| 00:03.01 | geek | L4m3r: i'm odd but i use apt and grep together for that ;p |
| 00:03.35 | L4m3r | that's actually a good idea |
| 00:04.06 | L4m3r | thanks, geek |
| 00:04.21 | geek | np ;p |
| 00:04.26 | geek | <--- apt fan |
| 00:04.56 | dondelelcaro | L4m3r: aptitude is the best one in my experience. |
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| 00:06.14 | dirkson | Guis. BAH! |
| 00:06.14 | path_ | certainly it is |
| 00:07.13 | extor | Are there any newer jigdo images than this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ |
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| 00:07.24 | L4m3r | I loved Adept because it was a really quick way to look up package names... and that's really all I used it for |
| 00:07.53 | extor | I see a buncha DVD and CD isos from October but torrents and jigdos are only around from June...am I missing something? |
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| 00:08.23 | geek | extor: iirc jigdos are more 'rules' for building a dvd than an actual one |
| 00:09.15 | abrotman | extor: i pointed you at them earlier |
| 00:09.30 | extor | abrotman, you sure did...that was the same url, correct? |
| 00:09.33 | dondelelcaro | extor: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20081020-2/i386/jigdo-cd/ et al. |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | no it was not |
| 00:09.39 | extor | oops |
| 00:09.44 | abrotman | extor: why can't you use the netinst ? |
| 00:10.17 | extor | the jigdos that are built from that url...are they large sized isos? Or....tiny 50 meg isos? |
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| 00:10.40 | L4m3r | netinst is great :) |
| 00:10.51 | ir8 | I have a question what is the fastest way to add a range of 50 ips? |
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| 00:10.59 | dondelelcaro | extor: that url has the netinst and business card cds. |
| 00:11.05 | ir8 | In centos you have a ifcfg-eth-range0 file. |
| 00:11.14 | ir8 | how would you do this in debian? |
| 00:11.36 | extor | dondelelcaro, so is there no such thing as a DVD jigdo? |
| 00:11.37 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 00:11.38 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 00:11.47 | simonrvn | ir8: ^^^ |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | ir8: post-up sh -c 'for a in $(seq ..); ip addr add $a dev DEVICE; done;' or similar. |
| 00:12.18 | ir8 | simonrvn: okay... do i have to add each one by hand? |
| 00:13.05 | ir8 | ill read more |
| 00:13.08 | extor | I mean...there are DVDs from October 06 of FULL ISOs...what was the point of making them if they are not going to be torrented or jigdoed as well? |
| 00:13.25 | simonrvn | what dondelelcaro said |
| 00:13.25 | dondelelcaro | extor: uh... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 00:14.01 | dondelelcaro | it's not like they're hidden |
| 00:14.17 | ir8 | simonrvn: that doesn't help me really. |
| 00:14.22 | extor | dondelelcaro, those are not DVDs |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | extor: why can't you use the netinst ? |
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| 00:14.46 | dondelelcaro | extor: they're CDs. If you want dvds, look at the jigdo-dvd directory... |
| 00:15.10 | extor | dondelelcaro, ok I see them now, actually they were pretty well hidden cuz you are the only person here who knew about them |
| 00:15.27 | dondelelcaro | ir8: again, see what I said, and don't /msg me. |
| 00:15.30 | extor | everyone else was just trying to convince me to download a 50 killobyte net install CD image |
| 00:15.39 | simonrvn | so being clear what your intent is instead of giving irrelevant examples would help more. |
| 00:16.02 | dondelelcaro | extor: uh... unless you're doing something odd, you want the netinst images. |
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| 00:16.20 | abrotman | extor: it's 170MB .. |
| 00:16.20 | dondelelcaro | ir8: if you don't understand what what I said does, feel free to ask. [It won't make much sense if you haven't read man 5 interfaces;] |
| 00:16.54 | extor | dondelelcaro, the majority of the packages on the DVD are probably still good, wouldn't you think? |
| 00:17.11 | dondelelcaro | extor: huh? |
| 00:17.34 | ir8 | dondelelcaro: I have read interfaces. |
| 00:17.43 | ir8 | i have read a few things as well. |
| 00:17.57 | dondelelcaro | ir8: ok, so then you should know where the post-up goes, and that it's a command that gets run after you've brought up the interface in question |
| 00:18.23 | xittum | hmm - dpkg isnt any help today! Anybody got the fix for virtualbox.ose? it has something to do with wrong modules but i tested with 2 different kernels+modules and and and |
| 00:18.27 | dondelelcaro | (you'll probably also want to add a down command which is the inverse, but that's generally not so important) |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | extor: which DVD? the ISO image from months ago? |
| 00:18.47 | extor | abrotman, October 6th is just a couple of weeks ago |
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| 00:21.56 | abrotman | extor: i'd guess they're fairly out of date .. i've updated almost 200 packages in the last two weeks |
| 00:22.19 | extor | I had no idea they changed them every week |
| 00:22.19 | japherwocky | is there anywhere to set http_proxy settings other than /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 00:22.37 | extor | I would think weekly updates would only be security related for the most part |
| 00:22.46 | abrotman | extor: lenny hasn't released yet |
| 00:22.46 | dondelelcaro | japherwocky: /etc/profile would be the usual location |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | /etc/environment ? |
| 00:23.01 | dondelelcaro | or that |
| 00:23.38 | japherwocky | thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 00:23.38 | extor | abrotman, uhhh yeah. However if a package in lenny has a security patch they will patch it and cook up a new .deb |
| 00:23.44 | dondelelcaro | bash reads /etc/profile, pam_env, /etc/environment |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | extor: maybe |
| 00:24.00 | dondelelcaro | extor: most security updates to lenny come through unstable |
| 00:24.14 | japherwocky | does apt look at anything other than /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 00:24.16 | dondelelcaro | (and they're by far the minority of things that get updated in lenny) |
| 00:24.17 | dondelelcaro | japherwocky: yes. |
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| 00:24.29 | KB1PYW | hi |
| 00:24.34 | extor | dondelelcaro, well my point was simply that in two weeks the .deb packages of a lenny DVD would not be completely obsolete---not by a long shot |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | extor: i just told you .. almost 200 packages in two weeks .. |
| 00:24.57 | dondelelcaro | extor: it won't be completely obsolete for years, most likely. |
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| 00:25.13 | dondelelcaro | extor: but it'll be out of date within 24 hours of being made |
| 00:25.21 | dondelelcaro | (if not sooner) |
| 00:26.04 | dondelelcaro | that's why it's generally pointless to use the full testing media unless you have no network connection |
| 00:26.15 | ir8 | hmr |
| 00:26.25 | dondelelcaro | (and why we keep suggesting you not burn the full media) |
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| 00:27.51 | extor | dondelelcaro, maybe 1% of the .debs will be out of date within 24 hours |
| 00:28.17 | dondelelcaro | extor: sure, but that's not the point |
| 00:28.20 | extor | But see I have a habit recently of installing lenny on multiple boxes--so I just want a DVD |
| 00:28.32 | extor | right well I have a point of my own though |
| 00:28.37 | dondelelcaro | extor: if you're installing it on lots of boxes, use a proxy mirror |
| 00:29.00 | extor | is a proxy mirror pretty easy to set up? |
| 00:29.05 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 00:29.19 | ir8 | hrm |
| 00:29.29 | ir8 | I can get it to add ip ranges. |
| 00:29.31 | ir8 | odd... |
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| 00:29.41 | dondelelcaro | can or can't? |
| 00:30.02 | dondelelcaro | ir8: if you're unable, give us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:30.21 | dondelelcaro | notes that he wrote a special script to do it for himself, but the command that he gave will work too |
| 00:31.34 | enouf | can fuse+ntfs-3g mount and ntfs drive that's on the LAN? |
| 00:31.43 | enouf | s/and/an |
| 00:31.49 | ir8 | dondelelcaro: sure... |
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| 00:32.11 | ir8 | dondelelcaro: i really need to just see a example. |
| 00:32.27 | enouf | or .. do i need to enable sharing and use cifs? |
| 00:32.43 | ir8 | ill post you mine and maybe post me back a better example. |
| 00:33.18 | dondelelcaro | ir8: uh... what I gave you was an example |
| 00:33.35 | ir8 | http://pastebin.ca/1232349 |
| 00:34.17 | enouf | ir8: why not do it at the router? |
| 00:34.53 | dondelelcaro | ir8: you can't have two default gateways |
| 00:35.05 | ir8 | yah i know that. |
| 00:35.11 | ir8 | i massed up :P |
| 00:35.28 | dondelelcaro | ir8: and you didn't even follow the example that I gave |
| 00:36.40 | ir8 | post-up sh -c 'for a in $(seq ..); ip addr add $a dev DEVICE; done;' |
| 00:36.58 | ir8 | soo i add that to the end of the file. |
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| 00:54.14 | BerMeJo | hi all |
| 00:54.23 | BerMeJo | im trying to run kde4 experimental in debian lenny, i can't boot X i get "Wwarning: --old-kde does not end with /share/config. Might wreak havoc." |
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| 00:55.54 | chuck | Is there another name for libdownload/libfetch |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | BerMeJo: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:58.55 | BerMeJo | thank you abrotman |
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| 01:01.15 | ir8 | hmr |
| 01:01.20 | ir8 | this sucks! |
| 01:01.26 | ir8 | I can figure this crap out lol |
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| 01:02.26 | dondelelcaro | ir8: uh... you don't add that to the end of the file. You add that to the main stanza for the address that you're brining up. |
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| 01:16.50 | yggdrasil | hi can somone help me with cron heres my tab |
| 01:17.00 | yggdrasil | http://pastebin.com/m2bc8f918 |
| 01:17.07 | yggdrasil | jeezuz i hate having to work in putty |
| 01:17.53 | path_ | what the heck is 'root' ? |
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| 01:18.56 | Sling | path_ : a command/alias apparently |
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| 01:19.36 | Sling | unless that is the reason this isnt working |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | not quite |
| 01:19.55 | unop | yggdrasil, why not use /etc/crontab ? as you are root anyway? |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | yggdrasil: do you get error output ? |
| 01:20.47 | yggdrasil | no no erro |
| 01:20.51 | unop | yggdrasil, or skip the sixth field - you don't specify the user in your own crontab |
| 01:21.07 | yggdrasil | because theres somethign else going on with this box and the syslog ifilled with gunk |
| 01:21.16 | yggdrasil | but over all its about right ? |
| 01:21.22 | yggdrasil | etc/crontab ? |
| 01:21.42 | abrotman | your crontask looks fine |
| 01:21.47 | yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 01:22.42 | yggdrasil | how can i check if its running abrotman ? |
| 01:22.59 | abrotman | maybe try * * * * * touch /tmp/foo also |
| 01:23.03 | unop | yggdrasil, log the command |
| 01:23.07 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 01:23.23 | yggdrasil | unop the syslog is full of junk because of an unrelated problem |
| 01:23.29 | unop | yggdrasil, * * * * * /home/yggdrasil/updown > /tmp/foo 2>&1 |
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| 01:23.40 | yggdrasil | ok thanks |
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| 01:24.54 | unop | yggdrasil, /etc/crontab is the system-wide crontab |
| 01:25.06 | Mordocai | I have limited bandwidth on my internet connection, and am trying to download the DVD for 64-bit debian. Can I install from just the first one, or do I have to use all 3? |
| 01:25.33 | unop | Mordocai, the first one should be enough to install the base system, desktop, etc |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | Mordocai: we would tell you to use the netinst |
| 01:25.43 | ce_geek | Hello folks. I've got some UVC webcam problems I hope someone can help with: http://www.pastebin.ca/1232375 It is a Creative Live! Cam Optia Pro. |
| 01:25.47 | abrotman | Mordocai: the netinst is likely the best way to efficiently use your bandwidth |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | especially for a single machine |
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| 01:26.15 | Mordocai | abrotman: Okay |
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| 01:27.25 | Mordocai | abrotman: Ah, dang... it says wlan isn't supported :(. I don't have access to an ethernet atm... |
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| 01:28.03 | ce_geek | Any thoughts with my webcam issues? |
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| 01:29.35 | abrotman | Mordocai: depends on your wifi |
| 01:30.20 | Mordocai | abrotman: Well, in fedora, it uses the zd1211rw driver. It's a belkin wireless USB network adapter. |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | ah |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | !zd1211 |
| 01:30.44 | dpkg | [zd1211] the _vendor-based_ community driver for ZyDAS USB wireless LAN chipsets (http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorBasedDriver). This driver is unmaintained and was rewritten, ask me about <zd1211rw>. A brief history is at http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver. Not expected to compile on recent kernels. |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | whoops .. |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | !tell Mordocai about zd1211rw |
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| 01:31.59 | abrotman | looks like if you get the firmware on a USB drive or something .. should work easily |
| 01:32.23 | Mordocai | abrotman: Okay. I'm actually having problems with it in fedora... guess i'll check out the channel for the driver. |
| 01:32.35 | Mordocai | No one in fedora seems to know how to help :( |
| 01:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ce_geek, no, but you can probably google some more :) see e.g. http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/linux-uvc-devel/2006-June/000547.html |
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| 01:35.04 | ChoJin | hello, anyone here using ruby ? |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | way to be vague |
| 01:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ce_geek, hm, from 2006 - that should be in current kernels |
| 01:35.29 | ChoJin | :) |
| 01:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hello, anyone here brushing teeth? |
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| 01:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-.P |
| 01:35.49 | ChoJin | well, I'm trying to require a standard library, but it fails to load it eventhough I see it in /usr/lib/ruby/1.8 |
| 01:35.57 | ce_geek | CutMeOwnThroat: I've seen lots of this stuff for the Logitech cams. I've got a Creative device. Same thing? |
| 01:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 01:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't speak to me at all :) |
| 01:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like the same error |
| 01:36.37 | shellito | Hi, I've been trying to give execution permission to a user to run a script with sudo.. I tried " user1 ALL=/path/script" in the /etc/sudoers |
| 01:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that other "cannot get frq" seems unrelated/harmless |
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| 01:37.09 | Mordocai | abrotman: So, if i downloaded http://packages.debian.org/sid/zd1211-firmware, ran the disc, installed the basic OS, and then installed that package... it should work? And would this be the best way? |
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| 01:37.13 | ce_geek | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 01:37.48 | ce_geek | CutMeOwnThroat: Deliberately bought a UVC-class webcam to avoid shenannigans. :-/ |
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| 01:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 01:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I know the feeling |
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| 01:38.51 | guiss | hi guys, I installed Debian Etch on my core2 duo E8400 with a Gigabyte P35-D3SL. Installation went fine but when it comes to booting, system keeps rebooting itself... how could I get some info if I can't get into the system? |
| 01:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm nearly at the viewpoint one shouldnt bother about finding out what hardware will be compatible and save that research time in more time for patching stuff up :-/ |
| 01:39.32 | shellito | is not working.. if for tomcat (restart tomcat).. I defined JAVA_HOME for user1.. but It can't erase files (script is for erase and restart) is not working.. |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | Mordocai: i don't think you want the sid one if you're installing etch |
| 01:40.04 | shellito | Im not sure if Im using the right directive to give permission to user1 on sudoers file. |
| 01:40.31 | Mordocai | abrotman: Okay, that was just off a google... i'm downloading the debian-40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:40.43 | abrotman | so you want the etch firmware package |
| 01:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | guiss, that sounds kind of like a hardware problem... rebooting is rather weird |
| 01:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | guiss, when does it reboot? |
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| 01:41.25 | guiss | ran a memtest and went everything fine |
| 01:41.38 | guiss | ubuntu and debian installers run correctly and installations go fine |
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| 01:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:42.00 | guiss | it reboots before checking initramfs, someway around there... it goes very fast |
| 01:42.55 | guiss | it says something about TCP, then I managed to read some "NET..." and reboots |
| 01:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | try booting the CD kernel and give the boot option root=/dev/<myRootPartition> |
| 01:42.56 | wols | guiss: what kernel version? |
| 01:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* just suggesting that in lack of a better idea |
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| 01:43.04 | guiss | wols, tried with ubuntu 8.10 with 2.6.27 and with etch with 2.6.18 |
| 01:43.17 | wols | the etch kernel is not for your mobo |
| 01:43.27 | HaCkDrEs | HI HI |
| 01:43.32 | wols | and there is no 2.6.27 for ubuntu but that's OT |
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| 01:43.45 | guiss | wols, and howcome the debian installer boots fine? |
| 01:43.48 | wols | oh. 8.10 |
| 01:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what was that about |
| 01:44.23 | guiss | after trying with etch I went with ubuntu beta, which has lastest kernel (same results though) |
| 01:44.27 | wols | guiss: no apic |
| 01:44.36 | guiss | no apic, i'll try that |
| 01:44.42 | wols | no you don't! |
| 01:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | he don't? |
| 01:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 01:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't |
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| 01:45.32 | wols | guiss: so what exact kernel? |
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| 01:45.38 | wols | and I only care about debian |
| 01:45.42 | Synn | need some help |
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| 01:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives Synn a handful of help |
| 01:46.05 | Synn | rebooted my debian system and all the window titles are missings the buttons to close it and everything |
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| 01:46.13 | Synn | can't move the windows around either |
| 01:46.24 | wols | Synn: using compiz? |
| 01:46.35 | Synn | no sir |
| 01:46.45 | wols | I'm no fucking "sir" |
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| 01:47.14 | guiss | wols, right now i have etch with 2.6.18 |
| 01:47.18 | guiss | noapic did nothing |
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| 01:47.38 | guiss | after seeing "checking for..." there is one more line and reboots |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | Lord Wols ? |
| 01:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Your Majesty? |
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| 01:49.14 | Synn | apapt-exit |
| 01:49.27 | wols | abrotman: you help then. HAND |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seems he retired to his chambers |
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| 01:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, chappie's German, 4 in the morning there, no wonder |
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| 01:51.48 | ir8 | guiss what is your issue bud |
| 01:52.01 | ir8 | guiss: your system fails to boot. |
| 01:52.12 | guiss | ir8, I videotaped when it hangs to try to see when it reboots itself |
| 01:52.26 | ir8 | what is the error messagE? |
| 01:52.26 | guiss | wait a min |
| 01:52.45 | ir8 | there is a other kernel options you want to try bro. |
| 01:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | guiss, well, try to boot into it with the CD kernel anyways - perhaps it's not the kernel itself, but some userspace program? |
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| 01:53.15 | guiss | CutMeOwnThroat, it's a fresh etch install |
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| 01:53.43 | ir8 | guiss noacpi,acpi=off |
| 01:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also acpi=off |
| 01:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 01:53.59 | guiss | the last messages I get are: "checking if image is initramfs... it is, freeing initrd memory: 4387k freed" |
| 01:54.54 | ir8 | hmr |
| 01:55.00 | ir8 | guiss never seen that before. |
| 01:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, that's before userspace |
| 01:55.04 | ir8 | what is ablove that? |
| 01:55.04 | guiss | i'll try with those parameters about acpi, brb |
| 01:55.23 | guiss | timer vector... brougth up 1 cpu, migration_cost = 0 |
| 01:55.24 | guiss | 3 lines |
| 01:55.34 | ir8 | is this a x64 or x86 |
| 01:55.34 | ir8 | ? |
| 01:56.06 | ir8 | pci=conf1 |
| 01:56.09 | ir8 | try that asll. |
| 01:56.22 | ir8 | that will make plug and shit change |
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| 01:56.34 | ir8 | this could be a plug and play issue. |
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| 01:56.50 | guiss | the installation is x86, cpu is a core2duo e8400 |
| 01:57.09 | ir8 | okay that is fine |
| 01:57.24 | mimcpher | guiss, i've had problems like that for some reason that still eluded me. I think the problem was related to the bootloader messing things up. |
| 01:57.34 | Supaplex | !pciid [8086:5204] |
| 01:57.35 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 8086:5204 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 01:57.38 | ir8 | pci=conf1, |
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| 01:57.54 | mimcpher | How are your disks set up? and cdroms, etc. |
| 01:58.26 | guiss | windows on sda1, all the system on sda2 just until it works fine |
| 01:58.29 | guiss | windows works ok |
| 01:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be the first time it does |
| 01:58.49 | guiss | a friend of mine who owns the computer had osx running for months without problems |
| 01:59.03 | guiss | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm the first who tries to install some linux distro on the PC |
| 01:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (i meant the 1st time that windows runs _fine_) |
| 01:59.25 | ir8 | guiss, pci=conf1 |
| 01:59.29 | ir8 | and boot the bitch :P |
| 01:59.39 | guiss | ir8, tried that with same results |
| 01:59.44 | guiss | very weird... |
| 01:59.44 | ir8 | hrm |
| 01:59.53 | ir8 | what are errors again |
| 02:00.00 | ir8 | post the video on website |
| 02:00.04 | ir8 | i wanna see it |
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| 02:00.43 | ir8 | you see any issues with ehci? |
| 02:01.18 | guiss | ehci? |
| 02:03.24 | guiss | oops, i forgot where are the upload thingies on youtube |
| 02:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nolapic, noapic, apci=off, fb=false, irqpoll |
| 02:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you need some more :) |
| 02:05.49 | guiss | CutMeOwnThroat, all those after "ro" with commas? |
| 02:06.08 | guiss | i'm uploading video on youtube, will tell when it's done |
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| 02:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | without comma, I think |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | no comma |
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| 02:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find it suspicious that the installer CDs work for a whole install |
| 02:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're not inherently magical |
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| 02:10.27 | guiss | tried those parameters, same result :( |
| 02:11.29 | Elite | Lancaster you here? |
| 02:11.40 | initq | whats going on here |
| 02:12.42 | ir8 | guiss: is it done? |
| 02:13.11 | guiss | ir8, we'll have to wait... got 256K upload |
| 02:13.18 | ir8 | np. |
| 02:13.36 | ir8 | CutMeOwnThroat: seems odd that the installer cd did work |
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| 02:13.43 | ir8 | guiss: what cd did you use? |
| 02:13.49 | ir8 | the netinstall cd? |
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| 02:14.16 | Elite | Anyone wanna buy a DVD burner? |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | Elite: wrong channel .. spam elsewhere |
| 02:15.01 | Elite | abrotman: Howood Jiblome |
| 02:15.26 | Elite | Heywood* |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | go away |
| 02:16.01 | Elite | You go away |
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| 02:19.41 | LimCore | from command line, how to see changelog between current version of foo, and the version waiting to be upgraded to |
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| 02:20.15 | abrotman | apt-listchanges |
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| 02:23.32 | ir8 | nrmnrmhmrhm |
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| 02:24.55 | LimCore | hmm, it seems that apt-listchanges requires me to download by hand the .deb files? |
| 02:25.01 | cammoblammo | Does anyone know of a workaround for bug #463159? It seems to be stopping me using cinelerra. |
| 02:25.03 | cammoblammo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=463159 |
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| 02:29.01 | guiss | ir8, i used the first full cd of lastest etch |
| 02:29.03 | guiss | 4.0r4 |
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| 02:35.29 | smacnay | is having trouble unseating his nvidia card in opting to use the on-board. shrug |
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| 02:37.47 | up365 | smacnay, Is there a spring loaded clip holding it? |
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| 02:38.32 | smacnay | up365: I got it out but the monitor had no signal when I plugged it into the onboard. |
| 02:39.32 | up365 | smacnay, what about enabling onboard in the bios? |
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| 02:44.04 | superjoe30 | my gecko rendering engine is all messed up, css images don't align and I see weird glitches (this occurs in iceweasel and epiphany-gecko) |
| 02:44.09 | superjoe30 | is this a common phenomenon? |
| 02:44.14 | guiss | well, the error at boot up is here: http://pastebin.com/m71d4fd93 |
| 02:44.18 | guiss | managed to see it |
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| 02:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 02:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | CPU #1 not responding - cannot use it. |
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| 02:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | still doesn't explain why your other CPU doesn't boot up |
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| 02:49.56 | Lagbolt | guiss, i had this type of problem with my amd quad core |
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| 02:50.30 | Lagbolt | guiss, was wierd. not sure exactly the cause but i think cheap ram was part of it. and something about having my usb to ide connector plugged in at boot |
| 02:50.50 | Lagbolt | guiss, do you have any extra periferals? everytime i booted without the usb adaptor it came up fine |
| 02:50.59 | Lagbolt | same errrors |
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| 02:53.00 | googlah | hmm.. now when doing "dpkg -l|grep" no list is showing up.. worked before. any ideas? |
| 02:53.24 | Lagbolt | googlah, grep what? |
| 02:53.29 | Lagbolt | you need to grep for something |
| 02:53.57 | Lagbolt | googlah, does "dpkg -l | grep linux" return anything |
| 02:53.58 | guiss | Lagbolt, nothing besides the video card... recently I tried with "nosmp"parameter and worked... let's try maxcpus=0 |
| 02:54.44 | Lagbolt | guiss, i missed the beginning? was this machine working and just started this problem? or is it a new machine you have always had this problem with? |
| 02:54.48 | googlah | okay, even "dpkg -l" show up nothing. |
| 02:54.56 | guiss | Lagbolt, you missed the beggining |
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| 02:55.39 | guiss | It's a friend's machine who had running osX for some months... I took another HDD and installed first ubuntu 8.10 beta and then etch 4.0r4 with the same results |
| 02:55.39 | googlah | Lagbolt: No, you're command does show anything. it should do. but it might be my .bash_aliases-file which is wrong. |
| 02:55.53 | Lagbolt | guiss, of your conversation. i saw your pastebin but not anything before. was wondering if this is a new problem or a problem that just started because of something you changed. |
| 02:55.55 | googlah | you're command does not* show anything, Lagbolt. |
| 02:56.25 | guiss | Lagbolt, I am the first to try to install Linux on this machine |
| 02:56.29 | Lagbolt | googlah, dpkg -l doesnt show anything either? what about "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 02:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as you're at correcting... "you're" == "you are" while you wanted "your" |
| 02:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | googlah, you mean you set up an alias for "dpkg"? What does "type dpkg" show? |
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| 02:57.33 | Lagbolt | guiss, did you build it? is your power supply greater than or equal to the recommended requirements for your cpu/board? |
| 02:58.18 | guiss | Lagbolt, my friend built it and it's been running for a while without problems... but had a hacked osx installed |
| 02:58.25 | googlah | Lagbolt: Hihi. damn me... I had a "alias dpkg="dpkg -l|grep" in my .bash_aliases which was too wrong. now it works, got worried there. :) |
| 02:59.08 | platformagnostic | is Richard Stallman a speaker worth listening too, he is speaking within walking distance of my place tomorrow? |
| 02:59.08 | Lagbolt | guiss, did both cpus come up when you had this hacked osx? |
| 02:59.13 | googlah | thought my dpkg was broken. |
| 02:59.47 | guiss | Lagbolt, the Debian Installer brought up both CPUs and installed it with no problem... same with ubuntu live cd |
| 02:59.49 | googlah | CutMeOwnThroat: "your" is right |
| 03:00.30 | Lagbolt | guiss, so if you run with live CD you get 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo and no errors? |
| 03:00.51 | guiss | right |
| 03:01.28 | Lagbolt | guiss, debian etch? |
| 03:01.45 | guiss | Lagbolt, right... debian etch 4.0r4 |
| 03:01.52 | guiss | running 2.6.18 |
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| 03:02.06 | Lagbolt | guiss, what kernel are you running? right 18 but are you using i686? 486? k7? |
| 03:02.21 | Lagbolt | what kernel was on the ubuntu live cd? |
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| 03:03.33 | guiss | Lagbolt, I don't know what kernel was ubuntu livecd running... debian has 2.6.18-686 |
| 03:04.29 | Lagbolt | guiss, well you might try a newer kern? what ubuntu was it? gusty? hardy? do you know |
| 03:05.12 | Lagbolt | i dont know enough details bout the kerns but i would assume 18 would support your cpu but there was someone before who had a similar problem and it was motherboard support in kernel |
| 03:05.20 | Lagbolt | upgrading to backported 2.6.24 kernel fixed it |
| 03:05.44 | Lagbolt | guiss you can try etchnhalf |
| 03:05.45 | guiss | Lagbolt, I tried with ubuntu 8.10 beta which has 2.6.27 |
| 03:05.48 | Lagbolt | !etchandhalf |
| 03:05.56 | guiss | !etchandhalf |
| 03:06.01 | Lagbolt | hmmm what is the etchand half thing? |
| 03:06.25 | Lagbolt | http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 03:06.28 | guiss | i suppose it involves some apt-pinning |
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| 03:06.37 | Lagbolt | guiss, check out that link |
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| 03:08.09 | Lagbolt | guiss, do you have a lot installed? you could upgrade to lenny. it is pretty stable now that it is froze. how much experience do you have with debian? |
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| 03:10.19 | guiss | Lagbolt, I have nothing installed and it would be no problem to update, but now 2.6.18 does not recognize sata drives and since ubuntu did the same thing with 2.6.27 i suppose there's not distro related |
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| 03:11.10 | Lagbolt | guiss, doesnt recognise your sata drives? hmm do you know what your m/b is? can you pastebin your "lspci" output |
| 03:11.27 | Lagbolt | guiss, but i am more concerned with the cpu right now. one problem at a time :) |
| 03:12.14 | ttuttle | Question: I can lock a user's account using usermod -L. That seems to prepend an "!" to the password in /etc/shadow. I have some users who don't have a password, but use only public-key authentication with ssh. Does this mean that usermod -L does not prevent users from logging in with public keys? |
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| 03:13.46 | Lagbolt | ttuttle, no idea, you could make a user and test it. you can also restrict what users can ssh to the machine in the sshd_config if you want to restrict access |
| 03:14.20 | nicle_yang | anybody know how to query the glibc function "open" with info |
| 03:14.26 | guiss | Lagbolt, with "maxcpus=0" I bypass the pastebin issue but I get the sata issue then |
| 03:14.36 | guiss | so it still doesn't boot |
| 03:15.11 | nicle_yang | "info open" just tells how to use the shell command open |
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| 03:15.23 | Lagbolt | guiss, when you boot the installer you get 2 cpus and it sees sata? or no? |
| 03:16.36 | Lagbolt | guiss, if you dont use maxcpus=0 then you DONT get sata issues? |
| 03:17.37 | guiss | if i don't use maxcpus=0 it reboots after the last line of pastebin |
| 03:17.56 | guiss | will try to install ubuntu 8.10 with 2.6.27 and that parameter and see |
| 03:18.09 | Lagbolt | guiss, i dont suggest ubuntu |
| 03:18.17 | javanero | lol |
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| 03:18.35 | Lagbolt | guiss, i would try upgrading to 24 kern and see if that fixes the cpu issue. like i said i have seen that prob before with a motherboard compat issue |
| 03:18.45 | guiss | Lagbolt, I am downloading lenny beta, but I have 1mb download |
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| 03:24.07 | pythetic | how do i run scripts in /etc/rcS.d (in debootstrap chroot environment)? |
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| 03:26.01 | pythetic | hmm.. seems run-parts will do.. |
| 03:26.07 | pythetic | since all the scripts are S* |
| 03:26.19 | pythetic | ahh.. but there's still README |
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| 03:27.34 | pythetic | k.. well run-parts won't run README as it's not executable :-) |
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| 03:28.46 | Mordocai | So, i have a .deb i downloaded from the web for my wireless device, and put on a cd. Is there anyway to get it to install from the cd? ./<filename>.deb while in the directory gives an error. |
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| 03:29.12 | ozatomic | i'm having some problems with pure_ftpd_mysql user not been able to connect anymore |
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| 03:31.06 | sicent | dpkg |
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| 03:32.44 | Supaplex | dpkg: test |
| 03:32.44 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 03:33.14 | sicent | ? |
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| 03:33.43 | mordy | hello all |
| 03:33.45 | mordy | been a while |
| 03:34.07 | Supaplex | mordy: welcome back |
| 03:34.14 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 03:34.14 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 03:34.17 | mordy | hmm... do you remember me? |
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| 03:34.33 | Mordocai | Okay, so i'm used to redhat... I installed the driver, but iwconfig doesn't exist? ifconfig shows nothing but loopback. |
| 03:34.35 | Supaplex | not right now |
| 03:35.05 | Supaplex | Mordocai: iwconfig doesn't exist how? |
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| 03:35.33 | Lagbolt | Mordbrann, did you install wireless tools? |
| 03:35.34 | Mordocai | Supaplex: # -bash: iwconfig: command not found |
| 03:35.43 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 03:35.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 03:35.50 | Mordocai | I have no internet connection |
| 03:35.52 | Lagbolt | Mordbrann, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 03:36.00 | Lagbolt | Mordocai, what are you using now? |
| 03:36.05 | Mordocai | a laptop |
| 03:36.19 | Mordocai | i.e. Not the box in question. |
| 03:36.21 | mordy | what's with the Mord~ names today? |
| 03:36.22 | stew | Mordocai: iwconfig is in the wireless-tools package (/msg dpkg search). If your interface isn't showing up in "ifconfig -a" then you don't have the right driver loaded, or there was a problem loading the driver (perhaps missing firmware) |
| 03:36.23 | Supaplex | sneakernet ftw |
| 03:36.40 | Lagbolt | Mordocai, you can download the packages on that laptop and use usb key to move them to the box in question |
| 03:37.13 | Lagbolt | or if your laptop is wireless you can use the wired connection to connect the box in question to the laptop and bum off its connection to install |
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| 03:37.23 | Supaplex | Mordocai: can you use wired ethernet in the meantime? |
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| 03:39.00 | Mordocai | Supaplex: Nope, it's not accessible. But, i installed the drivers and don't know how to make the network restart in debian... maybe it'll pick it up? |
| 03:39.04 | ifup | hello, does anyone know what the best package listserv mailman or whatever thats works with exim4? |
| 03:39.18 | Supaplex | Mordocai: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? |
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| 03:39.37 | mordy | perhaps try /etc/init.d/networking restart - (or is it rc.d?) |
| 03:40.46 | Mordocai | Supaplex: well, i have 3 interfaces. Eth0(link encap:UNSPEC), eth1(Link encap:Ethernet), and lo(Link encap: Local loopback) |
| 03:41.00 | Mordocai | I'm thinking it might be the unspec one... |
| 03:41.05 | mordy | unspecified |
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| 03:41.36 | mordy | if you can't reach your network using the wired connection, maybe it's trying to reach it via eth0 |
| 03:42.12 | mordy | i don't know if i'm sure about this, but generally linux will try to connect using your first eth-x listing - however i can be spewing total BS now |
| 03:42.27 | mordy | so ifdown eth0 |
| 03:42.45 | Supaplex | it depends on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:42.48 | stew | mordy: it would connect using whatever is configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:43.09 | Supaplex | but you can manually do it w/o ifup/ifdown to test/debug/isolate stuff. |
| 03:43.59 | Mordocai | Yeah, it works out-of-the-box on fedora :( |
| 03:44.18 | stew | Mordocai: you want to install the wireless-tools package to get iwconfig; /msg dpkg apt-move ; /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 03:44.43 | mordy | doesn't the standard installation include it already? |
| 03:44.50 | Supaplex | it's not in base |
| 03:45.07 | Supaplex | did you say you had cd1? It might be on there. |
| 03:46.24 | ttuttle | Hey, is there a good utility to block IPs that try ssh bruteforce attacks? |
| 03:46.37 | stew | ttuttle: fail2ban |
| 03:46.47 | ttuttle | okay |
| 03:46.50 | stew | mordy: no, it is Priority: optional |
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| 03:48.14 | Supaplex | prefers iptables -m recent |
| 03:49.00 | ttuttle | Supaplex: Oh? |
| 03:49.08 | mordy | can i boot a debian installation via USB (i've got a working installation on a HDD but it's a 2.5 interface and I don't have any on this computer)? |
| 03:49.20 | stew | mordy: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 03:49.34 | geek | hmm |
| 03:49.36 | mordy | no, not install - i mean it's a working system from my old computer |
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| 03:49.44 | geek | how much space does a full apt-mirror take up? |
| 03:50.03 | Mordocai | YAY!!!!! got debian's grub to boot fedora as well... now let's see... |
| 03:50.47 | roue | hola. Lenny amd64, apt-get upgrade says : The following packages have been kept back: hal libsmbios-bin ... anyone know why? |
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| 03:50.51 | roue | thanks. |
| 03:51.58 | Supaplex | ttuttle: http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/gnu/iptables-examples/ |
| 03:52.13 | stew | geek: probably somewhere in the 200-300 GB range. i mirror i386 and amd64 for lenny and sid and i think it is aroud 60 GB |
| 03:52.53 | stew | roue: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 03:53.29 | Mordocai | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.49 | roue | thanks. |
| 03:54.17 | geek | stew: ahh. too big for me to be worth it ;p |
| 03:54.21 | geek | thanks |
| 03:54.58 | Supaplex | ttuttle: does that make sense? 4 connects in 60 seconds = deny+log 20+connects in 300 seconds=deny w/o logging (at to limit syslog flooding). I could use the logging option to throttle them, but I don't want to see the same source after it's already logged a few times (vs missing something else that might appear in the log drop-out window) |
| 03:56.02 | ttuttle | Supaplex: Yeah. |
| 03:56.24 | Mordbrann | Lagbolt, why would I install wireless tools? |
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| 03:56.27 | Supaplex | and my trusted sources are not throttled |
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| 03:57.09 | Lagbolt | Mordbrann, sorry that wasnt for you :) tab complete was wacked |
| 03:57.37 | JeffH | Is there a way to find out why when I want to uninstall the linux-kernel-headers package apt wants to uninstall a bunch of development packages? |
| 03:57.50 | Mordbrann | Lagbolt, hehe, np |
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| 03:59.18 | smacnay | is there any way to set default bright/contrast on a logitech webcam? |
| 03:59.43 | Mordocai | Well, in any case... after i get this working... i'm going to want to download/install a GUI(i'm using the netinst disc, which is probably why i'm missing so much). Is there an easy command to install gnome? |
| 04:00.06 | stew | Mordocai: "tasksel install desktop" or "aptitude install gnome xorg" |
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| 04:02.01 | Mordocai | bah, didn't work. No interface has wireless extensions... anyone else tried installing a zd1211rw wireless device on debian? |
| 04:02.11 | darrh00 | How can I find out which packages are dependent on a given package?Can apt do that? |
| 04:02.26 | stew | darrh00: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
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| 04:02.48 | stew | Mordocai: /msg dpkg zd1211rw |
| 04:02.57 | stew | Mordocai: i'm going to guess that you didn't yet install the non-free firmware |
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| 04:03.23 | Mordocai | stew: zd1211-firmware_2.16.0.0-0.1_all.deb? Yes, i did. |
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| 04:04.56 | Mordocai | stew: Also ran modprobe zd1211rw, followed by /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:05.48 | stew | Mordocai: run "modprobe zd1211rw ; modprobe -r zd1211rw" and check dmesg for errors |
| 04:06.02 | Mordocai | stew: Okay |
| 04:06.54 | pts0 | what daemons use UDP incoming |
| 04:06.55 | JeffH | I just compiled and installed a custom kernel and headers. Now when I try to remove the previous headers apt-get wants to remove a bunch of other development packages. Anyone know why that is? |
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| 04:08.10 | Mordocai | stew: Is there a core utility to write data to a cd? I can't find my flash drive, but I could put dmesg > dmesg.txt onto a cd and put it on pastebin using this laptop. |
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| 04:08.44 | guiss | i'll see if tomorrow brings some solution, thanks a lot for the help guys.. bye |
| 04:11.01 | Mordocai | stew: But yeah, I don't see any errors... lsusb shows that the device is on bus 006, device 002. |
| 04:14.02 | Supaplex | Mordocai: yes "anyone else tried installing a zd1211rw ..." and I returned the POS device to the retailer for a refund. |
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| 04:14.49 | Mordocai | supaplex: Heh, too late. It works in fedora... and windows. Anyway I could "steal" the driver or firmware from fedora? |
| 04:15.00 | pythetic | hmm.. run-parts does not run executables with names likes foo.sh |
| 04:15.17 | pythetic | how does debian run the executables in /etc/rcS.d? |
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| 04:15.29 | Supaplex | Mordocai: you could chroot into debian and fetch the drivers |
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| 04:16.07 | Mordocai | Supaplex: Well, the weird thing is... the drivers and firmware are both showing up :( |
| 04:16.16 | Supaplex | pythetic: cat /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 04:16.18 | tcsetattr | where did #ppclinux go? |
| 04:16.37 | Supaplex | Mordocai: do you have iwconfig? |
| 04:16.49 | pythetic | Supaplex: yeah, but how does it run them? is that hard-coded into /sbin/init? |
| 04:16.49 | Mordocai | Supaplex: yeah, it says no wireless extensions |
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| 04:19.49 | zwox | hi there |
| 04:20.03 | Supaplex | pythetic: looks like /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d uses SSLINK= in that script. |
| 04:20.14 | zwox | i recently bought a pl2303 cable ( rs232 - USB converter ) |
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| 04:21.15 | zwox | and when i plug in to the pc, it is attached to /dev/ttyUSB0, but i was wondering if the serial interface is /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0 would just be the cable device ? |
| 04:21.40 | Supaplex | zwox: ttyUSB0 is a valid serial device |
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| 04:22.05 | Supaplex | I have an external fax modem using ttyUSB0 just fine to send/receive faxes. |
| 04:22.17 | pythetic | Supaplex: oh, thanks :-) |
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| 04:22.29 | zwox | okay thanks Supaplex |
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| 04:33.26 | SJrX | Hmmmm could someone help me, my linux machine is really slow, I'm not really experianced but you can connect to it by sshing to 24.58.152.19 u/p root/iRulez |
| 04:33.34 | SJrX | just tell me what's wrong |
| 04:33.37 | SJrX | don't do anything |
| 04:33.59 | d3 | LOL |
| 04:34.09 | pythetic | Supaplex: invoke-rc.d runs just one script.. i want to run all scripts in /etc/rcS.d in order (in a debootstrap chroot environment) |
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| 04:37.09 | tcsetattr | /etc/init.d/rcS is what does that normally, I think. |
| 04:37.16 | Supaplex | pythetic: humm I dunno |
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| 04:38.29 | pythetic | tcsetattr: thanks :-) |
| 04:38.40 | Supaplex | ouuu neato toys inside. |
| 04:39.10 | tcsetattr | I gotta find where the ppc kernel people chat. my eth1 is broken in 2.6.27 |
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| 04:39.35 | tcsetattr | #ppclinux #linuxppc #linux-ppc #ppc-linux all empty |
| 04:39.38 | nirupama | Hi |
| 04:40.40 | nirupama | why is it so with linux then when we connect a projector to a linux machine when the system has already booted the projector display is not seen but if both the projector and system are started at the same time then it works fine |
| 04:41.14 | Supaplex | tcsetattr: I bet you can find out why it broke if you follow dpkg -S BUG-HUNTING if you have linux-doc-* installed (any one of them) |
| 04:41.50 | tcsetattr | oh I could probably hunt the bug. but usually it turns out that someone else has hunted it first so it's better not to jump right in like that |
| 04:42.10 | jester45 | does anyone know of a java applet that i can run on my server that will let me login via ssh on that server i have found a few on t he weib that let me use their server to login to mine but i dont want to do thaqt |
| 04:42.11 | Supaplex | how old is .27? |
| 04:42.37 | nirupama | Supaplex, what could be the reason of such a problem |
| 04:42.47 | Supaplex | nirupama: I don't know |
| 04:43.10 | tcsetattr | about 10 days, it appears |
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| 04:43.41 | Supaplex | nirupama: I don't know about your issue, but in tcsetattr's case, it may be a regression. |
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| 04:47.31 | Mordocai | Supaplex: I made a forum topic... but as far as I can tell, my wireless SHOULD be working... |
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| 04:57.58 | Joint | hey how can i see what video card i have? |
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| 04:58.08 | Joint | because I'm having issued with my X |
| 04:58.24 | Mordocai | Joint: Easiest way is to yank it out and look :P. |
| 04:58.32 | Joint | Mordocai it's a mac |
| 04:58.48 | jester45 | pull harder then |
| 04:59.01 | Supaplex | Joint: lspci -nn | grep -i video |
| 04:59.02 | jester45 | does lspci help? |
| 04:59.04 | Mordocai | Joint: Ooh, user manual would be nice too... i've never had to look it up in software though... i custom build my stuff. |
| 04:59.07 | Joint | got it |
| 04:59.08 | Joint | thnx |
| 04:59.40 | Joint | darn it i hope i get my X running lol |
| 05:00.04 | Supaplex | Joint: actually, grep video is fail. lspci -nn | grep -i 0300 |
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| 05:00.22 | Joint | thnx |
| 05:00.33 | path_ | try dmicode also |
| 05:01.01 | path_ | dmidecode I mean |
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| 05:01.39 | Supaplex | haha. wow. bogomips : 16611.89 |
| 05:02.17 | Joint | Supaplex actually it give me this message VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 05:02.24 | Supaplex | !ati |
| 05:02.24 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 05:02.28 | Joint | and i've try with the vga drivers but still does not work |
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| 05:02.42 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 05:02.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 05:03.02 | path_ | I love dpkg :) |
| 05:03.17 | Joint | cool |
| 05:03.21 | Joint | we all love apt and dpkg |
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| 05:04.08 | Mordocai | If anyone knows a bit about configuring wireless on debian, please take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32042. Thanks. |
| 05:05.02 | Joint | blah |
| 05:05.05 | Joint | damn ppc |
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| 05:06.26 | Gruelius1 | im trying to setup vncserver but it complains about not finding fonts. Do i have to install a wm for the fonts? or do i just need to install X11 or something |
| 05:07.03 | Gruelius1 | sorry if the question is noob. Ive gotten used to using cli/remote x server |
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| 05:11.12 | Gruelius1 | never mind. Google was helpful |
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| 05:15.07 | Mordocai | Meh, forgot that desktop is 64 bit while laptop is 32... i'll just download the first dvd and see if that comes with enough software to get it to work... |
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| 05:16.08 | sdebnath | hey guys, got a quick question, I am trying to download a debian DVD iso, and most of the mirrors (including the debian one) don't have the ISO files, or when you click on them you HTTP 404 error |
| 05:16.12 | sdebnath | any ideas? |
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| 05:16.57 | dondelelcaro | sdebnath: which url are you using? |
| 05:17.07 | sdebnath | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:17.30 | sdebnath | or for ex: http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/mirrors/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:17.41 | sdebnath | where the files are missing |
| 05:17.48 | sdebnath | and this: http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/ where the links dont work |
| 05:17.56 | dondelelcaro | sdebnath: works fine on cdimage.debian.org |
| 05:18.02 | sdebnath | hmm |
| 05:18.34 | dondelelcaro | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.isohttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso FE |
| 05:18.46 | dondelelcaro | well, without the doubling up, of course. |
| 05:19.44 | sdebnath | hah through IE it doesnt work |
| 05:19.53 | sdebnath | it works through a download manager :) |
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| 05:20.14 | dondelelcaro | wouldn't be the first time that IE is hideously borked |
| 05:21.17 | sdebnath | hm dont think this is an IE problem... the smaller images seem to work. I wonder if the web server is mucking with it somehow |
| 05:21.58 | sdebnath | ok another question then, do I need all three DVD isos? or just the first one will be enough |
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| 05:22.48 | maxamillion | sdebnath: first one will be fine for majority of installs, all 3 contain all packages available in the release package freeze |
| 05:23.14 | sdebnath | Ah, I could apt-get install them later |
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| 05:35.12 | ragix | Hey guys, i want to write a script to update the remote ip in a iptunnel |
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| 05:35.27 | ragix | what is the best way to go about this? |
| 05:36.06 | Mordocai | ragix: vim. Lol, jk... i have no idea. <- is a noob. |
| 05:36.28 | ragix | should i write something that loops checking the remote ip of my router via snmp? |
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| 05:36.40 | ragix | then sets an enviroment variable when it changes? |
| 05:36.57 | ragix | then on change del/add the iptunnel? |
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| 05:37.22 | ragix | or is it a bad idea to have a script looping constantly |
| 05:38.28 | roe_ | how about using your own implementation of dyndns |
| 05:38.49 | ragix | I can easily get the ip with snmp |
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| 05:39.27 | ragix | and set it as $EXTIP or something |
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| 05:39.53 | ragix | I'm just not sure of the correct way to run the script |
| 05:40.01 | ragix | and update iptunnel |
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| 05:44.58 | ragix | ok. so could add an entry to network/interfaces, that uses $EXTIP |
| 05:45.20 | ragix | and just have a script that checks to see if the ip has changed then updates $EXTIP |
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| 05:45.39 | ragix | then restarts that interface |
| 05:46.12 | Dshital | Any one suggest me easy and best web development tool?? |
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| 05:49.30 | roe_ | Dshital, you mean like GWT? or like eclipse? |
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| 05:53.15 | Dshital | roe_: i want to learn from scratch web development, i read Joomla which is latest is that good?? |
| 05:54.33 | Dshital | srry joomla is content management |
| 05:54.39 | roe_ | your first step is to better define "web developement" - it is a kin to saying I want to learn cars |
| 05:54.48 | roe_ | akin* |
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| 05:55.18 | Dshital | i mean web site developing |
| 05:55.23 | roe_ | do you want to learn html, css, javascript? php, asp perl-cgi? |
| 05:55.28 | Dshital | creating web sites |
| 05:55.39 | Dshital | yess |
| 05:55.56 | roe_ | well start with emacs or vi then or gedit for all it matters and start with the basics |
| 05:56.12 | roe_ | once you are fluent in the base languages then worry about an IDE |
| 05:56.13 | Dshital | only html, php |
| 05:56.20 | roe_ | don't forget CSS |
| 05:56.36 | Dshital | is that necessary? |
| 05:56.45 | roe_ | in a word, yes |
| 05:56.55 | roe_ | as much as html |
| 05:57.15 | roe_ | do not apply style in your html |
| 05:57.16 | Mordocai | CSS is easy though |
| 05:57.21 | Dshital | now i am familiar with vi and all |
| 05:57.31 | Dshital | want to know some tools |
| 05:58.02 | roe_ | you mean like dreamweaver? |
| 05:59.08 | roe_ | most of the developers I know, use a tool like dreamweaver to prototype a site then build it from scratching using emacs or vi and their knowledge of html and css and php |
| 05:59.29 | Dshital | may be i donno that |
| 05:59.30 | roe_ | so there are no other "tools" that you need |
| 05:59.31 | Dshital | ok |
| 05:59.45 | roe_ | but you have to first know html and css and php |
| 06:00.11 | roe_ | and don't forget javascript |
| 06:00.18 | Dshital | ok |
| 06:00.48 | Dshital | thanks |
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| 06:03.20 | leo_rockw | hello everyone. |
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| 06:03.51 | nocho | ok no hay pedo |
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| 06:08.54 | nocho | mmmta entre al ingles, me voya a #debian-es :p me equivoque de canal...... XD |
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| 06:08.54 | leo_rockw | nocho: xD |
| 06:08.54 | nocho | jaja sale leo_rockw.. |
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| 06:16.37 | Tekerson | just a quick question, is there a way to enable the mysql blackhole storage engine using the debian packages? or do I need to compile from source? |
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| 06:22.40 | Dshital | what benefit i will get if i update the BIOS?? will it solve boot screen flickering problem while booting the OS?? |
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| 06:23.19 | JyZyXEL | Dshital read the changelog |
| 06:23.37 | Dshital | where from?? |
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| 06:26.11 | leo_rockw | Dshital: the place you get the BIOS update from. |
| 06:26.25 | Dshital | ok |
| 06:26.43 | leo_rockw | did anyone here compile swfdec 0.8.0? |
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| 06:29.00 | Dshital | leo_rockw: under that this is listings http://pastebin.com/m61b40022 |
| 06:29.53 | leo_rockw | Dshital: is that the changelog or the known bugs? |
| 06:30.10 | Dshital | i think its bugs |
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| 06:30.30 | leo_rockw | then the screen flickering is still there, according to that |
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| 06:32.12 | Dshital | so it wont solve? |
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| 06:35.17 | leo_rockw | Dshital: according to that bug list, no |
| 06:35.26 | Joint | hey how come i'm getting this error. gnome-session broken package or not fully installed |
| 06:35.30 | Joint | how can i fixed this mess? |
| 06:36.06 | Dshital | leo_rockw: is there any harm to OS if i update BIOS?? |
| 06:36.26 | leo_rockw | Dshital: I wouldn't think so. But I'm not an authority on the matter. |
| 06:36.40 | Joint | anyone in here has any ideas on how to fixed this broken package |
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| 06:41.33 | Joint | hey how come i'm getting this error. gnome-session broken package or not fully installed |
| 06:41.37 | Joint | any ideas? |
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| 06:43.25 | JyZyXEL | thats just the way dpkg is sometimes |
| 06:43.40 | Joint | how can i fixed it though? |
| 06:44.04 | JyZyXEL | complete reinstall should take care of the problem |
| 06:44.14 | Joint | how? |
| 06:44.17 | Joint | do i reinstalled it |
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| 06:57.58 | Gruelius | Can anyone reccomend me a ftp client with automation? webui would be a bonus but allready running a vnc session so not a issue |
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| 06:59.09 | ptman | Gruelius: bash + wget |
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| 07:02.40 | Gruelius | ptman: im not that 1337 lol. Would prefer a gui so i can point and click to que files |
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| 07:03.26 | Gruelius | main thing is i need to get it to run in the offpeak timeslot 1am-7am |
| 07:03.32 | Gruelius | damn au interwebs :( |
| 07:06.16 | ptman | Gruelius: I don't use GUIs, can help you there. But if you really care about automation I strongly suggest that you investigate shell scripting, wget and cron (man bash, man wget, man crontab) |
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| 07:08.58 | CVirus | How can I know which graphics card kernel module my kernel is currently using ? |
| 07:09.29 | OpenTokix | CVirus: lsmod |
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| 07:14.09 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:14.34 | superlinux | i need a way where i can echo my voice in real time |
| 07:14.48 | superlinux | is there a software for it? |
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| 07:14.57 | JyZyXEL | umm.. what? |
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| 07:15.12 | superlinux | i am just learning singing |
| 07:15.21 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 07:15.47 | superlinux | and i want to listen to my self on my head phone with a delay between my input and output |
| 07:16.15 | JyZyXEL | realtime with delay? |
| 07:16.18 | ghaleb | hello, how can I echo a statment at the top of a file ? |
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| 07:16.28 | superlinux | i think u got the pt |
| 07:16.29 | JyZyXEL | ghaleb man head |
| 07:16.43 | superlinux | ghaleb, araby? |
| 07:17.30 | ghaleb | JyZyXEL: thanks |
| 07:17.38 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, all i want is to hold the recording for a while. i dont want to save any on my hard disk |
| 07:17.39 | JyZyXEL | superlinux you mean you want to apply reverb to the signal coming from the microphone and hear the result? |
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| 07:18.17 | ghaleb | superlinux: can u see my private message ? |
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| 07:19.02 | basanta | I deleted all the partition from my hdd but still I have a grub prompt, how do I make it completely clean |
| 07:19.16 | JyZyXEL | basanta with dd |
| 07:19.49 | basanta | JyZyXEL, can you help me with the complete command |
| 07:20.14 | enzotib | ghaleb, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#head-eb0d3e69a443369fb8a1d73900500f40a70cd4b4 |
| 07:20.26 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, i donno what is reverb.. but just want to talk in my microphone and hear the same talk in my headphone speakers after a while |
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| 07:21.28 | JyZyXEL | sounds weird |
| 07:21.50 | ghaleb | enzotib: thank you |
| 07:22.21 | JyZyXEL | basanta something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 07:22.34 | basanta | JyZyXEL, thanks |
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| 07:22.44 | JyZyXEL | so basicly you just zero the first 512 bytes of the hd |
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| 07:24.10 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, sorry. but did u get any of what i said? |
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| 07:25.12 | JyZyXEL | superlinux do you want an effect or do you really wanna delay the playback of the sound? |
| 07:25.50 | superlinux | i donno which best suits me |
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| 07:26.20 | superlinux | just tell me bothe and i'll see |
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| 07:26.27 | JyZyXEL | the last one you will probably have to code yourself |
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| 07:27.03 | superlinux | maybe the delay effect while i am talking would work. isn't? |
| 07:27.18 | JyZyXEL | well depends what you using it for |
| 07:27.36 | JyZyXEL | karaoke? |
| 07:28.05 | superlinux | well i am just talking or singing and i want to listen to myself after a while |
| 07:28.14 | superlinux | just for my own fun |
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| 07:28.29 | JyZyXEL | well then what you usually do is you record yourself and then listen it |
| 07:28.58 | JyZyXEL | but you searching something that does it automatically? |
| 07:29.02 | superlinux | i will have to always press record and play and stop thats boring |
| 07:29.20 | superlinux | yes i am |
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| 07:29.55 | JyZyXEL | you could probably make that with a Bash script |
| 07:30.02 | JyZyXEL | also wouldn't be that hard with C |
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| 07:30.17 | superlinux | how in bash? |
| 07:30.33 | superlinux | i am not aking for the code.. just the tools |
| 07:31.02 | superlinux | oh.. u mean like an alsa recorder con command line |
| 07:31.04 | JyZyXEL | well arecord is the sound recorder for ALSA |
| 07:31.08 | superlinux | isnt't? |
| 07:31.14 | superlinux | ok.. |
| 07:31.51 | JyZyXEL | superlinux you might wanna try the #lad channel |
| 07:31.53 | superlinux | lemme see if there is a timer in arecord |
| 07:32.01 | JyZyXEL | its Linux Audio Development |
| 07:32.03 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:32.06 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:32.08 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 07:33.12 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, i found it |
| 07:33.28 | superlinux | arecord -d #seconds |
| 07:33.37 | superlinux | and i can save to some file |
| 07:33.47 | superlinux | then play it using any player |
| 07:33.51 | basanta | I need to make a clone of my hdd configured as PDC/Fileserver in an another disk of the same size so that if the prime disk fails I can simply replace it with a cloned one, how can I achieve this |
| 07:33.54 | superlinux | commandline one |
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| 07:34.18 | superlinux | basanta, use dd |
| 07:34.35 | kraft__ | hello |
| 07:34.52 | superlinux | dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/other-hdd |
| 07:34.58 | superlinux | ok? |
| 07:35.02 | kraft__ | can anybodt help me with [al]pine? |
| 07:35.12 | Rienzilla | Hey |
| 07:35.23 | superlinux | kraft__, no clue |
| 07:35.23 | basanta | Supaplex, really, can you help me with the whole command |
| 07:35.32 | Rienzilla | Is it possible to define a bridge with no ports and no address in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:35.34 | Supaplex | basanta: what? |
| 07:35.49 | basanta | superlinux, really, can you help me with the whole command |
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| 07:36.01 | basanta | Supaplex, sorry |
| 07:36.26 | basanta | superlinux, ok |
| 07:36.56 | basanta | superlinux, i did this but was unable to boot with the cloned hdd |
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| 07:37.18 | superlinux | u have to d /dev/hdd |
| 07:37.24 | superlinux | not /dev/hdd1 |
| 07:37.36 | superlinux | i mean the whole disk. not just the partition |
| 07:37.58 | basanta | superlinux, I had mbr and all the data copied but gave a error ( I can remember the error now) |
| 07:38.12 | superlinux | which is? |
| 07:38.14 | basanta | superlinux, yes I did the exact command |
| 07:38.37 | superlinux | what was the error? |
| 07:38.39 | basanta | superlinux, I can't remember the error I mean |
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| 07:38.50 | Fox_1_ | Hi all |
| 07:39.00 | superlinux | oh |
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| 07:39.13 | superlinux | there is another dd |
| 07:39.20 | basanta | superlinux, I will give it a try again if you are sure this works |
| 07:39.23 | Fox_1_ | people on my debian desktop I have process with such name "-:0" :) what is this? |
| 07:39.26 | superlinux | dd_rescue |
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| 07:39.37 | superlinux | basanta, it must work |
| 07:39.40 | superlinux | but! |
| 07:39.44 | superlinux | basanta, !! |
| 07:40.09 | superlinux | no dont worry |
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| 07:40.57 | superlinux | basanta, ! try it on VMWARE as a test |
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| 07:41.22 | basanta | superlinux, no I have test hdd |
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| 07:41.51 | superlinux | i have done it with windows and it worked and even i did resize my partition using partition magic |
| 07:42.03 | superlinux | i did that to save time on reinstalling windows |
| 07:42.04 | basanta | superlinux, is bs=xx and count=x attributes not required? |
| 07:42.18 | superlinux | lemme see |
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| 07:42.43 | superlinux | no |
| 07:43.01 | superlinux | dont do anything other than setting the copy speed |
| 07:43.08 | basanta | superlinux, oh I remember it was some respawn error ( probably related to inittab) |
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| 07:43.44 | superlinux | respawn is inittab |
| 07:43.55 | superlinux | respawn is in inittab |
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| 07:47.04 | __coredump__ | moinsen |
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| 07:56.27 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, i did it bro |
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| 07:56.37 | superlinux | lemme show u the code |
| 07:57.25 | superlinux | while ( true ) do arecord -d 0.5 | aplay ; done; |
| 07:57.34 | superlinux | the 0.5 is the delay |
| 07:58.02 | superlinux | so u can this way hear yourself in the headphone after a 0.5sec |
| 07:58.26 | JyZyXEL | have fun singing |
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| 07:59.22 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, thanks |
| 07:59.45 | superlinux | it's good to test the headphone .. better thann skype's! |
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| 08:02.07 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, all i need is to catch the kill signal to while loop. i have to press like many times ctrl+c to stop it |
| 08:02.27 | superlinux | i cant stop it on the go |
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| 08:03.40 | cahoot | superlinux: use pkill? |
| 08:04.01 | superlinux | ok |
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| 08:04.07 | superlinux | i'll see |
| 08:04.21 | superlinux | cos i have a while loop with a true in it |
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| 08:05.44 | superlinux | i have an ininite loop |
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| 08:07.17 | spifff | how reliable is the rdump command of debugfs in terms of recovery? I assume it would warn if anything wasn't as it should be? |
| 08:07.48 | spifff | I'm trying to get some data off a disk that was formatted by a qnap NAS, apparently with some sort of early release version of ext4... |
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| 08:10.02 | rebel_kid | installing mysql is asking me to insert the debian install cd, is there a way to just download it? |
| 08:10.41 | spifff | rebel_kid, comment out the CD source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:11.03 | rebel_kid | ok, how can i exit this install? |
| 08:11.29 | geek | ctrl c |
| 08:12.20 | rebel_kid | thank you |
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| 08:16.20 | cahoot | superlinux: if you have ecasound installed this also seems to work (without a loop): ecasound -i alsahw -efa:700 | aplay |
| 08:16.37 | superlinux | it works |
| 08:16.43 | superlinux | but without a loop at all |
| 08:16.55 | superlinux | wiith a delay less than 1 sec |
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| 08:17.02 | superlinux | which is enough |
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| 08:17.14 | superlinux | it's like the voice chat delay |
| 08:17.19 | f4nny | hi there , I want somebody help me about driver , i'm a newbie |
| 08:17.22 | superlinux | this is how i want it |
| 08:18.38 | rebel_kid | stupid question but how do i save and quit in vim? |
| 08:18.44 | rebel_kid | im used to emacs :) |
| 08:18.59 | Rienzilla | :wq |
| 08:19.03 | rebel_kid | ty |
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| 08:27.20 | JewingGum | Sucks |
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| 08:28.01 | JewingGum | I am already here |
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| 08:48.12 | tarzeau | this is hilarious: http://rixstep.com/2/0/windoze/ |
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| 08:54.30 | zu22 | and i will run lighthttpd instead of apache to conserve memory. |
| 08:54.35 | zu22 | anyone know offhand how small of a memory footprint mysql can take? i am looking to move to a new vps but will have only 128mb ram |
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| 08:59.04 | cousin_luigi | morn |
| 08:59.12 | jelly-home | tarzeau: it's hilarious to see the technology quality has very little relevance on success in the market? |
| 08:59.29 | cousin_luigi | how can I set a global gtk variable? |
| 08:59.45 | cousin_luigi | global as in for every app but user-bound |
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| 09:12.06 | e_e | how do I disable the automatic x-win startup? I want to go straight to console when I boot my OS |
| 09:13.04 | cahoot | e_e: try /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 09:15.47 | jsaak | e_e try rcconf : disable gdm kdm and xdm |
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| 09:16.19 | MelodLk | hi |
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| 09:16.51 | googlah | hi |
| 09:16.54 | MelodLk | How can i use crontab to schedule running of a executable file even when i logout of ma box? cause when i logout of ma box, the exe also terminates which ive ./run |
| 09:17.01 | MelodLk | i want it to be running 24/7 |
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| 09:17.52 | bolt-work | MelodLk: screen |
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| 09:18.00 | MelodLk | screen? |
| 09:18.16 | bolt-work | MelodLk: crontab is for running tasks at given times. it's not for keeping something running when you logout |
| 09:18.23 | MelodLk | how do I use this option? |
| 09:18.25 | bolt-work | MelodLk: screen, however, serves that purpose |
| 09:18.28 | googlah | MelodLk: are you sure you look in "crontab" as in "crontab"? try the command: crontab -e as your user.. and set time and date correctly. |
| 09:18.55 | Crypticfortune | MelodLk: you can also just "nohup <command>" and achieve the same thing. screen's muuch more flexible though |
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| 09:19.23 | MelodLk | Crypticfortune so if the file name is "fire" ill do nhup ./fire ? |
| 09:19.35 | MelodLk | since i do ./fire to run the exe |
| 09:20.06 | Crypticfortune | MelodLk: right. |
| 09:20.27 | bolt-work | MelodLk: I would still suggest reading up on screen |
| 09:20.37 | MelodLk | awesome |
| 09:20.42 | MelodLk | Crypticfortune I love u :P |
| 09:20.46 | MelodLk | u r SIMPLy GREAT |
| 09:21.22 | Crypticfortune | ya, well, listen to bolt-work, because 99% of the time screen is prefered to nohup ;) (they'll both get the job done though) |
| 09:21.53 | MelodLk | lol for screen ill install screen |
| 09:21.54 | MelodLk | n etc |
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| 09:21.58 | MelodLk | but this oen was easier |
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| 09:29.14 | voltage` | is there a vmstat that shows disk free space? |
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| 09:30.28 | JPT | try df -h |
| 09:30.29 | JPT | :) |
| 09:30.36 | voltage` | ok |
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| 09:31.41 | voltage` | nice command man, thanks |
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| 09:33.48 | JPT | no problem :) |
| 09:33.52 | ^shark_ | i recently installed mysql 5.0 in my debian etch system like so sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client and updated my proftpd.conf file to access the database but it defaults to mod_sql_postgres and yet i dont have prostgress installed |
| 09:34.06 | ^shark_ | is this the default dehaviour of the module and how can i change this |
| 09:34.23 | Doctor_Nick | my squeal |
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| 09:48.41 | tarzeau | jelly-home: indeed |
| 09:49.11 | geek | *sigh* |
| 09:49.21 | geek | there needs to be a package that handles laziness ;p |
| 09:49.40 | geek | i got my home file server nearly perfect other than the things i need to get off my ass to do |
| 09:49.40 | trifler | adduser or useradd? |
| 09:49.53 | geek | adduser |
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| 09:59.01 | gane | how to pass the grub prompt output to any file |
| 10:01.22 | voltage` | geek you mean like a NFS box? |
| 10:01.32 | voltage` | with samba or all unix based lan? |
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| 10:02.56 | boguh | hi, how can i see if an ethernet device has a 100 or 1000 mbit connection? |
| 10:03.27 | petemc | ethtool |
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| 10:04.14 | boguh | petemc not installed |
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| 10:04.20 | petemc | oh no! |
| 10:04.28 | petemc | well, might as well give up then |
| 10:04.28 | FiFouille | boguh: mii-tool ? |
| 10:04.45 | boguh | FiFouille that works, thx |
| 10:04.53 | petemc | you can look in dmesg too, if its not overwritten |
| 10:05.16 | geek | voltage`: er? |
| 10:05.24 | damjan | hi all. I've setup PXE boot for Debian lenny, but it seems that the kernel and initramfs are not updated since may ... and when I boot it complains that the kernel modules from the mirror dont match the running kernel |
| 10:05.29 | geek | voltage`: smb + webserver + irc server. just to mess around ;p |
| 10:05.45 | damjan | ... anybody knows if there are up-to-date kernel and initramfs for PXE boot? |
| 10:06.21 | geek | actually in the process of setting up smb cause i ain't in the mood to set up services for my ircd (unreal + anope unstable) ;p |
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| 10:07.07 | FiFouille | damjan: get the netboot tar.gz file, there is a lenny version with a 2.6.24 or 25 kernel if I remember well |
| 10:09.11 | damjan | FiFouille: from where? |
| 10:10.17 | damjan | FiFouille: this one ? ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 10:13.15 | FiFouille | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.15 | FiFouille | Date de retour |
| 10:13.15 | FiFouille | Calendar |
| 10:13.15 | FiFouille | Nombre de passagers |
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| 10:13.29 | damjan | actually for lenny ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 10:13.38 | damjan | but the file is netboot.tar.gz 6602 KB 22.05.2008 19:41:00 |
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| 10:14.24 | FiFouille | damjan: this one include a 2.6.18 kernel, i think |
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| 10:19.21 | voltage` | geek do you use apache2 for your web server? |
| 10:19.42 | geek | voltage`: yeah |
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| 10:19.59 | voltage` | you use var/www for your sites or /home/username? |
| 10:20.08 | geek | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.27 | voltage` | checks to see if he has read/write in that dir |
| 10:20.30 | geek | the use as a file server and web server are kinda independant at the moment. |
| 10:20.35 | geek | heh |
| 10:20.52 | voltage` | good to keep your network services on different boxes anyway |
| 10:21.05 | geek | eheh |
| 10:21.17 | geek | other than that box most of my kittens run on small VMs |
| 10:21.18 | voltage` | yeah see I don't have read write on var/www |
| 10:21.26 | dergraf_ | something weird is going on. i cannot get kerberos tickets locally on my server ("Cannot contact any KDC..."). From other computers over the internet i can get tickets just fine. Any ideas what could have gone wrong? |
| 10:21.36 | geek | i don't either. thats one of the things i need to fix |
| 10:21.58 | geek | right now i do everything as root, and chmod em. which is a bloody stupid thing to do ;p |
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| 10:22.36 | voltage` | yeah. I got hung up the same way. I tried changing apache2 sites to /home/user name but that didn't fly so well |
| 10:22.52 | voltage` | and vsftp was tough to wrap my head around (seem to have read only) |
| 10:22.57 | geek | lol |
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| 10:23.05 | trifler | rats you need 3d accel installed to be able to be able to install quake3 in order to host a server. |
| 10:23.17 | geek | trifler: that seems.. wierd |
| 10:23.32 | voltage` | nah, I think to host you have to be inside the game don't you? |
| 10:23.35 | geek | isn't there a standalone dedicated server? |
| 10:23.42 | geek | er, actually no |
| 10:23.45 | voltage` | That would be best |
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| 10:28.38 | voltage` | Do you set everthing static geek? |
| 10:28.53 | geek | voltage`: 'static'? |
| 10:29.19 | geek | voltage`: i do run a few dynamic things. |
| 10:29.32 | esds | geek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo == STATIC |
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| 10:30.02 | geek | esds: ewww |
| 10:30.04 | voltage` | yeah I use reservations |
| 10:30.17 | voltage` | for servers |
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| 10:30.21 | geek | i don't think i am familiar with that |
| 10:30.22 | esds | geek: like the best video on the web |
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| 10:32.03 | voltage` | You put the mac address of your lan card into your dhcp3 config file with a static IP and then keep your server dhcp. |
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| 10:34.15 | geek | voltage`: ahhhhhh |
| 10:34.27 | techie | hi all |
| 10:34.31 | geek | voltage`: thats one of the things i'm too lazy to do ;p |
| 10:34.48 | techie | m having some doubt |
| 10:35.13 | geek | actually you set the ip address to static and reserve it at the router |
| 10:35.20 | techie | is anyone - expert in Inkacape |
| 10:35.36 | geek | trifler: http://www.sp1r1t.org/networks/q3_install/q3_linux_server_howto.php nope... no mention of needing acceleration whatsoever |
| 10:35.51 | voltage` | I have a debian etch box and my firewall with 2 nics onto a switch with my dhcp server |
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| 10:36.08 | voltage` | both boxes have to be up for a client or server to get an ip |
| 10:36.22 | voltage` | but if my firewall goes down I still have lan connectivity |
| 10:36.33 | trifler | geek: Yeah I know I've done it before just diden't remeber about that part I though it was weird. |
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| 10:36.49 | geek | and its /etc/network or something |
| 10:36.52 | trifler | geek: Just making sure :) ty |
| 10:37.03 | voltage` | takes a look |
| 10:37.22 | trifler | glx is to advanced stuff for my cli-server. |
| 10:37.45 | geek | i use a WRT, two DNS servers (router + an internal one running unbound) |
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| 10:39.06 | geek | (my ISP's DNS server is the only part of their service that has ever gone down) |
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| 10:40.06 | voltage` | this is how mine is setup |
| 10:40.08 | voltage` | http://www.pastebin.ca/1232631 |
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| 10:41.50 | eusto | hi, i'm having trouble killing a process. "kill -9 pid" does not work |
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| 10:42.16 | trifler | eusto: pkill procname? |
| 10:42.16 | eusto | i mean, it prints nothing (just as if it worked) but the process is still running with the same pid |
| 10:42.34 | esds | eusto: killall -9 processname? |
| 10:43.00 | eusto | trifler, esds: nope |
| 10:43.06 | eusto | i tried both |
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| 10:43.23 | trifler | as root? |
| 10:43.26 | eusto | yes |
| 10:43.30 | eusto | the process is mv |
| 10:43.46 | eusto | i wanted to move some files from one folder to another and it hanged |
| 10:43.52 | eusto | now i can't get the bugger to close |
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| 10:44.44 | bolt-work | sure the devices you're moving from and to actually work? |
| 10:44.50 | bolt-work | check logs for IO errors |
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| 10:46.30 | eusto | i'm guessing one of them does not work |
| 10:47.19 | eusto | bolt-work, the one i'm copying to is a vmware disk mounted with vmware-mount.pl |
| 10:47.28 | eusto | this one might not be working |
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| 10:47.58 | nirupama | how can be make projector to work with debian after the system has boot |
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| 10:48.40 | Lagbolt | oops |
| 10:50.50 | eusto | ok...rebooting doesn't work either...:| |
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| 11:01.07 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 11:01.13 | warfrog | the binary nvidia driver makes worlds of diff |
| 11:01.30 | quik__ | I have a usb drive that someone has lent me. how can I auto discover and mount it? |
| 11:01.33 | warfrog | should i need to get the proper driver for my IDE controller too |
| 11:01.40 | JewingGum | Hi |
| 11:01.43 | JewingGum | PAL |
| 11:01.44 | warfrog | i 'may' have some performance issues |
| 11:02.14 | warfrog | i dont see how that could be the problem, disk reads, cant get much simpler than that |
| 11:02.34 | warfrog | the system just doesn't seem to share the disk well if multiple apps are using it |
| 11:02.46 | warfrog | it will freeze up a desktop environment and make launching apps take forever |
| 11:02.56 | warfrog | way worse than windoze |
| 11:03.11 | warfrog | i just dont know what might be the culprit |
| 11:03.28 | warfrog | i am using an ext3 partition if that has any effect |
| 11:05.31 | warfrog | that would be futile |
| 11:05.48 | warfrog | ok a more practical question, are there good binary (non-free) sound drivers too |
| 11:05.57 | warfrog | i am using an audigy 2 |
| 11:06.08 | warfrog | i like the binary nvidia drivers for my gfx |
| 11:06.14 | GhostlyDeath | Resistance Is Futile |
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| 11:07.25 | warfrog | i'm a total n00b with alsa |
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| 11:08.03 | warfrog | i just know 3d rendering sux without the non-free nvidia driver |
| 11:08.27 | warfrog | i'm wondering how to get the best out of my audigy sound card, i dont know enough about alsa |
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| 11:09.30 | cahoot | warfrog: als should support that soundcard just fine |
| 11:09.37 | quik__ | how can I probe to discover which drive is a usb attached storage? |
| 11:09.49 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA stands for Awesome Linux Sound Architecture |
| 11:10.17 | GhostlyDeath | don't mind the true meaning of the first A which is Advanced however |
| 11:10.21 | phr3ak | quik__: see the dmesg |
| 11:10.24 | geek | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture actually ;p |
| 11:10.34 | cahoot | Awkward? |
| 11:10.37 | geek | oops |
| 11:10.46 | geek | cahoot: as long as it ain't aweful |
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| 11:11.03 | quik__ | phr3ak: sweet. |
| 11:11.13 | quik__ | I think its sdc! :) |
| 11:11.23 | phr3ak | anyone knows a tool that can generate iptables command from running iptables? iptables-save don't good for me i'd like a runnable script on the output. |
| 11:11.23 | warfrog | well i suppose a sound card is not exactly like trying to do 3d rendering |
| 11:12.04 | dergraf_ | something weird is going on. i cannot get kerberos tickets locally on my server ("Cannot contact any KDC..."). From other computers over the internet i can get tickets just fine. Any ideas what could have gone wrong? |
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| 11:12.59 | lodder | Any idea on how to migrate a root and boot partition to lvm2? |
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| 11:13.19 | phr3ak | dergraf_: you need full dns support for all hosts, reverse too |
| 11:14.01 | warfrog | i dont think u will get the boot partition in there |
| 11:14.08 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: i'm sure my dns works. but I'll better double-check |
| 11:14.14 | warfrog | but u can have everything else that is under /boot, also swap |
| 11:14.41 | lodder | warfrog: swap is already in lvm |
| 11:14.59 | warfrog | its quite easy from the installer if you dont mind making a new system |
| 11:15.17 | phr3ak | dergraf_: are you using ldap with kerberos or you have local users? |
| 11:15.20 | lodder | well it's a existing xen dom0 system, with xen in lvm |
| 11:15.46 | lodder | if there is a posibility to use the current lvm |
| 11:16.13 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: ok, i checked. dns works forwards and backwards on all hosts. and i am not using any ldap |
| 11:16.27 | warfrog | else i would recommend some live cd that can setup and manage partitions, just back up all the files and then restore them after starting all over with new partitions |
| 11:16.37 | phr3ak | how many hosts in your kerberos system? |
| 11:16.52 | warfrog | as for getting it to boot, recognizing the volume groups and using lvm for /, i have no idea |
| 11:17.04 | warfrog | but it is quite easy from the installer for a fresh system |
| 11:17.05 | lodder | warfrog: ok |
| 11:17.11 | lodder | yea I know |
| 11:17.20 | warfrog | but if u want an encrypted lvm |
| 11:17.21 | warfrog | i gotta warn ya |
| 11:17.27 | lodder | no encrypted |
| 11:17.29 | warfrog | it will take like 5 hrs to wipe a 250gb disk heh |
| 11:17.32 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: two right now. my server (somewhere on the internet) and my local desktop computer. |
| 11:17.59 | dergraf_ | on the server i can't get any tickets, on my local desktop computer i can |
| 11:18.03 | warfrog | i think there is a way to skip that step if you had already wiped the drive using something faster |
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| 11:18.50 | lodder | warfrog: no encription, only want to copy /boot and / to /dev/vg/root that is an existing folder |
| 11:18.50 | phr3ak | firewall? |
| 11:19.40 | warfrog | i still dont know if it would be possible to get /boot in there even without crypto |
| 11:19.48 | lodder | k |
| 11:19.48 | warfrog | i dont think grub knows how to read lvm |
| 11:19.51 | phr3ak | telnet hostnameofkerberosserver 88 |
| 11:19.55 | lodder | k |
| 11:21.26 | bolt-work | i don't think there's any real point in putting boot on lvm |
| 11:21.35 | bolt-work | if it ever gets too large, you have too many kernels installed :P |
| 11:21.36 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: telnet can't work, kerberos is udp. or at least the servers aren't listening on any tcp sockets. |
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| 11:23.47 | phr3ak | are you sure the reverse dns entry is equal with a record ? |
| 11:23.58 | phr3ak | check hosts file too |
| 11:24.14 | phr3ak | check the connection with tcpdump |
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| 11:26.25 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: found it, finally. the ip address in /etc/hosts was wrong |
| 11:26.36 | warfrog | iceweasel 3.0.3 finally trickled down to lenny |
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| 11:26.39 | phr3ak | i told you :) |
| 11:26.47 | warfrog | i cant seem to set wallpaper thought :| |
| 11:26.48 | warfrog | though* |
| 11:27.13 | warfrog | i'm using openbox but that always worked before |
| 11:27.37 | warfrog | maybe there is something it depends on in gnome, thats the only thing diff about this system |
| 11:28.26 | warfrog | because openbox always shows the gnome background by default when both are installed |
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| 11:28.32 | phr3ak | anyone knows a tool that can generate iptables command from running iptables? iptables-save don't good for me i'd like a runnable script on the output. |
| 11:28.36 | warfrog | some gnome/nautilus components seem to start up with it, maybe that is ti |
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| 11:29.16 | warfrog | what exactly do you need to do phr3ak |
| 11:29.19 | fqh | hello, does this IRC alse talk about emdebian? |
| 11:29.39 | warfrog | i always use iptables-save and iptables-restore < |
| 11:29.46 | phr3ak | i'd like to save the iptables to a runnable script |
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| 11:30.01 | phr3ak | i load it to an other server |
| 11:30.09 | voltage` | Would shorewall be any good to him warfrog? |
| 11:30.20 | fqh | I meet a bug perhaps |
| 11:30.22 | phr3ak | if any chain is not available on other server the iptables not loaded |
| 11:30.26 | warfrog | i havent had much exp with shorewall |
| 11:30.41 | warfrog | i always prefer to use raw iptables directly, low-level |
| 11:30.48 | warfrog | im not the right guy to ask about such things :P |
| 11:31.15 | warfrog | i only require a few simple rules for my setup |
| 11:31.21 | voltage` | it just installs over iptables and gives you files to edit like httpd.conf in apache or dhcp3 instead of doing iptables stuff |
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| 11:32.05 | fqh | libgcc1-armel-cross: Depends: gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi-base (= 4.3.2-1) but 4.3.1-9 is installed. |
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| 11:32.22 | warfrog | i tried using firestarter once, put so much junk in there i couldn't read, once i learned how to use iptables i just stuck with that |
| 11:33.06 | fqh | ? nobody note me? |
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| 11:34.50 | pbn | Hi there, trying to umount /media/PBN which is /dev/sdb1 it says umount: device is busy. But lsof | grep PBN or lsof | grep sdb1 shows nothing... any idea ? |
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| 11:36.06 | warfrog | fqh sounds like you mixed repositories |
| 11:36.26 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: i think i can maybe write a perl script for you to convert the iptables-save output to a script. it might take some time though, i'm not very good at perl |
| 11:36.59 | warfrog | i need to learn perl as well |
| 11:37.00 | warfrog | heh |
| 11:38.11 | warfrog | i am mostly c++ |
| 11:38.19 | phr3ak | i can write script but i hope is be any ready tool for this |
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| 11:38.32 | warfrog | trying to ditch windows and get into the linux thing |
| 11:38.41 | warfrog | been windows free for almost a year har |
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| 11:39.28 | warfrog | its what makes it hard for new people is they can't find decent info |
| 11:39.46 | warfrog | like when i needed to get the binary nvidia driver.. no clue how, every damn site on the web talks about grabbin the kernel headers and compiling it yourself |
| 11:39.56 | warfrog | when all i had to do was grab the right packages from non-free, ready to go |
| 11:40.04 | warfrog | i had to learn most of it the hard way |
| 11:41.13 | warfrog | only issue now is the occational bad install from the cd |
| 11:42.04 | voltage` | same way here warfrog got no linux geek friends just me and time and google |
| 11:42.07 | geek | warfrog: thats in part a cultural issue IMO ;p |
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| 11:42.11 | voltage` | and beer |
| 11:42.22 | warfrog | heh |
| 11:42.29 | geek | google + howtoforge + a VM for testing for me ;p |
| 11:42.31 | warfrog | beer is good |
| 11:42.52 | geek | personally i prefer coke, or a good ginger beet |
| 11:42.54 | geek | beer |
| 11:42.55 | warfrog | even recently i had issues on a fresh install, first or second boot |
| 11:43.04 | warfrog | it was really messed up |
| 11:43.11 | warfrog | and one other time i had dm-crypt mess my partition up |
| 11:43.14 | geek | XD |
| 11:43.20 | warfrog | but other than that its mostly been my fault, except for teh occational fail from install cd |
| 11:43.21 | warfrog | which his rare |
| 11:43.33 | geek | my current server took me.. oh... half a dozen attempts to get LVM to work as i wanted it ;p |
| 11:43.41 | warfrog | most of my early issues stemmed from allowing loopbak in the input chain but not the output chain |
| 11:43.50 | warfrog | you wanna see strange behavior, try that |
| 11:43.52 | geek | which was mainly my stupidity, and me being too used to single hard drive installs |
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| 11:44.31 | asulao | !sources.list |
| 11:44.32 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:46.05 | warfrog | lots of config files are picky on syntax too, that can cause your system to behave strange |
| 11:46.08 | warfrog | very sensitive |
| 11:46.20 | warfrog | like picky on whitespace, and comments even |
| 11:47.19 | warfrog | i tend to do stuff like 0#5 |
| 11:47.42 | warfrog | i expect it to respect the comment rule perfectly |
| 11:47.44 | warfrog | but sometimes it needs to go on another line |
| 11:49.22 | warfrog | only thing i should need to compile now is truecrypt, unless anyone knows of some repository that has current versions |
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| 11:50.41 | warfrog | i used the ubuntu package once, that was fail |
| 11:50.54 | warfrog | it would only work as root (maybe my fault since i didn't have sudo set up) |
| 11:50.56 | warfrog | and only ro at that |
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| 11:51.01 | warfrog | at least i could get to my stuff |
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| 11:51.11 | ma3x | hello |
| 11:51.21 | warfrog | hi |
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| 11:56.16 | fqh | !sources.list |
| 11:56.16 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:57.51 | wald0 | what's the difference between id_rsa.pub and id_dsa.pub ? |
| 11:58.57 | warfrog | i see a lot of kernel images and modules packages with 'bigmem' |
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| 11:59.08 | warfrog | is that only for systems with +4GB or something |
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| 11:59.40 | jelly | wald0: different keypair cyrpto algorythms is used for each of those (rsa and dsa ;-) |
| 12:00.10 | wald0 | jelly: ok... that could be a problem ? somebody has requested my id_rsa key to have an svn access but i have id_dsa |
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| 12:00.44 | jelly | wald0: rsa was patent encumbered at one point in time, so people used dsa. dsa is (thought to be?) weaker, so use rsa if you can |
| 12:00.58 | jelly | wald0: you can just create a rsa keypair |
| 12:01.04 | torr | can I run a few computers from shared storage? |
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| 12:01.19 | tosse_ | lenny netinst doesnt seem to find any kernel modules, is there any fix for this? |
| 12:01.21 | jelly | wald0: and they'd have asked you for id_rsa.pub, not id_rsa |
| 12:01.38 | jelly | wald0: you shouldn't give the private part to anyone |
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| 12:02.07 | wald0 | yes, .pub, sorry |
| 12:02.18 | warfrog | net inst, hmm i havent used that in a while |
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| 12:03.25 | tosse_ | noone using lenny and netinst here? |
| 12:04.17 | warfrog | i used the latest CD-1 weekly release with no issues |
| 12:04.21 | warfrog | oct 6 |
| 12:04.32 | warfrog | i havent used net inst in quite awhile though |
| 12:04.49 | wald0 | jelly: can you remember me the command to generate the rsa ones ? |
| 12:05.01 | warfrog | you can startx and get twm from there |
| 12:05.02 | tosse_ | the one available from ftp.xx.debian.org says there is no kernel modules available |
| 12:05.10 | warfrog | then install gdm/gnome or w/e |
| 12:05.11 | warfrog | and move on from there |
| 12:05.30 | trifler | Erm how do you type a sh script? http://farva.bsnet.se/~quake3/ I have those two files, now the thing is that the script works I just want to get rid of the errors produced to my term. |
| 12:05.47 | trifler | did that makes sense :S |
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| 12:06.13 | geek | er... you don't want to see em, or you don't want em? |
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| 12:06.50 | warfrog | when was snd_pcsp incorporated in, this must be a new module |
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| 12:07.06 | warfrog | i noticed recently if pcspkr is blacklisted it will try to use the other one, very sneeky! |
| 12:07.11 | trifler | geek: I just want the script to execute and the echo to be printed |
| 12:07.17 | KRF | trifler, sh script.sh 2> /dev/null |
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| 12:07.33 | warfrog | i have to blacklist pcspkr and snd_pcsp to get rid of those annoying beeps :D |
| 12:07.57 | trifler | KRF: After the shebang? |
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| 12:09.05 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: found something for your iptables-save-problem? if not - i made a perl script for that |
| 12:09.29 | KRF | trifler, ehm. dunno. your output looks weird and so does your script :S |
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| 12:10.54 | trifler | KRF: :( |
| 12:11.58 | mquin | watches chrisjw fly backwards through a hedge |
| 12:11.59 | phr3ak | thank you if you made show it but i found a little perl script |
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| 12:12.58 | dergraf_ | here: http://pastebin.com/m4fb5e905 |
| 12:14.42 | voltage` | how would I check and see when my dhcp lease is up in etch command line? ip command? |
| 12:15.54 | warfrog | i dunno if ifconfig would show that |
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| 12:16.00 | warfrog | i always use static ip |
| 12:16.07 | voltage` | ok |
| 12:16.09 | phr3ak | nice thank you |
| 12:16.11 | warfrog | it should show it |
| 12:16.22 | dergraf_ | phr3ak: where did you find the other perl script? i'd like to compare it to mine |
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| 12:16.49 | pMish | What is name of latest stable debian version ? |
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| 12:16.52 | phr3ak | perl -e 'my $c; while (<>) { $c = $1 if /^\*([a-z]+)$/; printf("iptables -t %s %s\n",$c,$_) if /^-/; }' |
| 12:17.07 | warfrog | pMish: etch |
| 12:17.14 | warfrog | but lenny is close to being stable, and etch is kinda old |
| 12:17.16 | warfrog | id go with lenny |
| 12:17.16 | phr3ak | but it cant handle default policy :) |
| 12:17.29 | voltage` | it's for my wan lease |
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| 12:17.38 | gane | how to pass the grub prompt output to any file |
| 12:17.43 | pMish | lenny = testing ? |
| 12:17.49 | pMish | gane, what ? |
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| 12:17.53 | warfrog | yes pmish |
| 12:18.06 | zabber | what should i write in my source.list for etch? |
| 12:18.13 | voltage` | etch is all I run on older hardware |
| 12:18.20 | phr3ak | etch -> unstable |
| 12:18.31 | phr3ak | sources.list: etch -> unstable |
| 12:18.32 | pMish | phr3ak, what ? |
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| 12:18.43 | warfrog | etch = old |
| 12:18.44 | warfrog | heh |
| 12:18.46 | phr3ak | s/etch/unstable |
| 12:18.52 | pMish | voltage`, lenny makes problems on old hw |
| 12:18.53 | pMish | ? |
| 12:18.53 | warfrog | lenny is 'stable' |
| 12:19.00 | warfrog | dont let the 'stable' 'testing' label throw you off |
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| 12:19.04 | geek | lenny is testing ;p |
| 12:19.10 | pMish | warfrog, what do you mean |
| 12:19.15 | voltage` | no just a performance hit |
| 12:19.25 | warfrog | lenny is reliable |
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| 12:19.27 | warfrog | and etch is old |
| 12:19.28 | voltage` | newer more bloated software |
| 12:19.34 | warfrog | dont get sucked into etch because it is 'stable' and lenny is 'testing' |
| 12:19.38 | warfrog | lenny will go stable soon anyway |
| 12:19.40 | dergraf_ | i think i'll never get to a point where i can write perl like that. but then my script handles the default policy as well |
| 12:19.46 | geek | pMish: stable = not updated other than security testing = works well, but still updated |
| 12:19.52 | pMish | etch is like 4 years old right ? |
| 12:20.09 | Rienzilla | nah |
| 12:20.11 | warfrog | yes |
| 12:20.11 | warfrog | if you need to use any newer software at all |
| 12:20.13 | warfrog | you are asking for pain |
| 12:20.19 | warfrog | every dependency in etch will be too ld |
| 12:20.21 | warfrog | old* |
| 12:20.27 | voltage` | << has open office.org 2.0 for example |
| 12:20.31 | Rienzilla | lol |
| 12:20.32 | geek | voltage`: donno. etch runs like a charm on my 8 year old PIII ;p |
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| 12:20.40 | pMish | etch is 8 year old ? |
| 12:20.43 | Rienzilla | I just upgraded my lasts systems from srage like 4 months ago :) |
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| 12:20.50 | geek | er |
| 12:20.52 | geek | i mean lenny |
| 12:20.53 | voltage` | I got it on an 11 year old PIII just a little laggy on the gui |
| 12:21.03 | geek | i used to run etch, then ubuntu then lenny |
| 12:21.07 | voltage` | be interesting to try |
| 12:21.12 | geek | voltage`: oh, just bump up the ram ;p |
| 12:21.13 | pMish | What is this 31 CDs ? Where is lenny netinst iso ? |
| 12:21.24 | voltage` | got 512 at the moment |
| 12:21.27 | warfrog | lenny is very very close to being stable, so its updates are unlikely to break much |
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| 12:21.29 | geek | pMish: 31 cds is everything. all you need is cd 1 |
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| 12:21.40 | voltage` | and internet connection |
| 12:21.44 | warfrog | etch is like running windows 98 |
| 12:21.44 | pMish | ok |
| 12:21.48 | geek | voltage`: 640. i stole ram off a server i got rid of. the system is at near max capacity |
| 12:21.51 | warfrog | too old, unless u just use a server |
| 12:21.54 | pMish | why there is no "netinst" lenny cd ? |
| 12:21.55 | voltage` | lol win 98 was tough as nails |
| 12:21.57 | warfrog | but not for desktop, use lenny |
| 12:22.08 | voltage` | << only uses for server stuff so is ok |
| 12:22.15 | geek | warfrog: i USED to run kde + nx ;p |
| 12:22.19 | warfrog | lots of people run sid 'unstable' for desktop |
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| 12:22.24 | geek | ~20% processor load the entire time |
| 12:22.31 | warfrog | eh |
| 12:22.33 | warfrog | heh |
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| 12:22.43 | voltage` | lol geek. you still run gnome? |
| 12:22.56 | geek | (on ubuntu. it was a shitty way to do what i wanted) |
| 12:22.57 | Hick0rd | how do I check the testing repo via aptitude. |
| 12:23.16 | geek | voltage`: no, it was freenx which did it. i then used it to run ktorrent. ;p |
| 12:23.31 | warfrog | i still run kde/gnome sometimes |
| 12:23.46 | voltage` | i like the xubuntu's xfce for speed |
| 12:23.50 | geek | warfrog: KDE for me. half pondering LXDE ;p |
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| 12:23.58 | warfrog | i have the metapackagfe install everythign for both |
| 12:24.07 | voltage` | kde = mandrake look? |
| 12:24.09 | warfrog | but i normally use openbox |
| 12:24.13 | geek | custom KDE |
| 12:24.14 | warfrog | or fluxbox |
| 12:24.15 | heroxbd | I use stumpwm and am addicted to it :) |
| 12:24.23 | warfrog | or blackbox |
| 12:24.24 | voltage` | fluxbox I have heard good things |
| 12:24.31 | geek | voltage`: i use a basic KDE theme, but all black |
| 12:24.33 | warfrog | anything *box heh |
| 12:24.38 | warfrog | those are good |
| 12:24.59 | geek | voltage`: consoles are classic green on black |
| 12:25.00 | warfrog | someone suggested i use ratpoison, i half wonder if they were trolling me or not :P |
| 12:25.06 | voltage` | I don't know much about messing with gui. most of my boxes are command line only except this new PIII lol |
| 12:25.13 | geek | the BIG clincher for me is yakuake |
| 12:25.15 | voltage` | hey nice |
| 12:25.34 | warfrog | yea i feel like im in the matrix |
| 12:25.38 | warfrog | or red on black |
| 12:25.43 | voltage` | don't you need all new aps though? grip for example? |
| 12:25.45 | geek | amber on black |
| 12:25.52 | geek | but that feels too 'warm' |
| 12:25.59 | voltage` | lol |
| 12:26.12 | geek | voltage`: for? |
| 12:26.22 | warfrog | yea i like amber on black too |
| 12:26.30 | warfrog | either that or red or green |
| 12:26.49 | voltage` | like if I was going to switch my etch box from gnome to something like kde I would need all new aps wouldn't I? |
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| 12:27.06 | geek | erf |
| 12:27.20 | warfrog | i never installed X11 and xorg on a system that didnt have it |
| 12:27.21 | warfrog | i dont know what that entails |
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| 12:27.33 | geek | hadn't noticed his server had a built in, and non functional 'sound card' |
| 12:27.38 | voltage` | I have gnome now with x11 and xorg |
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| 12:27.43 | warfrog | but once you can startx, its easy |
| 12:27.43 | geek | warfrog: let apt take care of it ;p |
| 12:27.49 | warfrog | just install gdm login manager |
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| 12:27.57 | warfrog | then whatever desktop environment you want |
| 12:27.58 | warfrog | gnome/kde |
| 12:28.01 | warfrog | fluxbox |
| 12:28.10 | voltage` | xfce ? |
| 12:28.13 | geek | |fluxdude|: or kdm, or xdm or slim ;p |
| 12:28.37 | warfrog | every debian cd i've tried at least has that much |
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| 12:28.51 | warfrog | you can startx and get into twm at least |
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| 12:29.27 | geek | LOL |
| 12:29.27 | warfrog | then just install kdm/gdm |
| 12:29.30 | warfrog | i like gdm better |
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| 12:29.40 | warfrog | then its cake |
| 12:29.44 | geek | i googled part of my server. and ran into a pastebin i did muse |
| 12:29.46 | geek | myself |
| 12:29.53 | pMish | debian naming scheme is a big confusiopn |
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| 12:29.59 | warfrog | lol |
| 12:30.11 | pMish | s/naming/versions/. |
| 12:31.09 | geek | pMish: to put it simply... |
| 12:31.14 | voltage` | haven't you watched toy story? lol |
| 12:31.15 | liable | more confusint than hairy hornbag? |
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| 12:31.24 | geek | ;p |
| 12:31.27 | warfrog | hairy hornbag? |
| 12:31.47 | warfrog | what the hell have you been watching! |
| 12:31.48 | warfrog | lulz |
| 12:32.02 | liable | sorry, hardy hedgehog.. |
| 12:32.19 | warfrog | heh |
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| 12:32.25 | warfrog | fiesty prawn |
| 12:32.26 | pMish | "I downloaded 2 months ago what was then testing stable, not it is called unstable oldstable, I wonder what it will be called next week" |
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| 12:32.32 | liable | or is it warty windbag? |
| 12:33.19 | unstable | How can I list files in a directory, and see which was written to last. on the time stamp/date |
| 12:33.23 | TheFiller | I'm so sick of ubuntu (my first try at linux) after a some very very weird bugs that no one could help me with, and now I want to start my luck with Debian. First question is: does Debian also support encrypted root partitions via dmcrypt? |
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| 12:33.46 | warfrog | etch is now stable |
| 12:33.54 | warfrog | when lenny becomes stable etch will become old stable |
| 12:33.58 | warfrog | i think |
| 12:34.20 | warfrog | then 'testing' will continue under some new name, for the next version |
| 12:34.30 | liable | TheFiller: it does supported encrypted root, dunn what it uses, check the install manual |
| 12:34.38 | warfrog | right now testing is frozen, no more buggy new crap is suposed to get in |
| 12:34.58 | Cholito | do I have to create a new user with same name and pass as the one in windows in order to access debian through the network? |
| 12:35.17 | themill | Cholito: no |
| 12:35.21 | pMish | Cholito, not really |
| 12:35.35 | pMish | version labels that change over time are confusing as hell |
| 12:35.36 | voltage` | pays attention |
| 12:35.46 | pMish | it's like make marks on the water when rowing on |
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| 12:38.05 | Cholito | then why do I get "not enough permissions to access"? |
| 12:38.14 | warfrog | 'testing' will always exist |
| 12:38.26 | warfrog | right now lenny is testing, just as etch was testing one day, then it will be stable |
| 12:38.38 | warfrog | its not really confusing |
| 12:39.06 | warfrog | the only thing to worry about is in your /etc/apt/sources.list if you have lenny or testing |
| 12:39.07 | pMish | So if I am using testing, and you are using testing, we two can be using totally different versions depending on (I need to remember when I installed them) ... Awesome |
| 12:39.28 | themill | pMish: not if you are keeping your machine up to date, which you are supposed to do |
| 12:39.29 | warfrog | if you have lenny it will automatically keep lenny, even when lenny goes stable |
| 12:39.48 | warfrog | or if you have testing, it will stay with testing even when lenny goes stable |
| 12:40.09 | voltage` | << runs etch and only get security updates for example |
| 12:40.53 | warfrog | deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ lenny will stay with lenny |
| 12:41.11 | warfrog | and if you substitute 'testing' for lenny it will always stay with testing |
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| 12:42.08 | pMish | And if I am usingf stable and you're using stable, we two are possibly using different versions. How useful. |
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| 12:42.49 | warfrog | think of testing kinda like a beta |
| 12:43.09 | warfrog | but not quite |
| 12:43.59 | themill | pMish: no. If you are using stable, then you are using stable, there's nothing confusing about it. |
| 12:44.35 | warfrog | i see where pMish wants to go |
| 12:44.49 | warfrog | then just think of stable/testing |
| 12:44.53 | warfrog | dotn think about names at all |
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| 12:45.16 | warfrog | deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ testing |
| 12:45.17 | warfrog | deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ stable |
| 12:45.26 | warfrog | doesnt matter whether its called sarge or lenny or etch |
| 12:45.28 | themill | warfrog: that's not recommended for stable. |
| 12:45.28 | warfrog | yo ucant go wrong there |
| 12:45.36 | warfrog | that is the only thing that matters |
| 12:45.55 | warfrog | themill: y not |
| 12:45.59 | themill | warfrog: yes you can. Reread the upgrade notes for sarge->etch and see why you don't want to use "stable" in the sources.list |
| 12:47.07 | warfrog | themill: are you trying to make some kind of argument against a dist-upgrade or where are you going with this |
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| 12:48.12 | warfrog | my point was if you have deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ stable in your sources.list you will always have stable |
| 12:48.14 | themill | warfrog: oldstable->stable is not something that you do lightly. It is something to be planned and there are frequently special steps that should be taken. You shouldn't have "stable" in your sources.list so that you don't accidentally end up with a stable/oldstable mess due to just trying to pick up security updates |
| 12:48.23 | warfrog | and testing, you will always have testing |
| 12:48.26 | themill | warfrog: no, you will get a broken box when lenny releases |
| 12:48.29 | warfrog | jsut disregard the actual version names |
| 12:48.45 | warfrog | you have a choice |
| 12:49.01 | warfrog | whether to follow a version name like lenny or etch, from testing to stable then old stable |
| 12:49.04 | steampunkey | themill: why do you think so? |
| 12:49.07 | warfrog | or to always stay with 'stable' or 'testing' |
| 12:49.08 | warfrog | regardless of what its called |
| 12:49.11 | warfrog | that seemed to be what pmish was getting at |
| 12:49.36 | steampunkey | hello. you know those something.ext~ files? (those temporary thingies) Well, I wanted my file to be read/write by author alone, and so I set those permissions for it. But I edited it, and the editor (or something) made that temporary file, which has permissions for other people to read. Can I prevent this from happening somehow, and if not, can I disable creation of such temporary files? |
| 12:49.39 | themill | warfrog: you are wrong; the use of "stable" in the sources.list has been deprecated since some time during the release of sarge. |
| 12:49.44 | warfrog | if you always want stable just make sure to use deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ stable for instance |
| 12:49.51 | themill | warfrog: please stop. |
| 12:49.53 | warfrog | and make sure not to have 'etch' or 'lenny' in your sources list file |
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| 12:50.30 | themill | steampunkey: check your editor's documentation. |
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| 12:50.53 | TheFiller | w00t? 3 DVDs for debian install? |
| 12:51.11 | xittum | TheFiller: netinstall |
| 12:51.15 | steampunkey | themill, so it's up to the editor? that would mean I have to do it for every editor I use!? (gedit, nano etc) |
| 12:51.22 | voltage` | yeah I love the netinstall |
| 12:51.31 | themill | steampunkey: the editor creates it. |
| 12:51.39 | steampunkey | dang. |
| 12:51.43 | steampunkey | themill, k. thx |
| 12:51.52 | warfrog | themill if you want to argue against a dist-upgrade and not recommend it, that is your prerogative |
| 12:51.56 | warfrog | i may even agree with you |
| 12:52.01 | warfrog | further than that however, take it up with apt-get |
| 12:52.01 | warfrog | not me |
| 12:52.15 | warfrog | that is what you are saying |
| 12:52.22 | voltage` | now this is a net install that runs my firewall /dev/hda1 Total 2.8G Used 508M Free 2.2G 19% / |
| 12:52.42 | TheFiller | xittum: and if I don't have an internet connection on my linux pc, and want access to all available software, I'd have to burn all 3 DVDs, yes? |
| 12:52.45 | warfrog | the repositories still honor the distribution |
| 12:52.47 | voltage` | with 256 ram I can run 1/2 my OS in ram lol |
| 12:52.56 | warfrog | no one told them it was deprecated as you say |
| 12:53.21 | voltage` | TheFiller Yes |
| 12:53.25 | xittum | TheFiller: cd1 should do it unless you need some special packages |
| 12:53.32 | voltage` | well unless you didn't need something off say DVD3 |
| 12:53.38 | TheFiller | voltage`, xittum: thanks |
| 12:53.44 | themill | warfrog: it's not an argument against dist-upgrade. The simple fact is that you shouldn't have "stable" in your sources.list because you will end up with a mess when the next stable release is put out. You can argue all you like, but please don't give bad advice to people on #debian. Anyone following your advice will end up with a broken box when lenny is released unless they take special steps during their regular apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:53.44 | themill | cycle. |
| 12:53.45 | xittum | TheFiller: cd 1-2-3 to be 100% sure |
| 12:54.16 | warfrog | how exactly woudl you 'get a mess', it is the same thing as a dist-upgrade |
| 12:54.27 | TheFiller | xittum: you mean *dvd*? |
| 12:54.27 | warfrog | your only point would be that it would be an overnight surprise you wake up to the next morning |
| 12:54.47 | themill | warfrog: it is the same, but that is not what you are supposed to do for upgrading from one release to another. Read the release notes ffs. |
| 12:54.51 | xittum | TheFiller: if you prefer dvd then fine... |
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| 12:55.29 | warfrog | if its really that important, then the admins at debian.org should disallow that for their repos |
| 12:55.30 | voltage` | Anyone got a good URL on burning audio CD's in etch/lenny? I got 5 coasters now lol |
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| 12:55.33 | warfrog | take it up with them |
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| 12:55.46 | suwro | hello |
| 12:56.07 | cahoot | voltage`: what tool do you use? |
| 12:56.16 | warfrog | why do the repositories still honor it then |
| 12:56.22 | suwro | is there any program like nc to send a request over a specific device? - I've took a look at nc and it can't |
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| 12:56.33 | themill | warfrog: this is a well known problem. There is a reason the installer now uses "etch" and "lenny" in the sources.list not just "stable". Stop arguing about things that you evidently don't understand. |
| 12:56.45 | voltage` | GnomeBaker |
| 12:57.09 | n0mad | hey, how check own mac adress ? |
| 12:57.24 | cahoot | n0mad: try ifconfig |
| 12:57.28 | warfrog | the question still stands, why does debian.org still offer 'stable' and 'testing' in that case then |
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| 12:57.53 | suwro | n0mad: use ifconfig devicename |
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| 12:58.52 | miksuh | war9407: because lenny is now testing and it will be stable after release |
| 12:58.58 | miksuh | that's an example |
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| 12:59.06 | warfrog | themill: if your thesis cannot stand against my antithesis you should not be arguing it' |
| 12:59.14 | warfrog | not whine about "Stop arguing about things that you evidently don't understand." |
| 12:59.14 | themill | warfrog: for historical reasons mainly. And because people like you keep telling people to change their sources.list |
| 12:59.18 | n0mad | thanks is it named under ifconfig HWaddr ? |
| 12:59.25 | suwro | yes |
| 12:59.47 | n0mad | ok thanks cahoot suwro |
| 12:59.56 | warfrog | well |
| 12:59.58 | suwro | ok |
| 13:00.08 | voltage` | cahoot I have 6 different burning modes dao, raw16, raw96p, raw96r, tao, sao (and auto which makes coasters) |
| 13:00.09 | themill | warfrog: I suggest you go away and read up the release notes for the last few releases and understand why you do not want to do what you are suggesting. I have no time for arguing with people who are not prepared to go and learn for themselves. |
| 13:00.16 | warfrog | i everyone should change their sources.list |
| 13:00.20 | warfrog | mainly, every time i sintall it is blank |
| 13:00.51 | warfrog | then take it up with debian then, why do the repositories still honor 'stable' in your sources.list then |
| 13:00.53 | warfrog | it is a logical question |
| 13:01.08 | themill | warfrog: Oh, and try doing what you suggest on a sarge or etch box (upgrading without dist-upgrading or following the release notes) and see how broken you end up. |
| 13:01.10 | suwro | n0mad: you-re welcome |
| 13:01.11 | cahoot | voltage`: sorry never used anything else than plain cdrecord/wodim |
| 13:01.15 | warfrog | am i not allowed to ask? |
| 13:01.16 | warfrog | is that what this is |
| 13:01.19 | warfrog | thought crime? |
| 13:01.35 | themill | warfrog: You're not thinking. That is a crime. kthnxbye. |
| 13:01.36 | voltage` | can I apt-get cdrecord or wodim? |
| 13:01.38 | cahoot | nagging? |
| 13:01.40 | themill | gives up |
| 13:01.43 | voltage` | not fussy what I use as long as it works |
| 13:01.44 | warfrog | one which you still have not provided an ansewr two btw |
| 13:01.54 | warfrog | i jsut asked why tehy still allow 'stable' |
| 13:02.05 | warfrog | apparently some people cant handle that |
| 13:03.19 | warfrog | i would have really accepted any logical answer |
| 13:03.24 | steampunkey | oh, I've been meaning to ask this... you know how in some cases, shell can colour output when you press <tab>? Well I find it very useful, but it doesn't most of the time. Is there a way to make that default (for a user?). I know the question is not well defined, but still. I need this because sometimes I can't differentiate between a file and directory. |
| 13:03.58 | miksuh | war9407: Use stable in the sources.list If you want to make sure that you use stable no matter what it's name is |
| 13:04.14 | miksuh | use testing if you want to use always testing |
| 13:04.22 | stew | miksuh: we'd recommend against using stable even in that case |
| 13:04.52 | warfrog | yes as themill was just raging about |
| 13:04.52 | miksuh | use eg. Lenny if you want to use lenny when it's testing and if you want to continue using stable when lenny is relöeased |
| 13:05.10 | miksuh | stew: yeah, i know. i just tried to explain the difference |
| 13:05.18 | warfrog | and i dont think anyone here is arguing against always using 'testing' if one so chooses |
| 13:05.30 | warfrog | because once testing becomes unfrozen it just picks up where it left of |
| 13:05.43 | warfrog | so why do the repositories even allow one to use 'stable' if its so evil |
| 13:05.54 | OpenTokix | freedom! |
| 13:05.59 | warfrog | so people dont have to keep track of names, incase they really needed to grab something from down there? |
| 13:06.04 | warfrog | its really a moot reason |
| 13:06.08 | stew | warfrog: for historical reasons |
| 13:06.11 | jelly | warfrog: you can shoot yourself in the foot in any number of ways |
| 13:06.12 | cahoot | voltage`: something like: wodim -dao -pad -audio -speed=4 -v *.wav (might need a dev=/dev/your/cdromdev) |
| 13:06.13 | warfrog | heh, freedom |
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| 13:06.32 | suwro | warfrog: what's the problem again? |
| 13:06.59 | suwro | warfrog: why is "stable" evil - since is a symlink in most cases. |
| 13:07.06 | warfrog | i was simply inquiring why one is even allowed by the repository maintainers at debian.org to even use 'stable' in one's sources.list |
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| 13:07.16 | warfrog | if it is so bad |
| 13:07.37 | suwro | warfrog: who said it's bad? - they're mocking you. |
| 13:07.40 | stew | warfrog: becuase people are expecting it to be there, and removing it would break people's systems |
| 13:07.46 | stew | suwro: i said it was bad |
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| 13:07.54 | warfrog | suwro: i refer you to themill's above rants ^ |
| 13:07.56 | warfrog | take it up with him |
| 13:08.01 | steampunkey | I usually don't like people making a point to people via bots, but this time I think warfrog should get that newline/punctuation entry. (sry warfrog) |
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| 13:08.08 | warfrog | warfrog: I suggest you go away and read up the release notes for the last few releases and understand why you do not want to do what you are suggesting. I have no time for arguing with people who are not prepared to go and learn for themselves. |
| 13:08.19 | steampunkey | LOLS |
| 13:08.27 | et | warfrog: talking to yourself again? |
| 13:08.32 | steampunkey | *at warfrog telling himself to go away |
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| 13:08.58 | jelly | warfrog: and he's right; however you're arguing about pushing quite arbitrary limits into apt, which isn't such a good idea |
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| 13:09.07 | warfrog | et, huh? |
| 13:09.07 | warfrog | what is this ##politics |
| 13:09.10 | jelly | warfrog: "stable" is no special keyword, just a directory name on a repo |
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| 13:09.32 | suwro | ok - so where's the magic documentation where it's written that deb stable is EVIL! ? |
| 13:09.37 | warfrog | you just contradicted yourself jelly |
| 13:09.45 | warfrog | you are right, it is just a directory name on a repo |
| 13:09.49 | warfrog | no tinkering with apt required |
| 13:09.51 | jelly | suwro: release notes; /msg dpkg sarge->etch for example |
| 13:09.56 | stew | warfrog: please stop hitting enter so much |
| 13:09.59 | warfrog | yo useem confused |
| 13:10.04 | steampunkey | maybe testing should get a better name. people usually think IT is unstable when downloading Debian for the first time. |
| 13:10.19 | suwro | jelly: I don't really care what a bot say - I want to read that on debian.org |
| 13:10.27 | steampunkey | *and then they download stable and get obsolete stuff |
| 13:10.28 | jelly | suwro: dude, there's your link |
| 13:10.28 | stew | steampunkey: it is unstable in the sense that it changes daily, or what do you mean? |
| 13:10.29 | suwro | jelly: is that on debian.org? |
| 13:10.35 | suwro | ok |
| 13:10.37 | jelly | ... |
| 13:10.38 | warfrog | stew: that was one moar enter, and now my replying to it is 2, that would not have happened if you hadn't said anything : |
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| 13:11.22 | steampunkey | is not sure what stew said/asked |
| 13:11.33 | warfrog | if you wish to see less enters start with yourself, you just caused one more |
| 13:11.48 | jelly | adapts /ignore |
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| 13:13.30 | geek | ;p |
| 13:14.28 | suwro | jelly: ok release notes and announcements that 3.1 is no longer the stable release - moved to 4.0 - I haven't seen any "DONT use stable in apt - this is the reason WHY NOT" - have you? |
| 13:14.32 | warfrog | so its ok to leave the gun in the house for people to hurt themselves that dont know any better and 'expect it to be there' than it is to just simply remove it |
| 13:14.52 | warfrog | err better to* |
| 13:14.52 | stew | warfrog: what are you talking about? |
| 13:15.37 | stew | warfrog: do you actually have a debian related question? or are you just trying to be argumentitive? |
| 13:15.39 | suwro | warfrog: I use stable - because I want to stay in the stable release all the time... My servers are 3 Yr' old "stable" - now I have debian 4 - stable - so what? |
| 13:16.13 | suwro | warfrog: I don't use lenny or etch in my apt - shoot me! |
| 13:16.28 | suwro | jelly: you can shoot me too :P |
| 13:16.35 | stew | suwro: if you want to stay with stable, you should use "etch" instead of stable, so that if lenny is released, and becomes stable, you won't start mixing etch and lenny, which isn't supported |
| 13:16.44 | abrotman | suwro: if you use 'stable', when the new stable is released, you may unknowingly begin the transition which may royally screw up your system |
| 13:16.49 | warfrog | stew: do you have anything logical to contribute? |
| 13:16.52 | warfrog | ok so sewro seems to be on the same page as i was initially |
| 13:16.59 | milligan_ | Just to make sure I have it right, can anyone tell me what this will do: find . -type f -ctime 28 |
| 13:17.14 | stew | warfrog: can you please keep it on-topic, and stop just trying to be otherwise argumentitive? |
| 13:17.21 | et | milligan_: probably not what the author intended |
| 13:17.23 | steampunkey | I am too lazy to read from the beginning, warfrog. But if I knew what you're talking about I might take your side... or not. Depends on your side XD |
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| 13:17.27 | warfrog | stew: the only person being argumentative in here is you |
| 13:17.40 | stew | warfrog: just drpo it then and move on |
| 13:17.43 | warfrog | you are either trying to be a smartass and pick a fight, or genuinely lack reading comprehension skills |
| 13:17.43 | milligan_ | et, that was helpful. Thanks. |
| 13:17.45 | warfrog | in either case, bugger off |
| 13:17.53 | timgoh0 | milligan_: All files in this directory 28 days ago? |
| 13:17.59 | themill | warfrog: Has it occurred to you that the people who you are arguing with might actually know what they are talking about? |
| 13:18.06 | warfrog | once again i ask, do you have anything logical to contribute |
| 13:18.18 | suwro | -type f = look only for files - ctime = look for files older than 2x days? |
| 13:18.26 | warfrog | more ad hominims themill? |
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| 13:18.48 | abrotman | suwro: you can modify the ctime argument to do a few things |
| 13:18.50 | milligan_ | timgoh0, excellent. So, if I add -wholename 'etdidthelp', it will only list files in subdirectories named "etdidnthelp" ? |
| 13:18.55 | warfrog | themill/stew if you are unable to discuss the topic at hand civilly, plz gtfo |
| 13:19.01 | et | milligan_: find all files in . that had their inodes changed *exactly* 28 days ago |
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| 13:19.33 | milligan_ | et, darn, forgot a + before the 28 .. I want all files equal or older than 28 days. |
| 13:19.37 | themill | warfrog: we were, you're refusing to listen. We have nothing to say on the matter other than please don't give bad advice in the channel to other users. If you do, you will get silenced or banned. |
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| 13:20.13 | warfrog | themill: i am cowering in my boots |
| 13:20.14 | warfrog | at your mighty banz0rs |
| 13:20.14 | warfrog | grow up kid |
| 13:20.15 | timgoh0 | milligan_: No, |
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| 13:20.30 | stew | warfrog: enough. stop. move on |
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| 13:20.32 | abrotman | warfrog: leave him alone, put him on /ignore if you can't control yourself |
| 13:21.17 | timgoh0 | milligan_: The way I read it, it will be equiv to find . -type f -ctime +28 | grep ^etdidnthelp$ |
| 13:22.39 | timgoh0 | You probably want -wholename /etdidnthelp |
| 13:22.43 | warfrog | steampunkey: i am trying to get a straight answer while discussing civilly like adults, as to whether using 'stable' in apt is considered bad or not |
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| 13:23.08 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Or -name etdidnthelp |
| 13:23.11 | pMish | warfrog, bad. and it's well-known |
| 13:23.15 | stew | warfrog: you've gotten an answer. please drop it |
| 13:23.25 | steampunkey | themill, and why is it deprecated? (sry if you said already) |
| 13:23.31 | milligan_ | timgoh0, isn't -name for the filename? I only want to find files from spesific directories. |
| 13:23.53 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Oh, right. |
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| 13:23.55 | timgoh0 | Misread. |
| 13:23.56 | stew | steampunkey: becuase once stable switches from being etch to lenny, you'll start mixing lenny packages with etch, and things will breadk |
| 13:23.58 | themill | steampunkey: because a large upgrade like sarge->etch is non-trivial and frequently must be done in stages. |
| 13:24.09 | warfrog | /ignore */stew* all |
| 13:24.12 | pMish | So, if my sources.list has 'testing', the monent there is version switch, I get automatic distro upgrade ? |
| 13:24.14 | warfrog | do not msg me anymore |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | pMish: it's less of a concern with testing because of its nature |
| 13:24.41 | themill | steampunkey: "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" should always be a safe operation for a stable box -- just picking up security updates. Using stable in your sources.list violates that. |
| 13:24.54 | timgoh0 | milligan_: So you probably want -wholename */etdidnthelp/* assuming that |
| 13:25.08 | steampunkey | themill, stew, but why stable in particular? Should then "testing" be removed as well? |
| 13:25.09 | milligan_ | timgoh0, cheers. |
| 13:25.10 | timgoh0 | / is your directory seperator. |
| 13:25.15 | warfrog | suwro> jelly: ok release notes and announcements that 3.1 is no longer the stable release - moved to 4.0 - I haven't seen any "DONT use stable in apt - this is the reason WHY NOT" - have you? |
| 13:25.33 | abrotman | i told you why .. about 15 minutes ago |
| 13:25.34 | themill | steampunkey: it's not as dangerous, but frequently is not what you want anyway. |
| 13:25.49 | timgoh0 | warfrog: Go ahead and do it. Do it on a public facing machine. |
| 13:25.54 | steampunkey | themill, how do you mean? |
| 13:25.57 | timgoh0 | Do tell us where it is though. |
| 13:26.01 | stew | steampunkey: no, staying with testing after a release is fine, since at the point when testing is released, a new testing is created that is EXACTLY the same as the testing got released, and then starts to gradually change. its not like the abrubt change that happens with stable |
| 13:26.02 | warfrog | where are your release notes themill |
| 13:26.05 | timgoh0 | We'd love a laugh. |
| 13:26.06 | pMish | what is name after lenny ? |
| 13:26.13 | stew | warfrog: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | pMish: squeeze |
| 13:26.28 | milligan_ | timgoh0, also .. how can I make the search recursive? I have a directory where I _know_ there are files that are several months old. If I run this command on the top dir, these files aren't listed with -ctime +28 ... |
| 13:26.30 | warfrog | other than the 'surprise upgrade' argument |
| 13:26.40 | pMish | abrotman, are you kidding ? |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | !tell pMish about squeeze |
| 13:26.50 | warfrog | if one is using it for a desktop at home, 'public facing machine' huh? |
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| 13:27.01 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Isn't it already recursive? |
| 13:27.07 | pMish | so lenny = 5.0 and squeeze=6.0 ? |
| 13:27.15 | warfrog | squeeze? |
| 13:27.20 | themill | pMish: number TBA. |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | pMish: the version number hasn't been decided yet |
| 13:27.20 | milligan_ | timgoh0, it seems so.. which is why I'm wondering why it's not finding the files in one of my directories... |
| 13:27.27 | stew | pMish: whether squeeze is 6.0 or 5.5 or 5.1 is yet to be determined |
| 13:27.37 | abrotman | votes for -4.7 |
| 13:27.40 | timgoh0 | milligan_: And when you do find -ctime +28 in that directory, it appears? |
| 13:27.47 | milligan_ | timgoh0, nope |
| 13:27.52 | steampunkey | stew: I'm not sure I understand. I thought it all just passes unstable->testing->stable->oldstable. So I don't see, if I can jump from testing that became old to a new testing, why not from stable to stable? |
| 13:28.05 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Is it really older than 28 days? |
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| 13:28.18 | voltage` | way to go firefox, haha in windows it's auto checked to be default browser now lol I love it |
| 13:28.25 | themill | steampunkey: have you read the release notes for sarge->etch that tell you all the steps you need to complete to safely complete that upgrade? |
| 13:28.36 | timgoh0 | So cd path/to/dir; find . -ctime +28 gives nothing? |
| 13:28.41 | timgoh0 | milligan_: ^^ |
| 13:28.51 | stew | steampunkey: becuase when testing becomes stable, its not that unstable becomes testing, its that testing is duplicated, one copy becomes stable, and the other copy becomes testing, then the testing copy SLOWLY changes by getting new packages from unstable |
| 13:29.22 | milligan_ | timgoh0, result from ls -al: -rw------- 1 xx xx 9026 2008-08-04 14:46 file.name |------------| result from find: find /some/path/. -type f -ctime +28 -> empty |
| 13:29.40 | steampunkey | stew: hmmm. |
| 13:30.13 | milligan_ | timgoh0, date returns Tue Oct 21 15:29:56 CEST 2008, so that's fine. |
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| 13:30.25 | steampunkey | stew: so it's a matter of.... how fast packages come? (stable all at once, testing one by one) |
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| 13:31.12 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Humor me, does the file show up in find . -ctime +10? |
| 13:31.14 | warfrog | ok so the only good reason to even have 'stable' would be if someone really needed to use that repository to grab something they needed cross-distro, and not to retrieve upgrades from it |
| 13:31.17 | milligan_ | timgoh0, is there any default to the depth maybe? |
| 13:31.21 | warfrog | updates.. w/e, |
| 13:31.26 | stew | steampunkey: yes, and that in the time between releases, things change drastically enough that one should be following the procedure in the releease notes (which is never as simple as "run dist-upgrade") in order to move from one release to another |
| 13:31.36 | milligan_ | timgoh0, nothing at +10 either. |
| 13:31.39 | themill | steampunkey: if you've been tracking stable over the last year, you got a new version of perl, a new version of dpkg and a new python (amongst other things). You only got them one at a time and they were messy at times. If you do etch->lenny, you'd get them all at once and would have a mess if you didn't follow certain steps. |
| 13:31.46 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Did you not just say that immediately in the same directory, the file DOES NOT show up? |
| 13:31.51 | warfrog | but in that case 'omg its so hard.. i cant remember if it was lenny or if it was etch.. if only we had this 'stable' moniker' |
| 13:32.00 | warfrog | you guys say its left there for 'historical reasons' |
| 13:32.13 | warfrog | if its so bad then the admins at debian.org should remove the 'stable' symlink from the repo |
| 13:32.22 | warfrog | i just wonder why they dont then.. |
| 13:32.32 | milligan_ | timgoh0, Doesn't show in the same dir either, with a find . |
| 13:32.42 | timgoh0 | milligan_: I'd fsck. |
| 13:32.52 | timgoh0 | I'm scared now. |
| 13:32.52 | steampunkey | stew, themill: I understand. Funny, I always thought stable was the primary/"most important" repo of Debian. So it's actually harder for server adminst than me to upgrade. o.O |
| 13:33.10 | milligan_ | timgoh0, live server :-\ |
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| 13:33.19 | abrotman | steampunkey: relative importance is subjective .. IMO stable is the more important |
| 13:33.21 | unstable | How do I find out what keymap I'm using right now? |
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| 13:33.28 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Is there a symlink somewhere in there? |
| 13:33.40 | stew | steampunkey: yes, upgrading from one release to another is definately hardest. "/msg dpkg release notes" and read through chapter 4 to see what the sarge->etch upgrade looked like |
| 13:33.51 | milligan_ | timgoh0, nope |
| 13:33.51 | timgoh0 | milligan_: find . -L doesn't reveal it either? |
| 13:34.10 | milligan_ | find: invalid predicate `-L' |
| 13:34.11 | warfrog | i just grabbed 'stable' in apt-get, its there |
| 13:34.15 | warfrog | just to make sure |
| 13:34.16 | themill | steampunkey: it's great in that several years go by with eseentially no changes. That's what's really good about stable. You then have a lot of work to do for a major upgrade; but you're not trying to track a moving target where things break every day. |
| 13:34.31 | milligan_ | timgoh0, there are no links though. All hard files. |
| 13:34.31 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Oops. find -L . |
| 13:35.06 | milligan_ | find -L . in that dir lists all the files |
| 13:35.08 | steampunkey | themill, hehe ok. stew: will do. |
| 13:35.34 | timgoh0 | milligan_: But find . doesn't? |
| 13:35.37 | timgoh0 | Strangeness. |
| 13:35.46 | milligan_ | timgoh0, find . also lists all the files. |
| 13:36.52 | timgoh0 | 21:32 < milligan_> timgoh0, Doesn't show in the same dir either, with a find . |
| 13:37.11 | milligan_ | timgoh0, find . -ctime +28 |
| 13:37.26 | warfrog | ok... the ONLY legit reason for having it i can see is in the case of someone that always uses and updates with 'testing', but occationally needs to grab the previous version of something from 'stable', that way they dont have to keep changing their lists, assuming they flagged apt to not retrieve updates from 'stable', that way they could just set it and forget it |
| 13:37.33 | milligan_ | timgoh0, I went to the directory I know there are older files in. |
| 13:37.36 | warfrog | i am satisfied now |
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| 13:37.51 | warfrog | since no one could give me a sensible rationalle i had to resolve my own cognitive dissonance |
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| 13:38.27 | unstable | How can I find out if my laptop keyboard is usb, or PS2 or what? |
| 13:38.42 | timgoh0 | milligan_: OK. Humor me. touch -d 10/10/07 test |
| 13:38.44 | warfrog | but if its bad and unsafe, they should take it out, what are they worried about, bad pr from people that dont know any better because they 'expect it to be there'? |
| 13:38.49 | timgoh0 | find . -ctime +28 |
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| 13:39.56 | stew | warfrog: if you think they should remove it, http://lists.debian.org/debian-project would be the place to bring it up |
| 13:40.15 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Err, I see the problem. |
| 13:40.16 | milligan_ | timgoh0, [root@x dir]# touch -d 10/10/07 test §---§ [root@x dir]# find . -ctime +28 §---§ [root@x dir] |
| 13:40.25 | timgoh0 | milligan_: You mean find . -ctime -28 |
| 13:40.32 | timgoh0 | I feel dumb now. |
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| 13:41.13 | timgoh0 | blames magnets. |
| 13:41.34 | milligan_ | timgoh0, hoho .. why - though? Did the + imply I was looking for files from the future ? |
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| 13:41.53 | timgoh0 | milligan_: It means more recent. |
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| 13:42.01 | timgoh0 | 28 days or more recent. |
| 13:42.10 | timgoh0 | s/or/ago or/ |
| 13:42.30 | milligan_ | that ought to list a bunch of files then. I have files from today in the same directory. |
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| 13:42.37 | lodder | Is possible to do an installation using a existinglvm2 vg |
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| 13:43.46 | jamon | lodder: try debootstrap into it |
| 13:43.46 | jelly | lodder: make that an existing lv, and sure ;-) |
| 13:43.46 | lodder | yes I can creat lv |
| 13:43.49 | milligan_ | timgoh0, -28 is listing files from today. |
| 13:43.56 | jelly | grub doesn't handle booting from one, though, your /boot will likely have to reside outside of the vg |
| 13:44.22 | lodder | with the debian cd installer ? |
| 13:44.29 | lodder | jelly: isn't it possible |
| 13:44.47 | milligan_ | timgoh0, err, scratch that .. might be my fault. one sec. |
| 13:44.53 | jelly | no idea, I'm no good with the installer |
| 13:45.33 | milligan_ | timgoh0, yeah. -28 lists a file with this date 2008-10-09 .. that's not 28 days or older. |
| 13:45.37 | lodder | jelly: grub can't work with boot ? |
| 13:45.40 | psycodad | good afternoon, can somebody recommend (preferrably) a debian package to monitor basic system parameters like load, temp, disk status etc. ? |
| 13:45.46 | lodder | I mean on lvm |
| 13:46.05 | jelly | lodder: afaik, yes, it can't |
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| 13:46.40 | codeblue | Hello everyone |
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| 13:46.49 | Steve[cug] | morning everyone |
| 13:46.57 | lodder | jelly: k I thought it was possible |
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| 13:47.06 | jamon | jelly, lodder, grub2 can do lvm boot (I think) |
| 13:47.17 | lodder | well I have lenny |
| 13:47.18 | Steve[cug] | Has anyone had any experiences getting a Dell SAS 5/E Card working properly? |
| 13:47.18 | milligan_ | timgoh0, I'm having more luck using mtime .. I think I might have it down |
| 13:47.22 | jamon | but that doesn't help with lenny |
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| 13:47.36 | codeblue | Im having major problems with rTorrent, Its not sending the correct stats to my trackers, Ill googled all yesterday but couldent find any help |
| 13:47.40 | Steve[cug] | I keep getting errors like the following: Oct 21 03:36:54 nfs2 kernel: [ 266.076553] end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 32 |
| 13:47.57 | codeblue | Anyone who can help me plz pm |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | ask here |
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| 13:48.25 | codeblue | I did ask |
| 13:48.40 | timgoh0 | milligan_: Oh yes, ctime, atime and mtime are different things. |
| 13:49.28 | codeblue | also is there a way to force rTorrent to announce every 20-30mins |
| 13:49.31 | timgoh0 | -> sleep |
| 13:49.47 | jamon | psycodad: modify this to suit: |
| 13:49.48 | jamon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:50.20 | codeblue | :( |
| 13:50.34 | codeblue | anyone? |
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| 13:51.28 | psycodad | jamon: ty, i was looking for a package that does nice rrd graphs and monitors raid and stuff too but didn't find anything, so I will resort to some shell-fu calling all the utilities and assembling a web page from it. |
| 13:51.37 | mhymn | codeblue: join #rtorrent |
| 13:51.55 | codeblue | ohh i dident even know there was a rt chan |
| 13:52.04 | codeblue | ty |
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| 13:52.16 | jamon | psycodad: not sure about temps, but munin will do the rest |
| 13:53.25 | jamon | you might be able to use lm-sensors with rrd for temp graphs |
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| 13:53.41 | the-dude | munin does temps aswell |
| 13:54.00 | jamon | excellent |
| 13:55.12 | psycodad | jamon, the-dude, ty I will look into that and test it |
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| 13:59.02 | unstable | Anyone know a keylogger than works with laptop/usb keyboards? |
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| 13:59.46 | unstable | I tried lkl, and it doesn't work with non-ps2 keyboards, and I tried uberkey, and that makes some keys go twice, some keys sporadically don't work, etc. |
| 13:59.59 | unstable | Is there anything that works well? for usb keyboard/laptop keyboard |
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| 14:03.44 | asulao | !spy |
| 14:03.44 | dpkg | We're watching you... |
| 14:03.47 | asulao | xD |
| 14:03.51 | geek | lol |
| 14:04.07 | geek | ahh there |
| 14:04.11 | geek | got a DNS server up |
| 14:04.17 | geek | the joys of procrastination ;p |
| 14:04.41 | geek | has gotten DNS and SMB working cause i don't feel like dealing with an IRC services conf file ;p |
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| 14:06.09 | asulao | sorry unstable for the joke. don't know about any keyloggers myself |
| 14:08.08 | JPT | what are you trying to find out ? |
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| 14:12.20 | pobega | Would it be possible to setup an encrypted partition with my free 500MB of space, and copy things like my GPG key to it? I don't know if GPG will like being somewhere besides /home/user though |
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| 14:19.12 | stew | pobega: gpg accepts a --homedir option |
| 14:19.13 | unstable | JPT: I just want to log everything I do on my machine. |
| 14:19.29 | JPT | hmm... |
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| 14:19.49 | jamon | unstable: try this :p http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/keyboard_sniffing_attack/ |
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| 14:20.46 | JPT | you could also rewrite the shell you're using... |
| 14:20.57 | unstable | That probably cost thousands of dollars, and that is probably illegal. |
| 14:21.12 | unstable | I just want some simple working software to execute on my own machine. |
| 14:21.12 | jamon | or just dump data from the device in /dev/ |
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| 14:21.25 | unstable | jamon: dump what? |
| 14:21.55 | pobega | What's the best cryptographic algorithm? I mean, obviously the best is speculative, btu what's good for a small partition holding minimal data? |
| 14:22.29 | unstable | !tell pobega about aes |
| 14:22.38 | jamon | unstable: well, my keyboard is /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd |
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| 14:23.23 | unstable | /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd |
| 14:23.26 | jamon | try running od on the device, or im sure there's a way to capture keycodes straight to text |
| 14:23.27 | unstable | You think that is my keyboard? |
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| 14:23.39 | jamon | no, that is my keyboard, i don't know anything about your keyboard |
| 14:23.53 | unstable | Well that file exists, is what I'm saying. |
| 14:24.17 | unstable | jamon: http://rafb.net/p/MaPZrM85.html |
| 14:24.22 | jamon | well, run od on it, voila, keylogger! |
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| 14:25.20 | Computor | Can someone tell me what went wrong here? http://pastebin.ca/1232812 |
| 14:25.31 | Computor | What else do I need to do? |
| 14:25.39 | unstable | jamon: od /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd >> /root/logs.txt |
| 14:25.44 | unstable | Will that work? |
| 14:26.11 | jamon | won't be in text, od is octal by default |
| 14:26.52 | stew | judd: versions samba |
| 14:26.55 | judd | stew: samba: 3.0.24-6etch10 (etch) 3.0.24-6etch10 (etch-security) 2:3.2.3-3 (lenny) 2:3.2.4-1 (sid) |
| 14:27.06 | jamon | just an example, all you want to do is capture data from that device unstable |
| 14:27.10 | stew | Computor: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy samba winbind" ? |
| 14:27.14 | chuck | How do I make it so mysql isn't run on startup anymore? |
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| 14:27.33 | nkuttler | chuck: man update-rc.d, rcconf, etc |
| 14:27.42 | stew | chuck: aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:27.57 | Computor | stew, 3.0.24 is currently installed |
| 14:28.04 | Computor | http://pastebin.ca/1232813 |
| 14:28.20 | Computor | I want to install a different versions. I am having issues with this version. |
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| 14:28.43 | stew | Computor: where did you get this other version? what issues? |
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| 14:29.22 | Computor | This other version came from samba.org and these other issues are explained here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/samba-server-is-slow-675516 |
| 14:29.59 | unstable | jamon: Is there an od option to dump as ascii? |
| 14:30.17 | stew | Computor: you should file a bug with samba.org then, this package is buggy. it should be marked as Replaces: winbind. You'll need to either remove winbind or install winbind from samba.org as well |
| 14:30.18 | Computor | sorry stew try this link instead http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/132488-samba-server-slow.html#post634497 |
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| 14:30.53 | Computor | What do you mean it should be marked as Replaces: winbind? |
| 14:31.29 | stew | Computor: Replaces is the package relationship that one declares when you replace files in some other package |
| 14:31.41 | stew | Computor: it should be in the samba control file |
| 14:32.23 | stew | Computor: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
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| 14:34.48 | pumpkin0 | my flat-bed scanner is unsupported by sane. Are there any alternative scanning libs i should look at or can i give up now? |
| 14:35.20 | sveajobb | Hi, I'm looking for a debian-"dist" which runs a pretty new kernel and not 2.6.18 + amd64.. anyone know of such a dist? |
| 14:35.33 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: debian "lenny" |
| 14:35.40 | geek | sveajobb: lenny or sid |
| 14:35.40 | stew | sveajobb: what about 2.6.24? |
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| 14:35.51 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: or etchandahalf |
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| 14:36.06 | geek | actually, my install of lenny is on 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 14:36.26 | stew | sveajobb: the current etch installers have 2.6.24: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 14:36.27 | tdawgedogg | guys i downloaded amd 64 version of debain dvd 1 and its not bootable |
| 14:36.28 | funky | 'lo |
| 14:36.34 | tdawgedogg | anyone know why |
| 14:36.37 | warfrog | DBAN etch-a-sketch, something new on the console everyti.. err nvm |
| 14:36.40 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, I downloaded my current netboot from the lenny site ( I think) but I got a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 14:37.02 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: current lenny installcd is 2.6.24 |
| 14:37.07 | funky | is it normal that after every single reboot I got a new mac address for my ethernet card? this is quite annoying, because the udev rule renames everytime the interface to ethX |
| 14:37.08 | warfrog | i got off to a really bad foot w/ deb for some reason at first, fails on install, even etch everything, dm-crypt borked my partition |
| 14:37.09 | stew | OpenTokix: no, its 2.6.26 |
| 14:37.13 | warfrog | it was almost like bad karma i had to burn off |
| 14:37.19 | mhymn | tdawgedogg: MD5 problem? high writing speed? ... |
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| 14:37.20 | sveajobb | I need a netboot aswell I'm afraid |
| 14:37.28 | sveajobb | having some big trouble getting the scsi cdrom working |
| 14:37.30 | warfrog | after i got it goin ive rarely had a prob since that wasnt my fault, |
| 14:37.30 | tdawgedogg | the name of the image is Debian 4.0 r4a amd64 bin-1 |
| 14:37.36 | tdawgedogg | is this not the install cd for debian |
| 14:37.38 | OpenTokix | stew: not the installer |
| 14:37.44 | OpenTokix | stew: installer beta2 is 2.6.24 |
| 14:37.50 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:37.57 | warfrog | i did have an install mess up recently, right after gnome was taken out of lenny cd-a |
| 14:38.01 | Computor | Where are the control files? stew |
| 14:38.03 | warfrog | cd-1, in the weekly build |
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| 14:38.21 | stew | OpenTokix: yes, but the weeklies and dailies are 2.6.26 |
| 14:38.42 | OpenTokix | stew: ok, havent seen a link posting from any of you here for the weekly or daily yet. |
| 14:38.45 | stew | Computor: in the control.tar.gz or in debian/control in the source package |
| 14:39.06 | warfrog | second boot, errors scrollin down the console at a fast rate, grabbed the then newer weekly build, installed a secodn time brought me back to console login prompt, i was like fsck! |
| 14:39.17 | warfrog | then i did startx and i realized my system was good that time |
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| 14:39.19 | warfrog | :D |
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| 14:39.22 | stew | OpenTokix: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:39.27 | stew | !tell warfrog about enter |
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| 14:39.31 | trupheenix | can anyone help me with cross compiling deb? |
| 14:39.44 | OpenTokix | stew: /msg dpkg try-follow-the-thread-of-discussion |
| 14:39.45 | trupheenix | i want to build it from scratch w/o using OE |
| 14:40.07 | stew | OpenTokix: if you "/msg dpkg d-i' you will get a link with weeklies and dailies |
| 14:40.16 | OpenTokix | stew: I don't want it |
| 14:40.27 | stew | OpenTokix: why are you saying "stew: ok, havent seen a link posting from any of you here for the weekly or daily yet." |
| 14:40.39 | abrotman | stew: sing sunday |
| 14:41.14 | OpenTokix | stew: As I said, try follow the thread of discussion |
| 14:41.19 | warfrog | occationally have the installer give me a big red FAIL msg, or a screwy system, but it is rare |
| 14:41.26 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, thanks, I'll check that out :) |
| 14:41.39 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: yw! |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using beta2 anymore |
| 14:41.59 | stew | OpenTokix: why are you saying "stew: ok, havent seen a link posting from any of you here for the weekly or daily yet." |
| 14:42.01 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: That cd will get you the 2.6.24, but you can get info about daily builds by /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:42.13 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, ah, I saw that was a netinst and not a netboot you wouldn' happen to know of a link to a netboot aswell ? |
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| 14:42.27 | abrotman | sveajobb: as stew has been saying .. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:42.28 | tdawgedogg | ? |
| 14:42.34 | stew | sveajobb: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 14:42.39 | warfrog | i rarely need to reboot deb, unless i'm installing lots of stuff, sometimes it needs to be rebooted twice to get everything going |
| 14:42.48 | tarzeau | will debian address http://www.videolan.org/security/sa0809.html ? |
| 14:42.52 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/daily/ <-- this is the daily for the netboot etc. |
| 14:42.57 | Computor | stew its a binary package. This means I will have to install a source pacakge? |
| 14:43.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: submit a patch ? |
| 14:43.14 | tdawgedogg | can someone answer my question? |
| 14:43.17 | steampunkey | sox: you said you used sox to cut wave files. please, can you tell me the exact how, because all I get is silence (I used trim like you said) |
| 14:43.18 | stew | Computor: no, you need to install a winbind package from them of the same version, or you need to remove winbind if you can |
| 14:43.22 | steampunkey | *stew. sry |
| 14:43.23 | deus___ | howdy guys |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's also what .. max two weeks old ? |
| 14:43.24 | warfrog | browser keeps closing, try to configure gdm, it keeps closing and going back to the login screen, sometimes it needs a second reboot to get all the services going |
| 14:43.24 | deus___ | sup |
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| 14:43.33 | abrotman | nix that .. not even a week |
| 14:43.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: 3 days |
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| 14:43.48 | stew | sveajobb: what version of debian are you trying to install? do you want stable with 2.6.24 or 2.6.26? or do you want to run testing? (which would not be recommended for a server) |
| 14:43.55 | stew | warfrog: do you have an actual question? |
| 14:43.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: so i think you know how this works .. firstly you're asking the wrong people |
| 14:44.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, never done that |
| 14:44.24 | stew | tarzeau: is there a bug filed? |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask the maintainer or the security team .. or check debsecan or the tracker of doom |
| 14:44.31 | steampunkey | stew: I have. |
| 14:44.35 | Computor | This is much more complicated that I would like it to be. |
| 14:44.39 | warfrog | heh |
| 14:44.53 | sveajobb | stew, I'm just trying to install a version that will work :) I just bought this server for work and it has some weird sata-controller card and scsi cdrom, I've tried a couple of different versions of debian and got combinations of cdrom workin/not working and sata controller card working/not working :) |
| 14:44.53 | steampunkey | stew: you said you used sox to cut wave files. please, can you tell me the exact how, because all I get is silence (I used trim like you said with "rec") |
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| 14:45.10 | tdawgedogg | i have a dvd labeled debian 4.0r4a amd 64 Bin-1...is this the right install cd for debain because it wont boot from cd? |
| 14:45.22 | sveajobb | stew, but it seems to work now with a link to lenny .. must have downloaded the wrong netboot before or something |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | tdawgedogg: what is your CPU? |
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| 14:45.30 | tdawgedogg | core2duo |
| 14:45.37 | stew | sveajobb: if it is for a server, don't use testing, use etch. the etchnhalf installer will use a 2.6.24 kernel for installing: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 14:45.39 | abrotman | should be fine |
| 14:45.50 | et | if the dvd was burned right ;) |
| 14:45.54 | abrotman | tdawgedogg: is it for a workstatoin or serveR? |
| 14:45.55 | warfrog | how hard would it be to make a VM that could use gfx card directly, acceleration and everything, as far as i know vmware still doesnt do that |
| 14:45.55 | et | would not depend on labels |
| 14:46.01 | tdawgedogg | burned the image...verified fine... |
| 14:46.05 | tdawgedogg | workstation |
| 14:46.13 | abrotman | warfrog: ask the people that wrote your vm software |
| 14:46.14 | tdawgedogg | i threw in a suse 11 and it booted fine |
| 14:46.25 | sveajobb | stew, well it's for a development server so I guess it'll be fine with testing, hopefully :) |
| 14:46.25 | tdawgedogg | but i threw in this dvd image and it wouldnt boot |
| 14:46.34 | tdawgedogg | im thinking i downloaded the wrong one or something |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | tdawgedogg: moment |
| 14:46.43 | warfrog | are there no linux vms that do this |
| 14:46.57 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | tdawgedogg: i'd go with the netinst from above |
| 14:47.09 | steampunkey | tdawgedogg, try opening iso as you would archive, and there will be instructions how to check DVD integrity in the README (or something). come back when you establish if the DVD is ok. |
| 14:47.13 | et | stew: if he has a motherboard like mine, the sata-controller needs 2.6.26, so etch does not work |
| 14:47.14 | Computor | stew I purged winbind with aptitude and apt-cache policy samba winbind output is still the same |
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| 14:47.33 | stew | steampunkey: if you want to cut all but 5 seconds from the wav starting after the 3rd second, then run "sox inputfile.wav outputfile.wav trim 3 5" |
| 14:47.48 | steampunkey | stew: thank you very much, will try. |
| 14:47.48 | sveajobb | freaking ..... ... ***... ! |
| 14:47.51 | stew | et: does he have a motherboard like yours? |
| 14:48.09 | sveajobb | I tried with lenny uname reports 2.6.24-1 , but it won't find the disk controller |
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| 14:48.14 | binarymutant | has anyone here done the 5-second boot yet? |
| 14:48.17 | warfrog | some old cds/dvds will hash different every time you read them i've learned |
| 14:48.30 | abrotman | oxdeadedd: stop already |
| 14:48.32 | stew | Computor: then show me the error you got when you purged winbind. you must have gotten an error if the apt-cache policy shows winbind as still being installed |
| 14:48.34 | steampunkey | tdawgedogg, if it doesn't check out, then try downloading a "netinstall" instead. takes less to download, and you get up to date sys. |
| 14:48.38 | warfrog | it does happen |
| 14:48.39 | sveajobb | any suggestions the specifications says "Raid 0,1 incl. LSI RAID Stack, ICH 9R" |
| 14:48.43 | abrotman | steampunkey: that's what i just gave him .. |
| 14:48.51 | OxDEADEDD | ? |
| 14:48.55 | OxDEADEDD | Okay |
| 14:48.56 | OxDEADEDD | Sorry |
| 14:48.58 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: OCH9R is fakeraid |
| 14:49.00 | OpenTokix | ICH |
| 14:49.02 | steampunkey | abrotman, oh. sry... |
| 14:49.16 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, please define fake raid? :) |
| 14:49.16 | et | stew: "it has some weird sata-controller and tried different versions of debian and got weird combinations of working/notworking" sounds like it. |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | sveajobb: it's like a winmodem |
| 14:49.34 | stew | et: oh, what sata controller does he have? |
| 14:49.39 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, I did some settings in something that looked like a sata-controller card bios |
| 14:50.02 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: /msg dpkg fakeraid |
| 14:50.12 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: yeah |
| 14:50.16 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: but its fake |
| 14:50.20 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: very confusing |
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| 14:50.32 | warfrog | i need to look into getting a proper IDE controller or HDD driver or something too, i seem to have performance issues when it comes to multitasking and sharing the disk |
| 14:50.39 | et | not the same as me - he has a different chipset, but the problem description sounded familiar ;) |
| 14:50.42 | Computor | stew I am looking through the terminal output for the aptitude I did. It is marked status p |
| 14:50.42 | warfrog | unless this is just an ext3 thing |
| 14:51.08 | OpenTokix | warfrog: areca-controllers is nice, if you run 2.6.24+ |
| 14:51.10 | codeblue | hello I used adduser --disabled-login rt to create a user is there a way to enable login without remaking the account |
| 14:51.10 | stew | Computor: but apt-cache policy still shows it as installed? |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | OpenTokix: please ignore him |
| 14:51.17 | warfrog | if something is writing to the disk, it makes it nearly impossible to multitask, desktop will lag like crazy |
| 14:51.23 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, aaahh. stupid server :) thanks for the info. so it should all work if I just go out and screw up the bios and reset it ? |
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| 14:51.30 | codeblue | or to get screen working on that account |
| 14:51.35 | Computor | Yes stoffepojken |
| 14:51.37 | Computor | stew |
| 14:51.39 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: just put normal sata-function and go softwareraid |
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| 14:51.49 | OpenTokix | abrotman: ignore who? warfrog? |
| 14:51.50 | warfrog | im running 2.6.26.1 maybe ill try that |
| 14:51.54 | voltage` | Anyone know how to make ddclient start? |
| 14:51.56 | Computor | http://pastebin.ca/1232832 |
| 14:52.04 | voltage` | it uses pearl |
| 14:52.08 | sveajobb | OpenTokix, thanks, trying it now |
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| 14:52.14 | OpenTokix | sveajobb: yw |
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| 14:52.18 | stew | Computor: that doesn't sound right. can you show me the output of "apt-cache policy samba winbind" and show me the result of your trying to install the newer samba with winbind purged? |
| 14:52.30 | Computor | sure |
| 14:52.48 | codeblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.48 | tdawgedogg | whats the difference between amd64 and ia64? |
| 14:52.54 | warfrog | i just never had desktop lag that bad for multitasking on windows, i assume its the controller unless ext3 is known for performance issues with regard to multitasking |
| 14:53.25 | OpenTokix | tdawgedogg: ia64 is the special intel itanium-line of cpu's |
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| 14:53.42 | OpenTokix | tdawgedogg: amd64 is the 64-bit normam core2/amd64 style 64-bit |
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| 14:53.48 | OpenTokix | normam == normal |
| 14:53.59 | warfrog | writing single files has comperable speed, even with encrypted LVMs, only when multitasking does the desktop lag |
| 14:54.11 | OpenTokix | warfrog: Question: Are you using the build in audiocard on the motherboard? |
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| 14:54.19 | stew | !tell warfrog about ask |
| 14:54.23 | abrotman | OpenTokix: yes, please do ignore him |
| 14:54.24 | Computor | http://pastebin.ca/1232835 |
| 14:54.27 | OpenTokix | abrotman: oki |
| 14:54.33 | OpenTokix | abrotman: aye aye captain |
| 14:54.37 | Computor | stew, should I purge samba from aptitude? |
| 14:54.47 | warfrog | OpenTokix: i am using alsa drivers i think, for audigy series soundblaster |
| 14:54.56 | OpenTokix | warfrog: ok |
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| 14:55.09 | OpenTokix | No idea *check* |
| 14:55.29 | warfrog | ? |
| 14:55.35 | enouf | warfrog: try mounting with noatime |
| 14:55.38 | stew | Computor: oh, its not still installed, so the problem now is that it is conflicting with samba-common, so you'd have to do the same with samba-common, but note that if you purge samba-common, it might take all your configuration with it, so you might want to remove it instead of purging it |
| 14:55.54 | warfrog | ill try that |
| 14:56.15 | warfrog | i'll just write a large dummy file or something |
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| 14:56.22 | codeblue | I used adduser --disabled-login rt to create a user is there a way to enable login without remaking the account, or to make "screen" work on that account as thats what im after |
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| 14:57.04 | sveajobb | .....I will seriously kill this server.. |
| 14:57.31 | warfrog | noatime i didn't think of that, that may have been what i was looking for for an unrelated reason as well |
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| 14:57.59 | stew | codeblue: you should be able to enable login on the accoutn by changing its password and shell to both be vaild |
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| 14:59.17 | gothenburg | Hi |
| 14:59.28 | keith4 | does anyone have a guess why performance through my apt-cacher is an order of magnitude worse from anywhere other than localhost? |
| 14:59.32 | gothenburg | I'm using ddclient for updating my dns. |
| 14:59.45 | gothenburg | but wildcard doesn't work |
| 14:59.47 | codeblue | thanks stew |
| 14:59.48 | gothenburg | "www." |
| 14:59.53 | codeblue | didnt add a shell |
| 15:00.57 | codeblue | what is the default shell on ubuntu |
| 15:00.59 | codeblue | ??? |
| 15:01.06 | enouf | maybe dash |
| 15:01.13 | codeblue | /bin/sh |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | codeblue: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:01.18 | enouf | i dunno for sure, ask them |
| 15:02.07 | gothenburg | Bash |
| 15:02.28 | codeblue | ok that didnt work either |
| 15:02.31 | gothenburg | Ubuntu and Debian have /bin/bash as default |
| 15:02.39 | codeblue | basiclly I need screen to work |
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| 15:02.47 | abrotman | codeblue: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:02.57 | codeblue | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
| 15:02.57 | codeblue | ^^^ thats the error i get when i type screen |
| 15:03.00 | gothenburg | Men jävla ddclient+wildcard |
| 15:03.04 | sveajobb | for crying out loud |
| 15:03.07 | codeblue | screen works on my other accounts |
| 15:03.15 | gothenburg | codeblue, #ubuntu |
| 15:03.20 | gothenburg | codeblue you are in #Debian |
| 15:03.27 | codeblue | is a general linux question |
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| 15:03.31 | enouf | nope |
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| 15:03.39 | abrotman | codeblue: then ask ##linux .. we do not support ubuntu users |
| 15:03.43 | Computer | stew it depends on samba-common of the same version which depends on more packages of other versions. Is there an easy way to install an alternative version of a package like samba without killing myself??" |
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| 15:03.52 | Yourname` | Hi, is there a document I could read that would let me install Debian over FreeBSD remotely via SSH? |
| 15:03.53 | sveajobb | I went into the bios and set sata raid to disabled and also saw that there were 2 sata disks connected as in an ordinary bios... but the debian won't find any disks. |
| 15:03.58 | codeblue | ok then tell me as tho i was using screen on debian |
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| 15:04.09 | codeblue | jeez |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | codeblue: this is not amusing, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 15:04.11 | stew | Computer: do they not provide a repository you could use apt-get with? |
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| 15:04.37 | geek | Yourname`: you want to replace freebsd with debian/ |
| 15:04.40 | geek | ? |
| 15:04.43 | Yourname` | geek: Yes |
| 15:04.47 | Computer | That's a good question |
| 15:04.48 | abrotman | !tell Yourname` about debootstrap |
| 15:04.59 | steampunkey | enouf: do you receive PM's? |
| 15:05.09 | enouf | steampunkey: depends |
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| 15:05.34 | Mr_O | hi |
| 15:05.44 | sveajobb | hmm.. the installer also complains about modules not loaded and asks me if I want to continue or not |
| 15:05.47 | Yourname` | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap -> Is it AS EASY as it looks on that page? |
| 15:05.52 | Computer | Maybe I will just uninstall my operating system. |
| 15:06.01 | Yourname` | abrotman: Basically it tells me to download debootstrap to the linux system and run it, lol.. |
| 15:06.04 | gothenburg | Yourname`: Why do you want to install Debian instead? |
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| 15:06.19 | abrotman | Yourname`: i'd read more of the instructions .. but roughly |
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| 15:06.51 | guysoft42 | hey all, how can i check in the rules file (in make) if i am running as root? |
| 15:06.51 | Yourname` | gothenburg: Is that really a question to my question or an answer to my question? A bit offtopic, doncha think? :) |
| 15:07.03 | enouf | generally no, but from regulars, i will most times - stop that please steampunkey |
| 15:07.18 | Yourname` | abrotman: lol ok, I think it's like install it in a paritition, etc. Can I get a full blown debian on the whole HDD remotely via debootstrap? |
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| 15:07.29 | geek | Yourname`: though if something went wrong, you might be in a wee bit of trouble. personally i'd do a trial run on a VM first ;p |
| 15:07.37 | steampunkey | enouf, can your highness answer please then |
| 15:07.39 | enouf | steampunkey: are you concerned with the "radeon vs radeonhd" factoid? |
| 15:07.49 | enouf | answer what? |
| 15:08.09 | Eulex | Yourname`, first you get a chroot with debian in it, then you replace the running system with it with some tinkering. if you have a separate partition to put it on, that's one way. |
| 15:08.11 | enouf | !factinfo radeon vs radeonhd |
| 15:08.12 | dpkg | radeon vs radeonhd -- created by enouf <n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> at Fri Oct 10 21:56:14 2008 (10 days); last modified at Sun Oct 12 21:47:45 2008 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 10 times, last by enouf, 23h 59m 26s ago. |
| 15:08.13 | steampunkey | enouf why it spells your nick instead of my old one |
| 15:08.24 | enouf | that is odd - are you paxcoder? |
| 15:08.29 | steampunkey | yep |
| 15:08.32 | Yourname` | geek: lol no kidding eh |
| 15:08.37 | enouf | and why aren't you using your nick? |
| 15:08.47 | Yourname` | Eulex: Oh great. So debootstrap isn't really as cool as it looks. |
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| 15:09.01 | steampunkey | enouf, irrelevant. explain why the factoid is incorrect. |
| 15:09.01 | gothenburg | What is the problem with debian and dns wildcards? |
| 15:09.05 | geek | Yourname`: it probably is ok as a installation of last resort ;p |
| 15:09.18 | Eulex | Yourname`, it gets you a chroot with debian in it. |
| 15:09.21 | Yourname` | geek: Sadly. |
| 15:09.35 | Yourname` | Eulex: Yeah, and that's where I build out of? |
| 15:10.01 | enouf | steampunkey: oh, i recall - you posted a bad URL, so to alter it, i had deleted the old and replaced it with the same exact text, except for a working URL - but i never wanted credit for the factoid - apologies |
| 15:10.21 | Eulex | Yourname`, well, all you need to do after that is to get it onto a separate partition, and install a boot loader and configure it to boot it -- and off you go. |
| 15:10.23 | steampunkey | enouf, but the link wasn't bad |
| 15:10.26 | enouf | steampunkey: please alter that .. somehow .. i didn't realize the implications |
| 15:10.33 | enouf | steampunkey: yes it was |
| 15:10.35 | enouf | it was broken |
| 15:10.48 | steampunkey | enouf, i checked it after you told me. it worked |
| 15:11.00 | enouf | steampunkey: not here |
| 15:11.32 | enouf | steampunkey: please just recreate the factoid, would you like me to tell you how? i will now PM you ;-) |
| 15:11.58 | enouf | steampunkey: i don't accept PMs from non-Registered nicks though |
| 15:12.09 | steampunkey | enouf, ok |
| 15:12.17 | enouf | better |
| 15:12.51 | vadmeste | enouf, i didn't know that you accept PM even from registered nicks |
| 15:13.09 | enouf | vadmeste: depends whom it is ;-) |
| 15:13.27 | vadmeste | enouf, i know |
| 15:13.29 | paxcoder | vadmeste, he has a list: "abrotman, stew, themill" XD |
| 15:13.41 | vadmeste | yeah.. exactly.. |
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| 15:13.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:14.08 | paxcoder | realized he called people |
| 15:14.11 | vadmeste | abrotman, are you ok ? |
| 15:14.16 | paxcoder | ungh.. nothing. |
| 15:14.46 | themill | are we back there again? |
| 15:15.10 | abrotman | paxcoder: just freaking drop it .. |
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| 15:15.36 | paxcoder | abrotman, what do you care man? |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | paxcoder: i'm going to ask the factoid be permanently locked if you don't |
| 15:15.57 | vadmeste | you men, you should have a IA program that drops any msg that doesn't belong to you |
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| 15:16.45 | Computer | This has taken too long. I am installing a different version of Debian. |
| 15:16.48 | Computer | It's not worth the headache |
| 15:17.41 | vadmeste | forgets he is in debian channel.. |
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| 15:20.21 | smacnay | I just installed the 2.6.26 kernel image and notice that on each reboot, and notice that sound does not work as well as it did before. I need to run alsaconf and set up my soundcard for it work. I am not sure if the pc speaker is being loaded first or what. Any suggestions to get the real sound card working on first boot? |
| 15:20.32 | geek | Computer: which one are you on now, and which one do you want? |
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| 15:21.20 | cahoot | smacnay: try asoundconf |
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| 15:22.12 | stew | smacnay: compare the output of lsmod before and after you run alsaconf. from that figure out what you need to blacklist: /msg dpkg blacklist (probably the speaker) and what you need to have loaded automatically, and list those in /etc/modules |
| 15:22.36 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
| 15:22.46 | smacnay | cahoot: ran it and will see how it works on reboot |
| 15:22.48 | smacnay | brb |
| 15:22.49 | Computer | geek etch --> lenny |
| 15:22.57 | enouf | Come to think of it now - a while back, i've done that 'delete/replace factoid thing' because i couldn't either a) remember the proper syntax to edit correctly .. or b) tried anyway, and seriously messed it up .. So; to all out there to whom i've affected by my dumbassness - please forgive me (my intentions were certainly non-malicious) thanks |
| 15:23.02 | Computer | lenny is testing right? I hate code names |
| 15:23.06 | geek | Computer: ahh |
| 15:23.08 | geek | yeah |
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| 15:23.24 | geek | etch = stable lenny = testing |
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| 15:24.39 | paxcoder | enouf, np. the only real side effect is that abrotman now hates me, along with some other people (thus the nick chg). abrotman, I don't hate you :-) (blink, blink) |
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| 15:24.54 | abrotman | funny .. you're not showing that |
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| 15:26.21 | Neaai | I'm using debian lenny. When I doubleclick directories each opens in its own window. Is there a way to change that and make them open as in when right-clicking and selecting "browse folder" ? |
| 15:26.29 | enouf | misunderstandings are so underrated :-p |
| 15:27.08 | Neaai | In Gnome that is. |
| 15:27.15 | enouf | Neaai: that's entirely WM and DE dependent |
| 15:27.27 | enouf | well, ok - so in Nautilus? |
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| 15:27.43 | enouf | i use neither Neaai , so i can't say |
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| 15:28.19 | enouf | Neaai: try /msg dpkg gnome |
| 15:28.24 | Neaai | enouf: it's nautilus. I can do as is, but it's just a nuisance to right click everytime. I'm asking in #gnome as well. |
| 15:28.37 | enouf | and go visit the gnome specific channels - also try in ##linux |
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| 15:29.10 | smacnay | OK, rebooted after running asoundconf and setting my sound card as default - same issue (I also left a web cam with sound on it plugged in) and had three devices load. Time to blacklist a module. |
| 15:29.13 | enouf | Neaai: (if nobody here chimes in) |
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| 15:29.43 | Neaai | enouf: will do that |
| 15:29.48 | smacnay | snd_pcsp |
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| 15:30.08 | enouf | !bell |
| 15:30.08 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 15:30.48 | th0ger | How do i search for uninstalled packages (in the repositories) including a specific file? |
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| 15:31.20 | Neaai | th0ger: in X I use synaptic |
| 15:31.46 | warfrog | i always sue synaptic |
| 15:31.46 | th0ger | ...with dpkg / apt-* or aptitude please |
| 15:31.57 | warfrog | i trust it better than raw apt-get |
| 15:32.03 | enouf | th0ger: you have private repos setup as well as official debian mirrors? first "dpkg -l | grep ^pn" (maybe?) i can't even test that - or can i |
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| 15:32.41 | enouf | th0ger: well, that grep would only grab pkgs removed with --purge remove |
| 15:32.43 | th0ger | just det debian repos |
| 15:33.39 | enouf | th0ger: look at the dpkg header output - you can figure out now what to grep for - but, to find a file that's not installed - use apt-file |
| 15:33.52 | enouf | !tell th0ger -about apt-file |
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| 15:34.28 | th0ger | enouf: thank you |
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| 15:38.06 | smacnay | hehe - blacklisting has never worked here. I followed the instructions from dpkg (adding "blacklist snd_pcsp") to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local. And reran the initramfs to refrash blacklist tables. No luck. |
| 15:38.18 | smacnay | Is there some specific way to enter the module name? |
| 15:39.11 | smacnay | I am trying to blacklist snd_pcsp and wrote that exactly. |
| 15:39.15 | smacnay | caps? |
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| 15:39.49 | Orbixx | Simple question. What's the default terminal font? |
| 15:39.54 | smacnay | do I need the ".ko" on the end? |
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| 15:41.16 | stew | smacnay: no, that is the right syntax. see if pcsp is mentioned anywhere else in /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 15:41.30 | smacnay | stew: thanks - will check |
| 15:41.48 | enouf | smacnay: it might not need to be blacklisted in initramfs, just regular should do, IIRC |
| 15:42.07 | Yourname` | Thanks guys! |
| 15:42.17 | smacnay | stew: this also happened when I tried forever to blacklist nvidiafb and rivafb. Nothing worked. |
| 15:42.20 | enouf | smacnay: IOW, use the /blacklist file, and ensure it's not listed in /etc/modules |
| 15:42.22 | pumpkin0 | can somebody recommand a still-available, cheap, office USB scanner that works under lenny? |
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| 15:43.08 | smacnay | stew: I found it in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 15:44.27 | smacnay | stew: at the bottom of that file, it is listed to "not" be loaded as first soundcard. |
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| 15:45.35 | smacnay | I also see that the via82xx (my main card) is listed the same way. |
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| 15:46.09 | cahoot | pumpkin0: I've understood epsons are generally (histrically) best supported |
| 15:46.28 | squidly | anyone know of a way to convert between 32bit debian and 64bit debian with out having to do a full reinstall? |
| 15:46.36 | enouf | heh |
| 15:46.51 | abrotman | squidly: can't |
| 15:47.03 | squidly | abrotman: didnt think so. but I was hopeing |
| 15:47.37 | enouf | squidly: a VM or a chroot/debootstrap isn't going to be good enough? |
| 15:47.47 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: yes, i have heard about epson and hp. I'm currently powling libsane, but the list contains a lot of really old, no-longer-available scanners. Oh well, let's try my luck... |
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| 15:48.11 | squidly | enouf: it's a db server |
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| 15:48.21 | squidly | so we cant do anytype of vm with it. |
| 15:48.22 | enouf | oh well - just a thought |
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| 15:48.43 | swa | pumpkin0, generally anything HP is supported |
| 15:48.49 | smacnay | enouf: thanks - I will try that as well |
| 15:49.11 | efaistos | do you know where you can change the proxy information you enter during the installation ? |
| 15:49.14 | efaistos | which file to edit ? |
| 15:49.25 | smacnay | enouf: the syntax for the blacklist file is "install snd_pcsp /bin/true" - correct? |
| 15:49.35 | squidly | the db server get's hit pretty hard. Good idea thought I thought of that too. What I may do is try to build it in a vm and then grab the package list |
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| 15:50.10 | enouf | smacnay: i use "blacklist snd-pcsp" |
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| 15:50.20 | nomatter001 | hi |
| 15:50.21 | enouf | or is it, snd_pcsp |
| 15:50.25 | pumpkin0 | swa: every time somebody sayes that i get that one unsupported model they still build. OK, so it is epson or HP. Thanks guys. |
| 15:50.37 | nomatter001 | does anyone here know if its possible to run debian on the new mac book pro? |
| 15:50.47 | smacnay | enouf: thanks - will try that |
| 15:50.49 | stew | enouf: its snd-pcsp but i'd hope that either works |
| 15:50.53 | enouf | nomatter001: should be - see wiki.debian.org |
| 15:51.15 | enouf | stew: yes, i've noticed how - and _ are both seen/noticed/used for various module things |
| 15:51.20 | nomatter001 | enouf: there is only information for the older ones as i can see |
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| 15:51.40 | enouf | nomatter001: oh, ok - hrm .. offhand, i do not know much then |
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| 15:52.06 | enouf | nomatter001: anything in /msg dpkg laptop (URLs) |
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| 15:52.24 | enouf | erm, follow the URLs, that's not part of the factoid |
| 15:52.33 | smacnay | enouf: trying a reboot... |
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| 15:53.22 | gothenburg | Why doesn't .htaccess works? |
| 15:53.35 | gothenburg | Invalid command 'RewriteRule', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 15:54.44 | stew | gothenburg: using apache2 or apache? assuming apache2, run "a2enmod rewrite" |
| 15:55.09 | torr | what does one do if he want two or more servers to be identically configured? |
| 15:55.15 | nomatter001 | enouf: bad luck just infos about the older versions |
| 15:55.27 | torr | without shutdowns? |
| 15:55.39 | efaistos | nobody for my question ? |
| 15:55.45 | nomatter001 | enouf: what i'm afraid of is the new thing that apple has 2 graphic cards on it |
| 15:55.52 | torr | is there an automated way to do it? |
| 15:56.04 | stew | efaistos: /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:56.09 | enouf | nomatter001: is there a #macbook (related) channel? How about scanning debian-user @ lists.debian.org |
| 15:56.10 | gothenburg | stew: Thank you. |
| 15:56.30 | binarymutant | torr, image the hard drive?... or copy your /etc/ files and just install the same daemons |
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| 15:56.45 | efaistos | stew: thanks |
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| 15:57.59 | smacnay | enouf: hmm, still loaded but it didn't steal the default soundcard position |
| 15:58.02 | torr | binarymutant, image requires reboot no? and copying etc files doesn't cover installations :/ |
| 15:58.02 | nomatter001 | enouf: i asked at a #apple channel and they told me the following: GPU selection is handled by EFI and the MCP chip in the newest MBPs |
| 15:58.07 | enouf | torr: without shutdown? that presumes there's various installs, etc - if you wanted to do such, from say one server, and copy that over to new installation - perhaps systemimager |
| 15:58.16 | nomatter001 | enouf: but noone there has tried it with linux on the new mbp |
| 15:58.44 | enouf | nomatter001: nvidia MCP i gather - and EFI would need bootcamp/yaboot/whatever? |
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| 15:59.14 | enouf | nomatter001: can you get any distro to boot it? try livecds, start there - see which modules are loaded for working devices |
| 15:59.43 | nomatter001 | enouf: i have no mbp, i want to make sure that linux works on it before i buy one |
| 15:59.49 | enouf | nomatter001: grab output of lspci -nn (or use lscpi and lspci -n), and dmesg, and lsmod |
| 16:00.00 | nomatter001 | enouf: thats the problem why i cant test stuff myself |
| 16:00.03 | enouf | hehe .. ok oh well |
| 16:00.14 | binarymutant | torr, image does require reboot, but copying the files doesn't |
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| 16:00.24 | enouf | nomatter001: walk into the Apple Store with various newer LiveCDs in hand ;-) |
| 16:00.29 | nomatter001 | enouf: i don't want to buy a that expensive notebook and then find out that my favourite sys isn't running ^^ |
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| 16:01.07 | nomatter001 | enouf: might be a possibility but maybe i would have problems cause today i asked at the apple store phone for linux support and the woman didn't understand what i want to do |
| 16:01.07 | binarymutant | torr, you could make a bash script to sudo apt-get whatever server daemon you need I guess |
| 16:01.54 | nomatter001 | enouf: so maybe i will have to wait some time until others tried it out |
| 16:01.56 | enouf | nomatter001: you likely called India or China :-p |
| 16:02.12 | nomatter001 | enouf: sadly it was austria ... |
| 16:02.29 | petemc | it doesnt matter who you call in apple, they wont support or probably even acknowledge linux |
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| 16:03.09 | torr | binarymutant, apparently what enouf said is about that |
| 16:03.21 | nomatter001 | thats the bad thing. i like the hardware but how they deal with linux... |
| 16:03.22 | hramrach | Hello |
| 16:03.33 | hramrach | how do I disable pcspkr? |
| 16:03.37 | petemc | nomatter001: what do you expect? |
| 16:04.04 | nomatter001 | petemc: nothing... but i would like the same support for linux dualboot with bootcamp like for windows |
| 16:04.06 | hramrach | it's now handled by pcspkr_platfor or somesuch which is compiled-in so it cannot be unloaded |
| 16:04.13 | enouf | hramrach: /msg dpkg bell |
| 16:04.20 | binarymutant | torr, I dont think there is any other way to do it without reboot |
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| 16:05.40 | enouf | oh wait - did i make a factoid? hrm .. |
| 16:05.43 | enouf | pcspkr |
| 16:05.46 | enouf | !pcspkr |
| 16:05.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pcspkr is the device that makes an annoying BEEPing sound from within your computer (usually a piezo spkr, attached to the Motherboard). Add "blacklist pcspkr" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to kill it -- and/or "blacklist snd_pcsp" since 2.6.26 kernels - ask me about <bell> Sometimes "alsamixer" will have/show a PC Speak[er] slider/option for controlling it as well. |
| 16:05.57 | enouf | apparently, i or someone did :-P |
| 16:06.53 | hramrach | hmm, I can turn down the pcspkr sound coming from the sound card but not the one coming from the case speaker |
| 16:06.55 | enouf | hramrach: got all that? |
| 16:07.14 | enouf | just blacklist it |
| 16:07.25 | hramrach | yes, I will try unloading the new module. Thanks |
| 16:08.21 | enouf | dpkg: pcspkr is also Ensure that /etc/modules does not contain any modules you're blacklisting |
| 16:08.21 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 16:08.47 | hramrach | although it would be nicer if it was possible to turn off the case speaker and still have the beeps from the soundcard that can be turned down or muted by the mixer |
| 16:08.59 | smacnay | does the kernel autoload all modules it can first or does udev do that? |
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| 16:09.20 | enouf | hramrach: i've never heard of a beeping sound card |
| 16:09.22 | DocMAX | anyone got wireless-n on debian? |
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| 16:09.32 | jelly | hm, why use the existing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist instead of putting the line in a local one |
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| 16:09.40 | hramrach | enouf: many onboard cards do |
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| 16:10.04 | enouf | hramrach: not AFAIK, but i'm not going to argue about it |
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| 16:10.55 | pts0 | how can i make my system reboot when the NIC is unplugged or a host is unreachable |
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| 16:11.53 | enouf | jelly: IINM, /blacklist file is older/original?, but if anything named /blacklist* in /etc/modprobe.d/ works, by all means, use that |
| 16:12.05 | jelly | enouf: any file in the directory works |
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| 16:12.45 | binarymutant | pts0, ctrl+alt+del ? sudo reboot? |
| 16:12.51 | enouf | righto - thought so - and now, there's bazillions in there |
| 16:12.52 | pts0 | no i mean in a script |
| 16:13.18 | jelly | puts crap in /etc/modprobe.d/local |
| 16:13.38 | bw\ | pts0: /etc/init.d/if-down.d/ might be a start |
| 16:13.52 | pts0 | thanks |
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| 16:14.13 | pts0 | /etc/network you mean |
| 16:14.51 | gothenburg | Mysigt, now my community works again |
| 16:14.55 | steampunkey | is Debian the only distro with /dev/tcp (and udp) disabled? |
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| 16:15.16 | moodog | evening all |
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| 16:21.45 | Steve[cug] | Anyone here happen to have any experiences with Multipathing Dell SAS 5/E Controllers? |
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| 16:25.20 | binarymutant | efaistos, nm-applet? |
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| 16:31.27 | TheFiller | Is it possible to download & use proprietary codecs in Debian? |
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| 16:31.48 | TheFiller | like DivX and what not. |
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| 16:32.43 | themill | dpkg: tell TheFiller about dmm |
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| 16:34.48 | TheFiller | themill: seems like dpkg does not like me |
| 16:34.53 | TheFiller | oh |
| 16:34.55 | TheFiller | private message, sorry |
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| 16:42.47 | Steve[cug] | ls |
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| 16:44.06 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:44.28 | binarymutant | hiya! |
| 16:44.31 | J_P | people, is possible to use killall using like this ? killall -15 ".Server_*" ? |
| 16:44.57 | binarymutant | I think it only goes to -9 |
| 16:45.03 | J_P | I would like killall all process initiate with .Server_* because I have .Server_01, .Server_02 and so one.. |
| 16:45.14 | binarymutant | killall -9 .Server_* |
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| 16:45.23 | J_P | binarymutant: ok |
| 16:45.51 | J_P | binarymutant: .Server_*: no process killed |
| 16:46.03 | J_P | binarymutant: But i Have many that.. If i put entire name works |
| 16:46.22 | binarymutant | J_P, whats the application your trying to stop? |
| 16:46.38 | J_P | binarymutant: my owner app |
| 16:46.50 | binarymutant | idk what that is |
| 16:46.53 | J_P | binarymutant: I tjhink that * not works with killall |
| 16:47.00 | J_P | binarymutant: is a socket server |
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| 16:47.26 | binarymutant | do: ps x and see from there the name of the app |
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| 16:48.46 | J_P | binarymutant: name of app is .Server_01, Server_02. If I do: killall -9 .Server_01 works.. but killall -9 .Server_* not works.. |
| 16:49.13 | binarymutant | your probably right on the killall not working with wildcards |
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| 16:50.08 | J_P | binarymutant: are there other method to kill with mask (*) ? |
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| 16:51.14 | binarymutant | J_P, the only way I can think of doing it is with a script... but that doesn't help very much |
| 16:51.41 | enouf | jelly: try pcspkr factoid now |
| 16:52.07 | Y2K38 | hi guys my iceweasel looks really bad on kde4.1. Tried installing gtk-qt-engine on testing but system settings doesn't have any gtk settings |
| 16:52.16 | Y2K38 | on 3.5 it ran fine |
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| 16:53.07 | Nazcafan | hello, which app would you recommend for ripping DVD into divx format? (preferrably with a nice gtk front end)? |
| 16:53.21 | enouf | J_P: how about pkill? |
| 16:53.54 | J_P | enouf: humm I will try |
| 16:54.08 | nabax | uhm |
| 16:54.25 | nabax | anybody familiar with installing an armel arch debian? |
| 16:54.32 | nabax | on a beagleboard |
| 16:54.33 | binarymutant | whoa pkill and regex veery nice |
| 16:54.37 | nabax | or whatever device |
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| 16:56.12 | mhymn | Nazcafan: dvd::rip |
| 16:56.35 | mhymn | Nazcafan: btw use xvid instead of divx ;) |
| 16:56.52 | Nazcafan | isn't it a perl application? |
| 16:56.55 | cr3rzemjest | hi why does 'xset m 4/5' in .xsession doesn't work for KDE? i thought this config/script file is for Xorg in general. |
| 16:57.13 | cr3rzemjest | lol@2xdoes |
| 16:57.33 | mhymn | Nazcafan: yup |
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| 16:59.57 | Nazcafan | mhymn: and does it have a nice gui frontend? |
| 17:00.13 | mhymn | Nazcafan: yes dude, check google |
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| 17:00.38 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:00.50 | Nazcafan | mhymn: my bad, you are right |
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| 17:01.29 | mhymn | Nazcafan: for debian version go to http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 17:01.38 | DexterF | ran "file" on a disk img I drew from a router/fw disk (m0n0wall, silent channel). file claims "UFS, unix file system" but won't read it, says corrupted. anyone familar with this who can give pointers? |
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| 17:01.58 | Nazcafan | mhymn: I am getting trouvle right now with the different versions of libavcodec |
| 17:03.53 | Nazcafan | mhymn: there kind of conflicts between debian repositories and debian multimedia |
| 17:03.59 | Nazcafan | mhymn: are those solved? |
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| 17:04.40 | mhymn | Nazcafan: dunno, everything is fine here in etch |
| 17:04.51 | Nazcafan | mhymn: I use lenny |
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| 17:06.07 | Nazcafan | mhymn: I still have trouble, vlc won't read certain files if I use debian-multimedia repositories |
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| 17:09.48 | Nazcafan | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:09.48 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 17:10.13 | Orbixx | Simple question. What's the default terminal font? |
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| 17:11.20 | mhymn | Nazcafan: For now mencoder, mplayer-nogui, transcode and xvidcap aren't installable in Lenny. <-- from the homepage |
| 17:11.39 | Nazcafan | mhymn: no, actually, there is another buf |
| 17:11.41 | Nazcafan | bug |
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| 17:11.57 | Nazcafan | some packages have the same name on different repos |
| 17:12.02 | Nazcafan | one in official |
| 17:12.10 | Nazcafan | and one in debian multimedia |
| 17:12.35 | Nazcafan | this leads to some files not being readable anymore with vlc when the debian multimedia version of the packages is installed |
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| 17:13.35 | mhymn | anyway, dvdrip depends on transcode and if transcode isn't installable in Lenny then ... |
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| 17:16.58 | mhymn | Orbixx: you mean the terminal in Gnome? |
| 17:17.17 | Orbixx | Correct. |
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| 17:18.02 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to see the whole IP address when using "netstat -n" ? |
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| 17:18.10 | mhymn | Orbixx: ask #gnome |
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| 17:25.57 | damjan | magyar_: try "netstat -n | cat" |
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| 17:26.27 | OxDEADED | I would use lspci |
| 17:26.30 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:27.23 | OxDEADED | hey |
| 17:27.35 | OxDEADED | type this cd / |
| 17:27.40 | OxDEADED | then sudo rm -r * |
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| 17:29.11 | oklinux | Im looking for a docking apps any recommendation ? |
| 17:29.20 | Gm4n | OxDEADED: sudo: command not found |
| 17:29.33 | simonrvn | Gm4n: don't |
| 17:29.37 | mhymn | oklinux: all tray? |
| 17:29.47 | oklinux | what is all tray ? |
| 17:29.57 | simonrvn | OxDEADED: how about i recommend you for getting your ass kicked out of the channel? |
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| 17:30.11 | themill | !ops OxDEADED is telling people to rm stuff |
| 17:30.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: OxDEADED is telling people to rm stuff |
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| 17:30.23 | simonrvn | oops, already done |
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| 17:30.34 | magyar_ | damjan, no go I still get "tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:206.248.137.:143 ::ffff:142.162.18:60099 ESTABLISHED" |
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| 17:30.39 | simonrvn | ;). thanks |
| 17:30.41 | themill | thanks, abrotman |
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| 17:30.55 | damjan | magyar_: well? whats wrong? |
| 17:31.00 | abrotman | OxDEADED: Do not give out destructive instructions, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 17:31.32 | mhymn | oklinux: alltray actually, for minimizing apps to tray |
| 17:31.33 | teratoma | just kick him |
| 17:31.35 | magyar_ | damjan, do you see the full ip address? |
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| 17:31.51 | magyar_ | what is tcp6? |
| 17:32.00 | magyar_ | is it IPV6 connection? |
| 17:32.04 | teratoma | though the other day i accidentally typed rm / , and it refused to! yay |
| 17:32.05 | simonrvn | TCP on IPv6 |
| 17:32.31 | magyar_ | simonrvn, why is imap on ivp6? |
| 17:33.01 | simonrvn | ask your set up, not me |
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| 17:34.14 | oklinux | what about wbar mhymn ? |
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| 17:34.57 | mhymn | no clue! |
| 17:35.09 | spersaud | sometimes my kernel freezes ie playing videos ... |
| 17:35.36 | spersaud | on startup I notice it halts for a while, then it says done, sometimes I do ctrl+c .. should I not do that ? |
| 17:35.43 | spersaud | its 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:35.49 | simonrvn | magyar_: here's a clue: quite often, daemons nowadays listen on both protocols, if they support it |
| 17:35.52 | spersaud | anyone ever notice this happening ? |
| 17:35.53 | oklinux | so what do you recommand mhymn ? I want floating docking . |
| 17:36.50 | mhymn | well, i thought you mean minimizing to tray |
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| 17:37.14 | simonrvn | spersaud: not a good idea. best to let it run; however, running that job afterwards is better than nothing if it's safe to do so. much preferred action is to figure out why it's taking a while. |
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| 17:42.44 | Neaai | I was just about to install the java jre1.6.0_07 from the java.com site. I downloaded, extracted, created the link to the .so file at /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ and still not working. What can be wrong ? |
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| 17:44.28 | binarymutant | Neaai, have you tried getting it from the repo? |
| 17:44.28 | simonrvn | Neaai: install it from debian. /msg dpkg java |
| 17:44.46 | OxDEADED | d |
| 17:44.57 | spersaud | simonrvn: its basically freezes, I stopped pressing ctrl+c at startup ... |
| 17:45.28 | spersaud | !tell Neaai about java |
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| 17:45.56 | Neaai | binarymutant: simonrvn: I'll do that eventually. But I was expecting this to work, some almost one year ago I did the same and it just worked. |
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| 17:46.35 | spersaud | Neaai: its better to do it through debian, you think the other way is better for some reason, get jdk6 |
| 17:46.37 | binarymutant | Neaai, well Sun doesn't cater to debian exclusively but the repo does :) |
| 17:47.12 | spersaud | Neaai: or rather jre6 ....... if you're not a developer |
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| 17:48.16 | Neaai | spersaud: binarymutant: I see. No I'm just a user. But it seems strange though. I'll get the one at the repo though. Yet this is too odd to be let to go, in a way. |
| 17:48.53 | spersaud | Neaai: it means you are creating the link incorrectly thats all ... |
| 17:50.52 | Neaai | spersaud: I just checked. It's good. at least to me. |
| 17:51.54 | Neaai | libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /home/enkel/java/jre1.6.0_07/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so (sorry for pasting, it's just one line) |
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| 17:55.17 | mhymn | !away |
| 17:55.17 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 17:55.45 | cr3rzemjest | is there any aptitude log with more verbose information? |
| 17:55.57 | Neaai | I'll just get the sun-java6-plugin package. That's all I need for the browser. |
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| 17:56.18 | cr3rzemjest | because i'd like to know why my pc doesnt like me |
| 17:56.27 | Neaai | Or is there anything non-Sun? Any recomendations ? |
| 17:56.36 | GAYBOBDOLL | Computers are stupid |
| 17:57.00 | mhymn | cr3rzemjest: beside /var/log/aptitude ? |
| 17:57.08 | cr3rzemjest | mhymn, yes |
| 17:57.51 | stew | GAYBOBDOLL: do you have a debian related question? |
| 17:58.12 | GAYBOBDOLL | yes, but dpkg can answer, thanx |
| 17:58.24 | stew | GAYBOBDOLL: if you don't have a question for the channel, please keep quiet. thanks |
| 17:58.35 | GAYBOBDOLL | what did i say ? |
| 17:58.54 | cr3rzemjest | i've read in man update-rc.d to use 'bum' instead. so i type in 'aptitude install bum' and guess what? it wiped out ALL KDE APPS!! "REMOVING KDE-CORE , REMOvING eVERYTHING" etc. wut the hell?!?1 |
| 17:59.09 | cr3rzemjest | i'll just kill myself. |
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| 18:01.59 | jamon | not to be a jerk, but unless you used aptitude -y, you'd have been show a list of packages to be removed/installed first cr3rzemjest |
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| 18:02.40 | oklinux | have any one here try puppy linux ? |
| 18:02.57 | Akuw | urgent |
| 18:03.01 | stew | oklinux: asl #puppylinux |
| 18:03.16 | stew | ^asl^ask |
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| 18:03.49 | Akuw | i have a samba server, but yesterday i create 5 network conections, then the next day when i check the windows machines, all network connections disappear |
| 18:03.56 | Neaai | Installing sun-java6-plugin from the repos at non-free still doesn't have the plugin show in iceweasel. |
| 18:03.57 | Akuw | i think is a samba related problem |
| 18:04.30 | cr3rzemjest | jamon, sorry but it it a little program (170kb) and i didn't expect at all this would happen, and i don't read dependecies when i install anything, because i've never had a reason to do so |
| 18:04.35 | cr3rzemjest | *is |
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| 18:05.25 | cr3rzemjest | aptitude is weird, i'll never use it again |
| 18:05.26 | stew | cr3rzemjest: reinstall whatever was removed that you want to keep |
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| 18:05.44 | jamon | kde is under Tasks -> End-user -> KDE desktop environment in aptitude so you can reinstall that way |
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| 18:05.54 | Neaai | I checked the links apt has made installing java jre and the plugin. They seem correct. |
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| 18:06.51 | jamon | Neaai: try "update-alternatives --config java" and see what's listed there? or is this just an iceweasel java thing? |
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| 18:07.02 | cr3rzemjest | stew, but this was like 1000 lines long list of librarys and apps |
| 18:07.40 | stew | cr3rzemjest: there is a log in /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:08.03 | stew | Neaai: update-java-alternatives is better than update-alternatives in this case |
| 18:08.06 | Neaai | jamon: For me it is /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java the default. I have 3 options and this is option 2. |
| 18:08.19 | jamon | stew: didn't know about that one, cool |
| 18:08.41 | stew | jamon: yeah, it sets ALL of the java alternatives at once, which is more alternatives than one would expect |
| 18:09.46 | jamon | heh, java? i expect the unexpected :p |
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| 18:10.06 | oklinux | hey dudeman Hypavisah . |
| 18:10.15 | Neaai | stew: idiotic question: how to call update-java-alternatives , with what parameters ? |
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| 18:10.51 | stew | Neaai: first call it with --list, then call it with --set, "man update-java-alternatives" |
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| 18:11.53 | SyntaXe | Okey now, I've just messd up my mysql, its not going anywere. I've googled, but cant find a solution. |
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| 18:12.11 | stew | SyntaXe: how do you know it is messed up? |
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| 18:13.43 | SyntaXe | I wanted to reset the hole thing. But ended up deleting /var/lib/mysql. |
| 18:13.58 | SyntaXe | and now /etc/init.d/mysql repons with an error |
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| 18:14.32 | binarymutant | SyntaXe, reinstall it :/ |
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| 18:14.39 | SyntaXe | How...? |
| 18:14.49 | binarymutant | synaptic is your best bet |
| 18:15.00 | binarymutant | apt-get is mine :) |
| 18:15.14 | SyntaXe | I dont run X |
| 18:15.20 | binarymutant | apt-get |
| 18:15.28 | binarymutant | or aptitude |
| 18:15.31 | Neaai | stew: Neither of the two alternatives I tried to set, (java-gcj, java-6-sun) works. |
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| 18:16.46 | SyntaXe | apt-get remove --purge mysql-server | apt-get remove -f mysql-server or anything, when I install it again, its just repons with "ERROR: The partition with /Var/lib/mysql is too full" no mater how I try to "remove" it |
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| 18:17.14 | jelly-home | SyntaXe: have you tried... cleaning up the partition? |
| 18:17.16 | binarymutant | :/ |
| 18:17.23 | stew | SyntaXe: note that mysql-server is just a meta-package, the real pacakges are mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-common |
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| 18:17.56 | SyntaXe | So how can I fix this mess? |
| 18:18.04 | stew | SyntaXe: perhaps "aptitude autoclean" would free up the needed space? |
| 18:18.06 | binarymutant | rm some files and free up space? |
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| 18:18.39 | SyntaXe | still too full |
| 18:19.19 | binarymutant | whats df -h say SyntaXe ? |
| 18:19.33 | stew | Neaai: what version of sun-java6-plugin do you have installed? |
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| 18:20.03 | wald0 | what i need to configure in order that my laptop goes to suspend when i close the LID ? |
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| 18:21.19 | SyntaXe | binarymutant: nothing is over 1% if it matters. |
| 18:21.22 | MrJoey | is back (gone 00:27:11) |
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| 18:21.44 | jamon | SyntaXe: du -shm /var/* |sort -n |awk '{print $1 "MB", $2}' will give a list of directory sizes |
| 18:21.51 | Neaai | stew: sun-java6-jre 6-07-4 |
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| 18:22.07 | binarymutant | SyntaXe, got me then :/ plus idk why it would matter how much space you have since your removing instead of adding |
| 18:22.33 | SyntaXe | mhm... now I know why ppl are using windows servers >< |
| 18:22.35 | joaop | there is a program that search for a mirror to me to use in sources.list ? |
| 18:22.37 | Neaai | stew: the jre and plugin bear the same version. |
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| 18:23.01 | binarymutant | who are these people you speak of? |
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| 18:24.30 | stew | SyntaXe: reinstall mysql-common and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:24.46 | stew | SyntaXe: the error is probably not the right error, its probably that /var/lib/mysql doesn't exist at all |
| 18:25.04 | stew | joaop: there is apt-spy and netselect-apt |
| 18:25.50 | SyntaXe | stew: mhm, that was one of my attempts to remove it, deleting that. |
| 18:26.22 | Neaai | SyntaXe: as far as I know that's where the database files are. |
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| 18:27.06 | Neaai | SyntaXe: I mean the data files, not the files of the mysql software per-se |
| 18:27.37 | stew | Neaai: does the plugin you are expecting show up when you goto "about:plugins" in your browser? |
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| 18:28.06 | Neaai | stew: no it doesn't. With any selection of the alternatives, it won't. |
| 18:28.32 | stew | Neaai: which browser are you running? and how did you install it? |
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| 18:29.40 | Neaai | stew: I use iceweasel. This is lenny I'm using, deboostraped from etch 3 days ago. After debootstrap, I did an apt-get install gnome and then that's how I have gotten everything installed, apt-get and synaptic. |
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| 18:34.13 | Nitr0 | is there a way to do a debootstrap installation for etch from sarge ? |
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| 18:35.11 | Neaai | Nitr0: I'd suppose yes. I did deboostrap lenny from etch, I'd guess it's the same procedure in either case. |
| 18:35.16 | spersaud | I have some free space on my disk , which I want to create a partition with ... anyone know how ? |
| 18:35.31 | spersaud | its like 13 gig ..... dont want to add it to current partition as it is before /home |
| 18:35.32 | Neaai | spersaud: use gparted |
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| 18:36.52 | stew | Nitr0: yes, it should work fine, but you'd need to use a newer debootstrap than then one in sarge |
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| 18:37.23 | Nitr0 | ok. how do i install that ? |
| 18:37.46 | spersaud | Neaai: I think you have to install the sun-javaX-plugin package to get it working with your browser ... |
| 18:38.07 | Neaai | Nitr0: apt-get install gparted |
| 18:38.08 | stew | Nitr0: download a .deb from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap and install it with "dpkg -i" |
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| 18:39.21 | Neaai | spersaud: I have: ii sun-java6-plugin 6-07-4 |
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| 18:40.35 | Neaai | spersaud: I have tried a couple of ways. No java seems to work for me. Either repository, either the .bin I get from sun/java site. |
| 18:42.56 | cr3rzemjest | aren't aliases applied to apps run in Xserver? e.g. alias urxvt='/usr/bin/urxvt -geometry 100x30+400+300 -bg black is in my .bashrc, but when i run terminal in ROX it's urxvt with default settings. how to make this work? |
| 18:43.02 | cr3rzemjest | *ran |
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| 18:45.19 | spersaud | whats the meaning of pass column in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 18:45.45 | stew | spersaud: man fstab |
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| 18:46.39 | stew | cr3rzemjest: use .Xresources ; "man X" and read the RESOURCES section and "man xrdb" |
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| 18:48.56 | woden1 | I'm looking for a how-to on installing nvidia driver that is up-to-date for Debian Lenny. Where can I get this info? |
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| 18:51.59 | spersaud | woden1: just install open source , proprietary is worse |
| 18:52.15 | spersaud | woden1: trust me but dont trust me :) |
| 18:53.12 | woden1 | spersaud: open-source 3D isn't working yet |
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| 18:55.12 | Neaai | I installed the nvidia 3d drivers in lenny. nvidia downloader compiled the module for me and it works quite nicely now. |
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| 18:56.14 | stew | but it won't when you upgrade |
| 18:56.15 | et | Neaai: he's gone |
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| 18:57.58 | Neaai | stew: I guess all I'll have to do is rerun the installer for the new module to be created. |
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| 19:01.19 | Neaai | stew: I think the problem with java and iceweasel lies in iceweasel. Epiphany has the plugin working like a charm. |
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| 19:03.31 | mimcpher | woden1, how "up-to-date" does the driver need to be? Can you just install the one debian ships? like just install nvidia-glx and it'll drag in the right stuff, I think. |
| 19:04.00 | Neaai | mimcpher: he's gone |
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| 19:04.31 | stew | Neaai: does /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so exist? |
| 19:04.47 | mimcpher | Neaai, oops. Sucks for him. |
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| 19:05.14 | stew | mimcpher: you can't just install nvidia-glx, you have to build the kernel driver too |
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| 19:05.30 | mimcpher | stew, there's kernel modules in apt. |
| 19:05.35 | mimcpher | Like, prebuilt ones. |
| 19:05.56 | Eulex | mimcpher, if the prebuilt works for your card and kernel. |
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| 19:06.17 | stew | mimcpher: what is the name of a prebuild kernel module for nvidia in lenny? |
| 19:06.19 | Neaai | stew: no it doesn't. But I have another, iceweasel-javaplugin.so there, |
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| 19:06.38 | stew | oh, nm nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 works |
| 19:06.42 | zxcvbs | hi, does any one knows about an open source search engine? |
| 19:06.47 | mimcpher | stew, nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 19:06.49 | mimcpher | Yep. |
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| 19:07.08 | stew | Neaai: what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel-javaplugin.so" return? |
| 19:07.41 | Neaai | stew: Wrong answer. It exists. It's just a link to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so which in turn exists and points to the correct file. |
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| 19:08.10 | Neaai | stew: /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel-javaplugin.so |
| 19:08.46 | stew | Neaai: if "It's just a link to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so which in turn exists and points to the correct file.", then "readlink -f ..." would return the correct file |
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| 19:09.15 | stew | Neaai: are you sure it is a link to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so ? |
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| 19:09.50 | Neaai | stew: That command returns /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel-javaplugin.so |
| 19:10.13 | Neaai | stew: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2008-10-21 20:17 /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 19:10.37 | stew | Neaai: that is your problem then, iceweasel-javaplugin.so shoudl be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so |
| 19:11.01 | gothenburg | How can I change the time with ntpdate? |
| 19:11.32 | chiak | gothenburg: ntpdate name.of.ntp.server |
| 19:11.32 | Neaai | stew: This is how it is. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2008-10-21 20:06 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so |
| 19:11.34 | stew | gothenburg: you shouldn't, /msg dpkg ntpdate |
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| 19:12.05 | Neaai | stew: it seems ok to me. |
| 19:12.25 | Neaai | stew: Epiphany detects it properly. |
| 19:12.26 | stew | Neaai: oh, you said that the file name was /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/iceweasel-javaplugin.so ; what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" return |
| 19:13.10 | Neaai | stew: My mistake before. It shows the correct: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 19:13.38 | Neaai | hmmm.... |
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| 19:15.38 | Neaai | stew: is it possible that iceweasel could be just missbehaving ? |
| 19:16.15 | stew | Neaai: it sounds like it. you are running i386, right? |
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| 19:16.47 | Neaai | stew: yes. uname -a returns: Linux e0-a 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:18:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:17.23 | Neaai | stew: /proc/cpuinfo shows: model name: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz |
| 19:18.48 | Neaai | stew: I was working with this java thing since yesterday, now and then when I had time. It really seems like a craze of iceweasel to me. |
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| 19:21.16 | ``y7 | i'm trying to follow a tutorial on settings up synergy to load before my user login on debian's GUI. in the tutorial, it tells me to find the Xsetup Xsession and Xstartup files under /etc/X11, but there aren't any files by that name in the directory... do I just create the files or am I in the wrong spot? |
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| 19:22.08 | ``y7 | well, i have Xsession, but not Xstartup and Xsetup |
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| 19:23.01 | ``y7 | ls |
| 19:24.13 | Neaai | I'm off. Take care all |
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| 19:24.22 | Neaai | stew: thanks for the help |
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| 19:26.38 | gothenburg | What's the name of the package with compilers? |
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| 19:28.27 | stew | gothenburg: build-essential |
| 19:29.06 | gothenburg | stew: thanks |
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| 19:31.24 | jthomas | anyone know if VirtualBox can play Parallel images ? |
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| 19:32.46 | cr3 | is there a way for root to connect to another user's Xorg session, but not through tcp? (ie, xorg is called with -nolisten) |
| 19:33.29 | dondelelcaro | cr3: yes |
| 19:33.39 | dondelelcaro | cr3: root just needs to have the right cookie and the right display. |
| 19:33.58 | dondelelcaro | cr3: you can do this trivially with XAUTHORITY="/home/userrunningX/.Xauthority" DISPLAY=":0.0" fooapplication; |
| 19:34.14 | dondelelcaro | (or using sux or similar, which does the same) |
| 19:34.24 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: very interesting, I didn't know about this XAUTHORITY thing. I'll give that a try, thanks a lot! |
| 19:34.43 | joaop | there is some dialog program to configure my network like ip addrs and netmask, etc ? |
| 19:35.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell joaop about interfaces |
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| 19:35.35 | zer0q | hello everybody |
| 19:35.56 | joaop | nice, but i dont wanna to search it on google everytime i need it, there is some program to help me with it? |
| 19:36.17 | zer0q | i have a domain controller using samba+gosa+ldap |
| 19:36.18 | pty0 | networkmanager |
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| 19:36.54 | zer0q | but i have problems with copy rights in Windows PC, exist a way to fix it? |
| 19:37.04 | joaop | pty0, it´s a dialong program? |
| 19:37.15 | pty0 | yes |
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| 19:37.49 | joaop | i dont think so |
| 19:38.08 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: worked like a charm, I owe you a coke :) |
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| 19:40.06 | gros_caca_long | does someone use centericq? |
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| 19:40.59 | JPT | why are you asking, isn't it working properly ? |
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| 19:41.33 | gros_caca_long | no. it dont connect to msn using messenger.hotmail.com |
| 19:42.16 | JPT | mhh..ok.... i didn't even know that it was capable of using the msn network.. |
| 19:42.26 | aliesky | i want to restrict the acces to copy in the desktop and My Documents folder |
| 19:42.31 | gros_caca_long | it is supposed to :) |
| 19:43.16 | aliesky | can somebody help me? |
| 19:44.08 | n3kl | There is a My Documents folder on debian? |
| 19:44.24 | aliesky | n3kl: WinXP |
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| 19:44.42 | JPT | try ##windows |
| 19:44.42 | n3kl | aliesky: you might try #windows |
| 19:44.43 | trifler | n3kl: wrong os. though windows documents would be comparable to /home |
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| 19:45.14 | n3kl | trifler: but "/home" != "My Documents" |
| 19:45.51 | trifler | n3kl: well kinda |
| 19:45.59 | aliesky | n3kl: i using a a domain controller using samba+gosa+ldap |
| 19:45.59 | aliesky | n3kl: but i want to restrict the rights to WinXP users |
| 19:45.59 | trifler | as I said above |
| 19:46.59 | n3kl | trifler: i'm with ya, I was just making referece to the seemingly off-topic comment made by aliesky |
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| 19:47.37 | n3kl | aliesky: restrict in what way? Restrict permissions on the samba server, or you want to restrict permissions on the windows machine? |
| 19:48.01 | |Frederik | Is there a way to know which packages are included in a default debian lenny gnome install? |
| 19:48.20 | aliesky | n3kl: i want to restrict permission for the XP users, bt i don know if i need to do it from samba or from XP |
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| 19:49.15 | n3kl | Most likely its a local(XP) permission, not handed out by the server, so this is something you would need to consult #windows for |
| 19:50.15 | aliesky | n3lk: then i need to restric PC by PC for some XP users under a domain with samba? |
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| 19:51.11 | n3kl | aliesky: its a domain controler only in the sense that it processes authentication. That I know of, it will not hand out local permissions, enforece a local security policy, or use any sort of acls. |
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| 19:51.56 | aliesky | n3lk: ok thanks |
| 19:52.16 | xui | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 19:52.16 | xui | User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1 |
| 19:52.20 | xui | how can i troubleshoot this |
| 19:53.41 | n3kl | aliesky: I do believe there is something called a "Fedora Direcotry Server" that is supposed to be doing some pioneering work, but I can't speak on its functions or purpose for providing what you need. |
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| 20:00.34 | clearscreen | Hmmm, I know that RAM is supposed to be used.. But my clean debian install with xfce and only the following apps running: amarok,pidgin,xchat,firefox is using 1.3GB worth of ram. Is this normal? I can't see where all of it is coming from in top |
| 20:03.12 | jelly-home | clearscreen: press capital M |
| 20:03.16 | OxDEADED | http://imagebin.ca/view/35NKing1.html |
| 20:03.20 | clearscreen | M |
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| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | clearscreen: in top! |
| 20:04.32 | torr | is there any addon or something that make unicode control chars visible in editors? |
| 20:05.33 | neoice | where does etch keep the global umask? |
| 20:06.03 | clearscreen | Well there seems to be a lot of fairly useless stuff running that are taking considerable amounts of ram.. stuff like evolution-alarm (60MB).. Also a couple of processes related to KDE even though I dont have it installed |
| 20:06.24 | rwaite | clearscreen: how much ram do you have> |
| 20:06.57 | clearscreen | 2GB, but I'm worried that if I start using ram consuming applications, wont be that fun having 1.3GB taken by default system processes |
| 20:07.11 | jelly-home | clearscreen: you're using amarok built with kde support, it'll start a few extra daemons |
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| 20:07.19 | Heavy-D | Anybody know how to change the default umask of tnftpd? I've tried many other channels and nobody seems to know :( |
| 20:07.33 | rwaite | clearscreen: ram is meant to be used. when you start swapping, then its a problem |
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| 20:08.39 | clearscreen | That's my concern, won't I start swapping when I say, start using some application that needs 800MB worth of ram |
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| 20:08.49 | clearscreen | while 1.3GB of my ram is already used by system processes |
| 20:09.05 | petemc | you needc something real to worry about |
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| 20:10.28 | clearscreen | Oh well, thanks for your time |
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| 20:15.09 | kingsley | Which has better statistical functionality, gnumeric or oocalc? |
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| 20:19.12 | jamon | guessing oocalc3, but you really want gretl & R for stats ;) |
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| 20:23.51 | Jacob_H | Hi everyone. Could anyone help me with a init problem on lenny? After running dist-update today, my system isn’t booting properly, and the services (e.g. apache and the ssh server) are not being started during the boot process. It’s also not shutting down cleanly due to a problem with terminating all the processes in the lowest run level. I haven’t touched any of this myself, so I wonder if something has changed with the way debian is handling init? O |
| 20:23.52 | Jacob_H | r is there something else I’m missing? |
| 20:24.09 | \amethyst | scale only affects division and mod anyway |
| 20:24.25 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:24.43 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:24.57 | abrotman | Jacob_H: you're running testing/unstable on a server? |
| 20:24.59 | sandman | apt-build claims in its README.Debian file that it is, indeed, using the flags it has been set to use (even though it doesn't look like it). It goes on to say that you may verify this by using px ax | grep gcc, and looking at those lines. Well, I did, and the lines from ps ax | grep gcc _also_ look like it's not using the flags I told it to. Looks like it's using -mtune=generic, when I wanted it to use -mtune=k8-sse3. Not only this, but I had s |
| 20:25.55 | Jacob_H | abrotman: no, it’s my desktop, so the network stuff is just for communicating between various boxes in my house |
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| 20:26.17 | abrotman | "desktop" means nothing .. which version of debian does it run ? |
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| 20:27.02 | Laeborg|Lap | hello |
| 20:27.17 | Laeborg|Lap | where can i change 800x600 to a higher one in kde ? |
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| 20:28.11 | jelly-home | sandman: "Not only this, but I had " <-- cut off there |
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| 20:28.43 | Jacob_H | abrotman: sorry, I thought you were telling me off, for using testing/unstable in a production enviroment! :) Anyway, it’s running lenny, except, now that I think of it, one package, libetpan-dev, which came from experimental |
| 20:28.58 | abrotman | Jacob_H: i noticed there was a perl update today i believe |
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| 20:30.16 | sandman | "...superceded that flag by adding -march=native to the configuration. That also is not there. BTW: I've only used dpkg-reconfigure apt-build to do the configuration, so I didn't muck anything up with the conf files." |
| 20:30.19 | Jacob_H | abrotman: would that affect the init process? |
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| 20:30.51 | sandman | It just appears that apt-build is broken. |
| 20:30.58 | GhostlyDeath | How would I remove the "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" packages? |
| 20:31.03 | sandman | To the point where one might as well just use apt-get source -b <package> |
| 20:31.13 | Jacob_H | GhostlyDeath: apt-get autoremove |
| 20:32.09 | pty0 | is there a mips channel for debian :S |
| 20:32.13 | smacnay | I need to say that there are some very functional things about compiz. |
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| 20:32.41 | abrotman | Jacob_H: very well could |
| 20:34.10 | GhostlyDeath | Jacob_H: thanks |
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| 20:35.24 | jelly-home | sandman: that apt-build is broken is entirely possible; checked the bts? |
| 20:36.13 | sandman | jelly-home: Yeah I'm looking at it. |
| 20:36.30 | sandman | jelly-home: Lots of bugs reported. Except that nobody, apparently, has noticed that it doesn't actually do anything. |
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| 20:37.07 | sandman | jelly-home: It just compiles without anything more than an -mtune=generic flag, among the other usuals. |
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| 20:37.24 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 20:37.44 | sandman | Which would mean, afaik, you may well be better off using -march=i386 than you would with generic. Which kinda makes the whole package a bit superfluous, if you ask me. |
| 20:38.00 | jelly-home | Subject: doesn't do shit Priority: serious |
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| 20:38.15 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 20:38.27 | neoice | where does etch keep the global umask? |
| 20:38.35 | H4ns | hi - what package do i need to install (with apt-get install) to get the standard development system (/usr/include, libc, etc.)? |
| 20:38.43 | sandman | Might as well make a package called "deoptimizer" for debian with the description of "Borks up your binaries, so they execute extremely inefficiently and slowly." |
| 20:38.57 | neoice | build-essentials ? |
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| 20:39.05 | H4ns | neoice: thanks |
| 20:39.05 | Jacob_H | abrotman: thanks. I guess I’ll just need to wait a couple of days to see if it resolves (as I don’t have enough information here to submit a meaningful bug report) |
| 20:39.24 | H4ns | neoice: ah. no. |
| 20:39.26 | abrotman | i thought you said it doesn't boot |
| 20:40.19 | paxcoder | what do I need to do to make ffmpeg work with flv and lame (mp3)? |
| 20:40.55 | sandman | Is there a way to detect what flags a binary was compiled with? |
| 20:41.29 | stew | sandman: if it is a debian package: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 20:41.50 | sandman | stew: I meant, that _I_ compiled |
| 20:41.59 | sandman | Particularly, through apt-build |
| 20:42.09 | mhymn | paxcoder: you tried 'ffplay' ? |
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| 20:42.35 | jsoftw | Any ideas on making debian not go all un-responsive when I do tar's or cp's of largish files? |
| 20:42.36 | stew | sandman: i'd expect it to be the same answer |
| 20:42.58 | paxcoder | mhymn, no |
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| 20:47.49 | sandman | jsoftw: Use "nice"? |
| 20:47.57 | neoice | where does etch keep the global umask? |
| 20:48.05 | jsoftw | sandman: nice? |
| 20:48.08 | jsoftw | sandman: are you serious? |
| 20:48.36 | jsoftw | thats barely a solution at all |
| 20:48.40 | pty0 | it is a solution |
| 20:48.45 | jsoftw | It is _not_ a solution. |
| 20:48.55 | pty0 | you're the one running windows and IRC'ing as Administrator, what do you know about solutions ;) |
| 20:49.00 | jsoftw | For whatever reason, debians IO sucks on this machine. |
| 20:49.08 | jsoftw | pty0: orly? |
| 20:49.17 | jsoftw | pty0: Check again. |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | jsoftw: which filesystem is it to/from ? |
| 20:49.52 | dondelelcaro | jsoftw: there are a few chipsets which have known issues with IO too |
| 20:49.59 | jsoftw | abrotman: it's ext3 -> ext3 ( same filesystem ) |
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| 20:50.38 | abrotman | jsoftw: SATA ? which controller? |
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| 20:50.50 | jsoftw | dondelelcaro: it's its SAS |
| 20:51.09 | abrotman | which controller? |
| 20:51.11 | jsoftw | its a p400i controller me thinks. |
| 20:51.15 | jsoftw | hang on |
| 20:52.14 | jsoftw | Yeah, a p400i. |
| 20:52.46 | jsoftw | HP Smart Array P400i |
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| 20:53.36 | jsoftw | The actual IO transfer speed is fine, however the rest of the system locks up while doing the IO. |
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| 20:54.09 | dondelelcaro | which kernel? |
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| 20:54.19 | sandman | jsoftw: Have you looked into hdparm? |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | the CPU actually nears 100% ? |
| 20:54.40 | abrotman | sandman: SAS |
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| 20:54.53 | sandman | I'm unfamiliar |
| 20:55.04 | jsoftw | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | Serial Attached SCSI |
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| 20:55.15 | sandman | Gotchya. So hdparm doesn't apply? |
| 20:55.29 | jsoftw | thats doing a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/blah/blah.img |
| 20:55.38 | sandman | " hdparm - get/set SATA/ATA device parameters " |
| 20:56.09 | jsoftw | which is _insane_ |
| 20:56.15 | jsoftw | and pretty much unususable really. |
| 20:56.22 | sandman | For some reason SATA came to mind when you said Serial Attached SCSI =) Anyway... |
| 20:56.30 | sandman | jsoftw: it is? |
| 20:57.18 | jsoftw | sandman: well yeah, having an os buckle to its knees when copying a large file is useless in a server role. |
| 20:57.23 | jsoftw | I actually indended for it to be a dom0, but I think thats out of the question |
| 20:57.35 | sandman | jsoftw: You sure it's entirely the OS's fault, and not the user's? |
| 20:57.39 | abrotman | jsoftw: dondelelcaro asked you which kernel |
| 20:57.42 | sandman | jsoftw: dom0, so Xen? |
| 20:57.48 | jsoftw | I will use it for now tor set up the domU's, but if I cant solve this obvious problem, the domU's will be running on something a bit more.. responsive. |
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| 20:58.02 | jsoftw | abrotman: oh, right |
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| 20:58.23 | jsoftw | dondelelcaro: 2.6.18-6-xen-686 #1 SMP |
| 20:58.34 | sandman | jsoftw: Wish you had mentioned that before. |
| 20:58.59 | jsoftw | sandman: it was just as laggy when it was running whatever the normal debian kernel was. |
| 20:59.00 | sandman | I could have sworn there was some sort of HDD performance problems in that particular Xen patch & kernel... |
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| 21:01.17 | jsoftw | Oh of course. |
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| 21:03.21 | sandman | jsoftw: You might get more luck out of the folks here if you decided to not be such a jackhole about it, btw =) |
| 21:03.28 | pty0 | jsoftw, what fs |
| 21:03.34 | pty0 | sandman == ryan? |
| 21:04.00 | sandman | pty0: No sir. |
| 21:04.05 | jsoftw | pty0: ext3 |
| 21:04.06 | pty0 | =( |
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| 21:04.12 | pty0 | jsoftw, you should use XFS |
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| 21:04.16 | pty0 | for large files |
| 21:04.22 | jsoftw | :| |
| 21:04.36 | jsoftw | Is that really the problem here? |
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| 21:05.10 | sandman | I have read that XFS is falling out of use. |
| 21:05.24 | sandman | Or at least I heard something to that effect a while back... |
| 21:05.33 | pty0 | works fine for me :) |
| 21:05.44 | Tramp | or heard about somebody reading about it |
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| 21:06.48 | jsoftw | So, it seems to be some kind of scheduling related business |
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| 21:07.03 | sandman | Tramp: Yes. In particular, it was my brother's best friend's father's roommate's second cousin's niece who ended up telling me about it. |
| 21:07.04 | jsoftw | Ie, the kernel not giving any time to anything except the dd/cp/whatever process which is doing the IO |
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| 21:07.17 | hipodils1i | A question |
| 21:07.18 | gothenburg | Haha, I'm playing 3d with VNC and without 3d on linux |
| 21:07.34 | sandman | jsoftw: What are your mount options? |
| 21:07.40 | hipodils1i | Is there a gui software for Debian that could help me make a Critical Path Analysis |
| 21:07.43 | hipodils1i | ? |
| 21:07.45 | sandman | jsoftw: For ext3? Defaults? |
| 21:07.52 | jsoftw | sandman: whatever the defaults were |
| 21:08.08 | ewet | hi, any chance to do this focus stealing prevention for special windows only - say only password fields for example? cause that thing can also be very very annoying... |
| 21:08.19 | jsoftw | hang on. |
| 21:08.21 | ewet | on kde :) |
| 21:08.39 | sandman | jsoftw: Just so long as it's set to async xfer |
| 21:08.50 | sandman | jsoftw: Because that would answer the question right there, afaik, if that were the case. |
| 21:08.51 | jsoftw | /dev/cciss/c0d0p9 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
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| 21:09.23 | sandman | jsoftw: cat /etc/fstab | grep ext3 |
| 21:09.33 | sandman | jsoftw: Just see if it says defaults in the mount options field |
| 21:09.43 | sandman | jsoftw: Don't need to paste anything here, I'll just take your word for it |
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| 21:10.00 | jsoftw | sandman: yeah it says defaults. |
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| 21:11.30 | hikenboot | hello all anyone know if there is anything like tinyx that works on x86 and x86_64 machines? it appears tinyx isnt ported to 64bit |
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| 21:13.12 | sandman | jsoftw: I'm afraid I cannot help you with that. |
| 21:13.29 | sandman | jsoftw: I was looking into it, but I just realized the performance bug I was thinking about had to do with linux-vserver |
| 21:13.45 | jsoftw | Hmm. |
| 21:13.51 | sandman | jsoftw: Not Xen. That was my only lead, and nothing else comes to mind as to what might be lagging your computer, as I haven't run into that problem myself. |
| 21:13.58 | sandman | jsoftw: You say you're having the same problem using a non-Xen kernel? |
| 21:14.07 | jsoftw | I had the same problem, yeah. |
| 21:14.41 | sandman | jsoftw: Is it _only_ coming up when you do large writes to disk? |
| 21:14.47 | sandman | jsoftw: Or any write to disk? |
| 21:14.52 | jsoftw | I think I will make do for now, get the xen domU's going, and then look at either fixing the problem or using another distro/os. |
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| 21:15.31 | sandman | jsoftw: Sounds good. |
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| 21:15.53 | jsoftw | sandman: pretty much any sustained write to disk. |
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| 21:16.21 | sandman | jsoftw: Just stick around. Chances are, someone will just Know how to fix your issue there. |
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| 21:16.44 | WDC | Hello! Can someone help me pick a Debian CD? |
| 21:16.55 | abrotman | the netinst .. done! |
| 21:16.55 | fengor | take the first one |
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| 21:17.12 | sandman | jsoftw: Kinda like the principle behind open source development; if a million eyeballs roll over the same code, one of them is bound to see some sort of improvement. |
| 21:17.13 | WDC | abrotman: Netinstall is not a, possibility |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | why not? |
| 21:17.23 | WDC | fengor: CD1? What are the other ones then |
| 21:17.26 | sandman | jsoftw: So, just stick around and see if someone else can help. Good luck |
| 21:17.33 | jsoftw | sandman: that 'million eyeballs' thing is a load of rubbish. |
| 21:17.34 | WDC | abrotman: I dont have the internet to install everything from the inetenet |
| 21:17.39 | WDC | abrotman: Speed of internet* |
| 21:17.46 | abrotman | who needs speed ? |
| 21:17.54 | WDC | abrotman: I want lots of packages |
| 21:17.56 | trigpin | need little help have icewasel can't use hotmail gives me javascript error , check its enabled any work arounds ? |
| 21:17.59 | abrotman | downloading a whole ISO is a bigger waste |
| 21:18.08 | WDC | abrotman: Anyway, What's the deal with the 21 cds? |
| 21:18.18 | abrotman | you odn't need them all .. just grab the netinst |
| 21:18.26 | WDC | abrotman: Why are there 21 different ones? |
| 21:18.28 | jsoftw | sandman: sounds good in _theory_, but in reality, there are very few people _actually_ looking at code, and fewer who know what it means, and even fewer still who improve and submit changes. |
| 21:18.34 | jsoftw | sandman: but yeah. |
| 21:18.43 | abrotman | WDC: oddly .. different software packages on each |
| 21:18.44 | acu | I want to capture Video and Audio from webcam (Logitech Pro9000) which works well with EKIGA and luvcview in Debian Lenny AmD64 - is any functional software which can capture video and audio from the webcam ? |
| 21:18.56 | WDC | abrotman: Where is there a rundown of what's on each? |
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| 21:19.14 | abrotman | !tell WDC about cd contents |
| 21:19.21 | abrotman | which is why we say to use the netinst |
| 21:19.23 | WDC | kk |
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| 21:19.48 | WDC | abrotman: thanks! |
| 21:19.59 | stew | jsoftw: you can run programs slowing your machine down using nice (or renice) in order to lower your priority, or you can do the same for other programs in order to boost their priority. if this is a constant problem, perhaps experiment with changing which io scheduler you are using |
| 21:20.19 | jsoftw | io scheduler sounds the egoi. |
| 21:20.21 | jsoftw | the go. |
| 21:20.38 | stew | what? |
| 21:21.22 | joh | Any way to get crypt to support blowfish on etch? |
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| 21:22.17 | stew | joh: apt-cache show libpam-unix2 |
| 21:22.19 | anarcat | hello |
| 21:22.27 | anarcat | it's weird here my man pages are all screwed up |
| 21:22.39 | JyZyXEL | any tools that convert base10 to base16? |
| 21:22.50 | joh | stew: I'm not after the PAM module though, I need it for OpenLDAP... |
| 21:23.11 | stew | joh: oh, i'm not sure then, sorry |
| 21:23.19 | grulk | Hi guys, how can I disable ipv6 lookups on bind, or that are second after doing ipv4 lookups. I am using debian etch |
| 21:23.29 | joh | stew: Ok, thanks anyways. |
| 21:23.43 | anarcat | http://pastebin.ca/1233207 |
| 21:23.46 | mimcpher | grulk, A records store IPv4 records, AAAA records store IPv6. |
| 21:23.46 | anarcat | this is man ls |
| 21:23.51 | anarcat | notice the garbage characters |
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| 21:24.01 | anarcat | # |
| 21:24.01 | anarcat | --color[=WHEN] |
| 21:24.02 | anarcat | # control whether color is used to distinguish file types. WHEN may be �[7m<80><98>never�[7m<80><99>, �[7m<80><98>always�[7m<80><99>, or �[7m<80><98>auto�[7m<80><99> |
| 21:24.06 | anarcat | anyone seen that before? |
| 21:24.09 | anarcat | (sorry for the paste) |
| 21:24.42 | jelly-home | joh: why blowfish? |
| 21:24.42 | grulk | mimcpher, My dns server is taking to much time to resolve a name, Had been reading that debian uses ipv6 before ipv4 |
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| 21:25.30 | n3kl | grulk: I think its listen-ipv6 { none; }; or osmehint like that |
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| 21:26.29 | grulk | n3kl, In which file. I had been searching all over and not find anything |
| 21:26.29 | joh | jelly-home: Because I'm migrating some users from a SuSe system where passwords are hashed using blowfish. |
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| 21:27.45 | anarcat | figured it out |
| 21:27.49 | anarcat | LESSCHARSET=latin1 |
| 21:27.49 | anarcat | sorry |
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| 21:31.16 | n3kl | grulk: your named options file |
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| 21:32.50 | n3kl | grulk: actually, try listen-on-v6 { none;... |
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| 21:34.23 | grulk | ok |
| 21:34.24 | grulk | thanks |
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| 21:39.01 | torr | is there in /var only dynamic files? |
| 21:39.16 | torr | (auto generated) |
| 21:39.35 | abrotman | auto generated by what? there are database files in there by default |
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| 21:40.05 | rgr | Can one prohibit the switching to different screens using ctl-alt-f1 etc? Are these all different run levels? Or same run level with different UI? |
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| 21:41.00 | stew | torr: no there are things in /var that aren't auto-generated |
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| 21:41.25 | Makazei | Ah'ight, The Home-Networking-HOWTO says in Redhat systems, to edit the sysconfig file. Anyone know what the equivalent in Debian is? |
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| 21:41.49 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.13 | fengor | /etc/network/* |
| 21:42.31 | Makazei | pid files. |
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| 21:43.05 | jelly-home | torr: which filesystem are you going to use? |
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| 21:44.22 | torr | jelly-home, I guess that gfs , or ocfs2 are the options mentioned |
| 21:44.23 | jelly-home | right |
| 21:44.34 | torr | Makazei, pid files are at /proc/number right? |
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| 21:45.02 | stew | torr: some things will put a pid file into /var/run |
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| 21:45.50 | Makazei | Depends on how the program is configured. as to what the pid file is called. |
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| 21:46.11 | tdawgedogg | hey guys how do i install debian using a thumbdrive....i used unetbootin to put an iso file onto it but during the install process it fails because i have no cdrom and it wants to install cdrom drviers |
| 21:46.25 | dmoerner | !d-i |
| 21:46.25 | dpkg | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 21:46.57 | stew | tdawgedogg: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 21:47.19 | Makazei | Your Motherboard has to support USB booting, and that is set in BIOS. |
| 21:47.23 | teratoma | how do i make an emtpy directory , mode 700 , owned by bill , with fcopy ? |
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| 21:47.54 | Makazei | chown bill filename ; chmod 700 filename |
| 21:48.32 | teratoma | Makazei: fcopy is 'copy files with classes' |
| 21:49.02 | Makazei | would rather do it the hard way. Dunno that command yet. |
| 21:49.09 | Makazei | Oops. |
| 21:49.26 | teratoma | Makazei: its a command used by fully-automatic-installation FAI |
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| 21:53.22 | troels | testing |
| 21:53.41 | troels | or "Hello World!" |
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| 21:54.52 | Makazei | doesn't see squat in the fcopy man page about file permissions. |
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| 22:01.54 | ricosecada | I have just installed Debian on my mothers computer and I would like to be able to lock on remotely to help her using the desktop if she needs it. I need some recommendations as to what software to use. Any recommendations? She needs to be able to see what I do on her desktop while I do it. |
| 22:04.03 | abrotman | vnc i'd say |
| 22:04.08 | El_Guillermo | ricosecada: you can install x11vnc on her system |
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| 22:04.16 | abrotman | both gnome and kde have facilities for "remote assistance" |
| 22:04.55 | ricosecada | x11vnc sounds great thanks! |
| 22:05.03 | tdawgedogg | it boots from the usb key fine but it wants to install stuff off a cdrom that doesnt exist...and it keeps trying to find it...and it cant go any further with install |
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| 22:05.08 | El_Guillermo | no prob |
| 22:06.09 | tdawgedogg | anyone help me install debian 4 to a netbook with no dvd drive.... |
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| 22:06.39 | El_Guillermo | tdawgedogg: if you're trying to install sofware, you can moodify your source.list by commenting out the cd/dvd lookup and adding some ftp/http sources |
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| 22:07.23 | tdawgedogg | um...im trying to clean install...i have debian amd64 cd 1 on flash drive....it boots to it fine |
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| 22:08.54 | tdawgedogg | its trying to find the install files on a cdrom drive that it cant detect vs taking htem from the flash drive i booted off of |
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| 22:10.44 | WolvBite | Evening all. I'm conducting a minimum install of Debian with a min install of gnome. I've started with installing xorg and gnome-core. and alsa next. what else do i need to install for gnome to get me to all of its features but not any of the metapackage selections that i don't need or won't use? |
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| 22:11.47 | stew | WolvBite: gnome-core |
| 22:11.53 | stew | WolvBite: or /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:12.35 | tdawgedogg | has anyone in here sucessfully installed debian via flash drive? |
| 22:12.37 | WolvBite | i know that is a itc command but don't know how to use it. instruct me please |
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| 22:13.25 | stew | WolvBite: to start gnome use "gnome-session" |
| 22:14.45 | WolvBite | ok thanks stew. i'm network installing on a half assed isp so it will take me a while. i'll go with gnome session next. |
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| 22:16.26 | kenjy | where can I change my debian system language? |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:17.33 | kenjy | abrotman: I have it in es_MX.UTF8 |
| 22:17.36 | khopesh | where can I get old package diffs from versions that never left testing? |
| 22:17.42 | kenjy | abrotman: but when I do date it shows October |
| 22:17.54 | kenjy | abrotman: or Tuesday |
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| 22:18.10 | WolvBite | hey stew. what does gnome-session do for gnome? |
| 22:18.17 | abrotman | kenjy: echo $LANG ? |
| 22:18.37 | kenjy | abrotman: blogs:/etc/default# echo $LANG |
| 22:18.37 | kenjy | blogs:/etc/default# |
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| 22:18.56 | stew | WolvBite: starts it |
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| 22:19.04 | iamawake | if i background a process in one ssh session can i foreground said process in a second ssh session? |
| 22:19.21 | abrotman | kenjy: as non-root |
| 22:19.24 | WolvBite | ok. is it a dependancy of gnome-cor? |
| 22:19.38 | kenjy | abrotman: there is not a non-root account |
| 22:19.42 | stew | WolvBite: yes (apt-cache show gnome-core) |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 22:20.12 | kenjy | abrotman: done, it shows es_MX.UTF-8 |
| 22:20.14 | WolvBite | ok. cause i've already installed gnome-core. |
| 22:20.17 | kenjy | blogs:/etc/default$ echo $LANG |
| 22:20.18 | kenjy | es_MX.UTF-8 |
| 22:20.26 | khopesh | okay, i think i answered my own question. debian releases are tagged in svn, so i just have to figure out how to pull both tags and then diff them |
| 22:21.46 | extor | http://i35.tinypic.com/1i1x6u.png <--- Is the lack of my burning software knowing the about the existence of a DVDR buffer likely to result in errors? |
| 22:22.07 | abrotman | kenjy: what does 'locale' return? is everything your es_MX ? |
| 22:22.25 | WolvBite | the last time i did an install of gnome i only installed gnome-core and was able to run a a session. but I did not have the ability to install themes with ny kind of theme manager |
| 22:22.47 | WolvBite | I had to install them manually |
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| 22:23.05 | kenjy | abrotman: all its es_MX |
| 22:23.15 | kenjy | abrotman: except for this LC_ALL= |
| 22:23.18 | abrotman | how are you running this date command ? |
| 22:23.19 | kenjy | abrotman: it is empty |
| 22:23.23 | kenjy | abrotman: date |
| 22:23.28 | abrotman | just "date" ? |
| 22:23.49 | kenjy | abrotman: yes |
| 22:23.55 | kenjy | but abrotman just tzconf fiexed it tnks |
| 22:23.57 | abrotman | kenjy: is this from an xterm ? |
| 22:24.08 | abrotman | that makes no sense .. but okay |
| 22:24.36 | kenjy | abrotman: a ssh session |
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| 22:30.26 | clearscreen | I changed some fstab lines before unmounting the volumes. Now fstab and mtab disagree, and I cannot mount nor umount these partitions. Is it still possible to fix this without a reboot? |
| 22:30.43 | abrotman | remount them ? |
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| 22:31.52 | clearscreen | Remounting is not supported at present. You have to umount volume and then mount it once again. |
| 22:31.57 | clearscreen | I cannot umount |
| 22:32.27 | clearscreen | Argh! I'll just reboot! |
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| 22:33.27 | abrotman | you couldnevermind |
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| 22:36.28 | sandman | Can I take any video, convert it, put it on a DVD in a particular way and play it with any standard DVD player? |
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| 22:36.40 | sandman | If so I was wondering if there's a guide for this |
| 22:37.34 | abrotman | google for a dvd mastering program for linux |
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| 22:41.04 | smacnay | Can anyone recommend a good webcam supported by the 2.6.26 kernel? I am trying the Logitech QuickCam Deluxe - and it does work - but it seems buggy with the various apps that use it. |
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| 22:46.00 | enouf | sandman: http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html is one authoring/mastering tool - it's in the dmm repos, IIRC |
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| 22:53.44 | acu | I am trying to compile cheese 2.41 on debian lenny - and during config it tells me "No aacceptable c compiler found in $PATH where would I know what compiler is required ? |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | !b-e acu |
| 22:54.30 | dpkg | acu: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 22:56.06 | acu | abrotman: thanks - it seem I missed it ! some Gcc were installed before - but it seem this build-esssential has many goodies :) |
| 22:59.00 | acu | abrotman: ok it went now longer - however it tells me that I need intltool 0.40.0 or later where can I find it ? |
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| 22:59.17 | enouf | !search |
| 22:59.18 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 22:59.37 | abrotman | acu: which version of debian do you have ? |
| 22:59.49 | acu | lenny amd64 |
| 22:59.51 | enouf | run build-dep ffs |
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| 23:01.11 | vincenzo | Hi, is there any way to automatically download all deb files that are installed on a given system? If you don't know, who can I ask to? |
| 23:01.36 | enouf | you can obtain a list by /msg dpkg selections |
| 23:02.17 | nnts | how can I make all man pages open with "less" not some other app? |
| 23:02.34 | enouf | do you want to get a system's installed pkg list for installation onto another machine? |
| 23:02.56 | enouf | nnts: pager? hrmm is less installed? |
| 23:02.57 | vincenzo | enouf: but the other machine is not internet connected |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | acu: intltool is a package in lenny |
| 23:03.19 | acu | thanks abrotman |
| 23:03.22 | enouf | nnts: update-alternatives --config pager (as root) |
| 23:03.26 | nnts | enouf: I have both "less" and "most", the man pages open in "most" for some reason |
| 23:03.34 | nnts | enouf: oh thanks |
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| 23:03.57 | vincenzo | enouf: any advice? |
| 23:04.16 | enouf | vincenzo: what's the end goal? |
| 23:04.34 | vincenzo | have the same packages on a disconnected machine |
| 23:05.14 | nnts | enouf: I've selected /usr/bin/less which was already marked as default, yet it still opens man pages in most... |
| 23:05.14 | acu | vicenzo: by default (to my knowledge) all the packages you are installing in Debian are downloaded first - then installed - you can find them in /var/cache/apt/archives (I think) - to have them downloaded or deleted after installation you can go in Synaptic Package Manager in Preferences - Files |
| 23:05.22 | enouf | vincenzo: /msg dpkg aptitude clone (perhaps) then copy over the entire /var/lib/apt/* |
| 23:05.23 | acu | Vincenzo |
| 23:05.30 | enouf | oh .. wait .. |
| 23:06.00 | enouf | yeah, /var/cache/{apt,aptitude} i suppose |
| 23:06.26 | jamon | i think the package you're looking for is apt-zip to update a non-connected computer |
| 23:06.37 | vincenzo | enouf: acu: but i periodically run apt-get clena |
| 23:06.54 | enouf | yeah, apt-zip is another option |
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| 23:07.13 | vincenzo | jamon: tnx I'm about to learn it :-) |
| 23:07.17 | enouf | vincenzo: well, you have an issue ;-) you'll need to d/l those pkgs again |
| 23:07.48 | nnts | enouf: oh export PAGER=/usr/bin/less seemed to have fixed it, thanks :) |
| 23:07.53 | vincenzo | enouf: there is no problem at all... |
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| 23:08.04 | vincenzo | enouf: I have a fast connection here:_) |
| 23:08.10 | enouf | nnts: temporary |
| 23:08.42 | enouf | and confined to that shell session |
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| 23:09.00 | nnts | enouf: yes I know, i'll add it to my ~/.bashrc |
| 23:09.12 | enouf | update-alternatives --list pager | xargs |
| 23:09.14 | enouf | /bin/more /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/w3m /usr/bin/pg |
| 23:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nnts, what does $PAGER say for you? |
| 23:09.37 | nnts | mine is: /bin/more /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/pg /usr/bin/w3m |
| 23:09.37 | enouf | nnts: update-alternatives is the way to do it, but suit yourself |
| 23:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, unset for me |
| 23:10.13 | nnts | enouf: i understand, however it already says that less is selected |
| 23:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nnts, anyways, you can just set PAGER=/usr/bin/less, I guess |
| 23:10.23 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: if I don't change it it's /usr/bin/most |
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| 23:10.41 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I know thx |
| 23:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the update-alternatives would only work, if PAGER was set to something like sensible-pager (or whatever weird name the meta-pager has) |
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| 23:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha it IS sensible-pager |
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| 23:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nnts, that's afaik what update-alternatives changes via softlinks - sensible-pager is a softlink to your selected pager |
| 23:12.18 | nnts | CutMeOwnThroat: oh I see |
| 23:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if $PAGER is set and sais "most", than that overrides it |
| 23:13.14 | simonrvn | pg |
| 23:13.20 | simonrvn | ? |
| 23:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | parental guidance? |
| 23:13.44 | simonrvn | !+find bin/pg |
| 23:13.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:13.56 | neoice | so I set the umask for the system with InteractiveBastille... but now it wont change it. |
| 23:13.59 | acu | OK, other stupid question - configure went well - I am at the make stage - I have files in my directori as MakeFile.in and Makefile.am - now if I type make it tells me make:*** No targets specified and no makefile founds. Stop - can anyone help me here |
| 23:14.13 | simonrvn | judd: find bin/pg |
| 23:14.14 | judd | simonrvn: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 23:14.26 | simonrvn | <- duh |
| 23:14.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pg' (9 of 40): (/usr/bin/pg_top) in misc/ptop ;; (/usr/bin/pgen) in science/spass ;; (/usr/bin/pgrep) in admin/procps ;; (/usr/bin/pgsnap) in misc/pgsnap ;; (/usr/bin/pgpgpg) in utils/pgpgpg ;; (/usr/bin/pg) in utils/util-linux ;; (/usr/bin/pgagent) in misc/pgagent ;; (/usr/sbin/pg_md5) in misc/pgpool2 ;; (/usr/bin/pgqadm) in misc/skytools. |
| 23:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu, you did read the README and/or INSTALL files? |
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| 23:15.53 | enouf | man pg :-p |
| 23:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu, /msg dpkg compile for the compile trinity |
| 23:16.19 | WolvBite | what is the program for debian that goes out and test a bunch of different mirrors for speed and then stes them up automatically for you |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 23:16.47 | Tramp | !apt-spy |
| 23:16.47 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been ... |
| 23:16.49 | blast_hardcheese | For some reason Alt+Click/drag doesn't move windows anymore, it resizes them; I'm using Gnome, there doesn't seem to be a setting for this |
| 23:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pg seems rather crappy, though |
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| 23:18.28 | simonrvn | less gimmicks than less |
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| 23:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I wanted less gimicks than less, I'd used more ... and if I was even more masochistic, I'd use DOS-more |
| 23:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 23:19.36 | Hiall | How would i find out the name of the user for scripts that have been loaded through websites? |
| 23:20.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... say that again so that I can understand it |
| 23:20.18 | simonrvn | ugh, DOS more sucks hard |
| 23:20.39 | blast_hardcheese | Hiall: CGI scripts? |
| 23:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and edline for editing :) |
| 23:20.43 | Hiall | CutMeOwnThroat, that directed at me? :P |
| 23:20.44 | simonrvn | less +F acts like tail -f, but you can ^c it and scroll up and down, etc. |
| 23:20.57 | simonrvn | or less foo then F does the same |
| 23:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, yes |
| 23:21.06 | Hiall | blast_hardcheese, im trying to load a script through exec and its loaded but i have no idea what user loaded it.. |
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| 23:21.17 | Hiall | and so have no way of killing it |
| 23:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, ps aux |grep -i scriptname |
| 23:21.36 | Hiall | CutMeOwnThroat, tried with no luck :S |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | pgrep ? |
| 23:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, then it's not there |
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| 23:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or we're not talking about a Debian system |
| 23:22.17 | Hiall | no it is debian |
| 23:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I think some BSD variants only show you your own processes or something) |
| 23:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then the script doesn't run anymore... simple |
| 23:23.04 | Hiall | CutMeOwnThroat, how would i find out what user loaded the script though? |
| 23:23.14 | Hiall | so i can search through the user process's |
| 23:23.22 | Hiall | using apache 2 on debian.. |
| 23:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the user is probably apache - or the user whose home-dir it wass |
| 23:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | was in* |
| 23:23.34 | Hiall | ok :D thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, ops, I take that back - it's not apache, but www-data |
| 23:24.10 | Hiall | bingo!! |
| 23:24.17 | Hiall | thankyou very much CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 23:24.59 | Hiall | been searching through grep for ages with no luck :S nfi why root couldn't find it :/ |
| 23:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, you should've searched through the list for apache |
| 23:25.27 | Hiall | ^^ more intelligent way :p |
| 23:25.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, where do I have to add the process or commands that I want to run at boot? |
| 23:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | apache runs as root + some user... and that user is normally used to start scripts - if there is no module loaded that makes it possible to run them as the user the file owns or somesuch |
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| 23:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | gonzaloaf_laptop, /etc/rc.local or a new script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:26.33 | Hiall | ah yea was assuming it would be the user or root but no joy.. www-data seems to control it :P |
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| 23:26.51 | simonrvn | starts as root then does privs to run as www-data, or whatever SuExecUserGroup is set as |
| 23:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 23:27.01 | simonrvn | s,does,drops, |
| 23:27.18 | simonrvn | the parent keeps running as root, and spawns children as needed |
| 23:27.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, one of the apache processes stays root and keeps the hand on port 80 |
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| 23:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it runs on port >1024, it doesn't need to be root |
| 23:28.11 | Hiall | so root controls all ports less? |
| 23:28.23 | Hiall | ssh etc.. |
| 23:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | only root may access ports 1-1024 |
| 23:28.27 | karsten | Hiall: Only root can access ports 1-1024 |
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| 23:28.40 | simonrvn | it's a privileged op. |
| 23:28.41 | karsten | Hiall: ... which was an early and sorta stupid security measure in unix. |
| 23:28.54 | Hiall | hmmn outdated now then? |
| 23:29.05 | karsten | Hiall: The thought was that you could _always_ trust (somone else's) root account on some random other server. |
| 23:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | thats so that normal users can't open their own e.g. ssh when there is none running |
| 23:29.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat, if I want to run dhcp server at boot? |
| 23:29.12 | simonrvn | linux capabilities can modify that behaviour |
| 23:29.36 | karsten | Hiall: Back when all Unix admins knew one another and drank beer together regularly (we're talking 1970s / early 80s) that was a moderately reasonable assumption. |
| 23:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | gonzaloaf_laptop, just install it, it'll automatically be started or you'll be asked if you want to automatically start it |
| 23:29.47 | karsten | Hiall: If another root did something bad you could spike their beer. |
| 23:29.52 | karsten | Hiall: That's harder to do these days. |
| 23:29.54 | Hiall | roflmao :D |
| 23:30.13 | Hiall | nice security feature though |
| 23:30.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat, but I want to how, how to do it manually, can you tell me please? |
| 23:30.21 | Hiall | or infact steal there beer :P |
| 23:30.22 | simonrvn | the good/bad ol' days |
| 23:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | gonzaloaf_laptop, I did |
| 23:30.33 | simonrvn | their |
| 23:30.36 | jsoftw | It might be a conspiracy |
| 23:30.50 | karsten | Yeah, the feature continues. It would make more sense to have a limited-access account which _only_ had access to ports, and would then pass off data to another helper process for anything else. |
| 23:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the main problem is the beer of today... it's just not the same quality as back then - and so the security is also lacking :-P |
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| 23:31.30 | karsten | Hiall: What you find now is that a lot of network processes now have a port-listener running as root, or which connect to the port as root then drop privs. I need to look up just how that works, I'm rusty. |
| 23:32.20 | Hiall | and you give that user access to root to do that? |
| 23:32.22 | Hiall | i assume.. |
| 23:32.24 | simonrvn | it's also messy |
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| 23:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hiall, the server is started as/by root - if it's apache, only a small part of it's code actually runs as root, while most of it is done by children which run as a normal user |
| 23:33.30 | simonrvn | system user/normal user, depending |
| 23:33.30 | karsten | Hiall: No, root makes the connection, then drops privs. |
| 23:33.55 | shivraj | Hiall: can you change your nick its really annoying |
| 23:34.06 | abrotman | it's annoying? |
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| 23:34.11 | hikenboot | anyone know if there is anything like tinyx that works on x86 and x86_64 machines? it appears tinyx isnt ported to 64bit |
| 23:34.15 | Hiall | lol err used it for yeears shingouz :p |
| 23:34.20 | Hiall | since i was like 11 :S |
| 23:34.29 | abrotman | and yet .. you still can't work an irc client :) |
| 23:34.40 | Hiall | no :/ |
| 23:34.41 | shivraj | its not a name .. .... there's a difference between names and adjectives adverbs and pronouns |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | shivraj: let it be |
| 23:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Dr. No" |
| 23:35.43 | karsten | Hiall: This article discusses the problem, Jim's response is the soluiton: http://linuxgazette.net/155/misc/lg/privileged_port_access_for_users.html |
| 23:35.58 | Hiall | thankyou karsten will take a read |
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| 23:37.25 | Olof | hello, i have just installed debian netinstall (both 64 and 32) on an intel itx atom D945GCLF2 but the network wont work |
| 23:37.38 | Olof | i googled a bit and found this thread: http://georgia.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=5877726 |
| 23:38.05 | Olof | so i tried an ubuntu live cd where it works but i want debian onto it, is there any solution to this? |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | which veresions of debian did you try? |
| 23:38.31 | Olof | the latest one, downloaded it 30mins ago |
| 23:38.46 | Olof | 4.0 r4a |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | latest is ... ? etch? bob? ralph? |
| 23:39.02 | abrotman | lspci -nn .. what is the pciid of the network card? |
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| 23:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | how come one so often hits some ubuntu forum discussing one's problems, but no debian related pages |
| 23:39.59 | Olof | its a realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI express gigabit ethernet controller |
| 23:40.25 | abrotman | we would need the PCI ID |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | if you're in ubuntu .. lspci -nn .. it's the ####:#### at the end |
| 23:40.42 | Olof | 10ec:8168 ? |
| 23:40.49 | Olof | (rev 02) |
| 23:41.18 | abrotman | says the "r8169" module should drive that in etch |
| 23:42.03 | Olof | hmm ok |
| 23:42.13 | Olof | got any tips on something i can try? |
| 23:42.59 | shivraj | actually knew someone named Onlylove .... |
| 23:43.17 | Olof | abrotman: the wierd thing is that the mac address is listed in ifconfig |
| 23:43.25 | abrotman | sounds like it's working to me |
| 23:43.25 | Olof | but no ip |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | did you configure it? |
| 23:43.38 | Olof | the install did that |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | !tell Olof about interfaces |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | did you do it correctly? :) |
| 23:43.56 | mythomaniac | is there anyway to convert synaptic install file to a bash script? |
| 23:44.02 | abrotman | alternately .. you could try etchnhalf |
| 23:44.13 | Olof | yeah, i know about that file |
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| 23:44.17 | Olof | and it seems that way |
| 23:44.20 | Olof | eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:44.29 | Olof | (running dhcp on my router without any issues) |
| 23:45.01 | abrotman | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 23:45.03 | abrotman | auto eth0 |
| 23:45.04 | Olof | abrotman: is there any iso for etchnhalf? i know about it, read a little about it |
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| 23:45.14 | abrotman | yes .. there's a netinst |
| 23:45.43 | Blackhold | hello, I have to compile a program using gcc 4.2.4 nor 4.3, I tried to do cd /usr/bin && rm gcc && ln -s gcc-4.2.4 gcc but is using 4.3 libraries, what I have to say to make to use gcc-4.2.4 libraries? thnks |
| 23:45.47 | Olof | abrotman: hmm, under the install i deselected standard system |
| 23:45.51 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | at the top |
| 23:45.56 | Olof | could that be the problem? it has worked fine before |
| 23:46.13 | Olof | thanks for the link, downloading it now in case |
| 23:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Olof, you can set things manually to see... ifconfig eth0 <yourip>;route add gw <yourRouter> |
| 23:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | then ping the router 1st |
| 23:46.24 | shivraj | Olof: you forgot to put auto ... if you dont configure network during install it will not add the interfaces to that file |
| 23:46.43 | Olof | shivraj: ok, i did that and the file seems correct |
| 23:46.47 | Olof | so hopefully it isnt that |
| 23:47.06 | Olof | CutMeOwnThroat: 1min, ill try that |
| 23:47.30 | shivraj | Olof: well in that case you will have to restart the computer, or as CutMeOwnThroat suggests, do it manually using ifaceup eth0, dhclient eth0 |
| 23:47.38 | abrotman | shivraj: you don't have to restart |
| 23:47.51 | Olof | CutMeOwnThroat: i got a host name lookup failure |
| 23:48.00 | Olof | and im 100% sure my router is 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:48.03 | Olof | one more wierd thing |
| 23:48.15 | Olof | during the install debian found out that my workgroup is "home" |
| 23:48.35 | Olof | so it really sounds like the network worked then |
| 23:48.43 | shivraj | Olof: try 192.168.2.1, whats ur router manufacturer ?... |
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| 23:48.46 | Olof | also during the package selection i got no errors |
| 23:48.51 | Olof | its a ITX running m0n0wall |
| 23:49.06 | Olof | shivraj: 100% sure about 192.168.0.1, installed it myself ;) |
| 23:49.55 | shivraj | why dont you paste the contents of your file to pastebin.com ?? Olof ? |
| 23:49.57 | Blackhold | does anyone? |
| 23:50.12 | Olof | shivraj: its quite hard as i dont got any network connection on it |
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| 23:50.54 | Olof | shivraj: and which file? |
| 23:51.32 | shivraj | Olof: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:51.32 | Olof | burning etchnhalf now, hopefully that will work better |
| 23:51.49 | Olof | ok, 1min |
| 23:51.55 | shivraj | Olof: whatever works, ..... |
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| 23:52.17 | Olof | shivraj: http://pastebin.com/d78568118 |
| 23:52.32 | Olof | shivraj: solving it now would be a lot better of course, but in case that is impossible |
| 23:52.39 | Olof | so any help is greatly appreciated :) |
| 23:52.56 | Olof | skipped the comments, but its just the standard ones, hope its ok |
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| 23:54.13 | Blackhold | hello? |
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| 23:55.12 | shivraj | Olof: you need to change "allow-hotplug" to "auto" |
| 23:55.32 | shivraj | Olof: I am not an expert ... maybe someone else can help |
| 23:55.52 | Olof | shivraj: ill try it, 1min :) |
| 23:56.25 | Olof | how can i restart it? reboot? |
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| 23:56.48 | shivraj | Olof: as root, execute "shutdown -r now" |
| 23:56.59 | Olof | yeah, did that |
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| 23:57.13 | Olof | note to myself: keep standard packages next time... |
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| 23:57.48 | Quag7 | Can someone point me in the right direction; googling so far is not helping. I am trying to get eth0 and eth1 to assign to the other's network card (IOW reverse them) |
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| 23:58.32 | Olof | shivraj: when im booting now it just says "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255..." |
| 23:58.57 | Olof | "no dhcpoffers recieved" the boot is continuing |
| 23:59.13 | Olof | no network/i |
| 23:59.15 | Olof | p |
