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| 00:00.40 | Olof | shivraj: going to try etchnhalf now, but thanks a lot for the suggestions |
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| 00:01.56 | cvn | hi whats the difference between lenny and etch? |
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| 00:02.12 | pgpkeys | lenny is testing. etch is stable |
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| 00:02.26 | beardy | cvn: Lenny is the next stable, now lenny is testing. Etch is the current stable release of Debian. |
| 00:02.32 | pgpkeys | sid is unstable. sid is *always* unstable |
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| 00:02.56 | funky | is upgrading to sid from etch right now |
| 00:03.01 | cvn | i wanted to run some software, but only lenny supports it. is it recommended to upgrade to lenny? |
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| 00:03.24 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 00:03.24 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 00:03.24 | pipeline | cvn: backports.org ? |
| 00:04.17 | cvn | nah not in it |
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| 00:04.30 | JyZyXEL | ITS CAPSLOCK DAY |
| 00:04.32 | beardy | cvn: Is it in Debian, what software? |
| 00:04.40 | JyZyXEL | HTTP://CAPSLOCKDAY.COM/ |
| 00:04.42 | cvn | eggdrop 1.6.18 |
| 00:04.46 | pipeline | cvn: haha, go for it dude |
| 00:04.57 | cvn | lenny u mean? |
| 00:05.00 | pipeline | cvn: anyplace you're running eggdrop is not a place where running testing is going to be dangerous :) |
| 00:05.49 | cvn | is there any security issues related to lenny? or is lenny just as good as etch? |
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| 00:06.21 | cafuego | cvn: In theory any security fixes aren't pushed into lenny immediately, but they might be delayed a bit as they filter down from Sid (afaik). |
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| 00:07.10 | JyZyXEL | WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING |
| 00:07.19 | cvn | hmm okay |
| 00:07.21 | beardy | JyZyXEL: One line to much, stop it, now. |
| 00:07.37 | JyZyXEL | BEARDY HTTP://CAPSLOCKDAY.COM/ |
| 00:07.44 | beardy | !ops JyZyXEL |
| 00:07.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: JyZyXEL |
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| 00:07.56 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: stop it |
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| 00:08.25 | cvn | lol |
| 00:08.28 | JyZyXEL | :( |
| 00:08.30 | cvn | dpkg is cute |
| 00:08.31 | dpkg | wish i knew, cvn |
| 00:08.35 | cafuego | or else |
| 00:08.37 | cvn | "wish" |
| 00:08.49 | cafuego | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 00:08.49 | dpkg | no, stupid cafuego |
| 00:09.04 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 00:09.04 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 00:10.14 | beardy | cvn: You could do that, but add a deb-src line to lenny, instead. If you want to build it yourself for etch. |
| 00:10.33 | cvn | ok, can i just type cd /etc/apt; sed -i 's/etch/lenny/g' sources.list; apt-get update |
| 00:10.49 | beardy | cvn: That was not what I said now, at all. |
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| 00:12.02 | beardy | You should also in any case start using aptitude instead. |
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| 00:12.48 | cvn | ok how do i know if it was now upgraded to lenny? |
| 00:13.22 | Tramp | !tell cvn about etch->lenny |
| 00:13.23 | Olof | shivraj: it worked :) |
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| 00:18.31 | shivraj | Olof: good |
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| 00:27.49 | Mordocai | Anyone know if the zd1211rw driver works "out of the box" if I use the first x64 dvd? |
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| 00:28.37 | Dionix | I need help with fonts |
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| 00:28.46 | abrotman | Mordocai: you need firmware for it |
| 00:28.56 | Dionix | all my fonts on iceweasel went small, but nothing else with x did |
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| 00:29.31 | Dionix | its not gtk |
| 00:30.20 | Dionix | wait |
| 00:30.21 | Dionix | it is |
| 00:30.23 | Dionix | got it |
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| 00:30.34 | Mordocai | !tell Mordocai about etch->lenny |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | !tell Mordocai about selftell |
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| 00:31.53 | Dionix | ok not gtk |
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| 00:32.00 | Dionix | is my xserver |
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| 00:33.04 | Mordocai | abrotman: Oh, sorry. Didn't know the syntax. |
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| 00:33.36 | smacnay | What is more up-to-date: testing or lenny? |
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| 00:35.27 | Tramp | !tell smacnay about testing |
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| 00:36.23 | abrotman | smacnay: currently they are the same |
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| 00:36.34 | abrotman | smacnay: soon lenny will become stable .. testing will stay testing |
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| 00:37.20 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - sort of what I thought but wasn't sure |
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| 00:43.07 | Ian_Daniher | anyone ever used thoughttracker ? |
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| 00:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, no... but ... if it really can track my thoughts I will (I know I can't) |
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| 00:45.22 | Ian_Daniher | ha ha... |
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| 00:45.42 | Ian_Daniher | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks useful if you're the kind of person who writes everything down |
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| 00:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't... but sometimees feel I have the attention span of a fruit-fly |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: that's crazy talk .. then people might get stuff done :) |
| 00:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that way lies insanity |
| 00:50.55 | Ian_Daniher | abrotman: lol |
| 00:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | they said insane.. insane AHAHAHAHH AHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA AHA |
| 00:51.09 | funyun | i accidently deleted a few files while typing "rm *" in the wrong folder. is there a way i can find out what those files were? |
| 00:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't know what was in there? |
| 00:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hardly |
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| 00:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what directory was it? |
| 00:52.08 | funyun | pics, i have them uploaded but don't feel like manually searching.. |
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| 00:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I forgot to give the default answer: "check in your backups" :-P |
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| 00:53.00 | jsoftw | :| |
| 00:53.04 | jsoftw | Debian is fail for me :( |
| 00:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, there's a program that would undelete them if you knew what they were (it's checking the magic number on starts of disk blocks and puts it in files) - but that restores all deleted pictures ever(if they're still around) |
| 00:54.40 | funyun | i don't really need them restored. i just need the names. |
| 00:54.48 | cafuego | jsoftw: fail how? |
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| 00:55.05 | jsoftw | cafuego: bad IO, and a lame xen |
| 00:55.23 | cafuego | kvm is the new black, dontcherknow? |
| 00:55.43 | cafuego | Actually, it's probably not. It was last year. |
| 00:56.13 | cafuego | jsoftw: bad IO would depend on hardware and kernewl, which are essentially identical across distros. |
| 00:56.28 | jsoftw | mmm. |
| 00:56.49 | jsoftw | Anyway, thanks for the help peoples. |
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| 00:56.53 | cafuego | jsoftw: I've been playing with linux-vserver actually. |
| 00:56.59 | cafuego | Well fine. |
| 00:57.01 | pipeline | cafuego: ... default IO scheduler matters a lot. |
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| 00:57.23 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: there's no delete log or something? |
| 00:57.34 | cafuego | pipeline: Doesn't everyhting use CFQ? |
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| 00:58.41 | acidslep | guise |
| 00:58.47 | acidslep | halps wit fonts plz? |
| 00:58.58 | cafuego | lol - ceiling cat |
| 00:59.09 | acidslep | grovels in reverence |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | acidslep: we've told you before .. speak english please |
| 00:59.22 | acidslep | dis is englesk as it get broseph |
| 00:59.32 | acidslep | but ok :) |
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| 00:59.38 | gros_caca_long | my xserver is open. send me something fun on my screen |
| 00:59.41 | Guerin | acidslep: den diz are halp as gets |
| 01:00.01 | acidslep | wundabar! |
| 01:01.01 | acidslep | this is a priority -5 problem :). my cmatrix cannot do -l (change font) even though i am able to change to matrix.psf manually, i still cant get cmatrix to work with it >< |
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| 01:02.26 | acidslep | savvy? |
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| 01:03.12 | monomo | ls |
| 01:03.14 | monomo | whoops |
| 01:03.18 | acidslep | lolz :) |
| 01:03.25 | monomo | forgot to switch :p |
| 01:03.35 | acidslep | bash: do you really want me to? |
| 01:03.46 | cafuego | Password: |
| 01:03.50 | monomo | lol |
| 01:03.57 | acidslep | shakespear |
| 01:04.12 | cafuego | Hmm. pear. |
| 01:04.20 | acidslep | iambiac pentamater |
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| 01:04.35 | acidslep | that would be a decent pass :) |
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| 01:07.59 | b-04 | hi |
| 01:08.01 | acidslep | peer claims another victim |
| 01:08.02 | acidslep | hoi |
| 01:08.05 | b-04 | i have a digital camera sony |
| 01:08.11 | b-04 | is conected to pc |
| 01:08.15 | acidslep | oh boy! |
| 01:08.16 | b-04 | how to download images from camera? |
| 01:08.18 | acidslep | tell me more! |
| 01:08.38 | acidslep | dmesg | tail | #flood |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | b-04: plug it in .. depending on your WM/DE .. it will tell you that you have connected a camera |
| 01:09.21 | acidslep | really? |
| 01:09.26 | acidslep | neato.. |
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| 01:10.01 | b-04 | abrotman, is a sony cyber shot |
| 01:10.09 | b-04 | 7,2 megapixel :P |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | and so what? |
| 01:10.23 | acidslep | lol |
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| 01:10.58 | b-04 | abrotman, and.. i dont understant |
| 01:11.00 | b-04 | :( |
| 01:11.01 | b-04 | sorry |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | plug it in |
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| 01:11.46 | b-04 | abrotman, its conected :D |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | b-04: do you use kde or gnome? |
| 01:12.08 | b-04 | enlightment e17 |
| 01:12.15 | b-04 | and i have installed gnone |
| 01:12.22 | acidslep | yay E :) |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | acidslep: be quiet |
| 01:12.39 | troubled | whats the name of the debian git package? |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | b-04: does the camera have more than one mode? |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | b-04: some have pptp mode |
| 01:13.00 | abrotman | erm .. ptp? |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | whatever it is |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | troubled: git-core ? |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | b-04: does 'dmesg' say anything useful ? |
| 01:14.16 | acidslep | haha :) |
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| 01:15.56 | bipolar | Is there any way to get Etch to recondnise USB devices with partitions bigger then 2TB? |
| 01:16.34 | troubled | abrotman: just git-core? thanks. I seem to recall that "git" was not related earlier, but a search for "apt-cache search git | grep ^git" seems to mention alot of git-??? packages, just wasn't sure which ones I needed :) |
| 01:16.39 | b-04 | abrotman, usb 1-7: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 usb 1-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 01:16.57 | abrotman | troubled: apt-cache --names-only search git |
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| 01:17.13 | abrotman | b-04: sounds like a mass storage device .. just mount the camera as a vfat device |
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| 01:18.15 | b-04 | abrotman, i set to mode "ptp" internal memori |
| 01:18.25 | b-04 | now, dmesg says : |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | i'd not set it to ptp |
| 01:18.39 | b-04 | usb 1-7: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 usb 1-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 01:18.55 | b-04 | the file /dev/sdb not exist :S |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | i'd not set it to ptp |
| 01:19.24 | troubled | abrotman: thats a handy switch! why didn't you tell me 5 years ago?! ;) |
| 01:19.42 | acidslep | i'd not set it to ptp |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | troubled: you has a man page ? |
| 01:20.00 | abrotman | acidslep: seriously .. be quiet ... you're not being helpful at all |
| 01:20.05 | troubled | abrotman: i has :) |
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| 01:20.36 | troubled | abrotman: you know how it is. you get used to what works and just stick with it |
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| 01:21.17 | abrotman | troubled: should i tell you about `apt-cache -- search mysql -dev` ? |
| 01:21.22 | abrotman | for example :) |
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| 01:21.27 | troubled | actually, I upgraded a box to lenny the other day that apt-get couldn't finish (choked when it seen nfs mounted), and aptitude handled it no problem. So I guess im a little behind the times :) |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | apt-cache search has had --names-only since .. at least sarge |
| 01:21.49 | cafuego | troubled: alias ftw |
| 01:21.56 | b-04 | abrotman, now the dmesg says : sdb: rw=0, want=49344, limit=49343 buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 49342 |
| 01:21.56 | troubled | :) heya cafuego |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | b-04: unplug it and replug it |
| 01:22.16 | cafuego | b-04: What is the camera model and what is your kernel version? |
| 01:22.38 | troubled | abrotman: tbh, i never really looked at all the switches lately. Guess I just like grepfu ;) But I am aware of the meaning of -- to bash :) |
| 01:22.38 | b-04 | Linux b-04 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Tue Jun 17 20:57:16 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:22.47 | b-04 | i have a sony cyber shot 7.2 |
| 01:23.24 | cafuego | me wonders if it ahs the same sorts of firmware issues my D80 has |
| 01:23.53 | mythomaniac | is there anyway to convert synaptic install mark files into a bash script? |
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| 01:26.20 | b-04 | abrotman, i re plug |
| 01:26.39 | b-04 | and... says this error :/ |
| 01:26.52 | b-04 | Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 49342 attempt to access beyond end of device sdb: rw=0, want=49344, limit=49343 |
| 01:27.07 | acidslep | thats ok actually? |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | b-04: you could try to mount it |
| 01:27.33 | acidslep | er, have we tried justmounting it.. oh nvm.. |
| 01:27.37 | b-04 | b-04:/mnt/ka/dcim# ls101_sony |
| 01:27.40 | b-04 | very good |
| 01:27.42 | b-04 | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:27.44 | b-04 | its works |
| 01:27.50 | b-04 | i loves abrotman :) |
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| 01:28.13 | acidslep | was trying to do the same thing from the beginning? |
| 01:28.13 | cafuego | can you actually copy stuff off, though |
| 01:28.24 | acidslep | loves abrotman too |
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| 01:29.20 | cafuego | acidslep: Not without paying me first you don't. |
| 01:31.00 | acidslep | XD |
| 01:31.09 | acidslep | shouldent i pay him though? |
| 01:31.21 | cafuego | No, payments go through me. |
| 01:31.30 | cafuego | If he's good he gets 25% |
| 01:31.42 | acidslep | forks it over to cafuego |
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| 01:32.41 | neoice | ok, so I changed the umask in login.defs, but the users are still using the old one |
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| 01:32.45 | neoice | am I missing something? |
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| 01:33.18 | simonrvn | login.defs is old... you need to change the system's shell rc files |
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| 01:33.55 | neoice | so /etc/profile, bash.bashrc, csh? |
| 01:34.34 | xerophyt1 | how can i find what kind of disk my server has sas or sata? dmesg has all firewall logs is there any other ways to find out |
| 01:34.59 | acidslep | grep dmesg, whats sas? |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | !tell xerophyt1 about whats my hardware |
| 01:35.25 | b-04 | abrotman mr. awesome :) |
| 01:35.45 | neoice | simonrvn: all the shell files are changed too.... |
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| 01:37.27 | troubled | simonrvn: heyas |
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| 01:38.31 | neoice | ls |
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| 01:41.23 | neoice | seriously, I _must_ be missing something because the umask isnt changing |
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| 01:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, no - you can do something like "alias rm="rm -i";alias mv="mv -i";alias cp="cp -i" in .bashrc to prevent such deletions, but else stuff is just deleted |
| 01:42.59 | troubled | neoice: did you relogin? |
| 01:43.14 | neoice | does su effect it? |
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| 01:44.20 | troubled | if you use "su - username" probably |
| 01:44.20 | troubled | without the -, it doesn't do an environment source though iirc |
| 01:44.45 | cesar_CR | hello guys I have installed a debian etch server that has a 3wave raid card |
| 01:45.09 | cesar_CR | I did it with a netinstall iso that has the driver on it |
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| 01:45.41 | cesar_CR | if I do a dist-upgrade will I lose the driver operation ? |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | dist-upgrade to what ? |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | i mean .. you sohuldn't |
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| 01:46.40 | cesar_CR | I mean when lenny becomes stable. |
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| 01:47.02 | troubled | cesar_CR: when I did an dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, it kept my current kernel, so it wouldnt be an issue |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | you sholdn't |
| 01:47.30 | troubled | cesar_CR: what I mean is that I had to manually install the 2.6.26 (?) kernel from lenny |
| 01:47.33 | brand0con | hi all, I'm running ubuntu on my eee 901 and suddenly the machine locked up, crashed, and wont boot. only gives me error that ata2.01: status:{drdy] followed by 2 similar messages. how can i drop to shell on boot and try to fix this |
| 01:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but gods and gremlins only know if you will :-P |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | brand0con: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:47.51 | brand0con | tried |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | brand0con: ask #ubuntu again |
| 01:47.56 | cesar_CR | troubled, so I have the keep the working kernel to keep the driver |
| 01:47.58 | brand0con | noone there knows anything |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | brand0con: then install Debian on it |
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| 01:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, will that people in #ubuntu know more? |
| 01:48.20 | brand0con | haha debian doesnt work well on it or at all last time i checked |
| 01:48.21 | troubled | cesar_CR: yes, a dist-upgrade should keep the exact kernel you are using now (2.6.18 in etch prolly) |
| 01:48.27 | brand0con | i may retry tho |
| 01:48.28 | cesar_CR | abrotman, why I sholdn't |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | brand0con: then go ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | cesar_CR: huh? |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | troubled: he asked about when lenny is released |
| 01:49.19 | TurboBee | a crontab entry like this will run every day at 21:51 right? 51 21 * * * rsync |
| 01:49.21 | n3kl | How big of mem os bigmem? |
| 01:49.26 | brand0con | abrotman: thx |
| 01:49.29 | cesar_CR | I should not do what ? upgrade ? or have problems ? |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | n3kl: -bigmem is up to 64GB |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | cesar_CR: it should be perfectly fine |
| 01:49.52 | n3kl | and i386 is 3G, right? |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | 4GB-ish |
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| 01:50.13 | abrotman | and -486 is 960MB IIRC |
| 01:50.22 | cesar_CR | thanks abrotman troubled |
| 01:50.26 | n3kl | kewl |
| 01:50.51 | troubled | abrotman: i just seen a query about driver issues during upgrade, just trying to explain it wouldnt be an issue on dist-upgrade |
| 01:51.04 | troubled | abrotman: thanks for pointing that out though :) |
| 01:52.21 | troubled | TurboBee: looks about right |
| 01:52.53 | TurboBee | troubled it doesn't seem to be running at the specified time, what are some things I can check? |
| 01:52.56 | troubled | TurboBee: although, might I suggest using the full path to rsync, and also to redirect the output to /dev/null or you will get a daily email with the output of the rsync |
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| 01:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | TurboBee, no - /usr/bin/rsync |
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| 01:53.30 | troubled | TurboBee: check the syslog? are you using it as a /etc/cron* entry or a user specific crontab? |
| 01:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think /bin and .... what else is in the cron path |
| 01:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's /usr/bin and you're good :) |
| 01:53.53 | troubled | TurboBee: if its a cron from /etc/cron.*/ you need to chmod +x and add a she-bang |
| 01:54.10 | TurboBee | I made the changes using "crontab -e" |
| 01:54.31 | troubled | TurboBee: okay, no need for she-bang then |
| 01:54.34 | TurboBee | heh |
| 01:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | TurboBee, and what's an isolated "rsync" supposed to do? |
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| 01:54.48 | troubled | TurboBee: is cron running? |
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| 01:54.51 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: good point :) |
| 01:54.56 | TurboBee | yes I'm gonna tyr the full paths as suggested |
| 01:55.08 | troubled | TurboBee: I assume you are using a full rsync command and not just "rsync"? |
| 01:55.14 | TurboBee | yeah |
| 01:55.24 | TurboBee | I was just abbreviating it, I actually did this line as a test |
| 01:55.28 | troubled | TurboBee: okay, just checking :) |
| 01:55.32 | TurboBee | 56 21 * * * touch /backup/patrick |
| 01:55.45 | troubled | did it work? |
| 01:55.53 | TurboBee | no, I need to find the path for touch |
| 01:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | TurboBee, still, mind that cron sets a custom path... |
| 01:55.56 | troubled | is cron daemon running? |
| 01:56.04 | TurboBee | Tramp yes it is running |
| 01:56.05 | TurboBee | err |
| 01:56.07 | TurboBee | troubled |
| 01:56.11 | TurboBee | CutMeOwnThroat custom path? |
| 01:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:56.29 | troubled | TurboBee: the PATH var he means I think |
| 01:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not your normal path, but only /bin and, I think /usr/bin |
| 01:56.31 | TurboBee | where does the output of the cron jobs go to? |
| 01:56.40 | troubled | to your mail |
| 01:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's mailed to you |
| 01:56.45 | troubled | (type "mail" |
| 01:56.45 | Mark_Jones | Hello everyone I am a relatively new Linux user, I started on Ubuntu as my first distro about 4 months ago and I ditched Windows for good.However I have just recently, this past week, downloaded and tried the Debian stable release.I had a few things I wanted to clear up if anyone would take the time. |
| 01:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, ask |
| 01:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ask |
| 01:57.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:58.09 | karsten | Mark_Jones: So: what's up? |
| 01:58.21 | Mark_Jones | Debian Etch stable seems very good and reliable.Some of the apps are older than in the Ubuntu releases, but I can clearly see that they are much more reliable and stable than in Ubuntu.Such as my experience with K3B in ubuntu doesnt like to verify writes.In debian it works great every time. |
| 01:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if that was a question |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | oh .. verbose complaints! |
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| 01:59.05 | Mark_Jones | I also love the idea that Debian has ISOs of there repositories for download.I did download all 3 DVDs for etch. |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | oh .. chapter one is over :) |
| 01:59.21 | karsten | Mark_Jones: I suspect you've got slightly different idea of what "stable" means as applies to Debian, but go ahead. |
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| 01:59.44 | Mark_Jones | I just today wanted to try Debian testing and I get a "soft crash" or some error on bootup with testing.Is this common? |
| 01:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsubsection 1.1.3? |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | depends on the text of the error |
| 02:00.09 | Mark_Jones | I cant get past the error to install. |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | do you have the text of the error ? |
| 02:00.20 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Where in the startup does this occur? |
| 02:00.34 | Mark_Jones | After I select graphical install. |
| 02:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is a "soft crash"? |
| 02:00.41 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Sequence should be: BIOS, SYSLINUX, kernel boot, interactive startup. |
| 02:01.02 | karsten | Mark_Jones: I'm with CutMeOwnThroat. "soft crash" doesn't mean anything here. |
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| 02:01.28 | Mark_Jones | wording may have been diferent but it said my CPU was frozen after 11sec |
| 02:01.51 | Mark_Jones | Not sure what you mean by BIOS, SYSLINUX etc. |
| 02:02.01 | Mark_Jones | it doesnt have an installer like etch has? |
| 02:02.01 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Reboot off the install disk. Note down the exact error message. A few lines preceeding it may also be useful. Come back and tell us. |
| 02:02.11 | Mark_Jones | ok |
| 02:02.14 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Those are different stages of the boot process. |
| 02:02.16 | Mark_Jones | ill be back in a min. |
| 02:02.19 | TurboBee | how do i scroll to the last message with "mail" |
| 02:02.21 | karsten | Mark_Jones: BIOS == the computer hardware itself. |
| 02:02.33 | Mark_Jones | ok ill be right back. |
| 02:02.35 | karsten | Mark_Jones: SYSLINUX == the CD / DVD bootloader. |
| 02:02.47 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Kernel == the linux kernel itself starting. |
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| 02:03.00 | karsten | Mark_Jones: You'll see that prefaced with "Starting Linux kernel..." or something like that. |
| 02:03.03 | karsten | Feh. |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | this is going to get confusing! |
| 02:03.12 | karsten | High output . Low input. |
| 02:03.13 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 02:03.26 | karsten | I think he's from the Chicago area. |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | because he doesn't listen? :) |
| 02:03.51 | karsten | No. |
| 02:03.55 | karsten | Based on MTR. |
| 02:03.59 | karsten | :) |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | should we hunt him down? |
| 02:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can he have a "soft crash" (?) if he has to reboot to see the error? |
| 02:04.19 | karsten | I like to sort out where people are coming from particularly to sort out any language issues. |
| 02:04.23 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: NFC. |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | karsten: wasn't rr.com good enough ? |
| 02:04.34 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: See also: FIIK |
| 02:04.53 | karsten | abrotman: That too. I just generally run mtr to see if I can sort out where someone's from. |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | just guesses |
| 02:05.11 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | like .. let's send CutMeOwnThroat to find Mark_Jones |
| 02:05.22 | karsten | 'cntoh2' I suspect is Cincinnati, Ohio. |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | they seem to be close together! |
| 02:05.24 | TurboBee | ok crontab works now |
| 02:05.25 | TurboBee | thanks |
| 02:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, agreed, the National Football Conference is probably involved |
| 02:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, don't you DARE |
| 02:06.02 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: So FIIK is ... ? |
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| 02:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was a 17 year old girl shot down in a bus just a couple of weeks ago... |
| 02:06.36 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ?? |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | karsten: he's also in chicago |
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| 02:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, that was about sending me into the depth of Chicagos underworld to seek this guy out... I'm close to chicago |
| 02:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... as you might have noticed |
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| 02:07.37 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, I had rather recently. |
| 02:07.40 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Whereabouts? |
| 02:07.45 | Mark_Jones | Ok I have the error... |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | karsten: you can use MTR .. but you can't read his hostmask ? |
| 02:07.59 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Evanston? |
| 02:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I guess http://www.fiik.com/ tells you about FIIK :-P |
| 02:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 02:08.15 | Mark_Jones | BUG:soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 11s! [modprobe:699] |
| 02:08.16 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Coolio. |
| 02:08.23 | Mark_Jones | hdc:drive not ready for command |
| 02:08.31 | Mark_Jones | any ideas? |
| 02:08.46 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Sounds like a bad module load attempt. What's the line(s) before that? |
| 02:08.58 | Mark_Jones | its right after loading the kernal |
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| 02:09.18 | karsten | Mark_Jones: yeah, I can tell that. |
| 02:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha - and it's a "soft lockup" - compare here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=935396 |
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| 02:10.11 | karsten | Mark_Jones: We're basically googling that error. |
| 02:10.14 | karsten | found same page. |
| 02:10.21 | Mark_Jones | I dont mind sticking with Debian Etch, since the apps work without as many bugs as ubuntu plus there are downloadable repository DVDs which I like for easy offline app installs. |
| 02:10.32 | karsten | Mark_Jones: OK. |
| 02:10.44 | karsten | Mark_Jones: That page suggests a 'noapic' boot option. |
| 02:10.46 | Mark_Jones | just thought I would give testing a shot. |
| 02:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | not that _they_ found the problem |
| 02:11.11 | Mark_Jones | no idea what noapic is |
| 02:11.24 | karsten | Mark_Jones: When tye CD/DVD boots, you'll see a line, briefly, usually 'SYSLINUX', which pauses for a few seconds (say, 5), you'll have the option to do stuff there. |
| 02:11.32 | karsten | Mark_Jones: We know you don't know. I'm telling you. Patience. |
| 02:11.37 | Mark_Jones | ok |
| 02:11.56 | karsten | Mark_Jones: I think you can hit various function keys (<F1>, <F2>, ...) at that point for boot options. |
| 02:12.20 | karsten | Mark_Jones: What you'll want to do is enter, I think, 'linux noapic', then <enter> (or <return> if you prefer). |
| 02:12.23 | karsten | See if you can boot then. |
| 02:12.27 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Don't leave yet. |
| 02:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can? |
| 02:12.34 | Mark_Jones | k |
| 02:12.36 | karsten | Mark_Jones: How many computers do you have right now? |
| 02:12.44 | Mark_Jones | 1 |
| 02:12.52 | Mark_Jones | Running Ubuntu |
| 02:12.53 | karsten | Mark_Jones: More to the point: cnan you stay in dchat while trying stuff? |
| 02:12.57 | karsten | OK, no. |
| 02:13.01 | Mark_Jones | no |
| 02:13.03 | karsten | Allright. Hold on one sec. |
| 02:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 02:13.35 | Mark_Jones | I read somewhere that I might be able to add the DVDs for testing as repositories in stable installation and simply upgrade to testing. |
| 02:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what kernel version is it that crashes? |
| 02:13.50 | karsten | Mark_Jones: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 02:13.55 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Boot opitons for the installer. |
| 02:14.06 | Mark_Jones | Oh I have the weekly build BTW is that an ok one to be using or not? |
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| 02:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:14.44 | karsten | Mark_Jones: noapic is a pretty standard problem. How old is the computer you're installing onto / what are its basic specs (CPU, memory amount, disk type (SATA, ATA, etc.) |
| 02:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | just 'cause it sais "This appears to be unique to the Ubuntu kernel 2.6.24-19. Apparently 2.6.24-18 is un-afflicted." |
| 02:15.02 | Mark_Jones | 1.8Ghz AMD Athlon XP |
| 02:15.12 | karsten | Mark_Jones: OK. |
| 02:15.20 | abrotman | and his kernel is out of date |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | which might "fix" the bug |
| 02:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the same problem is appearing for this guy with a patchlevel change in ubuntu.... that's kind of weird |
| 02:15.56 | Mark_Jones | Is the weekly build on to be using for testing? |
| 02:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it suggests that it's a bug that's patched into ubuntu kernels... and seemingly now also into testing kernels |
| 02:16.07 | Mark_Jones | ok i meant to say |
| 02:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "weekly build"? |
| 02:16.54 | Mark_Jones | when i went to download the 5 DVDs I went to the weekly build option. dated oct 6 08 |
| 02:16.57 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Let's assume for the moment that it is. My most recent install used a current testing/unstable netinst disk. |
| 02:17.21 | karsten | Mark_Jones: BTW, it's generally recommended to do netinst rather than full ISO installs, we can explain more later. |
| 02:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also try "acpi=off" as a boot option when you're rebooting - together with noapic and either alone |
| 02:18.29 | karsten | Mark_Jones: Go ahead and try booting. When you get to the syslinux screen, hit any key to stop the process (space usually works), read what's on the screen, and specify the 'nopapic' option. Should be 'linux noapic', but make sure that's right. Tell us what happens. And yeah, what CutMeOwnThroat just said. You can spcify _both_ options at the same time. |
| 02:18.30 | Mark_Jones | Ok does the netinst require internet access to install? or is it self sufficent? |
| 02:18.37 | karsten | Mark_Jones: 'linux noapic apic=off' |
| 02:18.51 | karsten | Mark_Jones: No, netinst requires internet access during the installation process. |
| 02:18.58 | karsten | Mark_Jones: It does save you a lot of downloading though. |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
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| 02:19.13 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | the bizcard requires it .. the netinst does not |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | the netinst disc has enough to get you a base system |
| 02:19.39 | Mark_Jones | I personally like to have the DVD repositories.Its nice. |
| 02:19.41 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 02:19.43 | Mark_Jones | Ubuntu dont have that. |
| 02:19.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought "it saves you a lot of downloading" --> "no it does not" |
| 02:20.19 | karsten | Mark_Jones: They get outdated quickly. I actually generally use any old bootable media and a chroot 'debootstrap' install, but that's me. |
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| 02:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mark_Jones, definitely also try apci=off as the only kernel option |
| 02:21.33 | Mark_Jones | I apreciate the apci thing but Ill never remeber that down the road. |
| 02:21.46 | Mark_Jones | ill just stick with stable. |
| 02:22.22 | Mark_Jones | The apps are probably more reliable anyways, as compared to testing.I know K3B in stable is better than the newer one in ubuntu. |
| 02:22.39 | Mark_Jones | it verifies. |
| 02:22.44 | Olof | i just installed an ircd (inspircd) as a non-root user and set it to port 6667 but i can only connect from localhost to it |
| 02:22.55 | Olof | not from another computer in the network to it |
| 02:23.01 | karsten | Mark_Jones: 'stable' means that the packages don't change for the life of the release. |
| 02:23.04 | Olof | is there any firewall etc activated as default? |
| 02:23.11 | Olof | (i got apache up and running fine) |
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| 02:23.20 | karsten | Mark_Jones: So: 'stable' won't suddenly upgrade you from, say, KDE3 to KDE4, or whatever is current. |
| 02:23.46 | Mark_Jones | right I know. |
| 02:23.56 | karsten | Mark_Jones: The apps themselves shoul dhave no major bugs when the distro is released (we're preparing to release lenny RSN, and there's bugsquashing going on). |
| 02:24.10 | karsten | Mark_Jones: ... but bugs and security updates will be applied. That's what stable is. |
| 02:24.17 | Mark_Jones | I just like the fact the the apps that it has have been tested and are found relibale.Rather than running accross bugs in Ubuntu apps. |
| 02:25.05 | karsten | Mark_Jones: unstable/testing basically allows major changes to the system. For _my_ desktop, it's what I run. Ubuntu does planned releases ever 6 months with periodic LTS (long-term support) releases about every two years. |
| 02:25.23 | karsten | Yeah. Overall quality tends to be better with Debian, from what I read. |
| 02:25.32 | karsten | now has a kubuntu box as well. |
| 02:25.40 | karsten | Anyhow, time to cook dinner. Happy booting. |
| 02:26.22 | Mark_Jones | Yeah from what I follow ubuntu is based on debian testing, it has the newer apps like debian testing but some have things in them that dont work or are unreliable. |
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| 02:27.38 | Mark_Jones | I would rather have the slightly dated apps of Debian stable, offline DVD repositories, and apps that just work. |
| 02:27.50 | Mark_Jones | Its nice. |
| 02:27.59 | LemensTS | my dhcp3-server will not start, this is when i first install it and it trys to start after installation is done: http://pastebin.com/m5f09a005 the log file doesnt help |
| 02:28.35 | Mark_Jones | Is there any word on when Debian testing will be finished and released as the new stable Lenny? |
| 02:29.03 | Ian_Daniher | question about shell scripting: http://69.61.230.246/foosh2 doesn't work - it doesn't stop counting at 15 |
| 02:29.07 | Ian_Daniher | any suggestions? |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | Mark_Jones: WIR, RSN, SIYH |
| 02:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would a bug that is introduced by an ubuntu kernel patch suddenly also turn up in testing |
| 02:29.46 | Mark_Jones | what? |
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| 02:29.52 | Mark_Jones | WIR etcs? |
| 02:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mark_Jones, try /msg dpkg WIR |
| 02:30.37 | Mark_Jones | CutMeOwnThroat as far as I have read Ubuntu is a snapshot of debian testing. |
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| 02:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no, they have their own packages with their own patches... |
| 02:34.16 | n3kl | How do I install all the required deps of a given package? |
| 02:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are some packages they just take from Debian, though |
| 02:34.28 | Sling | n3kl : by using aptitude for example. it checks deps |
| 02:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, apt-get install package |
| 02:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or aptitude, of course |
| 02:34.58 | n3kl | it was more apt-get -b source wine, now I have a bunch of wine debs, but they won't install because of missing deps |
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| 02:37.31 | miksuh | n3kl: why did you compile wine from source? wine is in debian repository |
| 02:37.46 | n3kl | yes and yes |
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| 02:38.05 | n3kl | I compiled from debian source though |
| 02:38.08 | n3kl | from the repos |
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| 02:38.44 | n3kl | wine is having probles with an app that should so I am trying to test and see if source is any different |
| 02:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, is "apt-get builddeps package" what you meant? |
| 02:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, sorry, misunderstood |
| 02:39.18 | n3kl | its build-dep, but yeah |
| 02:39.50 | n3kl | so I have the debs for wine wine-bin and wine-utils build from source and I want to install them |
| 02:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, I guess you can just install them with dpkg -i , then do aptitude -f install and select a solution that doesn't remove those new packages |
| 02:40.01 | n3kl | dpkg -i wine*.deb does not work |
| 02:40.01 | dpkg | installs wine*.deb does not work into n3kl's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 02:40.12 | n3kl | thanks dpkg |
| 02:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hope THAT helps ;) |
| 02:40.25 | n3kl | ha |
| 02:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, it normally does work - only the packages are not fully installed |
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| 02:42.22 | n3kl | http://pastebin.com/m74900efb |
| 02:42.46 | n3kl | usually this works, then you just do apt-get -f install to fix all the dependencies |
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| 02:43.59 | n3kl | no workie |
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| 02:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, that's just dpkg, what;s the problem with apt-get -f i nstall? |
| 02:45.36 | n3kl | it wants to remove the packages I just installed |
| 02:45.46 | n3kl | 3 not fully installed or removed. |
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| 02:47.14 | n3kl | oh fuck |
| 02:47.32 | n3kl | I had the source line from sid for the nvidia drivers cause lenny is jacked |
| 02:47.36 | n3kl | it pulled source from lenny |
| 02:47.41 | n3kl | er, sid |
| 02:47.47 | n3kl | how do I get the source from lenny |
| 02:47.58 | n3kl | apt-get -b source lenny/wine ? |
| 02:48.24 | LemensTS | i have eth0 as wan card, and eth1 as dhcp server to my clients. How do I bridge eth1 to eth0 so they can access the internet? |
| 02:48.42 | n3kl | LemensTS: install bridge-utils and man brctl |
| 02:48.48 | n3kl | !bridge |
| 02:48.48 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments that use the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), and also to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same network protocol. <bridge setup>. |
| 02:49.03 | LemensTS | n3kl: cool i wasnt sure if i needed to do iptables or bridge interface |
| 02:49.05 | LemensTS | thanks |
| 02:49.10 | bipolar | I have a huge external USB drive. 4.3 TB. I've partitioned it in three, 2x2TB and a third with the remainder. Etch only sees the first partition. Am I hosed by a kernel limitation or is there a way to see the other partitons in Etch? |
| 02:49.42 | n3kl | this is a single disk? or a usb raid? |
| 02:49.59 | bipolar | n3kl: It's a Drobo unit... kind of a raid. |
| 02:50.08 | n3kl | wtf is a drobo |
| 02:50.18 | bipolar | ummm..... |
| 02:50.31 | bipolar | http://www.drobo.com |
| 02:50.49 | karsten | reyurns w/ fud |
| 02:51.10 | bipolar | Its an external usb hard drive enclosure. It's kind of like a raid unit, but not exactly. |
| 02:51.31 | n3kl | ok, one of those |
| 02:51.33 | n3kl | bah |
| 02:51.37 | bipolar | It presents itself to the OS as a single device. |
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| 02:52.12 | bipolar | I can use the first 2TB partition, but the others are not seen by etch. |
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| 02:53.11 | bipolar | That other distro that uses deb's can see them, but it has a newer kernel. |
| 02:53.47 | bipolar | In fact, I started out with a single 4.3TB partiton, but etch didn't see it. |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | what is your kernel? |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | etch has a .24 available |
| 02:54.05 | bipolar | I think support for the bigger kernel came in .24.... oh? |
| 02:54.25 | bipolar | 2.6.18-5-amd64 < current kernel |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | bipolar: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 02:54.36 | abrotman | not only is your etch kernel out of date ... |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | bipolar: so aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf |
| 02:54.51 | bipolar | abrotman: cool. thanks! :) |
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| 02:55.08 | bipolar | abrotman: so I'm correct that the .18 kernel doesn't support it.... right? |
| 02:55.29 | bipolar | ... just a sanity check... |
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| 02:55.45 | abrotman | NFC .. never seen that .. but then again .. i don't need 1TB let alone 4TB |
| 02:56.02 | bipolar | abrotman: ok. thanks for the info :) |
| 02:56.19 | b-04 | someone have sound 5.1 or 7.1 using alsa or card: sound blaster live audigy 7.1 ? its for 7.1 speaks |
| 02:56.57 | limpio | hi all, i installed the app 'osdclock' in lenny with ratpoison but it doesn't appear on the screen, i added it to my .xinitrc (osdclock &) no dice. any ideas? |
| 02:57.25 | b-04 | the last thing I need is to configure sound, and my system is perfect |
| 02:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, that's what I told you - choose a solution where it doesn't remove them... |
| 02:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, aptitude lets you choose several solutions... just take one that keeps the packages (or see look into the package heade with dpkg -s for the dependencies and fulfill them yourself, of course) |
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| 03:08.57 | Flinx | ello |
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| 03:10.20 | _erikrose | Courier SMTP over SSL all of a sudden won't answer the phone. I can shout EHLO at it till I'm blue in the face, but it just sits there stupidly until I say QUIT. Anyone ever seen this before? Nothing's in the logs. |
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| 03:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | asterix in spain! There I've seen something similar |
| 03:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | _erikrose, how about the normal non-extended helo |
| 03:17.16 | _erikrose | CutMeOwnThroat: Same deal. |
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| 03:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you already kick the computer? |
| 03:17.45 | _erikrose | No matter what I throw at it, the server never responds. I consider myself lucky it closes the connection on QUIT. |
| 03:17.58 | _erikrose | It's my colo; I could probably put in a ticket for someone to kick it. ;-) |
| 03:18.05 | _erikrose | I did reboot it in frustration. |
| 03:18.18 | _erikrose | A kick-it ticket, if you will :-) |
| 03:18.52 | _erikrose | I guess I do get one thing in the log: a "esmtpd-ssl: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown" after the client gives up. |
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| 03:25.41 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. I was just being retarded |
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| 03:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | _erikrose, perhaps you're not talking with the smtp server, but with your ssl client? |
| 03:26.56 | _erikrose | CutMeOwnThroat: You think my keystrokes are never getting to my SMTP server? |
| 03:27.22 | _erikrose | Let me try talking to an HTTPS server to make sure... |
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| 03:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | _erikrose, well, you shouldnt get that message in the log if the QUIT was understood by the SMTP server |
| 03:28.22 | _erikrose | That worked. |
| 03:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I guess |
| 03:28.38 | _erikrose | Ah, well, that log message is when my mail program times out. |
| 03:28.46 | _erikrose | Let's see what happens when I QUIT. |
| 03:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about help |
| 03:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 03:28.57 | _erikrose | no response |
| 03:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean "HELP" |
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| 03:29.02 | _erikrose | Rigt. |
| 03:29.02 | erawfish | erawfish: why smtpd-ssl? why not simply TLS with smtp? |
| 03:29.03 | _erikrose | right |
| 03:29.28 | _erikrose | erawfish: I'm not sure exactly what flavor I'm using. |
| 03:29.32 | _erikrose | I can look in a sec. |
| 03:29.48 | erawfish | esthar: that#s the problem. the two are very different |
| 03:30.21 | erawfish | so quit works but ehlo does not? |
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| 03:32.03 | _erikrose | Well, I get a "220 mybox.com ESMTP" out of it when I connect, so the transport is good. |
| 03:32.44 | _erikrose | When I say HELO or EHLO, it says nothing. But when I say QUIT, it says DONE and then disconnects. |
| 03:32.55 | _erikrose | So I'm even getting a DONE out of it. |
| 03:33.27 | _erikrose | In other news, ntpd finally reigned my clock in, so that's one thing working. |
| 03:33.34 | _erikrose | Took its merry time. |
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| 03:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what more than DONE could anyone ask for |
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| 03:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try without ssl |
| 03:41.59 | _erikrose | Call me picky. |
| 03:42.07 | _erikrose | Good idea. |
| 03:42.15 | _erikrose | turns that back on. |
| 03:42.26 | shivraj | !tell shivraj about compiz-fusion |
| 03:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | erawfish, you're picky |
| 03:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell shivraj about selftell |
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| 03:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dumdidum |
| 03:55.10 | JyZyXEL | things are that good? |
| 03:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nobody's saying anything so I'll ask something to pass the time |
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| 03:55.25 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 03:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | does someone know how to switch between external monitor and "internal" tft on a laptop? |
| 03:56.22 | JyZyXEL | i didn't know it needed a switch |
| 03:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a virtual switch |
| 03:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | software does it |
| 03:56.47 | JyZyXEL | how terrible |
| 03:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:57.06 | JyZyXEL | the signal should just come out of it by default |
| 03:57.14 | JyZyXEL | so you only need to hook the cable and thats it |
| 03:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially bad to ask something when I'm the only one who would answer, also |
| 03:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but that's "clone mode" and ... I think has it's own limitations |
| 03:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | like - you'll see movies only one one of them |
| 03:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 03:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least that's so on my laptop - if I remember the times when I still booted windows on it correctly |
| 03:59.21 | JyZyXEL | the movie thing is probably cause of the drawing method used |
| 03:59.37 | JyZyXEL | like usually when playing video its overlayed or something liek dat |
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| 04:01.58 | JyZyXEL | like direct rendering and shit! |
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| 04:05.55 | dudeman | hell9o |
| 04:05.56 | dudeman | !!!! |
| 04:05.56 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 04:06.02 | dudeman | people of the #debian |
| 04:06.04 | dudeman | whas u |
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| 04:06.21 | karsten | dudeman: Duuude! |
| 04:06.27 | dudeman | hey buddy :) |
| 04:06.31 | JyZyXEL | dude, chill out! |
| 04:06.36 | dudeman | missed ya'll today |
| 04:06.43 | dudeman | been so busy I couldn't even pop in here |
| 04:06.47 | curtmack | Come on man, give me your keys. You don't want to drive when you're like this. |
| 04:06.57 | karsten | So, did Mark_Jones ever show up again? |
| 04:07.09 | dudeman | who is mr. jones? |
| 04:07.24 | karsten | dudeman: Someone I was helping w/ installer boot issues earlier. |
| 04:07.30 | dudeman | oh |
| 04:07.59 | karsten | cheks /lsatlog and decides "no". |
| 04:08.10 | Guerin | he's someone who can see something is happening, but he doesn't know what it is |
| 04:08.15 | Guerin | does he? |
| 04:08.17 | karsten | is feeling sleepy ... |
| 04:08.42 | karsten | Guerin: Why does that sound like a song lyric? |
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| 04:09.11 | karsten | Guerin: Dylan. Mr. Jones. |
| 04:09.39 | Guerin | karsten: hey, I was trying to formulate a witty rejoinder! |
| 04:09.46 | karsten | Erm, "Ballad of a Thin Man" |
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| 04:10.05 | karsten | goes on a lyrics hunt. |
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| 04:10.23 | JyZyXEL | its gettin hot in here |
| 04:10.27 | karsten | http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/147/bob_dylan..highway_61_revisited..ballad_of_a_thin_man.html |
| 04:10.32 | Guerin | JyZyXEL: showing your age. |
| 04:11.04 | karsten | Guerin: You try so hard but you don't understand / just what you will say when you get home / because something is happening here but you don't know what it is / do you, Mr. Jones? |
| 04:11.23 | dudeman | thats well and good |
| 04:12.09 | dudeman | here are some death metal lyrics for ya, by Mohommad Suicmez, "Incarceration of personality is the sad inception of self-denial. He who denies the inner-self, flees into deception." |
| 04:12.17 | dudeman | that is so true, deep, philosophical |
| 04:12.28 | dudeman | thats right, dm pwnz0rz |
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| 04:16.35 | Crypticfortune | hmm....So I just saw one of my dual cpu dual core boxes drop from "4 CPUs" (according to /proc/stat) to "3 CPUs".... how is that even possible?? |
| 04:17.29 | Crypticfortune | (running lenny with the stock 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel on AMD opterons, for what it's worth) |
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| 04:19.23 | karsten | Crypticfortune: As determined how? |
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| 04:20.34 | Crypticfortune | karsten: munin (cpu plugin) polls /proc/stat, reads out the CPU usage data. one of the CPUs apparently just "disapeared".... |
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| 04:22.38 | Neo_The_User | I'd like to apologize for my previous actions. I burned the CD in-correctly before which was why it ignored all my options that I chose in the installation. I swapped CD-R burners, changed burner software, burned it slower, works. |
| 04:23.13 | curtmack | Neo_The_User: I read "I burned the CD incorrectly" and thought "huh?" |
| 04:23.22 | curtmack | then I realized what you were saying |
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| 04:24.12 | Neo_The_User | I really got wols upset. I shouldn'thave been so offensive. It was my fault. I installed debian via net installer unstable weekly build, works fine. |
| 04:25.08 | Neo_The_User | wait a sec. How am I connected to the internet? I onlly configured my network once during installation and my network doesn't support DHCP. |
| 04:25.29 | Neo_The_User | did it remember that too? Wow! I'm starting to hate ubuntu more and more! |
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| 04:26.09 | Neo_The_User | curtmack, is there a way I can enable parralel so i can bet debian to boot faster? |
| 04:26.20 | Neo_The_User | *parallel * get |
| 04:26.45 | Crypticfortune | Neo_The_User: parallel what? |
| 04:27.21 | Neo_The_User | I want debian to boot from about 7 seconds to about 4 seconds without using coreboot |
| 04:27.40 | JyZyXEL | i want free money |
| 04:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, no, we got rid of him for good :) |
| 04:28.25 | Neo_The_User | i want a ferrari to end up in my garage. seriously, any simple way i can shave a few secs off my boot time? |
| 04:29.37 | Crypticfortune | Neo_The_User: remove unneeded packages? trim out any services you don't need from init? other than that, i dunno any more than google... |
| 04:29.41 | googlah | look for what boots up at boot time. rcS, for instance. |
| 04:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, suspend-to-ram |
| 04:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 04:30.52 | ameyer | get a faster computer? :P |
| 04:30.55 | Crypticfortune | ahh i'm guessing by parallel you mean running init processes in parallel. i dunno how to do that either, but am curious for curiosity's sake. |
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| 04:31.17 | ameyer | a faster HD would probably have the biggest effect |
| 04:31.23 | Neo_The_User | Crypticfortune, yep. |
| 04:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually wouldn't be a bad idea as long as stuff doesn't go wrong |
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| 04:31.45 | Neo_The_User | im turning stuff off in the session settings and services settings |
| 04:31.48 | Neo_The_User | that i dont need |
| 04:31.53 | Crypticfortune | does upstart support that? |
| 04:31.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean, *when* it goes wrong, you have all those 1000 messages garbled up alltogether |
| 04:32.15 | Neo_The_User | upstart? |
| 04:32.18 | googlah | Neo_The_User: You can also try the package "rcconf" and untick unwanted services |
| 04:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | just typed apt-cache search fast boot |
| 04:32.44 | Neo_The_User | thanks googlah. this irc channel is very very useful. soon i'll be answering questions..... i hope |
| 04:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | got - as one of 4 answers: fastdnaml - Tool for construction of phylogenetic trees of DNA sequences |
| 04:33.13 | JyZyXEL | slutty party girl is fun until she pukes on ur shoes |
| 04:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | scratches his head |
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| 04:33.41 | spradnyesh | hello, i'm running debian unstable on a new box w/ amd athlon x2. the problem is that the box runs fine in non-gui mode; but in gui mode it simply shuts down (w/o any warning or anything whatsoever) a few mins after logging in (sometimes 2, sometimes 10 mins). i can't see any error in klog/syslog/dmesg |
| 04:33.51 | googlah | Neo_The_User: cool. you should. :) |
| 04:34.19 | spradnyesh | searching online suggested some problem w/ bios reporting overheating. but then windoZe works fine, and so does debian (unstable) in non-gui mode |
| 04:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... package "preload" - has anyone of you used that? |
| 04:34.27 | spradnyesh | can someone help me please? |
| 04:34.56 | Gnurdux | "shuts down" meaning? |
| 04:35.06 | googlah | spradnyesh: Tried a different kernel? |
| 04:35.32 | curtmack | spradnyesh: Umm. Any particular reason you're using sid? |
| 04:35.32 | spradnyesh | googlah: tried lots of kernels |
| 04:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... spradnyesh ever tried logging into the machine from the net after it crashed? |
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| 04:35.53 | Neo_The_User | so if i want a faster boot, would rcconf or preload work better for me? |
| 04:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, apt-cache show preload |
| 04:36.13 | [RUsh] | How can I disable write cache on some devices during boot? |
| 04:36.13 | ameyer | CutMeOwnThroat: jikes-sablevm, pbuilder, and preload don't make much sense either |
| 04:36.16 | spradnyesh | curtmack: not really ;) |
| 04:36.27 | curtmack | Neo: you could always hibernate. Restoring from a hibernate state sometimes takes less time than a normal boot. |
| 04:36.29 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: almost definitely some driver issue. i'd suspect your video card drivers, given your X issues... |
| 04:36.33 | googlah | CutMeOwnThroat: "preload" - nope, but seemed good. although only using cli.. |
| 04:36.36 | Neo_The_User | i just type that in the terminal? |
| 04:36.40 | curtmack | Unless there's some reason you CAN'T hibernate. |
| 04:36.42 | spradnyesh | CutMeOwnThroat: how does one log on onto a shut-down box? |
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| 04:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ameyer, preload does! the keywords are all there - do the same apt-cache as I told Neo_The_User |
| 04:36.53 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: wakeonlan ^^ |
| 04:36.58 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: how do i check that? |
| 04:37.06 | curtmack | in the BIOS usually |
| 04:37.14 | Neo_The_User | so i type in sudo apt-cache show preload in terminal? |
| 04:37.30 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: haven't used wakeonlan ever |
| 04:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, "ssh my_username@192.168.2.1" from a different box (use the correct IP) |
| 04:37.55 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: can you redirect me to some short tutorial about the same? in any case, how would that help? |
| 04:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, or as a 1st measure just ping the machine from the outside |
| 04:38.08 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: /msg dpkg wol |
| 04:38.20 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: i mean, the box stays alive for hours in non-gui mode |
| 04:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, just because monitor/kbd are dead doesn't mean the kernel isn't running anymore |
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| 04:38.55 | spradnyesh | CutMeOwnThroat, the power switch is off is what i mean by box dies/shuts down |
| 04:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 04:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it switches itself? |
| 04:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | or do you mean the power-led? |
| 04:40.01 | ameyer | that sounds like overheating to me |
| 04:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you mean all fans and the harddisk shut down as well? |
| 04:40.12 | spradnyesh | everything shut down |
| 04:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah - that's not software anymore |
| 04:40.14 | Neo_The_User | installed / lauched rccconf. rebooting. thanks guys! |
| 04:40.16 | spradnyesh | no power led |
| 04:40.28 | spradnyesh | but then how come the box runs in non-gui mode for hours? |
| 04:40.35 | ameyer | although that *should* throw an error into the kernel log |
| 04:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, problem in the graphics card? |
| 04:40.38 | spradnyesh | and also windoZe gives no issues whatso ever |
| 04:40.46 | spradnyesh | am not sure |
| 04:40.56 | curtmack | spradnyesh: video card driver issue? |
| 04:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem with the graphics card triggered by only some event? |
| 04:41.05 | enouf | readedid/getedid ? |
| 04:41.08 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: do you have an onboard video card or other video card you could try running with? see if the same thing happens? |
| 04:41.09 | spradnyesh | how do i detect the event |
| 04:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's highly suspicious that everything should shut down |
| 04:41.17 | spradnyesh | onboard video card |
| 04:41.29 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: you're using onboard video now? what chipset? |
| 04:41.31 | spradnyesh | no errors in klog/syslog/dmesg |
| 04:41.41 | spradnyesh | will have to checkup; gimme a min plz |
| 04:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think I've seen that happen *ever* even on the many times the CUP overheated |
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| 04:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/CUP/CPU/ |
| 04:42.05 | ameyer | it therotetically would shut down |
| 04:42.11 | JyZyXEL | cup |
| 04:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it really didn't |
| 04:42.17 | JyZyXEL | combine that with two girls |
| 04:42.28 | JyZyXEL | you get 2 girls and a 1 cup |
| 04:42.36 | ameyer | it'd throw an error and shut the heck down |
| 04:42.38 | spradnyesh | Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H |
| 04:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it started beeping if lmsensors wasnt loaded and processes with high load mysteriously died (without the system crashing!) and sometimes it crashed |
| 04:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I can't remember that it shut down everything properly |
| 04:43.09 | ameyer | now, if you were actually overheating I'm not sure what actually would happen |
| 04:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I specially found the disappearing high-load processes interesting |
| 04:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's something I'd have never expected |
| 04:43.49 | spradnyesh | i'm not sure it overheats coz then even windoZe should shut down; or atleast debian in non-gui mode |
| 04:43.54 | spradnyesh | right? but that ain't happening |
| 04:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
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| 04:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there coming sparks from the graphics card? |
| 04:44.19 | spradnyesh | this is what i'm using:- http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/model.jsp?model_id=57383 |
| 04:44.31 | ameyer | the eeepc 144c bug caused shutdowns |
| 04:44.33 | Crypticfortune | ameyer: both intel and amd now have a "thermal shutdown pin" than when activated forces the motherboard to shutdown immediately, which could cause those symtoms, but it wouldn't explain why it doesn't happen in windows... (unless his windows does some CPU throttling). |
| 04:44.34 | spradnyesh | dunno, haven't opened the cabinet to check for sparks (and i hope not) |
| 04:44.44 | enouf | spradnyesh: pastebin your entire /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | spantiga, yeah, "underclock" the CPU and see if it goes away if you suspect overheating |
| 04:45.18 | spradnyesh | that box is currently off; will have to open it in non-gui mode, gimme a few mins plz |
| 04:45.21 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: have you tried givign it a good CPU/io workout without going into X? |
| 04:45.27 | ameyer | Crypticfortune: perhaps something Debian is doing something with X that's causing excessive heat |
| 04:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, (was just kidding) |
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| 04:45.51 | enouf | the only thing i can think of software wise, other than some funk-assed video driver is perhaps bad EDID info placed into xorg.conf |
| 04:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ameyer, you mean... like trying to display hot girls? |
| 04:46.01 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: also, all this talk about temperature, you should be checking the temperature while doing all this ;) |
| 04:46.03 | spradnyesh | not really |
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| 04:46.23 | enouf | spradnyesh: does a LiveCD boot also do the same? using X |
| 04:46.48 | enouf | $ apt-cache show read-edid |
| 04:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so |
| 04:47.01 | ameyer | could also be a psu issue when the graphics card starts pulling power |
| 04:47.09 | ameyer | but Windows should do it too |
| 04:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps windows runs in vga mode |
| 04:47.43 | enouf | ameyer: true, unlikely with onboard though .. hrm .. maybe SharedRam corruption - bad RAM? ... |
| 04:48.02 | enouf | is the ALSO another GPU installed spradnyesh ? |
| 04:48.02 | ameyer | shrug |
| 04:48.21 | spradnyesh | enouf: nopes, livecd works fine |
| 04:48.30 | spradnyesh | actually, i have a debian stable installed on same box |
| 04:48.41 | ameyer | wonders how high-end the ATI Radeon HD3200 chipset is |
| 04:48.51 | spradnyesh | that runs fine even in gui mode (although doesn't detect monitor properly and hence works in wrong resolution) |
| 04:49.03 | JyZyXEL | high-end and ATI? |
| 04:49.07 | ameyer | guesses the graphics driver is doing something weird |
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| 04:49.34 | ameyer | and livecds often use VESA rather than the appropriate accelerated driver |
| 04:49.37 | enouf | how about hardware specifics besides mobo make/model = like lspci -nn for starters - and grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:50.08 | ameyer | which would also explain the lack of "proper monitor detection" |
| 04:51.03 | enouf | well - i appeared late - no idea of earlier details - so you guys take it from here ;-) |
| 04:51.46 | spradnyesh | 1 more weird stuff; i just booted my pc (above said) and it got the same ip address from my router as my lappy (from which i'm chatting right now). they both have 192.168.1.2 ??? |
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| 04:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.20; route add gw 192.168.1.1; pkill ifup |
| 04:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 04:53.03 | acid | Hi could someone help me out. I am running debian 4 x64 , i have a ati radeon 3450, which driver should i use? |
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| 04:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, they can, but you should get a lot of aborted connections |
| 04:53.29 | acid | i working off this howto, http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html.. doesnt list my card |
| 04:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, linux doesn't have any detection for another computer using the same IP, so a load of "connection reset" is all you are going to see |
| 04:54.12 | acid | what is the best howto for my card? |
| 04:54.54 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: unless for some reason both computers have the same mac address also, suspect that your dhcp server is broken =p |
| 04:55.02 | acid | anyone? |
| 04:55.07 | enouf | !fglrx |
| 04:55.07 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 04:55.42 | curtmack | ah crap, the etch repository doesn't have a gtk 2.10 |
| 04:56.11 | spradnyesh | me was manually copying xorg.conf |
| 04:56.17 | spradnyesh | pasting it to pastebin in a sec |
| 04:56.31 | enouf | !tell spradnyesh -about gpm |
| 04:56.37 | enouf | !tell spradnyesh -about pastewithoutx |
| 04:57.11 | spradnyesh | enouf: thanks! |
| 04:57.12 | enouf | spradnyesh: that wasn't really necessary - just wanted to know if you had any EDID stuffs in there |
| 04:57.13 | JyZyXEL | !tell JyZyXEL -about gpm |
| 04:57.37 | enouf | !tell JyZyXEL -about msg the bot |
| 04:57.38 | JyZyXEL | and don't anyone dare to use the selftell |
| 04:57.43 | H2S04 | !tell enouf |
| 04:57.44 | enouf | haha |
| 04:57.46 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 04:58.04 | spradnyesh | it's here:- http://pastebin.com/d7ab67195 |
| 04:58.12 | ameyer | wonders what'd happen if he told the bot to tell itself something |
| 04:58.26 | JyZyXEL | lol do it |
| 04:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, dpkg doesn't know you |
| 04:58.52 | ameyer | !tell dpkg about gpm |
| 04:58.53 | enouf | dpkg: tell yourself sweet nothings |
| 04:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | tell dpkg about tell dpkg about tell dpkg about tell..... |
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| 04:59.10 | enouf | [00:57:23] [dpkg] No, enouf, I won't. |
| 04:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:59.32 | H2S04 | enouf, I'll have to make a factoid about you. |
| 04:59.33 | enouf | ok - enough botabuse! |
| 04:59.34 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 05:00.23 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: you mentioned X/graphics driver issues some time back |
| 05:00.30 | spradnyesh | how can i check for the same? |
| 05:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 05:00.43 | pgpkeys | dear dpkg please learn that enouf said that was enouf botabuse |
| 05:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | where's the device |
| 05:00.57 | spradnyesh | Crypticfortune: how do you mean? |
| 05:00.58 | curtmack | why doesn't the etch repository have gtk 2.10? |
| 05:01.12 | enouf | spradnyesh: wait - is that Etch? |
| 05:01.24 | spradnyesh | enouf: that's unstable (sid i guess) |
| 05:01.29 | enouf | ... |
| 05:01.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.52 | enouf | :-/ |
| 05:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, there should be a line " Driver " in Section "Device" |
| 05:02.01 | acid | could someone help. im trying to get ati drivers to work so i run apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src, i then get error that i need to downgrade my xorg ? Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 05:02.34 | enouf | downgrade? |
| 05:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | spradnyesh, I'm not surprised you're not getting X now - but I *am* surprised that X should be any problem with this xorg.conf |
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| 05:02.45 | spradnyesh | enouf: i have a pc and a lappy |
| 05:02.45 | spradnyesh | pc has 2 partitions, 1 w/ unstable and 1 w/ stable |
| 05:02.45 | spradnyesh | unstable crashes in gui mode |
| 05:02.45 | spradnyesh | stable doesn't recognise monitor |
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| 05:02.53 | Crypticfortune | spradnyesh: err I just said i thought it might be a driver issue, but as others have pointed out, we're still not sure what driver your X is using. you should post the things that enouf asked about (lspci -nn and xorg logs) |
| 05:03.10 | curtmack | okay so yeah, why doesn't etch have gtk 2.10? |
| 05:03.26 | webPragmatist | hey any of you around to help with apache authdigest... no one is awake in apache |
| 05:03.28 | webPragmatist | http://pastebin.ca/1233503 |
| 05:03.29 | H2S04 | !tell enouf |
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| 05:03.47 | enouf | H2S04: cut it out you weenie |
| 05:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, acid's gorn... impatient guy |
| 05:03.50 | spradnyesh | right now i'm logged in in single mode in unstable |
| 05:04.08 | webPragmatist | It just keeps asking for the password, i used htdigest to generate the file |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | Crypticfortune: i wonder if he even saw your post ;-) |
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| 05:04.32 | enouf | spradnyesh: i see now - as i said, i came late ,... ok |
| 05:04.41 | streuner_ | curtmack: why do you think you need 2.10? |
| 05:04.57 | spradnyesh | so is there something i can try now? |
| 05:05.11 | curtmack | streuner: Firefox 3 requires it |
| 05:05.25 | H2S04 | enouf, I'm not a weenie |
| 05:05.33 | enouf | quetoo? |
| 05:05.42 | enouf | wtf is that? lmao |
| 05:05.43 | webPragmatist | not sure if its an etch issue... I cant even use AuthDigestFile, I have to use AuthUserFile |
| 05:05.44 | jester45 | could someone tell me the PKG_CONFIG_PATH for openssl? pkg-config isnt working right for my openssl |
| 05:05.51 | H2S04 | enouf, join and find out! |
| 05:05.59 | enouf | no thanks :-p |
| 05:05.59 | jester45 | please |
| 05:06.28 | H2S04 | enouf, why not!? |
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| 05:06.37 | enouf | i'm lazy? |
| 05:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jester45, how? |
| 05:06.52 | H2S04 | enouf, fix my computer. |
| 05:06.52 | enouf | i'm already in too many channels? |
| 05:07.01 | enouf | ok - done |
| 05:07.09 | H2S04 | enouf, it's not fixed. |
| 05:07.38 | jester45 | CutMeOwnThroat, pkg-config is asking for openssl's config path but i searched but nothing shows up |
| 05:07.41 | enouf | waves his magic wand in H2S04 's general direction |
| 05:07.48 | streuner_ | curtmack: did you look for backports yet? |
| 05:08.09 | curtmack | !backports |
| 05:08.09 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 05:08.11 | H2S04 | turns into cabbage |
| 05:08.23 | curtmack | thanks |
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| 05:09.39 | streuner_ | curtmack: i just looked at bpo, no backports for iceweasel... |
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| 05:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jester45, it's not asking me |
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| 05:12.50 | curtmack | streuner_: Iceweasel isn't the problem. I prefer using Firefox |
| 05:13.00 | jester45 | oo |
| 05:13.03 | jester45 | stupid me |
| 05:13.15 | streuner_ | curtmack: why? |
| 05:13.18 | jester45 | needed the -dev package ... im a gentoo user |
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| 05:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite jester45 |
| 05:14.02 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling jester45, and when it's all done, jester45 runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 05:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yay |
| 05:14.10 | Neo_The_User | now for direct rendering in debian. this is is gunna be fun. all i need to do is un-install mesa |
| 05:14.14 | curtmack | 1) Because I'm a loyalist. 2) I just reinstalled Debian, and am restoring backed up files. All of my Firefox settings are lost if I can't actually get Firefox to run :P |
| 05:14.54 | jester45 | doesnt spend 5 days recompiling |
| 05:15.08 | jester45 | and gentoo isnt all about speed |
| 05:15.35 | Neo_The_User | who uses firefox? this weird iceweasel / gran paradiso is way cooler |
| 05:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | curtmack, that's bs - iceweasel == firefox in every regard, but the name |
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| 05:16.19 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 05:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | curtmack, settings are identical - you might just have to deal with a version change |
| 05:16.43 | enouf | oh well - what a mess of a motherboard http://www.cpu3d.com/review/4283-2/gigabyte-ga-ma78gm-s2h-motherboard/features-and-specifications.html |
| 05:16.43 | ameyer | CutMeOwnThroat: and the logo... |
| 05:16.44 | streuner_ | he already told us, his settings are away then.. |
| 05:16.45 | curtmack | also, is there a way to make it so aptitude automatically includes backports? With the instructions on backports.org you have to give a weird switch any time you want to use the backports repository |
| 05:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, actually I like the firefox-logo better |
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| 05:17.15 | ameyer | instead of a fox humping a globe, it's a weasel humping a globe |
| 05:17.16 | enouf | especially even gigabyte's own site has Warnings plastered in red letter ink all over the place |
| 05:17.39 | curtmack | CutMeOwnThroat: Except that they don't load the settings from the same place. |
| 05:17.43 | enouf | AMD better get their shit together |
| 05:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but there's fire on the firefox logo, which is cool (er... well... er...) while the ice is not |
| 05:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I've got to work on that sentence a bit |
| 05:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | curtmack, they don't? |
| 05:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | curtmack, that's strange, because mine did |
| 05:18.16 | curtmack | clearly not, since iceweasel didn't load my firefox settings, at all |
| 05:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and again an ubuntu-user demasked |
| 05:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... speechless |
| 05:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hides |
| 05:19.48 | curtmack | okay, there it goes |
| 05:19.53 | curtmack | worked this time for some reason... huh |
| 05:19.57 | Neo_The_User | grr. debian takes 10 seconds to boot |
| 05:20.11 | enouf | curtmack: -t etch-backports is a weird switch? and i don't think you'd need to use that anyway - if you update your cache, once the repos are added - apt/aptitude should want to install the newest versions (note; i haven't used backports, so not sure about all this) |
| 05:20.50 | curtmack | enouf: "3. All backports are deactivated by default. If you want to install something from backports run: apt-get -t etch-backports install "package"" |
| 05:21.06 | enouf | curtmack: so pin the repo |
| 05:21.16 | curtmack | huh? |
| 05:21.41 | Neo_The_User | what would happen if i turned off all the HDD related stuff in rrconf? |
| 05:21.47 | H2S04 | enouf, quetoo is for a game called Quake2World, a multiplayer game based on the Q2 engine code. :P |
| 05:21.50 | curtmack | never mind, there are instructions... *facepalm* |
| 05:21.55 | enouf | curtmack: i'll let someone who's more familiar answer - there might be a better way - but /msg dpkg pinning is what i mean |
| 05:22.24 | enouf | H2S04: nice, let me know when it's ready for prime-time :-P |
| 05:22.54 | enouf | Neo_The_User: some stuff is needed |
| 05:23.05 | Neo_The_User | like atd? checkroot? cron? cups? |
| 05:23.26 | Neo_The_User | i don't even know what half this stuff even means |
| 05:23.28 | enouf | leave all but cups if you don't have a need for cups |
| 05:23.42 | Neo_The_User | whats cups? |
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| 05:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, printer |
| 05:23.58 | jester45 | common unix printing system |
| 05:24.01 | enouf | Neo_The_User: each pkg comes with /usr/share/doc/* info - and many also with man pagesd |
| 05:24.03 | enouf | !cups |
| 05:24.04 | dpkg | [cups] a printing system available at http://www.cups.org or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 05:24.11 | Neo_The_User | thanks dpkg! |
| 05:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, also, you could have tried /msg dpkg cups |
| 05:24.21 | Neo_The_User | and enouf |
| 05:24.26 | jester45 | lets you share a printer with mac/linux/unix/windows or just print locally |
| 05:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 05:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit late |
| 05:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 05:24.30 | enouf | !tell Neo_The_User -about grounding |
| 05:24.33 | enouf | !tell Neo_The_User -about reference |
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| 05:24.42 | enouf | !tell Neo_The_User -about msgthebot |
| 05:24.43 | acid1 | could someone help me. what should i do, im trying to install ati drivers .. so when i run ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh --buildpkg lenny. I get this failure: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.5 needed by debian/fglrx-amdcccle/usr/bin/amdcccle (its RPATH is '').. i only have /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6? do i need to get 5? |
| 05:24.47 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Does Debian also have a package with non-free modules for kernel like Ubuntu's restricted-modules? I mean, is there any chance Debian will get the propetary Broadcom drivers? |
| 05:24.49 | enouf | ok, i;m done ;-) |
| 05:24.49 | Neo_The_User | dpkg types faster. holy smokes! |
| 05:24.49 | dpkg | Neo_The_User: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:24.52 | enouf | welcome |
| 05:24.53 | Neo_The_User | *fast |
| 05:25.06 | enouf | Neo_The_User: dpkg is also the name of this channel's bot |
| 05:25.19 | Neo_The_User | ohh |
| 05:25.33 | jester45 | lol |
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| 05:25.40 | jester45 | why did you have to tell him |
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| 05:26.30 | acid1 | could someone help me. what should i do, im trying to install ati drivers .. so when i run ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh --buildpkg lenny. I get this failure: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.5 needed by debian/fglrx-amdcccle/usr/bin/amdcccle (its RPATH is '').. i only have /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6? do i need to get 5? |
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| 05:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !repeat |
| 05:26.48 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | acid1, apt-get build-dep <yourpackage> |
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| 05:27.42 | brainsoft | 07:27 <brainsoft> is your source public? |
| 05:27.42 | brainsoft | 07:27 <dpkg> I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:27.49 | enouf | acid1: what's ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 say? |
| 05:28.04 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-05-27 14:56 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.7 |
| 05:28.12 | acid1 | No such file or directory |
| 05:28.14 | brainsoft | could I obtain this learning/teaching bot source? |
| 05:28.25 | acid1 | so maby just reinstall libstdc? |
| 05:28.33 | enouf | acid1: how about ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 ? |
| 05:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | brainsoft, yes |
| 05:28.35 | antileet | Hi, I'm facing this really obscure problem with debian unstable (with all upgrades.) My machine went off after a powercut and now the sound isn't working. Funnny thing is that sound works if I use it as root, or launch an application with sudo. Can anyone suggest a workaround? |
| 05:28.38 | brainsoft | CutMeOwnThroat: how |
| 05:28.46 | acid1 | nope |
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| 05:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | brainsoft, I'll say when I remember what type of bot it is :) |
| 05:28.50 | enouf | acid1: ouch |
| 05:29.01 | brainsoft | heh |
| 05:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | blootbot! |
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| 05:29.17 | enouf | not anymore :-P |
| 05:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not? |
| 05:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blootbot |
| 05:29.34 | enouf | dpkg: what are you? |
| 05:29.34 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 05:29.34 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 05:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn you, dpkg |
| 05:29.43 | enouf | wow .. |
| 05:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | when did you switch clothes? |
| 05:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, how are you? |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: just great |
| 05:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 05:30.08 | teratoma | is this #perl |
| 05:30.29 | teratoma | you can /msg the bot your love too |
| 05:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it is a blootbot which is renamed back to be an infobot |
| 05:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can many things |
| 05:31.39 | acid1 | so i should get it |
| 05:31.39 | acid1 | ii need to get libstdc++5 |
| 05:31.39 | acid1 | ? |
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| 05:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | acid1, did you say you follow this howto: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 05:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | if yes... I can't help but wonder why |
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| 05:35.25 | jaggz1 | anyone else experiencing iceweasel adding double extensions when saving? (.zip.zip) |
| 05:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:35.41 | ganes | how to get the output from grub.. |
| 05:35.54 | spradnyesh | i was wondering what happened when i didn't get any updates from this channel for last 20 mins; found i got disconnected ;) |
| 05:36.02 | enouf | jayaraj: that sounds like your DE or file browser going bonkers |
| 05:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, wrong guy |
| 05:36.54 | enouf | spradnyesh: i didn't ignore, but i didn't offer much - only found some specs of your mainboard on the web + warnings on gigabyte's home site |
| 05:36.58 | enouf | whoops |
| 05:37.21 | enouf | jaggz1: you, not jayaraj |
| 05:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you're fast :) |
| 05:38.29 | brainsoft | karma of dkpg |
| 05:38.45 | brainsoft | dpkg: karma of dkpg |
| 05:38.45 | dpkg | of dkpg has neutral karma |
| 05:40.48 | jayaraj | enouf... hmm.. ok! |
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| 05:43.52 | enouf | jayaraj: though, for ex; if when you go to d/l a zip file, and you see *.zip, or similar, in the File of Types box in the dialog when you are asked where to save it to - don't append .zip in the name |
| 05:44.02 | enouf | where the Filename box is |
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| 05:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf? |
| 05:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong guy |
| 05:45.24 | enouf | please don't ask me to explain window .. oh crap O_o |
| 05:45.33 | enouf | jayaraj: sorry! again! |
| 05:45.43 | jayaraj | enouf, ok ok! |
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| 05:45.50 | enouf | dammit you jaggz1 |
| 05:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jayaraj, you're learning a lot about firefox file-extension handling today,m though |
| 05:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jayaraj, there'll be a test for you tomorrow |
| 05:46.23 | enouf | !quiz |
| 05:46.23 | dpkg | well, quiz is at http://www.linuxcertification.org/quizzes/Level1Quiz/. Some may say it is a stupid quiz |
| 05:46.33 | enouf | heh |
| 05:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 05:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | just looked at that URL |
| 05:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I must say: WOW |
| 05:47.41 | jayaraj | enouf, CutMeOwnThroat: shall i quit for a while????? are you bots? :P |
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| 05:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jayaraj, I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 05:48.32 | H2S04 | jayaraj, we are all bots despite what anyone says. |
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| 05:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jayaraj, nah, I'll go to bed now and enouf can keep explaining you all kinds of stuff |
| 05:49.31 | H2S04 | jayaraj, enouf is the bottiest of us all. |
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| 05:50.05 | jayaraj | wonders if there is any human here like me... hmm! |
| 05:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true, abrotman is much bottier |
| 05:50.20 | jayaraj | :) |
| 05:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw- if anyone is interested in the answer to the question I asked an hour ago and that nobody bothered to answer... |
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| 05:50.47 | H2S04 | CutMeOwnThroat, the answer is no. |
| 05:50.52 | Guerin | the test for whether someone is insterested is whether someone answers |
| 05:50.58 | Guerin | H2S04: correct |
| 05:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess lxrandr is able to switch between external monitor and internel one on a laptop |
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| 05:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, no, that's only the test of their ignorance |
| 05:52.12 | H2S04 | CutMeOwnThroat, that's not very good logic you're using. |
| 05:52.22 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: fail |
| 05:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, exactly |
| 05:52.35 | H2S04 | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe the fact that you need to ask the questions shows your ignorance on the subject. :P |
| 05:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously so |
| 05:53.26 | H2S04 | !gentoosmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:53.26 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling CutMeOwnThroat, and when it's all done, CutMeOwnThroat runs 1% slower than previously |
| 05:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but my ability to answer it now shows that I was able to shed it |
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| 05:53.50 | H2S04 | CutMeOwnThroat, why would you put it in a shed. |
| 05:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | yawns |
| 05:54.56 | nxmehta | i have a hdd with a single ntfs partition that i want to change to ext3 (don't care about data loss)- to convert to the drive do i just need to run mkfs.ext3? |
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| 05:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:55.20 | dudeman | it should be 1% faster |
| 05:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't care about the data |
| 05:55.30 | Guerin | dudeman: only if CMOT does it |
| 05:55.34 | dudeman | heh |
| 05:55.37 | dudeman | Guerin, hi bro |
| 05:55.46 | H2S04 | dudeman, no it doesn't |
| 05:55.48 | nxmehta | thanks |
| 05:55.54 | dudeman | H2S04, ? |
| 05:56.00 | dudeman | mehta sahib |
| 05:56.02 | dudeman | kya haal hai? |
| 05:56.05 | H2S04 | dudeman, No it shouldn't* |
| 05:56.07 | Guerin | dudeman: yerp. |
| 05:56.14 | dudeman | nxmehta, namaste |
| 05:56.43 | dudeman | Guerin, I just finished this little app |
| 05:56.49 | dudeman | http://dudeman.gotdns.org/maps2.php |
| 05:56.51 | Guerin | dudeman: I made beer, and am drinking it. |
| 05:56.54 | dudeman | awesome! |
| 05:56.56 | Guerin | beer > app |
| 05:57.04 | dudeman | quite right |
| 05:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:57.19 | dudeman | I applied for a php/ui developer position in manhattan |
| 05:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, wait some hours if you go blind, before you make that statement |
| 05:57.26 | dudeman | I was interviewed by like 4 developers |
| 05:57.29 | H2S04 | Guerin, what kind of beer did you make? |
| 05:57.29 | dudeman | 2 business analysts |
| 05:57.34 | dudeman | and 2 CTO's |
| 05:57.38 | H2S04 | Guerin, I have a batch of mead I started yesterday. :) |
| 05:57.51 | dudeman | after the rigourous interview they gave me a small assessment of coding to see if i can code |
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| 05:58.13 | H2S04 | I need to go buy another carboy because it will tie up my primary for about 2 months and a secondary for about a year ! :X |
| 05:58.22 | Guerin | H2S04: it's a roughly hoegaarden-style spiced beer, though not a wheat beer |
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| 05:58.26 | dudeman | wanted me to make an app that takes user input in any address/city/country/county/ name format and generate a geocode, and then go to some freaking earthquake service JSON feed and parse it |
| 05:58.33 | dudeman | and plot those earthquakes on a map |
| 05:58.37 | H2S04 | Guerin, I don't like wheat beer that much. |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin | H2S04: generic low-hop lager with ginger and lemonade |
| 05:58.38 | dudeman | fucking piece of bullcrapola |
| 05:58.48 | dudeman | I was like c'mon at least give me a challenging app to make |
| 05:58.49 | dudeman | :/ |
| 05:58.51 | Guerin | H2S04: neither, but my wife does. Irony: She's pregnant and can't drink it. |
| 05:59.06 | dudeman | Guerin, awesome |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | H2S04: by `lemonade' I mean hard lemonade, brewed. |
| 05:59.10 | dudeman | you gonna be a dad |
| 05:59.11 | BruteFrce | would something like this work, sleep 30 && xterm & |
| 05:59.12 | dudeman | heh |
| 05:59.15 | BruteFrce | startx |
| 05:59.19 | dudeman | thats awesome dude |
| 05:59.21 | nxmehta | dudeman: sat sri akaal, me tik hu (that's about all i know) |
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| 05:59.23 | dudeman | I'm really happy for you |
| 05:59.24 | H2S04 | Guerin, I'd make more super hopppy IPA's since no place has a decent IPA anymore with hop prices being so hihg. |
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| 05:59.36 | nxmehta | dudeman: (limited in punjabi and hindi over here) |
| 05:59.38 | dudeman | nxmehta, ahh, you are punjabi/sikh? |
| 05:59.46 | nxmehta | punjabi |
| 05:59.51 | dudeman | only sikh people say satsriakaal |
| 05:59.53 | H2S04 | Guerin, I've been into scotch lately, so I haven't been buying or drinking much beer. |
| 05:59.53 | dudeman | I thought so |
| 05:59.54 | dudeman | cool |
| 05:59.57 | dudeman | I am also punjabi |
| 06:00.00 | dudeman | nxmehta, #debian-chat |
| 06:00.02 | dudeman | i fyou don't mind |
| 06:00.03 | Guerin | H2S04: yeh. I'm a neophyte, and have yet to get to anything really technical. Though lemonade is fast becoming my specialty since I have access to many lemons. |
| 06:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, why don't you try it? |
| 06:00.37 | BruteFrce | i did, but its not a normal env |
| 06:00.41 | BruteFrce | it didnt work |
| 06:00.47 | [RUsh] | how can I install python2.5 as default python in etch? |
| 06:00.54 | Guerin | H2S04: mm, whisky. I drink it with certain of my friends. |
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| 06:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, supply full paths - I normally just used ';' instead of &&, but yes, it should work |
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| 06:01.20 | BruteFrce | but i need a way to do that, start xterm when x starts up, no editing xinitrc |
| 06:01.26 | H2S04 | Guerin, eh, I drink it with hardly any of my friends and I'm not willing to break out the good stuff for most people. :P |
| 06:01.29 | Guerin | dudeman: it's cool, but it doesn't inlcude earthwuakes in my area code. |
| 06:01.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:01.41 | dudeman | Guerin, where at? |
| 06:01.44 | H2S04 | Guerin, I give most people glenlivet. I put it in a decanter so it looks like it is fancy. |
| 06:01.59 | dudeman | Guerin, it should |
| 06:02.01 | Guerin | H2S04: I feel that. Though I have a deal with a good mate that any time either of us go through duty free, we have to buy a good bottle for the other one. |
| 06:02.02 | BruteFrce | cutmeownthroat what exact command would you reccomend? |
| 06:02.06 | dudeman | I tested this app out very much |
| 06:02.08 | dudeman | it all works |
| 06:02.12 | H2S04 | _most_ people can't tell it isn't even though it's the cheap stuff. |
| 06:02.13 | dudeman | I love ajax |
| 06:02.22 | dudeman | damog's gf also does ajax coding |
| 06:02.24 | dudeman | you know dagmo? |
| 06:02.31 | dudeman | the mexican DD |
| 06:02.36 | H2S04 | Guerin, I'm not sharing my 30 yr Laphroaig with many people Guerin :P |
| 06:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, what does not work? |
| 06:02.39 | dudeman | man hopefully one day |
| 06:02.44 | Guerin | dudeman: well, last week or two a whole lot of quakes in my old home town, and they ain't showing. |
| 06:02.45 | dudeman | I will get a debian business card |
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| 06:02.55 | dudeman | hopefuly one day |
| 06:03.00 | dudeman | represent my country as a DD |
| 06:03.01 | dudeman | !!! |
| 06:03.02 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | H2S04: oo, 30y. Badass. Nah we're not up to that level. |
| 06:03.06 | dudeman | Pakistna! |
| 06:03.12 | Guerin | dudeman: yeah, I know damog. |
| 06:03.21 | Guerin | dudeman: is that near Pakistan? |
| 06:03.21 | BruteFrce | cutmeownthroat the commandi asked about when i first came in, xter, never starts |
| 06:03.24 | dudeman | what? |
| 06:03.28 | dudeman | what is |
| 06:03.31 | dudeman | no I'm from pakistan |
| 06:03.33 | Guerin | Pakistna |
| 06:03.36 | dudeman | and when I become a DD |
| 06:03.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if #debian-offtopic still exists |
| 06:03.45 | dudeman | mydebian card will say my name and little flag of pakistna |
| 06:03.46 | dudeman | :) |
| 06:03.46 | Guerin | ... you'll have to buy a new bra |
| 06:03.53 | dudeman | oh shaddup |
| 06:03.59 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, no one cares right now |
| 06:04.04 | BruteFrce | so && is the same as ; ?? |
| 06:04.08 | dudeman | BruteFrce, yes |
| 06:04.18 | dudeman | in functionality sure |
| 06:04.29 | beardy | No. |
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| 06:04.40 | dudeman | beardy, explain |
| 06:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, not exactly - if your sleep 30 would fail, the xterm wouldn't be executed |
| 06:04.45 | BruteFrce | can you guys stick to topic possibly i am having trouble leeping up to many lines |
| 06:04.52 | dudeman | BruteFrce, sorry |
| 06:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, but as sleep normally doesn't fail, it's in effect the same |
| 06:05.02 | dudeman | beardy, I thought it has the same func. |
| 06:05.03 | dudeman | ? |
| 06:05.03 | BruteFrce | keeping |
| 06:05.23 | BruteFrce | cutmeownthroat huh? |
| 06:05.25 | H2S04 | Guerin, They are heaven-sent. |
| 06:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, it's not *exactly* the same, but in your case I don't see that it would make any difference |
| 06:05.56 | H2S04 | Guerin, most whisky under 22 yrs tastes cheap to me now. :P |
| 06:06.01 | dudeman | Guerin, http://www.geonames.org/export/JSON-webservices.html#earthquakesJSON |
| 06:06.03 | Guerin | H2S04: bah. |
| 06:06.12 | dudeman | Guerin, it takes 4 parameters, a bounding box basically |
| 06:06.25 | BruteFrce | well cutmeownthroat why do you think it didnt work? |
| 06:06.35 | dudeman | Guerin, give it north/south/east/west lat/lng coordinates and it will give you a JSON feed of earthquakes in your area |
| 06:06.46 | dudeman | Guerin, im just parsing this, so whatever this returns is what you see plotted on my app |
| 06:06.50 | beardy | dudeman: man bash, && means that the right command only executes if, and only if, the command on the left side exits with an exit status of zero. ; just means that the right command is run after the left, whatever the left does, fails or succeeds. |
| 06:06.59 | BruteFrce | its hard to test ause i have no vterms and once i get in x i have no control |
| 06:07.07 | dudeman | beardy, ahhh |
| 06:07.10 | H2S04 | Guerin, I do like the Balevnie 12 yr doublewood though. |
| 06:07.13 | Guerin | dudeman: but then I enter a city name - it finds it, but tells me nothing |
| 06:07.14 | dudeman | beardy, thanks |
| 06:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, what exactly are you doing... |
| 06:07.18 | H2S04 | Guerin, but I can also get it for 30 $ a bottle :) |
| 06:07.26 | dudeman | h |
| 06:07.28 | Guerin | H2S04: Talisker is the all-time win for me. |
| 06:07.34 | dudeman | Guerin, could you come to #debian-caht |
| 06:07.37 | dudeman | Guerin, could you come to #debian-chat |
| 06:07.38 | dudeman | pleae |
| 06:07.41 | Guerin | H2S04: 10 is fine. THe other stuff is harder to get. |
| 06:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, yes, but the left command was "sleep 30" |
| 06:08.00 | H2S04 | Guerin, eh not if you have a good liquor / wine shop. |
| 06:08.10 | dudeman | ohly googley moogly |
| 06:08.21 | H2S04 | Guerin, every age has a different flavor profile. |
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| 06:08.32 | H2S04 | Guerin, they all have their merits, but I prefer the older stuff. |
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| 06:08.38 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Then there's no point in using &&, I only said that it is not equal to ;. |
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| 06:09.06 | Guerin | H2S04: yeah, they're all quite different. Do you find in the middle they (island esp.) go into a bit of a hole? |
| 06:09.11 | woden1 | How do I install the nvidia driver on Lenny? Thanks. |
| 06:09.25 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: If something would happen to sleep, it might get killed and handle it properly, exiting unsuccessfully, and then it doesn't do.. or does, depending on what was really intended.. what one would want. |
| 06:09.30 | BruteFrce | cutmeownthroat okay here goes, i have been working on a kernel for my phone, so far it works i even have x, its all running on a ramdisk so no changes will take affect. so my delima is i have no way to navigate in x since the kernel i am using is for touch screen so i need a xterm |
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| 06:10.08 | beardy | s/killed/terminated |
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| 06:10.56 | BruteFrce | but i need the xterm to be working once i start x since i have no control |
| 06:11.17 | beardy | !xinitrc |
| 06:11.17 | dpkg | xinitrc is, like, just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 06:11.24 | beardy | !xsession |
| 06:11.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 06:11.31 | beardy | What's wrong with that? |
| 06:11.39 | BruteFrce | i already explained why i cant use xinitrc |
| 06:11.53 | BruteFrce | im on a ramdisk |
| 06:12.06 | beardy | So? |
| 06:12.11 | H2S04 | Depends on the distillery and the work of the master blender Guerin :P |
| 06:12.14 | BruteFrce | im not editing a file with nano on my phone everytime |
| 06:12.27 | beardy | No, you do it once. |
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| 06:12.41 | BruteFrce | no it wont save |
| 06:12.44 | H2S04 | Guerin, some of the 22 yr's have less character than 10 or 12's |
| 06:12.48 | beardy | It will. |
| 06:12.52 | BruteFrce | i will have to do it everytime |
| 06:13.00 | Guerin | H2S04: that was my finding. |
| 06:13.04 | beardy | Of course you put it in the image you read into ram. |
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| 06:13.26 | BruteFrce | no it wont omg im using a userspace image anything i want to change i have to rebuild it jesus |
| 06:13.43 | beardy | Why would you want to not to what you now want to do? |
| 06:13.48 | BruteFrce | is it hard to understand? |
| 06:13.52 | beardy | Apparently. |
| 06:14.03 | BruteFrce | then dont try |
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| 06:14.11 | beardy | Bye then. |
| 06:14.15 | H2S04 | Guerin, you can taste a bit of a difference from bottle to bottle and year to year. It's not like all the scotch is from one big single vat. |
| 06:14.33 | BruteFrce | i already said i need a way to do this without rebuilding my userspace |
| 06:14.54 | woden1 | How do I install the nvidia driver on Lenny? Thanks. |
| 06:15.28 | adb | !tel woden1 about nvidia |
| 06:15.32 | BruteFrce | so does anyone know a command or series of that will start xterm after i startx? |
| 06:16.07 | Guerin | H2S04: yeahyeah, I used to work as a taster. |
| 06:16.10 | dudeman | BruteFrce, you can put xterm in your startup file if you have |
| 06:16.15 | dudeman | BruteFrce, like .xinitrc |
| 06:16.24 | BruteFrce | omg |
| 06:16.26 | dudeman | ? |
| 06:16.38 | dudeman | yes |
| 06:16.42 | dudeman | what can i do for you my child? |
| 06:16.43 | woden1 | adb: I looked carefully at those instructions and they say "Testing users: Maintainance of this document was halted over a year ago. Filipus Klutiero plans to update before lenny's release." |
| 06:16.46 | BruteFrce | read the scrollback please |
| 06:17.00 | dudeman | its alright |
| 06:17.03 | dudeman | im tired anyway |
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| 06:17.22 | dudeman | been up for hours coding this app, I had never messed with it before took me hours to read google maps api and other api etc. etc. |
| 06:17.25 | dudeman | im beat |
| 06:17.25 | BruteFrce | i cant edit the god damn xinitrc how difficult is that to understand? |
| 06:17.39 | dudeman | BruteFrce, ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 06:17.48 | dudeman | BruteFrce, ls -l ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:18.10 | BruteFrce | no im on a ramdisk, imagine a live disk, do you understand howthat works? |
| 06:18.15 | H2S04 | Guerin, a taster for what? :P |
| 06:18.18 | dudeman | BruteFrce, no |
| 06:18.21 | dudeman | I have no idea |
| 06:18.24 | BruteFrce | i would have to rebuild the userspace |
| 06:18.26 | dudeman | I don't even know wtf a computer is |
| 06:18.29 | dudeman | good day. |
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| 06:18.58 | BruteFrce | wb cutmeownthroat |
| 06:19.11 | BruteFrce | i feel like doing what your nick says |
| 06:20.06 | Guerin | H2S04: taster/buyer for a retail and import merchant. Mostly wine, some beer and whisky/brandy/grappa/etc. |
| 06:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, I just tried "DISPLAY=:1; sleep 10 && xterm & startx -- :1" - and it crashed my machine |
| 06:20.28 | BruteFrce | lol awesome |
| 06:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'm not going to try again |
| 06:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can |
| 06:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 06:20.57 | BruteFrce | no i need to know ot will work before i do anything |
| 06:21.00 | cvn | hello. whenever i tried to [tab] an incomplete filename, it gives this: -bash: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory |
| 06:21.00 | cvn | -bash: /dev/fd/60: No such file or directory |
| 06:21.06 | cvn | wha should i do? |
| 06:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should work fine... supply full path for all programs if in doubt, else it's ok |
| 06:21.24 | BruteFrce | i have to reset then clear my memory than load a bootloader than i get to boot... its alota work |
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| 06:22.01 | deface | i cant install build-essential |
| 06:22.10 | deface | keep barfing about libc6-dev |
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| 06:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | cvn, well, IS there /dev/fd? |
| 06:22.33 | H2S04 | Guerin, Neat :) |
| 06:22.34 | enouf | beardy: irony is; one whos is willing to completely type out the full CutMeOwnThroat nickname, yet not want to do so once in an image :-) |
| 06:22.42 | BruteFrce | and why did it crash your machine? |
| 06:22.46 | H2S04 | Guerin, sounds like a great job :) |
| 06:23.04 | Guerin | H2S04: everything about it was wonderful, except the pay. |
| 06:23.14 | BruteFrce | i dont have the means to changethe image you fucking git |
| 06:23.18 | cvn | no such file or dir, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:23.27 | BruteFrce | or i already would have |
| 06:23.46 | BruteFrce | im om a phone... |
| 06:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, dunno... only happens when I start multiple X servers... |
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| 06:24.14 | BruteFrce | why would you need to start another xserver? |
| 06:24.14 | deface | whats the gcc/make/automake/libtool package .. for compiling |
| 06:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | BruteFrce, was testing if your line works *shrug* |
| 06:24.58 | BruteFrce | oh |
| 06:25.12 | BruteFrce | well it didnt when i tried it |
| 06:25.34 | H2S04 | Guerin, you buy into the |
| 06:25.37 | BruteFrce | so i need something better before i go through all the work to get back into the system |
| 06:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cvn, looks to me as if that directory should be created when X starts |
| 06:25.40 | beardy | BruteFrce: That will not help. |
| 06:25.43 | H2S04 | terroir idea? |
| 06:25.53 | cvn | there is no X in the first place. |
| 06:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cvn, well, let me see what happens when another user logs in to the console |
| 06:26.20 | enouf | hahaha |
| 06:26.38 | BruteFrce | well im sick of people and there smart ass remarks,when they dont even understand what i going on |
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| 06:26.42 | dudeman | enouf, ! |
| 06:26.51 | woden1 | adb: I looked carefully at those instructions and they say "Testing users: Maintainance of this document was halted over a year ago. Filipus Klutiero plans to update before lenny's release." |
| 06:27.02 | deface | anyone know ? .. meta package for gcc + build tools ? |
| 06:27.11 | Guerin | H2S04: yes and no. I don't believe Cote Rotie, etc. are all that they are because of the dirt alone - but there's a combination of factors in play there. I beleiev the fetishisation of terroir is a bit of superstition and a bit of science. |
| 06:27.18 | cvn | hmm CutMeOwnThroat, there's no problem with the tabbing on root. but just on my other user account |
| 06:27.54 | beardy | BruteFrce: So you think calling people fucking gits makes them want to? |
| 06:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | cvn, what is "TERM" set to? |
| 06:28.21 | funyun | does anyone know if it's possible to have rtorrent opened twice? for instance. i want rtorrent to run a machine a and monitor it on machine b while it's running on machine a. |
| 06:29.09 | mhymn | deface: 'gcc' and 'build-essential' ? |
| 06:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, don't you think the experiment would tell you more reliably than anyone else? |
| 06:29.12 | Guerin | funyun: it is. You should tell it to use different sets of ports |
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| 06:29.22 | BruteFrce | beardy he wasnt helping just making smart ass remarks, i mean if i could just easily change the userspace why wouldnt i? |
| 06:29.25 | Guerin | oh, hm |
| 06:29.39 | Guerin | probably no need for that, then |
| 06:29.49 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: the experiment tells me i can't do it |
| 06:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, well, that answers it :) |
| 06:30.03 | funyun | Guerin: how do i do that? |
| 06:30.17 | deface | mhymn: so i thought .. but its giving dependency errors on libc6-dev |
| 06:30.21 | JyZyXEL | funyun rtorrent has their own channel btw |
| 06:30.24 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: but Guerin tells me it can |
| 06:30.33 | H2S04 | funyun, that's what screen is for |
| 06:30.34 | Guerin | funyun: -h |
| 06:30.40 | funyun | JyZyXEL: thier own dead channel |
| 06:30.55 | H2S04 | funyun, as well as the various webui's people have put together for rtorrent. |
| 06:30.57 | beardy | BruteFrce: That is why we asked why you didn't. Noone but you can know if you can or not. |
| 06:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, the earth is flat :-P |
| 06:31.00 | woden1 | How do I install the nvidia driver on Lenny? Thanks. |
| 06:31.06 | Guerin | i don't use rtorrent to monitor anything |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | but I have used it to do 100GB/day, so I can certify its awesomeness |
| 06:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | woden1, "/msg dpkg nvidia" he'll tell you :) |
| 06:31.46 | woden1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I looked carefully at those instructions and they say "Testing users: Maintainance of this document was halted over a year ago. Filipus Klutiero plans to update before lenny's release." |
| 06:31.46 | BruteFrce | can somone kill x and try sleep 30 ; xterm & startx |
| 06:31.46 | BruteFrce | please |
| 06:31.50 | JyZyXEL | rtorrent infact is awesome |
| 06:31.55 | H2S04 | funyun, use screen, you're really going about doing that in a silly way. |
| 06:31.56 | deface | build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:31.59 | deadcat | what does sata disk in /dev like? ie: hda sda |
| 06:32.00 | BruteFrce | beardy i already told him i didnt have the means to change it |
| 06:32.02 | H2S04 | funyun, you don't need to run it twice to monitor it. |
| 06:32.08 | mhymn | deface: so install it, what's the matter? |
| 06:32.13 | H2S04 | funyun, or go download some webui to monitor it. |
| 06:32.33 | beardy | BruteFrce: 'startx && sleep 30s && xterm -display :0' doesn't work, for example? |
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| 06:32.39 | funyun | H2S04: i've literally been trying to get wTorrent and other WebUI's to work for about 10 hours total. i figured this way was less silly.. |
| 06:32.41 | deface | mhymn: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7) but 2.7-14 is to be installed |
| 06:32.50 | deface | package conflicts |
| 06:32.50 | Guerin | !wayttd funyun |
| 06:32.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, funyun? |
| 06:32.53 | deface | quite lame |
| 06:32.54 | H2S04 | funyun, two instance is silly. |
| 06:33.00 | H2S04 | funyun, you should use screen |
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| 06:33.07 | H2S04 | funyun, ssh in to the machine and screen -r |
| 06:33.13 | BruteFrce | beardy 30s would break sleep |
| 06:33.27 | H2S04 | and if you enable multi-user screen sessions you can leave it on the monitor of the other computer. |
| 06:33.28 | beardy | BruteFrce: ? |
| 06:33.35 | funyun | H2S04: There is no screen to be resumed. |
| 06:33.41 | BruteFrce | it wont take 30s |
| 06:33.45 | BruteFrce | just 30 |
| 06:33.45 | JyZyXEL | multi user screen is fun with lots of players |
| 06:33.50 | Guerin | funyun: start rtorrent in screen |
| 06:33.51 | BruteFrce | try it lol |
| 06:33.59 | Guerin | <3 screen long time |
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| 06:34.19 | H2S04 | funyun, you have to start it in screen |
| 06:34.28 | H2S04 | so screen |
| 06:34.30 | H2S04 | then enter |
| 06:34.38 | H2S04 | then rtorrent to start rtorrent |
| 06:34.47 | beardy | BruteFrce: What did you say about smart ass? Of course it works. |
| 06:34.47 | JyZyXEL | why not screen rtorrent |
| 06:34.58 | beardy | BruteFrce: What version of Debian is running on that device? |
| 06:34.58 | H2S04 | JyZyXEL, that'll work too ;) |
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| 06:35.10 | H2S04 | JyZyXEL, as long as it's not already running. |
| 06:35.18 | BruteFrce | not on my machine it says 30s is not a number, thats funy |
| 06:35.25 | JyZyXEL | screen -S rTorrent rtorrent |
| 06:35.28 | funyun | H2S04: what does this do? |
| 06:35.28 | H2S04 | or just using something like rtorstat if all he wants to do is see the status. |
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| 06:35.54 | beardy | BruteFrce: What operating system does your machine run? |
| 06:35.57 | BruteFrce | lol you couldnt get debian to run on something that small it runs gentoo |
| 06:35.59 | H2S04 | funyun it runs rtorrent in the background whether you're logged into the computer or not. |
| 06:36.05 | H2S04 | man screen funyun |
| 06:36.12 | beardy | BruteFrce: Then why the fuck are you asking us? |
| 06:36.18 | H2S04 | anyways you have plenty of solutions. |
| 06:36.25 | Xires | is it possible to include ubuntu & knoppix repositories in debian's sources.list? |
| 06:36.27 | BruteFrce | because i run debian |
| 06:36.31 | beardy | BruteFrce: And on top of that, being impatient? |
| 06:36.41 | BruteFrce | beardy shhh |
| 06:36.44 | beardy | Gentoo is not Debian. |
| 06:36.44 | Xires | s/possible/okay/ |
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| 06:36.56 | beardy | You even got a second chance. |
| 06:36.59 | BruteFrce | you fucking fagot, go suck off your daddy |
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| 06:37.05 | beardy | !ops BruteFrce |
| 06:37.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: BruteFrce |
| 06:37.05 | JyZyXEL | lol wut |
| 06:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | woden1, I'm not using lenny - I don't think so much changed, though - if you look at e.g. "method 1" I don't see why it needed a special "doing-it-for-lenny" document at all |
| 06:37.36 | H2S04 | !ops BruteFrce |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: h2s04 complains about: BruteFrce |
| 06:37.38 | BruteFrce | i should kline you for being so stupid |
| 06:37.46 | JyZyXEL | things are getting heated! |
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| 06:37.56 | JyZyXEL | !customer |
| 06:37.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:38.01 | beardy | Good idea. |
| 06:38.11 | beardy | Dave2: ping |
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| 06:39.05 | dudeman | yo |
| 06:39.08 | Guerin | if you want glorious HUD style, feayn.org/~lewis/screenrc - be warned, I've re-bound c-` (that's the tilde key with no shift) to do all the c-a commands. |
| 06:39.16 | dudeman | wtf |
| 06:39.44 | Guerin | JyZyXEL: good call. |
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| 06:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | good nick, though |
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| 06:42.19 | beardy | Only to people that like multicapitalizedwordnicks. |
| 06:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | woden1, I don't see any problem with these instructions.... try to follow this and come back if/when you run into a problem |
| 06:42.43 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: oo that's a nice choice of c-a key. I use c-w, but that makes me sad when I try to use emacs in screen =P |
| 06:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, no, i meant it described him well :) |
| 06:42.59 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh |
| 06:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, anyways - who are you talking to |
| 06:43.11 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: see, my whole life is emacs in screen, so I had to get rid of all the normal key bindings |
| 06:43.17 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: You. |
| 06:43.22 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: takes a while to retrain your muscle memory though |
| 06:43.22 | Xires | Guerin; http://rafb.net/p/nHVxir96.html |
| 06:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, YeS Me, Mr CamelNick |
| 06:43.51 | Xires | Guerin; does that conflict w/ emacs?? |
| 06:43.59 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Indeed. |
| 06:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:44.20 | bearDy | Crap.. didn't even do it right. |
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| 06:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bearDy, (which of course has to be such to be authentic... space ain't permitted) |
| 06:44.45 | BankHead | hi |
| 06:45.14 | Guerin | Xires: doesn't look so. |
| 06:45.29 | beardy | !greet BankHead |
| 06:45.29 | dpkg | Wassup, BankHead |
| 06:46.05 | funyun | H2S04: i'm a noob so i may be doing this all wrong, but i don't see how this helps? it seems the same as not using screen. here's what i did. "screen -S rTorrent rtorrent" |
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| 06:46.48 | beardy | cutMEOWnthROAt: Ew! |
| 06:46.53 | Xires | Guerin; naturally I'd assume you'd have to rebind ^A, but I was hoping that it wouldn't interfere w/ anyone else working w/ emacs |
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| 06:47.09 | cvn | under which package do i get libtcl.so ? |
| 06:47.19 | Xires | tcl/tk ? |
| 06:47.20 | cutMEOWnthROAt | !search |
| 06:47.20 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 06:47.37 | cutMEOWnthROAt | cvn, use apt-file |
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| 06:48.24 | cutMEOWnthROAt | beardy, see the cat-noise in my nick? |
| 06:48.55 | beardy | cutMEOWnthROAt: Yeah. But haven't heard any ROA.. that I recall. |
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| 06:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, was supposed to be a ROAR, but my nick wasn't chosen carefully enough for it |
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| 06:50.20 | Xires | would it be okay to add knoppix/ubuntu repositories to debian's sources.list or would there likely be massive conflicts? |
| 06:50.32 | Guerin | Xires: No. Yes. |
| 06:50.39 | Xires | Guerin; tyvm |
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| 06:50.48 | Guerin | Xires: YVFW |
| 06:50.53 | deface | http://paste.debian.net/19742/ |
| 06:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xires, on the good side, you'd learn a lot about all the things that can go wrong with package management |
| 06:51.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | as a former manager of mine was fond of saying: "What a great challenge." |
| 06:51.32 | deface | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7) but 2.7-14 is installed... wtf |
| 06:51.57 | Guerin | Xires: ^^ that issue deface has is an example of what you'd be in for. |
| 06:52.12 | Xires | understood |
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| 06:52.47 | deface | Guerin: mind pasting your apt sources ? |
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| 06:53.18 | Guerin | deface: which box? |
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| 06:53.38 | erawfish | deface: mixing testin/sid with stable is a very bad idea. one could call it stupid |
| 06:53.48 | dudeman | yes |
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| 06:53.59 | beardy | Not only could. |
| 06:54.06 | deface | my sources are on the bottom of that paste |
| 06:54.08 | erawfish | !tell deface about backports |
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| 06:54.25 | deface | !tell erawfish about a decent package manager |
| 06:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xires, it's not impossible, though, if you know what you're doing, or so I heared... there was even some crazy howto about how to turn debian into ubuntu by updating from their repositories... |
| 06:54.45 | Sazpaimon | so if i want to set up an LVM server, what filesystem would be the better option? XFS? Reiserfs? ext3? |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | my first ever debian system was knoppebian |
| 06:55.11 | erawfish | deface: we don't care. you have libc6 2.7 -> no more etch |
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| 06:55.14 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: ext3 rules all. |
| 06:55.30 | deface | im not running etch |
| 06:55.34 | deface | sid/lenny |
| 06:55.36 | Sazpaimon | does ext3 grow filesystems without unmounting |
| 06:55.43 | erawfish | deface: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:55.48 | deface | build-essentials doesnt exist on sid ? |
| 06:55.58 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: (if you have redundant power you might want XFS) |
| 06:56.04 | stew | Sazpaimon: yes |
| 06:56.06 | Xires | CutMeOwnThroat; I understand that, and I've maintained my own network-wide repository w/ custom packages & patched packages for a while now..I just didn't know if the package sets used were close enough to integrate smoothly as it was something someone else requested for their server |
| 06:56.08 | erawfish | deface: if you have etch sources but claim to run lenny? lie more convincingly please |
| 06:56.12 | k-os | is pidgin 2.5 in exp sources? |
| 06:56.21 | __coredump__ | deface, its called build-essential |
| 06:56.30 | Xires | it's their server, so not my call..but if it's stupid, I'll be happy to relay that in all it's RTFM-ness |
| 06:56.38 | deface | __coredump__: yeah, same thing |
| 06:56.46 | stew | k-os: http://packages.debian.org/pidgin or /msg judd versions pidgin |
| 06:56.52 | BlackMagik | how do web companies typically setup directory permissions so that when a developer creates a file in the directory there is write permission for the rest of the group. i tried changing the default umask in login.defs but that had no effect. any ideas? |
| 06:56.52 | ypSami | wow |
| 06:56.56 | ypSami | Lenny is awesome. |
| 06:57.03 | deface | erawfish: it seems that debian is way behind in ports .. tried adding the unstable .. but still way behind |
| 06:57.07 | ypSami | Setting up this web server was really easy. |
| 06:57.35 | k-os | stew, do you know when it'll hit lenny? |
| 06:57.39 | stew | BlackMagik: you want 002 for the umask and make the directory chmod g+s |
| 06:57.47 | beardy | BlackMagik: By setting the sticky bit on the directory. |
| 06:57.48 | stew | k-os: never, it will be in squeze |
| 06:57.55 | Xires | BlackMagik; chgrp blah /path/to/dir; chmod -c g+ws,o+t /path/to/dir |
| 06:58.00 | BlackMagik | stew: so the sticky bit always has to be set. that's the only way? |
| 06:58.02 | beardy | BlackMagik: +for the group.. like stew said. |
| 06:58.33 | Xires | sticky bit not always needed, helpful though |
| 06:58.35 | erawfish | BlackMagik: there are others |
| 06:58.36 | deface | erawfish: http://paste.debian.net/19744/ |
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| 06:58.46 | stew | BlackMagik: that's the easiest way to ensure that all new files created inside are owned by the same group |
| 06:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackMagik, I've seen some weird setup, where a cronjob chgroups/chmods everything daily :-/ |
| 06:59.01 | BlackMagik | what's the recommended way? |
| 06:59.18 | erawfish | deface: you have installed sid packages in the past while you run etch/stable. now your debian is broken. congratulations |
| 06:59.19 | BlackMagik | CutMeOwnThroat: that is a weird setup |
| 06:59.26 | BlackMagik | erawfish: like? |
| 06:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackMagik, that's what I said |
| 06:59.51 | erawfish | files owned by the user, httpd running as www-data. php uploads only via cgi |
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| 07:00.20 | clrtxt | just got done doing a full install, but screen goes blank on boot (I assume when X tries to start). Thoughts? |
| 07:00.34 | erawfish | clrtxt: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 07:00.36 | deface | erawfish: system was installed with an 4.0r3 cd |
| 07:00.53 | erawfish | deface: doesn't matter. YOU installed something frm sid and therefore hosedl the system |
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| 07:01.13 | clrtxt | erawfish: no effect, can I change the runlevel so it boots to a text terminal firsT? |
| 07:01.26 | erawfish | clrtxt: boot in single user mode, yes |
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| 07:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackMagik, but kind of effective... |
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| 07:02.18 | erawfish | CutMeOwnThroat: it's crap |
| 07:02.27 | BlackMagik | CutMeOwnThroat: i guess i'll just go with the sticky bit |
| 07:02.40 | clrtxt | erawfish: ok, in single user mode, I forget which config file I should change? |
| 07:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | erawfish, yes :) |
| 07:02.56 | erawfish | clrtxt: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 07:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, unix groups are crap also |
| 07:03.52 | clrtxt | erawfish: dpkg: need an action option |
| 07:04.07 | erawfish | clrtxt: there is a bot in here named dpkg |
| 07:04.11 | clrtxt | ok |
| 07:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | deface, well, it's only libc6-dev you can remove it.... until you have to compile something :) |
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| 07:06.37 | mafiltenborg | msg nickserv group |
| 07:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | deface, I guess as you have started replacing core things of the system with testing, you should upgrade to lenny now... which will be stable "anytime now, no kidding!" |
| 07:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, g'night and todeloo |
| 07:07.58 | beardy | Good night CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll dream of camel-nicks for sure ;) |
| 07:08.38 | BlackMagik | whenever i create a new file in the folders with g+ws,o+t the permissions are 644 :S |
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| 07:10.08 | woden1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Everything seems to have gone fine with the nvidia install, except that I can't see how to add glx since I don't have a Modules section in my xorg.conf. |
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| 07:11.25 | matiu | Is it normal for /var/run/sudo to be owned by www-data:www-data ? |
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| 07:11.55 | deface | CutMeOwnThroat: i was trying to install build-essentials to compile, how do i upgrade it to lenny ? |
| 07:12.02 | matiu | and /var/run/sshd and some others.. |
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| 07:12.06 | stew | deface: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 07:12.27 | beardy | matiu: No. You should.. check if you have been severely cracked by some badly written php or the like.. |
| 07:12.28 | stew | matiu: no, that's not normal |
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| 07:14.32 | matiu | so normally they should be owned by root ? |
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| 07:14.48 | matiu | I've run chrootkit and it didn't complain about anything .. :( |
| 07:15.04 | beardy | matiu: Don't just change them back, there's something seriously wrong on your box. |
| 07:15.39 | stew | matiu: yes, normally they'd be owned by root. is lots of stuff in /var owned by www-data? is it possible that someone mistakenly ran something like "chown -R www:data: /var" ? |
| 07:16.55 | matiu | stew, yeah, sudo sshd screen apache2 courier network |
| 07:17.05 | matiu | and utmp is owned by www-data:utmp |
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| 07:17.17 | matiu | Everything else is owned by root |
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| 07:18.06 | matiu | Just running rkhunter.. |
| 07:18.19 | smhar | greetings |
| 07:19.19 | smhar | I am trying to reconfigure my x.org by issuing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root but nothing seems to change. here is the conf file: http://paste.debian.net/19745/ |
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| 07:19.49 | beardy | matiu: That's good. But, is the machine serving dynamically generated web content? Did you, or someone else with root or sudo access possibly do an incorrect chown? |
| 07:19.58 | smhar | I am using lenny |
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| 07:20.33 | woden1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I installed the nvidia driver but I can't get my xorg.conf to configure correctly. Would you (or anyone else) mind helping a bit? Thanks. |
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| 07:20.45 | ragix | anyone here installed lenny on a sun v100? |
| 07:20.57 | matiu | beardy, I'll have a grep of the .bash_history's |
| 07:21.00 | beardy | matiu: If someone did mess up a chown, there should be more things with the wrong owner. |
| 07:21.11 | beardy | matiu: If you still have all of them, do that. |
| 07:21.15 | smhar | configure only asks about keyboard not the display! |
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| 07:23.00 | smhar | I do not even know what driver is been used for the display right now as the conf desn't show |
| 07:23.11 | beardy | Is there a way to see when ownership was last changed for a file? |
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| 07:23.23 | jaggz1 | anyone else experiencing iceweasel adding double extensions when saving? (.zip.zip) |
| 07:23.32 | woden1 | how do I add glx to my xorg.conf? |
| 07:23.42 | enouf | smhar: xorg in lenny and up is autoconfigured |
| 07:24.04 | acemi | smhar: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:24.08 | enouf | smhar: no more drxx - but you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf yourself manually |
| 07:24.15 | enouf | and it should honor your settings |
| 07:24.21 | beardy | Then matiu could check if they were changed at the same time. (Though doesn't exclude either possibility.. but if they are not changed at the "same" time, a bad chown can be a bit more ruled out). |
| 07:24.21 | woden1 | enouf: So how do I add glx module to my xorg.conf? |
| 07:24.29 | enouf | smhar: man xorg.conf |
| 07:24.44 | enouf | woden1: you too - man xorg.conf |
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| 07:25.22 | enouf | i'm sure google will have tons of examples as well as wikis |
| 07:25.43 | enouf | jaggz1: still? |
| 07:25.55 | woden1 | I'm actually trying to follow these instructions http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries but they are old and assume that you already have a Modules section in your xorg.conf. I'm running Lenny and it auto-configures everything and I don't know how to add that section so I can load the glx module. |
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| 07:27.19 | enouf | wiki.x.org also might help |
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| 07:27.29 | ham5 | aptitude wants to upgrade my firefox but I installed from sorce now, how do I make it forget firefox? |
| 07:27.50 | smhar | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log| grep drv says it is vesa |
| 07:27.51 | enouf | !hold |
| 07:27.51 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 07:28.24 | ham5 | I dont have the firefox package installed |
| 07:28.27 | enouf | smhar: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log ;-) |
| 07:28.29 | ham5 | cant that still be applyed? |
| 07:28.30 | stew | ham5: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 07:28.43 | smhar | enouf: oh... thanks |
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| 07:29.33 | enouf | why would it want to upgrade a pkg that you don;t have? |
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| 07:31.56 | ham5 | synaptic does not apt-get I guess, I donno |
| 07:33.50 | beardy | Use aptitude. |
| 07:35.02 | blast_hardcheese | How does one turn off Tap to Click? |
| 07:35.17 | blast_hardcheese | Synaptic is not detected as the driver for my touchpad, but I can't figure out what is |
| 07:35.29 | blast_hardcheese | It's driving me absolutely insane |
| 07:35.44 | stew | blast_hardcheese: set MaxTapTime to 0 (man synaptics) |
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| 07:36.09 | blast_hardcheese | stew: Yeah, that would probably help if my trackpad driver was synaptics |
| 07:36.17 | blast_hardcheese | but alas |
| 07:36.27 | Agiofws | is anyone good at setting up exim4 to send mail i cant set it to send mail through mutt |
| 07:36.30 | stew | blast_hardcheese: which driver is it? |
| 07:36.46 | blast_hardcheese | stew: "mouse" |
| 07:37.50 | erawfish | ham5: /msg dülg equivs |
| 07:37.52 | beardy | Agiofws: Well.. firstly, it is mutt that sends mail through/using exim4. |
| 07:38.04 | Agiofws | i know |
| 07:38.17 | Agiofws | fetchmail is working |
| 07:38.26 | Agiofws | its exim4 that can't send |
| 07:38.39 | erawfish | Agiofws: check your exim logs |
| 07:38.44 | stew | blast_hardcheese: are you sure you can't use synaptics? |
| 07:38.48 | Agiofws | beardy, this is what i get in logs |
| 07:39.10 | beardy | Agiofws: (careful if it's many lines) |
| 07:39.24 | blast_hardcheese | stew: I'm just using what was configured by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:39.28 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29238 |
| 07:39.35 | Agiofws | beardy, just one |
| 07:39.50 | blast_hardcheese | stew: It's an ADB trackpad, honestly I don't know if it is supported by synaptics. |
| 07:39.50 | Agiofws | /var/spool/exim4/msglog# ? |
| 07:39.54 | erawfish | Agiofws: you need smtp-auth |
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| 07:40.10 | erawfish | blast_hardcheese: your X log tells you what is used |
| 07:40.10 | Agiofws | erawfish, an option ? |
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| 07:40.16 | Agiofws | an application ? |
| 07:40.25 | erawfish | a log |
| 07:40.26 | Agiofws | a config file ? |
| 07:40.31 | Agiofws | oh |
| 07:40.37 | erawfish | oops. smtp-auth is authentication for smtp |
| 07:40.46 | erawfish | a username and password |
| 07:41.00 | beardy | Agiofws: You aren't authenticating properly, that is yes, "logging in". |
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| 07:41.03 | blast_hardcheese | erawfish: Yeah, mouse_drv.so |
| 07:41.14 | beardy | Agiofws: Heh, why a screenshot and not a text in a pastebin? |
| 07:41.26 | blast_hardcheese | stew: so mouse_drv.so |
| 07:41.35 | Agiofws | authentication ... beardy is in /etc/exim4/passwd.client right ? |
| 07:41.35 | beardy | Agiofws: We could have checked that google doc otherwise.. but do that, you. |
| 07:41.56 | clrtxt | during an install the screen just fades to black, does the installer attempt to configure X? |
| 07:42.13 | erawfish | Agiofws: no. you have to fully configure your exim. it's a bit more complicated than that. also, google might need TLS |
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| 07:42.27 | dam85 | hello everybody |
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| 07:42.59 | dam85 | is it possible to read log of a kernel panic ? i'm using debian etch |
| 07:43.08 | enouf | does dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config help? |
| 07:43.22 | erawfish | enouf: it won't. not enough by far |
| 07:43.32 | erawfish | dam85: not really. unless you use a serial console |
| 07:43.42 | Agiofws | erawfish, http://rafb.net/p/NhkPvP96.html |
| 07:43.45 | enouf | dam85: you'd need to setup a serial console/terminal, iinm |
| 07:44.29 | dam85 | have i to install iinm ? |
| 07:44.35 | erawfish | Agiofws: that nice but you need more than a password. if you use pppd you need more than a pap-secrets file too... |
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| 07:44.58 | Agiofws | huh ? |
| 07:45.00 | enouf | dam85: here's a howto http://xand.co.uk/debianSerialConsole.php (thanks xand) |
| 07:45.13 | clrtxt | does the debian installer attempt to configure or test X in any way? |
| 07:45.14 | erawfish | Agiofws: your pasted file alone is worhtless |
| 07:45.18 | enouf | dam85: iinm == if i'm not mistaken |
| 07:45.27 | Agiofws | erawfish, exim4 was working about 1 month ago i don't remember using pppd to login top gmail ... |
| 07:45.38 | Agiofws | ok what else do i have to configure ? |
| 07:45.56 | erawfish | Agiofws: pppd is another program. since you don>'t understan mail at all. go ask google and learn first |
| 07:46.02 | Sazpaimon | is there a guide on installing etch with LVM and software raid1? |
| 07:46.37 | dam85 | i read |
| 07:46.45 | Agiofws | erawfish, i have set up sendmail+mutt+procmail more than once on some clients its just all of the sudden exim4 won't send mail |
| 07:47.02 | Agiofws | what aother files should i check for authentication ? |
| 07:47.09 | erawfish | Agiofws: your writings here show otherwise. now go and read more, you need it |
| 07:47.20 | Agiofws | dunno maybe it could be upgrading my new kernel |
| 07:47.23 | enouf | Sazpaimon: the installation guide should cover some, if not much of it |
| 07:47.35 | enouf | Sazpaimon: poke around wiki.debian.org as well |
| 07:48.12 | ShitalC | when will be debian-5 out?? |
| 07:48.22 | Agiofws | its true its just i cant remember every step of configuring |
| 07:48.27 | erawfish | ShitalC: when it's ready |
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| 07:48.44 | beardy | !lenny pool |
| 07:48.44 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 07:48.55 | enouf | erawfish: ok, gotcha (exim4-config) |
| 07:49.00 | erawfish | Agiofws: you didn't configure or understand. you blindly followed someone elses knowledge. that means you don't know anything, the other person did |
| 07:49.21 | jaggz1 | enouf, yeah, for a couple weeks I've noticed it |
| 07:49.31 | Agiofws | i followed a howto |
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| 07:49.32 | erawfish | Agiofws: and now please stop arguing and read |
| 07:49.39 | enouf | whoa .. blast from the distant past :-p |
| 07:49.44 | erawfish | Agiofws: yes and the howto-writer is the one with a clue |
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| 07:52.23 | Sazpaimon | enouf, a quick look on the wiki gave me one guide on setting up software raid1 on an existing lvm install |
| 07:52.30 | enouf | dam85: note also, tldp.org has some nice docs as well |
| 07:52.36 | Sazpaimon | not exactly what i was looking for |
| 07:52.42 | erawfish | Sazpaimon: the install guide has a section about it |
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| 07:53.57 | dam85 | OK THANKS |
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| 07:55.18 | ShitalC | Deffinately, but around when that will b ready? |
| 07:55.19 | Sazpaimon | erawfish, you sure? I'm poking around the guide and not seeing anything on lvm |
| 07:55.28 | Sazpaimon | at least, not with relation to debootstrap |
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| 08:02.03 | Agiofws | erawfish, dc_smarthost='smtp.gmail.com::587' ? |
| 08:03.10 | Sazpaimon | yeah i just went through most of the guide, didn't see anything on installing over lvm with debootstrap :/ |
| 08:05.14 | Sazpaimon | oh perfect |
| 08:05.17 | Sazpaimon | here's a good guide: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://blog.mellenthin.de/archives/2007/07/11/debian-etch-auf-einem-rootserver-mit-raid-1-und-lvm/&usg=AFQjCNHNs0f1OdMx0n2BFL4OfkMaAjJitw |
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| 08:05.28 | Sazpaimon | lets hope google can translate it |
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| 08:09.19 | smhar | how can I reconfigure X. I tried dpkg-reconfigrue but it doesn't change the xorg.cong file |
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| 08:11.19 | Mordocai | So i downloaded and burnt the first amd64 dvd... and it will boot in qemu, but not in my system. Other discs will boot. Any idea how to fix this? i.e.: Could i configure grub to boot to the dvd? |
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| 08:12.42 | smhar | or better asked, why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ask me about what video driver I want to use like it used to do before? |
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| 08:13.20 | dam85 | ... now i have installed lilo.... is it possible to change it with GRUB ? |
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| 08:14.57 | mhymn | !tell dam85 about lilo->grub |
| 08:15.22 | mhymn | smhar: etch or lenny? |
| 08:15.33 | dam85 | wow |
| 08:15.34 | dam85 | :) |
| 08:15.52 | smhar | mhymn: lenny , I even tried -phigh but it was worse no question were asked at all |
| 08:15.53 | dam85 | grub automatically get all the kernel versions |
| 08:15.54 | dam85 | righe? |
| 08:16.01 | dam85 | right? |
| 08:16.49 | mhymn | dam85: what do you mean by all the kernel versions? |
| 08:17.24 | ShitalC | I have booted debian live CD, and i want to install it, but could not find appropriate program to do same, can any one guide me to install it please?? |
| 08:17.25 | dam85 | i have |
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| 08:17.49 | dam85 | ./boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 08:17.58 | beardy | dam85: By default it handles the current and previous stock (or make-kpkg built) kernel you have installed, yes. |
| 08:18.01 | dam85 | ./boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 08:18.04 | Mordocai | Any idea about my problem that is above? |
| 08:18.08 | beardy | dam85: What is the reason for you running lilo? |
| 08:18.16 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 08:18.21 | beardy | (lilo does that too, but besides the point) |
| 08:18.34 | dam85 | lilo choose the kernel at the reboot |
| 08:18.35 | dam85 | no? |
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| 08:18.55 | erawfish | smhar: cause X.org and the debian X strike team changed it |
| 08:18.57 | beardy | dam85: Grub is the preferred bootloader nowadays. |
| 08:19.07 | mhymn | ShitalC: you can ask #debian-live on oftc |
| 08:19.08 | dam85 | sure |
| 08:19.13 | dam85 | i want to install GRUB |
| 08:19.21 | dam85 | but in this server i have lilo installed |
| 08:19.23 | erawfish | dam85: then do it |
| 08:19.26 | TiMiDo | can someone help me. how come my alsa deamon is starting up at boot. can someone help me i need to do. alsaconf everytime i boot and is getting annoying |
| 08:19.29 | clrtxt | new install of debian, either the computer keeps freezing up on boot, or it freezes up soon after. For example, I booted into single user mode just fine but now the keyboard is non responsive |
| 08:20.09 | beardy | dam85: Just follow what dpkg told you in another window. |
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| 08:20.21 | Mordocai | Why would a disc boot in qemu, but not out of it? The md5sum checks out. It's debian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 08:20.22 | smhar | erawfish: so dpkg-reconfigure can not be used any more for xorg in lenny? then how to configure it? |
| 08:20.37 | dam85 | beardy: i have |
| 08:20.41 | erawfish | smhar: it can be used. it autoconfigures X |
| 08:20.41 | dam85 | E.g.: fdisk /dev/hda (for the first IDE disk) |
| 08:20.42 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.42 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.42 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.55 | erawfish | smhar: dpkg -l nvidia and what nvidia card do you have? |
| 08:20.56 | dam85 | ops sorry |
| 08:21.11 | erawfish | dam85: that is totally irrelevant for installing grub |
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| 08:21.27 | dam85 | irrilevant? |
| 08:21.34 | erawfish | irrelevant, yes |
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| 08:21.38 | smhar | erawfish: an ati radeon |
| 08:21.39 | erawfish | dam85: install grub |
| 08:21.39 | salvin | i've got the cd audio plugin for audacious |
| 08:21.42 | dam85 | dpkg tells |
| 08:21.43 | dam85 | mhymn wants you to know: aptitude install grub; aptitude purge lilo; edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, so both postinst_hook and postrm_hook are equal to /sbin/update-grub - then run update-grub and install-grub /dev/harddiskdevice to be sure. |
| 08:21.48 | erawfish | smhar: which one? |
| 08:21.55 | salvin | but there isn't "play cd" or something |
| 08:21.58 | dam85 | so i have to put the disk in install-grub HERE |
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| 08:22.01 | dam85 | no? |
| 08:22.05 | beardy | dam85: Did you run 'install-grub /dev/harddiskdevice' exactly like that, or what was that paste about? |
| 08:22.09 | erawfish | dam85: I do not see and fdisk in there dam85... |
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| 08:22.20 | erawfish | *any |
| 08:22.20 | clrtxt | anyone have any ideas for troubleshooting I can try? |
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| 08:22.35 | erawfish | clrtxt: kernel parameters, different, newer kernel |
| 08:22.51 | beardy | dam85: "harddiskdevice" you replace with the real device name of your harddisk that you boot from. |
| 08:22.54 | dam85 | beardy: i think i have to put /dev/hda |
| 08:22.56 | dam85 | no? |
| 08:23.14 | beardy | dam85: Most likely yes. |
| 08:23.20 | erawfish | dam85: depends. from what disk did you boot. show us a fdisk -l run as root |
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| 08:23.25 | dam85 | http://rafb.net/p/lazE4n37.html |
| 08:23.27 | beardy | dam85: If that is the drive you boot from. |
| 08:23.27 | erawfish | beardy: most likely not |
| 08:23.48 | erawfish | dam85: it friggign tells you what you did wrong! |
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| 08:23.58 | dam85 | fdisk -l http://rafb.net/p/R2MEN555.html |
| 08:23.59 | beardy | erawfish: Why? |
| 08:24.02 | erawfish | and I just told you exactly what to do |
| 08:24.13 | salvin | is it an audacious bug? |
| 08:24.14 | salvin | (sid) |
| 08:24.23 | erawfish | beardy: cause almost all ide drivers use the scsi subsystem now. and sata is more prevalent too now |
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| 08:24.42 | beardy | erawfish: I thought you would say that, and I could agree, but then again not. |
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| 08:25.05 | beardy | erawfish: My logic would be that all people without a clue has new hardware, so, alright then. |
| 08:25.27 | Mordocai | Sorry to keep asking... but does anyone know what could cause a disc to read when I install OS with qemu, but not even be able to boot when i try to boot from it. Other discs boot fine... |
| 08:25.51 | erawfish | Mordocai: no one can tell unless you give us information about the error. /msg dpkg errors |
| 08:26.17 | Mordocai | erawfish: There are no errors, the BIOS doesn't even try to boot from it. |
| 08:26.33 | erawfish | dam85: so it's sda you install it to |
| 08:26.46 | erawfish | Mordocai: then it's not a debian problem but a BIOS one |
| 08:27.09 | dam85 | erawfish: grub gets all kernel image installed on t he system right? |
| 08:27.11 | erawfish | Mordocai: ask another channel. ##hardwar (btw: there is an error message when BIOS fails... so what you say is wrong) |
| 08:27.15 | Mordocai | erawfish: It IS a debian problem, because other bootable discs burned with the same program and same brand disc works fine. |
| 08:27.19 | dam85 | can i choose wich version to start? |
| 08:27.31 | erawfish | and if there is no error message, it's debian that fails and in that case BIOS does try to boot it. wrong again |
| 08:27.37 | erawfish | dam85: yes |
| 08:27.39 | beardy | dam85: Yes. The short answer, and the one for you is yes. |
| 08:27.51 | clrtxt | erawfish: just wanted to let you know I've gotten the multiple problems with my system fixed and I appreciate the help :-) |
| 08:28.20 | erawfish | Mordocai: then there happens something. what? |
| 08:28.34 | nepse | after i enabled the networkmanager (gnome), my network just falls out suddenly, like it becoms idle... any ideas? debian lenny. |
| 08:28.47 | erawfish | nepse: don't use network manager? |
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| 08:29.12 | boka | hello people! |
| 08:29.12 | nepse | erawfish: is it a bug related to it? |
| 08:29.15 | erawfish | Mordocai: is a what exactly doesn't run? a install, a CD? |
| 08:29.19 | Mordocai | erawfish: Here, i can tell you exactly what happens. I hit F12 to go to boot menu, i choose CD, the bios shows up with Boot from CDROM: and just passes it. Normally, right there it would boot the disc. Instead, it boots to grub. On other discs that i burned less than an hour before this one, it boots. Md5sum for the .iso checks out. |
| 08:29.37 | erawfish | dam85: if you type one more word in query I will ignore you |
| 08:30.20 | beardy | dam85: Please don't /msg people from here. |
| 08:30.35 | beardy | dam85: 'grub-install /dev/sda' |
| 08:30.37 | erawfish | Mordocai: what ISO is this? |
| 08:30.53 | erawfish | Mordocai: exact name |
| 08:30.55 | Mordocai | erawfish: dbian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 08:30.58 | dam85 | beardy are you sure? because fdisk -l tells http://rafb.net/p/R2MEN555.html |
| 08:31.01 | Mordocai | erawfish: debian* |
| 08:31.27 | dam85 | no this --> /dev/sda2 right? |
| 08:31.38 | erawfish | Mordocai: /msg dpkg etchnhalf maybe get this and try to install it |
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| 08:31.49 | erawfish | Mordocai: and what did you md5sum? the actual CD or the ISO? |
| 08:31.51 | beardy | dam85: 'install-grub /dev/sda' I meant. No, as I say. |
| 08:31.54 | erawfish | dam85: no wrong |
| 08:32.06 | erawfish | dam85: do what beardy says |
| 08:32.12 | jaggz1 | ... dpkg info on compiling an aptitude source package? |
| 08:32.21 | Mordocai | erawfish: The .iso. But, what's weird, is if I make a new virtual machine with qemu, and use the cd, not .iso, for source... it works fine. |
| 08:32.26 | dam85 | ok i put /dev/sda |
| 08:32.34 | dam85 | now follow the steps |
| 08:32.40 | jaggz1 | that is, info on compiling one which was downloaded with "apt-get source" |
| 08:32.40 | erawfish | Mordocai: I'd try ethcnhalf |
| 08:32.52 | erawfish | jaggz1: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:34.07 | dam85 | excuse me... i don't understand "edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, so both postinst_hook and postrm_hook are equal to /sbin/update-grub" |
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| 08:34.25 | dam85 | have i to add two line right? |
| 08:34.27 | erawfish | dam85: cat /etc/kernel-pkg.conf and pastebin the output |
| 08:34.32 | dam85 | ok |
| 08:34.40 | erawfish | and yes, two lines if you actually need to add it |
| 08:34.55 | dam85 | cat: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 08:34.56 | dam85 | i have |
| 08:35.08 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.09 | dam85 | with |
| 08:35.15 | erawfish | sorry. kernel-img.conf my fault |
| 08:35.29 | dam85 | http://rafb.net/p/6Z8RGc88.html |
| 08:35.47 | erawfish | then do what it says and add it |
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| 08:36.22 | kasimon | Hello. Does etch's Xen-Kernel support running as dom0? |
| 08:36.34 | petemc | yes |
| 08:37.00 | kasimon | that's great news. |
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| 08:37.22 | jaggz1 | erawfish thanky! |
| 08:37.23 | dam85 | erawfish: ok? http://rafb.net/p/H9UOgN57.html |
| 08:37.39 | clrtxt | whats the name of the base package with compile/make utils in it? |
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| 08:37.46 | petemc | build-essential |
| 08:37.54 | clrtxt | ty |
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| 08:38.05 | beardy | dam85: Yes, that is correct. |
| 08:38.11 | jaggz1 | okay, and now my ctags-exuberant is slightly different from the default system one.. what do I do to handle that? |
| 08:38.18 | jaggz1 | I don't want it to replace future ctags.. but .. hmm |
| 08:38.20 | dam85 | ok |
| 08:38.43 | clrtxt | does anyone know if the new broadcom drivers are in the non-free repo? |
| 08:38.52 | jaggz1 | can I call it "exuberant-ctags-with-css" "replaces ctags" and somehow have future updates of ctags warn me so I remember the new version will be missing css support? |
| 08:39.03 | erawfish | clrtxt: what hardware? |
| 08:39.15 | erawfish | jaggz1: set the package on hold after install |
| 08:39.24 | erawfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.42 | clrtxt | erawfish: I know how to get my hardware working, but broadcom released linux drivers about a month ago and I'm working if they made them into the repo (BCM4321) |
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| 08:40.28 | jaggz1 | and how about the name/comment? |
| 08:40.39 | dam85 | beardy: http://rafb.net/p/p5jjLL92.html |
| 08:40.44 | dam85 | how can i resolve ? |
| 08:40.52 | dam85 | i followed the dpkg steps |
| 08:41.17 | jaggz1 | is it sufficient to edit "control" and change the Source: exuberant-ctags-css (it already Provides: ctags) |
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| 08:42.11 | jaggz1 | maybe a Replaces: exuberant-ctags line too, if that's supported |
| 08:42.14 | beardy | dam85: Hmm, why is the hostname "Debian-40-etch-64-minimal"? Are you running an installer in resque mode or something? |
| 08:42.23 | enouf | dam85: did you ever install grub during installation? if so, where to? Also - did you choose grub2? |
| 08:42.32 | dam85 | no |
| 08:42.33 | cads | I have a question: do you guys mind terribly when people come here and ask sensible debian related questions, when in fact they are running ubuntu, or other debian derived environments? |
| 08:42.36 | dam85 | i have installed with |
| 08:42.41 | dam85 | aptitude install grub |
| 08:42.47 | erawfish | cads: we do mind |
| 08:42.54 | erawfish | dam85: "mount". pastebin it |
| 08:43.02 | jaggz1 | oh forget it, I don't care.. I'll just hold it.. thanks. |
| 08:43.25 | Mordocai | erawfish: Should md5sum /dev/cdrom and md5sum debian-40r4a-amd64-DVD-1.iso give the same thing? Because they aren't. |
| 08:43.25 | erawfish | jaggz1: equivs can do that with a little trickers (the replaces thing) |
| 08:43.25 | dam85 | http://rafb.net/p/UThdit78.html |
| 08:43.35 | dam85 | erawfish: http://rafb.net/p/UThdit78.html |
| 08:43.37 | erawfish | Mordocai: yes they should |
| 08:43.43 | enouf | Mordocai: not necessarily |
| 08:43.45 | beardy | cads: Yes, we do, a lot. The least when someone is honest, the most when someone lies, because we always find out. |
| 08:43.49 | enouf | depending on ISO padding |
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| 08:44.03 | erawfish | dam85: ok. dpkg -l grub |
| 08:44.07 | enouf | Mordocai: you can boot the CD, and run Check Integrity |
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| 08:44.29 | erawfish | dam85: and then run the grub-install again and pastebin all its output |
| 08:44.36 | Mordocai | enouf: Yeah, the issue is it won't boot. And other discs will. So it doesn't appear to be the BIOS. |
| 08:44.43 | dam85 | erawfish: http://rafb.net/p/9cvqYY45.html |
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| 08:44.59 | cads | I suppose it could make a lot of difference, even with trivial things |
| 08:45.21 | jaggz1 | cool.. |
| 08:45.21 | petemc | some people mind a lot more than others |
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| 08:45.25 | erawfish | cads: it does. package versions and dependencies are all different for a start |
| 08:45.54 | jaggz1 | well, the css patch doesn't work anyway.. in html I have class=foo but the .css file has ".foo {rules}" and the tags take ".foo" with the period so it doesn't match |
| 08:46.15 | dam85 | erawfish: http://rafb.net/p/MxBqSx27.html |
| 08:46.18 | enouf | Mordocai: how old is the hardware? |
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| 08:46.22 | strummula | hello |
| 08:46.32 | Mordocai | enouf: < 2 months. |
| 08:46.33 | erawfish | dam85: not what I asked for |
| 08:46.36 | strummula | how can i list a .deb package? |
| 08:46.39 | boka | la ma lagey ahile lai guys! |
| 08:46.46 | erawfish | strummula: list in what way? |
| 08:46.49 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.02 | enouf | Mordocai: and which app did you use to burn the cd? |
| 08:47.02 | strummula | erawfish: list what's inside |
| 08:47.02 | erawfish | dam85: not what I asked either |
| 08:47.07 | dam85 | ?? |
| 08:47.12 | erawfish | strummula: dpkg -L <package> |
| 08:47.21 | erawfish | < erawfish> dam85: and then run the grub-install again and pastebin all its output |
| 08:47.27 | enouf | Mordocai: and, did you use burn image? or did you just copy the ISO to a CD? |
| 08:47.27 | dam85 | ah ok |
| 08:47.27 | strummula | cazzo it's easy |
| 08:47.34 | strummula | erawfish, thanks |
| 08:47.36 | Mordocai | enouf: Just the default one with fedora. It's worked for other distros(i.e fedora itself, and archlinux). And I used burn image. |
| 08:47.51 | enouf | Mordocai: see what isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom says - pastebin |
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| 08:48.11 | dam85 | erawfish: http://rafb.net/p/2MWMH136.html |
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| 08:49.03 | erawfish | dam85: you figure out what you did wrong there. think for yourself. don't just blindly follow what we tell you |
| 08:49.14 | enouf | Mordocai: and which ISO is this? Etch 4.0r4 i386 CD1? |
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| 08:49.50 | dam85 | what? erawfish.... i'm following dpkg steps |
| 08:50.03 | dam85 | but there are problems |
| 08:50.16 | erawfish | no. you don't think. figure out yourself what you did wrong in that paste. time to learn seomthing |
| 08:50.29 | Mordocai | enouf: No, Etch 4.0r4a amd64 DVD 1. And here's pastebin http://fedora.pastebin.com/m626183bc |
| 08:50.41 | enouf | Mordocai: do you have a 64bit CPU? |
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| 08:51.15 | Mordocai | enouf: Yeah, running 64-bit fedora now. |
| 08:52.37 | enouf | Mordocai: and file -s /dev/cdrom says? (that paste look ok to me) |
| 08:53.01 | Mordocai | enouf: symbolic link to sr0 |
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| 08:53.06 | Sazpaimon | would it be a bad idea to software raid0 my swap? |
| 08:53.15 | enouf | Mordocai: and file -s /dev/sr0 says? |
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| 08:53.40 | Mordocai | enouf: /dev/sr0: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian 4.0 r4a amd64 Bin-1 ' (bootable) |
| 08:53.42 | erawfish | enouf: at bootup there is no /dev |
| 08:53.52 | erawfish | at debian CD boot there is only realmode syslinux |
| 08:53.56 | enouf | Sazpaimon: just making more than 1 swap should act very similarly |
| 08:54.20 | enouf | erawfish: isolinux? |
| 08:54.32 | Sazpaimon | yeah that makes sense, but i already partitioned a 2GB swap partition on each drive, and 4GB swap isnt really setting well with me |
| 08:54.42 | Sazpaimon | i dont know, maybe it'll work out |
| 08:54.43 | erawfish | or that, yes. but same thing: no /dev, realmode |
| 08:54.45 | enouf | Mordocai: looks ok to me - dunno what's wrong then |
| 08:54.56 | enouf | erawfish: and? |
| 08:55.23 | enouf | i'm not following your train of thought - or is that the error messages he sees? |
| 08:55.46 | erawfish | I mean what's in linux doesn't really matter. only the cd content and BIOS does at this point in time |
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| 08:56.16 | erawfish | Mordocai: since your hardware is so new, you need at least etchnhalf anyways. so get the netinst of etchnhalf and try that |
| 08:56.17 | enouf | erawfish: can you not beat around the bush please? |
| 08:56.37 | erawfish | enouf: I don't. all the linux stuff is simpl ynot there when his problem happsns |
| 08:56.52 | jaggz1 | and how do I dpkg-buildpackage without it cleaning (and recompiling everything) first? |
| 08:56.57 | jaggz1 | I made one change in one .c file |
| 08:57.04 | enouf | what linux stuff? |
| 08:57.05 | jaggz1 | (since the last build) |
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| 08:57.10 | Mordocai | erawfish: Yeah, only problem is... last time I tried a debian netinst i couldn't get the wireless driver to work. Even with installing firmware, and modprobing the driver... |
| 08:57.16 | erawfish | enouf: ALL linux suff. like /dev |
| 08:57.23 | enouf | gives up |
| 08:57.30 | Mordocai | erawfish: But i'm going to try it in any case. |
| 08:57.32 | erawfish | Mordocai: which wlan chip? |
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| 08:57.43 | jaggz1 | looks like -nc |
| 08:57.44 | Mordocai | erawfish: uses the zd1211rw driver. |
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| 08:57.50 | enouf | erawfish: and? |
| 08:57.58 | erawfish | Mordocai: with bare etch, it can easily happen you can't even boot since there is no harddisk driver in 2.6.18 for your hardware |
| 08:58.10 | enouf | erawfish: wrong |
| 08:58.12 | erawfish | Mordocai: that's in debian all by itself. |
| 08:58.19 | erawfish | !zd1211rw |
| 08:58.19 | dpkg | it has been said that zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 08:58.32 | enouf | the isolinux process has nothing to do with HDD controllers |
| 08:58.36 | Mordocai | yeah, i know. I did that... it didn't work |
| 08:58.43 | erawfish | Mordocai: just put the firmware .deb on a usb stick |
| 08:59.04 | erawfish | enouf: yes. with BIOS only. what that why linux stuff like /dev is irrelevant |
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| 08:59.14 | erawfish | and new hardware has new controllers with 2.6.18 doesn't know about |
| 08:59.31 | enouf | erawfish: what is with you and this /dev/ stuff? |
| 08:59.40 | erawfish | enouf: goodbye |
| 08:59.46 | enouf | i'm parsing info from file off the cdrom you moron |
| 08:59.59 | Xires | Guerin; took another look @ your ~/.screenrc; the last line..why did you just use `watch -n 3600 vnstat -m`? |
| 09:00.01 | erawfish | enouf: one more ad hominem and I call ops. HAND |
| 09:00.03 | Mordocai | erawfish: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32042. I finally got a post on that, but i already started over. haven't tried the depmod -a part yet. |
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| 09:00.13 | Xires | s/did/didn\'t/ |
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| 09:00.23 | enouf | erawfish: you've managed to waste WAY too much of my time already |
| 09:00.52 | beardy | Why don't you just stop talking to each other for a few minutes. You're both useful.. sometimes. |
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| 09:03.49 | bolt-work | !enouf++ |
| 09:04.21 | cads | love and peace my friends |
| 09:04.30 | bolt-work | damn hippie |
| 09:04.31 | bolt-work | :P |
| 09:04.40 | cads | it's true |
| 09:04.52 | beardy | Haha |
| 09:05.08 | beardy | !flower cads |
| 09:05.22 | beardy | Well, imagine it. |
| 09:06.00 | extor | Is X-tables the only kernel based plugin for iptables/netfilter which works with geo-ip? Or is there anything else that is not in alpha/beta just yet and is actually in a lenny kernel? |
| 09:06.34 | beardy | geo-ip is quite silly |
| 09:06.40 | cads | hey, I created a kernel package using the kpkg package, and looking in it I see no initramfs image, and yet I installed it and the corresponding image exists in /boot... was that created by dpkg when I installed? |
| 09:07.04 | extor | Do you know any other substitute with a bit more intelligence, beardy ? |
| 09:07.30 | bolt-work | cads: did you specify --initrd ? |
| 09:07.51 | beardy | extor: What do you intend to accomplish with basing something on (and not really accurate) filtering based on country of origin? |
| 09:07.55 | bolt-work | cads: make-kpkg loves that option |
| 09:08.19 | erawfish | beardy: enfore copyright and licenses which are given out on a per country basis for example |
| 09:08.25 | extor | beardy, I hope to accomplish the dropping/rejecting/NATing of incoming http requests |
| 09:08.30 | beardy | erawfish: See above. |
| 09:08.38 | erawfish | and all kinds of "location based" services" need to know the users location |
| 09:08.41 | extor | And yes I am aware of php, apache and perl based geip solutions |
| 09:08.46 | cads | I must have, because the initrd is there, it's just not in the package manifest of the created package |
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| 09:09.01 | themill | erawfish: your arguments imply that geo-ip works. |
| 09:09.01 | beardy | And all of them can be bypassed with a simple webproxy. |
| 09:09.02 | erawfish | e.e. a realtor site that sells houses. neat to show stuff in the users area and not in hawaii |
| 09:09.10 | bolt-work | cads: hm.. no clue then |
| 09:09.11 | erawfish | themill: I didn't say it did, does it? :) |
| 09:09.22 | extor | yes I know they can. thanks for that information though. |
| 09:09.32 | erawfish | well, for stuff like divding markets by country it mostly does. not perfect but close |
| 09:09.36 | cads | bolt-work, I think you just reminded me of something |
| 09:09.39 | enouf | erawfish: i apologize about any ad hominems (and i know you are not even close to being a moron) - please just try to not question others' methods - thank you |
| 09:09.42 | beardy | extor: But no, I don't have a better alternative. |
| 09:10.15 | erawfish | BarthezZ: as if the typical end user knows what a proxy even is :) |
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| 09:10.25 | erawfish | *beardy |
| 09:10.27 | bolt-work | cads: ...glad to be of service? |
| 09:10.53 | erawfish | cads: yes, initrd is created by the postinst debconf |
| 09:11.10 | erawfish | e.g. you can redo it with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:11.20 | beardy | erawfish: I guess in some respect it's good that it is like it is.. then one can get what one wants, while the idiots think they "secured" something. |
| 09:11.37 | beardy | erawfish: But it's irritating. |
| 09:12.00 | erawfish | beardy: you just mad a definition of DRM. proxies have a downside tho. they are rarely good enough for high bandwith stuff like hulu |
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| 09:12.43 | beardy | erawfish: hulu? |
| 09:12.43 | cads | erawfish, bolt-work, the problem I was experiencing was of a kernel package which failed to install... I am now quessing that I failed to specify --initrd |
| 09:13.01 | cads | in the make-kpkg operation, that is |
| 09:13.12 | erawfish | beardy: american site that streams US network TV. only accessible in US |
| 09:13.20 | beardy | erawfish: Ah. |
| 09:14.06 | Sebboh | I had a grub configuration that was automatically generated. It was pretty good. Now I've moved that hard drive; things are different. Can I re-auto-generate a grub config? How? |
| 09:14.24 | erawfish | Sebboh: did your devicenames change? |
| 09:14.51 | erawfish | Sebboh: update-grub does what you want, provided the rest is set up properly |
| 09:14.53 | Sebboh | yes, and there are less OSes on the system now. |
| 09:15.02 | Sebboh | ah. |
| 09:15.10 | Sebboh | Thanks. |
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| 09:15.35 | erawfish | when it changed. update-grub alone won't work. |
| 09:15.53 | erawfish | and it only deals with debian stuff. other OSes are only added at debian install |
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| 09:21.29 | Muty | Hi, I'm trying to configure load balancing between 2 ISPs on a debian gateway, but I have problems getting NAT to work properly. I'm using this as a guide: http://www.damia.net/comos/balance/. |
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| 09:22.56 | Muty | It seems that it's working on the gateway itself, but I can't get it to work on the pcs behind it |
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| 09:28.57 | enouf | cads: yes, the initrd is generated upon installation of premade linux-image-version pkg |
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| 09:29.37 | enouf | cads: but you do need to pass it the --initrd option in the make-kpkg command |
| 09:29.56 | cads | thanks you guys.. the build is now industriously cranking away with the --initrd option and we can hope that it shall prevail\ |
| 09:30.49 | esds | it shall prevail |
| 09:30.52 | enouf | cads: having the initrd made during installation allows for much more flexibilities for various archs and setups/hardware |
| 09:31.40 | enouf | cads: IOW, you compile on machineA for other machines, no prob, (so long as you do it correctly) ;-) |
| 09:31.49 | cads | yes, I realize now that there are a lot of things that could be in the initrd that are not specified by the kernel .config |
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| 09:33.46 | cads | enouf, that is my next trick, actually.. I will try to make a debian live disk that can be used along with a usb key to slave a windows machine for kernel building |
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| 09:34.22 | cads | because my poor laptop heats up and wants no more of this kernel building business |
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| 09:35.40 | enouf | cads: i'm not 100% sure, but even without the --initrd option, you likely can crearte an initrd afterwards for it using update-initramfs |
| 09:36.16 | enouf | cads: hehe - setup distcc - or clustering ;-) |
| 09:37.10 | cads | I actually found a distcc livecd |
| 09:38.39 | cads | but I don't have the expertise.. the other option is building distcc in cygwin and I don't want! |
| 09:39.04 | cads | a clustering solution is in the future though |
| 09:39.40 | cads | just that for now I really just want my laptop to stop burning me |
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| 09:40.46 | DustyDingo | hm, is there a good repository to get a functional mplayer _with_ mencoder |
| 09:41.03 | heroxbd | [OT]Does rdp protocol support multiple clients connecting to a single server? I want to do demonstrations with it. |
| 09:41.04 | DustyDingo | theres no mencoder in the debian standard version of mplayer |
| 09:41.26 | heroxbd | DustyDingo: debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:41.30 | DustyDingo | debian-multimedia however still has a mplayer revision from may, which is crazy concerning the security flaws |
| 09:42.09 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: may? |
| 09:42.27 | jelly-home | 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 |
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| 09:42.39 | DustyDingo | dev-SVN-r26940 |
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| 09:43.53 | DustyDingo | uhm |
| 09:43.53 | clrtxt | I just tried an upgrade to lenny, and there are a set of packages that were not upgraded (most of them to do with gnome, and synaptic). What are my options? |
| 09:45.17 | et | remove them and install again? |
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| 09:45.17 | clrtxt | how can I do that without manually writing down each one? It says sub process /usr/bin/dkpg returns an error code (1) if that helps |
| 09:45.27 | telmich | hello |
| 09:46.01 | Appiah | apt-get dist-upgrade clrtxt`? |
| 09:46.05 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: thats strange |
| 09:46.17 | telmich | how can I tell debian, not to create any other writable directories at bootup like /tmp/.ICE-unix, /tmp/.X11-unix and /dev/shm? I want them to be there, but having other rights stripped off |
| 09:46.31 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: mplayer --version prints dev-SVN-r26940 |
| 09:46.32 | heroxbd | clrtxt: Then you should hunt down what has went wrong. |
| 09:46.35 | trilobit` | I mount ntfs partitions ok and I can browse and copy from them, but I'm unable to write. I get "permition denied". Is the ntfs driver read-only ? |
| 09:46.45 | strummula | trilobit` yes |
| 09:46.47 | heroxbd | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:46.48 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 09:46.52 | DustyDingo | but the package claims to be 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 |
| 09:47.26 | trilobit` | strummula: heroxbd: thank you. will see that. |
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| 09:47.50 | clrtxt | well it appears to be a problem with package scrollkeeper. It keeps saying it is not configured yet and is going to wait |
| 09:47.58 | clrtxt | then all the other packages fail because of dependacy problems |
| 09:48.00 | enouf | DustyDingo: older versions in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 09:48.13 | enouf | DustyDingo: which mplayer |
| 09:48.25 | enouf | DustyDingo: also 'whereis mplayer' |
| 09:48.31 | DustyDingo | enouf: already looked that up |
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| 09:49.02 | DustyDingo | the bin is part of the debian-multimedia package |
| 09:49.15 | DustyDingo | 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 |
| 09:49.34 | enouf | mine also says; MPlayer dev-SVN-r26940 |
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| 09:49.53 | enouf | ii mplayer 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706- |
| 09:49.54 | DustyDingo | md5sum 9d5b2a4fa54f2d788e9f0f47959069e6 |
| 09:49.58 | DustyDingo | of the bin |
| 09:50.19 | DustyDingo | can you try mplayer --version and see what it prints |
| 09:50.25 | trilobit` | strummula: heroxbd: Installing the package ntfs-3g gave write permition. Cool. Thanks. |
| 09:50.26 | DustyDingo | and confirm the same md5sum? |
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| 09:51.13 | enouf | 9d5b2a4fa54f2d788e9f0f47959069e6 /usr/bin/mplayer |
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| 09:51.25 | DustyDingo | hm, maybe the packager did something wrong |
| 09:51.31 | enouf | install debsums ;-) |
| 09:51.31 | DustyDingo | maybe the issue is with mplayer |
| 09:51.37 | masus | hi all , have a problem to login to a debian etch ltsp-server -> http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html from one client here ara some errors and logs can anybody help me please . Thanks All |
| 09:51.58 | enouf | DustyDingo: make sure your ffmpeg pkgs are from dmm, and not the ffmpeg-free |
| 09:52.18 | enouf | i don;t even know what issue you're having though |
| 09:52.50 | enouf | $ which mencoder |
| 09:52.52 | enouf | /usr/bin/mencoder |
| 09:53.01 | trilobit` | Is there any issue with iceweasel and some plugins, namely java and flash plugin? It seems to me that iceweasel eats up a lot of memory and processor cycles after I installed these two. |
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| 09:53.40 | DustyDingo | enouf: i thought i just got a very old mplayer version by this revision number the bin prints |
| 09:53.45 | sveajobb | Hi, I get some annoying ssh connect delay times under debian, anyone know if there is some weird default setting which tries to resolve the hostname or something? |
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| 09:56.31 | enouf | sveajobb: see if killing avahi-daemon helps |
| 09:57.06 | sveajobb | enouf, hmm.. I'll try that |
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| 09:58.43 | sveajobb | enouf, ooh, that worked as a charm! try to explain? :) |
| 09:58.48 | sveajobb | try/care |
| 09:58.58 | buu | dpkg: avahi-daemon |
| 09:58.58 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, buu |
| 09:59.00 | buu | =[ |
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| 09:59.03 | buu | Worst bot ever. |
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| 09:59.10 | sveajobb | hehe :) |
| 09:59.38 | enouf | sveajobb: it;s libnss-mdns related or something, in /etc/hosts the files line, iirc - one sc |
| 10:00.25 | sveajobb | enouf, I'll just waste it then :) |
| 10:00.28 | pacroon | Hi, can anyone enlighten me on to what extend UML-diagrams and the like are used in the everyday development of Debian? |
| 10:00.58 | enouf | sveajobb: see file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940 |
| 10:02.18 | enouf | sveajobb: wrong file - it's not etc/hosts - it's /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 10:03.36 | jelly | pacroon: heh, why do you think any uml is used? |
| 10:03.37 | enouf | !tell buu -about avahi |
| 10:03.42 | enouf | !tell buu -about zeroconf |
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| 10:04.03 | sveajobb | enouf, nice, thanks for the links |
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| 10:04.18 | enouf | np |
| 10:04.44 | pacroon | jelly: well that was what I was wondering :P |
| 10:05.13 | Sazpaimon | how do i make lvcreate allocate the remainder of my partition for a volume |
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| 10:06.43 | jelly | Sazpaimon: the raminder of your volume group, you mean? |
| 10:06.47 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 10:06.57 | Sazpaimon | im guessing just use pvs and copy the PFree amount |
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| 10:07.36 | jelly | Sazpaimon: -l 100%FREE is easier |
| 10:08.29 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.33 | cast|lir | seconds 100%FREE is easier, in another context |
| 10:08.57 | jelly | Sazpaimon: full command line, please |
| 10:09.01 | Sazpaimon | lvcreate -n home -l 100%FREE maingroup |
| 10:09.37 | jelly | hmph |
| 10:09.50 | Sazpaimon | might be an old lvcreate from this recovery image |
| 10:10.12 | Internat | oh realy you can use 100%FREE? |
| 10:10.16 | jelly | oh great, lvcreate doesn't allow that syntax for initial create (however lvchange and lvcreate -s do) |
| 10:10.26 | Sazpaimon | ok |
| 10:10.28 | Sazpaimon | so pvs it is then |
| 10:10.38 | Sazpaimon | Rounding up size to full physical extent 218.18 GB |
| 10:10.40 | Sazpaimon | perfect |
| 10:11.10 | jelly | sorry for the false lead |
| 10:11.16 | Sazpaimon | no worries |
| 10:11.38 | Sazpaimon | so lets see, 5GB for /usr/ and /var/ respectively |
| 10:11.44 | Sazpaimon | that seems about right |
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| 10:12.06 | Sazpaimon | i can always resize later |
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| 10:13.14 | DustyDingo | enouf: however, debian-multimedias mplayer, is it now from ay or july, still lacks sevurity updates, which are really necessary |
| 10:13.57 | Sebboh | I've got a keyboard here with extra keys (play, pause, stop, etc). How can I assign some function to them? Like, I dunno, maximize window. |
| 10:14.31 | Sebboh | DustyDingo: Do you type with dasher? :/ |
| 10:14.40 | ma3x | what programming language is good to do the following: to go for example to www.google.com, to click on news, to open all 3 top stories and to fetch a certain text out of it and to paste it to a txt file? |
| 10:15.18 | DustyDingo | Sebboh: ;) |
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| 10:18.07 | masus | hi all , have a problem to login to a debian etch ltsp-server -> http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html from one client here ara some errors and logs can anybody help me please . Thanks All |
| 10:18.08 | Sebboh | ma3x: if you're going to hire someone, let their first task be to change the requirements so that less work is required. You see, there are ways to do exactly what you said; but there are faster ways to skip to the end result: the data placed into the text file. |
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| 10:19.17 | idimmu | ma3x: id do that in bash |
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| 10:21.16 | Sebboh | idimmu: you'd "click on news" in bash? ;) |
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| 10:21.46 | idimmu | like you said, his work flow for the end result sucks :) |
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| 10:23.16 | jelly | ma3x: what are you planning to do with those text files? |
| 10:24.03 | liable | . |
| 10:24.29 | enouf | DustyDingo: dmm is unofficial, use at your own risk :-P (wait, that even applies to official :-P) |
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| 10:24.37 | Sebboh | jelly, seo scam no doubt. =P |
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| 10:26.33 | jelly | Sebboh: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity?" |
| 10:26.41 | enouf | ma3x: perl is likely overall best for that, imho - but see the xml2 pkg as well - there might be better options |
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| 10:27.16 | jelly | surfraw is nice, but doesn't handle google news immediately |
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| 10:28.33 | Sebboh | pff, no way you'd want to implement that using anything other than RSS. XML. :) Tagged data.. Hello, it's 2008! :) |
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| 10:29.23 | kantor | hi |
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| 10:30.05 | Sebboh | observes that there are dozens of existing programs that meet the requirements (as stated so far anyway) |
| 10:30.50 | ma3x | enouf: i want the script to go to a flash (shitty i know) website to make a few clicks based on certain criteria (like date) and to fetch a text and place it to .txt |
| 10:31.11 | kantor | I tested lenny. I was very pleased with it, but there is a problem. I have a pppoe connection. And even after I configured the connection with pppoeconf. After I restart the pc I must to restart manually every time the connection with poff and pon . . . because Lenny won't connect automatically, is that a bug ? |
| 10:31.20 | kantor | in etch my connection works fine |
| 10:31.48 | kantor | I mean I configure it once and after that it connects automatically |
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| 10:33.06 | adb | kantor: /msg dpkg pppoeconf |
| 10:34.10 | Sebboh | ma3x: a flash site is entirely different than Google News. Your first priority should be to investigate if there's an entirely different way to do what you want. Working with flash in an automated fasion is possibly harder than the result is worth, you know? |
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| 10:34.57 | idimmu | Sebboh: its reasonably easy in visual basic on windows |
| 10:34.57 | kantor | yes, but after you configure your pppoe connection it should be started automatically when you start, restart your pc . . . the problem is that I need to start it manually every time in Lenny |
| 10:35.07 | kantor | in etch is no such problem |
| 10:35.25 | adb | kantor: Use "ifup" instead of "pon" after using it once ! |
| 10:35.31 | kantor | ok |
| 10:35.38 | kantor | I would try that |
| 10:35.39 | kantor | thanks |
| 10:35.45 | adb | np |
| 10:36.15 | Sebboh | ma3x, off hand I'd recommend figuring out what kinda xmlrpc conversation goes on between the actionscript in the flash object and the server--you might be able to get your data without rendering the flash--that makes it a lot more simple. |
| 10:37.50 | Sebboh | idimmu: oh come on you can do it in X, too. :) Hell there are automation utilities even.. |
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| 10:39.36 | idimmu | :p |
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| 10:45.00 | berzerka | if i (explicitly) apt-get install a package which has previously been pulled in as dependency, apt says "<package> set to manually installed". is there a way to revert this? |
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| 10:46.41 | sandman | Are there any other phones that Debian will install onto other than the OpenMoko FreeRunner? |
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| 10:50.37 | NinjaMan | berzerka: sudo aptitude markauto $(apt-cache show <Name of explicitly installed Application> | grep Depends: | sed -e 's/Depends:\|,\|([^)]*)//g') |
| 10:51.01 | NinjaMan | berzerka: that should work for you |
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| 10:52.58 | berzerka | NinjaMan: aah, markauto was all i was looking for. i want to set only the one (explicitly installed) package back to auto-installed. can this only be achieved by aptitude, not apt-get/dpkg ? |
| 10:54.18 | berzerka | or is aptitude considered the standard/basic package management utility now? |
| 10:54.43 | et | it is |
| 10:55.06 | NinjaMan | berzerka: I don't believe apt-get / dpkg actually track which packages were install automatically as the result of dependency |
| 10:55.21 | berzerka | oh, then i am sorry, and off to read the aptitude reference manual. thank you guys. |
| 10:55.29 | NinjaMan | berzerka: they simple take actions on dependencies - I could be wrong |
| 10:55.49 | NinjaMan | berzerka: your welcome |
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| 10:56.21 | NinjaMan | berzerka: of course you need to have installed the packages using aptitude in the 1st place!!!! |
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| 10:57.17 | Xires | how do I use apt-key to delete a key? |
| 10:57.30 | berzerka | phew.. that i didn't do of course. when i got into debian (woody) aptitude wasn't the default tool. hmm let's see how far i get.. |
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| 11:00.18 | NinjaMan | berzerka: I lied, the full command I gave you will actually search the dependencies of the specified package and markauto them |
| 11:00.33 | NinjaMan | berzerka: so it doesn't matter how they were installed |
| 11:01.59 | berzerka | NinjaMan: i figured that, thanks again. seems to work nicely with the already installed packages (via apt-get). |
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| 11:02.08 | NinjaMan | berserka: but only aptitude will allow you to see the markauto'd packages |
| 11:02.14 | berzerka | nods |
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| 11:03.34 | quak | hi |
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| 11:04.36 | dob1 | hi, i have a linux host and a windows client, i want to connect to the host via vnc ( or something similar) with an encrypted connection, it is possibile? |
| 11:05.14 | hramrach | dob1: use a ssh tunnel |
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| 11:05.44 | tarzeau | dob1: why not with xming? |
| 11:05.48 | tarzeau | and putty |
| 11:06.03 | GluonATechie | Help please. The [motion] makes the process [khubd] use the CPU up to 100% here on my Debian SID. I have a USB cam. The motion updated several times recently, but nothing changed to me. |
| 11:06.23 | quak | i have a 64bit arch but need to compile something for ia32, which packages must i load to get full 32bit compability? |
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| 11:07.02 | clusty | hey |
| 11:07.20 | hramrach | quak: afaik there is no full 32bit compatibility. you can get libc and gtk but if you want more you need a 32bit chroot |
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| 11:07.34 | clusty | is there a way to get a random number (double) inside bash? |
| 11:07.40 | quak | what exactly does chroot? |
| 11:08.08 | hramrach | quak: not much but you can chroot into a directory where ther is a 32bit debian installed |
| 11:08.13 | dob1 | hramrach, tarzeau i try thanks |
| 11:08.29 | quak | i thought to remember it was said that amd64 is compatibel to ia32 |
| 11:08.41 | quak | ok |
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| 11:09.04 | NinjaMan | dob1 : I tried using realvnc (windows) and vino (debian Linux) and the encryption systems seemed to be incompatible, so definitely go with hramrach's suggestion of a ssh-tunnel |
| 11:09.31 | mquin | clusty: $RANDOM |
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| 11:10.00 | clusty | mquin, thanks |
| 11:10.55 | quak | thanks hramrach, i try |
| 11:10.57 | Nikon1 | Sorry about the trouble but does anyone know any shell that i can use to http tunnel with putty? garofil went down a long time ago.. x.x |
| 11:11.18 | Nikon1 | i think garofil used debian thats why i came here ^^; i'm kinda clueless.. |
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| 11:13.34 | carl_ | hi guys, i have a imac with a ati hd 2600 card, and id like to use true transperancy for my terminals under gnome, i have direct rendering enabled using the latest ati drivers, how do i enable the composite extention? |
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| 11:15.09 | genius_ | Hi, i have problem with encrypted LVM. Can you help to find docs how to add PAM for this? |
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| 11:16.39 | AnalogKiwi | So hi, got a question. I'm using Debian on my NSLU2 (ARM device). I want to use pulseaudio on it, but i can't get the packages (i keep on getting 404's) => http://pastie.org/297930 |
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| 11:18.59 | voltage` | morning |
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| 11:23.47 | Lagbolt | genius_, if you install pam the configuration files are fairly well documented |
| 11:24.17 | Lagbolt | genius_, what did you use to encrypt the drive? cryptsetup? |
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| 11:24.56 | flourish_ | hello, i am new to debian. And before, i always use ubuntu.^_^ |
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| 11:26.37 | flourish_ | just one thing i can not understand quite clearly. That is the source. ^_^ |
| 11:27.06 | Lagbolt | flourish_, what dont you understand about the sourcE? do you mean the sources for apt? or building from source? |
| 11:27.27 | flourish_ | source for apt, i mean |
| 11:27.28 | AnalogKiwi | nvm, tried other mirror :D |
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| 11:28.05 | Lagbolt | flourish_, what dont you understand? what they mean? how to change them? which sources you should use? |
| 11:28.08 | flourish_ | ;-) maybe i should read more introduction about debian first |
| 11:28.26 | Lagbolt | flourish_, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 11:28.39 | flourish_ | Lagbolt: thanks very much |
| 11:29.47 | flourish_ | oh, i remembered. In debian we use iceweasel? not firefox3. |
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| 11:30.45 | Lagbolt | flourish_, yup, iceweasel, icedove and iceowl |
| 11:31.09 | Cozminsky | don't forget iceape |
| 11:31.21 | flourish_ | what are they? |
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| 11:32.00 | Cozminsky | iceweasel == firefox, icedove == thunderbird, iceowl == sunbird, iceape == seamonkey |
| 11:32.05 | Lagbolt | flourish_, icedove is thunderbird and iceowl is sunbird |
| 11:32.21 | flourish_ | CompWizrd: oh, that sounds nice |
| 11:32.41 | Lagbolt | flourish_, type this . . apt-cache show icedove |
| 11:33.04 | flourish_ | yes, i use aptitude show icedove |
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| 11:33.11 | Cozminsky | sunbird is calendaring program and seamonkey is the all in one browser suite that used to be the only kid in town before firefox |
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| 11:35.46 | flourish_ | oh, execue me, if i want to make iceweasel default browser ( use command ), how can i do it |
| 11:36.11 | flourish_ | i know howto do this by graphic |
| 11:36.28 | Maliuta | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 11:37.05 | Maliuta | flourish_: and man update-alternatives |
| 11:37.06 | flourish_ | Maliuta: ;-) thanks, haven't use this command for long time. I almost forget it. |
| 11:37.23 | Maliuta | RTFM and all shall be revealed |
| 11:38.18 | flourish_ | oh, first time some one say "RTFM" to me.;-) |
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| 11:40.18 | Maliuta | flourish_: I _could_ use STFU ... but there are people around here that are overly sensitive |
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| 11:52.26 | MariachiAC | Hello. In debian lenny, my fan always goes crazy when doing certain tasks in gnome. I can have pidgin open and open evolution and the fan turns on. Is there a problem with my computer? |
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| 12:02.33 | micols | has anyone run hotswap scsi u160/320 with dpt_i2o in linux? |
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| 12:08.18 | rvsjoen | hmm... anyone have an idea why make menuconfig spews out escape characters without moving the cursor around ? |
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| 12:14.57 | Agiofws | can someone help me set up up f exim4 on debian |
| 12:15.04 | Agiofws | its simply not sending mail |
| 12:15.09 | Agiofws | via gmail |
| 12:15.22 | Agiofws | i am getting this message alla the fucking time |
| 12:15.35 | petemc | it would be more accurate to say the authentication isnt working |
| 12:15.52 | Agiofws | petemc, ok why though petemc |
| 12:16.05 | petemc | i would hazard a guess at configuration |
| 12:16.06 | Agiofws | petemc, is there a file i have to edit ? ? |
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| 12:16.27 | eptalon | hi there |
| 12:16.35 | Agiofws | mutt ? fetchmail ? exim4 ? procmail ? |
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| 12:16.54 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29247 |
| 12:17.05 | petemc | Agiofws: /etc/exim4/passwd.client, iirc - its not something i do |
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| 12:17.09 | tarzeau | Agiofws: no space before interpunction character, a space after interpunction characters |
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| 12:17.24 | Agiofws | tarzeau, ? |
| 12:17.36 | tarzeau | Agiofws: 14:16 < Agiofws> mutt ? fetchmail ? exim4 ? procmail ? |
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| 12:17.55 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:17.58 | cahoot | tarzeau: listless? |
| 12:17.58 | tarzeau | Agiofws: that line hurts my typographic eyes |
| 12:17.59 | idimmu | #grammarnazi |
| 12:17.59 | eptalon | If I want to install some vittualisation platform that allows me to virtualize one of the other OSes, which one should I choose? |
| 12:18.19 | tarzeau | idimmu: it's not about grammar |
| 12:18.26 | idimmu | whats it about? |
| 12:18.29 | eptalon | heya tazeau |
| 12:18.31 | Agiofws | tarzeau, whats hurting is not being able to send email via exim4 mutt |
| 12:18.34 | tarzeau | idimmu: typography |
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| 12:18.55 | petemc | Agiofws: you need to read up on exim as a smtp auth client |
| 12:19.00 | tarzeau | heya eptalon, did you change your nick? |
| 12:19.04 | mirco | eptalon: I prefer Xen, but you could also choose something else like kvm... |
| 12:19.07 | Tapout | by default, where does vsftpd store error logs when there are problems with the config file? |
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| 12:19.25 | eptalon | tarzeau: was ircing as "ribnitz" before |
| 12:19.30 | Agiofws | smtp.gmail.com : agiofws@gmail.com: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 12:19.32 | tarzeau | eptalon: i see |
| 12:19.42 | Agiofws | gmail-smtp.l.google.com : agiofws@gmail.com: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
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| 12:19.48 | eptalon | tarzeau: no i did nick registration. |
| 12:19.50 | Agiofws | petemc, anything wrong woth that file ? |
| 12:19.56 | esaym | anyone having issues with virtualbox in lenny? I updated the kernel and it can't get it to run, even if I build the module with module-assistant. It still complains about the wrong kernel module... |
| 12:20.04 | petemc | Agiofws: i said its not something i use, so i dont know |
| 12:20.05 | Agiofws | the password is right |
| 12:20.13 | Agiofws | and and the usename |
| 12:20.36 | NinjaMan | Agiofws: I think gmail/googlemail smtp servers use TLS encryption |
| 12:20.47 | Agiofws | so ? |
| 12:21.35 | themill | dpkg: tell esaym about virtualbox lenny |
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| 12:21.40 | NinjaMan | Agiofws: well if you are not setting up a TLS encrypted connection to the smtp server it won't work ..... |
| 12:21.58 | Agiofws | ok what conf do i use to set it up |
| 12:22.19 | jelly | esaym: uname -r? dpkg -l virtualbox-ose |tail -1 ? |
| 12:22.19 | Agiofws | cause i think TLS is already up and working if this was working a month agao |
| 12:22.27 | NinjaMan | Agiofws: that I don't know, you'll have to read up on it. I have mine set-up from evolution only |
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| 12:22.59 | NinjaMan | Agiofws: also check whether on smtp.gmail.com has been all migrated to smtp.googlemail.com |
| 12:23.09 | Agiofws | how ? |
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| 12:23.37 | Cozminsky | agiofws: shouldn't it just be a matter of putting username and passwd in CONFDIR/passwd.client if you're using the split config? |
| 12:23.49 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.50 | rafajsp | 'nothing' |
| 12:24.10 | themill | Agiofws: the smtp server that you are using (from that paste) is not one that is listed in passwd file |
| 12:24.29 | NinjaMan | Agiofws: btw - what are your log files telling you when you try to authenticate? |
| 12:24.36 | Cozminsky | agiofws: when you first install it asks if you want a single file or split config |
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| 12:24.55 | petemc | Cozminsky: i dont think thats relevant to whether it use passwd.client or not |
| 12:25.14 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29248 |
| 12:25.23 | Agiofws | i get that message everywhere |
| 12:25.40 | Agiofws | themill, can you explain ? from which pastes ? |
| 12:25.44 | Cozminsky | petemc: you might be right, I always use split for convenience of upgrades, so I wasn't sure |
| 12:25.49 | jelly | esaym: also, dpkg -l virtualbox-ose-source|tail -1 |
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| 12:26.02 | petemc | Cozminsky: saying that, im not sure either :) |
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| 12:27.49 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29249 |
| 12:27.49 | Agiofws | themill, ^^ ? |
| 12:28.01 | esaym | yes it still doesn't work |
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| 12:28.21 | vlt | Hello. I want to make an exact copy of an audio cd. I tried using k3b's "clone copy" mode to create an image file. But how to burn it now? Is there a better (command line) tool for that task? |
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| 12:28.31 | Cozminsky | agiofws: remember you'll also have to set the port to 587 or 465 |
| 12:28.51 | Agiofws | i am using 587\ |
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| 12:29.00 | Agiofws | Transport port=25 replaced by host-specific port=587 |
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| 12:29.00 | Agiofws | Connecting to gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com [74.125.79.111]:587 ... connected |
| 12:29.00 | Agiofws | \ |
| 12:29.22 | Lagbolt | vlt, man wodim |
| 12:30.06 | vlt | Lagbolt: Thank you. Can I use wodim to burn the image k3b created? |
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| 12:30.18 | themill | Agiofws: yes, but do you have gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com in the passwd file? You didn't according to what you pasted in the channel earlier. |
| 12:30.37 | Agiofws | themill, no i don;t think so |
| 12:30.40 | Lagbolt | vlt, assuming k3b made an image properly. if it did i dont see why you cant use k3b to burn it |
| 12:30.42 | Cozminsky | agiofws: what happens if you run exim in debug mode to send a message? |
| 12:31.00 | Agiofws | themill, i do |
| 12:31.05 | themill | esaym: did you modprobe -r then modprobe the module? |
| 12:31.16 | Agiofws | smtp.gmail.com : agiofws@gmail.com: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
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| 12:31.26 | Agiofws | gmail-smtp.l.google.com : agiofws@gmail.com: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 12:31.27 | Agiofws | there |
| 12:31.36 | Agiofws | those 2 are in my paswd file |
| 12:31.43 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/exim4# more passwd.client |
| 12:32.02 | Agiofws | ahh no i don't ... |
| 12:32.05 | vlt | Lagbolt: k3b refuses "opening" it in the "file open ..." dialog. And selecting the file in the "burn cd from iso" dialog (I know that it actually is not an ISO image) fails too. |
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| 12:32.09 | Agiofws | msa is not in there |
| 12:32.26 | Agiofws | vlt, use cdwrite |
| 12:32.33 | Agiofws | dd even |
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| 12:33.20 | Agiofws | gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com so i put a 3rd line in passwd.client ? |
| 12:33.22 | Agiofws | themill, ? |
| 12:33.24 | vlt | Agiofws: I doubt `dd` can write to a cd-r drive. |
| 12:33.24 | Agiofws | like |
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| 12:33.44 | Lagbolt | vlt i dont think you can make an image of an audio CD in the same way you can of a data cd. just read wodim man page, it has examples on copying audio CDs |
| 12:33.45 | themill | Agiofws: I guess so. I don't use it though. |
| 12:33.56 | Agiofws | gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com : agiofws@gmail.com: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx like that ? |
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| 12:34.22 | eptalon | Audio cds have no file system. |
| 12:34.25 | Lagbolt | vlt, http://pastebin.com/m63633be8 |
| 12:34.31 | Lagbolt | straight out of man page |
| 12:34.41 | vlt | Lagbolt: Thank you. |
| 12:34.44 | esaym | yes the driver has been removed and reinserted |
| 12:34.45 | esaym | http://pastebin.com/m47e60ebd |
| 12:34.54 | Lagbolt | vlt, or you can do a pipe icedax dev=1,0 -no-infofile -B -Oraw - | wodim dev=2,0 -v -dao -audio -useinfo -text *.inf |
| 12:35.04 | esaym | I am wondering if module-assistant is building agains the wrong source or something? |
| 12:35.08 | Lagbolt | where dev=2,0 would be dev=/dev/cdrom or whatever for you |
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| 12:35.35 | jelly | vlt: or use cdrdao, which has been able to copy audio cds since '97 |
| 12:35.48 | eptalon | Oh, perhaps a very basic question is ICH10R already supported by linux? |
| 12:36.23 | eptalon | vlt: Is this a "copy-protected" audio cd? |
| 12:37.10 | eptalon | k3b has pretty much everything, but its a gui app (needs kde libs too) |
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| 12:37.21 | esaym | ok I am stumped, |
| 12:39.25 | jelly | eptalon: also, k3b is just a wrapper around real tools |
| 12:40.02 | eptalon | jelly: that too. |
| 12:41.14 | jelly | to copy a single cd it's likely simpler to just "cdrdao copy blah.toc", except if one has separate source and destination devices |
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| 12:42.19 | vlt | Lagbolt: wodim seems to work fine. Thanks |
| 12:42.33 | Lagbolt | vlt, no prob |
| 12:42.38 | themill | esaym: the version of the modules package m-a creates implies it is using the correct source. |
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| 12:43.08 | Agiofws | themill, |
| 12:43.10 | Agiofws | Restarting MTA: exim4. |
| 12:43.11 | Agiofws | * ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 12:43.11 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 12:45.13 | barnabas | does anyone know how to check iceweasel for logs, if there are any |
| 12:45.16 | barnabas | it keeps crashing on me |
| 12:46.08 | cahoot | not flashrelated by chance? |
| 12:46.23 | barnabas | well i installed flash plugin |
| 12:46.26 | barnabas | but js is disabled |
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| 12:48.11 | barnabas | ever since it upgraded to 3.0.3 |
| 12:48.22 | barnabas | and i rebooted, since that sometimes helps |
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| 12:50.00 | themill | the only place anything like that will log is ~/.xsession-errors, but you can see the same output if you run it from an xterm |
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| 12:52.45 | anddam | hi |
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| 12:53.36 | barnabas | other than a couple warnings about being able to find an icon, that is the only thing it hase complained about, my file is only 12 lines long |
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| 12:53.45 | barnabas | and ive had it crash LOTS so that probably isnt it |
| 12:53.52 | barnabas | maybe it was plugin or extension related |
| 12:54.10 | barnabas | i removed flash and a couple extensions, no crash since |
| 12:54.12 | anddam | I'd like to launch a program and respawn it if quits, Ã -la-init but user controlled , how should I do it? |
| 12:54.12 | themill | it usually is. Try safe-mode or a new profile. |
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| 12:54.37 | barnabas | usually extensions you mean? |
| 12:54.43 | barnabas | it seems to be that pos flash |
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| 12:56.40 | erawfish | barnabas: js has nothing to do with flash |
| 12:57.05 | erawfish | barnabas: and simply run icewasel from a terminal |
| 12:57.30 | jelly | anddam: a cursory look at "apt-cache search restart" output suggests: launchtool, restartd, maybe others (monit, daemontools are global/require root) |
| 12:57.40 | themill | anddam: http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement |
| 13:00.01 | anddam | thanks |
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| 13:00.13 | pumpkin0 | just curious: how big is the lenny-mirror for i386? |
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| 13:04.04 | barnabas | 'js has nothing to do with flash' um... how many websites do you know that play flash videos when js is disabled, usually js has to be enabled for flash to do anything, and you seem to think everything is 'simple' 'simply run iceweasel from a terminal' its all so simple isnt it? well that 'simply' did not display any terminal msgs so twice WRONG you kiddies are all nubs i am wasting my time |
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| 13:04.26 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 13:04.38 | piko | Hi, I need jre plugin to firefox and I am unable to find any package for 64bit java on unstable. Could anyone give some hints? |
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| 13:04.52 | abrotman | piko: try icedtea |
| 13:05.20 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 23255 packages, 1943 maintainers, 60430 MB installed size, 21146 MB compressed size. |
| 13:05.27 | abrotman | pumpkin0: ^^ |
| 13:05.32 | abrotman | pumpkin0: roughly |
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| 13:05.41 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: thanks a lot. |
| 13:05.52 | anddam | themill: that's mainly global-oriented or talks about a wrapper script |
| 13:06.08 | piko | abrotman: ok, it seems to be what I want, nevertheless will the openjdk work in same way as sun java does? (I mean will I be able to use it instead sun?) |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | !icedtea |
| 13:06.18 | anddam | themill: but I asked exactly for an already existing mechanism in order to avoid wrapping & to reinvent the wheel |
| 13:06.18 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | i'd hope so |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | though i've not used it, so i can't say |
| 13:06.42 | themill | anddam: there has to be a wrapper. There is an existing mechanism and it is discussed on that page. |
| 13:06.50 | piko | abrotman: ok I will try, thanks |
| 13:06.53 | anddam | themill: that I just read |
| 13:07.04 | anddam | themill: actually lines in init doesn't have a wrapper |
| 13:07.10 | anddam | s/init/inittab |
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| 13:07.14 | themill | anddam: init is the wrapper |
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| 13:08.34 | anddam | I won't argue |
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| 13:15.09 | myeggo | hello |
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| 13:15.43 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 13:17.16 | yassine | i have a problem updating my system or even installing any python based packages when i try to install python-moinmoin i get the following error: http://rafb.net/p/POQXzA83.html anyone have an idea what could be the problem in there? |
| 13:17.26 | yassine | i have a debian etch box |
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| 13:19.23 | atomiku-work | Hmm, what fileserver daemon should I use? I haven't done this before, I just need something macs and windows can access |
| 13:19.41 | petemc | atomiku-work: samba |
| 13:19.50 | atomiku-work | Alright awesome, thanks |
| 13:19.55 | atomiku-work | That seems to be the main one out there I guess |
| 13:20.07 | petemc | for cross platform it would be |
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| 13:20.11 | gui____ | hi |
| 13:20.15 | atomiku-work | I remember toying with samba before, it confused me a little bit |
| 13:20.23 | atomiku-work | But hey, I WAS 13. |
| 13:20.23 | petemc | its well documented |
| 13:20.26 | atomiku-work | (Possibly 14) |
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| 13:20.34 | gui____ | can I rely on wpa protocol for wireless connection or may I need to use radius authentification for best security ? |
| 13:20.35 | atomiku-work | Well, thanks bro :) |
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| 13:20.50 | apprentice | Hi I'm having some problems with upgrading on Etch. It's something with the Virtualbox 2. Do I just keep upgrading Vbox without that verification thing? http://pastebin.com/d70adb0f9 |
| 13:21.14 | petemc | gui____: if you want real security you would probably avoid wireless |
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| 13:21.40 | gui____ | petemc, really ? |
| 13:21.44 | petemc | gui____: tho wpa is fine, it can be broken but its not done easily |
| 13:21.58 | gui____ | I hear wpa with a long key is unbreakable |
| 13:22.00 | micols | http://linux.rlogin.org/iptraftest.txt any idea why it splits the last nfs packet up to a 2348 byte packet? is this normal? |
| 13:22.27 | bw\ | gui: http://www.ngohq.com/news/14812-russian-firm-uses-gpu-acceleration-break-wi-fi-encryption.html |
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| 13:22.55 | petemc | thats not really new, they just speeded it up a bit |
| 13:23.01 | petemc | 'sped' |
| 13:23.04 | barnabas | i am not a man without honor, running it from a terminal gave me two words 'segmentation fault', and it obviously stopped once i removed the flash plugin |
| 13:23.07 | barnabas | so i concede that much |
| 13:23.25 | gui____ | so ... it's not the most secure way ... |
| 13:23.27 | gui____ | thank you |
| 13:23.28 | barnabas | so there is nothing that can be done about the crappy plugin but to remove it if its gonna be segfaulting every 30 seconds |
| 13:23.38 | barnabas | even when not being used |
| 13:23.54 | bw\ | gui: most secure way would be openvpn or something like that, maybe ipsec |
| 13:24.15 | gui____ | ok |
| 13:24.37 | Nibbl | wpa can still be considered secure imho |
| 13:24.53 | eptalon | gui____: And if yo are security-conscious you dont use wireless networking. |
| 13:25.02 | eptalon | Nibbl: nope. |
| 13:25.08 | gui____ | eptalon, :-( |
| 13:25.13 | Nibbl | there were bruteforcing attacks announced, but not shown/proven recently, and those attack the key... so using a strong passphrase should give you good security imho |
| 13:25.25 | petemc | eptalon: it will deter casual attempts |
| 13:25.45 | Nibbl | eptalon: show me some source that states why wpa is to be considered broken pls |
| 13:25.49 | eptalon | petemc: tunnel over ipsec.. |
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| 13:26.00 | barnabas | the only other time i have the browser crash is after i install a lot of packages to a new system, sometimes it needs two reboots to get everything running properly |
| 13:26.21 | ma3x | what do i use to convert xml to html? |
| 13:26.36 | micols | perhaps 'convert' :P |
| 13:26.38 | barnabas | gdm seems to be like that too after installing it, cant configure it from the login screen until the second reboot |
| 13:26.40 | micols | but its mostly for images |
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| 13:27.25 | Nibbl | eptalon: ? |
| 13:27.37 | ma3x | how can i make snapshot with the user being logged off? it shows my only blank snapshots |
| 13:27.53 | eptalon | Nibbl: Sorry, mistook it for WEP.. |
| 13:27.58 | yassine | anyone have a clue whats wrong here please http://rafb.net/p/POQXzA83.html ?? |
| 13:28.16 | Nibbl | yea, WEP is broken as hell :D |
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| 13:28.56 | koollman | yassine: 2 not fully installed or removed. |
| 13:29.03 | koollman | that's the problem |
| 13:29.10 | Nibbl | gui____: as you see, use a strong passphrase and you are fine |
| 13:29.20 | koollman | yassine: a previous installation failed |
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| 13:29.27 | yassine | koollman, any hints how to solve it? |
| 13:29.32 | gui____ | Nibbl, ok it sounds better |
| 13:29.42 | gui____ | thank you |
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| 13:30.15 | barnabas | i cant seem to find the article now |
| 13:30.47 | barnabas | but i just read somethign about the govt seems to be worried about trojans in the silicon from china |
| 13:30.48 | iarwain1 | So i'm on Debian ARM (on my NSLU2) using mpd. I see that mpd has no pulse output. What is the recommended way to get mpd outputting to mpd? |
| 13:31.12 | barnabas | they set up a commission to test chips from china and its classified, but they seem to be rather alarmed by it |
| 13:31.27 | barnabas | not just a rumor anymore |
| 13:31.31 | koollman | yassine: 'aptitude install', (no other arguments) |
| 13:31.52 | stew | barnabas: please take this to a more appropriate channel. perhaps #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 13:32.02 | yassine | koollman, which version should i then install ? 2.4 ? |
| 13:32.29 | barnabas | stew i am commenting on the current line of security-related discussion |
| 13:32.30 | barnabas | if you dont like it stfu and stop wasting my screen space |
| 13:32.31 | barnabas | kthx |
| 13:32.33 | barnabas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.45 | stew | barnabas: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 13:34.04 | ma3x | how can i make screenshot of X while being logged on, but if I'm working something else in the console meanwhile? |
| 13:34.09 | anddam | bye |
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| 13:34.44 | anddam | ma3x: try xwd |
| 13:35.07 | ma3x | let's say I do 'sleep 10 && scrot' and then I ctrl+alt+f2 and work something else while awaiting for the snapshot to be done |
| 13:35.23 | ma3x | !xwd |
| 13:35.23 | dpkg | [xwd] a tool to dump an image of an X window to a file. |
| 13:35.25 | anddam | I don't think logging refers to X but to the upper environment |
| 13:35.45 | anddam | but I'm not sure I've understood your question |
| 13:35.54 | ma3x | ok now I'm in X |
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| 13:36.14 | anddam | and what's ctrl-alt-f2 supposed to do? |
| 13:36.14 | ma3x | I do 'sleep 60 && scrot' in xterm while in X |
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| 13:36.46 | ma3x | and then I go to the console (ctrl+alt+f1) |
| 13:36.53 | ma3x | and I am awaiting for the screenshot to be done |
| 13:37.02 | ma3x | all I see is 'black screen' |
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| 13:37.47 | anddam | oh you call console first virtual terminal |
| 13:38.02 | bolt-work | ma3x: er. scrot takes a screenshot of X, not the vty's |
| 13:38.12 | ma3x | bolt: yes that's what i want it to do |
| 13:38.14 | anddam | and I suppose scrot is something to take a screen in X |
| 13:38.20 | ma3x | yes |
| 13:38.38 | bolt-work | ma3x: if you want it to take a screenshot of X, stay there, don't go to the vty's |
| 13:38.48 | ma3x | but as i'm telling you if I do sleep 60 && scrot, and I exit the console and work something outside X, it will take only black screen |
| 13:38.55 | ma3x | so it's impossible |
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| 13:39.02 | anddam | check scrot man page |
| 13:39.05 | anddam | I never heard it |
| 13:39.14 | bolt-work | ma3x: if you set up a framebuffer, there are several things that can take a screenshot of those |
| 13:39.32 | bolt-work | ma3x: ..or you could just take a screenshot of a fullscreen console in X... |
| 13:39.51 | anddam | ma3x: why exactly are you using scrot? |
| 13:39.53 | ma3x | bolt-work: my purpose is to take more screenshots on more terminals |
| 13:39.57 | ma3x | on the same computer |
| 13:40.09 | ma3x | like to set user1 to take screenshot after 60 secs |
| 13:40.15 | ma3x | and to set user 2,3 do the same |
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| 13:40.31 | ma3x | i want the screenshot taken from what is currently happening on X |
| 13:40.34 | ma3x | *in X |
| 13:40.35 | acid1 | could someone help me. what should i do, im trying to install ati drivers .. so when i run ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh --buildpkg lenny. I get this failure: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.5 needed by debian/fglrx-amdcccle/usr/bin/amdcccle (its RPATH is '').. i only have /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6? I tried getting libstdc++5 but didnt give me that ..? what should i do? |
| 13:40.36 | bolt-work | ma3x: you want screenshots of other users X sessions? |
| 13:40.37 | ma3x | and not from the actual screen |
| 13:40.47 | anddam | ma3x: can you read english? |
| 13:40.58 | ma3x | anddam: yes sorry i didn't see your comment |
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| 13:41.11 | ma3x | anddam: what else should i use? |
| 13:41.12 | anddam | ma3x: xwd has -display and is standard X11 stuff, unlike "scrot" |
| 13:42.12 | ma3x | anddam: what command you use to dump an image of the actual X session to /home/user? |
| 13:42.48 | anddam | ma3x: you're hard to understand, does "actual" mean there's only one X session? |
| 13:43.08 | ma3x | anddam: no, multiple |
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| 13:43.29 | anddam | I'd run xwd n times, where n is the number of displays |
| 13:43.50 | ma3x | anddam: what command do you use to dump the image? |
| 13:44.00 | anddam | ma3x: _xwd_ |
| 13:44.06 | anddam | am I writing braille? |
| 13:44.19 | ma3x | that shows me a shooting thing |
| 13:44.21 | ma3x | :p |
| 13:44.24 | acid1 | anyone? |
| 13:45.17 | ma3x | anddam: do 'scrot' |
| 13:45.17 | anddam | ma3x: I don't have scrot installed |
| 13:45.17 | ma3x | anddam: it takes snapshot and outputs it into your homedir, can xwd do that? |
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| 13:45.20 | anddam | ma3x: it depends, can you read a man page? |
| 13:45.34 | anddam | it's in the first three rows of man page btw |
| 13:45.36 | ma3x | anddam: i want it to do that without pressing hte mouse |
| 13:45.49 | ma3x | when i run xwd it shows me a sniper thing |
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| 13:46.08 | anddam | I have to go and I think you can do it on yourself |
| 13:46.12 | gngkai | hi, I have strange issue using lenny |
| 13:46.15 | anddam | remember, Luke, use the man |
| 13:46.20 | gngkai | I have setup an IP alias on etho |
| 13:46.23 | gngkai | eth0:0 |
| 13:46.52 | gngkai | now packages leaving the box have src eth0:0 |
| 13:47.15 | gngkai | this doesn't happen on etch |
| 13:47.28 | gngkai | any hints? |
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| 13:52.33 | FR33L4NC3 | Can anyone help me installing Finch on my NSLU2/Debian machine |
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| 13:56.10 | ma3x | xwd: unable to open display ':1' |
| 13:56.13 | ma3x | what the hell is wrong with that? |
| 13:56.18 | FR33L4NC3 | Can anyone help me installing Finch on my NSLU2/Debian machine |
| 13:56.39 | FR33L4NC3 | You should keep you display closed... |
| 13:56.48 | stew | FR33L4NC3: have you tried "aptitude install finch"? |
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| 13:57.44 | FR33L4NC3 | stew: aptitude? I'm a console noob... but I know Finch is not available for Debian by .deb pakages, but what does 'aptitude' do? |
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| 13:57.57 | stew | judd: versions finch |
| 13:57.59 | judd | stew: finch: 2.4.3-3~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.4.3-3 (lenny) 2.4.3-4 (sid) 2.5.0-1 (experimental) |
| 13:58.02 | stew | FR33L4NC3: aptitude is like apt-get |
| 13:58.07 | stew | FR33L4NC3: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:58.24 | FR33L4NC3 | Linux NSLU2-Debian 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 13:59.08 | stew | FR33L4NC3: if that is etch, you'd need to use bpo: "/msg dpkg bpo" as finch didn't exist when etch was frozen, it isn't in etch |
| 13:59.24 | abrotman | he could use centericq for most IM stuff .. it's in etch |
| 13:59.53 | ma3x | uhm why nobody knows this? |
| 13:59.54 | FR33L4NC3 | centericq wont seem to be able to connect msn |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | centericq used to work on MSN |
| 14:00.21 | FR33L4NC3 | it will not connect when I tried |
| 14:00.21 | abrotman | but i also haven't used centericq in awhile |
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| 14:01.10 | FR33L4NC3 | Now I got gaim, but I do not realy like it... It'll do the job, but it is not it if you feel me |
| 14:01.34 | cast | irc over to im.bitlbee.org :) |
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| 14:02.39 | mythomaniac | is there anyway to convert synaptic install mark files into a bash script? |
| 14:03.22 | ma3x | does anybody know how to take screenshots of multiple X windows? at the same time? for example i have 3 X windows running, how do I take screenshot of all of them? |
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| 14:03.58 | FR33L4NC3 | ma3x: You should multitask... ;) |
| 14:04.58 | ma3x | what? |
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| 14:06.15 | FR33L4NC3 | to install finch I tried the next |
| 14:06.16 | FR33L4NC3 | su -c 'apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-2.6-686 libxml2-dev intltool libglib2.0-dev gettext libncurses5-dev libgnutls-dev' |
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| 14:06.30 | FR33L4NC3 | But it could not find linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 14:06.55 | stew | FR33L4NC3: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:07.17 | DemisM | hi guys, I have the current situation. I've got mails i'd like to print, but I don't want to waste a page per mail, I want continuous printing of my mail. Any idea of how I can do this? I was thinking of using redirecting output and appending it all to a file, but no idea how to do this. Any ideas? |
| 14:07.24 | FR33L4NC3 | Package files: |
| 14:07.25 | FR33L4NC3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.25 | FR33L4NC3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.25 | FR33L4NC3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.26 | stew | FR33L4NC3: what are you going to do with linux-headers? |
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| 14:08.11 | FR33L4NC3 | :S "bash: /msg: No such file or directory" :S |
| 14:08.22 | stew | dpkg: tell FR33L4NC3 about paste |
| 14:08.25 | stew | FR33L4NC3: what are you going to do with linux-headers? |
| 14:08.40 | FR33L4NC3 | compile finch on my NSLU |
| 14:08.42 | cr3rzemjest | kdm==xdm ?? |
| 14:08.51 | cr3rzemjest | or kdm uses xdm? |
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| 14:09.06 | stew | FR33L4NC3: why do you need linux-headers to compile finch? why do you want to compile finch instead of installing it from backports.org? |
| 14:09.27 | stew | cr3rzemjest: kdm and xdm are completely separate program that perform (mostly) the same function |
| 14:09.47 | FR33L4NC3 | cuz i couldn't find how |
| 14:10.00 | stew | dpkg: tell FR33L4NC3 about bpo |
| 14:10.07 | FR33L4NC3 | I did find "http://linuxneophyte.com/compile-finch-on-debian-etch/#comment-8209" |
| 14:10.17 | FR33L4NC3 | so I tried to do tha... but it did not work |
| 14:10.26 | berzerka | i am in a bit of a dilemma, regarding screen (or glibc actually) re-setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. i need to have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set, so the software we are developing finds its shared objects. the only way to achieve this is unsetting the suid/sgid bits on the screen binary. now the folder /var/run/screen is group-writable by the screen group. i.e. either the binary is run with sgid screen, or i am actually in the screen group. the problem is that |
| 14:10.26 | berzerka | user account is on NIS, and the screen system group is not (GID<500). now there are several possibilities. i could export the system groups via NIS or i could change the ownership of the directory to some shared group... how would you go about this? any thoughts appreciated :) |
| 14:10.31 | stew | FR33L4NC3: why didn't it work? |
| 14:11.12 | cr3rzemjest | stew, i turned off xdm on all runlevels using sysv-rc-conf, and switched on kdm, and kdm doesn't start... but xdm works when switched on |
| 14:11.19 | FR33L4NC3 | E: Couldn?t find package linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 14:11.40 | stew | FR33L4NC3: why do you want the headers to some kernel you aren't running? |
| 14:11.46 | stew | cr3rzemjest: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 14:12.15 | FR33L4NC3 | That?s also what I was thinking, but i did not know what to do, so I had to try something |
| 14:12.17 | stew | FR33L4NC3: if some instructions are telling you that you need that pacakge, the instructsions are wrong |
| 14:12.32 | FR33L4NC3 | I?m completely learning to work with Linux atm |
| 14:12.50 | FR33L4NC3 | BTW NSLU has a ARM processor |
| 14:12.56 | stew | yes, i know |
| 14:13.22 | stew | judd: versions finch --arch arm |
| 14:13.25 | judd | stew: finch: 2.4.3-3~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.4.3-3 (lenny) 2.4.3-4 (sid) 2.5.0-1 (experimental) |
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| 14:13.38 | stew | FR33L4NC3: bpo has version 2.4.3-3~bpo40+1 for arm for etch |
| 14:14.18 | stew | FR33L4NC3: if you really want to compile it yourself for some reason: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:14.56 | FR33L4NC3 | what is BPO...= |
| 14:14.57 | FR33L4NC3 | ? |
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| 14:15.12 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.12 | stew | FR33L4NC3: the bot named dpkg should have sent you a message expaining about bpo |
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| 14:16.21 | Zmanu | hello |
| 14:16.33 | FR33L4NC3 | I've seen it thnx |
| 14:16.41 | Zmanu | is there a doc to install and configure open-ldap under etch ? |
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| 14:17.42 | FR33L4NC3 | 'apt-get -t etch-backports install finch' should work when updated the sourcelist? |
| 14:18.27 | FR33L4NC3 | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 14:18.52 | stew | FR33L4NC3: read the instructions page at backports.org if you want to verify those signatures and get rid of that warning |
| 14:18.54 | themill | FR33L4NC3: keep reading the instructions |
| 14:19.38 | FR33L4NC3 | :) |
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| 14:23.16 | FR33L4NC3 | Thanx for help... but I might as well use Gaim... :( |
| 14:23.36 | FR33L4NC3 | exactly the same... |
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| 14:25.50 | acid | hi i have a fresh install of 64bit debian 4, when i try to run module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src i get this error /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:2544: error: implicit declaration â of function âptep_test_and_clear_dirtyâ |
| 14:26.04 | acid | it seems like i need to recompile kernel, but that is not mentioned in howto |
| 14:26.13 | acid | or module i mean |
| 14:27.13 | themill | acid: what kernel? |
| 14:28.13 | acid | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 14:28.39 | acid | i have been working on this video driver for 2 days hehe |
| 14:28.41 | themill | acid: you need the fglrx packages from backports.org then |
| 14:28.53 | FR33L4NC3 | stew: How can I find out what kernel I'm running? |
| 14:29.09 | themill | FR33L4NC3: uname -r |
| 14:29.13 | acid | themill: do i need to remove what i have already done? |
| 14:29.32 | FR33L4NC3 | :) |
| 14:29.46 | acid | or should i be alright? |
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| 14:30.37 | themill | acid: as long as you upgrade each of those packages to a newer version from backports.org, you'll be OK. In particular, make sure you install the newer fglrx-kernel-source package |
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| 14:32.19 | acid | so if i was to grab everything here i should be ok? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fg&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 14:33.52 | themill | acid: aptitude install -t etch-backports fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx |
| 14:33.59 | cr3rzemjest | can you start x again after killing it, using scripts in init.d (not startx)... i mean start everything over again .xsession .Xdefaults ad everything, as during normal boot |
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| 14:34.43 | cr3rzemjest | ? |
| 14:35.02 | acid | sorry, my second day using debian. |
| 14:35.15 | acid | i come from gentoo, so very diff :] |
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| 14:38.00 | acid | im getting that same error |
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| 14:39.01 | themill | acid: check that you've got the right version of the kernel module source with "apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-src" |
| 14:39.01 | FR33L4NC3 | this channel is called '#debian' wright? |
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| 14:41.38 | themill | judd: versions fglrx-kernel-src --arch amd64 |
| 14:41.39 | judd | themill: fglrx-kernel-src: 8.28.8-4 (etch/non-free) 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/non-free) 1:8-7-2 (lenny/non-free) 1:8-7-2 (sid/non-free) |
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| 14:41.54 | themill | acid: where did that version come from? that's not in any debian release. |
| 14:42.12 | acid | hmm, i went by this howto i found |
| 14:42.31 | acid | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 14:42.51 | acid | didnt work, thats why i was asking if i should just start over again? |
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| 14:44.06 | sandman | If I do a mastered burn to a DVD-RW, will that be under iso9660 filesystem? I ask because I'm debating as to whether I ought to switch to UDF or not |
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| 14:44.25 | sandman | Apparently, UDF filesystem has intrinsic defect management, metadata checksum/redundancy, etc |
| 14:44.35 | sandman | ISO9660, I'm guessing, doesn't have that? |
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| 14:44.42 | acid | so if i was to just reinstall from scratch and after i run apt-update i run aptitude install -t etch-backports fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx |
| 14:44.46 | acid | that should work? |
| 14:44.48 | sandman | I'm having a hard time deciding because my experience with UDF under windows has been absolutely horrid |
| 14:45.37 | sandman | acid: You'd hafta add the eth-backports deb lines to sources.list, or add a file for it under sources.list.d |
| 14:45.56 | sandman | acid: Beyond that, I think that ought to work. |
| 14:45.58 | acid | yea i have them all backed up. i have had to reinstall a few times now |
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| 14:48.57 | acid | sandman: is this ok? http://rafb.net/p/bk0ymY10.html |
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| 14:49.12 | acid | is that how i should have the backports deb |
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| 14:50.40 | acid | nope not right |
| 14:50.50 | jelly | lastlog cr3 |
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| 14:51.35 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: yes, restart kdm/xdm/gdm/whatever |
| 14:52.18 | acid | so.. deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 14:54.42 | themill | acid: sorry, afk. Yes, that's the right line for bpo. Also read their instructions about pinning and keys. |
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| 14:54.47 | acid | sandman: i keep getting error The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C, when i try to add deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list |
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| 14:54.54 | acid | oh ok |
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| 14:57.33 | rebel_kid | i have to put ssh on an odd port but when i try and ssh user@<ip>:2222 it says name or service not known, is it not possible to ssh on a port other than 22? |
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| 14:57.53 | Eulex | rebel_kid, it is, you use -p 2222 |
| 14:57.55 | avu | rebel_kid, it is, you're just doing it wrong |
| 14:58.17 | voltage` | what would his syntax be? |
| 14:58.19 | acid | ok all good |
| 14:58.31 | voltage` | ssh 192.168.1.1 -p 2222? |
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| 14:59.00 | avu | I'd just add the host to my .ssh/config with the right port |
| 14:59.04 | flourish_ | hello everyone. which command i can execute to popup a dialog to choose which sources you will use just as when installing debian |
| 14:59.07 | avu | so I can continue to just write ssh alias |
| 14:59.29 | acid | ok so themill: let me confirm one more time. I will reinstall system & update then...aptitude install -t etch-backports fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx |
| 15:00.01 | themill | acid: you shouldn't need to reinstall the system. |
| 15:00.13 | acid | i downloaded all that other stuff off of that howto |
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| 15:00.25 | cr3rzemjest | when you give a script suid rights, and then put it on e.g. FTP, and someone downloads it, it still has SUID right and can be executed as root? |
| 15:00.28 | acid | did u see the howto i was working off of? |
| 15:00.30 | themill | acid: yeah, shouldn't be too much of a problem though. |
| 15:00.41 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: you cant give a script suid rights |
| 15:02.09 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, how so? |
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| 15:03.08 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: you just cant, it may be for historical reasons now, but thems the brakes |
| 15:03.49 | E-bola | Do anybody know how fakeraid works? I have an ICH7 based motherboard, where i would like to use the onboard raid instaid of software raid. Is this possible with debian? |
| 15:04.08 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, sorry i don't understand. chmod +s, i've just done it... |
| 15:04.23 | acid | themill: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-glx-ia32_8.47.3-3~bpo40+1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:04.23 | acid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.38 | stew | E-bola: with fakeraid, there is no onboard raid, there is only software raid. that is the fake part |
| 15:04.39 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: i think you'll find you havent |
| 15:05.03 | themill | acid: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:05.57 | E-bola | stew: So is there no way to make debian "see" the bios enabled raid set on these onboard controllers? |
| 15:06.17 | acid | themill: sorry http://rafb.net/p/yXf8fz85.html |
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| 15:06.24 | stew | E-bola: have a lookat dmraid |
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| 15:06.55 | E-bola | stew: is that supported in the debian installer? |
| 15:07.02 | stew | E-bola: i don't know |
| 15:07.15 | keith4 | why is setting up lmesensors such a roll of the dice? |
| 15:07.34 | keith4 | what is the *proper* debian way to do it? |
| 15:07.36 | themill | acid: urgh. |
| 15:07.54 | flourish_ | I have already STFW, but can not find the answer, can someone help me? |
| 15:08.07 | flourish_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.27 | acid | themill: is it still trying to use old version? |
| 15:08.38 | acid | i added backports to sources.list |
| 15:08.45 | keith4 | flourish_: pretty sure that functionality is unique to the installer |
| 15:09.12 | themill | acid: the packages that you made as part of that howto are a little problematic here |
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| 15:09.32 | acid | yea.. why i was going to reinstalll |
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| 15:10.58 | flourish_ | keith4: you mean i can just add sources list by editing sources.list file? |
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| 15:11.06 | keith4 | yes |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | !tell flourish_ about sources.list |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | !tell flourish_ about mirrors |
| 15:11.44 | themill | acid: "dpkg -l \*fglrx\*" and uninstall all the packages it lists using dpkg -r. |
| 15:12.15 | flourish_ | thanks |
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| 15:14.53 | et | dpkg: error processing autogen (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | et: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 15:14.56 | et | Errors were encountered while processing: autogen |
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| 15:15.27 | et | what do you do when a pre-removal-script fails? |
| 15:15.45 | idimmu | panic |
| 15:16.06 | et | "install-info: No dir file specified; try --help for more information." is what i get before that |
| 15:16.13 | abrotman | et: there's an error farther above |
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| 15:16.59 | et | the one with install-info is the only one |
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| 15:17.33 | abrotman | et: check the BTS on that package |
| 15:18.10 | E-bola | stew: just fyi, i found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid which outlines how to install debian using dmraid, and it apears to be working, the installation is running now |
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| 15:22.04 | yareckon | hi guys, has anyone released a defense against the sockstress DOS? |
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| 15:22.20 | yareckon | lots of hand-waving... very little info out there |
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| 15:27.24 | acid | themill: still here? |
| 15:27.50 | atomiku-work | Is smtp.googlemail.com buggered? |
| 15:27.58 | atomiku-work | (unrelated question here) |
| 15:28.11 | atomiku-work | I can't seem to send mail out with thunderbird |
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| 15:29.03 | abrotman | atomiku-work: ask #google ? |
| 15:29.06 | atomiku-work | D:! |
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| 15:30.00 | jelly | unrelated question: what does "D:!" mean? |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | jelly: i'd translate, but we don't like namecalling here :) |
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| 15:31.56 | _Sam-- | what program would look for malicious connections (like too many connections to port 80) and then automatically create firewall rules against the hosts? |
| 15:31.58 | idimmu | it means i love you, thanks for the help, if theres anything youd like me to do in return please dont be afraid to ask |
| 15:31.59 | _Sam-- | snort? |
| 15:32.12 | jelly | _Sam--: fail2ban ? |
| 15:32.25 | _Sam-- | hmm forgot about that one...use it for brute force ssh etc. |
| 15:32.49 | jelly | or an application specific firewall/IDS solution, like mod-security for apache2 |
| 15:33.42 | _Sam-- | im asking, because of the sockstress question from yareckon....couldnt simple iptables rules that limit simultaneous conenctions on your port 80 to like 50 or 100 block that attack? |
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| 15:36.14 | dudeman | good god I just updated last night |
| 15:36.16 | dudeman | wtf |
| 15:36.24 | dudeman | good morning gang, btw |
| 15:36.51 | dudeman | installing kde 4.1.x on my other lenny box0r |
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| 15:37.17 | dudeman | fantastic, buggo supremo! kde4-core lib something has a bug, no qt4 apps will start |
| 15:37.26 | dudeman | grave bug! wtf just my luck! |
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| 15:37.54 | dudeman | ahhhhh boy |
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| 15:38.36 | dudeman | anyway, I am looking for a code editor with a certain functionality and I can't seem to find it anywhere, and I'm not sure where to ask so here goes |
| 15:39.27 | dudeman | you know in nested code you have () {} [] "", '', etc etc. well when you click on that brace it hilights it, but I'd like the entire code block to be hilighted inside the [] whatever |
| 15:39.42 | dudeman | so that its easy to spot nested code and work on that block, easier on the eyes |
| 15:39.55 | dudeman | I can't find any editor with that kinda functionality can anyone please advise |
| 15:39.59 | dudeman | am I lagging? |
| 15:40.00 | dudeman | !ping |
| 15:40.01 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:41.50 | asulao | dudeman: only editor that I've seen with that is Xcode, but it's macos propietary. it would be nice feature for eclipse/cdt. |
| 15:42.07 | dudeman | :( |
| 15:42.12 | abrotman | thinks that might be a record for someone talking to themself |
| 15:42.15 | dudeman | kde4's KATE has this functioality I'm told |
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| 15:42.50 | dudeman | abrotman, if you think this is a record you aint seen nothin' yet |
| 15:42.55 | avu | should be easy enough to write for emacs and vim, too |
| 15:42.58 | asulao | don't like kde |
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| 15:43.22 | abrotman | tell dudeman about enter |
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| 15:44.00 | dudeman | I'm gonna kick you in the nuts if you don't stop |
| 15:44.02 | dudeman | :/ |
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| 15:44.17 | dudeman | asulao, I wonder if emacs can be programmed to do this |
| 15:44.25 | dudeman | more than likely it should, let me ask #emacs |
| 15:44.29 | [agatha] | i need a hand... i have problems with the wireless |
| 15:44.42 | [agatha] | i have installed the drivers and so on so on but when i rebooted, it all disappeard |
| 15:44.45 | [agatha] | *disappeared |
| 15:44.46 | chaim | hi |
| 15:44.55 | [agatha] | and now, again, its displaying, no network devices found |
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| 15:45.05 | dudeman | drinks his milk |
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| 15:45.14 | dudeman | chaim, hi |
| 15:45.16 | chaim | my internet surfing becomes slow sometimes, while on other accounts it stay fast |
| 15:45.20 | dudeman | [agatha], did you load the drivers into /etc/modules? |
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| 15:45.25 | chaim | hi dudeman |
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| 15:45.41 | [agatha] | hmmm |
| 15:45.41 | dudeman | chaim, you sure its not percieved, have you run any tests? |
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| 15:45.46 | [agatha] | i dont remember to do that |
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| 15:46.03 | dudeman | [agatha], if you modprobe something and you don't put into /etc/modules or load it on start up, it will not load up |
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| 15:46.19 | dudeman | [agatha], im sure if you modprobe your driver modules now it will work, but on reboot it will go away |
| 15:46.26 | dudeman | I'm no wireless expert, but that to me makes sense |
| 15:46.28 | dudeman | check that |
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| 15:46.46 | chaim | well dudeman , I load a site, in epiphany , and then it become so slow that for a minute or so, if i move anything over the epiphany window i get trails (no repaints) |
| 15:46.48 | [agatha] | im no expert on anything i just installed this a few hours ago but let me try that |
| 15:46.58 | dudeman | [agatha], which wifi btw? |
| 15:47.04 | dudeman | [agatha], nic |
| 15:47.07 | [agatha] | its an intel 3495 |
| 15:47.20 | jelly | !iwl3945 |
| 15:47.21 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:47.45 | [agatha] | i already installed that but modprobe isnt working either |
| 15:47.47 | chomwitt | hi. trying in boot time to run the win32-loader i get a 'GRUB no module name found' |
| 15:47.54 | dudeman | !iwl2wifi |
| 15:47.57 | dudeman | doh |
| 15:48.05 | dudeman | iwl3945 <reply> see iwlwifi |
| 15:48.06 | dudeman | wtf |
| 15:48.07 | [agatha] | its says the device is enabled tho |
| 15:48.26 | jelly | [agatha]: how does it fail? what happens in dmesg? |
| 15:48.33 | marvil07 | hi all |
| 15:49.02 | abrotman | dudeman: did you threaten me again? |
| 15:49.05 | [agatha] | jelly, it just says no network device found but in the network manager says its enabled |
| 15:49.09 | [agatha] | moment i will check dmesg |
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| 15:49.23 | woden1 | When I try to add .wmv files to Rhythmbox they do not show up in the list of my Music. Is this a known issue? |
| 15:49.24 | dudeman | abrotman, no. |
| 15:49.32 | dudeman | are you crack? |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | whatever you say .. |
| 15:49.54 | dudeman | put down the pipe dude. |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | sure looked like a threat to me |
| 15:50.17 | [agatha] | do you need all dmesg output jelly ? |
| 15:50.19 | dudeman | stop smoking that crack maybe it might seem like a joke to you |
| 15:50.29 | marvil07 | I've installed viewvc, created a virtual host, and configured viewvc.conf, but the links generated by viewvc are wrong |
| 15:50.30 | marvil07 | for example: my repo is /somepath/repos/main and I have urls like http://main/ |
| 15:50.37 | jelly | [agatha]: only the stuff that happens after the failed modprobe |
| 15:50.48 | [agatha] | hmmm i wouldnt know how to get both |
| 15:50.51 | [agatha] | sorry i am a duck |
| 15:51.15 | jelly | [agatha]: quack. quack quack Quack, QUACK, then quack quack, |
| 15:51.20 | jelly | use a pastebin |
| 15:51.47 | jelly | s/quack/quack/ |
| 15:51.57 | dudeman | dude |
| 15:52.09 | dudeman | are people smoking shit I'm not aware of? |
| 15:52.11 | dudeman | whats goin on |
| 15:52.19 | jelly | dudeman: quack! |
| 15:52.22 | dudeman | ! |
| 15:52.35 | dudeman | jelly, im gonna kick you in da nuts if ya don't stop |
| 15:52.38 | jelly | [agatha]: dmesg|tail -50 should suffice |
| 15:52.42 | dudeman | ;) |
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| 15:52.56 | jelly | dudeman: I wasn't talking to you, but to the duck |
| 15:53.06 | dudeman | jelly, and I wasn't threatening you either. |
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| 15:53.09 | dudeman | =D |
| 15:53.22 | jelly | I know, you're a bit too far for that |
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| 15:53.27 | dudeman | *sigh* some people... |
| 15:53.28 | [agatha] | the duck has feelings :( |
| 15:53.35 | [agatha] | i feel stupid enough :p |
| 15:53.36 | dudeman | jelly, indeed :) anyway I gotta go back to bed, I'm tired |
| 15:53.49 | themill | [agatha]: we've already established that you've got the driver loaded properly. It's just a config thing. |
| 15:53.51 | jelly | [agatha]: he's too poor to hire someone to do it, I'm not afraid. |
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| 15:54.19 | abrotman | dudeman: stop threatening people |
| 15:54.29 | [agatha] | oh themill you're here too :D how nice |
| 15:55.11 | [agatha] | ok guys here is the thing you asked,,http://rafb.net/p/KHBRea39.html |
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| 15:55.25 | chaim | I see that these sites leave defunct pluginserver.ex |
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| 15:55.31 | [agatha] | that dmesg thing jelly |
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| 15:56.46 | rstandy | hi, i'm using Debian testing. Can someone please tell me where does the /usr/bin/ftp is gone? |
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| 15:57.00 | abrotman | !tell rstandy about search |
| 15:57.04 | rstandy | i can't find it through packages.debian.org |
| 15:57.05 | abrotman | !find bin/ftp lenny |
| 15:57.20 | jelly | [agatha]: lines 24-31 show the driver being initialized |
| 15:57.34 | jelly | [agatha]: so now you have to configure it, I guess |
| 15:57.46 | rahsputin | hi. I have a card-reader-writer( siemens-nixdorf ifc B1 V4.0)-( like atm-cards ... ) its hooked to a serial-port... does debian have any App. and Drivers for this Device ? |
| 15:58.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ftp' (9 of 18): (/usr/bin/ftppass) in utils/avfs ;; (/usr/bin/ftpgrab) in net/ftpgrab ;; (/usr/bin/ftp-ssl) in net/ftp-ssl ;; (/usr/bin/ftpput) in misc/camstream ;; (/usr/sbin/ftpwatch) in net/ftpwatch ;; (/usr/sbin/ftprestart) in net/wu-ftpd ;; (/usr/sbin/ftpmirror) in net/ftpmirror ;; (/usr/sbin/ftp-proxy) in net/ftp-proxy ;; (/usr/bin/ftp-upload) in net/ftp-upload. |
| 15:58.29 | [agatha] | problem is that i wouldnt know where to start... i scanned for networks with iwlist wlan0 scan as themill taught me before and there it is my wireless |
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| 15:58.45 | [agatha] | but now, i have no idea of how make the knetworkconf thing work and i am starting to be desperate |
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| 15:59.45 | zarlino | hi all, what is the best to install vlc 0.9.x on etch? |
| 16:00.07 | [agatha] | im gonna switch to gnome |
| 16:00.08 | stew | rstandy: /usr/bin/ftp is managed by the alternatives system. you are probably looking for the 'ftp' package, you might need to run "update-alternatives --config ftp" |
| 16:00.08 | zarlino | i mean...the best way |
| 16:00.08 | MacGyverNL | How do I keep vi installed, but make vi symlink to vim anyway? |
| 16:00.10 | [agatha] | maybe that'll go better |
| 16:00.20 | stew | MacGyverNL: update-alternatives --config vi |
| 16:01.03 | jelly | when in trouble, change the DE |
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| 16:01.42 | sveajobb | Hi, I'm running lenny with 2.6.24-1-amd64 SMP. I'm getting a constant load of 1.0 even though nothing is running and no crazy runaway threads showing up in top or nothing. any ideas ? |
| 16:02.04 | stew | sveajobb: do you have processes in the D state? |
| 16:02.09 | jpinx | anyone know of a virtual keyboard application in a Debian package? I need western alphabet and mandarin |
| 16:02.12 | MacGyverNL | "There is only 1 program which provides vi (/usr/bin/vim.tiny). Nothing to configure." |
| 16:02.23 | MacGyverNL | Okay, so I don't even have vi installed. |
| 16:02.39 | stew | MacGyverNL: then /usr/bin/vi should already be pointing to vim. nvi is the 'vi' package you are probably looking for |
| 16:02.44 | rstandy | stew: thanks, I tried with "update-alternatives --config ftp", but it says that there is only one program which support ftp, /usr/bin/netkit-ftp and doesn't configure anything |
| 16:02.47 | sveajobb | stew, hm, I'm afraid I don't quite understand that question :\ |
| 16:03.00 | stew | rstandy: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/ftp" return? |
| 16:03.23 | MacGyverNL | /usr/bin/vi is pointing to /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 16:03.23 | sveajobb | stew, ps aux returns STAT D< for kjournald and md0_resync |
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| 16:03.34 | stew | sveajobb: the D state is "uninterruptable sleep" and a process in this state would contribute to the load without using any cpu (and therefore not showup as a busy process in top) |
| 16:03.34 | MacGyverNL | I can just symlink it to /usr/bin/vim then? |
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| 16:03.51 | MacGyverNL | (Which in turn is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vim) |
| 16:03.52 | rstandy | stew: /usr/bin/ftp |
| 16:03.53 | rstandy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.54 | stew | sveajobb: then your load is at 1 probably becuase the md0_resync is running |
| 16:04.15 | Lagbolt | MacGyverNL, why symlink, just use alias if you want a quick easy solution |
| 16:04.26 | stew | rstandy: what does "file /usr/bin/ftp" return? |
| 16:04.28 | sveajobb | stew, I see, well that would probably be because I just ran the mdadm --create I guess (1 hour ago) |
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| 16:04.47 | MacGyverNL | Lagbolt: Because until you just said it, I didn't know about aliases. |
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| 16:05.02 | stew | MacGyverNL: it should already be that way. are you sure you ran "readlink -f /usr/bin/vi" and not "readlink /usr/bin/vi" ? |
| 16:05.07 | rstandy | stew: bash: /usr/bin/ftp: No such file or directory |
| 16:05.13 | rstandy | stew: I'm puzzled |
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| 16:05.16 | Jemt | Hi all. I'm experiencing a problem with Debian installed onto a USB Stick (Kingston DataTraveler 4GB). It boots fine on most computers, but not on Acer laptops and a few Asus laptops. I recieve the following error (boot): "kinit: trying to resume from /dev/hda3. attempting manual resume. attempt to access beyond end of device. hda3: rw=16, want=8, limit=2. I/O error reading swsusp image". The computer on which I boot the USB Stick does not have |
| 16:05.16 | Jemt | a hda3 partition, however, the computer from which I installed Debian onto the USB Stick, does have a hda3 partition - maybe I need to change a configuration file, containing references to the hda3 partition (?). Can someone tell me how to solve this problem, so I can boot the device on Acer and Asus laptops? |
| 16:05.29 | stew | rstandy: "ln -s /etc/alternatives/ftp /usr/bin/ftp" |
| 16:05.42 | Lagbolt | MacGyverNL, ah that is a good point :) aliases are nice for such things |
| 16:06.17 | stew | rstandy: that symlink must have gotten deleted somehwere along the way |
| 16:06.34 | rstandy | stew: oh great, that works. Many thanks stew :-) |
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| 16:07.23 | rstandy | stew: works like a charm now :-) |
| 16:07.29 | jpinx | Jemt: Acers are a pain in my experience |
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| 16:08.17 | Jemt | Well, I performed an ordinary installation on one of the Acer laptops, and it worked fine. The problem is on the Stick I believe |
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| 16:08.41 | woden1 | I'm looking for instructions on getting gst-lame encoder installed on my Debian Lenny system. Where can I go to get more info? |
| 16:09.45 | jpinx | Jemt: I am not expert enough to help your specific problem, but generally I have found Acers to be "difficult" for various reasons, but I recently bought an asus mini laptop with linux pre-installed and it works like a charm |
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| 16:10.23 | jpinx | even if the keyboard is miniscule and you need binoculars to see the screen :) |
| 16:10.31 | Jemt | jpinx: Okay, thanks for your input anyways :) |
| 16:10.34 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
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| 16:12.21 | jpinx | hunts around for some way to get a mandarin keyboard "overlay" of some kind |
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| 16:14.05 | oklinux | in my printer folder i have 4 printer in there how do I delete the printer and keep just one it wont let me delete it ? |
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| 16:17.23 | gonzaloaf | hi, a nice ide for phyton? |
| 16:17.32 | EgS | emacs? |
| 16:17.47 | idimmu | eclipse |
| 16:17.50 | idimmu | visual studio |
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| 16:18.03 | gonzaloaf | I want to design the gui |
| 16:18.04 | idimmu | anjuta |
| 16:18.06 | gonzaloaf | just gui |
| 16:18.10 | gonzaloaf | no source |
| 16:18.20 | idimmu | what api does the gui use? |
| 16:18.39 | idimmu | if gtk, then glade |
| 16:18.44 | gonzaloaf | idimmu, I think gtk? wxpython uses gtk_ |
| 16:18.45 | gonzaloaf | ? |
| 16:19.04 | idimmu | wxpython might wrap gtk maybe |
| 16:19.15 | idimmu | dunno if it will play with glade nicely though |
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| 16:19.41 | SOG | Man, I wanted to ask a question, but then I Forgot ;o |
| 16:19.46 | idimmu | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7421 |
| 16:19.53 | idimmu | gonzaloaf ^^ seems relevent |
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| 16:20.41 | woden1 | Is gstreamer0.10-lame in Lenny main? |
| 16:21.36 | chaim_ | is there a plugin that can handle this: |
| 16:21.43 | chaim_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.43 | chaim_ | No URI handler implemented for "mms". |
| 16:21.49 | chaim_ | is there? |
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| 16:26.04 | steven_ | hi |
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| 16:26.25 | steven_ | anyone know of FTP server in debian that allows you to specify a script to perform custom authentication ? |
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| 16:27.02 | dudeman | hi |
| 16:27.11 | dudeman | steven_, what do you mean custom auth? |
| 16:27.16 | rahsputin | hi. I have a card-reader-writer( siemens-nixdorf ifc B1 V4.0)-( like atm-cards ... ) its hooked to a serial-port... does debian have any App. and Drivers for this Device ? |
| 16:27.16 | dudeman | steven_, you mean like virtual users? |
| 16:27.35 | steven_ | dudeman: yes kind of |
| 16:27.46 | oklinux | hey dudeman |
| 16:27.53 | steven_ | dudeman: esentialy i want to pass authentication over to a script |
| 16:27.56 | oklinux | in my printer folder i have 4 printer in there how do I delete the printer and keep just one it wont let me delete it ? |
| 16:27.57 | dudeman | steven_, vsftpd has it, so does proftpd |
| 16:28.02 | dudeman | steven_, no idea about that |
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| 16:28.11 | steven_ | dudeman: really ? |
| 16:28.18 | dudeman | yes afaik |
| 16:28.27 | steven_ | dudeman: ill check again already read the docs for vsftpd must have missed it :) |
| 16:28.32 | dudeman | virtual user support, sure, as for passing auth over to a script, no idea about that |
| 16:28.48 | dudeman | steven_, its not trivial to use it with vsftpd but its possible |
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| 16:29.10 | steven_ | dudeman: ah yup but i need a script cause i have to auth agains our custom data thats stored in a db |
| 16:29.17 | dudeman | http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
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| 16:29.54 | steven_ | we weren't smart enough to use ldap and have a lot of 'legacy' accounts :) |
| 16:30.51 | dudeman | Set "guest_enable=YES" in /etc/vsftpd.conf. This |
| 16:30.52 | dudeman | has the effect of mapping every non-anonymous successful login to the local |
| 16:30.52 | dudeman | username specified in "guest_username". Then, use PAM and (e.g.) its pam_userdb |
| 16:30.52 | dudeman | module to provide authentication against an external (i.e. non-/etc/passwd) |
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| 16:31.06 | dudeman | anyway, thats possible |
| 16:31.13 | Yackem | how do i change the hostname within gnome? |
| 16:31.14 | stew | steven_: have you looked at proftpd-mod-mysql or pure-ftpd-mysql? |
| 16:31.40 | stew | Yackem: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 16:31.40 | dudeman | Yackem, just open a terminal and type hostname blah or edit /etc/hostname |
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| 16:32.38 | steven_ | stew nope, but our data is stored dodgly uses uncommon hash i figured they would expect a certain format |
| 16:32.47 | steven_ | stew: will look into it though thanks |
| 16:33.01 | stew | steven_: i think they should be adaptable to most schemas |
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| 16:35.11 | acidfreeze | hi i am running the 64bit version of debian. where can i find a good howto on installing 32bit browser or whatever i need to do to get flash working |
| 16:35.13 | oklinux | dudeman, can you help me |
| 16:35.30 | stew | acidfreeze: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:36.21 | stew | acidfreeze: i mean, is it etch aka stable? lenny? |
| 16:36.24 | _stack | hi, when I try to install a package it say that the package is obsolete but is nameb by another package, how do I see wich one is??I'm triyng to install xlibs-dev |
| 16:36.32 | oklinux | stew in my printer folder i have 4 printer in there how do I delete the printer and keep just one it wont let me delete it ? |
| 16:36.34 | _stack | (in lenny) |
| 16:36.59 | stew | oklinux: i don't know |
| 16:37.04 | meyou | apt-cache search xlibs-dev |
| 16:37.26 | meyou | err |
| 16:37.35 | _stack | meyou: It returns nothing :) |
| 16:37.36 | meyou | try apt-get install xlibs-static-dev ? |
| 16:37.40 | meyou | yeah just noticed |
| 16:37.42 | _stack | mhh |
| 16:37.46 | _stack | let me see... |
| 16:38.32 | deface | trying to install mailscanner, but it is not installing the conf files |
| 16:38.40 | deface | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/MailScanner/reports/ca/rejection.report.txt |
| 16:38.52 | stew | deface: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:38.55 | deface | how do i force it to add the files ? |
| 16:39.03 | deface | ty |
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| 16:40.30 | steven_ | ah ha pure-ftpd allows custom auth modules to be written as basic scripts :) |
| 16:40.51 | steven_ | i would rather use vsftpd but if pureftpd has the feature :( |
| 16:41.43 | deface | stew: hmm, it still wont replace them |
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| 16:43.31 | maek | Sorry to be lame, I dont have web access right now. How do I tell if the firewall is running? iptables. |
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| 16:43.34 | deface | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mailscanner or aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mailscanner |
| 16:43.37 | deface | neither re-install conf files |
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| 16:44.14 | maek | I dont see /etc/init.d/iptables and im not very good at debian |
| 16:44.23 | deface | maek: iptables -L gives u the rules |
| 16:44.34 | meyou | ps aux|grep iptables |
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| 16:44.41 | maek | deface: thanks. |
| 16:44.59 | maek | meyou: if its not there what would be the logical place to look to start it. I see nothing in /etc/init.d |
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| 16:45.33 | stew | deface: its probably not a conffile then, you might have to look to see if the package installs a copy of that configfile somewhere else. try "dpkg -L mailscanner" or look at what the postinst script is doing in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailscanner.postinst |
| 16:46.04 | meyou | hmm |
| 16:46.08 | meyou | i gave bad advice |
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| 16:46.14 | meyou | google says to run lsmod |
| 16:46.17 | meyou | and look for it there |
| 16:46.27 | maek | meyou: thanks |
| 16:46.29 | stew | maek: yes, /etc/init.d/iptables doens't work well, the recommended way is to setup your firewall the way you want, then use "iptables --save" to save a copy of your rules, then call "iptables --restore" from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 16:46.43 | stew | meyou: you are missing the point of his question |
| 16:47.11 | deface | meyou: maek - lsmod will only show you the iptables module assuming it was built as one, and not built into the kernel |
| 16:47.47 | maek | stew: thank you much. I guess the rules didnt get saved |
| 16:47.48 | meyou | listen to them^^ |
| 16:47.49 | meyou | :p |
| 16:47.53 | maek | thanks #debian |
| 16:48.06 | oklinux | in my printer cups folder i have 4 printer in there how do I delete the printer and keep just one it wont let me delete it ? |
| 16:48.26 | n3kl | oklinux: http://localhost:631 |
| 16:48.29 | deface | -^ |
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| 16:48.34 | stew | maek: no, there is nothing that would save them for you, you have to save them and restore them yourself |
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| 16:49.14 | deface | maek: you could code an init script which would save & restore |
| 16:49.19 | n3kl | I just have an iptables script in /etc/init.d/firewall, and I just link /etc/rc2.d/S20/firewall to |
| 16:49.44 | maek | stew: yes, understood. another user had setup some forwarding but I guess didnt save the rules anywhere. we just had a power outage and fwding doesnt work after a reboot. |
| 16:50.22 | oklinux | n3kl, is not taking my user name and password . |
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| 16:50.30 | n3kl | oklinux: try root |
| 16:50.50 | JordiGH | Was the elisp reference manual never packaged for Debian? |
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| 16:50.54 | JordiGH | I could have sworn it was. |
| 16:51.06 | stew | n3kl: that's fine if you are fine with your network being up and some services being started for some time before your firewall is enabled |
| 16:51.37 | n3kl | stew: meh |
| 16:51.59 | n3kl | I only use a firewall on one machine anyway |
| 16:52.04 | n3kl | firewalls are overrated |
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| 16:52.14 | deface | stew: thanks .. looking at the file |
| 16:52.16 | deface | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.16 | deface | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/MailScanner/reports/pt_br/recipient.spam.report.txt |
| 16:52.32 | JordiGH | stew, you would know. You care about Emacs. Did we ever have the elisp manual packaged? |
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| 16:53.15 | oklinux | thanks n3kl |
| 16:53.32 | stew | JordiGH: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/elisp-manual.html |
| 16:53.48 | stew | judd: bug 438758 |
| 16:53.49 | kjs | If i wish to run a a cmd with cron for example: blah -f /home/monkey /var/log/monkey.log would i have to contain that in a bash script or can i just put it directly in crontab for the suer i wish to run it as? |
| 16:53.51 | JordiGH | Uh-oh, QA. |
| 16:53.52 | n3kl | oklinux: np, thats where you will do all cups related things |
| 16:54.00 | n3kl | oklinux: rather, thats where I do all cups related things |
| 16:54.21 | stew | !dbugs 438758 |
| 16:54.25 | dpkg | DONE:#438758:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: elisp-manual -- RoQA; RC-buggy; unmaintained (); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:39:01 UTC [] |
| 16:54.45 | JordiGH | Oh, just unmaintained by Debian, right? Not by upstream. |
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| 16:55.22 | oklinux | I just could not rememebr the website n3kl |
| 16:55.26 | stew | JordiGH: yes, probably maintained upstream, the bug was saying the debian package was in poor shape |
| 16:55.41 | JordiGH | Wow, that's... odd.. |
| 16:55.55 | JordiGH | Any way to find what the RC bugs in question were, now that the package is gone? |
| 16:55.57 | gothenburg | testing |
| 16:55.58 | n3kl | k |
| 16:56.09 | maek | sorry to bug, I have this for turning on ipfwrding /sbin/sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 : I think there is one more thing I have to do but im drawing a blank, any ideas? |
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| 16:56.34 | gothenburg | h |
| 16:57.54 | n3kl | where does iptables-save save the config to? |
| 16:58.15 | n3kl | oh, it doesn't |
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| 17:03.24 | SyL | can someone explain the difference between apt-ftparchive and dpkg-scanpackages? |
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| 17:04.31 | chomw | hi, booting from the win32 loader from goodbye-windows i get a GRUB , no module name found. what does that means? |
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| 17:08.38 | enouf | n3kl: wherever you do iptable -l > filename to ;-) |
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| 17:09.44 | enouf | chomw: sounds like grub2 - try grub legacy, (grub1, 0.97 or so) |
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| 17:11.10 | chomw | enouf: i'm little confused. i just downloaded a debian.exe file from goodbye-microsoft. |
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| 17:12.09 | enouf | chomw: i never had to use it, fortunately - poke around the site for info? |
| 17:12.23 | chomw | enouf: ok |
| 17:12.31 | fs_ | anyone here knows about debian coda support? |
| 17:12.52 | enouf | chomw: and what do you mean about "booting from the win32 loader"? |
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| 17:13.41 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody is flashplugin-nonfree avalible in lenny? |
| 17:13.41 | chomw | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) |
| 17:13.48 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about flash |
| 17:13.51 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about dmm |
| 17:14.04 | tuxcrafter | i can not find it in the contrib pool |
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| 17:14.50 | simonrvn | it's not in contrib... |
| 17:15.09 | enouf | chomw: oh - anyways - you might try #grub, i think the maintainer hangs there sometimes |
| 17:15.48 | piko | I have interesting problem, it seems that wammu can opps my 2.6.24-1 on unstable, I am not sure if this should be reported as it is unstable and my K700i is pretty old. Could anyone say? |
| 17:15.48 | chomw | enouf: that will help. thanks! |
| 17:15.59 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: can you enlight me why it is not in lenny? |
| 17:16.01 | piko | More precisely it can freeqe my laptop completely |
| 17:16.11 | piko | s/freeqe/freeze/ |
| 17:16.18 | enouf | fs_: hi, not even close to being coda related, but i saw you on OFTC.net talking about a 20TB RAID setup - been meaning to pass this along - something here might be useful http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/blog/0802feb.html#080217 |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: uhm .. i think that is linked from the wiki |
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| 17:16.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:16.40 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about adobe flash |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | link is there! |
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| 17:18.13 | oOarthurOo | I'm looking for a file syncronization program that will work on windows xp and debian. I've stumbled across unison, but it's no longer under development. |
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| 17:18.23 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: the wiki states how to install i dont need than i just would like to know hwy it is not in lenny |
| 17:18.25 | oOarthurOo | Hoping some people might have other ideas. |
| 17:18.31 | olspookishmagus | is there a gnome utility related to font management? |
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| 17:18.49 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about adobe flash |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: that bit from the bot has a link |
| 17:19.09 | abrotman | oOarthurOo: to synchronize what? |
| 17:19.19 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: i have the link :-p no need to sent it more then 0.5 times |
| 17:19.44 | oOarthurOo | I want to back up my documents folder to my flash drive with a single click. Or if I make changes while on the flash drive, than the newer version would propogate to my documents folder. |
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| 17:20.30 | oOarthurOo | On my local hard-disk. Unison does the task admirably, but I'm looking for a future proof solution for Lenny's lifecycle. |
| 17:20.32 | fs_ | enouf: no that was not me, the page is more raid related |
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| 17:21.17 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: thank you: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291 |
| 17:21.46 | enouf | fs_: you're right! - it isn't you :-P |
| 17:22.21 | fs_ | enouf: haha! |
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| 17:23.08 | enouf | fs_: anyway - i notified the real fs :-P thanks |
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| 17:23.44 | enouf | CODA is a led zeppelin album :-) |
| 17:23.57 | fs_ | enouf: you should buy yourself some glasses |
| 17:24.08 | fs_ | enouf: oh, really |
| 17:24.09 | oOarthurOo | Drop box looks like a really neat idea, but I don't like the fact that it's closed source. |
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| 17:24.18 | oOarthurOo | It's also only beta. |
| 17:24.50 | oOarthurOo | Plus, whose servers am I storing my information on? No thanks to that. |
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| 17:25.58 | enouf | fs_: well, usually, on irc, when your nick also has one single _ appended, it's usually an alias on one's usual id/nick, and occurs when the original is either already signed in/on and identified, or otherwise - but whatever - apologies about the mix up |
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| 17:26.34 | enouf | \o/ |
| 17:26.38 | someoneelse | enouf: better? |
| 17:26.40 | woden1 | how do I make it so that Rhythmbox reencodes wmv to mp3 when I add it to my ipod? |
| 17:26.44 | enouf | !welcome someoneelse |
| 17:26.48 | enouf | bah |
| 17:26.49 | someoneelse | hi enouf |
| 17:26.49 | balzar | i am having a problem installing "lame" on debian etch. i have updated source.list according to www.debian-multimedia.org but apt-get says "Package lame has no installation candidate" |
| 17:27.02 | enouf | !greet someoneelse |
| 17:27.02 | someoneelse | enouf: nice to meet you |
| 17:27.04 | dpkg | Tag, someoneelse |
| 17:27.08 | enouf | omg |
| 17:27.15 | \amethyst | balzar: have you done apt-get update ? |
| 17:27.23 | someoneelse | !tatoo enouf |
| 17:27.26 | enouf | !shoot me |
| 17:27.28 | dpkg | blows enouf away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 17:27.31 | balzar | amethyst: yes |
| 17:27.40 | someoneelse | ouch :) |
| 17:27.54 | someoneelse | !shoot me |
| 17:27.57 | dpkg | blows someoneelse away with a wand of fireballs |
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| 17:28.14 | NTU | too many Neos in this room. |
| 17:28.23 | tuxcrafter | somebody here that know how to use alsa without internal audio card but with bluetooth audio module or usb headsets? |
| 17:28.24 | NTU | btw, its me Neo_The_User |
| 17:28.38 | tuxcrafter | alsa fails to start here without internal audio cards |
| 17:28.45 | enouf | balzar: you did something wrong then |
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| 17:30.00 | enouf | balzar: are you sure you edited /etc/apt/sources.list ? and not some other file? |
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| 17:30.28 | balzar | amethyst: 100% |
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| 17:32.06 | Laser | debian ftw! |
| 17:32.18 | olspookishmagus | what I've found is gnome-font-sampler |
| 17:32.26 | enouf | balzar: pastebin your sources.list and output of apt-get update && apt-get -s install lame - what arch are you using? |
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| 17:33.02 | balzar | enouf: ok! |
| 17:33.26 | enouf | balzar: 1st tell me your arch ;-) |
| 17:33.55 | steampunkey | Hey people I have a problem. When I'm in GUI mode, keyboard fails on me (cannot type) after a while. But untill I enter GNOME, it works fine. I'm writing this from the shell (it's nasty). I'd appreciate any help.Thanks. |
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| 17:34.32 | jamon | shells can be beautiful too! |
| 17:34.34 | enouf | steampunkey: GUI mode? explain more please - also - what exactly is wrong? |
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| 17:35.25 | balzar | enouf: i386 |
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| 17:35.59 | steampunkey | GNOME. I log in normally, but when I start epiphany (that's what I tried to do few times) and start writing, keyboard seems unresponsive. Can't Ctrl Alt F1 or nothing. And I end up restarting manually. |
| 17:36.01 | enouf | steampunkey: do you mean the keyboard doesn't work at all? no keypresses work? and what is GUI mode? i mean, GNOME is a DE that runs on top of X, is X loaded and running? |
| 17:36.19 | enouf | ouch |
| 17:36.28 | abrotman | try another WM |
| 17:36.55 | NinjaMan | enouf: which Window Manager are you using with GNOME? Metacity? |
| 17:37.04 | JordiGH | steampunkey: When you say "shell", you mean a tty? |
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| 17:37.12 | enouf | NinjaMan: i don;t use Gnome, nor metacity |
| 17:37.16 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.22 | JordiGH | steampunkey: I've had random freezes in lenny, and I thought it was Compiz to blame. |
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| 17:37.30 | enouf | but yes, i believe metacity is the default NinjaMan |
| 17:37.32 | JordiGH | steampunkey: Does the mouse work? If you're playing sound, does it freeze? |
| 17:37.51 | NinjaMan | enouf: LOL sorry, I meant to direct the question at steampinkey |
| 17:37.55 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.04 | enouf | NinjaMan: heh, no worries |
| 17:38.24 | olspookishmagus | steampunkey: you need to search this a bit, why your keys no longer working in console |
| 17:38.43 | olspookishmagus | there's a funny solution out there |
| 17:38.48 | oOarthurOo | Maybe I'm going about this wrong. My concern about using Unison was that security problems or major bugs wouldn't be fixed because it's no longer under active development, but I see that it has package is in Lenny and has an active Lenny maintainer. |
| 17:38.49 | olspookishmagus | what happened to gnome-font-manager? |
| 17:38.53 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: try blackbox/fluxbox as a WM to run GNOME on top of |
| 17:38.54 | oOarthurOo | I guess I shouldn't worry about it then. |
| 17:38.55 | steampunkey | Works in console. |
| 17:38.57 | abrotman | steampunkey: you konw .. they make console IRC clients ... |
| 17:39.00 | enouf | there are a few reasons why you would not be able to switch between X and Console |
| 17:39.08 | enouf | one is the Video Driver |
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| 17:39.25 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.26 | jamon | irssi /w silc, xmpp ftw! |
| 17:39.33 | enouf | another is certain modules loaded, that shouldn't be - and others are more vague to me |
| 17:39.51 | abrotman | steampunkey: lots of people like irssi |
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| 17:40.04 | gngkai | hi all |
| 17:40.08 | enouf | !tell steampunkey about screen+irssi |
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| 17:40.17 | balzar | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m62f8b4b4 |
| 17:40.18 | gngkai | I read controversial news about debian lenny release date |
| 17:40.40 | lunk | it's not done, so it's not out.... |
| 17:40.55 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.59 | abrotman | !tell gngkai about wwlr |
| 17:41.06 | gngkai | Originally scheduled for release in September, McIntyre said last month that he expected to release Lenny by the end of October and quashed speculation about further delays this week. |
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| 17:41.46 | Legality | hi |
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| 17:41.50 | Legality | small probs with imagemagick |
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| 17:41.51 | Legality | unable to open module file `/usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.3.3/modules-Q16/coders/jpeg.la': No such file or directory. |
| 17:41.56 | Legality | how can I install this module? |
| 17:42.11 | NinjaMan | enouf: is the person having problems switching between X and console, having a NVIDIA card or using framebuffer or running gpm? |
| 17:42.25 | gngkai | abrotman, there are a lot of news site reporting lenny will be released on 2009 |
| 17:42.26 | abrotman | !tell Legality about search |
| 17:42.38 | DevilChaos | hey folks |
| 17:42.40 | jamon | gngkai: and? |
| 17:42.42 | steampunkey | Ninja: |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | gngkai: so what? if that's when it is done .. then that's the time for release |
| 17:43.04 | NinjaMan | yes steampunkey? |
| 17:43.29 | Legality | abrotman: couple of beers down already, can't understand the text |
| 17:43.41 | gngkai | only to know if the statement by McIntyre is true or not |
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| 17:43.57 | oOarthurOo | damn, 2009 |
| 17:43.58 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.30 | DevilChaos | is there a package i can use to autoconfig my wirless on my t41 ibm laptop or do i still have to use wpasuplicant ndiswrapper and load them into the kernel manually ? |
| 17:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Legality, the apt-file part is what you need |
| 17:44.34 | oOarthurOo | oh well, at least Ooo3 will be in backports |
| 17:44.44 | stew | gngkai: debian deosn't schedule releases in the sense of giving them an actual release date. sometimes people will make estimations, but they are just guesses. debian will release lenny whenever it no longer has any release critical bugs holding up the release |
| 17:44.46 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: do you have the gpm daemon installed and running? |
| 17:44.53 | steampunkey | Meanwhile we're using locked thingy. |
| 17:45.51 | gngkai | stew: I know |
| 17:45.51 | gngkai | "Debian project leader Steve McIntyre has dismissed claims that the next stable version of Debian â codename Lenny â could be delayed until June 2009." |
| 17:45.52 | steampunkey | Ninja. GDM? Wait... yes (pgrep returns two processes) |
| 17:45.52 | gngkai | just to know it this is bullshit or true |
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| 17:45.52 | enouf | NinjaMan: ahh,, gpm, nice grab |
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| 17:45.55 | stew | gngkai: it could be delayed until june 2009, that is probably unlikely |
| 17:45.56 | Mundus | DevilChaos: The T41 has the intel 2100 wireless adapter? |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | gngkai: it will release when it's done .. there is no date for its release |
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| 17:46.05 | enouf | balzar: i don't know what's wrong - heck just d/l it and dpkg -i to install it http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/l/lame/lame_3.97-0.0_i386.deb |
| 17:46.10 | Legality | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm.. this should be a imagemagick module, is apt-get really necessarily in this? |
| 17:46.14 | NinjaMan | steampunkey not GDM, gpm (the console mouse driver) |
| 17:46.27 | NinjaMan | enouf ;) |
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| 17:46.37 | enouf | ... |
| 17:46.42 | DevilChaos | mundus: possible holdon ill ls pci |
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| 17:47.24 | DevilChaos | im on bt4 atm no ls pci availible |
| 17:47.35 | woden1_ | What is an easy way to convert videos to mpeg-4 to put on an ipod? |
| 17:47.40 | NinjaMan | enouf: wow winking at someone on irc seems just as gay as in real life - :D |
| 17:47.52 | gngkai | abrotman, stew: I know that history. I'm a debian user for long time. I just wanted to know if that sentence reported by 'The Register' about Steve McIntyre is true or not |
| 17:47.54 | DevilChaos | someone know diff command for bt4 i may use pleae? |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | gngkai: and we just told you, there is no release date |
| 17:48.07 | jamon | gngkai: it's the register.. |
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| 17:48.22 | DevilChaos | mundus: i think it is i installed it |
| 17:48.26 | gngkai | I have not asked for a release date... |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | gngkai: given that it's Oct 22nd .. they've got 9 days to squash about 75 bugs IIRC |
| 17:48.27 | enouf | !tell NinjaMan -about gay |
| 17:48.33 | stew | gngkai: i wouldn't know what Steve McIntyre might or might not have said. it is certainly possible that lenny would be delayed until june 2009 |
| 17:48.41 | Mundus | I think the T41 has the intel 2100, and in that you do not need ndiswrapper |
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| 17:48.59 | steampunkey | /msg dpkg gay |
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| 17:49.19 | Mundus | I'm not sure about etch, but if lenny goes stable very soon then you'll just need the firmware and you're good to go |
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| 17:49.48 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.50 | NinjaMan | enouf: let me guess, you are American, right? |
| 17:50.03 | gngkai | ok, so no one care about what Debian project leader said or not said |
| 17:50.03 | DevilChaos | cool well im running unstableat the moment anyway |
| 17:50.11 | DevilChaos | stable |
| 17:50.12 | DevilChaos | un |
| 17:50.12 | balzar | enouf: thanx, that worked. apt-get install should have too! |
| 17:50.20 | jamon | gngkai: lots of people care |
| 17:50.21 | DevilChaos | my typing isterrible |
| 17:50.30 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 17:50.35 | Mundus | DevilChaos: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:50.54 | gngkai | jamon: so why continue to publish news about delay until 2009? |
| 17:50.56 | DevilChaos | cheers dude need to go just now |
| 17:51.10 | enouf | balzar: i think your sources.list is a mess and needs a cleaning ;-) |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | gngkai: he said it, it's too late now. Just understand that Lenny will not be released until there are 0 RC bugs |
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| 17:51.53 | gngkai | abrotman: ok October or November does not change things. June 2009 does |
| 17:52.04 | stew | and if someone goes and proposes a GR about the firmware in linux-2.6, depending on the outcome of that vote, lenny could get held up for quite a while |
| 17:52.09 | Mundus | I'm just looking forward to putting squeeze in sources.list |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | gngkai: then help fix bugs! |
| 17:52.15 | Mundus | Just because of the name |
| 17:52.16 | steampunkey | I still have the same problem. I logged out with a mouse and then the keyboard worked again. I don't get it... |
| 17:52.29 | stew | gngkai: it would be impossible for someone to know for sure if all the bugs will be fixed before June 2009 |
| 17:52.38 | jamon | gngkai: i doubt that mcintyre wrote the register article you're quoting? best bet for release information is to check bugs.debian.org/release-critical and help out if you can :) |
| 17:52.51 | abrotman | gngkai: I'm going to keep saying it .. there is no timeline, and we can't tell you when Lenny will release |
| 17:53.08 | abrotman | gngkai: if someone claims to know when Lenny will release, they are lying |
| 17:53.12 | NinjaMan | steampunkey, did you check to see if gpm was running? |
| 17:53.18 | abrotman | gngkai: or estimating |
| 17:53.20 | gngkai | actually I'm already using lenny on a lot of production servers |
| 17:53.36 | steampunkey | NinjaMan Yes, I told you it didn't (I didn't write your nick tho. |
| 17:53.37 | stew | or they are an RM that knows stuff that we don't know :) |
| 17:53.39 | gngkai | and I'm quite satisfied |
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| 17:53.48 | abrotman | stew: but at this point, that's still estimating |
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| 17:53.56 | blast_hardcheese | holy crap, Is there any way of turning off tap-to-click when using the mouse driver? (Not synaptic?) |
| 17:54.02 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: ok |
| 17:54.23 | blast_hardcheese | I tried to get used to it, but this is making my computer absolutely unusable |
| 17:54.25 | abrotman | is going to use the bot to abuse Larry Ellison |
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| 17:54.42 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: did you handcraft your xorg.conf gile? |
| 17:54.53 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: *file |
| 17:55.13 | steampunkey | NinjaMan: Well, kinda, but didn't we all? Plus, it worked till now. |
| 17:55.32 | hyksos | hi, i have mounted a ntfs drive with rw, also the mount command shows me that rw is set, but if i try to change file permissions or want to delete a file, it returns, filesystem is read-only. i read on net, that there is a captive-ntfs driver, what does a debianer to mount ntfs drive really rw? |
| 17:55.35 | gngkai | are security updates for lenny yet available? |
| 17:55.37 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: dell usb keyboard? |
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| 17:56.12 | abrotman | !tell gngkai about testing security |
| 17:56.14 | steampunkey | NinjaMan: IBM model M. Doesn't get more standard than that. |
| 17:56.19 | stew | gngkai: they've been available since lenny was created, but they are not guaranteed to be updated |
| 17:56.46 | blast_hardcheese | steampunky: Have you modded it? |
| 17:56.50 | gngkai | thanks |
| 17:56.50 | blast_hardcheese | :D |
| 17:56.58 | NinjaMan | steampunkey: I don't even know what that is ... |
| 17:57.35 | steampunkey | NinjaMan: What what is? :-) |
| 17:58.03 | gngkai | stew: since lenny was created? not after freeze? |
| 17:58.21 | abrotman | gngkai: yes |
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| 17:58.26 | AntiLiberal | Hey I am looking for a distro that would 1) do well on older hardware, and have a relatively small base install and 2) not be dependant on the internet, you could install stuff off CDs too. |
| 17:58.29 | gngkai | thx |
| 17:58.32 | AntiLiberal | Is debain a good choice? |
| 17:58.47 | gngkai | I would say debian is THE choice |
| 17:58.50 | steampunkey | AntiLiberal: I'd say so |
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| 17:58.58 | blast_hardcheese | As would I |
| 17:59.01 | AntiLiberal | I have been using gentoo which has been nice but it uses too much disk space and is dependant on the internet only for updates |
| 17:59.04 | stew | gngkai: yes, since lenny was created on the day that etch was released |
| 17:59.19 | rwp | AntiLiberal: What other answer but yes would you expect from #debian? |
| 17:59.30 | asg | OpenBSD |
| 17:59.31 | AntiLiberal | rwp, to use Damn Small Linux of course :) |
| 17:59.40 | AntiLiberal | but that's a good point hehe |
| 17:59.44 | AntiLiberal | I'm in #debian |
| 17:59.49 | jamon | AntiLiberal: and you can just prelink with debian and get your speed increase :p |
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| 18:00.06 | AntiLiberal | jamon, what is prelink? |
| 18:00.06 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: the only even remotely close/similar info i have is "Disabling the touchpad when a USB mouse is added" http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes which might even be outdated, and/or involve synaptics - oh well |
| 18:00.15 | rwp | DSL is good but Debian is the *Universial* operating system. :-) |
| 18:00.17 | simonrvn | *BSD |
| 18:00.25 | simonrvn | asg: |
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| 18:00.32 | jamon | AntiLiberal: apt-cache show prelink adn you'll see |
| 18:00.33 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: crap |
| 18:00.51 | asg | simonrvn: ;) |
| 18:00.56 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: I find it amazing that I can't turn this off |
| 18:00.57 | simonrvn | :) |
| 18:01.06 | stew | blast_hardcheese: can you not use the synaptics driver? |
| 18:01.06 | AntiLiberal | rwp, I thought DSL was good except it's maybe a bit too minimal - the even removed all the Xorg drivers except SVGA and still use 2.4 kernel |
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| 18:01.13 | blast_hardcheese | stew: No, I'm still not |
| 18:01.13 | steampunkey | NinjaMan: Youh there? What do you suggest, do I reinstall something or... :-( |
| 18:01.22 | stew | blast_hardcheese: you are not able to? |
| 18:01.25 | simonrvn | asg: i finally got x to behave on freebsd. i was *shock* *shock* |
| 18:01.32 | blast_hardcheese | stew: That is correct |
| 18:01.36 | AntiLiberal | Well thanks everyone for you unbiased opinions :) |
| 18:01.44 | stew | blast_hardcheese: you've tried? |
| 18:01.47 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 18:01.52 | rwp | AntiLiberal: You might try looking at DSL-n then which has a 2.6 kernel and other larger things making it Not (the 'n') in DSL-n. |
| 18:02.13 | blast_hardcheese | My xorg.conf is currently set up to use Synaptics, but it ignores that declaration and uses mouse_drv |
| 18:02.14 | AntiLiberal | rwp, yeah I could do than and then migrate to debian as needed? |
| 18:02.22 | AntiLiberal | DSL uses apt-get does it not |
| 18:02.25 | rwp | But I am still using real Debian. |
| 18:02.40 | steampunkey | AntiLiberal: It can, yes. |
| 18:02.40 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: might be a lead though - oh also; "I also intend to support the disabling of "tapping" the GlideStick as well. Tapping of the touchpad/touchsticks drives me crazy, I'm not sure about you (causes the "selection" of things on the screen when you don't want to)!" heh; http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s7-pointing-devices.html |
| 18:02.49 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: also, man xorg.conf |
| 18:02.51 | AntiLiberal | I was wondering if there is a way to have a fast bootup that does'nt use perl |
| 18:02.54 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 18:03.03 | rwp | AntiLiberal, I don't know how easy it would be to migrate. Probably a reinstall. And I *hate* that. So I would go with Debian from the start. |
| 18:03.09 | rwp | But again I am a Debian advocate. |
| 18:03.11 | dooglus | my usb wireless adaptor loses connection apparently at random. ifup;ifdown doesn't help, but a reboot always fixes it. Is there some less drastic solution? |
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| 18:03.25 | AntiLiberal | rwp, on the DSL site they talk about how you can turn it in to debian I think |
| 18:03.46 | stew | AntiLiberal: we'd not recommend nor support trying to migrate an install from DSL to debian |
| 18:04.11 | stew | blast_hardcheese: can you show me the xorg.conf and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:04.16 | dooglus | i am using ndiswrapper and driver wusb54g |
| 18:04.20 | blast_hardcheese | Apparently there's a patch for Synaptics that makes it work with my ADB trackpad, but it should work how it is now |
| 18:04.26 | blast_hardcheese | stew: Yeah, sure. |
| 18:04.30 | rwp | I wouldn't try to migrate from DSL to Debian. |
| 18:04.34 | enouf | Apple Desktop Bus .. ugh |
| 18:04.51 | AntiLiberal | stew, because you don't want a bunch of people from DSL with a messed up system asking for help from #debian? |
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| 18:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | AntiLiberal, yes, selfish, isn't it? |
| 18:05.28 | dooglus | it's happening at the moment, if there is any diagnostic command i can run. Otherwise i'll just reboot. |
| 18:05.29 | stew | AntiLiberal: yes |
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| 18:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dooglus, try to reconnect with iwconfig directly... |
| 18:06.21 | AntiLiberal | I've been wondering what kind of performance increase there is from having -mcpu=pentium3 in CFLAGS with gentoo compared to generic with debian. |
| 18:06.31 | AntiLiberal | Is it like 10% or less? |
| 18:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite AntiLiberal |
| 18:06.41 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling AntiLiberal, and when it's all done, AntiLiberal runs no faster than previously |
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| 18:06.55 | AntiLiberal | hahahahahahaha |
| 18:06.57 | stew | AntiLiberal: definately less |
| 18:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing this time :-P |
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| 18:07.24 | AntiLiberal | CutMeOwnThroat, well people use -O3 and the CPU doesn't have a level 3 cache so it ends up running slower than before! |
| 18:07.31 | dooglus | CutMeOwnThroat: how? |
| 18:07.35 | epictetus | hey, I ran into a problem trying to install lenny today with the dictionaries-common package |
| 18:07.37 | blast_hardcheese | stew: http://whattheflash.com/2008-10-22.xorg.conf and .log, respectively |
| 18:08.01 | epictetus | is the appropriate developer here so I can mock his buggy package |
| 18:08.31 | abrotman | epictetus: file a bu |
| 18:08.32 | abrotman | bug |
| 18:08.44 | dooglus | by the way, iwlist wlan0 scan lists a bunch of access points, including mine, so the adaptor is at least partly working |
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| 18:09.15 | stew | blast_hardcheese: Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7ââ¬^à |
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| 18:09.21 | stew | blast_hardcheese: is there a typo in there? |
| 18:09.38 | blast_hardcheese | hmm. |
| 18:09.48 | blast_hardcheese | Possibly, I thought I replaced all those |
| 18:10.00 | karrotx | if i have a default installation of etch; what is the default authentication for ftp? pam? |
| 18:10.01 | rwp | epictetus, Filing a bug would be the recommended course of action. |
| 18:10.03 | blast_hardcheese | The weird thing is I don't get a configuration error with it |
| 18:10.28 | epictetus | did anyone else do a lenny install today |
| 18:10.37 | stew | karrotx: which ftp server did you install? |
| 18:10.37 | blast_hardcheese | stew: Fixed that |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | epictetus: did you even look in the BTS? |
| 18:10.48 | karrotx | wu-ftp |
| 18:10.54 | epictetus | abrotman: did your mom |
| 18:11.07 | abrotman | epictetus: do you want help? or are you just here to troll? |
| 18:11.17 | asg | simonrvn: I never had an issue with X on freebsd but I haven't used it in anything other than servers for many years. |
| 18:11.17 | epictetus | Definitely just trolling |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | epictetus: then go away |
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| 18:11.40 | stew | epictetus: take a 10 minute break. try to keep it constructive in the future |
| 18:11.53 | dooglus | CutMeOwnThroat: please repeat. I missed your reply. The screen on this phone is tiny |
| 18:11.57 | simonrvn | doubts that will happen anytime soon |
| 18:12.34 | blast_hardcheese | stew: I've uploaded the fixed xorg.conf/log files |
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| 18:13.02 | a[u]stin | where can i get a list of all the packages the different install options install |
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| 18:13.13 | AntiLiberal | Which version of debian, stable, testing, or unstable, would be most like the current profile of gentoo? |
| 18:13.18 | a[u]stin | ie standard, desktop, laptop, web server, print server, dns server |
| 18:13.26 | abrotman | a[u]stin: which install optoins? tasksel? tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 18:13.29 | AntiLiberal | I got stable a while ago, and it still had a 2.2kernel ! |
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| 18:13.37 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 18:13.37 | a[u]stin | thanks abrotman |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | unless you mean like .. 1999 |
| 18:13.46 | Mundus | AntiLiberal: None of them? |
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| 18:14.08 | AntiLiberal | Minoru, are the packages in gentoo usually never versions than debian unstable? |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | AntiLiberal: the current stable has a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:14.13 | AntiLiberal | * newer |
| 18:14.32 | AntiLiberal | ok I'm trying do decide if I need stable or testing |
| 18:14.42 | AntiLiberal | does stable have gcc-4.2 ? |
| 18:14.54 | abrotman | AntiLiberal: go to packages.debian.org and look |
| 18:15.00 | AntiLiberal | thanks |
| 18:15.04 | Minoru | AntiLiberal, may be you wanna say to Mundus? :) I don't know anything about gentto |
| 18:15.07 | Minoru | *gentoo |
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| 18:17.08 | chiak | AntiLiberal: stable have 4.1.1 |
| 18:17.22 | chiak | and testing have 4.3.2 |
| 18:17.38 | AntiLiberal | testing is probably a bit too close to the edge |
| 18:18.23 | masus | exit |
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| 18:18.39 | dudeman | no |
| 18:18.42 | chiak | AntiLiberal: for server or desktop |
| 18:18.42 | dudeman | its not really |
| 18:18.51 | dudeman | desktop = testing these days is better |
| 18:18.51 | dooglus | i.ve tried rmmod, modprobe ndiswrapper, but it doesn't help. What might help short of rebooting? |
| 18:18.54 | dudeman | server == always stable |
| 18:18.57 | AntiLiberal | chiak, server leaning or some desktop |
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| 18:19.12 | AntiLiberal | are there more security problems in testing? |
| 18:19.13 | dudeman | dooglus, what you tringn to do? |
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| 18:19.26 | chiak | AntiLiberal: for desktop is better testing, i mean |
| 18:19.46 | dudeman | etch now is too old for a destop system where you need new stuff |
| 18:19.55 | dudeman | even etch.5 is |
| 18:19.55 | AntiLiberal | Is "unstable" just for developers? |
| 18:19.59 | simonrvn | s/need/want/ |
| 18:20.03 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, mostly |
| 18:20.11 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, its for anyone who wishes to contribute, by helping to find package bugs |
| 18:20.23 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, its also the development env. for debian developers and pacakge maintainers |
| 18:20.36 | dudeman | !tell AntiLiberal -about sid faq |
| 18:21.12 | chiak | AntiLiberal: unstable is a little like ~ARCH in gentoo |
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| 18:21.30 | dooglus | dudeman: my usb wireless breaks at random, daily. Rebooting fixes it. I want a less destructive fix... |
| 18:22.08 | dooglus | dudeman: it's broken right now, if there are any commands i can run to help diagnose |
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| 18:22.31 | cahoot | dmesg? |
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| 18:22.33 | dudeman | dooglus, you can try dmesg to see whats up with its hw stuff, what breaks? it stop working? drops conenction? can't auth? no signal catching? |
| 18:22.36 | dudeman | what? |
| 18:22.43 | AntiLiberal | It may be better for me to use testing because it can be annoying to have an older version of a package |
| 18:22.56 | dudeman | dooglus, you can try to modprobe -r module_name and modprobe it again maybe? |
| 18:23.02 | dudeman | if thats what you were trying to do earlier |
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| 18:23.15 | dudeman | dooglus, also do not use rmmod |
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| 18:23.24 | AntiLiberal | If something goes wrong in testing, I can file a bug report just like in gentoo :) |
| 18:23.26 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, how new are you debian? |
| 18:23.33 | AntiLiberal | dudeman, very new |
| 18:23.35 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, you can always file bugs on anything |
| 18:23.53 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, I suggest etch, as its stable and non problematic (if you have older HW) |
| 18:23.59 | AntiLiberal | gentoo is probably a lot like debian testing |
| 18:24.03 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, what sort of a machine do you have? |
| 18:24.10 | chiak | AntiLiberal: yes |
| 18:24.10 | dudeman | gentoo is NOTHING like debian. |
| 18:24.13 | AntiLiberal | Well I have an older P3 and similar |
| 18:24.18 | dudeman | its not even a comparison |
| 18:24.23 | dooglus | dudeman: i can't get online once it's broken. Can't ping my wireless router. Can iwlist scan though. I use wpa tkip encryption btw |
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| 18:24.24 | AntiLiberal | dudeman, as far a package versions go |
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| 18:24.38 | stew | AntiLiberal: there are backports for newer packages to the stable distribution: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 18:24.58 | chiak | for desktop is etch too old |
| 18:25.33 | jelly-home | chiak: is not! |
| 18:25.46 | stew | chiak: why? |
| 18:25.52 | dudeman | what? |
| 18:26.00 | dudeman | is that a question or a statement? |
| 18:26.03 | jpablo_ | Hi there, How Can I change the Screen Resolution from command line? |
| 18:26.07 | AntiLiberal | If I need to, I can always install a package from a newer release of debian if I need a specific newer version can I not? |
| 18:26.13 | becks` | hi, my cron starts a bashscript that starts tcpdump with an ampersand at the end. (tcpdump ... &) - it perfectly works when starting the script manually, but it doesn't when being started by cron. why's that? |
| 18:26.14 | abrotman | mixing is not recommended |
| 18:26.17 | dudeman | you can even backport yourself |
| 18:26.17 | jelly-home | AntiLiberal: negative |
| 18:26.24 | abrotman | jpablo_: xrandr |
| 18:26.26 | dudeman | !tell AntiLiberal -about ssb |
| 18:26.28 | AntiLiberal | or will it depend on a newer libc and everything |
| 18:26.33 | jelly-home | AntiLiberal: yep |
| 18:26.49 | stew | AntiLiberal: you'd use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:26.57 | dudeman | stew check msg |
| 18:27.11 | AntiLiberal | I get it :) |
| 18:27.13 | jpablo_ | abrotman: "Can't open display" |
| 18:27.26 | AntiLiberal | I wouldn't mind having a new glibc though to run binaries compiled on gentoo |
| 18:27.37 | AntiLiberal | I'll go with testing :) |
| 18:27.55 | dudeman | starting with lenny testing pleases me |
| 18:28.01 | blast_hardcheese | stew: Did you have any recommendations after reading my xorg conf and log? |
| 18:28.09 | dudeman | I've disliked the testing phase pre lenny always, I stuck to stable or sid |
| 18:28.23 | dudeman | but now I like lenny, debian has a come long way |
| 18:28.25 | stew | blast_hardcheese: if you know of a patch that is needed to make synaptics work for your hardware, i'd recommend trying it |
| 18:29.02 | AntiLiberal | If I could download only ONE CD image of debian, which one would give me the most funcional system? |
| 18:29.04 | blast_hardcheese | I didn't want to randomly patch things, I had hoped that the patch was integrated by now |
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| 18:29.11 | stew | AntiLiberal: cd1 |
| 18:29.19 | blast_hardcheese | AntiLiberal: netinst ;) |
| 18:29.20 | AntiLiberal | ok :) |
| 18:29.25 | AntiLiberal | no not netinst |
| 18:29.39 | AntiLiberal | I want a base system that is funcional, and then add things from the net later |
| 18:29.39 | blast_hardcheese | I was joking around |
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| 18:29.52 | stew | AntiLiberal: that's what the netinst would do |
| 18:30.09 | AntiLiberal | but still useable without the net |
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| 18:30.21 | AntiLiberal | I'm looking for the install guide now :) |
| 18:30.31 | stew | AntiLiberal: yes, that's what the netinst would do. the netinst contains the base system on the cd, so you don't need the net to get the base system |
| 18:30.34 | stew | AntiLiberal: /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:31.15 | AntiLiberal | I would like to be able to install things like apache and php from the cd too |
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| 18:32.32 | dooglus | !reboot |
| 18:32.34 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 18:33.38 | dooglus | that's why i'm asking. How can i restart my usb wireless (ndiswrapper) networking without a reboot? |
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| 18:33.55 | stew | AntiLiberal: you might need cd2 for php: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 18:34.01 | oklinux | hey stew |
| 18:34.08 | stew | hi |
| 18:34.18 | jelly-home | dooglus: it's usually done with unloading and reloading the relevant driver |
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| 18:34.46 | dudeman | jelly-home, i told him that 10 mins ago |
| 18:35.10 | jelly-home | dudeman: perhaps he's a hard learner! |
| 18:35.10 | oklinux | on my gdm login the session select have some of the wm like fluxbox still in I need to remove it how do I do that ? |
| 18:35.15 | AntiLiberal | The install guide on the debian site is for the stable release |
| 18:35.25 | dudeman | AntiLiberal, it holds true for testing as well |
| 18:35.31 | dooglus | jelly-home: like rmmod? Or ndiswrapper -something? |
| 18:35.39 | dudeman | dooglus, I told you earlier, modprobe -r |
| 18:35.43 | dudeman | dooglus, man modprobed |
| 18:35.45 | dudeman | dooglus, man modprobe |
| 18:35.46 | chiak | oklinux: is fluxbox installed? |
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| 18:35.51 | oklinux | no |
| 18:36.13 | jelly-home | dooglus: what he said. modprobe -r is preferred to rmmod |
| 18:36.22 | stew | AntiLiberal: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 18:37.07 | dooglus | dudeman: i must have missed it. I'm using my phone to talk at the moment and the screen is very small. What module should i rmmod? I tried with ndiswrapper, but it didn't help. |
| 18:37.10 | chiak | oklinux: try gdmsetup |
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| 18:37.45 | dudeman | oh np |
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| 18:38.01 | dudeman | dooglus, also do NOT use rmmod, instead use modprobe -r |
| 18:38.19 | dudeman | dooglus, ndiswrapper could probably be problematic |
| 18:38.28 | _Sam-- | im not asking this to cause an argument only to learn, but why is rmmod no good? |
| 18:38.30 | dudeman | you do realize you're using a windows driver on linux |
| 18:38.39 | dudeman | dooglus, what NIC is it, and is there no linux driver for it natively? |
| 18:38.45 | stew | _Sam--: its fine. it doesn't know how to remove dependencies first is all |
| 18:38.52 | SOG | How do I enable to the laptop mode ? |
| 18:39.01 | stew | SOG: aptitude install laptop-mode |
| 18:39.26 | SOG | stew I already have laptop mode installed, but when it boot up, I can see it said laptop mode has not been active |
| 18:39.33 | steampunkey | back to my xchat (crappy, but still beats telnet :-) ). I resolved my keyboard not working problem. I've used GIMP, and activated slow keys unintentionally (when you have to press for few seconds to activate). A guy from #gnome on GimpNet told me, and I used gnome-keyboard-properties to stop it. Now it works (apparently) <- for the log |
| 18:39.37 | AntiLiberal | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual I typed in testing instead of stable and it worked |
| 18:39.38 | _Sam-- | i see...thanks for the tip, stew. |
| 18:39.41 | dudeman | SOG, /usr/share/doc/laptop-mode ? |
| 18:39.51 | dudeman | SOG, read some readme file about he package |
| 18:39.54 | dudeman | tell you how to use it |
| 18:39.54 | AntiLiberal | I guess I'll have to learn how to use the debian site properly later |
| 18:40.13 | SOG | Oh, thanks mandude |
| 18:40.15 | dudeman | good stuff |
| 18:40.17 | dudeman | hey ! |
| 18:40.20 | dudeman | its dudeman ffs ;) |
| 18:40.32 | dooglus | dudeman: i'll reboot so i can get back to a full size screen. Back soon... |
| 18:40.33 | dudeman | dude man homie bro |
| 18:40.39 | stew | SOG: try "dpkg-reconfigure laptop-mode" |
| 18:40.40 | dudeman | dooglus, ok good luck bro |
| 18:40.43 | oklinux | chiak, not there. |
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| 18:40.56 | stew | oklinux: you want to remove fluxbox? |
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| 18:41.30 | n3kl | so do I have to do cat firewall | iptables-restore to get them up |
| 18:41.40 | oklinux | yes just the line the session fluxbox wm is already uninstall stew |
| 18:42.02 | stew | n3kl: uuoc, i thought firewalls were overrated anyway? :P |
| 18:42.29 | dudeman | hey there is a ndiswrapper but then ther is another n something wrapper you can use for 32/64 bits whats it called? |
| 18:42.32 | n3kl | they are. But on the one machine I have a firewall, you brought up a more proper way, which I didn't think/know existed |
| 18:42.32 | dooglus | weird. I tried removing and reinstalling the ndiswrapper module one more time and this time it worked - I'm back on the laptop now |
| 18:42.34 | dudeman | n something wrapper |
| 18:42.40 | n3kl | stew: now I am trying to follow your recomendations |
| 18:42.51 | dudeman | dooglus, told ya |
| 18:42.53 | n3kl | stew: with the pre-up in interfaces, that is |
| 18:42.57 | dooglus | dudeman: there is a native driver for the hardware, but I can't get it to work: $ ndiswrapper -l |
| 18:43.00 | dooglus | wusb54g : driver installed |
| 18:43.03 | dooglus | device (5041:2234) present (alternate driver: p54usb) |
| 18:43.09 | dudeman | hmm |
| 18:43.15 | dudeman | dooglus, why not? |
| 18:43.19 | chiak | oklinux: some documentation to GDM is here: http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x241.html |
| 18:43.25 | dooglus | dudeman: I don't know. perhaps you can tell me how to? |
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| 18:43.29 | n3kl | stew: so is it just iptables-restore /etc/firewall.save then? |
| 18:43.29 | chiak | but i doesnt use GDM |
| 18:43.31 | dudeman | dooglus, I need mor information |
| 18:43.34 | sarefo | hi, how do i specify that i want a static ip instead of dhcp? |
| 18:43.36 | dudeman | more* |
| 18:43.38 | dooglus | dudeman: sure. whatever you want. |
| 18:43.40 | dudeman | i hate my fucking k/b |
| 18:43.43 | dudeman | grr. |
| 18:43.47 | n3kl | sarefo: man interfaaces |
| 18:44.02 | _Sam-- | sarefo : /etc/network/interface |
| 18:44.04 | _Sam-- | +s |
| 18:44.10 | sarefo | thx guys |
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| 18:44.19 | dudeman | dooglus, link to the driver? is it available in debian? how did you install it? what about it doesn't work? errors? logs? anything I can use. |
| 18:44.27 | dudeman | dooglus, take your time |
| 18:44.49 | dooglus | dudeman: it's /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/p54/p54usb.ko - it's part of the kernel I guess |
| 18:45.18 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 18:45.39 | dooglus | dudeman: if I remove the ndiswrapper module and install the p54usb module, I can't get online. more than that, I don't know enough to tell you what the problem is. |
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| 18:45.41 | dudeman | go on... |
| 18:46.09 | dudeman | what happens when you modprobe it? get any error or no output (no output == success) |
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| 18:46.25 | dudeman | dooglus, check dmesg |
| 18:46.30 | dooglus | I can try it now - but of course, then I'll not be able to talk to you, other than using my phone, which makes me want to torture small animals. are there any commands it would be helpful to capture the output of after modprobe'ing the p54usb module? |
| 18:46.35 | dudeman | eh |
| 18:46.40 | dudeman | dooglus, may as well hold off on that |
| 18:46.48 | dooglus | dudeman: mostly mice |
| 18:46.48 | dudeman | I have to actually do some actual work ;) |
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| 18:47.26 | used2be-FR33L4NC | ? |
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| 18:47.47 | dudeman | IOW, brb, or bbs, or bbl (I dunno which) |
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| 18:48.39 | ma3x | around any awk hackers? |
| 18:48.50 | n3kl | ma3x: try #awk |
| 18:48.50 | jelly-home | around what? |
| 18:49.11 | ma3x | i have the following data Lines.aspx.1: <td>Wed 10/22</td><td>51</td><td>Florida Panthers</td><td>+1.5 -167</td><td>+175</td><td>OVER 5.5 -111</td><td align="center" valign="middle" rowspan="2"></td> |
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| 18:49.31 | ma3x | i want to grep out only the value where it says +175 |
| 18:49.54 | jelly-home | ew. He who munges html/xml with awk shall die a painful death |
| 18:50.01 | dudeman | (that is one helluva regex) |
| 18:50.07 | dudeman | s/is/is gonna be |
| 18:50.09 | jelly-home | dudeman: not really |
| 18:50.19 | dudeman | jelly-home, example |
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| 18:50.39 | jelly-home | dudeman: if using GNU awk, which accepts regexps in -F, it'd be realtively simple |
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| 18:50.54 | jelly-home | dudeman: you can make all of the < ... > a delimiter |
| 18:51.12 | dudeman | ahh |
| 18:51.18 | dudeman | yes I just saw that in the manpage |
| 18:51.24 | dudeman | field sep. nice |
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| 18:52.34 | jelly-home | then again, scraping onling sports gambling sites smells like money, so I'd like to be compensated if a ready-made solution is what the user wants |
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| 18:53.25 | dudeman | hehehe |
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| 18:54.00 | dudeman | well you are not here to provide AWK support, rather debian support which you are obligated to do for free |
| 18:54.08 | dudeman | anything beyond that is your own business |
| 18:54.27 | jelly-home | not obligated to do anything for free, dude |
| 18:54.33 | dudeman | yes you are. |
| 18:54.40 | dudeman | you can't charge people money here |
| 18:54.41 | jelly-home | negative on that |
| 18:54.44 | dudeman | to provide debian support |
| 18:54.47 | jelly-home | sure I can! |
| 18:54.51 | dudeman | :( |
| 18:54.56 | dudeman | greedy bastard! |
| 18:55.01 | dudeman | smacks jelly-home |
| 18:55.08 | jelly-home | if they're asking for something weird, I'll quote my price |
| 18:55.28 | dudeman | yes but that is beyond #debian |
| 18:55.30 | dudeman | in private |
| 18:55.37 | dudeman | you can't do that in main channel publically |
| 18:55.43 | jelly-home | sure can. |
| 18:55.44 | dudeman | meaning, debian support is free |
| 18:55.47 | dudeman | obligatory |
| 18:55.49 | jelly-home | nope. |
| 18:55.50 | dudeman | at least in my eyes, |
| 18:55.52 | stew | dudeman: jelly-home: just drop it |
| 18:55.56 | dudeman | ok |
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| 18:56.24 | doglino | I |
| 18:56.33 | dudeman | You |
| 18:56.36 | doglino | uhahu |
| 18:56.49 | dudeman | dooglus, you need help with something? |
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| 18:57.36 | dooglus | ma3x: find out if the site offers an XML interface or similar. processing HTML using regexps is liable to fail when they make the slightest change |
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| 18:58.01 | dudeman | they should really offer rss feeds |
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| 18:58.37 | dudeman | dooglus, you are welcome to join #oswebdev and help discuss this with ma3x |
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| 18:59.08 | dooglus | dudeman: as I was talking about the wireless problem, my computer completely locked up |
| 18:59.23 | simonrvn | that's why you use an XML class/module/whatever to process it... |
| 18:59.25 | dudeman | it ndiswrapper that the culprit in my opinion |
| 18:59.34 | dooglus | dudeman: as in the clock stopped ticking, the mouse cursor stopped moving, SysRq-S didn't flicker the disk light, Ctr-Alt-F1 didn't give me a console, etc. |
| 18:59.45 | dudeman | dooglus, definitely a driver lock up |
| 18:59.47 | dooglus | that's happened twice today. what might cause that? complete freezing |
| 18:59.51 | dudeman | dooglus, used to happen to me with fglrx |
| 19:00.00 | dudeman | as soon as I switched to radeonhd it stopped happening |
| 19:00.06 | jelly-home | dooglus: nonfree drivers might do anything |
| 19:00.15 | dudeman | you really ought to make your native driver work |
| 19:00.22 | dooglus | so it could be the windows wireless driver I'm using with ndis? |
| 19:00.23 | simonrvn | using regex to process html/xml is like using a sledgehammer to nail in a finishing nail |
| 19:00.25 | dudeman | i'm not an expert in wifi but others here might be |
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| 19:01.01 | dudeman | dooglus, not could, definitely. |
| 19:01.02 | ma3x | dooglus: how do you strip everything out of that data and display the +175 only? |
| 19:01.33 | dudeman | ma3x, try #awk or ##linux |
| 19:01.36 | dooglus | ma3x: personally, I'd check if that nbsp is always there, and pull out the bit after it - something simple like that |
| 19:01.43 | simonrvn | (of course, i get ignored. as usual) |
| 19:01.44 | dudeman | ot |
| 19:01.48 | dooglus | ma3x: but don't talk about it here!!! ;) |
| 19:02.19 | dudeman | simonrvn, awww |
| 19:02.22 | dudeman | !hug simonrvn |
| 19:02.24 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around simonrvn |
| 19:02.36 | dudeman | simonrvn, you da man |
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| 19:03.03 | jelly-home | ma3x: I'd use a delimiter that matched '<td>' and '</td>', and print the relevant field |
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| 19:03.42 | ma3x | jelly-home: what would be your command?? |
| 19:03.49 | doglino | |
| 19:03.49 | doglino | I changed the file psswd by notepad of windows and now i can't login server? what i DO now?? |
| 19:03.51 | dudeman | heh |
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| 19:03.57 | dudeman | jelly-home, ready made solution ;) |
| 19:04.18 | dudeman | dooglus, oh boy |
| 19:04.28 | simonrvn | doglino: um, why did you do that? |
| 19:04.33 | dudeman | you prboably changed the end of line char in that file using windows formatting when y o usaved it |
| 19:04.42 | dudeman | simonrvn, more important than why, is how to fix |
| 19:04.44 | stew | doglino: restore it from a backup |
| 19:04.54 | jelly-home | ma3x: sorry, won't give you a ready-made answer |
| 19:04.54 | dudeman | it should be like passwd.old or passwd~ |
| 19:04.57 | dudeman | something of that nature |
| 19:05.02 | dudeman | (not positive) |
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| 19:05.14 | doglino | but i can't connect through ssh |
| 19:05.15 | cahoot | there may be one in /var/backups |
| 19:05.20 | jelly-home | thinks ma3x is by now a seasoned user that needn't be spoon-fed |
| 19:05.22 | simonrvn | doglino: notepad editing isn't portable... should have used something like notepad plus, or such, to "preserve line endings" |
| 19:05.32 | simonrvn | jelly-home: agreed |
| 19:05.41 | dudeman | me three |
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| 19:05.48 | simonrvn | yes, check there |
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| 19:06.56 | chiak | doglino: if you can't connect through ssh, you must repair the file locally |
| 19:07.08 | voltage` | whats wrong with nano or vi? |
| 19:07.10 | ma3x | jelly-home: i don't know scripting |
| 19:07.10 | jelly-home | ma3x: awk -F 'stuff here' '{print $1}' ... just figure out a way to match both <td> and </td> with -F argument, and replace 1 in $1 with correct field number |
| 19:07.34 | ma3x | jelly-home: but there are more <td> 's not just two |
| 19:07.46 | doglino | ok, then i will can to login locally?? |
| 19:07.49 | jelly-home | ma3x: learn. this isn't much of scripting, and is a reasonably easy exercise |
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| 19:08.52 | chiak | doglino: if you dont have password-protected bootloader, then yes |
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| 19:09.28 | doglino | ok |
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| 19:09.39 | doglino | i will try |
| 19:09.43 | jelly-home | ma3x: what awk does, is manipulate fields in a well-formatted line. If you have a line like: " foo:bar:4:baz:stuff here ", you can get "baz" out with awk -F':' '{print $4}' ... ':" is the field delimiter, and $4 is the fourth field in a line |
| 19:10.13 | dudeman | dooglus, ok |
| 19:10.14 | chiak | doglino: guide for grub: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ |
| 19:11.14 | chiak | then you get root shell |
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| 19:12.20 | fisxoj | if nautilus insists it can't unmount something because a program is using it, how can I find the program so I can unmount it? |
| 19:15.22 | dudeman | dooglus, well? |
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| 19:15.37 | peppe | fisxoj: lsof, fuser |
| 19:15.39 | dudeman | fisxoj, you can open terminal and do umount -l /dev/blah |
| 19:15.51 | dudeman | if you wish... or lsof |
| 19:16.43 | peppe | dudeman: why umount -l? |
| 19:16.53 | dooglus | dudeman: I was talking in the other #debian - oops! |
| 19:16.56 | simonrvn | lazy umount |
| 19:17.19 | dudeman | or you can -f it |
| 19:17.21 | simonrvn | the unmount executes when the resource is free |
| 19:17.23 | dudeman | whatever , man umount |
| 19:17.26 | dooglus | dudeman: someone there told me where to find the firmware; I found it; I modprobed the p54usb module again; the firmware loaded |
| 19:17.28 | simonrvn | better to do -l |
| 19:17.32 | dudeman | simonrvn, agreed |
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| 19:17.42 | dudeman | fantastic, I have no idea |
| 19:17.45 | dudeman | I suck at wifi |
| 19:17.58 | voltage` | give me a SNES controler |
| 19:18.00 | simonrvn | dooglus: so try configuring the iface now |
| 19:18.15 | fisxoj | hmm, it insists nautilus is using it... |
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| 19:18.50 | simonrvn | probably have a window open on it, or a shell |
| 19:18.50 | doglino | the coomputer is power on, but i cant to start session, don't accept my login and passwrod |
| 19:19.09 | dudeman | doglino, yeh thats a problem, shouldn't have done the editing |
| 19:19.15 | fisxoj | simonrvn, I've been checking them, I don't think there is... |
| 19:19.22 | dudeman | now you can't get into the system unless you're physically on it |
| 19:19.27 | dudeman | you are screwed my friend |
| 19:19.28 | simonrvn | what did lsof show? |
| 19:19.41 | fisxoj | simonrvn, how would I use that? |
| 19:19.48 | fisxoj | I did fuser -c /media/I\ AUDIO7/ |
| 19:19.55 | dudeman | first you would read man lsof and man fuser |
| 19:19.58 | fisxoj | and found the process' pid |
| 19:20.04 | simonrvn | and what did *that* show? |
| 19:20.08 | dooglus | simonrvn: I just did: [ 1601.558880] p54: FW rev 2.5.6.0 - Softmac protocol 3.0 |
| 19:20.08 | dooglus | [ 1602.561042] prism54usb: probe of 1-1.1:1.0 failed with error -110 |
| 19:20.23 | fisxoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.30 | simonrvn | dooglus: dunno; google that |
| 19:20.41 | fisxoj | and nautilus has PID 12400 |
| 19:20.43 | dudeman | fisxoj, now you have a pid |
| 19:20.46 | chiak | doglino: did you try booting into single-user mode? |
| 19:20.48 | dudeman | fisxoj, use lsof -p |
| 19:20.50 | simonrvn | fisxoj: so find out what process it is, or just kill 12400 |
| 19:20.51 | dudeman | read man lsof |
| 19:20.59 | dudeman | seriously... |
| 19:21.02 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 19:21.07 | simonrvn | !grounding |
| 19:21.08 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 19:21.11 | doglino | not still |
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| 19:21.17 | doglino | i try? |
| 19:21.32 | dudeman | doglino, you are physically ont he machine? |
| 19:21.45 | dudeman | doglino, i thought you said you were only having ssh access |
| 19:21.50 | stew | fisxoj: do you have more than one nautilus process running? or is that process also the one you are trying to use to umount? |
| 19:21.51 | doglino | no |
| 19:22.02 | doglino | i have phisicall access too |
| 19:22.07 | dudeman | ok you're not totally f'd then |
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| 19:22.16 | doglino | hehe |
| 19:22.20 | dudeman | see if you can reboot to single user mode |
| 19:22.27 | dudeman | pick single user entry from grub menu |
| 19:22.33 | doglino | ok |
| 19:22.38 | doglino | and then |
| 19:22.45 | dudeman | enter root password when it asks |
| 19:22.59 | doglino | ok |
| 19:23.00 | dudeman | if it works, good, repair your file, if not, you need to boot with a live cd |
| 19:23.18 | dudeman | mount your file system using the live cd and fix your file there |
| 19:23.31 | chiak | single user mode dont need root password, i mean |
| 19:23.33 | simonrvn | i noticed something stupid about grub2. doesn't support -b booting |
| 19:23.34 | doglino | I have a copy of file in diskete |
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| 19:23.42 | simonrvn | chiak: yes it does |
| 19:24.10 | dudeman | chiak, it would be better if you asked questios instead of making statements about things you are unsure of |
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| 19:24.22 | dudeman | chiak, newbs could get the wrong idea and shit |
| 19:24.28 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:24.29 | simonrvn | so you have to kludge around it using init= arg. or boot to another system. dumb. |
| 19:24.32 | chiak | sorry |
| 19:24.36 | dudeman | np |
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| 19:24.46 | Tramp | !ifrp |
| 19:24.50 | dpkg | i guess ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 19:24.51 | doglino | i will try |
| 19:25.27 | simonrvn | Tramp: yes, that, but his whole passwd file is FUBAR from being edited in notepad (!) |
| 19:25.34 | Tramp | doglino: follow the process above, instead of (4) fix your passwd file with a backup (there should be passwd-) |
| 19:25.49 | dudeman | simonrvn, not hard to fix line breaks there |
| 19:25.49 | Tramp | simonrvn: passwd- should be intact |
| 19:25.53 | dudeman | EOL |
| 19:26.21 | dudeman | if you don't know the problem you can't fix it, but knowing the problem is fixing it half way |
| 19:26.24 | dudeman | ;) |
| 19:26.32 | simonrvn | at the very least, like cahoot said, /var/backups (if it's an old enough system) |
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| 19:27.23 | simonrvn | doglino: next time, use vipw, or don't touch it, unless you have a lot more clue. |
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| 19:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | doglino, why did you want to edit /etc/passwd directly and why on earth did you think doing so with a notepad would be a good idea? |
| 19:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just curious) |
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| 19:29.19 | simonrvn | Tramp++ |
| 19:29.22 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I think the answer is rather obvious and "rubbin' it in" doesn't help too much. |
| 19:29.25 | cahoot | sounds like an honest enough mistake |
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| 19:31.47 | dudeman | eats a green skittle |
| 19:31.57 | simonrvn | !skittlesmite dudeman |
| 19:32.06 | Hydroxide | wishes skittles were vegetarian |
| 19:32.29 | simonrvn | they taste horrible, so no big loss |
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| 19:32.34 | Hydroxide | heh |
| 19:32.46 | simonrvn | :D |
| 19:33.00 | dudeman | hah |
| 19:33.00 | Maliuta | Hydroxide: but they are, there is one full vegetarian in each skittle |
| 19:33.02 | dudeman | you suck |
| 19:33.03 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:33.12 | Hydroxide | hehe |
| 19:33.15 | dudeman | forcfully feeds simonrvn a handful of skittles |
| 19:33.16 | simonrvn | Maliuta: hehe |
| 19:33.32 | simonrvn | spits them out at dudeman, machine gun style |
| 19:33.35 | dudeman | become one with the fruit! |
| 19:33.36 | dudeman | oye! |
| 19:33.51 | REPLeffect | anyone ever have trouble with logrotate *saying* it rotated files, but actually doing nothing? |
| 19:34.02 | REPLeffect | (on lenny) |
| 19:34.04 | dudeman | REPLeffect, now THAT sounds like a bug |
| 19:34.06 | simonrvn | nope |
| 19:34.12 | dudeman | a serious bug |
| 19:34.24 | REPLeffect | It appears to be working on all logs but one |
| 19:34.29 | REPLeffect | (a new one I set up) |
| 19:34.31 | dudeman | then its not a bug |
| 19:34.32 | simonrvn | run it in -v mode, see what it says |
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| 19:34.45 | dudeman | Hydroxide, hello btw |
| 19:34.51 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: that's how it is saying it is rotating |
| 19:34.52 | simonrvn | logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.d/yourlogrotfile |
| 19:34.56 | Hydroxide | dudeman: hi :) |
| 19:34.57 | REPLeffect | I'm running it manually. |
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| 19:35.38 | simonrvn | if it says "not rotating blah blah" that's why. otherwise you have a bug in your conf |
| 19:35.40 | REPLeffect | It says it is rotating the log, but no changes happen on disk. |
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| 19:36.28 | REPLeffect | which paste bin are you using on this channel? |
| 19:36.37 | dudeman | paste.debian.net |
| 19:36.39 | Hydroxide | REPLeffect: up to you, but http://paste.debian.net/ works |
| 19:36.41 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 19:36.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:36.52 | dudeman | so many paste factoids |
| 19:36.57 | dudeman | !listkeys paste |
| 19:37.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paste' by key (15 of 47): #debian mark and paste ;; #debian pastebin ;; #debian paster ;; CMD: crappastesmite (.*?) ;; _default pastebin ;; mark and paste ;; nopaste ;; noxpaster ;; paste ;; pastebin ;; pastebin howto ;; pastebin pipe ;; pastebin! ;; pastebin.com ;; paster package superkaramba. |
| 19:37.04 | dudeman | 47 |
| 19:37.09 | dudeman | heh overkill? |
| 19:37.50 | simonrvn | 46 |
| 19:37.55 | REPLeffect | http://paste.debian.net/19802 -- my config for the one that isn't working |
| 19:38.01 | abpend | Is there any way to download packages (either binary or dsc + source tarball) that are in the Debian NEW queue? I've been looking around on the overview page, and can't find a link... |
| 19:38.12 | stew | abpend: no |
| 19:38.42 | dudeman | bummer |
| 19:38.48 | abpend | Alright, fair enough. Thanks, anyway. |
| 19:38.58 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: um, sharedscripts is empty for one thing what are you meaning to do there? |
| 19:38.58 | Hydroxide | dudeman: I think there was some legal reason for that. (i.e. maybe related to export laws) |
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| 19:39.21 | dudeman | Hydroxide, sorry short attention span, regarding what? |
| 19:39.22 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: that's just a leftover from copying from another config |
| 19:39.23 | Hydroxide | dudeman: well, also so that Debian isn't distributing things with an undistributable license |
| 19:39.29 | Hydroxide | dudeman: no downloads from NEW queue |
| 19:39.33 | simonrvn | fail2ban sucks up cpu more than top does... |
| 19:39.33 | dudeman | Hydroxide, ahh |
| 19:39.36 | dudeman | yes |
| 19:40.04 | dudeman | must be approved first obviously |
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| 19:40.30 | Hydroxide | crude is at $66.94/barrel according to oil-price.net |
| 19:40.30 | doglino2 | heello people i'm here again |
| 19:40.32 | Hydroxide | oops |
| 19:40.38 | Hydroxide | totally wrong channel - sorry for the extreme tangent |
| 19:40.49 | jelly-home | dudeman: there is no overkill. |
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| 19:41.13 | doglino2 | i get the prompt |
| 19:41.24 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: removing the lines from sharedscripts down produces the same results |
| 19:41.37 | esaym | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=183478#183412 anyone have a clue? I am stumped. Virtualbox no worky |
| 19:41.45 | dudeman | Hydroxide, #debian-chat no more? |
| 19:41.57 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: um, is the file bigger than 200k? :) |
| 19:42.01 | Hydroxide | dudeman: never added it to my client to persist between restarts, that's all |
| 19:42.08 | dudeman | Hydroxide, well add it now bro man |
| 19:42.12 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: hehe. Yeah. |
| 19:42.29 | doglino2 | hey dudeman |
| 19:42.30 | Hydroxide | dudeman: done :) |
| 19:42.33 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:42.36 | dudeman | doglino2, welcome back |
| 19:42.37 | doglino2 | what i do now? |
| 19:42.42 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: originally I thought it was because of a large log file. The file was over a gig. Reducing the size made no difference. |
| 19:42.45 | dudeman | doglino2, were you able to get in? |
| 19:43.01 | doglino2 | I got the prompt |
| 19:43.07 | dudeman | doglino2, what did you do? I can't advise any more steps until you tell me what is going on |
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| 19:43.19 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: ok, so it might not have it in its "database"... sometimes i -f it. i'd consider that a bug |
| 19:43.21 | dudeman | *getting a drink, take your time to explain* |
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| 19:43.37 | doglino2 | I have a copy of psswd in diskete |
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| 19:43.59 | FFEMTcJ | how can i add the debian backports to my sources.list for etch |
| 19:44.04 | dudeman | what kind of diskette? floppy? or cdrom or what |
| 19:44.11 | doglino2 | and i want to copy again to linux (sorry about english) |
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| 19:44.22 | dudeman | doglino2, put in the disk, mount it somewhere, and cp your passwd over to your /etc/passwd |
| 19:44.22 | Tramp | REPLeffect: well, not that I have a clue but I would put this block you pasted in a file and then run "logrotate -d file". Maybe it gives some insight |
| 19:44.29 | doglino2 | ok |
| 19:44.32 | dudeman | doglino2, thats nothing tno be sorry about |
| 19:44.33 | stew | FFEMTcJ: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 19:44.43 | dudeman | doglino2, you're going great |
| 19:44.44 | dudeman | doing* |
| 19:44.49 | doglino2 | and reboot? |
| 19:44.54 | dudeman | well not yet |
| 19:44.56 | dudeman | tell me what you did |
| 19:44.58 | doglino2 | ok |
| 19:45.00 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: it doesn't seem FUBAR otherwise, that file |
| 19:45.02 | FFEMTcJ | stew: so theres no way to have it automatically download from backports? |
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| 19:45.07 | REPLeffect | Tramp: that's exactly what I've been doing. |
| 19:45.17 | stew | FFEMTcJ: what do you mean by "automatically"? |
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| 19:45.25 | REPLeffect | Tramp: (with -dv as the options) |
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| 19:45.44 | Tramp | REPLeffect: ah. ok then. (d implies v, if I read the manpage correctly) - and what was the output? |
| 19:45.51 | FFEMTcJ | if i do aptitude install php i want the most current version.. which is probably going to be in backports |
| 19:46.08 | stew | FFEMTcJ: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 19:46.37 | simonrvn | *cough* read scrollback Tramp *cough* |
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| 19:46.48 | stew | FFEMTcJ: note that if you are going to run something like php from backports, you should be keeping an eye on lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce and be prepared to backports security fixes |
| 19:47.16 | Tramp | hmm - the only paste I see is the config ... or did I miss something? |
| 19:47.36 | simonrvn | no, that's fine |
| 19:47.44 | FFEMTcJ | stew: ok |
| 19:47.46 | FFEMTcJ | ty |
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| 19:48.59 | REPLeffect | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/19803 |
| 19:49.54 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: so it's still not doing it? |
| 19:50.05 | REPLeffect | Tramp: log file size is 2MB |
| 19:50.10 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: nope |
| 19:50.15 | dudeman | doglino2, ping |
| 19:50.19 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: no changes in the directory |
| 19:50.24 | simonrvn | file a bug if there isn't one, then run -f on it |
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| 19:50.51 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: -f produces the same results. |
| 19:51.12 | dudeman | doglino2, tell me what you did, where you are exactly so that I can advise the next step |
| 19:51.18 | dudeman | doglino2, just hilight me, take your time. |
| 19:51.23 | dudeman | doglino2, I'll be around |
| 19:51.26 | simonrvn | hell, i still find logrotate hung in Z state after my log rotations... HUPping run-parts fixes it... |
| 19:51.43 | dudeman | haha verbify HUP |
| 19:51.49 | dudeman | hahahaha that was awesome |
| 19:51.55 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: WTF. check the BTS, and file a bug if there isn't any |
| 19:52.02 | dmoerner | i have gnome-terminal installed on my system...any ideas why /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator does not exist? |
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| 19:52.34 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: OK. Thanks for trying. |
| 19:52.37 | simonrvn | *shrug* it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/ |
| 19:52.42 | Tramp | REPLeffect: ok, only thing that comes to mind is to strace it and see, why it fails. |
| 19:52.55 | dudeman | dmoerner, uhm... weird |
| 19:52.56 | simonrvn | thinks it's a bug |
| 19:52.58 | REPLeffect | Tramp: good idea -- thanks for your help also |
| 19:53.02 | dudeman | dmoerner, just make a symlink |
| 19:53.05 | dudeman | dmoerner, no big deal |
| 19:53.14 | dudeman | dmoerner, /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
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| 19:53.23 | dmoerner | dudeman, looks like rxvt-unicode-lite has a bug in its prerm script |
| 19:53.23 | dudeman | reason as to why? not sure |
| 19:53.28 | dmoerner | i'll file a bug |
| 19:53.29 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:53.33 | dudeman | dmoerner, great, thanks |
| 19:53.37 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:54.01 | dudeman | well |
| 19:54.04 | simonrvn | Tramp: that's seriously buggered up. |
| 19:54.06 | dudeman | nice to see you smiling mr. raven |
| 19:54.18 | Tramp | simonrvn: what? |
| 19:54.30 | simonrvn | his logrotate |
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| 19:55.22 | Tramp | simonrvn: well - possible ofc. |
| 19:55.35 | REPLeffect | pardon my ingnorance, but what is /etc/ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 19:56.15 | simonrvn | not used on debian for the most part. ignore that. as for what it is, i don't remember =) |
| 19:56.26 | stew | REPLeffect: it should be documented in "man ld.so" |
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| 19:57.00 | simonrvn | man ld.so /etc/ld.so.nohwcap When this file is present the dynamic linker will load the non-optimized version of a library, even if the CPU supports the optimized version. |
| 19:57.29 | REPLeffect | stew: ah -- just looked for it with man ld.so.nohwcap |
| 19:57.36 | doglino2 | i mounted the floppy |
| 19:57.38 | REPLeffect | no wonder I didn't find it |
| 19:57.46 | stew | REPLeffect: yeah, it would normally be missing |
| 19:57.56 | doglino2 | dudeman i have the file psswd.txt |
| 19:58.07 | doglino2 | passwd.txt |
| 19:58.11 | simonrvn | doglino2: use /etc/passwd- |
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| 19:58.31 | doglino2 | i need to rename the file?? |
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| 19:58.35 | simonrvn | mv the buggered one out of the way and cp the passwd- one to passwd |
| 19:59.23 | dudeman | doglino2, cd /etc/; mv passwd passwd.broken.backup; cp passwd- passwd; |
| 19:59.30 | simonrvn | doglino2: unlike some OSes, *NIX-based one don't need the extension, it's just used as a matter of covenience |
| 19:59.31 | dudeman | doglino2, as simonrvn suggests |
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| 19:59.46 | dudeman | doglino2, restore from the debian backup itself, not from passwd.txt |
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| 20:00.03 | dudeman | doglino2, if /etc/passwd- does not exist, try as cahoot mentioned |
| 20:00.23 | REPLeffect | Tramp: wow. strace shows all the writes to stderr for "renaming ..." but no calls to actually write the files to disk |
| 20:00.27 | dudeman | doglino2, if you think your passwd.txt is OK with the proper EOL then you can copy that |
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| 20:00.41 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: is there enough disk space? |
| 20:01.25 | Tramp | REPLeffect: huh? rename is the syscall behind a move. So that should succeed unless there is an error |
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| 20:02.09 | REPLeffect | Tramp: that's just it. There *are* no calls to rename |
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| 20:02.18 | doglino2 | THE FILE PASSWD IN DISKETE DON'T WAS CHANGED |
| 20:02.44 | dudeman | doglino2, you know what you need to do, so just copy the correct file to /etc/passwd |
| 20:02.47 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: 7 gigs of space |
| 20:02.48 | dudeman | doglino2, thats all |
| 20:03.05 | dudeman | doglino2, let us know if you need more clarification |
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| 20:03.22 | Tramp | REPLeffect: ah. Misread your statement. Sorry. |
| 20:03.27 | doglino2 | I THINK NOT |
| 20:03.35 | dudeman | doglino2, please turn off CAPS lock |
| 20:03.36 | REPLeffect | Tramp: no problem. Be back in a few minutes ... |
| 20:03.47 | doglino2 | sorry i'm afraid :( |
| 20:03.57 | dudeman | lol what? why |
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| 20:04.13 | doglino2 | :) |
| 20:04.20 | Tramp | REPLeffect: which logrotate command do you strace now exactly? |
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| 20:05.35 | dudeman | man |
| 20:05.47 | dudeman | dude |
| 20:06.21 | dudeman | emacs has experimental code block hilighting |
| 20:06.26 | dudeman | oh woops |
| 20:06.41 | rahsputin | hi, i am building a 2.6.27.2 kernel and i stumbled over an option that speaks of modile CPU intel pent. III ( coppermine ).... since i am on a laptop and have a Pent.III Coppermine, i ask myself if it is a mobile CPU. |
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| 20:07.14 | dudeman | well since I mentioned it |
| 20:07.17 | dudeman | if anyone cares |
| 20:07.19 | dudeman | goo-font-lock.el - a modified font-lock.el that maps parenthesis (or block) nesting depth to different font-lock highlightin |
| 20:07.36 | rahsputin | are Laptop CPU's "mobile" CPU's ? |
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| 20:08.26 | rahsputin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_processor <--- iam puzzled |
| 20:08.54 | dudeman | rahsputin, I guess so |
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| 20:09.00 | stew | rahsputin: ask ##hardware |
| 20:09.11 | rahsputin | lol, i guess so too, but want to be sure |
| 20:09.18 | dudeman | im already there, come there |
| 20:09.21 | dudeman | we'llt alk |
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| 20:10.01 | simonrvn | dudeman: where's that file found? i doubt i'll use it, but be nice to try it |
| 20:10.01 | doglino2 | i did it "cp passwd.txt /etc/passwd" |
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| 20:10.21 | dudeman | simonrvn, which file? |
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| 20:10.23 | pablo | hi, which hexa viewer do you recommend for viewing a binary hexa? |
| 20:10.27 | dudeman | simonrvn, sorry, short attention span :( |
| 20:10.32 | simonrvn | goo-font-lock.el |
| 20:10.36 | dudeman | oh |
| 20:10.37 | dudeman | simonrvn, sec |
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| 20:11.11 | simonrvn | pablo: strings, some hex editor, less -r take your pick. apt-cache search foo bar |
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| 20:11.24 | dudeman | simonrvn, http://www.googoogaga.org/ |
| 20:11.25 | bailack | somebody here who could help me with a problem with the cisco vpn client? |
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| 20:11.36 | dudeman | cute domain ;) |
| 20:11.46 | simonrvn | !tell bailack -about ask |
| 20:11.57 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:12.01 | bailack | okay |
| 20:12.25 | dudeman | http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MatchParen Each paren gets its own color in cparen.el at http://www.hut.fi/u/rsaikkon/software/elisp/ |
| 20:12.28 | dudeman | simonrvn, ^^ |
| 20:12.34 | dudeman | simonrvn, anytime bro |
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| 20:13.22 | misreckoning | hello everybody, I'm using lenny for longer time now, and recently I've installed the newest kernel but it doesn't work, it stops loading somewhere after ACPI shows a message about some interrupts and then it doesn't continue, not even CTRL+ALT+DEL can restart the machine |
| 20:13.46 | misreckoning | hopefully the 2.6.24 works well, but I don' |
| 20:13.48 | bailack | everytime i connect via vpn, debian hooks up after 1 min... but ive no idea what the problem could be |
| 20:14.02 | misreckoning | don't have linux-headers for it, so it is basically not useful |
| 20:14.33 | misreckoning | google didn't help me so much, and I guess it is a bug (I'm running a laptop with AMD Turion X2 processor) |
| 20:15.01 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: try booting with noapic pci=noacpi; or similar. |
| 20:15.04 | misreckoning | any suggestions how can I fix this, or file a report somewhere (forum, bugzilla, etc?) |
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| 20:15.05 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
| 20:15.11 | dudeman | simonrvn, unfortunately is a bit conflicting with php-mode.el |
| 20:15.20 | misreckoning | dondelelcaro: I will, but, what if I need acpi :) |
| 20:15.29 | dudeman | Ego-Ale-Sum, hi |
| 20:15.33 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: unless it's a laptop, you don't. |
| 20:15.40 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've a problem with a debian etch box (x86_64). I need to add a user. I do "useradd username" but then if I do "users" I can see just root |
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| 20:15.45 | misreckoning | dondelelcaro: it is a laptop |
| 20:15.46 | Ego-Ale-Sum | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:16.05 | dudeman | that prints only logged in |
| 20:16.13 | dudeman | read theman page |
| 20:16.15 | Ego-Ale-Sum | oooh :) |
| 20:16.22 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: well, then you can either switch to the newest kernel and see if that works, or switch back to the kernel that was working |
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| 20:16.48 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: you should probably be using useradd instead of adduser as well |
| 20:16.59 | simonrvn | bailack: "hooks up"? |
| 20:17.00 | misreckoning | dondelelcaro: currently I am on the kernel that is working :) yet, I would like to make the newest kernel work too :) |
| 20:17.06 | dudeman | stew, why? |
| 20:17.07 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: why? |
| 20:17.10 | Ego-Ale-Sum | :) |
| 20:17.17 | REPLeffect | Tramp: strace logrotate -df /etc/logrotate.d/rsyncd |
| 20:17.22 | dudeman | curious, wanting to know the exact diff between the two |
| 20:17.27 | dudeman | let me google |
| 20:17.38 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: well, you can start with pci=noacpi; and see if that works. |
| 20:17.41 | Tramp | REPLeffect: well "-d" is supposed to not do anything. |
| 20:17.58 | Tramp | REPLeffect: uh - does -f override this? - have to check |
| 20:17.58 | dudeman | useradd CREATES a new user adduser ADDS a user |
| 20:18.00 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: otherwise, you'll have to provide information on your bios and hope that someone fixes the bug with acpi and your bios |
| 20:18.00 | dudeman | ahhh |
| 20:18.05 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: adduser does more. it will do things like create a home directory, copy /etc/skel |
| 20:18.14 | REPLeffect | Tramp: boy do I feel like an idiot |
| 20:18.16 | misreckoning | dondelelcaro: right, I get it now, see ya in a minute :) |
| 20:18.16 | dondelelcaro | adduser uses useradd internally |
| 20:18.25 | Ego-Ale-Sum | ok... well, I've already added the home directory |
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| 20:18.30 | Ego-Ale-Sum | btw, there's another problem |
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| 20:18.35 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I do then "passwd password" |
| 20:18.41 | doglino2 | i got the prompt |
| 20:18.41 | Ego-Ale-Sum | but if then I do |
| 20:18.44 | Ego-Ale-Sum | "su newuser" |
| 20:18.47 | REPLeffect | Tramp: That's what I get for assuming that '-d' *just* meant print debug info |
| 20:18.49 | Ego-Ale-Sum | it doesn't ask me for the password |
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| 20:18.56 | dondelelcaro | Ego-Ale-Sum: if you're root, it won't. |
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| 20:19.09 | Ego-Ale-Sum | It asked me for the password in the old server.... |
| 20:19.09 | bailack | simonrvn: sry wrong word..arg.. it hangs up |
| 20:19.09 | Tramp | REPLeffect: uh - do you mean you always used -d ?? |
| 20:19.15 | stew | Ego-Ale-Sum: realize that "passwd password" would affect the password for the user named "password" not the user named "newuser" |
| 20:19.17 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, are you inthe system now? |
| 20:19.20 | dudeman | doh |
| 20:19.22 | dudeman | doglino2, * |
| 20:19.26 | simonrvn | and i took you at face value, instead of checking the man ;) |
| 20:19.29 | Ego-Ale-Sum | stew: sorry, I meant "passwd newuser" |
| 20:19.31 | REPLeffect | Tramp: yeah. Sorry for wasting your time. |
| 20:19.39 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 20:19.39 | dudeman | simonrvn, ? |
| 20:19.42 | simonrvn | qw4]5 |
| 20:19.47 | dudeman | uh |
| 20:19.56 | Tramp | REPLeffect: well, glad we figured it out 8) |
| 20:20.01 | simonrvn | his logrotate prob. |
| 20:20.04 | dudeman | oh |
| 20:20.04 | REPLeffect | Tramp: suddenly I have a successfully rotated log |
| 20:20.08 | doglino2 | dudeman danke |
| 20:20.14 | dudeman | doglino2, most welcome |
| 20:20.17 | dudeman | enjoy |
| 20:20.24 | REPLeffect | simonrvn: *headdesk* is right :D |
| 20:20.30 | simonrvn | REPLeffect: glad it's sorted though :) |
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| 20:20.39 | Tramp | simonrvn: use his head, not yours 8) |
| 20:20.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:20.53 | dudeman | Tramp has always got big googly eyes ;) |
| 20:20.53 | fisxoj | how would I recursively remove files that have (1) right before the file extension? |
| 20:20.55 | dudeman | so cute |
| 20:20.56 | dudeman | lol |
| 20:21.10 | REPLeffect | That's what I get for assuming -d works like it does in other command |
| 20:21.13 | REPLeffect | (commands) |
| 20:21.16 | Tramp | dudeman: that's how I look at the world |
| 20:21.22 | _n3kl | fisxoj: man find |
| 20:21.25 | dudeman | awesome:) |
| 20:21.30 | simonrvn | my eyes would dry out ;P |
| 20:21.32 | dudeman | i got beady little eyes :) |
| 20:21.40 | _n3kl | yeah you doo |
| 20:21.41 | REPLeffect | This is the first one I've seen where it disabled the functionality of the program |
| 20:21.57 | _n3kl | I would too if I had to squint to bong smoke all the time, dudeman ;) |
| 20:22.00 | fisxoj | _n3kl, I've already got an expression that finds them all with ls, I just know rm doesn't accept input from stdin, and I'm not sure how else to delete them all |
| 20:22.17 | simonrvn | there's -n -d and -s where i see it does "debug only" "simulate" "no do", in other apps |
| 20:22.28 | _n3kl | fisxoj: find /bla -type f -iname "expr" |
| 20:22.49 | stew | fisxoj: if you have a list of files, you can pipe it to "xargs rm" |
| 20:23.02 | jamon | fisxoj: find as _n3kl pointed out with -exec rm {} \; would work too |
| 20:23.04 | simonrvn | *BONG* .... *BONG* .... *BONG* |
| 20:23.21 | simonrvn | ugh, -exec, no. use xargs |
| 20:23.31 | dudeman | thats right! toke i tup |
| 20:23.38 | _n3kl | simonrvn: I have heard that from many peple, why? |
| 20:23.49 | Tramp | jamon: or even -delete |
| 20:23.59 | _n3kl | simonrvn: if the name has a space in it, xargs fails |
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| 20:24.13 | jamon | Tramp: yeah, but -exec is generic for all the other times i use find :) |
| 20:24.15 | simonrvn | using -exec is less efficient |
| 20:24.22 | _n3kl | but 0f exec rm {} is used, the handle is processed, not the name |
| 20:24.29 | simonrvn | _n3kl: um, -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 20:24.49 | Tramp | -exec .... + |
| 20:24.58 | _n3kl | simonrvn: explain |
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| 20:25.24 | stew | _n3kl: find's -print0 and xargs' -0 are made for this situation |
| 20:25.28 | simonrvn | print NUL as line terminator instead of default LF |
| 20:25.34 | _n3kl | Tramp: or exec ..... \; |
| 20:25.39 | pgpkeys | If I see messages like "node `db4o' is not defined on the documentation map" during installation that is simply the Debian Online Help system announcing that there is no nodal information with which to register the docs correct? aka meaning the package isn't using that help system |
| 20:25.45 | simonrvn | man find; man xargs |
| 20:26.00 | Tramp | _n3kl: no. \; runs the exec for every invocation, + is efficient. |
| 20:26.08 | stew | though there is little difference between running "find ... -exec rm {} + \;" and "find ... -print0 | xargs -0 rm" |
| 20:26.17 | simonrvn | thos options ARE FOR SILLY PEOPLE THAT PUT SPACES IN FILE NAMES |
| 20:26.20 | simonrvn | those* |
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| 20:26.37 | bailack | noboady here who could help me with my cisco vpn problem? |
| 20:26.43 | stew | or sillier people that use \ns or \rs in filenames |
| 20:26.49 | simonrvn | (that was my contribution for CAPSLOCK day) |
| 20:26.50 | _n3kl | Tramp: so exec is called for each file, rather than... what? |
| 20:27.01 | _n3kl | simonrvn: simetimes its unavoidable |
| 20:27.11 | Tramp | _n3kl: rather than for as many files as fit on the command-line |
| 20:27.12 | _n3kl | wow, I can really type today |
| 20:27.20 | simonrvn | bailack: not i, sorry. others can |
| 20:27.20 | jamon | well how about a for i in `ls -R |grep "1\.ext$"; do rm $i; done then :) |
| 20:27.21 | dudeman | !debstats |
| 20:27.21 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 20:27.22 | _n3kl | Tramp: ahhh |
| 20:27.40 | dudeman | hey im #3 |
| 20:27.42 | dudeman | er. 4 |
| 20:27.42 | stew | _n3kl: "-exec ... {} \;" is called once per file, like "xargs -n1", "-exec ... {} + \;" is called with many files at once, like xargs without -n |
| 20:27.44 | _n3kl | Tramp: so + puts all the args found on a single command line and calls it that way? |
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| 20:28.08 | stew | _n3kl: not necessarily all, but as many as will fit in a single command |
| 20:28.16 | Tramp | _n3kl: with GNU find -exec ... + is almost always the correct way - as many files it found as fit on a command-line |
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| 20:28.42 | _n3kl | stew: is that why sometimes if there is a huge directory listing or something, and I do rm *, I get "too many arguments"? |
| 20:28.49 | simonrvn | yeh, that's better way |
| 20:28.49 | Tramp | _n3kl: on modern linux, a command-line can be 128k (32k pages) long. So usually one invocation is enough |
| 20:28.52 | bailack | simonrvn: yeah noticed that its a hard problem(searched for days)... but thx ;) |
| 20:29.00 | Tramp | 32 pages that is |
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| 20:29.13 | simonrvn | bailack: maybe ask in #vpn (if it exists) |
| 20:29.22 | _n3kl | Tramp: I see |
| 20:29.24 | doglino2 | when i loged in by linux single boot, the user root is reconized but when not userst don't works |
| 20:29.27 | stew | _n3kl: yes, and in those cases, "echo * | xargs rm" would work. xargs is made to handle these situations, it will call rm as many times as needed to keep the command line length under the limit |
| 20:29.28 | dudeman | or #cisco |
| 20:29.35 | bailack | simonrvn: oh that s a good idea |
| 20:30.00 | _n3kl | stew: ahhh, good to know |
| 20:30.13 | simonrvn | xargs++ |
| 20:30.13 | _n3kl | so I need to read more of the xargs manpage |
| 20:30.42 | Tramp | _n3kl: in stew's example the important thing is, that echo is a shell-builtin which has no limit on the length of it's command-line |
| 20:31.02 | _n3kl | Ahh, rather than /bin/echo er whereever it is |
| 20:31.04 | stew | yes, it would not work in the rare shell that doesn't have echo as a builtin |
| 20:31.06 | stew | right |
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| 20:31.35 | et | find -delete is safer though |
| 20:31.57 | _n3kl | so -print0 seperates files by null characters, and xargs -0 seperates files by null characters, which is why names can have goofy characters in them and still get processed correctly by xargs when piped, right? |
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| 20:32.54 | DayS` | hello here :) |
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| 20:32.56 | stew | _n3kl: yes |
| 20:32.57 | Tramp | _n3kl: yes. But with -exec ... + I can't think of a single reason why this construct would be necessary. |
| 20:33.35 | stew | when you need xargs -n2 or something goofy for some reason :) |
| 20:33.35 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how come everytime i reboot my computer my alsa deamon does not start up. for example everytime i need to. do alsaconf, as root everytime i logged in back on my computer |
| 20:33.49 | _n3kl | Tramp: I have just seen lots of commands with | xargs bla and I didnt know why that would be better than just using exec \;, now I know |
| 20:33.58 | stew | TiMiDo: if you know what drivers need to be loaded by alsaconf, you can list then in /etc/modules |
| 20:34.01 | Tramp | stew: granted. This would indeed be a reason. |
| 20:34.15 | stew | Tramp: you were forcing my hand to contrive one :) |
| 20:34.15 | _n3kl | thanks, I learned something. Yay! |
| 20:34.16 | TiMiDo | stew, i have a few drivers loading |
| 20:34.22 | et | _n3kl: find has not always had the -exec ... {} + option |
| 20:34.30 | _n3kl | Ah |
| 20:34.34 | et | _n3kl: for example, the find in sarge does not have it |
| 20:34.40 | DayS` | today i found 10 debian slink servers on production :) take a moment to laught to yourself |
| 20:34.42 | et | well, did |
| 20:34.50 | Tramp | yeah. But this is #debian and here we have GNU find 8) |
| 20:34.59 | TiMiDo | stew modprobe snd-ens1371 modprobe snd-pcm-oss modprobe snd-mixer-oss modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 20:35.04 | TiMiDo | that's what i have stew |
| 20:35.08 | et | Tramp: as i said, the find in sarge didn't have it either |
| 20:35.11 | stew | TiMiDo: where do you have that? |
| 20:35.16 | dudeman | DayS`, nice |
| 20:35.18 | dudeman | very nice |
| 20:35.25 | dudeman | I lov vintage shit |
| 20:35.25 | Tramp | et: thankfully sarge is no longer supported and so this reason is historical |
| 20:35.29 | TiMiDo | stew on /etc/modules |
| 20:35.39 | LimCore | I need to send emails 1) from CLI 2) from php. This is a server with own IP. What is the easiest way to do this? |
| 20:35.45 | Tramp | et: "has not always had" - sorry, you said so |
| 20:35.51 | stew | TiMiDo: you woulnd't put "modprobe" into /etc/modules, just list the names of the modules, one per line |
| 20:35.56 | DayS` | dudeman: lolz 7 years uptime |
| 20:35.59 | deface | so i upgraded to lenny, and now squirrelmail doesnt work .. anyone seen this ? |
| 20:36.01 | TiMiDo | stew, oh okey ic |
| 20:36.03 | deface | ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 20:36.03 | dudeman | DayS`, bullshit |
| 20:36.05 | dudeman | DayS`, show me. |
| 20:36.07 | et | Tramp: he asked about why he saw a lot of | xargs stuff |
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| 20:36.22 | dudeman | DayS`, actual photo of computer monitor reporting 7 year uptime |
| 20:36.26 | Tramp | et: yes, you are right. I was reading too fast. |
| 20:36.48 | dudeman | LimCore, you could try an mta and a php scritp for it |
| 20:36.58 | DayS` | well i can't right now, they are on a private network in the farm dudeman , but i will do a screenshot |
| 20:36.59 | dudeman | LimCore, there are tons of php mail scripts, ask also in ##php |
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| 20:37.13 | dudeman | DayS`, that would be awesome |
| 20:37.22 | dudeman | DayS`, look at how stable and quality debian is! |
| 20:37.27 | dudeman | 7 year uptime on a old ass os |
| 20:37.30 | dudeman | thats hot |
| 20:37.35 | LimCore | dudeman: uh? |
| 20:37.42 | et | LimCore: when you use mail() in php, you need a sendmail binary. if you use something like phpmailer.sf.net (very advisable), anything that speaks smtp is fine. |
| 20:37.50 | LimCore | I think it will be like.... sendmail -to lol@gmail.com -topic omg "Hi there" |
| 20:37.54 | dudeman | LimCore, et said what I was going to say |
| 20:37.56 | doglino2 | dudeman thanks, everything is right |
| 20:38.01 | dudeman | doglino2, I'm glad |
| 20:38.05 | doglino2 | :D |
| 20:38.07 | doglino2 | me toooo |
| 20:38.08 | DayS` | yeap that's true, its servers running a very old french internet-like network called minitel , dudeman |
| 20:38.09 | doglino2 | uhauhauh |
| 20:38.12 | dudeman | doglino2, don't EVER do that aian |
| 20:38.14 | dudeman | again* |
| 20:38.16 | LimCore | no, I want this computer to actually send servers (act like email server) |
| 20:38.24 | dudeman | doglino2, do you understand? |
| 20:38.34 | LimCore | actually.. I guess ther is some email server already. sendmail is the preferable CLI tool to send cli emails? |
| 20:38.39 | doglino2 | :D:D:D: |
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| 20:38.50 | dudeman | doglino2, especially NEVER EVER in notepad |
| 20:38.56 | dudeman | use wordpad if you must |
| 20:38.56 | et | LimCore: for scripted stuff maybe ... |
| 20:39.07 | doglino2 | i see in a forum that i would be do that!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:39.17 | et | LimCore: if there's a human in front of the command line, use mutt or pine or something like that. |
| 20:39.17 | dudeman | doglino2, well look where that got you |
| 20:39.21 | TiMiDo | stew, nothing happend |
| 20:39.26 | dudeman | doglino2, if you are using debian and unsure, just come here and ask |
| 20:39.34 | dudeman | doglino2, there are 850+ people here |
| 20:39.42 | doglino2 | ok thanks and byeeeeeeee |
| 20:39.45 | dudeman | bye |
| 20:40.03 | doglino2 | and i'm using fedora :p |
| 20:40.34 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 20:40.37 | dudeman | well whatever. I know now not to ever trust you and/or support you. Good day. |
| 20:40.39 | TiMiDo | stew, does debian sid has some bug? with alsa? |
| 20:40.56 | dudeman | TiMiDo, check the bt |
| 20:40.58 | dudeman | bts |
| 20:41.01 | dudeman | a;lksdfj;lkasjfdk;l fucking keyboard |
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| 20:41.14 | TiMiDo | blame it on the keyboard |
| 20:41.22 | dudeman | no the ksya re gettin gharder to rpess |
| 20:41.23 | mirak | where can I find fixboot and fixmbr ? they are not in debian anymore |
| 20:41.25 | dudeman | I need a new kb |
| 20:41.30 | simonrvn | !blame keyboard |
| 20:41.31 | dpkg | blames magellanino and keyboard for the end of the world as we know it |
| 20:41.39 | dudeman | this kb is 4 years old, I've had it since I was in college in oklahoma city |
| 20:41.42 | deface | mirak: in windows |
| 20:41.47 | dudeman | or 6 years actually |
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| 20:42.02 | dudeman | i love this kb |
| 20:42.05 | beware | what did he do with notepad, what did i miss.. |
| 20:42.08 | mirak | debhelper: I need the linux version |
| 20:42.16 | dudeman | beware, he edited /etc/passwd |
| 20:42.18 | simonrvn | beware: edited /etc/passwd ... |
| 20:42.18 | dudeman | :/ |
| 20:42.19 | oklinux | in gdm selector I have fluxbox and ratpoison wm that I m no longer have how do I remove those line ? |
| 20:42.21 | beware | ok.. |
| 20:42.44 | LimCore | et: it's for script. thanks |
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| 20:43.06 | dudeman | oklinux, its stored in the /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 20:43.07 | dudeman | somewhere |
| 20:43.13 | dudeman | hang on |
| 20:43.19 | mirak | I think they removed it because they think the bootloader of windows is compyright protected |
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| 20:43.36 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 20:43.37 | simonrvn | um, yeh |
| 20:43.40 | dudeman | yeh I think I don't have it installed so I dunno |
| 20:43.46 | SamuraiDio | whats the default debian experimental priority? |
| 20:43.57 | dudeman | but it should be there somewhere, its gonna be like ratpoison.desktop or something I dunno |
| 20:44.00 | dudeman | Iused to know |
| 20:44.17 | dudeman | you can add/remove session entries for gdm/kdm in that dir just create the files or remove them |
| 20:44.23 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: really low (like 50 IIRC) |
| 20:44.23 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: there isn't one .. you decide |
| 20:44.45 | stew | SamuraiDio: 1 |
| 20:44.48 | simonrvn | oh yeh, abrotman's right |
| 20:44.55 | simonrvn | 1? |
| 20:44.58 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:44.59 | stew | yes, 1 |
| 20:45.02 | dudeman | i forgot man |
| 20:45.05 | dudeman | I have no frekin' idea |
| 20:45.18 | dudeman | oklinux, just check /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 20:45.45 | oklinux | i have the four wm that I installed that all is shown. |
| 20:46.03 | dudeman | well thats there the files would be that ratpoison would istall |
| 20:46.13 | dudeman | ratpoison removed that file upon uninstall Ig uess |
| 20:46.22 | dudeman | so maybe you have to restart gdm for it to take effect? |
| 20:46.24 | dudeman | no clue |
| 20:46.50 | oklinux | but why does is still shown in session when you at the gdm log in ? |
| 20:46.55 | dudeman | beats me |
| 20:47.04 | oklinux | I restarted it many time |
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| 20:47.19 | dudeman | oklinux, hmm, tray dpkg -L gdm |
| 20:47.20 | oklinux | what is a good book for etch debian to read |
| 20:47.23 | esds | any romanian people here? |
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| 20:47.37 | dudeman | oklinux, search google |
| 20:47.51 | dudeman | oklinux, I never bought a book on debian |
| 20:48.04 | dudeman | oklinux, you can find all the ifnormation you need to become expert in debian online |
| 20:48.14 | SamuraiDio | how can i check the version of my installed packages? |
| 20:48.17 | dudeman | oklinux, google video has video tutorials for many debian things |
| 20:48.30 | dudeman | !tell SamuraiDio -about version |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | stew: there's a default of one if you don't specifty one? |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | of "1" ? |
| 20:49.02 | vadmeste | dudeman, that's true.. you need a book with thounds of thounds pages to include all tricks.. |
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| 20:49.30 | doglino | dudemman |
| 20:49.30 | doglino | I never knew it was fedora, just now. and i think the comunity is to divulge linux. sorry if it insult you but if you think so, i can't do nothing |
| 20:49.40 | dudeman | oklinux, I remember being a debian noob years and years ago |
| 20:49.43 | SamuraiDio | dudeman, but i want to know if a installed packages was installed from stable, testing, unstable or experimental |
| 20:49.52 | oklinux | how long was it ago |
| 20:50.19 | dudeman | doglino, its alright perhaps I was a bit harsh. I just dont' want to give my time to anything else than Debian GNU/Linux, especially while in #debian. |
| 20:50.19 | oklinux | this is a first year of debian for me |
| 20:50.29 | dudeman | doglino, I thought I was being purposefully lied to |
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| 20:50.50 | dudeman | SamuraiDio, aptitude show pkgname? |
| 20:50.59 | dudeman | SamuraiDio, or apt-cache show |
| 20:51.02 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 20:51.21 | LimCore | wtf |
| 20:51.28 | LimCore | man sendmail shows me a confusing exim4 man. |
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| 20:52.13 | LimCore | how to sendmail a message from user rafal@foo.com (foo.com is the /etc/hostname, it is all configured), to user target@gmail.com, with Subject, and the messsage will be feeded by echo ".." | |
| 20:52.37 | stew | abrotman: i believe it is becuase of the "NotAutomatic: yes" in the Release file |
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| 20:53.30 | neuro_damage | how do I setup my network interface to have a static IP etc...on bootup? |
| 20:53.42 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 20:53.44 | neuro_damage | and add services like ssh to bootup? |
| 20:53.45 | beware | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:53.52 | dudeman | SamuraiDio, oh, repository, you can view it with apt-cache policy pkgname or to make it short you can grep 500 or tail soemthing |
| 20:53.56 | dudeman | whatever etc. etc. |
| 20:54.08 | doglino | dudeman if you have not noticed I don't know many things about linux, |
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| 20:54.09 | doglino | if I knew I would not have done it |
| 20:54.10 | beware | installing said services with the apt method makes them start automatically |
| 20:54.16 | dudeman | doglino, its ok |
| 20:54.19 | doglino | ;) |
| 20:54.24 | dudeman | doglino, you should join #fedora now |
| 20:54.31 | doglino | ok thanks |
| 20:54.36 | dudeman | you're welcome |
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| 20:54.48 | SamuraiDio | but i want a complete list of the versions (stable/testing/ubnstable) of my installed packages |
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| 20:54.56 | dudeman | oh |
| 20:55.30 | dudeman | SamuraiDio, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat |
| 20:55.39 | dudeman | read/learn/use aptitude |
| 20:55.40 | oklinux | dudeman, how long have you been a linux geek ? |
| 20:55.46 | dudeman | 1994 |
| 20:55.53 | dudeman | unix 1990 |
| 20:55.58 | SamuraiDio | thanks |
| 20:56.05 | dudeman | mac earlier, amiga, c64 |
| 20:56.10 | dudeman | whatever whatever |
| 20:56.12 | dudeman | ibm tandy |
| 20:56.17 | oklinux | atari ? |
| 20:56.22 | dudeman | for games :) |
| 20:56.24 | dudeman | I was 5 |
| 20:56.26 | dudeman | ot |
| 20:56.29 | dudeman | join #debian-chat |
| 20:56.31 | dudeman | please |
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| 20:56.44 | dudeman | SamuraiDio, sure |
| 20:56.47 | abrotman | dudeman: your enter key is acting up again |
| 20:56.55 | dudeman | sorry |
| 20:57.36 | infinity1 | anyone know about running lenny on a poweredge 2950 |
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| 20:57.55 | infinity1 | the kernel isn't happy and the bnx2 drivers won't load |
| 20:58.07 | jelly-home | infinity1: 2.6.26? |
| 20:58.13 | infinity1 | y |
| 20:58.25 | pappanz | hello. does anyone know how to fix this? "8139cp: This is not an 8139C+ compatible chip. Try the 8139too driver instead" |
| 20:58.36 | dudeman | oldschool realtek? |
| 20:58.47 | dudeman | pappanz, load 8139too then |
| 20:59.08 | jelly-home | pappanz: that's usually harmless, because the system tries both drivers |
| 20:59.14 | dudeman | jelly-home, oh |
| 20:59.25 | _n3kl | What kernel should I be using for core 2 duo? |
| 20:59.32 | dudeman | the dude didn't know that. I thought you had to explicity load the other one |
| 20:59.46 | dudeman | n3kl, regular 686 |
| 20:59.52 | pappanz | not sure what I am supposed to do... |
| 20:59.54 | dudeman | n3kl, you can TRY amd64 if you dont' care |
| 21:00.00 | jelly-home | _n3kl: how much ram? |
| 21:00.07 | _n3kl | 2G I think |
| 21:00.26 | jelly-home | _n3kl: -686 will suffice, then. -amd64 would work too |
| 21:00.37 | _n3kl | the reason I ask, is cause hal is segfaulting on boot, and I thought it might be a kernel problem |
| 21:00.38 | dudeman | jelly-home, it doesn't really matter up to a certain point, but yes, amd64 would be a better choice for >4 but for 2 either is fine |
| 21:00.47 | dudeman | jelly-home, too late :( |
| 21:00.55 | simonrvn | jelly-home: what's the cuto-off point? you just checking for bigmem ? |
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| 21:01.03 | dudeman | simonrvn, 64 |
| 21:01.05 | jelly-home | simonrvn: yes. +3GB |
| 21:01.06 | dudeman | simonrvn, pae |
| 21:01.11 | dudeman | jelly-home, no... |
| 21:01.11 | simonrvn | cut* |
| 21:01.18 | dudeman | what? |
| 21:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes? |
| 21:01.28 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 21:01.29 | zibri | How does one transfer a block device over network? |
| 21:01.35 | dudeman | oh I see what hes saying |
| 21:01.41 | dudeman | zibri, nbd |
| 21:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, what is it? |
| 21:01.48 | dudeman | zibri, horrible practice, network block devices |
| 21:01.50 | simonrvn | NBD? |
| 21:01.53 | _n3kl | I am running the 686 and hal is still segfaulting. wtf is wrong with hal. Anyone else seen this? |
| 21:02.02 | jelly-home | zibri: a one-off job? |
| 21:02.06 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: no, nothing, just bad highlight |
| 21:02.14 | _n3kl | zibri: iscsi? |
| 21:02.16 | _n3kl | mayb e |
| 21:02.18 | dudeman | zibri, here is also ata over eth |
| 21:02.21 | zibri | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:02.32 | jelly-home | zibri: are you just transferring the data, or want to access the device remotely, I mean? |
| 21:03.02 | zibri | jelly-home: i'm just transfering the data as a backup.. as a restore point or something |
| 21:03.05 | dudeman | nbd lets you mount block devices over the network, as there is a server componenet that serves your disk |
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| 21:03.18 | dudeman | ata over ethernet is only for transfer asaik |
| 21:03.20 | dudeman | i could be wrong |
| 21:03.37 | simonrvn | it's iscsi for ata |
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| 21:03.57 | pappanz | jelly-home: I don't understand... I just rmmod 8139cp and modprobe 8139too, is it nonsense? |
| 21:04.06 | simonrvn | sata i suppose you could use iscsi |
| 21:04.16 | dudeman | simonrvn, uhmm. sata == sata |
| 21:04.18 | simonrvn | modprobe -r modprobe -r modprobe -r |
| 21:04.20 | dudeman | er. ata also |
| 21:04.30 | dudeman | sata != scsi |
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| 21:04.36 | simonrvn | i know |
| 21:04.40 | _n3kl | iscsi is not for a particular disk interface |
| 21:04.46 | simonrvn | sata uses scsi subsystem, silly |
| 21:04.47 | dudeman | simonrvn, oh I thought you would |
| 21:04.50 | dudeman | aohhh |
| 21:04.50 | dudeman | yes |
| 21:04.54 | dudeman | yes sir :D |
| 21:05.01 | simonrvn | _n3kl: ok |
| 21:05.03 | jelly-home | zibri: well then, you can use pretty much any method. My favorite is netcat, machinea# dd if=/dev/blah bs=1M | nc -w1 machineb 12345; and machineb# nc -lp 12345 > image-of-blah & |
| 21:05.24 | simonrvn | _n3kl: so why 2 interfaces then? |
| 21:05.25 | jelly-home | zibri: first start the destination nc |
| 21:05.36 | zibri | jelly-home: ah, neat. that's the simple solution i was looking for :D |
| 21:05.39 | _n3kl | simonrvn: iscsi is a network protocol |
| 21:05.49 | zibri | thanks everybdoy |
| 21:05.50 | zibri | *body |
| 21:05.50 | simonrvn | _n3kl: yes |
| 21:06.03 | dudeman | jelly-home++ |
| 21:06.10 | _n3kl | simonrvn: what do you mean two interfaces? |
| 21:06.18 | _n3kl | ataoe and iscsi? |
| 21:06.23 | simonrvn | netcat's *is* nice |
| 21:06.28 | simonrvn | _n3kl: yes |
| 21:06.34 | simonrvn | !shoot my typist |
| 21:06.34 | dpkg | blows my typist away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 21:07.18 | dudeman | i need a good multimedia keyboard that works well in debian |
| 21:07.20 | simonrvn | nm, i'll just read the Kconfig |
| 21:07.24 | _n3kl | simonrvn: I think ataoe came way before iscsi. You can use iscsi on ata devices, not know if you can use scsi devices with ataoe though |
| 21:07.28 | dudeman | I guess I could always keytouch it |
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| 21:08.09 | jelly-home | pappanz, eh, you left |
| 21:08.41 | misreckoning | dondelelcaro: hi again, I've managed to boot to 2.6.26-1 with acpi=off (noacpi didn't work), but I had a strange problem - couldn't compile madwifi module, so now I'm back to .24 :) |
| 21:08.43 | simonrvn | _n3kl: no, iscsi came first. |
| 21:08.51 | _n3kl | you sure about that? |
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| 21:09.03 | infinity1 | where can i find an old lenny 2.6.22 kernel. 2.6.26 is broke |
| 21:09.29 | Lagbolt | infinity1, whats wrong with 26? |
| 21:09.38 | misreckoning | infinity1: I solved my problems with acpi=off, if you have the same problem like me |
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| 21:09.58 | infinity1 | Lagbolt: there aren't drivers for netxtreme and the bnx2 package doesnt work either |
| 21:10.19 | infinity1 | i'm having this problem: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/PowerEdge2950/lenny |
| 21:10.28 | _n3kl | simonrvn: in either case, iscsi is for block devices in general I believe, so ata falls in that catagory |
| 21:10.38 | infinity1 | i installed the latest netxtreme, but it doesn't work. |
| 21:10.47 | simonrvn | _n3kl: http://paste.debian.net/19810/ |
| 21:11.26 | infinity1 | i'll try acpi=off |
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| 21:11.52 | jelly-home | infinity1: are you able to install etch (2.6.18), then upgrade? |
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| 21:12.27 | _n3kl | simonrvn: right, but the target, which will end up being your device, I belive communicates scsi commands to block devices using local protocols |
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| 21:12.37 | jelly-home | infinity1: or do you have a way to add the firmware via an usb stick to make bnx2 run? |
| 21:13.11 | infinity1 | jelly-home: 2.6.18 was working |
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| 21:13.20 | tMish | Which option to 'apt-get install' let me install but skip the configuration step ? |
| 21:13.31 | simonrvn | ATA_OVER_ETH : This driver provides Support for ATA over Ethernet block devices like the Coraid EtherDrive (R) Storage Blade. |
| 21:13.31 | infinity1 | jelly-home: i install etch and then upgraded to lenny |
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| 21:13.52 | jelly-home | infinity1: well. is a 2.6.18 kernel still installed? |
| 21:13.55 | simonrvn | _n3kl: yeh |
| 21:13.55 | infinity1 | jelly-home: network was working on etch, but the firmware-bnx2 package isn't working on lenny. apparently its a known issue |
| 21:13.56 | mateusz | how to redirect all network traffic to another computer which is windows proxy ? |
| 21:14.00 | mateusz | will it work? |
| 21:14.02 | infinity1 | jelly-home: no :) |
| 21:14.11 | jelly-home | infinity1: dumb move! |
| 21:14.13 | pappanz | jelly-home: may you explain me the problem with 8139cp/too? |
| 21:14.48 | mateusz | I have a network proxy, normaly I set export http_proxy=... and it works, but now I want to linux box do it transparently for all subnetwork. Is it possible ? Can I just redirect connections ? |
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| 21:15.23 | jelly-home | pappanz: does your network card not work after boot? Are you having problems, or does network work and you just worry about the message? |
| 21:15.29 | infinity1 | jelly-home: any great ideas to get netxtreme working? |
| 21:15.45 | jelly-home | infinity1: boot an older kernel, download firmware |
| 21:16.25 | infinity1 | jelly-home: weird. if i bootup, remove the module, and then re-install the module, it works |
| 21:16.28 | infinity1 | shit |
| 21:16.29 | jelly-home | infinity1: like the wiki page you quoted says, the driver just needs firmware |
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| 21:16.42 | pappanz | jelly-home: my ethernet card works. however I am having problems with my wireless device (ipw2200) and I thought it could depend on 8139cp |
| 21:16.44 | Similian | hello |
| 21:16.46 | infinity1 | jelly-home: older kernels have it built in |
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| 21:16.58 | Similian | are there any packages for after or ionice? |
| 21:17.04 | infinity1 | jelly-home: apparently the addon isn't as good for some reason |
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| 21:17.11 | Similian | or how would you delay a cmd 60 minutes |
| 21:17.22 | jelly-home | pappanz: no, those are completely separate. The message doesn't have anything to do with an intel wireless card |
| 21:17.35 | Similian | and how would you set a programms io-priority? |
| 21:17.47 | jelly-home | pappanz: you can safely ignore it |
| 21:18.43 | jelly-home | infinity1: afaict, 2.6.26 has the bnx2 driver too, it just needs firmware to work, like many other drivers do |
| 21:19.13 | simonrvn | what a fucking kludge |
| 21:19.50 | pappanz | jelly-home: ok. my *real* problem are the continuous drops of my wireless connection (ipw2200 i was saying). seems to lose the signal while I am not intensively using the internet, however i cannot be sure, it happens quite irregularly. dmesg doesn't say anything. what could I do? |
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| 21:20.31 | jelly-home | infinity1: so fetch yourself firmware-bnx2 package from package.debian.org, and install it via usb, cdr, or whatever |
| 21:20.39 | infinity1 | jelly-home: i think i figured it out. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494936 |
| 21:20.49 | adb | pappanz: file a bug ? |
| 21:21.03 | pappanz | power management is already set to off. I disabled tcp_window_scaling because otherwise I couldn't connect to the internet. |
| 21:21.08 | infinity1 | you have to manually run update-initramfs -u |
| 21:21.20 | pappanz | adb: sorry? |
| 21:21.26 | jelly-home | ah, nice catch infinity1 |
| 21:21.35 | infinity1 | jelly-home: yea. i have the firmware-bnx2 installed. i made sure to do that when updating to lenny |
| 21:21.41 | simonrvn | adb: 'adb' is what, Apple Desktop Bus or your initials? |
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| 21:21.51 | adb | !tell pappanz about bts |
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| 21:22.07 | infinity1 | jelly-home: thanks. talking about it always helps ;) |
| 21:22.12 | funkyHat | I'm trying to use automysqlbackup 2.5 but the script seems to die half way through, anyone got it working on etch? |
| 21:22.20 | infinity1 | jelly-home: i think my problem will be solved. heh |
| 21:22.25 | pappanz | adb: ah ok! |
| 21:22.39 | adb | heh simonrvn: both |
| 21:22.47 | _n3kl | What is the point of kerberos with things like ldap? |
| 21:22.50 | jelly-home | pappanz: I'm not well versed in wireless issues, try #wireless or #ipw2100 (yes, it's for ipw2200 as well) |
| 21:23.12 | pappanz | jelly-home: ok thank you! |
| 21:23.59 | simonrvn | adb: heh cool :) |
| 21:24.39 | simonrvn | _n3kl: some people use both, either, or neither. |
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| 21:25.04 | _n3kl | simonrvn: what is the best way to centralize authentication? |
| 21:25.27 | _n3kl | I have build ldap a few times, and it is just a lot to manage it seems and there is no real easy to do it |
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| 21:25.51 | oklinux | dudeman, do you think reinstall gdm would help ? |
| 21:26.09 | simonrvn | i use ldap. easy and (mostly) painless |
| 21:26.11 | funkyHat | ah, just found it in the NEW queue I think, is there an easy way to download a deb from new? sorry if I'm being thick :D |
| 21:26.28 | dudeman | oklinux, probably not |
| 21:26.43 | _n3kl | simonrvn: what do you use to manage it. It just seems like overkill if all I am doing is authentication, am I wrong? |
| 21:26.47 | dudeman | that ratpoison.desktop file exists somewhere on the disk and gdm is reading it |
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| 21:26.52 | dudeman | you need to find and remove this file |
| 21:26.59 | bambooforest | hi, i need help using sbackup |
| 21:27.10 | dudeman | oklinux, install locate;updatedb; locate blah |
| 21:27.30 | simonrvn | _n3kl: if you're having to keep more than 2 sets of /etc/passwd shadow, etc. in sync, then use something like that. |
| 21:27.39 | bambooforest | i just configured everything but it does not make the backup, it just create some files and directories |
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| 21:28.20 | _n3kl | simonrvn: so if I set it up properly, my uids on the my nfs exports, would match that of the nfs clients then, huh? |
| 21:28.32 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:28.45 | _n3kl | that would make life easier |
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| 21:29.40 | _n3kl | simonrvn: do you add/manage users manually or do you use some program? |
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| 21:30.15 | simonrvn | sec phone |
| 21:30.44 | _n3kl | ? |
| 21:30.49 | simonrvn | back |
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| 21:30.54 | simonrvn | both |
| 21:30.58 | dudeman | that was fast |
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| 21:31.05 | bambooforest | someone haver ever use sbackup tool? |
| 21:31.17 | _n3kl | simonrvn: what program? |
| 21:31.44 | simonrvn | ldapadd/modify, apache ldap studio, luma |
| 21:32.23 | simonrvn | oh jxplorer too |
| 21:32.35 | dudeman | jxplorer? |
| 21:32.36 | _n3kl | simonrvn: which is the best? |
| 21:32.50 | dudeman | hmm |
| 21:33.00 | simonrvn | they all work fine |
| 21:33.25 | simonrvn | of the last ones luma is fastest |
| 21:33.40 | simonrvn | (other than ldap-utils' stuff of course) |
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| 21:38.34 | stoned | !poing |
| 21:38.34 | dpkg | stoned: wobble? |
| 21:38.41 | stoned | im still still online |
| 21:38.45 | _n3kl | simonrvn: what if the ldap server goes down, can root still login? |
| 21:39.10 | karrotx | NO! |
| 21:39.19 | stoned | kakarot |
| 21:39.26 | stoned | x |
| 21:39.27 | karrotx | not so much |
| 21:39.30 | simonrvn | don't ever add root account, or system accounts, to ldap. some people add system users, but you take your chances. |
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| 21:39.56 | _n3kl | simonrvn: so those users would authenticate locally then? |
| 21:40.05 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:41.01 | stoned | ok bye |
| 21:41.17 | _n3kl | is there no aptitude build-deps? |
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| 21:41.56 | dmoerner | _n3kl, not in etch. in sid/lenny yes. |
| 21:42.02 | simonrvn | _n3kl: not etch's, use apt-get in etch |
| 21:42.09 | dudeman | ok |
| 21:42.13 | _n3kl | oh, its build-dep, not deps |
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| 21:42.24 | simonrvn | that too |
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| 21:43.30 | dudeman | 05:42 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 69 secs <----- insane lag? |
| 21:43.35 | dudeman | damn. |
| 21:43.50 | simonrvn | no. i get longer sync times regularly |
| 21:43.55 | _n3kl | dudeman: have you tried /usr/local/bin/turbo recently |
| 21:43.55 | dudeman | oh |
| 21:44.01 | dudeman | not sure what that is |
| 21:44.09 | dudeman | !turbo |
| 21:44.12 | dudeman | :D |
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| 21:46.27 | dudeman | zoltan |
| 21:48.21 | infinity1 | jelly-home: odd. problem still there. i updated the bug reports |
| 21:49.34 | duckx | Looking for an amd64 gourou |
| 21:49.34 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 210 |
| 21:49.39 | dustybin | holy cow the number has gone up |
| 21:49.58 | duckx | I am wondering how the system knows we have a 32 bits program .. |
| 21:50.02 | dustybin | how can that be if lenny is frozen |
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| 21:50.13 | duckx | And thus look for 32bits libs |
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| 21:50.16 | simonrvn | dustybin: people file bugs... |
| 21:50.27 | torrr | My totem doesn't play mms:// well |
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| 21:53.40 | misreckoning | so, my BIOS (or something else) doesn't work well with kernel 2.6.26 if acpi isn't off, can I complain somewhere about this? |
| 21:54.27 | dante_2core | misreckoning, not with such vague information |
| 21:54.29 | simonrvn | update your BIOS or complain to your board manufacturer |
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| 21:54.49 | misreckoning | dante_2core: well I'm willing to give all information needed, just I wonder *where* ? |
| 21:55.09 | dante_2core | misreckoning, well, the thing is, where depends on what problem there is :D |
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| 21:55.49 | misreckoning | dante_2core: I have installed 2.6.26 kernel and it can't boot on unless I specify acpi=off |
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| 21:56.11 | dante_2core | misreckoning, hmmmn - any error output? or how does the computer behave? kernel panic? |
| 21:56.13 | misreckoning | dante_2core: the last line in the log says about ACPI switching to some interrupt mode |
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| 21:56.39 | misreckoning | dante_2core: well it just freezes (maybe in the 2nd second during boot) |
| 21:56.48 | misreckoning | not even ctrl-alt-del works |
| 21:57.26 | dante_2core | misreckoning, well, if it's not a standard debian kernel, you can't really complain here, you might have to look for a channel specific to acpi on linux |
| 21:57.36 | xaashi | hi, i wondered if anyone could help me understand how to mange automounting usb drives |
| 21:57.38 | misreckoning | and I remember that in 2.6.26 (now I have 2.6.26-1) I could continue to boot, *read this*, if I kept pressing ALT key continuously! |
| 21:57.55 | misreckoning | it is a standard debian kernel |
| 21:58.01 | misreckoning | it is default now in lenny |
| 21:58.06 | xaashi | i need my usb stick to always be mounted to the same folder |
| 21:58.21 | misreckoning | xaashi: me too :) |
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| 21:59.03 | xaashi | misreckoning :) .. it's really driving me crazy .. always having to look up where it's ended up .. especially if ivman is running |
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| 21:59.06 | dante_2core | misreckoning, Come chat about LessWatts on IRC at #lesswatts on irc.oftc.net <- this is acpi's irc home |
| 21:59.24 | dante_2core | misreckoning, that alt-thing seems very weird XD |
| 22:00.12 | dante_2core | misreckoning, I'd say go to the abovementioned irc chan and ask about your error message there if you don't get any help here |
| 22:00.43 | dante_2core | I can also sit down with you and give my best to try and help (even though I might not be able to) - but that'd be tomorrow evening, 2nite I got... school work to do. |
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| 22:01.13 | dante_2core | misreckoning, also try and look what other acpi kernel commands than =off there are and try and work with those |
| 22:02.06 | misreckoning | dante_2core: well just to mention, I tried noacpi and it didn't work |
| 22:02.26 | misreckoning | dante_2core: going to LessWats now... thx! |
| 22:03.02 | dante_2core | misreckoning, no problem, i'll be around tomorrow evening, just hilite me if you need anything I can help you with. |
| 22:03.10 | dante_2core | afk, school stuff |
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| 22:04.08 | misreckoning | a very helpful person, now I feel happy :) |
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| 22:15.19 | ma3x | when i wget a http://www.site.com/content.txt and then I get it over and over again, how can I make the numeration content.txt.01 content.txt.02 and so on... and not content.txt.1 content.txt.2 |
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| 22:16.34 | ma3x | because when i read files it goes like this: 1,10,100,101..... instead of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ...... |
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| 22:21.29 | themill | ma3x: look at the -n option for ls (or sort) |
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| 22:24.20 | dextervip | Can anyone translate it to me please "Put the patch in the ssh2-0.10 directory, run patch < php-libssh2.diff and compile as usual." |
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| 22:25.22 | ma3x | themill: it lists them again as 1,10,100 instead of 1,2,3..... |
| 22:26.11 | ma3x | ok nevermind that |
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| 22:26.21 | oklinux | dudeman what is the command line for purging fluxbox |
| 22:26.27 | ma3x | how do i wget http://file -O outputfile.$hh:mm ? |
| 22:26.42 | deface | eh |
| 22:26.54 | et | ma3x: `date ...` |
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| 22:28.32 | themill | ma3x: sorry, it's sort -n you want or ls -v |
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| 22:39.09 | datalock | está away; janta - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[off] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
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| 22:47.13 | simonrvn | !tell datalock -about away |
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| 22:49.53 | oklinux | how do I upgrade gdm ? from 2.6.4-1 to 2.20.8 ? |
| 22:50.41 | themill | judd versions gdm |
| 22:50.42 | judd | themill: gdm: 2.16.4-1 (etch) 2.20.7-3 (lenny) 2.20.7-3 (sid) |
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| 22:51.34 | themill | oklinux: no version of debian ever released with 2.6.4-1, where is it from? |
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| 22:52.37 | oklinux | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/gdm/2.20/ |
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| 22:53.32 | stew | i'm hoping 2.6.4-1 was a typo for 2.16.4-1 |
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| 22:53.48 | themill | oklinux: and 2.20.8 is not in debian at all. |
| 22:53.54 | janis | hi there!! I learn that sid has a compiled driver for rtl8187. Can I apt-get source of the package and compile it for lenny? |
| 22:54.01 | Neo_The_User | what was the command again to play an mp3 file using moc? |
| 22:54.41 | stew | !rtl8187 |
| 22:54.42 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
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| 22:54.50 | Neo_The_User | !moc |
| 22:54.50 | dpkg | somebody said moc was the QT meta object compiler, or a console media player |
| 22:54.59 | oklinux | themill, Im using2.16.4-1 |
| 22:55.02 | stew | janis: ^^ according to that it is in 2.6.23 and later, and 2.6.24 is now in stable |
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| 22:55.58 | janis | great!!! so stew apt-get update; apt-get install linux? |
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| 22:56.26 | janis | oh, amd64 too, right?? |
| 22:56.35 | stew | janis: apt-cache search linux-image ; you should see 2.6.24 kernels available, apt-get install or aptitude install one |
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| 22:57.32 | Neo_The_User | apt-get install linux? heh |
| 22:57.46 | Neo_The_User | apt-get install apt-get |
| 22:57.57 | janis | well, it could be nice to do so, :p |
| 22:58.03 | janis | thanks stew !! |
| 22:58.32 | janis | Neo_The_User, well, if apt-get install does the upgrade, it does have sence to do either :p |
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| 22:58.44 | janis | sense* |
| 22:59.04 | marcin | Is there a 64-bit Debian that will run on a intel core 2 duo? |
| 22:59.12 | Neo_The_User | no |
| 22:59.21 | stew | marcin: yes, the amd64 port |
| 22:59.40 | neoice | marcin: I'm running the i686 on a core2 |
| 22:59.40 | Neo_The_User | !dpkg amd64 |
| 22:59.40 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
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| 22:59.57 | neoice | since 64bit doesnt like my wifi driver |
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| 23:00.15 | Neo_The_User | how many people use the AMD64 edition of debian and never use a GUI? |
| 23:00.29 | janis | neoice, what driver? |
| 23:00.49 | stew | Neo_The_User: many |
| 23:00.51 | neoice | janis: the macbook rev3,1 |
| 23:00.52 | marcin | my teacher, haha HATE GUI |
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| 23:01.04 | marcin | hates gui* |
| 23:01.04 | neoice | I mean, I havent even gotten it working at all |
| 23:01.17 | Neo_The_User | stew, kinda pointless isn't it? command line is so light weight |
| 23:01.28 | neoice | but I saw people saying it didnt work under 64bit, so why bother |
| 23:01.34 | stew | Neo_The_User: pointless to run amd64? or pointless to run without a gui? |
| 23:01.46 | Neo_The_User | 64-bit with only command line |
| 23:01.56 | neoice | Neo_The_User: there's a variety of lightweight GUIs if thats your concern |
| 23:01.57 | stew | Neo_The_User: i have many servers running amd64. why would i install a gui on my servers? |
| 23:02.11 | neoice | stew: THAT is when you dont need a gui :D |
| 23:02.21 | Neo_The_User | nothing is as lightweight as console |
| 23:03.11 | marcin | the 32-bit version limits the RAM. You can only have 2 gigs running. The computer we are using is running 16 GB or ram on 2 x 4 core processors |
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| 23:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, it's not about light weight... more about being useless to install a gui on a machine that doesn't even have a monitor |
| 23:03.54 | themill | dpkg: tell marcin about bigmem |
| 23:04.09 | Neo_The_User | CutMeOwnThroat, im saying for desktop comps |
| 23:04.16 | stew | marcin: the 32 bit version is limited to either 1 gig, 4 gigs, or 64 gigs depending on kernel options |
| 23:04.34 | Neo_The_User | desktop comps with 2 monitors, AMD64, command line only. thats what im asking about. how many people do that? |
| 23:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would anyone want to do that? |
| 23:04.54 | stew | Neo_The_User: 7 |
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| 23:04.57 | Neo_The_User | thats what im doing |
| 23:05.00 | beware | probably not many |
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| 23:05.11 | beware | i guess that thing also has 8 GB of ram or so |
| 23:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neo_The_User, the 7 from stew and 2 he didn't count because they're in australia |
| 23:05.28 | Neo_The_User | its just... this command line is cloning the screens. i want 2 independent screens. possible? |
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| 23:05.59 | Neo_The_User | that way i dont have to use ALT + number |
| 23:06.51 | Neo_The_User | is there a way i can configure my 2 displays independently in command line? |
| 23:07.19 | Neo_The_User | the ati drivers allow me to do that with the fglrx accelerators. so frusterating |
| 23:07.20 | acidfreeze | what is a good tool for benchmarking video card, besides compiz |
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| 23:07.43 | Neo_The_User | acidfreeze, glxgears |
| 23:07.56 | acidfreeze | i have always heard that is not a benchmark |
| 23:08.13 | Neo_The_User | good for the people who told you |
| 23:08.16 | acidfreeze | i get wierd results with that anyways, Don't really trust it |
| 23:08.29 | acidfreeze | whatever,, ok besides glxgears |
| 23:08.50 | Neo_The_User | i got 19,000 FPS with fglrx, dual monitors in glx gears with my Radeon HD 4870 |
| 23:09.15 | acidfreeze | ok well.. then there you go.. it said i am getting 31,000 10 minutes ago |
| 23:09.23 | acidfreeze | i have radeon 3450 . ha |
| 23:09.26 | Neo_The_User | what card? jeeze |
| 23:09.31 | acidfreeze | its wrong... |
| 23:09.39 | Neo_The_User | what driver? |
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| 23:09.44 | Neo_The_User | thats fast |
| 23:09.50 | acidfreeze | fglx |
| 23:09.50 | kragil | Hello, does anyone know howto get open source Radeon 3D accel on a X1300 (RV515) in unstable? |
| 23:09.52 | datalock | retornou do away; janta - duração[30m42s] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 23:09.56 | beware | welcome to people who have dual quad core cpus, 16 GB ram and dual 8800 GTX. and run it in command line only. |
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| 23:10.00 | themill | dpkg: tell datalock about away |
| 23:10.11 | Neo_The_User | beware, i kinda have that |
| 23:10.30 | Neo_The_User | not exact hardware but similar |
| 23:10.41 | Neo_The_User | command line only. i try to save power |
| 23:10.56 | ma3x | i have bunch of files like: file.01 file.02 file.03....... how do I mv them all to file.001 to have one more zero in front of it |
| 23:10.59 | beware | if power is your concern, change the videocard for something more lightweight |
| 23:11.14 | Neo_The_User | beware, i dont want to be a power user. |
| 23:11.17 | themill | ma3x: look at the rename utility |
| 23:11.18 | Neo_The_User | get it? |
| 23:11.26 | beware | not really |
| 23:11.36 | beware | i mean power, as in, energy |
| 23:11.44 | ma3x | themill: i know it's done with mv, but i don't know the regex things |
| 23:11.47 | themill | points the hardware comparisons towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:11.49 | Neo_The_User | yeah it was a joke about the power user |
| 23:11.57 | beware | i can imagine high end videocards idle with a relatively high wattage |
| 23:12.05 | Neo_The_User | !ot |
| 23:12.05 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 23:13.22 | Neo_The_User | i hate that my irc client shows my ip. now im gunna be port scanned |
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| 23:15.03 | Neo_The_User | im going to take off now and give my AMD Phenom X4 black edition a break from the really intense command line. bye |
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| 23:17.49 | charlie5 | hi folks ... how would i burn a bootable install cd from the (vmlinuz, initrd.gz and debian-cd_info.tar.gx) files ? ... would i use k3b, add the files, and make a data cd ? ... but i don't think that would be bootable ? |
| 23:18.11 | charlie5 | ... it's the 'tiny' cd image files |
| 23:19.33 | dudeman | more like ##hardware |
| 23:19.35 | dmoerner | charlie5, why do you need to do that? |
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| 23:20.11 | kragil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.37 | charlie5 | dmoerner: the CD on the install machine is playing up ... i was hoping it might manage 40 meg (errors are infrequent, but often enough to fail a 120 meg 'read') ... it's clutching at straws, but i'm a little, err, desperate ;) |
| 23:22.00 | charlie5 | i also cannot make a floppy |
| 23:22.11 | dmoerner | mini.iso in the gtk-miniiso directory is 12 mb |
| 23:22.25 | charlie5 | that sound perfect |
| 23:22.28 | dmoerner | can you use a usb stick? |
| 23:22.34 | charlie5 | i hadn;t noticed it, thoug |
| 23:23.00 | charlie5 | possibly, but i don;t have one atm :/ |
| 23:23.16 | charlie5 | it might be the best option though |
| 23:24.16 | charlie5 | but i will try the mini.iso 1st ... thank you |
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| 23:37.49 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 23:37.49 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
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| 23:48.10 | torrr | how can I set epiphany extensions for all users? |
| 23:48.33 | torrr | (is there a system wide default?) |
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| 23:52.48 | funky | hello |
| 23:53.24 | funky | how can I purge the deps when I do aptitude purge package-with-deps ? |
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| 23:53.46 | funky | aptitude only uninstall the deps, no purge them |
| 23:53.58 | dmoerner | --purge-unused |
| 23:54.02 | funky | thanks |
| 23:54.45 | oklinux | dudeman, can you tell me where is xsession again ? |
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| 23:57.02 | funky | oklinux: ~/.xsession ? |
| 23:58.13 | oklinux | yes |
| 23:58.16 | oklinux | funky, |
| 23:58.20 | enouf | who whta! |
| 23:58.52 | enouf | !tell okcomputer -about xsession |
| 23:59.00 | enouf | !tell oklinux -about xsession |
| 23:59.06 | acidfreeze | what is the best to use for benchmarking my video card, besides glxgears |
| 23:59.51 | oklinux | thanks enouf |