotman: will try that. |
| 20:58.04 | jspiro | all, and especially abrotman, thanks. it's time for me to restart KDE. |
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| 20:58.54 | wide | any admins, ups question? I have a ups with 2x12 volt 7ah batteries, can I replace w 2x12 volt 9 ah batteries? already had 1 12v9ah battery delivered. tia |
| 20:59.19 | abrotman | wide: ##hardware |
| 20:59.41 | wide | abrotman, thanks, just saw the offtopic channel |
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| 21:00.01 | Dshital | Any one tell me how to pass video mode numbers to kernel?? i have ASUS tiny laptop (7" screen) which is conflicting with boot screen, when i give kernel option vga=786 i get some blurred cursor while booting, can any one tell me exact number?? i also get this http://pastebin.com/m1faf0768 while booting, if i give either of 0 to 6 it will boot fine |
| 21:00.26 | stew | Dshital: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
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| 21:02.14 | n3kl | nalioth: ping |
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| 21:03.14 | enouf | yes .. yes, now i recall - i did indeed edit that particular "what's my hardware" .. so, my bad for doing so incorrectly |
| 21:03.16 | LimCore | is there a trivial way to setup some sort of port knocking on debian? |
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| 21:03.34 | enouf | however ... |
| 21:03.44 | jspiro | abrotman: /etc/environment worked, thank you. |
| 21:03.46 | enouf | (and i will leave it at that) |
| 21:03.49 | LimCore | I need a server to allow incoming ssh only from my IP, and my IP is dynamic. or any other EASY solution |
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| 21:04.03 | _Sam-- | LimCore : something like dynamic dns |
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| 21:04.20 | _Sam-- | are you sshing from a windows or linux box to the server? |
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| 21:04.43 | LimCore | and then I put my domain name in hosts allowed? |
| 21:04.50 | _Sam-- | no. |
| 21:05.07 | LimCore | Im sshing from linux client to debian server |
| 21:05.24 | LimCore | I need an easy way to setup this (as in, I dont want to screwup server =) |
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| 21:05.51 | _Sam-- | good luck with it |
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| 21:06.22 | LimCore | that was not very helpfull ;) |
| 21:06.34 | _Sam-- | in order to receive help, you first must prove that you've tried to help yourself :) |
| 21:06.40 | _Sam-- | at least, thats how i feel. |
| 21:06.45 | LimCore | if I would have a constant domain from which I connect, then how to setup ssh to allow connections from foo.dyndns.org |
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| 21:07.37 | abrotman | jspbah |
| 21:09.35 | LimCore | how to make ssh re-read config file, without closing opened ssh session? Im setting up sshd_config via ssh |
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| 21:11.12 | format_c | LimCore, /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 21:11.16 | Eulex | LimCore, iirc you can restart your sshd without it closing open ssh sessions. /etc/init.d/ss restart |
| 21:11.20 | Eulex | *ssh |
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| 21:11.53 | enouf | and no, i do not create factoids with missing apostrophes - so, feel free to go bother those fools with your petty grievances |
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| 21:11.59 | format_c | the init-script is just restarting the server process |
| 21:12.14 | format_c | no the forked childs |
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| 21:13.01 | Sshital | No one is working with that |
| 21:13.36 | Hypavisah | does debian have a software like this, I can install and offer free webhosting to open source web projects and applications |
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| 21:13.47 | Hypavisah | not sure how to go about this, or where to ask |
| 21:13.49 | Hypavisah | :/ |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | enouf: you actually broke the factoid .. enough said .. it's fixed .. have a nice evening! |
| 21:14.17 | Hypavisah | is it going to be a CMS issue or something else in debian |
| 21:14.19 | Hypavisah | its a debian vps |
| 21:14.43 | Hypavisah | so I'm not sure exactly what all is needed to setup to offer svn, cvs, git |
| 21:14.52 | enouf | dpkg: whats my hardware =~ s#rootsudo#root or sudo# |
| 21:14.52 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 21:14.53 | Hypavisah | as well as the web hosting part which I know how to do) |
| 21:15.04 | patco444 | The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 21:15.09 | streuner | !whats my hardware |
| 21:15.09 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! or If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation |
| 21:15.22 | enouf | abrotman: so what - it was an honest mistake - i never created the title, nor the original |
| 21:15.34 | Hypavisah | enouf, don't even respond... |
| 21:15.38 | Hypavisah | its useless |
| 21:15.41 | enouf | abrotman: and you just incorrectly edited it yourseld |
| 21:15.43 | Hypavisah | let him yap |
| 21:15.48 | enouf | yourself* |
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| 21:16.08 | Hypavisah | enouf, just go about your business old man walkin! |
| 21:16.14 | streuner | its fixed now, who cares what was in the past... |
| 21:16.30 | enouf | Hypavisah: it's cool - if i have time, i can more than defend myself against the mosquitoes ;-) now, drop it please! |
| 21:16.48 | Hypavisah | im gonna come over and kick your ass! |
| 21:16.53 | enouf | thank you |
| 21:16.54 | wols | Hypavisah: stop it |
| 21:17.00 | amphi | enouf: flee! |
| 21:17.02 | Hypavisah | wols, gfy. |
| 21:17.15 | et | I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum ... and I'm all out of bubblegum. |
| 21:17.21 | et | hramrach: "good for you"? |
| 21:17.22 | enouf | dudeman: please - elsewhere .. come on |
| 21:17.26 | amphi | et: heheh |
| 21:17.27 | wols | @ops can you calm the morons here. please |
| 21:17.30 | wols | !ops can you calm the morons here. please |
| 21:17.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: can you calm the morons here. please |
| 21:17.41 | et | oops |
| 21:17.46 | amphi | et: I saw 'they live' not so long ago |
| 21:17.46 | et | hramrach: sorry |
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| 21:18.59 | streuner | wols: well, dont ask for such thing, the first moron are you ! :-) |
| 21:19.14 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.23 | et | dpkg: do you know if there are any morons around that need to be calmed? |
| 21:19.23 | dpkg | does you know if there are any morons around that need to be calmed |
| 21:19.31 | et | damn. |
| 21:19.34 | et | fails |
| 21:19.37 | dudeman | et please knock it off |
| 21:19.57 | aixenv | who was trying to send me a file wtf |
| 21:20.12 | enouf | aixenv: spam in PM? |
| 21:20.17 | dudeman | aixenv, ignore it, we get those ctcp's frequently |
| 21:20.25 | dudeman | some keylogger, some file dcc send ignore it |
| 21:20.29 | enouf | aixenv: set /mode +E yournick |
| 21:20.34 | aixenv | im over here working on my latop and look over and its some moron trying to send me a file lol |
| 21:20.43 | enouf | then also +C if you like |
| 21:20.44 | aixenv | enouf ok ty |
| 21:21.12 | Eulex | dudeman, take a look at gforge |
| 21:21.18 | dudeman | Eulex, thank you |
| 21:21.23 | enouf | aixenv: sorry /mode yournick +E |
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| 21:21.48 | enouf | aixenv: hold on, i'll get you the URL with all those for freenode |
| 21:21.59 | dudeman | GForge Debian Packages by Christian Bayle |
| 21:22.00 | aixenv | cool thx |
| 21:22.02 | dudeman | sweet |
| 21:22.05 | enouf | aixenv: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 21:22.19 | Vecam | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.26 | aixenv | good deal ty |
| 21:22.28 | dudeman | no |
| 21:22.33 | dudeman | you can't stop admin |
| 21:22.36 | Eulex | dudeman, you don't need any third-party packages, gforge is packaged... |
| 21:22.37 | dudeman | well you can't stop root, but you can stop admin |
| 21:22.42 | dudeman | Eulex, oh |
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| 21:22.48 | dudeman | Eulex, I would have discovered that eventually |
| 21:22.55 | ameyer | aixenv: you might want to notify a channel op or a global op so that "person" can be dealt with. |
| 21:22.59 | dudeman | I always try to use debian packages first |
| 21:23.01 | abrotman | enouf: i only changed "||" to "or", but nice try |
| 21:23.11 | enouf | aixenv: no worries, some "einstein" staffers a few months ago thought it would be a great idea to enable PM spam via default |
| 21:23.20 | dudeman | not again... |
| 21:23.24 | aixenv | ahh |
| 21:23.25 | Eulex | dudeman, etch may of course not have the newest version, though |
| 21:23.26 | enouf | ... |
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| 21:23.42 | dudeman | Eulex, not worry bro man dude |
| 21:23.51 | dudeman | Eulex, I use lenny on my server |
| 21:23.53 | beware | technically, encryption stops everyone not possessing the keys needed to decrypt |
| 21:24.11 | dudeman | Eulex, I figured it should be stable soon enough in the next 4 months or so |
| 21:24.12 | ameyer | beware: there are ways to get the keys though |
| 21:24.12 | beware | if you encrypt to your public key on a box, and the box doesn't contain the private key, root isnt going to read it |
| 21:24.14 | dudeman | hopefully |
| 21:24.14 | beware | except, |
| 21:24.20 | beware | root could sniff the data before its encrypted |
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| 21:24.27 | Eulex | dudeman, yeah |
| 21:24.34 | ameyer | torture, court order, brute-force, etc. |
| 21:24.57 | enouf | amphi: "the hills are alive"! :-p |
| 21:25.01 | wols | beware: SSL only prioves transport layer security. if the endpoints aren't secure, all bets are off |
| 21:25.11 | beware | brute force isnt an issue with modern, up to date, crypto standards |
| 21:25.20 | dudeman | it really is |
| 21:25.21 | wols | *provides |
| 21:25.33 | dudeman | not a huge issue, bit it is an issue regardless |
| 21:25.37 | dudeman | but* |
| 21:25.58 | amphi | enouf: heh - 'the hills have eyes' was such a great name for a film; a pity it was crap |
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| 21:26.06 | beware | defie "is an issue" here |
| 21:26.15 | dudeman | beware, I was about to ask you the same thing :) |
| 21:26.16 | ameyer | beware: I bet if the feds really wanted your encrypted stuff unencrypted, they could brute-force it |
| 21:26.24 | enouf | amphi: haha .. indeed - i recall that B bellyflop ;-) |
| 21:26.28 | beware | wols, i didnt say SSL here, did i? |
| 21:26.41 | enouf | (or atleast the Title) |
| 21:26.48 | beware | if you have a complexity exceeding, say, 2^100, the feds arent going to do anything |
| 21:26.57 | dudeman | B bellyflop? |
| 21:26.57 | ameyer | allegedly they have a BOINC-style decryption botnet that consists of all federally-owned computers |
| 21:27.07 | dudeman | put down the crackpipe! |
| 21:27.08 | dudeman | ;) |
| 21:27.13 | beware | 2048 bits RSA has a complexity of 2^112, and AES has a complexity of 2^128 |
| 21:27.18 | ameyer | they'd need to really need your encrypted stuff, though. |
| 21:27.23 | wols | beware: go to -ot unless you have a debian question |
| 21:27.28 | enouf | ameyer: the NSA are everywhere - even my bathroom toilet ;-) |
| 21:27.32 | dudeman | beware, do you have idea idea how powerful computing has gotten |
| 21:27.35 | ameyer | heh |
| 21:27.44 | dudeman | beware, with enough resources how long do you honestly think it would take to break that |
| 21:27.51 | abrotman | beware: did you ever get a response about your SHA email to the debian-security people ? |
| 21:27.57 | beware | sadly, no |
| 21:28.00 | dudeman | given 'today's starndard supercomputing and/or mini supercomputing' |
| 21:28.02 | abrotman | nothing at all? |
| 21:28.26 | beware | dudeman, with 2^128 or so you're talking filling the surface of the earth with ASIC's |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | beware: that's kind of sad .. but oh well |
| 21:28.39 | dudeman | beware, that does not matter |
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| 21:28.58 | dudeman | with enough resources you are able to break it, and it is usually NOT an issue, but it is an issue regardless. |
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| 21:29.05 | dudeman | beware, there is no such thing as fool proof security |
| 21:29.24 | dudeman | if you can secure it, you can also unsecure it |
| 21:29.40 | beware | id love to discuss more, but its, "ot", maybe take it to #crypto |
| 21:29.49 | dudeman | its alright, I've work to do. |
| 21:29.51 | dudeman | Good day. |
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| 21:32.42 | beware | the lack of trust in crypto due to ignorance is a bad thing, if this causes people to then not use it for important things like internet banking |
| 21:33.00 | beware | ive read about this |
| 21:33.08 | dudeman | !ot |
| 21:33.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 21:34.48 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:38.12 | mentalmonkey | can anyone point me to some info on using s2ram - to hibernate - for the following problem. It works 1-2 times and then really messes my computer up I have to push the power button to shutdown. |
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| 21:38.34 | mentalmonkey | I get something of the following error, with lots of other driver errors, FATAL: Could not rename /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/modules.dep.temp into /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 21:39.06 | mentalmonkey | I am using lenny on an smp dual core amd lappi |
| 21:39.36 | mentalmonkey | not asking for a solution only someone here might have experienced something similar before and could point me in the right direction |
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| 21:43.24 | format_c | mentalmonkey, no but do you know from which file the message originates? |
| 21:43.56 | format_c | You've maybe discovered a bug |
| 21:44.16 | streuner | mentalmonkey: are you using ndiswrapper? ;-) |
| 21:44.35 | streuner | or any other crap, just look at the logs... |
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| 21:45.07 | mentalmonkey | streuner: unfortunately I'm using proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 21:45.14 | streuner | hm |
| 21:45.17 | mentalmonkey | format_c: not yet |
| 21:45.44 | streuner | mentalmonkey: there should be something in the logs... |
| 21:45.56 | streuner | (when it happend) |
| 21:46.00 | mentalmonkey | streuner: which one dmesg.0? |
| 21:46.09 | mentalmonkey | sorry I'm not intimately familiar with /var/log |
| 21:46.12 | nalioth | n3kl: pong |
| 21:46.16 | streuner | /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages |
| 21:46.19 | mentalmonkey | ok |
| 21:46.23 | n3kl | nalioth: can I pm you? |
| 21:46.34 | mentalmonkey | streuner: will do some looking/grepping |
| 21:46.41 | nalioth | n3kl: you may PM any staff member at any time |
| 21:46.56 | dudeman | nalioth, can I not pm you? |
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| 21:47.10 | streuner | mentalmonkey: it should just related when the crash was... |
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| 21:47.12 | nalioth | freenode recommends setting up your nick in this fashion: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup (all steps are required for unaffiliated cloaks) |
| 21:47.13 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:47.58 | jelly | mentalmonkey: /var/log/kern.log / dmesg would typically show kernel errors. unfortunately problems at resume time are still commonplace on linux |
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| 21:49.04 | jelly | mentalmonkey: instead of doing suspend (to memory), you can try doing full hibernate with s2disk; this might be more stable |
| 21:49.09 | mentalmonkey | jelly: I just got the laptop to suspend it took months just to do this much without crashing on the first try |
| 21:49.10 | DexterF | where can I get a lenny iso? |
| 21:49.40 | mentalmonkey | jelly: yes, but s2ram is better for my laptop computing needs, if I can get it to work |
| 21:50.05 | jelly | mentalmonkey: getting rid of all nonfree drivers, and disabling any usb devices (whether internal or external) before suspend might help |
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| 21:50.38 | malgar | hello, is possible to download the actual unstable using jigdo? |
| 21:50.46 | format_c | DexterF, go to www.debian.org |
| 21:50.53 | streuner | malgar: no |
| 21:51.02 | streuner | malgar: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:51.11 | mentalmonkey | jelly: tried using vesa in X and it borked the computer right away, nvidia is working better in X than vesa,nv ? |
| 21:51.25 | mentalmonkey | jelly: at least for the purpose of s2ram |
| 21:51.27 | DexterF | format_c: ... |
| 21:51.36 | mentalmonkey | seemingly |
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| 21:52.46 | jelly | mentalmonkey: I have no experience with nvidia cards |
| 21:53.11 | psychonate | I've got a KVM switch I wanna try out. Will I need to reconfigure X to use it? |
| 21:53.19 | psychonate | or do I just plug the bugger in? |
| 21:53.21 | streuner | mentalmonkey: "nv" working like a charm, but you cannot use 3D... |
| 21:53.31 | binarymutant | psychonate: works out of the box |
| 21:53.52 | jelly | streuner: in context of s2ram? |
| 21:54.04 | mentalmonkey | streuner: I use dwm - minimal, minal tiling window program in X, and the fanciest I get is watching a movie with mplayer I'll consider it |
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| 21:54.42 | binarymutant | dwm rocks! :) |
| 21:54.51 | streuner | jelly: well, in context? my laptop just crash due ndiswrapper..., he just need to look at the logs (we told him...) |
| 21:54.55 | mentalmonkey | so #grep FATAL * - doesn't bring up anything and I can't find anything in syslog so I will keep looking |
| 21:55.06 | psychonate | wunderbar |
| 21:55.06 | psychonate | thanks for the response |
| 21:56.02 | mentalmonkey | binarymutant: definately! |
| 21:56.03 | streuner | mentalmonkey: rather look at the timestamps... |
| 21:56.17 | jelly | mentalmonkey: why "FATAL"? kernel messages are not that plain... |
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| 21:57.01 | jelly | won't even start debugging suspend issues without a second machine and a serial port |
| 21:57.02 | binarymutant | mentalmonkey: are you using the standard bar or dzen2 with dwm? |
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| 21:58.04 | mentalmonkey | binarymutant: the standard bar with a biff, and date are enough for me at present although I might start using dzen so I can actually see the subject of my new mail rather than the number of pieces |
| 21:58.24 | mentalmonkey | jelly: :) |
| 21:58.29 | jelly | mentalmonkey: my laptop can't resume from a suspend and I live with it; getting decent debug data seems to require hardware |
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| 21:58.48 | jelly | s2disk mostly works |
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| 21:59.44 | LimCore | I have host foo.dyndns.org poiting at my IP address, however my normal host is still set by my ISP. On the server I connect to, can I tell it to let in connections from my dyndns host? |
| 21:59.44 | mentalmonkey | jelly: interesting, ok, I need to do some math/physics - agree on s2disk, but I just can't stomache wasting so much time booting up again |
| 22:00.01 | jelly | mentalmonkey: also, you might have more luck with tux-on-ice (needs kernel patching) |
| 22:00.33 | mentalmonkey | jelly: ya, so many possibilities ty all for the ideas |
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| 22:00.53 | binarymutant | anyone know how I can get dzen2 to stop overlapping my windows? |
| 22:01.01 | n3kl | Is wolfenstein in debian? |
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| 22:01.06 | zleap | hi |
| 22:01.14 | curtis | are there any good games that i can install in debian? |
| 22:01.22 | curtis | that are free? |
| 22:01.22 | curtis | and easy to install? |
| 22:01.22 | Macarse | curtis: openarena |
| 22:01.23 | binarymutant | curtis: open arena |
| 22:01.25 | streuner | n3kl: /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:01.26 | zinx | apt-cache search game ? |
| 22:01.27 | Macarse | curtis: apt-get install openarena |
| 22:01.29 | zleap | i have just upgraded to lenny, rebooted and everything looked fine except i have lost my internet connection |
| 22:01.37 | zleap | but the output of ifconfig seems fine |
| 22:02.07 | curtis | are there any more? |
| 22:02.10 | zleap | ohhh open arena sounds interesting |
| 22:02.16 | binarymutant | its fun :) |
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| 22:02.23 | zleap | apt-cache search games |
| 22:02.31 | zleap | should come up with games |
| 22:02.46 | curtis | can i do that when installing openarena? in another terminal? |
| 22:03.10 | binarymutant | curtis: Urban Terror, Enemey Territory, Neverwinter Nights...I can't think of anymore |
| 22:03.11 | Macarse | curtis: doing apt-cache search? |
| 22:03.15 | bball | can someone help explain what the "cannot represent change to" errors are from dpkg-source ? |
| 22:03.22 | zleap | can i install et via apt-get |
| 22:03.25 | binarymutant | curtis: Nethack is fun too |
| 22:03.34 | zleap | and falconseye |
| 22:03.40 | curtis | binarymutant what kind of game is that? |
| 22:03.40 | zleap | which is based on nethack |
| 22:03.48 | binarymutant | curtis: which one? |
| 22:03.59 | curtis | nethack |
| 22:04.00 | zleap | dungeon role playing game, its common on unix systems |
| 22:04.21 | binarymutant | yeah, text based rpg |
| 22:04.43 | curtis | how can i install Urban Terror? |
| 22:04.51 | zleap | but falcons eye adds graphics but its based on an older version of nethack, unless the ubuntu guys have updated it |
| 22:04.57 | zleap | urban terror, |
| 22:05.01 | binarymutant | curtis: you have to go to their website, its not in the repository |
| 22:05.14 | zleap | any ideas why i could have lost internet |
| 22:05.15 | curtis | urbanterror.com? |
| 22:05.37 | zleap | there is nothing wrong with my connection from as I am on the net from a 2nd computer |
| 22:05.40 | zleap | just the debian one |
| 22:05.41 | binarymutant | curtis: urbanterror.net |
| 22:06.01 | curtis | okay |
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| 22:06.03 | [sr] | hi there |
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| 22:06.08 | [sr] | any QoS expert here? |
| 22:06.40 | curtis | should i download the .zip? |
| 22:06.41 | [sr] | i was shaping traffic and without touch any configuration, it just started to shape traffic to 6/10Kbit |
| 22:06.54 | zleap | i have no resolv.conf file |
| 22:07.05 | [sr] | with a rule: RULE=600Kbit or RULE=1mbit |
| 22:07.13 | [sr] | it always shape to 6/10kbit |
| 22:07.20 | binarymutant | curtis: yeah the zip for mac and linux users |
| 22:07.26 | jelly | [sr]: um, try #netfilter or ##networking? |
| 22:07.28 | curtis | nice |
| 22:07.49 | [sr] | jelly but the shaping is sone using tc |
| 22:07.51 | [sr] | not iptables |
| 22:07.55 | [sr] | sone=done |
| 22:08.02 | jelly | tc, iptables, it's all netfilter innit |
| 22:08.05 | curtis | it is going to take 24 minutes |
| 22:08.22 | jelly | or am I totally wrong |
| 22:08.33 | [sr] | jelly i believe you are :P |
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| 22:08.45 | [sr] | tc is part of iproute package |
| 22:08.50 | loxley_ | zleap: resolv.conf is a good thing to have unless you want to start memorizing ips |
| 22:09.12 | curtis | are there any other ones that i can download, because i am installing openarena in terminal |
| 22:09.24 | [sr] | i have other machines that the shaping is working ok |
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| 22:09.59 | curtis | [sr], what wireless card do you have? |
| 22:10.08 | zleap | why would updating to lenny have deleted resolv.conf |
| 22:10.10 | [sr] | no wireless |
| 22:10.22 | [sr] | the servers are all LAN'c |
| 22:10.23 | curtis | is it a desktop or laptop? |
| 22:10.28 | curtis | kay |
| 22:10.31 | curtis | okay |
| 22:10.54 | curtis | anyother games that i can download from the web? |
| 22:11.07 | curtis | btw thanks for the help |
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| 22:14.09 | curtis | hey what do i do after urban terror is done downloading? |
| 22:14.44 | LimCore | can I tell hosts.allow to do full reverse lookup on domain and match that (i.e. to match things like dyndns.org) ? |
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| 22:14.52 | binarymutant | curtis: I dunno, what files are there? |
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| 22:15.20 | curtis | binarymutant: not sure it is not done downloading just was wandering |
| 22:15.41 | curtis | and when openarena is done will it show up in the game menu? |
| 22:16.07 | n3kl | I thought Enemy Territory used to be in Debian |
| 22:16.12 | n3kl | I don't see it anymore |
| 22:16.28 | binarymutant | curtis: openarena will show up, but with urban terror you'll have to unzip it and go to the directory and run it from there |
| 22:16.51 | loxley_ | LimCore: you shouldnt depend on hosts.allow only as security anyways |
| 22:16.53 | binarymutant | n3kl: I don't think its in the repo, but you can go to the ET website and download it |
| 22:17.02 | curtis | binarymutant, not sure if i can do that maybe you can help me |
| 22:17.07 | zleap | i have tried to add the right dns servers to the control centre applet but what do i do after that |
| 22:17.13 | zleap | as its not working |
| 22:17.20 | binarymutant | curtis: are you using gnome? |
| 22:17.21 | LimCore | loxley_: well, this is just so that worms will not scan my server |
| 22:17.21 | n3kl | binarymutant: yeah, but then instead of a deb, the bin just pukes all over you system |
| 22:17.26 | n3kl | binarymutant: I hate that |
| 22:17.30 | binarymutant | n3kl: lol |
| 22:17.31 | curtis | yes |
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| 22:18.47 | binarymutant | curtis: when it's done downloading right click on the zip and 'extract here', then open the folder it creates and double click on something like ioquake3.i386 |
| 22:18.57 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way I can set a specific default keyboard layout for my gnome sessions? |
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| 22:19.03 | curtis | okay |
| 22:19.35 | binarymutant | curtis: I think it's ioquake3.i386 but i'm not sure since i'm on my laptop |
| 22:20.02 | curtis | binarymutant: will this game run on a laptop? |
| 22:20.34 | binarymutant | curtis: not the one I have :) |
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| 22:20.57 | curtis | binarymutant: what about the one that i installed? |
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| 22:21.31 | binarymutant | curtis: ? |
| 22:21.32 | EmleyMoor | I would like the British Dvorak layout by default rather than having to select it per window |
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| 22:23.31 | curtis | binarymutant: lets talk in a PM |
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| 22:31.57 | LimCore | ok I still can not find a solution |
| 22:32.08 | LimCore | my problem is the same as in http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/comp-security-ssh/251991-ssh-hosts-allow-hosts-deny-dyndns-names.html |
| 22:32.18 | LimCore | I want to use foo.dyndns.org in hosts.allow |
| 22:33.15 | zleap | any ideas on lack of internet |
| 22:33.30 | zleap | please |
| 22:33.52 | zleap | i have tried to modify resolv.conf manually but to no avail |
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| 22:34.37 | zleap | hi rebel_kid |
| 22:34.54 | rebel_kid | hello zleap |
| 22:36.43 | zleap | hello |
| 22:36.47 | n3kl | hello |
| 22:37.08 | zleap | i have just upgraded to lenny, rebooted and lost my internet connection from the debian box |
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| 22:37.56 | zleap | it seems that resolv.conf is now empty but the network config tool in kde is not saving anything |
| 22:37.59 | beware | ouch. |
| 22:38.10 | beware | erm, i take it this isnt some remote server |
| 22:38.18 | beware | with the support team gone for the weekend |
| 22:38.21 | zleap | i am on a 2nd pc |
| 22:38.46 | beware | can you fill in the config files manually |
| 22:38.57 | zleap | no |
| 22:39.02 | zleap | i can't edit as root |
| 22:39.08 | zleap | which seems odd |
| 22:39.14 | beware | hm... |
| 22:39.16 | beware | sudo? |
| 22:39.21 | themill | that seems like a more pressing problem to solve |
| 22:39.27 | zleap | yeah |
| 22:39.36 | zleap | well i am using su to get to root |
| 22:39.43 | zleap | then editing the resolv.conf file |
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| 22:39.57 | zleap | i can use this box for the moment, |
| 22:40.17 | LimCore | zleap: try also #networking perhaps |
| 22:40.19 | zleap | as I can check mail via webmail it just seems odd it would just go, when it has kept all my other settings |
| 22:40.22 | zleap | ok |
| 22:40.23 | zleap | thanks |
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| 22:41.06 | themill | This is likely to be a debian-specific config problem, but until you tell us useful information, there's nothing we can do to help. |
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| 22:43.20 | _Sam-- | LimCore : its not the complicated. you make a dyndns hostname. you get a linux dyndns client. you tell the machine to allow access from that host and no others. |
| 22:43.25 | _Sam-- | s/the/that |
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| 22:44.17 | _Sam-- | personally, i use iptables, not hosts.allow/deny.... and have some users doing the same thing you want to do. |
| 22:44.33 | LimCore | _Sam--: I already do have a dyndns.org name. Yet, if I put that to hosts.allow on server, then it doesn work, since server looks at the ISP-provided host name, instead checking this IP is also foo.dyndns.org |
| 22:44.40 | thebeerhunter | hey, is there a dev channel? |
| 22:44.46 | thebeerhunter | debian-dev ? |
| 22:44.50 | seed | what will the new testing be called? |
| 22:44.59 | seed | after lenny is stable |
| 22:45.06 | _Sam-- | LimCore: all i can tell you is that your problem is user error or lack of knowledge -- i know neither of those statments help you fix the problem. but you will figure it out. |
| 22:45.09 | merlo | and when it will be released as stable? |
| 22:45.09 | themill | !squeeze |
| 22:45.10 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 22:45.16 | thebeerhunter | seed, good question |
| 22:45.35 | LimCore | _Sam--: ........ |
| 22:45.38 | merlo | i mean lenny |
| 22:45.52 | themill | !wwlr |
| 22:45.52 | _Sam-- | iptables uses the forward lookup of the hostname, the ISP issued reverse dns name of the IP becomes irrelevant. |
| 22:45.52 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 22:45.58 | seed | k. cool |
| 22:46.02 | LimCore | ok, anyone knows how to tell hosts allow to lookup hostnames in the file in case they are dynamic and not matching revdns from isp??? |
| 22:46.17 | thebeerhunter | i have been running lenny for months now, I love it.. etch seemed to be a little out of date.. .maybe i just favor testing |
| 22:46.36 | seed | can't wait to get squeeze |
| 22:47.05 | _Sam-- | LimCore : do you use iptables on your machine for other firewalling? |
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| 22:47.30 | LimCore | _Sam--: currently no firewall |
| 22:47.47 | LimCore | takes away /nick command from tarzxvf-away-age |
| 22:47.59 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.03 | LimCore | _Sam--: ip tables also do not do lookups like that |
| 22:48.12 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.19 | LimCore | _Sam--: no, it will not work |
| 22:48.25 | _Sam-- | you're very wrong. |
| 22:48.29 | _Sam-- | i use it myself for my own hosts. |
| 22:48.34 | thebeerhunter-ha | what is the proper way to load rules into iptables on boot? |
| 22:48.38 | LimCore | _Sam--: no |
| 22:48.38 | _Sam-- | if your ip changes, you have to update the iptables rules. |
| 22:48.50 | _Sam-- | limecore: ok FINE, you're right. you must know how to do it proper then. |
| 22:48.53 | LimCore | _Sam--: do you use that for dyndns host? |
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| 22:48.59 | _Sam-- | LimCore : forget it. |
| 22:49.18 | LimCore | its sad freenode is more and more full of people that lack clue to even understans what the problem is |
| 22:49.46 | thebeerhunter-ha | LimCore, that was harsh |
| 22:49.48 | _Sam-- | if thats your belief -- that i dont understand your problem -- then fine. |
| 22:49.53 | _Sam-- | i know exactly what it is. |
| 22:49.54 | LimCore | _Sam--: it WORKS for REAL hosts (assigned by ISPs), but do NOT work for however-it-is-callled-hosts like dyndns.org, because iptables would had to do a lookup on foo.dyndns.org all the time |
| 22:50.17 | _Sam-- | iptables would lookup foo.dyndns.org as your correct ip -- every time. |
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| 22:50.24 | _Sam-- | but im done helping you. |
| 22:50.29 | LimCore | _Sam--: ok, do you understand that the problem is that all sollutions DO work for some foo.ISP.com -but- they fail for foo.dyndns.org? is that clear |
| 22:50.31 | themill | suspects that LimCore and _Sam-- are configuring different things |
| 22:50.55 | LimCore | ok, perhaps Im wrong about iptables, I will check. |
| 22:51.20 | LimCore | Things like that should be in the man |
| 22:51.31 | LimCore | that one can use hostname... and how often is it looked up, etc |
| 22:51.38 | x|e | any reason my X-Session should just restart itself without me telling it to? |
| 22:52.03 | Tramp | LimCore: names will be resolved, when a rule is inserted (and the rule will then be inserted with the resulting IP) |
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| 22:52.11 | LimCore | x|e: I had that (actually on ubuntu but should be same) afair from bugs in xorg and/org gfx driver (nvidia) |
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| 22:52.37 | LimCore | Tramp: thank you; _Sam--: so your solution will NOT work, because IP changes each 24 hours |
| 22:52.37 | x|e | hmm... |
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| 22:52.55 | LimCore | x|e: try looking perhaps into /ver/log .. Xorg... and perhaps ~/.Xsesson... |
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| 22:52.57 | _Sam-- | you update the firewall rules with a script in cron every so often to account for it. |
| 22:53.03 | x|e | ya it gets annoying when i open an application like iceape.. and then my X-session restarts |
| 22:53.06 | _Sam-- | (at least *I* do) |
| 22:53.07 | LimCore | _Sam--: thansk, that is a good solution finally :) |
| 22:53.09 | zrin | how can I grant access to all usb devices to the group "staff"? |
| 22:53.18 | Tramp | LimCore: I think, the only solution to your problem is a script which looks up the dyndns-entry and then modifies either the iptables-ruleset or the hosts_access files |
| 22:53.31 | thebeerhunter-ha | a good way for dealing w/ dyndns and no-ip is to use /etc/hosts.* rather than iptables |
| 22:53.36 | themill | _Sam--: why not do it from a script is called when the dhcp client gets a new lease instead? |
| 22:53.38 | LimCore | _Sam--: however, updating iptables and/or hosts.allow from cron doesnt fall into "easy solution" as for me.... Strange that there is no easier way to do this |
| 22:53.48 | _Sam-- | milligan_: they arent on dhcp, not mine. |
| 22:53.51 | _Sam-- | er themill. |
| 22:53.51 | LimCore | themill: the client gets a new lease |
| 22:53.57 | LimCore | not server |
| 22:54.07 | _Sam-- | the clients need to connect to our vpn. |
| 22:54.08 | binarymutant | zrin: chgrp |
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| 22:54.15 | _Sam-- | and we only allow specified hosts through the firewall |
| 22:54.20 | _Sam-- | some of them use dyndsn. |
| 22:54.22 | themill | ahh |
| 22:54.26 | LimCore | Tramp: yeah :/ |
| 22:54.35 | LimCore | Im shocked there is no existing full solution for this problem |
| 22:54.43 | LimCore | can kernel easly do a lookup? |
| 22:54.48 | themill | no |
| 22:54.48 | _Sam-- | its not a problem, therefore no solutions need existence. |
| 22:54.53 | zrin | binarymutant: will that include all usb devices not yet connected? |
| 22:55.02 | _Sam-- | the solutions do exist, you just fail to accept them. |
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| 22:55.12 | binarymutant | zrin: uh no srry |
| 22:55.38 | LimCore | _Sam--: the soltion with crontab is more or less easy then, like: iptables ... -s --resolve-on-expire foo.dyndns.org |
| 22:55.45 | _Sam-- | not mine. |
| 22:56.02 | LimCore | you are talking about other solution then crontab updating the config? ok, which one? |
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| 22:56.05 | deface | does anyone have a server @ skiplink ? |
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| 22:56.16 | _Sam-- | im done with your assistance. good luck. |
| 22:57.09 | binarymutant | zrin: try http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html if your using HAL |
| 22:57.13 | LimCore | with iptables, can I easly replace one rule? |
| 22:57.33 | LimCore | like.. assign a name to a rule, and then delete only it, without rebulding and rerunning entire script |
| 22:57.52 | zrin | binarymutant: thank you |
| 22:58.07 | _Sam-- | LimCore: you already said you have NO FIREWALL rules previously...so what do you care if they all get wiped out? |
| 22:58.39 | _Sam-- | <LimCore> _Sam--: currently no firewall |
| 22:58.59 | wols | LimCore: iptables -D |
| 22:59.42 | Tramp | LimCore: in this case I would probably have it in a user-defined chain (with just this 1 rule), then flush this chain and add the new rule into this chain |
| 22:59.54 | dustybin | this is a interesting package! http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/fortunes-bofh-excuses |
| 22:59.56 | LimCore | _Sam--: yes, I am going to write them |
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| 23:01.09 | LimCore | Tramp: good idea, thanks |
| 23:01.39 | _Sam-- | i dont see how iptables -F in the script, then re-running all the rules causing much problem either. |
| 23:02.14 | _Sam-- | tramps is cleaner, maybe not easier :) |
| 23:02.19 | LimCore | _Sam--: well I just find it less elegant solution. Plus (not my case) what if the script would be really long |
| 23:02.33 | _Sam-- | it doesnt take very long to run an iptables script. |
| 23:02.40 | _Sam-- | (to add or flush the rules). |
| 23:03.04 | _Sam-- | but whatever works for you is just fine by me. |
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| 23:05.15 | LimCore | sighs and reads up on the topic |
| 23:06.17 | LimCore | what was that command that logs something to system log? |
| 23:06.29 | koollman | LimCore: logger ? |
| 23:07.16 | LimCore | heh... I read that man page but I thought it is something else the first time. yes |
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| 23:09.22 | spersaud | I finally have two computers ......... time for some networking !! |
| 23:09.43 | LimCore | spersaud: yey. What are you setting up? I will have to time with that too soon I hope |
| 23:09.44 | spersaud | actually I gave this computer to my cousin and he gave it back to me and bought a WINDOWS PC !! heh |
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| 23:10.11 | spersaud | SAMBA, mostly ... printer and files, |
| 23:11.17 | spersaud | LimCore: I am running etch on this, ... best of both worlds |
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| 23:12.08 | LimCore | spersaud: cool stuff might be: sshfs; also, using ##nexenta for a file server and connecting to that (ZFS, ftw) |
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| 23:13.48 | dextervip | does know why my ssh key is failing on login? here is the debug log http://pastehere.net/11 |
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| 23:14.05 | shivraj | haha |
| 23:14.32 | shivraj | my girlfriend plugged the computer out... |
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| 23:16.59 | Romario | hi guys, i've just installed debian etch and now i am searching for a package called gnome-web-photo. i know it from other distros such ubuntu or opensuse |
| 23:17.14 | Romario | anyone has a clue where i can find it in debian? |
| 23:17.25 | JPT | you might do an apt-search <keyword> |
| 23:17.36 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-web-photo |
| 23:17.38 | judd | abrotman: gnome-web-photo: |
| 23:17.40 | Romario | i can't find it using apt-cache |
| 23:17.44 | Wyzard | There doesn't seem to be any package in Debian with that name |
| 23:17.55 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 23:18.02 | JPT | argh..right... it's apt-cache search |
| 23:18.09 | Romario | oh, dear |
| 23:18.31 | Romario | well, ok...i'll try downloading it from the gnome ftps |
| 23:18.41 | Romario | and compile it on my own. thx |
| 23:20.45 | cafuego | abrotman: ah, there you are. |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | cafuego: oh come on .. like it's hard to find me :) |
| 23:21.50 | cafuego | you weren't on #dweebian this time yesterday |
| 23:21.56 | abrotman | cafuego: no .. i was beering |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | cafuego: i was looking for simple webified ftp type thing .. but i foudn some stuff to do it |
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| 23:22.12 | cafuego | ticks a box in the 'lack of dedication' column |
| 23:22.32 | abrotman | cafuego: the sdms would probably work .. but it was probably overkill |
| 23:22.37 | cafuego | abrotman: cool. sdms is abandonware... and though someone did do a psql port, the code is old and probably full of vulns. |
| 23:22.50 | abrotman | cafuego: yeah .. i did notice that last update |
| 23:23.03 | rgouveia | hi ... does anybody know why silky is not on the official packages? |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | cafuego: i just remembered that it existed |
| 23:23.08 | cafuego | it uses globals - eep ;-) |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | well ... it is php! |
| 23:23.32 | cafuego | php3, no less. just more-or-less ported to 4 |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | rgouveia: silky is in etch |
| 23:24.01 | rgouveia | abrotman: but not on lenny? |
| 23:24.16 | abrotman | rgouveia: it has a bug that it doesn't compile with newer libsilc |
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| 23:25.03 | abrotman | rgouveia: couldn't you like .. use xchat? :) |
| 23:25.26 | rgouveia | well, I guess I could ... extra plugin? |
| 23:25.46 | abrotman | plugin for what? |
| 23:25.56 | rgouveia | silc |
| 23:26.29 | psychonate | Can I configure IP masquerading for two separate LAN interfaces? |
| 23:26.32 | cafuego | irssi supports silc. problem solved. |
| 23:26.48 | rgouveia | I already use silclient |
| 23:27.05 | cafuego | psychonate: of course. Just add 2 firewall rules (or one that covers both) |
| 23:27.08 | rgouveia | I was just wondering about some gui version for my desktop |
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| 23:27.40 | psychonate | excellent; I need another crossover cable first though |
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| 23:29.07 | cafuego | thinks coffee is more important |
| 23:29.14 | shivraj | how can you find out what WORKGROUP a computer belongs to ? |
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| 23:29.31 | michael | hello i need a debian kernel from apt with e1000e module in it, most only have e1000 in it, which should i use? |
| 23:30.49 | shivraj | michael try 2.6.23-1-686 .. its the most up to date |
| 23:31.13 | thebeerhunter-ha | shivraj, not the latest? |
| 23:31.16 | michael | its not that new a module |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | michael: which version of debian ? |
| 23:31.20 | binarymutant | anyone know how I can stop dzen2 from overlapping my windows? |
| 23:31.23 | michael | etch |
| 23:31.29 | shivraj | thebeerhunter-ha: the newest whatever it is then |
| 23:31.31 | themill | michael: 2.6.26 is available from backports.org |
| 23:31.41 | abrotman | michael: there is a .24 kernel with etchnhalf .. but doesn't the e1000e require firmware? |
| 23:31.43 | thebeerhunter-ha | michael, consider lenny |
| 23:32.10 | thebeerhunter-ha | i think that is a in the newest kernel |
| 23:32.24 | michael | i get the kernel booted without e1000e , and it loads pci interrupts for all my netcards, but i cannot bring them up, no such devices /dev/eth* what can be wrong? |
| 23:32.24 | thebeerhunter-ha | isn't that the gigabit firmware issue driver? |
| 23:32.30 | Wyzard | Isn't there a major bug with e1000e in recent kernels? |
| 23:32.35 | thebeerhunter-ha | yes! |
| 23:32.38 | michael | i tried adding correct interfaces entries for them, but the devices are nonexistant, so perhaps wrong driver? |
| 23:32.44 | cafuego | /dev/eth* never exists anyway. |
| 23:32.53 | thebeerhunter-ha | you need the NEWEST kernel for the bug fix i think |
| 23:33.06 | michael | what major bug? |
| 23:33.17 | thebeerhunter-ha | it will kill the firmware |
| 23:33.18 | Wyzard | From what I read, 2.6.27 doesn't actually fix the bug to make the e1000e work; it just prevents it from hosing the card's firmware |
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| 23:33.30 | thebeerhunter-ha | be careful !!!!! |
| 23:33.31 | michael | anyway i got 2 intel 1000 MT server adapter pci-x 133 |
| 23:33.32 | cafuego | the one where they get hosed due to a type on intels code ;-) |
| 23:33.38 | michael | so wonder if its e1000 or e1000e |
| 23:33.52 | michael | its 32/64bit pci, but also says pci-x 133 |
| 23:34.00 | michael | so that isnt e1000e (express) isnt it? |
| 23:34.19 | michael | as pci-x != pci-e |
| 23:34.35 | thebeerhunter-ha | i think it is the chipset, not the interface... i am not sure though |
| 23:34.38 | michael | its 82546GB |
| 23:34.40 | cafuego | it may as well be in marketing land |
| 23:35.00 | michael | any idea why the devices dont exist? |
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| 23:35.16 | cafuego | network devices don't have device files |
| 23:35.18 | michael | it clearly says e1000 eth0 probe 1000 network connection |
| 23:35.26 | michael | in dmesg, for eth0 to eth5 |
| 23:35.37 | cafuego | Does `ifconfig -a' list them? |
| 23:35.48 | michael | yes |
| 23:35.54 | michael | but i cannot add them in interfaces |
| 23:35.57 | cafuego | So they're there. |
| 23:36.09 | cafuego | Try running ifconfig, see what that says |
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| 23:36.19 | cafuego | ifconfig eth0 10.10.0.1 ... etc |
| 23:36.23 | michael | it says lo only |
| 23:36.59 | thebeerhunter-ha | .27 has a fix, if that is the driver, you should use that |
| 23:37.13 | michael | i tried "ifconfig eth0 address 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" |
| 23:37.21 | michael | it says "address: hostname lookup failure" |
| 23:37.46 | michael | its 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 23:39.03 | michael | oh it works now, funny. |
| 23:39.31 | michael | but i forgot how i boot dpt_i2o + xfs :) |
| 23:39.46 | michael | if its possible without an initrd, that would be great, just cant find the right kernel options for it it seems |
| 23:41.15 | cafuego | Not unless dpt_i2o and all it depend on are compiled-in |
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| 23:44.27 | wols | which is unlikely |
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| 23:46.09 | cafuego | michael: for the record, one does not specify the string "address" in ifconfig. |
| 23:47.12 | michael | well i compiled dpt_i2o and all i2o and all scsi and xfs in :) |
| 23:47.14 | cafuego | does understand the dislike of initrds anyway |
| 23:47.20 | michael | and lsmodded the debian kernel |
| 23:47.23 | cafuego | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 23:48.35 | neoice_ | what can I do if I know the .24 kernel will cause my hardware to panic, but I want lenny? just wait it out? |
| 23:48.48 | cafuego | Use lenny with a different kernel. |
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| 23:49.13 | cafuego | You can either customise the iso with your own compiled one, or ptrobably fine a lenny with a newer kernel. |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | neoice_: lenny has a .26 kernel |
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| 23:52.54 | neoice_ | I'm trying to track down the exact bug report that effected me, I shoulda book marked it |
| 23:54.09 | basix | if i install lenny and i wish to install the most bleeding edge application which is found in sid's repos, can i install it? is mixing packages from testing and unstable dangerous? i.e. i install the whole system with testing but i want the latest Iceweasel release so I get that from unstable, will i see any problems? |
| 23:54.59 | themill | judd versions iceweasel |
| 23:55.00 | judd | themill: iceweasel: 2.0.0.15-0etch1 (etch) 2.0.0.17-0etch1 (etch-security) 3.0.3-2 (lenny) 3.0.3-2 (sid) |
| 23:55.07 | abrotman | neoice_: so use the dailly lenny installer .. it has a .26 kernel |
| 23:55.09 | themill | basix: it's the same version in lenny and sid |
| 23:56.07 | cafuego | basix: it's not usually recommended, libc versions may differ, causing it to trigger completed upgrades. |
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| 23:57.45 | basix | umm...iceweasel was an example. i was reading this post here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=264534#post264534 |
| 23:57.57 | LemensTS | i installed gnome-core, now how do i install the synaptic package manager for it? |
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| 23:59.04 | abrotman | LemensTS: aptitude install synaptic |
| 23:59.09 | themill | basix: testing/unstable usually works that way. lenny/sid will stop (has stopped) working that way now as lenny is in freeze. |
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