| 00:00.09 | Guerin | ma3x: set the rate to 11mbit |
| 00:00.10 | themill | basix: also, /msg dpkg version chasing |
| 00:02.00 | ma3x | on the router or the nic? |
| 00:02.04 | basix | themill, okay. is there a way to directly install from the unstable repos? Boot / netinst CD? |
| 00:02.28 | themill | basix: (a) no (b) if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 00:02.38 | shivraj | does anyone know where I can find the mencoder package ? |
| 00:02.47 | shivraj | for dvd creation ? |
| 00:02.48 | Guerin | shivraj: /msg dpkg mencoder |
| 00:02.51 | themill | basix: (c) yes, with some monkeying. |
| 00:02.58 | Guerin | ma3x: nic. |
| 00:03.06 | Guerin | ma3x: using iwconfig |
| 00:05.28 | basix | themill, i know its somewhere on the debian servers. i'm just too lazy to get off my ass and find it. i have install Sid from a flash drive on a stupid T400 which was possibly an IMPOSSIBLE task at the time because there was almost zero support for the Montevina platform... |
| 00:05.41 | basix | s/install/installed |
| 00:05.58 | cafuego | hmmm, monkeying |
| 00:06.10 | cafuego | repeatedly pokes it with a stick |
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| 00:06.27 | themill | basix: see, you being too lazy to work that out is a good barrier because you will presumably also be too lazy to solve the problems that come with running sid. Hence, I'm doing #debian a favour by not telling you how to install sid. |
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| 00:08.24 | basix | themill, gah...! i dont impose on #debian for my problems! :P and frankly i've never come across issues running any applications on unstable. |
| 00:08.59 | cafuego | basix: You've not done it for long enough then. |
| 00:09.37 | basix | cafuego, done what? |
| 00:09.40 | thebeerhunter-ha | is there a good asteroids package? |
| 00:09.49 | cafuego | run unstable for long enough |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | thebeerhunter-ha: like the game? |
| 00:10.00 | thebeerhunter-ha | yep |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | thebeerhunter-ha: apt-cache search asteroids ? |
| 00:10.29 | thebeerhunter-ha | there are a few, i am asking if anyone knows which is best |
| 00:10.50 | basix | cafuego, hmm...well i guess my requirements are pretty static. i dont go apt-get upgrade everyday |
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| 00:11.50 | cafuego | recalls the pam caffe of some years ago, and the broken passwd file rewrite |
| 00:11.54 | cafuego | s/c/g/ |
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| 00:12.33 | abrotman | cafuego: what .. you didn't do the linuxgazette package ? |
| 00:12.43 | cafuego | abrotman: Nope |
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| 00:14.06 | euzao | is someone here using etch and a half with nvidia? |
| 00:14.24 | wols | euzao: the answer won't change no matter how long you ask |
| 00:14.29 | smack | I updated my proprietary flash player to version 10 from debian-multimedia.org today and now youtube is saying I have an old version or javascript turned off. Anyone heard of this issue? |
| 00:14.38 | wols | either compile from nvidia-kernel-source or no driver |
| 00:14.40 | seed | is open office 3 in lenny? |
| 00:14.53 | wols | seed: no and it won't be in ever |
| 00:15.10 | seed | k |
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| 00:16.25 | cafuego | smack: Is youtube doing an if { version == 9 { foo } else { old } |
| 00:16.32 | LemensTS | anyone know where the default mozilla installation directory is? |
| 00:16.44 | euzao | wols, ok, how do I compile it? |
| 00:16.44 | wols | LemensTS: dpkg -L <package> |
| 00:16.53 | wols | !tell euzao about nvidia |
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| 00:18.30 | euzao | wols, I'm trusting hum |
| 00:18.31 | euzao | hehe |
| 00:18.43 | smack | cafuego: not sure, I did a search in the html of a youtube video page and didn't find anything telling. |
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| 00:19.13 | cafuego | I might give 10 a try, seeing as 9 keeps on crashing and blocking alsa |
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| 00:23.37 | cafuego | Oh fail. iit's 10 already and still crashing. |
| 00:23.47 | smack | I hate flash with a passion.. |
| 00:25.07 | cafuego | If failblog didn't need it from time to time I'd uninstall it |
| 00:25.25 | cafuego | Then again, it never crashes on my mac, so it's probably nspluginwrapper fail |
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| 00:25.59 | trifler | One uses javac to compile java in *nix? |
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| 00:27.11 | smack | yep |
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| 00:27.56 | wols | trifler: that's one way, yesd |
| 00:27.59 | smack | shit, going back to flash 9 doesn't work now. |
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| 00:29.07 | teratoma | lenny oh lenny where art thou lenny |
| 00:29.21 | smack | ahh, just had to delete pluginreg.dat, start firefox, start epiphany and it started working. flash 9 that is. |
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| 00:30.58 | trifler | wols: is there a better one? |
| 00:31.34 | smack | I think I'm going to set myself on fire in front of the adobe headquarters. |
| 00:32.32 | trifler | smack: with the help of a digital camera and adobe photoshop? |
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| 00:32.54 | euzao | wols, well |
| 00:32.59 | euzao | the compilation is failing |
| 00:33.06 | euzao | !tell nvidia euzao |
| 00:33.17 | jelly-home | euzao: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:39.12 | euzao | wols, it failing all the time |
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| 00:39.44 | b-04 | is away: cenando |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | !tell b-04 about away |
| 00:40.41 | smack | trifler: I'll use the gimp! ;)) |
| 00:41.41 | trifler | smack: yeah stick it to them good :) |
| 00:41.57 | euzao | wols, your advice wasn't very great |
| 00:43.18 | b-04 | abrotman, |
| 00:43.36 | b-04 | is prohibited away'? :( |
| 00:43.57 | b-04 | sorry, i like the xchat away |
| 00:44.01 | b-04 | b-04 is gone hahaha |
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| 00:46.10 | PovAddict | how do I stop ~ from being a "dead key"? |
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| 00:49.28 | PovAddict | I recall there was a flamewar/bug report about that |
| 00:49.35 | PovAddict | ~ being a dead key on spanish keyb. layouts |
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| 00:50.42 | petemc | its in different places on different keyboards |
| 00:50.48 | messed-up | hi all.. im having a problem here. i downloaded the newest debian version. verifyied the disk, all ok,, started to install. i hangs. so i downloaded again.. same problem.. then i got the netinstall version.. but this version doesnt find my network card. what do i do? i know the module it uses its bcm43xx. i remember that from kubuntu 7.04. but i cant not load that module in the netversion,, im stuck :( |
| 00:51.06 | PovAddict | petemc: do you know what I mean with "dead key"? |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | messed-up: you would need firmware for that |
| 00:51.29 | PovAddict | I have to press ~ then spacebar to get the actual symbol |
| 00:51.35 | petemc | i took it at its literal meaning |
| 00:51.53 | petemc | ~ |
| 00:52.04 | PovAddict | a dead key is a key that does nothing when pressed by itself, it acts as a modifier for the next one |
| 00:52.19 | petemc | good to know |
| 00:52.33 | PovAddict | ´ + a = á, and to get the ´ symbol I have to press ´ and spacebar, or ´ twice |
| 00:52.48 | PovAddict | how do I stop ~ from doing the same? it's really annoying while using a console :) |
| 00:53.01 | messed-up | my network card is a wifi card.. |
| 00:53.29 | messed-up | i tried to use b43legacy driver. but im still stuck .. since ther is no iwconfig |
| 00:53.49 | messed-up | what are my options? |
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| 00:54.15 | shivraj | is it only possible to convert .divx to dvd ? |
| 00:54.22 | shivraj | no other sorts of videos ? |
| 00:54.27 | shivraj | *** not |
| 00:54.48 | PovAddict | how's that a debian question... anyway, you can convert it to any format you can encode |
| 00:54.56 | shivraj | messed-up: whats the problem I use b43 .. |
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| 00:54.56 | PovAddict | depends on what tool you're using |
| 00:54.59 | petemc | or transcode |
| 00:55.15 | petemc | seeing as we're being specific |
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| 00:55.51 | shivraj | petemc: I have all of the tools, the videos are messed up |
| 00:55.53 | messed-up | can anyone help me? |
| 00:56.04 | shivraj | messed-up: I dont think thats a package in debian |
| 00:56.12 | avu | messed-up, abrotman already told you, you need firmware |
| 00:56.16 | shivraj | messed-up: you will have to get the firmware yourself |
| 00:56.27 | avu | b42-fwcutter does that for you |
| 00:56.31 | avu | 43 even |
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| 00:56.59 | shivraj | you will need to use a different version depending on what kernel you have |
| 00:57.06 | shivraj | !tell messed-up b43 |
| 00:57.12 | shivraj | !tell shivraj b43 |
| 00:57.25 | messed-up | ehh,, im sitting in winblows now.. where do i get b42 fwcutter.. and how can i set up my wifi without iwconfig? |
| 00:57.39 | shivraj | messed-up: /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 00:58.04 | shivraj | messed-up: just follow the directions very carefully depending on what kernel you have |
| 00:58.32 | messed-up | but what about iwconfig? |
| 00:58.57 | shivraj | messed-up: if you have 2.6.25 or later use version 11 ... else use bcm43 legacy |
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| 00:59.10 | shivraj | messed-up: install wireless-tools |
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| 00:59.38 | messed-up | i have nothing atm.. all i have is a baseinstall from net install.. since i got no wifi support there |
| 00:59.48 | shivraj | messed-up: its on the cd .. |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | it is not |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | oh .. the firmware is not |
| 01:00.03 | messed-up | i cant find it |
| 01:00.10 | shivraj | messed-up: if you can get access to a wire connection by all means do |
| 01:00.12 | messed-up | lemme check again |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | messed-up: you don't have any wired LAN ? |
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| 01:00.24 | messed-up | no |
| 01:00.36 | messed-up | only wifi |
| 01:01.04 | shivraj | messed-up: download the files in windows store it on your digital camera then plug it in linux and mount it copy files to linux |
| 01:01.23 | messed-up | i can try that |
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| 01:02.03 | shivraj | messed-up: I've done it it works, ... now I always keep those files handy in my /home partition which will never get destroyed, (hopefully) |
| 01:02.31 | messed-up | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.46 | messed-up | so whee do i get the files from. |
| 01:02.55 | dudeman | how can I generate a sound from my soundcard using command line and accessing it directly s |
| 01:02.59 | dudeman | somehow |
| 01:03.37 | dudeman | like I want to tell my soundcard to play a certain frequency for like 10 pulses per second |
| 01:03.40 | dudeman | is there way to do this? |
| 01:03.47 | shivraj | dudeman: I think you need pcm data file |
| 01:04.16 | shivraj | messed-up: tahts because you are using a netinst cd |
| 01:04.40 | shivraj | messed-up: burn cd1 in linux and always keep it (all 650 mb) |
| 01:04.56 | b-04 | abrotman, i can put mi away gone message? i promisse never put other this message, please |
| 01:05.02 | b-04 | only for this |
| 01:05.05 | b-04 | i can test :) |
| 01:05.48 | dudeman | shivraj, well I search around for 'pcm data files' not finding much of anything |
| 01:05.53 | messed-up | redownloading then.. i tried with dvd version.. no luck.. i dl 2 times.. all my pc do is hang |
| 01:05.55 | dudeman | shivraj, what exactly do you mean |
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| 01:06.25 | b-04 | abrotman, i go , thanks |
| 01:06.25 | shivraj | dudeman: I dont know, .. you will have to send the sound card data it understands, ... I dont know of any tools that does what you want .. |
| 01:06.28 | b-04 | is away: Estoy ocupado |
| 01:06.37 | b-04 | sorry |
| 01:06.39 | b-04 | not work good |
| 01:06.59 | shivraj | messed-up: are you downloading etch ? or lenny ? |
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| 01:07.08 | messed-up | version 4 |
| 01:07.18 | JKnife | I upgraded from etch to lenny, due to versions of some software and what patches they had, and now in X my mouse lags REALL badly, it is a USB based mouse. I have used the mouse and evdev driver, vesa video driver cause i thought it was the radeon{hd} driver |
| 01:07.26 | shivraj | messed-up: I would go for etch .. yeah thats etch ... get full cd not dvd |
| 01:07.26 | JKnife | anyone else exp this sorta problem? |
| 01:07.41 | dudeman | hmm |
| 01:07.44 | dudeman | dangit! |
| 01:08.17 | messed-up | shivraj ok.. dl cd1 now.. thanks for you time and help.. i\ll go drink some coffee while its downloading |
| 01:08.29 | shivraj | messed-up: very well |
| 01:08.47 | jdrake | Is there any way of getting a search in aptitude to be like a filter where it only displays what matches your search? |
| 01:09.22 | shivraj | JKnife: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:09.56 | shivraj | jdrake: apt-cache search blah | grep 'blah de doo' |
| 01:10.12 | shivraj | jdrake: or aptitude-search blah | grep 'blah de doo' |
| 01:10.23 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: you want 'l' |
| 01:10.26 | Wyzard | JKnife: The vesa video driver is completely unaccelerated and poor performance is to be expected |
| 01:10.29 | petemc | jdrake: aptitude has very powerful search mechanisms, check /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ |
| 01:10.35 | JKnife | shivraj: tried it |
| 01:10.37 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: see the manual, and read about limits |
| 01:10.41 | dudeman | I installed timidity and freepats and I have a midi I made that does what I wanted, when I type timidity test.midi I get an error No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 49 - this instrument will not be heard |
| 01:10.45 | JKnife | Wyzard: it was working fine in Etch |
| 01:10.45 | dudeman | No pre-resampling cache hit |
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| 01:10.54 | Wyzard | JKnife: Were you using the vesa driver in etch? |
| 01:10.59 | JKnife | yes |
| 01:11.08 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 01:11.10 | dudeman | I have checked the lenny BTS on both packages freepats as well as timidity and I do not see anything of the sort listed |
| 01:11.16 | JKnife | fglrx locked up and that version of radeon{hd} didn't work with my card |
| 01:11.17 | Wyzard | but vesa would be the first thing I'd troubleshoot |
| 01:11.24 | Wyzard | mouse aside, it lags just dragging windows around |
| 01:11.37 | dudeman | I'm not sure what else I need to do, I read the README files in the /usr/share/doc of this and everything seemingly is ok |
| 01:11.41 | jdrake | dondelelcaro, that helps a bit, but getting rid of categories and just having a flat display would be nice |
| 01:11.43 | dudeman | Please advise. |
| 01:11.47 | JKnife | havn't gotten that far.. keyboard input doesn't lag... |
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| 01:11.55 | JKnife | grr will have to deal with it another time |
| 01:12.01 | jdrake | got it |
| 01:12.12 | jdrake | dondelelcaro, thank youf ro the 'l' it works perfect for me now |
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| 01:13.40 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: you can also do that, if you want, but expanding all of the categories is trivial. |
| 01:14.33 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: there's also the "flat package list" (from the views menu) |
| 01:14.44 | jdrake | dondelelcaro, yes, that is what I just found |
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| 01:14.49 | jdrake | Any way of making flat the default? |
| 01:15.12 | dudeman | and /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg is being sourced in timidity.cfg and freepats.cfg has the instruments in tone bank 0 |
| 01:15.33 | dudeman | I can't figure out why I am unable to play midi files.. well I can play them, but I hear nothing, and I get that error |
| 01:16.12 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: by setting Aptitude::UI::Default-Grouping in your configuration |
| 01:16.30 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: see the manual for more information |
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| 01:22.00 | condector | aeeee |
| 01:22.01 | condector | galera |
| 01:22.10 | condector | o Debian-MS esta ca?ando bugs para resolver |
| 01:22.15 | condector | ajudem? |
| 01:22.15 | condector | :D |
| 01:22.25 | Kovensky | condector: #debian-br |
| 01:22.33 | Kovensky | condector: e evite falar portugues aqui :) |
| 01:22.39 | condector | o man |
| 01:22.41 | condector | sorry |
| 01:22.55 | condector | Kovensky, thanks |
| 01:22.56 | condector | sorry |
| 01:23.00 | Kovensky | no problem |
| 01:23.07 | condector | :D |
| 01:23.17 | condector | wrong channel |
| 01:23.18 | condector | :) |
| 01:23.36 | condector | we are a team working toninght to solve some problems |
| 01:23.53 | Kovensky | cool |
| 01:24.01 | condector | around debian lenny |
| 01:24.04 | condector | we need some help |
| 01:24.14 | condector | to choose or to guide us.. |
| 01:24.28 | condector | where I find or found the problems.... |
| 01:24.33 | condector | I use this site |
| 01:24.43 | condector | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
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| 01:35.20 | bunnyto | hi |
| 01:35.30 | condector | hi |
| 01:35.49 | bunnyto | how are you |
| 01:36.02 | condector | fine |
| 01:36.05 | condector | and you? |
| 01:36.08 | bunnyto | whats your name? |
| 01:36.13 | bunnyto | im perfectly |
| 01:36.25 | condector | Brivaldo, and whats yours? |
| 01:36.37 | bunnyto | Pete |
| 01:37.12 | bunnyto | how old are you darling? |
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| 01:38.19 | abrotman | bunnyto: #debian-offtopic .. you've been told before |
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| 01:38.34 | bunnyto | ops sorry abrotman... im 73 years old, i have problems with my memory |
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| 01:42.19 | bunnyto | does anyone remember how to configure the video? |
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| 01:49.04 | condector | :P |
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| 01:49.10 | condector | 25 years old man |
| 01:49.12 | condector | and you? |
| 01:49.30 | condector | bunnyto, what's your problem? |
| 01:49.35 | condector | config xfree? |
| 01:49.56 | bunnyto | yeh, i just google it, i need to add 2 more monitors.. |
| 01:50.03 | condector | hummm |
| 01:50.10 | iLLf8d | anyone running an inspiron 6000? I'm wondering if the canned debian install works for suspend/hibernate yet? |
| 01:50.16 | condector | you need to add two screens and 2 monitors |
| 01:50.26 | condector | and on servers entry |
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| 01:50.47 | bunnyto | well my intention is to have 8 monitors |
| 01:50.55 | bunnyto | 8 x 24 LCD's |
| 01:51.12 | iLLf8d | he told me he's gonna mount them on his ceiling |
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| 01:51.30 | iLLf8d | sorry couldnt resist =P |
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| 01:52.19 | bunnyto | I need to concur , i had that idea, on the ceiling |
| 01:52.36 | condector | humm |
| 01:52.37 | assem | hi guys, just installed debian etchnhalf and the flash-nonfree package is unavailable? any suggestions for flash for iceweasel? |
| 01:52.52 | condector | UFPR on Brazil have a project to have multi-terminals |
| 01:53.04 | bunnyto | in bed 24/7, bed/toilet, bar at left, refri+wave on right |
| 01:53.04 | condector | using isolated 4 machines in one |
| 01:53.09 | condector | huahahuahuahahuaha |
| 01:53.44 | condector | sorry, but is really fun |
| 01:53.52 | JKnife | ok, fixed my problem.. it was the video drivers... *kicks his Radeon HD 2400 Pro AGP* installed fglrx and it works now.. just i hate running fglrx cause ogl locks up... but it is usable now |
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| 01:54.07 | condector | mmm |
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| 01:54.29 | condector | hehehe, the name is xinerama |
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| 02:00.06 | assem | anyone... what's my best bet for flash player/plugin with debian stable |
| 02:00.55 | petemc | flashplugin-nonfree from backports.org |
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| 02:02.53 | euzao | hi I'm failing to build nvidia kernel source! |
| 02:02.59 | euzao | here is the error! http://pastebin.com/m3df931e0 |
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| 02:06.14 | euzao | hi |
| 02:06.24 | bunnyto | euzao: hi sexy |
| 02:06.31 | euzao | sexy?? |
| 02:06.37 | euzao | piss off man |
| 02:06.40 | euzao | I'm a guy |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | bunnyto: stop doing that to people .. last warning |
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| 02:08.25 | enouf | assem: bpo? |
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| 02:08.53 | enouf | ahh petermc answered you |
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| 02:11.31 | Akuw | howw can i know how many file have a direectory? |
| 02:11.44 | Kysh | ls -l | wc -l |
| 02:12.19 | Kysh | Or any number of other methods |
| 02:12.25 | beardy | 'ls -la | wc -l' -2 |
| 02:12.42 | Kysh | Or.. ls -l | wc -l ;> |
| 02:13.00 | beardy | No. |
| 02:13.04 | Akuw | i want to list only file of a specific date |
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| 02:13.06 | avu | still off by one |
| 02:13.10 | Akuw | or size |
| 02:13.18 | beardy | Off by all "hidden". |
| 02:13.23 | beardy | man ls |
| 02:13.26 | beardy | man find |
| 02:13.31 | Kysh | they're hidden for a reason ;> |
| 02:13.31 | avu | and one |
| 02:13.36 | avu | because of the total line |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | Akuw: man find |
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| 02:13.52 | beardy | rm Kysh's .pr0n |
| 02:14.15 | leo_rockw | hello everyone |
| 02:14.36 | avu | ls -1A | wc -l does the trick.. |
| 02:14.43 | avu | no need to use find |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | of a specific date? |
| 02:14.57 | beardy | avu: He said size, date and so on. |
| 02:15.02 | avu | oh |
| 02:15.14 | avu | ok, ok, shoot me |
| 02:15.20 | beardy | !shoot avu |
| 02:15.20 | dpkg | blows avu away with an Uzi |
| 02:15.25 | avu | thanks. |
| 02:15.31 | leo_rockw | I was watching a video and I paused it and I accidentally deleted it. The thing is that I can still watch that video, where is the player getting its information from? I can redownload the file, but I'm just curious... |
| 02:15.32 | beardy | No problem. |
| 02:15.47 | avu | leo_rockw, the file is still there |
| 02:15.56 | avu | leo_rockw, you can even recover it as long as the palyer is running |
| 02:15.59 | Kovensky | better undelete before all refs are lost ._. |
| 02:16.08 | avu | leo_rockw, you only deleted one link |
| 02:16.15 | leo_rockw | avu: it is still running, yeah. How can I get the file back? I looked in /proc/#PID |
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| 02:16.31 | avu | leo_rockw, there's still one in /proc/<pid of player>/fd/ |
| 02:17.18 | avu | leo_rockw, simple cp /proc/<pid of player>/fd/<n> /where/ever.avi |
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| 02:17.29 | leo_rockw | avu: I checked there and I found all pipes |
| 02:17.42 | avu | leo_rockw, find out which n is right with ls -l /proc/<pid of player>/fd |
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| 02:18.05 | avu | leo_rockw, if it's not there, you're not looking at the right pid |
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| 02:18.57 | leo_rockw | avu: I did ps aux | grep [s]mplayer and it returned only one result... |
| 02:19.23 | avu | leo_rockw, show us the output of the ls -l (on a pastebin) |
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| 02:20.03 | leo_rockw | avu: ok |
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| 02:22.01 | leo_rockw | avu: http://pastebin.com/m1a9277b1 |
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| 02:23.09 | avu | leo_rockw, that doesn't seem to be the right pid, sure that smplayer thingy doesn't start a child process to open the video or something? |
| 02:24.38 | avu | if it's an mplayer frontend, it most certainly will do just that |
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| 02:25.06 | leo_rockw | yeah, most likely, let me look for the mplayer PID |
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| 02:25.59 | avu | if you don't know how it's called, you could do ps axf | $PAGER for example, use the pager's search function to jump to the smplayer line and look for children |
| 02:26.24 | Kovensky | leo_rockw: ps aux | grep -v grep | grep mplayer |
| 02:26.29 | Akuw | i have one file .----_> -rw-r--r-- 1 x x 38K 2008-10-17 21:54 a |
| 02:26.41 | Kovensky | it will return both smplayer and mplayer's command line |
| 02:26.43 | Akuw | i am using find /home/x/small -size 39k |
| 02:26.53 | Kovensky | smplayer is the shortest; it call mplayer with a HUEG command line ._. |
| 02:26.53 | Akuw | but got no results |
| 02:27.20 | enouf | http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 02:27.21 | leo_rockw | let me pastebin the result of the new ls -l |
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| 02:27.57 | shivraj | whats the best media player for linux ? |
| 02:28.03 | shivraj | xine ? totem ? vlc ? |
| 02:28.10 | Kovensky | shivraj: none of the alternative |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | try them all and tell us |
| 02:28.13 | Kovensky | +s |
| 02:28.16 | Kovensky | shivraj: mplayer |
| 02:28.21 | shivraj | I think Xine plays videos the best |
| 02:28.21 | Kovensky | :) |
| 02:28.34 | leo_rockw | avu, Kovensky: oh, I found it. Thank you very much. |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | shivraj: so use it |
| 02:28.43 | avu | 04:26 < Kovensky> leo_rockw: ps aux | grep -v grep | grep mplayer |
| 02:28.45 | avu | you're kidding |
| 02:28.47 | avu | man pgrep |
| 02:28.52 | leo_rockw | avu: no, I found the file! |
| 02:28.57 | avu | I meant Kovensky |
| 02:29.01 | leo_rockw | oh, ok |
| 02:29.10 | Kovensky | avu: got used to that ._. |
| 02:29.32 | shivraj | does anyone know how to convert an "ehem" porno divx to dvd format ? |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | what's an ehem ? |
| 02:29.58 | Kovensky | ffmpeg -i file -format dvd-ntsc output.mpg |
| 02:30.03 | Kovensky | for more info, see docs |
| 02:30.24 | shivraj | too bad you guys have no sense of humor |
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| 02:30.54 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 02:31.08 | Wolfcastle | I have installed apache2 php5 and libapache2-php5 |
| 02:31.08 | LimCore | if I have a small, one file foo.cpp C++ program, that depends only on pure C++ std lib etc, is there a really fast tutorial how to pack it |
| 02:31.15 | leo_rockw | well, thank you very much guys! |
| 02:31.25 | LimCore | or better yet, a small c++ program wich source package I can get and just change to mine |
| 02:31.37 | Wolfcastle | but when I put index.php in /var/www and open localhost in my web browser it doesn't display the page! |
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| 02:32.00 | Wolfcastle | any help is appreciated |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | Wolfcastle: tried a new php page? |
| 02:32.30 | Wolfcastle | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 02:32.40 | avu | Wolfcastle, do you enter http://localhost or http://localhost/index.php ? |
| 02:32.46 | avu | Wolfcastle, (try the second if you haven't) |
| 02:33.32 | Wolfcastle | avu: Tried both, it just opens the "open file" dialog |
| 02:33.42 | avu | allthough the default DirectoryIndex lists index.php |
| 02:33.45 | Wolfcastle | is there maybe some configuration file you have to change? |
| 02:34.24 | avu | !tell Wolfcastle about php wants me to download still |
| 02:34.26 | Wolfcastle | It's ok if index.php is a plain html file right? it should open it anyways |
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| 02:34.42 | shivraj | LimCore: thats why they call it opensource |
| 02:34.50 | franco | sup |
| 02:34.56 | avu | to test, it's best if you use a file with just <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it IMO |
| 02:35.01 | franco | Hey Guys |
| 02:35.03 | Wolfcastle | ah ok |
| 02:35.12 | shivraj | LimCore: cut out the part you need and change the name as necessary ... |
| 02:35.18 | Orbixx | Wolfcastle: Correct. |
| 02:35.37 | LimCore | can I see easly packages that are small and made in c++? |
| 02:35.38 | Wolfcastle | ok but still the problem persists |
| 02:35.42 | avu | Wolfcastle, follow the instructions the bot just sent you and you will be fine |
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| 02:35.49 | franco | I had installed Debian 4.0 ETCH on my computer but when I ran it, it stayed on a black window. I reinstalled it and then it said that there was an error with the X server. Can anyone tell me what could be wrong on the debian I installed or any error I might have made? |
| 02:35.52 | Wolfcastle | ah sorry right, the bot, thanx |
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| 02:36.29 | shivraj | LimCore: this is not a programming channel ...... try google |
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| 02:37.10 | Orbixx | franco: x-window-system isn't installed or configured correctly |
| 02:37.20 | Orbixx | To find out more, check the installation logs and the system logs. |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | franco: look in the Xorg.0.log file |
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| 02:39.42 | franco | I mean like |
| 02:39.46 | franco | I can't do anything |
| 02:39.51 | franco | it goes into a fullscreen console window |
| 02:39.52 | franco | :/ |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | i mean like .. look in the Xorg.0.log |
| 02:40.00 | franco | How? |
| 02:40.09 | franco | Right now I'm running on Ubuntu since I couldn't use Debian |
| 02:40.29 | franco | if you can, please do a list and I'll try it. Please! |
| 02:41.12 | enouf | franco: boot into single/1/rescue, mode = no X |
| 02:41.21 | franco | Abrotman: I'll install Debian on a different partition than Ubuntu so that I can run both ok? Then maybe you can help me :P |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | enouf: he's already at the console |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | franco: why not use a console irc client ? |
| 02:42.03 | franco | Abrotman: I don't know how to do that. I am really noob at it. a friend of mine is going to teach me how to use it but he can't help me with that |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | franco: remember creating the root user ? |
| 02:42.19 | franco | Abrotman: What command do I run so that I can view IRC in the console? |
| 02:42.22 | franco | abrotman: Yeah |
| 02:42.42 | leo_rockw | franco: you can use irssi, console IRC |
| 02:42.47 | shivraj | franco: try installing irssi |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | franco: login as root .. and install irssi .. and also look at Xorg.0.log .. you can use 'cat' for that .. the file is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:43.00 | enouf | that made about as much sense as does this ; [22:41:22] Ignoring abrotman!* ... what a relief! |
| 02:43.42 | enouf | but sigh; i can't take you friggin dumbasses tonight |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | enouf: i was gone? |
| 02:44.11 | franco | abrotman: Like I said, I am pretty much noob at this. I'll install Debian again and run irssi. Btw, I just go like: <apt-get install irrsi> right? |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | enouf: you could just uh .. get off the computer |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | franco: yep |
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| 02:44.33 | franco | Ok, I'll be back soon enough :) |
| 02:44.53 | shivraj | does anyone know if its possible to background rtorrent ? |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | why would you? |
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| 02:45.41 | shivraj | abrotman: well I am running it on a computer with no monitor, ....... I want to turn this one off |
| 02:45.48 | franco | abrotman: Maybe I did something wrong during installing. I have a disc btw. |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | shivraj: turn what off ? |
| 02:46.05 | franco | abrotman: When installing, there's a part where you need to choose a mirror to download something. If I just ignore that, will it still work? |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | yes .. but you don't need to reinstall |
| 02:46.26 | shivraj | this computer .... the other one is on 24/7 |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | shivraj: how is backgrounding going to help if you turn it off ? |
| 02:46.46 | shivraj | will rtorrent *.torrent > blah & work ? |
| 02:46.46 | franco | Abrotman: Ok, gimme around 30 mins to install it :) |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | thought he already had it installed |
| 02:47.08 | shivraj | abrotman: there are two computers |
| 02:47.19 | shivraj | I dont keep that one in my room cause its noisy |
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| 02:49.16 | bunnyto | how to multiply the sound |
| 02:49.34 | bunnyto | my sound card is audigy , the altest, but i want to make really a good nouise |
| 02:49.37 | bunnyto | noise |
| 02:49.49 | bunnyto | and it sounds like my old motherboard... very low |
| 02:50.06 | shivraj | bunnyto: use alsa ... try alsamixer |
| 02:50.20 | shivraj | bunnyto: are you using alsa ? |
| 02:50.29 | bunnyto | yes |
| 02:50.32 | bunnyto | it is all up |
| 02:50.44 | bunnyto | on windows used to be very loud |
| 02:50.51 | bunnyto | but on debian, very low |
| 02:51.23 | messed-up | So. i finaly managed to get debian installed. but im still stuck :p i get gnome now. i prefer kde tho. anyway. now i see my module for my wifi is loaded. `bcm43xx` however. i can not connect to anything with it. |
| 02:51.26 | shivraj | bunnyto: make sure master, pcm, and front is all the way up |
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| 02:51.50 | shivraj | messed-up: you still need teh firmware |
| 02:51.51 | ross` | 1svn |
| 02:51.53 | messed-up | ifconfig errors about Sisco something. |
| 02:51.54 | ross` | !svn |
| 02:51.54 | dpkg | i guess subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 02:52.03 | shivraj | !tell messed-up about b43 |
| 02:52.12 | messed-up | shivraj when i lsmod. i see bc43fwclass loaded |
| 02:52.20 | ross` | can someone tell me how to set up a svn repository on my debian server |
| 02:52.24 | ross` | or tell me where to find out how online |
| 02:52.28 | messed-up | i think it was that name.. |
| 02:52.30 | ross` | that website was unhelpful |
| 02:53.53 | shivraj | messed-up: you still need to get taht firmware |
| 02:54.41 | shivraj | ross`: see the subversion book ... |
| 02:54.44 | messed-up | i dont get that,, in kubuntu 7.04 i had not to get fw. all i did was load bvm43xx module. no fw was installed |
| 02:55.11 | dudeman | hahaha 73 years old |
| 02:55.13 | dudeman | wtf |
| 02:55.32 | shivraj | messed-up: thats because they makde a package that includes the firmware ........ one is not available in linux |
| 02:55.40 | shivraj | err......... debian |
| 02:56.01 | messed-up | shivarj and that site uses another driver. which causes problem.. my nic befoce wlan0 and i get extra wmaster0 |
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| 02:56.34 | messed-up | i mean.. my nic gets thouse with b43legacy |
| 02:56.34 | shivraj | messed-up: well instead of eth1 you use wlan0_rename |
| 02:56.50 | shivraj | what kernel are you using ? messed-up |
| 02:56.58 | messed-up | stock. |
| 02:57.05 | messed-up | 2.6.18 i thin it was |
| 02:57.06 | shivraj | messed-up: uname -r |
| 02:57.16 | shivraj | messed-up: then use b43 legacy instructions |
| 02:57.25 | messed-up | im not in linux now. hehe then i could not complane about my wifi >p |
| 02:58.58 | shivraj | messed-up: get the files like I told you and put them on your digital camera |
| 02:59.20 | messed-up | i\ll do |
| 03:00.49 | shivraj | messed-up: read the readme its something like bcm43xx-cutter -w /lib/firware wlapsta (that will isntall it directly in one step) |
| 03:02.30 | shivraj | messed-up: if you upgrade to 2.6.26-...you will need to install a different firmware ... so you might want to download the new firmware before you reboot :) |
| 03:02.43 | shivraj | messed-up: thats if you upgrade the kernel ...... |
| 03:03.17 | messed-up | well.. i cant upgrade before i get net up in linux. |
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| 03:07.01 | JeffH | Is there a good serial access howto for debian? |
| 03:09.38 | wols | JeffH: you mean a serial console? |
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| 03:16.31 | JeffH | wols: yes |
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| 03:17.40 | JeffH | shit.. I bought the wrong gender changer. I wonder if Wal-Mart would have one. |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | i doubt walmart sells serial anything |
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| 03:21.11 | JeffH | Is there any way to do a usb to usb connection for console? |
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| 03:22.24 | abrotman | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 03:22.26 | abrotman | mentions USB |
| 03:23.11 | messed-up | so much work just to get a wifi up :/ |
| 03:23.36 | abrotman | messed-up: only when you have a firmware device .. mine is supported in the kernel |
| 03:24.01 | JeffH | messed-up: it's worse than that.. I did something to my system that now even the wired network card won't come up. |
| 03:24.08 | messed-up | well. i thought it was in 2.6.18 too |
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| 03:24.29 | wols | JeffH: read the tldp howto about serial console |
| 03:24.32 | zinx | abrotman: they may sell some cell phone->usb things that are actually serial with a proprietary connector on the cellphone end... :P |
| 03:24.44 | abrotman | zinx: let me know how that goes |
| 03:24.57 | abrotman | messed-up: the driver is .. the firmware is not |
| 03:25.16 | JeffH | wols: thanks. |
| 03:25.42 | messed-up | im gonna save thouse pages. to much to remember in my head :p |
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| 03:28.40 | ross` | excuse me i did apt-get install websvn |
| 03:28.43 | messed-up | i dont see the point in adding the bcm43xx module if you cant use it anyway.. if due to lisence. why just dont make it one pack. |
| 03:28.48 | shivraj | messed-up: ?? yeah its a bit confusing at first |
| 03:28.51 | ross` | and ever since whenever i do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 03:28.54 | ross` | i get this error |
| 03:29.47 | messed-up | shivraj.. it is |
| 03:30.14 | ross` | nvm.. problem seems to be fixed |
| 03:30.32 | shivraj | messed-up: all you need to do is get that file , ....... then the software to cut out the firmware ... |
| 03:30.37 | shivraj | from it |
| 03:31.12 | messed-up | hehe. i was hoping my pc was up and running before 12 am.. now its 4:40 am :p |
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| 03:32.21 | shivraj | messed-up: ................... go to bed , |
| 03:33.03 | messed-up | yeah,, when i have my pc working.. im a stuborn bastard, i will not sleep until it works :p |
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| 03:34.02 | martyn-dev | Hello :D |
| 03:34.15 | shivraj | messed-up: whats the difficulty ? download bcm43xx-fwcutter-006.tar.bz2 |
| 03:34.42 | shivraj | extract it, run it on the wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
| 03:34.55 | messed-up | im reading the site. i dont wanna reboot all the time. just in case i forget something |
| 03:35.21 | shivraj | by typing bcm43xxx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
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| 03:40.35 | messed-up | shiva you tell me to use xxx.006 which is for bcm43xx but the examples. 011 is used |
| 03:40.40 | messed-up | oh he left |
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| 03:59.58 | b-04 | hi |
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| 04:00.22 | b-04 | have a sofwtare for linux = macromedia , dreamweaver for windows? |
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| 04:01.35 | n3kl | Hey is there a way for a syslog server to dump logs into seperate files per hosts or something? |
| 04:02.14 | stew | n3kl: i think you want syslog-ng |
| 04:02.14 | n3kl | stew: but its possible? |
| 04:02.42 | stew | n3kl: i believe it is possible with syslog-ng, i don't believe it is possible with the standard sysklogd |
| 04:02.45 | n3kl | I know ng has more features, but is it better? Why isn't it the debian standard if it is? |
| 04:02.51 | n3kl | ah |
| 04:02.52 | n3kl | OK |
| 04:03.11 | stew | the standard might have just changed actually |
| 04:03.20 | n3kl | whys that? |
| 04:03.21 | edison04 | Help i did in the pas some program in C for dos... I want to program C in Linux what compiler i need to built my program ? witch apt-get ? |
| 04:03.40 | dalias | gcc |
| 04:04.14 | edison04 | dalias, ok what is cpp ? does it's an link to gcc ? |
| 04:04.46 | edison04 | and what is cc ? |
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| 04:05.51 | dalias | cpp is the preprocessor |
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| 04:06.18 | dalias | you probably have no reason ever to invoke it directly except for odd special-purpose stuff (mostly unrelated to compiling programs) |
| 04:06.29 | dalias | cc is the 'generic' name for whatever the system's c compiler is |
| 04:06.45 | dalias | on a normal debian system, cc will just be a symbolic link to gcc |
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| 04:07.53 | edison04 | dalias, ok |
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| 04:12.56 | b-04 | alternative to fireworks mx? |
| 04:13.14 | Tapout | !apt-spy |
| 04:13.15 | dpkg | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 04:15.34 | LogicalThought | hey |
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| 04:19.08 | vmlinz | Anybody knows how to configure linux as a gateway for LAN users with only one ethernet card plz give me some hints:D |
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| 04:25.17 | LimCore | when I do man foo then I can not move with arrows, only space key. wtf. |
| 04:25.33 | n3kl | LimCore: perhaps you don'e have less installed |
| 04:25.40 | n3kl | I think default is more |
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| 04:26.06 | LimCore | thx n3kl |
| 04:26.45 | euzao | !stable old |
| 04:26.48 | Jadrael | Buenas Noches... Una pregunta como puedo hacer para configurar los videos que veo por internet sean cargados por una aplicacion especifica como mplayer por ejemplo en vez de swfdec?? |
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| 04:26.56 | ma3x | is this crontab? su nobody -s /bin/sh -c /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race \( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype nfs4 -o -fstype afs -o -fstype binfmt_misc -o -fstype proc -o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o -fstype coda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o -fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs -o -fstype shfs -o -fstype sysfs -o -fstype cifs -o -fstype lustre_lite -o -fstype tmpfs -o -fstype usbfs -o -fstype udf -o |
| 04:27.00 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.05 | ma3x | and what is it exactly? |
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| 04:28.34 | n3kl | wtf? |
| 04:29.11 | firespeaker | anyone know why defoma would be trying to make a certain font the default for some symbols that other characters have (i.e., all my numbers are being rendered in the same incorrect font)? |
| 04:29.18 | ma3x | i saw that process running |
| 04:29.20 | ma3x | i dunno what it is |
| 04:29.39 | ma3x | is crontab running it? |
| 04:29.58 | n3kl | is it in any crontab entries? |
| 04:30.35 | wols | ma3x: your locate database update |
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| 04:30.58 | n3kl | nice one |
| 04:31.46 | ma3x | wols: is crontab running it automatically? |
| 04:32.00 | wols | ma3x: learn what cron is |
| 04:32.37 | dalias | firespeaker, are you sure your question is right? |
| 04:32.44 | firespeaker | dalias: not 100% no |
| 04:32.56 | firespeaker | dalias: why, what do you have in mind? |
| 04:33.11 | dalias | font fallback/substitution probably has nothing to do with defoma |
| 04:33.18 | dalias | but rather fontconfig |
| 04:33.26 | firespeaker | ah |
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| 04:33.45 | dalias | and what you describe happening is really weird |
| 04:33.46 | firespeaker | where do I start in terms of investigating what's set to do what? |
| 04:33.50 | dalias | i've never heard of it before.. |
| 04:34.05 | dalias | look in /etc/fonts and ~/.fonts.conf |
| 04:34.08 | firespeaker | yeah, it happened when I brought a number of packages up to date |
| 04:34.28 | dalias | can you give a more clear example of where this is happening? |
| 04:34.31 | dalias | what app? what fonts? |
| 04:34.36 | firespeaker | all gtk apps |
| 04:34.40 | firespeaker | and in strange contexts |
| 04:34.55 | dalias | so does it happen with the font in menus, dialogs, etc? |
| 04:35.28 | firespeaker | for instance, on my gnome-panel, my battery charge is "100%" all in Charis SIL (the culprit font), the temperature is "12°C" with "12" in Charis SIL, and the CPU temp monitor says "57°C" in the normal sans-serif font I had set |
| 04:35.34 | firespeaker | the date and time is also all correct |
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| 04:36.15 | firespeaker | in textboxes in my gecko-based browser, strings with numbers in them will change back and forth between fixed-width and Charis while I'm typing |
| 04:36.44 | \amethyst | firespeaker: what version of pango-graphite ? |
| 04:37.12 | firespeaker | 0.9.2-3.1 |
| 04:37.17 | dalias | it seems wrong that charis would get used at all |
| 04:37.19 | firespeaker | ah, the 3 in that string is Charis SIL |
| 04:37.23 | dalias | unless something's configured to use it |
| 04:37.30 | firespeaker | yeah. and I did my best to purge it from my system too |
| 04:37.31 | dalias | it's not in the default fallback list afaik.. |
| 04:37.35 | firespeaker | but it's still being used |
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| 04:37.59 | \amethyst | firespeaker: you tried removing pango-graphite? |
| 04:38.38 | firespeaker | no, but that's a good idea. I feel like that was among the things that got installed or reconfigured at the time this started |
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| 04:38.48 | \amethyst | firespeaker: it has at least one RC bug (crashing FF, #471642) and has been known to cause font problems in Gnumeric |
| 04:38.50 | KodeBlok | need some help... trying to install vmware (after giving up on virtualbox) and i run the install script and I get "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.6.el5.028stab053.6: No such file or directory " that 2.8.18...is my kernel version (uname -r) so do i need to update that or what? :S |
| 04:39.04 | KodeBlok | 2.6.18* |
| 04:39.09 | firespeaker | \amethyst: oh. hm. what's it all about? |
| 04:39.16 | firespeaker | \amethyst: I mean, what's the package for? |
| 04:39.39 | firespeaker | it's fixed! |
| 04:39.40 | \amethyst | firespeaker: for "smart fonts" |
| 04:39.57 | KodeBlok | anyone? D: *whimpers* |
| 04:39.57 | \amethyst | firespeaker: charos is one of them, but it can be used without graphites |
| 04:40.03 | \amethyst | s/ites/ite/ |
| 04:40.17 | firespeaker | smart fonts? like what, bi-directional stuff? |
| 04:40.24 | wols | !tell KodeBlok about vmware |
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| 04:40.27 | dalias | btw \amethyst since you seem to know font stuff... i have a really weird issue where editing text elements in inkscape sometimes causes the app to hang and use 100% cpu... and same thing almost always happens in gimp if i edit numeric textboxes in the tool settings rather than using the up/down buttons next to the box |
| 04:40.36 | \amethyst | firespeaker: that, and advanced ligatures |
| 04:40.37 | dalias | have you ever heard of anything like that? |
| 04:41.00 | KodeBlok | wols: i had the same problem with virtualbox... its a debian problem, not a vmware problem.. i think i need to update my kernel or something....damn if i know - ergo why i came here :S |
| 04:41.02 | firespeaker | \amethyst: isn't the normal font renderer supposed to do stuff like that? |
| 04:41.19 | wols | KodeBlok: it's not a debian problem since you don't run a debian kernel |
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| 04:41.39 | dalias | firespeaker, opentype already has a sufficient but crappy system for that. sil decided to roll their own (graphite) to get past the limitations of opentype |
| 04:41.42 | KodeBlok | wols: well how did that happen? *gets confused* |
| 04:41.44 | dalias | (stupid microsoft design) |
| 04:41.45 | KodeBlok | :S |
| 04:42.02 | firespeaker | dalias: ah |
| 04:42.05 | dalias | however, very few systems support graphite and it'll probably remain that way for some time :( |
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| 04:42.22 | wols | KodeBlok: current debian kernel is 2.6.18-6 for etch among others. not that gibberish yours has |
| 04:42.26 | firespeaker | hm |
| 04:42.47 | \amethyst | dalias: do *you* have pango-graphite installed? if not, I have no clues about font crashes |
| 04:43.07 | dalias | nope. i used to, but then inkscape crashed whenever i pulled down the fonts dropdown-box... |
| 04:43.16 | dalias | i isolated the crash to graphite and quickly purged it :) |
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| 04:44.02 | KodeBlok | wols: ...eek - how do i get the debian one back :S i have no clue how that happened... (yeah i probably sound like a noob, just bear with me) |
| 04:44.42 | firespeaker | dalias: hah. maybe that package should come with a warning or something? Though I guess it's all "use at own risk" anyway |
| 04:44.55 | wols | KodeBlok: you install it like any other package |
| 04:45.05 | dalias | all of debian is "use at your own risk" |
| 04:45.13 | firespeaker | dalias: that's what I meant :-P |
| 04:45.18 | dalias | didn't you see the ALL CAPS motd with NO WARRANTY etc.? :) |
| 04:45.21 | KodeBlok | wols: what package, kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 04:45.44 | firespeaker | dalias: I didn't, I learned to ignore those long ago :-P |
| 04:45.47 | wols | !tell KodeBlok about grounding |
| 04:45.48 | dalias | :) |
| 04:46.12 | firespeaker | dalias: and I'm quite aware. If I cared about software warranties, I wouldn't be using debian |
| 04:46.14 | KodeBlok | >< |
| 04:46.18 | dalias | well |
| 04:46.26 | dalias | MS software is just as bad |
| 04:46.40 | dalias | it has no warranty either, but you paid for it and still got nothing |
| 04:46.41 | firespeaker | good point |
| 04:46.45 | firespeaker | yep |
| 04:46.51 | dalias | or warezed it :) |
| 04:46.56 | firespeaker | rofl |
| 04:47.05 | KodeBlok | wols: ...what am i supposed to read to find out what package i need to install to get my debian kernel back that I didn't even know i lost? *sighs* |
| 04:47.33 | vmlinz | How to get detailed package status of install debs,ie purge,deinstall and unconfigured?Guys. |
| 04:49.08 | vmlinz | "dpkg --getselections" gives me only install and deinstall status,but I want to know more details |
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| 04:51.36 | BetaTest | Can anyone tell me the advantage of using Debian over Ubuntu please? |
| 04:51.54 | stew | BetaTest: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 04:52.42 | BetaTest | Hmm thank you |
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| 04:54.32 | KodeBlok | wols: linux-source-2.6.18 is already the newest version. is that the right package? |
| 04:54.37 | KodeBlok | :S |
| 04:54.42 | KodeBlok | is confused |
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| 04:58.01 | wols | KodeBlok: no. and: we do NOT support vmware. the end |
| 04:58.26 | KodeBlok | wols: i'm not asking about vmware, i'm asking what I need to do to get my debian kernel back... |
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| 05:03.19 | wols | vmlinz: dpkg -l |
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| 05:06.38 | vmlinz | wols, Thx. |
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| 05:10.20 | Mordocai | Anyone know of a good web site to read on debian-based vs redhat-based? Preferably un-biased. |
| 05:11.44 | stew | Mordocai: ask ##linux |
| 05:12.20 | stew | Mordocai: this is not the place to solicit such stuff in the first place, but if it was, you would not be able to get unbiased information anyway |
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| 05:12.57 | Mordocai | stew: Yeah, ##linux sent me here... i'll just google some more. |
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| 05:14.57 | d-b_ | Mordocai: i think that is the answer ;) |
| 05:15.45 | dalias | i think the answer is that your quest is hopeless |
| 05:15.54 | dalias | because someone would have to be biased to be pro-redhat :) |
| 05:16.12 | d-b_ | dalias: yeah i as saying he was sent to the correct room to start with |
| 05:16.13 | d-b_ | !red hat |
| 05:16.13 | dpkg | it has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 05:16.17 | basix | do i use this ISO to install debian unstable? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 05:16.24 | d-b_ | .... a bit old dpkg |
| 05:16.42 | d-b_ | dpkg: red hat is it has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 05:16.42 | dpkg | ...but red hat is already something else... |
| 05:16.46 | d-b_ | dpkg: red hat is it has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install etch |
| 05:16.46 | dpkg | ...but red hat is already something else... |
| 05:17.01 | dalias | or rather, an unbiased source is going to look biased because it will have little good to say about redhat |
| 05:17.19 | d-b_ | dpkg: red hat is now it has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install etch |
| 05:17.19 | dpkg | ...but red hat is already something else... |
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| 05:17.41 | d-b_ | i give up. perhaps another can update dpkg. |
| 05:17.54 | dalias | d-b_, you need a no or something |
| 05:18.45 | d-b_ | dpkg: no red hat it has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install etch |
| 05:18.45 | dpkg | d-b_: that's too long |
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| 05:19.04 | d-b_ | dpkg: no red hat has been said that red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install etch |
| 05:19.04 | dpkg | that's too long, d-b_ |
| 05:19.10 | d-b_ | gives up. |
| 05:19.44 | n3kl | stew: syslog-ng rocks the shit man. Thanks! |
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| 05:21.14 | wols | dpkg: forget red |
| 05:21.14 | dpkg | i forgot red, wols |
| 05:24.12 | basix | do i use this ISO to install debian unstable? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 05:24.31 | Guerin | !d-i basix |
| 05:24.31 | dpkg | basix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 05:24.59 | basix | Guerin, sid! |
| 05:25.06 | basix | Guerin, no..unstable! :| |
| 05:25.12 | Guerin | basix: you can't install sid. |
| 05:25.21 | wols | basix: sid is unstable |
| 05:25.22 | basix | Guerin, why not? |
| 05:25.35 | basix | wols, yeah i want to install unstable |
| 05:25.48 | Guerin | basix: because they don't make installers for it |
| 05:25.52 | stew | n3kl: cool. i've never actually looked myself, for no good reason |
| 05:25.54 | Guerin | or, more properly, they do, but they don't work |
| 05:26.18 | basix | Guerin, gah...so its testing for me then :( |
| 05:26.51 | Guerin | no, stable |
| 05:26.52 | dalias | just install testing then upgrade |
| 05:26.57 | dalias | its pretty easy |
| 05:27.12 | Guerin | if you have some specific, concrete reason to not run stable, you can upgrade to testing |
| 05:27.29 | Guerin | but not to unstable, at least, not unless you can figure it out for yourself and are happy to keep all the pieces |
| 05:27.43 | rebel_kid | just wanted to appologize for the flapping :) thanks for removing the ban :D |
| 05:27.49 | oklinux | I installed libflash-mozplugin is that the right package for playing youtube videl ? |
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| 05:28.18 | Guerin | suck it and see |
| 05:28.19 | ameyer | can't believe people would actually run stable on the desktop except in very limited circumstances |
| 05:28.31 | wols | !tell oklinux about flash |
| 05:28.34 | dalias | stable is pretty much unusably outdated except shortly after its release... |
| 05:28.38 | wols | oklinux: it's not |
| 05:28.41 | d-b_ | amphi i know. |
| 05:28.45 | Guerin | ameyer: i can't believe people watch baseball ... but they do |
| 05:28.56 | ameyer | glares at his old laptop that he suspects probably won't work as a desktop with lenny |
| 05:28.57 | d-b_ | dalias: no that is not true. you can backport etc. |
| 05:29.23 | dalias | well yeah but considering that most packages from sid need libs from sid... |
| 05:29.27 | ameyer | actually, usually stable's already somewhat outdated by the time it's released... |
| 05:29.28 | dalias | you might as well just run sid |
| 05:29.40 | ameyer | dalias: or at least lenny |
| 05:29.57 | ameyer | erm, where "lenny" == "testing" |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | dalias: testing is usually a happy medium between not horribly outdates and not horribly broken |
| 05:30.35 | wols | Guerin: ubuntu for debian? |
| 05:30.37 | dalias | i've always found myself in the situation where i need things that ppl are being lazy about getting into stable or even testing.. |
| 05:30.40 | wols | testing I mean |
| 05:30.45 | Guerin | wols: ? |
| 05:30.45 | dalias | and never had problems with sid |
| 05:30.46 | n3kl | stew: so you seperate files using a destination handle like this: destination hosts { file("/var/log/HOSTS/$HOST/$FACILITY"... Pretty nice for a syslog server. |
| 05:30.47 | dalias | so i just use sis |
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| 05:30.59 | wols | Guerin: not too broken, not too outdated. reminds me of ubuntu |
| 05:31.14 | Guerin | wols: depends on your value of broken' |
| 05:31.29 | dalias | :) |
| 05:32.03 | basix | Guerin, stable sucks big time. it has packages which are like too old. i need something thats current. i'm not running a mission critical server here. just a desktop. and no i dont like ubuntu. |
| 05:32.11 | ameyer | testing's more bleeding edge than ubuntu usually |
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| 05:32.24 | Guerin | basix: like, oh my gahwd, it was just totally ... |
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| 05:32.38 | ameyer | by the end of a release cycle, ubuntu's packages would more or less be sid from 8 months or so ago |
| 05:32.39 | Guerin | basix: you are testing's target audience |
| 05:32.43 | buu | basix: This sounds like a personal problem. |
| 05:32.52 | basix | ameyer, not really... ubuntu is more of a unstable + testing |
| 05:33.00 | dalias | <3 sid |
| 05:33.14 | basix | buu, hmmm? |
| 05:33.43 | basix | Guerin, yes i am. infact i am unstable's audience. i will have to upgrade from testing. it just seems such a waste... :| |
| 05:34.01 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 05:34.05 | ameyer | basix: still, by the time $current_version+1 is released, $current_version hasn't gotten anything new and shiny in about 8 months or so |
| 05:34.18 | Guerin | if you have to ask how to install something which can't be installed, you're not really unstable's audience |
| 05:34.30 | ameyer | but that's a heck of a lot better than debian stable |
| 05:34.39 | Guerin | in the same sense that a person who doesn't know how to buckle a rally harness isn't supposed to drive a rally car |
| 05:34.42 | basix | Guerin, i am... its called the learning process. Thank you :) |
| 05:34.55 | ameyer | it's been about 2 years since etch froze? |
| 05:34.56 | Guerin | basix: walk, then strap rockets to yourself. |
| 05:35.25 | basix | etch is oooooooold... |
| 05:36.29 | ameyer | in some ways, lenny will be even older 18 months after its release than etch is now... |
| 05:36.53 | ameyer | kde will be on 4.4.* or 4.5.*, lenny will be on 3.5.* |
| 05:38.18 | d-b_ | p/join #pidgin |
| 05:38.18 | d-b_ | oops sorry |
| 05:38.18 | ameyer | probably 4.4 I hope |
| 05:38.18 | ameyer | shuts up and goes to bed |
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| 05:38.46 | adb | time to make a special "desktop" releases, "server" release and so on |
| 05:39.12 | ameyer | adb: that's what Ubuntu's for |
| 05:39.18 | ameyer | ducks |
| 05:39.27 | craigevil | adb: why if you what newer than stable you just run testing or sid |
| 05:39.33 | Guerin | fail |
| 05:39.35 | adb | shorter and still Debian |
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| 05:40.06 | adb | craigevil: is exactly what i do |
| 05:44.46 | adb | 1 to 2 cdrom packages for bright shine debian "desktop" releases may be enough |
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| 05:50.06 | amitz | I have a usb flash that claimed to be 240GB. I want to check it's true size by low level formatting it. what's the debian lenny package name for low level formatting a usb flash? will scsitool or sformat work for usb flash? Thanks in advance |
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| 05:52.44 | Gr33n3gg | Just wondering, what would be the easiest (and/or best) way of securing a Debian box? |
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| 05:54.17 | zachera | What's the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 05:54.42 | Gr33n3gg | Ubuntu is based off of Debian...IMO Ubuntu is more 'commercialized'... |
| 05:54.56 | Gr33n3gg | Wikipedia it, if you must. |
| 05:55.00 | adb | Ubuntu is a private company |
| 05:55.02 | d-b_ | !ubuntu |
| 05:55.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 05:55.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Too lazy to install Debian" |
| 05:55.34 | Gr33n3gg | Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware was too hard for me" |
| 05:55.48 | amitz | Greenegg: you need to spell out the requirement. the easiest is probably to turn off all kind of networking. |
| 05:56.02 | zachera | So, what's the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
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| 05:56.39 | Gr33n3gg | amitz: I realised that, since it is a web server (of some sort) I'd like to protect it from some attacks, and such. Other than a firewall, is there anything to configure with the web server part (Apache, PHP, etc..) |
| 05:56.50 | firespeaker | dalias, \amethyst: thanks for your help |
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| 05:56.59 | firespeaker | I'm outta here |
| 05:57.08 | Guerin | Gr33n3gg: security is not something you switch on |
| 05:57.19 | Gr33n3gg | Guerin: I realised that too. |
| 05:57.55 | Guerin | Gr33n3gg: generally speaking the best approach is to be aware of the risks posed by the various services you run, and keep on top of security advisories and so on |
| 05:58.43 | Guerin | you can also install the harden-doc package for general comments on how to toughen your system up |
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| 05:59.04 | Gr33n3gg | Guerin: Hmm thanks for the info. Also while I'm here, is there a way to only allow specified IP's for SSH? |
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| 05:59.22 | zachera | WTF. |
| 05:59.30 | zachera | Why are there 21 torrent files to download for Debian? |
| 05:59.44 | Gr33n3gg | Different arch's? |
| 05:59.46 | Wyzard | zachera: because there are 21 CDs |
| 05:59.47 | LimCore | locale âa prints nothing... is that ok? |
| 05:59.48 | zachera | I just wanted one, wtf. |
| 05:59.53 | zachera | Isn't there one torrent for the DVD? |
| 06:00.05 | Wyzard | There are three DVDs, actually |
| 06:00.10 | zachera | What the hell. |
| 06:00.23 | zachera | Isn't there a smaller version of Debian? |
| 06:00.27 | zachera | A server-based? |
| 06:00.29 | Wyzard | Debian is big |
| 06:00.32 | zachera | Why? |
| 06:00.33 | Wyzard | but you don't need to download full CD/DVD images |
| 06:00.34 | LimCore | svn compaing about local being "C" |
| 06:00.42 | LimCore | how to set all locale to be en_US.UTF-8 ? |
| 06:00.43 | Wyzard | Use netinst |
| 06:00.46 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 06:00.47 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 06:00.52 | Guerin | zachera: ^^^ |
| 06:01.04 | zachera | loll |
| 06:01.09 | Guerin | zachera: (that was more than half a decade ago) |
| 06:01.16 | zachera | But seriously, what the fuck. |
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| 06:01.29 | binarymutant | anyone compile awesome 3 yet? I'm getting a LUA_INCLUDE_DIR (ADVANCED) error but I have all the dependencies installed |
| 06:01.43 | Guerin | zachera: if you want, you can download just dvd1 or cds 1-3 |
| 06:02.01 | adb | !netinstall |
| 06:02.02 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 06:02.08 | Wyzard | zachera: You only need to download the full CDs or DVDs if you want to have the entire distribution available without need for a network connection |
| 06:02.23 | adb | zachera: ^^^ |
| 06:02.28 | Wyzard | zachera: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you can use netinst, which will download only the packages that actually get installed |
| 06:02.40 | Wyzard | zachera: and not the huge set of packages that you might possibly potentially want to install |
| 06:02.54 | Guerin | but probably will never even care about |
| 06:03.19 | zachera | My god. |
| 06:03.29 | zachera | I was considering to use Debian for a server software, but it's so fucking huge. |
| 06:03.36 | zachera | I think I'll pass. |
| 06:03.37 | Guerin | so? |
| 06:03.43 | Guerin | install only what you need |
| 06:03.45 | CompWizrd | zachera: why would you try to install _everything_? |
| 06:03.56 | zachera | Where's the DVD install?? |
| 06:03.56 | CompWizrd | do you walk into Best buy with a cart and dump entire shelves of software into it? |
| 06:04.01 | zachera | ... |
| 06:04.06 | zachera | Forget it. |
| 06:04.07 | Gr33n3gg | zachera: I use Debian for a server on a Pentium III -_-" |
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| 06:04.09 | Wyzard | zachera: Those three DVDs contain every package *available* for installation in Debian |
| 06:04.10 | LimCore | zachera: there are rumors you actually can install just some software, not all 5 DVD with 20.000 packates..... lol. |
| 06:04.12 | Guerin | !customer |
| 06:04.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:04.15 | CompWizrd | i think he was trolling |
| 06:04.18 | LimCore | what a noob |
| 06:04.55 | LimCore | wondres HOW huge is it... bigger then his momma? nah |
| 06:05.43 | adb | CompWizrd: a weekend troller ? |
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| 06:11.27 | Fossilet | What do you require for a piece of free software to be included in Debian? |
| 06:11.36 | craigevil | its not how big it is but how you use it :p |
| 06:12.13 | Fossilet | Must be of high quality? |
| 06:12.14 | craigevil | Fossilet: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 06:13.53 | oklinux | I have this message can some one help me ? E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 06:13.55 | oklinux | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 06:13.55 | oklinux | comptoyou:/home/oklinux# |
| 06:14.02 | Fossilet | Ok then. |
| 06:14.03 | Gr33n3gg | use sudo? |
| 06:14.17 | Gr33n3gg | no wait sorry |
| 06:14.25 | Gr33n3gg | is Synaptic running? |
| 06:14.28 | oklinux | no |
| 06:14.48 | Fossilet | Then if I am wondering if my little game could be packaged? |
| 06:16.28 | adb | oklinux: rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 06:16.40 | buu | Fossilet: I suspect this is where you go read documentation on how to package, create package, submit it to a list of debian cabals |
| 06:17.40 | Fossilet | cabals.. |
| 06:18.19 | Fossilet | But do I have to package to deb by myself? |
| 06:18.28 | Fossilet | ... |
| 06:18.52 | Supaplex | how is 0 too many? configuring a pg database for gallery2: Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Cannot create new link. Too many open links (0) in /usr/share/gallery2/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-postgres64.inc.php on line 653 |
| 06:19.00 | oklinux | adb can I pm you ? |
| 06:19.28 | adb | no |
| 06:19.33 | oklinux | ok |
| 06:19.44 | Supaplex | adb: you can msg dpkg tho |
| 06:19.45 | oklinux | can I paste another error |
| 06:19.55 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 06:19.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:20.41 | oklinux | http://paste.debian.net/19473/ |
| 06:21.26 | Supaplex | oklinux: grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:21.34 | Supaplex | !tell oklinux -about non-free |
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| 06:27.53 | Tapout | anyone know of a more complete ... /usr/share/dict/american-english dictionary? |
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| 06:31.24 | Supaplex | !hold |
| 06:31.26 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 06:32.28 | adb | Supaplex: you can msg dpkg tho |
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| 06:33.15 | Supaplex | one lonely question bothers you that much? no one chatted for the last 5+ minutes. |
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| 06:34.52 | adb | i even asked any question and that bothered you ...:) |
| 06:36.22 | Supaplex | adb: I meant to direct that to oklinux as a joke. I think I'm too tired to keep working on this gallery2 thingableh |
| 06:36.55 | adb | ok, nv i was joking |
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| 06:38.08 | Supaplex | no worries. |
| 06:38.37 | oklinux | what joke Supaplex |
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| 06:42.05 | Supaplex | oklinux: ask dpkg what I meant |
| 06:42.21 | adb | oklinux: installing package is a great Joke, wons tested it you 'r lost for ever () |
| 06:43.04 | adb | *ones |
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| 06:48.04 | Supaplex | dpkg: goodnight |
| 06:48.04 | dpkg | gnight, or something said when a person is leaving for the night |
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| 06:57.37 | oklinux | some one throw me a java link |
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| 06:58.31 | liable | !tell oklinux -about install java |
| 06:58.39 | harsha | Hi folks! |
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| 06:59.08 | harsha | Has anyone built OFED 1.3.1 on a debian distro? |
| 07:01.57 | jdrake | My flash drive debian is constantly booting, saying the superblock time is in the future (which it is because one machine is utc and the other is local), but even when it says it fixes it, it isn't apparently written because it keeps rebooting afterwards. Is there any way of getting it to nod and ignore the error (i.e. not force a reboot) or some possible other fix? |
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| 07:05.43 | NinjaMan | hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry |
| 07:06.06 | NinjaMan | does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up? |
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| 07:10.32 | adu | <3 Debian |
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| 07:10.45 | DevilChaos | hey guys |
| 07:10.54 | adu | hi |
| 07:11.02 | adu | i just realized how tired i am |
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| 07:11.13 | DevilChaos | im still having problems updating my system |
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| 07:11.35 | adu | DevilChaos: just do apt-get debian4 or something |
| 07:11.47 | DevilChaos | i have found out what i think is the problem i googled it gzip:not enough space on drive |
| 07:12.10 | DevilChaos | whitch i have a boot partition at 95% |
| 07:12.18 | adu | DevilChaos: are you familiar with unix? |
| 07:12.30 | DevilChaos | yeah to a degree |
| 07:12.39 | adu | try (df -h) |
| 07:13.58 | adu | DevilChaos: what is the output of df? |
| 07:14.04 | DevilChaos | done that and i get this http://pastebin.com/d2b268468 |
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| 07:15.18 | adu | df -h is so much more readable... |
| 07:15.40 | blubberdiblub | DevilChaos: purge some old linux-image-* or kernel-image-* packages which you have no use for anymore |
| 07:15.44 | DevilChaos | ok hold on |
| 07:16.02 | adu | but if the boot partition is not where you are extracting files, then it doesn't make a difference |
| 07:16.20 | adu | it only matters how big the partition is where you extract to |
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| 07:16.47 | cahoot | we hope he's not extracting anything to /boot |
| 07:16.48 | adu | blubberdiblub: isn't that a bad idea? |
| 07:16.49 | roxy_ | I am looking for a offsite backup solution, idealy, just a place where I can rsync my data (about 1tera). Could anyone give me a site that does just that ? |
| 07:16.53 | DevilChaos | i get the same output for df -h |
| 07:16.54 | blubberdiblub | adu, packages containing kernels do extract their files into /boot/ |
| 07:17.11 | adu | DevilChaos: where are you extracting files with gzip? |
| 07:17.18 | blubberdiblub | adu, well, i said old kernels which he has no use for anymore |
| 07:17.36 | roxy_ | the only site I found where complete backup solution including software |
| 07:17.39 | DevilChaos | dummy answer am afraid i dont know |
| 07:17.41 | adu | blubberdiblub: oh, like 2.1 |
| 07:17.45 | jdrake | I need a gui editor, but gedit takes up an additional 180mb which I do not want. Can anyone suggest something 'light'? Please do not suggest emacs or vi. |
| 07:17.55 | adu | DevilChaos: what do you get for (pwd)? |
| 07:18.01 | blubberdiblub | adu, more like 2.6.8 etc. |
| 07:18.20 | adu | blubberdiblub: that's still usable, isn't it? |
| 07:18.26 | DevilChaos | home/devil |
| 07:18.50 | adu | DevilChaos: then you should be fine, what was the command you ran when it gave that error? |
| 07:18.51 | blubberdiblub | adu, are you misreading me on purpose? if he uses the current .18 for etch, he has no use for a .8 kernel anymore |
| 07:19.10 | DevilChaos | dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:19.11 | dpkg | DevilChaos: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:19.29 | adu | blubberdiblub: sure he does, if the current kernel gets corrupted or bit-rotted, its always nice to have a backup one handy |
| 07:19.53 | blubberdiblub | adu, backup of the current one, not of an ancient one |
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| 07:20.52 | Jadrael | http://www.cinetube.es/documentales/zeitgeist.html |
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| 07:20.55 | DevilChaos | ok so how do i get rid of the kernel images that i dont need without running apt |
| 07:21.15 | DevilChaos | to free the space |
| 07:21.21 | DevilChaos | brb 2 mins |
| 07:22.22 | blubberdiblub | DevilChaos, "dpkg --remove <package-name>", but make sure it's really one you don't need anymore (it should warn you if you're trying to remove the kernel currently in use, tho) |
| 07:22.28 | adu_ | DevilChaos: so how many packages do you have installed that need configuring?? |
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| 07:25.27 | DevilChaos | its initramfs thats the problem becaue the partition is nearly full thats what scrolls on the screen in the terminal when i do the update |
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| 07:25.52 | DevilChaos | think everything else should be ok |
| 07:26.06 | blubberdiblub | well, then free something on /boot/, as i suggested. or enlarge your /boot partition |
| 07:26.30 | DevilChaos | need to watch for this in the future tthat i dont let it get to this stage again or repartition a bigger boot |
| 07:27.04 | adu_ | DevilChaos: I usually just use one big partition |
| 07:27.40 | adu_ | unless you're a security freak or have a working ZFS implementation, I think small partitions is a bad idea |
| 07:27.57 | blubberdiblub | DevilChaos, kernels are usually a few megabytes big, and initrds usually several megabytes. you should account for space for some kernels there and some more |
| 07:28.38 | DevilChaos | ok heres what i think im going to do correct me if im wrong |
| 07:28.49 | DevilChaos | i have just cd to dir /boot |
| 07:29.09 | DevilChaos | and just rm the images ik dont need? |
| 07:29.28 | adu_ | and rm -f everything bwahaha |
| 07:29.37 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 07:29.39 | cahoot | why not boot to the working installation and use aptitude? |
| 07:29.40 | DevilChaos | no |
| 07:29.56 | DevilChaos | i like dselect |
| 07:30.08 | DevilChaos | cahoot |
| 07:30.17 | DevilChaos | sorry that no wasnt meant for you |
| 07:30.35 | cahoot | s/aptitude/any pakcage manager/ |
| 07:30.50 | LogicalThought | hey |
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| 07:30.59 | LogicalThought | i am trying to access my desktop in terminal |
| 07:31.03 | LogicalThought | cd /home/falko/Desktop is this correct |
| 07:31.17 | Orbixx | As long as the username is correct, yes. |
| 07:31.23 | adu_ | LogicalThought: yup |
| 07:31.45 | adu_ | LogicalThought: cd ~/Desktop also work |
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| 07:32.15 | adu_ | LogicalThought: or $HOME/Desktop |
| 07:32.21 | LogicalThought | tried that it says no such directory |
| 07:32.54 | LogicalThought | i tried all those ways and it wont let me |
| 07:33.10 | adu_ | LogicalThought: do you have X11 installed? |
| 07:33.29 | LogicalThought | not sure how do i check |
| 07:33.43 | adu_ | LogicalThought: do you see pixels or characters? |
| 07:34.14 | LogicalThought | characters |
| 07:34.22 | adu_ | then you don't have X11 |
| 07:34.26 | DevilChaos | cool cool /dev/hda5 30M 15M 14M 53% /boot |
| 07:35.02 | adu_ | LogicalThought: and if you don't have X11 installed, then it might have not setup your ~/Desktop directory yet... |
| 07:35.22 | LogicalThought | yea that's probably it |
| 07:36.19 | DevilChaos | superb its updating thanks for the help much appreciated |
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| 07:36.56 | LogicalThought | sudo apt-get install xorg |
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| 07:37.37 | DevilChaos | one last thing though what is the command for bitchx to leave room back to server screen to join another ive not managed to figure it out yet? :) |
| 07:37.42 | adu_ | LogicalThought: ya that should do it, and if its too gray for you then try (apt-get install gnome) |
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| 07:38.10 | adu_ | DevilChaos: /leave |
| 07:38.19 | DevilChaos | cool thanks |
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| 07:41.12 | karsten | was going to suggest 'aptitude install irssi' .... |
| 07:41.53 | adu_ | what's aptitude? |
| 07:42.03 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 07:42.04 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> ... |
| 07:42.19 | karsten | adu_: Package manager. Superscedes apt-get |
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| 07:43.59 | adu_ | ! why aptitude |
| 07:43.59 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 07:44.08 | karsten | adu_: /msg the bots please |
| 07:44.26 | oklinux | I installed java but I the browser said does not run java |
| 07:44.31 | oklinux | sun-java5-jdk is already the newest version. |
| 07:44.31 | oklinux | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:44.39 | mlLK | what the bots name? |
| 07:44.49 | mlLK | oh nm |
| 07:44.50 | mlLK | dpkg |
| 07:44.52 | karsten | adu_: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/3181.html |
| 07:45.20 | mlLK | does she read regular expressions? |
| 07:45.24 | karsten | mlLK: Also apt and a few others but they'r enot particularly useful. |
| 07:45.26 | Wyzard | One comment on that aptitude factoid: apt-get can install and remove packages simultaneously too; that's not unique to aptitude |
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| 07:46.10 | Wyzard | oklinux: you need sun-java5-plugin |
| 07:46.22 | karsten | that link above is Joey Hess's 2004 debian-user post on why you should be using aptitude rather than apt-get. One of the best feature-summiaries still. |
| 07:46.25 | oklinux | how do I install it |
| 07:46.36 | karsten | oklinux: aptitude install <packagename> |
| 07:46.40 | nubbun | Anyone know why it would be that when I tell IceWeasel to load http://localhost/ , which is not running a server, I get the web search page of my ISP? |
| 07:46.51 | karsten | oklinux: So: 'aptitude install sun-java5-plugin' |
| 07:46.54 | nubbun | I have iceweasel set for 'direct' inet connection. |
| 07:47.08 | mlLK | any software engineers alive? |
| 07:47.15 | karsten | nubbun: Who's your nameserver? |
| 07:47.19 | Wyzard | nubbun: If you run "ping localhost" from a terminal window, what IP address does it ping? |
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| 07:47.36 | nubbun | when I do dig localhost, I get 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:47.39 | karsten | nubbun: Perhaps your ISP has mapped the name "localhost" to their webspace. 'host localhost' |
| 07:48.02 | karsten | nubbun: Do you have an /etc/hosts file? Anything in it? |
| 07:48.10 | mlLK | i'm curious as to once you get all your applications requirements is easier to start by modeling data ? |
| 07:48.21 | mlLK | like in mysql, xml, etc |
| 07:48.26 | karsten | mlLK: Sorry? |
| 07:48.36 | mlLK | i'm trying to write a web app |
| 07:48.47 | oklinux | thanks karsten |
| 07:48.57 | karsten | hands mlLK a coffee maker, a software reference, and a debugger. |
| 07:49.02 | mlLK | and struggling with some sort of sandbox |
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| 07:49.25 | karsten | hands mlLK a litter box and bag of clumping clay. |
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| 07:50.01 | mlLK | pokes clay |
| 07:50.09 | mlLK | clay is sql |
| 07:50.16 | mlLK | clay is my model |
| 07:50.22 | nubbun | ahaha . $ host localhost |
| 07:50.23 | nubbun | localhost.mydomain has address 64.236.172.120 |
| 07:50.23 | nubbun | Host localhost.mydomain not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 07:50.32 | roxy_ | I found some offsite backup solution for about 1$/GB/month. It seems like a lot ? anyone knows a better value site ? |
| 07:50.49 | mlLK | roxy_, localhost ? |
| 07:50.56 | karsten | nubbun: Something screy's going on with your DNS. What's your default domain? |
| 07:50.59 | Wyzard | mlLK: Decide on what language(s) you want to use based on where the application will be hosted, and look for frameworks based on those languages |
| 07:51.12 | mlLK | Wyzard, check. |
| 07:51.14 | karsten | roxy_: That's really not very on-topic here. Google is your friend. |
| 07:51.30 | nubbun | I'm using my ISPs DNS. Perhaps they are screwing with me. |
| 07:51.42 | Wyzard | roxy_: Amazon S3 has better rates than that, I believe, though I've never used the service |
| 07:51.56 | mlLK | seems like i can write scripts all day but w/o storing it somehow i'll never accumlate to anything |
| 07:51.59 | karsten | nubbun: s/probably/lmost certianly/ |
| 07:52.00 | roxy_ | karsten: true |
| 07:52.12 | roxy_ | Wyzard: I'll have a look, thanks |
| 07:52.16 | mlLK | Wyzard, i wanna do something in LAMP |
| 07:52.20 | Wyzard | roxy_: There are some backup tools in Debian that can save backups to S3 ("duplicity" is one package that I know of) |
| 07:52.32 | karsten | mlLK: What specifically are you trying to do? Just finda programming project? |
| 07:52.45 | mlLK | karsten, i'd rather start from scratch |
| 07:52.49 | Wyzard | mlLK: I'd use PostgreSQL rather than MySQL if possible |
| 07:53.16 | roxy_ | Wyzard: price *are* better: $0.15 per GB-Month of storage used |
| 07:53.27 | karsten | mlLK: That's not what I asked. What are you trying to do? Just trying to find a programming project (of your own) to work on? |
| 07:53.31 | blubberdiblub | nubbun, if dig resolves it correctly to 127.0.0.1, but host does not, i'd rather suspect a misconfigured /etc/hosts (or some other database you have the resolver look at, configured at /etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 07:53.33 | mlLK | i'll have browse sf i guess |
| 07:53.36 | Wyzard | Anyway, if it's a database-driven app, designing a preliminary database schema would be a good place to start |
| 07:53.40 | roxy_ | Wyzard: and that duplicity makes it on topic here :-) |
| 07:53.50 | karsten | mlLK: Until you've got _some_ idea of what it is you're doing, there's not much guidance to give. |
| 07:54.04 | mlLK | karsten, i'm thinking something of storing tutorials in relation with users |
| 07:54.12 | mlLK | karsten, like a log |
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| 07:54.27 | nubbun | blubberdiblub: in etc/hosts, localhost is ::1 |
| 07:54.28 | karsten | would start with a functional dexcription of the app, determine what sorts of data need to be managed, and come up with a schema based on that. PFiguring that you'll probably have to scrap that a few times. |
| 07:55.01 | mlLK | karsten, maybe even an aggregation of tutorials already available |
| 07:55.03 | karsten | mlLK: OK. There's a number of educational software projects/systems out there. It's all content, changes, and relations, ultimately. |
| 07:55.18 | mlLK | moodle, eh? |
| 07:55.21 | blubberdiblub | nubbun, are you sure? ip6-localhost should be ::1, but localhost should say 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:55.57 | nubbun | blubberdiblub: yes. I intentionaly changed it. I run local network things on ip6 |
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| 07:56.59 | blubberdiblub | nubbun: you need a line saying "localhost 127.0.0.1" anyways. i'm not sure if the ip6 resolver is a different namespace and if you can thus use localhost for ::1 as well |
| 07:57.08 | Wyzard | nubbun: If the system's resolver sees ::1 while looking for an IPv4 address, it may ignore it and decide that host lookup has failed, and go to DNS instead |
| 07:57.19 | blubberdiblub | nubbun, sorry, i meant "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 07:57.21 | Wyzard | nubbun: That could explain why you're getting your ISP's DNS stuff for localhost |
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| 07:58.14 | nubbun | ah yes. I recall now I told iceweasel not to do IP6 lookups! My own customization confused me! Wyzard |
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| 07:58.56 | nubbun | because pretty much I never do IP6 things with iceweasel. |
| 07:59.16 | nubbun | and with default settings it always tries to resolve an IP6 address first. |
| 08:00.46 | blubberdiblub | anyways, i think not having localhost resolve to 127.0.0.1 in ipv4 is calling for trouble |
| 08:01.42 | nubbun | have to find out where the trouble is in order to fix it. |
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| 08:03.44 | oklinux | hey thrasher do you skateboarding ? |
| 08:04.05 | thrasher | yeah i use to |
| 08:04.15 | jos_ | hello were to go for good /etc/apt/sources.list for lennu mine is broke |
| 08:04.22 | jos_ | lenny |
| 08:04.23 | thrasher | :D |
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| 08:05.16 | jos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.37 | jos_ | /etc/apt/sources.list is broke |
| 08:06.08 | craigevil | jos_: http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/sourceslist.txt |
| 08:06.25 | craigevil | covers everything but the kitchen sink only use the repos you actually need |
| 08:06.35 | jos_ | thanks |
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| 08:07.00 | sinizzl | hello |
| 08:07.07 | wols | sinizzl: don't use that list. |
| 08:07.15 | sinizzl | huh? |
| 08:07.36 | craigevil | the lenny part is just fine wols |
| 08:07.48 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.56 | wols | craigevil: the sidux is not |
| 08:08.00 | craigevil | i didnt say for him to use the entire thing. just use the repos for the release your using |
| 08:08.12 | wols | as if he had the clue to do it |
| 08:08.18 | craigevil | its broken up by releases stable, tetsing. sid |
| 08:08.19 | wols | or the will |
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| 08:08.53 | craigevil | well yeah in that case he shouldnt use it |
| 08:08.55 | jos_ | wols>witch to take then |
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| 08:09.06 | wols | !tell jos_ about sources.list |
| 08:09.16 | craigevil | jos_: its broken down by releases only use the part that says testing |
| 08:09.25 | cafuego | Hackers actually roller skated before skateboards were invented. Didn't you know? |
| 08:09.38 | craigevil | only part in there he may not need is volatile and its commented |
| 08:09.49 | roxy_ | will kde4 be available for next stable release ? |
| 08:09.50 | jos_ | oke its oke im runing lenny so testing wil by oke? |
| 08:10.01 | craigevil | testing is lenny yes |
| 08:10.10 | jos_ | thanks |
| 08:10.31 | jos_ | niuew to debian |
| 08:10.39 | jos_ | normaal runing ubuntu |
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| 08:11.56 | stew | roxy_: not for lenny, no |
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| 08:12.50 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 08:12.56 | neoice_ | is there a good GUI tool to authenticate and mount samba shares? |
| 08:13.11 | d-b | neoice_: yes. swat |
| 08:13.22 | wols | that configures samba. doesn't mount anything |
| 08:13.32 | roxy_ | neoice_: konqueror does it |
| 08:13.46 | leo_rockw | smb4k |
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| 08:14.37 | neoice_ | anything without KDE? |
| 08:14.53 | leo_rockw | sorry, I wouldn't know... |
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| 08:16.25 | roxy_ | neoice_: not sure there is a life outside kde :-) |
| 08:16.56 | craigevil | with kde? thats just crazy talk |
| 08:17.51 | craigevil | sorry that should have been without kde |
| 08:18.11 | neoice_ | I should just install KDE |
| 08:18.23 | neoice_ | but then I'd have to set up the login window and I dont feel like it |
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| 08:19.46 | roxy_ | neoice_: you would have nothing to set up, but changing desktop manager just to access samba seems the wrong solution (even if choosing kde is the right solution :-) |
| 08:20.27 | neoice_ | roxy_: yes, I'm feeling like GNOME was the wrong choice too though |
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| 08:20.43 | sinizzl | kekekeke |
| 08:21.05 | roxy_ | neoice_: let's not start a flame war :-) |
| 08:21.32 | roxy_ | neoice_: what about mounting the samba partition on fstab ? you can use any file manager to see it after |
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| 08:22.15 | roxy_ | I am sure gnome has something gui |
| 08:22.17 | neoice_ | roxy_: I'm being lazy and I dont feel like editing config files. I'm also trying to account for the fact that this is a large network and I might need to mount more than just one share/server |
| 08:22.33 | neoice_ | there's a nautilus plugin, but it doesnt seem to care about authentication |
| 08:22.45 | neoice_ | and I'm trying pyNeighborhood with its GTK goodness |
| 08:24.01 | jos_ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 For these jobs the Samba File System kernel module, and tools, are a much better fit. |
| 08:24.15 | craigevil | apt-cache search samba lots of goodies |
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| 08:28.30 | jos_ | how to mount smb http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6776 |
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| 08:36.24 | boodie | Hio; I'm in trouble ... when booting this morning I had a "kernel panic" greeting - it says it can't find a kernel image on sda1 - what you suggest? |
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| 08:38.37 | AldoReset | hi, i have a prb with xen, the message 4gb fixup in domU, none issue found in the web change the prb. |
| 08:38.43 | AldoReset | i use lenny |
| 08:38.53 | AldoReset | a lenny uptodate |
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| 08:45.05 | boodie | Hio; I'm in trouble ... when booting this morning I had a "kernel panic" greeting - it says it can't find a kernel image on sda1 - what you suggest? |
| 08:45.16 | wols | !tell boodie about rescue |
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| 08:45.23 | wols | boot and install a kernel |
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| 08:45.41 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.41 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.58 | wols | !repeat |
| 08:45.59 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:46.42 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 08:47.04 | spikey | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457983 |
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| 09:01.23 | AldoReset | 4gb fixup prb no way to find a answer ? |
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| 09:10.51 | Ego86 | hi all |
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| 09:14.42 | Decepticon | (Decepticon) how do i check who is in a usergroup 'friends' |
| 09:16.13 | cahoot | Decepticon: grep friends /etc/group |
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| 09:17.15 | Decepticon | cahoot, someone else is in 'friends', how do i add myself to 'friends' also |
| 09:17.26 | Decepticon | i want to chown a dir so he and i can both access it |
| 09:17.37 | Decepticon | chown a dir to 'friends' |
| 09:17.52 | cahoot | you could use vigr |
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| 09:19.09 | Ego86 | do anybody uses the KioskCD? |
| 09:19.14 | Decepticon | is there a better way cahoot? |
| 09:19.18 | cahoot | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/userandgroup.htm |
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| 09:21.22 | blubberdiblub | Decepticon, adduser username groupname |
| 09:22.09 | Decepticon | thanks |
| 09:22.27 | cahoot | Decepticon: if you use gnome there also is a menudriven method |
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| 09:23.15 | Decepticon | im actually on cli, i just havent gotten into the hbabit of remembering what command does what, sincei only seem to need them very rarely |
| 09:23.29 | Decepticon | and then once i get what i need done, i seem to forget them over time |
| 09:23.30 | Decepticon | :/ |
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| 09:26.58 | brainsoft | ssh_host_dsa_key.pub.broken |
| 09:27.05 | boodie | Hi - last sunday I ran aptitude (I have etch on AMD64); it planted some security updates, this morning I got a nice "kernel panic" ... I then loaded the previous kernel that still was in grub, and everything works ... Now, what could be the problem, an incompatibility between this patch & my pc? What should I do now? |
| 09:27.16 | brainsoft | whats that? |
| 09:27.21 | wols | !tell boodie about errors |
| 09:27.38 | esds | boodie: VFS kernel panic? |
| 09:27.49 | liable | brainsoft: possibly from the key checking thing because of the ssh vuln ? |
| 09:27.50 | wols | brainsoft: a ssh key file with the vulnerable keys. see security bulletin frm may or so |
| 09:28.11 | brainsoft | must I remove it? |
| 09:28.50 | wols | no must but you can |
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| 09:29.01 | liable | brainsoft: see the ssh-vulnkey man page (i think thats what its called) |
| 09:29.10 | boodie | Ok, it said it could not find a kernel image on sda1 ... I blamed the HD initially and started to panic myself, then tried the "previous" version, and it works |
| 09:29.26 | NotMe | You broke it |
| 09:29.43 | wols | boodie: ls /boot and your menu.lst please. all in a pastebin |
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| 09:29.56 | esds | NotMe: Err, didnt he just update the kernel? |
| 09:30.02 | esds | .. |
| 09:30.20 | NotMe | I was joking esds |
| 09:30.30 | esds | IRC doesnt do irony! |
| 09:30.58 | raijin | lals |
| 09:31.00 | wols | if we're lucky we can get by with bronzy |
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| 09:31.32 | boodie | !tell boodie about pastebin |
| 09:31.43 | boodie | ops |
| 09:31.56 | raijin | lol boodie |
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| 09:32.35 | Usiu | hi |
| 09:32.51 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/19475 |
| 09:33.01 | Usiu | is it possible to compile kernel make-kpkg with -j 2 option to build on two cores with Dual Core processor s? |
| 09:33.10 | Usiu | to speed it up |
| 09:33.16 | raijin | -j5 |
| 09:33.27 | Usiu | raijin: but with make-kpkg ? |
| 09:33.37 | boodie | ehm ... where is menu.lst? |
| 09:33.41 | Usiu | raijin: or do I have to export some varible? |
| 09:33.48 | raijin | /boot/grub |
| 09:33.56 | raijin | Usiu: um |
| 09:33.57 | Usiu | boodie: unless you using grub2 |
| 09:34.31 | blubberdiblub | boodie, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:34.38 | blubberdiblub | uh, nvm |
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| 09:35.52 | Usiu | boodie: if you use grub2 then you have /boot/grub/grub.cfg which is generated automaticaly anytime you update kernel or install new one, however defaults are in /etc/defaults/grub when you use first grub version its in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 09:36.09 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/19476 |
| 09:36.14 | Usiu | raijin: ? |
| 09:36.18 | raijin | Usiu: the config file? |
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| 09:37.01 | raijin | ~/.kernel-pkg.conf or /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 09:37.02 | Usiu | raijin: I am interested in compiling kernel on Core Duo ;) |
| 09:37.17 | raijin | ^ |
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| 09:37.34 | esds | recompile the kernel the usual debian way with the flag --initrd |
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| 09:37.37 | esds | or --init, dont remember |
| 09:37.45 | esds | it should work |
| 09:38.36 | esds | (download the kernel-sources with apt) |
| 09:38.36 | brainsoft | if i'm uber unstable and I upgrade everyday im supposed to be solving all sec problems cos im upgrading? |
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| 09:38.45 | Usiu | esds: yes but I am recompiling really often testing one patch |
| 09:38.47 | esds | i guess your init/kernel doesnt load your device drivers correctly |
| 09:38.54 | esds | ie: scsi |
| 09:38.56 | Usiu | esds: would be nice to have this option in make-kpkg as well |
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| 09:39.34 | Usiu | raijin: thanks! :) |
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| 09:40.59 | Usiu | raijin: uh.. its not in kernel-pkg.cfg |
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| 09:41.08 | pozic | Is there a program that has as input two directories on two different machines and returns the files that are on the first machine, but not on the second machine? |
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| 09:42.14 | esds | pozic: how about a shellscript with nc/ssh |
| 09:42.22 | pozic | !nc |
| 09:42.22 | dpkg | hmm... nc is (Network Computer) This is a concept that came from the old days of dumb terminals. They are supposed to reduce the cost of standardized computers in the office environment. or the name of the netcat binary. North Carolina, or where the tobacco grows greener |
| 09:42.24 | esds | pozic: how about a shellscript with nc OR ssh/scp |
| 09:42.30 | esds | !netcat |
| 09:42.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, netcat is a neat little networking toolkit, or a must-have (http://www.l0pht.com/~weld/netcat/), or a great MUA... no, really. try "nc" if you want the other netcat thingy |
| 09:42.31 | wols | Usiu: make-kpkg does a initrd automatically if you tell it to |
| 09:43.10 | NinjaMan | hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry |
| 09:43.22 | NinjaMan | does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up? |
| 09:43.38 | Usiu | wols: yes but I would compile on two cores to speed it up, is it possible ? |
| 09:43.59 | blubberdiblub | Usiu, man make-kpkg, and search for CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 09:44.17 | wols | as blubberdiblub said |
| 09:44.24 | wols | and yes it is |
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| 09:44.26 | raijin | man make-kpkg |
| 09:44.57 | Usiu | blubberdiblub: thanks a lot |
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| 09:45.07 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
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| 09:48.37 | Usiu | blubberdiblub: I was wasting so much time before taking in to account times I compiled the kernel :) |
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| 09:51.01 | blubberdiblub | if you're dedicated enough, you don't really mind a long build time ;) |
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| 09:52.47 | wols | who cares about build time? you start and run it in the background and do something else |
| 09:52.57 | wols | then you come back after some time and install i |
| 09:52.58 | wols | t |
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| 09:53.22 | raz0 | long build times are bad for debugging |
| 09:53.23 | koolhead17 | hi guys |
| 09:53.34 | koolhead17 | just purchased a lappy |
| 09:53.38 | wols | he's not kernel dev |
| 09:53.42 | koolhead17 | and installed debian on it |
| 09:53.45 | wols | and they don't build full kernels |
| 09:53.46 | lagbolt | great koolhead17 |
| 09:53.47 | GhostlyDeath | koolhead17: awesome! |
| 09:53.55 | koolhead17 | but little prob |
| 09:53.56 | cahoot | if yiu do debugging chanses are you know how to config make-kpkg |
| 09:53.56 | wols | !tell koolhead17 about enter |
| 09:54.01 | koolhead17 | am not getting it in gui mode |
| 09:54.06 | wols | koolhead17: yes the problem is you misuse your enter key |
| 09:54.06 | koolhead17 | i checked initab |
| 09:54.09 | koolhead17 | it has 2 |
| 09:54.24 | wols | koolhead17: is a displaymanager installed? if so which? |
| 09:54.25 | lagbolt | koolhead17, did you install X? |
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| 09:55.24 | Usiu | wols: I am was debugging GEM enabled kernel so I needed to git pull and compile it one more time |
| 09:55.26 | raijin | lol "thanks for telling me to RTFM" |
| 09:55.46 | koolhead17 | i have the minimal install cd with me |
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| 09:56.11 | EmleyMoor | Where is the config for dosbox? |
| 09:56.43 | wols | EmleyMoor: in ~ |
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| 09:56.51 | GhostlyDeath | raijin: Repeat the first message |
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| 09:57.16 | wols | koolhead17: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 09:57.24 | koolhead17 | k |
| 09:57.37 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm..., there must therefore be one but I can't find it |
| 09:57.57 | raijin | GhostlyDeath: sorry trolling |
| 09:58.05 | wols | EmleyMoor: why _must_ there be one? |
| 09:58.18 | wols | EmleyMoor: look in /etc/ for *dosbox* too |
| 09:58.24 | wols | and in your ~ for .dosbox* |
| 09:58.44 | Usiu | wols: I am not sure if You know, but have you tried sysprof with 2.6.27 ? |
| 09:59.04 | GhostlyDeath | EmleyMoor: There is none unless you make it AFAIK |
| 09:59.12 | EmleyMoor | wols: Because it's pulling stuff that must be from it |
| 09:59.31 | Usiu | wols: module from debian does not compile netiher one from svn, is enabling in kernel hacking sysprof tracer enough ? |
| 09:59.32 | wols | EmleyMoor: BS. ever heard of "defaults"? |
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| 09:59.55 | raijin | and Usiu you can set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL in the config file |
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| 10:00.27 | GhostlyDeath | wols: You seem fed up today |
| 10:00.27 | koolhead17 | wols: no package found |
| 10:00.42 | wols | !tell koolhead17 about install X |
| 10:00.42 | greggman | hello..any video streaming app for debian? like that of youtube.. I'll be streaming .avi file |
| 10:01.11 | wols | greggman: youtube is a flashscript... |
| 10:01.15 | EmleyMoor | I have already looked in the obvious places. It is trying to mount a no longer valid directory from a previous incarnation. That is not a default |
| 10:01.26 | pozic | esds: I get nervous when I need to write a shellscript that scales >10,000 files, since shell commands break so fast. |
| 10:02.08 | greggman | wols, any script that would not be user dependent? |
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| 10:02.14 | EmleyMoor | Think I've just found it |
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| 10:02.39 | wols | greggman: you make no sense |
| 10:03.02 | greggman | wols, thank you |
| 10:03.51 | pozic | greggman: you can stream video with VLC. |
| 10:04.04 | koolhead17 | am using gnome testing |
| 10:04.14 | koolhead17 | oops debian testing |
| 10:04.16 | wols | koolhead17: you aren't using anything without X |
| 10:04.26 | greggman | pozic, I will try that one. Can I stream .avi with vlc? |
| 10:04.28 | pozic | greggman: Youtube has a server side component and a client in Flash. |
| 10:04.32 | wols | koolhead17: I told you what to do and dpkg messaged you |
| 10:04.43 | pozic | greggman: the problem is that you don't say what you mean by stream. |
| 10:04.59 | koolhead17 | wols: okey.thanks |
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| 10:05.26 | Decepticon | how do i see a ls listing with each dir in the ls listing having a size that is all inclusive of its subdirs/files? |
| 10:05.37 | Decepticon | instead of 4096 for every dir |
| 10:05.44 | wols | Decepticon: du |
| 10:06.03 | greggman | pozic, I mean.. I want a group of people in the LAN to watch movie saved in my debian box..they're all windows users |
| 10:06.08 | Decepticon | how do i not see subdirs sizes, and only the dirs in the current dir |
| 10:06.20 | greggman | pozic, accessible using http |
| 10:06.26 | Decepticon | and their all-inclusive sizes only |
| 10:06.32 | nkuttler | Decepticon: man du |
| 10:06.36 | Decepticon | thanks |
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| 10:07.14 | pozic | greggman: I don't know whether VLC can do that. If the users have VLC installed and so do you, then it is possible (but I doubt that's http...). |
| 10:07.39 | pozic | greggman: you could like read the documentation and find out. |
| 10:08.01 | greggman | pozic, thank you for the tip. I will try it. |
| 10:09.07 | Decepticon | i read man du, it doesnt seem to have any swithc that will allow me to only see the ls listing of the current dir without diving into the subdirs of each dir and giving their respective sizes as well... |
| 10:09.21 | Decepticon | theres -S but it doesnt seem to be what im looking for |
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| 10:11.51 | pozic | Decepticon: try 'du *' |
| 10:11.56 | wols | pozic: vlc is a streaming client and server |
| 10:12.06 | pozic | wols: yes (didn |
| 10:12.12 | pozic | wols: 't I say that)? |
| 10:12.31 | brainsoft | can you know what root have typed after a session if you dont have .bash_history ? |
| 10:12.31 | Decepticon | pozic that still gives me a listing of subdirs inside 1st level dirs (i dont want to see those) |
| 10:12.48 | artee | Decepticon, 'du -sh *' |
| 10:12.50 | Decepticon | i only want to see the 1st level dirs sizes |
| 10:12.58 | Decepticon | *all inclusive sizes |
| 10:13.02 | artee | Decepticon, or 'du -s *' |
| 10:13.42 | Decepticon | thanks artee |
| 10:13.45 | Decepticon | thats A LOT better |
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| 10:14.23 | pozic | Decepticon: du --max-depth=1 should work too |
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| 10:14.50 | Decepticon | hmm yeah i mustve missed that switch in man du |
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| 10:22.01 | dbbddbdb | Hi! How can I make module-assistant use my kernel config options instead of the one that comes with source tarballs? |
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| 10:22.35 | dbbddbdb | SND_CS46XX (infinitely useful!) somehow got disabled in 2.6.26 headers and alsa-source builds without the module for my soundcard |
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| 10:24.12 | dbbddbdb | I tried editing /usr/src/linux/.config (.26 headers) and then doing m-a prepare, but it didn't help |
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| 10:25.19 | wols | dbbddbdb: didn't you use kernel-package to build your custom kernel? |
| 10:25.54 | dbbddbdb | wols: no, my kernel is image-2.6.26-6 |
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| 10:26.32 | wols | if it's a debian kernel it should use its config just fine |
| 10:27.34 | dbbddbdb | Doesn't m-a look for /usr/src/linux/.config for configuration options? |
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| 10:32.24 | trifler | Can debian which is running ext3 as fs, read a drive with ntfs. What I want to do is get ahold of some files on that disk before I can erase the data. |
| 10:33.08 | cahoot | trifler: reading should be no problem, modprobe ntfs |
| 10:33.26 | cahoot | (and mount the drive) |
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| 10:34.47 | cahoot | trifler: in fact I think simply mounting the drive should autoload ntfs |
| 10:35.26 | trifler | cahoot: that sounds kinda nice :) |
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| 10:36.22 | sly007 | Hello, what's the line to add to get non free packages in sid ? |
| 10:37.01 | sly007 | or which package should I reconfigure? |
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| 10:38.38 | trifler | sources.list ? |
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| 10:39.43 | trifler | sly007: That what for you btw. |
| 10:40.00 | trifler | sly007: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:40.19 | sly007 | trifler: yes, but what should I type into it? |
| 10:40.50 | sly007 | At installation time it asks if I want to use non-free software, I want to say yes now |
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| 10:41.37 | zob | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 10:41.48 | zob | thats what i have in sources.list |
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| 10:42.15 | trifler | sly007: what zob said but perhaps another mirror. |
| 10:42.21 | zob | right :-) |
| 10:42.33 | sly007 | no deb-src line? |
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| 10:43.10 | trifler | sly007: I'm sorry I don |
| 10:43.13 | trifler | 't |
| 10:43.20 | trifler | know that much about linux :) |
| 10:43.31 | trifler | But that to I guess. |
| 10:43.46 | zob | sly007: only if you want to compile own packages |
| 10:44.03 | wols | !tell slummer about non-free |
| 10:44.18 | trifler | wols: he left |
| 10:44.25 | wols | doh :( |
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| 11:49.19 | dudeman | !ping |
| 11:49.19 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:05.31 | cire | My PCIID of DVB-Card is still changing when built into another pc. Is this a bios bug? |
| 12:05.52 | wols | that can't be. PCI IDs are fixed |
| 12:05.57 | wols | on the card |
| 12:06.12 | maligor | you mean queried from the card |
| 12:06.20 | maligor | it could be bad contact |
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| 12:07.19 | cire | I did lspci -nn on both machines, with different results |
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| 12:07.45 | abrotman | cire: have you compared this to the lspci -nn without the card plugged in ? |
| 12:07.47 | cire | The machine with the wrong id is the new intel Atom board D945CGLF2 |
| 12:08.12 | maligor | what does it give as the id? |
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| 12:08.23 | cire | abrotman: no, should I? |
| 12:08.32 | cire | the ids are |
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| 12:08.55 | maligor | you'd think all dvb cards were of relatively recent pci standard too |
| 12:09.09 | cire | 11d0:2103 (wrong) and 13d0:2103 (correct) |
| 12:09.47 | maligor | vendor gets a few bits flipped |
| 12:10.01 | maligor | tried some other pci card on it? |
| 12:10.14 | abrotman | cire: compare it to the lspci -nn without the card plugged in to make sure oyu're actually looking at the right thing |
| 12:10.16 | cire | yes. I plugged in a firewire extension card |
| 12:10.26 | cire | didn't check for correct pciids, but it was working |
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| 12:11.09 | cire | abrotman: I did this without -nn. It is the correct card I'm looking at |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | tried other slots? |
| 12:12.16 | maligor | I think atoms only have one |
| 12:12.42 | maligor | dunno how the pci id is transmitted but it could be a contact issue |
| 12:13.04 | abrotman | over and over? |
| 12:13.23 | cire | It is always the same, wrong, ID. My Board only has 1 slot. |
| 12:13.35 | cire | There's need for a riser card, perhaps this is the problem |
| 12:13.37 | cire | (bad contact) |
| 12:14.02 | cire | I'll try without the riser |
| 12:15.35 | maligor | you'd think other cards would get errors if it was so tho |
| 12:15.54 | maligor | I doubt the pci id is sent over a exclusive channel |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | there are no other cards |
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| 12:16.07 | maligor | I meant with the firewire card |
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| 12:16.47 | cire | thee firewire card worked fine |
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| 12:30.31 | binary | hey all |
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| 12:31.14 | binary | I'm running lenny, and ktorrent is using 60% of my CPU when I'm not downloading anything. Does anybody know why? |
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| 12:32.00 | Maliuta | binary: have you tried to do a trace or a lsof or any kind of diagnosis to see what it's actually doing? |
| 12:32.23 | GhostlyDeath | *cough*starts with k*cough* |
| 12:32.27 | binary | no, I'm not experienced with diagnosing programs, I will man both those commands now |
| 12:32.30 | binary | GhostlyDeath: lol |
| 12:32.35 | binary | GhostlyDeath: it's the only K app I use :-( |
| 12:32.38 | Maliuta | binary: or are you just hoping someone magically knows all the details of your system and can tell you why the ones aren't zeros? |
| 12:32.44 | binary | GhostlyDeath: becuase to be fair it's a great torrent client |
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| 12:33.02 | GhostlyDeath | binary: yes it is |
| 12:33.03 | Maliuta | binary: try rtorrent |
| 12:33.11 | binary | Maliuta: I was thinking there might of been a more general issue with the version of ktorrent in lenny, that people may of known about |
| 12:33.14 | GhostlyDeath | it's the one of the only 2 KDE apps I use |
| 12:33.17 | Maliuta | rtorrent in a screen session |
| 12:33.21 | GhostlyDeath | ktorrent and KHexEdit |
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| 12:33.43 | mlLK | http://paste.linuxassist.net/19717 |
| 12:33.47 | GhostlyDeath | because ghex crashes alot and bless can't save multiple changes |
| 12:33.47 | binary | Maliuta: I like ktorrent, and I'm not changing just because there is a problem |
| 12:33.55 | binary | GhostlyDeath: lol |
| 12:34.01 | mlLK | how can i set those 3 |
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| 12:34.26 | mlLK | !locale |
| 12:34.26 | dpkg | methinks locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 12:35.51 | binary | Maliuta: what is the package name of "trace" |
| 12:36.31 | th0ger | I recently converted from ext2 to ext3 (by simply stating drive as ext3 in fstab). According to 'mount' it is now mounted as ext3. However, fsck is still running after power faliure, how can that be? |
| 12:37.09 | binary | th0ger: surely stating that the drive is ext3 in fstab just not convert the drives fs ? |
| 12:37.24 | asg | th0ger: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 12:37.37 | asg | th0ger: it requires more than just changing an fstab entry |
| 12:37.51 | Eulex | th0ger, did you add a journal to the partition? anyway, fsck is still supposed to run. |
| 12:37.54 | binary | * "just" "does" |
| 12:38.27 | enouf | indeed |
| 12:38.51 | th0ger | I read in a howto that it was enough to state ext in fstab, but your probably right? |
| 12:39.18 | enouf | th0ger: man tune2fs |
| 12:39.30 | binary | emily:~# lsof /usr/bin/ktorrent |
| 12:39.30 | binary | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 12:39.30 | binary | ktorrent 6708 binary txt REG 8,2 715260 5706881 /usr/bin/ktorrent |
| 12:39.30 | binary | emily:~# |
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| 12:39.40 | th0ger | how do i check if a journal exists? |
| 12:39.43 | binary | woops sorry |
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| 12:39.55 | enouf | th0ger: man tune2fs |
| 12:40.03 | liable | th0ger: if its mounted as etx3 it has a journal |
| 12:40.12 | enouf | file -s ; mount ; etc |
| 12:40.16 | th0ger | liable: it is!! |
| 12:40.24 | enouf | !!! |
| 12:40.24 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 12:40.48 | neoice_ | dpkg ftw |
| 12:40.48 | dpkg | breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 12:40.58 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:41.48 | trifler | So I've connected an old hardrive into my debian comp. the fs on that disk is ntfs and when i enter fdisk -l it shows the disk. It should be enough to mount it now right? |
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| 12:44.04 | th0ger | binary, asg: You're aparently wrong: 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda3' says 'The filesystem already has a journal.' |
| 12:44.21 | th0ger | and i only changed fstab |
| 12:44.46 | Eulex | th0ger, then it's already ext3, and has apparently always been. |
| 12:45.01 | abrotman | Eulex: it keeps fscking |
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| 12:45.09 | th0ger | Eulex: no it hasn't :-) |
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| 12:45.27 | Eulex | th0ger, an ext3 fs can be mounted as ext2. it's backwards-compatible. |
| 12:45.29 | th0ger | abrotman: yes, that was my questing, |
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| 12:45.45 | abrotman | th0ger: does your fsck finish correctly? |
| 12:45.50 | Eulex | abrotman, yeah, which is a bit strange |
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| 12:45.57 | th0ger | Eulex: i know. I created it as ext2 many years ago, i know. |
| 12:46.01 | th0ger | abrotman: yes |
| 12:46.06 | abrotman | th0ger: not a single error? |
| 12:46.23 | th0ger | abrotman: i think it's fsck.ext3 |
| 12:46.59 | abrotman | th0ger: you could try it from a live cd ? |
| 12:46.59 | th0ger | abrotman: no usually i dont think so. |
| 12:47.16 | th0ger | abrotman: try what :-) |
| 12:48.01 | enouf | th0ger: is the journal external? |
| 12:48.24 | th0ger | enouf: i dont know |
| 12:48.56 | abrotman | th0ger: is it perhaps being unmounted uncleanly ? |
| 12:49.46 | th0ger | abrotman: could be... I just know that fsck.ext3 is running |
| 12:50.19 | th0ger | ... on power failiure / hard reboot |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | so if you do a normal reboot .. it's fine .. but coldboot/pwer failure make it fsck ? |
| 12:51.00 | th0ger | abrotman: yes |
| 12:51.11 | abrotman | well .. the power failure bit is normal |
| 12:51.39 | th0ger | abrotman: btw, it has pass=1 in fsck |
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| 12:52.48 | enouf | th0ger: either way, enable bootlogd, just for the heck of it - do you have /var/log/fsck/* ? |
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| 12:53.03 | bolt | what do I have to install to get sha256 listed in /proc/crypto? |
| 12:53.19 | enouf | crypt-setup? |
| 12:53.45 | bolt | enouf: i have that. i only got aes and md5 |
| 12:54.43 | enouf | heh, i don't know .. |
| 12:54.59 | th0ger | is rebooting to check for fsck.ext3 |
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| 12:55.46 | trifler | What would I need to be able to mount an ntfs drive? |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | read only or read/write ? |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | th0bah |
| 12:57.59 | trifler | abrotman: Im just gonna copy some files from it so I can format it to ext3. |
| 12:58.22 | abrotman | the in-kernel driver should work for read-only |
| 12:59.25 | enouf | bolt: modprobe sha256_generic ? |
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| 12:59.57 | bolt | enouf: ah. there is was. something for my /etc/modules i guess :) |
| 12:59.59 | bolt | enouf: thanks |
| 13:00.03 | trifler | abrotman: I've tried mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /new-disk , but when I ls it I dont get any files. |
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| 13:00.19 | abrotman | trifler: what do you get? |
| 13:00.26 | trifler | . and .. |
| 13:00.27 | enouf | bolt: yep, i just tested here |
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| 13:01.03 | abrotman | trifler: no errors mounting ? |
| 13:01.21 | trifler | not in my term atleast. |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | you could use ntfs-3g if you prefer |
| 13:01.43 | trifler | abrotman: and not in dmesg |
| 13:01.44 | bolt | reboots |
| 13:01.56 | trifler | abrotman: Is that avail in stable? |
| 13:02.05 | abrotman | !tell trifler about bpo |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | trifler: ls -ld /new-disk/ |
| 13:02.36 | abrotman | trifler: cd /new-disk/ && ls -a |
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| 13:03.02 | trifler | abrotman: that list the files allright |
| 13:03.20 | dokma | hey guys. I've got trouble with my Xorg crashing and freezing my machine |
| 13:03.34 | abrotman | trifler: pwd .. you're in /new-disk/ right ? |
| 13:03.39 | dokma | I switched to my onboard gpu and now it's fine |
| 13:03.40 | mlLK | i goofed up my locales |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | trifler: `mount` .. is your ntfs drive actually mounted ? |
| 13:03.49 | trifler | abrotman: yes |
| 13:04.03 | dokma | any1 got an idea how to test if it's the gpu or the software part? |
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| 13:04.08 | trifler | abrotman: /dev/hdb1 on /new-disk type ntfs (rw) |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | you sure it's hdb1 ? |
| 13:04.45 | dokma | abrotman you got any clue on how to test if my gpu is messing it up or some soft part? |
| 13:04.51 | abrotman | trifler: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 13:04.56 | trifler | abrotman: It list the drives content now |
| 13:05.01 | abrotman | dokma: try the vesa driver |
| 13:05.05 | enouf | dokma: try the card in another box, and/or under different OS, or even a LiveCD |
| 13:05.08 | abrotman | trifler: that was magical eh? :) |
| 13:05.15 | trifler | abrotman: sure was |
| 13:05.17 | dokma | abrotman: did that and it wouldn't start at all |
| 13:05.28 | abrotman | dokma: you probalby have to change some other settings |
| 13:05.30 | dokma | I think it reported that no devices were found |
| 13:05.42 | dokma | abrotman: I see |
| 13:05.44 | dokma | thanks |
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| 13:05.46 | dokma | will try it again |
| 13:05.57 | enouf | dokma: could be your BIOS settings though also - so ... you need to check/compare dmesg logs |
| 13:05.57 | trifler | man ls |
| 13:05.58 | trifler | ups |
| 13:06.09 | dokma | enouf: it boots fine |
| 13:06.21 | dokma | and works ok till I start watchin videos in kaffeine |
| 13:06.30 | dokma | then Xorg dies and freezes my machine |
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| 13:06.46 | dokma | that is with fglrx driver and |
| 13:06.52 | dokma | hd3450 |
| 13:06.53 | enouf | there ya go |
| 13:06.53 | trifler | abrotman: Wounderful ty! |
| 13:06.56 | dokma | radeon |
| 13:07.04 | abrotman | trifler: i didn't fix anything! |
| 13:07.14 | trifler | abrotman: Well you made something happen. |
| 13:07.23 | binary | meh I've moved back to KDE2.2 |
| 13:07.30 | dokma | enouf: what would you do in my place? |
| 13:07.32 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 13:07.32 | dpkg | [\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 13:07.33 | binary | lmao |
| 13:07.35 | binary | not KDE 2.2 |
| 13:07.43 | binary | Ktorrent 2.2 |
| 13:07.43 | enouf | dokma: what i first mentioned |
| 13:07.53 | enouf | wussy |
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| 13:08.03 | binary | enouf: who me? |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | trifler: i'm magic! |
| 13:08.11 | dokma | wussy = wimp+pussy |
| 13:08.12 | trifler | abrotman: Sure are |
| 13:08.15 | enouf | yes, but i'm <jk> |
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| 13:08.20 | binary | lol |
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| 13:09.17 | binjured | hmmm... can anyone think of an reason why `free` would be reporting barely any free memory when `top` only shows around 10% of the total being used? |
| 13:09.35 | enouf | see cacched/buffers +/- |
| 13:09.36 | mlLK | http://rafb.net/p/uHrGen85.html |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 13:09.53 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 13:09.55 | enouf | binjured: it's cached RAM, so it's not wasted |
| 13:09.58 | mlLK | does localedef resolve this? |
| 13:10.17 | binjured | ah, thank you! pardon my ignorance! |
| 13:10.20 | ComradeHaz | hey guys, what's the deal with kde4.0 in debian. I thought it was still a bit unstable but my uni are running it in the labs under fedora... What's the deal with that atm for us'? |
| 13:11.00 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: it is perfectly usable |
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| 13:11.07 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 13:11.07 | dpkg | kde4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 13:11.07 | Kovensky | it is just that most apps are still in the porting stage |
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| 13:11.10 | Kovensky | and it has some annoying bugs |
| 13:11.36 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 13:11.39 | _linuxftw | How can I create a wireless network with Debian? |
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| 13:11.46 | ComradeHaz | so your advice would be to keep waiting? |
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| 13:11.59 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: try it and see if the bugs annoys you :) |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | _linuxftw: you mean an access point ? |
| 13:12.02 | ComradeHaz | _linuxftw: ndiswrapper |
| 13:12.02 | Kovensky | or wait for 4.2 |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: why> |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:12.08 | _linuxftw | abrotman: Yes |
| 13:12.14 | Kovensky | lots of application ports will be released with 4.2 |
| 13:12.15 | _linuxftw | ComradeHaz: Thanks |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | _linuxftw: it depends on your driver, not all support it |
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| 13:12.18 | Kovensky | like amarok and kopete |
| 13:12.27 | abrotman | _linuxftw: try it without ndiswrapper .. that uses the windows driver |
| 13:12.27 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 13:12.50 | ComradeHaz | I tend to assume they have abrotman |
| 13:13.04 | ComradeHaz | and tbh, ndiswrapper's so easy |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | they have what? |
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| 13:13.21 | abrotman | most people would prefer not to use ndiswrapper |
| 13:13.24 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: try finding a 64-bit driver for ENLWI-G... |
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| 13:13.39 | ComradeHaz | fair |
| 13:13.41 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 13:13.52 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 13:13.53 | _linuxftw | abrotman: How can I find if my wireless driver supports it? |
| 13:14.06 | Kovensky | _linuxftw: run iwconfig |
| 13:14.08 | abrotman | _linuxftw: i think the wireless-tools can tell you .. moment |
| 13:14.16 | Kovensky | with wireless-tools installed :) |
| 13:14.23 | ComradeHaz | it's time to flatten my linux box. It's going over to 64 bit with lvm'ed raid2 |
| 13:14.29 | ComradeHaz | should be fun to set up :D |
| 13:14.36 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: I use a 3-stripe lvm |
| 13:14.40 | _linuxftw | Okay, just installing wireless tools |
| 13:14.44 | Kovensky | and I'm on 64-bit since earlier this year :) |
| 13:14.47 | ComradeHaz | 3-stripe? |
| 13:15.07 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: lvm spread over 3 drives with raid0-like workings |
| 13:15.15 | enouf | his flag is missing pieces |
| 13:15.23 | abrotman | _linuxftw: man iwconfig .. it tells oyu how to change modes |
| 13:15.24 | ComradeHaz | ah, for speed rather than security? |
| 13:15.29 | bolt | enouf: yay. now i have encrypted swap :) |
| 13:15.40 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: I would spread my partitions over several drives anyway |
| 13:15.42 | Kovensky | they're small |
| 13:15.44 | enouf | bolt: w00h00 ;-) |
| 13:15.45 | Kovensky | and I need a big partition |
| 13:15.46 | bolt | <-- hobby paranoid |
| 13:15.58 | ComradeHaz | I#m tempted by that, but think I'd rather go for redundancy |
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| 13:17.26 | ComradeHaz | lol, nice connectivity issues for dsl_ there :D |
| 13:17.36 | ComradeHaz | kind of apt really ;D |
| 13:17.36 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: I have 2 80G disks and 1 250G disk, and a 160G home folder spread over those 3 disks |
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| 13:17.54 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 13:17.56 | Kovensky | not that I couldn't have done with just the 250G disk, but the idea was... I don't even remember what I was thinking LOL |
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| 13:18.04 | ComradeHaz | loool |
| 13:18.10 | ComradeHaz | I know the feeling |
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| 13:18.36 | ComradeHaz | "Now wtf did I do that?" is somethig I often think :D |
| 13:18.40 | Kovensky | xD |
| 13:18.43 | _linuxftw | I think I'm missing a wireless driver altogether |
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| 13:18.49 | Kovensky | I've been thinking about repartitioning for a while now |
| 13:18.54 | abrotman | _linuxftw: what's your wifi card? |
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| 13:19.03 | Kovensky | maybe even without lvm, so I don't need initrds with custom kernels |
| 13:19.13 | _linuxftw | abrotman: Not sure off the top of my head, i'll go and find out |
| 13:19.14 | ComradeHaz | pff |
| 13:19.18 | Kovensky | the thing is, I have 200G+ of anime and other data ._. |
| 13:19.21 | ComradeHaz | that's all beyond me anyway |
| 13:19.36 | ComradeHaz | anime?! |
| 13:19.42 | ComradeHaz | sigs :D |
| 13:19.46 | ComradeHaz | *sighs |
| 13:19.48 | ComradeHaz | :P |
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| 13:20.01 | Kovensky | ComradeHaz: anime is the win |
| 13:20.06 | Kovensky | now we're getting offtopic :) |
| 13:20.33 | ComradeHaz | you started it!! :P <---said in childish sing-song voice |
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| 13:21.38 | drpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.40 | drpp | | | |___ ___ ___ _ _ | | | |___ ___| |_ ___ ___ _| | | _ | | | |
| 13:21.42 | drpp | | | .'| . | . | | | | | | | -_| -_| '_| -_| | . | | | | | |
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| 13:21.46 | drpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | drpp: could you .. not do that? |
| 13:22.31 | ComradeHaz | wtf is it meant to be anyway? |
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| 13:24.05 | abrotman | NotMe2: wrong channel ? |
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| 13:24.48 | JPT | mhh... looks like a very broken gun ? |
| 13:25.00 | et | it said "happy weekend all" |
| 13:25.02 | pbn | Hello, how can I mount an ext3 filesystem which is on an external FireWire hard drive ? |
| 13:25.21 | abrotman | pbn: mount -t ext3 /dev/<device> /<mountopint> |
| 13:25.26 | enouf | pbn: same as any other |
| 13:25.35 | pbn | abrotman: that I know, but what is device ? :) |
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| 13:25.52 | enouf | see dmesg |
| 13:26.37 | enouf | rgrep 1394 /etc/udev/ for clues :-P |
| 13:26.41 | blubberdiblub | Kovensky, you could easily make a (relatively) small root partition while keeping /usr /var /your_custom etc. on lvm without needing an initrd |
| 13:27.24 | Kovensky | blubberdiblub: I keep only /boot outside |
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| 13:27.31 | pbn | well I'm reading /var/log/messages and it says it has found a scsi drive |
| 13:27.46 | pbn | but with fdisk -l I can't see the drive's partition table |
| 13:27.47 | enouf | pbn: dmesg | tail is quick |
| 13:28.10 | enouf | unsupported Partition Table style |
| 13:28.12 | pbn | Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 22 |
| 13:28.12 | pbn | sd 5:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 13:28.13 | pbn | oops |
| 13:28.36 | enouf | pbn: try parted |
| 13:28.50 | enouf | and/or gparted, one sec |
| 13:29.10 | pbn | but the very same disk mounts automatically when connected in USB 2.0 |
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| 13:30.56 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:31.05 | Ace2016 | are there any mirror resync issues? |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | which mirrors? |
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| 13:31.46 | Ace2016 | http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ |
| 13:31.52 | ecto | Does anyone know how to stop the desktop preview from glitching up on login when compiz starts...it shows 1 instead of 4. Then when you change it to 4 it goes haywire and shows about 30...then you set it to 1 and then it shows 4? |
| 13:32.01 | pbn | well qtparted can't see it either |
| 13:32.03 | ecto | I'm sure it's something to do with compiz... :/ |
| 13:32.38 | Ace2016 | the nvidia-glx package there is old, still 173.xx.xx-x |
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| 13:32.51 | enouf | pbn: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_forensics/message/2821 and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_Unix/Explanations/Partitioning_Disks .. though with that newer info it would appear you need some ieee1394/firewire support - which kernel? |
| 13:33.21 | pbn | enouf: 2.6.24 |
| 13:33.33 | Ace2016 | maybe i grabbed it from experimental |
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| 13:35.06 | enouf | pbn: and does fdisk work when connected as USB? |
| 13:35.08 | pbn | and the firewire kernel modules are loaded |
| 13:35.18 | pbn | enouf: yes it does when connected in USB 2.0 |
| 13:35.24 | enouf | that was my next question |
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| 13:35.54 | enouf | then it's kernel or udev related - can you pastebin what fdisk sees when USB connected? |
| 13:36.05 | _linuxftw | abrotman: My Wifi card is an "Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Connection Adapter" |
| 13:36.24 | pbn | hm well I'm switching back to USB 2.0 :( |
| 13:36.29 | pbn | thanks anyway enouf ;) |
| 13:36.31 | enouf | pbn: wait ... |
| 13:36.47 | enouf | pbn: try a newer (or even older) kernel as well .. |
| 13:36.49 | abrotman | _linuxftw: what were you looking for? that uses the ipw2200 driver |
| 13:37.03 | enouf | pbn: are you on etch? |
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| 13:37.18 | _linuxftw | abrotman: Yes, I'm trying to install the ipw2200 driver |
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| 13:37.44 | enouf | pbn: there's a .26 in etch-backports - i recall some firewire/ieee1394 mess ~.24 time |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | !tell _linuxftw about ipw2200 |
| 13:37.51 | _linuxftw | ty |
| 13:37.53 | pbn | enouf: lenny |
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| 13:38.47 | enouf | pbn: lenny is at .26 |
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| 13:38.47 | pbn | enouf: not mine. Issues with .26 |
| 13:38.47 | enouf | pbn: ugh, custom kernel? |
| 13:38.48 | pbn | enouf: no, binary Debian kernel |
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| 13:38.58 | enouf | well, start hunting |
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| 13:39.11 | enouf | see BTS for starters |
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| 13:39.59 | pbn | enouf: BTS for firewire issues ? uhhh :)... |
| 13:40.05 | enouf | confine searches to .24 ish - also see kernelnewbies.org and follow changes from say .21->.26 and see whats changed |
| 13:40.38 | pbn | actually I need to copy that stuff right now... so well it will take maybe two hours in USB 2.0 but it will be done :) |
| 13:40.40 | enouf | + ' |
| 13:40.49 | pbn | fixing firewire on Debian isn't actually a prioriy |
| 13:41.12 | enouf | suit yourself |
| 13:41.22 | pbn | maybe is the external drive "acting funny"... I could plug it in my iBook, but I doubt MacOSX will mount ext3 ... |
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| 13:41.59 | pbn | because it's kinda weird, in dmesg the kernel says it has found the firewire external hard drive and that it has given it the /dev/sda node |
| 13:42.13 | pbn | but then, nothing, and the red light on the hard drive is red all the time |
| 13:42.35 | pbn | so maybe is the external case "acting funny" when you use it on the firewire port |
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| 13:43.31 | pbn | actually I bought a firewire + USB 2.0 external harddrive because I need to plug it in my iBook G3, and iBook G3 only knows USB 1.0 and FireWire. And transferring 80 GB on USB 1.0 is gonna me much much slower |
| 13:43.34 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_24#head-67858fb3a25878669f2b7840d65054b98d29a9f9 |
| 13:44.11 | euzao | UdontKnow, vc tá a� |
| 13:44.27 | Kovensky | euzao: sem português aqui |
| 13:44.45 | abrotman | !pt |
| 13:44.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 13:44.54 | pbn | enouf: well I don't think there could be so many changes in FireWire support between .24 and .26... but I'm not a kernel wizard :) |
| 13:45.29 | enouf | pbn: follow the bugs :-P (and new stack) |
| 13:45.41 | omkar_raut | is flashplugin(firefox) package available in lenny? |
| 13:46.04 | enouf | !tell omkar_raut -about flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:47.12 | esds | !tell esds about porn |
| 13:47.38 | esds | !tell esds about pr0n |
| 13:47.49 | euzao | how do I change my mac automatically? |
| 13:47.53 | enouf | pbn: aha, yep mac-fdisk :-P |
| 13:47.58 | euzao | the mac of my networking device? |
| 13:48.15 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search mac-fdisk |
| 13:48.15 | enouf | gnu-fdisk - Linux fdisk replacement based on libparted |
| 13:49.05 | stew | enouf: you can add a hwaddress directive to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:49.24 | enouf | stew: misfire ;-) |
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| 13:49.32 | stew | enouf: but you can |
| 13:49.45 | stew | euzao: so can you |
| 13:49.55 | enouf | hehe |
| 13:50.14 | enouf | !coffee stew |
| 13:50.15 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic Peruvian for stew, courtesy of enouf |
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| 13:51.12 | cusco | what was that tool to keep executing certain ommand every 2 or 3 seconds to follow the changes |
| 13:51.22 | enouf | stew: would there be implications or conflicts with z25/70 ? |
| 13:51.49 | cusco | I forgot |
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| 13:52.09 | euzao | using macchanger, it will be kept after reboot? |
| 13:52.11 | euzao | !macchanger |
| 13:52.11 | dpkg | To change the mac address on your network card, look at the macchanger package. Also ask me about <z25>, <ifrename>, <nameif>. |
| 13:52.28 | enouf | stew: or would one use 'ip link ethX ...' maybe in rc.local? or similar startup script? how about the pre-up* file/dir entries? |
| 13:52.33 | esds | or you can just use iwconfig/ifconfig iirc |
| 13:53.05 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:53.15 | Ace2016 | how do i use ls on a ftp address? |
| 13:53.24 | Ace2016 | i tried ls ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/960/final/en/i386/ but it failed :( |
| 13:53.41 | euzao | esds, but I want to keep it after shutdown, god damnit |
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| 13:53.51 | euzao | I know how to use those applications |
| 13:53.57 | euzao | I just want that automatic! |
| 13:54.07 | esds | euzao: i c, some startup script then? |
| 13:54.28 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: ls as in list? |
| 13:54.31 | stew | enouf: i don't know, but i'd think that the udev stuff would run first and not be affected by the later change of mac |
| 13:54.36 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 13:54.40 | Ace2016 | i want to see the directory content |
| 13:54.43 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: you usually dont use ls until you are inside the site |
| 13:54.57 | enouf | stew: you brought it up - so i'd thought i'd ask :-P .. but ok |
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| 13:56.27 | Ace2016 | LadyNikon: oh, so i need an actual ftp client? like filezilla? no simple command line way? |
| 13:56.36 | esds | Ace2016: ftp? |
| 13:56.44 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: no meaning that you have to be in the environment |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | Ace2016: or use a web browser |
| 13:56.52 | esds | as in the command, "ftp site.com" |
| 13:57.09 | LadyNikon | esds: no Ace2016 wants to ls while ftping |
| 13:57.19 | Ace2016 | ok lets see |
| 13:57.19 | LadyNikon | esds: but Ace2016 has it backwards |
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| 13:57.43 | esds | LadyNikon: heh, well he said that he wants the directory content, so ftp -> dir |
| 13:57.45 | esds | ls, whatever |
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| 13:58.30 | Ace2016 | so how do i list the contents? |
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| 13:58.44 | LadyNikon | esds: true. but you have to be already ftp'd into the site in the command line |
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| 13:58.52 | esds | LadyNikon: yep |
| 13:59.12 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: see we agree :) |
| 13:59.38 | Ace2016 | meh, i used lynx |
| 13:59.58 | esds | if you use "ftp", ftp -> cd DIRECTORYPATH -> dir/ls |
| 14:00.47 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: i used linux for awhile.. its not until you wanna do something.. that you either forget.. or don't know ;) |
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| 14:01.33 | abrotman | Ace2016: either use a web browser .. or a real ftp client |
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| 14:01.38 | LadyNikon | ok time to go driving. |
| 14:01.40 | LadyNikon | latah all |
| 14:01.47 | Ace2016 | ftp> what do i do at this prompt? |
| 14:03.36 | abrotman | did you login yet? |
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| 14:03.37 | LadyNikon | Ace2016: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html#toc1 |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | Ace2016: why are you worried about installing opera if you're using CLI ? |
| 14:04.57 | Ace2016 | for when i break my system and i have to rescue it by downloading debs from the repos directly and i need to be able to copy and paste stuff in the command line, is that even possible? no one ever mentioned that possibility before so just wondered |
| 14:05.13 | amphi | Ace2016: gpm and/or screen |
| 14:05.14 | Ace2016 | copy and paste would be nice in the tty windows, saves me from having to write stuff down |
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| 14:06.39 | Ace2016 | but the native tty window doesn't have it? the one you get at bootup? |
| 14:06.57 | \amethyst | Ace2016: you have to run gpm to get mouse copy/paste there |
| 14:07.09 | \amethyst | Ace2016: or screen for keyboard copy/paste (among other things) |
| 14:07.51 | Ace2016 | seems like something thats cool to have, a mouse cursor controlled by scroll lock and the arrow keys with the winflag or right click menu or tab buttons acting as right click menu, or even alt+c and alt+v for copy/paste |
| 14:07.51 | \amethyst | Ace2016: assuming you mean the full-screen text mode terminals and not terminals inside the GUI |
| 14:08.17 | \amethyst | Ace2016: in general it's drag to select, middle click to paste the selection |
| 14:08.21 | Ace2016 | i mean tty windows, the places i could get stuck without Xorg |
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| 14:08.43 | Ace2016 | so it works like X's autocopy but for the command line? with the mouse? |
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| 14:08.46 | \amethyst | Ace2016: okay, you mean what I thought you did. Don't use "window" to describe that, or you'll confuse people |
| 14:08.59 | \amethyst | Ace2016: yes, with gpm |
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| 14:09.15 | Ace2016 | tty console? |
| 14:09.17 | Ace2016 | or tty screen? |
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| 14:09.33 | Ace2016 | tty what? not comfortable with using tty on its own, need a second word |
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| 14:09.53 | \amethyst | Ace2016: just "VT" is common in Linux |
| 14:10.22 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 14:10.24 | \amethyst | Ace2016: or text console or something like that. "tty console" is fine, I think |
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| 14:11.37 | tinctorius | Why have all the Changelogs disappeared from packages.debian.org? |
| 14:11.38 | enouf | replaces everyone's /dev/ttyX with /dev/pts :-P |
| 14:11.43 | tinctorius | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/ |
| 14:11.52 | enouf | moved? |
| 14:11.53 | tinctorius | every directory in pool is empty |
| 14:11.57 | tinctorius | where to? |
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| 14:12.15 | enouf | .me shrugs |
| 14:12.22 | enouf | *shrugs* |
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| 14:12.38 | tinctorius | package pages still refer to /changelogs/pool/<prefix>/<source>/changelog |
| 14:12.42 | Ace2016 | Maybe find a mirror to it |
| 14:12.46 | tinctorius | hmz |
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| 14:12.49 | enouf | Eaxch pkg page has a link to their own changelog though |
| 14:13.03 | liable | aptitude changelog broken for anyone else? |
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| 14:13.31 | tinctorius | True, but http://packages.debian.org/lenny/cups-bsd refs to /changelogs/pool/c/cups/cups_1.3.8-1lenny1/changelog |
| 14:13.39 | tinctorius | while /changelogs/pool/c is an empty directory |
| 14:13.46 | enouf | oh right, i think i recall finding a missing changelog link from the dev pages too |
| 14:13.56 | stew | all of them are missing |
| 14:14.02 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/ is empty |
| 14:14.27 | tinctorius | Actually, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/* are empty |
| 14:14.28 | liable | meh |
| 14:14.33 | tinctorius | ;) |
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| 14:15.53 | enouf | patiently drums thumbs on liable's desk awaiting explanation :-P |
| 14:16.05 | liable | heh |
| 14:16.20 | liable | pulls a few hairs out trying to do some work |
| 14:17.07 | tinctorius | I just want to find out what happened in texlive. |
| 14:17.10 | enouf | tries hard to {re}conjure up the hunger pains that he once had prior to conversing with certain people this morning |
| 14:17.55 | tinctorius | I have to redownload all packages and rerun mktexlsr for every one of them... |
| 14:18.15 | tinctorius | ... while I suspect that actually only a very small thing in the source package changed. |
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| 14:19.52 | jelly-home | who stole the changelogses? |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | pdo has not been well |
| 14:20.08 | jelly-home | !blame abrotman |
| 14:20.08 | dpkg | blames Defty and abrotman for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 14:20.50 | tinctorius | and oh, I could just have checked /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz >_< |
| 14:21.02 | tinctorius | doesn't know that much about /usr/share/doc, and generally avoids it. |
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| 14:22.21 | abrotman | yeah .. great plan |
| 14:23.10 | liable | OMG the changelogs are there!?!? |
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| 14:23.58 | tinctorius | still, people might want to be able to read changelogs for unselected packages |
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| 14:24.28 | steampunkey | hey peeps. i'v got a "fresh potato". but screem (html ide) keeps crashing.this is the err msg: http://paste.debian.net/19485/ . Anyone? |
| 14:24.39 | jaalto | In GNU Makefile, what 'ifeq' test can be used if VALUE > 1 |
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| 14:26.03 | NinjaMan1 | hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry |
| 14:26.18 | NinjaMan1 | does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up? |
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| 14:27.35 | steampunkey | NinjaMan, no |
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| 14:28.10 | NinjaMan | ok thanks for the reply steampunkey |
| 14:28.32 | LjL | how do i tell /e/n/interfaces to provide dhcp service on a given interface? |
| 14:29.19 | NinjaMan | LjL : iface ethX inet dhcp |
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| 14:29.31 | manro | http://kukaj.php5.sk/ http://kukaj.php5.sk/ http://kukaj.php5.sk/ http://kukaj.php5.sk/ |
| 14:29.32 | LjL | NinjaMan: doesn't that just tell it to *expect* dhcp service? |
| 14:29.33 | cahoot | *provde dhcp* ? |
| 14:29.40 | peppe | "to provide dhcp service" or "to configure a given interface with dhcp"? |
| 14:29.44 | LjL | !ops | manro |
| 14:29.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ljl complains about: | manro |
| 14:29.57 | LjL | what i said - provide dhcp service |
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| 14:30.12 | cahoot | isn't that more of a server setting? |
| 14:30.13 | NinjaMan | LjL: sorry your right, you need to put a stanza into /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 14:30.22 | LjL | cahoot: and mine is indeed a server |
| 14:30.24 | peppe | LjL: so you have to configure dhcpd, not interfaces(5) |
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| 14:31.29 | LjL | NinjaMan: i don't have that file, but i suppose that would be because i don't have the daemon installed. peppe, well, i didn't really know what i should configure, but i figured interfaces would need to at least know about it |
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| 14:31.33 | peppe | if you want dhcp3-server to listen only on given interfaces, look at /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 14:31.42 | peppe | LjL: so wait a second |
| 14:31.48 | NinjaMan | LjL: yes you have to install the dhcp3-server |
| 14:32.08 | peppe | do you want to configure a dhcp server, or just configure a network interface using dhcp? in the first case, install dhcp3-server |
| 14:32.30 | LjL | i want a dhcp server, but i want it to only care about one interface, because i'm fine with the other interfaces being handled statically |
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| 14:32.46 | peppe | LjL: a dhcp server doesn't handle interfaces! |
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| 14:33.04 | Tordek | hey |
| 14:33.18 | LjL | ok peppe, then let's say, the client that connects to that interface |
| 14:33.32 | NinjaMan | LjL: I think you are confusing some things here |
| 14:33.37 | Tordek | for x86-64 I have to download the i386 images, right? |
| 14:33.46 | peppe | it configures interfaces of its clients, you should think things through :) |
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| 14:34.04 | peppe | Tordek: if you want to run it as a 32bit system, yes |
| 14:34.07 | NinjaMan | LjL: you can only run a dhcp service on an interface with an address |
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| 14:34.22 | Tordek | peppe: then what do I need? |
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| 14:34.32 | LjL | anyway dhcp3-server, on install, complains that "dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth4 (192.168.0.1)." (and same for other interfaces i have, but weirdly not all), so i guess it cares about the interfaces |
| 14:34.42 | LjL | NinjaMan, of course my interface has an address |
| 14:34.48 | NinjaMan | LjL: it then provides addresses to clients connected to the server |
| 14:34.56 | LjL | yes, sure |
| 14:34.58 | peppe | Tordek: the i386 images are fine :) if you want to run it as a 64-bit system, you need a x86-64 (amd64) image |
| 14:35.03 | LjL | perhaps i should explain what my setup is like more detailedly? |
| 14:35.08 | enouf | install apt-listchanges on all involved |
| 14:35.12 | NinjaMan | LjL : ok |
| 14:35.13 | peppe | LjL: maybe your network configuration is wrong |
| 14:35.20 | Tordek | peppe: yeah, I want a 64b, thanks |
| 14:35.25 | LjL | peppe: maybe, but why do you say that? |
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| 14:36.03 | peppe | LjL: I don't know! paste your interfaces(5) file, the output of ifconfig -a / route -n, your /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file and so on :) |
| 14:36.19 | peppe | and explain what your network setup is |
| 14:36.28 | peppe | and what you need to do |
| 14:36.35 | pablo | hi, someone knows if a display manager needs pam authentication? |
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| 14:36.45 | LjL | so anyway, i have 5 interfaces. eth0 is connected to my ISP, and gets its address from my ISP's DHCP server. eth1-3 go to my local network's clients, and are configured statically, and i'm fine with that. eth4 is a wireless interface that goes to an eeepc client, and i'd like that one to provide DHCP service to the eeepc, because it's network management doesn't appear to like static setups |
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| 14:37.11 | LjL | peppe: i think i explained what i need to do - provide dhcp service to the client connected to a given interface (eth4 specifically) |
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| 14:37.47 | peppe | LjL: oh! fine! configure eth4 with a static IP address, install the dhcp server, and configure it in /etc/default/ to serve only on eth4 |
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| 14:38.28 | peppe | then configure it properly in dhcpd.conf , restart it, and you're done |
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| 14:39.03 | LjL | peppe: i suppose i should also remove the currently existing "pointopoint" entry in interfaces(5), right? and put nothing in its place |
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| 14:40.17 | peppe | it isn't a point to point connection, put just iface eth4 inet static \n address ... \n netmask ... |
| 14:40.27 | LjL | fine |
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| 14:41.49 | ukatan | hi, I was wondering how to install muine on lenny |
| 14:42.01 | ukatan | I get apt errors if I just do apt-get install muine |
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| 14:42.10 | ukatan | specific to that package, too |
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| 14:42.59 | rgr | anyone here use mkid/gnus id-utils. I kicked off a mkid for my home directory 10 hours ago and it still working! I hope it notices recursive directory links? |
| 14:43.26 | NinjaMan | LjL: I don't think you can restrict the dhcp-server to a specific interface - except via iptables |
| 14:43.49 | peppe | NinjaMan: actually you can, /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
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| 14:44.17 | LjL | well, anyway as long as it doesn't interfere with the other interfaces that are configured statically, it doesn't really matter too much if it listens on them |
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| 14:44.36 | NinjaMan | peppe: wow - thanks. I live and learn! |
| 14:44.48 | peppe | or man dhcpd3 :) |
| 14:45.11 | NinjaMan | peppe: when I originally set this dhcp server many moons ago - it was not possible |
| 14:45.27 | NinjaMan | peppe: infact /etc/default/ did not even exist - LOL |
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| 14:45.58 | jelly-home | NinjaMan: that's one weird debian system right there |
| 14:46.03 | pablo | hi, i am using mutt with an imap account. the only way to autologin without asking the password of my account is to write my password on the .muttrc or is there any other way? |
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| 14:46.26 | NinjaMan | jelly-home: what do you mean? |
| 14:46.28 | simonrvn | rgr: what is it? |
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| 14:46.47 | jelly-home | NinjaMan: not having /etc/default |
| 14:47.08 | peppe | wow, pablo just did the fastest "question & /part" I've ever seen |
| 14:47.24 | NinjaMan | jelly-home: I'm talking about in the past. My system has it now. but I remember when the scheme was not used in debian |
| 14:47.33 | rgr | simonrvn: What is what? id-utils? Google has it. http://www.gnu.org/software/idutils/ |
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| 14:47.44 | peppe | NinjaMan: "a long long time ago, I can still remember..." :-P |
| 14:48.03 | jelly-home | NinjaMan: oh... init scripts were conffiles then, one put stuff in there |
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| 14:48.30 | NinjaMan | jelly-home / peppe : yes :D |
| 14:48.35 | jelly-home | NinjaMan: much fun at upgrade time |
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| 14:48.45 | simonrvn | rgr: oh, neat |
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| 14:49.07 | rgr | pablo: does mutt not have an authinfo feature? |
| 14:51.15 | LjL | peppe, NinjaMan: ok, after some fiddling with my awkward bridged setup, i got things to ping, thanks |
| 14:53.17 | NinjaMan | LjL: cool |
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| 14:54.22 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:54.52 | jeffrin | is there any command to find out which library a datatype belongs |
| 14:55.05 | jeffrin | for example bool_t |
| 14:55.08 | peppe | jeffrin: hm? what? |
| 14:55.39 | jeffrin | i want to know which library provides bool_t |
| 14:55.59 | peppe | jeffrin: maybe many, or do you want actually to know which file you've to include? |
| 14:56.38 | jeffrin | i want to know which library i should install to get that data type |
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| 14:57.48 | jeffrin | peppe : tell me which file i have to include |
| 14:57.54 | LimCore | hi, anyone with Intel gfx card (laptop) can help me to confirm a problem with intel driver? I found it orginally on my ubuntu box so I reported it there (bug I can do debian and/or upstream bug as well, after confirmation, and testing on other boxes) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/285298 any comments welcomed |
| 14:58.12 | cads | what kinds of challenges need to be overcome in order to port debian to a completely new kernel? Specifically, I am wondering about using deb packages in minix or dragonflyBSD, or in general getting debian working on some of the newer reasearchy microkernels that are out there |
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| 14:58.41 | peppe | jeffrin: I *never* heard about a "bool_t" datatype for boolean values :) |
| 14:58.50 | asg | cads: you might consult the kFreeBSD folks who have done the same thing |
| 14:59.10 | asg | cads: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 14:59.32 | LimCore | cads: #nexenta is port of ubuntu to OpenSolaris kernel; Should be similar effort for Ubuntu |
| 14:59.39 | LimCore | s/for Ubuntu/for Debian |
| 15:00.16 | LimCore | jelly-home: hi :) do you still use intel gfx? perhaps you want to help me debug/confirm the bug to which I linked above |
| 15:00.24 | peppe | jeffrin: and "bool_t" is so generic that it could be defined by many many libraries. I'm pretty sure it's not a "standard" boolean type of many languages. if you want to look for more specific datatypes (f.i. "QPainter") you can use google and find which library defines them |
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| 15:01.39 | oklinux | what is a crisp font to use in iceweasel browser ? |
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| 15:02.04 | et | depends on your environment, on your display, ... |
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| 15:02.25 | oklinux | lcd 1024x768 24 bit 19 lcd |
| 15:02.27 | simonrvn | potato chips work well for that extra crispness |
| 15:02.28 | LimCore | oklinux: dunno about browser, but there are nice fonts I love: Terminus is one.. and second one.. I think it is actually called "crisp" not sure if its package or did I got it from net, google |
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| 15:02.45 | asg | simonrvn: plain or salt-n-vinegar? |
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| 15:02.57 | Greger | Hi |
| 15:02.59 | simonrvn | salt-n-vinegar preferred |
| 15:03.04 | asg | capital |
| 15:03.29 | jeffrin | peppe : okies |
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| 15:04.12 | jelly-home | LimCore: huh, there's a package for a scene demo |
| 15:04.13 | Greger | 3D in SSH X11? |
| 15:04.32 | peppe | what was that?! |
| 15:05.33 | LimCore | jelly-home: yea; well, amoeba is nice for testing gfx overall. |
| 15:05.52 | haxi | excuse me, is a "new" debian stable release planned? (I mean new version, not update) |
| 15:06.26 | peppe | haxi: it's *always* planned :) |
| 15:06.37 | simonrvn | peppe: that was the snowstorm i ordered yesterday, was supposed to hit here, but i guess it missed and hit you... :( |
| 15:06.49 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 15:06.49 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:06.51 | oklinux | what is the different between apt and apptitude ? |
| 15:07.12 | peppe | simonrvn: :P |
| 15:07.28 | haxi | ok guys! |
| 15:07.34 | NinjaMan | oklinux - aptitude is an ncurses front end to apt |
| 15:08.01 | et | you don't have to use the curses interface |
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| 15:08.12 | peppe | simonrvn: no, things like "join -> sudden question «3D in SSH X11?» -> part" always make me think |
| 15:08.15 | simonrvn | NinjaMan: it is not |
| 15:08.34 | jelly-home | LimCore: eh, I see breakage/artifacts with just two instances |
| 15:08.40 | NinjaMan | LOL ok - that;s how I use it ;) - I'll be quiet now |
| 15:08.48 | simonrvn | apt-get is CLI only, aptitude resembles dselect more, and has a CLI interface also |
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| 15:09.35 | NinjaMan | ... I'm still fairly certain it uses apt in the back-end |
| 15:09.40 | simonrvn | aptitude isn't a frontend to anything, except maybe /usr/lib/apt/methods/* - just like synaptic, dselect, apt-get, .... |
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| 15:09.48 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:10.25 | NinjaMan | simonrvn - you mean it is a complete re-implementation of apt-get ? |
| 15:10.26 | LimCore | jelly-home: me too, Im still testing |
| 15:10.45 | DexterF | I need a lightweight install with only X and an xterm in it. what's the least I need to install, and is there such a session in any display manager? |
| 15:10.46 | LimCore | jelly-home: could you be so nice and confirm my bug report or commetn? or just give me here your hardware description |
| 15:11.07 | simonrvn | it uses libapt, is what i'm saying. look at the deps. |
| 15:11.29 | jelly-home | LimCore: I can't. Different card, different distro, different arch... this one is a i915GM |
| 15:11.29 | NinjaMan | simonrvn: ok |
| 15:11.33 | simonrvn | but the dep management, etc., is all its own |
| 15:12.14 | simonrvn | NinjaMan: in a technical way, you're not completely wrong, it's a bit simplistic to say it's a frontend, because that's inaccurate. |
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| 15:12.42 | simonrvn | but its* |
| 15:12.44 | LimCore | jelly-home: what is dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel and dpkg -l xorg |
| 15:12.48 | LimCore | and kerne; |
| 15:12.52 | simonrvn | er it's even |
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| 15:13.21 | jelly-home | LimCore: and running xserver-xorg-video-intel, libgl1-mesa-dri etc from experimental ;-) |
| 15:13.43 | simonrvn | (this is why i didn't want to say anything, i end up writing a paragraph) |
| 15:14.10 | jelly-home | LimCore: http://paste.debian.net/19492/ |
| 15:14.44 | simonrvn | peppe: 3d via sshx is a pita |
| 15:15.12 | jelly-home | simonrvn: commercial X servers have had it for a while |
| 15:15.21 | LimCore | thanks jelly-home I will add this info |
| 15:15.45 | simonrvn | talk about bandwidth sucking |
| 15:15.46 | LimCore | 32 or 64 bit? uname - a ? |
| 15:15.47 | jelly-home | I remember eXceed 7 having remote 'GL capabilities, that's like 2002-2004 |
| 15:16.30 | jelly-home | LimCore: don't add it, there are too many differences. |
| 15:17.44 | jelly-home | hates those ubuntu bug report messages with users chiming in like "hey, I've seen this too" then describing a different issue with somewhat similar symptoms |
| 15:18.13 | simonrvn | useless for that particular bug |
| 15:19.10 | jelly-home | LimCore: i386, Linux kanta-linux 2.6.26 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jul 20 16:27:17 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:19.48 | LimCore | jelly-home: huh? the opposite. The fact it happens on very remote setup, but causing same issues means it is 1) upstream bug 2) old one |
| 15:20.13 | jelly-home | LimCore: the issues are not the same. |
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| 15:20.37 | jelly-home | glitches in 3d are far from a definite unique symptom |
| 15:20.40 | LimCore | jelly-home: did you got a screen distortion as mine? (but probably much smaller with just 2) |
| 15:20.57 | jelly-home | what screen distortion? |
| 15:21.17 | LimCore | jelly-home: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18654385/bug_ubuntu8.10_intell_gfx.jpg |
| 15:21.25 | jelly-home | negative |
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| 15:21.50 | jelly-home | just bugs in gl-driven windows |
| 15:21.53 | LimCore | did you got smaller random parts (say 20x20 pixel) popping up inside the window of animation? |
| 15:22.04 | pablo | hi, someone knows if the display managers need pam authentication? |
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| 15:22.41 | LimCore | jelly-home: yes, you get small distortrions for 2 instances, luch 10 and you will get full-screen, and then X will reset (watch out, computer can freeze/crash too) |
| 15:22.42 | peppe | pablo: what do you mean by that? |
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| 15:22.55 | jelly-home | LimCore: no, just pieces of static graphic leftovers and broken textures |
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| 15:23.46 | simonrvn | pablo: yes, they do auth via pam |
| 15:23.58 | pablo | simonrvn: ok thanks |
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| 15:24.36 | LimCore | jelly-home: yes, exactly. This if for 2. And what if you run 10 ? |
| 15:26.20 | jelly-home | LimCore: eh, my machine crawls with 6 |
| 15:26.53 | jelly-home | LimCore: I've nice +18 them to be able to use irc |
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| 15:27.18 | Facedown | what do i do with a .deb file? extract it? or is there some one liner i could do? |
| 15:27.49 | jelly-home | Facedown: what is it supposed to be? |
| 15:28.01 | Facedown | im trying to install git |
| 15:28.02 | LimCore | jelly-home: but no full screen static with even 10? |
| 15:28.13 | Facedown | i got the stable from backports via http , the .deb file |
| 15:29.00 | jelly-home | Facedown: use apt to install thoe. |
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| 15:29.09 | Facedown | but that doesnt get the stable version |
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| 15:29.12 | Facedown | it gets the unstable |
| 15:29.15 | Facedown | from debian.org |
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| 15:30.02 | simonrvn | um |
| 15:30.18 | DexterF | 7join #vmware |
| 15:30.21 | DexterF | argh |
| 15:30.47 | miksuh | doesn anyone know how you can tell Lenny installer (netinst cd) that you want to install xfce instead of gnome? Etch installer did let you give options like "tasks=xfce-desktop" |
| 15:31.08 | miksuh | Lenny installer has that nice new menu, but there is no prompt for the options anymore |
| 15:31.16 | simonrvn | miksuh: there isn't any? |
| 15:31.31 | miksuh | atleast i can't find any |
| 15:31.44 | simonrvn | you know, you could have told me there wasn't any, instead of asking again here. |
| 15:32.00 | miksuh | :P |
| 15:32.01 | miksuh | idiot |
| 15:32.27 | miksuh | sure i can ask on another irc channel if someone knows |
| 15:32.38 | simonrvn | the desktop stuff is done via tasksel anyway. you can always unselect everything from tasksel and install it yourself, using the xfce4 metapackage |
| 15:32.57 | miksuh | I know i have used debian since 1998 |
| 15:33.02 | simonrvn | and calling me an idiot is not going to get you more help |
| 15:33.09 | ComradeHaz | Hi guys, you'll have to forgive me for very bad description to follow. I need someone to remind me what it is I need to change to stop errors about networking connections beingspammed on the command line when I do a fresh install of Debian. It seems to happen every time and I always have to ask my friend how to stop it. However, he's not about, so "HEELP!" |
| 15:33.11 | miksuh | i just want to know how to tell installer what desktop you want to install |
| 15:33.18 | miksuh | it was so easy with etch |
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| 15:33.42 | simonrvn | if you've used debian since '98, you'd know that |
| 15:33.53 | greggman | what's a better alternative than a router PPPoE in debian? |
| 15:33.56 | miksuh | you sjust don't understand what I asked |
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| 15:34.25 | trifler | Erm how do you chmod a hole folder and all it's subfolders and files? I've tried chmod -R 750 folder but I get operation not supported |
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| 15:34.43 | jelly-home | LimCore: 10-12 of "nice -n +18 amoeba -windowed -nosound" and no full-screen breakage |
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| 15:35.13 | simonrvn | trifler: um, fat32 fs or something? because fses like that don't support that. |
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| 15:35.23 | trifler | simonrvn: true it's on a ntfs disk |
| 15:35.29 | LimCore | jelly-home: please try just 6 instances, but no nice, and leave it for 30 seconds. I belive the problem is related to too big load on machine |
| 15:36.06 | deryl | ok, running lenny. when doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade most of the openoffice packages are being held back. how do I find out why? when I do a dpkg -l | grep openoffice I show ii as their flags. am I missing something? |
| 15:36.09 | simonrvn | you can do that to the mountpoint, but not on the fs itself |
| 15:36.22 | Facedown | how can i search for a process using aptitude and kill -9 {id} it? |
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| 15:36.42 | deryl | ps aux | grep aptitude or pidof aptitude |
| 15:36.44 | oklinux | do you guy think debian is more stable then xubuntu ? |
| 15:36.44 | LimCore | Facedown: aptitude?? no. search using ps aux |
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| 15:37.27 | deryl | LimCore - ahh I took that as he was looking FOR the pid OF aptitude |
| 15:37.37 | trifler | Any ideas on how I could transfer the files from my debian to my windows computer. all the files are owned by root as it is now. And I can't chmod em :S |
| 15:37.42 | simonrvn | miksuh: i do understand the q., and there probably is a way, but i don't know it. i just know of the way i described above. don't bother replying. |
| 15:38.05 | izzyb | I'm wanting to run the latest virt-manager, but the current version in the repositories is outdated. I was planning on removing the debian version and installing from source, but apt-get remove virt-manager flags a bunch of packages as no longer being needed. It says I need to apt-get autoremove to remove them, but since they're likely needed by the source install, I don't want them to be autoremoved if I need to autoremove in the futu |
| 15:38.05 | izzyb | re. What's the best way around this problem? |
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| 15:39.22 | jelly-home | LimCore: nope |
| 15:39.32 | LimCore | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 15:40.56 | blubberdiblub | trifler, just transfer them. in windows, if you don't like the (probably nonexistent or simply inherited) acl settings, just change them |
| 15:41.29 | trifler | blubberdiblub: A temp changed my sshd to allow root login, so it works just terribly slow. |
| 15:41.47 | miksuh | simonrvn: yeah but i'm not interested about thiose ways of doing it |
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| 15:42.04 | miksuh | if I would I would ask about it |
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| 15:42.52 | jelly-home | miksuh: installer -> #debian-boot, irc.debian.org |
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| 15:43.26 | blubberdiblub | trifler, you could have set up your /etc/fstab to allow user mounting of the fs. but that doesn't have anything to do with how good it is performing |
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| 15:43.52 | kcyber | exit |
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| 15:44.11 | trifler | blubberdiblub: Well this is just a temp thing. to be able to move some files before i format the disk and use it for storage on my server. |
| 15:44.13 | Facedown | damn, looks like i installed git from aptitude and its the old version, 1.4.4.4 .. how can i upgrade it to 1.5x? |
| 15:44.47 | deryl | my question was answered. please continue to ignore it |
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| 15:45.01 | jelly-home | Facedown: pastebin apt-cache policy git; dpkg -l libc6 git |tail -2 |
| 15:45.12 | Facedown | uh |
| 15:45.22 | trifler | blubberdiblub: To make the transfer less painful I just have to set up an ftpd ssh doesn't seem that fast :) |
| 15:45.29 | trifler | the question is just which one. |
| 15:45.31 | blubberdiblub | trifler: well, if your intent was only to backup that data, you should have put it into a tarball (maybe even gzipped or bzip2ed), so the permissions and uid/gid would've been preserved |
| 15:45.56 | trifler | blubberdiblub: hmm true. |
| 15:46.54 | trifler | What's a good ftpd? |
| 15:47.02 | NinjaMan | trifler: vsftpd |
| 15:47.10 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 15:48.00 | Facedown | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/qIWoIO53.html |
| 15:48.21 | Facedown | last 2 lines are dpkg command |
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| 15:52.33 | jelly-home | Facedown: you don't even have backports.org enabled? |
| 15:52.40 | Facedown | probably not.. |
| 15:52.40 | jelly-home | !tell Facedown +about bpo |
| 15:52.58 | jelly-home | !+tell Facedown -about bpo |
| 15:52.59 | dpkg | told Facedown about bpo. |
| 15:53.05 | jelly-home | darn syntax |
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| 15:53.38 | messed-up | Can anyone help me get my wifi up and running? i hate to boot to windows just to get net up. |
| 15:54.17 | cahoot | what wlan device? |
| 15:54.20 | messed-up | my card is a broadcom. it uses bcm43xx module |
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| 15:54.50 | messed-up | i tried following some guide a guy gave me here last night |
| 15:54.57 | cahoot | you have firmware in place? |
| 15:55.01 | jelly-home | Facedown: then you can do an "aptitude install git/etch-backports" |
| 15:55.06 | miksuh | I just found a way to give options to installer, but sure is not obvious |
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| 15:55.18 | jelly-home | miksuh: yay! what is it! |
| 15:55.26 | miksuh | you have to go to help screen then there is boot: prompt at the bottom of the screen %) |
| 15:55.27 | messed-up | cahoot well i cant get them to install |
| 15:55.43 | jelly-home | miksuh: um... just like it always was! |
| 15:55.51 | cahoot | debian doesn't offer a deb? |
| 15:56.03 | miksuh | jelly-home: etch installer did have it on main screen |
| 15:56.22 | miksuh | i never used it from help screen |
| 15:56.29 | jelly-home | some livecds have the prompt invisible, true |
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| 15:57.03 | messed-up | cahoot i tried to follow this guide http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#bcm43xx.2Cb43legacy.2Cb43.2Csoftmac.2C...thefullstory |
| 15:57.10 | jelly-home | miksuh: you could argue it's a usability regression and file a bug report |
| 15:57.26 | messed-up | the thing is. i need to compile fwcutter |
| 15:57.38 | messed-up | but make only spits out error |
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| 15:58.16 | messed-up | So. im back in windows :( |
| 15:58.17 | cahoot | messed-up: what version of bcm ? |
| 15:58.28 | cahoot | messed-up: i e what chip |
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| 15:58.59 | messed-up | wait a sec. and i\ll see if i can figure out. i installled ext2 for win . |
| 15:59.08 | messed-up | going to look in log |
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| 16:03.26 | messed-up | cahoot all i see in log is bcm43xx: Chip ID 0x4306, rev 0x2 |
| 16:03.26 | oklinux | does Cindy Margolis really use debian ? http://www.linuxwallpapers.org/linux/slides/Linux_wall06.html |
| 16:03.26 | messed-up | so i guess its 4306 |
| 16:03.35 | messed-up | a old card |
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| 16:03.58 | jelly-home | oklinux: interesting support question! |
| 16:04.01 | zleap | hello |
| 16:05.16 | messed-up | cahoot i found this. b43-fwcutter_011-1~etchnhalf.2_i386.deb but that just make it more stupid. Cos when i install it,, it want to go online and fetch the firmware |
| 16:05.25 | cahoot | messed-up: whate version of kernel? |
| 16:05.44 | messed-up | 2.6.18-6-486 it is.. stock kernel |
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| 16:06.55 | cahoot | messed-up: seems that card is supported ny b43 present in recent kernels but you still would need fw - and upgrading kernel might be more than you ask for |
| 16:08.23 | messed-up | yes. from what i read. i can use either b43, b43legacy or bcm43xx |
| 16:09.00 | messed-up | b43 the newestone. but i can get fwcutter installed |
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| 16:09.18 | zleap | hi |
| 16:09.27 | zleap | i am still having issues with my net connection |
| 16:09.28 | miksuh | jelly-home: yep, maybe i will. i think it would be good idea if installed menu would have new menu entry in tha advanced options section. That menu entry would let you enter those installer options |
| 16:09.38 | cahoot | messed-up: i e you need a working net connection to make you net connection work |
| 16:09.57 | miksuh | or something lie that |
| 16:09.59 | zleap | well i upgraded to lenny |
| 16:10.00 | miksuh | like |
| 16:10.11 | zleap | and my connection is broke on that box |
| 16:10.12 | miksuh | installer menu |
| 16:10.17 | miksuh | damn typos |
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| 16:10.26 | messed-up | cahoot thats stupid |
| 16:10.48 | zleap | well i can't do things like apt-get update |
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| 16:10.59 | zleap | which would probably fix it |
| 16:11.16 | messed-up | cahoot so how can i solve my problem |
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| 16:13.04 | zleap | if i do cd etc |
| 16:13.11 | zleap | then do joe resolv.conf |
| 16:13.34 | zleap | and some text (ip addresses) and then save i get error opening file, and it won't save, this is as root |
| 16:13.46 | messed-up | cahoot i also tried with a file i found bcm43xx-0.3.2-offline.tar.gz .. installing this then my nic finds other wifi net. but it wount connect to them,. |
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| 16:15.18 | messed-up | im gonna go cry |
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| 16:17.46 | abrotman | messbah |
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| 16:17.57 | oklinux | what is a upgrade testing ? |
| 16:18.04 | trifler | In vsftpd is root a "local machine user" ? |
| 16:18.05 | abrotman | !tell oklinux about etch->lenny |
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| 16:18.20 | abrotman | trifler: don't ftp as root |
| 16:18.26 | zleap | i am running lenny. upgraded as root |
| 16:18.29 | trifler | abrotman: Kinda have to :S |
| 16:18.54 | trifler | just this once though. |
| 16:18.54 | abrotman | trifler: no .. you don't |
| 16:19.08 | trifler | abrotman: I can't chmod the files on the ntfs drive i mounted :S |
| 16:19.27 | abrotman | ntfs doesn't have unix permissions |
| 16:20.01 | trifler | abrotman: Hurm then can I mount the drive as a user? |
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| 16:20.24 | abrotman | sure |
| 16:20.51 | ComradeHaz | use ntfs tools and set disk lables up |
| 16:20.58 | ComradeHaz | then something like: |
| 16:21.03 | ComradeHaz | /dev/disk/by-label/IcyBox /mnt/IcyBox ntfs-3g rw,user,defaults,utf8,nosuid,nodev,locale=en_GB.UTF-8,auto 0 0 |
| 16:21.22 | simonrvn | labels |
| 16:21.33 | ComradeHaz | typo ;) |
| 16:22.19 | trifler | this is so over my skills :S |
| 16:22.24 | ComradeHaz | ah |
| 16:22.25 | ComradeHaz | trivial |
| 16:22.27 | trifler | "mount: onlu root can do that" |
| 16:22.32 | ComradeHaz | ah, |
| 16:22.40 | ComradeHaz | you need ntfs-3g and ntfstools |
| 16:22.45 | maligor | Out of horse error? |
| 16:23.28 | trifler | ComradeHaz: Nah abrotman made it possible with what I got now. Just then I was root, now I want to root it as me. but how? :P |
| 16:23.29 | ComradeHaz | ntfsprogs, sorry |
| 16:23.42 | trifler | mount it as me* |
| 16:23.52 | ComradeHaz | well, the above is trivial, I promise |
| 16:23.56 | ComradeHaz | I'm pretty noob too |
| 16:24.24 | trifler | ComradeHaz: looks like something you put in fstab? |
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| 16:24.39 | ComradeHaz | yer, it is |
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| 16:25.01 | ComradeHaz | then you can just do sudo mount -a |
| 16:25.09 | ComradeHaz | and it'll sort itselflf out |
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| 16:25.23 | abrotman | assuming you have sudo, and you've set it up in your fstab |
| 16:25.24 | trifler | i dont use sudo. |
| 16:25.32 | ComradeHaz | whatever |
| 16:25.41 | ComradeHaz | as root |
| 16:25.49 | ComradeHaz | meh |
| 16:25.55 | ComradeHaz | gets back to his own problems |
| 16:26.06 | betz | Hey everyone. I just installed debian, and restarted, but now i come in a command line, nothing grapical. I'm a total noob, what have i done wrong/what to about it? |
| 16:26.29 | ComradeHaz | nvidia graphics card? |
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| 16:26.55 | ComradeHaz | betz? nvidia graphics card? |
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| 16:28.56 | abrotman | betz: you have to install the GUI .. it's not installed by default |
| 16:29.23 | ComradeHaz | surely heäd have ticked destop computer_ |
| 16:29.33 | abrotman | why surely? |
| 16:29.39 | abrotman | i never do |
| 16:29.52 | ComradeHaz | me neither, but I bet most n00s would |
| 16:29.55 | trifler | once I've made a change to fstab how do I "restart" it? |
| 16:30.01 | ComradeHaz | mount -a |
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| 16:30.24 | ross` | excuse me: is there something like DocumentRoot for vhosts in apache2 that allow you to link to http stuff |
| 16:30.54 | ross` | i want to make svn.azrule.net point too http://svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule |
| 16:30.55 | betz | ComradeHaz: yes |
| 16:31.13 | betz | abrotman: just did the graphical installation, everything standard |
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| 16:31.28 | ComradeHaz | and did you tell the installer you wanted a desktop environment? |
| 16:31.32 | abrotman | betz: which video driver did you choose ? |
| 16:31.45 | betz | ComradeHaz: no, think not |
| 16:31.47 | abrotman | ross`: DocumentRoot .. httpd.apache.org |
| 16:31.49 | ComradeHaz | ah, if everything standard he prob has no desktop env |
| 16:32.05 | ComradeHaz | what do you want, gnome or kde? |
| 16:32.08 | betz | So i restart everything, or can i install from command? |
| 16:32.08 | abrotman | betz: which GUI do you want? |
| 16:32.22 | esaym | How do I get audacious to use the same instance? Right now everytime I click a music file, it opens in a different instance of audacious |
| 16:32.23 | betz | kde |
| 16:32.29 | abrotman | betz: aptitude install kdm kde xorg |
| 16:32.40 | Eulex | ross`, you can just add another <Location> that has the same SVNPath |
| 16:32.41 | ComradeHaz | and nvidia-glx ;) |
| 16:32.41 | ross` | no abrotman i dont want to document root |
| 16:32.50 | ross` | no..... thats te thing tho |
| 16:32.53 | ross` | i don tknow what that location is |
| 16:32.54 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: which nvidia card does he have? |
| 16:33.00 | ross` | so i want to link to it http wise |
| 16:33.02 | simonrvn | most "n00bs" wouldn't dare touch tasksel |
| 16:33.03 | ComradeHaz | if I were you |
| 16:33.08 | ComradeHaz | does it matter? |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 16:33.14 | Eulex | ross`, look at mod_rewrite. |
| 16:33.14 | ComradeHaz | oh? |
| 16:33.16 | ComradeHaz | sorry |
| 16:33.19 | ComradeHaz | why? |
| 16:33.20 | maligor | simonrvn, does it bite? |
| 16:34.09 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: which cards does the nvidia driver in etch support? |
| 16:34.40 | ComradeHaz | I thought all, I'm clearly not that clued up ;) |
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| 16:35.23 | ComradeHaz | ok |
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| 16:35.27 | ComradeHaz | netinst cd time :O |
| 16:35.29 | simonrvn | more like assumptions |
| 16:35.36 | ComradeHaz | God I'm nervos about this |
| 16:35.42 | ross` | so your saying |
| 16:35.45 | ComradeHaz | I hope I've backed everything up :D |
| 16:35.51 | ross` | there is no way to point a sub domain at another http location |
| 16:35.56 | ross` | using a function in vhos |
| 16:35.58 | ross` | vhost* |
| 16:36.10 | abrotman | ross`: sure there is .. did you ask #apache ? |
| 16:36.19 | ross` | im banned for asking stupid questions =/ |
| 16:36.29 | ross` | im a noob so i dont understand this stuff |
| 16:36.34 | ross` | and my questions are sometimes seemlingly stupid |
| 16:36.35 | ross` | and simple |
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| 16:36.55 | LadyNikon | morning |
| 16:37.00 | ross` | abrotman: there is nothing that exists liek this in a vhost |
| 16:37.14 | ross` | ThisFunction http://google.com |
| 16:37.25 | abrotman | ross`: to point foo.domain.org at a different set of files than bar.domain.org ? |
| 16:37.30 | LadyNikon | ross`: i doubt you got banned for asking noob questions |
| 16:37.36 | ross` | LadyNikon: thumbs is a toughy |
| 16:37.49 | ross` | no |
| 16:37.54 | ross` | abrotman: no |
| 16:37.57 | simonrvn | samedi 18 octobre 2008, 12:37:57 (UTC-0400) |
| 16:38.00 | ross` | say the files are not hosted locally |
| 16:38.04 | ross` | say i want my domain lol.com |
| 16:38.07 | LadyNikon | i dunno what thumbs is |
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| 16:38.10 | ross` | to look exactly liek google.com |
| 16:38.14 | abrotman | LadyNikon: #apache op |
| 16:38.19 | ross` | is there a way to make that |
| 16:38.33 | abrotman | ross`: first of all .. that's a bad thing to do |
| 16:38.36 | ross` | yes but |
| 16:38.37 | ross` | can you |
| 16:38.53 | ross` | im not gonna do it to google im gonna make svn.azrule.net |
| 16:39.04 | abrotman | so do a redirect? |
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| 16:39.06 | ross` | point at svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule |
| 16:39.09 | ross` | how do i do a redirect |
| 16:39.24 | abrotman | this is the documents at httpd.apache.org |
| 16:39.44 | abrotman | or you can write a simple html/php file to do a page based redirect |
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| 16:40.08 | ross` | can yo uplease jsut tell me what to put in the vhost to make it redirect |
| 16:40.15 | ross` | >< i have no luck with the documentation for apache |
| 16:40.18 | ross` | its confusing for me |
| 16:40.44 | NinjaMan | hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry |
| 16:40.55 | NinjaMan | does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up? |
| 16:41.03 | maligor | page based redirects are a bad idea reallly |
| 16:41.16 | maligor | you should use a 301 |
| 16:41.28 | ross` | im sorry if they are a bad idea >< |
| 16:41.31 | ross` | i just want to do this simply |
| 16:41.34 | ross` | i just want it to work |
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| 16:41.49 | ross` | id rather not write a php script to do this |
| 16:41.55 | ross` | id rather jsut do it in the vhost file for the sub domains |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | ross`: this is why you got banned .. you need to go read .. which you seem pretty unwilling to do |
| 16:42.15 | ross` | abrotman: ill read i always read |
| 16:42.18 | LadyNikon | abrotman: oh |
| 16:42.19 | ross` | but it jdoesnt hjelp |
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| 16:42.28 | ross` | abrotman: can you give me the lin kthen? |
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| 16:42.36 | Blackhold | hello |
| 16:42.41 | Blackhold | could someone help me please? |
| 16:42.51 | Blackhold | I need the lib liblame0 to install a program |
| 16:43.02 | Blackhold | but it changed the name to libmp3lame |
| 16:43.03 | abrotman | ross`: i have |
| 16:43.10 | abrotman | !tell Blackhold about lame |
| 16:43.13 | JoeX | Hey all. Anyone know a good way to get CPU utilization from within a script? I'm trying top -b -n 1, but it always reports incorrect numbers on the first iteration. |
| 16:43.16 | LadyNikon | ross`: welcome to linux "just working" isnt always the option |
| 16:43.18 | NinjaMan | ross: try something like |
| 16:43.23 | LadyNikon | you have to do research to get some stuff to work |
| 16:43.25 | NinjaMan | ReWriteEngine on |
| 16:43.26 | ross` | no you havnt |
| 16:43.31 | ross` | LadyNikon: maybe i should use ubuntu |
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| 16:43.50 | esds | ross`: s/ubuntu/windows |
| 16:43.54 | LadyNikon | ross`: maybe .. but even with ubuntu somethings you need to research to get it working the way you want it to do |
| 16:43.55 | maligor | heh, ubuntu won't fix your apache |
| 16:44.01 | LadyNikon | its the linux way |
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| 16:44.04 | NinjaMan | ross: followed by a RewriteCond with the appropriate regex match |
| 16:44.27 | NinjaMan | and finish off with a RewriteRule |
| 16:44.28 | LadyNikon | ross`: i would go to windows then get yourself a project box |
| 16:44.32 | esds | ross`: linux is worth all the hassle, in the end when you get a hang of it you wont switch back to windows |
| 16:44.36 | LadyNikon | and play around with stuff |
| 16:44.43 | LadyNikon | and i never suggest windows |
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| 16:44.48 | esds | ross`: you'll maybe end up in windows sometimes when you want to play some new games :p |
| 16:45.23 | NinjaMan | ross: do you want me to work out the exact parameters of the command for you? |
| 16:45.45 | ross` | NinjaMan: that would be awesome |
| 16:45.47 | Eulex | ross`, this is _just_ as hard to do on ubuntu as on debian. did you read the documentation for mod_rewrite yet? |
| 16:45.49 | maligor | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect |
| 16:45.54 | ross` | yes i did Eulex |
| 16:45.58 | ross` | i read it and i kind of understand |
| 16:46.09 | maligor | I'm not sure why you'd use rewrite |
| 16:46.11 | NinjaMan | ross: what do you want to redirect and to where? |
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| 16:46.29 | Eulex | basially, redirect foo.com/(.*) to bar.com/baz/$1 |
| 16:46.54 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: thats not helping him learn |
| 16:46.59 | ross` | NinjaMan: i want to redirect http://svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule to http://svn.azrule.net i don't know the document root for the first oen which is why i want to http redirect |
| 16:47.15 | Eulex | maligor, ah, that's another possibility |
| 16:47.20 | maligor | ross`, just read the url I just posted |
| 16:47.22 | messed-up | so. how can i get net in my linux? im sick of rebooting to windows |
| 16:47.22 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: it gives him a start from which he can figure out how it works |
| 16:47.23 | maligor | it's not very difficult, heh |
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| 16:48.07 | ross` | the only problem is |
| 16:48.09 | maligor | 301:s are the best option in most cases imo anyway |
| 16:48.21 | ross` | i dont know the URL-path |
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| 16:48.32 | ross` | its generated with a python script |
| 16:48.43 | ross` | no idea where it is DocumentRoot wise |
| 16:48.52 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: no its not. He is gonna just use what you did. and move on to something else |
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| 16:49.14 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: I can't force him to learn - that is journey he has to take himself |
| 16:49.25 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: but I can alleviate some frustration |
| 16:49.32 | ross` | NinjaMan: LadyNikon im going to research the command he gives me and find out why it works |
| 16:49.32 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: its nice to hope.. but in just reading what he is saying.. he isnt gonna attempt to learn it.. he just want it " to work" |
| 16:49.59 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: yes but him figuring it out forces him to learn. |
| 16:50.03 | ross` | and NinjaMan hit the nail on the head, this is very stressful |
| 16:50.13 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: linux = frustration sometimes.. gotta deal with i |
| 16:50.15 | LadyNikon | it* |
| 16:50.31 | ross` | LadyNikon: i |
| 16:50.32 | maligor | LadyNikon, I never hit that |
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| 16:50.49 | ross` | i have spent about 6 hours between today and yesterday trying to get the whole viewvc thing to work |
| 16:50.53 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon - my years of training people tell me they can just as easily give up on it and never realise the benefit |
| 16:50.54 | ross` | its not like i havnt been learning |
| 16:51.10 | abrotman | ross`: you didn't even know where the documentation was |
| 16:51.18 | ross` | abrotman: not for this one |
| 16:51.30 | ross` | actually |
| 16:51.31 | ross` | yes i did |
| 16:51.40 | ross` | i googled redirect and it gave me mod_alias |
| 16:51.50 | ross` | it didnt give me mod_alias/#redirect tho |
| 16:51.50 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: then he doesnt want it done |
| 16:52.02 | LadyNikon | maligor: congrats to you |
| 16:52.07 | maligor | that's why it has index :P |
| 16:52.13 | LadyNikon | ross` isnt the first person to want to do something and has no idea. |
| 16:52.17 | ross` | LadyNikon: how does it help any of us to go out of your way for me to get a headache |
| 16:52.31 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: I hear what you are saying |
| 16:52.34 | abrotman | LadyNikon: bad enough to get banned from #apache ? |
| 16:52.37 | LadyNikon | had he came in here with a paste of what he did and asked for help is one thing |
| 16:52.52 | LadyNikon | no he just wants it done. its a help channel not a do it for you channel |
| 16:52.55 | abrotman | anyways .. he got what he needs to start reading .. can we move on? |
| 16:52.58 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: but it often doesn't pay dividends to be so black and white about things |
| 16:53.14 | ross` | LadyNikon: i've been trying lots of stuff in my vhost file |
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| 16:53.29 | ross` | LadyNikon: i've been tyring to figure out how to do this for awile before i came and asked you guys |
| 16:53.32 | simonrvn | some people's dividends suck right now |
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| 16:53.43 | NinjaMan | ... am I going to get banned from this channel for helping him? |
| 16:53.54 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: nope.. its your time wasted |
| 16:54.05 | ross` | LadyNikon: its your time wasted for going out of your way to make life harder for me |
| 16:54.08 | ross` | you dont gain anything out of it |
| 16:54.16 | LadyNikon | ross`: you are making life harder for yourself. |
| 16:54.18 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv op simonrvn #debian :P |
| 16:54.20 | ross` | this is a help channel, i know its the wrong one |
| 16:54.31 | ross` | but still if NinjaMan will help me then i thank him for being awesome |
| 16:54.32 | abrotman | anyways .. he got what he needs to start reading .. can we move on? |
| 16:54.34 | LadyNikon | "help" not "do" |
| 16:54.40 | simonrvn | oops, did i say that out loud? |
| 16:54.55 | simonrvn | puts on some dancing music |
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| 16:55.20 | maligor | simonrvn, no, it was subvocal |
| 16:55.23 | LadyNikon | laughs |
| 16:55.42 | NinjaMan | ross: RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^http://svnroot.azrule.net\ /viewvc/azrule/(.+)\ HTTP/ |
| 16:56.04 | ross` | put exactly that in it? |
| 16:56.18 | LadyNikon | heh |
| 16:56.23 | NinjaMan | ross: after the RewriteEngine On command |
| 16:56.35 | NinjaMan | ross: note I haven't tested it :D |
| 16:56.39 | ross` | NinjaMan: so |
| 16:56.44 | ross` | RewriteEngine On |
| 16:56.51 | NinjaMan | you will need a RewriteRule command afterwards too - one minute |
| 16:56.53 | ross` | RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^http://svnroot.azrule.net\ /viewvc/azrule/(.+)\ HTTP/ |
| 16:57.01 | NinjaMan | ross: yes |
| 16:57.38 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:57.42 | ross` | On or on |
| 16:57.51 | ross` | does it matter for the RewriteEngine command |
| 16:58.12 | NinjaMan | ross: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://svn.azrule.net/$1 [R=301,L] |
| 16:58.22 | abrotman | nice spoon! |
| 16:58.40 | ross` | ok |
| 16:58.42 | ross` | i have: |
| 16:58.54 | NinjaMan | ross: no idea, I have mine in all lowercase - try it out - the logs will quickly tell you if it doesn't parse |
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| 16:59.05 | ross` | RewriteEngine on |
| 16:59.05 | ross` | RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^http://svnroot.azrule.net\ /viewvc/azrule/(.+)\ HTTP/ |
| 16:59.09 | ross` | RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://svn.azrule.net/$1 [R=301,L] |
| 16:59.11 | ross` | ok thanks |
| 16:59.32 | ross` | Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration failed! |
| 16:59.33 | NinjaMan | ross: yes something like that - like I said I haven't tested it |
| 16:59.41 | maligor | or missing the module? |
| 16:59.47 | ross` | oh, maybe |
| 16:59.57 | ross` | do i kn -s the mod-available to the mod-emabled? |
| 17:00.00 | ross` | ln -s* |
| 17:00.03 | ross` | how do i do that |
| 17:00.04 | Eulex | no |
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| 17:00.08 | NinjaMan | NO |
| 17:00.11 | Eulex | you use a2enmod |
| 17:00.12 | bw\ | ross`: a2enablemod |
| 17:00.16 | NinjaMan | use a2enmon |
| 17:00.18 | NinjaMan | a2enmod |
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| 17:00.54 | ross` | oh ok thanks |
| 17:00.54 | NinjaMan | ross: how did you enable all your other apache2 modules ? |
| 17:01.03 | abrotman | do you really want to know? |
| 17:01.10 | NinjaMan | LOL |
| 17:01.33 | ross` | serenity:/etc/apache2/mods-available# a2enmod rewrite.load |
| 17:01.34 | ross` | ? |
| 17:01.39 | ross` | NinjaMan: never have before |
| 17:01.56 | ross` | i believe i did ln -s for userdir |
| 17:02.05 | ross` | anyway will that command work |
| 17:02.24 | NinjaMan | ross: man a2enmod - I don't remember if you need the .load part |
| 17:02.30 | abrotman | ross`: try it and see .. |
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| 17:02.41 | ross` | yep i got it working |
| 17:02.44 | ross` | didnt need .load |
| 17:02.52 | simonrvn | wtf do you have "HTTP/" in your rewritecond ? |
| 17:03.12 | ross` | yes |
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| 17:03.39 | ross` | hmm |
| 17:03.44 | ross` | doesnt seem to be working |
| 17:03.48 | NinjaMan | simonrvn: your probably right, I don't need it - I just prefer use it is a match boundary |
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| 17:04.10 | NinjaMan | simonrvn: i.e. the whole {REQUEST} string |
| 17:04.15 | ross` | NinjaMan: its not working hmm |
| 17:04.24 | simonrvn | um, glob it... and that's not really part of the url request |
| 17:04.46 | ross` | for somereason it also made this stop working |
| 17:04.49 | ross` | <VirtualHost *> |
| 17:04.49 | ross` | ServerName svnroot.azrule.net |
| 17:04.49 | ross` | ScriptAlias /viewvc /usr/local/viewvc-1.1-dev/bin/cgi/viewvc.cgi |
| 17:04.49 | ross` | ScriptAlias /query /usr/local/viewvc-1.1-dev/bin/cgi/query.cgi |
| 17:04.49 | ross` | </virtualhost> |
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| 17:04.58 | ross` | sry for flood |
| 17:04.59 | NinjaMan | simonrvn : glob it? |
| 17:05.31 | ross` | hmm |
| 17:05.31 | NinjaMan | simonrvn: I mean it comes up as part of the %{THE_REQUEST} variable |
| 17:05.35 | simonrvn | oh it is, my bad, i was hinking of REQUEST_URI |
| 17:05.38 | ross` | NinjaMan: any other ideas? |
| 17:05.41 | simonrvn | thinking even |
| 17:05.52 | NinjaMan | ross: time to experience the joys of debugging |
| 17:06.02 | NinjaMan | ross: the structure is roughly right |
| 17:06.03 | ross` | ok |
| 17:06.14 | simonrvn | !tell ross` -about paste |
| 17:06.24 | maligor | and read the docs on rewrite :P |
| 17:06.35 | simonrvn | but you can still glob it |
| 17:06.37 | maligor | usually a good place to start on fixing rules |
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| 17:06.55 | ross` | hmm weird |
| 17:07.01 | NinjaMan | ross: first of all make sure you know what you are rewriting |
| 17:07.03 | ross` | for some reason svnroot isnt working |
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| 17:07.12 | ross` | NinjaMan: actually i dont know if your think didnt work |
| 17:07.17 | ross` | svnroot isnt working for some reason |
| 17:07.22 | NinjaMan | ross: ????? |
| 17:07.35 | ross` | yea |
| 17:07.37 | ross` | weird huh |
| 17:07.47 | ross` | i commented out svn.dultra.net |
| 17:07.51 | ross` | and svnroot.dultra.net |
| 17:07.52 | ross` | isnt working |
| 17:07.59 | ross` | oh, nvm |
| 17:08.00 | ross` | it is |
| 17:08.01 | ross` | :) |
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| 17:08.11 | ross` | so yea, the rewrite didnt work |
| 17:09.28 | ross` | NinjaMan: any ideas? where should i look to find out why its not working. i didnt get any errors |
| 17:09.41 | NinjaMan | ross: 1st find the rewrite log file |
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| 17:10.19 | ross` | ok |
| 17:10.52 | ross` | serenity:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# ls /var/log/apache2/ |
| 17:10.52 | ross` | access.log access.log.1 access.log.2.gz access.log.3.gz error.log error.log.1 error.log.2.gz error.log.3.gz |
| 17:11.07 | ross` | not sure which i want |
| 17:11.18 | NinjaMan | ross: is that your 3 line way of telling me there is no rewrite file? :) |
| 17:11.32 | NinjaMan | ross`: it shoud be call rewrite.log |
| 17:11.38 | ross` | yea, i cant find that |
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| 17:11.48 | simonrvn | it's not enabled by default |
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| 17:11.50 | ross` | ill run locate moment |
| 17:12.01 | NinjaMan | ross`: so the next step is to find out from the manual how to turn it on |
| 17:12.02 | ross` | simonrvn: oh, how do i enable it :) |
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| 17:12.11 | ross` | hmm ok, would taht be found in the documentation? |
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| 17:12.45 | NinjaMan | ross`: almost everything can be found in the documentation - that's what it's for |
| 17:12.51 | ross` | ok |
| 17:12.58 | NinjaMan | ross`: LOL where did you think I learnt this stuff?? ha ha ha |
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| 17:13.22 | LadyNikon | NinjaMan: dont forget forums and wikis :D |
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| 17:13.41 | LadyNikon | i have learned wayyy more from forums and wikis than documentation |
| 17:13.46 | LadyNikon | yay for learnind disabilities |
| 17:13.52 | ross` | hey i learned something |
| 17:14.13 | ross` | should i add this line to the vhost? RewriteLog "/var/logs/apache2/rewrite.log" |
| 17:14.39 | ross` | NinjaMan: ? |
| 17:14.51 | NinjaMan | LadyNikon: very true |
| 17:15.04 | NinjaMan | ross`: try it |
| 17:15.14 | ross` | will do |
| 17:15.31 | NinjaMan | ross`: I deleted the line from my config files after I got mine working |
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| 17:15.32 | IamQuick | hi |
| 17:15.55 | ross` | its blank |
| 17:15.57 | ross` | huh |
| 17:16.01 | ross` | i restarted apache it creted the log file |
| 17:16.05 | ross` | and there is nothing in it |
| 17:16.18 | tolecnal | ross`: if used under a VirtualHost directive, you can use a specific log for that vhost, hence the RewriteLog directive. If no RewriteLog is specified, it will use the standard rewrite log for the server |
| 17:16.40 | ross` | tolecnal: whats that in my language |
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| 17:17.08 | tolecnal | ross`: we're all speaking English, but I don't know where you're from and what your language is |
| 17:17.19 | ross` | noob language =/ |
| 17:17.26 | ross` | i dont understand what you mean |
| 17:17.35 | tolecnal | what I said was pretty straightforward |
| 17:17.43 | NinjaMan | ross: after you restarted the server, did you actually try using the browser on the url you want to rewrite? |
| 17:17.58 | ross` | oh, no |
| 17:18.01 | ross` | ill do that |
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| 17:18.06 | tolecnal | ;-) |
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| 17:18.59 | NinjaMan | ross`: you crack me up |
| 17:19.30 | ross` | NinjaMan: http://azrule.net/rewrite.log |
| 17:20.11 | abrotman | still? |
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| 17:20.39 | NinjaMan | ross: LOL sorry my bad one moment |
| 17:20.47 | ross` | :) its ok |
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| 17:22.19 | NinjaMan | are http://svnroot.azrule.net\ and http://svn.azrule.net/ on the same Apache2 instance? |
| 17:22.27 | ross` | yes |
| 17:22.32 | ross` | in teh same vhsot file actually |
| 17:22.38 | ross` | just different vhosts |
| 17:22.40 | ross` | :) |
| 17:22.42 | ross` | moment ill show you |
| 17:23.08 | NinjaMan | ross`: before I go any further - why on earth are you doing this |
| 17:23.16 | ross` | http://azrule.net/azrule.net |
| 17:23.40 | ross` | NinjaMan: because i want ppl to be able to easially access the svn of my project |
| 17:24.13 | aadil | if u have pr0n i'll access ur svn |
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| 17:24.19 | ross` | aadil: nope sorry |
| 17:24.20 | aadil | :) |
| 17:24.27 | simonrvn | doesn't get why the 2 different subdomains for probably the same thing |
| 17:24.29 | aadil | sorry then mate |
| 17:24.32 | simonrvn | !lart aadil |
| 17:24.33 | dpkg | gives aadil a good seeing to |
| 17:24.39 | ross` | simonrvn: because |
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| 17:24.46 | aadil | :D |
| 17:24.48 | ross` | type in http://svnroot.azrule.net |
| 17:24.51 | ross` | it doesnt point to anything |
| 17:24.57 | ross` | for smoe reason i cant make it point at that page |
| 17:25.03 | NinjaMan | ross: I think you are confusing some issues here |
| 17:25.09 | ross` | maybe |
| 17:25.10 | ross` | =/ |
| 17:25.24 | ross` | anyway did you rewrite the Rewrite? |
| 17:25.28 | NinjaMan | ross`: as far as I know apache2 does not match incoming requests on Servername |
| 17:25.34 | ross` | oh btw that line that is 2 lines in the vhost it only shows as 1 |
| 17:25.58 | ross` | hmm |
| 17:26.19 | NinjaMan | ross`: does http://svnroot.azrule.net and http://svn.azrule.net/ resolve to the same ip address? |
| 17:26.23 | ross` | yes |
| 17:26.27 | ross` | 67.52.47.69 |
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| 17:27.55 | NinjaMan | ross`: so basically you want any request to the /viewvc/azrule/ directory to point the / (root) directory? |
| 17:28.05 | NinjaMan | ross`: regardless of servername .... |
| 17:28.22 | ross` | yes |
| 17:28.24 | ross` | i suppose |
| 17:28.29 | ross` | well no |
| 17:28.35 | ross` | all the other domains on that server |
| 17:28.36 | ross` | will get mest up |
| 17:28.42 | ross` | i have lots of domins being controlled |
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| 17:29.17 | ross` | all i want is whatever is shown on svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule/ to be shown on svn.azrule.net/ |
| 17:29.28 | ross` | if we can do this by getting rid of avnroot thats ok |
| 17:29.33 | ross` | i just want this to work |
| 17:29.34 | ross` | :) |
| 17:29.45 | ross` | svnroot was only made to make svn.azrule.net work |
| 17:29.47 | ross` | its unimportant |
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| 17:30.26 | simonrvn | great, more dns pollution |
| 17:30.28 | NinjaMan | ross`: when you type http://svnroot.azrule.net/ and http://svn.azrule.net/ into a browser - do you actually get different content? |
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| 17:30.46 | ross` | i get nothing with both :p |
| 17:31.05 | ross` | the url is not found with svnroot.azrule.net |
| 17:31.15 | LadyNikon | one day i am gonna work on my project to get debian to do the same as mobileme |
| 17:31.17 | ross` | you need to do svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc |
| 17:31.19 | ross` | to get something |
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| 17:31.23 | LadyNikon | i gotta finish my homework though :( |
| 17:31.40 | ross` | and svn.azrule.net shows nothing ever |
| 17:31.46 | ross` | because it has no documentroot |
| 17:31.49 | ross` | or anythign to show a page |
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| 17:31.59 | aadil | LadyNikon, mobile what? |
| 17:32.00 | abrotman | ross`: less enter key please |
| 17:32.07 | ross` | abrotman: sorry |
| 17:32.26 | LadyNikon | aadil: mobileme is a web application site for apple |
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| 17:32.30 | NinjaMan | ross`: ok one moment |
| 17:32.40 | LadyNikon | bascially you upload everything to it.. and you can autosync files with various applications |
| 17:32.50 | LadyNikon | but for me to do it like that i gotta learn better web security |
| 17:32.56 | LadyNikon | got hacked once attempting it -.- |
| 17:33.09 | aadil | err |
| 17:33.10 | LadyNikon | live and learn :D |
| 17:33.14 | aadil | i need to check it out |
| 17:33.27 | LadyNikon | its pretty cool.. but 99 bucks a month |
| 17:33.34 | LadyNikon | s/month/year/ |
| 17:33.38 | aadil | didnt still quite grab its full meaning |
| 17:33.41 | aadil | :) |
| 17:33.47 | LadyNikon | its cool |
| 17:33.57 | ross` | i dont like max |
| 17:33.59 | ross` | mac* |
| 17:34.00 | LadyNikon | I like apple stuff.. but i am one of those people who wanna replicate it in linux and for free |
| 17:34.03 | ross` | but i suppose its better then windows |
| 17:34.20 | aadil | i can't afford apple stuff |
| 17:34.26 | ross` | i have an iphone |
| 17:34.30 | ross` | thats about it for apple stuff for me :) |
| 17:34.34 | aadil | my armani shirts are more important |
| 17:34.35 | aadil | :) |
| 17:34.38 | LadyNikon | aadil: my old job paid 50% of my cost for my macmini |
| 17:34.46 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 17:34.53 | LadyNikon | aadil: i am a walmar/target shopper for my addiction |
| 17:35.07 | LadyNikon | but if i can get my debian linode to do the same thing it would be cool |
| 17:35.22 | aadil | my work is not that generous |
| 17:35.24 | LadyNikon | i *kinda* can with ftp and ssh |
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| 17:35.33 | aadil | :) |
| 17:35.48 | LadyNikon | but i like gui because its faster since i am not a console baby |
| 17:35.55 | LadyNikon | oh bfs home brb |
| 17:36.36 | aadil | ok, let's get this baby on topic |
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| 17:37.11 | ross` | NinjaMan: you still with me? |
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| 17:37.21 | NinjaMan | ross`: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^svnroot.azrule.net$\ /viewvc/azrule/(.+)\ HTTP/ |
| 17:37.21 | NinjaMan | ross`: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://svn.azrule.net/$1 [R=301,L] |
| 17:37.22 | LadyNikon | heh |
| 17:37.27 | ross` | ok moment |
| 17:37.33 | NinjaMan | ross`: sorry ignore that |
| 17:37.37 | ross` | oh ok |
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| 17:38.13 | NinjaMan | ross`: RewriteConf %{HTTP_HOST} ^svn.azrule.net$ |
| 17:39.09 | ross` | UMMM |
| 17:39.09 | ross` | DO YOU MEAN SVROOT? |
| 17:39.09 | ross` | sry caps |
| 17:39.09 | NinjaMan | correction: ross`: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^svn.azrule.net$ |
| 17:39.09 | abrotman | ross`: less enter |
| 17:39.09 | aadil | has anyone ever achieved real time detection of web site hacking attempts and how? |
| 17:39.09 | esds | tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 17:39.09 | esds | hrhrhrrh |
| 17:39.10 | aadil | heh |
| 17:39.10 | ross` | NinjaMan: ok |
| 17:39.20 | NinjaMan | ross: you want to type address svn.azrule.net and get svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule/ right? |
| 17:39.25 | ross` | yes |
| 17:39.31 | esds | aadil: what do you mean? |
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| 17:39.38 | esds | "real time detection"? |
| 17:39.39 | NinjaMan | ross`: ok then this should be right |
| 17:39.42 | ross` | ok |
| 17:39.42 | aadil | esds, thanks a lot- but not helpful when one administers > 1000 servers |
| 17:39.44 | ross` | moment |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | !tell ross` about enter |
| 17:39.57 | simonrvn | it's called an ids |
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| 17:40.08 | aadil | esds, when someone tries to hack a website via injection for example, u get an alert |
| 17:40.13 | ross` | ok NinjaMan do you have the RewriteRule line yet? |
| 17:40.15 | aadil | in real time |
| 17:40.17 | aadil | :) |
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| 17:40.20 | esds | hum, like snort? |
| 17:40.21 | esds | maybe |
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| 17:40.38 | arikonm | hi all! |
| 17:40.46 | esds | What is Snort? |
| 17:40.48 | esds | SNORT® is an open source network intrusion prevention and detection system utilizing a rule-driven language, which combines the benefits of signature, protocol and anomaly based inspection methods. With millions of downloads to date, Snort is the most widely deployed intrusion detection and prevention technology worldwide and has become the de facto standard for the industry. |
| 17:40.49 | aadil | kinda like snort |
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| 17:40.55 | NinjaMan | ross`: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://svnroot.azrule.net/viewvc/azrule/ [R=301,L] |
| 17:40.57 | simonrvn | !snort |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | from memory, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 17:41.08 | trifler | Yes I got it to work. the fstab thin.. just needed a reboot |
| 17:41.22 | aadil | snort is an IDS focusing on system security |
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| 17:41.31 | aadil | not web server security |
| 17:41.32 | aadil | right? |
| 17:41.34 | ross` | ok testing it |
| 17:41.36 | LadyNikon | oi snort |
| 17:41.37 | esds | aadil: you can adde rules, like regexp for sql injection |
| 17:41.41 | ross` | IT WORKS |
| 17:41.46 | aadil | oki |
| 17:41.46 | simonrvn | it does http(s) |
| 17:41.47 | esds | UNION's,etc etc |
| 17:41.49 | abrotman | thank goodness |
| 17:41.51 | ross` | NinjaMan: thank you so much!!!!! you are the best you are awesome |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:41.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:42.03 | ross` | abrotman: im excited! >< |
| 17:42.12 | LadyNikon | heh |
| 17:42.17 | esds | im out, later |
| 17:42.22 | aadil | but isnt installing snort only for monitoring web server security kinda like using a chainsaw for cutting chesse? |
| 17:42.25 | aadil | oki |
| 17:42.44 | esds | aadil: i guess theres some apache modules maybe |
| 17:42.54 | aadil | i tried apache-scalp |
| 17:42.57 | aadil | and it's quit good |
| 17:43.00 | simonrvn | aadil: apt-cache search snort |
| 17:43.00 | aadil | quite* |
| 17:43.01 | ross` | NinjaMan: can yo ujoin channel #dultra |
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| 17:43.15 | aadil | simonrvn, heh |
| 17:43.38 | NinjaMan | what is #dultra channel? |
| 17:43.43 | esds | why just worry about web server security? |
| 17:43.44 | aadil | but apache-scalp is only for analysing log file of the day |
| 17:43.47 | aadil | not in real time imho |
| 17:43.52 | ross` | its my personal channel |
| 17:43.53 | esds | it still exist 0days, stack/buffer overflows etc |
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| 17:43.56 | ross` | where me and my friends chill |
| 17:43.58 | esds | snort helps a _bit_ |
| 17:44.02 | abrotman | ross`: why didn't you take him there an hour ago? |
| 17:44.13 | esds | aadil: gotta run , gl! |
| 17:44.14 | aadil | esds, security is part of my work |
| 17:44.17 | aadil | oki |
| 17:44.17 | ross` | abrotman: all the better to annoy you my friend |
| 17:44.19 | ross` | good question tho |
| 17:44.21 | aadil | catch u later |
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| 17:44.40 | esds | aadil: then install some IDS :P |
| 17:44.55 | assem | does debian stable or testing (gnome) have system sounds available w/out ESD? ESD causes my flash player and other ALSA apps to fail.... |
| 17:45.00 | aadil | hehe |
| 17:45.05 | aadil | dont u worry esds |
| 17:45.09 | aadil | everything's covered |
| 17:45.15 | dudeman | I don't think so |
| 17:45.37 | dudeman | I think its like kde+arts, you can't have system sounds without it, unless you configure to use some other player like alsaplayer or something |
| 17:45.48 | dudeman | I'm not positive about gnome, but I think it has the same thing |
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| 17:45.59 | dudeman | you should be able to configure it to use a diff server/player |
| 17:46.00 | zleap | what does resolvconf command do |
| 17:46.05 | dudeman | zleap, man it |
| 17:46.10 | LadyNikon | fluxbox :D |
| 17:46.15 | assem | dudeman, thanks, sorry to hear that though :( |
| 17:46.19 | abrotman | assem: i have esound installed .. flash works just fine |
| 17:46.28 | simonrvn | zleap: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | course .. esd isn't actually running |
| 17:46.47 | simonrvn | uses pulse |
| 17:46.48 | assem | abrotman, can i ask specifics on your setup? |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | you can try |
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| 17:47.37 | dudeman | lol |
| 17:47.38 | blood | whats the debian "php" called when installing w/ apt-get? |
| 17:47.46 | assem | abrotman, ok wait first... how do you have system sounds without having ESD running? |
| 17:47.46 | dudeman | blood, php5 |
| 17:47.49 | blubberdiblub | probably using the libesd-alsa library or how it is called, that is supposed to remove the requirement for the esound daemon :) |
| 17:47.53 | abrotman | assem: define system sounds |
| 17:48.00 | Eulex | blood, which of them do you want? |
| 17:48.11 | dudeman | blood, install php5, apache2, mod-apache2-php5 (i think it should auto install) |
| 17:48.11 | assem | abrotman, System -> Preferences -> Sound |
| 17:48.14 | Eulex | blood, also, /msg dpkg search |
| 17:48.14 | simonrvn | blood: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:48.25 | dudeman | !lamp |
| 17:48.25 | dpkg | [lamp] Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5" |
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| 17:48.37 | assem | abrotman, if you enable ESD then you can "Play System Sounds" |
| 17:48.38 | abrotman | assem: oh nope .. all mine are turned off |
| 17:48.39 | dudeman | ahh install php ok |
| 17:48.43 | dudeman | blood, /msg dpkg install php |
| 17:48.56 | blood | i got 5 now |
| 17:48.58 | aadil | heh |
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| 17:49.04 | aadil | lots of eager samaritans tonight |
| 17:49.07 | aadil | :d |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | assem: i don't really like my computer to make goofy sounds for no apparent reason |
| 17:49.08 | assem | abrotman, :/ then do you have some type of sounds play when you navigate the desktop? |
| 17:49.19 | dudeman | I like goofy sounds |
| 17:49.21 | dudeman | they are fun |
| 17:49.22 | abrotman | assem: nope .. i want sound when i do it explicity .. |
| 17:49.32 | aadil | word |
| 17:49.35 | dudeman | indeed |
| 17:49.41 | abrotman | assem: the only thing i have that isn't explicit is the system bell stuff |
| 17:49.43 | simonrvn | dirve you nuts, they do |
| 17:49.44 | assem | abrotman, haha :( still it's the principle that system sounds use something that breaks other interfaces |
| 17:49.47 | simonrvn | drive |
| 17:49.53 | dudeman | simonrvn, but if you're already nuts... |
| 17:49.55 | dudeman | ;( |
| 17:49.57 | dudeman | hehe |
| 17:49.57 | abrotman | assem: i can turn them on i suppose |
| 17:50.21 | assem | abrotman, could you try turning them on and playing a youtube and/or mp3 etc. |
| 17:50.23 | dudeman | simonrvn, you know how they say 'less is more'... if less is more then imagine how much more 'more' would be... |
| 17:50.39 | simonrvn | more or less |
| 17:50.42 | dudeman | lol |
| 17:50.45 | assem | maybe it's on my soundcard, when esd is running it prevents other ALSA apps from using the device... |
| 17:50.52 | abrotman | assem: uh .. apparently i have to isntall the gnome-audio package :) |
| 17:51.00 | zleap | resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolvconf/run/interfaces is not a directory |
| 17:51.04 | assem | abrotman, whoops sry nm... |
| 17:51.10 | dudeman | !wayttd zleap |
| 17:51.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zleap? |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | assem: just give me a minute |
| 17:51.20 | zleap | get my desktop to connect to the internet |
| 17:51.27 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:51.31 | zleap | it lost the connection when i upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 17:51.33 | dudeman | zleap, lets do a checklist |
| 17:51.38 | zleap | ok |
| 17:51.39 | IamQuick | how can I stop outgoing udp packets? I am ROOT |
| 17:51.41 | dudeman | zleap, as root/sudo, ifconfig |
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| 17:51.51 | simonrvn | IamQuick: what? |
| 17:51.55 | dudeman | zleap, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:52.01 | IamQuick | my box dont allow outgoing UDP packets |
| 17:52.04 | simonrvn | you don't need root to query ifconfig |
| 17:52.04 | IamQuick | it blocks it |
| 17:52.05 | dudeman | zleap, your nic is configured for use? |
| 17:52.07 | IamQuick | i want to allow it |
| 17:52.09 | dudeman | hopefully |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | IamQuick: so fix your firewall |
| 17:52.25 | IamQuick | thats what I dont know how to |
| 17:52.29 | zleap | how can i pastebin it |
| 17:52.30 | IamQuick | i have remote access |
| 17:52.41 | zleap | that computer does not have net access |
| 17:52.44 | simonrvn | !pastebin |
| 17:52.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:52.46 | abrotman | assem: wow .. those are annoying |
| 17:52.47 | dudeman | hm |
| 17:52.49 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:52.52 | assem | abrotman, lol... |
| 17:52.56 | abrotman | assem: now test what? |
| 17:53.05 | dudeman | zleap, ok just tell here then, don't use too many lines |
| 17:53.06 | assem | abrotman, try a youtube video if you would |
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| 17:53.22 | dudeman | zleap, are you having a NAT router? |
| 17:53.30 | zleap | yeah |
| 17:53.44 | dudeman | zleap, you can ping the route but not internet address (is this why you are looking for resolv.conf help?) |
| 17:53.47 | zleap | ok i have this computer running ubuntu connecting via the same router fine |
| 17:53.47 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:53.55 | Eulex | zleap, does the router do dhcp? |
| 17:54.04 | zleap | yes |
| 17:54.14 | zleap | this box works fine, from the same router |
| 17:54.20 | simonrvn | dhclient eth0 |
| 17:54.33 | Eulex | zleap, how does your /etc/network/interfaces setup for the interface look currently? |
| 17:54.42 | zleap | erm |
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| 17:54.47 | dudeman | Eulex, he is gonna paste it somehow ;) |
| 17:54.53 | zleap | if i do dhclient eth0 |
| 17:55.02 | zleap | i get the error pasted earlier |
| 17:55.06 | zleap | resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolvconf/run/interfaces is not a directoryt |
| 17:55.12 | abrotman | assem: good job .. you broke my sound! |
| 17:55.16 | simonrvn | remove resolvconf |
| 17:55.32 | simonrvn | i bet you didn't configure it |
| 17:55.34 | assem | abrotman, haha |
| 17:55.43 | Eulex | zleap, do you have a reason for using resolvconf? |
| 17:55.47 | abrotman | assem: this is why i don't do system sounds :) |
| 17:55.49 | aadil | hehe |
| 17:56.06 | assem | abrotman, :) i think the gnome package should be changed to use ALSA |
| 17:56.19 | simonrvn | assem: it's configurable... |
| 17:56.21 | assem | abrotman, if i run iceweasel from a terminal it gives me this error: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 17:56.25 | abrotman | i think esd and arts should go to hell together :) |
| 17:56.33 | Eulex | libesd-alsa0 - Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared libraries |
| 17:56.35 | abrotman | assem: sounds like something has it locked up |
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| 17:56.42 | abrotman | Eulex: oh .. let's try that |
| 17:57.15 | assem | simonrvn, the system sounds only becomes active once i enabled ESD... do u mean iceweasel is configurable? |
| 17:57.26 | dudeman | dude |
| 17:57.28 | dudeman | this is open source shit |
| 17:57.28 | abrotman | assem: probably try what Eulex suggested |
| 17:57.33 | dudeman | EVERYthing is configurable |
| 17:57.48 | Eulex | abrotman, might need to config esd to use it... no idea how to do that. |
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| 17:57.53 | simonrvn | assem> abrotman, :) i think the gnome package should be changed to use ALSA |
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| 17:57.58 | simonrvn | no i don't |
| 17:58.03 | dudeman | why not? |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | simonrvn: fine .. but only if you kill arts too! |
| 17:58.08 | dudeman | esd sucks balls |
| 17:58.09 | dudeman | kill arts |
| 17:58.17 | X1938_ | how long should compiling a kernel take on a 1.8 dual core pr ? |
| 17:58.19 | dudeman | dmix is the way to go |
| 17:58.22 | assem | simonrvn, right... |
| 17:58.26 | X1938_ | its been like 10 mins now :( |
| 17:58.31 | abrotman | X1938_: depends what you put in it |
| 17:58.33 | iLLf8d | should be done any second now |
| 17:58.37 | dudeman | X1938_, dedicate 1 cpu to it and leave the 2nd for the system |
| 17:58.42 | X1938_ | basic config. abortman |
| 17:58.43 | dudeman | set cpu affinity |
| 17:58.49 | dudeman | process affinity i mean |
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| 17:59.01 | liable | ohnos |
| 17:59.02 | abrotman | X1938_: 24.63 minutes |
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| 17:59.14 | dudeman | and depends on how you have it configred, it could take a upto an hour or more |
| 17:59.24 | assem | simonrvn, the devices section is configurable (i have it set on ALSA) but unless you have esd enabled you can't have system sounds playing... am i wrong? |
| 17:59.38 | dudeman | abrotman, don't bullshit the man |
| 17:59.41 | iLLf8d | anyone have a reinstall script for linux that backs up essential files and records output like dmesg lspci and similar? |
| 17:59.52 | simonrvn | "system sounds" needs esd/esdcompat (from pulseaudio) running |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | dudeman: you left out RAM, disk speed, bus speed, other running applications ... |
| 17:59.59 | Eulex | X1938, you're complaining about it taking 10 minutes, while I remember it taking 4h on a certain old laptop... |
| 18:00.13 | blubberdiblub | well, i can use arts here just fine. it uses alsa as backend and does not lock anything up. i can still play directly through alsa while arts is playing something |
| 18:00.17 | X1938_ | :/ |
| 18:00.18 | dudeman | abrotman, of course, and depends on how you have it configred <- I meant the whole system not .config otherwise I would have said depending on your .config |
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| 18:00.27 | omry | I want to upgrade a production server from Etch to Lenny, any advice before I dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:00.38 | dudeman | abrotman, try and give productive answers please. Sarcasm accomplished nothing constructive. |
| 18:00.38 | assem | simonrvn, well, my comment was intended to say it -shouldn't- use esd |
| 18:00.41 | dudeman | Thank you. |
| 18:00.50 | abrotman | assem: yes .. the libesd-alsa0 works fine with youtube |
| 18:01.02 | assem | abrotman, ok interesting... i just installed it too |
| 18:01.07 | abrotman | but wait . the system sounds don't work |
| 18:01.16 | Eulex | omry, prepare for the worst. back up etc. |
| 18:01.36 | dudeman | spend 20/mo and buy some kickass remote space |
| 18:01.41 | dudeman | back up everything there |
| 18:01.47 | dudeman | nightly, while you sleep |
| 18:01.49 | liable | omry: upgrade apt aptitude dpkg first |
| 18:01.55 | dudeman | never have the problems I did before |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | assem: hold on .. let me double check that |
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| 18:02.07 | dudeman | get stoned and delete the wrong files and shit |
| 18:02.08 | omry | Eulex, already prepared. have regular automated backups. both local and remote. |
| 18:02.09 | dudeman | ugh. |
| 18:02.13 | assem | abrotman, mine's just the opposite... system sounds work but not youtube flash videos |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | assem: yep .. |
| 18:02.25 | abrotman | assem: you have to restart esd |
| 18:02.30 | omry | liable, nice suggestion. thanks. |
| 18:02.34 | Eulex | omry, make sure that the backups are valid and complete :) |
| 18:02.45 | lera_zed | is there packaged version of dovecot-antispam plugin available ? |
| 18:02.48 | dudeman | actually I think you have to restart firefox/flash process AFTER you restart esd |
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| 18:02.59 | abrotman | that too |
| 18:03.02 | dudeman | otherwise flash has control of the sound |
| 18:03.04 | dudeman | and won't let go |
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| 18:03.10 | dudeman | like hydrogen and skype |
| 18:03.11 | dudeman | ugh. |
| 18:03.20 | omry | Eulex, well, they are as valid as they can be. except they file system based backups (snapshots), so recovery of an entire system may be work intensive. |
| 18:06.41 | assem | that may have worked for me... brb |
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| 18:08.29 | assem | abrotman, that worked for me... now i can customize some quirky annoying sounds ;) |
| 18:08.49 | assem | Eulex, thanks for your suggestion... |
| 18:09.12 | X1938_ | i hope compiling this new kernel is going to fix some problems |
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| 18:09.24 | X1938_ | my sound device doesnt seem to working without ACPI disabled :S |
| 18:09.45 | simonrvn | assem: it's stupid, i know. but it hasn't changed much since the early gnome2 days, when oss was still very much prevalent (linux kernel 2.4.x days). |
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| 18:09.59 | dudeman | oh remember those days well |
| 18:10.03 | assem | simonrvn, Eulex, well, from google'ing for the answer, no one suggested or mentioned that libesd package. maybe the debian folks could publicize this solution? |
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| 18:10.09 | simonrvn | i'm hoping they grow some gonads and rewrite that whole thing |
| 18:10.10 | blubberdiblub | assem, abrotman: looks like the default libesd0 package plays through oss, which is calling for trouble, as it usually allows only one instance accessing the sound card |
| 18:10.11 | dudeman | I used to be a gnome user when sarge was in testing |
| 18:10.17 | dudeman | freshly woody |
| 18:10.28 | simonrvn | assem: it's a suggests, it's already taken care of |
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| 18:10.51 | assem | great :) |
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| 18:11.25 | msshams | i use qmail. sent mails can't send and stay in queue. please help me to find problem. |
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| 18:12.06 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: Eulex pointed us at libesd-alsa0 |
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| 18:14.08 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, yeah, i'm using that one here, and have gotten rid of libesd0 right from the start. i'm not a gnome user, but i use some programs that are usually gnome-centric. but i didn't think of the possibility that this could be the problem |
| 18:14.18 | tor | is there anything like windows VSS in linux? |
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| 18:14.55 | enouf | has no gnome, nor esd crap - heck i even killed arts crap .. audio works fine |
| 18:15.21 | enouf | tor: what's vss? |
| 18:15.36 | tor | volume shadow service, probably |
| 18:15.39 | zleap | i think it could be a lenny network manager issue |
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| 18:16.11 | enouf | tor: maybe you want solaris and zfs, or you want lvm snapshots or something |
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| 18:17.04 | ilatus47 | hello |
| 18:17.05 | enouf | tor: you'd think defining a mnemonic/acronym/anagram would suffice, but not winpoop ones :-P |
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| 18:20.39 | abrotman | tor: monodevelop, eclipse |
| 18:20.50 | abrotman | tor: oh .. wrong thing |
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| 18:25.49 | Casperin | wouldn't unzipping a .zip.gz file be tar -xf foo.zip.gz ? |
| 18:26.14 | esds | how about gz.sip?! |
| 18:26.18 | esds | how about gz.zip?! |
| 18:26.22 | amphi | gunzip foo.zip.gz |
| 18:26.25 | hoxu | Casperin, aptitude install atool |
| 18:26.30 | amphi | if that's really what you have |
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| 18:26.39 | scientus_ | how do i use chmod to make all files 644 and directories 755? |
| 18:26.42 | esds | @ failed troll |
| 18:27.04 | Eulex | Casperin, emh, zip.gz? really? |
| 18:27.19 | Casperin | hehe yeah |
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| 18:27.29 | Casperin | I gunzipped it, so now I have a .zip |
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| 18:27.31 | hoxu | scientus_, something like "find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 chmod 644" |
| 18:27.36 | Eulex | so unzip it then |
| 18:27.36 | esds | whats a virus.txt.exe? |
| 18:27.40 | hoxu | scientus_, similarly for 'd'irectories |
| 18:27.47 | amphi | Casperin: so now unzup it already |
| 18:27.52 | esds | last .extension -> format |
| 18:27.56 | esds | (hopefully) |
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| 18:28.07 | Casperin | eek how? I'm totally rookie :* |
| 18:28.11 | hoxu | Casperin, aptitude install atool |
| 18:28.25 | amphi | Casperin: unzip foo.zip |
| 18:28.25 | Casperin | hoxu, okay okay |
| 18:28.30 | Eulex | Casperin, the one who created that archive wasn't particularly bright, btw. |
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| 18:29.02 | Eulex | zip already has compression. compressing using gz afterwards is completely unnecessary, redundant and will probably increase the file size... |
| 18:29.17 | Casperin | lol I made it.. I was trying to unzip the .zip and gzipped :( |
| 18:29.33 | Eulex | ah |
| 18:29.41 | Casperin | + it |
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| 18:29.59 | Casperin | oh well.. thanks :) |
| 18:30.13 | Suprano1 | hmm |
| 18:30.55 | jim_home | I can't find a package for bzip2-headers |
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| 18:31.07 | enouf | try -dev |
| 18:31.08 | jim_home | google isn't giving me anything useful |
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| 18:31.28 | Suprano1 | bzip2-dev |
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| 18:31.53 | jim_home | package not found |
| 18:32.03 | enouf | libbz2-dev - high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - development |
| 18:32.14 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search bzip2 | grep dev |
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| 18:32.40 | zleap | resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolvconf/run/interfaces is not a directoryt |
| 18:32.58 | jim_home | enouf: I think that will do it...just have to see if my configure fails now |
| 18:32.59 | enouf | erm.. resolv.conf is a file :-p |
| 18:33.01 | zleap | what do you get for run in the directory /etc/resolvconf |
| 18:33.07 | extor | Is it safe to turn off exim4 on a web server? what is the point of having port 25 open anyways? |
| 18:33.10 | zleap | it is not resolv.conf |
| 18:33.18 | zleap | i am copying what the error message says |
| 18:33.19 | enouf | jim_home: all headers are separated out into -dev pkgs |
| 18:33.35 | zleap | resolvconf is some sort of configuration program |
| 18:33.39 | zleap | cli based |
| 18:33.40 | Eulex | extor, you need a local mta. it doesn't need to listen to port 25 on any other interface than lo, though. |
| 18:33.44 | enouf | jim_home: well, except linux-headers-pkgname-version |
| 18:33.53 | enouf | !tell jim_home -about b-e |
| 18:34.08 | Eulex | !tell extor about why an mta |
| 18:34.12 | extor | Eulex, what do I need it for? I turned it off just now so how will I suffer? |
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| 18:34.43 | jim_home | enouf: thanks for the tip, I use sources...package managers are weird |
| 18:35.18 | extor | geez kind of a shock to me that exim4 listens on port 25 by default, not very secure out of the box |
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| 18:35.57 | Eulex | extor, it asks you when you configure it. |
| 18:35.59 | enouf | jim_home: apt-cache showsrc <pkgname> ; apt-get build-dep <packagename> ; apt-get source ... etc etc etc |
| 18:36.25 | extor | Eulex, I don't recall it asking me...but then again my webhost configured it |
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| 18:36.39 | Eulex | extor, then it asked your webhost. |
| 18:36.53 | oklinux | I need some advice on installing firefox 3 please |
| 18:36.56 | extor | screams |
| 18:37.10 | Eulex | !wayc jim_home |
| 18:37.10 | dpkg | jim_home: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 18:38.50 | mhymn | oklinux: etch? |
| 18:38.58 | oklinux | yes |
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| 18:39.35 | mhymn | oklinux: google it |
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| 18:39.52 | enouf | extor: i have exim disabled here (using rcconf), dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should help maybe also |
| 18:40.06 | extor | ahhh ok |
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| 18:40.13 | mhymn | oklinux: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/ |
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| 18:41.41 | leoechevarria | hi |
| 18:41.42 | leoechevarria | everybody |
| 18:42.23 | enouf | leoechevarria: oh, i thought you meant only me :-/ |
| 18:42.42 | enouf | doesn't feel so special anymore :-( |
| 18:42.49 | liable | !aww |
| 18:42.49 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 18:43.02 | enouf | dpkg: thanks |
| 18:43.02 | dpkg | enouf: my pleasure |
| 18:43.33 | leoechevarria | enouf: hi! :p |
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| 18:44.42 | mr_flea | I'm having problems with dynamic linking, a 3rd-party package installed libraries to /usr/local/lib, and when I try to start the application that uses them I get a linking error. Is there something like PATH for linking, that I could change? |
| 18:45.08 | leoechevarria | i got an old k6-2 machine with a pci-usb card, and i can't get it to work with debian |
| 18:45.11 | liable | mr_flea: ld_config |
| 18:45.13 | leoechevarria | not even lenny, nor etch |
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| 18:45.41 | leoechevarria | the error i get is the classic "device not accepting address..." |
| 18:45.43 | liable | mr_flea: LD_CONFIG=/patch/to/local/lib .. during build |
| 18:45.57 | leoechevarria | i've tried DSL and usb works, but i want it to work in debian |
| 18:46.03 | liable | mr_flea: or something like that, google should help |
| 18:46.15 | leoechevarria | how can i see dsl config in order to put it in debian or sth like that? |
| 18:46.43 | mr_flea | liable: Thanks, I'll try to figure that out. :) |
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| 18:47.53 | leoechevarria | any help :p ? |
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| 18:48.15 | wols | leoechevarria: the hardware must be recognized first. there is no config for you for dsl until you get the hardware detected |
| 18:48.52 | leoechevarria | wols: that's the problem, it's something with irq, i think |
| 18:49.10 | wols | then change it in BIoS: change slots of PCI cards etc |
| 18:49.19 | wols | but: OT here. ##hardware |
| 18:49.39 | leoechevarria | wols: ... it works on dsl, it's not a hardware problem |
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| 18:51.08 | iLLf8d | if etch is stable and lenny is testing whats the unstable codename? |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | sid |
| 18:51.20 | leoechevarria | SID |
| 18:51.24 | asg | iLLf8d: it's always sid |
| 18:51.34 | leoechevarria | it's the only one that doesn't change |
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| 18:55.12 | iLLf8d | uhrum dpkg has no lenny->sid listed altho it has an etch->lenny I take it that its substitute unstable for testing in sources list? |
| 18:55.42 | enouf | wtf is hardware issues off-topic here? especially when other distros work, and debian doesn't? |
| 18:56.08 | wols | how to assign irq is not a #debian problem |
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| 18:56.37 | wols | provided one's bIOS allows it |
| 18:56.45 | leoechevarria | i agree with enouf, if it's working on other distro, why should it be a hard problem? |
| 18:57.03 | enouf | leoechevarria: try some kernel boot params like pnpacpi=off, pci=routeirq, etc |
| 18:57.15 | leoechevarria | alright, i'll see now |
| 18:57.17 | leoechevarria | thanks enouf |
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| 18:57.56 | tor | enouf, snapshot sounds close |
| 18:58.03 | iLLf8d | forgot it was called sid =P I got sucked into the world of warcraft for a while there now I'm back |
| 18:58.05 | daveyboy | what is tzdata? |
| 18:58.05 | enouf | leoechevarria: note; dsl is using an older 2.4 kernel, not much info you find out from that will be useful |
| 18:58.15 | daveyboy | my server whats to upgrade it |
| 18:58.24 | abrotman | let it |
| 18:58.33 | daveyboy | but what is it? |
| 18:58.35 | dudeman | daveyboy, timezone data |
| 18:58.40 | daveyboy | thanks |
| 18:58.42 | dudeman | sure |
| 18:58.47 | daveyboy | updating |
| 18:58.49 | Eulex | daveyboy, read the package description. |
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| 18:59.03 | leoechevarria | yes, i've considered that enouf |
| 18:59.12 | dudeman | daveyboy, before you had proceeded to upgrade, should have done aptitude show tzdata |
| 18:59.22 | leoechevarria | i've just seen a message in the boot |
| 18:59.35 | daveyboy | not upgraded, will do what you say |
| 18:59.38 | dudeman | daveyboy, or for any package you don't know about what it does |
| 18:59.44 | dudeman | daveyboy, well no need now |
| 18:59.47 | leoechevarria | it suggests it's using a wrong irq, it must be that |
| 18:59.49 | daveyboy | I am too trusting |
| 18:59.52 | dudeman | daveyboy, now you know what it is, just for future reference |
| 18:59.56 | enouf | leoechevarria: also try acpi=force, and acpi=off, which kernel are you using? find kernel /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt for more .. there are tons, but most won't apply |
| 19:00.09 | leoechevarria | i'll try with etch |
| 19:00.11 | leoechevarria | 2.6.18 |
| 19:00.14 | dudeman | daveyboy, if you don't know what a package is when something wants to upgrade it, you should always look to see what it is |
| 19:00.19 | leoechevarria | enouf: do you want me to try them all together? |
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| 19:00.41 | dudeman | daveyboy, if you don't want to interrupt your proces, you can always to go pacakges.debian.org and look at what the package is/does/has |
| 19:00.47 | enouf | leoechevarria: you'll need to go over your BIOS settings as mentioned - and also, disable ISA resources if any - and share IRQs |
| 19:00.54 | enouf | leoechevarria: sure, they can be |
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| 19:01.08 | enouf | leoechevarria: well, not opposing ones ;-) |
| 19:01.26 | leoechevarria | :p |
| 19:01.29 | leoechevarria | enouf: i'll see |
| 19:01.31 | leoechevarria | thanks! |
| 19:01.42 | dudeman | Eulex, btw, i found someone who is willing to admin and host a vps for me as a donation to oswebdev.info |
| 19:01.57 | Eulex | oh |
| 19:02.00 | dudeman | Eulex, for the oss web projects hosting for csv, svn, that stuff you told me about yesterday |
| 19:02.04 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:02.10 | Eulex | ah |
| 19:02.16 | enouf | leoechevarria: better off trying one at a time - also move to other slots, disable something onboard, IIRC, it should like IRQ 9 for USB, but that might be intel only |
| 19:02.35 | daveyboy | when is the boinc client going to be upgraded |
| 19:02.37 | leoechevarria | it said something about irq 5 |
| 19:02.48 | dudeman | daveyboy, what? |
| 19:02.48 | enouf | that's for Audio / SB :-p |
| 19:02.51 | dudeman | daveyboy, who knows... |
| 19:02.53 | daveyboy | boinc |
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| 19:03.11 | leoechevarria | enouf: there's an option called "usb function" and "usb function for DOS" in the bios setuyp, do you think it's something to do with it? |
| 19:03.31 | daveyboy | who does the packaging? |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | daveyboy: apt-cache show |
| 19:03.45 | enouf | leoechevarria: well, say yes to 'usb function' - the dos one is likely for legacy usn |
| 19:03.46 | Eulex | daveyboy, next stable will have 6.2.14. |
| 19:03.48 | enouf | usb |
| 19:03.52 | daveyboy | there is a new better version, maybe there is a problem |
| 19:03.57 | daveyboy | cool |
| 19:04.03 | leoechevarria | oh right, for keyb and those stuff |
| 19:04.09 | enouf | right |
| 19:05.04 | enouf | leoechevarria: does the mainboard already have usb ports/controller? |
| 19:05.18 | leoechevarria | maybe a controller |
| 19:05.23 | leoechevarria | no ports |
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| 19:06.12 | enouf | leoechevarria: well, .. poke around for mainboard header attachments and any jumpers , etc - check your mobo manual |
| 19:06.24 | enouf | leoechevarria: the Chipset would have the controller support |
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| 19:07.01 | enouf | leoechevarria: the South bridge specifically, your Card has it's own chip/controller |
| 19:07.10 | alt_nick | Is there an official debian package for sun's 64-bit JVM? |
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| 19:07.48 | enouf | leoechevarria: want to hear funny? i have a BabyAT p150 with USB on/off in the BIOS - no ports :-p |
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| 19:08.03 | abrotman | enouf: connector on the mobo ? |
| 19:08.19 | leoechevarria | enouf: just like this :p |
| 19:08.27 | enouf | abrotman: never looked close enough |
| 19:08.35 | Eulex | alt_nick, sun-java5-bin on amd64 isn't? |
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| 19:08.58 | alt_nick | Eulex: Doesn't seem to be, can't set the heap size over 3.5GB |
| 19:09.05 | enouf | leoechevarria: but your k6-2 is p2 era ... grah, and my(all) p2 is ATX, and has ports :-) |
| 19:09.22 | Eulex | alt_nick, and you're running debian amd64? |
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| 19:09.42 | alt_nick | I'm running an amd64 kernel, but the original install was i386. That a problem? |
| 19:09.57 | enouf | abrotman: i think the SB Chipset has the support - i mean in it's infancy.. perhaps teh 1st ever USB support |
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| 19:10.37 | Eulex | alt_nick, yes. you've thus got the 32-bit sun-java5-bin package, and you're running debian i386. |
| 19:11.08 | enouf | abrotman: IIRC, it occured just prior to the piix4{e} ... it was added at pii3 time or so |
| 19:11.14 | Eulex | alt_nick, basically, your kernel is 64-bit, the rest is 32-bit. |
| 19:11.23 | alt_nick | Eulex: Ah, ok. Thanks. |
| 19:11.39 | enouf | +x |
| 19:12.42 | leoechevarria | yeaaaahhhhhh |
| 19:13.00 | leoechevarria | i disabled acpi and, so far, my pendrive is in desktop :) |
| 19:13.39 | leoechevarria | thanks enouf :D:D:D |
| 19:13.42 | leoechevarria | and everybody |
| 19:13.55 | ross` | NinjaMan: hey you here |
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| 19:14.06 | NinjaMan | yes ross |
| 19:14.11 | enouf | leoechevarria: cool |
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| 19:14.20 | ross` | how do i make it so apache does stuff to filetypes like |
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| 19:14.26 | ross` | i want it to display .png |
| 19:14.29 | ross` | NOT offer download |
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| 19:14.36 | Baheer | hello all |
| 19:14.49 | ross` | i used to know because i had to set that up when i did my c stuff |
| 19:14.51 | Baheer | I would like to work with Debian localizaiton |
| 19:14.58 | Baheer | can some one help me? |
| 19:14.59 | ross` | but that was ages ago and that stuff is on an old server that isnt online anymore |
| 19:15.24 | abrotman | ross`: you really should be asking #apache |
| 19:15.36 | ross` | i should |
| 19:15.37 | ross` | i know this |
| 19:15.39 | ross` | but i cant |
| 19:15.42 | ross` | did you forget |
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| 19:15.46 | abrotman | and using WAY less enter key |
| 19:15.52 | ross` | sry, i keep hitting the enter key >< i know im trying |
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| 19:17.02 | leoechevarria | what config do you recommend for a usb drive in fstab? |
| 19:17.16 | Eulex | !kill ross`'s enter key |
| 19:17.17 | dpkg | chops ross`'s enter key's head off with a large lead pipe |
| 19:17.40 | Eulex | leoechevarria, will it always be there? |
| 19:17.40 | enouf | leoechevarria: well, noauto for one, if you do use a fstab entry - or use pmount |
| 19:17.52 | NinjaMan | ross': do you have the mime module enabled? |
| 19:17.53 | ross` | anyway can someone tell me what to read then to set what apache does for filetype control |
| 19:17.58 | ross` | NinjaMan: moment |
| 19:17.59 | enouf | leoechevarria: unless, that is your boot drive |
| 19:18.01 | leoechevarria | Eulex: not exactly |
| 19:18.08 | leoechevarria | i'm using xfce, and it appears in the desktop |
| 19:18.10 | ross` | NinjaMan: come back to #dultra, i dont want to spam here accidentally :p |
| 19:18.13 | simonrvn | one of the many reasons why i have him ignored... |
| 19:18.20 | leoechevarria | but when i try to open it, it says it can't find the mount point for the drive |
| 19:18.26 | enouf | leoechevarria: /msg dpkg automount (perhaps) |
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| 19:18.31 | x1938--- | :( |
| 19:18.34 | enouf | leoechevarria: dmesg | tail |
| 19:18.46 | tor | does root on lvm works out of the box? |
| 19:18.54 | enouf | leoechevarria: or .. xfce4's automount options need to be set |
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| 19:19.28 | enouf | leoechevarria: mount is usually /media/* for removable drives |
| 19:19.42 | enouf | i mean, you can alter that - but by default |
| 19:19.44 | x1938--- | x1938 is back and in need of help :S |
| 19:19.48 | tor | (I saw some comments about initrd, and some distro's have it on default) |
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| 19:20.15 | enouf | tor: yes, you need an initrd to boot / on an LVM |
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| 19:20.26 | x1938--- | the kernel got installed but when booting it stops at cd-rom driver revision 3.20 |
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| 19:20.37 | enouf | not sure grub2 device-mapper support has come yet |
| 19:20.40 | x1938--- | then after 5 mins it says "done" |
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| 19:20.49 | x1938--- | then it drops to a shell |
| 19:21.01 | blubberdiblub | tor, and debian uses initrd kernels by default, so that should be okay |
| 19:21.10 | enouf | tor: the installer should guide you through the process |
| 19:21.16 | tor | ok |
| 19:21.25 | enouf | tor: please read the /msg dpkg ig (carefully) |
| 19:21.28 | x1938--- | it tells me dev/hda5 doesnt exists! |
| 19:21.29 | tor | can an lvm spread over two computers? |
| 19:21.37 | x1938--- | what could causes this ? |
| 19:21.59 | Kornholijo | hello, for some reason iceweasel/firefox wont start in amd64 lenny, any reason for that? (There were some not found libs, but now the firefox-bin just exits) |
| 19:22.18 | enouf | CLVM maybe tor ? .. i know LVM can be spread across disks easily |
| 19:22.26 | x1938--- | enouf : any idea ? |
| 19:22.33 | blubberdiblub | enouf: grub2 can access lvm volumes, but there are still some problems, if you're unlucky |
| 19:22.50 | enouf | righto - check the channel :-p |
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| 19:22.58 | DaBonBon | can i have apple laptop like multi touch support on my laptop touchpad in linux? the laptop is an acer one with synaptics touchpad. |
| 19:23.03 | enouf | x1938---: i need to read .. hold |
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| 19:23.20 | enouf | !5min |
| 19:23.26 | x1938--- | yes |
| 19:23.30 | enouf | oh wait - that was the 5% debacle |
| 19:23.36 | enouf | sorry |
| 19:23.46 | enouf | x1938---: which installer? what's your hardware? |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | DaBonBon: and the acer one doesn't run debian |
| 19:23.53 | simonrvn | !wake up enouf |
| 19:24.03 | x1938--- | i made a deb file for the kernel |
| 19:24.05 | x1938--- | and installed it |
| 19:24.07 | enouf | x1938---: try this "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" |
| 19:24.11 | enouf | what? |
| 19:24.14 | enouf | sata? |
| 19:24.15 | x1938--- | installed correctly without errors |
| 19:24.24 | DaBonBon | abrotman: i am not talking about the acer aspire one. i have an acer travelmate 3260 |
| 19:24.26 | tor | can lvm do raid1 for redundancy? |
| 19:24.27 | x1938--- | its a laptop |
| 19:24.35 | enouf | has to run - bbl |
| 19:26.22 | simonrvn | !wake up enouf |
| 19:26.22 | dpkg | grabs an IV full of caffeine and injects it into enouf's arm |
| 19:26.29 | ross` | hey i want to create a package for debian |
| 19:26.36 | ross` | how do i become a package maintainer for my package |
| 19:26.43 | ross` | who do i talk too and stuff |
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| 19:27.33 | hoxu | !tell ross` about nmg |
| 19:28.05 | eljefe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.28 | leoechevarria | is there a possibility that if i am a common user and i created the mount point for the usb drive being root, i can't write in the folder because of that? |
| 19:28.44 | leoechevarria | or is it usually because of the mount options? |
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| 19:28.52 | eljefe | i believe so, you have to change the ownership or at least permissions for other users |
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| 19:29.03 | mhymn | eljefe: /etc/init.d/kdm start ? |
| 19:29.28 | eljefe | cool thanks |
| 19:30.04 | dudeman | hey |
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| 19:30.06 | dudeman | The Chief! |
| 19:30.08 | dudeman | whats up man |
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| 19:30.54 | oklinux | how do I remove the games in debian etch I cant find any games installed in synaptic |
| 19:31.11 | dudeman | look in the games section |
| 19:31.16 | dudeman | synatpci has sections |
| 19:31.40 | blubberdiblub | tor: lvm can do mirroring of logical volumes, but that's not exactly the same as raid1. if you want raid1, you can have md (linux software raid) do it (and then create lvm volumes on top of that). or read up on the mirroring feature of lvm and decide if that's the way to go for you |
| 19:31.43 | leoechevarria | i think it's gnome-games oklinux |
| 19:31.47 | dudeman | like docs, games, etc. etc. |
| 19:31.55 | dudeman | leoechevarria, what if he doesn't run gnome...? |
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| 19:32.17 | tor | blubberdiblub, thanks |
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| 19:32.43 | tor | I think that what I want is a cluster |
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| 19:33.28 | leoechevarria | dudeman: i mean, it's the most common package for games in etch |
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| 19:34.01 | dudeman | alright then ;) |
| 19:34.33 | dudeman | !joomla |
| 19:34.51 | wols | leoechevarria: depends on the filesystem of the usb drive you mount. is it fat or ntfs? |
| 19:35.02 | leoechevarria | fat |
| 19:35.15 | oklinux | leoechevarria, that took it off now how do I update the menu the game icon still there ? |
| 19:35.18 | wols | !tell leoechevarria about vfazrw |
| 19:35.30 | leoechevarria | oklinux: are you using gnome? |
| 19:35.31 | simonrvn | that thing has had more exploits than phpbb2 |
| 19:35.32 | dudeman | oklinux, debian menu? update-menus (in the menu package) |
| 19:35.34 | wols | !tell leoechevarria about vfa6rw |
| 19:35.38 | dudeman | the gnome menu? no idea |
| 19:35.43 | simonrvn | vfatz ? :) |
| 19:35.49 | wols | leoechevarria: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:35.49 | dudeman | fatz? |
| 19:35.56 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 19:35.58 | leoechevarria | oklinux: if you're using gnome, go to desktop, preferences, and something like main menu |
| 19:36.03 | simonrvn | i typoed it too |
| 19:36.05 | dudeman | heh |
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| 19:36.08 | leoechevarria | you can add or disable thins there |
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| 19:36.33 | betz | Hi i just installed debian and restarted but i just see a command line, no graphical os. Somebody told me to 'aptitude kdm kde xorg' but it just shows some help, what to do? (its my 3th debian install now, still not getting in :)) |
| 19:36.46 | dudeman | betz, ok stop |
| 19:36.52 | dudeman | betz, which screen are you on currently? |
| 19:36.59 | simonrvn | betz: they gave you an incorrect command; man aptitude, or aptitude --help |
| 19:37.09 | dudeman | oh |
| 19:37.15 | dudeman | I thought he meant the debconf help screens |
| 19:37.19 | dudeman | right he is missing the install arg |
| 19:37.23 | simonrvn | um, still not getting in? did you login yet? |
| 19:37.32 | dudeman | it* |
| 19:37.34 | dudeman | probably |
| 19:37.47 | dudeman | betz, aptitude install kde xorg |
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| 19:37.53 | dudeman | kdm comes with the full kde package |
| 19:37.57 | simonrvn | well he's "in" then, isn't he ;) |
| 19:38.03 | dudeman | betz, or you can try kde-core kdm xorg |
| 19:38.15 | betz | k, will try, 2sec |
| 19:38.25 | jhutchins_lt | how do I tell which version I'm running? |
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| 19:38.35 | dudeman | !version |
| 19:38.35 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 19:38.38 | simonrvn | version of what? |
| 19:38.43 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 19:38.45 | jhutchins_lt | debian |
| 19:39.01 | dudeman | run the apt-cache policy command on libc6 and grep 500 |
| 19:39.02 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Sometimes the docs refer to the release number, sometimes the name. |
| 19:39.07 | dudeman | jhutchins_lt, or look inside your sources.list |
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| 19:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | or cat /etc/motd. |
| 19:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | etchnhalf. |
| 19:39.51 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:39.54 | dudeman | never used it |
| 19:39.59 | dudeman | still on etch pure |
| 19:40.02 | simonrvn | still stable/4.0 |
| 19:40.06 | dudeman | yup |
| 19:40.12 | dudeman | well for my servers |
| 19:40.19 | dudeman | I run sid lappy and desktoppy |
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| 19:40.30 | dudeman | and lenny server for a lamp |
| 19:40.47 | oklinux | under application /deb/games there are games folder there how do I remove that leoechevarria ? |
| 19:40.57 | simonrvn | lights up dudeman's lamp "you needed a light bulb" |
| 19:41.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:41.02 | dudeman | hehe |
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| 19:41.13 | wols | oklinux: find out what packages own the file(s) there |
| 19:41.18 | ryan8403 | anyone any good at partition recovery? |
| 19:41.21 | wols | then uninstall them |
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| 19:41.32 | wols | !tell ryan8403 about anyone |
| 19:41.34 | dudeman | ryan8403, ask |
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| 19:42.02 | leoechevarria | wols: i'm trying to be able to write in fat, but still mounting it as user |
| 19:42.18 | leoechevarria | if i put a /dev/sda1 /media/usb auto rw,user 0 0 |
| 19:42.21 | leoechevarria | gnome mounts it |
| 19:42.27 | leoechevarria | but that's where i can't write |
| 19:42.34 | wols | leoechevarria: I gave you a factoid which tells you how |
| 19:42.52 | wols | leoechevarria: and read man fstab |
| 19:43.27 | ryan8403 | wols, sorry, I was moving a partition on a disk when my system locked up, the partition is now unreadable and is marked as type unknown I've tried fsck but it tells me bad magic number in superblock |
| 19:43.34 | dudeman | leoechevarria, its probably because your user doesn't have permissions to write to the /mount/point |
| 19:43.45 | wols | ryan8403: source or dest partition? |
| 19:43.46 | mentalmonkey | after an upgrade to xorg (1:7.3+18) my laptop has lost a hotkey fn-f6 for which I used xbindkeys to associate to a locking to, slock. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can try to get this functionality back without downgrading? |
| 19:43.58 | wols | dudeman: no it's not |
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| 19:44.07 | dudeman | wols, ok |
| 19:44.44 | ryan8403 | wols, source. I was resizing and extending two ext3 partitions on the same physical drive |
| 19:44.45 | leoechevarria | dudeman: ohhh right |
| 19:44.47 | leoechevarria | how do i change it :p ? |
| 19:44.51 | dudeman | you don't |
| 19:44.56 | dudeman | mount your usb to ~/usb |
| 19:45.04 | wols | ryan8403: that's why you must do backups |
| 19:45.08 | dudeman | perhaps that isn't the case anyway |
| 19:45.14 | dudeman | I'm not positive, wols is helping you, let him |
| 19:45.27 | leoechevarria | dudeman: do you mean /home/user/usb for trying? |
| 19:45.31 | wols | leoechevarria: you need to set uid and gid options |
| 19:45.38 | dudeman | leoechevarria, anywhere in /home/user |
| 19:45.39 | ryan8403 | wols, yeah I know...and I started to and stopped thinking it was just a minor move no big deal... |
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| 19:45.46 | michael_1 | how do i sync both ways with rsync, i.e. if the client has changed its file last the server recieves the difference else the client gets updated? i tried -avuz but then i have to sync the client first then the server by two x -avuz ? |
| 19:46.01 | leoechevarria | wols: but if i do that, i only can mount it as root |
| 19:46.05 | leoechevarria | and not with the gnome applet |
| 19:46.07 | wols | leoechevarria: wrong |
| 19:46.08 | leoechevarria | it works now! |
| 19:46.10 | leoechevarria | using ~ |
| 19:46.11 | dudeman | leoechevarria, I was about to just mention, on your mount command, or options, specify rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 (the nubmer here is the uid/gid of your user) |
| 19:46.12 | wols | leoechevarria: you can set it in fstab |
| 19:46.14 | oklinux | how do I find what packages own the files for the games folder ? wols |
| 19:46.20 | dudeman | leoechevarria, of coruse |
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| 19:46.24 | dudeman | wols doesn't know jack |
| 19:46.25 | wols | oklinux: man dpkg |
| 19:46.33 | dudeman | I told you its the mount point perm issue |
| 19:46.37 | leoechevarria | :) |
| 19:46.40 | leoechevarria | alright, problem solved |
| 19:46.43 | leoechevarria | you're great people |
| 19:46.45 | leoechevarria | loves! :p |
| 19:46.50 | dudeman | so are you! |
| 19:46.54 | dudeman | love you too bro |
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| 19:47.01 | dudeman | good luck with your debian adventures |
| 19:47.32 | leoechevarria | :) |
| 19:47.33 | leoechevarria | byeeee |
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| 19:48.12 | leoechevarria | saludosss |
| 19:48.33 | wols | best ignore the junkie moron |
| 19:48.38 | ryan8403 | any suggestions on how to recover an ext3 partition with a bad magic number in the super block? |
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| 19:48.48 | dudeman | wols, please refrain from namecalling. |
| 19:48.57 | dudeman | stew, ^^ |
| 19:49.17 | simonrvn | "junkie moron"? wtf |
| 19:49.18 | wols | ryan8403: if the magic number is wrong chances are other things are too. there are other superblocks, but anything on this partition is suspect |
| 19:49.38 | ryan8403 | wols how can I find the other super blocks |
| 19:49.41 | wols | either you have backups or the data was worthless and not worth recovering |
| 19:50.04 | wols | depends on where mkfs wrote them iirc |
| 19:50.43 | blubberdiblub | ryan8403, man fsck.ext3 and read about the -b option |
| 19:51.29 | mentalmonkey | so from reading dmesg I have 'atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x8a on isa0060/serio0).' so at least I have a reason now |
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| 19:53.21 | Traveler7 | hi all |
| 19:54.07 | Traveler7 | I've an ati radeon 9200se, RV280, and with "radeon" default driver the 3d goes slow... could I install the proprietary one for this card? |
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| 19:54.21 | wols | Traveler7: no. run glxinfo |
| 19:54.55 | pipeline | Traveler7: there are three parts to a graphics driver |
| 19:55.01 | pipeline | Traveler7: open gl library, X11 driver, and kernel driver |
| 19:55.08 | pipeline | Traveler7: I bet you have the first two sewn up, but the kernel driver isn't loaded. |
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| 19:55.54 | Traveler7 | direct rendering: No |
| 19:56.09 | AbsintheSyringe | weird enough but my lenny won't read both blank or burned dvd's |
| 19:56.14 | Traveler7 | excuseme, what modules should I load? |
| 19:56.19 | Eulex | Traveler7, do *not* attempt to use fglrx with that card, it doesn't support it. |
| 19:56.22 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, you have a dvd player? |
| 19:56.25 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, dvd drive? |
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| 19:56.35 | Eulex | Traveler7, what X driver are you using? |
| 19:56.48 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, yea |
| 19:56.54 | dudeman | just making sure |
| 19:56.55 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:57.02 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, it reads cdroms? |
| 19:57.14 | AbsintheSyringe | yea was wondering what what was that question all about :) |
| 19:57.16 | Traveler7 | Eulex: the radeon one, on lenny i386 |
| 19:57.30 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, by reading you mean hardware wise or some software in debian that can't rad it |
| 19:57.33 | dudeman | rad* |
| 19:57.41 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, I am thinking if this isn't related to ##hardware |
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| 19:57.47 | wladston | when I try to view a folder, nautilus freezes. Checked on the command line for invalid filenames already, found nohing. Ideas ? |
| 19:57.55 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, let me check, it reads dvd's when trying to boot it or something |
| 19:58.04 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, it was working till yesterday, I just noticed this |
| 19:58.05 | pipeline | wladston: stop hald |
| 19:58.14 | Eulex | Traveler7, that one supports 3d accel with your card. is the radeon kernel module loaded? |
| 19:58.15 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, any changes or updates in software? |
| 19:58.30 | oklinux | any one run fvwm in debian ? |
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| 19:58.38 | dudeman | !anyone |
| 19:58.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 19:58.52 | dudeman | oklinux, if you ask an 'anyone' question again it will not be good |
| 19:59.08 | Traveler7 | Eulex: lsmod | grep radeon radeon 118688 2 drm 65256 3 radeon |
| 19:59.18 | oklinux | sorry dudeman |
| 19:59.20 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, yep, cd's aren't working either, yea few changes here and there, but it's all the same |
| 19:59.34 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, probably a drive going bad |
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| 19:59.41 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, does dmsg show any errors? |
| 19:59.46 | dudeman | dmesg* |
| 20:00.00 | streuner_ | oklinux: there are a number of well configured window-manager in Debian, just try openbox, fluxbox or wmaker |
| 20:00.00 | Eulex | Traveler7, does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo output anything more of interest? |
| 20:00.20 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, nah nothing |
| 20:00.26 | dudeman | hm |
| 20:00.37 | dudeman | bah |
| 20:00.38 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, was there a recent update to lenny .26 kernel? |
| 20:00.52 | dudeman | I can't remember |
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| 20:00.59 | AbsintheSyringe | cuz I think after this last update, few days ago, there was update to kernel image, and since then it's not working |
| 20:01.06 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, it could be related to some kernel issue I am not aware of |
| 20:01.20 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, how about loading a live cd or another distro with a diff stable kernel? |
| 20:01.23 | oklinux | I like to try fvwm streuner_ |
| 20:01.24 | wladston | pipeline: sorry, but I coudn't find how to stop hald ... it's not on my /etc/rdx.c/ ! |
| 20:01.29 | dudeman | AbsintheSyringe, can you boot of that dvd drive? |
| 20:01.33 | dudeman | off* |
| 20:01.36 | Traveler7 | eulex: libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch) |
| 20:01.52 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, hah! I was right, permission issues, just booted it with root permissions |
| 20:02.04 | streuner_ | oklinux: well, i know only one person in Debian who using fvwm... |
| 20:02.05 | AbsintheSyringe | dudeman, not sure how this happened tho :/ |
| 20:02.28 | streuner_ | oklinux: oh, 2 :-) |
| 20:02.32 | dudeman | great |
| 20:02.44 | oklinux | I have not install fvwm yet |
| 20:02.52 | dudeman | !xwinman |
| 20:02.52 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 20:02.55 | dudeman | oklinux, look here |
| 20:03.03 | wladston | .... |
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| 20:03.10 | streuner_ | oklinux: just try fluxbox, its well configured by default and easy to use |
| 20:03.27 | dudeman | ice is close to a 95 look |
| 20:03.31 | streuner_ | oklinux: and light, for a start a good thing |
| 20:03.54 | dudeman | streuner_, hey you have a tail... |
| 20:03.54 | dudeman | ;) |
| 20:03.55 | oklinux | I got xfce install and fvwm work well with xfce |
| 20:04.07 | dudeman | you can run xfce apps inside of fvwm sure |
| 20:04.07 | Eulex | Traveler7, pastebin ld -r -v /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so |
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| 20:04.27 | dudeman | oklinux, xfce is a desktop env. whereas fvwm is a mere window manager |
| 20:04.27 | unstable | How can I find out..when I execute a command..where the file is? in my PATH |
| 20:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a meta-package for kde? |
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| 20:04.42 | dudeman | oklinux, xfce includes a window manager, a desktop manager, and other stuff, whereas fvwm is just a window manager |
| 20:04.51 | dudeman | jhutchins_lt, it IS a metapackage itself |
| 20:04.54 | Eulex | unstable, which cat |
| 20:05.00 | dudeman | !install kde |
| 20:05.00 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 20:05.03 | dudeman | jhutchins_lt, ^^ |
| 20:05.12 | abrotman | dudeman: try using !tell |
| 20:05.19 | dudeman | abrotman, ok, will do. |
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| 20:06.06 | Traveler7 | http://pastebin.com/m5b00135a |
| 20:06.11 | Traveler7 | (for Eulex) |
| 20:06.26 | unstable | Eulex: When I type the full command path "/usr/local/bin/pioneers" it works fine. but when I type "pioneers" it tells me "bash: /usr/games/pioneers: No such file or directory", and wheN I type "which pioneers" it says "/usr/local/bin/pioneers" |
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| 20:07.26 | Eulex | Traveler7, ah, sorry, ldd, not ld |
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| 20:10.17 | jhutchins_lt | dudeman: Thanks. Need to add X & KDE to an ltsp setup. |
| 20:10.32 | Traveler7 | eulex: http://pastebin.com/m7199aeee |
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| 20:10.51 | dudeman | jhutchins_lt, cool |
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| 20:11.54 | jchaiken | Hi. My network cards are showing up out of order. I fixed this probelm once before but dont remember how. Can anyone help? |
| 20:12.08 | simonrvn | unstable: add /usr/local/bin to your PATH |
| 20:12.21 | Eulex | Traveler7, did you install fglrx? |
| 20:13.01 | Traveler7 | Eulex, yes, the one in the official lenny repository, but I'm using radeon |
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| 20:13.37 | Eulex | Traveler7, remove it. they conflict. |
| 20:13.48 | Eulex | Traveler7, it replaces libGL.so.1 with its own. |
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| 20:16.05 | oklinux | thank for the help guys |
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| 20:17.10 | Traveler7 | Euler, after removing it should I edit something more? Because before I installed fglrx, the problem was the same, no 3d acceleration |
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| 20:18.14 | Eulex | Traveler7, after removing it, re-run glxinfo and see what you get now. no restart required. |
| 20:18.32 | Traveler7 | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 20:19.18 | daveyboy | aticonfig |
| 20:19.32 | Eulex | Traveler7, so you have 3d acceleration. |
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| 20:20.39 | betz | dudeman: can i install kde from dvd? i always get a failed to fetch... using lenny with mirror from belgium |
| 20:21.02 | dudeman | *afk# |
| 20:21.09 | dudeman | ask someone else |
| 20:21.12 | betz | ok |
| 20:21.19 | betz | someone else? =) |
| 20:21.27 | jchaiken | My network cards are showing up out of order. I fixed this probelm once before but dont remember how. Can anyone help? |
| 20:21.55 | abrotman | !tell jchaiken about z25 |
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| 20:22.49 | Traveler7 | thanks eulex ;) |
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| 20:22.59 | Eulex | Traveler7, yw |
| 20:23.05 | Zharf | eww |
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| 20:24.09 | skyjumper | using lenny with nfs-kernel-server on both machines, neither "all_squash" or "root_squash" are having any effect |
| 20:24.12 | skyjumper | any ideas? |
| 20:25.33 | dudeman | back |
| 20:25.45 | dudeman | I ran out of skittles had to find my bag in the pantry |
| 20:25.50 | dudeman | ok betz |
| 20:26.07 | dudeman | betz, use apt-cdrom and put in your etch dvd and have fun |
| 20:26.34 | dudeman | betz, you can try another mirror, and update, and then try to install kde, a mirror shouldn't fail |
| 20:26.56 | dudeman | !tell betz -about mirrors |
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| 20:27.35 | dudeman | !ping |
| 20:27.36 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:28.06 | dudeman | eats a green skittle |
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| 20:30.46 | ryan8403 | wols, thanks for your help, thankfully was able to recover the partition and the fs with testdisk |
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| 20:40.51 | skyjumper | who has used all_squash successfully with the kernel nfs server? |
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| 20:44.23 | AbsintheSyringe | that read/burn dvd problem I just had/figured is actually a powertop bug, will make sure I report it |
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| 20:45.39 | ManyX | I need help with debian amd64 and wine |
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| 20:46.08 | ManyX | or where can I find help |
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| 20:48.22 | Mundus | ManyX: If it's a wine problem, then I'd suggest the wine chan |
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| 20:49.36 | ManyX | Mundus: what is the adress of this channel |
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| 20:50.50 | x1938--- | ...kernel 2.6.27 hangs after "waiting for root file system" for about 5 mins then |
| 20:51.04 | x1938--- | it drops to a shell |
| 20:51.13 | maligor | lvm? |
| 20:51.19 | x1938--- | any ideas ? |
| 20:51.32 | dextervip | hey,how can i know what's my actual ftp server? |
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| 20:52.55 | x1938--- | before it drops to that simple shell it says "/bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off" |
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| 20:54.58 | x1938--- | maligor : i dont think so |
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| 20:55.23 | maligor | your own kernel configuration? |
| 20:55.33 | x1938--- | yes |
| 20:55.45 | x1938--- | i used .config |
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| 20:56.21 | maligor | can't really think of a reason why mount would timeout? |
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| 20:56.48 | x1938--- | its weird... |
| 20:57.12 | maddash | hello. Debian's release cycle is way too slow. I am installing Ubuntu now. Farewell. |
| 20:57.18 | mike1o | !debian-live |
| 20:57.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ , or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 20:57.22 | Octalot | bye then |
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| 20:57.26 | webmind_ | Hi , i'm using exim4 with clamav, and it's not workin anymore since a vew days, is this issue known to anyone ? |
| 20:57.28 | maligor | heh |
| 20:57.30 | octox2 | why is there a program named [ ? |
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| 20:57.42 | octox2 | in usr/bin |
| 20:57.43 | maddash | Do not be sad, it was fun while it lasted. |
| 20:57.54 | maligor | octox2, man [ |
| 20:58.15 | octox2 | dont have a man for it ? |
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| 20:58.33 | maligor | it tests an expression |
| 20:58.42 | octox2 | ok i have one |
| 20:59.13 | x1938--- | its saying /dev/hds5 doesnt exist! |
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| 20:59.41 | Octalot | that doesn't answer the "WHY is there a program named [" though. I think it's back in the dawn of Unix. |
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| 21:00.02 | maligor | the mysteries of [ |
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| 21:01.17 | x1938--- | let me put it this way : why would a kernel not have access to hds5 ? |
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| 21:04.06 | awesomejpg_minf | hrhr, lenny running on my eee! GREAT! |
| 21:04.39 | x1938--- | the damn thing cant access the root file sys :``( |
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| 21:06.14 | Octalot | x1938 - what does ls -l /dev/hds5 say? |
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| 21:06.45 | Octalot | and do you really have about 20 hard drives? |
| 21:07.24 | x1938--- | 1 min |
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| 21:08.02 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 21:08.04 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.27.2, snapshot: 2.6.27-git8, 2.4: 2.4.36.7, prepatch: 2.4.37-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.27-rc5-mm1 |
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| 21:09.29 | embkas | using ethe - trying to copy a movie (800 mb) from a usb-stick to my computer - but it stops. Why does it stop? |
| 21:09.39 | embkas | etch |
| 21:10.01 | dudeman | sudo shutdown -r now |
| 21:10.03 | dudeman | oops |
| 21:10.05 | x1938--- | Octalot : its sda5 |
| 21:10.08 | cloakable | embkas: using what? kde, gnome, command line? |
| 21:10.09 | x1938--- | ls -1 /dev/sda5 |
| 21:10.12 | pumpkin0 | embkas: disk full? |
| 21:10.28 | x1938--- | outputs /dev/sda5 |
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| 21:10.29 | embkas | cloakable: tried kde - now command line - the same result |
| 21:10.48 | cloakable | embkas: 800mb space free? |
| 21:11.12 | embkas | pumpkin0: no - I got a message now - in/out error |
| 21:11.44 | embkas | the speed is ok in the beginning - but it decreases until it stops |
| 21:11.52 | pumpkin0 | embkas: old and/or cheap usb-stick ? |
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| 21:12.00 | patco444 | The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 21:12.05 | Octalot | x1938: ls minus ell, not ls minus one |
| 21:12.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^^ patco444 |
| 21:12.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:12.33 | embkas | pumpkin0: sony diskman - loaded the movie up from another PC with ubuntu hard - the seppd was ok |
| 21:12.36 | simonrvn | hi |
| 21:12.43 | abrotman | gone! |
| 21:12.57 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 21:13.10 | simonrvn | kick his ass anyway ;p |
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| 21:13.48 | dudeman | huh |
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| 21:14.11 | dudeman | oh spam |
| 21:14.13 | pumpkin0 | embkas: try to read the file on another PC. |
| 21:15.00 | pumpkin0 | embkas: or asking the other was round: did you umount before you pulled the stick? |
| 21:15.44 | x1938--- | you mean -ll octalot ? well that would output brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 2008-10-18 09:34 /dev/sda5 |
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| 21:16.38 | embkas | pumpkin0: yes |
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| 21:16.43 | embkas | got to go - by |
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| 21:18.26 | derjens | hello everybody |
| 21:18.30 | dudeman | hi |
| 21:18.37 | derjens | you can recommend any program to log server cpu usage? |
| 21:19.08 | derjens | i'ld like to have an overview over how the server is used over the day... best would be some program giving a graphics file |
| 21:19.19 | derjens | any ideas? |
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| 21:19.47 | mike1o | how do I tar.bz something from a remote ssh system? |
| 21:20.33 | derjens | mike1o, just connect via ssh and run "tar -zvcf destination.tar.bz src1 src2 src" |
| 21:21.24 | mike1o | derjens, but there isn't enough space left to write the tar.bz locally |
| 21:21.34 | derjens | mike1o, ahh |
| 21:21.40 | mike1o | id like to pipe it over ssh to another system |
| 21:21.45 | mike1o | kinda tricky |
| 21:21.55 | mike1o | I guess im too lazy to figure that out |
| 21:22.14 | derjens | well, i know that tar can handle data from pipes and i am pretty sure that ssh can pipe data, but i have no clue how it works |
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| 21:22.43 | derjens | mike1o, propably downloading all files without compression is faster than figuring out how it works;-) |
| 21:23.01 | tosse_ | in the current lenny netboot kernel broken? it doesnt seem to be able to download any modules |
| 21:23.08 | mike1o | derjens, I know but I like challanges ;-) |
| 21:23.26 | ManyX | I need help with debian amd64 and wine I get htis :-bash: /usr/bin/wine: cannot execute binary file |
| 21:23.43 | derjens | have a look at ssh's manpage. i feel like it could pipe stuff |
| 21:24.15 | mike1o | derjens, Ive done it b4 two listen over mp3's remotely |
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| 21:29.12 | initq | whats going here |
| 21:29.22 | initq | when did the change take place? |
| 21:29.35 | initq | i mean at what kernel version? |
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| 21:33.20 | x1938--- | in the linux kernel conf |
| 21:33.31 | x1938--- | i cant find a place to enable sata drivers |
| 21:33.38 | x1938--- | any idea ? |
| 21:33.45 | initq | use the search, the / |
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| 21:34.05 | x1938--- | ty |
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| 21:35.17 | jhouse | How do I know what actions a .deb file takes? dpkg-deb gives some information. --info and --contents seem useful, but it's not complete info. Also, is there any way that I can have the contents go to a different location? |
| 21:35.35 | jhouse | usually uses very basic package control such as apt-get install foo |
| 21:35.50 | simonrvn | the .deb doesn't take any actions, it's dpkg that does |
| 21:36.06 | jhouse | Ok, so how do I know what dpkg will do? |
| 21:36.21 | simonrvn | dpkg --help |
| 21:36.21 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 21:36.30 | x1938--- | :D |
| 21:36.37 | Guerin | dpkg: you win |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 21:38.27 | x1938--- | how can i know what drivers im using for my sata hds atm ? |
| 21:38.39 | Guerin | x1938---: lsmod |
| 21:39.27 | Facedown | is there a way i can uninstall a package and related modules? say i installed GHC interactive interpreter for haskell version 6.6 directly from debian.org and not backports.. im gonna try to add backports and get a higher more stable release - what should I do? upgrade or remove? would upgrading mess things up? |
| 21:39.27 | x1938--- | i need to configure a kernel but i dont know what sata driver to pick |
| 21:39.28 | x1938--- | ty |
| 21:39.28 | mentalmonkey | wow I first used gnome keysettings - or what ever it's called then switched to xbindkeys and now I realize xbindkeys sucks just as bad and it's time to use setkeycodes+loadkeys this is great |
| 21:39.28 | jhouse | "dpkg --help" doesn't list any option for printing what would be done without doing anything. "dpkg --root" looks like what I'd need to put things somewhere else, but I don't know if I need to do that or not. |
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| 21:40.04 | streuner_ | Guerin: mpg321 http://208.53.138.232:8030 |
| 21:40.40 | x1938--- | whats all this : snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixe ?? |
| 21:40.53 | Guerin | streuner_: is it blues? |
| 21:40.58 | streuner_ | Guerin: nah |
| 21:41.28 | streuner_ | Guerin: Emerson, Lake and Palmer ;-) |
| 21:41.41 | streuner_ | x1938---: ALSA modules |
| 21:42.24 | Guerin | streuner_: rawkus |
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| 21:45.21 | x1938--- | guerin : i cant find the drivers used for my sata drives using that command |
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| 21:46.09 | x1938--- | is it libata ? |
| 21:46.13 | streuner_ | if you arent able to find these driver, you shouldnt compile a kernel |
| 21:46.32 | Ejdesgaard| | hi, i could use a bit of help.... |
| 21:46.33 | Ejdesgaard| | $ screen .r |
| 21:46.33 | Ejdesgaard| | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check. |
| 21:46.37 | Guerin | x1938---: try harder |
| 21:46.45 | Ejdesgaard| | howto fix that? |
| 21:47.09 | Ejdesgaard| | it's screen -r ofc... |
| 21:47.27 | x1938--- | try harder ? hehe |
| 21:48.00 | x1938--- | well when you get "/dev/sda5 doesnt exists" from then new compiled kernel |
| 21:48.06 | x1938--- | im not sure how harder i need to try |
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| 21:49.03 | x1938--- | but i used .config , shouldnt the drivers used on the running kernel be used by the one being compiled ? |
| 21:50.48 | Ejdesgaard| | X1938, are you sure it's not called /dev/hda? |
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| 21:51.10 | x1938--- | yes |
| 21:51.14 | x1938--- | its sda5 |
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| 21:51.42 | streuner_ | x1938---: show us the output of "fdisk -l" in paste.debian.net |
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| 21:53.26 | x1938--- | no need for pastebin , bash: fdisk: command not found |
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| 21:54.16 | x1938--- | ops! wasnt as root :S |
| 21:54.55 | GhostlyDeath | NEVAR LOG IN AZ ROOT!!1 |
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| 21:56.27 | x1938--- | http://paste.debian.net/19523/plain/19523 |
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| 21:58.19 | streuner_ | and you are using udev? |
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| 21:58.26 | x1938--- | whats wrong with it being sda ? |
| 21:58.33 | x1938--- | whats udev ? |
| 21:58.53 | streuner_ | !udev |
| 21:58.53 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
| 21:59.58 | webmind_ | problem solved. |
| 22:00.24 | streuner_ | Why are try to compile a kernel if you dont know about udev at all? |
| 22:00.31 | streuner_ | you* |
| 22:00.58 | x1938--- | i've compiled one already its not working properly |
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| 22:01.12 | x1938--- | i need to compile it again. |
| 22:01.35 | x1938--- | my acpi and sound card arent working well at the same time |
| 22:01.52 | x1938--- | one has to be off for the other to work. |
| 22:01.54 | streuner_ | laptop? |
| 22:02.31 | streuner_ | x1938---: lenny or sid? |
| 22:03.28 | x1938--- | laptop , stable etch |
| 22:03.50 | streuner_ | and what makes you think, that another kernel (selfmade) running better? |
| 22:04.03 | streuner_ | oh, newer kernel, ic |
| 22:04.40 | streuner_ | if so, just /msg dpkg backports |
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| 22:05.06 | streuner_ | and /msg dpkg laptops, there are some tips and trics (in most cases) for laptops |
| 22:05.34 | Yorlik | Can i use the AMD64 Debianfor 64 bit Xeons ? |
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| 22:06.58 | beware | yes, look for the tag "EM64T" |
| 22:07.04 | beware | which is the same thing as AMD64 |
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| 22:11.53 | x1938--- | which driver is for the libata module in the linux kernel config ? |
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| 22:14.15 | zob | hey x1938---, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 22:14.55 | streuner_ | He is trying to fix a problem, but dont know what the problem is |
| 22:15.14 | streuner_ | so he just want compile a kernel with none experience |
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| 22:16.44 | x1938--- | the problem didnt exist when i booted ubnutu for the cd that was using a newer kernel |
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| 22:16.57 | Gm4n | what are the usual steps to look for the cause of a freeze in the logs? Neither messages nor kern.log show anything (messages is missing marks during the time the box was frozen) |
| 22:16.58 | x1938--- | after i had updated the bios |
| 22:17.21 | x1938--- | zob: the problem is that the acpi and sound card arent working well at the same time |
| 22:17.30 | x1938--- | one has to be off for the other to work |
| 22:17.34 | streuner_ | Gm4n: /msg dpkg mark |
| 22:17.40 | x1938--- | i compiled a newer kernel hoping that would fix it |
| 22:17.41 | extor | what is the easiest video editor---from which I can snip parts of avi, mpg wmv movies? |
| 22:18.28 | x1938--- | turns out after i booted into the newer kernel that it didnt have access to the root file system |
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| 22:19.43 | Gm4n | streuner_: yes, I know, my system DID crash (15 hours of marks missing). Where do I look in the logs to try and discover the actual cause of failure? |
| 22:19.44 | zob | x1938---: and do you have SCSI disk support compiled in and correct kernel driver for your controller? |
| 22:20.09 | x1938--- | is that for sata support ? |
| 22:20.10 | streuner_ | Gm4n: if you have no logs, it would be hard then... |
| 22:20.16 | zob | is it SATA controller right? |
| 22:20.22 | x1938--- | yes |
| 22:20.27 | zob | yeah, you need SCSCI disk support |
| 22:20.36 | enouf | waves hello to simonrvn from the intravenous coffee house |
| 22:20.37 | x1938--- | ok thx |
| 22:20.57 | simonrvn | x1938---: so take the ubuntu config, enable your device and fs as built-in <*>, not <M> |
| 22:21.02 | simonrvn | entro: :D |
| 22:21.07 | simonrvn | entro: woops |
| 22:21.12 | simonrvn | enouf: :D |
| 22:21.13 | enouf | haha |
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| 22:21.42 | x1938--- | ill be back :D |
| 22:21.45 | Gm4n | streuner_: there are no MARKs, but I have other logfiles. I just don't know which ones to look at... |
| 22:22.04 | zob | thats another thing. if you dont use initrd make everything you need to boot built-in. with * |
| 22:22.07 | simonrvn | entro: well, :D to you too; i don't know you, have a smile anyway |
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| 22:33.45 | pleed_ | Is it possible to let dhcp3-server assign ip addresses to clients which are from another net then the assigned ip adress of the device? |
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| 22:34.29 | pleed_ | my server always complains if i try that but i havent got enough addresses to assign an own address |
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| 22:37.03 | webmind_ | pleed_ I think you are a strange human. |
| 22:37.10 | zob | pleed_: you have more than one ip address on one interface? or what do you mean? |
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| 22:38.05 | pleed_ | zob: i have a public subnet (6 ips) |
| 22:38.17 | pleed_ | i would like to assign 10.0.0.1 to the dhcp interface |
| 22:38.24 | pleed_ | and advertise public addresses |
| 22:38.47 | pleed_ | this is not working because dhcp3-server seems to have a problem assigning ip adresses from other networks |
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| 22:40.52 | pleed_ | otherwise i have to take a bigger subnet and take care that nothing from out of my subnet reaches the internet, but this would mean i couldnt reach these host which are not in my subnet but fall into the subnet mask |
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| 22:43.40 | javanero | Anyone here running Debian 5 testing full time? I'm using Etch now but was curious if testing was more-or-less ready for use? |
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| 22:45.57 | binarymutant | MaWa: ready to use :) |
| 22:46.39 | binarymutant | javanero: ready to use :) |
| 22:46.45 | zob | pleed_: I think that it could be done because it's the same problem as if you want to use dhcp relat. in that case dhcp also doesn't have this subnets defined on the interface he is listening to |
| 22:47.00 | zob | dhcp relay |
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| 22:48.20 | javanero | ty binarymutant |
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| 22:48.47 | zob | pleed_: but in that case it's the relay who have the ip address from that subnet you want to avertise.... |
| 22:49.01 | webmind_ | I runned lenny for a while, it was stable on tha packeges i use on my server - nogui - but last week sockets and pipes broke in clamav with exim4, i installed stable again. |
| 22:49.06 | kanzure | I have just installed a second ethernet card into a debian box. How do I use the box as a router? One of the ethernet cards faces the internet, the other faces another machine that I'd like to connect with. Any hints? |
| 22:50.03 | pleed_ | zob: well that s no a solution for me since there is no relay, technically it shouldnt be a problem to do that but i think the dhcp server isnt able |
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| 22:50.19 | webmind_ | kanzure - is tinyproxy an option ? |
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| 22:50.38 | kanzure | webmind_: Is there something about tinyproxy that would make it a nonoption? |
| 22:50.49 | pleed_ | zob: now i just take a bigger subnet and block the ip addresses i dont own |
| 22:50.52 | kanzure | I remember using something with 'bridge' in the name in 2004. It worked back then, but I don't remember why or how. |
| 22:51.10 | binarymutant | kanzure: man route |
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| 22:52.07 | kanzure | binarymutant: Would "route add -net 192.56.76.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev ethX" do what I want it to do? I'm not familiar with this vocabulary in the man page. |
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| 22:53.12 | zob | kanzure: you can enable routing with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" but you will also need NAT |
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| 22:53.56 | binarymutant | kanzure: try this http://lartc.org/howto/ |
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| 22:55.30 | binarymutant | kanzure: I think your right but I dont have 2 nics to try it out |
| 22:56.24 | zob | pleed_: I think the easiest way to do that is to assign one of the public ip address as the second address to the interface and setup correct subnet definition in the dhcp.conf. assuming you can spare one of those address of course |
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| 22:57.03 | th0ger_ | I'm trying to configure suspend-to-ram (using hibernation-ram). It suspends/resumes pretty ok, but the monitor is kept on, showing the suspend log on vt10. Any idea on how to turn it off automatically? |
| 22:57.36 | multi_io | how can it be that in aptitude, after you've accepted and successfully downloaded and installed a solution suggested by aptitude's own "dependency resolution" screen, you still end in a "broken" stete? |
| 22:57.56 | Bhavesh | debian 4.0 fresh install, what's best way to get nvidia drivers for 6600GT chipset? |
| 22:58.08 | valdyn | !tell multi_io -about ask |
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| 22:58.44 | multi_io | I did just ask, thanks a lot |
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| 22:59.01 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/aptitude-hell-3.txt |
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| 22:59.42 | Bhavesh | !tell |
| 22:59.54 | Bhavesh | !tell me about nvidia |
| 23:00.03 | valdyn | multi_io: packages being held back is not broken |
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| 23:00.40 | valdyn | multi_io: you seem to be mixing stable with testing with unstable, thats broken |
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| 23:02.27 | multi_io | valdyn: so you say that if it says "#Broken" it means "not broken"? =) |
| 23:02.50 | multi_io | I am mixing testing and unstable, that's right |
| 23:03.08 | Bhavesh | that did not help |
| 23:03.19 | Bhavesh | aptitude can't find nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:03.51 | multi_io | I wouldn't complain if that lead to conflicts that aptitude *told me about* *before* presenting a "resolve" screen. |
| 23:03.59 | valdyn | multi_io: its broken in that aptitude cant satisfy the dependency, its the obvious consequence of the way you mixed debian releases |
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| 23:04.45 | Bhavesh | how do u install nvidia drivers using aptitude/apt-get |
| 23:04.57 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 23:04.57 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 23:05.45 | Bhavesh | brb from the workstation that needs help |
| 23:06.44 | multi_io | so it is wrong to assume that teh solution presented by a "Resolve Dependencies" screen in aptitude actually does resolve all dependencies? |
| 23:07.04 | multi_io | maybe they should rename it to "maybe resolve dependencies" then :-P |
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| 23:07.30 | Bhavesh | !nvidia |
| 23:07.30 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 23:07.37 | valdyn | multi_io: its not entirely obvious what the actual issue is in the end, looks like 3 packages that cant be upgraded due to missing depends |
| 23:07.43 | valdyn | multi_io: thats a decent solution |
| 23:08.21 | simonrvn | multi_io: as best as possible at that time. you can always come back to it. |
| 23:08.34 | simonrvn | after a successful update |
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| 23:10.29 | oklinux | is it a good idea to run debian without gnome ? |
| 23:10.36 | valdyn | oklinux: sure |
| 23:11.19 | oklinux | which is better or easier gnome or xfce ? |
| 23:11.29 | valdyn | oklinux: your taste decides |
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| 23:12.01 | multi_io | simonrvn: what qualifies a "best as possible" solution to be eligible for presentation in a "resolve dependencies" screen? |
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| 23:12.17 | superlinux | hi all |
| 23:12.26 | oklinux | is superlinux |
| 23:12.33 | superlinux | how can i download ... |
| 23:12.46 | simonrvn | i do it manually via hold, and stuff. i don't use that screen |
| 23:12.51 | superlinux | all *.rar files on a website? |
| 23:12.51 | multi_io | remember that in many solution aptitude does not present another "resolve dependencies" screen, but tells you "no more solutions" instead |
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| 23:13.08 | superlinux | in one shot |
| 23:13.24 | peppe | superlinux: "all"? do you have a list, or a page that links them all? see wget, d4x, curl, and so on |
| 23:13.25 | valdyn | superlinux: man wget |
| 23:13.54 | multi_io | so which (partly) solutions are eligible for presentation in "resolve dependencies" and which aren't? |
| 23:14.07 | superlinux | peppe, there is a web page that have a rar file which is split as volumes |
| 23:14.29 | superlinux | and lists each volume on a separate link |
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| 23:14.52 | peppe | superlinux: ok, wget is fine |
| 23:14.56 | simonrvn | multi_io: also, i rarely use testing, which often has dep issues. in unstable, deps tend to get resolved faster due to the frequency of updates. there's a trade0off of course, you get the stuff with more bugs, and that means filing more reports ;). |
| 23:14.57 | superlinux | i have wget |
| 23:15.17 | superlinux | can u show me how to write the options? |
| 23:15.49 | dudeman | superlinux, which options? |
| 23:15.58 | superlinux | for wget .. |
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| 23:16.16 | dudeman | superlinux, usually you type arguments to programs like wget like --option or -option. It should be in the manpage |
| 23:16.17 | superlinux | in a way that i can downlaod all these files |
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| 23:16.26 | simonrvn | man wget or wget --help | less |
| 23:16.37 | dudeman | superlinux, you have to look through the manual and see which optins you would need in order to do that |
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| 23:16.47 | dudeman | superlinux, please do not make us read the manpage for you. |
| 23:17.04 | simonrvn | i wouldn't anyway |
| 23:17.18 | dudeman | simonrvn, well it wasn't really a request, I was just being polite. |
| 23:17.29 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 23:17.33 | simonrvn | AFI |
| 23:17.49 | oklinux | is it correct ?apt-get remove gnome gnome-utils gnome-core gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:17.58 | dudeman | !remove gnome |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 23:18.05 | dudeman | oklinux, sure |
| 23:18.09 | simonrvn | that's oooold |
| 23:18.16 | dudeman | simonrvn, it still works |
| 23:18.24 | simonrvn | lemme fix that freaking factoid |
| 23:18.25 | dudeman | simonrvn, feel free to update |
| 23:18.27 | dudeman | thank you |
| 23:18.29 | simonrvn | only for gnome1 |
| 23:18.31 | dudeman | u da man |
| 23:18.59 | oklinux | what is the uptoday way to remove gnome dudeman ? |
| 23:19.12 | dudeman | oklinux, hang on a minute, simonrvn is going to tell you |
| 23:19.16 | dvs | !wwlr |
| 23:19.16 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 23:19.28 | dudeman | dvs, /msg dpkg lenny update |
| 23:19.34 | dudeman | dvs, long time no see |
| 23:19.38 | dudeman | <-- stoned/Nyle |
| 23:19.45 | dvs | I've been busy |
| 23:19.52 | dudeman | yeh with what? |
| 23:19.59 | dudeman | u never have anything to do ;) |
| 23:20.03 | dvs | work. takeovers |
| 23:20.07 | oklinux | cleaning windows dvs ? |
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| 23:20.11 | dudeman | lol |
| 23:20.13 | dvs | that factoid doesn't work by the way |
| 23:20.18 | simonrvn | please hold while we updates our databases, your call is important to us |
| 23:20.24 | dudeman | lol |
| 23:20.24 | dvs | oklinux: That'll be coming REAL soon |
| 23:20.34 | simonrvn | dvs: hellos |
| 23:20.38 | dvs | his |
| 23:20.39 | dvs | hi's |
| 23:20.52 | dudeman | apostrophe |
| 23:21.34 | dudeman | hm |
| 23:21.42 | oklinux | simonrvn, can you tell me how to remove gnome ? |
| 23:21.47 | dudeman | aptitude remove ^gnome* ^libgnom* ? |
| 23:21.56 | dudeman | perhaps? |
| 23:22.13 | Coweater | !remove gnome |
| 23:22.13 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 23:22.14 | oklinux | fdisk /mbr gnome ? |
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| 23:22.21 | dudeman | Coweater, its old |
| 23:22.23 | dudeman | oklinux, lol |
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| 23:22.35 | dudeman | oklinux, aptitude remove ^gnome* ^libgnom* ? |
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| 23:22.52 | dudeman | try that |
| 23:23.45 | oklinux | without the ? |
| 23:23.48 | dudeman | yes |
| 23:24.04 | dudeman | oklinux, aptitude remove ^gnome* ^libgnome* |
| 23:24.05 | oklinux | are you 100% sure ? |
| 23:24.09 | dudeman | yes |
| 23:24.12 | dudeman | positive. |
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| 23:24.42 | simonrvn | remove gnome |
| 23:24.43 | dudeman | (it will give you a yes/no prompt anyway so it doesn't matter, but yes, I'm sure) |
| 23:24.46 | simonrvn | !remove gnome |
| 23:24.46 | dpkg | For gnome 1.x, to remove or purge it is: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). from gnome 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common liborbit2 libgnomeui-0 libgnomevfs2-0 |
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| 23:24.57 | simonrvn | that's a start |
| 23:25.02 | dudeman | well |
| 23:25.05 | dudeman | my way is better |
| 23:25.06 | dudeman | ;) |
| 23:25.42 | dudeman | dpkg remove gnome is also Also you can also try aptitude remove ^gnome* ^libgnome* |
| 23:25.42 | dpkg | okay, dudeman |
| 23:26.11 | dudeman | and of course dependencies will remove automatically |
| 23:26.41 | dudeman | then again to fully clean the system of that junk you probably want to remvoe gtk crap |
| 23:26.52 | dudeman | also |
| 23:27.33 | kunwon1 | dudeman, your way wouldn' |
| 23:27.40 | dudeman | it won't? |
| 23:27.54 | kunwon1 | wouldn't work on my setup, as more than 40 packages contain ^gnome* |
| 23:28.14 | dudeman | it should... |
| 23:28.20 | simonrvn | not really |
| 23:28.22 | dudeman | regex makes sense |
| 23:28.22 | dudeman | .. |
| 23:28.27 | dudeman | whats the issue |
| 23:28.31 | dudeman | yo're right! |
| 23:28.33 | dudeman | but why |
| 23:28.40 | simonrvn | it would get stuff that aren't in gnome per se, but can run with gtk libs |
| 23:28.51 | kunwon1 | apparently there's an arbitrary limit |
| 23:28.56 | dudeman | hmm |
| 23:28.59 | simonrvn | er gtk2 libs only |
| 23:29.00 | dudeman | well that sucks |
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| 23:29.26 | dudeman | ahh |
| 23:29.27 | dudeman | ok |
| 23:29.39 | dudeman | try apt-get --purge remove ^gnome* ^libgnome* |
| 23:29.50 | dudeman | aptitude is giving me shit because of that |
| 23:29.56 | dudeman | apt-get will work fine |
| 23:30.15 | simonrvn | don't mix the two |
| 23:30.16 | dudeman | well then how do you feed reged to aptitude? |
| 23:30.19 | dudeman | simonrvn, true |
| 23:30.22 | dudeman | but wtf man |
| 23:30.28 | dudeman | im uh.. befuddled! |
| 23:30.31 | kunwon1 | dudeman, it understands the regex, that's not the problem |
| 23:30.46 | dudeman | yes I see |
| 23:30.51 | simonrvn | a better glob would be libgnome2-* |
| 23:30.57 | dudeman | but how to feed it a correct regex to |
| 23:30.59 | dudeman | simonrvn, hmm |
| 23:31.02 | dudeman | true |
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| 23:32.07 | dudeman | bleh |
| 23:32.08 | simonrvn | libbonobo2-* libgnome2-* etc. |
| 23:32.18 | Ralle0103_ | hey |
| 23:32.18 | simonrvn | libgnomeui2-* |
| 23:32.24 | dudeman | simonrvn, would you be a dear and fix the factoid accordingly |
| 23:32.29 | dudeman | Ralle0103_, hi |
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| 23:33.24 | Ralle0103_ | mir ist sooo langweilig -.- |
| 23:33.35 | dudeman | uhhh |
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| 23:33.46 | Ralle0103_ | dir net |
| 23:33.54 | dudeman | Ralle0103_, this is an English only channel. Which language do you speak, so that we can direct to you the proper channel |
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| 23:34.14 | Ralle0103_ | ohh ok i´m sorry |
| 23:34.15 | Ralle0103_ | ^^ |
| 23:34.20 | simonrvn | !remove gnome |
| 23:34.20 | dpkg | For gnome 1.x, to remove or purge it, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). from gnome 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly) |
| 23:34.21 | dudeman | no need |
| 23:34.33 | Ralle0103_ | ok |
| 23:34.49 | simonrvn | a thank you will suffice ;) |
| 23:35.06 | dudeman | simonrvn, THANK YOU! |
| 23:35.16 | dudeman | !simonrvn++ |
| 23:35.19 | tor | anyone have a cluster? |
| 23:35.27 | dudeman | !anyone |
| 23:35.28 | simonrvn | that fugging thing's been sitting there neglected for too long |
| 23:35.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 23:35.29 | tor | (I know !anyone) |
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| 23:35.42 | simonrvn | not i, mr. tor |
| 23:35.55 | dudeman | tor, then you should have thought about it before you asked an anyone question.... |
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| 23:36.11 | simonrvn | tor: how about you deal with the most pressing issue first, then we can move on from there |
| 23:36.15 | tor | dudeman, I just want to know if anyone has it |
| 23:36.26 | dudeman | tor, sure, lots of people have clusters |
| 23:36.33 | dudeman | tor, what is your real question about them? |
| 23:37.00 | tor | ok dudeman |
| 23:37.19 | tor | what packages make a cluster in debian? |
| 23:37.28 | dudeman | !cluster |
| 23:37.28 | dpkg | i guess cluster is at http://www.clustercompute.com Linux High-Availability Project (www.linux-ha.org) |
| 23:37.34 | dudeman | hm |
| 23:37.40 | dudeman | I don't think debian offers a clustering kernel |
| 23:37.58 | dudeman | you'd have to compile clustering support in the kernel for that afaik |
| 23:38.09 | dudeman | you can try open mosix, or something similar |
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| 23:38.18 | tor | that is not debian |
| 23:38.19 | dudeman | im not sure let me find out |
| 23:38.25 | simonrvn | fixed that little "from/for gnome2" thing too |
| 23:38.36 | tor | I am reading something interesting |
| 23:38.47 | tor | http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Cluster_Suite_Overview/s1-clvm-overview-CSO.html |
| 23:38.57 | simonrvn | there's clustering stuff in debian, not much of it AFAIK. i'd do an apt-cache search cluster |
| 23:38.58 | dudeman | http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 23:39.10 | dudeman | this is step by step tutorial for debian clsutering |
| 23:39.18 | simonrvn | there ya go. i bet that was one of the top hits too ;) |
| 23:39.40 | dudeman | http://cluster.if.usp.br/ |
| 23:39.47 | dudeman | simonrvn, yeh I didn't know that |
| 23:39.50 | dudeman | but hmm |
| 23:39.55 | dudeman | debina clustering |
| 23:39.57 | tor | I see redhat-cluster0module package |
| 23:39.59 | dudeman | there is the cluster monkey i know about |
| 23:40.04 | simonrvn | well ooo 3.0 finally hit exp. for x86-32 |
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| 23:40.10 | dudeman | 3.0? |
| 23:40.23 | dudeman | 32? |
| 23:40.28 | simonrvn | openoffice.org (1:3.0.0-3) experimental; urgency=low |
| 23:40.30 | dudeman | dude wtf |
| 23:40.33 | dudeman | heh |
| 23:40.36 | dudeman | simonrvn, smak! |
| 23:40.44 | dudeman | there is no sucht hing as x86_32 |
| 23:40.52 | dudeman | its i386 and x86_64 |
| 23:40.54 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:41.48 | simonrvn | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 23:42.00 | tor | If someone here had used a cluster, then this info would have been more reliable :/ |
| 23:42.17 | simonrvn | it's a start |
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| 23:42.43 | dudeman | well I clustered 7 1ghz machine back in oklahoma using knoppix |
| 23:42.47 | dudeman | :/ |
| 23:42.50 | dudeman | or a remaster of knoppix actually |
| 23:43.03 | tor | yes, but , I was hoping to get some, "I have a cluster; this package and that, no problemo" |
| 23:43.10 | dudeman | clustermonkey |
| 23:43.28 | dudeman | http://www.clustermonkey.net/ |
| 23:43.50 | tor | lol |
| 23:44.20 | simonrvn | i wish i had a faster ppc box here... |
| 23:44.55 | simonrvn | i should go pick that cheque up from the mcgill folks, and see if that b&w is still there ;) |
| 23:45.30 | dudeman | you really need this |
| 23:45.32 | dudeman | tor, http://cluster.if.usp.br/ |
| 23:45.55 | dudeman | There are two Debian packages containing this software, they are called cluster-tools-client and cluster-tools-server. The first one must be installed on all the nodes of the cluster, the second one on the cluster server. You can get these Debian packages, as well as the sources, from this site |
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| 23:47.42 | tor | I see |
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