| 00:00.21 | kash | say i have a GTK theme that has black text when typing into a black textbox |
| 00:00.24 | kash | how would i fix this? |
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| 00:06.21 | lejacques | question for you all... |
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| 00:06.50 | lejacques | any idea why i can see an external automounted with hal, but i cant see it otherwise with fdisk or, anything really |
| 00:07.45 | JeffH | Has anyone here setup a serial console? I followed steps I found on the web but its not coming out. |
| 00:08.30 | JeffH | Is there some program to see how the getty is configured and running for a device? |
| 00:08.52 | Vorbote | JeffH: Haven't done it in a looong time, but usually it is a problem with speed and/or parity settings. |
| 00:09.20 | JeffH | Vorbote: I'm fairly certain I have those matching. |
| 00:09.54 | hatter | is there a recommended way to get grub onto the 2nd disk in a s/w raid1 install ? |
| 00:09.58 | Vorbote | JeffH: Can you post the line you edited inittab somewhere? |
| 00:10.10 | Vorbote | you edited in inittab |
| 00:10.29 | hatter | can i dd the mbr from the first disk ? |
| 00:10.47 | Vorbote | hatter try using grub-install on the physical partition device. |
| 00:11.13 | JeffH | Vorbote: I can type it here. its s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt100 |
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| 00:11.51 | Vorbote | JeffH: I think your problem is the speed, try 38400 or slower. |
| 00:12.24 | Vorbote | JeffH: some integrated chipset serial ports aren't that fast. |
| 00:12.28 | Polizei | hatter, dd if=/dev/something of=/dev/otherthing bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:12.30 | hatter | Vorbote, i have done this, when i try to boot from the 2nd disk, i get 'grub hard disk error' |
| 00:12.42 | JeffH | Gotcha.. I'll try 9600 then go up from there. |
| 00:13.21 | Vorbote | hatter try Polizei's suggestion. That's the old fashioned way :-) |
| 00:13.36 | hatter | Polizei, Vorbote, thx |
| 00:14.00 | Polizei | the way we've been installing lilo all the days when there was only slack/sls ... ;0 |
| 00:14.28 | Vorbote | hatter another thing you can try is to degrade your raid, and repair the grub in your second disk with a repair distro, like RIP. |
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| 00:15.26 | Vorbote | Polizei: good to see an old hand around. It gets lonely sometimes ;-) |
| 00:15.31 | JeffH | Is editing /boot/grub/menu.lst the right way to change grub? I made changes now it looks like a kenel upgrade didn't maintain those changes. |
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| 00:16.31 | Vorbote | JeffH: Yes, and then running update-grub. Do be careful with where you place your custom entries or they will be erased, the comments are self-explaining. |
| 00:17.33 | hatter | Vorbote, that 2nd suggestion is not so good for a fast install, the installer needs an option to put grub on both drives |
| 00:18.07 | Stratman4300 | Hey how is gnash these days??? is it getting any closer to being a valid replacment for adobe's flash??? |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 00:21.45 | Polizei | actually - no... adobe have released 10.something and it seems they've fixed the wmode=transparent bug... i havent tested gnash since it simply crashed the fox on a belot game site... maybe 6 months ago... |
| 00:23.11 | abrotman | Polizei: oddly .. in gecko-based browsers, it doesn't display adobe.com correctly |
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| 00:23.55 | curtmack | okay, I'm going to do it, I'm going to reinstall Debian, this time with etch instead of lenny |
| 00:23.57 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 00:23.59 | Polizei | "... and it seems ..." ;) |
| 00:24.19 | curtmack | for a netinst, I want "debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso" correct? |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | or the etchnhalf |
| 00:24.32 | Tetracomm | I am trying to install my Pinnacle video capture card in Debian Etch, but it wasn't detected, or I don't think so, help? |
| 00:24.36 | curtmack | what's the difference? |
| 00:24.37 | Polizei | i've tested it 3 days ago, while working on a french shitty site's "bulgarisation"... |
| 00:24.46 | curtmack | (between etchnhalf and regular etch) |
| 00:24.52 | abrotman | curtmack: newer kernel is hte biggie |
| 00:25.14 | Tetracomm | I really need it to work. |
| 00:25.28 | curtmack | so etchnhalf is etch, except using lenny's kernel? (or something like that?) |
| 00:25.49 | curtmack | hence "etch and a half" |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | not quite |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | !tell curtmack about etchnhalf |
| 00:26.37 | Polizei | yeah, etchnhalf works on most newer hardware, it even recognizes my battery and etc., but since it's a shitty msi laptop, and its made for windoze users, it simply crashes after maximally an hour working with apmd started... |
| 00:26.44 | Tetracomm | Ok, it detected it in lspci, not how do I get it to work?: 01:02.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| 00:26.59 | Tetracomm | oops |
| 00:27.02 | Tetracomm | wrong one |
| 00:27.02 | Tetracomm | 01:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| 00:27.05 | Tetracomm | that one |
| 00:27.20 | curtmack | oh, so it has the .24 kernel? In that case I should probably get that, the ethernet chip on my motherboard required some twinking to work if I recall correctly |
| 00:28.21 | Tetracomm | Can anyone recommend any video capture software for Etch? |
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| 00:28.22 | curtmack | but first I should clean up some unnecessary files in my home directory to minimize backing up |
| 00:28.43 | curtmack | think I have some conf files from programs I used once and then removed |
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| 00:29.31 | curtmack | ooooh... I'll need to be careful with permissions though, my MP3 player uses FAT32 |
| 00:29.53 | curtmack | just use a tar archive then |
| 00:30.04 | curtmack | I will stop thinking into my keyboard now. |
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| 00:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | My server thinks it's domain name is .local - how do I fix that? |
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| 00:32.21 | lventura | How to count how many times a character appears in a file using only bash?? |
| 00:32.27 | Orbixx | hostname newdomain.com |
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| 00:33.16 | Orbixx | lventura: #bash |
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| 00:34.17 | lventura | Orbixx: I wanna know how many times the char ';' appears in a text file |
| 00:34.32 | ArtificialSynaps | Hey Hey |
| 00:34.40 | Orbixx | With bash? |
| 00:34.46 | lventura | Orbixx: Yes |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | lventura: so ask #bash |
| 00:34.55 | Orbixx | Precisely. |
| 00:35.15 | lventura | Orbixx: hehe...yes |
| 00:39.41 | curtmack | they really should make it a little more clear what wodim's -data switch does |
| 00:39.48 | lventura | Orbixx: In the file is the phrase: "Hello World" .... How to count how many times the char 'o' appears in file?? |
| 00:39.50 | curtmack | </rant> |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | tells curtmack about reportbug |
| 00:40.09 | lventura | Orbixx: the name of the file is 'target' |
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| 00:40.14 | Orbixx | lventura: I'm pretty sure I made it clear that I told you to visit #bash |
| 00:40.53 | lventura | Orbixx: Ok thanks...I'll try it |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | you're not even in #bash |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | are now .. |
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| 00:42.34 | rahsputin | Hi, how can i make a .img/.iso out of bin/cue files, or is there a way to mount them ? |
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| 00:45.22 | curtmack | rahsputin: I think it's "bchunk file.bin file.cue file.iso" |
| 00:45.22 | curtmack | but i'm not positive on the order of those arguments |
| 00:46.30 | curtmack | yeah, it's bchunk bin cue iso |
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| 00:47.07 | curtmack | by the way, .img and .iso files are not precisely the same iirc. This produces a .iso file. |
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| 00:48.03 | deryl | OK, I have bugzilla3 installed locally. It keeps telling me "The local XML file '/var/lib/bugzilla3/data/bugzilla-update.xml' cannot be created." The permissions on that directory are 770 and it's owned www-data:www-data |
| 00:48.22 | mentalmonkey | should the command sync have to be used manually, ever? |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | does bugzilla run as www-data ? |
| 00:48.25 | rahsputin | Thanx curtmack :D |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | mentalmonkey: i use it sometimes |
| 00:48.52 | deryl | drwxrwx--- 8 www-data www-data 4096 2008-10-19 20:42 /var/lib/bugzilla3/data |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | deryl: that wasn't what i asked |
| 00:50.07 | deryl | Oh, i didn't see your question. my apologies |
| 00:50.08 | mentalmonkey | abrotman: I'm thinking of putting it in root's crontab to run once a day or so, not sure if that is benign |
| 00:50.32 | mentalmonkey | abrotman: any suggestions, it's a laptop and I use s2{disk,ram} seems to help |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | it runs way more often than that on its own |
| 00:50.48 | deryl | I would imagine that it would since that's what apache2 runs as including the CGIs is it not? |
| 00:51.04 | deryl | doing a ps aux | grep apache2 shows a bunch launched as root with a single process running as www-data (I would imagine this is the child serving me) |
| 00:51.08 | mentalmonkey | abrotman: ok, I should really look through what's going on already :) |
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| 00:53.19 | deryl | abrotman - am I incorrect? |
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| 00:54.17 | Tetracomm | Can anyone recommend video capture software for linux? |
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| 00:56.44 | abrotman | deryl: i was asking .. i'm not sure .. you can try to become the www-data user and see if you can write there |
| 00:56.53 | deryl | sec |
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| 00:58.14 | deryl | yes i can. su - www-data ; cd /var/lib/bugzilla3/data && touch t && ls -alh t works |
| 00:58.35 | deryl | rm t works as expected as well |
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| 00:59.42 | deryl | brb, looking through the bugzilla docs on the local system |
| 01:00.30 | adb_ | Tetracomm: apt-cache search v4l |
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| 01:01.47 | broadcast | hola, buenas noches |
| 01:02.00 | hatter | i have 2 500gb seagate disks, trying to run smartmontools, i get this : unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [unsupported field in scsi command] |
| 01:02.01 | Tetracomm | adb_: I see some things, now what? |
| 01:02.27 | adb_ | now get a try |
| 01:02.28 | hikenboot | anyone able to point out a minimal xserver that works with x86_64? |
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| 01:07.03 | zeta | is anyone else feeling that KDE is going in the wrong direction as of 4.0 and its crazy bloated ness? |
| 01:07.53 | H2S04 | zeta, and it's crippled-ness? |
| 01:07.54 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 01:08.01 | H2S04 | zeta, KDE 4.0 is horrible! |
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| 01:08.17 | extor | bloat = sexiness though |
| 01:09.04 | H2S04 | extor, if your idea of sexiness is a fat woman that crushes your pelvis. |
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| 01:09.25 | zeta | aight |
| 01:09.36 | zeta | i think torvalds needs to take another serious look at KDE |
| 01:09.48 | H2S04 | zeta, I don't use those kind of DE's anymore. :P |
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| 01:09.58 | shyam_k | hi all i should be able to easily transport deb packages from a system with net to another without net.. what program i should use? |
| 01:10.05 | H2S04 | zeta, XMONAD, dwm, wmii2, ratpoison. |
| 01:10.37 | extor | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbStNaB9LE0 <--- This is KDE. Love it or leave it. |
| 01:11.16 | adb | shyam_k: USB key/s |
| 01:11.25 | H2S04 | extor, I'll leave it thank you. |
| 01:11.27 | H2S04 | :P |
| 01:11.30 | zeta | lol |
| 01:11.37 | shyam_k | adb: yeah using usb.. |
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| 01:11.56 | adb | floppy ... |
| 01:12.09 | zeta | H2S04: I'm on fluxbox |
| 01:12.10 | zeta | right now |
| 01:12.12 | Tetracomm | adb_: What? |
| 01:12.17 | zeta | but the lack of menus is driving me crazy still |
| 01:12.27 | Tetracomm | The video capture programs are giving me this error: [1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 01:12.40 | zeta | i'm not as l33t as the rest of you lol |
| 01:12.43 | shyam_k | adb: thanks:P |
| 01:12.45 | zeta | i just want something that lets me use emacs |
| 01:12.46 | adb | USB disk |
| 01:12.59 | adb | np |
| 01:13.08 | H2S04 | zeta, fluxbox has a menu, have you rightclicked on the desktop? |
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| 01:14.16 | shyam_k | i mean what is the standard way i should use apt |
| 01:14.23 | zeta | H2S04: yes lol |
| 01:14.25 | Tetracomm | adb? |
| 01:15.21 | adb | !v4l |
| 01:15.21 | dpkg | v4l is probably video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l |
| 01:16.02 | adb | or google a bit |
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| 01:16.58 | RichiH | extor: i would advise you not to post such links |
| 01:17.03 | Tetracomm | abd: Why is it saying this when I try to run any video capture programs?: [1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.09 | zeta | anywho anyone know when 2.24 will be in? |
| 01:17.12 | zeta | is it in lenny? |
| 01:17.54 | Orbixx | Tetracomm: The video capture programs are obviously trying to open /dev/video0 as it thinks that is the default capture device location. |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | zeta: lenny has .26 |
| 01:18.17 | zeta | O_o |
| 01:18.20 | Tetracomm | Yes, Orbixx: Why doesn't it exist? |
| 01:18.22 | Orbixx | Either that, or whatever it's hooking to in order to get a video source is expecting to find it there. |
| 01:18.29 | Orbixx | Tetracomm: You tell me, it's your system. |
| 01:18.45 | Orbixx | Do you have any video capture hardware? |
| 01:18.49 | lejacques | question for you all... |
| 01:18.51 | lejacques | any idea why i can see an external automounted with hal, but i cant see it otherwise with fdisk or, anything really |
| 01:19.00 | Tetracomm | Orbixx: Yes, and I don't know how to get it to work. |
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| 01:19.48 | zeta | one of the things i also noticed is that madwifi doesn't come with the CDs |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | nope |
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| 01:20.22 | abrotman | ath5k does if it works with your card |
| 01:20.44 | Vorbote | lejacques: hal shows devices that are detected as part of the BIOS, even if they are not enabled (happens with a disconnected floppy in my desktop). I guess that's one of the reasons why it will be replaced with DeviceKit sometime next year... |
| 01:21.06 | zeta | abrotman: it doesn't lol |
| 01:21.13 | zeta | and this is problematic |
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| 01:21.19 | zeta | because a large proportion of thinkpads |
| 01:21.23 | mentalmonkey | ath_pci - old but works in many cases |
| 01:21.28 | zeta | only work with madwifi |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | zeta: most htinkpads use intel wireless |
| 01:21.41 | zeta | not anymore |
| 01:21.47 | zeta | the T60+ series are all atheros |
| 01:22.02 | abrotman | the T60 is dead .. and you could have bought it with intel wireless |
| 01:22.11 | zeta | I meant |
| 01:22.12 | zeta | any series |
| 01:22.14 | zeta | higher than T60 |
| 01:22.17 | zeta | ie. my T61 |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | not true |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | but whatever |
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| 01:22.29 | zeta | the default build setting is atheros |
| 01:22.32 | zeta | when you buy it from lenovo |
| 01:22.33 | mentalmonkey | the next lappi that I have control over purchase is going to be as open to open source as possible |
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| 01:22.39 | abrotman | that's your fault .. |
| 01:22.56 | glguy | Could someone point me to a matching .iso and boot.img.gz (hd-media). I haven't been able to get two whose kernel versions match |
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| 01:23.07 | abrotman | !tell zeta about madwifi install |
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| 01:23.59 | zeta | abrotman: wtf do you mean that's my fault |
| 01:24.11 | zeta | ubuntu comes with madwifi |
| 01:24.16 | mentalmonkey | did you have power over what you purchased? |
| 01:24.16 | zeta | opensuse comes with it |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | you ordered it that way .. i configured many thinkpads (T series) .. and i never configured them with atheros |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 01:24.40 | mentalmonkey | if so, in my book that's on you? |
| 01:24.41 | Tetracomm | Orbixx: It is the video capture hardware that I am trying to get to work, help? |
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| 01:24.49 | zeta | no but what i'm saying is that as an average consumer, i don't obsess over the details of a network card |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | zeta: that's nice they come with it .. they have fewer 'morals' than debian |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | zeta: you should, it's your computer |
| 01:25.18 | JeffH | I need some help. Im trying to add 'kopt=console=tty0 console=ttyS0,38400n8' to grub's menu.lst. But whenever I do update-grub it goes away. I'm adding the light right where the example kopt lines are located. |
| 01:25.24 | zeta | look i didn't have the time to cross check every single component with a million distros of linux |
| 01:25.33 | zeta | i just got the "standard" build |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | so plug it into the LAN .. install the madwifi drivers |
| 01:25.54 | amphi | zeta: thinkwiki.org has much useful stinkpad info |
| 01:26.19 | zeta | doesn't work that way if i'm a wireless student on campus and i need to verify my ID via a browser |
| 01:26.19 | mentalmonkey | zeta: if you want to use a distro. that is more interested in supporting hardware which requires proprietary software than that is your choice |
| 01:26.37 | zeta | look i don't like ubuntu |
| 01:26.44 | zeta | i know of their "morals" |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | zeta: so you've got a brand new debian .. and the first time you tried to use the wireless is on campus ? |
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| 01:27.09 | zeta | yes? because i goto school 8 out of 12 months? |
| 01:27.14 | amphi | zeta: BTW, my X61s has intel wifi |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | amphi: lies! |
| 01:27.31 | amphi | heh |
| 01:27.59 | zeta | anyways is atheros THAT esoteric of a card? |
| 01:28.06 | mentalmonkey | zeta: what protocal is your school under? WPAII psk? |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | !tell zeta about madwifi install |
| 01:28.35 | Tetracomm | Help? |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | sporks amphi |
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| 01:30.09 | mentalmonkey | zeta: as far as I know most school's wifi is under the weakest encryption wep, is this true in your case? |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | mentalmonkey: he's not going to be able to crack it .. he has no wifi driver |
| 01:30.34 | Orbixx | senses aircrack-ng talk coming up. |
| 01:30.44 | ameyer | wep might as well not be encrypted |
| 01:30.48 | ameyer | ducks |
| 01:31.13 | zeta | mentalmonkey: it's WEP to connect to the AP, and then afterwards, to actually beable to do anything with the connection you need to login using it's own protocol |
| 01:31.28 | Orbixx | ameyer: I agree, somewhat. It deters those who do not wish to crack, or do not know (and are looking for free internet) |
| 01:31.38 | mentalmonkey | zeta: right, this is what i'm used to |
| 01:31.44 | ameyer | seriously, though, as I understand it, WEP can be cracked in under a minute under the right/wrong circumstances |
| 01:32.02 | Orbixx | ameyer: That's correct, I have done it. |
| 01:32.07 | mentalmonkey | zeta: sorry you can't use ath* open source driver on a new lappi |
| 01:32.16 | mentalmonkey | s/new/&er |
| 01:32.44 | zeta | ameyer: yeah the WEP is not what i'm worried about, but the thing is, to actually be able to get those APs i need to have a working card |
| 01:32.50 | zeta | we don't have lan cables in res |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | zeta: so get a USB drive and a friend |
| 01:33.16 | ameyer | yes, getting wifi drivers working could be an issue |
| 01:33.29 | zeta | abrotman: thats what i did |
| 01:33.38 | zeta | but it's hassle to get build-essential? |
| 01:33.38 | abrotman | so why are we still discussing it? |
| 01:33.39 | mentalmonkey | zeta: you may have mentioned it but what card are you sporting? |
| 01:33.47 | zeta | and dependency gayness |
| 01:33.52 | zeta | by searching up all the packages yourself |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | !tell zeta about gay |
| 01:35.13 | amphi | heh |
| 01:35.32 | zeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.35 | mentalmonkey | that's funny, no offense to homosexuals mind you |
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| 01:36.50 | Tetracomm | Where is the modules configuration file in Debian? |
| 01:36.50 | zeta | abrotman: because i'm about to re-install debian as i fucked something up while root |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | that'll teach you! :) |
| 01:37.41 | Lagbolt | about gay? lol |
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| 01:39.31 | deryl | abrotman - here's something interesting :) I chmod'd 777 /var/lib/bugzilla3/data just to see what would happen and it _still_ says it cant create the file |
| 01:39.52 | mentalmonkey | does it have permissions to make the file? |
| 01:39.59 | deryl | drwxrwxrwx 8 www-data www-data 4096 2008-10-19 20:58 data |
| 01:40.07 | mentalmonkey | lol |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | deryl: did you try it as www-data yet? |
| 01:40.33 | deryl | yep |
| 01:40.33 | zirikili | hi all. how do I configure the whole system to some especific language? |
| 01:41.26 | deryl | abrotman - I reported that to you all ready. I su - www-data and touch'ed t just fine |
| 01:41.26 | deryl | rm t worked as well |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | deryl: missed that .. sorry |
| 01:41.43 | deryl | np |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | deryl: you're sure the paths match ? |
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| 01:42.17 | abrotman | maybe bugzilla runs in some wacky chroot ? |
| 01:42.26 | CapaH | I want to restore the original httpd.conf that comes with apt-get install apache2 --- how can I do this? |
| 01:42.40 | deryl | not from anything *I* can see from looking through the configs or anything |
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| 01:43.09 | deryl | url_basedir is set to /cgi-bin/bugzilla3/ which is not jailed |
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| 01:44.21 | deryl | it _is_ looking for a /var/www/bugzilla3 directory for skins and css files but that's to be expected for theming |
| 01:44.32 | deryl | that doesn't exist, but that's not a worry |
| 01:44.48 | wald0 | is normal that i can't change the permissions of a link from lrwxrwxrwx to lrwx------ ? |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:45.01 | deryl | wald0 - yes |
| 01:45.10 | wald0 | why ? |
| 01:45.40 | deryl | that's how links work. you change the permission on what the link points TO |
| 01:46.16 | deryl | it's just a symbolic link. you change the permissions on the object that link points at |
| 01:46.28 | Lagbolt | deryl, so there is no way to protect a link from being deleted by any user? |
| 01:47.50 | wald0 | deryl: ok... i understand the sense, then i have a problem with that, my .ssh folder points to an external disk, and since the link has full permissions, looks like it not works totally correct |
| 01:48.07 | deryl | Lagbolt - no, symlinks can be removed. the object can not |
| 01:48.09 | mentalmonkey | I just realized, I love mplayer, it's scriptable, plays my music, and my videos how can I not love it |
| 01:48.26 | mentalmonkey | oh and leaves almost no footprint |
| 01:48.43 | deryl | wald0 - correct because the .ssh folder MUST be chmod'd 700 |
| 01:49.36 | adb_ | CapaH: dpkg -x apache2* apache2 , cd apache2, locate your file, and copy it to your config |
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| 01:49.44 | wald0 | deryl: right... by other side i don't quite understand why is no possible that the user can set the desired permissions to a link file |
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| 01:51.38 | deryl | :shrug: that's just the way symbolic links were designed since they were meant to point at an object and only the final objects permissions are used for security checks except for instances like ssh and the like. |
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| 01:52.20 | wald0 | deryl: then should be considered a bug of ssh that doesn't read the "real" permission of the folder in order to manage it on his way ? |
| 01:52.35 | deryl | not really. |
| 01:53.08 | mentalmonkey | can ssh be used to issue a command while also logging into the remote system? |
| 01:53.12 | wald0 | then... links system are bad designed ? |
| 01:53.36 | deryl | you shouldn't be symlinking to keys anyways. otherwise people could be deleting the symlink and pointing it elsewhere if the attacker has access to your local account |
| 01:53.38 | dondelelcaro | mentalmonkey: yes, but why would you? |
| 01:53.42 | wald0 | mentalmonkey: yes if you create a script and then: ssh domain script |
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| 01:54.04 | dondelelcaro | deryl: that doesn't really hold water, because an attacker with access to your account can do anything they want to your keys |
| 01:54.13 | mentalmonkey | wald0: good to know |
| 01:54.54 | mentalmonkey | wald0: thank you, signing immediately on to freenode via screen --> irssi is always a small wait, now no more, I must try :) |
| 01:54.55 | wald0 | deryl: that's a good point!, by other side, not should be a problem that anybody can remove it because its permissions ? |
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| 01:55.27 | deryl | dondelelcaro - such as change the symlink to point to a different set of keys, and if he uses the initial set of keys to push his set and puts them on the account as authorised keys he has access |
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| 01:55.57 | dondelelcaro | deryl: if the attacker can overwrite the symlink, the attacker could overwrite the authorized_keys file |
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| 01:56.06 | dondelelcaro | deryl: there's nothing magical about symlinks in this particular case |
| 01:56.27 | deryl | not saying there is. if he can change where the symlink points TO he can change the set of keys used |
| 01:56.50 | dondelelcaro | deryl: if someone can change where the symlink points to, they could overwrite the authorized_keys file even if it wasn't a symlink. |
| 01:57.14 | deryl | dondelelcaro - yes they could. that's not what I'm saying. |
| 01:57.31 | dondelelcaro | (there's nothing wrong with symlinks, BTW; the usual problem is that you've got the wrong permissions on the place where you've put the symlinks to) |
| 01:57.35 | acidslep | guise, how does i change vga resolution wehn vga=code no werky? |
| 01:57.47 | acidslep | i can only do leik vga=1-6 |
| 01:57.58 | acidslep | so only single digits, not real vga codes. whats up? |
| 01:58.08 | acidslep | default everything, its on a laptop |
| 01:58.09 | deryl | what I am saying is that if they modify the symlink to point to their own set, push the key to the remote host, then point the symlink back to it's original location they now have access to the remote host via their keyset |
| 01:58.23 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: yes, and aparently there's no way to change that |
| 01:58.30 | acidslep | deryl im going to symlink your face :P |
| 01:58.43 | dondelelcaro | deryl: so they could just modify authorized_keys, push the key, then unmodify it. |
| 01:58.46 | deryl | they use the orginal keyset to open a connection :) |
| 01:59.01 | acidslep | how do you _push_ a key? |
| 01:59.14 | acidslep | just sending it and suggesting for use? |
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| 01:59.48 | dondelelcaro | (though in this case, since they've already got access to the local account, modifying authorized_keys is nonsensical) |
| 02:00.07 | wald0 | btw what means the 't' permission part of the /tmp directory ? |
| 02:00.25 | dondelelcaro | wald0: info coreutils 'File Permissions'; |
| 02:00.26 | acidslep | sticky bit bam! |
| 02:00.38 | acidslep | halps with vga you guise! |
| 02:01.14 | acidslep | halps meh! |
| 02:01.23 | acidslep | i cant take the huge fonts anymore! |
| 02:01.55 | teratoma | is there a mbstring package for debian ? |
| 02:02.03 | teratoma | lern2spell |
| 02:02.03 | acidslep | XD |
| 02:02.14 | wald0 | acidslep: what is your problem including a correct vga code ? |
| 02:02.15 | acidslep | wha me? |
| 02:02.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:02.40 | acidslep | well, wald0. it does not seem to let me specify codes i would be able to on other machines |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | !tell teratoma about search |
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| 02:02.43 | abrotman | teratoma: i don't see one |
| 02:02.54 | acidslep | like 791 or whatever, i can only do 0 1 2... 6 |
| 02:02.58 | deryl | dondelelcaro - hehe I was going to go into a lengthy explanation but I wont :) |
| 02:03.14 | wald0 | acidslep: put this on your menu.lst file of grub, or lilo.conf |
| 02:03.22 | wald0 | not in the boot |
| 02:03.32 | acidslep | err, ok? |
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| 02:03.51 | acidslep | it would blow my mind if it behaved any diffrently though |
| 02:03.53 | teratoma | abrotman: yeah neither do i. i am sad. |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:05.04 | acidslep | wald0, is i waiting for something? |
| 02:05.04 | wald0 | gn8 |
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| 02:05.22 | acidslep | >< nate? thats really weird |
| 02:05.22 | wald0 | acidslep: sorry, i dont understand what you mean |
| 02:05.45 | acidslep | ok if i put vga=790 |
| 02:05.51 | acidslep | fails |
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| 02:05.57 | wald0 | 791 ? |
| 02:06.09 | acidslep | anything bigger than 6... |
| 02:06.24 | wald0 | acidslep: which kernel are you using ? |
| 02:06.29 | acidslep | newest? |
| 02:06.35 | wald0 | from debian ? |
| 02:06.38 | acidslep | jar |
| 02:06.46 | acidslep | 2.6.18-6? |
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| 02:06.57 | wald0 | acidslep: it is a old computer ? |
| 02:07.00 | acidslep | jar |
| 02:07.09 | wald0 | maybe your screen can't accept this resolution |
| 02:07.12 | wald0 | tried 788 ? |
| 02:07.20 | acidslep | twill |
| 02:07.46 | wald0 | try 785 too maybe, not sure now... |
| 02:07.47 | acidslep | drums his fingers waiting |
| 02:08.12 | acidslep | cool, 785 worked |
| 02:08.28 | wald0 | perfect :) good night! |
| 02:08.38 | acidslep | g'night mate |
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| 02:12.20 | hatter | i need to add '-d ata' to smartd for it to work, where do i add this for startup ? i have done this but it doesnt work :- 'smartd_opts="--interval=1800 -d ata"' in /etc/default/smartmontools |
| 02:13.35 | Vorbote | hatter try editing /etcinit.d/smartmontools |
| 02:14.27 | Tramp | hatter: /etc/smartd.conf |
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| 02:15.33 | hatter | Tramp, ah thats the one |
| 02:15.44 | Tramp | there can be only one |
| 02:15.57 | hatter | i just watched highlander on the weekend :) |
| 02:16.20 | acidslep | guise |
| 02:16.25 | acidslep | cmatrix no werky >< |
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| 02:16.35 | abrotman | no what? |
| 02:16.40 | acidslep | does not work |
| 02:16.43 | acidslep | :P |
| 02:16.52 | acidslep | like, it does not seem load load matrix.fnt rightly |
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| 02:25.06 | acidslep | fine ill fix it myself |
| 02:25.09 | acidslep | BYE |
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| 02:28.19 | CapaH | I have a peculiar problem, Two machines are on the same network - but when I ssh to one it takes about 10 seconds before I get a password prompt --- any ideas? |
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| 02:28.27 | abrotman | rdns |
| 02:28.35 | CapaH | explain please |
| 02:29.50 | dondelelcaro | CapaH: one of the hosts has a reverse dns which resolves, the other does not |
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| 02:31.53 | JeffH | Is there a way to see the menu.lst file from the grub prompt? |
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| 02:36.34 | mentalmonkey | $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 02:37.33 | abrotman | from grub? |
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| 02:38.59 | JeffH | no.. from the grub bootloader prompt. |
| 02:39.24 | Tramp | JeffH: there is a "cat" command |
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| 02:40.51 | Tramp | JeffH: (available on the grup command-prompt, to clarify) |
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| 02:41.00 | Tramp | s/grup/grub/ |
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| 02:47.20 | JeffH | I screwed up my boot up and I'm not sure how to fix it. |
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| 02:49.08 | adb_ | use a liveCD and reinstall grub "update-grub" |
| 02:49.43 | zeta | i'm getting wodim read errors with cdrecord using cdrecord /dev/cdrom Desktop/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:49.55 | zeta | is there some particular flag i need to pass? |
| 02:50.48 | adb_ | read errors from image or from cd ? |
| 02:50.54 | zeta | from the iso |
| 02:51.03 | zeta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.29 | adb_ | re dld the image |
| 02:52.00 | zeta | 83a907b1c150b9942c5048148b4d6892 is the md5sum |
| 02:52.01 | marvil07 | hi all, anyone knows if glipper have inline search, like klipper ? |
| 02:52.34 | adb_ | apt-cache search klipper |
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| 02:53.12 | marvil07 | adb, ? |
| 02:53.24 | adb_ | ah , nm |
| 02:54.15 | Stratman4300 | is there a MP3 encoder in the Lenny 64-bit repository??? |
| 02:54.26 | Stratman4300 | i'd use oggs but my wife's media player doesn't support them |
| 02:54.44 | Stratman4300 | been looking around... can't seem to find one |
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| 02:55.27 | adb_ | ffmpeg ? |
| 02:57.26 | Stratman4300 | hmmm doesn't explicitly say if it supports mp3 or not..... hmmm.... using grip to rip the cds.... be nice if i can just find the encoder |
| 02:58.21 | dalias | ffmpeg can encode mp3, but only using lame as an external lib |
| 02:58.29 | Tramp | !tell Stratman4300 about dmm |
| 02:58.35 | dalias | and it's not built by default, and probably not included in the debian package |
| 02:58.42 | dalias | just get lame itself |
| 02:58.59 | Stratman4300 | sweet.... thanks guys |
| 03:00.20 | zeta | adb_: didn't work |
| 03:00.22 | zeta | i just DLed |
| 03:00.27 | zeta | again |
| 03:01.42 | adb_ | dalias: apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 03:01.57 | dalias | debian's ffmpeg build is super-crippled |
| 03:02.07 | dalias | and it's really amusing what's included and what's omitted |
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| 03:03.02 | zeta | ok this is pissing me off |
| 03:03.06 | zeta | the netinstd |
| 03:03.14 | zeta | i can't burn it |
| 03:03.15 | zeta | wtf |
| 03:03.30 | zeta | i can't burn etch either as the xorg.conf is beyond fucked up |
| 03:03.45 | adb_ | ffmpeg file.ogg -o file.mp3 |
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| 03:04.24 | zeta | adb can you do an md5sum on debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:05.08 | wols | !tell dalias about dmm |
| 03:05.20 | dalias | :) |
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| 03:06.40 | wols | zeta: you can't burn CDs due to X? novel reasoning there |
| 03:07.00 | zeta | no |
| 03:07.03 | zeta | i meant |
| 03:07.14 | zeta | i cannot burn etch because upon installing of etch my xserv doesn't work |
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| 03:07.37 | adb_ | zeta: MD5SUMS are on repos |
| 03:07.43 | wols | !tell zeta about doesn't work |
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| 03:08.35 | zeta | wols thanks for your smartass comments |
| 03:08.51 | adb_ | zeta: want burn a "etch" with a debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:08.59 | wols | talk less bullshit that makes no sense |
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| 03:09.07 | zeta | put up fucking working isos |
| 03:09.09 | zeta | in the future |
| 03:09.18 | zeta | i told you |
| 03:09.28 | wols | !enter |
| 03:09.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:09.28 | zeta | i can't burn the netinstd version because of input errors |
| 03:09.43 | zeta | the netinstd version of LennyBeta2 |
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| 03:10.46 | zeta | I tried burning the stable isos before, and they can infact be burnt. But upon installing with the stable etch, the X-settings are not configured properly and fruitless browsing for 6 hours and getting flamed by you asshats, it's not worth it. |
| 03:11.36 | adb_ | zeta: file a bug than , but here netinstal LennyBeta2 is ok |
| 03:11.59 | zeta | your cdrecord works? |
| 03:12.04 | adb_ | k3b |
| 03:12.22 | adb_ | i use * |
| 03:13.00 | wols | zeta: can you please curb your language? |
| 03:13.45 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 03:13.55 | zeta | can you please stop being an asshat by using dpkg? |
| 03:14.12 | zeta | i'm really not entertained. |
| 03:14.25 | Orbixx | Not our problem. |
| 03:14.28 | Orbixx | Go moan somewhere else. |
| 03:14.36 | Tetracomm | The video capture card is working with xawtv, but, it looks weird, and I think something is wrong with xawtv, which other video capture programs can you recommend? |
| 03:14.42 | Orbixx | Unless you want to pay one of us to listen. |
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| 03:15.32 | adb_ | Tetracomm: what is your video capture card |
| 03:15.34 | adb_ | ? |
| 03:15.49 | Tetracomm | Ok, I switched it to NTSC and now it looks fine. |
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| 03:17.43 | wols | zeta: If you call me an asshat once more I will call ops. HAND |
| 03:17.50 | zeta | lol ban me |
| 03:17.54 | zeta | see if i care |
| 03:17.57 | zeta | I'm sick of this |
| 03:18.07 | zeta | you're just as guilty |
| 03:18.09 | zeta | as I am |
| 03:18.17 | wols | we're sick of your whining too. especially since you can't tell us what's actually wrong |
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| 03:19.43 | zeta | w/e |
| 03:19.46 | zeta | clearly the wrong distro for me |
| 03:20.23 | Orbixx | Off he goes to Ubuntu. |
| 03:20.30 | adb_ | hehe |
| 03:20.34 | Orbixx | Assuming his problems will immediately disappear. |
| 03:20.39 | wols | and if we're lucky he doesn't come back |
| 03:20.42 | Orbixx | Ubuntu can only cure so much idiocy. |
| 03:21.19 | Orbixx | Does anyone know the reason behind apt-get telling me a package has been "kept back"? |
| 03:21.40 | adb_ | !hold |
| 03:21.40 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 03:21.44 | Orbixx | I assume there's an update for said package, but it has not installed it for a reason of which it does not specify. |
| 03:21.56 | wols | !kept back |
| 03:21.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
| 03:23.07 | Orbixx | How do I check what packages are on hold? |
| 03:23.23 | wols | hold is totally different |
| 03:23.23 | JeffH | what application can I use to see if a simple serial connection is setup correctly? |
| 03:23.44 | wols | JeffH: minicom |
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| 03:26.59 | pts0 | Orbixx, WAY TO READ MAN PAGES, NOOB |
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| 03:27.12 | pts0 | Orbixx, go off to ubuntu now, thanks |
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| 03:27.28 | wols | pts0: please stop that |
| 03:27.40 | pts0 | !ops |
| 03:27.41 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 03:27.45 | pts0 | isn't that the trigger |
| 03:27.56 | Orbixx | If it was, it'd be pretty suicidal for yourself. |
| 03:28.02 | JeffH | if I'm connected to a serial port that is connected properly I should at least be able to move the cursor by entering return, right? |
| 03:28.06 | wols | Orbixx: no feeding |
| 03:28.07 | Orbixx | And it is, you failed to supplement parameters. |
| 03:28.09 | pts0 | !ops Orbixx is being a noob. |
| 03:28.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pts0 complains about: Orbixx is being a noob. |
| 03:28.21 | Orbixx | sighs. |
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| 03:28.29 | Orbixx | Enjoy your warning/ban. |
| 03:28.40 | JeffH | I wonder if I need a null cable. ugg |
| 03:28.52 | wols | JeffH: between 2 serial ports? always |
| 03:29.00 | Orbixx | JeffH: Messing with rs232? |
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| 03:30.34 | JeffH | wols: I have a rs232 <-> usb cable. so I would have thought the crossing would be taken care of. But the cable I have is a male and I have a f/f gender changer so I can connect it to my computer (trying to be able to use a serial console) |
| 03:30.56 | wols | JeffH: male/male? |
| 03:31.00 | wols | the cable I mean |
| 03:31.21 | Orbixx | Well if it's rs232 to usb, it would be, but the only end that matters is the rs232 |
| 03:31.34 | Orbixx | Which is only why he mentioned one gender. |
| 03:31.35 | JeffH | wols: yes |
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| 03:33.37 | JeffH | hm.. minicom says offline. wonder how I make it online. |
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| 03:50.28 | JeffH | anyone here use a serial to usb cable? |
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| 03:54.13 | JeffH | Trying to setup this serial connection is annoying. |
| 03:55.30 | adb_ | first it is a mixed USB/Com , so more difficult for me , never tried tho |
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| 03:56.18 | adb_ | self make a null cable maybe easier |
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| 03:56.31 | adb_ | made* |
| 03:56.58 | enouf | JeffH: try loading usbnet module |
| 03:56.58 | JordiGH | You guys have a recommended method to put signatures on pdfs? I've got it at as a png, and the best idea I have so far is to export the pdf to an image, gimp on the signature, and then export back to uneditable pdf. :-/ |
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| 03:59.15 | Polizei | JordiGH, define ``uneditable'' |
| 03:59.42 | JordiGH | Polizei: It's a pdf form. If I edit back to PDF from the Gimp or wherver, I'll probably lose the forms, at least for the page on which I put the signature. |
| 04:00.30 | Polizei | well, yes, if you import just an image to the pdf, it will be some kind of uneditable, but... whats the point? |
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| 04:01.03 | JordiGH | Polizei: Uhm. I want to put a signature on a pdf. I have the signature as a png. I don't know how to overlay images on PDFs. Do you? |
| 04:01.40 | Polizei | no idea... |
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| 04:02.14 | pythetic | wwlr? |
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| 04:02.54 | JordiGH | Polizei: Right, so my idea is to export the whole page I care about as an image... I edit that image in the gimp... I export back to pdf... I cat it all together with pdftk. |
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| 04:03.49 | Polizei | sounds nice... although, i |
| 04:03.49 | JeffH | Is there a way to re-initialize the network system without rebooting? |
| 04:04.00 | Polizei | i've seen some .php classes for generating pdfs, some java too |
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| 04:04.08 | JordiGH | JeffH: ifdown the-interface && ifup the-interface? |
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| 04:04.19 | Polizei | JeffH, sudo ifduwn -a && sudo ifup -a |
| 04:04.22 | Polizei | ifdown * |
| 04:04.28 | adb_ | JeffH: out of curious, what do you try to connect to your pc ? |
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| 04:05.39 | batcoder-7 | whats the easiest way to build and make a debian package ? |
| 04:05.40 | JeffH | adb_: usually via network.. but right now via a monitor/keyboard. |
| 04:05.42 | batcoder-7 | from source |
| 04:06.25 | adb_ | ah two pc , than |
| 04:07.03 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: do you want to make a real Debian package that follows Debian policy or do you just want to make a quick package that dpkg will know how to install and uninstall? |
| 04:08.16 | enouf | JordiGH: flimsel or thereabouts |
| 04:08.33 | JordiGH | enouf: You mean flpsed? |
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| 04:13.37 | enouf | JordiGH: yeah |
| 04:13.56 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah, it looks like that thing only lets you type stuff, not doodle over the document. :-/ |
| 04:14.00 | enouf | i can't seem to reach the site |
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| 04:16.07 | nnts | hello, I've done "apt-get upgrade", everything seems nice and dandy except that tab completion doesn't work either for apt-get nor man, any ideas how to get it working again? |
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| 04:17.20 | nnts | is it some package missing or a simple setting I need to change in shell? |
| 04:17.55 | adb_ | !tabcompletion |
| 04:18.03 | adb_ | !completion |
| 04:18.35 | JordiGH | nnts: /etc/bash_completion needs to have the appropriate definitions... It might have gotten screwed up. |
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| 04:19.59 | nnts | JordiGH: I see |
| 04:20.36 | nnts | JordiGH: definitions for apt-get and man seem to be there, maybe I'll try replacing the file with and "example" bash_completion |
| 04:20.36 | Phulion | http://www.sexy-lena.com/en/?uid=29846 |
| 04:21.00 | JeffH | nice. I finally have wireless up for my server. |
| 04:21.10 | adb_ | Phulion: stop do that ! |
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| 04:21.32 | JordiGH | Pornspamming. |
| 04:21.40 | JordiGH | (I thought it was image-processing-Lena). |
| 04:22.05 | adb_ | it 's for a second time |
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| 04:22.20 | adb_ | times* |
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| 04:28.17 | JeffH | I've got my wireless card working in linux but it seems its connected at wireless-g speeds, but its a wireless-n card. Is there a setting I've missed? |
| 04:28.33 | enouf | meh, stupid url filters at the router (too non-specific) .. no porbs now :-P |
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| 04:30.27 | ameyer | JeffH: you probably have a wireless g router or don't have a strong enough signal to do n |
| 04:30.38 | wols | JeffH: no. -n modes are not supported |
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| 04:30.44 | wols | there is no N standard either btw |
| 04:30.58 | JeffH | wols: okay. haha okay |
| 04:31.06 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 04:31.26 | JeffH | I don't think I mentioned anything about 'standard' anyway. |
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| 04:33.32 | JeffH | hm.. I'm getting an odd message in /var/log/messages. It says 'CIFS VFS: server not responding' and 'CIFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 7' |
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| 04:35.42 | JeffH | what does not being a standard have to do with not being supported in Linux? |
| 04:38.54 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: i want ot compile debain 2.6.1 and install it |
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| 04:40.48 | JeffH | what's the latest version of Linux Kernel? |
| 04:40.49 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Uhm, rephrase that. There is no Debian 2.6.1. |
| 04:40.59 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Do you mean Linux 2.6.1? |
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| 04:41.09 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: sorry no, its late gimp 2.6.1 ;) |
| 04:41.14 | batcoder-7 | i am using Lenny |
| 04:41.21 | adk | JeffH: i believe the latest stable version is 2.6.27 |
| 04:41.44 | batcoder-7 | leny is still using lenny 2.4.x |
| 04:41.48 | JeffH | Is that the one that includes the ath9k driver? |
| 04:42.00 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Oh. So try checkinstall. |
| 04:42.26 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Or you could try the 2.6.1 package from experimental. |
| 04:42.59 | JordiGH | wonders if 2.6.1 is unstable enough for experimental or if they're abusing the meaning of "experimental" again due to freeze time. |
| 04:43.23 | adk | JeffH: I think so, I know I am using ath5k which has been included in the later revisions |
| 04:43.40 | JeffH | I just found out that ath9k supports the wireless-n. |
| 04:44.03 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: what would be easier ? :P |
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| 04:44.36 | adk | JeffH: is your card an atheros AR9XXX? |
| 04:44.38 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Probably the experimental package. Even if it drags other dependencies. |
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| 04:45.20 | JeffH | adk: no, looks like AR5418 |
| 04:45.29 | enouf | hrm .. Add ath9k: Atheros IEEE 802.11n driver for AR5008 and AR9001 family of chipsets (commit) |
| 04:45.34 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: I just did "aptitude -s install -t experimental gimp", it seems all it drags is other gimp libraries that you could easily downgrade back to lenny. |
| 04:45.39 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: i have never installed a package from a higher version then i was using |
| 04:45.42 | batcoder-7 | where can i dl it ? |
| 04:45.43 | JeffH | or 5416, I'm not quite sure which. |
| 04:45.48 | adk | JeffH: should be ok |
| 04:45.54 | JordiGH | !tell batcoder-7 about experimental |
| 04:46.09 | JeffH | should be okay for what |
| 04:46.13 | JeffH | ? |
| 04:46.36 | adk | JeffH: if you try the later kernel versions which include the driver, it should work with your card |
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| 04:46.57 | JeffH | adk: will it work with wireless-n or just wireless-g? |
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| 04:47.31 | batcoder-7 | is hte gimp 2.6.1 package trustworthy JordiGH ? |
| 04:48.20 | adk | JeffH: not sure, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k seems to indicate that it has 802.11n support though... |
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| 04:48.25 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: I don't know. If it's in experimental, it's supposed to be very unstable. But I've seen DDs abuse the meaning of experimental during freeze time because they want a specific version of a package to go into lenny, not a higher one, so they upload to experimental instead of unstable. |
| 04:48.35 | JeffH | adk: yeah, that's what I read. |
| 04:48.53 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: i mean its not malicious is it |
| 04:48.55 | batcoder-7 | i mean hmmm |
| 04:49.00 | batcoder-7 | should i just compile it myself or hm |
| 04:49.03 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Oh, it's certainly not malicious. |
| 04:49.20 | JordiGH | Experimental doesn't mean, "we're gonna install a virus on your Debian." |
| 04:49.29 | JordiGH | It goes through the same validation process as the rest of Debian. |
| 04:49.38 | batcoder-7 | ah |
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| 04:50.01 | batcoder-7 | damn it requires tons of new depencies |
| 04:50.03 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Meaning, it also checks md5sums and gpg signatures. |
| 04:50.05 | adk | JeffH: what driver are you using right now? |
| 04:50.15 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Oh, it only required a few here. Sorry. |
| 04:50.17 | JeffH | adk: the madwifi ath_pci |
| 04:50.35 | batcoder-7 | about 10 here JordiGH |
| 04:50.59 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Check where those packages are coming from. 10 experimental packages? I'd get nervous. |
| 04:51.07 | batcoder-7 | what do you thin kthe best way to get htis installed is JordiGH, if i compile i will have ot compiel all those depencies right ? |
| 04:51.14 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: yes. |
| 04:51.25 | JordiGH | Gimp is a large one. It probably is gonna be a bitch to compile. |
| 04:51.32 | batcoder-7 | it is all experiminetal BUT its mostly stuff for gimp |
| 04:51.35 | batcoder-7 | nothing system wide wise |
| 04:52.29 | JordiGH | No "libgtk" or anything like that? |
| 04:52.30 | adk | JeffH: http://www.mail-archive.com/madwifi-tickets@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06669.html this seems to be somewhat relevant |
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| 04:52.54 | batcoder-7 | how can i install those depencies easy ? without having to edito my sources.list ? |
| 04:52.57 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: nope |
| 04:53.09 | Logyati | Hello! |
| 04:53.10 | batcoder-7 | just a newer version of python-gtk but i am sure its fine |
| 04:53.20 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Uh, just edit your sources.list. Or you can effectively do the same and another source in sources.d |
| 04:53.35 | JeffH | where did ath5k make its entry? |
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| 04:53.53 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: change it from lenny to testing ? |
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| 04:54.14 | henson | I want to install icewm on my text-based system. Do I install xorg, or xorg-server? |
| 04:54.16 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: No, leave it as lenny if you wish. Just add a new line for experimental. |
| 04:54.27 | adb | lenny == testing |
| 04:54.35 | batcoder-7 | whcih gimp will it install then ? |
| 04:54.35 | adk | JeffH: hhm? |
| 04:54.35 | batcoder-7 | sorry |
| 04:54.35 | JordiGH | adb: ... for now |
| 04:54.35 | batcoder-7 | sid |
| 04:54.46 | mmlj4 | henson: install icewm, everything else ought to be installed automagically for you |
| 04:54.55 | JeffH | just wondering what kernel version ath5k made its appearance. |
| 04:55.02 | batcoder-7 | i would use a 2.4 of gimp but theres some major stuff added to 2.6 |
| 04:55.11 | henson | mmlj4: just never had aptitude pickup on xorg, but i'll try |
| 04:55.19 | liable | 24 in debian, 25 in main iirc |
| 04:55.26 | adk | JeffH: Dunno offhand, it cant have been too long ago |
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| 04:55.34 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Add a new line for experimental. do aptitude -s install -t experimental gimp to do a test run. If it seems like aptitude doesn't want to completely destroy your system and you're ready for the risk of installing experimental packages, go for it. Bear in mind that undoing this and installing the lenny packages may be difficult. |
| 04:55.36 | liable | JeffH: check the kernel changelog |
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| 04:55.43 | Logyati | JeffH: 2.6.27 |
| 04:55.53 | liable | Logyati: wrong |
| 04:55.54 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 04:55.55 | Logyati | #i think |
| 04:56.18 | liable | its in 26 now, and was in debian 24 iirc |
| 04:56.44 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: by most distro standard im sure sid is considered stable |
| 04:57.11 | henson | ok.. i'm trying xserver-xorg-core and icewm, hopefully that's all i'll need |
| 04:58.01 | JeffH | Is there a way to get a binary package for Etch of kernel 2.6.27? |
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| 04:58.33 | adk | I dont think the kernel source has been made into a deb yet for linux-source-2.6.27, I looked awhile ago |
| 04:58.38 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Not for Debian. We like our stability. And this is one reason why Ubuntu sucks. ;-) |
| 04:59.02 | adk | and i would imagine the same for an image |
| 04:59.04 | liable | JeffH: if you are after wireless drivers for an older kernel, see compat-wireless package at linuxwireless.org |
| 04:59.16 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: for some reason its not wanting to work, that aptitude thing hmmmm |
| 04:59.28 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y |
| 04:59.28 | batcoder-7 | Would download/install/remove packages. |
| 04:59.33 | batcoder-7 | ver awkward |
| 04:59.39 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Oh, because it's on -s mode. |
| 04:59.44 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: simulate |
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| 05:00.08 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: You shouldn't be running arbitrary commands I tell you as root if you don't know what they mean!!! |
| 05:00.22 | JordiGH | !shoot batcoder-7 |
| 05:00.23 | dpkg | blows batcoder-7 away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 05:00.45 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 05:00.57 | batcoder-7 | i didn't really know anything about simulate JordiGH |
| 05:01.15 | batcoder-7 | i mean it looks fine btw |
| 05:01.19 | batcoder-7 | should i run it without -s ? |
| 05:01.22 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Don't run commands as root without understanding them. Bad, very bad! |
| 05:01.26 | JordiGH | Yeah, just remove -s. |
| 05:01.44 | batcoder-7 | it was just pulling in some gimp depencies no system wide stuff |
| 05:01.55 | JordiGH | The -s thing was just a safety measure. |
| 05:02.51 | batcoder-7 | thats wierd it can't connect to ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 05:03.36 | batcoder-7 | is that mirror down or something ? |
| 05:03.43 | adk | hm, different repo time? |
| 05:04.04 | batcoder-7 | crap |
| 05:04.09 | batcoder-7 | connection test |
| 05:04.11 | adk | though it worked for me |
| 05:04.11 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 05:04.15 | batcoder-7 | ah ok |
| 05:04.34 | adk | batcoder-7: i use that mirror and I am not having problems atm |
| 05:04.39 | batcoder-7 | tell me why ping nintendo.com doesnt work wierd |
| 05:04.59 | batcoder-7 | and when i goto ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/ that doesnt work for me either |
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| 05:05.25 | batcoder-7 | i dont get whats happeneing like port 80 is not working or something |
| 05:05.36 | enouf | just power cycle your router |
| 05:05.38 | batcoder-7 | its like I have no connection right now but for some reason this is still working |
| 05:06.50 | batcoder-7 | hate hwne htis happens |
| 05:07.15 | batcoder-7 | power cycle time |
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| 05:20.09 | ``y7 | i just setup firestarter firewall on my debian machine. i already have 800 inbound events in less than 10 minutes. is this normal? |
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| 05:30.57 | JeffH | I just compiled kernel image 2.6.27-rc5 to a deb file, but when I try to install it it says 'Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-rc5wireless)' |
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| 05:37.40 | Sazpaimon | anyone ever set up debian on a 1and1 server |
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| 05:53.49 | f00li5h | is there a way to find out which answers I gave the installer when i installed debian (all those eons ago)? |
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| 05:59.10 | liable | f00li5h: not really, some questions, look in /var/log/installer/syslog |
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| 05:59.48 | f00li5h | hrm, I was kinda hoping to pre-seed an installer with the old answers... since I don't have any real infrastructure management stuff yet |
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| 06:00.26 | f00li5h | liable: what am I looking for specifically in there? |
| 06:00.44 | liable | f00li5h: you can see the answer to some questions, not all |
| 06:01.08 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 06:01.18 | enouf | eons? the installer has changex |
| 06:01.21 | f00li5h | i guess i'll have to get out a note pad and some crayons and do another install |
| 06:01.28 | enouf | *changed |
| 06:01.32 | f00li5h | pesky. |
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| 06:06.19 | buu | Hrm. Pesky problem. I'm doing this: $ perl tmp.pl |
| 06:06.20 | buu | bash: /usr/local/bin/perl: No such file or directory |
| 06:06.35 | buu | However, which perl returns /usr/bin/perl |
| 06:07.46 | enouf | because /usr/local/bin comes first in your echo $PATH |
| 06:08.09 | enouf | try whereis |
| 06:08.49 | buu | z$ whereis perl |
| 06:08.49 | buu | perl: /usr/bin/perl /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/local/lib/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz |
| 06:09.07 | buu | I briefly had a usr/local/bin/perl, but I deleted it. |
| 06:09.12 | buu | Anyway, I just killed the shell. Oh well. |
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| 06:10.35 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a tool to see which repo a package is provided by? |
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| 06:11.37 | enouf | apt-cache policy |
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| 06:12.42 | k-os | or under 'origins' in synaptic |
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| 06:13.46 | enouf | or in aptitude (atleast to some degree) |
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| 06:16.00 | blast_hardcheese | For some reason I don't have nvidia-kernel-source in my repos |
| 06:16.21 | blast_hardcheese | ah, I bet it's another deficiency of Debian PPC |
| 06:16.37 | blast_hardcheese | there are a couple packages I would have expected to be available in PPC that weren't |
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| 06:17.23 | k-os | like? |
| 06:17.38 | blast_hardcheese | nvidia-kernel-source :) |
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| 06:19.55 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel-source&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all yeah, no ppc there, only amd64 and i386 |
| 06:20.06 | blast_hardcheese | :( |
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| 06:20.36 | blast_hardcheese | My card is probably decently supported by the free drivers, it's a GeForce? 430 Go |
| 06:20.55 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, GeForce4 440 Go |
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| 06:21.27 | enouf | sure, yep |
| 06:21.31 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, crap, nv doesn't support 3d. |
| 06:21.33 | blast_hardcheese | bah. |
| 06:21.38 | enouf | nope |
| 06:22.23 | k-os | blast_hardcheese, have you tried with nvidia's own drivers? |
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| 06:22.41 | blast_hardcheese | I'm going to try that now, if they exist |
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| 06:23.14 | blast_hardcheese | Which they don't |
| 06:23.18 | blast_hardcheese | what crap |
| 06:23.44 | k-os | ? |
| 06:23.55 | Octalot | not for PPC? |
| 06:24.07 | blast_hardcheese | neg |
| 06:24.12 | blast_hardcheese | which means I'm boned |
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| 06:25.05 | blast_hardcheese | I hope unaccelerated video is good enough for mkv |
| 06:26.24 | JeffH | wonder how long this kernel compile is going to take |
| 06:26.29 | enouf | great co that nvidia eh? |
| 06:26.39 | enouf | cares about their users alright |
| 06:26.47 | blast_hardcheese | and doesn't afraid of anything |
| 06:27.21 | blast_hardcheese | unfortunately their cards are awesome |
| 06:27.29 | enouf | no, they suck |
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| 06:28.03 | Octalot | for values of awesome including "crash occasionally with the official drivers" |
| 06:28.30 | blast_hardcheese | I've never had the official drivers crash under linux |
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| 06:29.18 | Supaplex | I've had them crash a few times, when I'm switching to and from the console. |
| 06:29.30 | blast_hardcheese | I always wanted nvidia cards when I was on ATI, |
| 06:29.39 | blast_hardcheese | this is the first time I wish I had an ATI card :D |
| 06:29.42 | deface | ati is ass in linux |
| 06:29.52 | Supaplex | 169.09-1 but that's a touch old now. |
| 06:30.08 | blast_hardcheese | deface: but it has the possibility of getting better |
| 06:30.17 | deface | not likely |
| 06:30.23 | blast_hardcheese | No? |
| 06:30.24 | deface | amd is hurting for $ |
| 06:30.31 | blast_hardcheese | oh well there's that. |
| 06:30.32 | deface | loosing big time :( |
| 06:30.38 | blast_hardcheese | Intel and AMD both blow though |
| 06:30.42 | blast_hardcheese | I miss powerpc |
| 06:30.57 | deface | my only ppc is my old g5 |
| 06:31.04 | deface | dual 2ghz ppc w/ 10gb ram |
| 06:31.12 | blast_hardcheese | ah, I couldn't stand the G5s, actually. |
| 06:31.20 | deface | great box |
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| 06:31.21 | blast_hardcheese | My favorite was the g4 |
| 06:31.46 | streuner_ | Is geforce 7050 supported (nv) or only nvidia work for this videocard? |
| 06:31.56 | Octalot | nvidia: forced upgrades due to incompatibility with the latest kernel (OK, that happens) makes worse the high varience in both stability and performance between releases. |
| 06:32.14 | blast_hardcheese | I've got two G4 towers, a 433mhz DP and a 533mhz DP, both outperform the 3.0ghz P4 that we've got a work |
| 06:32.18 | deface | streuner_: it may be under the legacy drivers |
| 06:32.24 | deface | take a look at the supported cards |
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| 06:32.44 | deface | blast_hardcheese: what os are they all running ? |
| 06:32.52 | Octalot | streuner_: if that's a GeForce7 then it's supported by the current drivers, not the legacy ones |
| 06:32.55 | streuner_ | deface: sure, nvidia-glx supports 7050, but iam not sure about nv |
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| 06:33.26 | Octalot | ignore my previous comment, misread your question |
| 06:33.28 | blast_hardcheese | deface: I'm a recent full debian convert, I had them running 10.4 but I'm transitioning everything to Debian |
| 06:33.55 | deface | ah |
| 06:33.57 | blast_hardcheese | I've got Debian on the 533 and it flys |
| 06:34.09 | deface | mines running leopard - 10.5.5 atm |
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| 06:34.24 | deface | but im a gentoo man .. have a few debian boxes |
| 06:34.29 | blast_hardcheese | We've got another 7xxmhz G4 DP at the office, that one is amazingly fast |
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| 06:34.58 | Supaplex | has 2 ps3s and a 1ghz g4ibook for ppc-madness |
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| 06:37.34 | blast_hardcheese | I had hoped to get compiz running on this 12" Powerbook G4, |
| 06:37.48 | blast_hardcheese | (the most sexy laptop Apple has ever made, as far as I'm concerned. |
| 06:37.54 | enouf | streuner_: wiki.x.org might know? debian-x on other network would |
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| 06:44.39 | deface | anyone have debian running in a xen guest ? |
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| 06:45.04 | Supaplex | deface: I have before |
| 06:45.11 | Ash-Fox | What could I execute to make a message popup (using say, via a cronjob) from another account to my KDE3 desktop? |
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| 06:45.34 | deface | wall |
| 06:46.16 | Ash-Fox | deface, executing 'echo hi | wall' seems to do nothing. |
| 06:46.30 | webPragmatist | is there some sort of mail log reader that i can use to view a time period |
| 06:46.38 | deface | webPragmatist: grep |
| 06:46.55 | deface | Ash-Fox: you'll probably need to jump on the good ol' dbus to get a message to your xsession |
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| 06:47.41 | gane | is there any command to grasp the grub output to any file |
| 06:47.50 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: less. use / to match a time. eg, /^6:33 |
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| 06:48.15 | webPragmatist | less reads .gz right |
| 06:48.23 | siji | Hi |
| 06:48.24 | Supaplex | zless |
| 06:48.25 | deface | zgrep/zcat |
| 06:48.27 | streuner_ | zless |
| 06:48.28 | deface | zless .. etc |
| 06:48.36 | siji | IS anybody from IIT Chennai is available here |
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| 06:50.22 | Supaplex | !bore siji |
| 06:50.22 | dpkg | "siji, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 06:50.40 | gane | is there any command to grasp the grub output to any file |
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| 06:51.05 | webPragmatist | Supaplex: so zless mail.* /^Oct 20* or something ? |
| 06:51.16 | siji | dpkg,Supaplex |
| 06:51.17 | dpkg | hmm... supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 06:51.47 | siji | I would like to know what are the minimum requirement for starting Debain Mirror Server |
| 06:51.54 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: zcat mail.*gz | grep -i "Oct 20" | less |
| 06:52.27 | deface | > output.log |
| 06:52.53 | cahoot | zgrep? |
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| 06:53.25 | deface | yah |
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| 06:54.21 | deface | for just about every command, there is a zcommand |
| 06:55.00 | webPragmatist | that didn't work |
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| 06:55.32 | deface | webPragmatist: really depends on how your mta logs are written, for what your trying to grep |
| 06:55.38 | deface | what mta do u use ? |
| 06:55.48 | webPragmatist | i mean it's "Oct 20*" |
| 06:55.56 | webPragmatist | per line |
| 06:56.29 | webPragmatist | actually nm the date i am looking for is not ziped heh |
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| 06:57.33 | webPragmatist | thanks though :) |
| 06:57.51 | JeffH | This kernel is taking forever to build. |
| 06:58.39 | JeffH | Is Lenny the testing version of Debian? |
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| 06:58.57 | deface | nope |
| 06:59.38 | DavidMJ | I added the experimental repository to my sources.list but aptitude's safe-upgrade will not upgrade to the experimental packages. what should I do if I want to upgrade to experimental packages |
| 06:59.39 | DavidMJ | ? |
| 06:59.58 | wols | JeffH: it is currently |
| 07:00.02 | deface | apt > aptitude |
| 07:00.03 | apt | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 07:00.09 | JeffH | thanks wols |
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| 07:00.58 | wols | DavidMJ: you can't upgrade to it |
| 07:01.34 | DavidMJ | wols: it lets me upgrade to an experimental package if it resolves some dependency though |
| 07:02.03 | gane | is there any command to grasp the grub output to any file |
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| 07:04.43 | deface | gane: you mean during the boot process ? |
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| 07:04.59 | gane | deface, no |
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| 07:05.15 | deface | please be more specific then |
| 07:05.38 | gane | deface, after entering into the grub prompt if run find comand there , that output i wwant in a file |
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| 07:05.57 | deface | yeah, highlight it |
| 07:06.09 | deface | then middle mouse click in a new file |
| 07:06.28 | gane | deface, find /boot/grub/stage2 this output i want in a file |
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| 07:06.51 | deface | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.02 | deface | find /boot/grub/stage2 > filename |
| 07:07.19 | gane | deface, have you tried anytime this in grub prompt |
| 07:07.28 | cast | cat: /etc/fstab: Input/output error |
| 07:07.35 | deface | ouch |
| 07:07.36 | gane | deface, the above will not work |
| 07:07.40 | cast | yeah....might do a new install |
| 07:08.00 | deface | cast: file /etc/fsatb |
| 07:08.01 | deface | fstab * |
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| 07:08.22 | deface | gane: still not sure what you really want - you want to copy the output of a command to a file? in this case grub/stage2 ? |
| 07:08.51 | gane | deface, you are correct but from grub prompt |
| 07:08.58 | deface | no |
| 07:09.19 | deface | stage2 is a bootloader file .. not able to view it's contents |
| 07:09.32 | deface | and cat is not part of grub |
| 07:09.43 | deface | so no way to view it or save/record any output from it |
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| 07:11.40 | deface | gane: what exactly do you need out of the grub prompt? why do you think you need to grab its output ? |
| 07:12.14 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
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| 07:20.30 | gane | deface, is it possible to send a value console to grub prompt |
| 07:21.28 | gane | deface, my exact need is to get the no. of hard disk |
| 07:21.45 | deface | fdisk -l ? |
| 07:21.48 | wols | and why do you need grub for that? |
| 07:22.25 | gane | wols, is the second hard disk contain grub or not |
| 07:23.26 | gane | deface, i passed value from console to grub prompt but iam not able to get the output from grub prompt |
| 07:23.29 | wols | what do you define as "contain grub"? which stage? |
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| 07:23.43 | wols | gane: what you want has nothing to do with grub |
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| 07:24.18 | wols | you are not telling us why you want to do what you ask |
| 07:24.31 | wols | until you tell us your real goal we cannot help you |
| 07:24.45 | gane | wols, i am making gui tool to get the output from from grub & show to user , these are the hard disk contain grub.. |
| 07:25.11 | wols | what "output"? |
| 07:25.18 | wols | and why would a user care? |
| 07:25.52 | gane | wols, by that way , the user just enter his required partition , it will update the grub.. |
| 07:25.53 | wols | gane: what debian version do you run gane? |
| 07:26.02 | gane | wols, lenny |
| 07:26.09 | bunnyto | thats the stupid part, a user wants to be root as well |
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| 07:26.22 | wols | bunnyto: the whole sceme is exceedingly stupid |
| 07:26.42 | stevedondley | any fastcgi gurus out there? I'm getting sporadic Internal Server Errors on some of my site on a shared server. Reloading apache fixes the problem but some sites crash again after a little while. Log file of sites that crashed say: (2)No such file or directory: FastCGI: failed to connect to (dynamic) server "/home/utu782/cgi-bin/php4": something is seriously wrong, any chance the socket/named_pipe |
| 07:26.44 | stevedondley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:27.07 | gane | wols, if the grub has gone he can use this tool |
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| 07:27.30 | wols | gane: wrong |
| 07:27.37 | gane | wols, to install the grub as well as he can set the grub.. |
| 07:27.52 | mandrake_ | What's the standard crontab entry for cron.hourly? |
| 07:28.12 | gane | wols, what wrong i am not getting |
| 07:28.14 | wols | mandrake_: there is none. it all depends what you have installed |
| 07:28.23 | mandrake_ | what is yours? |
| 07:28.31 | wols | gane: no grub, no linux boot. the end |
| 07:28.51 | gane | wols, not clear |
| 07:29.33 | wols | if grub is gone you can't boot your debian. what you're gonna do then? |
| 07:30.09 | mandrake_ | ok, whats the initial crontab entry for cron.hourly? |
| 07:30.45 | deface | boot to rescue, and re-grub |
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| 07:31.05 | wols | deface: when you "boot on rescue" how do you do it? what parameters do you give it? |
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| 07:32.23 | deface | grub <enter> |
| 07:32.29 | deface | root (hd0,0) |
| 07:32.31 | deface | setup (hd0) |
| 07:32.33 | deface | exit |
| 07:32.46 | wols | !paste |
| 07:32.46 | deface | assuming thats the booting drive |
| 07:32.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 07:32.47 | gane | wols, leave these things , is it possible to copy the output of grub prompt to text file or not |
| 07:32.55 | deface | that wasn't a paste ;) |
| 07:33.00 | deface | i type a book a minute |
| 07:33.07 | gane | deface, these things i knew |
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| 07:33.28 | wols | gane: I won't leave. of course it's possible. it's also a stupid idea. goodbye |
| 07:33.51 | deface | wols: how do you capture the output of grub's prompts ? |
| 07:33.58 | deface | i cant think of a way |
| 07:34.11 | gane | wols, please tell the way |
| 07:34.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.56 | deface | wow, we're not 12 |
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| 07:35.35 | gane | deface, to whom u r answering |
| 07:35.48 | deface | wols, with his childish /ignore comment |
| 07:36.06 | deface | newhoo, its late .. time for some sleep |
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| 07:36.28 | deface | gane, i honestly can't think of anyway to capture the output, once your inside the grub prompt |
| 07:36.30 | mandrake_ | whats the policy for debian packages changing any configuration files? |
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| 07:37.05 | gane | deface, no .. it is possible check the man grub |
| 07:37.07 | deface | gane: but then again i've never really played around much once inside grub |
| 07:37.14 | JeffH | any idea when a 2.6.27 kernel binary package will be available? |
| 07:37.39 | gane | deface, through that only i have passed a value from concole to grub |
| 07:37.51 | ThinkTANK | what is the differend b/w a .tar.gz and a .gz file? |
| 07:38.12 | deface | tar isn't a compression |
| 07:38.19 | gane | ThinkTANK, compression algorithms |
| 07:38.40 | wols | tar.gz is a compressed tar file. gz is just a compressed file |
| 07:38.49 | gane | ThinkTANK, google it |
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| 07:40.05 | mandrake_ | perl pies allowed with no comment notice? |
| 07:40.25 | cahoot | JeffH: it already is |
| 07:40.28 | jelly-home | mandrake_: http://packages.debian.org/etch/ucf, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files |
| 07:40.37 | mandrake_ | thanks you jelly |
| 07:40.48 | jelly-home | mandrake_: (that's Re: config files) |
| 07:40.49 | JeffH | cahoot: know where I can get it? |
| 07:40.56 | JeffH | for etch that is... |
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| 07:48.27 | cast | hmmm, lost /etc/shadow now |
| 07:48.52 | cast | how do i stop kernel messages flooding my tty? makes it almost unusable |
| 07:49.05 | JeffH | so where can I find an etch .deb file for the 2.6.27 kernel? |
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| 07:49.37 | jelly-home | JeffH: uh, wait for a backport or build it by yourself? |
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| 07:51.13 | ThinkTANK | hrm |
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| 07:51.26 | ThinkTANK | is it possible to see if my box is blocking outgoing udp packets or not? |
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| 07:51.44 | jelly-home | cast: sysctl -w 'kernel.printk=4 4 1 7' or 7 4 1 7 |
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| 07:51.58 | Zapelius | anyone know if there are any strange limitations/restrictions/anything in having a ssh pipe open 24/7 from wash-dc to europe ? |
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| 07:52.22 | Zapelius | the connection works fine for a few secs, but then is limited to some 0.005kb/s or so.. |
| 07:52.38 | simonrvn | *ordinarily*, no |
| 07:52.53 | jelly-home | cast: man 5 proc for an explanation |
| 07:53.06 | Zapelius | too hard encryption and those security-guys don't like it? |
| 07:53.13 | ameyer | shrug |
| 07:53.15 | simonrvn | i've had similar things open across an ocean for days |
| 07:53.36 | ameyer | some ISPs throttle all encrypted traffic to fight encrypted bittorrent |
| 07:53.44 | simonrvn | i like 3 4 1 7 |
| 07:54.24 | joltcan | Zapelius: No, unless your ISP is really really stupid, then no |
| 07:54.25 | jelly-home | I have to resort to rtfm to even remember what the numbers are |
| 07:54.26 | Zapelius | ISP is verizon at wash-dc |
| 07:54.55 | ameyer | thinks MITM would probably work better until the P2P developers switched to some sort of certificate authority-style setup |
| 07:54.57 | joltcan | Zapelius: Should work out of the box |
| 07:55.01 | simonrvn | me too, but i know the first one affects console whateveritis directly |
| 07:55.07 | ThinkTANK | is it possible to see if my box is blocking outgoing udp packets or not? |
| 07:55.11 | ameyer | Zapelius: what about the ISP on the other end? |
| 07:55.31 | mandrake_ | would any packsge be allowed to include a postinstall script, changing any configuration files without at least noticing with a pound? |
| 07:55.33 | joltcan | works at a company that develop DPI equipment, so I can assure you that just encrypting stuff doesn't matter |
| 07:55.34 | ameyer | or, for that matter, the ISP(s?) with the underwater pipe |
| 07:55.44 | simonrvn | mine doesn't suck ;) |
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| 07:56.21 | Zapelius | its our server that is practically connected to the finnish backbone |
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| 07:56.53 | ameyer | joltcan: so, DPI equipment now brute-forces encrypted stuff quickly? That's impressive. |
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| 07:57.13 | ameyer | or, more likely, looks for a pattern of connections and/or MITMs bittorrent |
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| 07:57.48 | joltcan | ameyer: No, we don't need to. We identify the streams and see that it is encrypted bittorrent |
| 07:57.52 | joltcan | or encrypted whatever |
| 07:58.04 | joltcan | then we throttle or shape it |
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| 07:58.32 | jelly-home | ThinkTANK: tcpdump shows the incoming packets that reach the network card even if they're blocked by iptables; I'm not sure if the same applies to outgoing |
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| 07:58.45 | ameyer | I wouldn't think you could tell from the streams what it was, other than "encrypted something" |
| 07:58.52 | joltcan | the behavior of the streams is often enough to identify them, so we have behaviour markers |
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| 07:59.11 | ameyer | although the high amount of open connections would probably suggest something p2p was going on |
| 07:59.14 | joltcan | ameyer: Na, we have support for encrypted bittorrent, edonkey and so on |
| 08:00.03 | Zapelius | I don't even need much of bandwith, 10kb/s would be fine. the connection is used for control messages only. that sucks :( |
| 08:00.52 | ameyer | is it possible that one end of the connection is ridiculously saturated? |
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| 08:01.40 | joltcan | Zapelius: Tried different keep-alive settings? |
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| 08:01.49 | enouf | cast kernel.printk setting won't help |
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| 08:02.36 | Zapelius | joltcan, not yet |
| 08:02.45 | ameyer | there also theoretically could be some sort of network issue between the US and Europe |
| 08:02.50 | ameyer | or a messed-up router |
| 08:03.14 | Zapelius | but there is no troughput anyway after connection init (login), none. |
| 08:03.56 | ameyer | sounds like some sort of keepalive fail? |
| 08:04.18 | Zapelius | after having a break trying, it works for a few seconds again. it worked yesterday fine |
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| 08:05.01 | Deepy | I accidently hit sbreak and irssi closed [1]+ Stopped irssi |
| 08:05.06 | Deepy | How do I get it back? |
| 08:05.12 | simonrvn | fg |
| 08:05.24 | funyun | i'm trying to make and install something but i keept getting these errors. "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." and "make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop." |
| 08:05.27 | funyun | anyone know why? |
| 08:05.54 | mandrake_ | because you are not in the right directory, funyun |
| 08:05.57 | SlayerXP | funyun: at a guess, i reckon that you didn't specify a make target and no makefile was found. |
| 08:06.12 | jelly-home | SlayerXP: nowai! |
| 08:06.17 | Deepy | Thanks |
| 08:06.21 | enouf | jelly-home: um, kernel.printk settings doesn't control messages to tty as cast asked about |
| 08:06.46 | simonrvn | !printk |
| 08:06.47 | dpkg | i heard printk is see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 08:06.53 | jelly-home | enouf: helped me with some usb-related flood a while ago |
| 08:06.53 | wols | funyun: missing makefile |
| 08:06.59 | mandrake_ | funyun: possibly specify the source directory with the -C switch |
| 08:07.10 | funyun | mandrake, SlayerXP: i'm following these instructions. http://pastebin.ca/1231637 |
| 08:07.14 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ah looky ^^^ |
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| 08:07.46 | ameyer | Zapelius: I'd guess messed up keepalive settings, a traffic shaping device set to "Traffic Nazi", or some sort of network congestion issue |
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| 08:08.24 | mandrake_ | funyun: did you autogen with success? |
| 08:08.38 | Zapelius | I have been using those standard ka settings for some years at our systems |
| 08:08.39 | jelly-home | simonrvn: your lucky numbers? |
| 08:08.46 | funyun | mandrake: yes |
| 08:08.53 | ameyer | wonders if there's any chance Zapelius's DC->Europe packets are going west instead of east and running into issues with the Indonesia earthquake |
| 08:08.54 | mandrake_ | and configure? |
| 08:09.05 | funyun | mandrake: yes |
| 08:09.17 | mandrake_ | funyun: but there's no MAkefile anywhere? |
| 08:09.41 | funyun | mandrake: no idea. i'm just a noob trying to follow these instructions |
| 08:09.58 | mandrake_ | funyun: did configure return any errors? |
| 08:10.15 | simonrvn | jelly-home: meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 08:10.26 | funyun | mandrake: i'll try it again and check. brb |
| 08:10.31 | mandrake_ | funyun: ok |
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| 08:10.38 | simonrvn | enouf: that would be why cast didn't reply :P |
| 08:10.39 | jelly-home | simonrvn: yes, that's from tfm |
| 08:10.48 | SlayerXP | funyun: rtorrent has a debian package, why aren't you using it? |
| 08:10.54 | karsten | How many compentnts are actually in GRUB? There's stage 1, stage 1.5, stage 2. Stage 1 is the MBR or bootloader itself, then there's GRUB, then there's the kernel load, right? |
| 08:10.57 | simonrvn | fucking manual, can't trust it |
| 08:11.28 | funyun | SlayerXP: i already have rtorrent. i'm trying to install wtorrent (WebUI for rtorrent) |
| 08:11.42 | simonrvn | bios, mbr, grub, kernel, init i think... i'm more familiar with OF |
| 08:12.06 | karsten | simonrvn: OF? |
| 08:12.08 | karsten | simonrvn: Mac HW? |
| 08:12.10 | jelly-home | simonrvn: the ones written by kernel people are usually usable, or have been at the time they were written |
| 08:12.13 | simonrvn | open firmware |
| 08:12.32 | simonrvn | jelly-home: they are, and i was half-kidding :) |
| 08:13.00 | jelly-home | didn't realize; linux manpages are often crap |
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| 08:13.28 | mandrake_ | jelly: I use them alot, and I'm happy with them. |
| 08:13.54 | jelly-home | mandrake_: good for you |
| 08:14.00 | mandrake_ | indeed |
| 08:14.13 | simonrvn | yes, they often are :( |
| 08:14.25 | mandrake_ | which one is worse? |
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| 08:16.09 | jelly-home | solaris manpages are _very_ nice in comparison. every driver has a manpage; lots of detail; changes / backward compatibility / different build settings discussed |
| 08:16.27 | funyun | mandrake: i made a mistake. when i try configure, i get "-sh: ./configure: No such file or directory" |
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| 08:16.51 | mandrake_ | funyun: did you also autogen without success? |
| 08:18.01 | simonrvn | jelly-home: fbsd ones are very much like that too |
| 08:18.12 | enouf | simonrvn: man 2 syslog is the one to read |
| 08:18.25 | funyun | mandrake: autogen gave me this, http://pastebin.ca/1231646 |
| 08:19.13 | mandrake_ | funyun: seem like you need that libtoolize |
| 08:19.17 | mandrake_ | seems |
| 08:20.25 | funyun | mandrake: how do i get that? |
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| 08:20.38 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 08:20.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:20.45 | mandrake_ | funyun: probably you will need to install autoconf |
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| 08:22.04 | mandrake_ | funyun: and automake |
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| 08:24.29 | funyun | mandrake: it's still giving me "libtoolize... libtoolize nor glibtoolize not found" |
| 08:24.33 | superjoe30 | how come virtualbox-ose-guest-modules is always a kernel version behind the main package? |
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| 08:24.41 | superjoe30 | err, in lenny |
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| 08:24.46 | mandrake_ | funyun: then maybe libtool also |
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| 08:25.14 | mandrake_ | funyun: cat you paste the autogen.sh ? |
| 08:25.42 | enouf | simonrvn: though, there also has been some changes to printk (earlyprintk, printk.time, etc) from ~.24/25ish onward - but cast would've needed to edit /etc/syslog.conf to suppress or redirect |
| 08:26.06 | Ash-Fox | I am trying to figure out how to send a message to a specific logged in user on a machine running KDE3.9. I have found that I cannot get messages displayed, if I use write or wall. I've tried googling for something for popping up messages. I've tried googling for information on how to do it in dbus and kded but I just find a lot of unrelated content. Any ideas? |
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| 08:26.21 | enouf | deface: grub shell certainly does have cat available |
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| 08:27.11 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 08:27.22 | funyun | mandrake_: http://pastebin.ca/1231653 |
| 08:27.29 | batcoder-7 | i just did aptitude install -t experimental gimp |
| 08:27.33 | batcoder-7 | and i still got the lenny version |
| 08:27.39 | batcoder-7 | not the version i was wanting |
| 08:27.39 | Ash-Fox | Sorry, KDE3.5.9 |
| 08:28.08 | superjoe30 | Ash-Fox, you talking about writing a user with the terminal? make sure you have messages enabled - mesg y |
| 08:28.37 | Ash-Fox | superjoe30, no, a graphical popup. kwrited used to do this on KDE a long time ago with wall messages. |
| 08:28.59 | batcoder-7 | can someone help me with this please |
| 08:29.15 | batcoder-7 | is lenny considered experimental ? |
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| 08:29.32 | batcoder-7 | i am trying to install gimp 2.6.1 sid on a lenny machine |
| 08:29.56 | mandrake_ | funyun: did you install autoconf? |
| 08:30.12 | funyun | mandrake_: yes |
| 08:30.17 | funyun | mandrake_: and automake |
| 08:30.26 | mandrake_ | and libtool? |
| 08:31.39 | funyun | mandrake_: libtool gives me this, http://pastebin.ca/1231656 |
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| 08:31.53 | wols | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 08:31.55 | judd | wols: rtorrent: 0.6.4-1 (etch) 0.7.9-2+b2 (lenny) 0.7.9-2+b2 (sid) |
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| 08:32.58 | mandrake_ | funyun: better install libc6-dev |
| 08:33.26 | gane | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.34 | funyun | mandrake_: same error. |
| 08:33.44 | wols | funyun: ls /usr/bin/libtool |
| 08:33.45 | wols | funyun: ls /usr/bin/libtool* |
| 08:33.55 | wols | gane: english please |
| 08:34.11 | batcoder-7 | anyone ? |
| 08:34.14 | funyun | wols: ls: /usr/bin/libtool*: No such file or directory |
| 08:34.23 | wols | funyun: then fscking install libtool |
| 08:34.27 | mandrake_ | funyun: can you uninstall libc6-dev? |
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| 08:34.32 | wols | as you've been told |
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| 08:35.17 | wols | batcoder-7: apt-cache policy gimp |
| 08:35.25 | funyun | mandrake_: it's not installed |
| 08:35.34 | wols | !tell funyun about b-e |
| 08:35.45 | mandrake_ | you are going to need libc6-dev heh |
| 08:35.57 | simonrvn | batcoder-7: why? |
| 08:36.03 | liable | logcheck in lenny is a pita, it sends me amivis logs when clean mails pass.. no word from the maintainer on a bug for it |
| 08:36.17 | batcoder-7 | wols: yea? i want 2.6 i am on lenny now but 2.6. 1 is in sid |
| 08:36.22 | wols | batcoder-7: apt-cache policy gimp |
| 08:36.39 | batcoder-7 | i just did that it just telling me version info etc |
| 08:36.45 | wols | batcoder-7: pastebin it! |
| 08:36.48 | gane | wols, i have copied a config file in kernel 2.6.26 as .config .. eventhough it is asking lot queries why |
| 08:37.10 | batcoder-7 | wols: all it is telling me is the version of gimp in the lenny branch thats all nothing special |
| 08:37.11 | themill | liable: logwatch doesn't like triggers and the new output from dpkg/aptitude :( Choose your poison! |
| 08:37.12 | batcoder-7 | i want 2.6 |
| 08:37.12 | wols | gane: use a backported 2.6.26 frm backports.org |
| 08:37.28 | liable | themill: logwatch has been ok for me |
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| 08:37.53 | liable | themill: i actually like the more verbose mail output in logwatch |
| 08:37.57 | batcoder-7 | how can i install a package form sid to lenny ? |
| 08:38.08 | wols | !tell batcoder-7 about ssb |
| 08:38.26 | funyun | wols: i installed build essentials, still getting "libtoolize... libtoolize nor glibtoolize not found" |
| 08:38.41 | wols | !moron funyun |
| 08:38.41 | dpkg | funyun: You are moron #83 |
| 08:38.48 | wols | funyun: I told you to install libtool |
| 08:38.51 | batcoder-7 | wols: i dont think it has been backported |
| 08:38.56 | themill | batcoder-7: there's a chance that an unstable package can be installed into testing. But that's not always the case. |
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| 08:39.09 | batcoder-7 | so should i just compile my own ? |
| 08:39.16 | mandrake_ | funyun: you need that libc also |
| 08:39.19 | wols | batcoder-7: and I didn't tell you to _get_ a backport but to _make_ one |
| 08:39.20 | Sazpaimon | anyone ever set up debian on a 1and1 server |
| 08:39.23 | batcoder-7 | but it has alot of depedcies |
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| 08:39.32 | batcoder-7 | wols: it has like 8 things needed as well |
| 08:39.33 | wols | !tell Sazpaimon about anyone |
| 08:39.36 | themill | batcoder-7: what makes you think that 2.6.1 is in sid, btw? |
| 08:39.43 | batcoder-7 | it is |
| 08:39.43 | funyun | wols: i tried. i get this, http://pastebin.ca/1231656 |
| 08:39.44 | themill | judd: versions gimp |
| 08:39.45 | judd | themill: gimp: 2.2.13-1etch4 (etch) 2.2.13-1etch4 (etch-security) 2.4.7-1 (lenny) 2.4.7-1 (sid) 2.6.1-1 (experimental) |
| 08:39.48 | themill | batcoder-7: it's not |
| 08:40.02 | Sazpaimon | ok fine |
| 08:40.17 | Sazpaimon | anyone ever set up debian on a 1and1 server? is it worth it to use the preinstalled package or set it up from scratch |
| 08:40.17 | wols | funyun: then fscking install libc6-dev duh! |
| 08:40.26 | Sazpaimon | better? |
| 08:40.32 | funyun | wols: i tried. i get the same error |
| 08:40.44 | wols | funyun: you lie |
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| 08:40.48 | batcoder-7 | themill: sorry i get naming all mixed up |
| 08:40.53 | batcoder-7 | its in experimental themill |
| 08:41.05 | themill | batcoder-7: which is an entirely different story. |
| 08:41.14 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about experimental |
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| 08:41.34 | batcoder-7 | yes i tried |
| 08:41.47 | funyun | wols: nvm, it installed. but i still get "libtoolize... libtoolize nor glibtoolize not found" |
| 08:41.57 | wols | funyun: dpkg -l libtool |
| 08:42.12 | batcoder-7 | themill: aptitide -t experimental gimp but it didnt work |
| 08:42.17 | batcoder-7 | aptitude |
| 08:42.23 | wols | !tell batcoder-7 about doesn't work |
| 08:42.25 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about doesn't work |
| 08:42.37 | batcoder-7 | wols: sorry still installed 2.4 branch |
| 08:42.48 | batcoder-7 | instead of the one in experimental |
| 08:42.56 | themill | batcoder-7: do you have experimental in your sources.list? |
| 08:43.02 | batcoder-7 | no |
| 08:43.03 | wols | batcoder-7: then learn what a sources.list is and how to use it |
| 08:43.19 | batcoder-7 | i dont want to use experimental for anything but this |
| 08:43.19 | wols | themill: the ignorance is breathtaking, isn't it? |
| 08:43.38 | wols | batcoder-7: you clearly show you should not use experimental for anything |
| 08:43.44 | themill | batcoder-7: so htf did you think it would install it? With your level of knowledge, you shouldn't be going any where near sid or experimental |
| 08:43.54 | batcoder-7 | listen 2 things |
| 08:44.03 | funyun | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1231662 |
| 08:44.28 | wols | funyun: you still haven't installed libtool. do you ever THINK? |
| 08:44.37 | batcoder-7 | i have been using linux for yyears since like slackware 95, i dont use debian much actually not until recently, now i thought that it would pull it in like that without having to declare in sources.list as well |
| 08:44.48 | funyun | wols: libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 08:45.05 | wols | batcoder-7: congratulations for not learning anything in those 13 years. that's quite an accomplishment |
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| 08:45.16 | mandrake_ | wols: what is the ii in dpkg -l ? |
| 08:45.21 | batcoder-7 | i didn't want to mess with sources.list and change it becasue i didn't want to mess up anything and make the whole computer experimental |
| 08:45.40 | batcoder-7 | wols: slackware is not debian |
| 08:45.43 | wols | batcoder-7: you have no clue about experimental and don't read either. you're hopeless. good day |
| 08:45.51 | batcoder-7 | your a very respectful man by the way wols |
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| 08:46.00 | batcoder-7 | i have read anything you have sent me |
| 08:46.19 | themill | batcoder-7: Then you need to learn about pinning so that you can do this safely. There are lots of useful introductions to apt and sources.list. giyf |
| 08:46.29 | mandrake_ | anyone: what is the ii in dpkg -l ? |
| 08:46.53 | wols | mandrake_: read the first two lines of the output |
| 08:46.55 | et | is there any "standard" way to create a 32-bit-version of a library on an amd64 install - just interested because of flash10s dependencies |
| 08:47.09 | gane | wols, why you gave this output |
| 08:47.09 | funyun | wols: okay, now it works. but i'm stuck on the make part. i get "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found." |
| 08:47.27 | gane | wols,sorry why you gave this link |
| 08:47.34 | wols | funyun: you fucked up before. configure or whatever |
| 08:47.40 | wols | gane: which one? |
| 08:47.40 | mandrake_ | wols: non of them says ii |
| 08:47.53 | batcoder-7 | themill: to should i jsut change lenny to experimental update via aptitude install gimp then go back to lenny and update again ? |
| 08:47.53 | gane | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 08:48.08 | funyun | wols: configure works now. but the next step is "make" |
| 08:48.16 | wols | gane: cause you are not fit to compile a kernel. use the debian backport |
| 08:48.21 | themill | batcoder-7: no. experimental is not a complete distribution. It's also not necessarily compatible with lenny. |
| 08:48.24 | wols | funyun: wrong |
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| 08:48.46 | wols | gane: backports.org has a 2.6.26 you can use |
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| 08:49.02 | batcoder-7 | themill: i am googling and everything i can't find anything on installing an experimental app on lenny |
| 08:49.03 | Sazpaimon | is there a stat for dpkg for which people use !tell the most |
| 08:49.08 | funyun | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1231669 |
| 08:49.09 | wols | funyun: if it did work you'd have a makefile |
| 08:49.10 | Sazpaimon | im curious |
| 08:49.23 | bolt-work | batcoder-7: they just told you to read up on pinning. you want to add experimental to your sources, and tell apt to use your current release for anything but the package you want from experimental. do that. |
| 08:49.34 | wols | funyun: this paste is worthless |
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| 08:49.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Sazpaimon about debstats |
| 08:50.14 | themill | Sazpaimon: the lines about shouting are from "!tell" but don't encompass "dpkg tell". |
| 08:50.46 | wols | or people telling others to use /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 08:50.50 | Sazpaimon | but its also anything containg an exclamation point! |
| 08:51.02 | Sazpaimon | see now that stat just went up by one! |
| 08:51.03 | funyun | wols: those are my instructions, but make (my next step) isn't working |
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| 08:51.12 | gane | wols, i know to compile the kernel .. i dont know which to select in the source .. so i copied just the config file of 2.6.18 which is already working |
| 08:51.36 | wols | gane: since you don't know how to config you clearly don't know how to compile a kernel |
| 08:51.45 | themill | Sazpaimon: but only the regulars will make it onto that list and only really through tell. |
| 08:51.55 | Sazpaimon | point |
| 08:51.59 | wols | funyun: doesn't make them more worthless. iuntil you give us the error why there is no makefile, we can't help you. HAND |
| 08:52.27 | gane | wols, your link is also not defining anything relate to compilation |
| 08:52.28 | wols | funyun: and there is no makefile cause a step before "make" FAILS |
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| 08:52.41 | gane | wols, or anything relate to config file |
| 08:52.46 | wols | gane: you are not supposed to compile. you are supposed to use aptitude install <package> |
| 08:52.52 | funyun | wols: the step before make is "./configure" |
| 08:53.05 | wols | funyun: do you know what an error is? |
| 08:53.16 | Sazpaimon | god i hate radio psychics |
| 08:53.18 | Sazpaimon | so fucking much |
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| 08:54.04 | batcoder-7 | bolt-work: so basically i add it to the sources.list and then I call it to use that in aptitude ? |
| 08:54.10 | gane | wols, you are correct .. i want to enable some features in that kernel |
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| 08:54.19 | mandrake_ | ah Desired-Status acronym |
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| 08:54.32 | funyun | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1231672 |
| 08:54.36 | gane | wols, those are available in that config file |
| 08:54.38 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about pinning |
| 08:54.45 | bolt-work | batcoder-7: no, you read up on how to pin packages with apt. a simple google search will tell you how in about a million different ways |
| 08:54.47 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 08:54.58 | wols | !tell funyun about installit |
| 08:55.33 | themill | funyun: what are you compiling, anyway? |
| 08:55.44 | wols | themill: rtorrent |
| 08:55.51 | funyun | wols: openssl is already the newest version. |
| 08:55.52 | themill | backport? |
| 08:55.59 | funyun | themill: wtorrent |
| 08:56.16 | wols | funyun: you need the -dev package since you COMPILE duh! |
| 08:56.42 | mandrake_ | funyun: Can't you read whats missing? |
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| 08:56.52 | mandrake_ | funyun: sry |
| 08:57.01 | mandrake_ | funyun: maybe you need the -dev package |
| 08:57.02 | themill | judd: versions libssl-dev |
| 08:57.03 | judd | themill: libssl-dev: 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch) 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch-security) 0.9.8g-13 (lenny) 0.9.8g-13 (sid) |
| 08:57.12 | funyun | mandrake: openssl? |
| 08:57.17 | mandrake_ | funyun: yes |
| 08:57.30 | gane | wols, if copy the 2.6.18 config file to kernel 2.6.22 .. will it work or not |
| 08:57.32 | funyun | mandrake: but it says i already have it |
| 08:57.46 | wols | gane: not well |
| 08:57.53 | gane | ok |
| 08:57.57 | wols | gane: learn what make oldconfig is |
| 08:58.03 | funyun | mandrake_: openssl is already the newest version. |
| 08:58.29 | mandrake_ | funyun: very strange |
| 08:58.29 | wols | gane: and I told you to install 2.6.26 backports which comes with a 2.5.26 .config file btu you're too debse to do it |
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| 08:59.05 | batcoder-7 | is /etc/apt/preferences this doesnt exist do i make it ? |
| 08:59.18 | cads | can you guys direct me to a guide on configuring hardware/modules once I've compiled a new kernel and installed the packages? I compiled from upstream by updating my existing (generic) kernel config. But before I go on to optimize the kernel, I need to know how to get it working in it's current state, as now the sound and the wireless networking is broken |
| 08:59.33 | gane | wols,i have searched the download part from your link .. i not got |
| 08:59.39 | wols | mandrake_: learn the difference between a lib* package and a lib*-dev package |
| 08:59.50 | wols | gane: I don't believe you |
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| 09:00.06 | guysoft42 | hey all, how do i check with /usr/bin/make if a file exists? |
| 09:00.19 | wols | gane: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.26&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 09:00.20 | gane | wols, yopu open the link & see |
| 09:00.30 | gane | wols, thabks |
| 09:00.31 | wols | gane: I just saw. and you lied |
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| 09:00.49 | wols | gane: this is from the form at backports.org btw |
| 09:00.59 | funyun | mandrake_: how do i get the -dev package? |
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| 09:01.09 | wols | funyun: how do you get and install packages? |
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| 09:01.24 | funyun | wols: E: Couldn't find package dev |
| 09:01.43 | batcoder-7 | is it ok if you make /etc/apt/preferences if it doesnt exist ? |
| 09:02.03 | wols | funyun: I give up. you are not capable of compiling anything. good day |
| 09:02.38 | cads | wols, you can do it! |
| 09:03.52 | wols | cads: since you seem to be exceedingly capable. you help him. good luck |
| 09:03.54 | mandrake_ | funyun: might be the libssl-dev |
| 09:04.25 | cads | oh, I reread what you said, I thought you were lamenting that _you_ were not capable of compiling anything |
| 09:04.41 | cads | what you compiling, funyun? |
| 09:04.45 | mandrake_ | funyun: "It is part of the OpenSSL implementation of SSL." |
| 09:04.52 | funyun | cads: wtorrent |
| 09:05.04 | funyun | mandrake_: thanks, i got it |
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| 09:06.27 | funyun | mandrake_: now i get "No package 'sigc++-2.0' found" |
| 09:06.30 | mandrake_ | bio hazard |
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| 09:06.54 | funyun | mandrake_: tried to install but cannot find package |
| 09:06.55 | mandrake_ | funyun: that's c++ stuff, that I do not know. |
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| 09:07.27 | mandrake_ | funyun: maybe if you search the repository? |
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| 09:07.53 | cads | funyun, I know this goes without saying, but you gotta find all the dependencies before it will compile |
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| 09:08.04 | jelly-home | funyun: you'll have to use apt-cache and apt-file to search for the missing libraries, and install their -dev packages |
| 09:08.20 | jelly-home | !+tell funyun -about search |
| 09:08.22 | dpkg | told funyun about search. |
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| 09:08.37 | cads | !+tell cads -about search |
| 09:08.37 | dpkg | told cads about search. |
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| 09:08.58 | jelly-home | funyun: the documentation for your app should tell you what is needed |
| 09:09.09 | wols | !tell cads about selftell |
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| 09:09.45 | jelly-home | funyun: (usually not in debian package names, but in upstream names; that's why you have to use something like apt-cache search to look up their package names) |
| 09:09.57 | cads | wols, yes, I should have realized to do that in the first place |
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| 09:11.14 | mandrake_ | $^ |
| 09:11.54 | cads | though I'd like to add, for funyun's sake, that if he's got synaptic or aptitude, those can make it a little easier for a beginner to search for packages and find where those packages installed documentation/configuration |
| 09:12.31 | funyun | cads: i tried apt-file but i got a book full of results.. |
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| 09:13.13 | cads | but hey, I've got a 'newbie' question of my own regarding system configuration after installing a new kernel |
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| 09:13.59 | cads | if installing the new kernel causes audio and wireless drivers to no longer work, does that mean that the kernel is misconfigured, or could I need to update some configuration files as well? |
| 09:14.03 | jelly-home | funyun: start with apt-cache search, like "apt-cache search sigc++", apt-file is useful if you know the exact filename you're missing |
| 09:14.20 | funyun | found the package. make is working now! |
| 09:14.34 | mandrake_ | with a broken libc? |
| 09:14.46 | funyun | jelly-home: apt-cache wouldn't display any results.. |
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| 09:16.01 | jelly-home | funyun: an "aptitude update"/"apt-get update" is needed first. I strongly doubt that "apt-cache search sigc++" returns nothing |
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| 09:16.36 | FroZen`` | good morning |
| 09:16.51 | FroZen`` | i have a problem with debian installer |
| 09:16.59 | FroZen`` | i wnat install lenny from usb |
| 09:17.10 | RichiH | !search |
| 09:17.10 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 09:17.42 | jelly-home | funyun: when asking for assistance with something not working, always show us the complete command (and preferably pastebin full output) |
| 09:18.01 | cads | I love debian's package system so much |
| 09:18.15 | wols | cads: what is your question? |
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| 09:19.23 | FroZen`` | because when i lunch the debian netinst from usb, it give me problem? |
| 09:19.49 | surrounder | hmm lunch |
| 09:19.56 | wols | FroZen``: you give us a problem too in not stating your problem clearly |
| 09:19.59 | cads | I compiled kernel 2.6.27 using my existing config with choices made for all the new options that were present in the new version. The kernel boots however my wireless hardware and my sound card are not functioning |
| 09:20.03 | petemc | FroZen``: which guide are you following? |
| 09:20.07 | jelly-home | cads: could mean any number of things; audio and wifi might fail for different reasons. 1) audio - is the driver present? which driver are you using? |
| 09:20.08 | FroZen`` | debia guide |
| 09:20.16 | cads | Although the modules are loaded when I do lsmod |
| 09:20.18 | wols | cads: what hardware exactly? |
| 09:20.28 | wols | cads: check what dmesg says |
| 09:20.54 | cads | it's a toshiba laptop, intel chipset, integrated audio and wireless (ipw2200) |
| 09:21.02 | cads | let me boot into it real quick |
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| 09:21.25 | FroZen`` | petemc, suggest me a good guide for create an usb lenny installer |
| 09:21.28 | jelly-home | cads: pastebin your .config and dmesg / /var/log/kern.log; point out the drivers used, that worked on a previous kernel |
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| 09:22.13 | wols | !tell FroZen`` about errors |
| 09:22.22 | funyun | mandrake_: make worked. but not make install gives me this. http://pastebin.ca/1231702 |
| 09:22.38 | jelly-home | cads: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ can be used to find out which drivers bind to your hardware |
| 09:22.58 | jelly-home | cads: (that's from /msg dpkg hcl) |
| 09:23.15 | mandrake_ | funyun: Permission denied |
| 09:23.30 | FroZen`` | wols, the error is "la versione del kernel dell'installer non coincide con quella dell'immagine iso caricata" |
| 09:23.36 | mandrake_ | funyun: did you provide a proper install prefix ? |
| 09:23.39 | cads | what other data should I collect from the running system? I did a diff of my lspci of the old and new, for example, and there were only tiny differences, but perhaps significant |
| 09:23.51 | blast_hardcheese | Does anyone use xmms2 with daap? |
| 09:23.58 | wols | !tell FroZen`` about fr |
| 09:24.06 | mandrake_ | funyun: seems you'll need super user privileges |
| 09:24.08 | FroZen`` | wols, now i restart and copy the error in english |
| 09:24.08 | blast_hardcheese | I can't find any documentation or tutorials, it's getting kind of frustrating. |
| 09:24.22 | FroZen`` | one moment |
| 09:24.26 | blast_hardcheese | I'm just trying to play music from my iTunes share, it shouldn't be this difficult. |
| 09:24.33 | funyun | mandrake_: i see, worked now |
| 09:25.20 | Guerin | complain to Apple |
| 09:25.31 | Guerin | they're ultimately the reason iTunes is so shit |
| 09:26.09 | blast_hardcheese | It's not iTunes that is shit here, actually. There is a plugin to do the thing I want to do, the plugin is installed, there's just no documentation or any hint on how to use said plugin |
| 09:26.32 | blast_hardcheese | This is also my first time using xmms2, so I've just been traversing the menus completely lost |
| 09:26.33 | Guerin | why should people need to write complicated plugins? |
| 09:26.53 | petemc | i thought the version of daap itunes used after version 6 wasnt compatible with anyting else |
| 09:27.00 | Guerin | if they'd designed it using open protocols and a reasonably sane set of principles it'd be well-supported everywhere |
| 09:27.10 | Guerin | like USB |
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| 09:27.26 | blast_hardcheese | If you're not going to be helpful, please let me at least get the answer to my question before you verbally assault me for having a mac. |
| 09:27.30 | simonrvn | itunes is crap, and gets worse every release. i remember itunes 1.x and 2.x were real nice |
| 09:27.36 | blast_hardcheese | petemc: That's possible. |
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| 09:27.45 | Guerin | blast_hardcheese: i don't verbally assault anyone for having a mac, that's punishment enough. |
| 09:27.48 | blast_hardcheese | Actually I think that's true |
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| 09:28.41 | blast_hardcheese | Guerin: There are legitimate reasons for having a mac, don't be so shortsighted that you can't see past your own life |
| 09:29.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:29.02 | blast_hardcheese | i happen to like Apple hardware a lot (particularly the laptops, the desktops are overrated) |
| 09:29.06 | Guerin | mactards are so trollable :) |
| 09:29.13 | blast_hardcheese | sighs |
| 09:30.09 | Guerin | blast_hardcheese: honestly. The problem with a mac is that they purposefully break interoperability with everything else at every chance they get. The suite might be great and wonderful, but what's the fucking point if it doesn't play nice with anything? |
| 09:30.11 | simonrvn | RichiH: bot problems? |
| 09:30.32 | blast_hardcheese | Guerin: You are equally trollable, I didn't share my contempt for Apple or the operating system before sharing the fact that I like the hardware. |
| 09:30.51 | RichiH | simonrvn: quite |
| 09:31.11 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 09:31.17 | blast_hardcheese | anyway |
| 09:31.37 | Guerin | blast_hardcheese: but if it was just the hardware you liked, you wouldn't be having the problem you are with iTunes, since you'd use a sane storage and distribution system. |
| 09:31.50 | Guerin | :) |
| 09:31.50 | blast_hardcheese | Guerin: I have one mac that still runs OSx |
| 09:31.59 | blast_hardcheese | It is the computer I use for work. |
| 09:32.17 | blast_hardcheese | It cannot run Linux until I convince the people at work to let me develop for linux. |
| 09:32.56 | simonrvn | later |
| 09:33.18 | mandrake_ | just tell them there's actively developed shard objects for easy install |
| 09:33.22 | blast_hardcheese | see, in the long run it doesn't really matter that you now know my story, I just like keeping my /ignore list clean. |
| 09:33.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:33.52 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 09:34.09 | Guerin | you've not gotten as sad about it as mactards usually do |
| 09:34.31 | blast_hardcheese | Sad about what? |
| 09:34.31 | funyun | mandrake_: i'm on the 3rd to last step. when i type "./configure --with-xmlrpc-c". i get this "configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test." |
| 09:34.34 | cads | jelly-home: doing dmesg|grep ipw2200 reveals that "requesting ipw2200-bss.fw" fails: reason -2. It is thus unable to load the firmware or register the network device |
| 09:34.44 | Guerin | blast_hardcheese: being trolled about macs |
| 09:34.57 | blast_hardcheese | Ah |
| 09:35.01 | wols | !tell cads about ipw2200 |
| 09:35.01 | mandrake_ | funyun: search for it |
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| 09:35.13 | blast_hardcheese | Mactards and Linuxtards are equally irritating |
| 09:35.29 | wols | blast_hardcheese Guerin: can you two troll each other elsewhere please? |
| 09:35.35 | Guerin | but in my trolling there is a kernel of advice, which I suppose you've already decided to discard: don't use complex tools when simple ones will do |
| 09:35.36 | cads | I think I'll be able to google it up from here, thanks for the suggestion about dmesg |
| 09:35.40 | Guerin | wols: i'm not trolling any more |
| 09:35.49 | mandrake_ | funyun: libxmlrpc++-dev perhaps? |
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| 09:36.30 | mandrake_ | funyun: or maybe that libxmlrpc-c3-dev |
| 09:37.15 | blast_hardcheese | Guerin: The fact that you don't think I know this already is somewhat annoying, but per wols' request and my lack of interest in this particular conversation I will desist. |
| 09:37.16 | wols | cads: you see what you need? |
| 09:37.37 | funyun | mandrake_: i tried libxmlrpc-c3-dev and still get the same error.. |
| 09:37.48 | Guerin | blast_hardcheese: yeah, I figured you already had, but the point bears repeating. g'luck :) |
| 09:37.59 | blast_hardcheese | thanks |
| 09:38.01 | mandrake_ | funyun: what about the C++ one |
| 09:38.49 | funyun | mandrake_: same error |
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| 09:39.10 | mandrake_ | funyun: strange he he |
| 09:39.54 | mandrake_ | funyun: maybe you need to configure once again |
| 09:40.56 | funyun | mandrake_: could that screw something up? here's the instructions. http://pastebin.ca/1231712 . i'm on the third to last step |
| 09:42.02 | _coredump_ | mahlzeit |
| 09:42.02 | mandrake_ | good question funyun |
| 09:42.56 | cads | wols, yes |
| 09:43.39 | mandrake_ | funyun: any more specific errors? |
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| 09:43.52 | guysoft42 | hey all, i am trying to package something, that needs to be built where it needs to be exacuted (in superuser areas). is there a debian way to build it locally? |
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| 09:46.16 | funyun | mandrake_: i can paste the whole thing. |
| 09:46.25 | mandrake_ | just the errors |
| 09:46.44 | funyun | mandrake_: "configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test." |
| 09:47.01 | mandrake_ | there has to be more errors |
| 09:47.13 | wols | guysoft42: chroot perhaps? |
| 09:47.22 | wols | then you can create the dir structure as the thing wants it |
| 09:47.39 | funyun | mandrake_: nope, that's the only one |
| 09:48.10 | guysoft42 | wols, um, that would work, but how would it pull the libs it needs then? |
| 09:48.15 | mandrake_ | ok funyun, paste the configure script |
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| 09:48.45 | wols | guysoft42: install it on the host system and hind mount their dirs? |
| 09:49.34 | wols | *bind mount |
| 09:50.46 | guysoft42 | wols, i am not sure how it will work, ill need to mount everything apart from /opt |
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| 09:53.05 | wols | doubts that very much |
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| 09:53.27 | mandrake_ | also doubts it |
| 09:54.10 | funyun | mandrake_: http://pastebin.ca/1231717 |
| 09:54.17 | guysoft42 | wols, isnt that something you would be frequently doing? i mean letting dpkg-build package place a complex filesystem, in chroot? |
| 09:54.35 | wols | guysoft42: no. decent software doesn't need that |
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| 09:54.42 | cousin_luigi | morn |
| 09:54.50 | wols | guysoft42: what software is this |
| 09:56.08 | cousin_luigi | how do I set a bootsplash in etch? |
| 09:56.32 | wols | "bootsplash |
| 09:56.34 | wols | !bootsplash |
| 09:56.34 | dpkg | i guess bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy> |
| 09:57.21 | guysoft42 | wols, sugar-jhbuild |
| 09:57.23 | cousin_luigi | k |
| 09:57.25 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
| 09:59.18 | wols | guysoft42: and what is the reason it would have to be compiled "in situ"? |
| 10:00.07 | guysoft42 | wols, situ"? |
| 10:00.40 | mandrake_ | funyun: seems fake |
| 10:00.48 | wols | guysoft42: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/in%20situ |
| 10:00.48 | funyun | mandrake_: fake? |
| 10:01.00 | mandrake_ | funyun: why configure try to compile anything like that |
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| 10:01.28 | funyun | mandrake_: i don't understand? |
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| 10:02.07 | mandrake_ | funyun: I think someone made a fake option |
| 10:02.23 | funyun | mandrake_: i don't think so |
| 10:03.02 | guysoft42 | wols, its the tool they use in OLPC for building the recent stuff. and it is made to work localy |
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| 10:03.45 | wols | guysoft42: then use a chroot for gods sake. or a VM or whatever |
| 10:03.52 | mandrake_ | funyun: do you have a script called xmlrpc-c-config ? |
| 10:04.24 | batcoder-7 | is there any good gui for a firewall (iptables) ? |
| 10:05.02 | funyun | mandrake_: no |
| 10:05.14 | guysoft42 | wols, ok.. so lets say the command is "make" , how would i run it in chroot, and have /usr/lib accessible? |
| 10:05.43 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, so be your firewall or to construct iptable rules? |
| 10:06.08 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: just a monitor i guess you could say general firewall info |
| 10:06.22 | mandrake_ | funyun: then that might be your problem |
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| 10:06.39 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, you could use firestarter . . . if you want to just build one and having trouble might try fwbuilder |
| 10:06.43 | wols | guysoft42: I already told you |
| 10:06.57 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: firestart crashes like crazy |
| 10:07.10 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, is this a personal machine? |
| 10:07.12 | guysoft42 | wols, i understand its with mount.. but what is the exact command?, how can i mount /lib ? |
| 10:07.20 | cousin_luigi | where can I set global bash aliases? |
| 10:07.34 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: it is |
| 10:07.36 | mandrake_ | funyun: can you paste a list of your build directory? |
| 10:07.41 | wols | guysoft42: man mount |
| 10:08.00 | karsten | cousin_luigi: /etc/bash.bashrc in general |
| 10:08.00 | wols | cousin_luigi: systemwide? |
| 10:08.07 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, are you running services that might compromise it? not sure how people feel in here but i believe as long as you dont have any ports listening then a firewall doesnt do much. |
| 10:08.13 | cousin_luigi | karsten: tha |
| 10:08.15 | cousin_luigi | wols: yes |
| 10:08.37 | wols | as karsten said |
| 10:08.53 | wols | Lagbolt: more harmful than beneficial yes |
| 10:09.06 | batcoder-7 | I seee |
| 10:09.09 | cads | wols, jelly-home, thanks again for the assistance |
| 10:09.09 | wols | especially if one needs a GUI to configure it since one doesn't know enough |
| 10:09.20 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: no services that i know of + i am behind router |
| 10:09.43 | mandrake_ | funyun: maybe you need xml-rpc-api2cpp |
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| 10:09.51 | karsten | cousin_luigi: Per the manpage, yes, that file *is* sourced by default, so you can ensure stuff for *all* users will be run there. |
| 10:09.53 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, well maybe you should read up on checking to see what services you have running. netstat / nmap might be good places to start |
| 10:10.12 | cousin_luigi | karsten: ok, done |
| 10:10.25 | Lagbolt | i am not a security pro so i am just giving some general suggestions |
| 10:10.43 | wols | !tell batcoder-7 about harden |
| 10:11.24 | cousin_luigi | karsten: root is ignoring it |
| 10:11.32 | funyun | mandrake_: did some searching and found somebody with the same problem as me. he was given the solution but as i said i'm a noob. i still don't understand it. can ya help translate? |
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| 10:12.57 | cousin_luigi | karsten: it works if I add them to /etc/profile, but only for root |
| 10:13.01 | cousin_luigi | :/ |
| 10:13.27 | batcoder-7 | what are the default ports on a debain machine that are open ? |
| 10:13.28 | mandrake_ | funyun: you have to use the compiler |
| 10:13.53 | funyun | mandrake_: http://pastebin.ca/1231726 |
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| 10:15.08 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, did you read the links from dpkg? |
| 10:15.43 | guysoft42 | wols, carn't i chroot as user? |
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| 10:16.53 | mandrake_ | funyun: go to the configure line with with_xmlrpc_c+set |
| 10:17.32 | mandrake_ | and jump to the following if statement |
| 10:17.57 | mandrake_ | echo $ac_link just above that line and paste what it says |
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| 10:18.45 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: yea i mena i am behind a router, i think it would be better ot be worried about whats running on the computer then someone connecting |
| 10:19.35 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, well then you should read up about netstat i think. and there are some other intrusion detection programs that can help. |
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| 10:19.49 | funyun | mandrake_: i don't understand what you mean? |
| 10:20.00 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, or you can read up on how to create a firewall without a gui and learn about it so you know what you are doing and not trusting someone else to make rules for your machine |
| 10:20.03 | mandrake_ | you need to debug the configure script |
| 10:20.12 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: the gui wasn't for me ;) |
| 10:20.35 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, well same suggestion goes for whomever it was for :) |
| 10:20.36 | batcoder-7 | i haven't used ip tables that much, but i know my way around a bit, i mean but yea |
| 10:20.56 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: but the router takes care of alot of the incoming stuff |
| 10:21.13 | batcoder-7 | unless theres some router exploits / bufferoverflows on its internal osftware or something |
| 10:21.45 | funyun | mandrake_: if test "$withval" = "no"; then |
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| 10:21.55 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, what does your router have to do with putting a firewall on your personal computer? you were asking about a firewall so i am assuming you are asking about protecting your machine router or no router |
| 10:22.12 | mandrake_ | funyun: actually just jump to the first ^ac_link and echo it down under |
| 10:22.38 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: sure but i am nto so worried about whats outgoing and the router blocks all incoming unless i portforward |
| 10:22.45 | batcoder-7 | so pretty much protection there in itself |
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| 10:23.22 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, so what is your question then? i am not making sense of this. . maybe its too late for me |
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| 10:23.33 | funyun | mandrake_: i can't find "^ac_link" |
| 10:23.35 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: too late for me |
| 10:23.44 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: i anwsered my own question pretty muc h |
| 10:24.27 | cousin_luigi | sorry, another question: is flashplugin 10 available from some repository? |
| 10:25.00 | mandrake_ | funyun: can you find xmlrpc_registry_new |
| 10:26.06 | funyun | mandrake_: yes. xmlrpc_registry_new(NULL); |
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| 10:26.33 | mandrake_ | funyun: then go backwards in the file until you reach ac_link |
| 10:27.09 | karsten | cousin_luigi: OK. |
| 10:27.09 | karsten | guysoft42: No, chroot is restricted to root only |
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| 10:27.27 | mandrake_ | funyun: no wait |
| 10:27.32 | funyun | mandrake_: "if { (ac_try="$ac_link""? |
| 10:27.55 | mandrake_ | yes that |
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| 10:28.34 | guysoft42 | wols, karsten then how i am supposed to use chroot for dpkg-buildpackage, if its for root anyway.. |
| 10:28.57 | mandrake_ | funyun: something fails in that execution block |
| 10:30.44 | funyun | mandrake_: ?? |
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| 10:30.45 | mandrake_ | funyun: try to bypass it. |
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| 10:31.20 | funyun | mandrake_: how do i do that? |
| 10:31.44 | mandrake_ | funyun: out-comment the whole if section |
| 10:32.03 | funyun | oh okay |
| 10:32.15 | mandrake_ | with # in front of everything from if to fi |
| 10:32.52 | funyun | mandrake_: starting with "if { (ac_try="$ac_link"? |
| 10:33.23 | mandrake_ | yes |
| 10:34.20 | mandrake_ | the error is (exit $ac_status) |
| 10:35.20 | wols | mandrake_: you're a very funny and scary guy |
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| 10:35.41 | mandrake_ | of course |
| 10:37.26 | dooglus | every time I run iceweasel it prints "sh: acroread: command not found" on my terminal |
| 10:37.32 | dooglus | why's it trying to run acroread? |
| 10:37.47 | dooglus | it's happening after the shell script runs "exec /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel" |
| 10:38.15 | Nibbl | acrobat reader @ dooglus |
| 10:38.33 | Nibbl | so maybe you are tryin to open an pdf? |
| 10:38.37 | jelly | dooglus: you have an application/pdf document open in a tab |
| 10:39.15 | jelly | dooglus: and iceweasel (or default mime action) configured to run acroread |
| 10:40.40 | dooglus | jelly: no |
| 10:40.52 | dooglus | Nibbl: I'm not |
| 10:41.07 | wols | dooglus: check your mime settings inside ffox |
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| 10:42.19 | jelly | dooglus: sorry, "no" to what? there are no tabs open? |
| 10:42.39 | dooglus | jelly: right, there are no tabs open |
| 10:43.02 | dooglus | jelly: I just made a script called acroread which writes its command line arguments to a file |
| 10:43.10 | dooglus | it's being run as "acroread -v" |
| 10:43.15 | dooglus | (no file specified) |
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| 10:45.02 | funyun | mandrake_: i still get the same error |
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| 10:46.08 | mandrake_ | funyun: that should not be possible |
| 10:47.13 | mandrake_ | funyun: did you sharp the all out? |
| 10:48.15 | mandrake_ | funyun: you're right, there's more location with that crap |
| 10:48.35 | mandrake_ | funyun: I would go ask a channel writing that program |
| 10:50.37 | mandrake_ | funyun: seems doomed to fail. |
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| 10:51.42 | dooglus | I just made a new profile, and acroread -v is still run when I start firefox with that profile |
| 10:52.08 | dooglus | oops! I said the f word. I meant iceweasel of course. |
| 10:52.37 | funyun | mandrake_: okay, thank for trying to help. i really appreciate it. |
| 10:52.45 | mandrake_ | no problem lol |
| 10:53.00 | mandrake_ | funyun: try without xml |
| 10:53.42 | funyun | mandrake_: without xml i think i'm just stuck with rtorrent. |
| 10:54.11 | dooglus | I deleted my ~/.mozilla/ folder, and still iceweasel runs acroread when it starts up |
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| 10:55.59 | mandrake_ | funyun: does it even work without that option? |
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| 10:57.22 | dooglus | it seems that /etc/mozpluggerrc is responsible: ifelse(esyscmd([acroread -v | grep "^[^0-9]*5\..*$"]), [], [ |
| 10:57.37 | funyun | mandrake_: wtorrent won't but rtorrent probably will |
| 10:58.15 | mandrake_ | funyun: so you can't even make it with no options? |
| 10:58.35 | funyun | mandrake_: ?? |
| 10:58.47 | mandrake_ | funyun: without the --xmlrpc |
| 10:59.43 | funyun | mandrake_: ya, that would work. but then i wouldn't have wtorrent working |
| 10:59.53 | mandrake_ | hm |
| 11:00.03 | mandrake_ | fucked up |
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| 11:01.01 | mandrake_ | funyun: you can give it more time |
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| 11:08.59 | AlexC_ | hey |
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| 11:09.52 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to install 'librmagik-ruby' however it seems to depend on a hell of a lot of packages, including X, xulrunner, myspell etc etc - is this correct or has something gone very wrong? |
| 11:09.52 | mrynit | if networking were to become flaky where would i start to figure out whats broken? |
| 11:10.16 | petemc | mrynit: check dmesg/syslog/messages |
| 11:10.42 | JyZyXEL | anyone here using Gnome? |
| 11:10.56 | mrynit | JyZyXEL, chances are yes |
| 11:11.05 | mrynit | how i love dredging through dmesg |
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| 11:11.15 | JyZyXEL | hmm maybe i should ask who is using gnome |
| 11:11.27 | petemc | ask your real question |
| 11:11.32 | petemc | dont do polls |
| 11:11.49 | JyZyXEL | http://88.115.39.161/difference.jpg does that happen when using gnome-panel in gnome? |
| 11:12.59 | wols | judd: versions librmagik-ruby |
| 11:12.59 | judd | wols: librmagik-ruby: |
| 11:13.12 | wols | AlexC_: that's not part of debian. ask whoever gave it to you |
| 11:13.38 | AlexC_ | wols, it's in the repos. |
| 11:13.42 | AlexC_ | (lenny) |
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| 11:14.07 | wols | it is not AlexC_ |
| 11:14.27 | wols | AlexC_: apt-cache policy the package |
| 11:14.34 | mrynit | JyZyXEL, idk what you mean |
| 11:14.40 | AlexC_ | wols, sorry, made a typo. librmagick-ruby |
| 11:15.33 | wols | AlexC_: it doesn't: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/librmagick-ruby1.8 |
| 11:15.36 | JyZyXEL | mrynit see the difference between the icons |
| 11:15.46 | JyZyXEL | the one that is unfocused is much unclear |
| 11:15.52 | AlexC_ | wols, yeah, that's what I thought - but it is trying to install a hell of a lot when I install it. I'll pastebin |
| 11:15.53 | JyZyXEL | somehow faded |
| 11:16.37 | mrynit | change themes? |
| 11:16.49 | AlexC_ | wols, http://paste2.org/p/89475 |
| 11:17.10 | JyZyXEL | mrynit im just trying to figure out what module is making this |
| 11:17.15 | JyZyXEL | so i can know what theme to change |
| 11:17.35 | wols | AlexC_: apt-cache policy the package |
| 11:18.07 | AlexC_ | wols, http://paste2.org/p/89476 |
| 11:18.55 | mrynit | JyZyXEL, ask in #gnome? |
| 11:19.07 | JyZyXEL | the channel is dead |
| 11:19.29 | AlexC_ | JyZyXEL, go to their IRC network, not Freenode - they are more active |
| 11:19.42 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 11:19.43 | mrynit | freenode has everything! |
| 11:20.03 | wols | AlexC_: oops. apt-cache show I meant |
| 11:20.57 | AlexC_ | wols, no worries, http://paste2.org/p/89477 |
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| 11:23.02 | kuribas | Does anyone know why printing from Galeon stopped working after upgrading? |
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| 11:24.03 | betz | hey! I want to install a pci wifi card from smc model smc2802w. How do i start? just starting linux, total noob |
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| 11:25.23 | mrynit | backports can really screw things up |
| 11:26.14 | cire | I have the D945CGLF2 (Atom 330) board. When installing Technisat DVB card with riser, I get wrong PCIID and Processor hangs (SOFT LOCKUP). WHen inserting without riser the card's PCIID is recognized correctly, but still SOFT LOCKUPS. When using another pci card, everything works. (with or without rider), and no lockups. What would be your conclusion? |
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| 11:26.37 | cire | s/rider/riser/ |
| 11:29.02 | wols | AlexC_: librmagick-ruby1.8 simply doesn't request X. does not. it must be some other reason it wants those packages |
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| 11:30.40 | cahoot | betz: what vendo and device ID's according to hwinfo --netcard? |
| 11:32.12 | wols | cire: marginal PCI implementation on card |
| 11:33.02 | cire | wols: Same card works perfectly in another Computer. |
| 11:33.11 | cire | forget to mention that |
| 11:33.25 | cire | s/forget/forgot/ |
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| 11:35.58 | Speereet | Hello. I'm looking for a RADIUS server for debian stable and I stumbled upon FreeRadius and GNURadius. FreeRadius is definitely more documented and supported, and I'd like to know why it's preferred. |
| 11:36.05 | chaosite | I'm trying to install lenny via usbkey and failing horribly because the mirrors don't have 2.6.24-1-amd64 modules anymore |
| 11:36.56 | chaosite | I've tried to update the kernel on the usbkey to 2.6.26-1-amd64, but that didn't help because my initrd doesn't have modules for the nic for that kernel |
| 11:37.11 | Speereet | Also, what is the safest way to update from debian stable (etch) to unstable (sid)? I tried aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade, and I ended up with locale issues and broken dependencies. |
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| 11:41.21 | betz | cahoot: dunno card isnt installed in the machine yet |
| 11:41.41 | cahoot | betz: what kernel? |
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| 11:43.06 | AlexC_ | wols, how do we find out this other reason? |
| 11:43.07 | herakles | Hi, my web server logs full with these lines: ::1 - - [20/Oct/2008:14:25:44 +0300] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 581 "-" "Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 (internal dummy connection)" There is nothing but only these lines in access.log. What could be the problem? |
| 11:43.12 | betz | cahoot: how do i know that? Is there any place that i can find the kernel? |
| 11:43.34 | cahoot | betz: uname -r |
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| 11:45.04 | betz | cahoot: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 11:45.48 | cahoot | betz: try (as root) modprobe p54 - any error? |
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| 11:46.21 | betz | cahoot: module p54 not found |
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| 11:48.28 | cahoot | betz: seems that device uses a module called prism54 (on older systems ) - p54 in newer kernels |
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| 11:54.26 | steampunkey | what's the channel limit? |
| 11:54.37 | petemc | 889 ? |
| 11:54.49 | petemc | it gets changed as needed |
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| 11:56.03 | cahoot | betz: hang on - does modprobe p54pci - succeed? |
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| 11:57.37 | Radhad | hi all |
| 11:58.17 | marinosi | hello..does apt.conf accepts code name in default release?Like lenny?I don't want to upgrade to testing when lenny releases.I want to stick with lenny |
| 11:58.26 | Radhad | does someone know an UPnP streaming server for Linux with Playstation 3 support which works in console? |
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| 11:59.08 | petemc | Radhad: ushare |
| 11:59.11 | steampunkey | looks at Radhad and thinks: doesn't get more specific than that. :-) |
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| 12:01.25 | Radhad | petemc, with ushare I can configure folders for sharing files? |
| 12:01.38 | betz | cahoot: 2sec, just installed the card, now starting up |
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| 12:01.53 | betz | cahoot: found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27916 |
| 12:02.02 | betz | cahoot: i have the v2 card |
| 12:02.45 | petemc | Radhad: yes |
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| 12:03.05 | cahoot | betz: looks to me p54pci should be in you kernel and support the device |
| 12:03.07 | petemc | Radhad: well, ive only used it to share out my home dir, not sure how find grained it can be |
| 12:03.33 | Radhad | well I would use it to share a folder which is normally available through SMB |
| 12:03.34 | cahoot | betz: provided you alsa install correct firmware |
| 12:04.25 | Radhad | does it work with debian lenny? |
| 12:04.52 | Radhad | probably only self-compiled I think |
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| 12:07.00 | petemc | i use the geexbox debs |
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| 12:08.48 | betz | cahoot: modprobe p54pci gives no error |
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| 12:09.30 | cahoot | betz: complaints about firmware in dmesg? |
| 12:09.41 | betz | dmesg? |
| 12:10.15 | cahoot | betz: yes - run demsg in a terminal and read the last 20 or so lines |
| 12:10.21 | cahoot | dmesg |
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| 12:12.12 | betz | cahoot: the last line is ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
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| 12:12.54 | betz | cahoot: but now there are 2 insternetcards, the onboard ethernetport and the smc wifi card |
| 12:13.03 | betz | cahoot: maybe its of importance |
| 12:13.08 | cahoot | betz: I guess you need dowload and install correct firmware |
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| 12:13.30 | ma3x | why when i have iceweasel running and a few websites open that have flash, im unable to use /dev/dsp? can i make iceweasel use alsa instead of directly grabbing /dev/dsp? |
| 12:14.31 | cahoot | betz: Imodprobe -r p54pci, then mosprobe p54pci and study dmesg for any complaints |
| 12:14.41 | cahoot | meh |
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| 12:15.18 | mandrake_ | how do I package my c program for debian? |
| 12:15.32 | asg | mandrake_: /msg dpkg mg |
| 12:15.56 | ma3x | what wireless cards are good and friendly to linux? |
| 12:16.02 | ma3x | or linux native may i say |
| 12:16.53 | cahoot | ma3x: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices |
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| 12:21.31 | ma3x | how to make iceweasel/flash-plugins use alsa anot not /dev/dsp? |
| 12:21.36 | Radhad | petemc, thx for help, I will try it when my PS3 gets delivered |
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| 12:24.20 | Eulex | ma3x, you use flash 9 or newer. |
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| 12:24.56 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.07 | Eulex | that should use alsa |
| 12:25.22 | Eulex | did you check with lsof? |
| 12:25.29 | ma3x | yes, it doesn't show anything |
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| 12:25.53 | Eulex | lsof|grep /dev/snd and lsof|grep /dev/pcm |
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| 12:27.33 | riot | hmm. is sid's virtualbox currently out of sync? my box is uptodate but virtualbox refuses the kernel-modules :/ |
| 12:27.49 | ma3x | Eulex: nothing comes up |
| 12:28.08 | ma3x | echo something > /dev/dsp says it's busy |
| 12:28.12 | Shadowcat | how do you configure XOrg for lenny |
| 12:28.26 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gives me nada |
| 12:28.30 | ma3x | im sure iceweasel is using it, because when i close it, it works |
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| 12:28.55 | Eulex | ma3x, if any application uses alsa, oss apps won't be able to play anything, because /dev/dsp will be busy. |
| 12:29.27 | ma3x | Eulex: so what does that mean? that iceweasel uses alsa? |
| 12:30.12 | Rienzilla | Hmmm, if my new server has horrible I/O performance with a clean etch install, is it possible to easily install a newer kernel in a debian-responsible way? |
| 12:30.23 | ma3x | Eulex: my problem is when i run iceweasel i'm unable to use voip ekiga |
| 12:30.34 | ma3x | maybe ekiga uses directly /dev/dsp? |
| 12:30.41 | Eulex | ma3x, probably, as from what I remember the new flash plugin doesn't do oss at all... not also that iceweasel does nothing, it's the flash plugin that does everything audio-related. you sure that lsof|grep /dev/snd outputs nothing? |
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| 12:30.56 | Eulex | ma3x, perhaps. I have never used ekiga. |
| 12:31.00 | riot | hmhmm. Ah, i think i got it fixed. But there seems some error in the module-assistant, as it can't get the right source-package automatically |
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| 12:31.05 | ma3x | yes sure lsof doesn't display anything |
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| 12:31.50 | Eulex | ma3x, from some quick dependency-checking, it appears that ekiga uses esd. install libesd-alsa0 to make esd able to use alsa. |
| 12:32.02 | dudeman | good morning |
| 12:32.47 | dudeman | lately every time I ssh to my my laptop and reconnect to screen, it takes close to 5 minutes before it shows up. I have about 20 channels, and my backlog is about a couple thousand lines, as I set in irssi. Do you think this could be causing it to slow down? |
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| 12:32.59 | dudeman | I mentioned this yesterday and I was told it could be swapping like crazy |
| 12:33.12 | dudeman | I used htop and I see swap 0, memory 90% close to, resources are fairly free |
| 12:33.14 | petemc | does the load on your laptop rise? |
| 12:33.18 | dudeman | I'm not sure where to start troubleshootin git |
| 12:33.32 | dudeman | petemc, that I did not check, I had to reboot it to get back into irssi just now |
| 12:33.41 | dudeman | petemc, actually no |
| 12:34.07 | dudeman | petemc, I reember, I connected to screen and it just kept processing, so I started another ssh session, and htop and looked at the cpu loads, normal |
| 12:34.25 | dudeman | like seemingly the laptop was idle, 2% cpu, 10% cpu, 4% |
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| 12:34.56 | ma3x | Eulex: i installed libesd-alsa0 but ekiga still can't use the sound. is it necessary to specify something in front like LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libaoss.so exec /usr/bin/ekiga "$@" |
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| 12:35.39 | dudeman | petemc, and its a lenny laptop |
| 12:36.02 | dudeman | I didn't see any memory leak bugs or anything like that for irssi package so far |
| 12:36.45 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.12 | petemc | and my load shoots up when its doing it |
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| 12:37.21 | jelly | ma3x: that's why you have "aoss" script so you can exec aoss ekiga "$@", and not have to mess with LD_* manually |
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| 12:37.25 | UniXoiDe | Hi all |
| 12:37.26 | dudeman | hmm |
| 12:37.38 | UniXoiDe | I wanna benchmark samba3 |
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| 12:38.03 | UniXoiDe | do you suggest some tools to do it? |
| 12:38.17 | petemc | time cp |
| 12:38.32 | ma3x | jelly: i still get the same warning, it doesn't help |
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| 12:40.06 | ma3x | jelly: actually there is a setting in ekiga to select whether to use hda audio or alsa |
| 12:40.13 | d-b_ | hi there where can one check the md5sum over https or an encryption connection to confirm that one is not mitmed on downloadnig keys to validate installation media ? |
| 12:40.15 | ma3x | but for some reason when i select alsa sound is not so good like hda intel |
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| 12:41.47 | dudeman | petemc, it never used to do that before, I remeber this behaviour manifested itself right after a lenny upgrade a few days back |
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| 12:42.03 | dudeman | petemc, ever since a few days ago, its been kicking my ass like this |
| 12:42.04 | dudeman | :( |
| 12:42.08 | jelly | ma3x: that is an unusual choice. can you do a screenshot of that config parameter shown? |
| 12:42.15 | dudeman | petemc, not sure what to attribute it to |
| 12:42.23 | jelly | ma3x: I think both choices are driven by alsa |
| 12:42.27 | ma3x | jelly: yeah hold on |
| 12:42.47 | dudeman | well |
| 12:42.56 | dudeman | lets just say it is all pete's fault and call it a day ;) |
| 12:45.11 | ma3x | jelly: http://77.29.224.95/1.png |
| 12:45.17 | screamingbytes | i just installed lenny, and im trying to hand compile a 3rd party module, its bitching that the kernel was compiled with 4.1 and I have gcc-4.3 which causes buggs |
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| 12:45.40 | dudeman | ma3x, there is a severe problem with that gtk2 engine |
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| 12:45.51 | dudeman | ma3x, I hate it because there is no mouseover color change on buttons |
| 12:46.10 | dudeman | ma3x, just because of that I've always hated this, how do you like it? |
| 12:46.23 | jelly | ma3x: that looks all right |
| 12:46.40 | d-b_ | anyone ? |
| 12:46.52 | dudeman | ma3x, that -is- sphere crystal isn't it? |
| 12:46.53 | ma3x | dudeman: i have no problems at all |
| 12:47.04 | dudeman | or whatever its called |
| 12:47.05 | ma3x | dudeman: the theme? |
| 12:47.07 | dudeman | yes |
| 12:47.09 | dudeman | the gtk2 engine |
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| 12:47.22 | ma3x | XLiquid |
| 12:47.26 | dudeman | link me |
| 12:47.36 | ma3x | go to freshmeat |
| 12:47.40 | dudeman | it looks exactly like the one in gnome-themes |
| 12:47.55 | ma3x | no idea, i like it |
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| 12:48.00 | dudeman | but the one in there doesn't make the buttons change color/hilight when you hover over it |
| 12:48.14 | dudeman | I like the general look, just that one pet peeve of mine is well you know |
| 12:48.16 | dudeman | a pet peeve |
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| 12:48.51 | ma3x | jelly: well it doesn't play/sound with those settings. i'd have to select default: ptlib/alsa out of the dropdown menus |
| 12:49.30 | jelly | shrugs ... he has no idea what ptlib is, or what ekiga does and can only offer generic alsa advice |
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| 12:49.42 | dudeman | ekiga is a video conferencing software |
| 12:49.46 | dudeman | isn't it? |
| 12:49.49 | dudeman | or voip |
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| 12:50.00 | dudeman | !ekiga |
| 12:50.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ekiga is a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". formerly known as 'gnomemeeting' |
| 12:50.01 | ma3x | both, i use it as voip |
| 12:50.05 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 12:52.05 | dudeman | hey, I'm not sure where to ask this question but uhm |
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| 12:52.34 | dudeman | is there a software in debian that can convert ascii guitar tabs to standard music notation? |
| 12:52.53 | screamingbytes | so my question is 1. can i use the system, config, files in /boot/grub to make an identical kernel using gcc-4.3, and 2. does deb save the cmd line used to compile the kernel when I upgraded it from the dist. |
| 12:53.09 | giusef | Hi. Is there the .img file of debian testing? I'd like to "dd" it into a USB stick for booting |
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| 12:53.20 | dudeman | giusef, no |
| 12:53.24 | dudeman | giusef, /msg dpkg ig |
| 12:53.28 | dudeman | read chapter 4 and 5 |
| 12:53.33 | KineticBug | Anyone know roughly the size (and link to) a debian image that will allow me basic debian features etc without using net install? |
| 12:53.40 | dudeman | !usb install |
| 12:53.40 | dpkg | [usb install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 12:53.41 | giusef | ok dudeman thanks |
| 12:53.43 | dudeman | np |
| 12:53.52 | dudeman | ahh, chapter 4.4 |
| 12:53.58 | dudeman | I was close! |
| 12:54.12 | LjjjL | now that apt-get supports the "autoremove" feature, how could i go about "backporting" it to packages i installed previously? i.e., i guess i want all top-tier packages (the ones that aren't dependencies of anything installed) to be marked as manually installed, and the rest as automatically |
| 12:54.17 | dudeman | well 5 tells you how to boot from the devices |
| 12:54.54 | Burps_ | Hi : I'm on etch, I have to do something like a kiosk, but can't use any plugin/addon to firefox. I've found "kazehakase" as a simple, basic browser, but it' doesn't use the full screen : Xorg uses 1360x768 (the whole screen is "seen"), and my browser only ises half the screen. The other half is "grey". Where should I inverstigate ? |
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| 12:55.17 | d-b | so there is no *secure* method of confirming the md5sum over plain internet.. |
| 12:55.45 | dudeman | LjjjL, chapter 2.2 of aptitude user guide |
| 12:55.56 | dudeman | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02.html |
| 12:56.50 | screamingbytes | d-b: do you have control of hte other machine? if so you could script it and automate it for files |
| 12:57.15 | dudeman | Burps_, why can't you use iceweasel+kiost addons |
| 12:57.23 | nnull | is debian just the cli base on which u can install fluxbox kde etc for a GUI if you wished?? |
| 12:57.31 | dudeman | nnull, yes |
| 12:57.34 | giusef | Is Cd1 of Debian testing sufficient to install a base system? |
| 12:57.40 | dudeman | giusef, yes |
| 12:57.42 | LjjjL | dudeman: if you're referring to the "mark auto" and "mark manual" functions, i'm aware of those, but 1) i'd like a solution that *automatically* scans for top-tier packages, not having to hunt them and enter them manually, 2) does aptitude's auto-installed database actually sync with apt-get's one? |
| 12:57.57 | giusef | I'd like to install a base system and then install the rest from the net |
| 12:58.03 | giusef | dudeman ok |
| 12:58.16 | d-b | screamingbytes: no i'm thinkging of pulling down an iso or two and posting them online. where i have validated them. |
| 12:58.20 | dudeman | LjjjL, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 12:58.20 | nnull | anyone know what the minimum system debian can run on off head? |
| 12:58.23 | nnull | hand* |
| 12:58.24 | screamingbytes | giusef: use netinst or businesscard |
| 12:58.25 | Burps_ | dudeman: because when updating/upgrading, addons are a a messy thing we would prefer not to deal with... |
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| 12:58.38 | d-b | storing md5sums / sha1sums on a https site. |
| 12:58.55 | dudeman | LjjjL, I'm not positive on exactly what your solution would be, but that should be a good start |
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| 12:59.18 | dudeman | Burps_, I've not experience running kiost stations |
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| 12:59.48 | giusef | screamingbytes: netinst does not detect my dial-up interface (ppp0), but only ethernet and wireless, so I cannot use it, though. |
| 12:59.57 | LjjjL | dudeman: well, i certainly could think of writing a script to check for reverse depends of every package, and then if it doesn't have any, mark as manual, otherwise as automatic... i suppose |
| 13:00.18 | dudeman | perhaps |
| 13:00.29 | screamingbytes | giusef: what about businesscard? they detect different stuff |
| 13:00.43 | dudeman | LjjjL, you really should hang on until stew gets around, he is a our resident aptitude guru |
| 13:00.44 | giusef | screamingbytes: I don't know businesscard |
| 13:00.52 | dudeman | LjjjL, he could probably guide you better than I |
| 13:00.56 | LjjjL | ok |
| 13:01.00 | screamingbytes | giusef: its on the same dl page |
| 13:01.40 | dudeman | cd1 should be fine, but if netinst isn't picking up your hardware, cd1 won't either. |
| 13:02.00 | dudeman | both installation media have the same drivers in the initrd |
| 13:02.08 | giusef | screamingbytes: I read about businesscard, but it seems it's more minimal then netinst |
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| 13:02.32 | abrotman | the business card *requires* the internet to get a functional install |
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| 13:02.57 | screamingbytes | giusef: yes it is but you may try it, it may detect your ppp0 |
| 13:03.06 | abrotman | why would it? |
| 13:03.13 | dudeman | screamingbytes, pay attention. |
| 13:03.34 | screamingbytes | dudeman: im listening dudeman, what |
| 13:03.47 | giusef | I think debian installer should detect ppp0 as well as eth0 and ath0 |
| 13:03.50 | abrotman | giusef: what kind of dialup is it? |
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| 13:03.58 | giusef | abrotman: cell phone |
| 13:04.06 | Danny659 | anyone able to help me out with setting my interfaces to promisc.... |
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| 13:04.27 | dudeman | Danny659, you've tried googling yet? |
| 13:04.35 | dudeman | its a piece of cake really |
| 13:04.36 | Shadur | Danny659: Run tcpdump? |
| 13:04.37 | abrotman | giusef: you could use ppp after the installation is over to use the cell phone .. like maybe pppconfig |
| 13:04.43 | Danny659 | ive used the ifconfig eth? promisc but wanted to know how to add it perm.... |
| 13:05.06 | Danny659 | yer ive googled it, but the synatx i found for the scripts havent worked |
| 13:05.31 | giusef | abrotman, well, basically I need ppp to install debian. |
| 13:05.39 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 13:05.44 | giusef | abrotman: why? |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | use the netinst .. then use pppconfig to setup your cell phone (it's bluetooth?) |
| 13:06.19 | giusef | abrotman: no usb. Does netinst install a base system without the network? |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:06.29 | giusef | ah, great |
| 13:06.30 | abrotman | the business card *requires* the internet to get a functional install |
| 13:06.32 | Danny659 | anyone |
| 13:06.53 | dudeman | you don't want netboot/business card |
| 13:06.55 | dudeman | you only want netinst |
| 13:07.02 | dudeman | or cd1 etc. etc. |
| 13:07.24 | dudeman | Danny659, don't make it perm. |
| 13:07.25 | petemc | Danny659: you can add it as a post up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:07.26 | giusef | dudeman: nice, so now I have to create a bootable usb stick with netinst |
| 13:07.45 | dudeman | giusef, yes |
| 13:07.53 | giusef | thanks guys :) |
| 13:07.54 | dudeman | basically if you want, you can have cd1 |
| 13:07.55 | Danny659 | dudeman: but what about on a reoot |
| 13:07.57 | dudeman | full iso |
| 13:08.11 | dudeman | or if you usb is big enough, you can fit all of debian dvd in it |
| 13:08.17 | Danny659 | dudeman: what line would i put into my interface file |
| 13:08.24 | dudeman | as iso files, and then make the usb bootable with debian and thats it |
| 13:08.30 | dudeman | it will use the hd-media installer function |
| 13:08.35 | Danny659 | ! pastebin |
| 13:08.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:08.42 | dudeman | Danny659, you shouldn't make it perm. |
| 13:08.49 | giusef | dudeman it's another solution, but I think netinst is a more suitable way for me |
| 13:08.54 | screamingbytes | dudeman: so what you / abrotman were saying is that businesscard requires a functioning network eth0/ath0 |
| 13:08.57 | Danny659 | dudeman : but wont it go after a reboot |
| 13:09.59 | dudeman | screamingbytes, yes |
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| 13:10.10 | screamingbytes | dudeman: aye, ty |
| 13:10.14 | dudeman | screamingbytes, that iso is only 50ish mb, and does not contain the entire base system which it has to fetch from the network |
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| 13:10.25 | dudeman | screamingbytes, netinst is 170is mb which is the entire base system |
| 13:10.48 | dudeman | screamingbytes, netboot is a mere kernel and initrd that start isntallation and needs to even download the debian installer from the network |
| 13:11.01 | dudeman | you do not neccessirly have to have 'internet' per se, but just network access |
| 13:11.10 | Danny659 | So i what is the syntax |
| 13:11.22 | dudeman | Danny659, as a last line in /etc/network/interfaces you need to post-up it |
| 13:11.32 | screamingbytes | dudeman: understood, ty, i didn't understand it to work that way |
| 13:11.34 | dudeman | Danny659, like post-up whatever command |
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| 13:11.55 | Danny659 | dudeman : ok so post-up ifconfig eth1 promisc |
| 13:12.03 | dudeman | yes |
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| 13:12.07 | Danny659 | cool |
| 13:12.11 | dudeman | shouldn't do it |
| 13:12.22 | Danny659 | debian is slighty different to ubuntu right |
| 13:12.29 | dudeman | obviously. |
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| 13:13.25 | Danny659 | dudeman : one last thing do i still need the iface eth1 inet maual |
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| 13:13.35 | dudeman | I dunno nothin! |
| 13:13.49 | abrotman | Danny659: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:14.49 | Danny659 | ! pastebin |
| 13:14.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 13:15.29 | HNT | Hello everybody, is there any way to make an Intel 5100 wifi chipset work under Debian Lenny ? |
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| 13:15.53 | abrotman | HNT: i believe they did not add the support til .27? |
| 13:16.06 | boka | dselect finds hash sum mismatch |
| 13:16.08 | abrotman | !tell HNT about iwl5100 |
| 13:16.27 | boka | is that serious ? |
| 13:16.34 | HNT | abrotman : thank you |
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| 13:17.48 | Danny659 | so is this right http://paste.debian.net/19626/ |
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| 13:20.08 | Danny659 | ?? |
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| 13:20.52 | dudeman | try it |
| 13:21.01 | Brawny18 | ïðèâåò âñåì!!! åñòü êòî ðóññêèé?? |
| 13:21.05 | dudeman | trial and error my friend |
| 13:21.08 | dudeman | Brawny18, turkish? |
| 13:21.08 | Danny659 | i have and it doesnt work |
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| 13:21.28 | dudeman | Danny659, then it must be wrong, right? |
| 13:21.29 | Brawny18 | íåò, ðóññêèé |
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| 13:21.38 | dudeman | Brawny18, this is an English only channel |
| 13:21.52 | dudeman | Brawny18, what is your native language? |
| 13:21.52 | Danny659 | dudeman : it cant be that hard just to set a interface to promisc.... |
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| 13:22.04 | Brawny18 | I russian |
| 13:22.11 | dudeman | Brawny18, #debian-ru |
| 13:22.12 | asg | !ru |
| 13:22.12 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 13:22.19 | dudeman | ahh russian |
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| 13:22.34 | Danny659 | can you just rype into pastebin what you think it should be |
| 13:22.42 | dudeman | Danny659, no |
| 13:22.54 | dudeman | you need to figure this out |
| 13:22.59 | Danny659 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.00 | dudeman | and along the way you'll learn many other things |
| 13:23.07 | dudeman | its for your own good |
| 13:23.16 | dudeman | this is not #ubuntu |
| 13:23.24 | Danny659 | I KNOW |
| 13:23.37 | lol3izer | yes, learning linux is better looked at as why and how to do things |
| 13:23.42 | lol3izer | rather than what to do |
| 13:24.09 | lol3izer | because if you just paste magical incantations |
| 13:24.14 | lol3izer | you wont learn anything |
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| 13:24.50 | Danny659 | trust me i know linux, all other distos... im half way through building a esxi vmware vlan, and this small thing i just havent got much time for |
| 13:25.04 | lol3izer | well |
| 13:25.08 | lol3izer | you are not paying us |
| 13:25.11 | lol3izer | to provide support |
| 13:25.16 | lol3izer | so, take or leave what we have to say |
| 13:25.24 | dudeman | thats not very nice. |
| 13:25.36 | dudeman | Danny659, abrotman told you what to read |
| 13:25.43 | dudeman | Danny659, its not a long manual either |
| 13:25.47 | lol3izer | and basicly, you are asking us to do the same thing you should be doing yourself, look it u |
| 13:25.48 | lol3izer | p |
| 13:26.01 | lol3izer | there is no reason you cannot do the same |
| 13:26.26 | asg | !enter |
| 13:26.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 13:26.44 | lol3izer | indeed |
| 13:26.49 | OpenTokix | ind |
| 13:26.50 | OpenTokix | eed |
| 13:26.54 | lol3izer | ;) |
| 13:27.08 | Phil4 | how would I copy the device node /dev/hda1 into another dev directory so that I may chroot and still access the device? |
| 13:27.14 | dudeman | I slept 11 hours and I'm still sleepy |
| 13:27.18 | dudeman | ahhh boy |
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| 13:27.39 | inSanity_ | hey ppl |
| 13:27.40 | dudeman | Phil4, mount --bind |
| 13:27.55 | dudeman | I think |
| 13:28.19 | wols | Phil4: you can't. /dev is a virtual directory |
| 13:28.35 | inSanity_ | I'd like to build some custom triggers into SNMP using SNMP extentions, anyone familiair with SNMPd extentions ? |
| 13:28.43 | Phil4 | perhaps I'm thinking about it the wrong way, wols |
| 13:28.45 | wols | Phil4: you use udev so creation of device nodes are created automatically on every boot |
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| 13:29.10 | Phil4 | I have a writable device mounted in a read-only filesystem (rescue cd boot) |
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| 13:29.25 | Phil4 | i.e. /root is writable, the rest of / isn't |
| 13:29.32 | argus28 | Does anyone here know how I can see who the process owner is in Debian? |
| 13:29.38 | wols | Phil4: doesn't matter with /dev |
| 13:29.58 | Tankado | Hello i cant d/l the sun-java6-jdk package, its tells me its not found what can i do? |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | Tankado: which version of debian and which arch? |
| 13:30.19 | Phil4 | I need to run ext3grep from inside /root, however it looks for libstdc++.so.6 in /usr/lib/ rather than /root/usr/lib/ |
| 13:30.25 | lol3izer | !package search |
| 13:30.25 | dpkg | i heard package search is to find the package that provides a file, go to http://package.debian.org/ , at the bottom of that page enter the file to find in the "Search the Contents of the Latest Release" search, select which distro and arch to search in, and submit, or use 'auto-apt search filename' |
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| 13:30.36 | Tankado | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.36 | Phil4 | and if I chroot inside /root, it runs fine but clearly can't access the /dev/hda1 device node |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | Tankado: that's not debian |
| 13:30.49 | Phil4 | what would you suggest I do? |
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| 13:30.55 | wols | Phil4: bind mount your /dev to /root/dev then |
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| 13:31.21 | wols | abrotman: it might be one of those webhoster specific kernels. morons, all of them |
| 13:31.28 | Phil4 | mount --bind /dev /root/dev |
| 13:31.28 | Phil4 | ? |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | looks like an elive to me |
| 13:31.42 | asg | it's an OpenVZ kernel |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | blames asg |
| 13:31.59 | asg | on a RHEL / Centos5 host |
| 13:32.03 | dudeman | its really all pete's fault anyway |
| 13:32.12 | Tankado | asg : ok then how can i install java-jdk on it? |
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| 13:32.24 | wols | !tell Tankado about install java |
| 13:32.35 | asg | Tankado: yum search <foo> |
| 13:33.02 | themill | suspects that anything that begins with "yum" is offtopic here :) |
| 13:33.27 | dudeman | yummy I love coco pebbles |
| 13:33.28 | Tankado | thank you |
| 13:33.32 | SlayerXP | yummy-mummys aren't |
| 13:33.32 | dudeman | =D |
| 13:33.51 | dudeman | oh crap I'm all out of coco pebbles! |
| 13:33.52 | argus28 | Can someone help me with a command in debian to see who the process owner is? |
| 13:34.03 | LjjjL | ps aux? |
| 13:34.06 | dudeman | man ps |
| 13:34.14 | dudeman | -u |
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| 13:35.19 | argus28 | thanks |
| 13:35.25 | argus28 | ps aux worked fine |
| 13:35.26 | dudeman | ps auxf |grep username |
| 13:35.26 | dudeman | ? |
| 13:35.32 | inSanity_ | anyone familiair with snmp and extentions for the manager? |
| 13:35.35 | dudeman | f shows tree format |
| 13:35.48 | dudeman | inSanity_, no, no one is |
| 13:35.52 | dudeman | inSanity_, unlucky. |
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| 13:39.44 | argus28 | Just another question.. I don't know if this is a debian or an apache question. but i want to know if it's secure for apache to be executed by root? (all the sub processes are www-data) |
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| 13:40.50 | lol3izer | it has to be |
| 13:40.53 | lol3izer | to open port 80 |
| 13:41.16 | argus28 | ah.. ok.. but is that safe.. we our server hacked this week.. |
| 13:42.03 | argus28 | so we're trying to buff up security as much as we can |
| 13:42.04 | lol3izer | its as safe as it can be made |
| 13:42.04 | lol3izer | there is no way around it |
| 13:42.04 | lol3izer | a process from root |
| 13:42.04 | lol3izer | is needed to open port 80 |
| 13:42.04 | argus28 | cool.. thanks for the info |
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| 13:42.53 | dudeman | its not port 80 |
| 13:43.05 | dudeman | its whatever you configure, and nothing can acess raw sockets in linux other than root |
| 13:43.18 | dudeman | it has nothing to do with apache per se |
| 13:43.22 | lol3izer | well |
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| 13:43.32 | lol3izer | under the assumption its using port 80 |
| 13:43.39 | dudeman | I understood |
| 13:43.40 | lol3izer | which is a fairly safe one |
| 13:43.45 | lol3izer | no need to be a pedant :P |
| 13:43.50 | dudeman | I was extrapolating on your info |
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| 13:43.57 | dudeman | off* |
| 13:44.15 | lol3izer | also, it has nothing to do with raw sockets |
| 13:44.21 | dudeman | sure it does |
| 13:44.24 | lol3izer | just a tcp port below 1024 |
| 13:44.38 | wols | !enter |
| 13:44.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:44.43 | lol3izer | apache does not open raw sockets, why would it? |
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| 13:50.47 | Graveworm | Hi all :). Ok. I know this is a very stupid description but I've absolutely no clue what causes the problem so I need some hints. I've a server running webmin. But connecting to and using webmin is very slow. I mean to complete loading of all icons of a site it lasts for about 30 secs...All other services like smb, ftp etc. are working fine. The only thing I recognized was if I type "route" on bash the first entry ("localnet") comes up immediately but t |
| 13:50.47 | Graveworm | he second entry ("default") needs some seconds to come up. On another machine there is no lag. |
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| 13:51.27 | lol3izer | thats accually a fairly normal thing, across all unixes |
| 13:51.36 | lol3izer | and I have absolutely no idea what causes it |
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| 13:52.15 | DigitalOktay | Hello |
| 13:52.17 | Freddie` | hello guys :) |
| 13:52.26 | DigitalOktay | Hox can i find the new debian artwork wallpaper |
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| 13:52.39 | DigitalOktay | *how |
| 13:52.45 | Freddie` | is there a way to install OpenOffice.org without installing gcj? i alredy have sun-java6-bin... |
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| 13:53.29 | gothenburg | hello |
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| 13:53.57 | Freddie` | DigitalOktay: kde-look.org, gnome-look.org, xfce-look.org |
| 13:54.20 | maligor | Freddie`, do you have sun-java6-jre? |
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| 13:54.29 | gothenburg | Isn't it dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 13:54.36 | Freddie` | maligor: no.. |
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| 13:54.50 | gothenburg | oh, now it worked |
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| 13:55.04 | Freddie` | maligor: should i install it and aptitude won't install gcj ? |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | DigitalOktay: something like art.debian.net |
| 13:55.40 | maligor | Freddie`, yeah, the dependency seems to be on that package |
| 13:56.07 | gothenburg | What can I do when it says "Broken package" ? |
| 13:56.14 | maligor | or if you use unstable, you could also use openjdk6 :P |
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| 13:56.30 | abrotman | gothenburg: give us more information |
| 13:56.33 | Freddie` | i'm on lenny |
| 13:57.25 | gothenburg | abrotman: I am trying to install apache2-mpm-prefok but it says "E: broken package" (translated from swedish) |
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| 13:57.34 | maligor | heh, doubt openjdk is on lenny |
| 13:57.40 | abrotman | !icedtea |
| 13:57.41 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
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| 13:57.49 | gothenburg | I'm using the swedish mirror from debian |
| 13:57.52 | tech13 | How would you go about setting up a system to call a phone number and play a canned message? ie: "the server is down" |
| 13:57.53 | abrotman | gothenburg: need more info .. it should tell you why somewhere |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | tech13: but the system is down |
| 13:58.16 | themill | maligor: it is |
| 13:58.21 | themill | judd: versions openjdk-6-jdk |
| 13:58.22 | judd | themill: openjdk-6-jdk: 6b11-9 (lenny) 6b11-9 (sid) 6b12~pre2-1 (experimental) |
| 13:58.29 | maligor | oh, interesting |
| 13:58.44 | tech13 | abrotman, was planning on setting it up on an office system to watch our public systems. |
| 13:58.48 | gothenburg | Because: apache2.2-common (=2.2.9-10) but it will not install |
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| 13:59.15 | abrotman | tech13: why not just have it send you a text message .. |
| 13:59.18 | wols | gothenburg: unless you give us the FULL output of your apt command in english -> no help |
| 13:59.22 | wols | !tell gothenburg about errors |
| 13:59.24 | themill | Freddie`: can you pastebin the actual output of aptitude or apt-get install whatever-you-are doing? |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | tech13: many cell companies have an email address to send to for your phone |
| 14:00.28 | gothenburg | Maybe it's not in incoming then |
| 14:00.33 | gothenburg | I'm using testing. |
| 14:00.42 | themill | gothenburg: put LANG=C in front of the command for us will help. Also, try running aptitude update first too. |
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| 14:04.57 | gothenburg | bl'a' |
| 14:06.18 | rahsputin | is there a way to make a netboot install without knowing the MAC of the machine to be installed ( NetCard= SiS 900/7016 PCI Adapters DOS ODI Driver v1.100(001228) |
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| 14:17.47 | Cybo-test | Debian Lenny, Xen 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64: I find I am supposed to install libc6-xen or move /lib/tls. I don't have either, can someone shed some light on this for me? |
| 14:18.29 | Cybo-test | there is no /lib/tls and there is no libc6-xen to install |
| 14:19.30 | Cybo-test | I looked in /lib/32 and /lib/64 also |
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| 14:19.54 | rjd | how much memory can debian etch allocate per process in i386 bigmem? |
| 14:20.13 | rjd | seem to be between 2.2-2.7, depending on kernel/distribution |
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| 14:21.00 | Cybo-test | errr I mean /lib32 and /lib64 |
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| 14:21.54 | Eulex | rjd, total address space is 4gb, then some is used for the kernel, and some is used for direct memory access to hardware. |
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| 14:22.43 | rjd | Eulex: so its total 4G for the OS, and not per process at all? |
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| 14:23.54 | Eulex | rjd, no, the part of the address space that is used by processes is modified on process switch. |
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| 14:25.05 | rjd | so in reality, with a machine dedicated for mysql running nothing else, how much memory can I expect the mysql process to be able to allocate? |
| 14:25.52 | OpenTokix | rjd: I say, get a 64 bit machine if you are running a huge mysql |
| 14:26.01 | Eulex | so do I. |
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| 14:26.33 | rjd | thats not relevant to my question :) |
| 14:26.38 | Eulex | I'm not sure how much available ram you would get, but as I said, it depends on kernel and hardware |
| 14:26.50 | OpenTokix | rjd: Hardware is free today, so is ram - if you expect to run a huge database, for some huge webapp. you bandwidth cost will make any hardware-price seem like peanuts |
| 14:27.12 | OpenTokix | rjd: We are trying to let you in to the 22nd century by getting real hardware. |
| 14:27.22 | rjd | OpenTokix: what does bandwidth has got to do with it? |
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| 14:27.43 | OpenTokix | rjd: I am assuming you run som webapp with your database |
| 14:27.53 | koollman | rjd: given your informations, I would say 'about as much as the database size, plus a bit more for request handling'. |
| 14:28.33 | d-b | rjd: all of it. |
| 14:28.50 | rjd | d-b: discussing i386, not 64-bit, hence my question |
| 14:28.52 | d-b | minus what the oses uses and what mysql dont give it / doesn't want. |
| 14:29.01 | rjd | Okey |
| 14:29.26 | rjd | I suppose a worst case scenario is a mysql crash if over allocating memory, what do you guys think? |
| 14:29.30 | d-b | rjd: test it your self. memcache might be wht you are looking after. |
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| 14:29.34 | d-b | ~memcache |
| 14:29.41 | d-b | mencache is it ? |
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| 14:30.28 | d-b | !memcache |
| 14:30.33 | d-b | !memcached |
| 14:30.36 | geek | hmm |
| 14:30.43 | d-b | no. odd. dpkg doesn't know about it. |
| 14:31.01 | rjd | d-b: we're implementing it, but right now I need to tweak the mysqld to its max |
| 14:31.12 | d-b | dpkg: memcache is memcached is a high-performance, distributed memory object caching system, generic in nature, but intended for use in speeding up dynamic web applications by alleviating database load. http://www.danga.com/memcached/ |
| 14:31.12 | dpkg | okay, d-b |
| 14:31.15 | et | rjd: 32bit userspace/32bit kernel: 3gb per process, 32bit userspace/64bit kernel: 4gb per process, 64/64: more gb than you can physically put into your machine ;) |
| 14:31.18 | geek | i'm trying to remember how to use crontab to start up a script on boot. its crontab -e then /path/to/script start @reboot right? |
| 14:31.35 | rjd | but this database is only a cache for large BLOB data, and hence memcached will be alot better |
| 14:31.38 | rjd | thanks et |
| 14:32.07 | rjd | geek: you can use rc.local or init.d instead |
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| 14:33.37 | geek | rjd: in this case i need to start it up as a user, and it does seem a simpler method |
| 14:33.43 | geek | i just can't remember how i did it |
| 14:33.53 | d-b | geek: su username ? |
| 14:34.11 | geek | d-b: crontab is per user. i just don't remember how the command went ;p |
| 14:34.30 | wols | geek: it's bad method. you misuse cron |
| 14:35.18 | cr3rzemjest | anszwer mi kÅeszczon |
| 14:35.41 | rjd | geek: su - userhere -c "command" |
| 14:36.07 | geek | rjd: i need to do it at boot, every boot |
| 14:36.11 | rjd | rc.local? |
| 14:36.16 | geek | erf |
| 14:36.19 | geek | where's that? |
| 14:36.20 | rjd | (: |
| 14:36.25 | rjd | /etc/rc.local |
| 14:36.44 | rjd | called on most runlevels (2,3,4,5) |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | !tell geek about run at startup |
| 14:37.33 | geek | and... |
| 14:37.40 | geek | that answered my original question... |
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| 14:37.44 | geek | "as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot" |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | don't blame me .. i was doing real work! :) |
| 14:38.07 | geek | abrotman: no worries ;p |
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| 14:39.05 | ttuttle | just finished setting up Debian on a nice old Alpha box. |
| 14:39.25 | geek | ttuttle: sweet |
| 14:39.33 | ttuttle | geek: Yeah, it's nice. |
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| 14:40.50 | abrotman | ttuttle: i got a sickly one here if you want it :) |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | thinks the CPU toasted |
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| 14:41.11 | ttuttle | abrotman: :-( |
| 14:41.13 | geek | has a SGI octane with no display ;p |
| 14:41.18 | ttuttle | abrotman: /me wouldn't know how to fix it. |
| 14:41.21 | ttuttle | geek: Oh, cool! |
| 14:41.29 | abrotman | ttuttle: i've got two more of the same variety .. not a big deal |
| 14:41.36 | ttuttle | abrotman: Ah. |
| 14:41.38 | geek | i'm probably getting a adaptor once i get a job ;p |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | geek: and you'll need a special SoG monitor IIRC |
| 14:42.14 | geek | abrotman: hence the need for the adaptor, which will let me use any modern LCD |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | you hope .. |
| 14:42.54 | geek | lol |
| 14:42.56 | geek | a fair bit |
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| 14:43.01 | abrotman | i tried one of those adapters for a regular PC CRT on an SGI/Sun .. didn't work |
| 14:43.12 | geek | not gonna use a CRT |
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| 14:43.42 | abrotman | i realize that .. |
| 14:43.52 | abrotman | but the adapter was still spuposed to work, and didn't |
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| 14:44.12 | abrotman | i had to have three machines with three monitors .. 1 PC, 1 SGI, 1 Sun |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | 19", 20", 21" :) |
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| 14:44.34 | abrotman | oh wait .. the SGI was the 21" |
| 14:44.41 | geek | the SGI works with PCs ;p |
| 14:44.51 | geek | in theory |
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| 14:44.57 | abrotman | geek: this one did not, it was an old Indigo2 |
| 14:45.09 | geek | abrotman: i THINK the octane is older... |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | (though it did have the CrystalVision adapter .. or whatever that thing was) |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | geek: i don't think it is .. but . this is getting a bit OT |
| 14:45.38 | geek | oh my bad |
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| 14:45.42 | geek | very OT ;p |
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| 14:54.25 | cr3rzemjest | can you input additional options in alternatives? update-alternatives allows selecting app only. can i edit it somehow to add options to app? e.g. xterm? |
| 14:54.36 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: you can't |
| 14:54.41 | cr3rzemjest | \amethyst, why |
| 14:55.03 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: because an alternative is just a link to another file |
| 14:55.10 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: you could write a script I guess |
| 14:55.10 | naiv_ | I have a TextField object, and the property alpha doesn't work, why ? |
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| 14:55.53 | cr3rzemjest | like, put the script in /etc/ and change symlink ? |
| 14:56.39 | asulao | hello. trying to install debian etch r4 on a macbook pro, without success. Made it to install and boot into text mode. X doesn't seem to work from installer, and network either. Help :-) |
| 14:56.42 | cr3rzemjest | \amethyst, can i change symlink manually? |
| 14:56.59 | cr3rzemjest | edit |
| 14:58.47 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: if you use update-alternatives to add it you might be able to (but i'm not sure); i have choices for aterm-xterm, and rxvt, and such |
| 14:58.48 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: hm, probably not a good idea. preferred would be to create your own alternative with update-alternatives --install ... |
| 14:59.06 | enouf | that way ^^^, if any, yep |
| 14:59.29 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: take a look at, for example, the gnome-terminal or rxvt postinst to see how to call it |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | you can add one |
| 14:59.54 | cr3rzemjest | i just thought if some app wanted to pass arguments to terminal, it would pass them to that script so it wouldn't work |
| 14:59.55 | abrotman | isn't that what he was askign ? |
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| 15:00.07 | cr3rzemjest | am i right? |
| 15:00.47 | gigo | I get this error when I run GNU Solfege: /usr/lib/solfege/_solfege_c_midi.so: undefined symbol: awe_set_channel_mode |
| 15:00.55 | gigo | You should configure sound from the preferences window, and try to use an external midi player. Or try to recompile the program and check for error messages to see why the module is not built. |
| 15:01.02 | gigo | how should I fix this? I am using Debian Lenny |
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| 15:01.20 | gigo | Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 15:02.15 | asulao | is there a network configuration tool (like etch installer dvd one) to run in text mode ? |
| 15:02.22 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: you can call an alternative with arguments |
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| 15:02.40 | Si1ver1ock | i can't shutdown my box, i had a bash crash so i open a new term and did a shutdown -h now but it won't shut down... |
| 15:02.58 | abrotman | so turn it off |
| 15:03.04 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: what you can't do (without writing a script and making that an alternative) is to automatically add arguments in addition to the ones the user supplied |
| 15:03.09 | enouf | asulao: i guess you mean ncurses? |
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| 15:03.58 | Si1ver1ock | i've never seen a debian box not shutdown before, it still takes commands and all but won't shut down |
| 15:04.00 | asulao | enouf: that's for network configuration?? |
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| 15:04.13 | enouf | asulao: anyway, i don't know, i prefer the shell for that i guess |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: halt? poweroff? |
| 15:04.31 | \amethyst | asulao: no, ncurses is a kind of text-based user interface |
| 15:04.36 | enouf | asulao: when you say text mode, you mean ncurses |
| 15:04.42 | Si1ver1ock | i'll try halt |
| 15:04.58 | \amethyst | asulao: usually we just edit /etc/network/interfaces with a text editor |
| 15:05.01 | asulao | enouf: Once etch is installed I wanted to re-run networking config to see if network card on macbook is detected and configure network |
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| 15:05.33 | asulao | enouf: installer didn't make /dev/eth* files, however modprobe sky2 doesn't seem to complain |
| 15:05.41 | enouf | asulao: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 15:05.56 | enouf | asulao: check dmesg ; /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:05.56 | \amethyst | asulao: network devices don't have device files in Linux |
| 15:06.09 | enouf | asulao: there are no /dev/ethX files |
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| 15:06.24 | asulao | wops, so I thought it did hehe :) |
| 15:06.27 | enouf | asulao: usae ifconfig, and ls /sys/class/net |
| 15:06.36 | enouf | s/usae/use |
| 15:07.12 | enouf | asulao: dmesg | grep eth (for example) |
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| 15:07.22 | nnts | a want a bunch of instances of a script to do something at the same time and it cannot be scheduled, is sending a signal to all PIDs the most reasonable thing to do or is there something better? |
| 15:07.28 | asulao | however, once I modprobe sky2, shouldn't ethernet light turn on in hub ? |
| 15:07.34 | enouf | well. .. or wlan0, whatever |
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| 15:08.25 | acidfreeze | hi i have a ati radeonhd 3450, what driver should i use? |
| 15:08.34 | enouf | nnts: too vague |
| 15:08.45 | enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 15:08.45 | dpkg | <radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 15:09.26 | acidfreeze | my card was not listed... when i was looking for the support of radeonhd |
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| 15:09.57 | nnts | enouf: I'm ussing a workaround for polling trough AJAX, when a certain even happens on irc, all instances of a cgi script are to be told to terminate and return user(s) data |
| 15:10.02 | asulao | enouf: I'll try all that thanks |
| 15:10.06 | enouf | acidfreeze: ask in #radeon, but i suppose the xorg radeon driver would work, not sure |
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| 15:10.43 | enouf | nnts: the only thing i know about ajax is it contains bleach :-p |
| 15:11.02 | themill | doesn't think he's heard the words "ajax" "irc" and "cgi" all used in the same sentence before. |
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| 15:12.05 | nnts | enouf: that's ok, what I want to know is if you got some message to send to many scripts is it ok to use signals? like kill -s STOPNOW $PID |
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| 15:12.17 | asulao | enouf: dmsg | grep eth ==>>> eth1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
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| 15:12.28 | asulao | enouf: that means ethernet's there right ? |
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| 15:12.32 | cr3rzemjest | ok, can somebody tell me why this doesn't work? |
| 15:12.34 | cr3rzemjest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.55 | cr3rzemjest | ' |
| 15:13.07 | mcpenney | Is there a way to use apt-get to get a particular revision of an applications source instead of the newest revision? |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | asulao: taht's your firewire |
| 15:13.42 | themill | mcpenney: packagename=version will work, but only if that version is actually available. And doing so normally indicates that you're doing something all wrong. |
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| 15:14.22 | enouf | asulao: looks good to me - lspci -nn should also show you your devices, grep dmesg for ohci1394, and lsmod, but run ifconfig -a (or iwconfig) and ls /sys/class/net |
| 15:14.25 | asulao | abrotman: argh, don't have firewire net |
| 15:14.28 | cr3rzemjest | lolz, no "'"'s solved the problem |
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| 15:14.57 | abrotman | enouf: that's his firewire .. not a real eth device |
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| 15:15.24 | enouf | abrotman: a phony eth0? |
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| 15:15.43 | mcpenney | themill: I'm compiling a cross-compiler from a wiki's instructions and am just trying to limit differences between my machine and the instructions. So apt-get source binutils=2.17 ? |
| 15:15.43 | abrotman | AFAIK .. doesn't take a cat5 cable |
| 15:15.46 | asulao | so then etch doesn't detect my eth, right ? |
| 15:16.15 | abrotman | asulao: what are you on? a mac? what does 'lspci -nn' show for a network device? |
| 15:16.16 | enouf | asulao: do what i mentioned - it might not be named ethX |
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| 15:16.48 | asulao | enouf: ifconfig -a shows only eth0 and lo |
| 15:17.00 | asulao | and light on switch is off |
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| 15:17.08 | asulao | (like if ether card is off) |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | asulao: what does 'lspci -nn' show for a network device? |
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| 15:18.16 | asulao | there's an ethernet controller, I'll copy it by hand: |
| 15:18.22 | enouf | nnts: well, i don't think so, there's likely a better way - not sure offhand |
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| 15:18.48 | nnts | enouf: I see |
| 15:18.59 | asulao | Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device (rev 13) |
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| 15:20.05 | asulao | and then there's the other one: FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas instruments, etc.... |
| 15:20.21 | enouf | asulao: run update-pciids |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | asulao: uname -r .. which version ? |
| 15:20.38 | indraveni | hi all, if Iam trying to login to this channel using linux - xchat, i am getting a message, like I am banned , but with windows xchat i am ableto login |
| 15:20.40 | indraveni | why is it so |
| 15:20.50 | themill | mcpenney: you'd need "apt-get source binutils=2.17-3" |
| 15:21.00 | Topgun1000 | hi, any of you know how to allow the user www-data to view processes other users? If i run ps or top i can just see the apache processes. |
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| 15:21.12 | themill | mcpenney: but I wouldn't recommend that you install a different version of binutils on your machine |
| 15:21.29 | asulao | abrotman: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:21.29 | stew | indraveni: were you trying to join while running xchat as root? |
| 15:21.37 | enouf | nnts: might be better off asking in #bash (but be forthcoming), or any webdev related channel (ajax/cgi/etc) |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | asulao: you might want to try etchnhalf or lenny |
| 15:21.43 | asulao | abrotman: (from etch r4 dvd 1) |
| 15:21.57 | themill | mcpenney: Perhaps try using a chroot for this -- see deboostrap, pbuilder or cowbuilder for this. |
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| 15:22.41 | asulao | enouf: update-pciids complains about pciids.sourceforge.net not resolved |
| 15:22.42 | abrotman | asulao: i konw where it's from .. you probably want to try etchnhalf or lenny |
| 15:22.51 | abrotman | enouf: he has no internet .. how would he run that? |
| 15:23.03 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.03 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.06 | enouf | grah |
| 15:23.20 | asulao | abrotman: etchnhalf is un-stable ? |
| 15:23.22 | enouf | he's on the net here |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | nope |
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| 15:23.32 | asulao | enouf: I'm on another pc |
| 15:23.33 | mcpenney | themill: What's the issue with using a different version than is on the system when building a cross-compiler for a completely different system? |
| 15:23.34 | indraveni | but i logged in using different name |
| 15:23.34 | abrotman | asulao: it's just a different netinst |
| 15:23.38 | indraveni | othet than root |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | don't irc as root |
| 15:23.45 | enouf | asulao: so d/l it there and install it |
| 15:23.57 | Topgun1000 | Did you get my PM blueavle? It makes do difference if i do ps -aux or ps aux. |
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| 15:24.08 | stew | indraveni: we try to prevent your from running irc as root for your own good |
| 15:24.18 | ``y7 | i just setup firestarter firewall on my debian machine. i already have 7764 inbound events in less than 10 hours. is this normal? |
| 15:24.28 | indraveni | yes i knew taht, anyway thanks for the info |
| 15:24.30 | AbortRetryFail | try ps -ef |
| 15:24.47 | AbortRetryFail | i've seen ps -ef show things that ps aux doesn't |
| 15:24.49 | Topgun1000 | same with -ef |
| 15:24.55 | AbortRetryFail | shrugs |
| 15:24.58 | AbortRetryFail | dunno then. |
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| 15:25.17 | Topgun1000 | if i cd /proc as www-data, all the pids are missing. |
| 15:25.28 | AbortRetryFail | ps -ef shows everything |
| 15:25.29 | asulao | abrotman: etchnhalf is r4a ? |
| 15:25.38 | abrotman | asulao: moment |
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| 15:25.56 | abrotman | asulao: i386 right ? |
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| 15:26.06 | asulao | yes |
| 15:26.07 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:26.13 | themill | mcpenney: I'm not sure what you're planning to do here.. but it sounds like you have a lenny box onto which you are trying to install etch's binutils. That's bad. If that's not what you are planning, then carry on merrily :) |
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| 15:26.32 | abrotman | asulao: it has a newer kernel, which may support your NIC .. i doubt the .18 can |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | asulao: and if that fails (use a CDRW please!) .. we'll try lenny |
| 15:27.04 | asulao | CDRW? |
| 15:27.08 | asulao | what do yo mean? |
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| 15:27.27 | enouf | Re-Writable |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | use a cdrw for the image so you can reuse it |
| 15:27.47 | mcpenney | themill: To be fair, I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm following instructions on http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Compiling_CHDK_under_Linux to build a cross-compiler that targets an arm-elf processor (Canon Digic II's processor). I'm running hardy heron to modify source and build. |
| 15:27.51 | asulao | of course, is there any other way to install deb without burning a cd? |
| 15:28.01 | enouf | asulao: that's a macbook? see wiki.debian.org |
| 15:28.04 | abrotman | without network ? |
| 15:28.14 | asulao | enouf: I read that top to bottom |
| 15:28.27 | enouf | asulao: yes, many ways - through sneakernet |
| 15:28.42 | enouf | CD is one way |
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| 15:29.00 | enouf | Floppy, USB key, etc |
| 15:29.16 | enouf | .. and what the heck good is firewire ethernet if one can't use it? or .. how/what does one use it (for), i should ask. |
| 15:29.16 | asulao | right |
| 15:29.17 | asulao | :D |
| 15:29.37 | asulao | I don't need firewire |
| 15:29.46 | asulao | but if comes along |
| 15:29.52 | asulao | s/if/it/ |
| 15:30.08 | enouf | asulao: the list goes into /usr/share/misc/pci.ids - man update-pciids |
| 15:30.41 | asulao | so? what do I do with that? |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | still votes for etchnhalf orlenny |
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| 15:30.57 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:31.13 | enouf | abrotman: if he can get net, he can easily upgrade the kernel, amongst other things |
| 15:31.19 | indraveni | what is the way to create ssl key ,till sarge we were using apache2-sss-certificat command, but now in debian, that command is not available, whats the other way round |
| 15:31.24 | johnfg | Well, doing a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny failed. So, I just installed lenny and everything's fine. |
| 15:31.24 | enouf | asulao: is that wired? |
| 15:31.47 | asulao | I can't get net |
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| 15:31.54 | mandrake_ | would you accept a Makefile like this I just wrote? http://pastebin.com/m3e6b1fdb |
| 15:32.05 | indraveni | googling suuggested me openssl, but couldn't find one good command to create the key |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | enouf: how is he going to do that? |
| 15:32.09 | asulao | that's the prob, so I can install xorgcfg, to fix X, nor update kernel |
| 15:32.17 | abrotman | X is useless here |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | asulao: what's your wifi ? |
| 15:32.28 | enouf | asulao: also - the kernel needs to be new enough to support your driver/card/device/interface (whatever it is) .. you mentioned sky/marvell, but i can't find your specifics in the backscroll |
| 15:32.34 | asulao | Broadcom something |
| 15:32.47 | abrotman | asulao: you might be able to get it to work with bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 15:32.53 | johnfg | When I installed kde on fedora, I'd do a yum groupinstall KDE. Is there an equivalent for a group install with apt? |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | asulao: if you've got a USB key .. get the etchnhalf kernel on there first .. if that fails, try the bcm43xx stuff |
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| 15:33.25 | asulao | abrotman: Broadcom (rev 05) |
| 15:33.29 | abrotman | !tell johnfg about install kde |
| 15:33.46 | enouf | asulao: read which top to bottom, there's more than one |
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| 15:34.24 | asulao | enouf: I mentioned sky2 because that's what appeared in macbook wiki at debian.org |
| 15:34.34 | asulao | but I don't really know if my macbookpro uses that sky2 |
| 15:34.35 | pickcoder | is anyone aware of an XML RPC bug introduced into php5 on Etch? |
| 15:34.48 | enouf | asulao: but if that's not your hardware, you can't imply that ... |
| 15:34.54 | RichiH | is there any cli flow-monitor which will show target, source, protocol, total Bytes transferred, total time and peak/average bandwidth? |
| 15:35.01 | abrotman | asulao: which kernel are you using? |
| 15:35.07 | abrotman | -686? -amd64? |
| 15:35.10 | abrotman | -ppc ? |
| 15:35.12 | pickcoder | I've got a complaint that a wordpress editor stopped working and there was a security or bug fix installed recently |
| 15:35.17 | enouf | it's Intel abrotman |
| 15:35.20 | peppe | RichiH: hm, perhaps iptraf |
| 15:35.21 | asulao | of course I can't. I just mentioned it because it's written in the wiki |
| 15:35.27 | asulao | yes, intel -686 |
| 15:35.39 | petemc | RichiH: jnettop ? |
| 15:35.47 | RichiH | peppe: iptraf is packet-based, not flow-basec |
| 15:35.48 | abrotman | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6_i386.deb |
| 15:35.58 | abrotman | put that on a USB key .. try to install that first |
| 15:36.26 | asulao | okay |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | bewarE: your email about md5 .. http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/download .. notice the checksums at the bottom |
| 15:36.29 | RichiH | petemc: looking |
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| 15:36.54 | abrotman | ntop ? |
| 15:36.55 | boka | i don't get transparent konsole on kde4.1. any idea? |
| 15:37.02 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 15:37.05 | enouf | RichiH: bwmon? |
| 15:37.15 | pickcoder | my guess it had to do with : [UPGRADE] php5-common 5.2.0-8+etch11 -> 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
| 15:38.17 | RichiH | enouf: looking |
| 15:38.21 | RichiH | petemc: looks nice |
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| 15:38.43 | RichiH | enouf: bwmon is not in debian |
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| 15:39.23 | enouf | RichiH: sorry, "bmon" |
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| 15:39.29 | enouf | RichiH: and netperf maybe |
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| 15:40.01 | enouf | i see "nload" now too |
| 15:40.30 | RichiH | installing all of them |
| 15:41.34 | roxy_ | I am on a amd64 and use update-alternative to set the java I want. I can switch to ia32 java, but it doesn't have javac in its bin. I probably could just add a ln -s. What is the 'clean' way to do it ? |
| 15:41.41 | enouf | RichiH: apt-cache show <pkgname> prior! :-O |
| 15:42.20 | RichiH | enouf: i need to look at them, anyway |
| 15:42.32 | RichiH | and their total installed size is close over 1 MiB |
| 15:42.39 | RichiH | with 0 Depends |
| 15:42.46 | enouf | righto - i do that sometimes as well ;-) |
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| 15:42.53 | johnfg | abrotman: Thanks for the lead, bro! |
| 15:43.06 | enouf | mah homey |
| 15:43.07 | RichiH | petemc wins, but i will keep bmon, as well |
| 15:43.15 | johnfg | Is the kde 4.2 do you know |
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| 15:43.31 | RichiH | johnfg: kde 4.1.2 is current |
| 15:43.33 | gothenburg | Hi |
| 15:43.59 | gothenburg | Can I use SSH X11 tunnel if I want to use fluxbox? |
| 15:44.04 | gothenburg | And how? |
| 15:44.09 | enouf | roxy_: does update-java-alternatives help? |
| 15:44.25 | boka | whats the proper procedure to enable transparency on konsole? |
| 15:44.52 | enouf | boka: settings, configure konsole ? |
| 15:44.59 | boka | enabled desktop effect |
| 15:45.13 | enouf | boka: otherwise, k control center |
| 15:45.17 | boka | enouf, i've done that but it says background transparency setting will not be used because ..... |
| 15:45.26 | boka | enouf, kde4.1 testing |
| 15:45.34 | enouf | boka: ask in #debian-kde |
| 15:45.52 | boka | enouf, i did |
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| 15:45.58 | roxy_ | enouf: I didn't know update-java-alternatives, I am having a look at it now |
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| 15:46.20 | enouf | roxy_: righto - i don't use java, so that's all i know :-p |
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| 15:46.50 | johnfg | RichiH: Is there a 4.2 available in testing? |
| 15:47.04 | johnfg | Otherwise, I've just got things mixed up. |
| 15:47.33 | mandrake_ | gothenburg: check my fluxbox background switcher: 0 * * * * if ps -u mandrake|grep x-window>/dev/null;then wps=(*[Name]hack*);wp=${wps[$RANDOM\%${#wps[@]}]};fbsetbg "$wp";fi |
| 15:47.38 | stew | johnfg: no, 3.5.9 is the only version available in testing |
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| 15:48.38 | RichiH | johnfg: 4.2 does not exist |
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| 15:49.34 | enouf | stew: IINM there's backported pkgs for testing - /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 15:50.02 | magyar_ | hi, how do i get java jre to work in lenny with iceweasel? |
| 15:50.41 | FunctorSalad | apt's "(Reading database..." step takes very long for me (about a minute). Any tuning tips? |
| 15:51.00 | stew | magyar_: aptitude install icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 15:51.17 | johnfg | OK, my mistake. |
| 15:53.33 | FunctorSalad | (apart from buying more ram so that the thing is kept in memory ;-)) |
| 15:53.46 | magyar_ | stew, thanks |
| 15:53.49 | asulao | abrotman: etchnhalf did the trick :D got network at last. |
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| 15:54.11 | asulao | ops, but it crashed |
| 15:54.29 | asulao | constant stacktraces |
| 15:54.59 | asulao | keyboard seems hanged |
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| 15:56.10 | tdn | How do I change user details on a system user? (The ones that I am asked when running adduser and that is stored in /etc/passwd) |
| 15:56.29 | jhutchins_wk | tdn: usermod? |
| 15:57.37 | jhutchins_wk | tdn: vipw? |
| 15:57.38 | tdn | jhutchins_wk, thanks. I just read the man page for usermod and it said chfn. That was what I was looking for :) |
| 15:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | great! |
| 15:58.22 | rax64 | wanna ask, what is the debian-update-4.0r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/ ? |
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| 15:59.13 | asulao | abrotman: I'll try r4a netinst instead of just 2.6.24 kernel, maybe it got confused by 2.6.24 kernel vs r4 system |
| 15:59.46 | asulao | thanks for helping |
| 15:59.56 | pickcoder | FunctorSalad: how many sources do you have |
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| 16:02.22 | abrotman | asulao: huh ? |
| 16:02.30 | FunctorSalad | pickcoder: hmm they're scattered in sources.list.d... is there some way to dump them all? |
| 16:02.35 | abrotman | asulao: i'd say to go to lenny then |
| 16:02.45 | asulao | abrotman: but r4a seems to detect it |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | okay |
| 16:02.59 | asulao | what's lenny anyway? is it beta? |
| 16:03.05 | stew | FunctorSalad: "cat /etc/sources.list.d/*" |
| 16:03.14 | FunctorSalad | ;-) |
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| 16:04.44 | FunctorSalad | ok, so including deb-src lines, I have 17 entries |
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| 16:05.29 | stew | FunctorSalad: can you show us? |
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| 16:05.39 | pickcoder | that's an awful lot |
| 16:05.48 | pickcoder | unless some are commented |
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| 16:06.01 | pickcoder | I only have 6 which includes security updates and bpo |
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| 16:06.25 | snivitz | [O/2 N/872 I/0 V/0 F/0] [U:a:S:b:h] |
| 16:06.48 | FunctorSalad | great, pastebin thinks it's spam ;-) hold on |
| 16:06.48 | snivitz | sorry that was a mistake |
| 16:07.07 | stew | FunctorSalad: http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:07.36 | FunctorSalad | http://pastebin.ca/1231957 |
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| 16:08.00 | FunctorSalad | pickcoder: already filtered the commented ones :) I have several single-project ones like emacs |
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| 16:08.41 | thinline_ | for some reason with my most recent etch install I don't have killall ? |
| 16:08.46 | FunctorSalad | hmm so is this "Reading database" related to number of known packages rather than installed packages? |
| 16:08.58 | thinline | this seems strange, is it in a util package? |
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| 16:10.22 | roxy_ | where can I get the ia32 jdk ? I can only find the ia32 jre. |
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| 16:10.54 | thinline | was killall removed from debian? |
| 16:11.02 | dalias | no |
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| 16:11.29 | johnfg | Just reading the debian wiki for java, but it's pretty old. Any updated info for lenny? |
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| 16:12.02 | thinline | n/m it's in psmisc strange it wasn't installed by default |
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| 16:14.21 | stew | FunctorSalad: are you using Default-Release or pinning to prefer testing over unstable? there are probably some things you could get rid of for sure, like you don't need all of stable/testing/unstable for debian-multimedia |
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| 16:16.33 | FunctorSalad | stew: my Default-Release is testing, I just have the unstable there in case I'd like to install the newest version of a program for some reason |
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| 16:17.04 | SJrX | I removed some entries from crontab, deleted the files from /etc/cron.d, restarted cron but it still is trying to run those tasks any idea |
| 16:17.38 | FunctorSalad | stew: true, I don't need stable for deb-multimedia |
| 16:18.10 | johnfg | Why doesn't kde-desktop show up in synaptic? |
| 16:18.28 | johnfg | Is it incorporated in basic kde now? |
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| 16:19.28 | FunctorSalad | stew: hmm, I used to have a lot more entries but cleaned up recently... is there some cache I need to regenerate? (already deleted /var/something/lists) |
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| 16:20.20 | unstable | What is a simple key logger to just log any keys typed into my keyboard? |
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| 16:21.16 | JPT | cat /dev/input/<keyboard-device> > keylog.txt |
| 16:21.20 | dalias | haha |
| 16:21.41 | JPT | (maybe it works) |
| 16:21.41 | dalias | he probably wants it to be stealth and not interfere with other programs using the keyboard |
| 16:21.52 | dalias | for various unsavory purposes |
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| 16:21.56 | JPT | mhh... |
| 16:22.20 | JPT | why should it be stealth ? |
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| 16:22.21 | SJrX | logging his dads porno site passwords probably |
| 16:22.28 | dalias | lol |
| 16:22.37 | JPT | if you run it as root, nobody should be able to kill it |
| 16:22.50 | SJrX | what about root? |
| 16:23.07 | stew | FunctorSalad: 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' will regenerate the caches |
| 16:23.21 | JPT | i am assuming, that only he has root permissions (like an admin who logs the workers pc-usage) |
| 16:23.30 | FunctorSalad | stew: did that :) |
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| 16:25.16 | lejacques | hey all |
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| 16:25.46 | lejacques | any reason i can see an external automounted with hal, but not found with fdisk? |
| 16:26.05 | lol3izer_ | you are fdisking the wrong device? |
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| 16:26.41 | lejacques | fdisk -l should display them all shouldnt it? |
| 16:26.56 | FunctorSalad | maybe it's really just that my physical ram is full all the time and it needs to swap to read that database (but why read the whole database for installing a single package?) |
| 16:27.02 | wols | lejacques: if you are root, yes |
| 16:27.04 | lejacques | ive never gotten it to work properly since i installed debian on an imac g4 |
| 16:27.14 | stew | FunctorSalad: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 16:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | unstable, lkl, also do /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:28.05 | bolt-work | Is there a way to move files from one directory to another and have it delete each file when it's done, instead of waiting for each directory to be done? |
| 16:28.05 | lejacques | can you think of any reason why that would happen? |
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| 16:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, yes, when you write your own loop |
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| 16:29.30 | themill | bolt-work: are you copying from one device to another or are the source and destination on the same filesystem? |
| 16:29.30 | blubberdiblub | erm, doesn't "mv" move files immediately? never really checked, tho |
| 16:29.37 | dalias | it depends |
| 16:29.44 | dalias | if it's cross-device, it copies then deletes them |
| 16:29.59 | dalias | traditional 'mv' refuses to move directories cross-device |
| 16:30.09 | dalias | but the gnu version does the copy-and-delete thing |
| 16:30.35 | dalias | mv within a single device is an O(1) operation |
| 16:30.43 | blubberdiblub | yeah, but i thought it copy-deletes each file immediately, instead of a batch-copy-then-batch-delete |
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| 16:31.01 | bolt-work | nope. it does whole directories |
| 16:31.03 | bolt-work | :/ |
| 16:31.03 | dalias | i think it does batch to give saner behavior if you hit ^C |
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| 16:31.41 | bolt-work | and I don't have room to do that, as I'm moving stuff into an encfs on the same partition |
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| 16:31.49 | dalias | yes |
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| 16:32.03 | blubberdiblub | yeah, maybe. i've never been in a position which forced me to hit ^C while mv, tho |
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| 16:32.14 | dalias | well you can do one directory at a time |
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| 16:32.21 | bolt-work | i hate sane :) |
| 16:32.28 | dalias | mv /foo/path/* /bar/path/ |
| 16:32.32 | dalias | mv /foo/path2/* /bar/path2/ |
| 16:32.33 | dalias | etc |
| 16:32.38 | bolt-work | true |
| 16:32.41 | dalias | at least for the big files |
| 16:32.57 | bolt-work | yeah. it'll take a while longer, but i'll probably go with that |
| 16:33.05 | themill | bolt-work: you could use find to do it. Perhaps look at the -depth option. |
| 16:33.20 | bolt-work | hm.. find and mkdir -p |
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| 16:33.24 | Gast_91_ | http://www.cokesideoflife.de/html/flash.html please vote for mr. virgin and his love crew |
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| 16:33.27 | blubberdiblub | bolt-work: hmm, maybe "mc" does the immediate thing ... i don't know, but might be worth checking |
| 16:33.38 | FunctorSalad | stew: cool, that's useful :) 'so' is very roughly 1000 on average while running aptitude install |
| 16:34.02 | FunctorSalad | I guess that's bad |
| 16:34.06 | bolt-work | blubberdiblub: could be. also checking out scp's copy and delete option |
| 16:34.17 | stew | FunctorSalad: yes, you might want to track down where all of your memory is going |
| 16:34.17 | bolt-work | scp'ing to my own machine seems a bit retarded, but might work |
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| 16:34.36 | dalias | haha yeah |
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| 16:34.37 | dalias | or rsync |
| 16:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, if it's on the same partition, mv doesn't copy at all but just rewrites the directory entry |
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| 16:34.43 | dalias | maybe rsync can do it better |
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| 16:35.04 | FunctorSalad | (I did provoke it by going through my firefox tabs before running aptitude though ;)) |
| 16:35.08 | bolt-work | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a mounted encfs that's on the same partition. technically another device |
| 16:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, ok |
| 16:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so your encfs-file grows while your diskspace doesn't |
| 16:35.39 | bolt-work | is off to read docs |
| 16:35.59 | bolt-work | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly. and the device is almost full. only room for a copy of a few of the large files |
| 16:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 16:36.13 | nnts | are users supposed to be sending signals to applications of other users or is that something just don't do? |
| 16:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | create the directory tree first, then use find to mv every single file |
| 16:36.33 | dalias | nnts, no, you can't send signals to another user's processes |
| 16:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | then delete the empty directory tree |
| 16:36.56 | dalias | cutmeownthroat, be careful |
| 16:37.06 | dalias | find can be dangerous due to whitespace and escaping issues |
| 16:37.11 | nnts | ok, if I want to trigger something in one application from another application what's the best way to do it? |
| 16:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, then the mv fails... |
| 16:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, well, you got a point there |
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| 16:37.40 | dalias | it's possible to use it right, but requires some caution |
| 16:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 16:37.56 | dalias | nnts, what are you trying to trigger? |
| 16:38.08 | FunctorSalad | if you are allowed to change the filenames, you could use detox |
| 16:38.18 | FunctorSalad | (renames files to safe names) |
| 16:38.18 | dalias | probably having them open a fifo (named pipe) or unix socket to ocmmunicate over would make the most sense |
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| 16:40.57 | nnts | dalias: it's a bit difficult to explain, what I would like to do basically is: a script waits idle until it receives some *sign* from script started by another user ...and then prints "foo" |
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| 16:41.35 | dalias | read -r dummy < my_fifo |
| 16:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, I thought first something along the lines of (( find . -type d -exec mkdir /new/device/'{}' + )) , then find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -i mv '{}' /new/disk/'{}' |
| 16:41.43 | dalias | and then have the other user's script do |
| 16:41.50 | dalias | echo hello > my_fifo |
| 16:42.00 | dalias | where my_fifo was created with the mkfifo command in advance |
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| 16:42.55 | nnts | dalias: oh I see |
| 16:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's just "some sign" you can also create a file and have the other program watch out for that file to appear |
| 16:43.34 | dalias | 'watch for a file to appear' is not a single operation |
| 16:43.37 | dalias | it's a cpu-loading loop |
| 16:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't work bidirectionally, though |
| 16:43.44 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: but it would have to check for that file every few sec or so, no? |
| 16:43.53 | nnts | oh |
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| 16:44.02 | dalias | reading input from a file/fifo takes no load |
| 16:44.16 | dalias | the kernel just blocks the read until data is available |
| 16:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nnts, well, yes or use something like fam |
| 16:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which would bot be simpler than the fifo) |
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| 16:45.55 | nnts | dalias: it makes sense, but I don't get the "dummy" part after read... |
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| 16:46.10 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: oh I see |
| 16:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or there are signals, of course |
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| 16:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like kill -HUP <PID> |
| 16:47.32 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought signals are not suppesed to be sent from one user's applications to other's |
| 16:47.40 | nnts | emmmm |
| 16:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you didn't say it was different users :) |
| 16:47.54 | nnts | oh ok ok |
| 16:48.47 | nnts | sorry if this sounds lame but what's the "dummy" here "read -r dummy < my_fifo" |
| 16:49.30 | dalias | dummy is a shell variable |
| 16:49.38 | dalias | read reads its input into a shell variable |
| 16:49.47 | nnts | oh I see, thanks |
| 16:49.54 | dalias | so since you don't care _what_ the input was, i just used a dummy name for it :) |
| 16:50.04 | dalias | if you want to transfer data, use an appropriate name |
| 16:50.11 | nnts | oh ok |
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| 16:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nnts, btw, in bash, "help read" works |
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| 16:52.04 | cloakable | I'm having some problems getting Lenny to drive my laptop screen at 1024x768. xrandr gives "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" when I try? |
| 16:52.14 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I know sorry, I forgot for a moment how read works...... |
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| 16:53.28 | _44kbps_ | muy buenas |
| 16:53.48 | _44kbps_ | sorry |
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| 16:54.31 | et | i don't know ... somehow i don't see a use-case for read where i wouldn't use some sort of general purpose scripting language |
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| 16:56.57 | nnts | dalias: thanks again, I was trying to get that working for hours. now I'm beginning to see the light again lol |
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| 16:59.17 | wols | cloakable: what videochip? |
| 16:59.30 | wols | cloakable: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:00.13 | acidfreeze | hi i am newb to debian, im confused on the best way to install deb file, im trying to get my nvidia card to work. I run dpkg *deb and it failes with Unpacking nvidia-glx (from nvidia-glx_177.80-1_amd64.deb) ... |
| 17:00.13 | acidfreeze | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-glx: |
| 17:00.13 | acidfreeze | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.13 | acidfreeze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.13 | dpkg | acidfreeze: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 17:00.43 | cloakable | wols: would be easier with a working net connection or any form of storage on the thing. |
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| 17:01.00 | Gtec | hey i got a little prob.. |
| 17:01.16 | Gtec | i'm new in the linux platform |
| 17:01.35 | Gtec | and i would like to know why my linux doesn't install my amsn. |
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| 17:01.43 | Gtec | i tried looking it up.. |
| 17:01.43 | themill | dpkg: tell acidfreeze about paste |
| 17:01.55 | acidfreeze | i know about it |
| 17:02.14 | Gtec | hey acidfreeze could you just give me a little help? |
| 17:02.30 | wols | !tell Gtec about errors |
| 17:03.13 | wols | !tell acidfreeze about nvidia |
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| 17:03.31 | Gtec | ok Wols Not an RPM package |
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| 17:04.03 | wols | Gtec: debian doesn't use rpm at all |
| 17:04.06 | Gtec | i'm new so give me a shot to get this product under controle |
| 17:04.16 | wols | !tell Gtec about grounding |
| 17:04.19 | wols | !tell Gtec about ig |
| 17:04.37 | cloakable | Bwahaha! Fixed by changing to the vesa driver |
| 17:04.52 | wols | cloakable: very bad longtime solution |
| 17:05.04 | wols | cloakable: vesa is not accelerated at all and very slow |
| 17:05.36 | cloakable | wols: it's a compaq armada 1700. the longtime solution is 'get a real laptop' |
| 17:06.03 | nnts | dalias: any idea why it's working 100% fine from command line as www-data user, but when the exact same thing is executed as cgi script it seems to just wait for me to cat something into fifo. although I'm doing it it's not receiving the data |
| 17:06.16 | wols | cloakable: no the long term solution is answer my question |
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| 17:07.11 | dalias | nnts, check permissions on the fifo |
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| 17:07.42 | acidfreeze | wols: when i download nvidia-glx_177.80-1_amd64.deb,nvidia-glx-dev_177.80-1_amd64.deb, nvidia-kernel-source_177.80-1_amd64.deb & then run dpkg *deb ,, they fail with errors nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-177.80; however: |
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| 17:07.49 | acidfreeze | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.00 | Stratman4300 | anyone having alot of application hanging with the evolution suite in Lenny??? |
| 17:08.06 | wols | acidfreeze: read the factoid dpkg messaged you |
| 17:08.20 | wols | acidfreeze: you need to COMPILE that kernel module |
| 17:08.24 | acidfreeze | im working off the page you linked me already |
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| 17:09.02 | jintxo | acidfreeze, I followed the debian wiki, there is a place where it tells you how to use module-assistant to compile and install the kernel module |
| 17:09.11 | acidfreeze | i did |
| 17:09.25 | acidfreeze | the module-assistant crashes |
| 17:09.35 | wols | !tell acidfreeze about errors |
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| 17:09.53 | acidfreeze | complaining about gcc |
| 17:10.04 | themill | acidfreeze: m-a crashing is the first sign that something is not right. You don't proceed past that point until you've fixed that error. |
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| 17:10.16 | acidfreeze | dude haha give me a sec before attacking me with the dpkg bot |
| 17:10.19 | nnts | dalias: i've set the permission to 777, it still seems the same, as if the CGI side wasn't receiving the data I'm trying to send |
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| 17:10.25 | RedShift | hey |
| 17:10.28 | wols | acidfreeze: unless you follow what dpkg tells you: GTFO |
| 17:10.31 | acidfreeze | let me finish... |
| 17:10.40 | dalias | nnts, using this for cgi sounds like a rather bad idea... |
| 17:10.42 | wols | your "error report" is fucking useless |
| 17:10.47 | acidfreeze | (07:09:52 AM) acidfreeze: complaining about gcc |
| 17:10.52 | dalias | since there could likely be multiple reader and/or writer processes at once |
| 17:10.59 | wols | acidfreeze: yes. USELESS |
| 17:11.02 | RedShift | how can I seperate the priviliges for every virtual host in apache 2? |
| 17:11.03 | acidfreeze | and i would have finished.. but you are msgs flooding me |
| 17:11.05 | themill | acidfreeze: what about gcc? We're not mind readers |
| 17:11.10 | abrotman | acidfreeze: we would need the actual error |
| 17:11.14 | RedShift | right now they all run under the user nobody |
| 17:11.15 | dalias | i think you need to heavily rethink the whole problem with the understanding that cgi will involve concurrency |
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| 17:11.28 | RedShift | that's a problem because all the files have to be world readable |
| 17:11.33 | nnts | dalias: I see |
| 17:11.35 | acidfreeze | YOU DIDNT LET ME TYPE IT. YOU KEEP FLOODING ME WITH DPKG |
| 17:11.40 | acidfreeze | YOU ARE USELESS |
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| 17:11.42 | abrotman | acidfreeze: stop yelling |
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| 17:11.47 | abrotman | damog: we blame you |
| 17:11.48 | themill | ffs |
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| 17:12.11 | damog | abrotman: it's all Canada's fault |
| 17:12.12 | abrotman | hugs damog and runs away |
| 17:12.22 | damog | and Big Papi's |
| 17:12.27 | [gloom] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.28 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 17:13.07 | wols | !tell [gloom] about nodm |
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| 17:13.55 | nnts | dalias: can I ask for a general advice? i want to achieve the following: every time someone pastes a jpg link on the irc channel the link is sent to user's browser trough AJAX |
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| 17:14.10 | dalias | ah |
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| 17:14.23 | et | nnts: that idea is not-so-good |
| 17:14.24 | nnts | dalias: any ideas on what would be the least ugly way to display the new img on client's browser as soon as it is "captured" |
| 17:14.25 | dalias | this is hardly a debian-oriented question and i doubt people here know well... |
| 17:14.31 | dalias | i would try #ajax or something |
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| 17:14.48 | dalias | or whatever the best ajax channel is |
| 17:14.58 | et | it has been tried, and if people notice some client is doing that they WILL start posting porn or - worse - images of rick astley |
| 17:15.03 | abrotman | it's actually an irc client question .. but still nothing to do with debian |
| 17:15.16 | et | nnts: so don't ;) |
| 17:15.28 | abrotman | if i noticed .. i'd kickban :) |
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| 17:15.45 | abrotman | (depending which channel i suppose) |
| 17:16.03 | nnts | et: see I need it, it's for a trivia bot with japanese & chinese character stroke orders, not people posting porn :S |
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| 17:16.28 | abrotman | nnts: ask google .. this is not Debian related |
| 17:16.30 | nnts | abrotman, dalias: yeah I know sorry, I did ask there before but got nowhere so I thought maybe I'll get some hints on how to do it here :) |
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| 17:16.37 | nnts | abrotman: yeah I know |
| 17:16.41 | Makazei | can't make heads or tails of /etc/network/interfaces, and none of the howtos are shedding much light either. |
| 17:17.13 | Eulex | Makazei, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:17.47 | [gloom] | thx |
| 17:18.19 | Makazei | Trying to get the network/dhcp to see my router so things work/route right, I guess. |
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| 17:19.58 | Eulex | Makazei, that's easy. all you need to do is for example 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' and you probably also want 'allow-hotplug eth0' (substitute eth0 for what the interface name is) |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | see your router? |
| 17:20.32 | Eulex | Makazei, or is there something special to your setup? |
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| 17:22.06 | Makazei | I have a couple systems connected to the router (win and linux) some things like dcc work only sporadically Was told it was NAT, but... |
| 17:22.33 | sqawerlz | can someone help me with downloading debian? I see the iso files listed but do I choose one of the iso file 1? |
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| 17:23.04 | Eulex | Makazei, dcc needs a port forwarded to the computer, and that your irc client is properly configured. |
| 17:23.08 | abrotman | sqawerlz: get the etchnhalf netinst ISO |
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| 17:23.39 | et | nnts: imagine someone posting http://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/nggyu.jpg and your browser automatically displays it |
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| 17:23.52 | abrotman | et: drop it .. we moved on already |
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| 17:24.13 | nnts | et: dude it would be mostly people I know IRL, we send each other jpg urls all the time :S |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | stop already |
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| 17:24.31 | Makazei | Also need to be able to have this puppy work with dyndns.vom, and I have yet to see my web server. |
| 17:24.44 | Makazei | dyndns.com even. |
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| 17:25.25 | sqawerlz | abrotman, i have problems with my internet I want to torrent the files locally. |
| 17:25.44 | abrotman | sqawerlz: huh? torrents still need the internet |
| 17:26.07 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 17:26.28 | sqawerlz | abrotman, yeah but i just want the files locallly, i dont want to net install. |
| 17:26.54 | abchirk | sqawerlz take the fullinstallCD? |
| 17:26.55 | abrotman | sqawerlz: if you want the CD1 or DVD1 .. that's fine .. it'll take you awhile |
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| 17:27.53 | abchirk | hm |
| 17:28.03 | folken | can anyone tell me how the netboot images for etchnhalf are built? |
| 17:28.05 | abchirk | weird scientists :P |
| 17:28.13 | folken | there seems to be a mismatch in the kernel version. |
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| 17:28.27 | Makazei | My main problem is that my ISP switched over to gmail, and while I can receive mail with getmail, I still can't send. Found one mail router patch, but it's sloppily written for only one account (I have 3), and I'm trying to get my own mailserver working. |
| 17:28.43 | folken | the latest in the archive is 2.6.24-6 and the netboot image only contains 2.6.24-1 |
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| 17:29.42 | steampunkey | What to use to cut a wav file (I need to cut out just few seconds, and discard the rest)? |
| 17:30.06 | Makazei | steampunkey: audacity |
| 17:30.08 | folken | steampunkey: audacity or sox |
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| 17:30.21 | b0rsuk | Hi |
| 17:30.25 | folken | hi |
| 17:30.27 | abchirk | hi |
| 17:30.31 | folken | hoi |
| 17:30.56 | steampunkey | folken, I don't think sox can do it, and I don't want a GUI |
| 17:31.08 | b0rsuk | Can anyone explain to me how to use /etc/crontab ? I've tried adding a line to it, but it doesn't seem to work. It doesn't trigger. |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | b0rsuk: it has a wonderful man page |
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| 17:32.00 | themill | dpkg: tell b0rsuk about cron tutorial |
| 17:33.59 | b0rsuk | hmm. |
| 17:34.00 | steampunkey | Anyone else? What to use to cut a wav file (I need to cut out just few seconds, and discard the rest)? (not sox, not audiacity - they don't work for me) |
| 17:34.27 | petemc | i would look into making audacity work |
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| 17:35.03 | abrotman | what's wrong with a GUI ? |
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| 17:35.18 | steampunkey | abrotman, doesn't work well with bash :-) |
| 17:35.28 | abrotman | stops caring |
| 17:35.40 | steampunkey | concludes abrotman is rude |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | you're being stubborn .. not my problem anymore |
| 17:36.02 | steampunkey | Ok, ANYONE? |
| 17:36.09 | abrotman | !tell steampunkey about anyone |
| 17:36.42 | stew | steampunkey: why wouldn't sox or audacity work? |
| 17:37.03 | steampunkey | abrotman, so you actually suggested I repost it for the 3rd time? but... wouldn't you then give me dpkg about reposting? |
| 17:37.09 | Makazei | steampunkey: I recall a number of posts on the speakup.braille.uwo.ca mailing list about some scripts that used sox to cut sections from wav files. |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | steampunkey: no .. you're supposed to ask the bot how to search |
| 17:37.16 | steampunkey | stew: sox doesn't do that. audacity has a GUI as I said |
| 17:37.27 | stew | steampunkey: i use sox to do that |
| 17:37.27 | steampunkey | abrotman, huh? |
| 17:37.57 | steampunkey | steampunkey, how come I didn't find that in their man? Can you please tell me how? |
| 17:38.10 | stew | steampunkey: its the trim effect |
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| 17:38.33 | steampunkey | gets sox once again... |
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| 17:38.59 | surrounder | steampunkey: because it works maybe ? |
| 17:39.24 | steampunkey | surrounder, trolling much? |
| 17:39.41 | steampunkey | stew: ok thx. will look into. |
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| 17:40.19 | folken | how does one report a bug in the netboot.tar.gz files? its not inside a package. |
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| 17:40.35 | stew | folken: use the debian-installer pseudo package |
| 17:40.58 | surrounder | steampunkey: not really, just can't stand it when people flood irc-channels with problems they can easily google themselves and are rude to people who try to help them |
| 17:41.00 | folken | ty stew |
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| 17:41.16 | b0rsuk | Ok, I don't get it. The script at /etc/init.d/cron exists, but ps aux | grep crond doesn't show anything. What am I missing ? |
| 17:41.17 | TRD | Hello .. anyone know what time for debian lenny realised ? |
| 17:41.28 | abrotman | !tell trd about wwlr |
| 17:41.42 | folken | !tell folken about wwlr |
| 17:41.47 | surrounder | b0rsuk: did you actually run the crondeamon ? |
| 17:42.39 | steampunkey | surrounder, sorry, did you try to help me? oooh, didn't notice. |
| 17:42.40 | TRD | !tell trd about wwlr |
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| 17:42.40 | b0rsuk | surrounder: No, but isn't /etc/init.d/cron supposed to take care of that ? It's a startup script, right ? |
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| 17:42.40 | jhutchins_wk | steampunkey: Seems to me that grammofile (sp?) will let you edit sound files in the console. It's a script package intended to help with digitizing phonograph records. |
| 17:42.40 | Eulex | b0rsuk, because it's just named 'cron' |
| 17:42.40 | abrotman | b0rsuk: what isn't working about cron ? |
| 17:43.05 | steampunkey | jhutchins, it's ok, thx. stew gave me a hint how to do it with sox. |
| 17:43.07 | jhutchins_wk | b0rsuk: Is it on? |
| 17:43.09 | extor | Looks like in the amd64 distro you have a kernel choice between openvz, xen and vserver enablement in your default kernels |
| 17:43.11 | TRD | Ok thanks .. in secondhalf of 2008! but what time exact |
| 17:43.23 | jhutchins_wk | b0rsuk: Does it have symlinks to the current runlevel rc#.d? |
| 17:43.24 | b0rsuk | ps aux | grep crond doesn't show crond running. |
| 17:43.28 | themill | dpkg: tell trd about wir |
| 17:43.43 | abrotman | TRD: there is no firm date .. whenevre it's done is when it's done |
| 17:44.19 | stew | TRD: debian doesn't set release dates. it sets release goals and releases whenever the goals are met |
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| 17:44.30 | surrounder | b0rsuk: and if you start it by hand? will it run then? if not, just start 'cron' as root and see if you get any errormessages |
| 17:44.32 | TRD | Ok thanks alot :) |
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| 17:44.52 | Eulex | b0rsuk, did you read my response? |
| 17:45.08 | b0rsuk | Eulex: Are you suggesting that the _name_ of the script file in /etc/init.d matters ? |
| 17:45.16 | b0rsuk | Eulex: Not just the contents ? |
| 17:45.19 | abrotman | b0rsuk: ps aux | grep cron .. see anything ? |
| 17:45.25 | Eulex | b0rsuk, no. I suggest that the binary name of the cron daemon is 'cron'. |
| 17:45.34 | b0rsuk | abrotman: Nothing except 'grep crond' |
| 17:45.55 | abrotman | b0rsuk: which file did you edit for your cron job ? |
| 17:45.55 | b0rsuk | abrotman: yes, it does show cron (without 'd') |
| 17:46.00 | surrounder | b0rsuk: /etc/init.d/cron start | ps aux | grep cron |
| 17:46.07 | abrotman | b0rsuk: that's what Eulex was trying to tell you |
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| 17:47.10 | b0rsuk | Ok, so ps aux | grep cron shows cron running... |
| 17:47.23 | b0rsuk | abrotman: I'm trying to use /etc/crontab (I want to run a script as root) |
| 17:47.39 | surrounder | b0rsuk: did you edit it with 'crontab -e' ? |
| 17:47.40 | b0rsuk | abrotman: Or just make it do anything (like touch a file) to prove it works. |
| 17:47.53 | abrotman | b0rsuk: give us an example of what you put in there |
| 17:48.01 | b0rsuk | surrounder: No, because it says it's not supposed to be edited with 'crontab' program. |
| 17:48.19 | themill | surrounder: crontab -e edits root's crontab which is different to /etc/crontab |
| 17:48.28 | b0rsuk | abrotman: 1 * * * * root touch /root/poraspac |
| 17:48.45 | surrounder | themill: aah check, thanks for that |
| 17:48.57 | b0rsuk | surrounder: From the file: |
| 17:48.58 | b0rsuk | # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' |
| 17:48.58 | b0rsuk | # command to install the new version when you edit this file |
| 17:49.14 | surrounder | aye, themill made it clear :) |
| 17:49.22 | abrotman | b0rsuk: that only happens once per hour |
| 17:49.25 | bolt | I want to mount several encfs mounts using a script. is it safe to read a password from stdin, store as a local variable in a bash script and then pass it to all the encfs mounts? can I somehow make sure the variable is properly erased afterwards? |
| 17:49.46 | b0rsuk | Uhh... I'll have to doublecheck |
| 17:49.53 | abrotman | b0rsuk: i'm only making that comment since i don't think you've been here an hour yet :) |
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| 17:50.06 | SJr|Work | Hmmmmm running debian 4.0. I had something running in cron every minute of every day. I've since deleted the file, and the entry in /etc/crontab. However it still seems to attempt to run it, as I get an email every minute for it. Now the reason I deleted it was that it was not needed anymore, but it also hadn't been working either. I kept getting emails: "/bin/sh: root: command not found" Any idea? |
| 17:50.07 | b0rsuk | silly me. |
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| 17:50.22 | b0rsuk | I've failed the reading comprehension test. |
| 17:50.28 | abrotman | feel better? |
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| 17:50.33 | Eulex | SJr|Work, remove the cron job? |
| 17:50.36 | SJrX | I did |
| 17:50.42 | SJrX | it's commented out, I restarted cron as well. |
| 17:50.50 | SJrX | I even deleted the line from crontab actually |
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| 17:51.05 | Eulex | and it still happens? |
| 17:51.09 | SJrX | Yeah |
| 17:51.26 | Eulex | it's not in some user's crontab too? |
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| 17:51.35 | SJrX | I wouldn't know how to check that |
| 17:51.58 | b0rsuk | abrotman: The syntax is supposed to be: # m h dom mon dow user command |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | b0rsuk: and? |
| 17:52.26 | SJrX | weird there it is Eulex |
| 17:52.31 | SJrX | if I type crontab -l |
| 17:52.35 | b0rsuk | abrotman: You've said it runs once per hour, but I put "01" at the leftmost position. |
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| 17:52.50 | abrotman | b0rsuk: right .. it only runs at 1 minute past the top of the hour |
| 17:52.57 | Eulex | SJrX, root's crontab is different from /etc/crontab |
| 17:53.02 | hatter243 | b0rsuk, it'll run every time the minute section of the clock says "1" |
| 17:53.11 | SJrX | Where is roots crontab |
| 17:53.15 | abrotman | b0rsuk: if you want it to run every minute .. you'd use a * in the minute field too |
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| 17:53.22 | hatter243 | b0rsuk, want it to run *every* minutes? * * * * * |
| 17:53.25 | Eulex | SJrX, you don't need to know. edit it with crontab -e. |
| 17:53.32 | hatter243 | minute even |
| 17:53.43 | SJrX | how do I switch editors |
| 17:53.46 | b0rsuk | ...editing, crossing my fingers... |
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| 17:53.57 | abrotman | b0rsuk: or you can use like */12 for every five minutes .. so, etc, blahblah, foo |
| 17:53.59 | SJrX | Also the file is a copy of the system crontab, so I suspect this is a bug |
| 17:54.11 | Eulex | SJrX, I believe it obeys $EDITOR |
| 17:54.13 | SJrX | # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab |
| 17:54.16 | stew | SJrX: "update-alterntives --config editor" to change it system-wide. set the EDITOR variable to change it locally |
| 17:54.39 | SJrX | thanks stew |
| 17:54.48 | SJrX | Eulex is there some reason I can't just erase the entire file |
| 17:54.53 | b0rsuk | It seems to work now ! |
| 17:55.00 | SJrX | this is an exact duplicate of /etc/crontab except and older version |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | b0rsuk: feel better? |
| 17:55.10 | Eulex | SJrX, just clear it with crontab -e and save it. |
| 17:55.11 | abrotman | b0rsuk: i'd suggest you read the man page again to understand how those fields work |
| 17:55.13 | stew | SJrX: did you run "crontab /etc/crontab" at some point? |
| 17:55.18 | SJrX | uh probably |
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| 17:55.33 | stew | SJrX: that would do it |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | b0rsuk: man 5 crontab |
| 17:55.38 | SJrX | ah okay |
| 17:55.43 | b0rsuk | abrotman: Yes :-). I wrote a primitive bash script to detect a running screensaver, and shutdown -h 0 if true |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | really? |
| 17:56.05 | SJrX | thanks stew |
| 17:56.14 | b0rsuk | Once in a while I fall asleep while listening to music. Bad for energy, bad for money. |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | so you want the system to halt if you fall asleep ? |
| 17:56.31 | b0rsuk | abrotman: Yes. |
| 17:56.45 | abrotman | b0rsuk: whatever floats your boat i suppose |
| 17:56.57 | bolt | Is there a way to securely overwrite a password stored in a variable in a bash script? I don't want it to remain in memory when the script is done. |
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| 17:59.38 | Orbixx | bolt: Just overwrite it once by re-assigning the variable. RAM is not a hard disk, thus only one rewrite would be necessary. |
| 17:59.41 | Makazei | At the end of the script password="" |
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| 18:00.00 | bolt | Orbixx: but is that new variable going to take up the same memory? |
| 18:00.15 | Orbixx | bolt: If you make it the same byte length, yes. |
| 18:00.25 | bolt | Orbixx: or bigger |
| 18:00.30 | Orbixx | Indeed. |
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| 18:03.01 | b0rsuk | less /etc/crontab |
| 18:03.04 | b0rsuk | err |
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| 18:08.30 | zibri | Hi. My rt2860 isn't showing up in i[fw]config, what steps am I missing? (compile and modprobe done) |
| 18:09.07 | Eulex | did you append the -a switch? |
| 18:09.19 | zibri | to ifconfig? yes |
| 18:09.35 | Eulex | well then, did you check dmesg for errors? |
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| 18:09.53 | zibri | yes. nothing |
| 18:10.01 | Decepticon | which one do i use: debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso or debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:10.07 | Decepticon | whats the difference |
| 18:10.18 | zibri | i used the asus eee install from the eee wiki |
| 18:10.29 | Eulex | Decepticon, etchnhalf has a newer kernel, and a few other changes, to accomodate newer hardware. |
| 18:10.31 | zibri | it's with a 2.6.26-1 kernel |
| 18:10.39 | simonrvn | Decepticon: ethnhalf is mostly for newer hardware |
| 18:10.44 | zibri | oh, i missread :D |
| 18:10.54 | zibri | nvm |
| 18:10.55 | b0rsuk | Thanks for help, folks. |
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| 18:10.57 | Decepticon | so debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso is for older hardware |
| 18:11.54 | Eulex | Decepticon, older hardware should work equally well with etchnhalf |
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| 18:13.12 | kr0w | I have a problem with the resolution of package of the apt, it show the dependencies for the package that I want to install, it say (the answer of the apt)that I have the old version of the packages requisites but not install the new version, what I have to do? |
| 18:13.26 | abrotman | Eulex: because if it doesn't .. taht would be the first ever kernel regeression! |
| 18:13.43 | Eulex | abrotman, ^^ |
| 18:13.45 | Eulex | 'should' |
| 18:13.54 | Eulex | it might even work better, who knows |
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| 18:14.53 | stew | kr0w: it sounds like maybe you want '/msg dpkg hold' but it would be easier to tell if you could show us the output of apt and tell us exactly what you are trying to do |
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| 18:21.00 | jaggz1 | how do I mark a few packages here and there, by name, to be updated when they are presently "held back"? |
| 18:21.23 | jaggz1 | (and to automatically approve their dependencies to be updated as well) |
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| 18:24.30 | kr0w | stew, I'm trying to install the package "xserver-xorg-video-openchrome", but he has the following dependencies : libc6 (>= 2.7-1) libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1) xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4.99.905). But I have the instaled the old version of they package and the apt replay : "Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up...Abort." |
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| 18:25.23 | Kraftzwerk | something is erratically reading and writing on my root partition. how can i figure out which process is doing it? |
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| 18:28.30 | stew | kr0w: ok, and which older version of which package are you talking about? |
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| 18:29.35 | SimonAdameit | Hi |
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| 18:30.32 | annkas | I have broken my installation and booted on a live cd - UBUNTU - How do I mount my hd som I can take backup of my datafiles? |
| 18:30.54 | kr0w | stew, the apt output is: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:30.54 | kr0w | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.54 | kr0w | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.54 | kr0w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.09 | pickcoder | annkas: just like you would mount any other device |
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| 18:32.30 | SimonAdameit | I want my monitor to use a refresh rate of 75hz at 1280x1024 but it only does 60hz. I have already used gtf to get a modeline and added that to xorg.conf, but it still only does 60hz though according to the manual the monitor can do 1280x1024 at 75hz. How can this be solved? |
| 18:32.42 | annkas | But I don't know how to mount a device.. |
| 18:32.52 | Sam-Ho | annkas, open up terminal |
| 18:32.55 | Sam-Ho | type in man mount |
| 18:33.16 | stew | annkas: mount /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 18:33.25 | Sam-Ho | fdisk -l |
| 18:33.27 | Sam-Ho | may help here |
| 18:33.37 | stew | kr0w: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:34.00 | stew | kr0w: it looks like you are trying to mix packages from testing/unstable into a stable install, which is neither supported nor recommended |
| 18:34.01 | pickcoder | stew: in your opinion, is Lenny enterprise stable for apache+PHP at this point? |
| 18:34.03 | annkas | stew done that, I get : unknown filesystem type LVM2_member |
| 18:34.11 | stew | pickcoder: what is lenny enterprise? |
| 18:34.19 | pickcoder | enterprise stable |
| 18:34.25 | stew | pickcoder: what is enterprise? |
| 18:34.32 | annkas | fdisk reports sda2 extended and sda5 Linux LVM |
| 18:34.37 | pickcoder | public facing with lots of traffic |
| 18:34.45 | stew | annkas: you have the wrong device, it sounds like you run lvm and want /dev/mapper/something |
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| 18:35.33 | stew | pickcoder: is 'enterprise' the name of a product or an application? or something you made up? or what? |
| 18:35.38 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 18:35.41 | pickcoder | you mistread |
| 18:35.44 | pickcoder | misread |
| 18:35.46 | extor | I upgraded my kernel from amd64 to amd64-xen and rebooted and grub gave me an Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format. My box is a 64 bit core2duo so it should not give me that error...something funky with the new lenny 64 bit default kernels? |
| 18:36.01 | pickcoder | would you consider Lenny stable enough for enterprise deployment just for Apache+PHP |
| 18:36.25 | pickcoder | I noticed that Postfix had a few RC bugs and a new release is being entered |
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| 18:37.11 | annkas | stew, I write sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt. If I have booted on ubuntu hardy live cd and my isntallation on the laptop is debian ethc - should that be a problem? |
| 18:37.12 | stew | pickcoder: apache/php should be stable at this point, though if you are going to consider running testing on a box providing services to the internet at large, you should be prepared to backport security fixes yourself when they are released |
| 18:37.14 | pickcoder | I have an issue with the last security update for PHP5 that broke the XML RPC code in PHP and I'd rather not hack the PHP core to fix it |
| 18:37.26 | kr0w | stew, but this is possible? |
| 18:37.49 | stew | kr0w: what you want to do is not possible. use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 18:38.13 | SKOM | hi |
| 18:38.25 | pickcoder | I was afraid of that... the problem is wordpress + external editors/publishers and I don't think it's worrth the hassle to keep up with Lenny. |
| 18:38.44 | stew | pickcoder: is there a bug filed for whatever this broken XML RPC thing is? |
| 18:38.46 | SKOM | what GID is usually used for wheel grp ? |
| 18:39.02 | stew | SKOM: usually it doesn't exist |
| 18:39.06 | pickcoder | in 5.2.2 it was reported as a bug to PHP |
| 18:39.26 | pickcoder | the next release was supposed to fix it but it didn't exist in 5.2.0 until the last security patch |
| 18:39.27 | stew | pickcoder: it sounds like you should stick to stable |
| 18:39.28 | SKOM | okay.. that's true... any tip ? |
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| 18:39.50 | pickcoder | I.E someone just broke it in 5.2.0 |
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| 18:40.11 | annkas | this is strange - when I boot a windows box, I get a hint on what to write to mount the local harddrive with ntfs-system and voala - the harddrive is mounted - In linux I have to be an engineer |
| 18:40.11 | pickcoder | at least that's my assumption based on it working before |
| 18:40.37 | stew | pickcoder: is it reported in debian's bts? |
| 18:40.39 | annkas | on a linux live cd, that is..... |
| 18:40.41 | buntfalke | does a distributor of lgpl software have to offer the original source? |
| 18:40.42 | pickcoder | stew: no |
| 18:40.46 | pickcoder | not that I saw for Etch |
| 18:40.53 | buntfalke | like it is the case with gpl? |
| 18:40.57 | stew | pickcoder: if its a bug in 5.2.0 it wouldn't be in etch |
| 18:40.59 | stew | buntfalke: yes |
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| 18:41.41 | buntfalke | stew: thanks |
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| 18:42.27 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/1232086 <--- Can someone tell me why I would get a grub error after changing kernels from amd64 to amd64-xen? |
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| 18:43.18 | john | wtf is this #debian-overflow |
| 18:43.57 | stew | john: its a channel you get redirected to in the event that people are joining #debian faster than the +J join limit allows. |
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| 18:44.20 | john | funny thing |
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| 18:44.42 | annkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.03 | stew | annkas: do you know the name of the lv you want to mount? do you see it listed in /dev/mapper? |
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| 18:46.05 | pickcoder | stew: [UPGRADE] php5-common 5.2.0-8+etch11 -> 5.2.0-8+etch13 |
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| 18:46.41 | stew | pickcoder: oh, sorry, i was mis-rembering version numbers then. if this is a bug in the 5.2.0-8+etch13 package, please report it |
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| 18:46.51 | pickcoder | it worked before the etch11 release |
| 18:46.54 | cire | is it possible to run xrandr via a remote ssh session? |
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| 18:46.59 | annkas | stew, don't know how to list dev/mapper, couldn't find it with cd /dev/mapper - but fdisk -l gived sda2 - system:extended and sda5 system:Linux LVM |
| 18:47.01 | stew | pickcoder: then please report a bug if none are filed already |
| 18:47.10 | stew | annkas: ls /dev/mapper |
| 18:47.43 | stew | annkas: then /dev/sda5 is a LVM physical volume. You don't mount physical volumes, you mount logical volumes |
| 18:48.21 | annkas | stew, How can I contact this volume in order to get the data out? |
| 18:48.42 | stew | annkas: mount it |
| 18:48.54 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm setting up an FTP server. I'd like to give an 'ftpsupervisor' the rights to add an ftp-only user, which I plan on doing by providing a script that adds the user. I think I've got almost everything figured out, but I seem to be stumped on how to create a password through a script (so I don't have to give sudo access to the passwd command to the ftpsupervisor.) I'd rather them type the password on the command line. |
| 18:49.03 | stew | annkas: 'lvdisplay' should list all known LVs. if you don't see yours, try "vgchange -a y" |
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| 18:51.21 | dsl_ | I'm trying to make proftpd work behind a router. I've forwarded the passive port range as well as port 21 and set up masquerading but I still cannot make a connection from outside. |
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| 18:51.38 | dsl_ | I'm not running a firewall I don't know of am I? |
| 18:51.46 | annkas | stew, no volume groups found |
| 18:51.53 | wols | dsl_: cause ftpd needs a high port range too if the client uses passive |
| 18:52.06 | wols | dsl_: you run a paketfilter. your router |
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| 18:52.11 | dsl_ | Yes. I've forwarded the range 60000-60100. |
| 18:52.26 | stew | annkas: which command gave you that? |
| 18:52.32 | dsl_ | In the NAT and set it up in the proftpd.conf |
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| 18:52.57 | annkas | stew, both lvdisplay and vgchange -a y |
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| 18:53.22 | dsl_ | I'm going crazy. I'm using the gene6 website to test and I select passive connection. "FTP Response reading failed". it says. |
| 18:54.18 | stew | annkas: is the dm_mod kernel module loaded? |
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| 18:54.49 | annkas | stew, modprobe dm_mod ? |
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| 18:55.34 | annkas | no it wasn't loaded |
| 18:55.53 | annkas | stew, didn't help me |
| 18:56.35 | stew | annkas: try "vgchange -a y" after loading dm_mod |
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| 18:57.09 | blubberdiblub | or "vgscan --mknodes" |
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| 18:58.10 | roue | hola |
| 18:58.39 | roue | I'm running lenny and just did an apt-get update/upgrade. It says that hal and libsmbios-bin are being held back, but I don't know why. Anyone know? Thanks. |
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| 18:59.09 | annkas | stew, Now I got: 3 logical volume(s) in volume group "Debian" now active - when I wrote vgchange -a y |
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| 19:00.30 | stew | annkas: now you should be able to mount your partition from /dev/mapper/$lvname |
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| 19:02.10 | EmleyMoor | I tried using alsactl store to save my mixer settings but it appears not to have taken - any more advice? |
| 19:03.29 | earthian | Hello, I need help form somebody that could guide me to the right direction in searching for a cause and solution for my problem that looks exactly like http://madwifi.org/ticket/2069 and also I experience things like http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2005-04/3243.html |
| 19:03.36 | nvz | I have a machine here with a corrupted group file, and I've taken one from another machine but it lacked some system groups that the other had.. is there a way to restore the group numbers for those groups? |
| 19:03.55 | nvz | basically the 2nd and 3rd fields were the only ones modified |
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| 19:04.05 | earthian | i have standard lenny running here on acer aspire one AOA150L |
| 19:04.24 | annkas | stew, ok, but I think I need more help - do you, by the way know the root's password on a live session? I try to ssh to it because of problems with the keyboard setting on the laptop |
| 19:04.53 | stew | annkas: on a live session? you mean "what is the root password in ubuntu"? |
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| 19:05.02 | annkas | stew, Yes |
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| 19:05.14 | stew | annkas: i doubt there is one. but you should ask in #ubuntu, not here |
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| 19:05.22 | annkas | stew, surte |
| 19:05.24 | et | annkas: you sudo, you don't login as root, and - #ubuntu |
| 19:05.25 | master__ | ola todos |
| 19:05.26 | annkas | stew sure |
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| 19:06.03 | master__ | preciso de uma mãozinha com meu amsn |
| 19:06.07 | stew | !br |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:06.22 | master__ | good |
| 19:06.28 | earthian | :) |
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| 19:07.06 | nvz | idly wonders why the atl2 module packages are for 2.6.24 when etch has 2.6.18 |
| 19:07.11 | mio | lo all, I have a problem with ldap on my install, as root when I do a getent or id something it works |
| 19:07.41 | stew | nvz: etch also has 2.6.24 |
| 19:07.45 | mio | but when I am a normal user it doesn't... causes postfix for instance not to recognize my users |
| 19:07.46 | earthian | :o |
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| 19:09.27 | n3kl | whois mosburn |
| 19:09.27 | nvz | stew: ah, I see.. wth is this 'etchnhalf' stuff? |
| 19:09.36 | nvz | dpkg, etchnhalf? |
| 19:09.36 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 19:11.03 | ypSami | Hey all. In Lenny, where can I set a global path? |
| 19:11.13 | Eulex | for what? |
| 19:11.21 | ypSami | So that all users have access to the rubygem binaries |
| 19:11.25 | Eulex | $PATH? |
| 19:11.28 | ypSami | yes |
| 19:11.52 | Eulex | /etc/profile |
| 19:12.01 | ypSami | awesome, thanks |
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| 19:15.53 | emilsedgh | my mysql server fails to start.i cannot find the error log.i searched through /var/log/mysql* and there were many files but there were all empty.also i tried searching but i found nothing much. |
| 19:15.58 | emilsedgh | it happenned after installing mysql embedded from sources |
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| 19:18.12 | pickcoder | I think it's easier to just use the .25 from BPO |
| 19:18.20 | pickcoder | there's a .26 too |
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| 19:18.45 | mio | Anyone know why when I do getent passwd as root I get the users in my ldap but not when i do it as a normal user? (postfix or my normal user id) |
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| 19:20.21 | keith4 | how do I install a package without installing its dependencies? |
| 19:20.23 | ypSami | Eulex: That worked great, except when using sudo, it doesn't find the binaries. |
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| 19:20.39 | DocMAX | can i upgrade the nslu2 as draft-n accesspoint? |
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| 19:21.59 | simonrvn | mio: obviously you need to tweak your nss_ldap, likely the config |
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| 19:22.39 | ypSami | Why would my $PATH be set correctly when issuing normal commands, but when I use sudo, it doesn't find the binaries in $PATH, as if it's using a different $PATH |
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| 19:23.05 | keith4 | ypSami: sudo echo $PATH |
| 19:23.16 | mio | simonrvn, nvm mate it's solved thanks anyhow |
| 19:23.23 | ypSami | it's got the right path |
| 19:23.34 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 19:25.19 | cognitiaclaeves | Is it really necessary to figure out how to compile crypt.c on a slimmed down server in order to use the adduser -p function documented in the manual? |
| 19:25.22 | ypSami | So, if I issue the command as a myself, it works; but if I issue the command with sudo, it does not. The $PATH is the same. |
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| 19:28.11 | skath | Is there a way I can make apt-get or dpkg run a command between each package goes through the configuration process? I tried DPkg::Post-Invoke but it doesn't seem to run between each package configuration, only once per call to dpkg... |
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| 19:29.14 | blubberdiblub | what was the command again to get a 64bit chroot on a 32bit-user/64bit-kernel (amd64) system? |
| 19:29.59 | skath | I'm trying to audit the disk usage from a whole bunch of third-party .debs... they have some fairly elaborate preinst and postinst scripts so the installed-size value in the package index isn't accurate |
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| 19:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, that's contradictory, either PATH is different, or it'll find it - but for root, often a "more secure" path is chosen - also, normal users don't normally have the sbin/ type directories in their path, but root does |
| 19:34.41 | cognitiaclaeves | !crypt |
| 19:34.50 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: the problem is that sudo echo $PATH prints the user's path, not root's |
| 19:35.16 | cognitiaclaeves | dpkg, crpyt |
| 19:35.16 | dpkg | i don't know, cognitiaclaeves |
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| 19:35.39 | cognitiaclaeves | wth? |
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| 19:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, so you're comparing using su and sudo for the same command and the command is in /sbin or /usr/sbin? |
| 19:37.24 | litwol|mac | CutMeOwnThroat: any reason for that nick name selection ? |
| 19:37.25 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: I have a custom binary path I want to add to $PATH so it's accessible by all users including root |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-home | cognitiaclaeves: I see no -p option in Debian stable adduser |
| 19:38.15 | jelly-home | cognitiaclaeves: (in lenny neither) |
| 19:38.25 | cognitiaclaeves | Is debian stable Etch? |
| 19:38.29 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 19:38.57 | cognitiaclaeves | There is one in useradd... |
| 19:39.10 | jelly-home | ah. useradd != adduser |
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| 19:39.23 | cognitiaclaeves | sorry. I think I got confused.. |
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| 19:41.13 | cognitiaclaeves | It's weird that this is so difficult to do... If I can't figure out how to pass via the command line, it means I'll actually have to give access to passwd to a non-admin user. |
| 19:41.20 | jelly-home | cognitiaclaeves: mkpasswd |
| 19:42.15 | jelly-home | cognitiaclaeves: hum, it's in "whois" package |
| 19:42.18 | cognitiaclaeves | mkpasswd doesn't man, which, or apt-cache... |
| 19:42.26 | cognitiaclaeves | whois? |
| 19:42.48 | cognitiaclaeves | seriously? bizarre. |
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| 19:43.28 | SimonAdameit | I have installed flashplugin-nonfree from the unstable repository (I use testing) but it wont show flash in iceweasel, what can I do? |
| 19:43.30 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly-home: Thanks a ton. That's really odd. |
| 19:43.35 | earthian | Hello, I need help form somebody that could guide me to the right direction in searching for a cause and solution for my problem that looks exactly like http://madwifi.org/ticket/2069 and also I experience things like http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2005-04/3243.html |
| 19:43.40 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm not likely to forget that one for a while.. |
| 19:44.02 | extor | Can someone explain to me why the lenny DVD iso torrents are from June 7th yet the direct http downloads are from Oct 6th? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ versus: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 19:44.13 | shriven | Hello. I'm trying to get ldap/pam to auth my ssh connections. I feel like I've got the config files right mostly, but it always fails to do the CRAM-MD5 auth. I would be fine with just doing a simple bind but can't figure out how to make etch stop using SASL, anyone know? |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | extor: you shouldn't use lenny DVDs |
| 19:44.17 | annkas | stew, lucky me - I mounted it now - thank you so much |
| 19:44.23 | extor | abrotman, why not? |
| 19:44.39 | Eulex | extor, lenny isn't released. |
| 19:44.59 | Eulex | so there will be updates. |
| 19:44.59 | extor | Eulex, okayyyy---but why should I use lenny CDs versus DVDs? |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | extor: if if they were current today .. they'd be out of date tomorrow |
| 19:45.18 | extor | yeah no kidding...hence if you have a recent DVD you will probably need less updates than a CD |
| 19:45.28 | earthian | SimonAdameit, i think flash is only for mozila , firefox and opera, iceweasel is none of these |
| 19:45.28 | Eulex | extor, use a netinst, dist-upgrade the core packages. |
| 19:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, just add it to /etc/bash.bashrc (or bash.profile) and /root/.bashrc (or .profile) there is only 2 groups of users in this sense - root and "all others" |
| 19:45.40 | abrotman | extor: if you want up-to-date ISO images .. see if there are jigdo templates you can use |
| 19:45.47 | earthian | SimonAdameit, better manually download flashplayer archive from adobe.com, uncompress run the installer there and choose iceweasel's path |
| 19:46.01 | Eulex | earthian, get some clue. flash works very well in iceweasel. |
| 19:46.11 | extor | abrotman, it's just that sometimes I do a lot of reinstalling and it's nice to have a big iso handy for the sake of speed |
| 19:46.11 | abrotman | very well? |
| 19:46.12 | Eulex | earthian, iceweasel is just firefox rebranded, anyway. |
| 19:46.19 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: There has to be a DRY way to do this |
| 19:46.33 | Eulex | abrotman, well, that can be discussed, but it works as good as in firefox :) |
| 19:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dry? |
| 19:46.45 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: "Don't Repeat Yourself" |
| 19:46.53 | extor | abrotman, does jigdo update the DVD isos to even newer status than the latest downloads? |
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| 19:47.06 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, did you restart iceweasel? |
| 19:47.06 | pts0 | people in here are mean |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | which latest downloads ? |
| 19:47.13 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: Having a single place to find all settings |
| 19:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, really, this _is_ how it's done - root's path is not supposed to be the same as the path of other users and as repetition goes, 2 is kind of a minimal number |
| 19:47.28 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: Yes |
| 19:47.30 | extor | pts0, you haven't been to efnet yet |
| 19:47.43 | extor | abrotman, the DVD iso downloads |
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| 19:47.51 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, I didn't realize that root is actually treated as a different kind of user |
| 19:48.00 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: In that case, it makes sense |
| 19:48.00 | abrotman | extor: those DVDs are months old |
| 19:48.11 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: could it be because I made some error in apt-pinning the flashplugin-package from unstable? |
| 19:48.16 | extor | abrotman, Oct 6th is not months old |
| 19:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, you can of course also source /etc/bash.bashrc and/or /etc/bash.profile from /root/.bashrc // /root/.profile |
| 19:48.37 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, are you sure? even an open download window will prevent iceweasel from being restarted. also, check about:plugins to see whether it is listed. |
| 19:48.41 | abrotman | extor: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 19:48.46 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, no, apt-pinning would not affect it. |
| 19:48.47 | abrotman | extor: you just said the DVDs were weeks old |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | extor: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 19:49.13 | extor | Abrotman I was referring to the isos here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:49.31 | abrotman | i know what you're referring to .. use jigdo .. or use the netinst like a smart perseon |
| 19:49.36 | abrotman | person :( |
| 19:49.46 | Eulex | smaert |
| 19:50.00 | SimonAdameit | Eulex Plugins shows nothing. I am pretty sure, because I just installed iceweasel after installing the plugin (I used conkeror before and thought maybe it is just not working with that) |
| 19:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ypSami, root normally doesn't have e.g. /usr/games in his path... while normal users don't have the sbin type of binary paths (pretty stupid sometimes, as you can run /sbin/route or /sbin/iwconfig or /sbin/ifconfi to gain information as a normal user and only need root if something is actually wrong and you want to change it) |
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| 19:53.08 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, have you got /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so ? |
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| 19:53.53 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, and /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ? |
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| 19:54.23 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: yes |
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| 19:56.08 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: I am on amd64, maybe that could be the problem? flashplugin downloaded some ia32 libs |
| 19:56.42 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, you need a 32-bit browser for running a 32-bit plugin. |
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| 19:57.13 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | hmm... nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 19:57.36 | jo4 | if i plug a nic to a laptop, should the nic show ACT (the LED i mean) |
| 19:57.51 | Eulex | or that; I was searching for it but couldn't find it... |
| 19:58.15 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: I have that installed, it is a dependency of flashplugin |
| 19:58.48 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, I've never used that, sorry, I don't know what you need to do to use it. |
| 19:58.50 | jo4 | i mean, is that enough so that the nic on the server shows act? |
| 19:59.22 | SimonAdameit | Eulex: thanks for your kind help |
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| 19:59.49 | shriven | Does anyone know if/how I can force pam_ldap to use a simple bind? |
| 20:00.16 | Eulex | SimonAdameit, thank abrotman too :) |
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| 20:00.46 | DocMAX | can i upgrade the nslu2 as draft-n accesspoint? |
| 20:00.47 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 20:01.07 | ypSami | CutMeOwnThroat: I've added the path to /root/.profile and /root/.bashrc and it didn't help the sudo problem. |
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| 20:01.13 | abrotman | SimonAdameit: i think you have to re-register the flashplugin |
| 20:01.51 | SimonAdameit | abrotman: how would I do that, I already did dpkg-reconfigure flash.., thinking that might solve it |
| 20:02.06 | abrotman | oh wait .. ignore me .. that was for ndiswrapper |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | though nspluginwrapper may have something similar |
| 20:02.29 | Eulex | earthian, sorry, my reaction might have been a bit harsh. but make sure you know what you're talking about. also, don't recommend people to not use the package manager for installing something unless there's a very good reason... |
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| 20:06.57 | jaggz1 | damn, I wasn't here to hear the answer to my own Q. |
| 20:07.19 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:07.20 | jaggz1 | I was asking how to update packages marked in "held back" state |
| 20:07.22 | jelly-home | jaggz1: what was it? |
| 20:07.29 | HardDisk_WP | what program would you use to create DVD covers? |
| 20:07.36 | HardDisk_WP | for slim "keep packs" |
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| 20:08.19 | RedShift | doesn't latex have cd & dvd cover modules? |
| 20:08.52 | jaggz1 | I've never used latex.. is there an interface for it? I'd first see if OpenOffice had templates for oodraw or something |
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| 20:09.08 | RedShift | kile is a latex frontend |
| 20:09.13 | abrotman | !info glabels etch |
| 20:09.15 | IamSOG | strange, Gentoo web page is down again, it seems to down very often lately maybe someoen uis attacking it |
| 20:09.19 | jaggz1 | jelly, I just went into aptitude, hit enter on the package, and +'ed the newer version (from backports).. |
| 20:09.20 | dondelelcaro | jaggz1: lyx is another, but frankly you should just write latex in a text editor. |
| 20:09.27 | jaggz1 | had to approve the untrusted source thing.. that sucks. |
| 20:09.29 | dpkg | glabels: (label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 348 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
| 20:10.22 | jelly-home | jaggz1: that means you didn't add its key correctly |
| 20:10.23 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly-home: That was just what I needed. Thanks again! |
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| 20:10.34 | HardDisk_WP | hmm... |
| 20:10.46 | jelly-home | jaggz1: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:10.47 | HardDisk_WP | does glabels support stuff like print-as-pdf? |
| 20:11.11 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: almost all apps can print to ps |
| 20:11.13 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 20:11.21 | jelly-home | pstopdf is easy |
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| 20:12.17 | earthian | Eulex, its me that is sorry. i think i mixed something up. :) |
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| 20:12.27 | jaggz1 | okay, handling the key thing -- thanks |
| 20:12.29 | sdps | I just installed mysql and am looking for a simple interface for it so I can begin experimenting. Something to make tables, input information, like.... recipes or car parts or contacts or book information.. is there anything like that? for instance, my daughter wants to catalog her MP3s.. I can use the CLI to build the tables, but is there anything like a 'generic' interface for MySQL? |
| 20:12.54 | jaggz1 | after +'ing the newer bpo wine, both old and new versions are marked 'p', and the old libwine 0.9 (old) is red :( |
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| 20:13.43 | _Sam-- | sdps : this isnt a debian endorsed solution, but i use and sqlyog, works fine for free as a gui front end to mysql. |
| 20:13.47 | sdps | Hrm, just realized I'm asking a MySQL question on #debian. Does it help if MySQL is running on deb? |
| 20:13.51 | jelly-home | jaggz1: um, what about just doing "aptitude install wine" instead? |
| 20:14.05 | earthian | sdps, i usually use apache2+phpmyadmin |
| 20:14.05 | earthian | php too ofc :) |
| 20:14.08 | sdps | _Sam--: Beaut, I'll check it out. |
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| 20:14.37 | sdps | earthian: I'll look at that also.. Thanks to you both. Peace, |
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| 20:15.17 | shriven | Does anyone know if/how I can force pam_ldap to use a simple bind? |
| 20:15.31 | esthar | So I installed Etch with LVM2 encrypted LVs with AES encryption and then I upgraded to sid. Everything is great, except I'm trying to use 2.6.26 in sid but it doesn't work with the disk encryption so I have to use Etch's 2.6.18 to even boot. |
| 20:15.42 | esthar | Can sid's 2.6.26 be configured to work with my current LVM2 encrypted LVs? |
| 20:16.04 | jaggz1 | jelly, it wants to downgrade (libwine [1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports, now) -> 0.9.25-2.1 (stable)]) |
| 20:16.09 | darsie | Hi! How can I keep 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' in resolv.conf? 'ifup wlan1' overwrites it with dhcp data. |
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| 20:16.48 | jelly-home | jaggz1: aptitude install wine/etch-backports, then |
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| 20:17.15 | jaggz1 | thanks.. trying |
| 20:17.23 | jelly-home | jaggz1: rtfm, too ;-) |
| 20:17.55 | jaggz1 | it still thinks it's untrusted after I did the backports keyring install (and update) (and the update before) |
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| 20:18.47 | jaggz1 | so many manuals to read dude.. :~( I've been going through so many documents today.. I consider myself good at searching too.. but I can't replace the human buddy's keen eye. |
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| 20:18.50 | jaggz1 | and intellect |
| 20:19.18 | earthian | I need help form somebody that could guide me to the right direction in searching for a cause and solution for my problem that looks exactly like http://madwifi.org/ticket/2069 and also I experience things like http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2005-04/3243.html |
| 20:19.36 | jelly-home | !tell earthian about repeat |
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| 20:20.39 | steampunkey | so what's the deal then, how do you redirect tty* or some shell/terminal/whatever you call it to something else (so it can be transfered, showed elsewhere, even read)? |
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| 20:21.02 | jaggz1 | what do you want to redirect? |
| 20:21.05 | _Sam-- | steampunkey : its called 'screen' |
| 20:21.22 | jaggz1 | program output, entire shell session, .. ? |
| 20:21.24 | earthian | question on this could be: is this kernel (stock lenny 2.6.26), or madwifi driver or hardware issue? |
| 20:21.25 | earthian | what i am sure is that its related to my wireless card :/ |
| 20:22.36 | steampunkey | jiggaz1: everything textual. |
| 20:22.42 | _Sam-- | steampunkey : screen - a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation |
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| 20:23.29 | steampunkey | _Sam--, I was just about to learn about screen. Butt now you say... emulation? what? |
| 20:23.41 | _Sam-- | you have to do some learning on your own, apparently. |
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| 20:24.23 | _Sam-- | screen is the program that will allow you attach and detach your sessions. or as you call it transferred, showed elsewhere, even read |
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| 20:25.05 | steampunkey | _Sam--, so I can redirect it to a serial port for example, or another prog, right? |
| 20:25.10 | steampunkey | *with screen |
| 20:25.19 | _Sam-- | are you talking about a remote serial console? |
| 20:25.44 | _Sam-- | actually, im sorry, but i dont have any more time to help you. you need to help yourself some more first, and i have some important work to get done. |
| 20:26.01 | steampunkey | _Sam--, ah well. ok. |
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| 20:26.33 | steampunkey | So, how to use tty terminal over serial port? Any links? |
| 20:26.48 | beardy | !serial tty |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | Edit /etc/inittab, at the bottom, there are commented examples, uncomment the ttyS0 line, if you use the first serial port (configure the line if you have to) run 'init q' to reinitialize the /etc/inittab, connect the cable, on the other box, run a terminalprogram, like minicom, telix, or whatever is available on that box/os. |
| 20:27.04 | earthian | jelly-home, sorry.. was not aware that it was still bad time to ask this :) |
| 20:27.32 | steampunkey | beardy, thanks. |
| 20:27.38 | beardy | steampunkey: You're welcome. |
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| 20:28.05 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 20:28.27 | steampunkey | larcen_, hello |
| 20:28.35 | jelly-home | earthian: I wouldn't ask more often than hourly |
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| 20:29.01 | earthian | i see |
| 20:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, unfortunately, glabels sucks...do you know an alternative? |
| 20:29.45 | Muffin | Good afternoon...I have a problem. When I /etc/init.d/saslauthd restart, it overwrites stuff in /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/ ...as well it should. The problem is that those files should be owned by postfix, and not by root. When saslauthd restarts, root owns them, postfix cannot see them, and so my smtp auth system fails. |
| 20:29.52 | steampunkey | What a HECK!? I can't believe it. Make wasn't installed on my machine. WTH? Is that possible? |
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| 20:30.04 | pyro | are there any engineers around? |
| 20:30.06 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: no, I've only recently stumbled onto glabels |
| 20:30.15 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 20:30.24 | pi__ | pyro, what do you need |
| 20:32.03 | pyro | pi__, I need some advice. What would an engineer call an object that can be structurally fragile and solid dynamically. |
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| 20:33.30 | pi__ | pyro, beats me. not an engineer =/ :P you'll need a civil or mechanical engineer |
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| 20:34.10 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how come everytime i do a reboot on my pc. my alsa wont start up at boot. and everytime i have to do alsaconf as root. and is getting annoying any ideas? |
| 20:34.17 | keith4 | any suggestions of how to "hot backup" a debian system? |
| 20:34.27 | Muffin | keith4: rsync? |
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| 20:34.50 | keith4 | rsync has no problem with file locking? |
| 20:35.10 | pyro | possibly, but I don't need that kind of engineer. I'm trying to write an essay about open source software and one of the topics is the tremendous variances found in the stability and flexibilty of linux depending on the user. |
| 20:35.18 | earthian | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m641db381 :D |
| 20:35.38 | earthian | a nice talk to a bot... |
| 20:36.01 | pyro | pi__, I'm trying to describe it as succinctly as possible, but i'm finding that to be incredibly difficult. |
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| 20:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | earthian, I think it's unlikely there is a solution here, as the links you provide are already at a much more specialized place and don't give a solution (they more seem to agree that it's a bug in the software that should be fixed) |
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| 20:38.54 | pyro | pi__, I was actually hoping to find a software engy then ambush them about an ambigious questions. by any chance do you know where I might be able to catch one? |
| 20:39.03 | pyro | ambiguous |
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| 20:39.35 | pi__ | pyro, not really. try your luck with as many channels as possible :) |
| 20:39.54 | pyro | :/ |
| 20:40.54 | pyro | i asked in a few other channels and I didn't get much of a response. The #ubuntu channel was just embarssing, it seems if you're not asking how to change the desktop imagine they don't want you in there. |
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| 20:41.15 | earthian | :D |
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| 20:41.47 | earthian | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. Then I will wait for the fix and not bring my laptop to the warranty service |
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| 20:44.27 | hellues | hey |
| 20:44.36 | hellues | how to set open dns in debian |
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| 20:44.57 | keith4 | hellues: man resolve.conf |
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| 20:45.10 | abrotman | pyro: meh .. #math maybe? but you might get flamed |
| 20:45.38 | pyro | really? |
| 20:45.47 | pyro | damn math nerds need to get laid |
| 20:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | earthian, one of them is from 2005, though.. :-/ |
| 20:46.10 | hellues | keith4, |
| 20:46.15 | hellues | No manual entry for resolve.conf |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | pyro: i'm sure i tell them you said that .. they'll answer your quetsion |
| 20:46.29 | pyro | lol |
| 20:46.29 | abrotman | hellues: "resolv.conf" .. no "e" |
| 20:46.29 | keith4 | hellues: man resolve.conf |
| 20:46.31 | keith4 | without the e |
| 20:46.32 | abrotman | NO E |
| 20:46.38 | hellues | sorry |
| 20:46.41 | keith4 | my fault |
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| 20:46.48 | pyro | sorry |
| 20:46.58 | hellues | can you suggest any address that tells this operation |
| 20:47.16 | earthian | CutMeOwnThroat, yes.. thats terrible! I also saw like this errors from kernel 2.6.4 or so... and its still in 2.6.26.. something has to be wrong here! |
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| 20:47.32 | pyro | abrotman, I mean no offense, my gf is doing her post grad in applied math so I joke about it with her a lot :) I forget inside jokes don't translate well on the internet |
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| 20:47.54 | abrotman | SDNWOTN |
| 20:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | earthian, ha, there was a bug in wine that made Chemdraw pretty much unusable for the last 8 years or so... (hooray, got fixed a few months ago) if stuff is not so mainstream, it often doesn't get so much attention |
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| 20:49.34 | hellues | do you suggest a web page that tells smt about open dns |
| 20:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, bless you |
| 20:50.07 | klync | anyone using sa-learn-cyrus? i see it's in sid but i'm on etch ... I was wondering about getting the pkg running here |
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| 20:50.36 | earthian | yes, indeed. I have acer aspire one with lenny... think I should install ubuntu or something as these guys do not report such a problems... :S I am not sure at all as I have no idea what is causing that |
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| 20:52.41 | abrotman | earthian: ask them .. not us .. we're going to tell you to use Debian |
| 20:53.05 | jelly-home | tells nothing |
| 20:53.06 | Muffin | Solution to my abovestated problem: Add "postfix" to the "sasl" group. |
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| 20:53.24 | earthian | I use debian and I am happier now. |
| 20:53.25 | abrotman | hey i knew that! |
| 20:53.32 | earthian | :P |
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| 20:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | just use a wild mixture of ubuntu and debian packages, so that nobody can say anymore what you use :-P |
| 20:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's best |
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| 20:55.21 | jelly-home | it's also beyond help, makes the job of both channels easier! |
| 20:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you learn lots and lots about how things can fail |
| 20:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you don't get bored easily |
| 20:56.09 | klync | CutMeOwnThroat: gentoo has that featur already |
| 20:56.39 | hellues | i set the open dns muhahaha |
| 20:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the feature that you learn how things fail? |
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| 20:57.00 | klync | well, not so much "how things fail" as "how badly things can fail" |
| 20:57.04 | HardDisk_WP | heya...any of you have an idea how glabels works?! |
| 20:57.44 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you use a template .. design, and print? |
| 20:57.58 | abrotman | can't tell if that was a question .. or surprise |
| 20:58.13 | HardDisk_WP | That is why I hate gnome programs, their GUI sucks |
| 20:58.25 | abrotman | wow .. that was useful |
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| 20:58.48 | stew | HardDisk_WP: i use glabels, ask a more specific question |
| 20:58.51 | HardDisk_WP | lol, i try for five hours to find a program that prints labels for slim dvd keep cases |
| 20:58.58 | RedShift | HardDisk_WP: yes, GTK teh suck |
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| 20:59.01 | RedShift | QT for the win |
| 20:59.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I load a template? |
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| 20:59.15 | HardDisk_WP | I only see some big grey rectangle |
| 20:59.34 | stew | HardDisk_WP: you want to edit a template? or you want to use a template to create labels? |
| 20:59.59 | [Shearer] | hi all |
| 21:00.05 | HardDisk_WP | no idea, i just want a simple stupid dvd label with front text+image and back-text |
| 21:00.10 | keith4 | performance of my apt-cacher is absolutely terrible, from anything but localhost. i can't figure out why. ideas? |
| 21:00.39 | Sazpaimon | anyone ever set up debian on a 1and1 server? is it worth it to use the preinstalled package or set it up from scratch |
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| 21:01.16 | HardDisk_WP | stew, I went to "New", chose generic A4 |
| 21:01.38 | HardDisk_WP | now I see some big grey rectangle, but no shapes that indicate *what* part I am editing |
| 21:02.09 | stew | HardDisk_WP: the dropdown next to A4 is where you'd select the template |
| 21:02.29 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, but I dont have any label paper |
| 21:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think within 5 hours you could have figured out how to do the same to scale with a generic program like inkscape or openoffice |
| 21:03.19 | HardDisk_WP | and I dont see anything with DVD insert |
| 21:03.28 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried that once, and I failed |
| 21:03.36 | somnambulant | anyone: I am considering getting a unix/linux system administration Bachelor's Degree.. any ideas on this.. or would it be better to go with Technology Management or something like that? (USF in Florida has a new 4 year Unix/Linux program) |
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| 21:04.07 | RedShift | somnambulant: one tip: go to school for things you don't know yet |
| 21:04.15 | wols | somnambulant: OT |
| 21:04.30 | SimonAdameit | The problem of the flashplugin not working in iceweasel seems to be that it is not even found. I think so, because the mozilla-plugin-gnash is not found too. |
| 21:04.36 | stew | HardDisk_WP: if there isn't a template matching your needs you can create your own from File->Template Designer |
| 21:04.39 | somnambulant | Redshift: Well- I really don't know too much about unix/linux.. :) |
| 21:04.50 | wols | somnambulant: ask ##linux or such. not here |
| 21:04.58 | SimonAdameit | Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 21:05.12 | somnambulant | wols: is that a direct order? |
| 21:05.15 | HardDisk_WP | stew, the problem is: I dont have any slimcase to measure, they're at school... |
| 21:05.25 | wols | somnambulant: please- you are offtopic here |
| 21:05.31 | HardDisk_WP | and I have to have them tomorrow -.- |
| 21:06.13 | klync | i want to install a (pretty simple) pkg from sid in etch - it should be compatible... just wondering the best way to do this so that, if the pkg is ported to etch, it will override my locally installed one |
| 21:06.32 | klync | can i just do dpkg -i $pkg and not worry about it ever again? |
| 21:06.58 | wols | klync: no |
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| 21:07.06 | wols | klync: which package? |
| 21:07.16 | HardDisk_WP | stew, any idea what to do now? |
| 21:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, and that is a problem? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slim-case+dimensions http://www.cmcdisc.com/sjc.htm |
| 21:07.25 | klync | it's a perl script and a conf file: http://packages.debian.org/sid/web/sa-learn-cyrus |
| 21:07.38 | klync | wols: ^^ |
| 21:07.41 | stew | HardDisk_WP: it sounds like you need to create a template |
| 21:08.02 | wols | klync: do you run cyrus 2.2 in etch? |
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| 21:08.08 | stew | HardDisk_WP: or i guess what you need to do now is to find out the dimensions so that you can create a template |
| 21:08.14 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 21:08.27 | wols | judd: versions cyrus-imapd-2.2 |
| 21:08.27 | judd | wols: cyrus-imapd-2.2: 2.2.13-10 (etch) 2.2.13-14+b3 (lenny) 2.2.13-14+b3 (sid) |
| 21:08.40 | klync | wols: yup |
| 21:08.42 | wols | klync: if so, then you can |
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| 21:08.57 | HardDisk_WP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_case |
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| 21:09.07 | klync | wols: so, dpkg -i, and then, if the pkg makes it into etch, apt will be cool with that? |
| 21:09.07 | HardDisk_WP | => but what the hell about the slim version of these?! |
| 21:09.38 | wols | klync: yes |
| 21:09.46 | klync | awesome... thx |
| 21:09.56 | wols | klync: as long as the dependencies are right and they are |
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| 21:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think packages can "make it into etch" anymore |
| 21:10.53 | klync | :( |
| 21:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | only security updates go into a stable |
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| 21:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | any other changes go into stable when lenny becomes stable |
| 21:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then it'll not be etch anymore |
| 21:11.44 | HardDisk_WP | aaargh! glabels assistant only accepts *inches* |
| 21:11.55 | stew | not ONLY security, but, this wouldn't make it into stable |
| 21:12.01 | klync | CutMeOwnThroat: well, that's cool... debian still has the best release procedure imho... and, i would guess the advice also applies for that day when i do the dist upgrade to the new stable |
| 21:12.12 | stew | HardDisk_WP: edit->preferences |
| 21:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hopes he phrased this in a sufficiently confusing way |
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| 21:13.23 | Muffin | Has anybody successfully gotten SMTP auth working with postfix, such that OSX Mail.app can actually use the smtp server? |
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| 21:13.40 | RedShift | Muffin: I use dovecot as SASL auth server |
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| 21:13.48 | RedShift | and yes I have it working |
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| 21:14.20 | Muffin | RedShift: Such that Mail.app runs? I have postfix/cyrus worknig such that pine works...but not mail.app, for some reason. |
| 21:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what color RedShift is... and what color he'd been previously |
| 21:14.47 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: would you mind changing your nick, one finds it quite offensive |
| 21:14.50 | klync | Muffin: might be the auth types supported by the app |
| 21:14.54 | HardDisk_WP | explode |
| 21:15.12 | HardDisk_WP | why does it assume that labels are PORTRAIT oriented and not landscape |
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| 21:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, I already have, I was called SlayEmAllWithChainsaws previously |
| 21:15.29 | Muffin | klync: I thought so, but then I enabled every kind of authentication on the server, and it still didn't work. Like, PLAIN and LOGIN. |
| 21:15.30 | RedShift | Muffin: I don't know what Mail.app is? |
| 21:15.33 | RedShift | is it an SMTP client? |
| 21:15.46 | Muffin | RedShift: Mail.app is the factory-shipped standard MacOSX mail client. |
| 21:16.00 | RedShift | maybe it's trying to use a auth method your server doesn't support |
| 21:16.07 | RedShift | have you tried forcing it to plaintext? |
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| 21:16.17 | Muffin | Yeah. Turning off SSL and using PLAIN and LOGIN doesn't help. |
| 21:16.27 | RedShift | what error message does it give? |
| 21:16.34 | klync | Muffin: do you have any error messages or hints about what's going on? can you authenticate over telnet? |
| 21:16.40 | stew | HardDisk_WP: it doesn't |
| 21:17.03 | Muffin | I can authenticate over telnet, yes. I do not know enough about OSX to be able to see what exactly the error is. |
| 21:17.16 | HardDisk_WP | stew, ? |
| 21:17.20 | RedShift | doesn't mail.app say "hey this went wrong"? |
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| 21:17.29 | stew | HardDisk_WP: it doesn't assume that labels are PORTRAIT oriented |
| 21:17.41 | klync | RedShift: it's a mac... it just hopes you mistake its silence for coolness |
| 21:18.02 | RedShift | heh |
| 21:18.05 | HardDisk_WP | would be really happy about print preview... |
| 21:18.08 | RedShift | then switch on debug mode |
| 21:18.16 | thinline | I'm trying to compile mod_h264_streaming against the lighttpd sources but it doesn't seem to compile. It just skips right over it... |
| 21:18.29 | HardDisk_WP | and lines separating the parts of the label |
| 21:18.31 | klync | just saw the release in #topic ... yay! |
| 21:18.32 | stew | HardDisk_WP: click on the "Print Preview" button in the print dialog |
| 21:18.33 | thinline | anyone know why this would be happening? |
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| 21:18.49 | stew | HardDisk_WP: click on the "Print Outlines" in the print dialog |
| 21:19.08 | Muffin | klync: /var/log/mail.info doesn't register a login attempt from mail.app. |
| 21:19.09 | HardDisk_WP | stew, that prints the outer marks, but not the inner stuff, which is the most important |
| 21:19.21 | stew | HardDisk_WP: what is an outer mark? what is "inner stuff"? |
| 21:19.39 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.alpha-duplication.com/DVD%20Case%20Print%20Spec.pdf |
| 21:19.46 | HardDisk_WP | you see the inner, dashed lines? |
| 21:19.50 | HardDisk_WP | these are what I need |
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| 21:20.47 | klync | Muffin: maybe it's trying to use the ssl port instead of 25 |
| 21:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, listen play proxy in between the two - listen to a port with nc -l -p <portno> and let your mail app connect there, telnet into the smtp port on the other machine and copy&paste everything from one to the other and vice versa - that way you can experiment some more when you hit the error |
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| 21:21.36 | japherwocky | so, fresh debian install: apt-get update hangs on [Waiting for Headers] |
| 21:21.56 | japherwocky | any thoughts? |
| 21:22.24 | klync | japherwocky: bad mirrors? proxy problems? |
| 21:22.30 | stew | HardDisk_WP: there is a line drawing tool in the toolbar |
| 21:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no network :) |
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| 21:23.23 | Sazpaimon | hey guys, what's one of the more reccomended partitioning schemes for a server environment. I've got a 250GB drive i can use for my needs. I've gone pretty oldschool in the past but I'd like to know what all the cool kids use today. |
| 21:23.24 | japherwocky | oh funky.. it just chugged through one |
| 21:23.35 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm, complicated. I will give it a shot. |
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| 21:24.26 | RedShift | Sazpaimon: all the cool kids use LVM these days |
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| 21:24.50 | Sazpaimon | RedShift, do tell |
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| 21:26.04 | RedShift | Sazpaimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux) |
| 21:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, of course, essentially it's the same as just listening in - but for the few lines you'll need, it's probably easier |
| 21:26.24 | Sazpaimon | so i see |
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| 21:26.36 | Sazpaimon | can debian still not boot /boot/ from a logical volume or is that in the past? |
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| 21:26.54 | RedShift | Sazpaimon: I wouldn't recommend putting /boot or even / on LVM |
| 21:26.56 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, true. i'll try that later and report back. |
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| 21:27.07 | RedShift | just use LVM for data, like /home, /var, stuff like that |
| 21:27.08 | k-os | themill, ping |
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| 21:28.23 | gribouille | hi |
| 21:28.38 | gribouille | is firefox available on debian ? |
| 21:28.38 | Sazpaimon | sounds good to me |
| 21:28.52 | maligor | gribouille, iceweasel |
| 21:29.36 | Sazpaimon | perfect, found someone that did the same thing: http://www.wehave.net/linux/custom1and1.html |
| 21:29.42 | gribouille | maligor, isn't it possible to get it as firefox ? |
| 21:29.47 | Sazpaimon | thanks for the info RedShift, i can take it from here |
| 21:30.17 | maligor | gribouille, not in official debian |
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| 21:30.39 | maligor | mozilla politics is incompatible with debian politics and good sense |
| 21:30.47 | gribouille | maligor, and somewhere else ? |
| 21:31.00 | maligor | noone can stop you from installing firefox |
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| 21:31.22 | gribouille | maligor, I want to install it as debian package |
| 21:32.50 | n3kl | what is wrong with iceweasel? |
| 21:33.00 | gribouille | n3kl, the name |
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| 21:33.23 | n3kl | for you or a company |
| 21:33.27 | jelly-home | maligor: eh, debian politics can clash with common sense too |
| 21:33.39 | themill | k-os: pong |
| 21:33.59 | k-os | you gave someone a link to a site that creates vmware-images? |
| 21:34.05 | klync | does not understand the iceweasel controversey - both sides are right, and the solution is just |
| 21:35.23 | maligor | jelly-home, yes, but in this case it was mozilla politics |
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| 21:37.10 | gribouille | what do I have to change in a source iceweasel package to get a firefox package ? |
| 21:37.35 | k-os | gribouille, why don't you just download FF from their website? |
| 21:37.56 | stew | gribouille: why do you want firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 21:38.21 | gribouille | k-os, 1) because I want to install a debian package |
| 21:38.35 | gribouille | stew, because I'm used to firefox |
| 21:38.37 | themill | k-os: http://www.easyvmx.com/ is the one I've used in the past to try to understand the vmware config file format so that I can tweak config settings for vmplayer. |
| 21:38.55 | k-os | themill, thanks! how well does it work for you? |
| 21:39.03 | themill | gribouille: it's only an icon and a name. There aren't other differences that you'll notice. |
| 21:39.11 | stew | gribouille: so your objection is just things like the icon being different/ |
| 21:39.16 | k-os | gribouille, the only difference is the name, at least regarding significance and what i noticed |
| 21:39.38 | themill | k-os: seems fine. Haven't used it much. I've only had a couple of vms to make using it. |
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| 21:40.03 | k-os | themill, all right, i will give it a go! |
| 21:40.30 | gribouille | can I change the name and logo in a binary iceweasel package ? |
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| 21:40.38 | themill | k-os: I treat virtual machines as being disposable entities, so there's no reason not to just try it and see if it works for you. |
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| 21:44.26 | k-os | themill, so it does not create a foo.vmx/vdk file i can play in vmplayer? |
| 21:44.57 | themill | k-os: it does. But the disk is empty, waiting for you to install your guest OS into it. |
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| 21:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there any mathematica-compatible programs packaged in Debian and I just couldn't find them? (i.e. some that can read .nb type of mathematica code files) |
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| 21:51.38 | zibri | is it possible to remap the up arrow to be right shift, and vice versa? |
| 21:52.13 | stew | zibri: yes. in X or in console? |
| 21:52.31 | zibri | x |
| 21:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmodmap? |
| 21:52.48 | stew | zibri: you can do this with xmodmap. xkeycaps would help you create input for xmodmap |
| 21:52.55 | zibri | okey.. thanks |
| 21:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but xmodmap differientiates between keys and modifiers... |
| 21:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | won't it bork on trying to change a modifier key? |
| 21:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no, obviously not |
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| 21:59.50 | brainfg | can anyone tell me how can i install mysql by apt-get without have to pass by that password screen and introducing the default root:root ? |
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| 22:01.43 | zibri | argh, löst det eländig shiftproblemet right shift is up arrow, and works. up arrow is listed as shift, but does not work. |
| 22:01.58 | zibri | oops |
| 22:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty eländig for sure :-P |
| 22:02.51 | zibri | it kinda works. the right shift works as up arrow (as demonstrated), but up arrow does not work as shift |
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| 22:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | brainfg, apt-get -y possibly (man apt-get) |
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| 22:04.41 | brainfg | that only force that: are you sure you want to download xxMBs |
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| 22:07.38 | RachedTN | I have installed the wrong version of a package named libpri, now i wanna to remove it, but i really don't know how to do it correctly, i tried apt-get remove --purge libpri (i am on debian etch), but it says : Couldn't find package libpri |
| 22:07.46 | RachedTN | any ideas what to do ! |
| 22:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | use the correct package name |
| 22:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 22:08.30 | themill | judd: versions libpri1.0 |
| 22:08.30 | judd | themill: libpri1.0: 1.4.3-2 (lenny) 1.4.3-3 (sid) |
| 22:08.35 | themill | judd: versions libpri1.2 |
| 22:08.35 | judd | themill: libpri1.2: 1.2.4-1 (etch) |
| 22:08.57 | themill | has no idea why the versions look back to front between etch and lenny. |
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| 22:09.09 | RachedTN | ok, judd and Themil, i will try |
| 22:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, they don't 1.2.4 (etch) vs 1.4.3 (lenny) |
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| 22:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever that 1.2 and 1.0 stuff is :) |
| 22:10.01 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the package name is versioned too.... |
| 22:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, that's just to confuse us :) |
| 22:10.27 | themill | nods |
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| 22:13.41 | caribou_ | hello |
| 22:13.49 | caribou_ | has anyone managed to install pidgin 2.5.2 |
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| 22:16.18 | RachedTN | I am on pidgin 2.4.1 |
| 22:16.25 | caribou_ | ok |
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| 22:18.52 | Ejdesgaard| | how do i add ssh to init 3? |
| 22:19.36 | themill | Ejdesgaard|: it should be by default, if you've installed the ssh package |
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| 22:21.21 | Ejdesgaard| | themill, your right... |
| 22:21.41 | Ejdesgaard| | but how do i add foo program to some runlevel? |
| 22:22.06 | themill | dpkg: tell Ejdesgaard| about runlevel |
| 22:22.07 | Ejdesgaard| | like in gentoo: rc-update add foo boot... |
| 22:22.45 | Ejdesgaard| | doesn't seem to work... |
| 22:23.35 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 22:23.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 22:25.03 | dudeman | hi |
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| 22:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ejdesgaard|, update-rc.d |
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| 22:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, he was actually being concrete :) |
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| 22:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !update-rc.d |
| 22:29.18 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 22:30.07 | cihan253 | hello I installed dreamlinux but it didn't make my home/user so when I am trying to log in with user it says you don't have user part in home , do you want to use root area. when I click yes it says you don't have permmission. now is there any way to add user files to home directory. if the answer is no. what command makes me avaliable to log in with root ? |
| 22:30.33 | themill | cihan253: try #dreamlinux |
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| 22:31.08 | cihan253 | themill: noone inside also it uses debian platform |
| 22:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !based on |
| 22:31.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 22:31.43 | themill | cihan253: but you're not using debian, you're using dreamlinux. |
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| 22:34.26 | Ejdesgaard| | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks :) |
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| 22:36.32 | dirkson | Heyo all. I can't quite seem to get ntop to run on debian... It just hangs and errors. Is anyone else running etch that can check if it's debian or my box? |
| 22:37.09 | FareWell | xlsfonts doesn't show fonts that are installed by dpkg -- how do I get my fonts back? |
| 22:37.34 | pickcoder | dirkson: works fine here |
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| 22:37.42 | dirkson | pickcoder: Well, damn. |
| 22:38.11 | dirkson | pickcoder: And ntop doesn't seem to have any sort of irc channel I can turn to... Hmm. This sucks. |
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| 22:38.32 | pickcoder | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 22:38.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 22:39.19 | pickcoder | dirkson: what does dpkg -l libc6 tell? |
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| 22:40.02 | dirkson | IM'd to you |
| 22:40.28 | pickcoder | please don't do that unless you ask |
| 22:40.32 | pickcoder | you can post it here |
| 22:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? should be only 1 line |
| 22:40.34 | pickcoder | it's public info |
| 22:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | only one relevant line, that is |
| 22:40.58 | dirkson | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries\ |
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| 22:41.20 | pickcoder | which kernel are you running |
| 22:41.20 | dirkson | Gotcha. I wasn't sure if the others were relevant : ) They're rather arcane looking |
| 22:41.21 | pickcoder | uname -a |
| 22:41.27 | killfill_ | hi |
| 22:41.36 | dirkson | Linux marvin 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 21:24:20 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:41.43 | killfill_ | i have a nvidia 7300 card. how do i see if direct rendering is enabled? |
| 22:41.44 | FareWell | xlsfonts | less -p lucida ==> fails on one machine, works on the other. xfonts-100dpi installed on both |
| 22:41.49 | themill | dirkson: that's an old kernel |
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| 22:42.13 | pickcoder | 2.6.18-6 is the latest Etch kernel |
| 22:42.14 | lfs | Is Lenny still testing? |
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| 22:42.21 | pickcoder | I'm running the 2.6.25 from BPO |
| 22:42.23 | dirkson | themill: *pales* .... Reboot the server? |
| 22:42.38 | pickcoder | aptitude update and then run aptitude upgrade |
| 22:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | now dat's interesting, I'm already on 2.7-3, didn't know I alredy progressed towards the new stable so much :) |
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| 22:43.06 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that's a rather out of date libc6 |
| 22:43.12 | themill | judd: versions libc6 |
| 22:43.13 | judd | themill: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-14 (lenny) 2.7-15 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
| 22:43.42 | lfs | etch is stable and lenny is testing? |
| 22:43.49 | themill | lfs: yes |
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| 22:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so |
| 22:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it must be something I did ages ago :) |
| 22:44.45 | dirkson | pickcoder: Is there any way to upgrade the kernel without rebooting the box? |
| 22:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dirkson, only magic |
| 22:45.00 | pickcoder | dirkson: not unless it's a virtual machine |
| 22:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | even then you have to reboot the vm |
| 22:45.12 | dirkson | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought someone was working on a dynamic-kernel-loady-thing. |
| 22:45.17 | pickcoder | vm != machine |
| 22:45.19 | pickcoder | :) |
| 22:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot = reboot |
| 22:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:46.05 | dirkson | *tries to weigh how much he wants ntop vs how much he wants to NOT reboot the webserver.* |
| 22:46.17 | dirkson | Anything else like ntop that I could be using? |
| 22:46.31 | pickcoder | what are you wanting to get/see |
| 22:46.45 | dirkson | pickcoder: As detailed info about my bandwidth usage as I can get. |
| 22:46.55 | pickcoder | I use iptraf |
| 22:47.13 | pickcoder | wireshark |
| 22:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dirkson, paste the error you get, btw ( /msg dpkg pastebin ) |
| 22:47.38 | pickcoder | mrtg is about the best for multi-interface usage graphing IMO |
| 22:47.42 | dirkson | pickcoder: iptraf looks like it should serve my uses. I can already see the damn hackers ^.^ |
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| 22:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, know one that can do per-process accounting? |
| 22:48.32 | pickcoder | only the user accounting daemon |
| 22:48.35 | pickcoder | it just logs by IP |
| 22:48.41 | pickcoder | and the logs suck IMO |
| 22:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no good |
| 22:49.06 | pickcoder | someone else may have ideas |
| 22:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've got a game running on a university server and always wondered how much traffic it produces (for moving it to a rented server some day) |
| 22:49.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's UDP and uses several ports etc |
| 22:49.43 | dirkson | pickcoder: Installed mrtg.... It doesn't appear to do much. |
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| 22:49.55 | pickcoder | dirkson: did you configure it and your snmp service? |
| 22:50.01 | pickcoder | it's not an install-and-go app |
| 22:50.15 | dirkson | pickcoder: *frowns* |
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| 22:50.24 | pickcoder | there is a how-to on the web that makes it simple though |
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| 22:51.08 | pickcoder | you can add CPU/Memory/ anything else you can query over the public snmp community |
| 22:51.21 | dirkson | pickcoder: That sounds neat |
| 22:51.22 | pickcoder | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/366 |
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| 22:51.35 | pickcoder | there is another one that covers the CPU+memory config rules |
| 22:51.41 | pickcoder | I can't find it offhand |
| 22:52.50 | pickcoder | I've considered logging the snmp stats from my UPS control module but I never seem to have free time to play |
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| 22:53.29 | n3kl | Anyone know of an IR receiver for linux? |
| 22:54.04 | pickcoder | dirkson: http://www.debianadmin.com/mrtg-installation-and-configuration-in-debian-based-distributions-2.html |
| 22:54.18 | pickcoder | n3kl: there are several that work with the kde IR control |
| 22:54.27 | pickcoder | I don't remember them all but you can Google for them |
| 22:54.44 | pickcoder | I think the one that came with my HP Media Center works with it |
| 22:55.18 | pickcoder | dirkson: that link covers free disk space, cpu usage, memory usage |
| 22:55.28 | pickcoder | (as well as bandwidth) |
| 22:55.39 | dirkson | pickcoder: Aye. I'm still following the first one... cfgmaker just appears to sit there |
| 22:56.18 | pickcoder | make sure snmpwalk will read the snmp segment you're working on |
| 22:56.33 | n3kl | pickcoder: do you know what its called or where to get one? |
| 22:56.52 | pickcoder | n3kl: nope.. google for "Linux IR remote" |
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| 22:58.39 | FareWell | how do I query my xfs font server? |
| 23:01.00 | FareWell | ok, somehow my /etc/X11/fs/config was wrong. Why? And why wouldn't X find the font w/o the xfs |
| 23:01.05 | FareWell | anyway. Sigh. |
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| 23:06.46 | b-04 | hi |
| 23:06.53 | b-04 | what is the log of events? |
| 23:07.01 | b-04 | for example: halt, reboot, sesion init |
| 23:07.25 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:08.39 | Rideh | slapd restart yields : tls init def ctx failed: -1 |
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| 23:09.59 | stew | b-04: /var/log/wtmp, which is readable by last |
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| 23:15.02 | b-04 | stew, thx |
| 23:15.42 | dsl_ | Hello there. I'm behind a router. Which one of the IPs reported by ifconfig is my internal one. |
| 23:15.49 | b-04 | stew, how to read? is encoded |
| 23:15.55 | stew | b-04: with last |
| 23:16.04 | Rideh | anyone mind trying to help me with some ldap problems |
| 23:16.09 | simonrvn | it's binary |
| 23:16.25 | Rideh | dsl_: probably 192. 10. etc |
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| 23:16.40 | Rideh | ifconfig will not report an external ip |
| 23:16.51 | dirkson | dsl_: Likely all of them, unless you're logged into the router when you type in ifconfig. It'll likely start with 192, and it /won't/ be the 127.0.0.1 one. (That's a loopback) |
| 23:16.56 | simonrvn | ifconfig is the machine's.... |
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| 23:16.59 | Rideh | unless you have more than 1 nic and one is connected to your nexternal |
| 23:17.33 | Rideh | simonrvn: your assuming he has the computer / router connected properly ;) |
| 23:17.47 | b-04 | its work |
| 23:17.51 | b-04 | thanks stew :) |
| 23:18.08 | dsl_ | Well, I'm trying to do a port forward in the router and I seem to have tried them all to no avail. |
| 23:18.18 | dsl_ | It's getting a little frustrating. |
| 23:18.27 | Rideh | dsl_: um. looka t your client list in your router |
| 23:18.42 | Rideh | or type ifconfig look for your eth# device and use its ip |
| 23:18.47 | simonrvn | Rideh: yes i am ;) |
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| 23:19.05 | Rideh | simonrvn: you familar with ldap? |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | ldap? what's that?! |
| 23:19.24 | simonrvn | !simonrvn |
| 23:19.24 | dpkg | Old joke. |
| 23:19.33 | simonrvn | useless bot |
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| 23:19.39 | Rideh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.51 | simonrvn | &simonrvn |
| 23:19.52 | ravenbird | is a LDAP geek. The Pink Stuff |
| 23:20.08 | Rideh | i was trying to enroll an ssl cert |
| 23:20.14 | simonrvn | Rideh: file access fubar, for the cert? |
| 23:20.21 | Rideh | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SingleSignOn |
| 23:20.36 | Rideh | i got lost in 3.2.5 :( |
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| 23:20.48 | Rideh | perhaps but the file is there |
| 23:20.57 | Rideh | unless there is somewhere else it's looking that i dont know of |
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| 23:21.32 | simonrvn | yes. the pems have to be readable by the ldap user. debian it's openldap |
| 23:21.48 | Rideh | yea i used teh correct user |
| 23:21.59 | Rideh | changed ownership to root:openldap |
| 23:22.15 | simonrvn | the public pem is ok to have 644 or 444 on it, private one is course tighter |
| 23:22.21 | Rideh | k |
| 23:22.23 | Rideh | lemme double check |
| 23:23.00 | Rideh | actually. when it came to generating the second cert 3.2.4 step 2 i only got one file output. only a server.pem no private key |
| 23:23.46 | Rideh | when i originally created the ca (certificate authority?) i got 2 files a private key as well as a public pem |
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| 23:23.59 | simonrvn | check that you have a PRIVATE KEY in that cert. it's much better to have 2 files... even if it's FS permissions, it's better than none |
| 23:24.09 | simonrvn | yeh but that's your ca |
| 23:24.13 | oklinux | how do i make the icon not shown on the desktop ? |
| 23:24.15 | simonrvn | not same thing |
| 23:24.51 | simonrvn | CACERT = TLSCACertificateFile |
| 23:24.53 | Rideh | simonrvn: oh wait is there an issue with that command -out server.pem -keyout server.pem is it overwriting / appending to same .pem? should i change the filename of the second? |
| 23:25.03 | simonrvn | SERVER = TLSCertificateFile |
| 23:25.27 | simonrvn | i would. i don't recall it appending |
| 23:26.32 | Rideh | ah much better |
| 23:26.35 | simonrvn | there's #ldap and #openldap, too |
| 23:26.39 | Rideh | ok so i'm going to submit a bug for that document |
| 23:26.52 | Rideh | because once i changed the filename of the second i got prompted for the addional questions |
| 23:26.58 | Rideh | qhich it hadnt done b4 |
| 23:27.01 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 23:27.11 | Rideh | ty - wasnt expecting a popquiz in documentation |
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| 23:27.45 | Rideh | ty |
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| 23:28.00 | simonrvn | np |
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| 23:30.10 | Rideh | so then the slapd.conf needs to be linked to the correct tlsca and tls certs instead of all linking to the same one.... frustrating oversight |
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| 23:31.07 | simonrvn | Rideh: the openldap docs are much clearer WRT that and other stuff |
| 23:31.19 | simonrvn | &admin guide |
| 23:31.20 | ravenbird | http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin2X/ where X can be 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 representing the release to which the docs are relevant |
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| 23:32.09 | Rideh | tbh i did try lookign there but iwasnt even sure where to begin -_- |
| 23:32.26 | Rideh | i spent 2 hours looking up what the difference in all the terms they were using were |
| 23:32.29 | Rideh | and didnt get anywhere |
| 23:32.34 | wad | I think I had a good idea of a way to do a live-backup of my server. It has a RAID-1 (mirror) md, composed of two 250GB drives. I could use mdadm to remove one drive from the RAID, then dd it to an external USB drive, then put it back and let it re-sync. What do you guys think of that idea? |
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| 23:33.05 | VaRiitOh | Hello |
| 23:33.12 | simonrvn | it assumes some basic working knowledge |
| 23:33.36 | VaRiitOh | What's it name of "messenger" program in console of Debian testing? |
| 23:33.52 | Rideh | simonrvn: yea unfortunatly this is my first time working with ldap of any sort |
| 23:34.00 | simonrvn | what's "messenger"? |
| 23:34.35 | mnvl__ | changing /etc/hosts doesn't seem to affect hostname resolution - how can i change what a hostname resolves to locally and temporarily, for texting?? |
| 23:34.38 | mnvl__ | testing* |
| 23:34.39 | VaRiitOh | simonrvn, MSN xD |
| 23:34.54 | simonrvn | if you mean "MSN messenger" you probably want pidgin and friends |
| 23:35.11 | geek | mnvl__: run a DNS server and use that? |
| 23:35.13 | simonrvn | pidgin is the gui one, i don't remember the term-based one |
| 23:35.16 | stew | mnvl__: how are you testing whether or not /etc/hosts is affecting hostname resolution? |
| 23:35.20 | VaRiitOh | I'm searching a MSN client but is for console, not gtk |
| 23:35.23 | simonrvn | !tell VaRiitOh -about search |
| 23:35.30 | geek | VaRiitOh: finch i think |
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| 23:35.49 | simonrvn | yeh finch |
| 23:35.54 | mnvl__ | stew: by adding an entry and using 'host' |
| 23:36.26 | geek | VaRiitOh: apt also has somethin called centerim i have never heard of |
| 23:36.28 | stew | mnvl__: yeah, host ignores /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf and only uses dns. if you test with "getent hosts hostname" you'll also be including /etc/hosts |
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| 23:36.56 | mnvl__ | ok stew that should work |
| 23:37.00 | mnvl__ | thanks |
| 23:37.12 | simonrvn | i'd use finch, it's just a term-based pidgin |
| 23:37.19 | geek | VaRiitOh: alternately, though this is a bit more of a pain, you can run bitlbee and use a irc client. however i personally have had no luck getting bitlbee working on debian. |
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| 23:41.32 | Rideh | simonrvn: still not working |
| 23:43.07 | Rideh | when i attempt to look at the ssl response i get connection refused. so i'll work on that perhaps thats the other issue |
| 23:47.57 | simonrvn | it's not running ;) |
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| 23:49.32 | Rideh | o |
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| 23:50.05 | Rideh | but there is no service for ssl to run? |
| 23:50.09 | Rideh | that doesnt amek sense |
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| 23:51.44 | simonrvn | slapd isn't running, if you're getting connection refused |
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| 23:52.40 | Rideh | slapd responds to openssl client requests? |
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| 23:53.06 | simonrvn | it can |
| 23:53.26 | simonrvn | not that openssl s_client would be useful ;) |
| 23:53.39 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 23:53.43 | Rideh | k |
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| 23:55.38 | L4m3r | what is a good apt frontend, other than Synaptic? I would appear that Adept is not in Lenny |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | aptitude |
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| 23:56.11 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 23:56.34 | geek | L4m3r: whats wrong with plain old vanilla apt? |
| 23:56.56 | L4m3r | eh, I find CLI a bit awkward for browsing packages |
| 23:57.09 | L4m3r | obviously, if I know the package name already, using the terminal is faster |
| 23:57.25 | abrotman | then use synaptic |
| 23:57.44 | L4m3r | I find synaptic's searching to be rather annoying |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | then write something better |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | you don't have many alternatives |
| 23:58.06 | themill | L4m3r: apt-cache search, tab completion, aptitude curses interface |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | there is gnome-apt too .. but last time i used it, it was not so hot |
| 23:58.38 | L4m3r | given the time I'd rather fix Adept, but obviously if I had that sort of time I would not have asked for help |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | gdebi maybe ? |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | kpackage? |
| 23:59.10 | L4m3r | it's a nice little manager but it's not totally stable |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | L4m3r: debtags search admin::package-management .. have fun |
