IRC log for #debian on 20081025

00:00.11ArthurArchnixCan I simply chown it?
00:00.12ham5set umask or gid and have that user in the group
00:00.21stewArthurArchnix: you need the user to have read access or also write access?
00:00.31ArthurArchnixOk, so create a group called "access" and then set that user as access.
00:00.32stewArthurArchnix: no, chmod/chown doesn't work
00:00.42ArthurArchnixstew read and write
00:00.56stewArthurArchnix: if you need to write to it, use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs
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00:01.56stewArthurArchnix: and you'll want to add uid=1234 to the options column where 1234 is the uid of the user that needs write access
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00:02.50ArthurArchnixYeah, stew, I just came across this http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtontfs.html which seems to say the same
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00:03.35euzaomay I install Debian in a 486?
00:03.36ArthurArchnixwould this be ok tou think?
00:03.37ArthurArchnix/dev/sda2    /path_to/mount_point    ntfs-3g    defaults    0 0
00:04.59xittumArthurArchnix: you would still need the uid part
00:05.03abrotmaneuzao: if it has enough RAM, yes
00:05.04jamonArthurArchnix: google fstab ntfs-3g suid
00:05.08CutMeOwnThroateuzao, sure, if there's enough RAM/harddisk
00:05.20CutMeOwnThroatRAM probably being the more crucial factor, yes
00:05.37CutMeOwnThroat!486
00:05.38dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, 486 is an ancient type of CPU. Nevertheless, it's good enough to have a 486 box as a router with ipmasquerading (and probably a cdr) :P
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00:10.33curtmackAnybody have any experience getting Firefox 3 to work on Etch?
00:11.12ArthurArchnixhmm... ok, based on jamon's tip I added my user to the fuse group and rebooted
00:11.46neo_curtmack:  I  use Debian / experimetal and firefox 3 works :)
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00:11.58ArthurArchnixworks
00:12.00ArthurArchnixthanks guys
00:12.06ArthurArchnixand gals?
00:12.11jamonenjoy :)
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00:14.27curtmackneo_: I used to use testing, but over the past 5 months or so the system slowly stopped working correctly. Applications would segfault for no reason, various daemons failed to start (also for no reason), applications would randomly HUP, and the whole system would crash after about 3 hours. I installed Etch about a week ago.
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00:19.17CutMeOwnThroatArthurArchnix, there are no gals on the internet and the ones that are, are also men
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00:19.39curtmackwell, shoot. Hell, I think I'll just go back to lenny.
00:20.08CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, sounds like a gremlin :)
00:20.47hollywoodbwhat would cause a livecd to pass md5, but fail to boot after grub with Buffer I/O errors on the same sector of the CD ?
00:21.00CutMeOwnThroat!firefox 3 etch
00:21.00dpkgFirefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...), or http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html, or http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/
00:21.20CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, ^^
00:22.00CutMeOwnThroathollywoodb, a faulty cdrom on the computer you're trying to boot from (?)
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00:27.39curtmackwell fuck... okay, I don't even get what the hell aptitude is saying
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00:28.01CutMeOwnThroataptitude?
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00:32.49curtmackapparently I'm not allowed to update to lenny or something?
00:33.55jamoncurtmack: pastebin your sources.list and output of aptitude dist-upgrade -s
00:34.25abrotmanor ask him what he's talking about?
00:35.04curtmackaptitude's giving me a bunch of dependency errors with weird resolution suggestions
00:35.12curtmacki.e. 2 removals, 167 keeps
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00:35.27curtmackaha, found the problem
00:35.42curtmackat some point I had removed main from one of the sources
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00:41.35curtmackhttp://pastebin.com/d63ee9c2d
00:42.21bbtohello. I got debian 4 trough netinst CD however I dont have the drive any more. need to install Java but after the command aptitude ... the system is asking for the CD (netinst) . any help?
00:42.32curtmackand I can't pastebin sources.list, it trips the spam filter
00:42.35beardy!sources.list
00:42.35dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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00:42.51abrotmancurtmack: try paste.debian.net
00:43.19curtmackhttp://paste.debian.net/19945/
00:44.14beardycurtmack: First, you want security updates for contrib and non-free too.
00:44.53curtmackokay, fixed that
00:45.21beardycurtmack: Then, you probably haven't run an 'aptitude update', so do that to update your list of packages.
00:45.39beardycurtmack: It still looks for things on your cd.
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00:46.12curtmackbeardy: Actually I have done that.
00:46.16curtmackMultiple times.
00:46.25d-b!non-free
00:46.25dpkgi guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
00:46.32d-bthere are no security updates for non-free
00:47.46beardycurtmack: What is the location of your pasted sources.list? And, is it the full one?
00:48.05abrotmand-b: there are updates for non-free
00:48.09abrotmansecurity updates
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00:48.23abrotmand-b: http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/non-free/binary-i386/
00:48.53d-bi thought non-free was not handled
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00:49.04bbto hello. I got debian 4 trough netinst CD however I dont have the drive any more. need to install Java but after the command aptitude ... the system is asking for the CD (netinst) . any help?
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00:49.14beardyWtf.
00:49.25abrotman!tell bbto about sources.list
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00:49.43beardyOh.. they are two.
00:49.55d-babrotman: so non-free security is handled by the debian security team ?
00:50.00abrotmanapparently
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00:50.34beardycurtmack: I answered you, thinking of bbto. What is your problem?
00:50.47d-babrotman: no.
00:50.52d-bhttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html
00:50.56d-b12.3.11
00:51.29d-bthey do. but the packages are not supported.
00:51.35curtmackbeardy: in that order: the one I pasted was from /etc/apt/sources.list. It is complete, minus a commented out line at the top. And the probelm is here: http://pastebin.com/d63ee9c2d
00:51.45curtmackthat's the output of aptitude dist-upgrade -s
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00:51.47abrotmand-b: well .. apparently it's "if they feel like it"
00:51.59abrotmand-b: the maintainer i mean
00:52.04abrotmanbut there is "support"
00:52.06jamonwhich is a heck of a lot better than not at all
00:54.19enouf"use me at your own risk"
00:54.57beardycurtmack: What does -s do?
00:55.09enoufsimulate
00:55.29enoufjust like apt-get -s
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00:56.07beardyMy terminal is fscked up aswell.. got escapes in 'man'.. Ok.
00:56.25bbto
00:56.33enouf!fix beardy 's terminal
00:56.33dpkgtakes beardy 's terminal to the vet for a "special" visit.
00:57.15grim76I am getting an error of command not found when running the following command.  m-a prepare - What package am I missing to be able to run this particular command.  Thanks in advance.
00:57.37jamongrim76: module-assistant
00:57.38enoufmodule-assistant
00:57.51enoufinstall build-essential as well
00:57.56grim76Thanks jamon and enouf.  Much appreciated.
00:58.14beardyenouf: putty->freebsd->screen->linux->screen..
00:58.18enoufor, you're not root
00:58.44enoufbeardy: you didn't tell me you were a magician :-P
00:58.55grim76enouf: I am in as root sitting at #
00:58.56jamonbeardy: why in the name of..
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00:59.03bbtoi got the sources.list ok. ater the comand ..install java... it finds the packcage and ask if i want to insatll it. isaid Y and then it asks for the CD. what can ido?
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00:59.15beardyenouf: Well, I used to be, because it worked nicely before. I just have to poke TERM at one of them..
00:59.25enoufbbto: comment out the cdrom line
00:59.38enoufbbto: in sources.list - this isn't windows
00:59.43jamonbbto: (and then run apt-get update first)
01:00.04bbtoyes, yes iddnt see it
01:00.09enoufbeardy: i understand poking, trust me :-0
01:00.10CutMeOwnThroathehe
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01:00.21CutMeOwnThroatbeardy, some stations of that chain on the moon?
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01:01.05beardyCutMeOwnThroat: Not that I know of. Just within my country even.
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01:01.23CutMeOwnThroat:)
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01:01.35hendrik123is this safe? www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/apache2ctl graceful
01:02.05beardyThe word safe and NOPASSWD on one line can never be safe.
01:02.06enoufi don't like it
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01:02.35beardySafe is so very relative, too.
01:02.39beardyHow safe do you want it?
01:02.43bbtoenouf: thanks again !!
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01:02.58jamonhendrik123: if nothing else, a malicious script could cause a dos by continued restarts
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01:03.32grim76jamon and enouf that worked great.  Now I have full resolution with the laptop.
01:03.34enoufbbto: np - familiarize yourself with update-alternatives and update-java-alternatives
01:03.36beardyhendrik123: If it means it is lower than your definition of safe, it is not safe.
01:03.52jamongrim76: figured it was nvidia or fglrx ;)
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01:04.03grim76jamon: fglrx
01:04.13hendrik123its for a cms, i need apache to graceful restart when i edit vhosts
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01:05.40hendrik123maybe its safer to write a cronjob that does a check every 10 minutes :)
01:05.48enoufcreate a special user to run certain commands
01:05.56dudemanwhat?
01:06.01dudemanwhy
01:06.15enoufpokes dudeman with his cane
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01:06.19dudemanwhat video card do you have?
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01:06.29dudemanthere is unot u
01:06.33dudemanwhat
01:06.41dudemanjamon, grim76 which one you?
01:06.47beardyhendrik123: Well, first, you didn't say where that goes, but I guess it's to do with sudo. You need to realise what it means. If someone ever, becomes www-data without you wanting it, they can do that.
01:06.58grim76dudeman: x1400 in the laptop
01:07.06dudemanyou don't need fglrx
01:07.16dudemanradeon will make it run smoothly
01:07.16jamonor www-data can do that, e.g. anyone capable of executing php on your site
01:07.36jamondudeman: x3100 intel
01:07.45grim76dudeman: I have always had better luck with my setup and my vid card.
01:07.46dudemanyou are fine jamon intel is good
01:07.55jamonyeah i know :)
01:08.00dudemangrim76, well I'm just saying nobody really NEEDS nonfree shit
01:08.10CutMeOwnThroathendrik123, back in my apache times, you could kill -HUP apache to let it re-read it's config without a restart
01:08.12enoufsits ... and falls asleep
01:08.20grim76dudeman: Understood man...Just using what works for me.
01:08.33dudemanheh
01:08.35dudeman!works for me
01:08.38dudemanc'mon
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01:08.50dudemanstupid bot
01:09.04dudemandpkg is stupid
01:09.04dpkgkicks dudeman's balls
01:09.17dudemandamn
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01:09.51dudemanfirefox tells me that there is an update for my secuiryt and well being i should instal lthe latest ifrefox
01:10.02dudemanbut i don't have a firefox
01:10.05beardyActually.. it seems to only be aptitude's manpage on etch..
01:10.14abrotmanbeardy: known issue
01:10.15beardyenouf: I get "\fBremove\fR, \fBpurge\fR," and so on.
01:10.24beardyWell, not known to me.
01:10.26beardyFine.
01:10.40dudemanhmm lenny iceweasel is older
01:10.52CutMeOwnThroathaha
01:11.09dudeman!info iceweasel sid
01:11.31dudemanI need a 3.0.3 I think is the latest
01:11.31dpkgiceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1096 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB
01:11.36dudemansweet
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01:15.37dudemanGet:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main iceweasel 3.0.3-3 (tar) [43.5MB]
01:15.55dudemanholy fucking glass bongs
01:16.04dudeman40+mb man thats fucking out there man
01:16.53dudemanFetched 43.6MB in 38s (1137kB/s)
01:17.08dudemannot bad I'd say.  I max out my downlink pipe almost always on debian mirrors
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01:21.05beardyNot much to brag about where I'm from.
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01:21.59petemcoh?
01:22.33hendrik123i daily want to check my .tar.gz backup , what is the best way? is there some known program for it
01:22.44beardyhendrik123: cron
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01:23.18beardypetemc: 100/100 is not uncommon here at all, in cities that is.
01:23.34petemcwheres here?
01:23.38beardySweden.
01:23.47petemcnice one
01:24.07beardy(Well, that's "at best" 100. Sold as that of course.)
01:24.41petemc20meg is the fastest residential connection in northern ireland
01:24.50petemc1meg up
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01:25.59beardyOn DSL, it's 24/0,5 the best.. maybe 1 up at some places/providers..
01:26.02dudemanman
01:26.05dudemanusa sucks overall
01:26.14jamontry mlppp adsl, shoudl work most places
01:26.19dudemanwe have still people advertising for dialup services
01:26.35petemcjamon: ?
01:26.45jamongoogle ;)
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01:28.49jamonneat huh petemc?
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01:29.25petemcis this different from paying for 2 connections and load balancing them?
01:29.35beardySome percentage of unfortunate places can't get DSL.. my parents, which was where I lived until 2004 was one of them.. but for the country in whole, it's not bad.
01:29.47beardyNow they have though.
01:30.07beardyI've spent a LOT of money on modem bills..
01:30.10jamonpetemc: bonded versus load balanced, yeah
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01:30.33petemcjamon: ive never heard of any isp here offering that
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01:31.36beardyNow it's probably 1/3 per month, with 10/10 instead of dialup.
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01:32.36beardyThe bandwidth isn't the most annoying thing, it's the cost per time.
01:32.38jamonnot sure if they server, but sites mention northern ireland in conjunction with this isp, http://www.ccsleeds.co.uk/mlppp.html
01:32.50jamoner, serve you petemc
01:33.09beardyWere no flatrates.
01:34.15beardyUsed to have 40/40 measured before, but over uni, so it was a bad filtered one.
01:35.19beardy</rant>
01:35.27CompWizrd</pants>
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01:45.58FFEMTcJim running etch server.. i want to install nginx, however the package in the repos and backports are both very out of date.. lenny has the current version in its repo.. is it possible for me to add lenny's repo and apt-get it without problems?
01:46.10CutMeOwnThroataha... cute, apt-spy gave me an empty sources.list
01:46.37h3xisFFEMTcJ, give it a try
01:46.38CutMeOwnThroatFFEMTcJ, possible yes, without problems: unlikely...
01:46.53CutMeOwnThroatthe general opinion here seems to be reflected by ...
01:46.55CutMeOwnThroat!bobbitt
01:46.55dpkgRemember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]?  Remember what she did to her husband's woody?  Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
01:47.38jamonFFEMTcJ: plus the uninstall is a bit problematic still, best to build it from source
01:47.43CutMeOwnThroatI think it's a stupid factoid, though
01:48.10NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: how do you know what factoids are available?
01:48.51CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, in this case I just knew about it from the many fruitless discussions I had on the subject :)
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01:49.37geekCutMeOwnThroat: thats hillarious
01:49.37NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: LOL ok
01:49.37geekFFEMTcJ: if its not in the repos, the best bet is to compile it yourself
01:49.37CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, but you can do /msg dpkg listkeys someterm and/or /msg dpkg listvalues someterm to find some
01:49.44NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: ok great thx
01:50.03CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, try /msg dpkg help for all the other nifty features of the bot
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01:50.36FFEMTcJthanks gus
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01:51.27CutMeOwnThroatgeek, it is?
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01:52.32geekCutMeOwnThroat: well, what other options do you have ;p
01:52.55jamonapache, lighttpd, the list goes on :p
01:52.56NinjaManFFEMTcJ: if you are going to mix branches then you need to have a clear strategy and configure things like your Default Release and package priorities in apt to suit
01:52.58geekit is a LOT better than trying to mix and match packages between versions or distros
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01:53.26CutMeOwnThroatanyways, I consider the factoid stupid, because a) it doesn't give any reasons and b) you can mix rather well if you know what you're doing ... and match the amount of mixing to your own ... ability to endure pain (i.e broken package dependencies)
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01:53.50NinjaManI agree with CutMeOwnThroat
01:54.05CutMeOwnThroate.g. there is no danger mixing in a package that doesn't pull any dependencies...
01:54.24CutMeOwnThroatall that can happen is that this single package doesn't work, so you end up where you were before...
01:54.29NinjaManright now I have testing mixed with unstable, experimental and a host of supplementary repositories
01:54.59CutMeOwnThroatbut I see why this is not the opinion here - essentially because you cannot assume common sense with all people coming here ;) (or the understanding about packages that can generate common sense)
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01:56.26jamondoes dpkg have any factoid about apt pinning?
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01:56.32beardyYes.
01:56.41jamonah
01:57.29flourishhello, i remembered there is a command to change your keyboard layout, dpkg-reconfigure, but i forget the config name, can some one help me
01:57.32beardyThe lowest common denominator(?) has to be used here. Don't do stupid things. If you know why, how, and why it can be bad, you can do it, but know what you do.
01:57.49beardyBut then you don't have to ask.
01:58.24beardy!charset
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01:58.56flourishoh, it's console-data^_^
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01:59.20beardyAh.
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02:00.06beardy!keymap
02:00.06dpkgTo change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data".  To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
02:00.08beardyFWIW.
02:01.41CutMeOwnThroatbeardy, nice summary :)
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02:07.47Mac_Taylorhow often does debian update the kernel?
02:08.05erawfishMac_Taylor: when it's necessary
02:08.13Mac_Taylorto da new version
02:08.27erawfishas I told you
02:08.45Mac_Taylorwill it use 2.6.27
02:08.56erawfishnot for the forseeable future
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02:09.19Mac_Taylorwat kernel doez it use now?
02:09.29erawfishdebian stable? 2.4.24
02:09.40geekMac_Taylor: stable or testing/
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02:09.59geekerawfish: i'm quite sure stable is on a 2.6 kernel ....
02:10.04Mac_Taylorstable
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02:10.22erawfishoops. you're right. 2.6.24 it is
02:10.57geekMac_Taylor: you can get a newer kernel (the one testing uses) from etch-and-half though
02:11.14erawfishgeek: not true
02:11.37geekerawfish: that you can get a newer kernel, or that its the one from testing?
02:12.03erawfishboth
02:12.08erawfishetch uses 2.6.24
02:12.20geekerawfish: i said etch and half ;p
02:12.29erawfishetch and half IS etch. check the repo
02:12.34erawfishsecurity.debian.org ETCH
02:12.53Mac_Taylorhow would i getz da 2.6.27 lerme;?
02:13.03erawfishMac_Taylor: sid
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02:13.26erawfishbut sid is not for you
02:13.30geekerawfish: ok, my bad...
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02:14.02User203sup fellas
02:14.15User203i need your mirc channel name
02:14.21User203so i can join
02:14.34beardyYou're not good at it.
02:14.45User203nah i am surfing
02:14.56User203looking for some source pugs
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02:16.07acidslephi guys :)
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02:24.31neoicewhats the package name of the ATI video driver? fglxr?
02:24.46dudemanneoice, which card do yo have?
02:24.53neoiceX3100 I believe
02:25.01dudemanu can use radeon
02:25.08dudemanif you need 3d you need fglrx
02:25.11neoiceits the macbook(3,1) onboard
02:25.23neoiceyeah, I was gonna see if I could get 3d working this evening
02:25.24dudemanfglrx is not for mac is it?
02:25.31neoiceits intel
02:25.34dudemanoh
02:25.37dudemani know shit about comptuers
02:25.49neoiceyeah, apple switched all their hardware to intel :D
02:25.53dudemancool
02:25.56neoiceverily
02:25.57dudemanso you can use fglrx then
02:26.03dudemanif you are i386 or amd64 compatible
02:26.16dudemani thought you were running a debinppc
02:26.23neoicenah
02:26.33dudemanso what do you do?
02:26.38neoicex86 and sparc for me :D
02:26.43dudemanyou are a admin then?
02:26.50dudemanmr sparc guy
02:26.54neoiceI'm all sorts of things
02:27.00neoicecurrently working in network operations
02:27.07dudemanok great fantastic
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02:30.54Undead_KnightHello people. I have Debian etch and I installed mysql from the stable repos, but I need the latest MySQL 5.1. How should I go about installing this new MySQL version?
02:31.01Undead_KnightShould I totally remove mysql before installing? Or could I install the mysql version I need over the existing one?
02:31.04neoicebackports.org
02:31.20neoiceor is it in the etch repo?
02:32.03Tapoutbackports only has 5.09
02:32.05Tapout5.0
02:32.10Tapoutexperimental has 5.1
02:32.16Akuwhi
02:32.19Tapouti just source compiled months ago
02:32.33Akuwi have some problems with Samba
02:32.48neoiceakuw: like what? I recently did too :P
02:33.20Akuwi create a Network connection, but avery time i restart the windows box, it request for password to connect with the network resource
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02:34.16Tapouthold down winkey+e
02:34.26Tapoutinside address bar, \\123.123.123.123
02:34.37Tapoutit'll ask user info, and pass, but also allow you to 'save password'
02:34.41Tapoutthen it'll work between reboots
02:34.44Tapoutthat's what i had to do
02:35.01Tapoutgoing to .. \\192.168.0.123\blah  wouldn't
02:35.29neoicedudeman: how can I tell if the system is _using_ the ATI driver?
02:35.45xlotludoes a mirrored lvm perform reads at "double" speed like raid 1?
02:35.54AkuwTapout: wait, wait
02:36.00Akuwexplain me better
02:36.30Akuwstep by step
02:36.54Tapouti did
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02:36.58Tapout1) winkey+e
02:37.04Tapout2) \\192.123.123.123
02:37.13Tapout3) put in info, check off 'save password' box
02:37.15Tapout4) reboot
02:37.22Tapout5) reread if you don't understand, goto 1
02:38.03ryxwow, dpkg always has the right answers
02:38.11kraehewonders if its possible to debootstrap on a non debian linux (e.g. a gentoo)
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02:39.17hotwheeleris anyone here?
02:39.43Gm4nnot at all, hotwheeler. That list of people you see? it's all a sham.
02:39.44jamonwhere is here exactly?
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02:41.39hotwheelersorry was having problems with my client
02:42.15jamoni have some problem clients too, but they pay well enough i don't mind :p
02:42.48hotwheelerat leas they pay
02:42.59neoicelol @ jamon
02:43.43jamonthink neverending kolab upgrades, i despise it but it pays the bills :)
02:44.26hotwheeleri am running debian and want to create a variable i tried  TEST=/home/andy/test ; export test however whe i logout and log back in and echo $TEST it doesn't show up any one have any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
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02:45.38beardyhotwheeler: Logging out.
02:45.39hotwheelerohh and export test is export TEST all caps
02:45.59hotwheelerhow do i make it perminant
02:46.07kraeheexport does only export to child shells/task
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02:46.27kraeheyou need to edit .bashrc or the like, to add your export line
02:46.28beardyhotwheeler: You add it to your ./~bashrc, and include .bashrc in .bash_profile
02:46.34jamonhotwheeler: your environment isn't persistent, use .bashrc or .profile (the latter if you don't use bash)
02:46.45beardy./.bashrc that is
02:46.51hotwheelerwhat would the syntax be in .bashrc
02:46.52hotwheeler?
02:46.56beardySigh..
02:47.01kraehesame as in shell, hotwheeler
02:47.04hotwheelersorry i can look that up
02:47.08hotwheelerthanks
02:47.13beardyhotwheeler: ~/.bashrc
02:47.23hotwheelerk thank you
02:47.42beardyhotwheeler: Yes, just "export TEST=something"
02:47.43kraeheand check, if there is a .profile, .bash_profile in your $HOME, hotwheeler
02:48.01kraeheif yes ... check that .bashrc is sourced
02:48.04hotwheelerbtw i'm a noob so if i'm asking stupid questions that answers can be found elseware just tell me
02:48.41NinjaManis there anyway to set-up a local bind9 DNS server to use the forward DNS servers in a round-robin fashion?
02:49.36beardy!noob
02:49.36dpkgDear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b".  We can tell.  Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either.  We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
02:49.40beardy;)
02:50.05jamonNinjaMan: not sure, but http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ will help
02:51.15NinjaManthanks jamon I will check it out
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02:54.39beardyhotwheeler: You might have some good use of the Debian Reference.
02:54.53beardyhotwheeler: /msg dpkg reference
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03:05.33NinjaManjamon: are you a dns expert?
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03:06.47kraeheknows a bit DNS NinjaMan ;)
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03:07.20jamonNinjaMan: nah, i go as far as selectors with domainkeys, more just on records than servers
03:07.35jamonthough i desperately want to learn pdns+postgresql instead of bind :)
03:08.04kraehewell ... i dont use domainkeys ... i even dont use MX anymore ;)
03:08.21NinjaManjamon: well that is more than I know - ha ha ha
03:08.25kraehebest way to get rid of SPAM ... dont install an MX ;)
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03:09.05jamonkraehe: smart spammers fall back to A records though
03:09.07NinjaMankraehe / jamon: I am trying to mix a local DNS config with that of a caching proxy config (i.e. for non-local requests)
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03:09.56kraehejamon, true ... when I closed the MX of copyleft.de, sobig spam did still deliver to old A of old MX ... so they cache DNS for some reason
03:10.00NinjaMankraehe / jamon: up until now I have had global forwarding configured and zone'.'  as type 'hint'
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03:11.03NinjaMankraehe: / jamon: I think I have had an epiphany moment - would I be correct in saying that my current configuration will always forward 1st and if there is no answer then check the locally configured zones?
03:12.00NinjaMankraehe / jamon: should I therefore put the forwarding config in zone '.' - so that it is only used for non-local zones and so it doesn't go recursive through the root servers
03:12.16kraeheso lets cross check it: you only changed named.conf.options?
03:12.41kraeheadded somethign like this: forwarders { 88.80.192.118; 88.80.192.119; };
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03:15.42NinjaMankraehe: yes I had that in my named.conf.options
03:16.08NinjaMankraehe: and I believe that is global forwarding - i.e. forward everything
03:16.30kraeherest stayed default debian ... so you have a caching dns ... doing nothing but cache ;)
03:16.40kraehe... and eating memory
03:17.15NinjaMankraehe: well except I added zones for my local domain
03:17.30NinjaMankraehe: in named.conf.local
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03:17.48kraehe*ah* good ... do you use a script to create zonefiles already?
03:17.57kraehemy script is at http://null-division.de/etc-bind/db.null-division.sh
03:18.17NinjaMankraehe: I think at the time, I hand crafted the zone files
03:18.47NinjaMankraehe: but it was ok because they are more or less empty and only populated by DHCP server
03:18.53kraehethis script is also nearly hadcrafted ... but it automagical increased SOA
03:19.18NinjaMankraehe: what is SOA?
03:19.30b-04What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
03:19.30b-04kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
03:19.32abrotmanread the bind ARM
03:19.34kraehe*ah* ok ... dhcp/dns is a different can of worm
03:19.36b-04what is ?
03:19.40abrotmanb-04: ask #vmware
03:19.54jamonabrotman: lol ;)
03:20.08jamonthat or use virtualbox b-04
03:20.24b-04/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6/ or /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6/include/ ?
03:20.32NinjaMankraehe: the dynamic dns registration upn dhcp lease serving, works well
03:21.15NinjaMankraehe: I'm more concerned about whether all dns queries are being forwarded 1st to my ISPs DNS servers, even if they are for my local domain
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03:21.37kraehethey are on those machines, who have your DNS in resolv.conf
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03:22.29NinjaMankraehe: so to fix that I have to move the forwarder configuration from global to zone '.' in my DNS, right?
03:22.40kraeheyou might create a signle point of failure, if you only have one DNS at home ... but who cares ... its at home
03:23.03NinjaMankraehe : i.e. only forward (and cache) if the query is not for one of locally configures zones ...
03:23.03kraeheyour DHCP will clients to use your DNS
03:23.51NinjaMankraehe: yes that's correct
03:24.19NinjaMankraehe, but I am usually working on the server that contains the DNS anyway :)
03:24.22kraeheoption domain-name-servers 193.101.47.33;
03:24.55NinjaMankraehe: alternatively, DHCP can serve a secondary external DNS server to provide some fail-safe
03:25.02kraeheyou might need to edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand, for those sites who dont recive DNS by DHCP
03:25.38kraehee.g. on you DHCP/DNS server ... where nameserver 127.0.0.1
03:25.41NinjaMankraehe: no problem all machines on my network are configured via DHCP
03:26.13kraehei boot most systems by dhcp/pxe
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03:26.30vbviruscan you send a fake dhcp-renew packet to hijack somebody's dns?
03:26.43NinjaMankraehe: I should point out that the only linux machine is the server with DHCP/DNS/APACHE/MYSQL etc.
03:26.53NinjaMankraehe: all other machines on my network are windows
03:27.56kraehethe only computer in my home not running linux are the embedded system in water boiler and the one in washing machine
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03:28.31jamonoh well that's no fun at all then kraehe, lol
03:28.37vbvirusi am using a toaster to connect to the irc
03:28.45acidslepsweet
03:28.48vbvirushahahaha
03:28.53acidslepcan it also make toast?
03:28.59jamonmaybe you can put an arduino into your laundry to make it blink all pretty like
03:29.00vbvirusof course
03:29.06NinjaMankraehe: lol unfortunately that is not an option for me: both in terms of my work and my partners graphic design requirements
03:29.08acidslepgood deal then :)
03:29.25vbvirusmy next step is to use a microwave oven
03:29.58CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, sucks to be you, eh? :)
03:30.40kraehedont eat what CutMeOwnThroat tries to sell to you NinjaMan ;)
03:30.52vbvirus?
03:31.05CutMeOwnThroatkraehe, shhhht... don't you know my business model depends on people who don't know about me?
03:31.11kraeheif you are lucky the meat is a rat
03:31.12NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: LOL yeah, everyday I sink to my knees, raise my hands to heaven and cry "why God why!!"
03:31.20kraehebut better dont ask, whats inside
03:31.27vbvirusit should be popular if there is a linux/bsd coffee machine
03:31.28CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, did HE ever answer?
03:31.36curtmackDid anybody figure this out: http://pastebin.com/d63ee9c2d
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03:31.46kraeheHE = the one who writes in uppercase?
03:31.54NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: no, but clearly I take the lack of response as sign of intense displeasure
03:32.09CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, good thinking there
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03:32.34vbviruspushes a coffee
03:32.48vbviruspops a coffee
03:32.53CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, reads like you f**d up :)
03:33.10curtmackthat's just from running aptitude dist-upgrade -s
03:33.17CutMeOwnThroat-s?
03:33.24jamonsimulate
03:33.29CutMeOwnThroataha
03:33.33CutMeOwnThroatright, you said already
03:33.37NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: the only conclusion I can draw is that God is indeed debian enthusiast but it is a gift he only bestows to the deserving
03:33.47NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: maybe I should go to church more ....
03:33.55curtmackhttp://paste.debian.net/19946/ <-- that's my sources.list
03:34.19CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, from the amount of output produced, I must say I clearly prefer apt-get sometimes :)
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03:34.51CutMeOwnThroatNinjaMan, what about freebsd :P
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03:35.45curtmackIs there a command to completely throw away the current package cache?
03:35.51curtmackor does apt-get update do that normally?
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03:36.24NinjaManCutMeOwnThroat: hmmm I don't know I think the GNU is God's favourite...
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03:36.42mikegriffinanyone played with linux-patch-grsecurity2
03:37.06curtmackmikegriffin: I don't like your verb choice there...
03:37.07CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, apt-get clean
03:37.18CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, (see man apt-get)
03:37.28curtmackblargh, not cache
03:37.33mikegriffinim curious if i can just install the package and start playing or will my ssh session drop me like starting up iptables default deny
03:37.35curtmackwhat's the word. The files that apt-get update downloads.
03:37.54CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, and normally, it does "autoclean" i.e. throws out packages when a certain amount of space is used up
03:37.59CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, archive?
03:38.08curtmackyeah, that
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03:38.37mikegriffincurtmack: are you familiar with the installation and initial configuration of linux-patch-grsecurity2
03:39.23Rusty1NinjaMan: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/docs/dnsmasq-man.html  FWIW
03:39.47curtmackmikegriffin: No. I just find that anything involving "play around" and "Linux security" merits further inquiry.
03:40.07CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, why are there *several* lines XXX packages will be removed /// new packages installed and so on?
03:40.45NinjaManthanks Rusty1 but I aclready have DHCP3 / Bind9 config set up
03:40.45curtmack"automatically installed" versus just plain "installed"
03:40.56CutMeOwnThroat?
03:41.02CutMeOwnThroatso these are from 2 different commands?
03:41.38CutMeOwnThroatthe 1st half actually doesn't look bad
03:42.00CutMeOwnThroatoh, I see
03:42.37jamoncurtmack: just comment out the volatile for now, do the dist-upgrade, do it again until you're done
03:42.44CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, hell, I hate aptitude when it does that - try a simple apt-get upgrade....
03:42.49jamoni'm guessing that libsasl2 newer version is from volatile?
03:43.00CutMeOwnThroatyeah, that's a *good* idea as well
03:43.01curtmackjamon: I did comment out volatile, I get the same output
03:43.24Undead_KnightHello people. I have Debian etch and I installed mysql from the stable repos, but I need the latest MySQL 5.1. How should I go about installing this new MySQL version?
03:43.28CutMeOwnThroatcurtmack, show us the output of apt-get update instead - my brain gets a buffer overflow from this
03:43.32Undead_KnightShould I totally remove mysql before installing? Or could I install the mysql version I need over the existing one?
03:43.48CutMeOwnThroat!simple backport
03:43.51CutMeOwnThroateh?
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03:44.08CutMeOwnThroat!simple sid backport
03:44.08dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
03:44.10Undead_KnightI have looked for backports, but there seem to be none for MySQL 5.1
03:44.10CutMeOwnThroatthere we go
03:44.27CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, if sid has a package, you can do one yourself
03:45.07Undead_KnightBut sid does not have that package...
03:45.15CutMeOwnThroathm
03:45.32curtmackcompile yourself?
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03:46.03jamonit's in experimental isn't it?
03:46.19Undead_KnightI can download and compile, the thing is; should I overwrite MySQL from it's currrent state? Or should I first uninstall (purge) and then install the new version?
03:46.34dmoernerUndead_Knight, it's in experimental
03:46.42dmoernerjudd, find mysql-server-5.1
03:46.42judddmoerner: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
03:46.43jamonUndead_Knight: make dumps of everything, but generally you can leave /var/lib/mysql and install over top
03:47.07Undead_KnightIt is in experimental, but it does not have all the requirements I need (clustering=.
03:48.11jamonUndead_Knight: isn't that when you know it's time to switch to postgresql? :P
03:48.18CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, I'd remove the package ... and perhaps try to make my own package - either by exchanging the source in the source-package against the newest version, or by using checkinstall (do apt-cache show checkinstall to learn what  that is)
03:48.46CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, if not inside a package, I'd install somewhere under /usr/local to keep it separate from the packages
03:48.46jamonseriously though, take a backup, build form source and just use /var/lib/mysql in ./configure
03:49.01Undead_KnightI mean, the MySQL in experimental does not have clustering support compiled in.
03:49.05abrotmanlook at stow or checkinstall
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03:49.23Undead_KnightI've used before check-install...
03:49.34CutMeOwnThroatoh, I forgot about stow...
03:49.49Undead_KnightBut if I download MySQL I guess I would download a binary package.
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03:51.12jamonwhy? http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.1.html#source
03:51.18CutMeOwnThroatcheckinstall alsow works (or sadly as often not) with binary installs
03:51.34CutMeOwnThroatbut it just as often doesn't work with source installs, so nothing new there
03:53.17Undead_KnightI see.
03:53.37Undead_KnightSo I can create a .deb with checkinstall of a binary package?
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03:57.04CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, sure, if checkinstall catches the copy-events
03:57.35CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, checkinstall doesn't really care where the files come from... the only question is if it'll manage to trace where they're copied to
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04:05.29Undead_KnightI see.
04:05.40Undead_KnightSo I should uninstall everything first, right?
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04:08.53CutMeOwnThroatUndead_Knight, if you choose package names/versions accordingly, your self-made package would be regarded as an upgrade to your current one...
04:09.06CutMeOwnThroatstill, I'd uninstall everything first to be on the safe side
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04:11.52sivikanyone here ever install debian on a ibm x345?
04:13.38vbvirusno
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04:14.04vbvirusyour boos would kill you if you did this, i think
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04:14.58sivikvbvirus, how?  its my server
04:15.07adbheh
04:17.35sivikthis server is sitting under my feet
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04:19.24curtmackhow do I tell Aptitude to forget all of my decisions?
04:19.35curtmacklike, how it normally remembers what I tell it to install, not install, etc.
04:19.43curtmackhow do I tell it forget all that?
04:19.58acidslepright, ive had the problem too. ctrl + T
04:20.03acidslepthen cancel pending actions
04:20.20acidslepthat what your lookin for?
04:20.24curtmackyes, thanks
04:20.40curtmackdidn't solve my bigger problem though...
04:21.15curtmackcan someone check if the current lenny dependency tree is broken? Seriously, someone check.
04:21.15acidslepdid you try ctrl meta + m : p?
04:21.20acidslepXD
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04:24.31curtmackOh, hmm
04:24.36curtmackwait a second, I see what's going on
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04:25.23curtmackthe packages being removed are libperl5.8, libsasl2, and xserver-xorg-video-all
04:25.41kraeheeither uses apt or dselect ... but does not like aptitude
04:26.04curtmackxserver-xorg-video-all is a pseudo-package that depends on a bunch of xserver video drivers, which are all being installed on their own
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04:26.12curtmacklibsasl2 is a transitional dummy package
04:26.29curtmackand libperl5.8 is being removed because it's being replaced by libperl5.10
04:26.45curtmackand to think if I had actually checked this 3 hours ago I would've saved myself a lot of time and heartache
04:28.14jaggz-amarok froze up so I killed it.. then kill -9'ed it.. and it's left defunct, as a child of kdeinit.  It had two children -- two "ruby"'s -- which I just killed and which are now defunct as well.  Amarok will not re-run -- I just end up with a dcop amarok line in ps.
04:29.51curtmackwell, it still requires me to keep a bunch of packages at their current version, but that's not really my primary concern
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04:30.32umarzukihi all
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04:31.38umarzukianyone suggest me a live debian based distro with open office and all video codecs (.avi etc) plus low cpu usage
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04:32.45pobegaWhat's the best *recommended* USB wifi card for Debian? Something with good range and preferablly G (I dunno if they make USB with G, though). And of course something small and good for roaming
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04:46.25PeterFAWhen I try to /etc/init.d/openvpn start, it says it failed and produces no error. I can't find any log files at all. What's wrong?
04:46.38PeterFAHow do I get some feedback to solving the issue?
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04:48.19beardyPeterFA: Check /var/log/syslog
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04:48.55beardyPeterFA: Always do that if something hasn't it's own logfile, which most things haven't.. that's why syslogd exists, to stop things from having that.
04:49.09PeterFAbeardy, oh.
04:49.13PeterFAbeardy, it does, thanks.
04:49.22beardyPeterFA: You're welcome.
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04:49.53beardyPeterFA: OpenVPN, its config file, also has a directive to log to a given file when debugging, IIRC.
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04:51.18PeterFAbeardy, I'd have been stuck without knowing about Mr. syslog
04:51.35mikegriffinPeterFA: lsof | grep log$
04:52.54beardyPeterFA: If you want excessively much logging when setting it up, and not fill your syslog. But when you're done, have it log to syslog with a sane verbosity value.
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04:55.06n3klWhat is the standard command line cd burning tool now?
04:56.10acidslepcdrecord = wodim?
04:56.33n3klI thought cdrecord went dead/unmaintained?
04:57.00acidslepja :( dey is all gui nao, cept wodim replaced cdrecord meinks
04:57.21acidsleps/meinks/me-thinks/g
04:58.00beardyNo.. some legal fuss IIRC.
04:58.03beardy!wodim
04:58.03dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>.  See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice.
04:59.36PeterFAbeardy, I fixed my problem now because of what you told me, thanks. Saved me some hours.
04:59.59PeterFAwodim is cool. It's really the only no-nonsense writer I've ever used.
05:00.16n3klwodim it is
05:00.19PeterFAAll others had emotional issues and baggage from previous boyfriends.
05:00.58PeterFAOne was schizo and I had a hard time getting rid of her. I said, "We need to see other people," and she was like, "I am other people."
05:00.59PeterFAUgh!
05:01.11acidsleprlol!
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05:01.31acidslepoh man, can i bash.org that?
05:01.38PeterFAacidslep, go for it.
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05:03.33beardyPeterFA: Nice to hear.
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05:04.20PeterFAWhen I do my cd burning, I go straight for the terminal because no GUI one is sufficient.
05:06.34acidslepPeterFA: submiteded
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05:15.03Olavis that true?
05:16.34enoufno
05:16.54OlavOk
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05:16.55enoufeven k3b uses wodim as a backend
05:17.10enouf(on debian)
05:17.23certronAny dual-booters (win/deb) that just had their grub wiped out by the last windows update?
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05:18.27beardycertron: Does it matter?
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05:18.35enoufheh
05:19.18certronbeardy: it matters because it happened after e16 decided it didn't want to return me to console... Just wondering.
05:19.24enoufand .. do you mean update as in ServicePack?
05:19.58certronno, I think it is this 'panic' update patch that they decided to push out on Thursday. I'm on x86-64.
05:20.08certronI'll probably just livecd it and restore grub.
05:20.28enoufXPoop?
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05:20.53beardycertron: I mean, what you want to do is reinstall GRUB.
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05:21.38certronI hope that is all I will have to do. Anyone else every hear of e16 quitting to a blinking-character console?
05:21.56beardyWhat is el6?
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05:23.37certronenlightenment, since there is no package yet for enlightenment v17 :-)
05:24.22enoufpasses beardy a few monospace fixed-width font packs :-P
05:25.20beardyenouf: Because I use one, or are you saying they make it easier to distuinguish, because.. I just noticed that, yes.
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05:25.30enoufcertron: a DE dropping out to console is an X vs Console issue, not a grub one
05:25.39beardyWhat enouf said.
05:25.43enoufbeardy: both ;-)
05:25.59beardyenouf: Well, this one is not easy to see.
05:26.49beardyNo good introductory factoid to the virtual consoles..
05:26.54beardy?
05:27.09enoufbeardy: i too realized after i wrote it, because i've seen bad fixed-width fonts make it terrible to distinguish between 1 and l and I
05:27.19certronI agree, but hopefully enlightenment will return me to console one of these days. Grub issue, I'm going to just chalk up to randomness or windows.
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05:27.41enoufbeardy: oh man, ever fix your aptitude man page issue?
05:28.05enoufthere;s a bug report about it, with a work around, IIRC
05:28.26beardycertron: No.. I mean, do you know you have 6 virtual consoles, and, when X dies, you get a console, without anything running in it, with the cursor blinking.
05:28.44beardyenouf: Yes.. abrotman said it was known, when I said what kind of crap I had in it.
05:28.52certronbeardy: no, it was more of a hard freeze-up. Couldn't switch consoles and the numlock wouldn't toggle.
05:29.04enoufbeardy: righto - ok
05:29.07beardycertron: Ah. Could you ssh in?
05:29.15beardyenouf: Oh, what's the fix though?
05:29.27certronbeardy: I could, maybe, if I had another machine on the network. :-)
05:29.28enoufbeardy: i'd have to look ..
05:29.53certronno worries, I'll fix it up and it should probably get itself fixed.
05:29.55beardyenouf: (well, if better then replacing it) Yeah.. not sure I care..
05:30.04beardyenouf: But glad to know.
05:30.51enoufbeardy: perhaps just upgrade it ... apt-get update ; apt-cache policy manpages manpages-dev ?
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05:31.44beardyenouf: Well, I do regular security upgrades. You mean things get upgraded outside of that, in stable?
05:32.00beardy(aptitudesmite enouf)
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05:33.24enoufbeardy: yeah, i'm brainfarting - the man page is delivered in the pkg aptitude - duh ..
05:33.49beardyenouf: Yeah.. I meant the use of apt-get update though.
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05:36.15enoufbeardy: well, just to update your cache prior to seeing if new versions are there - i forget exactly what the rules are for adding/bumping new minor revision fixes for bug like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473580
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05:40.28beardyenouf: Thanks.
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05:41.20enoufbeardy: np ;-)
05:41.31beardyenouf: Yes, I just did an update before, 20 minutes ago.. same version.
05:41.55enoufhrm - now to check the changelogs .. hrm
05:43.08beardyenouf: Well, it's not that important.. I'm happy with having it fixed in lenny, sometime.
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05:43.50beardyenouf: It just confused me.
05:44.49beardyOne thing though.. is why the 4.0r5 dir still is not there.. that really is..
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05:45.14enoufbeardy: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/aptitude/current/changelog search for 473580 - aye
05:45.16enoufaptitude (0.4.11.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
05:45.34enoufjudd: versions aptitude
05:45.35juddenouf: aptitude: 0.4.4-4 (etch) 0.4.11.10-1 (sid) 0.4.11.10-1lenny1 (lenny)
05:46.37enoufi don't get how fixes like that are not allowed into Stable though  .. sigh
05:47.30enouf(i know, i know .. it needs to be of certain 'graveness' etc .. still - beardy, i know i've seen a workaround posted to reformat that manpage)
05:47.44simonrvnlike an apache2 update... sheesh, really. 1 month after those CVEs were announced.
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05:49.59beardyenouf: Hmm, I just scimmed that bugreport page, but it seemed to be a local fix there.
05:49.59jaggz-hmm.. what do you use for an embedded mp3 player in iceweasel?
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05:51.49enoufsimonrvn: on an unrelated issue - i've been trying to track down the status of newer HPN support in openssh http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ , but it seems the last mention about it (debian-ssh dev mailing lists) is from April (#13389 ?) and February http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2008/02/msg00031.html
05:52.17enoufbeardy: righto, i thought so - i have trouble finding things at times
05:52.21enoufbrb
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05:56.24simonrvnenouf: wow
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06:01.25dudemanhi
06:01.25damosuhttp://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=10dcf12b6802de1a76ab990fdf7317ea
06:01.41forceshttp://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=10dcf12b6802de1a76ab990fdf7317ea
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06:02.29damosuhi dudeman
06:02.34damosusee te link :P
06:02.44liable!ops damosu and forces are spammers
06:02.44dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: damosu and forces are spammers
06:02.51damosummm
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06:02.53damosusorry
06:03.41rebel_kidgoes to add that feature to his bot :)
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06:05.16J-_Does Debian support the GM965 chipset?
06:05.17enoufback
06:05.24enoufsimonrvn: right ;-)
06:05.25simonrvnsorry, my ass
06:06.06simonrvnJ-_: does linux?
06:06.11bobernetJ-_: it's not a debian issue or not.  hw drivers are part of the kernel.
06:06.16simonrvnit's a kernel thing
06:06.27enoufit's a versioning issue
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06:06.43bobernethttp://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html
06:06.50enoufJ-_: lenny would be best for you for that , IINM
06:06.51bobernetper intel, the answer is yes
06:07.02simonrvnso there
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06:07.13enoufJ-_: as far as any possible native supported resolutions and any 3D
06:07.19enoufsupported
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06:07.25simonrvnwoot mentor, thank you
06:07.33mentorstable bolted
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06:07.53MordocaiHello, i am attempting to switch from fedora to debian, and none of my virtual terminals are showing up... the monitor says no signal. Any ideas?
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06:07.55J-_Well, I am running Ubuntu Hardy Heron and GM965 is supported. Not sure if that makes a difference within any particular reasoning
06:08.14geekJ-_: i THINK its a matter of kernel, and X version
06:08.20enoufJ-_: the kernel version and Xorg version matters
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06:08.35jaggz-how can I get kdeinit to get rid of [amarokapp] defunct
06:08.40bobernetJ-_: uname -r
06:08.42J-_Okay
06:08.56mentorjaggz-: Code it so it doesn't suck
06:09.04enoufheh
06:09.09J-_bobernet:  2.6.24-21-generic
06:09.10enoufconcurs
06:09.12bobernetJ-_: lenny is on 2.6.24
06:09.13mentorjaggz-: See: reaping children
06:09.21J-_Nice
06:09.33bobernetyou should be good
06:09.34enoufetch does have a .24 and a .26 available, however , the Xorg version is lacking
06:09.49enouflenny is on .26
06:10.00jaggz-yeah, it didn't catch and cleanup the child's exit (I had to kill amarok because it locked up)
06:10.04J-_Will there be any advancements in the future for this chipset?
06:10.11J-_in regards to xorg.
06:10.18simonrvnno doubt
06:10.18jaggz-etch is so old.. I'm still using it :/
06:10.18mentoridly does a kernel mode-setting dance
06:10.27bobernetenouf: figures.  i don't upgrade often enough.  ;)
06:10.39jaggz-I'm waiting for the next debian release to install on my laptop.. maybe I can go with unstable on it?
06:10.49simonrvnlenny's fine
06:10.49enoufJ-_: yep - and as i said, Lenny's version is pretty up-to-date - moreso than Etch's atleast
06:10.58bobernetjaggz-: etch is fantastic on servers.  i've been running lenny on my thinkpad for quite some time.
06:10.58jaggz-unstable is basically converted to stable right?  It's all being tested and then just renamed at the end?
06:11.09J-_enouf:  Sounds good.
06:11.25simonrvnjaggz-: eh, it's for beta testing
06:11.29bobernetjaggz-: no.  testing becomes stable.  unstable feeds testing.  experimental feeds unstable.
06:11.37jaggz-oh, testing I mean.  sorry
06:11.42J-_bobernet, enouf: Thanks :)
06:11.53simonrvnexperimental doesn't always feed sid
06:11.54enoufJ-_: it moves, from downward - right now, Lenny is frozen and being prepared for release as next Stable through many bug squashes
06:12.14enoufcrap - i said that 1st part wrong - /msg dpkg releases
06:12.21jaggz-make sure to install the Tab Mix Plus extension for firefox if you haven't yet.
06:12.39jaggz-I hope I just made the world a better place.
06:12.46bobernetwhat's firefox?
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06:13.08enoufa bloated browser :-p
06:13.10simonrvnbobernet: you being facetious or serious?
06:13.19rebel_kidok dpkg is hilarious, im copying some of those factoids lol
06:13.34bobernetsimonrvn: facetious.  given that this is #debian, and there is no firefox in debian.  (well, a symlink)
06:13.41simonrvndpkg: your factoids
06:13.41dpkgPick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>.  Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
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06:14.23simonrvnbobernet: ;)
06:15.17bobernetMordocai: sorry, lost your msg in the scroll.  did someone respond to your console problem?
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06:16.35Mordocaibobernet: Nope, i'm thinking maybe installing the nvidia drivers might help...
06:16.39enoufMordocai: funny, i recall your nick - and last time i saw you, i had a helping reply for your issue then, but you had left by the time i read all the scroll, lmao
06:17.08enoufand your nick wasn't regged or something, so no memoserv was avail
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06:17.39bobernetMordocai: if your issue is with a console/virtual terminal, the video drivers should be irrelevant.  are you talking about a graphical login (gdm, kdm, xdm) or text login?
06:17.53enoufMordocai: when you say 'switch from fedora', tell us which debian you installed, your hardware, etc
06:18.25enoufOh .. that "Signal out of range" ?
06:18.29Mordocaienouf: Nvidia 9800 GTX, AMD phenom 2.6 ghz quadcore, OC to 3.0 ghz, 4 GB ram, using etchnhalf x64 bit.
06:18.38enoufthat's a Hor/Vert Hz thing
06:18.57Mordocaibobernet: ctrl+alt+f1 from graphical
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06:19.09enoufsounds like you need to define your Monitor modes in your xorg.conf
06:19.10bobernetMordocai: graphical works ok?
06:19.26Mordocaibobernet: Yeah, except it doesn't see second monitor
06:19.39Mordocaienouf: Okay, i'll take a look.
06:19.53Mordocaienouf: It says "No signal: DVI" though.
06:19.59bobernetMordocai: that's odd.  you shouldn't be in X at that point, so the xorg.conf isn't going to help
06:20.12enouf$ egrep -i 'vert|hor' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:20.20enouf<PROTECTED>
06:20.20enouf<PROTECTED>
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06:20.31enoufis my particular LCD settings
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06:21.20enoufoh - hrm, DVI? i wonder, is it the correct cable? DVI-D, DVI-A, etc are all slightly different, IINM
06:21.37simonrvn!iinm
06:21.37dpkgmethinks iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken"
06:21.46beardyDon't see why the cable should be different.
06:21.57enoufMordocai: also, no matter what, no Xorg driver for nvidia provides any 3D
06:22.05beardyUnless the D if I'm correct in that it's digital, could be optical.
06:22.11Mordocaienouf: debian not use livna, i assume?
06:22.18f00li5hcan anyone recommend a network management "thing" where i can store all the information about my hosts... ideally one that I can configure dhcpd from?
06:22.25simonrvnlinva?
06:22.35beardy..but I don't think it is.
06:22.35simonrvnlivna*
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06:22.40MordocaiYeah, livna has nvidia drivers that work for 3d
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06:22.51Mordocaion fedora that is...
06:23.24simonrvnLivna is a software repository that contains packages for the Fedora Linux distribution.
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06:24.43enoufbeardy: http://www.criticalcables.com/websiteinfo.asp?fc=576
06:24.51enoufwikipedia.org as well
06:25.01acidslepguize
06:25.01enoufMordocai: i don't know livna
06:25.08bobernetthe drivers here should provide 3D and work with X.org: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_171.06.01.html
06:25.15Mordocaienouf: But yeah, the cable certainly works fine in fedora... so it's not cable
06:25.25enoufMordocai: ok, good
06:25.34simonrvnnvidia packages are in non-free
06:25.36acidslepwho is ACPI:?
06:25.41creddyGuys I have a serious problem here.  I've been unable to boot any of the debian AMD64 linux-kernel packages since 2.6.25.  It says it can't find a valid ramdisk at block 0 and can't mount any filesystems.  I've tried changing /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf to point to UUID's as per a friends suggestion and recreating /boot/initrd.... with update-initramfs.  There's nothing in the debian bugs system.  Is there anything you can suggest?
06:26.03enoufMordocai: likely you need a newer Xorg version - but if you are going to use nVidia drvers anyway - /msg dpkg nvidia
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06:26.40enoufacidslep: you mean what is? Advanced Configuration and Power interface
06:26.41beardyenouf: How very.. standards typical.
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06:26.55enouf!standards
06:26.55dpkgThe good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from!
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06:26.58enouf:-P
06:27.20acidslepheh, no. like when a message comes on stdout
06:27.49acidslepACPI: Transitioning device blah blah
06:27.52acidslepon console?
06:28.17bobernetMordocai: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/14246
06:28.40acidslepcreddy needs help :(
06:28.50bobernetwas this working for you under Fedora on the same hardware?
06:29.17bobernetyou'd want to compare the kernel ver, video driver ver, X.org ver, and xorg.conf between the working install and the failing install.
06:29.31enoufbeardy: oh - nice one here, unrelated http://www.criticalcables.com/websiteinfo.asp?fc=141 but i bet many many people could use something like this for reference ;-) (or could have when AGP was more the rage, and PCIe was not yet upon us)
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06:30.51bobernetacidslep: it's related to power management.  what's the specific problem?
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06:30.57enoufand now, we have PCIe 2.0
06:31.19Mordocaienouf:http://pastebin.com/m102c6f7   That's my sources.list, i don't think apt is working quite right...(the commented lines are because i had no network connection on install and first boot)
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06:31.56bobernetenouf: which i always confuse with PCI-X... eXtended eXpress... grr
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06:33.01creddyNo suggestions then?
06:33.28stanlinwhat was the question?
06:33.42enoufMordocai: you don't have any regular mirrors listed there
06:33.49creddy"Guys I have a serious problem here.  I've been unable to boot any of the debian AMD64 linux-kernel packages since 2.6.25.  It says it can't find a valid ramdisk at block 0 and can't mount any filesystems.  I've tried changing /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf to point to UUID's as per a friends suggestion and recreating /boot/initrd.... with update-initramfs.  There's nothing in the debian bugs system.  Is there anything you can suggest?"
06:33.52bobernetcreddy: never used amd64, sorry.
06:33.56enouf!tell Mordocai about mirrors
06:34.03Mordocaienouf: Thanks
06:34.28creddybobernet:  I'm not entirely sure it's an amd64 problem.  I have a 2.6.24 AMD kernel that works perfectly fine.
06:34.29stanlincreddy: i used once amd64, its a pile of crap
06:34.51liablecreddy: your controller didnt maybe change your drives from hd to sd maybe?
06:34.56enoufMordocai: always keep lines 9 and 11 (while using Etch) and ensure they remain uncommented
06:35.00stanlinproblems here, then, switch to i386
06:35.04enoufMordocai: the security ones
06:35.27creddystanlin:  Fair point.  I might give that a go.
06:35.38enoufMordocai: the "volatile" repos is/are only for certain things - like clamav and such
06:36.54bobernetliable: UUIDs should fix that, in theory.
06:37.09enoufcreddy: where is / FS on?
06:37.32liablebobernet: yes, if he did that in grub
06:37.40creddyenouf:  /dev/hda1, but I've changed it to a UUID= line..
06:37.44liableoh lilo he said
06:37.45enoufcreddy: you might have hit the udev + LVM device-mapper bug somehow?
06:38.15enoufhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114
06:38.34enoufcreddy: no, i mean RAID, LVM, Crypto, etc ..
06:38.39creddyliable:  I don't know how that would happen.  Would that change between two kernel versions?
06:38.42stanlincreddy: have you tried to boot with a LiveCd and boot with your amd64?
06:38.52liablecreddy: it can do, yeah
06:38.59Mordocaienouf: should this work? it's a default one from debian.org: http://pastebin.com/m2f6b66a1
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06:39.03creddyenouf:  Oh, no it's just a plain ext3 FS.
06:39.16liablecreddy: were your drives hda etc in 25?
06:39.31liableor sda
06:39.39creddyliable:  In 24 they are, but I haven't been able to boot 25.
06:39.48creddyliable:  hda..
06:40.07enoufcreddy: "It says it can't find a valid ramdisk at block 0 and can't mount any filesystems." means a) no /dev/ram[0-15] are being created for use - and b) you have no / FS support or are missing Disk Controller support
06:40.17creddystanlin:  I haven't tried that yet..
06:40.45bobernetcreddy: are they stock kernels?  what drive controller?
06:40.45creddyenouf:  How would I fix that?
06:41.01enoufcreddy: instead of UUID, change hdXX to sdXX instead
06:41.15creddybobernet:  Plain old IDE on-board controler and drive.
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06:41.25enoufgrub's menu.lst would need alteration as well creddy
06:41.34bobernethe's using lilo
06:41.39enouf...
06:41.44creddyenouf:  Why would it change from hdx to sdx?
06:41.50enoufcreddy: libata
06:42.06creddyenouf:  Fair enough.
06:42.10bobernetcreddy: has happened to more than a few of us.  (the hd/sd change)
06:42.11stanlinshould you be using greep
06:42.13stanlinerr grub
06:42.26enoufgreep .. haha
06:42.28enouf:-P
06:42.44enoufgreo greep /boot/grub :-)
06:43.10enoufoh crap - running out of smokes. ..
06:43.12bobernetslackware still uses lilo, i think
06:43.33creddyenouf:  I've already tried changing hda to UUID=... in /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab.  Theoretically shouldn't that fix the problem?
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06:44.08boberneti'm not sure lilo supports UUID yet
06:44.14bobernetwhat lilo version?
06:44.17creddyThe man-page says it does.
06:44.36creddy22.8
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06:45.45boberneti think enouf's suggestion to try /dev/sda1 is a good one
06:45.52creddyOK, I'll try sda and then a different kernel.
06:46.01bobernetif that's not it then the kernel you're booting probably doesn't support your disk controller
06:46.10bobernetor some random bug
06:46.31Mordocaienouf: Did you take a look at that default one up there? the non-us part isn't working, but the rest seems to be (i'm just going to comment out the non-us)
06:46.48creddyI'm really worried that if I keep playing with lilo.conf I'll stuff it up and not be able to boot 24 again.
06:46.52simonrvnnon-us is dead anyway
06:46.56enoufMordocai: there is no non-us
06:47.01enouf!non-us
06:47.01dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
06:47.08bobernetcreddy: that's what livecds are for.
06:47.29Mordocaienouf: yeah, i know. I copied a default and it had it in there.
06:47.32enoufcreddy: no, not really ... depends where and how lilo is installed
06:47.33creddyYeeeeeup.
06:48.13creddyIs it possible to put a root= line under an image= line?
06:48.37enoufcreddy: your /etc/blkid.tab file and moreso the symlinks in ls -l /dev/disk/by-* might be confuddled
06:48.52enoufparticularly the /by-uuid one
06:50.00bobernetthat should cause a failure with either kernel, though
06:50.19enoufso, i'd go back to grub + editing fstab and menu.lst - read the comments in menu.lst - and know the lines starting with one # within the Automagic area do get processed
06:51.06creddyHmmmmmmmmmm.
06:51.13creddyamd
06:51.19enoufi suspect when he fiddled, he missed one important change/setting
06:51.49enoufhowever, if he's hitting this odd udev bug i posted (for whatever reason) a manual workaround might be needed
06:52.11Mordocaienouf: Hmm... i think i'm going to like debian better, after i get used to it.
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06:52.20ArafangionHey, how do I change my locale to french?
06:52.20enoufMordocai: \o/
06:52.26enouf!locales
06:52.26dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running.  This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
06:52.44Arafangionenouf: That sets it system wide.
06:53.01Mordocaienouf: Btw, in a non-server environment(might make one, but it's not going to be important) would you reccomend going testing?
06:53.17enoufcreddy: oh. also ensure your /etc/kernel-img.conf is in order
06:53.25Arafangionenouf: How do I have it conifugred for the current user only?
06:53.40enoufArafangion: within your user's DE or X WM?
06:53.58Arafangionenouf: I'm actually really asking because exporting LANG does work, but gnome itself refuses to be translated, even when I specify the language in the GDM.
06:54.02enoufMordocai: yes, on that new of hardware, yes
06:54.29enoufArafangion: gconfo-editor?
06:54.31enoufArafangion: gconf-editor?
06:54.36ArafangionLet me take a look.
06:54.41enoufgnome-control-panel?
06:54.57bobernetgdm will let you choose
06:55.07enoufgdmconfig?
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06:55.19Arafangionbobernet: Apparently the language isn't installed, according to gnome.
06:55.50ArafangionComplains about LANGUAGE=fr_FR.UTF-8
06:56.13enoufMordocai: also - while installing, remove any overclocking
06:56.28bobernetArafangion: dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate
06:56.42Arafangionbobernet: The locales are definetly generated.
06:56.43enoufArafangion: 'locale' in xterm might list some info for you
06:56.55Arafangionbobernet: Otherwise, LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 wouldn't work /either/.
06:57.00Mordocaienouf: Okay, i'll do that. Why though?
06:57.10enoufMordocai: because ;-)
06:57.19Arafangionif I manually set LANG, then df, vim, openoffice, all that crap works.
06:57.39Mordocaiwants enouf to know he likes to know why and how things work :P.
06:57.45acidslepwould the kernel be sending me ACPI messages?
06:57.56enoufMordocai: to remove that as a cause of any possible issues - it's kind of like burning a CD at 16x to ensure quality, when you know you can usually do 48x
06:58.11Mordocaienouf: Okay, cool. Sounds good.
06:58.21bobernetArafangion: do you get the language selection in gdm?
06:58.36enoufacidslep: you tell us
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06:58.58Arafangionbobernet: Yup, but somehow it doesn't work. Incidentially, it sets a completely different variable it seems, which apparently doesn't work as I don't have the language installed (it seems).
06:59.17bobernetArafangion: .gnome/gdm  add the LANG= there
06:59.40Arafangionbobernet: Create the file?
07:00.05bobernetyes, if it doesn't exist
07:00.08enoufArafangion: look in your .bashrc/,bash_profile for any export BLAH lines you might have forgotten about
07:00.14bobernetit's probably using /etc/default/gdm
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07:01.05Arafangionenouf: I haven't set it in there, I'm getting annoyed because if I set language to being french, it should work /without/ editing such files.  If I wanted to, I could've gotten rid of gdm and just put the stuff into .bash_profile, and use startx myself.
07:01.22Arafangionbobernet: If it were, why is it complaining that the language isn't installed?
07:01.35enouf<PROTECTED>
07:01.46ArafangionAnyway, I've installed everything I can possibly thinkoff that's related to french, so now I'm going to restart my X11 session.
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07:02.13Arafangionenouf: An override would override values, it wouldn't cause something to try using french and fail.
07:02.16enoufwelp - try those things, gconf-editor to access applet (maybe you need an gnome-applets pkg?)
07:02.28ArafangionThis time I'm going to pay more attention to the error message if it appears.
07:02.36enouf!gnome
07:02.36dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>
07:02.49boberneti don't use gnome/gdm so, am running from memory.  sorry.
07:02.54boberneti use startx and dwm
07:02.57enoufdoesn't either
07:03.06Arafangionbobernet: That's fine, and your suggestions would definetly work with the startx approach.
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07:03.27ArafangionAnyway, cya in a moment.
07:03.56enoufArafangion: maybe check what update-alternatives --list x-* is set as defaults
07:04.04enoufis/has
07:04.14enoufuse --config to alter
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07:04.30ArafangionOk, the precise error message is "language fr_FR.UTF-8 doesn't exist".
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07:04.42enoufwonders what /etc/X11/default-display-manager says
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07:04.47simonrvnyou need to generate it then
07:04.56simonrvndpkg-reconfigure locales
07:05.01enoufdpkg-reconfigure gdm
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07:05.14Arafangionyet I can run just about every other program with LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, and it works fine, including using the french translations of all menus and stuff.
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07:05.25enoufkeep yapping, and not doing
07:05.42simonrvnenouf: gdm? why?
07:05.52enoufwho cares why
07:05.56Arafangionenouf: I'm only yapping because people keep claiming that my locale isn't installed, but it is, I'm trying your suggestion.
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07:06.06simonrvnwhy not /etc/init.d/gdm restart if that's whta you have in mind
07:06.19enoufi've offered a gazillion - some might be off a hair or two ;-)
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07:07.25Arafangionenouf: Ok, that's annoying, gdm was smart enough to recognise that french locales existed, but it wasn't smart enough to actually /use/ the bloody thing without the dpkg-reconfigure, which forced it to reload the config.
07:07.36Arafangionenouf: Thanks for that suggestion. :)
07:07.42enouf;-)
07:07.47bobernetwhich was the very first thing we asked you to do.  :)  glad it worked.
07:07.52Arafangionbobernet: It was?
07:07.57simonrvnrestart would have done that...
07:07.57bobernetscroll
07:08.17Arafangionbobernet: Unfortunately I wasn't running irssi in screen, so I've lost the buffer.
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07:08.34Arafangionsimonrvn: Didn't cross my mind that I'd have to restart.
07:08.44efaistoshmmm .... where can we see the number of rc bugs still needed to be fixed before lenny is out ?
07:08.48bobernetno biggie.  glad you're working now
07:09.12bobernetnext step was to call Microsoft and format/reinstall
07:09.19Arafangionbobernet: btw, I did log out and back in again several times, after killing X11, just surprised that wasn't enough to actually reload gdm.
07:09.36simonrvnthat sort of thing is like a config change, some daemons catch the diff, and HUP themselves, or such, and some don't.
07:09.51enouf!lenny status
07:09.52dpkgToolchain: frozen.  Libs: frozen.  Everything else: frozen.  Now, it's serious bug squashing time.  When will lenny release?  Sooner if you help.  See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help.  See also <rc-alert>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html
07:10.01Arafangionsimonrvn: Yes, but the daemon in question did catch the change, as became evident when french now appeared in gdm's menu.
07:10.17enoufefaistos: see what dpkg just said - and /msg dpkg selftell
07:10.29simonrvnseems not totally. probably having to do with libc
07:10.32Arafangionsimonrvn: Which was quite confusing!
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07:10.43Arafangionsimonrvn: You raise a good point.
07:11.32simonrvnoooh, that pesky libc. can't live with it, can't live without it :P
07:11.47enoufArafangion: when using a DM, such as gdm, always better to run the /etc/init.d/?dm start|stop|restart
07:11.57enoufthan to kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace
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07:12.57Arafangionsimonrvn: Just don't get me started about MS's one.
07:13.04bobernetor startx  :)
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07:13.17enoufArafangion: which is also why using a ~/.xsession is recommended over using a ~/.xinitrc when using a DM - if one were to go that route
07:13.56Arafangionenouf: Perhaps.
07:15.14efaistosthnkx enouf
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07:15.31enoufif you grep /etc/X11/ you'll see many $HOME/.[x,X]session lines for variables to look for sourcing, etc - like follow /Xsession.d/ files and /xinit/xserverrc and such
07:16.18Arafangionenouf: In my mind, I thought that gdm had restarted - it is gone, after all, if you kill X11. (So it seemed, alas).
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07:17.07Arafangionenouf: Additionally, gdm seemed to be working fine, it was only /after/ you login, that the error occured, which made me thought gnome was the issue.
07:17.34enoufArafangion: i know, but i've looked at where the SNNx* files are and where the SNNgdm are loaded from in their respective runlevels - gets a bit crazy
07:17.35creddyOK, here goes nothing...
07:18.25Arafangionenouf: It does, indeed.  Regardless, it handles languages a heck alot better than Vista, so I'm still happy.
07:18.44enoufi wonder if stracing the "d-r gdm" command would yield you useful info
07:19.01enoufheh - Blista[tm]
07:19.06Arafangionenouf: It might've, but I wouldn't have been stracing that, I'd have been stracing *gnome*.
07:19.24Arafangionenouf: Remember, gdm was listing the languages just fine. ;)
07:20.00enoufheh, yeah
07:20.05Arafangionenouf: In otherwords, it mislead me, therefore I wasn't going to investigate it.
07:20.18enoufsneaky bastages :-P
07:20.24ArafangionIndeed. :)
07:20.27enouf!blame sneaky bastages
07:20.27dpkgblames pseubodot and sneaky bastages for the end of the world as we know it
07:20.49Arafangionenouf: I've started teaching myself french, btw. :)
07:20.57enouf!\o/
07:20.58dpkgwell, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
07:21.13enoufi might have to learn Russian myself ;-)
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07:21.17Arafangion:)
07:22.01enoufnew family member speaks russian only ;-)
07:22.02ArafangionMy rationale was: Hmm, I'm sick and tired of not studying! Hmm, what to study...  Hmm, why bother going back to uni, I'd only have to wag classes again, might as well get to the source and just get teh damn books myself!
07:22.07Arafangionenouf: Nice. :)
07:22.12enoufArafangion: have you tried that Rosetta stone stuff?
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07:22.51Arafangionenouf: No, just got the book today, and I don't think it mentions that stone - Surely it doesn't have french on it?
07:22.56acidslepwtf, they removed /proc interface for acpi, now how do i control it?
07:23.09enoufacidslep: grep ACPI_PROCFS
07:23.17BlackMagikis it possible to add a group as a member of another group? if so, how do i do this?
07:23.19enoufacidslep: they moved all that into /sys
07:23.23enoufacidslep: see kernel docs
07:23.28acidslepright, but its not implemented.
07:23.32enoufyes it is
07:23.34acidslepor am i not getting it :/
07:23.35ArafangionBlackMagik: No, not with classic user/group management.
07:23.44ArafangionBlackMagik: But I believe you can if you use acl's.
07:23.48acidslepok ok, ill keep looking, where should i start in the docs?
07:23.51BlackMagikArafangion: ah, that explains why it's not working lol
07:23.55enoufacidslep: at the top :-P
07:24.12acidslepneeds a better chair for that much reading :)
07:24.20enouffind /sys and sysfs info
07:24.24Arafangionacidslep: In practice, you don't need them, but they can be an advantage in large organisations.
07:24.48acidslepthe chairs? hehe
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07:25.12enoufacidslep: not using debian kernel eh?
07:25.13Arafangionacidslep: Real men use laptops on their chests, while lying on cushions.
07:25.13enouf$ grep ACPI_PROCFS /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
07:25.14enoufCONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS=y
07:25.26Arafangionacidslep: If you move less, you wear your body out less. ;)
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07:25.33enoufhaha
07:25.50enoufgreat promotional material for Bloat :-P
07:26.12Arafangionenouf: Bloat? I'm *removing* neccessarities such as chairs. ;)
07:26.17enoufCONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER=y also
07:26.35creddyenouf:  Thanks guys, changing the kernel worked perfectly.  :-)  Who else helped with that problem?
07:26.36enoufArafangion: couches, and cushions and beds make up for it :-p
07:26.55acidslepto turn it back on? okie :) i think ill put the laptop on my chest then XD
07:26.55enoufcreddy: can you tell us what exactly you did?
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07:27.16bobernetcreddy: changed kernel config, or grabbed another pre-built?
07:27.27Arafangionenouf: I'd better get some dinner. :)
07:27.32enoufneeds to go out for more smokes - bbiab ...
07:27.36enouf;-)
07:27.58Arafangionenouf: Cya another time, hopefully in a better situation, without me being annoyed at software. :)
07:28.43enoufthat;s cool - i'm hanging a minute or two to hear from creddy - then i go - and no prob, nice to help annoying software not be so annoying :-P
07:28.44stanlincreddy use grub
07:28.45creddyenouf:  I changed to a 686 kernel.
07:29.11creddyYeah, I know I should.
07:29.14enoufcreddy: oh, from an amd64 one? but isn;t your installation amd64? or ..
07:29.24creddyI installed this system in the 90's.  There's probably too much wrong with it.
07:29.42enoufor .. were you just using .24-amd64 with a i386 installation?
07:29.52creddyNot the computer, the actual debian installation btw.  The computer's new.
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07:30.05enoufcreddy: file /bin/ls
07:30.08enoufsays?
07:30.10acidslepguys, whats m mean in the config file?
07:30.18enoufmodule
07:30.26boberneti thought the amd kernel worked fine on .24 and failed on .25?  you never had it working with 64bit?
07:30.28creddyIt's an AMD64 system but all the 25 and 26 versions won't boot.
07:30.34acidslep>< where can i read about it enouf?
07:30.47enoufcreddy: file /bin/ls will tell us, as might uname -m
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07:30.59enoufor dpkg --arch-something or another
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07:31.20enoufacidslep: kernel /Documentation ;-)
07:31.25creddyenouf:  Linux orbital 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Oct 18 16:22:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
07:31.38enoufacidslep: you can install source or find it on the web
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07:31.55enoufcreddy: well, do the file thing
07:32.04creddyenouf:  ls?
07:32.14enoufcreddy: "file /bin/ls"
07:32.27creddyenouf:  /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
07:32.34enoufyep i386
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07:32.41enoufuserland
07:32.42enoufok
07:33.09creddySo to upgrade to the AMD64 kernel you have to change all the userland programs too?
07:33.21enoufhrm, would a -686 kernel even boot on a amd64 userland? i know the inverse works
07:33.29enoufcreddy: yep
07:33.38enoufwait, what?
07:33.44bobernetcreddy: no
07:33.48creddyenouf:  Is there a simple way to do that or do you need to reinstall?
07:33.57bobernetcreddy: you can run 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel
07:33.58enoufto use amd64 userland you'd need to reinstall the amd64 arch
07:34.17enoufthe amd64 kernel should work with both amd64 and i386 arches
07:34.33enoufcreddy: ask in #debian-amd64 about your issue maybe
07:35.05creddyYeah, but for me it doesn't even boot, plus sometimes compiling programs results in errors.
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07:35.18creddyHmm, OK, thanks for the help guys.  :-)
07:35.34enoufcreddy: you were using amd64 kernel + i386 (32bit) userland - now you've just changed to a i386 kernel
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07:36.05enoufyeah - there are some issues with doing that mix i suppose
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07:36.21iLLf8dgreetings all can someone help me out with a usb install? I was following the instructions and it tells me to download a netinst iso but I cant seem to find any that are associated with the files needed to boot off the usb drive I'm getting incompatible kernel version issues when it tries to load the modules?
07:36.34enoufgoes now, for real .. bbiab
07:37.13creddyenouf:  I'd love to be able to run a 64 bit kernel, but everything important works so I'll stick with it I suppose.
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07:44.53bobernetiLLf8d: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/
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07:47.59stanlinhow to unzip just 1 file ?
07:48.16stanlinunzip test.zip filename.txt ?
07:48.49bobernetyes
07:49.01stanlinlawl worked
07:49.03stanlinthanks
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07:51.06iLLf8dbobernet yeah I've been trying that method however the instructions say I need a netinst.iso to add to the usbflash also and I'm having a hard time finding the one thats been built with the same kernel as the usb kernel I cat to the flash drive
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07:52.08stewstanlin: du -sh /path/to/directory
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07:52.32acidslepheh, i just picked out 100MBs of docs :)
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07:53.13stanlinthanks swet
07:53.46iLLf8dhopefully the one I downloaded will work thanks for the response bobernet will give it a shot if not I might be back (or try to see if I can steal the kernel off the netinst.iso I'll be placing on the flash)
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08:05.38stanlinis debian 5 on the way?
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08:08.35binarymutantis there a way to theme aptitude?
08:08.50stanlintheme aptitude? lawl
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08:09.03binarymutanti dont like the blue
08:09.09stanlinuse synaptic?
08:09.14binarymutantno gtk
08:09.29stanlini doubt it supports coloring
08:09.41binarymutantyou think its easy to spot in the source?
08:09.54stanlinnever tried, but may be possible
08:10.02binarymutantimma try it
08:10.39binarymutantshould I put in a wishlist bug?
08:10.49binarymutant;)
08:11.03acemirelease critical bug
08:11.30boodieI have a 'kernel panic' problem; 2 weeks ago, I updated my etch to the kernel 2.6.18-6.AMD64, and, when rebooting it halted, claiming it couldn't find a valid ramdisk, or a valid image in root (0,0) and halt;
08:11.38stanlincoloring as critical? lawl
08:12.04stanlinboodie: use 686 instead, remove amd64
08:12.35boodietoo cumbersome
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08:13.21binarymutantis there a conf file for aptitude?
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08:13.29eroreIs it possible to take a drive out of a healthy raid 1 array and read it in another computer?
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08:13.43click170binarymutant:  aptitude is just a front end to apt, is it not?
08:13.47stanlinboodie: a guy just had the same problem, he resolved deleting amd64
08:14.29binarymutantclick170: yeah
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08:18.03magdaleneheh
08:18.18stanlinis there any point to use 64bits kernels? i have Core 2 Quad Extreme
08:18.38binarymutantyou can customize colors in aptitude its in the readme
08:19.30magdalenewas there any reason for changing the default .deny_hosts in the new stable from ALL to none?
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08:24.17magdalene..or fair game for eggpods.
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08:26.49f00li5hmagdalene: ... not only do they kill you, but they're raping your face
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08:28.09extorwonders if it is risky to upgrade a remote web server from etch to lenny
08:28.09magdaleneahh kids... they can be so cute when they are young
08:28.29simonrvnextor: risky to what?
08:28.36f00li5hwhat's the worst that could possibly happen
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08:28.49simonrvnyour sanity? it running properly?
08:28.55extorsimonrvn, risky in the sense it might not reboot with network connectivity and i have to spend $25 to have it reformatted
08:28.55neoiceso I have two systems that are really similar. one has a fresh install, one has been in use for about 2 weeks
08:29.03neoicewhat would be the best way to make them the same?
08:29.08simonrvnextor: forget about it if it isn't running a 2.6 kernel
08:29.19magdaleneneonice rsync?
08:29.39extorsimonrvn, I need to install some packages which require a newer kernel than 2.6.18 and a newer version of iptables etc etc...so it would be kinda nice to have a lenny server
08:29.49simonrvni was being facetious there, with my "risky to what?" comment =)
08:29.51extorIt is running 2.6.18
08:29.56neoiceextor: check all the release notes and bugs
08:30.08neoicemy 1U webserver cant use greater than .18 because of its RAID card
08:30.27extorneoice, the only thing I care about is...that it reboots and I have ssh connectivity. That's all
08:30.32magdalenesimonrvn: i was thinking : just about as easy as global thermonuclear war actually
08:30.37simonrvnextor: well, TBH, it would go ok, but if you need a newer kernel don't, do it on-site.
08:30.39neoicewell, the lenny kernel causes it to panic
08:30.40neoiceso no.
08:30.58extorsimonrvn, onsite is not an option as the box is 3000 miles away
08:31.10neoiceowch.
08:31.13extorneoice, what do you mean the lenny kernel causes panic. Why would it do that?
08:31.24neoicehardware
08:31.29magdaleneextor: if you can't get onsite then hire someone for backup
08:31.29simonrvndon't install that package that needs newer kernel then
08:31.32neoicethe driver doesnt work
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08:31.45extorsighs
08:31.48simonrvnneoice: filed a bug about it?
08:31.51magdaleneextor: and if it isn't broke, don't fix it
08:31.55neoiceit was already filed
08:32.02simonrvnextor: i know, better not to fuck with that shit
08:32.04neoiceextor: if you can get serial access or KVM over IP, that could work
08:32.07simonrvnneoice: ok
08:32.14magdaleneextor: unless you have a definate security risk that cannot be fixed any other way
08:32.19extormagdalene, I need to install xp-tables/iptables and it DEMANDS a newer kernel as well as a newer iptables
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08:32.22neoicebut having borked many things in many ways remotely, always play it safe
08:32.39extormagdalene, I have a "feature wishlist" that cannot be fixed any other way methinks
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08:32.54magdaleneextor: do you have anyone onsite that can play backup angel if you get borked?
08:32.54neoiceyou could test on similar hardware at home
08:33.20extormagdalene, actually I can run the sites on my home box...and order the remote box reformatted and reinstalled
08:33.43extorwishes he had more than one dedi though...cuz home boxes are kinda iffy
08:33.54magdaleneextor: as if *gods forbid* the voodoo of the powers that be decide to play knick knack on your server backbone
08:34.14extormagdalene, if that happens I can run the site on my home cablemodem
08:34.23extorFor a while at least..maybe even a couple of days!
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08:34.46neoiceis there a command to just dump a list of installed packages?
08:34.52neoicepreferably with version numbers
08:35.05extortwo or three days is enough to get my box reformatted..preferably with another operating system
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08:35.21magdaleneextor: then If it were mine: i would do it only with onsite on the line somehow, as in by phone or networked irc chat etc, so if something does go wrong ( and anything that you think will take only 20 minutes always does) you can at least have them hard reboot it.
08:35.26simonrvnneoice: an aptitude search i suppose
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08:36.00extormagdalene, I dont have voice support since the box is UNMANAGED. All I have is a ticket system where I can oder reboots or reformats
08:36.11magdalenethat works in a pinch
08:36.25extorI have a sort of disaster scenario in place where I just run the sites off my cablemodem!
08:36.39magdaleneextor: have the overproof rum and the virgin goat ready
08:36.44magdalene:)
08:36.53simonrvnmake sure the knife is sharp
08:36.53extorscratches his head
08:37.08magdalenesimonrvn knows
08:37.14extorDo I need to pray to satan to make this happen right?
08:37.23neoicecouldnt hurt
08:37.25simonrvnmagdalene: didn't grok your "easy as thermo..." comment to me
08:37.26magdaleneor some heathon god
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08:38.11extorwhich kernel does "etch and a half" come with...is it higher than 2.6.18?
08:38.13magdaleneperhaps: easy as getting a republican to vote for barak obama?
08:38.21extorI wonder if I could "half upgrade" to etch n a half?
08:38.38magdaleneor Easy as getting a lion to go vegitarian
08:38.52magdaleneor as easy as getting a canadian to vote
08:38.54neoicewell, lets see how badly I can break my shit with rsync
08:39.10magdaleneneoice: it works pretty well
08:39.27neoiceI'm sure, if you use it properly ;)
08:39.34magdaleneman files
08:39.42neoicemeh
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08:39.47neoiceits 2am, i'm feeling lazy
08:39.54neoiceand I can just fresh install
08:39.59magdaleneerg
08:40.08magdaleneneoice: wait till you are fresh
08:40.12magdalenego to bed man
08:40.16neoiceI work graveyard shift :P
08:40.19neoiceI get off work at 7am
08:40.47magdaleneneoice: so you are working irc
08:40.59neoicewell, my job is "make sure the datacenter is running"
08:41.01neoiceso yes :)
08:41.01magdalene*GRIN*
08:41.05neoicenetwork connectivity >_>
08:41.07magdalenenice
08:41.12magdalenei should go back to work
08:41.16magdalenemyself
08:41.22neoicenevar
08:41.24magdaleneas a concept that is
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08:41.39magdalenedoesn't work atm
08:41.39neoiceI could play quake3
08:41.59magdalenetook time out to do the mum thing.
08:42.04binarymutantneoice: what about open arena?
08:42.06magdalenetrust me tech was easier
08:42.40magdalenemind you, I caught my son attempting to edit wiki the other day
08:42.42magdalenehe is 5
08:42.50geekmagdalene: lol
08:42.57geekthats cute ;p
08:42.58neoicebinarymutant: never played OA. ioquake is free and I already own the non-free datafile
08:43.11umarzukilol, for a 5 year-old, he is an enthusiast
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08:43.20umarzukiat least for what he likes
08:43.27simonrvnwhich wiki?
08:43.32umarzukigood for him
08:43.48simonrvnnotes there's thousands of wikis
08:43.51magdalenehe is scaring his kindergarden teacher by learning the 'international phonetic' and 'greek' and 'cryllic' alphabets on wikipedia.
08:44.13umarzukiwow, very enthusiastic
08:44.17DIFH-icerootmagdalene: is kindergarden an english word? (sorry for offtopic)
08:44.17magdaleneand reading my Debian and Linux Administration books
08:44.32neoicewhat a rad kid
08:44.32umarzukiat least he did not play world of warcraft until dawn ;)
08:44.53umarzukii bet someday he'll be a grat hacker
08:44.54simonrvnmagdalene: nice
08:45.07umarzukicongratz to you magdalene
08:45.15magdalenehe is probably way beyond me in understanding the internals of my server. he has already uninstalled 3 windows machines at his grandmother and aunts when they weren't looking out to closely
08:45.24magdalenetoo rather
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08:45.34otwieraczmodpost is in what package?
08:45.35magdalenei dread that thought
08:45.59magdalene'Ms magdalene, why does your bank account suddenly have more money than the bank of canada'
08:46.05stanlinmagdalene: who you are talking about ? Obama ?
08:46.15magdalenenocte, my son
08:46.18magdaleneer
08:46.21magdalenedamn tabkey
08:46.23Guerinmagdalene: awesome
08:46.28magdalenenocte, my son stanlin
08:46.32Guerinthe world needs smart kids
08:46.34stanlinmagdalene: how old?
08:46.46magdalenefrik, need to turn my tabkey off,  stanlin, he is five
08:47.13stanlinoh nice, yeah
08:47.56otwieraczHey
08:48.04otwieraczWhen I compiling cloop i have that error
08:48.20magdalenestanlin: my only wonder about the american democratic candidate is whether or not some crazy is going to attempt to off him before the election
08:48.25otwieracz/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory
08:48.34magdaleneanyway back to debian stuff
08:49.16otwieraczHey?
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08:50.52extorwhat exactly does etch n a half offer the etch user? Anything more recent...or is it just a rolled up and patched r4 CD image?
08:51.29whyzzyrdextor: newer kernel, better hardware support as a result, for one thing.
08:51.54ShitalLinto have openoffice, jre is necessary??
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08:52.27extorwhyzzyrd, if I wanted to upgrade my kernel to at least 2.6.19.X from 2.6.18.X would etch n a half be a safer bet than lenny? If I were to change my souyrces.lst that is
08:53.23whyzzyrdShitalLin: Yes, I'm pretty sure it is.
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08:54.34whyzzyrdextor: I'm afraid I can't help you with that, I'm a user, just like you. I've not had great luck with etch.5 upgrade on the one piece of hardware I tried it on.
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08:54.48whyzzyrdextor: Though, if you're using Grub, I think it's fine.
08:54.52extorwhat is an etch.5 upgrade?
08:55.06extorthere is an r5 out already?
08:55.23stanlinmagdalene: i dont see any difference if Obama wins the election, USA is broke and down for the next decade ayways, 10 trillion in debts... impossible
08:55.26whyzzyrdextor: etch-n-a-half
08:55.41enouf!4.0r5
08:55.41dpkgDebian GNU/Linux 4.0r5 was released on October 23rd, 2008.  http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081023
08:55.53whyzzyrdextor: I'm seeing some interaction between lilo and the initrd
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08:56.14extoretch n a half is r4 not r5
08:56.40extorOh my so this is etch n three quarters out already
08:56.44enoufetch has a .24 and a .26 available, that's all you need to know
08:56.46enouf:-P
08:57.03extorermm when I did an apt-cache search I just saw .18 kernels
08:57.24enouffor .26 you need etch-backports repos
08:57.33enouffor .24 you need security lines
08:57.34extorI also want to upgrade my stock iptables and iptables-dev package too at the same time, if possible
08:57.38enouf!security
08:57.38dpkgPut "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>  Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>.
08:57.43extorbackports does not have iptables unfortunately
08:58.00enoufnone at all?
08:58.09extornope
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08:58.19enoufi find that hard to believe ;-)
08:58.34extorI do too, but the search function does not lie
08:58.40enoufhowever - iptables upgrades likely require a newer libc6
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08:59.38enoufthough i know newer items of netfilter are in the newer kernels and it's modules - search xtables or read about those newer things at kernelnewbies.org and elsewhere
09:00.01stanlinhow to open a PNG file that has multiple layers for edition?
09:00.03extorSo r5 is not available on CDROM yet I guess.
09:00.14whyzzyrd!etchnahalf
09:00.14dpkg"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware.  It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer.  Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf  Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf  See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts>
09:00.23enoufsearch pdo for the kernel image name and list it's files
09:00.28extorenouf, I am trying to install xtables-additions actually. And it insists on a 2.6.19 or newer kernel
09:00.37whyzzyrdextor: etchnahalf isn't r4
09:00.38enoufso, install one
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09:00.52extorwhyzzard according to the CD archives, it is
09:01.03enoufwhyzzyrd: r4 is when etchnhalf became official or something
09:01.11extorhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/
09:01.19stanlini can affirm, certainly Etch and Half, does NOT detect new hardware
09:01.34enoufprior to that, everyone was using kmuto images that needed to
09:01.51whyzzyrdstanlin: I can confirm that it does detect certain broadcom cards that etch doesn't.
09:01.56enoufstanlin: ofcourse it does - depends how new
09:02.23stanlinit couldnt even detect my new CD rom
09:02.31extorSo does r5 have any newer packages, such as perhaps even a new iptables?
09:02.32enoufjust install lenny and call it a day already
09:02.49extorOr does r5 use the exact same repositories as r4
09:02.55enoufi told you like 3 different ways to find out
09:03.11extorenouf, this is on a remote web server. Not a trivial decision
09:03.30enoufthe wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round ..,
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09:03.43extorjust gives up and decides to install lenny
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09:03.53karmatronichi there
09:04.08karmatronicanyone ?
09:04.11stanlinmaybe
09:04.26enouf650 wave back
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09:04.39karmatroniciodined sucks...
09:04.51enoufmany things suck
09:05.06NeaaiWhen I issue the "ps aux" command, I see this line among the others:      " root      2335  0.0  0.3   3056   844 ?        Ss   Oct24   0:00 ???  "       How can I find out what that  "???"  is ?
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09:05.26stanlinhow to see the processes that are running ?
09:05.35enoufouch - a locale/UTF-8 issue - or maybe a ACL, or seLinux issue
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09:06.31enouftry lsof, fuser and search for PID or even poke in /proc/$PID/
09:06.58enoufdoes using auxwf help?
09:07.05Neaaienouf: Under /proc/2335/ there are a bunch of other things.
09:07.12enoufexpected
09:07.28enoufsee Cmdline or whatever it is
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09:10.27Neaaienouf: There's no such thing as a command line. Only "???"  The output of "ps auxwf" is here:  http://paste.debian.net/19959/
09:10.52Neaaienouf: seems like my own shell is spawned by it.
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09:12.01Sebbohneaai, is it possible that your machine has been compromised?
09:12.06enoufNeaai: there's  /proc/2335/cmdline
09:13.41NeaaiSebboh: Maybe, that's possible yea.   enouf:  "cat   /proc/2335/cmdline" reveals only some symbols, as if looking inside a binary file.
09:14.13stanlinHow to add permanently a mount command when booting?
09:14.22enoufNeaai: whatever it is, i don't know, never seen that - also, i can't even tell if that's your ttys or your pts
09:14.36jaggz-(in vim how can I run a search in all file buffers.. so the cursor is positioned in all of them on that line?)
09:14.43enoufstanlin: depends - maybe rc.local
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09:15.05enoufstanlin: maybe /etc/fstab
09:15.10Neaaienouf: it's pts. I have connected to that machine via ssh
09:15.25jaggz-I would use :bufdo but I can't figure out how to do a search there.. it wants an ex command
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09:15.27enoufwell...
09:15.52enoufnot necessarily - there are term only options, not to mention /dev/console .. but i don't know
09:15.56jaggz-neaai: try ps auxwf | less
09:16.18jaggz-oh.. you mentioned that.. n/m
09:16.22Neaaijaggz-: the output of that is    http://paste.debian.net/19959/
09:16.40jaggz-lsof -p 2335
09:17.07jaggz-strace -fp 2335         and ltrace too
09:17.27enoufdmesg | egrep -i 'selinux|apparmor'  heh
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09:18.48enoufthe lsof -p is nice
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09:20.35Neaaihttp://paste.debian.net/19960/
09:20.47noctemagdalene: how / who are u ?
09:20.58stanlinenouf: thanks
09:20.59enoufj0'm0mma
09:21.02enouf:-)
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09:22.35googlahhi.. after playing with localepurge and deborphan, it seems like I cannot change language in phpmyadmin. :( is this server-side?
09:23.07enoufheh, you removed locale support for your language
09:24.11googlahbut in terminal, both english and swedish still works.
09:24.25stanlinenouf: is there any tool to add a mount to fstabs?
09:24.32Neaaienouf: jaggz-: Sebboh: hmm... I just found a hidden directory named   " " under "/usr/games/" and there's this thing called  Pscan2 there ....
09:24.47googlahhttp://27mhz.se/services/phpmyadmin - what language does it select for you, enouf?
09:24.58enoufstanlin: maybe you want automount stuffs, autofs, pmount .. not sure
09:25.06enouf!automount
09:25.06dpkgAsk me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
09:25.20extorProcessing was halted because there were too many errors.
09:25.20extorE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
09:25.31extorso much for a smooth etch to lenny upgrade
09:25.43enoufNeaai: not looking good
09:26.06Neaaienouf: That's what I thought too... am googling for this "Pscan2" thing.
09:26.19Neaailooks bad
09:26.51enoufextor: way to read those release notes
09:27.14enoufgooglah: i don't know
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09:27.26extorenouf...arghhh what do you think happened?
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09:27.31enoufthough i do use localepurge
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09:27.38Radhad8549Hi
09:27.58Radhad8549I would like to know how I can change my debian computer fromn static IP to automatic IP per DHCP
09:28.08Radhad8549on console
09:28.14enoufgooglah: that site says English ISO-8859-1
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09:28.20enouffor me here
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09:28.38enoufRadhad8549: /msg dpkg interfaces
09:28.45googlahenouf: well, can you change language in that list?
09:28.57stanlinenouf: thank you
09:28.58Sebbohneaai, yeah, sounds like the system has been compromised.  That's your mail server, huh?  Sucks. :)  Unplug it; rebuild from scratch.  You could try to clean it; but that's not recommended.  You can never really trust the machine again...
09:29.01stanlin!gnome-volume-manager
09:29.01dpkggnome-volume-manager is, like, a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes.  aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works
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09:29.35googlahenouf: that's what stopped working.. must have orphaned some package.
09:29.47Radhad8549that doesn't work
09:29.58Radhad8549can I change it with "ifconfig" ?
09:30.01enoufgooglah: yes, i can click the menu and choose
09:30.38googlahenouf: Hehe, and it shows the right language? then it must be my browser or something..
09:31.14enoufgooglah: i'm not the best one to test these things for you - and no, it didn't do anything once i selected another language except show me the change in the drop-down
09:31.29NeaaiSebboh: there goes my weekend it seems... :/
09:32.02enoufgooglah: i don't use php/javashit/ajaxshit enabled, not bloated browsers
09:32.05NeaaiSebboh: If I did a fresh install in another disk/partition via deboostrap, could I trust that the new system will be clean ?
09:32.08mhymnRadhad8549: what was the error? what did you type?
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09:32.17enoufwow, i said that backwards a bit :-P
09:32.21acemiRadhad8549: edit /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart
09:32.48stanlinhow to know the UUID of an /dev/sda2 ?
09:32.53googlahenouf: Alright, thanks though.
09:32.59mhymnthinks he typed '/msg dpkg interfaces' in the command line
09:33.20enoufstanlin: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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09:33.39enoufstanlin: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sda2
09:33.53jaggz-Neaii, look for a rootkit scanning program.. I think there's a common one
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09:34.14enoufgooglah: ok - try some other channels more php related - try ##linux #oswebdev amongst many others
09:34.27Radhad8549must I changes "static" in "dhcp" ?
09:34.36enouf!rootkit
09:34.37dpkgrootkit is probably a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place).
09:34.45SebbohNeaai: well.. Hell, probably.  But I grew up in the era of bootsector viruses... :)  I'm paranoid.  (I've seen stuff survive booting from floppy and wiping the HDD..  The trick?  The little bugger re-wrote the CMOS to alter the boot order, then chained back to the floppy so I thought it was a clean boot... :(  )
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09:35.52enoufsounds like a IPL exploit almost
09:36.05Neaaijaggz-: I'm doing that right now. But like Sebboh said I'm on the way to reinstall the system... that being a mailserver I'd love to install via deboosttrap and then reboot with the new system while the disks that hold the mailboxes are still in place.
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09:36.37mhymn!tell Radhad8549 about dhcp client
09:36.46jaggz-okay.. there's also a way of verifying all package files too
09:36.53jaggz-but if you can reinstall it's best
09:37.10Radhad8549"dhclient ethx" was the solution :)
09:37.17Sebbohenouf: I tried googling 'ipl exploit' but I didn't get a definition.  Can you expand that acronym for me?
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09:37.22enoufstanlin: blkid even will, but that reads the file /etc/blkid.tab
09:37.28jaggz-what if there is a virus in the boot sector?  re-install the boot loader too :)
09:37.40enoufSebboh: Initial Program Load, iirc
09:37.43Radhad8549thx for your help :)
09:38.05enoufSebboh: what Compaq used to do - store CMOS on the HDD to save money on an actual BIOS ROM chip
09:38.15Sebbohjaggz-: but you can't trust your file-hash verifier if you don't know if the kernel is clean. :)
09:38.17enoufSebboh: oh snap
09:38.19enoufIML
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09:38.24Neaaienouf: compaq still does that freaky stuff
09:38.28enoufInitial Microcode Load i meant
09:38.31enoufsorry
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09:38.44stanlinenouf: thanks a lot, im writing that to my notes
09:38.52enoufyep - tattoed HDDs :-p
09:38.56Sebbohoh! That's a myth. :)  Pff, never happened, afaik.
09:39.00enoufstanlin: np ;-)
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09:39.20enoufthinks they stopped that shit though
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09:40.57NeaaiI'll give the deboostrap installation a try. As the packages will be pulled from the repos, I think they'd be proper. Or so I hope I guess ....
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09:41.48jaggz-Sebboh, heh
09:42.34rhalffhi I have problems install proftpd-mysql, it has a version conflict, although I'm running debian stable
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09:42.47rhalffanyone here has it installed on a stable system ?
09:43.14enoufheh http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6802028.html
09:43.22rhalffit gives me: proftpd-mysql: Depends: proftpd (= 1.3.0-19etch1) but 1.3.0-24 is to be installed
09:43.47boodieHi, I have the default kernel starting in grub that gives kernel panic ... other kernels work. How can I modify the starting kernel in grub?
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09:44.05Winklerhow does ln works again?
09:44.10Winklerln -S source target?
09:44.21Winklerdoes anyone know ?
09:44.22enoufwow - http://www.geocities.com/mamanzip/Articles/Award_Bios_RE/Award_Bios_RE_guide.html talk about comprehensive :-P
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09:44.32NeaaiWinkler: ls -s linkname realname
09:44.37mastertheknife64boodie: Hm, how about boot into the working kernel, then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf from linux ?
09:44.39NeaaiWinkler: ln*
09:44.51Winkleroki thanks
09:45.03enoufi like his name even :-p
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09:45.36trumpenrhalff,  here I have $ apt-cache show proftpd | grep Version => Version: 1.3.0-19etch1
09:46.10Spee_Derboodie, in /boot/grub/menu.list
09:46.23acemimenu.lst
09:46.23enoufboodie: select the kernel line you want to edit from the Menu, press 'e' to edit, then edit it, press Enter, then 'b' to boot it
09:46.41boodieat boot?
09:46.42enoufboodie: it tells you right there even ;-)
09:46.45enoufat boot
09:47.47Spee_DerGood morning everyone. Time for some fresh coffee....
09:48.40rhalfftrumpen,  hm ok that returns me two version, guess I'll have to uninstall the current version first, maybe I ever went from unstable to stable in my sources.lst on this machine, thanks.
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09:49.08enoufSpee_Der: you mean time for a nice Meatball Parm hero ;-)
09:49.12boodieeasy - but I still don't understand why 2.6.18-6-amd64 gave me first kernel panic (while the previous one worked), plus when I tried etchnhalf, it installed two versions, one of which (set as default in my current grub) still gives kernel panic
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09:50.26boodietoday I aptituded and now 2.6.18-6-amd64 works
09:50.26boodiestrange ...
09:50.27rhalfftrumpen, thanks it's installed now :)
09:50.27trumpenrhalff, yw ;)
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09:57.21extorboodie what was the reason for kernel panic?
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09:58.43Sal9000blames linus torvalds
09:59.30stanlintolvards? aint he working for Microsoft?
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10:02.36Neaaienouf: Sebboh: that "???" process as it seems was a wrapper for sshd daemon. Removed it, updated the apts-sources, updgraded/replaced a load of  ssl related stuff, restarted it. Now at least it looks better than before. Yet am on my way to prepare for a debootstrap installation as well.
10:04.19Spee_Derenouf, thanks for the snack too, goes well with hot coffee......
10:04.42enoufheh
10:05.45enoufNeaai: well, the only oddity i can think of may be occuring from /msg dpkg dsa1571
10:05.58enoufthings
10:06.14Neaaireading what dpkg has to say ....
10:06.33enoufshows Neaai how to use /me
10:06.35enouf:-P
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10:06.55Neaaienouf: that's exactly what it did the installation... regenerated all the keys.
10:06.57Neaaihehe
10:07.04enoufyep ;-)
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10:08.24Sebbohoh, yeah, no kidding, if you have extra files on a deb box odds are damn good it's dsa1571
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10:09.06Sebboh+ to blame.
10:09.07Neaaienouf: I have read somewhere stated that debian fresh installs are not secure enough to be used in production right away. Can you point me to any resources to harden such an installation a bit ?
10:09.55Sebbohneaai, link?
10:10.03NeaaiSebboh: anything
10:10.18Neaaior you mean where I read that ?
10:10.22Sebbohyes
10:10.35Sebboherm, where you read that, I mean. :)
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10:10.49NeaaiSebboh: need to find it. It wasn't now I read that actualy
10:11.43NeaaiSebboh: I remembered I read somewhere that claim. One of the things it mentioned for eg. was that /home/username dirs are readable from all.
10:11.58Agrajag-g'day, the tzdata package in etch doesn't seem to contain /usr/sbin/tzconfig, but the postinst script for tzdata tries to run it, giving me "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst: line 27: /usr/sbin/tzconfig: No such file or directory"
10:12.06enoufNeaai: /msg dpkg harden-doc
10:12.19extorOut of openvz, xen and vserver which virtualization do webhosts usually prefer if they want to chroot different versions of apache and php from each other? Which is the least resource intensive?
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10:12.31Agrajag-on another debian box /usr/sbin/tzconfig was provided by tzdata, but according to http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/tzdata/filelist it doesn't anymore
10:12.39enoufNeaai: stop all unneeded services from ever starting - rcconf is handy
10:13.11Neaaienouf: marvellous. That's like the doc I needed. Thanks.
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10:13.38enouf;-)
10:14.01boodieHi I need to change the kernel starting automatically in grub, how can I do it?
10:14.08Sebbohextor: Uhm, I don't know about those other things you mentioned, but Xen is virtualization at the machine level--each virtual machine boots its own kernel.
10:14.21enoufboodie: edit the file others told you about
10:14.36extorSo Xen does not have a paravirtualization option at all nowadays?
10:14.48enoufman grub , read the info/comments in the file
10:15.08extorI know vserver is para only...openvz has at least para support and might be hybred
10:15.19enoufnote how lines starting with one # are indeed processed if within the Automagic area
10:15.52enoufextor: sure it does
10:16.13Sebbohextor: well, yes, but paravirt still boots its own kernel.  ...  Nothing to do with chroot.  Sorry, I don't know what those other products are, so maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that you missed something.  (Maybe I'm the one that missed something.)
10:16.14enoufparavirtualization support is finally in, IINM :-)
10:16.25extorenouf, according to Sebboh it emulates BIOSes too
10:16.29enoufbut why not use kvm instead ;-)
10:16.40stanlinkvm rulez
10:16.40boodieHow about update-grub?
10:16.54enoufhow about it
10:16.54extorwhat is kvm, a new VM suite?
10:17.00enouf!kvm
10:17.00dpkgrumour has it, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse  Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
10:17.16extorok kvm may be what i need
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10:17.30extorcan I run an etch host and install a lenny guest with kvm?
10:17.36Sebbohyes.
10:17.44enoufextor: your cpu needs to support it - although, it can run in conjunction with qemu
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10:17.49extorand is kvm the least resource intensive of all of these?
10:17.56SebbohBut, that's not related to chroot! :)
10:17.56enoufyep
10:18.07extorwell it is chroot deluxe
10:18.15enoufhehe
10:18.30Sebbohno.  It's not.  I get it now, you know what virtual machines are, but maybe not what chroot is. ;)
10:18.44extorchroot is filesystem sandboxing
10:18.45enoufvserver isolates, but the memory is shared, so not completely, like xen and others would  isolate
10:19.18extorso does kvm isolate VERY LITTLE then...compared to even vserver? Or is it just on vservers level but more stable and debian friendly?
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10:19.33enoufextor: read about it ffs
10:19.37extork
10:19.37boodieOk: I have the first kernel on the top menu of grub, the one automatically booted, giving 'kernel panic' (I still haven't understood why) ... the other kernels work: I would want to make one of these other kernels as default, that's all
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10:20.32enoufxen, vmware, virtualbox, qemu, kvm all isolate fine - kvm with cpu support is the least CPU / resource instensive
10:20.59enoufopenvz even, iinm
10:21.25extor"with cpu support"
10:21.29enoufsee "default   X"
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10:21.36enoufwhere X is a number
10:21.42extorMeaning it has to have VM extensions.. I presume a core2duo has this support
10:21.58enoufor, just rearrange the fucken stinkin menu :-P
10:22.15enoufextor: you don't read well eh?
10:22.38enouf"....   egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios."
10:22.41extorit doesnt mention the specific support in the intro url
10:22.44extorohhh
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10:23.28extoryeah vmx is there
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10:24.59enoufnote; kvm is a work in progress
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10:25.49extorwonders how well kvm would run inside vmware on a vmware guest emulating his remote web server
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10:26.15SebbohNot at native speed? :) Just a guess.
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10:27.04extorI run a xen kernel inside one VM and it is slow as molasses
10:27.25extorIt appears kvm is actually not even a kernel drag but actually a MODULE..which sounds very speedy
10:28.04noctewell
10:28.05noctei have an issue to install blackbox
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10:28.14noctehe won't. i have debian etch and xfce4, that i want to replace by blackbox
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10:28.40nocteshould i remove xfce4 && xdm ?
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10:28.54enoufextor: you don't
10:29.07Sebbohextor, uh..  Xen doesn't run on non-physical hardware.
10:29.26Neaaiboodie: If you boot with one of the working kernels, if you move the stanza of this kernel to be the first  listed in menu.lst that will lead to that entry being the first highlighted in boot time, and thus the default.
10:29.26extoreh? I got a debian xen enabled kernel thingy to boot up in vmware
10:29.35Neaaiattack of the clones
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10:30.58Sebbohextor: did you actually run a domU in that dom0?  'Cause, if you did, you should probably let the xen devs know how you managed it. ;)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_0
10:31.44extorno just a dom0
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10:35.00mateuszI dont know why i965_dri.so is loaded from /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib I installed mesa, libdrm and intel driver with --prefix=/usr but I get this verbose error http://pastebin.com/d7a323917
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10:39.22enoufmateusz: why? because you didn;t also set eprefix and such
10:39.36enoufwhy not just alter your $PATH
10:39.53mateuszenouf: epreifx ?
10:40.04enouf./configure --help
10:40.18mateuszenouf: yes I am just now reading it
10:40.31mateuszenouf: but there is no eprefix
10:41.05enoufmateusz: can you pastebin that output? and what does INSTALL and README tell you?
10:41.40enoufmateusz: why not just alter your $PATH , and move /usr/local/bin to the end
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10:41.47enouffor a test anyway
10:41.58mateuszenouf: there is no INSTALL or README in git master mesa
10:42.11enoufoh well
10:42.15mateuszenouf: I'll look up in debian's source how they compile it..
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10:42.40enoufmateusz: debian-x on oftc.net maybe
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10:49.17mateuszenouf: is removing patch from debian/patches/series and 01...diff enough ?
10:49.31mateuszenouf: enough to remove patch from building package process
10:49.44liableyou need to edit the series file
10:49.55mateuszliable: yes I did it
10:50.14mateuszliable: ok its building I hope it will work
10:50.22enoufmateusz: no idea
10:50.32liablerun debuild and see if it compiles. the other patches might not apply cleanly depending
10:51.50mateuszliable: thanks I am building already with dpkg-buildpackage, should be fine only one patch did not apply
10:51.57enoufscratches head at this 'why compile'
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10:52.54mateuszenouf: debian's experimental mesa does not support GEM
10:54.01mateuszenouf: also using old verions through me to opengl 1.4 which has too little features to run anything
10:54.11mateuszthrow me*
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10:59.01enoufwtf is gem? other than a shiny rock
11:00.10noctehi all. i have a clearly weird issue
11:00.18nocteroot@fogheaven:~# dpkg -l | grep linux-image
11:00.19noctebash:  grep: command not found
11:00.20nocteroot@fogheaven:~#
11:00.32noctegrep is here
11:00.44nocteit give me the same result if I try to pipe more a man
11:00.53nocteor to add another command after the pipe
11:01.00nocteim' running debian etch 2.6.24
11:01.05mateuszenouf: I dont really care about GEM, just to have newer drm modules than in vanilla kernel
11:01.41mateuszenouf: gem is graphic memory manager replacing ttm, going into 2.6.28 mainline
11:02.19enoufok then ..
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11:02.31enoufyeah, vanilla kernel sucks
11:03.06enoufdebian kernels ftw!
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11:03.34mateuszenouf: but its not possible now to get new drm without gem enabled kernel, I am using the one from git special branch
11:03.43enoufcrap, now i can't use my </sarcasm> line
11:04.02enoufmateusz: ok
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11:06.00enoufnocte: echo $PATH
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11:07.09enouf$ which grep
11:07.10enouf/bin/grep
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11:08.08whyzzyrdnocte: strace
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11:08.43noctewhyzzyrd:
11:08.47nocteit works from the CLi
11:08.49nocteCLI
11:08.54noctebut not from my xterm...
11:09.24oOarthurOoHi, I built up a Lenny install from minimal. I've got gnome installed now, and network-manager & network-manager-gnome. Unfortunately, network manager isn't showing my wireless device. I  have to manually configure it by switching to another tty and doing ifdown, iwconfig, then ifup
11:09.51whyzzyrdnocte: nice. strace will alllow you to find the source of the error message. This will help you.
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11:11.42liablewrong version
11:11.50liableechan
11:12.48neoiceso I have a bunch of broken modules, what can I do to fix them?
11:12.53oOarthurOoI think I may have a solution. I'm gonna reboot and see.
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11:13.18neoiceerrors with something like 'wrong format', probably due to the fact that I'm now booting a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel on new hardware
11:13.28neoice(dont ask.)
11:14.25enoufuse debian linux-image-version pkgs
11:14.54whyzzyrdneoice: I feel your pain :)
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11:15.22neoiceif I can just get the tg3 module for the ethernet, I'll be set.
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11:16.28oOarthurOook, I thought installing the firware from the non-free repo might  help, (i'd installed the microcode directly during install), but it didn't.
11:16.44mardii like debian
11:17.46liableoOarthurOo: make sure you read the NM docs
11:17.51enoufoOarthurOo: IINM, netman config settings are stored elsewhere than what the if* and iw* tools use
11:18.07noctewhyzzyrd: how u use strace for that ?
11:18.27whyzzyrdnocte: strace -f "command | command" IIRC
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11:26.07neoicelovely. cant mount a flashdrive. *grabs cd burner*
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11:27.50aatkHey, is there a way to automatically re-generate my sources.list file? I installed without configuring apt properly and consequently only have the 2 security repos in there...
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11:28.29whyzzyrdaatk: erm, simply add the sources to it.
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11:29.07aatkwhyzzyrd: fair game, I was hoping there was a quick way so I didn't have to type them all out :)
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11:29.25whyzzyrdaatk: snarf-n-barf them from another box
11:29.44greggmanhello debian users!
11:29.51war9407overall system speed? - Enabling this option will pass "-Os" instead of "-O2" to gcc  resulting in a smaller kernel.
11:29.52oOarthurOoOk, got it working. I just commented out everything but "lo" in my /etc/network/interfaces file. I noticed on bootup that it was configuring network then starting network manager.
11:30.01war9407erm
11:30.03war9407regarding this option, on x86_64,, does anyone have have benchmarks with this option on vs. off for overall system speed? - Enabling this option will pass "-Os" instead of "-O2" to gcc  resulting in a smaller kernel.
11:30.35whyzzyrdwar9407: don't suppose it'll make a huge difference
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11:30.52greggmanCan you give me an idea on how to make remote proxy site so that I could still browse blocked content if I'm in a restricted network?
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11:37.00oOarthurOoumm... dpgk I mean
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11:47.21neoiceI broke it.
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11:47.51f00li5hneoice: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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11:48.47whyzzyrdabrotman: morning
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11:49.40abrotmanhi
11:50.01whyzzyrdabrotman: a lenny fresh install works, but only because of somebody adding an arbitrary rootfs delay to the default lilo.conf
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11:50.21abrotmanwhyzzyrd: tried the install with grub? or not possible?
11:50.26whyzzyrdabrotman: which is less of a fix, more of a band-aid
11:50.43whyzzyrdabrotman: what would I want to use grub for?
11:51.05abrotmanbecause most of the world left lilo behind a long time ago :)
11:51.14abrotmanfor various reasons
11:51.16whyzzyrdabrotman: That's as may be. Debian still support it.
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11:51.51whyzzyrdabrotman: and, I'm trying to boot linux, not a whole gamut of things, hence a "grand unified boot loader" is not required.
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11:52.31abrotmanwhyzzyrd: it was just a question (to be fair, lilo boots more than linux also)
11:52.56whyzzyrdabrotman: to boot, I've been using lilo since 1995, and I don't see why I ought to change, while lilo is still available.
11:53.10abrotmanbecause lilo hasn't really changed since 1995 :)
11:53.27whyzzyrdabrotman: Nor has the method of booting a computer.
11:53.28abrotmanwhyzzyrd: it was just a thought to eliminate a possibility ..
11:53.39Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Seriously, grub is far less fragile than lilo.
11:53.44abrotmanwhyzzyrd: have you asked in #debian-kernel on OFTC ?
11:53.56abrotmanArafangion: and grub2 has pretty pictures or something!
11:54.06neoicef00li5h: when you're doing things that make baby cthulu cry, power isnt the problem.
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11:54.10Arafangionabrotman: It certainly has that. :)
11:54.17whyzzyrdabrotman: not yet. It appears this is really bug 401916, which was etch release-critical
11:55.08whyzzyrdArafangion: Again, that's as may be. It's not a lilo fault though. Lilo loads the thing just fine. It's what the initrd does after that is the problem.
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11:55.47Arafangionwhyzzyrd: The problem is what happens if the kernel has been moved, renamed, or upgraded.
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11:55.58Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Or heck, the boot partition becomes corrupt.
11:56.39abrotmanholy long bug
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11:58.08neoicedoes anyone happen to know if theres a way to subscribe to a bug at kernel.org? I'm already on the debian bug
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12:01.24abrotmanwhyzzyrd: and you said going from etch->etchnhalf kernel caused the same ?
12:02.21Germanaz0is away (Not Here - No Estoy - Me Fui)
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12:02.31neoicespeaking of etchnhalf, if I just grab the etchnhalf kernel and it eats it, I can just boot .18 again and remove it, right?
12:02.59abrotman!tell Germanaz0|BnC about away
12:03.02Arafangionneoice: If you're using grub, sure. :)
12:03.16abrotmanthat's nt fair .. lilo could too
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12:03.50neoicehmmm... but I really want the lenny packages.... damn .26 kernel
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12:08.11korhojoahurr
12:08.35korhojoawhy does apt-get always want to get new linux-headers linux-sources and linux-image ?
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12:09.19korhojoaif i do apt-get update. i don't want it to be updating the kernel all the time, as i already have a good one, and it's got all the modules built that i need. i don't want to have to rebuild them now
12:10.08abrotmankorhojoa: it's a security patch most likely
12:10.26abrotmankorhojoa: which kernel do you have? and which is it trying to install ?
12:10.47korhojoabut, this will then probably require me to rebuild the modules for vmware networking, etc.
12:10.57abrotmankorhojoa: which kernel do you have? and which is it trying to install ?
12:11.13korhojoawait, i'll check. it should be the -v-k7 version of .18
12:11.14whyzzyrdabrotman: yes, etch to etchnahalf does the same
12:11.29korhojoawhoops, -7-k7*
12:11.32abrotmankorhojoa: then it's a security patch, and you won't have to rebuild your vmware stuff
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12:11.52whyzzyrdArafangion: now, who moves kernels about, and doesn't tell their bootloader?
12:12.00korhojoait's 2.6.18-7-k7
12:12.13abrotmanwhyzzyrd: so it's not really a lenny bug .. it's a kernel issue, correct?
12:12.25whyzzyrdArafangion: if your boot partition is corrupt, you have bigger problems (like whatever caused it to corrupt).
12:12.31Hash9abrotman: it's a bug in initramfs-tools
12:12.35abrotmankorhojoa: does the -7- part match ?
12:12.44korhojoahm. so if i update, will it still autoload the old modules?
12:12.52abrotmanHash9: except the initramfs-tools doesn't change fro etchnhalf
12:13.06Arafangionwhyzzyrd: If you have big problems, why compound them and make them worse problems?
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12:13.23rocketmagnethi, i have troubles with my c implementation on etch
12:13.24Hash9abrotman: no, but the bug could be triggered in etch too
12:13.32rocketmagneti can't get clock_gettime to work
12:13.37rocketmagnetwith #include <time.h>
12:13.45whyzzyrdArafangion: if your boot partition is regularly corrupting, you have the worse problems already.
12:13.46Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Additionally, there is a such thing as human error and bugs.
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12:13.47Hash9abrotman: it just depends what hardware you have and where your boot device is
12:13.59korhojoano, it's actually -6- ??
12:13.59abrotmankorhojoa: if the system is requesting to update from 2.6.18-6-686 to the "same" then it's the same kernel ABI .. if it wants to increment to 2.6.18-7-686, then you would have to reinstall third party modules, *but* if you don't, you're likely ignoring a security fix (and probably a serious one)
12:14.01Arafangionwhyzzyrd: I never said anything about regular corruptions.
12:14.17mhymn!tell oOarthurOo about your factoids
12:14.40whyzzyrdArafangion: Human error isn't something to do with the boot loader.
12:14.42korhojoait would be going from -7- to -6-
12:14.48whyzzyrdArafangion: and fixing it is trivial anyway.
12:14.53oOarthurOothanks mhymn
12:15.05Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Is there a purpose of this argument?
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12:15.24abrotmankorhojoa: check the DSAs .. it may be a security issue .. but i wouldn't ignore it
12:15.30whyzzyrdArafangion: not really, apart from the point that I don't see a single reason to move from lilo, while it's still supported.
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12:15.58korhojoaabrotman: i'll do that when i get home. ircing from phone over ssh
12:16.19abrotmangood plan .. though you could --download-only it now
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12:16.38korhojoajust don't understand why they would be going for a 'older' version
12:16.42whyzzyrdArafangion: and ok, grub might allow you to fix cock-ups more easily, but then, one tries to avoid cockups.
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12:17.46Arafangionwhyzzyrd: After a fashion, you could say that there's no point in choosing Subversion if you're using CVS.
12:17.51whyzzyrdabrotman: the problem I see is that the "fix" they've applied to the lenny install is to introduce a 10 second delay. That's pretty dependent on the thing appearing within 10 seconds :)
12:18.06abrotmanwhyzzyrd: i realize that
12:18.13whyzzyrdArafangion: that may well be the case, if CVS covers all your requirements.
12:18.22whyzzyrdArafangion: and it's still supported :)
12:18.31abrotmanWyzard: and one of the comments alludes to that .. especially about usb
12:18.40whyzzyrdabrotman: indeed
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12:19.34Arafangionwhyzzyrd: There is no good reason to use CVS.
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12:20.14abrotmanArafangion: but there are reasons to not make it more complicated than rcs :)
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12:20.37Arafangionabrotman: From a client perspective, SVN's a drop-in replacement.
12:20.56abrotmannot from the server .. but oh well
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12:21.06whyzzyrdArafangion: I can see good reasons for you maintaining a CVS server, if you've got code in it, and continuing to do so until it's not supportable.
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12:21.43Arafangionwhyzzyrd: CVS has a horrible record for *server side* corruption.
12:22.13abrotmanlosing focus here :)
12:22.21Hash9indeed
12:22.41whyzzyrdis good at losing focus
12:22.46Arafangionabrotman: whyzzyrd could always stop arguing with me. :)
12:22.59abrotmanArafangion: you should know better! :)
12:23.00Hash9Arafangion: he won't do that
12:23.09martian67well, if you want to look at alternatives, consider git, its a very different way of doing things, but IMO is it greatly superior
12:23.20martian67and it has full support for importing a cvs repo
12:23.22Arafangionmartian67: git is damn interesting.
12:23.38Arafangionmartian67: Got some grief with it at the moment on windows, but damn interesting regardless.
12:23.46martian67yes, i like how it focuses on branches
12:23.55martian67rather than making them a pain the the butt
12:23.56whyzzyrdnow we're really losing focus :)
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12:24.01martian67>_>
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12:24.51Arafangionmartian67: My grief is that git-p4 doesn't /quite/ work (Had to modify it, actually, to even checkout properly), plus windows being a case insensitive filesystem...
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12:25.23martian67Arafangion yea :/
12:25.34martian67its definately unix focused
12:25.52PiousMinionHow do I find out if a certain package is frozen?
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12:26.08Arafangionmartian67: Currently checking it out on an Ubuntu VM at work, hopefully it worked, will find out on monday.
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12:26.50abrotmanPiousMinion: lenny as a whole is frozen, if a package is trying to go in, it gets RM approval
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12:27.07PiousMinionabrotman: thanks
12:27.28abrotmanPiousMinion: did you find a serious bug?
12:27.50Arafangionmartian67: When a directory changes case on windows, git thinks that it's not added, but adding it doesn't work - paradoxically, it's child files are already added, which is rather confusing. :)
12:28.21martian67hehehe
12:28.28martian67idk, i dont use it on windows ;)
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12:28.37Arafangionmartian67: I'm a Delphi programmer.
12:28.42PiousMinionabrotman: no, I just wasn't sure what all was frozen.  newer mono is what I'm after. :)
12:28.54abrotman!lenny status
12:28.54dpkgToolchain: frozen.  Libs: frozen.  Everything else: frozen.  Now, it's serious bug squashing time.  When will lenny release?  Sooner if you help.  See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help.  See also <rc-alert>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html
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12:31.00PiousMinion:)
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12:34.07whyzzyrdabrotman: it appears the kernel folks are still asleep :)
12:34.27abrotmanwhyzzyrd: you'd probably do better to ask a more specific question
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12:36.06abrotmanwhyzzyrd: your bug report is lacking details .. so you either want to give more details in that channel or in your bug report
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12:43.56whyzzyrdabrotman: was that better phrased?
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12:45.33abrotmanwhyzzyrd: yep ... great until your vpn dropped out :)
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12:47.57abrotmanwhyzzyrd: answer received! :)
12:47.59whyzzyrdabrotman: aye
12:48.20abrotmanor .. answer-ish  anyways
12:49.14whyzzyrdthat's not an answer :)
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12:52.04pizgood morning. Just a short question. For a core 2 duo (with intel chipset) should i use i386 or amd64?
12:52.08tagx_is it possible to run a dom0 with lenny?
12:52.20Arafangionpiz: Is the core 2 duo an amd cpu? :)
12:52.26tagx_(xen)
12:52.31tagx_piz: you can use either one
12:52.46Arafangiontagx_: Serious?
12:53.03piztagx_: i know i can. But is there a recommendation?
12:53.17pizis the i386 using the 64 bit system?
12:53.25whyzzyrdpiz: depends on your requirements
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12:53.39tagx_tagx_: ?
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12:54.12pizwhyzzyrd: why? is there a doc which explains the differences?
12:54.14tagx_Arafangion: ?
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12:54.33Arafangiontagx_: I'm surprised to hear that the amd64 kernel should work on core 2 duo.
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12:54.53XTZGZoReXHow do I set my keyboard layout?
12:55.16tagx_Arafangion: it will work, amd64 is just amd because amd made the 64bit interface first
12:55.22betzHi, i need to cat /proc/usb/devices, but i get 'no such file or directory'. What to do?
12:55.42tagx_piz: as long as you are not planning on using any propriety things, amd64 is the way to go
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12:56.14tagx_piz: it might be a little trickier to use flash though since it is only 32bit, but other than that go 64bit
12:56.14whyzzyrdtagx_: it used to be called "pure64" in debian land :)
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12:56.32tagx_whyzzyrd: that probably refers to non-multilib
12:56.34piztagx_: well, i am using Matlab and Bibble. Although matlab no more, but bibble yes
12:56.40Arafangiontagx_: Flash 10 might be available in 64-bits.
12:56.45whyzzyrdtagx_: this was a long, long time ago.
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12:58.00abrotmanArafangion: amd64 is the debian term for x86_64
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12:58.09tagx_does debian install a multilib system?
12:58.19Arafangionabrotman: Ahh, now that makes sense.
12:58.22abrotman!multiarch
12:58.22dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem
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12:58.34whyzzyrdabrotman: I see I can't get any sort of sensible discussion from the kernel guys :)
12:58.59abrotmanwhyzzyrd: that channel is not as active, but they are more knowledgeable (i hope)
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12:59.39whyzzyrdabrotman: I certainly hope so too :)
12:59.47tagx_piz: to run bibble on 64bit you would need to use the multiarch stuff
13:00.20pizi thinkn i try with 32 bit first
13:00.50pizit is a big difference regarding performance etc with a 32 bit system on 64 bit?
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13:01.01gonzaloaf_laptophi, how can I make that kde apps use the same trash that gnome apps?
13:01.42abrotmanpiz: for a desktop, not really
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13:02.34XTZGZoReXWhat's the command to set my keyboard layout in the console?
13:02.44tagx_is there a dom0 kernel in lenny?
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13:04.09abrotmantagx_: wiki.debian.org/Xen .. i think
13:04.16abrotman!tell XTZGZoReX about keymap
13:04.23XTZGZoReXOuch.
13:04.32XTZGZoReXHighlight + PM + whois at the same time :P
13:04.42mhymngonzaloaf_laptop: they both use '~/.local/share/Trash/files' as trash AFAIK
13:04.46XTZGZoReXThanks though :)
13:05.00gonzaloaf_laptopmhymn, really?
13:05.13mhymnyup and as far as i know!
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13:08.28stanlin8-)
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13:10.26boon12345hi! since yestoday i have big trouble with my favorite game - ET-wolfenstein -  paste ---> http://rafb.net/p/oDz6vI83.html  . i maked game neuinstall and Nvidia-driver reuinstall.  but this not help... ;(
13:10.29pizgreat, 82567 onboard network (intel) is not detected
13:11.06whyzzyrdpiz: that a lenny install?
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13:12.26poe-thi there!
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13:12.49pizwhyzzyrd: yes, netinstall cd image
13:12.50poe-thave anyone noticed xl2tpd hogs cpu?
13:13.02poe-tin lenny
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13:13.49whyzzyrdpiz: tried the daily?
13:14.25pizno, i will now
13:14.39mhymnsomeone really needs to be kicked right now
13:14.48whyzzyrdyou'll need it to get the kernel modules to work, anyhow
13:15.06whyzzyrdas I discoverified this morning
13:15.35stanlinmjgtidhr
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13:15.57PiousMinionstanlin: Are you here solely to be a tard?
13:16.21mhymnabrotman: stanlin needs your help
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13:17.50abrotmanmhymn: stanlin comes here often, and should know better
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13:18.24whyzzyrdabrotman: perchance his cat's on the keyboard
13:18.31BrixSathello i need some help
13:18.34whyzzyrdabrotman: happens to me from time to time :)
13:18.34abrotmanit's possible
13:18.35PiousMinioncat + keyboard don't mix. Ask freakazoid.
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13:18.45abrotmanBrixSat: just ask
13:18.49BrixSatmy debian netinstall stops on 33% on partition formating
13:19.04whyzzyrdBrixSat: alt-f4, and look at the error
13:19.04BrixSativ tried 3 drives and all the same :S
13:19.09betzAnybody? I need to do make all, but i get command not found. But there is a Makefile in the folder i am cuurently in. Is this different in debian?
13:19.13ArafangionPiousMinion: Once I had a cat that was on heat, didn't realise that they shouldn't be allowed in the *HOUSE* with a computer.
13:19.16tagx_if i want to runny a lenny domU, will i have to use a lenny hypervisor, or will the etch one work?
13:19.22ArafangionSomehow ripped all the keys off.
13:19.30abrotman!b-e betz
13:19.30dpkgbetz: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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13:19.41PiousMinionArafangion: lol
13:19.48poe-tBrixSat, check md5sum on your install CD?
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13:20.00whyzzyrdArafangion: my problem tends to be that the keyboard is warm, being a laptop :)
13:20.03ArafangionPiousMinion: Got fixed pretty quickly. ;)
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13:20.18Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Metal handrest?
13:20.32whyzzyrdArafangion: might work :)
13:20.50Arafangionwhyzzyrd: Well, it would tend to direct the heat up, rather than down.
13:20.53Hash9tagx_: you should be able to run a lenny domU with an etch hyperviser, since that's the recomendation
13:21.04BrixSatkernel code 89 f0 e8.........................c0 00 EIP [<c01370c5>]__Set_page_dirty_nobuffers+0xf/7 ss:ESP 0068:d32f7d94
13:21.08PiousMinionAll the keys on my old keyboard are completely scrambled. Scrambled it to train myself not to look at the keys while typing.
13:21.23BrixSatpoe-t: how can i check the md5 on the cd?
13:21.29whyzzyrdBrixSat: get a copy of memtest86+ :)
13:21.42BrixSatis the problem memory?
13:21.57BrixSatwhyzzyrd: is it memory?
13:22.06whyzzyrdBrixSat: from your description, it could well be
13:22.16poe-tBrixSat, my idea is you check if the image you burnt is ok
13:22.30BrixSatpoe-t: how?
13:22.37BrixSatwhyzzyrd:  i will switch
13:22.53whyzzyrdBrixSat: you could test, with memtest :)
13:23.11boon12345how i can make stabylity test ???
13:23.22BrixSatwhyzzyrd: how i dont have a distro on the machine?
13:23.22poe-tBrixSat, md5sum /dev/cdrom or something, maybe you need to use dd to create cdrom.iso first
13:23.32whyzzyrdBrixSat: memtest86+ is bootable
13:23.37tagx_Hash9:  "But you can use the etch linux-image package in your lenny dom0 system. Specifically, the etch hypervisor won't run the lenny kernel. " what does the last part mean?
13:23.53BrixSatpoe-t: i dont have linux runing :( i intent to install it
13:24.41poe-tBrixSat, you musta burnt the disk with something windowish.. right? the application should calculate md5sum (k3b does)
13:24.53Hash9tagx_: the lenny kernel doesn't support running as dom0 you have to use the etch kernel, it may be possible to use the lenny hyperviser, you'd nead to test
13:24.56poe-tcheck that sum with the one on the site
13:25.53BrixSatpoe-t:  nero :p
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13:28.41ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now?
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13:29.03zeldhi
13:29.13zeldi've a prolem with mgltools installation pack
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13:29.36poe-tBrixSat, does it calculate the d5sum for isos?
13:30.03BrixSati think not
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13:30.25zwerghu
13:30.41zwergHi there.
13:30.44zeldthis is my error >>> http://rafb.net/p/hWls5F60.html
13:30.48zeldthnx a lot
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13:32.26techousewhere ar the passwords of the users kept in debian? a friend of mine forgot his password and can't change it :( whenever i try to login as him from root it pexits me :/
13:32.45zwergFrom time to time pixmaps (icons, images, buttons) get crippled in X.  If such an image appears twice, the duplicate looks the same.  Running SID but this problem has been there for long.  It's an intel chip.
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13:33.51ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now?
13:34.18ManDayAssuming that there really is no compatible driver bundled with debian, is there a way to bring it over through PXE?
13:34.58tagx_techouse: as root run passwd friendsusername
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13:35.23techousetagx_: oh... i was afraid to do that
13:35.33techousei thought it would change the root pass
13:35.36techousethanx
13:35.38techouse:)
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13:35.44mhymnabrotman: stanlin again
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13:35.57zwergAny idea what to do about the graphics problem?
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13:38.01abrotmanstanlin: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
13:38.02techousewut's up with stalin?
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13:38.55Lagboltanyone have any experience with hot swapping esata drives in debian? is it a good idea? or no? i am using a pci card with esata ports and a usb enclosure with esata connector
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13:39.50neoiceLagbolt: isnt esata a hot-swappable connector?
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13:40.13ArafangionIsn't the e in esata ethernet?
13:40.15neoicemy only experience with hotswapping is SCSI and I think I screwed up and didnt reseat it properly :P
13:40.21neoiceexternal I believe
13:40.27neoiceiSCSI is the cool one
13:40.28Lagboltneoice, thats what i thought but read some differences of oppinion online
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13:40.45LagboltArafangion, e = external
13:40.45d-bat least spin the disk down before you pull it.
13:40.53neoiceLagbolt: I mean, if you unmount it, it should be fine
13:41.13Lagboltwell here goes nothing lol
13:41.14neoicethats all that matters
13:41.16ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now?
13:41.18ManDayAssuming that there really is no compatible driver bundled with debian, is there a way to bring it over through PXE?
13:41.21pizwhyzzyrd: the daily seems to work
13:41.23Arafangionneoice: I see that you're no scientist, then, otherwise you'd have purchased another, and repeated it. :)
13:41.29BrixSharemd5 is correct!
13:41.31neoiceyou could pull the data cable out of an IDE drive and it would be fine
13:41.40neoicearafangion: I had a stack of spares :P
13:41.41techousebye
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13:41.56neoiceI said "oh well, this drive was given to me as 'bad', so lets zero one of the extras"
13:42.05neoiceand then I put it in later and it worked again :D
13:42.08neoiceand I felt stupid.
13:43.01neoicebtw, the buntu -generic kernels are 32/64 bit?
13:43.15Arafangionneoice: 32, I believe, ask #ubuntu. ;)
13:43.24neoicetoo much noise in there
13:43.25octox2is ther a way to force swap back into ram whent he ram is freed ?
13:43.32neoiceI dont dont really care
13:43.46octox2I have 2 gig ram free and 500 meg swap stuck ?
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13:43.59neoiceoctox2: what do you mean stuck?
13:44.07neoiceyou can choose to not have a swap partition
13:44.21octox2well, it is currently used, but I have 2 gig of ra free right now
13:44.34octox2shouldnt it move it all back to ram ?
13:44.50neoicenot if nothing needs it
13:45.15Akuwis there any tool to encrypt a maail before it get out ?
13:45.24neoicegpg ?
13:45.53octox2it feels like the OS is slower now that stuff is inthere, but it seems that it isnt stuff the OS needs anymore? lol
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13:46.06neoicefeels like or qualitatively has been tested to be?
13:46.32ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now?
13:46.33ManDayAssuming that there really is no compatible driver bundled with debian, is there a way to bring it over through PXE?
13:46.33octox2yes
13:46.45octox2it is slower
13:47.04Arafangionoctox2: Then don't use swap if you're so concerned.
13:47.11Akuwit says there is not public key
13:47.13neoicelets see if I can make my monstrosity live.
13:47.17assasukassehello, i am looking for a nice podcast aggregator (also light but not cli) any hints?
13:47.22neoiceakuw: did you set one up?
13:47.35octox2what would happen if your heap ran out ? freeze up ?
13:47.36neoicewiki "public-private key cryptography"
13:47.49Akuwhow?
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13:47.58neoiceoctox2: thats when you'd start paging I believe
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13:48.22octox2right, but if I disable swap, that would not be good if I need it lol
13:48.27octox2I need more ram I think
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13:48.37neoiceakuw: I've never done it before, but you should probably read about public key cryptography so you know what you're getting into
13:48.49neoicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
13:49.03Akuwi better send a encrypted attachment
13:49.09Akuwusing twofish
13:49.21neoiceas long as you can exchange keys somehow
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13:50.36neoiceakuw: if both sides are using SSL connections, you're probably fine
13:50.36zizzfizzixhi guys, do you know how to edit deb package?
13:50.36neoiceSSL or bust.
13:51.00Arafangionneoice: With a certified chain of trust.
13:51.05tagx_what is the best way to run an etch kernel on lenny?
13:51.45__faceI need help building ffmpeg from source with mpeg2 encoder support. Any takers? :-)
13:52.16ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now?
13:52.16ManDayAssuming that there really is no compatible driver bundled with debian, is there a way to bring it over through PXE?
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13:52.55neoiceso I took a drive from a 32bit system and put it in a 64bit one. how can I boot a 64bit kernel? it _FREAKS_ about the modules and most of my hardware stops working.
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13:56.12BrixSaatgrrrrrrr
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13:56.22BrixSaatthis is making me angry
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13:56.53ManDayI ran the debian netbook pxe kernel but I cannot find my network card in the list of ethernet cards, what now? Assuming that there really is no compatible driver bundled with debian, is there a way to bring it over through PXE?
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13:58.22abrotmanBrixSaat: which version of debian are you trying to install ?
13:58.42BrixSaatnetinstall
13:58.54BrixSaattha last one 386
13:59.00abrotmanetch? lenny?
13:59.04BrixSaat386 arq.
13:59.34abrotmanetch? lenny?
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14:01.13abrotmanBrixSaat: etch or lenny?
14:01.30oOarthurOoOn gnome, Lenny, when I add a quit button to my panel there is no option to logout. And when I add a logout button to my panel there is no option to quit, suspend, restart. Is it possible to merge these things into one box, so when I click the quit button I can logout, or suspend, or restart, or shutdown, or lock
14:02.01BrixSaati dont know :S
14:02.19BrixSaatabrotman http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/
14:02.32abrotmanBrixSaat: have you tried etchnhalf ? burn the iso at 2x
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14:03.43BrixSaatthe iso was burn at 1x
14:04.00BrixSaatand what is etchnalf?
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14:06.00EmleyMoorBrixsaat: Stable but with a newer kernel
14:06.20BrixSaataint the one i selected stable?
14:06.41EmleyMoorYes
14:07.05oOarthurOoI think this is what I'm looking for http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-panel/branches/gnome-2-22/gnome-panel/panel-logout.c?view=markup
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14:08.06EmleyMoorHowever, if some of your hardware isn't supported, you may find that the newer kernel helps
14:08.15EmleyMoorHowever, if some of your hardware isn't supported, you may find that the newer kernel helps
14:08.19EmleyMoorOops
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14:09.20abrotman!etchnhalf
14:09.20dpkg"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware.  It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer.  Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf  Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf  See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts>
14:09.56BrixSaatthis machine is a p3 1ghz so it should work fine :p
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14:10.23EmleyMoorWhat processor it is is irrelevant
14:10.47BrixSaatthe same :S Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 IDE1 Slave (hdb)...
14:10.57BrixSaatstoped on 33% GGGGRRRRRRRRRR
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14:17.25BrixSatdebian should ofer a package of aspirines for the headakes this gives :p
14:17.52liableEmleyMoor: not really, if its a p3 you can pretty much gaurentee whatever hardware it has is supported
14:17.57abrotmanBrixSat: is this for a desktop or server?
14:18.07BrixSatabrotman server
14:18.23abrotmanBrixSat: try the etchnhalf netinst also
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14:18.33BrixSatbut where?
14:18.44BrixSatwhere can i download
14:18.49liablei dont see why that would help
14:18.53abrotmanhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso
14:18.54RhizomeBrix: Raid?
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14:19.19BrixSatp3 1ghz 512mb of ram 20gb of disk
14:19.29BrixSatraid? i wish :p
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14:19.49oOarthurOoI was just chatting with some Ubuntu guys in offtopic, and they have "logout suspend restart shutdown" all in one quit dialog box.
14:19.50liablethough that error you showed before is an oops
14:19.54oOarthurOoSo I know it's possible.
14:20.17Rhizomeoh, just seems like every server i install takes forever to create the fs, hanging at 33% but it always completes if i wait long enough
14:21.00BrixSatwhile downloading ill try once more this one
14:22.04BrixSatdoes net install need an active internet connection?
14:22.08abrotmanno
14:22.19abrotmanbizcard does .. netinst does not
14:22.27BrixSat:) i have it anyway
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14:27.33RoXaZerwhen im connecting through SSH i get this message "Warning: Identity file roxazer not accessible: No such file or directory.", how to solve this?
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14:28.14liablewith ssh? or putty or something?
14:28.43liablewinscp?
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14:29.43RoXaZerliable: with "ssh host.com" commant
14:29.46RoXaZercommand
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14:30.27danilomis there a way to view ho much data in mb is in there in any directory in my home for example
14:30.34liableRoXaZer: ok. no idea, never seen it before
14:30.36RoXaZerdu -hs
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14:31.34hanibanadanilom, du -sh *
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14:31.49bandie91hi all
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14:31.55danilomthanks
14:32.33bandie91help, i wish to create a bootable live cd based on debian, with specific packages
14:32.47bandie91is there any livecd creator?
14:32.50danilomhanibana, dont show me thew .directori
14:32.52abrotman!tell bandie91 about cdd
14:32.54abrotman!tell bandie91 about bootcd
14:33.04abrotmanbandie91: apt-cache show bootcd
14:33.05liablebandie91: see debian-live also
14:33.21bandie91thx
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14:33.50abrotmanenouf: see backlog here about lilo insanity :)
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14:34.20enoufabrotman: bah - es no my yob!
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14:35.41Hash9danilom: du -sh <directoryname>
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14:40.19boltwhat's a good way of allowing apache to get to users' public_html directories while not allowing them to see eachothers public_html while logged in with ssh?
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14:42.50Hash9bolt: either using selinux permissions, or by using apache2-mpm-itk
14:43.38boltHash9: cool!
14:44.44Hash9bolt: not sure how well the latter will work, it depends on your config
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14:47.36NinjaMandoes anyone here use resolvconf and have bind9 DNS serving a local domain?
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14:49.07NinjaManif so is anyone interested in having an updated resolvconf that updates forwarders in a specific zone as opposed to globally?
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14:52.26BrixSatit stoped on the same exact part :S
14:53.29bandie91with cdd can i create only  install cds?
14:53.29bandie91live cds not?
14:54.28stanlinis there any program to store the ROOT password?? everytime i want to add a user or add a package i need to log as su or root, its quite annoying
14:54.40liableBrixSat: with the same kernel messages?
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14:54.52BrixSati dont know i used the graphical
14:54.56BrixSatim going to text
14:55.03liableBrixSat: look in vt4 again
14:55.20BrixSati could not look on v4
14:55.25BrixSat*vt4
14:55.31liableBrixSat: from what you posted before it looks like a kernel bug.
14:55.44BrixSatit seems so
14:56.26liableBrixSat: save that dmesg output to a usb key or something and file a bug against the installer.
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14:56.55BrixSatto a usb key how?
14:57.13Hash9stanlin: configure su or sudo to allow you to become root without a password
14:57.52BrixSatagain it stoped on 33% this is not hapening to me :( :( :( :(
14:58.13BrixSathow can i report a bug?
14:58.27stanlinHash9: thanks, but how?
14:58.40liableBrixSat: with reportbug package
14:58.42Hash9stanlin: which do you use, sudo or su?
14:59.26BrixSatliable .... you are the expert im just the stupid one here.... try to use some simplier language :p how can i do that?
14:59.51liableBrixSat: you can save dmesg by directing dmesg output to a file and saving it on whatever media you are comfortable with
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15:00.51BrixSatim going back to centos :S
15:01.10liableBrixSat: plug a usb key in, make a mountpoint (mkdir foo), mount it (mount /dev/sdb /mnt/foo) then copy (dmesg > /mnt/foo/dmesg.txt))
15:02.27BrixSat;)
15:02.54oOarthurOoI've been told by a fellow over at #gnome that what I'm trying to do requires patching the gnome-session and gnome-panel apps. One option is apparently to install the ubutu versions of these apps on my lenny system. How risky / much of bad idea would this be to try?
15:03.34liableoOarthurOo: its a pretty bad idea
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15:10.57dpkgrumour has it, mailman is an excellent Python-based mailing list manager.  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
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15:35.04abrotmanchelent: something like usplash
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15:38.09chelentabrotman: yeah I see persistant console was planned, but deferred for splashy ... I will look at usplash now
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15:52.18SmerdyakovAnyone know how I can get ahold of a --prefix argument in a configure script (with code in configure.ac)?
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15:53.38Scotchyhello there
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15:55.31Lagboltdo you have libx264 >= .65
15:55.40Lagboltprob not if it is saying you dont
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15:55.51Scotchywhere can I get it ?
15:56.10ScotchyI am getting libx264 from deb-multimedia and it probably isn't updated
15:56.25ScotchyI guess I have to compile it from source also
15:56.28Lagboltthe lib or the lib-dev
15:56.36Lagboltwhy are you not using packages?
15:56.52ScotchyI am using apt-get install libx264-dev
15:56.59Lagbolti mean for ffmpeg
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15:57.28Scotchycause I have to convert to FLVs and from the default repository there isn't support for mp3
15:58.02Lagboltreally?  i can make flv's i think i can do mp3 as well
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15:58.30Scotchywhen trying to convert e.g. avi to flv the sound goes away
15:58.42Lagbolthmmm
16:00.23Lagbolthmmm i do ffmpeg -i a.avi -ar 44100 a.flv and it works for me :)
16:00.41d-bget your speakers on ^^
16:00.49Scotchyreally?
16:00.52Lagboltd-b, nice lol
16:00.54Scotchyit really doesn't work for meh·\
16:01.00Lagboltscoopex, yea it works
16:01.20Insolitis it a bad idea to make the swap partition the first partition in a hard drive?
16:01.25Lagbolt<PROTECTED>
16:01.32Insolitor it makes no difference at all?
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16:02.06ScotchyLagbolt: what if you do ffmpeg -i a.avi -ar 44100 -f flv a.flv ?
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16:02.31Lagbolti get audio :)
16:03.11LagboltScotchy, i will pastebin all my packages you might want to see versions for :)
16:03.28Scotchythanks
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16:04.36LagboltScotchy, http://pastebin.com/m6bfa1486  <- i think this is most of related
16:05.35LagboltScotchy, i am running lenny but using unstable deb-multi
16:06.17ScotchyI am getting 20070329-0.0etch1
16:06.24Scotchyand am btw running etch
16:06.30Scotchythis could be the reason
16:07.08Lagboltcould be
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16:08.16Scotchythis is it
16:08.32Scotchythere is no 2008 package for etch
16:10.03meeerois there a way to enable antialiasing in xorg.conf for nvidia-driver by default?
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16:10.16meeeroeverytime i launch nvidia-settings it tells me, that AA is disabled - which is true
16:11.30whyzzyrdScotchy: backports?
16:11.42Scotchydon't know what that means lol
16:11.43Insolitwhat's the command to check if a drive has errors?
16:11.48Insolithard-drive
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16:11.57Scotchybtw ffmpeg compiled without libx264 is working, with sound. but I would like x264 support
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16:12.18Lagbolt!tell Scotchy about backports
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16:13.04LagboltInsolit, is it your root drive? what filesystem is it?
16:13.29InsolitLagbolt: it's a spare drive i have here, i'd just like to check if it's ok before using it
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16:14.43LagboltInsolit, well you can use various tools depending onthe file system.  or if the drive supports SMART you can use smartmontools to check out some hardware info
16:15.18Insolitok lagbolt thanks!
16:17.57Scotchyno results for ffmpeg in etch backports :\
16:18.18d-btry debian multimedia
16:18.25d-bor built it your self.;)
16:18.28Scotchyalready have that version
16:18.31Scotchyit's the 2007xxx
16:18.35Scotchyand doesn't work
16:18.38ScotchyI just build myself
16:18.41LagboltScotchy, you could upgrade to lenny :)
16:18.42ScotchyIt works
16:18.50Scotchybut I am not getting libx264
16:18.52d-bit should work. works for me on etch.
16:18.57Scotchyit tells me I need libx264 >= 0.65
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16:19.02Scotchybut I can't find it
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16:20.16ScotchyLagbolt : The server is a dedicated one and the provider doesn't provide lenny :\
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16:22.01liableyou cant upgrade a dedicated server yourself?
16:22.17whyzzyrdliable: not if you want them to support it for you :)
16:22.31Scotchyexactly -_-
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16:22.47liablewhyzzyrd: you mean they actually provide support for etch bugs?
16:23.01FreakGuardhow to tell my machine to sync with the timeserver at startup after eth0 is up?
16:23.12whyzzyrdliable: no, but they unb0rk your fsckups
16:23.29whyzzyrdFreakGuard: keep it in sync constantly, or just once, at startup?
16:24.04liablewhyzzyrd: if its a dedicated server, they are paid hands.. no matter the version of debian
16:24.06FreakGuardwhyzzyrd, constantly doesn't to anything bad - the problem is that it's an ALIX and those don't have hardware clocks
16:24.08liable!set the time
16:24.08dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set.  The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers.  You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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16:24.51whyzzyrdFreakGuard: I se4e
16:24.59whyzzyrdor I would if I could type on this
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16:26.42Scotchyliable: for example if I have any kind of problem (even non-os-related) and tell it to the support, they will actually tell me that lenny isn't stable and that this is the problem and just say: we don't provide support for lenny blahblahblah.
16:27.01FreakGuardScotchy, that's why I use arch :D
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16:28.43whyzzyrdFreakGuard: your dedicated server supplier support arch then?
16:29.55liableScotchy: i dont understand. if its a dedicated server, you shouldnt need to ask them to do anything but reboot it if you have really fucked it up
16:30.05liableScotchy: unless its a hardware problem
16:30.24liableScotchy: and if thats the case, i would considor another providor
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16:32.24whyzzyrdliable: I suspect they'll be "paid hands and feet" but fix your "uuhuh, I put linuxx in the grub config, not linux.. "
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16:34.11liablewhyzzyrd: not sure i get what you mean
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16:34.44whyzzyrdliable: You can get "more support" if you're running something they understand.
16:34.45enoufwhy do i smell troll meat today? hrm...
16:35.03enoufin more than one channel too ...
16:35.25Scotchyliable: well for example last time I used a non-supported OS the reverse wasn't working. I told the provider about that and they didn't fix anything telling me about my distro. I changed it and it still wasn't working. they fixed it. I changed back, and it was working.
16:35.27liablewhyzzyrd: and etch is more understandable than lenny? no, they are paid hands to just get it to boot
16:35.50whyzzyrdliable: I don't dispute that etch and lenny are very similar
16:35.56FreakGuardhow to check witch process is listening on a port?
16:36.01liableScotchy: dedicated means its your responsibility..
16:36.06FreakGuardehh which :)
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16:36.22Scotchyliable: the reverse is actually router-side and I have no power on it.
16:36.54whyzzyrdliable: it depends on what level of support one has purchased. They probably don't want to go out and fix bleeding-edge whatever that someone's put on their machine
16:37.46whyzzyrdFreakGuard: lsof
16:37.50liableScotchy: yes, reverse dns is. if your hosting company does shit like that, then you obviously need to change to one that know what they are doing
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16:38.32whyzzyrdScotchy: he's right. You need to find a more clueful hosting company
16:38.41FreakGuardwhyzzyrd, what to grep for?
16:39.05Scotchyliable: I for sure do need to find an other hosting company. But other companies are real expensive :\
16:39.13enoufthe trolls are being trolled? how lovely ;-P
16:39.15whyzzyrdFreakGuard: man lsof
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16:41.09d-benouf: i know.
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16:41.37Scotchyanyways, anyone knows where to find libx264-dev >= 0.65 for etch ? :\
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16:42.03Cosmo`hi guys, i was hoping you guys might be able to help me, i'm currently trying to build the python bindings for libtorrent
16:42.08Cosmo`this is on Debian Etch
16:42.16Cosmo`and i seem to be getting problems with the linker and some elements of glibc
16:42.46enoufd-b: maybe he should use ajax and java to help :-p
16:42.50Cosmo`it happily compiles all elements of the libtorrent.so file, but won't link due to ...
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16:42.59Cosmo`this line ... /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbeginT.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__deregister_frame_info' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
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16:44.54d-bmmm - dreamhost or linode for debian hosting - anyone got an opinion on this - vps ?.... or another company. i want something stable.
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16:45.21WyzardCosmo`: You need -fPIC in your CFLAGS, as it says
16:45.36Cosmo`although surely those elements of libc come prebuilt
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16:45.53Cosmo`i wouldn't know how to rebuild glibc using the new CFLAGS
16:46.07WyzardCosmo`: your program, not glibc
16:46.24Cosmo`hmm, well this is not my program
16:46.29Cosmo`this is just me trying to build libtorrent
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16:46.38Cosmo`and it does actually use -fPIC for all of it's object files
16:46.55WyzardIs -fPIC on the linker command line too?
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16:47.18Cosmo`no, but can that be passed as a command to the linker?
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16:48.05WyzardThat crtbeginT.o is the machine code for the entry point, I believe -- the place where a program starts running, that sets up stacks and such and invokes your main()
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16:48.29WyzardThe linker includes it automatically when you build a program, but I'm surprised to see it included when building a library
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16:49.02Wyzardbut I *think* -fPIC is a valid linker option, to tell the linker that it should be creating a position-independent executable or library
16:49.11Cosmo`i must say at this point that the build tool used for this libtorrent python libraries unfortunately isn't gnu make
16:49.13Cosmo`it's using bjam
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16:49.23helluesgaleon is silly browser
16:49.43enouflife is full of foolishness
16:49.53Cosmo`i just can't understand why the linker is bleating so constantly
16:49.58Wyzardhellues: galeon is the predecessor to epiphany...  is it actually still maintained?
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16:50.23WyzardCosmo`: My understanding is that shared libraries have to be both compiled and linked with -fpic or -fPIC
16:50.38Cosmo`hmm ... let me try something
16:50.42helluesyeah
16:50.46helluesi open a galeon
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16:50.56helluesthan sixteen galeon open unexpectively
16:51.13enoufsounds like spyware :-p
16:51.17dudemanhuh
16:51.20whyzzyrdlol
16:51.20dudemanyou're a spyware
16:51.32helluesno
16:51.34dudemanopened*
16:51.36d-bbug ?
16:51.38dudemanunexpectedly.
16:51.43helluesis there a spyware in debian
16:51.50dudemanhellues, you're spyware in debian
16:51.54Wyzardhellues: According to http://galeon.sourceforge.net/ the last release of galeon was over two years ago
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16:51.57helluesi thought it is a bug
16:52.00dudemanyou're a bug!
16:52.03dudemanok bye
16:52.03enoufhere - read this "20,000 reasons of why to never install SP2" http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-53281.html hahaha
16:52.10d-bget a backtrace.
16:52.21helluesDuddle,
16:52.25helluessorry
16:52.28Cosmo`ok Wyzard, even when manually adding -fPIC to the linking call
16:52.31Wyzardhellues: looks to me like it's a dead project
16:52.32Cosmo`it's giving the same error
16:52.35helluesdudeman,  can i check spyware in debian
16:52.42d-bhellues: what kind ?
16:52.43dudemanthere is no spyware in debian
16:52.46dudemanNONE
16:52.49helluesi dont know
16:52.52dudemani know
16:52.54dudemantake my word for it
16:52.54Duddlethat's the third time this week, somebody highlighted me instead of dudeman -_-
16:52.56hellueslet say all kind :D
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16:53.04helluesWyzard,
16:53.05dudemanDuddle, I never hilighted you
16:53.07d-bhellues: dpkg -l |grep spyware
16:53.07helluesi have a question
16:53.10dudemanDuddle, I have logs as I'm sure you do
16:53.13hellueslets say its dead
16:53.14dudemanDuddle, please do not fabricate lies.
16:53.20hellueswhy it is in lennt repo
16:53.23maligorenouf, must have a split personality
16:53.23hellueslenny
16:53.27enoufdudeman: somebody != dudeman
16:53.34Duddleno, you never did, but others who wanted to highlight you did instead highlight me
16:53.41enoufdumbass dudeman
16:53.43enouf:-P
16:53.49dudemanme instead of dudeman <-- implies I've bee hilighting him all this time
16:53.53dudemanand now someone else finally did
16:53.54dudemanwtf
16:53.55enoufno
16:53.59helluesd-n
16:53.59dudemanI never hilighted that asshole
16:54.01dudemanI dunno him
16:54.04dudemanwhy would I hilight him
16:54.05d-bhellues: is it actually in lenny or was it brought through with you from etch ?
16:54.09dudemanis he on crack?
16:54.10enoufdudeman: will you stop now?
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16:54.11helluesd-b nothing list after dpkg -l spyware..
16:54.16Wyzardhellues: dunno
16:54.21helluesno
16:54.25helluesit is in lenny repo
16:54.34dudemanblamin shit on me for no reason
16:54.36helluesi take galeon from lenny actually
16:54.37d-bhellues: there no spyware. (that was a joke btw). rkhunter and chrootkit if you really want to scan
16:54.38dudemanIhate that shit
16:54.38Wyzardhellues: but I'd recommend using epiphany (which is similar to galeon, and it's actually the standard GNOME browser)
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16:55.01helluesiceweasel or epiphany
16:55.03dudemanIW
16:55.06hellueswhich one is better
16:55.11d-bkonq..
16:55.17helluesi wish i can use mac os bwoser
16:55.17dudemanIW is superior in almost all respects
16:55.19helluessafari
16:55.38whyzzyrdhellues: you can. Simply get a mac.
16:55.43dudemanuhm
16:55.45dudemanpearpc?
16:55.53whyzzyrdnow, I'm off to dig about initrd's some more
16:55.55d-bhellues: http://konqueror.kde.org/ - what saffari is based on.
16:56.07dann-ywebkit :)
16:56.08maligordudeman, why would you need to emulate ppc?
16:56.10helluesmac os browser
16:56.18dudemancuz
16:56.20dudemanI dunno
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16:56.35maligorplenty of webkit browsers now
16:56.52d-bhello in epiphany can do webkit mode ;)
16:56.56enoufdudeman: you're going into the bozo box now for a while
16:56.59helluesare there a wat to work safari on debian
16:57.16maligorhellues, wine maybe
16:57.21dudemanenouf, don't give a flying fuck
16:57.22maligorsince there's a windows version of safari
16:57.26d-bhellues: the windows version might run under wine. but we odn't care.
16:57.31d-bdon't*
16:57.35helluesehehehe
16:57.36dudemanyou seem to be siding with that lyin sack of shit who blamed me for hilighiting him
16:57.38helluesi know
16:57.42dudemanand you're gonna put me on a bozo box
16:57.45dudemanthe nerve of some people
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16:57.47WyzardThat'd be pretty funny...  running the Windows version of Apple's browser on Linux
16:57.48dudemangoddamn
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16:58.11d-bWyzard: yeah cuz mac os x has a bsd based userland.
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16:59.12dudemanDuddle, yo what the FUCK is your deal dude, why the fuck are you starting shit with me?
16:59.15dudemanwtf did i do to you?
16:59.51d-bdudeman: and Duddle please join offtopic if you want to continue your conversation.
16:59.58d-b* #debian-offtopic
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17:03.11Cosmo`ok, so how do i change the global CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS ?
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17:06.34WyzardCosmo`: There's no "global" CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS setting
17:06.47WyzardCosmo`: What's the actual link command that's being run to try to build your library?
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17:06.55d-bWyzard: i think he is refering to "export"
17:07.14Cosmo`give me a moment Wyzard, i'm just running a new compile after i've altered the Jamfile
17:07.24Cosmo`because i noticed there was some specified static linking in there
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17:07.57Cosmo`but, here you go
17:07.57Cosmo`http://pastebin.com/m619c4bb2
17:08.46WyzardCosmo`: /opt/local/lib and /sw/lib?
17:09.03Cosmo`no idea why it's doing that
17:09.08Cosmo`that's purely what bjam is generating
17:09.27WyzardI assume those are generic things in the makefile and don't actually exist on your system
17:09.47Cosmo`that would be my assumption
17:09.56Cosmo`when this compile run finishes i can check for you
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17:10.53Cosmo`SHIT
17:10.54Cosmo`that was it!
17:11.02WyzardWhat was?
17:11.16Cosmo`in the Jamfile for the libtorrent python bindings
17:11.26Cosmo`there were some links to boost libraries that were specified as static
17:11.30Cosmo`so i changed them to shared
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17:11.46Cosmo`so i can only assume that it didn't like statically linking them, and the Jamfile was overring whatever commands you actually passed to bjam
17:12.35WyzardThis linker output you pasted is for building libtorrent.so...  does that *contain* the Python binding, or is the Python binding another library that gets built separately?
17:13.48dudemanDuddle, hi
17:13.55dudemanDuddle, hey sorry enouf explain to me
17:14.06dudemanDuddle, its ok I thought you were trying to slander me
17:14.15dudemanDuddle, but i never hilighted you and i know that now
17:14.19enoufcool - thanks dudeman
17:14.23Cosmo`i believe libtorrent.so IS the python binding
17:14.25dudemansure
17:14.30dudemanI'm sorry for any misunderstanding
17:14.36dudemanmy english isn't good I am nto american
17:14.47dudemanor english
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17:15.00enoufdpkg: slap dudeman around with a bit of curry
17:15.00dpkgstrikes a resounding *THWAP* across dudeman around with a bit of curry's face
17:15.05dudemanlol
17:15.06enoufhaha
17:15.09dudemanhah dude
17:15.16dudemandid you ask me if i was on abrotman pills
17:15.17dudemanlol
17:15.20WyzardCosmo`: That seems pretty strange, for the main library (meant for linking other programs against) also contains Python dependencies and is a loadable Python module
17:15.27abrotmandudeman: knock it off .. go play somewhere else
17:15.42Cosmo`well, even though i've built the bindings, i still can't actually run it anyway
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17:15.51nix_chix0renouf, where ya at nucca
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17:15.56b0rsuk|runningHi
17:15.56Cosmo`the python code i'm trying to run that calls the library is still bleating about undefined symbols
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17:16.13WyzardCosmo`: but if it's the case, it sounds like you were getting some boost stuff that wasn't built with -fPIC in something that was then being built into the .so
17:16.13dudemanabrotman, thats fine.  No problem. Get off the pills.
17:16.15enoufnix_chix0r: hiya dearie! :-)
17:16.28Cosmo`yes, quite possible
17:16.29abrotmandudeman: pot/kettle
17:16.32dudemanthe src for iceweasel is like
17:16.33b0rsukHi, I have a question. When I edit /etc/crontab by hand, do I have to restart cron or not ?
17:16.34enoufdudeman: quit it
17:16.34Cosmo`unfortunately i've only completed half of the struggle
17:16.35dudeman45 mb
17:16.38nix_chix0rhiding out in debian i see..
17:16.49dudemanabrotman, whatever man.  Peace.
17:16.49enoufnix_chix0r: aye - listen pm .. ok?
17:16.53nix_chix0rnp
17:16.54Cosmo`so these things still aren't building correctly
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17:17.27abrotmandarn trolls
17:17.35RomMasterb0rsuk: should not be needed
17:17.37dudemanabrotman I'm sorry a lot of people don't like you, pleae don't take it out me.
17:17.45abrotmandarn trolls
17:18.05b0rsukRomMaster: Then something doesn't work here.
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17:19.01RomMasterif you're unsure, just add a one minute cronjob and see if it works
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17:19.28WyzardCosmo`: Are you aware that libtorrent is packaged in Debian?
17:19.28RomMasterif not, you'd have to restart it.. doesn't hurt anyway
17:19.40Cosmo`yes Wyzard, but i am trying to build it manually for other reasons
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17:20.25Cosmo`this is actually a university project i'm taking on that's got alot of existing code
17:20.35dudemandeluge is a nice client baed on librottent
17:20.40dudemanuhm torrent
17:20.49Cosmo`this isn't a torrent client
17:20.52dudemanrtorrent is hard to use with the stuff
17:20.56dudemanCosmo`, oh
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17:21.15Cosmo`this is an existing university project codebase for a torrent based server service using python with libtorrent
17:21.55dudemanok
17:22.09dudemanover my head but good luck with it
17:22.12whyzzyrdCosmo`: don't you love it when some professor hands you a smelly bit of code, and says "here, use this".
17:22.50Cosmo`well, it's not from a professor, heh
17:22.58Cosmo`it's from a bunch of students from last year who have now left the university
17:23.21Cosmo`i've got a double sided piece of A4 here with their instructions oin building libtorrent.so, and it's now covered with my highlights and pen for where it doesn't work
17:23.35whyzzyrdCosmo`: lovely.
17:23.38dudemanew
17:23.49whyzzyrdCosmo`: I've seen more than a few of them round here
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17:23.59dudemanI'm having to pick up this leftover app from the prev. developer who worked at mycompany and I'm like wtf that guy can't code worth af uck
17:24.12Cosmo`it's alright, i'm learning loads about linking and stuff while i try and get this to work
17:24.16Cosmo`so it's all ok
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17:24.29Cosmo`i think i need to compile boost again but with static link support, if that's possible
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17:24.58denysoniqueHi can someone give my a link to a website with default debian runlevels? Please
17:25.12denysoniqueI've removed everything from all runlevels.
17:25.16dudeman!runlevels
17:25.16dpkg0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>
17:25.29abrotmandenysonique: the default in inittab is 2
17:25.46dudemanthere is also an entry on wiki.debian.org
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17:27.21Cosmo`ok, here we go, off to build boost again and see if this improves things
17:27.32denysoniquethanks
17:27.50denysonique!startup
17:27.51dpkgit has been said that init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x)
17:27.59abrotman!tell denysonique about msg the bot
17:28.03dudemandenysonique, actualily /msg dpkg keyword
17:28.10J-roenHi, I have a machine which won't allow me to log in with a private key. I get the usual "Server refused our key" message. On another machine, everything works fine. The contents of /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the same and so are the permissions for the .ssh folder and the authorized_keys file. Is it possible that the server denies the key in some other place? Thanks.
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17:28.13dudemandenysonique, you can also youse /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search
17:29.07LzJ-roen: have you run the server in debug mode to see what it says?
17:29.13denysoniqueok but what is the minimum for a system to run?
17:29.22abrotmandenysonique: the default runlevel is 2
17:29.26denysonique;/
17:29.41denysoniquebut what are the minimum deamons
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17:29.47J-roenLz: Unfortunately, I haven't got access to /var/log/auth.log etc.
17:29.56denysoniquethe required ones.
17:30.04denysoniquelike hald etc.
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17:30.27denysoniqueI can't boot my system now.
17:30.34abrotmanwhy not?
17:30.36LzJ-roen: you should be able to run: /usr/sbin/sshd -p <someport> -d
17:30.39WyzardJ-roen: An up-to-date sshd will reject weak keys that were generated with the broken RNG that got fixed a few months ago
17:31.17J-roenWyzard: Thanks, but I already have new keys. That fix caused me a headache a few months ago ;).
17:32.10J-roenLz: You mean on the remove machine (where the problems are)? I have no root access on the remote machine.
17:32.31LzJ-roen: you don't have to be root to run sshd
17:32.32b0rsukHow do you use `date` for filenames ? Do you have any favourite settings ? Is there any SHORT parameter usable for filenames ?
17:32.38J-roenLz: Okay, I'll try.
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17:33.31J-roenLz: Bind to port 123 on :: failed: Permission denied.
17:33.50LzJ-roen: you need to pick a port > 1024
17:33.55J-roenLz: Okay, thanks.
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17:34.53J-roenLz: I have tried several random ports > 1024, but I get the message "Address already in use." with every port.
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17:35.29hellueswhich explorer is the best on debian
17:35.33LzJ-roen: it should still be running despite issing that message
17:35.42J-roenLz: Yes, that's true.
17:35.42helluesiceweasel epiphany konqueror what else
17:35.50helluesi need a fast browser
17:35.52abrotmanhellues: try them all, you decide
17:35.55J-roenLz: But should I be able to connect then, although it is in use?
17:36.03LzJ-roen: yes
17:36.14helluesi wonder you choice abrotman
17:36.15hellues:D
17:36.17abrotmanhellues: try them all, you decide
17:36.32Lzyou'll need to add -p <port> to the ssh command line
17:36.37J-roenLz: I see, cool.
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17:37.18J-roenLz: sshd displays some activity when I try to connect on the specified port (12345), but it exits directly.
17:37.19WyzardJ-roen: It's normal to get an "address already in use" when running sshd due to something relating to its attempt to listen on both IPv4 and IPv6
17:37.30J-roenWyzard: Okay, thanks!
17:37.31toor_i'm trying to install a perl module via CPAN on a xen guest (etch) and perl throws a "Cannot allocate memory at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm line 5727". i searched around and wasnt able to find any definitive answers. i have enought memory free to install a mod.
17:37.36WyzardJ-roen: I don't remember the details but it happens even for a normal sshd starting as root on port 22
17:37.41J-roenLz: It says "No supported key exchange algorithms"
17:38.04toor_any ideas as to why perl can't allocate some memory?
17:38.11nubbunJ-roen: you can set a parameter to separate ip4 and IP6.  then the same number port on each will be different.
17:38.28J-roennubbun: Cool :)
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17:39.25J-roenHow can I solve the sshd error "No supported key exchange algorithms"?
17:39.31LzJ-roen: what client/server version are you using?
17:39.35nubbun/etc/sysctl.conf  net.ipv6.bindv6only=1  perhaps?
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17:40.38J-roenLz: I am able to connect with my regular username/password on port 22, where sshd is running also.
17:40.49J-roenLz: Do you want to know the sshd version?
17:41.14Wyzardtoor_: How do you know you have enough free memory?
17:41.28LzJ-roen: interesting, did it say if it could find the key file?
17:41.50toor_Wyzard: output of 'free' = Mem:        131220      80048      51172
17:41.52Wyzardtoor_: And what's on line 5727 of CPAN.pm?
17:42.15J-roenLz: No, I don't see anything like that.
17:42.35J-roenLz: That last message after starting sshd is: Bind to port 12345 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
17:42.44J-roenLz: Then it says nothing until I try to connect.
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17:43.01J-roenLz: Like this: debug1: Client protocol version 2.0; client software version PuTTY_Release_0.60
17:43.07J-roenLz: debug1: no match: PuTTY_Release_0.60
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17:43.12J-roenLz: debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
17:43.17J-roenLz: debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5ubuntu0.5
17:43.21J-roenSorry, won't paste anymore.
17:43.44abrotmanisn't there a #ubuntu ?
17:43.49J-roenLz: And then it says that there are no supported key exchange algorithms.
17:44.19WyzardJ-roen: Did you run sshd with "-v"?
17:44.34J-roenWyzard: No... I ran /usr/sbin/sshd -p 12345 -d
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17:44.48toor_Wyzard: looks like line 5726 and 5727 call method CPAN::Config->{gzip} --decompress
17:45.00LzJ-roen: oh it needs the host key to work
17:45.02Wyzardoh, the option I was thinking of is -d, not -v
17:45.18J-roenLz: Okay. Can I do anything about that?
17:45.23WyzardJ-roen: Add two more -d for additional levels of debug messages
17:45.32J-roenWyzard: Nice :)
17:45.44LzJ-roen: generate a key
17:46.22J-roenLz: Just a regular rsa key?
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17:47.03LzJ-roen: I think so, let me try
17:47.16toor_Wyzard: which i think just decompresses the fetched module
17:47.31J-roenLz: Thanks. Now I see this message indeed: "Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" I should have noticed that earlier.
17:48.05Wyzardtoor_: I'd run it under strace and look for a failed brk() call
17:48.21J-roenLz: I already found out that I can pass that key with the -h option.
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17:49.56J-roenLz: I cat'd /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key on my local server. It looks like a regular rsa key.
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17:51.07WyzardJ-roen: It is, but it's readable only by root
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17:51.19J-roenWyzard: Yeah, I read that: -h host_key_file   This option must be given if sshd is not run as root.
17:52.32J-roenLz: I found a tutorial at http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1806. It says   ssh-keygen -t rsa /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key   is fine.
17:52.52J-roenLz: So I'll try ssh-keygen -t rsa ssh_host_rsa_key
17:52.58Lzk
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17:54.43J-roenLz: It looks like it works. It only says WARNING: UNPROTECTED PRIVATE KEY FILE!, but I learned I shouldn't care about warnings too much :). Although this one actually makes sense.
17:55.17LzJ-roen: is that after you connect?
17:55.18J-roenLz: But actually it does matter right now... the permissions were to open ;).
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17:55.25J-roenLz: I'm now going to connect!
17:55.55J-roenLz: Hmm... it still says No supported key exchange algorithms.
17:56.14J-roenLz: But wait, it says: debug3: Not a RSA1 key file ssh_host_rsa_key.pub.
17:56.29J-roenLz: Maybe I have to specify the private key? :s
17:57.40J-roenLz: Nope, that doesn't help. Although it also says: debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA
17:57.57J-roenLz: But then again: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
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17:59.10J-roenSo how can I pass the right hosts key to sshd?
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18:00.47_stackhow do I install a preferred version of a package from another repository (backports) ..I have a backports repo and I want to installa a newer version of a package...
18:00.53toor_Wyzard: i'm not a skilled coder, what am i looking for?
18:01.21Wyzardtoor_: Start at the end and read backward, and look for anything mentioning the brk() function
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18:04.31toor_Wyzard: wanna take a look? http://pastebin.com/m571e3c0b
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18:05.13Wyzardtoor_: hmm, that's a call to clone() that failed with ENOMEM
18:05.24J-roenLz: Any ideas?
18:05.38Wyzardtoor_: That means the program was either trying to create a thread or (more likely) fork a child process -- clone() is the underlying system call for both operations on Linux
18:06.25Wyzardtoor_: After all the stat64 calls looking for Zlib.pm, my guess is that it tried to find a Perl module for decompressing gzip data, and failing that, tried to run /bin/gunzip
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18:07.13Wyzardtoor_: According to the manpage for clone(), ENOMEM means "Cannot allocate sufficient memory to allocate a task structure for the child, or to copy those parts of the caller's context that need to be copied"
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18:07.34toor_Wyzard: from what little info i was able to find, it appears that its related to the xen hv, not perl.
18:08.04Wyzardtoor_: Well, creating new processes probably does involve the hypervisor in a Xen environment
18:08.22Wyzardso maybe there are additional Xen-specific reasons why clone() might return ENOMEM
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18:08.33LzJ-roen: generate a dsa key
18:09.03toor_Wyzard: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-01/msg00874.html
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18:09.28LzJ-roen: /usr/sbin/sshd -p 2001 -o "HostKey /home/user/test_key" -o "PasswordAuthentication yes" -o "UsePrivilegeSeparation no" -o "UsePam no" -d
18:09.36Lzwith a dsa key seems to work
18:09.40J-roenLz: I've got it working!
18:09.46J-roenLz: I also created a dsa key.
18:10.05Wyzardtoor_: looks like a plausible explanation
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18:10.08J-roenLz: So now let's see what happens when I try to log in with a private key.
18:10.40Wyzardtoor_: and 3.0.3 seems to be the version in etch
18:10.52J-roenLz: I guess this is something really stupid.
18:11.13pobegaCan anyone recommend me a good USB WiFi card that would work nice with Debian and WPA encryption?
18:11.17J-roenLz: It says that there's a bad ownership or modes for my home directory.
18:11.18pobegaPreferably native drivers
18:11.32Wyzardtoor_: Though that pertains to creating a domU, not creating a new process in an existing domU
18:11.38LzJ-roen: what does ls -ld of your home dir say?
18:11.50J-roenLz: drwxrwx---
18:11.59J-roenLz: Why would this be incorrect?
18:12.15XTZGZoReXHow can I allow root logins in KDE?
18:12.25Lzcause group can write
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18:12.48LzJ-roen: can you do: chmod g-w <homedir>
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18:14.29J-roenLz: Yes, thanks. Now it does a little bit more, but it fails at some other point.
18:14.35J-roenLz: I'm experimenting with that now.
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18:16.50J-roenLz: I've got it working with my password protected key now, but not with an unprotected key. It just says: Failed publickey.
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18:17.16LzJ-roen: strange
18:17.20J-roenLz: But I found out that's something with my custom sshd configuration.
18:17.27J-roenLz: It works on port 22 now!
18:17.31Lzwoo
18:18.09J-roenLz: I really didn't know that the permissions of the home folder mattered also.
18:18.33LzJ-roen: yeah, it's quite picky
18:18.37J-roenLz: In my search for the problem I didn't read that anywhere. I only read about the permissions for .ssh and authorized_key.
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18:19.30J-roenLz: So that's why I thought that this all was okay. I'm sorry. But I have learned much more about sshd now! Thank you very much for your help!
18:19.37J-roenWyzard: You too thanks for all.
18:21.40J-roenLz: If there's anything I can do for *you*, please let me know.
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18:27.38binarymutanthow do I get irssi to auto load scripts?
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18:28.03simonrvnrtfm
18:28.13simonrvn~/.irssi/sripts/autorun
18:28.17simonrvnscripts*
18:28.57dudemanput everythingin .irssi/scripts
18:29.09dudemango to th autorun dir and ln -s ../scriptname.pl
18:29.30dudemanin fact you should install scriptassist.pl and then do like /scriptassist install blah
18:29.36dudemanand /scriptassist autorun blah
18:29.56binarymutantgot it k thanks
18:30.10simonrvnscriptassist is rather neat
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18:30.28binarymutantI had it them the scripts folder but not in autorun
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18:34.49vin`!greetings
18:34.49dpkghello, vin`
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18:52.55tuxcrafterhello everybody, i created an system with udev rules that usb sticks get there own group depending on with usb hub they are connect
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18:53.22tuxcrafterhowever is there a way to let hal or thunar-volman gnome-volman work with this
18:53.42tuxcrafterso that the user can mounts the device that has the same group
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18:54.21simonrvnsounds neat
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18:57.33mmu_manhmm damn I still didn't uninstall this *$$ù flash, where can I remove that one...
18:57.52mmu_manoh, found the bugger in ~/.mozilla/plugins
18:58.04mmu_manit's not handled by apt it seems :^)
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18:58.27abrotmanmmu_man: updatedb && locate flash
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18:59.29mmu_manabrotman yeah I know locate... I'm too used to BeOS queries which don't need updatedb :D
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18:59.43abrotmanyou could use find instead
18:59.48mmu_manthat's what I did
18:59.55mmu_manin /lib but it didn't work
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19:00.08mmu_manI grepped /proc/$PID/maps for flash instead
19:00.11mmu_mananyway
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19:00.18abrotmanlooked in /etc/alternatives ?
19:00.22mmu_manyes
19:00.28mmu_manseems it's not there
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19:00.45mmu_manI thought it was epiphany's own installed but it ends up moz(iceweasel) installed it
19:00.56S-i-Ahi
19:01.07mmu_manand of course it doesn't handle removing them cleanly, at least I didn't find
19:01.16abrotmanwhich version of debian are you on?
19:01.19mmu_manthere is an extension setting but that's for other stuff
19:01.22mmu_manstable
19:01.27abrotmanswfdec ?
19:01.43S-i-Ai use fail2ban, and is worked, but ban the host for just 10 min after them Unban him :)
19:01.52S-i-Awhat's wrong!
19:01.54abrotmanyou can change the time
19:02.02mmu_manabrotman no it's the regular flash plugin
19:02.09mmu_manI once allowed moz to install it
19:02.18mmu_mannot it eats up all cpu as in XP...
19:02.18S-i-Aabrotman, aha in fail2ban.conf?
19:02.29Gm4nS-i-A: 3 passwords per 10 minutes is a pretty slow bruteforce attempt ;)
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19:02.34mmu_manI could rm it but I'd rather do it cleanly
19:02.42abrotmanGm4n: no .. it undoes the ban
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19:03.03mmu_manbut I failed to find a plugin settings in moz, they don't count as extensions
19:03.05mmu_mananyway
19:03.10Gm4nabrotman: and then three more passwords are bruteforced, and the IP is re-banned
19:03.11mmu_manI'll mv it elsewhere and see
19:03.22mmu_manflash sux :-(
19:04.03S-i-AGm4n, but i will ban the Attacker for ever ;)
19:04.19Gm4nS-i-A: a great plan, until you forget your password
19:04.23Gm4nand you are forever banned
19:04.26mmu_manhmm oddly the mime settings have swf set to open with the plugin... but no place to remove it, looke like protected mode on 286
19:04.51vin`abrotman: hmm, haven't had much time on the laptop and my kid's messed up the keys, a few are missing. \o/
19:04.54S-i-AGm4n,  iaccept that
19:04.56S-i-A:)
19:04.56LzGm4n: that's what ssh keys are for, or explictly allowing your own ip range
19:05.08abrotmanmmu_man: tried to uninstall the plugin in the plugin manager?
19:05.13abrotmanvin`: cute
19:05.30mmu_manabrotman I've yet to locate a plugin manager
19:05.35mmu_manyou mean in moz ?
19:05.40simonrvnaddons window
19:05.41vin`abrotman: what? the keyboard? no, it ain't.
19:05.58mmu_manabrotman you mean in the tools menu ?
19:06.00vin`when's Lenny due?
19:06.03mmu_manit's for extensions, not plugins
19:06.04abrotmanvin`: the kids
19:06.07abrotmanmmu_man: i suppose
19:06.23S-i-Aabrotman, srry, who can change the banning time?
19:06.25mmu_manlike sidebar stuff, themes, and translations
19:06.30simonrvnlast tab "Plugins"
19:06.32mmu_manplugins are nowhere listed there
19:06.32abrotmanyou can ?
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19:06.34vin`sandbar
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19:07.06simonrvnusing iceweasel/ff 2 or something...?
19:07.16mmu_manyes iceweasel from stable
19:07.31mmu_manabout:plugins lists them but that's it
19:08.05mmu_manI hope moz3 fixes it
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19:08.58mmu_manI'll just move it to ~/.mozilla/plugins-disabled/
19:09.07mmu_manit's painful as well in XP to remove it
19:09.09vin`abrotman: Little Big Planet is great fun btw.
19:09.14S-i-AGm4n, is that possible to change the banning time?
19:09.28mmu_manI did it and had to isntall YahooMessenger and that ... installed it back
19:09.32mmu_manneed to remove that ASAP
19:09.39simonrvnff3 you can uninstall or disable them in Add-ons window (same for iceweasel, of course)
19:10.11mmu_mansimonrvn ok well it's a much needed feature, as you can see
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19:10.40vin`!bug 470882
19:10.51simonrvndbugs
19:10.58mmu_manok, still runs, but without flash \o/
19:10.59Gm4nS-i-A: certainly
19:11.04vin`!dbugs 470882
19:11.07dpkg#470882:G[gpm] gpm freezes and makes other applications freeze/segfault (); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:48:04 UTC [476431]
19:11.10mmu_manand epiphany as well
19:11.32mmu_manit's so much easier in BeOS... we just don't have flash :D
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19:11.34S-i-AGm4n, is 600 now, i will 24 h
19:11.38vin`anybody tested that?
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19:13.16adbvin`: gpm id great here , on sid
19:13.35adbis*
19:13.36vin`adb: id/is ?
19:13.38vin`ok
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19:15.08project2501ahello. can i have a search term or two about how to create the conf file of the gnome vpn client? the one in the network manager
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19:15.34project2501ai'm currently using openvpn from the command line, which is not too clue-full
19:15.44vin`!confmiss
19:15.44dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
19:15.49S-i-AGm4n, i make my ip in ignor list, also i will bantime for ever
19:16.20vin`project2501a: ^^
19:16.31tuxcrafterok lets ask the question in an other way, how can user user0 of group user0 mount an block device that has read and write acces for group user0
19:16.52project2501avin`, i'm not missing the conf package. it was not there in the first place because i never configured it. i'm looking on the diffs between the openvpn client and the openvpn conf file.
19:17.10vin`project2501a: meh
19:17.35project2501atuxcrafter, erh, mount -t <fs type> /dev/blockdevice /wherever ?
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19:17.46project2501aedit fstab and make sure it's userreadable
19:17.49project2501afstab options
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19:17.56project2501awhich are the mount -o options.
19:17.59project2501avin`, hehe :)
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19:18.19tuxcrafterproject2501a: message only root dan do that
19:18.38project2501ahai, root-sempai ichiban :D
19:18.44project2501avin`, i'm not without clue; i just need a little help finding the how-to
19:18.46tuxcrafteri need to be able to mount an block device as non root
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19:19.01vin`!man
19:19.01dpkg[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/
19:19.11vin`project2501a: ^^
19:19.13ldiamondDebian or Ubuntu Server ?
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19:19.33project2501aldiamond, vista :D
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19:19.42ldiamondheh
19:19.47vin`!smitesmite project2501a
19:19.47dpkgsmites project2501a with the smiting rod of +10 smiting (used to smite relentless smiters).
19:19.50project2501ahehe
19:19.57ldiamondI want a distro that doesnt have useless stuffs and let me choose what I want
19:20.04ldiamondbut I also want easy to install packages
19:20.08project2501aldiamond, debian, netisntall
19:20.12vin`ldiamond: debian
19:20.20project2501awhat's not easy about dselect? or apt-get ?
19:20.31ldiamondIts easy
19:20.38vin`ldiamond: or try the biz card
19:20.45ldiamondbut is there as many packages on debian as on ubuntu?
19:21.08project2501aldiamond, ubuntu derives from debian
19:21.16ldiamondyea I know that
19:21.21project2501aso, yes, it has as many packages as ubuntu
19:21.24ldiamondok
19:21.36vin`more
19:21.40ldiamondso ubuntu only has more stuffs installed?
19:21.59project2501aldiamond, ubuntu has a more 'serve with a smile' attitude than debian.
19:22.05ldiamondI could get debian, then install all the package and end up with an ubuntu distro?
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19:22.11project2501aldiamond, no.
19:22.16vin`ldiamond: meh
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19:22.46vin`!ubuntu
19:22.46dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
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19:23.26project2501atakes away vin` 's sugar
19:23.36project2501ano more coke for you
19:23.42ldiamondSo since I want a distro with functionnality instead of eye candy, debian is more suited?
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19:23.59project2501aldiamond, your distro is not of real importance
19:24.11project2501athe distro you choose, even.
19:24.17project2501alinux is not vista
19:24.17vin`ldiamond: you can get eye candy too if that's what tickles your fancy.
19:24.33project2501ayou can have all the functionality you need if you want to
19:24.35ldiamondwell, the amount of work I'll have to put into it to make it the way I want depends highly on the distro I suppose
19:24.47project2501anot really
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19:25.08ldiamondSo why so many distros if they are all the same :p
19:25.17project2501adifferent philosophies
19:25.26project2501ahence the "freedom" part
19:25.27ldiamondWhats debian's
19:25.32project2501aanarchistic
19:25.37ldiamondnice
19:25.49project2501aanarchosyndicalism to be exact
19:26.04ldiamondI'm not gonna look it up tho.
19:26.08ldiamondso in clear?
19:26.11project2501aubuntu is neo-socialist (hence the debian for the masses)
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19:26.20project2501aredhat is libertarian
19:26.28vin`project2501a: do you have a debian related query?
19:26.47project2501avin`, yeah i do but you haven't provided me with anything usefull, yet.
19:27.05vin`project2501a: why me? ask the channel.
19:27.31project2501acuz you seem to be triggering the bots to provide me with uncluefull responces.
19:27.39project2501anot every package in debian has a manpage
19:27.48vin`project2501a: sure it does.
19:27.48project2501aso calm down
19:27.51project2501a....
19:28.01abrotmanproject2501a: qa.debian.org has a man page project .. go help
19:28.21ldiamondAre people more helpful around on #ubuntu?
19:28.24project2501aproject2501a@@cayenne:~$ man network-manager-openvpn-gnome
19:28.24project2501aNo manual entry for network-manager-openvpn-gnome
19:28.29vin`ldiamond: ask them.
19:28.40ldiamondThats quite an answer.
19:28.53project2501aldiamond, he means "i wouldn't know"
19:28.57project2501a"i never hang out there"
19:29.03project2501abut he's putting in elitist terms
19:29.19ldiamondI know what he means
19:29.22torris there automatic way to get a user screen cookie from root?
19:29.28ldiamondbut I saw that more as a "yes"
19:29.28project2501aabrotman, i would. if i could find a guide how to configure the damn network-manager-openvpn-gnome client.
19:29.43vin`ldiamond: no
19:29.49project2501aldiamond, heh. pardon the 22 year olds
19:29.55abrotmanproject2501a: stop being a pest
19:30.26project2501aabrotman, i'm not being a pest, i'm just looking for a clue or two to configure openvpn
19:30.43abrotmanyou're looking for a GUI way
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19:31.13abrotmani'd guess you want to read the network-manager documentation .. since it's just a plugin for that
19:31.27letitbitMake money on the internet: http://letitbit.net/page/marsclub/partners.php
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19:31.37ldiamondoh really?
19:31.49asgproject2501a: openvpn.org has lots of documentation, howtos, etc.
19:31.52abrotmanproject2501a: and it does have a README
19:31.55ldiamondbut I think creating a porn site might pay a bit omre.
19:32.00project2501aabrotman, yes, since on a 17" laptop my desktop real estate is limited, i have 20+  screens in two xterms, and keeping one open for command-line openvpn is silly
19:32.21abrotmanuh .. use virtual desktops? that's a silly reason
19:32.26project2501aasg, thanks, i'll go take a look
19:32.33project2501aabrotman, virtual desktops suck
19:32.34abrotmanor launch it from screen .. disconnect
19:32.42abrotmanproject2501a: so do GUIs ..
19:32.57project2501aguis are a visual abstraction of information
19:33.14project2501aas soon as i got cash, i'll shell out for a couple of 30"
19:33.17ldiamondGUI dont suck, can save lots of time when its not useful to script
19:33.17abrotmango read your documentation
19:33.18project2501atfts
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19:33.39project2501aldiamond, "useful" is a relative term
19:33.53project2501awhat's useful for me is useless for you
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19:34.20ldiamonds useful for timesaving
19:35.57extorIs the iptables-dev package in debian related to the iptables package in debian by being associated with the same version numbers of the source code, or are the libipq and libiptc valid even if one wants to compile a brand new iptables binary from the latest source?
19:36.01Germanaz0hey a question
19:36.07Germanaz0I have a debian 64bit
19:36.37Germanaz0why when I'm trying to install linux32 it wanna delete me the util-linux and util-linux-locales
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19:36.44Germanaz0when them are important for system :X
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19:37.56ldiamondHumm, is linux 64bit decent? or is it like Win XP and wont work correctly most of the time?
19:38.09Germanaz0is working cool
19:38.14Germanaz0my debian 64bit
19:38.52Germanaz0dunno why synaptic wanna uninstall the util-linux when I'm trying to install linux32
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19:39.53phorce1and, speaking of iptables, is there a "brain dead GUI" for quick rules management? I have a 5-IP DSL connection and rather than waste an IP on a single forward-facing firewall I want to run iptables on each machine and just drop everything I don't need. If I find I need a port open it would be nice to click "open this one" and be done with it.
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19:41.22burghttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ia64/iso-dvd/ - do i need all 4 images from there to install debian? or 1st one is enough? i do NOT want full installations (all tools and etc)
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19:41.34adbGermanaz0: util-linux Conflict  linux32
19:41.58adbapt-cache search util-linux
19:42.19Germanaz0yes I know
19:42.25abrotmanburg: all you really need is the netinst
19:42.30Germanaz0but is more important util-linux than linux32
19:42.32Germanaz0for systme
19:42.33Germanaz0system
19:42.58burgabrotman: i have pppoe user/password net, i do not know how to configure it under netinst
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19:43.11abrotmanpppoeconf
19:44.00burgand how long will be the installation with netinst?
19:44.05Trampphorce1: having a device in front would not waste an IP, since you can forward (DNAT). It may even be the best configuration, to have the firewall carry all IPs and forward connections as needed (one central config instead of five)
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19:44.40abrotmanburg: the netinst gives you enough to run that after installation .. you can add http sources after the installatoin
19:44.48bewarei wonder if such a firewall can let the pc's have the public IPs
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19:46.24abrotmanburg: but if you feel more comfortable .. you can use just CD1 or DVD1
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19:47.33phorce1Tramp: The firewall would have to assigned one of the external IP's and only be able to forward the other 4 plus be used as a router for internal IPs.I'll have separate NICs in the machine and a separate router for the internal network for all the machines that don't need to talk to the outside world.
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19:48.05vin`phorce1: try firehol
19:48.20pem3v78I'm wondering what does link count in `ls -l` means for directories.
19:48.29phorce1beware: yes, it could forward the 4 IP's it isn't using for itself.
19:48.50bewarei mean a setup where pcs have all 5 IPs
19:48.52bewarewith NAT tricks
19:49.01bewareso the thing appears as a kind of bridge firewall
19:49.09Trampphorce1: Even if it's assigned an external IP, you can still forward traffic to an internal machine. Even a cheap SOHO router can do that.
19:49.20Germanaz0brb
19:49.21bewarethe firewall can still have a "virtual" IP to be accessed on from the inside, but not the outside
19:49.29Germanaz0is away (Not Here - No Estoy - Me Fui)
19:49.36abrotman!tell Germanaz0|BnC about away
19:49.44phorce1iptables isn't resource intensive if you're just dropping all packets not destined for a few specific ports so I think just running it on every machine will be fine.
19:50.00phorce1vin`: thanks, going to look
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19:51.55arikonmhi all! anybody surfing with iwlwifi?
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19:52.04asgpem3v78: info coreutils ls (the info should be in there somewhere)
19:52.11arikonmI can't autheticate with the ap of my router
19:52.26pem3v78asg: only says that it's "link count"
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19:54.25phorce1I'm kind of looking for something like IPCop -- but for use in configuring a single machine rather than a whole internal/external/DMZ network.
19:55.00phorce1aha, maybe fwbuilder
19:55.47pem3v78asg: better it says "number of hard links" but there is no such thing :)
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19:56.40phorce1I was apt-cache seraching for "iptables" instead of "firewall". There are a few that look interesting when searching for firewall
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20:02.06chafferhello.  is there a problem with the debian server?
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20:02.29chafferI'm a mint/fedora user that wants to try debian but all the download links on the site 404
20:03.33whyzzyrdchaffer: what page are the links on, and what are you trying to download?
20:03.48adburl
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20:04.07adbchaffer: ^^^
20:04.36chaffer1 second
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20:05.17chafferhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/
20:05.20chafferthere's one
20:05.31chafferhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-dvd/
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20:06.06chafferhttp://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso
20:06.06adbuse the new  one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/
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20:06.19adbchaffer: ^^^
20:06.36asgpem3v78: from the looks of it, 'link' refers to the number of child nodes + the '.' self-referencial node + the parent's reference.
20:06.54chafferadb yes?
20:07.00adbyes
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20:07.34pem3v78asg: I thought so too, looks like /proc is broken in this matter or it's something else
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20:09.04asgpem3v78: if I find a definitive definition, I'll let you know
20:09.04burgwill i have same problem on debian with nvidia geforce 8200, like on ubuntu?
20:09.06project2501aso, comrads
20:09.35project2501awhen do we move from potato-famished pessantry to revolutionised communism?
20:10.55Ridehyou need to update the links to 4.0_r5
20:10.58smudgeinator1Moving from corporate fascism to anything else will occur when the general population has a general IQ exceeding two digits.
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20:11.29smudgeinator1(shortly after hell freezes over)
20:12.33project2501asmudgeinator1, i thought it was easier than that: apt-get dist-upgrade
20:12.37extorhttp://amdandintel.blogspot.com/2008/04/amd-gives-unreleased-opteron-2352-to.html  <--- AMD gives FREE unlreleased processors to warez puppies!  :D
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20:12.56project2501aextor, thanks i got money to buy my own
20:13.03ZeeOhey guys do you know of a package that can take a URL website and convert it to a jpg
20:13.09ZeeOor img file of somekind
20:13.15smudgeinator1oh... why... I stand corrected. :-)
20:13.24extorproject2501a, yeah but you cant buy an unreleased cpu even with money
20:13.41smudgeinator1well... there's bribery...
20:14.10project2501asmudgeinator1, debian lennin.
20:14.23project2501awill save us! /me plays "Battleship Potemkin"
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20:14.32smudgeinator1somehow I missed that character in Toy Story..
20:14.52project2501awhat character
20:14.59smudgeinator1lennin
20:15.01vin`Rideh: fix it
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20:15.12project2501aComrade Lennin was in Toy Story?
20:15.30project2501aextor, no, i can't. but who cares?
20:15.32osmosisany way to force a reboot when the reboot command doesn't work?
20:15.33smudgeinator1debian releases are all (thus far) named after characters in Toy Story.
20:15.38project2501aoh.
20:15.43project2501adidn't notice that
20:15.43smudgeinator1reboot -f
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20:15.56project2501aosmosis, heavy hammer
20:16.04project2501ahit computer with it repeatedly
20:16.07Ridehvin`: i was responding to someone else saying the links wernt working
20:16.12osmosisproject2501a:   can't  init  do something?
20:16.15smudgeinator1if you're really silly... reboot -f -n
20:16.22vin`project2501a: quit trolling.
20:16.41adbright
20:16.46project2501avin`, there's difference between trolling and tongue-in-cheek hummor. stop reading slashdot
20:17.39smudgeinator1you can try telinit
20:17.43abrotman!sysrq
20:17.44dpkghmm... sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt
20:18.12smudgeinator1but I think that's what reboot does, if you don't say -f
20:18.46smudgeinator1oh... if your kernel supports that, you *can* use alt-printscrn-b
20:19.03smudgeinator1but you should likley alt-prntscrn-s first to sync
20:19.20smudgeinator1and maybe alt-prntscrn-u to unmount the (now synced) filesystems.
20:19.44smudgeinator1but that feature has to have been selected at compile time for your kernel.
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20:20.28smudgeinator1zgrep "CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL" /proc/config.gz
20:21.59smudgeinator1actually....  "zgrep 'CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y' /proc/config.gz"
20:23.10smudgeinator1if it's there, you can try ALT-SysRq(PrntScrn)-?  to get some rudimentary help.
20:23.25smudgeinator1(from a virtual terminal, not X)
20:24.48smudgeinator1for greater detail, look at /<PathToYourKernelSource>/Documentation/sysrq.txt
20:25.25Trampsmudgeinator1: all that was alread said by dpkg. Additionally, with a debian-kernel he will not have /proc/config but config-kernelversion in /boot. And he is also unlikely to have full kernel-sources installed
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20:26.52vin`!installit
20:26.52dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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20:28.29Trampvin`: not sure what you mean, but if you advice somebody to install full kernel-sources to be able to read one of it's files, you give bad advice
20:28.49vin`Tramp: ofcourse. :)
20:30.22smudgeinator1So... stock debian kernels do not have /proc/config.gz.... but they *do* have MagicSysRq?  odd...
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20:30.58abrotman!tell Germanaz0|BnC about away
20:31.11smudgeinator1I've used debian exclusively on dozens of systems since about 1999 or so... but have always built all my own kernels.
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20:32.38smudgeinator1OK... I just verified... on a local machine here which is running a stock debian kernel, that /proc/config.gz *is* present.
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20:34.51petemcsmudgeinator1: thats not the case on any of my debian machiens
20:34.53smudgeinator1it is running kenrel-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.26+16
20:35.45smudgeinator1(er... that would be s/kenrel/kernel/
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20:36.56chafferokay, I have a fresh net-install debian fresh off of the oven
20:37.11chafferI've done apt-get update
20:37.15chaffernow what?
20:37.43adbtasksel
20:37.46chafferI can't seem to find any packages with apt-get so I assume I need to --refresh or update my package list
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20:38.19smudgeinator1would package(s) linux-doc contain sysrq.txt?
20:38.52asgiirc, that's in the Document/ directory in the kernel source tree
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20:39.26smudgeinator1yes... but would it also bi in package linux-doc... removing the need to install the entire source-tree just to get that file?
20:39.27osmosiscan a format a 'raid' partition as swap...like a raid 0, to make my swap really fast?
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20:39.38adbsmudgeinator1:  do you use now Debian ?
20:39.48adbuname -r
20:40.02smudgeinator1yes
20:40.04asgsmudgeinator1: you could see using the 'apt-file' package. It would tell you which packages contained that text file.
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20:40.46mcdanielshi folks
20:40.59bombshockhello. could someone tell me whats the name of of the app to ban people that try to connect repeatedly on a ftp server?
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20:41.27adbsmudgeinator1:  uname -r
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20:42.02mcdanielsanybody can tell me wheter it is normal that debian lenny network install fails to boot with "lenny MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC" ?
20:42.07abrotmanbombshock: fail2ban
20:42.12smudgeinator1never used apt-file before... does not seem to like "apt-file linux-doc-2.6.26_2.6.26-8"
20:42.16bombshockabrotman: ty
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20:42.28abrotmansmudgeinator1: that's not a command .. it has  a man page
20:42.30SpeConhello: how can in find the path to my libtcl on debian?
20:42.45asgsmudgeinator1: running it here indicates that linux-doc-<kernel ver> does contain the file you wanat
20:42.47SpeConbecause i want to install an eggdrop but the eggdrop fails to configure because he didn't find tcl
20:42.48asg*want
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20:42.51SeveredCrossHey y'all, I have all the sendmail packages installed on my Debian box, but no sendmail binary.
20:42.52SpeConi did apt-get install tcl8.5
20:42.56smudgeinator1cool
20:42.57mcdanielsrunning on a dell vostro 1000
20:42.59SeveredCrossHmm.
20:43.00SeveredCrossActually.
20:43.01SpeConbut now i need to know were the path is
20:43.04SeveredCrossI think my $PATH might be wrong.
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20:43.55petemcSpeCon: you want the -dev package
20:44.16SpeConokay petemc
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20:45.16adnchello, i wonder if somone could tell me if it is possible to restrict mailman archives from being published. i would like to have it only visible for members. i could not find any documentation to this and the mailman channel is silent. i would be thankfull for help.
20:45.35SpeConhope that works petemc
20:45.50SpeConpeleg, it works :)
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20:46.05asgadnc: each list config should allow you to indicate private or public archives. iirc, private archives are only viewable by members.
20:46.12SeveredCrossOkay, WTF...
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20:46.36adncasg: i marked my list as private but it is still visible to publicly
20:48.04asgadnc: then something seems wrong. Have you consulted #mailman?
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20:48.22adncasg: ohh god yes, the last three days i'm waiting for answers
20:48.24adncwithout luck
20:48.39SeveredCrossI know I used to have a sendmail that followed the rules set up in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf/mc, but now I can't find any binaries of sendmail that are in a sendmail package.
20:48.50SeveredCrossShould I just use something like exim4 or another MTA, would it follow the same rules?
20:48.53asgadnc: you might send a query to their mailing list also or wait here to see if anyone else might know
20:48.54adncasg: do you know by hard where you do set this options, maybe i mixed this up with something different
20:49.06adncasg: thank you
20:49.25asgadnc: I know there is a symlink from public -> private in /var/lib/mailman/*/<foo> but don't know if that is all that is required to remove public privs.
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20:50.04adncasg: yes thats what i saw aswell, it is sym-linked from private to public
20:52.34adncasg: uyy i think i found it ;)
20:53.36SeveredCrossHmm...I think I found a mistake in the sendmail package.
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20:53.50SeveredCrossThe /etc/init.d/sendmail file looks for a /usr/sbin/sendmail binary, which is nowhere to be found.
20:54.41adncasg: are you hosting a mailing list which contains german umlautes in the mails?
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20:55.42adbSeveredCross: locate  /usr/sbin/|grep sendmail
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20:55.51SeveredCrossadb: It's not there...
20:55.54SeveredCrossI already told you.
20:55.56LzSeveredCross: which sendmail package?
20:56.07SeveredCrossLz: None of them contain /usr/sbin/sendmail
20:56.43SeveredCrosssendmail-bin, sendmail-base or sendmail, none contain /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is referenced in the init scripts.
20:56.56adb/usr/sbin/checksendmail
20:56.57adb/usr/sbin/sendmail
20:56.57adb/usr/sbin/sendmailconfig
20:57.01SeveredCrossI don't have it here.
20:57.05LzSeveredCross: which package have you installed?
20:57.25SeveredCrossLz: All of them, all version 8.14.3 from Lenny.
20:57.26smudgeinator1/usr/sbin/sendmail might be built on install as a sysmlink?  (maybe even to /etc/defaults?)
20:57.38smudgeinator1(er  s/sysmlink/symlink)
20:57.45SeveredCrosssmudgeinator1: I thought about that and tried reinstalling all the packages, nothing.
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20:59.14SeveredCrossdownloads the sendmail tarball.
20:59.18chafferapt-get install gnome or apt-get install gnome-core doesn't bring anything up
20:59.26chafferit says that it can't find package gnome.
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20:59.59chafferI'm certain that i'm connected to the internet, I can update aptitude but I don't know how to use it
21:00.06adbSeveredCross: i have sendmail version 8.14.3  and all is ok in  /usr/sbin/
21:00.22SeveredCrossadb: Hmm. I'll keep trying.
21:00.29SeveredCrossFor whatever reason, I'm not getting it created.
21:00.35smudgeinator1in aptitude.... type "/" to invoke a search... then search for "^gnome$" and see if it finds the package.
21:02.14chafferDo you mean if I have it already installed?
21:02.19smudgeinator1no...
21:02.24chafferit brings up nothing for that command
21:02.26asgadnc: sorry no, all mine are in english
21:02.32smudgeinator1that would should if it is available to you... installed or otherwise.
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21:02.43smudgeinator1(ack s/should/show/)
21:02.49SeveredCrossHmm...Looks like my machine is pretty screwed up.
21:02.56SeveredCrossThe symlink for cc -> gcc was missing.
21:03.04chafferI can find some gnome stuff on not installed list, what should I do?
21:03.15SeveredCrossI wonder if I don't have the same issue for sendmail, but then sudo update-alternatives --auto sendmail should fix that.
21:03.24chafferSorry, i've never used a linux besides fedora really.
21:03.33smudgeinator1if the package whose complete name is "gnome" shows in aptitude, but apt-get install gnome does not work... something really odd.
21:04.01abrotmanchaffer: aptitude install gonme ?
21:04.02abrotmangnome
21:04.13adbchaffer: paste "/etc/apt/sources.list"
21:04.19smudgeinator1yeah..
21:04.29smudgeinator1or maybe /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
21:04.50adbsmudgeinator1: you are on sidux  man
21:05.03smudgeinator1?sidux?
21:05.11chafferI can't paste, the deb is on another computer.  I'll be back in one second after trying aptitude install gnome
21:05.17chafferthanks :)
21:05.22adb22:40:38 <adb> smudgeinator1:  uname -r
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21:05.24chafferonly one ethernet cable :\
21:06.22smudgeinator1heh... uname -r won't show much of interest as I build all my own kernels.
21:06.43adbchaffer: install irssi (a chat client for console) , and comme here on debian machine
21:06.43smudgeinator1but no... wiki tells me what sidux is, and I'm not using it...
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21:06.58smudgeinator1I do, however pull a few things in from the unstable branch of debian.
21:07.10adb<PROTECTED>
21:07.18smudgeinator1Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
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21:08.39termitaptitude install gnome said no package "gnome" was available
21:09.03adb<PROTECTED>
21:09.08smudgeinator1yeah... you may want to alter the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:09.09termitbut the following packages contain the word gnome etc. thunderbird etc.
21:09.26termitadb tried that, no dice
21:09.40pem3v78asg: you were right, /proc is buggy
21:09.44termitsmudgeinator1 what would I alter there?
21:10.09smudgeinator1depends on what's there now, and how much intestinal fortitude you have ;-)
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21:10.33asgpem3v78: well, it isn't really a filesystem so some semantics may be lost even thought it is treated as such
21:10.47termitit shows deb http://security.debian.org/etch/updates main contrib
21:11.14termitand deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etchupdates main contrib
21:11.24termitand the cdrom as well
21:11.25smudgeinator1I have my system set up to prefer packages from the stable tree... but to show me packages from the testing and unstable trees too..
21:11.48adb!sources
21:11.48dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
21:12.00dudemansmudgeinator1, that could mean a few diff things
21:12.03smudgeinator1for the stable branch... I like to include all of:
21:12.04smudgeinator1http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
21:12.10smudgeinator1ftp://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
21:12.20smudgeinator1ftp://http.us.debian.org/debian/ proposed-updates main contrib non-free
21:12.24dudemanWHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO!!!!
21:12.25dudemanffs.
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21:13.00smudgeinator1(though you can/should substitute http for ftp)
21:13.15termitput those in? thanks :)
21:13.37adbtermit: make sure you have >>>  deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main
21:13.40smudgeinator1I defer to dpkg, of course.
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21:18.28oOarthurOoHey guys.... everything is running very nice. I just wanted to come by and say thanks without asking a question. This channel has been super helpful and kind everytime I come by. Thanks
21:18.46smudgeinator1:)
21:19.08Zharfwhoa
21:19.10Zharfsurprising
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21:21.37oOarthurOoI just can't believe abrotman isn't here. I thought he was a bot for the first twenty questions I asked.
21:22.00abrotmani am
21:22.12oOarthurOoSneaky.
21:22.17abrotmani'm playing MGS4
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21:22.52oOarthurOo:) ok... I'll leave you to Mrs. Gamling Shops 4.
21:23.02oOarthurOoGoodnight.
21:23.19oOarthurOo(get the shoes. They're on sale.)
21:23.26abrotmanmetal gear solid
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21:23.46noctehi
21:23.53Octalothi nocte
21:23.53abrotmanstops being OT
21:23.55noctewhen can i find mkinirtd ?
21:23.59noctemkinitrd ?
21:24.03Octalot!search
21:24.03dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
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21:24.16dmoernernocte, it is deprecated in favor of initramfs-tools or yaird
21:24.31abrotmanquite some time ago
21:24.32nocteoh
21:24.42noctedmoerner: i just compile ea new kernel
21:24.48noctebut when i boot with it it told me
21:24.49SeveredCrossOkay, hopefully now my sendmail will work.
21:24.56noctecan't load /lib/modiles/ etc...
21:25.01noctei guess this is because in my grub
21:25.08noctei have the initrd of the old kernel...
21:25.19noctecan i generate a new one with initramfs-tools ?
21:25.45dmoernernocte, in the future, just add the --initrd flag to make-kpkg to automate ramdisk creation.  you can use mkinitramfs -o name-of-initrd-of-choice kernel-revision
21:26.16nocteoh dmoerner thx a lot
21:26.19dmoernerfor instance mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-custom 2.6.18-custom for a custom kernel
21:26.28noctedidn't take care about this flag
21:26.53dmoernerthe final input to mkinitramfs must be the name of the directory in /lib/modules that corresponds to the kernel revision so it knows where to look
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21:27.53nocteoki oki
21:28.40SeveredCrossAnd, dpkg-buildpackage on sendmail didn't build the sendmail binary...WTH.
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21:30.27noctedmoerner: something like
21:30.29nocte# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27.3 2.6.27.3
21:30.30nocte?
21:30.54dmoerneri would think so
21:31.32noctebecause no answer
21:31.40nocteit does not give me the hand
21:31.46noctei must do ctrl + c
21:31.50dmoernerwhat is the "hand"?
21:32.27smudgeinator1I think he means he does not receive a prompt.
21:32.30dudemanhand is like a finger pointer?
21:32.39dudemanhuh?
21:32.55smudgeinator1said he had to Ctrl-C
21:33.13dudemanoh cli
21:33.24dudemanso why don't we just ask him what he means by hand
21:33.28dudemaninsted of speculating
21:33.42smudgeinator1I further speculate that english is not his first language.
21:34.00dudemanit is not a mine either
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21:34.14dudemanso what?
21:34.25stanlinabout?
21:34.36dudemanhuh?
21:34.44stanlinheh?
21:34.48smudgeinator1as with all language, a degree of speculation is part of the act of listening...
21:34.54dudemanwhats the matter of you
21:35.07stanlinmy matter is the computers
21:35.13dudemanok
21:35.13adbSeveredCross: here is my /usr/sbin/   sendmail related , dld them if you needs , http://212.147.107.221/pub/
21:35.31SeveredCrossadb: Actually, I just built sendmail from source on sendmail website, now all works fine.
21:35.35SeveredCrossNot sure why dpkg-buildpackage wasn't building it...
21:35.46SpeConcan somebody tell me wich package i need to view online (in my browser) video's
21:35.53dudemanhey dudes
21:35.53SpeConbecause now i can't see any video's on websites
21:36.05SeveredCrossI think it may have something to do with me restoring this system by copying /etc and /home from another system and then using dpkg --set-selections and apt-get -u dselect-upgrade to restore package selections.
21:36.05dudemanwhat are the good fonts for making programs?
21:36.09SeveredCrossI probably did it wrong.
21:36.18noctedmoerner: perfect
21:36.18noctethx
21:36.23ktwilight_cheers for debian lenny
21:36.23dudemananyone
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21:36.35dudemanI use terminus but it doesn't have a bold attribute
21:36.37dudemanor style
21:36.41SeveredCrossdudeman: Envy Code R.
21:36.42dudemanxfonts-terminus
21:36.52dudemanSeveredCross, is that a font name? i need a deb pacakge name
21:37.07SeveredCrossdudeman: There's no package for it.
21:37.17dudemanin my syntax lighter the some of the stuff is bolded and this font terminus doesn't do the bolding
21:37.24dudemanSeveredCross, is it a free font?
21:37.32SeveredCrossdudeman: Yep.
21:37.35SeveredCross1 sec.
21:37.41SeveredCrosshttp://damieng.com/blog/2008/05/26/envy-code-r-preview-7-coding-font-released
21:38.11SeveredCrossRegular, bold and italic variants, as well as a good chunk of unicode glyphs.
21:38.14dudemanyes but does it have bold?
21:38.16SeveredCrossJust put it in ~/.fonts/
21:38.17dudemanok
21:38.20dudemanthanks
21:38.28dudemanSeveredCross, you are a man
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21:39.58dudemanI mean
21:40.00dudemanyou are the man
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21:40.17SpeConwhy can't i see movies in my browser!!
21:40.20SpeConplease help
21:40.28dudemanSpeCon, you need a browser plugin
21:40.33dudemanSpeCon, which site movies?
21:40.33SpeConwich one dudeman
21:40.37dudemanSpeCon, depends
21:40.41dudemanflash or other media
21:40.45SpeConi c
21:41.16dudemanusually I have a boot luck with mplayer
21:41.19dudemaner.. good*
21:41.26dudemanwow myt ping is totally fucked today
21:41.29whyzzyrddudeman: prolly pornotube :)
21:41.30dudemangives up
21:41.38dudemanhey porn is nice
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21:41.59dudemanbut you have to look at it this way
21:42.11dudemaninstall mplayer-mozilla
21:42.25dudemanbut first you have to /msg dpkg dmm and get the repository inside /etc/apt/sources.list
21:42.45dudemanthen you also can install the flash player into ~/.mozilla/plugins and then you can pretty much watch everything
21:42.58dudemanor is it mozilla-mplayer?
21:43.19SpeConi'm new in debian
21:43.27SpeConso i guess i didn't understand what you are talking about :p
21:43.40dudemanSpeCon, you have an etch system?
21:43.45dudemanSpeCon, you must tell me
21:43.53SpeConi dunno
21:43.56SpeConmy friend installed it
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21:44.00ma3xhi
21:44.00SpeConits the latest version
21:44.02dudemanSpeCon, you can get to commmand line
21:44.04dudeman?
21:44.06SpeConsure
21:44.08SpeConterminal
21:44.17dudemanSpeCon, type in cat /etc/debian_version
21:44.20dudemanma3x, hi
21:44.35SpeContom@octopussy:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
21:44.35SpeConlenny/sid
21:44.35SpeContom@octopussy:~$
21:44.41dudemanok
21:44.50SpeConand yes i want to watch porn now :p
21:44.51ma3xis expresscard hard drive unstable like usb? (keeps resetting)? or is it fine/can you run system partition on it? (boot from it)?
21:44.51dudeman!tell SpeCon -about dmm
21:44.52SpeConlol
21:45.03dudemanyou need to listen to the bot
21:45.15dudemango to the website and follow instructions
21:45.19smudgeinator1heh.. lenny/sid... that would be the latest ;-)
21:45.29SpeConok
21:45.39SpeConisn't it the latest one i have?
21:45.47dudemankeep focused!
21:45.49SpeConnormal its 4.0 ech
21:45.51dudemango do what you were told
21:45.57SpeConokay dudeman doing it now
21:46.19dudemanif you are unsure of a step ask here
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21:46.46smacnayhmm, my Athlon 2800+ is starting to show its age.... getting .. kind .. of .. slow ...
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21:47.05SpeCondudeman, linux is to hard for me i guess
21:47.15SpeConi'm on that website but i dunno much what to do
21:47.33SpeConi used to have mandriva wich i hadn't do all these things to watch or do something else
21:47.35SpeConyou know :s
21:48.38dudemanok
21:48.44dudemanSpeCon, you can edit files in debian?
21:48.46dudemanyou know how?
21:49.03dudemanyou know what
21:49.04dudemannm
21:49.08dudemanhang on i'll tell you a command
21:49.33SpeConwget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - | apt-key add - && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
21:49.39SpeConthats it i guess
21:50.14dudemaneh
21:50.20dudemanno
21:50.23SpeCon?
21:51.14dudemanbecome root!?
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21:51.15SpeConi did
21:51.15SpeConsu
21:51.15dudemanare you root?
21:51.31SpeConyes
21:51.32SpeConE: Kon vergrendeling /var/lib/dpkg/lock niet verkrijgen - open (11 Hulpbron is tijdelijk onbeschikbaar)
21:51.32SpeConE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
21:51.32SpeConoctopussy:/home/tom#
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21:51.38SpeConoops
21:51.50dudemanok something is using a dpkg right now
21:51.51dudemanstop it
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21:52.02dudemanwhen you are not running apt program
21:52.03SpeConsynaptic
21:52.05dudemantype this as root
21:52.07apogeehello need some help please
21:52.09dudemanecho "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install mplayer mozilla-mplayer w32codecs
21:52.16dudemanthat should take care of some things for you
21:52.25dudemanyou should also install flash if you want to watch youtube
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21:52.35SpeConok i do this command now
21:52.36apogeeanyone can help?
21:52.50SpeConworking
21:52.51SpeCon:)
21:53.01dudemanok
21:53.09dudemanyou should now install flashplayer-mozilla
21:53.13SpeCondamz how do you know all these commands i don't understand shit off that lol
21:53.15dudemanaptitude install flashplayermozilla
21:53.16apogeehmmm anyone can help ???
21:53.21dudemaner..
21:53.24dudemanaptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
21:53.26SpeConwhy aptitude and not apt-get install ?
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21:53.31SpeConwhats the difference
21:53.35dudemanbecause I said so
21:53.42stanlinapogee what the deal
21:53.42dudeman!tell SpeCon -about why aptitude
21:53.49EmleyMoor!tell apogee about ask
21:53.58vin`!aptitude install foo
21:54.38apogeestanlin Debian is up and running ,but have one issue with my Realtek RTL 8168 network adapter
21:54.45apogeeisnt working
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21:55.25apogeetrying aptget for some realtek package ...no package there....have installed using amd64 version with DVD #1
21:55.30SpeCondudeman, i did the 2 commands
21:55.37SpeCongoing to try it out
21:55.50stanlinapogee amd64 sucks, use 686
21:55.52dudemanSpeCon, what?
21:56.03dudemanSpeCon, you should have flash instaleld if youtub eworks
21:56.07apogeeoh
21:56.09dudemanSpeCon, you are good then
21:56.15dudemanstanlin, you suck
21:56.18dudemanstop spreading lies
21:56.22SpeCondude its not on youtube
21:56.30dudemanSpeCon, whatever
21:56.31apogeedownloaded it cause im using an AMD Phenom CPU
21:56.40dudemanyou should have video playback now for any format
21:56.53SpeConand youtube isn't working either
21:56.56stanlinapogee i do have AMD 64 as well, but i use i386, because everything works fine. AMD64 wont improve any speed on your desktop
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21:56.59dudemanless flash, becasue I didn't tell you isntall ilt, if you already have it install then you're good otherwise install flash too
21:57.05SpeConshould i reboot for it to work ?
21:57.09dudemanno
21:57.11dudeman!reboot
21:57.11dpkgYou want to reboot for WHAT??  If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot.  Ask me about <qotd2>.
21:57.21dudeman!qotd2
21:57.21dpkg<mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
21:57.51SpeConwell its not working
21:57.54apogeeStanlin my realtek adapter card is supported with 686 or i386?
21:57.58dudeman!not working
21:58.02dudeman!doesn't work'
21:58.03SpeConi did aptitude install flash
21:58.04dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
21:58.04SpeConalso
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21:58.07dmoernerdudeman, msg the bot please
21:58.15EmleyMoorI cope fine with true amd64 on mine but to use it is by no means compulsory
21:58.21dudemandmoerner, ok
21:58.24stanlinapogee add to grub, 386 and 686 kernel, and both with those 2, and you will see the difference
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21:58.30dudeman!tell dmoerner -about msg the bot
21:58.33SpeConwell i still can't see the movie i wanna see in my browser
21:58.41dudemanstrange request... but whatever
21:58.41abrotmandudeman: what was the point of that?
21:58.42SpeConi also don't use mozilla but the standard browser in debian
21:58.50dudemanabrotman, ask dmoerner
21:58.59abrotmandudeman: try using !tell ..
21:59.05dudemanI have been
21:59.09apogeeokay ty
21:59.13abrotmandoesn't look like it
21:59.17dudemanlook I'm not in the fucking mood.
21:59.19dudemanalright.
21:59.19dmoernerdudeman, you asked for the qotd twice. if you want to tell someone about reboot or not working factoids then use !tell
21:59.30abrotmannot in the mood for what?
21:59.45dudemandmoerner, you're right.  Thank you
21:59.50dudemanabrotman, seriously...
21:59.59abrotmanthen don't be here ...
22:00.02apogeestanlin will i have to remove Grub to re install ?
22:00.25dudemanwhatever man
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22:00.32stanlinapogee using aptitude, you just install kernel-386
22:00.40abrotmanlinux-image-686
22:00.53abrotmanor -486 or whichever you want
22:00.54dudemandon't need your crap today
22:00.58abrotmanthen don't be here ...
22:01.17dudemanyou should stop trying to give me crap instead. I'm not going anywhere.
22:01.19stanlindudeman, calm down, take some prozac or something
22:01.27apogeestanlin so i login  as root in console then
22:01.28dudemanI'm calm, I'm only trying to help
22:01.32dudemanI'm getting attacked
22:01.42abrotmandudeman: you've been asked before to msg the bot and use !tell
22:01.55apogeestnalin please whats the command to start aptitude?
22:02.05abrotmanaptitude install linux-image-686
22:02.06dudemanabrotman, yes and just now for a few factoids I felt like using tell, and for some I didn't
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22:02.17dudemanI made the judgement call, that some factoids I want to make public
22:02.25dudemanwhy is this is a problem for you?
22:02.32abrotmanwhy is it hard for you?
22:02.33dudemanplease scroll up and read.
22:02.47stanlinapogee for example using root: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21.19-generic    (this suppot x86 and x86_64bits)
22:02.58abrotmanstanlin: that's ubuntu
22:03.04oOarthurOoi hope not to get burnt, by stepping into these flames, but I've always wondered about tell and msg the bot. Sometimes people tell me msg. Sometimes people tell me tell. Which is which and when to use. Is there some guidelines I can read?
22:03.07abrotmanand will definitely NOT work on debian
22:03.10stanlinhides
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22:03.24dmoernerdudeman, why did you thanks me when I explained it to you but blow up at abrotman? please just try to relax
22:03.28stanlinsorry, was lazy to turn on the debian box
22:03.44dudemandmoerner, because he is usually a dick to me, and you're just being a good dude, he is not.
22:03.50abrotmandudeman: stop already
22:03.57dmoerneroOarthurOo, if you want to tell someone something, say dpkg, tell person -about factoid or !tell person -about factoid. to tell yourself someting just /msg dpkg factoid
22:04.11dudemandmoerner, if you wish to discuss this further you can /msg me
22:04.14oOarthurOoI see.
22:04.51apogeestanlin hopefully this image exists in the dvd #1
22:04.52stanlinapogee as abrotman said : aptitude install linux-image-686   (then reboot and select the 686 kernel instead of amd686)
22:05.08dmoerneroOarthurOo, sometimes you should just do a factoid in the open--for instance a !find, or you can do something else. but it's good to be discrete about flooding the channel
22:05.18stanlinapogee use network repositories <.<
22:05.35stanlinamd64*
22:06.25apogeenetwork repositories?
22:07.46apogeeill try ,ty for help:)
22:07.48oOarthurOodmoerner: thanks. Learning this stuff is good.
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22:08.58stanlinsaturday many people is drunk , rite dudeman :D
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22:09.01googAnyone here who knows how to run an internet nameserver? Is it possible to do that? Which might me a good channel for this?
22:09.52simonrvngoog: many people. yes. try #bind
22:09.57abrotmangoog: or #dns
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22:10.03abrotmanor read the Bind ARM
22:10.16mewshiHow do I find out why my computer isn't making any sound?
22:10.18dudemanstanlin, I do not drink.  I just don't apreciate being jumped for trying to help someone.
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22:10.44googsimonrvn: not sure if i made myself clear. i want to run a machine that can be asked "which ip belongs to somedomain.com" and it knows the ip of every domain.
22:10.49stanlindudeman: we are communists here ;)
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22:10.50abrotman!tell mewshi about alsa checklist
22:10.51googabrotman: ok, will go there
22:11.01dudemanwhatever
22:11.10simonrvngoog: yes, i understand.
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22:11.28petemcgoog: bind9 works out of the box as a caching nameserver, you just need to install it
22:11.28f00bar80is stable debian supported on MSI wind notebook /Proc intel Atom
22:11.43triflerbah darn that i don't any speakers for my crontab alarmclock :S
22:11.53stanlinf00bar80: good question, going to buy a wind tomorrow
22:12.19f00bar80stanlin, so is debian supported ?
22:12.48f00bar80stanlin, do you think is it better or Asus Eee ?
22:12.52Lzf00bar80: does it work?
22:12.55abrotmanf00bar80: maybe see linux-laptop.net
22:12.58googpetec: i want to get informed of every domain that is newly registered. well, probably one has to be an "official" nameserver for this.
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22:13.01stanlinf00bar80: i have doubts, but probably with etch and half, if not Ubuntu
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22:13.12simonrvngoog: um, what?
22:13.14abrotmanf00bar80: i'd guess lenny may work a bit better
22:13.41stanlinf00bar80: yes i think its better than the EEE, im going to install games on the MSI, actually im buying it for my daughter :D
22:14.07f00bar80abrotman, how to install debian at the time there's no a cd drive , memory stick boot ?
22:14.11triflerasus eee is a joke imho.
22:14.20trakinashi guys! Im having some troubles with a korean pdf... it is not recognised by my system. ls outputs ??? ???? for the file properties and file output errors.
22:14.22triflerf00bar80: pxe?
22:14.25googsimonrvn: i would like to know, which domains get newly registered.
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22:14.32f00bar80trifler, pxe ?
22:14.33abrotmanf00bar80: i don't see why not .. maybe see wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for some hints
22:14.40triflerf00bar80: boot over the network
22:14.48stanlinf00bar80: the MSI wind im ordering comes with 320gb HD + 2 GB ram
22:15.01dudemanwhats with that random number
22:15.03dudeman320
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22:15.03trakinas(if paste bin cooperates, i will paste the errors. hehe)
22:15.04f00bar80stanlin, for how much ?
22:15.22stanlin600$
22:15.22abrotmanf00bar80: obviously for the EeePC .. but might help you ask the right people/questions
22:15.25simonrvngoog: i think you need t understand dns and whois better first
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22:15.48stanlinthere is a channel for the #msi wind, i cant recall the name
22:16.04f00bar80abrotman, but i see that wifi support is not yet stable
22:16.13dudemannothing is stable dude
22:16.14abrotmanf00bar80: for your Wind? or the eeepc?
22:16.22dudemaneverything is just working until it bugs out
22:16.35abrotmanf00bar80: #msiwind
22:16.35stanlinthere we go again
22:16.40enouff00bar80: why bother - go get a 450$ compaq/hp at bestbuy :-P
22:16.45dudemandon't
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22:16.51dudemanoh you better be joking
22:16.57dudemanlol, thats a horrible waste of money
22:17.02dudemaninstead give it to a homeless guy
22:17.11abrotmanit's his money, let him buy what he wants
22:17.12heavenquakeWhere do I configure my keymap? :)
22:17.15enouf15.4" screen , Core2Duo, 2GB Ram, 5400rpm drive, etc
22:17.17abrotman!tell heavenquake about keymap
22:17.23dudemanunlike you, I give a shit about people
22:17.27stanlinf00bar80: http://forums.msiwind.net/post20871.html  << MSI + debian lenny
22:17.29enoufoh stop!
22:17.31abrotmandudeman: stop already
22:17.32mewshihow do I install alsaconf?
22:17.39abrotmanmewshi: aptitude install alsa-utils
22:17.42enoufmewshi: alsa-utils
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22:17.50mewshigracias
22:17.50chafferwoohoo
22:17.55enoufson of a b*** lag ..
22:18.03chafferthanks to you guys, I finally got x and gnome installed
22:18.13dudemanI'm sorry what?
22:18.16chafferonly two more thinks left :P
22:18.24dudemanenouf, you missed an *
22:18.39dudemanchaffer, firefox!.. iceweasel I mean
22:18.43dudemanchaffer, and mplayer! ;)
22:18.49enoufabrotman: yes, i concur about letting someone buy what they want - however, i regularly bash crap proprietary hardware - and i won't stop ;-)
22:19.02chaffernope :P
22:19.10chafferI need to get wireless and a higher resolution
22:19.22dudemanneither will I, its always good to advise
22:19.23chafferI didn't pick the right res when I set up x :\
22:19.35dudemanI'd rahter not see someone throw thir money away, even if they can and its thiers
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22:19.48dudemanchaffer, xrandr maybe
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22:19.58chafferwhat is xrandr?
22:20.02dudemanchaffer, you can also use grandr is a gtk2 frontend fo rit
22:20.07stanlinI'm buying a MSI wind for my daughter, she has 4.
22:20.12dudemando /msg dpkg xrandr
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22:20.32enoufstanlin: has 4 years? or has 4 MSI winds?
22:20.58triflerwoulden't that make it five? :)
22:21.06stanlinenouf: just 1 wing
22:21.11stanlinwind*
22:21.20dudemanwhy is it called that
22:21.21enoufintel atom is like .. a slow piece of crap :-P
22:21.30dudemansuch a strange name
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22:21.45enoufdudeman: it floats/flies on the wind next to the airbook?
22:21.47dudemanatom processor, look its one atom, can't do jack shit, but sounds cool, lets try to sell it!
22:21.57dudemancompetition ahh I see, marketing stuff
22:22.02dmoernerenouf, my eee pc loves its atom :)
22:22.14dudemaneeepc is nice, I love the little thing
22:22.24dudemanso light and tiny and takes little battery
22:22.25trifleroO
22:22.43enoufdmoerner: oh crap, those have the atom too? oh well, all those 7" screens are nothing more than oversized palm pilots/handhelds :-P
22:22.57dudemandmoerner, and I've lost two pilots already!
22:23.00dudemanenouf, ^
22:23.10stanlinenouf: Atom is enough for a child....
22:23.12enoufouch
22:23.13trakinashere it is: http://pastecode.com/10858
22:23.14dudemanbut eeepc is too small to be uncomfotable
22:23.17dudemanand too big to lose
22:23.23dudemanso its good
22:23.24dmoerner9" now
22:23.29enoufstanlin: you didn't say your daughter was a child ... yet ;-)
22:23.31trakinassorry for not being able to output in english.
22:24.08trakinasany help will be appreciated. now, i have to go. will be away for a long time. thanks in advance.
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22:24.13dudemandoes that say could not enter directory
22:24.14dudeman?
22:24.14enouftrakinas: use export LANG=C
22:24.24xcwhi
22:24.53enoufor just "LANG=C <command> ... "
22:25.04enoufbut that's for each command you run then
22:25.39blubberdiblubtrakinas, looks like a corrupt filesystem
22:26.11trakinashttp://pastecode.com/10861
22:27.30blubberdiblubstill looks like a corrupt filesystem
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22:29.10abrotmantrakinas: done a filesystem check yet?
22:29.25stanlinenouf I prefer to give her a msi wind, instead of playstation or xbox, thats junk
22:30.14enoufstanlin: ok, sure ...
22:31.19stanlinIll install there debian, and all the boring games we have on Linux
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22:36.00oOarthurOodamn. I hoped to go 24 hours without asking a question... well, I know how to get flash working in mozilla. Download the latest flash plugin, and copy it to the right folder and bam, bob's my uncle
22:36.37oOarthurOoBut is this the best way, for someone running Lenny and wanting to have a secure and stable system? Or is there simply no choice.
22:37.07oOarthurOoGnash doesn't cut it. It's good, but not there yet for some reason.
22:37.57mewshiOk, now I'm having trouble getting ZSNES to output any sound :(
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22:38.09mewshimplayer outputs sound just fine...
22:38.14mewshiwhat's the problem?
22:38.30sophaclesoOarthurOo, if you add the non-free to your sources.list you can just apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
22:38.42stanlinwhat is zsnes?
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22:39.27chafferHow do I set up wireless?
22:39.31oOarthurOosophacles: really, I haven't tried that. I installed lenny sometime ago and at the time that option wasn't availble.
22:39.35mewshiIt's an SNES emulator
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22:40.27sophaclesoOarthurOo, it might be contrib instead of non-free but i only have one line in my sources.list right now....
22:40.28oOarthurOoyup... nstall flashplugin-nonfree
22:40.34oOarthurOono candidate found
22:40.34stanlinmewshi: does Snes supports Debian?
22:40.49oOarthurOoThere was a disagreement between debian and adobe
22:41.21oOarthurOonot surprising... anyone who needs a 100MB program to read a pdf isn't exactly someone to trust.
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22:41.32EmleyMoorhas h
22:42.04xcwI'm trying to compile xv on lenny and get error: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory
22:42.22xcwhow can i find which package is missing or has something changed?
22:42.23EmleyMoorhas just reversed all his manual clocks so as to read GMT
22:42.29oOarthurOoAt the same time, flash is becoming so central to web experience that Debian must be conflicted about supporting the flash-plugin
22:42.30mewshistanlin: it should, considering that debian makes a zsnes package
22:43.04oOarthurOoI appreicate their stance, I just wish there was a developers external repo that had it and had updates.
22:43.13dmoernerxcw, it's in libxt-dev. you can use apt-file to search for things like that.
22:43.31dmoerneroOarthurOo, it will be on backports.org when lenny releases
22:43.53EmleyMoorFortunately a lot of kit handles this automatically - even transparently in Debian's case
22:44.05oOarthurOodmoerner: Maybe.... but from what I've read, I have my doubts.
22:44.29sophaclesoOarthurOo, im not sure what you're talking about, i apt-get installed it yesterday on a new lenny box for the new guy at work
22:44.31xcwthanks dmoerner
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22:45.24EmleyMoorWish Debian ran my heating
22:46.20abrotmanit could!
22:46.37EmleyMoorIt couldi indeed
22:46.53cafuegoCome to linux.conf.au to find out how
22:46.56dmoerneroOarthurOo, swfdec works fine for me on my systems when i don't use adobe. check out http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=28572
22:47.08oOarthurOohttp://pastebin.com/m6a7bb3f6   proof positive
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22:47.18EmleyMoorI am considering X10 or simiar when I move
22:47.28EmleyMoorsimilar even
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22:49.20oOarthurOodmoerner: I'll give that a try. I really want to stick with Lenny supported stuff.
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22:55.33oOarthurOoI thought maybe because I'd installed vlc-mozilla plugin it would handle the flash stuff as well, I thought (remembered) it could play flash files
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23:00.15Givvadewhich port is the x forwarded to?
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23:07.20stanlinanyone has a bluetooth mice?
23:07.22enoufinstalls debian onto EmleyMoor 's toaster oven ; enjoy the heat :-P
23:07.28jamonGivvade: if you don't know what port, check "netstat -tupln"
23:08.11Givvadeah, ok, thx..
23:08.40oOarthurOoouch... swfdec hurts my browser
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23:09.09chafferhow do I enable wireless in debian?
23:09.12oOarthurOoAnyone runnign swfdec now? Try visitin www.crooksandliars.com
23:09.36enoufFlashCrapPoopShit sucks ass
23:09.55oOarthurOoI thought flash was open sourced.
23:10.00abrotmannot even close
23:10.06stanlinswfdec kinda buggy
23:10.07enoufenjoy your dilemmas
23:10.39oOarthurOoI really don't mind saying "f you flash", but I want the best support that lenny can give me. Is swfdec the best?
23:11.10stanlinoOarthurOo: install adobe flash
23:12.25oOarthurOostanlin: I could, But if I runnig flash was more important than free and stable software I'd run ubuntu.
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23:12.46oOarthurOoI'm willing to go without rather than mess up my lenny install
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23:12.58oOarthurOowhich will soon be stable
23:13.06oOarthurOo"fingers crossed"
23:13.09stanlinoOarthurOo: its easy to install flash
23:13.11oOarthurOom:)
23:13.25segosa-how come 2.6.27 isn't in lenny/unstable
23:13.37segosa-sid/unstable rather
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23:15.42abrotmansegosa-: preparing for lenny release i suppose .. lenny will have .26
23:16.18segosa-what does lenny have right now?
23:16.21segosa-i know stable has 18
23:16.44dmoernersegosa-, it has 2.6.26. if you are running sid and want to help test the new 2.6.27 kernel it has been built: http://stats.buildserver.net/packages/status.php?email=debian-kernel&packages=&arches=&subdist=kernel-dists
23:16.56dudemandude
23:17.06segosa-hm
23:17.07dudemanflash does not suck ass, its trite application sucsk ass
23:17.28dudemanthe technology itself is very useful, if used in the appropriate manner
23:17.32themillloves it how people are able to complain about sid not having the latest but are unable to find out what versions it has for themselves.
23:17.54dudemanthemill, don't lie.  you don't love that
23:18.20themillturns sarcasm off for the sake of the north americans.
23:18.22segosa-themill: well i thought that lenny had 26, and sid just had a later version of 26, but i suspect i messed something up. it was a while ago when i changed to sid from lenny.
23:18.29dudemanand something sucking because its non-free is a bad argument
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23:18.55dudemanthemill, it wasn't needed and or uncalled for.  Rest assured I go it.  It was still wasted however.
23:19.05dudemans/un/-un
23:19.13themill:)
23:19.40dudemanu da man ;)
23:19.41dmoernersegosa-, lenny has 2.6.26-8, sid has -9, -10 is on the way, to be exact.
23:19.50segosa-ah
23:20.04stanlindudeman: thanks
23:20.05dudemanwhoah I hav e-1
23:20.10dudemanstanlin, you are most welcome
23:20.48dudemanwhoah 800+mb or updates on lenny goddamn!!
23:20.48segosa-this may be a stupid question but i don't get why when i do uname -a it only shows 2.6.26-1 even if i have -8, -9, whatever
23:20.50Ridehhey, weird question but i remember within kde there was an app that allowed you to add a terminal that was accessable via ~ like the console in a fps.     Does anyone know a program for windows that would allow me to do the same for putty or a tool like it?
23:21.06abrotmansegosa-: it's showing you the ABI version .. not the build number
23:21.16abrotmanerm .. not the package version
23:21.42dudemandude how fast/much is testing updated?
23:21.51dudemandaily? twice daily? weekly?
23:22.08abrotmancurrently twice daily
23:22.29dudemanhas it ever been different?
23:22.32abrotmanyes
23:22.38dudemanI thought as much
23:22.48dudemanI thought I was going crazy for a sec
23:23.55dmoernerRideh, yakuake does that, you can also check out yeahconsole
23:24.09stanlincrazy thoughts...
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23:24.43Ridehdmoerner: righton - yea i'm doing a lot of linux admin / setup stuff but my laptop is windows so i was looking for that functionality as next best thing ;)
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23:37.21cafuegoyeah sorry, I had beans
23:37.44jelly-homeoh man! /setaway
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23:40.47unanyone know why "https://nm.debian.org/newnm.php" gives an invalid certificate to firefox?
23:40.57unmine at least...
23:41.10enouffarts
23:41.12cafuegocoz it's self-signed
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23:45.19uncafuego: oh, thx... just curious... im trying to read up on the gpg key for the application... not a guru (yet)...
23:45.21S[e]Chola alguien sabe donde puedo descargar los 3 dvds de debian pk no puedo desde la web
23:45.25abrotman!es
23:45.26dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:46.50unso an openpgp key is different from a gnupg key, yes?
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23:48.04akiohmm
23:48.13akiohello
23:48.14joltcanSounds stupid if they are, as there is a nice, big infrastucture for gpg / pgp keys already
23:48.56akioi was wondering why etch's default setup in text mode does not accept vga=791 as a kernopt?
23:49.15unjoltcan: ahh... trying the new maintainer's checklist but gpg keys are throwin me off... can't be harder than C i just need to read more...
23:49.42joltcanun: Signed gpg key?
23:49.49akioor am i looking at this the wrong way?
23:50.00akiodo i need to run console-setup?
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23:51.27unjoltcan: ? i have a gpg key signed already (by me), but dunno how to send it to a keyserver... not sure what that key's 'id' is...
23:51.48enoufakio: vga=791 works
23:51.54akionot on my setup
23:52.02joltcanun: specify a keyserver in .gnupg/gpg.conf
23:52.12enoufakio: your video card is ati? well you have a weird resolution laptopm?
23:52.14akiogives the message unkown calue press enter or space to continue message
23:52.28enoufakio: 791 == 1024x768x16
23:52.39joltcanun: then gpg --send-keys yourkeyid, thats it
23:53.08akioits a dell dimension 2400 with an intel chip
23:53.21akioseems normal to me
23:53.24unjoltcan: i knew that much... i just don't know my keyid... --list-keys showed the listing, but none of that data was the keyid in question
23:53.50akioi remember messing with intelfb but that was a nightmare
23:53.52unjoltcan: i probably shouldn't be bothering this channel with my ignorance...
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23:54.22enoufakio: see http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology "Linux video mode numbers"
23:54.27akiointelfb isnt even in apt
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23:54.44joltcanun: gpg --list-keys your@email, then use that key id (right after pub)
23:54.45akio(im in text mode, here goes elinks)
23:54.46enouf791 just happens to be the one most often used, and most widespread avail res
23:55.03akioi have a 1024x768 screen
23:55.08unjoltcan: hmmm... i did, i got a "Not a key: ... " error
23:55.16enoufakio: kernel /Documentation/fb/*
23:55.23akioi have used that option with this screen before
23:55.39akioill check those docs
23:55.41akiobrb
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23:56.17joltcanun: without the 1024D or whatever length you have
23:56.17enoufpresumes it's not an ati card due to mention of intelfb :-P
23:56.21Gm4nis there anything like bmon, except for cpu usage?
23:56.33unjoltcan: thanks, that was the problem
23:56.48enoufmany things Gm4n
23:57.01enoufdepends if you want pretty GUI or console, etc
23:57.07Gm4nI want console gui :)
23:57.13enoufconky for gui? lmao
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23:57.30akioi have the driver but not Docs
23:57.31Gm4nkinda like bmon... ascii graph of cpu usage over time
23:57.35enoufgkrellm has applets for gnome?
23:57.54Gm4nhas to be terminal-based, I haven't installed X on my box :)
23:57.55enoufwell - ascii graph? offhand i dunno
23:58.18enoufsee libstatgrab for starters, no graph though
23:58.44akioi can't find docs for intelfb
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23:59.07mius_hm, i installed fglrx, hardware acceleration works fine, glxgears stats are ok, but if i resize windows under xfce, its lagging
23:59.08enoufhttp://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/saidar.png
23:59.15mius_maybe i can tune my xorg?
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23:59.29enoufakio: try harder
23:59.53akiokernel-manual?
23:59.57enoufGm4n: how about htop :-)

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