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| 00:04.37 | Serraphyn | now I gotta lookup mounting an NTFS drive in linux |
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| 00:06.07 | pingouin | Serraphyn: /etc/fstab |
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| 00:07.06 | Serraphyn | pingouin: was just reading about that in man mount |
| 00:07.47 | pingouin | Serraphyn: not difficult, once you get the syntax |
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| 00:08.05 | pingouin | Serraphyn: but i dont know if ntfs is writable now |
| 00:08.14 | pingouin | i guess it is |
| 00:08.25 | Serraphyn | I did: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/NTFS_Drive so ic an at least copy stuff over |
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| 00:09.08 | Serraphyn | I would like to move the data over and convert the storage partition to Ext3 |
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| 00:11.39 | a[u]stin | anyone want to help me fragment my disk space? |
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| 00:13.17 | erawfish | fragment it? |
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| 00:13.33 | pipeline | a[u]stin: there are no defrag tools. Your best bet is to do a complete dump and restore. |
| 00:13.51 | erawfish | pipeline: there are, for most filesystems |
| 00:13.53 | Serraphyn | strange my sound isn't working |
| 00:13.59 | a[u]stin | i said fragment |
| 00:14.07 | a[u]stin | but someone else confirmed my idea, so i got it |
| 00:14.09 | erawfish | explain what you mean by fragment |
| 00:14.11 | Serraphyn | Since I'm so new do you think I shoul djust go back to ubuntu? |
| 00:14.33 | Serraphyn | I know its carebear and all but *shrugs* |
| 00:14.36 | erawfish | Serraphyn: what you want to do isn't easier on ubuntu |
| 00:15.06 | Serraphyn | okay, guess I gotta figure out how to configure video card and soundcard then |
| 00:15.20 | erawfish | Serraphyn: what videocard exactly? and what debian version? |
| 00:15.22 | a[u]stin | erawfish: as in spread my files out over a whole bunch of different, nodes, if that is the right term |
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| 00:15.40 | erawfish | AussieGuy: it's not |
| 00:15.42 | Serraphyn | I have 4.0r5 debian and video card is nvidia 8800 GTX |
| 00:15.45 | erawfish | and you are still not really clearer |
| 00:15.55 | erawfish | every file has a different inode. can't work otherwise |
| 00:16.05 | a[u]stin | erawfish: yes, i did not say inode |
| 00:16.24 | a[u]stin | i just don't know what to call them |
| 00:16.25 | pipeline | a[u]stin: fragment? write a large number of files of varying size |
| 00:16.26 | a[u]stin | blocks maybe? |
| 00:16.28 | erawfish | if you talk about nodes and filenodes, that's what you mean, no matter what you think you say |
| 00:16.44 | a[u]stin | erawfish: node is a very general term |
| 00:16.45 | erawfish | *filesystem |
| 00:17.05 | erawfish | !wayttd a[u]stin |
| 00:17.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, a[u]stin? |
| 00:17.15 | a[u]stin | i said i have it under control |
| 00:17.26 | erawfish | Serraphyn: there is no 4.0r5 |
| 00:17.31 | a[u]stin | im trying to purposely induce disk fragmentation |
| 00:17.46 | a[u]stin | which i will do by creating a whole bunch of randomly size small files |
| 00:17.47 | Serraphyn | umm... thats what the website said when I d/l it |
| 00:17.49 | a[u]stin | delete some of them |
| 00:17.53 | a[u]stin | and creating larger ones |
| 00:17.57 | erawfish | that doesn't cause fragmentation AussieGuy |
| 00:18.01 | erawfish | a[u]stin: |
| 00:18.08 | Saar | intsalling windows will |
| 00:18.09 | erawfish | use sparse files |
| 00:18.13 | Saar | installing |
| 00:18.19 | a[u]stin | no |
| 00:18.23 | a[u]stin | if i packed my disk |
| 00:18.25 | AussieGuy | well of course not, its an iptable script :) |
| 00:18.28 | Serraphyn | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r5 was released October 23rd, 2008 |
| 00:18.30 | a[u]stin | with a whole bunch of small files |
| 00:18.33 | a[u]stin | and deleted them |
| 00:18.46 | erawfish | damn they did it agains the. I stand correctoed Serraphyn |
| 00:18.51 | a[u]stin | from random locations, and then created a bigger file it would for sure be fragmented |
| 00:18.52 | erawfish | Serraphyn: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:21.43 | Serraphyn | ah I have to setup nonfree in sourcelist |
| 00:22.22 | erawfish | and contrib |
| 00:22.33 | Akuw | i have a directory with 300.000 files |
| 00:22.39 | Akuw | 27gb |
| 00:22.42 | Akuw | i need to copy all in various dvds |
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| 00:29.17 | Serraphyn | hmm now to figure out my sound |
| 00:29.48 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 00:29.48 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 00:31.04 | Serraphyn | dvs: alsaconf didn't find a driver |
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| 00:31.15 | Serraphyn | I have an NForce sound card I think |
| 00:31.32 | dvs | Serraphyn: lscpi | grep -i sound |
| 00:31.50 | Serraphyn | nothing comes back |
| 00:31.53 | dvs | Serraphyn: lspci | grep -i sound |
| 00:32.15 | Serraphyn | I didn't make the type-o :) |
| 00:32.34 | dvs | Serraphyn: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 00:32.36 | dvs | my mistake |
| 00:32.42 | Serraphyn | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 00:32.57 | dvs | Serraphyn: I have no clue what driver that uses. |
| 00:33.01 | jester45 | what is the best way to add a 2nd ipaddress to a server |
| 00:33.13 | dvs | Serraphyn: uname -r |
| 00:33.29 | Serraphyn | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 00:33.41 | dvs | Serraphyn: Try getting 2.6.24 |
| 00:34.05 | dvs | !info linux-image-2.6.24-amd64 stable |
| 00:34.06 | petemc | jester45: you can set up an aliased intrrface like eth0:1, using the normal syntax, or use ip addr add to add another address to eth0 |
| 00:34.14 | Serraphyn | so the version I d/l from Oct 23rd isn't he most updated? |
| 00:34.38 | dvs | Serraphyn: it is up to date for 2.4.18 with all the security patches |
| 00:34.43 | jester45 | petemc, is 1 better than the other? |
| 00:34.54 | petemc | not really |
| 00:35.57 | Serraphyn | is there a way to convert an NTFS to ext3 without loosing the data? |
| 00:36.11 | blizzow | two drives and a cp command. |
| 00:36.22 | koollman | Serraphyn: not without a copy |
| 00:36.26 | Serraphyn | figures :p gotta reboot now... brb |
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| 00:38.04 | JordiGH | Why is gcc 4.1 not in Debian? Too buggy? |
| 00:38.31 | JordiGH | Oh, it is in Debian... |
| 00:38.32 | JordiGH | never mind. |
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| 00:38.38 | dvs | JordiGH: too old |
| 00:38.39 | kernelkat | no |
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| 00:40.19 | Serraphyn | Wow that was stupid I clossed wrong window twice |
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| 00:41.32 | Serraphyn | Sweet I got sound |
| 00:41.55 | sini | I've asked this a couple times but I'm still at a loss. All of my QT apps are black and white color schemed. I can change the widget/checkbox style w/ qtconfig, but I have no clue how to make the colors more normal. |
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| 00:43.10 | MrJK | hello |
| 00:43.34 | MrJK | I would like to be able to connect to my serveur from the outside |
| 00:43.46 | MrJK | I can't. Somebody can help me? |
| 00:43.52 | MrJK | I've dd wrt |
| 00:44.41 | pingouin | dd wrt ? |
| 00:45.00 | jamon | MrJK: if there's a #ddwrt channel on freenode, that's where you want to go |
| 00:45.13 | sini | MrJK: ask on the dd-wrt projects irc, but you can just set it as the dmz or add forwards per port |
| 00:45.31 | MrJK | ok, thanks :) |
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| 00:47.33 | Serraphyn | Whats a good MP3 Player, don't like Totem, it has that stupid video effect always running |
| 00:47.57 | blizzow | vlc |
| 00:48.00 | sini | Serraphyn: lots of 'em, might consider giving amarok a try |
| 00:48.09 | sini | or audacity |
| 00:48.27 | blizzow | nothing beats xmms in my opinion and I'm pissed that it was removed from Debian. |
| 00:48.44 | jamon | mpg123 |
| 00:48.57 | themill | blizzow: then volunteer to maintain it. |
| 00:49.10 | jamon | blizzow: xmms2 ;) |
| 00:49.20 | Serraphyn | I would love to learn to do all this programming you guys do, I'm just happy I can do php :) |
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| 00:50.30 | superjoe30 | is there an apt-get command to install an older version of a package? |
| 00:50.47 | larson999 | i'm liking this debian goodness. |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | superjoe30: not really |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | superjoe30: you can setup a way to do it if you realyl really want to |
| 00:51.24 | superjoe30 | darn, I cleared my cache not to long ago, and now my virtualbox and virtualbox-modules are out of sync |
| 00:51.56 | superjoe30 | I don't understand why virtualbox doesn't have a dependency on the modules package |
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| 00:54.21 | themill | superjoe30: /msg dpkg virtualbox lenny |
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| 00:56.06 | AussieGuy | Im trying to port forward port 8080 to port 80 for my custom server (my custom server is buggy so im using apache for the test). This works fine on loopback interface, but wont work from another computer on the internet remotely. My iptables commands are here http://pastebin.com/m77182ca |
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| 00:57.20 | Serraphyn | does amarok or any of the others suggested have a minmal interface so its not to distracting |
| 00:57.21 | Serraphyn | ? |
| 00:57.39 | superjoe30 | Serraphyn, amarok will minimize to the tray |
| 00:57.46 | Serraphyn | nice |
| 00:58.04 | superjoe30 | with global shortcuts for pause/play/skip, show/hide window, etc |
| 00:58.13 | Serraphyn | sweet |
| 00:58.25 | dsmelk | Serraphyn: the rule are not correctly |
| 00:58.36 | Serraphyn | ? |
| 00:58.46 | dsmelk | Serraphyn: you need to use PREROUTING |
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| 00:59.04 | Serraphyn | prerouting for a sound app? |
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| 00:59.29 | H2S04 | ls |
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| 01:00.05 | dsmelk | Serraphyn: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
| 01:00.17 | Serraphyn | why are you saying that to me? |
| 01:00.27 | jamon | dsmelk: that's for AussieGuy |
| 01:00.33 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: the rule are not correctly |
| 01:00.35 | jamon | Serraphyn: don't mind dsmelk :) |
| 01:00.45 | Akuw | i have a directory with 300.000 files |
| 01:00.49 | Akuw | 27gb |
| 01:00.50 | Serraphyn | I was getting cornfused there |
| 01:00.53 | Akuw | i need to copy all in various dvds |
| 01:00.56 | dsmelk | Serraphyn: sorry the message was to AussieGuy |
| 01:00.58 | superjoe30 | thanks themill |
| 01:01.21 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
| 01:01.30 | dsmelk | Serraphyn: sorry my brother |
| 01:01.40 | jamon | Serraphyn: amarok, settings -> show player window |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | Akuw: that's not a question |
| 01:02.42 | AussieGuy | ill try that, hang on a sec |
| 01:03.24 | phorce1 | Akuw: your best best is going to be to find a way to split that out into directories with fewer numbers of files. Most directory listing options get to be a pain in the rear past 5.000 files or so. |
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| 01:03.48 | Serraphyn | How do I know if my nvidia gfx card is setup right? is there a test or "My Computer" Section to see |
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| 01:04.50 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: try what |
| 01:04.59 | netdaemon | Serraphyn: often the nvidia logo will pop up when GDM/KDM or X is started |
| 01:05.00 | Akuw | how can copy that? |
| 01:05.33 | Serraphyn | hmm didn't see it, maybe I did something wrong... |
| 01:05.52 | netdaemon | Serraphyn: may have to add Driver "nvidia" to the device secion in xorg.conf |
| 01:06.04 | Akuw | abrotman: have you any idea? |
| 01:06.05 | AussieGuy | the rule you posted |
| 01:06.07 | Serraphyn | o.O |
| 01:06.07 | netdaemon | i know debian uses that bulletproof X thingy that doesn't even specify a driver there |
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| 01:06.16 | Serraphyn | netdaemon, speak very slow and small words for me |
| 01:06.20 | jamon | Serraphyn: try "glxinfo |grep direct" if you see yes, you're all set |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | Akuw: there are scripts to do that on the internet |
| 01:06.40 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: what the input interface |
| 01:06.45 | path_ | dpkg, dbugs |
| 01:06.47 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | path_: leave the bot alone .. |
| 01:07.09 | path_ | :( |
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| 01:07.25 | AussieGuy | yep and the prerouting |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | watching you dork with it is getting kind of boring |
| 01:07.26 | Serraphyn | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | mesa-utils |
| 01:07.46 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: you need to flush all rules to aply the new rule with no conflicts |
| 01:08.09 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: iptables -F |
| 01:08.48 | AussieGuy | yup, thats at the top of my script, ive commented out my line also |
| 01:08.50 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: after that iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
| 01:09.18 | Serraphyn | jamon, don't seem to have that command |
| 01:09.29 | erawfish | netdaemon: X doesn't autoconfigure in etch |
| 01:09.38 | erawfish | Serraphyn: get nvidia-settings. |
| 01:09.52 | erawfish | !tell Serraphyn about installit |
| 01:09.53 | jamon | Serraphyn: abrotman pointed out, you need mesa-utils |
| 01:10.07 | erawfish | judd: versions nvidia-settings |
| 01:10.08 | judd | erawfish: nvidia-settings: 1.0+20060516-3 (etch/contrib) 173.14.09-1 (lenny/contrib) 173.14.09-1 (sid/contrib) |
| 01:10.21 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: you need to test only this rule |
| 01:10.45 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: please, flush manually and apply that new rule manually |
| 01:10.47 | AussieGuy | with that rule the remote computer cant connect to port 80 or 8080 |
| 01:10.48 | Serraphyn | hmm |
| 01:10.53 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: and tes after that |
| 01:10.54 | Serraphyn | direct rendring: No |
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| 01:11.06 | AussieGuy | ah k, ill flush everything and try the rule standalone |
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| 01:11.34 | Serraphyn | guess I go back to figuring out what I did wrong... |
| 01:11.38 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: what kind of service run on 80 port? |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | Akuw: first hit on google http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=90431 .. and no i have not tested it .. use at your own risk |
| 01:12.10 | jamon | Serraphyn: if you installed the binary kernel blog, you do have to restart k/g/x/dm |
| 01:12.13 | AussieGuy | still doesnt work.....well it will be port 50000 rather than port 80, but its a messaging type service |
| 01:12.54 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: I use that rule and function normally |
| 01:13.18 | Serraphyn | I reboot PC after In was told to install the 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 01:14.48 | Serraphyn | should I install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64? |
| 01:14.49 | imduffy15 | Hey, can anybody help me with sendmail i keep getting "DSN: Service unavailable" in my mail.log file |
| 01:14.52 | Tim-S | how can I get openGL headers? |
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| 01:15.07 | AussieGuy | doesnt work |
| 01:15.20 | erawfish | Serraphyn: if you run amd64 yes, if you run i386 no |
| 01:15.35 | erawfish | Serraphyn: who told you to install that kernel? |
| 01:15.39 | dsmelk | AussieGuy: please, iptables -t nat -L -n, em show me on PVT |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | Tim-S: apt-cache -- search libgl -dev .. should be in there |
| 01:15.58 | Serraphyn | someone that was helping me with audio problems |
| 01:16.23 | erawfish | !tell Serraphyn about nvidia_post_etch |
| 01:16.39 | Serraphyn | So many people tell me what to type I get confused a bit.. then I got my bf asking me stuff at times |
| 01:16.40 | AussieGuy | http://pastebin.com/m4a564301 |
| 01:16.47 | Akuw | thanks |
| 01:16.51 | Akuw | i have to test it |
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| 01:17.25 | erawfish | Serraphyn: since you got 2.6.24 now, you now have to compile the kernel sources to a driver by your own |
| 01:18.04 | Tim-S | abrotman: yeah, that returns quitea few packages. Here is the relevent lines in the config script that are causing me problems. http://pastebin.com/m76c34af any ideas which ones i need |
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| 01:18.34 | Serraphyn | starts to eye her windows DVD |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | Tim-S: probably the one that says "OpenGL development headers" ? |
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| 01:18.54 | Serraphyn | I think I made a mistake trying linux... I'm just not smart enough for it I guess. |
| 01:19.16 | paul_5666 | does anyone know how to make debian send an email alert every time root logs in? |
| 01:19.27 | JordiGH | Serraphyn: Erm. What are you trying to do that you aren't smart enough for? |
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| 01:20.01 | Serraphyn | just get my computer setup with debian and running right |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | paul_5666: logs in how ? |
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| 01:20.23 | paul_5666 | abrotman: ssh |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | paul_5666: the not-so-great way ... put something in the /root/.bash_profile ? |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | which can obviously be worked around |
| 01:20.54 | JordiGH | Serraphyn: I hate to say this, but Debian may be a bit too much for a total newbie. I had someone sit next to me and help me through my first Debian install, many moons ago. Ubuntu is reputedly a bit more friendly for newbies. Have you tried it? |
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| 01:21.09 | abrotman | debian is fine for newbies |
| 01:21.21 | erawfish | Serraphyn: blackmailing us with "starts to eye her windows DVD" won't help you here. it only makes us angry. have a nice day and help yourself |
| 01:21.22 | Serraphyn | I had ubuntu months ago but I wanted something cleaner |
| 01:21.35 | Tim-S | abrotman: thanks :-) |
| 01:21.54 | JordiGH | Serraphyn: So you're not a total n00b. What's the problem you're having with Debian? Or should I grep up the chat buffer? |
| 01:21.54 | Serraphyn | I wasn't blackmailing, was just saying I think I'm not smart enough for this... god nevermind |
| 01:22.02 | paul_5666 | abrotman: i only have a .bashrc file no .bash_profile file |
| 01:22.28 | Tim-S | unrelated question. I was trying to install Nvidia drivers and the error message said that the CC environment variable (gcc 4.3) did not match what the kernel was built with (gcc 4.1). I'm running Lenny, did i mess up something during hte upgrade? |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | paul_5666: /etc/profile has a bit for root .. use that ? |
| 01:22.43 | paul_5666 | abrotman: ok ill have a look |
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| 01:23.42 | paul_5666 | abrotman: what do i do in here? |
| 01:23.50 | erawfish | Tim-S: we do not support the nvidia.run package here |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | echo "root logged in" | mail you@yourhost.com ? |
| 01:24.39 | Tim-S | erawfish: I'm not asking for help with the nvidia package. I'm mostly wondering if the missmatch in the environment variable and the kernel is a problem |
| 01:26.05 | paul_5666 | abrotman: ok ill try that |
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| 01:26.51 | mimcpher | Tim-S, how are you trying to install? |
| 01:27.11 | mimcpher | Tim-S, it just means you have a different version of gcc installed than what your kernel was built with, which could potentially cause issues with building modules. |
| 01:27.35 | Tim-S | mimcpher: is the difference in version intentional or is it a problem with my system? |
| 01:27.48 | mimcpher | The difference is probably fine |
| 01:28.24 | paul_5666 | abrotman: nope didnt work |
| 01:28.29 | jamon | mimcpher, Tim-S "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.x" (where x is the version it asks for) |
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| 01:29.15 | sandman | Is wine still in stable? |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:29.29 | sandman | I have ftp.us.debian.org set as my repo, and aptitude install wine fais. |
| 01:29.31 | sandman | fails, rather. |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | paul_5666: does it give an error ? |
| 01:30.24 | paul_5666 | abrotman: when u login? no error |
| 01:30.27 | paul_5666 | *i |
| 01:30.52 | Tim-S | I'm bulting the fltk library from source, and it configures correctly and installs without a problem. However, the configure script of a different program I am installing does not detect it. How can i make sure the library is correctly installed? It appears to be putting things in /usr/local/lib, which I would think would be fine... |
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| 01:42.19 | lufthanza | heya |
| 01:42.37 | lufthanza | anyone wanna help me with a sendmail-ish question? |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:43.34 | lufthanza | I'm trying to make a script that emails my current ip to an email address every 15 minutes (if it's changed). |
| 01:43.57 | lufthanza | i need a way to mail out the info |
| 01:44.01 | lufthanza | any ideas? |
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| 01:46.32 | petemc | echo `ip addr show dev eth0` | mail -s ip user@host |
| 01:47.23 | lufthanza | petemc: does mail have options for authentication? |
| 01:47.31 | petemc | no |
| 01:47.42 | petemc | it dosnt know smtp at all |
| 01:47.51 | lufthanza | :( |
| 01:48.03 | petemc | your local mta can th |
| 01:48.05 | petemc | o |
| 01:48.11 | lufthanza | mta? |
| 01:49.43 | lufthanza | oh, mail transfer agent |
| 01:49.57 | petemc | transport |
| 01:50.03 | lufthanza | i need help setting up a mta |
| 01:50.40 | petemc | oh, you're right, its transfer |
| 01:50.41 | lufthanza | postfix, sendmail, whichever is easiest to set up to send mail to an external smtp server |
| 01:51.54 | petemc | exim and postfix can both be configured via debconf, so you dont have to bother learning how they work |
| 01:51.55 | AussieGuy | got it working now |
| 01:51.59 | petemc | probably sendmail too |
| 01:52.08 | lufthanza | petemc: lovely |
| 01:52.23 | lufthanza | petemc: which would you suggest? exim? |
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| 01:53.33 | petemc | i use exim, for your needs, either exim or postfix would be fine |
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| 01:53.33 | lufthanza | petemc: thanks for the help |
| 01:53.33 | sandman | Oh, I see now. AMD64 Etch doesn't contain wine |
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| 01:53.59 | sandman | The wine source package is still there, of course. Just not the wine binary. |
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| 01:55.42 | batcoder-7 | how can i tell what video drivers i have loaded ? |
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| 02:02.35 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say |
| 02:03.00 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: someone is telling me now that xorg.conf is no longer needed |
| 02:03.32 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: That's mostly true. You can still use it to tweak things, but xorg is pretty smart about detecting settings now. |
| 02:03.56 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: i was getitng very laggy drawing |
| 02:04.13 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: Which video card? |
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| 02:04.17 | batcoder-7 | i did a reconfigure and yea now it works but i still want to make sure i am getting the exact smooth picture i should be getting |
| 02:04.24 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: i810 > intel |
| 02:04.35 | JordiGH | Wait, you're using the intel or the i810 driver? |
| 02:04.44 | JordiGH | Are you on etch? |
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| 02:05.06 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: ii thought the i810 *was* the intel driver |
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| 02:05.24 | JordiGH | No, the intel driver is newer. i810 is an older version. |
| 02:05.39 | JordiGH | (The driver is called "intel".) |
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| 02:08.14 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: its just called intel ? |
| 02:08.16 | batcoder-7 | i am on lenny btw |
| 02:08.23 | JordiGH | yeah, just called "intel". |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | yes, the driver is intel |
| 02:12.12 | batcoder-7 | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 02:12.14 | batcoder-7 | that? |
| 02:12.23 | batcoder-7 | JordiGH: ^ |
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| 02:13.19 | batcoder-7 | xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version. |
| 02:13.19 | batcoder-7 | xserver-xorg-video-intel set to manually installed. |
| 02:13.20 | batcoder-7 | man o man |
| 02:13.30 | batcoder-7 | how can i check to see if its using the driver ? |
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| 02:14.17 | JordiGH | batcoder-7: It should be. Check the log. I am leaving. Good luck. |
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| 02:14.39 | batcoder-7 | abrotman: any help here as well ? :P |
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| 02:15.02 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | laggy drawing of what? |
| 02:15.34 | batcoder-7 | i just want to make sure my system is using the driver and i am getting the display i am suppose to get |
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| 02:16.08 | batcoder-7 | abrotman: well it was supper laggy when scrolling in a browser but then i jsut did a dpkg reconfigure of xorg and it asked ma kernel frame buffer question i selected yes now it runs ok |
| 02:16.25 | batcoder-7 | i am just curious if it could be better abrotman if its not using the driver correctly or anything else |
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| 02:18.22 | JyZyXEL | dpkg -l | wc -l tiem |
| 02:18.22 | dpkg | ii | wc -l tiem 2.8-13 jyzyxel's private porn collection |
| 02:18.38 | JyZyXEL | oh u |
| 02:18.41 | JyZyXEL | 2197 |
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| 02:27.03 | batcoder-7 | anyone ? |
| 02:27.18 | batcoder-7 | how can i see what driver my video card is using nad yea make sure i am getting the best picture |
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| 02:29.24 | rhodescus | read your xorg log file |
| 02:29.29 | rhodescus | batcoder-7 |
| 02:30.14 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: where is that ? |
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| 02:30.31 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:30.43 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: look for a line that says 'Device' |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | we've already been over this once |
| 02:31.30 | rhodescus | what the log file? |
| 02:31.34 | rhodescus | I just logged in |
| 02:33.45 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: if the Device line looks similar to a 'PCI' line later in the file, you're using a driver more specific to your card |
| 02:34.18 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: its loading intel and stuff so yeai guess it is loading the driver |
| 02:34.35 | rhodescus | batcoder-7 awesome! |
| 02:35.04 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: i was getitng very laggy drawing or something for some reason it is fixed now |
| 02:35.23 | batcoder-7 | just curious if i am still getting the most optimium drawing / rendering expience |
| 02:35.53 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: maybe your daily cron was running. I don't know if debian still has the xgalaga package |
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| 02:36.14 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: but that will run fairly quickly if you have your video card set up right. |
| 02:36.17 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: i ran a dpkg reconfigure xorg and it fixed it so i doubt that was it |
| 02:36.22 | batcoder-7 | i am running kde4 |
| 02:36.30 | batcoder-7 | and i am suing GLX |
| 02:36.41 | batcoder-7 | not sure if this is good or bad or what not |
| 02:36.52 | rhodescus | I'm using the default and I have no issues. |
| 02:37.01 | batcoder-7 | also my konq is not detecting my flash plugin |
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| 02:37.12 | rhodescus | I don't use flash |
| 02:37.28 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: the scrolling was the slowest i have seen, laggy |
| 02:37.36 | batcoder-7 | but then i did the reconfigure and it seemed to fix it |
| 02:37.41 | batcoder-7 | dont know why though |
| 02:38.05 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: maybe it did an update in the meantime, and found a more specific driver. |
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| 02:38.49 | batcoder-7 | i dont think so maybe it was just one of those things who knows |
| 02:38.57 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: how smooth is your konq scrolling ? |
| 02:39.02 | batcoder-7 | mayeb i am being too picky |
| 02:39.10 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: I am using iceweasel |
| 02:39.46 | batcoder-7 | rhodescus: you use kde ? |
| 02:40.23 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: No, I am using gnome |
| 02:40.37 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 02:40.41 | rhodescus | batcoder-7 feeble seemed a little out there for etch. |
| 02:40.52 | rhodescus | batcoder-7 so I went with the default. |
| 02:41.20 | rhodescus | batcoder-7: I still hearken to fvwm2 though. |
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| 02:45.07 | sini | I'm having problems with qt4. I'm running gnome, and all my qt4 apps look like this: http://intrepid.forall.me/blah.jpg |
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| 02:49.09 | go_beep_yourself | my friend just installed openssh-server i can ping, nmap shows 22 open, i get a login prompt with his username asking for the password. i put in the password correct everytime and get permission denied. he even tried changing the password and we tried that. any ideas? please help. |
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| 02:49.22 | dcestari | hello |
| 02:49.24 | rhodescus | sini: it looks like a color depth issue |
| 02:49.37 | rhodescus | sini: you should ask on the qt support forums |
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| 02:51.14 | abrotman | go_beep_yourself: tried other users? |
| 02:53.02 | Sling | sure, blame the user! |
| 02:53.02 | dcestari | I'm trying to set up a local dns server for some intranets sub-domains |
| 02:53.02 | dcestari | but when I use it then I can't resolv the internet domains of my company |
| 02:53.02 | dcestari | mail.example.com on external, testsite.example.com on local, when I use local then I can't resolv mail.example.com |
| 02:53.04 | Sling | :> |
| 02:54.40 | adb | 95% of bugs are user made |
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| 02:56.58 | dcestari | anyone? |
| 02:57.21 | Gm4n | dcestari: can't resolve in what sense? |
| 02:57.32 | Gm4n | using the local dns server? |
| 02:57.38 | dcestari | mail.example.com: unknown host |
| 02:57.44 | dcestari | if I ping it. |
| 02:57.49 | dcestari | yes, using the local |
| 02:57.59 | Gm4n | what does /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 02:58.09 | dcestari | nameserver local-ip |
| 02:58.14 | dcestari | nameserver remote-ip |
| 02:58.18 | dcestari | both, in that order |
| 02:58.32 | Gm4n | nslookup mail.example.com gives? |
| 03:00.23 | dcestari | unknown |
| 03:00.35 | dcestari | server can't find ... |
| 03:00.46 | dcestari | but uses local-ip |
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| 03:02.06 | dcestari | any idea? |
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| 03:03.03 | Gm4n | sounds like you don't have your local DNS server set up to give an answer ;) |
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| 03:05.15 | dcestari | Gm4n: nope, I only have some domains on local, but I'd like to delegate thoes that aren't found to the external nameserver |
| 03:05.35 | Gm4n | aha, so it's not forwarding queries |
| 03:05.51 | Gm4n | I didn't quite get that |
| 03:05.54 | Gm4n | what server? |
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| 03:07.18 | Rideh | Can anyone recommend a tool, method or resource for me? I am trying to make a disc image of a debian system (common hardware) that i can then deploy via pxe / netboot to load a number of machines. I do not want a scripted install, net install etc, I want a disc image. ideas? |
| 03:07.41 | Gm4n | Rideh: I know very little about this, but maybe dd? |
| 03:08.12 | Rideh | dd? |
| 03:08.23 | Gm4n | `man dd` |
| 03:08.34 | Rideh | ty |
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| 03:15.29 | oiahdsf | what's that old text adventure that used to be installed in /usr/games by default where you're a clone that has to help out the santa underground |
| 03:15.36 | oiahdsf | i forget what it's called |
| 03:15.41 | oiahdsf | ah, paranoia? |
| 03:16.36 | oiahdsf | yes! |
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| 03:48.01 | JyZyXEL | haha woot my mplayer won't play fullHD =D |
| 03:48.04 | JyZyXEL | its too heavy |
| 03:48.09 | JyZyXEL | "too many video packets" |
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| 03:53.00 | IamSOG | I have been trying to View this web page, but my friends tells me there's no way to View OCX under linux... but I wonder http://219.73.41.206:6081 <--- U guys know how to View this ? |
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| 03:55.51 | Stratman4300 | does anyone know of any repositories that hold 64bit java and flash plugins??? |
| 03:56.11 | Stratman4300 | figured i'd ask beofre i made my chroot :| |
| 03:56.37 | adb | !64bitjava |
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| 03:57.19 | Stratman4300 | !64bitjava |
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| 03:57.27 | Stratman4300 | hmmmm lol |
| 03:57.45 | mimcpher | Stratman4300, 64 bit flash doesn't exist. You can use a wrapper, though. |
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| 03:58.20 | Stratman4300 | mimcpher: yeah the last time i tried the wrapper it was real buggy.... though that was about a year ago |
| 03:58.49 | netdaemon | Stratman4300: flash is buggy without a wrapper |
| 03:59.14 | Stratman4300 | i've got a 32bit OS on another partition on the machine that i may just run 32 bit apps out of..... just figured i'd see if the 64bit packages existed yet |
| 03:59.22 | Stratman4300 | netdaemon: lol too true |
| 03:59.38 | netdaemon | Stratman4300: that being said, i find having the wrapper easier, kill nsplugin and firefox is back =) |
| 04:00.04 | netdaemon | npviewer.bin is usually the process name... |
| 04:00.23 | Stratman4300 | netdaemon: cool thanks for the info, i may have to try that first. |
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| 04:02.24 | netdaemon | Stratman4300: fedora uses nspluginwrapper for firefox, regardless of arch, if that gives an idea of how useful it is :) |
| 04:03.13 | Stratman4300 | stratman4300: out of the box eh?? well sounds like it may be worth looking into now =D |
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| 04:22.07 | TiMiDo | hey how come i cannot find the audicious packaged in debian? |
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| 04:22.26 | dmoerner | TiMiDo, because it's spelled audacious? |
| 04:22.42 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 04:22.43 | TiMiDo | =)_ |
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| 04:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | simple answer... I like that |
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| 04:30.42 | Gargantua | Hi. |
| 04:30.52 | DogBoy | the nerve of them to spell it correctly |
| 04:32.41 | Gargantua | I'm quite noobish with Linux, I have a Netgear MA101 wireless adapter, iwlist says there's no device interface present, lsusb shows the card, where do I go from here? |
| 04:32.47 | Gargantua | It's also listed here: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Netgear |
| 04:33.50 | Gargantua | The readme on http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html is very cryptic, I've never recompiled a kernel before, and I don't know if I have to. |
| 04:34.06 | mbrush | did you install the driver or is it supported by the kernel? |
| 04:34.06 | Gargantua | But any guideness would be appricated. |
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| 04:34.45 | mbrush | i'm no expert but my understanding is that if it's not supported in the kernel, you need to compile the module and load it |
| 04:34.46 | Gargantua | mbrush, I really don't know how to check for such information. |
| 04:35.07 | Gargantua | mbrush, Appearently you have to recompile the kernel too. |
| 04:35.19 | Gargantua | The readme talks about make configmenu in the kernel dir. |
| 04:35.20 | kill-9 | hey is there any ipv6 packaged? to download? |
| 04:35.25 | kill-9 | on debian? |
| 04:35.34 | mbrush | I think the kernel can load the module on boot? |
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| 04:36.06 | mbrush | I don't know though, no expert, I had a helluva time getting my Atheros card working |
| 04:36.35 | kill-9 | mbrush, but i want to actually irc on ipv6 |
| 04:36.52 | rmayorga | Gargantua: run 'dmesg' and take a look if there is something about your wireless card there |
| 04:36.55 | Gargantua | Alright, thanks anwho. |
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| 04:37.03 | Gargantua | rmayorga, alright, give me a second. |
| 04:37.25 | mbrush | I would download the driver file and read the README file ... usually lots of good info in there |
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| 04:37.41 | Gargantua | mbrush, I tried that, you should give it a try... |
| 04:37.49 | Gargantua | it's very cryptic, to my eyes anyways. |
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| 04:38.59 | mbrush | is there no tutorials on google? that's how i ultimately got my net working |
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| 04:45.50 | Gargantua | Hey. |
| 04:45.56 | Gargantua | Who was helping me a minute ago? |
| 04:46.36 | Gargantua | Well here's my dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m1e4e2669 |
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| 04:47.35 | Gargantua | I can't find anything about the adapter in it. |
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| 04:47.58 | DeathWolf | is there any reason my make is installed in /usr/X11R6/bin//make ? |
| 04:48.08 | DeathWolf | (reason taht I can fin dout) |
| 04:48.57 | DeathWolf | mmm, ok, there's one in usr bin too |
| 04:49.37 | adb | is a symlink only |
| 04:49.45 | DeathWolf | it's not here |
| 04:50.27 | adb | /usr/X11R6/bin >>> /usr/bin |
| 04:50.33 | DeathWolf | oh |
| 04:50.36 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 04:50.59 | DeathWolf | thanks |
| 04:51.05 | adb | welcome |
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| 04:57.23 | Gargantua | rmayorga you there? |
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| 04:58.06 | mbrush | Gargantua i think the last few lines might be the card |
| 04:58.27 | rmayorga | yes, but there is nothing about your driver anyway |
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| 04:58.53 | rmayorga | so, you should follow what README says |
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| 04:59.35 | Gargantua | Which one? |
| 05:00.07 | mbrush | http://myt.ag/URLWeb.aspx?email=steve%40fooworks.com&url=http%3a%2f%2fatmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net%2fhowto%2fhowto.html&sn= |
| 05:00.12 | mbrush | might be helpful |
| 05:00.43 | Gargantua | I was considering following that. |
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| 05:00.52 | Gargantua | I wonder if there's anything Redhat explicit in there. |
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| 05:01.04 | mbrush | some stuff, like RPMs and such |
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| 05:01.23 | Gargantua | I guess I'll try finding alternatives for that. |
| 05:01.27 | Gargantua | Well, thanks guys. |
| 05:01.33 | mbrush | good luck |
| 05:01.34 | Gargantua | digs into it |
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| 05:02.32 | Gargantua | atmel-firmware - Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips. |
| 05:02.35 | Gargantua | (from apt-cache) |
| 05:02.39 | Gargantua | interesting. |
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| 05:08.58 | Gargantua | Does debian use usb-uhci or uhci by default? |
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| 05:10.45 | Nai | hi! i have a problem with my debian, after a few days it changed something in relation to my default network interface? eth1 does not come up by default anymore, module has error: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
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| 05:11.20 | black_13 | is appropriate to ask how to install adobe flash? |
| 05:11.39 | Nai | it was set to DHCP, but now it doesn't work on boot, i get that ADDRCONF error at boot time and when reloading the e1000 module |
| 05:12.20 | netdaemon | black_13: flashplugin-nonfree in etch and sid, flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia otherwise |
| 05:12.34 | black_13 | thanks |
| 05:14.28 | black_13 | when i try to install flashplugin-nonfree i get "Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 05:14.54 | adb | add contrib non-free to sources.list |
| 05:15.27 | Gargantua | Does anyone know if debian uses usb-uhci or uhci by default? |
| 05:15.27 | adb | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:15.57 | black_13 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 05:16.07 | adb | yes |
| 05:16.09 | black_13 | is what i have |
| 05:16.17 | adb | atp-get update |
| 05:16.36 | adb | apt-get * |
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| 05:22.26 | black_13 | backports! |
| 05:22.32 | JyZyXEL | frontports! |
| 05:23.45 | Nai | need help from uber debian person with error message ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
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| 05:26.01 | Nai | could be kernel detecting interfaces in different order because of hotplug(i havn't changed hardware config), have also read it might be bug in ifup script, i also see strangeness in /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 05:26.12 | Gargantua | rmayorga, ah, you still there |
| 05:26.14 | Gargantua | ? |
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| 05:28.50 | rmayorga | Gargantua: yes |
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| 05:29.45 | Gargantua | any ideae what this is about? http://pastebin.ca/1238441 |
| 05:31.55 | rmayorga | Gargantua: tons errors there, I'm not sure about your driver either so I think I have no clue |
| 05:32.19 | Gargantua | Strange stuff eh. |
| 05:32.23 | mbrush | Gargantua do you have the kernel source and stuff installed? |
| 05:32.32 | mbrush | and build tools |
| 05:33.29 | Gargantua | well |
| 05:33.31 | Gargantua | dreambox:/usr/src/linux/kernel# ls |
| 05:33.31 | Gargantua | irq Kconfig.hz Kconfig.preempt Makefile power time |
| 05:33.37 | mbrush | i think it's 'linux-headers-`uname -r`' and 'build-essential' |
| 05:33.45 | mbrush | packages |
| 05:33.49 | Gargantua | and libc: /usr/lib/libc.a /usr/lib/libc.so exists too. |
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| 05:34.13 | Gargantua | It would have said something if it needed the kernel source (Which I have) |
| 05:34.24 | Gargantua | I think it's something with the code itself :S |
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| 05:35.00 | mbrush | do you have all the build tools? |
| 05:35.14 | Random | Quick question: whats the command to execute a program from root and also the command to compile im used to: cc filename and for running a program ./filename & to keep it open. |
| 05:35.47 | stew | Gargantua: i'd guess you'll find that the code compiles with gcc-3.4 but not gcc-4.x |
| 05:35.51 | Gargantua | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 05:36.18 | Gargantua | stew, what the? |
| 05:36.39 | Gargantua | stew, how do you know that and what can I do to fix it? |
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| 05:37.36 | mbrush | Random: execute as root you can use su root or install sudo and to compile is gcc depending what you're compiling |
| 05:37.44 | brainsoft | check if your system allows you to send redirect |
| 05:37.44 | brainsoft | messages e.g. look at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/*redirect or at |
| 05:37.44 | brainsoft | sysctl net.ipv4.conf.default.send_redirects. |
| 05:37.44 | brainsoft | Try sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=0 under FreeBSD. |
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| 05:37.52 | brainsoft | sorry |
| 05:37.55 | brainsoft | wheres that on debian? i dont have it |
| 05:38.04 | stew | Gargantua: i don't know, i'm guessing, but we started seeing this type of error all the time when we made the gcc3 -> gcc4 switch. gcc4 is more strict about what it will accept as valid c. |
| 05:38.19 | brainsoft | Try sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=0 under FreeBSD. |
| 05:38.28 | Gargantua | stew, well maybe there's a flag to turn it off. |
| 05:38.31 | Random | mbrush what about just running a program via root im used to cd to the folder then typing ./filename & to keep it alive even after putty is closed |
| 05:38.32 | Gargantua | How can I downgrade? |
| 05:38.53 | Random | mbrush but when i do that it says the file cannot be found but when i dir the file shows up. |
| 05:38.57 | stew | Gargantua: to fix it, you would install gcc-3.4 and compile again with "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" and if that makes it compile, then you'd have to recompile the kernel with gcc-3,4 as well since you wouldn't be able to load a 3.4 compiled module into a kernel compiled with 4. |
| 05:39.12 | mbrush | if you run with the & it runs in the background and you miss the password prompt maybe? |
| 05:39.27 | Random | mbrush im already logged into root. |
| 05:39.27 | Gargantua | Oh lord. |
| 05:39.32 | mbrush | oh |
| 05:39.49 | Random | im saying when im already logged into root i cd to the folder i type ./filename & |
| 05:39.54 | Random | says it cannot find the file. |
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| 05:40.27 | mbrush | if you're sure you're in the right directory and the file has execute permissions, it should work like that |
| 05:40.36 | Random | thats what i thought. |
| 05:40.45 | stew | Random: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 05:41.05 | adb | and "pwd" |
| 05:41.53 | miksuh | Random: are you sure you typed it correctly, remember that eg. A is not the same as a |
| 05:42.06 | Random | http://pastebin.com/d76d9873e |
| 05:42.16 | Random | yes ive even copied it |
| 05:42.32 | Gargantua | stew, well, I installed 3.4, make world "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" returned the same errors I put in that paste :s |
| 05:43.27 | mbrush | random do 'ls -l' |
| 05:43.43 | Random | l ir i |
| 05:43.46 | Random | *or |
| 05:43.48 | mbrush | ell |
| 05:44.18 | Random | mbrush > http://pastebin.com/d66ad781d |
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| 05:45.20 | mbrush | not sure ... what kind of file is it? |
| 05:45.59 | Random | an excute file it had no extention on it to begin with. |
| 05:46.37 | stew | Random: i'd strace it to see exactly what file is not found |
| 05:47.18 | Random | ya stew i found it a bit weird cause im used to freebsd and centos but i didnt think debian was to much difference with running programs. |
| 05:47.28 | stew | Random: its not |
| 05:47.57 | Random | Ill go into more detail with the file i think but thanks for the help. |
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| 06:06.43 | Random | since cc doesnt work on debian whats the alt command? |
| 06:06.57 | mbrush | gcc ? |
| 06:07.03 | Random | is it gcc? |
| 06:07.23 | mbrush | that is the main C compiler I believe |
| 06:07.23 | Random | for example: cc blah.c -o blah -pthread |
| 06:07.28 | Random | gcc doesnt work either. |
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| 06:07.50 | Random | -bash: gcc: command not found |
| 06:08.17 | mbrush | works here |
| 06:08.42 | mbrush | i lied, i'm on a different hard drive |
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| 06:08.53 | Random | lol. you liar! |
| 06:08.54 | mbrush | i dunno ... that is one of the compilers you can use |
| 06:09.11 | Random | ya im used to freebsd and centos trying to help a friend out on his debian. |
| 06:09.15 | adb | cc: blah.c: No such file or directory |
| 06:09.36 | Random | i have blah.c uploaded :) |
| 06:09.37 | mbrush | http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 06:09.46 | Random | blah.c blah.h bot.conf |
| 06:09.50 | liable | !b-e Random |
| 06:09.51 | dpkg | Random: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 06:10.12 | Random | lol i told him to switch to freebsd :) |
| 06:10.22 | kunwon1 | wrong answer! |
| 06:10.27 | Random | nothing against debian though just a bit more familar with freebsd |
| 06:10.31 | sandman | Shouldn't Debian remove bnetd from its repositories? |
| 06:10.51 | sandman | I mean, I think what Blizzard did to the bnetd project was total bunk... but won't Blizzard come after Debian for hosting it? |
| 06:11.00 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 06:11.06 | Random | its not bnetd it's a bot for bnetd type server |
| 06:11.47 | Random | but blizzard has no rules against bots as long as the bots themselves dont break tos. |
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| 06:12.11 | Random | mbrush if your intrested in starcraft 2 i will probably be getting a few beta invites. |
| 06:12.15 | sandman | You sure it's just a bot? |
| 06:12.24 | Random | ya ive already checked the coding. |
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| 06:12.41 | kunwon1 | bnetd is a battle.net server |
| 06:12.46 | kunwon1 | not a bot |
| 06:12.51 | Random | bnetd itself is a battle.net server. |
| 06:12.59 | kunwon1 | aptitude show bnetd |
| 06:13.20 | Random | but i was refurring to a bot that logs into a bnetd type server. |
| 06:13.44 | kunwon1 | Oh. I think sandman was talking about the bnetd package in the debian repos |
| 06:13.49 | Random | oh. |
| 06:14.02 | GhostlyDeath | bnetd is the Battle.net Server |
| 06:14.09 | Random | i dont think blizzard cares enough about bnetd anymore |
| 06:14.19 | Random | since battle.net 2.0 is coming out and they have world of warcraft |
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| 06:14.48 | Sling | and the sword of a thousand truths |
| 06:15.11 | Random | although since starcraft 2 will be released on 3 seperate disks they will be making money on that as well. |
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| 06:16.42 | Random | although i'm sorry i've carried this into a off topic conversation. |
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| 06:25.41 | susanne-r- | okay so the system is booting with / as r/o apparently. how to attempt to fix? i don't have console on this box |
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| 06:26.34 | Supaplex | susanne-r-: touch / fails? |
| 06:27.20 | susanne-r- | Supaplex: no. hrm. wtf? |
| 06:27.32 | susanne-r- | oh hrm |
| 06:27.45 | Supaplex | how do you figure it's r/o? it's suppose to be r/o until it's remounted r/w |
| 06:28.32 | susanne-r- | cuz it's not / that's r/o. it's /home. i'd forgotten that i set /home up on a separate partition. |
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| 06:29.25 | susanne-r- | touch: setting times of `home': Read-only file system |
| 06:29.29 | susanne-r- | so looks like an fsck is in order? |
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| 06:29.50 | Supaplex | yeah. unmount it first. verify /etc/fstab isn't forcing it ro |
| 06:30.07 | susanne-r- | rw,errors=remount-ro |
| 06:30.16 | stew | susanne-r-: check syslog and dmesg to see if you see log about remounting it ro and why |
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| 06:32.21 | susanne-r- | i'm glad i had the foresight to put all my various bits on separate partitions. pain in the butt to set up, but shows its uses now. <sigh> |
| 06:34.04 | Supaplex | I had a very strange problem with a filesystem about a year ago. thankfully it wasn't an important one, because I decided to reformat it later. and good thing mine are backed up too. :) |
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| 06:40.11 | jaggz1 | can samba use an admin user (root) for access, but written files be given a particular user id? |
| 06:40.37 | jaggz1 | so you can access everything in a share, but not write out the files as root |
| 06:42.31 | jaggz1 | force user (S) that's neat, but isn't what I'm looking for. |
| 06:43.03 | jaggz1 | why am I using samba to share files between linux systems anyway? |
| 06:43.27 | zinx | maybe you're not so bright? |
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| 06:50.08 | jaggz1 | what's a more secure method, zinx? |
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| 06:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | NFS |
| 06:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 06:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | No Fuckn Security |
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| 06:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about sshfs |
| 06:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a bit like samba with encryption |
| 06:54.30 | simonrvn | !kill pz1983 |
| 06:54.31 | dpkg | chops pz1983's head off with a large trout |
| 06:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | amazing, considering he's already gone |
| 06:55.01 | adb | heh |
| 06:55.05 | simonrvn | who cares, it's satisfying :) |
| 06:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, what was that for |
| 06:55.27 | simonrvn | ctcp ping the chan |
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| 06:55.39 | jaggz1 | sshfs might be good.. with encryption turned down (for lan) |
| 06:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that supposed to do anything? |
| 06:55.49 | adb | !ctcp |
| 06:55.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ctcp is the Client To Client Protocol, part of IRC (version, ping, etc.) |
| 06:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but a channel? |
| 06:56.33 | simonrvn | mostly just annoys people. pinging the channel you ping everyone in it. |
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| 06:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that must give a nice response, then |
| 06:57.16 | simonrvn | yeh, sometimes the requester gets "sendq exceeded" ;) |
| 06:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he felt lonely... |
| 06:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a GSSAPIAuthentication |
| 06:58.41 | simonrvn | authc/n/z via kerberos/gssapi |
| 06:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, guess I don't need that :) |
| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | no :) |
| 06:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of the two words I got from this was "kerberos" :) |
| 06:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | which was enough |
| 06:59.50 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 07:00.17 | simonrvn | authentification/authorization |
| 07:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, not true, via was also understandable |
| 07:00.35 | johnsons | DCC SEND "readerror" 0 0 0 |
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| 07:00.53 | simonrvn | !ops johnsons dcc send exploit |
| 07:00.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: johnsons dcc send exploit |
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| 07:01.08 | johnsons | OPS? |
| 07:01.24 | simonrvn | El_Guillermo: update, jdavis: update your routers' firmware.... |
| 07:01.34 | simonrvn | johnsons: go away lamer |
| 07:01.41 | johnsons | el mexicanos |
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| 07:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | funy stuff going on in here at this time |
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| 07:02.10 | simonrvn | time of day/night... |
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| 07:02.25 | ErrantEgo | simonrvn: looks like he was doing that in #gentoo & #ubuntu too |
| 07:02.27 | simonrvn | same dude, fyi |
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| 07:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess whatever DCC SEND "readerror" 0 0 0 should have done, it didn't work |
| 07:02.51 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: please do not send that to the channel |
| 07:02.55 | simonrvn | similar hostname |
| 07:03.00 | simonrvn | it did |
| 07:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh? |
| 07:03.15 | simonrvn | 2 people quit |
| 07:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | time for google, I guess |
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| 07:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... that just throws up a lot of irc logs... but after that comment, I can guess what it's supposed to do and how anyways |
| 07:04.30 | simonrvn | it's an exploit in some old router firmwares where instead of blocking certain attack vectors, it crashes the applicance and disconnects people. |
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| 07:05.03 | simonrvn | it's been fixed since, but obviously some people haven't updated... |
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| 07:05.17 | simonrvn | ErrantEgo: thanks for the info |
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| 07:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | fun... but obviously no big success 2/800 |
| 07:05.48 | simonrvn | used to be worse heh |
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| 07:07.38 | jackg | hello guys:)now i found i can connect with the debian.cn99 sources .why ?anybody know? |
| 07:07.54 | jackg | i can not connect with |
| 07:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I should subscribe to some scriptkiddie-newsletter... I'm becoming old and clueless |
| 07:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, before, I was young and clueless.... |
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| 07:10.03 | simonrvn | which is better ? ;) |
| 07:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackg, like in http://mirror.debian.org/debian.cn99.com.html ? |
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| 07:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, being young is always better, except for the pimples and your cluelessness |
| 07:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 07:11.07 | jackg | my source list is "deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 07:11.08 | jackg | " for a long time |
| 07:11.20 | jackg | ok i try it |
| 07:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 07:11.36 | simonrvn | i like the middle. still young enough to be high energy, and old enough to have _some_ clue |
| 07:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackg I just meant if I read this correctly, you're not alone with it |
| 07:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackg, wait a bit if it goes away, if you can... else just switch |
| 07:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I think I skipped that stage |
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| 07:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | still clueless, but the energy is gone :-P |
| 07:14.34 | bolt | What does a symlink to 127.0.0.1:+21623 do? Mozilla creates such a link, called "lock" when started. Problem is that after I put my .mozilla-thunderbird on a fileserver and started mounting it with sshfs, the lock file link shows up as invalid, and thunderbird behaves weirdly, giving the incoming mail sound without there being any mail and such. |
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| 07:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, does what it's called... :) |
| 07:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a pointer, telling future mozillas that mozilla already runs |
| 07:15.27 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: why doesn't it work on a sshfs file system? i can make symlinks manually |
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| 07:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno in this case - but to give you a guess |
| 07:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | the filename allows mozilla to find the process which is already running |
| 07:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... so you've just got it on the sshfs, but you're still running it on only one machine |
| 07:16.48 | bolt | yes |
| 07:16.54 | simonrvn | bolt: file's locked? |
| 07:16.58 | bolt | just there so it will be backed up and such |
| 07:17.08 | bolt | simonrvn: ? |
| 07:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 07:18.12 | bolt | gah. now it did it again. new mail sound and no mail. i feel like someone is rattling my bag of dog food without feeding me :/ |
| 07:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you're saying the process also locks the file, so... if it can be removed/changed/whatever, the process is gone? |
| 07:18.54 | simonrvn | well, it checks for it, if there's none there, it'll start |
| 07:19.14 | simonrvn | you can open another profile, but not that one |
| 07:19.57 | bolt | so is that link being invalid the reason why it breaks? |
| 07:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, the link should always be invalid, I'd think |
| 07:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was it pointing to before? |
| 07:20.29 | simonrvn | no, it'll be invalid anyway, even if running normally. it's just a pointer |
| 07:20.38 | bolt | oh |
| 07:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a way to make a filename without a file |
| 07:20.58 | simonrvn | erm, indicator |
| 07:21.03 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:21.38 | bolt | hm.. why is it behaving so strangely, then? i tried putting the files back on the local harddrive, and then it doesn't do the weird things anymore. |
| 07:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what I thouhgt couldn't the process also use something like ... dunno flock on it, and following processes can learn this way if the process still exists? |
| 07:22.04 | simonrvn | something to do with fuse i bet |
| 07:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that probably wouldn't work via sshfs and would explain his problems |
| 07:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are "the weird things" |
| 07:22.44 | bolt | these are my mount options, if that's any help: "-fstype=fuse,rw,nodev,allow_other,max_read=65536,uid=1000,gid=1000". not sure what nodev does.. |
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| 07:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | if mozilla is not running, you can/should remove the lockfile |
| 07:23.07 | simonrvn | the nodev maybe |
| 07:23.15 | simonrvn | certainly |
| 07:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 07:23.28 | bolt | can't find any mention of nodev in the sshfs manual |
| 07:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 07:23.39 | bolt | it was just in the sshfs tutorial i found |
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| 07:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a softlink |
| 07:23.53 | SJrX | http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/ |
| 07:23.59 | simonrvn | only thing i can see that would fuck it up, but i agree it doesn't make sense. |
| 07:24.01 | bolt | the softlink might not be the cause of the problem though |
| 07:24.47 | bolt | i'll try and switch nodev to dev. still no idea what it does, but i'll see if that improves it |
| 07:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 07:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought - but still it would be extremely weird if mozilla |
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| 07:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'd need to make a device within a dot-directory to function properly |
| 07:25.36 | bolt | i know you can't mount iso's and stuff with nodev |
| 07:25.45 | bolt | but i've never needed to |
| 07:26.07 | bolt | gah. my irc client's config is also on that sshfs mount :/ brb |
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| 07:30.43 | SJrX | diabolical |
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| 07:33.34 | bolt | right. now i just have to wait and see if it happens again |
| 07:33.46 | bolt | doesn't happen for every email, ofcourse. then it would be easy to test. happens about once an hour |
| 07:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happens again |
| 07:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you keep being mysterious about the problem it caused |
| 07:34.01 | bolt | that mozilla plays the new mail sound without there being any mail |
| 07:34.05 | bolt | said so a few times |
| 07:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 07:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 07:34.28 | bolt | and it would also suddenly take a very long time to access some folders in the mailbox |
| 07:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that obviously is unrelated to the lock |
| 07:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | just move the mail part of mozilla back to the local disk |
| 07:35.08 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: i wouldn't know. it's obviously caused by the sshfs mount, at least. |
| 07:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this paints a completely different picture :) |
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| 07:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have told us what you see, not what you suspect :) |
| 07:35.51 | bolt | but having the mail part on the server is kind of the whole point |
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| 07:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, yes... I see that :) time for NFS :-P |
| 07:38.07 | bolt | never fucking stable :) |
| 07:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, I'd think your new-mail thingy happens because sshfs kind of closes the connection or something |
| 07:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | then reconnects and sees "ah, a new file" |
| 07:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "a new date on the file" |
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| 07:38.41 | zxxd | hi |
| 07:38.47 | xedasx | moin |
| 07:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so "oh, must be new mail" |
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| 07:39.12 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: hm.. that's a good point, actually. maybe i can find some way to keep it open. keep touching some file or something :P |
| 07:39.25 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: or some timeout mount options |
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| 07:40.03 | bolt | gah. gotta go to work. i'll kick the fileserver once i'm there, just for good luck |
| 07:40.07 | bolt | pokes bolt-work |
| 07:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 07:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw |
| 07:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | try setting |
| 07:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it was : KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 |
| 07:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh by default has a "great" 5-minute interval until the connection times out |
| 07:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... that might be it for you... |
| 07:42.52 | bolt | will do. thanks for your help CutMeOwnThroat, simonrvn :) |
| 07:42.57 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | b |
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| 07:48.09 | fken | hi |
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| 07:54.56 | FR33L4NC3 | if i'd like to download a debian CD from debian.org, witch one do I choose, and why are there 21 CD's to choose of |
| 07:55.24 | CcSsNET | u can find irc |
| 07:55.24 | vaq | Depends on your CPU |
| 07:55.32 | simonrvn | it's the whole distro. you only need #1 to install, or smaller (like business card or netinst) |
| 07:55.33 | CcSsNET | but dont know what the difrent cpus are |
| 07:55.54 | FR33L4NC3 | does debian also have 'life cd'? |
| 07:56.00 | CcSsNET | no |
| 07:56.02 | simonrvn | if you don't know it's probably i386 or amd64. what's the cpu? |
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| 07:57.22 | simonrvn | waits for an answer... |
| 07:57.29 | stew | FR33L4NC3: yes, /msg dpkg live |
| 07:58.04 | simonrvn | oh "LIVE CD". |
| 07:58.14 | simonrvn | ding ding ding |
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| 08:02.33 | adb | http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ Not Found (from /msg dpkg live) |
| 08:03.07 | fken | is there any unstability problem with debian today ? |
| 08:03.56 | FR33L4NC3 | has there ever been since many years? |
| 08:04.10 | fken | my girlfriend who is several kilometers far from me told me she cannot write anything once she pass the kdm display |
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| 08:04.23 | {mg} | Good Morning! In "top", what is the "nice" value of the "cpu" row? |
| 08:04.40 | tarzeau | {mg}: the nice level of a process |
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| 08:04.58 | tarzeau | man nice |
| 08:05.13 | tarzeau | you know like nice when you order a girl a drink, she gets nicer |
| 08:05.21 | FR33L4NC3 | simonrvn: sorry, I always mix up life and live |
| 08:05.22 | {mg} | tarzeau: no, i mean the % value in top. |
| 08:05.32 | FR33L4NC3 | :P |
| 08:05.42 | simonrvn | FR33L4NC3: s'ok, i understood it after stew mentioned it |
| 08:05.50 | {mg} | tarzeau: Cpu(s): 4.5% user, 3.6% system, 5.4% nice, 86.5% idle |
| 08:05.50 | tarzeau | {mg}: all the processes average niced? |
| 08:05.53 | fken | well FR33L4NC3 : I am trying to make a ssh rescue on a computer whose user use to say I don't know what's happened it magically disappear... then please dont laught at my poor condition |
| 08:05.59 | tarzeau | {mg}: 5.4% cpu time is nice |
| 08:06.11 | {mg} | tarzeau: and what does that mean? |
| 08:06.12 | tarzeau | {mg}: appears yellow in xosview |
| 08:06.14 | simonrvn | 86% idle |
| 08:06.18 | tarzeau | {mg}: that someone run a command with nice ahead |
| 08:06.27 | tarzeau | {mg}: those processes are nice to the others |
| 08:06.43 | simonrvn | or not nice, depending ;) |
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| 08:06.57 | FR33L4NC3 | fken: hmm.. I gues it's not debians fault, but you can never be 100% sure can you |
| 08:07.24 | {mg} | its a LAMP machine. So either PHP or MySql would have to be nice, becaue these are the only ones that do lots of stuff. And I see values of 60% nice in top. |
| 08:08.02 | MS-DOS | Lenny is close, I can smell it |
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| 08:08.30 | adb | MS-DOS: 0.0%ni (ce) |
| 08:09.03 | simonrvn | Cpu(s): 5.6%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 08:09.06 | fken | FR33L4NC3: it's "unstable" release... but I wonder why the issue happened after the 2nd reboot |
| 08:09.21 | simonrvn | !unstable |
| 08:09.22 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
| 08:09.23 | MS-DOS | I have a feeling it will be released within the year |
| 08:09.54 | FR33L4NC3 | fken: beats me, I'm the most noby noob here |
| 08:09.59 | simonrvn | it's currently frozen. duh. |
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| 08:10.15 | micha_ | somebody know how to hide user from the kdm login |
| 08:11.41 | FR33L4NC3 | that's what i thought, debian has been frozen for years |
| 08:12.05 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg lenny status |
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| 08:13.53 | n-iCe | what's the last kernel for Debian or repositories? |
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| 08:18.14 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 08:18.24 | simonrvn | n-iCe: eh? what do you mean? what lenny will be released with? |
| 08:18.27 | DukeDrake | how can I set the line and column-values of a tty? |
| 08:18.34 | simonrvn | 2.6.26 IIRC |
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| 08:19.10 | n-iCe | simonrvn: yes |
| 08:19.11 | phr3ak | dukedrake: i use it for dpkg, COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
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| 08:19.23 | n-iCe | simonrvn: I have 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 08:19.32 | torrrr | whats wrong with this flash? |
| 08:19.34 | simonrvn | stty, setterm are a couple that come to mind. also using something like fbset if using a framebuffer, or svgatextmode, or booting grub/grub2 with a certain vga= setting |
| 08:19.35 | torrrr | http://store.nike.com/index.jsp?sitesrc=USLP&country=US&lang_locale=en_US |
| 08:19.43 | n-iCe | a dist-upgrade must do the upgrade? |
| 08:19.51 | DukeDrake | simonrvn: wow |
| 08:20.12 | angryuser | can someone tell me how the heartbeat and watchdog interacts ? i have set the watchdog dev in ha.cf file, will heartbeat write there ? |
| 08:20.19 | simonrvn | n-iCe: if say etch->lenny yes |
| 08:20.44 | n-iCe | I use lenny, bust there are no packages for upgrad |
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| 08:22.16 | starscalling | eh |
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| 08:23.13 | torrrr | does etch has flashplayer 10 yet? |
| 08:24.10 | simonrvn | no. and never will. |
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| 08:25.28 | FR33L4NC3 | why not, becouse it is frozen? |
| 08:26.03 | torrrr | simonrvn, was that for me? |
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| 08:27.24 | fken | torrrr: if you want flash10 come on gentoo ! We have it since ... so long that I cant remember |
| 08:27.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:28.18 | simonrvn | changing distros just for a flash version is like changing your car because someone farted in it. |
| 08:28.20 | torrrr | fken, thanks, but... gentoo is too much work, I think |
| 08:28.59 | xoz | if it works in gentoo, porting should be trivial |
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| 08:29.44 | torrrr | xoz, but until it will get into stable it would be 2 years from now |
| 08:29.46 | fken | torrrr: today I ve more work on my gf debian than on my own gentoo boxes |
| 08:29.51 | simonrvn | there's probably one in backports, if someone bothered with flash |
| 08:30.23 | torrrr | that should be in nonfree |
| 08:31.24 | torrrr | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 08:32.52 | torrrr | so 10 is on experimental now... |
| 08:33.11 | torrrr | what do I do witht that, I still didn't figure out :?/ |
| 08:34.07 | simonrvn | nothing. it's not installable on etch |
| 08:36.34 | torrrr | simonrvn, would it be installable on lenny? |
| 08:36.51 | simonrvn | likely |
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| 08:37.16 | simonrvn | you may still have to backport though, because of deps. just a fair warning. |
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| 08:41.56 | gr3p | hi, does anybody know how to view the changes for each package that needs an update while doing an 'apt-get upgrade'? |
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| 08:43.39 | tarzeau | gr3p: apt-listchanges - Display change history from .deb archives |
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| 08:49.04 | gr3p | tarzeau: thanks for the hint |
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| 08:49.35 | tarzeau | you're welcome! |
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| 08:51.38 | simonrvn | tarzeau! |
| 08:52.04 | tarzeau | simonrvn: good morning! my 2nd day of helldesk for this week |
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| 08:52.15 | tarzeau | but the real days are the octoberfestnights :) |
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| 08:53.10 | simonrvn | g'morning to you too. ooh, tech support eh? indeed, many people look forward to that, hehe |
| 08:53.32 | tarzeau | simonrvn: at least i can listen to MTV Dance between the calls |
| 08:54.01 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:54.19 | enouf | wow, my ISP screwed me for a few hours there |
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| 08:55.13 | SJrX | I'm running debian/sid and I have noticed that for the past month that since about the time I did a dist-upgrade with samba to 3.2, that I've had weird problems playing videos. |
| 08:55.28 | SJrX | I can't go back to the 3.0 packages because of unsatisfable dependancies. |
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| 08:55.55 | SJrX | Now as it turns out, I can compile samba from source without installing anything new |
| 08:56.09 | SJrX | Is there a reason I shouldn't just force that m0f0 through like a bat out of hell. |
| 08:56.30 | enouf | i think the chinamen are attacking me now too - i found these 2 IPs in my routers access logs http://pastebin.ca/raw/1238494 - unfortunately, my router is a bit screwed atm, it's showing everything date 2000-01-01 |
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| 08:56.51 | jelly-home | torrrr: fwiw, not even the version in experimental is fixed for the flash 10 release yet |
| 08:57.00 | enouf | maybe it's time to upgrade the firmware if possible, eh? |
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| 08:57.41 | torrrr | jelly-home, what does that mean? |
| 08:57.48 | tarzeau | does any of you have/make debian stickers for snowboards? |
| 08:58.18 | enouf | oh, s/access logs/access control logs/ which is really a way to group PCs into groups and assign each group only certain access to certain protocols and ports, etc |
| 08:58.39 | torrrr | syntax error - fixed for |
| 09:00.51 | jelly-home | torrrr: it means it worked (for me) with the alpha release of flash 10, but doesn't work when I try to "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" now |
| 09:02.06 | torrrr | jelly-home, define 'alfa release of ... 10'? |
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| 09:03.43 | jelly-home | torrrr: something from august. |
| 09:03.49 | torrrr | jelly-home, is that what you download from adobe.com? |
| 09:05.05 | jelly-home | torrrr: I didn't download anything, the script is supposed to do it itself. To cut it short, flashplugin-nonfree from exp. doesn't work with latest flash yet |
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| 09:07.12 | enouf | are all things non-free now going to get their very own update-this-POS-here alternative now? |
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| 09:10.51 | torrrr | is glibc and libc6 the same thing? |
| 09:11.28 | torrrr | because I don't find glibc in my system |
| 09:11.30 | jelly-home | torrrr: yes |
| 09:12.00 | torrrr | so the script in adobe site say minimum is 2.3 |
| 09:12.29 | torrrr | and my etch libc6 is 2.3.6 |
| 09:12.37 | jelly-home | torrrr: they also have a gtk+ dependency that you cannot satisfy in etch, I think |
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| 09:18.53 | koskoz | hi |
| 09:19.03 | tarzeau | hi |
| 09:19.11 | koskoz | i've got a big probleme with my dependancies, and i don't know how to fix it :/ |
| 09:19.27 | koskoz | http://pastebin.com/f4a9ffcb6 |
| 09:19.28 | tarzeau | did you mix repos? |
| 09:19.38 | koskoz | and i'm a noob user ^^ |
| 09:19.42 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:19.42 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 09:19.50 | tarzeau | what do you have? sid? testing? stable? |
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| 09:20.00 | koskoz | lenny |
| 09:21.40 | torrrr | I wonder what would happen if I would just replace the libflashplayer.so that I have in nofree, with the new one... |
| 09:22.05 | torrrr | I'll do it after hours and see |
| 09:22.39 | OpenTokix | flash is hell on earth |
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| 09:24.20 | tarzeau | torrrr: why don't you use swfdec-mozilla? |
| 09:24.24 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: not anymore |
| 09:24.37 | torrrr | OpenTokix, you know if you move the letters in adobe a bit and squint... it spels devil :/ |
| 09:24.50 | OpenTokix | torrrr: hehe |
| 09:25.02 | voltage` | foxit for the win :) |
| 09:25.24 | torrrr | tarzeau, what's that? |
| 09:25.35 | tarzeau | torrrr: a free flash player plugin |
| 09:25.40 | tarzeau | which also works on non-x86 and amd64 |
| 09:26.14 | torrrr | tarzeau, I don't remember exactly why, but on some stage I moved to the non free |
| 09:26.15 | TiMiDo | hey how do i update my clock? |
| 09:26.28 | tarzeau | torrrr: the non-free only works on x86 |
| 09:26.33 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: rdate or ntp? |
| 09:26.42 | TiMiDo | hmm okey |
| 09:26.44 | torrrr | tarzeau, maybe some things don't work on the free oone |
| 09:26.56 | tarzeau | not with the sid version :) |
| 09:26.58 | torrrr | tarzeau, I use x86 |
| 09:27.06 | tarzeau | i use powerpc and amd64 |
| 09:27.18 | torrrr | ah |
| 09:27.20 | tarzeau | and sparc |
| 09:27.44 | torrrr | tarzeau, can you see the folowing page: |
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| 09:28.24 | tarzeau | torrrr, is it work safe? |
| 09:28.27 | torrrr | http://store.nike.com/index.jsp?sitesrc=USLP&country=US&lang_locale=en_US |
| 09:28.28 | yang | tarzeau: did you get rid of the alpha? |
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| 09:28.49 | tarzeau | yang: nah, but debian broke it. and the mips got never installed successfully |
| 09:28.57 | tarzeau | yang: ah the large one? it's still home - collecting dust |
| 09:29.10 | torrrr | tarzeau, what? work safe? |
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| 09:29.28 | yang | tarzeau: if you can save it untill spring, I can come around to pick it up |
| 09:29.36 | tarzeau | torrrr: i thought you'd paste some playboy.com url. heh |
| 09:29.47 | torrrr | ah |
| 09:29.52 | tarzeau | yang: sure, i guess |
| 09:30.05 | torrrr | tarzeau, it is the nike store |
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| 09:30.11 | tarzeau | torrrr: it's slow... |
| 09:30.16 | torrrr | tarzeau, some user came across it |
| 09:30.25 | tarzeau | torrrr: secure-niketown.nike.com is very very slow? |
| 09:30.35 | TiMiDo | tarzeau, how do you update it with rdate? |
| 09:30.42 | tarzeau | TiMiDo: man rdate |
| 09:30.44 | tarzeau | torrrr: doesn't work |
| 09:30.46 | torrrr | tarzeau, I don't know, |
| 09:31.04 | torrrr | tarzeau, maybe you need nonfree :D |
| 09:31.18 | tarzeau | doesn't exist for amd64 :) |
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| 09:31.48 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
| 09:31.52 | torrrr | tarzeau, I saw something about it , you are right |
| 09:31.54 | yang | tarzeau: however my gf will throw me out of the flat, I got too much hardware lying around allready:) |
| 09:32.11 | tarzeau | yang: you can build a house with only old hardware!!!! |
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| 09:32.38 | tarzeau | yang: isn't it easy? your girlfriend gives you joy and cooks for you. your computers don't |
| 09:32.45 | yang | tarzeau: that would be nice...If I had more income I would rent a separate space and turn it into a museum |
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| 09:33.34 | yang | tarzeau: Raffzahn has a warehouse with about 1000+ computers :) |
| 09:34.10 | tarzeau | yang: yeah i heard about that |
| 09:34.10 | voltage` | << has one room and 5 puters and 4 that need parts lol. |
| 09:34.38 | voltage` | This one is was going to be trash at the local hospital |
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| 09:43.51 | koskoz | omg, i'm so bored by this problem :/ |
| 09:44.12 | koskoz | i can't install packages anymore |
| 09:44.30 | koskoz | i tried, aptitude upgrade, apt-get upgrade, dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:44.38 | koskoz | apt-get -f install |
| 09:44.43 | koskoz | but none of them worked :/ |
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| 09:45.11 | koskoz | and i need help |
| 09:45.30 | koskoz | here is the problem |
| 09:45.30 | koskoz | http://pastebin.com/f4a9ffcb6 |
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| 09:45.57 | E-bola | Anybody here run Debian under Hyper-V? |
| 09:45.59 | enouf | koskoz: did you start with a debian installation? |
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| 09:46.12 | koskoz | yep |
| 09:46.21 | Shamim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.31 | rvsjoen | doesnt sid have packages for e17 yet ? |
| 09:46.47 | rvsjoen | Shamim : try using the full path maybe |
| 09:47.36 | enouf | koskoz: listen repost that info - but do export LANG=C prior - and use pastebin.ca for text view - it's all fugly formatted there |
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| 09:48.10 | koskoz | enouf : LANG=C ? |
| 09:48.14 | koskoz | what's that ? |
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| 09:48.58 | enouf | koskoz: you can either do that for a one-shot thing or "export LANG=C" once which will affect entire session |
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| 09:49.31 | hifi | Shamim: openbox-session |
| 09:49.38 | enouf | koskoz: it'll kick out english messages |
| 09:49.58 | themill | koskoz: it changes the language to the default "C" language which is English and will always be installed (where as en_US.UTF-8 or some such might not be installed) |
| 09:50.00 | rvsjoen | anyone even tried e17 ? is it worth the hassle ? |
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| 09:50.07 | enouf | koskoz: or "export LANG=C" once which will affect entire session |
| 09:50.11 | enouf | whoops |
| 09:50.36 | koskoz | oh yes, sorry |
| 09:50.40 | koskoz | it's in french |
| 09:50.59 | enouf | koskoz: "LANG=C command ... " or "export LANG=C" once which will affect entire shell session - and it'll revert to your original locale once you restart that shell / xterm |
| 09:51.03 | Shamim | hifi: same error |
| 09:51.25 | hifi | Shamim: reboot to update your enviroment |
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| 09:51.39 | Shamim | hifi: ok |
| 09:51.45 | hifi | if you installed openbox, openbox-session should work just fine in .xinitrc |
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| 09:52.03 | koskoz | http://pastebin.ca/1238510 |
| 09:52.07 | koskoz | in english :) |
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| 09:53.42 | Shamim | hifi: i also installed fluxbox, can select openbox from fluxbox menu |
| 09:53.42 | liable | makes output engrish |
| 09:53.42 | liable | [5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
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| 09:53.42 | liable | eeek |
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| 09:53.42 | enouf | Shamim: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager (maybe) |
| 09:53.42 | liable | sorry 'bout that |
| 09:53.42 | bolt-work | Shamim: $ which openbox-session |
| 09:53.42 | themill | chases after liable with a pair of scissors to cut of all his tails |
| 09:53.43 | enouf | ... |
| 09:53.54 | liable | stupid kde is having fits |
| 09:53.59 | themill | !update-xmlcatalog bug |
| 09:53.59 | dpkg | There is a known bug in upgrading from etch to lenny. See http://bugs.debian.org/482140. If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so. Follow the advice in that bug report to solve the bug. |
| 09:54.11 | themill | koskoz: ^^ |
| 09:54.13 | Shamim | bolt-work: output gives nothing |
| 09:54.14 | enouf | Shamim: update-alternatives --config [TAB][TAB] when in doubt :-P |
| 09:54.48 | hifi | gives my dot files :p |
| 09:54.55 | hifi | if I tab tab after --config |
| 09:54.59 | enouf | koskoz: oh, you pastebinned? i missed it |
| 09:55.16 | enouf | thanks liable |
| 09:55.18 | bolt-work | Shamim: doesn't sound very installed then... dpkg -l | grep openbox |
| 09:55.25 | themill | hifi: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 09:55.30 | Nibbl | hifi: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 09:55.31 | Nibbl | .. |
| 09:55.50 | themill | Nibbl: there's an odd echo in here. Have you noticed it too? |
| 09:55.53 | liable | dont blame me for your lack of vision! |
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| 09:55.56 | Shamim | ii openbox 3.3-2.1 standards compliant, fast, light-weight, ext |
| 09:55.57 | enouf | themill: good catch |
| 09:55.57 | Nibbl | seems so :D |
| 09:56.09 | hifi | Shamim: uh, drop the -session |
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| 09:56.21 | themill | enouf: and this is *before* I have coffee and wake up :P |
| 09:57.02 | Shamim | hifi: thanks |
| 09:57.07 | Shamim | hifi:worked |
| 09:57.19 | hifi | doesn't 3.3 package have the session wrapper? |
| 09:57.32 | hifi | or was it added in 3.4 |
| 09:57.40 | enouf | themill: i'm just so happy that my stupid ISP got done upgrading the modem firmware - and i have internet once again - also pretty happy not to worry too much about my attacks from china :-P http://pastebin.ca/raw/1238494 |
| 09:57.41 | Shamim | hifi: i was following http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox |
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| 09:58.08 | puff | Anybody really familiar with generating SSL certs and keys? I'm trying to a) regenerate my SSL keys and b) in the process add several domains as aliases. |
| 09:58.35 | enouf | hifi: did you run it as root/sudo ? |
| 09:58.44 | liable | i believe mr google is knowledgable in this field |
| 09:59.10 | Corwin | puff: I've done it before. It was simple enough that I remember almost nothing except it was easy |
| 09:59.15 | enouf | hifi: also, in ~/.bashrc, find the 3 commented lines saying /etc/bash_completion , and remove the comments |
| 09:59.30 | click170 | puff, have you read the man page for openssl? |
| 09:59.39 | enouf | hifi: copy that into a /root/.bashrc you create |
| 09:59.52 | puff | Corwin: Good 'nuff. Google suggests subjectAltName, so if it's non-tricky I should be able to figure it out. |
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| 09:59.55 | Corwin | puff: you do need a different IP for each domin |
| 10:00.10 | hifi | enouf: k, I don't need it :) |
| 10:00.19 | puff | Corwin: Ah, no, that's not what I'm looking into. |
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| 10:00.47 | puff | Corwin: I've read that you can set up domain aliases, when you control the whole box. |
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| 10:01.16 | puff | Corwin: So I just need to generate a self-signed cert that includes as aliases all of the domains that I want to be able to use via SSL. |
| 10:01.25 | Corwin | SSL can't use name based hosting though |
| 10:01.31 | puff | Corwin: Problem is, the article that mentioned this option didn't explain how. |
| 10:01.42 | Corwin | It doesn;t really work that way I don't think |
| 10:02.01 | puff | Corwin: correct, it's not using name-based hosting, it's just listing all potential domain names as aliases in the cert, so the browser doesn't freak. |
| 10:02.08 | Corwin | the SSL request comes in encrypted so a cert for that IP has to declare the domain it's for |
| 10:02.26 | puff | Corwin: Right. |
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| 10:03.00 | Corwin | Are you sure you can include multiple domain names in one cert? |
| 10:03.21 | puff | click170: Oddly enough, I did read the openssl man page, and it doesn't address this. |
| 10:03.59 | Corwin | FYI There is a plugin for Tbird to make it shut up about the cert being for the wrong domain. |
| 10:04.00 | enouf | themill: just looking at that xml-catalog bug - what the hell is /etc/xml/catalog all about anyways? it's purpose is? |
| 10:04.11 | enouf | (note - me loathes xml) |
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| 10:05.19 | themill | enouf: it's a look up table for entity (cross)-references. http://xmlsoft.org/catalog.html |
| 10:05.33 | enouf | looks |
| 10:07.26 | Corwin | Is anyone runnign E17 / ecomorph ? |
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| 10:07.42 | Lirezh_off | hi |
| 10:07.57 | Lirezh_off | where can i find an apt source for woody ? |
| 10:08.15 | enouf | themill: interesting - curious, do the 'udi' in say lshal output work that way? udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_alsa_sequencer' |
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| 10:08.42 | bolt-work | Lirezh_off: why woody? |
| 10:09.10 | puff | Corwin: Hm, I know exactly why SSL virtual hosting is not doable, but I would swear I came across an article on oreilly that mentioned domain aliases in certs as an option. |
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| 10:09.14 | Lirezh_off | because glibc is such a great "compatible" library. i'm developing for linux systems about as old as woody |
| 10:09.25 | Lirezh_off | i need an older distri, and just want a deboostrap to woody in a chroot |
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| 10:09.34 | Corwin | puff: http://www.whichssl.com/mdc.html |
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| 10:10.04 | puff | It may be I was mis-reading a reference to wildcard certs (e.g. *.foo.com being used to provide ssl for both bar.foo.com and bat.foo.com). |
| 10:10.14 | Corwin | I'm not sure how to create those certs though, you may only be able to buy them as I don;t think it follows a real standard |
| 10:10.50 | Corwin | puff: I would LOVE to do exactly what you're talking about with 1 IP and multiple domains |
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| 10:11.11 | puff | Corwin: Well, it has to follow a standard for the browsers to understand it :-) |
| 10:11.17 | bolt-work | Lirezh_off: well, unless someone has a better idea, i'd check the large mirror sites to see if any of them still have it. and make a local repository asap |
| 10:11.42 | Corwin | puff: http://ithacafreesoftware.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=584&sid=d88290b02d9344c66f5b6d46f3c38a55 |
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| 10:12.04 | puff | Corwin: http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/VhostTaskForce#A4.Way.3AMultiplecertificatesinthecertificatechain.2BAC8-graph |
| 10:12.32 | Lirezh_off | I'm browsing mirrors, they all removed woody i think;/ |
| 10:12.33 | puff | Bingo, subjectAltName. |
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| 10:14.09 | jelly-home | Lirezh_off: archive.debian.org |
| 10:14.26 | smhar | greetings |
| 10:14.26 | bolt-work | !tell Lirezh_off about woody |
| 10:14.35 | Corwin | puff: cool, thanks for asking about that! |
| 10:14.39 | bolt-work | Lirezh_off: dpkg has a link. might work |
| 10:15.23 | puff | Corwin: Like I said, I remembered coming across the solution, I was just looking for how to implement it. |
| 10:15.37 | Lirezh_off | thanks i will try |
| 10:15.44 | jelly-home | bolt-work: http://archive.debian.org/README |
| 10:15.45 | Lirezh_off | it's crazy that debian removes its own history |
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| 10:16.07 | smhar | I have a problem with my lenny system, it has been up for almost 2 weeks, where it got updated every night, today I noticed very slow performance so I thought maybe we need a good old windows style reboot, now my stem does not boot . |
| 10:16.46 | smhar | kernel boots normally until it reaches Reloading OpenBSD and it stops |
| 10:16.49 | bolt-work | Lirezh_off: http://archive.debian.org/README |
| 10:16.51 | jelly-home | Lirezh_off: mirroring releases that no one uses all over the world isn't that sane either |
| 10:17.04 | Corwin | smhar: can you boot into an older kernel in grub? |
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| 10:17.37 | logd | hi since i wanna do a fresh install of debian with xfce version - but i'm using a custom kernel that includes the drivers for all my peripherals and i'm to lazy to recompile again could i : installa debian on the new hard drive - copy the old kernel image and its lib/modules/xxxxxxxx and expect it to work ? then delay recompile to future time ? |
| 10:17.45 | enouf | themill: anyway - thanks for the link (nice mess this xml crap is, and gnome seems to love it :-P) |
| 10:17.56 | Lirezh_off | i'd say more people use woody and sarge than etch and sid |
| 10:18.19 | bolt-work | logd: you don't need a new install to get xfc |
| 10:18.21 | bolt-work | e |
| 10:18.21 | Lirezh_off | forcing them to upgrade won't help debians progress for sure |
| 10:18.37 | logd | yes but i'm not reinstaling for that |
| 10:18.51 | logd | i0m reainstalling with that it's a bit different ;) |
| 10:19.22 | Corwin | After 6 years I reinstalled debian once, and that was to go 64bit |
| 10:19.23 | logd | the only thing i need to know is if i can pass my kernel i'm runningon debian r1 |
| 10:19.28 | logd | to a debian r4 |
| 10:19.59 | logd | both are debian 4 |
| 10:20.10 | jelly-home | logd: sure |
| 10:20.15 | smhar | Corwin: I am running 2.6.26-1-686 and I also have 2.6.25-2.686 and it has the same problem ! |
| 10:20.15 | logd | ok ty |
| 10:20.17 | logd | ;) |
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| 10:21.30 | smhar | I noticed in both kernels when I alt-ctrl-del a message saying winbinds exiting or something |
| 10:21.34 | Zvpun | I am looking for a small and simple ftp server. I want to grand a friend access for uploading some files, afterwards i want to remove the server, any hints? |
| 10:22.05 | Corwin | smhar: have you googled the text it locks on? Are you sure it's locking and not just hanging for 5 - 10 minutes? Can you hit Alt-F2 and get a console? |
| 10:22.19 | joltcan | Zvpun: Give him an account, tell him to use scp/winsc and then remove the account instead? |
| 10:22.34 | Zvpun | joltcan: Nees to be ftp |
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| 10:23.02 | Zvpun | *needs |
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| 10:23.58 | petemc | proftpd works |
| 10:23.58 | smhar | Corwin: no google yet. will do that. alt-fn is working but it just showing a empty screen as nothing is loaded yet. I have waited for 2 minutes .. and thought it was very long. never had to wait that much, I will give it more time |
| 10:24.20 | Corwin | smhar: I meant ctrl-aklt-F2 |
| 10:24.21 | joltcan | I'm using pure-ftpd, but it's not exactly the easiest. However I think it installs with pam as default, so that might work (just add a user) |
| 10:24.26 | joltcan | Zvpun: ^^^ |
| 10:25.43 | smhar | Corwin: I meant ctrl-alt-f1, to 9 |
| 10:25.48 | puff | Corwin: http://techblog.lucidillusion.org/2007/10/13/ssl-certificates-with-dns-aliases/ |
| 10:26.13 | puff | Corwin: That page seems to say you need to be not just self-signing but running your own CA. |
| 10:26.14 | Corwin | smhar: :) at least we know what the other person means |
| 10:26.44 | smhar | Corwin: :-) |
| 10:27.21 | smhar | Corwin: the message actually tells that the loading of OpenBSD is Done.. I do not know what is next in Q that takes this time! |
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| 10:27.46 | Corwin | puff: cool, thanks |
| 10:28.19 | puff | Corwin: I'm still sorta at the fumbling around stage with SSL certs, myself. |
| 10:28.44 | puff | Hm: Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long |
| 10:28.59 | Corwin | smhar: googling on hanging and that text may give you the answer. How far into the boot process does this happen? |
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| 10:31.46 | tureman | I notice that under /usr/local the directories have mode drwxrwsr-x. Why does the "s" need to be there for group access? /usr/local is group=staff. What's the meaning of that? |
| 10:31.48 | smhar | Corwin: it loads a couple of drivers, cups distcc hp printer etc then OpenBSD ... Done and that is it |
| 10:32.01 | enouf | smhar: if that isn't the OS, it;s likely /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 10:32.54 | enouf | !groups |
| 10:32.54 | dpkg | groups is, like, file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 10:33.36 | Corwin | smhar: What video card do you have? |
| 10:33.41 | enouf | tureman: likely for subdir inheritance |
| 10:34.22 | tureman | enouf: will it hurt if I change that permition? |
| 10:34.23 | enouf | !permissions |
| 10:34.23 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 10:34.28 | Corwin | smhar: Are you using SATA, possibly a Jmicron controller? |
| 10:35.05 | enouf | tureman: well, i wouldn't unless it's an issue, however the pkg management system leaves /usr/local/ alone |
| 10:35.05 | erawfish | smhar: pastebin "ls -al /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 10:35.11 | smhar | Corwin: not remember, some motherboard builtin chip that worked fine before. the boot doesn't reach to that stage though |
| 10:35.40 | enouf | smhar: tried single (recovery) mode yet? |
| 10:36.10 | enouf | smhar: and, are you sure your net is up/working? |
| 10:36.59 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to do a sub-second sleep in a bash script? |
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| 10:37.22 | smhar | Corwin: yes it is a SATA hd not sure about the controller |
| 10:37.26 | Hash9 | jamesstanley: sleep 0.1 ? |
| 10:37.27 | tureman | enouf: I see. I will check more to see if there's anything specific that needs that setgid bit. |
| 10:37.35 | jamesstanley | i doubt it, but i'll try |
| 10:37.35 | smhar | erawfish: how, if I can not access it? |
| 10:37.39 | jamesstanley | :O |
| 10:37.41 | jamesstanley | that works |
| 10:37.45 | jamesstanley | i always assumed it expected an int |
| 10:37.48 | jamesstanley | thanks Hash9 |
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| 10:38.00 | Corwin | smhar: Do you have a knoppix disk? |
| 10:38.14 | enouf | tureman: did you see the file dpkg pointed to? i glance over that from time to time |
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| 10:38.53 | enouf | tureman: "staff Allows users to add local modifications to the system (/usr/local, /home) without needing root privileges. Compare with group 'adm', which is more related to monitoring/security" |
| 10:39.17 | smhar | enouf: now trying single mode, and the net is working.. I am connected through the same wired lan now in my laptop... |
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| 10:39.31 | smhar | Corwin: will dig out one now |
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| 10:40.03 | Corwin | smhar: if it boots, mount your HD rw and chroot over to it |
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| 10:40.20 | tureman | enouf: I am checking with what dpkg says to look at. But I've been having funny activity lately that's why I'm checking |
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| 10:40.51 | tureman | enouf: I found some files in /usr/local/bin/ and /usr/local/sbin/ that dealt with ssh and ssh-keygen |
| 10:41.00 | enouf | smhar: check out what /etc/default/rcS says for |
| 10:41.02 | enouf | # before system startup is complete (as soon as inetd is started) DELAYLOGIN=yes |
| 10:41.21 | tureman | enouf: and they were meant to override the normal programs that lie in /usr/bin and /bin |
| 10:41.46 | smhar | enouf: is there a way to step through the boot process like in windows (sic)? |
| 10:41.50 | enouf | tureman: well, does your $PATH have /usr/local/ prior to others? |
| 10:42.08 | JyZyXEL | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 10:42.09 | JyZyXEL | aplay: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 10:42.15 | JyZyXEL | how do you see whos using it? |
| 10:42.18 | enouf | smhar: i have no idea what you mean - you want to ssh in? or hook up a serial terminal? |
| 10:42.45 | themill | enouf: I know little about the random xml snippets that get passed around for IPC these days. They're pretty scary. And rewriting the windows registry in xml (i.e. gconf) has fail written all over it. |
| 10:42.59 | enouf | JyZyXEL: lsof | egrep 'arts|pulse|esd|flash' as root |
| 10:43.07 | enouf | JyZyXEL: fuser -m /dev/snd/* |
| 10:43.22 | smhar | enouf: in win there was a boot option to step through the boot process one line at a time and confirm loading each driver/program |
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| 10:43.41 | enouf | themill: well said \o/ |
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| 10:44.10 | enouf | smhar: install windows then |
| 10:44.13 | enouf | :-P |
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| 10:44.58 | smhar | enouf: WHAT??!! NEVER |
| 10:45.14 | themill | initscripts for RHEL support that. nfc about debian. |
| 10:45.42 | smhar | enouf: but it is a good feature to add to linux if it is not there yet |
| 10:45.52 | tureman | enouf: yes it does. Normally the /usr/local/bin path entries are before the /usr/bin/ ones. |
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| 10:46.53 | enouf | tureman: indeed - just checking if you (or someone) altered yours |
| 10:46.57 | themill | dpkg dbugs 484841 |
| 10:47.01 | dpkg | #484841:N[tech-ctte] Should /usr/local be writable by group staff? (); Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:57:12 UTC [] |
| 10:47.22 | enouf | tureman: is you user part of staff? |
| 10:47.44 | tureman | enouf: no. No user is. |
| 10:47.48 | themill | dpkg dbugs 299007 |
| 10:47.51 | dpkg | #299007:W[debian-policy] base-files: Insecure PATH in /root/.profile (wontfix); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:48:05 UTC [] |
| 10:47.53 | JyZyXEL | enouf http://pastebin.com/m42df9a22 |
| 10:47.57 | themill | ^^ the original bug |
| 10:49.21 | smhar | enouf: erawfish Corwin: finished booting in single mode. it tooke some time becaust of the fsck after the several reboots.. now what? |
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| 10:50.24 | Corwin | smhar: The first thing I would do is note what was AFTER the openBSD line on bootup |
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| 10:50.36 | emilien | i know this is only partly debian related but has anyone got any idea on making windows usb installer in debain ? |
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| 10:50.57 | emilien | there seem to be only windows tools to do it |
| 10:51.46 | enouf | JyZyXEL: hrm .. odd .. is alsa-oss installed? You could pgrep the appname - or better ps auxf or pstree -lunap and look for the PIDs fuser listed |
| 10:51.47 | smhar | Corwin: never done that.. so this will be a good learning exercise, where to start? which file to check? |
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| 10:52.05 | JyZyXEL | enouf ill just kill everything |
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| 10:52.32 | enouf | JyZyXEL: lsmod | egrep 'snd_pcm_oss|snd_mixer_oss' |
| 10:52.43 | Corwin | smhar: /var/log/dmesg |
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| 10:53.34 | JyZyXEL | enouf i think it might work now after i just killed a bunch of random shit |
| 10:53.38 | enouf | smhar: might be the / FS needed a fsck for some reason |
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| 10:54.16 | enouf | smhar: man fstab - and setup your fscks more often - see tune2fs for ext2/3 FSs |
| 10:54.28 | enouf | JyZyXEL: sometimes does the trick ;-) |
| 10:54.43 | enouf | JyZyXEL: restarting the DE session will too sometimes |
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| 10:54.59 | smhar | Corwin: last line in dmesg is knfsd |
| 10:55.24 | smhar | enouf: it did during booting in single.. will try to boot normal now |
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| 10:56.35 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't any WM support running shit with root privs |
| 10:56.47 | JyZyXEL | i fucking hate to open a console and run some program with root there |
| 10:56.53 | JyZyXEL | then you gotta leave the console open |
| 10:56.55 | enouf | smhar: did you have a power failure recently? or maybe you pulled the plug, because the cron.daily started at it's once-a-day schedule and freaked you out from HDD activity? |
| 10:56.58 | JyZyXEL | and if you close it the program closes |
| 10:57.02 | rvsjoen | any easy way to download a package and all its dependencies without installing them ? |
| 10:57.08 | JyZyXEL | then you just end up with these useless fucking consoles |
| 10:57.19 | enouf | JyZyXEL: gksu, kdesu, sux |
| 10:57.49 | smhar | enouf: not know about the power. I do leave the computer sometimes :-) |
| 10:57.50 | themill | JyZyXEL: wtf? look at gksudo or gksu or kdesu to name but a few. Many/most admin-related menu entries will use them by default in KDE. |
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| 10:58.29 | JyZyXEL | lol 7 years and this is the first time i hear about this shit |
| 10:58.34 | enouf | yeah, the Control Center in kde gives you that Admin button on certain areas |
| 10:59.02 | themill | JyZyXEL: also, if you're running GUI programs from the console, then use & to background the job so you get your terminal back and then you can run them all from the same terminal anyway (not "lots of different terminals"). |
| 10:59.18 | enouf | right |
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| 10:59.24 | JyZyXEL | themill no don't do that |
| 10:59.24 | enouf | then use 'jobs' |
| 10:59.31 | JyZyXEL | the terminall will fill with debug info |
| 10:59.34 | enouf | 'help jobs' |
| 10:59.40 | enouf | use redirection |
| 10:59.48 | JyZyXEL | and i can never remember how the fuck you pipe ALL the shit to /dev/null |
| 10:59.54 | enouf | haha |
| 10:59.59 | JyZyXEL | its something really stupid like >&2&1>/dev/null |
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| 11:00.03 | JyZyXEL | something really fucked up |
| 11:00.14 | JyZyXEL | its just impossible to remember how to do it |
| 11:00.26 | JyZyXEL | like you gotta pipe both stderr and stdout to /dev/null |
| 11:00.28 | enouf | for stdout only 2>/dev/null - for both stdin/out 2>&1>/dev/null |
| 11:00.39 | enouf | or mught try just &>/dev/null |
| 11:00.46 | JyZyXEL | bash and their syntax sux big time |
| 11:00.50 | enouf | i suck |
| 11:00.54 | JyZyXEL | i suck to |
| 11:00.58 | enouf | i mean stdout + stderr |
| 11:01.02 | enouf | not stdin |
| 11:01.11 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if that c shell is better |
| 11:01.18 | JyZyXEL | csh i think |
| 11:01.30 | enouf | if you know c, why not? |
| 11:01.33 | erawfish | 11hmmm... codeweavers today gives out free copies of crossover pro |
| 11:01.45 | JyZyXEL | i have to look into it |
| 11:01.51 | JyZyXEL | im so done with bash |
| 11:02.01 | enouf | look at zsh too - though, that's not c, is it |
| 11:02.25 | enouf | hurls ksh into the mix |
| 11:02.27 | themill | erawfish: if you use it, then pay for it anyway and support wine development. |
| 11:03.12 | erawfish | I want to look at it. never ever used it |
| 11:03.31 | enouf | erawfish: will it work if i grab a copy now and want to try it in say 6 months from now? |
| 11:03.38 | erawfish | gaming on linux is usually challengning. so I want to know how far along they are |
| 11:03.44 | erawfish | and I didn't tell the to hand out free copies |
| 11:04.02 | erawfish | enouf: read the website. normal version, free and supported |
| 11:04.02 | enouf | isn't that Office related software? |
| 11:04.12 | erawfish | of course the site is swapped |
| 11:04.15 | smhar | ok.. I noticed something in grub.. the booting menu says kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=UUID=7dcfc4ac- it is actually a long string for root |
| 11:04.20 | erawfish | office and gaming or so they say. but: OT |
| 11:04.35 | erawfish | smhar: that's fine |
| 11:04.44 | erawfish | smhar: why don't you do what I asked you? |
| 11:04.56 | enouf | smhar: yeah - new installs fell into the *buntu syndrome |
| 11:05.08 | enouf | and a lead DD of the installer doesn't like it much |
| 11:05.15 | erawfish | it's non obvious but a good thing still enouf |
| 11:05.27 | enouf | i think it sucks ass |
| 11:05.29 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:05.50 | erawfish | if you change partitions in any way, it really helps |
| 11:06.19 | smhar | erawfish: oops.. I overlooked that.. will boot in single and do that |
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| 11:07.10 | enouf | erawfish: what did you tell him? i don't see anything |
| 11:07.11 | erawfish | smhar: I never ever asked you about single mode |
| 11:07.19 | erawfish | smhar: you read wrong |
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| 11:07.38 | erawfish | enouf: 32minutes ago. he ignored me |
| 11:07.54 | enouf | erawfish: ahh .. i see now |
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| 11:08.18 | ringo999 | what is the recommended way of installing java 1.6 on debian? |
| 11:08.45 | alcohol | good afternoon all |
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| 11:08.57 | enouf | !tell ringo999 about java |
| 11:09.17 | enouf | dpkg: ping |
| 11:09.32 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 11:09.34 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:10.25 | ringo999 | enouf: thx |
| 11:10.28 | enouf | dpkg: get the lead out! :-P |
| 11:10.28 | dpkg | no idea, enouf |
| 11:10.35 | smhar | erawfish: I know, but I can only boot in single mode |
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| 11:13.14 | Temisto | Hello |
| 11:13.29 | Temisto | I have problems to get FLASH working after last update.... |
| 11:14.19 | Temisto | I have tried to install flashplugin-nonfree, flashplayer-mozilla... |
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| 11:14.41 | user_ | hello! have problem with mozilla-mplayer plugin in debian. Is not working and not showing up on about:plugins page when running iceweasel as normal user, but working when running iceweasel as root. |
| 11:15.01 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! what can i do if lenny during setup just wouln't recon my network interface card? |
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| 11:15.38 | mhymn | Temisto: there is one in debian-multimedia that works well |
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| 11:16.17 | enouf | user_: what are the perms on ~/.mozilla? |
| 11:16.57 | Temisto | gonna try :D |
| 11:16.58 | enouf | user_: i mean user:group |
| 11:17.19 | enouf | user_: if not root:root or something, but username:usergroup that's ok |
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| 11:17.44 | enouf | remoteCTRL: do you know what chip is on your NIC? |
| 11:17.54 | user_ | enouf: yes, owner is user:user |
| 11:18.23 | Temisto | debian-multimedia not found... :/ |
| 11:18.23 | remoteCTRL | enouf: it is an intel 82567LM gigabit card |
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| 11:19.02 | enouf | user_: i think the issue has to do with a missing symlink from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins into somewhere in your ~/.mozilla/../../ |
| 11:19.23 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hrm .. wired then i take it? |
| 11:19.26 | mhymn | !tell Temisto about dmm |
| 11:19.36 | remoteCTRL | enouf: aye |
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| 11:19.51 | Temisto | here the plugin of flash does not appears on "about:plugin" |
| 11:20.23 | user_ | enouf: hmm, maybe i should look for something like this in /root/.mozilla and do same in ~/.mozilla? |
| 11:20.36 | enouf | remoteCTRL: you;re using the Lenny netinstall ? |
| 11:20.50 | enouf | user_: possible .. |
| 11:21.32 | joneal | Hey |
| 11:21.37 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i tryed but that for obvious reasons does not make much sense so currently i am installing the full version and skipped the network configuration |
| 11:21.40 | sandman | Is there a way to log in securely with VNC, other than just piping it through an SSH tunnel? |
| 11:21.52 | enouf | user_: maybe you can ask in #mplayer .. try "dpkg -L mozilla-mplayer-plugin | grep doc" |
| 11:21.59 | d-b | sandman: why ... |
| 11:22.01 | enouf | and read the README, and stuff |
| 11:22.05 | smhar | which pastebin service allows to upload a text file in text mode, because the content is too big to write and I do not have X or mouse running now |
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| 11:22.26 | enouf | user_: make sure the pkgname is correct when using dpkg -L |
| 11:22.26 | puff | Corwin: Gah, this is a tail-chasing process. |
| 11:22.29 | d-b | sandman: can you think of any other methods for remotely connecting to a computer and accessing resources on it securely ? ... thereis openssh, openvpn etc. |
| 11:22.39 | d-b | yes. but why... |
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| 11:22.59 | user_ | enouf: i did asked #mplayer . they told me this is not theirs problem :( |
| 11:23.05 | enouf | remoteCTRL: it's possible it's too new for even .26 kernel support? |
| 11:23.09 | mhymn | !tell smhar about pastebinpipe |
| 11:23.17 | puff | Corwin: So, since this box is using ispconfig, it appears I have to generate the Certificate Signing Request (csr) from within ispconfig,then download it and save it as server.csr and sign it. |
| 11:23.39 | puff | Corwin: Does the server.key matter at this point? |
| 11:23.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: well taht is what i am afraid off: its a dell precision m4400 and its brandnew |
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| 11:24.50 | enouf | remoteCTRL: once installed does lspci spit out many "unknown" ? if so, it'll help if you could update-pciids, but hard without any net - although you could grab the list from pciids.sf.net and place it at /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 11:25.41 | enouf | remoteCTRL: well, getting the vendorID/deviceID will help hunt it down |
| 11:25.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: humm sounds interesting, as soon as i have finished the install i'll give it a shot and report back |
| 11:25.56 | enouf | remoteCTRL: output looks like [8086:4444] |
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| 11:26.20 | puff | What does the crt in server.crt referto? |
| 11:26.21 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ok i seein that case gimme a lil more time i'll be finished soon |
| 11:26.36 | smhar | mhymn: that is even more confusing |
| 11:26.39 | enouf | remoteCTRL: sure - take your time - others are always here as well ;-) |
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| 11:27.05 | user_ | enouf: there is nothing useful in docs |
| 11:27.15 | enouf | smhar: pastebin.ca for one |
| 11:27.17 | mhymn | smhar: Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 11:27.21 | remoteCTRL | enouf: yepp thanks so far:) |
| 11:27.27 | user_ | enouf: btw, gmplayer is playing videos ok |
| 11:27.51 | enouf | user_: i don';t use bloated browser + plugins just mplayer straight |
| 11:27.52 | user_ | enouf: i mean from user's(non-privileged) account |
| 11:27.57 | enouf | so not sure |
| 11:28.02 | puff | That's annoying; searched wikipedia for crt, gota result saying 'in computing, the file extension .crt"...which links to the general SSL page, which doesn't define CRT. |
| 11:28.04 | xenonex | hello, do you know tool to genereate friendly reports from netflow data? |
| 11:28.52 | enouf | cacert.org? google define:crt ? :-P |
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| 11:29.00 | smhar | erawfish: ok.. ls -al /etc/rc2.d/ is in http://pastebin.ca/1238559 |
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| 11:29.00 | bolt-work | puff: vaccuum tube with an anode, a cathode and a combination of said parts which makes rays |
| 11:29.02 | K|NgGh0sT | I had to xfs_repair my fs and now when I go to delete the items in the Trash Bin it crashes the fs and I have to repair it again just to mount it. Anyway to fix this? |
| 11:29.08 | enouf | haha |
| 11:29.45 | enouf | maybe just rm the dir? or mv it 1st to rename it? |
| 11:30.25 | user_ | enouf: i did mistake when installing mozilla-mplayer i forgot to close iceweasel. Maybe this causes mplayer plugin is not working? |
| 11:30.47 | enouf | user_: maybe - again, i don't use either :-/ |
| 11:31.04 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, when I try to mv or rm it crashes aswell |
| 11:31.06 | Lagbolt | user_, does mplayerplugin show up in "about:plugins"? |
| 11:31.18 | enouf | user_: i use something like /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 11:31.20 | Lagbolt | K|NgGh0sT, prob should back up your drive before it gets worse |
| 11:31.28 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: ouch |
| 11:31.34 | user_ | Lagbolt: from user's accout - no, from root account - yes |
| 11:32.02 | enouf | Lagbolt: i think he said no, but iceweasel running as root works - IIRC |
| 11:32.11 | Lagbolt | wierd |
| 11:32.35 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, ya :/ |
| 11:32.46 | user_ | Lagbolt: i feel, than my user account should to be in some group for playing video in browser |
| 11:32.49 | Lagbolt | user_, try moving .mozilla to .mozilla.old and see if there is a problem with configuration. what version of iceweasel? |
| 11:33.05 | K|NgGh0sT | and having to xfs_repair -L scares me |
| 11:33.39 | user_ | Lagbolt: I already tried to move .mozilla, but problem still here. Iceweasel 3.0.3 |
| 11:33.42 | enouf | user_: what does 'groups' show when run as username? |
| 11:33.44 | puff | Corwin: Fwiw, I just tried doing a simple self-signed cert for two different domains, without using a CA and it didn't work, only shows one domain. |
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| 11:34.12 | enouf | user_: you should be in audio cdrom video plugdev netdev maybe and others |
| 11:34.18 | enouf | at the least |
| 11:34.30 | user_ | enouf: user dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev |
| 11:34.49 | enouf | normal |
| 11:35.10 | enouf | you could add 'adm' which helps when viewing logs as non-root in /var/log |
| 11:35.12 | Corwin | puff: that sucks, and idea why only one is valid? |
| 11:35.16 | Lagbolt | user_, can you pastebin output from "dpkg -l | grep mplayer" |
| 11:35.32 | enouf | get used to using sudo too i would say, but that's just me |
| 11:35.33 | user_ | Lagbolt: ok, sec |
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| 11:36.10 | Lagbolt | user_, have you ever edited any of the settings for mplayerplugins in either home/user/.mplayer or in /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf? |
| 11:37.03 | user_ | Lagbolt: no, never edited. This is output: http://pastebin.com/m778fe71f |
| 11:37.53 | K|NgGh0sT | ooo I was able to mv the trash bin now how do I delete it |
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| 11:38.02 | Lagbolt | user_, i use the mozilla-mplayer from the deb multimedia. you are using a diff version |
| 11:38.07 | Lagbolt | maybe there is a bug? |
| 11:38.28 | Lagbolt | or is .55-1 from debmulti unstable? |
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| 11:39.34 | user_ | Lagbolt: hmm, i'm not sure from what source is. how to check? |
| 11:39.48 | Lagbolt | user_, apt-cache policy mozilla-mplayer |
| 11:40.28 | Lagbolt | also do apt-cache policy mplayer |
| 11:40.56 | user_ | Lagbolt: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 11:41.16 | user_ | Lagbolt: will try to install from debmulti |
| 11:41.18 | Lagbolt | yeah, doesnt seem like it should be a problem being that it works as root |
| 11:41.19 | enouf | Lagbolt: Version: 1:3.55-0.0 is dmm sid |
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| 11:41.30 | Lagbolt | but you might try getting mplayer and mozilla-plugin from debmulti |
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| 11:41.48 | enouf | Version: 3.55-1.1 is debian repos, afaict |
| 11:42.09 | Lagbolt | my mplayer is 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 and mozilla-mplayer is 1:3.55-0.0 from debmulti testing |
| 11:42.10 | enouf | !judd versions mozilla-mplayer |
| 11:42.17 | enouf | judd versions mozilla-mplayer |
| 11:42.18 | judd | enouf: mozilla-mplayer: 3.31+main-1 (etch) 3.55-1.1 (lenny) 3.55-1.1 (sid) 1:3.40-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1:3.55-0.0 (lenny-multimedia) 1:3.55-0.0 (sid-multimedia) |
| 11:42.38 | enouf | nice one judd ;-) |
| 11:42.41 | Lagbolt | nice! |
| 11:42.45 | Lagbolt | judd versions mplayer |
| 11:42.46 | judd | Lagbolt: mplayer: 1.0~rc1-12etch3 (etch) 1.0~rc1-12etch5 (etch-security) 1.0~rc2-17+lenny1 (lenny) 1.0~rc2-18 (sid) 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 (etch-multimedia) 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 11:43.06 | enouf | !stew++ |
| 11:43.32 | Lagbolt | user_, try that out. you might want to purge the mozilla-mplayer you have now, and maybe even the mplayer before you do it to make sure config files are not a problem |
| 11:44.05 | user_ | Lagbolt: apt-get purge mozilla-mplayer mplayer? |
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| 11:45.28 | Zoup | do you know any radtest like command for ldap ? |
| 11:45.28 | enouf | user_: --purge remove |
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| 11:45.40 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how do you clean after dh-make |
| 11:45.42 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 11:46.11 | sandman | Say, why is the pvpgn package marked as "contrib", when it has no non-free dependencies? |
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| 11:48.02 | OpenTokix | sandman: free packages which require contrib, non-free packages or packages which are not in our archive at all for compilation or execution, and |
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| 11:48.27 | biggi_mat | Hello there. I have this small issue here: http://pastebin.com/m34c094b5 |
| 11:48.36 | OpenTokix | sandman: since you need battle.net-software to use it at all |
| 11:48.46 | biggi_mat | Would anyone by any chance know what's up? |
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| 11:49.46 | remoteCTRL | enouf: still there buddy? |
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| 11:50.46 | enouf | kind of remoteCTRL |
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| 11:51.00 | remoteCTRL | enouf: lspci gives me Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) |
| 11:51.02 | enouf | but i'm chilly and hungry |
| 11:51.13 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ok - great - do lspci -nn |
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| 11:51.22 | remoteCTRL | enouf: oops anything i can change about that?*g* |
| 11:51.26 | sandman | OpenTokix: So if it's free software that's designed _for_ non-free software, said free software would be in contrib? |
| 11:51.30 | enouf | !tell remoteCTRL -about which driver |
| 11:51.36 | smhar | erawfish: so did you have a look at my: ls -al /etc/rc2.d/ is in http://pastebin.ca/1238559 |
| 11:51.46 | OpenTokix | sandman: yeah |
| 11:51.59 | sandman | OpenTokix: I see. |
| 11:52.02 | OpenTokix | sandman: it has to comply with DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidlines) |
| 11:52.14 | OpenTokix | sandman: but if it depends on non-free - not provided in the debian repos, it will be in contrib |
| 11:52.34 | sandman | OpenTokix: Right. Except, that pvpgn doesn't actually require non-free software to run. |
| 11:52.37 | mhymn | gives enouf a hot piece of pizza with drink |
| 11:52.46 | sandman | OpenTokix: Just that non-free software happens to also use pvpgn |
| 11:52.49 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ya that kenshi muto guy really rocks |
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| 11:53.11 | sandman | OpenTokix: pvpgn basically is a replacement for Battle.net |
| 11:53.13 | OpenTokix | sandman: yes |
| 11:53.15 | enouf | remoteCTRL: indeed - show me output of lspci -nn for the NIC ;-) |
| 11:53.20 | OpenTokix | sandman: I noticed, read the page about it |
| 11:53.47 | enouf | tips mhymn |
| 11:53.55 | enouf | 20%! |
| 11:54.00 | enouf | :-p |
| 11:54.04 | mhymn | :D |
| 11:54.07 | OpenTokix | sandman: not like its a bigge to use contrib |
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| 11:55.46 | FR33L4NC3 | how do i start 'debian live' from cd? |
| 11:56.40 | biggi_mat | You insert the CD and set your computer to boot from CD in BIOS |
| 11:56.48 | enouf | !tell FR33L4NC3 -about live |
| 11:56.50 | erawfish | smhar: any S20 link after the S20openbsd-inetd -> ../init.d/openbsd-inetd might cause the freeze. prime suspect might be the powernow daemon |
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| 11:57.32 | biggi_mat | Say enouf - would you !tell me something too? Something like http://pastebin.com/m34c094b5 ? :) |
| 11:57.37 | erawfish | smhar: and of course SELinux. |
| 11:57.39 | FR33L4NC3 | enouf: "http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/" = URL NOT FOUND |
| 11:57.54 | enouf | FR33L4NC3: oh well |
| 11:57.56 | erawfish | smhar: and your box is awfully cluttered, I bet you don't need half of the shit there, or even know what each is |
| 11:58.01 | remoteCTRL | enouf: that would be the following: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 11:58.31 | FR33L4NC3 | but is it possible to start 'Debian Live' from a Debian install CD? |
| 11:58.37 | enouf | remoteCTRL: modprobe e1000e |
| 11:58.40 | enouf | ~$ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 11:58.40 | enouf | e1000e |
| 11:58.48 | remoteCTRL | enouf: which returns perfectly nothing at kmuto's... |
| 11:58.56 | remoteCTRL | enouf: sec |
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| 11:59.07 | enouf | remoteCTRL: please report it now to help his site db ;-) |
| 11:59.47 | remoteCTRL | enouf: done |
| 11:59.50 | remoteCTRL | both i mean |
| 11:59.56 | mhymn | FR33L4NC3: live is live! put the cd in and boot your pc with it, that's all |
| 12:00.13 | enouf | biggi_mat: hrm, sometimes those GPG key ones are a bit tough to resolve |
| 12:00.30 | enouf | !gpgv |
| 12:00.30 | dpkg | methinks unknown error executing gpgv is what you will see from apt-get update if your clock is really wrong. Set it to approximately the right time using date -s "current time" (ask me about <date> for the current time if you don't know it!) and then apt-get update. Ask me about <ntp> for a better, more permanent solution. |
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| 12:00.32 | biggi_mat | I noticed, yes |
| 12:00.41 | enouf | biggi_mat: oh.. look up ;-) |
| 12:00.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: what now after the modprobe? |
| 12:00.52 | smhar2 | erawfish: so I will apt-get remove powernow? |
| 12:00.54 | enouf | remoteCTRL: it should be working ;-) |
| 12:00.56 | biggi_mat | Alrighty, thank you enouf |
| 12:00.58 | enouf | remoteCTRL: dmesg | tail |
| 12:01.11 | enouf | remoteCTRL: setup your networking /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 12:01.12 | remoteCTRL | enouf: still no cards in network-manager... |
| 12:01.25 | enouf | remoteCTRL: /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 12:01.43 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hrm, i never use network-mangler |
| 12:02.11 | smhar2 | erawfish: It is an experimental install that got too many things in it |
| 12:02.18 | remoteCTRL | enouf: heh dmesg | tail says driver loaded but no devices found |
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| 12:02.23 | enouf | biggi_mat: just in case , <set the time> is another factoid |
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| 12:02.55 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hrm .. /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:03.19 | enouf | remoteCTRL: or, just reboot, so udev picks it up - add that modulename to /etc/modules even |
| 12:03.58 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ok i will just a sec pls |
| 12:04.17 | smhar2 | erawfish: ok.. I checked and powernowd is not even installed! |
| 12:04.53 | smhar2 | erawfish: neither is selinux |
| 12:04.55 | enouf | smhar2: there are more than one power applications / pkgs / types |
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| 12:05.10 | erawfish | smhar2: once upon a time both were |
| 12:05.20 | enouf | hibernate is one, s2ram is another, no? |
| 12:05.41 | enouf | there are tons of them - some/many deprecated? dunno |
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| 12:06.03 | gothenburg | Hello |
| 12:06.20 | gothenburg | Can I se what packages I have installed? |
| 12:06.22 | remoteCTRL | enouf: noep, didnt do the job... |
| 12:06.32 | remoteCTRL | enouf: is that a generic driver or what is it? |
| 12:07.09 | enouf | remoteCTRL: yep, a kernel module |
| 12:07.19 | enouf | remoteCTRL: modinfo e1000e |
| 12:07.19 | smhar2 | enouf: hibernate is not installed and s2ram doesn't even show in my apt-cache |
| 12:07.42 | remoteCTRL | enouf: humm im afraid it doesnt want the card either cos ifconfig gives me a loopback interface and nothing further... |
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| 12:08.03 | enouf | remoteCTRL: did you reboot? cable is connected? |
| 12:08.12 | remoteCTRL | enouf: both yes |
| 12:08.16 | enouf | remoteCTRL: some funky BIOS setting? |
| 12:08.33 | gothenburg | Can I see if I got python installed in my Debian system? |
| 12:08.33 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ls /sys/class/net says? |
| 12:08.47 | enouf | smhar2: ok |
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| 12:08.56 | remoteCTRL | enouf: not that i knew of, i mean it is a dual boot setup with xp on the other partition and that works out of the box, so bios settings ought to be all right |
| 12:08.58 | nvz | gothenburg: you have python or you don't have debian |
| 12:09.10 | enouf | gothenburg: dpkg -l \*python* |
| 12:09.15 | remoteCTRL | enouf: says lo |
| 12:09.17 | enouf | yeah |
| 12:09.24 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ok , no bueno |
| 12:09.26 | smhar2 | enouf: so why are they still show in my rc2.d? |
| 12:09.38 | remoteCTRL | enouf: :D agree |
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| 12:10.00 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hrm ... odd - should just work[TM] |
| 12:10.14 | enouf | remoteCTRL: /msg dpkg z25 and check the contents of those files mentioned |
| 12:10.30 | rvsjoen | I have some files with names starting with "-l", any clue on how to delete them ? rm thinks -l is an argument even if I quote or escape it |
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| 12:10.32 | gothenburg | enouf: thank you |
| 12:10.41 | enouf | np |
| 12:10.46 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i will, sec pls |
| 12:10.54 | remoteCTRL | /msg dpkg z25 |
| 12:10.58 | remoteCTRL | oops |
| 12:11.02 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:11.21 | Ace2016_ | http://down.codeweavers.com/ ITS FREE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:11.44 | enouf | !win erawfish ! |
| 12:11.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, erawfish !! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
| 12:11.54 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:12.24 | enouf | rvsjoen: man rm, see rm -- -filename |
| 12:12.25 | nvz | well if you have gnome and/or alsa properly installed you def have python anyhow.. |
| 12:12.40 | Lagbolt | Ace2016_, |
| 12:12.47 | Lagbolt | Ace2016_, nice |
| 12:12.56 | enouf | rvsjoen: man rm, alternatively see rm ./-filename |
| 12:13.08 | rvsjoen | it worked prefixing with ./ thanks |
| 12:13.10 | Ace2016_ | :D |
| 12:13.11 | remoteCTRL | enouf: both of those files dont exist in that folder |
| 12:13.17 | nvz | seems all the essentials depend on perl and libc exclusively now |
| 12:13.28 | enouf | remoteCTRL: yikes ... |
| 12:13.45 | remoteCTRL | z25 is persistent-cd.rules in my case |
| 12:13.45 | enouf | remoteCTRL: dpkg -l udev | grep ^.i |
| 12:13.51 | remoteCTRL | k, sec |
| 12:14.07 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ps aux | grep udevd | grep -v grep |
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| 12:14.41 | remoteCTRL | enouf: grep ^ .i? |
| 12:14.58 | enouf | no |
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| 12:15.04 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ^.i |
| 12:15.25 | enouf | pgrep udevd <--replaces my long ps aux... |
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| 12:16.04 | remoteCTRL | enouf: well the grep .i stuff sya no such file or directory and the ps aux says udevd --daemon |
| 12:16.23 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ok, well it must be installed cause it's running :-P |
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| 12:16.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: agree on that |
| 12:17.00 | enouf | remoteCTRL: you have no 70networking ... in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 12:17.28 | remoteCTRL | enouf: version 0.114-2 |
| 12:17.37 | remoteCTRL | enouf: nope no such thing there |
| 12:17.48 | enouf | remoteCTRL: pastebin your entire output of dmesg |
| 12:18.18 | remoteCTRL | enouf: heh how would i do that? |
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| 12:19.41 | remoteCTRL | enouf: wait a sec i'll try pipe it to a textfile put it on the usb key and port it over to teh workstation, just a sec |
| 12:19.46 | enouf | remoteCTRL: well .. a few ways; upload the contents directly or copy/paste |
| 12:19.59 | enouf | remoteCTRL: dmesg > dmesg.output |
| 12:20.12 | enouf | makes dmesg.output the text file |
| 12:20.13 | remoteCTRL | enouf: keep in mind i got no network;) |
| 12:20.25 | enouf | remoteCTRL: run--> /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 12:20.36 | enouf | crap |
| 12:20.43 | enouf | that mobo has 1 NIC? |
| 12:21.59 | enouf | remoteCTRL: tell me this is not within vmwarez or someshit |
| 12:23.08 | remoteCTRL | enouf: omg no |
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| 12:23.26 | enouf | remoteCTRL: lsmod | grep e1000e |
| 12:23.51 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i appreciate that youre not running out of i deas but i cant keep up just a sec pls:) |
| 12:25.07 | remoteCTRL | gawd now i get an error trying to mount the key on the workstation-.- |
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| 12:26.03 | enouf | remoteCTRL: take your time ... you'll resolve this |
| 12:26.12 | Gigantic | I have a better solution |
| 12:26.23 | enouf | tiny? |
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| 12:26.33 | remoteCTRL | enouf: thanks for your confidence |
| 12:26.38 | Gigantic | drop coke over your pcs fan and tell me if that works |
| 12:27.10 | Gigantic | don't forget to keep one finger over the case |
| 12:27.22 | enouf | flake or powder? |
| 12:27.55 | smhar2 | erawfish: enouf : I still do not know what to do to get my system booting again :-( it still stops after loading OpenBSD |
| 12:27.57 | alcohol | Silly question, but how does one change the name of the machine? Like, the part at the start of the terminal (host?) |
| 12:28.01 | erawfish | enouf: liquid |
| 12:28.14 | Gigantic | emacs /etc/HOST |
| 12:28.19 | alcohol | ah |
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| 12:28.28 | remoteCTRL | enouf: gawd, have a look at this please |
| 12:28.28 | enouf | smhar2: remove any all openbsd-inetd pkgs? use /msg dpkg rcconf to stop services from loading? |
| 12:28.34 | Gigantic | or was HOSTNAME? |
| 12:28.36 | alcohol | no such file |
| 12:28.38 | Gigantic | one of those |
| 12:28.42 | erawfish | smhar2: don't you know basic debugging techniques? first: reduce complexity |
| 12:28.45 | mhymn | !twll alcohol about hostname |
| 12:28.51 | alcohol | yea hostname |
| 12:28.53 | erawfish | alcohol: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 12:29.00 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.01 | mhymn | !tell alcohol about hostname |
| 12:29.13 | Gigantic | !gay |
| 12:29.13 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 12:29.24 | erawfish | smhar2: learn about apt. read the apt howto and what purge is |
| 12:29.25 | Gigantic | well it still work |
| 12:29.38 | remoteCTRL | enouf: /lib/udev/write_net_rules btw returns missing $INTERFACE |
| 12:29.39 | enouf | smhar2: boot into single, then remount / rw, then do your changes, then touch /forcefsck ; remount ro again, reboot |
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| 12:31.03 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hrm .. do me a flavor, run /sbin/MAKEDEV (i know, it's silly, just do it) |
| 12:31.21 | OpenTokix | As if designed to make the Gods of Hypocrisy die of laughter, SNMP is anything but simple. |
| 12:31.42 | enouf | remoteCTRL: did you ever create (fill in) a /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 12:31.44 | erawfish | OpenTokix: you should have been warned sufficiently by SMT |
| 12:31.48 | erawfish | *SMTP |
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| 12:32.02 | OpenTokix | erawfish: my storage only provide snmp-traps |
| 12:32.02 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 12:32.13 | OpenTokix | erawfish: and I want to get nagios-stuff checking it |
| 12:32.45 | Anthro | I have a box running etch as a router. I'm trying to figure out whether the problem it's having is hardware or software/config. It keeps spitting this to console every few seconds: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready |
| 12:34.47 | user_ | enouf: i did tried to use mozilla-mplayer from debian-multimedia.org, but still same problem |
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| 12:38.20 | erawfish | Anthro: checked dmesg yet? |
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| 12:40.07 | enouf | remoteCTRL: lsmod | grep e1000e <-- ever show me that output? |
| 12:40.24 | enouf | remoteCTRL: note; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/drivers/net/e1000e/hw.h#L349 is your pciid |
| 12:40.32 | remoteCTRL | enouf: to be honest no i didnt, shouldnt that be filled in outomatically as soon as it detects card? |
| 12:41.06 | enouf | user_: ouch ... |
| 12:41.29 | enouf | user_: pastebin ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/* |
| 12:41.43 | enouf | remoteCTRL: i want proof it |
| 12:41.49 | enouf | remoteCTRL: i want proof it's actualt loaded |
| 12:43.25 | user_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m44a0e86 |
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| 12:43.43 | user_ | enouf: sorry |
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| 12:44.37 | user_ | enouf: this link is correct: http://pastebin.com/d1a09e5bb |
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| 12:45.30 | Anthro | erawfish: dmesg is full of the same message |
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| 12:46.51 | enouf | user_: run updatedb as root, so you can use locate to find shit easily - take a look at the bottom of this page as it pertains to /paths/where/plugins/ are |
| 12:46.53 | enouf | http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/install.php |
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| 12:48.45 | enouf | user_: try copying this sucker /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so into your appropriate ~/.mozilla iceweasel firefox dirs |
| 12:48.46 | user_ | enouf: thanks, will try now |
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| 12:49.43 | enouf | user_: sorry - i confused Flashshit with mplayer |
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| 12:50.24 | enouf | user_: symlink (or copy) the needed correct mplayer one into your ~ whereveer it goes |
| 12:51.00 | user_ | enouf: ok, will try, sec |
| 12:51.28 | Craigevil | why copy? doesnt apt-get install put the symlinks in the correct place? it should |
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| 12:52.30 | enouf | user_: note the /dir named {ec8030f7-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxx} in /usr/lib/mozilla - is that your ~/.mozilla../../identity ? or does that only appear in /root/ ? |
| 12:53.53 | remoteCTRL | enouf: im stuck:-/ |
| 12:54.10 | enouf | remoteCTRL: lsmod | grep e1000e <-- ever show me that output? |
| 12:54.13 | remoteCTRL | i will try and launch an ubuntu live cd and see if i can find a fitting driver there... |
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| 12:54.27 | remoteCTRL | enouf its loaded |
| 12:54.38 | enouf | remoteCTRL: shoold be all of 2 words to type |
| 12:55.01 | remoteCTRL | enouf: come again? |
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| 12:55.26 | remoteCTRL | enouf: e1000e 88292 0 |
| 12:55.30 | remoteCTRL | gawd |
| 12:56.00 | remoteCTRL | did i scarehim off? |
| 12:56.22 | user_ | enouf: i have {ec8030f7-.......} in /root/.mozilla/extensions as well as in /home/user/.mozilla/extensions and /usr/lib/mozilla/extensions |
| 12:56.39 | remoteCTRL | (01:55:11 PM) enouf left the room. |
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| 12:57.35 | user_ | enouf: and {ec8030f7-......} is empty by all 3 locations |
| 12:58.10 | remoteCTRL | (01:56:39 PM) remoteCTRL: (01:55:11 PM) enouf left the room. |
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| 13:02.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ok man i got something here |
| 13:02.59 | heavenquake | Does mounted volumes take up space on the local hard drive? |
| 13:03.00 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ubuntu uses e1000e_ich9m |
| 13:03.11 | enouf | where;'s that _user mplayer plugin kid? |
| 13:03.16 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/Mozilla |
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| 13:04.52 | jp1nx | i had a hdd crash and lost my boot partition - can i reinstall it alone? |
| 13:04.52 | enouf | remoteCTRL: pciids don't lie - and e1000e is correct in debian's .26 kernel - however, there may be something i'm totally unaware of like linux-modules-extra stuffs |
| 13:05.07 | enouf | ~$ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 13:05.08 | enouf | e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010f5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 13:05.41 | enouf | jp1nx: you can likely rebuild one |
| 13:05.58 | remoteCTRL | enouf: or... maybe i am completely missing something here, something like filling in /etc/network/interfaces... |
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| 13:06.24 | enouf | you only selectively answer me .. so .. |
| 13:06.25 | jp1nx | Enouf - I have the CD with netinstall and basic system . Is that enough? |
| 13:06.43 | remoteCTRL | enouf: do mean me by selectively answering? |
| 13:07.00 | enouf | jp1nx: if you;re not used to using CLI and chroot, it'll be tough |
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| 13:07.21 | jp1nx | bummer |
| 13:07.43 | remoteCTRL | enouf: cos i am trying hard to answer all of you questions and in order of appearance:) |
| 13:07.43 | enouf | i asked you atleast twice about /interfaces, i told you atleast once /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 13:07.54 | jp1nx | I can do cli, but not much experience on chroot |
| 13:07.57 | Lagbolt | enouf, user_ is gone i think |
| 13:08.10 | enouf | Lagbolt: his loss - shame |
| 13:08.28 | remoteCTRL | enouf: you asked me if i filled something in i aswered no shouldnt it be billed by itself if a card is bein recognized, you didn't answer that one;) |
| 13:08.45 | enouf | /ms send user_ see ~$ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 13:08.45 | enouf | e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010f5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 13:08.48 | enouf | crap |
| 13:08.55 | enouf | sorry - clip buffer |
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| 13:08.56 | remoteCTRL | enouf: btw yes, meanwhile i have put a few lines into /etc/network/interfaces, same effect.. |
| 13:09.26 | enouf | Lagbolt: i sent him a memoserv anyway |
| 13:09.40 | Lagbolt | enouf, how do you do that? |
| 13:09.43 | remoteCTRL | can#t just be that this works on ubuntu but doesnt on lenny |
| 13:09.44 | Lagbolt | never mind |
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| 13:09.59 | enouf | remoteCTRL: no, you said something about network-mangler not seeing it |
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| 13:10.13 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ouuu man that was ages ago:D |
| 13:10.24 | enouf | Lagbolt: /ms send <nick> <text> |
| 13:10.31 | enouf | Lagbolt: they need to be regged though |
| 13:10.56 | enouf | remoteCTRL: yes, and i'm growing a beard over here |
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| 13:11.33 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i am seriously sorry about that, but please be aware i got to type every result of a command i cant copy paste... |
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| 13:12.08 | enouf | remoteCTRL: except lsmod output eh? |
| 13:12.32 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i am typing all of it also lsmod output;) |
| 13:12.58 | remoteCTRL | (01:55:25 PM) remoteCTRL: enouf: e1000e 88292 0 |
| 13:13.00 | dv_ | hey |
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| 13:13.29 | dv_ | I have been using ext3 for a while, and while it works ok, the occasional mandatory fsck is really annoying, |
| 13:13.37 | dv_ | since it takes about 40 minutes to finish |
| 13:13.42 | amphi | remoteCTRL: what's the problem? does ifconfig -a show the interface? |
| 13:13.48 | Lagbolt | dv_, you can adjust that with tune2fs |
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| 13:13.53 | stoned | dv_, you can change the timer |
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| 13:13.55 | dv_ | I realize that the occasional fsck is a good idea, |
| 13:13.57 | remoteCTRL | amphi: nope it doesnt |
| 13:13.58 | stoned | what Lagbolt said |
| 13:14.01 | stoned | amphi, pin |
| 13:14.12 | dv_ | but it doesnt matter WHEN the fsck is started, |
| 13:14.18 | stoned | dv_, checking for FS consistency is good |
| 13:14.19 | dv_ | its the matter of how long fsck takes |
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| 13:14.30 | dv_ | 40 minutes is absolutely unacceptable |
| 13:14.39 | stoned | get a smaller disk! |
| 13:14.40 | Lagbolt | dv_, it takes as long as it takes. you can turn off the automatic checking after so many mounts etc etc |
| 13:14.46 | enouf | so, setup your interfaces file correctly and restart networking - see if lshw sees your device, though lspci does - so that's not the issue IMHO - but where's dmesg? /msg dpkg pastebinpipe |
| 13:14.49 | Lagbolt | dv_, then you can just run it at your liesure |
| 13:15.04 | dv_ | well, what about other filesystems? |
| 13:15.12 | dv_ | I can live with a fsck that takes ~10 minutes |
| 13:15.28 | rvsjoen | any easy way of download build-essential and everything it depends on without installing ? |
| 13:15.36 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i wasnt able to mount the usb stick with the dmesg.txt on it to my workstation, remember? i pastebinned you the error message from that... |
| 13:16.07 | Lagbolt | dv_, what are your other files systems |
| 13:16.19 | enouf | no, i don't but you don't need a usb stick |
| 13:16.20 | Lagbolt | dv_, what exactly do you want? do you want it to stop checking? do you want to check 1 or more? |
| 13:16.30 | enouf | awe crap |
| 13:16.32 | amphi | stoned: pon |
| 13:16.39 | dv_ | I want it to take less than 40 minutes to finish |
| 13:16.45 | remoteCTRL | enouf: you dont expect me to type all of dmesgs content by hand do you?:D |
| 13:16.46 | enouf | i guess you do - no net at all from box . oh well - use ubuntu |
| 13:16.52 | dv_ | option one, smaller disk. no way. |
| 13:16.56 | enouf | i might |
| 13:17.01 | dv_ | option two, something else than ext3 I guess |
| 13:17.03 | remoteCTRL | haahaha |
| 13:17.11 | remoteCTRL | nice one |
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| 13:17.36 | remoteCTRL | so here's whatz im gonna do: persuade my chef to let me install ubuntu and keep using lenny elsewhere:D |
| 13:17.44 | amphi | dv_: option 3 - don't reboot so often |
| 13:17.59 | Lagbolt | dv_, option 4 disable auto checking and check when you have time to let it check |
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| 13:18.11 | remoteCTRL | enouf: anyways thanks alot for trying to help me i really appreciate it! |
| 13:18.26 | Lagbolt | dv_, options 5 make root filesystem smaller and leave home larger so can be unmounted and fscked anytime you want |
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| 13:19.27 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 13:19.40 | Lagbolt | hi sobersabre |
| 13:19.52 | stoned | amphi, /msg |
| 13:20.16 | Lagbolt | remoteCTR1, your chef? |
| 13:20.34 | enouf | remoteCTRL: hope you get it |
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| 13:21.00 | sobersabre | if I am chmodding an open file, the permissions on successive reads from the file descriptor relating this file will still succeed. i.e. the opener will be able to read the info even if I am blocking access to the file with chmod 0000. |
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| 13:21.19 | enouf | remoteCTRL: tell your chef to make me an omelette please ;-) |
| 13:21.31 | sobersabre | I mean if I run open() and then chmod to 0000 and then read(), the read will succeed. |
| 13:21.43 | iwkse | hi all, anyone can advice to me some tools to create a debian based distro? |
| 13:22.04 | sobersabre | Is there a means to force permissions on even open files ? |
| 13:22.12 | bolt-work | iwkse: if you need to ask... |
| 13:22.54 | iwkse | bolt-work: yes? |
| 13:23.03 | bolt-work | sobersabre: if you want to make a file unreadable for someone who has already opened it, you need to kill their processes first, methinks |
| 13:23.29 | bolt-work | iwkse: what do you want to do? |
| 13:23.37 | iwkse | bolt-work: debian based distro |
| 13:23.44 | bolt-work | iwkse: why? |
| 13:24.13 | iwkse | bolt-work: because i want some customization of my own to be available on a iso, so it's easy to install it |
| 13:24.40 | iwkse | bolt-work: i already did that with ubuntu based, using uck scripts |
| 13:24.49 | iwkse | bolt-work: but i'm not happy with ubuntu |
| 13:25.00 | iwkse | bolt-work: just asking if there's something similar with debian |
| 13:25.39 | iwkse | bolt-work: it's a matter of time too, i could also follow lfs docs |
| 13:26.38 | bolt-work | there is a tool which basically stuffs an installed system on an iso, i think. not sure what it's called |
| 13:26.51 | iwkse | bolt-work: reconstructor? |
| 13:26.57 | stoned | oh |
| 13:27.02 | stoned | there is hm |
| 13:27.32 | stoned | so is there also a way to turn your system into a live cd with hw detection so you can have your customized desktop with you whereever you go, or to perhaps put it into a usb? |
| 13:27.57 | Lagbolt | iwkse, you know i hear debian is a great debian based distro lol |
| 13:28.29 | iwkse | stoned: this is a bit tricky, since the user should be created dinamically. so you may just create customizations for the system |
| 13:28.35 | iwkse | Lagbolt: :p |
| 13:29.17 | iwkse | actually i'm trying to valuate different approaches |
| 13:29.40 | iwkse | uck is nice, but i don't want to use any squashfs used with ubuntu |
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| 13:30.24 | stoned | i see |
| 13:30.29 | Lagbolt | iwkse, do you want to create a debian based distro? or just a custom installer? |
| 13:31.02 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i guess you call it a boss then...:) |
| 13:31.30 | iwkse | Lagbolt: so, i would like to have a livecd that can be installable |
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| 13:32.09 | Akuw | Hi |
| 13:32.38 | Akuw | i need to list all files but less 200Kb and up 10KB |
| 13:32.44 | enouf | remoteCTRL: yikes! http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382 |
| 13:33.04 | enouf | remoteCTRL: ahh.. yes, chief :-) |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | enouf: that's been known for awhile |
| 13:33.10 | gothenburg | Akuw: $ ls --help |
| 13:33.21 | enouf | remoteCTRL: a chef cooks ;-) |
| 13:33.31 | sobersabre | bolt-work: how do you know they have the process ? and what's its name ? |
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| 13:33.52 | remoteCTRL | enouf: ya we see that different over here... chef==boss |
| 13:33.53 | Lagbolt | remoteCTR1, chief? not chef |
| 13:34.09 | enouf | abrotman: great - why won;t this kid's card even show up as a device/iface? e1000e is loaded, lscpi spits out correct info |
| 13:34.19 | amphi | enouf: 'chef' means 'chief', more or less - it doesn't mean 'one who cooks' |
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| 13:34.30 | sobersabre | the permissions to read file is something that should be available for reading in a given time period. |
| 13:34.35 | enouf | amphi: i like to cook though :-P |
| 13:34.40 | amphi | me too |
| 13:34.44 | remoteCTRL | me too |
| 13:34.54 | sobersabre | but if during the time period somebody didn't finish to close the file, I want him to NOT be able read further. |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | enouf: which kernel? which pciid? |
| 13:35.07 | angryuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.08 | enouf | amphi: it's in my sheduuule :-P |
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| 13:35.12 | sobersabre | bolt-work: do you understand what I am tryiung to achieve ? |
| 13:35.21 | stoned | hey |
| 13:35.22 | enouf | abrotman: new Lenny install - i hope .26-1 |
| 13:35.26 | stoned | stop being british! |
| 13:35.52 | enouf | abrotman: i did the whole ~$ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap from lspci -nn output |
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| 13:36.01 | remoteCTRL | omg |
| 13:36.15 | enouf | remoteCTRL: uname -r |
| 13:36.43 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i just tried to reinstll it and to choose e1000e from the nic menu but it still says no card was detected |
| 13:37.04 | enouf | reinstall "it"? |
| 13:37.09 | stoned | hey, is man browseable in an html format with hyper links where the text shows up in bold in cli |
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| 13:37.11 | enouf | you mean modprobe? |
| 13:37.13 | stoned | etc. |
| 13:37.19 | enouf | remoteCTRL: uname -r |
| 13:37.27 | remoteCTRL | enouf: i dunno right nowas i am not boioted to it and i am afraid i cant continue now cos i gotta hand something in until 3pm and that is half an hour to go |
| 13:37.34 | enouf | remoteCTRL: uname -r !! |
| 13:37.37 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:37.40 | remoteCTRL | so i'll be back with this issue |
| 13:37.41 | stoned | do i have to use man2html to convert or is there something of a html manpage pacakge that has hyperlinks in it |
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| 13:37.47 | enouf | remoteCTRL: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:37.53 | remoteCTRL | enouf it is 2.6.26-something |
| 13:37.57 | remoteCTRL | enouf |
| 13:37.58 | enouf | remoteCTRL: cat /etc/debian_version ! |
| 13:38.01 | remoteCTRL | it is not running |
| 13:38.03 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:38.06 | remoteCTRL | hahaha |
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| 13:38.29 | enouf | !prize abrotman |
| 13:38.29 | dpkg | gives abrotman a yogi pin. |
| 13:39.04 | enouf | remoteCTRL: a ubuntu boot does work though, correct? using e1000e_ich9 though, correct? |
| 13:39.22 | remoteCTRL | precisely! |
| 13:39.29 | heavenquake | I'm connecting to my server with ssh and rsa keys - will I need to generate new keys if I reboot either client or server? |
| 13:40.38 | enouf | abrotman: linux-modules-extra (or even firmware?) wouldn't have anything to do with this, would it? |
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| 13:41.09 | abrotman | enouf: prize for what? |
| 13:41.55 | stoned | heavenquake, no... |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | remoteCTRL: we need the *exact* output of `uname -a` .. not 452.5.265-something |
| 13:42.27 | enouf | remoteCTRL: did you grab a Daily lenny image? or a 4 year old one? |
| 13:42.29 | bolt-work | takes a bite of the nearest usb cable |
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| 13:43.11 | enouf | embalms remoteCTRL |
| 13:43.19 | remoteCTRL | abrotman: well thanks for telling but as i say for the ca. 5th time now i dont have it booted so i dont know and i am running outa time for a different task;) |
| 13:43.35 | remoteCTRL | enouf: its lenny beta from july or something |
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| 13:43.41 | enouf | ... |
| 13:43.55 | remoteCTRL | where do i geht a different one? |
| 13:43.57 | abrotman | remoteCTRL: so uh .. boot it ? |
| 13:44.17 | enouf | remoteCTRL: /msg dpkg di |
| 13:44.43 | abrotman | if he used beta2 to install .. but upgraded his kernel to .26 .. that's a good start, but i'm skeptical |
| 13:45.07 | Lagbolt | should that e1000 work with the latest 26 kern? |
| 13:45.23 | abrotman | depends on the model |
| 13:45.46 | Lagbolt | could he use a working ubuntu live CD to install debian with a bootstrap and get a working kernel installed? |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | $ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010f5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 13:46.04 | Lagbolt | but i would assume latest lenny installer would do it if that model works with the card he has |
| 13:46.19 | abrotman | that's why i asked which kernel he was using |
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| 13:47.27 | enouf | abrotman: i told you we did the whole grep e1000e thing and modprobe already |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | enouf: i was sohwing Lagbolt .. not you |
| 13:47.49 | enouf | ok, sowwy |
| 13:47.56 | Lagbolt | hmm i see |
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| 13:50.16 | enouf | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=97ac8caee238d2a81c23661916f7acd3a22c85fe |
| 13:50.40 | enouf | what the f is BM there? Busmaster? |
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| 13:51.55 | joh | Any way to get smbk5pwd for OpenLDAP in debian etch without patching & re-compiling slapd? |
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| 13:54.09 | enouf | abrotman: oh btw, thanks for the rain |
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| 13:54.18 | abrotman | np! |
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| 13:58.49 | stoned | dude |
| 13:58.51 | stoned | its awesome |
| 13:58.56 | ruadh | Hi |
| 13:59.19 | stoned | I wish it would rain as much as Louisiana but it doesn't. Anyway, any idea bout my previous query? |
| 13:59.52 | stoned | browseable manpages in html, as I was thinking for styling it with css for more... uhm.. easy reading? |
| 14:00.06 | stoned | or would I have to convert with like man2html or something |
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| 14:01.49 | ruadh | I've just installed debian and would like to download xchat. However, after starting 'Software Properties' I cant find and download xchat. Can anyone help? |
| 14:03.05 | enouf | stoned: i never saw your query, but if you mean for easier reading in a browser? well, they're compressed to save space, and decompressed upon viewing, doesn't converting them make them larger in file size? |
| 14:03.35 | stoned | sure, but I want to style them with css make em look pretty |
| 14:03.42 | stoned | just to try it out anyway |
| 14:04.05 | enouf | stoned: hrm, would the dwww pkg help with that? |
| 14:04.10 | stoned | or perhaps an ajax based application that pulls in stuff without reloading page |
| 14:04.15 | stoned | enouf, I'm not sure |
| 14:04.26 | enouf | apt-cache show? |
| 14:04.39 | enouf | i think that's more doc-book related? |
| 14:04.41 | stoned | squints at enouf |
| 14:04.43 | stoned | yes i know! |
| 14:05.02 | petemc | ruadh: im not sure what 'Software Properties' is, but aptitude install xchat, or use synaptic |
| 14:05.17 | stoned | petemc, he could be on ubuntu ! |
| 14:05.24 | petemc | anythings possible |
| 14:05.53 | amphi | stoned: couldn't you tweak man2html? |
| 14:06.21 | stoned | amphi, I was thinking of first creating a searchable man in an ajax app |
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| 14:06.45 | stoned | and as it pulls the page from where, I have not decided yet, it format the content with css to make it look pretty |
| 14:07.14 | stoned | I will look at man2html I suppose |
| 14:07.57 | stoned | oh, and link other terms etc. to other manpages via ajax as well |
| 14:08.20 | ruadh | petemc I'm not much goon at the technical stuff. What do you mean by 'aptitude install' and 'synaptic'? |
| 14:08.22 | stoned | enouf, said what dwww? |
| 14:08.47 | stoned | !tell ruadh -about grounding |
| 14:09.10 | amphi | 'ajax' eh? *shudder* ;) |
| 14:09.13 | ruadh | I'll leave it for now. Thanks |
| 14:09.13 | stoned | ruadh, aptitude is a package manager as is synaptic. Former is cli/ncurses based and latter is gtk2 GUI |
| 14:09.27 | stoned | amphi, its the new thing! haven't you heard |
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| 14:09.38 | stoned | er.. s/new/IN |
| 14:09.41 | amphi | stoned: not too great for w3m/links/lynx users... |
| 14:09.47 | stoned | obviously... |
| 14:09.50 | path_ | :] |
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| 14:10.18 | jamon | sucks for accessibility too, though works is being done in that dept. |
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| 14:10.32 | stoned | jamon, I'm bored. |
| 14:10.42 | stoned | plus it could be a learning experience |
| 14:10.44 | enouf | stoned: funny thing is i have links2 setup to open .gz files on the fly - works great - but the man pages nroff or whatever it is, shows all the formatting chars |
| 14:11.31 | enouf | stoned: but in the term, the colors and indentation and highlighting are all nice - so if you do something with html/css try to atleast have that too |
| 14:11.43 | stoned | of course, that was the point |
| 14:11.43 | d-b | links2... |
| 14:12.13 | amphi | d-b: enouf likes such bloated gui programs ;) |
| 14:12.32 | amphi | I've tried to get him to use w3m, but to no avail |
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| 14:12.34 | d-b | tell it to his ram. |
| 14:12.36 | stoned | there are ton sof html manpages online tons and tons, but none of them are dynamic/AJAX, and linked keywords to other manpages etc. But now that I know the packages, I think it is no longer a debian related questin |
| 14:12.48 | suwro | hello |
| 14:12.49 | stoned | so we can discuss in #oswebdev if anyone cares to |
| 14:13.10 | amphi | tkman linked to other manpages if I recall correctly |
| 14:13.13 | petemc | what apect of man pages needs dynamic/AJAX |
| 14:13.22 | enouf | makes d-b use netcat to browse the web |
| 14:13.44 | suwro | I am having problems with mrtg, it's complaining about ipv6 :: Can't locate IO/Socket/INET6.pm ... at /usr/share/perl5/SNMP_Session.pm line 138. |
| 14:13.57 | d-b | nc ssh://enouf/etc/shadow WIN |
| 14:14.13 | d-b | oops not that nc the other oh nevermind |
| 14:14.18 | FR33L4NC3 | how do I format my USB disk in debian, It is FAT32 now, but I want it to be Ext3 |
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| 14:14.58 | suwro | FR33L4NC3: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 << dont forget to unmount it |
| 14:15.11 | OpenTokix | FR33L4NC3: ext3 for removable media is not the brightest idea |
| 14:15.26 | bolt-work | OpenTokix: why not+ |
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| 14:15.43 | d-b | its a journalising file system bolt-work ... it will wear the disk down. |
| 14:15.43 | phorce1 | I may be late on this but has everyone that may be interested seen the codeweavers freebie going on? |
| 14:15.47 | OpenTokix | bolt-work: if you remove it without unmounting, funny thinngs might happen |
| 14:15.49 | suwro | FR33L4NC3: use also -L for label |
| 14:15.56 | d-b | Politoed: noted. its not in debian. |
| 14:15.59 | d-b | !wine |
| 14:15.59 | dpkg | hmm... wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/, #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 14:16.13 | enouf | stoned: linuxcommand.org layout of superman pages is nice to browse - missing a few, but still |
| 14:16.15 | FR33L4NC3 | OpenTokix: I know... I i want to trie something and I only got this available to try it on |
| 14:16.21 | suwro | anyone can help me with mrtg? |
| 14:16.28 | bolt-work | d-b: and what makes an external drive different from an internal one? we're not necessarily talking ssd here |
| 14:16.30 | suwro | Can't locate IO/Socket/INET6.pm |
| 14:16.38 | d-b | bolt-work: then nothing. |
| 14:16.43 | d-b | no differnce. |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | !tell suwro about search |
| 14:16.58 | stoned | petemc, it doesn't _need_ it. |
| 14:17.06 | OpenTokix | FR33L4NC3: then mkfs.ext3 |
| 14:17.19 | bolt-work | I was just wondering, since I use ext3 on my backup drive. Guess I'm okay then. I'd never remove it before it's done :) |
| 14:17.50 | suwro | abrotman: I've been searching over 1 hour - internet and apt - it seems mrtg is missing something. |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | suwro: what are you trying to build? |
| 14:18.22 | suwro | abrotman: also I have libsocket6-perl installed |
| 14:18.23 | abrotman | $ apt-file search INET6.pm |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | libio-socket-inet6-perl: /usr/share/perl5/IO/Socket/INET6.pm |
| 14:18.39 | abrotman | didn't search very hard |
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| 14:19.09 | suwro | abrotman: nothing just a simple mrtg, also global defaults in config is EnableIPv6: no |
| 14:19.25 | suwro | abrotman: still mrtg miss IPV6 |
| 14:19.40 | suwro | Can't locate IO/Socket/INET6.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/bin/../lib/mrtg2 /usr/bin /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/SNMP_Session.pm line 138. |
| 14:19.57 | xerophytev | if i have chroot .. how can i list process which runs in that chroot ? |
| 14:20.34 | abrotman | suwro: dpkg -l libio-socket-inet6-perl .. which version ? |
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| 14:20.57 | jamon | xerophytev: well, you need proc to be mounted first off, and in that case you'd be able to see processes from outside the chroot |
| 14:21.08 | suwro | abrotman: hmm - wasnt installed 1 sec. |
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| 14:21.51 | xerophytev | jamon: i am little confused |
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| 14:22.24 | abrotman | grrrrr |
| 14:22.34 | suwro | abrotman: now it's even bigger |
| 14:22.37 | suwro | SNMPGET Problem for ifInOctets.2 ifOutOctets.2 sysUptime sysName on public@localhost::::::v4only |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | that's a different problem |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | use the mrtg packages |
| 14:23.03 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.22 | jamon | xerophytev: ps works by reading /proc, so in your chroot you need to have a mounted /proc |
| 14:23.25 | jamon | make sense so far? |
| 14:23.26 | abrotman | use the debian mrtg packages |
| 14:23.29 | abrotman | or ask them |
| 14:23.46 | suwro | abrotman: it's the debian package I am using. |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | then it should pull your deps automagically |
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| 14:24.20 | suwro | abrotman: it seems it does not. |
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| 14:26.50 | ShredZ | Debian etch has a bug in the ghostscript packages that causes black pages to be printed when a file contains raster images can I fix this ? |
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| 14:28.12 | tarzeau | ShredZ: use a newer ghostscript debian package? |
| 14:28.17 | tarzeau | ShredZ: i think that's what we do |
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| 14:28.59 | stoned | tarzeau, hi |
| 14:29.05 | tarzeau | hey stoned |
| 14:29.09 | stoned | tarzeau, any new game packages lately bro? |
| 14:29.10 | enouf | xerophyte: i just ran a small test, i chrooted, then mount -t proc proc /proc ; then i pstree -lunap and can see all processes (including the systems), but the tree view shows me subprocesses/children - but then i grepped by username |
| 14:29.23 | tarzeau | stoned: kibi the nano robot? |
| 14:29.24 | bigmatt | anybody know of any guides or apps i should look into for dual wan on debian? i havent been able to find anything. |
| 14:29.25 | stoned | tarzeau, any fun new cool games you know in deb? |
| 14:29.30 | tarzeau | stoned: www.sauerbraten.org ? nethack.org? |
| 14:29.33 | stoned | tarzeau, haven't heard of it, its packaged? |
| 14:29.41 | stoned | tarzeau, those two I know of |
| 14:29.58 | tarzeau | stoned: i'm into typography lately, tried beteckna and rufscript yet? |
| 14:30.13 | tarzeau | stoned: i got a new game, but i'm looking for a sponsor for it |
| 14:30.15 | stoned | not sure what they are, I need to do Nastaliiqe in debian |
| 14:30.20 | stoned | tarzeau, sponsor as in? |
| 14:30.26 | jamon | tarzeau: Jan Tschichold++ |
| 14:30.27 | stoned | tarzeau, web hosting/space? |
| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | stoned: tried powder? |
| 14:30.31 | stoned | tarzeau, not yet |
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| 14:30.41 | tarzeau | stoned: someone who has a @debian.org email address and is willing to upload the package into debian |
| 14:30.48 | tarzeau | jamon: who's that? |
| 14:30.55 | stoned | tarzeau, oh, you can't find one in #debian-mentors or soemthing? |
| 14:30.59 | tarzeau | stoned: the game's called "spout" |
| 14:31.09 | tarzeau | stoned: have you tried ultrastar deluxe? it's like singstar. pretty fun |
| 14:31.11 | stoned | tarzeau, oh like the cheweing gum fill filling init |
| 14:31.15 | tarzeau | stoned: no. i can't. |
| 14:31.21 | stoned | tarzeau, and these are all pacakged yes? |
| 14:31.29 | tarzeau | stoned: yep |
| 14:31.31 | stoned | sweet |
| 14:31.36 | tarzeau | stoned: you know the magic mushroom space game? |
| 14:31.38 | jamon | tarzeau: wrote "Die neue Typographie" pretty seminal |
| 14:31.44 | stoned | tarzeau, do I do not |
| 14:31.48 | yang | Which is a good option for a Debian Rescue CD (It must have LVM mounting support) |
| 14:31.48 | craigevil | fungloids |
| 14:31.52 | tarzeau | craigevil: yeah :) |
| 14:31.53 | stoned | oh haha |
| 14:32.03 | tarzeau | craigevil: great when a bit drunk |
| 14:32.12 | stoned | or on shrooms! |
| 14:32.15 | petemc | yang: debian live cd, or sidux live cd |
| 14:32.16 | tarzeau | jamon: i don't get it, can you explain me please? |
| 14:32.32 | jamon | tarzeau: you said you're into typography |
| 14:32.36 | stoned | tarzeau, currently I'm having to type Urdu inside widnows and making it over to Debian |
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| 14:32.47 | tarzeau | jamon: well i only know the Futura font and paul renner :) |
| 14:32.56 | tarzeau | jamon: one font for all and everything , heh |
| 14:33.03 | craigevil | solarwolf and kobodeluxe are awesom and dont need 3d acceleration |
| 14:33.04 | jamon | ah, well, look into tschichold |
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| 14:33.41 | tarzeau | jamon: i'm also in switzerland |
| 14:34.17 | tarzeau | jamon: i like the junicode.sf.net font a lot, especially the cursive small h , it's just beautiful |
| 14:34.24 | tarzeau | very similar to gatineau |
| 14:35.01 | tarzeau | stoned: ttf-tomsontalks should enter any moment |
| 14:35.12 | tarzeau | jamon, stoned: i find comic sans a nightmare. |
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| 14:35.38 | enouf | bigmatt: see lartc.org and debian-administration.org and i suppose you mean bonding? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Bonding |
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| 14:35.42 | jamon | tarzeau: lol, i had to read about junius 11 for a class |
| 14:35.43 | tarzeau | jamon: tiresias fonts also are pretty good, and the adf ones |
| 14:35.46 | yang | petemc: I cannot find the link to Debian-LIVE.iso , just sidux |
| 14:35.49 | jamon | anyways, glad liberation is in debian :) |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | !tell yang about livecd |
| 14:36.04 | tarzeau | jamon: beteckna is the free software clone of futura |
| 14:36.15 | ShredZ | tarzeau, I can't build one for etch (and it has to be on etch) since apt-get build-deps gs-esp won't work |
| 14:36.30 | enouf | wow - 404 Gentoo-wiki.com and gentoo-portage.com are currently down. |
| 14:36.34 | tarzeau | ShredZ: i was able to... |
| 14:36.41 | tarzeau | ShredZ: i386 and amd64 or different stuff? |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | enouf: for awhile |
| 14:36.43 | jamon | enouf: yeah, been down a while too |
| 14:36.49 | jamon | sucks huh? |
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| 14:36.56 | enouf | reason? |
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| 14:37.20 | enouf | nm |
| 14:37.20 | ShredZ | tarzeau, i386, it says it can't find the libcups2-dev packages (logically cause it's libcupsys2-dev on etch) |
| 14:37.32 | enouf | i clicked read more ............ |
| 14:37.42 | happyhessian | i can't seem to figure out the rename command, i know it isn't debian specific, but i am using debian. can someone here help me out with the regex stuff? or at least recommend a channel where someone could? |
| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | ShredZ: they can be backported too :) |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | happyhessian: rename pattenFrom patternTo filelist |
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| 14:39.59 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 14:40.14 | abrotman | oh whoops .. wrong method |
| 14:40.25 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.25 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | happyhessian: rename 's/foo/bar/' *.blah |
| 14:40.31 | abrotman | IIRC |
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| 14:40.32 | funky | this is from aptitude man page |
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| 14:40.48 | funky | but if I try aptitude install foobar+M it doesn't install anything |
| 14:41.08 | funky | what I am doing wrong ? |
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| 14:42.30 | aoupi | is there some GUI to set up QoS or maybe some easily managable script? (I'm NATing between ppp0 and wlan0 and I want to have higher priority on my own connection than for thoose surfing through wlan0) |
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| 14:43.09 | Computor | Is it normal that Debian Testing was installed without the package "locate" ? |
| 14:43.20 | aoupi | Computor: tried slocate? |
| 14:43.49 | funky | Computor: it is, at least here, do what aoupi says, install slocate |
| 14:44.04 | stew | funky: do you have a dependency on the package you are installing? |
| 14:44.11 | enouf | yang: grml.org, or even INSERT, i guess are the two i can think of offhand that are debian-based |
| 14:44.24 | funky | stew: no |
| 14:44.32 | happyhessian | abrotman: how do i keep part of the original file name and change the rest? |
| 14:44.51 | stew | funky: "(note that if nothing depends on <package>, this will cause it to be immediately removed)" |
| 14:45.01 | funky | stew: aha |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | happyhessian: it does that on its own .. show us the command you're using and what you get as a result |
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| 14:45.31 | funky | but I thought that it would be installed first, and then (in a future aptitude dist-upgrade or something), it would be unistalled |
| 14:46.05 | funky | stew: actually I got a package which depends on those other packages |
| 14:46.13 | funky | but it's a .deb file from sourceforge |
| 14:46.26 | funky | that's why I want to mark the dependecies as auto |
| 14:46.37 | stew | funky: so install the .deb first |
| 14:46.42 | funky | k |
| 14:46.46 | funky | I think I did it |
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| 14:47.01 | funky | but obviously the package is broken |
| 14:47.06 | funky | well, I'm gonna try again |
| 14:47.10 | stew | funky: (which will fail because of the dependencies), but then "aptitude -f install" will fix the dependencies by auto-installing them |
| 14:47.38 | happyhessian | my files are all R[some number from 1-65000][a bunch of useless text].pdm |
| 14:47.47 | happyhessian | rename -n 's/^\./R[0-9]{1,5}//' *.* |
| 14:47.51 | happyhessian | that's as far as i got |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | happyhessian: don't msg me .. keep it in the channel |
| 14:48.14 | happyhessian | right, sorry |
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| 14:48.53 | funky | stew: solved, thank you :)) |
| 14:49.19 | stew | happyhessian: your expression has one too many /s |
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| 14:49.26 | stew | happyhessian: do the filenames start with a . ? |
| 14:49.39 | happyhessian | no, i was thinking of the current directory |
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| 14:50.33 | happyhessian | ok, that helps |
| 14:50.37 | happyhessian | rename -n 's/^R9[0-9]{1,5}//' *.* |
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| 14:50.54 | happyhessian | returns a non-error |
| 14:51.14 | happyhessian | it effectively removes the first part of the filename. i want to keep that part and remove the rest. |
| 14:51.15 | stew | happyhessian: that should change the files to "a bunch of useless text".pdm |
| 14:51.22 | happyhessian | yup, it does |
| 14:51.33 | happyhessian | what if i want to keep the number part at the beginning and drop the useless text |
| 14:51.58 | stew | happyhessian: then rename -n 's/^(R[0-9]{1,5}).*$/$1/ |
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| 14:53.18 | greeq | bash: ./configure: No such file or directory ... it says when i m trying to install a tar.gz as given on the net |
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| 14:54.17 | happyhessian | ok that almost solves my problem |
| 14:54.28 | happyhessian | now how would i get rid of the R at the beginning? |
| 14:54.47 | stew | happyhessian: put it outside the () |
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| 14:55.27 | Anthro | I have a box running etch as a router. I'm trying to figure out whether the problem it's having is hardware or software/config. It keeps spitting this to console every few seconds: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready |
| 14:55.33 | bolt-work | greeq: firstly, your tar.gz is obviously not in debian and thus not supported here. secondly, if there isn't a configure in the tar.gz, that's a problem in that file, which we can't fix. make sure you extracted it correctly and that the file is in the directory you're trying to run it from. |
| 14:55.55 | happyhessian | terrific, thanks a lot. one more thing, if i try to do the whole directory, it has an argument too long problem |
| 14:56.11 | happyhessian | bash: /usr/bin/rename: Argument list too long |
| 14:56.12 | happyhessian | to be precise |
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| 14:56.39 | greeq | bolt, but mostly whatever tar i extract doesn't have a ./configure file in it |
| 14:56.53 | Anthro | happyhessian: man xargs |
| 14:57.01 | bolt-work | greeq: that's fine. but you're trying to run a ./configure, and then you would need one, wouldn't you? |
| 14:57.20 | stew | greeq: it should come with a README or INSTALL or something that tells you how to install the software |
| 14:57.33 | greeq | so then how else will i install anything? |
| 14:57.45 | bolt-work | greeq: apt? |
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| 14:58.41 | greeq | i m downloading from the site. apt doesn't have . i dont want to add one mirror for every package . |
| 14:59.06 | stew | greeq: what are you trying to install? |
| 14:59.09 | greeq | i was trying to install some osx leopard transformation pack |
| 14:59.22 | bolt-work | greeq: then you need to find the installation manual and the correct package |
| 14:59.29 | bolt-work | s/package/tar |
| 14:59.30 | pettals | hi, i upgraded etch to lenny using apt-get dist-upgrade but then when i rebooted my machine, it hanged in between, even the single user mode is not working . what do i do ? |
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| 14:59.35 | stoned | greeq, what desktop are you using? |
| 14:59.46 | greeq | gnome |
| 14:59.50 | greeq | http://www.4shared.com/get/33044106/7cde619e/ubuntu_to_OSX_Leopardtar.html;jsessionid=ED1DBE5B33663CB1CD5A8B8B507BBDE0.dc82 |
| 14:59.54 | stoned | greeq, the best os x lookalike and extremely highly configurable is in KDE, Baghira |
| 15:00.14 | stoned | greeq, I've not found many good even halfway decent projects for gnome |
| 15:00.14 | greeq | can i download kde also then? |
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| 15:00.24 | Lagbolt | pettals, do you get an error message? |
| 15:00.32 | stoned | You'd have to use kdesktop/kwin etc. etc. |
| 15:00.34 | pettals | no nothing, a black screen instead |
| 15:00.42 | greeq | but why do people laugh on kde then? isn't gnome more cool? |
| 15:00.48 | stoned | no one laughs |
| 15:00.59 | greeq | oh |
| 15:01.05 | Lagbolt | pettals, at what point? after grub? |
| 15:01.08 | stoned | they are different products with universally similar goals but different ways of achieving them |
| 15:01.18 | bolt-work | greeq: you should use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 15:01.18 | stoned | greeq, KDE is a perfectly viable option as a desktop |
| 15:01.21 | Lagbolt | pettals, you need to be more detailed in your description |
| 15:01.25 | pettals | grub loads fine... after it intends to start gdm |
| 15:01.32 | alcohol | why would someone want an osx look alike? :< |
| 15:01.34 | greeq | how do i install kde? |
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| 15:01.46 | stoned | greeq, however, to switch just for a theme is a bit out there. If you don't mind switching, KDE can offer a lot more than gnome, IMHO. |
| 15:01.48 | Lagbolt | pettals, so you get normal boot until starting gdm? |
| 15:01.53 | pettals | yes |
| 15:02.02 | Lagbolt | pettals, what is your video card? |
| 15:02.20 | stoned | greeq, and you can run any gnome apps inside kde just as well, without problems, and vice versa, but to use Baghira, you'd require KDE |
| 15:02.23 | Lagbolt | pettals, gdm doesnt error out? can you ctl-alt-f1 to get a tty? |
| 15:02.33 | greeq | the packages i installed like rosegarden etc will work for kde too after i get that? |
| 15:02.40 | stoned | absolutely |
| 15:02.45 | greeq | oh ya that |
| 15:02.45 | stoned | greeq, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:03.06 | pettals | it's an intel one. let me check the chipset.. i tried ctrl + alt + f1. not getting tty |
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| 15:03.35 | pettals | intel 945 GM |
| 15:03.47 | pettals | gnome was working fine while in etch |
| 15:04.21 | Lagbolt | pettals, is the machine locked? can you turn caps or numlocks on and off? |
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| 15:05.26 | happyhessian | Anthro: so that means i would have to do something like: find . -name "*" -print | xargs rename ? |
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| 15:06.12 | pettals | Lagbolt: not's it not locked. i tried booting this time, gdm login started, i logged in but then thereafter there's nothing |
| 15:06.35 | Lagbolt | pettals, so gdm works? just gnome is not starting? |
| 15:06.42 | norc | Hello. Any good suggestions for a fast light weigth mail client (graphical/console)? :) |
| 15:06.45 | pettals | yes ... |
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| 15:06.59 | greeq | just apt-get install kde will install which version? |
| 15:06.59 | Lagbolt | does ctr-alt-backspace kill it? |
| 15:07.09 | Lagbolt | pettals, can you change session to gnome-failsafe |
| 15:07.23 | pettals | yes .. one sec |
| 15:07.24 | heavenquake | greeq: the one currently in your repository :P |
| 15:07.52 | et | is there a way to prevent servicing from starting when installing/updating packages? |
| 15:07.56 | greeq | the official us and uk mirror. which one that has? |
| 15:08.17 | et | -servicing+services |
| 15:08.40 | phorce1 | greeq: try apt-cache show kde |
| 15:08.46 | pettals | i have loggen in to the fail safe session |
| 15:08.57 | petemc | norc: mutt or sylpheed |
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| 15:09.12 | greeq | cool |
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| 15:10.11 | norc | petemc: thanks. :) |
| 15:10.31 | pettals | Lagbolt: the fail safe session started normally |
| 15:11.01 | Lagbolt | pettals, well i am not sure what that does but i assume it means there is a configuration problem |
| 15:11.09 | Lagbolt | pettals, gnome must log errors somewhere. |
| 15:11.22 | pettals | let me check the errors |
| 15:11.49 | pettals | by the way, one important question, how i install indian language support in lenny |
| 15:12.07 | pettals | i mean, i would like to change the language from english to some indian language |
| 15:12.17 | Lagbolt | pettals, not sure :( i dont have much experience with language support |
| 15:12.30 | pettals | oh ok... :-) |
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| 15:14.55 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.00 | Lagbolt | !tell pettals about locales |
| 15:15.12 | Lagbolt | oops |
| 15:15.20 | pettals | thanks |
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| 15:17.10 | ShredZ | tarzeau, I get failed tests when backporting cups 1.3.8 to etch (yielding a failure to build the deb) |
| 15:17.12 | thunar | Can someone tell me about sound not working please? |
| 15:18.23 | tarzeau | ShredZ: tried bpo? |
| 15:18.26 | tarzeau | !bpo |
| 15:18.26 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 15:18.31 | Lagbolt | thunar1, well it usually means you cant hear sounds . .. . can you be more specific |
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| 15:18.35 | tarzeau | thunar1: what hardware, soundcard? alsa or not? |
| 15:18.46 | ShredZ | tarzeau, they don't have any newer ghostscript packages |
| 15:18.53 | thunar1 | tarzeau: it's an hda-intel onboard sound chip. don't know if i am using alsa or not. |
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| 15:21.54 | thunar1 | tarzeau: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:22.51 | tarzeau | thunar1: and what debian do you have? sid? |
| 15:22.58 | thunar1 | tarzeau: yea sid. |
| 15:23.04 | tarzeau | thunar1: hm, no idea |
| 15:23.21 | thunar1 | I dont see my driver loaded now that I look |
| 15:23.37 | thunar1 | whats the command to load it? insmod hda-intel? |
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| 15:23.47 | tarzeau | thunar1: modprobe |
| 15:24.08 | thunar1 | FATAL: Module hda_intel not found. |
| 15:24.25 | voltage` | get a sb live pci lol |
| 15:24.32 | acemi | thunar1: snd_hda_intel |
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| 15:24.53 | thunar1 | acemi: ok that seemed to take |
| 15:25.06 | acemi | thunar1: what is your pc model? |
| 15:25.19 | omry|work | free crossover pro, only today :) http://down.codeweavers.com/ |
| 15:25.31 | thunar1 | acemi: It's custom by me. Asus P5B-Deluxe motherboard |
| 15:26.03 | thunar1 | I did modprobe snd_hda_intel and it seemed to work, but I still can't play sounds. |
| 15:28.24 | acemi | thunar1: have a lenovo noteboot with the same audio chip. the sound started to work after I added a line in a config file |
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| 15:29.13 | thunar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.13 | thunar1 | --- no soundcards --- |
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| 15:30.08 | stoned | omry|work, you mean non-free crossover pro. |
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| 15:30.59 | omry|work | stoned, aye. there was a regular free crossover? last time I tried they had a 30 days trial but you had to buy it to continue using it. |
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| 15:31.06 | stoned | Use this form to register for a serial number. Due to load, expect your serial number to be emailed to you in a few days. |
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| 15:31.08 | acemi | thunar1: I added "options snd-hda-intel model=lenovo" at the end of the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 15:31.17 | stoned | why are you making this bullshit non-free announcement here? |
| 15:31.21 | mhymn | thunar1: i solve my sound problem by compiling the last version of alsa myself, using a newer kernel version ( if there is any ) might help too |
| 15:31.27 | stoned | what exactly has changed? a free serial? no money, the shit is still non-free. |
| 15:31.32 | acemi | you must change the model part according to your pc |
| 15:31.41 | meyou | free as in beer |
| 15:31.45 | thunar1 | mhymn: is this new enough? 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:31.58 | mhymn | i think so |
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| 15:32.26 | omry|work | stoned, I am making it here because I personally find it an interesting offer and I think many people would find it interesting as well. |
| 15:32.34 | mhymn | thunar1: as for me, .25-2 was enoguh |
| 15:32.39 | stoned | omry|work, try ##linux |
| 15:32.46 | stoned | omry|work, this is not the place for it. |
| 15:32.58 | thunar1 | It's weird, I just ran alsaconf and now my system sees the chip, but when I play a sound it does not work. |
| 15:33.11 | stoned | thunar1, mixer levels? /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 15:36.31 | Demosthenes | i'm looking at converting an existing lenny installation that uses LVM over to LVM on software encryption. |
| 15:36.37 | Demosthenes | anyone know a good howto? |
| 15:37.09 | Demosthenes | otherwise, i intend to dd off each of my LV's to a USB drive, create an encrypted partition and recreate my VG, and then with freshly created LV's dd the data back over each LV. |
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| 15:40.30 | jelly | I'd like ideas on how to remotely copy block-based devices in an incremental way. The sources block devices are preexistant and not part of LVM or similar |
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| 15:40.53 | jelly | alternately, s/incremental/fast/ |
| 15:41.10 | ttyS1 | Hello, I'm getting no audio when I try to play youtube videos on iceweasel but sound works on other programs. |
| 15:42.21 | stoned | ttyS1, I'm not sure but you may need alsa-oss ? |
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| 15:45.38 | ttyS1 | stoned: I tried installing alsa-oss and set ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" but still have no audio |
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| 15:46.54 | stoned | hmm |
| 15:46.58 | stoned | yeh thats the only fix I know of |
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| 15:47.36 | stoned | ttyS1, which flash plugin do you have? |
| 15:47.42 | stoned | adobe, or free? |
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| 15:47.49 | ttyS1 | hum, not sure |
| 15:47.56 | stoned | about:plugins |
| 15:48.52 | ttyS1 | File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115 |
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| 15:50.13 | ttyS1 | stoned: is that the one I should use ? |
| 15:50.31 | Eulex | ttyS1, define 'other programs'. which ones? all? |
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| 15:52.13 | ttyS1 | actually only Rythmbox is working |
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| 15:52.23 | Eulex | ttyS1, are you running esd? |
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| 15:53.07 | ttyS1 | Eulex: not sure which I'm running |
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| 15:55.12 | ttyS1 | Eulex: ok, yes I'm using ESD |
| 15:55.50 | Eulex | ttyS1, try installing libesd-alsa0 |
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| 16:02.38 | ttyS1 | Eulex: just installed it but I still get no audio |
| 16:02.53 | Eulex | ttyS1, did you do anything that would restart esd? |
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| 16:04.52 | garu | hi everyone |
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| 16:05.23 | braunkraut | good day |
| 16:05.25 | ttyS1 | Eulex: no, I tried /etc/init.d/alsa reload just now to seee if it would make any difference but still the same |
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| 16:05.45 | braunkraut | anyone know what I need to do to get middle button emulation working in x-org |
| 16:05.47 | garu | hi everyone... |
| 16:05.58 | Eulex | ttyS1, you could try loggin in and out, or seeing if there's an esd init script somewhere. |
| 16:05.58 | garu | just installing debian etch to use as a server... |
| 16:06.00 | braunkraut | seems like it stopped working after a etch->lenny dist-upgrade |
| 16:07.00 | funky | I remember it was possible to modify the weitght of the fields shown in dpkg, but I don't remember the apt variable, do any of you remmeber it? |
| 16:07.34 | garu | just installing debian etch to use as a server...when I'm asked if I want separate directories... should I say yes or no?if I say no, is it possible to cange afterwords?have never used debian before, I'm a ubuntu desktop user! |
| 16:07.57 | Eulex | garu, separate directories for what? |
| 16:08.30 | Eulex | also, most such options have descriptions, and also says what you 'usually want' |
| 16:08.43 | garu | Eulex for /home /etc /usr /var! |
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| 16:08.54 | Eulex | garu, you decide. |
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| 16:09.11 | mhymn | braunkraut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:09.49 | mhymn | oh |
| 16:09.51 | Eulex | garu, but usually putting at least /home on a separate partition is a good deal. on a server you might want to put /usr on a separate partition too. if you have a special setup (boot-wise') |
| 16:10.05 | braunkraut | mhymn: I don't recall that prompting me for emulate 3 buttons |
| 16:10.06 | Eulex | ...then you might want to put /boot on a separate partition too |
| 16:10.11 | garu | Eulex never had to make any decisions with ubunt (which is based on debian).and in ubuntu, I have a /home directory and then a /usr /etc and so on.There was another option that said "all in one directory"! |
| 16:10.17 | braunkraut | nevermind though I found the option, just going to do it form hand |
| 16:10.18 | ttyS1 | Eulex: I killed the esd process and restarted it, it's working now. Thanks a lot :) |
| 16:10.43 | Eulex | garu, it doesn't say directory. it says partition. do you know what a partition is? |
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| 16:11.03 | garu | Eulex just trying to get a server for samba and ldap! |
| 16:11.37 | garu | Eulex yep I do. yeah, it said partition.I was confused.lol |
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| 16:12.31 | Eulex | garu, if you don't care/don't want to decide, just put them on the same partition. it is however nice to have important stuff split out onto separate partitions, if there is a disaster and your fs is corrupted, and also it's nice when you reinstall. |
| 16:12.43 | garu | Eulex I chose the "All in one" which is the one that was recommended for beginners |
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| 16:13.18 | Eulex | garu, I wouldn't say that beginners are recommended to try setting up samba and ldap, though. |
| 16:13.32 | beardy | Also nice to have the /home by itself, atleast. |
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| 16:14.04 | garu | Eulex that samba and ldap is not a matter of prefference. Final Year Project :o! |
| 16:14.05 | garu | lol |
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| 16:15.33 | garu | Eulex beardy so, If I choose "All in one", I'm not going to have the same I get in ubuntu?like /home in one directory, and then another for /etc and another for /usr and so on? |
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| 16:16.17 | Eulex | garu, you will. they will be on the same partition, though, and not split up onto two or more. |
| 16:16.23 | Mech422 | hi all... |
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| 16:17.17 | Mech422 | anyone know off-hand if applying the updates to fix the ssl vuln. (which re-generates server keys) will break existing ssl certs for websites on the server ? (ie is the https cert. tied to the servers keys ? ) |
| 16:17.33 | ShishKabab | Hello. Could anyone help me get my media keys on my keyboard to work (in KDE)? |
| 16:18.05 | Eulex | Mech422, server's keys? you mean ssh keys? no. |
| 16:18.16 | garu | Eulex humn...ok...that's not really a problem...I got all in one partition in ubuntu...so, that should be fine...just had to use debian as the server because I keep hearing "debian rocks" or "debian is rock solid" and especially because of how ridiculous ubuntu server is for the simple fact that u can't login as root! |
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| 16:18.28 | Mech422 | Eulex: yes, the servers private/public key pair |
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| 16:18.42 | Eulex | Mech422, that's only for ssh. |
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| 16:18.51 | pettals_ | hi, i am getting the following error while installing gnome . I am using debian lenny. I have pasted the error in http://pastebin.com/d5c16e5bf. |
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| 16:19.05 | Mech422 | Eulex: it gets regenerated as part of the update - which causes ssh to complain - so I wondered if it broke https certs too ? |
| 16:19.13 | pettals_ | even though i try to do apt-get -f install , it still not getting resolved |
| 16:19.26 | Mech422 | Eulex: ahh - so it has no effect on existing web certs ? Cool :-) Thanks |
| 16:19.34 | Lagbolt | pettals_, what are you trying to fix? |
| 16:19.42 | Eulex | Mech422, https certs should certainly be regenerated too. I don't know whether the update automatically regenerates ssl certs too, though. I don't believe it does. |
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| 16:20.01 | pettals_ | Lagbolt: i saw that most of the packages are not installed. that is gnome is fully installed |
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| 16:20.25 | Mech422 | eulex: the problem is, I have a thawte cert that I need to re-issue - but I don't want the site 'broken' while waiting for the cert to be re-issued |
| 16:20.32 | thunar1 | Why does /proc/meminfo say MemTotal: 2059520 kB when my system has 4GB physical memory? |
| 16:20.33 | Lagbolt | pettals_, dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:20.35 | Lagbolt | i think that will do it |
| 16:20.40 | Lagbolt | anyone know if i have that right? |
| 16:21.29 | Eulex | Mech422, was the cert generated using debian with an affected openssl version? |
| 16:21.31 | Mech422 | thunar1: thats odd - are you using Xen or something to limit the amount of memory it 'sees' ? |
| 16:21.33 | Eulex | thunar1, what kernel? |
| 16:21.39 | pettals_ | Lagbolt: it still returns the same dependency problems |
| 16:21.41 | Mech422 | Eulex: yes, it was |
| 16:21.48 | Lagbolt | pettals_, can you pastebin the output? |
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| 16:21.58 | pettals_ | yes |
| 16:22.00 | thunar1 | Eulex: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 16:22.09 | thunar1 | Mech422: No I haven't installed Xen |
| 16:22.29 | Mech422 | thunar1: not booting with mem= or anything like that ? |
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| 16:22.40 | thunar1 | Mech422: No just doing a regular boot |
| 16:22.52 | stew | pettals_: /msg dpkg update-xmlcatalog bug |
| 16:22.52 | Eulex | Mech422, you should be aware that anyone can pretend to be your server. and also, 'men in the middle' can decrypt the traffic. |
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| 16:23.14 | Eulex | garu, ubuntu can be setup to allow root login. by default it is disable, however. |
| 16:23.25 | Mech422 | Eulex: yes, I'm going to do the update - I'm just trying to figure out how to do it with the least interruption of https service |
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| 16:23.58 | Mech422 | thunar1: I'm running 2.6.26-1-amd64 and it shows all 6G here... |
| 16:24.15 | Eulex | Mech422, generate a new certificate, send it off for signing, replace the old one with the new one when you get it back signed. |
| 16:24.22 | Mech422 | thunar1: you sure you read the sticks right ? maybe they were 1G sticks not 2G ? |
| 16:24.24 | Eulex | thunar1, does your bios see the full 4gb? |
| 16:24.37 | thunar1 | Mech422: I'm running i686 kernel |
| 16:24.48 | pettals_ | Lagbolt: here 's the paste bin url http://pastebin.com/m14c36fd2 |
| 16:24.56 | thunar1 | Eulex: Yea my BIOS saw only 3GB until I went in and enabled the Memory Remap setting. Then it saw all 4GB. |
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| 16:25.19 | Mech422 | Eulex: right - upgrade, generates new CSR - now, at this point is the _existing_ cert broken ? |
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| 16:25.59 | Eulex | Mech422, I don't believe the upgrade regenerates the certificate. how would it even know where you store it? |
| 16:26.00 | p3u | hi #debian |
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| 16:26.39 | Mech422 | Eulex: ok - I was just concerned about the servers public/private key pair - but thats just for ssh, so I should be ok... |
| 16:26.56 | p3u | is there a way to have 2 clients ssh viewing the same thing ? |
| 16:27.09 | Lagbolt | pettals_, did you see the link from dpkg about that? |
| 16:27.12 | stew | p3u: screen -x? |
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| 16:27.23 | p3u | but both can execute commands ? |
| 16:27.28 | Mech422 | p3u: vnc ? |
| 16:27.38 | pettals_ | Lagbolt : i am not getting u |
| 16:27.38 | stew | p3u: yes, with screen -x |
| 16:27.42 | Mech422 | p3u: vnc has an ssh tunnel option I believe |
| 16:27.47 | p3u | Mech422: i only have sshd running |
| 16:28.09 | Lagbolt | !tell pettals_ about update-xmlcatalog bug |
| 16:28.17 | adnc | does someone know if php5 is available from any other sources? the version 5.2.0-8+etch13 or any related module is forcing segfaults within other applications. |
| 16:28.20 | p3u | stew: thank you, i'll try i wasn't sure it was possible |
| 16:28.22 | Eulex | thunar1, you could try a bigmem or amd64 kernel, but other than that, I guess I wouldn't know what to do. |
| 16:28.44 | pettals_ | Lagbolt: ok it's that a bug, but what do i do now ? :-) |
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| 16:28.52 | stew | p3u: have one person login, and run, for instance "screen -S foo" to create and join a screen named foo. then have the second person login and run "screen -x foo" to join the first person's screen |
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| 16:29.04 | thunar1 | Eulex: if I switch to the amd64 kernel, what would happen to all my user programs that are 32-bit? |
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| 16:29.09 | p3u | stew: thank you |
| 16:29.18 | stew | thunar1: nothing |
| 16:29.33 | thunar1 | stew: they still work? |
| 16:29.35 | Lagbolt | pettals_, well i would start by reading that page and seeing how anyone fixed it |
| 16:29.37 | stew | thunar1: yes |
| 16:29.43 | thunar1 | alrighty thanks |
| 16:30.00 | Eulex | thunar1, amd64 processors can execute 32-bit code. otherwise, how would your current 32-bit os work? |
| 16:30.41 | p3u | stew: it's exactly what i wanted to do ! ;) |
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| 16:31.18 | pettals_ | Lagbolt: doing that now :-) |
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| 16:32.04 | thunar1 | Eulex: well wouldn't it be better if the amd64 processor was executing both the kernel and all the user applications in 64-bit, instead of one in 64-bit and the other in 32-bit? |
| 16:32.27 | stew | thunar1: better how? |
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| 16:32.57 | Eulex | thunar1, yes of course, you can re-install and get a full debian amd64 system if you please. however, note that some binary-only applications or plugins are not available |
| 16:33.10 | thunar1 | stew: not sure because I dont know how it works. but I was thinking that it may take time to switch between the 2 modes, or some other negative effect. |
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| 16:35.09 | Eulex | thunar1, there are no separate modes, I believe. |
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| 16:37.42 | jelly | Eulex: actually, there are separate modes, that's why you can run an i386 OS on it :-) |
| 16:38.11 | Eulex | jelly, hmm, I was believing the opcodes where backwards compatible? they're not? |
| 16:38.24 | jelly | thunar1: an -amd64 linux kernel has specific support for 32bit userspace, so the userspace doesn't notice much |
| 16:38.50 | jelly | Eulex: they're not forwards compatible though |
| 16:39.09 | Anthro | I have a box running etch as a router. I'm trying to figure out whether the problem it's having is hardware or software/config. It keeps spitting this to console every few seconds: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready |
| 16:39.13 | Eulex | jelly, yes, but is that a problem when running 32-bit applications in 64-bit mode? |
| 16:39.31 | jelly | Eulex: if the kernel is built with 32bit userspace support, no |
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| 16:41.09 | jelly | Eulex: that's just an option though, you could build and use a kernel without i386 support |
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| 16:41.46 | thunar1 | is the debian amd64 built with i386 support? |
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| 16:42.00 | thunar1 | 32-bit userspace support I mean |
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| 16:42.22 | Eulex | thunar1, yes. |
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| 16:42.26 | wwasher | rah! alsa has konked out but i can't seem to find the files that are locking it .. mplayer says that /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is used. which process & files can i kill to recover? |
| 16:43.07 | stew | wwasher: "fuser /dev/snd/*" would tell you |
| 16:43.13 | wwasher | i suppose i could also say that i rm'd /dev/snd/pcm.. |
| 16:43.16 | wwasher | stew : thanks |
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| 16:45.29 | pettals_ | Lagbolt : i removed the old docbook-xml and reinstalled the new one.. will boot now to see if it's done properly |
| 16:45.37 | d-b | jelly: lulz |
| 16:45.43 | Lagbolt | pettals_, boot? |
| 16:45.49 | Lagbolt | pettals_, did the rest of packages configure? |
| 16:46.04 | pettals_ | yes they got configured |
| 16:46.16 | Lagbolt | pettals_, you shouldnt have to reboot, restart gnome |
| 16:46.17 | d-b | pettals_: kernel too ? |
| 16:48.27 | thunar1 | what's ia32libs? |
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| 16:49.11 | pettals_ | how do i restart gnome ? |
| 16:50.01 | rafajsp | invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 16:50.10 | thunar1 | pettals_: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 16:50.15 | rafajsp | :) |
| 16:50.22 | rafajsp | he leave |
| 16:50.29 | thunar1 | hehe |
| 16:50.45 | isBEKaml | heh! too fast! :) |
| 16:51.05 | Akuw | urgent |
| 16:51.08 | rafajsp | i think he got it ... |
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| 16:51.23 | Akuw | i need to know how much files have a directory of a given size in KB |
| 16:51.26 | Akuw | please help |
| 16:51.31 | thunar1 | man ls |
| 16:51.34 | stew | Akuw: use du |
| 16:51.36 | Akuw | man |
| 16:51.43 | Akuw | the client is waiting for that |
| 16:51.46 | n3kl | I just installed phpmyadmin, and the site works now, but how does apache know to load the config? |
| 16:51.48 | Akuw | please |
| 16:52.10 | Akuw | Abrotman: |
| 16:52.12 | stew | Akuw: what do you mean by "files have a directory"? |
| 16:52.12 | Akuw | help |
| 16:52.18 | Akuw | i have one dir |
| 16:52.28 | Akuw | and that dir i have 10.000 files |
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| 16:52.41 | stew | Akuw: please don't hit enter so often, just put it all on one line |
| 16:52.45 | Akuw | i need to know how many files have more that 220KB |
| 16:52.46 | rafajsp | you will have to use "find" if you want to specify the size |
| 16:52.51 | stew | Akuw: use find |
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| 16:54.08 | isBEKaml | Akuw: or use AWK, you could get that out simply by piping the ls output to it. |
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| 16:56.15 | Akuw | damm |
| 16:56.27 | Akuw | how i can do it with find |
| 16:56.28 | Akuw | çpleadse |
| 16:56.40 | stew | Akuw: "info find" then go to "Finding Files" then "By Size" |
| 16:56.40 | SidGBF | do what? |
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| 16:57.31 | SidGBF | what are the differences between lenny, sid and etch? |
| 16:57.51 | et | is there a way to prevent services from starting when installing/updating packages? |
| 16:57.58 | isBEKaml | SidGBF: Release notes? |
| 16:58.02 | rafajsp | find and use -size nSIZEk or nSIZEM or nSIZEG |
| 16:58.04 | Anthro | SidGBF: Level of stability and testing. |
| 16:59.02 | SidGBF | where foo is the most kamikaze and bar is the most secure. Wich is foo and wich is bar? |
| 16:59.38 | Eulex | SidGBF, etch, lenny, sid, in that order from stable to unstable. |
| 16:59.39 | stew | SidGBF: etch is stable, it generally doesn't change except for security updcates. lenny is currently tesing. it will become stable soonish, it is currently frozen, and therefore only getting updates from sid/unstable in order to fix the rest of the bugs in order to get it to release. sid is unstable, package which are completely untested can be uploaded to it at any time |
| 16:59.42 | Anthro | SidGBF: sid is the nickname for unstable, and always will be. etch is currently stable and lenny is testing. |
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| 17:00.10 | SeveredCross | What's the new testing going to be called? |
| 17:00.20 | stew | SeveredCross: squeeze |
| 17:00.36 | ameyer | what about squeeze+1? |
| 17:00.44 | Eulex | not decided |
| 17:00.49 | stew | ameyer: that will be decided when squeeze is close to release |
| 17:00.49 | SeveredCross | Aha. |
| 17:00.53 | ameyer | you guys have to be running out of toy story characters. |
| 17:01.02 | SidGBF | what's the most recent release of etch? I mean, the date of it... |
| 17:01.13 | stew | SidGBF: friday |
| 17:01.52 | SidGBF | stew: every friday or, last 24th? |
| 17:02.03 | n3kl | How can I get a list of active swap? |
| 17:02.10 | stew | SidGBF: no, the most recent one happened 4 days ago |
| 17:02.11 | dustybin | this is what debian website looked like in 1997: http://web.archive.org/web/19970414140611/http://www.debian.org/ |
| 17:02.17 | stew | SidGBF: so yes, 24th |
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| 17:02.42 | dustybin | "the universal operating system" :) |
| 17:02.48 | SidGBF | btw... some works on Debian's website design would be a good thing |
| 17:02.56 | zizzfizzix | n3kl: type: free |
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| 17:03.12 | jelly | dustybin: yay for discovering archive.org! |
| 17:03.25 | stew | SidGBF: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www and http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org |
| 17:03.50 | abrotman | ameyer: quite a few left |
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| 17:04.10 | n3kl | I want a list of the active swap partitions on my system, not the available swap. |
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| 17:04.35 | jelly | n3kl: /proc/swaps |
| 17:04.47 | n3kl | jelly: nice! Thanks |
| 17:05.12 | blubberdiblub | or "swapon -s" |
| 17:05.29 | simonrvn | swapon -s.. heh |
| 17:05.42 | n3kl | I reinstalled my xen server without xen, and the install auto enabled all the lvm swap partitions. I don't really think I need 20G of swap |
| 17:05.47 | micols | my links i got from apt doesn't support SSL, can i reinstall it with ssl enabled without compiling somehow, is it as an extra package or do i need either compile or apt src build? |
| 17:06.26 | stew | judd: depends links |
| 17:06.27 | judd | stew: links -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1) |
| 17:06.28 | Eulex | micols, install elinks. |
| 17:06.35 | stew | judd: depends links --release lenny |
| 17:06.35 | judd | stew: links -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 17:06.41 | Eulex | judd: depends elinks |
| 17:06.42 | stew | ahh, looks like it was added after etch |
| 17:06.42 | judd | Eulex: elinks -- Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0), libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), liblua50 (>= 5.0.3), liblualib50 (>= 5.0.3), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf |
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| 17:07.00 | stew | yeah, elinks has a gnutls dependency |
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| 17:07.22 | micols | Eulex: what is elinks, not in my apt.? |
| 17:07.40 | micols | i am using etch, and i need ssl links for my server |
| 17:07.43 | stew | micols: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:07.47 | stew | it should be in etch |
| 17:07.55 | Eulex | micols, it should be, it's in etch, testing and unstable |
| 17:08.02 | rafajsp | etch does not have elinks |
| 17:08.04 | stew | judd: versions elinks |
| 17:08.04 | judd | stew: elinks: 0.11.1-1.2etch1 (etch) 0.11.1-1.2etch1 (etch-security) 0.11.4-3 (lenny) 0.12~pre2.dfsg0-1 (sid) |
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| 17:08.16 | stew | rafajsp: it seems to have 0.11.1-1.2etch1 |
| 17:08.19 | rafajsp | at least mine doens |
| 17:08.27 | rafajsp | doesn't |
| 17:08.30 | Eulex | etch has elinks |
| 17:08.31 | micols | weird i just couldnt apt-cache show it |
| 17:08.31 | Gm4n | why does mount show /dev/md0 as rw, but touch asdf gives "read-only filesystem"? |
| 17:08.34 | micols | but i could install it :) |
| 17:08.46 | micols | even after apt updating it couldn't show it, but only install it |
| 17:09.01 | micols | but after install i could apt show it :) |
| 17:09.08 | Eulex | micols, odd, my etch system could do both. |
| 17:09.24 | rafajsp | sorry ... typo |
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| 17:09.24 | jelly | Gm4n: there could have been errors detected by the kernel and fs remounted ro (without /etc/mtab being updated) |
| 17:09.30 | wwasher | i keep getting an error in the setup script for the kernel 2.6.26-8 |
| 17:09.35 | rafajsp | mine is showing |
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| 17:09.44 | Gm4n | jelly: well, it's a raid device with one HD missing, and I didn't have a chance to fail it out gracefully |
| 17:10.01 | Gm4n | but when I try to remove the missing drive from the raid, I get "mdadm: cannot find /dev/sdb1" |
| 17:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, if /etc/mtab is on the same device, it can't be updated |
| 17:10.27 | Gm4n | it is on the same device |
| 17:10.28 | MUTU | I have one of the most noobish questions of the day :) how do i get something to run on startup under a user account and not under root? |
| 17:10.41 | jelly | Gm4n: by itself, that shouldn't have caused an error on the md device. Check dmesg / /var/log/kern.log |
| 17:10.44 | stew | /proc/mounts would be updated though |
| 17:11.25 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think kernel would go and touch /etc/mtab anyway! |
| 17:11.26 | Gm4n | it says detected aborted journal, and remounting read-only |
| 17:11.34 | Gm4n | how do I force the journal? |
| 17:11.42 | jelly | Gm4n: you don't. |
| 17:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, that's quite normal... being read-only, /etc/mtab can't be updated and so keeps showing the last state |
| 17:12.00 | Eulex | MUTU, su - user -c "echo hello" |
| 17:12.14 | jelly | Gm4n: reboot, repair the md device, fsck |
| 17:12.35 | stew | MUTU: you can use @reboot in a crontab (man 5 crontab ; man 1 crontab) |
| 17:12.35 | Gm4n | wow, funny. w shows no users ;) |
| 17:13.05 | stew | MUTU: if it is a service that is starting from an /etc/init.d script, you can likely change the user in that script, perhaps with start-stop-daemon |
| 17:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, mtab is normally kept up-to-date ... and it's (or used to be) what you get to see when you just type "mount" |
| 17:13.14 | MUTU | Eulex: can you please explain in more beginner terms? I managed to create a script in init.d that runs on startup but i now need it to run something under a specific user account. |
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| 17:13.25 | Gm4n | jelly: will the md device repair itself on reboot? |
| 17:13.27 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: kept up to date by the mount command, not the kernel |
| 17:13.30 | stew | MUTU: are you using start-stop-daemon to start the daemon? |
| 17:13.36 | jelly | Gm4n: I don't think so! |
| 17:13.40 | MUTU | stew: no idea what that is. |
| 17:13.42 | Gm4n | uhoh, so how do I repair it? |
| 17:13.59 | stew | MUTU: take a look at "man start-stop-daemon" |
| 17:14.06 | jelly | Gm4n: this is where your knowledge of md raid comes in, I guess |
| 17:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | MUTU, perhaps it would be beneficial if you told us what your really want to do... perhaps you don't even need a custom script to do it because there are ready-made solutions |
| 17:14.10 | isBEKaml | MUTU: did you model your script on the lines of the skeleton script shown in /etc/init.d? |
| 17:14.22 | Gm4n | jelly: the problem is, this is a remote system |
| 17:14.32 | jelly | Gm4n: it usually involves messing with mdadm command and replacing the dead disk |
| 17:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, hm, I've never bothered *who* keeps it up-to-date... but it's normally the reason that mount shows a rw partition and it's not *shrug* |
| 17:15.31 | MUTU | CutMeOwnThroat: I need to run "/root/hamachi-0.9.9.9-20-lnx/tuncfg/tuncfg" under 'root' followed by "hamachi start" under the account 'mutu' |
| 17:16.46 | MUTU | CutMeOwnThroat: rephrase... tuncfg can run under 'mutu' as well |
| 17:17.05 | MUTU | if i chown a script in init.d will it run under that user? |
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| 17:18.18 | oOarthurOo | Hi, just got my free copy of crossover office pro, but I'm not sure how to install it. It's a file that ends in sh |
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| 17:18.37 | Gm4n | sh filename.sh |
| 17:18.45 | oOarthurOo | If anyone wants a copy and hasn't got it yet, you should grab it before time runs out. |
| 17:18.51 | oOarthurOo | thanks Gm4n |
| 17:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | MUTU, no, only if you set the suid-flag (and even then, possibly not as there are restrictions for scripts) |
| 17:18.56 | stew | oOarthurOo: did it not come with installation instructions? |
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| 17:19.04 | abrotman | oOarthurOo: wrong channel |
| 17:19.29 | oOarthurOo | The website is down.... so they're not available. And I'm on Debian, and need help installing a file. Seems appropriate to me. |
| 17:19.37 | Lagbolt | stew, no it doesnt. the site is streamlined because of the pounding its taking, you just get the .sh files |
| 17:19.39 | abrotman | no, ask them for support, not us |
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| 17:20.04 | garaguas | i have some applications using gtk with a menu bar, but they are running without showing the menu bar, what package could be missing and/or bad configurated? |
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| 17:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | he might be right here, if he's asking on how to make a package of it :-p |
| 17:21.04 | esaym | what is a good console based irc program? |
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| 17:21.22 | Gm4n | irssi |
| 17:21.25 | MUTU | from init.d, how do i run "hamachi start" under the user mutu please? |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | !tell MUTU about run at startup |
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| 17:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | MUTU, in principle what stew told you - also, there should be an init script coming with the software.... and or have a look at the ones that are already present... |
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| 17:24.36 | zizzfizzix | could someone check if my udev rule is right? |
| 17:24.38 | MUTU | but i already made my own init script |
| 17:24.57 | stew | MUTU: use start-stop-daemon or su |
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| 17:27.37 | Gm4n | how does a fresh etch install boot into "recovery mode" (or something similar)? |
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| 17:29.37 | zizzfizzix | is there someone who's familiar with udev rules? |
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| 17:29.55 | zizzfizzix | could he/she check if it will work? http://paste.debian.net/20183/ |
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| 17:33.48 | Lagbolt | zizzfizzix, looks ok to me. |
| 17:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, depends what you want - you can give the option "single" to the kernel to go to single-user-mode or "init=/bin/bash" to just get a bash instead of all other processes |
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| 17:34.10 | n3kl | Is there a problem with your rule? Have you tested it? I don't notice any problems |
| 17:34.14 | Lagbolt | zizzfizzix, i wouldnt rm -r anything tho |
| 17:34.26 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: I think "single" is what I want; then I can fdisk the volume, right? |
| 17:34.30 | zizzfizzix | Lagbolt: but it seems that it doesn't work, i need to reinit something or something? |
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| 17:34.48 | Lagbolt | zizzfizzix, if the dir is unmounted it should be empty and use rmdir |
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| 17:35.21 | n3kl | zizzfizzix: you have to udevadm reload_rules or something like that if I remember correctly |
| 17:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, guess so... will still have to remount / read-only, I'd think (which is the only prequisite for doing fsck anyways) |
| 17:36.38 | zizzfizzix | n3kl: i have no udevadm |
| 17:36.51 | n3kl | um, are you root? |
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| 17:37.32 | zizzfizzix | n3kl: not doing anything from root, only when it needs this (i'll try) |
| 17:37.37 | n3kl | er, its udevadm control -reload_rules |
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| 17:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | zizzfizzix, package udev |
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| 17:39.25 | zizzfizzix | i have it, and with su it looks like it ran |
| 17:39.39 | zizzfizzix | but still no action when i plug my device :/ |
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| 17:39.57 | KenLaptop | Anyone know what package buildconf is in? |
| 17:40.20 | themill | dpkg: tell KenLaptop about apt-file |
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| 17:41.40 | zizzfizzix | Lagbolt: i've reloaded with: udevadm control -reload_rules and it doesn't work |
| 17:41.54 | zizzfizzix | Lagbolt: d'you know what's the matter? |
| 17:42.49 | Lagbolt | zizzfizzix, how did you get the information about the deivce? |
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| 17:43.26 | KenLaptop | themill: Wierd - it doesn't say it has it. |
| 17:43.40 | zizzfizzix | Lagbolt: lsusb |
| 17:43.57 | themill | KenLaptop: did you "apt-file update" prior to using apt-file search? |
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| 17:44.26 | KenLaptop | Yes |
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| 17:45.14 | themill | KenLaptop: it comes up as being in the "tiger" package. |
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| 17:47.29 | Lagbolt | zizzfizzix, did you read anything like this http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree |
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| 17:47.57 | zizzfizzix | Lagbolt: yes but i thing vendor and dev id will fit the rules |
| 17:48.01 | zizzfizzix | think* |
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| 17:50.08 | mac123 | i want to unrar a file on debain etch is there any thing i can use |
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| 17:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "unrar"? |
| 17:50.42 | mac123 | its a winrar file |
| 17:50.44 | jelly | or even "rar" |
| 17:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "unp" (which will just use unrar anyways) |
| 17:51.01 | mac123 | .rar file i want to extract it |
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| 17:51.09 | jelly | mac123: /msg dpkg non-free, there's rar in there |
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| 17:51.29 | jelly | judd: versions rar |
| 17:51.30 | judd | jelly: rar: 1:3.7b1-2 (etch/non-free) 1:3.8b3-1 (lenny/non-free) 1:3.8.0-1 (sid/non-free) |
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| 17:52.46 | dsmelk | jelly: apt-get install unrar |
| 17:52.48 | jelly | perhaps I should have told mac123 to "/msg dpkg non-free sources" |
| 17:53.58 | mac123 | apt-get install unrar not working |
| 17:53.58 | jelly | dsmelk: not me. and unrar can't handle all |
| 17:53.58 | mac123 | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:53.58 | dsmelk | mac123: try apt-get install unrar-free |
| 17:54.06 | zizzfizzix | mac123: apt-get install p7zip |
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| 17:54.22 | jelly | mac123: do what I told you, the bot will point you how to enable the non-free part of the repository |
| 17:54.23 | zizzfizzix | mac123: it's better and opens more archives types |
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| 17:54.57 | mac123 | ok doin |
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| 17:56.17 | ovnicraft | hi, i'm new on debian i want to know what pkg use to give up ftp server |
| 17:56.42 | ovnicraft | aptitude install ftp-server says is a virtual pkg |
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| 17:56.59 | mac123 | dpkg is a bot right ? |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | mac123: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:57.19 | Si1ver1ock | is there a command to find current cpu usage? |
| 17:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that answers it? :) |
| 17:57.21 | jelly | mac123: yes |
| 17:57.27 | mac123 | ahh thx |
| 17:57.27 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: you need select a type of ftp server you want to install |
| 17:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Si1ver1ock, "top"? |
| 17:57.37 | jelly | zizzfizzix: p7zip cannot open rar files. |
| 17:57.49 | ovnicraft | dsmelk, yes i know but what? |
| 17:58.09 | jelly | zizzfizzix: which release did you try? |
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| 17:58.12 | nergoza | hi all |
| 17:58.19 | Si1ver1ock | CutMeOwnThroat: looking for a single number like 98% or something... could use grep maybe |
| 17:58.22 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: virtual packages refer other packages |
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| 17:58.26 | nergoza | i have a problem with a server that i had from hosting company |
| 17:58.28 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: only that |
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| 17:58.32 | nergoza | it cant resolve any hostname |
| 17:58.43 | nergoza | i didnt touch the /etc/resolve.conf file |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | ovnicraft: most people choose vsftpd or proftpd |
| 17:58.51 | zizzfizzix | jelly: you're right, sry :( |
| 17:58.51 | nergoza | i dont need to because its a dedicated server |
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| 17:59.03 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: do you can sue protfpd |
| 17:59.06 | mac123 | @ jelly thx for ur help |
| 17:59.06 | nergoza | it happens after i reboot the server from the first time i got it |
| 17:59.08 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: use* |
| 17:59.20 | nergoza | what service in debian controls the dns resolving |
| 17:59.24 | nergoza | maybe its not running |
| 17:59.33 | abrotman | dsmelk: now fix the other word :) |
| 17:59.36 | dsmelk | ovnicraft: proftpd is good |
| 18:00.07 | ovnicraft | thanks installed proftpd |
| 18:00.13 | nergoza | anyone please ?? |
| 18:00.25 | dsmelk | abrotman: sorry, my english is a trash |
| 18:00.25 | abrotman | nergoza: look in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:00.33 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
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| 18:00.42 | ovnicraft | now i see that postgresql 8.2 has not pkg for debian |
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| 18:00.52 | nergoza | abrotman there is nothing configured there |
| 18:00.59 | nergoza | like i said its a dedicated server |
| 18:01.01 | dsmelk | nergoza: what is you problem? |
| 18:01.03 | nergoza | i dont control the dns |
| 18:01.09 | ovnicraft | is posible install from src? without complicate the dependeces? |
| 18:01.11 | abrotman | nergoza: is your IP dhcp or static ? |
| 18:01.21 | abrotman | ovnicraft: use the packages where possible |
| 18:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | zizzfizzix, the non-free p7zip-rar package can open rar's, though - but I don't see why you would want to install some slightly strange p7zip instead of rar/unrar |
| 18:01.26 | nergoza | dhcp-fixed |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | uh .. what? |
| 18:01.36 | nergoza | dhcp |
| 18:01.46 | ovnicraft | s/dences/dencies |
| 18:01.48 | MUTU | If I exec a script /etc/init.d/hamachi, I get this error: -bash: /etc/init.d/hamachi: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory.... but if I SSH in and type in the commands manually under the root account, they all work. Any ideas? |
| 18:01.56 | zizzfizzix | CutMeOwnThroat: deb packages editing i.e. |
| 18:02.08 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: perhaps becuase p7zip-rar is cheaper |
| 18:02.20 | zizzfizzix | CutMeOwnThroat: i couldn't find anything else which could unpack it :/ |
| 18:02.24 | n3kl | MUTU: in the first line on teh script, you have /bin/sh^M, it should be /bin/sh |
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| 18:02.48 | nergoza | abrotman ? |
| 18:02.58 | abrotman | !tell nergoza about resolv.conf |
| 18:03.07 | zizzfizzix | n3kl: i think he just pressed some button on keyboard ;) |
| 18:03.11 | stew | oh, no p7zip-rar is just another copy of rar |
| 18:03.22 | MUTU | n3kl I don't see the ^M anywhere |
| 18:03.22 | n3kl | zizzfizzix: ha |
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| 18:03.46 | n3kl | cat -A script | head -n 1 |
| 18:03.46 | stew | oh, no p7zip-rar is still gratis |
| 18:03.50 | jelly | stew: copy of? |
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| 18:04.25 | MUTU | n3kl: here is my script: http://www.pastebin.ca/1238825 |
| 18:04.38 | zizzfizzix | i'm looking for udev (rules writer) guru |
| 18:04.57 | n3kl | MUTU: first, try sh ./script.sh |
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| 18:05.25 | jelly | MUTU: your script was likely badly transferred from a Windows/DOS machine, run "perl -pi -e 's/\r//' scriptname" on it |
| 18:05.48 | n3kl | MUTU: don't know if this will really matter, but get rid of that ' ' between #! and /bin/sh |
| 18:05.55 | stew | n3kl: why? |
| 18:06.07 | jelly | n3kl: #! space here doesn't matter /bin/sh |
| 18:06.07 | n3kl | stew: why what? |
| 18:06.10 | stew | n3kl: #! /bin/sh is actually correct. #!/bin/sh is tollerated |
| 18:06.14 | n3kl | jelly: ah, ok |
| 18:06.36 | n3kl | jelly: does windows use ^M as is newline or something? |
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| 18:07.07 | jelly | n3kl: windows uses ^M^J (CRLF), unix uses just LF |
| 18:07.11 | stew | n3kl: windows and dos use \r\n between lines, mac uses \r and unix uses \n |
| 18:07.13 | jelly | !crlf |
| 18:07.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, crlf is carriage return line forward, or ask me about crlf->unix |
| 18:07.18 | jelly | meh. |
| 18:07.44 | n3kl | I see |
| 18:07.59 | MUTU | thinclient:~# sh /etc/init.d/hamachi |
| 18:07.59 | MUTU | : command not found: line 4: |
| 18:07.59 | MUTU | 'etc/init.d/hamachi: line 6: syntax error near unexpected token `in |
| 18:07.59 | MUTU | 'etc/init.d/hamachi: line 6: `case "$1" in |
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| 18:08.32 | jelly | MUTU: what does "file /etc/init.d/hamachi" say? |
| 18:08.45 | MUTU | http://www.pastebin.ca/1238825 |
| 18:08.55 | Stratman4300 | i've got a 32bit install of lenny inside a chroot on my 64bit lenny system. Networking does not work within the chroot. ANyone run into this problem??? |
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| 18:09.15 | Stratman4300 | the chroot should look at the 64bit varibles for the networking info right?? |
| 18:09.18 | keith4 | is there a simple way to boot someone from a debian system? i'm writing account deletion scripts... and obviously userdel fails if the user is logged in. there is a "force" option to userdel, but it scares me |
| 18:09.26 | jelly | MUTU: what does the command "file /etc/init.d/hamachi" say? |
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| 18:09.41 | MUTU | jelly: http://www.pastebin.ca/1238825 |
| 18:09.55 | jelly | MUTU: that's not it. please read what I said. |
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| 18:09.57 | GNUtoo | hello, is it possible to force the use of udhcpc in /etc/network/interface? and how do i do that? |
| 18:09.57 | MUTU | oh |
| 18:10.16 | MUTU | jelly: /etc/init.d/hamachi: Bourne shell script text executable |
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| 18:10.37 | jelly | hah. |
| 18:11.26 | jelly | MUTU: run "perl -pi -e 's/\r//' /etc/init.d/hamachi" |
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| 18:11.58 | meyou | that looks like h4x^ |
| 18:11.58 | jelly | MUTU: note the file size before and after that perl command |
| 18:12.11 | MUTU | i think that fixed it. will try rebooting |
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| 18:12.29 | MUTU | was that CR/LF vs LF battle? |
| 18:12.32 | larcen_ | hi all |
| 18:12.54 | jelly | MUTU: yes, the ^M and no visible error in paste is indicative of that |
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| 18:13.31 | jelly | MUTU: also, no need to su - root -c .... just run the command, you're already root |
| 18:13.35 | MUTU | jelly: thanks a lot |
| 18:13.51 | MUTU | jelly: what exactly is ^M? |
| 18:13.55 | jelly | CR |
| 18:14.11 | jelly | or \r, C syntax |
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| 18:14.20 | MUTU | damn it still didn't work. |
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| 18:14.28 | jelly | how did it not work? |
| 18:14.38 | MUTU | i mean the script executed because i see the "echo"s |
| 18:14.44 | tmm1 | any guides on building custom debian packages? |
| 18:14.49 | MUTU | but the commands did not work |
| 18:14.54 | ringo999 | if I want to install the lastest version of eclipse with aptitude, do I have to add special repositories? |
| 18:14.55 | stew | tmm1: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 18:14.58 | MUTU | hamachi did not start |
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| 18:15.26 | stew | MUTU: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/hamachi start" |
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| 18:16.26 | MUTU | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/1238836 |
| 18:17.10 | tmm1 | stew: awesome, thanks |
| 18:17.22 | stew | MUTU: that all looks fine |
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| 18:17.36 | keith4 | ringo999: what's the "latest" version of eclipse? |
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| 18:18.14 | MUTU | su - mutu -c "/usr/bin/hamachi start" just stopped doing anything. |
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| 18:19.10 | daemon | hey guys I need a simple proxy for my lan no authentification |
| 18:19.11 | daemon | nothing |
| 18:19.22 | _freebird | you guys, I've a debian samba pdc server, with the user america created on it, it log's ok thru windows xp, why if I shutdown the server pdc machine, I can still log into the domain with user 'america' ??? |
| 18:19.29 | daemon | I tried simpleproxy but I need to specify what I am proxying too which is not much user for what I need it for |
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| 18:19.37 | daemon | any of you guys know of anything I can use |
| 18:21.12 | MUTU | OK, everything's worked! woo! :) thanks guys |
| 18:21.55 | jelly | !customer |
| 18:21.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 18:22.14 | jelly | daemon: http proxy? |
| 18:22.17 | jelly | socks proxy? |
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| 18:22.29 | dustybin | how can one count the amount of files what might exist inside a directory? |
| 18:22.37 | daemon | jelly, its ok tinyproxy did it - just looking how do I tell the debian netinsetall to use a proxy |
| 18:22.55 | dustybin | (without entering sub directories) |
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| 18:23.20 | jelly | dustybin: find's -maxdepth 1 will limit the descent |
| 18:23.27 | dustybin | aye thanks |
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| 18:25.21 | ivangarcia | i need some help, how to exclude some files extensions from the .deb package ? let's say the files .ui for example |
| 18:25.34 | daemon | How would one use a proxy to install over |
| 18:25.38 | daemon | from the debian net install |
| 18:25.52 | stew | daemon: when it prompts you for the address of your proxy, enter the address? |
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| 18:26.14 | stew | ivangarcia: you are building a single binary pacakge from source? or what? |
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| 18:27.13 | ivangarcia | yeap, it's a python folder, so the .deb contains .py files inside |
| 18:27.35 | ivangarcia | stew, but some .ui files in that folder i don't want them to be inside the .deb |
| 18:28.04 | daemon | stew it did not prompt me it just asked me for a router address |
| 18:28.25 | daemon | or does it ask you after the network config |
| 18:28.43 | stew | ivangarcia: you can always "find debian/tmp -name \*.ui | xargs rm" in the install target after the files are copied in |
| 18:28.51 | stew | daemon: i don't recall when |
| 18:30.05 | ivangarcia | that is in the file named mypackage.install ? |
| 18:30.21 | ivangarcia | or in the rules:main targe |
| 18:30.29 | ivangarcia | sorry, rules(install: target) |
| 18:30.44 | stew | ivangarcia: somewhere in debian/rules |
| 18:30.49 | Anthro | I have a box running etch as a router. I'm trying to figure out whether the problem it's having is hardware or software/config. It keeps spitting this to console every few seconds: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready |
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| 18:31.16 | ivangarcia | thanks stew, let me try |
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| 18:31.23 | stew | Anthro: i'd guess hardware |
| 18:31.47 | simonrvn | would too |
| 18:32.30 | Stratman4300 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.38 | Stratman4300 | the chroot should look at the 64bit varibles for the networking info right?? |
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| 18:39.33 | tmm1 | does apt-get source get just the source or the debian/ dir required to build a .deb as well |
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| 18:43.40 | Matson | I have a display issue that appears in mutt and I'm not sure how I can fix it. Sometimes I get emails that are marked "text/plain, quoted, windows-1252" and many individual characters are rendered as "?" - like single quotes, double quotes, apostrophies, dashes, etc. - I assume because Windows is using some encoding that my system can't understand. Screenshot: http://208.69.42.194/scpfiles/1225217459.jpg |
| 18:43.46 | Matson | I've tried updating locates, utf8, "export LANG=en_US.iso88591", mutt settings, folder hooks, all of it. It appears that my issue is larger than just mutt - less ,emacs, and cat all cannot display it correctly. |
| 18:43.50 | Matson | I'm running mutt on a debian system, inside screen, and accessing it with Xwindows/xterm from a remote machine |
| 18:44.48 | Matson | ... anyone else dealt with windows-1252 rendering on debian? |
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| 18:47.35 | hetOrakel | hi, how about defrag? Does some do that and how? |
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| 18:48.19 | tmm1 | hetOrakel: no |
| 18:48.52 | hetOrakel | tmml: explain / more info does not harm me |
| 18:49.07 | tmm1 | hetOrakel: google |
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| 18:49.51 | asg | hetOrakel: /msg dpkg defrag |
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| 18:50.39 | jdrake | When I tell transmission to open the folder of a torrent, it opens up dolphin instead of nautilus. I believe it has been doing something like this for another app (using a kde one instead of gnome). Is there any way to fix this once and for all? |
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| 18:52.48 | windowsrefund | hello |
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| 18:53.12 | windowsrefund | is there a way I can purge all packages that I've removed via apt-get remove? |
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| 18:53.40 | asg | windowsrefund: dpkg -P them |
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| 18:54.37 | Azhrarn | Free Crossover today only apparently: http://gizmodo.com/5069889/dealzmodo-download-crossover-free-today-only |
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| 18:55.45 | jaalto | What is equivalent of "perl -cw SCRIPT" or "bash -nx SCRIPT" test for python programs? |
| 18:55.46 | Bladerunner05 | how to see if my installation is 32 or 64 bits? |
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| 18:56.03 | asg | jaalto: #python would know |
| 18:56.13 | stew | Bladerunner05: dpkg-architecture |
| 18:56.25 | jaalto | Some youngters banned me 2 years ago |
| 18:56.58 | Bladerunner05 | •stew• thanks.... i386 and i486 stands for 32bit |
| 18:57.02 | windowsrefund | asg, right but is there a way to say dpkg -P "all packages that have been uninstalled but can still be purged"? |
| 18:57.25 | windowsrefund | or does every package need to be explicitly named? |
| 18:57.31 | asg | windowsrefund: dpkg -l | grep ^rc (use awk to pull the package names and use xargs to dpkg -P them |
| 18:57.38 | asg | !beertime |
| 18:57.40 | Lagbolt | windowsrefund, i know synaptic has a thing for that |
| 18:57.57 | windowsrefund | asg, will do |
| 18:57.58 | asg | grumbles |
| 18:58.00 | Octalot | windowsrefund: aptitude has search patterns that should do it too |
| 18:58.00 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | from memory, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:58.11 | windowsrefund | ok |
| 18:58.24 | stew | jaalto: http://sandrotosi.blogspot.com/2008/08/debugging-python-scripts.html |
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| 18:58.31 | stew | Bladerunner05: yes |
| 18:58.48 | jpinx | I've just done a recovery from a hdd crash, but me screen resolution is bad - where do I fix that? |
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| 19:00.05 | jaalto | jpinx: /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 19:01.39 | jaalto | stew: That'd work. Thanks. |
| 19:01.42 | jpinx | jaalto thanks -- looking... |
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| 19:02.34 | jpinx | jaalto no suc dir |
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| 19:03.20 | jpinx | ls /etc/x* produced no xorg stuff..... |
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| 19:03.34 | jpinx | maybe something was missed in the install? |
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| 19:03.43 | jaalto | jpinx: Notece the case: /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 19:03.55 | jpinx | k |
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| 19:04.15 | jaalto | jpinx: provided that we're talking about graphical GUI here. What creen resolution you referred to? |
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| 19:05.49 | Esa94 | Uh, what happened to my keyboard? |
| 19:06.03 | jpinx | Jaalto: it says to not modify it |
| 19:06.38 | jpinx | Jaalto - I have gnome running but the screen resolution is terrible |
| 19:07.30 | jpinx | and it's not occupying the full physical screen |
| 19:07.32 | rhalff_ | hi I have used 'tune2fs -O ^has_journal' on an ext3 partition, and now booting it again as ext3 (by accident), it is reported to be mounted as ext3. how come there are no complaints in the logs ? is it turned on again automatically ? |
| 19:08.49 | jaalto | jpinx: you have to become "#root" to modify system files. Run command "su -" + password, unless you have set up sudo. |
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| 19:09.08 | jpinx | jaalto; I am root at the moment |
| 19:09.11 | jpinx | I su'd |
| 19:09.31 | amphi | jpinx: you could try to change the res with xrandr, when X is running |
| 19:10.27 | jpinx | amphi: that sounds safer maybe? |
| 19:11.15 | jpinx | xrandr gives me 2 screen sizes - both wrong |
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| 19:11.35 | jpinx | how do I make it find the correct screen? |
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| 19:17.53 | amphi | jpinx: /etc/X11/xorg.conf may give a clue as to what's going wrong |
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| 19:20.21 | sarrafo | I am trying to configure this card for tracking video .. but can not find the right card, Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) |
| 19:20.45 | jpinx | amphi: what am I looking for? |
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| 19:23.06 | jpinx | amphi: all the resolutions are "720x400" "640x480" , but I need 1000something |
| 19:23.16 | amphi | jpinx: dunno - is it using the correct driver, for a start? |
| 19:23.24 | amphi | 1024x768 ? |
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| 19:24.39 | jpinx | amphi: yes 1024 x 768 sounds right from memory |
| 19:24.42 | abrotman | 720x400 ? |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | jpinx: which X driver are you using? |
| 19:24.48 | jpinx | where do I find the driver? |
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| 19:24.54 | Azhrarn | danke |
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| 19:25.13 | jpinx | abrotman - I just did a netinstall and accepted defaults |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | jpinx: the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:26.56 | jpinx | neomagic is in those logs |
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| 19:27.36 | jpinx | sorry -- the resolution is so bad I lose these messages quickly |
| 19:27.42 | stoned | page up? |
| 19:28.02 | iLLf8d | anyone know if theres a gtk theme switcher built into the base gnome install in debian? if so whats it called? I see a couple others availaible as packages gtk-theme-switch and gtk-chtheme |
| 19:28.03 | jpinx | sure - I know about page up thanks |
| 19:28.41 | simNIX | Hello. I've setup remote logging. On the recieving loghost I try to setup syslog.conf so that messages sends from logclient gets put in /var/log/logclient.log only |
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| 19:30.58 | meyou | simNIX: and den? |
| 19:31.11 | simNIX | in man syslog.conf I find a +(host) option - From what I get I've setup this syslog.conf http://simnix.webhop.info/pastebin/d2807837e |
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| 19:31.46 | simNIX | It only still logs all incomming messages to all filesI would like to ask if someone spot |
| 19:32.15 | simNIX | *I would like to ask if someone spots whre I go wrong |
| 19:32.55 | jpinx | I just some way to make X re-set the correct screen resolution |
| 19:33.01 | stew | simNIX: i dno't believe this is possible with the default syslog, but requires syslog-ng |
| 19:33.11 | stew | jpinx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:33.33 | simNIX | o |
| 19:33.34 | jpinx | stew: thanks - that sounds promising |
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| 19:39.26 | pettals | hi, i have not been able to change the language of the system .. i wanted to add some indian languages but then there's no language selector applet that is installed in Gnome |
| 19:39.38 | pettals | i am using debian lenny and gnome 2.4 |
| 19:39.43 | pettals | sorry gnome 2.2 |
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| 19:42.18 | jpinx | stew - ran that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but no changes. Do I need to reboot? |
| 19:42.35 | stew | jpinx: you'd need to restart X, but not reboot |
| 19:42.41 | stew | jpinx: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:43.08 | jpinx | stew - whatever the netinstal gave me;) Presumably etch |
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| 19:43.39 | jpinx | how do I restart X without rebooting? |
| 19:44.02 | stew | jpinx: logout of / exit your window manager |
| 19:44.20 | jpinx | k |
| 19:44.24 | jpinx | back in a minute |
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| 19:46.34 | pleed_ | What do i have to change in initramfs-tools to build an initrd which opens my cryptoroot device? |
| 19:47.11 | pleed_ | I ve made a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ and now the initrd says "cant find /scripts/local-top/crypt" when it boots |
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| 19:48.19 | Si1ver1ock | is there a way to limit cpu time per process? |
| 19:48.36 | abrotman | you can renice it down |
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| 19:49.16 | Si1ver1ock | abrotman: to a specific level like 10% ? |
| 19:49.29 | jpinx | stew - restarting X didn't work, but rebooting did -- thanks |
| 19:49.45 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: can't do taht AFAIK |
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| 19:49.51 | Si1ver1ock | thx |
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| 19:50.11 | amphi | Si1ver1ock: the most niced program will get all cpu if nothing else wants it |
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| 19:50.56 | stew | amphi: that's an oversimplification |
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| 19:51.59 | fak3r | stew: nice can be confusing for the beginner |
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| 19:52.27 | jelly | stew: but a useful one. oh, didn't that old con kolivas' scheduler have reserved time slices, "nothing uses this cpu" |
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| 19:58.16 | KB1PYW | hey guys, i haven't run debian on a laptop in a *long* time (my servers run it though), .. how is the laptop support now? specifically compared to ubuntu? |
| 19:59.03 | themill | KB1PYW: I've been running debian on my laptops exclusively for the last 5 years. |
| 19:59.21 | Grim76__ | KB1PYW: Debian works fine on the Dell E1505 that I have. |
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| 19:59.55 | KB1PYW | does it just work? or do you have to play with stuff? |
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| 20:00.32 | Grim76__ | KB1PYW: Worked fine. I had to make some changes for video but that can happen on desktop/server/anything. |
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| 20:00.50 | KB1PYW | how is the wireless support? |
| 20:00.57 | arrenlex | Hey. Why do bold fonts in pidgin look so bad? http://arrenlex.aa.am/screenshots/6921.png |
| 20:01.04 | KB1PYW | not from hardware, but from finding AP's etc |
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| 20:01.25 | XTF | Hi. How do you open the start menu with the keyboard? |
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| 20:01.54 | petemc | windows button or control and escape |
| 20:02.08 | XTF | Hmm, the Win key doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:02.28 | themill | KB1PYW: if the hardware is supported, then things like network-manager make it a breeze. Remember that ubuntu is based on debian. |
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| 20:02.43 | JshWright | trying to build xorg on etch, getting "error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm'.....". All the references lines contain the _X_EXPORT macro... what am I missing? |
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| 20:02.50 | XTF | Ctrl-Escape doesn't work either. |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | build? why? |
| 20:03.05 | KB1PYW | themill: I'm aware.. I've been running ubuntu on my laptop for ... about 2.5 years, and i'm over it |
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| 20:03.28 | KB1PYW | i put openbsd on , but that is too much 'work'.. so thinking of giving debian a try again |
| 20:03.29 | \amethyst | arrenlex: what font is that? Maybe it's a bitmapped font without a bold version in the point size you want? |
| 20:03.36 | JshWright | abrotman: need to patch it |
| 20:03.54 | arrenlex | \amethyst: The base font is MS Sans Serif, I believe. |
| 20:04.02 | abrotman | JshWright: and how did you get the sourcE? |
| 20:04.10 | JshWright | apt-get source |
| 20:04.22 | nergoza | I have kernel on my debian out of the box, means i didnt compiled it, it came by itself |
| 20:04.29 | \amethyst | arrenlex: MS Sans Serif? sounds like a bitmapped font |
| 20:04.30 | daemon | hey guys im trying to install with apt-get install |
| 20:04.32 | nergoza | but where can i find the kernel sources at my box ? |
| 20:04.34 | daemon | and its asking me for debian cdroms? |
| 20:04.36 | nergoza | where its locatedd |
| 20:04.47 | daemon | i have a connection via proxy over a nertwork the network is configured and I can ping the proxy server |
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| 20:04.54 | daemon | I also added a route for good measure, what am I missing |
| 20:04.56 | arrenlex | \amethyst: MS Sans Serif is a truetype font which is distributed with all base windows installs. |
| 20:05.03 | stew | nergoza: what do you need kernel source for? (most people that ask this actually need kernel headers not kernel source) |
| 20:05.05 | arrenlex | \amethyst: It's a base font similar to verdana, arial, etc. |
| 20:05.13 | \amethyst | arrenlex: do you have the bold version? |
| 20:05.24 | stew | daemon: remove the cdrom sources from sources.list and add network sources if you odn't already have them: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:05.28 | themill | daemon: comment out the lines for your cdrom in /etc/apt/sources.list, make sure you have a mirror and security line in there, then apt-get update. |
| 20:05.35 | peter_12 | how can I monitor my memory usage on my Debian Etch VPS? |
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| 20:05.39 | arrenlex | \amethyst: No, I cannot find a bold version of this font. I'm not sure how windows bolds it. |
| 20:05.41 | nergoza | stew: i meant for kernel hearders, i need it to install VMware and its asking me where they are located |
| 20:05.42 | daemon | cheers themill and stew |
| 20:06.22 | stew | nergoza: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and they'll be located in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 20:06.32 | \amethyst | arrenlex: according to Wikipedia, MS Sans Serif is bitmap and Microsoft Sans Serif is truetype |
| 20:06.33 | nergoza | thank you mate |
| 20:06.39 | \amethyst | arrenlex: I don't know how much to trust that, though |
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| 20:07.02 | arrenlex | \amethyst: That's strange. I always considered them the same font. |
| 20:07.12 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Regardless, pidgin seems to be set to use Microsoft Sans Serif |
| 20:07.12 | arrenlex | http://arrenlex.aa.am/screenshots/21904.png |
| 20:07.43 | \amethyst | arrenlex: The only recommendation I can offer is to pick a font that has a bold version available, so you don't get crappy simulated bold |
| 20:07.47 | JshWright | so, no help on the _X_EXPORT macro? |
| 20:07.51 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Even if it wasn't, there are websites I browse to with Firefox that use a similarly jagged and unreadable font, and it is not bold. |
| 20:08.21 | \amethyst | arrenlex: err, this is on Windows isn't it? |
| 20:08.25 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Here is an example of a website my university runs. http://arrenlex.aa.am/screenshots/15911.png |
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| 20:08.35 | arrenlex | \amethyst: On windows? No, I'm using Debian. o_O |
| 20:08.49 | Grim76__ | KB1PYW: The wireless worked fine for me with the intel card that I have. |
| 20:08.55 | sly007 | hello, do any of you know a tool to configure bind zones? |
| 20:09.01 | nergoza | each time i try to install VirtulBox im getting this error |
| 20:09.02 | sly007 | I am sick and tired of doing it manually |
| 20:09.07 | \amethyst | arrenlex: oh, the window decorations on that screen shot looked a lot like Vista |
| 20:09.09 | nergoza | Makefile:142: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 20:09.12 | KB1PYW | Grim76__: thanks for the report... I think I'll give it a try |
| 20:09.30 | arrenlex | \amethyst: It's KDE, with the Crystal decorator and pseudo-transparency |
| 20:09.33 | nergoza | i setup this: KERN_DIR=/lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 20:10.11 | \amethyst | arrenlex: you might check the KDE font settings and see if there's an option for the hinting level... I know how to set it in GNOME but not KDE |
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| 20:11.13 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Wouldn't the hinting affect all fonts? Currently every font I use is perfect, except that specific case I can't figure out. |
| 20:12.05 | \amethyst | arrenlex: hm, good point |
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| 20:13.38 | arrenlex | \amethyst: That's not an option with Firefox. I can't force websites to use my font selections because then all the sites that specify their own look wrong. |
| 20:13.38 | torrrr | I am trying to setup video audio drivers for my users for mplayer |
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| 20:13.44 | nergoza | anyone please ? |
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| 20:13.51 | torrrr | I found /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 20:13.51 | arrenlex | \amethyst: (regarding choosing another font) |
| 20:14.01 | torrrr | edited it , but there is no effect |
| 20:14.09 | stew | nergoza: your kernel headers are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 20:14.19 | \amethyst | arrenlex: there are websites out there that use Microsoft Sans Serif? weird. It's possible, but I don't know how, to specify font substitutions |
| 20:14.22 | stew | nergoza: (assuming you installed the linux-haeders-$(uname -r) package) |
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| 20:14.47 | arrenlex | \amethyst: No, I think this is some kind of default fallthrough font. |
| 20:14.49 | torrrr | and there is nothing in ~/.mplayer/config |
| 20:14.56 | torrrr | anyone know? |
| 20:15.00 | arrenlex | torrrr: This is what I have in ~/.mplayer/config: vo=xv,x11, |
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| 20:15.26 | torrrr | arrenlex, I am intersted in setting default setting for all my users |
| 20:15.32 | \amethyst | arrenlex: maybe your system default sans serif font is a bitmapped font for some reason? you can set that in the KDE or GNOME font settings |
| 20:15.34 | nergoza | stew: build is a file and not a folder |
| 20:15.41 | stew | nergoza: it is a symlink |
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| 20:15.54 | \amethyst | arrenlex: but I'm about at the end of my knowledge on the subject, so all I can do is wish you good luck |
| 20:15.58 | kingsley | Codeweavers is evidently giving away their version of wine today. Does anyone here happen to know if they've packaged it so it can be maintained with debian's administration tools, like aptitude? |
| 20:15.58 | mewshi | hello! :D |
| 20:15.59 | themill | arrenlex: you can override fonts with a user style sheet, but you probably don't want to go there. |
| 20:15.59 | d0uglas | hi.. i know you can "wildcard" an ip range like 64.*.*.* as 64.0.0.0/8 but what /# would you put for 64.4.*.*/? and 64.4.4.*/? ? thanks |
| 20:16.11 | arrenlex | torrrr: Quickly grepping the strace of launching mplayer, it seems to be looking for /usr/local/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf on my system. |
| 20:16.14 | \amethyst | d0uglas: /16 and /24 respectively |
| 20:16.22 | cahoot | d0uglas: tried ipcalc? |
| 20:16.43 | arrenlex | torrrr: If you did not compile your own, I guess it would be /etc rather than /usr/local/etc/ |
| 20:16.47 | themill | kingsley: no, it's a shell archive installer only, but nothing depends on wine so you don't need to worry about management with wine anyway. |
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| 20:16.57 | torrrr | ah |
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| 20:17.00 | arrenlex | torrrr: Or you can try it yourself to see where it's looking... strace mplayer 2>&1 | grep conf |
| 20:17.07 | nergoza | stew: can you tell me where the link is pointing ? |
| 20:17.10 | abrotman | kingsley: ask them, not us |
| 20:17.17 | \amethyst | d0uglas: the number after the slash is the number of significant bits; and each number is 8 bits |
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| 20:17.35 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Yeah, I don't really want to make a custom stylesheet to work around a font rendering problem. :) Thank you very much for your help, anyway. |
| 20:17.38 | stew | nergoza: "readlink /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" would tell you |
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| 20:17.42 | d0uglas | thanks \amethyst |
| 20:17.47 | lindenle | Can anyone here help me get the mirror in preseed file to work? |
| 20:17.50 | d0uglas | i went to a rehab thing called amethyst |
| 20:17.56 | lindenle | The installer keeps asking for the mirror again |
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| 20:18.12 | mewshi | Could someone help me find a way to get *all* the packages I need for openoffice, automatically? I'm stuck using a windows machine right now, since it's the only one that has internet access, but I can put the .deb files on my external hard drive. Any ideas, gentlemen? |
| 20:18.19 | \amethyst | d0uglas: literally means "unintoxicated" or "without intoxication" |
| 20:18.22 | torrrr | arrenlex, thanks |
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| 20:18.33 | d0uglas | ahh they didn't tell us that |
| 20:18.42 | d0uglas | said something about the color of some stone |
| 20:18.44 | torrrr | arrenlex, it looks both at etc and ~/.mplayer/config |
| 20:18.58 | jdandres | hi, i'm using debian unstable and i've installed iceweasel, however it doesn't start |
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| 20:19.11 | jdandres | in a shell there is no errors... |
| 20:19.16 | jdandres | do you know about this? |
| 20:19.17 | arrenlex | torrrr: But putting vo=xv,x11, in the /etc/ file doesn't work? |
| 20:19.31 | \amethyst | d0uglas: yeah, it's a purple semiprecious gem, traditionally supposed to be a remedy for drunkenness (hence the name). a - methyst. The latter part is the same root as "methyl" and "methane" |
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| 20:19.38 | mewshi | any ideas? |
| 20:20.01 | nergoza | $ readlink build |
| 20:20.01 | nergoza | /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.5 |
| 20:20.06 | torrrr | arrenlex, I try to put ao=esd |
| 20:20.10 | nergoza | cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.5 |
| 20:20.10 | nergoza | -bash: cd: /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.5: No such file or directory |
| 20:20.17 | nergoza | stew ? |
| 20:20.20 | torrrr | arrenlex, and that doesnt stick |
| 20:20.34 | d0uglas | my nyc office's T1s go through Verizon to get to our ISP and we suffer from frequent failures in the connection and want to explore backup options. Before we get ahead of ourselves wondering about what to do with DNS, what are some other types of connections that would not include Verizon as a point of failure? Time Warner coaxial? |
| 20:20.52 | jpinx | what was the command to show all available drives whether mounted or not? |
| 20:20.52 | mewshi | Could someone help me find a way to get *all* the packages I need for openoffice, automatically? I'm stuck using a windows machine right now, since it's the only one that has internet access, but I can put the .deb files on my external hard drive. Any ideas, gentlemen? |
| 20:20.55 | arrenlex | torrrr: And it works correctly if you run mplayer -ao esd <audiofile> ? |
| 20:20.57 | themill | arrenlex: I think you can fiddle with /etc/fonts/local.conf to map that font to something else. Some ideas: http://www.convexhull.com/mandrake_fonts.html |
| 20:21.07 | abrotman | d0uglas: that's not a #debian question |
| 20:21.11 | pacroon | Convex Hulls :( Reminds me of terrible things |
| 20:21.14 | d0uglas | oh sorry thought i was in ef #help |
| 20:21.18 | arrenlex | themill: Problem is that I don't know what font it is. :( |
| 20:21.30 | puff | d0uglas: Might be better to ask in #linux. |
| 20:21.31 | abrotman | wouldn't ask efnet for help either .. but whatever |
| 20:21.33 | torrrr | arrenlex, I didn't try it like that, I opened preference and set audio driver to esd |
| 20:21.35 | stew | nergoza: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:21.41 | mewshi | hello? |
| 20:21.46 | arrenlex | torrrr: Look at mplayer -ao help to get a list. |
| 20:21.57 | arrenlex | torrrr: Anything in that list can be used in the config file |
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| 20:21.57 | torrrr | I did |
| 20:22.09 | mewshi | No one has any idea idea how to help me with my question? |
| 20:22.12 | arrenlex | torrrr: esd is in that list? Does it work when you do mplayer -ao esd ? |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | mewshi: apt-zip? apt-move? |
| 20:22.47 | mewshi | no, this is on a WINDOWS machine that I can get the packages |
| 20:22.55 | mewshi | I have an external hdd, though |
| 20:23.05 | torrrr | arrenlex, yes |
| 20:23.05 | nergoza | stew: 2.6.26.5 |
| 20:23.11 | mewshi | so I want to put the packages on the hard drive. |
| 20:23.21 | pacroon | I have a Thinkpad X40 with an Atheros wireless card. It's been working fine with my Apple Airport AP until I upgraded from stable to unstable. Now it is unable to see or connect to the Airport AP. It sees other ESSIDs fine, and my other machines can connect to the AP fine. Any idea what to do? |
| 20:23.51 | arrenlex | torrrr: Dunno then. If -ao esd works but ao=esd doesn't, I don't know what's going on. I didn't think that was possible. Sorry about that. |
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| 20:23.55 | mewshi | pacroon: try changing the ESSID? |
| 20:24.01 | pacroon | mewshi: Tried it :/ |
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| 20:24.04 | [Jasper] | hello guys, can someone tell me how I can install suPHP on debian= |
| 20:24.17 | arrenlex | torrrr: You're sure the ~/.mplayer/config file doesn't override the ao value from the /etc file? |
| 20:24.24 | jpinx | when I try to mount a removable 2ndHDD (laptop) I get an error saying "libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set". Anyone able to help? |
| 20:24.34 | puff | Hm, #openssl appears to be two users. Is there a better channel to ask about tricky SSL cert stuff? |
| 20:24.37 | puff | #apache, I guess. |
| 20:24.53 | stew | nergoza: how did you install the kernel headers? |
| 20:25.19 | stew | nergoza: or, how did you install the kernel? its obviously not from debian |
| 20:25.20 | torrrr | arrenlex, I deleted my local ~/.mplayer and now it is getting the setup from /etc |
| 20:25.28 | mewshi | I need an *automated* way to get all the packages needed on a windows machine, so I can copy them to an external HDD |
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| 20:25.51 | arrenlex | torrrr: Dunno. Sorry. |
| 20:25.51 | themill | dpkg: tell mewshi about apt-zip |
| 20:26.00 | nergoza | stew: i'ts a dedicated server that im using and i installed debain from a tamplate (a script from the hosting company) |
| 20:26.01 | mewshi | will it work on windows? |
| 20:26.01 | sandman | Are there good security implications for having each service running in its own vserver? |
| 20:26.23 | stew | nergoza: did you compile the kenrel? |
| 20:26.26 | arrenlex | themill: I think the problem is that they are right now sitting on a Windows machine, trying to download all the deb packages they need to install openoffice on their debian machine, which is not connected. |
| 20:26.27 | puff | sandman: Generally speaking, yes. |
| 20:26.27 | nergoza | nop |
| 20:26.29 | nergoza | stew: nop |
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| 20:26.42 | themill | mewshi: there are some of those options that do. Check out the referenced factoids. |
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| 20:26.48 | mewshi | arrenlex: exactly! :D |
| 20:26.56 | stew | nergoza: then you'll have to ask whomever did compile the kernel for the corresponding headers or the source used to compile it |
| 20:26.56 | sandman | Okay. Well, my system does not have VT-x, and so it would appear that Xen would create a heavier performance impact than VServer |
| 20:27.06 | stew | nergoza: or, you'll have to switch kernels |
| 20:27.11 | mewshi | what options? Apt-zip only works on debian |
| 20:27.21 | nergoza | stew: can i switch kernels without compiling it myself ? |
| 20:27.29 | sandman | If I really want to run each service in its own vserver, I'll end up running 10 or so of them. In that case, even a slight performance penalty would matter, I would think. Am I correct in this line of thought? |
| 20:27.30 | puff | sandman: At least according to, whatshisname... Bernstein? |
| 20:27.47 | stew | nergoza: yes, probably. though, why was a custom kernel used in the first place? |
| 20:27.52 | sandman | puff: I'm afraid I'm unfamliar, sorry. |
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| 20:28.14 | nergoza | stew: i have no idea but i will ask the hosting administrator about it |
| 20:28.14 | mewshi | I just want a thing that will download all the dependencies to my HDD and then I can put them on my debian box. |
| 20:28.26 | nergoza | stew: how do i switch to other kernel |
| 20:28.31 | puff | sandman: Hm, no, not him, the other popular security wonk.. WietseVenema. |
| 20:28.53 | stew | nergoza: "apt-cache search -n linux-image" would give you a list of packages you could install |
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| 20:29.12 | nergoza | stew: can you recommand me on a stable kernel version ? |
| 20:29.30 | mewshi | any ideas? |
| 20:29.35 | stew | nergoza: the etchnhalf kernel |
| 20:30.08 | puff | sandman: He published a paper at one point where he surveyed a *bunch* of banking websites, in the late nineties, using non-intrusive techniques. He concluded that about two third of them were vulnerable. I remember one of the key points of the paper was that most vulnerabilities arise because of interactions between services on the server. Hence separate vservers for different services is probably more secure. |
| 20:30.14 | BleSS | which are the best cd audio rippers? soundkonverter, kaudiocreator |
| 20:30.24 | abrotman | for KDE you mean? |
| 20:30.30 | nergoza | stew: the server is AMD64 but debian 32bit is installed |
| 20:30.36 | mewshi | I need an *automated* way to get all the packages needed on a windows machine, so I can copy them to an external HDD |
| 20:30.46 | themill | mewshi: did you read the factoid? Did you follow the references it gave? |
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| 20:30.51 | nergoza | if i will install this linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 20:30.54 | nergoza | it will work fine ? |
| 20:31.05 | BleSS | abrotman: for linux in general |
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| 20:31.37 | mewshi | themill: have you even listened to a damn word I've said? I've said several times now that it *needs* to work on windows, because that is the only machine in here that has internet access |
| 20:32.41 | themill | mewshi: yes, and the "apt offline" factoid does that for you. |
| 20:32.43 | meyou | get internet access on your l00nix box ffs |
| 20:32.43 | sandman | mewshi: You know, if you keep making that face, it will stay that way. |
| 20:33.01 | puff | mewshi: Maybe download and burn an ISO is your only bet. |
| 20:33.12 | mewshi | I can't burn an iso |
| 20:33.21 | puff | mewshi: ugh, that sucks. |
| 20:33.21 | themill | dpkg: tell mewshi about apt offline |
| 20:33.30 | themill | ffs |
| 20:33.32 | nergoza | stew ? |
| 20:33.57 | sandman | BleSS: I've historically used abcde =) But I think that's just a front-end to various other tools. |
| 20:33.59 | mewshi | That *still* doesn't run on windows!!! |
| 20:34.06 | themill | mewshi: yes it does. |
| 20:34.21 | mewshi | then go ahead, tell me how |
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| 20:34.35 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: the factoid that he gave you explains how to make it work |
| 20:34.44 | sandman | mewshi: Aye, it does. |
| 20:34.47 | stew | mewshi: what is wrong with a script produced by apt-zip? is there some reason you can't run it on windows? |
| 20:35.06 | themill | mewshi: which bit? Half of it you run on the debian machine, half of it on the windows machine. |
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| 20:35.18 | mewshi | stew: I can't get to my debian box right now |
| 20:35.19 | stew | nergoza: its likely to work, though i don't know specifically about your hardware, so i couldn't say for sure |
| 20:35.21 | mewshi | it's about 20 minutes away |
| 20:35.27 | nergoza | after installing new linux-image i need to reboot ? |
| 20:35.33 | cratylus | hey all ,for some reason my keys don't repeat when i hold hold down the key. like backspace will only delete one letter and stop or left arror will just go one letter to the left. any ideas? |
| 20:36.03 | stew | mewshi: do you know what packages are already installed on the box? |
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| 20:36.17 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: if you can't get to the Debian box, and you don't know the state that it's in, you can't do the upgrade. |
| 20:36.21 | sandman | I'm trying to debate about how much of a point there would be to running SELinux and VServer. |
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| 20:36.36 | mewshi | dondelelcaro: I just want a thing to download all possible dependencies for me |
| 20:36.41 | mewshi | what the hell is so difficult about that? |
| 20:36.45 | sandman | Is there an SELinux policy for VServer, I wonder? |
| 20:36.45 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: well, I lie slightly; if you have a large enough drive, you can bring a full mirror to it. |
| 20:37.00 | mewshi | I just want the packages I need to have for openoffice |
| 20:37.10 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: it's not difficult, it just requires a lot of disk; somewhere around 30G per architecture |
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| 20:37.31 | mewshi | dondelelcaro: for a full mirror? o.o' |
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| 20:37.57 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: for a mirror for one architecture. |
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| 20:38.11 | dondelelcaro | full mirrors require quite a bit more |
| 20:38.14 | mewshi | dondelelcaro: how do I get one? |
| 20:38.20 | nergoza | i installed new kernel image and rebooted the machine but its not loaded |
| 20:38.24 | nergoza | still the old kernel |
| 20:38.28 | nergoza | what to do |
| 20:38.31 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 20:38.34 | themill | wonders if apt-get compiles for cygwin. |
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| 20:38.57 | stew | themill: yes, its in the cygwin list of packages |
| 20:39.14 | themill | stew: ahh... interesting. (not looked for ages) |
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| 20:39.27 | kunwon1 | themill, there's also cyg-apt |
| 20:39.35 | nergoza | anyone ? |
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| 20:40.26 | themill | kunwon1: that does a rather different thing though. (I'm thinking of this in terms of apt resolving deps for debian on a cygwin box) |
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| 20:40.56 | kunwon1 | themill, oh o.O interesting concept.. |
| 20:41.09 | cratylus | nevermind, i found the answer. i went to System->preferences->keyboard and shortened the delay in the repeat keys section |
| 20:41.18 | vader-- | fudge we are having weird pri issues now |
| 20:41.22 | nergoza | i just installed new kernel image with apt-get but after reboot i have the same old kernel |
| 20:41.24 | vader-- | system has been running great for like 2 years |
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| 20:41.41 | vader-- | now we are getting droppes in our whole 23 channels |
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| 20:42.28 | mewshi | So, what windows program can I use to do the mirroring? |
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| 20:42.49 | enouf | see ##windows |
| 20:43.19 | enouf | nergoza: choose the new one at boot time |
| 20:43.21 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: rsync |
| 20:43.21 | mewshi | ... |
| 20:43.28 | mewshi | rsync runs on windows? o.o' |
| 20:43.29 | enouf | vader--: what? |
| 20:43.29 | themill | enouf: I don't thnk that would help... |
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| 20:43.33 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: yes. |
| 20:43.43 | mewshi | where? o.o |
| 20:43.45 | themill | dondelelcaro: he only wants OOo and deps not the entire mirror |
| 20:43.48 | passwd | http://pwds.private.lt |
| 20:44.05 | nergoza | i just installed new kernel image with apt-get but after reboot i have the same old kernel |
| 20:44.08 | passwd | http://pwds.private.lt |
| 20:44.11 | MafProd | mewshi: is included in cygwin |
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| 20:44.28 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: either in cygwin or as a standalone. |
| 20:44.38 | mewshi | also, it needs to be something that doesn't require installation... -_- I don't have admin access |
| 20:44.44 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: but finding it is entirely off topic here |
| 20:44.46 | thesnark | can anybody show me a good guide to using an external monitor? Google searches aren't doing me well at the moment |
| 20:44.49 | mewshi | will it run from my external hdd? |
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| 20:44.52 | themill | !rube goldber install |
| 20:45.02 | MafProd | cygwin can be installed by a user |
| 20:45.02 | stew | nergoza: which bootloader are you using? |
| 20:45.05 | abrotman | !rube goldberg bot! |
| 20:45.12 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:45.12 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:45.13 | mewshi | I don't want to install cygwin -_- |
| 20:45.13 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: in general, you should be able to just plug it in, and it'll work. |
| 20:45.17 | enouf | themill: heh, i thought he meant mirroring a HDD, as in a backup of his system |
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| 20:45.37 | thesnark | dondelelcaro that's not the case for me :-( |
| 20:45.46 | themill | enouf: yeah... you've got to read a lot of scrollback to find signal amongst the noise. |
| 20:45.51 | dsmelk | mewshi: yes |
| 20:45.52 | enouf | themill: why someone would want a windows app to do that is beyond me, but hey, just pointing ;-) |
| 20:45.57 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: which version of Debian are you using? what videocard is it? |
| 20:45.58 | MafProd | why not? works ok, i use it daily |
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| 20:46.13 | nergoza | i just installed new kernel image with apt-get but after reboot i have the same old kernel |
| 20:46.20 | enouf | nergoza: welcome |
| 20:46.28 | thesnark | Etch, ATI Radeon XPress |
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| 20:46.45 | enouf | nergoza: echoing the same words doesn't help much eh? |
| 20:46.45 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: and do you see the output when you run xrandr? |
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| 20:47.06 | nergoza | enouf but i need help in this i never done it before |
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| 20:47.14 | thesnark | dondelelcaro output on my monitor or in the terminal? |
| 20:47.18 | enouf | nergoza: done what? |
| 20:47.28 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: in the terminal corresponding to the external monitor |
| 20:47.31 | thesnark | plenty of terminal output |
| 20:47.40 | nergoza | replaced kernel |
| 20:47.52 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: you'll see something like LVDS, and then another output like DVI-0 or VGA-0 or similar |
| 20:47.55 | enouf | nergoza: uname -r says? |
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| 20:48.07 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: if you're not sure what to make of it, use a paste site to show it to us. |
| 20:48.15 | thesnark | k |
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| 20:48.32 | enouf | oh stew asked you .. shee |
| 20:48.46 | sly007 | Hello, I have a brand new debian etch install |
| 20:48.57 | sly007 | when I issue /etc/init.d/bind9 stop |
| 20:48.57 | thesnark | http://pastebin.com/m479250f2 |
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| 20:49.01 | sly007 | i get |
| 20:49.02 | sly007 | Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 20:49.07 | AvK | hi guys |
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| 20:49.17 | enouf | !tell sly007 -about paste |
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| 20:49.28 | AvK | can you tell me which program is the best for chm files in gnome /xfce |
| 20:49.49 | enouf | AvK: i know a xchm exists |
| 20:49.49 | nergoza | enouf: 2.6.26.5 |
| 20:50.08 | sly007 | any idea for this bind9rndc issue? |
| 20:50.14 | enouf | nergoza: ok.. and that's the old or the new? and why don't you answer stew ? |
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| 20:50.38 | joltcan | sly007: Is named running? |
| 20:50.42 | nergoza | enouf: old |
| 20:50.47 | PeteC | hello all |
| 20:50.48 | joltcan | sly007: Is the firewall open? |
| 20:50.52 | nergoza | stew: LILO |
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| 20:50.59 | sly007 | joltcan: I have no firewall |
| 20:51.01 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: there should be more output than that |
| 20:51.01 | AvK | enouf, thx |
| 20:51.07 | nergoza | stew: image=/boot/bzImage |
| 20:51.13 | thesnark | dondelelcaro that is all of it :-( |
| 20:51.19 | joltcan | sly007: netstat -anp|grep 953 and see if you get named in there |
| 20:51.28 | PeteC | I canÂ’t ping my Debian box. I could yesterday, I reinstalled Debian for practice and now I canÂ’t. I have a static IP and configured it and checked my numbers. DonÂ’t know where to go from here. |
| 20:51.48 | enouf | nergoza: i think you were supposed to rerun LiLo prior to rebooting once the new kernel was installed |
| 20:51.50 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: hrm; well, it may be difficult then using the version of X in etch. If you're using lenny, you'd do something like xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto; and it'll come right up |
| 20:51.53 | sly007 | joltcan: no I don't |
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| 20:52.15 | nergoza | enouf: can you tell me how i do that please ? |
| 20:52.20 | enouf | nergoza: and what new kernel is it? |
| 20:52.21 | dondelelcaro | thesnark: in etch you'll probably have to configure your xorg.conf properly for that video card; I'd check google to see if you can find someone who has your laptop who has configured it |
| 20:52.41 | thesnark | alright |
| 20:52.56 | stew | nergoza: you'll need to upldate /etc/lilo.conf to point at the new kernel then and run "lilo" to write the new bootloader config. the new kernel package would have installed to /boot/vmlinuz-$version and probably made a /vmlinuz symlink to it |
| 20:53.17 | enouf | nergoza: it should be as simple as running the program, man lilo, see it's docs in /usr/share/docs |
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| 20:53.50 | enouf | and an append=initrd line? |
| 20:54.07 | nergoza | stew: i have this file in /boot - vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 20:54.43 | enouf | apologies - should be /usr/share/doc/* |
| 20:54.43 | thesnark | donelelcaro for some reason it works when I'm not using X >_< |
| 20:54.49 | stew | nergoza: yes, that is your new kernel |
| 20:55.18 | stew | nergoza: and you'll need to make sure that the entry in lilo.conf refers to the initrd.img which was generated in the same directory |
| 20:55.31 | joltcan | sly007: Then bind is not running and that is why it doesn't answer your query |
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| 20:56.09 | nergoza | stew: i did this: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 20:56.13 | stew | sly007: its probably not that bind isn't running, just that it isn't listening to a port |
| 20:56.15 | nergoza | already rebooted :( |
| 20:56.23 | sly007 | sd-15129:~# /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 20:56.24 | sly007 | Starting domain name service...: bind. |
| 20:56.24 | sly007 | sd-15129:~# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 20:56.24 | sly007 | Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 20:56.50 | sly007 | how is this possible? |
| 20:57.02 | vaq | ssh -L 5905:192.168.239.40:5905 root@192.168.239.134 - That would make a SSH tunnel to 192.168.239.134 on port 5905, on the client the tunnel is listening on 127.0.0.1:5905 how do I make it listen on 0.0.0.0 (All ips) ? |
| 20:57.31 | sly007 | as you can see, it says it is running |
| 20:57.47 | sly007 | sd-15129:~# ps -ef | grep named |
| 20:57.47 | sly007 | bind 2861 1 0 21:55 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind |
| 20:57.50 | stew | sly007: do you have a controls section in /etc/bind/named.conf (or in a file included by named.conf)? |
| 20:58.15 | nergoza | stew: if i did image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 it was a mistake ? |
| 20:58.46 | stew | nergoza: that is fine. did you also include a inintrd entry? |
| 20:58.56 | joltcan | sly007: Have you looked in /var/log/daemon.log when you do the rndc stuff? |
| 20:59.04 | nergoza | no, i didnt see any line to do it |
| 20:59.17 | stew | nergoza: then you won't be able to boot the new kernel |
| 20:59.20 | enouf | nergoza: 2.6.25-6 is newer than 2.6.24-xxxxx |
| 20:59.26 | stew | yes |
| 20:59.39 | stew | nergoza: the debian kernels need an initrd to sucessfully mount / |
| 20:59.40 | enouf | erm, 2.6.26-5 i mean |
| 20:59.43 | sly007 | Oct 28 21:58:49 sd-15129 named[2913]: listening on IPv4 interface lo, 127.0.0.1#53 |
| 20:59.44 | sly007 | Oct 28 21:58:49 sd-15129 named[2913]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied |
| 20:59.52 | enouf | even though both are |
| 21:00.04 | sly007 | Oct 28 21:58:49 sd-15129 named[2913]: couldn't add command channel 127.0.0.1#953: permission denied |
| 21:00.04 | sly007 | Oct 28 21:58:49 sd-15129 named[2913]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied |
| 21:00.09 | stew | sly007: read /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz about generating a key |
| 21:00.14 | enouf | sly007: please stop fucken flooding the channel! |
| 21:00.45 | enouf | damnit |
| 21:00.46 | stew | enouf: no 2.6.26.5 is right. he's installing a kernel becuase he needs to compile out of tree drivers and doesn't have the source for the installed custom kernel |
| 21:00.49 | sly007 | stew: I expected the bind9 package to work without any additionnal configuration ! |
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| 21:01.10 | enouf | stew: ok, i obviously don;t have prior info |
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| 21:01.33 | nergoza | stew: in what line i need to point the inintrd img ? |
| 21:01.56 | stew | nergoza: i don't remember exactly. man lilo.conf |
| 21:02.29 | stew | sly007: it would work with the default configuration |
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| 21:03.05 | thesnark | haha dondelelcaro all I had to do was download ATI's display program |
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| 21:03.49 | vaq | ssh -L 5905:192.168.239.40:5905 root@192.168.239.134 - That would make a SSH tunnel to 192.168.239.134 on port 5905, on the client the tunnel is listening on 127.0.0.1:5905 how do I make it listen on 0.0.0.0 (All ips) ? |
| 21:04.19 | sly007 | stew: my /etc/bind/rndc.key has the following permissions and owner |
| 21:04.19 | stew | vaq: try -L 0.0.0.0:5905:192.168.239.40:5905 |
| 21:04.21 | sly007 | -rw-r----- 1 ntpd 114 77 2008-02-14 17:34 rndc.key |
| 21:04.24 | sly007 | is that normal? |
| 21:04.44 | stew | sly007: no, it should be owned by bind, not ntpd |
| 21:05.11 | sly007 | and is group 114 a well known group? |
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| 21:06.36 | stew | sly007: no, uid/gid 100-999 are dynamically allocated on your system |
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| 21:07.32 | sly007 | you mean it changes on each reboot? |
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| 21:08.12 | vaq | stew: Then I see a very weird error when I'm trying to connect: channel 1017: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 21:08.13 | stew | sly007: no, they are allocated when packages are installed. they aren't predetermined like "ntpd is always 114" its that the first package installed on your machine that runs adduser --system gets 100, the next one gets 101, etc |
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| 21:09.54 | stew | vaq: i don't know, perhaps 0.0.0.0 was not correct. you could instead try an explicit public ip address? |
| 21:10.04 | sly007 | stehow can possibly this /etc/bind/rndc.key be owned by ntpd by default? |
| 21:10.07 | stew | vaq: oh, from the manpage, it seems that * should be used instead of 0.0.0.0 |
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| 21:10.28 | stew | sly007: did you copy /etc/bind from some other system? |
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| 21:11.10 | sly007 | stew: I have a dedicated server from an ISP and it has an automatic installation script |
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| 21:12.09 | hellues | hey |
| 21:12.24 | hellues | what is the address of scurity repository of debian ? |
| 21:12.44 | hellues | deb http://security.debian.org/ update/lenny main non-free contrib ? |
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| 21:13.27 | stew | hellues: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 21:14.46 | hellues | okey stew |
| 21:14.56 | hellues | i dont remember this |
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| 21:18.24 | hellues | stew, can i use velocity security in debian lenny ? |
| 21:18.50 | hellues | there is useful thing for security in velocity.debian.org |
| 21:19.47 | PeteC | I canÂ’t ping my Debian box. I could yesterday, I reinstalled Debian for practice and now I canÂ’t. I have a static IP and configured it and checked my numbers. DonÂ’t know where to go from here. |
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| 21:20.51 | stew | hellues: i don't know what that is |
| 21:21.08 | stew | PeteC: is the debian box able to ping anything? |
| 21:21.16 | hellues | hmm |
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| 21:21.36 | PeteC | Yes, can I ping a url? |
| 21:22.23 | PeteC | Or any suggested IP's |
| 21:22.24 | meyou | can you ssh it? |
| 21:22.33 | meyou | google.com is an easy one |
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| 21:22.40 | PeteC | brb |
| 21:22.48 | stew | PeteC: no, you can't ping a url, you can try pinging a hostname, and yes, google.com is a fine choice |
| 21:23.08 | meyou | hehe semantics |
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| 21:23.39 | stew | PeteC: can you show us the output of "/sbin/iptables ; /sbin/route -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:23.48 | PeteC | y ping 10 times about 70ms each |
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| 21:24.30 | PeteC | Yes, it will take a couple of minutes. |
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| 21:29.25 | PeteC | What is a /msg dpkg pastebin ? |
| 21:29.49 | abrotman | PeteC: an IRC command .. type in your irc window and 'dpkg' will msg you |
| 21:31.51 | jhamlin | Hi folks I did `aptitude install kde-desktop` on a base system. When I reboot kde doesn't start. I have to login. Then if I do `startx` kde still won't start up. How can I fix?? |
| 21:31.58 | abrotman | did you install kdm ? |
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| 21:32.37 | nergoza | stew: i have this file in /boot initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 21:32.44 | nergoza | how do i set lilo to load it ? |
| 21:32.53 | scgtrp | is it normal for apache2-mpm-itk to want to remove apache2? |
| 21:32.57 | stew | 17:01 < stew> nergoza: i don't remember exactly. man lilo.conf |
| 21:33.11 | jhamlin | abrotman: I thought it installed kdm when you do `aptitude install kde-desktop`. I believe I did |
| 21:34.10 | jhamlin | abrotman: yes, kdm is installed |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | check your X log |
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| 21:34.53 | dsmelk | scgtrp: yes that is normal |
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| 21:35.17 | dsmelk | scgtrp: because that app are another fork of apache |
| 21:35.20 | scgtrp | dsmelk, hm, i also get a bunch of dependency warnings about php |
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| 21:36.01 | scgtrp | and it also removed php5 when i freaked out and tried to put prefork back... |
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| 21:39.34 | scgtrp | k, reinstalled everything at the same time and it almost works. going to /index.php on any of my domains gives me its normal homepage, but just going to domain.com makes firefox ask me what to open a PHTML file with |
| 21:39.42 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 21:40.22 | smacnay | Where can I find info on passing parameters to modules in the linux-image.xx.deb hierarchy? |
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| 21:44.52 | PeteC | I cant ping my debian box and I don't know why? |
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| 21:50.27 | nergoza | this is what i get when i run lilo |
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| 21:50.29 | nergoza | Fatal: Sorry, don't know how to handle device 0x0100 |
| 21:50.45 | grulk | Hi guys, how can I see my bandwidth used from the bash |
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| 21:51.14 | amphi | grulk: iptraf perhaps |
| 21:51.26 | abrotman | jnettop! |
| 21:51.47 | et | is there a way to prevent services from starting when installing/updating packages? |
| 21:51.49 | un | can someone give me a pointer on the lintian E: no-shlibs-control-file... ? |
| 21:52.36 | abrotman | et: no |
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| 21:54.15 | thesnark | Does anybody have suggests for how I might run the windows assembler? |
| 21:54.15 | thesnark | MASM, that is |
| 21:54.16 | thesnark | suggestions* |
| 21:54.16 | et | so i have to break their config if i want them to start on-demand only? |
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| 21:54.16 | un | oh, sry, i just found http://lintian.debian.org/tags/ |
| 21:54.35 | blp | I'm having a strange problem with pbuilder-user-mode-linux. Sometimes when I use it to build a package, it hangs during the UML boot until I push a key. This seems to be random and intermittent. Any suggestions? |
| 21:54.35 | grulk | thanks works fine |
| 21:55.06 | amphi | abrotman: wow, nice; thanks, I didn't know of that |
| 21:55.33 | et | ah |
| 21:55.37 | et | there seems to be a way |
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| 21:58.58 | deego | Is there a package that does it all to get a hardware report? Instead of installing lmsensors, cat /proc/meminfo, etc., smart.. . etc. separately? |
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| 21:59.09 | theholyduck | deego, lshw? |
| 21:59.18 | theholyduck | hmm no |
| 21:59.24 | nergoza | this is what i get when i run lilo |
| 21:59.26 | nergoza | Fatal: Sorry, don't know how to handle device 0x0100 |
| 21:59.41 | theholyduck | well depends. lshw lists all the hardware you got, not the status of all of it |
| 22:00.16 | deego | theholyduck: neat, great report too, thanks |
| 22:00.22 | deego | any other favorites? |
| 22:00.25 | abrotman | amphi: it comes with a spork |
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| 22:00.44 | theholyduck | deego, not reallyy. lshw as root gives me all the info i need about my computer. |
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| 22:01.56 | deego | ah, there's even a -gtk version. |
| 22:03.15 | theholyduck | argh. why is there no 2.6.27 linux-kbuild ;( |
| 22:03.31 | deego | hm, it does not depend on lm-sensors.. strange |
| 22:03.34 | theholyduck | hmm. can i compile the 2.6.26 one and just name it 2.26.27? |
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| 22:05.08 | amphi | heh |
| 22:05.16 | theholyduck | doesnt seem to be a package thats updated that often. |
| 22:05.21 | theholyduck | i could probaly get away with it |
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| 22:16.07 | |ntegra| | hey guys |
| 22:16.24 | |ntegra| | whats happening in debian land? |
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| 22:18.04 | jdandres | do you know when will be openoffice3 in debian unstable? |
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| 22:20.06 | stew | jdandres: not until after lenny relelases |
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| 22:22.30 | jdandres | thanks stew |
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| 22:31.08 | smacnay | Is there a method to add boot parameters to to linux-image-xx.deb kernels? |
| 22:31.46 | dmoerner | smacnay, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default settings and then update-grub |
| 22:32.00 | dmoerner | the # kopt= line will let you specify specific settings for specific kernels |
| 22:32.21 | nergoza | i installed new kernel image |
| 22:32.24 | nergoza | in lilo |
| 22:32.26 | nergoza | this is good ? |
| 22:32.26 | nergoza | image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 22:32.26 | nergoza | initrd=initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 22:32.31 | smacnay | dmoerner: thanks - is there any documentation on module options with the .deb kernels? |
| 22:32.51 | dmoerner | smacnay, what do you mean exactly? |
| 22:33.17 | dmoerner | you can only pass options on the command line to the kernel if the module is built in. otherwise you specify them in an arbitrary file in /etc/modprobe.d i believe |
| 22:34.15 | smacnay | dmoerner: I want to pass options on the uvcvideo (if there are options to pass). It does not load on boot but does when I plug in my webcam. |
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| 22:34.24 | nergoza | dmoerner can you help me ? |
| 22:34.35 | smacnay | dmoerner: specifically, I would like to have it load with a smaller screen or capture size. |
| 22:34.37 | deego | where is the "ip" command in debian? |
| 22:34.50 | nergoza | deego: ifconfig |
| 22:35.04 | dmoerner | smacnay, does it work if you modprobe uvcvideo specify-parameter=1 |
| 22:35.17 | dmoerner | nergoza, initrd must also point to full path i believe |
| 22:35.19 | deego | ah, iproute |
| 22:35.57 | un | say lintian spits out a nice E: at me, is there an offline lintian tag reference somewhere? maybe a lost lintian-tags package or anything? or do i have to be online to get http://lintian.debian.org/tags.html, my dpkg is tied right now, so i can't httrack it... (cuz httrack isn't installed) any help would be nice... |
| 22:36.04 | smacnay | dmoerner: never tried that - new to me - I will try that now |
| 22:36.36 | stew | un: use lintian -i |
| 22:36.41 | smacnay | dmoerner: needs to be done when the module is not loaded? Or can I do it when the module is already loaded. |
| 22:37.07 | stew | smacnay: it must be done when the module is loaded. you can specify the options in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (man modprobe.conf) |
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| 22:37.34 | jpinx | when I call a man page I can't get out of it - ctrlC doesn't work:( Any ideas anyone? |
| 22:37.35 | un | stew: your the man... |
| 22:37.50 | DogBoy | q for quit |
| 22:38.05 | un | stew: thank you, you've been the most help in this channel over the past 3 or 4 days... |
| 22:38.19 | jpinx | DogBoy: thanks :) |
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| 22:38.35 | stew | un: heh, you're welcome :) |
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| 22:40.05 | smacnay | dmoerner: there is no such option as "specify-parameter"... |
| 22:40.31 | smacnay | stew: I guess my need now is to determine which, if any, parameters this module has. |
| 22:40.45 | stew | smacnay: try /sbin/modinfo modulename |
| 22:40.49 | theholyduck | hmm. why doesnt the experimental kernel thingy include a linux-kbuild ;( |
| 22:40.54 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
| 22:40.58 | S-i-A | can upgrade Etch4.0 to Etch and half? |
| 22:41.02 | theholyduck | thus making me have to muck about. |
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| 22:41.55 | themill | S-i-A: of course, there are only a few packages that are different (kernel and some xorg drivers) |
| 22:42.11 | smacnay | stew: hmm, I see only 2 "parm" listings and both are followed by (uint) - my guess is that there are none right now. |
| 22:42.26 | S-i-A | themill, but with aptitude upgrade do nothing! |
| 22:42.35 | smacnay | stew: would be nice to force this cam to work at 2 or even 1.3 megapixels |
| 22:42.35 | stew | smacnay: oh do you mean which parameters it was loaded with? |
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| 22:42.49 | smacnay | stew: no, which parameters I can set. |
| 22:42.56 | themill | S-i-A: yes. They are not upgrades but new packages. |
| 22:43.34 | S-i-A | themill, is etch 4.0 is last version, or etch and half? |
| 22:43.53 | smacnay | stew: modinfo -p uvcvideo |
| 22:44.08 | themill | S-i-A: etchnhalf is a couple of extra packages added to etch. They are both the latest version. |
| 22:44.20 | smacnay | stew: 2 params, and one is called quirks... |
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| 22:44.31 | smacnay | stew: anyway, no big deal. Thanks for the help |
| 22:44.51 | S-i-A | ok themill thanks, and wnat yet to upgrade it from 4.0 to etch and half :) |
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| 22:45.36 | Matson | ... anyone else dealt with windows-1252 rendering? |
| 22:46.00 | themill | S-i-A: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (or -amd64). Also check if you have a newer video driver available: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 22:46.14 | Matson | I'm getting "?" marks for single quotes, double quotes, apostrophies, etc |
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| 22:46.40 | PeteC | Rebooting solved my ping problem after creating a statid IP |
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| 22:48.12 | PeteC | Any recomdations of a good beginner IRC for a Debian box? |
| 22:48.45 | meyou | x-chat for GUI |
| 22:48.53 | meyou | irssi for CLI |
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| 22:49.38 | lostson | if your using kde konversation is nice |
| 22:49.54 | PeteC | CLI is client, right? |
| 22:50.08 | meyou | cli is command line interface |
| 22:50.09 | lostson | comman line |
| 22:50.12 | meyou | both are clients |
| 22:50.13 | PeteC | k |
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| 22:50.51 | PeteC | tx |
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| 22:51.18 | nergoza | stew: im in rescue console and when i write this |
| 22:51.18 | nergoza | /mnt/sbin/lilo -b /dev/sda1 -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:51.18 | nergoza | Warning: Ignoring entry 'boot' |
| 22:51.18 | nergoza | Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed |
| 22:51.19 | nergoza | Fatal: Sorry, don't know how to handle device 0x0100 |
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| 22:53.20 | nergoza | stew ? |
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| 22:53.26 | alteregoa | high |
| 22:53.45 | alteregoa | how can i mirror /root to Gadafi? http://pastebin.com/d6d02d738 |
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| 22:56.04 | nergoza | please help ,e |
| 22:56.11 | nergoza | my server is not loading |
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| 22:59.19 | Seb | when apt-get/aptitude tells me "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.", how do I tell what those 9 packages are ? |
| 22:59.36 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
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| 22:59.49 | Spreadsheet | hello |
| 22:59.57 | Seb | abrotman: that's that I just did, yes :) |
| 23:00.06 | abrotman | that's that ? |
| 23:00.08 | Spreadsheet | my $LC_* and $LANG are set to german |
| 23:00.11 | nergoza | when im in rescue mode im getting this error in lilo |
| 23:00.11 | nergoza | Fatal: Sorry, don't know how to handle device 0x0100 |
| 23:00.14 | Spreadsheet | now how do i change that |
| 23:00.15 | nergoza | please help me |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | Spreadsheet: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:00.34 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 23:00.37 | Seb | abrotman: i see, apt-get doesn't behave like aptitude |
| 23:00.45 | Seb | abrotman: aptitude doesn't list them, but apt-get does |
| 23:00.54 | abrotman | Seb: you can make apt-get list them |
| 23:01.07 | Seb | abrotman: aptitude you mean ? |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | aptitude lists them here |
| 23:01.27 | Spreadsheet | abrotman: i dont have the dpkg-reconfigure command o_0 |
| 23:01.35 | abrotman | Spreadsheet: as root |
| 23:01.57 | Spreadsheet | oh |
| 23:01.58 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 23:02.29 | Seb | abrotman: somehow it doesn't for me |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | Seb: you're running ubuntu! |
| 23:02.38 | Nai | hi, i have dhcp set in my network/interfaces file,but it keeps overriding the /etc/resolv.conf with the wrong nameserver, can i specify nameserver in the interfaces file when using dhcp? |
| 23:02.44 | Seb | abrotman: hah, no |
| 23:03.18 | Seb | Nai: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 23:03.26 | Nai | it just override it again ;/ |
| 23:03.27 | CoolCold | please, tell me which channels related to debian also exist in this network? |
| 23:03.31 | Nai | quickly echos into the file |
| 23:03.32 | themill | dpkg: tell Nai about fixresolvconf |
| 23:03.37 | stoned | CoolCold, use /list |
| 23:03.40 | Nai | what about fixdebconf |
| 23:03.48 | dmoerner | CoolCold, they are all on oftc now besides this one |
| 23:03.50 | abrotman | !tell Nai about override dns |
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| 23:04.09 | Nai | ty |
| 23:04.10 | CoolCold | smth like debian-installer, or debian-boot |
| 23:04.14 | CoolCold | can't remember |
| 23:04.20 | abrotman | CoolCold: that's on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:04.23 | jpinx | what's the best way to doa journal recovery on a filesystem? |
| 23:04.34 | CoolCold | abrotman: and which ones? |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | CoolCold: irc.oftc.net ... #debian-boot |
| 23:04.57 | Spreadsheet | hmm now LANG is english but LC_ALL is still german |
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| 23:06.34 | jhamlin | Hi folks, I just installed etch with kde but the only resolution that I can select (via Control Center) is 640x480. How can I get other resolutions? |
| 23:07.03 | stew | jhamlin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:07.12 | jhamlin | stew: thanks I'll try |
| 23:07.13 | abrotman | jhamlin: what is your video card? |
| 23:07.14 | stew | nergoza: what kind of device are you installing lilo to? |
| 23:07.30 | jhamlin | abrotman: yeah maybe a card problem. It's onboard video |
| 23:07.39 | jhamlin | lemme go try the reconfig thing |
| 23:07.41 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 23:07.48 | jhamlin | ah cool okay |
| 23:08.13 | Nai | Seb: what line do i modify or add in here, the man page says a few things i dont want to do the wrong one |
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| 23:08.48 | Nai | do i have to uncommend alias, lease and interfaces and fill it all out? or do i need just one |
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| 23:09.32 | Seb | Nai: supersede domain-name-servers ... |
| 23:10.31 | Nai | well that wasn't in the man page or the config file ...... |
| 23:10.55 | jpinx | which is better for recovering a filesystems journal -- mke2fs or tune2fs? Or something else? |
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| 23:11.30 | Nai | ty |
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| 23:16.37 | dsmelk | nergoza: maybe |
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| 23:19.16 | jdandres | hi, i'm using debian unstable and i've installed iceweasel, however it doesn't start |
| 23:19.19 | jdandres | do you know about this? |
| 23:19.33 | jdandres | executing in a terminal there are no errors |
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| 23:20.47 | abrotman | jdandres: tried moving ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old ? |
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| 23:22.04 | jdandres | i'll try abrotman |
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| 23:22.12 | jdandres | but it was in a first installation of debian |
| 23:22.34 | dsmelk | jdandres: try to open firefox-3.0 |
| 23:22.37 | jdandres | abrotman: wow! it worked :) |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | wow |
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| 23:22.50 | jdandres | :-P |
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| 23:26.16 | dmoerner | if reportbug can't connect to my smtp server and saves the bug report in a temp file, how do i make it try to send it again? |
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| 23:28.38 | Sling | dmoerner : specify the bug as a filename, reportbug <filename> |
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| 23:29.30 | dmoerner | Sling, thanks |
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| 23:38.04 | seed__ | anyone knows an application allowing me to test all networking ports on a ip address please |
| 23:38.12 | mbrush | nmap |
| 23:38.19 | meyou | what he said^ |
| 23:38.24 | seed__ | thank mbrush I was looking for this |
| 23:38.40 | seed__ | mbrush: I forgot the name :) |
| 23:38.48 | mbrush | no worries ... |
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| 23:40.47 | jaggz1 | can I make samba access as root ("admin users" setting works for this), but write files out as a different uid? |
| 23:41.26 | mbrush | hehe, still askin that eh? |
| 23:41.40 | jaggz1 | yeah :/ |
| 23:41.45 | mbrush | no luck with nfs? |
| 23:42.00 | meyou | did you try in #samba? |
| 23:42.06 | jaggz1 | oh, the samba channel is packed with people -- cool. |
| 23:42.18 | jaggz1 | meyou, just tried.. yesterday I got too busy |
| 23:42.37 | jaggz1 | mbrush, I need some advice on the safety of these things |
| 23:42.52 | mbrush | I would set up a different user/groups to do what you want |
| 23:43.07 | jaggz1 | nfs over wireless (not WPA either) |
| 23:43.17 | mbrush | no luck with sshfs? |
| 23:43.28 | jaggz1 | samba's not encrypted either though.. so that's a moot point |
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| 23:43.51 | jaggz1 | sshfs is going to have the same non-admin access.. you know what? I should just do it with the single user.. if I don't have perms from remote I don't have perms. |
| 23:43.57 | BigBear | whens debian 5 coming out?? |
| 23:44.00 | jaggz1 | the conflict is me wanting root perms to the whole share I guess.. |
| 23:44.18 | stew | BigBear: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 23:44.23 | mbrush | just make a new user/group that has the permissions you want |
| 23:44.41 | BigBear | ? |
| 23:45.10 | stew | dpkg: tell BigBear about lenny status |
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| 23:46.01 | jaggz1 | yeah, I'll just access as that particular user |
| 23:46.22 | jaggz1 | i won't say this in #samba, but I think I'll use sshfs so I can maintain symlinks (which I believe it will handle fine) |
| 23:46.30 | AbsintheSyringe | hm, I don't even use crossover or even wine, but free crossover office, why not :) |
| 23:46.33 | AbsintheSyringe | http://down.codeweavers.com/ |
| 23:46.42 | jaggz1 | I don't want to use nfs because of.. the uid's having to be the same? |
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| 23:46.52 | mbrush | jaggz1 the only other thing I can think of is making a script or something to change the permissions afterwards |
| 23:46.54 | jaggz1 | unless I can map them.. I've not looked into that |
| 23:47.00 | BigBear | can i use ntfs as /? the ext3 is slow |
| 23:47.24 | stew | BigBear: no, the permissions don't map to unix permissions |
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| 23:47.24 | theholyduck | ARGH!! |
| 23:47.29 | dsmelk | BigBear: ahahahahaha... please |
| 23:47.30 | jaggz1 | bigbear, ext3 is not going to be slower than ntfs is it? |
| 23:47.40 | mbrush | it's at least as fast here |
| 23:47.40 | jaggz1 | maybe he's trolling? |
| 23:47.44 | BigBear | no |
| 23:47.52 | theholyduck | 2.6.26 doesnt have working sound and 2.6.27 doesnt have a kbuild package so i cant get the linux-headers package installed |
| 23:47.55 | dsmelk | BigBear: never NTFS is faster like ext3 or ReiserFS |
| 23:47.57 | BigBear | ext3 is sow with large file deletions |
| 23:48.01 | stew | theholyduck: /msg dpkg new alsa |
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| 23:48.16 | BigBear | !ntfs |
| 23:48.16 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 23:48.17 | jaggz1 | what large files do you have on / root? |
| 23:48.29 | BigBear | virtual box ones |
| 23:48.35 | jaggz1 | ? |
| 23:48.40 | theholyduck | stew, lets give that a try |
| 23:48.44 | theholyduck | thanks man :) |
| 23:48.50 | BigBear | .vdis |
| 23:48.54 | BigBear | virtualbox images |
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| 23:49.05 | dsmelk | BigBear: try to copy 70GB on NTFS and after that try on ext3 and copare |
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| 23:49.15 | dsmelk | BigBear: compare* |
| 23:49.20 | BigBear | ok |
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| 23:50.20 | dsmelk | BigBear: ext3 use journaling to make copy safetly, NTFS don't have that technology |
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| 23:50.58 | BigBear | yes it does |
| 23:51.16 | jaggz1 | have you tried reiser? |
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| 23:51.21 | abrotman | dsmelk: ntfs has journaling |
| 23:51.30 | mbrush | BigBear couldn't you just use an NTFS partition mounted elsewhere besides root? |
| 23:51.39 | abrotman | ntfs doesn't have unix permissions |
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| 23:52.05 | dsmelk | BigBear: if you want faster try xfs |
| 23:52.28 | dsmelk | abrotman: are you sure? |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | don't make me do research :) |
| 23:52.54 | abrotman | ext3 is a good allaround FS .. if you don't know any better, use ext3 |
| 23:54.04 | erawfish | ntfs uses ACLs |
| 23:54.06 | BigBear | than use ntfs acls |
| 23:54.19 | erawfish | but linux does not support them |
| 23:54.30 | dustybin | what file system did unix boxes use in the mid-eighties? |
| 23:54.30 | BigBear | than why does ext3 have acl options than? |
| 23:54.36 | abrotman | linux does support ACLs .. not sure in the same method as ntfs .. but it does acls |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | !acl |
| 23:54.39 | dpkg | somebody said acl was Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
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| 23:55.26 | BigBear | !fat32 |
| 23:55.26 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 23:55.30 | BigBear | !fat32 |
| 23:55.34 | BigBear | !vfat |
| 23:55.35 | dpkg | from memory, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 23:55.51 | BigBear | yeah very pathetic... |
| 23:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, ntfs has journaling |
| 23:56.28 | dsmelk | BigBear: don't ntfs-3g solve this problem |
| 23:56.31 | dsmelk | ? |
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| 23:56.38 | BigBear | maybe |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | msg the bot please |
| 23:57.09 | BigBear | !ntfs |
| 23:57.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 23:57.13 | dsmelk | BigBear: try ntfs-3g |
| 23:57.16 | BigBear | !ntfs3g |
| 23:57.16 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 23:57.17 | mbrush | why does / have to be NTFS? mount it anywhere else and it's fine |
| 23:57.22 | abrotman | msg the freaking bot |
| 23:57.26 | BigBear | i am |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | no .. /msg dpkg foo |
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| 23:57.35 | BigBear | !ntfsrw |
| 23:57.35 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 23:57.37 | BigBear | o |
| 23:57.45 | themill | dpkg: tell BigBear about msg the bot |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | and it's not going to work |
| 23:57.56 | BigBear | why not ntfs owns ext3 |
| 23:58.03 | jaggz1 | what's a good fs for storing mixed small and very large postgresql databases on? |
| 23:58.04 | BigBear | it has B+ trees extents bitmap |
| 23:58.21 | jaggz1 | ntfs has journalling? |
| 23:58.32 | dsmelk | jaggz1: yes |
| 23:58.33 | BigBear | yes |
| 23:58.33 | abrotman | YES |
| 23:58.34 | jaggz1 | I've found it a nasty slow thing to repair on xp boot |
| 23:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it wouldn't work for /dev... |
| 23:58.50 | dsmelk | jaggz1: I was looking for this on google |
| 23:59.02 | BigBear | ntfs was one of the 1st filesystems to have journalling |
| 23:59.05 | dsmelk | jaggz1: really yea |
| 23:59.08 | BigBear | ext3 copys whatever ntfs gets |
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| 23:59.23 | BigBear | lol thats ext4 |
| 23:59.31 | TonyRad | I've got an issue where I can't see to get network access anywhere |
| 23:59.57 | TonyRad | It seems that I can ping IPs but not hostnames, I'm thinking it may be the DNS? What would I need to do to resolve this? |
