| 00:00.39 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:00.39 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:01.00 | _2 | abrotman sorry, did i interrupt something ? |
| 00:01.13 | themill | _2: yeah... (##hardware might be better, btw) |
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| 00:02.22 | procrastination | cutmeownthroat: i have modules open...how do i add my network kernal to it? |
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| 00:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... very nice... just tried apt-spy myself... and what does it result in? Segmentation fault |
| 00:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | procrastination, you just add the name of the module on a separate line ("bcm5700" without the quotes in my case) - use lsmod and/or dmesg and/or lspci to find out what module it is ( or see what "/msg dpkg whats my hardware" tells you) |
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| 00:09.23 | procrastination | cutmeownthroat: can you tell what i have from this http://pastebin.com/m70d5c811 |
| 00:09.47 | abrotman | lspci -nn might be better |
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| 00:11.30 | procrastination | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m48a6a6d7 |
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| 00:11.53 | abrotman | rtl8111 |
| 00:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | procrastination, not easily :) it's the one you also find in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net |
| 00:12.24 | procrastination | abrotman: add rtl8111 to modules? |
| 00:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try - as you load it anyways, it can't hurt |
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| 00:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 00:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not in your lsmod list |
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| 00:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm.... |
| 00:13.49 | procrastination | that sounds bad |
| 00:13.53 | procrastination | lol |
| 00:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there is no rtl8111 within my modules, I only got rtl8150 for a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 00:15.12 | MariachiAC | Hello, does anyone know how to connect a bluetooth device through the terminal? Also... My fan always turns on when I'm hardly running anything, is there a way to fix this? using Lenny. |
| 00:16.03 | procrastination | what sould i do? |
| 00:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | procrastination, r8169 is your module |
| 00:16.42 | procrastination | and rtl8111? |
| 00:16.47 | procrastination | or just r8169 |
| 00:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's just the name of your card |
| 00:17.19 | abrotman | it's the r8169 |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | doh |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | that's it |
| 00:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 00:17.44 | procrastination | wait what...? |
| 00:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | lag :) |
| 00:18.41 | procrastination | abrotman: ok im adding r8169 to modules |
| 00:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | procrastination, just r8169, there is no rtl8111 module, that is just the name of your network-card |
| 00:19.04 | procrastination | ok thanks...i understand now |
| 00:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | one module often works for several similar types of card |
| 00:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you have to find out what hardware you have, then what kernel module is loaded for it |
| 00:20.03 | procrastination | another question...something i didnt have to deal with in ubuntu...when i sudo and command in my user name is says some bs like im not part of the suders file or something...what do i need to add to that file in order for the username tyler to be able to sudo |
| 00:20.39 | teratoma | as root: visudo |
| 00:21.04 | teratoma | you need to be in your sudoers file |
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| 00:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I guess "man sudoers" tells you how to do it |
| 00:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I'm just using su for everything :) |
| 00:24.20 | procrastination | so what should i add to my sudoers file...im in it right now |
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| 00:25.19 | jaggz- | is there a way I can have a program catch the outgoing sound on my computer? (I'm using KDE) I'd like to setup VLC so it can stream this computers output to another computer on my lan |
| 00:25.35 | procrastination | or cutmeownthroat...i dont want to type su in terminal everytime i wanna do something |
| 00:26.12 | stdisease | procrastination: "%wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL" and add yourself to wheel group |
| 00:26.45 | procrastination | my username is tyler...so how exactly would the syntax be? |
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| 00:27.11 | Nai | what is the xfs font server called on debian? |
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| 00:27.16 | procrastination | stdisease: i hope u dont have aids |
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| 00:28.05 | stdisease | hope is good |
| 00:28.13 | stdisease | add the line "%wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL" to sudoers |
| 00:28.27 | procrastination | ok |
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| 00:29.04 | procrastination | theres already a rootALL=(ALL) ALL so i just added it underneith |
| 00:29.25 | stdisease | err, if there is, there's no need to do it twice |
| 00:29.31 | stdisease | oh nvm |
| 00:29.37 | procrastination | :) |
| 00:29.46 | procrastination | do i need both of them root and wheel? |
| 00:30.14 | jaggz- | cat /dev/audio displays data when I enable the mixer "mix" switch, but when I try to access it with vlc it becomes "device busy" |
| 00:30.25 | stdisease | yeah, if you want to allow people in wheel to do stuff |
| 00:30.37 | stdisease | k, now add yourself to the wheel group |
| 00:30.52 | Nai | what is the xfs font server called on debian? |
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| 00:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xprt, perhaps? |
| 00:32.18 | procrastination | stdisease, sorry im not good with these files...how exactly do i add myself to the wheel group...where do i type my username :) |
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| 00:33.15 | stdisease | procrastination: "usermod -a -G wheel <yourlogin=tyler>" |
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| 00:33.31 | procrastination | thank you kind sir...im learning |
| 00:33.36 | stdisease | usermod -a -G wheel tyler |
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| 00:33.50 | abrotman | there's no wheel setup by default |
| 00:33.57 | stdisease | yw, enter "man usermod" to learn more :) |
| 00:36.11 | stdisease | oh isn't there? |
| 00:36.30 | procrastination | ah its not letting my sudo nautilus into sudoers file....when you say visudo into it...what exactly does that mea |
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| 00:37.05 | stdisease | you have to add the group then, before adding yourself to it |
| 00:37.22 | procrastination | i know...i havent added wheel yet |
| 00:37.25 | stdisease | "groupadd wheel" |
| 00:37.36 | procrastination | it wont let me save to sudoers |
| 00:37.48 | stdisease | procrastination: you must be root, of course |
| 00:37.55 | procrastination | i did |
| 00:37.57 | procrastination | i went su |
| 00:38.01 | procrastination | entered password |
| 00:38.04 | procrastination | sudo nautilus |
| 00:38.12 | procrastination | navigated to the file |
| 00:38.20 | procrastination | added wheel line...and it says read only |
| 00:38.45 | stdisease | you don't need to "sudo nautilus" when you're already root |
| 00:38.51 | procrastination | :) |
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| 00:39.01 | stdisease | nautilus would be enough |
| 00:39.41 | procrastination | still i in nautilus under root i open sudoers with text editer and its read only |
| 00:39.52 | stdisease | in a terminal, as root : "chmod u+w /etc/sudoers" |
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| 00:40.12 | stdisease | tells the system that the owner of the file (root) has write permission |
| 00:40.22 | pngwn | man visudo |
| 00:40.47 | procrastination | it says to visudo :) but i dunno what that means haha |
| 00:41.38 | pngwn | procrastination, it means that is what you use to edit the file |
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| 00:42.58 | procrastination | syntax i mean |
| 00:43.28 | stdisease | you either type "visudo" as a command, or the more involved method, "chmod u+w /etc/sudoers" then edit it the file with the editor of your choice |
| 00:45.54 | procrastination | tyler@intel:~$ sudo nautilus |
| 00:45.54 | procrastination | sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440 |
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| 00:46.32 | Holmss | Is there a good wireless managing tool? Or which is the best way to manage wireless networks, i must often change networks with different type of protection. Thanks |
| 00:46.39 | xsamurai | delete my postgresql directory by mistake, trying to reinstall postgresql |
| 00:46.45 | xsamurai | but it wont make the directory by itself ? |
| 00:46.47 | stdisease | oh sudo enforces a mode then :/ |
| 00:46.50 | xsamurai | any help plzzzzzz |
| 00:47.01 | stdisease | ok revert that change back, "chmod u-w /etc/sudoers" |
| 00:47.29 | stdisease | then use visudo |
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| 00:47.39 | procrastination | stddisease...it worked woot |
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| 00:47.53 | stdisease | :) |
| 00:48.01 | xsamurai | anybody ? |
| 00:48.29 | stdisease | you still have to make the wheel group, add yourself to the wheel group, then add the line "%wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL" to /etc/sudoers |
| 00:48.31 | procrastination | ok so why does my file browser open every folder in a new window...especially nautilus |
| 00:48.45 | procrastination | stddisease: done |
| 00:48.54 | stdisease | procrastination: because it's running as another user (root), which has different settings than your regular user account |
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| 00:49.27 | stdisease | configuration data for programs is stored in something <home directory of user>/.<program name>/* |
| 00:49.43 | procrastination | but like if i just go up to places then computer then choose stuff it still opens everything in a new window |
| 00:49.45 | procrastination | driving me crazy |
| 00:50.08 | procrastination | i have like 20 windows open |
| 00:50.32 | stdisease | see if you can find something like Edit/Preferences |
| 00:50.42 | stdisease | you can customize nautilus behavior from there |
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| 00:53.23 | procrastination | fixed that thanks again std...still a few kinks i need to work out with this fresh install |
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| 00:53.32 | procrastination | i should be paying you by the hour |
| 00:53.47 | procrastination | i have no sound |
| 00:53.49 | stdisease | your quite welcome, procrastination |
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| 00:54.21 | stdisease | when playing from the "tyler" account? |
| 00:54.29 | stdisease | see if you can play sound as "root" |
| 00:54.43 | xsamurai | can somebody help me out |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | xsamurai: just ask |
| 00:55.07 | stdisease | he did |
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| 00:55.20 | stdisease | I was busy answering another question tho |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | totally missed it |
| 00:55.45 | xsamurai | abrotman: i deleted my postgresql directory , so i tried to reinstall postgresql but it fails because /var/lib/postgresql doesnt exist |
| 00:55.49 | abrotman | xsamurai: the /var/lib/postgresql/ ? |
| 00:55.55 | stdisease | xsamurai: mkdir <your/postgresql/directory/> |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | it needs to have certain perms IIRC |
| 00:56.14 | xsamurai | tried that |
| 00:56.17 | procrastination | wont play sound at all stdisease |
| 00:56.22 | xsamurai | it doesnt work |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | xsamurai: what's the error ? |
| 00:56.33 | stdisease | procrastination: even as root? hmm |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | $ ls -ld /var/lib/postgresql/ |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | drwxr-xr-x 3 postgres postgres 4096 2007-08-06 11:45 /var/lib/postgresql/ |
| 00:57.00 | procrastination | well how would i test as root...i have no soundfiles on comp...only on network storage |
| 00:57.06 | xsamurai | nada it will just have nothing in main |
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| 00:57.21 | abrotman | xsamurai: how did you reinstall the package ? |
| 00:57.29 | stdisease | procrastination: well what audio players you have installed? |
| 00:57.42 | procrastination | xsamurai: when i had problems with sql or postsql...i think theres is a #postgrsql room if i remember right |
| 00:57.45 | xsamurai | first i purged ,remove and then apt-get install |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | yes .. which package? |
| 00:57.56 | xsamurai | procrastination: its not a postgresql problem |
| 00:58.04 | procrastination | oh sorry |
| 00:58.12 | xsamurai | postgresql-common postgresql-client-8.3 postgresql-client-8.3 postgresql-client-common |
| 00:58.30 | procrastination | rhythmbox is installed and movie player |
| 00:58.54 | procrastination | The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. |
| 00:58.55 | stdisease | ok, "sudo mplayer" |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | xsamurai: you purged/reinstalled postgresql-common ? |
| 00:59.13 | xsamurai | yeah |
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| 01:00.06 | abrotman | this is on etch ? |
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| 01:00.20 | xsamurai | yes |
| 01:00.53 | xsamurai | shouldnt the creation of directories be handled by dpkg |
| 01:01.22 | procrastination | damnit let me download flac first |
| 01:01.28 | stdisease | procrastination: done? |
| 01:01.30 | stdisease | ah ok |
| 01:01.37 | stdisease | lol |
| 01:01.47 | xsamurai | abrotman: any ideas ? |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | xsamurai: it's either in the package itself or the postinst |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | if you try to do it by hand .. what is the error when you start pgsql ? |
| 01:02.30 | xsamurai | there arent any files in main |
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| 01:03.32 | abrotman | sounds like maybe it needs to be re-inited |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | i'd look at the postinst scripts to see what they do |
| 01:03.52 | xsamurai | k |
| 01:03.58 | procrastination | ya stdisease: it wont detect my video card |
| 01:03.59 | xsamurai | what needs to be re-inited ? |
| 01:04.08 | stdisease | sound card |
| 01:04.13 | procrastination | sound card :) |
| 01:04.38 | stdisease | ok, post the output from "lsmod" to pastebin.com |
| 01:04.45 | procrastination | k |
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| 01:06.13 | procrastination | http://pastebin.com/m386c9f94 |
| 01:06.20 | procrastination | i can link you to the motherboard i have |
| 01:06.26 | procrastination | its got intrigrated sound if that matters |
| 01:06.32 | procrastination | pretty decent sound though |
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| 01:07.49 | stdisease | procrastination: alsa modules and the driver for your sound card aren't loaded |
| 01:08.05 | Ian_Daniher | anyone know how [dis]similar a BASH shell script and a makefile are? |
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| 01:08.25 | Ian_Daniher | I'd like to convert a makefile to a shell script for use with an x86 embedded system |
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| 01:08.34 | Ian_Daniher | well, make isn't *that* big |
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| 01:08.57 | procrastination | stdisease: can we sidetrack for a bit...i have to get firefox...but when i try to install it in syptnatic i get this: firefox: |
| 01:08.58 | procrastination | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:09.05 | procrastination | do i need to add something to source.list? |
| 01:09.42 | stdisease | well, Ian_Daniher, if your make file has "target: dep\n<rules>" you just copy rules to a new file, add "#!/bin/sh" on the first line and you're done |
| 01:10.19 | stdisease | procrastination: not that I remember, just apt-get install iceweasel |
| 01:10.21 | Ian_Daniher | hmmm |
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| 01:10.31 | procrastination | what is iceweasel lol |
| 01:10.37 | procrastination | isnt that a alpha or beta? |
| 01:10.41 | stdisease | firefox, just another name |
| 01:10.46 | stdisease | nope |
| 01:10.50 | Ian_Daniher | procrastination: it's the debian metapackage for firefox |
| 01:10.51 | stdisease | a `debian' thing, lol |
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| 01:11.04 | Gm4n | it's firefox with free artwork |
| 01:11.11 | procrastination | wait wtf i already have iceweasel...this is firefox |
| 01:11.12 | procrastination | no way |
| 01:11.31 | procrastination | who the hell changed the name to iceweasel lofl |
| 01:11.40 | Gm4n | fire -> ice, fox -> weasel |
| 01:11.43 | stdisease | lol, told you it's a debian thing |
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| 01:11.54 | stdisease | confused me too at first |
| 01:11.59 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 01:12.00 | Gm4n | it's the browser, but with GPL-compliant art |
| 01:12.30 | johnfg | Does anyone have debian nfs set up effectively with windows xp pro as an nfs client? |
| 01:12.32 | procrastination | so about that sound card...its manufactured by gigabyte...do u think they have linux drivers posted |
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| 01:13.10 | stdisease | johnfg: setting up windows as the nfs client is the hard part |
| 01:13.14 | procrastination | why dont you just do samba shares? |
| 01:13.18 | stdisease | not really hard but |
| 01:13.35 | stdisease | the clients out there are either commercial or of bad quality |
| 01:13.43 | johnfg | stdisease: I think I've got it done, with SFU. |
| 01:14.12 | johnfg | procrastination: I do use samba some, but I think there's some real positive reasons to get nfs working on win xp. |
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| 01:14.23 | De_Mon | I've got nfs setup but not with windowsxp |
| 01:14.31 | johnfg | stdisease: Have you got any pointers on the win xp side? |
| 01:14.35 | stdisease | oh yes and theres the SFU alternative |
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| 01:15.02 | procrastination | yeah..ive never used nfs...if im sharing files between a ubuntu server and a debian client should i use nfs instead of smb? and if so is that hard to setup |
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| 01:15.59 | L4m3r | I'm trying to install for the nth time... having raid issues. For some reason, the installer "remembers" my raid config when I remake my partitions. |
| 01:16.13 | L4m3r | the installer won't let me use the old array, or remove it |
| 01:16.19 | stdisease | nfs isn't that hard to setup at all |
| 01:16.32 | stdisease | easy to setup a server, even easier to setup the client |
| 01:16.35 | procrastination | cause when i had both ubuntu computers i couldnt get it working |
| 01:16.38 | L4m3r | I've tried wiping the disks, no luck |
| 01:16.57 | stdisease | doesn't matter which distros are hosting each |
| 01:17.26 | procrastination | cause smb screws up a lot i noticed |
| 01:18.05 | stdisease | smb is obsolete these days in favor of 'CIFS', or so I hear, I use neither personally |
| 01:18.16 | Gm4n | cifs? what's this? |
| 01:18.43 | johnfg | procrastination: Well, at this point, I'd say no, due to the fact that I can't get nfs working between debian and win xp pro, but have samba. |
| 01:18.59 | johnfg | Are you wanting to share with a windows box, too? |
| 01:19.15 | stdisease | cifs: the new generation SMB, the linux kernel config says |
| 01:19.24 | procrastination | nope...well i have windows dual booting on the client...but im never in windows...only for crysis |
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| 01:19.55 | procrastination | stdisease: im getting the specs on my mobo stand by |
| 01:20.15 | marc7 | what do you do when you have absolutely no desire to install x11-related packages on a consoleless server... but one or more debian packages list it as a dependency? |
| 01:20.19 | johnfg | Yeah, I have some programs on a couple of windows boxes that I have to be able to run. Not much choice. I'm sure that nfs would do the task of sharing more efficiently if I can just figure it out. |
| 01:20.50 | procrastination | yeah..i think i originally tried on windows to johnfg but i gave up |
| 01:21.04 | stdisease | marc7: compile from source |
| 01:21.11 | procrastination | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128331 ok heres my mobo....someone plz help me get my sound going :) |
| 01:21.15 | stdisease | disable x11 dependencies |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | marc7: you're probably misreading the dependencies .. and stdisease doesn't know that |
| 01:21.34 | johnfg | stdisease: So, have you gotten nfs client able to connect to a debian nfs server, i.e., from win to debian? |
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| 01:21.50 | johnfg | Anyone else accomplish this? |
| 01:21.54 | procrastination | no i havent |
| 01:21.55 | procrastination | sorry |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | marc7: what packages do you not want to install ? |
| 01:22.14 | stdisease | johnfg: right, but it wasn't a debian nfs server |
| 01:22.30 | stdisease | distros don't differer much when it comes to that |
| 01:22.44 | johnfg | stdisease: OK, shouldn't matter. Are you able to share the specifics of your win setup? |
| 01:23.01 | dudeman | ugh |
| 01:23.02 | dudeman | what |
| 01:23.03 | dudeman | why |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | enter! |
| 01:23.12 | johnfg | I agree about the distros, especially any that are debian based. |
| 01:23.19 | dudeman | oh you |
| 01:23.26 | dudeman | wait how the hell did this window turn into #debian? |
| 01:23.31 | dudeman | wtf is going on in my irc! |
| 01:23.37 | procrastination | haha dudeman |
| 01:23.48 | dudeman | ohhh I /wc a window and it moved over |
| 01:23.49 | marc7 | abrotman: i'm trying to install rrdtool-1.3 which uses libpango/libcairo... so naturally those come with all the x11 deps... essentially I've just got it in my head that there's absolutely no business for X to be installed on a server. minimalism and security are the big reasons for both. |
| 01:24.01 | dudeman | oh that is retarded, /me turns on /immortal on |
| 01:24.04 | abrotman | marc7: which packages explicitly .. they're likely just libraries |
| 01:24.06 | dudeman | bye |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | marc7: and x11-common |
| 01:24.23 | stdisease | actually I dont remember how I set it up, that was a while ago |
| 01:24.32 | johnfg | gettin' called to supper, be right back... |
| 01:24.35 | stdisease | but I think microsoft's own kb has something |
| 01:24.55 | johnfg | stdisease: Not much, and not much helpful. |
| 01:25.17 | marc7 | libx11-6 libx11-data libx11-dev x11-common x11proto-core-dev x11proto-input-dev x11proto-kb-dev x11proto-render-dev x11proto-xext-dev xtrans-dev and a bunch of others |
| 01:25.39 | L4m3r | ugh, is there something I can do to my drives to make the Debian installer stop adding them to an array automatically? |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | marc7: nothing wrong there .. just libraries |
| 01:26.37 | marc7 | abrotman: i feel like i am tainting the server by installing 'em. :) |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | marc7: it's not going to run X |
| 01:27.02 | marc7 | oh of course not, no xdm/gdm or anything of the sort |
| 01:27.30 | marc7 | but honestly, I think it's a callback to ancient security policies... not having anything unnecessary in inetd.conf, old stuff. |
| 01:27.41 | marc7 | i just don't want any more vectors for the system to be compromised than necessary |
| 01:27.49 | marc7 | but having libraries installed on the system won't change that. |
| 01:27.52 | procrastination | ALC889A is what i need to get working for my sound |
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| 01:28.53 | dondelelcaro | those libraries are needed to use remote X too, so having them installed is relatively valid |
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| 01:30.57 | marc7 | not in the context of being a valid security concern, but valid as in "yeah, these libs have business in being on a server" |
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| 01:34.25 | curtmack | why do I not have /dev/snd/seq? |
| 01:35.07 | curtmack | or better question, how can I solve that problem? |
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| 01:41.57 | Zambezi | clear |
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| 01:43.13 | curtmack | never mind on that |
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| 01:54.16 | Gnurdux | can you make a pipe that pipes both programs into each other? |
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| 01:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... grep xyz file | sed 's/a/b/' |grep bla |sed 's/b/a/' |
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| 01:58.20 | supermario | how do i check where is each part memory allocated for ? |
| 01:59.16 | jaggz- | how do I list items held back from updating? |
| 01:59.28 | jaggz- | iceweasel is saving files with double extensions... foo.zip.zip |
| 01:59.29 | supermario | like the Task Manager -> process in windows ? |
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| 01:59.46 | abrotman | supermario: top ? |
| 01:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | supermario, ? |
| 01:59.53 | jaggz- | supermario, run top in shell? probably a gui type thing as well |
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| 02:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz-, just run apt-get upgrade and look at the output (you can then answer "no" when asked if you really want to upgrade) |
| 02:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Oct 22 02:23:23 <jaggz1> anyone else experiencing iceweasel adding double extensions when saving? (.zip.zip) |
| 02:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, *still* not |
| 02:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | deja-vue |
| 02:03.27 | jaggz- | your chatlog would have dejavu too :) |
| 02:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 02:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | without the log I'd have thought it's gophers-day and/or I'm going nuts |
| 02:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | so hooray for chatlogs |
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| 02:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course hooray for boobies |
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| 02:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops s/gopher/groundhog/ |
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| 02:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, my own monologues sometimes remind me of Nyle |
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| 02:09.00 | dancor | is it possible to specify the 'hw:1,0' part of 'arecord -f cd -D hw:1,0 lol.wav' to sphinx2-continuous (or sphinx2-demo)? |
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| 02:15.12 | SimonAdameit | Good morning everybody! |
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| 02:17.22 | SimonAdameit | I have a problem with java, I have installed netbeans, but when I start it I just get a grey screen, no gui elements. The title of the window is "License Agreement" |
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| 02:18.11 | SimonAdameit | Any idea why that could be? |
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| 02:35.46 | procrastination | so my computer failed to start because i had a usb bluetooth dongle in the front usbs instead of the back |
| 02:35.48 | procrastination | how stupid is that |
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| 02:36.58 | Multiply | Is there a program like htop, which can see nettraffic? |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | iftop |
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| 02:38.18 | Multiply | Trying them, thanks. |
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| 02:41.23 | ham5 | can there be such thing as debian with bleeding edge software, like the new gnome 2.24, or do I have to use a counterpart os? |
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| 02:42.53 | abrotman | ham5: after lenny releases .. i'm sure 2.24 will be in testing in a decent timeframe |
| 02:43.15 | ham5 | :\ |
| 02:43.24 | CapaH | Question, does anyone here know how to cause it so that icons on the gnome desktop do NOT have the name of the file below them? I want just the image but not the name. |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | CapaH: how would you know what it is then ? |
| 02:44.46 | CapaH | I know what they are :) |
| 02:45.26 | CapaH | I want the graphic thumbnail but not the filename |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | CapaH: i'd ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | i don't see a way |
| 02:46.03 | procrastination | so installing sound drivers for ALC889A...anyone got any ideas |
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| 02:47.17 | dudeman | man I hope my new work pc has intel gfx |
| 02:47.30 | adb | CapaH: System> Preferences> Apparences> Interface |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | adb: i don't see an option to turn off the text |
| 02:48.12 | adb | > Toolbar Button Labels |
| 02:48.16 | CapaH | adb: Nope - but its on the right track -- tried that |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | adb: he means the actual icons on the desktop/folders |
| 02:48.56 | adb | Icons only |
| 02:49.30 | CapaH | Unfortunately it affects toolbars only |
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| 02:49.35 | CapaH | not the desktop |
| 02:49.50 | adb | ok |
| 02:50.14 | rubyat | can the title be deleted under properties...? |
| 02:51.17 | CapaH | nope |
| 02:51.31 | SimonAdameit | Hi, cannot use the AWT XToolkit for java, because it does not work with my window manager. When I set MToolkit though, nothing appears at all. I think this is, because I do not have motif libraries. What should I install to make this work? |
| 02:51.33 | LemensTS | can you rename it without characters? or settle with renaming it with a . |
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| 03:31.22 | SimonAdameit | How can I get netbeans to use sun-jdk instead of openjdk? |
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| 03:34.14 | procrastination | whats the command to restart xserver without restarting |
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| 03:34.46 | abrotman | you restart gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 03:35.04 | procrastination | via what command |
| 03:35.11 | procrastination | im in gnome |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 03:44.59 | pobega | ANyone think they can help me out? http://marc.info/?l=debianac-user&m=122479902518106&w=2 |
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| 03:48.00 | [o | http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=6d7639f03d376244b8b57b439b8a555e |
| 03:48.03 | [o | nice! |
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| 04:21.55 | procrastination | i there a way to ad a sidebar with just links to websites? |
| 04:23.14 | procrastination | like add links to a gnome bar or panel? |
| 04:24.14 | hoxu | procrastination, if you can put normal shortcuts in a sidebar, then I guess yes |
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| 04:24.41 | procrastination | how would i make that shortcut though |
| 04:24.47 | procrastination | what would i put for the command? |
| 04:26.30 | hoxu | procrastination, in KDE you can just create "Link to Location (URL)", I don't know if there's something similar in gnome, but you can at least use "firefox <url>" or whatever browser you are using |
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| 04:29.17 | ameyer | hoxu: you mean "iceweasel <url>" (although I *think* firefox works for compatibility reasons) |
| 04:29.52 | hoxu | ameyer, firefox is symlinked, yes :) |
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| 04:44.50 | eldereko | can you install using debootstrap on a fat32 partition? |
| 04:45.35 | erawfish | no |
| 04:45.47 | erawfish | you can never install on fat partitions |
| 04:46.48 | eldereko | that's what I thought... thanks erawfish |
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| 04:52.55 | ameyer | that's not entirely true, I don't believe |
| 04:53.15 | ameyer | IIRC most USB live images are on FAT |
| 04:53.27 | ameyer | there's nasty hacks involved, though |
| 04:54.37 | ameyer | points out that fat32 is an extremely craptastic filesystem |
| 04:54.53 | Supaplex | quite |
| 04:55.08 | Supaplex | !pal fat32 |
| 04:55.08 | dpkg | points at fat32 and laughs uproariously |
| 04:55.13 | ameyer | glares at /media/disk-2/ where a horribly corrupted fat partition is mounted |
| 04:55.45 | ameyer | I've got directories that are apparently both empty and not empty at the same time |
| 04:56.03 | ameyer | really should reformat that usb stick to ext3 |
| 04:56.56 | ameyer | also didn't think of various features that FAT* doesn't implement |
| 04:57.08 | ameyer | like permissions, symlinks, etc |
| 04:57.21 | ameyer | oh, and not corrupting if you get a bus reset |
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| 05:06.17 | Sazpaimon_ | scp -p isn't preserving permissions of files I'l pushing to another server |
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| 05:10.44 | Supaplex | Sazpaimon_: I use rsync -a for that. |
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| 05:11.12 | slim_ | hello all, i have a problem in apt http://phpfi.com/368797 how to fix it ? |
| 05:11.29 | Sazpaimon_ | Supaplex, rsync -avz -e ssh right? |
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| 05:13.13 | Supaplex | -e ssh is implied |
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| 05:13.27 | Supaplex | usually -avPx |
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| 05:14.51 | Sazpaimon_ | why not -z |
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| 05:54.21 | dudeman | Supaplex, hi |
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| 05:55.00 | DGnome | Hey! Anybody seen weird graph behaviour in cacti on Etch when venturing beyond 100Mbit interface speeds, not just the normal modulo 114 32bit counter issue but, with the result being graphs ending in mid air when there is more than 80Mbit/s traffic? I'm trying to find someone else with similar issues to try to track down the problem... |
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| 05:58.27 | grendal_prime | i need a shortcut key to minimize all the running apps on my desktop somthing i can bind to the the middle mouse button |
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| 06:03.27 | _2 | i'm looking for the shadow package and not seeing anything by that name, what am i missing ? |
| 06:05.28 | _2 | or if that's not what i really want, then what is it that checks the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files for you ? |
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| 06:07.46 | _2 | is the whole channel asleep ? |
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| 06:09.33 | Supaplex | dudeman: ? |
| 06:10.06 | Supaplex | !tell _2 about apt-file |
| 06:11.37 | _2 | Supaplex that helps me how ? |
| 06:11.57 | Supaplex | sorry, misread your question |
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| 06:12.05 | Supaplex | I thought you knew the name of the program |
| 06:12.13 | Supaplex | er, binary etc. |
| 06:12.46 | _2 | Supaplex i know about apt-cache search and i'm not seeing a package shadow* do you have such thing? it could be my sources.list ? |
| 06:13.07 | Supaplex | i really don't know |
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| 06:13.23 | Supaplex | I don't know what would check those files for ... whatever... |
| 06:13.34 | _2 | apt-cache search shadow | grep shadow |
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| 06:16.42 | _2 | and the ... whatever... = a minimal set of user and group accounts. err maybe not minimal but the standard ones. |
| 06:17.15 | Supaplex | !+info systraq |
| 06:17.17 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 06:17.50 | mespejel | hi one question |
| 06:17.51 | dpkg | systraq: (monitor your system and warn when system files change), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20070301-4 (sid), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 545 kB |
| 06:17.57 | mespejel | anyone know if palm os is linux based? |
| 06:18.02 | mespejel | or is completely different |
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| 06:19.15 | nocte | hey |
| 06:19.18 | nocte | stew: here ? |
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| 06:23.29 | ricosecada | I have a variable called $output_type, if I give it the value "html", and test it like this: if ($output_type == "html"), the if fails. What am I doing wrong here? |
| 06:24.08 | Supaplex | ricosecada: php? bash? perl? python? |
| 06:24.19 | ricosecada | Ah, sorry wrong channel! |
| 06:24.20 | Supaplex | might be more suited for a dedicated scripting/language channel. |
| 06:24.26 | Supaplex | :) |
| 06:24.31 | ricosecada | habit to type debian lol |
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| 06:25.33 | _2 | ricosecada quote the var and use one = [ html = "$var_here" ] ;then |
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| 06:34.22 | blast_hardcheese | How long do unix sockets usually take to time out (before you can reopen them?) |
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| 06:35.53 | TiMiDo | blast_hardcheese, about 5 to 10 minutes |
| 06:36.34 | blast_hardcheese | hmm. |
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| 06:37.59 | audacious | hi all I hev problem install audacious on my Debian rc4a4 why is help me? |
| 06:38.18 | TiMiDo | audacious, well what error are you getting though? |
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| 06:39.14 | audacious | TiMiDo: yes.... I download this pak http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/audacious/download |
| 06:39.33 | audacious | and enter dpkg -i for root |
| 06:39.57 | TiMiDo | audacious, dude just do apt-get install audacious |
| 06:40.41 | blast_hardcheese | Wouldn't it recurse infinitely if he was trying to install himself? |
| 06:41.02 | TiMiDo | blast_hardcheese, that's why you have apt for. |
| 06:41.32 | TiMiDo | kisses apt |
| 06:41.54 | audacious | TiMiDo shov me please http link on server, source.list |
| 06:42.56 | TiMiDo | audacious, hmm i have something like this deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 06:43.14 | audacious | i use Eth |
| 06:43.38 | audacious | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ eth main == true ? |
| 06:43.45 | TiMiDo | well get some etch sources.list |
| 06:44.13 | TiMiDo | audacious, why even bother using etch? are you running a server or something? |
| 06:44.26 | _2 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:44.27 | _2 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 06:44.42 | _2 | does that look like it would cover most things ? |
| 06:45.08 | audacious | TiMiDo nooo, this laptop system |
| 06:45.20 | audacious | i like stable system |
| 06:45.57 | _2 | i'm with audacious on that. stable > new |
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| 06:46.49 | TiMiDo | hmm okey |
| 06:46.50 | TiMiDo | cool |
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| 06:52.51 | d-b | hi can some one delete apts factoid of "apt no windows" |
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| 06:56.27 | audacious | TiMiDo: change source.list, enter comand apt-get update and apt-get install audacious, and again error (( |
| 06:56.35 | audacious | Package audacious is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:56.53 | TiMiDo | audacious, do apt-get --purge audacious |
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| 06:57.16 | _2 | TiMiDo that will fail |
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| 06:57.42 | _2 | timido audacious is not an operator |
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| 06:58.00 | mxmx | is there a command to make a txt file out of a directory content? |
| 06:58.34 | _2 | mxmx echo * > filename.txt |
| 06:58.35 | nickname | mxmx: what content like file names? |
| 06:58.43 | audacious | TiMiDo: E: Invalid operation audacious |
| 06:58.48 | mxmx | yeah |
| 06:58.58 | mxmx | i jsut need a text with the files names |
| 06:59.08 | TiMiDo | audacious, man apt |
| 06:59.24 | nickname | ls > txtile |
| 07:00.13 | mxmx | txt file? |
| 07:00.31 | binarymutant | whatever you want to name your text file |
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| 07:00.53 | binarymutant | mxmx: ls > something |
| 07:01.03 | mxmx | ok |
| 07:01.07 | audacious | TiMiDo and ? |
| 07:01.46 | _2 | so nobody likes echo * pfft. |
| 07:02.37 | mxmx | awesoem |
| 07:02.38 | mxmx | thanks |
| 07:03.13 | _2 | mxmx if you want to include hidden files ls -A1 > filename.txt |
| 07:03.22 | mxmx | ok |
| 07:03.32 | mxmx | msut eb capital A? |
| 07:03.52 | _2 | only if you don't want . and .. to show up |
| 07:04.07 | _2 | which you probably dont |
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| 07:07.57 | BetaTest | Where can I find the latest Gnome Debian? |
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| 07:08.19 | binarymutant | do you want to compile it or no BetaTest ? |
| 07:08.20 | Guerin | BetaTest: cdimage.debian.org |
| 07:08.26 | Guerin | that'd be a no |
| 07:08.30 | Guerin | nobody wants to compile gnome |
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| 07:08.38 | binarymutant | someone has to :) |
| 07:08.43 | Guerin | one person |
| 07:08.46 | binarymutant | lol |
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| 07:08.51 | Guerin | everyone else should pay that person for the pain |
| 07:08.55 | binarymutant | per distro makes like 10 |
| 07:08.56 | TiMiDo | BetaTest, i believed so in sid |
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| 07:09.38 | BetaTest | Please excuse the slow typing I had an operation and my right hand so I can't use it |
| 07:09.42 | BetaTest | And I'm left handed :/ |
| 07:10.17 | BetaTest | Anyway, I think I'd be much happier not compiling it |
| 07:10.25 | binarymutant | :) |
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| 07:11.14 | Lagbolt | anyone ever try using a SATA multiplier in debian with any success? |
| 07:12.00 | Supaplex | uhhh multiplier? |
| 07:12.13 | Lagbolt | Supaplex, http://www.cooldrives.com/cosapomubrso.html |
| 07:12.35 | Lagbolt | Supaplex, lot of external storage options. supposed to be able to do hardware raid 0 with full 3Gb/s |
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| 07:12.51 | Lagbolt | Supaplex, this is the hardware raid one http://www.datoptic.com/cgi-bin/web.cgi?product=RAID_PM&detail=yes |
| 07:13.05 | Lagbolt | claims to be linux compat. just wondering if anyone has tried it out in debian |
| 07:13.40 | Supaplex | it says it's suppose to be transparent |
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| 07:14.29 | Lagbolt | Supaplex, yeah supposed. i figure it is fine i just was curious if anyone has speed tested it. on paper and in practice are 2 diff |
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| 07:18.19 | Supaplex | Lagbolt: looks very cool. I'll have to bookmark this. :) |
| 07:19.01 | Lagbolt | Supaplex, there are tons of great options. you can get multilane cables as well. check out http://www.cooldrives.com/usb20cdrwdvd.html |
| 07:19.03 | Lagbolt | scroll down! |
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| 07:20.42 | superjoe30 | what happens after I use fwcutter to -w stuff to /lib/firmware and modprobe the b43 driver? my network interface isn't up even though dmesg output says Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ <features> ] |
| 07:21.58 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, did you ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 07:22.08 | Lagbolt | just loading the module doesnt bring up the interface |
| 07:22.34 | superjoe30 | my wireless is eth1 |
| 07:22.44 | _2 | handy: lshw -C disk | grep -E 'capacity|name|description' |
| 07:22.46 | TiMiDo | superjoe30, that's impossible |
| 07:22.47 | Lagbolt | then use eth1 |
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| 07:23.11 | superjoe30 | SOICSIFADDR: no such device. |
| 07:23.28 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 07:23.33 | superjoe30 | well when I use the wl.ko proprietary driver, that's my interface |
| 07:23.48 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, type "iwconfig" |
| 07:24.05 | superjoe30 | lo, no wireless extensions. eth0, no wireless extensions |
| 07:24.16 | superjoe30 | I can reinstall broadcom's proprietary driver and show you the output if you wish |
| 07:24.20 | Lagbolt | hmm and you have dmesg output saying it is loaded? |
| 07:24.25 | superjoe30 | http://blah.pastebin.com/m31308f6a |
| 07:24.26 | Lagbolt | i dotn care about proprietary |
| 07:24.29 | Lagbolt | i have broadcom |
| 07:25.14 | Lagbolt | what is your card? 43?? |
| 07:25.37 | superjoe30 | bcm4312 rev 01 |
| 07:25.46 | binarymutant | superjoe30: pastebin lsmod |
| 07:26.25 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, did the firmware install to /lib/firmware/b43 |
| 07:26.33 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, yes |
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| 07:26.52 | superjoe30 | I'm good using the wl_apsta ones that it downloads when you install the debian package right? |
| 07:26.57 | warhead | I need good wordlist, any idea where to find? |
| 07:27.10 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, what kernel? |
| 07:27.20 | superjoe30 | warhead, search google for dictionary.txt, I found a good one from java on there |
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| 07:27.44 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 07:28.10 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, and you got firmware from where? linuxwireless.org? |
| 07:28.25 | superjoe30 | from the one debian automatically asks me to download |
| 07:28.27 | superjoe30 | it was pretty handy |
| 07:28.34 | superjoe30 | I'll look up the address |
| 07:29.00 | Lagbolt | that might not be proper firmware |
| 07:29.00 | Lagbolt | for that kernel |
| 07:29.00 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 07:29.07 | warhead | superjoe30, Google give me small list... |
| 07:29.14 | superjoe30 | binarymutant, http://blah.pastebin.com/m9baa873 |
| 07:29.29 | superjoe30 | warhead, http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/collections/interfaces/examples/dictionary.txt |
| 07:29.54 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, was your firmware version 4.150? |
| 07:29.58 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, yeah that's where I got it from |
| 07:30.30 | binarymutant | superjoe30: did you try the b43xx-fwcutter or b43-fwcutter? |
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| 07:30.42 | superjoe30 | b43-fwcutter |
| 07:30.45 | superjoe30 | I heard the old one was deprecated |
| 07:31.08 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, yes it was 4.150 |
| 07:31.09 | binarymutant | the older one was the one I got to work but idk, I still had problems with broadcom |
| 07:31.30 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, and you removed the module before installing firmware? |
| 07:31.37 | superjoe30 | I rmmod'd it |
| 07:31.45 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, is there more to removing it? |
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| 07:32.06 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, nope, rmmod b43 should work. dont think you need to take ssb out |
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| 07:33.03 | _2 | anyone recall off hand the package installation that checks /etc/passwd for the default accounts, and adds as needed? |
| 07:33.45 | superjoe30 | http://blah.pastebin.com/m870eea5 |
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| 07:33.52 | superjoe30 | ^^ eth1 |
| 07:34.08 | _2 | i wanted to reinstall it (assumes it's installed) to see what all i'm missing. wc -l /etc/passwd |
| 07:34.08 | _2 | 16 /etc/passwd |
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| 07:34.26 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, is there any reason you dont want to use that driver? |
| 07:35.01 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, is that the only module with the proprietary? and did you remove it and any others before using b43? |
| 07:35.26 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, yeah, it works well, but I want to install the aircrack suite |
| 07:35.32 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, is it possible that the propriet driver causes some trouble to conflict with b43? maybe it needs a coldreboot? |
| 07:35.45 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, I never tried a cold reboot. let me try that. |
| 07:35.55 | procrastination | hey can somebody help me with a nfs share issue...its an ubuntu server and its a debian client...when i try to mount it i get a permission denied: reason given by server |
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| 07:36.24 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, just a shot in the dark. i had a problem with my audio and windows/linux dual boot that cold reboot needed. some register got set or something. was annoying |
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| 07:36.34 | binarymutant | procrastination: sudo mount? |
| 07:36.38 | Sazpaimon_ | how do i have rsync not upload files that arent the same size |
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| 07:36.45 | Sazpaimon_ | err |
| 07:36.50 | Sazpaimon_ | let me try that again |
| 07:36.52 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, if I rmmod wl and depmod -a, will that prevent wl from coming up on reboot? |
| 07:36.55 | procrastination | tried that binarymutant |
| 07:36.56 | Sazpaimon_ | how do i have rsync not upload files that are the same size |
| 07:37.04 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, you can blacklist it |
| 07:37.10 | superjoe30 | oh yeha |
| 07:37.20 | Lagbolt | its not in initramfs is it? |
| 07:37.26 | Sazpaimon_ | or does rsync do that on its own |
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| 07:37.29 | Lagbolt | if it is you will have to remove it from there too |
| 07:37.31 | procrastination | permission denied bt the SERVER |
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| 07:38.02 | Lagbolt | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 07:38.02 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs is probably If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 07:38.48 | superjoe30 | kthanks |
| 07:38.53 | procrastination | anybody i can provide my exports file |
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| 07:40.00 | _2 | does passwd have shadow built in in debian etch ? |
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| 07:42.59 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, reboot solved nothing |
| 07:42.59 | procrastination | can i summon somebody for help with a nfs share issue |
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| 07:43.34 | stanlin | hi |
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| 07:43.49 | _2 | hmm i guess it does. but that package doesn't affect the /etc/passwd file so i'm still at a loss. |
| 07:43.49 | stanlin | what is the best way to configure ATI drivers, drivers from ATI? |
| 07:44.08 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, is the usual procedure done after you use b43-fwcutter and then modprobe b43? |
| 07:44.13 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, can you pastebin lspci? does it give an error if you load the module without the firmware |
| 07:44.44 | Lagbolt | yeah, install firmware then modules should be cool. i have a 4311 and it works fine |
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| 07:45.19 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, how do I load it without firmware, just delete the stuff in /lib/firmware? |
| 07:45.27 | stanlin | ok installing modules then |
| 07:45.31 | stanlin | sudo reboot |
| 07:45.44 | Lagbolt | just delete b43 in /lib/firmware |
| 07:45.45 | superjoe30 | lspci - Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 07:46.03 | extor | I did an apt-cdrom add but it said it failed to mount the cdrom...however I already have the cdrom mounted. I am running in vmware btw |
| 07:46.30 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, it didn't complain at all |
| 07:46.32 | superjoe30 | that's odd |
| 07:47.24 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, can you pastebin lspci? |
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| 07:48.48 | _2 | heh so /sbin/reboot is a symlink to /sbin/halt which calls /sbin/shutdown -r hehhe and i thought i was convoluted. |
| 07:49.31 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, lspci - http://blah.pastebin.com/m5e45d9fd |
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| 07:53.11 | _2 | oh did i neglect to mention that shutdown -r simply calls init 6 ;/ |
| 07:53.18 | Lagbolt | hmm not sure. just googling around for info on the 4312. i think it should be supported |
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| 07:54.25 | superjoe30 | sucks when there's not even an error message |
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| 07:57.14 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, from linuxwireless.org: The 802.11a part of the 4309 and 4312 is not supported. |
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| 07:57.34 | superjoe30 | it should still show up as an interface though right? |
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| 07:58.55 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, i saw that. not sure |
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| 07:59.02 | Lagbolt | i assume so |
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| 07:59.50 | BubbaT | I'm having a problem running apt-get. I get a message /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. When I look... |
| 08:00.04 | BubbaT | /var/lib/apt is missing. |
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| 08:00.09 | adv | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.17 | BubbaT | How can I repair things? |
| 08:00.24 | Guerin | BubbaT: reinstall, or /msg dpkg lost var |
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| 08:00.36 | Guerin | BubbaT: warning: not for the faint of brain |
| 08:02.29 | binarymutant | adv: adv with an app called quota you can I think |
| 08:02.42 | _2 | writes a script... " /bin/echo -e '#!/bin/sh n [ stop = `basename $0` ] && poweroff n[ restart = `basename $0` ] && reboot' > my_script.sh ;chmod 755 my_script.sh ;ln -s my_script.sh restart ;ln -s my_script.sh stop " just so he can have a different command to do init [0,6] with.... |
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| 08:03.10 | Guerin | __coredump__: if you'd just asked you could have borrowed my wheel |
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| 08:03.15 | Guerin | err |
| 08:03.16 | Guerin | fail |
| 08:03.36 | Kingstone | hi guys, i have a question about dpkg. if i have a currently installed package and i want to upgrade but i want to do it manually. like say i have package on version 1.1 and i want to update it to 1.2 |
| 08:03.41 | Kingstone | i can do apt-get -u |
| 08:03.59 | Kingstone | but my question is, if i already have the 1.2 deb file, would it be enough to do dpkg -i 1.2.deb ? |
| 08:04.08 | Kingstone | will the result be the same? |
| 08:04.15 | BubbaT | Guerin, thanks. I figure since /var/lib/apt is about 1/20th of /var I only for 1/20th of my brain not be faint. |
| 08:04.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:04.27 | Guerin | good luck with that :) |
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| 08:05.55 | Kingstone | anyone knows...? |
| 08:06.32 | Guerin | Kingstone: generally unwise. Try a dry run first. |
| 08:06.50 | Kingstone | a dry run you mean apt-get -u ? |
| 08:07.45 | Kingstone | also one last thing, if i change /var/lib/dpkg/avialable file to have the package version edited to 1.2 and install it all by myself, will it work? |
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| 08:07.50 | Kingstone | consider i know how to install it |
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| 08:08.04 | Kingstone | the fact is i want to upgrade a package with me downloading it and not apt-get |
| 08:08.29 | Guerin | you're on your own with this one |
| 08:08.38 | Guerin | manually trying to out-think apt is a risky business. |
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| 08:09.20 | Kingstone | ok so i'll ask on another perspective, do you know how can i control apt by programming code? so i can get feedback for the download |
| 08:09.28 | Kingstone | and not just run a single command.. |
| 08:09.38 | DIFH-iceroot | hi, i am not sure if apticron is working correctyl, today i get a lot of updates http://rafb.net/p/VWX5kR19.html but if i am looking at the dates, the fixes are very old, so is my aptocrn working not correctly or were these updates all done/uploaded today? i am using etch stable |
| 08:09.54 | Guerin | Kingstone: what do you mean with `by programming code'? |
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| 08:10.43 | kantor | hi |
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| 08:11.04 | Kingstone | control app abilities by issuing executable code of my own |
| 08:11.12 | kantor | where can I see the current bug status of the upcoming lenny ? |
| 08:11.15 | Kingstone | like interfacing with it on a binary code level |
| 08:11.15 | Guerin | Kingstone: good luck with that. |
| 08:11.30 | Kingstone | but i've heard it is possible, there are libraries for apt, right? |
| 08:11.34 | Kingstone | C/C++ libraries |
| 08:11.38 | Guerin | Kingstone: sounds like you're strapped to the front of the fast train to Fuckupsville |
| 08:12.23 | PiousMinion | To go from etch to etchnhalf... do I just change all instnces of "etch" in sources.list to "etchnhalf" and update/upgrade? |
| 08:12.41 | Kingstone | i have my application and i count on apt to update it but i want to update it by myself using a nice gui and all showing your download/install, that's all |
| 08:13.26 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, dunno man, icant find anything. |
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| 08:13.50 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, thanks for checking... guess I won't be intercepting anybody's packets for a while |
| 08:14.03 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, would that workwith ndiswrapper? |
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| 08:14.38 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, Never |
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| 08:15.37 | Lagbolt | crud its 415. i need to go to the gym and get some sleep. |
| 08:15.39 | Lagbolt | later dude |
| 08:15.50 | ameyer | PiousMinion: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 08:15.50 | Kingstone | what's the different between available file and status file in /var/lib/dpkg? |
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| 08:17.05 | Neaai | I'm installing the required packages to use horde3/imp4 as webmail. It requires mysql server which is normal, but the mysql server then requests exim4 and mailx, which I don't want. I it normal that mysql-server depends on exim4-daemon-light ? |
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| 08:17.22 | Neaai | (is it*) |
| 08:17.26 | PiousMinion | ameyer: that information is quite outdated and doesn't answer my question. |
| 08:18.15 | ameyer | PiousMinion: what part of "Simply add the etch-proposed-updates sources after the etch main sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list" doesn't answer your question |
| 08:18.25 | ameyer | other than the possible "it doesn't work" |
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| 08:19.14 | PiousMinion | ameyer: that part above it stating that it's to "install Etch And A Half before it's released" if you must know. |
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| 08:20.50 | ameyer | PiousMinion: whoops |
| 08:20.56 | ameyer | PiousMinion: sorry about that |
| 08:20.57 | PiousMinion | hehe :P |
| 08:21.20 | PiousMinion | np, just kind of stumped. |
| 08:21.49 | ameyer | should go to bed before he accidentally suggests the equivalent of a (WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT)rm -rf /(END WARNING) to someone |
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| 08:22.26 | nocte | hmmmm |
| 08:22.39 | nocte | c# ssh 2a01:e0b:3:e:1:e0:81b3:f90b |
| 08:22.39 | nocte | ssh: connect to host 2a01:e0b:3:e:1:e0:81b3:f90b port 22: Network is unreachable |
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| 08:22.53 | nocte | # route -6 |
| 08:22.53 | nocte | Table de routage IPv6 du noyau |
| 08:22.53 | nocte | Destination Next Hop Flag Met Ref Use If |
| 08:22.53 | nocte | 2a01:e0b:3::/64 :: U 256 0 0 eth0 |
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| 08:23.03 | nocte | sr |
| 08:23.06 | nocte | sorry |
| 08:23.19 | flourish | hello |
| 08:23.29 | nocte | does someone know how it consider the entwork as unreachable, instead of there is the correct route ? |
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| 08:24.41 | erawfish | nocte: not enough info |
| 08:24.48 | nocte | hmmmm |
| 08:25.04 | nocte | i have the correct route in the route -6 table |
| 08:25.06 | nocte | 2a01:e0b:3::/64 :: U 256 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:25.06 | Kingstone | anyone knows what does /var/lib/dpkg/status file is reponsible for and what is /var/lib/dpkg/available is responsible for? |
| 08:25.14 | nocte | but when i try to connect : |
| 08:25.25 | erawfish | !enter |
| 08:25.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:25.29 | nocte | ssh: connect to host 2a01:e0b:3:e:1:e0:81b3:f90b port 22: Network is unreachable |
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| 08:25.51 | nocte | lol ok |
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| 08:27.30 | erawfish | Neaai: it needs a MTA, no matter which |
| 08:28.20 | Neaai | erawfish: I see. |
| 08:28.21 | joltcan | oc80z: tried to force it with -6? |
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| 08:40.01 | Guerin | Kingstone: UTSL |
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| 08:53.42 | jorge_ | hello |
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| 08:55.19 | jorge_ | I have some problems with encoding |
| 08:55.34 | jorge_ | in debian etch |
| 08:55.41 | jorge_ | I have a sql backup |
| 08:55.48 | jorge_ | with strange characters inside |
| 08:56.04 | jorge_ | but with file -i the answer is UTF-8 |
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| 08:56.15 | jorge_ | I don't understand that |
| 08:56.21 | jorge_ | anyone can help me? |
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| 09:00.23 | alcohol | good mornin' all |
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| 09:00.37 | AussieGuy | robbie@r220-101-88-34:~$ sudo iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 54402 -j REDIRECT --to-port 54401 # robbie@r220-101-88-34:~$ telnet localhost 54402 # telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused robbie@r220-101-88-34:~$ telnet localhost 54401 # Connected to localhost. |
| 09:00.53 | AussieGuy | im trying to set up port forwarding from one port to another port on the same machine |
| 09:01.58 | OpenTokix | assasukasse: why? |
| 09:02.08 | OpenTokix | AussieGuy: why? |
| 09:02.10 | OpenTokix | assasukasse: sorry |
| 09:02.32 | deface | lol |
| 09:02.48 | AussieGuy | its to forward to a http service, so I can run it on multiple ports |
| 09:02.58 | OpenTokix | AussieGuy: yeah, thats what ports.conf is for |
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| 09:03.04 | OpenTokix | AussieGuy: and vhosts |
| 09:03.14 | OpenTokix | AussieGuy: Just configure a site for that port instead |
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| 09:05.00 | jorge_ | anyone can help me with a problem with encoding? |
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| 09:12.33 | Glanzmann | Hello; Where do I get an actual netboot.tar.gz for Lenny? |
| 09:13.00 | Glanzmann | The problem with the one on the main ftp servers is that it is outdated from May 2008 and does make it possible to download kernel modules needed for the installer to detect my disks. |
| 09:13.39 | liable | Glanzmann: get a daily build |
| 09:13.43 | Glanzmann | from where |
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| 09:14.45 | liable | i386? |
| 09:14.56 | Sweetandy | I'm using Debian Lenny and recently installed gdm and X. When I ran apt-get install links2, and run it with grahpics with links -g, I am given the error that Graphics were not enabled when compiling |
| 09:15.08 | liable | Glanzmann: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ |
| 09:15.11 | Sweetandy | Was this because I didn't install graphics at Debian installation |
| 09:16.02 | erawfish | Sweetandy no |
| 09:16.12 | erawfish | Sweetandy: sorry for the msg. brainfart |
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| 09:16.19 | Glanzmann | liable: yes, i386. |
| 09:16.27 | Sweetandy | erawfish: It's okay |
| 09:16.51 | Sweetandy | Oh geez. I just realized my error. It's links2 -g, not links at all |
| 09:16.55 | Sweetandy | sorry |
| 09:18.58 | Glanzmann | liable: Works, I owe you a beer or two. |
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| 09:19.15 | liable | lets make it two! |
| 09:19.45 | Glanzmann | agreed. Five me a call when you're in Erlangen, Germany |
| 09:20.21 | Sweetandy | feels guilty. |
| 09:23.29 | bolt-work | feels high on sugar |
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| 09:33.59 | jorge_ | i use file archivo1.sql and the answer is that ins plain text utf8 etc |
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| 09:34.12 | jorge_ | but in other backup sql the answer is data |
| 09:34.14 | jorge_ | why? |
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| 09:37.37 | alcohol | 94mb for upgrades |
| 09:37.41 | alcohol | :o |
| 09:37.55 | alcohol | I guess I should check more often then once every 3 months or so |
| 09:38.00 | alcohol | than |
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| 09:53.29 | Welshman | is Webmin going to get back inti Debian? |
| 09:53.35 | Welshman | *into |
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| 09:54.03 | petemc | is it still actively developed? |
| 09:54.04 | Welshman | its brilliant |
| 09:54.08 | Welshman | sure |
| 09:54.14 | Welshman | great support too |
| 09:54.26 | petemc | other people have different opinions of webmin |
| 09:54.28 | Welshman | just they have gone commercial on virtualmin a bit |
| 09:54.39 | Welshman | its very good |
| 09:54.44 | petemc | in your opinion |
| 09:54.53 | Welshman | I used DirectAdmin a bit and thats not free |
| 09:55.02 | Welshman | Webmin beats it hands down |
| 09:55.05 | idimmu | !tell Welshman webmin |
| 09:55.11 | Welshman | seen it |
| 09:55.22 | idimmu | has no idea how to use dpkg |
| 09:55.26 | Welshman | lol |
| 09:55.33 | Welshman | me neither |
| 09:55.39 | idimmu | well, the bot, i know the command fs |
| 09:55.48 | Welshman | tired |
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| 09:56.13 | Welshman | virtual min install great with the install.sh on etch |
| 09:56.18 | Welshman | *installed |
| 09:56.42 | Welshman | had a small email problem thats all |
| 09:57.10 | Welshman | hardly suprising seeing Deb are not supporting at the mo |
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| 09:57.34 | tyler_ | how would i go about doing this guys...my first step would be to try upgrading to 2.6.24 from etch, or 2.6.26 from bpo. |
| 09:57.50 | petemc | Welshman: apparently, no one volunteered to make packages for webmin, and the packages the the webmin people provided werent usable |
| 09:58.26 | Welshman | oh |
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| 09:59.01 | Welshman | funny they still say Deb is fully supported? |
| 09:59.04 | Welshman | and Ubuntu |
| 09:59.29 | Welshman | definately a mail problem though |
| 09:59.42 | Welshman | they put it right for though |
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| 09:59.56 | petemc | Welshman: that means, in their terms, webmin works on debian and ubuntu, it doesnt have anything to do with debian creating webmin packages |
| 10:00.18 | Welshman | I thought it was because they went commercial with Virtualmin that put a stop on it in Debian! |
| 10:00.53 | Welshman | why dont THEY do it? |
| 10:01.01 | petemc | asm THEM |
| 10:01.08 | petemc | s/sm/ak/ |
| 10:01.08 | Welshman | yeah |
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| 10:01.24 | idimmu | webmin sucks anyway, just learn how to use all the applications it manages properly |
| 10:01.37 | Welshman | take a life time man |
| 10:02.17 | themill | Welshman: it doesn't; somehow the rest of us cope quite well |
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| 10:02.23 | Welshman | people use Debian for user accounts as well, and usermin is well cool |
| 10:02.54 | Welshman | not all people on a Debian system are admins :) |
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| 10:03.42 | Welshman | btw, when Lenny is stable will it be a sich to upgrade |
| 10:03.49 | petemc | Welshman: its fine that you like webmin - you would be wasting your time trying to convince people here of its value tho |
| 10:03.51 | Welshman | *sinch |
| 10:03.55 | Welshman | *easy |
| 10:04.29 | Welshman | petemc ok but what is the main objection to Webmin? |
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| 10:04.41 | petemc | it sucketh mightily |
| 10:04.44 | Welshman | why |
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| 10:04.50 | Welshman | thats not true :) |
| 10:05.00 | petemc | sucking is relative |
| 10:05.04 | Welshman | works brill for me |
| 10:05.08 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 10:05.09 | Welshman | :) |
| 10:05.28 | themill | Welshman: when it breaks configs for you, you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 10:05.50 | Welshman | what needs to be done then? |
| 10:06.03 | themill | Welshman: etch->lenny will be something more than just a dist-upgrade but debian works hard to make it as easy as possible. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:06.16 | Welshman | thanks |
| 10:06.47 | Welshman | is lenny more toward the desktop or server? |
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| 10:06.52 | Welshman | etch is brill |
| 10:07.01 | Welshman | server |
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| 10:07.26 | petemc | debian is the univeral operating system, its not geared for any one purpose |
| 10:07.31 | themill | debian tries to be all things to all people; lenny has lots of improvements over etch both for the desktop and the server |
| 10:07.56 | Welshman | server is superb |
| 10:08.06 | themill | so is desktop |
| 10:08.18 | Welshman | driver problem for me |
| 10:08.22 | stanlin | so Debian is Superior to Ubuntu? |
| 10:08.34 | Welshman | as a server I would say yes |
| 10:08.38 | themill | !why debian |
| 10:08.38 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:08.39 | petemc | stanlin: what ranking system are you using? |
| 10:09.10 | Welshman | Ubuntu rides on the back of Debian anyway |
| 10:09.19 | stanlin | petemc: nothing just commenting about debian |
| 10:09.21 | tyler_ | guys what does this mean: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 10:09.21 | tyler_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:09.41 | Welshman | I will say that Ubuntu is the best desktop for not admins though |
| 10:09.48 | Welshman | *non |
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| 10:14.05 | Esaj | what's an easy-to-use web proxy that I can run from a command line without having to setup some complicated config file? |
| 10:14.56 | Welshman | for what use? |
| 10:15.30 | petemc | guess proxying |
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| 10:15.48 | petemc | Esaj: squid is almost the de facto proxy software, it ship with a working config |
| 10:16.01 | Welshman | yeah, but like Tor I mean |
| 10:16.06 | Esaj | petemc: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 10:24.40 | pete_ | Hi! Anyone know that is it possible to use dom0 as iscsi-target? I know it stupid but this is testing. Problem is that i can't compile iscsi_target module againts 2.6.18.8-xen |
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| 10:32.11 | AukeF | I need to install debian on a machine with a ITE 8213 IDE controller. The it821x module does not seem to work. The wiki lists an it8213 module, but it does not seem to be present in any of the installers I've tried. Does anyone know about this? |
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| 10:34.28 | otwieracz | hello |
| 10:35.39 | otwieracz | I have problem with mount. |
| 10:35.47 | otwieracz | I want to mount iso image rw (mount -o loop -t iso9660 -w dsl/KNOPPIX/knoppix /knoppix/) but it mounts it read-only (/dev/loop4 on /knoppix type iso9660 (ro)) |
| 10:35.56 | otwieracz | Did somebody know what I doing wrong? |
| 10:36.26 | mquin | otwieracz: iso9660 is read-only by design |
| 10:36.28 | Nibbl | you cannot mount iso as rw |
| 10:36.41 | Nibbl | check growisofs |
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| 10:37.54 | otwieracz | There is no chances to mount this image rw? |
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| 10:38.46 | otwieracz | I'm trying to remaster Damn Small Linux |
| 10:39.11 | otwieracz | I uncompress root image (originally it was in cloop format) |
| 10:39.20 | otwieracz | And now i have: |
| 10:39.33 | otwieracz | omega:/dsl/KNOPPIX# file knoppix knoppix |
| 10:39.34 | otwieracz | knoppix: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'CDROM ' |
| 10:40.03 | otwieracz | originally |
| 10:40.03 | otwieracz | omega:/media/cdrom/KNOPPIX# file KNOPPIX |
| 10:40.04 | otwieracz | KNOPPIX: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 10:40.15 | mquin | otwieracz: depending on how extensive the changes you want to make are you can either make a multisession disk using growisofs, or copy the contents of the ISO image onto a regular filesystem, make your changes then master a new iso from it |
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| 10:40.26 | d | hey folks |
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| 10:41.04 | otwieracz | mquin: can i copy files from this iso image, edit it (add some stuff, etc) and make image from this files? |
| 10:41.12 | otwieracz | And use it as root file for DSL? |
| 10:41.27 | mquin | that's correct |
| 10:41.32 | otwieracz | Oh. |
| 10:41.33 | otwieracz | Ok/ |
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| 10:41.58 | greggman | how to make a proxy server that would serve as like that of anonymouse.org or vtunnel.com? |
| 10:43.00 | otwieracz | mquin: When I trying to chroot to root of dsl (that copied files) i have error: |
| 10:43.01 | otwieracz | omega:/# chroot dsl_fs/ |
| 10:43.01 | otwieracz | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1108: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 10:43.13 | fqh | hello |
| 10:43.13 | otwieracz | wtf? :) |
| 10:43.17 | otwieracz | Hello. |
| 10:43.32 | fqh | hello, anyone is using mutt? |
| 10:43.40 | petemc | lots of people |
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| 10:44.03 | fqh | How to remove "reply-to xxx" in the mail head? |
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| 10:47.13 | otwieracz | mquin: i have question. |
| 10:47.18 | otwieracz | I need to change kernel in DSL. |
| 10:47.32 | otwieracz | I edit isolinux.cfg, put new kernel, etc. |
| 10:47.38 | otwieracz | But what with initrd? |
| 10:47.41 | otwieracz | How to make it? |
| 10:47.57 | otwieracz | Do you know? |
| 10:48.23 | SlayerXP | otwieracz: you appear to be asking question about Damn Small Linux in #debian |
| 10:48.40 | otwieracz | Damn Small Linux isn't Debian mod? |
| 10:48.47 | otwieracz | Nevermind |
| 10:48.53 | otwieracz | I aks generally about linux. |
| 10:48.56 | SlayerXP | otwieracz: we don't answer freebsd questions either. |
| 10:49.07 | otwieracz | FreeBSD isn't linux |
| 10:49.07 | otwieracz | :D |
| 10:49.26 | otwieracz | You can use Some Linux LiveCD beware of DSL. |
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| 10:51.17 | mquin | otwieracz: mkinitramfs, probably, or you can rebuild the existing one by hand (pretty much the same process as rebuilding the ISO, just a different format) - it's been a while since I had to do that but I don't recall it being that complicated |
| 10:51.37 | Lagbolt | does DSL not have update-initramfs? |
| 10:51.50 | Lagbolt | lol oh wait this is #debian ;) |
| 10:51.53 | otwieracz | mquin: so, try to "unpack" existing initrd and modify it? |
| 10:52.08 | otwieracz | I generally don't know what with linuxrc script. |
| 10:52.30 | Lagbolt | otwieracz, are you tring to modify the initramfs or just build one for your kern? |
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| 10:53.47 | otwieracz | Lagbolt: second |
| 10:54.21 | otwieracz | Lagbolt: so? |
| 10:54.23 | Lagbolt | right so you dont need to unpack and modify. |
| 10:54.34 | Lagbolt | does DSL have "update-initramfs" |
| 10:55.05 | otwieracz | What this tool do? |
| 10:55.06 | Lagbolt | something like "update-initramfs -k all -u" |
| 10:55.16 | otwieracz | I only need to add new kernel? |
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| 10:55.28 | otwieracz | And can use initrd from 2.4 kernel? |
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| 10:55.29 | otwieracz | o0 |
| 10:55.29 | Lagbolt | otwieracz, is this new kernel a packaged kernel or compiled by hand? |
| 10:55.38 | otwieracz | compiled by hand |
| 10:55.40 | Lagbolt | 2.4? lol woah wait |
| 10:55.43 | Lagbolt | you are using 2.4 kern? |
| 10:55.46 | otwieracz | No! |
| 10:55.52 | otwieracz | DSL using 2.4 kernel |
| 10:55.53 | otwieracz | :D |
| 10:56.06 | Lagbolt | so then you are using it |
| 10:56.11 | Lagbolt | or did you compile 2.6 |
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| 10:56.48 | otwieracz | I compile by hand new 2.6.27 kernel and I'm trying to use it with DSL |
| 10:57.01 | Lagbolt | hmm and previous to that you had 2.4.##? |
| 10:57.21 | Lagbolt | is DSL that old? will the module-init-tools even work with that kern? |
| 10:57.28 | otwieracz | Originally DSL have 2.4.x |
| 10:58.06 | Lagbolt | right and i assume that means the packages in the OS are old as well? |
| 10:58.14 | mquin | otwieracz: have you seen http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/ ? might save you some work |
| 10:59.17 | otwieracz | It is forum ;) |
| 10:59.46 | tuxcrafter | hello everygody, i am wondering where i could get some help creating special usdev rules for usb devcies, i want to change the following rule to something that looks at the usb bus id (location on hub) and then provide an group to it, so i can create the situation that when i connect the same device on diffrent places on the hub it will have diffrent group permissions. What would be the best place to get help with this? (SUBSYSTEM=="block", |
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| 11:01.14 | Lagbolt | tuxcrafter, http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 11:01.52 | otwieracz | mquin: forum might save me some work? |
| 11:02.11 | otwieracz | Ou no |
| 11:02.13 | otwieracz | Epic fail. |
| 11:02.16 | otwieracz | It is project. |
| 11:02.16 | otwieracz | lol. |
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| 11:03.25 | datacrusher | clovis |
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| 11:03.42 | otwieracz | mquin: ok, I download it n try |
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| 11:25.02 | otwieracz | mquin: dsl-n have kernel 2.6, right? |
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| 11:27.43 | mquin | otwieracz: " Kernel 2.6.11 and modules " http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/f/viewtopic/3.html |
| 11:28.33 | otwieracz | Well, I will'nt have problems with adding 2.6.27 kernel. |
| 11:28.47 | Neaai | Anyone uses horde/imp ? I remember I saw somewhere how to make "Imp" be the application that opens after login, but I can't seem to find it. Horde opens and when I select Mail/Imp after that, I'm presented with another login page. How can I avoid that ? |
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| 11:29.20 | otwieracz | Lagbolt: ping |
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| 11:33.50 | ronr | hi, I'm looking for a way to keep track of the size of some directories, basically I want to be able to execute du commands on the and get the results real quick (like the second time I would execute du), any ways to accomplish this? |
| 11:35.04 | Lagbolt | hey otwieracz |
| 11:35.10 | Lagbolt | or i mean pong |
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| 11:35.48 | otwieracz | Lagbolt: ;) |
| 11:35.56 | Lagbolt | otwieracz, dontknow about dsl-n or dsl really just know about debian. and assuming making initramfs is the same i could telll you how to do it lol |
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| 11:36.00 | Lagbolt | no guarentees :) |
| 11:36.12 | otwieracz | I have dsl with 2.6 egg by default. |
| 11:36.49 | Lagbolt | so you compiled your 2.6.27 kernel? |
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| 11:40.33 | ronr | how long does du cache its results? |
| 11:41.47 | tuxcrafter | somebody that knows if the program udevtest is in debian lenny or sid, i cant find it |
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| 11:41.54 | koollman | ronr: du does not cache anything |
| 11:42.04 | koollman | your filesystem might |
| 11:42.32 | ronr | koollman: ok, time du /somedir && time du /somedir gives very different timing results |
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| 11:42.55 | koollman | ronr: that's the vfs cache, yes |
| 11:43.00 | ronr | I'd like to know how long there must be between two du to get similar timing results again |
| 11:43.19 | oz_ | hello, I keep getting around with this message dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). don't know how to resolve. can anyone help ? |
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| 11:43.38 | koollman | ronr: no predefined time |
| 11:44.03 | koollman | if the data aren't modified and the memory isn't needed for something else, could stay in ram for hours or days, or more |
| 11:44.35 | ronr | koollman: ok, is there any way of instructing the filesystem to keep certain directories cached? |
| 11:45.08 | tuxcrafter | found udevadm test |
| 11:45.20 | koollman | not that I know of. the vfs code and fs code might decide to cache some of them and not some others ... I don't think it's tweakable a lot |
| 11:45.29 | koollman | ronr: what are you trying to do/solve ? |
| 11:46.11 | ronr | koollman: I need to display disk usage for a directory in a webpage (php), but the first time I open the page it's way too slow |
| 11:46.25 | mquin | oz_: are you using eth0 on that machine? |
| 11:46.46 | oz_ | mquin, yes. This machines has two NIC's |
| 11:46.52 | ronr | koollman: since it will vary quite a bit from a lot of places, I can't easily keep track of changes and cache everyting myself |
| 11:47.20 | oz_ | eth1 is connected to external firewall, and eth0 is supposed to give addresses in the internal network |
| 11:47.52 | mquin | oz_: okay, have you assigned an address to eth0? |
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| 11:48.32 | nirupama | The screen of my laptop gets aligned to left by default |
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| 11:48.38 | nirupama | how to align to centre |
| 11:48.51 | nirupama | And tried to do in xorg.conf file |
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| 11:48.56 | koollman | ronr: why is that directory important to watch ? |
| 11:48.57 | otwieracz | Hmm |
| 11:49.05 | otwieracz | In DSL-N there is no linuxrc at / |
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| 11:49.35 | otwieracz | FUCK! |
| 11:49.41 | otwieracz | There is no iptables in DSL-N |
| 11:49.44 | oz_ | mquin, eth0 has the following address in /etc/network/interfaces 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:50.44 | bolt-work | nirupama: try running the correct resolution for your screen |
| 11:50.59 | mquin | oz_: Okay. Have you set up /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ? |
| 11:51.35 | oz_ | yep, according to this tutorial http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/DHCP_Server |
| 11:51.37 | ronr | koollman: because the design department thought it good thing to display in the webapp, it'll be used a bit as a soft quota system (but the files aren't all owned by the same user and the group owner owns a lot more) |
| 11:52.00 | mhymn | does anybody know how can i make a NTFS partiton in etch? |
| 11:52.14 | nirupama | bolt, It accepts only 1024x768 even though the correct one is 1366x768 |
| 11:52.22 | oz_ | mquin, I stopped the local firewall on this machine -so there is no /etc/init.d/local running. |
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| 11:52.42 | bolt-work | nirupama: you need to use the correct driver for your graphics card and make sure it's supported |
| 11:52.43 | OpenTokix | nirupama: you need to run the HDCPinterface to give it pixer by pixel |
| 11:52.46 | mquin | oz_: could you pastebin your dhcpd.conf and the output of "ifconfig eth0" ? |
| 11:52.51 | mhymn | found it |
| 11:52.59 | OpenTokix | nirupama: most tv's only accept dot for dot over HDMI on a certain hdmi-port, check your manual |
| 11:53.14 | oz_ | mquin, also I am now getting a slightly different error - the server complains about dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.0.1). |
| 11:53.24 | oz_ | mquin, I'll be glad to paste it |
| 11:53.35 | bolt-work | OpenTokix: TV? didn't he say "screen of my laptop"? |
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| 11:53.57 | nirupama | OpenTokix, how to do that |
| 11:54.10 | koollman | ronr: hardcore way to solve that : use a different mounting point. soft way to solve that : launch du from time to time on it. (so that the data stay in cache) |
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| 11:54.29 | bolt-work | nirupama: are you displaying this on a tv or on your laptop's screen |
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| 11:54.49 | nirupama | bolt-work, OpenTokix there are two problems |
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| 11:55.27 | nirupama | bolt-work, OpenTokix one:even though my laptop should use 1366x768 it takes only 1024x768 and alignes to left side only |
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| 11:55.36 | oz_ | mquin, here's the paste http://paste.debian.net/19907/ |
| 11:55.44 | ronr | koollman: I was thinking about the second, using a crontab to launch du (that's why I asked for the time), you got any clue on a ballpark for the interval between du's? |
| 11:55.50 | nirupama | and when i connect to projector nothing is displayed in projector |
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| 11:56.08 | bolt-work | nirupama: the alignment of non-optimal resolutions is probably set in your bios. install the correct graphics card driver and run at the correct resolution |
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| 11:56.25 | koollman | ronr: it will vary heavily with your disk usage. and honestly, I wouldn't 'optimize' that, not that way anyway |
| 11:56.38 | mquin | oz_: your subnet definition in dhcpd.conf is wrong |
| 11:56.45 | ronr | koollman: so you'd advice something like local loopback devices? |
| 11:56.47 | koollman | ronr: what kind of process modify that directory ? ftp server or something ? |
| 11:56.56 | noppe | how does one deal with pkgs from experimental? |
| 11:56.59 | ronr | koollman: apache |
| 11:57.00 | OpenTokix | nirupama: you have some plasma or lcd-tv, right? |
| 11:57.10 | mquin | oz_: you've defined 192.168.1.0, when you're actually using 192.168.0.0 on eth0 |
| 11:57.13 | ronr | koollman: and some crontabs |
| 11:57.14 | bolt-work | noppe: if you need to ask, you don't need to know |
| 11:57.29 | koollman | ronr: hmm. and why would apache modify a directory with file owned by many users ? |
| 11:57.41 | noppe | bolt-work: right. any other insight? |
| 11:57.43 | nirupama | OpenTokix, a projector and a laptop |
| 11:57.48 | koollman | I would find a way to put a correct group and/or user on these files |
| 11:57.51 | koollman | and use quota |
| 11:57.52 | bolt-work | noppe: google |
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| 11:58.06 | mquin | oz_: also the broadcast address that set on eth0 is wrong - it should be 192.168.0.255 for that address and mask |
| 11:58.06 | nirupama | bolt-work, how to install a graphics card of my laptop |
| 11:58.11 | ronr | koollman: those would be the crontabs (and, which I forgot before, local users) |
| 11:58.19 | OpenTokix | nirupama: ok, and you connect to the projector with VGA? |
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| 11:58.30 | OpenTokix | nirupama: And the resolution of the projecotr is 1366x768? |
| 11:58.33 | nirupama | OpenTokix, yes |
| 11:58.34 | bolt-work | nirupama: figure out what graphics card it uses, then find the correct module to load or download binary drivers |
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| 11:58.46 | nirupama | OpenTokix, no resoultion of projector is 1024x768 |
| 11:58.57 | nirupama | bolt-work, it isues i810 |
| 11:58.59 | oz_ | mquin, where do I mention broadcast ? |
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| 11:59.00 | oliva | hi there ... is it possible to connect a ssh server to a remote listening client? |
| 11:59.02 | OpenTokix | nirupama: ok? Where does the 1366x come from? |
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| 11:59.13 | mquin | oz_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:59.14 | nirupama | OpenTokix, laptop |
| 11:59.25 | OpenTokix | nirupama: ok, change the laptop to 1024 to |
| 11:59.35 | koollman | ronr: I would make sure my crontabs use a valid user, or modify these file with sudo (but I don't know what you are doing, obviously ;) ) |
| 11:59.46 | oz_ | mquin, so I just need to fix those two files and viola it runs = |
| 11:59.58 | Ab3l | hi all, i've a question: i've a nice working installed debian 4r0 with a custom kernel drivers etc- now even if it can sound strange i need to "port" kernel and drivers on a newly installed xfce debian 4 (latest stable R) is that possible by just copy kernel image and /usr/lib/modules ? |
| 12:00.12 | nirupama | OpenTokix, did still it comes to left hand side |
| 12:00.18 | nirupama | not to center |
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| 12:00.39 | OpenTokix | nirupama: strange, you might need to provide a modeline |
| 12:00.49 | mquin | oz_: yep, and do an "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" to make the changes on /etc/network/interfaces live |
| 12:00.50 | nirupama | OpenTokix, I provided |
| 12:00.57 | OpenTokix | nirupama: maybe te tilt and pan stuff on the projector is set crazy? |
| 12:01.06 | nirupama | OpenTokix, given Modeline "1024x768" ....... |
| 12:01.07 | mquin | oz_: I'm stepping out now - feel free to drop me a PM if you're still stuck |
| 12:01.27 | oz_ | mquin, thanks it is up and running now. |
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| 12:01.31 | ronr | koollman: you mean getting everything to one user and using native quota support? |
| 12:01.31 | nirupama | OpenTokix, but the same projector works fine for other machine |
| 12:01.36 | OpenTokix | nirupama: hmm, strange - hard to troubleshoot without seeing the machine - and I need to troubleshoot a routing problem here - sorry |
| 12:01.44 | oz_ | I'll try to run dhclient in the other machines |
| 12:01.49 | koollman | ronr: yep |
| 12:01.55 | koollman | ronr: on one group, if user is too hard to do |
| 12:02.15 | koollman | ronr: anything else will be just slow one way or another. |
| 12:02.31 | koollman | using cache for that would mean other parts of the filesystem can't get cached |
| 12:02.33 | ronr | koollman: ok, sounds reasonable in theory... will have to figure out quite a bit to see if it'll work in practice |
| 12:02.42 | ronr | koollman: thx for the input! |
| 12:02.57 | nirupama | bolt-work, xserver-xorg-video-i810 is installed |
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| 12:03.20 | koollman | ronr: or, stop the madness, and do not display size for a single directory. |
| 12:03.38 | koollman | ronr: df is fast, and the variations on it are quite interesting too, nice to display |
| 12:03.53 | bolt-work | nirupama: and that's the correct module for your video card? is it loaded? is it setup in xorg.conf? |
| 12:03.57 | koollman | nothing useable for quotas, but soft quota just don't work :) |
| 12:04.24 | nirupama | bolt-work, in xorg.conf its there |
| 12:04.34 | nirupama | bolt-work, where else i need to load it |
| 12:04.57 | bolt-work | nirupama: is it the video driver you're currently using? how is it "in xorg.conf"? |
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| 12:05.43 | haqe43 | How to start iceweasel on tty7 from a pseudo terminal? |
| 12:06.04 | nirupama | bolt-work, it is Driver "i810" |
| 12:06.12 | nirupama | bolt-work, in Device section |
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| 12:06.52 | otwieracz | Where apt-get cache downloaded files? |
| 12:06.55 | nirupama | bolt-work, do u mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:07.18 | sebastian^ | woohoooo |
| 12:07.20 | bolt-work | otwieracz: /var/cache/apt |
| 12:08.50 | otwieracz | Ok. |
| 12:09.02 | otwieracz | How to unpack deb file? |
| 12:09.08 | otwieracz | (like tar.gz) |
| 12:09.34 | bolt-work | otwieracz: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:09.45 | erawfish | otwieracz: man dpkg |
| 12:09.57 | bolt-work | nirupama: and is your resolution also set up in xorg.conf? |
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| 12:10.05 | otwieracz | OK, i have. |
| 12:10.08 | otwieracz | dpkg -X |
| 12:10.08 | dpkg | otwieracz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:10.15 | erawfish | nirupama: why don't you check your xorg log? |
| 12:11.10 | nirupama | bolt-work, yes it is 1024x768 |
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| 12:12.21 | bolt-work | nirupama: if that's not the resolution you want, you need to setup additional resolutions in xorg.conf |
| 12:12.28 | bolt-work | nirupama: with dpkg-reconfigure or manually |
| 12:13.15 | nirupama | bolt-work, ok |
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| 12:14.31 | pete_ | Hi! How can i build just one module what isnt included in my current kernel. Sources is inside /usrsrc. Is it possible? If yes, then how do i do it? I cant boot server |
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| 12:15.25 | ^shark_ | i am trying to get an init script for my iptables in etch since this script does not come by default, i have looked into the /usr/share/doc/iptables but i dont see the /examples/oldinitdscript.gz since i used apt-get install iptables |
| 12:15.36 | ^shark_ | how does one get an init script for iptables |
| 12:15.53 | tuxcrafter | ^shark_: see ifup scripts |
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| 12:17.04 | otwieracz | Laeborg: ping again. |
| 12:17.08 | otwieracz | I have question. |
| 12:17.25 | ^shark_ | tuxcrafter: any more information on this? |
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| 12:19.49 | tuxcrafter | ^shark_: http://pastebin.ca/1235615 |
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| 12:23.21 | kim0 | I have around 100 deb files. Is there a way to install them If-and-only-if all dependencies are satisfied ?? i.e. I don't want a half installed system ?! |
| 12:23.39 | erawfish | kim0: we call it "apt" |
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| 12:23.52 | kim0 | but the debs are local |
| 12:23.57 | kim0 | not in a repo |
| 12:23.59 | erawfish | and stuff is not installed if dependencies aren't met at all |
| 12:24.27 | kim0 | erawfish: I've tried .. dpkg -i *.deb .... and got some errors "at the end" .. about missing deps |
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| 12:24.50 | erawfish | so you have your answer already. why ask still? |
| 12:24.51 | kim0 | erawfish: can I get apt to install local debs ? and perhaps get needed deps from repos ? |
| 12:25.14 | erawfish | you can create a local repo |
| 12:25.34 | kim0 | ick |
| 12:25.51 | yang | ~goodbye windows |
| 12:25.52 | yang | ? |
| 12:26.01 | yang | ~goodbye-windows .com |
| 12:26.33 | erawfish | !tell yang about msgthebot |
| 12:27.26 | yang | yeah well i dont know the string |
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| 12:29.32 | Graveworm | Hi! Is there a way to have one user with two passwords? I have several clients which need to connect to a samba server. On these clients the passwords differnces in the way, they're the same but sometimes with a capital letter in it. |
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| 12:31.23 | steampunkey | !what are you? |
| 12:31.23 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
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| 12:32.53 | AukeF | Does anyone have up-to-date information on rolling one's own debian installer? I need a modified version with support for my IDE controller. |
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| 12:34.36 | ^shark_ | AukeF: try booting with linux26 to get the latest kernel |
| 12:35.14 | AukeF | I'm using the lenny beta 2 installer (kernel 2.6.24.1) but it does not have the correct driver |
| 12:35.16 | Eulex | ^shark_, uh, since etch there's not 2.4 kernel shipped... |
| 12:35.38 | Eulex | AukeF, did you check whether kmuto has an installer that works for you? |
| 12:36.01 | erawfish | AukeF: there is a 2.6.26 too |
| 12:36.02 | AukeF | (I have an ITE 8213 IDE controller, but the default it821x does not work, I suspect I'll need the it821*3*.ko module |
| 12:36.06 | ^shark_ | i have no idea how to make a customised installer |
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| 12:36.15 | AukeF | I'm not familiar with kmuto, do you have a link?> |
| 12:36.21 | Eulex | !kmuto |
| 12:36.21 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 12:37.56 | AukeF | thanks Eulex. I've been looking into the etch-and-a-half as well of course, but the problem is that it does not contain the it8213.ko module |
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| 12:46.27 | kastner | I'm being required to install apache 2.2.10, is source my only option? |
| 12:46.33 | kastner | I'm on etch. |
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| 12:50.19 | genin | anyone with asterisk experience and C experience want a job in france? |
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| 12:50.31 | erawfish | genin: ot |
| 12:50.41 | genin | ot? |
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| 12:50.46 | erawfish | offtopic |
| 12:50.53 | genin | HEH |
| 12:50.54 | erawfish | kastner: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:51.10 | genin | and of course it is all running on debian |
| 12:51.14 | genin | that is better no |
| 12:51.15 | genin | ? |
| 12:51.24 | kastner | erawfish: thanks - it looks like 2.2.9 is the latest in the backports |
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| 12:52.24 | otwieracz | Accessing DSL CD at /dev/scd0...insmod: error inserting '/modules/cloop.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 12:52.26 | erawfish | kastner: please read the whole factoid |
| 12:52.34 | otwieracz | I have this error. |
| 12:52.37 | erawfish | otwieracz: we do not support DSL |
| 12:53.06 | erawfish | genin: no. no debian question. this is a support channel, not a job offer one |
| 12:53.07 | otwieracz | But I have other question. |
| 12:53.18 | otwieracz | How to compile cloop module on debian :) |
| 12:53.28 | erawfish | you doN't. it's already there |
| 12:53.44 | genin | sorry in the midst of financial crisis i thought someone could be interested |
| 12:53.44 | genin | righto |
| 12:53.52 | genin | when i haev a deb question ill hityou up ;) |
| 12:53.53 | genin | thnx |
| 12:53.59 | kastner | erawfish: Ok, I read it. It says that a backport is a package from a newer branch recompiled. In the newest branch I can find, apache is at 2.2.9, and I am in need of 2.2.10, could you point out what I'm missing in the factoid? |
| 12:54.26 | erawfish | ok, sid only has 2.2.9-5 |
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| 12:54.33 | erawfish | then you need to go from source, yes |
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| 12:54.58 | kastner | ok, where can I get information on how to keep it as "debian-like" as possible? |
| 12:55.47 | p4tr0p1 | anyone can help me with cyrus? |
| 12:55.52 | AukeF | Thank you for your earlier suggestion Eulex, but kmuto's installer also doesn't recognise my ide controller. The only working system I've found is Knoppix. |
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| 12:56.28 | Eulex | !custom d-i |
| 12:56.29 | dpkg | custom d-i is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 12:56.32 | AukeF | I'm affraid I either have to find a way to install debian from a currently-running knoppix system, or to roll my own installer with a kernel with the correct driver compiled in. |
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| 12:56.53 | erawfish | AukeF: debootstrap |
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| 12:59.16 | AukeF | Ha, great suggestions from you both, thanks! I'll be off puzzling a bit again :) |
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| 13:00.27 | Graveworm | kastner: Maybe you can gibt "checkinstall" a try. |
| 13:00.39 | kastner | thanks |
| 13:00.59 | Graveworm | It often helped me if I had to install something from source but sometimes it failed. |
| 13:01.10 | Graveworm | So try to do a dry run first. |
| 13:01.20 | kastner | ok, will do |
| 13:01.22 | Graveworm | gibt<>give |
| 13:01.25 | kastner | this is such a pain! |
| 13:01.38 | kastner | I really wish I could just track debian's apache 2.2 :/ |
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| 13:02.13 | Elyndra | hello |
| 13:03.03 | otwieracz | /root/cloop-2.05/cloop-2.625/compressed_loop.c:49:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu |
| 13:03.13 | otwieracz | I have that error when compiling cloop module on debian |
| 13:03.26 | otwieracz | What is wrong? |
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| 13:03.47 | Graveworm | What does that error message mean? |
| 13:04.18 | abrotman | Polish for "no workie!" |
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| 13:05.14 | otwieracz | Graveworm: when I tryin to compile cloop module. |
| 13:05.24 | Elyndra | i am student and i want to install debian!!! someone can give me some advice for the partitionment? |
| 13:05.27 | otwieracz | make and that message appear. |
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| 13:06.22 | Graveworm | otwieracz: Is there no configure script before actually compiling? |
| 13:06.25 | AukeF | Elyndra, are you the only user of the system? |
| 13:06.30 | Elyndra | ye i am |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | otwieracz: you did it with module-assistant ? |
| 13:06.46 | otwieracz | abrotman: no. |
| 13:06.46 | otwieracz | Make. |
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| 13:06.56 | Elyndra | My comp : E8500 // 600Go HardDisk // 4Go Ram |
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| 13:07.35 | abrotman | otwieracz: why not `m-a a-i cloop` ? |
| 13:07.38 | AukeF | Then I'd suggest just dumping everything in one big partition. Its a matter of personal taste, but I don't think the added security of separating /home and /var etc weighs up against the hassle of separate partitions |
| 13:07.47 | otwieracz | abrotman: what? |
| 13:07.49 | Graveworm | otwieracz: So if it is it should have told you if something is missing. Like some dev packages or so. |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | !info cloop-src etch |
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| 13:08.16 | Elyndra | sure AukeF, and what about the boot partition? |
| 13:08.28 | Elyndra | well i mean swap |
| 13:08.31 | dpkg | cloop-src: (Source of the compressed loopback device module), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.04-1+eb.1-7 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 13:09.10 | otwieracz | Ok, I have this installed. |
| 13:09.26 | otwieracz | But module assistan tells me that build was failed |
| 13:10.08 | AukeF | you could allocate a few gigs for swap, although I'm not convinced its needed if you have 4G ram. Just to be save, you could allocate 4G for it |
| 13:10.12 | otwieracz | Build of the package cloop-src failed! How do you wish to │ │ proceed? |
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| 13:10.36 | Elyndra | so 4Go for the swap? |
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| 13:10.55 | Elyndra | what is the role of swap in a linux system? oO |
| 13:11.10 | Elyndra | replace RAM if there isnt enought RAM? |
| 13:11.12 | abrotman | Elyndra: if it makes oyu feel better, you can use a swap file instead of a swap partition |
| 13:11.38 | Elyndra | what is the best? using a swap file of a swap partition? |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | Elyndra: it's "Virtual Memory" just like in windows, but traditionally linux uses a swap partition instead of swap file, but you can do either (Windows uses a swap file, pagefile.sys IIRC) |
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| 13:12.05 | XLV | Elyndra, it allows system to use some portion of hdd as ram ( much slower though ).. if you run lots of apps and run out of mem, system writes parts of mem you dont use atm to disk |
| 13:12.43 | Elyndra | oh okay :D ty |
| 13:12.45 | slim_ | hello all, there is a problem with apt http://phpfi.com/368797 any help how to fix it ? |
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| 13:13.21 | otwieracz | Can somebody help me or not? |
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| 13:13.27 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/libpvm3 ? |
| 13:13.34 | Graveworm | AukeF: Why don't allocate about 20 gb for the / (it should last for almost everything you want to install ;) ) and the rest for home? It's really nice if you have to reinstall the system but don't need to set up all settings for maybe the desktop again. Especially if one is new to linux it's really nice. |
| 13:13.35 | Elyndra | but it isnt a pb for to allocate 4Go for the swap cuz i dont DL divx, just some porn (internet is for porn btw) |
| 13:13.43 | zamolxes | longshot, but if anyone used sox, any ideea how to append 30 seconds of silence to a file? |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | otwieracz: what's the build error from `m-a a-i cloop` ? |
| 13:13.50 | Graveworm | I had to install linux a lot in my early days ;). |
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| 13:14.40 | AukeF | Graveworm, good point |
| 13:14.49 | otwieracz | abrotman: many errors in compressed_loop.c |
| 13:15.12 | Elyndra | AukeF, you advice me to do : Swap 4Go -- / 20Go -- /home rest |
| 13:15.25 | abrotman | otwieracz: can you paste the m-a output log? |
| 13:15.28 | otwieracz | AukeF: especially struct cloop_device■has no member named ■clo_queue■|
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | otwieracz: also .. `uname -a` .. show us the output |
| 13:15.49 | Elyndra | or swap 4Go and another unique partition? |
| 13:16.13 | otwieracz | lol |
| 13:16.19 | otwieracz | uname: no such file or directory |
| 13:16.42 | abrotman | otwieracz: cat /proc/version |
| 13:16.44 | AukeF | Elyndra: im not familiar with swap in a file. If you have 4G memory, i dont think you'll need the swap, so putting it in a file (and skipping the partition) might be good. Maybe abrotman can shed a small light on this |
| 13:16.49 | [agatha] | Graveworm, now that i read you... i have the whole debian this is (/ and /home) in a partition, but i have all my data in another partition (namely /dev/sda1 mounted in /home/stuff (it's due to historical reasons) you think i could get that to be /home somehow? |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | AukeF: you should have some .. maybe a GB or 2GB .. but a desktop isn't likely to need 4GB |
| 13:17.13 | otwieracz | abrotman: omega:/DSL# cat /proc/version |
| 13:17.13 | otwieracz | Linux version 2.6.27-zen2 (root@genesis) (gcc version 4.2.3) #2 SMP PREEMPT Wed |
| 13:17.13 | otwieracz | Oct 22 14:39:30 CEST 2008 |
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| 13:17.42 | bolt-work | [agatha]: just change it in fstab? |
| 13:17.48 | Elyndra | okay AukeF so a unique partition + swap file thats it? :D |
| 13:17.49 | bolt-work | [agatha]: move all stuff into... stuff first |
| 13:17.52 | AukeF | abrotman, the thing is, when I had 512 Mb ram, I had 1G swap. Total 1.5G 'memory'. Now we have >2G physical memory, why still use swap? ::) |
| 13:18.01 | [agatha] | hmmm no no it's not that. it |
| 13:18.11 | bolt-work | AukeF: to avoid a system crash if you should happen to fill it up |
| 13:18.17 | [agatha] | it already mounts in /home... but how to get /dev/sda1 to be /home instead of mounted in there |
| 13:18.24 | [agatha] | i dunno if i'm making myself clear |
| 13:18.29 | idimmu | AukeF: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/01/221246&from=rss |
| 13:18.35 | slim_ | abrotman, there is no bugs in bugs.debian.org/libpvm3, or yuo mean to add extra bug ? |
| 13:18.54 | Elyndra | abrotman, can you tell me who to create a swap file? |
| 13:18.55 | idimmu | slashdot covered this exact topic a few weeks ago |
| 13:19.19 | otwieracz | abrotman: and? |
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| 13:19.42 | Elyndra | how* |
| 13:19.44 | idimmu | Elyndra: http://www.linux.com/feature/113956 ? i googled for "linux swap file" .. |
| 13:19.51 | Elyndra | ty |
| 13:20.29 | Graveworm | [agatha]: I don't know if I got you, but you just want to be your /dev/sda1 to be mounted as /home? So just do it ;)? Maybe you should copy your files from /home to /home/stuff to have it later mounted in home |
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| 13:20.50 | flourish | hi everyone |
| 13:21.55 | [agatha] | hmm not enough space Graveworm... let me see if i can explane myself better... i have /dev/sda1 for data and then /dev/sda5 for the system (i have no idea why 5 btw), then in /dev/sda5 are the classic / and /home and /dev/sda1 mounts in /deb/sda5 home folder /home/stuff.. |
| 13:22.07 | [agatha] | 90 and 30gb respectively |
| 13:22.36 | idimmu | [agatha]: if you just want /dev/sda1 to be mounted to /home then edit fstab, surely? |
| 13:22.38 | zamolxes | heh add 'pad 0 30' at the end of the sox command |
| 13:22.58 | Graveworm | [agatha]: I thin it's /dev/sda5 because it resides on a extended partition |
| 13:23.20 | [agatha] | no no idimmu that's how fstab is edited /dev/sda1 mounts already in /home.. |
| 13:23.42 | [agatha] | aha Graveworm may be... changed in some of the formats |
| 13:24.02 | Graveworm | [agatha]: So if you just mount your /dev/sda1 in /home it should "override" the files currently there so you can see your /dev/sda1 as home. |
| 13:24.52 | [agatha] | aha i got it now just mount on /home instead of /home stuff.. silly me thanks guys :D |
| 13:25.06 | Graveworm | :) |
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| 13:26.06 | [agatha] | besides... and looking at gparted... i have like 8gb 'lost somewhere' maybe i should just blow the whole thing up and format the whole disk |
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| 13:34.25 | slim_ | i need to continue installation :) if someone know the solution to fix apt due to this error http://phpfi.com/368797, otherwise i have to reinstall everything from scratch |
| 13:35.15 | oopps | ill look |
| 13:35.24 | oopps | yea |
| 13:35.35 | oopps | i had this kind of issue yesterday with mpd |
| 13:35.40 | oopps | let me look at my notes... |
| 13:35.47 | slim_ | thanks oopps |
| 13:36.08 | googlah | slim_: try to clean out apt. "apt-get clean", then "apt-get autoremove", then "apt-get -f install", to see if that works. |
| 13:37.00 | oopps | slim_, nuke any references in /root/cache/apt/... to your failed package... |
| 13:37.07 | oopps | then sudo apt-get install -f |
| 13:37.16 | oopps | then sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 13:37.21 | slim_ | oopps, i will try now |
| 13:37.21 | oopps | (last two are my raindance) |
| 13:37.46 | slim_ | googlah, it stop in the second step apt-get autoremove with the same error |
| 13:38.20 | oopps | slim_, also did apt-get remove ... |
| 13:38.46 | oopps | slim_, and rm -v /var/lib/dpkg/info/...* |
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| 13:39.01 | oopps | slim_, and apt-get autoremove --purge ... |
| 13:39.27 | oopps | slim_, with a paranoid updatedb; locate *...* thrown in for good measure! |
| 13:40.27 | googlah | slim_: okay. do you need to install "libpvm3"? removing it from /var/cache/apt/archives/* might solve it. |
| 13:41.04 | googlah | oh, never mind. that wouldn't solve anything. :p |
| 13:41.27 | slim_ | googlah, the directory is empty |
| 13:41.48 | googlah | yeah, "apt-get clean" emptying it |
| 13:41.53 | slim_ | yes |
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| 13:48.07 | slim_ | thanks oopps now it working :) |
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| 13:49.12 | Lagbolt | anyone know how to make s2disk not do that annoying screenflickering when it hibernates? |
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| 13:54.27 | gribouille | hi |
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| 13:55.21 | slobad23 | i am booting from the Debian live cd and it has frozen on "io scheduler cfq registered (default) - is there a boot option i need to put in to get round this? and what is it? :) |
| 13:56.07 | gribouille | I've just bought a new computer with windows XP 64 bit and I want to install debian 4 alongside windows. how can I do it ? |
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| 13:56.55 | slobad23 | easiest way i can suggest is to boot up parted magic |
| 13:57.19 | slobad23 | use that to create a ext partition and a linux swap |
| 13:57.38 | slobad23 | a quick google search will tell you in a lot more detail how to go about setting up a dual boot system |
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| 13:58.02 | geek | gribouille: repartition drive to make an empty partition, boot with debian disk, follow instructions making sure to pick the right options |
| 13:58.09 | geek | its amazingly simple ;) |
| 13:58.12 | slobad23 | if you are new to linux, ubuntu has an installer that can be run from windows and installs that way |
| 13:58.26 | gribouille | geek, and for dual boot ? |
| 13:58.48 | gribouille | slobad23, I was new to linux 10 years ago |
| 13:58.57 | geek | gribouille: well AFAIK when grub is installed it should autodetect |
| 13:59.00 | slobad23 | linux installs a boot loader - either GRUB or LILO and this will allow you to choose which operating system to choose |
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| 13:59.38 | Flimzy | I feel like quite the loser, not being able to get my BCM4312 chipset wireless card working on my new laptop. I've installed and run b43-fwcutter, all the firmware files are now in /lib/firmware. I've upgraded to 2.6.26 (on lenny). modprobe b43 shows the driver is loaded, but I get no firmware messages in dmesg (neither indicating error nor success). Google is of very little help (referring mostly to 2.4.24-era problems). Am I overl |
| 13:59.38 | Flimzy | ooking something obvious that would prevent firmware from being loaded? |
| 13:59.38 | gribouille | geek, is it possible to repartition he drive from the debian 4 install dvd ? |
| 13:59.45 | geek | gribouille: no |
| 14:00.04 | gribouille | geek, so, how should I do ? |
| 14:00.10 | slobad23 | knoppix live cd has partition software on there |
| 14:00.12 | geek | gribouille: HOWEVER. i think its possible to use unetbootin to boot into partedmagic to do so |
| 14:00.26 | geek | or get a livecd of some sort |
| 14:00.46 | geek | prefers the unetbootin option, its simpler |
| 14:00.59 | gribouille | geek, what is unetbootin exactly ? |
| 14:01.18 | geek | gribouille: its a windows software that bootstraps a netinstall |
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| 14:01.50 | geek | gribouille: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:01.56 | oopps | Flimzy, areyou using a Broadcom 54G? |
| 14:01.59 | slobad23 | i am booting from the Debian live cd and it has frozen on "io scheduler cfq registered (default) - is there a boot option i need to put in to get round this? and what is it? :) |
| 14:02.25 | oopps | what rev of chipset? |
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| 14:02.31 | oopps | some dont play nice with fwcutter |
| 14:02.34 | Flimzy | oopps: I have a BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) NIC. |
| 14:02.49 | Flimzy | oopps: So is that a yes? heh |
| 14:02.50 | geek | gribouille: my bad. windows and linux... |
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| 14:02.57 | oopps | Flimzy, could be... |
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| 14:03.15 | Flimzy | oopps: I'm guessing '54G' is their brand/label name? |
| 14:03.16 | oopps | Flimzy, i gave up on fwcutter and just grabbed another card, glad i had one... |
| 14:03.18 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, there was someone in here earlier with trouble |
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| 14:03.32 | gribouille | geek, does windows have utilities to repartition a hard drive ? |
| 14:03.33 | geek | gribouille: very shiny way of getting a netinstall or a new linux install without needing to burn disks ;) |
| 14:03.43 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, do you get any errors in logs about the card? |
| 14:03.43 | Flimzy | oopps: fwcutter *claims* to have done its job... but maybe it lies :) |
| 14:03.49 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: No. |
| 14:03.55 | oopps | Flimzy - not sure... but i never got my pcmcia broadcom wifi card to work in linux. |
| 14:04.06 | Lagbolt | my 4311 works |
| 14:04.18 | Flimzy | oopps: I used a BCM in my powerbook a few years ago. An older chipset, though. |
| 14:04.20 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, when you load b43 do you get any messages? |
| 14:04.22 | Flimzy | This one is built in. |
| 14:04.35 | geek | gribouille: nothing that will partition a system disk without rebooting. the unetbootin/partedmagic combo is somethin i've used a lot ;p |
| 14:04.35 | oopps | Flimzy, some do, but fwcutter has some caveats on their doc site... |
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| 14:04.56 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: Yes. It says "Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]" But that's all. It doesn't talk about even attempting to load the firmware image. |
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| 14:05.11 | geek | gribouille: at the end of the day, your easiest/best bet is using something outside windows to do it IMO |
| 14:05.14 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, that is exactly what we saw earlier last night. . . same problem. |
| 14:05.23 | abrotman | i thought they went in /usr/lib/firmware/ ? |
| 14:05.24 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: Interesting. |
| 14:05.33 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, he was able to compile the proprietary driver and make it work |
| 14:05.39 | Lagbolt | but was unable to use b43 with that card |
| 14:05.48 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: At least I'm not crazy. |
| 14:05.54 | gribouille | geek, how does unetbootin/partedmagic concretly install a new linux system ? |
| 14:05.59 | Lagbolt | as long as you are not trying to sniff packets from others you can use that driver |
| 14:06.12 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: I'll look into that. |
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| 14:06.29 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 14:06.31 | geek | gribouille: use that to resize the windows partition, then install linux. you can then remove unetbootin/partedmagic from windows? |
| 14:07.10 | gribouille | geek, so, I have to install the program on windows and launch it ? |
| 14:07.30 | geek | gribouille: install it in windows, and reboot. then select it at the bootloader |
| 14:07.38 | gribouille | ok |
| 14:07.42 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: Oh, and I'm using AMD64... do you know if the other guy was, too? |
| 14:08.13 | Lagbolt | Flimzy, not sure, i think 32 but the dmesg output is identical |
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| 14:08.21 | Flimzy | Lagbolt: mm'kay |
| 14:08.24 | Lagbolt | there is a 64bit on the link i sent you |
| 14:08.30 | Flimzy | Yup, I just d/led it |
| 14:08.44 | gribouille | geek, how mutch disk space should I keep for XP ? |
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| 14:08.54 | Lagbolt | gribouille, 0 GB :) |
| 14:09.01 | geek | gribouille: depends. |
| 14:09.02 | oopps | Lagbolt, you beat me to it |
| 14:09.07 | Lagbolt | oopps, :) |
| 14:09.11 | acu | I do not know why my hard disk is spinning all the time (as it is loading something) can anyone what might be the problem - how can I see what spins the hard disk ? |
| 14:09.18 | geek | apt-get upfrade |
| 14:09.18 | Lagbolt | gribouille, just enough to do what you need it to do |
| 14:09.20 | geek | oops ;p |
| 14:09.30 | geek | thats a matter of some import |
| 14:09.35 | gribouille | geek, on what ? I have a 500 GB hard drive |
| 14:09.43 | geek | i generally keep a huge NTFS drive, and a smaller linux drive |
| 14:09.57 | geek | since linux handles NTFS more gracefully than XP handles EXT3 |
| 14:10.16 | geek | gribouille: hmm... i'd think 10-50 gigs for linux is more than sufficient? |
| 14:10.35 | Lagbolt | geek, depends if it is your primary OS |
| 14:10.42 | Lagbolt | how much space are you using in windows now? |
| 14:10.43 | gribouille | geek, sure, but I may install more linux distros in the future |
| 14:10.45 | geek | Lagbolt: wierd thing. i hardly use XP |
| 14:11.00 | geek | gribouille: in which case, i'd suggest 20/20/data? |
| 14:11.12 | Lagbolt | geek, just give windows a few gigs so you can install something later but otherwise shrink shrink shrink |
| 14:11.26 | geek | Lagbolt: well, thats subjective |
| 14:11.34 | gribouille | Lagbolt, maybe 10 GB |
| 14:11.47 | Lagbolt | geek, not really. if you dont use it much, or not gaming on it then you prob wont use much more space |
| 14:11.47 | geek | Lagbolt: linux handles low disk space better too ;p |
| 14:12.25 | geek | Lagbolt: er.. it is subjective. depends on usage, and if the user trusts NTFS-3G ;p |
| 14:12.25 | Lagbolt | geek, just use linux always. i havent booted into windows in ages. i run it in virtualbox if i need it at all and that is cause i got a zune . . . for free lol |
| 14:12.47 | Lagbolt | geek, i have good luck with ntfs3g but i talked toa guy who lost 30GB of stuff to ntfs3g |
| 14:12.49 | geek | Lagbolt: funny thing, but other than games, there's only 3 things i need windows for ;p |
| 14:13.09 | paxcoder_ | did anyone manage to use festival text-to-speeech with any voice other than default ones? |
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| 14:13.14 | geek | one is paint.net (oh, for the love of god. port it already) |
| 14:13.17 | Lagbolt | what do you NEED it for other than games, , , , and wine does great with a lot of games |
| 14:13.26 | geek | paint.net ;p |
| 14:13.38 | Lagbolt | i run origin in virtualbox as well so maybe you can run paint.com in that as well |
| 14:13.54 | geek | eheh |
| 14:14.09 | geek | runs vmware on the gaming box, and RDPs into that for PDN |
| 14:14.16 | Lagbolt | ooo i bet paint.net works well in wine |
| 14:14.20 | Lagbolt | i am gonna try it |
| 14:14.25 | geek | let me know ;p |
| 14:14.34 | acu | gribouile: 50 GB for Windows XP is usually good enough - it allows you to have plenty of aplications and proper swap -regardless of what applications you install - I usually have one partition for windows 50 GB NTFS - one partition for data 50 GB FAT32 - and one for LINUX 50 GB - if you plan to install more than one Linux - have a partition for it - since you have 500 GB to do not waste time and think too much :) Just do it |
| 14:14.37 | geek | on the other hand, its SUPPOSED to be ported to linux soon |
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| 14:15.31 | Lagbolt | well i am installing now |
| 14:15.49 | Neaai | Horde and Imp behave funny for me. I login to Horde with user/pass and horde opens. When accessing Mail(IMP) I'm presented with another login screen within the horde frame. Supplying user/pass there makes the page hang forever, but supplying anotheruser/anotherpass opens the email list and it's the emails of anotheruser. What can this be ? |
| 14:16.15 | geek | Lagbolt: let me know if it works ;p |
| 14:17.12 | Lagbolt | geek, it wants .net framework |
| 14:17.15 | geek | erf. i need to remember to add wine to the system i'm on right now. its a fresh install and i forgot |
| 14:17.19 | geek | Lagbolt: yup |
| 14:17.34 | Lagbolt | but i bet it works fine in vbox :) if origin works anything can work ;) |
| 14:17.40 | giusef | Hi all. I am installing a Debian system via usb stick following this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en - After installed the whole Lenny CD1, at the grub installation step, it askes to insert the Lenny CD1, but it is already mounted in /cdrom/ via a loop image. How can I do? It happen also for lilo. |
| 14:17.50 | geek | Lagbolt: there's a port for mono, but its about half a dozen versions behind |
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| 14:18.07 | Lagbolt | geek! http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-15-1.html |
| 14:18.21 | Lagbolt | there is a homepage for paint.net in mono |
| 14:18.31 | paxcoder | festival? new voice? anyone? |
| 14:18.34 | giusef | I just would like to install a boot manager |
| 14:18.41 | geek | Lagbolt: i know of this, but its many versions behind, and i'd rather it be on official repos |
| 14:19.35 | Lagbolt | geek, ah well. partition how you see fit but i say the less space you have for windows the less you will use it and the happier you will be |
| 14:19.58 | Lagbolt | geek, you could just use gIMP :) lots of tutorials online |
| 14:20.17 | geek | Lagbolt: it just dosen't fit my workflow |
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| 14:20.36 | Lagbolt | ah well |
| 14:20.48 | geek | Lagbolt: i tried PS, and GIMP. both annoyed me. PDN fits me like a glove, other than that one small issue ;p |
| 14:21.58 | dudeman | who hilighted me |
| 14:22.01 | dudeman | what do you want |
| 14:22.12 | dudeman | oh |
| 14:22.14 | Lagbolt | hmm wonder if gimp2.6 is better |
| 14:22.17 | dudeman | it was Supaplex |
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| 14:24.05 | paxcoder | !pdn |
| 14:24.06 | dpkg | http://planet.debian.net |
| 14:24.10 | paxcoder | nope |
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| 14:24.26 | Python1320 | Â Â Â Â Â |
| 14:24.35 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.32 | geek | Lagbolt: tried a recent one. for example, i can never work out how the 'layers' work |
| 14:27.34 | XLV | geek, how about this http://www.gimpshop.com/ ? |
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| 14:28.06 | geek | XLV: well thats gimp made to look like PS. i had issues with PS too ;p |
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| 14:29.19 | Neaai | Can anyone help me with the Horde/Imp problem I wrote about ? |
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| 14:31.28 | abrotman | Neaai: probably want to ask #horde .. but sounds like you need to set your horde auth to use imp auth |
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| 14:31.52 | Neaai | abrotman: I asked at #horde. Noone seems alive there ... |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | they're slow but good |
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| 14:32.36 | Neaai | abrotman: I'll check again |
| 14:32.50 | Neaai | .... though been there for hours already |
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| 14:34.53 | E-bola | anybody know a util that shows bandwith usage of 2 interfaces on the same screen "live" ? |
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| 14:36.20 | Flimzy | E-bola: netstat + 2 xterms |
| 14:36.25 | Flimzy | er |
| 14:36.29 | Flimzy | iptraf can probably do it |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | Neaai: so make sure horde is using imp for auth |
| 14:36.36 | Flimzy | tcpdump |
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| 14:37.05 | Flimzy | E-bola: It depends a lot on what kind of data you want displayed, and what you mean by "the same screen". With a modern window manager, practically any 2 apps can run on the same physical screen. |
| 14:37.15 | Neaai | abrotman: I'm checking that |
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| 14:39.02 | stanlin | O:-) |
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| 14:42.02 | cesar_CR | hello guys how can I see wich is the module of my ethernet card ? |
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| 14:42.32 | abrotman | ethtool -i |
| 14:42.46 | abrotman | uhm .. assuming it's working :) |
| 14:43.00 | oklinux | abrotman, are you dudeman ? |
| 14:43.22 | bkashaf | Hi guys , how can I set up my Nokia N70 mobile with debian ? |
| 14:43.27 | gribouille | geek, I tried unetinstall to boot into partitionmagic, and it failed miserably |
| 14:43.46 | geek | gribouille: damn, i'm sorry to hear that |
| 14:43.50 | oklinux | have you try partmagic gribouille ? |
| 14:44.04 | gribouille | oklinux, what's that ? |
| 14:44.44 | oklinux | http://partedmagic.com/wiki/PartedMagic.php |
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| 14:47.38 | abrotman | oklinux: hardly |
| 14:48.40 | oklinux | ok sorry abrotman can you take a look at this usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 from dmesg |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | oklinux: what is the device? |
| 14:49.22 | oklinux | all I have plug in is a hplaserjet 1018 im running hplip 2.8.9 |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | and your kernel ? |
| 14:49.50 | gribouille | ok, I think I'll stay with ubuntu |
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| 14:51.29 | oklinux | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 14:52.50 | oklinux | what problems are you having gribouille ? |
| 14:53.19 | gribouille | oklinux, I want to install linux a new machine that has already windows XP |
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| 14:54.27 | oklinux | what debian |
| 14:54.50 | gribouille | what ? |
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| 14:55.14 | Liledevil | what version of debian? |
| 14:55.47 | gribouille | I don't mind |
| 14:55.55 | gribouille | debian 4 for example |
| 14:56.32 | geek | gribouille: hmm, you mentioned ubuntu, got a livecd? |
| 14:56.35 | geek | ls |
| 14:56.46 | zleap | dual boot should be easy enough |
| 14:56.51 | oklinux | http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1760 |
| 14:57.02 | gribouille | I have to repartition the disk first |
| 14:57.07 | zleap | or your local linux user group |
| 14:57.20 | geek | gribouille: yeah, the ubuntu livecd has a repartitioner... |
| 14:57.33 | zleap | it will do this as part of the install, and ask what you want to do |
| 14:57.45 | zleap | i.e use all of the hard disk, or reduce the windows parition to fit linux on |
| 14:58.07 | gribouille | geek, and why not the debian cd ? |
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| 14:59.58 | geek | >_> |
| 15:00.08 | geek | zleap is right, and i think i just had a total brainfart |
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| 15:00.19 | Liledevil | ubuntu is even more foolproof if you have to ask these questions :) |
| 15:00.30 | geek | Liledevil: i use both ;p |
| 15:00.33 | zleap | if you are new then u would use ubuntu |
| 15:00.40 | Liledevil | geek:me too :) |
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| 15:00.55 | stanlin | Im an old timer, but i do use ubuntu |
| 15:00.58 | zleap | once you have a linux parition created, and a swap parition other distros will detect that, which can be handy |
| 15:01.00 | geek | is trying out intrepid right now, and my server's on lenny |
| 15:01.08 | oklinux | does debian have a partition build in zleap ? |
| 15:01.13 | zleap | yeah |
| 15:01.14 | Liledevil | geek: started with ubuntu tho |
| 15:01.29 | oklinux | abrotman, can you help me ? |
| 15:01.30 | geek | Liledevil: mandriva, then suse then kubuntu for me |
| 15:01.49 | zleap | i stareted out with slackware (kernel 1.0.9) |
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| 15:02.00 | zleap | way back - well ages ago |
| 15:02.00 | geek | kernel 1.x o0 |
| 15:02.07 | geek | yeah, old man ;p |
| 15:02.11 | Liledevil | geek: redhat(later fedora), gentoo, suse, ubuntu, debian |
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| 15:02.25 | abrotman | oklinux: do other USB devices do that? |
| 15:02.30 | zleap | i have a slack 3.4 on my desk |
| 15:02.32 | olspookishmagus | query dpkg |
| 15:02.38 | zleap | as my cousin just got it back to me a few weeks ago |
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| 15:02.42 | geek | Liledevil: well for me, i find debian and ubuntu scratch different itches ;p |
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| 15:02.57 | Liledevil | geek: very true |
| 15:03.01 | abrotman | geek: then choose the one for you .. nothing wrong with using ubuntu if that's what your level is |
| 15:03.05 | oklinux | all I have is the printer abrotman . |
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| 15:03.12 | geek | abrotman: as i mentioned, i use both |
| 15:03.14 | abrotman | oklinux: another machine ? |
| 15:03.39 | oklinux | no one machine by it self |
| 15:03.53 | zleap | i have 3 computes here |
| 15:03.59 | zleap | 2 running lenny |
| 15:04.04 | zleap | 1 running ubuntu |
| 15:04.15 | zleap | my main computer is running lenny / XP |
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| 15:04.59 | Liledevil | 1 running ubuntu/debian etchy(dual boot) |
| 15:04.59 | Liledevil | 1 running ubuntu server |
| 15:04.59 | Liledevil | 1 running gentoo server |
| 15:04.59 | Liledevil | hopefully soon my fiancee on linux(prolly ubuntu as well) as well :p |
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| 15:05.30 | zleap | world domination is getting closer eh |
| 15:05.42 | zleap | i have created a poster for ubuntu 8.10 |
| 15:05.49 | zleap | so that should be on my site at some point |
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| 15:06.08 | geek | lol |
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| 15:06.20 | Liledevil | oops, sorry |
| 15:07.16 | Liledevil | personal note: dont configure multiple servers at once and try to keep up with IRC :p |
| 15:07.21 | geek | XD |
| 15:07.36 | geek | one never quite keeps up with IRC ;p |
| 15:08.06 | Liledevil | geek: well, there were times I was better at it :) |
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| 15:08.57 | Liledevil | but gonna try and beat some coworkers ass on the wii ;) |
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| 15:13.34 | lawnchair | im doing a -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no as a ssh option.... but it still bitches about host keys |
| 15:13.41 | lawnchair | anyone have any luck disabling host key checking completely? |
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| 15:13.58 | lawnchair | (yes i know its not a good idea but i have my reasons etc) |
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| 15:14.48 | dtcrshr | hi folks, my debian samba server its wasted. Today debian found some updates, and now the samba server its a joke. If i try to connect to the mapped network drives on the vista machines, the connection is refused (dont exists), but if i ping the server, or go to the explorer and reach throhg \\123.123.123.123, the mapped drives gots back |
| 15:15.02 | dtcrshr | its in ALL machines, i got 22 vista, and 5 xps |
| 15:15.18 | dtcrshr | yesterday was all doing fine, it started after the update |
| 15:15.42 | Hanselmaus | hey folks. I'm trying to restrict sshd to a certain set of hosts. so i added "sshd: 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.0" to hosts.allow and "sshd: ALL" to hosts.deny, and restarted ssh but found its not really doing it. I even removed the rule from hosts.allow so it should reject everything, but that doesn't work... debian etch... any ideas? |
| 15:15.45 | Flimzy | Okay, so I'm trying to build the broadcom proprietary drivers, and the build instructions assume the existence of /lib/modules/VERSION/build; This build directory doesn't seem to exist on my system. Where is this thing supposed to come from? |
| 15:15.47 | bolt-work | dtcrshr: check for bugs. also, if you can, try with a machine that has never connected to the drives. personal laptop or whatever |
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| 15:16.03 | oklinux | what do you think abrotman ? |
| 15:16.38 | zleap | is the build instructions assuming a specific distro |
| 15:16.49 | Flimzy | I wonder if that's just a symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 15:16.54 | bolt-work | dtcrshr: also, the general idea in networks with that many users is that if it works, don't try to fix it :) i'd go back to the old version and try the new one out on a test machine instead, before implementing it |
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| 15:17.29 | dtcrshr | i didnt tryed to fix, the debian gnome update features suggested an update |
| 15:17.32 | zleap | you can do ls to see if something is a sym link |
| 15:17.35 | dtcrshr | and i agreed,... fool of me |
| 15:17.40 | dtcrshr | how do i rollback this updates? |
| 15:17.44 | Flimzy | zleap: yes, but it doesn't exist on my system... :) |
| 15:17.47 | zleap | ok |
| 15:18.18 | bolt-work | dtcrshr: not by doing that, apparently... |
| 15:18.20 | Flimzy | ah, yes, it's a symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 15:18.22 | Flimzy | that's handy to know |
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| 15:18.49 | Bluechip | How do I ask for input during the installation of a package? Is there an official tutorial anywhere? |
| 15:19.02 | zleap | if you do |
| 15:19.04 | zleap | read n |
| 15:19.22 | zleap | then echo n in a script it will read any input in to variable n and pass it to echo i think |
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| 15:20.45 | gribouille | unetbootin didn't regognize the partition table on my hard drive |
| 15:20.52 | oklinux | debian just came out with http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05156 will my distro update to that distro ? |
| 15:21.16 | zleap | new debian is called squeeze isnt it |
| 15:21.30 | zleap | tht gives us debian geeks an excuse to buy a 3 eyed alien toy |
| 15:21.44 | abrotman | oklinux: see /topic |
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| 15:24.40 | ronr | are there any options I can add to find . -type d to exclude hidden directories (starting with a .)? |
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| 15:27.36 | ronr | ronr: and anything in hidden directories, so adding \(-iname "*" ! -iname ".*"\) doesn't do the trick |
| 15:28.10 | ronr | is starting to go crazy, talking to yourself in an IRC channel :( |
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| 15:28.42 | meeero | ftp-clients are getting the message `ftp: bind: Address already in use` since a restart, when accessing in active mode. this issue did not exist before, all i did was apt-upgrade and a restart - there is nothing else using port 21 - even when switching the ftp-daemon to another port i get the same message... any ideas? |
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| 15:32.17 | ronr | meeero: maybe an old version of the daemon is still running? |
| 15:32.26 | meeero | no, just one |
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| 15:33.35 | blubberdiblub | ronr: try "find /path -type d \( -name '.*' -prune \) -o -print", but if you give . as path, it will prune it right away, so use some real directory names |
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| 15:34.14 | Bluechip | where should I ask techies question about making deb packages? |
| 15:34.22 | Bluechip | *techie |
| 15:34.35 | meyou | !ask |
| 15:34.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:35.33 | meeero | any other ideas? e.g. how i could figure out what might use that port |
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| 15:36.44 | Bluechip | How do I get debian to request input during the installation of a .deb package? |
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| 15:37.26 | Bluechip | Is this the correct channel to ask about the creation of deb packages? |
| 15:38.39 | stew | Bluechip: that is generally done using debconf. i'd recommend looking at the .postinst script and .config of some other pacakge that does something similar to what you are trying to do |
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| 15:40.19 | Bluechip | Is the process not documented? |
| 15:40.23 | oklinux | any one have this error on boot up in dmesg ? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
| 15:40.42 | NinjaMan | oklinux: what happened to you yesterday! |
| 15:40.47 | Bluechip | (I've been at this all day, and frustration is starting to set in :( ) |
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| 15:41.22 | zleap | Bluechip: i find it helpful to take a break at this point then come back refreshed, |
| 15:41.34 | zleap | frustration can lead to more errors being made |
| 15:41.41 | AntiLiberal | More than 127 devices plugged in to the USB bus? |
| 15:41.54 | AbortRetryFail | doubt it |
| 15:41.59 | Bluechip | zleap: tell me about it |
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| 15:42.06 | AbortRetryFail | that's VERY hard to do without running out of power first. |
| 15:42.14 | NinjaMan | oklinux: good lord what are you doing? using your right nipple to type! |
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| 15:43.22 | AntiLiberal | AbortRetryFail, oklinux is out of USB power? |
| 15:43.44 | Bluechip | The bitch is that dpkg-reconfigure runs just fine! |
| 15:44.05 | Bluechip | Ie. the input box appears when I run dpkg-reconfigure, but not when I perform dpkg -i |
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| 15:46.18 | zleap | what sort of download speed should i get on an 8 megabit connection |
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| 15:46.22 | zleap | ? |
| 15:46.32 | blubberdiblub | Bluechip, have you tried reconfiguring debconf first? "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and then setting the minimum question priority to low |
| 15:46.41 | dustybin | Tracker: [Could not parse UDP hostname or port.] |
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| 15:46.50 | dustybin | how can one stop that message? |
| 15:47.09 | n3kl | dustybin: /load colornick.pl |
| 15:47.12 | dtcrshr | hi |
| 15:47.12 | n3kl | er |
| 15:47.14 | dtcrshr | im having an issue with my debian server, its randomly dropring the network connection.. any clues? |
| 15:47.15 | Bluechip | blubberdiblub: no I shall try that now |
| 15:47.18 | n3kl | dustybin: what are you dogin to get that message? |
| 15:47.26 | dustybin | downloading torrent |
| 15:48.32 | n3kl | dustybin: with what? |
| 15:48.38 | dustybin | rtorrent |
| 15:48.46 | dustybin | its ok, i think its a tracker problem |
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| 15:49.05 | n3kl | dustybin: try downloading bittornado, then use btshowmetainfo or something to see if the torrnet is valid |
| 15:49.06 | AbortRetryFail | AntiLiberal: ask oklinux about that. I'm just saying it's very difficult to connect up more than 127 devices before running out of power first... |
| 15:49.09 | n3kl | perhaps its a bad torrent file |
| 15:49.33 | d-b | AbortRetryFail: 127 usb .... rofl |
| 15:49.49 | d-b | why... |
| 15:49.56 | dustybin | n3kl: aye thanks |
| 15:49.58 | Bluechip | blubberdiblub: you're a hero ...now I need to work out how to make the question in my package more important :) ...If you know, please tell ...otherwise: thank you, I know what I'm looking for now :) |
| 15:50.08 | o2T7 | hi, I'm getting "iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries: libiw.so.27" on lenny with wireless-tools on its 29-1.1 version |
| 15:51.08 | erawfish | Bluechip: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 15:51.53 | o2T7 | Oh, sorry, I had an old version of the wireless-tools around |
| 15:52.15 | o2T7 | Do you know how to remove it since I have not the original Makefile? |
| 15:52.24 | Bluechip | erawfish: thanks |
| 15:52.47 | AbortRetryFail | d-b: pretty ridiculous eh? |
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| 15:53.20 | d-b | yeah. what devices tho.. |
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| 15:55.59 | n3kl | what is the purpose of /srv? |
| 15:56.51 | alcohol | ugh, I cant figure out why samba isnt working. windows gives me the login dialog, but it keeps saying my username and password dont match -- though I am 100% they do |
| 15:56.58 | alcohol | what log should I check for possible errors? |
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| 15:57.38 | Bluechip | alcohol: samba does not use the normal user passwords |
| 15:58.00 | alcohol | ok, what should I change then? |
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| 15:59.07 | blubberdiblub | alcohol: try "smbpasswd" |
| 15:59.13 | Bluechip | smbpasswd -a username |
| 15:59.28 | alcohol | oh |
| 16:00.26 | alcohol | damn, why did I miss that? :< |
| 16:00.37 | alcohol | why does it not use the linux users though? |
| 16:00.48 | alcohol | system users |
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| 16:03.44 | blubberdiblub | alcohol: that's because samba uses a different passphrase encryption scheme |
| 16:03.53 | cesar_CR | hello guys |
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| 16:04.30 | blubberdiblub | more appropriately, the smb/cifs protocol itself |
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| 16:10.22 | cesar_CR | doing a tftp transfer I get this erros in syslog: tftpd[20510]: tftpd: read: Connection refused |
| 16:10.25 | cesar_CR | and with tshark i get 5.866489 192.168.3.5 -> 192.168.3.1 TFTP Read Request, File: term06.default.loads\000, Transfer type: octet\000[Malformed Packet] |
| 16:10.26 | nfi|ermes | hi all |
| 16:10.36 | nfi|ermes | i have a directory with too many files to delete with rm command. Is there any other way to delete them all ? |
| 16:11.03 | cesar_CR | nfi|ermes, rm *.* ? |
| 16:11.22 | cesar_CR | guys any idea about the tftp error ? |
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| 16:11.49 | nfi|ermes | -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 16:11.53 | KRF | nfi|ermes, what? `rm *`? |
| 16:12.04 | oopps | nfi|ermes, i had that problem |
| 16:12.25 | oopps | nfi|ermes - i had to delete them in batches like rm a*, rm b* ... |
| 16:12.59 | cesar_CR | or maybe with a bash for loop ?? nfi|ermes |
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| 16:13.14 | KRF | overkill: find . | xargs rm |
| 16:13.22 | nfi|ermes | i tihnk there s a better way...like a script that list the directory and remove 1 by 1 the fuiles |
| 16:13.33 | KRF | nfi|ermes ^ |
| 16:13.41 | oopps | nfi|ermes, i think the shell expands the * to the command, so you script something in perl real quick, like "foreach my $file ( <dir/*> ) { `rm $file`; }" |
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| 16:14.52 | nfi|ermes | Thx KRF.. i think it works |
| 16:15.21 | simonrvn | er, that'll kill all files in PWD and below... |
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| 16:16.25 | nfi|ermes | rm: cannot remove `.' or `..' <---this is right, then it is going on to delete all other files |
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| 16:17.17 | simonrvn | because that find command is just like an ls |
| 16:17.34 | KRF | nfi|ermes, what do you want? only files in the current dir? |
| 16:17.49 | nfi|ermes | yes |
| 16:17.55 | nfi|ermes | you command works |
| 16:18.03 | nfi|ermes | your |
| 16:18.03 | simonrvn | man find |
| 16:18.15 | KRF | yes. but like simonrvn said. it removes files from subdirs, too |
| 16:18.39 | nfi|ermes | ah ok, but in this case i don t have subdirs |
| 16:19.31 | nfi|ermes | <KRF> yes. but like simonrvn said. it removes files from subdirs, too <---i don t think so |
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| 16:19.48 | simonrvn | man find |
| 16:19.52 | KRF | i do so :) |
| 16:20.02 | simonrvn | man find |
| 16:20.14 | nfi|ermes | if you don t give -rf parameter to rm command , it can t delete directories |
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| 16:20.43 | KRF | nfi|ermes, doesnt matter. find lists all files and are piped to rm |
| 16:20.48 | simonrvn | i didn't say dirs, i said files |
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| 16:21.29 | Moofius | Anyone know how to install mysql-server, when I try apt-get install mysql-server, it gets 90% of all memory, and then gives a error that it could not fork, because there was to little memory |
| 16:22.20 | Python1320 | Â Â Â Â Â |
| 16:22.38 | meyou | paste the erro? |
| 16:22.41 | meyou | *error |
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| 16:23.01 | dustybin | is it safe to leave ones VPN port open to the internet? |
| 16:23.18 | meyou | that's the point of a vpn port |
| 16:23.24 | meyou | if it's properly configured, yes |
| 16:23.29 | jelly-home | Python1320: you have written two empty lines in the last two hours. Speechless? |
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| 16:23.42 | Moofius | meyou: "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld/etc/init.d/mysql: fork: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 16:24.00 | dustybin | meyou: are VPN servers easy to exploit via hackers? |
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| 16:25.51 | Python1320 | jelly-home, |
| 16:25.52 | Python1320 | uh? |
| 16:26.01 | nfi|ermes | KRF, you are right |
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| 16:27.13 | jelly-home | "<Python1320>      " |
| 16:27.27 | Python1320 | jelly-home, huh? |
| 16:27.35 | Moofius | [18:22] Python1320: (incompatible encoding) <- he is writing something other than just spaces thou |
| 16:27.42 | dtcrshr | is there a way to rollback the debian updates? i think some of them crashed my samba server |
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| 16:27.48 | dtcrshr | the clients just drops at about 10 minutes |
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| 16:27.56 | Python1320 | Moofius, I haven't even looked at this channel for a while |
| 16:28.01 | Python1320 | fuck these custom xchat builds |
| 16:28.08 | jelly-home | Python1320: that's what your irc client wrote looks, just a couple spaces |
| 16:28.18 | infernix | one of my debian boxes shows high iowait with sar and top. besides slow harddisks, what other parts of a system can cause iowait to go up? |
| 16:28.22 | Python1320 | jelly-home, looks like this xchat is failing. |
| 16:28.30 | jelly-home | might be a script |
| 16:28.48 | Python1320 | nope |
| 16:28.52 | Python1320 | I haven't installed anything custom |
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| 16:28.57 | dtcrshr | anyone? how do i get debian to yesterdays state? |
| 16:29.02 | infernix | or is iowait only related to disk io and none other? |
| 16:29.08 | Python1320 | jelly-home, or was it right after I conneced? |
| 16:29.12 | Python1320 | *connected |
| 16:29.16 | dustybin | dtcrshr: turn on the time machine |
| 16:29.17 | Python1320 | oh wait |
| 16:29.18 | Python1320 | never mind |
| 16:29.27 | dtcrshr | [dustybin]: nice clue! |
| 16:29.37 | dtcrshr | i forgot mine at home |
| 16:29.41 | dtcrshr | gotta do it by hand now |
| 16:29.45 | n3kl | Can someone tell me what /srv is for? |
| 16:29.48 | dtcrshr | my command line time machine |
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| 16:30.03 | dustybin | dtcrshr: further details are found in the film 'back to the future" |
| 16:30.06 | dtcrshr | today the automatic updates download some headers, i think thats the issue |
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| 16:30.23 | jelly-home | Python1320: I can't see when you've connected, but it was [16:24] and [18:22] UTC+2 (125 and 7 minutes ago) |
| 16:30.31 | dtcrshr | but the system its fine, i just dont know what happend to a but so random |
| 16:30.33 | Python1320 | jelly-home, ok |
| 16:30.36 | Python1320 | thanks |
| 16:30.43 | Python1320 | Need to remove this xchat and get a better one |
| 16:30.44 | Python1320 | :\ |
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| 16:30.51 | Python1320 | Sadly the windows build is commercial :) |
| 16:30.52 | dtcrshr | if o go on the station that lost connection and ping the server the share gots back online |
| 16:30.53 | Python1320 | *:( |
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| 16:30.58 | jelly-home | -Python1320- VERSION RzCL 0.84 |
| 16:31.04 | Python1320 | jelly-home, faked |
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| 16:31.38 | Python1320 | I don't want everyone to see what I have because this is a custom build so it might have exploits. |
| 16:32.24 | jelly-home | there are well known free windows builds, aren't there? Myself I use the commercial build by the authors |
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| 16:32.45 | jelly-home | (when in Windows) |
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| 16:36.02 | Python1320 | jelly-home, bought? lol |
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| 16:36.46 | jelly-home | Python1320: yes |
| 16:36.49 | Python1320 | hmm ok |
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| 16:37.58 | roxazer | im installing debian, i have two partitions, / and SWAP, i don't have a separate /boot partition so should / be bootable? |
| 16:39.15 | n3kl | I fucked something up. When I try to log in through kdm, I get :Cannot save user authorization in home dir. Why? |
| 16:39.28 | n3kl | rather, what file is it trying to write to? |
| 16:40.27 | simonrvn | stuff in your ~/ of course |
| 16:40.32 | n3kl | roxazer: you will install grub to the mbr, if thats what you asking |
| 16:40.42 | n3kl | simonrvn: yeah, but which file, of cource? |
| 16:40.43 | stew | roxazer: if you are using a linux bootloader like grub or lilo, it doesn't matter what is marked as bootable, they ignore that flag anyway |
| 16:43.05 | roxazer | is it better that i have a SWAP partition, a / partition and /boot partition? |
| 16:43.17 | roxazer | im going to user GRUB |
| 16:43.18 | roxazer | use* |
| 16:43.23 | zleap | swap needs to be separate yes |
| 16:43.29 | roxazer | i know that |
| 16:43.39 | n3kl | I *prefer* to have /boot on a seperate partition. |
| 16:43.43 | roxazer | okey |
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| 16:43.57 | oopps | i have swap on a loopback file... ;) |
| 16:43.58 | roxazer | should it be like 32mb and bootable? |
| 16:44.13 | n3kl | oopps: sloooow |
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| 16:44.23 | n3kl | roxazer: got closer to 100M |
| 16:44.34 | n3kl | roxazer: if you get too many kernels, some will fail to install |
| 16:44.47 | zleap | ohh for a second i just hit over 100k download speed |
| 16:44.48 | zleap | ) |
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| 16:45.09 | roxazer | n3kl: its installing a kernel on all partitions? |
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| 16:46.20 | n3kl | roxazer: no, kernels are installed to /boot. If you end up having too may kernels installed on your system, you could have problems with only 32M. I am sugesting near 100M for /boot. |
| 16:46.25 | dtcrshr | hi folks, i got a debian file server, running samba 3.0.24. Today an odd issue came out, the clients lost theyr connection, in about 10, 15 minutes, and the mapped network drive says its no longer avaiable, or gots the "wrong password /user" message. This server its running fine for about 3 months, and never had an issue like that. If i go to the station, and ping the samba server, the share gets back online, only to be dropped after 15min. Googled a lot |
| 16:46.40 | oopps | hackers! |
| 16:46.48 | roxazer | n3kl: so i did a SWAP on 1GB, a /boot at 100MB and / with the rest |
| 16:46.57 | n3kl | roxazer: sounds fine |
| 16:47.00 | oopps | wrong addr after dhcp |
| 16:47.07 | roxazer | n3kl: i see, okey |
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| 16:47.57 | roxazer | n3kl: SWAP, /boot and / whould be Primary right? |
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| 16:48.42 | n3kl | yeah, eventually when you get more under your belt, you could start putting things like /tmp and /var and /usr and /usr/share in their own partitions, but what you have will work for starters just fine |
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| 16:49.14 | rupeng | . |
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| 16:49.39 | roxazer | n3kl: okey, one more thing, i choose that the SWAP partition should be att the Beginning, should i choose Beginning on /boot and / too? |
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| 16:50.03 | roxazer | im installing Debian on a server just so u know |
| 16:50.33 | n3kl | roxazer: its up to you. I almost always do /boot on partition 1, swap on partition 2, and / on partition 3. But that is more preference than any technical reason |
| 16:51.16 | n3kl | roxazer: just curious, is this a production server or a home server? |
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| 16:51.36 | roxazer | okey, i choosed that SWAP would be att the Beginning, of i choose that /boot is going to be at the beginning, is the SWAP partition going to be partition 2? |
| 16:51.50 | roxazer | and of i make / at the end, / will be partition 3? |
| 16:51.52 | roxazer | if* |
| 16:52.08 | n3kl | roxazer: ya |
| 16:52.26 | roxazer | okey, and /boot should be EXT3 the same as / ? |
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| 16:52.56 | roxazer | and /boot should be bootable right |
| 16:52.58 | n3kl | sure sure, its not going to be an issue until you start getting into manually editing your grub files and such, which you may not ever need to do. |
| 16:53.14 | n3kl | roxazer: you might just make a note of it or something so you have something to refer to later if you break your system |
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| 16:53.36 | roxazer | n3kl: a note of what? |
| 16:53.41 | roxazer | with what* |
| 16:53.42 | jelly-home | roxazer: there is no need to make /boot bootable |
| 16:54.08 | roxazer | jelly-home: should no partition be bootable? |
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| 16:54.26 | jelly-home | roxazer: right |
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| 16:54.54 | jelly-home | roxazer: only windows care about that flag |
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| 16:55.03 | arele | güenass |
| 16:55.11 | roxazer | jelly-home: okey |
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| 17:02.22 | roxazer | jelly-home n3kl: http://pici.se/pictures/eMYZZWwPz.jpg |
| 17:02.23 | roxazer | :) |
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| 17:03.06 | abrotman | hdb doesn't have any mount points AFAICT |
| 17:03.37 | roxazer | abrotman: no, im going to mount that one in /home later |
| 17:03.38 | roxazer | but |
| 17:03.42 | roxazer | i can do it now? |
| 17:03.43 | abrotman | why later? |
| 17:03.45 | abrotman | you can |
| 17:03.50 | roxazer | nice, |
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| 17:04.26 | roxazer | abrotman: erhm, where do i do that? |
| 17:04.39 | webPragmatist | whats the time wasting channel |
| 17:04.50 | webPragmatist | defocus |
| 17:04.55 | roxazer | i selected it and pressed enter |
| 17:05.05 | roxazer | but i dont find where to mount it |
| 17:05.30 | abrotman | you have to choose the partition and edit it and change the mount point |
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| 17:06.18 | roxazer | abrotman: i selected the rox that says #1 primary 80.0GB B ext3 |
| 17:06.23 | roxazer | row* |
| 17:06.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:06.26 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 17:11.25 | oklinux | SpongeBob, are you pant square ? |
| 17:12.02 | SpongeBob | umm, maybe this nick is not so wise |
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| 17:13.46 | octox2 | for aptitude, what is the difference between safe-upgrade and full upgrade? |
| 17:13.56 | Bart-simpson | hey SpongeBob |
| 17:14.12 | octox2 | if full like dist-upgrade for apt ? |
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| 17:15.14 | valdyn | octox2: that is explained in the manpage |
| 17:15.22 | octox2 | ok thanks |
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| 17:15.52 | Gryfelhas | roxazer: You want mount it in your home (insidde home in another directory?)or at your home |
| 17:16.04 | Raylz | does anyone else have this problem: http://www.bilder-space.de/upload/ur0acRzMdR1eUTx.png with the network manager applet? |
| 17:16.12 | Raylz | im connected to the internet though |
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| 17:16.56 | valdyn | Raylz: network manager will do this if you run something like dhclient behind it |
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| 17:17.19 | valdyn | Raylz: or if the interface is not even controlled by nm |
| 17:17.21 | Raylz | valdyn: network manager uses dhclient |
| 17:17.28 | valdyn | Raylz: no it does not |
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| 17:17.40 | Raylz | Raylz: i guess so |
| 17:17.45 | Raylz | doh |
| 17:17.50 | Raylz | valdyn: i guess so |
| 17:18.13 | Raylz | valdyn: but i dont run dhclient anyway |
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| 17:18.51 | octox2 | I have been having issues with statd for NFS hanging on boot one time, and not another time. Has anyone ever had this problem ? |
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| 17:20.03 | Raylz | valdyn: how do i solve it? |
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| 17:21.03 | roxazer | Gryfelhas: i want to mount thuis partition on /home |
| 17:21.08 | Raylz | valdyn: im just getting a HAL update, so lets see if it works :D |
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| 17:21.32 | roxazer | i have tho hard drives, one with / SWAP and /boot, and an other with just /home but its not mounted on /home |
| 17:21.38 | roxazer | i want to mount it on /home now |
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| 17:22.20 | Raylz | roxazer: edit your /etc/fstab |
| 17:22.34 | octox2 | a new version of etch was released on october right. I thought etch was already stable right? |
| 17:22.54 | roxazer | Raylz: i know that, but im installing debian atm, im partitionering now |
| 17:22.59 | roxazer | partitioning* |
| 17:23.19 | Gryfelhas | roxazer: Create the 2nd Harddisc |
| 17:23.22 | Gryfelhas | as one partion |
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| 17:23.27 | Gryfelhas | and name it /home |
| 17:23.36 | roxazer | Gryfelhas: ehrm, it has a partition |
| 17:23.40 | roxazer | but its not mounted |
| 17:23.44 | stew | octox2: yes, etch has been stable for around 1.5 years. however new revisions to the stabe cds are released periodically to incorporate interim security updates |
| 17:23.48 | Gryfelhas | ok, then do it later |
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| 17:23.52 | pappanz | hello. I have removed ipw2200 module with 'modprobe -r'. how do I get it back loading at startup? a simple modprobe ipw2200 doesn't work! |
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| 17:23.58 | Gryfelhas | and continue to install :) |
| 17:24.19 | roxazer | Gryfelhas: look at this picture http://pici.se/pictures/eMYZZWwPz.jpg i want to mount hdb1 on /home |
| 17:24.29 | roxazer | as u can see its not mounted, but i mount it later |
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| 17:25.25 | Gryfelhas | roxazer: So your problem is solved or not? |
| 17:25.40 | Gryfelhas | If not, is /home not on the same menu selctable as /boot and / ? |
| 17:25.50 | seed | can i upgrade to squeeze now? |
| 17:26.17 | Raylz | roxazer: just put it into your fstab later on ;) |
| 17:26.19 | octox2 | stew: I was just reading that lenny will get security updades after etch would(etch being of higher priority). What about new software that enteres the arena? |
| 17:26.21 | zleap | not sure |
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| 17:26.41 | magyar_ | hi, i am on lenny and have flash non-free installed. I get no sound on youtube |
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| 17:27.24 | roxazer | Gryfelhas: /home is going to end up in / for now, but later im going to mount hdb1 to /home/ instead |
| 17:27.36 | roxazer | but i can do that later |
| 17:28.08 | stew | octox2: its not necessarily true that lenny will get security updates after etch would. afaik, lenny is getting full security support now. all of the recent DSAs have included a fix for lenny. No new software should be entering at this point since lenny is frozen |
| 17:28.12 | roxazer | as i can see on the partition table #1 partition is SWAP, and #2 is /boot,m shouldn't i have /boot at #1 and SWAP at #2? |
| 17:29.05 | octox2 | stew: oh, i didnt know lenny was frozen. Why is that?Hope you dont mind be picking your brain :) |
| 17:29.36 | stew | octox2: lenny is frozen becuase we are trying to release it asap (/msg dpkg lenny status) |
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| 17:29.41 | Raylz | so, when lenny comes out will it be rly stable or stable like ubuntu releases :D |
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| 17:30.11 | Raylz | currently its less stable than my ubuntu 8.10 beta |
| 17:30.20 | roxazer | so, now i got #1 /boot, #2 SWAP, #3 / :) |
| 17:30.29 | octox2 | stew: oh, cool, I didnt see a release date on the web site |
| 17:30.37 | seed | is squeeze available? |
| 17:30.39 | n3kl | where is the information for a purge located? Say I had a package installed. I removed it, removed the source from which it came, and did and update. Will dpkg still be able to purge the configs? |
| 17:30.40 | d-b | roxazer: funny that. my ubuntu 8.10 SO a lot less stable than my debian lenny system |
| 17:30.48 | stew | octox2: debian never sets release dates. it sets release goals and releases whenever the goals are met |
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| 17:31.01 | octox2 | ahhh, nice |
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| 17:31.04 | stew | seed: not until lenny is released |
| 17:31.07 | seed | k |
| 17:31.11 | d-b | sorry i meant Raylz |
| 17:31.18 | roxazer | all right :D |
| 17:31.21 | Raylz | stew: i hope the dont rush the release |
| 17:31.42 | Raylz | they* |
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| 17:31.55 | d-b | Raylz: ubuntu 8.10 is using bleeding edge software. it shouldn't be more stable than lenny |
| 17:31.56 | stew | Raylz: debian has not been known to rush releases before. this one is certainly not looking like it will be rushed |
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| 17:32.29 | zleap | well i guess we want to avoid the ubuntu 8.04 firefox fiasco |
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| 17:32.32 | zleap | which is a good thing |
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| 17:32.53 | pobega | Hi. WPA stopped working for me, and so has GPG. I may have removed a package needed for encryption...anyone have any idea what package it is? |
| 17:33.07 | octox2 | stew: after lenny is released, will the repos be maintained with new software updates, or will that continue in the next code named unstable version ? |
| 17:33.11 | Raylz | d-b: i know, thats why im wondering; currently im not satisfied with lenny, unfortunately |
| 17:33.43 | n3kl | Anyone using openvpn over their wireless network care to explain how they did it? |
| 17:33.54 | octox2 | stew: I guess my question is, does it stay frozen, or just untill after the release is done |
| 17:33.56 | d-b | Raylz: i am. i don't think you should touching 8.10 until its released tho. |
| 17:33.57 | wintix | i have the following cpu: model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz. what debian version do you recommend? i am not sure if amd64 is the right thing and i can't find a em64t version. any ideas? |
| 17:34.02 | stew | octox2: when debian makes a release, the testing version becomes the stable version, the testing version is copyied and given a new codename (the next one will be squeeze). unstable never changes it is always unstable and is codenamed sid |
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| 17:34.45 | stew | octox2: once sqeeze is created, the blocks which are preventing package from moving from unstable to testing are removed and packages start flowing into testing again (which makes just post release a particularly rough time for running testing) |
| 17:34.47 | d-b | n3kl: setup openvpn first then get the client to connect. have a firewall rule to prevent any connections giong anywhere but the port for openvpn. or just use ssh tunneling ... |
| 17:35.24 | Raylz | wintix: amd64 is 64bit, that also applies to intel 64bit |
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| 17:36.24 | n3kl | d-b: that solution would imply that the wireless network be on its own subnet, correct? |
| 17:36.32 | wintix | Raylz: i will give it a try. thank you |
| 17:37.11 | d-b | n3kl: if you want to do openvpn and wifi its up to you. |
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| 17:38.01 | n3kl | d-b: yeah, well thanks for the insight. My wireless is so jacked up at my house its nearly unusable, and I don't know why |
| 17:38.07 | n3kl | I just need a new solution |
| 17:38.10 | EmleyMoor | How, properly, do I save my alsa mixer settings? |
| 17:38.12 | Raylz | wintix: its a bit sucky to get adobe flash player to work on 64bit |
| 17:38.23 | n3kl | EmleyMoor: alsactl store |
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| 17:38.25 | d-b | n3kl: cough cough wpa2 / radius with openwrt. |
| 17:38.28 | stew | Raylz: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:38.35 | Raylz | wintix: bunch of retards at adobe if you ask me ;) |
| 17:38.38 | stew | Raylz: or aptitude install gnash |
| 17:38.55 | n3kl | d-b: is openwrt better than ddwrt? |
| 17:39.03 | Raylz | stew: flash player is only installabel over ndiswrapper on 64bit |
| 17:39.05 | EmleyMoor | n3kl: One of the settings isn't being kept |
| 17:39.10 | n3kl | d-b: and why radius? for mac address authentication? |
| 17:39.17 | stew | Raylz: correct. and the flashplugin-nonfree package does this for you |
| 17:39.18 | n3kl | EmleyMoor: beats me |
| 17:39.28 | d-b | n3kl: not better different. i'm actually running x-wrt with only wpa2. radius cuz i assumed you were being paranoid. |
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| 17:40.18 | Raylz | stew: oh, nice :P |
| 17:40.40 | n3kl | d-b: I have ddwrt, two routers, only one of them setup, and my wireless is shit. It ran for a long time without issues, now its so weak its nearly undetectable. |
| 17:40.57 | n3kl | d-b: but the radious portion would be for mac authentication, right? |
| 17:41.02 | EmleyMoor | Every time I come back to it, line in has unmuted. I need to make it default to muted |
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| 17:41.28 | d-b | n3kl: that might be you using the higher power output dd-wrt provided on your wireless hardware leading to loss of signal / hardware degration. |
| 17:41.35 | d-b | n3kl: radius ... just for radius. |
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| 17:42.28 | wintix | can i use debootstrap to replace a running system? i can find lots of howtos on how to create a chroot, but not how i do a switch of architecture of a running system |
| 17:42.31 | n3kl | d-b: but I have always missed something about the use of radius and wireless. What is it going to be authenticating. The mac address? Will the user have to type a passphrase? What? |
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| 17:43.45 | d-b | ~radius |
| 17:43.45 | apt | Remote Authentication Dial In User Service. URL: http://www.livingston.com/tech/docs/radius/ |
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| 17:45.21 | abrotman | wrong bot |
| 17:45.49 | d-b | abrotman: why ? is apt to be depreciated vs dpkg ? |
| 17:46.20 | abrotman | !radius |
| 17:46.20 | dpkg | from memory, radius is http://www.livingston.com/tech/technotes/500/index.html#RADIUS. Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | oh jeez ... |
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| 17:46.29 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 17:46.40 | d-b | abrotman: '_0 |
| 17:47.00 | HSorgYves | a short postfix question: if i rewrite $1@pt.lu to $1+pt.lu+password@mydomain.com using sender_canonical_maps and then $1+pt.lu+password@mydomain.com back to $1@pt.lu; how big is the risk to get abused as open relay for xxx@pt.lu? |
| 17:47.14 | d-b | abrotman: the link seems wrong. |
| 17:47.21 | enouf | d-b: just a fyi - the term is 'deprecated' |
| 17:47.35 | simonrvn | !dict depreciated |
| 17:47.35 | enouf | d-b: and the answer is nah ;-) |
| 17:47.38 | dpkg | Dictionary 'depreciated' [imp. & p. p. {Depreciated} (d[-e]*pr[=e]"sh[i^]*[=a]`t[e^]d); p. pr. & vb. n. {Depreciating} (d[-e]*pr[=e]"sh[i^]*[=a]`t[i^]ng).] [L. depretiatus, depreciatus, p. p. of depretiare, -ciare, to depreciate; de- + pretiare to prize, fr. pretium price. See {Price}.] To lessen in price or estimated value; to lower the worth of; to represent as of little value or claim to esteem; to undervalue. --Addison. [1913 Webster] Which . . . ... |
| 17:47.48 | simonrvn | !dict deprecated |
| 17:47.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'deprecated' (1 of 3): p. {Deprecated} (-k[=a]`t[e^]d); p. pr. & vb. n. {Deprecating} (-k[=a]`t[i^]ng).] [L. deprecatus, p. p. of deprecari to avert by prayer, to deprecate; de- + precari to pray. See {Pray}.] To pray against, as an evil; to seek to avert by prayer; to seek deliverance from; to express deep regret for; to desire the removal of. [archaic] [1913 Webster] 2. To protest against; to advance reasons against. [PJC] His purpose ... |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | HSorgYves: #postfix |
| 17:48.00 | ShishKabab | Hello. I'm trying to build a Google V8 sample (C++). I'm linking to the v8 library. I get a linker error undefined reference to `sem_init'. In which library can I find sem_init? |
| 17:48.14 | HSorgYves | abrotman: they are all sleeping or drunk ;-) |
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| 17:49.30 | enouf | simonrvn: the important part is "to desire the removal of" ;-) |
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| 17:49.31 | d-b | goes to drunk and sleep |
| 17:49.37 | enouf | swams with the fishes :-P |
| 17:49.54 | simonrvn | enouf: depreciated is almost correct, but not quite |
| 17:50.19 | enouf | simonrvn: right - it almost works, but would've made more sense some time back |
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| 17:51.06 | simonrvn | in another context it would be, but not how s/he used it |
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| 17:51.29 | jelly-home | ShishKabab: man sem_overview says librt |
| 17:53.27 | ShishKabab | Thakns! Works like a charm. Is there any way to search all man pages so I can find this kind of info on my own? |
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| 17:59.48 | jelly-home | ShishKabab: apropos somekeyword |
| 18:00.16 | roxazer | how do i change sources.list so i get packages from lenny/sid instead of getting etch packages? etch packages is so out-dated and as far as i know lenny/sid has up-to-date packages |
| 18:00.24 | jelly-home | ShishKabab: man sem_init would have pointed you to sem_overview, too |
| 18:00.34 | erawfish | roxazer: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 18:01.00 | roxazer | erawfish: thx |
| 18:01.21 | ShishKabab | jelly-home: Already tried that. vincent@vincent-desktop:~/Expiriments/v8$ man sem_init |
| 18:01.21 | ShishKabab | No manual entry for sem_init |
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| 18:01.37 | jelly-home | ShishKabab: you don't have manpages-dev installed |
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| 18:02.20 | jelly-home | ShishKabab: apt-file search /sem_init would have found that, /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:04.14 | enouf | ShishKabab: you might like dlocate ; update-dlocatedb also (though not meant for files/pkgs not yet installed) |
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| 18:05.07 | enouf | (they're in the same pkg called dlocate, didn't mean any confusion the way i wrote it) |
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| 18:06.06 | ShishKabab | Okay. Thank you all for the fast response! Those are very useful tips. |
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| 18:07.43 | Sweetandy | If everybody here were a developer for Debian, then that would be almost everybody. |
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| 18:11.26 | moodog | evening all |
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| 18:11.34 | _Mojo_ | greetings to all |
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| 18:12.14 | Sweetandy | hello all |
| 18:12.48 | _Mojo_ | recently I installed etch on DELL T105 and noticed my broadcom extreme gigabit netcard have not been recognized by default 2.6.18 kernel. |
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| 18:13.15 | _Mojo_ | how can I upgrade to etch-and-half ? |
| 18:13.28 | _Mojo_ | i am relative new to debian administration |
| 18:13.31 | Raylz | valdyn: hm, still doesnt work properly |
| 18:13.33 | De_Mon | what does -and-half mean? |
| 18:13.49 | ShishKabab | I'm guessing Lenny. |
| 18:13.59 | _Mojo_ | on debian website in no info about upgrading etch to etch-and-half |
| 18:14.07 | _Mojo_ | just a fresh install |
| 18:14.29 | De_Mon | hrm, i guess I haven't read that web page |
| 18:14.43 | Raylz | _Mojo_: just change all etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and run a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:14.50 | Raylz | dist-upgrade* |
| 18:15.04 | Raylz | lol, my nic |
| 18:15.10 | esaym | how to unhold package in aptitude gui? |
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| 18:15.24 | Raylz | esaym: aptitude unhold package |
| 18:15.55 | esaym | Well I used the gui to hold a whole bunch, I would like to know how to use the gui to unhold them... |
| 18:16.01 | _Mojo_ | Raylz: is it really safe to upgrade directly to lenny ? |
| 18:16.30 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: depends if its a new system |
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| 18:16.45 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: if you got a lot of software installed it might brake |
| 18:16.48 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: yes, it's a fresh install |
| 18:16.49 | Ralyz | break* |
| 18:16.52 | rafajsp | Mojo, yes ... once u got a fresh install |
| 18:17.06 | Sweetandy | _Mojo_ I use lenny by default, and it works great. |
| 18:17.11 | rafajsp | me too |
| 18:17.49 | _Mojo_ | guys, it is really safe even for a server ? |
| 18:18.19 | _Mojo_ | i'm running a router in a large mpls network with ssh/ftp/mail/* services |
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| 18:19.38 | Sweetandy | _Mojo_: I wouldn't, but that's just me. Servers need to be rock-solid stable, I think. |
| 18:20.03 | _Mojo_ | all I wanted to do is just to keep the fresh Etch installation an upgrade only the kernel to 2.6.24 in advance to recongnize my netcard. |
| 18:20.03 | rafajsp | I agree with Sweetandy ... |
| 18:20.39 | _Mojo_ | Sweetandy: i agree with you too |
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| 18:21.00 | Sweetandy | That's why they call etch the stable distro |
| 18:21.23 | esaym | n/m "+" unmarks |
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| 18:21.41 | _Mojo_ | presently i'm still running sarge as a primary server and wanted to migrate to freshly installed etch on a new dell T105 |
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| 18:22.29 | _Mojo_ | however, broadcom drivers for gigabit ethernet is included in 2.6.24 (eth-n-half) which I currently does not have. that is all. |
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| 18:24.00 | n3kl | Why would I be getting: kdm: :0[3385]: Can't save user authorization in home dir |
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| 18:24.18 | _Mojo_ | so my question was simply how to upgrade to this: http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 |
| 18:24.56 | _Mojo_ | cause i'm bit afraid of lenny for now ... please excuse |
| 18:25.06 | stoffell | _Mojo_, apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 18:25.22 | stoffell | _Mojo_, but it's only a few packages that are etchnhalf.. kernel and driver related stuff |
| 18:25.30 | erawfish | _Mojo_: etchnhalf is pretty much only a new kernel, rest etch |
| 18:26.11 | _Mojo_ | erawfish: that is exactly i'm looking for, i'd like to stick with etch packages and all the rest. |
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| 18:26.49 | rafajsp | _Mojo_ try kernel-package |
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| 18:27.42 | _Mojo_ | rafajsp: is that all just to manually upgrade kernel-package ? |
| 18:29.03 | Ralyz | why is there no tool like eix in debian? |
| 18:29.19 | n3kl | wtf is eix? |
| 18:29.44 | Ralyz | n3kl: a lot better version of apt-cache search for gentoo |
| 18:29.53 | Ralyz | apt-cache search is just horrible |
| 18:29.59 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: because the community is somewhat satisfied with the current state of indexind and searching of packages |
| 18:30.17 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: i'm missing eix on debian too |
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| 18:30.41 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: i dont like to launch synaptic everytime i look for a package |
| 18:31.00 | n3kl | what does eix do that dpkg won't? |
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| 18:32.37 | Ralyz | n3kl: shows version of installed program, description, take a look at that horrible picture^^ http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/66504750_b17ffd97ed_o.png |
| 18:32.55 | _Mojo_ | n3kl: i'm not sure I can handle all the stuff in dpkg as a real debian experienced user, but is there possible to list duplicates and slotted packages with dpkg ? |
| 18:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | duplicates? |
| 18:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | slotted? |
| 18:33.24 | Ralyz | n3kl: heres a better one http://eix.sourceforge.net/screenshots/default-format.png |
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| 18:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, there are no duplicate packages installed on your system - if it's got the same name, one is an upgrade to the other (or a downgrade the other way around) - so it'll get substituted |
| 18:34.08 | n3kl | dpkg -l? |
| 18:34.09 | dpkg | n3kl: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:34.12 | _Mojo_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, slot is a term from gentoo distribution where a package can have multiple version installed, e.g. qt, kernel package and so on. |
| 18:34.33 | rafajsp | dpkg -l package-name |
| 18:34.34 | dpkg | ii package-name 3.4-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:34.48 | abrotman | misses the gamp collection ... |
| 18:34.50 | n3kl | Ralyz: apt-cache policy, apt-cache show, dpkg -l. Whats wrong with any ofht those |
| 18:35.18 | abrotman | !version |
| 18:35.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 18:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, oh, that - well, those get a version name within the package - so you would probably catch them (+plus some unrelated stuff) with dpkg -l |awk '{print $2}' |grep [0-9] |
| 18:35.36 | stoffell | imho, it's just a totally different approach... gentoo is not debian... |
| 18:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 18:35.55 | Ralyz | rafajsp: look at that output http://rafb.net/p/zkSdBI81.html |
| 18:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, I meant dpkg -l |awk '{print $2}' |grep [0-9]$ |
| 18:36.23 | abrotman | Ralyz: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 18:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, obviously not perfectly, though :) |
| 18:36.40 | rafajsp | i did ... |
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| 18:36.57 | Ralyz | abrotman: that looks a lot better |
| 18:37.29 | abrotman | Ralyz: also 'apt-show-versions` |
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| 18:37.37 | rafajsp | i agree |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | not as useful for a single version of debian .. but it's available |
| 18:37.46 | _Mojo_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I certainly understand that surely there is a way how to list all the packages stuff in debian too, but eix is doing is it very pleasantly and with many options in a short withou using awk and that brutal stuff. |
| 18:37.57 | rafajsp | i don't use synaptic |
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| 18:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk is brutal? :) |
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| 18:38.31 | n3kl | _Mojo_: its a different approach, but I have never been without the information I need if you just learn the commands |
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| 18:38.35 | omry | I want to dist upgrade my server from etch to lenny, anything I should be aware of before I start? |
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| 18:38.53 | _Mojo_ | stoffell: yes, you're right, gentoo is not debian and vice versa. but comparing some good thing from both is vital to all of us. |
| 18:38.59 | n3kl | omry: got any third party sources? |
| 18:39.10 | omry | n3kl, got a few etch backports. |
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| 18:39.21 | n3kl | omry: other than that? |
| 18:39.25 | omry | nope. |
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| 18:39.37 | n3kl | omry: I think as long as you don't have any third party sources, you should be good. |
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| 18:39.48 | abrotman | omry: if it's public .. i wouldn't do that just yet |
| 18:39.49 | n3kl | omry: have you prayed toward mecca recently? |
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| 18:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, I'm not sure why you would want to get *all* packages that are installed with different versions, though - if you just want to see what versions e.g. python is installed "dpkg -l python*" would do that for you |
| 18:40.11 | n3kl | abrotman: some news flash I should know about? |
| 18:40.22 | _Mojo_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, i prefert to avoid awk in all cases. isn't it more comfortable just to list something with integrated option rather that typing with awk |
| 18:40.33 | Ejdesgaard | i got a problem when i follow: http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 18:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, and "dpkg -l python* |grep ii" for the installed ones |
| 18:40.59 | Ejdesgaard | i get the following error: 221 2.7.0 Error: I can break rules, too. Goodbye. Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 18:41.35 | omry | abrotman, the problem is that I am having some issues with trac, which are probably because I am using an old version of mysqlite and possibly also because I use python 2.4 and not 2.5. those problems force me to restart apache every 3-4 days (after it gets stuck). you still think I should wait? |
| 18:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Mojo_, I dunno... I don't see anything wrong with selecting part of your output with grep/awk. Obviously not everything I wanted to do could possibly be anticipated when writing any program :) |
| 18:42.35 | omry | n3kl, nope. I don't bend that way :) |
| 18:42.49 | abrotman | n3kl: it's not released ? |
| 18:42.59 | _Mojo_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i understand you. is it possible to search in category name with dpkg ? |
| 18:43.00 | n3kl | omry: abroatman would know better than I, listen to hum |
| 18:43.00 | Insolit | guys does it make sense to have RAID with different sized disks? or that depends on the raid we're about to use? |
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| 18:43.13 | n3kl | abrotman: ah, right |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | omry: it's up to you .. i personally wouldn't do it .. but it's your call |
| 18:43.47 | n3kl | Insolit: Usually that is a dumb idea |
| 18:43.58 | Insolit | thought so :) |
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| 18:44.07 | Insolit | what if it's just RAID0 ? |
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| 18:44.17 | Insolit | that way there's no problem right? |
| 18:44.18 | n3kl | Insolit: mdadm can do it, but you are going to be limited to the smallest disk, iirc |
| 18:44.24 | omry | abrotman, alright. thanks. |
| 18:44.36 | omry | wish me luck :) |
| 18:44.55 | kwabbles | is away: Gone away for now. |
| 18:44.59 | mplex | so I just installed a new network card that is supposed to be supported, modprobed for the driver and it found the card looking at /var/log/messages, but no new eth interface shows up in ifconfig, is there something else I need to do or how can I find out? |
| 18:45.23 | mplex | Oct 24 14:43:00 hal kernel: Intel(R) PRO/10GbE Network Driver - version 1.0.109-k2-NAPI |
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| 18:45.48 | _Mojo_ | mplex: show us the tail of your dmesg output please |
| 18:45.58 | n3kl | Anyone know why all of a suddent I am not able to log into kdm? I get Can't save user authorization in home dir |
| 18:46.18 | stoffell | mplex, ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:46.22 | mplex | nohing showed up in dmesg, only after I modeprobed did something show up |
| 18:46.40 | mplex | yea its just not in ifconfig -a |
| 18:47.01 | mplex | maybe I need to modprobe it with some options |
| 18:47.10 | stoffell | mplex, as mojo asked, what did it show in dmesg ? |
| 18:47.19 | cfchris6_ | mplex: maybe it's something about udev? |
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| 18:48.03 | mplex | this is it on two line - Intel(R) PRO/10GbE Network Driver - version 1.0.109-k2-NAPI - Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation. |
| 18:49.09 | Ralyz | does anyone know how to set the same colors in the bash like gentoo? debian bash is just plain ugly |
| 18:49.14 | mplex | hmm, I might need the ixgbe module and not the ixgb module |
| 18:49.50 | mplex | which I don't have |
| 18:50.35 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: take a look in your .bashrc |
| 18:51.03 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: uncomment the appropriate line to allow the regular user have colorized prompt in your console |
| 18:51.07 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: force_color_prompt=yes |
| 18:51.13 | Ralyz | still plain ugly^^ |
| 18:51.15 | mplex | is there an extended modules package out there? this is for etch |
| 18:51.33 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: where did you find that option ? |
| 18:51.47 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: in my bashrc |
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| 18:52.09 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: after changing the .bashrc you have to logout and login or source the file. |
| 18:52.54 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: did that |
| 18:53.07 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: where can i set specific colors? |
| 18:53.23 | Ralyz | the ones activated arent good |
| 18:53.31 | Ralyz | eyesores^^ |
| 18:53.55 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: dont know that |
| 18:53.57 | n3kl | Dood export you magic pretty $PS1 from you fricking gentoo installation, then export PS1 on you debian prompt, and viola! |
| 18:54.05 | Ralyz | _Mojo_: sry that i bugged you |
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| 18:54.22 | mplex | so is it common to backport 2.6.26 to the current etch release? |
| 18:54.35 | Ralyz | n3kl: if i knew where it hides, id do that xD |
| 18:54.47 | _Mojo_ | Ralyz: that is ok, you're welcome |
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| 18:56.10 | n3kl | Ralyz: echo $PS1 |
| 18:56.13 | _Mojo_ | people, i'd like to know from all of us if possible what si your opinion about similaritis between gentoo and debian distribution and why some of you there are angry about gentoo at all ? |
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| 18:57.07 | n3kl | gentoo = waste of time |
| 18:57.08 | _Mojo_ | I started using gentoo 5 years ago and I satisfied for general testing purposes but as a server, i would never recomended it. I still prefer debian that way. |
| 18:57.45 | stoffell | _Mojo_, same here.. debian as a server.. rolling release like gentoo is nice for desktop/test though... |
| 18:57.57 | _Mojo_ | n3kl: yes, that is right, but the passion of fine-tunning my own baby from top to down is just so sexy that I can't be without it. |
| 18:57.59 | cfchris6_ | _Mojo_: exactly what I think, my servers are debian, workstations and desktop are gentoo |
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| 18:58.55 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 18:58.56 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 18:59.17 | _Mojo_ | I think they're very similar and also many devs out there tend to use both for home and work use. |
| 18:59.26 | rick_777 | guys, i just installed Mepis 8.0b2 (based on Lenny). Can I qualify as a Lenny beta-tester? |
| 18:59.32 | Ralyz | n3kl: \[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 18:59.39 | abrotman | rick_777: if you install lenny you can .. Mepis is not Debian |
| 18:59.42 | Ralyz | n3kl: where to put that? |
| 19:00.11 | rick_777 | abrotman: I see.... thanks |
| 19:00.55 | simonrvn | rick_777: no |
| 19:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | he doesn't see? |
| 19:01.46 | stoffell | lol |
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| 19:26.40 | Samuel-NotAFK | I can't completely remove firestarter for some reason. :( |
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| 19:26.51 | abrotman | errors are helpful! |
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| 19:26.57 | Samuel-NotAFK | E-bola: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 19:32.16 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:35.29 | eptalon | Pet project of mine, dont know if its doable. Debian with XFCE, bootable form USB stick (256 or 512M) to run on a P3 with 256M ram? |
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| 19:36.03 | zleap | eptalon: try dsl |
| 19:36.24 | zleap | or there are small distros out there based on debian |
| 19:36.30 | eptalon | zleap: does that have a Graphical UI? |
| 19:36.41 | eptalon | zleap: ubuntu? |
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| 19:36.49 | zleap | dsl does yeah |
| 19:36.51 | a[u]stin | eptalon: FLUXBOX LAST I CHECKED |
| 19:36.54 | a[u]stin | ops |
| 19:37.05 | zleap | i am downloading the new one now |
| 19:37.07 | a[u]stin | caps sorry |
| 19:37.21 | eptalon | a[u]stin: Of course, burning a "boot of the CD" live distro is another option |
| 19:38.27 | a[u]stin | eptalon: i was answering your question about dsl, it uses fluxbox for it's window manager |
| 19:38.41 | eptalon | a[u]stin: Oh, ok. |
| 19:39.06 | zleap | you could download dsl, and then use qemu or similar to play withit on a virtual machine |
| 19:42.30 | paxcoder | zleap, imo it's simpler to just dump it onto /dev/sda :-P |
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| 19:44.12 | eptalon | Other option, which virtualisation technique do you recomment to install a virtual windows onto a (Debian testing) box? |
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| 19:45.02 | dudeman | virtualbox |
| 19:45.13 | dudeman | by far the easiest to use/implement |
| 19:45.37 | dudeman | eptalon, aptitude install virtualbox-ose and go from there |
| 19:45.47 | a[u]stin | *cough*qemu*cough* |
| 19:45.48 | eptalon | dudeman: will try. |
| 19:45.54 | dudeman | a[u]stin, you crazy man |
| 19:45.59 | dudeman | qemu is a slow piece of crapola |
| 19:45.59 | a[u]stin | haha |
| 19:46.11 | dudeman | oh you wuz kiddin dog |
| 19:46.17 | dudeman | word homie |
| 19:46.20 | Samuel-NotAFK | Can Windows XP games be played using virtualbox? |
| 19:46.24 | roxazer | i have changed the ssh-port to another than 22, and if i then connecting through ssh to my debian server i get this message, what will i do? http://rafb.net/p/hchOkz71.html |
| 19:46.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | (3d games) |
| 19:46.30 | dudeman | Samuel-NotAFK, only dx8 games afaik |
| 19:46.32 | a[u]stin | kemu isn't *that* bad |
| 19:46.36 | nocte | virtualbox under linux and windows yes |
| 19:46.41 | dudeman | Samuel-NotAFK, there is no 3d emulation |
| 19:46.42 | dudeman | or support |
| 19:46.56 | a[u]stin | delete your ~/.svn directory |
| 19:47.07 | dudeman | unless you have i/o virtualization in your cpu and have vmware (virtual box is free and not so advanced) |
| 19:47.12 | a[u]stin | roxazer: rm -rf ~/.svn |
| 19:47.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | Okay; I'll stick with wine to play my games then. |
| 19:47.16 | dudeman | then you can have 3d accel inside vm |
| 19:47.35 | a[u]stin | roxazer: unless you have keys or something then be more careful |
| 19:47.41 | a[u]stin | roxazer: otherwise trash it all |
| 19:47.42 | dudeman | don't rm it |
| 19:47.53 | dudeman | roxazer, mv ~/.svn ~/.svn_backup |
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| 19:47.58 | dudeman | stupid idea to rm it |
| 19:48.01 | dudeman | whats the matter with you |
| 19:48.05 | eptalon | dudeman: vmware no good? |
| 19:48.10 | dudeman | eptalon, not free |
| 19:48.12 | a[u]stin | dudeman: its not that big of a deal |
| 19:48.14 | dudeman | its excellent |
| 19:48.21 | roxazer | a[u]stin: dudeman thx |
| 19:48.25 | dudeman | a[u]stin, its a huge deal, what if you need it back? |
| 19:48.35 | a[u]stin | dudeman: then you are screwed |
| 19:48.36 | eptalon | dudeman: better that virtualbox? |
| 19:48.44 | dudeman | eptalon, helluva lot better, but non-free |
| 19:48.52 | dudeman | and not supported here |
| 19:48.59 | a[u]stin | dudeman: but i know i would never need it back usually, otherwise i would be more careful |
| 19:49.05 | a[u]stin | wait |
| 19:49.09 | roxazer | a[u]stin dudeman: i dont think i have a .svn |
| 19:49.10 | a[u]stin | since when is virtualbox free |
| 19:49.18 | dudeman | its always been free |
| 19:49.24 | dudeman | look at virtualbox-ose |
| 19:49.27 | dudeman | open source edition |
| 19:49.32 | a[u]stin | ah i see |
| 19:49.48 | eptalon | dudeman: Will it run sometjing like WinXP? |
| 19:49.59 | dudeman | absolutely, even vista isn't a problem |
| 19:50.06 | a[u]stin | i might have to try it |
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| 19:50.38 | eptalon | dudeman: Server 2008? |
| 19:50.45 | dudeman | probably not |
| 19:50.48 | dudeman | I have no idea |
| 19:50.54 | dudeman | check out #virtualbox ? |
| 19:50.54 | dudeman | maybe |
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| 19:52.13 | Vlad | hi all ! my wisp gives me ip address 10.2.130.118, gateway 10.2.0.1 and netmask 255.255.255.0 instead of 255.255.0.0, so evry time i must "route add -net 10.2.0.0/16 -interface re0" and "route add default 10.2.0.1". Windows and Mac users don't care of this, but I can't go on internet without that two commands. I added it in rc.local and evrything goes fine, but finally the question is: is there a more intelligent way to do this? why windows and |
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| 19:53.06 | atari_ | hi |
| 19:54.01 | paxcoder | hello |
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| 19:55.06 | Hash9 | Hey, I'd like to discuss http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501969 |
| 19:55.30 | steve_j | hi all |
| 19:55.31 | steve_j | i've just had a few IPs associated wiht my new dedicated host, but am wondering how to configure my box to know that those IPs are its IPs |
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| 19:55.57 | JordiGH | How can I run a process but not allow it to occupy more than a set amount of memory? |
| 19:57.29 | a[u]stin | JordiGH: man ulimit |
| 19:57.33 | abrotman | Hash9: Talk amongst yourselves</ChurchLady> |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | Hash9: what about it? |
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| 19:57.59 | Hash9 | abrotman: how to make it not happen/fix it properly |
| 19:58.09 | JordiGH | a[u]stin: Thanks, just found it. :-) |
| 19:58.13 | abrotman | Hash9: that's your bug? |
| 19:58.22 | frank_ | Hi, I have to mount a encrypted debian disk on my other debian computer... how can i do that? i have read a wiki on how-to create it... but i dotn know how to mount it |
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| 19:58.47 | Hash9 | abrotman: well I work for the person who created it |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | Hash9: get your lazy boss in here! :) |
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| 19:59.01 | Hash9 | abrotman: and he asked me to look into it |
| 19:59.13 | abrotman | Hash9: if you know the module, oculd you add it to the initramfs? |
| 19:59.53 | frank_ | I do not have the mapper files |
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| 20:01.35 | aragonX | steve_j: If you want to assign more then one IP to one interface you can use "Secondary IP Addresses" OR "IP Aliases". |
| 20:01.52 | Hash9 | abrotman: I think it is, let me check |
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| 20:02.11 | abrotman | Hash9: alternately .. ask #debian-kernel on OFTC |
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| 20:03.03 | Hash9 | abrotman: the modules are there, they just don't load before the mount is attempted |
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| 20:03.36 | abrotman | before mounting even / ? |
| 20:04.03 | Hash9 | abrotman: well it's trying to mount / before the modules have been loaded |
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| 20:04.15 | abrotman | right .. so you can't even do an init script to do that |
| 20:04.53 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: hello. lazy boss here. |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | ack! |
| 20:05.07 | abrotman | hides |
| 20:05.22 | Hash9 | abrotman: the issue seems to be that although the init script will wait on devices being created by udev after it's started, but since the kernel is booted using lilo the device code is passed and the script creates the device |
| 20:05.23 | whyzzyrd | lol |
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| 20:05.52 | abrotman | you're using swraid 1 with lilo? |
| 20:06.22 | abrotman | Hash9: did you add the module to the initramfs or it was already there? |
| 20:06.37 | Hash9 | abrotman: the module was already there |
| 20:06.39 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: no. It's hardware raid. |
| 20:06.43 | abrotman | Hash9: what happens if you install lenny directly? |
| 20:07.15 | eptalon | whyzzyrd: Hardware raid or hardware-assisted raid, mobo function, or special controller card? |
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| 20:07.31 | whyzzyrd | eptalon: LSI Megaraid |
| 20:07.55 | whyzzyrd | eptalon: in this case it's a drop-in card, but some dell server mobos have them on the board. |
| 20:08.05 | frank_ | Hi, I have to mount a encrypted debian disk on my other debian computer... how can i do that? i have read a wiki on how-to create it... but i dotn know how to mount it |
| 20:08.57 | whyzzyrd | eptalon: but, it is a proper hardware raid controller. |
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| 20:09.23 | abrotman | Hash9: there are multiple megaraid drivers in lenny |
| 20:09.28 | Hash9 | sorry about that client crashed |
| 20:09.31 | abrotman | !find megaraid lenny |
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| 20:10.02 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: there'll be the old one, the new one, and the SAS one? |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | of course .. there also used to be megaraid2 |
| 20:10.23 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: or did they remove the old one? |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | there are for megaraid*.ko |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | four |
| 20:10.30 | Hash9 | abrotman: the correct module is in the intrd because the device is detected after the mount is attempted when you drop to the initramfs shell |
| 20:10.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'megaraid' (2 of 13): (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common/drivers/scsi/megaraid/Kconfig.megaraid) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common-xen/drivers/scsi/megaraid/Kconfig.megaraid) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common-xen. |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | dpkg: that didn't really help |
| 20:10.44 | dpkg | abrotman: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:11.05 | abrotman | Hash9: do you know the PCI ID of the card? |
| 20:11.09 | whyzzyrd | Hash9: indeed. about 3 or 4 seconds after it goes boom. |
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| 20:11.20 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to see when my computer was on and when it was off, because the power kept going on and off and I need to know when it was off |
| 20:11.38 | frank_ | Hi I have a external HD which i have installed debian (with encrypted fylesystem on from install) how can i mount this HD from within debian? |
| 20:11.46 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: yup. One mo. I've 5 identical machines |
| 20:12.42 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: 0000:15:07.0 0104: 1000:1960 (rev 01) |
| 20:13.14 | simonrvn | dpkg: that didn't really help is <reply>$nick: find it yourself, then |
| 20:13.14 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 20:13.47 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: It's a PERC4/DC |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | it says the megaraid_mbox is the driver |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | in lenny |
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| 20:14.44 | Hash9 | abrotman: it is possible to get the machine to boot the after the install, but you have to manually edit the lilo.conf to override the root= option with the sd** name for the device |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | edit it to do what? |
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| 20:15.14 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: The driver is in the initrd, the initrd just doesn't wait for it to load. |
| 20:15.34 | abrotman | isn't there a command to have the init stuff wait .. hrm ... |
| 20:15.50 | Hash9 | abrotman: edit it to append root=/dev/sda1 (for example) to the kernel line |
| 20:15.50 | zleap | ok i have logged back in |
| 20:16.06 | abrotman | Hash9: and if you do that permanently ? |
| 20:16.12 | Hash9 | abrotman: which makes the init script wait for that device to be created by udev rather than using the one that's created by the script |
| 20:16.14 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: How about I explain the situation. One takes a perfectly working server, dist-upgrades it, and it doesn't boot. |
| 20:16.32 | zleap | ok perhaps i do need to reboot |
| 20:16.36 | zleap | i just got the same message |
| 20:16.42 | zleap | when trying to access the cd |
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| 20:16.50 | RoXaZer | should you have capital letters in your hostname? |
| 20:17.04 | frank_ | I have /dev/hdc1 encrypted with teh debian installer, how can i mount this frmo within a different debian installation? |
| 20:17.18 | oopps | whyzzyrd, i trashed a raid array doing that the other day |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | whyzzyrd: i got that ... |
| 20:17.31 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: Aside from all the poking about, the reason it doesn't boot is because the initrd doesn't load the disk drivers before attempting to mount the filesystem. |
| 20:17.44 | whyzzyrd | oopps: software raid, I presume. |
| 20:17.46 | abrotman | there is a command to load the modules ... |
| 20:17.47 | zleap | why would network manager be automatically installed with HAL |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | load_modules |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.58 | oopps | whyzzyrd, couldnt roll back to last kernel (where module worked) because all libraries upgraded too... |
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| 20:18.01 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 20:18.14 | edwin_quijada | How can I delete files with 0 bytes? |
| 20:18.15 | whyzzyrd | oopps: yuck. |
| 20:18.25 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: You can grep "Linux version" /var/log/messages should show every reboot. |
| 20:18.32 | oopps | whyzzyrd, yea, sw raid im pretty sure... dont got the real money for hw |
| 20:18.33 | abrotman | there's also "scandelay" for usb devices, but that might work for your situation |
| 20:19.05 | zleap | hmm |
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| 20:19.53 | Hash9 | abrotman: the issue is that inserting random waits isn't an entirely scalable solution, since it depends on exactly what hardware is in a machine |
| 20:20.16 | zleap | how do i reinstall hal |
| 20:20.19 | simonrvn | edwin_quijada: um, with rm ... |
| 20:20.31 | abrotman | Hash9: it's not, but you could use it to create more details in the bug report |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | Hash9: as i said before .. you may want to try #debian-kernel on OFTC, if they are active |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | Hash9: have you tried to upgrade one of these boxes to the etchnhalf kernel? |
| 20:21.41 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: no, but we could, trivially. |
| 20:21.50 | abrotman | i'm wondering if it's a lenny issue, or a bug introduced into the kernel |
| 20:22.00 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: luckily, this is the spare, test one. |
| 20:22.03 | abrotman | and etchnhalf is .24 and lenny is .26 |
| 20:22.10 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: Doesn't seem to be working |
| 20:22.36 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: I'm minded to believe that it's an initramfs creation bug |
| 20:23.29 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: I get "Binary file (standard input) matches" |
| 20:24.16 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496300 .. while taht guy complains about USB stuff, seems very similar |
| 20:24.21 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=initramfs-tools;dist=testing |
| 20:24.35 | nocte | hi |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | but there's no fix either |
| 20:24.45 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: Which Kernel do you use? Maybe your kernel log a different string during boot, maybe it is in another logfile of syslog. I use syslog-ng with individual config, so my logfiles are non standart. |
| 20:24.50 | Hash9 | whyzzyrd: the script is very simmilar betwen versions |
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| 20:25.02 | nocte | which graphical desktop environment should i install with a 333mhz PC ? |
| 20:25.05 | nocte | xcfe ? |
| 20:25.08 | nocte | *xfce |
| 20:25.12 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: If I look in the file I do see a string saying Linux Version |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | Hash9: tried mounting via UUID instead of device name? |
| 20:25.42 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: but there's tons of lines |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | nocte: just try it |
| 20:26.14 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: kudos for working the bugs system. When I made the bug report, I hadn't time to investigate it properly. And I still don't, hence having someone else do it. |
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| 20:26.31 | abrotman | whyzzyrd: you still made it here! :) |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | wait .. it's like .. 9pm there |
| 20:26.55 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: It's 21:30, or thereabouts |
| 20:26.56 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: My systems log line like "Linux version 2.6.22-2-686 (Debian 2.6.22-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070812 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-15)) #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007" on reboot. Each line indicates an single reboot. |
| 20:27.01 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: on a Friday night |
| 20:27.38 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: "Linux version 2.6.26-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080623 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-23)) #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 14:16:53 UTC 2008" |
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| 20:28.02 | abrotman | aragonX: are you on lenny? |
| 20:28.12 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: A normal cat works but it seems grep goes insane over the cat output |
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| 20:28.45 | aragonX | abrotman: No I am using Etch. |
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| 20:28.55 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 20:29.03 | GhostlyDeath | "strings" work |
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| 20:29.14 | abrotman | aragonX: there are newer backported kernels and etchnhalf |
| 20:29.44 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: grep "Linux version" /path/to/logfile should do the job. |
| 20:30.05 | n3kl | hal got fixed! YAY! |
| 20:30.09 | GhostlyDeath | aragonX: complains about binary |
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| 20:31.27 | aragonX | abrotman: I know, but I am running an asterix server with misdn on this system. Changing kernel is a bit of work. |
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| 20:32.05 | asdf1 | hi, I'm trying to follow the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en for installing from a usb stick. But doing it the flexible way hasn't worked. And now I want to try doing it the simple stupid way, but I can't find the img file I'm supposed to zcat. |
| 20:32.11 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: Which file do you grep? Please, post the complete command. |
| 20:32.22 | rektide | i just ran apt-get update.... i've never seen this before, its "Convert: acl 2.2.47-2"..... all osrts of Convert: lines.... what the hell is it? |
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| 20:32.39 | GhostlyDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.54 | GhostlyDeath | # cat /var/log/messages | grep "Linux version" |
| 20:33.13 | GhostlyDeath | grep string file says the same basic message |
| 20:33.20 | GhostlyDeath | Binary File matches |
| 20:33.22 | Welshman | don't you know? |
| 20:33.30 | rektide | this is taking freaking forever, what are these "Convert: ...." lines that apt-get update is throwing at me? |
| 20:34.04 | Welshman | rektide are you on the Security mailing list? |
| 20:34.09 | rektide | no |
| 20:34.17 | Welshman | I suggest you join |
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| 20:34.33 | Welshman | it's quite interesting actually |
| 20:34.37 | stew | rektide: what command is producing that output? |
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| 20:34.41 | abrotman | aragonX: got it |
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| 20:35.51 | rektide | apt-get update |
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| 20:36.10 | zleap | i am doing that now |
| 20:36.10 | Hash9 | GhostlyDeath: use: grep -a |
| 20:36.30 | aragonX | GhostlyDeath: If grep thinks /var/log/messages is binary, then maybe your locales are misconfigured and there are special non ascii characters that grep do not understand. Please, read "man grep" an try option --text. |
| 20:36.35 | Hash9 | GhostlyDeath: that will force grep to treat the file as text |
| 20:36.46 | manu_hack | hi, when running mplayer with cpufreq set to ondemand, the sound gets a lot of noise, but when set to performance, the sound is normal, so is it the problem of mplayer or cpufreq? |
| 20:36.50 | Welshman | rektide trying my server now |
| 20:36.55 | rektide | Welshman: i dont see anything immediate on security announce that gives me any idea what these "Convert:" things I've never seen are |
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| 20:36.56 | Hash9 | aragonX: it could also be that there are dumps from bad programs in there |
| 20:36.59 | zleap | lenny mirrors are nice and fast |
| 20:37.04 | Welshman | looking |
| 20:37.07 | rektide | its been a month or two since i've apt-get updated' |
| 20:37.20 | Hash9 | aragonX: that have just dumped binary blobs into syslog |
| 20:37.33 | stew | rektide: "apt-get update" or "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 20:37.35 | adnc | hello, i installed mailman and the package didnt create a user named mailman doesnt the debian installation need a username? |
| 20:37.47 | rektide | stew: "apt-get update" |
| 20:37.51 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you are as root i see - try echo $LANG and even run 'locale' |
| 20:37.56 | stew | rektide: can you show us the output? : use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:38.00 | zleap | yeah i am having hal issues so doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to make sure i have the latest stuff |
| 20:38.01 | aragonX | Hash9: Ok, but I have never seen that. |
| 20:38.04 | enouf | you'll notice it's different than as username |
| 20:38.09 | Welshman | nothing on my server |
| 20:38.30 | Welshman | it is probably your sources |
| 20:38.44 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: and stop with the cat | grep .. just grep :-P |
| 20:39.00 | rektide | http://paste.debian.net/19937/ <--- "Convert:" hell |
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| 20:39.01 | Insolit | anyone here had problems installing xen with the network-bridge script? |
| 20:39.23 | Welshman | sudo? |
| 20:39.31 | Welshman | just ssh in as rot |
| 20:39.36 | Welshman | root |
| 20:39.40 | rektide | friends dont let friends login as root |
| 20:39.46 | Welshman | ah |
| 20:39.58 | whyzzyrd | rektide: heh |
| 20:40.51 | asdf1 | Ok, now I've gotten the image file i need, but this isn't working: |
| 20:40.51 | asdf1 | asdf@HP530:~/Desktop$ sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:40.51 | asdf1 | bash: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied |
| 20:41.00 | asdf1 | oops, sorry if that's a spammin' |
| 20:41.26 | oopps | thats a paddlin |
| 20:41.27 | Hash9 | asdf1: sudo bash -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1" |
| 20:41.29 | neoice | is sdb1 mounted with write permissions? |
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| 20:41.57 | Welshman | rektide if its not your system how the fk do you know whats going on with it? |
| 20:42.04 | asdf1 | I dunno, but Hash9 instruction seems to be doing somethin... |
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| 20:42.13 | simonrvn | asdf1: sudo doesn't run redirections as root, redirections run as your user, hence needing the sh -c "" |
| 20:42.14 | Hash9 | asdf1: otherwise the redirection is performed as the current user not the root one |
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| 20:42.25 | Welshman | get root man |
| 20:42.48 | whyzzyrd | Welshman: that might not be possible |
| 20:42.56 | asdf1 | Ah yes, ok that makes sense. The directions are for debian machines, but I'm trying to set this up from an ubuntu partition. If I had debian installed, I wouldn't need help installing debian? |
| 20:43.15 | asdf1 | Thanks Hash9 and simonrvn |
| 20:43.22 | simonrvn | what does that have to do with sudo? |
| 20:43.24 | simonrvn | np |
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| 20:43.59 | asdf1 | Alternatively, I could simply su and then run the instructions... if I understand you correctly. |
| 20:44.53 | asdf1 | Well, it is done. So if I see you again tonight, it is because I have failed to install a minimal debian system. best, |
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| 20:47.47 | Welshman | rektide source version mismatch, skipping. |
| 20:47.58 | Welshman | your answers lies in there I guess |
| 20:48.05 | Welshman | -s |
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| 20:51.11 | rektide | Welshman: do you always interject needlessly with not-helpful information? suggesting what to do would be helpful, telling people they dont know what hte fuck their doing doesnt substantiate your notion you have any idea what hte fuck is doing at all. |
| 20:51.22 | Welshman | always |
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| 20:51.33 | rektide | apt-get was running /usr/lib/ia32-archive |
| 20:51.36 | rektide | on my amd64 system |
| 20:51.57 | rektide | the bin that was running was in there |
| 20:52.19 | rektide | just the apt-get update alone was doing god knows what |
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| 20:52.41 | Welshman | its probably you fking at your end |
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| 20:53.01 | rektide | stick a fork it in, turd sandwitch |
| 20:53.09 | Welshman | :) |
| 20:53.23 | Welshman | it is |
| 20:53.32 | enouf | hrm, !pebkac seems apropos at this point :-p (but to whom?) |
| 20:53.39 | rektide | i havent done jack and you dont have the faintest idea what it would take to cause this |
| 20:53.44 | Welshman | fk with yoyr system then wonder why things go wrong |
| 20:53.45 | Welshman | lol |
| 20:53.51 | rektide | you're berating me in complete ignorance |
| 20:53.55 | rektide | go eat boogers |
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| 20:53.59 | Welshman | whatever |
| 20:54.06 | stew | Welshman: rektide: can you guys take this elsewhere please and keep this channel on-topic |
| 20:54.08 | Welshman | just trying to help |
| 20:54.11 | enouf | guys - there is the /ig option |
| 20:54.20 | Welshman | stopped |
| 20:54.22 | stew | rektide: what version of apt is installed? |
| 20:54.54 | Welshman | he doesnt know |
| 20:55.08 | rektide | 0.7.14+b1. theres also an ia32-archive package installed, version 11 |
| 20:55.35 | Welshman | rektide sorry if I wound you up |
| 20:55.53 | rektide | its okay, but i could've sworn we had a "kick useless trolling cunts" policy |
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| 20:56.11 | Welshman | thats not saying ok |
| 20:56.37 | Welshman | thats ok with + |
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| 20:56.49 | whyzzyrd | look, gentlemen, please.. |
| 20:57.02 | Welshman | someone answer him then |
| 20:57.31 | rektide | its strange that /usr/lib/ia32-archive/bin/apt-update would get called by apt even though that bin folder is not in my path |
| 20:57.38 | rektide | i dont know why apt-get would opt to use that one |
| 20:57.45 | rektide | but that seems to be the inciting incident |
| 20:57.46 | enouf | rektide: use strace |
| 20:57.48 | Welshman | is this a desktop |
| 20:57.56 | Welshman | silly but has to be asked |
| 20:57.58 | rektide | dev workstation. it runs X |
| 20:58.02 | zleap | if i do apt-get update then upgrade do i need to reboot |
| 20:58.04 | zleap | ? |
| 20:58.06 | enouf | maybe even the -f option |
| 20:58.13 | enouf | zleap: no |
| 20:58.15 | enouf | well |
| 20:58.20 | zleap | ok |
| 20:58.25 | enouf | if a new kernel is installed , then yes zleap |
| 20:58.30 | rektide | zleap: no. the only thing requiring a reboot would be a new kernel, and your system apprears to run without a new one. |
| 20:58.30 | zleap | i will see if this fixes the hal problem |
| 20:58.32 | Welshman | zleap just with kernel stuff |
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| 20:58.40 | zleap | ok |
| 20:58.45 | enouf | zleap: wait |
| 20:58.50 | Welshman | it will tell you |
| 20:58.55 | zleap | its not finished yet |
| 20:59.00 | enouf | zleap: are you using any proprietary drivers? |
| 20:59.02 | zleap | or its still upgrading |
| 20:59.07 | enouf | like 3D graphics? |
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| 20:59.07 | zleap | nvidia |
| 20:59.11 | zleap | yes |
| 20:59.19 | enouf | well, a new kernel will require you reinstall all that |
| 20:59.24 | zleap | i know |
| 20:59.37 | zleap | i still seem to be on a very old kernel 2.6.18 i think |
| 20:59.43 | enouf | also, what about wifi / ndiswrapper? |
| 20:59.44 | zleap | lenny did not seem to update to a new one |
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| 20:59.51 | zleap | erm not using wifi |
| 20:59.52 | enouf | lenny uses .26 |
| 20:59.55 | zleap | hmm |
| 21:00.08 | enouf | uname -r |
| 21:00.08 | dustybin | I have a NFS mount what looks like this: |
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| 21:00.08 | dustybin | drwxrwx--- 10 root users 4096 2008-10-24 21:51 music |
| 21:00.08 | stew | rektide: check the documentation for ia32-archive, and the bts for both ia32-archive and apt |
| 21:00.09 | Welshman | nowt wrong with that my server is on 2.6.18 |
| 21:00.14 | Welshman | solid |
| 21:00.17 | dustybin | I've added the user on the client and server to the 'users' group but keep on getting 'permission denied' when trying to access the mount on the client. The user on the server and client use the same user id? |
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| 21:00.30 | rektide | stew: check check, just started going through apt. |
| 21:00.37 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: etch.5 goes boom, in the same manner. |
| 21:00.47 | zleap | Linux duron1600 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:00.49 | zleap | see |
| 21:00.54 | zleap | which i see as odd |
| 21:01.04 | zleap | i would have expected it to upgrade the kernel |
| 21:01.12 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: on the lenny install. We'll do a etch install, then etch.5 it to see what happens |
| 21:01.23 | zleap | k |
| 21:01.30 | enouf | do you have security repos also enabled? .18-4 is even old |
| 21:01.50 | zleap | is this bad |
| 21:01.51 | zleap | Fontconfig warning: adding <cachedir>~/.fontconfig</cachedir> |
| 21:01.51 | zleap | Fontconfig error: out of memory |
| 21:01.51 | zleap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.54 | enouf | !security |
| 21:01.54 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 21:02.04 | zleap | sorry |
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| 21:02.36 | zleap | not sure |
| 21:02.37 | Welshman | thanks for the info :) |
| 21:02.50 | enouf | wtf does fontconfig have to do with what we were discussing? anyways- i gotta go out for a while - hope you solve it |
| 21:03.03 | zleap | seems like it |
| 21:03.22 | zleap | security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 21:04.06 | zleap | can i remove just the hal package |
| 21:04.13 | zleap | and force it to install a new one |
| 21:04.26 | Welshman | apparently ubuntu 8.10 has at fglrx drivers for xorg 7.4 |
| 21:04.29 | abrotman | whyzzyrd: plain lenny goes boom too ? |
| 21:04.45 | abrotman | whyzzyrd: oh awit .. you're saying that if you update from etch to etch+1/2 .. the same thing happens |
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| 21:05.15 | Hash9 | abrotman: we did etch->lenny which went boom |
| 21:05.22 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: If we install the etch.5 kernel on the box that's been upgraded to lenny, and won't boot the lenny kernel, it won't boot the etch.5 kernel either |
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| 21:05.45 | abrotman | whyzzyrd: i was asking if you had etch.. and installed the etchnhalf kernel if it still failed to boot |
| 21:05.52 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: we're currently doing a fresh etch install, to bump to etch.5 to see what happens |
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| 21:06.05 | aragonX | I have performance problems with an HP ML350G5 with "HP Smart Array E200i? Controller and one single SATA Disk. The System runs Etch and Kernel 2.6.22 with cciss driver version 3.6.14. Random Reads from Disks only gets 1 MByte/s an Random Writes are even slower (0.58 MBytes/s). Any Ideas what the cause can be and how to improve this? |
| 21:06.13 | Welshman | tch 5? |
| 21:06.18 | Welshman | *tch |
| 21:06.23 | Welshman | tch |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | !tell Welshman about etchnhalf |
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| 21:06.50 | Welshman | my kyboard gon funny |
| 21:06.53 | Welshman | no |
| 21:07.04 | whyzzyrd | Welshman: appears you beered it |
| 21:07.09 | Welshman | lol |
| 21:07.17 | Welshman | nw kyboard |
| 21:07.27 | whyzzyrd | Welshman: it'll be ok so long as you don't use any letter "e"'s :) |
| 21:07.30 | Welshman | now th lttr dos not work lol |
| 21:07.52 | Welshman | bizzar |
| 21:07.53 | whyzzyrd | Welshman: pick it up, grab both sides, twist gently. |
| 21:07.54 | abrotman | Welshman: have you tried #debian-offtopic ? |
| 21:07.57 | Welshman | haha |
| 21:08.07 | Welshman | gaming kyboard |
| 21:08.24 | Welshman | hav to rboot |
| 21:08.28 | Welshman | lol |
| 21:08.42 | whyzzyrd | thank god for that |
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| 21:09.46 | JordiGH | Silly question, does popcon send email? |
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| 21:10.11 | dustybin | is /etc/exports the only file NFS uses for permissions? |
| 21:10.52 | zleap | is it safe to do |
| 21:10.55 | zleap | apt-get remove hal |
| 21:11.03 | zleap | then apt-get install hal |
| 21:11.05 | zleap | ? |
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| 21:11.50 | stew | zleap: why would you? perhaps you want "apt-get install --reinstall hal" or "aptitude reinstall hal"? but what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:12.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: man page? |
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| 21:12.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, I'm not on Debian right now... |
| 21:12.33 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's a yes-no question anyways. :-/ |
| 21:12.45 | zleap | hal is not working |
| 21:13.01 | zleap | or if i try to unmount a device it says feature only available with hal |
| 21:13.05 | zleap | unmount with kde |
| 21:13.05 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://packages.debian.org/etch/popularity-contest |
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| 21:16.12 | apogeer | hello need some help with debian install pls |
| 21:16.19 | rycar | how do I get that smallest possible debian install for a virtual machine? I pretty much want a clean slate that I can use apt to expand from. |
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| 21:16.39 | abrotman | rycar: use the netinst .. that gives you a basic debian install |
| 21:16.39 | stew | rycar: debootstrap |
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| 21:17.04 | aragonX | If anyone here has a system with HP Smart Array Controller and/or cciss driver it would be nice if you can send me: Controller Typ, Driver Version and the Output of "tiobench --size 2048 --dir /dir/on/cciss/drive --threads 1 --block 4096 ; cat /proc/loadavg". I like to know if performance is a general problem with this Controller/Diver or if the problem is our setup. |
| 21:17.06 | apogeer | cant configure my netwqork adapter |
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| 21:17.27 | rycar | abrotman: how basic? i want only whatever it takes to get bash and apt-get running |
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| 21:17.46 | zleap | http://pastebin.com/m2d2a5bc7 |
| 21:17.54 | apogeer | Realtek RTL8168C /8111C model ,and cant get it work |
| 21:18.14 | zleap | i get that error if i do dpkg -l hal |
| 21:18.20 | apogeer | any suugestions? |
| 21:18.21 | zleap | not sure if its good / bad |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | apogeer: which version of debian ? |
| 21:18.43 | apogeer | anyine can help? |
| 21:18.49 | apogeer | 4.0 |
| 21:18.51 | apogeer | for amd |
| 21:18.58 | abrotman | i think it's r8169 for the driver |
| 21:18.58 | apogeer | amd64 |
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| 21:19.26 | dustybin | i have a user on my client box what has the exact same user id and group id as whats on my server box. i have set my NFS mount permissions as root:users and placed that user in the users group, why does one get 'permission denied' when trying to access the NFS mount? |
| 21:19.45 | apogeer | so i install .then aptget for driver package installation ? |
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| 21:20.22 | whyzzyrd | dustybin: users have same gid on both boxes? |
| 21:20.28 | dustybin | whyzzyrd: yes |
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| 21:21.28 | apogeer | tyvm |
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| 21:22.58 | dustybin | whyzzyrd: i forgot re-login to for the group id |
| 21:23.16 | whyzzyrd | dustybin: ah |
| 21:24.20 | dustybin | whyzzyrd: its ok now, thanks :) |
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| 21:25.45 | JordiGH | A mail agent is part of the base install, isn't it? |
| 21:26.25 | whyzzyrd | dustybin: no problem. I didn't do anything :) |
| 21:27.29 | stew | JordiGH: which type of mail agent are you talking about? |
| 21:27.49 | JordiGH | stew: exim4 postfix nbsmtp |
| 21:28.34 | whyzzyrd | abrotman: etch system with update to etch.5 kernel exhibits same symptoms |
| 21:29.05 | stew | JordiGH: yes, exim4 is Priority: standard |
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| 21:30.10 | JordiGH | stew: Is it possible to have Debian without any mail agent at all? |
| 21:30.41 | dudeman | i don't think so |
| 21:30.54 | dudeman | you can try something like nullmailer but you have to have an mta I think |
| 21:31.03 | Welshman | same question but to clamav |
| 21:31.34 | stew | JordiGH: sure, though its not recommended |
| 21:31.42 | Welshman | I think clamav is Linux's first virus |
| 21:31.47 | dudeman | you're a virus |
| 21:32.08 | Welshman | how come? |
| 21:32.11 | Doctor_Nick | Welshman: no |
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| 21:32.19 | Welshman | pain in the as |
| 21:32.21 | Doctor_Nick | i know at least nod32 for linux has been around for a while |
| 21:32.26 | Welshman | clamav |
| 21:32.28 | JordiGH | stew: I was almost sure that if you unselected all tasksel tasks, you would still end with an mta installed. |
| 21:32.34 | Welshman | try to get rid of it |
| 21:32.35 | Doctor_Nick | clamav may be the first free software scanner for linux |
| 21:32.47 | dudeman | Doctor_Nick, he said clamav was a virus |
| 21:32.50 | zleap | no clam av is designed to be run on linux so it can scan e-mails detined for windows boxes i think |
| 21:32.52 | Welshman | Linux needs virus software? |
| 21:32.58 | Doctor_Nick | o |
| 21:33.08 | dustybin | this is how NFS is supposed to work, root cannot access the NFS mount, but a selected user can :) |
| 21:33.13 | Welshman | try to remove clamav |
| 21:33.22 | Welshman | like a barnicle |
| 21:33.23 | stew | Welshman: what is wrong with removing clamav? |
| 21:33.28 | zleap | well if you use linux as a mail server, you can at least scan mails that come in |
| 21:33.37 | Welshman | run nessus |
| 21:33.37 | stew | Welshman: what do you mean by "like a barnicle"? |
| 21:33.37 | zleap | but its safer as they can't run on linux |
| 21:34.00 | Welshman | clamav is a security problem |
| 21:34.06 | stew | Welshman: what are you talking about? |
| 21:34.14 | Welshman | run nessus |
| 21:34.14 | dudeman | trolling? |
| 21:34.18 | Welshman | no |
| 21:34.26 | stew | Welshman: do you have an actual debian related question? |
| 21:34.37 | Welshman | yes |
| 21:34.39 | zleap | i did |
| 21:34.41 | stew | Welshman: what is it? |
| 21:34.44 | Welshman | why promote clamav |
| 21:34.57 | stew | Welshman: what? how is this related to debian? |
| 21:35.02 | Welshman | when Nessus says its a security threat |
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| 21:35.13 | Welshman | its in your packages |
| 21:35.21 | zleap | i am sure you can disable it |
| 21:35.22 | stew | Welshman: if you have a debian related question, please ask it |
| 21:35.27 | Welshman | no |
| 21:35.32 | Welshman | disable it, |
| 21:35.38 | Welshman | IMPOSSIBLE |
| 21:35.42 | Welshman | sorry |
| 21:35.51 | zleap | nothing is impossible |
| 21:35.57 | dudeman | sure it is |
| 21:35.57 | solid_liq | I want to install a newer version of git than is in etch on my server, but I don't want to have newer versions for anything I don't need to have for the newer version of git installed (ie, I don't want to just enable a full backports repo)... how do I do this? |
| 21:35.59 | Welshman | I agree |
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| 21:36.18 | stew | Welshman: if you don't have a debian related question, please keep quiet, and stop spouting random nonsense. |
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| 21:36.31 | JordiGH | solid_liq: A backports repo should allow you to install only the one package you want. This is kinda what a backport is. |
| 21:36.34 | Welshman | ok |
| 21:36.46 | dudeman | I think he wants to know why we have clam av packages if some nessus person says clam av is a sercurity risk |
| 21:36.49 | Welshman | its not nonsense though |
| 21:36.51 | dudeman | which doesn't make any sense |
| 21:37.16 | Welshman | money somewhere |
| 21:37.31 | solid_liq | JordiGH: so it won't upgrade other packages when I do 'aptitude upgrade' if I have a backports repo configured? |
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| 21:37.43 | neoice | solid_liq: I just installed my first backport yesterday. it'll fetch all the updated packages, but it'll list them as |
| 21:37.45 | stew | Welshman: what do you mean by "money somewhere"? |
| 21:37.47 | neoice | 'held back' |
| 21:37.51 | JordiGH | solid_liq: No. ports are given a low pin priority. You have to explicitly request to install a backport. |
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| 21:37.58 | stew | neoice: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:38.54 | JordiGH | solid_liq: A backport may drag in libraries and so on, but it should drag them from etch for the most part (unless the libraries are part of the package you're trying to install). |
| 21:39.47 | solid_liq | JordiGH, neoice: cool, thanks :) now... do you know of a good place for me to see a list of available backport repos? |
| 21:39.57 | stew | solid_liq: if you add the backports repository, it will be at alower priority than the etch repository, so apt won't pull packages from backports unless you tell it to explicitly |
| 21:40.14 | JordiGH | solid_liq: backports.org is the only official backport for Debian. |
| 21:40.47 | JordiGH | solid_liq: You're in luck: git has been backported. |
| 21:41.00 | solid_liq | okay awesome, thanks :) I'll go find the one I need there :) |
| 21:41.24 | solid_liq | sweet :) |
| 21:41.52 | solid_liq | everyone is using 1.5.1+ now, but etch has 1.4.4, so I really need the newer version :) |
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| 21:43.13 | stew | backports.org isn't official either, but it is as close as you are going to get |
| 21:43.23 | solid_liq | k |
| 21:43.31 | stew | well volatile is official backports, but it is limited |
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| 21:43.47 | stew | valatile certainly wouldn't have somehting like git |
| 21:44.21 | binarymutant | solid_liq, you could also git git :) |
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| 21:45.46 | solid_liq | binarymutant: lol, no I want it to be in apt ;) |
| 21:45.51 | solid_liq | now to add the repo to approx... |
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| 21:46.52 | ArthurArchnix | heya, was in here a few hours ago talking about installin debian from usb. asdf was the name. Well, it's installed. Now I want to make the console pretty. Any good howtos for Lenny? The only good how to I found was for Arch. |
| 21:48.04 | ArthurArchnix | Apart from the basic system I only installed "laptop" from teh installer. I want to make this a lean mean machine. I've also disabled "install recommends" from aptitude and just installed gnome-core after that. |
| 21:49.14 | ArthurArchnix | But the basic interface is ugly, I'd like to improve things about the fonts in the console/ |
| 21:49.14 | Welshman | realy |
| 21:49.15 | ArthurArchnix | yuppers |
| 21:49.32 | Welshman | what distros you used before? |
| 21:49.35 | binarymutant | ArthurArchnix, use xlsfonts to see available fonts |
| 21:49.54 | ArthurArchnix | First thing I'll do is change the boot options to vga=791... that oughta help a bit. |
| 21:50.12 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks binarymutant... I'll try that |
| 21:50.28 | jamon | ArthurArchnix: once you have nice fonts, you'll want to switch to zsh :p |
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| 21:50.43 | ArthurArchnix | Welshman: I used debian for about 6 months, but it was a basic install. Didn't really try anything "fancy". |
| 21:50.51 | ArthurArchnix | Ubunt for about 2 years before that. |
| 21:50.53 | stew | ArthurArchnix: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 21:51.40 | ArthurArchnix | ah, thanks stew, that's a much smarter way to do it than what I was thinking. |
| 21:52.16 | ArthurArchnix | jamon: I'm not sure what that means. It looks like english. But it doesn't sound like english. |
| 21:52.54 | binarymutant | its a shell, instead of bash |
| 21:54.02 | stew | ArthurArchnix: you'll probably want colors as well, edit your .bashrc and uncomment the lines for 'alias ls="ls --color=auto"' and 'alias grep="grep --color=auto"' |
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| 21:55.58 | solid_liq | cool, worked like a charm, thanks! :D |
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| 21:56.14 | guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to build functions for debian/rules ? |
| 21:56.20 | binarymutant | ArthurArchnix, if you really want to change the look and feel of your console install fish :) |
| 21:57.09 | xsdg | guysoft42: huh? |
| 21:57.12 | xsdg | guysoft42: it's just a makefile |
| 21:58.49 | guysoft42 | xsdg, um, so how would i inset a function in to a makefile? i need to do a process there over and over again |
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| 21:59.07 | guysoft42 | well. a subrutine.. |
| 22:00.12 | stew | guysoft42: make it a phony target |
| 22:00.43 | guysoft42 | stew, you mean like a script to another file? |
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| 22:02.30 | guysoft42 | i am sorry, i am just kinda new to makefiles on that level |
| 22:02.54 | binarymutant | have you read the new maintainers guide ? |
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| 22:03.48 | ArthurArchnix | hmm.... installing gnome-core was a bit of a failure. It installed eog and removing it removed everything else. |
| 22:03.56 | pikudo | ArthurArchnix: why dont you try just X + small wm as icewm fluxbox or alternatives? |
| 22:04.37 | ArthurArchnix | pikudo: I like the powermanagemnt, login and screensaver features of a DE |
| 22:04.58 | binarymutant | ArthurArchnix, xdm for login, xscreensaver for screensaver |
| 22:05.01 | stew | guysoft42: look at some other debian/rules files, they will already have targets defined such as build build-arch build-indep. you'll see that some depend on other targets running like config |
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| 22:05.13 | binarymutant | ArthurArchnix, apm for advance power management |
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| 22:05.56 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... ok. I won't bug you guys with my learning process. Thanks for the tips about hwinfo, My console looks much better. |
| 22:06.31 | illissius | I'm trying to install the newest (oct17) testing cd on an asus x50n laptop (same motherboard as f5n, uses nvidia 610m/7000m), and having a hell of a time |
| 22:06.41 | illissius | are there any known issues with this hardware? |
| 22:06.47 | illissius | (or where can I check?) |
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| 22:06.54 | guysoft42 | stew, i see, thanks :) |
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| 22:07.50 | illissius | during install it had this really odd issue where it kept hanging and wouldn't progress unless I pressed a key (even during the kernel boot) |
| 22:07.53 | fXsTar | Hy all!I just installed pptpd on my box ..and when im trying to connect from wind box ...all clients get the same ip,,what to do? |
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| 22:11.15 | chomwitt | has anyone played around with the goodbye-microsoft.com's installer ? it still doesnt work with me. |
| 22:11.19 | bbelt16ag | ok I am poed at stable debian |
| 22:11.25 | bbelt16ag | my wake on lan is not working |
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| 22:11.47 | illissius | anyway, I got it installed, but now during boot it does the same thing, but usually just hangs completely, and after a long time says "clocksource tsc unstable (delta = <huge number> ns)" |
| 22:12.33 | jelly-home | illissius: which kernel? |
| 22:12.46 | illissius | and also seems to have a weird problem where at the initrd prompt it sees the disk as /dev/sda (so I have to use that as the grub line), but otherwise needs /dev/sdb (which is in fstab) |
| 22:12.56 | illissius | hm |
| 22:12.58 | Olof | have anyone tried to install this package on lenny (stable)? http://packages.debian.org/sid/teamspeak-server |
| 22:13.24 | Olof | i tried but it said that my libc6 version was too low, is there any solution to this? |
| 22:13.35 | illissius | 2.6.26-1-486 |
| 22:14.23 | jelly-home | illissius: oh, so the default installation kernel. does booting with acpi=off make it work differently? |
| 22:14.29 | DIFH-iceroot | Olof: there is a binary for the ts-server, which works fine |
| 22:14.54 | Olof | DIFH-iceroot: do you mean the one from the official site? |
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| 22:15.05 | Olof | if so, yeah it works great, running it right now |
| 22:15.14 | Olof | but it would be nice to have the init.d script |
| 22:15.50 | Olof | think i found it for lenny as well |
| 22:16.40 | DIFH-iceroot | Olof: sorry dont know anything about the .deb file have not found the server in stable (etch) so i am using the binary |
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| 22:17.02 | Olof | DIFH-iceroot: http://packages.debian.org/en/lenny/i386/teamspeak-server/download |
| 22:17.02 | illissius | jelly-home: haven't tried that one... i've tried things like clocksource=hpet, noapic, nolapic, pci=routeirq, noacpi, and break=top and doing 'modprobe sata_nv' and 'modprobe ata_generic' at the initrd prompt |
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| 22:17.16 | Olof | going to try that one |
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| 22:17.36 | Olof | or wait, its the wrong one... |
| 22:17.46 | illissius | farthest I've ever gotten was (with a combination of -all- of these) it got me to the root prompt because it mounted /, but didn't manage to mount the rest (because of the sda/sdb mismatch) |
| 22:18.03 | illissius | but tbh, I only have a vague understanding of what any of these options actually -do- |
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| 22:19.35 | illissius | wth, I got it booted this time (to kdm) |
| 22:19.57 | smacnay | should "discover" be running on boot for most modern machines? Is this the standard boot loading of hardware? |
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| 22:21.01 | illissius | still had the 'nothing happens until I press a key (hold it down)' thing... this time I tried 'modprobe ide_generic' |
| 22:21.35 | adb | illissius: multiboot ? |
| 22:22.22 | illissius | ? |
| 22:22.33 | adb | illissius: multi OS ? |
| 22:22.36 | guysoft42 | stew, strange, it won't work now.. i get make: checkroot: Command not found .. and here is the file: http://pastebin.com/m370edba1 |
| 22:23.17 | illissius | adb: windows is also installed, but I don't see how that's relevant |
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| 22:24.55 | adb | Illarane: what processor it is ? it is a laptop ? |
| 22:25.40 | adb | Illarane: sorry , was for illissius |
| 22:25.59 | illissius | [00:06:31] <illissius> I'm trying to install the newest (oct17) testing cd on an asus x50n laptop (same motherboard as f5n, uses nvidia 610m/7000m), and having a hell of a time [00:06:40] <illissius> are there any known issues with this hardware? |
| 22:27.23 | illissius | I mean it sort of feels like if it were a new/unsupported chipset which is why the kernel hates it, but afaik it's not a new chipset, and nvidia chips tend to be pretty well supported.. |
| 22:27.24 | adb | why not try kernel -686 |
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| 22:27.54 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys i compiled php5 from source but for some reason after i copy my php.ini file to the root of the php install it is not recognized by php can someone help? |
| 22:27.57 | illissius | this is what was on the cd :) (but doubt that would matter either... isn't the difference just speed?) |
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| 22:28.37 | adb | install -686 than |
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| 22:30.02 | adb | i'm not sure of processor type |
| 22:30.03 | Muffin | Hi...I just got a slightly worrysome "You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image" message, on a machine I have recently installed Debian on from an etch CD. |
| 22:30.14 | illissius | processor is a64 tk55 |
| 22:30.28 | adb | and64 ? |
| 22:30.37 | adb | amd64 ?* |
| 22:30.44 | Muffin | So, I didn't ask to install that image, which means that, I think, it is an upgrade of a prior image, and thus the prior image is initrd and thus the new one should be also. Is this fallacious? |
| 22:31.00 | illissius | ..yes |
| 22:31.08 | illissius | but I'm using the i386 cd |
| 22:31.08 | adb | sure ? |
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| 22:32.09 | adb | illissius: uname -r |
| 22:33.03 | illissius | [00:13:35] <illissius> 2.6.26-1-486 |
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| 22:34.35 | jhutchins_wk | ponyofdeath: Isn't php.ini usually in /etc? |
| 22:34.56 | jelly-home | illissius: the clocksource thing is likely not relevant |
| 22:36.50 | hareth | http://www.deezer.com/#music/result/all/trio%20schubert |
| 22:37.07 | illissius | hm.. and I think it's only seeing one of the cpu cores |
| 22:37.20 | illissius | (if there's more than one, there should be more than one entry in /proc/cpuinfo, right?) |
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| 22:42.44 | abxt | Hello |
| 22:42.58 | binarymutant | hiya abxt! |
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| 22:50.05 | edugonch | hello how can I do to make "apt-get install -d" to download to an specific directory? thanks |
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| 22:55.51 | dustybin | wow this is the first time ive ever had proper permissions working over NFS :) |
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| 22:56.09 | dustybin | any client writes with the same user and group id |
| 22:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey fruitcake! |
| 22:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | edugonch, it does, the specific directory is /var/cache/apt/archives/ :) |
| 22:58.11 | edugonch | well thanks -_- ....... but can I download to an other directory? |
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| 22:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | just reads man dpkg |
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| 22:58.42 | edugonch | thanks, I'll do it |
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| 22:59.07 | petemc | i dont think you can do what you want |
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| 22:59.41 | petemc | perhaps with aptitude you can |
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| 23:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, looks hardcoded to me - you can do -c conffile - but "man apt.conf" doesn't show any options related to this... there's probably some perl-stanza zou can use... |
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| 23:01.25 | petemc | i think with aptitude you can download it to pwd |
| 23:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man aptitude" ---> download <CR> Downloads the file for the given package to the current directory. |
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| 23:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | edugonch, ^^ |
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| 23:02.35 | edugonch | Cool ;) |
| 23:03.01 | binarymutant | are massive quits and joins normal on this channel? |
| 23:03.28 | petemc | binarymutant: sometimes, its not channel specific, affects all of freenode |
| 23:03.58 | binarymutant | petemc, do you know what it is? |
| 23:04.08 | petemc | netsplits |
| 23:04.13 | binarymutant | O okay |
| 23:04.21 | binarymutant | thanks petemc |
| 23:04.25 | petemc | np |
| 23:04.38 | petemc | theres also a fair volume of 'normal' joins and parts |
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| 23:05.13 | ham5 | I choose to hide joins and parts it makes channel conversation easier to follow |
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| 23:06.36 | binarymutant | I'm not sure how to do that with xchat |
| 23:07.00 | ham5 | right click on the channel button goto settings |
| 23:07.22 | binarymutant | very nice thanks ham5 |
| 23:07.50 | ham5 | np |
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| 23:14.15 | smacnay | It seems that I have "lisa" installed on my system and I would like to know the apt-get command to determine which package relies on it. |
| 23:14.43 | petemc | aptitude why lisa |
| 23:15.53 | smacnay | petemc: wow - that actually makes sense and never would have thought in a thousand years |
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| 23:17.14 | petemc | obviousness is a strange concept |
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| 23:19.24 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 23:19.53 | Doug52392 | For some reason, I can't access file shares on my Debian server on a Windows PC. I always get asked for a username/password, but no usernames work. |
| 23:20.02 | Doug52392 | On Samba |
| 23:20.11 | petemc | Doug52392: use smbpasswd -a |
| 23:21.53 | Doug52392 | Still can't get in. |
| 23:22.03 | petemc | did you add a user? |
| 23:22.53 | Doug52392 | Yes |
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| 23:24.11 | petemc | Doug52392: you tried to connect as the user you ran that command as? |
| 23:24.28 | kurtisnelson | I dist-up'ed to lenny and now gnome has lost all the screen resolutions in the preference panel. What xserver config do I need to run? |
| 23:24.34 | Doug52392 | Yes |
| 23:24.44 | Doug52392 | I even tried temporarally disabling the password for the user |
| 23:24.53 | Doug52392 | When I did, Windows Explorer crashed |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | kurtisnelson: aptitude install gnome |
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| 23:25.08 | kurtisnelson | or dpkg-reconfigure gnome ? |
| 23:25.31 | Doug52392 | I get these errors in the error log: http://pastebin.com/m3d4e3b00 |
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| 23:26.24 | abrotman | kurtisnelson: dpkg-reconfigure gnome won't do anything |
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| 23:27.21 | kurtisnelson | abrotman: the whole lenny up wrecked my xserver, had to reinstall driver packages and such |
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| 23:28.10 | abrotman | kurtisnelson: nvidia or fglrx ? |
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| 23:28.46 | kurtisnelson | abrotman: neither. dell integrated |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | dell doesn't make video cards |
| 23:29.06 | Doug52392 | I'm also getting a lot of memory errors in Samba's error logs, like: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08370270 *** |
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| 23:29.13 | kurtisnelson | windows xchat keeps crashing... |
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| 23:29.47 | kurt_ssh | on irssi now |
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| 23:29.56 | jamon | irssi++ |
| 23:30.03 | abrotman | kurt_ssh: lspci | grep VGA .. what's your video card? |
| 23:30.23 | kurt_ssh | hmm... it is nvidia |
| 23:30.29 | petemc | if dell did make video cards, theyd probably be... |
| 23:30.32 | kurt_ssh | was not the nvidia driver I needed though |
| 23:30.39 | kurt_ssh | something that started with a |
| 23:30.40 | abrotman | petemc: i'll bite my tongue :) |
| 23:30.42 | petemc | :) |
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| 23:30.48 | binarymutant | great? |
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| 23:30.59 | petemc | cheap |
| 23:31.12 | petemc | functional, after jumping through some hoops |
| 23:31.24 | bancus | Can anyone tell me how to see which package satisfying a virtual requirement aptitude picked? |
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| 23:31.28 | bancus | (After the fact.) |
| 23:32.03 | petemc | whats a virtual requirement? |
| 23:32.08 | kurt_ssh | restarting... lets see if xserver is happier now |
| 23:32.10 | bancus | like java2-runtime |
| 23:32.17 | bancus | A depends on a virtual package. |
| 23:32.41 | binarymutant | dell would prbly not give us binary blobs though :) |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 23:33.07 | kurt_ssh | debian boots so much faster than ubuntu on this machine |
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| 23:33.26 | jamon | bancus: apt-cache show depends pkg should help |
| 23:33.41 | kurt_ssh | still no resolutions listed in screen resolution preferences |
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| 23:34.03 | abrotman | kurt_ssh: aptitude install gnome .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 23:34.09 | kurt_ssh | nope |
| 23:34.13 | kurt_ssh | gdm and gnome run fine |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | you're running gnome-display-properties |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:34.59 | kurt_ssh | i think so? the built in one in the system menu |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | which video driver is the system using? if you're not using the right one, it might only have one |
| 23:37.34 | kurt_ssh | whats the quick way to do that? |
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| 23:39.19 | kurt_ssh | VGA compatible controller: nVidia corp quadro fx go700 rev a1 |
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| 23:47.18 | kurt_ssh | hmmpf. my task bar is also off the end of the screen where I cant see it |
| 23:47.25 | smacnay | Wow, my computer is dating itself pretty badly now - I plugged in a USB webcam and the Cheese application chewed up between 40-90% cpu just processing the signal. I guess the old Athlon 2800+ is not the power horse it once was. |
| 23:47.50 | Sebboh | I've got a USB keyboard with some extra keys, and I'd like to figure out how to use them. It's a logitech G15, actually. There's software made for it, but, it's buggy. Can I just figure out the scancodes and modify my xwindows configuration or something? Where should I start? |
| 23:48.01 | ArthurArchnix | hey yall, I'm having trouble finding a good guide to mounting an ntfs partition read/write under debian. I've got ntfsprogs installed. |
| 23:48.08 | koollman | Sebboh: start by running xev |
| 23:48.28 | jamon | ArthurArchnix: try ntfs-3g |
| 23:48.35 | koollman | which should help you finding out which x11 key symbol are generated |
| 23:48.49 | Sebboh | koollman: done. The events reported for the 'g13' key exactly match the events reports for the '1' key. (Huh?) |
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| 23:48.53 | ArthurArchnix | Currently my stab looks like this: dev/sda3 / /data ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 23:49.03 | petemc | smacnay: often times, the processor isnt the problem, what is cheese? |
| 23:49.53 | smacnay | petemc: it is a gnome app that can use your webcam to shoot video or take a picture. |
| 23:49.55 | Sebboh | koollman: the events for the 'g1' key exactly match the events for the 'f1' key, also. It's like each extra key is mapped to an ordinary key, or... or maybe I just don't understand how this stuff works. :) |
| 23:50.18 | koollman | Sebboh: http://mandrivausers.org/old_docs/xwin/xkeys.html |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | kurt_ssh: /msg dpkg nvidia .. you're probably using the vesa driver .. check the Xorg.0.log to see for sure |
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| 23:50.39 | Sebboh | koollman: taking a look, thanks. |
| 23:50.41 | koollman | Sebboh: (a bit old, must be some better doc around) |
| 23:50.48 | kurt_ssh | abrotman: yes, it is vesa. is that what I should be using |
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| 23:51.42 | abrotman | you probably want nvidia .. /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArthurArchnix, listen to the man... and possibly /msg dpkg ntfs-3g - the driver you're using right now will only give you read only |
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| 23:55.04 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah, I've got ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g installed |
| 23:55.14 | ArthurArchnix | but that lline in fstab doesn't work |
| 23:55.34 | stew | ArthurArchnix: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 23:56.09 | ham5 | yea your lines all jacked up ArthurArchnix |
| 23:57.55 | jamon | ArthurArchnix: google fstab ntfs-3g all you need is in the first few results |
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| 23:58.19 | ham5 | considering you actually do have a data folder in root, id make data in mnt or media but, /dev/sda3 /data ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 23:58.49 | ArthurArchnix | ok, in my fstab I have this line: /dev/sda3 /data ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 23:58.49 | ArthurArchnix | and what happens is that root finds it mounted ok and can access, and my user can see the folder but not open it. So I think I've got he right programs installed but the wrong fstab line |
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| 23:59.13 | ArthurArchnix | sorry for the delay, I've been rebooting while your helpful comments come pouring in. |
| 23:59.56 | ArthurArchnix | I want this one user to be able to acces it, but I'm not sure if that's possible with ntfs |
