| 00:00.01 | enouf | hola senorina! |
| 00:00.10 | enouf | !es |
| 00:00.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:00.20 | jpinx | Ooops - wrong window hahaha |
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| 00:00.43 | PeterFA | jpinx, no, "jajaja" |
| 00:00.56 | enouf | spifff: yeah, since that's the system-wide config file, you generally want that to contain correct info :-P |
| 00:00.57 | jpinx | I can do english as well ;) |
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| 00:01.37 | enouf | PeterFA: is the iproute pkg installed? |
| 00:01.51 | PeterFA | enouf, I don't know... what effect would that have? |
| 00:02.02 | mint | hi |
| 00:02.03 | PeterFA | This is Etch, fyi. |
| 00:02.12 | enouf | PeterFA: well also - are you not specifying default gw? |
| 00:02.31 | PeterFA | enouf, yeah: route add 0.0.0.0 gw 10.0.0.1 |
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| 00:03.12 | spifff | enouf, yes similar to fstab... i had a typo in a non-root fs device so the bootup stopped when trying to fsck it... good thing i have a serial console on this thing |
| 00:03.18 | PeterFA | enouf, what are all the places route and ifconfig can guess or fetch a netmask? |
| 00:03.18 | Tramp | PeterFA: route without "-net" probably assumes "-host" and 0.0.0.0 probably should be "default" |
| 00:03.22 | enouf | PeterFA: there are config files for routes, you can create or are there .. huh? where's default in your command? and what about a 'dev ethX'? |
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| 00:03.31 | enouf | in /etc/ |
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| 00:03.51 | PeterFA | Tramp, yeah, route shows "default" which is what I want, but the netmask it gets is /32 when it should be /0 |
| 00:04.25 | PeterFA | enouf, you type "default" instead of 0.0.0.0? |
| 00:04.37 | enouf | PeterFA: /etc/iproute2/ |
| 00:04.37 | enouf | ematch_map rt_dsfield rt_protos rt_realms rt_scopes rt_tables |
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| 00:04.50 | Tramp | PeterFA: just read what I wrote. Use default and set netroutes |
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| 00:05.53 | enouf | Genmask |
| 00:05.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.12 | PeterFA | That's it, my understanding is insufficient. |
| 00:06.35 | PeterFA | enouf, where did that come from, the man page? |
| 00:06.40 | enouf | yep |
| 00:07.08 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 00:07.21 | PeterFA | that explains that... just incorrect usage of ifconfig |
| 00:07.28 | Tramp | PeterFA: yes. |
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| 00:07.41 | Tramp | and of route |
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| 00:08.07 | enouf | spifff: what number occupies the 6th field for your non-root FS that was hanging? |
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| 00:08.20 | spifff | enouf, it was 2, i made it 0 now |
| 00:08.31 | mseney | fixed my clamscan problems. had to wipe /var/log/clamav and /var/lib/clamav, completely remove the clamav packages and re-install them, ran freshclam and now it's working fine |
| 00:08.43 | PeterFA | Thanks, Tramp and enouf. |
| 00:08.53 | enouf | well, ok - 2 should've been fine, maybe take a while to time out, due to typo .. hrm .. |
| 00:09.01 | spifff | enouf, it wasn't hanging as such, just giving me the option to repair or ctrl-d to continue on the (serial) console |
| 00:09.10 | enouf | ok |
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| 00:09.42 | spifff | enouf, it's a little NAS appliance, so normally i wouldnt even have the console hooked up |
| 00:10.14 | meeero | i've got an issue here i can't resolve. there seems to be a connection problem of some weird kind here. i've got a ftp-server up and running, which worked fine until i restarted that system recently, since then i'm getting error-messages from ftp-clients, saying `ftp: bind: Address already in use` when connecting using active mode. but i am positive that nothing is blocking that port 21, even when changing to another port i'm getting |
| 00:10.14 | meeero | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.28 | meeero | any suggestions where to start? i really ran out of ideas |
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| 00:10.59 | enouf | oh, i love those component extenders running raid/lvm which hang off these small NAS things, which hang off something else ;-) |
| 00:11.58 | enouf | awaits an affordable PCIe bus component connector :-P |
| 00:11.58 | spifff | hehe |
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| 00:12.44 | enouf | like a friggin video cable or something - like firewire was, but blazing directly to/from the NB/CPU/RAM |
| 00:12.58 | acidslep | lol that would be sweet |
| 00:14.28 | Wyzard | I'm surprised we haven't seen external GPUs yet |
| 00:14.48 | Wyzard | big beefy multi-core GPU boxes with their own cooling system and a PCIe cable going back into the computer |
| 00:15.16 | meeero | *any* ideas at least..? i'm really gonna lose it |
| 00:15.21 | cafuego | Wyzard: They've existed for ages. But they cost far too much for home use. |
| 00:15.26 | acidslep | woah that would be sweet |
| 00:15.30 | acidslep | oh :( |
| 00:15.43 | enouf | they make em, they're not cheap, and require other hardware made to accept them - i think CRAY uses them |
| 00:15.44 | Wyzard | cafuego: I mean for PCs, for the gamer market |
| 00:15.56 | cafuego | Wyzard: For retards? Meh, no. |
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| 00:16.04 | acidslep | chill |
| 00:16.13 | flam | öyvöy |
| 00:16.17 | flam | sorry |
| 00:16.29 | acidslep | Wyzard: thats a great idea, i think the market potential would be high. so why havent they? |
| 00:16.36 | cafuego | Wyzard: AIGLX ftw |
| 00:16.43 | Wyzard | dunno |
| 00:16.52 | EmleyMoor | PCs that will operate with no GPU and assume serial console would be good for some applications |
| 00:16.54 | enouf | http://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie_superswitch.html |
| 00:17.05 | Wyzard | I heard that one of the new things in PCIe 2.0 was a standard for cables for external devices, or something to that effect |
| 00:17.09 | cafuego | A case with 8 GPUs living in mineral oil, speaking to desktop box via fibre |
| 00:17.22 | Wyzard | but that's relatively recent, so maybe it just hasn't been enough time |
| 00:18.02 | spifff | Wyzard, maximum cable length 30cm? |
| 00:18.28 | Wyzard | hmm, it's really that short? |
| 00:18.38 | spifff | not sure... i just remember old external scsi cables ;) |
| 00:18.49 | Wyzard | Still, that'd be enough for a box sitting next to the PC case |
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| 00:19.15 | spifff | would be neat to have the cpu/gpu power sitting in a closet somewhere and use it from all machines in the house |
| 00:19.25 | enouf | heh http://www.advantech.com/products/Dual-Socket-604-Intel-Xeon-LV-Xeon-Processor-Card-with-PCIExpress-IPMI-VGA-Dual-GbE-LAN/mod_1-2JKN3S.aspx |
| 00:19.31 | acidslep | spifff: done alot |
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| 00:20.54 | acidslep | enouf: whats the point of those? |
| 00:21.08 | acidslep | link together with that product from earlier? |
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| 00:21.12 | enouf | to get your juices flowing :-p |
| 00:21.17 | acidslep | oh hehe |
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| 00:21.42 | sdx | i have a directory index with images how can i get them all with wget? |
| 00:22.34 | JordiGH | Hrm. Stupid DST. Debian now thinks it's one hour earlier than it should be. |
| 00:22.42 | JordiGH | What UTC is it right now? |
| 00:22.43 | spifff | hm 90% cpu usage when copying straight from one disk to another |
| 00:22.50 | EmleyMoor | 0:22 |
| 00:22.55 | JordiGH | !! |
| 00:22.55 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:23.00 | JordiGH | Why is my UTC wrong, then? |
| 00:23.15 | JordiGH | My UTC says it's 23:23. And I'm using NTP. |
| 00:23.25 | JordiGH | I wonder if I'm using the wrong NTP server... |
| 00:23.30 | Sling | /etc/timezone correct? |
| 00:23.43 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's fine. My UTC isn't, though. It's off by one hour. |
| 00:23.54 | NathanZZz | simple question. can somone point me to a how to or a wiki for setting up a file share between debian boxes ive one server with a scsi raid aray that currently is using samba to share to windows boxes but i need to share to other debian boxes on the lan also i'm entirly console based on the deb boxes.. |
| 00:24.07 | enouf | amd64 torrenza was supposed to bring the tech to the forefront for consumers |
| 00:24.57 | spifff | NathanZZz, you can just mount an smb share with mount -t smbfs our smbmount |
| 00:25.00 | JordiGH | How do I tell NTP to synchrnoise now? |
| 00:25.21 | spifff | NathanZZz, or share via NFS for linux clients |
| 00:25.32 | EmleyMoor | JordiGH: ntpdate? |
| 00:26.14 | NathanZZz | so for instance the command would look like mount -t smbfs <the ip of the samba server?> |
| 00:26.15 | unop | JordiGH, ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 00:26.29 | JordiGH | Hrm, strange. Why is that not available? |
| 00:26.38 | enouf | Wyzard: http://www.onestopsystems.com/HIB5.html ;-) |
| 00:26.57 | NathanZZz | and side note is there any reason to go with nfs insted of samba? for the linux clients? |
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| 00:27.05 | JordiGH | installs it. |
| 00:27.08 | Wyzard | enouf: cool :-) |
| 00:27.31 | Wyzard | enouf: looks like the ports are x4 each, so you'd need four cables to connect the hypothetical external GPU |
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| 00:28.01 | Wyzard | hmm, except the card's connection to the motherboard is x8... how does it provide four x4 ports? |
| 00:28.03 | enouf | i know, host is x8 only |
| 00:28.34 | meeero | seriously, i might have to assume that this is some bug in debian packages |
| 00:28.42 | enouf | and, likely 1.0 spec? |
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| 00:29.06 | meeero | before that restard i did apt-upgrade, restarted .... and since then this error occured. i'm positive, nothing is blocking the port |
| 00:29.14 | meeero | t |
| 00:30.49 | unop | on the topic of daylight saving time. Does anyone else have trouble with evolution having appointments an hour ahead? |
| 00:31.59 | spifff | NathanZZz, have a look at man mount.cifs and mount.smbfs generally cifs is newer and better |
| 00:32.24 | spifff | NathanZZz, nfs supports file permissions and stuff like that properly |
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| 00:34.25 | NathanZZz | thanks spifff |
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| 00:36.09 | SamWeasley | Hi! |
| 00:36.25 | SamWeasley | Someone knows how I could install mencoder on Debian Lenny |
| 00:36.37 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrenza |
| 00:36.37 | SamWeasley | I think it didn't was on main repo |
| 00:36.54 | enouf | SamWeasley: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 00:37.02 | enouf | SamWeasley: /msg dpkg dmme for etch |
| 00:37.16 | enouf | oh, duh - you said lenny |
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| 00:39.31 | JordiGH | Well, that's odd. Restarting the ntp server fixed my clock. How often does it synchronise normally? |
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| 00:43.38 | SamWeasley | enouf: thx |
| 00:43.54 | SamWeasley | My note gone AWOL and lost my / |
| 00:44.01 | SamWeasley | and now I'm reconfiguring it |
| 00:44.29 | enouf | np |
| 00:44.31 | d-b | JordiGH: often enough. |
| 00:44.33 | SamWeasley | My ~ also almost had gone when I used SWAT to setup a share on my note |
| 00:44.52 | SamWeasley | *note = notebook |
| 00:44.56 | JordiGH | d-b: Not often enough. It's been off by one hour since this morning until I restarted the server. :-/ |
| 00:45.15 | d-b | no way. |
| 00:45.24 | JordiGH | d-b: would I lie_ |
| 00:45.24 | JordiGH | ? |
| 00:45.27 | d-b | tzdata maybe. but it should be fine... it syncs in utc |
| 00:45.30 | d-b | !ntp |
| 00:45.30 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 00:45.41 | JordiGH | d-b: My UTC has been wrong the whole day! |
| 00:45.50 | JordiGH | d-b: Off by one hour. Stupid DST. |
| 00:45.52 | d-b | YIKES. what servers are you using ? |
| 00:46.03 | enouf | too far off sync to be corrected? |
| 00:46.05 | JordiGH | d-b: The Debian servers and a Mexican server. |
| 00:46.13 | JordiGH | enouf: Off by one hour. |
| 00:46.16 | d-b | the mexicans are a slow bunch. |
| 00:46.25 | JordiGH | Maybe. :-/ |
| 00:46.29 | enouf | i thought the limit was ~2 hrs, i'm not sure about that at all though |
| 00:46.35 | JordiGH | I switched to a Canadian server along with the Debian servers. |
| 00:47.03 | d-b | JordiGH: add a swiss / european gps / other one. |
| 00:47.08 | sdx | i have a directory index with images how can i get them all with wget? |
| 00:47.10 | enouf | a Daylight Savings TIme glitch? |
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| 00:47.21 | enouf | 1 hour exactly would make sense then |
| 00:47.32 | JordiGH | enouf: I guess so. yeah, exactly off by one hour. |
| 00:47.59 | enouf | and it wouldn't think it was wrong, because it altered on purpose it according to DST |
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| 00:48.20 | JordiGH | enouf: But why would DST touch UTC? |
| 00:48.21 | enouf | er s/altered it on purpose/ |
| 00:48.43 | enouf | oh .. hrm ... Leap Year? |
| 00:48.47 | enouf | hides |
| 00:48.52 | enouf | hahaha |
| 00:49.02 | enouf | no idea man .. |
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| 00:49.17 | enouf | i thought you meant your system time was off |
| 00:49.19 | d-b | enouf: want to do a scan of the debian ntp pool ? |
| 00:49.25 | JordiGH | My compatriots are idiots, unfortunately. I can't get a straight answer from #debian-es if any other Mexicans suffered a problem with DST today. |
| 00:49.35 | enouf | i don't use ntp d-b |
| 00:49.50 | enouf | ouch |
| 00:49.51 | d-b | enouf: rofl. i will have a go at it. this bandwidth is free atm. |
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| 00:51.00 | d-b | anyone got some nice method to do all of them ? |
| 00:51.34 | d-b | mmm scrap that i can't reach anything. |
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| 00:56.54 | smacnay | any recommendations on a brand of laptop that runs linux well? I am checking out the Dell lines right now. |
| 00:57.37 | petemc | dell work |
| 00:57.58 | petemc | if abrotman says different, thats bias on his part |
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| 01:00.19 | grim76 | smacnay: I have a Dell that I am working from now with Etch installed that has worked really well for me. |
| 01:00.44 | smacnay | grim76: which model? |
| 01:00.51 | grim76 | E1505 |
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| 01:01.36 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 01:10.32 | lethalduck | How are debian packages transfered... What is to stop eavesdroppers modifying package content? Are the packages encrypted or are they just check summed on arrival? |
| 01:10.59 | themill | !secure apt |
| 01:10.59 | dpkg | hmm... secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 01:11.31 | lethalduck | so by default there is no security? |
| 01:11.40 | themill | did you read? |
| 01:12.24 | lethalduck | no, but by the sound of it, it sounds like it's something extra... will read now |
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| 01:13.20 | LibertyOrDeath | is 0.29 a high load ? |
| 01:13.26 | Wyzard | no |
| 01:13.32 | LibertyOrDeath | What is, then? |
| 01:13.43 | Gm4n | a medium-low one |
| 01:13.50 | Wyzard | something higher than the number of processors (actually cores) that you have in your system |
| 01:13.51 | Gm4n | but it shows your system is in use |
| 01:13.57 | LibertyOrDeath | Ok |
| 01:14.08 | LibertyOrDeath | I was wondering how to gauge it |
| 01:14.20 | Wyzard | Load average represents the number of runnable processes |
| 01:14.24 | LibertyOrDeath | Most of the time it hovers around 0.03 , so I thought 0.29 was slightly higher |
| 01:14.32 | LibertyOrDeath | Ok |
| 01:14.34 | Wyzard | As long as there are no more than you have processor cores, every runnable task has a processor available to run on |
| 01:14.37 | LibertyOrDeath | Right |
| 01:14.38 | LibertyOrDeath | Thanks |
| 01:14.51 | Wyzard | If there are more runnable tasks than there are cores, things are having to wait for CPU time |
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| 01:15.40 | themill | (or are in an IO wait state) |
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| 01:15.48 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 01:16.35 | path_ | #debian no |
| 01:17.10 | Germanaz0 | hola a todos / hi everybody |
| 01:17.18 | acidslep | ja |
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| 01:17.44 | Germanaz0 | hey I have prroblems installing nvidia drivers on debian sid |
| 01:17.48 | superlinux | knoppix makes the kde device icons at boot. how is that done.. all i want is the icon makeing. |
| 01:18.28 | acidslep | superlinux: haha, what? |
| 01:18.53 | acidslep | accuses superlinux of being a hvampire |
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| 01:19.05 | themill | superlinux: KDE control centre => Desktop => behaviour => Device icons |
| 01:19.22 | acidslep | really! sorry then |
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| 01:19.26 | acidslep | publishes a retraction |
| 01:19.42 | superlinux | themill, aint there a command line thing so i can do a shell script? |
| 01:20.23 | themill | superlinux: they're part of kdesktop. If you are using kdesktop, then you can probably disable/enable them using a dcop call though. |
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| 01:21.15 | Coutaux | hello, i just managed to setup a poptop (pptp) vpn server on my debian server, and connecting/logging in seems to work on my home PC. but after that i can't connect to anything... seems like no data comes through or something. does anyone know what's going on? |
| 01:21.21 | superlinux | cos ,like said, knoppix makes it automatically |
| 01:21.34 | Germanaz0 | someone can help me with nvidia ? :S |
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| 01:22.27 | acidslep | dont ask to ask |
| 01:23.00 | acidslep | Coutaux: can you ping it through vpn? whats the vpn iface name? |
| 01:23.43 | Coutaux | ifconfig just lists 3 things, an eth0 eth0:1 and loopback |
| 01:23.53 | sandman | Activating swap files on my system for some reason does not work. I have 2 80G HDD's, across which I've setup RAID1 software raid. raid1_0 is 255M large, is made of hda1 and hdb1 and is mounted on /boot. raid1_1 is 2.2G large, is made of hda2 and hdb2, has a random-key encryption volume on top of it, in which another partition table is built, in which the first primary partition is swap for the system. raid1_2 is 60G large and is made of hda3 a |
| 01:23.59 | acidslep | it should have created a new iface, to my understanding |
| 01:24.24 | Coutaux | :( nope not here |
| 01:24.39 | Coutaux | i am using a debian server with webmin control panel |
| 01:24.46 | acidslep | cool :) |
| 01:24.49 | Coutaux | installed it through the control panel |
| 01:24.50 | sandman | So I think it may be a somewhat major bug in the etch debian-installer |
| 01:25.09 | sandman | Unfortunately, there's not much that will be done with it, I suppose. Since it is in stable, now. Mostly I was wondering if anyone knew of a work-around for this problem, though. |
| 01:25.16 | sandman | Let me guess: My message earlier was cut off. |
| 01:25.24 | acidslep | yes |
| 01:25.49 | sandman | I see. Where did it cut off? |
| 01:25.51 | acidslep | Coutaux: what makes you think you are connected? |
| 01:25.58 | acidslep | and is made of hda3 a/ |
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| 01:26.09 | Coutaux | the icon in windows says so :X |
| 01:26.24 | Coutaux | but aside from that nothing actually "works" |
| 01:26.30 | acidslep | Coutaux: how is the other side configured? |
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| 01:27.16 | sandman | ...and is made of hda3 and hdb3, with a passphrase encryption volume on top of it, upon which there is an LVM volume, in which my other partitions (LV's) are setup, and work. The only thing that _doesn't_ work is the swap. For some reason the etch debian installer just keeps saying that the swap cannot be activated in that setup. |
| 01:27.44 | acidslep | install anyways and go back in and activate manually? |
| 01:27.55 | Coutaux | acidslep it has 10.0.0.1 for "IP addresses for server end of connection" and 101.12.130.136 as "IP addresses to allocate to clients" |
| 01:27.59 | Coutaux | listen on all addresses |
| 01:28.01 | acidslep | does not know how to do this |
| 01:28.24 | Coutaux | hehe np :) |
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| 01:28.26 | acidslep | Coutaux: thats... uhh. i wouldent know how to use webmin to do it. |
| 01:28.55 | lethalduck | themill: dpkg: thanks for the link, very informative. |
| 01:28.58 | sandman | Well. I suppose i'll hafta. |
| 01:29.01 | acidslep | Coutaux: i would reccomend trying to do one side wif command line since it didnt make a new iface. Heh, i was talking about manually activating a swap partition. |
| 01:29.07 | Coutaux | i can probably use the command line but once there i wouldn't have the slightest clue what to do >< |
| 01:29.15 | sandman | I'm looking through /dev, though, and I don't see the partition |
| 01:29.16 | themill | lethalduck: no worries |
| 01:29.47 | Germanaz0 | who knows what is that nvidia.run can't install the driver because there are none "nviida.ko" |
| 01:30.07 | acidslep | so sandman, your swap is in a LVM and it wont get activated? |
| 01:30.13 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Use the Debian packages, not nVidia's .run installer |
| 01:30.15 | sandman | No. It's outside the lvm |
| 01:30.19 | themill | dpkg: tell Germanaz0 about nvidia |
| 01:30.28 | sandman | Basically it looks like this: |
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| 01:31.15 | Germanaz0 | uh themill Wyzard ? |
| 01:31.24 | Germanaz0 | I have no nviidia packages :S |
| 01:31.27 | sandman | Actually, scratch that. I wish I could draw this somehow, and show it to you... |
| 01:31.37 | Germanaz0 | couldn't install via m-a install nviida |
| 01:31.59 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: "couldn't install" -- what happened when you tried? |
| 01:32.21 | themill | Germanaz0: did you follow the instructions on the wiki? Or dpkg's instructions? What *exactly* did you do and how did it not work? |
| 01:32.29 | sandman | hda[hda1[raid1_0]hda2[raid1_1]hda5[raid1_2]]hdb[hdb1[raid1_0]hdb2[raid1_1]hdb5[raid1_2]] |
| 01:32.35 | Germanaz0 | lemme check |
| 01:32.45 | Germanaz0 | # free drivers |
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| 01:32.45 | Germanaz0 | # non-free drivers |
| 01:32.47 | Germanaz0 | wich one ? |
| 01:32.50 | Germanaz0 | free or non free ? |
| 01:32.52 | Germanaz0 | is better ? |
| 01:32.57 | batcoder-7 | is kde 4 in debain lenny ? |
| 01:33.08 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: The driver you're trying to install is the non-free one |
| 01:33.11 | sandman | Then, raid1_0[ext3 mounted @ boot], and actually this is pointless. |
| 01:33.11 | acidslep | hah, Germanaz0, you line spam worse than I do |
| 01:33.14 | sandman | And now LILO just failed to install |
| 01:33.16 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about kde4 |
| 01:33.22 | acidslep | hah! that sucks sandman |
| 01:33.27 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: The free one is 2D-only |
| 01:33.33 | Germanaz0 | ahh |
| 01:33.47 | sandman | Look, here: How do I get this done? Like in what order? |
| 01:34.04 | Germanaz0 | I saw the logs and appear only -200 |
| 01:34.06 | acidslep | is still trying to understand your partition tables |
| 01:34.07 | Germanaz0 | error for ex :X |
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| 01:34.29 | sandman | First partition the disks, setup raid on top of those parts, setup encryption on top of the MD's, then setup LVM on top of the desired Encryption volumes, then setup the LV's and build the related filesystems and set the mount points. |
| 01:34.31 | sandman | Right? |
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| 01:35.40 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: What logs are you talking about? |
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| 01:36.01 | Germanaz0 | when I do m-a install nvidia |
| 01:36.07 | Germanaz0 | appear a blue windows |
| 01:36.27 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 01:36.31 | Wyzard | and it says it failed to build? |
| 01:37.28 | AFK|superlinux | acidslep, http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Desktop_scripting_with_DCOP |
| 01:37.34 | Germanaz0 | yes Wyzard |
| 01:37.37 | AFK|superlinux | i think thats what i need |
| 01:37.45 | AFK|superlinux | thabnks any way i hve to go |
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| 01:37.55 | acidslep | sandman: what did you mean by that last question? |
| 01:38.00 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Can you paste the error messages somewhere? |
| 01:38.05 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: and what kernel are you running? |
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| 01:38.16 | Germanaz0 | yes |
| 01:38.23 | acidslep | o.O |
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| 01:38.27 | Germanaz0 | wait a sec |
| 01:38.28 | simprix | Is there a way to find out what package provides a certain file. |
| 01:38.29 | acidslep | i was attacked by peer |
| 01:38.40 | Wyzard | simprix: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 01:39.26 | sandman | acidslep: Well, I basicaly want to create LVM on top of encryption on top of raid1 |
| 01:39.33 | sandman | I just wanted to make sure that I was doing it in the right order. |
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| 01:40.06 | Wyzard | sandman: The etch installer had a bug that made that setup impossible... it's probably been fixed for the lenny installer, but I don't know for sure |
| 01:40.19 | bertoli | hi all, im trying to install my realtek pci wireless board but when i execute the makedrv script it shows that doesnt find the file: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build... how can I fix this ? |
| 01:40.21 | sandman | Wyzard: Really. |
| 01:40.26 | sandman | That really sucks. Is there a way I could manually do it? |
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| 01:40.56 | Wyzard | sandman: IIRC, the bug was that after creating the RAID and the crypto layer, the installer would think the resulting device was a hard drive and want to create a plain partition table on it |
| 01:41.06 | Wyzard | rather than treating it like a partition and letting you put LVM in it |
| 01:41.07 | sandman | Wyzard: That's correct |
| 01:41.12 | sandman | That's exactly what it's doing |
| 01:41.18 | Wyzard | then the bug still exists |
| 01:41.19 | sandman | And it's fucking breaking everything |
| 01:41.21 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, appear that message on blue |
| 01:41.32 | sandman | I'm sorry, i shouldn't swear. |
| 01:41.42 | Germanaz0 | failed to compile nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64. what do you wanna do ? |
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| 01:41.49 | Germanaz0 | View.... |
| 01:41.54 | Germanaz0 | continue |
| 01:41.56 | Germanaz0 | or stop |
| 01:42.00 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: There should be an option to view the build log |
| 01:42.00 | Germanaz0 | I have to choise one of them :D |
| 01:42.03 | Wyzard | That's what we need to see |
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| 01:42.14 | Wyzard | That's where the *actual* error message is |
| 01:42.26 | Germanaz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.26 | Germanaz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.26 | Germanaz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.37 | themill | !stop pasting Germanaz0 |
| 01:42.37 | dpkg | Germanaz0: We don't defecate on your keyboard. Please don't paste in our channel. /msg dpkg paste |
| 01:42.50 | Germanaz0 | ahh ok |
| 01:42.54 | Germanaz0 | I didn't knew that |
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| 01:42.58 | Germanaz0 | command |
| 01:43.25 | Germanaz0 | bertoli are you from argentina santa fe ? |
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| 01:44.05 | bertoli | Germanaz0, no hermano, i'm from brazil, why ? |
| 01:44.16 | Germanaz0 | bcz here is a bertoli |
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| 01:44.29 | Germanaz0 | one of founders of lugli :D |
| 01:44.57 | bertoli | Germanaz0, whats lugli ? |
| 01:45.07 | Germanaz0 | a lug from my city :D |
| 01:45.25 | bertoli | Germanaz0, lol nice :D |
| 01:45.34 | Wyzard | sandman: The bug was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393728 |
| 01:45.39 | Wyzard | sandman: but that says it's been fixed |
| 01:45.47 | Wyzard | sandman: Are you using the lenny installer, or the etch one? |
| 01:46.58 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, what's happend if that fail but appear the button "Continue".... will do something bad ? |
| 01:47.24 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: It'll probably just take you back to your command prompt |
| 01:47.36 | Germanaz0 | ahh |
| 01:47.42 | Germanaz0 | I don't wanna it xD |
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| 01:48.20 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: but what we need is the messages from the build log that you get when you choose the "view" button |
| 01:48.52 | Germanaz0 | can i send u via pm ? |
| 01:48.57 | Germanaz0 | bcz b4 I pasted it |
| 01:48.59 | themill | !paste |
| 01:48.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:49.10 | Wyzard | use one of those ^^^ |
| 01:49.28 | Germanaz0 | http://pastebin.com/m5ef8254f |
| 01:49.30 | Germanaz0 | pastebin xD |
| 01:49.30 | lethalduck | Any one know of any good channels that discuss building linux servers? I.E. The hardware involved, Linux software RAID, etc? |
| 01:49.49 | Sling | lethalduck : try #linux |
| 01:49.51 | themill | Germanaz0: can you pastebin the contents of /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64.buildlog.2.6.26-1-amd64.12 |
| 01:50.01 | lethalduck | ok, ta |
| 01:50.03 | Germanaz0 | sure |
| 01:50.44 | sandman | Wyzard: It was actually fixed in etch? |
| 01:50.58 | sandman | Wyzard: I was under the impression that stable stuff doesn't get touched |
| 01:51.08 | Wyzard | sandman: no, it wasn't fixed in etch |
| 01:51.25 | Wyzard | sandman: It was fixed sometime after etch was released, so the lenny installer presumably doesn't have the bug |
| 01:52.12 | sandman | Could I use the lenny installer to install etch, I wonder? |
| 01:52.13 | sandman | Or, could I just do it manually somehow? |
| 01:52.13 | Germanaz0 | only that sandman http://pastebin.com/m4f16a3d4 |
| 01:52.13 | sandman | <== doesn't know how to do all this manually, unfortunately |
| 01:52.29 | Germanaz0 | ah themill Wyzard http://pastebin.com/m4f16a3d4 that one sorry sandman |
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| 01:52.54 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: I doubt that's the entire content of the file |
| 01:53.00 | smacnay | was there a major break in alsa in "testing"? |
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| 01:53.11 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, is all that I have in that log :S |
| 01:53.35 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Is it all you see when you pick "view" in module-assistant? |
| 01:53.43 | Wyzard | no more text if you scroll down? |
| 01:53.49 | Germanaz0 | nope |
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| 01:54.51 | Germanaz0 | btw Wyzard I have SID |
| 01:54.55 | Germanaz0 | 64 bit |
| 01:55.12 | Wyzard | I'm running 64-bit sid too |
| 01:55.21 | Wyzard | I had no problems building nvidia-kernel with module-assistant |
| 01:55.28 | Germanaz0 | hmmm |
| 01:55.33 | Germanaz0 | wich GCC u had ? |
| 01:55.50 | Wyzard | 4.3.2-1 currently |
| 01:56.05 | Germanaz0 | and worked ? |
| 01:56.16 | Germanaz0 | bcz I made export CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 01:56.17 | Wyzard | I don't know if that's the exact same version that was installed when I built nvidia-kernel for 2.6.26, but it's very similar at least |
| 01:56.35 | Wyzard | I might've done that too, if the kernel was built with 4.1 |
| 01:56.36 | Wyzard | I don't remember |
| 01:56.58 | Wyzard | but the GCC version shouldn't make the module fail to build |
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| 01:57.22 | Wyzard | at most it might make the module crash your system when it's loaded |
| 01:57.24 | Germanaz0 | and I dunno if that care but I made something with ln linux-<header> linux |
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| 01:57.49 | Wyzard | /usr/src/linux? |
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| 01:57.57 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to make a symlink for that |
| 01:58.10 | Wyzard | If that was necessary, you did something wrong |
| 01:58.43 | Germanaz0 | yes but I readed that in a tutorial |
| 01:58.44 | Germanaz0 | tat was needed |
| 01:58.45 | Germanaz0 | :X |
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| 01:59.10 | Wyzard | The tutorial was probably not telling you the Debian way of installing the nVidia driver |
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| 01:59.18 | Wyzard | or maybe the person who wrote it was just misinformed |
| 01:59.20 | Germanaz0 | ln -s linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64 linux |
| 01:59.26 | Germanaz0 | that command I typed |
| 01:59.30 | Wyzard | That's not necessary |
| 01:59.30 | Germanaz0 | bcz I have 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernell |
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| 01:59.55 | Germanaz0 | http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html#nvidia_drivers <== that tuto xD |
| 02:00.10 | Wyzard | module-assistant knows to look in the linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64 directory |
| 02:00.19 | Germanaz0 | and how I can fix it ? |
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| 02:00.45 | Wyzard | It'd be better to follow the directions from Debian's wiki |
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| 02:00.58 | Wyzard | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:01.05 | Germanaz0 | yes I saw it |
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| 02:01.11 | Germanaz0 | after follow that tutorial :D |
| 02:02.04 | sandman | Is there a way I could create the partitions I want to use with the lenny installer |
| 02:02.14 | sandman | And then reboot with the etch installer so I can install debian stable? |
| 02:03.20 | Wyzard | You can try it, but I you'll still need to go through the "configure crypto" and "configure LVM" steps in the etch installer, and you'll probably encounter the same problem |
| 02:03.52 | Germanaz0 | for who is that last mess ? |
| 02:03.55 | Germanaz0 | *message |
| 02:03.58 | Wyzard | sandman: |
| 02:04.00 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:04.04 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: for sandman |
| 02:04.08 | Germanaz0 | ah nice xD |
| 02:04.48 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Other than the unnecessary symlink, it sounds like you've done the right things: you installed the linux-headers package and ran module-assistant |
| 02:05.09 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: but module-assistant failed, and with nothing in its log, I have no idea why |
| 02:05.18 | Germanaz0 | how I can remove that ==> ln -s linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64 linux |
| 02:05.32 | Wyzard | Just delete the "linux" symlink |
| 02:05.35 | sandman | Wait a sec |
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| 02:05.37 | Germanaz0 | ah and Wyzard wich nvidia-kernel do you have ? |
| 02:05.58 | sandman | I coulda sworn in the instructions for etch-and-a-half, you would use the lenny bootcd and somehow change the sources.list |
| 02:06.08 | sandman | So you could install etch with the lenny installation cd |
| 02:06.14 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: If you need to ask for help in how to remove a symlink you created, perhaps you shouldn't be running sid |
| 02:06.32 | Germanaz0 | I know |
| 02:06.35 | Germanaz0 | but I liked SID :D |
| 02:06.37 | Wyzard | sandman: it might be possible to install etch directly with the lenny installer |
| 02:07.20 | Wyzard | I've never tried it, but you could try booting the lenny installer in expert mode and see if there's an option for that sort of thing |
| 02:07.34 | Wyzard | I vaguely remember something like that from using etch's installer to install sarge |
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| 02:08.14 | Elite|Jeti | anyone here use a debian server for web hosting? |
| 02:08.52 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 <== I have that :D |
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| 02:09.22 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: You have that package installed? |
| 02:09.27 | Germanaz0 | I made m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:09.38 | Germanaz0 | and that what failed |
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| 02:10.07 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: oh, so the problem was that you were telling module-assistant to build "nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64" rather than the correct name "nvidia-kernel" ? |
| 02:10.59 | Germanaz0 | maybe |
| 02:11.04 | Germanaz0 | lemem check |
| 02:11.05 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Now that you have nvidia-kernel installed, you also need to install nvidia-glx (that's the actual xorg driver, which depends on the kernel module) |
| 02:12.02 | Germanaz0 | ahh |
| 02:12.13 | Germanaz0 | and then ? |
| 02:12.23 | Wyzard | then configure xorg to use the "nvidia" driver |
| 02:12.26 | Wyzard | and then you're done |
| 02:12.39 | Germanaz0 | nvidia-xconfig type that ? |
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| 02:13.31 | Wyzard | If you have that package installed, you could probably use that, but I've never used nvidia-xconfig |
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| 02:13.42 | Germanaz0 | what u made ? |
| 02:13.45 | Wyzard | I would just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with a text editor |
| 02:13.56 | Wyzard | Anyway, see the tutorial |
| 02:15.30 | Germanaz0 | Device"nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500]" |
| 02:15.57 | Wyzard | Look for a Driver "nv" or Driver "vesa" line |
| 02:15.59 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, have to do that ? |
| 02:16.02 | Germanaz0 | grep -q ^nvidia /etc/modules || echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 02:16.12 | Wyzard | no, you don't need to do that |
| 02:16.19 | Germanaz0 | yes Wyzard that is what I have on my xorg.conf |
| 02:16.27 | Elite|Jeti | anyone here use a debian server for web hosting? |
| 02:16.40 | Wyzard | That's to make the system load the nvidia kernel module during bootup, but the xorg driver loads it automatically so there's no need to put it in /etc/modules |
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| 02:17.04 | Wyzard | Germanaz0: Change the "nv" or "vesa" to "nvidia" |
| 02:17.28 | ksakjas | if i have a web cam hooked up to a embedded system running debian, what is a program that i can use to stream the video to a node on the network. |
| 02:17.31 | Germanaz0 | doen :D |
| 02:17.36 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, so I have to restart x aight ? |
| 02:17.37 | Germanaz0 | after that |
| 02:17.40 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 02:18.05 | Wyzard | If you're using GDM, run "/etc/init.d/gdm reload" and then log out |
| 02:18.06 | Germanaz0 | ok |
| 02:18.19 | Germanaz0 | brb then :D |
| 02:18.37 | Germanaz0 | if I'm in console mode ? |
| 02:18.48 | Germanaz0 | i have to do cp newconf oldconf ? |
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| 02:19.06 | Wyzard | What newconf and oldconf files are you talking about? |
| 02:19.19 | Germanaz0 | like xorg.conf and xorg.conf.backup |
| 02:19.42 | Wyzard | That would've been for making a backup before you modified it |
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| 02:19.47 | Germanaz0 | ok |
| 02:19.47 | Germanaz0 | nice |
| 02:19.48 | Germanaz0 | well |
| 02:19.49 | Wyzard | but all you did was change a Driver line to say "nvdia" |
| 02:19.53 | Wyzard | er, "nvidia" |
| 02:19.55 | Germanaz0 | yep |
| 02:19.56 | Germanaz0 | aight |
| 02:19.58 | Wyzard | If it doesn't work, change that line back |
| 02:20.01 | Germanaz0 | I will edit that with nano :D |
| 02:20.07 | Germanaz0 | ty for help |
| 02:20.12 | Germanaz0 | I will check if that work |
| 02:20.21 | Germanaz0 | brb |
| 02:20.30 | Germanaz0 | brb come in a few of minutes |
| 02:20.53 | Germanaz0 | is away (Not Here - No Estoy - Me Fui) |
| 02:21.55 | Elite|Jeti | anyone here use a debian server for web hosting? |
| 02:22.07 | PeterFA | !pin |
| 02:22.07 | dpkg | it has been said that pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 02:22.13 | PeterFA | !pinning |
| 02:22.13 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 02:22.53 | PeterFA | I have to pin a version of OpenVPN to 2.0. |
| 02:22.55 | PeterFA | :) |
| 02:22.56 | enouf | !tell PeterFA -about msgthebot |
| 02:23.03 | enouf | just a FYI ;-) |
| 02:23.24 | Elite|Jeti | PeterFA: you have a debian web server? |
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| 02:24.40 | sandman | Hm. It would appear that setting up LVM on top of Crypt on top of Software RAID is a rather huge PITA if done manually |
| 02:24.58 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, :D |
| 02:25.00 | Germanaz0 | it worked _o_ |
| 02:25.06 | sandman | I think I will, in the end, just use the Lenny installer to install etch. Or at least, try to. |
| 02:25.15 | Germanaz0 | but I didn't saw "Nvidia" logo when I restarted |
| 02:25.27 | enouf | haha |
| 02:26.33 | Germanaz0 | man u rock Wyzard ty a lot it worked really nice. b4 I had a video that couldn't see in good mood in fullscreen |
| 02:26.36 | Germanaz0 | now I can ^^ |
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| 02:31.09 | PeterFA | Elite|Jeti, no, I have a VPN server :P |
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| 02:34.03 | Germanaz0 | ok brb :D |
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| 02:36.24 | Corwin | Does anyone know of a repository where I can get linux-image-2.6.27-1-amd64 ? |
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| 02:41.07 | JordiGH | Corwin: Doesn't look like it's packaged yet. |
| 02:41.25 | Corwin | thanks JordiGH. |
| 02:41.26 | JordiGH | And quite frankly, for Linux, I wouldn't go to an unofficial repo. |
| 02:41.36 | Corwin | I would |
| 02:41.43 | JordiGH | Just get it from kernel.org and build it. |
| 02:42.15 | Corwin | I would much, much rather get it from an unofficial repo than build it from source |
| 02:44.18 | JordiGH | *shrug* grep the internets then. |
| 02:44.36 | JordiGH | Maybe Ubuntu has one. |
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| 02:46.59 | Corwin | not finding anything :( |
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| 02:49.02 | Germanaz0 | Wyzard, another litle litle question is easy :D |
| 02:49.17 | JordiGH | kernel.org, then |
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| 02:49.39 | Germanaz0 | when I'm watching a video in fullscreen I see very very fast the frames per second, I'm using realplayer |
| 02:49.54 | grdn | i have two debian servers, both very similar, same my.cnf and mysql-server package, one has mysqld process while the other has 15 mysqld processes, why is that? |
| 02:51.23 | Elite|Jeti | they web servers? |
| 02:52.30 | grdn | yea |
| 02:53.13 | Elite|Jeti | one server have more users than the other? |
| 02:54.31 | grdn | that doesn't seem likely, mysql spawns the proesses when you run it |
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| 02:55.12 | Elite|Jeti | Yes but when you have a user connecting to the mysql service then it starts a new instance.....therefore my point |
| 02:55.50 | troubled | grdn: is one more loaded than the other? |
| 02:56.34 | grdn | troubled: loaded as in? |
| 02:56.41 | grdn | memory? mysql activity? |
| 02:57.06 | Germanaz0 | is away (Not Here - No Estoy - Me Fui) |
| 02:57.11 | meoblast001 | !moo |
| 02:57.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 02:57.51 | grdn | Elite|Jeti: and i'm saying that doesn't make any sense, why would mysqld spawn 10+ processes when you start it? |
| 02:57.59 | jhutchins | grdn: single or multi-thread is either a config option or compile option - something is different between the two servers. |
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| 02:58.04 | grdn | it's one thing if it started with 1 and started growing |
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| 02:58.36 | jhutchins | grdn: It's just like apache, either you can have one process that handles multiple connections, or multiple processes. |
| 02:58.44 | grdn | jhutchins: well it's the same package, but the one spawning multiple processes is on a quad-core server while the other is a single core... not sure if that matters |
| 02:58.53 | jhutchins | grdn: for lots of different connections, multi-process is the way to go. |
| 02:59.12 | jhutchins | grdn: Could be something about what it detects when it starts. |
| 02:59.25 | jhutchins | grdn: Same exact version? |
| 02:59.32 | grdn | yea |
| 02:59.46 | jhutchins | grdn: Same exact config, you can copy it over from one to the other? |
| 03:00.00 | grdn | 5.0.32-7etch6, same my.cnf config |
| 03:00.18 | jhutchins | Interesting. Is it the quad core that multi-threads? |
| 03:00.26 | grdn | yea |
| 03:00.46 | [biabia] | im installing debian it has this kernel highlighted and is prompting me to select one2.6-k7 |
| 03:00.53 | grdn | the one with the single process is some "ancient" celeron 2ghz~ or so |
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| 03:01.19 | jhutchins | I may be able to come up with some info for you between 15:00z and 24:00z tomorrow, look for jhutchins_wk. |
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| 03:03.49 | [biabia] | how would i know which kernel to install |
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| 03:06.07 | triplc | hi all. How to set (force?) 1280x1024? I just upgrade from Etch to Lenny and my desktop cannot switch to 1280x1024 as it used to be. I am using Lenovo computer (I think it is Intel VGA chip) and Samsung SyncMaster 740n monitor. Please tell me how. |
| 03:06.13 | troubled | grdn: activity. my understanding is that even though mysql is multithreaded, it wont start spitting out processes like that until the load justifies it |
| 03:06.42 | grdn | troubled: it starts at with 11 processes and grows to 15 in a few minutes, that's why i'm seeing so far |
| 03:06.48 | grdn | what* |
| 03:06.50 | troubled | grdn: even though mysql runs on smp boxes here, it generally is only uses 1 thread until the load spikes hard |
| 03:07.21 | troubled | grdn: in debian, the default on restart is to check the tables. is your db very large and taking along time to check? |
| 03:07.55 | grdn | nope |
| 03:08.02 | smacnay | How well does the Intel X3100 vid card run any sort of moderately intensive game? |
| 03:08.20 | grdn | i'd say no more than 2MB~ if i dump the data into a file |
| 03:08.20 | troubled | grdn: web server app with persistent connections? |
| 03:08.45 | troubled | grdn: are you using persistent connection on each web server? are the php.ini files identical as well? etc. |
| 03:09.06 | troubled | sorry if php is the wrong assumption, but its usually the correct one :) |
| 03:10.21 | grdn | well i have no web apps or scripts that connect to mysql |
| 03:10.44 | grdn | the only thing using mysql is my mail setup |
| 03:10.46 | [biabia] | can anyone advise me on which kernel to install |
| 03:10.53 | troubled | grdn: so you have 2 identical machines with 2 identical setups? |
| 03:11.11 | troubled | grdn: perhaps your mail setup is keeping the connections open then |
| 03:11.29 | grdn | troubled: they should be very similar, as i'm upgrading from one to the other, and i moved confs and data across to the new one |
| 03:11.37 | grdn | troubled: yea i'll check that out |
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| 03:13.59 | troubled | grdn: might also want to mysql into the db and run something like "show status;" and "show processlist;" |
| 03:14.29 | troubled | it should hopefully be obvious whats connecting based on the user id and dbname |
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| 03:20.04 | grdn | troubled: it only shows me one process, my own query for show processlist heh |
| 03:20.43 | grdn | that's what i mean, mysql isn't really being used as the mail server is running but processes something like .02 emails per minute |
| 03:20.51 | grdn | but it has all these processes |
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| 03:23.45 | troubled | grdn: the processlist only shows 1 account connected? |
| 03:25.25 | grdn | yep, which is me doing the query `show processlist;` |
| 03:25.40 | grdn | however the values are different for Thread_* in show status; |
| 03:25.57 | troubled | grdn: pastebin a copy of the relevant mysql lines from "ps xaf"? |
| 03:26.20 | troubled | also, if you can attach the "show status" output, might be helpful |
| 03:27.01 | grdn | http://dpaste.com/86934/ |
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| 03:29.03 | grdn | http://dpaste.com/86936/ |
| 03:29.36 | grdn | as far show status, the only thing that seems to stick out to me is Threads_* |
| 03:30.00 | grdn | for those fields on my 'old' server it's 0,1,1,1 for cached,connected,created,running |
| 03:30.11 | grdn | versus 4,1,5,1 |
| 03:31.31 | troubled | same version of mysql though on both machines? |
| 03:31.38 | grdn | yea |
| 03:31.50 | Corwin | does anyone know a good up to date guide for compiling a kernel source "teh debian way"? |
| 03:32.29 | troubled | grdn: so on both machines, on a full mysql restart, do they both start with 1 thread? |
| 03:33.00 | grdn | troubled: nope |
| 03:33.07 | pickcoder | !tell Corwin about kp-mantra |
| 03:33.19 | grdn | the one in question starts out with 11~ or so |
| 03:33.29 | grdn | right off the bat |
| 03:34.02 | pickcoder | Corwin: are you trying to install a vanilla kernel? |
| 03:34.26 | Corwin | yes, 2.6.27.4 |
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| 03:34.46 | troubled | grdn: not aware of mysqld caching the connection state across restarts, but not 100% sure it doesn't either |
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| 03:35.48 | pickcoder | Corwin: if you run a custom kernel then you don't get security updates or bug patches |
| 03:36.20 | pickcoder | you should be able to copy one of the existing configs from the /boot/ dir to .config and use the kp-mantra to build a .deb to install |
| 03:36.32 | Corwin | Some year debain can catch up and replace my kernel with a newer one and then I can get those |
| 03:36.53 | pickcoder | actually Etch has had the most recent kernels ever |
| 03:37.09 | pickcoder | even RHES still has 2.6.18 but you can get 2.6.26 from BPO |
| 03:37.32 | Corwin | I know of no etch. I run testing and looked at unstable and expermental but did not find 2.6.27 |
| 03:38.11 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 03:38.25 | stoned | troubled, ! |
| 03:38.26 | dmoerner | Corwin, the debian-kernel team maintains a separate repository for their experimental kernels |
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| 03:38.46 | ksakjas | i have vlc runing on my linux box, i want to take teh webcam stream coming from /dev/video0 and push it to computer 192.168.2.151 on my network. how do i do this, thanks for any assistance. also this must be done by command line |
| 03:39.02 | Corwin | I searched debian.org and found no newer kernels than 2.6.26 |
| 03:39.11 | pickcoder | yeah 2.6.26 is the only one in testing |
| 03:39.35 | pickcoder | sid has the same version too |
| 03:39.53 | pickcoder | dmoerner: is that repo posted somewhere on the web site? |
| 03:40.01 | Corwin | a google serch on linux-image-2.6.27-1-amd64 results in nothing |
| 03:40.10 | dmoerner | pickcoder, it's on wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 03:40.15 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 03:40.18 | troubled | stoned! |
| 03:40.21 | troubled | sup |
| 03:40.22 | stdisease | Corwin: compile it then, 2.6.27.4 from kernel.org is latest |
| 03:40.48 | dmoerner | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 03:40.55 | Corwin | I was asking for an up-to-date "debian way" guide for compiling kernels |
| 03:41.16 | stdisease | heh, I didn't know there was a debian way |
| 03:41.27 | stdisease | just unpack, configure, make and install :p |
| 03:41.40 | Corwin | and suffer the wrath of dpkg and debsums |
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| 03:42.28 | pickcoder | Corwin: if you use the kp-mantra dpkg pm'd you then you can use the kernel source. You'll need the kernel build tools. |
| 03:43.34 | Corwin | pickcoder: that PM made no sense to me |
| 03:44.02 | troubled | grdn: might want to check out "man mysqld" and search for "Threads_cached". Seems to give some explanation and variables to look at. Also, consider asking in #mysql. other than that, im not entirely sure why 2 identical setups would have different running results |
| 03:44.26 | Corwin | cool, thanks dmoerner, There is a 2.6.27 kernel there. :) |
| 03:44.42 | pickcoder | erm.. FIXME: files//debian/Packages-lenny-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
| 03:44.46 | pickcoder | that's not good eh? |
| 03:45.20 | stdisease | when tools that are supposed to help us become liabilities, when we have to suffer wrath when we want flexibility, you know something has gone wrong :/ |
| 03:48.40 | pickcoder | Corwin: that's basically a set of commands to build a kernel package |
| 03:48.52 | Corwin | ah |
| 03:49.02 | pickcoder | you'll need build-essential |
| 03:49.09 | Corwin | already installed |
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| 03:51.05 | pickcoder | if you want the same kernel config as the distro kernels then you can copy the latest config from /boot/ |
| 03:51.54 | Corwin | where would I copy one fo the config's to? |
| 03:52.15 | Corwin | just the root source directory? |
| 03:52.18 | pickcoder | where your source makefile is |
| 03:52.25 | pickcoder | it's normally .config |
| 03:52.35 | Corwin | config-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 03:53.33 | pickcoder | that will work |
| 03:53.59 | Corwin | cool. Then the rest of those commands will give me a .deb? |
| 03:54.13 | pickcoder | they should, yes, unless there are compile errors |
| 03:54.38 | Corwin | okdokie. Thanks. :) |
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| 03:56.13 | PeterFA | I'm having trouble pinning this package. I want openvpn of 2.0 but when I add it, apt doesn't like it. I use "version 2.0.9" and priority 1001 |
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| 04:01.26 | Corwin | On the config stuff do I just keep hitting return (will that use values from the config-2.6.26-1-amd64 file? |
| 04:01.45 | pickcoder | you shouldn't have to make from the menu |
| 04:01.48 | pickcoder | just run the commands |
| 04:01.57 | Corwin | I did |
| 04:02.14 | Corwin | Now I get questions like Support mmconfig PCI config space access (PCI_MMCONFIG) [N/y] (NEW) |
| 04:02.28 | Corwin | Does teh NEW mean its newer than 2.6.26? |
| 04:03.02 | pickcoder | no clue |
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| 04:03.29 | pickcoder | the last time I built a Debian kernel was on Sarge |
| 04:03.36 | pickcoder | that was a couple years ago |
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| 04:11.27 | stoned | PeterFA, can you pastebin /etc/apt/preferences and any error messages? |
| 04:11.36 | PeterFA | Ok. |
| 04:12.33 | PeterFA | http://rafb.net/p/6Z2rwo45.html |
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| 04:14.12 | phorce1 | hmm alien-arena is cool for a distraction. Now if I could get it to quit screwing with my resolution when I exit... |
| 04:17.20 | enouf | judd: versions openvpn |
| 04:17.21 | judd | enouf: openvpn: 2.0.9-4etch1 (etch) 2.1~rc11-1 (lenny) 2.1~rc11-1 (sid) |
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| 04:17.56 | enouf | PeterFA: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 04:18.22 | ohmygodihaveanic | i was thinking about installing debian as a dual boot, and ive always used Ubuntu before, and i have some questions |
| 04:18.29 | ohmygodihaveanic | Will debian recongize my vid card and wifi card like Ubuntu does? |
| 04:18.35 | ArkoldThos | hey, i downloaded a source package (apt-get source ...)but i want to repackage it, how i'll do it? |
| 04:18.42 | enouf | PeterFA: i don't think pinning works so well for older pkgs, try /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:18.50 | ArkoldThos | ohmygodihaveanic: it will, after some configurations |
| 04:19.09 | ohmygodihaveanic | ArkoldThos, are the configurations relatively simple? |
| 04:19.10 | enouf | PeterFA: and wtf do you mean "apt doesn't like it" |
| 04:19.21 | ArkoldThos | ohmygodihaveanic: depending on the card |
| 04:19.38 | PeterFA | enouf, I want to install 2.0.9 of openvpn... |
| 04:19.38 | ArkoldThos | ohmygodihaveanic: there are tools that do the configuration automatly |
| 04:19.48 | ArkoldThos | aticonfig for example for ATI cards |
| 04:19.49 | ohmygodihaveanic | ArkoldThos, i have an Nvidia Gefore 5200 fx and an Atheros wifi card |
| 04:20.01 | ArkoldThos | no clue about wifi card, i dont use them |
| 04:20.19 | ohmygodihaveanic | ArkoldThos, does nvidiaconfig work for nvidia cards? |
| 04:20.22 | ArkoldThos | but about the nvidia you need to install nvidia package and then reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:20.24 | ArkoldThos | yup |
| 04:20.27 | ArkoldThos | nvidiaconfig? |
| 04:20.35 | ArkoldThos | that exists? xd |
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| 04:20.54 | ArkoldThos | i have used debian for 4 years, but since some months ago im using kubuntu and i just bought an nvidia card, so no clue |
| 04:20.55 | enouf | PeterFA: apt-get update ; apt-get install openvpn (and tell me if you get the same errors) |
| 04:20.57 | ohmygodihaveanic | and does Debian have more features over Ubuntu? |
| 04:20.58 | ArkoldThos | i have used ati alll time before |
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| 04:21.14 | PeterFA | enouf, want me to remove the version pinning stuff? |
| 04:21.16 | enouf | PeterFA: if so, do apt-get -t etch-backports install openvpn |
| 04:21.17 | ArkoldThos | ohmygodihaveanic: the difference between distributions are the packages that are in |
| 04:21.24 | enouf | PeterFA: not yet |
| 04:21.39 | ohmygodihaveanic | ArkoldThos, can you point me somewhere that compares the two non-biased? |
| 04:21.42 | PeterFA | enouf, are you maintainer? |
| 04:21.57 | ArkoldThos | non-biased? (sorry, english isn't mine native lang) |
| 04:21.57 | pickcoder | ohmygodihaveanic: pick one and try it |
| 04:22.01 | enouf | PeterFA: and show me cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 04:22.19 | PeterFA | enouf, still updating |
| 04:22.26 | enouf | ok |
| 04:23.14 | pickcoder | IMO Debian is geared towards a stable platform while Ubuntu is geared towards releasing the latest versions of things as quickly as possible |
| 04:23.22 | enouf | no, i'm not a maintainer, ...unless you mean the unbridled beast in my pants :-P |
| 04:23.44 | ArkoldThos | Intrepid isn't stable yet and they plan to release it in 3 days |
| 04:23.48 | ArkoldThos | crazy decition :p |
| 04:23.55 | ArkoldThos | but however, i always used debian sid xd |
| 04:24.00 | dmoerner | their idea of a release freeze is a week. enough said. |
| 04:24.01 | ohmygodihaveanic | is the goodbye-microsft way a good way to go? |
| 04:24.06 | pickcoder | ArkoldThos: Ubuntu is? |
| 04:24.17 | ArkoldThos | no, to be honest |
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| 04:24.24 | ArkoldThos | they just want to add more and more things |
| 04:24.33 | ArkoldThos | they doesn't even check if the things they add are stable |
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| 04:24.40 | PeterFA | enouf, same error for first command you told me... |
| 04:24.44 | ArkoldThos | actually, sid is more stable than ubuntu xd |
| 04:24.53 | enouf | PeterFA: show me cat output |
| 04:25.20 | enouf | PeterFA: and show me apt-cache policy openvpn |
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| 04:25.37 | PeterFA | enouf, there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:26.02 | mattinator | hmmm |
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| 04:26.04 | enouf | [00:15:52] <enouf> PeterFA: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:26.38 | enouf | PeterFA: just fucken tell me which fucken release of debian you're using for fuck's sake you weenie |
| 04:26.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:26.53 | PeterFA | enouf, lenny/sid |
| 04:27.06 | enouf | great |
| 04:27.16 | enouf | and you want a friggin Etch pkg? |
| 04:27.21 | enouf | great |
| 04:27.26 | enouf | use hold as i mentioned |
| 04:27.32 | PeterFA | Ok. |
| 04:27.40 | ohmygodihaveanic | so goodbye-microsoft bad? |
| 04:27.41 | enouf | install the way i told you |
| 04:27.52 | pickcoder | ohmygodihaveanic: download the net install CD |
| 04:27.58 | pickcoder | there is even a GUI install mode |
| 04:28.08 | pickcoder | if you're CLI challenged |
| 04:28.20 | ohmygodihaveanic | i have the net CD somehwere, im not CLI challenged ;) |
| 04:28.39 | neoice | goodbye-microsoft might be nice if you're a dual-boot noob |
| 04:28.43 | neoice | and thats important to you |
| 04:28.43 | pickcoder | personally, I don't see a difference between the GUI and the text mode installer |
| 04:28.47 | pickcoder | apart from buttons to click on |
| 04:28.56 | neoice | pickcoder: likewise. |
| 04:28.59 | pickcoder | and the logos |
| 04:29.00 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:29.10 | erawfish | ohmygodihaveanic: goodbye-microsoft is not supported here and is harder to use actually |
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| 04:29.40 | ohmygodihaveanic | alrightt then |
| 04:29.44 | enouf | http://goodbye-windows.com comes in handy for Rube-Goldberg installation weenies |
| 04:29.44 | ohmygodihaveanic | ill grab the net install CD |
| 04:29.53 | neoice | are you trying to dual-boot? |
| 04:29.54 | ohmygodihaveanic | is 4.0 still the latest version? |
| 04:29.57 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:29.57 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:30.02 | neoice | 4.0r5 I think |
| 04:30.02 | ohmygodihaveanic | yeah, im dual booting |
| 04:30.07 | ohmygodihaveanic | i still need CS3 to work |
| 04:30.09 | enouf | well - you need net |
| 04:30.18 | erawfish | ohmygodihaveanic: can you tell us a bit about your hardware? you might want a slighly different version depending on it |
| 04:30.43 | neoice | enouf: I totally pulled off a rube goldberg install this weekend. |
| 04:30.50 | ohmygodihaveanic | i have a toshiba lapotp |
| 04:31.15 | ohmygodihaveanic | 1.5 gb ram, 3.2 ghz processor |
| 04:31.15 | erawfish | ohmygodihaveanic: chipsets. not brands |
| 04:31.15 | neoice | personally, for desktops (and laptops specifically), I'd go with lenny/sid |
| 04:31.15 | erawfish | mainly mainboard chipset and network card |
| 04:31.18 | ohmygodihaveanic | Nivida geforce 5200 FX gfx card, Atheros Wifi card |
| 04:31.25 | ohmygodihaveanic | Intel chip |
| 04:31.29 | neoice | the ath is nice. |
| 04:31.39 | erawfish | WHICH intel chip? |
| 04:31.40 | erawfish | NOT brands? |
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| 04:32.00 | ohmygodihaveanic | P4 |
| 04:32.05 | enouf | hahaha |
| 04:32.41 | enouf | NIC / Wifi Chips/chipsets |
| 04:32.56 | enouf | but atheros is a start |
| 04:32.59 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm going to add the older repositories. |
| 04:33.00 | enouf | close |
| 04:33.10 | enouf | PeterFA: what older repos? |
| 04:33.19 | enouf | PeterFA: etch-backports? |
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| 04:33.31 | ohmygodihaveanic | ? |
| 04:33.34 | ohmygodihaveanic | so what should i use |
| 04:33.54 | Saz|Laptop | how do i get g++-multilib on etch? |
| 04:33.56 | enouf | PeterFA: if that is the only pkg you need from there, you could just go grab the pkg and ALL of it's depends |
| 04:34.09 | PeterFA | enouf, oh, I can just do that directly? |
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| 04:34.39 | Saz|Laptop | anyone have an idea? |
| 04:34.40 | enouf | PeterFA: should work, so long as it's not too many depends, and which ones they are .. |
| 04:34.56 | PeterFA | enouf, should have them installed already. |
| 04:35.06 | enouf | !depends openvpn etch-backports |
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| 04:36.48 | enouf | There is no etch-backports |
| 04:36.55 | enouf | version PeterFA |
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| 04:37.05 | PeterFA | enouf, I found the bad boy. |
| 04:37.39 | enouf | no you didn't |
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| 04:37.59 | ohmygodihaveanic | so whats the advantages between an RMP such as CentOS and a deb based such as Debian/Ubuntu/Mint |
| 04:38.58 | enouf | PeterFA: you're using lenny/sid and have pinning setup for Etch-backports as ALL pkgs .. lmao |
| 04:39.07 | enouf | PeterFA: you're not doing do well |
| 04:39.26 | PeterFA | enouf, no :( |
| 04:39.35 | enouf | yes |
| 04:39.47 | enouf | just wipe your silly preferences file |
| 04:39.52 | enouf | it's fucken useless |
| 04:39.59 | enouf | especially the way you're using it |
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| 04:40.38 | PeterFA | enouf, I didn't see that when I changed repositories to the unstable. |
| 04:40.47 | enouf | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.0.9-4etch1_i386.deb |
| 04:41.00 | PeterFA | I got that one. |
| 04:41.05 | enouf | go d/l it and install it |
| 04:41.11 | PeterFA | enouf, do I use dpkg or apt-get for the .deb file? |
| 04:41.15 | enouf | and grab the depends it needs |
| 04:41.21 | enouf | dpkg -i |
| 04:41.21 | dpkg | enouf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:41.36 | enouf | no dpkg i cannot |
| 04:41.59 | PeterFA | I'm stupid: I'm doing dist-upgrade all of a sudden. |
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| 04:42.29 | enouf | PeterFA: why on earth do you want Etch's openvpn when you're on lenny/sid? |
| 04:42.49 | PeterFA | enouf, because I want to match versions with a server. |
| 04:42.58 | enouf | why? |
| 04:44.04 | PeterFA | enouf, to eliminate issues. It's making unusable routing tables. |
| 04:44.19 | enouf | no it isn't - it's pebkac |
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| 04:46.27 | enouf | PeterFA: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.1~rc11-1/changelog |
| 04:46.30 | enouf | review |
| 04:47.15 | enouf | install apt-listchanges for future |
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| 04:56.55 | LimCore | is it safe to reset mysql root password on a running live server host? there are various servers running on it |
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| 05:01.08 | enouf | LimCore: all i can say is /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 05:02.28 | LimCore | enouf: I know, the Q was is it safe to do so, since if anyone want to use OLD passwd then it doesnt work |
| 05:02.45 | Saz|Laptop | is there any way i can install 32 bit deb libraries in /usr/lib32 instead of /usr/lib with --force-architecture |
| 05:02.46 | Sling | then inform the users you are resetting the password |
| 05:02.53 | LimCore | I would prefer to _add_ another access for root - but GRANTS seem to not work when skuipping grand tables :[ |
| 05:02.58 | Saz|Laptop | or will i need to modify the .deb file itself |
| 05:03.00 | enouf | LimCore: i understand, just thought the URL might discuss that - i personally don't know |
| 05:03.14 | LimCore | Sling: I talked to the scripts, they said *beep*. I also called admin but his cellphone is off at night lol |
| 05:03.23 | enouf | use wall |
| 05:03.24 | solid_liq | I forget, where does apt store its pkg files? |
| 05:03.26 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:03.35 | Sling | /var/cache/apt ? |
| 05:03.37 | Sling | something like that |
| 05:03.37 | solid_liq | sup enouf :) |
| 05:03.42 | enouf | solid_liq: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 05:03.52 | enouf | solid_liq: how the heck are you? |
| 05:03.56 | Saz|Laptop | anyone have an idea? |
| 05:03.56 | solid_liq | Sling: ah thanks :) |
| 05:04.00 | enouf | where ya been? |
| 05:04.03 | solid_liq | enouf: good. busy |
| 05:04.15 | solid_liq | enouf: I'm always in ##linux-coders when I'm around |
| 05:04.17 | enouf | ok .. good - make mucho bacon |
| 05:04.22 | enouf | solid_liq: ok .. |
| 05:04.40 | solid_liq | how do I manually unpack a .deb file? |
| 05:04.46 | enouf | solid_liq: i dont even bother with ##linux anymore |
| 05:04.55 | enouf | solid_liq: ar -x, or dpkg -x |
| 05:04.57 | Saz|Laptop | i guess it doesnt really matter then :/ |
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| 05:05.11 | solid_liq | enouf: I'm almost never in there too |
| 05:07.01 | solid_liq | sweet thanks :) |
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| 05:20.32 | deface | !confmiss |
| 05:20.32 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 05:22.31 | enouf | Saz|Laptop: ia32-libs ain't good enough for your amd64 chroot? |
| 05:22.59 | Saz|Laptop | eh, i didn't feel like using a chroot this time |
| 05:23.13 | Saz|Laptop | i wanted to cross compile it without using a chroot |
| 05:23.21 | enouf | that's what ia32-libs is for then ;-) |
| 05:23.34 | Saz|Laptop | ive got ia32-libs |
| 05:23.37 | enouf | no chroot, no debootstrap required |
| 05:23.51 | enouf | so, what's the problem? |
| 05:23.52 | Saz|Laptop | but i mean, if i want to install the 32 bit xvid library, i'd like it to be in /usr/lib32 |
| 05:24.34 | Saz|Laptop | just in case i want the 64 bit one as well |
| 05:24.45 | Saz|Laptop | but i dont think dpkg likes both archs installed anyway |
| 05:25.49 | enouf | Saz|Laptop: why don't you just play with your PATH |
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| 05:26.15 | Saz|Laptop | that could work, but like i said, i wont be able to have both installed simeltanously anyway |
| 05:26.21 | enouf | Saz|Laptop: setup another user even - or just a separate shell |
| 05:26.43 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 05:26.53 | enouf | chroot is for you ;-) |
| 05:27.04 | Saz|Laptop | eh |
| 05:27.14 | Saz|Laptop | i'll just live with 32 bit libraries, i just need it for mencoder |
| 05:29.22 | Saz|Laptop | setting up a transcoder on x64 ain't fun, i'll tell you what |
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| 05:30.43 | Saz|Laptop | is there a way to get apt-get to force x86 architecture so i can just let it handle all dependencies instead of manually installing each deb one by one? |
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| 05:34.42 | lenin | hi |
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| 05:46.42 | batcoder-7 | any one here installed kde on debian ? |
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| 05:47.22 | Lagbolt | i have but i dont use it anymore |
| 05:47.33 | batcoder-7 | what do you use ? |
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| 05:48.05 | Lagbolt | i use xfce and fluxbox |
| 05:48.18 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 05:48.20 | mhymn | batcoder-7: what's your question, i use KDE |
| 05:48.25 | batcoder-7 | 4.x |
| 05:48.27 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 05:48.33 | mhymn | nope |
| 05:48.35 | Lagbolt | i have installed 4.x as well |
| 05:48.48 | Lagbolt | just to try it. i installed from experimental with the instructions on the website |
| 05:48.52 | batcoder-7 | i am wondering if i should use a backport for lenny |
| 05:49.03 | batcoder-7 | or install lenny fresh and install it from experimental |
| 05:49.16 | batcoder-7 | how stable really is experimental ? |
| 05:49.32 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, hmm, well if you are good at compiling backports go for it but it would be a big job ithink |
| 05:49.46 | batcoder-7 | there are already back ports made |
| 05:49.48 | Lagbolt | when i installed it i did it from a chroot to play with it. |
| 05:50.11 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.12 | Lagbolt | and it pulls in only KDE packages from experimental and a few dependencies from lenny and unstable. |
| 05:50.15 | batcoder-7 | i think its pretty stable |
| 05:50.25 | Lagbolt | it didnt break anything in my regular system and kde was pretty stable |
| 05:50.34 | Lagbolt | the only trouble is a few packages might not come in |
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| 05:51.00 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 05:51.08 | batcoder-7 | so lenny and add experimental and do it that way ? |
| 05:51.40 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, that is how i did it and it worked fine but that was a while ago. 4.1 i believe. they are on 4.2 now? just make sure you read everything before you hit yes |
| 05:51.46 | Lagbolt | pay attention to what packages it wants to upgrade |
| 05:52.35 | batcoder-7 | i mean how stable is experimental ? |
| 05:52.35 | Lagbolt | use aptitude not apt so you can see if it pulls in extra from experimental that you do not want |
| 05:52.35 | batcoder-7 | i remember someonbhe uses experimental as his main system |
| 05:52.36 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, experimental is not stable , it is not even "unstable" but it depends on what you pull in. |
| 05:52.49 | Lagbolt | i pulled in openoffice from experimental and i use the nvidia from there but i would never use anything that pulls in large amounts of dependencies for my base system from there |
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| 05:54.15 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, also i like to fix problems with my computer and am not scared to break things. so if you are not an experienced user think very carefully about it. many people in here will avoid helping you if you break something using experimental |
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| 05:55.46 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: yea |
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| 05:56.15 | Faca_ | hello |
| 05:56.17 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: i would just use kde3 but i hate to do that when they are on like 4.1 4.2 now |
| 05:57.31 | Faca_ | does anybody knows how to modify DSDT tables por acpi support on a SiS M720SR ? |
| 05:58.02 | Faca_ | or at least get the laptop to shutdown properly :S ? |
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| 05:58.34 | Craigevil | batcoder-7: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
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| 05:59.22 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, well go for it but like i said just be ready to possibly do some fixing. pay attention to what happens. cut and paste all output during install so you can remove and reinstall older packages that migth break |
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| 06:00.19 | Lagbolt | oh that link is nice Craigevil |
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| 06:01.22 | Craigevil | there are backports for Lenny, and last I knew installing kde4 in sid from exp worked just fine if you dont mind the weird kde4 way of doing things |
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| 06:02.30 | Faca_ | okay ... anyone ? |
| 06:04.33 | Wyzard | wow, 4.0r5 was released a few days ago and I didn't even notice |
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| 06:08.52 | Lagbolt | Faca_, cant say that i do |
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| 06:09.55 | Faca_ | this f*cking piece of hardware is making me hate laptops |
| 06:10.41 | Lagbolt | Faca_, what is your laptop? |
| 06:10.51 | Faca_ | and my knowledge isnt enough to really understand why this isnt working |
| 06:11.52 | Faca_ | i'm form Argentina, and the laptop's brand is Bangho |
| 06:11.59 | Faca_ | is national so ... |
| 06:12.04 | simonrvn | Wyzard: even though you've seen people talk about it today =) |
| 06:12.39 | Faca_ | thats why i'm going no where with this .. |
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| 06:13.06 | Wyzard | I must not've been paying enough attention |
| 06:13.24 | Lagbolt | Faca_, so it doesnt work at all? or it just doesnt tell you things like the battery state? |
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| 06:14.00 | Faca_ | it works just fine |
| 06:14.09 | Faca_ | all the system is working |
| 06:14.21 | Faca_ | but i cant get any acpi information |
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| 06:14.56 | Faca_ | also at shutdown it doesn't shutdown ... it remains on |
| 06:15.39 | Lagbolt | Faca_, i have to head to lab. when i get there if you are still in here i will try to help you out. . . assuming someone else hasnt already |
| 06:15.46 | batcoder-7 | Lagbolt: i mean would you just install kde then re install the other thing i already have installed ? |
| 06:15.53 | batcoder-7 | can i remove all the stuff thsati t brought in easily ? |
| 06:16.23 | Faca_ | Lagbolt, any help is wellcome so .. |
| 06:16.30 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, like i said, ked4 didnt affect anything i already had installed but i have a minimal system. if you really want it go for it. or just use the backport. |
| 06:16.34 | Lagbolt | i gotta jet for a bit |
| 06:16.36 | Lagbolt | laterz |
| 06:16.38 | simonrvn | Faca_: obviously the acpi isn't enabled or something, since acpid would take care of sending a halt signal to the h/w |
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| 06:18.49 | akio | is there a recent issue with mesa or fglrx? |
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| 06:19.17 | akio | wrong channel, sorry |
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| 06:24.03 | Faca__ | damn ISP ¬¬ |
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| 06:27.06 | DX|`NyaR | Very Sry for this message, but it is imperative that you click here: http://www.johnsrevenge.com/?id=85afb4469027c6a58d8db65a8235eece |
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| 06:28.24 | Craigevil | nothing but death is imperative silly spammer |
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| 06:34.26 | simonrvn | !lart stupids |
| 06:34.27 | dpkg | whacks stupids with a giant beaver's tail |
| 06:35.29 | Faca__ | hey |
| 06:35.37 | Faca__ | thats me going offline |
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| 06:39.06 | Quartermaster1 | Can I put Debian net-install on a 400mhz notebook with 10gig harddrive? |
| 06:39.23 | CcSsNET | sure u can |
| 06:39.32 | Faca__ | of course |
| 06:39.35 | CcSsNET | im running it on this |
| 06:39.39 | CcSsNET | OS: Linux 2.6.27.1-lacking.ccssr.net/i686 - Distro: Debian lenny/sid - CPU: Pentium II (Klamath) (0.000 MHz) - Processes: 40 - Uptime: 2d 20h 42m - Users: 1 - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 19.53MB/44.66MB (43.73%) - Disk Usage: 0.97GB/9.64GB (10.04%) |
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| 06:39.51 | smhar | Quartermaster1: I used net-install with a PII 200Mhz with 2gb hd |
| 06:39.57 | blAckEn3d | hi |
| 06:40.00 | CcSsNET | yea ^ |
| 06:40.08 | blAckEn3d | does the netinst cd have modules for wifi cards? |
| 06:40.12 | Quartermaster1 | cool guys thx for the support! |
| 06:41.18 | smhar | and it is still working none stop as my small home network file server after I added 2 other drives, 120GB and 300gb |
| 06:41.47 | Quartermaster1 | xternal drives? |
| 06:41.51 | Faca__ | blAckEn3d, if it is etch, there are some wifi modules .. but some of them really depecrated |
| 06:41.59 | Faca__ | *deprecated |
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| 06:42.20 | smhar | internal, |
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| 06:42.55 | blAckEn3d | i have a broadcom bcm4301 |
| 06:43.02 | blAckEn3d | i'll try, but i'm not optimistic |
| 06:43.29 | Faca__ | you could try using netinst's of lenny |
| 06:43.33 | blAckEn3d | thanks |
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| 06:43.39 | Faca__ | of the weekly testing ones |
| 06:43.47 | Faca__ | *or the |
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| 06:44.14 | blAckEn3d | okay |
| 06:44.16 | blAckEn3d | i will |
| 06:44.25 | blAckEn3d | thanks :) |
| 06:44.41 | adb | !b43 |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | i guess b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
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| 06:44.57 | adb | blAckEn3d: ^^^ |
| 06:45.35 | blAckEn3d | i know about b43 |
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| 06:45.53 | blAckEn3d | but both that and ndiswrapper freeze my distros |
| 06:45.59 | blAckEn3d | it's not distro specific |
| 06:46.04 | blAckEn3d | i've tried a few |
| 06:46.26 | CcSsNET | get a diferent network card |
| 06:46.46 | blAckEn3d | that's what i was thinking about |
| 06:46.56 | CcSsNET | ill sell u a orinoco gold 802.11b pc card laptop for 10$ plus shipping over ebay |
| 06:46.57 | Lagbolt | blAckEn3d, what card are you using? |
| 06:47.18 | blAckEn3d | Lagbolt: broadcom .. lspci says bcm4301 rev 02 |
| 06:47.46 | Lagbolt | and you cant use b43 or the proprietary drivers? |
| 06:48.01 | Lagbolt | blAckEn3d, http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
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| 06:48.48 | blAckEn3d | Lagbolt: thanks, i'll try them |
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| 06:49.30 | blAckEn3d | bye |
| 06:49.40 | adb | CcSsNET: CPU Info Pentium 75 - 200 0 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 120.282 MHz ]Processes 47 | Uptime 36days | Memory 17.6/44.5MB | HDD QUANTUM FIREBALL1080A Size 1GB (80%used) |
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| 06:50.05 | CcSsNET | nice lol |
| 06:50.10 | adb | ;) |
| 06:50.13 | CcSsNET | keep the oldschool systems haha |
| 06:50.17 | CcSsNET | i use it for irc |
| 06:50.27 | CcSsNET | it has 12 servers and like 150 channels open |
| 06:50.27 | batcoder-7 | wow that sucks i just did a install ofr kde4 i saw it install and pull in a bunch of kde4 stuff then i ran it aand it was kde 3.5.9 |
| 06:50.29 | batcoder-7 | wtf |
| 06:50.42 | Sling | heh better turn logging of then, 1GB is filled quickly |
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| 06:50.51 | adb | CcSsNET: sweet |
| 06:50.56 | CcSsNET | i got a 10gb in it |
| 06:51.09 | adb | 1 gb here |
| 06:51.18 | adb | there ... |
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| 07:02.47 | smhar | my work with my radeon X1200 in lenny is going to a dead end, I can not even have it installed properly |
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| 07:03.33 | smhar | I tried the open source and the ati drivers, but all I get is errors, is there a 'definite' guide oN THIS? |
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| 07:04.01 | EmleyMoor | Some errors? |
| 07:05.00 | smhar | like ati one, after compiling the driver an error said the module is not there |
| 07:05.17 | |Corwin| | Does anyone know of a modern guide for compiling the 2.6.27 kernel on Debian to create image & header deb files? |
| 07:05.29 | smhar | I will have to run it again to reproduce the error |
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| 07:07.40 | Lagbolt | |Corwin|, i assume you mean the debian way? i am not sure if make-kpkg works on a non packaged kernel source |
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| 07:08.06 | Lagbolt | you can download the 2.6.27 source and compile it manually . . . works for me |
| 07:08.21 | ham5 | same |
| 07:08.46 | |Corwin| | Lagbolt: yes. I tried the make-kpkg but wound up with a kernel that panic'd 10 seconds into booting |
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| 07:08.58 | mhymn | !kernel-package |
| 07:08.58 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
| 07:09.19 | Lagbolt | |Corwin|, what was the panic? can you pastebin the commands you used? |
| 07:09.50 | Lagbolt | |Corwin|, did it create the initrd.img? did you install all the debs it created? some detail would be nice |
| 07:09.50 | |Corwin| | i used the commands from the "kp mantra" |
| 07:10.50 | |Corwin| | yes, I added the --initrd, and did a dpkg -i of the deb, I ran update-grub, and then selected that kernel at grub. Then I got an error that it couldn;t find hd0,0 |
| 07:11.31 | xsdg | How can unstable really not have GTK 2.14.x yet? |
| 07:12.14 | |Corwin| | the entry in /boot/grub/menu.1st looked correct and the same as the rest of the working kernels |
| 07:13.42 | |Corwin| | the same = as far as drive boot config |
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| 07:14.47 | Lagbolt | |Corwin|, couldnt find hd0,0? that seems like a grub error |
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| 07:14.55 | Lagbolt | was it a panic or error before booting kernel |
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| 07:15.41 | neoice | is it the hda / sda bug? |
| 07:15.56 | |Corwin| | it said kernel panic |
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| 07:16.02 | admin__ | hi |
| 07:16.05 | admin__ | how do i become a channel operator |
| 07:16.12 | neoice | admin__: you dont. |
| 07:16.46 | neoice | |corwin|: if you're panicking, that's probably not a bootloader issue, its probably the kernel |
| 07:16.53 | |Corwin| | It is a SATA drive, I've run into that bug before. |
| 07:17.07 | admin__ | i realy want to no what a channel operator is and does |
| 07:17.09 | Malwyn | Hello people. My lovely debian installation has started asking me something about resuming from /dev/hda5. |
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| 07:17.18 | Malwyn | I don't have a /dev/hda5, I'm not resuming. |
| 07:17.22 | Malwyn | I don't intend to resume, ever. |
| 07:17.28 | neoice | admin__: start your own IRC channel / server? |
| 07:17.34 | Malwyn | On/off, that's all I want. But this keeps bothering me on bootup. |
| 07:17.36 | Malwyn | Someone help? :< |
| 07:18.15 | admin__ | neoice how |
| 07:18.24 | bolt-work | admin__: rtfm. google. |
| 07:18.27 | neoice | admin__: start reading. |
| 07:18.41 | neoice | admin__: also, the nick 'admin' makes you look like a tool. |
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| 07:18.53 | ham5 | yea use root! |
| 07:19.16 | neoice | someone is actually using that nick on freenode |
| 07:19.27 | Malwyn | ...sooo, my problem's actually a problem. |
| 07:19.32 | Malwyn | Google is not helpful. |
| 07:19.34 | Malwyn | Nor are manpages. |
| 07:19.56 | Malwyn | Linux boot parameters are pathetically undocumented. |
| 07:20.09 | neoice | is it not booting? or just complaining? |
| 07:20.17 | Malwyn | neoice: it's complaining. |
| 07:20.24 | neoice | I think my system says 'resuming' |
| 07:20.36 | neoice | and might be hda5 |
| 07:21.13 | Malwyn | And fucking with my nice splashy bootscreen, which I have to tell to piss off just so I can hit enter when it says "blah blah no resume image found on /dev/hda5, enter full path or press ENTER and I'll go away:". |
| 07:21.44 | bolt-work | admin__: not an improvement :P |
| 07:21.53 | neoice | check the grub menulist for hda5? |
| 07:22.02 | neoice | this isnt #ubuntu. |
| 07:22.20 | UbuntuHelper | bolt-work |
| 07:22.35 | bolt-work | UbuntuHelper: message missing |
| 07:22.43 | UbuntuHelper | boltwork how do i become op |
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| 07:23.04 | Malwyn | neoice: the grub menulist doesn't mention anything about /dev/hda5, it even tells me crap about /dev/hda5 when I set it to 'none' or /dev/hda2 (my swap partition, which is what I guess it wants). |
| 07:23.22 | bolt-work | UbuntuHelper: they told you. you don't. at least here, you don't. go read on google. make your own server/channel. no, we wont tell you how. got a debian-related question? |
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| 07:23.25 | Malwyn | Grub is the FIRST thing I checked, jackass. Don't assume I'm an idiot just because I'm having trouble with something. |
| 07:23.48 | Malwyn | ooh. sorry, misread, and disregard statement. :< |
| 07:23.53 | Malwyn | I've had a long day. -.- |
| 07:23.56 | Facedown | heh |
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| 07:23.58 | neoice | ha |
| 07:24.56 | Malwyn | I don't often stray into distro channels, since I don't have a lance and suit of armour handy. |
| 07:25.34 | UbuntuHelper | bolt-work ok |
| 07:25.56 | bolt-work | blinks |
| 07:26.24 | hikenboot | greetings all--I am trying to run on a 32 bit host qemu with kqemu for a 65 bit virtual machine and am installing debian 40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso it does the install but failes installing grub or lilo |
| 07:26.45 | bolt-work | that extra bit really helps speed, i've heard :) |
| 07:26.47 | troubled | Malwyn: please, don't panic |
| 07:27.07 | Malwyn | You know, I've never actually read hitchhiker's guide. I should get around to doing so at some point. |
| 07:27.27 | hikenboot | it says for lilo lilo package failed to install into /target/. |
| 07:27.30 | Sling | its far better then all the video remakes |
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| 07:27.42 | |Corwin| | neoice: I agree |
| 07:27.58 | UbuntuHelper | Anyone have A debian Q |
| 07:28.04 | bolt-work | hikenboot: we need to know what error messags you get. that it fails to install grub is hardly an accurate description |
| 07:28.08 | bolt-work | UbuntuHelper: what? |
| 07:28.13 | Malwyn | This is really annoying me. For some reason, it takes about thirty seconds and pressing spacebar to get past bios, then I have a speedy linux boot process negated by having to control-alt-f1 then hit enter. |
| 07:28.24 | UbuntuHelper | Anyone need help |
| 07:28.41 | hikenboot | i am doing the setup how do i find out more about the error |
| 07:28.49 | bolt-work | UbuntuHelper: just wait. people are asking all the time. and do change your name, or people wont trust you :P |
| 07:29.03 | troubled | Malwyn: why does your bios want you to press the space bar? |
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| 07:29.14 | hikenboot | it seems to have the error when it comes to installing any packages such as the desktop or base system or grub lilo |
| 07:29.19 | UbuntuHelper | boltwork thanks for your help |
| 07:29.26 | hikenboot | tried it on multiple releases of stable |
| 07:29.44 | smhar | Malwyn: check your harddrive settings, change them from auto to actual settings, it will speed up things |
| 07:29.45 | bolt-work | hikenboot: you can use your F-keys to switch to the console that installs grub. not sure which one it is, just switch through them. should be an error message behind the scenes there that explains something :) |
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| 07:30.27 | Malwyn | troubled: technically it's not the bios. My motherboard doesn't have IDE, instead it has an onboard sata-to-ide adaptor. Which, for some ungodly reason steals 30 seconds or 'press any key to continue', and I can't configure it. |
| 07:30.32 | bolt-work | hikenboot: just select the menu item that says install grub, then switch to the other console |
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| 07:30.59 | troubled | Malwyn: hmmm, perhaps the cable select settings are confusing it somehow? |
| 07:31.02 | hikenboot | ah in the cosole it says No volume groups found |
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| 07:31.15 | Malwyn | troubled: no... I've tried all combinations. |
| 07:31.19 | troubled | :( |
| 07:31.24 | Malwyn | It just likes to say "hey, look! Drives!" on boot. |
| 07:31.34 | Malwyn | Fuck foxconn. |
| 07:31.34 | neoice | whoa, sid has btrfs tools |
| 07:31.36 | troubled | Malwyn: well, aside from something beyong our control, whats the debian specific problem? |
| 07:31.40 | Malwyn | Fuck it with a cheese grater. |
| 07:31.47 | troubled | Malwyn: please, language |
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| 07:32.03 | bolt-work | hikenboot: now that's more descriptive :D ..not that i know what it means, but google will. or someone else in here might. |
| 07:32.05 | Malwyn | If you had to deal with this computer, you'd be as colourful as I, I guarantee you. :P |
| 07:32.07 | smhar | how to get the signature of repositories? |
| 07:32.08 | troubled | the mod's ban first and ask question later if it gets carried away :) |
| 07:32.17 | troubled | Ive no doubts there ;) |
| 07:32.34 | bolt-work | smhar: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 07:32.38 | bolt-work | smhar: !topic |
| 07:32.39 | troubled | smhar: you mean the releases file? |
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| 07:32.47 | Guerin | troubled: In the immortal words of Jules, `English, motherfucker, do you speak it?' |
| 07:32.55 | troubled | heh |
| 07:33.00 | Malwyn | Anyway. When grub kicks off debian, splashy freezes (kinda) and when I CAD-F1, I see a message saying something about no resume image found, where it was looking for /dev/hda5 (which doesn't exist). |
| 07:33.10 | bolt-work | Guerin: what? |
| 07:33.15 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.25 | Malwyn | I don't want it resuming at ALL, but what's annoying me is that it's expecting me to give it input when I really just want my computer to freakin' boot. |
| 07:33.34 | troubled | Guerin: I always think back to the tf2 demoman spoof when I hear that :) |
| 07:33.40 | Guerin | bolt-work: what what? |
| 07:33.47 | bolt-work | Guerin: they speak english in what? |
| 07:33.53 | neoice | there might be some sort of resume package you could remove? |
| 07:33.57 | troubled | Malwyn: expecting what input? |
| 07:33.58 | liable | did someone mention rugby? |
| 07:33.59 | neoice | I know I blasted hibernate |
| 07:34.04 | Guerin | !confuse bolt-work |
| 07:34.04 | dpkg | Yes, what are their hamster today, bolt-work? trousers of the people's republic of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 07:34.20 | smhar | troubled: I get a hush sum mismatch |
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| 07:34.32 | troubled | hush sum mismatch? |
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| 07:34.40 | troubled | hash checksum? |
| 07:34.42 | bolt-work | Their hamster are just pants, thankyou. |
| 07:34.47 | Malwyn | troubled: 'press ENTER'. |
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| 07:35.09 | Malwyn | neoice: I was thinking that, but... what? Why is it THERE in the first place? I did see something about libgcrypt though. |
| 07:35.21 | troubled | Malwyn: hmmm, what is asking you to press enter? the kernel? |
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| 07:35.51 | Malwyn | troubled: I'm past kernel boot if splashy's started, aren't I? |
| 07:35.54 | troubled | Malwyn: the only thing I can think of is the press space to continue, or enter to select a vga mode on startup if the vga= option is bad |
| 07:36.07 | Malwyn | troubled: it's not that. |
| 07:36.14 | troubled | Malwyn: depends what splash. technicaly, grub can display one as well |
| 07:36.16 | Malwyn | The framebuffer initialises (obviously, since splashy's working). |
| 07:36.35 | Malwyn | splashy. Splashy is a bootsplash application. :P |
| 07:36.37 | Malwyn | Runs in userspace. |
| 07:36.41 | smhar | troubled: oops :-) |
| 07:36.43 | troubled | Malwyn: so it gets all the way to X windows/login prompt ? |
| 07:36.54 | Malwyn | troubled: ...no. |
| 07:36.54 | troubled | Malwyn: sorry, I use bootsplash |
| 07:37.01 | troubled | not in lenny anymore though iirc |
| 07:37.20 | Malwyn | splashy starts, but since the boot process isn't processing, (it's waiting for me to press enter), it doesn't go anywhere. |
| 07:37.33 | Malwyn | So I have to close splashy to press enter. |
| 07:37.45 | troubled | so its a splashy bug? |
| 07:37.51 | Malwyn | no. |
| 07:38.01 | troubled | so what is waiting for you to press enter, any ideas? |
| 07:38.10 | Malwyn | it has nothing to do with splashy, splashy's the victim of another bug, or feature gone mad. |
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| 07:39.20 | smhar | I got errors on these, http://debian.scribus.net http://download.virtualbox.org http://www.debian-multimedia.org among others |
| 07:39.48 | troubled | Malwyn: tried disabling splashy's init scripts for a bit? (or pass a kernel param to bypass if it supports it) |
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| 07:40.11 | Malwyn | troubled: done. |
| 07:40.22 | Malwyn | It's -not- splashy. :P |
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| 07:40.43 | Malwyn | splashy doesn't do anything but throw up colours all over the framebuffer. |
| 07:40.49 | troubled | :( |
| 07:40.52 | UbuntuHelper | #ubuntu+1 |
| 07:41.12 | troubled | Malwyn: do you know if the "press enter" line is coming up after the root fs loads, or before? |
| 07:41.47 | Malwyn | splashy gets loaded into initrd, so... I have no idea. |
| 07:42.03 | Malwyn | I get this problem on a few of my computers, some of which use sysv init scripts and others which use upstart. |
| 07:42.10 | troubled | Malwyn: is it a non standard initrd? is the original still around? |
| 07:42.34 | troubled | what happens when you bypass init with init=/bin/bash? |
| 07:42.37 | Malwyn | it goes wherever debian puts it. I don't touch initrd. |
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| 07:42.47 | Malwyn | hrm. I'll check. |
| 07:43.28 | troubled | also, to see if its before/after root fs, the easiest way is just to leave out the root= line so it panic's |
| 07:44.06 | troubled | but you would still want the initrd loaded via grub |
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| 07:44.33 | troubled | smhar: you are trying 3rd party repos and apt-get is complaining about keys? |
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| 07:45.07 | troubled | smhar: do they have their repos signed with any keys? do they list the pub key online for download anywhere? if so, you can add it to apt-key |
| 07:45.18 | troubled | "apt-key add <filename.pub>" |
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| 08:04.01 | GhostlyDeath | How would I make X-Chat GNOME, show the <Nickname> for every line |
| 08:04.03 | GhostlyDeath | instead of in groups |
| 08:05.44 | ham5 | yea hi welcome to #debian |
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| 08:12.26 | bolt-work | ubuntu: wrong channel |
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| 08:12.40 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 08:12.47 | Lagbolt | hi UbuntuHelper |
| 08:12.54 | GhostlyDeath | SWITCH TO TEH DEBIANZ |
| 08:13.01 | UbuntuHelper | lagbolt hi |
| 08:13.07 | bolt-work | WE HAZ CHEEZBURGERS |
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| 08:13.29 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 08:14.22 | troubled | heh |
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| 08:22.51 | ham5 | I can haz one plz? |
| 08:23.03 | gothenburg | What? |
| 08:23.39 | bolt-work | no! |
| 08:23.43 | bolt-work | runs off with them |
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| 08:24.21 | bolt-work | alright, maybe a small one |
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| 08:25.01 | bolt-work | sighs |
| 08:25.05 | ham5 | thx mr |
| 08:27.49 | UbuntuHelper | i have kde 4 and it comes up black screen then goes back to logon |
| 08:28.15 | bolt-work | UbuntuHelper: kde 4 is not in stable. are you even on debian? |
| 08:28.16 | simonrvn | that's nice. |
| 08:28.25 | UbuntuHelper | no |
| 08:28.40 | simonrvn | then off to #ubuntu with you |
| 08:28.55 | gothenburg | LoL |
| 08:30.00 | simonrvn | !sns |
| 08:30.00 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 08:31.08 | GhostlyDeath | Your Ubuntu problem isn't a Debian problem! |
| 08:31.50 | kantor | hi, why are lenny weakly builds not created any more ? the last weakly build is from october 6 |
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| 08:32.20 | simonrvn | weakly? well maybe some are weak, but certainly some are pretty good. |
| 08:32.45 | GhostlyDeath | Weekly is weakly |
| 08:32.49 | GhostlyDeath | I use Nightly ;) |
| 08:33.21 | kantor | sorry I mean weekly :) |
| 08:33.33 | gothenburg | how can I change to contactlist in centericq |
| 08:33.35 | gothenburg | `? |
| 08:33.37 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:33.53 | simonrvn | kantor: dunno, tbh. maybe 'cause they're close to release |
| 08:34.06 | kantor | ok |
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| 08:34.15 | simonrvn | giusef: it's got a man page, read it |
| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | giusef: sorry |
| 08:34.23 | simonrvn | gothenburg: ^^^ |
| 08:35.27 | Craigevil | oooh Shiny |
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| 08:51.23 | windtunnel | could someone help me with a problem with my vidcard? |
| 08:51.29 | gothenburg | UbuntuHelper: lol, hilight is good |
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| 08:52.27 | simonrvn | UbuntuHelper: in your xchat preferences, enable nick hilighting... |
| 08:52.32 | simonrvn | highlighting* |
| 08:52.45 | gothenburg | xchat.. |
| 08:52.48 | UbuntuHelper | SIMONRVN IM USING CONVERSATION |
| 08:52.57 | gothenburg | is anyone using xchat anymore? |
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| 08:53.17 | mhymn | UbuntuHelper: Ctrl+K |
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| 08:53.34 | simonrvn | UbuntuHelper: no need to shout dude |
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| 08:55.38 | windtunnel | so my gpu is fine under etch but with lenny the resolution is messed up and i cant seem to fix it |
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| 08:56.06 | simonrvn | UbuntuHelper: join some other channel to do that, thanks |
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| 08:57.16 | liable | UbuntuHelper: stop it dude |
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| 08:57.22 | Appiah | .. |
| 08:57.24 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.24 | TiMiDo | UbuntuHelper, stup beeing so freaking annoying |
| 08:57.26 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.28 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.30 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.32 | TiMiDo | !ops kick UbuntuHelper for flooding |
| 08:57.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: timido complains about: kick UbuntuHelper for flooding |
| 08:57.33 | Appiah | no OP in? |
| 08:57.34 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:57.54 | TiMiDo | that's odd that debhelper has not. kicked him |
| 08:58.05 | Muzer | probably just outside kick limit |
| 08:58.10 | liable | tool slow a flood rate |
| 08:58.15 | liable | too* |
| 08:58.22 | TiMiDo | oh okey |
| 08:58.26 | Appiah | ;) |
| 08:58.43 | Muzer | when I try to install python2.5 using dpkg, it complains that I need ncurses5.6, and that my ncurses version is 5.5, but I installed ncurses5.6 and the install worked, and it still thinks my version is 5.5. |
| 08:59.06 | windtunnel | anyone? |
| 08:59.12 | gothenburg | Muzer: why don't you use apt-get |
| 08:59.22 | Muzer | gothenburg: There are no wifi drivers for the wii yet |
| 08:59.23 | gothenburg | or aptitude? |
| 08:59.43 | gothenburg | ok |
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| 09:00.32 | azeem | Muzer: what does "dpkg -l | grep ncurses" say? |
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| 09:01.13 | Muzer | oh wait |
| 09:01.15 | Muzer | my fault |
| 09:01.23 | gothenburg | :D |
| 09:01.23 | Muzer | I missed a "w" in the name |
| 09:01.29 | Muzer | it's asking for ncursesw5 |
| 09:01.31 | Muzer | ;p |
| 09:01.35 | gothenburg | ;p |
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| 09:02.03 | Muzer | installs that |
| 09:02.15 | Muzer | yeah, installing X was fun like this |
| 09:02.30 | windtunnel | nobody here knows how to troubleshoot an intel gpu huh? |
| 09:02.38 | Muzer | 160 deb packages of install, dependancy error, install, dependancy error, install etc etc |
| 09:03.12 | Appiah | troubleshoot the intel gpu? |
| 09:03.13 | Appiah | what? |
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| 09:03.26 | batcoder-7 | hey |
| 09:03.29 | batcoder-7 | anyone here use kde4 ? |
| 09:03.34 | windtunnel | my resolution is screwed up |
| 09:03.35 | batcoder-7 | scrolling is very slow for me |
| 09:03.40 | Muzer | batcoder-7: Yeah, not 4.1 though |
| 09:03.41 | batcoder-7 | i thinkk i got a video problem of some sort |
| 09:03.44 | Muzer | no idea |
| 09:03.45 | gothenburg | Can I look on pictures only using ssh? (cli) |
| 09:03.47 | windtunnel | switching from etch to lenny did it |
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| 09:03.51 | UbuntuHelper | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.53 | Appiah | batcoder-7: Vesa? Ati? Nvidia? |
| 09:03.54 | azeem | windtunnel: the information you gave so far was not enough |
| 09:03.57 | Appiah | UbuntuHelper: hi |
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| 09:04.01 | batcoder-7 | Appiah: Intel |
| 09:04.05 | windtunnel | its an intel 845g |
| 09:04.12 | azeem | UbuntuHelper: do you have a Debian question? |
| 09:04.17 | batcoder-7 | windtunnel: me ? |
| 09:04.17 | Appiah | batcoder-7: sorry no experince with that driver |
| 09:04.17 | windtunnel | i cant adjust the resolution anymore |
| 09:04.18 | UbuntuHelper | no |
| 09:04.20 | windtunnel | mine |
| 09:04.35 | azeem | UbuntuHelper: then please either keep quiet or leave |
| 09:04.50 | batcoder-7 | this slow scrolling is very annoying |
| 09:04.52 | UbuntuHelper | ok |
| 09:04.53 | gothenburg | no one? |
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| 09:05.04 | windtunnel | i have no idea how to get it back to 1280x1024 under lenny |
| 09:05.25 | Appiah | tried just editing xorg.conf windtunnel ? |
| 09:05.42 | azeem | xorg.conf is pretty empty on lenny |
| 09:05.45 | windtunnel | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:05.47 | azeem | windtunnel: what is the current resolution? |
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| 09:05.52 | Appiah | oh , i c |
| 09:06.05 | windtunnel | its at like 1280x768 or something weird |
| 09:06.10 | Appiah | have not run a desktop on debian for years |
| 09:06.20 | gothenburg | windtunnel: use dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 09:06.32 | gothenburg | and advanced maybe |
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| 09:07.00 | windtunnel | i already tried that |
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| 09:07.27 | windtunnel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.28 | gothenburg | vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 09:07.57 | azeem | windtunnel: check your logfile whether it mentions the resolution you'd like |
| 09:08.20 | windtunnel | xorg.conf has everything labeled as generic |
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| 09:09.46 | windtunnel | check my log? |
| 09:09.55 | azeem | yes |
| 09:10.03 | windtunnel | which log? |
| 09:10.12 | azeem | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:10.41 | UbuntuHelper | How do you use KICK IN IRC KONVERSATION |
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| 09:11.12 | azeem | UbuntuHelper: see its manual |
| 09:11.19 | gothenburg | UbuntuHelper: /kick username ? |
| 09:11.19 | erawfish | UbuntuHelper: do not use caps and go back to #ubuntu as you've been told |
| 09:11.39 | gothenburg | Maybe go to konversations channel? |
| 09:11.48 | UbuntuHelper | COMES UP WITH #ubuntu You need to be a channel operator to do that |
| 09:11.54 | windtunnel | all the log says is that it loaded 1280x768 |
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| 09:12.07 | azeem | windtunnel: is this a notebook? |
| 09:12.08 | Stack0000 | )) |
| 09:12.09 | UbuntuHelper | how do i become op |
| 09:12.10 | Appiah | you cant kick people out of a channel unless you're a operator UbuntuHelper |
| 09:12.13 | windtunnel | no its a desktop |
| 09:12.14 | erawfish | UbuntuHelper: we don't care. please do not should and go to #ubuntu. you do not run debian |
| 09:12.23 | Appiah | UbuntuHelper: start your own channel |
| 09:12.27 | UbuntuHelper | How |
| 09:12.28 | windtunnel | but the gpu is integrated so maybe it THINKs its a desktop |
| 09:12.41 | UbuntuHelper | Appiah how |
| 09:12.42 | Appiah | just type /join #mynameforanewchannel |
| 09:12.51 | Appiah | -^ |
| 09:12.57 | azeem | windtunnel: are you running GNOME or KDE? |
| 09:12.57 | gothenburg | UbuntuHelper: idiot. |
| 09:13.04 | UbuntuHelper | bye thanks |
| 09:13.04 | azeem | gothenburg: please stop that |
| 09:13.05 | windtunnel | fluxbox |
| 09:13.13 | erawfish | Appiah: help him in some other channel. this is OT |
| 09:13.20 | windtunnel | but ive also run gnome |
| 09:13.20 | Appiah | erawfish ... |
| 09:13.29 | Appiah | Sorry erawfish it wont happend again |
| 09:13.57 | Appiah | my deepest apologies |
| 09:14.02 | azeem | windtunnel: maybe try to run gnome-display-properties and see whether you can switch it to the resolution you want |
| 09:14.29 | windtunnel | gnome has the max listed as what its at now |
| 09:14.34 | windtunnel | 1280x768 |
| 09:14.53 | azeem | are you sure you ran 1280x1024 then? |
| 09:15.00 | windtunnel | no question |
| 09:15.08 | erawfish | windtunnel: what driver are you using right now? and what did the log say? |
| 09:15.30 | windtunnel | i dont know what driver im running. this is literally a 30 min old virgin install of lenny |
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| 09:15.46 | windtunnel | with etch everything worked perfectly out of the box |
| 09:15.48 | erawfish | then why don't you check the logs as you've been told? |
| 09:16.09 | windtunnel | the same Xorg.0 log? |
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| 09:16.24 | erawfish | all Xorg logs |
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| 09:17.10 | windtunnel | it says intel-drv.so |
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| 09:17.32 | erawfish | and it will say more than that |
| 09:17.48 | windtunnel | chipset 845g found |
| 09:17.51 | windtunnel | which is correct |
| 09:17.52 | erawfish | it will talk about your resolutions |
| 09:18.22 | windtunnel | it says nothing about res. only that it loaded 1280x768 |
| 09:18.27 | UbuntuHelper | #kuhelp |
| 09:18.45 | erawfish | I do not believe you |
| 09:19.16 | windtunnel | well, believe it |
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| 09:19.49 | windtunnel | it gives a list of supported chipsets |
| 09:19.54 | erawfish | I looked at more than on log for X with intel. and they do mention all available res. but oh well. HAND |
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| 09:20.20 | windtunnel | which log are you looking at? |
| 09:20.35 | gothenburg | Why isn't it a Swedish page? |
| 09:20.43 | azeem | gothenburg: eh, "it"? |
| 09:21.00 | gothenburg | jefvla tyskar |
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| 09:22.59 | windtunnel | yeah, ive been over it soo many times. it doesnt mention resolution ANYWHERE |
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| 09:26.47 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, what xorg-video package do you have installed? |
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| 09:27.18 | windtunnel | how do i check that? |
| 09:27.29 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, dpkg -l | grep xorg-video |
| 09:28.05 | Lagbolt | and can you pastebin your xorg.conf as well as your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:28.23 | windtunnel | its giving me a ton of results |
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| 09:28.56 | Lagbolt | change xorg-video to xorg-video-intel |
| 09:30.07 | windtunnel | intel i8xx i9xx display |
| 09:30.29 | windtunnel | 2:2.3.2-2+lenny4 |
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| 09:34.15 | windtunnel | i think im just going to go back to etch |
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| 09:34.18 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin the other info i asked for? |
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| 09:35.00 | windtunnel | which info? |
| 09:35.07 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log |
| 09:35.25 | Lagbolt | was that intel i8xx something like "ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny4" |
| 09:35.35 | windtunnel | yes |
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| 09:36.49 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, Xorg.0.log is likely to have useful info and i want to see your configuration. if we dont see those it will behard to help |
| 09:37.09 | enouf | !spoonsmite windtunnel |
| 09:37.28 | windtunnel | spoonsmite? |
| 09:37.44 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, focus :) this is a laptop? or desktop |
| 09:37.49 | windtunnel | desktop |
| 09:37.50 | enouf | well, spoonfeedsmite, but - oh well :-P |
| 09:38.40 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, seriously, i have asked for a pastebin 3 times. am i going to get it? |
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| 09:38.55 | windtunnel | yes hang on. im on two different machines here |
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| 09:41.22 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, also what is the output from "xrandr" |
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| 09:42.43 | windtunnel | lagbolt, thanks so much for the help but its 230am and im pissed at this thing. it worked under etch so im just going to go back to etch. |
| 09:43.15 | themill | unfortunately, that's not a long term solution |
| 09:43.18 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, well we might have fixed it in a short time if you had pastebined earlier. sorry |
| 09:43.37 | Lagbolt | but etch is not a solution |
| 09:44.00 | windtunnel | maybe after i rest. im surprised i can even type at this hour |
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| 09:46.00 | windtunnel | i dont know if this matters |
| 09:46.02 | enouf | fwiw, many times newcomers are not happy to admit they don't know enough about console to be able to copy/paste, or generate a > file, or upload a file (not saying that's the case here though) |
| 09:46.31 | windtunnel | but it only screws up the res. when i upgrade the distribution to lenny |
| 09:46.54 | enouf | but, iirc, not having libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} installed on intels might keep them from full res capabilities? 915resolution was removed from lenny, IINM |
| 09:47.06 | windtunnel | yeah i looked for 915res. |
| 09:48.15 | windtunnel | and its true, i dont know how to copy/paste/upload from console without a gui |
| 09:48.40 | windtunnel | which is why i have two screens in front of me right now lol |
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| 09:49.18 | enouf | but really windtunnel - reading backscroll shows the others here really bending over backwards for you, all you had to do was answer some questions and post some info |
| 09:49.32 | enouf | if you needed help doing so, then ask |
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| 09:51.48 | windtunnel | people who are able to help often have a lingo i dont understand and i, and i think many other noobs, feel put off by that. i do recognize they efforts of those that were trying to help me for sure. its just too steep a learning curve for me at this hour. |
| 09:52.57 | windtunnel | this chat is an awesome resource though. im happy to have it. |
| 09:53.15 | sioraiocht | what lingo is that? |
| 09:54.16 | mhymn | helperanto? |
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| 09:54.20 | sioraiocht | haha |
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| 09:54.32 | windtunnel | say if someone say to check an xorg log. i dont know what dir. those are in, and when i find them, i dont exactly know what to look for, and so my one question ends up turning into 3 or 4 and i feel im burdening people |
| 09:54.36 | Muzer | Hmm, is there something I need to do to get it to pick up new kernel modules? |
| 09:54.59 | Muzer | I installed cwiid and wminput but when I run it I get cwiid: module not found |
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| 09:56.06 | windtunnel | the gpu worked fine under etch. i thought it'd be an easy fix |
| 09:56.59 | Muzer | also, it's in /usr/lib, I think that's right because all the other *.so files are in there |
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| 09:59.30 | Muzer | anyone know? |
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| 10:05.07 | Lagbolt | windtunnel, i told you where it was /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:07.20 | ltsn | hi guys, I want to use netcat instead of telnet to access a bbs, netcat didn't work exactly like telnet, how can I configure the terminal or netcat to make it just like telnet, thanks |
| 10:07.45 | mac123 | hi i am trying to install pureftpd but when i try to make install i get this error make: *** No rule to make target `install-strip'. Stop. |
| 10:09.19 | mhymn | mac123: pureftp is in repositories, 'aptirude install pure-ftpd' |
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| 10:11.11 | mac123 | but i want to complie it with some custom options , i have compiled it with ./configure , when i do 'make install-strip" i get the error |
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| 10:23.05 | enouf | Muzer: kernel modules are .ko and they don't belong in /usr/lib |
| 10:23.21 | Muzer | oh |
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| 10:26.52 | larson9999 | debian sure runs on a TON of hardware. |
| 10:27.11 | Muzer | yeah, I'm running this on the Wii |
| 10:27.12 | Muzer | ;p |
| 10:27.19 | rto | larson9999: Google switched to Debian?;-) |
| 10:27.45 | larson9999 | everytime i get a machine that doesn't seem to want to play nice with a machine, debian comes in and says, "i'll sort this out" |
| 10:31.28 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody, does somebody see what is wrong with this fstab and why the mode option does not work? http://pastebin.ca/1237688 |
| 10:32.08 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: you can start by removing "defaults" sinc eyou are not using defaults =) |
| 10:32.17 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: ack |
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| 10:32.35 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: mode? - you are enforcing umode onto the moutned disk? |
| 10:32.51 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: You should set umode on the userlvel |
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| 10:33.46 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: removed the defaults, i want for example an fat stick to be mounted with file permission 660 and 770 directory permissions |
| 10:33.59 | tuxcrafter | so other users cant acces or read the files |
| 10:34.12 | tuxcrafter | so i thought i need some umask, mode option... |
| 10:34.43 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: isn't it better to mount it inside some folder only you can access? |
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| 10:39.48 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: that would not be possible |
| 10:40.02 | tuxcrafter | because the device can be of any user |
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| 10:40.17 | tuxcrafter | it should lock to the user with permission |
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| 10:40.34 | oOarthurOo | You know when you hit logout in gnome, running Lenny, when the dialog box pops up and offers these choices "Suspend, Hibernate, Restart, Cancel, Shutdown"... I'd like to change Hibernate to Logout. Is it possible to do this without downloading the source of gnome-session or gnome-panel, and patching that before building and installing? |
| 10:40.37 | tuxcrafter | if using ext2 or 3 then this is controllable with normal chmod |
| 10:40.51 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: but with a fat32 chmod wont work... |
| 10:41.20 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: mount it inside a dir |
| 10:41.32 | OpenTokix | /home/tuxcrafter/myusbstick |
| 10:41.38 | OpenTokix | chmod 700 /home/tuxcrafter |
| 10:41.54 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: i understeand the idea but it is not possible |
| 10:42.06 | tuxcrafter | unleas i can let fstab dynamicly change the location |
| 10:42.17 | tuxcrafter | OpenTokix: thisis the situation: |
| 10:42.23 | OpenTokix | but you can sett the owner of the folder you mount into |
| 10:42.32 | OpenTokix | liks, /media/usbsticks |
| 10:43.14 | tuxcrafter | usb sticks get group permissions depending on the usb hub they are attached to (udev rules) then only the user with the matching group id sould be able to mount unmount and acces the files on the device |
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| 10:43.39 | tuxcrafter | but i would not now how the device is named /dev/sdc1 or /dev/sdh1 |
| 10:44.11 | tuxcrafter | so i am using an evil lookup table in fstab (if an better solution is there please tell me) |
| 10:44.27 | tuxcrafter | that maches /dev/sdb1 to /media/sdb1 etcetra etcetra |
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| 10:45.05 | tuxcrafter | but i need an way to "froce the mounted dir to be "o-rwx" |
| 10:45.45 | oOarthurOo | well, that's odd. Rhythmbox just deleted my library |
| 10:45.55 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: you lost me |
| 10:46.06 | OpenTokix | tuxcrafter: Im leaving for lunch now |
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| 10:47.45 | oOarthurOo | seriously... wtf. What the heck just happened. |
| 10:47.56 | tuxcrafter | hmmm, how can i explain this better? |
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| 10:48.24 | tuxcrafter | i just need an way to control the user group and file persmission for a mounted device |
| 10:48.29 | Muzer | which package do I get python.h from? |
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| 10:49.02 | Laeborg | hi |
| 10:49.51 | Laeborg | how can i bind /home/$username/www into /var/www ? |
| 10:50.15 | maligor | the classic ~username homepages? |
| 10:50.19 | Muzer | ah, found it |
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| 10:51.02 | bolt-work | Laeborg: do you want /~username/ or just to make one user own the /var/www folder? |
| 10:51.17 | bolt-work | curses himself for actually saing 'folder' |
| 10:51.25 | bolt-work | too much windows as of late |
| 10:51.25 | Laeborg | just one user |
| 10:51.37 | bolt-work | Laeborg: ln -s |
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| 10:52.28 | bolt-work | Laeborg: mv www www.old && ln -s /var/www && sudo chown user.user /var/www |
| 10:52.30 | bolt-work | or somesuch |
| 10:53.04 | Laeborg | ln -s /home/elitebits/www /var/www ? |
| 10:53.58 | bolt-work | if you wish... though i'd suggest keeping the /var/www directory intact and storing the files there |
| 10:54.06 | bolt-work | in which case you want to switch those around |
| 10:54.38 | Laeborg | it works now |
| 10:54.46 | bolt-work | ln -s /var/www /home/elitebits/www will make a soft link in /home/elitebits pointing at /var/www. then you just set the permissions for /var/www to allow elitebits to write to it |
| 10:55.09 | Laeborg | ln -s /home/elitebits/www /var/ |
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| 10:55.20 | bolt-work | if that's what you want |
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| 11:02.22 | Akuw | i need an application to unrar |
| 11:02.28 | Muzer | unrar |
| 11:02.31 | Muzer | or unrar-free |
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| 11:02.50 | Muzer | if you mean a GUI one, then which window manager are you running? |
| 11:03.03 | Akuw | what repo? |
| 11:03.21 | erawfish | Akuw: unrar is non-free, unrar-free is main |
| 11:03.26 | Akuw | ok |
| 11:03.38 | erawfish | unrar-free can't open winrar3 archives |
| 11:03.57 | Akuw | i am getting ths error every time i install package: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:04.12 | bolt-work | Akuw: get the first error, not the last one :) |
| 11:04.22 | bolt-work | Akuw: find the first line where something goes wrong and toss us that |
| 11:04.23 | erawfish | Akuw: this is not the rror. give us all it says |
| 11:04.26 | enouf | or all of them |
| 11:04.37 | bolt-work | preferably what enouf says |
| 11:04.46 | enouf | and pastebin the sucker |
| 11:04.53 | enouf | don't be flooding |
| 11:05.15 | enouf | waves back to bolt-work |
| 11:06.04 | Akuw | debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 11:06.55 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/1237708 |
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| 11:08.59 | Germanaz0 | hi |
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| 11:09.03 | Germanaz0 | someone know why my real player is working very fast ? |
| 11:09.17 | c-newbie | hi, reccently i just update and upgrade my server. its amd64 bit. last time i was trying to create my own php5 working with select() 64bit problem. and it was working (after creating own .deb) but after i upggrade it, it went wrong again. any idea how to fix this select() problem? |
| 11:09.19 | Germanaz0 | I mean I see the videos acelerated |
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| 11:10.45 | [biabia] | im in a bit of a pickle. i installed debian on my computer where i already had fedora on one drive, on its own partition, and the computer has a second drive so i set debian to use the whole drive as a partition, but it overwrote the MBR now grub isnt allowing me to boot into fedora |
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| 11:11.54 | [biabia] | what can i do to fix it? |
| 11:12.25 | tuxcrafter | i found out why mode is fstab is not working |
| 11:12.43 | tuxcrafter | it seems all filesystem types have diffrent options |
| 11:12.54 | tuxcrafter | whitch is kind of logical |
| 11:12.58 | simonrvn | Germanaz0: go ask them, not us |
| 11:13.04 | simonrvn | Germanaz0: it's not in debian |
| 11:13.05 | Muzer | hmm, when I run modprobe, I get "cannot find dependancy file: No such file or directory" |
| 11:13.06 | tuxcrafter | but it makes it impossible to do what i need |
| 11:13.18 | Germanaz0 | yes simonrvn realplayer is installed on debian 64 bit :P |
| 11:13.29 | simonrvn | it's not in debian |
| 11:13.42 | Germanaz0 | maybe is problem of debian |
| 11:14.04 | simonrvn | ask the maintainer |
| 11:14.12 | Germanaz0 | where is him :X |
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| 11:14.40 | simonrvn | where did you get it, from debian-multimedia? |
| 11:14.56 | simonrvn | and you want "he", fyi, heh |
| 11:15.24 | enouf | Germanaz0: you're not using mplayer? |
| 11:15.40 | Germanaz0 | nope, cuz I wanna reproduce rmvb format |
| 11:15.49 | enouf | oh well - have fun |
| 11:15.50 | Germanaz0 | and on mplayer I'm getting a bug |
| 11:15.50 | Germanaz0 | for it |
| 11:16.43 | bolt-work | well, apparently you're "getting a bug for it" in mplayer too. we might be able to fix the mplayer part though. |
| 11:16.57 | Muzer | Hmm, how would I make a uinput device node without using modprobe, or is that not possible? modprobe seems to be broken on my install... |
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| 11:17.48 | enouf | Muzer: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 11:17.50 | bolt-work | Akuw: apparently your debconf config is.. missing? check if it's there and unreadable. not sure if you can reinstall debconf easily... |
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| 11:18.26 | enouf | might try dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 11:18.35 | Muzer | I'll try udev actually |
| 11:18.38 | Muzer | will that do what I want? |
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| 11:18.49 | Muzer | I don't need modprobe, just something to create /dev/input/uinput |
| 11:18.52 | enouf | not you |
| 11:18.57 | Muzer | oh |
| 11:19.01 | enouf | Muzer: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 <-- is you |
| 11:19.09 | Muzer | k |
| 11:19.44 | Germanaz0 | is away (Not Here - No Estoy - Me Fui) |
| 11:20.06 | bolt-work | bouncing? |
| 11:20.06 | enouf | Germanaz0|BnC: turn that away message crap off! |
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| 11:21.14 | enouf | Bozo new Clown? |
| 11:21.26 | c-newbie | anyone has fix problem with select in 64bit debian etch? |
| 11:22.08 | bolt-work | c-newbie: post error message. full. in pastebin. |
| 11:22.19 | bolt-work | binds a hotkey to that statement |
| 11:22.32 | enouf | c-newbie: reinstall your own .deb then place it on hold /msg dpkg hold |
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| 11:23.21 | curt^ | Hey |
| 11:23.25 | Muzer | enouf: You want me to tell you what appears when I do that? |
| 11:23.27 | curt^ | I am using debian 4.0 r3 |
| 11:23.34 | curt^ | and want to install my sound river from also |
| 11:23.36 | curt^ | alsa |
| 11:23.43 | enouf | Muzer: no - let me guess |
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| 11:23.54 | simonrvn | /completion FTW |
| 11:23.57 | Muzer | ii libc6 2.7-14 GNU C library: Shared libraries |
| 11:24.00 | curt^ | It says Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 11:24.04 | curt^ | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
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| 11:24.06 | curt^ | sources (default is /usr/src/linux). |
| 11:24.16 | curt^ | which pkg do I need to install ? |
| 11:24.18 | simonrvn | 2.7-14 is NOT etch |
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| 11:24.42 | bolt-work | curt^: kernel headers for your kernel |
| 11:24.48 | Muzer | why do I have that installed then? lol |
| 11:24.55 | enouf | ok, so - you say you compiled some custom modules? |
| 11:25.12 | erawfish | Muzer: cause you installed something from lenny or sid not long ago |
| 11:25.14 | enouf | and no, it's not etch |
| 11:25.16 | Muzer | I used a precompiled deb before but that didn't work, I'm compiling one now and it's working better |
| 11:25.18 | simonrvn | curt^: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:25.28 | Muzer | now I need to create /dev/input/uinput |
| 11:25.32 | enouf | it's lenny |
| 11:25.46 | simonrvn | judd: version libc6 |
| 11:25.47 | judd | simonrvn: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 11:25.52 | simonrvn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 11:25.52 | judd | simonrvn: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-14 (lenny) 2.7-15 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
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| 11:26.05 | curt^ | isn`t 4.0 etch ? |
| 11:26.07 | Muzer | should I install the one for etch then again? |
| 11:26.09 | enouf | Muzer: you compiled some modules? how? |
| 11:26.12 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:26.23 | erawfish | curt^: it is, but you mixed packages and now broke your package system, sooner or later |
| 11:26.24 | curt^ | I downloaded and install 4.0 r3 yesterday |
| 11:26.31 | simonrvn | curt^: 4.0X isn't the debian version |
| 11:26.32 | Muzer | enouf: I think I might be misunderstanding what I'm actually doing ;p |
| 11:26.38 | simonrvn | curt^: er, 2.x |
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| 11:26.52 | enouf | Muzer: that's very likely |
| 11:26.55 | erawfish | Muzer: use MAKEDEV |
| 11:27.14 | Muzer | erawfish: I need some magic numbers |
| 11:27.19 | erawfish | Muzer: ut you might need to know major and minor device node numbers for the device |
| 11:27.24 | Muzer | yeah |
| 11:27.26 | Muzer | which I don't |
| 11:27.30 | erawfish | Muzer: we cannot tell you. ask the driver author |
| 11:27.44 | curt^ | erawfish: I have done a cd install.. and this is the first package I am installing |
| 11:27.53 | erawfish | curt^: you are wrong |
| 11:28.01 | enouf | Muzer: are the modules loaded? |
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| 11:28.25 | Muzer | enouf: If I try to load it, I get an error saying it can't find /dev/input/uinput |
| 11:28.27 | curt^ | erawfish: how come ? |
| 11:28.27 | erawfish | curt^: pastebin your dpkg.log |
| 11:28.46 | enouf | Muzer: show me the command you ran + errors to pastebin |
| 11:28.50 | erawfish | curt^: cause libc6 2.7-14 is never and was never in etch. it's only in lenny. |
| 11:28.56 | Laeborg | how can i remove the bind again ? |
| 11:29.06 | Muzer | enouf: I will do, I'm installing udev at the moment to see if that fixes it. |
| 11:29.08 | erawfish | Laser: umount |
| 11:29.19 | curt^ | and that would be located at |
| 11:29.22 | Laeborg | ln -s ? |
| 11:29.24 | enouf | Muzer: you're missing half your system |
| 11:29.25 | erawfish | curt^: /var/log |
| 11:29.32 | Muzer | enouf: Lol |
| 11:29.39 | simonrvn | !wayttd Laeborg |
| 11:29.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Laeborg? |
| 11:30.10 | Laeborg | i have binded /home/elitebits/www into /var/ via ln -s |
| 11:30.19 | Laeborg | i want to remove this bind again |
| 11:30.23 | erawfish | Laser: symlinked! man rm |
| 11:30.33 | erawfish | Laeborg: ^^ |
| 11:30.37 | simonrvn | so rm the link. geez |
| 11:30.44 | Laeborg | how ? |
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| 11:30.53 | Muzer | rm /home/elitebits/www |
| 11:30.55 | erawfish | Laeborg: man rm |
| 11:30.58 | simonrvn | WITH `'rm' |
| 11:30.59 | curt^ | It seems to be a huge file |
| 11:31.02 | Muzer | rm -r /home/elitebits/www |
| 11:31.14 | erawfish | Muzer: you just told him to delete his files. gz |
| 11:31.21 | Muzer | oh, lol |
| 11:31.25 | Muzer | fail |
| 11:31.25 | enouf | Muzer: stop |
| 11:31.31 | Muzer | didn't realise which way round it was bound |
| 11:31.34 | erawfish | Laeborg: ignore Muzer. is his malicious |
| 11:31.34 | simonrvn | !lart Muzer |
| 11:31.34 | dpkg | judo chops Muzer |
| 11:31.43 | erawfish | *he is |
| 11:31.53 | curt^ | How do I install the latest alsa via repo? |
| 11:32.08 | simonrvn | erawfish: um, chill out, it was a mistake. |
| 11:32.09 | erawfish | curt^: please answer my question |
| 11:32.10 | bolt-work | curt^: apt-get install alsa |
| 11:32.12 | enouf | Muzer: this is why nobody else mentioned it - just try to realize damage you can cause .. |
| 11:32.27 | curt^ | I am getting more errors while compiling the latest also sources 1.0.17 |
| 11:32.31 | Muzer | walks away in shame |
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| 11:32.39 | curt^ | erawfish: you want me to paste it ? |
| 11:32.45 | enouf | Muzer: it's cool - just relax , now you know |
| 11:32.45 | erawfish | !paste |
| 11:32.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:34.22 | curt^ | erawfish: http://www.pastebin.ca/1237723 |
| 11:35.56 | curt^ | erawfish: do you see any problem ? |
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| 11:36.36 | Akuw | i used dpkg-recnfigure debconf and i got debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 11:37.55 | simonrvn | Akuw: ls -l /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 11:38.04 | erawfish | curt^: yes. what you say doesn't add up. you say you have installed 2.7-4 but dpkg.loh shows no trace of that package |
| 11:38.18 | Qtronix | Hey folks. I got a quick question if anyone is available to help. :p When using testing/unstable, how can I still install xmms v1 packages? is that available from apt-get, or do i have to compile it myself? |
| 11:38.24 | curt^ | I did not install that |
| 11:38.37 | curt^ | I was compiling alsa-driver |
| 11:38.45 | bolt-work | Qtronix: that's the kind of thing you should be able to figure out if you're using unstable |
| 11:38.47 | curt^ | that time it asked me to install linux-headers |
| 11:39.00 | curt^ | so I just pasted the error i got |
| 11:39.47 | Qtronix | bolt-work: I've been using linux for some years now, but just getting into actually administrating my debian system from unstable ;p |
| 11:39.49 | Akuw | ls: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 11:40.07 | Qtronix | bolt-work: you have an answer or not? :P |
| 11:40.14 | Crypticfortune | for writting scripts that run in dpkg's pre-install hook, is there some handy perl package out there for parsing all the version 2 header info? i couldn't find out google/aptitude searching, but i figure one _should_ exist...? |
| 11:40.31 | enouf | Akuw: did you run the command as root? |
| 11:40.54 | curt^ | Lets ee what happens.. I am trying to compile alsa 1.0.15 instead of 1.0.17 |
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| 11:42.02 | bolt-work | Qtronix: i do. so should you. |
| 11:42.25 | Akuw | yeah |
| 11:42.33 | enouf | Crypticfortune: version 2 header info? such as? |
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| 11:43.12 | Qtronix | bolt-work: I'm asking you for a reason, aren't I? But I guess you won't give me an answer without being 'smart' about it. ;p |
| 11:43.24 | Qtronix | ohwell, nevermind then. |
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| 11:43.53 | Crypticfortune | enouf: like where it spits out descriptions of all the sections, where your apt cache is, etc |
| 11:43.57 | JyZyXEL | why does 'xev' detect my mouse thumb button but 'xbindkeys --key' doesn't |
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| 11:44.40 | enouf | Akuw: install debconf |
| 11:44.58 | curt^ | erawfish: Do you know how to get my wireless card working.. its an intel card |
| 11:45.00 | enouf | Crypticfortune: sure, man dpkg-query |
| 11:45.06 | curt^ | that install the correct pkg |
| 11:45.11 | enouf | Crypticfortune: and see grep-dctrl |
| 11:45.12 | curt^ | 8934 based |
| 11:45.14 | JyZyXEL | lol it doesn't even dettect my mouse buttons |
| 11:45.18 | JyZyXEL | the 'xbindkeys --key' |
| 11:45.21 | JyZyXEL | whats wrong with that |
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| 11:45.53 | enouf | Crypticfortune: aptitude can do a lot of that as well - and easier, once you learn the syntax |
| 11:46.01 | JyZyXEL | is xbindkeys the only program that you can use to execute commands with input devices like mouse |
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| 11:46.27 | curt^ | I need some help with my wireless card |
| 11:46.38 | curt^ | to get it detected and working |
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| 11:46.48 | JyZyXEL | cause it doesn't work |
| 11:47.00 | themill | curt^: you need to tell us what sort of card it is. can you pastebin the output of: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 11:47.13 | enouf | does xbindkeys require an xorg.conf entry? |
| 11:47.20 | enouf | or entries? |
| 11:47.25 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 11:47.28 | JyZyXEL | apt takes care of that |
| 11:47.33 | JyZyXEL | i hope |
| 11:47.38 | enouf | nope |
| 11:47.53 | enouf | read docs, and man pages |
| 11:47.54 | JyZyXEL | well it probably would tell me if it needed some shit like that |
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| 11:49.10 | curt^ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1237732 |
| 11:49.14 | curt^ | here you go.. |
| 11:49.37 | themill | curt^: and what's the output of: uname -r |
| 11:49.47 | rebecka | so on a fresh lenny install I do apt-get install iceweasel and then proceed to start iceweasel from my terminal and it just crashes right away no messages or nothing just nothing ... (HELP(!)) solutions?? |
| 11:49.55 | curt^ | 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 11:50.08 | Crypticfortune | enouf: hmm that's useful, but actually my question was about actually parsing this kind of information: http://rafb.net/p/atQqCV22.html |
| 11:50.11 | themill | curt^: is this a laptop and is everything else otherwise working ok? (in particular your sound card) |
| 11:50.27 | curt^ | themill: I am getting the sound card to work.. |
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| 11:50.54 | themill | curt^: is it an Intel HDA card? (lspci -nn | grep -i audio) |
| 11:50.58 | enouf | http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse7.html xmodmap maybe JyZyXEL |
| 11:50.59 | curt^ | by compiling the alsa0driver 1.0.15 and the display resolution also needs to be increased |
| 11:50.59 | enouf | ? |
| 11:51.03 | curt^ | themill: yes |
| 11:51.22 | curt^ | themill: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) |
| 11:51.28 | enouf | xmodmap -ppk and -pp i think |
| 11:51.35 | Crypticfortune | enouf: (most of that's pretty obvious, but for example, I'm pretty I'd guess incorrectly what the "::::" means on line 13 there |
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| 11:51.51 | kthakore | hi there I added cron.cyclic to /etc/anacrontab like this "0 5 cron.cyclic nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.cyclic" to run commands in it every 5 mins but it doesn't wo |
| 11:51.51 | themill | curt^: in that case, the easiest thing for you to do will be to upgrade your kernel to either 2.6.26 from backports.org or to 2.6.24 from etchnhalf. /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 11:51.57 | kthakore | doesn't work* |
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| 11:52.28 | curt^ | themill: so.. doing that everything will work ? |
| 11:52.28 | rebecka | running it as root however gives th following message becca:/home/becca# iceweasel |
| 11:52.32 | rebecka | No protocol specified |
| 11:52.34 | rebecka | Error: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 11:52.34 | themill | curt^: Once you've done that, you should have the newer alsa that will get that sound card working. At that stage, you should also use the iwl3945 driver for the wireless: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 11:53.11 | rebecka | (other x apps run fine from that terminal... |
| 11:53.12 | curt^ | themill: what about the display resolution ? |
| 11:53.29 | enouf | Crypticfortune: maybe it's similar to how '--' tells bash (or a command/app) to stop looking for options/params to the command |
| 11:53.29 | curt^ | alsa is already installed... just need to check it |
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| 11:53.35 | themill | curt^: what's the video chipset? lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 11:53.49 | ix | rebecka: that's related to the fact that it doesnt know which X session to draw to. If you really want to start it, try running it with the command "DISPLAY=0:0 iceweasel" - But please note that running web browsers as root is a bad idea! |
| 11:54.17 | curt^ | themill: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03) |
| 11:54.23 | JyZyXEL | enouf you cannot execute commands with this |
| 11:54.33 | enouf | Crypticfortune: like 'rm -- -filename' |
| 11:54.42 | enouf | JyZyXEL: ok |
| 11:54.47 | ix | rebecka: sorry, that should be DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 11:54.48 | rebecka | ix: that wouldn't be the issue since as I've stated $DISPLAY is set correctly... |
| 11:54.53 | curt^ | themill: alsaconf failed :( |
| 11:54.53 | JyZyXEL | god fucking damnit |
| 11:55.03 | ix | rebecka: oh, sorry, I missed that :-) |
| 11:55.09 | enouf | wonderful |
| 11:55.12 | themill | curt^: install the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from etchnhalf and you should be OK with i945. |
| 11:55.18 | enouf | buh bye now |
| 11:55.35 | curt^ | whats etchnhalf |
| 11:55.38 | kthakore | anyone? |
| 11:55.41 | themill | dpkg: tell curt^ about etchnhalf |
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| 11:56.28 | Crypticfortune | enouf: hmm, i doubt it. i think that's backwards for this case. but anyway, i guess that answers my question (ie: no, there isn't a parser package) |
| 11:56.30 | curt^ | ok thanks themill |
| 11:58.05 | _coredump_ | aloha |
| 11:58.10 | curt^ | themill: this is what I have downloaded and installed Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r5 |
| 11:58.11 | enouf | Crypticfortune: i'm sure there is, it's just i have no idea what that output is from |
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| 11:58.26 | curt^ | but the kernel is still 2.6.18 |
| 11:59.00 | rebecka | Would anybody have the slightest idea as to why iceweasel is non-functional for me ? |
| 11:59.33 | themill | curt^: yes. You get 2.6.18 with etch unless you specifically install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (the etchnhalf kernel) or linux-image-2.6.26-... from backports.org. |
| 11:59.34 | enouf | Crypticfortune: anyway, the devscripts pkg has many handy tools for dealing with debs and building - try show devscripts |
| 11:59.39 | curt^ | themill: I have download a sep cd image or its a repo |
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| 12:00.43 | curt^ | themill: so I need to add backports repo. thats it right |
| 12:00.47 | Muzer | OK, I installed libc6 the etch version |
| 12:00.55 | Muzer | modprobe still won't work |
| 12:02.16 | Crypticfortune | enouf: wow, that's a handy package. anyway that output is generated by adding something like "DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs::=/usr/bin/cat" and "DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/bin/cat::Version=2" to apt.conf and doing say "aptitude install ssh" |
| 12:03.09 | rebecka | so i go /usr/bin/iceweasel and nothing happends,no process running no nothing; why is this?? (very, very frustrated!) |
| 12:03.20 | Muzer | what would the mknod command be for uinput? |
| 12:03.39 | enouf | Crypticfortune: ok .. i see - and the purpose is? more verbosity? |
| 12:03.43 | Crypticfortune | Maybe i should note that my ultimate goal here is to automatically mail user X whenever package Y gets upgraded/removed etc. |
| 12:03.45 | themill | curt^: You will be ok just using the etchnhalf packages on that hardware, but there are likely to be things that you want from backports.org anyway. It's up to you. |
| 12:04.01 | enouf | ahh .. yeah, that helps :-p |
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| 12:04.34 | Crypticfortune | enouf: yup. sorry, should have mentioned that earlier *^^* |
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| 12:04.48 | themill | Crypticfortune: is logwatch suitable for that? |
| 12:04.57 | curt^ | themill: Hmm.. I get a gpg error while doing apt-get update after adding the backports repo in sources.list |
| 12:05.23 | themill | curt^: keep reading the instructions on backports.org |
| 12:05.44 | enouf | Crypticfortune: doesn't debconf have an option? or .. might i be thinking of config options when using apt-listchanges (that's Changelogs) .. hrm |
| 12:06.53 | enouf | Crypticfortune: i think apt-listchanges might be the way to go - since it doesn't run until the pkgs are actually in the install phase - so false alarms and simulation installs wouldn't be mailed , IIUC |
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| 12:07.04 | curt^ | themill: apt-get install linux-2.6.24 xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 12:07.08 | curt^ | that ok ? |
| 12:07.12 | enouf | Crypticfortune: and i set it up to email root , and my user |
| 12:07.22 | Crypticfortune | themill: something like that would work also work, but i figure apt hooks are probably more efficient (and, give me potentially tons more info) |
| 12:07.30 | rebecka | So lenny is close to realese and the fact that iceweasel won't run (at all...) is not even worth looking at... I seem to realize just why stable is so infrequent... |
| 12:07.38 | themill | curt^: no, linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 12:08.14 | themill | rebecka: it is, it's just that everyone is (a) busy or (b) doesn't know. Have you tried -safe-mode? |
| 12:08.18 | curt^ | that should update alsa also ? |
| 12:08.23 | themill | curt^: yes |
| 12:08.29 | curt^ | thanks a ton |
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| 12:08.47 | Crypticfortune | enouf: ya, unfortunately apt-listchanges doesn't do anything for packages that don't have a changelist (unless there's some option i don't know about) |
| 12:09.00 | curt^ | I will keep a not of this next time..so backports will be available for each debian release with latest kernel and drivers |
| 12:09.07 | curt^ | s/not/note |
| 12:09.08 | enouf | Crypticfortune: which pkgs don't have changelogs? |
| 12:09.24 | rebecka | themill: yup, and I've just tried conkeror (works great) so it's not xul-runner that aint running... |
| 12:09.41 | enouf | or better still, why would a newer version be there without any changes? O_o |
| 12:09.43 | themill | curt^: that kernel and driver are not actually from backports.org, but yes, that's a useful place to look. |
| 12:10.13 | themill | Crypticfortune: by default apt-listchanges only shows you NEWS.Debian not the changelog. |
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| 12:10.50 | Crypticfortune | themill: ahhh, important distinction. thanks |
| 12:10.55 | themill | Crypticfortune: you need which=both in /etc/apt/listchanges.conf to see both. |
| 12:11.01 | enouf | themill: oh, i didn't realize that - there are changes in there ;-) -- but it emails that to whomever you tell it to |
| 12:11.11 | themill | yes |
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| 12:11.33 | enouf | hrm, i ran dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges to set it up |
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| 12:12.07 | themill | that would probably work too |
| 12:12.32 | enouf | aha |
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| 12:12.33 | enouf | ~$ cat -A /etc/apt/listchanges.conf | xargs |
| 12:12.34 | enouf | [apt]$ frontend=pager$ email_address=root,stompthebozo$ confirm=0$ which=both$ |
| 12:12.34 | brasilino | Hi.. is there any debian-boot specifc channel ? |
| 12:12.39 | themill | rebecka:"iceweseal -safe-mode" still crashes? |
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| 12:12.55 | enouf | haha - there's my emails .. dang :-P |
| 12:13.07 | enouf | (like i care) |
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| 12:13.32 | rebecka | themill: yup no action nor output what so ever... |
| 12:14.51 | themill | rebecka: is iceweasel still running on that box? For example on a different desktop or in a crashed session or something? Also, are you doing this over an ssh link or are you on the local machine? |
| 12:14.53 | enouf | themill: heh - once i have things setup the way i like, and using it a while that way, i forget what were the defaults |
| 12:15.02 | themill | *nod* |
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| 12:16.19 | rebecka | themill: I'm on the box and there seem to be no iceweasel nor firefox-bin processes (sp) running.. |
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| 12:17.04 | vej9 | hi |
| 12:17.12 | Crypticfortune | themill: ok, I think I'll just tweak apt-listchanges into doing what I want (i only what to notify user Y about changes to a few specific packages). anyway, thanks for the feedback! |
| 12:17.26 | buntfalke | for lenny to be released the amount of not officially ignored release ciritical bugs has to be zero? is it allowed to ignore release critical bugs for a new major release? |
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| 12:18.10 | buntfalke | is impatient and wants to use http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ to get a better idea of the time of arrival |
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| 12:18.39 | brasilino | anyone ? |
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| 12:19.03 | buntfalke | brasilino: what do you mean with 'debian-boot'? |
| 12:19.26 | buntfalke | brasilino: besides, use "/msg alis list *foo*" to search for channel names containing foo (or whatever regex you use) |
| 12:20.00 | Crypticfortune | buntfalke: that'd be a funny/bad defintion of critical if they weren't in fact "critical"... (not that i'm an expert on debian policy though...) |
| 12:20.06 | enouf | brasilino: yes, on oftc.net |
| 12:20.37 | brasilino | enouf and buntfalke: thanks a lot |
| 12:20.42 | buntfalke | Crypticfortune: that what confused me, too. though this page lists some as ignored. i guess it is only allowed in certain cases |
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| 12:21.36 | curt^ | themill: hey.. I have rebooted after installing etchandhalf |
| 12:21.50 | curt^ | and the xvideo-intel |
| 12:22.00 | curt^ | Still no sound and no wireless :( |
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| 12:22.15 | curt^ | and display also.. is still not proper |
| 12:22.16 | rebecka | themill: It's all clear to me now... (I am but an idiot...) the .mozilla dir was owned by root.... |
| 12:22.32 | rebecka | (table-head action) |
| 12:23.09 | curt^ | themill: please help |
| 12:23.14 | rebecka | themill: It works just fine now... |
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| 12:24.04 | enouf | curt^: for the video run drxx again |
| 12:24.35 | enouf | curt^: /msg dpkg alsa checklist (for audio) also <soundcheck> and <speaker-test> |
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| 12:24.40 | segosu | when is the 27 kernel going to be on sid or lenny (or wherever it will go?) and where exactly can i find this sort of info out for myself |
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| 12:25.29 | enouf | wifi? likely easy, but maybe not - but either way i shouldn't comment much about that ;) lspci -nn and show us your wifi card |
| 12:25.36 | curt^ | what`s drxx |
| 12:25.43 | enouf | !drxx |
| 12:25.43 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however. |
| 12:25.54 | curt^ | doing that |
| 12:26.15 | enouf | curt^: do you know your Monitors Vert/Hor refresh to enter in? |
| 12:26.16 | Crypticfortune | segosu: sid doesn't get kernels. you can make your own with make-kpkg though (/msg dpkg make-kpkg) |
| 12:26.23 | segosu | oh |
| 12:26.26 | segosu | okay, lenny then |
| 12:26.33 | E-bola | Do you need to do something special in debian etch to be able to write to ntfs partitions? |
| 12:26.43 | segosu | E-bola: use ntfs-3g |
| 12:26.46 | enouf | Crypticfortune: sid does too get kernels |
| 12:26.59 | curt^ | no |
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| 12:27.05 | enouf | segosu: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 12:27.20 | Crypticfortune | oops... >_<;; |
| 12:27.22 | segosu | shouldn't what |
| 12:27.25 | segosu | write to ntfs partitions |
| 12:27.27 | segosu | or some kernel-related thing |
| 12:27.32 | enouf | segosu: try wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 12:27.45 | curt^ | enouf: my monitor can do a 1200x800 |
| 12:27.48 | enouf | segosu: no, ask about new kernels |
| 12:28.07 | enouf | curt^: google your monitor or find it's manual |
| 12:28.18 | enouf | get the correct Vert/Hor refresh rates |
| 12:28.19 | segosu | enouf: i just wanted to keep up-to-date on what's changing |
| 12:28.20 | E-bola | segosu: thanks |
| 12:28.21 | curt^ | mine is a laptop.. but its philips |
| 12:28.34 | curt^ | display |
| 12:28.40 | enouf | now you know how - join some debian mailing lists |
| 12:28.44 | curt^ | let me reboot.... |
| 12:28.46 | segosu | yeah now i do |
| 12:31.08 | enouf | segosu: i didn't mean it elitist-like, when i wrote my 1st message to you, i didn't see the 2ns half and your query about "where's some info" .. i thought you wanted to install a .27 kernel from debian (although, you are welcome to test, bug report, etc - if you know what you're doing) |
| 12:31.25 | enouf | s/2ns/2nd |
| 12:31.46 | segosu | heh okay |
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| 12:32.51 | Legality | anyone familiar with the exploit ptrace-mod.c? |
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| 12:39.01 | valdyn | Legality: why dont you give us the advisory id ? |
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| 12:39.30 | curt^ | hey themill |
| 12:39.47 | curt^ | display and wireless done ! just sound card remains |
| 12:40.01 | curt^ | please help me to configure the sound card |
| 12:40.14 | valdyn | curt^: why do you think that its not already configured? |
| 12:40.26 | curt^ | I cant` hear any sound |
| 12:41.00 | valdyn | curt^: try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav" |
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| 12:43.49 | Legality | valdyn: because some nice person did that to my box last night |
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| 12:45.41 | valdyn | Legality: you meant ptrace-kmod.c ? |
| 12:45.48 | Legality | yes |
| 12:46.05 | valdyn | Legality: and you are running a 2.4 or 2.2 kernel? |
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| 12:46.53 | valdyn | Legality: the bug im seeing was fixed in march 2004 though |
| 12:46.58 | Legality | 2.6 |
| 12:47.02 | Legality | huh? |
| 12:47.04 | jelly | ptrace... ptrace... sounds vaguely 2.6.18-ish |
| 12:47.18 | Legality | 2.6.18-5 |
| 12:47.23 | valdyn | http://downloads.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities/exploits/ptrace-kmod.c |
| 12:48.03 | jelly | Legality: the current etch kernel is 2.6.18-6-flavor |
| 12:48.12 | Legality | ok |
| 12:48.15 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 12:48.16 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 (etch) 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch3 (etch-security) |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | judd: lies! -23 was on my mirror yesterday |
| 12:48.31 | judd | jelly: Error: "lies!" is not a valid command. |
| 12:48.34 | Legality | but I think even more important is to try to find where the heck he came in |
| 12:48.42 | Legality | he needed to wget that files from somewhere |
| 12:49.02 | Crypticfortune | Legality: nah, he could also just copy and paste it =P |
| 12:49.35 | esteel | are there any 2.6.27 packages for debian? |
| 12:50.13 | valdyn | Legality: maybe he really only tried to use that exploit but didnt do anything with it? |
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| 12:50.32 | Legality | what do you mean valdyn? |
| 12:50.55 | valdyn | Legality: how do you know that he didnt only run that exploit but didnt really use it |
| 12:51.15 | Legality | yes |
| 12:51.18 | Legality | in top |
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| 12:51.41 | valdyn | Legality: its an old exploit that has been fixed long ago.. |
| 12:52.04 | Crypticfortune | Legality: but he might not have become root. it could just sit there and act like any normal user process should |
| 12:52.05 | Legality | hmm.. well there were ./ptrace-kmod running on the box |
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| 12:52.19 | Legality | yea, I suspect he was not able to root the box |
| 12:52.23 | valdyn | Legality: that does not mean that it achieved anything |
| 12:52.32 | Legality | but he was able to change the index-files |
| 12:52.40 | valdyn | Legality: which index files? |
| 12:52.52 | Legality | apaches index-files,, we have a couple of sites on that box |
| 12:53.08 | Legality | he was able to mess the index.html etc files and modify some php files |
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| 12:53.22 | valdyn | Legality: so maybe you should look for your php security hole |
| 12:53.39 | Legality | true |
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| 12:54.48 | valdyn | Legality: im not 100% sure about that exploit ptrace-kmod but it strongly looks to me like its not very useful even on vulnerable kernels |
| 12:55.03 | valdyn | Legality: unless you actually modprobe something |
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| 12:55.08 | Crypticfortune | Legality: sounds like he tried N different exploits, but it seems unlikely that ptrace-kmod actually worked... |
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| 12:55.33 | valdyn | Legality: and modprobes happening on a server that has been up a while isnt common |
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| 12:57.22 | Legality | modprobes? |
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| 12:58.01 | valdyn | Legality: the exploited race condition is in kernel/kmod.c, which probably is used when modules are loaded |
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| 12:58.50 | valdyn | Legality: so when you dont load a module, then theres no way to exploit, not even on vulnerable kernels |
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| 13:02.40 | vedant | Hi, I just installed debian lenny on a usb drive, but grub doesn't boot. It shows Error 21 after Loading stage1.5. When I use the grub console to boot, grub says the initrd file has inconsistent filesystem structure. What's going on? |
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| 13:04.23 | Legality | valdyn: ok |
| 13:04.40 | Legality | so,, now the problem is to find how that fucker got the index-files messed |
| 13:05.04 | zamuro | There's a package that creates Gannt Charts, but I just don't remember the name... Anyone? |
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| 13:05.13 | valdyn | zamuro: planner ? |
| 13:05.23 | valdyn | zamuro: ms project? |
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| 13:05.38 | JyZyXEL | what was the command that shows ports that are being used? |
| 13:05.44 | Legality | I can see from the apache error log that he has downloaded some files to the server, probably the best option is to try to find those files and where they locate |
| 13:05.47 | abrotman | netstat ? |
| 13:05.49 | vaq | JyZyXEL: netstat -luntp |
| 13:06.04 | zamuro | valdyn: For linux, I mean... |
| 13:06.12 | valdyn | zamuro: that is planner |
| 13:06.20 | JyZyXEL | vaq there was a shorter way |
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| 13:06.24 | zamuro | That's it. Thanks :) |
| 13:06.31 | JyZyXEL | it also shows the processes |
| 13:06.34 | JyZyXEL | that are taking it |
| 13:06.43 | vaq | JyZyXEL: If you already knew it then don't ask about it! |
| 13:07.23 | JyZyXEL | yea! |
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| 13:10.29 | Cisien | what's a good java vm for debian etch? |
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| 13:10.37 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 13:10.57 | zxxd | what can i use for creating ntfs under linux ? ntfsprogs? |
| 13:10.59 | ribasushi | is it normal that make-kpkg compiles the kernel with ARCH=i386, when in fact running on 686? |
| 13:11.22 | mhymn | zxxd: true |
| 13:12.02 | Eulex | ribasushi, you choose what processor to optimize for in the kernel config. |
| 13:12.15 | ribasushi | Eulex: which I did (pentium 4) |
| 13:13.09 | Eulex | ribasushi, then it's optimizing for pentium 4. i386 is the name of the architecture, as classified by debian. (i386 and newer compatible). |
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| 13:13.25 | Eulex | ribasushi, that said, your pentium 4 ain't a 686 either :P but it's compatible |
| 13:14.22 | ribasushi | hm |
| 13:14.22 | Cisien | anyone know of a good java vm for etch? |
| 13:14.30 | ribasushi | I thought this is what i686 stands for :) |
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| 13:16.10 | abrotman | !tell Cisien about java |
| 13:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | vedant: USB drives don't perform like hard drives. If you installed as if it were a regular disk, you probably have timing and performance issues that look to the kernel like a corrupt disk. |
| 13:16.27 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: what? |
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| 13:16.35 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: how did you make that up? |
| 13:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | vedant: If you connect (but don't mount) the disk to a running system, it will probably check out fine. |
| 13:16.54 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Personal experience. |
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| 13:17.12 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: USB flash drives require some special configuration to run as system drives. |
| 13:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: There are a number of scripts and packages that will do this for you. I would suggest working with one of them untill you understand the differences. |
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| 13:17.57 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: you probably mean "to boot from them" |
| 13:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | http://pendrivelinux.com/ |
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| 13:19.04 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: It's not simply a matter of booting. That works fairly well if you're just doing a net boot or booting for a net install. |
| 13:19.15 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: kernel has nothing to do with it |
| 13:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: If you know what vedant's problem is, why don't you go ahead and help him with it, and I'll watch and learn. |
| 13:22.00 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: /lastlog vedant |
| 13:22.04 | valdyn | ops |
| 13:22.08 | jhutchins_wk | Personally I gave up on my pen dive project and went with PXEboot and LTSP. |
| 13:22.18 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: i cant see vedant in this channel |
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| 13:22.40 | valdyn | ah nvm |
| 13:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | [08:02] <vedant> Hi, I just installed debian lenny on a usb drive, but grub doesn't boot. It shows Error 21 after Loading stage1.5. When I use the grub console to boot, grub says the initrd file has inconsistent filesystem structure. What's going on? |
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| 13:22.50 | jhutchins_wk | (CDT) |
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| 13:22.59 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: i cant help him, i dont know why his grub fails |
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| 13:23.47 | valdyn | vedant: if the error message is right then your initrd is broken |
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| 13:25.13 | valdyn | vedant: which means you probably should inspect it or regenerate it |
| 13:26.11 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: fyi, his issues happen at the stage where the initrd is loaded. The kernel has nothing to do with that, its not even yet loaded. |
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| 13:30.16 | dukez_ | Hi all, how long does it take to get an anwser about a new Important bug on apache2, on Debian stable Etch AMD64 reported on the BTS ? |
| 13:30.34 | valdyn | dukez_: how would we know? |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | dukez_: answer? or response after filing? |
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| 13:31.31 | valdyn | dukez_: which bug? |
| 13:32.00 | dukez_ | this one : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503213 |
| 13:32.08 | dukez_ | response afeter fillinf |
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| 13:32.24 | valdyn | dukez_: not going to be fixed in etch for all i know |
| 13:32.32 | dukez_ | It is a bug that present me from using Apache2/disk_cache/JK or AJP13/deflate on Etch amd64 ... |
| 13:32.38 | dukez_ | prevent* |
| 13:32.50 | valdyn | dukez_: yes, sure |
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| 13:34.34 | dukez_ | valdyn: hmmmmmmm do i have to |
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| 13:34.54 | dukez_ | switch to an other stable release so ? :( |
| 13:35.13 | valdyn | dukez_: well, icant decide if you need this feature |
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| 13:35.46 | dukez_ | valdyn> this is the "standard" well configured apache production configuration as reverse proxy for Java applications :( |
| 13:35.51 | valdyn | dukez_: but for all i can see its not going to be fixed in etch and theres not much point in the maintainer replying unless he has a fix |
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| 13:36.19 | dukez_ | valydn> if i work on a patch: will it be applied ? |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | dukez_: to me, it seems like you filed on the wrong package |
| 13:36.28 | valdyn | dukez_: no i doubt it |
| 13:36.49 | dukez_ | grrrrr |
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| 13:36.55 | abrotman | whoops .. misread apr as ajp |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | dukez_: if you can find a patch, they may take it, depends what it is |
| 13:37.28 | dukez_ | abrotman> the wrong ? what do you mean ? |
| 13:37.41 | dukez_ | abrotman> ok :) |
| 13:37.56 | valdyn | dukez_: needs to be like a simple and obvious fix with no side effects |
| 13:38.01 | dukez_ | ok :) |
| 13:38.30 | valdyn | ( unless this is also a security issue ) |
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| 13:40.33 | dukez_ | valdyn> ok so i must release a POC of the exploitability to get my issue patched :) |
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| 13:47.28 | gutterpunk | Hi. I just noticed a few of my servers were hacked. On both webservers there's an EnergyMech IRC bot running. On one server it was executed from "/tmp", and on the other one -where I took the time to set /tmp nosuid,noexec,nodev- it was intalled in /var/tmp |
| 13:47.50 | yang | How do I mount a LVM fs in a rescue disc? |
| 13:47.58 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: unlucky :( |
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| 13:48.02 | gutterpunk | I'm looking for some pointers on how to figure out exactly what happened to it in order to stop it from happening in the future... Any ideas? |
| 13:48.16 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: Are you running a webserver? |
| 13:48.21 | kantor | hi, I installed the ntp package and in the time and date segttings the "Synchronize clock with internet servers:" is activated, but if I deactivate it and try to activate it again it tells me that "NTP support is not isntalled" but in fact it is and it is running I checked with the ps program |
| 13:48.27 | kantor | is that a bug ? |
| 13:49.01 | gutterpunk | Maulkin: Yep... I'm assuming it happened using vulnerable php scripts maybe, but I'm not sure. On one server the owner of the script appears to be "mysql", on the other it is "ftp" |
| 13:49.16 | kantor | I'm using etch r5 |
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| 13:49.42 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: Could be either. I'd backup your data and logs and re-install.# |
| 13:49.45 | xarragon | Hi guys, I got an X11 setup using a GF2MX and a Riva TNT 2, but the nvidia driver doesn't want to recognize my X11 section for one of the devices. xorg.conf and log: http://nopaste.com/p/aCosz67Qp |
| 13:49.53 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to keep svn from making a ".svn" directory in every subdir.... or how I can easily remove every ".svn" dir and it's contents from a dir? |
| 13:50.15 | OpenTokix | PiousMinion: Are you planning in using subversion? |
| 13:50.16 | Maulkin | PiousMinion: look at svn export |
| 13:50.18 | fpcfan | PiousMinion: use svn export instead of svn co |
| 13:50.35 | xarragon | I'm running Debian Etch han uses the proprietary nvidia driver, installed by means of module-assistant. |
| 13:50.47 | PiousMinion | hmm, export, ok |
| 13:50.57 | gutterpunk | Maulkin, yep, that's what I intend to do asap. But if I can't figure out exactly what happened I don't see how I can prevent this.. I found a few comparable situations online but still, no real explenation. |
| 13:50.59 | xarragon | I only get one of the displays running. :-/ |
| 13:51.00 | OpenTokix | xarragon: since it's a crap old card, you probably need to use nvidia-legacy |
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| 13:51.19 | xarragon | OpenTokix: Oh, sorry. I forgot to mention. I am actualy using the legacy driver. |
| 13:51.25 | xarragon | actually* |
| 13:51.41 | OpenTokix | xarragon: I would assume you need double legacy for that =) |
| 13:51.47 | OpenTokix | xarragon: it is _really_ old |
| 13:51.55 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: Well, do you have phpbb installed? |
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| 13:53.08 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: And which of your users has installed a php script? |
| 13:53.08 | ma3x | how do you erase a folder in ftp? |
| 13:53.08 | Maulkin | del |
| 13:53.08 | xarragon | OpenTokix: Yeah, the TNT2 ain´t the latest and hottest I assume... |
| 13:53.09 | OpenTokix | xarragon: It was the latest and hottest 10 years ago |
| 13:53.09 | gutterpunk | Maulkin, one of our customers might have yes. Most clients are using some sort of php forum or cms |
| 13:53.11 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: My number one suspect is that :) |
| 13:53.13 | OpenTokix | xarragon: I am suprised you have a computer that can run it =) - it should be lika a pii 400 or something along thoose lines? |
| 13:53.48 | xarragon | OpenTokix: Nah, an old Celeron 2 Ghz, AGP card is an GF2MX, the TNT card is a PCI one. |
| 13:54.21 | OpenTokix | xarragon: *shiver n' twist from digust* |
| 13:54.25 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: Check your logs, you may see a line in there with suspicious activity. Also, look at mod_security, safe_mode and chroots. |
| 13:54.27 | xarragon | OpenTokix: The reason I am setting it up is because I will do some experimentation with multihead-capable display software, and it migt very well end up running om something like this. |
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| 13:54.46 | OpenTokix | xarragon: yes/ok |
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| 13:54.53 | xarragon | OpenTokix: That, and the fact that I had all this lying around. |
| 13:54.56 | gutterpunk | Maulkin, I took many steps to stop this thing from happening but still... Users got to stay in docroots, /tmp folder wich are noexec, nosuid..., safe mode on by default, disabled exec and system functions. I'm wondering how most hosting providers shield themselves from this sort of behaviour |
| 13:55.01 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: I'd also suggest mailing debian-isp for info on how others do that |
| 13:55.14 | ma3x | Maulkin: it says no such file or directory when i try to del 'directory' |
| 13:55.20 | Maulkin | gutterpunk: see debian-isp :) |
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| 13:56.56 | Maulkin | Fine, leave then |
| 13:57.35 | gutterpunk | Maulkin, thanks. I'll check it out |
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| 14:13.00 | oOarthurOo | I decided to remove pulse audio, seeing as how I don't do any of the fancy network stuff. I only installed it becauseit's an easy way to get system sounds working. Butit's got issues with other stuff I use, so I'm gonna go back to the old way. That's with alsa, and then I have to install an esd component. |
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| 14:13.16 | oOarthurOo | Anyone know the name of that esd thing I need to install to get gnome playing system sounds? |
| 14:13.19 | rohan | is there a way to list all the packages installed on my system from a particular repository? |
| 14:13.27 | rohan | i.e. list all packages installed from repo X |
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| 14:14.12 | abrotman | libesd-alsa0 or something like that |
| 14:14.35 | oOarthurOo | ok I see it |
| 14:14.44 | lostson | if i install debian and then enable testing will i get the frozen version so to speak ? |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | lostson: if you track "lenny", not "testing" |
| 14:15.50 | lostson | abrotman--> so do i have to set something special for that ? |
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| 14:17.19 | SamWeasley | Hi... |
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| 14:17.50 | Lagbolt | hi sam |
| 14:17.51 | SamWeasley | I have a Palm Tungsten E2, but I could not sync with KPilot... When it comes to Memo, it crashes kpilotDaemon |
| 14:17.59 | SamWeasley | Any tip? |
| 14:18.02 | abrotman | lostson: check your sources.list .. make sure they reference "lenny" not "testing" |
| 14:18.02 | jelly | lostson: yes, don't enable "testing" but "lenny" |
| 14:18.15 | lostson | ok thank you |
| 14:19.10 | Rockj | Which cronjob-application does debian run as default? (installed a debian env. with debootstrap and wonder which one I better install from apt. |
| 14:19.13 | Rockj | ) |
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| 14:19.39 | JyZyXEL | where do you set the default font? |
| 14:20.02 | abrotman | default font of *what*? |
| 14:20.07 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 14:20.09 | JyZyXEL | everything |
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| 14:20.48 | JyZyXEL | i keep seeing these horrible fonts everywhere |
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| 14:24.16 | Rockj | anacron is the package I'm looking for :) |
| 14:24.36 | JyZyXEL | where is the kde configurator? |
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| 14:33.31 | nvz | I am testing some old win95 type games on wine and its saying that I may not have OpenGL libraries. I see no depends/recommends/sutggests for openGL..and therea are tons of openGL packages. Does anyone have an idea which oneit might be looking for? |
| 14:33.52 | JyZyXEL | http://88.115.39.161/horrible.jpg Rockj that |
| 14:34.04 | nvz | you'll ahave to forgive my typing I'm on a f'ing eeepc |
| 14:34.13 | nvz | haha |
| 14:34.24 | nvz | this thing is worse than my PocketPC |
| 14:34.37 | JyZyXEL | i fucking hate when people pick lously defaults |
| 14:34.49 | mhymn | JyZyXEL: kcontrol center, i'm afraid it's not a debian question |
| 14:34.59 | JyZyXEL | yea thats what i also trought |
| 14:35.10 | JyZyXEL | but changing fonts there didn't change anything |
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| 14:37.05 | fpcfan | I think I do have a debian question about http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=fpc, what does it mean that it is built on powerpc, but not installed. |
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| 14:37.57 | abrotman | fpcfan: if you hover your mouse over it, it tells you |
| 14:38.42 | nvz | I am fairly certain I have libgl-mesa-blah installed |
| 14:38.50 | nvz | so I guess its not that one :-P |
| 14:38.57 | fpcfan | abrotman: thanks, why does it take 15 days to confirm and upload? |
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| 14:39.15 | erawfish | nvz: is 3D actually working? |
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| 14:40.51 | nvz | it requires 3d to be enabled? |
| 14:41.22 | nvz | cause thats nuts.. heh.. I used to run these games in DOS ffs :-P |
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| 14:41.49 | JyZyXEL | mhymn it was qtconfig you fucking liar! |
| 14:41.53 | nvz | I'm not worried about how fast they run, just if they'll work |
| 14:42.04 | nvz | but I didn't thinka bout that one |
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| 14:42.28 | nvz | I think I found the answer though |
| 14:42.32 | nvz | there is a libwine-gl |
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| 14:42.43 | mhymn | <JyZyXEL> where is the kde configurator? |
| 14:42.53 | mhymn | <JyZyXEL> where is the kde configurator? |
| 14:43.02 | mhymn | see |
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| 14:43.11 | JyZyXEL | lol fu |
| 14:43.14 | mhymn | not qt configurator tard |
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| 14:44.15 | abrotman | fpcfan: someo ne is on vacation |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: stop being abusive |
| 14:44.41 | JyZyXEL | =( |
| 14:44.41 | nvz | I was kinda hoping this wouldnt require working 3d accel though.. hardly need hardware accell to run these old games |
| 14:44.48 | nvz | we'll see I guess |
| 14:44.53 | JyZyXEL | im just super tired |
| 14:45.06 | nvz | seems like libwine-gl was the lib it was looking for |
| 14:45.19 | nvz | its installed with wine on lenny it seems but not on etch |
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| 14:45.56 | nvz | I finally got around to making a lenny dvd set but haven't got around tt upgrading my box yet |
| 14:46.28 | nvz | just used it on this damn eeepc I was working on cause it wouldnt work right on etch |
| 14:47.01 | nvz | do NOT buy an eeepc unless you have midget fingers and giant patience |
| 14:47.10 | naitram | downloaded etch net install looks like 4.0r4a. Doesn't seem to work, keeps saying an installation step failed. Is this the right stable installer? |
| 14:48.24 | fpcfan | abrotman: ok, will this stop the package from entering testing for other achitectures? |
| 14:48.41 | abrotman | fpcfan: lenny is frozen |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | fpcfan: if it fixes a big bug, it might get in |
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| 14:51.36 | fpcfan | compared with the version in lenny, it fixes possible copyright infringements |
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| 14:52.15 | fpcfan | the fpc developers have removed all the pre fpc 2.2.2 releases from their ftp servers |
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| 14:52.44 | f00bar80 | stanlin, hey there , again about MSI wind |
| 14:52.52 | stew | fpcfan: which bug are you talking about? |
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| 14:53.11 | fpcfan | stew: I don't have a bug number in particular |
| 14:54.15 | stew | fpcfan: if there is a bug in the debian bts which the newer package fixes, send email to http://lists.debian.org/debian-release asking for a freeze exception. if there is no bug filed, please file one |
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| 14:57.07 | fpcfan | stew, thanks for the feedback |
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| 14:59.40 | payam | hej |
| 14:59.46 | payam | i have a question |
| 15:00.03 | payam | tha fu cking Linux everybody talks about.. what is it? |
| 15:01.27 | stew | payam: what? |
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| 15:01.46 | payam | what the hell i Linux |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | channel list would indicate he already knows |
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| 15:01.59 | FoxM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.07 | payam | !linux |
| 15:02.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, linux is closed |
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| 15:02.25 | abrotman | payam: try ##linux |
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| 15:03.20 | Lagbolt | abrotman, whats the deal with ## one # isnt enough for those guys? |
| 15:03.39 | abrotman | Lagbolt: freenode.net .. see the channel naming rules |
| 15:03.51 | stew | Lagbolt: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming |
| 15:04.01 | Lagbolt | ahcool i will read up |
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| 15:04.07 | spldart | I'm running lenny and just like etch I'm running that IE for linux from tatanka. I using wine 1.0 and I'm having a problem I didn't have with etch. As I run IE 6.0 the app /usr/lib/wine/wineserver starts memory leaking it's butt off.. eats up to my gig of memory and the machine locks. Any Ideas? |
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| 15:06.34 | clp8 | I remember there being a program for apt that would create a script which could to transported to another machine so that packages could be essentially downloaded for a machine that is not attached to the internet |
| 15:06.43 | clp8 | can anyone remind me of the name? |
| 15:06.56 | jamon | clp8: check apt-zip maybe? |
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| 15:08.39 | fluteflute | Anyone got any idea why debian sid is failing to print anything? it just prints pages of numbers starting with %PDF-1.3 and something about pdftopdf. |
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| 15:09.16 | clp8 | jamon: ah, that is what I meant, but it isn't helpful for my problem. thanks anyway |
| 15:09.56 | stew | clp8: perhaps apt-move or apt-proxy? |
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| 15:11.00 | bolt-work | fluteflute: your problems with sid are your problems |
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| 15:21.55 | Zharf | vomits on all packages that depend on alsa |
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| 15:22.57 | vedant | does GRUB 2 support USB yet? |
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| 15:24.46 | Appiah | Grub 2? oh my .. I must be behind |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | it's numbered 1.x if it makes you feel better |
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| 15:26.37 | Appiah | well anything beyond 0.9x is news to me! |
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| 15:43.20 | hikenboot_ | anyone know of a debian bug that would cause volume not found errors under a qemu 64 bit vm on 32 bit host? causes lilo or grub at the end of a setup with stable not to complete properly |
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| 15:44.40 | sinisterporpoise | anyone here ndiswrapper experts? |
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| 15:45.03 | macsim`work | sinisterporpoise, don't ask to ask just ask |
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| 15:45.37 | sinisterporpoise | okay anyone know why I'm getting a symbolic link error when trying to install the Windows driver? |
| 15:46.16 | macsim`work | sinisterporpoise, what's the error ? |
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| 15:46.35 | sinisterporpoise | give me a scond see if I can get it for you |
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| 15:48.24 | dutchfish | hi, after updating lenny with latest alsa updates i hav eno longer working audio, alsaconf does find my soundcard as lspci does, what can i do? |
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| 15:50.52 | cahoot | dutchfish: snd-pcsp loaded and interfering? |
| 15:51.06 | themill | dutchfish: make sure you don't have something blocking the sound card "fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer". Also make sure you've fiddled with all the combinations of mutes/unmutes for different channels while using aplay on a .wav (e.g /msg dpkg moo) |
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| 15:52.03 | stew | alsaconf would kill all those though, right? |
| 15:52.04 | dutchfish | cahoot, snd-pcsp i snot loaded |
| 15:52.29 | dutchfish | themill, yes, fidled with all the settings for muted channels in kmix |
| 15:52.30 | stew | dutchfish: you don't have working audio even after alsaconf? |
| 15:52.43 | dutchfish | stew, bingo |
| 15:52.51 | themill | dutchfish: did you restart kmix after running alsaconf? |
| 15:53.05 | dutchfish | themill, yes i did, no juice |
| 15:53.36 | sinisterporpoise | okay the error message is couldn't creat symlink for "168c:001d:721B:1799.5.conf" -- installation may be incomplete on ndiswrapper |
| 15:53.53 | huangfei | pa |
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| 15:54.17 | dutchfish | themill, alsaconf ends with a fuzzy error however: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
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| 15:54.31 | themill | not good |
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| 15:55.07 | dutchfish | themill, i had perfect audio since lenny's birth, until now that is |
| 15:55.48 | dutchfish | themill, snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device are all loaded |
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| 15:56.02 | slicer_ | hello i'm using zd1112rw drive for my wifi, i have a bthomehub. howdo i connect to he hub? |
| 15:56.07 | themill | dutchfish: what alsa updates were these? kernel update or alsa packages? |
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| 15:57.47 | sinisterporpoise | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.48 | dutchfish | themill, alsa-base |
| 15:58.20 | dutchfish | themill, alsa-base 1.0.17.dfsg-4 |
| 15:58.39 | dutchfish | themill, along with linux-sound-base |
| 15:59.02 | dutchfish | themill, version 1.0.17.dfsg-4 |
| 15:59.46 | dutchfish | themill, for your info i tried already to recompile from alsa-source with m-a, but that makes no difference |
| 16:00.16 | themill | dutchfish: how are you testing whether it is working? |
| 16:00.29 | dutchfish | themill, i have latest stock kernel on this box 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 16:00.52 | dutchfish | themill, through the logs and my ears :D |
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| 16:01.13 | dutchfish | themill, the logs are awfull silent |
| 16:01.15 | themill | dutchfish: by playing what sorts of files with which player? |
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| 16:01.31 | dutchfish | themill, wav, mp3, flac all the same |
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| 16:01.51 | themill | dutchfish: for testing alsa, aplay with a wav is the most reliable method. |
| 16:01.52 | dutchfish | themill, i tried 3 players 2 of them give errors |
| 16:02.06 | dutchfish | themill, ok, i try a sec |
| 16:02.13 | E-bola | I have an issue with my debian installation not being able to boot after a kernel upgrade. It looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498686 but im not sure |
| 16:02.31 | E-bola | It works perfectly fine with kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 16:03.08 | dutchfish | themill, aplay with wav: spits with ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card 'Headset' |
| 16:03.10 | E-bola | but anything newer freezes |
| 16:03.40 | themill | dutchfish: sounds like it thinks that there are two different sound card there -- one for the headset and one for the speakers. |
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| 16:03.58 | dutchfish | themill, correct, both dont work |
| 16:04.18 | themill | dutchfish: how are you changing which output aplay should send the output to? |
| 16:04.33 | dutchfish | themill, /etc/asound.conf |
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| 16:05.57 | dutchfish | themill, i removed this file, to narrow down, and disconnected the headset |
| 16:06.00 | mimcpher | I wonder if anybody knows offhand how small a minimal debian install is? |
| 16:06.03 | themill | dutchfish: ahh... that you have configuration files like that (and more than one sound card) are important details. |
| 16:06.09 | dutchfish | themill, still aplay gives same error |
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| 16:06.31 | themill | dutchfish: rerun alsaconf with that file removed and no headset? |
| 16:06.39 | dutchfish | themill, ok, a sec |
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| 16:07.35 | dutchfish | themill, the same error, apprently it wont (forget) the headset device |
| 16:07.45 | themill | odd |
| 16:07.51 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 16:08.18 | themill | dutchfish: unless anyone else here chimes in, I'm going to suggest that the guys in #alsa are better equipped to answer your questions. |
| 16:08.19 | dutchfish | can i reinstall alsa from scratch in kde and satrt over? |
| 16:08.45 | dutchfish | themill, or is udev playing me parts? |
| 16:09.48 | cahoot | dutchfish: no ~/.asoundrc present? |
| 16:09.49 | dutchfish | mimcpher, ~140mb |
| 16:10.19 | mimcpher | Thanks dutchfish |
| 16:10.30 | dutchfish | cahoot yes |
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| 16:10.52 | dutchfish | cahoot, it pints to: </home/wil/.asoundrc.asoundconf> |
| 16:10.54 | cahoot | dutchfish: I'd remove that |
| 16:11.03 | dutchfish | cahoot, ok |
| 16:11.06 | E-bola | Can anybody help? |
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| 16:12.27 | dutchfish | cahoot, removed, run alsaconf again? |
| 16:12.40 | cahoot | just try speaker-test |
| 16:13.02 | dutchfish | cahoot, i have sound! (noice) |
| 16:13.18 | cahoot | just try speaker-test -t wav -c2 for more joy |
| 16:13.30 | dutchfish | cahoot, plays :D |
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| 16:14.13 | dutchfish | cahoot, problem solved! thank you very much it was a user setting after all :D |
| 16:14.19 | cahoot | dutchfish: probalby some leftover from an earlier asoundconf |
| 16:14.26 | dutchfish | cahoot, yup |
| 16:14.29 | george | Hey, I'm looking to install debian on a board running a vortex86 processor, however there is virtually no information on the web about this, is anyone familar with the processor? |
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| 16:15.53 | abrotman | george: http://www.dmp.com.tw/ seems to be the manuf |
| 16:16.18 | abrotman | george: seems like it may work .. |
| 16:17.38 | themill | dutchfish, cahoot: the recent update to alsa changes OSS loading which might have broken your asoundconf, I guess. Well done :) |
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| 16:18.15 | dutchfish | themill, yuk does not work yet, but i gues that is another question |
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| 16:19.00 | dutchfish | themill, or do i need alsa-oss again back? |
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| 16:20.52 | themill | dutchfish: you probably need to tell the player to use the right output stream/sound server. And make sure that gstreamer or artsd or whatever are using alsa directly rather than oss. |
| 16:21.13 | odla | hi i am removed sfwdec* from my Lenny GNOME install and now aptitude safe-upgrade wants to remove a bulk of my GNOME. How can i prevent this? |
| 16:21.16 | dutchfish | themill, ok |
| 16:21.31 | themill | dpkg: tell odla about autoremove |
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| 16:29.15 | dutchfish | themill, after reinstalling from alsa-source with m-a my headset also works again :D |
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| 16:30.20 | angryuser | hello |
| 16:30.44 | ktwilight[m] | hello! |
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| 16:30.51 | ktwilight[m] | welcome! may i please take your order? |
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| 16:31.11 | angryuser | i need to use watchdog but it is spawning to fast in boot, how can i add a timer cooldown on it ? |
| 16:31.12 | angryuser | ;) |
| 16:31.37 | angryuser | ktwilight[m]: yes double pizza no peperonni ;) |
| 16:31.50 | ktwilight[m] | sorry watchdogs are sold out, would you like a corny dog instead? |
| 16:32.04 | ktwilight[m] | :) |
| 16:32.11 | ktwilight[m] | sorry, dunno about watchdog, am sure others know |
| 16:32.17 | angryuser | no i prefer juicy human flesh, yes i am cannibal! |
| 16:32.23 | ktwilight[m] | haha |
| 16:32.28 | ktwilight[m] | with pepper sauce |
| 16:35.15 | george | Ahh, does anyone know if debian can run on a 386SX processor, with no math coprocessor, hard to find details on web |
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| 16:37.49 | themill | istr that libc6 requires a 486 these days |
| 16:38.12 | dutchfish | angryuser, did you try to use a post-install module command that points to a script with a wait cycle in modules.conf? |
| 16:38.59 | themill | george: did you try reading the install guide for debian? See section 2.1.2.1. |
| 16:39.06 | angryuser | dutchfish: nope, hm, no mention of it in manpages :) |
| 16:39.09 | beardy | !ig |
| 16:39.09 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 16:40.38 | george | themill: It lists i386 but it comes in two flavours, 386SX and 386DX where the sx is craper. It makes no mention of this in the page |
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| 16:41.16 | angryuser | dutchfish: post install module command, not sure to understand, load some module later ? |
| 16:41.20 | stew | george: 386 isn't supported at all, you need a 486 |
| 16:41.21 | themill | george: did you read section 2.1.2.1 of the i386 install guide? |
| 16:41.29 | dutchfish | angryuser, i dont know if debian handles this, or was it /etc/modules see: http://linuxreviews.org/man/modules.conf/ |
| 16:41.45 | Neaai | can't a kernel 2.2 run on 386 ? |
| 16:41.50 | dutchfish | angryuser, long time ago i needed this too, sorry not sure |
| 16:41.52 | angryuser | dutchfish: debian handles everything ;) |
| 16:41.56 | stew | Neaai: yes |
| 16:42.00 | dutchfish | angryuser, :) |
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| 16:42.24 | angryuser | dutchfish: jsut dont really understand how the interaction between watchdog and the module time going |
| 16:42.33 | stew | Neaai: (so can a 2.4 kernel and, afaik a 2.6 kernel) |
| 16:42.59 | themill | Just not debian compiled stuff any more |
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| 16:43.15 | dutchfish | angryuser, well, after loaded the watchdog kernel module, you can defer further execution, with a post-install-command pointing to your own script that just has a wait loop |
| 16:43.27 | MatBoy | is it always needed to run the postfix quota patch for postfix ? |
| 16:43.35 | george | Ahh, read wrong subsection, cheers |
| 16:43.36 | dutchfish | angryuser, thats what you wanted? |
| 16:43.44 | angryuser | dutchfish: yes |
| 16:43.48 | angryuser | thank for info |
| 16:43.53 | Neaai | stew: doesn't that answer george 's question then ? |
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| 16:44.09 | nvz | installing a caching dns server locally could potentially speed up my access of websites on this cellular connection huh? |
| 16:44.16 | nvz | had an idea |
| 16:44.19 | nvz | heh |
| 16:44.26 | stew | Neaai: the answer to george's question was "386 isn't supported at all, you need a 486" |
| 16:44.29 | beardy | george: For the record 386SX didn't have a math coprocessor (IIRC), so the emulation of it is needed for that, but as said, you need a 486 for a recent Debian version. |
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| 16:45.52 | dutchfish | stew, there are patches to do just that, and run happely ono an 386 (also slow ...) |
| 16:45.58 | angryuser | i think i will just modify the init script with the simple pause() ;) |
| 16:46.09 | Neaai | nvz: actually, more than a caching dns server, your pages can load faster if you introduce a web-proxy |
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| 16:46.36 | george | beardy: Can you recommend and distributions of linux that will still run on 386's? |
| 16:46.42 | nvz | hmm I always thought of proxies as slowing things down |
| 16:46.50 | beardy | george: Will it be networked? |
| 16:46.52 | themill | dutchfish: debian doesn't run on a 386 though, which was the question. Randomly patched and recompiled debian might though. |
| 16:46.59 | nvz | but I guess you are talking about a local proxy not a public one |
| 16:46.59 | dutchfish | themill, correct |
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| 16:47.06 | beardy | george: Or rather, will it have any contact with the Internet whatsoever? |
| 16:47.16 | Neaai | nvz: I have had plenty of ocasions where proxies have made my life easier. :) |
| 16:47.48 | Neaai | nvz: well, actually the proxy I was doing was within the same lan, yes. |
| 16:47.48 | beardy | george: You could run an older Debian stable. Otherwise.. not sure. Maybe Linux From Scratch if you feel like that? Never done that myself though. |
| 16:48.25 | george | Yes, it will be networked |
| 16:48.41 | nvz | well the one challenge with either situation is the fact that I use two os's on this laptop and don't have another computer to setup as a dedicated router for this modem |
| 16:48.49 | george | I don't think i have the skills for linux from scratch, or the time |
| 16:48.54 | beardy | george: Try in ##linux too. |
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| 16:49.28 | nvz | I actually haven't figured out how to do simple tasks like SMS text messaging and signal level reading on this modem in debian yet |
| 16:49.44 | Neaai | nvz: sms gateways ? |
| 16:49.53 | beardy | george: Well, it depends how well protected it is and on you.. I'd install an older Debian version on another machine and strip it, compile a lean kernel and play on. |
| 16:49.55 | nvz | *shrugs* |
| 16:50.22 | nvz | all I know is the VZAccess software does it all.. I haven't attempted to figure out how it works yet |
| 16:50.31 | dutchfish | george, http://www.northernjourney.com/opensource/linside/li008.html |
| 16:50.33 | Neaai | nvz: there's one, kannel if I'm not mistaken. |
| 16:50.38 | nvz | I've only reverse-engineered it far enough to figure out authentication and dialup info |
| 16:50.40 | Neaai | or kanel, can't be sure |
| 16:51.11 | beardy | george: But beware of the sure to be, lots of security flaws. |
| 16:51.21 | Neaai | nvz: http://www.kannel.org/ |
| 16:51.27 | nvz | Neaai: interesting.. I've never heard of that before |
| 16:51.30 | Neaai | nvz: if that helps you |
| 16:51.37 | nvz | I'll have to check it out and see |
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| 16:52.05 | beardy | george: (install on another one, and then transfer the filesystem to the 386, that is) |
| 16:52.25 | Neaai | nvz: they say it's good but that's only heared around information. haven't used it. |
| 16:53.01 | dutchfish | george, lrp is another one |
| 16:53.11 | george | Its not going to be doing anything where security will really matter |
| 16:53.31 | nvz | Neaai: well I'm not using an actual phone but it sounds like its all the same thing. I'm installing it right now to see what it does |
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| 16:53.47 | edelholz | hello everyone. I have a basic understanding of apt-pinning, but I somehow still didn't manage it. I want to get a package and its dependecies from debian experimental without upgrading the rest |
| 16:53.58 | beardy | george: No, but you wouldn't want it malicuosly attacked and messed up by scriptkiddies. |
| 16:54.11 | nvz | !experimental |
| 16:54.11 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 16:54.36 | Neaai | nvz: I don't know much of those. But you mention you're installing it on the phone... the kannel sms gateway is to be installed on a mobile device? I thought that was more like on a server machine. |
| 16:54.39 | beardy | The damn ufeff broke it. |
| 16:54.57 | edelholz | I think I know what I'm doing and will not come for support if it breaks something, I promise :) |
| 16:55.04 | nvz | Neaai: na I'm saying there is no phone.. its a USB cell modem |
| 16:55.11 | Neaai | nvz: ah. my bad |
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| 16:55.41 | curt^ | Hey |
| 16:55.46 | beardy | Or is it a nifty new experimental feature of dpkg? |
| 16:55.55 | beardy | Nope. |
| 16:56.09 | nvz | Neaai: this software might get the text messaging working.. Its not really important I'm just trying to learn how to do everything it does under windows while I have it |
| 16:56.18 | dutchfish | !tell edelholz about pinning |
| 16:56.20 | curt^ | I am not able to get sound in vlc media player |
| 16:56.23 | nvz | Neaai: the VZAccess software for windows does two-way sms messaging, and signal readout, usage stats..etc |
| 16:56.32 | curt^ | only in totem I am able to head audio |
| 16:56.32 | Neaai | nvz: hehe. that's a much more interesting reason to fiddle with it ^^ |
| 16:56.36 | beardy | curt^: It is working elsewhere? |
| 16:56.49 | curt^ | elsewhere ? |
| 16:56.51 | beardy | curt^: Anything else using sound, while vlc is started? |
| 16:56.57 | curt^ | no |
| 16:56.59 | beardy | curt^: Yes, as in totem, like you said. |
| 16:57.22 | curt^ | even the browser, when I play videos I don`t hear anything |
| 16:57.36 | curt^ | any idea why ? |
| 16:57.57 | edelholz | hey dutchfish, I think I know pinning and there's no backport available. And I'd rather install from experimental than install the program & the dependecies from hand |
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| 16:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, perhaps he does want it attacked by script kiddies :) ... "why is this computer soooo slow" -> leaves frustrated |
| 16:59.02 | dutchfish | edelholz, well, i would rather make my own packages from source then i would rely on pinning, that way i can revert easely if backports doesnt help you |
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| 16:59.37 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: :) I think it can be fast enough.. depending on what one would want to do. |
| 16:59.56 | Neaai | nvz: this VZAccess software seems pinned for Verizon only... or is it not ? |
| 16:59.58 | dutchfish | edelholz, there are guides (sor of) that get you on your way |
| 17:00.12 | beardy | I've never run GNU/Linux on a 386. |
| 17:00.26 | Tetracomm | How do I tell Debian Etch not to load the gui/gdm automatically? |
| 17:00.28 | edelholz | dutchfish: but why shouldn't I just get the required packages from experimental? Where's the difference, other than that I have more to do? :) I've set experimental to pin priority -1, so according to the man page that should only allow me to get the packages by hand. But apt doesn't find it. |
| 17:00.32 | beardy | !nodm |
| 17:00.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 17:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | george, if you /msg dpkg i386 it'll tell you that woody was the last Debian that ran on 386 - seems sarge already had kernels only for 486 processors |
| 17:00.55 | dutchfish | edelholz, because of the dependecy hell you can run into |
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| 17:01.02 | Neaai | Tetracomm: simple way is to rename /etc/init.d/gdm to /etc/init.d/gdm.disabled |
| 17:01.15 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: its not the kernel that is the problem, it is libc6 |
| 17:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, I don't think I did ever either - I had a modern great 486 for it! ;) |
| 17:01.24 | dutchfish | edelholz, it all depends on what package you try to get from exp. |
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| 17:01.48 | edelholz | dutchfish: I want awesome 3.0 ( a tiling window manager) |
| 17:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, oh... you're right - probably it's everything that can use instructions that the 386 doesn't know |
| 17:02.02 | Pronco | Does anyone have any idea whats "syntax error in schedule.dat(221) at token '???' " mean ?\ |
| 17:02.11 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Well.. I ran it on a 486 too first time. But it wasn't when they were new.. |
| 17:02.41 | beardy | Pronco: When running what? Full command please. |
| 17:03.01 | dutchfish | edelholz, have you look at the dependecies? http://packages.debian.org/experimental/awesome (scratches his head) |
| 17:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, no, indeed they weren't :) and I think installing X or booting or something didn't work with the first distribution because there wasn't enough RAM |
| 17:03.28 | Pronco | beardy, its an error msg that keeps prompting in the terminal |
| 17:03.36 | Pronco | beardy, syslog error that is |
| 17:03.39 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: I've never run X on it. |
| 17:03.58 | beardy | Pronco: Must be more in front of it? |
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| 17:04.37 | beardy | Pronco: 'locate schedule.dat' paste please, if only one line |
| 17:04.38 | edelholz | dutchfish: Well, that's the thing, because of the dependecies I don't want to compile it manually. I set up the apt-pinning in /etc/apt/preferences, added experimental to sources.list, did apt-get update, but still apt-get -t experimental install awesome doesn't work. |
| 17:05.02 | dutchfish | edelholz, you are running stable atm? |
| 17:05.12 | Tetracomm | Neaai: Will that prevent me from starting the GUI manually by typing startx? |
| 17:05.33 | Neaai | Tetracomm: no. That only stops gdm from autostarting |
| 17:05.33 | edelholz | dutchfish: I'm running ubuntu, sorry about that ;) |
| 17:05.48 | Tetracomm | Ok, thank you. |
| 17:05.57 | Neaai | Tetracomm: you can still start even gdm manually by issuing /etc/init.d/gdm.disabled start |
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| 17:06.27 | lindenle | Is there a way to re-scan the pci bus? |
| 17:06.28 | Pronco | beardy, something like http://topic.csdn.net/u/20080519/10/3dc19f22-5e51-40ae-8bf9-510c7dd9453b.html |
| 17:07.02 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 17:07.09 | Tetracomm | So I can just type startx then? |
| 17:07.16 | Neaai | Tetracomm: yes |
| 17:07.28 | Tetracomm | Thank you. :) |
| 17:07.35 | Neaai | no mention |
| 17:07.56 | dutchfish | edelholz, i would love to help you, but i cant, if you pull this one off, i will call you GURU in the future ... |
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| 17:08.50 | edelholz | dutchfish: well that's some motiviation :) I'll get back to you |
| 17:08.59 | dutchfish | edelholz, :) |
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| 17:09.01 | edelholz | edelholz: guess I'll do some more fiddling. thanks anyhow |
| 17:09.09 | odla | i have some websites that aren't working right in iceweasel. how can i make iceweasel identify as firefox to these websites? |
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| 17:09.39 | dutchfish | edelholz, i would choose debian lenny as a starting base however |
| 17:09.46 | stew | odla: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 17:09.51 | abrotman | odla: find a UA switcher |
| 17:10.24 | dutchfish | edelholz, but thats because i am more confident with it |
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| 17:11.17 | odla | thanks stew and abrotman |
| 17:11.47 | edelholz | dutchfish: see personally I prefer ubuntu because it gives me more of a bleeding edge without all the hassle with the different branches... but that's just m e |
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| 17:12.06 | edelholz | one last question: is there a signing key for experimental? |
| 17:12.15 | odla | prefers rock solid to bleeding edge |
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| 17:12.52 | edelholz | I don't want to start a flame war, sorry :) |
| 17:13.51 | odla | man websites are so stupid sometimes |
| 17:14.44 | cads | edelholz: ubuntu ain't bad |
| 17:15.11 | dutchfish | edelholz, yes something like gpg âkeyserver the.earth.li ârecv-keys 3C0C33BB442B5BE9 (but i dont know the exact key for experimental, you have to look it up) |
| 17:15.20 | jamon | odla: we should all go back to running gopher servers |
| 17:15.28 | cads | but the ubuntu community seems weak on theory |
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| 17:16.31 | zmitya | hi all |
| 17:16.47 | beardy | jamon: Yes. |
| 17:16.55 | dutchfish | !tell edelholz about key |
| 17:16.59 | OpenTokix | cads: s/seems/is/; s/on theory// |
| 17:17.04 | zmitya | guys, csn somebody please give me a doc about postfix + sasl + courier-authlib ? |
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| 17:17.20 | abrotman | zmitya: ask #postfix and/or see www.postfix.org |
| 17:17.23 | jamon | zmitya: use dovecot :) |
| 17:17.26 | zmitya | is it possible to do smtp auth from courier-authlib ? |
| 17:17.26 | OpenTokix | zmitya: you can probably find one at debianadministration.com (not sure about the exact url) |
| 17:17.45 | edelholz | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 17:17.55 | dutchfish | edelholz, yw, and good luck |
| 17:17.56 | zmitya | OpenTokix: thx |
| 17:18.14 | zmitya | jamon: no way currently :) |
| 17:18.40 | jamon | ah well then, enjoy |
| 17:18.44 | zmitya | abrotman: I can compile it, but now I need it in debian way if it is possible |
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| 17:19.07 | abrotman | zmitya: what does what i said have to do with compiling? |
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| 17:19.38 | zmitya | abrotman: I think it is not a postfix related question |
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| 17:20.16 | cads | OpenTokix: if I have a question the #ubuntu crowd would answer I solve it on my own, and bring the real general questions and my contributions elsewhere :) |
| 17:20.26 | OpenTokix | cads: =9 |
| 17:21.51 | cads | for me it's just debian with more plush default settings.. I feel bad about that some times |
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| 17:22.02 | stew | cads: wrong channel |
| 17:22.22 | jamesstanley | Anyone know of a version of ls (or something similar) that will also give metadata? Like it'll show dimensions of an image, length of a sound, etc. |
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| 17:24.17 | cads | sorry stew, i'll try #confessional, for my sins |
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| 17:27.03 | OpenTokix | jamesstanley: That sounds awesome |
| 17:27.07 | unop | jamesstanley, the closest thing i can think of is extract |
| 17:27.14 | jamesstanley | Thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 17:28.13 | stew | jamesstanley: perhaps "file *"? |
| 17:28.26 | jamesstanley | Thanks! |
| 17:28.37 | jamesstanley | Oh that's fantastic |
| 17:28.45 | jamesstanley | I didn't know file gave dimensions of images |
| 17:29.27 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, already delved into hachoir-metadata ? |
| 17:29.51 | jamesstanley | never haerd of it |
| 17:29.53 | jamesstanley | *heard |
| 17:29.58 | dutchfish | !info hachoir-metadata |
| 17:30.57 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, my fault its python-hachoir-metadata |
| 17:31.09 | jamesstanley | ok |
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| 17:31.57 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, it also does video and archive metadata |
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| 17:32.19 | jamesstanley | cool |
| 17:32.42 | jamesstanley | thanks guys |
| 17:32.44 | cads | extract works too |
| 17:33.16 | meyou | what is the package to install dig? |
| 17:33.45 | dutchfish | meyou, dnsutils |
| 17:34.22 | beardy | !blame dutchfish |
| 17:34.22 | dpkg | blames blq and dutchfish for all the evil in the world |
| 17:34.32 | dutchfish | beardy, ? |
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| 17:34.46 | beardy | dutchfish: You said it was your fault. |
| 17:35.00 | dutchfish | beardy, it was not with ck at the end :D |
| 17:35.25 | beardy | My turn for questions mark. |
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| 17:35.34 | beardy | -s |
| 17:35.42 | dutchfish | beardy, oh that one s/s/. |
| 17:35.42 | beardy | foods. |
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| 17:37.03 | dutchfish | beardy, but i admit, i should have stated: my mistake, thanks for the correction |
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| 17:41.45 | unop | Would anyone know if there are any vi/vim based WYSIWYG programs - that allow for the flexibility of vi/vim but also allow embedding of images, tables, fonts, etc ? |
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| 17:42.07 | OpenTokix | unop: contradiction in terms |
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| 17:42.12 | beardy | Quite. |
| 17:42.22 | OpenTokix | unop: I would suggest you look at LyX |
| 17:42.36 | zxxd | hi |
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| 17:42.38 | OpenTokix | unop: it's a wysiwym LaTeX-editor, very nice |
| 17:42.56 | zxxd | is there a particular reason why /etc/host.conf in debian dosen't have order hosts,bind? |
| 17:43.44 | unop | OpenTokix, ok, i'll have a look - but does it fit in with my vim requirements? |
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| 17:43.58 | OpenTokix | unop: depends what you mean by vim requirments |
| 17:44.06 | OpenTokix | unop: it will give you wonderful documents |
| 17:44.15 | OpenTokix | unop: That looks like a million bucks |
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| 17:45.35 | unop | OpenTokix, that's not really what i am after really (tho it's a plus) - I use vim primarily, i'm used to how i work with it and i'm happy mostly with it - just that I need to be able to add images, fonts, etc to my notes |
| 17:45.59 | OpenTokix | unop: ok, I don't know of any then |
| 17:46.11 | OpenTokix | joltcan: Maybe you know? |
| 17:46.18 | OpenTokix | joltcan: mr vi-input |
| 17:46.29 | themill | unop: vim is a text editor. If you want things other than text, you need to use something other than plain text or some mark-up language within vim (e.g. latex or html) |
| 17:46.50 | OpenTokix | unop: you could write tex/latex in vim, ofc. |
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| 17:47.07 | joltcan | All sounds like ugly solutions imho |
| 17:47.22 | OpenTokix | joltcan: aye |
| 17:47.33 | joltcan | I would suggest doing latex in vi[m] |
| 17:47.45 | torrrr | I am sending mail from my server to hotmail, and I don't recieve the email |
| 17:47.46 | OpenTokix | unop: check if LyX have vim-input as option? |
| 17:48.00 | joltcan | Thats how I do it anyway, farily good |
| 17:48.03 | unop | joltcan, WYSIWYG ? |
| 17:48.19 | unop | OpenTokix, i'll explore that sure |
| 17:48.23 | themill | unop: vim is unable to do wysiwyg for anything other than plain text. |
| 17:48.40 | OpenTokix | unop: if you want wysiwyg, LyX is for you and drop the vim-idea |
| 17:48.53 | OpenTokix | unop: Get with the program |
| 17:48.55 | joltcan | unop: Your question doesn't have an answer. If you want vi flexibility, then go with vi. If you want nice output, go with latex. Combine them works |
| 17:49.06 | unop | themill, i understand that completely - i'm not saying it does WYSIWYG, i'm after something vim-based yet WYSIWYG |
| 17:49.14 | themill | torrrr: hotmail is well known for eating mail that it doesn't like. Does your machine have an MX record pointing to it? In particular, one for the domain from which you are claiming to send mail? Are you inside a residential ISP block? |
| 17:49.45 | themill | unop: how could it be vim based and wysiwig if vim can't do wysiwyg for anything other than plain text? |
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| 17:50.35 | torrrr | themill, I have a dynamic IP , and I send via my ISP gateway |
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| 17:50.56 | themill | torrrr: you're using the ISP as a "smarthost"? |
| 17:51.03 | torrrr | yes |
| 17:51.09 | unop | themill, the app (this pie-in-the-sky) could harness the potential of vim and extend upon that?? i was just asking :) |
| 17:53.25 | aragonX | I am searching for a very simple SMTP Server that accepts every mail on port 25 and passes the e-mail to a local script. Any ideas? The Packages providing mail-transport-agent seems to be to big/complicated for this setup. |
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| 17:53.40 | torrrr | themill, yes |
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| 17:55.00 | iLLf8d | hey guys whats the command to generate a new sources list or select a different mirror mines REALLY slow |
| 17:55.19 | themill | iLLf8d: vi, nano, or /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 17:55.25 | stew | iLLf8d: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:55.54 | themill | torrrr: does the domain you were using as your envelope address have an SPF record? |
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| 17:56.36 | iLLf8d | thanks |
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| 17:57.25 | unop | iLLf8d, netselect-apt i believe |
| 17:57.32 | torrrr | themill, a what? I don't know :S |
| 17:57.50 | torrrr | you mean domain keys? |
| 17:58.00 | themill | !spf |
| 17:58.00 | dpkg | [spf] the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From), at http://spf.pobox.com/ |
| 17:58.09 | themill | torrrr: similar, but more broken |
| 17:58.15 | iLLf8d | apt-spy will work out for me my I tried netselect earlier but it was complaining about my firewall blocking traceroute |
| 17:58.17 | themill | (domain keys would also be a problem) |
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| 17:58.46 | torrrr | themill, I set domain keys on my own server |
| 17:58.57 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to alter the time of a file in a tarball? i have a file that won't open since the time is in the future |
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| 17:59.08 | mick_laptop | something like touch but for tar |
| 17:59.15 | themill | torrrr: do you permit the smarthost to be a relay for your domain? |
| 17:59.29 | smacnay | When using the "asoundconf" command, to set the default card, is it asoundconf set-default-card "name" or "number"? |
| 17:59.32 | torrrr | themill, in the domain keys? |
| 17:59.55 | cahoot | smacnay: asoundconf --list-cards? |
| 18:00.12 | cahoot | maybe w/o dashes |
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| 18:00.28 | mick_laptop | ah found -m |
| 18:00.49 | mick_laptop | i was looking in the manpage for a way to change the time, i didn't think to ignore it |
| 18:00.51 | jamon | aragonX: postfix's master.cf and procmail is pretty simple |
| 18:01.05 | themill | torrrr: I know little about DKIM. Sorry. |
| 18:01.24 | stew | DomainKeys and DKIM wouldn't be affected by relay servers, you are just signing the content there |
| 18:01.25 | smacnay | cahoot: I have three listed... by name. Do I use the actual name from the list or the number they are associated with? |
| 18:01.30 | torrrr | themill, I already forgot what I knew :S |
| 18:01.47 | cahoot | smacnay: names (IIRC) |
| 18:01.51 | themill | stew: ahh. So not as broken as SPF then :) |
| 18:02.01 | stew | torrrr: what is the domain in question? does it have a TXT record? (that's where the SPF would be stored) |
| 18:02.05 | stew | themill: right |
| 18:02.24 | torrrr | stew yes it have the TXT |
| 18:02.50 | torrrr | and actually one message passed to hotmail, but only one out of many |
| 18:02.54 | aragonX | jamon: I will have a look on postfix, but I feel it is bigger than necessary. |
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| 18:03.14 | stew | torrrr: and some of the TXT record is "v=spf1" or something similar? |
| 18:03.17 | jamon | aragonX: why not write your script to listen on port 25 then? |
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| 18:04.40 | aragonX | jamon: I have less experiences with scripted servers. Do you know some perl or python modules that can assist me? |
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| 18:05.52 | torrrr | a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s768; d=(mydomain I left out here); h=received:subject:from:to:content-type:date; b=o6E/cIVjd55AJU5EhCPgc4Fifw7+1kaJrRxxklVDkCgO9M16THx8XbWUKHIR2KdGkw8m8KvYp+lv 6pdAZArCoNQsM/MmI6EyPRmyndTMkxqlU/KH5+Sh2yCJeb4BiUPM |
| 18:06.08 | valdyn | aragonX: what you want is easy, provided you can use /etc/aliases, you dont have to configure anything at the mta itself |
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| 18:07.36 | unixSnob | is listening to mccain's rhederic |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | unixSnob: wrong channel, try #politics |
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| 18:08.33 | aragonX | valdyn: I think you mean /etc/aliases and a .forward in a users home directory. But than I need a user with the same name as user@domain. Or do you mean a simpler way? |
| 18:08.40 | up365 | and try #spelling |
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| 18:11.35 | vedant | pm,b1 |
| 18:11.37 | vedant | b..bpppppp1.b |
| 18:11.38 | vedant | p1z.B.b |
| 18:11.39 | vedant | p1>.B |
| 18:11.39 | vedant | .b |
| 18:12.06 | vincent_ | ??? |
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| 18:12.42 | aragonX | valdyn: man etc-aliases say that "Please note that it is not possible to use delivery to arbitrary files, directories and to pipes." |
| 18:13.09 | valdyn | aragonX: sure, you forward all mail to one user |
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| 18:14.21 | vedant | sorry |
| 18:14.28 | vedant | my keyboard had some weird stuff |
| 18:14.38 | vedant | fixing it |
| 18:15.03 | whyzzyrd | vedant: weird stuff like a cat on it? |
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| 18:18.31 | vedant | well |
| 18:18.40 | jamon | kitty kitty kitty? |
| 18:18.42 | vedant | i have a wireless keyboard that stopped working |
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| 18:19.00 | vedant | my fingers touched some wires on it while it was connected |
| 18:19.25 | vedant | and there was a continuous string of characters on the screen |
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| 18:24.06 | DocMAX | hello |
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| 18:24.29 | DocMAX | i need to pipe the windows sound to a linux machine. how can i do this? (softwware?) |
| 18:24.48 | whyzzyrd | DocMAX: Cable. |
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| 18:25.26 | click170 | DocMAX: Psychiatrist? |
| 18:25.39 | meyou | hey what does the command 'whois' need to connect to? |
| 18:25.52 | stoned | vedant, you touched a wire on the wireless keyboard? |
| 18:25.53 | stoned | uhm. |
| 18:25.55 | meyou | i'm trying to get a firewall exception made for a server of mine |
| 18:25.58 | DocMAX | no i need to pipe the sound over network!!! using linux sound card |
| 18:26.11 | stoned | DocMAX, sound should automatically take care of it self through RDP |
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| 18:26.25 | stoned | DocMAX, otherwise you can try ##windows |
| 18:26.38 | unixSnob | netcat |
| 18:26.45 | jintxo | the only way I can think of is using PulseAudio, but never done it before. |
| 18:26.46 | stoned | stop giving stupid answers. |
| 18:26.56 | dsmelk | meyou: I dont understand you question? |
| 18:27.11 | DocMAX | i installed puleausio |
| 18:27.15 | stoned | meyou, usually a whois server |
| 18:27.18 | DocMAX | but there is no windows driver |
| 18:27.32 | meyou | dsmelk: what address on what port must be unblocked for whois to work |
| 18:27.42 | meyou | currently i get 'connect: Connection refused' |
| 18:27.50 | stoned | meyou, man whois |
| 18:28.03 | stew | meyou: 'getent services whois' |
| 18:28.09 | unixSnob | if you want to do something complicated, shoutcast will work.. but KISS, and use netcat |
| 18:28.29 | DocMAX | ?? |
| 18:28.35 | stoned | no I think he means to use regular windows sound on linux but first how is he connection |
| 18:28.36 | DocMAX | what is netcat? |
| 18:28.40 | stoned | DocMAX, what are you exactly trying to do |
| 18:28.46 | stoned | DocMAX, netcat was a stupid answer |
| 18:28.48 | stoned | don't worry about it |
| 18:29.12 | unixSnob | DocMAX: netcat will let you pipe any content over a network.. it's a swiss army knife for what you need to do |
| 18:29.18 | DocMAX | i want to redirect windows sound output over network to a linux server with a sound card connected |
| 18:29.42 | dsmelk | meyou: TCP port 43 |
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| 18:29.54 | stoned | DocMAX, how are you going to connect to it? Through RDP, or you just want the sound outputted so that you can do whatever? |
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| 18:30.45 | stoned | DocMAX, you should realy be asking this in ##windows |
| 18:30.55 | stoned | DocMAX, how is #debian going to help you work on your windows machine? |
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| 18:31.13 | stoned | DocMAX, if you needed to output the linux sound onto the network we can help you, otherway around, you need to go to ##windows |
| 18:31.14 | DocMAX | first of all i need to setup the debian server |
| 18:31.32 | DocMAX | debian sound server |
| 18:31.40 | seggy | how can I find out what journaling level I am using with my current mounted ext3 fs? |
| 18:31.44 | DocMAX | which listens to a port |
| 18:31.54 | dsmelk | meyou: the 43 port, is the default port of whois, but you can change this using -p option. |
| 18:32.04 | DocMAX | so this IS the right channel |
| 18:32.40 | stoned | DocMAX, no it isn't. #debian knows nothing about how to pipe windows sound to the network. For your debian related questions, yes, this is the right place. |
| 18:32.42 | unixSnob | DocMAX: here's instructions => http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Network |
| 18:32.47 | Anthro | I'd guess that people have heard about this already, but Crossover (commercial WiNE fork) is free tomorrow. http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20081027/ |
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| 18:32.53 | jamon | jup |
| 18:33.00 | Eulex | Anthro, as in free beer. |
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| 18:33.09 | Anthro | Eulex: Yes. |
| 18:33.14 | stoned | that means nothing |
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| 18:33.27 | stoned | we are concerned about free speech AND free beer |
| 18:33.30 | torrrr | how do I dig a txt record? |
| 18:33.40 | asg | torrrr: dig @foo domain txt |
| 18:33.58 | stoned | asg, howdy! |
| 18:34.01 | asg | hiya |
| 18:34.08 | stoned | longo time no see |
| 18:34.17 | stoned | I hope all is well in the world of asg |
| 18:34.24 | DocMAX | ok i see |
| 18:34.25 | asg | yeah, was at a conference last week. All is well but busy as usual :) |
| 18:34.26 | jamon | torrrr: you can also use dig +short if you just want the txt record ano nothing else |
| 18:35.01 | torrrr | foo=?dnsServer? |
| 18:35.11 | stoned | yes |
| 18:35.12 | Anthro | stoned: Some debian users are concerned about free/Free. Others use non-free and contrib. This is of interest to the latter group. |
| 18:35.13 | stew | torrrr: yes and that is optional |
| 18:35.13 | stoned | er. no |
| 18:35.16 | stoned | th domain |
| 18:35.23 | stoned | doh |
| 18:35.49 | torrrr | it doesn't show me the text |
| 18:36.15 | stew | Anthro: this is the wrong channel for such an announcement in any case |
| 18:36.18 | stoned | Anthro, while true, and I agree with you, as a collective we still are concerned about free speech. What are you going to do with beer if you can't speak while drunk! |
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| 18:37.07 | whyzzyrd | Anthro: Having use of something isn't the same as having something. |
| 18:37.29 | stoned | whyzzyrd, Anthro enough. |
| 18:37.33 | stoned | moving on... |
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| 18:37.39 | emilsedgh | im gonna return too debian after playing 2-3 years with ubuntu.im just wondering...is debian installer able to resize partitions during install? |
| 18:37.48 | stoned | emilsedgh, yes |
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| 18:38.02 | stoned | emilsedgh, partman is fairly featureful |
| 18:38.05 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: yes, |
| 18:38.11 | Anthro | stew: Arguable. If you aren't interested, that's fine. But Crossover is of value to Linux users who are not ideologically pure, and that describes many Debian users. Anyhow, no need to get in a twist about it. If you don't care, don't respond. |
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| 18:38.37 | stoned | Anthro, he is a moderator and its his responsibility to keep offtopic stuff out of here. |
| 18:38.51 | stoned | Anthro, if he has told you so, then kindly pay heed. |
| 18:38.52 | emilsedgh | thanks stoned, dsmelk |
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| 18:39.24 | stoned | emilsedgh, have you skimmed the debian install guide? |
| 18:39.27 | stoned | !tell emilsedgh -about ig |
| 18:39.39 | stoned | emilsedgh, you may wish to consult chapter 3 and chapter 5 |
| 18:39.48 | emilsedgh | thanks stoned, a lot :) |
| 18:39.52 | stoned | sure |
| 18:40.51 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: but take care, because the result depends what file syste you use |
| 18:40.51 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: system* |
| 18:40.51 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: don't try to do it on NTFS |
| 18:41.02 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: =P |
| 18:41.16 | stoned | !tell dsmelk -about enter |
| 18:41.23 | scorch | my monitor keeps going into power saving mode; how can I prevent it? |
| 18:41.26 | emilsedgh | oh no, no windows, its ext3 |
| 18:41.29 | stoned | scorch, after how long? |
| 18:41.35 | scorch | stoned: about 10 minutes |
| 18:41.49 | stoned | scorch, you are using any xscreensaver or gnome/kde power saving modes? |
| 18:42.20 | scorch | both in X and in a tty with no X |
| 18:42.36 | scorch | xscreensaver is set to "disable screensaver" |
| 18:42.45 | stoned | setterm -blank 0 |
| 18:42.48 | scorch | tried |
| 18:42.51 | stoned | use this to set blanking mode off |
| 18:42.53 | stoned | in cli |
| 18:43.07 | scorch | didn't help |
| 18:43.19 | stoned | have you tried to xset -dpms? |
| 18:43.34 | stoned | DPMS (Energy Star) features (power saving) |
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| 18:44.07 | scorch | I have set Option "DPMS" "FALSE" in xorg.conf |
| 18:44.13 | stew | !tell stoned about dict hypocrite |
| 18:44.48 | stoned | !tell stew about dict asshole |
| 18:44.54 | dsmelk | emilsedgh: good |
| 18:44.55 | dsmelk | stoned: sorry, my english is very trash, a don't understand your comment |
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| 18:44.57 | DocMAX | scratches his balls |
| 18:45.13 | trifler | I want new hardware |
| 18:45.18 | stoned | trifler, so buy it |
| 18:45.26 | trifler | and for it all to fit in a lian li v350b |
| 18:45.40 | trifler | stoned: I bought a snowboard instead :) |
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| 18:45.51 | trifler | now these pockets are empty |
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| 18:46.03 | trifler | But since we're all sharing |
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| 18:49.07 | hipodilski | what kind of package should I install on debian lenny/sid in order to have graphical updater which pops up when new updates are available just like in windows :) |
| 18:49.10 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 18:50.22 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.37 | Eulex | update-manager |
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| 18:51.34 | iLLf8d | trifler good choice |
| 18:51.34 | iLLf8d | dont really need new hw for debian to work and the snowboard keepsya off the computer |
| 18:51.40 | cahoot | (missing the nag popups?) |
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| 18:52.22 | vedant | stoned: yeah. i had opened it and was trying to fix it. apparently the circuit board of the integrated scroll wheel is malfunctioning. |
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| 18:53.11 | seggy | how can I find out what journaling level I am using with my current mounted ext3 fs? |
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| 18:53.35 | hipodilski | cahoot && Eulex 10xz a lot! |
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| 18:54.27 | abrotman | seggy: dumpe2fs perhaps ? |
| 18:54.37 | jamon | seggy: not sure, dumpe2fs might be a help there though e.g. |grep journal |
| 18:54.52 | Shockcore | anybody knows whats the program thats executed during install to set the network? i want to go with a static ip |
| 18:55.19 | asg | Shockcore: just edit /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces for examples) |
| 18:55.28 | seggy | k lemme check |
| 18:55.45 | Shockcore | i know |
| 18:55.49 | Shockcore | but cannot use that prog? |
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| 18:56.21 | asg | abrotman, seggy: tune2fs -l /dev/foo |
| 18:56.32 | dsmelk | Shockcore: if you need to set the interface card during the setup, CRTL+ALT+F2 and -> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | i was close-ish-horseshoe-style |
| 18:56.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:56.48 | dsmelk | Shockcore: after that -> route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:56.58 | jamon | abrotman++ |
| 18:57.04 | zmitya | guys, how can I setup that I want to install only clamav from http://volatile.debian.org, but nothing else |
| 18:57.07 | aibo | hi, i set up 2 more ips on my server, on eth0:2, eth0:3, after reboot eth0:2 and eth0:3 wasn |
| 18:57.13 | dsmelk | Shockcore: remember to change that address for your network address |
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| 18:57.36 | aibo | hi, i set up 2 more ips on my server, on eth0:2, eth0:3, after reboot eth0:2 and eth0:3 wasn't started...where i need to change something for autostarting them at boot? thx |
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| 18:57.52 | Eulex | aib, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:57.56 | Eulex | *aibo |
| 18:57.57 | asg | aibo: in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:58.06 | dsmelk | aibo: you need to put on your /etc/network/interfacer, eth0:2 auto |
| 18:58.13 | dsmelk | aibo: eth0:3 auto |
| 18:58.42 | dsmelk | aibo: after that, when you restart your machine, everything function ok |
| 18:58.48 | aibo | okay |
| 18:58.54 | seggy | asg, abrotman: that shows a bunch of info but i can't see anything that tells me if it's writeback, ordered or journal :< |
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| 18:59.01 | aibo | i have 'auto eth0:2' there |
| 18:59.04 | aibo | is it correct? |
| 18:59.14 | dsmelk | no no |
| 18:59.19 | aibo | oh |
| 18:59.20 | seggy | asg: can i assume if i haven't explicitly said it in fstab that it's the default (ordered) |
| 18:59.24 | dsmelk | aibo: yes |
| 18:59.30 | dsmelk | aibo: sorry |
| 18:59.35 | aibo | dsmelk, yes or not? |
| 18:59.42 | dsmelk | auto eth0:2 eth0:3 |
| 18:59.50 | scorch | stoned: okey, so I put a cronjob every minute to run "vbetool dpms on". That works anyway... |
| 18:59.51 | dsmelk | aibo: that is correct |
| 19:00.00 | scorch | stoned: thanks for the help anyway |
| 19:00.05 | aibo | dsmelk, okay, let's try |
| 19:00.38 | aibo | dsmelk, thx btw |
| 19:00.51 | dsmelk | aibo: to test, you need to bring down interfaces and run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:01.05 | aibo | dsmelk, i know :) |
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| 19:05.46 | colonel_newb | anyone here know how to make vncserver show the active desktop from the current user, when i set it up, it shows another desktop, with the last saved session |
| 19:07.39 | whyzzyrd | colonel_newb: x11vnc |
| 19:08.01 | MesutCanGurle | Is there anyone who knows why irc.debian.org server does not accept connections from Turkey's netblock? |
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| 19:08.58 | colonel_newb | whyzzyrd: oki, is that better than tightvnc ? i run that on my ms boxes |
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| 19:09.09 | TANATHOS | hello, anyone can help me with editing a .deb package |
| 19:09.15 | dsmelk | MesutCanGurle: security question I guest |
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| 19:09.38 | whyzzyrd | colonel_newb: I don't use it, I just know it'll do what you asked. You ought to read the docs and make a choice. |
| 19:09.49 | aibo | dsmelk, doesn't working |
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| 19:09.56 | MesutCanGurle | dsmelk i think so but do not accept the whole netblock? |
| 19:10.51 | dsmelk | aibo: pvt me, and show me your interfaces file |
| 19:11.05 | whyzzyrd | MesutCanGurle: looks like it. |
| 19:11.06 | colonel_newb | whyzzyrd: just wondered if debian made any configurations at install |
| 19:11.29 | whyzzyrd | colonel_newb: sorry, nfi. |
| 19:12.17 | MatBoy | is dcc-client ripped out of the repo ? |
| 19:12.31 | torrrr | maybe my ISP isn't relaying well the emails? |
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| 19:12.39 | kantor | hi |
| 19:12.42 | torrrr | wonders |
| 19:12.54 | MatBoy | torrrr: always blame them first ;) |
| 19:14.01 | torrrr | do I need them if I use domainkey? |
| 19:15.00 | enouf | abrotman: both dumpe2fs -h /dev/hdXX, and tune2fs -l /dev/hdXX spit out the same info - so yeah ;-) |
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| 19:15.07 | kantor | I just reinstalled debian etch. All works fine but I have problem with the flash plugin (I can't watch youtube videos for instace). I downloaded the flash plugin from the adobe webpage and installed it but the problem is the same.I'm using iceweasel |
| 19:15.07 | abrotman | enouf: WIN ME! |
| 19:15.30 | seggy | either way neither of them tell me what i need to know :< |
| 19:15.36 | robokop | in debian is there a way to get the 'original' /etc back (the one i get after installing all those packages with apt) |
| 19:15.41 | enouf | seggy: which is? |
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| 19:16.12 | enouf | seggy: run 'blkid' |
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| 19:16.37 | enouf | robokop: restore from backup |
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| 19:17.51 | desrt | hello, #debian! |
| 19:17.53 | enouf | kantor: i don't know for sure, you likely need to either a) copy over the .so from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? into your ~/.mozilla/../../plugins? or b) symlink it |
| 19:18.12 | desrt | i have a question: are there any limits on what hardware the "arm" architecture of debian can run on? |
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| 19:18.20 | desrt | (other than, obviously, it has to be an ARM chip....) |
| 19:18.44 | enouf | desrt: #debian-arm ? |
| 19:18.47 | desrt | oh |
| 19:18.51 | desrt | nice! thanks |
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| 19:18.56 | whyzzyrd | desrt: I suggest you visit the debian arm pages, and #debian-arm |
| 19:18.59 | enouf | desrt: if not, try oftc.net too |
| 19:19.05 | whyzzyrd | damn |
| 19:19.12 | desrt | 15:18 -!- desrt was kicked from #debian-arm by ChanServ [Invite only channel] |
| 19:19.16 | desrt | :/ |
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| 19:19.21 | enouf | haha .. oops :-p |
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| 19:19.32 | desrt | maybe i try oftc.net :) |
| 19:19.41 | torrrr | removed the gatway and still not reliable |
| 19:21.43 | enouf | desrt: not sure what to do about that ... hrm - check with .. i dunno :-p (have you been trolling? :-P) (not sure how/whom you ask to be 'invited') check with #freenode maybe, although it's a channel specific issue |
| 19:21.56 | desrt | well |
| 19:22.03 | desrt | when i joined the channel it was empty |
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| 19:22.19 | desrt | and it says "this channel is no longer on freenode" |
| 19:22.25 | desrt | so i've just joined the oftc one instead :) |
| 19:23.11 | enouf | desrt: yeah, freenode's ALIS says (basically) there's no such channel here |
| 19:23.38 | enouf | (although, not directly, because alis sucks asss) |
| 19:24.35 | DocMAX | scratches his balls |
| 19:24.41 | enouf | desrt: channel /topic always has some useful info |
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| 19:25.13 | enouf | notices DocMAX needs a microscope |
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| 19:25.58 | kunwon1 | enouf: no u |
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| 19:27.08 | torrrr | without my ISP gatway I see rejection due to dynamic IP |
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| 19:27.34 | torrrr | with my ISP gatway I see successfully ssent to the gateway |
| 19:27.49 | dsmelk | torrrr: of course |
| 19:28.06 | dsmelk | torrrr: the gateway is the route to any way |
| 19:28.15 | torrrr | but I don't recieve the mail in hotmail |
| 19:28.36 | torrrr | so maybe my ISP is to blame |
| 19:29.01 | dsmelk | torrrr: try to ping 64.4.50.50 |
| 19:29.23 | dsmelk | torrrr: the problem maybe DNS or blacklist |
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| 19:29.45 | dsmelk | torrrr: what is you ISP? |
| 19:30.04 | torrrr | hotmail give this link on dynamic IP block http://postmaster.live.com/ |
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| 19:30.51 | torrrr | dsmelk, no reply from ping |
| 19:31.16 | dsmelk | torrrr: maybe anybody creat a spam on this network |
| 19:31.35 | dsmelk | torrrr: and the hotmail servers block that segment |
| 19:31.39 | torrrr | most probable |
| 19:32.30 | dsmelk | torrrr: you try to send email of a stant alone email server |
| 19:32.41 | dsmelk | torrrr: local email server? |
| 19:32.46 | torrrr | yes |
| 19:33.09 | torrrr | from a local server |
| 19:33.10 | dsmelk | hum |
| 19:33.19 | torrrr | via gateway of my ISP |
| 19:33.24 | dsmelk | torrrr: that is a problem |
| 19:33.35 | dsmelk | torrrr: because any big email server |
| 19:33.50 | dsmelk | torrrr: test the DNS reverse |
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| 19:34.15 | dsmelk | torrrr: Reverse DNS don't function on stand alone servers |
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| 19:34.39 | garu | hi everyone |
| 19:34.57 | torrrr | but reverse dns don't work if you have more then one mail server then how can they check that? |
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| 19:35.35 | enouf | Just to toss this out there once again (after atleast a week, or more) newer Hitachi HDD issues, solved http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/jafo_20081008_181615 |
| 19:35.48 | garu | can someone tell me how to or direct me to a guide to install debian 4.0 on VMware? |
| 19:36.02 | dsmelk | torrrr: no, no, the reverse DNS look for the name of the server send, not domain |
| 19:36.57 | dsmelk | torrrr: is possible a domain had 3 or 4 email server with a reverse DNS configured |
| 19:37.19 | abrotman | garu: ask #vmware .. but it's pretty easy |
| 19:37.35 | garu | abrotman thanks ;) |
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| 19:40.49 | hikenboot_ | I am having trouble with QEMU and debian. I have tried both debian stable and testing. I am installing from a 32 bit host into a 64 bit virtual machine on qemu with kqemu i get the error volume not found when its installing the boot loader |
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| 19:41.30 | hikenboot_ | its obviously finding the loop file. It installs 300 packages before the error. |
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| 19:41.48 | sredna | hello |
| 19:41.52 | koskoz | is anyone here who use codeblocks ? |
| 19:42.07 | sredna | when installing, does the root directory need to be in the beginning or near the beginning of the disk? |
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| 19:42.14 | abrotman | sredna: doesn't matter |
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| 19:42.22 | sredna | ty, abrotman :) |
| 19:42.31 | abrotman | sredna: it used to, not in quite some time |
| 19:42.33 | hikenboot_ | qemu peeps think its a bug in debian installer |
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| 19:43.16 | sredna | abrotman: i was hoping that would be so :-) |
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| 19:43.37 | abrotman | used to be like 1024 blocks or something |
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| 19:43.57 | abrotman | it's been so long i really don't remember |
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| 19:44.38 | garu | guys need a little help...should I go for ubuntu server or debian server, as a complete noob in terms of "Servers"?PS: I've been using ubuntu for 1 year |
| 19:45.25 | dsmelk | garu: I dont understand your question |
| 19:45.27 | RichiH | garu: our opinion is obviously biased |
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| 19:45.59 | abrotman | garu: you're in #debian, we'll tell you Debian |
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| 19:46.09 | RichiH | garu: personally, i found that debian unstable is more stable than ubuntu stable. but that was for a desktop. |
| 19:46.18 | cahoot | you can't really retain noob status and still run a server? |
| 19:46.19 | RichiH | which is basically what abrotman just said |
| 19:46.27 | RichiH | cahoot: you can |
| 19:46.31 | RichiH | believe me, you can |
| 19:46.33 | abrotman | cahoot: install webmin! :) |
| 19:46.34 | sly007 | Hello, I want to reinstall a package (because I reconfigured debconf),how do I do that? |
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| 19:46.46 | RichiH | sly007: --reinstall |
| 19:46.47 | abrotman | sly007: aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 19:46.52 | RichiH | or that |
| 19:46.59 | simonrvn | abrotman: die |
| 19:47.01 | stew | sly007: "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" will re-run all of the debconf setting for a package if that is what you are after |
| 19:47.08 | simonrvn | oh damn, you're not a bot |
| 19:47.11 | simonrvn | :P |
| 19:47.12 | dsmelk | sly007: dpkg --reconfigure <package name> |
| 19:47.21 | dsmelk | sly007: is better I guess |
| 19:47.29 | simonrvn | abrotman: silly person |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | dsmelk: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: so i've been told recently |
| 19:47.39 | sly007 | i don't wanE: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on initscripts |
| 19:47.53 | sly007 | reinstall give me this |
| 19:48.05 | sly007 | without the "i don't wan" part |
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| 19:48.25 | RichiH | garu: from a very personal point of view, i would say that ubuntu is friendlier towards people unwilling/unable to read man pages etc (it takes time to hammer your brain into understanding manpages. we all had to do that) |
| 19:48.29 | garu | basically, I need if for a final year project, so, I'm going to have to learn to play around with a server. I dont have any prefference...I just need to know which one is the best for someone who has no experience with servers, as I considered freeBSD (advised by a lecturer), but he also told me, that is completely different from both debian and ubuntu! |
| 19:49.00 | RichiH | garu: if you just need a webserver and php etc, you will not notice any difference |
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| 19:49.12 | RichiH | garu: just make sure you use debian testing, not debian stable |
| 19:49.23 | RichiH | garu: other than that, flip a coin |
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| 19:50.11 | garu | RichiH the thing I just dont like about ubuntu, is the fact that I can't login as root.always have to do "sudo"!is that the same with debian?"ubuntu is based in debian, right :o" |
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| 19:50.34 | simonrvn | feebsd is certainly not for newbies, unless you learn quickly and can read/comprehend docs ;) |
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| 19:50.38 | simonrvn | free* |
| 19:50.39 | pleed_ | hi |
| 19:50.45 | RichiH | !based on |
| 19:50.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 19:50.53 | ||arifaX | garu: in debian you can login as root |
| 19:50.57 | garu | RichiH debian testing and not debian stable?shouldnt it be the other way round? |
| 19:50.57 | jelly-home | simonrvn: that's it! I'm forking FeeBSD. |
| 19:50.58 | pleed_ | is it possible to use just one partition for the automatic crypto lvm debian installer? |
| 19:51.03 | RichiH | garu: but yes, debian allows you to use su instead of forcing you to sudo everything |
| 19:51.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:51.25 | RichiH | garu: debian stable is _very_ stable. and thus, outdated in most people's opinion |
| 19:51.33 | ameyer | jelly-home: is that a non-free version of freebsd? |
| 19:51.48 | jelly-home | ameyer: yep! |
| 19:51.53 | ameyer | in this case, non-free/non-gratis |
| 19:51.55 | RichiH | garu: as you need it for a project, you prolly want new software |
| 19:52.33 | smev81 | i recently installed the non-free ati-driver. I'm using lenny. If i ask for fglrx_glxinfo it says it uses mesa. Do you know how to use the libgl from ati? |
| 19:52.35 | garu | RichiH is the testing one good enough not to crash on me or give me headaches during presentation?lol |
| 19:52.45 | RichiH | garu: very much so |
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| 19:52.54 | simonrvn | this isn't windows dude, sheesh |
| 19:53.17 | garu | simonrvn ubuntu's not windows as well, but sometimes, it just goes crazy.lol |
| 19:53.18 | RichiH | bbl |
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| 19:54.10 | simonrvn | i've never seen that happen unless i did it on purpose or it came from an external source. |
| 19:54.26 | garu | simonrvn fair enough |
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| 19:55.12 | garu | humn...anywayz...thanks alot for the advice guys...I'm going to use debian testing |
| 19:55.24 | garu | RichiH thanks |
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| 19:55.51 | smev81 | do you think it is something i could change via xorg.conf? |
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| 19:56.04 | sredna | what architecture is intel dual core? |
| 19:56.09 | sredna | ia64? |
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| 19:56.27 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 19:56.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 19:56.49 | torrrr | well... my ISP said that their gateway is blocked on some lists... :/ |
| 19:56.53 | stew | simonrvn: amd64 |
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| 19:56.57 | stew | sredna: amd64 |
| 19:57.00 | stew | simonrvn: hi |
| 19:57.04 | torrrr | seems like I need a fixed IP now :/ |
| 19:57.06 | simonrvn | stew: i know, that was for sredna |
| 19:57.13 | simonrvn | stew: hey dude |
| 19:57.18 | sredna | thank you, simonrvn :) |
| 19:57.26 | simonrvn | np |
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| 20:09.38 | torrrr | could I define my ISP gateway in my SPF? |
| 20:09.39 | torrrr | would that work? |
| 20:10.04 | slicer_ | hello, i got my wifi usb dingle recognised 'sarge' 'zd1211rw', i need a frontend or some other way to connect to bt home hub? |
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| 20:10.38 | slicer_ | or can i connect with iwconfig? |
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| 20:11.22 | simonrvn | torrrr: that would help a bit i think |
| 20:11.39 | simonrvn | torrrr: you'd have to get their permission first |
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| 20:12.20 | torrrr | simonrvn, why? I define it on my own domain records,no? |
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| 20:12.54 | simonrvn | *your* domain. it's their machine, they might have their own SPF set up. |
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| 20:13.20 | simonrvn | they may not want your ns providing SPF RR TXT |
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| 20:13.27 | simonrvn | for their box |
| 20:13.46 | torrrr | ah |
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| 20:14.20 | simonrvn | so email noc@yourisp or postmaster@yourisp |
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| 20:16.02 | n-iCe | who knows a good webcam stream server? |
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| 20:16.14 | DingDongSingSong | sdfsd |
| 20:16.14 | DingDongSingSong | fsd |
| 20:16.16 | DingDongSingSong | sd |
| 20:16.18 | DingDongSingSong | sd |
| 20:16.20 | DingDongSingSong | fsdfsdfsdf |
| 20:16.22 | DingDongSingSong | sd |
| 20:16.24 | DingDongSingSong | fsd |
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| 20:16.28 | DingDongSingSong | sdf |
| 20:16.30 | DingDongSingSong | sd |
| 20:16.37 | n-iCe | good |
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| 20:18.25 | cahoot | n-iCe: look at 'motion' |
| 20:18.58 | n-iCe | But that's not a stream server, is like for spy |
| 20:19.19 | cahoot | already looked at what it offers? |
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| 20:19.51 | n-iCe | cahoot: yeah, can't be browesered by ie |
| 20:20.07 | Eulex | bleh; now this is great. firefox went defunct; I'd like to ignore that fact, but firefox of course prevents a second process from being started. |
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| 20:20.55 | simonrvn | kill everything having to do with '*firefox*' |
| 20:21.40 | Eulex | I managed to get rid of it by killing its parent (my precious panel) |
| 20:21.49 | Eulex | simonrvn, even -9 didn't kill firefox-bin. |
| 20:22.41 | adb | killall -e firefox-bin |
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| 20:22.57 | Eulex | however, if killing the parent hadn't fixed it (if it had been reparented to init), I would have needed to reboot to be able to start it again. that's my complaint :) |
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| 20:27.03 | uski | Hi; anyone ever used RAID5 or RAID6 with LVM? And had some harddisk crash? I see a lot of howtos to setup such a RAID array, but I wonder what happens if the array actually becomes useful and there is a problem with the harddrives |
| 20:27.18 | uski | I don't see a lot of success stories actually |
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| 20:28.34 | Zharf | is really tempted to fully compile his system so that he can be free of that abomination called alsa |
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| 20:29.09 | Zharf | and avahi.. and other crap |
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| 20:32.42 | themill | Zharf: there's very little in debian that strictly depends on the alsa packages. (other than the ability to play sound...) |
| 20:33.19 | Zharf | themill, everything drags in alsa, arts, esd and jack |
| 20:33.29 | Zharf | I do not need any of these :/ |
| 20:33.45 | themill | Zharf: what package is being dragged in? |
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| 20:34.21 | Zharf | libasound2, libarts*, libesd*, esound*, libjack*.. |
| 20:35.29 | themill | libasound2 is part of alsa, the rest aren't |
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| 20:35.50 | Zharf | themill, yes, but all of them are useless |
| 20:35.56 | themill | so uninstall them |
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| 20:37.15 | Zharf | and uninstall tons of packages that depend on them |
| 20:37.28 | themill | so maybe they're not so useless after all |
| 20:37.47 | Zharf | they are :) |
| 20:37.52 | themill | "depends" is perhaps an indication of a relationship here. |
| 20:38.07 | Zharf | there's an alternative to alsa, making them useless |
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| 20:38.36 | nolimitsoya | themill, try USE="-esd -esound -jack" if you want to rid yourself of them |
| 20:38.50 | themill | nolimitsoya: ECHAN. |
| 20:38.53 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, alternative to alsa, as in oss? |
| 20:38.58 | themill | (and wrong nick) |
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| 20:39.02 | Zharf | nolimitsoya, oss4, specifically |
| 20:39.27 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, i dont tink thatll happen any time soon ;) |
| 20:39.35 | Zharf | nolimitsoya, I'm using oss4 rightn ow |
| 20:39.41 | Zharf | been using for a year now |
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| 20:40.07 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, yes, but the rest of the world is in gear with alsa, and i dont see that changing |
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| 20:40.30 | Zharf | nolimitsoya, the rest of the world are ignorant and don't realise how crappy alsa really is :) |
| 20:40.56 | themill | Zharf: "the rest of the world is wrong and I am right" will not get you very far |
| 20:40.56 | Zharf | but oh well, maybe I'll compile everything from scratch |
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| 20:41.29 | Zharf | themill, 95% of the world aren't developers and 90% of the rest haven't used alsa/oss APIs |
| 20:42.15 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, apart from some developers finding the oss api easier to work with, what does oss do that alsa doesnt? |
| 20:42.24 | themill | Zharf: it's still a crap way of convincing anyone of anything. The more you say things like this, the more you sound like you are ranting and the less attention I will pay you except for thinking of you as a troll. |
| 20:42.29 | Zharf | nolimitsoya, it works for instance, alsa never worked properly for me |
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| 20:42.58 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, well in that, there are tons of people who are not you ;) |
| 20:43.03 | Eulex | Zharf, most developers do not need to interface directly with alsa. the alsa api is powerful, and thus complicated. |
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| 20:43.13 | Zharf | Eulex, and undocumented |
| 20:43.31 | Zharf | there's hardly a single app which uses it in the same way :) |
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| 20:43.37 | Zharf | OSS API is also powerful |
| 20:43.52 | Zharf | the difference is that it's well designed |
| 20:44.20 | nolimitsoya | Zharf, what about filing a bugreport for the missing docs? ;o) |
| 20:44.31 | Eulex | Zharf, so what's http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/ ? |
| 20:44.47 | Zharf | Eulex, a lot of it is still undocumented |
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| 20:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, weird way of seeing this... except for that it works as in "plays sound" I don't really give sh...shelves if it's alsa or oss |
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| 20:52.52 | zahna | is there a way to skip making the non-root user when installing debian? |
| 20:53.08 | emilien | need help configuring gnome , want to change panel size , front size , i tried gnome conf tool no idea how to edit |
| 20:53.20 | stoned | zahna, you wish to enable root? |
| 20:53.46 | zahna | stoned: root is already enabled. i simply wish to not create the non-root user when installing. |
| 20:53.52 | stoned | zahna, I think you can accomplish that with a lower debconf_priority paramter to the kernel |
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| 20:54.09 | stoned | zahna, default priority doesn't ask. You must use low or medium. |
| 20:54.21 | stoned | zahna, do you know how to pass boot paramters to the installer/ |
| 20:54.24 | zahna | i'll have to lookup debconf_priority |
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| 20:54.54 | zahna | stoned: to the installer? no. would that be in the grub menu? |
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| 20:55.12 | stoned | zahna, when you see debian boot prompt from cd or if you are using another grub to boot the installer, simply in the former case type debconf_prioty=low ENTER |
| 20:55.28 | zahna | oh! i do it there... cool |
| 20:55.31 | stoned | zahna, in the latter case, inside menu.lst there is a root= line, after that append it |
| 20:55.53 | zahna | i'll have to try that out |
| 20:55.54 | stoned | zahna, latter only IF you are booting the debian installer via another grub/os |
| 20:56.00 | zahna | right |
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| 20:56.17 | zahna | reads about debconf_priority |
| 20:56.19 | stoned | zahna, for more practicality you would want medium, as low might be too much for you, as it seems you don't know enough. |
| 20:56.49 | iLLf8d | lo all there used to be an applet in gnome that would let you select the wireless network from a list it seems the package name has changed can anyone tell me what the new package name is and what the applet name is to add to the dock? |
| 20:56.53 | zahna | well, i'm coming in from the RH world |
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| 20:57.57 | themill | iLLf8d: nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
| 20:58.26 | iLLf8d | thanks that helps alot I checked the readme it makes no mention of the applet itself |
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| 20:59.21 | hellues | how can i connect debian system`s clock with ntp`s clock |
| 20:59.42 | stoned | !tell hellues -about ntp |
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| 20:59.54 | stew | hellues: "aptitude install ntp" should do it |
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| 21:00.09 | hellues | i shuld install ntp |
| 21:00.17 | hellues | sorry i installed ntp |
| 21:00.49 | memnon | I use ntpdate for my (privat) laptop |
| 21:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at /etc/ntp.conf for your server configuration - but the default debian servers seem to work fine for me |
| 21:01.03 | stoned | I think ntpdate is deprecated? |
| 21:01.11 | stoned | in favor of ntp |
| 21:01.16 | chiak | stoned: why? |
| 21:01.18 | stoned | (I am not positive) |
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| 21:01.20 | memnon | Is it? Never heard of it... |
| 21:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... I think ntpdate makes a lot more sense on a machine that is booted a lot (and might have quite an inaccurate internal clock) |
| 21:01.47 | stoned | obsolete and unmaintianed |
| 21:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a combination of ntp+ntpdate |
| 21:01.56 | stew | hellues: then your clock should be syned. you might check that you have the iburst setting in ntp.conf so that it will sync more quickly, (/msg dpkg iburst ; /msg dpkg ntpdate) |
| 21:01.59 | stoned | !tell chiak -about ntpdate |
| 21:02.21 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: ntp can sync the clock without using ntpdate |
| 21:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | can I force this from a running system? |
| 21:02.55 | memnon | Yes it can, but I sync only once a day, so a daemon seems overkill |
| 21:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've only seen ntpdate do it |
| 21:03.00 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: force what? |
| 21:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | syncing if the clock runs wild and free at some different time |
| 21:03.38 | stew | memnon: why would you only want to be synced once a day instead of all the time? |
| 21:03.56 | memnon | stew: Because I am not online all the time: It is a laptop. |
| 21:03.59 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude install ntp && /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 21:03.59 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.05 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.12 | dondelelcaro | memnon: that's still fine; ntpd can handle not having connectivity |
| 21:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | without the leading space... |
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| 21:05.03 | memnon | Basic Question: If it is obsolete, how would I know? |
| 21:05.30 | jamon | memnon: good question, try asking dpkg for future packages ;) |
| 21:05.42 | robokop | is there a way I can reconfigure all my packages (including resetting all /etc/* files to the package version) |
| 21:05.51 | themill | dpkg: tell memnon about obsolete |
| 21:06.35 | themill | (although ntpdate is still in the archive) |
| 21:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh - so 0.debian.pool.ntp.org is actually a bunch of servers and somehow your location determines which one you get (hopefully the closest?) |
| 21:07.43 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: the ntp-pool is suitable for just about anyone |
| 21:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | from the US I'm pinging 87.106.72.109 from Germany 192.43.244.18 for 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 21:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and one gives around 15 ms ping round-trip, the other around 25 |
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| 21:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, neat - DNS always returns 5 hosts for 0.debian.pool.ntp.org - but they're 5 different ones depending on from where I make the DNS query |
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| 21:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not true, they're different ones all the time |
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| 21:16.14 | hellues | hey |
| 21:16.37 | hellues | debian:/home/hellues# ntpdate |
| 21:16.37 | hellues | 27 Oct 23:12:01 ntpdate[7376]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 21:16.43 | hellues | is iit a problem ? |
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| 21:20.30 | hellues | someone there ? |
| 21:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellues, I think you have to supply a server name when you run it this way - check the manpage |
| 21:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, nobody here, not even the ones that are here |
| 21:20.49 | memnon | try ntpdate-debian |
| 21:21.37 | memnon | From /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/readme.debian: |
| 21:21.40 | memnon | ntpdate doesn't parse the /etc/ntp.conf file. The program |
| 21:21.41 | memnon | ntpdate-debian is provided that reads its server list from |
| 21:21.41 | memnon | /etc/default/ntpdate or alternatively from /etc/ntp.conf. |
| 21:21.41 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.12 | memnon | grummel |
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| 21:22.39 | memnon | I am still new here ;) |
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| 21:22.54 | enouf | hellues: remove ntpdate, you only need ntp |
| 21:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's why you get kicked |
| 21:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | kicks memnon |
| 21:23.24 | memnon | Sorry. will not happen again. |
| 21:23.31 | enouf | oh man, i'm real late .. nm then |
| 21:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
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| 21:24.19 | hellues | enouf, |
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| 21:24.27 | hellues | i am searching |
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| 21:24.43 | hellues | but everywhere say " install ntpdate" |
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| 21:25.44 | zekefast | Hello guys! Can't find mencoder in lenny. Does anybody know where it is? |
| 21:25.46 | hellues | nothing in /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 21:26.13 | enouf | hellues: everywhere? |
| 21:26.17 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 21:26.17 | dpkg | it has been said that ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 21:26.24 | hellues | p mencoder - MPlayer's Movie Encoder |
| 21:26.28 | hellues | i have lenny |
| 21:26.32 | hellues | enouf, i mean |
| 21:26.39 | hellues | in every web site about ntp |
| 21:26.40 | enouf | how about that everywhere :-P |
| 21:26.45 | hellues | say install |
| 21:26.49 | hellues | ntpdate |
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| 21:27.12 | hellues | what can i do to set system clock to ntp |
| 21:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | zekefast, debian-multimedia, perhaps? (/msg dpkg debian-multimedia ) |
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| 21:27.22 | stew | hellues: "aptitude install ntp" |
| 21:27.35 | hellues | stew, |
| 21:27.41 | hellues | i already installed it |
| 21:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | zekefast, but I thought the stuff made it into regular Debian repositories now.... |
| 21:27.54 | zekefast | CutMeOwnThroat, Thank, will try. |
| 21:27.58 | hellues | hmm |
| 21:28.00 | hellues | yues |
| 21:28.05 | stew | hellues: then your clock should be synced via ntp already, read what dpkg said abve about iburst and -g |
| 21:28.07 | hellues | its debian.multimed.org |
| 21:28.12 | hellues | package zekefast |
| 21:28.20 | hellues | try www.apt-get.org |
| 21:28.24 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: mplayer did, not mencoder |
| 21:28.34 | robokop | is there an easy way in witch i can fetch .deb files of all packages i have installed? |
| 21:28.38 | stew | zekefast: no, not apt-get.org, but debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:28.50 | hellues | no |
| 21:28.50 | emilien | need help changin icon size in gnome panel , tried ##gnome no one answered xD |
| 21:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ah, that explains it - kind of weird though, as they at least share the same manpage (and probably a lot of code) |
| 21:29.01 | hellues | you can find the address from apt-get.org |
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| 21:29.23 | hellues | stew, dpkg iburst -g |
| 21:29.24 | hellues | ? |
| 21:29.30 | stew | hellues: /msg dpkg ntpdate |
| 21:29.53 | meyou | robokop: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:29.55 | meyou | ? |
| 21:29.56 | hellues | i have this message :D |
| 21:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, the latest ones you installe are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ anyways |
| 21:30.11 | stew | hellues: read that message, and in particular, the parts which mention iburst and -g |
| 21:30.16 | robokop | meyou: these are not complete |
| 21:30.21 | dondelelcaro | robokop: aptitude download '~i' |
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| 21:31.26 | dondelelcaro | robokop: that assumes that the versions that you've got installed are the most recent, of course. |
| 21:31.43 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, the ones that would be installed if you ran aptitude install foopkg) |
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| 21:33.28 | el_alexluna | hi all! |
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| 21:33.53 | iLLf8d | greetings all! |
| 21:33.54 | el_alexluna | i'd like to know, with which options was compiled a package |
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| 21:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, also... apt-mirror perhaps (?) haven't used it, though... but looks like just the thingy to get " a part of [..] Debian GNU/Linux distribution" |
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| 21:34.49 | stew | el_alexluna: get the source of the package with "apt-get source packagename" will will extract the source in $PWD. the debian/rules file in that source is the makefile used to build the package |
| 21:35.08 | el_alexluna | stew, excellent, thanks a lot |
| 21:35.12 | zekefast | Year! Not it found it! Thanks, Guys! :) |
| 21:35.17 | iLLf8d | I'm hoping someone will know why my cpu frequency scaling monitor isnt allowing me to switch governors or frequency altho it appears supported in acpi-cpufreq command? |
| 21:35.18 | zekefast | Now |
| 21:35.22 | zekefast | sorry :) |
| 21:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, that or apt-move :) |
| 21:35.35 | dondelelcaro | iLLf8d: does cpufreq-set allow you to switch it? |
| 21:36.28 | robokop | dpkg-query -l | awk '$1=="ii" {print $2}' | xargs aptitude download |
| 21:36.46 | robokop | ls |
| 21:37.08 | robokop | sorry wrong focus |
| 21:37.13 | dondelelcaro | robokop: uh... that's a total waste of effort. |
| 21:37.25 | dondelelcaro | robokop: there's a reason why I gave you the command that I gave. The '~i' was not a typo. |
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| 21:37.37 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't know what it means, you need to read the aptitude manual, and learn about search terms) |
| 21:37.46 | robokop | dondelelcaro: it didn't download anything |
| 21:38.18 | iLLf8d | dondelelcaro checking now one sec please |
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| 21:40.05 | dondelelcaro | robokop: well, if you're going to do it that way, you want COLUMNS=2000; before you want dpkg-query. |
| 21:40.27 | stew | and use '^.i' instead of 'ii' |
| 21:40.31 | iLLf8d | dondelelcaro looks like it will if I sudo first must be a permission issue of some kind |
| 21:40.50 | iLLf8d | as user it errors |
| 21:40.57 | robokop | dondelelcaro: why the COLUMNS? |
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| 21:41.13 | stew | robokop: so that packagenames aren't truncated |
| 21:41.59 | dondelelcaro | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i'|xargs aptitude download; is probably even better... |
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| 21:42.22 | mattfury | home sweet home |
| 21:42.25 | mattfury | <3 apt |
| 21:43.01 | cloakable | heh |
| 21:43.41 | pherthyl_ | anyone here using the 177,80 nvidia drivers with xserver 1.5? Apparently its supposed to work but nvidia-glx conflicts with xserver 1.5 |
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| 21:43.54 | mattfury | gentoo is too code-monkey, fedora is red-hat (burnt), and ubuntu? NOOBS?~! |
| 21:44.12 | pherthyl_ | not sure if thats because I messed something up or because its just not updated yet |
| 21:44.25 | mattfury | netinstall? |
| 21:44.31 | adb | !tell mattfury about ask |
| 21:44.50 | stoned | pherthyl_, #nvidia. Binary nvidia drivers are not supported here (unless you use the debian packages) |
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| 21:46.08 | hellues | hey |
| 21:46.13 | stoned | hi |
| 21:46.15 | hellues | driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
| 21:46.15 | hellues | statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/ |
| 21:46.29 | hellues | that is driftfile and statsdir |
| 21:46.43 | hellues | i wrote driftfile .. |
| 21:46.48 | hellues | say command not found |
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| 21:47.17 | stoned | thats just dumb ;) |
| 21:47.24 | hellues | oooooooooo |
| 21:47.29 | hellues | i guss i am wronf |
| 21:47.33 | pherthyl_ | stoned: its unlikely to be a problem with the driver. Its the debian packaging... but I'll check at #nvidia |
| 21:47.48 | hellues | i guess i must add this to /etc/ntp.conf |
| 21:47.51 | stoned | pherthyl_, what exactly is the problem in debian packaging regarding nvidia? |
| 21:48.08 | stoned | pherthyl_, or Xorg |
| 21:48.28 | hellues | but |
| 21:48.38 | hellues | i have install ntp ntpdate ntp-server |
| 21:48.38 | pherthyl_ | the nvidia-glx package conflicts with xserver-xorg-core 1.5.2 |
| 21:48.50 | pherthyl_ | so I can't install the package |
| 21:48.54 | hellues | but i dont have /etc/ntp.conf |
| 21:48.55 | stoned | pherthyl_, which release? |
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| 21:49.03 | pherthyl_ | 177.80 |
| 21:49.06 | pherthyl_ | experimental |
| 21:49.13 | stoned | experimental is also not supported here. |
| 21:49.19 | pherthyl_ | heh. ok |
| 21:49.19 | hellues | why do you use experimental |
| 21:49.21 | pherthyl_ | thanks |
| 21:49.25 | stoned | welcomne. |
| 21:49.28 | hellues | :D |
| 21:49.31 | hellues | stoned |
| 21:49.36 | hellues | is it weird |
| 21:49.36 | stoned | thats me |
| 21:49.37 | stew | judd: conflicts nvidia-glx --release experimental |
| 21:49.38 | judd | stew: nvidia-glx -- Conflicts: nvidia-glx-dev (<< 1.0.8774-5), nvidia-glx-src |
| 21:49.45 | pherthyl_ | because KDE4 + Nvidia drivers has quite poor performance |
| 21:49.46 | hellues | i installed ntp ntpdate ntp-server |
| 21:49.54 | pherthyl_ | and 177.80 fixes those performance problems |
| 21:49.56 | hellues | but i dont have /etc/ntp.conf |
| 21:50.04 | hellues | should i create myself ? |
| 21:50.06 | pherthyl_ | I guess I can downgrade to xorg 7.3 |
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| 21:50.12 | pherthyl_ | then it works. |
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| 21:50.50 | stoned | hellues, /etc/ntp.conf <-- inside package ntp |
| 21:51.00 | hellues | i installed ntp |
| 21:51.09 | stoned | hellues, dpkg -L ntp|grep conf |
| 21:51.12 | hellues | but my system doesnt have this file |
| 21:51.17 | hellues | okey |
| 21:51.39 | stoned | hellues, which debian release are you using? |
| 21:51.54 | stoned | I am on testing and i just installed ntp, i have this file |
| 21:52.01 | hellues | lenny |
| 21:52.13 | stew | hellues: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:52.20 | hellues | i have installed openntp |
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| 21:52.27 | hellues | i will install ntp |
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| 21:53.38 | stoned | O_o |
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| 21:53.38 | stoned | hellues, can I have some of what you are smoking? |
| 21:53.39 | hellues | stodan, |
| 21:53.39 | hellues | sorry |
| 21:53.39 | adb | !smoking |
| 21:53.39 | dpkg | somebody said smoking was bad! |
| 21:53.39 | hellues | stoned, |
| 21:53.45 | hellues | http://www.debianadmin.com/ntp-server-and-client-configuration-in-debian.html#more-317 |
| 21:53.49 | hellues | is it good ? |
| 21:53.50 | mattfury | i dont smoke |
| 21:53.51 | stodan | stones hellues |
| 21:53.54 | nse | Greeting everyone. What are the packages I need to run flash applications with Iceweasel when I run Lenny? |
| 21:53.55 | stoned | lets see |
| 21:53.56 | hellues | :d |
| 21:54.12 | stoned | #apt-get install ntp ntpdate ntp-server |
| 21:54.13 | stoned | This will install all the required packages for NTP |
| 21:54.17 | stoned | ^^ wrong. |
| 21:54.19 | stoned | !ntp |
| 21:54.19 | dpkg | somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 21:54.28 | hellues | stone cold crazy yo stodan :D |
| 21:54.41 | stoned | see above |
| 21:54.50 | hellues | okey |
| 21:55.00 | hellues | i removed ntpdate ntp-server |
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| 21:55.31 | hellues | but must i add pool.ntp.org to /etc/ntp.conf |
| 21:55.36 | stew | nse: gnash if you want a free flash player, flashplugin-nonfree if you want the non-free plugin (which is in contrib: /msg dpkg contrib) |
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| 21:55.56 | stoned | its really not that complex bro |
| 21:56.08 | memnon | nse: google debian flash gives me this: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 21:56.09 | stew | hellues: the debain ntp.conf would have 0.debian.pool.ntp.org which will work |
| 21:56.18 | mattfury | gnome or kde? |
| 21:56.24 | chiak | flashplugin-nonfree is the "original" flash player from Adobe |
| 21:56.46 | mattfury | ...x11 |
| 21:56.46 | stoned | dmm has an updated package |
| 21:56.50 | stoned | its called something else, hang on |
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| 21:57.06 | stoned | flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 21:57.37 | evilsporkman2 | how do I build g++-3.4 from the gcc-3.4 source package? (pdo says that's the right source package; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot only produced gcc-3.4 debs) |
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| 21:57.46 | OpenTokix | Nothing like updating sid 10pm at night listening to some alternative rock |
| 21:57.46 | hellues | stodan, |
| 21:57.55 | stoned | for real... |
| 21:57.59 | stoned | hellues, stoned. |
| 21:58.08 | memnon | nse: I have flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:58.11 | enouf | !b-e evilsporkman2 |
| 21:58.11 | dpkg | evilsporkman2: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:58.15 | enouf | maybe |
| 21:58.22 | stoned | no |
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| 21:58.29 | mattfury | /rm half-life |
| 21:58.31 | stodan | stones hellues to death |
| 21:58.37 | mattfury | /install metal |
| 21:58.40 | evilsporkman2 | enouf: already installed |
| 21:58.57 | hellues | i change this line server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic to server pool.tp.org iburst -g |
| 21:59.01 | hellues | is it true |
| 21:59.13 | stoned | I've never tried to build gcc but uhm... lets see |
| 21:59.18 | stew | hellues: no, don't change that line at all |
| 21:59.20 | enouf | evilsporkman2: is there a target you're forgetting? |
| 21:59.33 | nse | thank you for the answer, stew. I've installed through apt-get mozilla-plugin-gnash. It seems that the puglin is enabled at the Iceweasel configuration section but still flash programs don't work after reinitializing the browser. |
| 21:59.36 | evilsporkman2 | enouf: I don't know about these targets of which you speak |
| 21:59.45 | stoned | is g++ contained within the gcc package? |
| 21:59.47 | hellues | stew, add this to /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 22:00.15 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.16 | hellues | <hellues> is it true |
| 22:00.16 | stew | hellues: i would recommend not changing ntp.conf |
| 22:00.22 | hellues | hmm |
| 22:00.24 | stew | hellues: no, it is not true |
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| 22:00.35 | hellues | okey |
| 22:00.40 | hellues | not change this |
| 22:00.42 | stew | nse: what version of debian are you running? gnash definately won't work on all flash sites |
| 22:00.45 | enouf | evilsporkman2: well, apt-get build-dep g++-version to start, then wherever you got your dkpg-buildpackage rfakeroot command from will tell you |
| 22:00.55 | hellues | this is automatically synced to ntp |
| 22:01.03 | hellues | when i installed ntp package |
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| 22:01.09 | stoned | yes there is an ntpd |
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| 22:01.28 | hellues | hmm |
| 22:01.33 | nse | stew: Lenny. The website is http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html a very important website to listen to Dutch words. |
| 22:01.34 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.37 | mattfury | headbangs |
| 22:01.49 | stoned | mattfury, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 22:01.49 | enouf | stoned: and evilsporkman2 ~$ apt-cache showsrc gcc |
| 22:02.05 | mattfury | your stoned? |
| 22:02.08 | hellues | how can i see ntp time in shall |
| 22:02.10 | evilsporkman2 | enouf: sid doesn't know about g++-3.4 any more...that's probably why the sid source package for gcc-3.4 doesn't build g++-3.4 >_< |
| 22:02.23 | enouf | evilsporkman2: i suppose gcc-default is installed? |
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| 22:02.36 | evilsporkman2 | I'm on lenny actually, just happens to be set up to grab source packages from sid |
| 22:02.37 | nse | stew: do you believe installing some nonfree software is a good escaping option for me? |
| 22:02.42 | enouf | evilsporkman2: er gcc-defaults |
| 22:02.57 | evilsporkman2 | neither of those releases have a g++-3.4 package, hence the attempt to build |
| 22:03.05 | enouf | ... |
| 22:03.09 | stew | nse: if you need to view a site that requires flash 9 it is your only option in linux |
| 22:03.12 | enouf | judd: versions g++ |
| 22:03.13 | judd | enouf: g++: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch) 4:4.3.2-2 (lenny) 4:4.3.2-2 (sid) |
| 22:03.28 | enouf | ewww 3.4? wtf? |
| 22:03.38 | hellues | are there a way to run safari web browser on debian |
| 22:03.43 | enouf | see sdn |
| 22:03.47 | hellues | i am not glad iceweasel |
| 22:03.47 | enouf | !sdn |
| 22:03.47 | dpkg | somebody said snapshots was an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 22:03.54 | stew | judd: versions g++-3.4 |
| 22:03.54 | judd | stew: g++-3.4: 3.4.6-5 (etch) |
| 22:03.59 | evilsporkman2 | (yes, I really DO want g++-3.4. I'm doing research with virtutech simics and it's finicky enough without changing major compiler versions |
| 22:03.59 | hellues | and opera and epiphany |
| 22:03.59 | chiak | hellues: wine? |
| 22:04.08 | maligor | I think 4.1 is the oldest in sid |
| 22:04.10 | hellues | wine doesnt work safari |
| 22:04.19 | evilsporkman2 | can I just install the etch package, or will that break things horribly |
| 22:04.21 | nse | stew: doesn't sound very goed to me, but that's what I'll do. is flashplugin-nonfree what i need? |
| 22:04.26 | enouf | stew: ok, i give up, what am i missing? |
| 22:04.29 | stew | nse: yes |
| 22:04.33 | chiak | hellues: for opera: http://wiki.debian.org/Opera |
| 22:04.38 | hellues | no |
| 22:04.39 | thirst | is there another player like xmms which has the same look and feel |
| 22:04.42 | hellues | i have opera |
| 22:04.43 | chiak | sorry |
| 22:04.48 | evilsporkman2 | thirst: what, you mean like winamp? ;) |
| 22:04.49 | hellues | i am not glad from opera |
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| 22:04.56 | enouf | stew: how can etch have both versions? or even 2 versions |
| 22:04.59 | hellues | i actually use safari |
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| 22:05.12 | hellues | wonna use safari |
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| 22:05.37 | stew | enouf: different package names from different source packages |
| 22:06.06 | evilsporkman2 | by the way, why is the new hotness to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 22:06.14 | chiak | hellues: http://phorolinux.com/how-to-run-safari-in-linux-using-wine.html, not tested |
| 22:06.26 | enouf | stew: tell me this is some sort of exception please, otherwise i'll need to unlearn everything i know about etch and versioning |
| 22:06.29 | thirst | evilsporkman2, yup.. i always had xmms on my system..for last 8 yrs... i didnt realize it was removed until i just tried a fresh install.. |
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| 22:07.08 | stew | evilsporkman2: more sophisticated dependency resolution and searching |
| 22:07.20 | deus___ | bye |
| 22:07.27 | stew | enouf: this is just like how etch can have both linux-image-2.6.18-* and linux-image-2.6.24-* |
| 22:07.53 | enouf | stew: ahh .. ok, yep, those are exceptions though, no? |
| 22:07.59 | evilsporkman2 | sigh, there's version skew between the etch package and lenny's gcc-3.4 |
| 22:08.00 | stew | no |
| 22:08.12 | enouf | starts unlearning |
| 22:08.14 | stew | enouf: or could have libsomething0 and libsomething1 |
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| 22:08.50 | stew | enouf: python2.4 and python2.5... |
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| 22:09.03 | enouf | stew: but what determines the "default" as judd noted, it's 4.1.1-15 |
| 22:09.13 | enouf | ouch |
| 22:09.21 | evilsporkman2 | and sdn is unhelpful about g++-3.4...http://snapshot.debian.net/g++ is the wrong thing, and http://snapshot.debian.net/g++-3.4 is 404 |
| 22:09.36 | enouf | stew: and all that got in, prior to April 2007? |
| 22:09.40 | enouf | wait, no |
| 22:09.44 | enouf | not the kernel |
| 22:09.59 | stew | enouf: the maintainer of the gcc package determines which gets run wen you run "g++" |
| 22:10.03 | enouf | hence 4.0rX releases |
| 22:10.12 | stew | enouf: all what got in? |
| 22:10.13 | enouf | i see |
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| 22:10.45 | stew | evilsporkman2: why do you have to compile g++-3.4 instead of using a precompiled version? |
| 22:10.46 | enouf | the variations of kernel + python + g++ versions |
| 22:11.06 | evilsporkman2 | stew: I would love one, but there isn't one for lenny |
| 22:11.14 | stew | evilsporkman2: can you not install the one from etch? |
| 22:11.23 | stew | enouf: this has been going on forever |
| 22:11.37 | enouf | yeah, i suck |
| 22:11.39 | evilsporkman2 | stew: then I have to install the deps from etch, which is kind of obnoxious |
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| 22:11.42 | auser | hey |
| 22:12.03 | enouf | i've been long away from etch/stable procedural things |
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| 22:12.25 | stew | judd: depends g++-3.4 |
| 22:12.26 | judd | stew: g++-3.4 -- Depends: gcc-3.4-base (= 3.4.6-5), gcc-3.4 (= 3.4.6-5), libstdc++6-dev (= 3.4.6-5), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4) |
| 22:12.53 | stew | evilsporkman2: yeah, you'd have to install gcc-3.4-base gcc-3.4 libstdc++6-dev |
| 22:12.59 | auser | I've got an interesting question... I don't want to mess with my /etc/hosts file for one command... but I want to be able to use a mapped name to refer to an ip address... meaning... I want to be able to say something like: [set hostname for this command only of a remote machine to master] && ping(master) |
| 22:13.30 | enouf | stew: now, would he not need to alter the /usr/bin/g++ symlink to point at /g++-3.4.x to make use of it as default? |
| 22:13.33 | stew | auser: i'd guess you'd have to use LD_PRELOAD |
| 22:13.44 | auser | hm |
| 22:13.50 | auser | not familiar.. |
| 22:13.55 | stew | enouf: hopefully the makefiles are prepared to look at an env variable |
| 22:14.06 | mattfury | has snake: highscore? |
| 22:14.07 | enouf | oh, ok - i see |
| 22:14.11 | enouf | thanks |
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| 22:14.14 | abrotman | auser: set an environment variable ? |
| 22:14.23 | stew | mattfury: please keep it on-topic |
| 22:14.31 | mattfury | what is on-topic? |
| 22:14.35 | auser | ah, that's a good idea abrotman, I don't know why I didn't think of that |
| 22:14.35 | slicer_ | i got my wifi up, yeeeeey |
| 22:14.38 | auser | hah, so easy |
| 22:14.38 | stew | mattfury: debian end-user support |
| 22:14.49 | abrotman | auser: because they you wouldn't have been able to come here and ask us? :) |
| 22:14.50 | auser | thanks |
| 22:14.55 | nse | stew: It's awesome. The package needed contrib at the sources.list but during its installating some kind of automatic downloading program is installing software from macromedia.com |
| 22:15.03 | enouf | s/they/then |
| 22:15.07 | auser | really I just want to find any reason to come and say hi |
| 22:15.22 | slicer_ | i think i'll write a deffinitive guide for the philips snu5600 |
| 22:15.49 | enouf | !break auser and give him a real reason |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | tells auser and give him a real reason how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
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| 22:15.56 | mattfury | anyone up for a game of half-life? |
| 22:16.06 | nse | When such a thing happens while I am using Debian programs I think - This is the time to go back tio my old manuals. |
| 22:16.14 | abrotman | mattfury: you're in the wrong channel, this channel is for Debian support |
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| 22:16.36 | enouf | mattfury: please stop, thanks |
| 22:16.59 | enouf | does good cop role :-p |
| 22:17.06 | mattfury | i didnt sleep last night |
| 22:17.14 | nse | I believe he wants to play with real goos people. ;) |
| 22:17.25 | nse | s/goos/good |
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| 22:17.49 | mattfury | my body was asleep. but my mind was still working |
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| 22:17.58 | evilsporkman2 | stew: thanks for breaking it down for me, g++-3.4 installed now |
| 22:18.03 | stew | mattfury: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 22:19.54 | enouf | stew: ahh .. i just noticed how very helpful the depends '>= version' are - it's nice he doesn't need a new (older) libc6 :-p |
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| 22:20.51 | evilsporkman2 | enouf: that's what I thought was going to be obnoxious...this is not my first time ;) |
| 22:21.27 | enouf | evilsporkman1: there is no spork :-p |
| 22:21.38 | enouf | only bjork ;-) |
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| 22:26.42 | heavenquake__ | it's probably offtopic, but it can't hurt to ask: does any of you have experience configuring a zyxel router, and care to lend me a hand for a few seconds? |
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| 22:28.34 | abrotman | there is a #networking |
| 22:28.45 | smacnay | Hi, I have tried to blacklist several modules using the recommended additions to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and still all unwanted modules are loading. Are there other mechanisms like discover that can interfere with blacklisting modules? |
| 22:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hurts heavenquake__ for asking |
| 22:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:29.07 | hellues | works works works |
| 22:29.12 | hellues | mıuhahah muhahah muhahah |
| 22:29.13 | heavenquake__ | CutMeOwnThroat: ouch! |
| 22:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 22:29.20 | hellues | safari works :D |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 22:29.32 | smacnay | missed heavenquake__'s question |
| 22:29.42 | smacnay | abrotman: heh - I did that too... |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | smacnay: did you dpkg-reconfigure your ekrnel? |
| 22:30.08 | smacnay | abrotman: no - I didn't see anything about that... |
| 22:30.21 | heavenquake__ | smacnay: I need to configure my zyxel router to allow that I visit my server from a domain name rather than an IP |
| 22:30.32 | heavenquake__ | I mean, it works outside this network, but not inside it |
| 22:30.38 | heavenquake__ | I've done it before but forgot how |
| 22:30.44 | abrotman | heavenquake__: ask #networking or read your router manual |
| 22:30.54 | smacnay | wouldn't have been able to help heavenquake__ even if he had seen the question. |
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| 22:33.47 | smacnay | abrotman: I hope this works - the darn pcsp module loads on boot and seems to throw off my alsa config. |
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| 22:34.44 | smacnay | abrotman: running "asoundconf set-default-card "card name" REALLY blows the config out and I need to reset the .asoundrc file. |
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| 22:39.24 | Orbixx | I have a problem with the installed php packages I have on a server. |
| 22:39.34 | Orbixx | For the life of me, I cannot seem to locate the binary for php. |
| 22:39.43 | Orbixx | I'm either blind, or it does not exist. |
| 22:39.59 | Orbixx | I'm betting on the latter, as it does not launch from it's environmental variable. |
| 22:40.07 | Orbixx | Any tips? |
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| 22:40.47 | petemc | php-cli |
| 22:41.05 | robokop | apt-file show <package name> | grep bin |
| 22:41.36 | Orbixx | petemc: Non existant. |
| 22:41.39 | robokop | ls |
| 22:41.41 | petemc | install it |
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| 22:43.54 | Orbixx | petemc: Package php-cli is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 22:45.42 | un | anyone know of a _simple_ cmake compiled library (already debianized), I am trying to debianize this library that apparently has some kind of wierdness, and I want some things to apt-get source and look at... any ideas? |
| 22:46.12 | petemc | Orbixx: php5-cli |
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| 22:46.41 | Orbixx | Thank you. |
| 22:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Orbixx, /msg dpkg search (guess you want the apt-file bit) |
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| 22:46.51 | Orbixx | I got it thanks. |
| 22:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Orbixx, there will be a next time :)\ |
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| 22:47.08 | nachtfalter | Hi, I've just switched from Sarge to Lenny. Everything is working well. It's just one litte thing: |
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| 22:47.37 | nachtfalter | I'm working on a laptop with 1024x768 pixels. But it's only using 800x600 for X. |
| 22:48.01 | nachtfalter | Up to Sarge I used to call dpkg-reconfigure to chose another resolution. |
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| 22:48.42 | nachtfalter | But with the new X it relies on the basic, nesarly empty xorg.conf and only asks questions to other topics. |
| 22:48.49 | nachtfalter | Not for the resolution. |
| 22:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't you go via etch on your way from sarge to lenny? |
| 22:49.29 | nachtfalter | Of course I could try to get a more complety xorg.conf out of Google and modify it. |
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| 22:49.56 | nachtfalter | But I still hope that there be a Debian way to get the switch back. |
| 22:50.12 | nachtfalter | Anybody an Idea? |
| 22:50.18 | stew | nachtfalter: yes, the server now tries to determine an optimal resolution automatically at runtime instead of depending on a static config. you might be able to switch the resolution at runtime using xrandr, otherwise, you can fall back to statically configuring it in xorg.conf |
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| 22:51.25 | efaistos | anyone has an url with a good script to convert a mysql dump to postgresql one ? |
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| 22:51.54 | simonrvn | efaistos: try sqlfairy |
| 22:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sarge->etch |
| 22:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | zzz |
| 22:52.13 | jelly-home | !test |
| 22:52.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:52.35 | efaistos | wow all the modules needed :P |
| 22:52.37 | themill | from /topic in #debian-bots: short addressing broken for factoid names containing -> |
| 22:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nudges dpkg |
| 22:52.51 | nachtfalter | Ooops, yes of course. I moved from ETCH to Lenny. Thanks. |
| 22:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 22:52.55 | jelly-home | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 22:52.55 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 22:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, thanks |
| 22:53.16 | jelly-home | themill: huh. |
| 22:53.17 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: address char and -> is borked |
| 22:53.27 | simonrvn | damn lag... |
| 22:53.29 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: no worries. That should give you an idea of just how crufty the perl is in dpkg. |
| 22:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | perl is always crufty, that's what it's for... |
| 22:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | "write-only code" |
| 22:54.09 | themill | language of the gods! |
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| 22:54.53 | jamesrdorn | Does anyone know of a method to install debian unassisted? |
| 22:55.03 | Serraphyn | if I have an amd 64 bit processor is it better to d/l the amd64 package or stick with x86? |
| 22:55.13 | stew | jamesrdorn: /msg dpkg fai |
| 22:55.34 | jamesrdorn | ty |
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| 22:56.43 | Serraphyn | Can anyone see my text? |
| 22:56.48 | un | one more time, can someone here _please_ name a library that builds with cmake and has been debianized? |
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| 22:56.54 | jamon | yes Serraphyn |
| 22:57.01 | un | i am desperate for the knowledge.. |
| 22:57.16 | simonrvn | Serraphyn: no |
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| 22:57.36 | jamon | un: umm, kde uses cmake, that's a whole wack of libraries |
| 22:57.43 | Serraphyn | un: http://www.google.ca/search?q=cmake+library+debian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a |
| 22:58.13 | chomwitt | in lenny beta2 in amd phenom + 780G chipset , and i dont have sound. what can i do? |
| 22:58.15 | Serraphyn | simonrvn: was that no to my first query or no to my second? |
| 22:58.21 | un | jamon: thank you! i would never have thought about those... |
| 22:58.46 | stew | un: grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends cmake -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources |
| 22:59.02 | un | stew: thanks! just what I was lookin' for... |
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| 22:59.14 | un | i appreciate it... see ya |
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| 22:59.56 | nachtfalter | I upgraded from etch to lenny in the proposed way. And - yes - all worked. |
| 23:00.12 | Serraphyn | So which version for an AMD 64 bit processor is better, AMD64 or x86? I am just asking cause I don't want a bunch of comp probs with 64-bit |
| 23:00.22 | nachtfalter | And if I remember correctly, I got even asked for the resolution. But only once. |
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| 23:00.39 | jamon | Serraphyn: well you answered your own question already |
| 23:00.41 | themill | stew: I guess reverse build-depends is asking a bit much of judd, isn't it? |
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| 23:00.48 | simonrvn | Serraphyn: no one can see you tyalk |
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| 23:00.59 | jamon | you know what you think you want, so use that |
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| 23:01.12 | nachtfalter | In dpkg-reconfigure is no resolution checkbox anymore. |
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| 23:01.22 | Serraphyn | jamon: so is there compatibility issues with amd64 kernels still? |
| 23:01.41 | stew | themill: until i break out the relationships into sub-tables |
| 23:01.48 | Serraphyn | Jamon: or over all does it work fine? |
| 23:01.52 | jamon | Serraphyn: i haven't had any in years |
| 23:02.08 | themill | stew: the amount of data spewed back might be problematic too. |
| 23:02.24 | Serraphyn | jamon: so a 32-bit can run fine in 64 bit world, a boyfriend of mine told me it wouldn't |
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| 23:02.29 | stew | themill: the [more] functionality is automatic |
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| 23:02.48 | jamon | Serraphyn: yep, you could run 64 kernel and 32bit userland entirely if you wanted |
| 23:02.50 | stew | nachtfalter: correct, if the runtime auto-detection doesn't work for you, configure it statically or try X -configure |
| 23:02.51 | themill | stew: true. Some things are just not suited to IRC. |
| 23:03.22 | Serraphyn | wonder if XFCE is 64bit, I want as much in 64bit as possible... I figure might as well use all my CPU I can, and I'm so tired of windows vista |
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| 23:04.16 | jamon | Serraphyn: you'll be fine |
| 23:04.48 | Serraphyn | Jamon: THank you very much, just one last question if you don't mind, would you suggest netinst or full cd set downloads? |
| 23:04.57 | themill | netinst |
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| 23:05.16 | jamon | Serraphyn: netinst for sure, it'll prompt you for desktop environment |
| 23:05.44 | Serraphyn | good, I just don't want Gnome or KDE, to much crap in them, I want something nice and lean and fast |
| 23:05.45 | stew | Serraphyn: the few things that are not available in 64 bit are closed source stuff, and for much of that there are workarounds. stuff like xfce is certainly available for 64 bit |
| 23:06.06 | jamon | Serraphyn: fluxbox++ :) |
| 23:06.12 | FR33L4NC3 | is the correct command to shutdown Debian "shutdown -hP"? |
| 23:06.24 | FR33L4NC3 | to turn of the power |
| 23:06.42 | heavenquake__ | FR33L4NC3: I usually just type in 'halt' |
| 23:06.43 | jamon | man shutdown? |
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| 23:06.45 | Serraphyn | Jamon: is that better then XFCE? |
| 23:06.53 | mimcpher | Yes FR33L4NC3 but just "shutdown" should be sufficient. |
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| 23:07.00 | simonrvn | shutdown -h now |
| 23:07.16 | FR33L4NC3 | shutdown -h also powers down? |
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| 23:07.25 | jamon | Serraphyn: different, much more lightweight, go with gnome, see how it is, xfce uses gtk libraries that gnome use anyways |
| 23:07.27 | chiak | yes |
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| 23:08.19 | Serraphyn | I've had ubuntu installed before, didn't like how clunky and the memory usage of gnome was |
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| 23:08.51 | FR33L4NC3 | is I typ sudo halt, debian asks for a password, but my root password does not seem to help, what to do? |
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| 23:09.03 | Serraphyn | and I figure since Ubuntu is based off Debian I'd go to the "source" |
| 23:09.05 | meyou | current user password |
| 23:09.21 | meyou | FR33L4NC3: sudo prompts you for the password of your current user, su prompts for the root password |
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| 23:09.56 | FR33L4NC3 | lol... i did not now that, i've used to use sudo on ubuntu, and there it asks for root pw |
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| 23:10.18 | meyou | hmm don't think so :o |
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| 23:10.38 | meyou | sudo always wants the sudoer's password not roots. that's the point :) |
| 23:11.14 | heavenquake__ | sshfs is shiny :D |
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| 23:11.53 | FR33L4NC3 | I'm quiet sure sudo did ask for a su password in ubuntu, but not realy. I'll check it tomorow |
| 23:11.55 | FR33L4NC3 | :D |
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| 23:12.03 | stodan | i dont get it, what could be difference between servers, so that one sshd accepts public key and one not |
| 23:12.14 | stodan | sshd_config is almost the same |
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| 23:12.31 | superlinux | hello |
| 23:12.32 | stodan | Port and PermitRootLogin differs |
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| 23:12.41 | Serraphyn | jamon: thanks for the help, I'm burnign CD now to install, hope to see you all in the hour ;) |
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| 23:12.50 | jamon | enjoy |
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| 23:13.24 | petemc | stodan: you can run the daemon in debug mode and see what its doing |
| 23:13.37 | jamon | stodan: your key is on both? you're not logging in as root right? use ssh -v on your client |
| 23:13.56 | stodan | i know, i used -vvv |
| 23:14.01 | superlinux | i am looking for an application that works like IRC but using voice. what would that be? |
| 23:14.02 | jamon | ah |
| 23:14.04 | stodan | it does not respond to that key |
| 23:14.25 | abrotman | superlinux: voice conference software? |
| 23:14.32 | themill | superlinux: a telephone? |
| 23:14.38 | stodan | debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply |
| 23:14.38 | stodan | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
| 23:14.41 | meyou | ventrilo |
| 23:14.45 | meyou | skype |
| 23:14.51 | meyou | teamspeak |
| 23:14.52 | superlinux | voice conference, yes |
| 23:15.11 | themill | superlinux: ekiga, kphone etc with any SIP provider |
| 23:15.55 | superlinux | skype cannot do it automatically. i will have to add each one by hand |
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| 23:16.39 | nachtfalter | And if I remember correctly, I got even asked for the resolution. But only once. |
| 23:16.52 | superlinux | in IRC you login and u have all the users on IRC room automatically |
| 23:17.20 | nachtfalter | stew: I think it worked by just adding a "HorizSync" line in the xorg.conf. Thank you. |
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| 23:17.28 | OmiKrOn | hi |
| 23:17.31 | themill | superlinux: sounds like you're looking for a SIP conference room. Have a look at the ekiga website. |
| 23:18.04 | OmiKrOn | how do I see what package owns a specific file e.g. the rpm -qf /bin/bash in RedHat? |
| 23:18.13 | abrotman | OmiKrOn: dpkg -S, apt-file |
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| 23:18.34 | OmiKrOn | thanks mate |
| 23:19.16 | OmiKrOn | hrm |
| 23:19.16 | OmiKrOn | apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 23:19.16 | OmiKrOn | itools:/var/www# apt-get remove apache2.2-common |
| 23:19.18 | dustybin | if one creates a alias for a command with a few options, and one activates that command, can one still add further options on the command line to the alias? |
| 23:19.20 | OmiKrOn | Package apache2.2-common is not installed, so not removed |
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| 23:20.25 | abrotman | OmiKrOn: purge it with dpkg |
| 23:20.38 | OmiKrOn | need to read about that :) |
| 23:20.40 | themill | dustybin: of course. tias. |
| 23:20.43 | OmiKrOn | thanks |
| 23:20.58 | sini | I'm having trouble with QT applications not having any color except black and slightly less black under gnome. |
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| 23:21.19 | et | black is a nice color after all |
| 23:21.24 | simonrvn | /afk |
| 23:21.43 | sini | i agree and the apps could be usable if i really tried but I need to theme these somehow :P |
| 23:21.47 | stodan | jamon, just user account, keys are different, but i tried that one which works too |
| 23:22.31 | superlinux | themill , yes i want a conferencing room. but egika has a bad reception where i live |
| 23:22.31 | stodan | petemc, i missread what you said, i just only check debug on client side |
| 23:22.40 | stodan | i dont have root access to that server |
| 23:23.31 | abrotman | has a bad reception ? |
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| 23:24.49 | Serraphyn | Hi I'm on my laptop, had a question, I'm choosing the software to install and if I just put a * in desktop enviroment will it ask me which one or should i uncheck that and use apt-get instead? |
| 23:25.03 | themill | superlinux: try a different SIP provider with it then. Also try lower bandwidth codecs. |
| 23:25.13 | superlinux | ok bro |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | Serraphyn: if you used the netinst/cd1/dvd1, it will install gnome .. (and use aptitude) |
| 23:26.11 | superlinux | themill, what do u recommend me? |
| 23:26.18 | Serraphyn | damn, is it a pain to change from gnome to xfce cause I hit enter on accident and its already d/l |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | Serraphyn: nope not really, you can uninstall gnome and install xfce later |
| 23:26.45 | themill | superlinux: nfc. My experiments with my mum's slow adsl were failures. |
| 23:26.47 | Serraphyn | thank goodness |
| 23:27.01 | superlinux | ok bro |
| 23:27.03 | abrotman | but why would you ask us, and then not wait for the answer? |
| 23:27.04 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 23:27.51 | Serraphyn | I didn't mean to hit enter, I hit the one on Numpad while moving my mouse |
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| 23:28.12 | abrotman | silly jumping mouse |
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| 23:28.45 | sandman | is there any reason why wine might not appear in my aptitude window |
| 23:28.50 | Serraphyn | not the mouses fault its mine |
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| 23:29.09 | Serraphyn | 6 more minutes till install finishes d/l |
| 23:29.10 | Serraphyn | brb |
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| 23:31.24 | pingouin | how can i have all the packages that come with another package and the suggestion of apt, for a package that is already installed ? |
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| 23:33.14 | themill | dpkg: tell pingouin about aptitude-fu |
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| 23:34.37 | themill | pingouin: replace the first ~i with the package name. replace search with install to actually do it. |
| 23:35.20 | sini | I'm having proble with QT still. The backgrounds are not colored/textures they're simply black |
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| 23:37.16 | pingouin | themill: ok, but in this case, it is an already installed package, then apt-get install packages dont give me the suggered package's advices |
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| 23:37.22 | Serraphyn | back |
| 23:37.39 | pingouin | themill: anywaym thank you for your help |
| 23:37.47 | Serraphyn | btw how often will I have to reinstall linux? Like windows Ihad to instlal like every 2 months or so |
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| 23:38.04 | themill | pingouin: aptitude install '~RBrecommends:$PACKAGENAME!~i' works for me |
| 23:38.31 | pingouin | themill: ok, sorry i missed the point |
| 23:38.35 | pingouin | thanks |
| 23:38.47 | AussieGuy | hi, im trying to port forward for my custom server. im using apache for a test. locally, I can connect to port 8080 which ive forwarded to port 80. I cant connect remotely to port 8080 from another computer on the internet. The remote computer connects to port 80 fine though. |
| 23:39.12 | AussieGuy | my iptables script with all the rules are here http://pastebin.com/m436284f7 |
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| 23:39.29 | pingouin | Serraphyn: never |
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| 23:39.49 | Serraphyn | pingouin: You never have to re install linux after a while? |
| 23:39.58 | pingouin | Serraphyn: never |
| 23:40.12 | Serraphyn | umm doesn't it get corrupted |
| 23:40.24 | pingouin | Serraphyn: except if you crashed your hard drive |
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| 23:40.50 | pingouin | Serraphyn: forget windows - bad - habits |
| 23:41.10 | Serraphyn | this iwll save so much time |
| 23:41.46 | pingouin | Serraphyn: i reinstalled once, because i did not knew lvm before and needed to change partionning |
| 23:42.19 | pingouin | Serraphyn: think about lvm before installation |
| 23:42.28 | Serraphyn | whats lvm? |
| 23:42.47 | Serraphyn | Sorry I'll look it up |
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| 23:43.31 | strocknar | anyone mind helping me with some ldap issues (etch hosting ldap, dhcpd nat) clients are ubuntu 8.04 / 8.10 ldap is able to be found via ldapsearch -H but getent wont even return accounts in ldap via getent passwd |
| 23:43.43 | pingouin | Serraphyn: something that allow you to grow your /home or /var or whatever without re-partionning if you add a new hd for instance |
| 23:44.06 | Serraphyn | I'm reading about it on wikipedia |
| 23:44.25 | iLLf8d | whoami |
| 23:44.27 | iLLf8d | oops |
| 23:44.34 | iLLf8d | mt =P |
| 23:44.35 | pingouin | :) |
| 23:44.42 | Serraphyn | so I can't just add a new hard drive later and assign it a drive letter? |
| 23:45.05 | pingouin | it's not a drive letter really |
| 23:45.33 | pingouin | you add new space in your choosen mounting point |
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| 23:46.04 | pingouin | very very convenient |
| 23:46.23 | pingouin | blessed are those whom think about it and dev it |
| 23:46.29 | pingouin | :) |
| 23:47.03 | Serraphyn | ooh its rebooting into new system :) |
| 23:47.18 | pipeline | Serraphyn: you could, but why would you want to? lvm is the way to go, even if you never plan to use it. |
| 23:47.34 | hikenboot | during an install dpkg isnt available what do I use the disk presented an error that said running dpkg -a -configure was the solution? |
| 23:47.38 | Serraphyn | I didn't know and I already started setup |
| 23:47.44 | Serraphyn | well Its done know I mean |
| 23:48.11 | pingouin | i did the same :) |
| 23:48.35 | Serraphyn | so do I install XFCE4 first or uninstall gnome first? |
| 23:48.48 | Serraphyn | or can I just install XFCE4 and see if I like it more then gnome? |
| 23:48.49 | pipeline | Serraphyn: you don't have to remove gnome to install xfce4 |
| 23:48.53 | pipeline | Serraphyn: it doesn't matter what order you do it |
| 23:49.23 | pipeline | Serraphyn: while you're at it, you may as well also try kde; kde and gnome are the dominant desktop suites. |
| 23:49.44 | pingouin | Serraphyn: once xfce installed, you should have at gdm prompt - gnome - the choise of session you want to use |
| 23:49.50 | Serraphyn | I heard they are clunky and slow compared to xfce4 I wanted to do linux cause I'm tired of slow desktops |
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| 23:50.20 | pingouin | Serraphyn: use ion3 or awesome ;) |
| 23:50.21 | hikenboot | udpkg seems to be on the system but it has no man page |
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| 23:50.30 | pipeline | Serraphyn: haha yeah that's not true |
| 23:50.34 | pipeline | Serraphyn: xfce is also chunky and slow :) |
| 23:50.40 | pipeline | Serraphyn: chunky and slow is the nature of the beast :) |
| 23:50.52 | Serraphyn | I said clunky :p |
| 23:51.05 | hikenboot | hell no xfce is the best in my opinion |
| 23:51.07 | torrrr | is there such a thing to authenticate to the email out gateway (smarthhost) ? |
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| 23:51.27 | netdaemon | DE war! |
| 23:51.36 | pingouin | :) |
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| 23:51.56 | netdaemon | eggs it on |
| 23:52.02 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me the lenny sources line for the adobe flash player? |
| 23:52.18 | netdaemon | iLLf8d: add non-free to your sources.list |
| 23:52.28 | themill | netdaemon: that's not enough |
| 23:52.34 | themill | dpkg: tell iLLf8d about adobe flash |
| 23:52.37 | netdaemon | iLLf8d: works for me |
| 23:52.48 | themill | judd versions flashplayer-nonfree |
| 23:52.49 | judd | themill: flashplayer-nonfree: |
| 23:52.54 | Serraphyn | ah nutes my time is wrong |
| 23:52.54 | netdaemon | ah |
| 23:53.11 | themill | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:53.11 | judd | themill: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 23:53.20 | themill | netdaemon: ^^ it's not in lenny. |
| 23:53.21 | iLLf8d | yeah I'm trying to figure out the format of non-free sources line and the contrib one laso |
| 23:53.25 | iLLf8d | also even |
| 23:53.31 | netdaemon | ahhh |
| 23:53.38 | netdaemon | that would do it |
| 23:54.21 | themill | judd: versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 23:54.21 | judd | themill: flashplayer-mozilla: 9.0.124.0-0.0 (lenny-multimedia) 1:9.0.124.0-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 23:54.33 | themill | ^^ perhaps an easier approach. |
| 23:54.52 | netdaemon | ahhhh |
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| 23:55.00 | netdaemon | so thats how i go abouts getting flash 10 |
| 23:55.05 | netdaemon | debian-multimedia...ty |
| 23:55.07 | netdaemon | lol |
| 23:55.14 | themill | don't ask why the lenny package is missing an epoch. odd. |
| 23:55.28 | Serraphyn | umm I used the time admin and my computer monitor stopped responding |
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| 23:59.29 | Akuw | i have a directory with 300.000 files |
| 23:59.43 | Akuw | 27gb |
| 23:59.54 | Akuw | i need to copy all in various dvds |
