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| 00:00.31 | enouf | akio: google what i posted |
| 00:00.47 | enouf | kernel /Documentation/fb/ |
| 00:01.02 | Gm4n | wow, very pretty |
| 00:01.06 | akio | the space is really limited on this screen, could you please repost - i don't know how to copy/paste on terminals |
| 00:01.20 | cafuego | akio: pg-up to scroll back |
| 00:01.30 | akio | not on tinyirc |
| 00:01.31 | enouf | i just did |
| 00:01.39 | enouf | or shift+pageup |
| 00:01.41 | cafuego | akio: and ciopy/paste by installing `gpm' and using that |
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| 00:02.04 | cafuego | or run the whole lot in `screen' |
| 00:02.19 | cafuego | if you're using a terminal, you want screen anyway. |
| 00:02.20 | enouf | !screen+irssi |
| 00:02.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen+irssi is run "crontab -e" and add "@reboot screen -S irssi -d -m irssi", then (after next reboot) you can attach to irssi using "screen -x irssi" |
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| 00:03.18 | akio | fbcon? |
| 00:04.17 | akio | cool |
| 00:04.31 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/fb/ |
| 00:04.53 | dustybin | is there a way to keep all your firefox links in the 'cloud' ? i _hate_ copying over links all the time from different desktops i use |
| 00:05.08 | quagga | if i've determined that nfsv4 is not worth it, then samba - samba would be the simplest way of filesharing between two debian boxes correct? |
| 00:05.11 | dmoerner_ | dustybin, there are plugins that let you do that. |
| 00:05.16 | enouf | wait - alter the .26 to |
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| 00:05.24 | jamon | dustybin: delicious? |
| 00:05.31 | akio | im running 2.6.18 |
| 00:05.32 | dustybin | jamon: never heard of it |
| 00:05.41 | un | dustybin: there is a ff add on to store your links online... if that's what you mean... |
| 00:05.43 | dustybin | any good? |
| 00:05.46 | enouf | wait - alter the .26 to .18 in the URL or upgrade your kernel to .24 or .26 (backports) |
| 00:05.47 | akio | that page is for 2.6.26 |
| 00:05.50 | dustybin | un: yep |
| 00:05.55 | cafuego | quagga: only if one user is using the shares |
| 00:06.21 | quagga | cafuego: generally, that would be the case |
| 00:06.24 | cafuego | quagga: You might want to try out fuse and sshfs as well. I just use nfsv3. |
| 00:06.51 | quagga | cafuego: yes, i've done nfsv3 in the past and most of the data is on both machines, synced with unison |
| 00:07.07 | dustybin | i found this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/0.2/Release_Notes |
| 00:07.10 | quagga | cafuego: however, for some big files, i want to access those off of the workstation directly |
| 00:07.11 | akio | i don't know how to do that in a terminal |
| 00:07.18 | cafuego | quagga: My issue with cifs is that on the server end you're logged in, so all data is written as that uid. |
| 00:07.33 | cafuego | quagga: if that's not a concern, samba will be fine. |
| 00:07.48 | quagga | cafuego: that's acceptable. there shouldn't be anyone else on these machines beyond me :) |
| 00:08.04 | un | what's the best way to get myself ID'd for the New Maintainer's Application... i'm good on the rest of the checklist... |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | un: you mean your key signing ? |
| 00:08.31 | dustybin | https://services.mozilla.com/ <--- does this address work for anyone else? |
| 00:08.35 | quagga | cafuego: thanks! |
| 00:08.47 | abrotman | no |
| 00:09.01 | un | abrotman: yeah, but the policy says a Debian Developer has to Identify me, before he signs the key |
| 00:09.13 | akio | i think its video=791 |
| 00:09.22 | akio | im going to try that |
| 00:09.29 | jamon | un, find a debian dev in your city :) |
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| 00:09.53 | un | jamon: that's pretty funny... im positive im the only one in this city... lol... |
| 00:10.02 | cafuego | un: Easiest is to find a local DD or go to a Linux conference with a signing aprty |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | un: none near you? you can't be the onyl debian person in SC |
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| 00:10.49 | un | im low on cash... as in no cash at all... so i can't leave the pit im in... and there are _no_ debian ppl here... |
| 00:10.54 | cafuego | SC is a city now? |
| 00:11.04 | cafuego | Sim City? |
| 00:11.07 | dustybin | un: get a job |
| 00:11.12 | un | cafuego: lol... no, but i can't leave this city |
| 00:11.24 | un | dustybin: i have kidney stones 24/7/365 |
| 00:11.37 | cafuego | Then the mountain should come to Mohammed, no? |
| 00:11.40 | dustybin | eek |
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| 00:12.24 | cafuego | un: Migrate to a country with a useful public health system. |
| 00:12.35 | cafuego | s/useful// |
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| 00:13.01 | quagga | if he can't leave his city, how would he migrate countries? |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | move the city? |
| 00:13.19 | un | cafuego: that'd be nice... |
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| 00:14.09 | enouf | video=intelfb:1024x768-32@75 <-but make the Vert/Hor refresh {k}Hz correct |
| 00:14.11 | cafuego | Or you know, vote for someone who would have a vague hope of introducing such a thing |
| 00:14.32 | dudeman | FAT |
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| 00:15.03 | enouf | goes for a bit .. bbl homeys |
| 00:15.14 | M3ta|ph03n1X | did vlc 9.4 make it to debian etch 4.0r5 ? |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | M3ta|ph03n1X: packages.debian.org |
| 00:15.37 | enouf | !4.0r5 |
| 00:15.37 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r5 was released on October 23rd, 2008. http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081023 |
| 00:15.51 | cafuego | !info vlc etch |
| 00:16.18 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 1110 kB, Installed size: 3048 kB |
| 00:16.25 | cafuego | guess |
| 00:16.28 | quagga | i only see 0.9.4 in experimental |
| 00:17.38 | un | ok so there is no other way... crap... i guess i'll go hobo style and get enough to make it to some kind of linux conference... I'm going to hunt the next SC one... thanks for the help, i'd have never figured out the gpg thing... |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | un: did you ask your AM ? |
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| 00:19.07 | un | haven't done the application yet... just now got the gpg uploaded, and it's not signed yet... Isn't that required... |
| 00:19.58 | jamon | un: maybe someone from charlotte NC will come visit you if you ask pretty :) |
| 00:20.05 | un | lol |
| 00:20.43 | jamon | or atlanta if you're real nice |
| 00:20.47 | un | the only gnu's i know are the one's i converted from doze... |
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| 00:22.13 | un | anyway, thanks, i gtg... |
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| 00:24.53 | oklinux | can printer work with cups only ? |
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| 00:25.15 | stanlin | do you still use printers? |
| 00:25.26 | oklinux | yes |
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| 00:25.40 | oklinux | is a hplaserjet 1018 |
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| 00:25.53 | jaggz- | why's this java program run so slow on my system? the programmer said, under windows, it runs in 5 minutes for all its file processing -- but for me it takes 10 times that long. (I'm in etch) |
| 00:26.16 | cafuego | stanlin: it's the only way to read emails on the toilet isn't it? |
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| 00:26.29 | jamon | ultraportable laptop? |
| 00:26.34 | cafuego | jaggz-: which java version are you using? |
| 00:26.36 | jamon | epaper? |
| 00:26.52 | cafuego | jamon: They all cost lots |
| 00:27.07 | cafuego | trees are close to free |
| 00:27.09 | jamon | so does printer toner |
| 00:27.15 | stanlin | cafuego: this is handy http://blog.pcnews.ro/wp-content/photo/2007/02/t1.jpg |
| 00:27.49 | cafuego | has a laserjet 6 - toner lasts for ever |
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| 00:28.32 | jaggz- | Java 2 runtime environment... Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_14-b03, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 00:28.32 | stanlin | wonders what is laserjet? spaceship Jet? |
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| 00:30.04 | cafuego | oklinux: Looks like openprinting.org has database issues, sorry |
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| 00:32.04 | stanlin | what is openprinting? |
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| 00:43.09 | nmourey | I have an old Symbios Logic 53c875J SCSI controller connected to a ATLAS15K SCSI drive. Instead of reporting the drive as 36GiB it reports it as 2.1TiB. This only occurs on kernel 2.6.27 and later. I get these messages in syslog : end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4294967168. Once again only on the new 2.6.27 kernel. TIA. |
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| 00:49.23 | BRB_RSI | greetings |
| 00:49.51 | cafuego | ehlo |
| 00:50.13 | BRB_RSI | is it possible to shrink XFS partitions with LVM? |
| 00:50.45 | Lagbolt | BRB_RSI, i dont think you can shink xfs partitions at all |
| 00:50.48 | cafuego | I'm not sure if you can shrink XFS full stop |
| 00:51.00 | BRB_RSI | ah just as I thought |
| 00:51.07 | Lagbolt | thats why i dont use it |
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| 00:51.21 | BRB_RSI | I'll have to convert it to ext2, then shrink it, then convert it back to xfs |
| 00:51.24 | cafuego | uses it but only ever expands it. |
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| 00:51.30 | Lagbolt | that and my buddy lost ALL his data using xfs :( |
| 00:51.32 | Lagbolt | was awful |
| 00:52.13 | BRB_RSI | I like XFS, it's fast |
| 00:52.44 | cafuego | Yup. Copes with mythtv recordings somewhat better than ext3 |
| 00:53.13 | BRB_RSI | it's good with my large virtual machines |
| 00:53.33 | cafuego | that's what the mythtv backend is ;-) |
| 00:53.53 | Lagbolt | BRB_RSI, yeah you can delete big files yay |
| 00:54.12 | Lagbolt | cafuego, mythtv has a nice feature for deleting with ext3 now to aid in the slowness of ext |
| 00:54.17 | cafuego | Lagbolt: You can write them without the system shitting itself as well. |
| 00:54.45 | Lagbolt | cafuego, is that cause of the journal? my myth is ext2 :) |
| 00:55.04 | cafuego | ext3/nfs seemed to have it hang whilst flushing the io buffer, where XFS does not. |
| 00:55.39 | cafuego | and xfs seems subjectively faster on my build partitions |
| 00:55.47 | Lagbolt | jfs is nice too |
| 00:56.14 | cafuego | I've never played with that, so if i started looking now I still wouldn't use it in production until 2010 ;-) |
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| 00:56.34 | BRB_RSI | I use JFS on my laptop |
| 00:56.46 | cafuego | uses a tuned ext3 on his laptop |
| 00:56.46 | BRB_RSI | saves alot of power |
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| 00:56.56 | Lagbolt | BRB_RSI, hibernates ok? |
| 00:57.15 | BRB_RSI | yes |
| 00:57.31 | Lagbolt | i have seen a few laptops go down in the hibernate with other FS's. might have been coincidence but it makes me nervous |
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| 01:13.32 | mecca | pwd |
| 01:13.50 | dudeman | seriously wat the fuck is with freenode |
| 01:13.54 | Lz | /home/mecca |
| 01:14.00 | dudeman | I get disconnected at leat 10 times a fucking day |
| 01:14.02 | dudeman | its irritting |
| 01:14.15 | dudeman | tating |
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| 01:14.29 | mecca | Thanks :) |
| 01:15.15 | cafuego | dudeman: Is that a freenode issue? |
| 01:15.19 | dudeman | yes |
| 01:15.23 | cafuego | dudeman: I stay connected for weeks at a time |
| 01:15.23 | dudeman | it doesnt' happen on any other networks |
| 01:15.35 | dudeman | cafuego, what server do you use? |
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| 01:16.03 | cafuego | verne.freenode.net currently |
| 01:16.21 | dudeman | well, my only logical conclusion is that freenode is fucke dup |
| 01:16.32 | dudeman | I am on a few other networks and I've been connected for days |
| 01:16.43 | cafuego | that would mean the same disconnect issues should apply to all others |
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| 01:16.47 | cads | what software would you guys suggest for profiling the processes running on my system? |
| 01:17.08 | dudeman | cafuego, why do you think I'm trying to also find out whats goingon |
| 01:18.01 | cads | seeing what happens in start-up would be nice, but I'd also know what to consider getting rid of to make things quicker |
| 01:18.35 | cads | this is an old laptop, so I need to retail the GUI, but need to make things lighter |
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| 01:21.25 | djshotglass | su: Authentication failure |
| 01:21.35 | djshotglass | new to debian |
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| 01:21.46 | djshotglass | why is it such a pain already? :( |
| 01:21.48 | segosa__ | you put in the wrong password |
| 01:21.49 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, wrong password? |
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| 01:22.09 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, did you setup debian to use root? or did you install with sudo option? |
| 01:22.29 | dudeman | what |
| 01:22.34 | dudeman | why? |
| 01:22.36 | Lagbolt | dudeman, what what? |
| 01:22.42 | Lagbolt | why sudo? lol |
| 01:22.50 | dudeman | why would someone install debian just to use root |
| 01:22.55 | dudeman | ... |
| 01:22.58 | Lagbolt | just to use root? |
| 01:23.00 | dudeman | that makes no sense whatsoever |
| 01:23.01 | Lagbolt | no dudeman not what i said |
| 01:23.17 | Dewi | dudeman: using root directly as opposed to using sudo, ubuntu style |
| 01:23.19 | Lagbolt | last installer i saw you could leave root pass blank so it defaults to sudo with no root passwd |
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| 01:23.32 | djshotglass | i never set it up |
| 01:23.33 | dudeman | no |
| 01:23.34 | Dewi | dudeman: it impacts whether you have a root password |
| 01:23.36 | djshotglass | would've been freebsd if i did ;) |
| 01:23.39 | Dewi | djshotglass: do you know the root password? |
| 01:23.45 | djshotglass | i think so |
| 01:23.50 | Dewi | djshotglass: sounds like you don't :) |
| 01:23.51 | dudeman | that option is present only with a non-default debconf_priority |
| 01:23.53 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, who set it up? |
| 01:23.54 | cafuego | know so or think so? |
| 01:24.01 | djshotglass | datacenter |
| 01:24.10 | enouf | dudeman: are all your other conn going through the same router? (i'd imagine yes) |
| 01:24.15 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, did they give you the root password? |
| 01:24.17 | dudeman | enouf, that is correct |
| 01:24.18 | Dewi | djshotglass: can you log in directly as root rather than elevating with 'su' ? |
| 01:24.19 | dudeman | I am now on 8001 |
| 01:24.29 | djshotglass | they give me a password to the user cp |
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| 01:24.33 | djshotglass | thats it |
| 01:24.36 | enouf | ok |
| 01:24.44 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, try "sudo su" and use your user password |
| 01:24.44 | cafuego | djshotglass: can you run 'sudo ls' ? |
| 01:24.51 | Lagbolt | maybe they configured it with sudo |
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| 01:25.25 | Dewi | djshotglass: if you only have a standard user password you cannot use 'su', but you might be able to elevate with 'sudo' if your use is a sudoer |
| 01:25.34 | cafuego | notes sudo -s, not sudo su |
| 01:25.42 | djshotglass | sudo su worked :) |
| 01:25.44 | meoblast001 | how do you set system wide settings that are applied to all new users? |
| 01:25.44 | Lagbolt | cafuego, my bad :) |
| 01:25.59 | djshotglass | thanks Lagbolt |
| 01:26.02 | cafuego | meoblast001: /etc/profile |
| 01:26.05 | meoblast001 | i need to make my gconf work on all new users so all users will have it in my custom distro |
| 01:26.07 | Lagbolt | djshotglass, so they set you up the ubuntu way. |
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| 01:26.20 | Lagbolt | you can change it if you dont like it. |
| 01:26.26 | cafuego | djshotglass: sudo is "the sane way: -) |
| 01:26.30 | meoblast001 | cafuego: will that effect root too if its there during the installation of a custom debian cd? |
| 01:26.42 | CppIsWeird | how can i get a complete list of what any given package depends on? |
| 01:26.48 | enouf | meoblast001: well, if you set it up to install into /usr/local/ you should be all set |
| 01:26.50 | Lagbolt | the sane way? i bet people would beg to differ |
| 01:26.58 | cafuego | djshotglass: You can also add a root password sudo 'sudo passwd' |
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| 01:27.02 | djshotglass | im going to have to read the debian manual arent i |
| 01:27.05 | cafuego | Lagbolt: Sure, people are wrong all the time. |
| 01:27.15 | djshotglass | curses |
| 01:27.15 | meoblast001 | enouf: set what to install into /usr/local? |
| 01:27.15 | enouf | since /usr/local/bin comes 1st in default PATH |
| 01:27.16 | enouf | your app |
| 01:27.19 | enouf | your distro |
| 01:27.23 | enouf | your whatever |
| 01:27.29 | Lagbolt | cafuego, well being that it is an opinion there is no right or wrong |
| 01:27.48 | meoblast001 | im confused... this is a custom debian system with it's own custom gconf settings and i need those to be applied to all users |
| 01:28.15 | enouf | well, we already went there, and i told you where to look for info |
| 01:28.15 | cafuego | Lagbolt: Having a tuneable, customisable privilege elevation system that writes log entries is by far preferable to handing out a root password for everything. |
| 01:28.59 | enouf | http://library.gnome.org/ maybe even |
| 01:29.31 | meoblast001 | enouf: was that directed toward me |
| 01:29.31 | Lagbolt | cafuego, sure sudo has its place but having root is also nice. lots of arguments but no one ever changes their mind so i am not going to debate it |
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| 01:30.20 | enouf | http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/806-6878/6jfpqt2t6?a=view |
| 01:30.31 | enouf | ugh, it's solaris |
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| 01:31.28 | enouf | [19:43:05] <enouf> meoblast001: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org? |
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| 01:31.36 | enouf | !gnome |
| 01:31.36 | dpkg | i heard gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
| 01:31.49 | meoblast001 | enouf: already there.. and i asked as well |
| 01:32.17 | abrotman | or ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. since it's not really a Debian problem |
| 01:32.40 | enouf | extrapolation makes for a wise searcher :-p |
| 01:32.54 | meoblast001 | abrotman, no one is talking in there either |
| 01:33.13 | abrotman | so be patient and wait |
| 01:33.17 | meoblast001 | k |
| 01:33.18 | enouf | dude; join a gnome mailing list ffs |
| 01:33.33 | enouf | check googlegroups.com ffs |
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| 01:34.21 | meoblast001 | cafuego, when is /etc/profile actually copied into the home directory of the user? |
| 01:34.30 | enouf | it isn't |
| 01:34.41 | cafuego | meoblast001: Never. Only stuff in /etc/skel is |
| 01:34.45 | meoblast001 | ok so how does /etc/profile work? |
| 01:35.00 | cafuego | meoblast001: the shell sources /etc/profile at login time. |
| 01:35.14 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.22 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 01:35.41 | meoblast001 | well im looking to make the whole ~/.gconf/ system wide |
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| 01:36.04 | cafuego | /etc/gconf? |
| 01:36.04 | meoblast001 | so i would want /etc/skel? |
| 01:36.25 | enouf | it's wither /etc/gnome/* or /gdm/* or in /usr/share/apps/ |
| 01:37.10 | meoblast001 | neither |
| 01:37.12 | enouf | and "...? hrm, gdmconfig? gconf-editor?..." |
| 01:37.19 | enouf | gconftool |
| 01:37.19 | meoblast001 | i dooh wait |
| 01:37.26 | meoblast001 | hmm |
| 01:37.41 | enouf | gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory |
| 01:38.07 | enouf | run along now, you foot |
| 01:38.20 | segosa__ | apt-cache show x shows a package, but not which repository it came from. is there any way to find out? |
| 01:38.21 | meoblast001 | my foot? |
| 01:38.23 | meoblast001 | what about it |
| 01:38.25 | meoblast001 | im confused |
| 01:38.25 | enouf | or are there feet there :-P |
| 01:38.31 | enouf | gnome foot/feet |
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| 01:39.01 | enouf | segosa__: apt-cache policy for clues |
| 01:39.28 | segosa__ | ah yes |
| 01:39.40 | meoblast001 | im lost... i need to know where to put my ~/.gconf/ to make it system wide |
| 01:39.45 | segosa__ | I had tried policy but without a package param |
| 01:39.52 | segosa__ | thanks |
| 01:40.10 | enouf | you want to be a gnome customizer/developer, customcd builder, and yet you don't know a friggin thing about it - go - seek - elsewhere - this is #debian support |
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| 01:41.09 | enouf | thank you |
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| 01:46.32 | enouf | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=define+%3A+gnome+configuration+applet&btnG=Search there you go meoblast001 |
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| 01:47.09 | enouf | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html |
| 01:47.31 | meoblast001 | im not trying to make an applet |
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| 01:53.18 | enouf | !appletsmite someone |
| 01:53.49 | enouf | !penixstrike meoblast001 |
| 01:53.49 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking meoblast001 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 01:57.24 | cafuego | !mock enouf |
| 01:57.24 | dpkg | mocks enouf with spaghetti and potatoes |
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| 02:01.24 | enouf | mmm .. yummy :-) |
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| 02:03.25 | dudeman | enough fucking smites |
| 02:03.33 | dudeman | that is a stupid fucking thing to do anyway |
| 02:04.03 | dudeman | that penixstrike is the dumbest thing I've ever seen |
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| 02:04.30 | dudeman | here we have a country full of homophones and then they go around sending penises to each other... talk about retarded. |
| 02:04.45 | dudeman | phobes* but thats neither here nor there |
| 02:04.50 | dudeman | stop fuckin with the bot. |
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| 02:06.04 | enouf | dudeman: nobody cares what you think :-P |
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| 02:06.40 | enouf | dudeman: fyi, it happens to be a nickname of a user, dumbass :-) |
| 02:06.52 | dudeman | yes |
| 02:06.55 | dudeman | i know penix |
| 02:07.17 | enouf | besides - i did refrain from making further comments when dmoerner_ mentioned 9" |
| 02:07.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.34 | dudeman | ye |
| 02:07.39 | dudeman | and we're all very glad for that |
| 02:07.52 | dudeman | I'm just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooi |
| 02:07.56 | dudeman | uh |
| 02:08.07 | enouf | ... |
| 02:08.07 | dudeman | man I gootta get new kayboard |
| 02:08.13 | dudeman | a;lkdjf;lajskdf I give up! |
| 02:08.29 | dudeman | keys are getting stuck now, its a 6 year old keyboard |
| 02:08.41 | Cope57 | wash it. |
| 02:08.59 | Cope57 | unplug from PC first |
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| 02:09.29 | enouf | no, keep it connected, and be sure to use a firehose - full bore |
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| 02:10.23 | jaggz- | I have a defunct application [amarokapp] from a kill -9'ed amarok (kde's audio player).. it's a child of kdeinit but I can't get rid of it and amarok won't run anymore |
| 02:10.34 | jaggz- | I've restarted the system several times and it's still there (I'm kidding) |
| 02:10.49 | jaggz- | but how can I get kdeinit to clean it up? exit X11? |
| 02:10.59 | enouf | we know .. restart kdeinit or something - yep |
| 02:11.08 | enouf | restart your DM will do it |
| 02:11.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:48.05 | odla | hi i have gnome-spell installed but evolution can't find a dictionary |
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| 02:50.25 | jaggz- | my programs are taking a long time to pop up.. even vi(m).. vim -X (disable connecting to X) runs fast, so something is strange after kdm restarted |
| 02:50.57 | jaggz- | DISPLAY is :0.0 .. but I don't know how to check my local X's actual display |
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| 02:52.41 | jaggz- | other things pop up fast, without delay.. but vim takes forever.. why's it having problems? |
| 02:53.32 | odla | jaggz-: have you checked bts? |
| 02:53.50 | gt_ | I think you can start it in the shell to check if there are error msg |
| 02:54.13 | jaggz- | it seems a socket issue from an error messagebts? |
| 02:54.43 | jaggz- | gt, none.. just a delay and it pops up.. but I recall getting some socket error a while back (I couldn't reproduce it, but strace shows it sleeping near socket() call) ... |
| 02:55.03 | jaggz- | what's bts? |
| 02:55.07 | gt_ | ic |
| 02:55.45 | jaggz- | I recall this issue when I'd run vi on a system without X running, or through SSH without X libs.. |
| 02:56.08 | jaggz- | so I believe it's trying to connect to the local X server but can't -- again, this happened after /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 02:56.17 | odla | !bts |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 02:57.05 | jaggz- | probably won't be there, considering the kdm restart issue? or it'll be difficult to find, considering my other X apps run fine from the same shell. |
| 02:57.14 | et | jaggz-: yes, it is trying to connect to X |
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| 02:57.30 | et | DISPLAY="" vim should fix it |
| 02:57.42 | et | well, "fix" |
| 02:57.49 | et | it's a workaround |
| 02:59.37 | jaggz- | oh, here, I'm in screen as well. |
| 02:59.50 | jaggz- | when I exit it it works fast.. so there's perhaps some environment var which is throwing things off |
| 03:00.02 | jaggz- | but DISPLAY is the same in and out |
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| 03:03.24 | jaggz- | I don't want a workaround though do I? I was thinking that I wanted to understand the cause |
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| 03:05.06 | jaggz- | well.. exiting all my screen's and re-running is a fix :) |
| 03:05.16 | jaggz- | but I don't understand still. |
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| 03:26.26 | enouf | jaggz-: you mention xdm once up there - typo? anyway - tried kiling kde through it's End Session button thing in kmenu? |
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| 03:29.59 | spx2 | anybody know a site with computer science book reviews ? |
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| 03:30.55 | h3king | how to update the fglrx kernel module after update the kernel? |
| 03:31.13 | h3king | how to auto update the fglrx kernel module after update the kernel? |
| 03:31.17 | Sling | spx2 : hit google with those words, and you'll find them |
| 03:32.06 | spx2 | Sling: yes..that's no good but thanks any way |
| 03:32.08 | spx2 | for trying... |
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| 03:35.35 | abrotman | h3king: redo the fglrx one-liner |
| 03:37.21 | vorpal | aptitude remove network-manager |
| 03:37.26 | vorpal | ahhhh |
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| 03:37.51 | vorpal | buggy POC |
| 03:38.31 | simonrvn | i've actually seen it work as expected, but that was a clean install |
| 03:38.42 | simonrvn | new user, etc. |
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| 03:40.23 | Rideh | i just wanted to stop by to say hi and i've had less trouble setting up a server on debian than ubuntu.... and thanks |
| 03:40.33 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 03:40.44 | Rideh | lol hey simonrvn |
| 03:40.53 | simonrvn | hi |
| 03:41.00 | Rideh | arent you usually in openldap? |
| 03:41.06 | Rideh | or is it ubuntu-server |
| 03:41.14 | simonrvn | former yes |
| 03:41.49 | simonrvn | well, i hang out in a fair amount of chans, and #openldap is one of the newest on my list =). |
| 03:42.34 | simonrvn | i've been to an ubuntu chan like once, a year ago. |
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| 03:42.52 | Rideh | ah ok |
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| 03:55.36 | jaggz- | no, didn't try killing it that way.. |
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| 04:19.38 | CapaH | Hi, can anyone help me on a rather small but annoying issue -- I want "Firefox" to actually say/look like Firefox - not IceWeasel :) anyone? |
| 04:20.36 | dustybin | CapaH: remove iceweasel, and compile firefox yourself |
| 04:20.48 | CapaH | dustybin: Tried - I use a 64 bit processor and no success |
| 04:21.08 | dustybin | CapaH: thats a user error |
| 04:21.22 | dustybin | try |
| 04:21.28 | dustybin | apt-get build-dep iceweasel |
| 04:21.33 | dustybin | then compile it |
| 04:22.34 | dustybin | you cannot beat that orange firefox logo |
| 04:23.05 | SeveredCross | I dunno, I kinda like Iceweasel. |
| 04:23.15 | dustybin | horrible green logo puts me of |
| 04:23.16 | dustybin | f |
| 04:23.17 | SeveredCross | I definitely prefer Icedove over Thunderbird, that damn dove is adorable. |
| 04:23.29 | dustybin | yukky blue icedove logo |
| 04:23.40 | SeveredCross | I think it's cute, looks kinda like it's crazed. |
| 04:23.47 | acidslep | dove on acid |
| 04:23.47 | dustybin | o+0 |
| 04:24.27 | dustybin | i have a strange problem, my desktop is _off_ however, my usb keyboard light stays on, and my usb mouse stays on? |
| 04:24.58 | dustybin | could this be something to do with BIOS settings? |
| 04:25.17 | CapaH | Question - what is the difference between Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 04:25.27 | acidslep | is that a real question :) |
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| 04:25.33 | CapaH | Yes :) |
| 04:25.41 | CapaH | I am using Debian but I used to use Ubuntu |
| 04:26.02 | dustybin | CapaH: ubuntu is the same as using debian experimental |
| 04:26.06 | CapaH | I know Ubuntu is "built based off of" Debian - but I do not really get what exactly that means |
| 04:26.16 | acidslep | dustybin: lol what? |
| 04:26.42 | dustybin | acidslep: its the same kind of experience :) |
| 04:27.09 | acidslep | o.O experimental has gui builtin? |
| 04:27.19 | dustybin | so if you want instant ubuntu on your debian box, change your repos to 'experimental' :) |
| 04:27.21 | acidslep | i mean like actually included? |
| 04:27.34 | acidslep | lol |
| 04:27.43 | acidslep | i dont get it. is it a joke? |
| 04:28.45 | CapaH | I wonder what would happen if I changed all repos to ubuntu/hardy then changed them back :) |
| 04:28.50 | CapaH | (not going to find out) |
| 04:29.13 | acidslep | nothing? |
| 04:29.16 | acidslep | :P |
| 04:29.29 | CapaH | well, I am assuming some apt-get dist upgrade/upgrade/update stuff in between :) |
| 04:29.39 | dmoerner_ | in that order, nothing either :) |
| 04:30.06 | acidslep | lol that would break it |
| 04:30.08 | CapaH | sigh - update, dist-upgrade |
| 04:30.11 | acidslep | try it |
| 04:30.15 | CapaH | thats my thought |
| 04:30.18 | CapaH | thats why I will not try it |
| 04:30.25 | acidslep | i will |
| 04:30.26 | acidslep | XD |
| 04:30.30 | CapaH | I have worked too hard to get this system the way I want |
| 04:30.41 | acidslep | and you dont have it backed up? |
| 04:30.52 | CapaH | Nope -- but in fairness I only got it the way I wanted it like 2 days ago :P |
| 04:30.59 | acidslep | hehe |
| 04:31.10 | acidslep | i make bash scripts for doing stuff like that and keep on flash drive |
| 04:31.21 | acidslep | or used to |
| 04:31.29 | CapaH | This desktop is very nice... I have customized basically everything - one thing I love about linux |
| 04:33.52 | CapaH | I think that is funny - in Firefox's own source notes it says "On Debian: apt-get builddep iceweasel" |
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| 04:50.22 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 04:50.55 | Tetracomm | Why is it that I am not notified when the network connection fails? I find out long after it fails. Help? |
| 04:56.06 | Gm4n | Tetracomm: try `ping` |
| 04:56.50 | acidslep | suck iptables |
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| 05:08.54 | Tetracomm | Gm4n: Could you elaborate? |
| 05:11.18 | Gm4n | Tetracomm: sure, if you elaborate the problem |
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| 05:13.28 | Tetracomm | and then after a long time, they disconnect. |
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| 05:35.08 | acidslep | guze |
| 05:35.08 | meoblast001 | hypothetically speaking |
| 05:35.19 | acidslep | stops |
| 05:35.25 | meoblast001 | if i added files to the /etc/skel, would they also be applied to root? |
| 05:35.47 | meoblast001 | if the files were setup to be placed there from packages during system install |
| 05:35.58 | acidslep | doesent it only acess skel.. when a new one is created? |
| 05:36.07 | meoblast001 | when a new user |
| 05:36.12 | meoblast001 | wouldnt root count as a new user |
| 05:36.19 | meoblast001 | or would it be created before the skel is in place? |
| 05:36.19 | acidslep | good question :) |
| 05:36.24 | acidslep | i think root.. yeah |
| 05:36.33 | acidslep | thats what i would think |
| 05:36.47 | meoblast001 | well i need to be sure because im working on making a new distro and im trying different things out |
| 05:37.07 | acidslep | i bet you know a good way to find out :) |
| 05:37.12 | meoblast001 | acidslep, do you know if any hardcore debianers are around? |
| 05:37.20 | acidslep | enouf |
| 05:37.29 | meoblast001 | i think hes starting to hate me lol |
| 05:37.31 | acidslep | hes pretty hardcore in my eyes :) |
| 05:37.39 | acidslep | me too XD |
| 05:38.01 | acidslep | if you are creating a "new distro" have you looked at LFS? |
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| 05:39.08 | Lagbolt | gay |
| 05:39.13 | acidslep | no im not |
| 05:39.14 | Lagbolt | man |
| 05:39.17 | meoblast001 | im going to use Debian CDD |
| 05:39.17 | Lagbolt | no not you |
| 05:39.20 | Lagbolt | i was thinking outloud |
| 05:39.24 | Lagbolt | didnt even mean to type that :( |
| 05:39.38 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt, are you good with debian? |
| 05:39.41 | meoblast001 | cuz i have a question |
| 05:39.44 | Lagbolt | ask away |
| 05:39.44 | meoblast001 | an uber one |
| 05:39.55 | acidslep | go ask a dev XD |
| 05:40.12 | meoblast001 | /usr/share/gconf/defaults/05_panel-default-setup.entries what do you think that would do? |
| 05:40.18 | starscalling | pokes acidslep |
| 05:40.33 | acidslep | recoils in shock |
| 05:40.49 | meoblast001 | pulls out 10 pounds of C4 |
| 05:40.59 | acidslep | runs away from meo and his gconf |
| 05:41.00 | starscalling | wonders... |
| 05:41.05 | meoblast001 | lol |
| 05:41.08 | meoblast001 | anyways |
| 05:41.09 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, um that is not a debian question lol |
| 05:41.10 | meoblast001 | back to gconf |
| 05:41.17 | meoblast001 | how isnt that? |
| 05:41.23 | acidslep | pshaw its apropiate for the channel |
| 05:41.23 | Lagbolt | gconf? thats gnome |
| 05:41.27 | starscalling | lol |
| 05:41.29 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 05:41.35 | Lagbolt | i dont use gnome |
| 05:41.40 | starscalling | o! |
| 05:41.43 | starscalling | THATS NOT ALLOWED |
| 05:41.50 | acidslep | lolz |
| 05:41.53 | Lagbolt | but i guess it would do something for the default settings of the panel ;) |
| 05:42.00 | acidslep | yeah duh :) |
| 05:42.35 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt, thats what i thought to |
| 05:42.37 | Lagbolt | but i think that would set global settings for the panel |
| 05:42.38 | meoblast001 | and i edited it |
| 05:42.41 | meoblast001 | really hardcore like |
| 05:42.44 | meoblast001 | for some amount of time |
| 05:42.45 | starscalling | thou must approacheth the sacred alter of punitive damages against a DE and bow thy head and supplicate with the silicon, rubbing the electrons back to life from the SHOCK YOU GAVE MY UNPROTECTEDCPU! |
| 05:42.45 | Lagbolt | i dont even have that file tho |
| 05:42.54 | acidslep | AHH |
| 05:42.55 | meoblast001 | and then added a new user |
| 05:42.57 | meoblast001 | logged in |
| 05:42.58 | meoblast001 | and nothing |
| 05:43.01 | Lagbolt | really? hmm |
| 05:43.05 | meoblast001 | it was the old top/bottom gnome interface |
| 05:43.13 | meoblast001 | i even deleted root gconf and logged in as that |
| 05:43.15 | acidslep | meo, rename it |
| 05:43.16 | meoblast001 | and it was the same |
| 05:43.17 | Lagbolt | well let me consult google :) |
| 05:43.18 | acidslep | lolz |
| 05:43.27 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt, i've been googling for hours |
| 05:43.45 | meoblast001 | gconf system wide settings... applications system wide settings... debian system wide.. everything |
| 05:43.52 | acidslep | check ##gnome |
| 05:43.56 | meoblast001 | i did |
| 05:43.59 | meoblast001 | its quite dormant in there |
| 05:44.05 | acidslep | like most chans :( |
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| 05:44.11 | Lagbolt | i found a 23 page pdf of gconf |
| 05:44.13 | meoblast001 | my whole network is |
| 05:44.26 | meoblast001 | 23 pages of raw gconf |
| 05:44.32 | meoblast001 | and 23 pages of raw adobe |
| 05:44.36 | meoblast001 | send her here |
| 05:44.40 | meoblast001 | and i shall scrutenize her |
| 05:44.43 | Lagbolt | i mean a doc abotu it |
| 05:44.52 | acidslep | shall take pictures of her |
| 05:44.54 | Lagbolt | doesnt appear to have what you want tho |
| 05:44.59 | meoblast001 | does it contain information about systemwide? |
| 05:45.02 | meoblast001 | oh |
| 05:45.05 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, did you look in /etc |
| 05:45.10 | meoblast001 | yes |
| 05:45.15 | acidslep | leaves |
| 05:45.16 | meoblast001 | thats really confusing in there |
| 05:45.18 | Lagbolt | cant change it in /etc/gconf? |
| 05:45.26 | meoblast001 | you can supposedly |
| 05:45.43 | meoblast001 | but there is nothing similar between that and the gconf settings in /home |
| 05:45.47 | Lagbolt | ok well lets start simple, what are you trying to change that you want globally |
| 05:45.54 | starscalling | so |
| 05:45.58 | meoblast001 | i heard about a utility that can manually insert every piece of data |
| 05:46.00 | starscalling | what's going on moe? |
| 05:46.03 | starscalling | meo* |
| 05:46.05 | meoblast001 | that would take hours though |
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| 05:46.17 | starscalling | what are you trying to get done? |
| 05:46.18 | meoblast001 | starscalling, trying to change the default panel layour |
| 05:46.19 | Lagbolt | i will figure it out! or i wont sleep ;) |
| 05:46.24 | meoblast001 | layout* |
| 05:46.37 | meoblast001 | so that even root will have it if i delete his gconf |
| 05:46.40 | starscalling | meoblast001: default panel layout for what panel? |
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| 05:46.52 | meoblast001 | both panels... the gnome panel |
| 05:46.56 | meoblast001 | i want 1 on the left |
| 05:47.09 | starscalling | then just fucking drag it there |
| 05:47.13 | starscalling | it'l stay |
| 05:47.19 | starscalling | smakks |
| 05:47.20 | meoblast001 | system wide |
| 05:47.21 | starscalling | D R A G |
| 05:47.33 | starscalling | you want it as default for new users? |
| 05:47.37 | starscalling | hm |
| 05:47.42 | meoblast001 | yeah but a little more indepth |
| 05:47.43 | starscalling | ok gimme a second lemme think about this |
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| 05:47.49 | starscalling | keep going |
| 05:47.51 | starscalling | explain more |
| 05:47.52 | meoblast001 | i want this to be in my custom-debian |
| 05:47.59 | meoblast001 | so i even want root to have these settings |
| 05:48.03 | callahad | Is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ down for anyone else? |
| 05:48.04 | meoblast001 | in case an idiot logs in as root |
| 05:48.08 | starscalling | pf cpirse |
| 05:48.14 | starscalling | er of course** |
| 05:48.14 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, have you asked in #ubuntu . . .lot of gnome users in there |
| 05:48.23 | starscalling | just ban root from X then |
| 05:48.32 | meoblast001 | they'll probably smack me with a large trout |
| 05:48.45 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, yeah well they always have people asking questions in here. turn about is fair play |
| 05:48.47 | meoblast001 | starscalling, whats gonna stop someone from turning it back on |
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| 05:49.08 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt, like me? im an Ubuntu/Debian user |
| 05:50.17 | meoblast001 | starscalling: if i add it to a package that is installed during system install and that package puts it in /etc/skel, will root get those settings from /etc/skel? |
| 05:50.23 | Lagbolt | well are we talking about a ubuntu or debian machine? |
| 05:50.30 | starscalling | meoblast001: a good root password |
| 05:50.31 | meoblast001 | Debian |
| 05:51.22 | starscalling | and possibly a script |
| 05:51.22 | meoblast001 | starscalling:: what about sudoers? |
| 05:51.22 | meoblast001 | you mean a hack? |
| 05:51.23 | neoice | I've asked ubuntu questions here and debian questions in #ubuntu |
| 05:51.23 | neoice | I just leave out the distro name since all the software is roughly the same |
| 05:51.31 | meoblast001 | i came here when they banned me from #ubuntu for a while |
| 05:51.37 | meoblast001 | and pretended that i ahd debian |
| 05:51.47 | meoblast001 | and translated every debian-specific thing to ubuntu stuff |
| 05:52.06 | starscalling | ok |
| 05:52.09 | meoblast001 | i bet #ubuntu is the largest chan on freenode |
| 05:52.26 | meoblast001 | ok usually means good news time |
| 05:52.35 | starscalling | so meoblast001 upon creation of a user - might need to have some perisistant process or perhaps hack adduser |
| 05:52.53 | starscalling | anyway upon creation of new user just have a script edit a few settings in gconf |
| 05:52.53 | meoblast001 | or add it to /etc/skel right? |
| 05:52.55 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, did you use gconf-editor as root? |
| 05:53.01 | starscalling | seems teh homie waz teh rite |
| 05:53.01 | Lagbolt | Default settings set by the administrator. Edit them as root with |
| 05:53.01 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.05 | starscalling | meoblast001: yeah thats prolly it |
| 05:53.06 | Lagbolt | oops stupid enter |
| 05:53.10 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt, yes i did |
| 05:53.31 | meoblast001 | Lagbolt: should i edit the settings to what i want in there and see if it uses them for all users? |
| 05:53.33 | starscalling | so the path is: |
| 05:53.38 | neoice | man, I can never get the fglrx working |
| 05:53.39 | Lagbolt | YES! |
| 05:53.42 | Lagbolt | you didnt do that? |
| 05:53.51 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, read /usr/share/doc/gconf2/README.Debian |
| 05:54.00 | starscalling | gconf editor thing -->> apps >> panel >> toplevels |
| 05:54.01 | meoblast001 | i almost did.. but my brain works very quickly and i forget things i think about |
| 05:54.03 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.07 | starscalling | in there is a bottom_panel and a top_panel |
| 05:54.11 | meoblast001 | sometimes that happens in midsentence and ppl think im a retard |
| 05:54.21 | starscalling | and in THERE is a value called orientation. |
| 05:54.26 | starscalling | top left right bottom |
| 05:54.28 | meoblast001 | yes there is |
| 05:54.30 | starscalling | ^^ |
| 05:54.33 | meoblast001 | ^^ |
| 05:54.35 | starscalling | thats it right there |
| 05:55.28 | meoblast001 | so where does root gconf save the config to? |
| 05:55.38 | meoblast001 | omg i just heard the FL Studio startup sound and i didnt start it |
| 05:55.42 | meoblast001 | im going crazy |
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| 05:55.49 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, READ the file i just said! |
| 05:55.58 | Lagbolt | read /usr/share/doc/gconf2/README.Debian |
| 05:56.01 | Lagbolt | it tells you |
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| 05:56.50 | meoblast001 | oh ok |
| 05:56.52 | meoblast001 | =) |
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| 05:59.12 | meoblast001 | as much as i opose root logins.. im not doing much so it should be ok |
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| 05:59.57 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, why |
| 06:00.04 | Lagbolt | meoblast001, run it as root dont log in as root |
| 06:00.11 | meoblast001 | this will be easier |
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| 06:00.16 | meoblast001 | because i can drag things where i need it |
| 06:00.28 | meoblast001 | and im not editing any major system files i wouldn't be editing anyways |
| 06:00.34 | meoblast001 | then i log right back out |
| 06:00.47 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:00.54 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 06:00.56 | Lagbolt | good luck with that |
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| 06:01.42 | meoblast001 | YES |
| 06:01.43 | meoblast001 | it worked |
| 06:01.46 | meoblast001 | for root |
| 06:01.53 | meoblast001 | now i need to systemwideitize it |
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| 06:02.29 | starscalling | well |
| 06:02.34 | starscalling | play with the skel or whatnot |
| 06:02.36 | starscalling | then make test users |
| 06:02.47 | meoblast001 | oh no this is easy |
| 06:02.54 | meoblast001 | just open up gconf-editor to be safe |
| 06:03.01 | meoblast001 | and it should have copied it all to /etc/gconf |
| 06:03.04 | meoblast001 | all good now |
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| 06:03.20 | \amethyst | meoblast001: you might want to look at sabayon, btw |
| 06:03.28 | callahad | Is anyone able to get to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:03.31 | meoblast001 | y? |
| 06:03.48 | meoblast001 | are they trying to steal my ideas? |
| 06:03.53 | meoblast001 | lets see them try to steal all of them |
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| 06:04.26 | \amethyst | meoblast001: it starts up a gnome session in a window, you make the settings there, and it creates a profile file you can apply to users |
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| 06:04.36 | starscalling | hm |
| 06:04.46 | starscalling | i think my internet may have been upgraded last night |
| 06:05.05 | meoblast001 | no |
| 06:05.10 | meoblast001 | it didnt go system wide |
| 06:05.22 | meoblast001 | i thought the documentation said it was supposed to put it in /etc/gconf/ |
| 06:05.31 | meoblast001 | gives documentation the finger |
| 06:06.24 | \amethyst | meoblast001: probably into /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults or gconf.xml.mandatory (depending on whether you want it overridable) |
| 06:06.46 | meoblast001 | oh dang it.. i dont know how to add it to those |
| 06:06.51 | \amethyst | there should be a %gconf-tree.xml in each of those two directories |
| 06:06.57 | meoblast001 | because they dont actually let you add things to them with the gconf-editor |
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| 06:07.24 | \amethyst | meoblast001: gconf-merge-tree sounds promising |
| 06:07.28 | starscalling | meoblast001: gimme second |
| 06:07.36 | starscalling | \amethyst: theres a standard way hold on |
| 06:08.15 | starscalling | gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/remote_access/enabled true |
| 06:08.25 | meoblast001 | yeah |
| 06:08.26 | starscalling | so go get that and read on up |
| 06:08.28 | meoblast001 | that method would take years |
| 06:08.30 | starscalling | kk good |
| 06:08.34 | starscalling | years? |
| 06:08.37 | starscalling | for two settings? |
| 06:08.45 | starscalling | ok then lets do it the easy way. |
| 06:08.48 | meoblast001 | i would have to do that foreach individual key in the gconf |
| 06:08.49 | starscalling | set up a user how you like it. |
| 06:08.53 | starscalling | a single user. |
| 06:08.58 | starscalling | with aaaaaalllllllll the settings. |
| 06:09.09 | meoblast001 | but listen to this |
| 06:09.12 | starscalling | then make a simple bash script that houses adduser |
| 06:09.15 | meoblast001 | there are like... 20 settings per entry |
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| 06:09.23 | meoblast001 | and like 10 entries to make up what i have |
| 06:09.32 | starscalling | and in addn to that after adduser creates the dir this drops the gconf files whole and does a simple chown |
| 06:09.35 | meoblast001 | that would be 200 keys i would have to merge |
| 06:09.39 | starscalling | ........ |
| 06:09.41 | starscalling | just |
| 06:09.43 | starscalling | drop |
| 06:09.44 | starscalling | new |
| 06:09.45 | starscalling | file |
| 06:09.49 | starscalling | already done by default |
| 06:09.53 | starscalling | overwrite and chown! |
| 06:09.56 | meoblast001 | drop what file where? |
| 06:10.00 | starscalling | sighs |
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| 06:10.23 | meoblast001 | my brain wasnt built to comprehend words lol |
| 06:10.30 | meoblast001 | could you please repeat that |
| 06:10.34 | starscalling | look |
| 06:10.43 | starscalling | physically its a set of directories and files |
| 06:10.50 | meoblast001 | yes |
| 06:10.52 | starscalling | so when you setup the first user just exactly the way you like it |
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| 06:11.20 | starscalling | just say do a simple 1.2 second rsync of .gconf/ of /home/perfectuser over to the /home/newuser |
| 06:11.45 | meoblast001 | never used rsync |
| 06:11.45 | starscalling | then do chown -R newuser.newuser /home/newuser/.gconf/ |
| 06:11.52 | starscalling | rsync is easy |
| 06:11.56 | starscalling | -avW |
| 06:12.12 | starscalling | ok good |
| 06:12.19 | starscalling | have fun ;) |
| 06:12.29 | meoblast001 | so we're making a hack? |
| 06:12.39 | meoblast001 | where it copies the file over? |
| 06:13.53 | Dewi | meoblast001: starscalling is telling you how to copy one user's gconf to another user |
| 06:14.17 | meoblast001 | ok i could just insert the default gconf in /etc/skel if i have to do it that way |
| 06:14.24 | Dewi | yeah |
| 06:14.35 | meoblast001 | i just wanted to see if there is a more standard way |
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| 06:21.36 | dmajnem2 | anybody know how I can get the "scala" package not to need gcj? |
| 06:21.59 | meoblast001 | starscalling, i just figured out that i can merge the structure used in /home to the structure used in /etc/gconf |
| 06:22.03 | meoblast001 | meaning i'd be able to copy it over |
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| 06:22.42 | swankier | how can I go about setting up debian with openbsd's isakmpd to talk to an openbsd server as setup in http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1859 |
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| 06:27.00 | LimCore | haj |
| 06:27.57 | LimCore | Im logged as root, but I dont know mysql root password. How to create new mysql user with password and db, without destroying (chaning) current mysql root password (so that if some scripts somewhere DO have current root passwd, they will keep working) |
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| 06:46.07 | kaeles | how can I ensure that one of the scripts in init.d start before another? |
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| 06:51.24 | Duddle | kaeles: are they numbered? if so, give your script with higher priority a lower number |
| 06:51.49 | zhuzhixin | hi, how can i know the type of my sound card? can i find this information in /proc? |
| 06:51.49 | kaeles | ah |
| 06:51.50 | kaeles | duh |
| 06:51.51 | kaeles | :D |
| 06:52.04 | simonrvn | kaeles: that's what the lsb stuff is for |
| 06:52.46 | simonrvn | better yet, the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d ;). it *is* SysV after all |
| 06:53.08 | kaeles | yea, thats what I was going to do is just make it S99myScript |
| 06:53.20 | kaeles | cause I want it to execute last |
| 06:54.26 | kaeles | thanks |
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| 06:54.58 | mhymn | !tell zhuzhixin about what's my hardware |
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| 07:00.55 | damagednoob | is there a resource for installing ntfs3g on etch? |
| 07:01.08 | damagednoob | like a tutorial or something? |
| 07:02.07 | damagednoob | specifically for arm |
| 07:03.53 | starscalling | damagednoob: arm? arm architecture? |
| 07:04.00 | damagednoob | yeah |
| 07:04.12 | starscalling | dunno.. |
| 07:04.16 | starscalling | i would look in the docs |
| 07:04.26 | starscalling | y something not working? |
| 07:04.42 | damagednoob | yeah |
| 07:04.44 | mhymn | damagednoob: it's in backports |
| 07:04.47 | damagednoob | i've gone to the ntfs3g site |
| 07:05.04 | damagednoob | oh okay i'll search google with that first |
| 07:05.12 | starscalling | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ntfs3g+etch+arm&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 07:05.13 | starscalling | wow |
| 07:05.18 | starscalling | first result |
| 07:05.19 | starscalling | lmfao |
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| 07:06.06 | damagednoob | lol |
| 07:07.38 | damagednoob | ok cool, glad i didn't try and go through sid now :P |
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| 07:20.58 | Arafangion | Hey, any tips for improving startup time for debian? (Particularly on laptops) |
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| 07:21.38 | neoice | arafangion: did you see that page that made the rounds on digg, et al? |
| 07:21.47 | neoice | about the 5sec linux boot? |
| 07:22.01 | neoice | http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ |
| 07:22.09 | Arafangion | neoice: No, but wasn't that with Ubuntu? |
| 07:22.11 | Arafangion | cliks |
| 07:22.18 | neoice | its just Linux |
| 07:22.21 | neoice | they tested Fedora |
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| 07:22.34 | neoice | I think Debian and Buntu are both implementing things described in that |
| 07:22.43 | neoice | checks recent -announce mails |
| 07:23.12 | x|e | any extra steps i can take for securing my box.. ive done most of the steps in the securing Debian manual, but was wondering if i could take it further. |
| 07:23.22 | neoice | x|e: selinux? |
| 07:23.26 | Arafangion | neoice: Nice, so it'd likely make it into Lenny, or would it go into the next testing? |
| 07:23.32 | Arafangion | (Since Lenny's frozen) |
| 07:24.00 | x|e | neoice ill check it out, thank you |
| 07:24.05 | neoice | arafangion: it was the EEE team |
| 07:24.06 | neoice | http://syn.theti.ca/2008/10/13/ |
| 07:24.48 | neoice | and I'd imagine it wont make it into lenny |
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| 07:25.11 | smhar | greeting |
| 07:25.19 | neoice | but as more people throughout the ecosystem work on the problem, changes will propagate through debian |
| 07:25.37 | Arafangion | neoice: Nice. |
| 07:26.01 | neoice | x|e: SELinux is pretty nutty. unless you really need it, I'd be careful. I dont even know how often people use SELinux on Debian |
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| 07:26.25 | neoice | x|e: do you have any specific needs beyond the Securing Debian Manual or are just just paranoid? |
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| 07:27.13 | smhar | I am trying to configure my X to use my display driver properly, currently it is using vesa but I have an ATI Radeon chipset in my Toshiba laptop. dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to change any thing in the xorg.cong file, what to do? |
| 07:27.41 | x|e | neoice, well im very interested in the security of my box and even detecting break-ins. i know it may not be as common on *nix besed systems as it is on windows but it does happen.. so maybe you could say paranoid. |
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| 07:27.54 | x|e | based* even |
| 07:27.56 | neoice | smhar: all my experience with ATI involves using the non-free driver, which I've gotten working like 4 times |
| 07:28.04 | Arafangion | x|e: Detecting breakings is merely prudent. |
| 07:28.05 | neoice | x|e: integrity checker! |
| 07:28.41 | neoice | x|e: I'm running fail2ban, default DROP firewall rules, ssh-key only logins and an integrity checker |
| 07:29.05 | neoice | I could probably get more secure, but that's at least the 90% solution |
| 07:31.02 | neoice | about all that's left is chrooting services, but apache is pretty chill on its own, mysql and exim are firewalled and the others are random things |
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| 07:31.52 | neoice | security is a process, so if you are aware of the issues involved and take the measures you feel are appropriate for your system, you'll be in good shape |
| 07:33.13 | x|e | I am only using my system as a Desktop so I guess paranoid would fit my description... I do not have server applications running on this system.. but i was just wondering as my goal would be to be "as safe as i could". |
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| 07:33.37 | cads | is it possible to manually underclock and undervolt a pentium M cpu using cpuscale in debian? |
| 07:33.51 | neoice | well, not having any ports listening makes you about as secure as you can possibly get :P |
| 07:34.48 | neoice | x|e: looks like you're blocking ping requests. are you behind a consumer router? |
| 07:35.02 | x|e | yes i am |
| 07:35.11 | neoice | almost all consumer routers have firewalls these days |
| 07:35.27 | x|e | yes i know |
| 07:35.29 | Arafangion | (Which is a damn good idea) |
| 07:35.32 | neoice | the real reason to have security concerns is if you're running a service, like ssh |
| 07:35.47 | x|e | mostly i have my pc's router IP set to dmz though |
| 07:35.48 | neoice | because if you have ssh on 22 using password authentication, you will get FLOODED with attacks. |
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| 07:36.11 | Arafangion | x|e: If you're paranoid, setup sshd to accept only one user, with a OTP. |
| 07:36.15 | neoice | and trust me, its not "you might" its "you will" |
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| 07:36.44 | x|e | hmmz... |
| 07:36.47 | neoice | I'd recommend ssh-keys |
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| 07:37.42 | neoice | my home network uses AllowUser rules that only allow connections from specific hosts, but that only works for me because I have 3 external shell hosts I can bounce off in the middle |
| 07:37.47 | Wyzard | seconds that recommendation... disable PasswordAuthentication in sshd_config and use keys instead |
| 07:38.06 | neoice | since I did that, I think I've only seen 20-30 attack attempts. |
| 07:38.10 | neoice | its incredible. |
| 07:38.20 | Arafangion | prefers having a very long password, as a fallback if one has to login without using the key. |
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| 07:38.31 | starscalling | Arafangion: for the win. |
| 07:38.43 | starscalling | but there are alternatives... |
| 07:38.44 | Arafangion | neoice: I've had persistent dict attacks on my ports. |
| 07:38.47 | x|e | well if i do not have any services that listen active, i should be ok then yes? |
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| 07:39.32 | neoice | like I said, its a process, so make sure you know what your executing, make sure you dont install something that will start listening, make sure you patch |
| 07:39.35 | neoice | etc etc |
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| 07:40.37 | Arafangion | How do I forbid a package from being upgraded, using aptitude? |
| 07:40.59 | Arafangion | For example, if my kernel is working fine, I do NOT want to upgrade it. |
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| 07:41.52 | Wyzard | Arafangion: "aptitude hold <package>" from the command line, or the '=' key in interactive mode |
| 07:42.04 | Wyzard | Arafangion: Note that updates to kernel packages are generally security fixes |
| 07:42.05 | Arafangion | Perfect. |
| 07:42.31 | Arafangion | Wyzard: I've noticed, and I'm not terribly fussed with those patches at the moment. |
| 07:42.59 | Wyzard | so much that you specifically do not want the fixes? |
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| 07:43.29 | neoice | arafangion: unless you have a known issue, I'd recommend running the latest kernel. |
| 07:43.39 | Arafangion | Wyzard: It's a laptop, on for maybe 2 hours a day, exposing no services and used by only one machine. |
| 07:43.46 | Arafangion | used by only one *user* |
| 07:44.08 | Wyzard | so it's not at a lot of risk |
| 07:44.14 | Arafangion | Exactly. |
| 07:44.21 | Wyzard | but that's not a good reason to go out of your way to *prevent* security fixes from being installed |
| 07:44.46 | Arafangion | Well, if I allow apt to automatically upgrade, what happens to my old kernel? |
| 07:45.07 | Arafangion | Say, my old kernel is 2.6.18, and I'm running 2.6.24, and the latter gets upgraded. |
| 07:45.12 | Arafangion | I'd like to keep 2.6.18 |
| 07:45.17 | Wyzard | If it's an update to an existing kernel package (e.g. a security fix) the vmlinuz file gets overwritten |
| 07:45.28 | Arafangion | And explicitly upgrade when I get a major kernel update (As one of my drivers is buggy) |
| 07:45.43 | Wyzard | but a whole new kernel version would be in a separate package; the new package gets installed and the old one stays around until you remove it |
| 07:45.56 | Arafangion | Hmm, that's not so bad then. |
| 07:47.18 | Wyzard | If you have, say, the linux-image-2.6-686 metapackage installed, that'll pull in the latest kernel version as a dependency (currently linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 in etch) |
| 07:48.07 | Wyzard | When lenny gets released you'll get a new version of linux-image-2.6-686, which now depends upon a different package (linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 or something like that) instead |
| 07:48.14 | Wyzard | but linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 stays installed |
| 07:48.45 | Arafangion | I've explicitly got etchnhalf's 2.6.24 kernel installed. |
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| 07:49.42 | Wyzard | I don't know what version lenny has |
| 07:50.13 | Wyzard | It might be .25 or .26, in which case that'll be in a separate package that installs alongside your .24 |
| 07:50.20 | Arafangion | Setting up linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6) ... |
| 07:50.50 | damagednoob | is it okay to install linux images from backports? |
| 07:51.14 | Wyzard | That -etchnhalf in the package name means that even if lenny releases with 2.6.24, it'll be a different package than your current one, so the lenny one can be installed without removing the etchnhalf one |
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| 07:52.07 | Wyzard | damagednoob: That's what they're for |
| 07:53.28 | damagednoob | oh, do new stable versions reside in backports before moving to stable? |
| 07:54.12 | nocte | hi |
| 07:54.35 | Arafangion | Anyone here use Haiku? |
| 07:54.37 | nocte | do you know what this error can mean in an interface ? |
| 07:54.38 | nocte | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.40 | Wyzard | backports are unofficial packages for things that will never be officially in the corresponding stable release |
| 07:54.48 | nocte | and if it's significative |
| 07:55.01 | Wyzard | nocte: I think "errors" there refers to corrupted Ethernet frames on the wire |
| 07:55.10 | Wyzard | assuming that's an Ethernet interface |
| 07:55.15 | nocte | Wyzard: yes, thx. But "carrier" error. |
| 07:55.22 | nocte | do you know what does it means ? |
| 07:55.40 | nocte | something like : connexion cut ? |
| 07:55.49 | Wyzard | could be |
| 07:56.06 | nocte | Wyzard: do you know how to clear error in and interface ? |
| 07:56.10 | damagednoob | oh i c, thanks Wyzard |
| 07:56.32 | Wyzard | I don't know how to reset those counters, if that's what you mean |
| 07:56.47 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to; they're just counters |
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| 07:58.56 | guzu | hello all |
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| 07:59.05 | guzu | is this down? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 07:59.57 | mhymn | torrents are almost always down, no one use them really |
| 08:00.37 | Wyzard | Lots of people use them |
| 08:01.03 | Wyzard | They tend to be faster than just downloading a large .iso file from a website |
| 08:01.28 | mhymn | if there were enough seeders |
| 08:01.59 | Wyzard | I seed for awhile whenever there's a new release |
| 08:02.09 | guzu | mhymn, i suppose this is not a problem in debian community :) |
| 08:02.13 | smhar | how can I find what exact chipset my display is? |
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| 08:02.22 | guzu | lspci |
| 08:02.44 | mhymn | Wyzard: that's it, whenever there's a new release |
| 08:02.44 | guzu | you meant video controler, probably |
| 08:03.00 | smhar | guzu: yes |
| 08:03.07 | guzu | ok |
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| 08:05.34 | smhar | is there a file I can cat to find out the exact model of my video controller chip? |
| 08:06.07 | mhymn | !tell smhar about what's my hardware |
| 08:06.16 | mhymn | that might help you |
| 08:06.24 | smhar | thanks mhymn |
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| 08:28.32 | guzu | how do i disable dma during install of 40r5? |
| 08:30.34 | liable | !info dvdrip |
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| 08:31.09 | guzu | !info dma |
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| 08:31.26 | guzu | !tell guzu about dma |
| 08:31.44 | guzu | !tell guzu about disabling dma |
| 08:31.48 | mhymn | !msg the bot |
| 08:31.48 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 08:32.08 | guzu | mhymn, ok thnx |
| 08:32.13 | mhymn | ;) |
| 08:33.34 | guzu | mr. robot doesn't have aclue, anyway |
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| 08:34.54 | mhymn | guzu: i think it's probably sth like dma=off, dunno |
| 08:35.49 | guzu | mhymn, ide=nodma nodma dma=0 dma=off dma=false are not good. i've tested them :) |
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| 08:36.21 | guzu | i suppose dma support is always on in the default kernel |
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| 08:41.52 | swank_ | how do I configure apt so that it uses unstable for only one package? |
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| 08:42.49 | mhymn | guzu: take a look at http://tinyurl.com/64vrpg |
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| 08:42.57 | mhymn | if you didn't though! |
| 08:43.42 | mhymn | swank_: aptitude -t unstable ? |
| 08:44.00 | swank_ | what's that do? |
| 08:44.14 | guzu | mhymn, oh, nice work :) thnx a lot |
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| 08:45.07 | mhymn | swank_: aptitude -h will tell you --> Set the release from which packages should be installed |
| 08:45.28 | swank_ | mhymn: so should I do aptitude -t unstable upgrade isakmpd? |
| 08:46.15 | mhymn | i think so, read carefullay what aptitude tells you |
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| 08:48.08 | swank_ | I'm not able to get it to work. Could someone help me please? |
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| 08:54.46 | mhymn | swank_: what was the error? |
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| 08:54.52 | swank_ | I got it to work |
| 08:55.06 | swank_ | however, the package is depends on a newer version of libc6 |
| 08:55.24 | swank_ | so I'm not trying to compile my own .deb from the newer source, but against my libraries |
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| 08:57.45 | guzu | mhymn, hmm, in settings dma is disabled ... |
| 08:57.58 | guzu | mhymn, so maybe it worked somehow |
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| 09:02.53 | Arafangion | Hey, I'm learning french, but have an insanely basic question: How do I insert accents? |
| 09:03.47 | unixSnob | i thought ice weasel was supposed to be essentially the same as firefox, yet the two browsers act very differently when clicking the visa logo on www.bbf.be |
| 09:04.14 | Arafangion | unixSnob: Could be server-side browser detection. |
| 09:04.25 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question. do you guys know any dvd. software converting. and burning at the same. time? |
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| 09:04.41 | unixSnob | firefox and ice weasel in fact get redirected to different sites |
| 09:05.16 | liable | TiMiDo: k3b |
| 09:05.17 | unixSnob | Arafangion: there's no reason for the browsers to get different treatment in this case |
| 09:05.45 | TiMiDo | liable, can k3b convert an mpg to dvd format? |
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| 09:05.52 | Keymone | hi |
| 09:06.01 | user_ | unixSnob: still programmers of bbf.be messed it up quite likely |
| 09:06.03 | unixSnob | Arafangion: ice weasel goes to the old site (one that has been replaced). The site owner does not want visitors to go to the old site, it's being abandoned |
| 09:06.06 | liable | TiMiDo: not sure, it can do dvd to xvid though |
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| 09:06.14 | liable | avi |
| 09:06.21 | TiMiDo | hmmm okey |
| 09:06.22 | TiMiDo | let's seee |
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| 09:06.53 | K|NgGh0sT | so my LVM just crashed and when I tried to remount it came up with errors so I xfs_reapired it, now it mounts and I can read it using terminal but alas I cannot view the folder in gnome and whenever I reboot I have to repair it again |
| 09:07.41 | neoice | is there a way to use htaccess to block IPs? |
| 09:07.43 | K|NgGh0sT | have I lost all my data aswell? |
| 09:07.55 | Keymone | i have a problem with nat on sun virtualbox - anybody can advice? |
| 09:08.04 | Arafangion | unixSnob: I think Opera and Epiphany view the same page, though Opera doesn't have flash installed. |
| 09:08.17 | x|e | neoice, if ya still around i checked out that selinux setup... well ive started it but when i add selinux=1 to grub's menu.1st, then run update-grub.. it removes it.. any reason why? in the tutorials it says 2.6.x kernels support it... |
| 09:08.25 | TiMiDo | liable, i wonder why every time i open up k3b. k3b just freezes on me |
| 09:08.28 | unixSnob | user_: i just noticed that it's a flash link that i was clicking.. i have gnash for ice weasel, and flash for firefox... that's probably the difference.. gnash is handling the link differently than flash |
| 09:08.43 | Keymone | host is windows, guest is debian, windows has pptp connection to internet - is it possible to make debian have internet through nat? |
| 09:08.43 | neoice | x|e: like I said, I'm not sure how Debian handles SELinux at all. |
| 09:09.04 | x|e | ok |
| 09:09.12 | x|e | i guess i will play with it a bit... |
| 09:09.19 | user_ | unixSnob: oh.. |
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| 09:09.21 | x|e | but thanks for all your help.. |
| 09:09.21 | liable | TiMiDo: it hangs on me too, if you wait or sometimes if you open your tray it works |
| 09:09.24 | neoice | x|e: also, the automagic grub updater has a tendancy to think it knows best |
| 09:09.25 | x|e | :) |
| 09:09.37 | x|e | ahh so is there a way around that? |
| 09:10.07 | neoice | x|e: update-grub is just a friendly script that makes sure you dont break anything |
| 09:10.23 | unixSnob | Arafangion: does opera and epiphany take you to e-leven.be, or destiny.be? |
| 09:10.27 | x|e | so if i just add it and reboot? will it take? |
| 09:10.30 | neoice | x|e: so first, burn yourself a CD you can boot off and make sure you know how to mount your system if you break things |
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| 09:10.40 | neoice | x|e: THEN edit your grub config by hand. |
| 09:10.44 | x|e | ya i have a live cd |
| 09:10.58 | user_ | unixSnob: not so good programmers string check browser indentification strings and build their own set, which doesnt tend to include iceweasel (0.x marketshare (?)). can you do browser detection also in flash scripts? |
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| 09:11.24 | TiMiDo | liable, yeah the file is an avi how do you. transformit on k3b to dvd format? |
| 09:11.32 | Arafangion | unixSnob: The url remains the same as www.bbf.be |
| 09:11.32 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm guessing since I had to use xfs_repair -L I have now lost all my data? |
| 09:11.50 | x|e | ok once again thanks neoice |
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| 09:14.00 | liable | TiMiDo: dunno, look around in the menus |
| 09:14.30 | unixSnob | user_: i'm not sure. i thought initially that this was clearly an ice weasel feature.. but it could be a gnash feature |
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| 09:17.28 | user_ | unixSnob: hmm, you could try #gnash |
| 09:17.46 | unixSnob | i will |
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| 09:20.33 | K|NgGh0sT | argh, I guess time for a format |
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| 09:20.40 | K|NgGh0sT | lost all my Data again :( |
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| 09:21.12 | Crissi | hello |
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| 09:22.04 | swank_ | I've ran in to a bug in debian in isakmpd on a 64 bit machine |
| 09:22.07 | Crissi | i'm tried to install openoffice3 but i'm stuck because the librdf0 and libraptor are too old (need they from unstable)... when they will be come in testing? |
| 09:22.09 | swank_ | what should I do? |
| 09:22.22 | digifor | What kernel is currently planned for Lenny? |
| 09:22.22 | Crissi | i think the oo3 came from experimental |
| 09:22.39 | Crissi | but lenny should ship oo3 |
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| 09:24.14 | digifor | Crissi, I would agree on OO3 |
| 09:24.32 | someuser | What is the program that converts Perl modules into .deb files? |
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| 09:26.36 | someuser | found it - dh-make-perl |
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| 09:28.41 | unixSnob | I also see that the yahoo groups login screen is completely blank in iceweasel but not firefox. Anyone else notice that? |
| 09:29.11 | unixSnob | if you go to groups.yahoo.com, and click to login, the following screen is simply white, in iceweasel |
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| 09:29.59 | user_ | unixSnob: gnash doesnt have all the features implemented as flash (adobe sets the path..) |
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| 09:30.44 | unixSnob | user_: ah, is this another flash/gnash issue? I didn't think a login screen would use flash |
| 09:31.30 | Arafangion | It doesn't. |
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| 09:34.40 | user_ | Arafangion: what about all the flash interaction functions in the html source? |
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| 09:35.19 | Arafangion | user_: All I know is that Opera 9.6, which does not have flash installed, displays it fine. |
| 09:35.39 | user_ | function checkBrowser(), glad i dont have to work in their department |
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| 09:36.44 | user_ | Arafangion: i think a reason could be that in the opera case the flash routines simpley get ignored, however if they are executed and the underlying system has bugs you end up with weird results |
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| 09:37.14 | Arafangion | Quite possible. |
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| 09:45.12 | _terror_ | American suckers |
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| 09:45.32 | Arafangion | is suddenly glad to be non-american. |
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| 09:47.09 | _terror_ | Somebody, do you hear me? |
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| 09:56.54 | liable | TiMiDo: dvdrip from marillat is another option |
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| 10:14.02 | soulchild | HI all,... since I answered a bug on bugs.debian.org my E-Mail adress is visibile thorugh google, which makes it easy for spammers to get it,... is there a way to remove my answer ? |
| 10:15.13 | esds | bug #434 cannot remove mail from buglist |
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| 10:15.58 | soulchild | esds ? |
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| 10:18.07 | soulchild | esds bug not found,,... |
| 10:18.36 | swankier | isakmpd is busted badly. |
| 10:18.38 | swankier | :( |
| 10:18.47 | et | soulchild: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63995 |
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| 10:21.07 | swankier | can anyone help me debug it? |
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| 10:22.20 | burg | is debian compatible with nvidia geforce 8200? or i`ll have the same problem that i have with ubntu? |
| 10:22.45 | omry|work | what is the equivalent command to DOS 'pause' ? |
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| 10:24.05 | Tapout | when using pasv+vsftpd, i get errors... no iptables rules.. |
| 10:25.42 | user_ | omry|work: sleep? |
| 10:25.50 | omry|work | user_, nope. |
| 10:25.56 | omry|work | sleep is for a specific delay. |
| 10:26.04 | omry|work | pause just waits there till you press a key. |
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| 10:26.25 | omry|work | read -p "message" is more like it |
| 10:26.34 | user_ | omry|work: hmm, you might try the faw url in the channel topic of #bash |
| 10:26.38 | user_ | omry|work: hmm, you might try the faq url in the channel topic of #bash |
| 10:26.53 | omry|work | but that makes me wonder how I get a value from read. to have 'type yes to continue' |
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| 10:32.48 | XTZGZoReX | How can I allow root logins in KDE? |
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| 10:35.01 | Zharf | why would you want to |
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| 10:37.29 | neoice | Zharf: I log in as root in XFCE occasionally |
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| 10:38.56 | napsy_ | Hello. Is Gnome 2.24 available on debian? |
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| 10:39.00 | segosa__ | :0 |
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| 10:39.21 | segosa__ | is that the new one with tabs in nautilus |
| 10:39.28 | segosa__ | or something weird |
| 10:39.29 | napsy_ | yes |
| 10:39.36 | segosa__ | i don't think it is then, i checked yesterday |
| 10:39.38 | segosa__ | even on sid |
| 10:39.49 | napsy_ | hm ok |
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| 10:55.23 | mcdaniels | is there a known acpi issue on debian lenny |
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| 10:56.02 | stanlin | aint acpi always a problem? |
| 10:56.12 | mcdaniels | i am not able to start from network installer CD until i use acpi=off |
| 10:56.25 | mcdaniels | stalin: i dont know is it? |
| 10:57.04 | mcdaniels | stalin: the problem is, that when acpi is of the notebook does no power down when shutdown and there is no chance to get powersaving to work properly (cpu throtteling etc...) |
| 10:57.09 | stanlin | why you just dont disable the acpi |
| 10:57.21 | stanlin | oh i see |
| 10:57.28 | stanlin | what kernel? |
| 10:57.38 | stanlin | amd64? :D |
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| 10:57.55 | mcdaniels | no . 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 10:58.04 | stanlin | try 386 |
| 10:58.31 | mcdaniels | i really got a fight yesterday with the dell vostro 1000 notebook ... i only say ndiswrapper ;) |
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| 10:58.58 | maligor | I think you only need ndiswrapper with marvell now? |
| 10:59.12 | maligor | or some obscure stuff |
| 10:59.22 | mcdaniels | maligor: i got no chance to get the broadcom unit running without ndis. |
| 10:59.41 | maligor | 2.6.26 should have b43 |
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| 10:59.47 | stanlin | mayeb trying etch and half |
| 11:00.17 | mcdaniels | stanlin: i tried too, but there where lots of problems |
| 11:00.33 | maligor | mcdaniels, what does it stop at? |
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| 11:01.07 | stanlin | mcdaniels: Ubuntu |
| 11:01.09 | mcdaniels | maligor: do you mean concerning acpi? |
| 11:01.14 | maligor | yes |
| 11:01.20 | maligor | when it initializes it? |
| 11:01.24 | mcdaniels | stanlin: no thanks not ubuntu... |
| 11:01.50 | chomwitt | hi, trying to install a wacom bamboo tablet in etch (backported with new kernel) i stuck at /dev/input/eventX . eg i set a X=6, in xorg conf file's input devices but after reboot it's in another !! how can i fix it? |
| 11:01.58 | mcdaniels | maligor: in fact the network installer of lenny stops booting with an "Mp ... bios Bug... concerning ACPI" |
| 11:02.20 | mcdaniels | and my running lenny .. hm.. one moment please |
| 11:02.22 | maligor | ouch |
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| 11:03.01 | maligor | you could sacrifice a goat to corporate stupidity and check if there's a bios update for it |
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| 11:03.25 | maligor | or see if someone has made a workaround and make your own install cd |
| 11:03.46 | maligor | (or file a bug) |
| 11:04.24 | mcdaniels | maligor: no bios update i checked that |
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| 11:06.15 | stanlin | mcdaniels: maybe if exchange the vostro for an XPS |
| 11:07.05 | mcdaniels | stanlin: well its not mine |
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| 11:07.40 | mcdaniels | the exact errormessage of the netinstaller is : mp-bios bug: 8254 timer not connected to io-apic |
| 11:07.42 | stanlin | mcdaniels: there is some hardware where you cant install Debian |
| 11:08.29 | mcdaniels | stanlin: it was a litte wired to install (lenny) i installed debian etch and then i dist-upgraded to lenny |
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| 11:09.06 | mcdaniels | stanlin: lenny works so for except acpi , cpu-throtteling and (thats the big one) shutdown does not work |
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| 11:10.06 | stanlin | mcdaniels: Windows Vista, i heard it does marvelous things |
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| 11:10.54 | mcdaniels | stanlin: what do you mean? |
| 11:11.58 | neoice | has anyone ever seen apache access logs that had like http://not-my-domain type entries? |
| 11:12.02 | neoice | 302 redirects? |
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| 11:13.41 | Noodels | Hi there, I've pinpointed a problem and I know what I want to do, but I'm new to debian so I need a pointer on how to go about that. I've got wireless working with ndiswrapper and I can use it (now for example) if I manually configure it with Desktop->Administration->Networking. But if I use the nm-applet it crashes, I've googled the problem and decided to blame gnome-keyring-manager. I just need to install a later versi |
| 11:13.41 | Noodels | on of gnome-keyring-manager, how would I do that? |
| 11:14.34 | mcdaniels | stanlin: what would you like to say with "Vista?!" |
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| 11:15.24 | stanlin | use vista man |
| 11:15.44 | paxcoder | that's what I thought. trolling. |
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| 11:16.11 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Does anybody knows whether Broadcom drivers from Dell will reach Debian? |
| 11:16.14 | stanlin | even better, get Ubuntu |
| 11:18.07 | paxcoder | canonical is a leech on free software. |
| 11:18.08 | mcdaniels | stanlin: i think this is no good workaround ;) |
| 11:18.29 | stanlin | mcdaniels: recompile the kernel |
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| 11:18.53 | paxcoder | stanlin, how about changing channels? |
| 11:19.05 | erawfish | !tell Noodels about backports |
| 11:19.25 | stanlin | bios channels may help |
| 11:19.27 | erawfish | Noodels: if none is available (likely) you need to wait or insall a nweer debian release like lenny |
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| 11:19.58 | Noodels | erawfish: Alright, thanks for the advice. If I can't do that, can I just work around nm-applet? |
| 11:20.25 | erawfish | yes. use /etc/network/interfaces and ignore that stupid gnome crap |
| 11:20.30 | erawfish | man interfaces |
| 11:21.25 | stanlin | what is nm-applet? i just hardcode the network config |
| 11:21.32 | mcdaniels | btw when booting the installed system without the acpi=off option the boot stops at: ACPI: EC: non-query interrupt received , switching to interrupt mode |
| 11:21.38 | mcdaniels | stanlin:networkmanager |
| 11:21.56 | erawfish | mcdaniels: ignore him. he's a trolling moron. please |
| 11:22.13 | mcdaniels | erawfish: ok |
| 11:22.15 | stanlin | mcdaniels: switch off apci until debian releases a new version |
| 11:22.15 | Noodels | erawfish: Excellent, then I'll have gotten my first wireless usb device working. |
| 11:22.36 | erawfish | mcdaniels: what kernels have you tried? |
| 11:22.50 | mcdaniels | erawfish: the newest lenny |
| 11:22.57 | erawfish | that is no answer |
| 11:23.04 | mcdaniels | mom |
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| 11:24.13 | mcdaniels | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 11:25.12 | stanlin | mcdaniels: have you tried the 386? |
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| 11:30.17 | erawfish | mcdaniels: the etch kernel on install worked? |
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| 11:36.43 | mcdaniels | erawfish: yes |
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| 11:37.13 | mcdaniels | erawfish: i am not sure wheter the errormessage concerning the biosbug was also there but the bootup worked |
| 11:38.32 | mcdaniels | erawfish: seems 2.6.18-k7 works too.... |
| 11:39.02 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 11:39.18 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.23 | bbelt16ag | stable |
| 11:39.31 | bbelt16ag | I tried everything in this how to |
| 11:39.39 | bbelt16ag | even edited a init.d script |
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| 11:39.43 | bbelt16ag | still didn't work.. |
| 11:40.38 | Lz | bbelt16ag: wake on lan is generally fairly tricky, since it requires that the card be left with wake on lan enabled on shutdown, cause most drivers disable it on boot up |
| 11:43.40 | bbelt16ag | why |
| 11:43.45 | bbelt16ag | why do they make it so diffcult? |
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| 11:44.28 | bbelt16ag | how do I disable the driver from disabling WOL of shutdown and boot up |
| 11:45.07 | segosa__ | why do you press spacebar so much |
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| 11:46.40 | PiousMinion | if gnome recommends gnome-office why doesn't removing gnome remove gnome-office? |
| 11:46.43 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
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| 11:47.15 | paxcoder | darnit i hate when they say hybrid kernel. |
| 11:47.30 | stanlin | its hybrid the kernel |
| 11:47.51 | paxcoder | it's like saying: "the kernel is of some architecture". |
| 11:47.56 | maligor | paxcoder, who's they? |
| 11:48.04 | paxcoder | maligor, kernel devs :-) |
| 11:48.20 | user_ | PiousMinion: maybe because the link is recommended only? |
| 11:48.38 | maligor | linux is starting to have some hybrid concepts |
| 11:48.44 | paxcoder | maligor, i'm speaking generally. whenever I find some OS, they say kernel is a hybrid (or at least wikipedia does) |
| 11:48.57 | maligor | how is that a problem?-) |
| 11:49.06 | paxcoder | maligor, it tells nothing |
| 11:49.09 | PiousMinion | user_: I'm not following. :/ |
| 11:49.14 | maligor | hybrid kernel is the most practical design |
| 11:49.30 | paxcoder | maligor, hybrid kernel is not a design per se |
| 11:49.34 | paxcoder | it's mix and mach |
| 11:49.36 | maligor | it's an idea |
| 11:49.42 | user_ | PiousMinion: there is no strict dependy for installation, so there is also none for deinstalltion (at least i guess so) |
| 11:49.44 | paxcoder | and you never know what's mixed and what's matched |
| 11:50.00 | paxcoder | we need better terminology otherwise it's useless. |
| 11:50.17 | maligor | the charasteristics of micro and monolithic kernels are pretty well defined |
| 11:50.24 | paxcoder | maligor, yes? |
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| 11:50.47 | maligor | micro kernels separate the kernel into tiny blocks that have defined communication protocols |
| 11:50.54 | maligor | monolithic kernels are a blob of code |
| 11:51.07 | maligor | but this is very ot |
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| 11:51.40 | paxcoder | maligor, yes, sorry about that. I just don't know why you described micro vs monolythinc now. |
| 11:51.57 | paxcoder | maligor, plz join #debian-offtopic |
| 11:52.12 | maligor | why? |
| 11:52.28 | paxcoder | maligor, so we can continue discussion... that is if you want to. |
| 11:52.42 | maligor | heh, you can read on the topic on wikipedia if you like :P |
| 11:53.00 | paxcoder | maligor, i'm quite familiar with the topic |
| 11:53.02 | paxcoder | nevermind. |
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| 11:53.34 | maligor | underlaying design principles |
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| 11:54.04 | hellues | are there a channel for opera web browser |
| 11:55.00 | user_ | hellues: #opera |
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| 11:55.15 | stanlin | Opera still exists? |
| 11:55.55 | PiousMinion | aparently |
| 11:57.24 | enouf | bbelt16ag: is that a desktop? you should have a thin 3 wire connection from your NIC to your mobo header for WOL functionality, if it's a PCI NIC Card - also 'ethtool' can show you status and set it |
| 11:57.54 | enouf | bbelt16ag: there's also usually a corresponding BIOS entry |
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| 11:59.33 | enouf | bbelt16ag: some have a specific options for WOL/WOMR (WakeOnLan / WakeOnModemRing), some roll that into network options, and some roll it into PME (Power Manangement Enable) on the PCI Bus config .. so, poke about ;-) |
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| 12:00.59 | enouf | bbelt16ag: as root, or sudo ethtool eth0 | grep Wake-on (for example) |
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| 12:01.31 | msshams | koala_man: excuse me, but after many act make leave this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62853/ can you tell me that how apt-cache works and how can i find problem from this errors? thank you |
| 12:02.11 | enouf | msshams: wrong channel ;-) (or wrong nick) try ##linux :-p |
| 12:02.11 | msshams | after many act, make command leave this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62853/ can you tell me that what is problem? thank you |
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| 12:02.54 | unop | msshams, why not follow these instructions here? http://dev.mysql.com/workbench/?p=158 |
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| 12:13.42 | Zider | why is firefox called iceweasel in debian? |
| 12:14.03 | bluesceada | because it got too much patches from the debian maintainers |
| 12:14.16 | bluesceada | so the mozilla people dont want it to be still called firefox |
| 12:14.23 | petemc | Zider: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 12:14.33 | bluesceada | so they dont get bugreports which dont happen in the real firefox |
| 12:14.33 | maligor | because ice is cooler than fire |
| 12:14.56 | nubbun | recommendations on media players that mesh well with debian? |
| 12:15.07 | Zider | I see |
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| 12:15.42 | Arafangion | Zider: There were other philsophical, ideological, and legal reasons. |
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| 12:15.57 | Zider | I don't suppose Nero is around under another name too? :P |
| 12:16.21 | enouf | Zider: k3b |
| 12:16.28 | enouf | there's also a Nero4Linux |
| 12:16.35 | Arafangion | Zider: Nero isn't opensource, and thus isn't forked, unless you're talking about a clone, which would of course have to have a different name. |
| 12:16.46 | Arafangion | enouf: Does that use wine? |
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| 12:17.00 | Arafangion | enouf: If so, how the <censored> does wine manage to be that good? :) |
| 12:17.10 | Zider | enouf: k3b sucks ass inho.. I never liked any of those gui-for-console-apps.. |
| 12:17.18 | enouf | Arafangion: i guess you cuold run regular windows Nero in WINE, and natively run Nero4Linux |
| 12:17.21 | Arafangion | xcdroast isn't bad. |
| 12:17.40 | Zider | linux nero doesn't need wine |
| 12:17.46 | Arafangion | Interesting. |
| 12:17.48 | enouf | Zider: er .. a) no k3b doesn't suck, and b) i don't use GUIs for that either |
| 12:18.08 | Zider | enouf: imho |
| 12:18.17 | enouf | Arafangion: a nice plain, and very powerful windows burning free app is ImgBurn |
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| 12:18.46 | enouf | it's from the author of DVDCrypt or Shrink, i forget which |
| 12:18.59 | Arafangion | enouf: I just mount it using a tool whose name I forget, but which I have to cross my fingers and hope I don't get a bluescreen when I use it. :) |
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| 12:19.05 | Zider | dvdshrink is nice, I just wish there was a linux port.. |
| 12:19.07 | Arafangion | Bloody vista. |
| 12:19.30 | enouf | haha |
| 12:19.39 | liable | dvdrip is ok |
| 12:20.11 | liable | or if your that cool, just use transcode on the cli |
| 12:20.38 | Zider | I miss all the options for individual compression for each title and stuff like that |
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| 12:21.34 | liable | is using dvdrip now. its fairly good. closest to dvdshrink i have seen in linux |
| 12:21.38 | Zider | and it seems to handle arccos, which nothing in linux seems to manage very well.. |
| 12:21.50 | ma3x | will on nov. 2 EST shift one hour back? |
| 12:21.59 | Zider | s/very well/at all/ |
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| 12:22.01 | Zider | :P |
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| 12:32.21 | mcdaniels | erawfish: looks like the 2.6.26-686 kernel really causes the trouble with acpi. Kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 works very well |
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| 12:34.56 | abrotman | /sys/! |
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| 12:35.42 | xand | gets confused by end of DST :| |
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| 12:42.11 | mcdaniels | well now, thanks for the support. cya folks! |
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| 12:52.34 | stanlin | mcdaniels: I've told you from the beginning dont use amd64 or 686, silly |
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| 12:54.28 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:54.36 | abrotman | and he's gone |
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| 12:57.43 | EmleyMoor | An app has crashed and left me viewing just part of my desktop at a time (pannable). How do I restore normal viewing? |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: xrandr |
| 12:58.56 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: and quit playing games! |
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| 13:02.44 | EmleyMoor | Can't see how to restore normality with that |
| 13:03.27 | danners | hey i have a old laptop with a celeron(copermine) processor with 497 Mhz, which kernel should i use under lenny? |
| 13:04.19 | googlah | danners: Just a guess, but think 686 would go just as fine.. |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: --size ? |
| 13:07.20 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: sorted |
| 13:07.33 | segosa__ | danners: it doesn't really matter |
| 13:07.42 | abrotman | god .. my laptop looks bad at non-native resolution :) |
| 13:07.47 | trifler | Hello I'm currently running stable and I'm in my linux learning phase so to speak. I would like to try finch (command line im) instead of bitlbee which I'm not very happy with. Now finch isen't avail for stable through aptitude how can I solve this? |
| 13:08.05 | paxcoder|afk | abrotman, the joys of LCD |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | trifler: finch is available at backports.org .. or you move your box to lenny |
| 13:08.21 | abrotman | paxcoder|afk: that smells like sarcasm |
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| 13:08.45 | segosa__ | trifler: if you're running it as a desktop you may as well use lenny |
| 13:08.46 | H3g3m0n | trifler: You might also like to try centericq, its a bit simpler interface than finch (which makes sense for the terminal) |
| 13:08.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: paxcoder|afk is merely being informative, LCD screens are indeed excellent. :) |
| 13:08.54 | paxcoder|afk | abrotman, well, yeah. crt is scalable. lcd is fixed. so they do funny things with pixels |
| 13:08.58 | Arafangion | heaps layers and layers of... something over it. |
| 13:09.21 | saulus | hi, after an dist-upgrade changing stable to lenny I could no longer connect my XP-machines to my samba domain. I suppose dnsmasq to have problems. Windows tells me having problems with SRV (no entry for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.MYDOMAIN). I would be very happy for any hints! |
| 13:09.24 | trifler | segosa__: Not I don't |
| 13:09.25 | paxcoder|afk | Arafangion, excellent in native res, or some res that is /2 of the orig |
| 13:09.38 | Arafangion | paxcoder|afk: To be fair, CRT's have the same problem, but in a substantially different fashion - CRT's /also/ have a native resolutions. |
| 13:09.39 | EmleyMoor | is still on CRT |
| 13:09.56 | segosa__ | trifler: server? |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | saulus: i think there's a bug in the BTS about that stuff not working in lenny |
| 13:10.15 | trifler | segosa__: Yes, or as a "learning enviroment" |
| 13:10.21 | abrotman | !tell trifler about bpo |
| 13:10.38 | saulus | abrotman: what is BTS? I changed lenny back to stable and reinstalled samba and dnsmasq. |
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| 13:10.59 | abrotman | saulus: bugs.debian.org/ipmasq .. for example |
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| 13:11.34 | abrotman | but they moved the bug from ipmasq to something else |
| 13:11.36 | saulus | abrotman: after downgrading dnsmasq, there shouldnt be any problem left? |
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| 13:12.06 | abrotman | saulus: i thought it was a kernel bug .. (and i personally would rather fix that than mix versions of debian) |
| 13:12.39 | Arafangion | Mixed installs are /not/ fun. |
| 13:13.17 | saulus | ok abrotman - when this is a kernel bug, it would help me to do a downgrade with the kernel, right (I also dont like mixing versions, but I have to have the system running, sooon!) |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | saulus: look in the BTS for the bug before you downgrade random things |
| 13:14.27 | abrotman | can you even boot the old etch kernel ? |
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| 13:15.48 | gribouille | hi |
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| 13:16.15 | saulus | abrotman: I dont know if I can boot the old kernel. And I dont know how to go on. I dont know a catchword for looking in the bugdatabase, because I cant locate the problem. (Is is samba, Ldap, dnsmasq, the kernel, or something else). |
| 13:16.43 | abrotman | saulus: try the old kernel first .. if that doesn't boot, you'll have to start looking at something else to get it working |
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| 13:16.55 | gribouille | I've just built a source package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S. how can I build the resulting tar.gz source package ? |
| 13:16.59 | saulus | thank you abrotman |
| 13:17.38 | Farhadix | Hi guys, when after hibernating my microphone doesn't work until restart system, by restarting witch daemon i can fix this? |
| 13:18.00 | gribouille | I've just built a source package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S. how can I build the resulting tar.gz source package to get a binary package ? |
| 13:18.01 | cahoot | alsa-utils I'd guess |
| 13:18.16 | Akuw | hi can i delete all files in /var/log/mysql ? |
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| 13:18.37 | trifler | abrotman: Ty |
| 13:18.44 | Farhadix | Akuw, ask this in mysql channel, not here |
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| 13:19.04 | cahoot | Farhadix: try restarting alsa and/or alsa-utils |
| 13:19.09 | trifler | Now I have another problem it doesn't really look like http://www.instantmessagingplanet.com/img/2008/04/finch_figure2.png when i start it up |
| 13:19.31 | Farhadix | cahoot, i'm testing now |
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| 13:21.04 | trifler | I looks like this :S http://farva.bsnet.se/~trifler/images/finch_weird.png |
| 13:21.08 | gribouille | I've just built a source package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S. how can I build the resulting tar.gz source package to get a binary package ? |
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| 13:23.22 | Farhadix | cahoot, if "sound-recorder test.ogg" is recording command, doesn't work! |
| 13:24.16 | Arafangion | !doesn't work |
| 13:24.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:24.47 | cahoot | Farhadix: you restarted alsa and alsa-utils? |
| 13:24.52 | Farhadix | yes |
| 13:24.55 | Arafangion | Farhadix: Ah, sorry, that response wasn't entirely suitable for you - you HAVE provided some info. Ignore that. |
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| 13:25.15 | Farhadix | Arafangion, np |
| 13:25.33 | cahoot | Farhadix: tried arecord (simplest possible recordin app) |
| 13:25.38 | cahoot | ? |
| 13:25.43 | Farhadix | wait |
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| 13:27.13 | Farhadix | cahoot, dosen't work. my microphone is good |
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| 13:27.55 | cahoot | Farhadix: I take it there's no errormsg |
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| 13:28.46 | Farhadix | no error, arecord made a file with 44Byte size only |
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| 13:30.22 | cahoot | Farhadix: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* list any apps bound to sounddevices? |
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| 13:30.46 | alex^ | how does one enable colours on the terminal? |
| 13:30.53 | alex^ | do that programs such as emacs use them |
| 13:31.03 | alex^ | ive done a base install with netinst, and im using putty |
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| 13:32.06 | Farhadix | cahoot this is output, /dev/snd/controlC0: Farhadix 4692 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 13:32.45 | cahoot | Farhadix: nothing troublesome there I'd say |
| 13:33.22 | cahoot | Farhadix: if you run alsamixer - is the mic enabled? |
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| 13:34.04 | kopernikus | does debian support more than one mysql server running? |
| 13:35.33 | alex^ | koan: yes |
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| 13:35.52 | Farhadix | cahoot, No bar for Mic, but capture's bar is full |
| 13:36.08 | cahoot | and not muted? |
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| 13:37.10 | Farhadix | cahoot, I didn't see anything about muting |
| 13:38.49 | kopernikus | the init script looks wrong, especially the mysql_get_param function doesn't even look at the current config |
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| 13:41.39 | segosa__ | wow, finch is nice. |
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| 13:47.21 | PiousMinion | Anyone know where I can find an example grub menu.lst file that uses UUIDs? |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | google ? |
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| 13:47.51 | PiousMinion | I have been and still am googleing. :/ |
| 13:47.56 | Farhadix | cahoot, when I start sound-recorder, this is out put of fuser: /dev/dsp: Farhadix 18316 f.... sound-recorder |
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| 13:49.17 | cahoot | Farhadix: hardly the explanation - sorry no really good ideas |
| 13:49.46 | Farhadix | cahoot, thanks :D |
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| 13:51.41 | Photosynthesis | apt-get -y install postfix without prompts... possible? I already tried numerous things... help! |
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| 13:52.53 | jamon | Photosynthesis: rephrase, what is the problem? |
| 13:53.46 | PiousMinion | jamon: seems like he wants no prompts. "quiet" |
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| 13:54.27 | jamon | PiousMinion: google menu.lst root=uuid and you'll find what you need |
| 13:54.37 | PiousMinion | jamon: thanks |
| 13:55.12 | burg | the image i downloaded from debian.org is not bootable |
| 13:55.19 | burg | where else can i download debian from? |
| 13:55.45 | JPT | burg: it should be bootable... |
| 13:55.57 | Photosynthesis | Ook |
| 13:56.00 | JPT | it always was |
| 13:56.18 | Photosynthesis | On debian/ubuntu I run as root apt-get -y install postfix |
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| 13:56.32 | guzu | how can i make pcmcia card work with debian? it is not aquiring dhcp config .... |
| 13:56.37 | burg | yes, but it is not |
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| 13:57.03 | Photosynthesis | I am prompted for various options, i want to just have postfix installed with me haveing to push buttons, in other words from a script... |
| 13:57.24 | abrotman | Photosynthesis: either you're using ubuntu or debian .. which is it ? |
| 13:57.46 | Photosynthesis | cough.. ubuntu, but they aare the same package promopts |
| 13:57.53 | abrotman | Photosynthesis: then ask #ubuntu |
| 13:58.02 | jamon | Photosynthesis: postfix needs configuration, e.g. is it a local mda only, relay, full smtp? |
| 13:58.14 | themill | Photosynthesis: find out about debconf preseeding and ask #ubuntu how to use it |
| 13:58.43 | burg | is there any other location to download it? |
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| 13:59.01 | burg | i downloaded 1st dvd for 64bit version |
| 13:59.09 | Photosynthesis | Ive tried debconf |
| 13:59.12 | Photosynthesis | apt-get -y install postfix without prompts... possible? I already tried numerous things... help! |
| 13:59.20 | jamon | burg: everywhere else mirrors waht you have, did you check the md5sum? |
| 13:59.27 | Photosynthesis | sorry bout last post |
| 13:59.31 | burg | no, i didn`t |
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| 13:59.40 | abrotman | Photosynthesis: go to #ubuntu |
| 13:59.48 | Photosynthesis | Ive tried http://blog.hjksolutions.com/articles/2007/07/27/unattended-package-installation-with-debian-and-ubuntu |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | Photosynthesis: go to #ubuntu |
| 14:00.03 | Photosynthesis | im in there too :) |
| 14:00.11 | abrotman | Photosynthesis: we cannot support Ubuntu here, ask #ubuntu or ##linux .. do NOT ask here |
| 14:00.57 | Photosynthesis | ok |
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| 14:11.30 | assasukasse | abrotman: btw i noticed that bubuntu managed to solve the problem of not working headers in custom kernels..so far no news for debian getting the patch (of course IF they sent it) |
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| 14:12.32 | assasukasse | cuz i am with lenny on my lap which requires me to compile modules for hotkeys (pcc-acpi) and i can't w/o working headers.. |
| 14:12.43 | assasukasse | and damn i deleted the kernel source once i baked it |
| 14:12.44 | jamon | assasukasse: what probem is that? i haven't had any problems with my kernel builds |
| 14:13.08 | assasukasse | jamon: if you bake ur kernel, the package kernel-heades is b0rked |
| 14:13.20 | assasukasse | is from 2.6.xx that i have this problem |
| 14:13.23 | assasukasse | so far no light... |
| 14:13.37 | assasukasse | and seems that the bug is pretty abandonware |
| 14:14.23 | enouf | assasukasse: rebuild ; done |
| 14:14.40 | jamon | assasukasse: if you delete the source for your installed kernel, of course you can't use the tree for module builds.. just don't delete the source |
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| 14:14.44 | enouf | 1.5 hours on my p2 ; done |
| 14:14.57 | jamon | keep a .config of it around, email it to yourself or something |
| 14:15.20 | enouf | just the config itself won't help |
| 14:15.32 | assasukasse | no jamon, if i have the kernel-headers package...i don't need the sources |
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| 14:15.51 | jamon | well obviously you do if you can't build a module.. |
| 14:15.51 | enouf | yes you do, if you bake your own |
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| 14:16.30 | assasukasse | but keeping the kernel source is a mess...200mb |
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| 14:16.42 | enouf | lmao |
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| 14:17.19 | jamon | so use a debian supplied kernel then |
| 14:17.27 | jamon | or, have you looked into make-kpkg? |
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| 14:17.59 | LadyNikon | morning |
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| 14:18.45 | burg | how can i check md5sun for an image cd? |
| 14:19.17 | enouf | run md5sum on it |
| 14:19.33 | burg | md5sum being what? function? program? |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | assasukasse: i'm not sure what you're referring to .. but kernel-pkg covers that ? |
| 14:20.14 | assasukasse | jamon: i dont want to use a vanilla kernel...make-kpkg is the one that gives borked packages.. |
| 14:20.23 | KRF | burg, binary. run `md5sum /path/to/image.iso` |
| 14:20.26 | enouf | coreutils: /usr/bin/md5sum |
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| 14:20.53 | burg | and from windows? |
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| 14:21.11 | KRF | burg, google for an tool |
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| 14:21.18 | KRF | i am sure there is at least one |
| 14:21.32 | jamon | assasukasse: no it doesn't, and use make oldconfig |
| 14:21.35 | enouf | md5summer is one |
| 14:21.50 | assasukasse | jamon ok thanks i will try |
| 14:22.38 | assasukasse | abrotman: is a while i get broken kernel headers using debian package system on a custom kernel..seems a well known bug of debian but is quite a while nobody looks into that |
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| 14:23.06 | enouf | judd: versions kernel-package |
| 14:23.08 | judd | enouf: kernel-package: 10.067 (etch) 11.001-0.1 (lenny) 11.0011 (sid) |
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| 14:23.52 | enouf | assasukasse: you used debian sources for your custom kernel |
| 14:23.54 | enouf | ? |
| 14:24.19 | assasukasse | enouf: yup |
| 14:24.19 | enouf | i've used make-kpkg with both |
| 14:24.58 | enouf | check what the changelogs for lenny/sid versions of kernel-package say - and see BTS |
| 14:25.15 | enouf | the changelogs will have bug report #s |
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| 14:25.46 | abrotman | assasukasse: in lenny? |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | assasukasse: wait .. which package are you installing? and how are you building it? |
| 14:26.16 | assasukasse | for example i have /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-vanilla/include/asm which is not linking to the correct folder |
| 14:26.19 | enouf | <assasukasse> cuz i am with lenny on my lap which requires me to compile modules for hotkeys (pcc-acpi) and i can't w/o working headers.. |
| 14:26.47 | assasukasse | im missing /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-mc/include/asm-x86 |
| 14:26.55 | abrotman | that's not a lenny kernel .. firstly |
| 14:27.00 | enouf | indeed |
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| 14:28.12 | assasukasse | i know abrotman |
| 14:28.18 | assasukasse | i need to try with the latest one |
| 14:28.21 | assasukasse | .25 |
| 14:28.26 | assasukasse | ok i start building it |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | lenny has .26 |
| 14:28.32 | assasukasse | already? |
| 14:28.33 | assasukasse | good |
| 14:28.38 | assasukasse | i compile .26 then |
| 14:28.52 | assasukasse | im using an etch machine at now |
| 14:29.02 | assasukasse | lenny is on the laptop |
| 14:29.03 | enouf | [10:12:22] <enouf> assasukasse: rebuild ; done |
| 14:29.06 | enouf | :-) |
| 14:29.20 | assasukasse | :) |
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| 14:30.13 | abrotman | assasukasse: tried just using the standard .26 kernel ? |
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| 14:30.54 | guzu | how can i configure services in debian 4 ? |
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| 14:30.58 | pettals | hi, i am tried to install bootsplash in my debian etch box, but then it's not gettong installed. i did apt-get install bootsplash, the necessary initrd image was created and grub was modifed |
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| 14:35.25 | assasukasse | abrotman: no but i will since i am in etch at now |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | okay .. have fun |
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| 14:36.17 | man_in_ltop | i having some trouble with bluetooth |
| 14:36.23 | man_in_ltop | my phone can't find my desktop |
| 14:36.34 | man_in_ltop | s/desktop/laptop/g |
| 14:37.39 | man_in_ltop | ahhh nvm, i fixed it |
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| 14:38.34 | man_in_ltop | now it's just not accepting files |
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| 14:40.11 | Arch3Angel | hey everyone anyone awake this early |
| 14:40.15 | Arch3Angel | or late if your me |
| 14:40.16 | Arch3Angel | :) |
| 14:40.23 | man_in_ltop | Arch3Angel, no |
| 14:40.30 | man_in_ltop | no one is awake |
| 14:40.33 | man_in_ltop | we are both sleep-chatting |
| 14:40.53 | Arch3Angel | cool then i will fit right in |
| 14:40.54 | Arch3Angel | lol |
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| 14:41.01 | Arch3Angel | isn't lenny the testing platform |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | currently yes |
| 14:41.12 | boodie | Hi: how can I restart inetd? |
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| 14:41.27 | abrotman | boodie: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 14:41.42 | Arch3Angel | i just got a cd of vyatta which is a deb based router/firewall/etc solution |
| 14:41.56 | Arch3Angel | i just did a cat on the version and it is using lenny/sid |
| 14:42.00 | Arch3Angel | shocked me |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | it's still not Debian |
| 14:42.14 | Arch3Angel | true |
| 14:42.17 | man_in_ltop | what's a program that is capable of receiving files via bluetooth? |
| 14:42.19 | Arch3Angel | just shocked me |
| 14:42.35 | meandrain | vyatta they advertise is "cisco" like but free and better :D |
| 14:42.37 | Arch3Angel | i wanted to make sure i was not losing my mind |
| 14:42.53 | Arch3Angel | it is really nice but i would not say it is cisco closer to juniper |
| 14:42.57 | assasukasse | abrotman: what happened to me is this http://translate.google.it/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelperion.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F05%2F11%2Fpacchetti-deb-linux-headers-custom-come-fixarli%2F&sl=it&tl=en&hl=it&ie=UTF-8 but i need to try with .26 kernel..however just to know what i was talking about |
| 14:42.58 | man_in_ltop | Arch3Angel, depends if you ever had one you COULD use ;) |
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| 14:43.04 | Arch3Angel | and cant handle large corps small to mid |
| 14:43.17 | Arch3Angel | good point i lost it years ago in the army |
| 14:43.18 | Arch3Angel | lol |
| 14:43.59 | Arch3Angel | i was just trying to get some tools i like to have like vim |
| 14:44.24 | Arch3Angel | and it would not allow me - so i went to get more repos and found lenny - just wanted to make sure i was not losing my mind |
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| 14:44.48 | Arch3Angel | whats the repos to use with lenny/sid |
| 14:44.56 | MSone | hi all |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | assasukasse: that translation is awful :) |
| 14:45.10 | MSone | i have a big problem at my machine |
| 14:45.12 | boodie | sorry: I have got etch; there is no '/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart' |
| 14:45.14 | assasukasse | abrotman: blame google :D i know is crapland :D |
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| 14:45.18 | enouf | guzu: /msg dpkg services |
| 14:45.23 | enouf | guzu: or be more specific |
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| 14:45.27 | MSone | dpkg: command not found |
| 14:45.27 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | assasukasse: i believe kernel-package has been fixed since then |
| 14:45.39 | abrotman | MSone: not debian ? |
| 14:45.40 | assasukasse | great |
| 14:45.47 | MSone | debian 4 |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | assasukasse: just not in etch :( |
| 14:46.01 | guzu | enouf, i wanna start the network but i don't know how |
| 14:46.07 | assasukasse | abrotman: buawww :( |
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| 14:46.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I have a problem I can't get debian to detect my PC-CARD network card because I have to boot off the network and I want to do a network install could someone assist me? |
| 14:46.37 | enouf | guzu: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 14:46.47 | callahad | Debian-installer question: Toward the end of the installation, you're prompted to install tasks ("Standard System", "Web Server", etc.) Is there any way to see what packages each of these tasks install? |
| 14:46.49 | abrotman | MSone: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:46.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | I got ubuntu to install correctly but it was way too to even work... |
| 14:46.54 | enouf | !tell guzu -about rcconf |
| 14:47.02 | abrotman | callahad: tasksel --task-packages <taskname> |
| 14:47.05 | guzu | enouf, once, but how can i do it every time i start computer? dhclient solved the problem for now |
| 14:47.10 | MSone | 4.0 |
| 14:47.20 | callahad | abrotman: Excellent, thanks :)\ |
| 14:47.24 | enouf | !tell guzu -about interfaces |
| 14:47.29 | MSone | abrotman : 4.0 |
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| 14:47.31 | enouf | !tell guzu -about dhclient |
| 14:47.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | does anyone have a suggestion as to a linux distro that would work well on a P2 300 Mhz laptop? |
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| 14:47.46 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: debian of course :) |
| 14:47.52 | meandrain | :D indeed |
| 14:47.53 | MSone | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) |
| 14:48.03 | Arch3Angel | sorry back |
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| 14:48.05 | MSone | wene i want install it |
| 14:48.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: could you assist me in getting the network install working correctly? |
| 14:48.13 | MSone | apt-get install dpkg |
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| 14:48.48 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: I don't know, I never tried installing by booting from the network |
| 14:49.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: gah because I can get it to boot then it still wants the cd-rom and I'm like wtf |
| 14:49.11 | omry_|work | I have a strange name resolution problem. host localhost returns "Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" . localhost IS defined in /etc/hosts. any idea? |
| 14:49.21 | Arch3Angel | what repos should I use for lenny |
| 14:49.27 | meandrain | THE_GFR|WORK: if you need linux on your 300 mhz laptop for gui, and you want install X.org, then either buy a new laptop or use a light windows manager like black box for example |
| 14:49.29 | Arch3Angel | or sid which ever you prefer |
| 14:49.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | meandrain: can you assist me with that? |
| 14:49.48 | meandrain | but you should have some RAM at least... |
| 14:50.03 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: if networking is working, just comment out the cdrom line |
| 14:50.04 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst see "Network boot" |
| 14:50.07 | MSone | plz help me |
| 14:50.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | meandrain: I have 128MB ram |
| 14:50.24 | meandrain | should be enough |
| 14:50.30 | enouf | plenty |
| 14:50.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: well... the network works but it will not detect the PCMCIA card correctly I guess I need a driver? |
| 14:50.45 | enouf | slow for any X or Bloated DE, but plenty |
| 14:51.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I need a GUI though so I can access the internet |
| 14:51.10 | enouf | ... |
| 14:51.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | and if I get a newer laptop I'd just go windows I guess... easier for me to configure |
| 14:51.30 | enouf | install pcmciautils |
| 14:51.43 | MSone | dpkg: command not found <-- debian 4.0 |
| 14:51.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I have to get the base system installed first |
| 14:51.43 | dpkg | MSone: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:51.49 | xand | use a minimal DE like fluxbox or something |
| 14:51.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: and that's not working |
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| 14:52.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: could you assist me with that? |
| 14:52.03 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: then i misunderstand |
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| 14:52.09 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: which bit? |
| 14:52.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: network installation + minimal KDE or fluxbox |
| 14:52.24 | guzu | enouf, thnx a lot, there's no networking in rcconf ... |
| 14:52.45 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: did you read the page I linked to? |
| 14:52.51 | enouf | guzu: i know, the URLs tell you how things work though + rcconf is a nice tool |
| 14:52.57 | xand | and the instructions linked from that page |
| 14:52.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: did not see a link |
| 14:53.17 | xand | well look up |
| 14:53.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: I see it now but that's not helping as those are linux steps I am running windows and trying to netboot the network |
| 14:53.48 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: if you can boot the debian installation CD, and start installing, might want to try 'expert' mode (F1-F10 will tell you more, as will the installation guide) |
| 14:54.00 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: you're running windows? eh? |
| 14:54.00 | guzu | enouf, ok, can you tell me how to change the default gui from gnome to fluxbox? |
| 14:54.08 | Arch3Angel | what repo is needed for lenny |
| 14:54.16 | Arch3Angel | or can i use the repo for etch |
| 14:54.16 | unixSnob | any 7zip users manage to create a self-extracting archive? i get: "can't find specified sfx module" when I try it |
| 14:54.19 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: then also - from alt-f2 console; you can modprobe whatever you need for your pcmcia |
| 14:54.22 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: to install from network you need a tftp and bootp/dhcp server, probably running on *nix |
| 14:54.33 | enouf | guzu: are both installed? |
| 14:55.05 | guzu | enouf, have no idea :) it's a default network install |
| 14:55.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: I have one running on windows I can get the silly thing to boot I just can't install as it asks for the CD-ROM and I can't do that |
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| 14:55.26 | enouf | guzu: apt-get update ; apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 14:55.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | also it asks for a driver for the PCMCIA card that I don't have |
| 14:55.31 | enouf | guzu: install which you want |
| 14:55.34 | FAILDog | Is there a way to get custom zoom in Xpdf? There's no zoom option between 200-400, 200 being too small & 400 too large for me |
| 14:55.50 | guzu | enouf, aptitude install fluxbox is enough? |
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| 14:56.24 | enouf | guzu: then to set any one of those as default, you could a) update-alternatives --config x-windows-manager {x-session-manager} and b) gdmconfig perhaps (if using GDM for a DM) |
| 14:56.37 | enouf | guzu: sounds good |
| 14:56.51 | guzu | enouf, i remember i've seen alternatives before :) thnx a lot |
| 14:57.00 | enouf | np |
| 14:57.24 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: oh, is that an ibm ultra-bay thing? |
| 14:57.52 | guzu | enouf, done! happy hackin |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | FAILDog: fit page? fit width? |
| 14:58.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it's a toshiba protege 3110ct |
| 14:58.15 | FAILDog | That'd be too large :( @ abrotman |
| 14:58.27 | guzu | enouf, i'll place dhclient eth0 in rc.local for now until i'll learn a better way |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | FAILDog: use a different viewer like evince or kpdf ? |
| 14:58.50 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: ultra-bay thing? pcmcia cdrom drive connection? |
| 14:59.11 | FAILDog | yeah, probably will have to do that, thanks! |
| 14:59.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it has a PCMCIA card that goes to a CDROM but I can't boot off the CD |
| 14:59.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: gah how do I add in the ethernet driver? |
| 14:59.33 | enouf | ahh |
| 15:00.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I have the linux driver for my PCCARD network card but how do I add it? |
| 15:00.18 | enouf | the kernel will have the module |
| 15:00.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | and how do i comment out the CD-ROM drive so it won't look for that at install time? |
| 15:00.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: what? |
| 15:00.27 | enouf | modprobe |
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| 15:00.40 | enouf | tell it not to - expert mode |
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| 15:00.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I have to get the system installed first! and the installer asks for an ethernet driver |
| 15:00.51 | xand | what network card is it? |
| 15:01.03 | enouf | no it doesn't |
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| 15:01.29 | enouf | it autoscans and self-detects - if it's not available, then you need a newer kernel |
| 15:01.32 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: how exactly have you started the installer? |
| 15:01.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: trendnet TE100-PCBUSR |
| 15:02.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: I started the installer via network boot with tftp server |
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| 15:02.21 | xand | I see |
| 15:02.22 | enouf | why not just use http://goodbye-windows.com ;-) |
| 15:02.31 | xand | and what version of debian is it? |
| 15:03.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: uhm debian-40r5-i386-netinst |
| 15:03.15 | enouf | netboot needs the ISO, burned on CD, not an iso on the HDD, iirc - or try and loop mount it |
| 15:03.27 | xand | er |
| 15:03.42 | enouf | that's not netboot |
| 15:03.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | erg |
| 15:03.58 | enouf | well .. nm |
| 15:03.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | maybe that's my issue? |
| 15:04.07 | xand | what's the point of the netboot installer if it needs a cd? |
| 15:04.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: indeed |
| 15:04.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: so what version do I need then? |
| 15:04.33 | enouf | where are the files going to come from? |
| 15:04.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: the internet a specific server |
| 15:05.04 | enouf | ok, you know - you do |
| 15:05.11 | xand | enouf: a debian mirror? |
| 15:05.21 | boodie | Hi - after various troubles with the kernel, solved, my etch doesn't detect the scanner ... it seems that the inetd.conf file has changed, could iy happen? |
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| 15:05.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | xand: so what do I need to do? |
| 15:05.42 | xand | sorry I don't know |
| 15:05.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | :O |
| 15:05.48 | enouf | read the installation guide folks - i might be a bit mistaken, so .. i'll leave it all up to you guys |
| 15:06.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | gah I read the docs it does NOT help |
| 15:06.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | if it helped I would not be here |
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| 15:07.25 | xand | THE_GFR|WORK: all I can think is to try lenny instead of etch, which may support your network card |
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| 15:07.57 | Spreadsheet | hello |
| 15:07.58 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: follow the guide and grab the needed netboot files from here http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
| 15:08.04 | Spreadsheet | my debian install is being strange |
| 15:08.29 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you have "debian-40r5-i386-netinst" as an ISO? |
| 15:08.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yes |
| 15:08.54 | Spreadsheet | so im trying to connect to the wireless but it asks for the keyring, and i typed everything that could possibly be it, but its not working |
| 15:09.04 | enouf | ok, netboot, and point it at that iso you have |
| 15:09.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: are you sure? |
| 15:09.43 | enouf | pretty sure |
| 15:10.17 | enouf | i thought maybe the installation guide mentioned something special you need, i mean, you might need the CD1 ISO, i forget, but it's mentioned in there |
| 15:10.19 | EmleyMoor | What are my options for a 64-bit java plugin in lenny? |
| 15:10.41 | stew | EmleyMoor: icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 15:11.08 | pobega | Can someone recommend a USB wifi card that works well under Debian, and preferably has N wireless and native drivers? Though that is not nessecary |
| 15:11.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: that fails error "too many packages" |
| 15:11.23 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: also, note the etchnhalf installer uses the newer lenny beta2 installer, which lenny also uses, so there are those things you could try too .. they are newer |
| 15:11.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I can get the f-ing installer to start it just asks for a cd-rom and I don't have one! |
| 15:11.55 | EmleyMoor | Anything else? icedtea displays a lot of not found: in the applet I wish to view |
| 15:11.58 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: er .. we need to see which command you ran and error output - use a pastebin |
| 15:12.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I keep telling you the installer keeps asking for a CD-ROM I don't have a CD drive attached! |
| 15:12.30 | enouf | you are deaf and ignorant, i told you how to boot into expert and tell it not to |
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| 15:12.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I did not see what you said sorry |
| 15:12.54 | enouf | you are not even booting correctly |
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| 15:13.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I am booting over a network |
| 15:13.43 | FAILDog | I am using Etch + KDE, is there a way to make Opera (browser) utilise Gnome's PDF-printer? |
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| 15:14.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | hmm |
| 15:14.21 | FAILDog | KDE's printer delineates characters when I try to print it |
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| 15:15.13 | RaymondX | hi,,,who knows how to use ifup/ifdown? |
| 15:15.14 | tekneut | yo |
| 15:15.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: so the installer is looking for a physical CD-ROM drive I don't have one attached |
| 15:15.27 | Zharf | is there a USB stick image for lenny beta2?.. apparently I can't load network drivers because of kernel version mismatch in the lenny image and the stable usb stick thingie |
| 15:16.10 | abrotman | RaymondX: that's pretty vague |
| 15:16.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I get past the CD-ROM thing when I'm booting off the network? |
| 15:16.46 | tekneut | depends on your bios settings, I guess |
| 15:17.03 | enouf | harkens back to what i mentioned about needing a CD, and not an iso |
| 15:17.05 | tekneut | define 'thing' |
| 15:17.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: do you understand I have to install this off the network via the internet? |
| 15:17.37 | tekneut | net install |
| 15:17.54 | Zharf | I think I found it |
| 15:18.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | tekneut: I have the netinstall ISO and I made it boot over the network but it's asking for the CD-ROM DRIVE |
| 15:18.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can't get past this step |
| 15:18.36 | tekneut | that's pretty gay indeed.. |
| 15:18.42 | tekneut | have you burned the iso to a cdrom |
| 15:18.48 | tekneut | or r u just running it? |
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| 15:18.56 | abrotman | !tell tekneut about gay |
| 15:19.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | tekneut: the computer DOES NOT have a CD-ROM drive in it. it's booting off the network! |
| 15:19.17 | jaggz- | any way to play DRM protected broadcasts in Linux? (Windows Media Player with Automatically retrieve licenses [X] works fine.. under Windows) |
| 15:19.19 | tekneut | hmm then it's a problem indeed |
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| 15:19.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | tekneut: I got ubuntu to install over the internet it took forever and was slower then crap when installed... I wanted to install something that was faster |
| 15:19.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | so a minimal GUI of some sort |
| 15:20.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | I need help with that |
| 15:20.21 | tekneut | I see |
| 15:20.34 | tekneut | when I did a net install, I never had any problems |
| 15:20.36 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: can you from alt-f2, do cd /target ; mkdir isomount ; mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /isomount ? |
| 15:20.50 | tekneut | so no idea what the hack it could be, tbh |
| 15:20.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: no idea |
| 15:21.00 | jaggz- | mms stream? drm? get license? :( |
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| 15:21.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: let me see |
| 15:21.14 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: make use of 'mount' output also |
| 15:21.19 | enouf | for info |
| 15:21.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yea |
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| 15:21.48 | cibershop | alguien en español x ahi? |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | !es |
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| 15:23.48 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: messages are on alt-f4 tty |
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| 15:24.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: no I can't |
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| 15:25.09 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: any errors? output? |
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| 15:25.24 | PiousMinion | Does anyone know how I can get the header information determining the file type of a file? |
| 15:25.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | can't find the file in /etc/fstab |
| 15:25.48 | EmleyMoor | PiousMinion: file |
| 15:25.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | er |
| 15:25.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | wait |
| 15:26.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | I dunno I have to mout the ISO over the network and I'm using a TFTP server to boot |
| 15:26.18 | PiousMinion | EmleyMoor: that displays the file type, but not the header it read to determine it. :( |
| 15:27.24 | enouf | PiousMinion: try xxd -l 512 filename to spit out the 1st 512 bytes if you really need that |
| 15:27.32 | EmleyMoor | Oh, you want to know how, tooZ |
| 15:27.42 | enouf | !tell THE_GFR|WORK -about hd-media |
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| 15:28.23 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: try that - if all this/that fails, go try #debian-boot on oftc.net |
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| 15:28.33 | PiousMinion | enouf: all 0's. lol |
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| 15:28.48 | ericpersson | Is there any good fuse implementation for s3 as a backend? |
| 15:28.52 | enouf | PiousMinion: haha .. which file is this? use strings then |
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| 15:29.16 | PiousMinion | I'm trying to determine the header of an ISO file so I can have 'foremost' search for and recover an ISO file I lost. |
| 15:29.32 | netsrot | anyone knows a stable audio editing program? I tried to get the stable version of audacity but all sourceforge mirrors seems to be dead. |
| 15:29.37 | enouf | PiousMinion: well, use strings filename | less |
| 15:29.51 | enouf | PiousMinion: or xxd filename |
| 15:30.00 | enouf | or xxd filename | less |
| 15:30.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: thanks |
| 15:30.16 | enouf | welcome ;-) |
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| 15:31.11 | enouf | PiousMinion: oh, try isoinfo |
| 15:31.35 | enouf | PiousMinion: isoinfo -d -i filename.iso will spit out some info |
| 15:31.45 | enouf | man isoinfo |
| 15:32.37 | enouf | PiousMinion: replace -i with dev=/dev/cdrom if it's a CD or whatever |
| 15:32.45 | PiousMinion | That gives me info on a specific ISO file. I'm looking for whatever 'file' is reading to determine that it is an ISO file. The ISO I have for testing and the one I lost are very different. |
| 15:33.20 | enouf | oh, like the way file can tell us /dev/hda1 is an ext |
| 15:33.23 | enouf | oh, like the way file can tell us /dev/hda1 is an ext3 fs? |
| 15:33.39 | PiousMinion | 'foremost' reads headers such as "\xff\xd8\xff\xe1 \xff\xd9". |
| 15:33.50 | PiousMinion | that example was for a jpg. |
| 15:33.52 | enouf | i think only swap is easily done, since you can strings/grep for SWAPSPACE2 |
| 15:34.01 | enouf | but the others are all in hex, iinm |
| 15:34.23 | enouf | well, scan the sucker and find the pattern of a known file :-P |
| 15:34.43 | enouf | if you can read strace output, that would help |
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| 15:34.53 | enouf | strace the file command |
| 15:35.03 | enouf | i tried it once, i couldn't decipher it though |
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| 15:35.37 | PiousMinion | Yeah, a bit of the problem might be that there is no noticeable pattern. heh |
| 15:36.27 | EmleyMoor | Is bomberclone a bit like Eric & the Floaters? |
| 15:36.36 | unixSnob | If a bug is reported in ubuntu, should it get a mirrored bug report for debian, if the problem also exists in debian? |
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| 15:36.58 | unixSnob | this bug also exists in debian => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/p7zip/+bug/110377 |
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| 15:39.16 | Zambezi | I really need help to access my encrypted LVM-partion. Grub error 5 during boot. When I connect it with 3,5" case, it pops up, I write the password, but it doesn't mount. And mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/luks-jadajada /mnt/sdx5 won't work. |
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| 15:39.23 | smacnay | Seems that my on-board sound card is now borked. It stopped working and, while the system boots up finding it, it cannot be accessed. |
| 15:39.29 | enouf | PiousMinion: no, i just get lost in all the \0\0\0\0\00\0\00\0\0\00\0\0 stuff |
| 15:39.51 | smacnay | This system is 6+ years old and I might just replace it with a newer desktop. |
| 15:39.52 | PiousMinion | enouf: me too. thanks for the tips though. :) |
| 15:39.58 | enouf | i mean, the info is there, i just can't decipher it ;-P |
| 15:40.05 | enouf | np |
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| 15:40.44 | smacnay | I guess I might just find a newer system but keep the hd,etc and drop it in to get started... any suggestions in how to upgrade to newer stuff without a lot of pain? |
| 15:41.04 | boodie | hi, has anyone got sane, with a working scanner on? |
| 15:41.14 | enouf | PiousMinion: hang about, i'm going to try somethings |
| 15:41.19 | Zambezi | boodie: My scanner works fine with sane. |
| 15:41.30 | PiousMinion | enouf: I'll be here. :) |
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| 15:41.52 | smacnay | boodie: yes |
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| 15:42.20 | boodie | zambesi: perfect: could you tell me what have you got into the file /etc/inetd.conf, activasting sane? |
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| 15:42.24 | XLV | smacnay, http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+hdd+upgrade lots of guides |
| 15:42.43 | smacnay | XLV: thanks |
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| 15:43.03 | XLV | smacnay, basically you install new hdd along with old, copy the whole installation to new hdd, alter fstab/boot manager config |
| 15:43.11 | boodie | I can't understand, but a perfectly working sane / scanner couple works no longer |
| 15:43.30 | Zambezi | boodie: I think you have to add the scanner in your group. I'm kind of stressed now cause my harddrive with 5000 emails won't mount. |
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| 15:44.36 | zizzfizzix | how are automattically mounted volumes such as cdroms? |
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| 15:45.10 | XLV | zizzfizzix, lots of ways eg automount |
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| 15:46.06 | enouf | PiousMinion: xxd -s 32768 /mnt/p3/home/distro/grml.org/grml-small_sid_20071019.iso | less |
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| 15:46.19 | zizzfizzix | XLV: i want to mount my phone automattically but i must use: mtpfs -o allow_other /media/phone |
| 15:46.26 | zizzfizzix | XLV: how can i do this? |
| 15:46.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I was using the wrong boot image to get it working... I got the correct one and it's working now to install |
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| 15:47.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I had to get the files from here |
| 15:47.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 15:47.27 | enouf | PiousMinion: i straced the isoinfo command - note all the _llseek lines |
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| 15:47.41 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you da man! ;-) |
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| 15:48.02 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: see? i thought yuo were booting incorrectly |
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| 15:49.04 | enouf | PiousMinion: afaik, CD001 designates it as ISO or eltorito or whatever (i;ve seen that on all ISOs and CDs that i've looked at in hex) |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | el dorito! |
| 15:49.51 | enouf | (which reminds me of DOS and autoexec.bat mcdex \cd001 shit, lmao) |
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| 15:50.14 | d-b | el eo dorito |
| 15:50.26 | d-b | el oh eato * dorito |
| 15:50.33 | dudeman | mscdex |
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| 15:52.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: but you never linked me to the correct stuff hehe |
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| 15:52.43 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i'm almost certain that URL to joeyh would've worked, they are newer/dailies |
| 15:52.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | hmm you may be correct but I don't know |
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| 15:54.36 | Jemt | Hello :) A friend of mine came by with an External USB Hard Drive that Windows won't recognize and initialize anymore. He asked if I could recover his data. When I plug it in, it seems to work, but I can't mount it. I'd bet I'm able to re-partition it, but that won't save his data. Can someone help me in this process ? |
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| 15:55.23 | abrotman | Jemt: which device is it? |
| 15:55.32 | abrotman | Jemt: /dev/sdb ? /dev/sda ? |
| 15:55.41 | Jemt | abrotman: /dev/sda |
| 15:55.55 | abrotman | Jemt: fdisk -l /dev/sda .. paste it |
| 15:55.56 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:55.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:56.05 | Jemt | abrotman: Okay, thanks |
| 15:56.38 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: they would not have - 1st off, i pointed you at /hd-media, not /netboot, and 2) the ones you have are specifically for Etch, not Lenny (though, 4.0r5 is etchnhalf+) so not sure about this part |
| 15:57.02 | Jemt | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1236996 :) |
| 15:57.19 | zizzfizzix | how can i automount my phone using: mtpfs -o allow_other /media/phone ? |
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| 15:57.23 | zizzfizzix | i must do this |
| 15:57.26 | abrotman | Jemt: and you can't mount it ? |
| 15:57.33 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: man fstab |
| 15:57.53 | Jemt | abrotman: Well, Gnome won't mount it. Let me just try mounting it using the shell. It might throw a better error message |
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| 15:58.58 | zizzfizzix | abrotman: but i want to do this automatically every time when in plug it in and out(umount) |
| 15:59.08 | Jemt | abrotman: "Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so" |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | how did you try to mount it ? |
| 15:59.29 | xand | and try dmesg | tail ;) |
| 15:59.29 | abrotman | !tell zizzfizzix about automount |
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| 16:00.03 | Jemt | abrotman: mount /dev/sda1 /media/hdd |
| 16:00.04 | abrotman | Jemt: how did you try to mount it .. and what's the output of `uname -a` ? |
| 16:00.15 | Jemt | dmesg seems to have some errors - pastebin'ing |
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| 16:00.34 | Jemt | abrotman: uname -a: Linux TP-X31 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | did you try mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/hdd/ ? |
| 16:00.50 | Jemt | abrotman: It seems to be an NTFS drive, yes. I'll give it a try |
| 16:01.17 | sajes | Does anyone know if http.us.debian.org is having trouble? It gives off an error that Packages.bz2 has a hash checksum mismatch. |
| 16:01.27 | Jemt | abrotman: The mount command you provided throws the same error as before |
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| 16:02.03 | abrotman | sajes: try another mirror |
| 16:02.07 | enouf | zizzfizzix: you want a udev rule - /msg dpkg udev rules find the RUN+= stuff |
| 16:02.24 | Jemt | The dmesg can be found here : http://pastebin.ca/1236998 |
| 16:02.39 | xand | looks borked, Jemt |
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| 16:03.01 | xand | maybe "run ntfsfix or chkdsk"... are they windows programs? |
| 16:03.27 | Jemt | xand: Don't know. Let me see if I have any of them installed |
| 16:03.55 | Jemt | Nope, none of them |
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| 16:04.00 | Hash9 | Jemt: you may wish to take a copy of the disk before poking at it |
| 16:04.12 | enouf | xand: and Jemt i'm pretty sure you need to boot into windows for those to run - the ntfsfix and such only mark the volume as dirty |
| 16:04.16 | Jemt | Hash9: Thanks for the advise :) |
| 16:04.17 | xand | oh, ntfs-tools has ntfsfix in |
| 16:04.31 | xand | but yes, imaging the disk is wise |
| 16:04.34 | Jemt | Good, because I don't use Windows at all :) |
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| 16:05.10 | enouf | if you have the Windows CD, you could do it from a Recovery Console boot |
| 16:05.11 | xand | enouf: ntfsfix claims to "fix common filesystem errors" |
| 16:05.31 | Jemt | I don't have a Windows CD :) |
| 16:05.33 | zizzfizzix | enouf: what the hell? |
| 16:05.44 | enouf | xand: that would be cool then, i guess - do you know how new that is? |
| 16:05.48 | enouf | if new |
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| 16:06.21 | Jemt | Hm, ntfsfix instructs me to run chkdsk |
| 16:06.35 | xand | enouf: no, but it's in etch, so probably not very :p |
| 16:06.44 | Jemt | I wonder if that's available under Linux |
| 16:06.56 | enouf | xand: heh |
| 16:07.05 | enouf | Jemt: hah! |
| 16:07.40 | pobega | Jemt: Perhaps fsck? |
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| 16:07.58 | Jemt | fsck /dev/sda1 didn't work |
| 16:08.03 | enouf | Jemt: i'm not sure if ultimatebootcd.com or ubcd.com has a chkdsk you can use - ask ##windows |
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| 16:08.14 | Jemt | fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found |
| 16:08.14 | Jemt | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sda1 |
| 16:08.23 | Jemt | Good idea, thanks enouf |
| 16:09.04 | enouf | also use chkdsk /r (or /f) , the /r implies the /f IIRC |
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| 16:09.17 | enouf | repair + fix respectively |
| 16:09.19 | Jemt | Okay :) |
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| 16:11.46 | Jemt | BRB |
| 16:12.07 | Jemt | Thanks, abrotman, enouf , pobega, xand and Hash9 for all the advise :) |
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| 16:12.17 | abrotman | did he fix it? |
| 16:12.47 | enouf | abrotman: i've seen chkdsk go for 4 hours and more |
| 16:12.51 | enouf | on a small drive |
| 16:13.19 | enouf | passes abrotman the scuba gear so he doesn't have to hold his breath :-P |
| 16:13.44 | abrotman | enouf: that's because IIRC it tries about 20 times to see if the data is good, and if it succeeds once, ti's good :) |
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| 16:14.13 | enouf | abrotman: haha - .. but i recall there are 4-5 phases . .when doing it with /r |
| 16:14.51 | enouf | and small - i mean 40G or so |
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| 16:15.03 | enouf | 1/2 full |
| 16:15.05 | sajes | abrotman: mirrors.kernel.org works, thanks for the advice. |
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| 16:15.37 | abrotman | sajes: you may want to choose one geographically near you |
| 16:16.33 | abrotman | there's one at msu.edu |
| 16:16.34 | sajes | abrotman: I used netselect-apt, so that should've chosen a decent mirror for me. |
| 16:17.02 | abrotman | sajes: well .. the msu.edu is part of the kernel.org mirrors .. so you may have gotten that one, but whatever you want to do |
| 16:17.05 | enouf | zizzfizzix: if one of the many automount choices doesn't quite do it for you |
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| 16:18.49 | RaymondX | automount? is that what you guys do to your wives when you get in bed? |
| 16:19.57 | dudeman | enouf, you have a new task |
| 16:21.18 | dudeman | I have laptop = LAMP. I have desktop == my php IDEs. How would it be possible to setup in some way that I can do unit testing, debugging etc. from my desktop, but the LAMP from laptop is used |
| 16:21.32 | dudeman | without having to run a local LAMP on desktop |
| 16:21.39 | dudeman | I can't figure out what/how to go about this |
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| 16:22.23 | enouf | dudeman: fuse+sshfs? no idea offhand really |
| 16:22.53 | dudeman | eh, its not a problem of mounting |
| 16:23.10 | dudeman | I've mounted laptop~/public_html on desktop as ~/workspace |
| 16:23.36 | dudeman | but I'm not sure how to setup the IDE.. I mean im not used to developing in interpreted web languges |
| 16:23.55 | dudeman | no idea how to use the php interpreter/server services from laptop on the deskop while developing php apps |
| 16:24.37 | abrotman | php5-cgi ? |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. nevermind |
| 16:24.46 | dudeman | hm |
| 16:24.51 | dudeman | yeh no |
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| 16:25.11 | dudeman | I'm not even sure what freakin IDE to use |
| 16:26.16 | dudeman | currently using emacs, but I'm looking for an IDE that has this functionality, for html/css/php/mysql/javascript documentation/functions builtin, pref. categorized, a php debugger option, class browsing, object model, preferbly UML import/export |
| 16:26.20 | RaymondX | dudeman you can use eclipse..it's free |
| 16:26.21 | Elevator_Hazard | How would I change or manage my server's fan speeds in debian? Is there a simple package for thaT? |
| 16:26.28 | dudeman | RaymondX, its a bit heavy isn't it |
| 16:26.37 | dudeman | RaymondX, do you have experience with it? |
| 16:26.49 | RaymondX | yep |
| 16:26.52 | dudeman | RaymondX, I ask becuase I downloaded eclipse-platform and it won't run |
| 16:27.05 | dudeman | I am only trying to setup a very MINIMAL eclipse that is needed by PDT |
| 16:27.09 | RaymondX | what's your specs? |
| 16:27.12 | dudeman | nothing more than that |
| 16:27.20 | dudeman | RaymondX, 866mhz, 128mb ram |
| 16:27.24 | dudeman | p3 |
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| 16:27.59 | oklinux | what is the best laser printer for debian |
| 16:28.00 | dudeman | and I'd like other functionality in it that is very importnat to me |
| 16:28.07 | oklinux | hey dudeman |
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| 16:28.14 | dudeman | functional refernece is a must for the above lianguages (like Quanta features) |
| 16:28.17 | RaymondX | then its emacs for you |
| 16:28.22 | dudeman | :( |
| 16:28.29 | dudeman | oklinux, hi |
| 16:28.44 | dudeman | RaymondX, I can get another system |
| 16:28.52 | dudeman | RaymondX, can eclipse do what I need? |
| 16:28.56 | MariachiAC | Does anyone know how power management works on Lenny. My fan goes off when I am running pidgin and open evolution or sometimes do updates with aptitude. |
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| 16:29.04 | PiousMinion | enouf: awesome. Now I just have to figure out how to tell 'foremost' to look for that. |
| 16:29.12 | boodie | Hi: strange thing happens. I installed etchnhalf and my scanner is not detected, with the previous kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64 it works ... what could have happened? |
| 16:30.24 | cahoot | boodie: nothing in dmesg when you connect he scanner? |
| 16:30.26 | enouf | PiousMinion: bingo ;-) |
| 16:30.56 | enouf | PiousMinion: it's always at that location too .. IINM, give or take a sector :-P |
| 16:31.04 | boodie | well, in fact it is a parport scanner, so it's always connected; |
| 16:31.20 | PiousMinion | hehe, thanks |
| 16:31.33 | enouf | PiousMinion: but if uit;s this easy - strings can show you the CD001 as well |
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| 16:32.29 | enouf | PiousMinion: i see CD001 a few times |
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| 16:33.02 | enouf | 0008000: 0143 4430 3031 0100 4c49 4e55 5820 2020 .CD001..LINUX |
| 16:33.03 | enouf | 0008800: 0043 4430 3031 0145 4c20 544f 5249 544f .CD001.EL TORITO |
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| 16:33.45 | enouf | 0x8000 (32768 decimal) is the main one ;-) |
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| 16:36.11 | enouf | you want it broken in bytes? use xxd -g1 |
| 16:36.13 | enouf | 0008000: 01 43 44 30 30 31 01 00 4c 49 4e 55 58 20 20 20 .CD001..LINUX |
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| 16:37.18 | nocte | hi |
| 16:37.34 | nocte | xorg.conf is read only if I have a desktop manager like xdm ? |
| 16:37.39 | Elevator_Hazard | !dpkg lenny status |
| 16:37.39 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 16:37.58 | enouf | nocte: no |
| 16:38.09 | enouf | nocte: you can use startx |
| 16:38.16 | nocte | I have fluxbox without xdm (i'm doing startx in .bash_profile). |
| 16:38.18 | nocte | oh ok |
| 16:38.26 | nocte | startx will check xorg.conf ? |
| 16:38.31 | enouf | yep |
| 16:38.45 | nocte | wlel i configured my screen with resolution 1024*768, but still display in 800*600 |
| 16:38.54 | enouf | but - you might want to use a ~/.xinitrc or better an ~/.xsession |
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| 16:39.06 | GuySoft | hey, does anyone here know how i can send the master output in alsa to two sound cards? |
| 16:39.06 | nocte | i am using .xinitrc yeah |
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| 16:39.19 | enouf | nocte: try .xsession |
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| 16:39.46 | nocte | should I crete it ? |
| 16:39.50 | enouf | yep |
| 16:39.55 | enouf | !xsession |
| 16:39.55 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 16:40.31 | enouf | although - i guess your xinitrc is just off/wrong or something |
| 16:40.36 | cahoot | GuySoft: sounds like you want to take a look at jackd - or possibly take your chances wiht .asoundrc |
| 16:40.36 | nocte | enouf : i just have to put exec fluxbox and startx inside ? |
| 16:40.47 | nocte | and configure the screen resolution also ? that's all ? |
| 16:41.03 | GuySoft | cahoot, did you do anything remotely like that? |
| 16:41.18 | enouf | nocte: it would seem so to me - are you sure xorg.conf is setup correctly? |
| 16:41.29 | nocte | well |
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| 16:41.36 | cahoot | GuySoft: no but people in #lad might have experience |
| 16:41.42 | enouf | GuySoft: man asound.conf |
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| 16:41.59 | enouf | cahoot: linux audio dev ? |
| 16:42.02 | enouf | alsa? |
| 16:42.11 | nocte | Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva] AGP" Monitor "Écran générique" DefaultDepth 24 DefaultMode 1024*768 |
| 16:42.16 | nocte | i added myself |
| 16:42.17 | nocte | DefaultMode |
| 16:42.20 | cahoot | audio IIRC |
| 16:42.22 | nocte | don't know if it's correct |
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| 16:43.07 | GuySoft | cahoot, thanks, i asked there. |
| 16:43.18 | GuySoft | enouf, i played with it before, and its a nightmare.. |
| 16:43.26 | enouf | cahoot: i just hadn't known of it - thanks |
| 16:43.29 | arkhat | hello, how can I apply a diff to a package? |
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| 16:43.58 | enouf | GuySoft: oh well - http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc ? |
| 16:43.59 | cahoot | GuySoft: I'm curious - what's your objective? |
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| 16:44.36 | enouf | nocte: i think you need more than that ;-) |
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| 16:45.50 | enouf | nocte: where's your Vert and Hor refresh rates? also check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log for (EE) (errors) and WW even (Warnings) |
| 16:46.12 | cahoot | GuySoft: AIUI you'll get successively growin asynchrony |
| 16:46.33 | enouf | nocte: google has tons of xorg.conf samples, or grab an old one you have and modify |
| 16:46.40 | enouf | wiki.x.org even |
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| 16:51.23 | boodie | Ok, my latest problem, ... it's strange, with a later kernel (etchnhalf) a parport scanner is undetected, unlike under a previous (2.6.18-5_AMD64) where it works no problem? Could it have to do with modules? |
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| 16:51.46 | oklinux | any one know anything about printer ? |
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| 16:52.23 | micols | oklinux: anyone know anything about the universe? |
| 16:53.01 | micols | oklinux: try sudo apt-get install cupsys-client or what its name is nowadays |
| 16:53.13 | micols | oh, debian, then just kill that sudo |
| 16:53.16 | Dewi | micols: I know everything about the universe except for the part about getting printers working in linux :( |
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| 16:53.30 | micols | its not that hard especially not with cupsys |
| 16:53.39 | micols | then it works out of the box almost :) |
| 16:53.54 | micols | but lpr and lpd can be pain in the ass |
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| 16:55.56 | arooni | im looking for a mail server that allows me to easily create/edit/update accounts from a web ui, and runs on ubuntu hardy server. server should also be REALLY easy to set up. suggestions? |
| 16:56.43 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:00.04 | micols | squirrel mail perhaps, thats user web gui |
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| 17:03.39 | abrotman | sees rgr here ... |
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| 17:04.56 | rgr | ? |
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| 17:09.13 | Zambezi | How can I mount an encrypted LVM (LUKSm, made during netinst)? It seems it's decrypted, but I just need to mount it and mount -t ext3 is work fs. |
| 17:10.20 | thedonvaughn | Zambezi: after it's decrypted, it should be in /dev/mapper/blah |
| 17:10.52 | Zambezi | thedonvaughn: I can show you in pastebin. |
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| 17:12.35 | Elite|Jeti | Hey guys I am trying to install debian etch to a virtual machine and it keeps locking up |
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| 17:13.31 | Elite|Jeti | its saying this time PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 |
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| 17:14.36 | Zambezi | thedonvaughn: http://www.pastebin.ca/1237041 |
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| 17:18.05 | fristopher | anyone know where i can get a tarball of fortunes-off |
| 17:18.55 | abrotman | it's already in debian |
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| 17:19.28 | fristopher | abchirk ya im looking to use the cookie files on freebsd, i dont run debian |
| 17:19.34 | fristopher | abrotman rather |
| 17:19.49 | abrotman | fristopher: packages.debian.org |
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| 17:20.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok I have debian setup and I need vnc to run |
| 17:20.08 | fristopher | ya found it there but only have the .deb file |
| 17:20.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | I installed tightvncserver and it's running I can't access the system from windows with the viewer program though |
| 17:20.45 | meoblast001 | who writes the english documentation? |
| 17:20.51 | meoblast001 | because they obviously dont speak english |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | fristopher: http://packages.debian.org/etch/fortunes-off .. on the right side |
| 17:21.07 | javanero | engrish? |
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| 17:21.46 | javanero | time to apply the upgraded kernel |
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| 17:22.11 | meoblast001 | how do you set NNvalues to gconf xml's in /var/lib/gconf |
| 17:22.20 | meoblast001 | i want to make it high enough that EVERY user will have these settings |
| 17:22.43 | abrotman | fristopher: or check the copyright file for a URL |
| 17:22.44 | meoblast001 | i thought replacing the one cureently in there would do it but it instead just made the gnome-panels go away for new users |
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| 17:23.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | so how do I get vnc to work? |
| 17:23.34 | Snadder | Anyone know how to add a new irc channel in pidgin? |
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| 17:24.41 | meoblast001 | i read the documentation for gconf and it makes no sense |
| 17:25.47 | fristopher | ahh k got it |
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| 17:25.52 | fristopher | thx |
| 17:26.31 | micols | what is the max size of a volume in lvm2 |
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| 17:27.59 | meoblast001 | ok im an american who either cant read english or im not reading proper english because i cant understand this sentence |
| 17:28.01 | meoblast001 | " Chris...damnit! i lost the game! sent you a Voice Clip which requires the latest version of Windows Live Messenger. To download the latest version of Windows Live Messenger, go to http://g.msn.com/5meen_us/122." |
| 17:28.05 | meoblast001 | what is that |
| 17:28.08 | meoblast001 | i didnt copy that |
| 17:28.16 | meoblast001 | my goodness my clipboard =P |
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| 17:28.42 | segosu | what |
| 17:29.20 | meoblast001 | "Packages can ship files of the form NNpackage, larger NN values meaning larger priorities, in /usr/share/gconf/defaults/, before launching update-gconf-defautls." |
| 17:29.22 | meoblast001 | thats better |
| 17:29.29 | meoblast001 | how does that make sense |
| 17:29.54 | Elite|Jeti | its saying this time PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 |
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| 17:30.26 | hiptobecubic | i'm having an issue with notify. wicd daemon runs scripts as root, but one of the scripts makes a notification popup which only appears when i run the script as myself. can i force it to display on my desktop? i tried putting DISPLAY=:0.0 at the top of the script. |
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| 17:30.45 | steven43126 | hi |
| 17:31.06 | steven43126 | im pretty sure there is an option for this but i cant find it |
| 17:31.26 | segosu | meoblast001: what doesn't make sense about it |
| 17:31.32 | steven43126 | how do i get debian to forward broadcast packets ? |
| 17:31.48 | meoblast001 | thats supposed to be talking about /usr/share/gconf/defaults.debian |
| 17:31.53 | meoblast001 | not defaults/ |
| 17:32.00 | micols | anybody who has been running lvm2+mdadm, is it stable if one disk dies in a raid5 i.e. ? |
| 17:32.01 | segosu | oh |
| 17:32.02 | segosu | dunno then |
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| 17:32.18 | meoblast001 | and it tells you to edit some nn vales but doesnt tell you where they are and then tells you to launch some update-gconf-defaults but doesn tell you when your supposed to run it |
| 17:32.19 | micols | anybody who has been running lvm2+mdadm, is it stable if one disk dies in a raid5 i.e. ? or if you add a disk to your raid5 to grow the partition |
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| 17:32.36 | meoblast001 | it says "before" but the sentence is already so scrambled with commas that you dont know what goes before what |
| 17:33.23 | steven43126 | micols: stable how ? |
| 17:33.44 | micols | steven43126: stable as in stable |
| 17:34.16 | steven43126 | the code is stable yes i haven't a problem related to a bug in the code |
| 17:34.24 | micols | i heard that it might have problems if one disk fails |
| 17:34.24 | micols | reconstructing data |
| 17:34.25 | meoblast001 | segosu: if it makes sense to you, where are those NN values |
| 17:34.30 | Elite|Jeti | Hey guys I am trying to install debian etch to a virtual machine and it keeps locking up |
| 17:34.34 | Elite|Jeti | its saying this time PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 |
| 17:34.35 | segosu | nah, it doesn't make sense |
| 17:34.39 | steven43126 | micols: rsconstructing data is the slowest with raid5 |
| 17:34.55 | micols | i know, but lvm2 should have problems with it |
| 17:34.59 | micols | if you lose a disk |
| 17:35.02 | meoblast001 | segosu, ppl tell me to read the documentation but the documentation makes no sense |
| 17:35.02 | steven43126 | raid5 will soon be reduntant :) |
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| 17:35.10 | micols | steven43126: in favor of ? |
| 17:35.13 | segosu | meoblast001: tell them to write the documentation |
| 17:35.20 | micols | steven43126: raid10? or 50? |
| 17:35.24 | steven43126 | search slashdot for a recent articlee on raid5 |
| 17:35.29 | meoblast001 | segosu, as you can see im already so stressed that i forgot that copying something in a VM does not copy it in the Non-VM |
| 17:35.39 | steven43126 | micols: raid 10 is the safest option |
| 17:35.41 | micols | steven43126: why should it be redundant? |
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| 17:35.53 | segosu | if you're using vmware, it has the option to share clipboards |
| 17:36.02 | steven43126 | rai5 can only loose one disk |
| 17:36.02 | meoblast001 | VirtualBox |
| 17:36.05 | segosu | oh |
| 17:36.30 | steven43126 | and is slow to rebuild on large volumes the rebuild can fail |
| 17:36.54 | steven43126 | raid 6 is better eseentialy raid5 but with 3 drives for parity instead of one |
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| 17:37.22 | steven43126 | micols: it really depends on what your requirements are |
| 17:37.38 | segosu | do raid 1+0 if you're really paranoid |
| 17:37.47 | micols | i dont feel like using only 50% storage as with raid1 and 10 |
| 17:38.00 | steven43126 | micols: i would go raid 6 |
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| 17:38.04 | micols | i already got a raid10 and 1, but i want raid5 for my 1tb disks |
| 17:38.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | could anyone help me get tightVNC up and running? |
| 17:38.59 | steven43126 | micols: take a look at the articale on raid on slashdot it's quite interessting :) |
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| 17:39.17 | steven43126 | personally ii would use raid6 over raid5 |
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| 17:40.13 | steven43126 | anyone know how to get linux to forward broadcast packets ?? the option eludes me ? |
| 17:40.57 | XLV | raid6 uses the equivalent capacity of 2 hdds for parity.. it makes sense on arrays with lots of drives, in arrays with less drives, its better to just add one as spare ( cause the extra parity slows down the array ) |
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| 17:43.52 | Elite|Jeti | Hey guys I am trying to install debian etch to a virtual machine and it keeps locking up |
| 17:43.55 | Elite|Jeti | its saying this time PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 |
| 17:44.44 | peterius | I'm getting this "address family not supported by protocol" error on trying to "connect", I feel like I've written at least 20 different pieces of working network code, even though maybe its been a while... but in this case I'm doing something different, trying to connect to the local machines ipaddress, is this illegal and if so why doesn't it give me a proper error? |
| 17:45.14 | alex^ | peterius: ipv4 v6? |
| 17:45.18 | peterius | 4 |
| 17:45.24 | peterius | AF_INET and PF_INET |
| 17:45.36 | peterius | for the sock_addr_in and the socket |
| 17:45.44 | micols | steven43126: i am talking softraid are you still in favor of raid6 then? |
| 17:45.57 | micols | i am selling all my hardware raid controllers to build software raids with mdadm |
| 17:46.04 | vorpal | peterius: try the folks on ##C |
| 17:46.13 | micols | selling 2x2400A adaptec (w. 2x128MB ecc), 1x3210S + 2x compaq arrays |
| 17:46.27 | peterius | nevermind, I'm a moron and I set the port to the family |
| 17:46.34 | peterius | ugh, this shit never gets easier |
| 17:46.59 | steven43126 | micols: yup but XLV also has a point :) |
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| 17:47.31 | meoblast001 | if i add another file to /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/ what should i name it so it will be used and have a high priority? |
| 17:47.55 | micols | steven43126: xlv? |
| 17:48.13 | et | "this_is_serious_business" |
| 17:48.40 | steven43126 | micols: he posted a comment eariler |
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| 17:49.06 | steven43126 | apologieses for spelling small keypoard! asus eee pc :) |
| 17:49.23 | micols | yes i am only going to have like 4x1tb perhaps 5 at max |
| 17:49.29 | micols | so raid5 is best, or raid10 |
| 17:49.46 | steven43126 | micols: it depends raid10 is best |
| 17:49.48 | Zharf | hum |
| 17:49.50 | micols | but i think i am going with raid5, it surely will rebuild faster than my hwraid controller |
| 17:49.54 | Zharf | which package has badblocks? |
| 17:50.01 | steven43126 | raid 10 is always best but it'ss the most expensive as well :) |
| 17:50.07 | Wyzard | micols: I recently converted a 3x750 RAID-5 to a 4x750 RAID-10 for performance reasons |
| 17:50.37 | steven43126 | micols: nope hw will prolly be faster at the rebuild |
| 17:50.38 | Wyzard | micols: RAID-5 is slow at writing because every write requires an additional read and then write on another drive |
| 17:50.44 | Elite|Jeti | can no one help me to install linux? |
| 17:51.00 | steven43126 | micols: the hw has special chips made for crunching the checksums used |
| 17:52.04 | Wyzard | Linux has optimized assembly checksum implementations for common processors |
| 17:52.04 | Wyzard | and the CPU is a lot faster than the onboard processor on a RAID controller |
| 17:52.04 | Wyzard | so that might not actually make a big difference, unless you're doing a lot of disk I/O while your CPU is bogged down with other tasks |
| 17:52.04 | micols | steven43126: wont a 3ghz at its max be faster than a xxxmhz hw cpu? |
| 17:52.10 | micols | steven43126: its an old adaptec 2400a.. not very fast indeed |
| 17:52.17 | steven43126 | micols: be as fast but i doubt any faster |
| 17:52.20 | micols | it takes 16-24hrs for 4 disks to rebuild |
| 17:52.30 | micols | i believe sw can do that faster. |
| 17:52.42 | steven43126 | micols: possbiyl try it andd see |
| 17:52.45 | Wyzard | My 3x750 took 3-4 hours IIRC |
| 17:52.50 | steven43126 | micols: id like to see the results |
| 17:52.59 | micols | nice Wyzard :) |
| 17:53.09 | steven43126 | micols: at home and at work i always use raid 10 |
| 17:53.17 | micols | Wyzard: thats what i expect too, at least 50% rebuild time reduction |
| 17:53.31 | steven43126 | micols: infact i only have one box on raid6 which is a backup server |
| 17:53.31 | micols | i got raid1,5,10 running currently |
| 17:53.42 | Wyzard | I don't remember exactly, but it was less than the time needed for a full SMART surface scan of one of the drives, which is about 8 hours |
| 17:54.22 | steven43126 | micols: all our cards are compaq and im fairly impressed with them had no performance problems thus far |
| 17:54.31 | steven43126 | majority using SAS drives |
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| 17:54.46 | micols | raid 1,5,10 and 4x1gbit trunked thats priceless in your own private server :) |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | are there any filesystems/controllers that work in linux that do data scrubbing during downtime ? |
| 17:55.01 | micols | actually its 5x1gbit, but one of them isnt trunked. |
| 17:55.08 | micols | e1000 is nice. |
| 17:55.27 | steven43126 | micols: LOL |
| 17:55.43 | steven43126 | micols: what do you stream at 4gb lol |
| 17:55.46 | micols | steven43126: of course i got 4xe1000 in my workstation too then :) |
| 17:55.50 | hiptobecubic | porn |
| 17:56.07 | micols | steven43126: just playing around to see what kind of speed i can reach :) |
| 17:56.23 | micols | it actually runs welll with about 90-100Mbit my diskless :) |
| 17:56.32 | steven43126 | micols: lol we have 2 datacenters at work and only make do with a 10mb fibre between them 4GB! |
| 17:57.08 | micols | i got a 24port , 48gbps total switch with a few vlans here at home |
| 17:57.11 | steven43126 | micols: you could run some benchmarks for the community :) |
| 17:57.29 | hiptobecubic | micols. why? |
| 17:57.31 | steven43126 | micols: i keep meaning to try ATAOE and see what the performance is like |
| 17:57.47 | micols | steven43126: i do nfs unfortunately :) |
| 17:57.52 | micols | but i just patched for jumbos |
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| 17:58.34 | steven43126 | micols: nfs nah you want to try ataoe with something like lustre ;) |
| 17:58.35 | micols | i thought about using nbd instead of nfs |
| 17:58.50 | micols | nfs is really slow |
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| 17:59.14 | hiptobecubic | ? |
| 17:59.31 | steven43126 | micols: nfs4 isn't that bad i use it at home for media and it's fine |
| 17:59.34 | micols | but i get around 250MB/s currently over my 4x1gb and nfs and xfs on the serverside on the disks. |
| 17:59.53 | micols | which is nice, its completely silent , and fast :) |
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| 18:00.21 | Elite|Jeti | can no one help me to install linux? |
| 18:00.25 | micols | i will probably max out the sata bus one day. |
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| 18:00.56 | micols | steven43126: its nfs3 :) |
| 18:01.15 | micols | whats about nfs4 doesn't support nolock option |
| 18:01.34 | steven43126 | micols: i think it does |
| 18:01.39 | steven43126 | micols: see the manpage |
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| 18:02.07 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: Looking back at your question, I don't know what would cause that... if nobody else is responding, maybe they don't either |
| 18:02.13 | micols | it doesn't steven43126 |
| 18:02.17 | micols | see the manpage |
| 18:02.28 | steven43126 | anyone broadcast packets routing on linux ?? i really want to get my xbox360 working :( |
| 18:02.30 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: More information would help though, such as what virtualization software you're using and what troubleshooting measures you've tried |
| 18:02.37 | steven43126 | micols: didn't realise that |
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| 18:03.07 | micols | steven43126: explain why you need to route your broadcasts |
| 18:03.57 | steven43126 | micols: i have my xbox downstaris got it yesterday, and have no wifi adapter so it's plugged into my asus eee pc which is set up as a temporary router :) |
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| 18:04.13 | micols | what's the problem? |
| 18:04.26 | BubbaT | Anyone familiar with the magnet p2p protocol? What is there available for debian to handle it? |
| 18:04.30 | Wyzard | Set up the eee for bridging rather than routing |
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| 18:04.49 | steven43126 | micols: i want to get media streaming to work though which uses UPnP and the server is on the other subnet to the xbox Upnp uses broadcasts see i need to get them forwarded to the xbox :) |
| 18:04.50 | micols | hiptobecubic: porn only takes 8-10Mbit even at 1080p or so i think in x264 :) |
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| 18:05.07 | hiptobecubic | micols, sure if you only watch one at a time :D |
| 18:05.07 | steven43126 | Wyzard: wireless driver don't support bridging :( |
| 18:05.48 | Wyzard | steven43126: run a cable to the xbox then |
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| 18:06.13 | steven43126 | Wyzard: my wife complains lol |
| 18:06.28 | steven43126 | Wyzard: and i can't drill im in a rented house lol |
| 18:06.56 | Wyzard | You'll need to get that wifi adapter for it, then |
| 18:07.16 | Elite|Jeti | can no one help me to install linux? |
| 18:07.24 | steven43126 | Wyzard: i knw but thats no fun |
| 18:07.43 | meoblast001 | i cant take this anymore |
| 18:07.48 | steven43126 | Wyzard: id rather solve it with opensource :) |
| 18:07.55 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: With the small amount of information you provided, no, nobody can |
| 18:08.08 | Wyzard | steven43126: well, broadcast routing doesn't really make much sense |
| 18:08.14 | Wyzard | I don't know if it's even possible |
| 18:08.21 | steven43126 | Wyzard: it is possible |
| 18:08.30 | steven43126 | Wyzard: cisco routers can do it |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | steven43126: they sell adapters for that.. you can plug them into a netowrk cable |
| 18:09.00 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: what do you need to know? |
| 18:09.07 | steven43126 | i can run a relay a perl script to listen on one interace and forward them to the other |
| 18:09.10 | abrotman | which vm system would be a decent start |
| 18:09.21 | steven43126 | but im sure there is a linux option somewhere to do this |
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| 18:09.45 | micols | is there any size limitation to NFS exports, 2TB anyone? |
| 18:09.55 | micols | talking nfs3 and below |
| 18:10.05 | micols | perhaps nfs4 supports >2TB exports? |
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| 18:10.17 | steven43126 | mm perl script i think it is then |
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| 18:10.26 | steven43126 | thanks for the input anyways |
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| 18:10.59 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: As I mentioned a few minutes ago, and abrotman did too, you haven't even said what virtualization software you're using |
| 18:11.11 | Zider | micols: wikipedia doesn't mention any such limitation at least |
| 18:11.37 | smacnay | Hi, does anyone have any experience with installing Debian on a Dell "Studio" computer? Are things well supported... are the components (say the radeon vid card) that should not be selected or ordered? |
| 18:11.53 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: Do other OSes (particularly Linux OSes) work, or do they lock up too? |
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| 18:12.08 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: what do you need to know? |
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| 18:12.23 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard:I'll check |
| 18:13.28 | javanero | Studio computer? |
| 18:13.48 | smacnay | I am looking for an inexpensive and quiet machine. |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | javanero: a laptop model from dell |
| 18:13.59 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about laptop |
| 18:14.00 | smacnay | javanero: yes, it is one of their product lines. |
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| 18:14.34 | meandrain | http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/D945GCLF2.html |
| 18:14.52 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks for hte link and info - but I am not sure I am going the way of the laptop just yet. |
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| 18:15.11 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: does a live cd count or do I need to actually install? |
| 18:15.13 | javanero | ah. okay |
| 18:15.44 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: Is your lockup with Debian happening while booting the installer, or after installing and trying to boot the installed system? |
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| 18:16.28 | javanero | Aside from Dell servers I am not too familliar with all the desktop lines |
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| 18:16.38 | abrotman | studio is a laptop series |
| 18:16.39 | Rideh | i've installed samba asn openldap, i'm attempting to get the samba schema but all documentation references /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/ldap directory.. looking at the documentation that came with it. readme.debian it states the same location.. Where did it go? |
| 18:16.56 | smacnay | abrotman: do you run a laptop solely? Or do you have a desktop? |
| 18:17.05 | abrotman | smacnay: at home, my primary is a laptop |
| 18:17.08 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: booting up the installer |
| 18:17.14 | micols | i want to make a mdadm raid5 array which i can grow, is it possible without lvm2? anybody using lvm2 on their servers? |
| 18:17.28 | smacnay | abrotman: I have never owned a laptop but am thinking that in a few years, there will be very few desktops around |
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| 18:17.31 | micols | i heard that it should be unstable |
| 18:17.37 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: It sounds like a kernel thing, so just booting a liveCD should be a sufficient test |
| 18:17.54 | Rideh | apt-get install samba does not install samba-doc :( |
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| 18:18.07 | micols | its xfs btw. |
| 18:18.10 | abrotman | Rideh: so install it yourself |
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| 18:18.29 | Wyzard | micols: mdadm raid5 supports growing both by replacing the disks with bigger ones, and by adding additional disks |
| 18:18.36 | Rideh | abrotman: grab sources from openldap and take that folder or? |
| 18:18.47 | Wyzard | micols: (The latter requires restriping the array, which takes a long time) |
| 18:18.49 | abrotman | apt-get install samba-doc ? |
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| 18:19.10 | Wyzard | micols: That just gives you a bigger block device; whatever it contains (such as a filesystem) has to be resized in a separate step |
| 18:19.15 | micols | Wyzard: great, but a raid5 with i.e. 3x1tb and 1.5tb drive would be a waste wont it? |
| 18:19.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I make things startup auto with x? |
| 18:19.24 | micols | Wyzard: normally they're better off being same size in raid5? |
| 18:19.34 | micols | Wyzard: of course its good for upgrading. |
| 18:19.34 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: it appears to boot fine with a live cd |
| 18:19.37 | Wyzard | micols: raid5 requires the component disks to be the same size |
| 18:19.49 | Rideh | abrotman: wasnt expecting that. lol :P still getting used to debians package manager |
| 18:19.51 | abrotman | Elite|Jeti: which versions of debian have you tried and which VM softare? |
| 18:19.54 | micols | Wyzard: thats weird, it should be possible without them being same size |
| 18:20.01 | Wyzard | micols: but you can partition the 1.5TB drive into 1TB and 500GB and use the 500GB for something else |
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| 18:20.19 | micols | Wyzard: oh yeah, thats nice, forgot.. partition raiding :) |
| 18:20.39 | micols | Wyzard: like forgetting to install grub on both bootsectors :) |
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| 18:20.43 | javanero | hmm ... i hear thunder bbiab |
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| 18:20.52 | Wyzard | micols: I recommend using partitions for software RAID even if you're using the whole disks -- just make a big partition filling the whole disk |
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| 18:21.19 | micols | Wyzard: hm that didnt make sense to me |
| 18:21.27 | sterna | how can i use scp from debian installer? |
| 18:21.34 | micols | Wyzard: isnt mdadm always partition raiding? |
| 18:21.37 | sterna | i need to rescue a filesystem |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | why scp ? |
| 18:21.53 | sterna | i can se udebs on the cd but i can't install openssh client |
| 18:22.00 | sterna | because i want to scp stuff off this box |
| 18:22.04 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: it appears to boot fine with a live cd |
| 18:22.05 | Wyzard | micols: you can use either partitions (e.g. sda1) or whole disks (e.g. sda) as RAID components |
| 18:22.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I make things startup auto with x? |
| 18:22.15 | sterna | my network is up and tar won't accept -c |
| 18:22.22 | sterna | so i can't tar | nc |
| 18:22.27 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: I recommend the former in all cases |
| 18:22.35 | micols | whyzzyrd: why? |
| 18:22.54 | micols | Wyzard: it has the disadvantage that you need to copy boot sectors to both disks manually etc |
| 18:22.57 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: what's the "it" that you're referring to? (What liveCD?) |
| 18:23.14 | micols | Wyzard: so what's its great advantage over whole disk raiding |
| 18:23.36 | abrotman | Elite|Jeti: which versions of debian have you tried and which VM softare? |
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| 18:24.07 | Wyzard | micols: If you have to boot another OS, for some reason (e.g. for troubleshooting) or put the disks in another computer, the OS can see the partitions and at least recognize that the disk has data on it |
| 18:24.20 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: What? |
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| 18:24.21 | Wyzard | micols: as opposed to seeing no valid partition table and thinking it's a new disk that ought to be formatted or something |
| 18:24.32 | Elite|Jeti | Thats the stupidest thing I have ever hears |
| 18:24.38 | Elite|Jeti | heard* |
| 18:24.39 | micols | Wyzard: what kind of OS?:) |
| 18:24.52 | micols | Wyzard: i would only consider booting debian rescue or GRML |
| 18:24.54 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: you said "it works with a liveCD"... I'm asking what liveCD you're saying works |
| 18:25.01 | d-b | .... what raid... |
| 18:25.13 | Elite|Jeti | LIMP linux |
| 18:25.27 | micols | Wyzard: so it doesn't contain raid type partitions anymore then? |
| 18:25.28 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: and you still haven't said what VM software you're using, which both abrotman and I have been asking |
| 18:25.36 | micols | Wyzard: or.. it must do, else it wont get recognized |
| 18:25.42 | Wyzard | micols: not if you use a whole-disk device |
| 18:25.48 | Elite|Jeti | MS virtaul PC 2008 |
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| 18:25.55 | micols | Wyzard: how does mdadm recognize it then? |
| 18:25.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I get things to startup automatically? |
| 18:25.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | with x? |
| 18:26.04 | acidslep | where should i go for information on kernel mechanics? |
| 18:26.10 | acidslep | like modules and stuff |
| 18:26.12 | hollywoodb | THE_GFR|WORK: are you using Xfce, KDE, or Gnome? |
| 18:26.16 | micols | Wyzard: i wasnt even aware it could do whole disk raiding |
| 18:26.23 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: I have zero experience with that product |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman | acidslep: ##kernel ? |
| 18:26.27 | d-b | !linux kernel |
| 18:26.39 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: virtaul PC 2008 |
| 18:26.49 | d-b | dpkg ? |
| 18:26.50 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, d-b |
| 18:26.55 | Elite|Jeti | Wyzard: what do you know? |
| 18:26.56 | abrotman | Elite|Jeti: and which versions of debian have you tried ? |
| 18:27.15 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: but as a generic suggestion, you could try using Debian lenny ("testing") instead of etch, because it has a newer kernel and might not encounter whatever problem you're seeing with etch |
| 18:27.30 | Wyzard | Elite|Jeti: or try a different virtualization product, such as VirtualBox or VMware |
| 18:28.06 | micols | Wyzard: i better not have defect ram in my server this time when doing software raid :) |
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| 18:28.44 | Elite|Jeti | VirtualBox free? |
| 18:28.47 | micols | Wyzard: but i guess its not much worse than normal hw raid, except if you rebuild with defect ram |
| 18:28.47 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 18:29.15 | micols | Wyzard: since its the fs which fails |
| 18:29.35 | meoblast001 | if i add another file to /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/ what should i name it so it will be used and have a high priority? |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | meoblast001: we told you numerous times .. you're asking in the wrong channel |
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| 18:34.01 | mseney | Elite|Jeti, i think you meant MS Virtual PC 2007 as there is no Virtual PC 2008 release yet correct? |
| 18:34.23 | keith_ | if I add a second IP to an interface, as eth0:1 or whatever, does it get the same MAC addr? |
| 18:35.06 | Wyzard | Those aliases (eth0:1 etc.) are actually the deprecated way of putting multiple IPs on an interface |
| 18:35.25 | mseney | Elite|Jeti, I would try VMWare Workstation trial to build the virtual image, then after it expires use the free VMWare Player :) |
| 18:35.27 | Wyzard | Use "ip addr add <address> dev eth0" and you can put multiple IPs directly on eth0 |
| 18:36.00 | Wyzard | but anyway, I'd expect eth0:1 to have the same MAC address, if it has one at all |
| 18:36.35 | Wyzard | mseney: The funny thing about the Workstation trial is that after it expires, you can't use it to run VMs anymore, but you can still use it to create and edit VMs which can then be run in Player :-) |
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| 18:36.49 | xui | yeah or just pirate it |
| 18:37.04 | dutch | just installed lenny...can't get flash to work..where do I find the right info ? |
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| 18:37.12 | abrotman | !tell dutch about flash |
| 18:37.24 | Wyzard | Workstation isn't difficult to pirate, but it's worth buying IMO |
| 18:37.26 | mseney | Wyzard, that's sweet, I didn't know that, thanks |
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| 18:37.47 | jamon | Wyzard: nah, virtualbox is cheaper ;) |
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| 18:38.06 | Wyzard | less mature though |
| 18:38.08 | Wyzard | but getting better |
| 18:38.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | awesome I got it all setup |
| 18:38.22 | jamon | oh well, xen if you want mature :p |
| 18:38.38 | Wyzard | Xen is very different from VirtualBox or VMware |
| 18:38.43 | Elite|Jeti | VirtualBox by the same people that run/make java? |
| 18:38.53 | jamon | indeed it is different, what of it? |
| 18:39.02 | mac123 | i have setup xfce4 desktop on debian but when i try to access it thru vnc i only see a blank grid screen i have edited .vnc/xstartup and added this line startxfce4 but non is working can some one help |
| 18:39.04 | Wyzard | It's more of an alternative to something like VMware Server, not Workstation or VirtualBox |
| 18:39.05 | jamon | Elite|Jeti: sun bought virtualbox yeah |
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| 18:39.43 | Wyzard | hmm, didn't know that |
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| 18:40.23 | doublehp_ | i can pass user:pass directly to lynx with -auth option; is there similar feature for links or elinks ? |
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| 18:48.14 | Facedown | what version of debian should i upgrade to? i have etch now but i want a newer version as some of the versions/apps are old.. i do programming and would like the latest in perl/python/php/mysql/etc without worrying about backports.. or should i just get ubuntu ? |
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| 18:48.40 | simonrvn | lenny |
| 18:48.55 | Wyzard | Facedown: etch is the latest stable release, but lenny is in testing and should be fine even though it isn't officially released yet |
| 18:48.56 | Facedown | how would you compare lenny to etch to ubuntu? |
| 18:49.15 | abrotman | testing to stable to .. ubuntu |
| 18:49.20 | Facedown | and should i just start from scratch? im worried about incompatability issues |
| 18:49.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:49.37 | Facedown | as in, save my files on other pc and then get a fresh disc and reinstall on top of everything |
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| 18:49.51 | Wyzard | Upgrading from etch to lenny should be fine (Debian releases are designed for upgrading like that) |
| 18:49.57 | Elite|Jeti | etchs is more stable than lenny and etch is by far superior to ubuntu:) |
| 18:50.02 | Wyzard | If you decide to go with Ubuntu, you'd need to reinstall for that |
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| 18:50.29 | Facedown | Elite|Jeti - superior in what way though? |
| 18:50.33 | Facedown | stability? thats it? |
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| 18:50.39 | Facedown | ubuntu/lenny would have the newer features though? |
| 18:50.52 | Facedown | Wyzard - oh.. is there a guide for doing this? |
| 18:51.06 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 18:51.06 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 18:51.08 | Elite|Jeti | Superior to the fact that its a better more well developed OS |
| 18:51.17 | simonrvn | Facedown: ^^^ |
| 18:51.17 | Wyzard | Ubuntu focuses more on latest-and-greatest desktop stuff and releases more often (8.10 comes out in four days btw) whereas Debian focuses more on server-class stability and reliability, but has a longer release cycle as a result |
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| 18:52.29 | simonrvn | the <> are what the bot has, and should ask about |
| 18:53.15 | stanlin | Wyzard: debian focuses on server side?? LAWL |
| 18:53.40 | Wyzard | I said server-class stability, not server software only |
| 18:53.51 | simonrvn | !lawl |
| 18:53.51 | dpkg | i guess lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
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| 18:54.11 | Wyzard | Of course Debian has things like GNOME |
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| 18:54.48 | Wyzard | but Ubuntu releases every 6 months, whereas Debian releases more like every 18 months, so most of the time the latest versions of the desktop stuff is not to be found in Debian |
| 18:54.53 | jkp | hi all: im using USB passthrough on KVM to pass my printer through to my guest. it seems that when i plug the printer in, the host os (debian) loads the usblp kernel module automatically |
| 18:55.08 | Wyzard | The slow release cycle is more acceptable in a server environment |
| 18:55.13 | jkp | is there some way i can prevent this happenign as this prevents KVM using the printer |
| 18:55.26 | jkp | i read that i could use /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 18:55.27 | keith_ | Wyzard: if I use "ip addr add <address> dev eth0", it's not persistent across boots, no? |
| 18:55.30 | jkp | is this correct? |
| 18:55.45 | Wyzard | keith_: |
| 18:55.51 | simonrvn | keith_: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:56.04 | Wyzard | keith_: There's probably a way to specify multiple IPs in /etc/network/interfaces but I've never needed to do it |
| 18:56.19 | simonrvn | post-up |
| 18:56.22 | stanlin | Wyzard: debian slow release cycle?? LAWL |
| 18:56.35 | simonrvn | !lawl |
| 18:56.36 | dpkg | hmm... lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
| 18:56.45 | Wyzard | I hope the interfaces file isn't limited to doing it the legacy way (with aliases) |
| 18:56.57 | simonrvn | is starting to get deja-vu |
| 18:57.00 | keith_ | Wyzard: well, it's easy to add them to the interfaces file, using aliasing |
| 18:57.13 | simonrvn | Wyzard: nope |
| 18:57.22 | Wyzard | simonrvn: hmm, I'm surprised then |
| 18:57.28 | simonrvn | add additional ones as secondary |
| 18:57.32 | simonrvn | post-up |
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| 18:58.21 | omid8bimo | hey |
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| 18:58.41 | acidslep | hi |
| 18:59.18 | stoned | simonrvn, the font? |
| 18:59.33 | stoned | ttf-dejavu |
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| 19:00.25 | simonrvn | no |
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| 19:03.34 | keith_ | writing a post-up script hardly qualifies as doing in through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:04.09 | keith_ | even if it is only one line |
| 19:04.17 | Wyzard | indeed... I'm disappointed if Debian's ifup/ifdown still depends on the old ifconfig way of doing things |
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| 19:05.52 | stanlin | Wyzard: debian old ways of doing things? LAWL!! |
| 19:06.14 | Wyzard | !ops stanlin troll |
| 19:06.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wyzard complains about: stanlin troll |
| 19:06.17 | d-b | Wyzard: ... old is good. |
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| 19:06.28 | d-b | i thought stalin was banned. |
| 19:06.42 | Wyzard | d-b: perhaps, but stanlin isn't |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | stanlin: you've been warned before, knock it off |
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| 19:07.21 | d-b | Wyzard: i see no difference, i'm betting its the same person. |
| 19:07.32 | meoblast001 | why is that making me highlight? |
| 19:07.41 | meoblast001 | oh wait.. nvm |
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| 19:08.15 | keith_ | Wyzard: if the "old" way works fine, i see no reason not to use it |
| 19:08.33 | Wyzard | anyway, interface aliases are the 2.4.x way of putting multiple IPs on an interface, and that's the interface that ifconfig uses |
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| 19:08.39 | d-b | Wyzard: mmm what is the new way ? |
| 19:08.44 | abrotman | d-b: he was yesterday .. for abusing the kb |
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| 19:08.56 | Wyzard | 2.6 kernels have a newer way of configuring network interfaces, accessed through the "ip" command in the iproute package (e.g. "ip addr add ...") |
| 19:09.09 | d-b | i thought one could do either. |
| 19:09.15 | Wyzard | Both ways work |
| 19:09.24 | dvs | Wyzard: so no more "eth0:0" stuff? |
| 19:09.28 | Wyzard | right |
| 19:09.31 | dvs | ok |
| 19:09.39 | Wyzard | The new interface lets you put multiple IPs on eth0 itself |
| 19:09.55 | d-b | so just routes .... mmm i like it the old way - i can see what is where. |
| 19:10.06 | xingu | crucially though the netdev associated with the secondary addresses is the parent |
| 19:10.08 | dvs | Wyzard: where's the docs for that? |
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| 19:10.19 | Wyzard | "ip addr show" shows you all the addresses associated with an interface |
| 19:10.45 | Wyzard | It's more important for IPv6 than for IPv4, because having multiple IPv6 addresses on an interface is part of normal operation |
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| 19:11.15 | Wyzard | dvs: man ip |
| 19:11.24 | Wyzard | There's probably additional docs somewhere but I don't know about it |
| 19:11.43 | dvs | Wyzard: not that I need it right now but it's nice to know. |
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| 19:18.53 | Sebboh | hello. I've been reading about digital timestamps--like digital signatures, but in addition to proving that only you could have made the document, they also prove what date/time you did it. Is there a free or cheap service provider that I can hook my debian machine up to for this? |
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| 19:20.09 | Coutaux | is anyone using the webmin web panel? where can i actually find my installed modules? @__@ |
| 19:20.25 | xingu | !webmin |
| 19:20.25 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 19:20.46 | simonrvn | hi xingu |
| 19:21.27 | xingu | hola |
| 19:22.35 | d-b | Coutaux: wrong channel if you want to use webmin. |
| 19:22.53 | Coutaux | oh? but my server came with debian/webmin |
| 19:22.57 | Coutaux | which channel is good ? |
| 19:23.18 | d-b | #webmin if it exists. .... your server came with debian and webmin ? (hosting i assume) |
| 19:23.25 | Coutaux | yes |
| 19:23.48 | Coutaux | dpkg - lol i didn't expect any less from a linux channel but nvm :) hope you're having a fine day! |
| 19:23.48 | dpkg | You are moron #31, Coutaux |
| 19:24.00 | abrotman | ... dpkg is a bot |
| 19:24.01 | simonrvn | we don't support webmin here, obviously |
| 19:24.06 | simonrvn | it's a bot |
| 19:24.10 | Coutaux | dpkg do you suffer from Tourette's syndrome? |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | eagerly does you suffer from Tourette's syndrome |
| 19:24.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:24.47 | Coutaux | lawlllllllll |
| 19:24.51 | Coutaux | that's gay LOL |
| 19:24.55 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:24.55 | abrotman | !tell Coutaux about gay |
| 19:25.03 | simonrvn | !lawl |
| 19:25.03 | dpkg | [lawl] the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
| 19:25.05 | Coutaux | but it did sound pretty much like the standard linux channel fanboy :P |
| 19:25.20 | Coutaux | but like |
| 19:25.31 | Coutaux | does anyone know where to find the webmin modules? |
| 19:25.39 | abrotman | ask the webmin people |
| 19:25.53 | d-b | Coutaux: try their irc channel or the website. you will not get an answer from this room about webmin. |
| 19:25.55 | Coutaux | well i am sure someone in here has a server with debian/webmin... |
| 19:25.57 | d-b | webmined :) |
| 19:26.05 | simonrvn | Coutaux: nope |
| 19:26.06 | d-b | BOOM. |
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| 19:26.11 | simonrvn | it's not packaged |
| 19:26.27 | MafProd | no need for webmin |
| 19:26.38 | MafProd | have shell access to my boxes |
| 19:26.48 | javanero | lol |
| 19:26.59 | simonrvn | shell++ |
| 19:27.12 | d-b | mmm. is there a module for oo.o so i can use another "save" / open file method. its one still stinks. |
| 19:27.19 | Coutaux | yup the more difficult the more linux guys love a system :P |
| 19:27.22 | Coutaux | i prefer guis |
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| 19:27.34 | MafProd | hate guis |
| 19:27.37 | Coutaux | ^^ |
| 19:27.44 | MafProd | to much mouse actions |
| 19:27.46 | javanero | either or for me. GUIs or CLI |
| 19:27.51 | d-b | Coutaux: i odn't mind guis. but i wan both. |
| 19:27.53 | simonrvn | what are you smoking (so i can avoid it)? |
| 19:28.03 | d-b | want* |
| 19:28.11 | EmleyMoor | A bad gui is worse than a bad CLi |
| 19:28.17 | Coutaux | well it's the truth though |
| 19:28.20 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 19:28.24 | MafProd | even a good gui is |
| 19:28.44 | Coutaux | linux people love everything that is hard/l33t/has-a-lot-of-numbers-and-letters and the less "user friendly" the better usually :P |
| 19:28.46 | Coutaux | it's a fact |
| 19:28.47 | d-b | MafProd: better than a cli in some cases. |
| 19:28.50 | simonrvn | a good gui lets you hotkey a lot ;) |
| 19:28.58 | javanero | As long as "I" control my desktop, then I am happy. |
| 19:29.10 | Wyzard | Coutaux: nah, they're just not afraid of it :-P |
| 19:29.10 | simonrvn | anyway, ot |
| 19:29.19 | Coutaux | hehe |
| 19:29.29 | MafProd | you can have lots og cli's in a gui though |
| 19:29.46 | MafProd | og == of |
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| 19:29.49 | MafProd | typo |
| 19:29.54 | Wyzard | Anyway, a good GUI for configuring a server wouldn't be a bad thing |
| 19:30.04 | Wyzard | but webmin is not a good one |
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| 19:30.16 | d-b | MafProd: my example is the ssh gnome bar. click to open ALL / category / group of ssh sessions in gnome-terminals or a gnome-terminal in tabs :) |
| 19:30.18 | MafProd | gui's are for desktops, not for servers |
| 19:30.55 | Coutaux | i used webmin because it has gui modules so i can turn my dedicated server into a VPN server machine without hiring a linux "consultant" at $100/hr to install openvpn server >< |
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| 19:31.29 | simonrvn | `aptitude install openvpn' too difficult i suppose ;p |
| 19:31.34 | MafProd | you should spend $20 dollars on a book and use the other 80 for some beers |
| 19:31.37 | d-b | simonrvn: apparently. |
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| 19:31.59 | Sebboh | Coutaux: my rate these days seems to be only $35/hour. I'd be happy to install openvpn for you. |
| 19:32.04 | Wyzard | simonrvn: That's a strawman argument -- that installs it, but configuring it is another story |
| 19:32.14 | Coutaux | simonrvn; it works with .cfg files, no gui, and doesn't work with windows natively |
| 19:32.16 | MafProd | although i have to confess that webmin was my first experiance to linux |
| 19:32.16 | simonrvn | Wyzard: ;) |
| 19:32.28 | Coutaux | exactly Wyzard hehe |
| 19:32.33 | d-b | Wyzard: there is some good documentation and tutorials online. |
| 19:32.38 | Wyzard | Coutaux: OpenVPN supports Windows (though I've never used it) |
| 19:32.41 | MafProd | began with e-smith sme server |
| 19:32.44 | simonrvn | i tried webmin. it got in my way, and screwed things up. |
| 19:32.55 | MafProd | openvpn works great om windows |
| 19:33.04 | MafProd | use it on my work laptop |
| 19:33.10 | Coutaux | hmm |
| 19:33.19 | MafProd | dropped webmin after a year |
| 19:33.32 | Sebboh | Coutaux: at the end of the day the fact remains that webmin really can hurt you in the long run; it's poorly written. Furthermore, this conversation is getting in the way of my question about digital signature timestamps. ;) |
| 19:33.33 | MafProd | after you learn a few things, shell works better |
| 19:33.51 | Coutaux | i would give it a try... |
| 19:34.03 | simonrvn | though it *did* force me to learn about ssl certs, so it wasn't a totally bad experience. ;) |
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| 19:34.11 | Coutaux | i guess i need to make a post on elance or something to get someone to install that |
| 19:34.25 | d-b | tinyca :) |
| 19:34.54 | simonrvn | didn't exist back then. i set up a local ca the old fashioned way |
| 19:35.02 | xingu | webmin's a bit like getting the clap; on the one hand, woohoo, you got laid, on the other hand, now you've got at least one problem, and 'fessing up isn't going to generate much sympathy |
| 19:35.50 | simonrvn | xingu: good analogy |
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| 19:36.15 | xingu | however I can't think of many more singularly inappropriate places to install it on than a vpn concentrator |
| 19:36.39 | Coutaux | xingu; linux folks denounce everything that's "easy/GUI/user friendly" almost regardless of the user's actual wishes... my wish is an easy system that i can control without reading libraries worth of documentation or hiring consultants to do the most trivial tasks. so for me i need a gui that's simple and works. |
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| 19:37.00 | Wyzard | Coutaux: Do you also wish a system that people can break into easily? |
| 19:37.03 | MafProd | it's a good place for it if you want to share your connections ;) |
| 19:37.08 | simonrvn | Coutaux: i suppose that stereotype goes along with every other one you hold dear |
| 19:37.23 | xingu | simonrvn: ssh, you're destroying potential revenue! |
| 19:37.50 | Coutaux | Wyzard; honestly that's not my priority |
| 19:37.54 | simonrvn | doesn't care |
| 19:37.57 | Wyzard | Coutaux: Nobody's denouncing webmin for being easy-to-use; they're denouncing it for being insecure and a bad idea to install on a VPN server |
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| 19:38.14 | simonrvn | afk |
| 19:38.15 | Coutaux | i want to use vpn, not become a certified linux professional |
| 19:38.20 | micols | openvpn isn' |
| 19:38.23 | micols | t that hard to setup |
| 19:38.30 | keith_ | neither is poptop |
| 19:38.38 | Wyzard | Coutaux: You want to use a VPN but you don't care if it's secure? |
| 19:38.41 | MafProd | Coutaux: if you wan't a gui, that's ok. But after you get used to cli, it's more powerfull |
| 19:38.54 | keith_ | crap. how do I get a conf file out of a package? |
| 19:39.06 | micols | i think -X or something |
| 19:39.09 | micols | to extract it |
| 19:39.10 | MafProd | openvpn is easy to setup these days |
| 19:39.15 | keith_ | if I reinstall it, apt/dpkg remembers that I had removed it and won't replace it |
| 19:39.19 | SeveredCross | What's insecure about Webmin? |
| 19:39.19 | Coutaux | Wyzard; i'd care if it didn't involve reading an encyclopedia on cryptography |
| 19:39.30 | micols | keith_: you can do --purge when removing |
| 19:39.38 | micols | and then reinstall normally, the config will be gone with purge |
| 19:39.45 | Wyzard | keith_: dpkg -i --force-confmiss foo.deb |
| 19:39.50 | dvs | keith: or dpkg-reconfigure <packages> to reconfigure it. |
| 19:39.58 | keith_ | yah, thought i tried that |
| 19:40.05 | keith_ | maybe the file was part of a dependent package, then |
| 19:40.28 | Wyzard | Coutaux: The whole point of a VPN is to secure your communications with cryptography |
| 19:40.53 | Coutaux | i want communication without becoming a cryptography expert |
| 19:40.54 | Wyzard | Coutaux: What you're saying is that you want to set up a service but you don't really care if it works right |
| 19:40.56 | MafProd | Coutaux: if you don't want to learn crypto, use telnet |
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| 19:41.00 | simonrvn | dpkg -x foo/; ar x foo.deb |
| 19:41.00 | dpkg | no idea, simonrvn |
| 19:41.02 | xingu | well, that's part of it; the other part is to bridge two trust domains |
| 19:41.22 | Wyzard | xingu: That requires the bridge to be trustworthy |
| 19:41.28 | micols | i use telnet every day |
| 19:41.28 | xingu | mmm. |
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| 19:41.35 | micols | for routers/switches :) |
| 19:41.42 | micols | even core routers :) |
| 19:42.03 | keith_ | micols: Wyzard: dvs: thanks. seems to work |
| 19:42.06 | MafProd | use telnet only to check for services |
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| 19:42.13 | dvs | keith_: cool |
| 19:42.16 | Wyzard | Coutaux: I'd strongly recommend *against* setting up a VPN if you don't care to make it secure |
| 19:42.26 | MafProd | don't have to bother with switches |
| 19:42.34 | MafProd | am not a network admin |
| 19:42.39 | Wyzard | Coutaux: It'll give your users a false sense of security |
| 19:43.14 | Coutaux | i think the users honestly care even less than me :P they want to connect to a VPN and do their work (the core purpose is to have another IP address) |
| 19:43.22 | Coutaux | that's all really |
| 19:43.38 | micols | do a ssh tunnel then |
| 19:43.46 | xingu | I wish the openvpn guys would pull their collective finger out and sort out native udp6 support |
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| 19:43.51 | xingu | maybe they have, time to check |
| 19:43.55 | micols | with normal des encryption, if you dont care about security :) |
| 19:44.22 | xingu | seems expensive, just stick to gre tunnel |
| 19:44.27 | Sebboh | micols, tap vpn stuff offers a more.. robust and feature-ful connection than a ssh tunnel does. :) |
| 19:44.29 | dvs | loves using WEP wireless networks. They're quick to setup! ;-) |
| 19:44.51 | Wyzard | Coutaux: and if malicious third parties can connect to your VPN and/or eavesdrop on your users' network traffic, that's OK? |
| 19:45.01 | micols | Sebboh: yes its nice to just say ifup ath0:work :) |
| 19:45.22 | Coutaux | Wyzard; having a working VPN is more important in the beginning |
| 19:45.30 | keith_ | wow |
| 19:45.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I reconfigure the ethernet on debian for static addressing? |
| 19:46.08 | micols | THE_GFR|WORK: iface ethX inet static |
| 19:46.12 | keith_ | dpkg: interfaces |
| 19:46.12 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 19:46.16 | dvs | THE_GFR|WORK: man interfaces |
| 19:46.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks |
| 19:46.28 | Coutaux | i know what you guys are hinting at :P and i know it may not be "secure" etc. but we just need a simple vpn for now. the extra hocus pocus can be added afterwards |
| 19:46.57 | keith_ | Coutaux: go call a cisco reseller, then |
| 19:47.09 | micols | Coutaux: how about starting reading, or hiring someone to do the work for you?:) |
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| 19:47.23 | keith_ | there is no such thing as a "simple VPN" |
| 19:47.25 | micols | since it seems you dont even have a question, you havn't really tried yourself |
| 19:47.35 | aadil | hocus pocus? |
| 19:47.37 | aadil | Oo |
| 19:47.48 | Coutaux | micols; yup im about to visit elance :) |
| 19:48.02 | simonrvn | suspects he like to whine |
| 19:48.08 | simonrvn | likes* |
| 19:48.11 | xingu | actually I'd suggest juniper, their vpn gear is the bomb. |
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| 19:48.29 | MafProd | Coutaux: instead of spending $20 on a book, you can give me $100 and i'll advice you to buy a |
| 19:48.38 | MafProd | $30 dollar book instead |
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| 19:50.13 | Coutaux | dude i've had it with linux command lines, weird screens full of numbers and people constantly telling me to go read up an academic degree before i "have the knowledge" to install something. i come from windows and i'm used to easy 5min GUI installs no matter the program :) |
| 19:50.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | if I edit the interfaces config file and change DHCP to static where do I put in the static info? |
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| 19:50.37 | sandman | In the case of using LVM on top of an encryption volume on top of software RAID, must one really have a separate [/boot,/] partition? |
| 19:51.01 | micols | sandman: sounds reasonable |
| 19:51.02 | Wyzard | sandman: yes, the kernel can't be on an encrypted volume or the bootloader can't read it |
| 19:51.06 | MafProd | you should have stayed with windows then |
| 19:51.07 | mimcpher | Coutaux, the next line in this debate says to tell you to stay there then. |
| 19:51.10 | dvs | THE_GFR|WORK: Add lines after the "iface" line |
| 19:51.16 | sandman | Wyzard: Will this ever change? |
| 19:51.36 | Wyzard | sandman: not unless GRUB gains support for dm-crypt |
| 19:51.49 | Wyzard | sandman: which is a possibility, eventually (grub2 supports LVM) but not likely anytime soon |
| 19:51.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | dvs: ah ok |
| 19:51.53 | simonrvn | sandman: if / is that, yes |
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| 19:52.42 | Wyzard | Coutaux: What you're saying is that you don't know how to do it right -- which is fine -- but that you'd rather just do it wrong than either learn how to do it right or hire someone who already knows how to do it right |
| 19:52.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | right that works great thanks |
| 19:52.50 | dvs | THE_GFR|WORK: np |
| 19:53.20 | Coutaux | Wyzard; yup that is basically the truth |
| 19:53.24 | micols | $1000 isnt much an hour if it saves yourself from 20 hours :) |
| 19:53.41 | dvs | or to recover all your data |
| 19:53.45 | Wyzard | Coutaux: There's nothing wrong with not wanting to become a Linux expert yourself |
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| 19:54.04 | meoblast001 | why doesnt /etc/gconf/default.____ work? |
| 19:54.06 | micols | hell we all wish we could go back to win98, dont we? |
| 19:54.06 | MafProd | Coutaux: who is forcing you to use linux then? |
| 19:54.08 | meoblast001 | i put stuff in there |
| 19:54.11 | abrotman | meoblast001: stop asking here, last warning |
| 19:54.15 | micols | life was easy at that point |
| 19:54.15 | meoblast001 | why? |
| 19:54.21 | meoblast001 | this is DEBIAN support.. im using DEBIAN |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | meoblast001: because it's not a Debian questoin |
| 19:54.29 | abrotman | meoblast001: no .. you're making your own distro |
| 19:54.32 | MafProd | Or do you just like to make it hard on yourself? |
| 19:54.39 | meoblast001 | no im workign with Gnome in Debian |
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| 19:55.04 | Coutaux | MafProd because well... the server will also host a website later on, and the website is coded in a linux-specific language (RoR or something) |
| 19:55.07 | MafProd | Who's stopping you from running w98 |
| 19:55.09 | Wyzard | Coutaux: Anyway, the bottom line is that you're not going to get help with webmin here -- it's not in Debian, not supported by Debian, everyone but you thinks it's a bad idea, and it's hard to have any respect for your attitude toward the way you want to run your service |
| 19:55.32 | Wyzard | Ruby on Rails isn't Linux-specific |
| 19:55.42 | MafProd | I expect you could use RoR on windows if you want to |
| 19:55.53 | Wyzard | It might not work with IIS (no idea) but you can run Apache on Windows if nothing else |
| 19:56.00 | MafProd | you can even use php on IIS or Apache for windows |
| 19:56.01 | Nibbl | hey, VPN is not about making things secure! |
| 19:56.02 | sandman | Okay, I just wanted a word that this is reasonable. Here's what I have in mind: Two drives, hda and hdb. 3 partitions on each. first partition on each will be 100M ([/boot,/], I haven't decided which quite yet), second on each will be 1.5G (swap), third on each will be used for LVM, and subdivided into various other partitions such as /var and so forth. The third partition on each drive will occupy the rest of the space on the drives. |
| 19:56.06 | micols | MafProd: when you have played with bind,ldap,qos,sendmail,apache etc you cannot go back to point and click :) |
| 19:56.40 | Nibbl | its a common feature, but not something a vpn *has* to offer |
| 19:56.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | so for the DNS information I just add address 192.168.1.10 |
| 19:56.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | gah |
| 19:56.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | sorry |
| 19:56.47 | micols | but some days i wish i could :) |
| 19:57.01 | Wyzard | but setting up a secure VPN on a Windows server would still require at least someone to have a basic understanding of cryptography and certificates |
| 19:57.16 | micols | just forget everything and stay in wonderland. |
| 19:57.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | er for the DNS info on debian I add dns-nameservers then the address of the name servers for primary and secondary there right? |
| 19:57.28 | MafProd | winxp drove me to linux, and ie never looked back |
| 19:57.30 | sandman | All the partitions will be RAID1, to help keep uptime at a maximum. The second and third partitions will be on an Encrypted volume. In particular, second partition will be random key encryption, where the third will be passphrase. This will be to increase security of the data in case the machine is stolen. |
| 19:57.50 | Nibbl | Wyzard: yep. i had a "coworker" who set up hamachi for his costumers :D |
| 19:57.56 | d-b | sandman: random encryption ? |
| 19:57.57 | Wyzard | sandman: I use LVM-on-crypto-on-RAID here |
| 19:57.57 | sandman | The third partition will have LVM on top of the encryption volume on top of the RAID volume on top of the logical partition upon which it sits. |
| 19:58.06 | dvs | sandman: 100MB is too big for a boot drive, 20MB is more like it. If you have plenty of RAM, you may not need a swap partition: a swap file may be fine. |
| 19:58.08 | sandman | d-b: Yes. Random Key encryption for the swap partition. |
| 19:58.08 | micols | MafProd: hehe for desktop it really isnt that efficient imo, but for programming and servers it is. |
| 19:58.21 | Wyzard | d-b: key read from /dev/random at boot time so it's different each reboot (often used for things like /tmp and swap that don't need to persist across reboots) |
| 19:58.31 | MafProd | at home it's only linux and mac, at work it's winxp, 2003 server, and AIX |
| 19:58.37 | sandman | Yeah. Basically random key encryption results in a really really long key |
| 19:58.43 | micols | MafProd: i dislike gnome, and xfcec4 etc, they're not that good yet, and nautilus is bad as always |
| 19:58.55 | sandman | It's much more secure than passphrase encryption, since even you don't know the key, and like I said, it's thoroughly long and nearly completely random. |
| 19:58.56 | micols | MafProd: so im stuck with blackbox for 5years or so now |
| 19:59.00 | d-b | !kewl |
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| 19:59.00 | dpkg | kewl is, like, not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 19:59.13 | MafProd | use gnome myself |
| 19:59.22 | sandman | However, there's the caveat that every reboot, the data on that encrypted volume becomes useless, since the key changes and is largely unknown to anyone but the kernel. |
| 19:59.26 | micols | i guess the pain would go away the day i can actually run games and firefox in my tty |
| 19:59.31 | MafProd | started with kde, but that's to blooted these days |
| 19:59.32 | sandman | So that basically makes it _perfect_ for a swap partition. |
| 19:59.36 | micols | and openoffice etc. the day i dont have to start xorg |
| 19:59.54 | Nibbl | sandman: you know that this is breakable, due to ram wont be deleted when machine is resetted? |
| 20:00.06 | MafProd | you can get along with links2 and w3m on a tty |
| 20:00.17 | sandman | Nibbl: RAM is deleted when the machine is reset, actually, unless your ram is of a particular type. |
| 20:00.19 | micols | i already use both links and w3m |
| 20:00.23 | sandman | Nibbl: SRAM, I think is what it's called. |
| 20:00.29 | micols | doesnt suit my needs completely. |
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| 20:00.39 | Sebboh | Wow, elance sucks compared to oDesk. I've been using the later for 1.5 years, and just checked out elance's FAQ since it was talked about in here.. They don't offer much. :) |
| 20:00.40 | Wyzard | Nibbl: I've heard about there being an attack against that, but it's pretty advanced, probably beyond the abilities of most attackers |
| 20:00.41 | MafProd | often thats a much better experiance then al the flash and javasctipt crapp |
| 20:00.52 | micols | yes flash uses 100% cpu on my craptop |
| 20:01.05 | Nibbl | of course, encryption is still better than no encryption. no doubt on that |
| 20:01.14 | MafProd | firefox and noscript is ok |
| 20:01.18 | Wyzard | sandman: There was something on slashdot a few months ago about recovering data from ordinary PC RAM after power-off |
| 20:01.27 | MafProd | only enable the crap when you want to |
| 20:01.47 | Nibbl | sandman: fill up your ram with random word (perl -e "while (1 == 1) { $foo.="ARRRRGON";}" |
| 20:02.06 | sandman | Nibbl: Okay. But when? |
| 20:02.09 | sandman | Nibbl: And how? |
| 20:02.18 | Nibbl | and hit the reset button. then scan your ram for ARRRRGON, and see how often you find it, in the "deleted" ram |
| 20:02.33 | sandman | Nibbl: If the system has te power pulled, like in the case where it was stolen |
| 20:02.36 | Nibbl | of course, fix the line of code before you do this :) |
| 20:02.38 | sandman | Nibbl: Said script cannot run |
| 20:02.39 | micols | i think you need to hit power button on PSU to clear ram |
| 20:02.49 | micols | first then that the motherboard loses power |
| 20:03.05 | Nibbl | but the bits in RAM fade..... slowly... minutes.... |
| 20:03.07 | micols | and then wait xx minutes |
| 20:03.10 | micols | yes |
| 20:03.28 | micols | i saw that they recovered a faded monalisa from ram, kind of cool |
| 20:03.31 | micols | after 5minutes or so :) |
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| 20:03.39 | micols | but with a few black dots. |
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| 20:03.44 | MafProd | just take out the strips and massage them with a hammer |
| 20:03.51 | Nibbl | just digging out the video.... |
| 20:03.59 | MafProd | garanteed they will not be readable anymore ;) |
| 20:04.05 | atc- | Hi all. Anyone successfully installed libupnp2 under Debian? I'm trying to install ushare which requires it. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:04.15 | go_beep_yourself | want to find a command with beginning with s and 3 chars long, something like this whereis "s??" |
| 20:04.17 | atc- | (Apt complains about it not being installable) |
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| 20:05.01 | ddos | azul fellawen |
| 20:05.37 | keith_ | atc-: etch? lenny? |
| 20:05.46 | atc- | keith_: sid |
| 20:05.48 | Sebboh | about the recover from ram conversation: fyi modern PSUs and mobos are very careful about *where* they supply power when the machine is in an off state.. Ever heard of that EnergyStar program or other EPA mandates? :) |
| 20:06.03 | keith_ | your choices are libupnp3 or libupnp4 |
| 20:06.05 | keith_ | atc-: ^ |
| 20:06.18 | atc- | keith_: I see, but what about the dependency that ushare has on v2? |
| 20:06.32 | micols | i often replace ram with psu power on |
| 20:06.40 | micols | but again, i have lots of defective ram blocks |
| 20:06.42 | micols | :) |
| 20:06.49 | MafProd | wonder why? |
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| 20:07.17 | Sebboh | go_beep_yourself: type s and hit tab twice, in your terminal? Else do ls s?? for each dir in your path... |
| 20:07.22 | Nibbl | sandman: http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ |
| 20:07.23 | MafProd | with all the condensators on your board and in the psu, it takes some time for it all to drain |
| 20:07.23 | atc- | keith_: any idea where I can get libupnp from? apt-cache search returns nothing for libupnp |
| 20:07.51 | micols | MafProd: yes i hear a noise after 3-4seconds and the led goes off then i know its unpowered. |
| 20:07.53 | MafProd | evan the ram has condensators, so makes sense their not blank immediatly |
| 20:07.58 | keith_ | atc-: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libupnp |
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| 20:08.10 | micols | MafProd: ram mostly is condensators :) |
| 20:08.17 | Nibbl | sandman: sorry, i hit enter too early perl -e "while (1 == 1) { \$foo.='ARRRRGON';}" <-- would work |
| 20:08.31 | Nibbl | but check the video... |
| 20:08.36 | MafProd | i know, but it's not obvious to evryone ;) |
| 20:08.43 | atc- | keith_: aye thanks. doesn't help much with the ushare dep. though :| |
| 20:08.58 | keith_ | what is this 'ushare' thing you speak of? |
| 20:08.59 | Sebboh | MafProd: so? Power is added to the little bits in a ram chip during a refresh cycle. None of those happen when the memory controller is "off", even if it does have some residual power on its pins.. |
| 20:09.22 | Wyzard | looks like the versions of libupnp that have been in Debian are 1.2, 1.6, and 1.8 |
| 20:09.34 | Wyzard | with ABI versions 0, 3, and 4 respectively |
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| 20:09.50 | MafProd | the refresh is only to make sure the data remains readable |
| 20:09.54 | Sebboh | MafProd: btw my "so?" was directed at the mobo-related comment, not the ram-related comment. ;) I like and agree with the later. |
| 20:09.58 | sandman | Amazingly, partman for the debian installer allocates 255M to /boot when automatically allocating space for partitions |
| 20:10.09 | MafProd | it only fades slowly after the current is dropped from the controller |
| 20:10.09 | sandman | When using LVM and such. Is this so you can fit tools onto it? |
| 20:10.09 | Wyzard | methinks more information is needed about what version of libupnp this ushare program actually needs |
| 20:10.13 | sandman | Like for instance, to repair LVM? |
| 20:10.18 | sandman | And encryption and what-have-you? |
| 20:10.26 | Wyzard | sandman: no, /boot is /boot |
| 20:10.34 | Wyzard | That does seem like a bit too much space |
| 20:10.50 | Wyzard | but it's still a tiny fraction of a modern hard drive |
| 20:10.52 | sandman | Wyzard: Right. But if something happens to my LVM, it would be nice to have the tools to repair it. So I _could_ put useful tools in /boot, yes? |
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| 20:10.57 | Sebboh | sandman: does boot grow if you never remove old kernels but keep upgrading to new ones? (via packages, not home built..) |
| 20:11.02 | Wyzard | so it's not really "too much", just more than necessary |
| 20:11.12 | Wyzard | Sebboh: yes |
| 20:11.14 | sandman | Sebboh: Yes, afaik. |
| 20:11.29 | keith_ | sandman: can always just use a live CD |
| 20:11.30 | Wyzard | sandman: You could, but I'd just use a liveCD for that |
| 20:11.58 | sandman | keith_: Well. In the case that I cannot physically access the machine, but can cause a reboot remotely, it would be cool if it would boot up, start an SSHd and such |
| 20:12.09 | MafProd | you would have to make sure the tools are statically build though |
| 20:12.14 | sandman | This way, even if the system takes very heavy damage, I can still repair it remotely. |
| 20:12.25 | sandman | MafProd: Good point. |
| 20:12.29 | sandman | But does this seem reasonable? |
| 20:12.31 | keith_ | sandman: extremely ambitious |
| 20:12.56 | sandman | lol Well, I want to build a system which I can install debian stable on, and set and forget it for a loooooong time. |
| 20:14.03 | Wyzard | You won't be getting additional kernels running stable |
| 20:14.12 | MafProd | sandman: sounds like you need an ip serial console |
| 20:14.25 | keith_ | or a box with a serial console |
| 20:14.29 | Wyzard | just updates to existing kernels (e.g. for security) which overwrite the existing vmlinuz file, not create a new one |
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| 20:15.01 | MafProd | he sayed remotely |
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| 20:15.24 | MafProd | for servers i tend to enable a serial console just in case. |
| 20:15.33 | sandman | I've never done that before |
| 20:15.40 | sandman | "Serial console"... I'll have to look that up later |
| 20:15.46 | go_beep_yourself | i want to replace : with spaces. why does this not work? sed s/:/ / |
| 20:15.53 | go_beep_yourself | i even tryed \: |
| 20:15.55 | MafProd | is often easier then hooking up a monitor and keyboard when the network stuff doesn't work |
| 20:15.58 | Wyzard | sandman: It's just a console running on a serial port |
| 20:16.08 | Wyzard | which you can connect to from another computer via serial cable |
| 20:16.14 | MafProd | works great |
| 20:16.26 | MafProd | used to have an dsl modem with one |
| 20:16.54 | MafProd | helped a lot when i locked myself out of the firewall :B |
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| 20:17.15 | MafProd | :( |
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| 20:18.06 | MafProd | it turned out to work better when local lan is allowed to go trough the firewall |
| 20:18.33 | micols | an ip serial console would be priceless. |
| 20:19.06 | micols | have to stick with my kvm switch and my servers' 2x com ports each |
| 20:19.15 | MafProd | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/ |
| 20:19.21 | MafProd | explains it all |
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| 20:21.10 | MafProd | problem nowadays is that laptops do not have serial ports anymore |
| 20:21.21 | lostson | if i would install debian right now and then enable testing would that give me the frozen testing ? |
| 20:21.44 | keith_ | if only they made some sort of... 'adapter', that would let you plug a serial cable into a USB port. that'd be great |
| 20:22.09 | Wyzard | keith_: They do... I have one, for use with my HP48 |
| 20:22.09 | micols | should be possible |
| 20:22.16 | MafProd | i even managed to create a gentoo install disk once that ran of the serial port |
| 20:22.17 | Wyzard | it was $15 on newegg |
| 20:22.20 | keith_ | Wyzard: crazy talk! |
| 20:22.26 | Wyzard | though I don't know if it'd work for a Linux serial console |
| 20:22.36 | keith_ | your sarcasm detector is broken |
| 20:22.44 | Wyzard | hmm, evidently |
| 20:22.47 | keith_ | Wyzard: it depends on what chip it is |
| 20:22.59 | mavhc | keith_: you didn't use the sarcasm font |
| 20:22.59 | MafProd | it should work. aparently you could use an usb to usb copy cable |
| 20:23.11 | keith_ | mavhc: ah, my bad |
| 20:23.18 | MafProd | like the onces used to copy windows config from one machine to another |
| 20:23.40 | Wyzard | I should try it sometime... see whether my adapter can be used as a port for a serial console |
| 20:23.55 | MafProd | problem is that kernel support is bad for those |
| 20:24.04 | micols | why would you need a new laptop anyway for running linux, i wouldnt buy anything newer than centrino :) |
| 20:24.12 | micols | and they mostly have 1 comport |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | centrino is a chipset |
| 20:24.31 | micols | yes exactly, but most centrino laptops do have com ports |
| 20:24.39 | Wyzard | None of my computers have serial ports at all, except the old 800MHz Athlon box from 2000 |
| 20:24.40 | MafProd | typing on a lenovo thinkpad here |
| 20:24.45 | abrotman | but they sell them today .. so "newer than" .. doesn't make much sense |
| 20:25.10 | micols | i got 2x comports on my laptop and a dell wide dock connector, but it doesnt have any rj45 connector |
| 20:25.11 | MafProd | running ubuntu for now |
| 20:25.20 | micols | so i am off with wlan only :) |
| 20:25.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: Actually, Centrino is a marketing name for a certain combination of hardware (one of a certain set of chipsets, processors, and wireless cards) |
| 20:25.32 | micols | it has rj11, however |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | close enough! still sold today! |
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| 20:26.11 | MafProd | docking station for this lenovo has serial ports |
| 20:26.27 | Wyzard | My Centrino laptop (ThinkPad Z60m) has no serial port |
| 20:26.29 | micols | i want a laptop with scsi disk in |
| 20:26.31 | MafProd | but i haven't got a docking at home though |
| 20:26.43 | xingu | micols: what on earth for? :) |
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| 20:27.20 | MafProd | he propably want's a ultra320 15K drive in his laptop |
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| 20:27.49 | micols | yes my balls like it hot. this laptop with a defective fan is 70C all the time :) |
| 20:27.49 | MafProd | keeps it more stable on his lap due to the centrifugal forces from the spinning disk |
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| 20:28.06 | micols | but it also has a near-fullspeed geforce2 in it. |
| 20:28.09 | MafProd | and it's garanteed to drain the battery in 15 minutes |
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| 20:28.13 | micols | and 7200rpm :) |
| 20:28.19 | sandman | grub can understand RAID, yes? |
| 20:28.28 | sandman | So I can put /boot on a RAID1 volume across 2 drives, yes? |
| 20:28.39 | micols | MafProd: this one lasts 20-30minutes at best |
| 20:28.52 | MafProd | mine does 3 hours |
| 20:28.57 | stanlin | hey how to know the number of processors? |
| 20:29.04 | MafProd | but it's only 3 months old yet |
| 20:29.10 | acidslep_ | is your computer hella fast? you have 2 |
| 20:29.15 | Wyzard | stanlin: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:29.36 | Eulex | stanlin, cat /proc/cpuinfo will show you how many logical processors are visible to the os, but not necessarily the number of physical processors |
| 20:29.44 | MafProd | it's a lenovo thinkpad r61i |
| 20:29.57 | cahoot | hwinfo --cpu? |
| 20:30.10 | MafProd | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5750 @ 2.00GHz |
| 20:30.23 | MafProd | is fast enough |
| 20:30.40 | micols | more than fast enough, i could easily do with 1.3 centrino |
| 20:30.47 | MafProd | got rid of the windows vista bussiness right away |
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| 20:31.02 | micols | great :) hope you asked if you could have your money back for it :) |
| 20:31.05 | joltcan | sandman: /boot on raid1 works fine. Just don't put it on lvm on top of that |
| 20:31.19 | sandman | joltcan: Right. OR on an encrypted volume. |
| 20:31.20 | MafProd | boss paid for it, so i don't mind |
| 20:31.26 | Wyzard | joltcan: grub2 supports lvm2, actually |
| 20:31.27 | micols | then they might get tired of selling it as default if people start asking about that all the time. |
| 20:31.28 | sandman | joltcan: Or, can /boot be on an encrypted volume? |
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| 20:31.37 | joltcan | Wyzard: Yes, in theory. Works pretty crappy right now though |
| 20:31.54 | joltcan | sandman: I have a hard time seing you having success with that |
| 20:32.11 | joltcan | sandman: Go with boot on a separate raid1, then encrypt everything else |
| 20:32.32 | sandman | It absolutely cannot be done, I assume? |
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| 20:32.48 | MafProd | by the way it's fast enough to finish compiling the kvirc i'm using in about 15 minutes |
| 20:32.56 | joltcan | Wyzard: Works fine with only lvm. Or only raid1. But /boot on lvm on raid1, that doesn't :) |
| 20:33.07 | Wyzard | ah |
| 20:33.08 | joltcan | Wyzard: Tried it and had hell with it last week |
| 20:33.10 | MafProd | last time i did that took about 3 hours on a pentiumIII |
| 20:33.15 | Wyzard | well, I use a plain partition for /boot anyway |
| 20:34.20 | joltcan | sandman: Depends on if grub would support it, but I guess that is more lightweight than you want it to be. But anyway, separate it to a /boot partition will make your life easier in the long run anyway |
| 20:34.22 | MafProd | Wyzard: i would to, no need to hide the kernel and why make it hard on yourself |
| 20:34.39 | ericpersson | is it possible to use an etch kernel in lenny? |
| 20:34.57 | joltcan | ericpersson: Should be |
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| 20:35.28 | enouf | ericpersson: yes and no ... |
| 20:35.34 | Sebboh | So, question: Suppose I get a file today, from some webserver. And suppose that I want to be able to prove that after I got that file, today, I didn't modify or tamper with it after that. So I'd want to digitally sign it, yes? But further, I want to be able to prove the datetime. I can't imagine any situation where I could do that without an external service, eh? There are commercial ones.. for windows.. Can someone recommend a service |
| 20:35.35 | Sebboh | for digital signature+digital timestamping for my debian machine? |
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| 20:36.06 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I don't see how that'd be OS-specific, since it's a remote service provided over the network |
| 20:36.09 | Sebboh | bonus points for free. :) |
| 20:36.15 | ericpersson | joltcan and enouf: ok.. can I just download the .deb and dpkg -i ? |
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| 20:36.34 | Sebboh | Wyzard: you don't send them the file.. you use client software.. |
| 20:36.35 | enouf | yeah |
| 20:36.38 | ericpersson | it seems xen works ugly with lenny kernels.. |
| 20:36.43 | joltcan | ericpersson: I think so, was some time ago I did it |
| 20:36.50 | joltcan | ericpersson: I was also doing it because of xen |
| 20:37.02 | ericpersson | are you using xen with lenny? |
| 20:37.05 | joltcan | Have I just had some newer hardware, then I would have gone with vserver instead |
| 20:37.08 | enouf | ericpersson: well, etch actually had better xen support, lenny is coming along |
| 20:37.19 | joltcan | No, there were some other issues, so I reverted back to etch |
| 20:37.27 | Sebboh | ericpersson: known fact: whoever maintains xen for debian has .. well, failed in many regards. |
| 20:37.35 | MafProd | Sebboh: why do you need the timestamp?? |
| 20:37.41 | Wyzard | ericpersson: Not long after 2.6.18, work began on integrating Xen into the mainstream kernel, rather than maintaining it as separate patches |
| 20:37.47 | ericpersson | enouf: from the discussions i've read it seems to go really slowly and not with much hope.. |
| 20:38.00 | enouf | ericpersson: new hope is here |
| 20:38.12 | ericpersson | nice to hear.. |
| 20:38.16 | Wyzard | ericpersson: so there are no Xen patches for later kernels, but I don't think the in-kernel support is complete yet |
| 20:38.29 | ericpersson | i like my xen setup, but sticking with etch for it will not cut it in the long run.. |
| 20:38.30 | enouf | getting close |
| 20:38.51 | Wyzard | ericpersson: It may support domU but not dom0 or something like that; I don't know the details |
| 20:38.58 | ericpersson | do any of you know any time perspective on xen-compatible-lenny-kernels? |
| 20:39.12 | joltcan | ericpersson: Well, you can have etch on your dom0 and lenny in the domU |
| 20:39.21 | Wyzard | not really; I run sid and don't pay much attention to lenny |
| 20:39.22 | ericpersson | or just a wild guesst? |
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| 20:40.00 | ericpersson | joltcan: ok, already got lenny on the dom0, I should be able to force it to use an etch kernel and be good i gues.s. |
| 20:40.17 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27#head-b14ab696e23019ae4b6362c5816bcd23a55240ce scroll down to xen area for latest info |
| 20:40.19 | joltcan | ericpersson: Yeah, try it |
| 20:40.42 | ericpersson | sweet, |
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| 20:40.53 | ericpersson | thanks for the info.. |
| 20:40.58 | enouf | Wyzard: exactly what i'd say about it - not sure :-p |
| 20:41.08 | Sebboh | MafProd: I'm developing a business centered around security. For the sake of conversation, let's say that my first project is to investigate a phishing site. First thing I'd like to do is make a copy of it, and since theoretically some criminal case could come of this, I'd like to archive that data in a way that allows me to 'prove' that in the very least, I had that file, on that date (might not be the only thing I'd have to prove, but, a |
| 20:41.10 | Sebboh | good start). |
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| 20:41.32 | enouf | something with dom0 and domU support - ericpersson you should maybe peruse the debian-xen mailing list |
| 20:41.38 | ericpersson | hard to get any time period from that.. but since most of you sounds pretty hopeful about it will happen, i guess i can to.. |
| 20:41.55 | ericpersson | enouf: yeah, might have to sign up at that.. ;*) |
| 20:41.56 | enouf | ericpersson: it's .27, how's that for time period :-P |
| 20:42.16 | ericpersson | enouf: oh.. i see. so when .27 is in lenny, we are good...should be.. |
| 20:42.27 | enouf | ericpersson: go to .26 and do the same - find articles on kerneltrap.org, lwn.net, lkml.org, etc |
| 20:42.34 | Wyzard | except lenny is frozen and won't be getting new kernels officially |
| 20:42.35 | MafProd | if you create a tar, and sign that, it would preserve the data and timestamps |
| 20:42.41 | MafProd | and be tamper proof |
| 20:42.42 | enouf | ericpersson: if .27 is showing full support, then yes |
| 20:42.45 | Wyzard | .27 will probably be available from backports though |
| 20:42.53 | enouf | ericpersson: and, as Wyzard is saying |
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| 20:43.01 | ericpersson | backports should do it i guess.. |
| 20:43.04 | Wyzard | MafProd: but timestamps on one's own signature can be forged when making the signature |
| 20:43.09 | ascii | libavcodec -> ffmpeg mpeg2video encoder ?!!!, is there a simple alternative to creating svcds now, or a way to get this lib to work again? |
| 20:43.17 | ericpersson | sounds good, to bad they didnt get it in place before freeze.. |
| 20:43.18 | Wyzard | MafProd: Sebboh is talking about a third-party timestamping service, like a digital notary public |
| 20:43.21 | Sebboh | MafProd: no, it wouldn't, I could fake a tar today with last week's dates and sign it today. |
| 20:43.34 | enouf | ericpersson: well, debian doesn't own xen tech :-P |
| 20:43.45 | Sebboh | Wyzard: yes, exactly! for linux. :) |
| 20:43.51 | enouf | so, no way to time all that |
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| 20:44.55 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I've never looked into such services, but I'd imagine there are probably some that accept submissions by email rather than requiring a special client application |
| 20:45.09 | MafProd | Sebboh: i'd say you need a certifyed external source for the time |
| 20:45.13 | ericpersson | enouf: well, the xen people should get in line when the debian-god approaches.. |
| 20:45.18 | enouf | Sebboh: you could pull your HDD out, or burn a CD and mail that through certified snailmail to yourself |
| 20:45.26 | MafProd | otherwise you could always fake it. |
| 20:45.43 | enouf | ericpersson: heh .. |
| 20:47.00 | MafProd | you could change timestamps with touch without problems, and i don´t know about any signing method that stores the time and date |
| 20:47.12 | Sebboh | MafProd: of course I'd need an external source. Welcome to the conversation. ;) |
| 20:47.14 | enouf | Sebboh: might want to talk to people involved in copyright (yikes!) law ... maybe groklaw, since proof of works, /at, or before a specific time/ is big in those (artistic ones anyways) fields |
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| 20:47.44 | Sebboh | enouf: yeah, this stuff is big in IP, patent stuff, etc. |
| 20:47.46 | enouf | example; "No, i wrote that song!" |
| 20:48.04 | enouf | and here's proof of when ;-) |
| 20:48.07 | ericpersson | hey, thanks for the immediate xen hints.. feels safer now.. |
| 20:48.11 | MafProd | Sebboh: sorry was to busy to get the $100 for the beer ;) |
| 20:48.28 | trifler | I've conf an alarmclock using crontab, how can I make it stop sendin me internal mails? |
| 20:48.38 | Sebboh | trifler: heh. |
| 20:48.40 | sandman | If the /boot ext3 filesystem is sitting on top of a software raid volume, must I mark the raid1 partitions as bootable? |
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| 20:48.51 | enouf | Sebboh: that's how i learned about the USMail hint, years and years ago, prior to the www |
| 20:48.55 | kbrooks | Hello. |
| 20:49.02 | MafProd | usually for that they use a registration date and time for those things |
| 20:49.08 | Wyzard | sandman: You don't have to mark any partitions at all as bootable for GRUB (and in fact, technically you *shouldn't*) |
| 20:49.12 | kbrooks | I use Windows. Is saying this an attack on you? |
| 20:49.21 | Wyzard | kbrooks: no, it isn't |
| 20:49.22 | MafProd | otherwise it will be a court battle |
| 20:49.43 | enouf | kbrooks: what? |
| 20:49.51 | Sebboh | Wyzard: but I *want* a client. :) I don't want to do this completely manually... My last investigation machine had 8000 files in the case directory after a year.. ;) |
| 20:50.04 | abrotman | kbrooks: i think you're in the wrong channel |
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| 20:50.15 | MafProd | kbrooks: no it's just your problem not mine ; |
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| 20:50.31 | pumpkin0 | that was the worst troll ever ... |
| 20:50.41 | enouf | haha |
| 20:50.45 | sandman | Why is it that when I use random key encryption with the debian installer, after it sets up the encryption volume, it _asks_ me to enter random characters? |
| 20:50.53 | sandman | I thought it drew the random characters from /dev/urandom? |
| 20:51.09 | enouf | likely using your keypresses as a salt |
| 20:51.09 | sandman | If that's the case, why did I have to enter the characters... |
| 20:51.10 | Wyzard | sandman: It's probably using /dev/random, not /dev/urandom |
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| 20:51.29 | Wyzard | sandman: and /dev/random blocks when it runs out of entropy, waiting for more to become available |
| 20:51.40 | mavhc | Sebboh: I always thought the government should have a cryptographic timestamp system, every second you can request a blob to be signed, proving it existed before that time |
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| 20:51.51 | Wyzard | sandman: keystrokes, mouse movements, timings of network traffic and disk activity, etc. are used to provide entropy to /dev/random |
| 20:51.53 | enouf | Wyzard: yes, but urandom loops :-p |
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| 20:52.17 | Wyzard | enouf: which makes it unsuitable for generating cryptographic keys |
| 20:52.19 | cusco | hey |
| 20:52.19 | enouf | what is it, 4096 as default? |
| 20:52.24 | enouf | Wyzard: indeed |
| 20:52.25 | cusco | I need some help with rename... |
| 20:52.47 | cusco | I used to be able to "rename lalala lelele lalala.*" |
| 20:52.49 | trifler | crap I started nano I'm a vi man how do you exit nano? |
| 20:52.54 | trifler | vim* |
| 20:52.56 | Sebboh | mavhc: yeah there are commercial providers of that. ..They sell little boxes of software that you can install on your windows machine, woo! =P |
| 20:52.57 | cusco | where I had lalala.1 lalala.2 lalala.3 until 10 |
| 20:53.11 | cusco | trifler: ctrl x |
| 20:53.13 | Sebboh | trifler: ctrl+x |
| 20:53.14 | MafProd | control x |
| 20:53.18 | enouf | cusco: could try mmv, unless you want to still use prename |
| 20:53.22 | trifler | puh |
| 20:53.33 | mavhc | be easier as a webservice, just send it a hash of your data to sign |
| 20:53.39 | enouf | cusco: what does readlink `which rename` say? |
| 20:54.16 | Sebboh | mavhc: right, right, exactly. Got a linux client? :) |
| 20:54.25 | Sebboh | the services exist.. |
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| 20:54.38 | sandman | Generally, one wants to set LVM on top of encrypted volumes, yes? |
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| 20:54.40 | sandman | And not the other way around? |
| 20:54.42 | enouf | trifler: i found, if the filename exists already, ctrl+o, then Enter, then ctrl-x |
| 20:54.48 | enouf | trifler: to save changes |
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| 20:55.02 | trifler | To edit that vim becomes the default editor I edit the enviroment correct? :S |
| 20:55.09 | MafProd | Sebboh: bad service if it does not have a linux client |
| 20:55.10 | Wyzard | sandman: depends on whether you want each filesystem to be encrypted separately with its own key, or all of them to be encrypted with the same key |
| 20:55.11 | cusco | enouf: /etc/alternatives/rename |
| 20:55.28 | enouf | cusco: what does readlink -f `which rename` say? |
| 20:55.28 | trifler | or anything elese so that crontab -e opens with vim instead of nano |
| 20:55.36 | enouf | cusco: i missed the -f |
| 20:55.45 | sandman | Wyzard: Well. Would there be great benefit to encrypted each one separately? |
| 20:55.51 | cusco | it says /usr/bin/rename |
| 20:55.56 | cusco | no |
| 20:56.00 | cusco | prename |
| 20:56.03 | enouf | cusco: mine says ....right |
| 20:56.14 | enouf | so, it should act the same as it always had |
| 20:56.28 | Wyzard | sandman: potentially stronger security since you can use different passphrases, and if one is broken, the others aren't |
| 20:56.30 | enouf | unless - you want to check the Changelogs and BTS |
| 20:56.43 | Wyzard | sandman: but it's more of an inconvenience since you'd have to type all those passphrases |
| 20:56.46 | enouf | or, you altered your echo $IFS |
| 20:57.00 | cusco | cusco@your-insight:~/rshare/garmin$ rename tralala leleel tralala.* |
| 20:57.01 | cusco | Bareword "tralala" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 20:57.25 | cusco | $IFS is blankl |
| 20:57.42 | MafProd | Sebboh: even kpn (dutch telco) wo normally claim that linux doe not exist, have a linux client for their commercial online backup service |
| 20:57.49 | enouf | cusco: ~$ echo $SHELLOPTS |
| 20:57.50 | ascii | libavcodec -> ffmpeg mpeg2video encoder ?!!!, is there a simple alternative to creating svcds now, or a way to get this lib to work again? |
| 20:58.00 | MafProd | and it even works |
| 20:58.20 | MafProd | they just never told the helpdesk it exists though |
| 20:58.22 | enouf | cusco: but, you think that command should work? |
| 20:58.31 | cusco | braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:interactive-comments:monitor |
| 20:58.44 | enouf | normal |
| 20:58.45 | xingu | Sebboh: two seconds and google turns up readnotify.com |
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| 20:59.06 | mavhc | Sebboh: http://www.opentsa.org/ any use? |
| 21:00.08 | cusco | I used to be able to rename like taht |
| 21:00.36 | enouf | cusco: are you sure? when using debian? maybe it was a different rename, not prename |
| 21:00.46 | cusco | no |
| 21:00.49 | cusco | using debian Im sure |
| 21:00.54 | enouf | ok |
| 21:01.10 | enouf | cusco: i don't really know what's up with that - i'm not a big rename user, i use mv a lot .. and i'm not sure i could setup a test case atm |
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| 21:01.41 | xingu | cusco: maybe try "prename" |
| 21:01.43 | enouf | hrm.. my pastebin script is broke too :-/ |
| 21:01.50 | enouf | needs to fix that |
| 21:02.03 | cusco | enouf: touch lala.1 lala.2 lala.3 |
| 21:02.15 | cusco | rename lala lele lala.* |
| 21:02.24 | enouf | xingu: directly? his readlink -f `which rename` points to /usr/bin/prename |
| 21:02.24 | cusco | should be enough |
| 21:02.38 | cusco | xingu: I tried |
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| 21:02.47 | xingu | fair do. |
| 21:03.04 | xingu | enouf: in that case it's buggy and needs to be bts'd - the error is a perl error |
| 21:03.28 | enouf | cusco: wait, try this, update-alternatives --list rename |
| 21:03.29 | xingu | enouf: ie, one of the command line args isn't getting sterilised properly and is running foul of strict |
| 21:03.49 | enouf | xingu: righto .. you da perl guy - me sucketh at that ;-) |
| 21:03.55 | cusco | enouf: /usr/bin/prename |
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| 21:04.10 | enouf | cusco: ok, and which version is that? |
| 21:04.16 | xingu | hah, everything I know about perl has been shamelessly stolen from other people's code; at the point where it broke... |
| 21:04.17 | cusco | both stable and testing |
| 21:04.25 | stanlin | what is perl |
| 21:04.27 | enouf | xingu: i just don't know if it's supposed to even work, his example |
| 21:04.27 | Sebboh | MafProd, mavhc: I didn't see either of those sites when I was searching; I'll take a look now. Thanks! |
| 21:04.36 | xingu | stanlin: a perfectly eclectic rubbish lister |
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| 21:05.16 | xingu | enouf: neither do I, but I assume it did, once, and has been busted with a perl update somewhere along the way; personally I favour mmv for such antics - it's harder to blow your own feet off with it. |
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| 21:05.18 | enouf | i was thinking maybe cacert.org Sebboh , but i wasn't sure if even applicable |
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| 21:05.27 | abrotman | stanlin: msg me when you think you can behave |
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| 21:05.32 | debclair | hi everyone |
| 21:05.42 | enouf | xingu: i mentioned mmv up there somewhere ;-) |
| 21:05.46 | simonrvn | thank you.. was getting tired of that |
| 21:06.24 | enouf | cusco: i guess time to file a bug, but check BTS first - and /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 21:06.45 | enouf | cusco: then install and use mmv for now ;-) |
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| 21:07.19 | debclair | hi people, i've had problems installing j2sdk on my debian etch. I downloaded the bin files, but after running them, I have to set the variables and paths. I've done that in several different ways, but it still hasnt work. Mind giving me a hand? |
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| 21:09.55 | Sebboh | debclair: there is a sun java 6 sdk package in the debian repos now. (your mileage may vary.) |
| 21:10.27 | enouf | xingu: thanks for the 2nd opinion |
| 21:10.31 | debclair | yep, I know, but the thing is I dont have an internet connection at home, so I must do it without using apt |
| 21:10.42 | enouf | cusco: i tried your ex; it failed the same way |
| 21:10.43 | enouf | ~$ rename lala lele lala.* |
| 21:10.44 | enouf | Bareword "lala" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
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| 21:11.06 | hatter | do you know the switch with nmap to return the machine as well as ip address ? i am using nmap -sP 10.0.0.0/24 to do an internal scan |
| 21:11.26 | xingu | enouf: hey there's no scarcity over here :) |
| 21:11.33 | enouf | cusco: though lele seems out of place there |
| 21:11.34 | cusco | it used to work or maybe Im getting something wrong.. |
| 21:11.38 | cusco | oh well.. |
| 21:11.40 | cusco | thanks |
| 21:11.42 | Sebboh | hatter "machine"? what, hostname? |
| 21:11.52 | Trewas | enouf: maybe you should use the correct command line format with rename (the perl-version), which would be rename s/lala/lele/ llala.* |
| 21:12.03 | hatter | Sebboh, smb hostname |
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| 21:12.34 | Wanderer | Anyone know about mod_proxy_html for apache 1.3 in sarge? |
| 21:12.41 | Trewas | though it sounds retarded that alternatives are used with programs that have completely different command line options |
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| 21:12.58 | Sebboh | hatter, sorry, don't know. I'd start by grepping the man page for 'resolve' though. :) Good luck! |
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| 21:13.23 | debclair | Sebboh, dont you now how to do it without apt? |
| 21:13.42 | enouf | Trewas: i agree - i've been questioning his syntax a /few/ times now, ensuring he /had been/ using prename on debian when he said it /was/ working as per his example |
| 21:14.06 | debclair | good bye everyone |
| 21:14.12 | Sebboh | debclair: Since the "real" sun java 4, 5, and 6 jdks are in the repos now, I wouldn't think of using anything other than apt. |
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| 21:16.30 | enouf | cusco: hah, touch lala.1 lala.2 lala.3 lele && rename s/lala/lele/ lala.* && ls -l lele* |
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| 21:18.02 | Ace2016_ | whats currently going on in sid, its trying to take out my nvidia-glx package |
| 21:18.19 | enouf | new kernel? |
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| 21:18.58 | Trewas | btw rename gives the weird error because it directly uses eval with the regexp (the first parameter), there's no easy way to fix that without changing the script quite profoundly |
| 21:19.05 | Ace2016_ | xorg update tries to remove nvidia glx, nvidia glx dev |
| 21:19.29 | enouf | thinks of leeloo from "the fifth element" ;-) |
| 21:19.36 | simonrvn | conflict, apparently |
| 21:20.13 | enouf | Trewas: interesting ... |
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| 21:22.02 | chris_abyi | hi! I've got a small problem here: the gnome sessions manager (accessible via the toolbar) doesn't save the new settings I just typed in. I think that it most probably a problem of permissions - so does anyone know where the fitting file is stored? |
| 21:22.03 | Ace2016_ | lol i had experimental repos enabled |
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| 21:25.49 | Wyzard | ace2001ac: experimental stuff doesn't get installed unless you specifically request it, even if you have the repo enabled |
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| 21:27.27 | Sebboh | mavhc: opentsa should be of use, yes. Hum, site is dead for two years, but the openssl changelog says that it's been incorporated. ..but I don't seem to have any tsget command. |
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| 21:28.17 | chris_abyi | could anyone probably tell me where is the file with the startup-programs of my gnome session? |
| 21:29.47 | Sebboh | Oh! the opentsa stuff was added to openssl only recently.. like, in 0.9.9 .. I don't have that. :) Ok. |
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| 21:30.17 | Sebboh | (cause it's not released yet. ;P) |
| 21:30.38 | [biabia] | i see the netinstall allows you to select only the packages you want, but there are a lot of packages. can anyone tell me more about the selecting process |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | you select the package you want :) |
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| 21:32.41 | [biabia] | there are probably 2000 or more |
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| 21:33.12 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 21:35.21 | Sebboh | biabia, what I always do is start with 'nothing' (even then you have a working system, it has shells and such) and then I select specific applications for things I want to do, like, mc, the midnight commander. When I do that, everything that the mc depends on is also installed.. So then I have a working system that I can use the mc on. :) (and little else.) |
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| 21:37.58 | [biabia] | so i could benefit me to spend a while reading the available packages, make a list of those i want, and install anything else later as the need arises |
| 21:38.34 | abrotman | [biabia]: what is the purpose of the system? |
| 21:38.49 | [biabia] | home use, educational |
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| 21:39.39 | enouf | chriswk: |
| 21:39.39 | [biabia] | learning about linux, networking, system administration. maybe webserver and fileserver |
| 21:39.47 | enouf | sorry - mistab |
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| 21:42.43 | n-iCe | lenny is 5.0 and etc 4.0 or both 4.0 ? |
| 21:42.45 | enouf | Trewas: (thanks for chiming in earlier) |
| 21:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | [biabia], don't try to look through 2000 packages, though :) It's a very tiering way to learn what's available |
| 21:43.26 | DIFH-iceroot | ninjaslim: lenny 5.0 etch 4.0 |
| 21:43.29 | enouf | n-iCe: lenny is 5.0 and testing atm, Etch will always be 4.0rX and will always be that |
| 21:43.56 | enouf | etch is currently Stable, lenny will slide down into Stable slot soon .. |
| 21:44.04 | zophy{} | is there a debian project to provide support to legacy winxp installations ? |
| 21:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | [biabia], just try to think of the things you want or need and try to find if there is some software package that does it for you |
| 21:44.05 | Sebboh | [biabia]: one good way to learn a lot of stuff is to have some specific goal, then try and meet it. For example, maybe you want to listen to mp3s from upstairs in your living room. So then you have to ask youself, what do I need to do that? And so on from there. :) |
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| 21:44.38 | AnonymousOne | how do I completely uninstall a package and completely reinstall it |
| 21:44.41 | enouf | zophy{}: er, winxp implies no legacy? |
| 21:44.48 | AnonymousOne | for some reason when it reinstalls it isnt adding the files |
| 21:45.00 | enouf | zophy{}: what is it you want to do exactly? |
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| 21:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | AnonymousOne, apt-get --purge package uninstalls it and removes the configuration |
| 21:45.16 | enouf | AnonymousOne: try /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:45.17 | [biabia] | CutMeOwnThroat and Sebboh ok thanks. yeah that sounds like a smart approach |
| 21:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | [biabia], if it's educational... there is... lemme check |
| 21:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, forgot the name |
| 21:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
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| 21:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird - I only find this now http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu#head-25ca378edaa3172cef62889b7d7b5e5c2915750b |
| 21:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | which more looks like a different distribution |
| 21:47.51 | Sebboh | [biabia]: you might benefit from the tag system. Packages are labled with tags.. Uhm.. Can someone tell him how to see those, and browse the repos from a tag poing of view? I don't actually know myself, I just use apt-cache search. :) |
| 21:48.01 | [biabia] | is iceweasel the debian version of firefox |
| 21:48.10 | a[u]stin | [biabia]: yes |
| 21:48.46 | Sebboh | [biabia]: yeah. the "firefox" name and images aren't free... The whole thing is kinda silly to me. :) |
| 21:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | [biabia], it was renamed for licensing reasons... |
| 21:49.47 | a[u]stin | i hate licensing :( |
| 21:50.16 | [biabia] | wasnt firefox originally designed to be a free alternative to ie |
| 21:50.26 | enouf | !iceweasel |
| 21:50.27 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 21:50.49 | enouf | ask dpkg in pm please |
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| 21:54.05 | Ian_Daniher | what's regex for tab? |
| 21:54.14 | Ian_Daniher | I'm trying to convert spaces to tabs in nano |
| 21:54.22 | Ian_Daniher | \t doesn't seem to be working |
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| 21:55.28 | chad | does anyone know how to get the package libltdl3 to install in 8.10? the package seems to be orphaned and i cant find the package that replaced it |
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| 21:55.47 | Wyzard | chad: #ubuntu |
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| 21:56.11 | chad | Wyzard: basically useless .. just spreading the question out to try to get an answer |
| 21:56.24 | enouf | Ian_Daniher: man ascii ? |
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| 21:56.49 | enouf | and/or man console_codes |
| 21:56.59 | sini | I'm having trouble getting DRI with the open source ATI radeon driver. I had it working under gentoo and xorg 1.5, latest radeon build but I can't seem to diagnose why it's not working... r516 is the chipset. :| |
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| 21:57.29 | enouf | sini: 1.5 eh? |
| 21:57.36 | gener1c | !tspc |
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| 21:57.42 | enouf | judd: versions xorg |
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| 21:57.43 | judd | enouf: xorg: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch) 1:7.3+18 (lenny) 1:7.3+18 (sid) 1:7.4~4 (experimental) |
| 21:57.48 | gener1c | ....... |
| 21:57.56 | gener1c | omfg |
| 21:57.58 | Wyzard | chad: Ubuntu isn't supported here though |
| 21:58.00 | gener1c | i am in debian overflow |
| 21:58.02 | gener1c | >> |
| 21:58.04 | sini | it's not two versions, 7.4 == 1.5 |
| 21:58.14 | gener1c | i am using the tspc client to get on ipv6 |
| 21:58.24 | gener1c | and it worked before this reboot |
| 21:58.26 | gener1c | now it doesnt |
| 21:58.27 | enouf | sini: you see where 7.4 is?? |
| 21:58.28 | gener1c | i run it no errors |
| 21:58.31 | gener1c | i check ifconfig |
| 21:58.36 | gener1c | and the interface isnt up |
| 21:58.54 | enouf | sini: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/git-usage |
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| 21:59.11 | sini | enouf: yeah, but I don't think that the server should be the breakage point and i've never installed anything from experimental |
| 21:59.19 | enouf | sini: also visit #radeon |
| 21:59.31 | sini | enouf: guess I'll go ask there thanks :P |
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| 22:00.05 | gener1c | the day will come when companies will start making games for purely linux! |
| 22:00.44 | enouf | gener1c: lsmod | grep ipv6 ? |
| 22:00.54 | gener1c | ok |
| 22:01.04 | enouf | gener1c: ls /sys/class/net isn;t sit0 ipv6 related? |
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| 22:01.26 | gener1c | sit0 or tun |
| 22:01.38 | gener1c | those 2 are the devices emulated in ifconfig |
| 22:01.41 | gener1c | usually |
| 22:01.54 | gener1c | ipv6 235300 16 |
| 22:01.58 | gener1c | what does that mean!?@ |
| 22:01.58 | enouf | i see .. situational interface tunnel? |
| 22:02.04 | gener1c | yeah |
| 22:02.09 | gener1c | not an actuall device |
| 22:02.22 | gener1c | its a tunnle using ipv4 |
| 22:02.34 | gener1c | connecting me to a provider for ipv6 |
| 22:02.58 | enouf | so, is ipv4 being forwarded? check your /etc/sysctl.conf and use sysctl -a | grep <keyword> to query |
| 22:03.24 | gener1c | i think its the other way around |
| 22:03.39 | gener1c | because this tunnel is allowing me to use ipv6 |
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| 22:03.46 | enouf | gener1c: try ##networking or something, i suck at it generally - and ipv6 and wifi give me hives |
| 22:03.50 | gener1c | then wont that mean that ipv6 is the one forwarded? |
| 22:04.00 | gener1c | ah thank you :D |
| 22:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, \t is correct, though - you can also get literal Tab-characters by typing Ctrl-v-Tab |
| 22:04.30 | gener1c | much respect |
| 22:04.34 | gener1c | enouf, |
| 22:04.45 | Ian_Daniher | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 22:05.29 | rambo3 | !fstab > enouf |
| 22:05.29 | dpkg | stabs > enouf with a huge 'F'. Go 'F' yourself, > enouf |
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| 22:06.00 | KNRO | Hi, any packagers around, I'm having a touch time with building some package and need some help. |
| 22:06.26 | KNRO | err touch/tough |
| 22:06.27 | rambo3 | !info aspell |
| 22:06.35 | gener1c | lol |
| 22:06.49 | dpkg | aspell: (GNU Aspell spell-checker), section text, is optional. Version: 0.60.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 283 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
| 22:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems like the start of a new stab-in-the-back legend featuring enouf and rambo3 |
| 22:06.55 | KNRO | aspell wouldn't have caught that :P |
| 22:07.41 | rambo3 | CutMeOwnThroat, that was just a test. enouf was a uknown victim |
| 22:07.46 | enouf | !shoot rambo3 |
| 22:07.46 | dpkg | blows rambo3 away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 22:07.58 | tarzeau | !eat enouf |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | eats enouf, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 22:08.02 | enouf | that wasn't just a test ;-) |
| 22:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 22:08.34 | abrotman | KNRO: need more info |
| 22:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | KNRO, as anyone else - you won't be answered by anyone until you asked the question... nobody's gonna say "I know everything" |
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| 22:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... except abrotman |
| 22:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm off anyways, laters |
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| 22:11.47 | mikeX | hello, I'm having a weird problem with 2.6.21-1-amd64 in sid, http://www.pastebin.ca/1237267 |
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| 22:12.45 | enouf | mikeX: might try a sid kernel, no? |
| 22:12.46 | mikeX | the bad: scheduling from idle thread! message along with a small call trace keeps repeating itself, and my logs fill up to a few hundred megabytes within a minute or so |
| 22:12.56 | mikeX | enouf: sorry, 2.6.26 |
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| 22:13.16 | enouf | mikeX: did you build it? |
| 22:13.21 | mikeX | nope |
| 22:14.06 | mikeX | Version: 2.6.26-9 |
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| 22:14.22 | mikeX | latest sid package |
| 22:14.27 | mikeX | also happened with -6 |
| 22:14.36 | enouf | mikeX: try #debian-amd64 |
| 22:14.37 | Muzer | For a minimal etch-based distribution, which login manager would you recommend? |
| 22:14.41 | Muzer | xdm wouldn't work for me |
| 22:14.49 | Muzer | and gdm and kdm are not light enough |
| 22:15.00 | enouf | !DM |
| 22:15.00 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 22:15.35 | Muzer | so, which one of those is lightweight? |
| 22:15.42 | Muzer | !wdn |
| 22:15.44 | MatBoy | is it not possible to install php4 next to php5 on debian using apt-get ? |
| 22:15.44 | Muzer | !wdm |
| 22:15.44 | dpkg | wdm is probably at http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ (xdm replacement) or to install, apt-get install wdm |
| 22:15.45 | enouf | Muzer: how about none, use an .xinitrc, or .xsession file |
| 22:16.18 | Muzer | enouf: Yeah, I could do that. What would that mean, that you don't log in? |
| 22:17.36 | enouf | Muzer: well, you can set it up to autologin |
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| 22:17.50 | enouf | !autologin |
| 22:17.51 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
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| 22:18.03 | enouf | oh hehe ;-P |
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| 22:18.09 | Muzer | but if I just added a script to /etc/rc.whatever and /etc/init.d and use no wms whatsoever# |
| 22:18.19 | Muzer | would that have the same effect of not logging in? |
| 22:18.33 | enouf | i think you'd want a WM, just not a DM |
| 22:18.46 | Muzer | sorry |
| 22:18.48 | Muzer | no dms |
| 22:18.49 | Muzer | yeah |
| 22:18.55 | Muzer | getting terminology muddled up |
| 22:19.20 | enouf | well, you'd login to your shell, then startx, or startxfce4 or start-fluxbox or whatever it is |
| 22:19.54 | Muzer | I've somehow managed to make a my_startx script (someone in ##linux helped me do that) that boots X with openbox, could I just copy that into /etc/init.d and /etc/rc2.d or something and then it would start it on boot without logging in? |
| 22:19.58 | enouf | but you could setup you .xession to auto start many things including your WM |
| 22:20.07 | enouf | so you just type startx |
| 22:20.47 | Muzer | It would be better to have either a dm or nothing at all, just auto-booting of openbox |
| 22:20.57 | enouf | Muzer: you'd source that from either .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 22:21.05 | Muzer | so which dm is the most lightweight that isn't xdm? |
| 22:21.08 | enouf | or .. exec it .. |
| 22:21.18 | Muzer | that is available for etch as a deb |
| 22:21.37 | enouf | thats all the DMs i know (in the factoid) |
| 22:21.41 | enouf | there might be others |
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| 22:22.49 | mutable_malachi | How can I find out in what package a particular file exists? |
| 22:22.58 | dmoerner | mutable_malachi, dpkg -S file |
| 22:23.02 | mutable_malachi | dmoerner: danke. |
| 22:23.03 | dmoerner | or if it's not installed, apt-file search file |
| 22:23.19 | Muzer | actually, I've figured out why it's not working! |
| 22:23.27 | koan | Muzer: you could also look at slim |
| 22:23.30 | Muzer | I somehow managed to break glibc |
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| 22:34.41 | Zambezi | I had to reinstall and the sound is disabled and I know I killed/stopped a module or something once last time and then it worked, but I can't remember which. I have a note with "/etc/asound.conf" but I don't find anything which seems familiar. Lenny with SB Live (PCI), onboard is disabled in BIOS. |
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| 22:40.56 | Zambezi | I think I remember now. I think I ran alsaconf and that killed a process. In other way feel free to help cause in this case, sound is really important. |
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| 22:41.42 | keith_ | where do I set proxy settings for epiphany? |
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| 22:42.26 | spldart | I've installed lenny on an old Dell P4 machine for some of the kids. Problem is I've got no sound for any login but the original I created. The other users login and the speaker icon in the taskbar has a little red X. When you click on it you get the message " No volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found." Any help on how to give the other users sound? |
| 22:42.45 | keith_ | put them in the audio group |
| 22:42.55 | spldart | How would I go about that? |
| 22:43.04 | keith_ | look at /etc/group |
| 22:43.10 | spldart | okidoki |
| 22:44.11 | spldart | ok how do I space out the users under the audio category? comas? |
| 22:44.14 | spldart | any spaces? |
| 22:44.21 | keith_ | commas |
| 22:44.27 | keith_ | no spaces |
| 22:44.35 | spldart | ok thanks.. I'll give it a whirl |
| 22:45.21 | et | spldart: you don't have to edit that file |
| 22:45.30 | et | adduser youruser audio |
| 22:45.36 | et | do that for every user |
| 22:45.40 | spldart | IC |
| 22:45.47 | spldart | But both ways work? |
| 22:45.51 | keith_ | well, that works too |
| 22:46.19 | et | yes, the file-editing way just allows you to break your system ;) |
| 22:46.25 | spldart | I'm no stranger to config files so I'll go about it this way :) |
| 22:46.43 | spldart | Just not used to the differences and apps for lenny and for multi user linux |
| 22:47.32 | spldart | tested and it works! Thanks alot guys |
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| 22:56.11 | Triskel | !seen meka |
| 22:56.11 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'meka', Triskel |
| 22:56.13 | Triskel | !seen meka* |
| 22:56.13 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'meka*', Triskel |
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| 22:58.27 | zeld | hi all |
| 22:58.54 | zeld | i've a prolem with s2ram |
| 22:59.11 | zeld | if i use s2ram ar root it work |
| 22:59.18 | zeld | if i try as user not work |
| 22:59.25 | zeld | where is the problem? |
| 22:59.29 | zeld | is a permission? |
| 22:59.32 | zeld | how i can solve? |
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| 23:04.13 | vbgunz | can anyone please tell me, how I can get pass apt-gets "Couldn't find package" error? I would love a list of missing packages but this doesn't work... sudo apt-get -fms --ignore-missing install kde-window-manager apache2-prefork-dev basket ... it always stops dead at kde-window-manager... awesome, how can I just ignore it? |
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| 23:05.11 | vbgunz | I have a huge number of packages I am trying to go through. I would like to know what is missing and what isn't... why does apt-get insist on just stopping dead like this? |
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| 23:10.31 | keith_ | !tell vbgunz about search |
| 23:10.54 | adnc | is there a documentation how to go through a directory and delete all content below subdirectories named "mydir". ? |
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| 23:14.51 | PeterFA | I have a server that insists on always giving out 255.255.255.255 for a netmask on as many interfaces as it can, route table entries, and OpenVPN clients and for tun0. I don't know why this is happening. |
| 23:14.56 | PeterFA | It's an Etch system. |
| 23:15.14 | vbgunz | lets hope apt-file is the godsend app I need |
| 23:15.15 | PeterFA | Sometimes, I manage to get away with is. |
| 23:15.23 | PeterFA | I mean... |
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| 23:15.33 | PeterFA | It sometimes sets the right netmask. |
| 23:15.45 | PeterFA | But usually it's something retarded like /32 |
| 23:15.51 | jpinx | Anyone had any experience of installing the skype deb package from their website? |
| 23:16.18 | jpinx | how do I get it to apt-get install ? |
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| 23:16.48 | PeterFA | dpkg |
| 23:16.59 | Muzer | yeah |
| 23:17.04 | Muzer | dpkg -i *filename* |
| 23:17.04 | dpkg | removes a kidney from muzer and replaces it with *filename* |
| 23:17.10 | Muzer | lol |
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| 23:17.28 | Muzer | dpkg -i a_penis |
| 23:17.28 | dpkg | removes a liver from muzer and replaces it with a_penis |
| 23:17.34 | Muzer | he he he |
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| 23:18.44 | keith_ | vbgunz: the only package called "kde-window-manager" is in experimental |
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| 23:18.50 | keith_ | you probably just want "kde" |
| 23:19.27 | keith_ | which you can easily find out, by reading what dpkg told you |
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| 23:20.00 | themill | !install kde |
| 23:20.00 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 23:22.35 | Kobaz | hmmmm |
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| 23:23.05 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:23.06 | Kobaz | how exactly do you run openoffice3... i can't find any of the binaries.... they don't seem to use the ooffice.bin etc type files anymore |
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| 23:29.26 | meoblast001 | does CD1 have all of Gnome and X? |
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| 23:35.39 | SJrX | How can i find out if the debian team has manhandled the samba packages at all? |
| 23:35.58 | erawfish | get the source package and check its content |
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| 23:36.30 | SJrX | Is there any problem with insatlling stuff outside the debian repository? |
| 23:36.38 | erawfish | yes. lots |
| 23:36.50 | stoned | possibly |
| 23:36.56 | themill | usually |
| 23:36.59 | stoned | !wayttd |
| 23:36.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 23:37.27 | enouf | what the f is with all these drive-by postings? |
| 23:37.36 | SJrX | I'm having a problem with Samba 3.2 on my debian/sid box. It seems to be randomly stop transfers for 10-15 seconds. Now someone in #samba, also mentioned he'd had this problem and he was on debian. And the mailing list post I found mentions debian |
| 23:37.54 | SJrX | So I suspect that it might not actually be a bug in samba 3.2, but the debian version. |
| 23:38.11 | SJrX | I can't go back to samba 3.0, since all the dependancies have changed and libldap2 is no longer available or compatible in some stupid way |
| 23:38.28 | SJrX | Atleast I can't go back via apt |
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| 23:40.32 | themill | SJrX: you can look at the source yourself: apt-get source samba ; lsdiff -z samba_3.2.4-1.diff.gz ; but you'll see that the actual number of changes is minimal and that they are all safe-looking. |
| 23:40.42 | SJrX | hmmmmm |
| 23:40.48 | SJrX | alright I'll take your word for that. |
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| 23:41.04 | SJrX | Hmmm another question, why when I do a dist-upgrade does it nuke packages I installed manually |
| 23:41.15 | SJrX | That don't seem to have conflicts |
| 23:41.17 | themill | meaning? |
| 23:41.38 | SJrX | I installed the ubuntu version of zarafa and it was fine. I did a dist-upgrade, then all of a sudden it was gone no longer installed |
| 23:42.30 | SJrX | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 23:42.30 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.37 | SJrX | I don't see why it has to do that |
| 23:42.43 | themill | SJrX: sticking ubuntu packages directly into a debian machine is a very bad idea. It was probably uninstalled because of a conflict in the version of a dependency that was being upgraded. |
| 23:42.46 | scorch | my debian computer keeps using dhcp although I've configured a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:43.09 | SJrX | themill the only difference as far as I can tell, is the stupid libldap2 problem which seems to have broken almost every debian package out there |
| 23:43.12 | themill | scorch: is dhclient still running? |
| 23:43.22 | SJrX | The package no longer being there, but being provided by other things. |
| 23:43.35 | SJrX | zarafa ubuntu works fine, which doesn't have the dependancy, zarafa-debian won't install because of it. |
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| 23:43.54 | SJrX | And in generally, isn't it 'safe' to install end packages? |
| 23:44.22 | SJrX | I wouldn't go about installing the ubuntu libc for instance, but I would think the atomic program that doesn't introduce any libraries would be alot less problematic |
| 23:44.24 | themill | SJrX: only if they are designed for the release that you are using. Debian != ubuntu; etch != lenny != sid. |
| 23:44.43 | SJrX | The package is designed for ubuntu and debian |
| 23:44.51 | SJrX | atleast it worns me that I have to be using one of the two |
| 23:44.54 | SJrX | but not debian/sid |
| 23:44.59 | themill | indeed |
| 23:45.13 | SJrX | but the debian package just won't install |
| 23:45.29 | SJrX | and as I said before I think it's safe as it's simply an end atomic package. Nothing will ever depend on them. |
| 23:45.36 | themill | SJrX: etch != sid |
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| 23:45.42 | SJrX | Yes |
| 23:45.44 | SJrX | I know |
| 23:45.44 | enouf | ... |
| 23:45.48 | scorch | themill: it was. Shut it down and ran "/etc/init.d/networking restart", but it still uses the ip that it got from dhclient and not the one I've specified |
| 23:46.04 | enouf | a stale lease? |
| 23:46.24 | ArtificialSynaps | Hello, does anyone know a good client to monitor syslog files with that isn't syslog-ng? |
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| 23:46.28 | SJrX | that's not my question, nor am I whining that debian is broken, nor am I saying that debian is horrible. |
| 23:46.44 | SJrX | I am aware that at times my debian installation will break |
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| 23:47.04 | SJrX | And it has many times in the past |
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| 23:48.27 | spifff | hi... i'm having some problems with a disk that I use for raid which used to have different raid volumes on it; for some reason the kernel seems to still be able to find some remnants of old superblocks during boot. mdadm --examine doesn't seem to see them though, so i'm not quite sure how to get rid of them? |
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| 23:49.00 | themill | SJrX: their packages depend on "libvmime0 (<< 0.8.0)". Check out what version is in sid and rethink your assertion that the package designed for etch should be suitable for sid. |
| 23:49.34 | spifff | arg lol they ended up in mdadm.conf somehow |
| 23:49.45 | SJrX | themill you mean the zarafa ones |
| 23:50.08 | enouf | scorch: try this; run the /etc/init.d/ifdown script first maybe |
| 23:50.09 | themill | SJrX: yes |
| 23:50.15 | mseney | anyone update etch today and have any issues when issuing $clamscan filename in that it hangs forever and consumes 100% CPU with no result |
| 23:50.23 | SJrX | what's the dpkg command to check dependancies? |
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| 23:50.43 | themill | SJrX: I use mc to poke around inside the debs. |
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| 23:51.07 | enouf | spifff: so zero the superblock on it, if that's the goal |
| 23:51.08 | SJrX | midnight commander? |
| 23:51.16 | SJrX | hmmm well it seems to be worknig themill |
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| 23:51.26 | scorch | enouf: no sufh file or directory |
| 23:51.30 | scorch | such* |
| 23:51.35 | SJrX | And it installs with no complains |
| 23:51.42 | enouf | ~$ ls /etc/init.d/ifupdown |
| 23:51.42 | enouf | ifupdown ifupdown-clean |
| 23:51.42 | themill | SJrX: then tell them they can relax their dependencies then |
| 23:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | scorch, or uninstall the dhcp client :) |
| 23:51.46 | spifff | enouf, hm turns out /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf had _only_ the old arrays in it, not the new one... but the kernel brought it up anyway |
| 23:51.53 | SJrX | though maybe that's why third party emails in outlook appear like crap. |
| 23:52.05 | SJrX | hmmmm |
| 23:52.26 | scorch | CutMeOwnThroat: think I removed it a while ago but forgot to shut it down, because I don't have it installed now anyway |
| 23:52.38 | enouf | spifff: depending if you wanted it to come up on boot, see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 23:52.40 | SJrX | Actually right now themill libvmime0 is being held back in a dist-upgrade |
| 23:52.57 | SJrX | actually libvmime0 is the problem it looks like |
| 23:53.05 | SJrX | how can I check which version of libvmime0 I have installed concurrently |
| 23:53.06 | spifff | enouf, so it's the initrd that brings them up via mdadm, or does the kernel module do 'magic'? |
| 23:53.15 | spifff | (i have root on lvm / raid) |
| 23:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | concurrently? |
| 23:53.25 | enouf | spifff: but my point was, if now, you're using the disk for something else, zero it, before mkfs on it, or adding to another array |
| 23:53.43 | themill | SJrX: apt-cache. BTW why are you using sid if you don't know how to check such things? These things are generally considered prerequsite knowledge before people use sid. |
| 23:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | SJrX, dpkg -l packagename shows you the current version; apt-cache show packagename shows you "all available" versions, which includes the installed one IIRC |
| 23:54.06 | enouf | spifff: if it boots with / on raid/lvm, it's the initrd |
| 23:54.19 | enouf | that loads the modules needed |
| 23:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, perhaps he wants to learn them ;) |
| 23:54.29 | spifff | enouf, ah ok. thanks! |
| 23:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | "learning by breaking" |
| 23:54.42 | enouf | but that has nothing to do with what you described :-P |
| 23:54.44 | SJrX | themill because a few years ago when I was more involved with this stuff, I knew most of this. Also it was the only way around it. The box has survived 6 years now on a single install and is working mostly perfectly save a few bumps. |
| 23:54.58 | SJrX | Ah 0.7.1-22 |
| 23:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | scorch, sounds quite strange - of course the dhcp client can keep running when the binary is gone - but I'd think normally it's stopped by one of the uninstall scripts |
| 23:55.28 | themill | judd versions libvmime0 |
| 23:55.29 | judd | themill: libvmime0: 0.8.0+cvs20061009-1 (etch) 0.8.1-3 (lenny) 0.8.1-3 (sid) |
| 23:55.32 | PeterFA | Why would a computer always try to specify /32 for netmasks any chance it can? |
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| 23:55.40 | SJrX | If every 17 months or so I have to come here, it's not a big enough issue for me to reformat and put something else on |
| 23:55.46 | scorch | themill, enouf, CutMeOwnThroat: oh well, shut down dhclient and resetted the ip manually; hopefully it'll stay that way |
| 23:55.47 | themill | SJrX: that's a package left over from a *long* time ago. Pre-etch. |
| 23:55.49 | scorch | thanks |
| 23:56.00 | PeterFA | Where does this number keep coming from? I do route add 0.0.0.0 gw 10.0.0.1 and route table shows genmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 23:56.07 | SJrX | could be, I think this box was originally 3.0 |
| 23:56.14 | SJrX | and it's gone up from there |
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| 23:56.18 | spifff | enouf, i think the problem was that the old arrays were in mdadm.conf... i'll see if it goes away now |
| 23:56.28 | SJrX | Besides I'd rather up-to-date packages and problems then old packages and none. |
| 23:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, Moses brought that number down from a hill as a message of God.... now seriously, I suspect it was hardcoded somewhere... I also wondered the same before :) |
| 23:57.22 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, well this is totally unusual. I never get this behavior on any other machine. |
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| 23:58.16 | PeterFA | Normally route can get the correct netmask no-sweat. |
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| 23:59.40 | jpinx | Hola amiga mia |
| 23:59.44 | jpinx | como estas? |
