| 00:00.10 | dsmelk | TonyRad: I don't undertand you question |
| 00:00.18 | stew | TonyRad: does /etc/resolv.conf have a working nameserver? |
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| 00:00.25 | dsmelk | TonyRad: nano /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:00.32 | TonyRad | Yeah, probably poorly worded... Let me check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:00.33 | themill | BigBear: JFS from IBM had journals in 1990 long before nfts was even conceived. |
| 00:00.49 | dsmelk | TonyRad: set the nameserver <you new nameserver ip> |
| 00:00.51 | BigBear | ok jfs than xfs than ntfs |
| 00:00.56 | jaggz1 | I bet some high end proprietary systems had some excellent journalling? |
| 00:00.58 | TonyRad | It is empty |
| 00:01.06 | jaggz1 | anyway, that stuff probably came from DB systems.. like oracle |
| 00:01.07 | stew | TonyRad: that would explain it then |
| 00:01.09 | TonyRad | That would probably be the problem... What should I put in there? |
| 00:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 00:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a filesystem war |
| 00:01.20 | dpkg | ufs will eat all your data!! |
| 00:01.31 | stew | TonyRad: at least a nameserver line, 'man resolv.conf' |
| 00:01.34 | BigBear | EXT3 COPIES ALL THE FILESYSTEMS ITS TIME TO MAKE A NEW ONE FROM SCRATCH THAN ADD A NEW ONE |
| 00:01.45 | mbrush | so don't use it |
| 00:01.45 | stew | BigBear: please turn off your caps lock |
| 00:01.49 | BigBear | o ok |
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| 00:02.05 | BigBear | anyways i will tru reiserfs |
| 00:02.16 | mbrush | did that guys just get arrested? |
| 00:02.17 | stew | BigBear: i would not recommend reiserfs, its notoriously buggy |
| 00:02.18 | mbrush | Reiser |
| 00:02.23 | stew | mbrush: wrong channel |
| 00:02.23 | abrotman | that's the closest to ntfs IME .. it loses data the quickest :) |
| 00:02.23 | theholyduck | stew, new alsa didnt fix the sound not working on 2.6.26 but it did work on 2.6.27 |
| 00:02.26 | BigBear | ok than xfs |
| 00:02.30 | mbrush | fair nuff |
| 00:02.31 | dmoerner | BigBear, no need to shout, considering that many kernel developers agree with you and see ext4 as a stepping stone to developing btrfs as the next-generation linux filesystem |
| 00:02.32 | theholyduck | rather. it DOESNT work in mpd |
| 00:02.35 | theholyduck | but it does in mplayyer |
| 00:02.37 | amphi | BigBear: google for 'reiser' and 'horror reanimator' ;) |
| 00:02.43 | BigBear | ok |
| 00:02.45 | BigBear | g2g |
| 00:02.50 | theholyduck | where as on 27 it works in both |
| 00:02.54 | theholyduck | soo. new alsa did squat |
| 00:02.54 | TonyRad | Do I need to restart ifconfig? |
| 00:03.03 | dsmelk | TonyRad: no |
| 00:03.08 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: what doesn't work in mpd? |
| 00:03.11 | dsmelk | TonyRad: save file and use |
| 00:03.15 | theholyduck | dondelelcaro, audio |
| 00:03.46 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: and the user mpd is in the audio group? |
| 00:03.54 | theholyduck | atm its just running as root |
| 00:03.54 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: does audio work at all? |
| 00:03.56 | dsmelk | TonyRad: restart only squid or dansguardian, if you use it |
| 00:03.58 | theholyduck | it WORKS. it just comes out garbled |
| 00:04.06 | theholyduck | for that sake it comes out garbled on some mediafiles too. |
| 00:04.07 | theholyduck | actually |
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| 00:04.13 | theholyduck | with mplayer |
| 00:04.17 | theholyduck | but on 2.6.27 EVERYYTHING works |
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| 00:04.23 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: so use 2.6.27 |
| 00:04.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | What's best out of truecrypt and dm-crypt? |
| 00:04.30 | theholyduck | dondelelcaro, cant |
| 00:04.33 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: why? |
| 00:04.36 | theholyduck | no kbuild package for 2.6.27 |
| 00:04.45 | theholyduck | thus no fglxr |
| 00:04.48 | theholyduck | thus no 3d accel. |
| 00:05.05 | TonyRad | thanks! |
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| 00:05.08 | stew | theholyduck: compare the list of loaded modules in both kernels, perhaps something is getting loaded in 2.6.27 that isn't loaded in 2.6.26 |
| 00:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I've used reiserfs for a long time now, though... admittedly, it ate part of my data once ... about 7 years ago |
| 00:05.23 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: it's not like you couldn't build it using kernel-package |
| 00:05.34 | theholyduck | dondelelcaro, well sure. but its a pain :) |
| 00:05.46 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: we get more people in here with filesystem corruption in reiser than all other filesystems combined |
| 00:05.58 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: in fact, it's probably 9/10 times it's reiserfs. |
| 00:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 00:06.07 | dondelelcaro | theholyduck: your alternative is to wait for someone else to build it or for it to show up in experimental |
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| 00:06.10 | jester45 | ive never had problems with reiser |
| 00:06.16 | theholyduck | but lets try the compare modules. first though |
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| 00:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'll try xfs or something next time :) |
| 00:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but mine survived a whole bunch of power-outage caused crashes now... |
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| 00:07.10 | abrotman | what i don't get is why people are always after the fastest FS instead of the safest |
| 00:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, it might fail the same task tomorrow |
| 00:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | (not that ext3 is the safest) |
| 00:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think 9 years back I just wanted to try it out - and there was only ext2 at that time |
| 00:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | iirc |
| 00:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then I kind of stuck to it |
| 00:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I think I switched because it was the only journaling filesystem around |
| 00:08.58 | jaggz1 | does sshfs have the uid fix yet? I seem to recall it having problems. I had to run it as root (locally) and it wouldn't re-map the files for the intended local user... |
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| 00:09.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what amuses me more is that almost no one benchmarks the filesystems in the way that they're actually going to use them |
| 00:10.22 | Lagbolt | jaggz1, i use sshfs with no probs |
| 00:10.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you mean you don't write 100,000 files to the disk over and over and delete them just for fun? |
| 00:10.32 | themill | dondelelcaro: ttl meaning time-to-lose (data) in the case of a certain filesystem... |
| 00:10.38 | Lagbolt | jaggz1, i use the -o idmap=user options |
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| 00:10.53 | xlotlu | is there any piece of software that keeps track of "idleness"? |
| 00:11.07 | themill | abrotman: stew does when he's trying to convince people on #debian to use find -delete not rm *. |
| 00:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh - now I remember some more details - I was really hot on switching to a journaling file system, after fscking my new, huge ext2 partition//disk took all afternoon |
| 00:11.22 | _ykram | ime to idle to tell |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | i mean .. sometimes with the work i do, i'll write a few thousand files, and realize there was a bug and delete and redo .. but the bottleneck on those is usually CPU, not disk |
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| 00:11.51 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: it was 10GB wasn't it? :) |
| 00:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think fsck on the disk ran around... 5 hours? maybe more... |
| 00:12.03 | jaggz1 | I don't see -o idmap in my sshfs manpage... |
| 00:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, probably something around that :)) |
| 00:12.07 | jaggz1 | i'm in etch though? :/ |
| 00:12.38 | theholyduck | stew, only difference. except for the order they load in. is that the 2.6.26 loads snd_hwdep |
| 00:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, maybe even 20GB - anyways my tolerance for half-day fsck scans became rather low quite quickly |
| 00:12.40 | theholyduck | brb's |
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| 00:13.32 | colin__ | hey I'm using a tablet PC (x61t) and I'm trying to get my screen-touch to work. I don't see my tablet in lspci - does anyone see it in here? |
| 00:13.35 | colin__ | http://pastebin.com/m3a68385 |
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| 00:14.30 | jaggz1 | there it is.. in sshfs --help .. yay! |
| 00:14.31 | themill | colin__: probably line 3. Try pasting lspci -nn into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, |
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| 00:14.45 | blp | I'm having a strange problem with pbuilder-user-mode-linux. Sometimes when I use it to build a package, it hangs during the UML boot until I push a key. This seems to be random and intermittent. Any suggestions? |
| 00:15.15 | themill | colin__: unless it's a usb device (look in lsusb) |
| 00:15.33 | colin__ | themill, it's the built in one |
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| 00:16.02 | themill | colin__: built-in devices can still be usb. e.g. the intel 2100 and 2200 wifi devices were usb but completely internal |
| 00:16.08 | colin__ | ok |
| 00:16.08 | dvs | colin__: They have internal USB headers on motherboard, why not on notebooks? |
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| 00:17.01 | colin__ | good point |
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| 00:21.06 | colin__ | yeah I don't see it in kmuto.jp (neat tool by the way) - what driver should I get to get touch screen to work? |
| 00:21.42 | themill | what module did it suggest for line 3? |
| 00:22.42 | superjoe | bah, he had to go |
| 00:22.47 | superjoe | that was me on colin's computer |
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| 00:41.15 | Jymmmm | when I apt-get remove a pkg and it leaves residue, how to aI REALLY clean it out completely? |
| 00:41.55 | stew | Jymmmm: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 00:42.37 | maurizio_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.44 | maurizio_ | sorry. |
| 00:44.43 | dmoerner | does nautilus previewing of audio files work in Debian? On Sid with it turned on I don't get any previews |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | you mean where you hover over it and it plays? |
| 00:45.24 | dmoerner | yes |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | it worked in .. etch maybe? .. but mine hasn't work in quite sometime |
| 00:46.30 | dmoerner | abrotman, hm thanks i'll look at it |
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| 00:46.44 | abrotman | dmoerner: to be fair .. i don't really care :) |
| 00:47.14 | Sylphid | from what i gather debian stable is a cycle release and sid is a rolling release correct? is testing rolling or cycled ? or rolling till it reaches stability? |
| 00:47.16 | dmoerner | abrotman, neither do i but someone asked in the debian forums so i was curious |
| 00:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 00:47.59 | Jymmmm | stew: I followed what it said, did an apt-get update, apt-get install apache2, and when I do a apache2ctl -S I get: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory which when I originally installed apache2, it would have that there, in it's default config. |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | Sylphid: testing is kind of a "gel", rolling until it nears release, then it freezes, releases, and starts rolling again |
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| 00:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sylphid, normally, everything that has been in sid for > a week or so without bugs goes to testing |
| 00:48.24 | stew | Jymmmm: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sylphid, but now it's frozen until it becomes stable |
| 00:49.00 | dmoerner | abrotman, looks like a patch that fixes is it is in experimental, not in sid. |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | dmoerner: i found it more annoying than useful |
| 00:49.19 | dmoerner | i agree with you actually |
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| 00:49.43 | Jymmmm | stew: Ok, makes sense. But If I fubered xyz, and just wanted the box in a clean (virgin?) state, there's not something that will do this al in one swoop? |
| 00:51.01 | Sylphid | abrotman, is there a way to configure debian repos to stay as testing when lenny matures to stable ? |
| 00:51.25 | Sylphid | abrotman, other than changing the repos when that happens |
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| 00:51.33 | stew | Jymmmm: perhaps aptitude reinstall '~i' with the added confnew option (which works like confmiss but also replaces changed conffiles). however this still isn't guaranteed to clean everything |
| 00:52.02 | stew | Sylphid: use 'testing' in sources.list instead of 'lenny' if you want to stay with testing instead of staying with lenny |
| 00:52.51 | Sylphid | stew, cool, was hoping thats all there was to it. thanks |
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| 00:55.23 | Jymmmm | in the msg dpkg has about confmiss, is it literally --> ::Options::= in the cmd? |
| 00:55.47 | Jymmmm | colon colon OPTIONS colon colon equals |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:57.04 | Jymmmm | ok, didn't work for some reason |
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| 00:58.55 | Sylphid | im also looking to replace a custom service/host monitoring system .... i have been looking at nagios but it seems to generate lots of false positives (config issue im sure) but im wondering if there are any other monitoring systems anyone could recommend or a simplistic config tool for nagios3 |
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| 00:59.07 | Jymmmm | still no conf files being reinstalled, tried both dpkg and aptitude cmds. |
| 00:59.34 | themill | Jymmmm: what package are you reinstalling? |
| 00:59.47 | Jymmmm | themill: apache2 |
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| 01:00.00 | Jymmmm | themill: the conf files are still missing |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | apache2.2-common |
| 01:00.15 | themill | Jymmmm: they're in apache2.2-common |
| 01:00.21 | ian_ | my bios detected my maxtor drive, but the etch installer didnt. anyone know how to remedy or what driver i would choose for the hd? |
| 01:00.26 | Jymmmm | tries... |
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| 01:04.14 | Jymmmm | Ok, just ran aptitude purge apache2.2-common and it goes thru a bunch of things, then has this: Install the following packages: webfs [1.21-4.1 (stable)] and is now aksing me to confirm this is what I wnat to do. Um, what is webfs, and why is it asking me if I want to install it? |
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| 01:05.34 | stew | Jymmmm: webfs is another webserver ('apt-cache show webfs' would tell you this). likely you have something installed which depends on the virtual httpd package so in that you are removing one httpd, aptitude is trying to replace it with another |
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| 01:05.53 | themill | Jymmmm: other things you have installed need a web server (which is what webfs is). Why are you trying to purge apache now? |
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| 01:08.14 | Jymmmm | The only other thing I have in ntop, but it's not being served by apache at all (and is currently running). So, I'm not exactly sure what it's trying to compensate for. |
| 01:08.36 | ian_ | :< |
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| 01:08.59 | Jymmmm | themill: I'm trying to get a clean (virgin) iinstall again, when I used the aptitude purge and install apache2.2-common it did nto restore the config files |
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| 01:09.31 | themill | Jymmmm: that's right. That's why we gave you the confmiss commands. |
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| 01:12.08 | Jymmmm | which I did use on apache2 pkg, then used: aptitude purge apache2.2-common which is where I am now. I was mostly curious as to what it found that make sit think I need a httpd, especially when I'm (trying) to tell it to just make the system clean, and lets go from there. |
| 01:13.33 | themill | Jymmmm: except as both abrotman and I told you, the conf file is in apache2.2-common so that's the package you need to reinstall with the confmiss option, not the apache2 package. |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:14.02 | Jymmmm | (at least in my mind) if it found "something" then there's still some residue remainign somewhere, and I should at least find out what/where it is and see if that needs to be cleaned up too. |
| 01:14.39 | Jymmmm | themSorry, then I misunderstood the the conmiss should be done on the common pkg |
| 01:15.03 | magyar | hi, how can i refresh my user login when I add my user to a group, without logging out and back in? |
| 01:15.15 | Jymmmm | (man I typoed that one to hell didn't I =) |
| 01:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you log out without logging out? |
| 01:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm.. |
| 01:16.59 | Jymmmm | themill: Sorry, then I misunderstood that the confmiss cmd should have be run on the apache2.2-common pkg. But even so, if "somewhere" it still thinks that I need an httpd at this point, then there is something else on the box that I'm not aware of., and would like to know what it might be. |
| 01:17.00 | stew | Jymmmm: "aptitude search '~i~Dhttpd'" would tell you what you have installed depending on httpd |
| 01:17.09 | Jymmmm | stew: Ah, tY |
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| 01:17.35 | themill | stew: sometimes you're scary. (I was going to aptitude why...) |
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| 01:18.00 | Jymmmm | stew: nothing returned |
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| 01:19.28 | jaggz1 | when I use root and /fstab to sshfs mount.. even when root sees it as myuser.myuser, my actual user cannot access the mountpoint and sees it as ? ? |
| 01:19.41 | stew | themill: cmon, that one wasn't hard. i rarely get what i want out of aptitude why |
| 01:19.56 | stew | Jymmmm: its probably a Recommneds instead of a Depends |
| 01:20.01 | stew | and that one I have to look up |
| 01:20.54 | stew | Jymmmm: aptitude search '~i~Drecommends:httpd' |
| 01:20.54 | themill | ~R instead? |
| 01:21.00 | themill | fail. |
| 01:21.01 | stew | themill: that's reverse-dep |
| 01:21.07 | themill | ahh |
| 01:21.21 | Jymmmm | tilde i tilde ? |
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| 01:21.55 | stew | Jymmmm: yes, ~i meaning "installed" |
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| 01:24.26 | jaggz1 | anyone else use sshfs? |
| 01:24.35 | Lagbolt | jaggz1, i do |
| 01:24.42 | Jymmmm | only on mac, sorry. |
| 01:25.13 | jaggz1 | lagbolt, hello again. I'm using the idmap well -- but I can't find a way to use fstab for this.. if I mount as root I cannot access the directory as my local non-root user |
| 01:25.47 | jaggz1 | if I mount as my local non-root user I can access it, but even root cannot access the mount :) |
| 01:26.04 | Lagbolt | ah you want it to mount in fstab |
| 01:26.16 | jaggz1 | I guess I can make a shell script and just run that from my user account.. but yes, I was hoping to use fstab |
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| 01:27.13 | jaggz1 | the user is unable to mount the fstab entry, saying "mount: only root can mount sshfs#etc.etc./mountpoint" |
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| 01:27.49 | Lagbolt | jaggz1, you dont have to use mount, i do sshfs -o idmap=user foo@foo.com /mnt |
| 01:28.22 | jaggz1 | okay, so use a script for it then |
| 01:28.30 | Jymmmm | stew, themill, etc: Thank you for the help. Finally got it all cleaned out, reinstalled, and back up and running again. Appreciate the effort =) |
| 01:28.31 | Lagbolt | do you want it to mount at boot or when you want to do it? |
| 01:28.37 | Lagbolt | script? |
| 01:28.53 | Lagbolt | you can use fstab and make it work for a normal user with gid and uid options |
| 01:29.00 | jaggz1 | oh, got it |
| 01:29.08 | jaggz1 | fstab entry needs "users" in it |
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| 01:29.57 | jaggz1 | then the nonroot user can do: mount /mountpoint\n |
| 01:30.27 | jaggz1 | I still have the idmap=user, and uid=,gid= options |
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| 01:32.51 | jaggz1 | idmap makes everything appear as my user.. that's neat. but I can't see what uid and gid do |
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| 01:35.06 | jaggz1 | okay.. those seem to do the mapping.. even without my idmap entry.. okay, well I got it working and that's good enough for now -- as much as I'd like to fully understand what the options are doing |
| 01:35.10 | jaggz1 | thanks a lot lagbolt |
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| 01:41.01 | feld | there wouldn't happen to be an iceweasel maintainer in here would there? |
| 01:42.22 | stew | feld: no, but why do you ask? |
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| 01:43.19 | feld | i have an issue with firefox that doesnt happen in iceweasel and i'd like to know why. i'm guessing something was patched and sent upstream but wasnt accepted or something, but this is affecting a website we're building at work and there is no problem on any other browser -- only official firefix 2.x and 3.x. |
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| 01:44.56 | abrotman | feld: a rendering problem? |
| 01:45.06 | stew | feld: you can get the diff debian applies by going to http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel and click on a specific version. the .diff.gz will be on the right |
| 01:45.31 | feld | abrotman: firefox auto logs you out and says cookie expired -- that's the problem |
| 01:45.35 | stew | feld: you also might check for closed/archived bts to see if there is a patch |
| 01:47.43 | feld | abrotman: i don't know the exact specs because i didn't have anything to do with building it, but i'm helping track down what could be the issue. the site loads an iframe and pulls in data from another site/database (oracle backend) and when you login, it looks like it works, but clicking on anything causes you to be logged out. IE/Opera/Safari/Chrome/etc are all 100% ok -- only "official" firefox 2.x or 3.x has issues on Windows ... |
| 01:47.49 | feld | ... and Linux (can't test OSX) |
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| 01:49.36 | abrotman | feld: ISTR some issues i had at one time with the domain associated with the cookie .. have you asked #firefox on irc.mozilla.org ? also, have you tried seamonkey on windows? |
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| 01:50.41 | feld | abrotman: i have not tried seamonkey and i haven't asked in #firefox on the mozilla irc -- forgot they had their own :) |
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| 02:04.29 | AussieHatter | is it important to use same brand hard drives with s/w raid1 ? |
| 02:08.05 | feld | AussieHatter: no. in fact mixing is OK if not recommended. at least don't use ones from the same batch in RAID. if one dies, the others are likely to follow |
| 02:08.39 | feld | so mixing brands if they're the exact same size is perfectly OK in my not so professional opinion |
| 02:08.50 | feld | well, with SW raid they don't need to be the exact size anyway |
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| 02:10.03 | AussieHatter | and like you say, i ffrom same batch and they fail... I have been using same brand for the last few years, but havent tried mixing brands, |
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| 02:10.17 | AussieHatter | but now the other brand is cheaper |
| 02:10.48 | AussieHatter | i am wondering if different geometries will make the access speed slower |
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| 02:13.39 | genixpro1 | Hey. I want to install a text only Debian on my old dell latitude laptop. I would like to use the net install. However, I have a logical problem. My university network requires that, when one plugs into the network, they go onto a browser and log in with your username and password before any other connections will succeed. I'm not sure where or how to do this from within the debian installer. I went to a shell at the appropriate moment, but i c |
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| 02:14.32 | feld | genixpro1: do you have another PC? |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | genixpro1: links? w3m ? |
| 02:14.57 | genixpro1 | feld: yes, the one i'm currently on. |
| 02:15.34 | genixpro1 | abrotman: links doesn't seem to be on the 180mb net install. I'm not sure about w3c |
| 02:15.50 | feld | genixpro1: can you login on it and make the internet work, then run a proxy on that box? |
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| 02:16.37 | stew | genixpro1: the net install doesn't need the network to install. you can install a base system withtout using the network |
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| 02:16.58 | genixpro1 | feld: that would require a router. Routers are like the root of all evil on my school network, only my current comp, or the laptop i'm trying to install stuff on can be plugged in at one time |
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| 02:17.19 | genixpro1 | stew: so i can install a base system from the 180 mb image |
| 02:17.25 | stew | genixpro1: yes |
| 02:17.32 | feld | genixpro1: wtf? you don't need a router to run a proxy |
| 02:17.41 | feld | a proxy just makes it look like the traffic is coming from one box but it's not |
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| 02:17.54 | feld | and they can't even prove you're running a proxy |
| 02:17.55 | SeveredCross | genixpro1: Get a switch. |
| 02:18.04 | SeveredCross | That's what I did. |
| 02:18.16 | genixpro1 | SeveredCross: i plan to, but i can't at the moment |
| 02:18.31 | feld | well, with certain HTTP headers they might be able to... but I *highly* doubt they're filtering at that level |
| 02:18.37 | genixpro1 | stew: will the base system include some sort of web client? and, how do i do a base system install without the internet |
| 02:18.39 | SeveredCross | It was either $50 to activate a 2nd network port, or $20 for a switch from Newegg. |
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| 02:18.57 | stew | genixpro1: it will include at least wget |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | genixpro1: i don't see one on it .. maybe use CD1 .. that would have it |
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| 02:20.11 | genixpro1 | feld: they are filter everything that isn't at port 80, and redirect all page requests to the login page |
| 02:20.14 | pickcoder | is there a shared memory segment max, in programmatic terms? |
| 02:20.30 | genixpro1 | stew: can i transport the .deb file for links or such to the laptop via a flash drive without much difficulty? |
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| 02:20.45 | feld | genixpro1: but the proxy would make it look like regular HTTP traffic from your box, but really you're passing it on to the debian net installer |
| 02:20.45 | medc_pc | anyone has a GATEWAY M6820 with lenny 64? |
| 02:20.48 | stew | genixpro1: yes. /msg dpkg apt-zip ; /msg dpkg apt-move |
| 02:21.17 | genixpro1 | feld: how can i set this up? It somehow requires my old laptop to be connected to this box |
| 02:23.02 | genixpro1 | abrotman: stew, feld, thanks for your help. I'll try to install a base system go from there. |
| 02:23.08 | amphi | !tell medc_pc -abput laptop |
| 02:23.28 | amphi | !tell medc_pc -about laptop |
| 02:26.43 | feld | Acquire::http::Proxy "http://web-proxy:8088/"; Acquire::http::Proxy::debdepot DIRECT; |
| 02:26.59 | feld | genixpro1: ^^ put that in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 02:27.40 | genixpro1 | feld: on the installer computer? This computer is a windows vista computer, its my girl friends laptop |
| 02:27.45 | feld | just change the http://web-proxy:8088 to your machine's IP. if you dont have a switch (seriously? what? do you at least have two NICs?) then you're screwed |
| 02:28.04 | feld | oh it's a laptop?! bummer :X |
| 02:28.10 | medc_pc | amphi, i got a problem after i apt-get upgrade, the system load and suddenly it becomes idle |
| 02:28.12 | feld | you need a switch so so badly :( |
| 02:28.21 | feld | and i was going to have you use SSH's socks proxy too |
| 02:28.25 | feld | it would have been beautiful |
| 02:28.29 | stew | he's not screwed since the netinst can install debian without the needing the net |
| 02:28.48 | feld | stew: oh yeah, that's true |
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| 02:28.50 | medc_pc | amphi, my kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:29.09 | feld | so he can get far enough to be able to have a base system and then install the rest when he's directly connected |
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| 02:30.10 | medc_pc | amphi, ??? |
| 02:30.19 | amphi | medc_pc: what? |
| 02:30.32 | medc_pc | amphi, i got a problem after i apt-get upgrade, the system load and suddenly it becomes idle |
| 02:30.35 | genixpro1 | feld: thats the plan |
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| 02:30.54 | medc_pc | and no GDM in loaded, do you have any idea what could happend? |
| 02:31.00 | amphi | medc_pc: what do you mean? |
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| 02:31.40 | amphi | it boots to a text console? you get a blank screen? |
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| 02:32.10 | medc_pc | amphi, it boots to a text console and suddenly it becomes idle |
| 02:32.16 | kthakore | hi there I was usermodding my self to www-data group with usermod -G www-data $USER and I forgot the -a so now I am not in the admin group and I cannot sudo and the root account is disabled what can I do? |
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| 02:33.08 | medc_pc | amphi, no proccess loaded no nothing :\ |
| 02:33.40 | amphi | medc_pc: you can log in? |
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| 02:33.58 | medc_pc | nop |
| 02:34.20 | medc_pc | amphi, no GDM displayed |
| 02:34.22 | amphi | you can't log in to a text console? |
| 02:34.30 | medc_pc | nop |
| 02:34.42 | amphi | what happens if you try? |
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| 02:36.19 | kthakore | anyone? |
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| 02:37.22 | stdisease | kthakore: ? |
| 02:37.45 | medc_pc | amphi, you know when you turn on the pc, then the GRUB is loaded then u use the fisrt kernel, then is goes thru a console where all the module are loaded, well suddenly stop loading module and that is nothing happend :( |
| 02:37.48 | kthakore | I was usermodding my self to www-data group with usermod -G www-data $USER and I forgot the -a so now I am not in the admin group and I cannot sudo and the root account is disabled what can I do? |
| 02:37.56 | kthakore | stdisease above |
| 02:38.00 | kthakore | ;( |
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| 02:38.03 | hellues | hey |
| 02:38.54 | stdisease | kthakore: reboot in single user mode? |
| 02:39.08 | kthakore | stdisease I am sshing lol |
| 02:39.17 | kthakore | I am screwed aren't I |
| 02:39.23 | amphi | medc_pc: at what point does it seem to hang? |
| 02:39.27 | stdisease | from the looks of things :p |
| 02:40.15 | hellues | hey |
| 02:40.25 | hellues | i have nvidia 8400 gs |
| 02:40.32 | hellues | and i am using debian lenny |
| 02:40.38 | kthakore | goddamn -a switch |
| 02:40.44 | kthakore | I feel like a noob |
| 02:41.10 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/20210/ it is my xorg.conf.Thats enough for nvidia to recieve full performance |
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| 02:42.44 | medc_pc | amphi, last line loaded is |
| 02:43.11 | medc_pc | [90.716327]ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP):eth0: link is not ready |
| 02:44.04 | amphi | not overly helpful |
| 02:44.20 | hellues | overylay option ? |
| 02:44.24 | hellues | in device |
| 02:44.56 | ryanhaigh | hi all, im just trying to find out which cds i would need for a minimal lenny install |
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| 02:45.11 | acidslep | ok! |
| 02:45.13 | amphi | medc_pc: hitting ctrl-c at that point doesn't help? |
| 02:45.32 | hellues | netinst |
| 02:45.35 | hellues | ryanhaigh, |
| 02:45.42 | medc_pc | amphi, nop it appear like this ^C |
| 02:45.48 | hellues | just install base system and grub |
| 02:45.51 | hellues | than exit |
| 02:46.14 | hellues | ryanhaigh, this is minimal install of debian |
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| 02:46.27 | ryanhaigh | hellues: does the netinst have those packages on the cd? |
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| 02:47.00 | ryanhaigh | hellues: i tried the business card iso but internet access at work was too slow |
| 02:47.08 | amphi | medc_pc: thought not :( |
| 02:47.27 | hellues | ryanhaigh, which package ? |
| 02:47.39 | amphi | medc_pc: does the older kernel still boot? |
| 02:47.47 | ryanhaigh | the packages for the base system, grub, kernel etc |
| 02:48.02 | adb_ | sure ... hehe |
| 02:48.05 | hellues | netinst cd has all of them |
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| 02:48.15 | ryanhaigh | ok great thanks |
| 02:48.21 | hellues | just install base system then install grub |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | ryanhaigh: use the netinst |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | ryanhaigh: use a daily netinst .. not a beta2 |
| 02:48.44 | pablo | hi, i am using mpg123 and here no sound. dont know which is the problem because when i open mplayer and change volume it then appears the sound |
| 02:48.54 | hellues | ryanhaigh, debian lenny installer --> google |
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| 02:49.35 | abrotman | ryanhaigh: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ... maybe half way down .. get a daily |
| 02:49.37 | medc_pc | amphi, i only have one kernel in the GRUB screen, one with the (single user mode) and the other one without the single user mode, nothing more |
| 02:50.52 | hellues | muha |
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| 02:52.40 | amphi | medc_pc: you removed the old one? |
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| 02:52.56 | hellues | medc_pc, what is version of your kernel ? |
| 02:53.00 | ryanhaigh | hellues & abrotman thanks for the help |
| 02:53.21 | hellues | welcome |
| 02:53.25 | medc_pc | amphi, dunno |
| 02:53.56 | hellues | medc_pc, you use debian potato or sarge or lenny or sid |
| 02:53.58 | hellues | ? |
| 02:54.06 | medc_pc | hellues, lenny |
| 02:54.18 | medc_pc | hellues, 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:54.45 | hellues | i think you must install its source,header,kbuild and tree package |
| 02:55.07 | hellues | and image reinstall |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | medc_pc: how long have you let it sit? |
| 02:56.05 | medc_pc | abrotman, what u talking about? |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | medc_pc: when it "hangs" how long did you wait? |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | medc_pc: tried hitting "ctrl-c" ? |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | tried to append "acpi=off" or "noapic" to your kernel line? |
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| 02:57.30 | amphi | medc_pc: which kernel booted ok? |
| 02:57.38 | medc_pc | abrotman, hangs like 5 min and nothing happend, i tried Crtl-c nothing happend, i already did that in my kernel line |
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| 02:58.08 | abrotman | both at the same time? |
| 02:58.20 | blizzow | What's the official way to get compiz going on etch? |
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| 02:58.53 | abrotman | !tell blizzow about compiz |
| 02:58.54 | medc_pc | abrotman, @ diff times |
| 02:58.55 | hellues | shame is a good |
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| 02:59.06 | hellues | choice i think |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | medc_pc: you can try both |
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| 02:59.29 | abrotman | medc_pc: if you have the ability .. remove/disable that device |
| 03:00.15 | hellues | just i wonder what is "noapic".What is it for |
| 03:00.46 | abrotman | hellues: see the kernel documentation |
| 03:00.58 | hellues | hmm |
| 03:01.02 | medc_pc | abrotman, which device? |
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| 03:01.17 | abrotman | medc_pc: didn't you say it was stalling on your NIC ? |
| 03:01.44 | hellues | what is the difference between linux-image-2.6.26-1 , linux-image-2.6.26-1-bigmem |
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| 03:02.32 | amphi | hellues: bigmem is more than 4GB RAM, I believe |
| 03:02.43 | hellues | puha |
| 03:02.57 | pickcoder | 4GB+ |
| 03:03.04 | stew | yes, bigmem has the CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G option enabled |
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| 03:03.13 | hellues | core 2 duo doesnt see more than 3 gb i heard that :D |
| 03:03.21 | pickcoder | but if it's over 5GB you're better off with 64-bit IMO |
| 03:03.25 | hellues | i need quadro for bigmem |
| 03:03.26 | hellues | :D |
| 03:03.41 | amphi | hellues: my laptop supports 8GB, it seems |
| 03:04.03 | amphi | hellues: c2d/ich8 |
| 03:04.03 | hellues | D, |
| 03:04.11 | pickcoder | is there a per parent-process limiation on shared memory allocation? |
| 03:04.11 | hellues | hahah |
| 03:04.14 | pickcoder | limitation |
| 03:04.35 | pickcoder | byte-wise..not sempahore ID count |
| 03:04.43 | amphi | hellues: but 4GB modules are not sensibly priced |
| 03:05.09 | amphi | also, I don't really need that big a file cache ;) |
| 03:05.09 | medc_pc | hellues, dude i try to enter thru single user mode :S |
| 03:05.17 | pickcoder | amphi: I think that anyone running enough programs to justify 8GB on laptop are not sane either |
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| 03:06.02 | pickcoder | SSD's are probably cheaper than RAMdisk for lappies anyway |
| 03:06.14 | hellues | medc_pc, what is thru ? |
| 03:07.34 | hellues | mecca, what is yoru problem anyway ? |
| 03:08.03 | medc_pc | hellues, means like i use the single user mod and everything works ok :| so i dunno what's happend :( |
| 03:08.24 | esaym | anyone know how I can put accent marks above a letter with a us keyboard/setup? |
| 03:08.59 | Ox41464b | Ill need apache with mod_bandwidth/mod_bw installed, its this enough ? "apt-get install apache" -- Im on Linux 2.4.31.120407-2 #1 SMP i686 unknown |
| 03:09.38 | medc_pc | hellues, it is hang out again :@ |
| 03:09.50 | hellues | medc_pc, no option except single user mode :D |
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| 03:10.16 | medc_pc | hellues, yeah :( |
| 03:10.21 | hellues | :D |
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| 03:10.44 | medc_pc | hellues, but what the diff between single user mod and the NO! single user mod |
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| 03:10.49 | hellues | i dunno actually if were you i reinstal kernel |
| 03:11.04 | stew | Ox41464b: you want libapache2-mod-bw which will pull in apache2. what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:11.13 | hellues | i dont know what the single user mode function |
| 03:11.14 | medc_pc | hellues any help? |
| 03:11.19 | hellues | i never use it |
| 03:11.32 | hellues | i i were you.I reinstall kernel :D |
| 03:12.04 | Ox41464b | stew, i dont know... |
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| 03:12.05 | hellues | remove from /var/cache/apt/archive than remove from synaptic |
| 03:12.15 | hellues | than reinstall it if i were you |
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| 03:12.24 | stew | Ox41464b: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 03:12.42 | Ox41464b | stew, mod_bw (apache2) mod_bandwidth(apache1.3); how to check libc version? |
| 03:12.42 | noborusa | where is the page of the debian sources.list ? |
| 03:13.14 | stew | Ox41464b: what does 'apt-cache policy libc6' say for "Installed:" ? |
| 03:13.18 | Ox41464b | apache: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.2.5-11.8 is to be installed |
| 03:13.20 | hellues | noborusa, /etc/apt/sources.list you mean that |
| 03:13.24 | stew | noborusa: /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 03:13.38 | Ox41464b | stew: Installed: 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 03:14.08 | stew | dpkg: info libc6 sarge |
| 03:14.34 | stew | dondelelcaro: 23:14 <dpkg> FIXME: files//debian/Packages-sarge-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
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| 03:14.51 | noborusa | hellues, stew ,thanks. |
| 03:15.37 | Ox41464b | stew: # apt-get install apache -- http://pastebin.com/m34273f81 |
| 03:15.40 | stew | Ox41464b: you need to upgrade to etch, the current version of debian. the one you are running is no longer supported, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 03:16.17 | hellues | when will debian lenny become stable ? |
| 03:16.35 | dondelelcaro | !wwlr |
| 03:16.35 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 03:18.39 | hellues | dondelelcaro, Factoid search of 'lenny pool' by key (2): lenny pool 1 ;; lenny pool what does it mean |
| 03:18.54 | stew | Ox41464b: yeah, actually it seems that your install is actually older than sarge, so you first need to upgrade to sarge, then upgrade to etch |
| 03:19.03 | dondelelcaro | hellues: it's a pool to predict when lenny will release. |
| 03:19.34 | Ox41464b | stew: looks like scary plans to me :( |
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| 03:19.48 | hellues | :D |
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| 03:22.03 | Ox41464b | stew, i have another machine that already have Apache 1.3; and require to manually compile mod_bandwidth; any docs related to this mod will require /usr/sbin/apxs which i didnt had... any idea whats wrong? |
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| 03:22.23 | wad | Any of you guys familiar with mdadm? I've got a RAID-1 with three active drives. I want to remove one of them, and use it as an offsite backup. How do I specify which device I want to remove frmo the array? I can do this, I think: mdadm /dev/md0 --grow --raid-devices=2 |
| 03:22.46 | wad | But how to specify that /dev/sdc1 is to be removed? |
| 03:23.00 | wad | I can always just power it down (it's an external drive, on USB). |
| 03:23.08 | wad | But that seems rather... rough. |
| 03:23.29 | stew | Ox41464b: yeah, you are missing the apache-dev package. but you need to upgrade this box, it is running an operating system that was obsoleted by a new version which is now obsoleted by yet another version, and you are vulnerable to many security problems |
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| 03:24.32 | Ox41464b | stew, thanks god that machine hiding behind firewall and only one tcp port visible |
| 03:24.33 | hellues | apt-spy -d testing -a Asia what is the function of that |
| 03:26.11 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/20211/ what does it download ? |
| 03:27.04 | stew | hellues: i'd guess the Release file |
| 03:27.07 | funyun | i accidentally clicked "lock firewall" on on firestarter via vnc viewer for my dedicated server. now i'm locked out. when i try to ssh in it keeps asking for my password after i type the correct one in. is there anyway to get back in without rebooting the server? |
| 03:27.59 | hellues | ookey release file but what is the benefit of apt-spy -a testing -d Asia to me ? |
| 03:28.10 | hellues | you know stew ? |
| 03:28.21 | stew | hellues: figuring out which mirror in asia seems fastest for you |
| 03:28.37 | extor | What are some other popular window managers besides compiz-fusion which can do wobbly windows and cube-switchin and other cool stuff? |
| 03:28.45 | hellues | hmm |
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| 03:29.42 | medc_pc | hellues, which kernel do you recommend |
| 03:29.52 | medc_pc | hellues, i use lenny ad amd64 |
| 03:30.11 | hellues | your processor is 64bit |
| 03:30.17 | medc_pc | hellues, yes |
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| 03:32.06 | hellues | i guess remove and install same kernel but dont forget remove package from /var/cache/apt/archive and install its header,kbuild package |
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| 03:33.34 | medc_pc | hellues, have the procedures? i am kinda noob |
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| 03:34.12 | hellues | medc_pc, actually i am not advanced user :D |
| 03:34.48 | medc_pc | well how would you do it? |
| 03:35.06 | hellues | do it what ? |
| 03:35.15 | medc_pc | remove install same kernel |
| 03:35.47 | hellues | hmm |
| 03:36.15 | hellues | may be you did something wrong |
| 03:36.24 | hellues | may be it fix something i dunno |
| 03:36.48 | hellues | just try :D |
| 03:37.10 | medc_pc | actually i have a lot of files in the /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:37.16 | hellues | i think you must try but you kow what do do it is my idea |
| 03:37.26 | hellues | medc_pc, |
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| 03:37.39 | hellues | do you know spesific package name of kernel |
| 03:37.45 | hellues | this must be |
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| 03:38.02 | hellues | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 somehing like that |
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| 03:39.11 | medc_pc | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-5_amd64.deb |
| 03:39.13 | medc_pc | and |
| 03:39.18 | medc_pc | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-8_amd64.deb |
| 03:39.49 | hellues | remove two of them i think |
| 03:41.21 | medc_pc | ok |
| 03:41.30 | rhodescus | medc_pc: make sure you reinstall a kernel before you do anything like rebooting :) |
| 03:42.02 | hellues | :d, |
| 03:42.25 | rhodescus | O:-) |
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| 03:43.23 | Tim-S | I'm running debian lenny and I need to compile a program with an older version of gcc. What is the safest way to do that? |
| 03:44.06 | rhodescus | Tim-S: safest is to use an older version of debian on a different box, or inside a VM |
| 03:44.36 | Tim-S | what software would be good for the vm? VMware player? |
| 03:44.59 | rhodescus | qemu comes with debian, and works OK 99.999% of the time. |
| 03:45.12 | adb_ | virtualbox |
| 03:45.21 | hellues | what is qemu |
| 03:45.29 | Tim-S | if I wanted to opt for a faster, less safe way, what would that be? |
| 03:45.32 | streuner | !info qemu |
| 03:45.53 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.9.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 10296 kB, Installed size: 29832 kB |
| 03:46.02 | pickcoder | Ox41464b: what are you using bandwidth for? |
| 03:46.05 | rhodescus | http://packages.debian.org/qemu |
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| 03:46.36 | rhodescus | Tim-S: running a VM is probably faster |
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| 03:47.06 | Tim-S | rhodescus: doesn't that involve downloading an entire image of debian? |
| 03:47.17 | rhodescus | Tim-S: No |
| 03:47.36 | Tim-S | ok, don't waste your time answering me. I need to do some reading :-p |
| 03:47.42 | rhodescus | Tim-S: use your debian install cdrom to boot qemu, and install it on a virtual hard drive. |
| 03:47.59 | Ox41464b | pickcoder, what? |
| 03:48.11 | pickcoder | you commented earlier about mod_bandwidth on 1.3 |
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| 03:48.12 | rhodescus | Tim-S: unless you go far enough back, you can do a net install |
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| 03:48.21 | pickcoder | cband is more powerful for client usage control |
| 03:48.45 | Ox41464b | pickcoder, cband works on apache1.3? |
| 03:48.50 | pickcoder | not sure |
| 03:49.12 | pickcoder | nope.. never mind |
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| 03:53.46 | faheem | Hi. I just upgraded to lenny, but noticed something funny about emacs. Debian thinks it is 22, but according to emacs --version it is 21.4. I must be missing something. |
| 03:54.22 | streuner | judd, versions emacs |
| 03:54.23 | judd | streuner: emacs: 21.4a+1-3etch1 (etch) 21.4a+1-3etch1 (etch-security) 22.2+2-4 (lenny) 22.2+2-4 (sid) |
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| 03:55.06 | pickcoder | faheem: you did a dist-upgrade? |
| 03:55.11 | faheem | I just installed emacs22. |
| 03:55.47 | faheem | pickcoder: Yes, in part. Looks like an upgrade artifact. However, shouldn't installation of emacs force installation of emacs22 on lenny? |
| 03:56.14 | pickcoder | not if there are depends problems that aptitude can't automatically handle |
| 03:56.20 | pickcoder | it'll get held back |
| 03:56.43 | Sharkey | hello. |
| 03:56.44 | faheem | pickcoder: No, it was not held back. |
| 03:56.54 | pickcoder | then it should have been upgraded |
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| 03:57.28 | pickcoder | look at your apt log and see if you can figure out what happened |
| 03:57.56 | faheem | pickcoder: alternatives is still pointing to emacs21 though 22 is installed. Funny. |
| 03:58.24 | streuner | might be a bug then (alternatives) |
| 03:58.38 | Sharkey | I have Debian Etch installed. I need to install the gcc 4.3.x compiler but it is not available for Etch. I would like to install the Lenny package gcc-4.3 How would I specify to apt-get to install the Lenny package? |
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| 03:58.55 | pickcoder | is that part of the postinst for emacs? |
| 03:58.57 | streuner | You don't |
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| 03:59.06 | streuner | good question :-) |
| 03:59.19 | streuner | install emacs and see |
| 03:59.29 | hellues | change you sources.list form etch to lenny i guess |
| 03:59.50 | streuner | alternatives is a simple symlink, you can alter that easily |
| 04:00.04 | Sharkey | hellues: do I just do a simple string substitute in sources.list, and change "etch" to "lenny" ? |
| 04:00.06 | faheem | Sharkey: Not recommended, you'll pull in a lot of other stuff. |
| 04:00.07 | pickcoder | right after I finish the 100 other non-important task around the house I never have time for |
| 04:00.21 | hellues | yes |
| 04:00.23 | streuner | pickcoder: hrhr |
| 04:00.35 | faheem | Sharkey: Can't do what you want easily. Suggest upgrading to lenny. |
| 04:00.39 | hellues | i think |
| 04:01.00 | streuner | pickcoder: /msg dpkg start a editor war :-P |
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| 04:01.51 | funyun | i accidentally clicked "lock firewall" on on firestarter via vnc viewer for my dedicated server. now i'm locked out. when i try to ssh in it keeps asking for my password after i type the correct one in. is there anyway to get back in without rebooting the server? |
| 04:02.03 | streuner | Sharkey: look at bpo (backports.org) |
| 04:02.04 | pickcoder | I dunno if that would work tonight |
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| 04:02.18 | Tim-S | rhodescus: this is pretty neat, and I'm running the debian installer via qemu, but it seems tobe hung up on detecting my hardware/cdrom drive |
| 04:02.39 | Sharkey | faheem: I am surprised there is not a apt-get build=lenny install gcc-4.3 :( |
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| 04:02.43 | pickcoder | funyun: did you save the config? |
| 04:03.05 | funyun | pickcoder: no |
| 04:03.24 | rhodescus | Tim-S just a sec |
| 04:03.31 | superfirelord42 | Tim-S, how much ram did you give the QEMU VM? |
| 04:03.50 | Tim-S | 128? |
| 04:04.01 | pickcoder | I don't think you have many options, but I'd wait for another answer. I normally use shorewall. |
| 04:04.06 | Tim-S | I 128MB, I just left it as the defaul |
| 04:04.10 | Tim-S | *default |
| 04:04.19 | rhodescus | Tim-S: that should be fine |
| 04:04.23 | pickcoder | (luckily it will reset when you reboot if you didn't save the config) |
| 04:04.26 | superfirelord42 | eh, thats plenty... i saw someone try to do it with 16 once though, not pretty at all... |
| 04:04.54 | rhodescus | Tim-S: are you using a /dev/hdc or /dev/sr0 or something like that? |
| 04:04.59 | funyun | pickcoder: ya, the admin is a dick so i don't see that happening anytime soon.. |
| 04:05.04 | rhodescus | Tim-S: if so, try /dev/cdrom |
| 04:05.15 | Tim-S | I did do /dev/cdrom |
| 04:05.34 | funyun | pickcoder: thanks anyway |
| 04:05.34 | rhodescus | Tim-S: OK, try running (as root) umount /dev/cdrom then starting qemu |
| 04:06.14 | rhodescus | Tim-S: but don't eject it. |
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| 04:06.57 | rhodescus | Tim-S: for reference, I find it easier to use dd to copy the cdrom image to a file, and point qemu to the file. |
| 04:07.15 | Sharkey | streuner: I checked backports.org but there is no backport for gcc-4.3.x for Etch it seems. |
| 04:07.35 | rhodescus | Tim-S: as in: -cdrom /home/rhodesc/XP/xp.iso |
| 04:07.45 | streuner | judd, versions gcc |
| 04:07.46 | judd | streuner: gcc: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch) 4:4.3.2-2 (lenny) 4:4.3.2-2 (sid) |
| 04:08.38 | streuner | Sharkey: well, you are out of luck then, /msg dpkg simple sid backport or just upgrade to lenny |
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| 04:08.59 | faheem | OK, bug report sent. |
| 04:09.02 | Tim-S | rhodescus: so something like: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/tim/deb.iso |
| 04:09.10 | Sharkey | streuner: ok thanks, I'll read up. |
| 04:09.11 | rhodescus | Yes |
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| 04:09.28 | faheem | gcc is non-trivial to backport, since it is tightly coupled with the toolchain. |
| 04:09.33 | streuner | Sharkey: dunno if its that easy via <simple sid backport>, but its easy |
| 04:10.01 | streuner | Sharkey: easy to use, but it might be a depends problem |
| 04:10.10 | Tim-S | rhodescus: is it safe to do this with my windows install disks as well? |
| 04:10.31 | rhodescus | Tim-S: Yes |
| 04:10.32 | streuner | Sharkey: well, you read what faheem told you... |
| 04:11.06 | rhodescus | Tim-S: that's actually how I back up cdrom install disks to dvd. |
| 04:11.55 | Tim-S | this is pretty cool stuff |
| 04:12.22 | rhodescus | Yeah, I have dos, 2K and XP in qemu images |
| 04:12.28 | Tim-S | hrm, dd says reading /dev/cdrom input/output error, but it appears to have copied a file of the correct size |
| 04:12.33 | Tim-S | ha, neat |
| 04:12.37 | rhodescus | I can actually play hexen/heretic/doom inside qemu |
| 04:12.48 | Tim-S | where do you even get DOS anymore? |
| 04:12.51 | faheem | Sharkey: You can certainly install gcc whatever from lenny on etch, but you'll pull in lenny stuff too, eg libc6, binutils and what not. So, you'll end up with a mixture of etch and lenny. Probably will run, but will be a mess. |
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| 04:13.23 | pickcoder | Sharkey: you can manually install the compiler under /usr/local/ but you will also have to manually configure your build environment to adjust the GCC versions and such for each compilation. |
| 04:13.27 | rhodescus | http://www.freedos.org/ |
| 04:13.29 | superfirelord42 | Tim-S, i actually got hold of some dos 6.22 |
| 04:13.51 | superfirelord42 | put it on a VM, and installed windows 3.1 on it... |
| 04:13.53 | rhodescus | There are lots of DOS images on the net, but they are pirated, technically. Except freedos |
| 04:13.56 | superfirelord42 | then it crashed... |
| 04:14.10 | faheem | pickcoder: Yes, local installation is possible. But gentoo etc. much better for this kind of thing. |
| 04:14.17 | pickcoder | Tim-S: freedos |
| 04:14.29 | streuner | !bobbit |
| 04:15.00 | Tim-S | adds to bookmarks |
| 04:15.00 | pickcoder | oh.. didn't see rhodescus's comment |
| 04:15.13 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 04:15.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 04:15.27 | pickcoder | has dos 6.22 in the archive |
| 04:15.41 | pickcoder | and QuickBASIC 4.5 with the .exe linker |
| 04:15.45 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 04:15.48 | Tim-S | now normally I have to pass the parameter noapic during boot for this comp, but since this is on virtualization, that is not necessary right? |
| 04:15.48 | rhodescus | Heh |
| 04:16.01 | rhodescus | Tim-S: that's right |
| 04:16.17 | extor | Is there any plugin where when you drag a window to the left or right edges of the desktop...the window sorta "skews" itself into a narrower and narrower space, almost in a 3D way? |
| 04:16.23 | r121 | This may be a dumb question, but I've compiled ssh myself to play around with it, and put my custom ssh binary in /usr/local/bin. Now, that path is in my path, so when I "which ssh" it tells me the correct one. If I run it giving it the full path to it, it runs fine, but if I just run "ssh" it tries to run the old one in /usr/bin, even if I remove that one (just gives me /usr/bin/ssh: No such file or directory). Any id |
| 04:16.23 | r121 | eas? |
| 04:16.43 | rhodescus | Tim-S: you might want to use the -localtime flag for qemu |
| 04:16.50 | faheem | So, I opened http://bugs.debian.org/503892 |
| 04:17.01 | faheem | Been a while since I filed a Debian bug report. |
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| 04:17.23 | rhodescus | Tim-S: and -net nic,vlan=0 -net user,vlan=0 should give you network access |
| 04:18.08 | r121 | I don't seem to have any aliases defined or anything in bash, so I don't understand why it's trying to run the original ssh |
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| 04:18.32 | rhodescus | r121: close and open your shell with the new config. |
| 04:19.03 | Tim-S | yeah I definitly need network access because it is the net install cd |
| 04:19.27 | r121 | rhalff: huh. I figured it was something simple like that :) thanks, that did it |
| 04:19.44 | r121 | rhodescus: sorry, stupid tab completion ;) |
| 04:19.47 | rhodescus | r121: welcome, yeah that happened to me too |
| 04:19.58 | rhodescus | r121: the shell thing |
| 04:20.03 | Tim-S | nice, unmounting the cdrom drive before running it fixed that problem |
| 04:20.12 | rhodescus | Tim-S: cool |
| 04:20.33 | Tim-S | so right now it is going to write all of the changes I make to the .img file I created? |
| 04:20.39 | Tim-S | and I can just boot from that in the future |
| 04:20.47 | rhodescus | Tim-S: yes |
| 04:21.14 | rhodescus | Tim-S: it is best to create a bash file or whatever to start qemu with the correct options |
| 04:21.51 | Tim-S | yeah I am writing down all the options I needed to do to make it work |
| 04:22.15 | Tim-S | I'm curious why the cdrom had to be unmounted, even when I was using the .iso file i created with dd? |
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| 04:22.41 | rhodescus | Tim-S: not sure about that. |
| 04:23.01 | rhodescus | Tim-S: usually the cdrom has to be unmounted just when used directly |
| 04:23.11 | black_13 | what would be a good troubleshooting start to fix a lack of sound on my debian etch box? |
| 04:23.13 | rhodescus | Tim-S: because the automounter has it otherwise. |
| 04:23.18 | Tim-S | yeah |
| 04:23.39 | rhodescus | Tim-S: did you have an extra drive option? |
| 04:24.06 | rhodescus | Tim-S: I usually start qemu specifying just the disk image and the cdrom image |
| 04:24.28 | Tim-S | I just did -cdrom ../Etch/debetchi386.iso -hda debetch.img |
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| 04:25.10 | rhodescus | Tim-S: that should work. Here's my sample: -boot c -m 256 -hda /home/rhodesc/XP/xp.qb -cdrom /home/rhodesc/XP/xp.iso |
| 04:25.20 | Tim-S | although I added in the local time and networking commands as well, so perhaps those fixed the problem? |
| 04:25.37 | massmc | puts a piece of paper in the floppy drive and pulls it in and out repeatedly. "There, all fixed I hope" |
| 04:25.39 | rhodescus | Tim-S: localtime uses the local time for the virtual PC's clock |
| 04:25.50 | Tim-S | the only differnce is I have -boot d |
| 04:25.56 | Thick_McRunfast | How would one force an unmount of all mounted network drives? |
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| 04:26.08 | rhodescus | Tim-S: yeah, I'm not sure why you'd have to unmount. |
| 04:26.12 | Tim-S | hrm |
| 04:26.17 | Thick_McRunfast | I changed my IP and nfs/samba are locking up anything that tries to touch anything near those mounts |
| 04:26.45 | Tim-S | something to investigate later when it is not so late :-p |
| 04:26.51 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 04:26.56 | rhodescus | Tim-S: Yeah! |
| 04:27.13 | Thick_McRunfast | rhodescus: On the client? |
| 04:27.27 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: that shuts down the server |
| 04:27.42 | Thick_McRunfast | Yes, that would shut down the server |
| 04:27.48 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm talking about the client though |
| 04:28.10 | Thick_McRunfast | "How would one force an unmount of all mounted network drives?" |
| 04:28.15 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: OK, you should be able to use the shared folders widget |
| 04:28.32 | Thick_McRunfast | Shared folders widget? |
| 04:28.46 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: no, that's wrong, ignore me |
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| 04:29.01 | Thick_McRunfast | Roger that |
| 04:29.07 | rhodescus | Thick: are the mounts showing on your desktop? |
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| 04:29.25 | Thick_McRunfast | rhodescus: I have no "desktop" |
| 04:29.56 | rhodescus | Thick: then use smbclient for the samba shares? |
| 04:30.40 | Thick_McRunfast | Thank you for trying, I'm looking for something much more low level than anything you've mentioned. |
| 04:31.04 | rhodescus | Thick: OK, I normally don't mount windows shares onto linux boxes |
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| 04:31.25 | rhodescus | Thick: I have one mount that doesn't bother anything even when I'm not on the network. |
| 04:31.47 | Tim-S | Sorry if this is stupid, but couldn't you just mount all shares in a specific folder and write a bash script to unmount each subfolder? |
| 04:32.50 | superfirelord42 | Thick_McRunfast, you are trying to force an umount? |
| 04:32.52 | rhodescus | Thick: there is a umountnfs.sh in /etc/init.d |
| 04:32.55 | Thick_McRunfast | Tim-S: The problem that rhodescus has been completely missing is that I cannot unmount the mounts |
| 04:32.59 | Thick_McRunfast | superfirelord42: Yes |
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| 04:33.18 | Thick_McRunfast | I tried umount /dir/ -f, but it failed |
| 04:33.19 | superfirelord42 | do a -f as an option, its a force option, works for nfs... |
| 04:33.24 | superfirelord42 | not sure about samba |
| 04:33.27 | superfirelord42 | it failed? |
| 04:33.39 | Thick_McRunfast | Oh wait a minute, it gave me an error but unmounted it anyway |
| 04:33.44 | Thick_McRunfast | gah. |
| 04:33.45 | Tim-S | >.< |
| 04:34.12 | superfirelord42 | -.- |
| 04:34.21 | superfirelord42 | it worked :) |
| 04:34.23 | Thick_McRunfast | Wonderful, I can't trust my own machine. |
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| 04:34.41 | Thick_McRunfast | "umount.nfs: Server failed to unmount 'games10.local:/storage/backup'" |
| 04:34.50 | Thick_McRunfast | but it unmounts anyway |
| 04:35.18 | superfirelord42 | hmm, that means the server still thinks its mounted, even though it isnt... i assume |
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| 04:35.37 | superfirelord42 | so local, you are free, your sever may need to restart nfs |
| 04:35.47 | superfirelord42 | (unless i am confused) |
| 04:35.58 | Tim-S | has anyone read the remove my email request that got sent out to the debian devel list today? |
| 04:36.29 | superfirelord42 | nope, Tim-S can you link me to it? or is it not on the web. |
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| 04:37.25 | Tim-S | it does not appear to be in the arcives yet :-( |
| 04:38.02 | adb_ | but URL is still there ;) |
| 04:38.10 | superfirelord42 | ack, that takes away all the fun... |
| 04:38.16 | superfirelord42 | adb_, where? |
| 04:38.20 | Thick_McRunfast | There are times I wish I knew more about the process of how linux development works, I am fairly certain that I could fix umount. The fact that it gives an error message before trying to force-unmount a drive is insane. |
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| 04:38.43 | rhodescus | Tim-S: heh, thanks for that 'tab completion' tip. I'm still new to IRC. |
| 04:38.46 | adb_ | superfirelord42: ask Tim-S |
| 04:38.48 | Tim-S | adb_: I tried incrementing the msg# in the url, is it there? |
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| 04:39.13 | Tim-S | rhodescus: I said something about tab completion?? |
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| 04:39.45 | rhodescus | Tim-S: oh crap that was r121 |
| 04:39.48 | Tim-S | :-p |
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| 04:40.38 | Tim-S | found it |
| 04:40.41 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: maybe it means it couldn't contact the server |
| 04:40.49 | Tim-S | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/10/msg00747.html |
| 04:40.56 | Tim-S | I found the replies humorous :-) |
| 04:41.29 | superfirelord42 | goes to check |
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| 04:42.32 | pythetic | can i host a debian package repository from debian cd/dvd iso images? |
| 04:43.26 | rhodescus | pythetic: yes but you need to reconstruct the repository information as far as I know. |
| 04:43.37 | Thick_McRunfast | What are the numbers that come after an IP? for example, 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 04:43.51 | Thick_McRunfast | I understand what they do, I just don't know what they are called |
| 04:43.59 | Thick_McRunfast | I'd like to learn more so I can make them do my bidding |
| 04:44.02 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: netmask |
| 04:44.25 | Thick_McRunfast | Hmm |
| 04:44.26 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: that specifies the number of significant bits in the local network |
| 04:44.37 | pythetic | rhodescus: i'd just concatenate the Packages files? |
| 04:44.50 | rhodescus | Anything that doesn't or with the netmask bits is sent to a router. |
| 04:45.15 | pythetic | and the images don't have a Release.gpg file :-/ |
| 04:45.19 | rhodescus | pythetic: it has been a while since I had to do that, but that is a starting place. The error messages are pretty easy to understand as I remember. |
| 04:45.29 | rhodescus | pythetic: yeah |
| 04:45.37 | Tim-S | rhodescus: the install is taking a fairly long time, it that to be expected with virtualization? i.e. it is still working on installing the base system |
| 04:45.54 | pythetic | rhodescus: so the packages will be "unauthenticated"? |
| 04:46.04 | rhodescus | Tim-S: yes, qemu usually takes a long time to install. |
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| 04:46.32 | rhodescus | pythetic: the packages should be signed |
| 04:46.45 | pythetic | oh.. then what's the Release.gpg? |
| 04:47.18 | rhodescus | pythetic: that, I am not sure |
| 04:47.48 | rhodescus | pythetic: it isn't the signed package list? |
| 04:48.40 | rhodescus | Tim-S: with debian, usually just the hardware scanning should take a long time, I think. |
| 04:48.46 | pythetic | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg |
| 04:49.01 | rhodescus | Tim-S: windows 2k takes the longest to install, over an hour |
| 04:49.12 | Tim-S | wow haha |
| 04:49.19 | Tim-S | all this to get an older version of gcc :-p |
| 04:49.25 | pythetic | signature for diigests of package lists |
| 04:49.35 | pythetic | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 04:49.36 | rhodescus | pythetic: yeah, that's reight |
| 04:49.44 | Tim-S | pretty neat though, I'm going to have to download an XP image from MSDN and play around with it |
| 04:50.19 | rhodescus | Tim-S: 2K, there's some weird boot option to get it to install. XP doesn't have any problems. |
| 04:50.32 | Tim-S | ok |
| 04:50.44 | Tim-S | I'll be sure to ask when I do |
| 04:51.05 | Tim-S | goes to get a fan because he thinks his computer is overheating |
| 04:51.21 | rhodescus | -win2k-hack |
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| 04:51.32 | Tim-S | haha elegantly named |
| 04:51.34 | superfirelord42 | Tim-S, wow, that is pretty funny... (just read the link) |
| 04:51.53 | Tim-S | haha I thought so :-p |
| 04:51.56 | rhodescus | Tim-S: yeah, qemu does run hard during the installs |
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| 04:53.22 | superfirelord42 | hmm, Tim-S, do you have kqemu installed? |
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| 04:53.37 | Tim-S | nah, just been doing it from the command line |
| 04:53.48 | adb_ | Tim-S: i'll use "debootstrap -lenny" in a lenny/ directory , and than i'll "chroot lenny/" and do my work ... |
| 04:53.50 | rhodescus | Tim-S: don't bother with kqemu during install |
| 04:54.21 | superfirelord42 | Tim-S, yeah, dont mess with it during install, just curious if you have it installed... |
| 04:54.30 | Tim-S | ok |
| 04:55.17 | Tim-S | so if I wanted to set up a test network to play around with, basically I just need one machine powerful enough to run several images? |
| 04:55.56 | adb_ | or much RAM |
| 04:56.44 | superfirelord42 | or several machines set up so the images networks talk... (not sure if its possible, but sounds like it should be) |
| 04:56.57 | rhodescus | Tim-S: I've never tried that |
| 04:57.27 | superfirelord42 | Tim-S, yeah, you should be able to. its all in the qemu network documentation on how to do it |
| 04:57.32 | rhodescus | Tim-S: I have set up VM's to forward network from the host to the VM |
| 04:58.02 | superfirelord42 | I have tried it once before, then ran out of ram, and the thing crashed before i could tell if it worked... |
| 04:58.17 | Tim-S | how much ram did you have? |
| 04:58.24 | superfirelord42 | 256... |
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| 04:58.30 | superfirelord42 | I doubled since then... 512 |
| 04:58.47 | superfirelord42 | i was running on a windows host at the time also, that also hurt alot.... |
| 04:59.01 | Tim-S | haha |
| 04:59.06 | rhodescus | I only run one VM at a time on this machine, I only have 768M |
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| 04:59.44 | superfirelord42 | Even worse, i installed kqemu for windows, and one in every 3 qemu launches, it "encounters and error and needs to close" |
| 04:59.46 | Tim-S | hrm, how to make the images appear as seperate machines on the network though? |
| 04:59.55 | Tim-S | haha |
| 05:00.14 | rhodescus | Tim-S: assign static IP's |
| 05:00.36 | Tim-S | but there is only one network interface |
| 05:00.43 | rhodescus | Tim-S: use a virtual interface |
| 05:00.52 | rhodescus | Tim-S: eth0:1 |
| 05:01.22 | adb_ | eth0:0 |
| 05:01.26 | Tim-S | so it will have a seperate mac address and everything? |
| 05:01.50 | rhodescus | Tim-S: yeah, but you have to use tap and route, I think |
| 05:02.05 | rhodescus | Tim-S: for qemu, that is |
| 05:02.21 | Tim-S | ok |
| 05:02.27 | rhodescus | Tim-S: if yo umean the virtual interface has a separate MAC address, I've never thought of that. |
| 05:02.33 | Tim-S | yeah |
| 05:03.00 | rhodescus | Tim-S: I don't think that is possible |
| 05:03.03 | Tim-S | I've got my router set up so that it is DHCP, but for certain mac addresses it always assigns the same IP |
| 05:03.44 | rhodescus | Tim-S: that's why you'd have to use static IP's |
| 05:03.51 | Tim-S | yeah |
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| 05:04.31 | rhodescus | Tim-S: but I've never considered DHCP in the context of virtual interfaces, so I don't actually know for sure. |
| 05:05.02 | Tim-S | ok, something else to investigate when it is not so late :-p |
| 05:05.03 | rhodescus | Tim-S: I do know a card can have only one MAC, but I don't know if DHCP can return multiple IP's, maybe based on host name? |
| 05:05.24 | rhodescus | Yes, it is very late |
| 05:05.36 | rhodescus | And I have to get back to work |
| 05:06.08 | rhodescus | Tim-S: Good luck with qemu |
| 05:06.22 | Tim-S | ok, thanks! |
| 05:08.11 | adb_ | Tim-S: apt-cache show bridge-utils |
| 05:08.43 | enouf | !bonding |
| 05:08.43 | dpkg | well, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package |
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| 05:09.22 | wm4 | is it correct that the next Debian release will use Linux kernel 2.6.26? |
| 05:09.33 | Tim-S | adb_: isn't that doing the reverse |
| 05:09.37 | campassi | lenny uses 2.6.26 right now |
| 05:09.51 | campassi | but yes, the next stable will use that |
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| 05:10.28 | wm4 | so I guess they will fix this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495271 |
| 05:10.46 | siimo | hi i find that with my laptop, if i plug in headphones in the headphone jack, the speakers dont mute.. any idea how to solve this? |
| 05:11.00 | wm4 | because this bug causes severe problems with some hardware, and it was fixed in 2.6.27, but not in 2.6.26 |
| 05:11.24 | adb_ | Tim-S: no , it provides two IP to one real interface |
| 05:12.27 | campassi | so you have a toshiba siimo? |
| 05:12.46 | Tim-S | adb_: ok, I'll do some reading, thanks |
| 05:12.51 | siimo | campassi: asus.. |
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| 05:13.00 | adb_ | welcome |
| 05:13.24 | campassi | oh. hmm. ive seen some ways of getting around that on the nets |
| 05:14.14 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: sorry, that was anything that doesn't 'and' with the bitmask gets sent to a router. It is late. |
| 05:15.19 | Thick_McRunfast | Yeah, actually knowing that the netmask was specified in many forms helped |
| 05:15.39 | rhodescus | Thick_McRunfast: Cool. Sorry to be a pain this evening |
| 05:15.41 | Thick_McRunfast | I was able to see pretty easily that /22 is what I wanted |
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| 05:15.58 | Thick_McRunfast | No, no worries, you ended up helping me so thanks :) |
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| 05:16.08 | Bullen | yo |
| 05:17.00 | Bullen | i have a question about debian-specific apache that i got from apt-get, i want to edit my vhosts.conf file (as is common) but instead in debian, i have two different config files, one in sites-available and sites-enabled, what is the purpose of this and what should i think about while adding domains to these config files? |
| 05:18.26 | siimo | if i install debian from minimal install, how do i get cpu frequency scaling working? is it a package i must install, im running xfce |
| 05:18.56 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.14 | rhodescus | Bullen: ls -lF in sites-enabled should be self-explanatory |
| 05:19.52 | rhodescus | /exit |
| 05:19.52 | Bullen | oh i see |
| 05:19.56 | Bullen | but why is it set like this? |
| 05:20.11 | rhodescus | Bullen: so you can easily disable a site without deleting the config for it |
| 05:20.31 | adb_ | siimo: cpudyn |
| 05:20.32 | Bullen | ok |
| 05:20.49 | Bullen | thanks a lot for info =) |
| 05:20.58 | rhodescus | Bullen: just change the links in sites-enabled and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 05:21.07 | rhodescus | Bullen: np |
| 05:21.59 | Bullen | yep, will try! hope it works, first time i try to run several sites from same apache :) |
| 05:22.26 | siimo | adb_: does it just work if i install it or config is needed |
| 05:22.32 | adb_ | siimo: apt-cache search cpufreq |
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| 05:23.05 | adb_ | i dunno, never used |
| 05:23.47 | siimo | theres so much more to config with a laptop! |
| 05:24.36 | adb_ | as my processor/s are old |
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| 05:34.44 | enouf | Bullen: man a2enmod as well |
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| 05:36.21 | Bullen | oh, interesting |
| 05:36.25 | Bullen | didn't know about that |
| 05:36.28 | Bullen | thanks |
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| 06:10.30 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
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| 06:11.03 | Guerin | i've long been one of firefox's defenders, but v3 on linux is COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIT |
| 06:11.18 | Guerin | goddamn, it's bad |
| 06:11.28 | sandman | Guerin: What is so fail about it? |
| 06:11.32 | theholyduck | Guerin, well its not shit as much as annoying |
| 06:12.10 | Guerin | sandman: it's even slower than previously, and sucks more diesel, and ... just completely fucks up some pages beyond legibility |
| 06:13.03 | enouf | welcome to the Firepoop crowd ;-) |
| 06:13.15 | adb_ | s** more diesel ... |
| 06:13.42 | enouf | (heroin in the honker) |
| 06:13.57 | adb_ | ;) |
| 06:14.29 | Guerin | v2 was fine |
| 06:14.37 | sandman | Well. So what are you doing now, using the Iceweasel fork, or is that not enough? |
| 06:14.47 | enouf | except for that little MASSIVE memory leak :-P |
| 06:15.00 | greeq | hey i just changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager from gdm to kdm after installing kde. but it still looks the same as gnome with k apps |
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| 06:15.33 | adb_ | remove gnome* |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | enouf: never really gave me any grief |
| 06:15.47 | enouf | greeq: your DM is you gui login sceen |
| 06:15.54 | Guerin | and besides, it's a matter of options - and there really are no others |
| 06:15.55 | enouf | greeq: not your WM |
| 06:16.12 | greeq | so i cant use kde if i have gnome? |
| 06:16.23 | enouf | sure you can |
| 06:16.25 | adb_ | why not |
| 06:16.26 | adb_ | ? |
| 06:16.31 | greeq | how |
| 06:16.48 | greeq | some site said just change that gdm to kdm :( |
| 06:16.52 | enouf | greeq: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager? |
| 06:17.01 | enouf | greeq: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager? |
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| 06:17.17 | enouf | greeq: kwin is default kde WM |
| 06:17.55 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/fucked.png is an example of ff3 fucking my shit up |
| 06:18.19 | greeq | k. so how to set this thing to kde using kwin and kdm and whatever elese it takes to get kde. i wanted to see baghira |
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| 06:18.30 | theholyduck | arghh.. |
| 06:18.35 | Guerin | it only happens on some webpages and I've not bothered to search out a reason for it, but honestly - that shit is worthless. |
| 06:18.45 | enouf | Guerin: don't feel bad, all i have to do to find bugs in almost ALL gui apps is just click something |
| 06:18.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:19.13 | theholyduck | why doesnt the 2.6.27 kernels have a kbuild package? |
| 06:19.27 | enouf | that's so pretty, heh |
| 06:19.42 | ShishKabab | Hi. How can I figure out what type of keyboard I have from the command line? |
| 06:19.49 | enouf | wait, i see Yo Yo Ma :-P |
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| 06:20.22 | theholyduck | ShishKabab, if you have to ask. you probaly have a 104/105 key keyboard with the layout of whatever country yyou liive in+ |
| 06:20.29 | Sling | ShishKabab : considered looking at the actual keyboard? |
| 06:20.35 | DogBoy | Guerin, is that with flash installed? |
| 06:20.44 | Guerin | DogBoy: gnash |
| 06:20.59 | DogBoy | hmm |
| 06:20.59 | enouf | count the keys ShishKabab |
| 06:21.06 | Guerin | but it doesn't seem to vary between sites with/without crash embedded |
| 06:21.13 | DogBoy | I should check that out, is it less trouble than flash? |
| 06:21.22 | theholyduck | DogBoy, depends |
| 06:21.28 | theholyduck | sometimes it breaks spectacularly |
| 06:21.35 | theholyduck | leaving you wondering wtf? |
| 06:21.38 | theholyduck | other times gnash works great |
| 06:21.46 | Guerin | DogBoy: depends. It doesn't work for a bunch of shit, but it never plays anything (ever) without you clicking on it, which is awesome |
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| 06:21.57 | DogBoy | oh that sounds good |
| 06:22.08 | DogBoy | I hate flash |
| 06:22.10 | theholyduck | Guerin, flashblock does that to though |
| 06:22.11 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:22.11 | Guerin | for youtube and shit i prefer clive anyhow |
| 06:22.17 | Guerin | theholyduck: it does. |
| 06:22.21 | ShishKabab | I have a Logitech keyboard. But I want to know which type so I can enter it in KControl. I'm told that that's what I need to do in order to get my media keys working. |
| 06:22.26 | theholyduck | tthe most essential firefox plugin is flashblock |
| 06:22.30 | DogBoy | flash seems to grab the sound card too |
| 06:22.38 | DogBoy | I'm not sure what to do about that |
| 06:22.51 | Guerin | ShishKabab: google the model number |
| 06:23.00 | theholyduck | DogBoy, you can edit some ff config or something |
| 06:23.03 | DogBoy | sometimes I go to watch a movie and I got no sound until I close the flash playing web page |
| 06:23.03 | theholyduck | to make it use alsa propperly |
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| 06:23.04 | theholyduck | i think |
| 06:23.16 | theholyduck | i remember seeing thatt once |
| 06:23.22 | DogBoy | yea me too |
| 06:23.33 | DogBoy | but it's obscure cause I can't find it again |
| 06:23.37 | ShishKabab | Guerin: And how do I discover the model number? |
| 06:23.43 | Guerin | ShishKabab: eyeometer |
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| 06:24.38 | adb_ | turn ouy your keyboard |
| 06:24.52 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.02 | olspookishmagus | what can one to with the wget timeouts when trying to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer? |
| 06:25.10 | craigevil | firefox/iceweasel flash sound fix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255422 |
| 06:25.21 | adb_ | ShishKabab: on back side , i means |
| 06:25.49 | theholyduck | DogBoy, install alsa-oss then edit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 06:25.52 | olspookishmagus | whenever it tries to wget the *,exe from SourceForge it keeps getting timeouts thus getting the package never finally installed |
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| 06:25.57 | theholyduck | and change FIREFOX_DSP="" |
| 06:26.02 | theholyduck | into FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" |
| 06:26.10 | mhymn | ShishKabab: which version of (k)ubuntu are you using now? |
| 06:26.18 | craigevil | except in debian its /etc/iceweasel/ |
| 06:26.24 | theholyduck | craigevil, well yeah |
| 06:26.28 | olspookishmagus | I tried putting the files, which I downloaded manually, in the /tmp/corefonts.* it creates but with no success |
| 06:26.28 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: download the msttcorefonts package to the location the script is - it's getting it from sourceforge |
| 06:26.33 | DogBoy | did you find a reference to that on the web somewhere theholyduck |
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| 06:26.36 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:26.37 | DogBoy | and thanks |
| 06:26.51 | theholyduck | DogBoy, i remember seeing it on some webpage for ubuntu 6.06 that somebody linked me for what not |
| 06:26.56 | theholyduck | so i just googled up the webpage |
| 06:27.01 | theholyduck | with info i remembered from it |
| 06:27.02 | olspookishmagus | Guerin: where is that? I mean "location the script is" |
| 06:27.05 | ShishKabab | I'm using Debian Sid. If I'd be using Kubuntu, I'd be on the Kubuntu channel ;) |
| 06:27.14 | olspookishmagus | I suppose it waits for a succesfull wget exit code... |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: ... `is downloading to'. You already have, it seems. |
| 06:27.57 | olspookishmagus | good idea, let me see this :) |
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| 06:28.53 | olspookishmagus | Guerin: oddly enough, it doesn't say where it tries to download the files |
| 06:29.31 | olspookishmagus | but it keeps creating directories in /tmp like msttcorefonts.CjbSoa |
| 06:29.46 | Guerin | you should be able to figure it out by reading the script, whcih lives in /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.something |
| 06:29.50 | olspookishmagus | and that's where I put the files I downloaded but with no success |
| 06:29.56 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: ^ |
| 06:30.02 | olspookishmagus | oh great! that's a fine piece of information |
| 06:30.44 | ShishKabab | Ok.... There are two number at the back of my keyboard 867448-0100 and BTD50315532. None of them give results on Google. |
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| 06:31.55 | Guerin | ShishKabab: google "klogitech keyboard" media linux |
| 06:32.01 | Guerin | err, drop the k |
| 06:32.20 | Guerin | ShishKabab: you might also substitute `linux' for "x server" |
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| 06:32.32 | olspookishmagus | Guerin: check this out |
| 06:32.32 | olspookishmagus | olspookishmagus@shiva:~$ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.* |
| 06:32.32 | olspookishmagus | /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.md5sums |
| 06:32.39 | \amethyst | ShishKabab: 867448-0403 is the Logitech Internet Pro Keyboard; not sure what the difference between -0100 and -0403 is |
| 06:32.45 | craigevil | is it a G15 keyboard |
| 06:32.54 | olspookishmagus | it doesn't describe the script itself |
| 06:33.06 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: read the list file |
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| 06:33.52 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: there will be a script in there which downloads it - you might even just try deleting some of the url (it might be selecting a dodgy mirror) |
| 06:34.09 | ShishKabab | \amethyst: I'll try to enter that and see what happens. |
| 06:34.33 | olspookishmagus | Guerin: it eventually tries ALL sourceforge mirrors with no success |
| 06:34.42 | enouf | olspookishmagus: cd into the dir you want, use wget -P. http://whatever/wherever.com |
| 06:34.42 | kryptoz | hi, anyone familiar with rrdtools here ? |
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| 06:34.56 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: i rather doubt that. |
| 06:34.59 | theholyduck | olspookishmagus, i never got the msttcorefonts working either :) |
| 06:35.13 | theholyduck | it always just ended up trying abuttload of mirrors |
| 06:35.15 | theholyduck | and then failing |
| 06:35.43 | enouf | or, .. i think i misunderstand whatever that thing is (mpoopfonts) |
| 06:35.50 | simonrvn | kryptoz: just ask |
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| 06:36.47 | kryptoz | I have managed to create graphs with rrdtool for access counts for a website.. I use area type for creating the graph..but right now, the graphs are like bar graph and is not pretty as the dense mrtg graphs looks like... |
| 06:37.35 | ShishKabab | It works! Thank you all. |
| 06:37.46 | kryptoz | is there a way to make it look dense and pretty like in mrtg (or any other rrd graph samples in internet). Even the LINE is like a border to the bar graphs |
| 06:37.49 | simonrvn | tried changing to another type? ;) |
| 06:38.08 | kryptoz | only two types I know so far... AREA and LINE |
| 06:38.39 | kryptoz | AREA gives a graph that looks more like a filled bar graph.. and line looks like a border for bargraph |
| 06:38.50 | sandman | Is it just me, or has Photoshop become an over-engineered solution to a non-problem? |
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| 06:42.22 | simonrvn | kryptoz: i usually see line being used |
| 06:43.02 | kryptoz | I will upload the graphs in my case and send you the url .. a moment. it would be easy for you to help me then I believe ... |
| 06:43.05 | kryptoz | :) |
| 06:43.40 | simonrvn | usually uses 'line' too |
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| 06:44.00 | simonrvn | makes for prettir graphs, imo |
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| 06:44.06 | simonrvn | prettier even |
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| 06:54.32 | kryptoz | simonrvn: please see here ... this is the plight of my LINE graph -> http://kryptoz.bplaced.net/stats_vho10.png |
| 06:54.36 | enouf | olspookishmagus: applicable? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248122 |
| 06:55.26 | lnostdal | hi #debian .. my old ThinkPad R52 is starting to fall apart and i need to start looking for a new laptop soon .. i've been quite happy with it, except the need to install wireless firmware "manually" .. so i was wondering if there exists laptops out there that work 100% out-of-the-box with debian? |
| 06:56.45 | kryptoz | and area is here --> http://kryptoz.bplaced.net/stats_vho10_AREA.png |
| 06:57.45 | craigevil | lnostdal: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 06:57.50 | mhymn | !tell lnostdal about laptop |
| 06:57.55 | kryptoz | this is not as pretty as those sample graphs for rrdtool graphs found all over internet |
| 06:58.33 | olspookishmagus | where can I read what will aptitude try to do for msttcorefonts? |
| 06:58.59 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ttf-mscorefonts-installer/filelist ? |
| 06:59.10 | simonrvn | kryptoz: sec |
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| 07:00.12 | enouf | or ~$ apt-cache show ttf-mscorefonts-installer ? oh olspookishmagus use the -s option, if that's what you mean |
| 07:00.35 | olspookishmagus | enouf: what I am trying to do, is to trick wget that the files it's trying to download at someplace that they are already there ^^ |
| 07:01.03 | enouf | ahh - it uses cabextract |
| 07:01.12 | simonrvn | kryptoz: yeh, that's normal. though you could probably make the line thinner, won't so much like you said before. as for the blockiness, i think making the scale larger will smooth it out. think of that grpah as being "zoomed in" A LOT, so it's normal to see that blockiness. |
| 07:02.00 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:02.29 | kryptoz | Oh so instead of taking the values for x axis for 3 weeks if I take for 6 weeks it would be thinner ? |
| 07:02.39 | simonrvn | kryptoz: i like the line one better, you can also add more data lines if you wanted to, if ever the need arises. |
| 07:02.58 | simonrvn | kryptoz: no, that's a seperate function IIRC |
| 07:03.13 | simonrvn | making the line thinner |
| 07:03.23 | kryptoz | okay .. |
| 07:04.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.14 | enouf | Agiofws: where you using xfce on the other systems? |
| 07:05.37 | Agiofws | yes |
| 07:05.44 | Agiofws | hmm |
| 07:05.47 | enouf | sorry s/where/were/ |
| 07:05.48 | Agiofws | maybe gnome ... enouf |
| 07:05.55 | kryptoz | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 07:06.14 | olspookishmagus | I tried both: |
| 07:06.14 | olspookishmagus | dpkg -l msttcorefonts |
| 07:06.14 | olspookishmagus | dpkg -l ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 07:06.14 | olspookishmagus | still no luck in finding where is wget trying to get the files to... |
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| 07:06.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching msttcorefonts |
| 07:06.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 07:06.31 | enouf | Agiofws: no idea, just thought i'd ask, give you something to think about in narrowing it down |
| 07:06.32 | olspookishmagus | which is the line limit? 3lines? |
| 07:06.37 | simonrvn | np kryptoz |
| 07:06.51 | Agiofws | my bet would be to look at the system tray |
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| 07:07.16 | Agiofws | ok cool |
| 07:07.24 | simonrvn | !tell olspookishmagus -about paste |
| 07:07.26 | enouf | olspookishmagus: did you do aptitude install ttf-mscorefonts-installer ? |
| 07:07.46 | olspookishmagus | enouf: yes I did |
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| 07:08.06 | enouf | if so, dpkg -l ttf-mscorefonts-installer will show it |
| 07:08.39 | olspookishmagus | the only thing it shows is: |
| 07:08.40 | olspookishmagus | iF ttf-mscorefonts-installer 2.6 Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts |
| 07:08.47 | craigevil | msfonts are evil just use the liberation fonts |
| 07:09.31 | olspookishmagus | craigevil: I need them for st00pid websites |
| 07:09.44 | Agiofws | olspookishmagus, just copy files into .fonts from a winblows machine ... ? |
| 07:10.33 | olspookishmagus | that's one way of making it work |
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| 07:11.11 | Agiofws | thats the way i always do it |
| 07:11.15 | Agiofws | always works |
| 07:11.19 | olspookishmagus | I know how to install fonts, but what I want is to have this DAMN thing get to working somehow |
| 07:11.20 | Agiofws | once copied |
| 07:11.21 | enouf | iF ? |
| 07:11.26 | olspookishmagus | and propose my solution to others |
| 07:11.41 | Agiofws | just do mkfontdir and mkfontscale and you are ready |
| 07:12.04 | simonrvn | and check the bts |
| 07:12.27 | enouf | olspookishmagus: the F == Failed-config |
| 07:12.55 | enouf | reinstall the sucker |
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| 07:13.37 | olspookishmagus | hold on guys, I'll show you what keeps happening |
| 07:13.38 | enouf | aptitude -f install or aptitude --reinstall install pkgname |
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| 07:14.04 | enouf | your debconf might be screwy? or whatever the Font thing is Defoma? |
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| 07:14.17 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure defoma? |
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| 07:14.58 | enouf | simonrvn: i think i found the one and only bug on both pkgs |
| 07:15.11 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248122 |
| 07:16.24 | enouf | are you even using Debian olspookishmagus ? |
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| 07:17.36 | olspookishmagus | enouf: hell YEAH! lenny |
| 07:17.48 | enouf | ok |
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| 07:21.37 | enouf | is it possible cabextract is upchucking due to a bug in 'file' ? I recall file having a PNG filetype issue |
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| 07:22.28 | enouf | (heck, i don't know when cabextract is used - i'm tempted to try this nonsense, but i'm tired) |
| 07:23.31 | simonrvn | when they're d/led and run by the postinst iirc |
| 07:23.42 | olspookishmagus | enouf: THIS -> http://rafb.net/p/MujTJp42.html is what happens |
| 07:24.01 | enouf | which kind of seems where he's having an issue simonrvn .. IINM |
| 07:26.41 | olspookishmagus | I've read so many ideas and workarounds, none of which seem to work on me - I will brief you when I find out something |
| 07:28.02 | enouf | olspookishmagus: see if 'dpkg-reconfigure ttf-mscorefonts-installer' exists and/or does anything |
| 07:28.17 | simonrvn | so wth are you doing? read the postinst and do the same, but manually, then run dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:28.23 | enouf | and don't you need WINE or something to run EXE files? |
| 07:28.46 | simonrvn | no, those are self-extracting zip files |
| 07:28.51 | enouf | oh .. maybe that's where cabextract comes in |
| 07:28.57 | simonrvn | run cabextract on 'em |
| 07:29.20 | olspookishmagus | enouf: it says that tts-mscorefonts-installer is broken or not fully installed |
| 07:29.45 | enouf | olspookishmagus: does it give you an option to point it at other mirrors? |
| 07:29.46 | olspookishmagus | and there it goes off again |
| 07:29.51 | simonrvn | this stuff isn't hard ;) |
| 07:29.58 | olspookishmagus | enouf: it tries all the mirrors |
| 07:30.29 | enouf | didn't this shit used to exist on dmm ? |
| 07:30.37 | enouf | wtf with this installer shit |
| 07:31.15 | simonrvn | -installer is new to me |
| 07:31.47 | simonrvn | ii ttf-mscorefonts-installer 2.6 Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts |
| 07:32.02 | simonrvn | guess i don't remember seeing it :) |
| 07:32.20 | olspookishmagus | enouf: what's `dmm' ? |
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| 07:32.49 | simonrvn | i guess the name change was to make it more conformant with other similar kinds of packages |
| 07:33.06 | jaggz1 | okay, can I use vmware under debian and run my XP partition in it? |
| 07:33.17 | jaggz1 | all so I can test web development in msie :( |
| 07:33.26 | simonrvn | you can do that with virtualbox |
| 07:33.34 | simonrvn | or run ie in wine |
| 07:33.40 | jaggz1 | I tried.. it doesn't run in wine |
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| 07:34.06 | simonrvn | odd. ever heard of ies4linux? |
| 07:34.08 | enouf | seems the mirrors for those EXE are dead jim |
| 07:34.08 | Guerin | it does |
| 07:34.15 | Guerin | but you'd be retarded to actually do it |
| 07:34.19 | jaggz1 | no.. ies4linux? |
| 07:34.35 | Agiofws | ok i have an x session running on another machine whats the best way to connect to its x session ? |
| 07:34.52 | simonrvn | some dude wrote a package of sorts that installs that crap with wine |
| 07:35.27 | simonrvn | Guerin: it's refreshing to see retarded spelled that way, and not 'retarted' |
| 07:35.43 | olspookishmagus | enouf: they are not dead, the blame must be on wget |
| 07:35.44 | jaggz1 | reading it.. neat.. |
| 07:35.51 | jaggz1 | winetricks is also good.. but doesn't list ie |
| 07:35.51 | olspookishmagus | you can download them manually easily |
| 07:35.58 | olspookishmagus | you can even wget them yourself |
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| 07:36.18 | simonrvn | i did that a long time ago, when it fucked up one other time |
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| 07:36.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: spelling it that way is retorted :) |
| 07:37.12 | simonrvn | i dn't bother doing web dev with ie. if people can't/don't/won't use a real browser, tough. |
| 07:37.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:37.54 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: edit the script to make it use curl or somesuch |
| 07:38.23 | simonrvn | Guerin: i retort with another retort, otherwise you will cause a tort on my person, or worse, a tart to fall to my head. |
| 07:38.36 | olspookishmagus | Guerin: can you tell me where's that script; |
| 07:38.39 | simonrvn | s/to my/on my/ |
| 07:39.02 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst |
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| 07:39.12 | jaggz1 | retarted |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: no. |
| 07:39.43 | Guerin | tarts simonrvn again, making him re-tarted |
| 07:39.56 | jaggz1 | tartars |
| 07:39.59 | simonrvn | retarted: someone who's had a tart thrown at them, and they just had another one thrown at them. |
| 07:40.09 | jaggz1 | that was retarded |
| 07:40.10 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29783 |
| 07:40.15 | simonrvn | GMAFTA |
| 07:40.20 | jaggz1 | retarded is a double-dipped fishstick |
| 07:40.20 | Agiofws | does anyone know what i should install to compile that ? |
| 07:40.41 | jaggz1 | n/m that's tardar.. perfect for our conv. |
| 07:40.41 | simonrvn | fish tartar |
| 07:40.45 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29783 does anyone know what i should install to compile that ? |
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| 07:40.50 | jaggz1 | no.. it's tartar.. what the hell... #debian. |
| 07:40.57 | haqe43 | Hello, I need some help really quickly |
| 07:41.05 | jaggz1 | don't we all |
| 07:41.10 | simonrvn | Agiofws: dude, you just pasted that, take it easy ;) |
| 07:41.10 | olspookishmagus | simonrvn: there no such file as I've earlier showed |
| 07:41.18 | jaggz1 | rofl simon |
| 07:41.21 | Agiofws | sorry dude |
| 07:41.23 | haqe43 | I have a floppy in the floppy drive, but I deleted the floppy line from fstab |
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| 07:41.33 | haqe43 | what command cold i use to mount it? |
| 07:41.35 | simonrvn | Agiofws: um, it's looking for openssl dev |
| 07:42.13 | simonrvn | haqe43: so? mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy |
| 07:42.27 | simonrvn | man mount dude |
| 07:43.11 | enouf | This package exists to facilitate upgrades to ttf-mscorefonts-installer. |
| 07:43.11 | simonrvn | olspookishmagus: WTF. what's the version there, of that package? |
| 07:43.23 | enouf | It can safely be removed from your system. |
| 07:43.29 | Agiofws | libssl-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings for OpenSSL ? |
| 07:43.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:43.43 | Agiofws | libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation |
| 07:43.43 | haqe43 | simonrvn: thanks |
| 07:43.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:43.52 | enouf | olspookishmagus: aptitude --purge msttcorefonts |
| 07:43.59 | olspookishmagus | enouf: then what? |
| 07:44.17 | simonrvn | h1k0: np. that's a freebie ;). next time i won't be so handholding ;). |
| 07:44.22 | simonrvn | meh |
| 07:44.30 | simonrvn | h1k0: sorry, ETAB |
| 07:44.37 | enouf | but, the mirrors are broken anyway - since those pages are loaded with Javashit and JSP |
| 07:44.38 | Agiofws | ok i have an x session running on another machine whats the best way to connect to its x session ? |
| 07:44.50 | Agiofws | vnc or rdesktop ? |
| 07:44.51 | enouf | olspookishmagus: then nothing, you're not supposed to need it |
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| 07:45.21 | olspookishmagus | enouf: lol, nice shoot ^^ |
| 07:45.23 | simonrvn | pro'lly rdesktop, since it's not a vnc session |
| 07:45.29 | Wiz_KeeD | can anyone tell me how i can get boost installed and ready to work on my debian box? |
| 07:45.37 | enouf | olspookishmagus: it's meant for people moving up from etch - where msttcorefonts existed and ttf-mscorefonts-installer doesn't |
| 07:45.38 | jaggz1 | ubuntu let me enable vnc server from a menu in X.. I'm not sure how.. but here in debian etch I have to run a separate vnc server and X session.. anyone know how to get it to work on the X session already running on my system? |
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| 07:47.45 | jaggz1 | wow.. ie6 is running in wine |
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| 07:48.20 | Agiofws | ok whats the package name for pam ? |
| 07:48.28 | nubbun | What linux kernel option produces the /dev/.../by-id/ devices? |
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| 07:48.46 | Agiofws | hmm |
| 07:48.55 | Agiofws | i think i searched ofr that |
| 07:48.58 | Agiofws | once .. |
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| 07:49.29 | adb_ | Agiofws: apt-cache search pam |
| 07:49.37 | Agiofws | i did that |
| 07:49.49 | adb_ | and? |
| 07:50.09 | enouf | nubbun: udev, iinm |
| 07:50.11 | Agiofws | there are only multiple libpam versions |
| 07:50.27 | enouf | nubbun: oh, kernel option? lmao .. |
| 07:50.44 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/29784 |
| 07:50.50 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 07:50.57 | enouf | udev isn't in the kernel |
| 07:51.16 | Agiofws | AN_PID_FILE=\"/var/run/sesman.pid\" -DSESMAN_SESSVC_FILE=\"sessvc\" -c -o verify_user_pam.o verify_user_pam.c |
| 07:51.16 | Agiofws | verify_user_pam.c:32:31: error: security/pam_appl.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:51.37 | enouf | you want sysfs support |
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| 07:51.57 | nadar_aao | hi |
| 07:52.01 | nadar_aao | whats the name of this tool at the debian-repos?: http://rename.berlios.de/ |
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| 07:54.07 | Eulex | nadar_aao, there's a 'rename' utility in the perl package that works almost exactly like that one, though I dunno if it's the same software. |
| 07:54.40 | adb_ | renameutils - Programs to make file renaming easier |
| 07:55.09 | \amethyst | renameutils is something else |
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| 07:55.44 | \amethyst | the perl rename seems less featureful than the one in question, since it solely does renaming, not chowning or chmodding |
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| 07:56.03 | \amethyst | I don't think that particular rename utility is in Debian |
| 07:56.08 | nadar_aao | :( |
| 07:56.40 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys! I just ran a fdisk on a drive that already had partitions... I didnt' delete any partitions, but I created a partition, I think, possibly over the existing partition? Will my partition be deleted if I reboot?? |
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| 07:57.29 | nadar_aao | in http://www.tlug.jp/ML/0512/msg00697.html one mentions that renamexm maybe is with an other name available in the repos |
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| 07:58.43 | mhymn | ArtVandalae: use 'cfdisk' and 'fdisk -l' to see what you've done so far! |
| 07:59.00 | olspookishmagus | enouf: I did that but it has nothing to do with my troubles |
| 07:59.01 | enouf | nubbun: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README note; those are just symlinks (do ls -l /dev/disk/*) |
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| 07:59.29 | enouf | olspookishmagus: well, was worth a shot - try the dpkg-reconfigure again - and aptitude install -f |
| 08:00.02 | enouf | although, i can't seem to hit any of the mirrors i've tried directly |
| 08:00.13 | ArtVandalae | mhymn, the partition still exists, but I'm afraid that a reboot will delete the partition table... or something? |
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| 08:01.50 | nubbun | enouf: with enouf: thanks. I wanted to build a kernel that does not use initRD but does have the rootFS set to be a /dev/by-id device. Perhaps that is not possible? A problem is that the root device is attached by USB and is not always the same /dev/sd[bc] device. |
| 08:01.53 | enouf | (actually, i only tried browsing their parent dirs, and grabbing their shit from the sf.net) - let me try wget directly - olspookishmagus listen, you could put 'exit 0' at teh top of the .postinst and it'll stop erroring |
| 08:02.20 | Guerin | ok, so, since ff3 is so crap, what's better? Unacceptable answers: opera (proprietary crap); konq (kde); links2 -g (come on, honestly) |
| 08:02.34 | olspookishmagus | enouf: ok, one last time - where's that .postinst file? |
| 08:02.54 | mhymn | ArtVandalae: i don't think so, but take care, backup or sth like that would be a good idea |
| 08:02.57 | Guerin | olspookishmagus: if it's not in /var/lib/dpkg/info it ain't nowhere |
| 08:03.06 | olspookishmagus | ok found it! |
| 08:03.08 | craigevil | Guerin: iceweasel works just fine here |
| 08:03.17 | enouf | olspookishmagus: it's in /var/cache/apt{titude}/ .. heh |
| 08:03.25 | olspookishmagus | well there was finally a connectio to removing the msttcorefonts package |
| 08:03.34 | mhymn | Guerin: epiphany? |
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| 08:04.04 | adb_ | iceape ? |
| 08:05.06 | Oohoh | hey! |
| 08:05.16 | olspookishmagus | now there are some NICE and JAZZY /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-mscorefonts-installer.* files, I'll figure it myself from now on, thanks Guerin, enouf, simonrvn |
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| 08:05.25 | enouf | nubbun: use udev (ensure your kernel has Disk controller, / FStype, USB Shit support, etc built in) and use this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-assign-static-names-to-scsi-devices.html |
| 08:05.40 | Oohoh | i have a problem with GRUB |
| 08:05.59 | enouf | olspookishmagus: whenever i forget exactly where, i use locate .postinst |
| 08:06.04 | enouf | olspookishmagus: whenever i forget exactly where, i use locate .postinst | less |
| 08:06.14 | enouf | might need to run updatedb prior |
| 08:06.23 | cramm | Hi, what could be the reason of Helvetica not appearing in the list of available fonts in OO.o's Writer? |
| 08:06.36 | mhymn | Oohoh: just ask |
| 08:06.37 | olspookishmagus | enouf: I don't have any locate related stuff in here, thanks |
| 08:06.46 | olspookishmagus | find works just fine |
| 08:06.50 | Oohoh | The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/. Without the Grub boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 08:06.55 | enouf | that it does |
| 08:06.55 | mhymn | cramm: ~/.fonts ? |
| 08:07.15 | enouf | except if you didn't know prior to search in /var |
| 08:07.26 | enouf | your Disk would be thrashing for hours |
| 08:08.12 | Oohoh | enouf do you know what is the fuck with my grub? |
| 08:08.25 | Oohoh | The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/. Without the Grub boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 08:08.28 | enouf | !tell Oohoh -about rescue mode |
| 08:09.10 | Oohoh | ty :D |
| 08:09.17 | Oohoh | and a last question |
| 08:09.27 | Oohoh | i have a 500GB harddisk |
| 08:09.29 | cramm | mhymn: no, all relevant packages installed |
| 08:09.58 | Oohoh | i am the only user of the computer how should i partition it? |
| 08:10.18 | Oohoh | 4GB RAM 500GB HD |
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| 08:11.05 | Oohoh | swap 4GB |
| 08:11.15 | Oohoh | root 496GB? |
| 08:11.25 | adb_ | installer will ask you , and propose some partitions type |
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| 08:12.00 | Oohoh | isnt it too risky to have a partition of 496GB§ |
| 08:12.04 | Oohoh | ?* |
| 08:12.07 | adb_ | use seperate /home |
| 08:12.29 | Oohoh | why? |
| 08:13.55 | Oohoh | what is the advantage of a seperated /home? |
| 08:14.02 | adb_ | *root / 5-10 GB , swap 1-2 GB, /home the rest |
| 08:14.18 | olspookishmagus | Oohoh: use separate paritions for / /var /home /usr /tmp |
| 08:14.23 | Oohoh | 4GB in swap |
| 08:14.29 | olspookishmagus | and of course reserve some space for swap too |
| 08:14.29 | Oohoh | to be able to sleep my system |
| 08:14.37 | adb_ | think yourself |
| 08:14.40 | enouf | nubbun: what you might want to do, is use UUID instead of /dev/name in /etc/fstab (UUID=353576876-xxxx-xxxxxx) and grub (root=UUID=35435435-xxxxx-xxx-xxxx) and the udev rule will mount it always at the same location - do /msg dpkg udev rules |
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| 08:15.12 | Oohoh | 10GB for the root will be enought? |
| 08:15.20 | adb_ | yes |
| 08:15.23 | Oohoh | i will never need to resize the partition? |
| 08:15.33 | adb_ | no |
| 08:15.34 | Oohoh | what the / contain? |
| 08:15.41 | Oohoh | all softwares? |
| 08:15.43 | adb_ | system |
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| 08:15.51 | Oohoh | system + soft? |
| 08:15.57 | Oohoh | of just system? |
| 08:16.00 | adb_ | yes |
| 08:16.05 | Oohoh | or* |
| 08:16.07 | adb_ | s+s |
| 08:16.11 | Oohoh | okay |
| 08:16.41 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.44 | Oohoh | we have better performance partitionning like this? |
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| 08:16.47 | adb_ | 13G 12G 408M 97% /home |
| 08:17.13 | enouf | nubbun: here's another great example http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda note, you might need to change sd?1 into sda1 or exact name you want to use - i think perhaps he just didn't care there |
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| 08:17.35 | Oohoh | well, thanks a lot adb_ |
| 08:17.43 | adb_ | BUT |
| 08:17.56 | Oohoh | do you have a multiboot with windows of not? |
| 08:18.31 | Oohoh | or* arf |
| 08:18.38 | adb_ | if you want multiple systems , use multiple partititions , one for each system |
| 08:18.42 | enouf | nubbun: and check with output of blkid and ensure no stale entries are in /etc/blkid.tab |
| 08:18.59 | Oohoh | i have nothing to do on windows i think :S |
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| 08:19.08 | adb_ | Oohoh: i use only Debian |
| 08:19.10 | Oohoh | but i hesitate to install it or not |
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| 08:19.29 | Oohoh | okay |
| 08:19.38 | Oohoh | ty for all your answers friend!!! |
| 08:19.56 | adb_ | 28 CDROM is enough , i tho |
| 08:19.56 | Oohoh | cya <3<3<3 |
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| 08:25.25 | Tim-S | I'm trying to start kvm and I get FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported |
| 08:25.28 | Tim-S | Module kvm_amd failed to load failed! |
| 08:25.32 | Tim-S | how can I troubleshoot? |
| 08:25.50 | enouf | Tim-S: as root |
| 08:26.14 | Tim-S | enouf: I am doing it as root |
| 08:26.35 | enouf | what command? |
| 08:26.46 | Tim-S | /etc/init.d/kvm start |
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| 08:27.35 | enouf | erm .. egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:28.18 | Tim-S | http://pastebin.com/m74ba5ec0 |
| 08:28.19 | enouf | also - there are two modules needed, iirc .. hrm |
| 08:28.42 | enouf | Tim-S: is that a debian /etc/init.d/sctript? |
| 08:28.49 | Tim-S | qemu is running fine, but it is far too slow for my needs, so I'm attempting to use kvm. The package installed fine |
| 08:28.55 | Tim-S | thats the output of the command you gave me |
| 08:29.39 | enouf | Tim-S: i see - the CPUs do have AMD-V support |
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| 08:30.06 | Tim-S | enouf: so does that mean KVM is a no go? |
| 08:30.10 | enouf | Tim-S: i don't know what's wrong offhand, |
| 08:30.29 | enouf | Tim-S: no, svm is the correct flag for you |
| 08:30.40 | Tim-S | it's amd64 lenny install, if that's helpful |
| 08:30.47 | enouf | righto |
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| 08:31.10 | enouf | !kvm |
| 08:31.11 | dpkg | i heard kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios. |
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| 08:31.24 | enouf | ahh! |
| 08:31.31 | Tim-S | bios problem? |
| 08:31.32 | enouf | check your BIOS Tim-S |
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| 08:31.41 | enouf | also check the sire |
| 08:31.46 | enouf | site* |
| 08:31.46 | Tim-S | will do, thanks enouf :-) |
| 08:31.55 | enouf | np |
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| 08:32.34 | rhalff | how can I prevent a copy job of several gigabytes to slow down my computer ? |
| 08:34.12 | olspookishmagus | rhalff: copy them at a reduced rate? issue a cronjob? |
| 08:34.17 | Sling | niceness |
| 08:34.37 | enouf | renice even |
| 08:34.41 | enouf | ionice even |
| 08:35.09 | enouf | htop allows for niceness on the fly \o/ |
| 08:35.10 | rhalff | uhm how can I prevent any process to eat all cpu actually |
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| 08:35.32 | enouf | you could use taskset and pin it to one core/cpu |
| 08:35.43 | rhalff | that's so manual |
| 08:35.44 | enouf | but nice it |
| 08:36.08 | enouf | it's easy |
| 08:36.18 | enouf | manual schamual |
| 08:36.21 | rhalff | is there no setting do_not_us_all_cpu_for_any_process_at_all ? |
| 08:36.29 | enouf | erm .. manual schmamual |
| 08:37.17 | enouf | well, .. if the CPU is being used, and the process has a + nice value, it will wait |
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| 08:37.46 | enouf | the higher the value, the nicer it plays with other processes |
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| 08:38.09 | rhalff | hm ok |
| 08:38.40 | enouf | ringo999: look at /etc/cron.daily/find :-) |
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| 08:40.18 | Tim-S | enouf: it was the BIOS :-) |
| 08:40.40 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 08:40.40 | dpkg | from memory, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 08:40.58 | Tim-S | thank god I remembered by BIOS password... I have not changed anything there in a while :-p |
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| 08:41.02 | enouf | Tim-S: fan-friggin-tabulous :-) |
| 08:41.06 | enouf | haha |
| 08:41.13 | Tim-S | lol |
| 08:41.28 | adb_ | !win enouf \o/! |
| 08:41.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf \o/!! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:41.34 | enouf | Tim-S: better write it down on inside of case, if you can trust nobody to open it |
| 08:41.42 | Tim-S | 0_o |
| 08:42.00 | enouf | aolifies himself |
| 08:42.41 | drs- | having a small problem with my desktop... it sometimes likes to log out for no reason.. it happens the same way as if i was to click the logout button except i am not clicking it.. |
| 08:43.02 | Tim-S | someone has a remote admin on your desktop and is messing with you :-o |
| 08:43.05 | enouf | Tim-S: then again, if someone has Case access, all they have to do is pull the CMOS battery :-) |
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| 08:43.29 | drs- | Tim-S: i doubt that |
| 08:43.31 | Tim-S | enouf: not sure what that means, but I'm going to assume that resets the BIOS :-p |
| 08:43.46 | enouf | Tim-S: bingo |
| 08:43.53 | adb_ | and passwd ... |
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| 08:44.38 | enouf | drs-: do you find that happen when only under heavy load? out of RAM - hitting Swap? |
| 08:45.19 | drs- | enouf: no.. my system was just idle as i was watching a movie on my tv... i just happened to glance over and see it starting to log out.. |
| 08:45.32 | enouf | drs-: i think gdmconfig there's a setting for Timed logins only .. IOW, does it occur after a specific amount of time after logging in? |
| 08:45.59 | enouf | drs-: it could be rdesktop or similar as mentioned |
| 08:46.19 | enouf | drs-: especially if it happens cleanly ... or the timed session as i mentioned |
| 08:46.36 | mac123 | hi i want to check the specs of my server the hardware its running can someone help |
| 08:46.36 | drs- | well it would be more likely if it were timed |
| 08:47.36 | enouf | if someone or you issued a root privs 'shutdown -r now' or 'halt' or 'reboot', the system would do so gracefully most times ... |
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| 08:48.21 | drs- | i see but i am not running anything that would allow incoming connections |
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| 08:49.00 | drs- | i will check gdmconfig |
| 08:49.22 | enouf | drs-: check for unwanted system services running, as root 'netstat -tunap' and lsof | egrep 'ESTAB|LIST' |
| 08:50.03 | enouf | though, if a rootkit is installed, it might be hidden even from any of that - see if ps auxf looks normal |
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| 08:51.39 | drs- | well if there is a rootkit installed they got in fast cause this is a fresh install ... probably about 3 days or so.. i installed bastille and its firewall is up.. as well as my routers firewall.. |
| 08:53.04 | cmanns | Can I drop random packets from a host? |
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| 08:53.19 | EugenMayer | hello, where is ldapadd and ldif2ldbm included? |
| 08:54.23 | mac123 | hello how to check my server hardware on debian |
| 08:54.46 | olspookishmagus | mac123: 1. lspci 2. dmidecode |
| 08:54.48 | rvsjoen | hwinfo / dmidecode / lspci |
| 08:54.49 | \amethyst | cmanns: yes, man iptables and look for the 'statistic' module and in particular the --probability option |
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| 08:55.02 | enouf | lshw too |
| 08:55.15 | enouf | dmesg :-P |
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| 08:56.43 | adb_ | EugenMayer: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=+ldapadd&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 08:56.52 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 08:57.23 | mac123 | @ olspookishmagus -bash: hwinfo: command not found |
| 08:57.34 | cmanns | \amethyst, it uh |
| 08:58.07 | adb_ | EugenMayer: no results for ldif2ldbm ;( |
| 08:58.23 | adb_ | welcome |
| 08:58.24 | cmanns | turns out this servers centos for statistics it says "defines network/netmask for which make statistics. |
| 08:58.24 | cmanns | " is that different? |
| 08:58.31 | cmanns | suppose I can just ssh to the debian server XD |
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| 08:59.11 | cmanns | \amethyst, on my debian server man iptables has nothing with statistic |
| 08:59.15 | olspookishmagus | mac123: it wasn't me who mentioned hwinfo, it was rvsjoen |
| 08:59.24 | enouf | !installit |
| 08:59.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:59.25 | \amethyst | cmanns: oh, maybe it was added between etch and sid |
| 08:59.35 | cmanns | I'm on etch |
| 08:59.41 | mac123 | oops |
| 08:59.42 | mac123 | :P |
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| 08:59.53 | mac123 | srry |
| 08:59.56 | cmanns | Whats the statistics module do? |
| 09:00.13 | cmanns | doesnt want to go to #Centos anyways :( |
| 09:00.26 | \amethyst | cmanns: it lets you do things like: |
| 09:00.29 | \amethyst | cmanns: iptables -I INPUT -s $HOST -m statistic --mode random --probability 0.5 -j DROP |
| 09:01.06 | \amethyst | cmanns: unfortunately, I don't know of any way to do that in etch |
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| 09:01.53 | \amethyst | cmanns: short of making a backport of the latest iptables (1.4.X) |
| 09:01.56 | enouf | aye, newer iptables needs newer libc6 |
| 09:02.03 | cmanns | \amethyst, its ok |
| 09:02.09 | cmanns | cant do this easilly |
| 09:02.15 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 09:02.15 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 09:02.20 | enouf | or .. as mentioned, try backporting it |
| 09:02.21 | cmanns | will have to pipe the traffic from the centos server to the debian server ~_~ |
| 09:02.31 | cmanns | i just wanted to screw with a friend :P |
| 09:02.36 | \amethyst | cmanns: can you get iptables 1.4 on centos? |
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| 09:02.54 | \amethyst | oh, it's just for a prank... not important enough to bother with then :) |
| 09:03.03 | \amethyst | it's useful for protocol testing though |
| 09:03.12 | cmanns | 1.3.5 |
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| 09:03.28 | cmanns | I see probability I wonder if thereres a way to drop packets 50% of the time or so with that |
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| 09:08.52 | cmanns | Oh I do have the random module |
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| 09:10.35 | olspookishmagus | mac123: also hwinfo might need root priveledges, try: 1. running with sudo 2. running it explicitly from /sbin 3. running from a root session |
| 09:14.50 | mac123 | yeah i am in root i just got the server so nothing is installed |
| 09:15.15 | gothenburg | sudo.. LoL |
| 09:15.53 | olspookishmagus | mac123: are you running from a LiveCD then? |
| 09:16.30 | mac123 | no its a distro already installed |
| 09:16.47 | gothenburg | mac123: debian? |
| 09:16.54 | mac123 | yes etch |
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| 09:18.02 | gothenburg | mac123: what are you trying to do (It's to much text to look up in the chat) |
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| 09:18.45 | mac123 | i am trying to find what hardware the server is running on ram proccessor hdd |
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| 09:20.29 | spiekey | Hello! |
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| 09:21.18 | gothenburg | mac123: # cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:21.21 | spiekey | when i my box with a 64Bit Debian CD it loads, asks me for language and stuff and then it asks me where to load the driver for the CD drive |
| 09:21.43 | gothenburg | w64-bit |
| 09:21.44 | spiekey | then i get in a circle because it can not find a cd drive (but i booted from it) |
| 09:21.49 | spiekey | any idea? |
| 09:22.10 | gothenburg | why not use netinstall? |
| 09:22.32 | spiekey | because it wont reconize the network cards |
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| 09:23.12 | spiekey | and the only pcie slot i have is used by the raid controller |
| 09:24.30 | spiekey | thats the model: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/standard_servers/rack/primergy_rx100s5.html |
| 09:24.48 | mac123 | @ gothenburg it worked got the cpu info :) so how do i find ram now |
| 09:25.46 | Orveldv | guys, I can't upgrade an etch box, no matter what I do aptitude complaints about tzdata : files list file for package `tzdata' contains empty filename. Any idea? |
| 09:25.52 | gothenburg | mac123: I don't think you can se if it's ddr2 etc but the size # free -m |
| 09:26.08 | gothenburg | mac123: disk size, # df -h |
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| 09:27.30 | mac123 | i think i got a raid 1 so it shows only one disk |
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| 09:28.11 | nirupama | I dont understand why my machine does not work with the projector |
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| 09:28.18 | nirupama | the sony vaio |
| 09:28.35 | gothenburg | mac123: You can se how many partitions(?) you have with: # fdisk -l |
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| 09:29.05 | gothenburg | and that includes disks. |
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| 09:32.02 | sauvin | What are the names of the things to add to a repo to get more software selection? main is listed in a default install (debian 64), but when I try to add universe, multiverse, restricted, all I get are errors. |
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| 09:33.16 | gothenburg | sauvin: non-free |
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| 09:33.37 | sauvin | And the others? |
| 09:33.41 | gothenburg | sauvin: stop add ubuntu shit in your sources.list |
| 09:33.56 | mac123 | @gothenburg it shows partitions are only on 1st HDD the other is not formated |
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| 09:34.10 | sauvin | gothenburg: I admit I tried looking at ubuntu's sources list. |
| 09:34.17 | gothenburg | sauvin: edit "etch" to testing on all 4 |
| 09:34.38 | sauvin | But this is debian 64 I'm trying to get going now, and no, I'm NOT adding 'testing'. |
| 09:34.43 | gothenburg | sauvin: then add "non-free" to all 4 (last) |
| 09:35.12 | gothenburg | mac123: ok |
| 09:35.36 | gothenburg | mac123: I haven't raid myself. |
| 09:35.43 | sauvin | To components or to distribution? |
| 09:37.36 | gothenburg | sauvin: this is mine http://gothenburg.homelinux.com/shells/gothenburg/sources.txt |
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| 09:38.45 | gothenburg | sauvin: it's a regular x86 install. |
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| 09:39.18 | sauvin | Structure should be very similar or even identical. Do you get universe and multiverse with those? |
| 09:39.37 | mac123 | np gothenburg thx for the help :D |
| 09:39.48 | gothenburg | sauvin: uhum, ubuntu and debian isn't same. |
| 09:40.10 | sauvin | I realise. I was an idiot for taking debian off this lappie to start with. |
| 09:40.11 | gothenburg | sauvin: testing is debian testing and non-free is non-free packages. |
| 09:42.08 | sauvin | And those three sections give you everything in all the default repos? |
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| 09:46.57 | gothenburg | sauvin: it gives you Debian testing packages and non-free packages |
| 09:47.36 | RoXaZer | hi, how do i change to UTF-8 in apache? i have UTF-8 on my debian machine, i have aded 'AddDefaultCharset UTF-8' in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf conf.d/charset and httpd.conf, but i still got like iso-8859-15 or something else. i have UTF-8 in the meta-tag too, how do i solve this? |
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| 09:51.37 | gothenburg | RoXaZer: I don't know. |
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| 09:55.02 | RoXaZer | gothenburg: you should know. |
| 09:55.16 | gothenburg | RoXaZer: Yes, but I got a fish in my noose |
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| 09:56.01 | Guerin | your møøse? |
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| 10:00.59 | gothenburg | Guerin: nej, näsa. |
| 10:01.09 | Guerin | bloody Nords |
| 10:01.24 | Guerin | always think møøse is something in othe of their silly languages |
| 10:01.37 | Guerin | rather than being the creation of thew Pythøn! |
| 10:02.09 | gothenburg | blodiga nordbor. |
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| 10:02.57 | Guerin | is that `bloody Nords' in a bloody Nord language, then? |
| 10:03.02 | Eulex | blodig? vem? |
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| 10:03.46 | gothenburg | Eulex: Guerin wrote "bloody nords" det betyder väl blodiga nordbor? |
| 10:04.03 | gothenburg | ;) |
| 10:04.09 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 10:05.01 | Eulex | gothenburg, fox-bone ventilation. |
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| 10:05.27 | gothenburg | rävbens ventilation? |
| 10:05.50 | Eulex | nej, revbenspjäll. |
| 10:05.59 | gothenburg | :D |
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| 10:07.47 | gothenburg | blacksick. |
| 10:08.38 | Eulex | för enkelt :P |
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| 10:09.38 | gothenburg | :) |
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| 10:11.31 | ShredZ | Can I apt-get -b source without running the tests after the compile ? |
| 10:11.46 | Guerin | you have our permission |
| 10:12.13 | ShredZ | Guerin, thanks, how do I tell apt to skip the tests ? |
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| 10:12.48 | Guerin | ShredZ: to what tests do you refer? |
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| 10:13.49 | ShredZ | Guerin, I need a new cups on etch and it fails the tests at the end of the compile (well it fails 2 tests) |
| 10:14.19 | Guerin | ShredZ: they're probably nothing to do with apt. You might have to edit the makefile (debian/rules) in order to tell it what to do. |
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| 10:16.48 | _coredump_ | aloha |
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| 10:19.25 | don_vito | hello, I have a server on debian and the website didn't respond most of the time |
| 10:19.50 | don_vito | when i use free -m i get only ~50 free out of 800 |
| 10:20.02 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 10:20.02 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 10:24.33 | jaggz1 | !free loseweight |
| 10:24.44 | jaggz1 | !loseweight |
| 10:24.48 | jaggz1 | !weight |
| 10:24.48 | Guerin | jaggz1: fuck off |
| 10:24.55 | Guerin | jaggz1: eat less |
| 10:25.02 | Guerin | in that order |
| 10:25.19 | Gary | can we not try to abuse the bot, thanks |
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| 10:28.22 | Zvpun | I want to figure out when I installed my system, what is your suggestion? |
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| 10:30.19 | enouf | Zvpun: /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 10:30.26 | enouf | (or thereabouts) |
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| 10:30.50 | enouf | maybe ../../debian-installer/syslog |
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| 10:41.28 | spiekey | hi |
| 10:41.44 | spiekey | i am running debian sarge and my /etc/motd is not working |
| 10:41.55 | spiekey | its not displaying the content when i log in. |
| 10:41.59 | spiekey | any idea why? |
| 10:42.06 | spiekey | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 154 Oct 29 11:38 /etc/motd |
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| 10:43.05 | Tenkawa | which image arch is the "best" one to use for a 64 bit install onto a core 2 quad? |
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| 10:44.38 | retro_neo | I just updated bind and my domains' configuration have dissappeared, what can I do? |
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| 10:45.40 | Tenkawa | ok.. figured it ou |
| 10:45.41 | Tenkawa | t |
| 10:46.03 | Tenkawa | didnt realize the amd64 port covered intel cpu's too |
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| 10:47.02 | petemc | retro_neo: there should be a backup copy of your config files |
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| 10:47.19 | LimCore | how to print rsa/dsa fingerprints of given ssh server? and how to do it for own server? |
| 10:47.27 | petemc | retro_neo: it also should have asked you if you wanted to overwrite the files |
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| 10:50.00 | retro_neo | petemc: I would have thought so, but it didn't :( where can I look for the backups? its not in /etc/bind |
| 10:50.23 | petemc | retro_neo: they should be in the same dir |
| 10:50.41 | petemc | retro_neo: which config changed? |
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| 10:51.36 | retro_neo | petemc: I only have these files : http://pastebin.ca/1239523 |
| 10:51.48 | retro_neo | and my domains have all dissappeared |
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| 10:52.34 | kqr | how long is it you're to cook eggs? was it 5 min? |
| 10:53.41 | LimCore | if I'm logged on given server, how to print my own ssh rsa key, in format like a1:b3:7c... ? |
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| 10:54.44 | danielbvho | hello all :-) |
| 10:55.55 | Brigo | How to test the IDE device? |
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| 10:57.27 | Brigo | i had problems with a disk. Chage disk and more problems :-( |
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| 10:58.09 | petemc | Brigo: smartmontools might help |
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| 11:01.59 | stoned | Good morning |
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| 11:02.08 | danielbvho | good morning, stoned :) |
| 11:02.34 | stoned | 7am dark and cloudy raining freezing cold! |
| 11:02.44 | stoned | I'm goingn back to bed, g'nite. |
| 11:02.59 | danielbvho | heh |
| 11:03.34 | stoned | I only turned my monitor on to look at wether.. wait, is there a weather update utility for kde there is shoudl be on taskbar |
| 11:03.37 | stoned | brb |
| 11:04.04 | stoned | yes it is a kicker applet |
| 11:04.06 | ShredZ | Why did cups all of a sudden chose poppler-utils over xpdf ? It's bugged :-/ |
| 11:05.26 | stoned | weird, you can't configure k weather applet to show anything in Farenheit only in Centigrade |
| 11:07.12 | stoned | wind chill is 0.7C almost freezing point! |
| 11:07.14 | beardy | stoned: What's KDE's locale settings set to? |
| 11:07.19 | stoned | usa |
| 11:07.28 | stoned | imperial system afaik |
| 11:07.29 | beardy | stoned: All of it? |
| 11:07.31 | beardy | Ok. |
| 11:07.34 | stoned | yes |
| 11:07.45 | stoned | I'll double check |
| 11:08.21 | stoned | yup, measure system is imperial |
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| 11:08.35 | stoned | kweather applet still shows C instead of F |
| 11:08.45 | jelly | won't say it's 75F, a warm sunny day |
| 11:08.46 | stoned | and there are no optinos to configure tht in it |
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| 11:11.20 | beardy | stoned: Sounds quite a crappy program then. |
| 11:12.38 | beardy | But would have been worse if it was imperial only. |
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| 11:12.57 | Eulex | unless it's -40F |
| 11:13.07 | Eulex | because then you know that it's -40C too |
| 11:13.13 | beardy | :) |
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| 11:13.30 | stoned | even wind speed is in km/hr |
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| 11:13.45 | Eulex | stoned, well, welcome to europe ;) |
| 11:13.50 | jelly | km/h is normal! :-) |
| 11:13.52 | stoned | well I gre up on that stuff |
| 11:13.59 | stoned | I'm from Pakistan remember |
| 11:14.02 | stoned | british system |
| 11:14.42 | stoned | this whole yard, pound, mile thing confused the fuck out of me when I first came here as a child |
| 11:15.01 | jelly | wacky brits can't decide whether to go metric or not |
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| 11:15.02 | stoned | I think metric ftw, but should at least have configurable options |
| 11:15.16 | beardy | Yeah, options is always good. |
| 11:15.23 | beardy | are |
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| 11:16.51 | beardy | There should be some requirements, or atleast strong guidelines, that k* things should use the localesettings of KDE.. if I were them. |
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| 11:17.25 | stoned | btw, after the first time I setup KDE a few months ago, I have not restarted my computer |
| 11:17.39 | stoned | do you think restarting kde would help to change or take effect of the change |
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| 11:18.11 | stoned | nope, didn't help |
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| 11:28.06 | gothenburg | Men tyst |
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| 11:34.07 | ringo999 | i want to install netbeans on debian etch. since debian doesnt provide it I cant install through aptitude and have to do it manually. what is a good install location? |
| 11:34.12 | greeq | can anyone help me with flash. i m using debian lenny. flash is workin but its very jerky |
| 11:35.05 | greeq | when youtube videos are maximised its worse |
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| 11:36.23 | gothenburg | greeq: how did you install flash? |
| 11:38.58 | erawfish | judd: versions netbeans |
| 11:38.58 | judd | erawfish: netbeans: |
| 11:39.21 | erawfish | ringo999: /opt or /usr/local |
| 11:39.25 | erawfish | see stuff like stown |
| 11:39.26 | gothenburg | vad är det för fel på bruna bönor? |
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| 11:39.28 | erawfish | *stow |
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| 11:40.00 | IamSOG | Ha ha ha, this is so stupid... after I help my friend install Debian on her laptop, she calls me half day later and said "Help! Debian has caues half of my display's light to burn out!" I am like "that seems not possible... I will come to your house now." then looking at her laptop... then I change "horizontal Gradient" to "Solid Color" in "Desktop Background Preferences" .... then problem fixed :D |
| 11:42.03 | bolt-work | IamSOG: sounds like she should stick to windows |
| 11:42.10 | themill | judd: versions netbeans-platform |
| 11:42.11 | judd | themill: netbeans-platform: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 (lenny/contrib) 6.0.1+dfsg-2 (sid/contrib) |
| 11:42.14 | bolt-work | afaik it doesn't have gradients |
| 11:42.27 | IamSOG | lol bloq |
| 11:42.34 | themill | IamSOG: nice :D |
| 11:42.36 | gothenburg | fama - text-based instant messaging software built on Telepathy |
| 11:42.44 | IamSOG | lol bolt slow laptop and she wwants to try something new |
| 11:43.47 | folken | and there i always thought that telepathy wasn't yet an ietf approved protocol. :) |
| 11:43.56 | IamSOG | lol bolt-work she got a slow laptop and she wants to try something other than window |
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| 11:46.42 | tuxcrafter | hello everybodym, i am looking for an usb 54g wireless stick that works out of the box with debian and has fast firmware and driver loading, can somebody reommend an chipset, packages, devices? |
| 11:46.51 | tuxcrafter | ebay link will be great |
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| 11:47.15 | liable | you want us to pay for it too? :P |
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| 11:47.34 | IamSOG | brb... |
| 11:47.40 | sebastian^ | morning folks |
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| 11:48.13 | erawfish | tuxcrafter: does not exst. pretty everything needs firmware. which is not dfsg compliant |
| 11:48.14 | liable | tuxcrafter: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB |
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| 11:56.54 | tuxcrafter | liable: jubs know the website thanks |
| 11:57.10 | liable | np |
| 11:57.33 | tuxcrafter | erawfish: yes i now there are no dfsg compliant sollution yet, but witch chipset is the lesser evil |
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| 11:57.48 | tuxcrafter | Realtek RTL 8187, zd1211rw |
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| 12:04.00 | themill | tuxcrafter: look at what ones have modules included in the mainline kernel (even if they do need a separate firmware package). /msg dpkg zd1211rw ; /msg dpkg rtl8187 |
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| 12:07.08 | gothenburg | Can I se programs in apt with a tag ? |
| 12:08.45 | acemi | gothenburg: apt-cache search keyword or apt-cache show package-name |
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| 12:13.18 | funyun | i accidentally clicked lock firewall on with firestarter on my dedicated server via vnc viewer. now i can't ssh into my server. it asks me for my password but doesn't let me in. is there anyway to fix this? |
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| 12:15.06 | hifi | funyun: local login |
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| 12:15.48 | acemi | funyun: it's not normal to ask for password if ssh is blocked |
| 12:16.18 | funyun | ??? |
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| 12:18.05 | acemi | I mean if the firewall blocks the ssh traffic, you don't see password prompt |
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| 12:18.39 | funyun | so can i fix this? i'm a noob. i'm not sure what you're saying.. |
| 12:18.43 | mrichman | How can I make a static route persistent across reboots? |
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| 12:19.53 | rmrfchik | mrichman: write a script for if-up.d |
| 12:20.15 | mrichman | can you point me to an example? |
| 12:20.34 | rmrfchik | do you know how to setup the route by hand? |
| 12:20.36 | acemi | funyun: don't forget to give the username with ssh: ssh username@ip_address |
| 12:21.17 | funyun | acemi: i know. that's what i'm doing. i cannot login with my user or as root |
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| 12:21.31 | mrichman | something like route add -net 172.16.0.0/16 gw 10.48.1.1 |
| 12:21.58 | rmrfchik | ok, so create a script with this line and put to /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 12:22.18 | liable | funyun: what he is saying, is that if your firewall is blocking ssh, you wouldnt even get asked for the password. |
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| 12:23.39 | funyun | someone has told me it's in kernel mode.. what's that? |
| 12:24.15 | mrichman | rmrfchik: thanks! |
| 12:24.15 | liable | iptables (firewall) is implemented by the kernel, dunno what the hell they mean by kernel mode |
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| 12:24.59 | funyun | liable: so my only option is to reinstall? |
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| 12:25.40 | liable | funyun: did you read my first comment? if you get asked for a password, then it doesn't look like your firewall is blocking ssh |
| 12:26.02 | funyun | liable: then what should i do? |
| 12:26.09 | beardy | funyun: As liable said, just give it the correct password. |
| 12:26.46 | beardy | funyun: If you have the option to reinstall, you can boot it in single user mode, or boot a livecd and fix it. |
| 12:27.13 | funyun | here's what i get when i give it the correct password. http://pastebin.ca/1239564 |
| 12:27.57 | beardy | Then it's not correct. |
| 12:28.03 | liable | i dont think its correct |
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| 12:28.23 | acemi | or the username is not correct |
| 12:28.30 | liable | that too |
| 12:28.33 | funyun | so it's been correct for months but it's suddenly not after i clicked lock firewall? |
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| 12:29.35 | funyun | anytime i ever accidentally typed the wrong password i got a message saying it's not the right password. i never got another line saying password: |
| 12:29.41 | liable | well, if your firewall behaves like a firewall should, and its actually blocking ports, then you shouldnt even get a login prompt |
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| 12:30.24 | liable | if firestarter does some other weird shit, you have to find out what it does. but its certainly not logical behaviour |
| 12:30.55 | tuxcrafter | bought a bunch of ZD1211B based devices again |
| 12:30.59 | funyun | how do i do that? |
| 12:31.11 | tuxcrafter | i do have some bugs with one of my other ZD1211B devices |
| 12:31.15 | liable | funyun: google, or ask firestarter people |
| 12:31.21 | tuxcrafter | it takes extreem long to load the firmware |
| 12:31.24 | tuxcrafter | 15 seconds |
| 12:31.38 | tuxcrafter | it increases boot time with 200% |
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| 12:31.49 | Gregory[CH] | hi |
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| 12:32.52 | funyun | so my only option is to ask firestarter people what 'weird shit' it does? is there any other way to get around this? |
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| 12:33.16 | Oohoh | Hey |
| 12:34.22 | Oohoh | The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/. Without the Grub boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 12:34.38 | Oohoh | someone can help me to resolve this issue? |
| 12:35.02 | funyun | can any of you firestarter users inlighten me about the weird shit it's capable of doing? |
| 12:35.12 | liable | funyun: you dont seem to listen. we have explained what should be happening. you refuse to listen, so we tell you to ask the firestarter people. |
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| 12:35.54 | liable | funyun: all logic points to wrong password, rather than blocked ports |
| 12:36.25 | liable | if the ports were blocked, you shouldnt even get a login prompt |
| 12:36.58 | funyun | liable: i read what you typed. but what you're not understanding is that it's the right password. it's the same password i used to identify this nick on irc. if i was indeed typing the wrong password in ssh then my nick would be guest right now |
| 12:38.14 | themill | funyun: you do realise that IRC is an unencrypted protocol, don't you (re: sharing passwords) |
| 12:38.31 | liable | funyun: i understand what you are saying, but you need to understand how port blocking works. If the port is blocked, then you dont get a login, therefore, either your password/username is wrong, or firestarter is doing weird things :) |
| 12:38.44 | themill | funyun: also you can use any nick you want without giving the password for it |
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| 12:39.34 | liable | funyun: what does running a port scanner against your server ip say? |
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| 12:39.56 | ringo999 | im logged into my remote server and im trying to scp a file to my local, what is the syntax? |
| 12:40.13 | funyun | liable: so the answer is that firestarter is doing weird things. my only question is, do i have any option besides a reinstall to fix this problem? |
| 12:40.32 | funyun | liable: how do i do that? |
| 12:40.36 | acemi | ringo999: scp file username@ip_address:~/ |
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| 12:40.46 | liable | ringo999: unless the local sever is running sshd as well, you need to run scp from the local to the server |
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| 12:41.17 | themill | funyun: if you're seeing the login prompt, then I don't think firestarter is doing anything at all (on the ssh port at least) |
| 12:41.40 | funyun | themill: can rescue mode help me? |
| 12:41.40 | ringo999 | liable: ok thanks |
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| 12:42.29 | liable | funyun: dont get your panties in a twist. dont even think about reinstall yet. first google whatever this firestarter thing you clicked on does |
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| 12:43.02 | themill | funyun: isn't this a remote machine? I'd guess that just rebooting the machine would clear firestarter's "lock" thing anyway. |
| 12:44.01 | funyun | liable: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=484271 |
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| 12:46.27 | liable | funyun: i dont know why you gave me that link |
| 12:46.56 | liable | it just shows that someone did something they didnt understand what they did.. |
| 12:46.56 | themill | From the firestarter manual: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/status-page.php "Locked: The firewall is in a state of lock-down. Nothing is allowed through the firewall, neither in nor out." |
| 12:47.18 | themill | But if ssh prompts for a password, then something must be getting through. |
| 12:47.27 | liable | exactly |
| 12:47.42 | themill | unless it's the key passphrase not the password |
| 12:47.54 | ringo999 | what is a good folder to keep public ssh keyfiles from different servers: ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:48.04 | liable | if it blocks ports, it should not give a prompt |
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| 12:48.49 | liable | so either it doesnt work as advertised, or .. |
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| 12:49.14 | wiedenmann | I have "Intel Core 2 Duo CPU" what architecture do I have to pick for debian netinstall? |
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| 12:49.33 | liable | wiedenmann: i386 or amd64 |
| 12:49.48 | funyun | the only thing i don't understand is how this could happen the second i click lock firewall. let's say it has nothing to do with firestarter. how do i solve this problem? |
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| 12:49.51 | hellues | hey |
| 12:50.07 | wiedenmann | liable: I dont know which to chose |
| 12:50.18 | stew | wiedenmann: what are you going to use the machine for? |
| 12:50.23 | liable | wiedenmann: if you dont know, use i386 |
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| 12:50.40 | wiedenmann | stew: I use it for scientific calculations |
| 12:50.46 | wiedenmann | its a laptop |
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| 12:50.52 | stew | funyun: get someone with access to the box to reset your password. or perhaps: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 12:50.53 | hellues | deb http://ftp.metu.edu.tr/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 12:50.54 | hellues | deb-src http://ftp.metu.edu.tr/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 12:50.54 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.54 | liable | heh |
| 12:51.00 | ringo999 | j #ssh |
| 12:51.07 | liable | wiedenmann: really? |
| 12:51.20 | wiedenmann | liable: i dont understand |
| 12:51.22 | liable | wiedenmann: that *may* be a reason to use 64 |
| 12:51.41 | stew | wiedenmann: probably amd64 |
| 12:51.48 | wiedenmann | liable: is there a page that describes the differences? |
| 12:51.56 | themill | wiedenmann: some precompiled simulation packages don't exist for amd64 though. It can be a faff. |
| 12:52.05 | liable | wiedenmann: generally there is no good reason to use 64, except for apps that need it, and you may have such reason |
| 12:52.06 | funyun | stew: okay. i'll try that |
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| 12:52.25 | hellues | what is the official repository of debian multimedia |
| 12:52.43 | wiedenmann | liable: i write my own apps, i dont use assembler, so i think i dont need 64 bit. |
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| 12:52.56 | stew | hellues: http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:53.08 | liable | wiedenmann: then you dont |
| 12:53.26 | wiedenmann | liable, stew: thank you for helping making my decision, i will use i386 |
| 12:53.30 | hellues | deb http://debian.multimedia.org testing main ? |
| 12:53.35 | wiedenmann | just for curiosity what is ia64 used for? |
| 12:53.43 | abrotman | itanium hardware |
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| 12:53.58 | liable | wiedenmann: its fine to use, but some stuff like flash and other proprietry stuff wont work, if you dont know you specifically need it, you generally dont |
| 12:54.19 | stew | hellues: here is a page that will tell you: http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:54.25 | liable | hellues: the main page there tells you |
| 12:54.27 | hellues | hey |
| 12:54.58 | hellues | i llooked it but in that page deb http://ftp.metu.edu.tr/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 12:54.58 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.05 | hellues | but this address doesnt work |
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| 12:55.45 | liable | define doesnt work |
| 12:55.50 | stew | hellues: if you are having problems with -multimedia, email marillat@free.fr |
| 12:55.56 | black_13 | i dont have sound ... but i do have sound hardware were do i start fixing the problem? |
| 12:56.09 | stew | black_13: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:56.51 | hellues | okey |
| 12:56.55 | hellues | thanks |
| 12:57.52 | black_13 | stew, funn i dont have alsaconf in /usr/bin or /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 12:57.56 | black_13 | funny |
| 12:57.58 | hellues | black_13, i had this problem but i install linux-image-source,header,kbuild |
| 12:58.03 | hellues | and problem fixed |
| 12:58.17 | hellues | install alsa-base |
| 12:58.58 | stew | black_13: ignore the above and install alsa-utils |
| 12:58.58 | black_13 | are you saying that you crated a custom kernel ? |
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| 12:59.22 | abrotman | black_13: ignore hellues, you likely do not need a custom kernel |
| 12:59.38 | black_13 | gotcha |
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| 13:01.03 | hellues | abrotman, but i force to no sound problem and my system recognize my sound card.I download and install my own kernel source,install,headers then problem fixed. |
| 13:01.25 | abrotman | hellues: that makes no sense at all |
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| 13:01.44 | abrotman | well .. it does .. but don't tell everyone to compile their own kernel |
| 13:01.53 | stew | hellues: there is no way that installing source and headers could fix your sound, you'd have to do more |
| 13:02.17 | stew | and if he hasn't run alsaconf yet, that's a much more sane place to start |
| 13:02.37 | stew | like first try loading the sound drivers at all before you decide to start upgrading them needlessly |
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| 13:02.57 | greeq | gothenburg, i used the x86 debian version and dpkg that |
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| 13:03.43 | black_13 | now experience the power of this fully functional death star! |
| 13:03.46 | hellues | you are right may be but this fixed my sound problem.Dunno. |
| 13:03.52 | black_13 | heh sound works thanks stew |
| 13:04.16 | stew | hellues: no, it didn't |
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| 13:05.08 | hellues | okey |
| 13:05.13 | rv_ | hello |
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| 13:05.47 | greeq | can anyone help me with flash. i m using debian lenny. flash is workin but its very jerky |
| 13:06.00 | rv_ | how to install ruby 1.8.6 on debian lenny? |
| 13:06.01 | rv_ | ;] |
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| 13:06.07 | tarzeau | greeq: adobe flash or swfdec-mozilla? |
| 13:06.17 | greeq | adobe tarzeau |
| 13:06.22 | tarzeau | adobe sucks |
| 13:06.35 | tarzeau | greeq: nobody can do anything on that, you'll have to ask adobe about it |
| 13:06.47 | abrotman | greeq: is it slow on everything or just movies? in all browsers? |
| 13:06.47 | themill | rv_: no easy way. 1.8.7.72 is in lenny. |
| 13:07.00 | rv_ | ehm |
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| 13:07.26 | stew | greeq: you want the flashplugin-nonfree package which is in contrib (/msg dpkg contrib) |
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| 13:07.43 | stew | greeq: oh, flash is working. nevermind |
| 13:07.53 | abrotman | but is it actually using adobe flash? |
| 13:08.03 | themill | abrotman: [13:06] <greeq> adobe tarzeau |
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| 13:08.18 | stew | he's running adobe tarzeau? |
| 13:08.32 | abrotman | themill: that doesn't mean that's the one he's actually using |
| 13:08.41 | themill | stew: yep, it's the new improved version! |
| 13:08.48 | themill | abrotman: very true. |
| 13:09.30 | Spirit_ | anyone here know stuff about avfs? i can't get a dreamhost (bleh) user mounted. using "dir ~/.avfs/#ssh:user@something.dreamhost.com" i get the root, using "dir ~/.avfs/#ssh:user@something.dreamhost.com/home/myuser/something" i get "No such file or directory". i cannot go from the root to my home because dreamhost does not allow /home/ to be seen. |
| 13:09.33 | tarzeau | stew: flash is from adobe |
| 13:09.46 | funyun | liable, stew, themill: the person with access put me in rescue mode. it allows me to ssh in now. i'm logged in as root. what should i do to fix this? |
| 13:09.49 | hellues | what is wrong with flash |
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| 13:10.30 | hellues | are there a debian package for cedega ? |
| 13:10.36 | stew | funyun: you were able to ssh in with the password you were using previously that wouldn't let you ssh in? |
| 13:10.50 | funyun | stew: yes |
| 13:10.51 | tarzeau | hellues: the adobe flash only exists for linux x86 |
| 13:11.05 | tarzeau | hellues: so anyone with a 64bit linux, powerpc, sparc or whatever can't use it (well used to) |
| 13:11.07 | stew | hellues: its buggy and non-free |
| 13:11.14 | tarzeau | same problem like with www.zattoo.ch |
| 13:11.18 | Spirit_ | hellues: prolly |
| 13:11.26 | Spirit_ | zattoo also does not work with OSS :( |
| 13:11.33 | stew | funyun: and you think this is caused by a firewall package? |
| 13:12.13 | greeq | so no way to get it work better? |
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| 13:12.37 | funyun | stew: it started the second i clicked "lock firewall". it could be that or just some coincidence.. |
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| 13:13.29 | hellues | hmm |
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| 13:13.31 | stew | funyun: so either try 'whatever is the opposite of "lock firewall"' or get rid of the firewall (and perhaps replace it with one you know how to operate) |
| 13:15.02 | erawfish | what does the exact format for a base64 file have to be so I can decode it with base64? |
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| 13:15.38 | erawfish | it#s an email attachment and I fed it the full mail, only the base64 chars, the boundardies and the base64 chars, etc |
| 13:15.39 | hellues | what do you suggest for flash video ? I am not glad adobe flash actually. |
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| 13:15.54 | erawfish | hellues: only way to use adobe flash |
| 13:15.57 | Spirit_ | clive :) |
| 13:16.29 | Spirit_ | http://clive.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:16.31 | Spirit_ | it's great |
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| 13:17.42 | funyun | stew: my user is rescue atm. i want to get my server back to normal ( allowing me to login with user and root and not in rescue mode ). how can i do that from where i'm at now? |
| 13:18.04 | hellues | Spirit_, |
| 13:18.18 | hellues | are there clive debian package ? |
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| 13:18.25 | hellues | And its work in iceweasel |
| 13:18.28 | Spirit_ | don't think |
| 13:18.30 | Spirit_ | so |
| 13:18.36 | Spirit_ | no, it is an external thing |
| 13:18.46 | Spirit_ | nothing embedded or a flash-equivalent |
| 13:19.41 | hellues | what is your browser ? |
| 13:19.43 | LjL | i'd like some guidance configuring my network. i have a computer with 3 ethernets going to the local network, and i've now added a wireless card, which should cover the same local network. the ethernets are in a bridged setup using "brctl" and NAT (started by an init.d script i wrote), and want static addresses, while i'd like the wireless card to offer DHCP |
| 13:19.51 | Spirit_ | that does not matter at all, opera |
| 13:20.07 | stew | erawfish: just the base64 characters should work |
| 13:20.09 | hellues | i dont use iceweasel or epiphany or something. |
| 13:20.13 | themill | funyun: I'd uninstall firestarter and reset both your user and root passwords so that you are sure you know what is going on. |
| 13:20.28 | stew | funyun: how can you do what, eactly? |
| 13:21.28 | liable | remove firestarter is the best advice i think. that should get you back to a normal state |
| 13:22.03 | liable | i would also file a bug against it. |
| 13:22.19 | stew | LjL: what more specifically can we help you with? |
| 13:23.33 | LjL | stew: well, i don't have a specific question. the thing "more or less" works right now, but i have to start the init.d script twice, or bring up the interface twice, so i'm just thinking that my setup might be generally flawed (for started, i'm not sure writing your own init.d script to set up NAT and bridging is very orthodox) |
| 13:23.54 | LjL | stew: so i'd like being pointed to a clean way to do the whole setup |
| 13:24.00 | liable | LjL: why are you doing that? |
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| 13:24.41 | LjL | liable: because it's the only way i know. also, this computer has been around for years (several years), and it's all grown by trial, error, and not fixing the error |
| 13:25.27 | stew | LjL: i'd recommend that instead you setup the firewalling for a particular interface in a script called by a pre-up line for that interface in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces). The bridging should be done in /etc/network/interfaces too, which should be documented in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian |
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| 13:26.18 | liable | LjL: its acting as a router or something is it? |
| 13:26.22 | Qtronix | Just a quick question. Configuring Xorg is a pain in teh ass. What package can i install to actually set up a usable X configuration? And choose resolution and so on |
| 13:26.31 | liable | is a little confused |
| 13:26.43 | stew | Qtronix: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 13:27.11 | LjL | stew: that seems just like what i was looking for. i'll report back if there's still something i don't have clear or have forgot some of the stuff that needs being setup |
| 13:27.31 | Qtronix | stew: that just writes a new generic xorg.conf. :/ I have to still add several sections to get it to work |
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| 13:27.45 | LjL | liable: yes, it acts as a router as well as a generic server. if i were to make it again now, i'd use a hub instead of 4 NICs |
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| 13:28.08 | liable | ok |
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| 13:29.05 | stew | Qtronix: then try 'X -configure' |
| 13:29.25 | Qtronix | Anyone know of a utility that queries the user for resolution and so on, and actually sets up a usable X config? |
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| 13:30.17 | Qtronix | stew: ah, i've missed that parameter |
| 13:30.17 | liable | is a little disappointed x is too automagic now with no way to fix it without manual editing |
| 13:30.26 | Qtronix | stew, I'll have to try that :p |
| 13:30.43 | stew | liable: gravity recommends falling back on X -configure |
| 13:30.45 | erawfish | liable: it's simply atrocious.whoever did this should be flogged. repeatedly |
| 13:30.45 | liable | is that like the old x86config? |
| 13:30.53 | abrotman | pretty much |
| 13:31.06 | liable | i thought that was frowned upon? |
| 13:31.13 | erawfish | stew: and this gives me something like drxx? just as "easy"? |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | it was when debconf handled xorg.conf, but it doens't do anythign with it now |
| 13:31.59 | stew | erawfish: iirc, it also does autodetection, but will generate a more explicit xorg.conf |
| 13:32.02 | LjL | stew, liable: lastly, given i'm not going to change the hardware setup now (although it might not be ideal), do you think a software bridge between local NICs *is* a satisfying way to make it "act as a router (or switch)", or should i look at something else too? |
| 13:33.29 | stew | LjL: well it depends on if you want it to act like a router or a switch. if you want to act like a switch, then yes, bridging is the way to go, if it actually needs to route packets from one subnet to others, then bridging might not be appropriate |
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| 13:34.28 | Dev\Null | hello |
| 13:34.31 | Dev\Null | i can? |
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| 13:35.07 | LjL | stew: i just want it to route stuff coming from 192.168.0.x to the either the internet (eth0) or the same local subnet |
| 13:35.20 | stew | LjL: then bridging is the right thing |
| 13:35.21 | erawfish | stew: thank you. at least something. better than before, now one has something to start from and not such a bare xorg.conf |
| 13:35.31 | LjL | nice, thanks |
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| 13:36.15 | stew | erawfish: right. though also remember that when drxx gives you a bare xorg.conf, it should leave beind your previous xorg.conf in xorg.conf.$date (if there was a previous xorg.conf) |
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| 13:36.46 | erawfish | stew: X -configure puts the new xorg.conf in +/xorg.conf.new |
| 13:36.46 | erawfish | so no problems there |
| 13:37.05 | Dev\Null | stew i have a problem,i'have an account shell based on debian,but i'm not have root privilege,yesterday i have installed from my account httpd-2.2.10 but now if i test an delete is,say Permission denied :( |
| 13:37.17 | masus | hi all have anybody experience with debian etch +freeradius +chillispot ? have a problem to authenticate via hotspotlogin.cgi can anybody help me here are some log and configs -> Thanks All. http://pastebin.ca/1239575 |
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| 13:40.07 | stew | Dev\Null: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:41.26 | Dev\Null | stew http://rafb.net/p/lihkPQ66.html |
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| 13:42.09 | stew | Dev\Null: what does "ls -ld httpd-2.2.10/srclib/apr-util/misc/.libs" return? |
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| 13:47.07 | Laeborg | hi |
| 13:47.24 | Laeborg | how does i remove apache2 and phpmyadmin totally from my server? |
| 13:48.32 | Rv | hmm |
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| 13:48.43 | Rv | there is mod_passenger in debian lenny? |
| 13:48.56 | Laeborg | i use etch |
| 13:49.01 | stew | Laeborg: remove apache2.2-common and phpmyadmin packages: /msg dpkg purge |
| 13:49.06 | stew | Rv: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:50.25 | ma3x | how do i copy cd? with genisoimage? |
| 13:50.36 | Rv | why there is no mod_passenger :> ? |
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| 13:51.18 | stew | Rv: either becuase A) there is some problem that makes it undistributable or B) nobody has yet volunteered to maintain it in debian |
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| 13:51.31 | Rv | i see |
| 13:51.33 | stew | Rv: if it is B then perhaps an RFP would help: /msg dpkg RFP |
| 13:51.47 | jimmy-uvm | Hi I'm using Debian on a couple of my servers, and I am SSHing in to them from Mac OS X Leopard, when I enter screen I can no longer use the backspace key or tab? It just says Woof Woof ha, any idea about this? |
| 13:52.11 | petemc | jimmy-uvm: theres a setting in terminal.app, backspace sends ^h |
| 13:52.38 | jimmy-uvm | Ah! |
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| 13:52.40 | jimmy-uvm | Let me see. |
| 13:53.03 | cRoW2k | hi |
| 13:53.45 | bolt-work | goes moo |
| 13:53.57 | cRoW2k | can i upgrade my etch to r5 ? i've to change my source list or the default that i've is ok? (etch main, updates main contrib, main contrib non-free) |
| 13:54.07 | funyun | themill: as rescue, it's not letting me remove firestarter and it's also not letting me change the password of my user. it says unknown user.. |
| 13:54.12 | stew | Rv: looks like it is being worked on: http://bugs.debian.org/488753 |
| 13:54.17 | Laeborg | hmm i have now reinstalled phpmyadmin, but when i try to access it, my browser (firefox) will download the files |
| 13:54.18 | IamSOG | um... I have been wondering is it better to download the offical debian kernel from debian web page than to use the kernel on kernel.org? I have heard the offical Debian kernel have more package and more support, but when I don't see the difference when I do the config? |
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| 13:55.16 | stew | cRoW2k: do you have a security.debian.org line in sources.list? |
| 13:55.16 | cRoW2k | stew: yes |
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| 13:55.57 | jimmy-uvm | petemc: Cool, that worked, any idea about the tab completion? |
| 13:56.17 | stew | cRoW2k: then you are likely already up to date with r5. "aptitude search '~U'" will list any packages that need to be upgraded |
| 13:56.38 | stew | cRoW2k: only a handful of packages changed between 4.0r4 and 4.0r5 |
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| 13:58.04 | abrotman | IamSOG: unless you have a good reason, use the debian kernel |
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| 13:58.13 | stew | IamSOG: whichever works is fine. debian's is pre-built and has some non-free bits reomved, and is built modular. If that works for you, its easier. if not, you can build debian's source or kernel.org source: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 13:58.38 | IamSOG | oh thanks abrotman and stew... |
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| 13:58.54 | funyun | stew: i want to go back to normal. where i can login as user or root instead of rescue. how do i get back to normal from rescue? |
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| 13:59.00 | IamSOG | oh thanks abrotman and stew... just been wondering :D |
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| 13:59.07 | cRoW2k | stew: thanks |
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| 13:59.16 | Gregory[CH] | question |
| 13:59.27 | Gregory[CH] | do I have a way to know how much query my dns answer a day ? |
| 13:59.33 | stew | funyun: if you want to switch between single user and multi-user, "telinit 2" (assuming you are still using debian's default of runlevel 2 for multiuser) |
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| 14:00.28 | funyun | stew: so "telinit 2" will get things back to normal? |
| 14:00.43 | abrotman | Gregory[CH]: you can look at your bind logs |
| 14:01.00 | loralitilli | Hi, i'm running lenny for testing ... on an apt-get upgrade i read "package hal is hold back" ... why that? |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | !tell loralitilli about held back |
| 14:01.15 | stew | funyun: that will switch you to multi-user mode, running all the shutdown scripts in /etc/rc1.d and the startup scripts in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 14:01.58 | loralitilli | thx |
| 14:01.59 | funyun | stew: i typed "telinit 2" but i still cannot login as root. when i try to login as root it logs me in as rescue |
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| 14:02.50 | stew | funyun: what does /sbin/runlevel return? |
| 14:03.14 | funyun | N 2 |
| 14:03.39 | stew | funyun: so according to that, you are already in multi-user. |
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| 14:04.40 | funyun | stew: but i still can't login as user or root |
| 14:05.16 | stew | funyun: what do you mean by: "it logs me in as rescue"? as a user named "rescue"? |
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| 14:06.15 | funyun | stew: usually if i log in as root i see root:~#. now when i log in as root i see rescue:~# |
| 14:06.39 | stew | funyun: how are you logging in? |
| 14:06.44 | funyun | ssh |
| 14:06.44 | stew | funyun: who set this up? |
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| 14:06.51 | stew | funyun: you login as what user using ssh? |
| 14:06.57 | funyun | i did |
| 14:07.09 | funyun | stew: root |
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| 14:07.21 | stew | funyun: how did you set this up? |
| 14:07.28 | stew | funyun: what does "whoami" return? |
| 14:07.29 | don_vito | hello, how to configure dns ? |
| 14:07.43 | funyun | stew: root |
| 14:08.04 | stew | funyun: what does "echo $PS1" return? |
| 14:08.29 | funyun | stew: \h:\w\$ |
| 14:08.31 | stew | don_vito: man resolv.conf |
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| 14:09.21 | stew | funyun: so the hostname is set to 'rescue' and normally your hostname is set to 'root' |
| 14:09.27 | stew | funyun: what is in /etc/hostname ? |
| 14:09.49 | funyun | stew: -bash: /etc/hostname: Permission denied |
| 14:10.00 | stew | funyun: its not a command, it is a text file |
| 14:10.27 | funyun | stew: rescue.ovh.net |
| 14:10.47 | stew | funyun: ok, i don't see the problem then |
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| 14:11.03 | stew | funyun: you try to login as root, you end up being logged in as root |
| 14:11.19 | stew | funyun: you are seeing rescue: on the command line, becuase that is your hostname |
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| 14:11.22 | ma3x | what command line tool do I use to copy a cd? (possible copyrighted)? |
| 14:11.39 | ma3x | i normally copy it with k3b, but heck what do i know what's the backend for k3b |
| 14:11.47 | tarzeau | i use readcd |
| 14:12.12 | acemi | ma3x: wodim |
| 14:12.23 | funyun | stew: so there's no way to log into my user? or to log into root and see root like i could before this whole firestarter incident? |
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| 14:13.14 | stew | funyun: what happens when you try to login to your user? logging in to root is workign fine |
| 14:13.42 | stew | funyun: you mean "see root" like you say you used to see root: on your command line and not rescue: ? |
| 14:13.57 | funyun | stew: yes |
| 14:14.05 | ma3x | to copy a cd, can't i just make an image of it first, using dd and then burn the image |
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| 14:14.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes, but it's better done with readcd |
| 14:14.21 | stew | funyun: what you are seeing is the hostname of your computer, do you want to change the hostname? |
| 14:14.29 | funyun | stew: when i try to login to my user it just keeps saying password: |
| 14:14.55 | funyun | stew: i guess i need to find out what the hostname was before this happened? |
| 14:14.57 | stew | funyun: if you don't know the password for your user, you can reset it with "passwd username" as root |
| 14:14.59 | ma3x | tarzeau: what's readcd? |
| 14:15.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: a tool from cdrecord (now: wodim) |
| 14:15.17 | stew | funyun: according to what you are telling me, it was "root" |
| 14:15.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: the opposite of cdrecord |
| 14:15.41 | funyun | stew: when i try to go cd /home/user i get No such file or directory. so is it completely gone, along with the 200GBs i had in that dir? |
| 14:16.54 | stew | funyun: how did you get this machine into rescue mode? |
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| 14:17.16 | Brigo | any utility for hd diagnostic on linux? |
| 14:17.27 | funyun | stew: my reseller did it |
| 14:17.30 | ma3x | tarzeau: does readcd copy even if the cd is copyright protected? |
| 14:17.46 | Laeborg | how does i find out what ID my database has ? |
| 14:17.47 | tarzeau | how is it copyright protected? |
| 14:17.50 | stew | funyun: then ask your reseller what they did. it sounds to me like they have you logging into a completely different install |
| 14:18.03 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know, i haven't seen a copyright protected cd that i couldn't copy :) |
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| 14:18.58 | ma3x | tarzeau: dunno, some friend of mine said he couldn't copy it (toefl test), but he still hasn't brought me the cd. i guess he tried and failed with his windows programs |
| 14:19.02 | baek_thf | Brigo fsck :) hdparm |
| 14:19.07 | Rv | there is no apache mod for ldap authorization in debian? |
| 14:19.11 | Rv | :S |
| 14:19.42 | jamon | Brigo: smartmontools is likely what you're after |
| 14:20.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: aha. what cd is it? |
| 14:20.29 | stew | Rv: there are multiple |
| 14:20.59 | ma3x | tarzeau: with TOEFL software on it, I have no idea, I'll see the cd tonight |
| 14:21.18 | funyun | stew: okay, just sent him a message |
| 14:21.35 | Rv | stew, which? i dont see mod_ldap :S |
| 14:22.29 | stew | Rv: mod_authnz_ldap and mod_ldap are in the apache2.2-common package |
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| 14:22.44 | Brigo | but only test for errors |
| 14:22.54 | Rv | stew, i see... thx :) |
| 14:23.05 | Brigo | i think i have a bad ide controller |
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| 14:23.25 | Brigo | and i need something like memtest86, but for disks |
| 14:23.26 | ma3x | tarzeau: do you still play nethack? |
| 14:23.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: i haven't gotten to play it again lately, but yes it's one of my favourite games. why? |
| 14:23.59 | stew | Brigo: badblocks |
| 14:25.02 | Brigo | i have not a badblocks problem, it's a corrupt file system my problem |
| 14:25.17 | ma3x | tarzeau: just wondering, it's such a simple game. i like better chromium. |
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| 14:25.41 | ma3x | tarzeau: what's interesting in switzerland these days? is there linuxtage going on or some gatherings? |
| 14:26.25 | stew | ma3x: tarzeau: -> #debian-offtopic |
| 14:26.46 | ma3x | hi stew |
| 14:26.53 | ma3x | will do |
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| 14:27.59 | funyun | stew: ragebox is my reseller. can ya tell him what you told me? he's a lot more experienced |
| 14:28.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: it'll train your memory |
| 14:28.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: it has practically endless things to try out and ways of dying |
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| 14:28.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: we got the first snowflakes today, this winter |
| 14:28.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: there's octoberfest in zurich |
| 14:28.54 | stew | tarzeau: please take this conversation elsewhere |
| 14:29.03 | tarzeau | stew: sorry just read your comment at the end |
| 14:29.04 | jamon | Brigo: fsck then, if you think it's the controller, smartmontools |
| 14:29.05 | tarzeau | fifo |
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| 14:30.17 | Brigo | jamon: smartmontools for the controller? |
| 14:30.49 | troubled | tarballs up tarzeau and rolls him around the channel |
| 14:31.36 | stew | ragebox: uhh, funyun should ask you how you put the box into rescue mode |
| 14:31.40 | tarzeau | smacks troubled around with a large trout |
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| 14:35.59 | woden1 | How do you get the Appearance applet to show the tab for 3D desktop effects? |
| 14:36.27 | feld | hrm I hope someone can give me some insight on this -- I like using kexec. It works nicely on debian (sid). The only issue is that I don't know how to do a regular, non-kexec reboot without an actual shutdown/poweroff and poweron. Is there no way to override and say "do a regular reboot"? |
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| 14:39.15 | troubled | feld: shutdown -r or reboot doesn't work when using kexec? |
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| 14:40.58 | jelly | troubled: I'd guess it does kexec instead |
| 14:41.29 | troubled | im guessing that it hooks into the rc shutdown scripts to do that magic? |
| 14:41.36 | troubled | or does the kernel do it all itself? |
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| 14:41.56 | jelly | will refrain from further guessing, but would go with the door number one |
| 14:41.57 | troubled | havent actually tried using kexec yet if it isnt obvious ;) |
| 14:42.53 | jelly | I wonder what would happen with SysRq-S, SysRq-U, SysRq-B sequence |
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| 14:44.23 | jamon | raising skinny elephants is utterly boring, you missed the r and i ;) |
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| 14:46.52 | woden1 | Is it normal for any app to take 15 seconds to load on a modern system? Or, what the heck is wrong with my system? |
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| 14:47.53 | abrotman | woden1: depends on the app |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | and what else the system is doing |
| 14:48.09 | AvK | how can i add a program to menu in xfce 4.4.2 |
| 14:48.36 | woden1 | abrotman: gedit, gnome-terminal, epiphany, etc. Pretty much any and all apps. Nothing else is going on in the system. |
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| 14:49.07 | amphi | woden1: do you see anything of interest if you start one of them from a term? |
| 14:49.34 | a_l_e | woden1: i suddenly thought that somebody has ported indesign or photoshop to debian... but i realized that they take 30 second to load... |
| 14:49.47 | stew | woden1: run "vmstat 1" in a term, then go to start one of them in another term, and show us the output of vmstat from when the app was starting ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:51.25 | woden1 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/20240/ |
| 14:52.27 | mhymn | AvK: 'aptitude install menu', ask #xfce too |
| 14:52.56 | stew | woden1: how long after you started vmstat did you try to launch an application? according to this, the system was completely idle for the first 15 seconds becuase there were no processes to run at all |
| 14:53.10 | woden1 | stew: I didnt wait at all. |
| 14:53.19 | woden1 | I'll do it again with a delay |
| 14:53.28 | jamon | then bust out the strace woden1 |
| 14:53.30 | stew | woden1: no, that's ok. it does seem like something is wrong |
| 14:53.35 | stew | yes, i'd recommend strace |
| 14:53.42 | woden1 | ok |
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| 14:55.13 | woden1 | weird behavior. i did strace epiphany and its just sitting there all greyed-out |
| 14:55.30 | troubled | does it have focus? |
| 14:55.47 | woden1 | i tried to give it focus but it won't respond |
| 14:55.50 | abrotman | woden1: how did you install gnome? |
| 14:55.52 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 14:55.56 | abrotman | woden1: does it happen for all users? |
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| 14:56.00 | SerajewelKS | why do people think GPL is the same as public domain |
| 14:56.02 | troubled | does the syslog show anything odd? has dmesg buffer filled up with errors of any kind? etc |
| 14:56.04 | woden1 | abrotman: yea all users have the same problem |
| 14:56.26 | abrotman | woden1: aptitude install gnome ? is dbus running? |
| 14:56.27 | woden1 | abrotman: I installed from the Lenny netinstall ISO. just chose "Desktop" as the role when installation menu asked. |
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| 14:57.08 | troubled | woden1: are all the console/cli tools snappy and fast running? |
| 14:57.12 | feld | jelly: SUB does what's advertised |
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| 14:57.21 | woden1 | troubled: yes they are. |
| 14:57.28 | feld | kexec just mods the shutdown scripts or something and hooks in but what if i want a regular reboot? :( |
| 14:57.41 | woden1 | abrotman: yes ps aux|grep dbus shows that a couple different dbus processes are running |
| 14:57.41 | feld | that's just the only problem I have with it right now heh |
| 14:58.05 | troubled | feld: if you look at the init scripts, does it have comments that explain a way around? |
| 14:58.05 | feld | they should really update the reboot script when kexec is installed to allow you to do a reboot -N (normal) or something |
| 14:58.24 | troubled | feld: worse case, you could probably edit them manually to add such a switch |
| 14:58.28 | woden1 | maybe I should format and reinstall |
| 14:58.39 | troubled | woden1: nay |
| 14:58.52 | woden1 | want my strace output? there's a lot of it |
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| 14:59.03 | troubled | woden1: its better to find out why something broke, rather than just shrug your shoulders and reinstall |
| 14:59.11 | duh | does anyone here have a system using encryption & LVM? i need a reference. |
| 14:59.17 | feld | troubled: the kexec init scripts do nothing but figure out what kernel and commandline options (/proc/cmdline) it should use when kexec is called |
| 14:59.28 | feld | duh: yes i am |
| 14:59.33 | troubled | duh: same |
| 14:59.38 | feld | raid1 -> encryption -> lvm |
| 14:59.43 | duh | great! |
| 14:59.47 | troubled | no raid1 |
| 14:59.49 | duh | what's in /etc/crypttab? |
| 15:00.06 | feld | # <target name> <source device> <key file> <options> |
| 15:00.07 | feld | crypt /dev/md1 none luks |
| 15:00.07 | SerajewelKS | how do i approach a GPL violation against my software when the party in violation is doing everything they can to prevent communication with me? |
| 15:00.09 | troubled | duh: path to your key files for post boot filesystems |
| 15:00.19 | duh | feld: good |
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| 15:00.38 | duh | feld: what is root devices in fstab? |
| 15:00.58 | troubled | duh: the initrd scripts should handle dealing with the rootfs |
| 15:01.04 | feld | duh: /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-root / ext3 defaults,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 15:01.11 | troubled | the crypttab is for mounting secondary stuff generally |
| 15:01.14 | duh | troubled: and i'm troubleshooting those :P |
| 15:01.23 | troubled | s/generally// |
| 15:01.27 | feld | VolGroup00 is able to be recognized when /dev/mapper/crypt is created |
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| 15:01.44 | duh | i'm wondering if the name "crypt" is required. |
| 15:02.00 | duh | here's the deal, i can't boot (hence windows irc :P). |
| 15:02.07 | tehmarz | Hey, I was wondering if people could help me. I upgraded to Sid, but it killed a few things (like, no GStreamer devices?) so would like to downgrade again. Is there a way I can reinstall all programs which are at a higher version than are in my repositories? |
| 15:02.19 | duh | i just recreated my LVM on top of encryption, while preserving my old /boot |
| 15:02.27 | duh | i did update-initramfs etc |
| 15:02.28 | troubled | duh: in crypttab, the first field would be the name you want to call the luks partition as it will appear in /dev/mapper/$NAME |
| 15:02.41 | duh | troubled: yep. |
| 15:02.54 | duh | but /scripts/local-top/cryptroot is failing |
| 15:02.57 | troubled | duh: the second field is the actual dev name which in lvm would be /dev/$vgname/$lvname |
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| 15:03.17 | duh | my encrypted volume gets unlocked |
| 15:03.22 | Y2K38 | hey guys |
| 15:03.23 | troubled | duh: the third field is a key file that you have generated ahead of time |
| 15:03.26 | duh | but then fails to activate lvm |
| 15:03.40 | feld | duh: ok good but then is it recognizable with a pvscan; vgscan; vgchange -ay ? |
| 15:03.50 | Y2K38 | is there some reason why doing $ dhclient eth0 doesn't work but $ dhclient eth2 works ? i've got 2 NICs |
| 15:04.02 | duh | feld: YES. |
| 15:04.03 | Y2K38 | maybe something to do with /etc/network/interface ? |
| 15:04.11 | duh | feld: this appears to be a scripting failure. |
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| 15:04.17 | Y2K38 | anyone? :P |
| 15:04.27 | feld | Y2K38: is the cable plugged in? :) |
| 15:04.30 | troubled | Y2K38: in ifconfig -a, whats listed? |
| 15:04.32 | Y2K38 | feld yes |
| 15:04.38 | duh | the specific message is from /scripts/local-top/cryptroot, "cryptsetup: failed to setup lvm device" |
| 15:04.42 | Y2K38 | troubled, lists eth0 and eth2 |
| 15:04.53 | troubled | Y2K38: stuff like vmware worked odd in etch for example, it skipped a dev name |
| 15:05.01 | Y2K38 | one is b44 card and the other is r8169 gigabit card |
| 15:05.07 | feld | duh: I'm running sid. I haven't done this on etch or lenny. I have however done it on a few Ubuntu releases too |
| 15:05.31 | Y2K38 | troubled, this isn't virtualised :) |
| 15:05.32 | troubled | Y2K38: try man ifname I think its called. should allow you to rename devices based on mac address. or you can use udev to do it |
| 15:05.42 | Y2K38 | troubled, just plain old lenny box |
| 15:05.51 | duh | feld: i'm on lenny, with most recent cryptsetup |
| 15:06.02 | troubled | Y2K38: haven't really used lenny yet, so not sure what quirks the kernel might have |
| 15:06.14 | Y2K38 | troubled, i don't think thats the trouble though. i am happy with dev names |
| 15:06.22 | duh | feld: the hiccup is that the original installation wasn't encrypted, i'm migrating |
| 15:06.25 | Y2K38 | troubled, ifname just allows one to change interface name |
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| 15:06.34 | troubled | Y2K38: try bring up the interface with a static ip and put traffic out it |
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| 15:06.43 | feld | duh: hrm well... what's your grub kernel line look like for root= ? |
| 15:06.44 | Y2K38 | i am more interested why it allows dhclient to happen on eth2 and not eth0 |
| 15:06.49 | Y2K38 | troubled, did that on eth0 |
| 15:07.02 | troubled | Y2K38: also, take a look at dmesg and look for trouble idicators |
| 15:07.02 | feld | duh: mine is root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-root |
| 15:07.05 | Y2K38 | troubled, the gw wouldn't even look at my pings |
| 15:07.08 | LjL | stew: is specifying "pointopoint" in interfaces equivalent to doing a "route add" on bring-up? |
| 15:07.12 | Y2K38 | troubled, tried that too nothing |
| 15:07.26 | troubled | Y2K38: could just be bad routing table? |
| 15:07.34 | Y2K38 | troubled, although on both instances of route -n, its the same |
| 15:07.48 | Y2K38 | troubled, its exactly the same on both dhclient'ed eth2 and static eth0 |
| 15:07.52 | troubled | Y2K38: pastebin your route -n output and ifconfig -a ? |
| 15:07.58 | Y2K38 | troubled, will do just a sec |
| 15:08.06 | duh | feld: root hasn't changed. i'm booting now to query |
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| 15:08.21 | troubled | Y2K38: as for pings, its hard to go by that if you are pininging a machine that may be firewalling some ips for icmps |
| 15:08.43 | Y2K38 | troubled, my gw doesn't do that btw |
| 15:08.44 | Y2K38 | :) |
| 15:08.50 | Y2K38 | troubled, lan facing eth0 i.e |
| 15:09.04 | stew | LjL: "pointtopoint" is not something I'm familiar with. where are you seeing this? |
| 15:09.05 | Y2K38 | although its not hard to find boxes outside the lan that do this |
| 15:09.07 | troubled | Y2K38: what eth is hooked to what? |
| 15:09.15 | duh | feld: my root hasn't changed, root=/dev/mapper/newrootvg-lvroot |
| 15:09.16 | Y2K38 | troubled, i'll pastebin just a sec |
| 15:09.20 | duh | feld: which is correct |
| 15:09.20 | troubled | k |
| 15:09.33 | LjL | stew: well, it's in man interfaces, says "Address of other end point (dotted quad). Note the spelling of "point-to"." |
| 15:09.46 | LjL | stew: i do have it in my interfaces file currently, although it's probably useless and a remnant from the past |
| 15:09.50 | feld | duh: hrm okay.... and you have done update-initramfs and saw it update the one for that kernel, right? |
| 15:10.17 | duh | feld: i removed all other initrd's, and even deleted and recreated initramfs for this kernel |
| 15:10.33 | troubled | duh: did your rootfs mount okay? |
| 15:10.37 | feld | duh: ok. and you're unlocking with a password and not trying to use a key on another drive/device yet, right? |
| 15:10.41 | troubled | duh: cause thats all the initrd script handles |
| 15:10.45 | LjL | stew: anyway, you'd do it as "up route add -net 192.168.0.0 dev bridgename"? |
| 15:10.47 | duh | troubled: i'm booted in rescue mode and completely online ftm |
| 15:11.00 | duh | feld: standard password, not on external. |
| 15:11.02 | feld | kk |
| 15:11.02 | troubled | duh: the crypttab stuff is used *after* you have sucessfully unlocked the rootfs and booted |
| 15:11.30 | duh | what about /conf/conf.d/cryptroot ? |
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| 15:11.40 | Y2K38 | troubled, paste.debian.net/20243 |
| 15:11.51 | troubled | duh: http://paste.debian.net/20244/ |
| 15:12.00 | duh | feld: on your box, what does /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot say? |
| 15:12.01 | feld | troubled: rootfs you mean in the initrd, not the actual root filesystem, right? |
| 15:12.07 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats with eth2 up and running |
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| 15:12.12 | troubled | duh: use that script to create a key for cryptab, then use cryptsetup to format the luks volume |
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| 15:12.17 | feld | duh: I don't have one |
| 15:12.48 | huangfei | hello, any one please help me to disable the flash while press tab ? |
| 15:12.49 | duh | troubled: i'm already setup with encryption, this is a boot issue |
| 15:13.00 | troubled | feld: not sure what you mean. but initrd should have been auto updated to handle all the rootfs unlock on boot |
| 15:13.06 | Rideh | is there an easy way to modify dhcpd.conf to export a subnet with dns servers supplied from dhcp on another eth device? |
| 15:13.13 | troubled | huangfei: using screen? |
| 15:13.17 | stew | LjL: ifconfig %iface% %address% netmask %netmask% [[broadcast %broadcast%]] [[pointopoint %pointopoint%]] [[media %media%]] [[mtu %mtu%]] up |
| 15:13.25 | troubled | huangfei: try CTRL-a,CTRL-g |
| 15:13.28 | feld | see, I remember having issues on Ubuntu once and it required some weird workaround -- adding modules (aes, sha) to the initrd and some weird script |
| 15:13.45 | huangfei | troubled: yes, and my $PS1 not working property either |
| 15:13.48 | duh | troubled: the encryption is unlocked! the issue is that lvm setup afterward fails and my rootlv is in LVM |
| 15:13.50 | troubled | stew: asp programmer? ;) |
| 15:13.57 | feld | but on Sid I haven't had to do *anything*. No script, no cryptroot file, nothing, duh |
| 15:14.01 | troubled | huangfei: echo $PS1 says what? |
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| 15:14.12 | stew | troubled: no, that's ifupdown, which does some crazy stuff where the code is generated from the manpage |
| 15:14.16 | LjL | stew: but surely i wouldn't put "ifconfig" in interfaces? |
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| 15:14.31 | feld | duh: i remember the cryptroot file needing to have something in there about lvm |
| 15:14.32 | Rideh | what happens if i do not specify the option domain-name-servers in a subnet config within dhcpd.conf? does it use the servers from resolve.conf by default? |
| 15:14.33 | Y2K38 | troubled, LjL this is getting silly! |
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| 15:14.45 | stew | LjL: any static interfaces generate a call to ifconfig, and if there is a poitntopoint entry int he stanze it adds the pointopoint option to ifconfig |
| 15:14.45 | duh | feld: but you don't have one on your working system? |
| 15:14.47 | Y2K38 | troubled, LjL eth0 doesn't get IP from gw on dhclient |
| 15:14.52 | troubled | Y2K38: you do that pastebin? |
| 15:14.58 | Y2K38 | troubled, paste.debian.net/20243 |
| 15:15.00 | huangfei | troubled: the variable value is correct, but the color is not the same as before |
| 15:15.06 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats with realtek card |
| 15:15.15 | stew | LjL: up route add -net... works fine, personally i use 'ip' instead of route, but whatever... |
| 15:15.16 | Y2K38 | troubled, now i'll paste with intel card |
| 15:15.18 | LjL | Y2K38: uhm? sorry i'm not following you |
| 15:15.23 | troubled | huangfei: what $TERM is it using? is color diff or lacking? |
| 15:15.37 | Y2K38 | LjL, thats ok. thanks |
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| 15:16.17 | huangfei | troubled: the correct shell uses XTERM , when switched to SCREEN, it doesn't work any more |
| 15:16.31 | troubled | Y2K38: and eth0 is connected to what again? |
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| 15:16.37 | feld | duh: look 3/4 the way down this page and see if this looks familiar. perhaps Lenny needs these instructions, too. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto |
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| 15:16.56 | Y2K38 | troubled, sorry eth0 is connected to the gw on rj cable |
| 15:16.59 | feld | All I know is that on Sid and the latest Ubuntu release it "Just Works^TM" |
| 15:17.06 | huangfei | troubled: I used "tput setf 2" etc instead of the "\e[" stuff |
| 15:17.07 | troubled | Y2K38: rj cable? |
| 15:17.09 | Y2K38 | troubled, the same cable works fine with realtek gig card |
| 15:17.11 | Y2K38 | troubled, ethernet |
| 15:17.45 | troubled | Y2K38: some cable modems only allow so many mac's to grab an ip and can cause weird issues |
| 15:18.01 | troubled | Y2K38: best to verify eth0 by getting it to work on your lan switch first with dhcp |
| 15:18.05 | Y2K38 | troubled, its not cable its pppoe |
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| 15:18.39 | Y2K38 | troubled, ok. eth2 (realtek gige card) <-> cable <-> gw this settting works fine with dhclient eth2 |
| 15:18.48 | troubled | Y2K38: ah, sorry, what does you interface file look like? |
| 15:18.48 | duh | feld: and you are using LVM w/ encryption? |
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| 15:19.02 | Y2K38 | troubled, eth0 (b44 broadcome 100mb card) <-> cable <-> gw . this setting fails with dhclient eth0 |
| 15:19.05 | feld | duh: yes |
| 15:19.06 | troubled | Y2K38: cause ppp0e doesnt using dhclient here |
| 15:19.23 | Y2K38 | troubled, hrm? |
| 15:19.35 | troubled | Y2K38: I use http://paste.debian.net/20245/ |
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| 15:20.00 | troubled | Y2K38: but i use a bit of a hack. I bring up that eth manually with a stattic ip first before ppp |
| 15:20.06 | feld | duh: Hard drives -> mdadm/raid1 -> Luks encryption -> LVM (VolGroup00) -> /, /home, and swap on that encrypted LVM |
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| 15:20.19 | troubled | ls Y2K38 |
| 15:20.46 | Y2K38 | troubled, eth0 was assigned static ip. trying to ping gw, it'd fail with unreachability |
| 15:20.56 | troubled | Y2K38: hmm, not sure about .au isp's, but I know with bell canada's modems, they can be quirky if you don't login to it first and put in the login info once |
| 15:21.08 | Y2K38 | troubled, ifconfig eth0 a.b.c.d ---> fails with unreachability |
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| 15:21.20 | troubled | Y2K38: when you put in static ip, what does your route table look like? |
| 15:21.25 | Y2K38 | troubled, checking with route -n gives me exact same route from eth2 <-> gw and eth0 <-> gw |
| 15:21.27 | troubled | is that subnet going out eth0? |
| 15:21.33 | troubled | or is it trying the default gw? |
| 15:21.34 | Y2K38 | i told you troubled |
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| 15:22.20 | troubled | Y2K38: while you have eth0 configured, show me route -n output plz. I must not be understanding you right |
| 15:22.34 | huangfei | shell |
| 15:22.35 | Y2K38 | troubled, ok lemme do that and it'll be clear to you |
| 15:22.38 | duh | feld,troubled: i think this is related to an error i'm getting from update-initramfs, "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -" |
| 15:22.43 | troubled | Y2K38: if eth0 is using say 192.168.1.0/24, then that route should be going out eth0 in route -n |
| 15:22.47 | duh | feld: would you pastebin your /etc/crypttab file? |
| 15:22.53 | feld | duh: I used to get that too! |
| 15:22.55 | troubled | Y2K38: sorry, hard to follow all these chats sometimes :) |
| 15:23.04 | feld | it went away when I moved from Ubuntu -> debian SID |
| 15:23.23 | troubled | duh: what do you have in your crypttab? |
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| 15:23.26 | feld | but I have no idea what it means. I could never figure it out. googled for hours and nobody had a solution |
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| 15:23.49 | troubled | duh: it should be similar to "hda5_crypt /dev/hda5 none luks" |
| 15:23.59 | feld | someone once said it might have been the comment at the beginning of the file, but nonetheless everytime i update-initramfs I'd get it twice (have another encrypted raid, too) but it always worked |
| 15:24.00 | duh | troubled: cryptroot /dev/disk/by-id/.... none luks,lvm=newrootvg |
| 15:24.01 | Lagbolt | feld, i did my encryption similar to that. |
| 15:24.14 | troubled | duh: where hda5_crypt is the crypted version for the lvm using /dev/hda5 for me |
| 15:24.24 | Lagbolt | feld, i am trying to scroll back , what was initial problem? |
| 15:24.40 | duh | i can't boot a system migrated to lvm w/ encryption |
| 15:24.54 | Lagbolt | sorry not feld i mean duh i guess |
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| 15:24.59 | feld | Lagbolt: yeah, duh's having issues. unlocks but won't enable his LVM for some reason. |
| 15:25.29 | feld | I don't even use that lvm= line in crypttab anymore |
| 15:25.42 | feld | my last install with encryption was done by the debian installer instead of by hand, and it didn't put that there for me. |
| 15:25.56 | Lagbolt | yeah feld you shouldnt have to but when you migrate to it there is an issue |
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| 15:26.34 | Lagbolt | duh, when i migrated i had a similar problem, i had to add a bunch of stuff to my kernel line in grub. then managed to get initramfs to build properly so i didnt needto |
| 15:27.19 | duh | Lagbolt: i preserved /dev/sda1 (/boot) from my original install, and copied off all my data. i recreated sda2 w/ encryption & a new VG w/ same name as old... |
| 15:27.30 | troubled | duh: LV Name /dev/encrypted/rootfs |
| 15:27.45 | duh | that was it! i removed the header and reverted to a direct name and it just came up |
| 15:27.46 | troubled | duh: thats what my vgdisplay -v shows for my rootfs, if that helps |
| 15:27.52 | Lagbolt | duh, so you have a raid1 using mdadm then you luks encrypted, then put lvm? |
| 15:28.06 | duh | no, just straight partitions, no raid. single drive |
| 15:28.19 | duh | anyway, it appears it was related to the update-initramfs error messages |
| 15:28.30 | duh | i tried space & tab separation, removing the header, etc... |
| 15:28.36 | troubled | applauds duh |
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| 15:29.05 | Lagbolt | duh, so single drive. is it luk then lvm or lvm then luks |
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| 15:29.24 | duh | Lagbolt: luk then lvm |
| 15:29.24 | troubled | raid+lvm+luks is just asking for brain damage :) |
| 15:30.10 | duh | in fact, i was rather coy about this ]; |
| 15:30.11 | duh | ;] |
| 15:30.30 | duh | i dd'ed off my LV's from lvm, and then when i recreated new VG, i made same size LV's and dd'ed them back. |
| 15:30.51 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats ok. thanks for helping out :) |
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| 15:31.03 | troubled | Y2K38: get it working? |
| 15:31.07 | Y2K38 | troubled, 20246 and 20247 |
| 15:31.12 | Y2K38 | troubled, no :( |
| 15:31.31 | jaggz1 | what's good software to code in for portability? I coded something in perl but.. of course.. it's too difficult for non-techie coworkers of mine to install perl, and I think gcc and such to compile a few dependencies (bleh), etc. Another coworker coded their version of the project in java.. but it's so darned slow and takes up 10 times more resident memory (and 30 times more memory, otherwise).. I've not seen the code but.. it's |
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| 15:32.10 | Lagbolt | duh, dd'ed them eh. look i went thru some issues doing this and wrote a pretty detailed file for myself with all the pains i went thru to make it work |
| 15:32.24 | Lagbolt | i can send you the text file i made with my process and you can see how it compares to yours and your problem |
| 15:32.27 | jaggz1 | my software takes up about 6mb of ram while working (perl), while theirs takes 60mb resident.. mine takes 13 minutes to process this data while theirs has taken over an hour. |
| 15:32.36 | stew | jaggz1: if java is too slow, stick to c. most anything else will be slower than both c and java |
| 15:32.43 | duh | Lagbolt: its fixed. the cryptroot file wasn't being created due to a parse error in crypttab. |
| 15:32.49 | stew | jaggz1: oh, if the java is slower than the perl, then you should probably blame the java programmers |
| 15:32.52 | jaggz1 | yeah, but I'd have to code up GUI's for C.. and have it portable.. hmm |
| 15:32.53 | Lagbolt | duh, excellent |
| 15:32.59 | duh | Lagbolt: i thought i had to create cryptroot manually, that wasn't the case |
| 15:33.13 | troubled | Y2K38: in line 101 on 20247, it has an ip from ifup eth0, was that static? |
| 15:33.33 | Y2K38 | troubled, yes |
| 15:33.50 | troubled | Y2K38: have you setup your pppoe settings yet too now? |
| 15:33.53 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats static because dhclient eth0 wouldn't get me any ip at all |
| 15:33.55 | jaggz1 | hell, I could do that.. linux lets me code up windows apps too... oh, the issue is that mine reads a .csv (comma delimited spreadsheet), while theirs loads the original .xls. I found perl *does* have Excel modules for handling that too.. but if I try to code up a C app for doing that... ugh. |
| 15:34.01 | troubled | Y2K38: pppoe works on top of the eth0 in your case btw |
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| 15:34.19 | Y2K38 | troubled, ok so basically pppoeconf -a ? |
| 15:34.38 | troubled | Y2K38: I used static for my pppoe for my eth here without problems, but thats only cause I dont trust ma bell to not collide their dhcp with my lan ip's |
| 15:34.53 | troubled | Y2K38: not sure what the -a does, but sec |
| 15:35.02 | Y2K38 | troubled, heh. ok just hang on. i'll look that's ok. |
| 15:35.13 | Y2K38 | i'll investigate troubled if you are busy |
| 15:35.18 | troubled | Y2K38: look in /etc/ppp/ |
| 15:35.22 | Y2K38 | troubled, ok |
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| 15:35.53 | troubled | Y2K38: you need to actually setup ppp and put your login info in there, then have an /etc/netowkr/interfaces line like: http://paste.debian.net/20245/ |
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| 15:36.16 | troubled | Y2K38: then when you call "ifup dsl", it should start the pppoe client on top of the eth you have setup |
| 15:36.27 | troubled | until then, you aren't really on the internet |
| 15:36.42 | Y2K38 | troubled, let me do that |
| 15:36.58 | troubled | Y2K38: for dsl, you will also need to manually setup iptables to clamp to mss, or many sites like hotmail.com wont work |
| 15:37.10 | troubled | (mtu isnt 1500 for ppp) |
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| 15:39.57 | duh | thanks folks! feld, troubled, Lagbolt, you've been most helpful. |
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| 15:40.03 | troubled | lies! |
| 15:40.39 | troubled | I love when I get thanked when they solved the problem themself heh |
| 15:40.48 | Y2K38 | troubled, if the route -n shows exactly same for eth0 and eth2 why couldn't i ping the default gw on eth0? whereas it'd work on eth2 :/ |
| 15:41.08 | troubled | wraps his brain around the question |
| 15:41.10 | Lagbolt | troubled, well sometimes just having people to talk thru it with is all a person needs |
| 15:41.22 | LjL | stew: does this look reasonable (and self-contained) to you? http://pastebin.ca/1239713 i haven't tried it yet as any errors would result in me having to hook a keyboard and monitor to the server, which is annoying |
| 15:41.30 | jaggz1 | bash: ./check-processed-page-presence.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 15:41.35 | troubled | Y2K38: the route for eth0 and eth2 shouldnt be exact, or you got the subnets mixed up |
| 15:41.53 | Y2K38 | troubled, i don't run both eth0 and eth2 together. |
| 15:41.56 | troubled | Y2K38: if ethA is 192.168.1.0/24, then ethB needs to be 192.168.2.0/24, for example |
| 15:42.00 | Y2K38 | troubled, its only either one of them. |
| 15:42.12 | troubled | they should still be setup for diff subnets |
| 15:42.14 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats up at any given time |
| 15:42.24 | Lukemob | hi, is there anyone who think that Debian is buggy?? |
| 15:42.26 | Y2K38 | troubled, they are one box having 2 NICs |
| 15:42.41 | troubled | Y2K38: they should still be different subnets |
| 15:42.47 | Y2K38 | troubled, why? |
| 15:43.01 | troubled | Y2K38: bringing up the second nic would cause problems |
| 15:43.09 | troubled | by accident i mean |
| 15:43.21 | Y2K38 | troubled, no i said to you, only one NIC is operating at any given time :) |
| 15:43.34 | troubled | still bad practice :) |
| 15:43.35 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, no flies here |
| 15:43.56 | Y2K38 | troubled, you didn't answer my question :P |
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| 15:44.13 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, they said Debian is bad.. and Ubuntu dev had a lot to fix |
| 15:44.17 | Y2K38 | troubled, i was running with b44 but it didn't work so i tried with realtek which worked so i am confused a bit |
| 15:44.21 | Lukemob | noobs :/ |
| 15:44.31 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, who is they? |
| 15:44.31 | stew | LjL: in general it looks fine, but i'm not terribly familiar with bridging. i notice that you dont have the wireless or the bridge in the auto line, don't know if that is intentional. if i were to be nit-picky i'd say to move the iptables call from up to pre-up. |
| 15:44.33 | vedant | sensors is giving many alarms on this system, I wonder if the sensor is bad or something, or if I should try changing the power supply. http://pastebin.com/m36ba6b62 |
| 15:44.39 | Lukemob | several guys |
| 15:44.41 | troubled | Y2K38: which eth did you try first in the modem? |
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| 15:44.45 | Lukemob | you won't probably know him ;) |
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| 15:44.51 | Lukemob | him/them |
| 15:44.57 | troubled | Y2K38: what mac's modems remember, and how many they limit to is really up to the isp |
| 15:45.00 | Y2K38 | troubled, 1 adsl modem, 1 cable, 2 NICs |
| 15:45.18 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, well when ever people are referenced as "they" i find "they" have no credibility . . .from my experience |
| 15:45.22 | Y2K38 | troubled, 1 ethx is up at any given time |
| 15:45.23 | troubled | Y2K38: for example, I could say only remember the first mac and COMPLETLY ignore anything else, until power cycle |
| 15:45.28 | LjL | stew: oh, whoops, not having the wireless in auto was probably why it behaved weird in the first place :) |
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| 15:45.57 | troubled | Y2K38: so if you plugged in the eth2 first and got a dhcp ip, it may ignore eth0's requests until you power it off. but that usually doesn't happen. only anal isp's would do that |
| 15:46.18 | troubled | Y2K38: but even cable modem companies here do that kinda stuff, but usually giveyou 3 ip's instead of 1, which seems a little odd |
| 15:46.20 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, yesterday I was chatting with few friends, they said Debian is buggy.. I became to arguing with them, lol |
| 15:46.38 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, to be honest, I <3 Debian |
| 15:46.55 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, apt-get install new-friends :) |
| 15:46.59 | LjL | stew: is the setting of "manual" right as far as you can tell? or should i do "static" with no parameters? (according to the man, "manual" takes no options at all, so i couldn't even configure the wifi parameters... but then those aren't in man interfaces, to begin with) |
| 15:47.05 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, hehe :) |
| 15:47.10 | Y2K38 | troubled, i think i know what the problem is then. hang on a sec ;) |
| 15:47.13 | troubled | Y2K38: what im suggesting is that you try power off and reset your dsl modem for a minute and then plug it right into eth0 and try dhcp again |
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| 15:47.33 | troubled | Y2K38: also, which nic did your isp give you? they may have locked the modem to only work with that mac on you |
| 15:47.40 | Y2K38 | troubled, i did that in the beginning when i rebooted my box and modem togheter |
| 15:47.43 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, I'm using it few years.. and never had problem! they said they had problems, but when I asked which problems, they suddenly changed topic :) |
| 15:47.53 | troubled | Y2K38: you can test that theory by changing the eth0 mac to match the second one and try dhclient again |
| 15:47.54 | Y2K38 | troubled, i run my own modem |
| 15:48.12 | Y2K38 | troubled, hmm good idea :) yummy |
| 15:48.14 | Y2K38 | troubled, trying |
| 15:48.17 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, so, I just came here to ask if anyone here has same opinion as they |
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| 15:48.23 | troubled | Y2K38: well, they may let you login, but chances are your isp truely controls the lower level settings |
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| 15:48.46 | troubled | ive seen weird stuff on diff isp's before though so *shrug* |
| 15:48.51 | stew | LjL: hmm, i don't know |
| 15:48.57 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, this is a place for people who enjoy using debian and helping those who want to use is and need assistance. you wont find haters in here most likely |
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| 15:49.16 | Lukemob | yep sure.. okey ;) |
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| 15:49.21 | LjL | stew: oh well, i'll try with this setup... at any rate if just the wireless card won't connect, i still can ssh in. |
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| 15:49.36 | Petaris | Hello, where is the official debian edu channel? |
| 15:50.01 | troubled | Petaris: we'll educate you here :) |
| 15:50.06 | stew | Petaris: #debian-edu on irc.debian.org |
| 15:50.15 | Petaris | stew, thanks |
| 15:50.18 | stew | LjL: can you ssh in without the bridge up? |
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| 15:50.46 | LjL | stew: no, since the other interfaces aren't configured at all with the current interfaces i'm about to use |
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| 15:51.12 | proppy | Hi, is there a way to check reverse-recommends ? |
| 15:51.22 | stew | LjL: right, so, do you need to add the bridge to the auto line? |
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| 15:51.43 | LjL | stew: yes, i surely do, i've done that now. i had forgot. |
| 15:52.07 | vedant | Hi, I just installed debian on this system and ran sensors on it. It showed ALARM for most values. However, the computer had ran fine with Windows XP since many months. I am confused if the sensor is faulty or should I look into changing the power supply and see if it helps. Here is the output of sensors: http://pastebin.com/m36ba6b62 |
| 15:52.18 | troubled | proppy: you mean, list all packages that recommend packageX? |
| 15:52.39 | stew | proppy: aptitude search '~R:recommends:packagename' |
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| 15:52.49 | stew | proppy: aptitude search '~Rrecommends:packagename' |
| 15:52.52 | troubled | stew: damn, you're good :) |
| 15:53.05 | proppy | stew: troubled: thanks trying |
| 15:53.18 | troubled | its all stew there |
| 15:53.26 | proppy | (bottomline: I want to know why apt-get install devscripts install citadel-server) |
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| 15:53.39 | proppy | (now that install recommends seems to be default in lenny) |
| 15:53.41 | Lagbolt | vedant, well it looks like the values it shows are outside the values it has as min and max. not a pro at the sensors but i would think that what ever calibration it uses to determine the ranges is of |
| 15:53.43 | stew | proppy: you can also try "aptitude why citadel-server" |
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| 15:54.10 | Lagbolt | vedant, like 3vacc , the range is 3.89 to 3.94. that is obviously wrong while 3.33Vis probably acceptable operating value |
| 15:55.10 | proppy | stew: wow |
| 15:55.14 | troubled | stew: aptitude why, a new setting in lenny? |
| 15:55.15 | vedant | Hmm. So I guess it's a bug in lm-sensors? |
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| 15:56.03 | stew | troubled: hmm, it might be |
| 15:56.10 | Lagbolt | vedant, if you google "lm-sensors alarm" that will get you started. but i would suggest reading on their website |
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| 15:56.16 | troubled | stew: don't see it here in etch for aptitude help |
| 15:56.23 | proppy | stew: it seems that aptitude doesn't take recommends into account |
| 15:56.28 | Lagbolt | vedant, http://www.lm-sensors.org/ |
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| 15:56.34 | stew | proppy: it does |
| 15:56.35 | simNIX | hello - I forgot what base package to apt-get install to be able to compile source |
| 15:56.43 | simNIX | it was a bundel |
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| 15:56.59 | troubled | build-essential? |
| 15:57.03 | stew | simNIX: build-essential |
| 15:57.06 | vedant | Lagbolt: thanks. |
| 15:57.08 | simNIX | tnx - thats it |
| 15:57.13 | simNIX | :) |
| 15:57.38 | stew | simNIX: (and 'apt-get build-dep packagename' for the other build-dependencies) |
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| 15:58.42 | simNIX | tnx 4 info |
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| 15:59.57 | proppy | http://pokersource.pastebin.com/m42baf068 these are the package installed with apt-get install devscripts |
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| 16:01.21 | proppy | and those listed by aptitude why citadel-server |
| 16:01.22 | proppy | http://pokersource.pastebin.com/m153fc5e0 |
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| 16:01.49 | proppy | I've trouble figuring out why citadel-server get installed |
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| 16:02.30 | proppy | it seems there is a Recommends mail-transport-agent somewhere |
| 16:02.31 | troubled | citadel-mta Provides mail-transport-agent |
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| 16:02.41 | d-b | proppy: review your apt log |
| 16:02.42 | [Jasper] | hej guys, what happened to libapache2-mod-auth-mysql ? |
| 16:02.43 | troubled | proppy: install a diff mta then, like exim? |
| 16:02.53 | [Jasper] | did it get removed from etch? |
| 16:03.53 | stew | proppy: yes, if you explicitly select some other mail-transport-agent, it won't try to install citadel-mta |
| 16:04.04 | proppy | I see, |
| 16:04.26 | proppy | what I've done is set APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 16:04.40 | proppy | in apt.conf.d previously |
| 16:04.50 | stew | [Jasper]: it doesn't look like it was ever in etch: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mod-auth-mysql.html |
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| 16:04.59 | troubled | proppy: fcron Depends exim4 | mail-transport-agent (note, its "depends", not "recommends") |
| 16:05.00 | proppy | I was afraid of install citadel-server but maybe I shouldn't |
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| 16:05.07 | [Jasper] | it was stew |
| 16:05.13 | [Jasper] | I think it has been removed? |
| 16:05.41 | proppy | troubled: yep but devscripts doesn't recommends/depends upon fcron does it ? |
| 16:05.57 | stew | [Jasper]: oh, wait, the source pacakge name changed |
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| 16:06.42 | stew | [Jasper]: ahh, yes, it was removed from etch: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-auth-mysql/news/20061022T223912Z.html |
| 16:07.06 | stew | [Jasper]: (but this was when etch was testing, it was not in etch when etch was released) |
| 16:07.19 | stew | proppy: which mta do you want to use? |
| 16:07.34 | proppy | stew: I don't want to use any, I just want to build a package in a chroot |
| 16:07.38 | stew | proppy: if you just need to move the mail off the box to another host, you can use nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 16:07.45 | proppy | and that's why I installed devscripts |
| 16:08.18 | proppy | when I've seen it asked to install citadel-server, I thought that I should figure which package is triggering this install and maybe report it as a bug |
| 16:08.23 | stew | proppy: then yeah, install it without recommends |
| 16:08.39 | proppy | stew: thanks a lot for your guidance |
| 16:08.47 | troubled | proppy: you wanted logrotate, which neded a cron daemon, which depends on an mta. pretty simple really |
| 16:09.11 | stew | and devscripts recommends mailx |
| 16:09.18 | troubled | proppy: not sure what part of the dev script depends needs crontab though |
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| 16:09.40 | proppy | ah I understood, |
| 16:09.46 | proppy | thanks a lot troubled |
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| 16:10.04 | proppy | stew: installed nullmailer, and it doesn't install citadel-server anymore |
| 16:10.13 | proppy | why pulling the others recommends |
| 16:10.28 | troubled | perhaps they got marked for install? |
| 16:10.28 | proppy | should nullmailer be the default mta ? |
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| 16:10.43 | proppy | troubled: I'm happy to install the other recommends |
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| 16:10.59 | proppy | troubled: I just wanted to get rid of the groupware server |
| 16:11.08 | d-b | proppy: ..... is this lenny ? |
| 16:11.15 | proppy | d-b: yep |
| 16:11.30 | d-b | turn off recommends already rofl |
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| 16:12.10 | proppy | d-b: thanks for the tips, |
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| 16:12.27 | oskie | if i stop an md array currently building, and reboot, will it restart where it left off? |
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| 16:12.34 | proppy | motto:~# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99norecommends |
| 16:12.34 | proppy | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 16:12.43 | proppy | I thought other recommends might be usefull |
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| 16:13.56 | wiedenmann | I think that the kernel used in debian testing netinstall is to old to support my network card, I have found on the linux kernel driver database that its supporte in 2.6.27-rc5 but i dont know in which version it entered the kernel. What is the most recent kernel version for netinstall and how can i get it? |
| 16:14.09 | wiedenmann | What alternatives do i have to install debian testing? |
| 16:16.56 | LjL | stew: works like a charm (except i had forgot that i had an echo 1 for ip_forward, which i had to fix - sysctl.conf seems like a much better place for that though) |
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| 16:17.25 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:17.29 | stew | LjL: great |
| 16:17.39 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know if a packages was installed from lenny or from sid? |
| 16:18.30 | stew | wiedenmann: 2.6.26 is the latest kernel that is on a debian installer. you can try building a custom install cd if you need newer: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 16:19.14 | stew | gypsymauro: no, but "apt-cache policy packagename" or "apt-show-versions" would tell you which release(s) in your sources.list that version of the package is *currently* available from |
| 16:19.25 | wiedenmann | stew: I think the image debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinstall.iso that i used used 2.6.24, how can i get 2.6.26? |
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| 16:19.40 | stew | wiedenmann: by using a weekly or daily lenny installer |
| 16:19.54 | stew | (or wait for the lenny rc1 which is forthcoming) |
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| 16:21.32 | petemc | simNIX: gnome? its vino, a vnc server |
| 16:21.34 | stew | simNIX: what do you mean by "remote desktop option in deafault debian" ? |
| 16:21.39 | stew | ahh |
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| 16:22.04 | troubled | simNIX: start the listener and run netstat -al perhaps? |
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| 16:22.10 | wiedenmann | stew: thank you, i have missed the daily builds, i try with the daily build. |
| 16:22.31 | troubled | simNIX: actually, might wanna add -n to that as well |
| 16:22.53 | troubled | simNIX: to avoid sockets, you can also limit it to tcp and udp with -ut |
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| 16:23.36 | simNIX | under dektop menu theres remote desktop enabling |
| 16:23.50 | simNIX | ok - tnx 4 info |
| 16:24.06 | troubled | nothing can really hide from netstat short of a rootkit :) |
| 16:24.20 | troubled | if its listening on a socket, it will show |
| 16:25.05 | isBEKaml | pardon my ignorance, how will you detect a rootkit? |
| 16:25.30 | troubled | boot to a trusted source, verify the checksums generally |
| 16:26.02 | troubled | you would need to verify all bin/sbin stuff inaddition to the kernel and modules though |
| 16:26.17 | troubled | you init scripts as well |
| 16:26.41 | isBEKaml | that is, we run on all the backups that we took all this while until the suspicious circumstances? |
| 16:27.03 | troubled | isBEKaml: if you don't mind assuming that the backups are 100% clean/safe |
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| 16:27.28 | troubled | although, that doesn't take into account that the upstream sources from debian itself may have a rootkit installed |
| 16:27.41 | troubled | if thats the case, were all screwed :) |
| 16:27.46 | isBEKaml | and match the checksums? We can tell the suspicious situation from the logs? |
| 16:28.10 | troubled | isBEKaml: would depend on the rootkit really. it might clean the logs or not do anything that would be logged |
| 16:28.30 | troubled | once you get a rogue module into the kernel, its game over |
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| 16:28.42 | d-b | isBEKaml: if stuff starts playing up and you think you are owned. reboot to safe medium - hopefully grab memory before hand /dump memory |
| 16:28.46 | d-b | reboot |
| 16:28.47 | d-b | put the server up watch it |
| 16:28.53 | d-b | if you can... if not wipe it |
| 16:29.26 | isBEKaml | fsck wipe it, that's the best route? Not many would want that, right? |
| 16:29.54 | troubled | not unless you enjoy reinstalling :) |
| 16:30.16 | troubled | isBEKaml: if its a remote exploit to the kernel or a daemon, there may not even be any traces on the filesystem though |
| 16:30.20 | Y2K38 | troubled, doesn't debian maintainers check its rootkit free? |
| 16:30.26 | isBEKaml | rogue module into the kernel, hmmm.... I think we can safely rely on our developer/hackers to detect them... :) |
| 16:30.34 | Y2K38 | troubled, making some progress :P) |
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| 16:30.46 | troubled | ie: they may just exploit the service/kernel to get a shell every time they want to connect and leave it at that rather than install/modify stuff |
| 16:31.07 | troubled | isBEKaml: getting a process running in kernel mem is just as good as a perm rootkit imho |
| 16:31.18 | Y2K38 | i am pretty sure debian maintainers check to make sure packages are safe for all consumption |
| 16:31.19 | d-b | Y2K38: no troubled was suggesting they got a root kit into a debian package i take it. |
| 16:31.34 | Y2K38 | d-b, oh |
| 16:31.34 | d-b | Y2K38: as in gpg key is comprimised... |
| 16:31.39 | d-b | etcv. |
| 16:31.41 | troubled | isBEKaml: really, how often do you reboot a server? once a month avg? fine, just rehack in every month to regain control |
| 16:31.47 | Y2K38 | d-b, hrmm |
| 16:32.17 | isBEKaml | Reading all this, I don't envy the sysadmins anymore... :P |
| 16:32.21 | d-b | troubled: once a month is a bit much. |
| 16:32.21 | troubled | Y2K38: well, one would hope so :) but they can really only verify the integrity based on keys. if a dev inserted something malicious, it may go unnoticed |
| 16:32.27 | gypsymauro | tanx stew |
| 16:32.36 | d-b | Y2K38: it really only matters if it is internet facing. |
| 16:32.53 | troubled | d-b: I was thinking typical power outage worst case scenario. generally i would say servers stay up long as possible otherwise |
| 16:33.05 | Y2K38 | troubled, thats true but wouldn't maintainer atleast grep the source and atleast go through the packages like a real hacker? |
| 16:33.10 | Y2K38 | d-b: didn't get ya |
| 16:33.17 | stew | d-b: no, it matters even if it is not internet facing |
| 16:33.18 | troubled | Y2K38: mind you, if a debian dev inserted a rootkit into a daemon, their dev days would be over for life |
| 16:33.23 | Y2K38 | troubled, allz good :) working now dhclient was the bitch |
| 16:33.34 | isBEKaml | yeah, maintenance goes once in three months or so... internal audits, yada yada... :) |
| 16:33.36 | Y2K38 | troubled, i don't think debian maintainers would do that... |
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| 16:33.46 | Y2K38 | i mean unless theres reasonable doubt to do it |
| 16:33.52 | troubled | Y2K38: im sure the debian security team monitors patchs, but thats only gonna catch stuff that news, not old stuff unless they fully audit the source |
| 16:34.00 | d-b | stew: it depends. its up to the user to pick their own security practices. - a server not internet facing is less likely to need to reboot for a local account exploit. |
| 16:34.18 | Y2K38 | troubled, i agree totally |
| 16:34.55 | Y2K38 | troubled, or i should have said 'dhcp3-dhclient' package was the bitch :) |
| 16:34.59 | d-b | Y2K38: troubled was saying that some one - possibly some one who has comprimised a debian maintainers computer could upload a signed package to get it into debian.. etc. |
| 16:35.05 | troubled | Y2K38: what was the problem? |
| 16:35.16 | Y2K38 | troubled, basically it was reading old lease config |
| 16:35.23 | Y2K38 | troubled, tcpdump confirmed it ;) |
| 16:35.24 | troubled | ah |
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| 16:35.27 | Y2K38 | troubled, allz good now |
| 16:35.37 | troubled | forgot about old leases, sorry |
| 16:35.41 | Y2K38 | d-b, ohh thats a possiblity yeah.. def |
| 16:36.10 | Y2K38 | d-b, but i mean a maintainer would be someone whos smart enough to run iptables etc... protect their network wouldn't they? |
| 16:36.13 | Y2K38 | troubled, that's ok ;) |
| 16:36.47 | d-b | Y2K38: boxes get owned every day. there are over 400 debian devs i believe with access to the whole debian package system.... |
| 16:36.59 | Y2K38 | d-b, wow |
| 16:37.12 | Y2K38 | d-b, its pretty sad state of affair it would seem |
| 16:37.19 | d-b | Y2K38: no. |
| 16:37.31 | d-b | debian is good at monitoring all of this. |
| 16:37.42 | Y2K38 | d-b, that's good then atleast i am safe from rk |
| 16:37.42 | stew | d-b: there are many more people than that with upload privileges |
| 16:37.44 | Y2K38 | :D |
| 16:37.52 | Y2K38 | stew, are you kidding me? |
| 16:38.00 | stew | Y2K38: no |
| 16:38.01 | d-b | he is not. |
| 16:38.04 | Y2K38 | stew, shit |
| 16:38.08 | d-b | rofl. |
| 16:38.14 | d-b | Y2K38: relax. |
| 16:38.21 | meyou | are the uploads subject to moderation? |
| 16:38.21 | isBEKaml | now, if a debian dev were to insert a rootkit into the upstream like d-b suggested, and going by the nature of rootkit to be hardly detectable, wouldn't that be to the advantage of the prankster/rogue dev?? |
| 16:38.30 | Y2K38 | d-b, dude i don't want no rootkit.. cookies are good enough for me |
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| 16:38.34 | stew | Y2K38: there are somewhere around 1000 debian developers and there are debian-mantainers with privileges to upload certain packages |
| 16:38.41 | d-b | isBEKaml: no no n o no i said if some one else other than the debian devel... |
| 16:40.23 | isBEKaml | d-b: prankster/rogue |
| 16:40.24 | Y2K38 | stew, how many maintainers? i'd imagine as many packages there are == maintainers |
| 16:40.24 | d-b | to become a debian devloper / maintainer you have to go through several proccress and things. |
| 16:40.24 | Y2K38 | wtf ns |
| 16:40.24 | meyou | somebody hold me |
| 16:40.24 | Y2K38 | :/ |
| 16:40.24 | Y2K38 | holds meyou |
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| 16:40.24 | stew | Y2K38: do you mean package maintainers or people with the "debian maintainer" status? |
| 16:40.24 | d-b | the average joe doesn't become a debian maintainer overnight -its not possible. |
| 16:40.24 | Y2K38 | stew, package maintainers |
| 16:40.24 | dtcrshr | hi folks |
| 16:40.25 | Y2K38 | d-b, sure but package maintainers are volunteers right? |
| 16:40.25 | d-b | in any distro or software you have a similar setup. so don't being worried |
| 16:40.25 | dtcrshr | anyone suggests a good system monitor for gnome? |
| 16:40.28 | d-b | so don't be so worried8 |
| 16:40.31 | d-b | * |
| 16:40.34 | dtcrshr | the one that comes with the system its quite crappy |
| 16:40.52 | Y2K38 | d-b, i mean everyones volunteer but i'd imagine package maintainer would have upload priviledge and the whole of build system |
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| 16:41.52 | meyou | welcome back |
| 16:41.52 | stew | !dstats sid |
| 16:41.53 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 24556 packages, 1992 maintainers, 65870 MB installed size, 23171 MB compressed size. |
| 16:41.53 | Y2K38 | stew, 1992 |
| 16:41.53 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 16:41.53 | stew | Y2K38: ^^ 1992 different maintainers in sid. not all of those are allowed to upload |
| 16:41.53 | Y2K38 | stew, ahh i see |
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| 16:41.57 | stew | Y2K38: some of those are the same people with different email addresses. i have some pacakges as stew@vireo.org and some as stew@debian.org for instance |
| 16:42.15 | isBEKaml | d-b: I guess we are just stating possibilities, talking hypothetically... Sure, to be a debian devel/package maintainer involves a long drawn process of verification by countless other staff(read democratic), all this is done purely on a volunteer basis, right? |
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| 16:42.45 | Y2K38 | stew, right.. man i am a coder.. not maintainer... it was a pleasurable discussion :P) |
| 16:42.53 | Y2K38 | see ya guys around sometime soon again! |
| 16:42.56 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 16:43.01 | Y2K38 | byeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:43.01 | stew | isBEKaml: some people get paid for at least some of their work in debian (for instance a lot of DDs are canonical employees), but yes, its all volunteer. debian can't make anyone do work for debian |
| 16:43.13 | d-b | sure but. stew will point out that its hard and a length progress in becoming a debian maintainer / developer. |
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| 16:43.30 | meyou | i'd trust a volunteer more than an employee |
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| 16:44.33 | stew | the problem is not necessarily one of trusting the DD not to be mailicious, but also to not be lazy. a rootkit could get into the archive not only if the DD maliciously inserted it, but also if the DD didn't realize that someone maliciously inserted it into the upstream tarball. |
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| 16:45.26 | isBEKaml | hmmm, what started off with rootkit detection quickly moved into debian devel/maintainers.... Man, I have never had such a good discussion in all of my IRC experience...! ;) |
| 16:45.29 | d-b | or being overzelous and instead commenting out important lines of code |
| 16:45.41 | isBEKaml | stew: that quickly voids the DD contract!! |
| 16:46.37 | isBEKaml | d-b: I had heard of that happening... google search revealed some devels writing out comments in code to that effect!!! |
| 16:47.17 | d-b | isBEKaml: i was actually refering to libssl incident but ok. |
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| 16:48.19 | isBEKaml | d-b: libssl, I had heard of that before. Now, why am I thinking of SSH bug??? Or is that it? |
| 16:48.22 | wiedenmann | stew: thank you with your kernel help, it worked |
| 16:48.51 | isBEKaml | something about SSH being unsecure... |
| 16:48.55 | troubled | isBEKaml: iirc, the ssh bug was someone commenting out something to do with entropy/prng generation |
| 16:49.20 | troubled | end result was a preditable rng |
| 16:49.31 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 16:49.31 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:50.22 | stew | isBEKaml: no, that doens't void the 'DD contract' |
| 16:50.29 | isBEKaml | troubled: that's it, thanks! :) |
| 16:50.39 | troubled | isBEKaml: I think it would have to be something really intentional to get the boot |
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| 16:50.49 | troubled | accidents happen |
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| 16:51.28 | isBEKaml | stew: I see... |
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| 16:51.57 | troubled | stew: did you ever make dd status? |
| 16:52.06 | Hydroxide | troubled: yes he did. |
| 16:52.10 | troubled | assumes only dd's are allowed chanops here |
| 16:52.20 | isBEKaml | :D |
| 16:52.28 | Nightcrawler | Hey, i come from sweden XD |
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| 16:52.41 | troubled | hello Nightcrawler from sweden |
| 16:52.57 | Nightcrawler | Hello |
| 16:53.12 | stew | troubled: no, i've had chanops longer than dd |
| 16:53.30 | Nightcrawler | bye |
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| 16:53.45 | troubled | don/EE changed that policy regarding chanops a while back no? |
| 16:54.00 | troubled | not that ive ever bothered to ask for chanop though |
| 16:54.06 | petemc | was greycat ever a dd? |
| 16:54.17 | petemc | i dont think so, and he was the channel owner |
| 16:54.37 | troubled | he's not the channel owner anymore is he? |
| 16:54.44 | petemc | not since the fable |
| 16:54.51 | petemc | i think |
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| 16:55.17 | troubled | ya, chanserv says its EE now, but I havent seen him in ages |
| 16:55.59 | troubled | I for one, welcome dondelelcaro as our new overlord :) |
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| 16:57.28 | lleksah | is there a "/proc/ksyms" on debian : | ? |
| 16:57.31 | h725 | is there something special to do to get packet injection working with lenny amd64 and iwl4965? |
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| 16:58.45 | jelly | lleksah: there's /proc/kallsyms on mine |
| 16:59.05 | lleksah | yes i just found it too, i guess it's the same thing. |
| 16:59.17 | jelly | !wayttd lleksah |
| 16:59.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lleksah? |
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| 16:59.35 | lleksah | list all the kernel symbols |
| 17:00.04 | lleksah | especially functions called by lkms |
| 17:01.37 | jelly | lleksah: and that's all, you're not going to do anything with them? |
| 17:01.53 | lleksah | no lol |
| 17:01.59 | jelly | okay then. |
| 17:02.13 | troubled | jelly: can't people just be allowed to snoop around their kernel? ;) |
| 17:02.17 | lleksah | what could you do with them ? |
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| 17:02.54 | troubled | helpful for debugging if you know the address of the func's no? |
| 17:02.56 | jelly | I don't know, that's why I asked. |
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| 17:03.31 | troubled | might aide in exploiting a kernel too wouldnt it? |
| 17:03.46 | lleksah | yeah could |
| 17:03.58 | jelly | it might, but that's not a topic for #debian |
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| 17:04.19 | isBEKaml | or maybe you run an strace/dtrace on the syscalls, you nned to know what exactly are called and the locations of the memory exploited... useful for debugging the binaries.... |
| 17:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, so jelly was suggesting that discussion about Debian/package maintaining/etc is offtopic here? |
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| 17:04.38 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: no. |
| 17:05.02 | jelly | except the "etc" part, that I agree with. |
| 17:05.37 | lleksah | isn't there a kind of "ksyms" command as well ? |
| 17:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't understand what you were after - the only other thing discussed up there was the debian-specific ssh/ssl bug |
| 17:06.26 | Y2K38 | a question: guys why does tcpdump need to put an interface to promiscuous mode ? i mean whats the need? |
| 17:06.39 | troubled | isBEKaml: trace is limited to root though. and if they got root, strace would be rather moot |
| 17:06.59 | Y2K38 | troubled, any idea? |
| 17:07.01 | troubled | Y2K38: you don't need it in promisc |
| 17:07.05 | stew | Y2K38: otherwise the tcpdump will only see packets destined for that interface |
| 17:07.07 | troubled | you can specific -p |
| 17:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, else it can only catch the packets that go to this ip... everything else is dropped before it reaches userspace |
| 17:07.21 | Y2K38 | stew, ahhh |
| 17:07.23 | stew | not ip, but nic |
| 17:07.25 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, the context for my last ot invkoing line was <troubled> might aide in exploiting a kernel too wouldnt it? |
| 17:07.26 | Y2K38 | troubled, yup saw that options |
| 17:07.37 | troubled | Y2K38: generally, people are on a switch, in witch case, you wont see other stuff anyways (unlessyou got a switch with port mirroring) |
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| 17:08.06 | isBEKaml | troubled: I thought most of the traces on calls are as normal user. Anyway, I stand corrected. :) |
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| 17:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, no, I meant the !offtopic invocation before that :)... oh well |
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| 17:08.45 | Y2K38 | troubled, stew, CutMeOwnThroat guys i just cat /proc/kmsg on my busybox router and my usb module (avalanche_usb) was under promiscuous mode. what does that mean? |
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| 17:09.05 | Y2K38 | does that mean it was being logged? |
| 17:09.07 | troubled | isBEKaml: maybe not strace, but the other traces |
| 17:09.18 | Y2K38 | to a flash device or something? |
| 17:09.20 | troubled | isBEKaml: it is I that stand corrected :) |
| 17:09.23 | Y2K38 | its getting scarier |
| 17:09.28 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 17:09.35 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, that was about rootkit detection and the long rehashed ssl bug |
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| 17:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but thinking about that malicious/lazy maintainer line - it's hard to think that within ~2000 maintainers there is not a single malicious (let alone "stupid") one |
| 17:10.14 | Y2K38 | troubled, stew CutMeOwnThroat i just removed the avalanche_usb module and cat /proc/kmsg tells me <6>device usb0 left promiscuous mode |
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| 17:10.29 | Y2K38 | wtf is that? |
| 17:10.38 | isBEKaml | troubled: A few days ago, I was running dtrace on an OpenSolaris box, thought we can run traces as normal user from that. :) |
| 17:10.42 | Y2K38 | i am going to the cops tomorrow morning |
| 17:11.01 | d-b | Y2K38: ...? |
| 17:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, take care they don't just shoot you ... to save some paperwork |
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| 17:11.23 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, this is insane man.. |
| 17:11.31 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, i have the log don't worry |
| 17:11.33 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 17:11.36 | troubled | isBEKaml: I know you can run strace as a normal user, but I dont see how that could help much |
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| 17:11.58 | troubled | isBEKaml: access controls still restrict you from doing any real harm |
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| 17:12.04 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: [crazy DD] "risk management" |
| 17:12.45 | Y2K38 | some nutter it seems is running the show |
| 17:12.49 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, for the less popular stuff, but I think the really important things like the kernel, apache, ssh etc. are very well watched |
| 17:12.51 | Y2K38 | time to teach some lesson |
| 17:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, not sure about this usb-thingie... but more generally speaking, there are a couple of programs/packages that put devices into promiscous mode.. tcpdump, as you said, I think ntop, .... if you'd installed one of them they might do it automatically when being started from inet.d |
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| 17:13.05 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: they did catch the ssh bug after all :) |
| 17:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | troubled, yeah... after 3 years, wasn't it? |
| 17:13.25 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, but its an elcheapo router running busybox man |
| 17:13.31 | isBEKaml | troubled: Not sure, will check on that later. :) |
| 17:14.08 | troubled | isBEKaml: look up capabilities |
| 17:14.15 | Y2K38 | d-b, i just rmmod'ed avalanche_usb on my busybox router and it seems it was in promiscuous mode. |
| 17:14.21 | troubled | thats what really governs what you can do as root/user |
| 17:14.23 | Y2K38 | d-b, <6>device usb0 left promiscuous mode |
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| 17:14.41 | Y2K38 | d-b, that was in /proc/kmsg |
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| 17:14.58 | Y2K38 | d-b, <4>USB: Entering USB_cleanup_module. |
| 17:14.59 | Y2K38 | <6>br0: port 2(usb0) entering disabled state |
| 17:14.59 | Y2K38 | <6>device usb0 left promiscuous mode |
| 17:15.02 | Y2K38 | oops sorry guys |
| 17:15.03 | largos | is it possible to ban a set of packages from ever being installed? (irregardless of version?) |
| 17:15.05 | troubled | isBEKaml: just removing all root's capabilities pretty much makes it a normal user |
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| 17:15.32 | troubled | isBEKaml: although, even then, root owns all the files which pretty much means he can edit anything anyways |
| 17:16.19 | troubled | well, owns all the bin/sbin/system stuff, not user files |
| 17:16.22 | pacroon | I have a Thinkpad X40 with an Atheros wireless card. It's been working fine with my Apple Airport AP until I upgraded from stable to unstable. Now it is unable to see or connect to the Airport AP. It sees other ESSIDs fine, and my other machines can connect to the AP fine. Any idea what to do? |
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| 17:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... going from this one could say "we know we're compromized, we just don't know where" |
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| 17:17.42 | d-b | CutMeOwnThroat: ah no. |
| 17:17.48 | troubled | well, sorta |
| 17:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but perhaps I'm just too cynic - afterall things *would* come out at some time - and that has happened to an astonishingly smaller degree than these thoughts suggest :) |
| 17:18.10 | troubled | they might notice a rogue process running, but not know how it got in there until they look at the traffic logs etc |
| 17:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I'm still at the crazy-maintainer thingy) |
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| 17:19.26 | troubled | in the case of ssh, they may have noticed "hey, someone just guessed our ssh key!" and caused an ssh audit |
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| 17:20.11 | d-b | troubled: bit hard unless you turn on logging of failed certs logins... |
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| 17:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, well, look in dmesg or /var/log/messages when/why it entered promisc mode |
| 17:20.22 | d-b | (not there by default) |
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| 17:21.09 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, it wouldn't tell me. its running on low mem.. for all i know when i sat there with cat /proc/kmsg, it just deleted the old events |
| 17:21.15 | isBEKaml | troubled: strace as normal user. :) |
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| 17:21.22 | chomwitt | hi. trying to reboot in lenny before starting x my monitor goes to (entering sleep mode) and then (no video input)! |
| 17:21.22 | troubled | it wouldnt be a failed login if they found the weakness and figured out the private key to login with. it would still generate a sucessful login even |
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| 17:21.27 | d-b | Y2K38: its not easy to do that tho. |
| 17:21.29 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, openwrt has exactly the same log so my paranoia level is kinda going down again :P) |
| 17:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | troubled, well, if you suppose there's a mallicious upstream programmer, I think it'd be even too much to ask that the package maintiner sniffs him out... |
| 17:21.52 | Y2K38 | d-b, yeah |
| 17:22.10 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, d-b http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/AddonTech/ARM8100 |
| 17:22.16 | Y2K38 | it seems they do it for a purpose |
| 17:22.21 | Y2K38 | rather than for sniffing only |
| 17:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, openwrt? - and remember: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out there to get you!" |
| 17:22.32 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: in some cases, the upstream dev may also be the maintainer |
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| 17:22.35 | lleksah | does someone know the difference between System.map and /proc/kallsyms ? |
| 17:22.47 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, :P) |
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| 17:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | troubled, evil... then you got a malicious upstream who can push it right in :) |
| 17:23.01 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, but as long as my box is healthy and my router itself. i am cool |
| 17:23.07 | troubled | lleksah: I think the kernel docs talk in detail about debugging panics that go over what all the files do and how to parse them |
| 17:23.24 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, but it would likely only be for small projects |
| 17:23.58 | isBEKaml | troubled: It's good to be paranoid sometimes...! :D And, don't take anything for granted!!! |
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| 17:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, well - it's going to promiscuous mode when starting to be a bridge - that isn't so surprising, now is it? |
| 17:24.11 | troubled | isBEKaml: paranoia is a must for security imho |
| 17:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | troubled, well... do you care if your box has a backdoor from a small or a big project? :-P |
| 17:24.31 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, hrm as in when brctrl starts |
| 17:24.35 | isBEKaml | troubled: yes... |
| 17:24.43 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, sometimes i get paranoid man.. |
| 17:24.49 | Y2K38 | :D |
| 17:24.52 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: nobody wants any sort of backdoor of course |
| 17:25.09 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, not because i am doing something wrong but just i guess mentally...... |
| 17:25.12 | troubled | CutMeOwnThroat: im just saying its less likely as the number of dev's in the package increases |
| 17:25.29 | d-b | thinks debian has gone ultra paranoid. |
| 17:25.40 | Y2K38 | needs some treatment.. gulps large soda in 5 secs! |
| 17:25.40 | troubled | hopes so |
| 17:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... then they either have to be *all* malicious, or one malicious and the others don't care |
| 17:25.55 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 17:25.56 | d-b | ok the number of devs and maintainers isn't a problem it is a good thing - so long as they are trustworthy and are of quality. |
| 17:25.57 | troubled | another problem like ssh could really hurt the reputation of debian more than it already did |
| 17:26.15 | Y2K38 | oh i heard abt that |
| 17:26.26 | isBEKaml | Paranoid!! that reminds me of ParanoidLInux. :) http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/10/04/1812226.shtml |
| 17:26.38 | Y2K38 | some openssl debian maintainer wasn't too much careful i suppose |
| 17:26.38 | troubled | isBEKaml: or openbsd :) |
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| 17:26.50 | d-b | the openssl bug was a mistake. so what get over it. it wasn't that bad vs what has happened elsewhere. |
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| 17:26.57 | Y2K38 | troubled, i ran freebsd long time ago.. gave up soon after :P) |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 17:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | d-b, hehe, but this is of course impossible - look at democracy... what an effort to select a single (wo)man - and what's the result? - now consider how much less effort it is possible to put into selecting maintainers... |
| 17:27.06 | Y2K38 | hi abrotman ! |
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| 17:27.13 | Y2K38 | isBEKaml, :P) |
| 17:27.30 | d-b | please do continue to point there it is useful. |
| 17:27.31 | troubled | Y2K38: I think with ssh part of the problem was that even the people that may have looked over the patch, werent cryptanalysts and really didnt understand the consequences of disabling rng generation |
| 17:27.56 | troubled | AbortRet1yFail: just waiting for real questions :) |
| 17:27.56 | Y2K38 | troubled, yeah fuckups happen i suppose... |
| 17:27.59 | troubled | abrotman: ^^ |
| 17:28.12 | Y2K38 | and every coder must be given a chance in his/her lifetime |
| 17:28.17 | abrotman | troubled: that doesn't really make it okay ... |
| 17:28.25 | Y2K38 | abrotman, :P) |
| 17:28.34 | troubled | abrotman: gives us something to do while we wait ;) |
| 17:28.46 | isBEKaml | troubled: didn't understand the consequences of disabling rng?? Can't believe it...! |
| 17:28.54 | abrotman | go to #debian-offtopic and chat .. while you wait |
| 17:29.08 | Y2K38 | abrotman, i hide already :P) |
| 17:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're just doing what Chanserv suggests |
| 17:29.14 | Y2K38 | is hiding |
| 17:29.25 | |ntegra| | :P |
| 17:29.29 | Y2K38 | :P) |
| 17:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're discussing Debian |
| 17:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 17:29.56 | troubled | shall we continue in debian-ot? |
| 17:29.59 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, so dude brctrl was creating a bridge and hence it needs to put eth0 to promisc ? |
| 17:30.10 | Y2K38 | when we stopped, i saw no one chatting |
| 17:30.18 | Y2K38 | so i suppose we continue huh? |
| 17:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Y2K38, probably - I'm not sure if bridges run in userspace or can be done kernel-only |
| 17:30.44 | troubled | i dont mind chatting in -ot, but tbh, I wont be helping here while we do since I cant stand switching windows constantly |
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| 17:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the latter case it shouldn't need to set promisc... |
| 17:31.11 | troubled | its not like were talking about the weather... |
| 17:31.13 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, ahh.. thanks for pointing out though. :P) i am relieved a bit |
| 17:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but who can argue with it, if it does |
| 17:31.17 | Y2K38 | gulps soda |
| 17:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | troubled, well, abrotman doesn't want you to answer questions here, then ;) |
| 17:32.00 | isBEKaml | OT, guys? |
| 17:32.01 | troubled | :) |
| 17:32.06 | troubled | sure |
| 17:33.07 | jpinx | what's the easiest way to copy my nice, working etchnhalf onto several other HDD's? |
| 17:33.12 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, it seems other boards do that as well -> http://www.beyondlogic.org/nb5/ADAM2_bootloader.htm |
| 17:33.16 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, similar to mine |
| 17:33.29 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, put the whole bloody interfaces to promisc that last one |
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| 17:34.33 | jpinx | wonders if he needs to ask in #debian-offtopic..... |
| 17:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, it's not *surprising* for a bridge... |
| 17:34.39 | peleg | what does the capital A next to the lowercase i (for "installed") in aptitude means? |
| 17:35.05 | Y2K38 | CutMeOwnThroat, :P) |
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| 17:36.06 | peleg | it's not written in the help screen that appears after pressing "?" |
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| 17:36.34 | abrotman | jpinx: you can use 'dd' .. but that implies they're the same size |
| 17:36.50 | abrotman | jpinx: you could also tar/untar on each one |
| 17:36.51 | peleg | also: is there a way to search for a certain file name in debian's packages repositories? |
| 17:36.58 | abrotman | !tell peleg about search |
| 17:37.08 | peleg | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | was automatically installed and will be removed when nothing depends â |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | on it. |
| 17:37.34 | AvK | MSG <Busshunter> <hi, what's up in Sweden> |
| 17:37.39 | AvK | sorry |
| 17:37.47 | abrotman | peleg: like that "A" there? |
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| 17:38.29 | peleg | abrotman: didn't understand your question. I'm trying to understand what does this "A" mean.. |
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| 17:38.48 | abrotman | peleg: and see what i pasted |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | right after your "thanks" |
| 17:39.03 | simonrvn | he just said what i means |
| 17:39.06 | simonrvn | it |
| 17:39.11 | peleg | abrotman: oh, right... ;-) thanks again, then |
| 17:39.34 | abrotman | peleg: and that was in the "?"/help screen |
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| 17:41.23 | Muzer | which package contains top? |
| 17:41.42 | Muzer | nvm, found it |
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| 17:41.47 | abrotman | !tell Muzer about search |
| 17:41.51 | glapp | i want to try debian on vmware:http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/#ubuntu8.04 . whoch debian image do you recommend i choose? i use it for personal use + professional programming |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | !d-i glapp |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | glapp, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:42.46 | jpinx | abrotman: Not the same size HDD's. What about the boot area - grub, etc |
| 17:42.46 | peleg | abrotman: it's not. it's written after the entry "M", maybe, but I don't have an entry "A" |
| 17:43.20 | abrotman | peleg: on lenny i have it |
| 17:43.32 | peleg | abrotman: I think I have etch ;-) |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | jpinx: everything on one partition |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:43.45 | glapp | i want to use it on nmware, which of those should i then choose? |
| 17:43.51 | glapp | abrotman ^^ |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | the netinst should be fine |
| 17:44.01 | jpinx | abrotman: no |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | jpinx: i mean on the new HDDs |
| 17:44.47 | jpinx | abrotman: could be if that's best/easiest |
| 17:45.49 | abrotman | jpinx: you can tar up the paritioins you need to copy over as needed |
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| 17:46.17 | abrotman | or apt-cache search install image |
| 17:46.24 | jpinx | abrotman - ok - I'll try that - thanks |
| 17:46.26 | abrotman | or something like that .. i'm sure tehre are tools to do that |
| 17:46.53 | FR33L4NC3 | how do i configure samba te get read/write acces |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | ask #samba or read docs at samba.org |
| 17:47.35 | FR33L4NC3 | ok |
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| 17:51.34 | daniel-san | how "debian" is pronounced? tia |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | deb-ian |
| 17:51.49 | abrotman | like the names |
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| 17:51.59 | daniel-san | ah, ok |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | wonders what that sounds like in italian .. |
| 17:52.44 | daniel-san | it's not prononuced that way :) |
| 17:53.04 | daniel-san | 'cause we don't know how to pronounce the name "ian" |
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| 17:53.20 | jaggz1 | hey, this is offtopic, css, but I'm desperate and in a rush... why does font-weight:bold pass into my <li>data (the data becomes bold as well as the li-number), but color: doesn't pass from the li {} rule? |
| 17:53.23 | daniel-san | we pronounce in a different way |
| 17:53.28 | Lagbolt | daniel-san, like eeeeeee-an |
| 17:53.40 | Lagbolt | but not so many e's |
| 17:53.42 | nubbun | glapp: I recommend Lenny which is 'Testing' currently and is well on the way to becomming 'Stable'. Leave space for another root partition on which you run the next 'Testing' version. Then use 'Testing' normally unless something is broken so that you need to use 'Stable/Lenny' |
| 17:53.44 | mhymn | or deb-yan? |
| 17:53.47 | daniel-san | yes :) not so many 'e' |
| 17:53.52 | smacnay | anyone have troubles building lirc-modules-source with a 2.6.26*.deb kernel, using m-a a-i lirc? My build failed. |
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| 17:54.01 | daniel-san | deb-yan yes |
| 17:54.03 | Lagbolt | mhymn, sure if y makes the sound i think it does |
| 17:54.20 | stew | jaggz1: ask #web |
| 17:54.25 | d0uglas | hi, is there such thing as an encrypted ftp server that would be supported by most clients? like ftps:// ? |
| 17:54.32 | daniel-san | is there a way to hear prononunciation? |
| 17:55.32 | Lagbolt | smacnay, works for me |
| 17:55.32 | smacnay | Lagbolt: are there extra dependencies to install? |
| 17:55.33 | abrotman | daniel-san: http://forvo.com/word/debian/ |
| 17:55.57 | Lagbolt | smacnay, mod assist should bring in what it needs |
| 17:56.07 | jaggz1 | thanks |
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| 17:56.10 | cads | in general, is there any way to know if files have become corrupt? Some kind of backup scheme which saves checksums of your files and allows you to detect when data has been changed unintentionally, and perhaps even correct it? |
| 17:56.33 | Lagbolt | smacnay, what is the error |
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| 17:58.18 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I get a bunch of errors around lirc_dev.c |
| 17:58.20 | abrotman | daniel-san: does that help ? |
| 17:58.32 | daniel-san | abrotman, but the pronunciation is in english or american? |
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| 17:58.53 | Lagbolt | smacnay, can you pastebin your dpkg -l | grep linux-image and dpkg -l | grep lirc |
| 17:59.07 | Lagbolt | i want to see versions |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | daniel-san: AFAIK, it's the same in .uk english and .us english |
| 17:59.25 | daniel-san | abrotman, it sounds the same way as we italians would say that |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | daniel-san: guess you're in luck :) |
| 17:59.40 | daniel-san | :) |
| 17:59.46 | daniel-san | ok, bye |
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| 18:00.18 | smacnay | Lagbolt: sure |
| 18:00.36 | jamon | cads: checkout tripwire |
| 18:00.39 | vtokarev | hi, does anyone know what the plans are with Xorg7.4 for unstable? (it's currently in experimental only) |
| 18:00.43 | glapp | i want to run on vmware |
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| 18:04.24 | jamon | glapp: for any particular reason? it isn't Free |
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| 18:05.27 | glapp | jamon: vmware player is free as in beer at least |
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| 18:05.43 | glapp | im not experienced enough to partition etc |
| 18:05.52 | jamon | virtual box gpl is free in both senses, check it out |
| 18:05.58 | glapp | plus donkey-vista dont let you make real partitions anyway i think |
| 18:06.08 | abrotman | glapp: use the netinst |
| 18:07.36 | nubbun | Compiling GCC version 4.3.2 using GCC version Debian 4.3.2-1 on Lenny fails. That seems quite wrong to me, but I don't know who else cares or what to do about it. |
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| 18:08.35 | smacnay | Lagbolt: ok, let me paste to pastebin.ca |
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| 18:09.56 | jamon | nubbun: could be gcc4.3.2 needs a newer libc6 than lenny's |
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| 18:10.55 | ringo999 | how do i configure xorg in lenny, in etch i would issue "dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg"... |
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| 18:11.21 | ringo999 | but now it doesnt ask for graphic properties anymore |
| 18:11.22 | nubbun | The compilation failure is multiple definition at link time. and The version in lenny is 4.3.2 , so Lenny must have the right LibC. |
| 18:12.17 | jpinx | when a 2nd HDD gives an i/o error - is there anything I can do to recover it? |
| 18:12.47 | smacnay | Lagbolt: hmm, cannot submit post to pastebin.ca... linux image is 2.6.26-1 9 (a .deb) and lirc is 0.8.3-3 |
| 18:12.54 | nubbun | jpinx: dd_rescue to good drive. Then work recovery on good drive. |
| 18:13.15 | smacnay | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1239839 |
| 18:13.27 | nubbun | jpinx: Is it only parts or everything? |
| 18:13.41 | nubbun | jpinx: or as of yet unknown? |
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| 18:14.10 | jpinx | nubbun: not known |
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| 18:14.46 | jpinx | nubbun: fsck /dev/hdc1 gave me -- fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) -- e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) -- fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdc1 |
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| 18:15.06 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I will be hovering around here.... let me know if there is something you see. I will pastebin the ouput of the failed install as well. |
| 18:15.14 | nubbun | if you have a destination drive, I'd try booting in a rescue mode and then doing the dd_rescue then the e2fsck. |
| 18:16.36 | jpinx | nubbun: the data is not important - I need the drive |
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| 18:18.53 | format_c | ringo999, nice question I use to edit xorg.conf directly |
| 18:19.06 | cads | thanks jamon |
| 18:19.10 | ringo999 | format_c: mmmm... |
| 18:19.23 | format_c | ringo999, what is the problem? |
| 18:19.34 | dtcrshr | id rather be drinking |
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| 18:20.39 | Neaai | What's a quick and dirty way to remove the first character and the last character from a file? I have a file with a single line that has entries separated by comas, but before the first entry there's a coma, and also after the last entry there's a coma. as in: ,2,5,7,23, |
| 18:20.40 | Neaai | ? |
| 18:20.48 | dtcrshr | trim |
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| 18:21.24 | abrotman | cut |
| 18:21.31 | Lagbolt | smacnay, can you post the error log? |
| 18:21.47 | smacnay | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1239848 |
| 18:21.51 | ringo999 | format_c: i upgraded from etch to lenny, now startx doesnt work anymore, trying to reconfigure the graphical setup menu does not include the setup for the graphic driver anymore, vesa seems to fail... |
| 18:21.56 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I added the error log to the bottom. |
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| 18:22.17 | ma3x | does anybody know how to copy this cdrom? i get the following errors: http://paste.debian.net/20258/ note:it's a copyrighted cd |
| 18:22.18 | ringo999 | format_c: of course I can edit directly, but I'm not that firm with xorg |
| 18:22.20 | Lagbolt | i have lirc -2 and kernel -4 on the machine i use as opposed to your -3 and -8 but i dont think that would be significant |
| 18:22.52 | ringo999 | format_c: i just reinstalled xfce4, now it works ;-) |
| 18:22.55 | ringo999 | weird |
| 18:23.05 | format_c | Xorg should give you a error message that tell you what the problem might be. Does it claim the video driver? |
| 18:23.14 | format_c | mhh |
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| 18:23.21 | format_c | of course |
| 18:23.29 | Linuturk | where is the bandwagon? I need to jump on |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | !d-i Linuturk |
| 18:23.50 | dpkg | Linuturk, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:23.54 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:23.54 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 18:23.58 | abrotman | Linuturk: have fun! |
| 18:24.16 | Lagbolt | smacnay, you do have the headers installed right? |
| 18:24.16 | Linuturk | hugglez abrotman |
| 18:24.41 | ma3x | why do i get these errors when i dd if=/dev/hda of=cd.iso? http://paste.debian.net/20258/ |
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| 18:24.58 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I believe so - the linux-image-headers? Yes.... I needed them to compile and install the nvidia module with m-a. |
| 18:25.21 | cahoot | audiocd? |
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| 18:26.27 | Lagbolt | smacnay, i have to run out of lab for a minute. i will look a lil more when i get back in a few minutes |
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| 18:26.44 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I am using the image-2.6.26-i386 and not the k7 but both the image and headers match (neither is k7) |
| 18:26.49 | smacnay | Lagbolt: thanks |
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| 18:31.38 | Neaai | abrotman: if cut removes the first char of the line with: "cut -b 2-" how can I do something similar to remove the very last character ? |
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| 18:32.19 | ma3x | how do i copy udf cd? |
| 18:32.33 | abrotman | ma3x: why are we going to help you pirate software? |
| 18:32.57 | ma3x | abrotman: i'm not gonna pirate it, just wanna have a copy for me |
| 18:32.59 | abrotman | Neaai: it looks like you could substitute the number of chars in the file? |
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| 18:33.11 | abrotman | ma3x: according to that publisher, the same thing |
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| 18:33.58 | ma3x | abrotman: alright just tell me how to make iso image out of udf filesystem |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | ma3x: why are we going to help you pirate software? |
| 18:34.21 | ma3x | i told you im not gonna pirate it |
| 18:34.25 | Neaai | abrotman: What do you mean ? |
| 18:34.26 | ma3x | just make an iso for myself |
| 18:34.39 | ma3x | i want to make iso out of it alright? |
| 18:34.44 | ma3x | im not gonna put it on the piratebay or anything |
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| 18:34.46 | ma3x | or sell it |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | ma3x: take it up with the people you bought it from |
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| 18:35.08 | entaro | ma3x want to be a commynist and share everything among everyone |
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| 18:35.24 | ma3x | entaro: shut up |
| 18:35.28 | entaro | especially software |
| 18:35.34 | ma3x | abrotman: you aint helpin? |
| 18:35.42 | ma3x | alright, i dont need your help |
| 18:35.42 | abrotman | ma3x: take it up with the people you bought it from |
| 18:35.47 | ma3x | yeah |
| 18:35.47 | entaro | lulz |
| 18:37.00 | abrotman | Neaai: you should be able to use `wc -m` to get it .. i might ask #bash .. they might have something simpler |
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| 18:37.51 | Neaai | abrotman: ah I see. Thanks for that, completely forgot about wordcount |
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| 18:40.23 | Lagbolt | smacnay, i just built them against my kern with no errors. what command are you using? |
| 18:40.48 | smacnay | Lagbolt: m-a prepare lirc - then - m-a a-i lirc |
| 18:42.01 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I am wondering if dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source will help |
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| 18:42.16 | Lagbolt | smacnay, possibly |
| 18:42.44 | smacnay | Lagbolt: not even sure of what options I want there. |
| 18:42.46 | n3kl | stew: what was the regex substition on that guy's file yesterday to get replace te ^M in the files? |
| 18:43.11 | stew | n3kl: s/\r// ? ('/msg dpkg dos2unix' should have some options) |
| 18:43.16 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I saw an error in my build log stating that I needed to run make oldconfig and make prepare in the linux dir. Needed or not> |
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| 18:43.30 | n3kl | stew: cool, thanks! |
| 18:43.38 | Lagbolt | smacnay, yeah i saw that error. shouldnt be an issue with packages. what drivers did you select to build? |
| 18:43.45 | stew | n3kl: oh i guess they moved to crlf->unix |
| 18:43.57 | smacnay | Lagbolt: all but the parallel |
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| 18:44.16 | smacnay | Lagbolt: not sure which are needed for my hauppauge ir thingy |
| 18:44.52 | Lagbolt | smacnay, did you read /usr/share/doc/lirc-module-source/Readme.Debian? |
| 18:44.59 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 18:45.11 | smacnay | Lagbolt: no... maybe I should now... :) |
| 18:45.14 | Lagbolt | smacnay, it talks about headers |
| 18:45.18 | Lagbolt | and what is missing for some of the drivers |
| 18:45.32 | Lagbolt | smacnay, when you configure the source it tells you to read that |
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| 18:46.18 | Lagbolt | maybe try building it without the gpio and see what happens |
| 18:46.52 | stoned | Hello my good people |
| 18:47.31 | Lagbolt | stoned, what about the nongood people |
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| 18:48.32 | mhymn | #hell ? |
| 18:48.58 | mhymn | or #ubuntu ? |
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| 18:49.31 | smacnay | Lagbolt: well, I dpkg-reconfigure for "other", then run m-a a-i lirc, and get the error. |
| 18:49.44 | Lagbolt | other |
| 18:49.48 | Lagbolt | what is other? |
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| 18:50.32 | d0uglas | hi. I had proftpd working fine, thought i'd try ftpd-ssl, couldn't do much with it so I put vsftpd back on and now, even after making sure the conf file looked good, when i try to start it, I get 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket ... nmapping myself the port is open, doesn't send any data when i telnet to it, no idea why it's open. pls advise |
| 18:50.35 | smacnay | Lagbolt: "other" is the chipset to configure for. |
| 18:50.59 | smacnay | Lagbolt: "standard" |
| 18:51.34 | d0uglas | by proftpd i meant vsftpd |
| 18:52.01 | Lagbolt | smacnay, where do you see other and standard? if you do dpkg-reconfigure on the source i see atiusb bt829 etc etc |
| 18:52.02 | asg | !open ports |
| 18:52.02 | dpkg | methinks open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
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| 18:52.10 | asg | d0uglas: ^^ find what's using it |
| 18:52.17 | d0uglas | how, with netstat? |
| 18:52.34 | smacnay | Lagbolt: next step gives me "standard" and some specific chip or type. I choose standard. |
| 18:52.49 | Lagbolt | ah must be related to one of the other chipsets |
| 18:52.53 | smacnay | Lagbolt: then I get an option on the next screen and select other |
| 18:52.59 | Lagbolt | smacnay, just for fun try compiling with only the atiusb |
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| 18:54.09 | smacnay | Lagbolt: no - still the same error |
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| 18:54.14 | d0uglas | asg: hmm,.. just installed proftpd (which removed vsftpd) which worked, went back to vsftpd and now it's working. Huh. well okay good |
| 18:54.17 | d0uglas | thank you |
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| 18:55.21 | Lagbolt | smacnay, with only the atiusb? and exactly the same error? |
| 18:56.15 | erlehmann | hi. my brothor jist installed debian testing and has no direct rendering (though his machine has an i965 graca) |
| 18:56.38 | smacnay | Lagbolt: yes, all the error lines at the end of my paste are the same. |
| 18:56.49 | erlehmann | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't seem to ask for the driver, is that right ? |
| 18:57.30 | Saz|Laptop | how do i see what configure flags a deb package has |
| 18:57.41 | Eulex | erlehmann, it's autodetected nowadays. you might want to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 18:58.07 | erlehmann | Eulex: we did that verbose thingy. it dells us a lib is missing |
| 18:58.22 | Lagbolt | smacnay, can you send that pastebin again |
| 18:58.26 | Eulex | erlehmann, which one? |
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| 18:58.40 | Eulex | erlehmann, and what's the exact error? |
| 18:58.47 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I wonder if my gcc version has something to do with it. |
| 18:58.54 | Lagbolt | smacnay, what version you got |
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| 18:59.03 | erlehmann | Eulex: dunno. he'll be back in approx 15 min., i'll ask him then |
| 18:59.05 | smacnay | Lagbolt: using 4.3.2 |
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| 19:00.01 | Lagbolt | i have that installed as well |
| 19:00.57 | smacnay | Lagbolt: dpkg-reconfigure works fine - it is the m-a a-i that gives me errors. |
| 19:01.12 | TonyRad | Alright, I'm goin nuts here... My debian box still won't resolve hostnames on the outside world. I checked /etc/resolv.conf and I've got nameserver for my router and for opendns. I can resolve on my internal network but not the outside world.. Help? |
| 19:01.30 | Lagbolt | smacnay, i understand that. can you pastebin your /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf |
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| 19:03.42 | Saz|Laptop | is it considered kosher to edit the debian rules file for a source package? |
| 19:03.55 | Saz|Laptop | I'd like to add some custom configure flags |
| 19:04.03 | TonyRad | My debian box still won't resolve hostnames on the outside world. I checked /etc/resolv.conf and I've got nameserver for my router and for opendns. I can resolve on my internal network but not the outside world.. Help? |
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| 19:04.26 | Lagbolt | smacnay, hmm i just built it with all but parallel and no probs |
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| 19:05.12 | smacnay | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1239881 - the bottom has the conf file |
| 19:05.33 | smacnay | Lagbolt: with just ati and i2c |
| 19:05.56 | Lagbolt | smacnay, and you are running the 26 kernel now? the headers are matched as well |
| 19:06.12 | smacnay | Lagbolt: yes |
| 19:06.23 | disgrntld | I tried asking in #gnome and got nothing, this is the next most on-topic room I could find.. |
| 19:06.25 | disgrntld | Does anyone know how the Evolution that comes with Debian Lenny (2.22.3.1) can write to my Google Calendar? The native Google Calendar support in Evolution is read only so I tried to use CalDAV but Evolution reformats any URL I type to use the caldav:// protocol (Google Calendar's CalDAV address is standard https://). |
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| 19:07.09 | smacnay | Lagbolt: bizarre |
| 19:07.54 | Lagbolt | smacnay, does /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build/include/linux/autoconf.h exsit? |
| 19:08.16 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I have a deb image and corresponding headers, and have already compiled the nvidia kernel stuff with m-a |
| 19:08.19 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I will look |
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| 19:09.17 | smacnay | Lagbolt: it is there |
| 19:09.32 | stoned | Lagbolt, no hello to the non-good people |
| 19:09.37 | stoned | only good people |
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| 19:10.32 | smacnay | Lagbolt: maybe I need to run "make oldconfig" and "make prepare" on the linux source.... that is the only help I get from the log file |
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| 19:11.12 | smacnay | Lagbolt: not sure what else that will do to my system. |
| 19:11.30 | Lagbolt | smacnay, you are not using linux source, you are compiling against a packaged kernel right? |
| 19:11.42 | smacnay | Lagbolt: yes |
| 19:11.57 | smacnay | Lagbolt: the kernel and headers were installed as .deb files |
| 19:12.06 | smacnay | Lagbolt: all automated and easy |
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| 19:12.14 | stoned | smacnay, you know abotu the kp/kp mantra kernel-package make-kpkg |
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| 19:15.18 | larcen_ | hi all |
| 19:15.49 | Lagbolt | smacnay, read this? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg551064.html |
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| 19:18.45 | enouf | smacnay: m-a a-i gives you issues, break it down, and you certainly don't need any 'make' commands |
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| 19:21.14 | enouf | prepare, build, install |
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| 19:22.46 | erlehmann | Eulex: it is /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so which is missing |
| 19:23.12 | enouf | smacnay: and if you have source, and built your kernel from that you don't use -headers |
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| 19:23.27 | erlehmann | Eulex: alas, it is unable to load the driver |
| 19:23.40 | smacnay | Lagbolt: no, I did not build this kernel from source |
| 19:23.49 | enouf | i'm not Lagbolt |
| 19:23.57 | enouf | oh |
| 19:24.02 | Eulex | erlehmann, is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 19:24.07 | enouf | sowwy - you were answering him |
| 19:24.14 | Linuturk | what's the easiest way to install everything I need to compile a program? |
| 19:24.21 | enouf | and -glx |
| 19:24.22 | smacnay | Lagbolt: I will try the make-kpkg approach |
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| 19:24.28 | Lagbolt | Linuturk, install build-essenctial |
| 19:24.33 | Lagbolt | oops cant spell |
| 19:24.34 | enouf | litlebuda: build-essential build-dep |
| 19:24.49 | erlehmann | Linuturk: ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 19:24.57 | enouf | neither can i - haha - mistab |
| 19:24.59 | Linuturk | thx Lagbolt :) |
| 19:25.01 | erlehmann | Eulex: it is not installed. commencing installing ? |
| 19:25.06 | Linuturk | and enouf |
| 19:25.32 | enouf | Linuturk: you need the build-dep of any pkg, so that means -dev pkgs |
| 19:25.46 | Eulex | erlehmann, yes. it contains the file in question. |
| 19:25.48 | Linuturk | enouf, I'm installing vmware server |
| 19:25.58 | enouf | Linuturk: which are headers needed for whatever you're building |
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| 19:26.10 | enouf | installing != building ;-) |
| 19:26.10 | erlehmann | Eulex: shouldn't we contact tha maintainer about that the n? |
| 19:26.37 | funzl | hi all! i'm searching for the program 'dh_make', but can't find any packet it is in... any ideas? |
| 19:26.47 | enouf | funzl: devscripts |
| 19:26.51 | enouf | likely |
| 19:27.14 | Linuturk | hugglez screen |
| 19:27.22 | Eulex | erlehmann, contact the maintainer about what? |
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| 19:27.42 | enouf | hrm - debhelper: |
| 19:27.50 | lfamorim | Somebody send me plx /bin/find file? |
| 19:28.07 | lfamorim | I don't have permission to access this =( |
| 19:28.11 | erlehmann | Eulex: about the assumption that installing the xserver-xorg-driver-whatnot package misses a dependency or suggestion ? |
| 19:28.24 | erlehmann | or am i doing it wrong ? |
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| 19:29.19 | enouf | funzl: er, in the dh_make pkg -> dh-make: usr/bin/dh_make |
| 19:29.24 | lfamorim | Please !=) |
| 19:29.26 | Eulex | erlehmann, can you give us the exact command you're running and the exact error you're retrieving? |
| 19:30.28 | enouf | erlehmann: did you not install the xorg metapackage? |
| 19:30.39 | funzl | enouf: it isn't in the official repositories, is it? |
| 19:31.07 | erlehmann | Eulex: it works now. but we were starting from an incomplete install apparently. |
| 19:31.15 | erlehmann | xorg is not installed. |
| 19:31.19 | erlehmann | STOP |
| 19:31.22 | erlehmann | it is |
| 19:31.25 | enouf | funzl: sure is |
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| 19:31.32 | enouf | !tell funzl -about pdo |
| 19:31.36 | enouf | !tell funzl -about search |
| 19:31.59 | enouf | erlehmann: tourettes? |
| 19:32.08 | erlehmann | no, just being distracted |
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| 19:32.23 | enouf | oh, ok ;-) |
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| 19:33.40 | enouf | erlehmann: are you on etch using a .26 backported kernel? |
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| 19:34.20 | funzl | enouf: thx :) |
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| 19:34.54 | erlehmann | enouf: we are on a fairly recent lenny |
| 19:35.04 | smacnay | Lagbolt: trying to run make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux to make the modules - I cannot. Maybe there is something that didn't get set with my kernel when it was installed> |
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| 19:37.09 | psutton | hello |
| 19:37.30 | psutton | i am trying to compile the nvidia drivers on lenny but it says I am using the wrong version of gcc |
| 19:37.47 | psutton | compiler to compile kernel = 4.1 current gcc = 4.2 |
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| 19:37.49 | psutton | compiler to compile kernel = 4.1 current gcc = 4.3 |
| 19:37.50 | enouf | smacnay: are you trying to build out-of-tree modules? |
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| 19:38.08 | psutton | nvidia kernel driver module as per installation program |
| 19:38.19 | smacnay | enouf: trying to build the current lirc-modules-source (.deb) in a 2.6.26-1 .deb kernel |
| 19:38.23 | enouf | erlehmann: you do know the 915resolution pkg has been removed from Lenny? no longer needed, i think |
| 19:38.41 | psutton | how do i do that |
| 19:38.46 | erlehmann | enouf: i know |
| 19:38.49 | psutton | i think i am using 2.6.18 kernel |
| 19:38.51 | psutton | not .26 |
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| 19:39.01 | psutton | for some reason it didn't upgrade my kernel when I upgraded to lenny |
| 19:39.13 | enouf | psutton: you could alter your /usr/bin/gcc symlnk temporarily |
| 19:39.19 | enouf | what? |
| 19:39.23 | psutton | ok |
| 19:39.27 | enouf | upgrade your kernel |
| 19:39.28 | psutton | how would i do that |
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| 19:40.01 | Linuturk | why don't I have the command killall ? |
| 19:40.04 | enouf | apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image ; install one that matches |
| 19:40.07 | psutton | i have tried to apt-get install a new kernel but its not letting me do that |
| 19:40.08 | Linuturk | debian etch |
| 19:40.14 | enouf | Linuturk: install it |
| 19:40.18 | psutton | linux image |
| 19:40.32 | enouf | Linuturk: psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
| 19:40.41 | enouf | !tell Linuturk -about search |
| 19:40.42 | psutton | if I do that first then do the nvidia thing it will save me messing around having to reinstll the nvidia stuff later i guess |
| 19:41.14 | smacnay | Lagbolt: got it - there was an older copy of "lirc" in /usr/src/modules which was being processed - it finally worked |
| 19:41.55 | Linuturk | thx enouf. that's weird. I've never not had killall isntalled ;p |
| 19:42.32 | psutton | do i need the 686 kernel for a duron 1600 |
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| 19:42.52 | rc1985 | hi! |
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| 19:43.18 | abrotman | psutton: need, no, but it should work |
| 19:43.31 | rc1985 | need help to see if my cronjob is correct. it has only this line: 40 17 * * * /root/./sphinxindex > /home/ricardo/smth |
| 19:43.49 | rc1985 | this is root crontab -e |
| 19:43.59 | psutton | ok |
| 19:44.07 | psutton | it seems to think its already installed |
| 19:44.20 | sandman | Why does it seem that VServer is such a great solution |
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| 19:44.36 | sandman | What a vexing question, yes? =) |
| 19:44.38 | rc1985 | the script is working. |
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| 19:45.11 | Neaai | In a crontab line like this: 4,34,2,12 * * * * /bin/upme.sh do the numbers representing minutes have to be sorted, or crontab can properly interpret them ? |
| 19:45.24 | psutton | ah is linux headers the source code |
| 19:45.32 | psutton | or the actual pre-compiled kernel |
| 19:45.39 | abrotman | headers are ... headers |
| 19:45.46 | psutton | ok |
| 19:45.56 | psutton | which means |
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| 19:46.27 | psutton | hasn't compiled a kernel for a good few years |
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| 19:47.24 | abrotman | !tell psutton about nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:48.09 | mhymn | which is changed! |
| 19:48.23 | psutton | ok back to the symlink thing i take it i type ln -s gcc 4.1 |
| 19:48.41 | psutton | ok back to the symlink thing i take it i type ln -s gcc gcc-4.1 |
| 19:48.54 | psutton | so it points to 4.1 not 4.3 |
| 19:49.24 | stew | psutton: you shouldn't be touching that symlink. if you need a makefile to use gcc-4.1, then "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" |
| 19:49.39 | psutton | ok |
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| 19:49.55 | psutton | i need to get the nvidia insttaller to use gcc 4.1 not 4.3 |
| 19:50.18 | rc1985 | well, i have to go now. or else, i will lose my bus. |
| 19:50.21 | rc1985 | take care folks |
| 19:50.36 | psutton | so i do export=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 then do export=/usr/bin/gcc/4.3 to put it back |
| 19:50.39 | psutton | as it was |
| 19:51.27 | mhymn | psutton: why not installing it in the debian way? |
| 19:51.39 | mhymn | i mean nvidia |
| 19:51.57 | psutton | i am following instructions for lenny |
| 19:52.00 | psutton | or do you mean apt-get |
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| 19:52.10 | psutton | i am not sure if its in the repository |
| 19:52.37 | mhymn | try not using the bloated nvidia.com drivers |
| 19:52.43 | psutton | k |
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| 19:52.55 | psutton | i am currently stuck with 800x600 resolution with out em |
| 19:53.10 | `Sgt` | ./xbt_tracker: error while loading shared libraries: libmisc.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.11 | `Sgt` | sgt:/usr/local/bin# |
| 19:53.20 | mhymn | psutton: and then there is 177.80 in expermiental |
| 19:53.23 | `Sgt` | where can i get libmisc? |
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| 19:54.46 | cahoot | sgt you installed some package 'by hand' ? |
| 19:55.02 | psutton | i need 96.43.xx series to work with a mx4000 geforce 4 |
| 19:55.10 | `Sgt` | correct |
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| 19:56.06 | cahoot | sgt so the problem is hardly debianrelated? |
| 19:57.11 | psutton | ok i now get out of range on my monitor when doing startx |
| 19:57.21 | `Sgt` | the problem is that i ahve libtools installed |
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| 19:57.32 | `Sgt` | andyet its not finding it? |
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| 19:58.04 | stoned | nvidia binary drivers are not supported here. Please consult with #nvidia |
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| 19:58.24 | psutton | i changed the wrong line in xorg for default depth |
| 19:58.54 | psutton | so i changed default from 24 to 16 and its working at a better resolution |
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| 19:59.24 | abrotman | `Sgt`: ldd might help |
| 20:00.14 | `Sgt` | erm, whats ldd :S |
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| 20:01.52 | Linuturk | hugglez debian |
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| 20:04.29 | lfaraone | Hey, I'm running etch, and I apt-get upgraded to a new kernel, and am getting a scary "Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" screen. |
| 20:04.47 | lfaraone | it ends with " I can not stress that too much. You need to reboot soon. ". This is not the first time this has happened. |
| 20:04.54 | lfaraone | Do I really have to reboot, and why? |
| 20:04.59 | abrotman | lfaraone: because you installed a new kernel |
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| 20:05.29 | klync | how can i view the pre/post install scripts in a .deb file? i tried `dpkg-deb -x pkg`, but i don't see any of these scripts |
| 20:05.52 | abrotman | klync: before you install them ? |
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| 20:06.18 | abrotman | ar x foo.deb .. then tar -zxf the control.tar.gz |
| 20:06.29 | klync | abrotman: yeah, i want to install a simple pkg from lenny (just a perl script and a conf file) over etch, but i want to make sure it's not going to do anything unexpected before i run `dpkg -i` |
| 20:06.44 | doublehp | how can root mount an ext volume so that everybody can read and write it ? |
| 20:06.50 | lfaraone | abrotman: " You are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as the version you are currently running (version 2.6.18-6-686)." |
| 20:06.59 | lfaraone | abrotman: (was displayed earlier in the message) |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | right .. it's a security update |
| 20:07.20 | abrotman | !tell lfaraone about dsa |
| 20:07.41 | klync | doublehp: check the permissions on the mountpoint while it's unmounted... in fstab, the defaults should work |
| 20:07.55 | klync | doublehp: or, do you mean you want to force-override the permissions on the volume? |
| 20:08.58 | lfaraone | abrotman: Ok, I really cannot reboot right now. How critical is this? (this message appeared last time I updated a month ago) |
| 20:09.17 | abrotman | lfaraone: just don't try to load new modules? |
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| 20:10.08 | doublehp | klync: yes, force override :) default is, ext is only writable by root ... i just tried chmod, and, it works. chmod is persistent even on the root of a volume, not only subdirs. |
| 20:10.24 | doublehp | so simple, but, i expected it would no persist after unmount/remount |
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| 20:10.57 | klync | doublehp: heh... so, problem solved? last time i looked, the perms on the mountpoint could gum-up the perms after mounting |
| 20:11.07 | klync | ... but that was a long time ago |
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| 20:12.14 | doublehp | klync: i am telling about ext ! all other "non linux native FS" have an UID= feature ... especially because "they dont remember this". |
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| 20:13.59 | lfaraone | abrotman: ah, so it should continue to run until then? |
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| 20:14.33 | abrotman | lfaraone: it should be mostly okay, but i'd reboot ASAP |
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| 20:15.18 | sondre | how can my son on his windows vista laptop print on my usb-printer installed on my ubuntu hardy desktop? We are both behuin the same router and have the same network |
| 20:15.28 | lfaraone | sondre: ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:15.43 | klync | sondre: install samba, export the printer, but, yeah... #ubuntu |
| 20:16.46 | sondre | this is stupid If I have ubuntu or debian etch it's the same answer |
| 20:17.04 | n3kl | sondre: but this is not ubuntu |
| 20:17.36 | jordan_ | can someone help me with the wireless drivers? |
| 20:17.49 | cahoot | sondre: you can also look up a solution on linuxprinting.org |
| 20:18.03 | n3kl | jordan_: what wireless card is it? |
| 20:18.25 | jordan_ | rt2500pci |
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| 20:18.51 | cahoot | sondre: windows can access cupsprinters directly |
| 20:19.10 | n3kl | jordan_: whats wrong with it? |
| 20:19.28 | jordan_ | can't get it to work |
| 20:19.34 | jordan_ | like my download speeds are 30kbps |
| 20:19.38 | jordan_ | max |
| 20:19.44 | n3kl | jordan_: so it works |
| 20:19.47 | n3kl | slowly |
| 20:20.03 | jordan_ | uhh, if im getting 30kbps on wireless it obviously doesn't |
| 20:20.31 | n3kl | perhaps you could start with how you installed it and what you have troubleshot? |
| 20:20.52 | jordan_ | well i did lsmod and it says its there already |
| 20:20.56 | jordan_ | I |
| 20:21.03 | jordan_ | I'm not sure what to do now |
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| 20:21.32 | n3kl | jordan_: try http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 20:21.59 | klync | jordan_: does iwconfig give you any indication of the problem? like, poor signal quality, or it's switched to "b" mode? |
| 20:22.22 | klync | jordan_: also, any errors in dmesg? |
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| 20:23.06 | n3kl | jordan_: how did the module get installed? |
| 20:23.29 | n3kl | guess its included now? |
| 20:23.37 | jordan_ | wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Sugarbush" |
| 20:23.37 | jordan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.37 | jordan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.37 | jordan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.37 | jordan_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.43 | jordan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.44 | n3kl | if its included in the kernel by default, why is there also a source package? |
| 20:24.12 | klync | jordan_: "does iwconfig give you any indication..." is not the same as 'please dump the output to the channel" |
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| 20:24.29 | jordan_ | I get 48/100 signal when on windows I get 90% |
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| 20:24.37 | jordan_ | I'm like right next to my router |
| 20:24.57 | lfaraone | Is enabling backports a security risk? |
| 20:25.16 | klync | jordan_: try setting rate=auto before bringing the interface up |
| 20:25.45 | n3kl | jordan_: what kind of wireless security are you using/ |
| 20:25.47 | enouf | psutton: i've used the 96xx-legacy drivers on this mx400 geforce nv11 |
| 20:25.54 | jordan_ | wep |
| 20:26.07 | enouf | psutton: i followed the debian wiki for nvidia - worked the treat |
| 20:26.16 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:27.23 | enouf | psutton: you should upgrade your kernel to the Lenny one, if you are indeed running Lenny, and remove all that you did using nvidia, look in /usr/src/ |
| 20:27.24 | n3kl | enouf: hey, so has lenny/nvidia issue been worked out then? |
| 20:27.41 | enouf | n3kl: i did it prior to that ;-) |
| 20:27.47 | enouf | n3kl: i'm on sid ;-) |
| 20:27.53 | enouf | well - a mix |
| 20:27.56 | n3kl | enouf: ah |
| 20:27.59 | MafProd | .quit |
| 20:28.07 | klync | can anyone point me to how i can view the pre/post install scripts inside a .deb file? |
| 20:28.14 | n3kl | enouf: lenny still has to use the sid sources to build, tho, yea? |
| 20:28.16 | enouf | n3kl: but yeah - i heard the Lenny nvidia thing is pretty much resolved? |
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| 20:28.23 | n3kl | Ah |
| 20:28.27 | enouf | i don't know the specifics |
| 20:28.36 | n3kl | coo coo |
| 20:28.40 | enouf | just that the nvidia lenny factoids disappeared :-P |
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| 20:29.23 | n3kl | !nvida_lenny |
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| 20:30.25 | n3kl | meh |
| 20:31.10 | n3kl | well, it looks like module-assistant builds it now, so cool |
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| 20:31.25 | loxley_ | klync: dpkg -x |
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| 20:32.09 | klync | loxley_: ok, so if i run that and all i get are /etc and /usr dirs, that means there are no pre- or post-install actions? |
| 20:32.10 | enouf | !listvals nvidia lenny |
| 20:32.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia lenny' by value returned no results. |
| 20:32.26 | enouf | erm, i should've used keys, but whatever |
| 20:32.32 | n3kl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.44 | enouf | oh, you just misspelled it |
| 20:32.59 | enouf | !listkeys nvidia_lenny |
| 20:33.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia_lenny' by key (1): nvidia_lenny. |
| 20:33.04 | n3kl | yeah, I suck |
| 20:33.31 | n3kl | neat |
| 20:33.33 | enouf | well, there used to be "nvidia lenny1 , nvidia lenny2" and such |
| 20:33.47 | enouf | maybe it had a _ in them |
| 20:33.51 | n3kl | looks like all the info is up on the wiki page |
| 20:34.01 | enouf | n3kl: \o/ |
| 20:35.54 | loxley_ | klync: ohh.. ar -x i think it is |
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| 20:36.38 | loxley_ | klync: then its in the control file |
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| 20:38.46 | klync | loxley_: k, thanks |
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| 20:40.04 | Sebboh | Can I get information about my physical ram at runtime? Like, type, speed, etc? I'd like to buy more just like what I have. |
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| 20:40.24 | Sebboh | and I don't want to shutdown the PC right now. :) |
| 20:40.36 | mhymn | tell Sebboh about what's my hardware |
| 20:40.43 | mhymn | !tell Sebboh about what's my hardware |
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| 20:45.00 | Sebboh | thank you. d'oh, rebooting is the right choice, though. Faster! |
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| 21:01.54 | hellues | hey |
| 21:02.14 | hellues | i have a mp4 files and its sub titles |
| 21:02.28 | hellues | are there a some software that works this correctly |
| 21:02.45 | hellues | i mean i am not watching filmwith subtitles |
| 21:02.55 | Gabriel_ | have u tried vlc |
| 21:03.01 | hellues | vlc |
| 21:03.07 | hellues | doesnt open mp4 files |
| 21:03.20 | Gabriel_ | ? |
| 21:03.42 | hellues | there are volume but no view |
| 21:03.45 | mhymn | mplayer |
| 21:03.55 | hellues | i guess vlc doesnt have mp4 library |
| 21:04.17 | hellues | smplayer is same with player ? |
| 21:04.56 | hellues | no subtitlle |
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| 21:07.50 | mhymn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.22 | pozic | When I copy a directory via Nautilus from one machine to another, an executable file is not executable anymore on the other machine. How can I avoid that? |
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| 21:15.18 | enouf | !tell mhymn -about myram |
| 21:15.22 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 21:15.39 | enouf | !factinfo myram |
| 21:15.39 | dpkg | myram -- last modified at Sun Mar 2 12:14:32 2008 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 14 times, last by enouf, 21s ago. |
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| 21:16.50 | mhymn | enouf: roger that ;) |
| 21:16.59 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 21:17.45 | ricosecada | How does a normal user (not root) start gdm/kdm if it has been shutdown? |
| 21:18.56 | n3kl | Is it recomended to chroot an apache server? |
| 21:19.20 | binary | ricosecada: why can't you start it as root? |
| 21:19.38 | ricosecada | because it is not root who is login into x |
| 21:19.48 | rektide | gdm can only be run as root |
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| 21:20.02 | binary | ricosecada: gdm allows you to login as any user |
| 21:20.07 | rektide | these programs require root privledges, otherwise they could not let other useres login |
| 21:20.07 | binary | ricosecada: but GDM must be started as root |
| 21:20.14 | enouf | mhymn: oh babay - i just added to myram - try it now, and run the command i appended ;-) |
| 21:20.30 | binary | ricosecada: if you just want to login to X |
| 21:20.35 | binary | you can just type startx |
| 21:20.50 | enouf | mhymn: i also added "Ask me about <myram>" to the 'whats my hardware' factoid ;-) |
| 21:20.55 | ricosecada | never mind |
| 21:21.19 | enouf | n3kl: what do you mean exactly? |
| 21:21.53 | mhymn | enouf: cool, thanks |
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| 21:22.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:22.22 | damagednoob | sorry i timed, but is there a truecrypt equivalent for debian? |
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| 21:22.44 | damagednoob | timed out* |
| 21:23.15 | enouf | if you have shutdown/reboot privs as a User, you can likely restart/stop the Desktop Session, which should throw your ?dm back up into your face |
| 21:23.43 | enouf | not that you can do anything from there as user, that you wouldn't be able to without root privs, but |
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| 21:24.45 | acidslep | hoi |
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| 21:25.36 | enouf | damagednoob: i think the kernel is playing with ecryptfs nowadays - i guess you could try/use secure-delete if you just want to securely wipe when you rm files, also shred, but i guess you can use gpg for all other things |
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| 21:26.02 | damagednoob | thanks enouf |
| 21:26.14 | damagednoob | i was really hoping for on-the-fly encryption |
| 21:26.23 | enouf | you could also create a partition that you use crypt-setup / LUKs on |
| 21:26.48 | n3kl | you could install gpg, and do shred -f -u -z |
| 21:27.12 | n3kl | damagednoob: truecrypt or cryptfs is on the fly |
| 21:27.21 | enouf | !truecrypt |
| 21:27.21 | dpkg | i heard truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
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| 21:27.53 | damagednoob | !cryptfs |
| 21:27.56 | damagednoob | :P |
| 21:27.58 | enouf | i've seen tutorials about setting up truecrypt on Etch |
| 21:28.15 | n3kl | yeah, I think there is one on debian-administration.org |
| 21:28.48 | damagednoob | cool, i'll see what i can find |
| 21:28.56 | enouf | the one i saw wasn't there - and it was 2 pages - i forger where |
| 21:28.56 | damagednoob | thanks |
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| 21:29.01 | enouf | but it had screenshots too |
| 21:29.14 | n3kl | ah, maybe howtoforge or something? |
| 21:29.21 | enouf | maybe linuxquestions.org and the like |
| 21:29.24 | enouf | yeah |
| 21:29.28 | n3kl | damagednoob: just curious, why do you need encryption on the fly? |
| 21:29.42 | enouf | hide pr0n from big sister |
| 21:29.58 | enouf | he's on sis's computer |
| 21:30.00 | n3kl | enouf: uh, chomod? |
| 21:30.07 | damagednoob | heh |
| 21:30.18 | n3kl | er, chmod too |
| 21:30.21 | enouf | heh |
| 21:30.26 | enouf | engrish! |
| 21:30.33 | n3kl | that too |
| 21:30.44 | n3kl | ./hidepr0n.sh |
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| 21:31.22 | damagednoob | i don't like the idea of people going through my stuff when i'm going through customs |
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| 21:31.35 | damagednoob | personal p0rn |
| 21:31.37 | damagednoob | !!!! |
| 21:31.37 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 21:31.37 | n3kl | damagednoob: where you from? |
| 21:31.43 | enouf | n3kl: which is your main browser? then i'll pm you a link - i want to see if it crashes yours like it crashes KonqOut here, and even my beloved links :-/ |
| 21:31.55 | n3kl | firebload |
| 21:32.07 | enouf | ahh .. ok - here comes pm |
| 21:32.14 | n3kl | er tundrafox er something |
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| 21:32.21 | n3kl | enouf: why would I want to crash my browser |
| 21:32.43 | ameyer | n3kl: because you can? |
| 21:32.54 | n3kl | not a good reason? |
| 21:33.33 | n3kl | dood, the securing debian manual still has frickin wood information in it |
| 21:33.34 | enouf | n3kl: test your Firepoop for me ;-) |
| 21:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | aah, I remember "smashing the stack for fun and profit" |
| 21:33.41 | n3kl | needs some serious update |
| 21:33.56 | n3kl | enouf: is this ok for work? |
| 21:34.08 | enouf | n3kl: not likely - but not hardcore |
| 21:34.10 | Gabriel_ | what network manager can i use so that i can choose the encryption |
| 21:34.34 | n3kl | enouf: I share an office, I will have to test at a later time |
| 21:34.35 | enouf | just nice nudes ;-) |
| 21:34.39 | enouf | ok |
| 21:35.20 | enouf | choose encryption? you mean WEP vs WPA{2} ? |
| 21:35.38 | enouf | 1stly install wpasupplicant |
| 21:35.43 | enouf | read the docs |
| 21:35.44 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that was a while ago |
| 21:35.58 | Gabriel_ | yes but psk and such |
| 21:36.09 | n3kl | yeah, install wpasupplicant |
| 21:36.15 | Gabriel_ | ok |
| 21:36.21 | enouf | well, if network-mangler doesn't cut it - try wicd |
| 21:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, see, now you can smash your browser for fun and profit :) |
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| 21:36.45 | n3kl | meh, security has passed me by far. |
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| 21:37.25 | n3kl | maybe five or six years ago I knew what I was doing, but things move too quick to keep up |
| 21:37.59 | n3kl | s/knew/thought I knew/ |
| 21:38.35 | enouf | it loads about halfway - then p00f, the browser just exits - now, others using midori, and one other using Firepoop said it was a very heavy page, but didn't crash - takes a long time to load here, and get's about halfway before crashing - in Text mode, no problems (but then, no nice pics, either) :-( |
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| 21:38.57 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: want the url in priv? |
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| 21:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I know my firefox can crash already :) |
| 21:39.51 | enouf | haha .. |
| 21:40.00 | n3kl | enouf: stop passing links to you kernel hacks in the form of you home-hosted pron sites. I'll tell you sister! |
| 21:40.49 | enouf | n3kl: fortunately, unlike Windows, these crashes can't/shouldn't take down anything more than the browser |
| 21:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | except perhaps the X server |
| 21:41.14 | n3kl | good |
| 21:41.16 | n3kl | ha |
| 21:41.24 | jelly-home | n3kl: is she hot? |
| 21:41.40 | enouf | i've managed to restart the entire DE when trying to selectively kill a particular process item that should not have done so though |
| 21:41.47 | enouf | xkill for the win though |
| 21:41.54 | n3kl | I think it was kapersky that came out a couple weeks ago and said that they had info on linux hacks also or something. Dunno if they were for real or not, but makes you wonder |
| 21:42.18 | n3kl | enouf: sometimes when I quit steam running in wine, X restarts |
| 21:42.21 | enouf | kaspersky |
| 21:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | xkill seems to work on the process for me, it always just removes the window and I have to go and kill the process anyways |
| 21:42.29 | enouf | i always leave off the first s as well |
| 21:42.41 | n3kl | kaspersky |
| 21:42.54 | n3kl | I think they are prolly just trying to sell av to linux users |
| 21:42.59 | enouf | n3kl: well WINE is an entirely diff story |
| 21:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if they had, why wouldn't they come out with them so they can be fixed? |
| 21:43.34 | n3kl | yeah |
| 21:43.50 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I like the old ctrl+alt+shift+esc click |
| 21:43.51 | enouf | alrighty bois and goils - bbl |
| 21:44.08 | n3kl | see ya |
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| 21:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, was it something along the lines of "saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction, sends anthrax mails and prepares loads of sept-11-like attacks and, btw, there are a LOT of easily exploitable holes in the linux kernel only AV can protect you from"? |
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| 21:45.30 | a[u]stin | what does ~pstandard, ~prequired, etc mean when I run tasksel --task-packages standard? |
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| 21:45.48 | xanne | Hello, where can i disable the cdrom lookup when installing packages with apt-get ? |
| 21:45.58 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: haha, no, it was a pretty generic, non technical statement like that though |
| 21:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | xanne, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:46.05 | xanne | ok |
| 21:46.18 | dmoerner | a[u]stin, those are aptitude search terms. Type aptitude search ~pstandard to see the group of packages in the standard priority |
| 21:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 21:46.22 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 21:46.35 | a[u]stin | dmoerner: thanks |
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| 21:48.03 | erawfish | xanne: your sources.list has a entry starting with cdrom: remove the line |
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| 21:49.11 | xanne | thanks CutMeOwnThroat and erawfish |
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| 21:56.06 | Akuw | Hi |
| 21:56.07 | Akuw | i need to copy files by date |
| 21:56.07 | Akuw | how can i do that? |
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| 21:56.53 | phaidros | assuming I have a jail whereto users can - using rssh - only scp and sftp into. what would be a proper way to let users adjust their passwords? |
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| 21:58.54 | n3kl | Akuw: explain |
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| 22:01.08 | madmac2501 | hi, where can i find the debian package structure used to build gstreamer debian packages? |
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| 22:01.58 | `Sgt` | apt-get install * |
| 22:02.00 | `Sgt` | j/k |
| 22:02.11 | Akuw | well |
| 22:02.11 | Akuw | i have a directory with 300.000 files |
| 22:02.11 | Akuw | i need to copy by date so i can create 5 directories with files to have a small directories |
| 22:02.14 | Akuw | then, i will have for example 3 directories with 100.000 files each |
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| 22:02.40 | oompa_loompa | is there a way to install libapachhe2-mod-security from apt? |
| 22:02.52 | oompa_loompa | I used apt-cache but it's not there |
| 22:03.13 | oompa_loompa | I search the internet, but there are lots of creepy ways to do it, I just want to do it right |
| 22:04.05 | dmoerner | oompa_loompa, did you spell it right? |
| 22:04.32 | dmoerner | it isn't in debian repositories by default, certainly |
| 22:05.02 | oompa_loompa | i checked everything that hat had apache in its name then grep it to look for security |
| 22:05.06 | oompa_loompa | nothing came up |
| 22:05.13 | oompa_loompa | oh I see |
| 22:05.24 | oompa_loompa | hmm.. this is a production box what do you recommend? |
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| 22:14.48 | `Sgt` | Are libmisc and libsql part of libtools? |
| 22:17.45 | dustybin | "can you hear it? ..its getting close" |
| 22:17.48 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 182 |
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| 22:20.39 | gestonimous | hello world1 i have a broken kernel on my etch and recent bootable backup live-cd. How to boot with kernel from cd but use /dev/sda1 ? i tryed to change root= to /dev/sda1 |
| 22:21.41 | pipeline | gestonimous: boot the CD and mount your drive, then chroot |
| 22:22.03 | ma3x | how can i convert pdf to doc? |
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| 22:22.57 | simNIX | maybe openoffice can open pdf and save as doc |
| 22:23.03 | gestonimous | pipeline: can't i proceed the boot process with another hdd? |
| 22:23.32 | gestonimous | i mean not just chroot - proceed init screepts |
| 22:23.51 | gestonimous | sorry, tired |
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| 22:27.32 | ma3x | no, openoffice won't open pdf |
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| 22:39.03 | `Sgt` | Are libmisc and libsql part of libtools? |
| 22:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, you can't, really... the two are sometimes fundamentally different - depending on the pdf, though |
| 22:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, pdftotext will give you plaintext, pdfimages will give you the images |
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| 22:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdf2ps gives you postscript, which you can convert to a whole bunch of formats using pstoedit and there's also a pdf2svg which seems to work pretty well |
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| 22:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also pdfedit, pdftk and pdftools for (semi-) completeness, but I've never had much success using them |
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| 22:47.17 | oklinux | any one here run arch beside debian ? |
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| 22:48.39 | legis | Hi, how can I see which video driver xorg loaded? |
| 22:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, oh yeah, and there are persistent rumors that koffice can read in pdf, but... I've not been impressed by the result |
| 22:48.47 | dmoerner | legis, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | kword, that is |
| 22:50.09 | legis | dmoerner: ok |
| 22:50.47 | ma3x | CutMeOwnThroat: ok i won't bother i'll just stick with pdf for pdf |
| 22:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, yeah - that is probably what you're looking for, however crappy the result might turn out to be - open it in kword, then save as openoffice document |
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| 22:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually not *so* bad on the pdf I just tried to open with it |
| 22:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | all text and images kinda present |
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| 22:53.36 | legis | dmoerner: (II) LoadModule: "radeon" <- that it I guess, does that driver supports 3D acceleration? |
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| 22:54.48 | amphi | legis: yes, on a supported card |
| 22:56.16 | legis | amphi: I see, I find out, thanks |
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| 22:58.34 | amphi | legis: what card is it? |
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| 22:59.42 | legis | amphi: ati x1650 pro |
| 23:01.03 | amphi | legis: I doubt radeon supports that; radeonhd perhaps |
| 23:01.10 | amphi | legis: but I could be wrong |
| 23:01.32 | legis | amphi: (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon X1650" (ChipID = 0x71c1) |
| 23:01.33 | legis | (WW) RADEON(0): R500 support is under development. Please report any issues to xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org |
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| 23:03.37 | legis | amphi: (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1600, |
| 23:03.50 | legis | does that means it supports 3D? |
| 23:04.51 | Mundus | Probably, but it doesn't support opengl |
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| 23:06.01 | legis | Mundus: what does that mean? |
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| 23:07.35 | Mundus | If you want opengl support with radeon cards you'll need the fglrx driver |
| 23:07.50 | amphi | that's a shame |
| 23:08.00 | Mundus | What's a shame? |
| 23:08.19 | amphi | that you must use fglrx |
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| 23:08.45 | Mundus | Well, I could be mistaken, known to happen |
| 23:09.55 | Mundus | But all I could find about gl on radeon was the fglrx driver |
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| 23:11.35 | enouf | !tell legis about radeon vs radeonhd |
| 23:11.52 | cafuego | If your radeon is listed in `man radeon' you can use the open driver. |
| 23:11.55 | Mundus | enouf: Do you know if what I just said is true or not? |
| 23:12.05 | cafuego | Unless it's listed as "not supported" ;-) |
| 23:12.10 | rebecka | anybody with clisp and/or stumpwm experience that could tell me what to do when clisp spits out *** - LOAD: compiled file /var/cache/common-lisp-controller/1000/clisp/cl-ppcre/scanner.fas lacks a version marker |
| 23:12.15 | rebecka | when starting stumpwm |
| 23:12.43 | enouf | Mundus: no idea |
| 23:12.45 | rebecka | (it does not start stumpwm ... it quits right there |
| 23:12.48 | rebecka | ) |
| 23:12.57 | enouf | try #radeon |
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| 23:13.43 | Mundus | I don't like proprietary drivers so I just use the radeon driver myself |
| 23:13.48 | enouf | cafuego: hola! i passed out one of your useful udev urls recently ;-) |
| 23:14.14 | cafuego | enouf: ah, the backup thingie? |
| 23:14.17 | enouf | !cafuego ++ |
| 23:14.20 | enouf | yep |
| 23:14.46 | cafuego | my clients love it too :-) |
| 23:15.03 | enouf | you really should make a factoid or something pointing to it - maybe even wiki.debian.org it |
| 23:15.13 | cafuego | can't use it for $self now until i get a portable 1Gb drive :-/ |
| 23:15.22 | enouf | the !udev rules factoid is small |
| 23:15.24 | cafuego | so much shit in ~ |
| 23:15.39 | enouf | heh |
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| 23:16.04 | enouf | i've done some shuffling myself, but all within internal drives |
| 23:16.21 | jelly-home | what backup thingie? |
| 23:16.34 | enouf | !show me the money shot! |
| 23:16.42 | cafuego | yeah, here as well. turns out i had a *huge* amount of unconnected 80G drive laying around... so now I have a raid10 array ;-) |
| 23:17.02 | enouf | nice! |
| 23:17.06 | jelly-home | where huge >= 4 |
| 23:17.09 | cafuego | jelly-home: http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
| 23:17.09 | enouf | raid10 ftw! |
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| 23:17.25 | cafuego | jelly-home: where huge = 6 |
| 23:17.45 | Mundus | 80GB... |
| 23:17.50 | Mundus | That's my total disk space |
| 23:17.50 | cafuego | well, 6 working ones. there were also dead ones |
| 23:17.55 | jelly-home | cafuego: uh, hope you have spares |
| 23:18.02 | Mundus | Well, I've got 512MB on the memory card in my phone |
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| 23:18.16 | jelly-home | raid10 w/o (hot)spares = bad idea |
| 23:18.17 | cafuego | jelly-home: there's one in a book case |
| 23:18.23 | enouf | cafuego: i have 2x 80GB Hitachis .. nice drives |
| 23:18.40 | enouf | they really fixed the ibm deathstars they inherited :-P |
| 23:18.43 | cafuego | jelly-home: it's fine,. these are all different make & model, so it's unlikely 2 will die at the same time. |
| 23:18.52 | bolt | how can I find the last login time of a user? |
| 23:18.57 | cafuego | bolt: `last user' |
| 23:18.57 | enouf | lastlog |
| 23:19.47 | jelly-home | cafuego: ah. so you probably know about not using full drive size, too |
| 23:19.58 | cafuego | jelly-home: Yup |
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| 23:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what! I paid for 80GB, I'm gonna use 80GB! |
| 23:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 23:20.36 | bolt | cafuego: ah. great program. thanks :D |
| 23:20.37 | jelly-home | "hey, we need a spare 146GB disk... hey, this one has 32 sectors less than the old one" |
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| 23:20.53 | enouf | cafuego: i wouldn't buy the 160GB variants for 2 reasons, a) they weren;t on sale for 35$ each and b) and more importantly, they weren't balanced as the single platter 80GB drives are - they have 2 platters, but only utilize 1.5 sides |
| 23:22.02 | cafuego | oh that remonds me, i need to pull the 160G drives out of my wife's amchine |
| 23:22.03 | legis | looks libke[5~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~weellhmmmy card is listed as supporte on both man pages of radeaneon and readeonhd :)[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dd |
| 23:22.13 | cafuego | they're just making heat atm, not helpful |
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| 23:22.33 | bolt | what's wrong with not using the entire drive? |
| 23:22.35 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: actually ... |
| 23:22.36 | enouf | ~$ lshal | grep -A 50 /dev/hdc | grep 82 |
| 23:22.37 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.41 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:22.56 | jelly-home | bolt: just said |
| 23:23.30 | cafuego | bolt: they tend to not be *exactly* the same size |
| 23:23.44 | bolt | ah. seen that. |
| 23:23.45 | jelly-home | oh, sorry bolt, I misread you; there's actually nothing wrong with not using the entire drive. |
| 23:23.51 | cafuego | bolt: So if you write to part of disk #1 that doesn't exist on disk #2... |
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| 23:24.16 | Broken_Heart2 | hi |
| 23:24.17 | enouf | wtf are you weenies talking about? :-) |
| 23:24.17 | soldierboy | Ok, I'm trying to do some boot optimization using bootchart as a reference. I can see that modprobe is initialized FOUR times during boot. Is there any way to configure this insanity? |
| 23:24.19 | bolt | cafuego: shouldn't stuff like raid devices be able to detect that and size it to the smallest one? |
| 23:24.40 | cafuego | bolt: How would they do that on a drive that was added 2 years later, as repalcement? Throw away data? |
| 23:25.00 | Broken_Heart2 | when will debian 5 release? |
| 23:25.01 | enouf | bolt: mdX devices reserve ~1MB for metadata |
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| 23:25.08 | enouf | array metadata |
| 23:25.14 | Broken_Heart2 | i am waiting for it man |
| 23:25.19 | jelly-home | or put in a 400-500 GB drive as replacement for a 200GB one, that's a safe bet |
| 23:25.27 | enouf | haha |
| 23:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Broken_Heart2, /msg dpkg wir also siyh ... and so on :) |
| 23:25.32 | bolt | heh |
| 23:25.38 | cafuego | Broken_Heart2: May 14, 2010. |
| 23:25.40 | jelly-home | been there |
| 23:25.46 | enouf | done that |
| 23:25.50 | enouf | got the t-shirt |
| 23:25.57 | bolt | i didn't |
| 23:26.03 | bolt | stop grabbing them all |
| 23:26.31 | enouf | enters bolt into the upcoming wet t-shirt contest |
| 23:26.37 | bolt | ooh |
| 23:26.37 | jelly-home | bolt: leave 2-3 GB unused and you're set |
| 23:26.59 | cafuego | tends to leave 512-odd mb unused |
| 23:26.59 | bolt | grabs enouf's t-shirt. need one to participate, they said |
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| 23:27.52 | enouf | needs to do laundry ;-P |
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| 23:28.00 | cafuego | i'll say |
| 23:28.14 | iLLf8d | greetings all |
| 23:28.21 | jelly-home | cafuego: when the vendor says "72GB", they actually mean 72E9 bytes, so there's the safe value. |
| 23:28.22 | cafuego | needs to fetch his newly fixed spare tyre and go to adelaide |
| 23:28.41 | enouf | so gals - whatcha all think of noatime or relatime option on ext3 FS ? |
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| 23:29.12 | cafuego | jelly-home: I usually check the smallest one and leave 512Mb off that - then I use the sectory size to partition the other drives. |
| 23:29.23 | jelly-home | blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sda --> 80026361856 ("80 GB") |
| 23:29.38 | cafuego | i just realised i should save time by using dd though - heh |
| 23:29.44 | enouf | lshal |
| 23:29.54 | enouf | parted |
| 23:30.01 | jelly-home | hal can bite my shiny fleshy ass. |
| 23:30.02 | Broken_Heart2 | debian have 1000 developer and there are 100 release critical bugs, so why do we wait, i dont understand |
| 23:30.16 | dondelelcaro | Broken_Heart2: because those bugs still aren't fixed. |
| 23:30.22 | enouf | jelly-home: do you not have any hal installed? |
| 23:30.31 | cafuego | 8589934592 |
| 23:30.37 | dondelelcaro | Broken_Heart2: the developers we have are all volunteers; they don't all have time to work on resolving those bugs |
| 23:30.40 | iLLf8d | anyone know of a gnome desktop support channel on freenode? |
| 23:30.40 | jelly-home | enouf: not on them serverses. |
| 23:30.45 | enouf | jelly-home: you must loathe it as much as i loathe FlashCrapPoopShit |
| 23:30.58 | jelly-home | it's vile. |
| 23:31.02 | iLLf8d | apparently altho I can set the mute keyboard shortcut it doesnt actually mute anything (altho volume up/down works) |
| 23:31.03 | cafuego | Broken_Heart2: If bugs were that easy to fix, there wouldn't be 100 of them left. |
| 23:31.07 | enouf | righto .... hrm .. but you do have udev, right? |
| 23:31.15 | jelly-home | nah! |
| 23:31.20 | dondelelcaro | Broken_Heart2: but that said, feel free to help us resolve them. |
| 23:31.20 | enouf | !!! |
| 23:31.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 23:31.54 | enouf | !sunsolarissmite jelly-home |
| 23:32.00 | jelly-home | udev makes baby chowned devs cry |
| 23:32.06 | cafuego | enouf: that's just rude |
| 23:32.18 | enouf | cafuego: which? |
| 23:32.23 | cafuego | slowaris |
| 23:32.29 | enouf | haha |
| 23:32.36 | Broken_Heart2 | i would like to help but i think debian release policy is too strict |
| 23:33.04 | jelly-home | enouf: you're just jealous of their tech and decent manpages. |
| 23:33.36 | cafuego | jelly-home: I think he's jealous of people with 32Gb of rma and 16 cores, who *can* run it at acceptable speeds. |
| 23:33.51 | jelly-home | dpkg --print-architecture --> i386-solaris2.9 |
| 23:33.51 | dpkg | wish i knew, jelly-home |
| 23:33.58 | jelly-home | dpkg: shut up |
| 23:33.58 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 23:34.15 | enouf | jelly-home: you use any initrd? if so, you use yaird over initramfs? |
| 23:34.34 | jelly-home | cafuego: I've inherited x86 solaris... it works |
| 23:34.51 | enouf | cafuego: sun has quite non-existant acpi and hotplug support |
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| 23:35.03 | cafuego | jelly-home: I had a go at opensolaris on the Q6600 (6GB) and it did poo. |
| 23:35.08 | jelly-home | enouf: either a) custom kernel & initrd, or b) yaird |
| 23:35.13 | enouf | cafuego: though, this new kexec stuff doen't rely on ACPI |
| 23:35.23 | enouf | jelly-home: aye |
| 23:35.35 | cafuego | Well actually, when the installer hadn't completed after 2 hours I decided it was poo and killed it. |
| 23:35.41 | enouf | cafuego: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27#head-6b295ec8ec9b422bd646b5f20db0070644085525 |
| 23:36.02 | jelly-home | yaird in etch is buggy; in sarge was buggier... had to coerce it |
| 23:36.27 | cafuego | enouf: That seems to be down *or* illegal in Australia now. |
| 23:36.44 | enouf | udev, although well supported in 2.6.16 Debian wasn't officially supported in kernel until 2.6.19 |
| 23:36.50 | llimeht | cafuego: heh |
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| 23:36.53 | jelly-home | cafuego: I have no idea about this "opensolaris" stuff, but that ain't the real thing |
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| 23:36.55 | enouf | cafuego: yikes |
| 23:37.03 | dustybin | is shocked. did you know you can tab switches in commands? |
| 23:37.09 | stoned | lol |
| 23:37.10 | cafuego | jelly-home: Go tell a sun engineer to his face |
| 23:37.21 | jelly-home | dustybin: in bash and zsh, yes |
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| 23:37.28 | cafuego | dustybin: with the right bash rc loaded, yes |
| 23:37.43 | enouf | !bash_completion |
| 23:37.46 | cafuego | for some commands anyway |
| 23:37.50 | enouf | hrm |
| 23:37.54 | dondelelcaro | Broken_Heart2: well, the release policy isn't going to change, so if you're concerned about the speed of release, helping is the best way to resolve that |
| 23:37.55 | dustybin | thinks of all those hours wasted reading --help to see what switches were available |
| 23:37.57 | llimeht | dustybin: you can tab complete package names for apt and aptitude etc too :) |
| 23:38.01 | enouf | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:38.09 | dustybin | llimeht: fekkin heck |
| 23:38.11 | enouf | just for all that dpkg the bot does |
| 23:38.12 | stoned | !enouf-- |
| 23:38.13 | jelly-home | one shell is clearly superior, though |
| 23:38.25 | stoned | no |
| 23:38.31 | stoned | that is subjective jelly |
| 23:38.38 | dvs | jelly? |
| 23:38.39 | enouf | tases stoned with a custom turkey baster |
| 23:38.46 | stoned | lol |
| 23:38.48 | stoned | hey dvs |
| 23:38.51 | dvs | hello |
| 23:38.58 | jelly-home | sall I'm saying. |
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| 23:39.16 | stoned | it just depends on what you like really |
| 23:39.22 | stoned | bash can be easily extended |
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| 23:39.34 | stoned | zsh got nothin' on it. |
| 23:39.45 | stoned | they are both very good shells |
| 23:39.48 | jelly-home | shows how little you know! |
| 23:39.56 | stoned | I know nothing! |
| 23:40.00 | stoned | but I do know what I like. |
| 23:40.08 | stoned | and I'm good with it. |
| 23:40.20 | jelly-home | right... simple stuff for simple pe... erm. |
| 23:40.25 | stoned | well |
| 23:40.27 | enouf | s l o w d o w n - though you are doing ok ;-) |
| 23:40.29 | jelly-home | stops |
| 23:40.34 | llimeht | stoned: (except refraining with the enter key...) |
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| 23:40.40 | stoned | zsh is the shitnit, I don't care what you say. |
| 23:40.41 | stoned | sorry. |
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| 23:41.28 | stoned | Ok, I'm slowed down now. :D thanks. |
| 23:41.45 | enouf | ok, so, how about these proposed changes in Large Block sizes to compensate for lack of seeks/MB of data on disk? |
| 23:41.54 | stoned | enouf, why? |
| 23:42.08 | enouf | large block + large pages |
| 23:42.08 | format_c | !start a holy war |
| 23:42.09 | dpkg | Redhat 0wnz |
| 23:42.26 | jelly-home | format_c: that's !start a shell war for you |
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| 23:42.59 | enouf | stoned: start here http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.file-systems/18281 but backup for all the minutae |
| 23:43.04 | format_c | jelly-home, oh also very nice |
| 23:43.08 | ukatan | hey, I was wondering... If I just run the normal debian installer CD and choose a USB flash drive as the medium, making sure I install the bootloader there and whatnot, will it work? |
| 23:43.19 | jelly-home | !listkeys start a |
| 23:43.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'start a' by key (13 of 279): #debian start a cpu war ;; #debian start a shell war ;; #debian start an editor war ;; #debian start an mta war ;; _default start a flame war ;; _default start an fs war ;; start a book war ;; start a dhcp war ;; start a flame war ;; start a fs war ;; start a game war ;; start a lazy war ;; start a pdp-11 i/o bus war. |
| 23:43.21 | ukatan | I'm under the impression that it will. |
| 23:43.24 | stoned | ukatan, only on that hw |
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| 23:43.31 | ukatan | hm. |
| 23:43.33 | stoned | soon as you try to boot it on anothe rmachine |
| 23:43.37 | stoned | voila, kernel panics |
| 23:43.39 | ukatan | so bad luck there |
| 23:43.50 | stoned | there is a diff method of doing what you want to do |
| 23:43.51 | ukatan | any ideas towards what I'm trying to do, then? |
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| 23:43.58 | stoned | lookup on how to make a live cd usb thingy |
| 23:44.02 | ukatan | k |
| 23:44.02 | enouf | ukatan: usb installer? |
| 23:44.07 | stoned | not an installer |
| 23:44.10 | enouf | !usb install |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | i heard usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 23:44.11 | stoned | he wants a live usb |
| 23:44.16 | stoned | you doofus |
| 23:44.18 | enouf | stoned: stfu |
| 23:44.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:44.26 | stoned | im gonna hurt you |
| 23:44.27 | ukatan | :x |
| 23:44.43 | stoned | ukatan, what do you want bro? |
| 23:44.44 | enouf | shakes and trembles |
| 23:44.47 | llimeht | points the married couple towards a private "room". |
| 23:45.00 | ukatan | ah, found it in the forums. |
| 23:45.04 | ukatan | couple of posts. |
| 23:46.21 | amphi | cures enouf's palsy |
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| 23:46.43 | stoned | hehehe |
| 23:47.09 | enouf | not even funny actually |
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| 23:47.30 | aFlag | hi, how do I change the sensible-browser? |
| 23:47.50 | stoned | aFlag, update-alternatives --config sensible-browser |
| 23:47.53 | stoned | or whatever the hell its called |
| 23:47.54 | enouf | it's like calling people retarded, when that's an insult to retarded people |
| 23:48.15 | enouf | what they are is a turd, or a dickbag |
| 23:48.20 | aFlag | I changed x-www-browser but it didn't make any difference, there doesn't seem to be a sensible-browser alternative |
| 23:48.21 | stoned | douchebag |
| 23:48.22 | slicer_ | yeah like they dont have a heart |
| 23:48.27 | stoned | hm |
| 23:48.28 | stoned | hang on |
| 23:48.29 | enouf | right |
| 23:48.34 | stoned | also check in /etc/alternatives |
| 23:48.36 | enouf | STOP WITH THE ENTER |
| 23:48.50 | stoned | DAMN! FINE! SORRY! |
| 23:49.00 | enouf | see the comma i used above as an example |
| 23:49.19 | stoned | dude I swear to god... ok. So I'll use more less lines |
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| 23:49.50 | llimeht | aFlag: have a look at /usr/bin/sensible-browser. If you use gnome, it uses gnome-www-browser. |
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| 23:52.25 | kthakore | hi there I installed lighttpd server through ubuntu reps and everything works fine. I can access the server from the server. but I cannot access it from the internet |
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| 23:52.58 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:53.47 | zmitya | are ACLs supported on reiserfs in etch ? |
| 23:54.03 | cafuego | enouf: Ah, i see. kernelnewbies is trying to do ipv6. |
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| 23:55.20 | acidslep | whats the best way to install a working X? |
| 23:55.30 | cafuego | acidslep: aptitude |
| 23:55.35 | acidslep | ok |
| 23:55.47 | cafuego | aptitude install x-window-system |
| 23:55.58 | cafuego | On top, add a preferred WM or DE. |
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| 23:58.07 | acidslep | and naturally, it fails. i do not have a working browser to use the internets. how should i solve that problem? |
| 23:58.14 | acidslep | maybe check #xorg? |
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| 23:58.32 | cafuego | It fails. |
| 23:58.43 | acidslep | thought so :( |
| 23:58.51 | cafuego | Your bug reporting skills are teh suck. |
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| 23:59.37 | acidslep | OH, yeah. i was not expecting you to help me with X so i did nout trouble you with the details |
| 23:59.50 | acidslep | but your right, my problem reporting is teh suck |
| 23:59.52 | cafuego | Well, that's what this channel is for. |
