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| 00:03.05 | xenonex | hello, how to grant user permission to mount disks with gnome-mount on lenny? |
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| 00:05.53 | trifler | How do you umount someting you mouted with --bind ? |
| 00:06.05 | oklinux | hey guys oklinux is back |
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| 00:09.49 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 00:09.56 | Nazcafan | I use two dvd drives |
| 00:10.25 | Nazcafan | one of them ejects when pushing the "eject" physical buttton, the other doesn't |
| 00:10.36 | Nazcafan | how can I modify the behaviour? |
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| 00:12.21 | Bhavesh | !ask me about kde4 |
| 00:12.44 | Bhavesh | !ask |
| 00:12.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:13.00 | Bhavesh | !tell |
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| 00:13.41 | Bhavesh | !tell me about kde |
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| 00:24.31 | oklinux | hey dudeman im back |
| 00:28.04 | dudeman | ok |
| 00:28.10 | dudeman | oklinux, hi |
| 00:28.36 | dudeman | trifler, umount |
| 00:28.56 | dudeman | xenonex, I'm not sure but you look at pmount |
| 00:29.06 | dudeman | not sure if you mean removable or all disks |
| 00:29.30 | xenonex | i mean local disks |
| 00:29.31 | dudeman | Bhavesh, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 00:29.51 | dudeman | im not sure what you are asking |
| 00:30.08 | dudeman | xenonex, -o user? |
| 00:30.24 | dudeman | xenonex, -o user,uid=XXX,gid=XXX |
| 00:30.25 | dudeman | ? |
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| 00:30.43 | xenonex | thanks |
| 00:30.48 | dudeman | xenonex, only root can mount stuff |
| 00:31.00 | dudeman | if you want the user to be able to moust stuff, add him to sudo group to the mount command |
| 00:31.13 | dudeman | or you can install pmount for removable media |
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| 00:31.24 | dudeman | er.. sudo group wrong |
| 00:31.29 | dudeman | add him in /etc/sudoers |
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| 00:38.40 | trifler | I added another drive to my computer, a disk I've been using on a windows computer. I've cfdisk it and mkfs.ext3 it. But when I fdisk -l under SYSTEM it says it's a HPFS/NTFS. Did I miss anything? |
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| 00:39.12 | dudeman | what kinda partition is it? |
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| 00:39.48 | dudeman | trifler, file -s /dev/whatever |
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| 00:40.17 | maestrolinux | http://s2.ar.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=19732 hello --!!! hola alguien me ayuda con esto |
| 00:40.27 | dudeman | !es |
| 00:40.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:40.43 | JPT | i love these links... |
| 00:40.49 | maestrolinux | http://s2.ar.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=19732 hello --!!! hola alguien me ayuda con esto |
| 00:40.55 | JPT | go and plya your browsergame -.- |
| 00:40.56 | dudeman | ... |
| 00:40.59 | trifler | dudeman: /dev/hdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 00:41.00 | javanero | lol |
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| 00:41.11 | dudeman | trifler, you're good to go |
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| 00:43.12 | trifler | dudeman: If you say so :) |
| 00:43.20 | trifler | still think it's a tad weird |
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| 00:43.31 | dudeman | I do too, and I am unsure of whats up |
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| 00:43.54 | dudeman | trifler, fdisk -l |
| 00:43.54 | dudeman | ? |
| 00:44.16 | dudeman | nm, I re read |
| 00:45.15 | trifler | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.15 | trifler | /dev/hdb1 * 1 24321 195358401 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 00:45.35 | trifler | that's what I get, the drive has had ntfs since it came from a prior windows machine. |
| 00:45.53 | dudeman | perhaps it needs a restart to refresh fdisk? |
| 00:46.01 | dudeman | what does cfdisk report |
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| 00:46.06 | dudeman | fdisk is a bit trippy sometimes |
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| 00:46.23 | dudeman | but what happens when you try to mount it as ext3? |
| 00:46.25 | dudeman | it should work |
| 00:47.02 | JPT | if you do it, either something will crash or you will have a mountpoint filled with useless crap... |
| 00:47.06 | Hallajs | hello |
| 00:47.11 | JPT | hi :) |
| 00:47.17 | dudeman | JPT, file -s report ext3 |
| 00:47.20 | dudeman | 08:40 < trifler> dudeman: /dev/hdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 00:47.29 | dudeman | which is how he formatted it |
| 00:47.39 | dudeman | like I said, perhaps fdisk needs a reboot to refresh, I've no idea |
| 00:47.42 | dudeman | never seen this issue before |
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| 00:47.58 | JPT | mhh... i think with hdparm you can force to reread the partition table |
| 00:48.03 | trifler | dudeman: It works to mount. |
| 00:48.11 | Hallajs | Everytime I login to kde and activate my wifi connection, debian will update my time and restart my kdm and it'll just give me a blank screen instead of restarting properly |
| 00:48.14 | dudeman | JPT, help the guy ;) |
| 00:48.24 | dudeman | trifler, what jpt said |
| 00:48.26 | dudeman | man hdparm |
| 00:48.37 | JPT | okay... |
| 00:48.45 | Hallajs | I had to login root on console first to disable this, any idea how to get a permanent fix for it? |
| 00:48.57 | trifler | no manual entry for hdparm |
| 00:49.03 | dudeman | !installit |
| 00:49.04 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:49.12 | trifler | I have rebooted. |
| 00:49.20 | trifler | still says hpfs/ntfs |
| 00:49.28 | JPT | hmm... i've no idea how to force kdm to restart properly.. |
| 00:49.30 | dudeman | yeh i have no idea |
| 00:49.32 | trifler | Though it seems to work just faulty info or so to speak. |
| 00:49.39 | dudeman | JPT, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 00:49.39 | JPT | but if you still can start it up, there shouldn't be any problem.. |
| 00:50.05 | JPT | dudeman: that's what i'm always using after installing the new nvidia-driver (after kernel compilation) |
| 00:50.11 | Hallajs | well, I was using gdm previously with the same type of error |
| 00:50.13 | dudeman | Hallajs, its not a KDM issue |
| 00:50.16 | dudeman | its a driver issue |
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| 00:50.24 | dudeman | your Xorg gives blank on restart, not KDM |
| 00:50.25 | Hallajs | it seems that updating my time via ntp, it'll just restart my gdm |
| 00:50.38 | dudeman | thats a problem with dmps |
| 00:50.46 | javanero | How is KDE4 on Debian? Specifically. Etch? |
| 00:50.48 | dudeman | turn that off and you won't have X reset time |
| 00:50.50 | Hallajs | dudeman, yeah I noticed. I was just wondering if it's possible to update my time without restarting gdm or something |
| 00:51.02 | dudeman | when you reset system time or set it with it, X thinks screensaver some thing is up |
| 00:51.02 | Hallajs | dmps? |
| 00:51.04 | dudeman | I dunno something like that |
| 00:51.06 | dudeman | !dmps |
| 00:51.10 | dudeman | !dpms |
| 00:51.10 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 00:51.42 | dudeman | it happens with time |
| 00:51.45 | ex_pakalolo | if you use lilo try change lilo.conf |
| 00:51.50 | ex_pakalolo | and |
| 00:51.54 | dudeman | if you set ntp time before you start X you should be ok |
| 00:52.02 | dudeman | or that |
| 00:52.04 | ex_pakalolo | vga = normal |
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| 00:52.30 | dudeman | is normal normal? I thought you specified vga modes in XXX numbers |
| 00:52.35 | dudeman | like I ue vgs=791 |
| 00:52.40 | dudeman | hmm I am such anoob |
| 00:52.44 | ex_pakalolo | maybe your video isnt configured |
| 00:52.46 | dudeman | I swear to god i know next to nothin |
| 00:53.16 | JPT | you know enough to survive in civilization with debian :) |
| 00:53.25 | dudeman | well i been here 8 years |
| 00:53.29 | Hallajs | hmm |
| 00:53.29 | dudeman | I just picked up shit |
| 00:53.31 | dudeman | I dunno nothin |
| 00:53.34 | euzao | I've* |
| 00:53.40 | dudeman | euzao, slang |
| 00:53.42 | dudeman | I. |
| 00:54.05 | Hallajs | well, I'm sure my display card is a bit screwed, during installation it'll die if I dont disable fb |
| 00:54.10 | euzao | dudeman, slang? |
| 00:54.16 | dudeman | hmmm |
| 00:54.22 | dudeman | street talk ;) |
| 00:54.30 | dudeman | euzao, trust me, my grammar is A-OK! |
| 00:54.38 | euzao | ahhaha |
| 00:54.43 | euzao | I'm not a native speaker |
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| 00:54.50 | euzao | thus, I only know the correct way |
| 00:55.05 | dudeman | I thank you for your concern |
| 00:55.13 | euzao | haha I'm very idiot |
| 00:55.18 | euzao | correcting people is not nice |
| 00:55.35 | dudeman | well, thats you for to decide ;) |
| 00:55.39 | dudeman | I didn't mind. |
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| 00:56.25 | euzao | waits someone say "go to #debian-offtopic" and "!tell euzao offtopic" |
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| 00:56.38 | dudeman | euzao, #debian-chat |
| 00:56.42 | dudeman | ;) |
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| 00:59.56 | trifler | chown user:group works for folders too right? so I can start to store som new files on my new drive :P |
| 01:00.11 | dudeman | yes |
| 01:00.19 | dudeman | man chown |
| 01:00.39 | trifler | and should i symlink it into my /home/ folder or a symlink ? |
| 01:00.45 | trifler | ups |
| 01:00.50 | trifler | mount it or symlink |
| 01:01.05 | dudeman | yes |
| 01:01.23 | dudeman | uhm |
| 01:01.25 | dudeman | what? |
| 01:01.40 | dudeman | mount your new drive to like ~/NewDrive |
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| 01:01.51 | trifler | dudeman: i've mountet the new drive to /storage |
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| 01:02.23 | dudeman | and for ease of navigation you can go into ~/NewDrive and do ln -s /storage/Documents or /storage/Media |
| 01:02.26 | dextervip | how do i add an user ftp on pureftp? |
| 01:02.26 | dudeman | whatever |
| 01:02.44 | dudeman | I never used pureftp but it should support virtual users |
| 01:02.53 | dudeman | if it doesn't you need to add a user to the system |
| 01:03.02 | dudeman | !pureftpd |
| 01:03.02 | dpkg | it has been said that pureftpd is A secure small feature full ftp server located at http://download.sourceforge.net/pureftpd/ |
| 01:03.05 | simonrvn | it does |
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| 01:03.16 | dudeman | I have no experience with it, only vs |
| 01:03.21 | simonrvn | !factinfo pureftpd |
| 01:03.21 | dpkg | pureftpd -- created by usual <usual@cm-24-161-49-107.nycap.rr.com> at Fri Feb 23 19:48:21 2001 (2794 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by dudeman, 19s ago. |
| 01:03.51 | dextervip | i just removed vs to enable pureftp |
| 01:04.05 | dudeman | to each their own |
| 01:04.07 | dudeman | I like vs |
| 01:04.49 | dudeman | dextervip, #pureftpd |
| 01:04.49 | dudeman | ? |
| 01:04.54 | dudeman | #pureftp whatever |
| 01:05.07 | simonrvn | !no pureftpd is <reply>pureftpd is a secure, small, featureful ftpd (ftp daemon), found in Debian, and project page at http://www.pureftpd.org/ |
| 01:05.07 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 01:05.16 | simonrvn | &no pureftpd is <reply>pureftpd is a secure, small, featureful ftpd (ftp daemon), found in Debian, and project page at http://www.pureftpd.org/ |
| 01:05.24 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 01:05.29 | dextervip | let me see |
| 01:05.59 | dudeman | i like ravens |
| 01:06.20 | simonrvn | i do too ;). and crows, magpies |
| 01:06.22 | Hallajs | alright, rebooting to see if it works this time around |
| 01:06.24 | Hallajs | brb |
| 01:06.37 | simonrvn | (well, all of 'em ;) |
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| 01:06.49 | dextervip | mmm its #pure-pw |
| 01:06.56 | dudeman | simonrvn, you haven't posted me a video of your heritage in a while |
| 01:07.04 | dudeman | simonrvn, you didn't think I lost interest did you :) |
| 01:07.08 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 01:07.20 | dudeman | you know... |
| 01:07.22 | simonrvn | i'm on youtube |
| 01:07.26 | Hydroxide | dudeman: I thought you were trying to get off-topic stuff away from #debian? :) |
| 01:07.40 | dudeman | Hydroxide, aww c'mon I'm here helpin out im bored |
| 01:07.42 | d-b | please see #debian-offtopic |
| 01:07.46 | dudeman | Hydroxide, you are right |
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| 01:07.53 | Hydroxide | dudeman: hi, anyway :) |
| 01:08.02 | dudeman | Hydroxide, hey bro man |
| 01:08.03 | lfaraone | How can I find out which release of debian a box is running? |
| 01:08.12 | dudeman | !tell lfaraone -about version |
| 01:08.14 | simonrvn | !version |
| 01:08.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 01:08.48 | lfaraone | Thanks dudeman , simonrvn . |
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| 01:09.00 | dudeman | sure |
| 01:09.08 | lfaraone | Odd, motd says I'm on 3.1, /etc/debian_version says 4.0... |
| 01:09.18 | dudeman | you upgraded? |
| 01:09.27 | lfaraone | dudeman: a while ago. |
| 01:09.29 | dudeman | its proabbly why, motd didnt get updated? |
| 01:09.34 | dudeman | for some reason |
| 01:09.54 | dudeman | cat /etc/motd |
| 01:10.12 | dextervip | what does this mean "-d /dev/null -s /etc ftpuser" |
| 01:10.20 | lfaraone | Linux athena 2.4.20_mipsel_linkstation #88 2005ǯ 2�� 25�� ������ 20:17:00 JST mips |
| 01:10.21 | dudeman | for...? |
| 01:10.40 | dudeman | Hydroxide, where did you run off to? |
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| 01:12.25 | lfaraone | dudeman: hrm, for some reason my kernel isn't updating... /me looks |
| 01:12.45 | RNHavens | On two different computers with two different DVDs that I have plyed before; I am getting IO errors in my dmesg and mplayer wont play them. "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0 sector blah. Whats up? |
| 01:13.01 | simonrvn | lfaraone: holy, you gotchyerselfaMIPSelEH? |
| 01:13.15 | dudeman | simonrvn, ...! what? |
| 01:13.22 | dudeman | oh |
| 01:13.27 | dudeman | hah |
| 01:13.29 | simonrvn | got yourself a mipsel eh |
| 01:13.36 | dudeman | yes yes I got it! |
| 01:13.38 | dudeman | :D |
| 01:13.56 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.21 | lfaraone | simonrvn: what's wrong with mipsel? |
| 01:14.26 | dudeman | lfaraone, nothing |
| 01:14.39 | dudeman | lfaraone, it was an excited observation |
| 01:14.42 | simonrvn | nothing at all. nice to see different arches |
| 01:14.44 | dudeman | enthusiastic more like it |
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| 01:14.56 | dudeman | English isn't my first language |
| 01:15.21 | simonrvn | not mine either |
| 01:15.26 | dudeman | oh |
| 01:15.41 | dudeman | kwe kwe |
| 01:15.44 | dudeman | =D |
| 01:15.46 | lfaraone | simonrvn: Lol. This is a NAS box (linkstation), so I don't think it's running standard debian. (somewhat modified for the bootloader) |
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| 01:16.20 | simonrvn | dudeman: actually french is, that's (going to be) my third |
| 01:16.40 | dudeman | cool |
| 01:17.20 | dudeman | I do Urdu, Hindi, Arabic, English, Pushtu, Punjabi |
| 01:17.31 | simonrvn | lfaraone: ah ok. neat |
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| 01:17.51 | dudeman | I can read/write em too! |
| 01:17.53 | dudeman | :D |
| 01:17.55 | simonrvn | i was about to say, you probably know 5 already |
| 01:18.16 | dudeman | not to mention spanish/german/french I have taken through highschoool all through college |
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| 01:19.05 | simonrvn | now for the modules *sigh* |
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| 01:42.32 | lene-_- | Hi. What's a nice and simple GUI audio player? something like audacious but without the strange gui? |
| 01:42.54 | unop | aqualung |
| 01:42.58 | lene-_- | (I say strange because it uses its own theme system, doesn't use my WMs borders and so on) |
| 01:43.28 | esds | lene-_-: audacious! |
| 01:43.43 | esds | its sechsy |
| 01:43.53 | lene-_- | no, it's ugly :-) |
| 01:43.56 | esds | haha |
| 01:44.09 | esds | maybe there's some themes fore it |
| 01:44.10 | esds | for* |
| 01:44.16 | lene-_- | unop: an application named after a jethro tull song. sounds good :) |
| 01:44.31 | lene-_- | the fact that there are 'themes' for it ist exactly what turns me off :) |
| 01:44.56 | unop | lene-_-, aqualung has themes?? never knew that, never needed them |
| 01:45.11 | lene-_- | no, I was talking about audacious in that line :) |
| 01:45.16 | unop | oh |
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| 01:45.32 | lene-_- | aqualung hasn't finnished installing yet |
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| 01:46.35 | Xenguy | I don't see aqualung in stable |
| 01:47.31 | lene-_- | hm, aqualung uses gtk2 but doesn't completely honor my gtk theme, it uses its own colors |
| 01:47.39 | lene-_- | let's see if that can be turned off |
| 01:50.16 | lene-_- | hm, any other recommendations besides aqualung? :-) |
| 01:50.40 | lene-_- | I really like foobar2000 on windows. just a simple standard-looking window with some controls on the top and a playlist at the bottom |
| 01:51.02 | surrounder | mpd + gmpc might be nice for you then lene-_- |
| 01:51.03 | surrounder | or sonata |
| 01:51.05 | surrounder | or ... :P |
| 01:51.12 | surrounder | mpd is a nice deaemon |
| 01:51.41 | lene-_- | I know mpd |
| 01:52.10 | surrounder | may I touch you now? |
| 01:52.21 | lene-_- | but it's not what I want. I don't want a daemon, I want some simple audio player |
| 01:52.28 | surrounder | aah check :) |
| 01:52.29 | lene-_- | I beg your pardon? |
| 01:52.32 | surrounder | lol |
| 01:52.51 | surrounder | just came out of the bar, sorry about that |
| 01:53.12 | surrounder | did you try audacious ? |
| 01:53.24 | lene-_- | ... |
| 01:53.33 | unop | lene-_-, xmms ? |
| 01:53.47 | lene-_- | unop: how is that not even worse than audacious? |
| 01:54.02 | lene-_- | I don't want some ugly winamp lookalike that implements half a window manager |
| 01:54.11 | Xenguy | lene-_-: what about amarok or rhythmbox? |
| 01:54.17 | lene-_- | I just want a single simple window with some controls ans a playlist |
| 01:54.25 | unop | lene-_-, itunes ? |
| 01:54.29 | lene-_- | not all this fancy stuff with a music library and themes and all that crap |
| 01:54.37 | surrounder | lene-_-: so simple you should write it yourself |
| 01:55.10 | lene-_- | I'm not a programmer, just someone who likes simple programms |
| 01:55.18 | surrounder | cplay ? |
| 01:55.20 | surrounder | \o/ |
| 01:55.22 | unop | lene-_-, alsaplayer |
| 01:55.22 | surrounder | mpd + ncmpc |
| 01:55.26 | surrounder | I really love simple |
| 01:55.31 | surrounder | that's why I only use CLI apps |
| 01:55.38 | lene-_- | foobar2000 is so nice (and popular) on windows, I can't imagine there's nothing comparable for linux |
| 01:56.36 | surrounder | and why is gmpc/sonata + mpd no option then lene-_- ? |
| 01:56.44 | unop | i don't know one person who uses foobar2000 on windows |
| 01:56.54 | surrounder | it's a really fricking simple interface |
| 01:57.19 | surrounder | lene-_-: http://sonata.berlios.de/images/sonata1.png |
| 01:57.19 | lene-_- | but not a simple setup, I don't want some daemon running. and I especially don't want a music library |
| 01:57.30 | lene-_- | to which I have to add a song before I can play it |
| 01:57.45 | lene-_- | I just want to double click the song and get a nice lean interface to play it |
| 01:57.59 | unop | lene-_-, gxmms perhaps?? http://images.pbidir.com/screenshots/gxmms2-01.png |
| 01:58.35 | surrounder | seems like it has a library unop, lene-_- seems allergic to that :P |
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| 01:59.01 | lene-_- | it's a xmms2 client as far as I can see? |
| 01:59.22 | lene-_- | with mpd, it's not so much that there is a library but that I *have* to use it |
| 01:59.31 | surrounder | http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/hiki.cgi?Simple+Audio+Player |
| 01:59.32 | surrounder | there you go |
| 01:59.37 | surrounder | http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=gtk+audio+player+simple&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta= |
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| 02:01.47 | b-04 | hello |
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| 02:19.15 | dudeman | dude |
| 02:19.16 | dudeman | wow |
| 02:19.33 | dudeman | I just did screen -r and it took like 30+ seconds to connect to it |
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| 02:25.11 | simonrvn | prolly swapped out to hell |
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| 02:32.30 | dudeman | nope |
| 02:32.37 | dudeman | oh |
| 02:32.43 | dudeman | wait i checked the wrong machine... |
| 02:32.44 | dudeman | goddamit |
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| 02:37.05 | simonrvn | !lart dudeman |
| 02:37.05 | dpkg | crushes dudeman with a full height scsi disk |
| 02:37.13 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 02:37.21 | dudeman | lol |
| 02:37.26 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.29 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 02:37.35 | dudeman | hehe |
| 02:37.42 | dudeman | !seen peterS |
| 02:37.42 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian (3d 14h 52m 57s), last said: 'do I _look_ like a search engine?'. |
| 02:37.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:37.55 | neoice_ | heh |
| 02:38.03 | simonrvn | !loldude |
| 02:38.09 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 02:38.21 | simonrvn | &loldude |
| 02:38.37 | simonrvn | :( |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think you meant &aoldude |
| 02:40.58 | simonrvn | nope |
| 02:41.36 | simonrvn | !dude where's my car |
| 02:41.37 | dpkg | ravenbird dude where's my car? |
| 02:41.37 | ravenbird | dude it got steamrolled |
| 02:41.48 | dudeman | uhh |
| 02:41.49 | dudeman | dude |
| 02:41.54 | dudeman | the car was there the whole time... |
| 02:42.01 | dudeman | the dudes were too stoned to see it |
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| 02:47.29 | dextervip | how do i remove a group? |
| 02:47.50 | simonrvn | delgroup; man adduser |
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| 02:51.47 | dextervip | groupdel ;) |
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| 03:08.34 | Dave|id | anyone feel like helping me get a webcam working?? id is 045e:00f7 |
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| 03:09.27 | ecto | is it safe to empty the contents of the /usr/src folder? |
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| 03:11.14 | abrotman | ecto: depends if you use what's in there |
| 03:11.42 | abrotman | ecto: don't msg me |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | ecto: don't msg me |
| 03:12.29 | kanzure | Hrm. brctl isn't doing what I thought it would do. Nor is ipmasq. I have a machine that I'm wiring to a debian box-as-a-router. The ethernet cable is the correct type. On the nonrouter, I can't seem to dhclient myself an IP address from the router ever. I've been Googling around but increasingly hitting the limit on informative pages. |
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| 03:14.22 | kanzure | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:15.24 | abrotman | you may want dhcpd on the debian box running on the inside interface |
| 03:16.49 | kanzure | abrotman: Okay. I'm trying that at the moment. I'm not getting anything special. |
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| 03:17.02 | abrotman | you probably have to configure it |
| 03:17.25 | kanzure | One of the issues is that with brctl running, I get a lot of packet messages printing out on the screen. Enough to make it impossible to see what commands I am typing. |
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| 03:18.28 | CVirus | Why isn't adobe reader included in the non-free repository ? |
| 03:19.17 | abrotman | because it can't be redistributed IIRC |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | !tell CVirus about dmm |
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| 03:20.38 | CVirus | abrotman: doesn't debian-multimedia conflict with any other repos ? |
| 03:20.48 | b-04 | hey |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use it |
| 03:20.57 | CVirus | abrotman: thanks anyways |
| 03:21.02 | b-04 | im using gnome bittorrent |
| 03:21.06 | b-04 | to download torrents... |
| 03:21.14 | b-04 | so, i can download multiple files? |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:22.31 | b-04 | abrotman, how? if i open other torrent, other gnome bit torrent runs, and says "cant listen error" |
| 03:22.45 | b-04 | i can download multiples torrents, with bit torrent gnome? |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | which client? |
| 03:23.01 | kanzure | Hrm. That failed. |
| 03:23.21 | kanzure | Is there a way I can make sure that I'm sending bits back and forth over my ethernet wire between the two machines? |
| 03:23.29 | b-04 | is "gnome bit torrent" |
| 03:23.39 | amphi | b-04: you can't have two clients listening on the same port |
| 03:23.50 | b-04 | yes, i know |
| 03:24.04 | b-04 | so, how to download with my open client? |
| 03:24.08 | b-04 | multiple files? |
| 03:24.34 | Joelito | anyone has successfully run apache2 + libapache2-mod-mono and libapache2-mod-php5? |
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| 03:26.24 | superlinux | b-04, use a diffirent port and download the other files that are part of a torrent |
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| 03:27.01 | superlinux | a diirent pot on a diffirent instance |
| 03:27.13 | b-04 | where configure the port? |
| 03:27.21 | superlinux | a different port on a different instance |
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| 03:27.53 | superlinux | 1st you have to add it on your firewall |
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| 03:28.48 | superlinux | 2nd you have to use it in your other instance of the torrent client |
| 03:28.53 | amphi | b-04: you use a client that can only deal with one torrent at a time? |
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| 03:29.07 | b-04 | im use "gnome bittorrent" |
| 03:29.12 | b-04 | is intalled default in debian etch |
| 03:29.23 | amphi | I don't care what it's called |
| 03:29.28 | superlinux | trasmission torrent is good |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | and that's not what it's called |
| 03:29.47 | kcynice | hi, how can i convert multiple format videos such as *.rmvb to *.mp4 file which can be played on my iPod? |
| 03:29.52 | amphi | if it can't do multiple torrents, use another - rtorrent is pleasant (for me, at least) |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | i know transmission can do more than one |
| 03:30.37 | b-04 | so, i need download other bit torrent client? |
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| 03:30.46 | superlinux | kcynice, have you searched using the "apt-cache search" ? |
| 03:32.12 | kcynice | search what? i googled for 'convert videos for iPod' but hadn't get any working way. maybe mencoder can do it, but i don't know how to set the parameters |
| 03:32.47 | kcynice | i convert some *.mp4 files but my iPod can't play it. |
| 03:32.59 | amphi | kcynice: if mplayer can play rmvb (whatever that is), then mencoder should be able to convert it |
| 03:33.14 | amphi | unless ipod has some special needs |
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| 03:33.40 | kcynice | yes. mplayer can play the *.rmvb and *.mp4 files on my iPod both. |
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| 03:35.15 | kcynice | so, when i want to convert these files, i have to restart my computer and boot windows to do it, that's not what i want, i want to deal all the things on my debian system |
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| 03:44.23 | sung | test |
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| 03:47.14 | sung | any of you know what package lspci is in? |
| 03:47.46 | zob6 | pciutils |
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| 03:49.02 | kcynice | mencoder -o somefile.mp4 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4:vbitrate=5000:vhq -oac lavc -srate 48000 somefile.rmvb |
| 03:49.42 | zob6 | sung: if you want to know in what package certain file is you can run command "apt-file search lspci" |
| 03:49.53 | kcynice | that's the command i used to convert a *.rmvb file to ipod. but my ipod can't play the output *.mp4 file |
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| 03:55.16 | mac123 | hello i have doubt about symbolic links can i have multipe symbolic links to a single directory |
| 03:55.42 | zob6 | mac123: yes you can |
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| 03:58.50 | mac123 | I have a directory, that I want to be shared by every user /var/incoming . So /var/incoming should be visible in 'user1' and 'user2' accounts, but those are chrooted. So, how to have the content of /var/incoming visible in these accounts? |
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| 03:59.47 | zob6 | I think you can use mount -o bind for that |
| 04:00.23 | zob6 | it would be somethink like mount -o bind /var/incoming /home/user1 |
| 04:01.01 | zob6 | etc for other users |
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| 04:01.48 | mac123 | yeah i tried it but when ever i try to add files to the folder i mount i get permission denied |
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| 04:03.36 | zob6 | and you have correct permissons on /var/incoming, right/ |
| 04:03.38 | johnfg | hey guys. |
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| 04:04.05 | johnfg | I've just recently installed debian etch, and there was one upgrade that came through. |
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| 04:04.34 | johnfg | I just wondered, should I download the update dvd to etch and install it as well? |
| 04:04.40 | oklinux | what is metacity ? |
| 04:04.50 | miksuh | joh: no |
| 04:04.58 | zob6 | mac1233: I don't know if I've everd use this for regular users, maybe option user would help |
| 04:05.00 | miksuh | JohnDoh: no |
| 04:05.05 | miksuh | no need to do that |
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| 04:06.34 | mac123 | i made /var/incoming directory from root and chmod to 777 |
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| 04:07.09 | miksuh | JohnDoh: if you want to check if there is updates available, then you can do it in couple of ways. |
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| 04:07.24 | miksuh | 1) Run this from root terminal window/console |
| 04:07.34 | mac123 | @ zob6 i am trying to use for virtual users in pure ftpd |
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| 04:08.00 | miksuh | # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:08.04 | johnfg | What's wrong with installing the update dvd, though? |
| 04:08.20 | mhymn | !tell oklinux about metacity |
| 04:08.58 | johnfg | I did that, but what's the update dvd for then? |
| 04:09.05 | miksuh | 2) You can use update-manager to che3ck if there is updates, select from gnome menu: System->Administration->Update manager. Uopdate-notifier also tells you automatically if there is updates available |
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| 04:10.48 | miksuh | 3) You can use synaptic too. Start synaptic and click Reload -button. Click then status buton in synaptix and if there is updates available you should see them |
| 04:10.56 | dyhadr | I'm having trouble with my laptop which has debian installed. Recently when I booted it up, it suddenly refuses to boot, since it just stalls at the "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." until udevadm times out. What is the cause of this sudden problem? |
| 04:12.10 | oklinux | mhymn, so how do I remove metacity without remove gnome ? |
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| 04:13.00 | zob6 | mac123: should work if you have the correct permissons. I would try to specify option user (-o bind,user) |
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| 04:14.51 | mac123 | @zob6 i wll give it try now with specific options |
| 04:14.55 | mhymn | oklinux: 'aptitude remove metacity', but i guess some gnome stuff depends on it, dunno |
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| 04:18.17 | enouf | oklinux: you could just run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and select the one you want as default |
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| 04:18.59 | enouf | dyhadr: what other kernel boot params are you passing it at boot? |
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| 04:19.33 | dyhadr | enouf, none |
| 04:20.43 | enouf | dyhadr: perhaps there's some mdadm stuff getting in the way .. hrm .. how many times have you booted after installation without incident? |
| 04:20.51 | dyhadr | tons |
| 04:20.58 | dyhadr | I've had this installation for at least a year |
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| 04:21.31 | oklinux | enouf what was the complete command ? |
| 04:22.10 | enouf | oklinux: sure, run it as sudo or root |
| 04:22.31 | oklinux | sudo update-alternatives --config x-windows-manager |
| 04:22.34 | enouf | oklinux: see the man page ; let tab completion help you as well ;-) |
| 04:22.38 | enouf | yep |
| 04:22.43 | enouf | try --list as well |
| 04:23.21 | enouf | oklinux: sorry |
| 04:23.22 | mac123 | @zob6 how do i unmount it seems i have dont something worng the files dissappered |
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| 04:23.27 | enouf | window, not windows |
| 04:23.28 | enouf | ~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x- |
| 04:23.29 | enouf | x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
| 04:23.50 | enouf | wait, i said 'window' in the 1st one .. doh |
| 04:24.42 | dyhadr | Is it bad if I get this error: "/etc/rcS.d/S03udev: line 292: udevtrigger: command not found"? |
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| 04:25.02 | enouf | oklinux: uncomment the last 3 lines in your ~/.bashrc that start; if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then |
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| 04:25.38 | enouf | dyhadr: sure - you seem to be mixing Etch and lenny/sid |
| 04:25.52 | dyhadr | that's very possible |
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| 04:26.53 | enouf | dyhadr: udevtrigger/udevmonitor likely is in etch only?, and udevadm has replaced a few udev* commands |
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| 04:27.36 | dyhadr | hm... I think I somehow booted |
| 04:27.45 | dyhadr | using an old kernel |
| 04:27.47 | enouf | dyhadr: can you get us output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ? |
| 04:27.47 | dyhadr | so would doing a dist-upgrade fix my problem? |
| 04:27.52 | enouf | likely |
| 04:28.14 | enouf | if you've already got the Lenny libc6 there's really no easy way back |
| 04:28.58 | dyhadr | enouf, the output is "ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 04:29.10 | enouf | yep - Lenny ;-) |
| 04:29.23 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 04:29.24 | judd | enouf: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-14 (lenny) 2.7-15 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
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| 04:29.53 | enouf | judd: attaboy \o/ |
| 04:29.53 | judd | enouf: Error: "attaboy" is not a valid command. |
| 04:29.59 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:30.53 | dyhadr | enouf, so how can I fox this? my sources are all already "lenny" in sources.list, maybe my last upgrade messed up and I just need to do a correct dist-upgrade? |
| 04:30.57 | dyhadr | *fix |
| 04:31.11 | enouf | dyhadr: yes, update, then dist-upgrade |
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| 04:31.21 | dyhadr | okay, thank you very much for your help |
| 04:31.26 | enouf | !etch->lenny |
| 04:31.36 | enouf | oh, not again ... |
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| 04:31.40 | enouf | !literal etch->lenny |
| 04:31.40 | dpkg | "etch->lenny" is "<reply>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>." |
| 04:32.09 | enouf | dyhadr: see that above |
| 04:32.25 | dyhadr | thanks again |
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| 04:34.45 | ricosecada | Is there a way to use apt to remove a package, and all its dependencies as well? |
| 04:36.33 | abrotman | use aptitude |
| 04:36.48 | IamSOG | is there a command to check what's running at the start up ? |
| 04:37.13 | wols_ | ls /etc/rc0.d/S* |
| 04:37.24 | wols_ | !tell IamSOG about sysvinit |
| 04:37.31 | ricosecada | abrotman, in what way? Do you mean without option specification? |
| 04:37.38 | IamSOG | thanks wols_ |
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| 04:42.31 | enouf | ricosecada: if you use apt, you also want deborphan/debfoster likely - i'm not sure about newer apt versions (lenny and sid) feature set - i know it default to installing Recommends: though |
| 04:43.33 | enouf | ricosecada: otherwise use aptitude, as suggested for installing/removing |
| 04:44.48 | enouf | IamSOG: i found rcconf nice to use to enable/disable startup services, /msg dpkg rcconf , /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 04:45.33 | enouf | the sysv init system is a mess .. sadly .. oh well - and no, i don't desire upstart either - maybe file-rc :-P |
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| 04:46.01 | IamSOG | thanks enouf |
| 04:46.02 | ricosecada | enouf, I know about deborphan/debfoster, but I fail to see how aptitude would help other than having to select each packages manually. But thanks anyway :-) |
| 04:46.21 | enouf | !tell ricosecada about why aptitude |
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| 04:47.11 | ricosecada | enouf, thanks |
| 04:47.24 | enouf | np guys |
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| 04:51.26 | b-04 | hey |
| 04:51.31 | enouf | erm, that factoid says "Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line" -- should it not say-> s/others all/all others/ ? |
| 04:51.41 | IamSOG | could someone tell me which one is my IDE Controller card? I am a but confused http://paste.debian.net/19542/ |
| 04:51.42 | b-04 | you have 7,1 sound? |
| 04:51.55 | b-04 | i have sb audigy live 7.1 |
| 04:52.00 | b-04 | and subwoofer 7.1 |
| 04:52.17 | enouf | edits the aptitude factoid and inserts a || :-P |
| 04:52.19 | b-04 | i cant run sound in 7.1, i run in 5.1 with alsa |
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| 04:52.40 | enouf | oh crap - he left already .. bah |
| 04:53.17 | enouf | IamSOG: use lspci for ease ;-) |
| 04:53.46 | cahoot | b-04: aplay -L lists surround71? |
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| 04:54.13 | b-04 | cahoot, how? |
| 04:54.19 | enouf | IamSOG: erm .. 3 THOUSAND 500 LINEs! .. gah!! |
| 04:54.21 | enouf | haha |
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| 04:55.01 | enouf | IamSOG: next time, use /var/log/dmesg :-p |
| 04:55.19 | enouf | IamSOG: but lspci is tool to use ;-) |
| 04:55.21 | EarLy | is there a command/way to stop a process. for instance "ping borft.student.utwente.nl" |
| 04:55.35 | enouf | stop? |
| 04:55.37 | cahoot | ctrl-c? |
| 04:55.39 | enouf | don't ping it |
| 04:55.50 | EarLy | enouf: thanks |
| 04:56.01 | EarLy | cahoot: thanks, i mean |
| 04:56.08 | enouf | righto, i forget many are unaware of ctrl-c .. ok |
| 04:56.12 | IamSOG | oh, thanks :D |
| 04:56.30 | enouf | !tell IamSOG -about what's my hardware |
| 04:56.34 | IamSOG | let me try lspci.. um... |
| 04:56.59 | IamSOG | so demesg display all, rgiht ? |
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| 04:59.52 | dudeman | man dude |
| 05:00.04 | IamSOG | not dude man? |
| 05:00.11 | dudeman | huh |
| 05:00.42 | IamSOG | nevermine, I though you are dudeman |
| 05:00.49 | dudeman | like a superhero? |
| 05:00.54 | IamSOG | :o |
| 05:02.42 | enouf | IamSOG: display all what? |
| 05:03.10 | IamSOG | enouf hardwares oh lspci did it :D |
| 05:03.15 | enouf | IamSOG: lshw, hwinfo are good for what you want as well |
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| 05:03.28 | enouf | IamSOG: ls + PCI == lspci ;-) |
| 05:04.56 | IamSOG | I don't know enouf lshw and hwinfo isn't working for me, maybe I need to do it as root, and I am still looking at the recconf thing... um... |
| 05:05.00 | enouf | IamSOG: (lspci) that includes Chipset, Controllers, AGP/PCI, PCIe, PCMCIA - since most things are PCI bus connected, especially onboard devices |
| 05:05.08 | geek | I'm having a little problem with an LVM setup. I added a new hard drive, extended added it as a PV, and ran ext2resize. its apparently been running for the past day or so. The SSH connection i used to start up ext2resize *seems* to be functioning but any other attempt to contact the server just... sits there. no time out, just waits... |
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| 05:05.27 | geek | so.. should i wait, or just wipe and set up the server again? |
| 05:05.32 | enouf | IamSOG: you need to install pkgs - now, what about recconf what? |
| 05:05.54 | geek | enouf: tend to prefer lshw... but to each his own ;p |
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| 05:06.21 | enouf | does too |
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| 05:06.46 | IamSOG | enouf just trying to edit the start up program, I keep thinking there's a file in the system I can edit |
| 05:07.06 | wols_ | !wayttd IamSOG |
| 05:07.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, IamSOG? |
| 05:07.08 | enouf | geek: did you forget to grow the VG, or add to it? .. i'm not that good with lvm, so |
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| 05:07.24 | geek | enouf: i grew the VG, then i resized the partition to fill it |
| 05:07.43 | enouf | IamSOG: be more specific, no idea which you mean, nor why you want to edit it |
| 05:07.45 | geek | the wierd thing is that the system seems to be *there* but things don't time out OR work |
| 05:08.08 | wols_ | geek: if it'S there, what does it do then. e.g. you existing ssh connection |
| 05:08.09 | enouf | geek: did you run out of extents? .. (just guessing) |
| 05:08.12 | geek | right. in which case i think i'll download lenny again and reinstall from scratch. there's a few things i was unhappy about anyway |
| 05:08.23 | IamSOG | enouf like the firewall and some programs I don't need it to run when I don't have internet, guess that should save some battery life :D |
| 05:08.30 | geek | wols_: it just sits there. any keypress i do shows up though |
| 05:08.50 | wols_ | IamSOG: what firewall? |
| 05:08.53 | enouf | IamSOG: what firewall? |
| 05:08.55 | geek | enouf: adding the volume worked. its the resize of the partition to fill the added space that seems frozen |
| 05:08.57 | enouf | heh |
| 05:09.29 | enouf | geek: i see - apologies, i have no more to offer .. sigh |
| 05:09.47 | wols_ | geek: was the partition mounted when you resized it? |
| 05:09.51 | geek | enouf: tis ok then |
| 05:10.02 | geek | wols_: yeah. its the only partition. |
| 05:10.04 | enouf | geek: you grew the VG, but what about the LV? or is this a new LV? |
| 05:10.09 | enouf | ok, nm |
| 05:10.10 | wols_ | geek: that NEVER ever works |
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| 05:10.32 | geek | ok then, i got the answer i needed (not wanted) and i'll reinstall ;p |
| 05:10.52 | wols_ | it shouldn't have let you resize it in the first place |
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| 05:11.47 | geek | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m6ea01062 is what i got |
| 05:12.33 | geek | anyway, i think i mucked it up and i'll probably reinstall later ^^ |
| 05:12.42 | enouf | geek: well - wait |
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| 05:13.11 | enouf | geek: if you're ready to just wipe it all out and start again, try sending it a signal to check status |
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| 05:13.15 | geek | enouf: waited for a day. i'll probably give it another 5-6 hours before i reinstall |
| 05:13.20 | enouf | worst you can do is kill it |
| 05:13.44 | geek | enouf: hmm yeah. how do i do that? |
| 05:13.50 | enouf | with dd, you can send -SIGUSR1 to it from another term |
| 05:14.02 | geek | which would be at the box itself |
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| 05:14.23 | enouf | but i don't know about other utils, nor sure how to do that over ssh, you'd need another connection? |
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| 05:14.57 | geek | i can get physical access to the box in about half an hour ;p |
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| 05:15.09 | enouf | heh - nice |
| 05:15.27 | geek | its in the next room but i need to babysit my dog a while |
| 05:15.36 | IamSOG | a dog :O |
| 05:15.50 | geek | yes |
| 05:15.56 | enouf | yeah, nothing like being spiteful to sneakernet scenarios |
| 05:16.00 | enouf | :-P |
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| 05:16.07 | IamSOG | usually leave the babysitting job for the dogs |
| 05:16.57 | enouf | geek: i have some computers i can reach out and touch, that i will NOT physically allow myself access to :-P |
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| 05:17.29 | geek | enouf: well its a home file server. ideally it should be set up and forget |
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| 05:17.42 | enouf | meh, you and your ideals |
| 05:17.49 | enouf | O_o |
| 05:18.02 | geek | UNFORUNATELY the 80 gig disk i had for it went missing, and i had to add it to the 40 gig disk i had.. and shit happened |
| 05:18.24 | enouf | funny ... i just found a 80GB HDD :-P |
| 05:18.30 | geek | ;p |
| 05:18.39 | Guerin | debate |
| 05:18.42 | geek | i also have a 250 gig one which i need to test ;p |
| 05:18.49 | Guerin | EWINDOW |
| 05:19.00 | geek | wonders if i can pop in a cheap sata card into a old PIII ;p |
| 05:19.12 | enouf | wow, two words in like .. days .. and both were wrong :-P |
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| 05:19.26 | geek | enouf: its very state of the art. PIII 450, passively cooled.... |
| 05:19.33 | geek | reminds me what i love about linux ;p |
| 05:19.37 | enouf | geek: don't bother .. really - mobos are cheap - use the case though :-p |
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| 05:19.45 | enouf | haha .. well |
| 05:20.13 | geek | enouf: well thats the thing though. it has VERY low power use, almost no noise, and was free ;p |
| 05:20.44 | geek | just that i can't pop anything bigger than 128 gigs in it i think |
| 05:20.57 | extor | Does anyone use gnome-osd? |
| 05:20.59 | enouf | geek: perfect - except .. limited for HDD capacity - and get a new PSU! ;-) |
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| 05:21.22 | geek | i did |
| 05:21.24 | enouf | geek: my p2 and p3 are both also passive :-P the p150 is not, haha |
| 05:21.26 | geek | naturally |
| 05:21.35 | geek | its 350w, 120mm fan |
| 05:21.49 | enouf | geek: yep, i threw a new 600w into my p2 :-P |
| 05:21.53 | geek | o0 |
| 05:22.09 | geek | original PSU exploded ;p |
| 05:22.11 | enouf | well, it's sitting on top - it's too big without case modding - and i'm lazy :-) |
| 05:22.16 | geek | i think i had the pic somewhere |
| 05:22.41 | geek | one chip basically blew its top |
| 05:22.51 | geek | when i was debating on upgrading the PSU ;p |
| 05:23.07 | enouf | geek: i managed to snag 3x 600w from newegg sometime back, had to put out 168ish? after rebates, total cost was .. wait for it .. |
| 05:23.15 | enouf | $18.00 :-P |
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| 05:23.23 | geek | o0 |
| 05:23.31 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:25.38 | geek | enouf: http://faileas.greywolf.googlepages.com/100_1943.jpg |
| 05:25.42 | geek | thats my old PSU ;p |
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| 05:26.19 | enouf | geek: yummy - burnt to a crisp ;-) |
| 05:26.35 | geek | enouf: blew its top. ;p |
| 05:26.51 | enouf | haha |
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| 05:27.00 | geek | i suspect it MAY have been a dust explosion until i saw that |
| 05:27.05 | geek | was quite sudden |
| 05:27.12 | enouf | geek: i even replaced my p150 babyAT psu :-P |
| 05:27.15 | geek | considering the box travelled from UK to singapore... |
| 05:27.17 | geek | XD |
| 05:27.33 | enouf | hehe ... was scared of heights i guess :-p |
| 05:27.48 | geek | came by ship ;p |
| 05:27.57 | enouf | ahh.. sea sickness :-p |
| 05:28.14 | geek | ;p |
| 05:28.17 | geek | yeah |
| 05:28.25 | geek | old cases are sturdy |
| 05:28.53 | enouf | geek: sure are - i even have another p2 here to revamp :-) |
| 05:29.00 | geek | only part of that system that wasn't original is the ram (upgraded to near maximum) and the hard drives (still trying to decide what to do with a 13 gig drive) |
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| 05:29.35 | enouf | yep, i try to fill the suckers with ram - found a nice cheap dealer in calif, for new pc100/133, and even ddr, etc |
| 05:30.06 | geek | nice ;p |
| 05:30.43 | geek | first incarnation of that box was a NX server |
| 05:30.44 | enouf | yeah, i got 1.2G, 6.4G, a 8.4G, 2x 80G, oh, and a 40G |
| 05:31.12 | geek | i wasn't happy with near constant 20% load though |
| 05:31.29 | enouf | eww .. nx ... ewww |
| 05:31.41 | javanero | Anyone have suggestions for a cheap video card just capable of compiz ? |
| 05:31.48 | geek | i got a 13, a possibly non worky 250 a 80 5 40s a 300 (sata) etc... |
| 05:32.03 | geek | enouf: not efficient server side but it has its advantages |
| 05:32.09 | enouf | yeah, i'm looking for cheap new drives ;-P |
| 05:32.14 | geek | its fast and you can have persistant sessions |
| 05:32.23 | enouf | javanero: most anything |
| 05:32.28 | enouf | :-) |
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| 05:32.52 | geek | eh |
| 05:33.05 | geek | wonders if they fixed compiz on the x3100 yet |
| 05:33.09 | enouf | i think even intel igfx 845 Chipset did compiz for me on a knoppix boot |
| 05:33.18 | geek | thats OT though, the box in question runs kubuntu |
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| 05:34.11 | javanero | well. I'm still driving an old P4 with an older vido card |
| 05:34.39 | enouf | javanero: you might get more opinions from ##linux, #compiz-fusion (?), #hardware |
| 05:34.58 | enouf | wait - that reminds me geek - i got a p4 too! |
| 05:35.00 | enouf | :-P |
| 05:35.20 | geek | enouf: i got two. can't be bothered to fix em up yet since we have a DISTINCT lack of monitors |
| 05:35.27 | geek | 4 systems... 2 monitors ;p |
| 05:35.33 | javanero | I'm using Debian and I figured I would ask here ;-) |
| 05:35.33 | enouf | an old one, just after their flirtation with rdram - it uses pc133, lmao |
| 05:35.45 | enouf | which i ripped out and threw into my p1 O_o |
| 05:35.54 | enouf | erm, p2 |
| 05:35.58 | binarymutant | anyone know where I can find a good wallpaper for a transparent terminal? |
| 05:35.59 | geek | why not ;p |
| 05:36.00 | Maliuta | geek: I have 5 systems and 3 monitors |
| 05:36.16 | javanero | well ... time to gear down |
| 05:36.18 | geek | Maliuta: well nearly all of them need to run windows... |
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| 05:36.46 | Maliuta | geek: none of mine do |
| 05:36.50 | geek | i am quite happy with headless linux boxes. i only recently started seriously messing with remote desktop |
| 05:36.53 | Maliuta | geek: I'm allergic |
| 05:36.59 | geek | XD |
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| 05:37.22 | Maliuta | geek: my desktop is debian with XFCE and 3 heads |
| 05:37.35 | ameyer | remote desktop? |
| 05:37.44 | ameyer | uses ssh x forwarding for that |
| 05:37.45 | geek | Maliuta: personal systems are all linux based- either debian or kubuntu, these are for other people ;p |
| 05:38.01 | ameyer | although ssh x forwarding would suck across a wan |
| 05:38.02 | enouf | and the dog ;-p |
| 05:38.06 | geek | ameyer: from windows to linux. for the all of two non game windows software i like |
| 05:38.23 | ameyer | yeah, that'd be an issue |
| 05:38.27 | geek | ameyer: nx works acceptably across a wan. i used to use freenx for a bit |
| 05:38.40 | Maliuta | ameyer: it's definately not ssh forwarded and compressed vnc or rdp |
| 05:38.52 | geek | (i wish they would hurry up and have a decent monopaint release...) |
| 05:39.03 | ameyer | well, ssh x forwarding likes to use like 30 mbps... |
| 05:39.07 | geek | is a paint.net fan. however its windows only |
| 05:39.59 | geek | ameyer: MOST remote protocols suck in terms of bandwith usage |
| 05:39.59 | ameyer | no big deal across 100mbps lan, but it could be an issue over any consumer WAN |
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| 05:39.59 | ameyer | geek: but 30 mbps is a bit... excessive |
| 05:40.08 | geek | ameyer: i once had a box connected from bristol, UK to hungary, both sides using consumer lines, over nx ;p |
| 05:40.41 | ameyer | nx uses compressed images? |
| 05:41.10 | ameyer | is sorry he derailed the conversation |
| 05:41.19 | geek | ya |
| 05:41.24 | geek | or something |
| 05:41.31 | geek | its VERY efficient bandwith wise |
| 05:41.40 | ameyer | I believe it |
| 05:42.26 | enouf | ameyer: a somewhat welcomed derailing, chill :-) |
| 05:42.31 | ameyer | probably uses more CPU, though |
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| 05:42.39 | enouf | it's all noise anyway :-P |
| 05:43.03 | geek | ameyer: ~20% on my PIII 450 |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | geek: so, i got me this old p3 that came with an xpoop "pro" installation, i want to connect it to router for my LAN access, and i do not yet want it to have internet access - what should i disable in xpoop, besides RA/RDP stuffs? Or, is this primarily router settings? |
| 05:43.35 | ameyer | that's not too bad |
| 05:44.15 | geek | enouf: if you want to keep it off internet, i think it should be at the router |
| 05:44.21 | ameyer | enouf: you'd probably need to do some sort of router magic |
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| 05:44.44 | enouf | righto guys - consumer routers leave much to be desired for easy config |
| 05:44.47 | enouf | thanks |
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| 05:45.09 | ameyer | although you might be able to sort of prevent wan access by making xp use bogus dns servers |
| 05:45.24 | geek | enouf: or try messing with the internal firewall, or the hosts file |
| 05:45.43 | enouf | finds asian<->english translations a bit like trying to decipher k control center selections |
| 05:45.54 | ameyer | although that wouldn't, say, prevent a connection directly to an IP |
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| 05:46.19 | ameyer | or, apparently, certain MS hosts that are hardcoded into the DNS resolver |
| 05:46.25 | geek | firewall may do that, but the xp firewall stops incoming not outgoing IIRC... |
| 05:47.11 | geek | or.. plugging it into a linux box with firewall settings telling it to send anything thats not on the 192.x.x to somewhere where the sun don't shine? ;p |
| 05:49.37 | enouf | lmao - someone in ##windows said to block port 80 :-p |
| 05:50.42 | greeq | can i get 5.1 sound on lenny? |
| 05:51.46 | enouf | b-04: you know about 5.1? |
| 05:52.35 | enouf | greeq: should be doable |
| 05:53.08 | ameyer | greeq: depending on your sound card, it should be doable |
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| 05:53.40 | greeq | i have creative audigy 2. so can i get the linux drivers for lenny from creative that should do? |
| 05:53.44 | geek | enouf: the box is running but i seem unable to log in. when i keyed in my username, there's no password prompt |
| 05:53.50 | enouf | geek: just realized, you deal with 220v :-p ... we're 110 here ;-) |
| 05:53.51 | ameyer | DISCLAIMER: I've never done it or even tried to... |
| 05:53.58 | geek | enouf: and? ;p |
| 05:54.16 | geek | most PSUs handle that quite gracefully, as did my arm.... |
| 05:55.07 | enouf | geek: sure, it's the amperage that matters, but still - compare the two via completing the circuit using your body ;-) |
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| 05:55.18 | geek | ;p |
| 05:55.20 | geek | naw |
| 05:55.49 | greeq | ? |
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| 05:55.58 | enouf | greeq: i wouldn't think you'd need creative drivers, but sigh, i don't know |
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| 05:56.52 | enouf | greeq: poke about at http://alsa.opensrc.org ? find some #alsa related channels? |
| 05:57.26 | enouf | greeq: with lenny, atleast you have more recent alsa-source and a .26 kernel, so .. |
| 05:57.45 | geek | enouf: you COULD block port 80 but you need a third party firewall |
| 05:58.14 | enouf | geek: ouch - erm, hrm .. |
| 05:58.31 | enouf | geek: that won't be even close to being enough ;-) |
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| 06:00.15 | enouf | geek: remember, i didn't install this xpoop, but i did clean it up a bit, and defraggle it's very fragged ntfs, did some mild registry diving, but it has no AV, no anti-spyware yet - hence my lan to send shit to it :-) |
| 06:00.47 | geek | enouf: dude... flash drives ;p |
| 06:00.56 | enouf | geek: i could sneakernet it, and such .. but no ! |
| 06:01.00 | enouf | :O |
| 06:01.05 | geek | i can recommend a few good free (as in beer) apps for it |
| 06:01.25 | enouf | i know most of them (sadly), but ok |
| 06:01.40 | geek | JKdefrag is an excellent defragger |
| 06:01.56 | geek | i tend to throw on AVG and spybot on most user facing systems as well |
| 06:02.09 | geek | oh, and naturally don't use the admin account |
| 06:02.11 | enouf | geek: ever seen how slim the friggin cdrom drives are in a compaq deskpro? lmao .. it's so cool for 1999 tech :-P |
| 06:02.18 | geek | XD |
| 06:02.21 | geek | nope ;p |
| 06:02.47 | geek | other than one viglen all my systems are built to spec ;p |
| 06:02.55 | enouf | yep, AVG + spybot/spware-blaster/spyware-doctor/hijackthis + sysinternals :-P |
| 06:03.28 | geek | sysinternals tends to be part of my ohshitkit |
| 06:03.45 | enouf | geek: it;s so thin, it's not even fat enough to allow for a standard PSU 4pin molex connector :-P |
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| 06:03.52 | geek | o0 |
| 06:03.58 | geek | slot loader? |
| 06:04.12 | geek | it sounds almost like they squished a laptop drive in there |
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| 06:06.23 | enouf | geek: indeed .. |
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| 06:06.37 | enouf | geek: it's got a proprietary ribbon connector |
| 06:06.53 | enouf | there's no room for anything else :-P |
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| 06:07.27 | geek | thought so ;p |
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| 06:07.47 | enouf | geek: it acts just like todays laptop drives, yep, you hit eject button, it doesn't slide, it 'pops' open only :-P |
| 06:07.58 | enouf | but this is 1999ware :-P |
| 06:08.17 | enouf | and what did we get in the last 9-10 years? lmao |
| 06:08.39 | enouf | more and more issues with optical media, and now.. more Sony Shit |
| 06:08.56 | enouf | i hope Bluray poops on itself, and ruins people's data |
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| 06:09.06 | geek | enouf: it probably US a laptop drive ;p |
| 06:09.13 | geek | *is |
| 06:09.47 | geek | ya |
| 06:10.04 | geek | then again, i tend to believe in waiting till the screaming stops (tm) before upgrading |
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| 06:10.19 | enouf | geek: i know .. that's not the issue :-) though it certainly helps this design for modularity and compactness - i want a DVD drive atleast in there :-P |
| 06:10.26 | geek | ;p |
| 06:10.47 | enouf | and i'm not shelling out for a craptop slim DVD drive |
| 06:10.52 | enouf | :-p |
| 06:12.05 | enouf | geek: and .. no idea how easy it'll be to match up to this proprietary connector either (moreso the pain) |
| 06:12.32 | enouf | geek: the connector supplies power as well .. it's fugly weirdy |
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| 06:12.47 | geek | probably very ;p |
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| 06:28.51 | glguy | I was thinking of switching on of my OpenBSD machines to Debian, but I was wondering if Debian's OpenSSL would be able to take advantage of PadLock (the aes accelerator) like OpenBSD's does |
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| 06:31.25 | neoice_ | glguy: I imagine the patch is at least avalible if you wanted to compile |
| 06:32.09 | neoice_ | "padlock openssh" on google turns up a Ubuntu bug report from 2007 |
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| 06:34.17 | neoice_ | it does look like you'd have to compile from source |
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| 06:34.33 | neoice_ | but if that's something important to you, you should try and get it added to the repo :)) |
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| 06:41.30 | Gryfelhas | Hi. how can I check if my external harddisc is a sata or pata build in ? |
| 06:41.42 | Gryfelhas | from terminal, won't open the case |
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| 06:43.24 | enouf | Gryfelhas: does it matter? |
| 06:43.38 | enouf | Gryfelhas: it's the controller chip that matters |
| 06:44.51 | Gryfelhas | Yes, I'm think about buying a nex computer and if it's sata I'll put it in there |
| 06:44.52 | enouf | Gryfelhas: i mean, it could be a 1st gen SATA using a SATA<->PATA bridge even - who know what proprietary crap your "enclosure" incorporates |
| 06:45.10 | enouf | open the sucker |
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| 06:45.32 | enouf | or, grab the make/model and google-fu it |
| 06:45.34 | ameyer | Gryfelhas: you could try using google from some CLI webbrowser |
| 06:45.46 | ameyer | erm, enouf beat me to it |
| 06:45.49 | enouf | !links2 |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | i heard links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 06:45.52 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:45.58 | Gryfelhas | ok, I'm on the desktop :) |
| 06:46.10 | Gryfelhas | But wouldn't install something bloaded :) |
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| 06:46.31 | ameyer | but somebody somewhere probably opened one up and posted their findings on the internets somewhere where a search engine could have found it |
| 06:46.37 | enouf | no bloat! ftw |
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| 06:46.39 | Gryfelhas | ok, I'll use google |
| 06:46.44 | geek | lol |
| 06:47.14 | ameyer | I don't *think* USB MSC exposes anything useful anyway |
| 06:47.38 | enouf | Gryfelhas: you might get specific drive info from lshal, dmesg, ls -l /dev/disk/by-* if you have it connected too |
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| 06:50.44 | Gryfelhas | thx all, got it |
| 06:51.34 | wols_ | Gryfelhas: you can't. since for linux it shows as USB drive |
| 06:52.00 | wols_ | if hdparm or smartmontools work for it, they might tell you the type/model no of the drive |
| 06:52.01 | Gryfelhas | wols_: I got it via google |
| 06:52.23 | ameyer | does it really matter what a backup drive uses internally? |
| 06:52.39 | wols_ | ameyer: if he wants to put it into a PC as a main drive, yes |
| 06:52.43 | wols_ | behind USB, it doesn't |
| 06:53.07 | ameyer | true |
| 06:53.54 | ameyer | although, various linux tools would probably show the drive was SCSI and/or SATA |
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| 06:54.08 | ameyer | and IIRC SMART doesn't work over USB |
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| 06:56.45 | glguy | I thought I downloaded both a boot.img.gz and a netinstall iso from the same version |
| 06:56.49 | geek | hmm |
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| 06:57.02 | glguy | but the installer is telling me that my kernel modules don't exist |
| 06:57.06 | glguy | and might be a mismatch |
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| 07:00.23 | glguy | Could someone help me find the correct hd-media boot.img.gz to correspond to debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 07:02.21 | Stratman4300 | how is gnash these days guys??? the last time i tried it, it was still in it's infancy... i read somewhere the other day that it's getting better. |
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| 07:07.00 | spifff | hi. i'm trying to set up a raid1 volume during debian installation in degraded mode, i.e. with only one of the two disks present (the other one still holds backup data and will be added to the volume after i've copied the data across to the newly partitioned disk). the debian installer doesn't let me do this though... |
| 07:07.18 | spifff | can i set up the raid volume manually and then let the installer continue? |
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| 07:11.56 | ross` | how do i create group svn and make users azrule and www-data join it |
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| 07:13.56 | parfu | Pc without cd.I have a 128Mb Flash Drive.Is it possible to net install debian testing? |
| 07:14.41 | Stratman4300 | is there anyway to throttle the amount of bandwidth used by apt??? |
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| 07:15.10 | mhymn | ross`: 'addgroup' and 'adduser' ? |
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| 07:15.22 | ross` | those users already exist |
| 07:15.29 | ross` | i jsut want them to join group svn |
| 07:15.30 | ross` | :P |
| 07:15.41 | ross` | thanks th for addgroup |
| 07:16.34 | ross` | so now that group svn is created.... how do i add users to it |
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| 07:16.41 | ameyer | Stratman4300: trickle might work |
| 07:16.42 | geek | parfu: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall ... it should be possible |
| 07:17.23 | spifff | ross`, there's probably a neater way, but you can just /etc/group |
| 07:17.31 | ameyer | trickle -d (insert download rate in KB/s here) -u (insert upload rate in KB/s here) |
| 07:17.32 | spifff | just edit /etc/group i mean |
| 07:17.38 | ross` | spifff: i know but what do i put |
| 07:17.41 | ross` | ? |
| 07:17.52 | mhymn | ross`: adduser USER GROUP |
| 07:17.53 | spifff | the last field is a comma separated list of user names |
| 07:18.02 | ameyer | Stratman4300: you'll probably need to install trickle, though |
| 07:18.07 | mhymn | !tell ross` about rtfm |
| 07:18.55 | Stratman4300 | ameyer: is trickle a network throttling app??? |
| 07:19.15 | ross` | mhymn: i cant useradd a user taht already exists |
| 07:19.16 | ameyer | yes |
| 07:19.20 | ross` | waht dont you understand about that |
| 07:19.23 | ross` | spifff: thans |
| 07:19.25 | ross` | thanks* |
| 07:20.01 | ameyer | erm, the command line I posted would also need the command you want to run throttled |
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| 07:20.32 | ross` | svn:x:1009:www-data,azrule |
| 07:20.38 | ross` | spifff: would that work in /etc/group |
| 07:20.51 | spifff | yeah |
| 07:21.02 | spifff | the users you added have to log in again to get the group |
| 07:21.06 | ross` | making www-data and azrule part fo that group so whenever i chown something to group svn |
| 07:21.13 | ross` | azrule and www-data will have read AND wrtie access? |
| 07:21.38 | ross` | spifff: is there a command to see what groups your user is in? |
| 07:21.45 | spifff | id |
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| 07:22.20 | ameyer | Stratman4300: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=trickle&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+Sid&format=html&locale=en |
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| 07:23.13 | Stratman4300 | ameyer: thanks!! =) |
| 07:23.39 | ross` | spifff: how would i go about adding www-data tho |
| 07:23.43 | ross` | restart my server? |
| 07:23.46 | ross` | =/ |
| 07:24.03 | spifff | no just restart the service |
| 07:24.03 | geek | hmm |
| 07:24.22 | spifff | when the script changes uid from root to www-data it will pick up the groups |
| 07:24.44 | geek | a bit OT but what's the quickest way to totally erase a disk. i don't need it secure, i just need it to appear empty for the installer since the previous user had some LVM thing on it |
| 07:24.50 | ross` | restart apache2? |
| 07:24.54 | ross` | is what your saying |
| 07:25.11 | ross` | spifff: ? |
| 07:25.49 | ross` | ok, taht worked :) |
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| 07:26.23 | ross` | atleast i think id did |
| 07:26.24 | ross` | it* |
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| 07:27.41 | enouf | geek: just an aside http://club.cdfreaks.com/f61/notebook-optical-drive-upgrade-help-different-pin-connection-210284/ |
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| 07:28.31 | spifff | partman: /dev/mapper/qnap-root is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 07:28.40 | mhymn | ross`: wish you know that 'adduser' is not 'useradd', and i told you to read 'man adduser' but ... |
| 07:28.51 | spifff | hrm... any hints? |
| 07:30.19 | ross` | hmm |
| 07:30.41 | ross` | spifff: how do i chown a whoel directory sctucture |
| 07:30.50 | ross` | chown azrule:svn /azrule/svn |
| 07:30.58 | ross` | does not chown the contents of azrule/svn |
| 07:31.01 | spifff | ross`, did you look at the chown manpage? |
| 07:31.07 | ross` | hmm no moment |
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| 07:58.31 | spifff | i wish the installer would just let met start over with the partitioning... |
| 07:58.45 | spifff | i've got some stupid lvm volumes hanging around that it cant seem to remove |
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| 07:59.07 | enouf | geek: dd and /dev/zero |
| 07:59.22 | dudeman | when do you sleep? |
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| 07:59.58 | Maliuta | sleep when you're dead |
| 08:01.01 | enouf | kills dudeman so he can sleep ... |
| 08:01.07 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:01.26 | dudeman | I ran out of skittles |
| 08:01.27 | dudeman | :( |
| 08:01.31 | Maliuta | is lucky |
| 08:01.33 | dudeman | and kitkat |
| 08:01.39 | Maliuta | I'm so gothic I'm already dead |
| 08:01.40 | dudeman | and hersheys |
| 08:01.59 | dudeman | oh man I want some choc covered almondy thingies |
| 08:02.06 | Guerin | fuckin'a |
| 08:02.07 | dudeman | i love kit kat |
| 08:02.07 | enouf | allows the godiva to melt in mouth ;-) |
| 08:02.13 | dudeman | ew |
| 08:02.15 | dudeman | i hate that crap |
| 08:02.22 | dudeman | too fancy |
| 08:02.29 | Guerin | we had some scorched almonds but deb ate 'em all |
| 08:02.46 | Guerin | then again, pregnant women gets what pregnant women wants |
| 08:02.49 | enouf | beans dudeman in the noggin with an m&m peanut |
| 08:02.53 | dudeman | whoah! |
| 08:02.57 | dudeman | Guerin score! |
| 08:03.02 | dudeman | his boys can swim! |
| 08:03.05 | Maliuta | is addicted to dutch chocolate |
| 08:03.07 | dudeman | congrats man |
| 08:03.12 | dudeman | pats Guerin on the back |
| 08:03.15 | dudeman | u da man |
| 08:03.16 | Guerin | dude, you're about six months behind the times |
| 08:03.26 | dudeman | dude you suck |
| 08:03.29 | Guerin | mini-G is due in six weeks |
| 08:03.31 | streuner | 6 months? |
| 08:03.35 | dudeman | fuckin a |
| 08:03.45 | enouf | gonna name her gstring? |
| 08:03.50 | Guerin | unlikely |
| 08:03.51 | dudeman | dude |
| 08:03.56 | dudeman | that was uncalled for |
| 08:04.04 | dudeman | but just imagine |
| 08:04.08 | Guerin | gets enouf added to the paedophile list |
| 08:04.12 | streuner | Guerin: better listen to that (no blues) ;-) - http://208.122.59.30:7734 |
| 08:04.15 | dudeman | in 18 years your daughter would be legal! ;) |
| 08:04.17 | dudeman | runs away |
| 08:04.26 | dudeman | hehehe |
| 08:04.26 | Guerin | dudeman: yeah, and you'd be old and fat and bald |
| 08:04.31 | dudeman | hahaha |
| 08:04.32 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:04.36 | dudeman | good one |
| 08:04.40 | dudeman | fat no |
| 08:04.42 | dudeman | bald maybe |
| 08:04.43 | dudeman | old yes |
| 08:04.57 | streuner | bald=soon |
| 08:04.57 | enouf | all that matters is $$$ |
| 08:05.03 | streuner | (in german) |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | this is true for a certain type of woman |
| 08:05.08 | enouf | teach ... your children well ... |
| 08:05.13 | Guerin | but my girl ain't going to be so |
| 08:05.29 | dudeman | so when are you gonna teach your kid to roll his first spliff? |
| 08:05.48 | Guerin | when she's old enough |
| 08:05.48 | streuner | There are a number of people who didnt match what parents expected... |
| 08:05.48 | dudeman | Guerin, good answer |
| 08:05.52 | enouf | i didn't even know you're expecting a daughter - 50/50 - but i'm a gambler ;-) |
| 08:06.03 | enouf | with OPP :-p |
| 08:06.16 | Guerin | yeh, it's only 80% certain, though |
| 08:06.30 | dudeman | what are you gonna name her? |
| 08:06.45 | streuner | heh, Guerin is pragnant? |
| 08:06.50 | dudeman | HAHAHAHA |
| 08:06.53 | dudeman | streuner, you ass! |
| 08:06.56 | Guerin | dunno yet. If deb's dad turns out to be dying of cancer (like the tests indicate) he gets naming rightsd |
| 08:06.57 | enouf | tells everyone his real name .. Paulson |
| 08:07.00 | streuner | dudeman: ;-) |
| 08:07.23 | dudeman | uh... |
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| 08:07.36 | dudeman | so do you want to be able to pick the name |
| 08:07.40 | dudeman | OR |
| 08:07.43 | dudeman | do you want him to die? |
| 08:08.08 | Guerin | that's what I would politely call a fucking stupid question |
| 08:08.14 | dudeman | :) |
| 08:08.18 | dudeman | it was meant to be funny |
| 08:08.21 | dudeman | I guess I failed |
| 08:08.22 | geek | enouf: i ended up running DBAN partially ;p |
| 08:08.25 | Guerin | deb already had one parent die of cancer; two just ain't right |
| 08:08.25 | enouf | Guerin: btw - congratulations |
| 08:08.28 | dudeman | my bad if i crossed the line |
| 08:08.30 | dudeman | u da man |
| 08:08.36 | enouf | geek: no necessito :-P |
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| 08:08.43 | Guerin | enouf: cheers. I'm looking forward to it more than I would have guessed this time last year. |
| 08:08.44 | dudeman | Guerin, why not? |
| 08:08.50 | dudeman | why are people so fucking selfish |
| 08:08.52 | mhymn | any debian question, please join #debian-offtopic |
| 08:09.00 | dudeman | why is it that its HER loss that her paretns are dying |
| 08:09.03 | dudeman | huh? |
| 08:09.17 | streuner | mhymn: have fun there ;-) |
| 08:09.19 | dudeman | why can't it be the GAIN of the parents to not be in this miserable fucking shitty world anymore |
| 08:09.27 | Guerin | dudeman: why is sky blue, why is water wet? |
| 08:09.38 | enouf | mhymn: erm, stop being OT! :-p |
| 08:09.43 | endra | Hello, I did a netstat -lp to determine ports that are listening and I found the following programs listening on a port, can someone tell me what they are please: rpc.statd, portmap, exim4 (I know what exim4 is but why is it listening?) |
| 08:09.44 | streuner | haha |
| 08:09.55 | mhymn | heh |
| 08:09.58 | dudeman | if you bleive in all that bible hoopla then why are you sad that your loved ones are in a 'better place'. if it a better place, why are you saying 'its not right'? |
| 08:10.02 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 08:10.02 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 08:10.07 | dudeman | there is absolutely no consistency in this world |
| 08:10.12 | dudeman | everythign is full of bullshit |
| 08:10.13 | dudeman | :/ |
| 08:10.23 | Guerin | greycat, we salute you |
| 08:10.36 | karsten | dudeman: /join ##debian-offtopic |
| 08:10.44 | dudeman | im done anyway |
| 08:10.58 | streuner | karsten: sometimes you are really boring! |
| 08:11.03 | enouf | dudeman: no deepness allowed - come up for air :-) |
| 08:11.06 | dudeman | yeh he is isn't he |
| 08:11.23 | karsten | streuner: Yeah, the rest of the time I'm flagging. |
| 08:11.44 | streuner | karsten: we celebrate the time when Guerin have some good news.... |
| 08:12.09 | karsten | endra: You've got a set of NFS packages installed. statd and portmap. exim4 is a mail server. Yes, you should leave it installed. |
| 08:12.22 | karsten | !beer Guerin |
| 08:12.22 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for Guerin |
| 08:12.24 | Maliuta | or replace exim with postfix |
| 08:12.34 | karsten | Guerin: How the hell did you manaage to become pregnant? |
| 08:12.41 | endra | karsten: it being.. statd and portmap or exim4? |
| 08:12.53 | karsten | Maliuta: I was sort of answering the question of "do I need a mail server installed?" |
| 08:13.01 | streuner | Guerin: congrats and all to best for you and your family |
| 08:13.12 | karsten | endra: exim. Linux likes having a local mailserver for messaging. |
| 08:13.18 | dudeman | Guerin, and from me too :) |
| 08:13.25 | Guerin | karsten: it was on my birthday. |
| 08:13.31 | Guerin | streuner: cheers :) |
| 08:13.38 | Guerin | dudeman: cheers to you too |
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| 08:13.48 | karsten | Guerin: Go figure. |
| 08:13.48 | dudeman | lifts his mug |
| 08:13.51 | endra | karsten: so unless I use NFS, I don't need statd and portmap? |
| 08:13.53 | dudeman | salut |
| 08:13.58 | karsten | endra: Correct. |
| 08:14.16 | karsten | endra: Um. Not positive on portmapper, but I'm not aware of what else uses it other tan nfs. |
| 08:14.30 | endra | Any idea why it would come pre-installed with debian? |
| 08:14.46 | karsten | endra: Nothing comes preinstalled on Debian. |
| 08:14.56 | endra | Well, in the base installation |
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| 08:15.33 | karsten | endra: I strongly suspect it isn't. If you're bieng good and are using atptitude, you'll find when it was installed logged in /var/log/aptitude* |
| 08:15.45 | endra | I always use aptitude |
| 08:16.03 | karsten | endra: Good. Then you can answer that question. |
| 08:16.22 | karsten | If you have nay _other_ RPC-based systems installed it's possible they've installed stad and/or portmapper. See what wants to be uninstalled if you try to remove them. |
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| 08:16.51 | geek | erf |
| 08:16.54 | karsten | endra: portmap is used by NIS, NFS, and FAM. |
| 08:17.26 | geek | is missing something. i can't seem to grok on how to get two drives to be seen as a single large one with LVM on a fresh install |
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| 08:31.41 | ragix | Hmm, I am having some trouble with the squid wccp setup, i think my iptables rule to redirect incoming connection from port 80 to 3128 isnt working, what is the best way to find out where it is failing? |
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| 08:32.20 | tictac | ragix: do you have --dst $EXTIP listed in your rule? |
| 08:33.05 | tictac | i just went through about 2 hours of troubleshooting getting my vonage to work. i didnt have that in my forwarding rule. once i added it, everything worked great. (weird as ive never used it for any other forwarding rules and they have worked for years) |
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| 08:33.14 | ragix | this is what i have, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wccp2 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
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| 08:33.54 | tictac | try iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst 12.34.56.78 -i wccp2 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 08:34.02 | endra | Do we need inetd? |
| 08:34.15 | tictac | replace 12.34.56.78 with your external ip address, obviously. |
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| 08:35.02 | tictac | err nevermind. you are redirecting from internal lab. |
| 08:35.06 | tictac | err lan. |
| 08:35.19 | tictac | sorry. im half asleep. |
| 08:36.18 | ragix | Yeah, wccp forwards whole packets via a gre tunnel from the router to a web cache |
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| 08:37.03 | ragix | They come in on port 80 and i redirect them to port 3128 (squid) |
| 08:37.33 | ragix | it just stoped working tho, the tunnel seems to be working, but i dont think the packets are getting redirected to port 3128 |
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| 08:37.55 | inad922 | hello |
| 08:38.23 | inad922 | is there a way to see the history of package installs and removes with apt since the install of a system? |
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| 08:39.39 | laura | +hi |
| 08:39.47 | wols_ | inad922: only /var/log/dpkg* |
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| 08:42.35 | inad922 | its not bad as a starter has package names with dates so I can make some recovery with it. Thanks wols_ |
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| 08:44.18 | ma3x | how come pcspkr's not loaded and computer's beeping when i press some keys (after hibernation) |
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| 08:44.50 | superlinux | hi all |
| 08:45.06 | superlinux | can an IRC server redirect you to another IRC server? |
| 08:45.28 | superlinux | based on a selection of a room? |
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| 08:47.42 | Eulex | superlinux, I do not believe so. |
| 08:47.44 | cahoot | ma3x: snd-pcsp loaded? |
| 08:48.08 | ma3x | yes cahoot i tried to remove it but it's used by some other module, do you know which one? |
| 08:48.17 | cahoot | ma3x: snd-pcsp loaded |
| 08:48.53 | superlinux | Eulex, ok.. i'll see |
| 08:48.56 | cahoot | ma3x: snd-pcsp is the alsa equivala |
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| 08:48.59 | superlinux | on google |
| 08:48.59 | cahoot | ent |
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| 08:52.00 | ma3x | cahoot: i restarted alsa via /etc/init.d and now there's no problem. i get annoying beeps otherwise when i press some buttons |
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| 08:53.50 | cahoot | ma3x: if I understand you correctly you want to blacklist both pcspkr and snd-pcsp |
| 08:54.46 | ma3x | cahoot: yeah that's right! |
| 08:54.50 | ma3x | good idea |
| 08:55.09 | Bassetts | Hello, I am trying to install Lenny in a VM via the netinstall beta 2 and I keep getting "Installation Step Failed" when it is installing/configuring packages. |
| 08:56.01 | wols_ | Bassetts: WHICH packages? |
| 08:56.13 | wols_ | and do you have network access from lenny to the internet? |
| 08:56.20 | Bassetts | wols_: I did not have the sense to catch it =( |
| 08:56.27 | Bassetts | and yes, it downloaded all the packages |
| 08:56.49 | wols_ | Bassetts: you did something ebfore it tried to install them. what? |
| 08:57.22 | ragix | lol |
| 08:57.48 | Bassetts | wols_: I just went through the installation steps, it got to the installation/configuring software part and it always throws up the error, as recommended by the installer I tried running the step again but it fails almost instantly |
| 08:58.18 | ma3x | cahoot: i get another higher sound when i plug off/on the battery charger of the notebook. this happens usually after resume. do you know what's beeping? neither pcspkr nor snd-pcsp are loaded |
| 08:58.19 | ragix | woop, just fixed my problem |
| 08:58.45 | Bassetts | ma3x: do you have a acer? |
| 08:58.51 | Doctor_Nick | MOTHER 3 |
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| 08:58.56 | ma3x | Bassetts: fujitsu |
| 08:59.27 | Bassetts | ma3x: not sure about them, I know some acers seem to have it hardwired in so they beep when the charger is unplugged/plugged in |
| 08:59.32 | Hilaus | how can I install pecl on debian? |
| 08:59.54 | ma3x | ma3x@localhost:~$ /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
| 08:59.55 | ma3x | Stopping ACPI services.../etc/init.d/acpid: line 100: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 09:00.14 | ma3x | why is it not finding that start-stop-daemon, should i reinstall dpkg or what? |
| 09:01.39 | ma3x | damn something still keeps beeping |
| 09:01.45 | ma3x | i disabled the acpi thing |
| 09:01.51 | ma3x | yet it keeps doing it |
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| 09:04.56 | ma3x | it was again alsa |
| 09:05.33 | ma3x | anyone have any idea how to correct this? http://paste.debian.net/19546/ |
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| 09:07.00 | poisonapples | hello |
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| 09:10.08 | ricosecada | I just updated my laptop from etch to lenny, after doing so I have something called "nepomukservices" running constantly making my CPU reach 85%. Anyone know how to get rid of that? |
| 09:10.32 | Maliuta | kill |
| 09:10.43 | ricosecada | I mean uninstall |
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| 09:11.02 | slhui | Hi everybody |
| 09:11.10 | simonrvn | at least ban the fugger |
| 09:11.14 | slhui | i need a little help |
| 09:11.31 | simonrvn | just ask, simpler |
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| 09:11.43 | slhui | I neeh to use the at command on debian but I can't "install" this command |
| 09:12.02 | Hilaus | how can I install php > 5.2 in debian? |
| 09:12.04 | slhui | I have this error |
| 09:12.23 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 09:12.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:12.28 | slhui | -bash : at : command not found |
| 09:12.53 | simonrvn | comes with atd package, should be there, it's installed by default |
| 09:12.59 | slhui | how ? |
| 09:13.09 | simonrvn | how what? |
| 09:13.30 | slhui | how is oit possible to install this package , |
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| 09:13.43 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 09:13.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 09:13.54 | slhui | (Usually, I work on ubunutu dist.... so debian... it is differnt) |
| 09:14.24 | simonrvn | not that much, WRT installing stuff |
| 09:14.46 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 09:14.53 | slhui | OK? I try, I haved forgot the "d" : at not atd?. I comme back.... |
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| 09:15.45 | slhui | I hav this erreur (in french ) : impossible to find the atd package |
| 09:15.48 | wols_ | Bassetts: do not install ANY software there and install it later after the installer is complete. then you get useful errors |
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| 09:16.25 | Bassetts | wols_: how can I stop it installing the system without installing software? |
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| 09:16.34 | Bassetts | I did not tell it to install anything extra |
| 09:17.01 | slhui | I haven 't unserstand simonrvn |
| 09:17.03 | wols_ | there are things selected. unselect them |
| 09:17.25 | wols_ | slhui: pastbin your sources.list |
| 09:17.41 | Bassetts | wols_: so just get the base installed then when that boots just run tasksel? |
| 09:17.52 | slhui | sorry wols ? |
| 09:17.54 | wols_ | do NOT run tasksel but install the stuff via aptitude |
| 09:18.07 | wols_ | slhui: put the contents of your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 09:18.13 | wols_ | and show it to us |
| 09:18.26 | Bassetts | wols_: i dont know what it installs in the installer... |
| 09:18.28 | slhui | so on th command linte : aptitude atd ? |
| 09:18.43 | wols_ | Bassetts: that this matters how? |
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| 09:18.57 | wols_ | slhui: no. read the apt howto when you don't know how to use it |
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| 09:19.11 | slhui | Yes, i have seen ..... |
| 09:19.12 | wols_ | slhui: and I didn't tell you to use aptitude but to show us your sources.list |
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| 09:19.13 | Bassetts | wols_: you told me to install nothing in the installer, if I dont know what it installs how can I get a system setup |
| 09:19.33 | slhui | wols, I can't do that.... |
| 09:19.43 | slhui | is it difficult ? |
| 09:19.52 | wols_ | slhui: why can't you do it? |
| 09:20.29 | wols_ | Bassetts: by engaging 5 braincells or asking here if you lack them |
| 09:20.48 | slhui | wols : I dont know where is the file sources.list |
| 09:20.53 | Bassetts | wols_: there is no need to be rude |
| 09:20.54 | wols_ | slhui: /etc/apt/ |
| 09:21.10 | wols_ | Bassetts: there is no need to be stupid either. good day and have a nice day |
| 09:21.19 | slhui | so, I write : vi /etc/apt.sources.list ? |
| 09:21.33 | wols_ | !tell slhui about grounding |
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| 09:23.14 | slhui | ? |
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| 09:34.53 | Hilaus | how can I upgrade php 5.0 to 5.2 in debian etch? I've done "apt-get upgrade" and nothing.. |
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| 09:36.17 | jelly-home | Hilaus: versions in debian stable do not change |
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| 09:36.57 | Hilaus | jelly-home: and how can I upgrade then? remove and reinstall? |
| 09:37.19 | wols_ | !tell Hilaus about backports |
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| 09:37.27 | Maliuta | roll your own |
| 09:37.41 | wols_ | Maliuta: worst solution ever |
| 09:37.41 | Doctor_Nick | OBAMA 08 |
| 09:37.53 | Maliuta | wols_: not really |
| 09:37.56 | wols_ | Doctor_Nick: do not do this |
| 09:38.07 | wols_ | Maliuta: yes. stop suggesting it here, especially when you don't have a clue |
| 09:38.10 | Maliuta | wols_: especially if you don't want/need everything the package maintainers put in them |
| 09:38.33 | wols_ | Maliuta: then you recompile the package. different thing. and my backport factoid links to that to |
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| 09:38.41 | wols_ | *too |
| 09:38.42 | Maliuta | wols_: I don't have a clue??? that's right, I haven't maintained repositories for companies that operate worldwide |
| 09:38.43 | jelly-home | Hilaus: in general you can't, there will be a newer version supported by debian when lenny is released |
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| 09:39.11 | wols_ | Maliuta: spare me the grandstanding please. it's no argument |
| 09:39.15 | Maliuta | wols_: I have never built and package apache, php and host of other things for production environments |
| 09:40.15 | wols_ | Maliuta: shows what a fool you are. now goodbye |
| 09:40.15 | Maliuta | wols_: a fool runs exactly the same binary as every other fool |
| 09:40.15 | Maliuta | and has the exact same security risk |
| 09:40.15 | jelly-home | has done that too, but doesn't suggest it to casual #d users |
| 09:40.15 | wols_ | Maliuta: you compile your OWN package and install THAT! |
| 09:40.41 | wols_ | and there is the thing of suggesting such an apprach to any #d user as well as jelly-home mentioned |
| 09:40.54 | Maliuta | and if something isn't available as a package at the point release you want rolling your own package is a valid solution |
| 09:41.10 | wols_ | Maliuta: then you BACKPORT it |
| 09:41.20 | Maliuta | it's stupid to expect everyone else to do the work for you |
| 09:41.44 | wols_ | oh well. another sunday guy. waste of time. HAND |
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| 09:41.53 | jelly-home | Maliuta: if you prepared to help the user to "roll her own", sure, go ahead |
| 09:42.24 | wols_ | jelly-home: even then. tomorrow he's gone and when the user comes back next week with a problem, we are left holding the bag |
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| 09:42.32 | jelly-home | wols_: "we"? |
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| 09:42.38 | wols_ | jelly-home: we as in #d |
| 09:42.59 | geek | personally learning to 'roll your own' is a LOT more work than using a repo |
| 09:43.00 | wols_ | but the user complains "#d told me to do this", blaming #debian, not the moron who suggested it and is now gone |
| 09:43.02 | jelly-home | a backport is a backport |
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| 09:43.23 | geek | not to mention you lose the advantage of being able to use apt to keep things up to date |
| 09:43.37 | wols_ | geek: you lose that with custom packages too |
| 09:43.50 | Maliuta | wols_: bull crap |
| 09:43.56 | wols_ | but at least you can cleanly remove your custom ones and make a new one if you need to upgrade or fix something |
| 09:44.00 | jelly-home | geek: the implications are one will keep his own repo up to date |
| 09:44.12 | Maliuta | I use apt/aptitude to manage all my installs, even those of custome packages |
| 09:44.36 | jelly-home | Maliuta: how do you manage security issues? |
| 09:44.39 | wols_ | Maliuta: so you lied? "< Maliuta> wols_: I have never built and package apache, php and host of other things for production environments |
| 09:44.58 | jelly-home | wols_: "sarcasm" |
| 09:45.02 | Maliuta | wols_: it's called sarcasm dickwad |
| 09:45.11 | wols_ | Maliuta: stop the ad hominem |
| 09:45.25 | geek | right... |
| 09:45.27 | Maliuta | jelly-home: I am on alot of lists, keep upto date with what vulnerablities are out there |
| 09:45.40 | geek | feels stupid but thinks i FINALLY got my server back up |
| 09:45.53 | Maliuta | jelly-home: you'd be surprised the amount of time issues that pop up aren't an issue because your binary doesn't have that code blob in it |
| 09:45.57 | jelly-home | Maliuta: ok, so are you suggesting Hilaus to do the same? |
| 09:46.02 | rvalles | geek: you're mixing first person and third person there |
| 09:46.06 | Maliuta | jelly-home: and the others are just issues of patching |
| 09:46.16 | rvalles | you don't just feel stupid :P |
| 09:46.17 | Maliuta | jelly-home: depends on how bad they want a point release |
| 09:46.22 | geek | rvalles: yes, i believe he has ;p |
| 09:46.44 | Maliuta | jelly-home: if it's a show stopper, then yes they should |
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| 09:48.52 | jelly-home | Maliuta: and how much time do you spend on tracking, building and upgrading the systems that need out-of-distro releases? |
| 09:49.29 | Maliuta | jelly-home: minimal |
| 09:49.51 | jelly-home | an hour a week? |
| 09:49.53 | Maliuta | jelly-home: you save a lot of time re-using scripts and the like |
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| 09:49.54 | wols_ | jelly-home: do you believe to get a honest answer from believiers? |
| 09:50.12 | Maliuta | wols_: and you believe one binary fits all |
| 09:50.27 | Maliuta | wols_: and that package maintainers are infallible |
| 09:50.42 | jelly-home | wols_: I'm just trying to show there's a lot hidden behind a simple "<Maliuta> roll your own" line |
| 09:51.03 | Maliuta | jelly-home: not as far as I am concerned |
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| 09:51.19 | jelly-home | wols_: I assume no malice, unlike yourself |
| 09:52.18 | wols_ | jelly-home: then show it in #-ot. not debian support and the time it went on, do you honestly believe he changes his stance? |
| 09:52.36 | jelly-home | wols_: I don't _expect_ anyone to change their stance |
| 09:52.43 | merlo | hello, i'm wondering if you can suggest me an ide for c/c++... i'm used to Code::Blocks but i can't find it within debian repos |
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| 09:53.02 | jelly-home | wols_: and this _is_ debian support, we're still on "php 5.2 in etch" |
| 09:53.10 | wols_ | Maliuta: anjutah, kdevelop, eclipse, rawhide |
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| 09:53.34 | cafuego | Works fine, as long as you keep rebuilding it whenever there's an upstream bugfix. |
| 09:53.49 | wols_ | jelly-home: no. we are a meta discussion what and how to help people. notice how the original problem hasn't been the topic for ages and the original guy is eerily quiet |
| 09:53.55 | cafuego | had some packages, a long time ago... |
| 09:55.35 | jelly-home | Hilaus: as you can see, having a newer PHP built by yourself is only a trivial task if you're a seasoned backporter and are prepared to track security issues and new upstream versions regularly |
| 09:55.40 | wols_ | merlo: sorry. that stuff address to Maliuta was for you actually |
| 09:55.44 | jelly-home | wols_: there! |
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| 09:55.51 | geek | jelly-home: or have too much free time ;p |
| 09:56.01 | MatBoy | hi guys ! |
| 09:56.17 | neoice_ | does anyone know why 'sudo su <user>' would cause bizarre behavior? |
| 09:56.22 | merlo | wols_: yes, I realized it, than you! |
| 09:56.25 | MatBoy | geek: give me some of your spare free time than :) |
| 09:56.26 | jelly-home | geek: or getting paid for it |
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| 09:56.34 | geek | MatBoy: i don't have that ;p |
| 09:56.39 | geek | jelly-home: or that |
| 09:56.41 | MatBoy | geek: :( |
| 09:57.16 | geek | well maybe with checkinstall but thats not recommended IIRC... and its not for serious packaging |
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| 09:57.40 | Hilaus | jelly-home: I've been trying with backports but I can't install php5.2 with it... I need php 5.2 because I need a package that requires php=>5.2 |
| 09:57.42 | cafuego | geek: It's fine as long as you keep it in /usr/local *and* don't go sharing those debs <heh> |
| 09:58.17 | geek | cafuego: lets see.. one of those debs was a kopete addon that flashes my laptop's light when people IM me ;p |
| 09:58.31 | jelly-home | Hilaus: there is no php 5.2 on backports.org AFAICT... you might try the "/msg dpkg ssb" procedure |
| 09:58.37 | cafuego | doesn't KDE flash enough shit on-screen as it is? ;-) |
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| 09:59.13 | jelly-home | Hilaus: but you'll still be on your own WRT newer versions |
| 09:59.20 | geek | cafuego: thinkpad light. its useful for people like me who like to hide the taskbar while IRCing, and don't want to keep a hypotheical girlfriend waiting ;p |
| 09:59.31 | geek | (got dumped. its still useful though ;p) |
| 09:59.35 | cafuego | heh |
| 10:00.41 | jelly-home | my taskbar is stuck to the right-hand side of a widescreen display |
| 10:00.58 | geek | mine is at the bottom but hidden most of the time |
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| 10:01.44 | jelly-home | there's also that libnotify thing |
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| 10:03.33 | Hilaus | jelly-home: do you recommend me to keep the php 5.0 version? |
| 10:04.32 | jelly-home | Hilaus: I don't know what your needs are, but be aware of the consequences of using a backport |
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| 10:05.07 | jelly-home | thinks debian's php5 build is half-unusable anyway ;-) |
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| 10:06.54 | Hilaus | ok, I'll keep 5.0 .. I just wanted 5.2 to use uploadprogress |
| 10:06.55 | cafuego | Hilaus: The only thing I've come acvross that needed php 5.2 and not 5.0 was Laconica... |
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| 10:07.21 | moodog | Morning :) |
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| 10:07.39 | cafuego | and even then laconica turned out to be buggy, not php ;-) |
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| 10:12.51 | jelly-home | Is 2.6.27.2 in Deiban yet ?WHY NOT??!?!!!1 |
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| 10:13.50 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 10:14.15 | geek | jelly-home: roll your own *g* |
| 10:14.28 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to set up a chroot for use with ssh |
| 10:14.42 | man_in_ltop | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html << i found this tutorial |
| 10:14.56 | man_in_ltop | but i'm getting "/bin/bash: No such file or directory" |
| 10:15.25 | man_in_ltop | i've bound /dev, /bin, /usr and /lib in the chroot, so i'm not sure what's going on |
| 10:15.51 | wols_ | man_in_ltop: ldd /bin/bash |
| 10:15.54 | man_in_ltop | come to think of it, that kinda defeats the purpose of a chroot :P |
| 10:15.58 | wols_ | check what other libs it wants |
| 10:16.01 | jelly-home | what good is a chroot if you have all of /dev in it? |
| 10:16.39 | man_in_ltop | yeah, it's more for testing than anything else |
| 10:16.51 | man_in_ltop | i guess i'll unbind all those and secure it properly once i get it working :P |
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| 10:19.12 | man_in_ltop | wols_, thanks, that was a big help |
| 10:19.21 | man_in_ltop | was missing lib64, yay for amd64 :P |
| 10:22.01 | assasukasse | Hi everyone |
| 10:22.32 | assasukasse | i want to make an alias to apt-get so that every time i apt-get a program it installs it then adds the name of the package to a text file in my home |
| 10:22.55 | assasukasse | so that is easy to check what is installed and easily to reinstall in case i need to rework the system |
| 10:22.59 | assasukasse | is it possible to do? |
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| 10:23.33 | thrope | hi - is there anyway to show memory usage of mmap'd files seperate from fs cache... with free everything shows up in 'cached' figure |
| 10:25.13 | zob6 | assasukasse: you could write small script for this |
| 10:25.21 | man_in_ltop | hmmm |
| 10:25.29 | man_in_ltop | it won't let me unmount a bind |
| 10:25.58 | petemc | assasukasse: do you have /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 10:26.25 | assasukasse | petemc: that's not the same |
| 10:26.37 | assasukasse | dpkg.log keeps also all the deps |
| 10:26.41 | assasukasse | i don't want the deps |
| 10:26.48 | assasukasse | i want only the package i apt-get |
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| 10:26.57 | petemc | assasukasse: or alternatively you could use dpkg --get-selections |
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| 10:27.55 | assasukasse | petemc: that would install all the deps. i don't want that. since the deps could change |
| 10:27.57 | jelly-home | assasukasse: if you use aptitude _only_, it'll track the packages you explicitely installed |
| 10:28.05 | man_in_ltop | grumbles |
| 10:28.17 | assasukasse | jelly-home: where does it tracks |
| 10:28.39 | jelly-home | assasukasse: its database. you can get the list out with a search |
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| 10:29.27 | man_in_ltop | ahh, got it :D |
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| 10:29.56 | assasukasse | jelly-home: yes i saw, is fine, but i was looking something more easy...but its a start |
| 10:30.13 | jelly-home | assasukasse: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 10:32.14 | assasukasse | jelly-home: uhm that doesn't show only the package I installed, but also Deps i guess (there are several lib) |
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| 10:34.46 | jelly-home | assasukasse: yes, if you used apt-get to install stuff, it would do that |
| 10:35.15 | geek | hmm |
| 10:35.17 | assasukasse | jelly-home: yes i think i did, but from now on i wont use |
| 10:35.24 | geek | how big would an apt-mirror be...? |
| 10:35.41 | jelly-home | assasukasse: you can "aptitude markauto packagename [packagename ...]" to tell it which ones you don't really want |
| 10:36.32 | assasukasse | thanks jelly-home but this way i will take longer..i'd just keep a paper next to the pc where i write down all the packages i install |
| 10:37.14 | jelly-home | pfft |
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| 10:37.21 | geek | lol |
| 10:37.30 | geek | at LEAST use an online version ;p |
| 10:37.33 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 10:37.33 | assasukasse | or better add them to a text file: apt-get install package; echo "package" >> /root/packages.lst |
| 10:38.00 | man_in_ltop | so what's the minimum set of device nodes that need to be accessible in the chroot for ssh to work nicely? |
| 10:38.01 | jelly-home | there he goes with apt-get again |
| 10:38.14 | assasukasse | that is what i need to do, whatever i invoke apt-get or aptitude, it will add to a list :D |
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| 10:38.23 | assasukasse | jelly-home: the habits are long to die :D |
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| 10:39.04 | jelly-home | assasukasse: what I did was, do a debfoster run (took 2-3 hours to clean up the system), then switch to aptitude once and for all |
| 10:39.08 | assasukasse | jelly-home: soemtime i need really to use apt-get, it happened that aptitude wanted to remove stuff or strange things..so i reverted to apt-get |
| 10:39.22 | assasukasse | jelly-home: debfoster? |
| 10:39.30 | assasukasse | i dunno this package, i know deborphan |
| 10:39.52 | jelly-home | debfoster removes _everything_ but the packages you tell it you need |
| 10:40.01 | assasukasse | ah |
| 10:40.16 | assasukasse | damn, i could really mess big time then :D |
| 10:40.24 | assasukasse | how can i remember all the packages :D |
| 10:40.25 | man_in_ltop | ahh, nvm, found it :) |
| 10:40.27 | man_in_ltop | yay |
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| 10:41.01 | jelly-home | assasukasse: if you don't remember it, you don't need it! :-) |
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| 10:44.28 | geek | erf... |
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| 10:44.56 | geek | swears the local repo (nus.edu.sg) always gives issues... |
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| 10:57.21 | pi__ | singapore mirrors always underperform |
| 10:57.52 | geek | underperform? they plain suck |
| 10:58.11 | pi__ | aka plain suck |
| 10:58.11 | pi__ | :) |
| 10:58.16 | geek | i had one package fail a check, so i couldn't install anything. i'm using a VERY nice HK based mirror right jow |
| 10:58.18 | geek | now |
| 10:58.55 | pi__ | japan and korea is not bad |
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| 11:00.49 | geek | i'm using the www.zentek-international mirror doing about 120 kbps |
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| 11:01.29 | assasukasse | jelly-home: im i am done with debfoster |
| 11:01.56 | assasukasse | from now on all the package i install with aptitude will be in the list right? |
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| 11:13.52 | neoice_ | shouldnt the suid NOT be set? |
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| 11:56.31 | quitte | is someone here experienced with syslinux? i cant get it to use mboot32 to load the xen hypervisor. it keeps not seeing one or the other file |
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| 12:00.57 | WolvBite | morning all. How do i do a minimum install of xserver with only packages for my video driver |
| 12:02.13 | wols_ | you don't |
| 12:02.19 | wols_ | why'd you want to? |
| 12:03.25 | WolvBite | well I really don't need all the other video card drivers.. its no big deal but I'm trying to build the smallest/fastest debian box for my pc |
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| 12:03.44 | caribou_ | Hello |
| 12:03.54 | caribou_ | Do you know from which package the file gtkrc-2.0 comes from ? |
| 12:04.07 | abrotman | !tell caribou_ about search |
| 12:05.05 | caribou_ | I did it :x |
| 12:05.05 | WolvBite | wols if i put in apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg..... is that sufficient? |
| 12:05.29 | caribou_ | i have 2 answers but i don't really know if they are the good packages |
| 12:05.41 | WolvBite | or can I leave off either of those |
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| 12:06.55 | wols_ | WolvBite: xorg alone is. and it will install all videodrivers as it should |
| 12:07.22 | wols_ | caribou_: check if either is installed |
| 12:07.23 | WolvBite | ok cool. what does xserver-xorg install |
| 12:07.34 | wols_ | WolvBite: not enough to run X by far |
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| 12:08.04 | wols_ | WolvBite: and it will install all videodrivers too btw |
| 12:09.05 | WolvBite | ok. so it doesn't install extra stuff that I don't need? if i only install xorg will i still be able to use the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 12:09.11 | caribou_ | wols_, sorry i don't get it |
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| 12:09.32 | wols_ | caribou_: you got two alternatives when you search. so check if either one of them is instaleld |
| 12:09.54 | pbn | Hello, I'm trying to mount a firewire harddrive, but it seems I can't see the harddrive... any idea ? |
| 12:10.10 | WolvBite | bummer.... 18 more minutes for base install. I hate my internet connection |
| 12:10.13 | et | pbn: when you plug it in, do you see something in dmesg? |
| 12:10.21 | pbn | et: ah, gotta check |
| 12:10.24 | wols_ | pbn: what does dmesg say when you plug it in? |
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| 12:10.53 | WolvBite | back in a while wols. thats for your info... |
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| 12:12.22 | pbn | hm nothing in dmesg, but I do have the kernel modules loaded |
| 12:12.45 | pbn | firewire_core |
| 12:12.56 | pbn | firewire_core 39232 2 firewire_sbp2,firewire_ohci |
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| 12:13.08 | pbn | scsi_mod 141164 5 sg,sd_mod,usb_storage,firewire_sbp2,libata |
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| 12:14.03 | pbn | do I need other modules ? |
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| 12:20.10 | GhostlyDeath | DEBIAN! |
| 12:20.24 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 12:20.24 | dpkg | <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
| 12:20.51 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:22.39 | enouf | pbn: not that this should matter, but load sr_mod as well .. does the drive have it's own power? 4wire or 6wire firewire? also, what chipset is in the enclosure? |
| 12:23.20 | enouf | pbn: does the enclosure also have USB and/or SATA? |
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| 12:25.04 | Insolit | hi all |
| 12:25.26 | jelly-home | enouf: um, sr_mod is for cdrom/dvd |
| 12:25.29 | Insolit | guys a vpn allows to remotely access to full resources in a private network right? |
| 12:25.41 | enouf | jelly-home: um, i know what it's for |
| 12:26.06 | enouf | dumbass |
| 12:26.23 | wols_ | Insolit: usually yes |
| 12:26.25 | jelly-home | enouf: how does it help with "<pbn> Hello, I'm trying to mount a firewire harddrive"? |
| 12:26.39 | wols_ | enouf: I notice a worrying trend for you to become more like me. you REALLY don't wanna go there |
| 12:26.40 | enouf | jelly-home: you're smart, you figure it out |
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| 12:26.59 | Insolit | wols_: mh i've been able to successfully create the connection between a vpn server and the client |
| 12:27.02 | enouf | wols_: i put fools in their place, no matter who they are |
| 12:27.15 | Insolit | my issue is, how do i connect to the remote resources? |
| 12:27.20 | wols_ | enouf: then you really need more looking into mirror |
| 12:27.23 | wols_ | s |
| 12:27.26 | jelly-home | wols_: but you often give out useful data and I can't just /ignore you |
| 12:27.27 | pbn | enouf: yes it has USB |
| 12:27.35 | pbn | enouf: but with USB I get 10 MB/s |
| 12:27.44 | jelly-home | wols_: so, there's a difference ;-) |
| 12:27.47 | enouf | wols_: my bed has plenty, thanks - i knew i forgot something this morning ;-) |
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| 12:29.31 | enouf | pbn: well then, the kernel does see the drive, and can recognize it's FStype and mount it |
| 12:29.45 | Insolit | wols_: my problem is... in my local network is 192.168.1.x, my remote network is 192.168.1.x as well |
| 12:29.59 | Insolit | this is an issue right? |
| 12:30.05 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:31.23 | Insolit | So if I had a remote network 192.168.3.x and a local one of 192.168.1.x, after setting the vpn connection, i could connect remote resources using 192.168.3.x addresses correct? |
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| 12:31.47 | wols_ | Insolit: no |
| 12:32.16 | wols_ | with a vpn client talks to server and vice verse. if you want to talk to hosts behind client you need to do more work and configure it |
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| 12:35.31 | Welshman | how can I find out what type of memory is on my server? Is there a command? |
| 12:35.47 | abrotman | !tell Welshman about free ram |
| 12:35.54 | abrotman | oh .. whoops |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | !tell Welshman about whats my hardware |
| 12:37.01 | Welshman | thanks |
| 12:37.48 | pbn | it can transfer on USB 2.0 but it's just horribly slow... it's at 12 MB/s, while in theory, USB 2.0 can do 480 Mb/s, which means roughly 60 MB/s |
| 12:38.07 | pbn | FireWire is known has having better throughput |
| 12:38.10 | cads | is there any patch I'd need to apply against 2.6.27 kernel to get it running on a debian system (etch), or may I use the same build procedures as I'd use for my existing kernel |
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| 12:40.44 | enouf | pbn: i'm willing to attempt to help, unlike others whom are too busy clearing the sand from their vagina, but you need to answer my questions |
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| 12:42.59 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. that was helpful .. good job |
| 12:43.40 | enouf | wols_: besides, if i don't stop it now, it'll just continue, and i can't allow that .. for the good of this channel |
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| 12:46.44 | jantje | hi guys, andone knows how I can get samba 3.2 working with mysql authentication ? seems there are some 'plugins' missing for some packages? |
| 12:47.40 | jantje | (the passdb backend = mysql:mysql |
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| 12:50.48 | [RUsh] | I'd like to install nvidia driver on my debian lenny with custom kernel. Why does nvidia-kernel-source package depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 package? |
| 12:51.19 | abrotman | so just install it .. you don't have to use it |
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| 12:53.24 | [RUsh] | strange thing |
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| 13:00.04 | [RUsh] | To install module source, i have install module binaries hehe |
| 13:01.34 | trifler | I've limited vsftpd chroot to yes. But I have a symlink inside my home to another drive and can't get "there" any better suggestions on how to get to that drive? |
| 13:03.16 | asg | trifler: try bind mounting instead of symlinking |
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| 13:06.06 | pbn | hum external usb drives are funny... Now the copy of files is stalled, I can't umount, and with lsof I can see there's still one process using the xternal drive.. But even kill -9 as root can't kill the process |
| 13:06.21 | pbn | umount: /media/LaCieBigDisk: device is busy |
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| 13:06.35 | WolvBite | can someone help me rescue a deb install. I can boot up to grub menu but I get an error when I select first menu entry. Im installed on a sata drive. NT is in first partition. /boot second partition . the remainder is on an LVM partition with logical volume is root. I cant seem to edit the grum menu to the correct root it currently shows root (hd2,1) |
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| 13:07.14 | pbn | kio_file 7769 pbn 7w REG 8,1 0 774 /media/LaCieBigDisk/sauvegarde/sauvegarde_20070815.tar.gz |
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| 13:08.10 | hoxu | pbn, and the corresponding process from "ps aux"? |
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| 13:08.27 | zahna | how does everyone here manage their rcX.d scripts? surely manually linking isn't done, right? |
| 13:09.21 | trifler | asg: I need to save a --bind in fstab right in order to make it "stick"? |
| 13:09.24 | hoxu | !tell zahna about update-rc.d |
| 13:09.41 | hoxu | trifler, yes |
| 13:09.45 | zahna | i have discovered update-rc.d, but it doesn't seem completely useful |
| 13:10.02 | zahna | not nearly as useful as chkconfig |
| 13:10.13 | zahna | but afaik, debian doesn't have chkconfig |
| 13:10.32 | hoxu | zahna, no clue, but what functionality are you looking for? |
| 13:10.54 | asg | zahna: then use rcconf |
| 13:11.05 | zahna | well, for instance "chkconfig --list <daemon>" will list which runlevels it's active for |
| 13:11.30 | zahna | or "chkconfig --list" will show which daemons are active for which runlevels in general |
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| 13:11.54 | zahna | i'll check out rc.conf |
| 13:11.57 | zahna | er rcconf |
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| 13:12.25 | trifler | asg, hoxu ty |
| 13:12.58 | pbn | pbn 7769 0.1 0.2 26404 5044 ? D 14:29 0:03 kio_file [kdeinit] file /tmp/ksocket-pbn/klaunchertiZzma. |
| 13:12.58 | asg | you're welcome |
| 13:14.18 | WolvBite | ok. im in rescue mode in a chroot of my installed system. how do i get grub to update in the chroot environment |
| 13:14.40 | pbn | WolvBite: most likely grub-install hd0 |
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| 13:17.18 | WolvBite | i get found /boot/grub but then error /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 13:17.52 | trifler | very nice thanks a bounch this computer of mine is shaping up nicely :) |
| 13:17.54 | pbn | hm thats bad |
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| 13:18.48 | WolvBite | ok what next?.. reinstall? |
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| 13:19.14 | pbn | no no |
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| 13:19.24 | pbn | there's some trick but I can't remember |
| 13:19.33 | pbn | you need to just type "grub" then you're in commandline mode |
| 13:19.39 | pbn | then set some options |
| 13:19.39 | WolvBite | ok... |
| 13:19.44 | pbn | can't remember which one |
| 13:20.31 | WolvBite | i get error opening bterm |
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| 13:21.59 | WolvBite | screw it. i always have problems with install with lvm. I'm going to reinstall |
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| 13:25.56 | Baum- | when i try to enable "overlay chain" in slapd.conf i get an error -> overlay "chain" not found. in /usr/lib/ldap there is nothing .... anyone? |
| 13:25.56 | jantje | are there debian pacakges for samba-pdb ? |
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| 13:27.58 | Baum- | im using etch |
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| 13:31.47 | Baum- | well it looks to me that that thing is just not there. also in lenny |
| 13:31.48 | Baum- | wtf |
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| 13:42.04 | Baum- | or let me rephrase how to load the overlay chain |
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| 13:42.54 | Kasreyn | anyone have a good solution to how you can massremove files that have mostly preallocated space? |
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| 13:43.25 | stew | Kasreyn: you mean sparse files? or what? |
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| 13:45.08 | Kasreyn | stew: you know how a file can show up as 0MB in du but with ls it can be 100MB ? |
| 13:45.31 | stew | yeah, sparse files |
| 13:45.35 | Kasreyn | i'm considering making a crude shellscript |
| 13:46.29 | Kasreyn | yes that's definately the type of files I'm interested in |
| 13:46.52 | stew | Kasreyn: find -type f -printf '%s %b %p\n' | awk '(($1+512)/($2+1))>512{print}' |
| 13:47.22 | Kasreyn | hehe ok :) |
| 13:47.59 | stew | Kasreyn: i believe that will locate sparse files. its having find print the size of the file and the number of blocks, then awk converts them both to bytes and compares them, and prints the filename if they differ |
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| 13:48.32 | Kasreyn | ah ok stew, thanks ;) |
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| 13:51.27 | deus___ | what'd be the easiest way to do sth like random in the terminal? |
| 13:51.38 | deus___ | i just have to decide between two things and can't make up my mind |
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| 13:52.56 | asg | !8ball this or that |
| 13:52.57 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 13:54.04 | deus___ | :D |
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| 13:58.39 | et | deus___: cat /dev/urandom |
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| 14:01.10 | MatBoy | mhh I need a antispam gateway where I can manage the rules from my own made php page :S assp and dspam are not able to do this I think |
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| 14:06.20 | dudeman | good morning |
| 14:06.34 | MatBoy | hellow |
| 14:06.40 | dudeman | anti spam gateway? |
| 14:06.46 | dudeman | what does that do? |
| 14:07.03 | dudeman | bad question |
| 14:07.06 | dudeman | uhm |
| 14:07.16 | dudeman | what exactly is an antispam 'gateway'? |
| 14:08.02 | LightKnight | Hi -- do you advice replacing the sun-java-6-* packages with their corresponding openjdk-* packages? Any problems/issues/whatever? |
| 14:10.30 | dudeman | LightKnight, usually they work properly but sometimes they have diff way to implement the gui so you will see maybe minor font differences |
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| 14:10.44 | dudeman | other than cosmetic differences it should work pretty much |
| 14:11.15 | dudeman | still might be a few apps that are not fully compatible but why do you want to ditch sun-java? |
| 14:11.49 | LightKnight | dudeman: cosmetic differences are not an issue, thx :) That was just to get rid of some non-free packages (waiting for the official free java 7, IIRC :P) |
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| 14:12.54 | dudeman | cool |
| 14:13.13 | dudeman | I woke up with massive heartburn, and I threw up and then ate some medicine and now I'm feeling slightly better |
| 14:13.26 | LightKnight | glad for you that you're better :) |
| 14:13.40 | dudeman | yeh i'm just waiting up for half hour im gonna go back to bed |
| 14:13.52 | dudeman | I figured why not show up on irc and see whats goingon |
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| 14:14.11 | dudeman | LightKnight, thanks |
| 14:14.18 | LightKnight | :-) |
| 14:14.20 | dudeman | LightKnight, java7 you say |
| 14:14.28 | dudeman | cool |
| 14:14.29 | LightKnight | dudeman: so I remember... |
| 14:14.46 | dudeman | im looking up now |
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| 14:15.32 | dudeman | oh cool |
| 14:15.39 | dudeman | list of prposed features |
| 14:15.40 | dudeman | reads |
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| 14:18.14 | dudeman | cool stuff |
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| 14:28.03 | dudeman | !ping |
| 14:28.03 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:28.43 | dudeman | 10 more minutes |
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| 14:35.35 | helpedss | hey, he.llo.. anynknow one how to allow msn application trough squid?? |
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| 14:39.36 | helpedss | hello?? |
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| 14:40.39 | suwr1 | hello |
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| 14:41.00 | helpedss | suwr1 can u help me? |
| 14:41.03 | helpedss | hey, he.llo.. anynknow one how to allow msn application trough squid?? |
| 14:41.03 | noborusa | i can not get helped in #iptables, there people are asleep |
| 14:41.20 | suwr1 | helpedss: what's your problem? |
| 14:41.27 | noborusa | i need to know how do i ban port 25 with iptables :( |
| 14:41.30 | helpedss | i wanna allow msn app through squid :( |
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| 14:41.50 | suwr1 | iptables -A input -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP |
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| 14:42.41 | helpedss | suwr1 u know my question? |
| 14:42.49 | suwr1 | helpedss: do you want to stop a specific IP a Class or ALL ? |
| 14:42.57 | helpedss | ALL |
| 14:42.58 | suwr1 | helpedss: nope - Just camed in. |
| 14:43.09 | helpedss | jo...:( |
| 14:43.13 | suwr1 | then THe above iptables rule will help you |
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| 14:43.22 | helpedss | i dont know how to solve it... |
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| 14:43.36 | suwr1 | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP |
| 14:43.48 | helpedss | this rule is for me?? |
| 14:43.54 | helpedss | port 25?? smtp?? |
| 14:43.56 | helpedss | why? |
| 14:43.56 | noborusa | hi suwr1 , not in 'forward' chain ? |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | helpedss: did you ask #squid ? |
| 14:44.09 | helpedss | yes |
| 14:44.15 | noborusa | cuz there were lots of connections on port 25 that causes my server very slow |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | noborusa: ask #iptables .. and be patient |
| 14:44.20 | helpedss | abrotman im there, but anyone answer me... |
| 14:44.21 | suwr1 | helpedss: it's for you - port 25 is closed. |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | suwr1: i think you got them backwards |
| 14:44.37 | helpedss | suwr1 but.. i dont want close port 25 :S |
| 14:45.04 | suwr1 | noborusa: aha - tell me EXACTLY what do you want and I;ll help you |
| 14:45.05 | dudeman | then don't drop it |
| 14:45.33 | suwr1 | anyone know how to add text/html content signature on mails with amavisd? |
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| 14:45.53 | dudeman | ok sleepy time |
| 14:45.55 | dudeman | bye bye |
| 14:45.55 | noborusa | suwr1, there were over 100 connections on port 25 and my server was very slow,along with many exim processes,this's not normal |
| 14:45.57 | suwr1 | helpedss: you can msg me - to not repeat here.. |
| 14:46.04 | helpedss | :| |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | don't msg people |
| 14:46.21 | noborusa | suwr1, now i have stopped exim but i need to know how do i ban port 25,i do not need emails. |
| 14:46.21 | Neaai | Hi all. I have just completed installing Lenny via debootstrap from my Etch in a different partition. There are several things I have managed to set up and some others that I haven't. Networking is behaving strange and /etc/init.d/networking doesn't seem to be able to bring up the interface, yet when I issue ifconfig manually all is good. Any ideas? |
| 14:46.26 | helpedss | but, u are telling me to close port 25... whyto close it? |
| 14:46.29 | dudeman | abrotman, he asked him to. |
| 14:46.40 | dudeman | abrotman, don't /msg people without permission. |
| 14:46.41 | abrotman | thought you were going to bed |
| 14:46.50 | dudeman | in a moment. |
| 14:47.04 | suwr1 | noborusa: dont want to use that port at all any more? |
| 14:47.17 | noborusa | suwr1, yes i am 100% sure. |
| 14:47.29 | suwr1 | noborusa: then use the iptables command I gave you |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | or cnfigure exim correctly to not do that to begin with |
| 14:48.17 | suwr1 | noborusa: if you want you can also limit connections to that port |
| 14:48.19 | abrotman | noborusa: if you configure exim4 correctly, it won't accept connections on port 25 |
| 14:48.23 | noborusa | suwr1, the port 25 for smtp works as applying connections from out,or sending from it to the rest of word ? |
| 14:48.26 | noborusa | world* |
| 14:48.42 | noborusa | abrotman, on port 587 you probably mean ? |
| 14:48.42 | suwr1 | noborusa: do this : dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | noborusa: do you need that machine to be able to recieve email ? |
| 14:48.49 | noborusa | use port 587 as the MSA |
| 14:48.59 | suwr1 | noborusa: set it as local mail only |
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| 14:49.14 | noborusa | abrotman, no ,not at all,no email in, no email send out also. |
| 14:49.21 | suwr1 | noborusa: then noone from outside will be alowed to connect to your 25 :) |
| 14:49.42 | abrotman | noborusa: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. choose local mail only |
| 14:50.07 | noborusa | abrotman, can i do it by editting some config now ? |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | noborusa: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. choose local mail only |
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| 14:50.37 | noborusa | abrotman, if i do this,can i redo it when someday i need it anyway ? |
| 14:50.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:51.19 | suwr1 | noborusa: you can always do dpkg-reconfigure ... |
| 14:51.33 | suwr1 | noborusa: to reconfig an installed package. |
| 14:52.06 | noborusa | exim4-config' is not installed and no info is available |
| 14:52.25 | dudeman | install |
| 14:52.32 | noborusa | ii exim 4.62-1 Exim with the exiscan patch |
| 14:52.34 | suwr1 | noborusa: dpkg -l "exim*" |grep ii |
| 14:52.48 | noborusa | there |
| 14:52.49 | suwr1 | noborusa: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 14:53.01 | suwr1 | i use postfix ;) |
| 14:53.17 | noborusa | server:~# dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 14:53.18 | noborusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.19 | noborusa | mkdir: cannot create directory `usage': File exists |
| 14:53.31 | voltage` | Good day. can someone help me with a xchat np playing plugin for xmms2? See http://www.pastebin.ca/1230998 for detais. Thanks! |
| 14:53.44 | suwr1 | noborusa: apt-get install postfix |
| 14:53.56 | suwr1 | noborusa: use postfix instead exim |
| 14:54.22 | abrotman | it's exim4-config |
| 14:54.35 | Python1320 | |
| 14:55.09 | noborusa | hmm |
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| 14:55.30 | noborusa | abrotman, it does not find it |
| 14:55.41 | suwr1 | noborusa: man install postfix. |
| 14:55.43 | abrotman | noborusa: telnet localhost 25 .. what does it say ? |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | suwr1: why? fix what he has |
| 14:55.51 | Neaai | I have just completed installing Lenny via debootstrap from my Etch in a different partition. There are several things I have managed to set up and some others that I haven't. Networking is behaving strange and /etc/init.d/networking doesn't seem to be able to bring up the interface, yet when I issue ifconfig manually all is good. Is lenny quite more broken than believed to be? |
| 14:56.22 | suwr1 | abrotman: we-re not shure what he has, maibe a broken exim? |
| 14:56.23 | noborusa | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 14:56.24 | noborusa | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 14:56.37 | abrotman | noborusa: do you know what the external IP is ? |
| 14:56.45 | suwr1 | abrotman: that's showing that exim is stopped. |
| 14:56.46 | noborusa | abrotman, i have stopped exim,by the way. |
| 14:56.48 | jantje | Someone knows how to get samba with mysql working (pdb mysql ..) |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | noborusa: why would you stop it? |
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| 14:57.09 | noborusa | because there were many connections on port 25 |
| 14:57.21 | noborusa | i stopped exim, then everything worked back on. |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | noborusa: paste the output of `dpkg -l exim*` |
| 14:58.09 | ghee | hi guys, scanning for my network printer shows all the others but not mine. Is there a way to refresh printers for scanning or some other trick to make my computer see it? (me: sid. printer: hp laserjet 4250) |
| 14:58.09 | suwr1 | noborusa: listen to me - install postfix. It will uninstall exim, If you-re gonna use that server as mail ever, it will be easier to config. |
| 14:58.28 | noborusa | http://pastebin.ca/1231003 |
| 14:58.33 | suwr1 | noborusa: my humble oppinion |
| 14:58.42 | abrotman | noborusa: paste the output of `dpkg -l exim*` |
| 14:58.59 | noborusa | suwr1, no, this exim came with the webhosting panel. i think sometimes i need it. |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | noborusa: you don't have exim4 installed .. |
| 14:59.25 | noborusa | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1231003 |
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| 14:59.33 | abrotman | noborusa: if you `dpkg-reconfigure exim` .. does it ask you about being local-only/smarthost/etc ? |
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| 14:59.56 | noborusa | abrotman, no |
| 15:00.00 | noborusa | it says this. |
| 15:00.02 | noborusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.02 | noborusa | mkdir: cannot create directory `usage': File exists |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | noborusa: paste the command and all hte output |
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| 15:00.36 | noborusa | already there. |
| 15:01.03 | abrotman | already where? |
| 15:01.26 | noborusa | abrotman, please look up in this window, few lines ago. |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | no .. i want the full command, and the fulloutput |
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| 15:01.58 | noborusa | abrotman, i typed in what you told me. |
| 15:02.20 | abrotman | noborusa: i want to see it! on your screen .. and the output |
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| 15:02.52 | abrotman | noborusa: wait .. `apt-cache policy exim` .. paste it |
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| 15:03.55 | abrotman | voltage`: install libxmmsclient-glib-dev |
| 15:04.03 | abrotman | !tell voltage` about search |
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| 15:04.29 | noborusa | pastbin is very slow |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | so use paste.debian.net |
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| 15:06.57 | Neaai | I have setup properly the /etc/network/inteface entry for my eth0 but /etc/init.d/networking start doesn't start it nor stops it. Manually issuig ifconfing does the job. What can it be ? |
| 15:07.03 | noborusa | abrotman, here http://pastebin.com/d5857e5d3 |
| 15:07.24 | abrotman | noborusa: where did you get that exim package? it's not from debian |
| 15:07.48 | noborusa | i told it, it came from the webhosting panel install |
| 15:08.03 | noborusa | named DirectAdmin |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | noborusa: well, i would suggest you go to #exim and ask them how to configure it manually .. the debian packages have this done for you |
| 15:08.46 | abrotman | you opted not to use those |
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| 15:09.32 | noborusa | abrotman, I got it, by the way, what did you mean by 'the mail won't be sent to port 25 if exim is configured correctly' ? |
| 15:09.53 | noborusa | abrotman, you was implying there is a proxy port 587 to do this job ? |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | that's exactly what i meant .. but you'll have to ask #exim how to make it do that |
| 15:10.14 | abrotman | nothing i said has to do with port 587 |
| 15:10.22 | noborusa | oh okay. |
| 15:10.28 | abrotman | have fun in #exim |
| 15:10.28 | noborusa | abrotman, many thanks :D |
| 15:10.52 | abrotman | Neaai: are you missing your 'auto eth0' line ? |
| 15:11.24 | Neaai | abchirk: I think I am, yes |
| 15:11.33 | Neaai | abrotman: (correction) |
| 15:11.51 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 15:11.52 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Gulden Drak for abchirk |
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| 15:12.12 | abchirk | Ok, thats fine! :P |
| 15:12.20 | teratoma | how can i get debian, gnome, and wicd to peacefully coexist ? |
| 15:12.36 | abchirk | teratoma where is the problem, just install wicd? |
| 15:12.49 | Neaai | abrotman: there's the line "allow-hotplug eth0" Do I need that or I comment that out? |
| 15:13.08 | teratoma | i did, then it uninstalled some gnome network manager and all of gnome when i did apt-get upgrade |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | Neaai: is it a PCI card? |
| 15:13.23 | abrotman | Neaai: you should be able to leave it there |
| 15:13.26 | ghee | anyone know a way to hook up to a network printer that doesn't show up in a scan for it? |
| 15:13.29 | Neaai | abrotman: yes it is. It's what the motherboard has embeded. |
| 15:14.05 | abchirk | teratoma yes they cannot "coexist" |
| 15:14.17 | abrotman | ghee: manually specify the hostname/ip ? |
| 15:14.19 | abchirk | But if you have wlan use wicd, its much better. :) teratoma |
| 15:14.38 | teratoma | abchirk: yes id like to use wicd and have a happy gnome install. is that impossible ? |
| 15:14.46 | ghee | abrotman: i tried specifying the IP but that failed... |
| 15:14.57 | abrotman | can you ping that IP? |
| 15:15.03 | abchirk | teratoma yes it should be... just install wicd and uninstall network-manager |
| 15:15.18 | ghee | abrotman, good idea, i'll try |
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| 15:15.40 | Neaai | abrotman: This is a lenny install that I just did from my etch. But it seems that it's more broken than my etch on the other partition. The sound is not working though I have the sound module loaded. Any ideas with that ? |
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| 15:15.56 | abrotman | Neaai: fix one problem at a time ... |
| 15:16.02 | ghee | abrotman, yep, that works |
| 15:16.15 | abrotman | ghee: chose the wrong printer type perhaps? |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | doesn't own a printer ... |
| 15:16.56 | Neaai | abrotman: I'm taking them one after the other but honestly, I didn't expect it to be as much broken after a fresh install.... |
| 15:17.17 | abrotman | Neaai: we'll do sound after you get your network going |
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| 15:17.42 | ghee | abrotman, i wondered, but i've looked through all the different network options. Basically all of the printers on my network (except mine) show up under 'other' |
| 15:18.01 | Neaai | abrotman: I'm doing the last checks and try the network. Might get disconnected, am using the fresh lenny right now. |
| 15:18.05 | dudeman | desi ghee |
| 15:18.13 | dudeman | :/ |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | Neaai: that's fine .. the channel won't explode |
| 15:18.31 | dudeman | lol |
| 15:18.35 | ghee | dudeman namaste |
| 15:18.47 | dudeman | ghee, salamualaikum |
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| 15:19.12 | ghee | dudeman salamualaikum |
| 15:19.29 | dudeman | ghee, #debian-in |
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| 15:19.55 | dudeman | ghee, are you an Urdu speaker? |
| 15:20.18 | dudeman | ghee, if so, I was wondering if you'd be kind enough to offer some help on translating the debian installer into Urdu. |
| 15:20.23 | Neaai | abrotman: no, /etc/init.d/networking stop doen't seem to do anything. I'm still online and eth0 still shows when I "ifconfig" |
| 15:20.31 | koolhead17 | speaks urdu |
| 15:20.41 | dudeman | koolhead17, read/write as well? |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | Neaai: paste your interfaces file in a pastebin |
| 15:20.50 | ghee | dudeman, not really, hindi |
| 15:20.53 | koolhead17 | dudeman: nopes :( |
| 15:20.54 | dudeman | ghee, ahh |
| 15:20.57 | dudeman | koolhead17, aww |
| 15:21.04 | ghee | dudeman, still haven't got nastalikh down |
| 15:21.09 | dudeman | *sigh* I guess its just me then ;) |
| 15:21.24 | koolhead17 | dudeman: can u do that? |
| 15:21.31 | dudeman | do what? |
| 15:23.35 | Neaai | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/19557/ |
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| 15:24.02 | dudeman | ghee, great nickname btw |
| 15:24.05 | dudeman | heh |
| 15:24.35 | ghee | dudeman, thx though dudeman's quite stylish |
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| 15:24.49 | dudeman | ghee, lets talk elsewhere |
| 15:24.55 | dudeman | you too kool |
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| 15:26.59 | Neaai | abrotman: Maybe it's worth to mention that for some reason, in etch, my ethernet is named "eth1". I installed Lenny via debootstrap from it. Could there be any refference to eth1 somewhere? An eth1 that doesn't exist? |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | Neaai: if you 'dmesg | grep -i eth' .. do you see anything about renaming ? |
| 15:28.30 | noborusa | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 15:28.31 | noborusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.31 | noborusa | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:28.38 | Neaai | abrotman: Not really. the tg3 driver only reffers to eth0. There's nowhere anything else. |
| 15:28.42 | noborusa | how come? i am already using that kernel. |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about dsa |
| 15:28.56 | WolvBite | hey all. is pulse audio a substitute/replacement for alsa? |
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| 15:29.10 | abrotman | Neaai: so if you ifconfig -a .. it shows eth0 or eth1 ? |
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| 15:29.30 | Neaai | abrotman: eth0 |
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| 15:30.11 | abrotman | Neaai: try to comment out the allow-hotplug line and see if the behaviour changes |
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| 15:30.21 | Neaai | abrotman: I checked and doublechecked this many times already. It's strange the init.d/networking script refuses to manipulate the interface. |
| 15:30.25 | Neaai | ok |
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| 15:33.00 | Neaai | abrotman: still the same result. It tells: deconfiguring network interfaces.... Done. But still eth0 is up. Actually, I brought up the interface initially via "ifconfig". I'll try ifconfig eth0 down and then the start script. brb |
| 15:34.17 | Neaai | abrotman: It works this way. |
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| 15:34.53 | abrotman | Neaai: i can't recall if the allow-hotplug eth0 needs to be in the stanza or not .. but it's up to you if you want to leave it that way |
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| 15:35.32 | Neaai | abrotman: I'll have it commented out for the time being. I had it that way in etch too. |
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| 15:35.52 | multi_io | figures that the Linux audio stuff is too brittle to support anything but playing your mp3s from the command line using mplayer |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | what? |
| 15:36.14 | multi_io | (and even that occasionally doesn't work) |
| 15:36.16 | abrotman | that sounds like a troll |
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| 15:37.05 | abrotman | or at least someone that hasn't a clue :) |
| 15:37.17 | multi_io | well, I just restarted songbird, and now it won't playback my shoutcast streams anymore |
| 15:37.24 | multi_io | neither my podcasts |
| 15:37.30 | Neaai | which brings forth my other issue, abrotman. The sound issue :) |
| 15:37.32 | multi_io | nor my mp3 |
| 15:37.49 | abrotman | multi_io: it's probably hung and locked the output device .. |
| 15:38.03 | abrotman | Neaai: did you install alsa-utils and run alsaconf ? |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | multi_io: if you setup dmix .. that would hopefully not happen again |
| 15:38.18 | multi_io | no, it tells me a required gstreamer plugin isn't installed |
| 15:38.23 | multi_io | I have dmix |
| 15:38.45 | multi_io | which brings us to another mess: gstreamer :-P |
| 15:38.58 | Neaai | abrotman: I don't think I have, unless apt has done so during initial debootstrap and then apt-get install gnome |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | Neaai: so give it a whirl |
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| 15:39.34 | Neaai | abrotman: on my way to that right now |
| 15:39.35 | multi_io | ...but sondbird worked just 10 minutes ago, and I didn'T update and gstreamer stuff in a long time |
| 15:39.48 | multi_io | (I wouldn't dare) |
| 15:40.05 | abrotman | multi_io: and oyu're running sid right? |
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| 15:40.40 | multi_io | yes |
| 15:40.51 | multi_io | well, maybe a bit of testing too... |
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| 15:41.20 | abrotman | so you run sid, but you don't update anything .. makes perfect sense |
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| 15:41.43 | multi_io | it ran 10 minutes ago! |
| 15:42.16 | vinc456 | how can i time the running time of three programs at once? I tried the following but the output doesn't make much sense. (a.out is the same program) http://pastebin.com/d594b98c |
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| 15:42.53 | abrotman | vinc456: you want them all to run concurrently ? |
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| 15:43.13 | vinc456 | abrotman: yep |
| 15:43.28 | vinc456 | it looks like they're running one after the other |
| 15:43.44 | abrotman | vinc456: time foo >foo.time & time foo2 >foo2.time .. etc .. i think perhaps might work fro you |
| 15:43.50 | multi_io | time bash -c "prog1 & prog2 & prog3 &" |
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| 15:43.59 | multi_io | um no |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | oh .. he wants the consolidated time ? |
| 15:44.30 | vinc456 | no, i want to examine the effect of nice value on the cpu time for each process |
| 15:44.50 | vinc456 | i think i will try writing all the times to files then |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | Neaai: any luck ? |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | vinc456: or ask #bash |
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| 15:45.07 | vinc456 | ok, thanks for the help! |
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| 15:46.05 | Neaai | abrotman: alsaconfig says it has found 2 soundcards, intel8x0 and legacy. I chose intel, thats what I have. Configuration goes fine, I open the mixer, I start playing an mp3, yet there's no sound out of my earphones. Strange! |
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| 15:47.18 | scant | hi, i've been having an issue with /dev/rtc, getting permission denied when a program is trying to access it, i found this while searching for a solution, can anyone tell me if it's true? Audio-devices, video-devices,floppies, cdroms etc have groups audio, video, floppy, cdrom, where you can put users into to give them the right to access these devices, but rtc does not have this feature in debian. |
| 15:47.42 | dudeman | strange |
| 15:48.01 | dudeman | Neaai, you have volume levels set? |
| 15:48.07 | Neaai | abrotman: I even heared a fraction of a second of whitenoise when alsaconfg ended and told me "Have a lot of fun" |
| 15:48.11 | dudeman | Neaai, you add youself to the audio group and relogin? |
| 15:48.26 | dudeman | !alsa checklist |
| 15:48.26 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 15:48.35 | dudeman | Neaai, run through this real quick |
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| 15:48.57 | cahoot | scant: not set in /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules ? |
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| 15:49.13 | dudeman | Neaai, and make sure the speaker plug is connected ;) |
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| 15:50.05 | Neaai | dudeman: hehe. Indeed I'm checking all those. Till now no luck, that Noise.wav for root didn't work either. |
| 15:50.09 | scant | cahoot: I don't have /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
| 15:50.40 | cahoot | scant: might be because I have lenny here |
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| 15:52.09 | scant | i also read the /dev/rtc on debian doesn't support multiple opens, is this also true? |
| 15:52.16 | Neaai | dudeman: abrotman: I seem to have all ok at my end. Yet no sound is playing at all. |
| 15:52.37 | abrotman | Neaai: do you have gnome installed and esd running ? |
| 15:53.11 | dudeman | Neaai, is your hardware ok? |
| 15:53.23 | dudeman | Neaai, meaning volume knobs? wires? plugs? jacks? |
| 15:53.46 | scant | cahoot: I have 020_permissions.rules, it has KERNEL=="rtc|rtc[0-9]*", GROUP="audio" |
| 15:53.49 | Neaai | abrotman: Yes I have gnome, how do I make sure that esd is running? I can say that when I tried to play an mp3 all was working well. Just no sound. |
| 15:54.05 | scant | cahoot: I also have z99_rtc.rules |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | ps aux | grep esd . |
| 15:54.14 | Neaai | dudeman: yes. in etch and winXP it's all good. Just now in Lenny i have this trouble. |
| 15:54.19 | abrotman | ps aux | grep esd |
| 15:54.22 | abrotman | stupid dots! |
| 15:54.23 | scant | cahoot: in z99_rtc.rules, it has KERNEL=="rtc0", SYMLINK+="rtc" |
| 15:54.24 | dudeman | oh alright just making sure |
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| 15:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | How do you configure ltsp if you don't have ltspadmin? |
| 15:55.30 | Neaai | abrotman: dudeman: ok, dumb thing. that command only reveals: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 15:55.36 | Neaai | ooops. stupid paste |
| 15:55.54 | Neaai | root 9528 0.0 0.0 3912 708 pts/0 R+ 17:54 0:00 grep esd |
| 15:56.02 | Neaai | I guess esd is not there. |
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| 15:57.54 | abrotman | Neaai: did you turn the audio levels up on all cards ? |
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| 15:59.12 | flypiper | other than VLC,, is there another app that can do rtsp(real time streaming protocol)?? |
| 15:59.15 | Neaai | abrotman: I did. But I'm not sure why alsaconf said it's an Intel card and a legacy card there? I only have the intel sound card. |
| 15:59.37 | dudeman | it always does |
| 15:59.41 | abrotman | Neaai: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:59.43 | dudeman | onboard and legacy is isa etc. |
| 15:59.50 | dudeman | old school shit |
| 15:59.53 | Neaai | oh I see |
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| 15:59.58 | cahoot | and alsaconf is obsolete |
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| 16:00.07 | dudeman | oh it is? |
| 16:00.15 | dudeman | any replacement or is it auto now? |
| 16:00.20 | dudeman | starting when? |
| 16:00.21 | cahoot | auto |
| 16:00.23 | cast|lir | hey guys, i have a failing 300GB used as sda to house my debian install, i have a spare 250GB sitting on the desk, the last 100 or so GB of sda is some scratch partition with nothing important, i can just dd if=300gb of=250gb fine right? later on i can sort out that last cut off partition |
| 16:00.27 | dudeman | sweet! |
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| 16:00.44 | cahoot | provided you have a supported card |
| 16:00.45 | oklinux | hey dudeman |
| 16:00.49 | dudeman | hi |
| 16:01.06 | wols_ | cahoot: you cannot transfer disk to disk, but you can do partition to partition |
| 16:01.18 | WolvBite | does pulseaudio need alsa? |
| 16:01.23 | multi_io | in the Linux audio mess[tm], everything transitions from "beta" directly to "obsolete" :-D |
| 16:01.23 | dudeman | no |
| 16:01.24 | wols_ | WolvBite: yes |
| 16:01.26 | x193800_ | i've just compiled kernel 2.6.27 with acpi support |
| 16:01.31 | scant | is anyone familiar with my /dev/rtc issue? |
| 16:01.31 | WolvBite | ty |
| 16:01.32 | x193800_ | but im getting ACPI: I/O resource 0000:00:1f.3 [0x18c0-0x18df] conflicts with ACPI region SMBI[0x18c0-0x18cf] |
| 16:01.38 | x193800_ | ACPI: Device needs an ACPI driver |
| 16:01.38 | dudeman | for local sound yes |
| 16:01.46 | dudeman | but you can do remote with pulseaudio without alsa I think |
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| 16:02.18 | x193800_ | and ideas people ? |
| 16:02.34 | dudeman | x193800_, try to google the error message |
| 16:02.40 | dudeman | or parts of it |
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| 16:02.49 | x193800_ | tried part of it |
| 16:02.49 | magyar | hi, is there a webcam utility for kde in debian? |
| 16:02.51 | cast|lir | wols_: cast? |
| 16:02.57 | x193800_ | im still searching right now |
| 16:03.02 | x193800_ | not finding much |
| 16:03.37 | dudeman | cahoot, all onboard intel should be auto then right? |
| 16:03.40 | Neaai | I'll reboot and check something. I think I messed something up with the modules for sound.. |
| 16:03.50 | dudeman | cahoot, intel has excellent hw support linux wise I hear |
| 16:04.00 | dudeman | cahoot, I own a GA mobo, but intel chipset |
| 16:04.13 | oklinux | dudeman, can I turn these off anacron,atd,cronk,klogd,sysklogd ? |
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| 16:04.15 | dudeman | never had the pleasure of onboard intel video where everything works like composite etc. |
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| 16:04.22 | dudeman | oklinux, uh no |
| 16:04.27 | Krooks | I have hp psc 2110 aio printer. I have installed hplip. I want to use the scanner. Do I have to use sane ? |
| 16:04.31 | dudeman | oklinux, those are important system services |
| 16:04.37 | dudeman | oklinux, you dont' want to mess with those |
| 16:04.46 | oklinux | ok |
| 16:04.46 | dudeman | oklinux, best leave them be |
| 16:05.20 | Eulex | oklinux, only attempt turning any of them off if you have _very_ limited cpu or ram -- leave them be otherwise. |
| 16:06.07 | dudeman | psc are hp deskjet? |
| 16:06.16 | dudeman | shouldn't they scan via hpijs? |
| 16:06.24 | dudeman | inkjet scanner |
| 16:07.02 | dudeman | (I haven't owned hp hw in a long time, my knowledge goes as far back as sarge when I had that psc printer) |
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| 16:07.29 | dudeman | !hpijs |
| 16:07.37 | oklinux | thanks Duddle Eulex |
| 16:07.45 | dudeman | dude... |
| 16:08.00 | dudeman | man. |
| 16:08.04 | oklinux | dudeman, I meant you |
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| 16:08.22 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:08.49 | dudeman | k bye |
| 16:08.55 | dudeman | *afk* |
| 16:08.59 | oklinux | if it work dont tweak it right dudeman ? |
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| 16:11.18 | juanra | hi |
| 16:11.34 | juanra | why is not possible to install anjuta on sid?? |
| 16:11.43 | abrotman | do you get an error ? |
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| 16:12.03 | abrotman | did you do an 'aptitude update' before trying to install it ? |
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| 16:13.10 | juanra | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:15.49 | Neaai | My audio issue seems more like a channel thingy. Like the music is playing but it's playing elsewhere. All works as it should when I look at it, just there's no sound. |
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| 16:17.41 | abrotman | juanra: and what's the error ? |
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| 16:18.22 | Neaai | I'll leave this for a later time anyhow. Another question would be why does nm-applet have a sign like a small red square with a white "x" in it? And clicking it reveals "no network devices have been found". I know I have a network card. This behaviour is the same in etch and lenny for me. |
| 16:18.25 | pipeline | dudeman, oklinux : Pretty sure the multifunction printers show up as various separate devices on the bus. You should be able to scan with a normal SANE scanner driver. |
| 16:18.27 | juanra | abrotman: anjuta: Depends: libgbf-1-1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:18.27 | juanra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.56 | pipeline | Neaai: your user account probably doesn't have permissions to do anything. |
| 16:19.08 | pipeline | Neaai: don't worry, you're not missing anything: network-manager is a total clusterfuck even when it's working. |
| 16:19.12 | pipeline | Neaai: I can't stand it. |
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| 16:19.14 | Neaai | pipeline: I added my username in all groups possible. |
| 16:19.23 | pipeline | Neaai: *shrug* |
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| 16:19.48 | pipeline | Neaai: there are ways to explicitly exclude a device from network-manager's purview, that's a possibility. Also, is hald installed? is dbus running? is your personal session dbus running? |
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| 16:19.51 | abrotman | juanra: i'd guess the buildd is behind .. try again later today? |
| 16:19.52 | pipeline | Neaai: lots of moving parts :( |
| 16:20.26 | juanra | abrotman: i think this issue exists two weeks ago |
| 16:20.27 | Neaai | pipeline: I see. I'll see to check on all you just said though :D |
| 16:20.44 | abrotman | juanra: so check the buildd logs for the package |
| 16:21.07 | Neaai | pipeline: I feel envious when Ubuntu has these small things running fine though. *hides* |
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| 16:21.29 | pipeline | Neaai: ok, please notice that there are two dbus instances here. System dbus and session dbus both have to be working. |
| 16:21.43 | pipeline | Neaai: I suspect you will say "damnit, I messed with all that and THIS is what I get?" when you're done :X |
| 16:21.57 | Neaai | pipeline: is that so.. hmmm. |
| 16:22.10 | juanra | ok thanks abrotman |
| 16:22.13 | pipeline | Neaai: network-manager really sucks out loud. |
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| 16:22.32 | Neaai | pipeline: Actually I can do without it just fine |
| 16:22.33 | Gloom | guys got a poltergeist here!! hdparm -t /dev/sda1 gives 22Mb/sec while hrparm -t /dev/sda2 gives 44Mb/sec. Same SATA disk, same filesystem (reiserfs)!!!!! Any ideas?? The only difference is that /dev/sda1 has de OS... |
| 16:22.34 | abrotman | pipeline: as bad as s3 cards? |
| 16:22.48 | pipeline | abrotman: s3 cards were shitty 3d accelerators, perfectly usable dumb framebuffers. |
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| 16:23.11 | pipeline | abrotman: I used to have a pair of s3 trio64s doing grayscale 1024x768 for my 2nd and 3rd monitors :D |
| 16:23.17 | abrotman | wonders if pipeline needs to /msg dpkg s3 for a refresher |
| 16:23.30 | pipeline | Neaai: it's better than telling a nontechnical user to futz with wpa_supplicant every time he wants to pop onto a wireless network, but only a little bit better ;p |
| 16:23.42 | Neaai | lol |
| 16:23.57 | pipeline | abrotman: hah. |
| 16:24.15 | pipeline | abrotman: ok it's true that there was an intense amount of suffering involved in getting that configuration to work |
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| 16:24.32 | pipeline | abrotman: a lot of trial, error, reboot configuration testing to find out exactly what resolutions and clock lines actually worked -_- |
| 16:24.39 | pipeline | abrotman: I probably said that around the time that I did that :\ |
| 16:25.06 | Neaai | pipeline: reminded me of wifi. I installed ubuntu for a friend on a laptop. nm-applet did wireless fine. What's a good utility to use in a non nm-applet Debian for wifi ? |
| 16:25.21 | pipeline | Neaai: there is none |
| 16:25.26 | pipeline | Neaai: nm-applet is just the client application for network-manager |
| 16:25.31 | pipeline | Neaai: network-manager is the only such application |
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| 16:25.34 | pipeline | Neaai: and it's fucking awful |
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| 16:25.44 | pipeline | Neaai: nm-applet is not the problem, network-manager is the problem |
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| 16:26.10 | Neaai | pipeline: And what is there to use conveniently for wifi? iwconfig and it's ilk ? |
| 16:26.45 | pipeline | Neaai: nothing. You suffer with iwconfig and modprobe and wpa_supplicant :) |
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| 16:27.27 | Neaai | pipeline: that's a bugger in the long run though .... |
| 16:27.33 | pipeline | Neaai: sure is |
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| 16:27.48 | pipeline | Neaai: welcome to linux hope you enjoy your stay, here's a complimentary bathtowel that won't actually dry you. |
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| 16:28.11 | Neaai | always has the towel with him! |
| 16:28.17 | pipeline | Neaai: I have wpa_supplicant start up automatically when the wireless driver loads |
| 16:28.43 | Neaai | pipeline: I saw wifi-radar being mentioned somewhere. Is it any good ? |
| 16:28.50 | pipeline | Neaai: and my wireless card will usually associate with the 'right' network when I wander within range. I just don't worry about it. If I'm wrong, I have to get in there and wang around with iwconfig. |
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| 16:29.00 | pipeline | Neaai: I don't know what it is. I just use iwlist eth4 scanning ;) |
| 16:29.23 | pipeline | Neaai: well, hot damn. It looks way better than network-manager. |
| 16:29.34 | Neaai | pipeline: Yes, but I can't torture my sister that much when she gets my laptop. :D |
| 16:29.35 | pipeline | Neaai: sure looks like it just invokes wireless-tools commands (iwconfig, iwlist et al) to do the work |
| 16:29.38 | Gloom | oh man, it's driving me mad!! What else could affect the performance of a disk aoart from the disk and the fs? |
| 16:29.52 | BitUnique | how do i completly remove mysql server 5.0? |
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| 16:30.05 | pipeline | Gloom: IOs per second; garbage on the bus; garbage on the system bus; interrupt load on the CPU; cosmic rays |
| 16:30.09 | pipeline | BitUnique: apt-get remove --purge |
| 16:30.28 | Neaai | pipeline: yeap. wifi-radar seems good to me too. Just don't know how good is "good" in this case |
| 16:30.31 | pipeline | BitUnique: --purge tells apt to delete configuration files and stuff you normally wouldn't want to remove |
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| 16:30.58 | pipeline | Neaai: it's almost certainly better than the alternative (network-manager or printing a forty page guide on the CLI for your sister) |
| 16:31.33 | Gloom | pipeline: no man. It's the same disk, same bus, same loaded system(almos idle now), and same filesystem, and two contiguous partitions give totally different results!! The doulbe! I don't get it |
| 16:31.45 | Neaai | pipeline: I wonder, whom do we have to bug to include wifi-radar in a standard desktop Debian installation ? |
| 16:31.58 | BitUnique | pipeline: thanks, i managed to purge it :) |
| 16:32.17 | wuseldusel | the guys in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/140604 have figured out a solution for an issue with 32bit gtk apps on a 64bit ubuntu. it involves a symlink having "i486-pc-linux-gnu" for the respective platform in it. this does not work for me (debian testing amd64). how can i figure out the correct platform string for my system? |
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| 16:34.46 | pipeline | wuseldusel: try i386-pc-linux-gnu |
| 16:34.48 | steampunkey|teln | So is gnash any better than swfdec (which comes pre-installed, I see)? |
| 16:35.07 | pipeline | wuseldusel: actually it might be i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 16:35.13 | pipeline | wuseldusel: can't remember how to look this stuff up |
| 16:35.28 | abrotman | steampunkey|teln: try it .. i'm sure the results are mixed |
| 16:35.37 | cast | so what about the other way, i've found a 500gb drive, can i dd if=300gb of=500gb where 300gb is my root drive, with grub, then unplug and throw away the dying 300gb and put the 500gb in it's place and have it boot? |
| 16:36.02 | steampunkey|teln | I have amd64, any experiences? |
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| 16:36.35 | pipeline | cast: yes and no |
| 16:36.46 | pipeline | cast: yes you can use dd to do this, but no you can't do it from the running system |
| 16:36.52 | pipeline | cast: use a livecd or something |
| 16:36.55 | Neaai | My sound works! |
| 16:37.00 | cast | see, i have no livecd |
| 16:37.07 | cast | why can't i do it from a running system? |
| 16:37.08 | pipeline | cast: if you do it from the running system, you'll get an inconsistent copy of the drive and Bad Stuff could happen. COULD happen. |
| 16:37.14 | pipeline | cast: you could lose data |
| 16:37.28 | cast | she'll be right, will just sync sync dd |
| 16:37.30 | pipeline | cast: anything that's being written while you do it could go to hell. Not a very good idea. |
| 16:37.33 | Neaai | I did a couple of module unloads and reloads and some other "do-this-hoping-it-will-work" and it works now! |
| 16:37.36 | pipeline | cast: it's not that simple :P |
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| 16:37.46 | pipeline | cast: do you have a debian install CD ? you could boot that, then hit alt-f4 to get a terminal. |
| 16:37.54 | cast | nah, dont have any cds |
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| 16:38.03 | pipeline | cast: What do you have? |
| 16:38.09 | pipeline | cast: hmm |
| 16:38.27 | pipeline | cast: you could stop the boot process at the initrd stage, so you're just running off a ramfs |
| 16:38.29 | cast | 4 sata drives, one dying |
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| 16:38.38 | cast | don't want to reboot incase the dying one doesn't make it back |
| 16:38.52 | pipeline | cast: That's insane. |
| 16:39.05 | pipeline | cast: You should reboot and use dd_rescue. It's more fault tolerant than regular dd. |
| 16:39.08 | cast | i can take a lvm snapshot of / so / will be consistant, /var isn't under lvm though so that might be a bit tricky |
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| 16:39.22 | pipeline | cast: You can't take a lvm snapshot of the entire disk including the partition table and bootloader :P |
| 16:39.36 | pipeline | cast: oh wait I see what you're doing there |
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| 16:39.45 | Neaai | From all the palying with modules and alsa, I don't have the volume control applet beside the clock, upper-right corner. How can I put that back there again ? |
| 16:39.49 | Neaai | playing* |
| 16:39.56 | pipeline | cast: you can just delete all data after the snapshot... that's clever. |
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| 16:40.12 | pipeline | cast: /var is easier. You can just mount -o remount,ro /var :P |
| 16:40.20 | cahoot | Neaai: right-click add mixer applet? |
| 16:40.34 | pipeline | cast: on /, mount -o remount,ro may succeed but it won't actually render the disk readonly. Root is special. :\ |
| 16:40.43 | pipeline | cast: kernel processes can write to the root fs no matter what |
| 16:40.56 | pipeline | cast: var is easier in that respect |
| 16:41.09 | Neaai | cahoot: I feel dumb. It was easy enough. |
| 16:41.23 | cast | if i install grub on the sata 500gb on channel 3 at the moment, then reboot, plugging it into channel 1, will grub assplode? |
| 16:43.24 | pipeline | cast: probably not |
| 16:43.52 | dudeman | as long as it is on the mbr and bios boots from it |
| 16:43.56 | dudeman | you'll be fine |
| 16:44.58 | cast | ahh, ok. what ill do is partition the 500gb, take a snapshot of / and copy it on, remount ro and copy it on, and install grub on it, then unplug dying 300gb and reboot |
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| 16:45.14 | cast | remount /var ro* |
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| 16:46.32 | cast | [maybe write fstab using uuid's, too |
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| 16:49.31 | J_adore | http://pastebin.ca/1231077 <--- I fsked up somewhere, because every 20 minutes this message is sent to my internal mailbox.. I checked all crontabs but didn't see it anywhere, so I dont know what it is |
| 16:49.41 | wuseldusel | pipeline: i tryed [i386|i486|i686|ia32|ix86|x86]-pc-linux-gnu ... none of it did worked :/ |
| 16:49.45 | cast | ahh, will my initrd need any modifications? |
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| 16:51.49 | abrotman | J_adore: it looks like sendmail is telling you that sendmail-msp doesn't exist |
| 16:52.00 | abrotman | wtf is /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail ? |
| 16:52.11 | J_adore | That's the sendmail program |
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| 16:52.20 | Neaai | Customisation question. While on gnome, opening "Computer" or "User's Home" or getting to them from the "Places" system menu, opens these locations in windows and then each folder in them opens in another window, and so on. How to change that behaviour so it becoms as when you right-click on a folder and select "browse folder"? So that subsequent opens occur in that same window not a separate one? |
| 16:52.31 | pipeline | wuseldusel: you could use strace/ltrace to figure out what filename gtk is looking for :) |
| 16:52.34 | J_adore | abrotman, how do I shut it up? |
| 16:52.59 | pipeline | wuseldusel: strace will give you a printout for every system call made.... one of those is going to be an fopen() or dlopen() or fstat() on the mysterious filename |
| 16:53.07 | pipeline | wuseldusel: so like strace foo | grep /usr/lib32/blahlablablah |
| 16:53.25 | pipeline | wuseldusel: ltrace does the same thing, but instead of system calls, library calls. |
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| 16:54.21 | oklinux | is it possible to burn a iso on usb flash drive ? |
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| 16:54.36 | WolvBite | how to i force dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ask more detailed questions |
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| 16:57.44 | abrotman | WolvBite: are you using lenny? |
| 16:57.44 | cahoot | oklinux: you want a bootable usb stick? |
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| 16:59.07 | WolvBite | abrotman: yes I'm using Lenny |
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| 16:59.08 | oklinux | yes |
| 16:59.22 | abrotman | WolvBite: then it won't ask you much .. what are oyu trying to change? |
| 16:59.58 | WolvBite | trying to permanently chage scree resolution to 1920x1200 60 hz |
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| 17:00.34 | danielbvho | hello all |
| 17:00.36 | WolvBite | I looked at xorg.conf and it looks totally different |
| 17:01.23 | abrotman | what is your WM ? |
| 17:01.31 | WolvBite | fluxbox |
| 17:01.44 | cahoot | oklinux: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 17:02.18 | x193800_ | gnome-power-manager is displaying that the power is always from AC |
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| 17:02.24 | WolvBite | i guess i'll have to manually configure xorg.conf |
| 17:02.52 | x193800_ | but /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state shows it correctly |
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| 17:05.16 | jchaiken | I have an odd problem. I'm running Debian on hardware with no video card. I have an application that needs X. Can I set X up such that it defaults to display on a remote X Server? |
| 17:05.29 | x193800_ | pluse /proc/acpi/power_resource/ is empty |
| 17:05.57 | x193800_ | can someone pls check for me what files he has in /proc/acpi/power_resource/ |
| 17:06.25 | x193800_ | he/she* |
| 17:06.37 | BitUnique | if i just did a rm file.*** is there a way to undo that? |
| 17:07.13 | BitUnique | like a undo rm command maybe? |
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| 17:08.28 | platformagnostic | BitUnique, I am still fairly novice, but I think you are out of luck my friend |
| 17:09.25 | BitUnique | np. i got a backup anyways |
| 17:10.17 | x193800_ | bitunique , |
| 17:11.20 | jchaiken | can anyone help w/ my q? |
| 17:11.46 | BitUnique | x193800_: ? |
| 17:12.00 | x193800_ | can you do something for me m8 ? |
| 17:12.39 | abrotman | jchaiken: how are you planning to display the application? |
| 17:13.26 | jchaiken | For 99% of the time, i'm not. For the other 1% (and inital config) I would liek to display on a remote X Server (Such as X/Ming or similar) |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | jchaiken: so install the application .. then run it remotely |
| 17:13.48 | x193800_ | in terminal type "cd /proc/acpi/power_resource/" , then type "ls" and let me know whats the output |
| 17:14.00 | x193800_ | abrotman , can you do that for me pls ? |
| 17:14.04 | abrotman | x193800_: you're supposed to switch to /sys/ |
| 17:14.11 | x193800_ | i need to know what files im missing |
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| 17:14.38 | jchaiken | Is there a way for the default screen to be on a remote Server? |
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| 17:16.03 | teratoma | is there a graphical UI for dnsmasq ? |
| 17:16.18 | x193800_ | abortman :gnome-power-manager is displaying that the power is always from AC |
| 17:16.25 | x193800_ | but /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state shows it correctly |
| 17:16.33 | abrotman | x193800_: you're supposed to switch to /sys/ |
| 17:16.35 | x193800_ | as in off-line or on-line |
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| 17:17.26 | x193800_ | even cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state gives me correct outputs |
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| 17:17.46 | abrotman | x193800_: boot a debian kernel |
| 17:17.52 | x193800_ | abortman : what do you mean by that? |
| 17:18.11 | abrotman | x193800_: cat /proc/version .. what does it say ? |
| 17:18.50 | x193800_ | linux-2.6.27 |
| 17:19.20 | x193800_ | Linux version 2.6.27-y (root@debian) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Oct 19 03:14:26 EDT 2008 |
| 17:19.59 | abrotman | x193800_: now boot a debian kernel .. i'm not going to guess how you incorrectly configured your kernel |
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| 17:20.33 | wuseldusel | pipeline: with or without link its the same: http://pastebin.com/d4556b40f and http://pastebin.com/d669c4bd - its weird... it first searches in the right places, and that files all definitely exist! but access() returns "ENOENT (No such file or directory)" all the time |
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| 17:20.55 | Krooks | whenever I run xsane, I get the screen that warns me about running as root. I click continue and I get segmentation error |
| 17:21.05 | x193800_ | as in the one that came with my debian installation abortman ? |
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| 17:21.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:21.49 | abrotman | Krooks: so don't run it as root |
| 17:21.51 | thedonvaughn | x193800_: what's the issue? My backlog is b0rked. I run 2.6.27.2 with acpi/battery. |
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| 17:22.48 | x193800_ | thedonvaugh : acpi i running yet gnome-power-manager always displays that the power is coming for AC |
| 17:22.57 | pipeline | wuseldusel: tried a hardlink instead of a softlink ? |
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| 17:23.23 | x193800_ | yet /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state shows it correctly |
| 17:23.24 | wuseldusel | directories can't be hardlinked i thougth? |
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| 17:23.43 | zeno | is there a way to list all reccomended packages based on what i have installed? |
| 17:24.08 | x193800_ | is running* |
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| 17:24.31 | BitUnique | x193800_: i was on the phone, so was unable to help you out. i see abrotman helped you out tho, so :) |
| 17:24.55 | x193800_ | no he didnt |
| 17:24.57 | smacnay | Anyone using picasa for linux? Any feedback? |
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| 17:25.32 | parfu | is it possible to install debian from the net by booting from an 128 Mb flash Drive? (or redirect me to a howto) |
| 17:25.34 | x193800_ | bitunique pls in terminal type "cd /proc/acpi/power_resource/" , then type "ls" and let me know whats the output |
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| 17:26.07 | x193800_ | google can redirect you to a howto parfu , yes it is possible |
| 17:26.09 | wuseldusel | pipeline: "hard link not allowed for directory", but its weird that it couldn't access the right files which it tried at first ... |
| 17:26.43 | BitUnique | x193800_: i got nothing in there |
| 17:26.57 | x193800_ | does you acpi work correctly ? |
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| 17:27.09 | x193800_ | wait , are you using a laptop ? |
| 17:27.12 | BitUnique | x193800_: lol, i dont even know what that is |
| 17:27.16 | BitUnique | yes |
| 17:27.47 | x193800_ | gnome-power-manager shows correct info about battery states ? |
| 17:28.04 | x193800_ | like if your connected to AC power or from the battery ... |
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| 17:28.37 | BitUnique | yes |
| 17:28.48 | BitUnique | my battery is old |
| 17:28.54 | BitUnique | 1h 20min runtime a |
| 17:29.22 | BitUnique | i need more fuelcellz! |
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| 17:30.02 | x193800_ | first the sound doesnt work now it works after compiling a newer kernel |
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| 17:30.13 | x193800_ | but oh look the damn acpi doesnt wana work now ! |
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| 17:30.43 | x193800_ | going to eat pizza |
| 17:30.46 | x193800_ | later, |
| 17:31.29 | BitUnique | aah, the joys of linux :) |
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| 17:31.58 | BitUnique | without these kinds of problems, it would be pretty boring eh |
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| 17:32.44 | pipeline | wuseldusel: oh, for a directory, do cp -lR |
| 17:33.06 | pipeline | wuseldusel: it will create all the directories, but all the files therein will be hardlinks rather than copies. |
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| 17:33.34 | pipeline | BitUnique: yeah without doing stupid shit for the hell of it it would be like stuff hardly ever broke |
| 17:36.09 | Gm4n | what does "Will now mount local filesystems: failed!" mean during the boot sequence? (the box boots and operates just fine) |
| 17:37.17 | pipeline | Gm4n: you probably have a garbage entry in /etc/fstab |
| 17:37.53 | x193800_ | could have set something to mount on boot that no longer is connected |
| 17:37.58 | Gm4n | pipeline: how an I tell which one is garbage? |
| 17:38.41 | pipeline | Gm4n: if you don't know it's probably not worth pursuing |
| 17:38.51 | Gm4n | http://pastebin.ca/1231105 |
| 17:38.54 | Gm4n | it's a very simple fstab |
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| 17:40.53 | x193800_ | abortman : whats the solution that you were trying to tell me about ? |
| 17:40.53 | Gm4n | the first three lines are fine (I have a filesystem, and I have swap), so it has to be one of the last two |
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| 17:49.44 | bunnyto | hi |
| 17:50.22 | shital | Hi |
| 17:50.25 | shaun | hello |
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| 17:52.38 | caimlas | hey |
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| 17:53.09 | caimlas | anyone know if dpkg can remove all of a package's otherwise unused dependencies while removing the package? |
| 17:53.46 | Eulex | caimlas, dpkg cannot. it doesn't do things like that. aptitude (and apt-get from lenny and on) can do that. |
| 17:54.26 | caimlas | Eulex, what would the command for that be? |
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| 17:54.41 | shaun | Im having problems getting ./configure to see my libgtk2.0-dev headers. It keeps complaining it can't find gtk/gtk.h, but its there, under /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h. I have pkg-config and all other dependanices installed. |
| 17:54.58 | Eulex | caimlas, just remove it. but please note: the support for it in aptitude depends on that you used aptitude to install it... |
| 17:55.10 | Eulex | caimlas, for apt-get, you do apt-get autoremove (iirc) |
| 17:55.11 | shaun | Do I have to issue a command after I apt-get something to make configure scripts find newly installed dev libs? |
| 17:55.23 | abrotman | no |
| 17:55.41 | peppe | shaun: no, are you sure that your configure isn't complaining about gtk-RELATED libs? |
| 17:55.48 | Eulex | shaun, what's the exact error? |
| 17:56.16 | caimlas | Eulex, thanks |
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| 17:57.29 | shaun | well, there isnt an error exactly, just during the configure i get "checking for gtk/gtk.h presence..... no" and then make fails to build the gtk portions of the software im trying to build (skyeye) |
| 17:57.54 | shaun | the gtk gui isnt compulsary so configure doesnt actually fail |
| 17:58.15 | peppe | shaun: paste the configure log somewhere |
| 17:59.07 | shaun | righto |
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| 18:01.21 | shaun | the gtk related line is "conftest.c:40:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory" |
| 18:01.28 | caimlas | -that's- messed up. 'su' uses more processor clock cycles than top does |
| 18:01.29 | shaun | do you want the whole file up somewhere? |
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| 18:01.42 | caimlas | (on netbsd) |
| 18:01.53 | peppe | shaun: yes, paste the config.log on a pastebin |
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| 18:02.49 | Spreadsheet_ | hello |
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| 18:03.17 | Spreadsheet_ | will the lenny netinst cd work with PCI cards on a laptop? |
| 18:03.41 | shaun | http://pastebin.com/m44708a0e |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | what kind of pci card? |
| 18:03.49 | Spreadsheet_ | wait |
| 18:03.54 | shaun | thanks for taking the time to have a look, peppe |
| 18:04.36 | Spreadsheet_ | abrotman: it just says pci (on windows device manager) |
| 18:04.44 | Spreadsheet_ | and pci - something |
| 18:05.06 | Spreadsheet_ | pci ram controller, pci sttandard blah.. |
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| 18:06.37 | toehio | hello |
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| 18:06.48 | Spreadsheet_ | hi toehio |
| 18:06.50 | shaun | hi |
| 18:07.23 | shaun | Spreadsheet_: have you considered just trying it? |
| 18:07.34 | shaun | it might be your lucky day |
| 18:07.43 | toehio | On the Debian sites I noticed that there where many CDs to install Debian. Is it possible to just install it with one CD like other distros? |
| 18:07.55 | Spreadsheet_ | shaun: no |
| 18:07.57 | Spreadsheet_ | :) |
| 18:08.08 | peppe | shaun: mhm... something is wrong with that configure, it should check for gtk/gtk.h path with pkgconfig |
| 18:08.26 | Spreadsheet_ | ok you can choose not to install, right? i just want to see if it works |
| 18:09.05 | shaun | yeah, spreedsheet, you can quit at almost anystage |
| 18:09.16 | shaun | whats the pci thing you want to check? the nic? |
| 18:09.32 | Spreadsheet_ | nic? |
| 18:09.38 | shaun | network card |
| 18:09.41 | Spreadsheet_ | it sayss for netinst you cant use pci to install packages |
| 18:09.44 | Spreadsheet_ | yes |
| 18:10.19 | shaun | yeah, it try to configure your network early in the install |
| 18:10.29 | shaun | before partitioning and all that, iirc |
| 18:11.08 | Spreadsheet_ | k |
| 18:12.43 | Spreadsheet_ | netinst has installgui, right? |
| 18:12.58 | shaun | peppe: do you think itss worth trying to autconf it again, or do you think the configure.in is just messed up? |
| 18:13.07 | shaun | Spreadsheet_: Yeah |
| 18:13.10 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 18:13.24 | shaun | nothing flashy, but it works fine |
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| 18:13.31 | Spreadsheet_ | so should i do tasks=xfce-desktop first or installgui |
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| 18:14.21 | shaun | Spreadsheet_: Im not sure, i just booted from the CD and the GUI came up |
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| 18:14.48 | Eulex | Spreadsheet_, installgui just means that the _installer_ uses a gui. says nothing about what will be installed. |
| 18:14.53 | Spreadsheet_ | ic |
| 18:14.58 | Spreadsheet_ | i know |
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| 18:16.43 | Spreadsheet_ | if i install xfce and no other desktop enviroment, itll use xfce as default, yes? |
| 18:16.57 | Eulex | yes |
| 18:17.01 | Spreadsheet_ | k |
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| 18:17.40 | Spreadsheet_ | ok, now i have a broadcom card, how do i get that to work? |
| 18:18.01 | Eulex | ... which of them? |
| 18:18.28 | Spreadsheet_ | what? |
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| 18:18.32 | Spreadsheet_ | which of them? |
| 18:18.37 | Eulex | !broadcom |
| 18:18.37 | Spreadsheet_ | a wireless card |
| 18:18.37 | dpkg | i guess broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43>, or <bcm5906m> |
| 18:18.47 | Spreadsheet_ | oh yeah |
| 18:18.48 | Spreadsheet_ | >.< |
| 18:18.56 | Spreadsheet_ | i forgot i just had that wiki page up |
| 18:19.14 | Eulex | there's plenty of different broadcom cards |
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| 18:19.48 | wols_ | Spreadsheet_: lspci -nn |
| 18:19.49 | Spreadsheet_ | however if it is not my lucky day, and i cant install packages using the PCI card, what should i do? |
| 18:19.54 | Spreadsheet_ | i know what i have |
| 18:20.04 | wols_ | Spreadsheet_: but we don't and then we can't help you |
| 18:20.13 | wols_ | Spreadsheet_: but suit yourself if you don't want help. good day |
| 18:20.22 | Spreadsheet_ | i dont need help for the card |
| 18:20.31 | Spreadsheet_ | but i need help for the PCI card problem |
| 18:20.49 | Eulex | 'pci card problem'? |
| 18:20.57 | wols_ | Eulex: mo' BS |
| 18:21.01 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.06 | Spreadsheet_ | hmm |
| 18:21.42 | dotCOMmie | My computer use to have lilo installed. I then installed grub. For some reason update-grub is not executed when I installl kernel packages. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 18:21.50 | shaun | Spreadsheet_: if its not your lucky day, then there is proberly going to be some sort of error message |
| 18:21.53 | flami | Hum I tried to mount --bind something , also mount says :"/var/run/nscd on /var/chroot/apache/var/run/nscd type none (rw,bind)", but the directory actually empty . what could have gne wrong ? |
| 18:22.03 | wols_ | dotCOMmie: cat /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 18:22.21 | shaun | that, and the exact model of the card, might help these lovley people help you |
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| 18:23.01 | shaun | i still say go ahead and just try it. debian seems to be pretty good and configuring network cards automatically, laptops and all |
| 18:23.04 | Spreadsheet_ | if today is not my lucky day and i cant use the PCI (to install stuff (page says for etch netinstall "Internal (PCI) ISDN cards and WLAN cards are not supported ? sorry!")) (however im using lenny) what would i do |
| 18:23.07 | Spreadsheet_ | ok |
| 18:23.19 | Spreadsheet_ | if that doesnt work ill just put the other distro on it |
| 18:23.22 | Spreadsheet_ | bye! |
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| 18:23.27 | wols_ | Spreadsheet_: you just said you don't need help installing your broadcom card |
| 18:24.57 | flami | oh wait its coold ... I dont know why but now it appearead ( after leaving and then entering the directory , i typed ls -l quite often before that :P) |
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| 18:27.46 | shaun | peppe: you were right about pkg-config btw, the svn version does use it and it works fine. Thanks |
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| 18:28.02 | peppe | shaun: np |
| 18:28.09 | dotCOMmie | wols_: you mean /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
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| 18:35.33 | arrenlex | I want to install a package and all dependencies from experimental. Is there a faster way than apt-get install mypackage/experimental dependency1/experimental dependency2/experimental ... ? |
| 18:35.37 | arrenlex | I have experimental pinned way down. |
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| 18:37.33 | abrotman | aptitude -t experimental install foo |
| 18:37.58 | dvs | wonders why foo is such a popular package ;-) |
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| 18:40.59 | abrotman | dvs: zarro bugs! |
| 18:41.08 | dvs | heh |
| 18:41.39 | hramrach | wants a package that does something and has zero bugs ^_^ |
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| 18:46.29 | sandman | Is there any reason why X might use 56 Hz Vert Freq when I specificy a range of 57 Hz - 150 Hz Vert Freq? |
| 18:46.37 | sandman | In xorg.conf? |
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| 18:46.48 | b0rsuk | Hi |
| 18:46.53 | sandman | Hello. |
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| 18:48.39 | cahoot | no explanantion in xorg.0.log? |
| 18:48.40 | KRF | quick question: whats the correct/default chmod for /root? is it 700? |
| 18:48.40 | pickcoder | is it possible to browse samba shares over openvpn from a windoze desktop using the TUN device? I know TAP bridging works for all protocols but I can't deploy it for security reasons. |
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| 18:49.36 | KRF | can someone with a default setup show me `ls -ld ~root` |
| 18:49.51 | EagleSn | how can i have available the driver for HP-Deskjet 710c printer in CUPS? now only is the 712c |
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| 18:50.26 | Strider22 | KRF: owner:rwx group:rx world:rx |
| 18:50.37 | Strider22 | I don't use numbers |
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| 18:50.59 | KRF | okay. weird. thought its 700 rwx------ per default |
| 18:51.07 | pickcoder | KFR: it should be 755 |
| 18:51.16 | KRF | okay, thank you |
| 18:51.45 | sandman | cahoot: My Xorg.0.log is mostly filled with these: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (Connection refused) |
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| 18:52.40 | sandman | cahoot: I also got some of these: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (Connection refused) |
| 18:52.40 | cahoot | sandman: that's solved by restarting acpid - but no real help for your question |
| 18:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a command line utility to turn daemons on/off at boot? |
| 18:52.49 | sandman | Err, crud. Wrong paste there, sorry |
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| 18:53.09 | abrotman | KRF: it could be 700 if you prefer i suppose |
| 18:53.14 | sandman | cahoot: (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 18:53.45 | pickcoder | jhutchins_lt: update-rc.d should already be installed. if you want a "menu" editor to enable/disable run-levels for an init script then look at sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:54.08 | cahoot | sandman: xrandr -q doesn't list 57Hz as an option? |
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| 18:54.52 | sandman | cahoot: It lists both 56 and 57 |
| 18:54.54 | pickcoder | abrotman: dealt with openvpn much? |
| 18:54.58 | sandman | cahoot: And it seems to default to 56 always |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | pickcoder: i saw your question .. i don't see why not as long as the vpn allows that kind of traffic to pass |
| 18:55.42 | pickcoder | if it was that simple I'd not be asking in here of all places |
| 18:55.47 | pickcoder | ##openvpn is dead |
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| 18:56.09 | pickcoder | I even setup broadcasting on the vpn subnet |
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| 18:56.15 | pickcoder | curses windoze |
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| 18:56.49 | pickcoder | bridging the TUN and LAN on the desktop doesn't work either |
| 18:56.55 | _moro_bana_ | will i need to install dependencies for a source package? |
| 18:57.00 | pickcoder | well it "works" just not for NetBIOS |
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| 18:57.48 | _moro_bana_ | i mean if I install from source |
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| 18:58.10 | Zapelius | hi, I would need a specific old version of openssh-client|server for lenny. Is thera an archive somewhere? |
| 18:58.14 | Zapelius | the version I need is 1:4.3p2-9 |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | Zapelius: you shold use the one that's in the archives |
| 18:58.23 | Zapelius | yep, the vulnerable one |
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| 18:58.39 | pickcoder | is there any commercial support for hylafax and hardware on Debian? iFax only offers RHES and CentOS. |
| 18:59.26 | Strav | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.26 | Strav | get antialias on italic or bold fonts. (seems to be the same problem |
| 18:59.26 | Strav | as stated here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/XftGnuEmacs#toc23) |
| 18:59.26 | Strav | However, I do not have this bug on ubuntu and it dosen't seems to be a |
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| 18:59.42 | Zapelius | I have an old production system that usually isn't networked, and now I need it to do some ssh'ing to the cruel world |
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| 19:00.48 | Zapelius | the problem is, upgrading ssh confilicts with come very old custom libs and I can't do that. or.. I would like to try but then i need a backup that I don't have *now*. that's why I need the specific version |
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| 19:02.44 | abrotman | !tell Zapelius about sdn |
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| 19:03.52 | Zapelius | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:03.57 | ComradeHaz | May I be excused for asking a trivial questionabout an entirely unrelated system given no other reason than this is a channel full of people that jopefully know a bit about computers! |
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| 19:04.17 | simeon | evening all |
| 19:04.24 | ComradeHaz | here it comes: Does anyone know if a mac replies to pings by default?! |
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| 19:04.35 | abrotman | like .. macosx ? |
| 19:04.40 | simeon | I'm trying to reboot a machine remotely that has deadlocked processes because of a broken SAN volume |
| 19:04.41 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 19:04.45 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: ask #macosx |
| 19:04.48 | simeon | shutdown deadlocked |
| 19:04.48 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 19:04.53 | ComradeHaz | does it exist |
| 19:04.55 | newb | hi can any one tell me how i can change the startup screen on debian? i want to put in my own picture there. |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | go look |
| 19:05.07 | Kohlrabi | ComradeHaz: ping it . |
| 19:05.08 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 19:05.10 | abrotman | newb: the grub one? look at the docs |
| 19:05.22 | ComradeHaz | cheers abrot man |
| 19:05.32 | newb | abrotman: no the boot up screen |
| 19:05.59 | dvs | newb: to me, the grub screen is the bootup screen. |
| 19:06.10 | dvs | newb: what are you referring to? |
| 19:06.24 | JPT | looks like he wants to refer to the bootsplash |
| 19:06.25 | simeon | reboot -n -f didn't work either |
| 19:06.36 | newb | dvs: after i press enter in grub the next screen that loads up.. sometimes with lot of messages other times with a nice image |
| 19:07.03 | petemc | ComradeHaz: it does |
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| 19:07.21 | dvs | newb: oh the kernel boot up screen. No idea. I like reading the messages. |
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| 19:07.57 | simeon | any ideas? |
| 19:08.40 | newb | dvs: hmmm :| |
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| 19:09.40 | sandman | Okay, that's very weird. |
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| 19:10.21 | sandman | I added Modeline "640x480" 22.66 640 656 720 800 480 481 484 497 -HSync +Vsync to my xorg.conf, which is at 57 Hz Vertical Sync, of course. |
| 19:10.39 | caimlas | of course. |
| 19:10.43 | sandman | Except that when I change resolutions under Metacity, the Screen Resolution changer interface still says it's 56 Hz |
| 19:10.57 | sandman | But, it is, in fact, 57 Hz. I know this, because it works now. |
| 19:11.17 | ComradeHaz | cheers petem c |
| 19:11.17 | caimlas | sandman, maybe it's 56.45hz or such? |
| 19:11.24 | sandman | I wonder where Metacity is getting these numbers? |
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| 19:11.39 | Eulex | sandman, xrandr. |
| 19:11.50 | sandman | caimlas: I dunno. I used gtf 640 480 57 >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:12.12 | caimlas | heh I'm NOT keen on hand editing of xorg.conf any longer |
| 19:12.26 | sandman | Alright. And as it turns out, xrandr says that it's 56 Hz |
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| 19:12.42 | sandman | xorg.conf says that it is 57 Hz, Metacity says that it is 56 Hz |
| 19:12.49 | sandman | And gtf says that it is 57 Hz |
| 19:12.56 | sandman | This all makes just perfect sense. |
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| 19:14.15 | Beket | Hi everyone! Does anyone run debian in eee pc 901 ? |
| 19:14.16 | Zapelius | abrotman, I got what I needed, thanks again :) |
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| 19:14.27 | caimlas | sandman, never argue with something so internally inconsistent. :P |
| 19:14.53 | Krooks | Whats a good app to crop a picture ? |
| 19:14.57 | caimlas | Beket, not I. but, what's your question? |
| 19:15.05 | blubberdiblub | sandman: it may be because if you round a value like 56.999 down, you get 56, but if you round it up, you get 57. make the programs report more decimals ;) |
| 19:15.28 | sandman | blubberdiblub: I guess. |
| 19:15.30 | Beket | caimlas, I just wanted a couple of opinions on how good debian runs in 901. |
| 19:15.35 | Beket | well* |
| 19:15.44 | caimlas | blubberdiblub, you'd -think- it'd do proper mathematical rounding. (ie 0 decimal places, it'd use that 9 to round up, period) |
| 19:16.05 | b0rsuk | Hey, I'm (newbie) trying to set up a crontab file to run a certain command as root (shut down the computer if it detects a screensaver at midnight). I know the crontab syntax and the bash script is ready. Now how do I make it run as root (using crontab command, not editing the file manually) ? And where should I put the file (style)? |
| 19:16.28 | blubberdiblub | caimlas, in the computer world, you don't always have that kind of rounding |
| 19:16.28 | caimlas | Beket, well... heh. roughly as well as ubuntu would, but with more irritation in getting things looking pretty/working right. |
| 19:16.31 | zinx | caimlas: it likely [incorrectly] uses C integer math for the calculation, which always rounds down |
| 19:16.40 | caimlas | Beket, have you tried the uh, ubuntu embedded distro? |
| 19:16.53 | caimlas | zinx, huh. |
| 19:16.57 | Beket | caimlas, no, i'll google it, thanks |
| 19:17.27 | KRF | b0rsuk, su, crontab -e? and put the file in ~root/bin/ ;) |
| 19:17.40 | caimlas | Beket, not 100% sure htat's the name for it |
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| 19:18.40 | caimlas | Beket, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile |
| 19:18.58 | b0rsuk | KRF: 1) will it erase my current crontab file ? Or does it allow adding new lines ? 2) What if I use sudo (on debian) and can't su ? |
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| 19:19.04 | caimlas | Beket, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+mobile+eee+901&btnG=Search |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | !tell Beket about eeepc |
| 19:19.41 | KRF | b0rsuk, 1) no, 2) for sudo you'll have to be in a special group (sudoers?) |
| 19:19.59 | caimlas | Beket, do the Eees have touchscreens? |
| 19:20.09 | caimlas | !tell caimlas about eeepc |
| 19:20.11 | Beket | caimlas, not by default AFAIK |
| 19:20.19 | zinx | caimlas: not standard, but there are HOWTOs on adding one |
| 19:20.53 | caimlas | zinx, ok I think that may have been what I saw. |
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| 19:21.16 | caimlas | those ultra-mobiles really need all-day batteries... |
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| 19:22.33 | b0rsuk | KRF: Thank you. |
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| 19:24.15 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: get one of those and hack linux onto it: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665562069 (runtime: 2 days straight) |
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| 19:27.48 | caimlas | pumpkin0, they run linux already, fwiw. |
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| 19:28.01 | caimlas | pumpkin0, they're based on the gumstix |
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| 19:28.34 | caimlas | (or at least the dev kits for the E-ink reader are based on gumstix) |
| 19:28.46 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: but they are locked down, so installing other stuff is complex. But hey, you asked for all-day ultra-mobile... |
| 19:29.09 | caimlas | pumpkin0, and yes, I'd love to get one of those and hack it. though I'd be more likely to hack an actual keyboard onto it. THAT would be awesome... |
| 19:29.14 | caimlas | purserj, heh |
| 19:29.18 | caimlas | pumpkin0, rather |
| 19:29.24 | caimlas | pumpkin0, yeah, I've thought about it. |
| 19:29.45 | caimlas | that'd actually be pretty close to ideal for my purposes |
| 19:30.01 | sping | What was that other debian IRC server again? I'm looking for schizo (Clint Adams). |
| 19:30.09 | caimlas | pumpkin0, there's also the amazon kindle, of course... |
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| 19:30.24 | abrotman | sping: oftc |
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| 19:30.34 | dvs | spirg: irc.debian.org |
| 19:30.48 | dvs | That forwards to OFTC right? |
| 19:30.58 | wols_ | yes |
| 19:31.10 | sping | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 19:31.17 | dvs | *grumble* |
| 19:31.26 | caimlas | pumpkin0, think I don't understand is why its able to stay 'locked down' given that it runs linux... |
| 19:31.41 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: yes, but none of them has bluetooth/USB-Host to connect a keyboard. |
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| 19:32.14 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: well, you have to provide stuff under GPL, but no-one can force you to make it modifiable. |
| 19:32.18 | caimlas | pumpkin0, hm don't they have a pin-out for a keyboard? just crude IO... |
| 19:32.39 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: why should they? It's all about saving power. |
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| 19:33.09 | arrenlex | Why doesn't openjdk use the gtk look&feel for Swing by default? |
| 19:33.42 | caimlas | pumpkin0, idk.... |
| 19:33.54 | caimlas | pumpkin0, ANYWAY... |
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| 19:34.52 | bunnyto | hi |
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| 19:53.11 | dvs | !apt-get moo |
| 19:53.11 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 19:53.31 | Eulex | !apt-build moo |
| 19:53.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-build moo is ..."Have you danced today? Discow!"... |
| 19:53.45 | Kovensky | !aptitude moo |
| 19:53.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude moo is a hidden thingy... |
| 19:53.48 | dvs | Don't tell me it's "aptitude moo" now. |
| 19:54.05 | Kovensky | dvs: ok, I won't tell you |
| 19:54.14 | dvs | -_- |
| 19:54.20 | skyjumper | is there any way for a user group change to take effect without logging out/in? |
| 19:54.47 | Eulex | skyjumper, login again, without logging out your old login ^^ |
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| 19:55.21 | skyjumper | didn't work for a screen session that was opened before the changes |
| 19:56.00 | Kovensky | skyjumper: screen is stubborn |
| 19:56.07 | Kovensky | use 'screen -l' |
| 19:56.18 | ``y7 | in debian, if you have multiple programs that serve the same purpose running, will they interfere like on windows or will one dominate the others? IE: if i have 5 diff firewall programs installed... |
| 19:56.39 | teratoma | dominating sounds scary |
| 19:56.48 | dvs | ``y7: You're paranoid about security! |
| 19:56.51 | skyjumper | nope |
| 19:57.04 | skyjumper | well, re-attaching the screen with -l didn't do it |
| 19:57.04 | ``y7 | dvs, no, i'm just trying to find a firewall that i can learn how to configure |
| 19:57.10 | teratoma | i would address you directory if your irc nick wasnt so annoying |
| 19:57.17 | teratoma | ^^directly |
| 19:57.23 | dvs | ``y7: I just use ipmasq but that's just me. |
| 19:57.24 | ``y7 | sorry teratoma |
| 19:57.24 | toor | ``y7: read about iptables :) |
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| 19:57.41 | toor | man iptables; google |
| 19:57.44 | teratoma | if you're running a service on the same port... and you try to another service that listens on the same port, the 2nd service will refuse to start |
| 19:57.46 | ``y7 | toor, i've tried, i've moved on to firestarter or webmin |
| 19:58.02 | toor | ok =) |
| 19:58.21 | toor | just frontends for iptables =) |
| 19:58.24 | ``y7 | i need a gui interface, i'm hopeless without one :( |
| 19:58.51 | toor | in the past I was hopeless too without a gui =) |
| 19:59.01 | ``y7 | how'd you overcome it? |
| 19:59.04 | toor | but with the time, you'll learn about |
| 19:59.10 | toor | read about :) |
| 19:59.12 | toor | google :) |
| 19:59.16 | ``y7 | it's been 10 years, i haven't progessed any :| |
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| 19:59.22 | toor | w00t |
| 19:59.32 | ``y7 | w00t? |
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| 19:59.56 | toor | search a manual in google in your language :) |
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| 20:00.13 | ``y7 | for what? for w00t? |
| 20:00.35 | Makazei | Anyone familiar with sed? I have a router that displays a comma separated set of IP numbers: DNS1,DNS2 - and I'm trying to separate them with sed to assign each to a variable. I use arno-iptables-firewall |
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| 20:01.36 | cads | I only know that sed is made exactly for that kind of thing |
| 20:01.52 | betz | Hey. Can anyone tell me where i find the application or repositories manager? |
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| 20:02.03 | arrenlex | Makazei: Why sed? cut -d "," -f <position you want> |
| 20:02.19 | pumpkin0 | Makazei: sed 's/,/ /' ? |
| 20:02.31 | wols_ | !tell betz about aptitude |
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| 20:02.43 | arrenlex | Makazei: Or even better, use perl. Then you can do my @DNS = split /,/ $string and have them all there |
| 20:02.54 | ``y7 | how do i uninstall a program? apt-get uninstall program? |
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| 20:03.04 | Makazei | cut is fine if the column numbers don't vary. I'm looking for something a little more intelligent. |
| 20:03.40 | arrenlex | Makazei: What do you mean by "column number" and how do they vary? |
| 20:04.02 | bunnyto | hio again |
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| 20:04.48 | Makazei | cut -c 12- will cut out something from the 12th character onwards, but what if the ip number changes in length and messes the width up? |
| 20:05.34 | clocksys | is these decent glxgears results for a newer laptop ati radeon 4957 frames in 5.0 seconds = 991.356 FPS ? |
| 20:05.36 | javanero | My favorite is a plain bean burrito, no cheese, flour tortilla, guac and either pico or salsa. No rosa or verde. That is for other things like tamales. |
| 20:05.50 | javanero | oh crap. sorry. wrong tab |
| 20:05.57 | javanero | :-( |
| 20:06.12 | Makazei | I suppose I could translate the comma to a space, and save it to a file and for i in list..nah, that's sloppy. |
| 20:06.44 | Makazei | Feh. I'll figger it out. |
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| 20:08.08 | pumpkin0 | Makazei: th cut -d from arrenlex solves your problems nicely... |
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| 20:08.45 | arrenlex | Makazei: That's not how cut works. |
| 20:08.51 | javanero | bbl |
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| 20:08.59 | arrenlex | Makazei: Cut will split it according to the delimiter specified by the -d switch. |
| 20:09.07 | cmanns | What command can I run to find LARGEST files on a system? |
| 20:09.51 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: "du / | sort -n" ? |
| 20:09.51 | arrenlex | Makazei: And then the -f field specifies which column to return. So cutting a,b by delimiter "," and returning field 2 gives you b. Also cutting aaaa,bbbbb by , and returning field 2 gives you bbbbbb. Length doesn't matter. |
| 20:09.51 | Makazei | okay. Guess I don't know what the -d parameter was really for. Thank you. |
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| 20:09.52 | cmanns | I turned a old webserver into our db server, databses are on a 10k rpm drive thats 10% full, but the main disk fills every few days, its 80gb all thats ran is mysql logging, theres I rm anything I can but I cant find stuff anymore |
| 20:09.57 | cmanns | pumpkin0, ill try that :] |
| 20:10.28 | Makazei | chokes on his coffee. |
| 20:10.36 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: the du-part need another parameter, but i can't remember which one ... |
| 20:11.06 | cmanns | I dunno what to run :P I just go in each dir in the /home and look for stuff, its a rather large hdd I'm very confused why it keeps filling |
| 20:11.12 | cmanns | can't be the logs I think they delete every so often |
| 20:11.35 | JPT | du -sh * |
| 20:11.36 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: "du -hs /" will narrow it down. |
| 20:11.47 | Delfyn | just installed samba from testing, and immediately after this "pdbedit -L" lists *all* users have been copied from /etc/passwd into the smb passwd ... i mean including root, www-data, sys, man, etc. Is this *really* how it should be? I checked samba's post install script and there seems to be no filtering out of low UIDs. I'm unsure whether to file this as a bug. Anyone any ideas? |
| 20:12.03 | cmanns | Do you know how to make ls display size in m or gbyte? |
| 20:12.09 | cmanns | I did read man couldnt ever figure it out :P |
| 20:12.27 | Delfyn | cmanns: ls -lh |
| 20:12.27 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: "ls -h" |
| 20:12.34 | Delfyn | :-) |
| 20:12.47 | cmanns | Ah |
| 20:12.51 | cmanns | I normally used ls -n |
| 20:13.01 | Wyzard | hmm... trying to install lenny from either the beta2 installer businesscard or the daily snapshot businesscard, I get an error saying the downloaded Packages.gz file is corrupt |
| 20:13.02 | cmanns | makes the sizes hard to read, looks like mysql isnt deleting the logs :D |
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| 20:14.03 | Delfyn | wyzard: can you 'gunzip -t' it? |
| 20:14.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: and by hand? |
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| 20:14.31 | cmanns | pumpkin0, just returned 139G / |
| 20:14.54 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: du -hs / ? |
| 20:15.33 | Wyzard | looks OK if I inspect it by hand |
| 20:15.38 | Wyzard | I'm guessing it's a GPG signature mismatch |
| 20:16.08 | Wyzard | Maybe I should try a different mirror |
| 20:16.15 | cmanns | o god |
| 20:16.21 | cmanns | its crashing :< |
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| 20:17.32 | BlueChip | I notice Debian has no 'gettext-dev" package ...is it known by another name? |
| 20:17.51 | Sero | Hi! I have severe problems installing debian on a Dell Optiplex SX270. The Debian CD boots, and I select the languages, but then it fails loading the CD rom drivers. I'm using debian 4.0 net install CD... |
| 20:18.55 | cmanns | pumpkin0, 131G / |
| 20:19.05 | cmanns | I deleted 8gb of stuff it looks like :D |
| 20:19.06 | Delfyn | Sero: what kernel version is in it? |
| 20:19.22 | Sero | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:19.43 | Wyzard | yep, using a different mirror fixed it |
| 20:19.52 | pumpkin0 | cmanns: du -hs /* ? |
| 20:19.58 | CompWizrd | cmanns: du --max-depth=2 / |
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| 20:21.35 | cmanns | CompWizrd, was more looking for something that'd show me the X larges files |
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| 20:21.42 | cmanns | Theres something taking up tons o space |
| 20:21.44 | CompWizrd | well, that'll help you find where they are |
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| 20:22.00 | CompWizrd | whatever directory is huge, change into it, run it again.. till you find exactly what directory is so huge |
| 20:22.02 | cmanns | yeah as I can see, so thank you :) |
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| 20:22.13 | CompWizrd | and then hunt down the large file in that directory |
| 20:22.18 | sandman | I'm trying to decide which might perform better... TI OMAP 2420 or an AMD Geode/Intel Atom |
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| 20:22.22 | Sero | (Last time my disks filled up it was MySQL's bin-logs...) |
| 20:22.23 | cmanns | thanks A LOT!, and you too pump, oh he left :( |
| 20:22.30 | sandman | Generally speaking. Anyone know where to get data for this? |
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| 20:22.35 | cyorxamp | Hey, when I first installed Lenny... the network manager icon said I was connected... one day I had to go on static IP mode - later I went back to dhcp... and ever since it claims I've no network connection, when in fact I do have... any fix for this? |
| 20:23.04 | cmanns | Sero, I'm running innodb logging on this drive, theyre using like 8gb, I stopped mysqld and moved the files and restarted it and all the sites using innodb are getting mysql errors so im unsure how to remove them haha |
| 20:23.11 | cmanns | theres some from 9-2-08 |
| 20:23.29 | hatter | what do we call it when we have a domain name, and the spammers send constant email to random names for hours at that domain name |
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| 20:23.55 | mr_daniel | how can I see which files are installed when I install a package with apt-get? |
| 20:24.03 | Sero | delfyn: any clues? |
| 20:24.19 | mr_daniel | with ipkg I can do this with 'ipkg info <package>' |
| 20:24.28 | mr_daniel | but I dont know how to do it with apt |
| 20:24.33 | wols_ | mr_daniel: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 20:24.58 | Makazei | Thanks guys! `cut -d "," -f <fieldnum>` is werkin flawlessly. Machos Gratis. |
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| 20:25.21 | hatter | wols_, do you have a name for it ? |
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| 20:25.46 | mr_daniel | ok, and now I just need a command which downloads a package from the repository WITHOUT installing it |
| 20:25.52 | mr_daniel | how I do that? |
| 20:25.58 | avu | aptitude download foo |
| 20:26.00 | wols_ | hatter: yes. this is not debian related |
| 20:26.27 | hatter | wols_, is there a way in debian that i can avoid it ? |
| 20:26.39 | hatter | with exim4, unroutable addresses |
| 20:27.10 | mr_daniel | thx wols_ and avtobiff |
| 20:27.14 | mr_daniel | I mean avu |
| 20:27.26 | wols_ | hatter: non existent recipient addresses are not accepted. so nothing is sent |
| 20:27.48 | deryl | the man page for apt-listbugs shows a -R option but does not explain what that option is, and attempting to run apt-listbugs -R says its an invalid command |
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| 20:28.25 | hatter | wols_, so it just fills up the log and uses some bandwith all day and we dont do anything else ? |
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| 20:29.07 | deryl | would it be something worthwhile to file a bug for against that package? |
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| 20:29.27 | petemc | hatter: the only thing you can do is try to reject it as early as possible in the smtp transaction |
| 20:29.36 | dondelelcaro | deryl: if it's not already filed, yes. |
| 20:29.40 | wols_ | hatter: block his IP |
| 20:29.46 | deryl | dondelelcaro - ok. |
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| 20:30.03 | wols_ | petemc: and that's already done |
| 20:30.04 | dondelelcaro | deryl: but it's at most severity minor |
| 20:30.12 | petemc | wols_: no it isnt |
| 20:30.29 | deryl | dondelelcaro - gotcha |
| 20:30.30 | dondelelcaro | deryl: bonus if you figure out whether that option should be valid and supply a patch. |
| 20:30.35 | hatter | wols_, is there a program to automatically block the ip ? |
| 20:30.35 | wols_ | petemc: how not? |
| 20:30.53 | petemc | wols_: if you can identify a pattern, you can reject at helo |
| 20:31.07 | wols_ | petemc: you can reject via netfilter then |
| 20:31.23 | petemc | whats that got to do with anything? |
| 20:31.42 | wols_ | netfilter > helo in this case |
| 20:32.01 | petemc | im talking about rejecting people that helo with an ip address or something similar |
| 20:32.32 | deryl | dondelelcaro - apt-listbugs -s all list apt-listbugs doesnt show anything filed against the package for that |
| 20:32.37 | hatter | and what is this time of spamming called ? |
| 20:32.42 | dondelelcaro | deryl: yeah; so file it |
| 20:32.54 | dondelelcaro | hatter: idiot spammers. |
| 20:32.56 | petemc | hatter: spam |
| 20:33.08 | deryl | ok. where on the d.o site is the directions for how to properly file a bug report? |
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| 20:33.18 | dondelelcaro | deryl: bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:33.32 | deryl | thanks |
| 20:33.33 | dondelelcaro | deryl: but the short answer is to install reportbug, and run it. |
| 20:33.43 | deryl | yeah I have that installed. using it now. |
| 20:34.14 | hatter | dondelelcaro, yeah. i still get spam to a few email addresses that stopped being used over ten years ago, in between random word spam all day long |
| 20:34.20 | petemc | hatter: if you're getting spam that was sent to someone else with an address at your domain as the reply address, thats called backscatter |
| 20:35.07 | hatter | petemc, yeah i know backscatter, good point, it may be backscatter |
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| 20:36.06 | CompWizrd | you can easily tell postfix to not accept anyone that doesn't ehlo/helo with a FQDN |
| 20:36.32 | hatter | is there a pgm that looks at the ip of an unroutable address in exim4 then adds it to an iptables reject list ? |
| 20:36.41 | petemc | filtering incoming mail is an area that exim trumps postfix |
| 20:37.11 | dalias | compwizrd, you could use a proxy smtp server to do it i suppose, if postfix doesn't |
| 20:37.23 | petemc | not to be incendiary.. |
| 20:37.30 | CompWizrd | between filtering bad fqdn's out, and using postgrey, that nails a good chunk of spam |
| 20:37.34 | BlueChip | does gettext-dev exist for debian? |
| 20:37.36 | dalias | btw you should not only require FQDN |
| 20:37.43 | dalias | but also require that the FQDN be _correct_ |
| 20:38.01 | petemc | except if you need to accept mail from people who dont run mailservers properly |
| 20:38.22 | dalias | rejecting forged EHLO blocks tons of spam |
| 20:38.40 | CompWizrd | yeah, most dialups don't bother with proper ehlo's |
| 20:38.41 | dalias | well the senders can fix their mailservers.. |
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| 20:38.58 | petemc | try telling that to someone waiting for an important email |
| 20:38.58 | dalias | there's nothing _unfair_ about blocking that |
| 20:38.59 | CompWizrd | i went from 30,000 spams a day caught by spamassassin to about 100, when we put postgrey in, too |
| 20:39.06 | CompWizrd | even with postgrey set to only one minute |
| 20:39.07 | petemc | yes, you're right, bit in the real world... |
| 20:39.09 | dalias | greylist is HUGE |
| 20:39.16 | wols_ | CompWizrd: dialups can't send mail anyways nowadays. smarthosts or nothing for them |
| 20:39.23 | dalias | that and blocking forged EHLO are the two biggest anti-spam successes i've ever had |
| 20:39.27 | CompWizrd | and you can whitelist really broken ones in postgrey |
| 20:39.53 | petemc | rbls are my most effective measure, by a large margin |
| 20:39.58 | CompWizrd | wols_: but it's less expensive to drop them at the ehlo, than in a DUBL |
| 20:40.00 | dalias | wols_, sure they can. nobody except idiots using dul and crap as hard rejection |
| 20:40.07 | dalias | at worst they just assign points from it |
| 20:40.33 | wols_ | dalias: you cannot if you want to get your mail received. malware destroyed that very effectively |
| 20:40.37 | dalias | i don't trust rbls |
| 20:40.46 | dalias | the people who run them are mostly extortionists |
| 20:41.01 | petemc | hardly |
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| 20:41.30 | dalias | once your host gets listed (usually wrongly) it's almost impossible to get it removed |
| 20:41.55 | dalias | once my host, static ip and legit hosting for a server, got listed on DUL by those buffoons |
| 20:42.01 | dalias | and it was hard as hell to get it delisted |
| 20:42.19 | simonrvn | i got wrongly included once, but i fixed it and told my isp about it, they got it removed |
| 20:42.23 | petemc | there are many rbls, of varying quality |
| 20:42.29 | dalias | if i'd gotten wrongly listed as a "spammer" instead of merely as "dialup", i would have had to pay them major $$$ to get delisted |
| 20:42.51 | dalias | and if they can get one list wrong, i'm sure they can get the other wrong |
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| 20:43.13 | dalias | i will not trust anyone who claims to be an authority on which hosts are spammers or spam-friendly because there's too much motive for corruption |
| 20:43.19 | simonrvn | i missed one little thing... fixed the config. they had sent a bot to test various MXen |
| 20:43.24 | dalias | (buying and selling "spam" or "spam-free" status) |
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| 20:43.40 | dalias | it's much better to judge spammers by behavior and content |
| 20:43.49 | dalias | instead of relying on a corrupt authority |
| 20:44.00 | petemc | dalias: its not fair to take one bad experience you had an apply that to everyone |
| 20:44.11 | petemc | spamhaus are reputable |
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| 20:44.36 | dalias | sorbs is not |
| 20:44.39 | simonrvn | they are |
| 20:44.50 | dalias | sorbs = crooks |
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| 20:45.02 | simonrvn | spamhaus. sorbs is ok, though they have hair triggers |
| 20:45.28 | dalias | sorbs has even been known to blacklist people for posting negative reports about sorbs to mailing lists... |
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| 20:46.04 | simonrvn | orly |
| 20:46.28 | wols_ | wonders what all this ranting has to do with debian? |
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| 20:47.57 | steve_j | hi all. i've just logged in to a new debian box to set things up -- but how can i check whic version of debian i have? |
| 20:48.07 | wols_ | !version |
| 20:48.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 20:48.57 | steve_j | cheers! |
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| 20:50.09 | dalias | wols_, good point :) |
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| 20:50.38 | Makazei | Anyone know where in the config scripts? I'm supposed to xfer info from my router into the rout/ifconfig settings? |
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| 20:51.25 | wols_ | Makazei: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:51.38 | wols_ | Makazei: you need to be more clear what you want to do |
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| 20:51.56 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 20:51.57 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 20:52.59 | Makazei | wols_: I want my network to use the correct info from my router's status page so the network works right. |
| 20:53.42 | Makazei | wols_: Debian can't see that my routeris there. |
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| 20:54.28 | steve_j | !version |
| 20:54.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 20:54.29 | sameer | hey guys, i have a lenovo thinkvision monitor which is run as a usb audio device. but it invariably stops producing sound. cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp yields: Device or resource busy. Any ideas? |
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| 20:55.17 | genius | how to make autologin so i will have command line w/o user/password asking? |
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| 20:55.31 | simonrvn | steve_j: /msg the bot |
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| 20:56.17 | Makazei | Thanks all. |
| 20:57.10 | simonrvn | genius: not a good idea |
| 20:57.22 | pipeline | genius: change the /etc/inittab arguments to getty |
| 20:57.41 | genius | it's strange, but i can't find inittab :) |
| 20:58.08 | genius | i've created LiveCD with remastersys and want to disable that bad future. |
| 20:58.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:58.25 | pipeline | genius: each tty has a line in inittab. |
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| 21:00.14 | Wyzard | wishes a fresh installation of Debian would have a reasonable set of "auto" flags in Debian for the packages installed out-of-the-box |
| 21:00.29 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: as in what? |
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| 21:01.31 | Wyzard | things like libraries and -data and -common packages being flagged as auto, so they don't stick around if the things that depend on them are removed |
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| 21:02.09 | badcfe | aha. i simply read about how branching works in svn and that we just svn copy a directory to implement a branching. |
| 21:02.17 | badcfe | so its not about extra dimentions to svn itself. nice! |
| 21:02.17 | Arie001 | hi, i want to make a dail-in internet connection on my laptop.. any advice how to do that? |
| 21:02.37 | Wyzard | In a fresh install of lenny (using the beta2 installer), very few packages have auto flags |
| 21:02.52 | Arie001 | using gms |
| 21:03.45 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't; the main thing was that I will probably need to tweak the figures slightly |
| 21:03.48 | dondelelcaro | err, echan. |
| 21:03.58 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: uh... they aren't if you use aptitude |
| 21:04.17 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: aren't what? |
| 21:04.47 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: but if you mean on the initial install, the packages that aren't installed using aptitude and tasks (basically those required for cdebootstrap) that'd be a reasonable request. |
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| 21:05.06 | Wyzard | I mean the things that are installed by default, e.g. the base system and standard set of packages |
| 21:05.34 | Wyzard | Things like vim-common (dependency of vim-tiny), gcc-4.3-base, console-common, and most of the library packages should have auto flags |
| 21:05.43 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: things that are installed by the standard set after debootstrap should be marked as automatically installed |
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| 21:06.03 | steve_j | hmm. this mod_wsgi wants to install python 2.4, when i already have 2.5 |
| 21:06.20 | Makazei | Wyzard: man tasksel? |
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| 21:06.49 | Wyzard | Makazei: I didn't use tasksel (deselected all the tasks during installation) |
| 21:06.56 | arrenlex | On a few websites, Firefox fonts look like utter and total crap -- http://arrenlex.aa.am/screenshots/16258.png -- can anyone suggest how to fix this? |
| 21:07.26 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: There are a few packages with auto flags, so those might be things installed after debootstrap |
| 21:07.33 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: right |
| 21:07.40 | arrenlex | By Firefox I mean Iceweasel, of course. |
| 21:07.59 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: but if debootstrap installs so many things, the apt metadata ought to be primed with auto flags for those packages too |
| 21:08.37 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that might be a reasonable wishlist; though most of what debootstrap installs is things that are essential: yes or dependencies thereof |
| 21:08.39 | dudeman | arrenlex, first try your kde/gnome font settings if you use that. otherwise dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and enable hinting maybe |
| 21:09.21 | Wyzard | My fresh install contains 47 library packages, only three of which have auto flags |
| 21:09.35 | Wyzard | *all* of them ought to have auto flags except locales |
| 21:09.57 | arrenlex | dudeman: Firefox is the only program I've seen that have bad fonts on it. Everything else looks perfect. I use KDE. |
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| 21:10.46 | dudeman | arrenlex, looks like a gtkrc something font anti alias issue |
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| 21:10.57 | DimmuR | is there simple debian-way to update linux kernel without rebooting? |
| 21:10.57 | dudeman | I'm not sure as am not upto speed on gtk font stuff |
| 21:11.10 | dudeman | arrenlex, just some else should be able to help you |
| 21:11.19 | Makazei | Wyzard: Do you want to run 'tasksel --new-install' to have things like vim and other extra stuff installed? |
| 21:11.24 | deryl | dondelelcaro - done :) #502803 |
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| 21:12.00 | Wyzard | Makazei: no, I use aptitude to install the things I want (and to remove tasksel) |
| 21:12.05 | dudeman | Makazei, afaik, its the 'standard system' task |
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| 21:12.31 | steve_j | hi there |
| 21:12.37 | steve_j | someone else has installed nginx on this debian box |
| 21:12.42 | Wyzard | When tasksel runs during installation, it has the "standard system" and "desktop system" tasks selected by default... I unselect those, so no tasks are installed |
| 21:12.50 | steve_j | now i keep getting the same error following apt-get installs |
| 21:12.54 | steve_j | "Starting nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "start" failed." |
| 21:12.55 | dudeman | Wyzard, I do too |
| 21:13.02 | steve_j | status 1 |
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| 21:13.07 | steve_j | any idea what' sup |
| 21:13.11 | jelly-home | steve_j: is it already running? |
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| 21:13.18 | steve_j | yes |
| 21:13.20 | Faccu | dwd |
| 21:13.25 | steve_j | jelly-home yep |
| 21:13.37 | jelly-home | steve_j: so, stop it first? |
| 21:13.43 | Faccu | hola |
| 21:13.44 | steve_j | jelly-home i'm installing other things (eg emacs (!) and mod_wsgi) |
| 21:13.47 | Wyzard | then I run aptitude, mark *everything* auto, and then tell it to keep just the packages I actually want |
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| 21:13.53 | steve_j | you're kidding... |
| 21:13.54 | Wyzard | so cruft I don't need gets removed |
| 21:13.56 | steve_j | facepalm |
| 21:14.19 | sameer | any sound gurus in the house? i lose my sound regularly, i think because modules are loaded in the wrong order... |
| 21:14.22 | steve_j | tho it seems odd i have to stop nginx to nsinstall stuff |
| 21:14.26 | Faccu | agarrame esta |
| 21:14.36 | jelly-home | steve_j: some init scripts / installation scripts are buggy that way |
| 21:14.38 | dudeman | Faccu, #debian-es |
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| 21:14.54 | steve_j | :) |
| 21:15.16 | dudeman | sameer, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 21:15.22 | jelly-home | steve_j: shouldn't happen if you're running stable |
| 21:16.07 | dudeman | pokes jelly-home |
| 21:16.28 | genius | i've found that my bootable LiveCD somewhere in boot process change the /etc/inittab how to find out? |
| 21:16.51 | sameer | dudeman, i'm a bit of a newb, is /msg a command? |
| 21:17.04 | zinx | genius: erh, ask the channel for the bootable LiveCD |
| 21:17.06 | dudeman | sameer, in irc /msg dpkg == /msg the bot |
| 21:17.14 | dudeman | sameer, dpkg is a bot that holds factoids or faq |
| 21:17.22 | genius | they don't have a channel :( |
| 21:17.24 | dudeman | !tell sameer -about alsa checklist |
| 21:17.35 | zinx | genius: ask on their forums or mailing lists |
| 21:17.37 | dudeman | sameer, in the msg window from dpkg |
| 21:17.42 | zinx | genius: we don't know anything about anything but Debian |
| 21:17.45 | genius | i want to ask zinx |
| 21:17.48 | genius | :) |
| 21:18.03 | genius | What is debian? |
| 21:18.12 | dudeman | genius, www.debian.org |
| 21:18.23 | zinx | genius: ok. here's the Debian answer: No, the Debian LiveCD (which is still beta/alpha) does not alter /etc/inittab on boot. |
| 21:18.26 | genius | Debian is a distribution of linux kernel, opensource packages |
| 21:18.32 | steve_j | jelly-home stable nginx or stable debian? |
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| 21:18.40 | dudeman | steve_j, debian |
| 21:18.43 | steve_j | this isn't my box, (am sharing) so didn't install nginx |
| 21:18.44 | dudeman | steve_j, as in Etch. |
| 21:18.48 | steve_j | it's etch 4.0 |
| 21:18.54 | zinx | genius: whether that applies to the LiveCD you're using or not, no one knows. we can only answer questions about Debian here. |
| 21:19.03 | genius | :)) |
| 21:19.17 | genius | Debian on live CD is out of scope :) |
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| 21:19.40 | hatter | how can i run pppoeconf without a modem connected ? |
| 21:21.02 | jelly-home | steve_j: stable debian, right |
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| 21:22.18 | steve_j | jelly-home in that case, summat's up cos nginx grumbles |
| 21:22.39 | jelly-home | steve_j: if aptitude is trying to start a service, its package installation scripts likely didn't finish correctly; dpkg -l nginx libc6|tail -2 ? |
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| 21:22.52 | genius | zinx: thank you anyway :) |
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| 21:23.34 | steve_j | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:23.34 | steve_j | ii nginx 0.4.13-2 small, but very powerful and efficient web s |
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| 21:24.16 | jelly-home | steve_j: looks like it's installed correctly |
| 21:24.26 | sameer | dudeman, thanks, but running alsaconf doesn't seem to give me an option to add myself as a user. is there a specific command for that? |
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| 21:25.01 | jelly-home | steve_j: pastebin the exact command that fails/complains and complete output |
| 21:25.02 | dudeman | sameer, adduser sameer audio |
| 21:25.17 | dudeman | sameer, you'd have to log out all the way and login again after that |
| 21:25.31 | dudeman | sameer, you can just see if you're in that group already |
| 21:25.45 | sameer | dudeman, ok, will do |
| 21:26.32 | sameer | dudeman, yeah, actually i'm already a user |
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| 21:27.11 | sameer | dudeman, now going back to the rest of the instructions, back in a bit... |
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| 21:28.51 | sameer | dudeman, "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:29.03 | dudeman | server crash |
| 21:29.05 | dudeman | I'm on call |
| 21:29.08 | dudeman | I gotta jet... bye bye |
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| 21:31.09 | ``y7 | how do i setup eth0 as my default gateway in debian 4.0 gui? |
| 21:31.32 | ``y7 | i need eth0 to be setup as 192.168.1.1, when i tell it to use DHCP, it sets up as the external ip address... |
| 21:32.03 | dondelelcaro | ``y7: uh... you can only have one default gateway. What is your actual network setup, and what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:32.49 | ``y7 | ok, i have eth0 and eth1. i'm trying to setup eth0 as my default gateway and eth1 is going to go to my switch. from my switch, i will have other computers setup on internal ip addresses. I need eth0 to be 192.168.1.1 |
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| 21:34.40 | unop | ``y7, what is eth0 plugged into? |
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| 21:35.04 | ``y7 | my ISP is plugged into eht0 |
| 21:35.42 | unop | ``y7, well that explains why you get an external address when you set it to DHCP |
| 21:36.03 | ``y7 | but how do i set it up as my default gateway as well? |
| 21:36.14 | ``y7 | or is eth1 supposed to be my default gateway? |
| 21:36.33 | unop | ``y7, well, it should be automatic -- you are allowed to have multiple default gateways |
| 21:37.26 | ``y7 | ok, so i should set eth0 as DHCP and then eht1 as 192.168.1.1 and then have my other computers set to 192.168.1.1 as their default gateway? |
| 21:38.02 | unop | ``y7, that's right - but this PC must have some IP forwarding machanism inplace for it to work as a router |
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| 21:38.16 | ``y7 | i'm trying to use firestarter |
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| 21:38.28 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 21:38.42 | cousin_luigi | how does one install the whole of etchnhalfpackages^ |
| 21:38.43 | cousin_luigi | ? |
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| 21:38.47 | unop | ``y7, i'm not sure how firestarter is used - but as long as you can setup masquerading (via IP Tables) with it, it should be fine |
| 21:38.59 | ``y7 | is that the same as NAT unop? |
| 21:39.06 | unop | ``y7, yes |
| 21:39.09 | ``y7 | ty sir :) |
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| 21:40.43 | abrotman | cousin_luigi: you just install them by hand .. look at the etchnhalf release notes .. and see what you want |
| 21:40.43 | cousin_luigi | k thanks |
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| 21:42.29 | hatter | the driver for this sis900 nic keeps turning itself off every 10 seconds or so, the turns back on, is this a power management thing ? |
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| 21:42.44 | OltreIrc`44850 | SERA |
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| 21:42.47 | OltreIrc`44850 | !LIST |
| 21:42.47 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to oltreirc`44850 |
| 21:42.52 | Spreadsheet | hello |
| 21:42.59 | Spreadsheet | my installl just froze up |
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| 21:43.38 | Spreadsheet | now it is on setting the hardware clock |
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| 21:43.54 | Spreadsheet | what should i do? |
| 21:45.14 | hatter | how do i check power management setting on a nic ? |
| 21:46.10 | Spreadsheet | anyone here? |
| 21:46.29 | hatter | Spreadsheet, do a ram test |
| 21:46.32 | Spreadsheet | how |
| 21:46.36 | hatter | memtest86 |
| 21:46.39 | mns | I've got a really dumb question When sending email to multiple recipients, are the addresses separated by a "," or a ";" ? |
| 21:46.41 | hatter | with a livecd |
| 21:46.48 | Spreadsheet | netinst |
| 21:46.55 | Spreadsheet | gui |
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| 21:47.00 | Spreadsheet | if thats any help |
| 21:47.02 | extor | If I want to jail my apache process, are there any virtual machine or vserver hacks out there that can accomplish this for the linux kernel? How does selinux approach this issue for a web server? |
| 21:48.00 | Spreadsheet | im using lenny |
| 21:48.26 | hatter | Spreadsheet, i would be testing the hardware |
| 21:48.43 | Spreadsheet | hmm how |
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| 21:48.51 | Spreadsheet | i think everythings good |
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| 21:50.17 | Spreadsheet | hatter: how do i test the hardware? |
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| 21:50.58 | Spreadsheet | cries |
| 21:51.02 | hatter | Spreadsheet, get a livecd, like knoppix, or ubcd, and run memtest |
| 21:51.33 | Spreadsheet | so do i just shut it down? |
| 21:51.41 | Spreadsheet | any livecd? i have a suse one |
| 21:52.18 | LadyNikon | usually any livecd has memtest on it |
| 21:52.23 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 21:52.29 | Spreadsheet | now do i shut it down? |
| 21:52.44 | LadyNikon | in order to use the cd you can reboot into it |
| 21:53.02 | jhutchins_ltsp | :v firefox |
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| 21:54.15 | streuner | Spreadsheet: unplug the PSU ;-) |
| 21:54.21 | Spreadsheet | ... |
| 21:54.24 | Spreadsheet | its a laptop |
| 21:54.32 | Spreadsheet | streuner: was that a joke? |
| 21:54.33 | Kovensky | Spreadsheet: hold the power button down for 6 seconds |
| 21:54.36 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 21:54.45 | Spreadsheet | how do irun memtest? |
| 21:54.58 | Kovensky | now that depends on the livecd |
| 21:55.03 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 21:55.22 | pdani | hi |
| 21:55.40 | pdani | i tried to ls my .ssh dir with ls -la *ssh* but it said no such file or directory |
| 21:57.07 | dalias | yes *ssh* does not match .ssh |
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| 21:57.38 | Pinky | .*ssh* would work though :) |
| 21:57.45 | dalias | yep |
| 21:58.00 | unop | pdani, shopt -s dotglob #first if you want that to match |
| 21:58.09 | unop | pdani, on bash i.e. |
| 21:58.24 | pdani | thx very much |
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| 22:00.09 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question. how do i mount. a windows Driver. so i can have access. to it, im actually using this command mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 22:00.11 | TiMiDo | any tips? |
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| 22:00.55 | Spreadsheet | is t/clear |
| 22:01.07 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 22:14.51 | pothibo | Before I ask my question (I know I ask to ask...) is there anyone proficient with DNS and DHCP3 server ? |
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| 22:16.01 | wald0` | what is the better/faster way that i can work from my laptop IN my normal (via wifi) ? like startx on my laptop a environment/user of the main computer |
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| 22:16.33 | pothibo | wald0`: many different ways, you can always use a SSH tunnel connection |
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| 22:17.53 | wald0` | pothibo: i can startx from ssh ? |
| 22:18.04 | pothibo | wald0`: what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:18.42 | OptimismPrime | hey there |
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| 22:19.29 | OptimismPrime | i have a question. i've just installed the stable release via a internet mirror, everything works so far |
| 22:19.51 | OptimismPrime | but i can't seem to figure out how to get adobes proprietary flash installed |
| 22:20.18 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: either you don't install the proper package or you don't have the repo in your sources.list |
| 22:20.21 | adb_ | usind dmm |
| 22:20.28 | OptimismPrime | all the open source mozilla plugin things don't work and youtube allways tells me i've got an outdated flash or disable java |
| 22:20.54 | OptimismPrime | i'm a total linux noob |
| 22:20.58 | pothibo | adb_: whyt would you use anything besides flash? |
| 22:21.31 | adb_ | pothibo: ok nv |
| 22:21.46 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.49 | OptimismPrime | the only distro i got installed on my notebook was debian because it had floppy install, and that thing is old, so no usb- or netboot possible, and the internal cd-rom doesn't read burned cds |
| 22:22.00 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: did you try : apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 22:22.34 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: and I tend to think that it won't run anything that has a graphical interface well... |
| 22:22.35 | adb_ | add non-free before to sources list |
| 22:22.47 | OptimismPrime | as i said, i'm totaly new at this, so i tried that synaptic thing, and it had like mozilla flashlib, and other things |
| 22:23.11 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: what's your computer ? |
| 22:23.34 | OptimismPrime | it's a celeron 566 notebook |
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| 22:23.49 | themill | yay! a celery! |
| 22:23.57 | amphi | heh |
| 22:23.58 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: well, youtube won't run smooth on this computer |
| 22:24.00 | pothibo | that's for sure |
| 22:24.05 | OptimismPrime | heh |
| 22:24.34 | OptimismPrime | it's the only thing i got....i got it WAY back when you could at least do some things on it, came with WinME way back when |
| 22:24.57 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: you won't enjoy you're experience.. |
| 22:25.16 | amphi | pothibo: even using mplayer? |
| 22:25.25 | OptimismPrime | had gentoo on it years ago, but something broke when it ran out of diskspace doing an emerge |
| 22:25.29 | OptimismPrime | never got it fixed |
| 22:25.35 | amphi | pothibo: not in a browser at all |
| 22:25.54 | OptimismPrime | and all the guides i found for floppy installs for gentoo, ubuntu, whatever failed |
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| 22:26.01 | pothibo | mplayer plays flash ? |
| 22:26.18 | amphi | flv, yeah |
| 22:26.25 | zinx | pothibo: it plays flv, not flash |
| 22:26.27 | amphi | !youtube script |
| 22:26.27 | dpkg | well, youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg |
| 22:26.30 | pothibo | amphi: was not aware of that |
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| 22:26.49 | amphi | pothibo: you can watch youtube in a VT ;) |
| 22:26.52 | OptimismPrime | way back when it took burned CDs, but that was when the refelction layer was a REALY dark blue, that damn thing won't accept any modern blank discs i write anything on |
| 22:26.55 | pothibo | amphi: Still, it's gonna be sluggish. |
| 22:26.59 | OptimismPrime | after 6 brands i gave up |
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| 22:27.13 | OptimismPrime | and a floppy / network install finaly worked for debian |
| 22:27.33 | amphi | pothibo: youtube is pretty low res. - it's probably worth a try (if you care about youtube at all, that is) |
| 22:27.46 | OptimismPrime | so i try to get some things to work, i know its slow and all, but i can't even afford a used 1st gen eeePC atm |
| 22:27.46 | zinx | OptimismPrime: most modern brands are Ricoh/Ritek/other really really terribly made CDs |
| 22:27.55 | OptimismPrime | so this thing has to do for a while |
| 22:28.02 | zinx | OptimismPrime: but it's also possible the laser went bad |
| 22:28.04 | pothibo | amphi: true. But I'd be putting a 10$ bet that it's gonna look like hell |
| 22:28.22 | phr3ak | i compiled a package with dpkg-buildpackage, and installed. apt-get upgrade why want replace it if the version number is equal with the version of package in the repository? |
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| 22:28.36 | OptimismPrime | well, there is a linux on it now, and it runs....slowly....but it runs |
| 22:28.45 | zinx | OptimismPrime: or possible it doesn't know how to burn the discs you got.. a firmware update might fix that |
| 22:28.52 | OptimismPrime | na |
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| 22:29.03 | themill | phr3ak: not if it's equal. But the version number includes the "debian revision" after the dash. |
| 22:29.05 | dudeman | omygod its freezing outisde |
| 22:29.07 | dudeman | goddamn |
| 22:29.18 | dudeman | good news I got the etch server backup! yay |
| 22:29.57 | OptimismPrime | it is only a CD-ROM, so it can only read, but it won't read any newer type burned cds |
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| 22:30.02 | OptimismPrime | all i need to know is |
| 22:30.12 | zinx | OptimismPrime: oh, older CD-ROMs can't |
| 22:30.25 | OptimismPrime | how the hell do i get adobe flash on it, so youtube at least displays anything |
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| 22:30.37 | zinx | OptimismPrime: CD-R has much lower reflectivity than pressed CDs (i think it's like 10% vs. 90%) |
| 22:30.49 | phr3ak | themill: i see the status and Packages file. versions are equal |
| 22:30.52 | zinx | OptimismPrime: with aptitude / apt-get? |
| 22:31.04 | hatter | what does : 'grub: hard disk error' mean ? |
| 22:31.14 | TiMiDo | hey how do i enable alsa to start up at boot? |
| 22:31.17 | TiMiDo | the alsa deamon |
| 22:31.18 | dudeman | alright, well im going home now |
| 22:31.39 | OptimismPrime | in like 2004 or 2005 i got gentoo Linux on it fine from a CD-R, but back then the reflective layer was a realy, realy rich dark blue, modern blanks with their almost silver don't work in it at all |
| 22:31.45 | themill | phr3ak: I have no idea what you mean by that fragment of a sentence. But do look at the output of: apt-cache policy packagename. |
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| 22:33.10 | phr3ak | openssh-server: |
| 22:33.10 | phr3ak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.10 | phr3ak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.44 | OptimismPrime | as i said, i'm not that good with linux at all |
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| 22:33.59 | OptimismPrime | how would i make aptitude or whatever install adobe flash? |
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| 22:34.15 | themill | phr3ak: and this is supposed to mean what to me? You obviously don't like that output, but you're not telling me anything about what you are doing or what you expect to see there instead. |
| 22:34.21 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: try in console the command line I gave you |
| 22:34.37 | dudeman | OptimismPrime, install the flashplayer-nonfree package |
| 22:35.01 | OptimismPrime | when i installed the system it asked me if i wanted to allow non-free packages, and i said yes, but when i search that synaptic packet manager thingy it only comes up with a lot of obscure free flash libraries |
| 22:35.13 | phr3ak | i'd like to know apt why want upgrade a package if that is not newer that installed |
| 22:35.30 | dudeman | now I get to drive home, yay... :( |
| 22:35.41 | dudeman | gbye |
| 22:36.23 | Spreadsheet_ | ok im back |
| 22:36.39 | OptimismPrime | @pothibo: could i have that line again? must have missed it |
| 22:37.06 | pothibo | sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:38.38 | themill | phr3ak: what makes you say that it is doing so? |
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| 22:41.09 | OptimismPrime | @pothibo: i typed that exact same line on the laptop into a terminal, first it asked for a password for the sudo, told me i am not in the sudoers file and that this will be reported and nothing happend |
| 22:41.17 | JeffH | Is there a boot cd that I can use that will output to the console so I can configure my system to gain access through the console? |
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| 22:41.59 | OptimismPrime | when i then just did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it told me it could open the lockfile /var/lib/dpkg/lock , error13 |
| 22:42.40 | themill | OptimismPrime: either you aren't root or you have another aptitude/apt-get/synaptic session running |
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| 22:43.24 | OptimismPrime | i had an aptitude window running before, but since i dind't know how to get out of that ap i just closed the terminal window |
| 22:43.28 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: if you're not in the suoder's mean your user you are currently logged on is not a member of the group. |
| 22:43.28 | themill | OptimismPrime: log in as root (e.g. su) and then use apt-get |
| 22:43.39 | JeffH | fuck. I just realized I think I'm hosed. I don't think my machine is setup to look to boot from the cd. |
| 22:43.46 | themill | pothibo: which group would that be? |
| 22:43.53 | wald0` | pothibo: my GF is sleeping on the room so i want to continue working on this computer but i can't move it, so i want to work from the laptop IN this computer |
| 22:43.56 | pothibo | themill: don't know ;) |
| 22:45.16 | OptimismPrime | i logged my normal user out of gnome, but it doesn't let me login as root |
| 22:45.29 | pothibo | wald0`: yeah you want a ssh access |
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| 22:45.54 | OptimismPrime | asks for a username, i give it root, asks for the password, i give it the root password, but then it asks for a user again emidiatly -.- |
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| 22:46.12 | themill | OptimismPrime: correct. You don't want to do that. Just change to root within a terminal using "su". |
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| 22:46.27 | pothibo | wald0`: there's plenty of tutorial on how to access a computer through ssh tunnelling, in fact, it's very easy. you do ssh -l loginname 192.168.0.*(you're IP address ) and you get access |
| 22:46.39 | pothibo | if you want it to be a X instance, then you need more tweaking |
| 22:47.32 | sarixe | skdjf |
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| 22:48.22 | sarixe | dies |
| 22:48.55 | themill | wald0`: if you want to see your actual desktop, then you will need to run x11vnc on the remote machine. If you want to just start a new application and then run it for a while and then quit it, all remotely, then /msg dpkg sshx |
| 22:49.06 | Spreadsheet_ | pothibo, you there? |
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| 22:49.20 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: Half. I'm exhausted, got 2 exams today |
| 22:49.29 | Spreadsheet_ | i see |
| 22:49.59 | OptimismPrime | ok, i did su, did an apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, but now it tells me that this package is not available, but is refferenced by another one, and that it could be missing, outdated or available from another source |
| 22:50.02 | Spreadsheet_ | can you still help me? |
| 22:50.29 | kervan | Hi. I have a problem about chancing keyboard layout. When I change the language, `Gnome Keyboard applet` still shows the default language. i can`t change the layout by clicking. I have English,Russian and Turkish layout. Can any body help me please. Thanks |
| 22:50.29 | adb_ | OptimismPrime: add non-free before to sources list |
| 22:50.30 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: get something else than Debian.. honestly, try ubuntu |
| 22:50.46 | Spreadsheet_ | pothibo, no |
| 22:50.46 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: you'll get much better results |
| 22:50.53 | pothibo | argh |
| 22:51.00 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: wrong name sry |
| 22:51.01 | Spreadsheet_ | i cant look dumb |
| 22:51.12 | pothibo | sry? You can't look dumb? |
| 22:51.32 | Spreadsheet_ | dude its just that the installer froze at the last steps |
| 22:51.32 | pothibo | I look dumb most of the time and it doesn't refrain me from having sex... |
| 22:51.40 | Spreadsheet_ | when everythings installed and stuff |
| 22:51.46 | Spreadsheet_ | pothibo, -_- |
| 22:51.49 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: Debian is not great for beginner. |
| 22:51.55 | Spreadsheet_ | im not a beginner |
| 22:51.57 | sarixe | hi |
| 22:52.07 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: you don't even know how to run memtest86+ |
| 22:52.20 | Spreadsheet_ | so? |
| 22:52.33 | OptimismPrime | @adb_: how would i do that? in the installer it asked me if i wanted to add non-free software, i told it i want to, how would i tell it that now? |
| 22:52.41 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: take this as an advice from someone who knows more: Use something else. Debian ain't that great for desktop use anyway... |
| 22:52.57 | Spreadsheet_ | >.< |
| 22:53.10 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: Plus: Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 22:53.21 | Spreadsheet_ | so you think ubuntu will work, itll avoid a tiny problem? |
| 22:53.27 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: Yes. |
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| 22:53.29 | OptimismPrime | @pothibo: what is the right name then? |
| 22:53.42 | pothibo | OptimismPrime: wrong handle, I meant to talk to Spreadsheet_ |
| 22:53.43 | themill | OptimismPrime: did you enable the backports.org repository? |
| 22:53.46 | Spreadsheet_ | i dont feel like being discouraged today |
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| 22:54.01 | adb_ | OptimismPrime: take a look at :> cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:54.03 | Spreadsheet_ | \/me signs |
| 22:54.09 | Spreadsheet_ | sighs |
| 22:54.33 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: you're an idiot if you think I'm trying to discourage you. I'm giving you a redirection. Trust me I have been where you are. I know you're pain. |
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| 22:54.48 | Spreadsheet_ | im a pain? :O |
| 22:54.58 | pothibo | sry, your pain* |
| 22:55.05 | EmleyMoor | Can icedove handle a local maildir or must I use IMAP? |
| 22:55.22 | OptimismPrime | ok, i see the sources.list |
| 22:55.28 | Spreadsheet_ | others: do you think itll work, if i just tried to boot it? |
| 22:55.40 | hikenboot | hello all---I know there is scripts to convert an install to a live cd but is their a script to turn an install to a usb flash drive and would it have hardware detection once created? |
| 22:55.54 | pothibo | Spreadsheet_: one more time. Get Ubuntu (Or SuSE) you'll get use to the fundamentals of llinux's framework |
| 22:56.05 | OptimismPrime | it only has http://ftp.de.debian.irg/debian/ etch main non-free contrib in it, and the same for deb-src |
| 22:56.16 | Spreadsheet_ | uggh... |
| 22:56.28 | themill | dpkg: tell OptimismPrime about backports.org |
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| 22:56.50 | themill | EmleyMoor: maildir format or mbox? |
| 22:56.54 | SJrX | Is there a version of ls that won't puke with a billion files in a directory |
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| 22:57.16 | themill | dpkg: tell SJrX about errors |
| 22:57.16 | Spreadsheet_ | ls | less ? |
| 22:57.21 | EmleyMoor | maildir |
| 22:57.21 | pothibo | lol |
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| 22:57.51 | pothibo | never used ls | less, I guess it has its uses |
| 22:58.07 | SJrX | hmmmm the error is nothing |
| 22:58.09 | SJrX | nothing happens |
| 22:58.21 | SJrX | ls 1K* says 'too many arguements" |
| 22:58.32 | themill | EmleyMoor: I believe so. |
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| 22:58.40 | themill | SJrX: that's not ls's fault, that's your shells. |
| 22:58.59 | adb_ | SJrX: install less |
| 22:59.00 | EmleyMoor | How would I tell it to? |
| 22:59.07 | themill | adb_: that has nothing to do with it |
| 22:59.14 | RichiH | would a 52 GB fat32 need to be set to fat32 or fat32 lba with fdisk for vista to recognize it? |
| 22:59.15 | adb_ | ok th |
| 22:59.18 | SJrX | Hmmmmmm |
| 22:59.22 | SJrX | how will less help |
| 22:59.23 | themill | SJrX: Use find or xargs for that. or even echo. |
| 22:59.23 | adb_ | ok themill * |
| 22:59.29 | SJrX | okay the-dude |
| 22:59.30 | Polizei | seems not a shell problem, its more than like `ls' is compiled with 32K arg length, while 1K* sends more... |
| 22:59.31 | SJrX | themill |
| 22:59.36 | EmleyMoor | (it seems to insist on pop3 or imap) |
| 22:59.39 | SJrX | ah |
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| 22:59.48 | Polizei | or even less than 32K, if its a busybox... |
| 22:59.59 | themill | adb_: e.g. "echo 1K* | xargs" would work. |
| 23:00.00 | Spreadsheet_ | pothibo, do you think rebooting the system will work? |
| 23:00.19 | adb_ | thx, themill |
| 23:00.45 | themill | dpkg: tell EmleyMoor about icedove local mail |
| 23:00.52 | themill | EmleyMoor: Helpful, i hope... |
| 23:01.17 | steve_j | anyone here running mod_rails (Passenger)? |
| 23:01.52 | themill | EmleyMoor: hmmm... maybe that was tbird 1.5 not 2.0 though :( |
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| 23:02.30 | Spreadsheet_ | sighs |
| 23:02.49 | adb_ | !tell steve_j about ask |
| 23:04.03 | EmleyMoor | themillS: Indeed - no such option |
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| 23:07.32 | steve_j | i'm trying to install mod_rails/Passenger on etch. i have rake installed via rubygems, but it keeps claiming it can't see it |
| 23:07.40 | steve_j | oh, wait |
| 23:07.41 | steve_j | paths |
| 23:07.45 | OptimismPrime | ok |
| 23:08.23 | rokra | Someone know how to change the header tcp |
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| 23:10.12 | Spreadsheet | muahahaha |
| 23:10.39 | Spreadsheet | i am back, and on the debian system! |
| 23:10.47 | Spreadsheet | now it just says i have a kernel failure |
| 23:10.56 | Spreadsheet | so i reported it :) |
| 23:12.21 | OptimismPrime | yay, flash works |
| 23:12.24 | OptimismPrime | thanks guys.... |
| 23:13.39 | themill | dpkg: congratulate OptimismPrime |
| 23:13.39 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies OptimismPrime, you did it! |
| 23:13.47 | adb_ | Spreadsheet: url ? |
| 23:14.10 | OptimismPrime | anyone can recoomend any high contrast themes for gnome? |
| 23:14.53 | OptimismPrime | the craptastic laptop has a passive matrix display wich is realy bad displaying the standard theme |
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| 23:15.55 | themill | judd: bug 447002 |
| 23:15.56 | judd | themill: Bug #447002 (pending) icedove -- There is no wizard for creating a movemail account in icedove; Severity: normal; Last Modified: 2008-01-11 10:57:04 |
| 23:15.59 | themill | EmleyMoor: ^^ |
| 23:16.39 | Spreadsheet | adb_ : dont know |
| 23:17.14 | EmleyMoor | I'll manage with other stuff for now |
| 23:17.33 | adb_ | so i reported it where ? |
| 23:17.42 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.08 | themill | EmleyMoor: yeah, movemail sounds pretty buggy. Might be better to .forward your mail elsewhere :( |
| 23:18.09 | Spreadsheet | a box popped up and i clicked always |
| 23:18.29 | adb_ | heh, ok |
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| 23:20.20 | EmleyMoor | I'll cope with what I've used up to now for now at least |
| 23:20.49 | Spreadsheet | hmm this is strange |
| 23:20.52 | adb_ | Spreadsheet: what does "uname -a" ? |
| 23:21.03 | Spreadsheet | uname -a? |
| 23:21.06 | Spreadsheet | should i run it? |
| 23:21.07 | adb_ | yes |
| 23:21.12 | pothibo | adb_: tells you the name of your kernel |
| 23:21.17 | adb_ | in a terminal |
| 23:21.24 | pothibo | name + version |
| 23:21.30 | Spreadsheet | aptitude install b43-fwcutter |
| 23:21.32 | Spreadsheet | whoa |
| 23:21.35 | adb_ | pothibo: I know |
| 23:21.43 | Spreadsheet | Linux blue 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:21.57 | adb_ | lenny ? |
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| 23:22.26 | Spreadsheet | anyways when i run aptitude install b43-fwcutter it says there is no package called b43-fwcutter |
| 23:22.28 | Spreadsheet | yes lenny |
| 23:22.30 | adb_ | install 2.6.26-1-amd64 , than |
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| 23:22.44 | Spreadsheet | what? |
| 23:22.47 | adb_ | and reboot on this new kernel |
| 23:22.54 | Spreadsheet | ok... |
| 23:23.22 | themill | that's not the current kernel in lenny |
| 23:23.41 | adb_ | ? |
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| 23:23.51 | Spreadsheet | now it says there is no package called that either >.< |
| 23:24.06 | themill | judd: versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 23:24.06 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6: |
| 23:24.10 | themill | :( |
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| 23:24.41 | themill | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 23:24.42 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6-amd64: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch) 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch-security) 2.6.26+15~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.6.26+16 (lenny) 2.6.26+16 (sid) |
| 23:24.52 | themill | ^^ 2.6.26 is the current kernel in lenny |
| 23:25.10 | Spreadsheet | hmm |
| 23:25.28 | themill | Spreadsheet: what command did you type (exactly) |
| 23:25.41 | themill | adb_: sorry, I missed your line about installing 2.6.26) |
| 23:25.57 | adb_ | nm |
| 23:25.57 | Spreadsheet | aptitude install 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 23:25.59 | Spreadsheet | in root |
| 23:26.16 | themill | Spreadsheet: that's not the package name though, that's only the kernel version |
| 23:26.20 | Spreadsheet | oh |
| 23:26.22 | trifler | 2.6.26 that's sounds new and fancy I just got 2.6.18 |
| 23:26.28 | Spreadsheet | adb_: >:( |
| 23:26.31 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.04 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 23:27.08 | Spreadsheet | geez linux is huge |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | he should be using linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:27.20 | themill | Spreadsheet: also install the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package so that your kernel is always up to date with debian's |
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| 23:27.24 | abrotman | or linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:27.41 | Spreadsheet | so do you think there are any problems because it froze up during the last steps ? |
| 23:27.51 | themill | abrotman: just in case that 2.8 kernel ever comes out? |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | just in case :) |
| 23:28.03 | Spreadsheet | hehe |
| 23:28.23 | EtherNet | guys, I've got 2 sound cards installed on the samemachine, alsa detects both perfectly, where do I switch the default output to one card, where do I configure that one card will do all the work? |
| 23:28.54 | EmleyMoor | Am I right in thinking there will never be a 2.7 series? |
| 23:29.20 | themill | EmleyMoor: there are currently no plans |
| 23:29.27 | Spreadsheet | now the other problem is that it says b43-fwcutter does not exist |
| 23:29.39 | abrotman | do you have contrib sources? |
| 23:29.44 | Spreadsheet | no |
| 23:29.47 | Spreadsheet | oh no wonder |
| 23:29.53 | themill | dpkg: tell Spreadsheet about contrib |
| 23:29.58 | abrotman | dpkg: info b43-fwcutter lenny |
| 23:30.01 | roe_ | !lenny |
| 23:30.01 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 23:30.11 | themill | judd: versions b43-fwcutter |
| 23:30.12 | judd | themill: b43-fwcutter: 1:011-1~etchnhalf.2 (etch/contrib) 1:011-5 (lenny/contrib) 1:011-5 (sid/contrib) |
| 23:30.14 | themill | !win me |
| 23:30.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | i didn't think judd did the main/contrib/non-free .. oh well |
| 23:30.36 | dpkg | b43-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:011-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 23:30.41 | roe_ | !tell roe_ lenny status |
| 23:30.43 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 23:30.43 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 23:30.48 | abrotman | !tell roe_ about selftell |
| 23:30.51 | EmleyMoor | wonders which Cleveland |
| 23:31.01 | themill | EmleyMoor: it probably doesn't matter |
| 23:31.08 | EmleyMoor | Indeed |
| 23:31.08 | TiMiDo | hey how do i enable alsa to start up at boot? |
| 23:31.11 | TiMiDo | the alsa deamon |
| 23:31.17 | roe_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:31.20 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: probably the one near one of our ops i'd guess |
| 23:31.32 | amphi | EmleyMoor: the one of the 'Plain Dealer', no doubt |
| 23:31.36 | TiMiDo | because everytime i boot up my pc i need to do alsaconf as root |
| 23:31.39 | TiMiDo | and is getting annoying |
| 23:31.42 | OptimismPrime | my software update keeps bugging me to update the kernel to linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 , but i already have that....how do i tell it not to show that as an update? |
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| 23:31.54 | abrotman | !tell OptimismPrime about dsa |
| 23:32.08 | roe_ | so I guess it is unlikely that OOo 3.0 will make it to lenny... |
| 23:32.10 | EmleyMoor | One's a lousy city, the other a lousy so-called county |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | roe_: not officially |
| 23:32.20 | TiMiDo | abrotman, can you help me? |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | TiMiDo: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base .. maybe |
| 23:33.05 | OptimismPrime | would i break anything by installing that over itself? |
| 23:33.12 | abrotman | !tell OptimismPrime about dsa |
| 23:33.13 | TiMiDo | sound system to use i put alsa? or oss or default? |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | i'd guess alsa |
| 23:33.29 | adb_ | TiMiDo: do a alsaconf |
| 23:33.49 | themill | OptimismPrime: that's just the name of the package, not the actual package version. Look at the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" |
| 23:34.44 | TiMiDo | adb, for? |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | adb_: he says he has to do that every time he boots |
| 23:34.54 | TiMiDo | I already have the audio back up |
| 23:35.06 | TiMiDo | right abrotman and it was getting annoying |
| 23:35.28 | adb_ | normally not needed |
| 23:35.34 | efaistos | why mencoder is not in debian ? |
| 23:35.39 | sandman | Does anyone think it may be possible to install Debian on the T-Mobile G1 as one can install Debian-ARM on the OpenMoko phone? |
| 23:35.51 | adb_ | efaistos: not free ? |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | sandman: try it and let us know ;) |
| 23:36.14 | EmleyMoor | efaistos: special issues |
| 23:36.29 | Spreadsheet | whoo wireless is working :D |
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| 23:36.45 | EmleyMoor | !tell efaistos about marillat |
| 23:36.50 | themill | dpkg: tell efaistos about mencoder |
| 23:37.38 | JeffH | Anyone know how to set screen to 115200, 8, N and 1? |
| 23:37.52 | sandman | abrotman: Well... I see the CPU is manufactured by Qualcomm.. |
| 23:37.56 | sandman | That instantly makes me wonder |
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| 23:38.24 | sandman | But then, it says its instruction set is ARMv6 |
| 23:39.08 | efaistos | i know about marillat's repo the thing is why mplayer is in Debian and not mencoder ? does mencoder include some converter that are not free ? if yes which one ? |
| 23:39.18 | dalias | no |
| 23:39.21 | themill | efaistos: most of them, at a guess |
| 23:39.30 | dalias | debian just excludes mencoder because they're paranoid about patent bullshit |
| 23:39.38 | dalias | mencoder is under gpl, just like mplayer |
| 23:40.07 | themill | dalias: which makes it "not free" as efaistos said |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | and it's patent encumbered |
| 23:40.29 | dalias | so is every single program in debian |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | then use another distro if you don't like the DFSG |
| 23:40.42 | dalias | there's no nontrivial piece of code to which a significant number of patents do not apply |
| 23:40.54 | dalias | so the requirement is only selectively enforced... |
| 23:40.56 | Spreadsheet | hmm |
| 23:41.26 | dudeman | back |
| 23:41.30 | Spreadsheet | for the b43 driver which i installed, i did ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 23:41.36 | dalias | i do like dfsg, fwiw |
| 23:41.38 | themill | dalias: there are also plenty of patent trolls running around suing and/or collecting royalties from people over codecs. |
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| 23:41.58 | Spreadsheet | first it said operation not supported |
| 23:42.01 | cast | i wish we stuck to the dfsg a bit more :\ |
| 23:42.05 | dudeman | dalias, you don't only have to use debian, use other stuff too |
| 23:42.15 | dudeman | dalias, employ the right tool for the job |
| 23:42.17 | Spreadsheet | then i went to a page where the wiki said to go if you get some error message |
| 23:42.22 | Spreadsheet | it told me to run a script |
| 23:42.26 | dudeman | dalias, doesn't matter if it is DFSG or closed. |
| 23:42.37 | Spreadsheet | i ran it and now the ifconfig wlan0 up says there is no deviced |
| 23:42.40 | dalias | dudeman, one can install mencoder (from source or from separate .debs) on debian just fine |
| 23:42.49 | dalias | so no reason to throw out debian |
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| 23:43.03 | dudeman | dalias, there is never reason to chuck debian |
| 23:43.08 | dalias | :) |
| 23:43.17 | themill | dalias: feel free to argue that point on debian-legal and with the ftp masters. |
| 23:43.21 | dudeman | other than wiping my ass, it can pretty much do everything else under the sun. |
| 23:43.45 | Spreadsheet | so now what should i do? |
| 23:44.01 | dudeman | what happend to bcm43xx? |
| 23:44.08 | abrotman | b43 now |
| 23:44.12 | dudeman | ah |
| 23:44.13 | themill | dudeman: old kernels only |
| 23:44.16 | Spreadsheet | dudeman: it was replaced |
| 23:44.34 | dudeman | still has 2.6.18 with bcm43xx |
| 23:45.30 | Spreadsheet | i see |
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| 23:45.57 | dudeman | I use all 3 debians |
| 23:46.00 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:46.05 | adb_ | judd: b43 |
| 23:46.06 | judd | adb_: Error: "b43" is not a valid command. |
| 23:46.11 | adb_ | ah |
| 23:46.24 | adb_ | !b43 |
| 23:46.24 | dpkg | i guess b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
| 23:46.59 | Spreadsheet | adb_: yeah i did that |
| 23:47.03 | themill | adb_: judd only does "versions" "info" "depends" "bug" (also rdepends and build-dep I think) |
| 23:47.31 | adb_ | ah , thx themill |
| 23:47.39 | Spreadsheet | when i did ifconfig wlan0 up it came up with operation not supported |
| 23:47.47 | dudeman | but my other debians don't have wifi |
| 23:47.59 | Spreadsheet | the wiki page says if you have something like that then there is info on this page |
| 23:48.37 | Spreadsheet | i go there, it says in debian you can run this script, i ran it, and now it says device not found |
| 23:49.53 | b-04 | hi abrotman :)* |
| 23:50.02 | b-04 | i love abrotman |
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| 23:52.23 | cast | as long as you wash up afterwards |
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| 23:53.11 | hatter | does anyone know if lennys install will install grub to both drives in a raid 1 install ? etch doesnt... |
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| 23:53.30 | abrotman | swraid or hwraid ? |
| 23:53.38 | Spreadsheet | ok im going to reboot |
| 23:53.43 | Spreadsheet | see ya later |
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| 23:57.19 | hatter | abrotman, sw raid |
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| 23:58.48 | hatter | then it appears i need to install grub on the 2nd drive with a chroot, otherwise grub has the md devices as the boot devices in them |
