| 00:00.19 | acidslep | i figured dpkg would yell at me if i started talking about X and be all like go to #xorg!! |
| 00:00.29 | acidslep | dpkg, tell me about xorg |
| 00:00.31 | cafuego | Only if you'e not using Debian. |
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| 00:00.48 | cafuego | If you're using Debian and X won't install, getting it working is perfectly topical here. |
| 00:00.59 | acidslep | alrighty! oh no, it installs fine |
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| 00:01.20 | acidslep | i had already done the aptitude install, but i was wondering if i should get bins from somewhere else. |
| 00:01.30 | cafuego | Nope. |
| 00:01.34 | stoned | !tell acidslep -about setup x |
| 00:01.52 | acidslep | dpkg, tell me about drxx |
| 00:01.57 | stoned | acidslep, /msg dpkg install kde or gnome or xfce or whateer else you want |
| 00:02.02 | stoned | acidslep, you can msg the bot |
| 00:02.06 | azeem | his X doesn't start |
| 00:02.36 | stoned | oh |
| 00:02.54 | stoned | acidslep, what sayeth the log file? /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 00:03.08 | acidslep | lemme try the conf menu first? |
| 00:03.40 | azeem | conf menu? |
| 00:03.51 | azeem | oh dpkg-reconfigure I gues |
| 00:03.52 | azeem | s |
| 00:03.54 | acidslep | ja |
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| 00:06.13 | acidslep | an interesting thing happened, before i started talking to you guys. I have dual moniters and when i started X and if failed, it broke one. it wont behave like its supposed to now... it also has some weird static text on it, but it was pretty interesting when it happened. |
| 00:06.43 | cafuego | weird static text? |
| 00:07.00 | cafuego | any blinking ansi crap on it as well? |
| 00:07.06 | stoned | what kinda monitor? |
| 00:07.13 | acidslep | yeah, and it updates every 100 lines. --- no, but it did that before! |
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| 00:07.26 | acidslep | old crt one. im sure a reboot would fix it. |
| 00:07.32 | acidslep | i just thought it was cool |
| 00:07.33 | cafuego | acidslep: Are you by any chance using the nvidia driver? |
| 00:07.37 | acidslep | ja :) |
| 00:07.42 | acidslep | i figured it was something like that |
| 00:07.49 | cafuego | Yeeeessss... |
| 00:08.15 | cafuego | that crap/text is a driver artefact, doesn't mean the screen is busted |
| 00:08.25 | acidslep | i know :) |
| 00:08.47 | cafuego | there should be an nvidia config tool to set up multihead |
| 00:08.53 | acidslep | ive been fuxed by "artifacts" before, just not with a console |
| 00:09.05 | Lagbolt | cafuego, there is |
| 00:09.14 | acidslep | yeah, i used it in suse. |
| 00:09.20 | acidslep | seemed kinda evil |
| 00:09.22 | Lagbolt | cafuego, nvidia-settings |
| 00:09.25 | cafuego | acidslep: my wife's 7300 shows that crap too when she stops gdm |
| 00:09.32 | Lagbolt | works perfectly :) |
| 00:09.38 | acidslep | mainly, i had to do it every reboot.. |
| 00:10.00 | acidslep | cafuego, cool! |
| 00:10.49 | acidslep | is still going through the (re)configuration of xorg |
| 00:10.57 | cafuego | acidslep: if you haven't done it yet on debian, gran nvidia-settings like Lagbolt suggests.... should work just fine - and not require rerunning after reboots. |
| 00:11.16 | acidslep | will it let me also adjust both heads in using terminals? |
| 00:11.28 | acidslep | if so, how could i switch between them? |
| 00:13.09 | acidslep | grr "This option is recommended to experienced users only. In most cases, it should be enabled" |
| 00:13.16 | acidslep | thats... fuddling |
| 00:13.23 | acidslep | (sic) |
| 00:14.58 | acidslep | heh, no screens found |
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| 00:16.41 | Mundus | acidslep: Do you have an ati or nvidia graphics card? |
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| 00:19.56 | jpinx | can someone please give me the syntax of the command to reconfigure X ? |
| 00:20.22 | jpinx | I need to fix screen resolution after a net install. |
| 00:21.10 | llimeht | jpinx: etch or lenny? |
| 00:21.25 | jpinx | etch |
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| 00:21.30 | llimeht | !drxx |
| 00:21.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however. |
| 00:21.59 | acidslep | mundus, nvidia |
| 00:22.00 | jpinx | thanks llimeht |
| 00:24.11 | Mundus | acidslep: My guess is that the horizontal and vertical refresh is wrong |
| 00:24.37 | acidslep | good idea. but right now. X wont even find screens |
| 00:25.12 | Mundus | What does /etc/X11/xorg.conf say about the monitor? |
| 00:25.28 | Mundus | unknown or generic by any chance? |
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| 00:26.50 | adamSS | when I type: ping localhost, it pings 10.11.12.13 . How do I get it to ping my 192.168.* address? my actual local address? |
| 00:27.32 | Mundus | Do you know your address? |
| 00:28.02 | adamSS | yes |
| 00:28.16 | Mundus | ping 192.168.xxx.xxx |
| 00:28.25 | acidslep | Mundus, looks really generic. |
| 00:28.53 | raz0 | adamSS, check /etc/hosts |
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| 00:29.09 | acidslep | Mundus, i also seem to have.. like 6 displays |
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| 00:29.30 | adamSS | Doesn't work for some reason. But even 127.0.0.1 100% packet loss |
| 00:29.30 | acidslep | (i mean screens) |
| 00:29.34 | Mundus | Mmmm.... 6 screens |
| 00:29.43 | slicer_ | acidslep: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 00:29.50 | Mundus | adamSS: Do as raz0 said |
| 00:30.03 | adamSS | shouldn't /etc/hosts supposed to list 127.0.0.1? |
| 00:30.27 | raz0 | You get 100% packet loss when pinging 127.0.0.1? o_0 |
| 00:30.36 | raz0 | Do you not have the local interface up? |
| 00:30.42 | acidslep | thats cool, you broke lo0! |
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| 00:30.49 | Mundus | adamSS: Yeah, first line should be 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 00:31.05 | raz0 | check ifconfig too |
| 00:31.10 | acidslep | slicer_ how should i upload to pastebin? |
| 00:31.14 | raz0 | see if the local interface is up |
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| 00:34.52 | Mundus | Is it possible to cat to /dev/clipboard or something like that? |
| 00:35.25 | acidslep | you would think thats possible... |
| 00:35.32 | acidslep | check man for xclipboard? |
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| 00:37.11 | adamSS | raz0: When I do ifconfig, it doesn't list a loopback interface |
| 00:37.15 | adamSS | just eth0 |
| 00:37.22 | Mundus | acidslep: you can send me the xorg.conf and I'll put it on pastebin for you =P |
| 00:37.24 | raz0 | that's not so good :) |
| 00:37.31 | adamSS | lol |
| 00:37.42 | adamSS | yea man, I know that it used to |
| 00:37.43 | raz0 | Did you mess around in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:37.48 | Mundus | adamSS: What does /etc/network/interfaces say? |
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| 00:39.15 | adamSS | Mundus: http://pastebin.com/d53cd7d02 my interfaces file |
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| 00:40.40 | raz0 | Hrm. Remove the IP and netmask lines |
| 00:40.50 | acidslep | ok, its failing to load the nvidia driver... duh. |
| 00:40.53 | acidslep | where do i get it.. |
| 00:41.00 | jpinx | when I do a net install on my laptop I get a lot of stuff that I don't really want. How do I get a base system with X and xfce4 only? I can apt-get the rest of the stuff I need |
| 00:41.13 | raz0 | adamSS, http://pastebin.com/m10d750d3 that should do it |
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| 00:41.47 | acidslep | jpinx, install barebones. then aptitude xorg and xfce. |
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| 00:42.22 | cafuego | acidslep: it's in non-free, or you can grab the kernel headers and build via the download from nvidia.com |
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| 00:42.53 | jpinx | acidsleep: is it that easy?:) |
| 00:43.26 | adamSS | raz0: how do I refresh that so those are the refleced settings? or do i just save that file and thats it? |
| 00:43.32 | Mundus | acidslep: Should be nvidia drivers included if you aptitude-ed the xorg package |
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| 00:44.00 | raz0 | adamSS, you can ifdown and ifup the interfaces |
| 00:44.05 | raz0 | adamSS, but a restart is easiest :) |
| 00:44.20 | adamSS | hehe yea that does sound best. |
| 00:44.23 | Mundus | acidslep: Check if you've got nvidia-glx installed |
| 00:45.03 | nic01 | whats up |
| 00:47.07 | adamSS | yay!! |
| 00:47.11 | adamSS | it works |
| 00:47.26 | adamSS | thx alot guys |
| 00:48.22 | gewt | is there #dbeian-offtopic ? |
| 00:48.31 | Mundus | Yeah |
| 00:48.39 | gewt | k |
| 00:48.40 | Mundus | Only spelled correct |
| 00:48.42 | Mundus | =P |
| 00:48.46 | gewt | true. |
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| 00:51.48 | mewshi | hello! :) |
| 00:51.52 | acidslep | yes! |
| 00:51.56 | acidslep | :) |
| 00:51.57 | hikenboot | anyone know of a doc on how to get lenny to boot faster...init-ng project for debian seems to be dead |
| 00:51.59 | mewshi | I have a question |
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| 00:52.07 | mewshi | How do I find out what version of Debian I'm running? |
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| 00:52.29 | Luke3321 | I believe you can run uname, but i may be wrong |
| 00:52.43 | acidslep | uname -a even. wont |
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| 00:52.52 | acidslep | less /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:53.03 | acidslep | should tell you, unless you changed it. |
| 00:53.09 | acidslep | but im sure there is a better way. |
| 00:53.16 | Luke3321 | Ah, ive never had to find out, guess this is a learning experiance |
| 00:53.22 | mewshi | it's running etch. Is that old? |
| 00:53.26 | Luke3321 | nah |
| 00:53.29 | Luke3321 | etch is stable |
| 00:53.37 | slicer_ | mewshi: i still run sarge :) |
| 00:53.39 | Mundus | At least a few weeks more |
| 00:53.47 | mewshi | What's the newer one? |
| 00:53.56 | acidslep | also, i cant find nvidia-glx in the repos. |
| 00:53.59 | slicer_ | old stable, man i love it :) |
| 00:53.59 | Luke3321 | Any one happen to know when Lenny is moving to stable? |
| 00:54.10 | mewshi | Is Lenny the newer one? |
| 00:54.16 | Luke3321 | lenny is testing |
| 00:54.17 | nic111 | whats up do I got voice folks |
| 00:54.25 | acidslep | what |
| 00:54.26 | slicer_ | mewshi: lenny will be next stable release |
| 00:54.32 | acidslep | dpkg, tell me about lenny |
| 00:54.32 | mewshi | What if I want to use Lenny now? |
| 00:54.41 | acidslep | dpkg, tell me about wwlf |
| 00:54.45 | acidslep | dpkg, tell me about wwlr |
| 00:54.48 | Mundus | mewshi: Then you're using testing |
| 00:54.48 | slicer_ | i have used lenny for months, and as far as i am concerned its stable |
| 00:54.52 | Luke3321 | there is a lenny installer on the debian website |
| 00:54.58 | Luke3321 | and yes, im on lenny right now |
| 00:55.04 | Luke3321 | now problem whatsoever |
| 00:55.06 | mewshi | Can I upgrade to it from etch? |
| 00:55.13 | slicer_ | yeah |
| 00:55.16 | Luke3321 | Yes, but ive never been ably to |
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| 00:55.16 | Tramp | !tell acidslep about selftell |
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| 00:55.39 | mewshi | Well, I don't have a CD drive or anything on this machine... |
| 00:55.39 | slicer_ | just add sources for lenny to apt/sources.list, and upgrade |
| 00:55.39 | acidslep | chill |
| 00:55.42 | Luke3321 | whenever i try to upgrade, i end up scrapping the install |
| 00:55.54 | llimeht | slicer_: You know that security support for sarge ended 6 months ago, don't you? |
| 00:55.55 | mewshi | slicer_: are there any terrible risks? |
| 00:56.16 | Luke3321 | No terrible risks if you dont fear a reinstall |
| 00:56.18 | llimeht | dpkg: tell mewshi about etch->lenny |
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| 00:56.25 | slicer_ | i am using it right now, got wifi working yesterday, all is well |
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| 00:56.35 | slicer_ | solid as a rock |
| 00:56.39 | Luke3321 | it is |
| 00:56.47 | Luke3321 | i like it much better than etch |
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| 00:57.32 | slicer_ | i have an old laptop, which i am using right now. And it works well on sarge. but bad on etch |
| 00:57.36 | xxgodsmackxx321 | http://sarah.watchhertits.com/?id=8cc196441ea58434504e08e5a95684a3 |
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| 00:57.52 | slicer_ | i have lenny amd64 installed on a desktop, thats solid |
| 00:58.08 | mewshi | I can't do a reinstall. No CD drive. |
| 00:58.14 | Luke3321 | i tried amd64, i decided to go i386 with a bigmem kernel |
| 00:58.15 | mewshi | So... would you recommend it...? |
| 00:58.21 | Luke3321 | no then |
| 00:58.32 | mewshi | Well, I want sexy new packages :( |
| 00:58.33 | Luke3321 | if you dont have a cd drive, dont risk it |
| 00:58.40 | slicer_ | mewshi: just dist upgrade, it will work |
| 00:58.49 | mewshi | But that doesn't have everything :( |
| 00:58.51 | Mundus | Isn't the #debian policy never to recommend anything else than stable? |
| 00:58.53 | Luke3321 | Then agian, it could go off fine |
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| 00:59.01 | slicer_ | i have done it countless times, it's how i first started using lenny |
| 00:59.02 | Luke3321 | its just never worked for me |
| 00:59.11 | llimeht | slicer_: that's not necessarily true |
| 00:59.12 | mewshi | Like, the newest version of pidgin is 2.5.2 and it's given me... 2.4.3? |
| 00:59.26 | slicer_ | Luke3321: i was using sarge in 2005, then there was problems |
| 00:59.39 | Luke3321 | well then its settled, etch->lenny upgrade works for everyone EXCEPT me |
| 00:59.44 | slicer_ | i did'nt have X for weeks |
| 00:59.53 | acidslep | err, where do i get nvidia module again? |
| 00:59.59 | Luke3321 | that was my main problem |
| 01:00.01 | llimeht | Luke3321: how does it fail. It's not a good thing if it doesn't work |
| 01:00.10 | llimeht | dpkg: tell acidslep about nvidia |
| 01:00.23 | Luke3321 | x never would install right |
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| 01:00.31 | Luke3321 | ssh wouldnt either |
| 01:00.38 | Luke3321 | havnt tried lately tho |
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| 01:01.07 | mewshi | is dist-upgrade automatically going to put me on lenny? o.o' |
| 01:01.11 | llimeht | Luke3321: sounds like you should read over the draft release notes and file an upgrade report if things don't work out (with lots of details) |
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| 01:02.02 | iLLf8d | lo all seems my gnome mute events arent being registered by gnome tho when I turn on the esd software mixer the first one is then no others are registered anyone have any idea where the bug is? |
| 01:02.05 | Luke3321 | llimeht: I will if an upgrade fails agian |
| 01:02.09 | Mundus | mewshi: After it's downloaded and set up upgrades for all the packages you've got installed |
| 01:02.26 | acidslep | llimeht, i dont have a browser or anything |
| 01:02.27 | llimeht | Luke3321: read the draft release notes first though. /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 01:02.40 | iLLf8d | lemme rephrase that they're being registered but whatever they're wrapped to is wrong or not being activated |
| 01:02.42 | Luke3321 | llimeht: Ill be sure to |
| 01:03.02 | ukatan | hey all, I've got another question. |
| 01:03.09 | ukatan | is there any way to install flash player 10 on debian etch? |
| 01:03.11 | mugwort13 | is there a channel dedicated to Debian-64bit ? |
| 01:03.13 | Luke3321 | yes |
| 01:03.18 | slicer_ | mewshi: if it fails just apt-get -f install, to fix problems |
| 01:03.25 | Luke3321 | get the install from adobe's website |
| 01:03.31 | Luke3321 | it comes with an installer |
| 01:03.31 | llimeht | ukatan: flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 01:03.33 | Luke3321 | works fine |
| 01:03.42 | llimeht | Luke3321: not usually a good plan |
| 01:03.47 | ukatan | llimeht, would I need to use -t debian-multimedia or something |
| 01:04.03 | llimeht | ukatan: no, that package is only on dmm. |
| 01:04.08 | Luke3321 | llimeht: Works for me and aton of people on debian forums |
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| 01:04.17 | ukatan | llimeht, one sec, I've tried this before and it gets wonky. |
| 01:04.34 | llimeht | Luke3321: it also breaks a lot of things. Do you by any chance use the nvidia installer too? |
| 01:04.42 | ukatan | Package flashplayer-mozilla is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:04.50 | Luke3321 | For the video drivers? |
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| 01:04.56 | amphi | mugwort13: #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:05.11 | llimeht | judd: versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 01:05.11 | judd | llimeht: flashplayer-mozilla: 1:9.0.124.0-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 01:05.16 | ukatan | the adobe one doesn't work for me anyways. firefox just complains about some outdated C lib and refuses to load flash |
| 01:05.28 | slicer_ | Luke3321: if you run into problems, apt-get -f install, that has fixed mine a few times. and i did over look it |
| 01:05.29 | ukatan | yeah.. so it's still 9 anyways :( |
| 01:05.46 | Luke3321 | slicer_: Yeah even that didnt work |
| 01:05.55 | zirikili | does anyone could help me with eclipse install? it always breaks and returns an error about libswt-mozilla-gtk-3236.so |
| 01:05.58 | llimeht | ukatan: do you have the debian-multimedia repo in your sources.list? (it's 10 for lenny) |
| 01:05.59 | hikenboot | heres a doc on making lennny much faster http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=31275 |
| 01:06.09 | ukatan | llimeht, indeed I do |
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| 01:06.59 | llimeht | ukatan: and have you run apt-get update (or aptitude update) since adding dmm? |
| 01:07.01 | Luke3321 | llimeht:There any reason not to use the NVIDIA installer for video drivers? |
| 01:07.17 | ukatan | llimeht, I should hope so, I've had dmm repos in my sources.list for well over 6 months now |
| 01:07.46 | llimeht | Luke3321: yes. If you can't get X to install for etch->lenny, there's a good chance that's why. /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks |
| 01:08.14 | spx2 | is there any software on linux(prefferably on debian) where I can specify a list of links and it just mirrors them from time to time ? like httrack ... but maybe better ? and this option also |
| 01:08.16 | Luke3321 | llimeht: It worked fine with me |
| 01:08.27 | Luke3321 | llimeht: I got a gcc version check error |
| 01:08.41 | llimeht | ukatan: I don't understand why your machine is claiming that flashplayer-mozilla doesn't exist. Can you pastebin the out of apt-cache policy flashplayer-mozilla for me? |
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| 01:08.44 | Luke3321 | llimeht: Just had to set the installer to use gcc-4.1 |
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| 01:08.55 | ukatan | sure. |
| 01:09.14 | llimeht | Luke3321: that's nice. Next time you have an xorg update, you have problems. And you can't successfully update to lenny. Related? |
| 01:09.40 | Luke3321 | llimeht: I tried upgrade to lenny of a clean etch install |
| 01:09.56 | zirikili | does anyone could help me with eclipse install? it always breaks and returns an error about libswt-mozilla-gtk-3236.so |
| 01:10.00 | Luke3321 | llimeht: In fact, I tried 8 times, and it failed every time |
| 01:10.12 | llimeht | Luke3321: let me put it this way, we have more people come in here with problems with the nvidia installer than reiserfs. We recommend you don't use it. |
| 01:10.28 | llimeht | Luke3321: and you filed bug reports on each of these? |
| 01:10.51 | Luke3321 | llimeht: No, no time, but I woulda had i had time |
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| 01:11.03 | ukatan | http://pastebin.ca/1240175 |
| 01:11.38 | Luke3321 | llimeht: And if I ever have problems with the NVIDIA installer, i will use the packeges from debian repos, but until then NVIDIA installers suit me fine |
| 01:11.40 | llimeht | Luke3321: I run etch->lenny on a weekly-ish basis to test it out and it has yet to fail. Unless you provide details, there's nothing anyone can do |
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| 01:12.01 | Luke3321 | llimeht: Im not asking for help.... |
| 01:12.04 | llimeht | Luke3321: undoing the mess the nvidia installer leaves is non-trivial. |
| 01:12.21 | mugwort13 | if I found a easy (yet not very open-source-like) way to get Adobe's flash to work on Debian -Lenny -amd64, is there a good place to post it to help other frustrated people? |
| 01:12.26 | llimeht | ukatan: looks like you have some pretty funky pinning in there... |
| 01:12.31 | medc | i made a aptitude upgrade, when it was done i restart the computer and when the system boot start it hang out and i got no response, the kernel i am using is the2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 01:12.40 | ukatan | yeah.. I have some weird stuff but it's only for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:12.49 | pgpkeys | is there a way to recall what specific debs were upgraded in the last like 12 hours? i did a dist-upgrade earlier. i know apt and libc6 were 2, but i forget the names of the others. there a way to pull that up? |
| 01:12.50 | Luke3321 | llimeht: Well, its too late now, the have been installed for 2 months now |
| 01:12.51 | ukatan | I can remove it |
| 01:12.53 | slicer_ | mugwort13: i got it to work |
| 01:13.05 | ukatan | I figured that might be the source of the problem |
| 01:13.23 | llimeht | ukatan: a pin of -1 prevents flashplugin-mozilla from being installed. "/msg dpkg pinning" for more info. |
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| 01:14.07 | cafuego | mugwort13: surely nspluginwrapper just works |
| 01:14.17 | medc | i have a laptop Gateway M6820 and on the button "f6" it appear the bluethoot sign, how could i checked if i have bluetooth? |
| 01:14.25 | medc | i made a aptitude upgrade, when it was done i restart the computer and when the system boot start it hang out and i got no response, the kernel i am using is the 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 01:14.31 | cafuego | medc: 'lsusb' probably |
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| 01:15.43 | Luke3321 | Ive yet to have a problem with an upgrade, only Dist-Upgrades |
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| 01:17.01 | medc | cafuego, http://pastebin.com/d3ff4533 |
| 01:17.22 | cafuego | no bluetooth in there |
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| 01:17.28 | spx2 | is there anything ... some kind of framework that indexes all documents on a directory and provides searching capabilities through a web front-end ? |
| 01:17.39 | pgpkeys | probably htdig |
| 01:18.05 | medc | cafuego, any idea about a problem with aptitude upgrade and now i cannot make a normal boot, i need to choose single user mode to start normally :\ |
| 01:18.08 | karsten | spx2: Yeah, it's used with dwww.... |
| 01:18.24 | ukatan | ok llimeht, I got flashplayer-mozilla installed, but it's still only version 9. |
| 01:18.30 | ukatan | how do I install version 10? |
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| 01:18.47 | karsten | spx2: Not sure if it's htdig or something else... |
| 01:18.47 | Alex____ | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 01:18.54 | Alex____ | woops |
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| 01:19.00 | spx2 | WWW search system for an intranet or small internet |
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| 01:19.01 | Alex____ | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 01:19.01 | spx2 | nice |
| 01:19.02 | LjL | !ops |
| 01:19.04 | dpkg | i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 01:19.04 | spx2 | seems good |
| 01:19.04 | medc | cafuego, ?? |
| 01:19.06 | Alex____ | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 01:19.10 | llimeht | !ops Alex____ is DCCing |
| 01:19.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: llimeht complains about: Alex____ is DCCing |
| 01:19.13 | pgpkeys | Alex____ - quit it |
| 01:19.16 | Alex____ | ok sorry |
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| 01:19.37 | beardy | That's a kline. |
| 01:19.37 | vorian | whois alex___ |
| 01:19.57 | llimeht | beardy: it would be if anyone were awake :S |
| 01:20.13 | beardy | llimeht: Yeah. |
| 01:20.21 | llimeht | ukatan: I don't think that's packaged up for etch. If Marillat hasn't packaged it for dmm, then it must be difficult/impossible to do. |
| 01:20.22 | karsten | thinks the ops factoid needs some trimming |
| 01:20.27 | medc | i made a aptitude upgrade, when it was done i restart the computer and when the system boot start it hang out and i got no response, the kernel i am using is the 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 01:20.37 | ukatan | damn. that's kind of what I thought. |
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| 01:20.51 | llimeht | karsten: yeah... the letters MIA come to mind. |
| 01:21.04 | ukatan | is there some semi-kludgy way I can do it without completely breaking everything? |
| 01:21.10 | ukatan | short of installing lenny? |
| 01:21.32 | karsten | spx2: swish++ and/or swish-e might also be appropriate. |
| 01:21.34 | llimeht | ukatan: nfc |
| 01:21.41 | ukatan | dang. |
| 01:21.46 | ukatan | oh well, thanks for your time anyways |
| 01:21.57 | ukatan | so question 2 |
| 01:21.58 | llimeht | ukatan: no worries. Good luck with it |
| 01:22.09 | ukatan | what are the odds that a lenny dist-upgrade will tragically destroy my system |
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| 01:22.30 | ukatan | there are a number of niggling issues with etch that have been pushing me to upgrade, I'm just too lazy |
| 01:22.30 | karsten | ukatan: Relatively low. But it could break things later. |
| 01:22.32 | Mundus | Is there any reason why nobody is suggesting the macromedia flash player plugin? |
| 01:22.33 | llimeht | ukatan: minimal, unless your box doesn't like the new kernel |
| 01:22.51 | ukatan | don't worry, I'm not going to come in here and flame if it breaks things :) |
| 01:22.56 | karsten | ukatan: We're pretty lcose to lenny release so this might be a good time to push over the edge. |
| 01:23.11 | karsten | ukatan: etch is pretty stale too, as a consequence. |
| 01:23.17 | ukatan | yeah, I've noticed |
| 01:23.22 | ukatan | 2.6.18, wooo |
| 01:23.25 | llimeht | Mundus: to whom and for what? (and macromedia doesn't exist any longer) |
| 01:23.28 | karsten | ukatan: That's Debian for you. |
| 01:23.37 | ukatan | I know, there are good and bad aspects. |
| 01:23.42 | karsten | ukatan: Hey, RHEL4 at work is still 2.6.9. |
| 01:23.47 | ukatan | but complaining about it is part of the debian experience too |
| 01:23.47 | ukatan | wow |
| 01:23.52 | llimeht | !comfort karsten |
| 01:23.53 | karsten | ukatan: Heh. |
| 01:23.53 | dpkg | There, there, karsten. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:24.00 | ukatan | hahaha |
| 01:24.00 | medc | which kernel is running good on lenny testing for a AMD64? |
| 01:24.01 | karsten | llimeht: Don't worry, it got better. |
| 01:24.07 | Mundus | llimeht: I'm talking about whatever link it is youtube gives you |
| 01:24.07 | ukatan | hmmm now I'm torn |
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| 01:24.27 | Mundus | That's how I do it with a fresh install |
| 01:24.35 | ukatan | well, hell. I'll do it |
| 01:24.39 | karsten | medc: I'm at 2.6.25-2, Intel32, suspect someone's going to tell me it's old. |
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| 01:24.45 | ukatan | what's the best way to do a dist-upgrade? |
| 01:24.49 | llimeht | Mundus: do what? |
| 01:24.50 | ukatan | change all my etches to lennys |
| 01:24.58 | llimeht | dpkg: tell ukatan about etch->lenny |
| 01:25.03 | ukatan | thanks! |
| 01:25.19 | Mundus | apt-get install iceweasel, open youtube in iceweasel and follow the download link it gives me |
| 01:25.20 | llimeht | ukatan: there are draft release notes, you should read them. (upgrade dpkg and aptitude first seems to be the current plan) |
| 01:25.33 | ukatan | that's what it looks like. |
| 01:25.46 | medc | karsten, i am running 2.6.26-1-amd64 but the system hang when bootin |
| 01:26.04 | karsten | medc: Where's it hang? What's it say? |
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| 01:26.15 | karsten | puts $5 on apic |
| 01:26.34 | medc | karsten, i try no put in the kernel load noapic but nothing happend |
| 01:26.56 | medc | karsten, let me log in with another pc and restart this one ok |
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| 01:28.26 | karsten | medc: Unless you give me the boot message(s) / error(s), there's not much I can do but guess. |
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| 01:29.09 | ukatan | well, here goes. |
| 01:29.11 | ukatan | wish me luck. |
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| 01:29.36 | karsten | throws ukatan a horeshoe |
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| 01:30.18 | dondelelcaro | !bless ukatan |
| 01:30.19 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child ukatan, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:30.19 | medc_pc | karsten, ok dude i am rebooting the system |
| 01:30.42 | ukatan | :> |
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| 01:31.42 | dondelelcaro | heh; forget that factoid had the "stupid" part in it |
| 01:31.43 | medc_pc | karsten, ok the system i hang nothing responds and the last line is [90.098131]ADDCONF(NETDEV_UP):eth0: link is not ready |
| 01:32.25 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: Q: perhaps s/stupid/ill advised/ ? |
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| 01:35.20 | mewshi | hey, how do I get X to start at boot? |
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| 01:36.48 | Vi^3PirePengy | mewshi: use kdm or gdm |
| 01:37.00 | Vi^3PirePengy | and rc-conf to set it up |
| 01:37.01 | Mundus | mewshi: Either install a desktop manager or make an rc script |
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| 01:38.03 | medc_pc | karsten,??? |
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| 01:45.57 | medc_pc | anyone can help me on this ? |
| 01:45.57 | medc_pc | http://pastebin.com/m3dc01e37 |
| 01:46.00 | medc_pc | those are the last line of my boot system an it hangs there |
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| 01:47.47 | micols | anyone successfully using scsiadd to add new scsi devices using hotplug ? |
| 01:48.20 | pipeline | medc_pc: nothing fishy there. Straight-up guess: disable apm, acpi, and apic ;) |
| 01:48.48 | micols | or .. better.. using dpt_i2o driver, i cannot get it to hotswap no matter what i do |
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| 01:49.18 | medc_pc | pipeline, in the boot line on grub no acpi no apic no apm? |
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| 01:51.27 | pipeline | medc_pc: acpi=off apm=off noapic nolapic |
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| 01:57.47 | medc_pc | pipeline, still hang up :| nothing happend |
| 01:58.01 | pipeline | medc_pc: ouch. |
| 01:58.20 | medc_pc | dont like pipeline ouch |
| 01:58.36 | medc_pc | pipeline, plan b? |
| 01:58.41 | pipeline | medc_pc: that was plan b |
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| 01:58.52 | medc_pc | pipeline, damm :\ |
| 01:59.21 | medc_pc | pipeline, what else can i do?....actually i can log on but using the single user mod |
| 02:00.14 | pipeline | medc_pc: what, single user works? |
| 02:00.17 | pipeline | medc_pc: that's not good. |
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| 02:00.34 | pipeline | medc_pc: log on with single user, wait fifteen minutes or so, then cat /proc/interrupts. pastebin.ca. I'll respond in a half hour or so. |
| 02:00.35 | medc_pc | pipeline, yeap single user works |
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| 02:01.27 | medc_pc | ok |
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| 02:03.55 | _freebird | you guys, I've squid running on a debian box, I've created a tranparent proxy, so to have that working, I must set in the windows clients the gateway being the server, when I do that, teh internet stops, because the gateway is my router, how do I do that ??? |
| 02:04.11 | _freebird | if I try to set 2 gateways, it doesn't work |
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| 02:05.04 | acidslep | whats the package name that should configure for X again? |
| 02:05.13 | pipeline | _freebird: You mean two default gateways. |
| 02:05.31 | pipeline | _freebird: gateways work based on destination network. For any given destination, you can have exactly one local gateway. |
| 02:05.43 | _freebird | pipeline I've added the router ip and the squid server proxy ip as gateways, but it wont work |
| 02:05.46 | pipeline | _freebird: now here's the great bit: for destination networks for which you don't have a gateway, you use a special gateway, the "default gateway" |
| 02:05.57 | medc_pc | pipeline, i need to wait 15 min???? |
| 02:06.01 | pipeline | _freebird: The thing is, you can only have one special "fallback" gateway... only one "default" gateway. |
| 02:06.06 | pipeline | medc_pc: yeah, we're kinda looking for hardware failure |
| 02:06.33 | _freebird | so how's that |
| 02:06.36 | _freebird | sorry |
| 02:06.38 | pipeline | _freebird: so the transparent proxy host needs to be the only default gateway |
| 02:06.38 | _freebird | any suggestion ?? |
| 02:06.52 | _freebird | I see, |
| 02:06.56 | medc_pc | pipeline, ok i will wait, anyway this laptop was working good until i did the aptitude upgrade |
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| 02:06.59 | pipeline | _freebird: ok, so normally you specify a gateway and a network together... a gateway is for a particular net. You're talking about default gateways, gateways that are valid for all networks. |
| 02:07.09 | pipeline | _freebird: you can only have one default gateway. |
| 02:07.16 | stew | you can have multiple default gateways, but only one per routing table, if you need multiple default gateways, you need multiple routing tables (and rules to choose between them) |
| 02:07.22 | stew | (/msg dpkg split access) |
| 02:07.26 | pipeline | stew: this is windows, only one routing table :P |
| 02:07.49 | stew | oh, i know nothing about windows networking |
| 02:08.13 | _freebird | pipeline, so the only way I can have a transparent proxy running is if the rpoxy server is also a gateway server ?:? |
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| 02:08.24 | pickcoder | knows too much about windoze sockets, unfortunately |
| 02:08.45 | pipeline | _freebird: well obviously it needs to be the gateway, or else it isn't transparent, now is it? :P |
| 02:09.14 | pipeline | _freebird: in general, transparent proxies fucking suck. You're better off with SOCKS + WPAD |
| 02:09.14 | _freebird | I see, tks for that pipeline |
| 02:09.35 | pipeline | _freebird: the problem is that lots of apps that are well-behaved with an explicit SOCKS or explicit HTTP proxy fail mysteriously with a transparent proxy |
| 02:09.36 | _freebird | pipeline, why suck ?? and what is socks = wpad ?? |
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| 02:10.06 | _freebird | pipeline, I understand |
| 02:10.20 | pipeline | _freebird: SOCKS is the protocol for proxying arbitrary TCP traffic. WPAD is the protocol for proxy auto-discovery. You don't actually need WPAD, just I find when people set up transparent proxies, they usually just want to avoid the trouble of configuring clients. WPAD is a solution to that problem that does not involve the troubles of transparent proxying. |
| 02:10.29 | acidslep | woo!!! |
| 02:11.04 | acidslep | to the people assisting me before, i got the X default little pixels thingy to show up! woo! |
| 02:11.15 | pipeline | that's a triumphant moment |
| 02:11.22 | _freebird | pipeline, brb |
| 02:11.27 | _freebird | pipeline, tks a lot |
| 02:11.28 | pipeline | nothing is more satisfying than the eye-searing X default background when you've been fighting it |
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| 02:14.17 | Rockj | In which package can I find "mail" in Debian? |
| 02:15.23 | amphi | !tell Rockj -about search |
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| 02:17.02 | dustybin | mailutils - GNU mailutils utilities for handling mail |
| 02:17.36 | dustybin | or mailx |
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| 02:18.27 | Rockj | amphi, didn't know about dpkg -S - nice. |
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| 02:21.15 | Zaerath | When I attempt to open alsamixergui, I get the alsamixer error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device. |
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| 02:21.47 | tengulre | where can download AC'97 driver? |
| 02:21.49 | amphi | sounds like no driver is loaded for your card |
| 02:22.19 | Zaerath | Could anyone assist me in locating the driver for my card - or telling me how to list the module it needs? |
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| 02:25.13 | medc | pipeline, http://www.pastebin.ca/1240227 |
| 02:25.16 | tnks | I've got a process that won't die with 'kill -9 $PID' |
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| 02:25.24 | tnks | is a reboot my only remaining recourse? |
| 02:25.30 | tnks | or is there something softer I can do? |
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| 02:26.44 | medc | !bless medc_pc |
| 02:26.44 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child medc_pc, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:27.10 | medc | pipeline, ???? |
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| 02:28.08 | gumarti | please, is there any chat room about BIND9 specificaly? |
| 02:28.09 | adb_ | tnks: try >>> killall -e "nameprocess" |
| 02:28.47 | medc | anyone can help me on this one ? http://www.pastebin.ca/1240227 |
| 02:29.03 | jpinx | when I do a net instal and ask for basic system and laptop, the install finishes and reboots fine, but it's not connected and I can't continue. What to do? |
| 02:29.25 | adb_ | medc: wait for pipeline |
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| 02:32.31 | slicer_ | jpinx: you need to get online :) |
| 02:32.50 | jpinx | slicer_: how? |
| 02:33.03 | tnks | adb_: sorry, killall wasn't much more effective than the kill. |
| 02:33.22 | gumarti | jpinx: try to understand why it is not connecting. |
| 02:33.26 | tnks | (am I at "reboot" as my only option?) |
| 02:33.53 | slicer_ | jpinx: i had this proble before, i googled and fixed it |
| 02:34.00 | jpinx | gumarti: when I do a full install including desktop - it reboots and connects |
| 02:34.02 | slicer_ | try ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 02:34.16 | slicer_ | and see what it says |
| 02:34.18 | jpinx | slicer_ ok - thanks:D |
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| 02:34.43 | jpinx | reboots into the other hdd again. |
| 02:34.45 | drazak | does anyone in here know about debtakeover? |
| 02:35.20 | slicer_ | jpinx: "ifconfig eth0 up" and "/etc/init.d/networking force-reload" |
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| 02:35.38 | Mundus | Or just ifup eth0 |
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| 02:36.10 | slicer_ | he's gone hehehe |
| 02:36.51 | adb_ | tnks: what's this funny process ? |
| 02:37.01 | James11233 | hey guys, I'm trying to build a kernel module here and I'm getting a lot of "error: invalid use of undefined type âstruct moduleâ".... it's my understanding that struct modules are defined in linux/module.h.... is there something I'm missing here? some package that needs to be installed? I've got the kernel headers and sources |
| 02:37.07 | James11233 | and gcc/glibc etc |
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| 02:39.22 | tnks | adb_: I use Debian, really, I do. . . but this is "rpm". . . on Linux 2.4.21 RHEL3 machines. |
| 02:39.51 | tnks | I just tend to ask my GNU/Linux questions on this channel because it's my personal distro. |
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| 02:41.08 | adb_ | tnks: i dunoo than |
| 02:42.23 | adb_ | try #Linux |
| 02:42.45 | Mundus | #linuxhelp would be better I guess |
| 02:42.58 | tnks | adb_: thanks. I was just thinking that. |
| 02:43.09 | adb_ | welcome |
| 02:44.06 | adb_ | uot of curiosity , why a personal distro based 2.4.21 RHEL3 ? |
| 02:44.14 | adb_ | *out |
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| 02:46.47 | jpinx | When I finish a base install and reboot it is not online, and "ifconfig eth0 up" tells me "no such device". Any clues anyone? |
| 02:46.54 | medc | pipeline, any info??? |
| 02:47.08 | Mundus | jpinx: What does ifconfig tell you? |
| 02:47.17 | kop | jpinx : "ifconfig -a" |
| 02:47.25 | Mundus | Does it list both lo and eth0 ? |
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| 02:48.01 | jpinx | I have to shut down and change hdd's and reboot to try stuff, so I would really appreciate some options how to get this done. |
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| 02:48.58 | jpinx | kop: if I do ifconfig -a what am I expecting and how do I use the answers? |
| 02:49.16 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.57 | kop | jpinx : Hard to tell without more info. The basic question is "does the system see the interface". The answer is in ifconfig and lspci. (And perhaps in dmesg and the system console at boot.) |
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| 02:50.39 | Sertse | any one got an error when installing flash? |
| 02:50.41 | jpinx | kop: ok - and if it does see the interface, what do I do to connect? |
| 02:50.42 | pickcoder | lspci should be first to see if the device is even recognized and supported, unless you already know the network device ID and vendor ID |
| 02:51.10 | pickcoder | boot a live CD and see if it works |
| 02:51.47 | kop | jpinx : You got network when running the installer? |
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| 02:52.11 | Sertse | Because thats its getting me. hmm. Manually install from abode, closes firefox automatically when it tries to play. |
| 02:52.15 | jpinx | Kop: yes |
| 02:52.33 | jpinx | Ooops -- kop ^^ |
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| 02:53.28 | jpinx | kop: to be more exact - I got the pcmcia working and that's my eth..... |
| 02:53.59 | pickcoder | jpinx: which installer image did you use? |
| 02:54.03 | kop | jpinx : Perhaps use rescue mode in the installer cd to install a newer kernel. What version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:55.41 | jpinx | used a CD burned about a week ago for the base system network install |
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| 02:58.28 | jpinx | kop: I'm doing a series of installs, but this is the first one I need to be really tight, so it's a base-system only and I'll add the bits of X etc I need by apt |
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| 02:59.18 | ``y7 | is there a channel i can go to to ask questions about firewalls? |
| 02:59.34 | amphi | #linuxhelp perhaps |
| 02:59.42 | ``y7 | ty |
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| 02:59.49 | kop | jpinx : What version of debian? |
| 03:00.05 | jpinx | ``y7: #linux maybe |
| 03:00.12 | jpinx | kop - etch |
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| 03:00.40 | kop | jpinx : You could try the etchnhalf kernel. (via the install cd as a rescue cd.) |
| 03:01.00 | b-04 | hi |
| 03:01.03 | b-04 | im using e17 |
| 03:01.13 | b-04 | how to change the window background color |
| 03:01.14 | jpinx | kop: ok ta |
| 03:01.19 | b-04 | and font |
| 03:01.29 | jpinx | kop - I'll reboot and play around some more |
| 03:01.48 | jpinx | kop: thanks |
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| 03:02.05 | pickcoder | if the installer detected it then the default kernel should work |
| 03:05.11 | medc | pipeline, dude where are ya? |
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| 03:06.25 | medc | anyone can help me on this one ? http://www.pastebin.ca/1240227 |
| 03:06.57 | medc | msg dpkg |
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| 03:08.58 | kop | medc: What's the problem there? |
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| 03:10.27 | medc | kop, i have problem booting up my normal session and all i can do is boot as single user mod cause my normal boot is hang everytime, so pipeline told me to cat the interrup to see if something is abnormal |
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| 03:11.41 | jpinx | wkop: ifconfig -a tells me that it's not seeing my PCMCIA eth card :( |
| 03:11.50 | jpinx | kop ^^ |
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| 03:12.39 | _freebird | pipeline, are you still arround ?? |
| 03:14.55 | kop | jpinx: There's lspci... But.... |
| 03:15.26 | jpinx | kop: lspci didn't show it either |
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| 03:16.39 | kop | jpinx : I'm not certain that lspci shows pcmcia, although I'd expect it to be something on the pci bus. (Yet, the installer must see it.) |
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| 03:16.53 | adb_ | medc: my guess , install as newer kernel , and try it |
| 03:17.14 | jpinx | kop: when I do a full install including desktop - it finds the PCMCIA card and connects and reboots connected |
| 03:17.26 | jpinx | so the kernel is not an issue I believe |
| 03:18.13 | kop | jpinx : So, it's something about a base-system only install. |
| 03:18.45 | jpinx | kop: it seems to be that base-only install doesn't find the PCMCIA ethernet card |
| 03:18.58 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.04 | jpinx | so I need to do that manually afterwards - somehow.. |
| 03:19.06 | slicer_ | or there is no dhcp-client installed |
| 03:19.28 | kop | slicer_ : He does not see the nic at all with lspci or ifconfig. |
| 03:19.34 | slicer_ | oh |
| 03:19.40 | jpinx | slicer_ either way - I need to get connected before i can fix it.. Chicken and egg ;) |
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| 03:19.55 | kop | jpinx : Well, you can do that during the install. |
| 03:19.59 | adb_ | jpinx: what kernel ? |
| 03:20.37 | jpinx | adb_ whatever was on the netinstall CD download a week ago |
| 03:20.40 | medc | adb_, how? i mean apt-get mode? |
| 03:20.59 | adb_ | medc: uname -r |
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| 03:21.39 | medc | adb_,2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 03:22.07 | adb_ | jpinx: installer ask about configuring net , i tho |
| 03:22.31 | jpinx | adb_: yes |
| 03:22.36 | slicer_ | medc: nice kernel :) |
| 03:22.36 | adb_ | medc: hmm , i donno than |
| 03:23.15 | jpinx | adb_: but it apparently doesn't install the relevant pkg to make it work |
| 03:23.33 | medc | slicer_, do u know how to reinstall it? |
| 03:23.33 | adb_ | jpinx: uname -r |
| 03:23.36 | slicer_ | jpinx: can't you manually select packages? |
| 03:23.47 | jpinx | slicer_ no |
| 03:23.48 | slicer_ | you can on the ful install cd |
| 03:23.54 | slicer_ | full* |
| 03:24.03 | medc | slicer_, i dont have cd |
| 03:24.08 | slicer_ | oh |
| 03:24.11 | jpinx | slicer_ I am working off the netinstall CD |
| 03:24.30 | kop | jpinx : You can use an alternate console and run apt-get during the install process manually. |
| 03:24.38 | slicer_ | jpinx: yeah would be good enough, but you should install dhcp-client aswell |
| 03:24.45 | kop | jpinx : (You might have to chroot) |
| 03:25.04 | jpinx | will need to spend a couple of days learning how |
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| 03:25.23 | jpinx | it'd be quicker to doa full install and remove the packages I don't want |
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| 03:26.17 | kop | jpinx : The only hard part would be knowing what package to install. |
| 03:26.36 | adb_ | jpinx: remove the packages I don't want ? that's you problem |
| 03:27.00 | medc_ | adb_, so u think reinstalling the kernel will solve the problem |
| 03:27.03 | jpinx | kop - for example - for some reason debian installs exim in the base system - crazy |
| 03:27.06 | adb_ | you made that before , so noe missing ones |
| 03:27.20 | kop | jpinx: (Otherwise, do ctrl-alt-f2 (or Fsomething) to get an alternate console . Then (iirc) "chroot /target". then "apt-get install foo") |
| 03:27.48 | kop | jpinx : It's not crazy to have _some_ mta, so cron can email you if nothing else. |
| 03:27.54 | jpinx | kop: I'll need to read up all about chroot in alternate consoles....... |
| 03:28.16 | segosa | does anyone know a gui application (gnome) for managing power settings (like cpu clock speed depending on if connected to AC or not etc) |
| 03:28.20 | slicer_ | kop: dont think he can chroot off net-install, cos fs is read-only? |
| 03:28.24 | jpinx | kop: there are lightweight MTA's that would do that - if it is deemed "essential" |
| 03:28.26 | segosa | for a laptop obviously |
| 03:28.31 | adb_ | medc: try "apt-get update " and than " apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64" |
| 03:29.18 | kop | slicer_ : The net-install mounts the target disk rw. You chroot into that. |
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| 03:29.51 | jpinx | kop: but aside from that - I will read man chroot, man install, etc and see what happend |
| 03:29.56 | jpinx | *happens |
| 03:32.10 | kop | jpinx : The debian install manual at debian.org. |
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| 03:32.48 | TiMiDo | hey can someone tell me how to apply a program patch? |
| 03:32.54 | jpinx | kop: that too -- thanks :) |
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| 03:33.57 | kop | TiMiDo : Check out "man patch". But you might tell the channel what you're really trying to do. |
| 03:34.11 | TiMiDo | kop patching a program |
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| 03:35.41 | TiMiDo | patch xmms-1.2.10-gcc4-1.patch |
| 03:35.46 | TiMiDo | that's what i've did. |
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| 03:36.45 | adb_ | TiMiDo: on lenny ? |
| 03:36.52 | TiMiDo | yeah adb |
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| 03:37.35 | adb_ | xmms works well on lennu , i tho |
| 03:37.42 | adb_ | lenny* |
| 03:38.08 | TiMiDo | adb, where can i get the deb though? |
| 03:38.12 | TiMiDo | is there any xmms debs? |
| 03:38.13 | acidslep | goodnight! |
| 03:38.39 | adb_ | TiMiDo: apt-get install xmms |
| 03:38.49 | TiMiDo | no such package |
| 03:39.01 | adb_ | on lenny ? |
| 03:39.07 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 03:39.09 | TiMiDo | it was remove |
| 03:39.49 | adb_ | ah, try, xmms2 |
| 03:40.06 | TiMiDo | is not GUI though |
| 03:40.23 | adb_ | sure it is |
| 03:40.34 | TiMiDo | hmmmm nope is not |
| 03:40.56 | TiMiDo | how do i open it though. with GUI option? |
| 03:41.06 | adb_ | XMMS2 is a redesign of the XMMS music player. It features a client-server model, allowing multiple (even simultaneous!) user interfaces, both textual and graphica |
| 03:41.10 | adb_ | l |
| 03:41.42 | TiMiDo | hmmm okey |
| 03:41.48 | TiMiDo | but how do i open it with GUI? |
| 03:42.07 | adb_ | it is im menu |
| 03:42.21 | TiMiDo | Hmm let's see |
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| 03:42.26 | SJrX | Recently I've had a problem where playing movies from my Samba box, keeps locking up and freezing for a few seconds every 15 minutes or so. The load average on the server is not spiking, all SMB traffic is blocked but network traffic seems fine to the box. I tried downgrading samba, but no luck which means I'm not sure if it's Windows XP, or Samba/Linux. Thoughts of what I can do |
| 03:42.57 | adb_ | TiMiDo: or type "xmms2 " in a terminal |
| 03:43.10 | TiMiDo | i do not see xmms2 on the menu |
| 03:43.30 | adb_ | it will be on next login |
| 03:44.08 | adb_ | fore now use terminal |
| 03:44.22 | adb_ | for* |
| 03:44.26 | TiMiDo | when i used it on terminal. it says available commands |
| 03:44.31 | TiMiDo | add and so on |
| 03:44.46 | TiMiDo | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-129983.html |
| 03:44.57 | TiMiDo | it says there that there is no graphical clients yet for gnome or KDE |
| 03:45.33 | adb_ | install it first |
| 03:45.41 | TiMiDo | i did installed it |
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| 03:46.19 | Linuturk | I've got a weird problem |
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| 03:47.59 | Linuturk | I've got a dell poweredge sc440, and I've stuck a PCI IDE controller in this with two drives. It also has 1 SATA drive in it, where I've installed debian etch. I've confirmed the boot order about 27 times. The system keeps saying "missing operating system" I just don't know |
| 03:48.17 | Linuturk | btw, I've tried setting up a software RAID on the two drives on the IDE controller |
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| 03:48.23 | adb_ | TiMiDo: ok, i see , install audacious than |
| 03:48.37 | kop | Linuturk : You're only running debian on the box? |
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| 03:48.50 | Linuturk | kop, yes |
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| 03:48.57 | TiMiDo | though so. |
| 03:49.16 | Linuturk | my main drive is sda, but grub says it is installing to hd0 kop |
| 03:49.42 | kop | Linuturk : You may have trashed the mbr. To fix it you need to re-install the boot loader. (grub uses a different naming for drives than everything else.) |
| 03:50.16 | jpinx | kop: the manual is singularly silent on pcmcia ethernet... No help at all - and there is now apparent way to select specific packages for installation during install |
| 03:50.38 | Linuturk | kop, how do I re-install the mbr? |
| 03:50.43 | jpinx | though it did tell me that the output of the install goes to tty4 - so it can be watched |
| 03:50.48 | karsten | Linuturk: fdisk /mbr |
| 03:51.16 | kop | karsten : Unfunny. |
| 03:51.17 | Linuturk | can I do that from the console on the installer? |
| 03:52.27 | kop | Linuturk : I think he was joking. The grub info pages have the full information. |
| 03:52.37 | kop | Linuturk : You're using grub? |
| 03:52.48 | Linuturk | yeah, grub |
| 03:53.42 | karsten | Linuturk: ... assuming dos MBR, I just rejoined. May be wrong. |
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| 03:54.03 | Linuturk | I did have freebsd on here before |
| 03:54.18 | karsten | Linuturk: IIRC grub-install |
| 03:54.34 | Linuturk | right, the installer does that at the end |
| 03:55.05 | kop | Linuturk : But you since put on raid1? |
| 03:55.07 | Linuturk | I've done this about 5 times so far |
| 03:55.34 | kop | Linuturk : Separate boot partition? |
| 03:55.52 | Linuturk | nope |
| 03:55.55 | medc_ | pipeline, dude are you there? |
| 03:55.59 | Linuturk | arg |
| 03:56.03 | Linuturk | this is annoying |
| 03:56.04 | karsten | Linuturk: I'm checking /lastlog.... |
| 03:56.06 | adb_ | Linuturk: i'm not sure about etch support fore sata , try lenny install |
| 03:56.20 | adb_ | for* sata |
| 03:56.39 | karsten | Linuturk: Um. Are you trying to install GRUB on the SW RAID device? |
| 03:57.07 | Linuturk | adb, well, I had debian installed on this guy a while back (etch). The only thing that's chaged is the addition of the PCI ide controller, which is last in the boot order |
| 03:57.08 | kop | Linuturk : Thing is, you probably want to read "info grub" "installing -> installing grub natively". It usually comes down to "grub", "root (hd0,0)" "setup (hd0)". |
| 03:57.27 | Linuturk | karsten, no, I'm not trying to install grub on the sw raid |
| 03:57.29 | karsten | Linuturk: Note too that GRUB uses its own device specifications which are generally *not* the same as your OS's view of disks and partitions. |
| 03:57.33 | karsten | Linuturk: OK. |
| 03:57.48 | Linuturk | no other OS on this karsten |
| 03:58.01 | Linuturk | it looks like this pci card might be hijacking the boot process |
| 03:58.02 | smacnay | Can anyone vouch for xmms2 as a solid full-featured music app? |
| 03:58.13 | Linuturk | stabs it |
| 03:58.21 | karsten | Linuturk: OS vs. GRUB. GRUB sees hd0,0, hd0,1, ... hd1,0, hd1,1, ... |
| 03:58.22 | kop | Linuturk : It might be one of those wacky bios setting issues. |
| 03:58.54 | karsten | Linuturk: /boot/grub/device.map should show these devices. |
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| 03:59.03 | karsten | smacnay: No. |
| 03:59.09 | karsten | smacnay: amarok, OTOH, is. |
| 03:59.12 | kop | karsten : Good point. |
| 03:59.27 | smacnay | karsten: thanks - I respect your opinion |
| 03:59.29 | karsten | smacnay: Actually, xmms is usable, but amarok is much, much, much better. |
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| 03:59.58 | smacnay | karsten: yes, I hear a lot about amarok but am not sure I want to use it in Gnome... |
| 04:00.01 | adb_ | Linuturk: http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml |
| 04:00.13 | matiu | How can I 'reset dpkg' so it doesn't keep trying to re-isntall a half-configured package ? |
| 04:00.14 | karsten | smacnay: Well, then you've got another problem ;-) |
| 04:00.23 | IamSOG | is it safe to remove the start up shortcut from /etc/rc.xd/xxxx.local if I know I no longer need that module/service ? |
| 04:00.25 | smacnay | karsten: hehe - yes I do |
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| 04:01.20 | karsten | smacnay: I'm not sure if GNOME's got a comperable music app. I generally prefer KDE to GNOME (though not for all apps). Run Wmaker as my desktop FWIW. |
| 04:02.37 | smacnay | karsten: thanks - I have played with kde, wm, blackbox, openbox, etc. and have sort of settled on gnome. I am actually apprecative of its simplicity and find I spend less time making endless tweaks to apps and more time procrastinating. |
| 04:03.04 | jpinx | smacnay: tried xfce4? |
| 04:03.08 | smacnay | karsten: I do like a lot of the kde apps and integration, though. Amarok is just one. Digikam is another. |
| 04:03.23 | smacnay | jpinx: yes |
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| 04:03.35 | smacnay | jpinx: I liked it too... |
| 04:03.36 | torrrr | for some reason, insert is turned on sometimes, and I don't press insert |
| 04:03.36 | karsten | smacnay: Similar logic and process here, it's a decade-long choice. Just re-made it on a fresh Kubuntu install. |
| 04:03.51 | karsten | Linuturk: Any progress? |
| 04:03.53 | torrrr | I don't understand how it happens |
| 04:04.15 | smacnay | karsten: I am not saying I won't be using kde some time in the future (maybe when 4.0 is stable and standard in my Debian repos). |
| 04:04.17 | Linuturk | karsten, nope |
| 04:04.23 | jpinx | smacnay: it's much lighter weight - important for my situation |
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| 04:04.33 | Linuturk | karsten, I'm trying to boot knoppix to it to see what it is doing to the drives |
| 04:04.52 | peterius | I replaced libssl and libcrypto with latest version, but some apps report "no version information available" for them, how can I fix this? |
| 04:05.06 | smacnay | jpinx: yes, it is but I found that when I started running a bunch of apps, it sort of caught up to gnome in resource usage. |
| 04:05.10 | amphi | smacnay: FWIW, quodlibet is quite a pleasant music program |
| 04:05.26 | smacnay | amphi: thanks - I have never tried it. |
| 04:05.31 | amphi | smacnay: pygtk based |
| 04:06.05 | smacnay | amphi: python based... hmmmmm |
| 04:06.11 | jpinx | smacnay: interesting, but I am on limited resources and used to not running too much at once. |
| 04:06.16 | amphi | hmmm? |
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| 04:07.08 | smacnay | karsten: back to my music app question... I have been running rhythmbox and don't mind it - also mpd for a different flavour of organizing music. |
| 04:07.22 | Rusty1 | likes exhaile , also python based IIRC |
| 04:07.52 | Linuturk | looks like debian is doing it right karsten, but the pci ide controller seems to be stopping it |
| 04:07.53 | smacnay | Rusty1: I tried it but found that it crashed more than I could put up with - some time ago now... |
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| 04:08.23 | Sertse | hi |
| 04:11.29 | karsten | smacnay: IIRC rhythmbox is the GNOME music player, right? Any objections to it? |
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| 04:12.55 | karsten | Linuturk: My read of your problem is that GNOME is never even found. That suggests that the BIOS isn't finding any MBR, as was suggested. 'grub-install /dev/sda' should be what you want, I think. |
| 04:13.10 | Sertse | Hello. sound option but registering w/ kde. |
| 04:13.24 | Sertse | goes to hdaintel instead of cmpci which is what I need. |
| 04:13.30 | karsten | Sertse: Um, that's not a question. |
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| 04:13.59 | Linuturk | karsten, well, I mounted the drive, and /boot/grub is intact and correct. the pci card seems to be hijacking the boot |
| 04:14.26 | karsten | Linuturk: That sounds like a BIOS/stup issue then. |
| 04:14.45 | karsten | Linuturk: ... and a damned strange one at that. |
| 04:15.08 | Sertse | ok. I'm on debian kde. Sound isn't working. Options in KDE control don't seem to pick it up. I can get it from alsaconf after each start up, but that's ehhh. |
| 04:15.12 | Linuturk | yeah, it's weird. the bios is set to only boot CD then SATA |
| 04:15.16 | Linuturk | karsten, |
| 04:15.29 | Sertse | I'm assuming it's picking the wrong card. (hda intel instead of cmpici)....) |
| 04:15.47 | karsten | Sertse: Do you get an error when trying to play sound from dmline? Eg: with sox? |
| 04:15.56 | karsten | Sertse: Otherwise: check your mixer settings. |
| 04:16.21 | karsten | Sertse: Two soundcards? |
| 04:16.26 | Linuturk | karsten, it's a Promise Ultra100TX2 |
| 04:16.28 | adb_ | Linuturk: check BIOS, PCI activate |
| 04:16.30 | Linuturk | the pci card |
| 04:16.55 | Sertse | hda intel is integrated. cmpici is my real one.. |
| 04:16.56 | Linuturk | adb_, the problem is, the card is trying to boot before my SATA drive |
| 04:16.57 | karsten | Linuturk: Is that one of Promise's RAID cards, or just a SATA controller? |
| 04:17.07 | Linuturk | karsten, it's an IDE controller |
| 04:17.11 | Linuturk | not RAID |
| 04:17.27 | karsten | Linuturk: IDE or SATA? |
| 04:17.32 | Linuturk | IDE |
| 04:17.35 | adb_ | ide |
| 04:17.40 | karsten | googles. |
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| 04:17.58 | adb_ | Linuturk: http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml |
| 04:18.05 | Linuturk | this is in a poweredge sc440 from dell |
| 04:18.26 | karsten | adb_: I'm impressed Dell does Debian pages. |
| 04:18.46 | Linuturk | adb_, yeah, that doesn't help |
| 04:18.52 | Linuturk | adb_, this isn't any of those devices |
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| 04:19.06 | Linuturk | adb_, it isn't any of those RAID cards, and ethernet works fine |
| 04:19.11 | karsten | http://www.promise.com/marketing/datasheet/file/1_u100tx2_en.pdf |
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| 04:20.31 | Linuturk | karsten, that's exactly it |
| 04:24.07 | karsten | Linuturk: OK. Well, it should present as /dev/hda then, unless the Promise is doing SCSI emulo. I'm not specifically familiar with that kit. |
| 04:24.32 | karsten | notes idly that LWN's list of Linux distros now numbers 553: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
| 04:24.34 | Linuturk | http://kb.promise.com/article.aspx?id=27 << the closest thing I see, but my bios sees the individual drives, and they are disabled on the boot karsten adb_ |
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| 04:27.14 | smacnay | karsten: Actually, I like rhythmbox quite a bit but am always looking for something better. |
| 04:28.00 | karsten | smacnay: I think you've found it for now. |
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| 04:28.27 | smacnay | karsten: yes, things "work", which I like |
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| 04:33.19 | Linuturk | karsten, weird. Ubuntu is detecting the drives slightly different in the installer. |
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| 04:37.09 | karsten | Linuturk: It's known to happen. |
| 04:37.37 | Linuturk | well, karsten, ubuntu is showing all three as sdx |
| 04:37.50 | Linuturk | debian was showing 1 sda and two hdx |
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| 04:41.01 | Linuturk | karsten, ubuntu is booting |
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| 04:48.54 | stoned | hey |
| 04:49.04 | stoned | why does dns take so long to propagate |
| 04:49.10 | stoned | like up to 48 hours |
| 04:49.39 | karsten | stoned: TTLs, timeouts, and bad servers. |
| 04:49.43 | adb_ | usealy it take a week(end) |
| 04:49.47 | karsten | stoned: That's pretty much par for the course. |
| 04:49.48 | adb_ | ;) |
| 04:50.03 | karsten | adb_: Except in Africa. |
| 04:50.10 | karsten | adb_: ... where it takes a weekend and a family. |
| 04:50.16 | adb_ | ah , right ! |
| 04:50.22 | karsten | ... or was it a village? |
| 04:50.35 | adb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.22 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.23 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.11 | liable | are you the construction worker or policeman? |
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| 04:54.53 | stoned | hey |
| 04:54.56 | stoned | wtf |
| 04:55.16 | stoned | oh ymca |
| 04:55.17 | stoned | hah |
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| 04:57.04 | karsten | liable: That leaves out about four options: http://www.ivexpo.com/images/VILLAGE_PEOPLE_1.jpg |
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| 04:58.16 | TODs | ´Õ¤ÃѺ |
| 04:58.20 | TODs | hi |
| 04:58.57 | ryty | what's the best way to turn down the sensitivity on my mouse? |
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| 04:59.38 | JyZyXEL | | | /| ~~~~~ |__| |¨¨ | /| |¨¨| \ / \_/ |
| 04:59.38 | JyZyXEL | | |/ | | | | |__ |/ | |''| \/ | |
| 04:59.56 | liable | uh |
| 05:00.52 | karsten | ryty: make it work for a living and pay its own rent for a couple of years .... |
| 05:01.02 | ryty | har |
| 05:01.10 | karsten | ryty: Usually GNOME and/or KDE have a mouse configuration utility, as do other window managers. |
| 05:01.48 | liable | xset iirc too |
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| 05:02.35 | seriouslycgi | im having real problems getting flashplayer 10 installed on etch on a pentium4, is there anyone who can point me in the right direction? |
| 05:02.52 | stoned | there is a flashplayer 10 |
| 05:02.54 | stoned | ? |
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| 05:03.02 | stoned | damn |
| 05:03.11 | karsten | stoned: From Adobe, not packaged yet. |
| 05:03.16 | seriouslycgi | yeah since the 5th of oct i think |
| 05:03.26 | karsten | !win liable |
| 05:03.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:03.39 | stoned | karsten, what about the package from dmm |
| 05:03.42 | liable | \o/ |
| 05:03.42 | JyZyXEL | o m g |
| 05:03.44 | stoned | hm |
| 05:03.53 | karsten | stoned: ?? |
| 05:04.02 | JyZyXEL | winwinwinwin |
| 05:04.09 | seriouslycgi | has anyone installed the flash plugin 10 on etch yet? |
| 05:04.30 | seriouslycgi | its says it installs but its just not in the plugins list |
| 05:04.35 | stoned | Version: 9.0.124.0-0.0 |
| 05:04.39 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, it requires an upgrade of libc among several other things |
| 05:04.42 | stoned | thats the one from lenny's dmm |
| 05:04.50 | stoned | let me see what the sid one has |
| 05:05.09 | seriouslycgi | kunwon1, have you installed it? |
| 05:05.13 | erawfish | http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 05:05.27 | erawfish | is "not packaged yet" that hard to understand? |
| 05:05.35 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, no. I installed lenny, much easier and faster. |
| 05:05.58 | stoned | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php |
| 05:06.01 | stoned | yup |
| 05:06.04 | seriouslycgi | gah im not doing that i just got etch the way i wanted it lol |
| 05:06.10 | stoned | dmm sid has v10 of flashplayer |
| 05:06.43 | stoned | nicely packaged for your convenience, and fairly stable too usually |
| 05:06.45 | stoned | his packages |
| 05:07.14 | seriouslycgi | is it possible to install that on etch without too much trouble stoned? im running out of hdd room |
| 05:07.25 | stoned | uhm |
| 05:07.27 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, no |
| 05:07.34 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, it's going to be a lot of trouble |
| 05:07.36 | stoned | you can try to backport it |
| 05:08.00 | stoned | add a deb-src for its repository and follow the rest of the steps from /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:08.27 | seriouslycgi | so any way i look at it, its going to be a while before i get it up and running? |
| 05:08.35 | stoned | not really |
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| 05:09.01 | stoned | like 10 mins tops or however long it will take to build the package shouldn't be long at all actually its not compiling shits |
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| 05:09.53 | stoned | seriouslycgi, /msg dpkg ssb, just simply replace the deb src with the deb-src for debian-multimedia.org sid |
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| 05:10.37 | gin0 | are you need SEX ????? ..... Paris Hilton .. click here :: http://www.fotovacaciones.telefonica.com/catalogo.php?voto=1&codigo=WA0AA3&pagina=1 |
| 05:10.45 | seriouslycgi | idk i really dont feel like re-installing tonight stoned, which is usually what i have to do to get something working like that |
| 05:10.46 | stoned | then just build-dep to install all the stuff needed to build the package, and then just build it. its all in the factoid really |
| 05:10.59 | stoned | you won't be reinstalling anything |
| 05:11.09 | stoned | !ops gin0 spam |
| 05:11.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: gin0 spam |
| 05:11.17 | seriouslycgi | ok but if i fudge it up im gonna eat your children |
| 05:11.21 | seriouslycgi | lol j/k |
| 05:11.43 | stoned | or don't leave my children out of this. |
| 05:11.52 | stoned | if i had any... |
| 05:11.56 | gin0 | are you need SEX ????? ..... Paris Hilton .. click here :: http://www.fotovacaciones.telefonica.com/catalogo.php?voto=1&codigo=WA0AA3&pagina=1 |
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| 05:11.58 | seriouslycgi | :) |
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| 05:12.20 | stoned | well hes gone now |
| 05:12.31 | seriouslycgi | thanks stoned ill give it a shot |
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| 05:12.46 | stoned | yup |
| 05:12.54 | stoned | im gonna build it right now |
| 05:12.58 | stoned | lets see how long it takes |
| 05:13.15 | seriouslycgi | ok ill wait for you to do it let me know what you do? |
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| 05:13.31 | seriouslycgi | i couldnt find anything on google just straight installs |
| 05:13.51 | kunwon1 | stoned, let me know how it goes |
| 05:14.02 | stoned | Get:3 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Sources [30.9kB] |
| 05:14.02 | kunwon1 | if it works, I might go back to etch :D |
| 05:14.30 | erawfish | stoned: for flash10 you need a newer libc6 than in etch. since flash10 is closed source, you cannot meet this requirement. no matter your "backport" |
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| 05:15.32 | karsten | erawfish: Not even w/ relocation and an dLD_LIBRARY_PATH variable? |
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| 05:15.43 | karsten | s/an d/an / |
| 05:15.47 | stoned | Get:2 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main flash-player 1:10.0.12.36-0.1 (tar) [3959kB] |
| 05:15.50 | stoned | doh |
| 05:15.52 | erawfish | LC_LIBRARY_PATH for libc6? |
| 05:16.19 | erawfish | and you'd run moz on the new libc6 too |
| 05:17.08 | stoned | Setting up flashplayer-mozilla (1:10.0.12.36-0.1) ... |
| 05:17.20 | stoned | lets check about:plugins |
| 05:17.22 | ameyer | It'd probably be easier to just upgrade to lenny |
| 05:17.30 | kunwon1 | I had firefox 3 running on etch, that wasn't too much work |
| 05:17.40 | kunwon1 | but once I hit youtube sites... phail |
| 05:17.53 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.54 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.58 | karsten | erawfish: I'm not sure how you'd do it anyway since it has to be launched from the browser. But soemthing like that. Or a chroot. Just kicking out ideas. |
| 05:18.01 | stoned | lets check youtube |
| 05:18.02 | kunwon1 | ameyer, that's what I said fifteen minutes ago :) |
| 05:18.13 | `Sgt` | i need libssl.so.6 |
| 05:18.16 | `Sgt` | where cna i get it |
| 05:18.22 | seriouslycgi | stoned: you installed it already? |
| 05:18.39 | stoned | yes |
| 05:18.44 | seriouslycgi | working? |
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| 05:18.50 | seriouslycgi | on etch? |
| 05:18.57 | erawfish | karsten: obviosuly you'd load the browser with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. but that really feels unclean |
| 05:19.14 | erawfish | `Sgt`: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:19.24 | stoned | you want me to take a screenshot or two? |
| 05:19.31 | seriouslycgi | no no i believe you |
| 05:19.39 | stoned | fantastic. |
| 05:19.43 | erawfish | stoned: which libc6 do you run? |
| 05:19.47 | karsten | erawfish: Since the browser needs the system libc, that wouldn't work too famously. |
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| 05:20.04 | erawfish | why "need"? you can use a newer libc6 (usually) no? |
| 05:20.25 | seriouslycgi | so you did what you said earlier stoned? |
| 05:20.33 | karsten | erawfish: Dunno. |
| 05:20.43 | erawfish | of coures you can. |
| 05:21.07 | erawfish | as long as the version number doesn't change of the .so (and it didn't). supposedly they are still compatible |
| 05:21.20 | erawfish | I wouldn't trust it, but it should work |
| 05:21.55 | kunwon1 | stoned, what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 ? |
| 05:22.19 | rhodescus | I thought etch ran libc6 |
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| 05:23.02 | rhodescus | you should be able to install a newer one on top? |
| 05:23.04 | stoned | http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/index.html |
| 05:23.09 | erawfish | rhodescus: no you should not |
| 05:23.15 | adb_ | judd: info libc6 etch |
| 05:23.16 | judd | adb_: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 05:23.46 | adb_ | judd: info libc6 --arch i386 etch |
| 05:23.47 | judd | adb_: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 05:24.04 | erawfish | judd: versions libc6 |
| 05:24.05 | judd | erawfish: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-14 (lenny) 2.7-15 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
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| 05:24.32 | stoned | 2.3 man |
| 05:24.42 | stoned | yeh that one |
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| 05:25.03 | kunwon1 | And you have flash ten and you can view youtube videos? |
| 05:25.08 | kunwon1 | I call shenanigans |
| 05:25.14 | rhodescus | So the libc library doesn't export versioned symbols? |
| 05:25.35 | stoned | *shrug* beats me |
| 05:25.40 | stoned | I dunno enough to talk about all that stuff |
| 05:25.46 | stoned | I just freakin backported it and it worked |
| 05:25.48 | stoned | don't look at me |
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| 05:25.53 | rhodescus | OK |
| 05:26.23 | erawfish | rhodescus: 2.7 compiled programs require a symbol that is not there in 2.3 > error |
| 05:26.32 | erawfish | and that's it |
| 05:27.00 | rhodescus | I was thinking about whether 2.7 libraries could be used by 2.3 programs |
| 05:27.24 | stoned | wait |
| 05:27.30 | stoned | ok don't laugh at me |
| 05:27.40 | erawfish | we don't. we knew from the start |
| 05:27.45 | stoned | I have 2.7 |
| 05:27.54 | stoned | I did the command in the wrong terminal |
| 05:27.59 | stoned | I installed it on my desktop |
| 05:28.15 | stoned | the terminals confused me cuz I have them labled as desktop/laptop/etc. etc. |
| 05:28.25 | rhodescus | You have 'too many windows' |
| 05:28.27 | stoned | in konsole and I had actually ssh to the laptop while in the desktop |
| 05:28.34 | kunwon1 | stoned, no one is laughing |
| 05:28.37 | kunwon1 | :) |
| 05:28.38 | stoned | ok fantastic |
| 05:28.40 | stoned | :D |
| 05:29.10 | rhodescus | stoned: it is even worse when you run the command in the wrong state or country |
| 05:29.13 | seriouslycgi | ok so should i undertake this? just following your instructions from earlier? |
| 05:29.17 | adb_ | !win stoned |
| 05:29.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, stoned! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:29.22 | stoned | lol |
| 05:29.23 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, if you want flash ten, get lenny |
| 05:29.42 | erawfish | seriouslycgi: how often do you have to be told it can't work in etch? |
| 05:29.52 | stoned | well can't he install a lenny inside an etch chroot |
| 05:29.57 | stoned | I mean a lenny chroot |
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| 05:30.14 | seriouslycgi | ok loads of google results saying they got it to work from the adobe installer? |
| 05:30.24 | seriouslycgi | but it just doesnt show up for me |
| 05:30.28 | kunwon1 | ok, go ahead and try those. |
| 05:30.42 | erawfish | seriouslycgi: we don't support adobe installers. go and ask adobe then |
| 05:30.44 | seriouslycgi | i did that why i came here i was lost |
| 05:31.00 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, we're showing you the way out of the maze but you keep trying to go back for the cheese. |
| 05:31.08 | seriouslycgi | erawfish, that why i asked if anyone had done it yet |
| 05:31.21 | erawfish | kunwon1: he wants it and facts be damned |
| 05:31.21 | seriouslycgi | lol kunwon1 ill go get lenny |
| 05:31.40 | stoned | do /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 05:31.42 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi. :) |
| 05:31.50 | rhodescus | no version information available is the linker message if the symbol matches but the version doesn't |
| 05:32.02 | seriouslycgi | i wanted to use it in the next hour or so (site im using seems to require it alreadt with updates from today |
| 05:32.09 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.11 | stoned | my bad |
| 05:32.14 | stoned | =D |
| 05:32.29 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, etch->lenny doesn't take much more than that on a fast connection |
| 05:32.55 | seriouslycgi | ill do fresh install cos ill probably need to re-partition |
| 05:33.16 | seriouslycgi | i was tight just getting etch on here |
| 05:34.05 | seriouslycgi | so i can install it on lenny stoned? |
| 05:34.59 | kunwon1 | I wasn't sober when I did it, went pretty well anyway |
| 05:35.30 | seriouslycgi | kunwon1, with debian-multimedia.org? or adobe installer? |
| 05:37.03 | kunwon1 | seriouslycgi, I used the adobe installer. It creates a libflashplayer10.so file that needs to go in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins/ or somesuch |
| 05:38.05 | seriouslycgi | ok thanks mate gonna go down lenny now |
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| 05:44.55 | infinity2 | bored |
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| 05:45.40 | nocte | already 2.6.28-rc2 |
| 05:45.43 | nocte | .. |
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| 05:46.00 | nocte | why they are releaseing too quickly new version ? |
| 05:46.07 | nocte | :( |
| 05:46.33 | MariachiAC | hello, I'm tyring ot find a package that contains gtk-doc. I need some macros and posibly some develpment headers for installing something from source. What package do I need to install? |
| 05:47.51 | infinity2 | nocte: eh? debian or kernel? |
| 05:47.58 | infinity2 | debian is 2.6.26 |
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| 05:53.08 | MrWGW-cc | is it possible to -not- configure a limited user during the initial install, but instead skip part that section? |
| 05:53.39 | Guerin | whyever would you? |
| 05:54.44 | MrWGW-cc | guerin: because my client does not want any limited user accounts on the system, and because I intend to replace /home with a different device |
| 05:55.05 | MrWGW-cc | and please spare me the lecture about how just havign root is t3h ev0l, we all know this, yes, right... |
| 05:55.11 | MrWGW-cc | is it possible or not? |
| 05:55.16 | Guerin | anything's possible |
| 05:55.25 | Guerin | easiest would be to create one and remove it later |
| 05:57.04 | MrWGW-cc | ok |
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| 05:59.10 | Guerin | it's not really evil, though - just stupid |
| 05:59.13 | Guerin | FYI :) |
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| 06:00.42 | \amethyst | there will still be limited accounts for daemons etc |
| 06:01.14 | \amethyst | but the can't be logged in to |
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| 06:03.38 | MrWGW-cc | Actually I disagree with that axiom but wtfever |
| 06:03.54 | MrWGW-cc | if you want to make that argument though |
| 06:03.58 | MrWGW-cc | the way to make it is the FreeBSD approach |
| 06:04.04 | MrWGW-cc | where they disable root logins via ssh by default |
| 06:04.10 | MrWGW-cc | so thus if youre limited user account gets pwned |
| 06:04.17 | MrWGW-cc | you might have time to notice this before they smash into # |
| 06:04.37 | MrWGW-cc | so as I see it you either do it the FreeBSD route, or you just allow straight # and say screw it |
| 06:04.46 | MrWGW-cc | which is the OpenBSD default |
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| 06:07.48 | ftp3 | I am trying to install debian 4.0r5 x86 on a server of mine. The machine has hardware raid 1 (supermicro mb) and when i installed the last os (centos) and it went to disk partition, it clearly showed "raid array drive info" and showed one drive. When i try and install debian, and it gets to the drive partitioning part, it shows both drives |
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| 06:09.15 | ftp3 | does anyone know what i should do? obviously i should not be seeing two drives when they are running as raid 1 |
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| 06:09.47 | infinity2 | ftp3: sounds like you have "fake raid" |
| 06:10.33 | ftp3 | ? huh? no, its supermicro with adaptec.. its real raid.. |
| 06:11.05 | infinity2 | whats the card and driver? |
| 06:11.26 | ftp3 | its built onto the supermicro board. I would not even bother coming here if i didnt know what hardware raid was |
| 06:11.50 | infinity2 | ftp3: on the montherboard? sounds like fake raid :) |
| 06:12.20 | infinity2 | you should find out the raid chip and driver. that will probably get you your answers |
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| 06:16.06 | dunnen | fuck ntfs |
| 06:16.29 | ftp3 | infinity2, i appreciate you trying to help. But you obviously have no idea about supermicro products if you think they install "fake raid" on their motherboards. mine is http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DB8.cfm and you can clearly see it is not a low end adaptec they have integrated |
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| 06:20.30 | infinity2 | ftp3: you're right. i don't know anything about supermicro products |
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| 06:25.25 | infinity2 | ftp3: yes. its low end raid. its a regular scsi card with some bios addons to make raid. its not a true hardware raid card. |
| 06:25.27 | Tenkawa | Anyone heard or know if theres a fix to get the ide cdrom detectable on a intel dp35dp board? |
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| 06:25.55 | Tenkawa | installer cant find the cdrom once it starts loading components |
| 06:26.43 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: yeah, the obsd route only makes sense where there's no remote access by default. |
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| 06:28.29 | pgpkeys | if debian isn't using the wheel group for the admin group is it using adm by default? |
| 06:28.47 | Guerin | debian has never used wheel |
| 06:29.35 | Guerin | basically, wheel is a WOFT since if someone knows the root pass, in principle they can do anything |
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| 06:30.49 | \amethyst | you can set up whatever account you want as wheel with pam_wheel |
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| 06:31.42 | pgpkeys | i didn't say "if it is no longer using" i asked if they were using the adm group as the equiv. you don't need to know the root password if you assign that group to use their own password via sudoers. I was just wondering what was debian's best practice(tm) |
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| 06:31.57 | stew | pgpkeys: anyone can run su (they must know the password unless they are root). 'staff' group can do things like write to /usr/src and /usr/local, 'adm' group can read log files |
| 06:32.12 | Guerin | yeah, I think they use adm - just not with default wheel privileges |
| 06:32.20 | Guerin | oh, it's staff? |
| 06:32.37 | stew | its both |
| 06:33.18 | stew | pgpkeys: yes, configuring sudo for whatever specific access people need |
| 06:33.27 | \amethyst | on systems with the wheel concept, that's the only group that can su, even with a password |
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| 06:33.33 | pgpkeys | stew: thank you. so placing a user in both groups (staff and adm) would allow them to do the equivilent if you used %staff and %adm in sudoers? |
| 06:33.42 | infinity2 | pgpkeys: i think the adm group only has read access to logs. thats its special privaledge |
| 06:34.01 | infinity2 | dunno about staff |
| 06:34.20 | stew | staff gets rw access in /usr/src and /usr/local |
| 06:34.28 | infinity2 | i just use sudoers and specify names. i don't use groups. maybe i'm not doing it the best way |
| 06:34.30 | pgpkeys | thanks |
| 06:34.43 | infinity2 | ahhh. i learned something :) |
| 06:35.04 | stew | i just define groups in sudo |
| 06:36.10 | dustybin | resepct to this guy :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Minter |
| 06:36.30 | \amethyst | pgpkeys: unless you do custom pam configuration, su will let anyone become anyone, but only with a password. Only root can su without a password. There's nothing special about staff and admin as far as su is concerned (by default) |
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| 06:37.07 | pgpkeys | \amethyst - I am familiar with su |
| 06:37.39 | \amethyst | pgpkeys: your question to stew about staff and adm seemed to indicate some confusion |
| 06:38.16 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
| 06:38.17 | \amethyst | pgpkeys: /etc/pam.d/su has lots of comments explaining various things you can do |
| 06:38.17 | pgpkeys | no, usually wheel group is the default group allowed in sudo (rather than the use of su itself) |
| 06:39.03 | Tenkawa | going to try usb-media install this time |
| 06:39.06 | pgpkeys | but debian didn't seem to be making use of the wheel group and thus wasn't in the sudoers file |
| 06:39.13 | Tenkawa | lets see if that works better |
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| 06:54.58 | d-b | question if my hard disk has acpi / power support does it do it without me using hdparm or do i have to tell the disk to stand by... |
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| 07:02.04 | mhymn | #hardware ? |
| 07:03.09 | d-b | um... i'm using debian... |
| 07:03.18 | d-b | can't i test... |
| 07:06.00 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.05 | d-b | i take it that's a no then ? |
| 07:06.21 | d-b | oh wait.. nevermind |
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| 07:12.50 | SJrX | How can I check to see if my hard drive is timing out |
| 07:16.54 | nocte | infinity2: kernel |
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| 07:22.51 | sandman | Is it true that the xen+vserver kernels are there merely as a proof-of-concept? |
| 07:23.21 | sandman | I was wondering what in particular the point would be to having both Xen and vserver, other than running a windows operating system parallel to a *nix one |
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| 07:25.41 | gothenburg | I thougt my server was to loud. |
| 07:25.58 | gothenburg | Now when i checked, CPU was on 100% :s |
| 07:32.54 | trifler | shutdown now -h |
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| 07:44.52 | gothenburg | Hi, Can I start X remotly? |
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| 07:46.06 | Guerin | you have our permission |
| 07:46.14 | vaq | lol |
| 07:46.44 | gothenburg | I mean when I am using SSH. |
| 07:47.19 | Guerin | you still have our permission |
| 07:47.21 | gothenburg | I don't want to start X now because it's using ~150 MB of memory. |
| 07:47.37 | gothenburg | Guerin: Good, Thanks. |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | so? |
| 07:47.55 | Guerin | memory is there to be used |
| 07:48.08 | bolt | Guerin: you know we're running out of starting X remotely licenses, right? |
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| 07:48.42 | Guerin | bolt: i think someone has to fill out form four-seven-six-tango-foxtrot-stroke-sierra |
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| 07:49.12 | bolt | I'll make sure a meeting is held to discuss the matter |
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| 07:50.26 | Guerin | bolt: be certain to schedule it at a time when the IT liaison manager is on holiday so it accomplishes nothing and we have to hold it again when he gets back |
| 07:50.38 | bolt | perfect. |
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| 08:11.10 | mhymn | good to see all debian problems are already solved, thank god! |
| 08:11.43 | sandman | So apparently Xen and VServer are supposed to complement eachother, however I don't see how? |
| 08:12.03 | mhymn | ouch |
| 08:12.03 | sandman | It seems that Xen might be better if the CPU has VT-x support. But otherwise the overhead would be greater than VServer, which has basically no overhead. |
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| 08:13.58 | binary | VServer eh? haven't heard of that one |
| 08:14.05 | binary | googles |
| 08:14.15 | Coke | Hello! Does Debian have any issue/ticket tracking software that has interactive CLI tools? |
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| 08:15.19 | Guerin | Coke: emacs? |
| 08:15.22 | Guerin | flees |
| 08:15.47 | Coke | Guerin: what addon? |
| 08:16.08 | Guerin | Coke: no, I'm a primitivist at heart, I just mean `make textfiles' :) |
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| 08:16.35 | Coke | Guerin: how would I solve simultaneous updates from multiple testers? |
| 08:16.53 | Guerin | Coke: grep! |
| 08:16.55 | Coke | Guerin: and how do I make sure they write the textfile exactly as specified? |
| 08:17.02 | Coke | Guerin: grep? |
| 08:17.15 | Guerin | Coke: beatings continuing until the discipline improves? |
| 08:17.33 | Coke | Guerin: that doesn't work, we're not allowed to beat employees or consultants here |
| 08:17.36 | Coke | It's against the law. |
| 08:17.38 | Guerin | bugger |
| 08:17.47 | Guerin | not even the stupid ones? |
| 08:17.52 | Coke | Unfortunately, no. |
| 08:18.10 | Coke | Guerin: thing is, Debian is a perfect system for total morons |
| 08:18.15 | Guerin | isn't sure how you get anything done under such a system |
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| 08:18.39 | Coke | Using regular Posix and well defined roles the testers and users are extremely limited in what they can do. |
| 08:18.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:19.26 | Coke | So, ideally I'd get something like reportbug for Debian, but for my applications. |
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| 08:19.39 | Coke | They can only run the application and occationally report bugs, that's it. |
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| 08:31.55 | OpenTokix | if I get my resolv.conf from the dhcp, how do I ad my own search domain? |
| 08:32.36 | Guerin | by consulting your dhcp client's documentation? |
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| 08:35.27 | xealmero | can muti valued attributes be primary key at same time ? |
| 08:36.06 | xealmero | i mean |
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| 08:36.18 | xealmero | we have entity person entity |
| 08:36.33 | xealmero | and those entity have address and telephone number att. |
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| 08:36.48 | xealmero | name and telephone nmber is multi valued attribute |
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| 08:37.02 | blizzkid | lo all. does anyone know a tool to draw flowcharts from perl code? It has to work in debian offcourse |
| 08:37.04 | xealmero | but telephon number i think is primary key |
| 08:39.49 | nmh_j2graw | blizzkid: have you looked on cpan? (hint: Devel::Graph ) |
| 08:40.06 | blizzkid | nmh_j2graw: let me have a quick look |
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| 08:45.37 | MrWGW-cc | hey |
| 08:45.42 | MrWGW-cc | I've asked this before |
| 08:45.48 | MrWGW-cc | and I'll probably have to ask it again, because I always forget |
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| 08:45.55 | MrWGW-cc | where are apt repos defined? |
| 08:46.01 | MrWGW-cc | and to add them after install you just add the repo to that file, right? |
| 08:46.40 | blizzkid | nmh_j2graw: I'm not sure I get it right, does Devel::Graph indeed allow you to "feed" it some perl script, and draw a flowchart from that code? |
| 08:48.29 | nmh_j2graw | blizzkid: no idea, but it looks like it (I found the webpage via google) I think it spits out an ascii flow chart. |
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| 08:48.51 | nmh_j2graw | MrWGW-cc: are you asking about /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:48.56 | MrWGW-cc | yes |
| 08:49.01 | MrWGW-cc | to add a repo I just add its URL to -that- right? |
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| 08:49.29 | Guerin | no |
| 08:49.33 | Guerin | you read man sources.list |
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| 08:49.46 | MrWGW-cc | well I mean following its format |
| 08:49.52 | Guerin | right |
| 08:49.53 | MrWGW-cc | basically the process of adding a repo consists of editing that fiel, right? |
| 08:49.54 | nmh_j2graw | MrWGW-cc: I was going to say sure, but ==Guerin |
| 08:50.02 | MrWGW-cc | ok |
| 08:50.16 | MrWGW-cc | I've actually warmed up a bit to Debian primarily because of your support of XFS and JFS |
| 08:50.24 | MrWGW-cc | and netinst |
| 08:50.25 | MrWGW-cc | which is OK |
| 08:50.31 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: you're a refugee from where? |
| 08:50.31 | OpenTokix | Guerin: your way of saying "I have no idea dude, I just pop the cd in and watch the pretty colors!" |
| 08:50.40 | MrWGW-cc | it annoys me to no end that Slackware and Red hat don't provide really easy to use network installation disks |
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| 08:50.42 | Guerin | OpenTokix: wtf? |
| 08:51.06 | MrWGW-cc | Guerin: I'm primarily a user of FreeBSD, which is my preferred server OS, and will remain such, but I admin a hodgepodge of Linux servers |
| 08:51.10 | MrWGW-cc | and I prefer Linux as my desktop |
| 08:51.16 | MrWGW-cc | since its free software, and it beats the crap out of OS X |
| 08:51.22 | MrWGW-cc | and I'm sick of Windows and its glitchiness |
| 08:51.29 | Guerin | bsd packaging is a horrible beast of a thing |
| 08:51.32 | MrWGW-cc | I have fun with Windows, its great for some things, but for my day to day I don't need it |
| 08:51.40 | MrWGW-cc | right but I really don't care about packaging |
| 08:51.46 | Guerin | I run obsd as well as debian, and it's tolerable as long as I don't have to install anything, ever |
| 08:51.53 | MrWGW-cc | and it does work |
| 08:52.01 | nmh_j2graw | BSD packaging is useful, but hurts. a lot. |
| 08:52.16 | MrWGW-cc | Guerin: on OpenBSD you have to configure the repos, IIRC you set a shell variable, then you do pkg_add -R whatever |
| 08:52.27 | MrWGW-cc | but I'm of the opinion that package management in general sucks |
| 08:52.27 | Guerin | yeah, I know how to do it |
| 08:52.41 | Guerin | it's just the equivalent of stone tools compared to apt |
| 08:52.44 | MrWGW-cc | the thing I love about the FreeBSD is the Ports |
| 08:52.48 | Guerin | ah |
| 08:52.49 | Guerin | see |
| 08:52.53 | MrWGW-cc | its a sick idea, I mean basically it isn't really a package manager, its a set of makefiles |
| 08:52.53 | Guerin | that's what I despise |
| 08:52.56 | MrWGW-cc | and its brilliant |
| 08:53.10 | Guerin | unnecessary fucking around and hand-holding broken software |
| 08:53.17 | Guerin | it's what I ain't got time for |
| 08:53.17 | MrWGW-cc | I recently did my own psuedo package manager with my friend Adam, we wrote it in shell, its called the Constructor |
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| 08:53.38 | Guerin | and when you have to wait half an hour for something to fail to build, when you just want to run the damned program - fuck that |
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| 08:53.57 | MrWGW-cc | by using ldd, strings, manual editing of descriptor files and/or interfacing with another package manager, or all of the above, this beast lets me tear a binary from one UNIX and import it into any UNIX that's binary compatible - along with all of its dependencies |
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| 08:53.58 | MrWGW-cc | its just awesome |
| 08:54.02 | mavhc | package management is what makes linux better than windows |
| 08:54.22 | nmh_j2graw | mavhc: among other things |
| 08:54.24 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: if you insist on not using apt in debian, you will be in for much hurt |
| 08:54.27 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: just FYI |
| 08:54.29 | MrWGW-cc | a preferred approach would be if each individual app had its own installation script, b ut would be installed to an isolated chroot |
| 08:54.38 | MrWGW-cc | Guerin: I use apt on Debian, because I don't care |
| 08:54.39 | mavhc | to the average user |
| 08:54.49 | mavhc | how would that cope with dependencies? |
| 08:54.59 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: if you want everything to be siloed, are you going to build it all statically too? |
| 08:55.06 | gane | tell me to pass the output of grub to any file |
| 08:55.19 | Guerin | gane: pass the output of grub to any file |
| 08:55.21 | MrWGW-cc | the installer script would check your system against a list of dependencies, for each missing item, it would pull that item from a server |
| 08:55.32 | MrWGW-cc | guerin: my gripe with package management is that its brittle |
| 08:55.36 | MrWGW-cc | I also don't really see the point, |
| 08:55.41 | MrWGW-cc | I just view it as...unimportant |
| 08:55.44 | gane | Guerin, ya |
| 08:55.46 | OpenTokix | trying to follow the line of tought |
| 08:55.47 | MrWGW-cc | any tool that lets me install that software is fine, basically |
| 08:55.57 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: it's only brittle if it's not done properly, like rpm-based systems aren't |
| 08:55.59 | mavhc | and keeps it up to date |
| 08:56.02 | MrWGW-cc | so on Debian I'll use app, on Fedora, yum, on FreeBSD, the packages or the ports |
| 08:56.22 | nmh_j2graw | MrWGW-cc: install is the easy part, it is all the other stuff that matters |
| 08:56.22 | MrWGW-cc | because I don't care, I typically only install software when I first configure a system, and then I leave it |
| 08:56.23 | MrWGW-cc | now updates take you to an interesting realm |
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| 08:56.35 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: so ... what about security updates, etc? |
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| 08:56.41 | Guerin | not too concerned about them? |
| 08:56.41 | MrWGW-cc | but here, you know, I think the ideal approach is to just run virtual machines that are preconfigured, and periodically update a master VM, and propagate this VM out across your environment |
| 08:56.46 | MrWGW-cc | once its been tested |
| 08:56.51 | MrWGW-cc | or better yet use swappable staging environments |
| 08:57.02 | MrWGW-cc | so you update all the VMs in your testing environment, make sure they work, and then put them into production |
| 08:57.13 | MrWGW-cc | so this process is much more tolerant of latency if you have to manually recompile/reinstall |
| 08:57.18 | gane | Guerin, do you know the answer |
| 08:57.22 | MrWGW-cc | and it won't disrupt your files etc, since all that stuff should be on a SAN anyway |
| 08:57.24 | Guerin | gane: no. |
| 08:57.34 | gane | Guerin, ok |
| 08:57.47 | nmh_j2graw | MrWGW-cc: for a big server farm, sure. How about at home with one computer? (also, fyi: stow) |
| 08:58.09 | gane | anyone tell me how to get the output of grub prompt to any file |
| 08:58.29 | MrWGW-cc | nmh_|: in that environment, if your'e using Linux vs. Windows, and if you're behind a firewall, security updates are less relevant |
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| 08:58.36 | MrWGW-cc | but I really don't care about that environment much anyway |
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| 08:58.56 | MrWGW-cc | at my house I have about 20 desktops, but the one I use the most is an IBM ThinkCentre S50, which multiboots various Linuxes |
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| 08:59.05 | MrWGW-cc | I do a fresh Linux install periodically but I use an out of date Fedora 7 for most of my stuff |
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| 08:59.07 | nmh_j2graw | MrWGW-cc: I would disagree, but see little point. |
| 08:59.13 | MrWGW-cc | I mainly prefer to avoid doing updaets as they tend to break stuff |
| 08:59.23 | MrWGW-cc | nmh_|: indeed, I see little point to it - in general |
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| 08:59.53 | MrWGW-cc | just having a secure password or closing ssh or using denyhosts solves the big security weakness there |
| 09:00.00 | MrWGW-cc | closing port 22 off rather |
| 09:00.26 | MrWGW-cc | its unlikely a cracker would spend significant effort exploiting an obscure remote Linux kernel vulnerability to break into a residential computer, and if you have a decent firewall he simply couldn't do it |
| 09:00.37 | Eulex | MrWGW-cc, a firewall is not a "magic protector" against security problems |
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| 09:00.50 | MrWGW-cc | Eulex: no, but in a residential setting it adds a lot of protection |
| 09:01.15 | MrWGW-cc | the basic thing is keeping people from directly being able to talk to your box, i.e. via NAT and so on, basically, you know, keep them away from where they could exploit a kernel vulnerability or some such |
| 09:01.22 | MrWGW-cc | but yeah occasionally I run yum update or apt-get whatever |
| 09:02.16 | Eulex | MrWGW-cc, what you're saying is true of attacks where you're the passive part. what you're saying is not true of attacks where you're the active part; ie for example surfing onto some website. |
| 09:02.25 | Eulex | or well, mostly true |
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| 09:02.48 | xealmero | hey |
| 09:02.55 | Eulex | if some malware can find its own into your local LAN, you'd have problems. |
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| 09:03.01 | xealmero | do you know how i state foreign key in er diagram |
| 09:03.06 | MrWGW-cc | eulex: right, but nearly all of those attacks, as in, 99.9% of them, target Windows |
| 09:03.14 | MrWGW-cc | the rare cases where someone has targeted Linux or the Mac are legendary |
| 09:03.14 | Guerin | for now |
| 09:03.22 | MrWGW-cc | and at that, this can be averted by keeping your browser up to date |
| 09:03.23 | _AleX_ | hi all, i've a strange problem with a debian, the context : i've a hard-disk why debian stable installed on, I pout this disk on a computer, boot it, but the network card device (eth0, a 3com 3x59x module) don't appear. But when I boot a live-cd on the same computer, I see eth0 and I can use it. The two (hd and livecd) use a 2.6.18 kernel. I've had "3x59x" in /etc/modules, nothing changes. An idea ? |
| 09:03.31 | MrWGW-cc | Guerin: indeed, ironic how the rise of Linux popularity might bite us |
| 09:03.42 | MrWGW-cc | if that becomes really a pain, I'll install OpenSolaris as a desktop :-p |
| 09:03.46 | MrWGW-cc | it makes a nice one actually |
| 09:03.47 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: pfft |
| 09:03.48 | gane | i am trying this for long day .. to get grub prompt output to any file |
| 09:03.57 | Eulex | MrWGW-cc, not just browser. all packages that the browser uses. |
| 09:04.01 | MrWGW-cc | yeah |
| 09:04.10 | Guerin | and then you have to update and break things! |
| 09:04.10 | MrWGW-cc | and again there is the Solaris/BSD fallback route |
| 09:04.16 | MrWGW-cc | I don't even have to use them as a desktop, just ssh -AX |
| 09:04.19 | MrWGW-cc | ssh -X rather |
| 09:04.20 | Guerin | (unless you use debian, where updates don't break things) |
| 09:04.34 | MrWGW-cc | Debian is good about updates, but IE really don't care due to the aforementioned discussion |
| 09:04.39 | MrWGW-cc | the main thing I wish Debian -would- focus on. |
| 09:04.43 | MrWGW-cc | or things, rather |
| 09:04.48 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: have you checked lspci ? |
| 09:04.54 | MrWGW-cc | improve the installer, add 32 bit binary support on x64, or amd64 as you call it, |
| 09:05.04 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: or a newer kernel? |
| 09:05.05 | sandman | According to everything I've read, it would seem that if it's possible to use VServer instead of Xen, then do so. |
| 09:05.08 | MrWGW-cc | and increase the level of polish in the system |
| 09:05.18 | Eulex | MrWGW-cc, already exists. use a chroot. |
| 09:05.26 | sandman | But if you must use Xen for, say, running a different kernel as a DomU, then run Xen instead. |
| 09:05.31 | sandman | Does this seem fairly accurate? |
| 09:05.44 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: my second problem : I'm not on the console, it's a remote server :) |
| 09:05.44 | Eulex | but I guess you mean you want multiarch support? |
| 09:06.02 | MrWGW-cc | Eulex: but yeah, IMO a chroot is dumb for that kind of thing |
| 09:06.15 | MrWGW-cc | it would be better to just install a separate set of libs in the manner of SLES, and tdo it by defaulte |
| 09:06.18 | MrWGW-cc | default |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: this coming from the guy who uses fedora 7 and bsd on the desktop |
| 09:06.25 | Guerin | :) |
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| 09:06.46 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: the system detect and use the network card (an old 3Com 3c905C-TX) with a standard Debian stable kernel (2.6.18) |
| 09:06.46 | MrWGW-cc | I don't use BSd as a desktop |
| 09:07.03 | MrWGW-cc | it rather sucks as that, mainly because it doesn't really autoconfig much for you, unless you use one of the KDE based ones like PC BSD, and those suck IMO |
| 09:07.06 | MrWGW-cc | I dislike KDE |
| 09:07.07 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: are you trying to get a second card to work? |
| 09:07.13 | MrWGW-cc | so beinga GNOME user, I'm kind of screwed, in terms of BSD |
| 09:07.18 | Guerin | MrWGW-cc: we can agree on that |
| 09:07.20 | MrWGW-cc | I don't like sitting aroudn wasting time manually configuring stuff |
| 09:07.22 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:07.28 | Guerin | we can't agre about gnome |
| 09:07.31 | MrWGW-cc | if I did, Windows XP would remain my favorite OS |
| 09:07.32 | sandman | I see that every linux-image with em64t on it says "transition only" |
| 09:07.41 | MrWGW-cc | I use GNOME because it looks nice and I don't care |
| 09:07.49 | sandman | This is because em64t is Intel's AMD64-compatible implementation, yes? |
| 09:07.51 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: I've think to change the network card, but before doing that, i want to ask here to debian hacker first :) |
| 09:07.56 | sandman | Such that there is no real point in having a linux-image-em64t, yes? |
| 09:07.59 | Guerin | i use evilwm |
| 09:08.10 | Guerin | but at work they force me to use winders |
| 09:08.25 | Guerin | i've had to learn excel hackery recently, argh |
| 09:08.36 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: hmm, well you might want to try again later for someone more knowledgeable. |
| 09:08.47 | nmh_j2graw | Guerin: my condolances |
| 09:08.58 | Guerin | nmh_j2graw: gratefully accepted. |
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| 09:09.49 | Guerin | exchell could be awesome, if it wasn't so fucking unpredictable |
| 09:09.51 | _AleX_ | It's a strange problem ... I can access to the computer (with the live cd), and in the log, I've : 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html | 0000:02:09.0: 3Com PCI 3c905C Tornado at e0ce2000. But not the line : eth0: setting full-duplex | eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 09:10.09 | Guerin | it sometimes just spits the dummy on a dataset for no good reason |
| 09:10.15 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 09:10.33 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: so I suppose the module is loaded, but I don't have eth device |
| 09:10.48 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: do you have a cable plugged into it? Do you have the system configured to use it? |
| 09:11.00 | _AleX_ | the cable is plugged |
| 09:11.01 | MrWGW-cc | but basically the stuff that most of the community gets worked up about I don't care about |
| 09:11.03 | MrWGW-cc | and vice versa |
| 09:11.22 | MrWGW-cc | but consider, I'm a systems administrator with root on a lot of boxes, I'm part of the one community of Linux users that really matters, because we account for most Linux installations |
| 09:11.59 | MrWGW-cc | so I would controversially state that the opinions of myself and other sysadmins are more relevant than Joe Blow the Lug Member |
| 09:12.19 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: when i boot on the live-cd, i can use the network, login and mount hd. But when I reboot on the hd, eth0 is missing |
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| 09:12.52 | MrWGW-cc | the flipside of that is I disagree with this seeming Red Hat attitude of "Desktop Linux is irrelevant" |
| 09:12.59 | MrWGW-cc | which has been basically echoed by guys like Alan Cox |
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| 09:14.03 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: I don't have much more to suggest, other than you booting off the cd and hd, and for each recording dmesg, lspci, ifconfig -a, /etc/network/interfaces and pastbinning them. (NOT posting them here) |
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| 09:15.21 | _AleX_ | nmh_j2graw: thank you for your help, I'm making a script launched on the hd boot process for check these informations. thanks |
| 09:15.26 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: if you are going to do that, also, a description of the problem (for new people) and other system info, like: uname -a, /etc/lsb_release (iirc), lsmod |
| 09:15.49 | nmh_j2graw | _AleX_: okay |
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| 09:17.21 | SgtTinason | i am intersted in making the move from kubuntu to debian. how can i determine if my hardware will be supported in deb? |
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| 09:18.35 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: do you know how to check what hardware you have? are you looking for a hardware compatibility list for linux? (debian?) are you asking about things that will work painlessly in debian? |
| 09:19.21 | SgtTinason | yes, yes, and yes |
| 09:19.53 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: do you have some off the shelf system, or is it something you put together? |
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| 09:20.30 | SgtTinason | its a hp laptop. the key components i want to work painlessly are the intel wifi 'card' and the nvidia video 'card' |
| 09:20.39 | SgtTinason | ...i gues i should say 'adapters' |
| 09:20.57 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: have you tried looking it up? google(<model number> debian) ? |
| 09:21.06 | SgtTinason | ...if i can at least get online, and play nexuiz, ill be happy to struggle with the rest |
| 09:21.09 | SgtTinason | yes |
| 09:21.14 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: also, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 09:21.28 | SgtTinason | i didnt go there yet |
| 09:21.35 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: you could also see how far the livecd gets you |
| 09:22.01 | SgtTinason | wow |
| 09:22.06 | SgtTinason | thats amazing |
| 09:22.15 | SgtTinason | however that works, thats awesome |
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| 09:22.36 | alcohol | good mornin' all |
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| 09:23.30 | SgtTinason | nmh_j2graw: what does 'v2.6.25' in the comment colum,n refer to? |
| 09:24.55 | nmh_j2graw | SgtTinason: no idea - maybe the minimum kernel version |
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| 09:25.03 | nmh_j2graw | (guessing) |
| 09:25.08 | SgtTinason | ok |
| 09:25.11 | nmh_j2graw | alcohol: good evening |
| 09:25.18 | Necrathex | 'file -i' gives me the file description instead of the mime type, any ideas what may be the cause of this? |
| 09:25.19 | alcohol | fair enough :p |
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| 09:26.56 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
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| 09:27.21 | pngwn | !tell inBetween_away -about away |
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| 09:28.47 | alcohol | !tell me -about away |
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| 09:34.19 | MrWGW-cc | Debian can boot off of JFS using GRUB, right? |
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| 09:38.12 | MrWGW-cc | quickly, what would be the URL and archive location of a Debian FTP mirror? |
| 09:38.17 | MrWGW-cc | a good one |
| 09:38.50 | tarzeau | all the official ones are good |
| 09:39.02 | tarzeau | there's archive.debian.org |
| 09:39.14 | tarzeau | i use deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 09:39.21 | MrWGW-cc | nvm |
| 09:39.23 | MrWGW-cc | blayh |
| 09:39.26 | tarzeau | which is ch.debian.org i think |
| 09:39.27 | MrWGW-cc | stupid error |
| 09:40.21 | MrWGW-cc | on my part, btw |
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| 09:43.25 | Wesley_ | Hello. Is there an easy way to migrate users from one system to another? (just copy the passwd/group/shadow file?) |
| 09:44.15 | MrWGW-cc | Wesley: One of my clients does that on a Fedora network |
| 09:44.21 | MrWGW-cc | your mileage may vary |
| 09:44.31 | MrWGW-cc | they run a postinstall script that just copies it over NFS or some nonsense |
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| 09:46.54 | bolt-work | Wesley_: it would be better to have some central point of user administration |
| 09:47.27 | badserii | Hi! I've just netinstalled debian stable for desktop. Is it possible to add a navigation bar in nautilus? Thank you! |
| 09:47.42 | Wesley_ | Yeah indeed.. but thats not an option right now |
| 09:48.37 | bolt-work | Wesley_: well I guess you could just copy the correct lines from those files you mentioned, but make sure the user id's and group id's don't overlap |
| 09:49.06 | Wesley_ | rsyncing these files is out of the question? |
| 09:49.07 | nmh_j2graw | Wesley_: is this a one time deal, or do you want to have the user accounts on mulitple machines? |
| 09:49.25 | bolt-work | badserii: depends on how you define "navigation bar". not using nautilus myself, so I can't help you, but I think others would benefit from you telling them what you actually want. |
| 09:49.30 | Wesley_ | this is a one time deal for now, I eventualy have some sort of central point |
| 09:49.44 | Wesley_ | but i need to migrate this machine to a new one due to hd failures |
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| 09:50.05 | bolt-work | Wesley_: if the systems are otherwise identical, there shouldn't be a problem rsync'ing. risky business, though. many packages add their own users which may or may not exist on the other system |
| 09:50.15 | Wesley_ | mm |
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| 09:50.39 | Wesley_ | there must be some sort of nice tool for this hehe |
| 09:50.50 | nmh_j2graw | Wesley_: depending on amount of data, you could copy just the specific lines from the password files, and the user data - but watch out for the id numbers |
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| 09:51.21 | gane | anyone tell me how to get the output of grub prompt to any file |
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| 09:51.43 | Wesley_ | most are ftponly accounts luckely |
| 09:52.00 | nmh_j2graw | gane: ooc, why are you trying to do this? |
| 09:52.05 | badserii | ok |
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| 09:55.13 | gane | nmh_j2graw, what happen |
| 09:55.39 | gane | nmh_j2graw, i am passing the message after long time.. not a minute |
| 09:55.51 | nmh_j2graw | message? |
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| 09:58.54 | sandman | vserver-debiantools sure is useful |
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| 10:00.15 | gane | nmh_j2graw, queries |
| 10:00.22 | MrWGW-cc | is an sshd installed by default? |
| 10:00.28 | MrWGW-cc | and setup to allow logins? |
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| 10:00.38 | MrWGW-cc | I can't rememberi f you guys are the guys who leave it out by default, I know someone does |
| 10:02.02 | bolt-work | MrWGW-cc: if you go with just a base install, i don't think it's there |
| 10:02.35 | bolt-work | MrWGW-cc: I'd think both desktop the server installs include it though |
| 10:03.15 | bolt-work | MrWGW-cc: and when it's there, it'll allow logins for anyone with a password, including root |
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| 10:03.44 | Jasper | hello guys |
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| 10:05.50 | Bert_2 | Hi, can someone explain me what the CPU-flag HT stands for on my AMD processor, I tought it was Hyper-Treathing but that seems to be an intel-only thing, so what does it mean on an AMD sys then ? |
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| 10:06.46 | nmh_j2graw | Bert_2: <guessing> same flag used for same/similar functionality </> |
| 10:07.15 | toicontento | Bert_2, maybe Hyper Transport |
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| 10:07.34 | Bert_2 | nmh_j2graw: hyper transport is the speed of the link between the cores, right ? |
| 10:07.45 | Bert_2 | sorry, that was meant for toicontento |
| 10:08.12 | toicontento | Bert_2, it's the system bus on AMD chips |
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| 10:08.29 | Bert_2 | toicontento: why would they put those in my CPU flag list ? |
| 10:08.29 | Wesley_ | nmh_j2graw, bolt-work; does it matter in what order I restore the shadow file? |
| 10:08.57 | nmh_j2graw | Wesley_: are you asking about the order of the lines in it? |
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| 10:09.02 | Wesley_ | yes indeed |
| 10:09.08 | nmh_j2graw | Wesley_: I don't think so |
| 10:09.14 | Wesley_ | as i have to remove the system users uid < 1000 |
| 10:09.16 | toicontento | Bert_2, maybe it's not related, let me check |
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| 10:09.55 | Bert_2 | on ##linux they gave me this http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=870 |
| 10:10.00 | MrWGW-cc | so is port 22 closed by default if you do a base install? |
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| 10:10.06 | Bert_2 | apparently they use it to optimize some stuff |
| 10:10.13 | toicontento | Bert_2, http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ |
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| 10:11.14 | Bert_2 | MrWGW-cc: I think etch comes with openssh enabled by default, so I think it's open, but I'm not sure |
| 10:11.46 | Wesley_ | using the netinstall openssh is not installed by default |
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| 10:13.32 | moshii | Do the Debian AMD64 kernels have support of EFI booting enabled? If I use EFI grub to load a Debian kernel it just hangs :/ |
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| 10:14.19 | h1bxy | hello, how I could install 1.8.6 ruby in new fresh lenny ? |
| 10:14.44 | moshii | h1bxy: have you checked that its in lenny? |
| 10:14.47 | MrWGW-cc | is port 22 firewaelld in the default install? |
| 10:14.54 | MrWGW-cc | its weird, I installed ssh-server but its not working for some reason |
| 10:15.02 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: there is no firewall in the default install |
| 10:15.02 | MrWGW-cc | but I don't recall having to do this when I reicently installed this sucker at my house |
| 10:15.06 | MrWGW-cc | ok so weird |
| 10:15.11 | MrWGW-cc | I should check my sshd_config |
| 10:15.23 | h1bxy | moshii: no, absolute noob with debian tools and system, what I need to do, is just to install 1.8.6 |
| 10:15.47 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: connect wit ssh -v and see whats happening .. |
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| 10:16.11 | moshii | h1bxy: aptitude, apt-cache, http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:16.22 | snakeoil | how can i find out what version of debian am I running ? i am not sure if i use sid or etch or whatever |
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| 10:16.45 | moshii | snakeoil: |
| 10:16.48 | MrWGW-cc | it just hangs on connect <client IP address which I'm not exposing> port 22 |
| 10:17.00 | moshii | snakeoil: sorry, cate /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:17.23 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: client address? you mean server right? |
| 10:17.31 | snakeoil | moshii, okay but it returns "lenny/sid" so i have got a mixed system ? |
| 10:17.43 | MrWGW-cc | ahh tyes |
| 10:18.06 | moshii | snakeoil: lenny still isn't released... so its not "lenny" yet |
| 10:18.07 | MrWGW-cc | ok nvm got it |
| 10:18.14 | MrWGW-cc | now see, this si what's dangerous about doing sysadmining at 3 in the morning |
| 10:18.17 | MrWGW-cc | with too little sleep |
| 10:18.24 | MrWGW-cc | my IP address was wrong |
| 10:18.25 | MrWGW-cc | and my apologies |
| 10:18.32 | MrWGW-cc | you know, this is the second time I've had an epic brainfart in here this evening |
| 10:18.42 | MrWGW-cc | I'm just dealing with a nasty Solaris install on another box |
| 10:18.48 | olspookishmagus | any guidelines for installing phpbb3 on lenny? |
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| 10:19.21 | moshii | olspookishmagus: if it isnt packaged install it like you would any other php application |
| 10:19.36 | bolt-work | olspookishmagus: that's not in debian. there are, however, plenty of guides. you don't have to do anything special. just follow the installation instructions at their site |
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| 10:25.18 | MrWGW-cc | another question |
| 10:25.33 | MrWGW-cc | I attempted to do an mkfs -t xfs /dev/md1 and got an error: mkfs.xfs: No such file or directory |
| 10:25.40 | MrWGW-cc | I imagine I need a package of XFS utilities |
| 10:25.48 | MrWGW-cc | what do I want to apt-get or otherwise do? |
| 10:26.08 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: its called xfs-tools or xfs-utils iirc |
| 10:26.17 | toicontento | MrWGW-cc, xfprogs |
| 10:26.29 | toicontento | grr, xfsprogs |
| 10:26.31 | petemc | MrWGW-cc: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:26.48 | moshii | ah yeah, thats the one |
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| 10:30.00 | odder | any debian-mail admins in here? |
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| 10:30.46 | MrWGW-cc | hey |
| 10:30.56 | MrWGW-cc | how do I destroy an mdadm-generated RAID array? |
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| 10:31.12 | RealMurphy | Hi all, I'm a bit stuck right now: I'm running Debian Etch with a self-compiled vanilla kernel build via make-kpkg buildpackage. All seems fine, but when I try to install virtualbox-2.0 and that tries to generate its kernel module it fails. The headers package is installed the symlink under /lib/modules/`uname -r`build is valid but it fails to find the standard include files (e.g. asm/posix_types.h: No such file or directory) |
| 10:31.13 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: man mdadm |
| 10:31.37 | MrWGW-cc | moshii: gee thanks a lot |
| 10:31.53 | MrWGW-cc | see if I help you out next time you're exhausted and trying to wrap something up at 3 in the morning :-p |
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| 10:32.46 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: I'd read the "stuff thats be copied onto my machine during package installation" before asking |
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| 10:33.01 | moshii | or at least stick it into google |
| 10:33.09 | Oohoh | hello! |
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| 10:34.12 | odder | ok, I'll ask another question. I've found a spammer using @debian.org e-mail address. Is there any way I can report his misbehaviour? |
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| 10:34.30 | nmh_j2graw | odder: is the spammer joe-jobbing it, or really using it? |
| 10:34.32 | petemc | odder: anyone can use any address at any time |
| 10:34.39 | RealMurphy | I've tried make mrproper but that complains that arch/x86/mm/Makefile_64 is not found :( |
| 10:34.41 | bolt-work | odder: question is if he is using the debian.org mail server |
| 10:35.07 | Oohoh | i have a pb with my network on debian! i can ping 192.168.1.1, i can ping www.google.com. But Internet Softwares like browser, mail, ... cant access the internet. Moreover The command Aptitude ONLY WORK if i have ping the debian ftp before. |
| 10:35.18 | odder | mmm... I thought there is a mail system, e.g. only a closed group of Debian users getting @debian.org e-mails... |
| 10:35.36 | bolt-work | Oohoh: I'd say your router is misbehaving |
| 10:35.45 | moshii | MrWGW-cc: I don't think you have to destroy an array before you use its parts to make a new one, mdadm will warn that the disk/partition is part of an array and ask you if you wish to continue iirc |
| 10:35.53 | petemc | odder: define using? |
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| 10:36.05 | bolt-work | odder: there is. but anyone can send an email with any address. i can send you an email from yours if you want |
| 10:36.26 | Oohoh | bolt-work what do you mean? not configure? |
| 10:36.32 | Oohoh | sorry i am french :/ |
| 10:36.33 | moshii | odder: You can specify any sender address you like, it doesnt mean the mail is actually coming out of that doamin |
| 10:36.38 | odder | bolt-work: aah, got it. |
| 10:36.40 | bolt-work | Oohoh: #debian-fr |
| 10:36.50 | Oohoh | they dont help me :S |
| 10:36.58 | moshii | odder: s/doamin/domain... this is why people are trying to develop stuff like SPK and domain keys |
| 10:37.05 | moshii | odder: s/SPK/SPF |
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| 10:37.43 | odder | moshii: yeah, okay. I'm looking for the real address... |
| 10:37.48 | mds_ | hi all. On my Debian etch server I'd like to have my root and postmaster email forwarded to my private email using .forward. How can I have those automatically encrypted with my public gnupg-key? Can anyone get me started on that? |
| 10:37.51 | odder | mm. Received: from 77-97-107-230.cable.ubr02.know.blueyonder.co.uk |
| 10:38.01 | moshii | odder: The path it took will be in the headers |
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| 10:38.07 | bolt-work | odder: there is no real address. just check the headers to see what servers it went though |
| 10:38.49 | odder | bolt-work, moshii: I'm using GNU Mailman, it's a mailing list |
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| 10:39.27 | moshii | gets spam from his own address, must be a sleep-self-spammer |
| 10:39.29 | odder | http://pastebin.com/d3bb6ce54 |
| 10:39.56 | moshii | odder: what exactly are you going to do once you found out where it came from? |
| 10:40.55 | odder | moshii: if it comes from debian mail server, I'd like to report the user misbehaving |
| 10:40.56 | moshii | odder: chances are it came from some hijacked windows xp machine owned by a little old granny, you better not give her a hard time. |
| 10:41.13 | odder | moshii: ok, never mind, just wanted to ask :) |
| 10:41.22 | moshii | odder: do the headers suggest it came out of a debian machine? |
| 10:41.32 | odder | we get hundreds of spam msg to the list daily |
| 10:41.43 | odder | moshii: i got no idea |
| 10:41.44 | moshii | odder: spam filter |
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| 10:42.13 | Hash9 | odder: is that all the received headers? |
| 10:42.34 | dtcrshr | good morning! |
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| 10:42.36 | odder | moshii: i'm a list admin, i'm reported by gnu mailman from time to time, so just checked and saw the mail |
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| 10:43.01 | odder | Hash9: gnu mailman doesn't give me more info |
| 10:43.08 | moshii | odder: does your list need to be open to unregisted users? |
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| 10:43.19 | moshii | odder: unregistered |
| 10:43.22 | odder | moshii: yes, it's a public list |
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| 10:43.31 | odder | it doesn't matter, honestly |
| 10:43.37 | odder | anyway, thanks for clarification :) |
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| 10:44.36 | moshii | If it cames from debian machine.. how come it was written(apparently) with outlook |
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| 10:45.07 | jpinx | I just completed a netinstall but when it rebooted I was not online and I can't open network tools - it flashes open and closes itself immediatelyy |
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| 10:47.34 | moshii | jpinx: what network tools are you refering to? |
| 10:47.59 | Zvpun | I want to change my uid to match the uid at work. Is it enough to change it in /etc/passwd and chown all my files to my new uid? |
| 10:48.06 | jpinx | in gnome > Application > network tools |
| 10:48.49 | moshii | jpinx: have you tried using ifconfig et friends |
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| 10:48.58 | Hash9 | Zvpun: you may also wish to change your group id too, but otherwise, yes, you may need to logout of X to make the machine work again |
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| 10:49.15 | FalscherHase | hi. can i reread ~/.XCompose without restarting X? |
| 10:49.40 | jpinx | moshi: ifconfig -a showed lo and my laptop IRdA |
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| 10:49.59 | jpinx | but not my PCMCIA eth card |
| 10:50.17 | jpinx | which it had been using happily for the install |
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| 10:50.25 | moshii | jpinx: how about dmesg, lspci? |
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| 10:51.02 | moshii | jpinx: is it PCMCIA(isa) or really Cardbus(PCI)? |
| 10:51.08 | jpinx | lspci doesn't show it either |
| 10:51.21 | Zvpun | Hash9: What does "usermod -u " do? Does it only change in /etc/passwd? |
| 10:51.57 | jpinx | moshi: it's a Xircom PCMCIA card 10/100 ethcard/modem |
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| 10:52.13 | format_c | lspci would only show the PCMCIA controller |
| 10:52.21 | moshii | jpinx: I have a feeling I used to have one of those.. and it was isa |
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| 10:52.39 | format_c | you have to load the driver first and start the pcmcia tools at startup |
| 10:52.46 | moshii | format_c: if its Cardbus you'll see the PCI devices attached to the slots aswell |
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| 10:53.01 | Hash9 | Zvpun: the man page (lenny) claims it will change the ownership of files in the home directoy |
| 10:53.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 10:53.17 | format_c | With my PCMCIA card I need to do so |
| 10:53.37 | Hash9 | Zvpun: and the CAVEATS section lists other things |
| 10:53.41 | moshii | format_c: because its PCMCIA which is isa |
| 10:53.46 | jpinx | format_c: this is one of a series of netinstalls on different HDD's on this laptop, but the first time I get this problem. |
| 10:53.48 | RealMurphy | OK, I probably found the problem, the headers package build by make-kpkg contains the symlink include/asm to asm-x64_64 but that directory is missing |
| 10:53.53 | format_c | of course |
| 10:53.59 | RealMurphy | Any ideas how and where to fix that? |
| 10:54.00 | moshii | format_c: The cards are the same shape/connector but are totally different things |
| 10:54.35 | format_c | OK I understand |
| 10:54.43 | DexterF | not really debian-specific, but has someone a human-understandable explanation at hand what a DNS stub zone does and when to use it? |
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| 10:55.09 | moshii | jpinx: anyhow its probably isa, so you'll need the right modules/the pcmcia support tools to read the events from the pcmcia bridge |
| 10:55.44 | jpinx | moshi: I have done other netinstalls with this pcmcia eth card and it was fine when I asked for a desktop, but failed when I did a basic installation. This time it has failed with the desktop install |
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| 10:59.10 | jpinx | maybe the easiest thing is to redo the install and see if it works next time - but that implies a bug somewhere. |
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| 11:00.49 | h1bxy | exit |
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| 11:06.36 | ma3x | tois there a tool to compare filesizes of all files and subdirectories in a given directory/ ? |
| 11:06.50 | ma3x | compare with another directory and its structure of course |
| 11:07.18 | gane | <ganes> how the repository is taking the package from binary-i386 even if the binary-ia64 exists |
| 11:07.51 | Mundus | diff? |
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| 11:11.19 | Mundus | ma3x: If you want to compare directories as well you can use mc |
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| 11:11.54 | ma3x | diff lists the common directories, but it doesn't list which files inside the subdirectoires are different |
| 11:12.45 | ma3x | hm im using it wrong |
| 11:12.45 | sandman | What is "legacy mode" for vservers? |
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| 11:13.10 | ma3x | is there no command to compare to directories including all the structure? |
| 11:13.13 | ma3x | to go recursively? |
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| 11:13.16 | ma3x | diff doesn't go |
| 11:13.25 | bolt-work | ma3x: diff has -r |
| 11:13.28 | ma3x | oh |
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| 11:13.45 | themill | ma3x: diff -r or for a graphical interface, kdiff3 |
| 11:13.46 | Mundus | bolt-work: But it doesn't compare folders, just the files in them |
| 11:13.53 | Mundus | mc compares the folders as well |
| 11:14.01 | themill | Mundus: "compares the folder"? |
| 11:14.08 | ma3x | thanks |
| 11:14.17 | ma3x | hehe, windows expression? |
| 11:14.18 | bolt-work | how do you compare a folder? |
| 11:14.27 | Mundus | Darn, my head isn't working |
| 11:14.34 | angryuser | is it normal that libnetfilter-conntrack is soooo old in debina repos ? 0.0.31-1 all other's distros get 0.0.97 |
| 11:14.43 | angryuser | debian* |
| 11:14.47 | Mundus | I was thinking about comparing one directory with another |
| 11:15.03 | ma3x | diff ' compares files line by line ' |
| 11:15.08 | ma3x | i only need to compare the filesize |
| 11:15.21 | bolt-work | man diff |
| 11:15.34 | bolt-work | i think it can print only changed files. those will have different size |
| 11:15.35 | themill | ma3x: you can use the -q option to just tell you if the file has changed. |
| 11:15.39 | bolt-work | what do you need this for anyway? |
| 11:17.28 | ma3x | themill: is -q gonna skip 'line by line' comparation? |
| 11:18.09 | themill | ma3x: it will still do it, but it will only output the list of changed files. |
| 11:18.32 | bolt-work | and it will stop after noticing the first change in a file |
| 11:18.38 | bolt-work | stop reading that file, i mean |
| 11:18.53 | ma3x | can i only compare the filesize? without even looking at the file inside? |
| 11:18.56 | gewt | why is ftp.us.debian.org failing? |
| 11:19.06 | sandman | gewt: How is it failing |
| 11:19.07 | themill | ma3x: if you truly only want to compare file sizes (which is a really bad idea), then output a list of files with filesizes using find for each dir structure and then use diff on them. |
| 11:19.16 | gewt | transfers from it at 19kb/s |
| 11:19.19 | sandman | gewt: It's not failing for me |
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| 11:19.25 | gewt | 12.2kb/s |
| 11:19.27 | jpinx | I just completed a netinstall but when it rebooted I was not online and I can't open network tools - it flashes open and closes itself immediately |
| 11:19.29 | gewt | 10* |
| 11:19.37 | sandman | gewt: You sure it's not you? |
| 11:19.44 | ma3x | themill: how do you do that? can you write example syntax? |
| 11:19.49 | gewt | sander_, ill go mdo a speedtest |
| 11:19.55 | gewt | sandman* |
| 11:19.56 | themill | ma3x: /msg dpkg using find |
| 11:20.05 | format_c | gewt, I would say limited service |
| 11:20.22 | gewt | my internet connectino is normally good :/ |
| 11:20.22 | sandman | gewt: And I just got hit by it also. yes indeed. |
| 11:20.33 | sandman | But I heard that Debian is moving toward BT for distribution of its packages? |
| 11:20.37 | sandman | Which would be great, BTW. |
| 11:21.12 | DexterF | bt...? like in bittorrent? |
| 11:21.57 | gewt | 195ms ping from the speedtest/.net server im using |
| 11:22.05 | gewt | yeah |
| 11:22.18 | gewt | i think im getting around 100kb/s-300kb/s |
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| 11:22.47 | gewt | 70kb/s |
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| 11:24.18 | themill | ma3x: something like: (cd /path/to/dir1 && find -printf "%p\t%s\n" | sort) > dir1.list ; (cd /path/to/dir2 && find -printf "%p\t%s\n" | sort) > dir2.list ; diff dir1.list dir2.list |
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| 11:25.44 | ma3x | themill: holly crap what a syntax |
| 11:27.30 | gane | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.55 | miksuh | are yu sure you don't mean amd64, ia64 is for the systems with itanium cpu |
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| 11:31.37 | miksuh | gane: have you installed i386 version of debian then? |
| 11:32.02 | miksuh | I think you have |
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| 11:32.33 | ma3x | when diff says that binary files 1 and 2 differ, how do you know what part exactly differs? |
| 11:32.36 | themill | ma3x: the syntax is overly complicated just so that the output files land in your current directory: "( cd foobar && do something )" doesn't change the working directory of your shell and the && prevents the find running if you typoed the directory path for the cd. The syntax for find is a little irksome as ever, but nothing that isn't easily found in "man find". |
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| 11:33.03 | themill | ma3x: the directory lists from find? |
| 11:33.17 | drazak | can one of you help me make debtakeover work? |
| 11:33.33 | Mundus | gane: If you just want the binaries you can find them at http://packages.debian.org . They will not work on your system if you don't have an amd64 system installed |
| 11:33.56 | ma3x | i mean if both filesizes are the same, but diff says 'binary files 1 and 2 differ' |
| 11:33.59 | giovine | hello |
| 11:34.04 | ma3x | so why does it say that? |
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| 11:34.36 | giovine | I have debian lenny and I use kde 3.5 like DE. Do you think is it time to update to KDE 4 ? |
| 11:34.36 | Mundus | ma3x: It compares the contents as well |
| 11:34.36 | gane | miksuh, yes |
| 11:34.37 | themill | ma3x: if diff thinks they are binary files then it tries to save you from seeing crap. You can force it to use text based comparison with -a |
| 11:34.41 | drazak | http://rafb.net/p/unv7cH20.html |
| 11:34.53 | themill | dpkg: tell giovine about kde4 |
| 11:35.58 | giovine | I want know if kde4 is stable and with many application. I know if I want install it in my debian lenny I have to install by repository |
| 11:36.27 | themill | giovine: see what dpkg just told you, and ask about kde4 in #debian-kde |
| 11:36.55 | giovine | ok, thanks |
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| 11:37.49 | Mundus | themill: dpkg doesn't complete the last sentence about kde4, in case you are an operator and care enough to fix that |
| 11:38.38 | themill | dpkg: kde4 =~ s/a new/<reply>kde4 is a new/ |
| 11:38.39 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 11:38.47 | themill | Mundus: thanks -- better? |
| 11:38.51 | jpinx | where do I configure what is loaded during boot and on starting X ? |
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| 11:39.57 | Mundus | themill: Probably, I just let you know in case it bothered you if the bot had incomplete replies |
| 11:40.33 | themill | Mundus: it does.. it's something that I've been working on eliminating, but there's only so much we can do unless someone rewrites the output layer of infobot. |
| 11:42.38 | Mundus | themill: To make it detect when it gets a sentence too long for one message? |
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| 11:43.46 | themill | Mundus: yes. When you use "tell" infobot goes and adds extra stuff to the beginning of the factoid which then makes it spill over. Sometimes it tries to split it into two messages, but it seems the split is bugg. |
| 11:43.49 | themill | y |
| 11:46.39 | Mundus | I don't know how much you can do in perl but wouldn't that be fixed if you make it quote the whole factoid and check the length? |
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| 11:48.02 | themill | Mundus: yes. I'm guessing it checks the length in the wrong place. There are other more problematic bugs with infobot though so I think there is some talk about rewriting the output layers completely. |
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| 11:53.36 | flipflop | anyone manage to get rsyslog with relp running on debian? |
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| 11:54.12 | liable | Wesley_: good hairy nose. have a potato! |
| 11:54.18 | liable | oops, echan |
| 11:54.23 | Wesley_ | eh? hehe |
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| 11:55.12 | bolt-work | wtf? |
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| 11:55.41 | liable | a bot in another chanell.. |
| 11:56.01 | sphenxes | i am new for debian (ex SuSE user). Under SuSE (Gnome, Nautilus) I can encrypt any file by clicking on the right mouse and encrypt the file. I do not find this command in Debian Gnome Nautilus (right click and encypt). I Installed kgpg? but hasn't help. any suggestion pleases? |
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| 11:56.53 | bolt-work | sphenxes: that sounds like a weird feature. how is the file encrypted in suse? |
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| 11:57.31 | binary | bolt-work: I've got that feature in Debian? |
| 11:57.40 | sphenxes | binary, how? |
| 11:57.56 | sphenxes | binary, what program should i add? |
| 11:58.09 | bolt-work | binary: so how is the file encrypted, then? what algorithm, and how is the encryption key specified? |
| 11:58.14 | binary | I don't know because it was installed by default |
| 11:58.41 | binary | or hang on maybe I didn't |
| 11:58.41 | bolt-work | ww |
| 11:58.41 | binary | looks |
| 11:59.58 | binary | sphenxes: sorry I don't know much about encryption |
| 12:00.02 | binary | I think it is using pgp |
| 12:00.14 | sphenxes | binary, np, thanks |
| 12:01.19 | Mundus | Strange |
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| 12:01.30 | Mundus | You've got the nautilus-actions package? |
| 12:01.53 | Kharec | ok |
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| 12:06.24 | Mundus | binary: Can you check if you've got the encrypt/decrypt script in nautilus? |
| 12:06.50 | binary | Mundus: if you tell me how? |
| 12:07.08 | binary | Mundus: is it in nautilus-actions? |
| 12:07.35 | Mundus | I have no idea, but the most relevant article I found about nautilus encrypt on google is a script called encrypt/decrypt |
| 12:07.41 | Mundus | I don't have nautilus installed |
| 12:07.53 | binary | Mundus: I don't think it's a script |
| 12:08.02 | Mundus | http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Encrypt%2BDecrypt?content=89310 |
| 12:08.09 | binary | Mundus: it's actually apart of nautlius that is perhaps using some other program as a backend |
| 12:08.26 | HNT | Hello everbody, I would like to do a batch resize (using imagemagick), so I do : convert $file -geometry x600 $file to scale all of them to width / 600. |
| 12:08.26 | HNT | The problem is that an image which have a smaller hight than 600 will be enlarged, how to avoid this ? |
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| 12:10.20 | Mundus | HNT: Put in an if sentence so it skips if the image width < 600 |
| 12:10.20 | Knight_Lord | How can I install freenx in debian? |
| 12:10.25 | binary | Mundus: I don't think that is what I am using |
| 12:10.49 | Mundus | binary: Ok, then I'm out of ideas |
| 12:11.14 | Mundus | Knight_Lord: http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
| 12:11.23 | binary | Mundus: :-/ |
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| 12:11.45 | HNT | Mundus : ok thx |
| 12:11.50 | Mundus | Unless it was that nautilus-actions package, but that sounds like a long-shot |
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| 12:13.18 | binary | Mundus: yeah |
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| 12:16.14 | Stereo | hello |
| 12:16.41 | Stereo | debian is slowly running out of toy story character names; what are we going to do after squeeze? Andy? And after that? |
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| 12:18.02 | petemc | Stereo: theres plenty of names, and anew toy story movie on the way |
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| 12:18.26 | Stereo | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0114709/ says we've used most of them |
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| 12:18.46 | johnfg | Sorry to have to ask this again guys, but am practicing various kinds of install of debian, and want to make sure I get the sources.list correct. |
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| 12:18.58 | Stereo | there's hannah and andy, and toy story 2 doesn't look as good |
| 12:19.04 | petemc | eh? |
| 12:19.09 | johnfg | What is it that I need to add for contrib and non-free? |
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| 12:19.15 | johnfg | In the U.S. |
| 12:19.18 | bolt-work | johnfg: the words... |
| 12:19.21 | petemc | johnfg: contrib and non-free |
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| 12:20.13 | binary | has to go do work |
| 12:20.17 | johnfg | petemc: Well, I did add them at the end of deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main, but I'm not seeing any more updates. |
| 12:20.29 | bolt-work | johnfg: did you actually update? |
| 12:20.32 | Stereo | petemc: for example deb http://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 12:20.57 | bolt-work | johnfg: also, you wont see updates for installed software, because your installed software is not in those repositories |
| 12:20.58 | johnfg | Yep, ran apt-get update, then upgrade, right? |
| 12:21.15 | Stereo | you can try apt-spy to find a quick mirror close to you, ftp.us tend to be quite loaded |
| 12:21.18 | bolt-work | johnfg: you need to actually install something from contrib to use contrib |
| 12:21.31 | Akuw | i have a directory, but i need to copy some files by date |
| 12:21.42 | johnfg | Is there an equivalent of yum search for apt-get? |
| 12:21.42 | Stereo | yeah, what they said. try installing figlet and figfonts, I think those are in non-free |
| 12:21.50 | Stereo | aptitude search |
| 12:21.51 | bolt-work | johnfg: apt-cache search |
| 12:21.55 | johnfg | I'd like to get flash installed. |
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| 12:22.27 | Akuw | any help? |
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| 12:22.36 | johnfg | Apparently I don't have apt-spy. |
| 12:22.46 | bolt-work | johnfg: then you apt-get install apt-spy |
| 12:23.08 | johnfg | apt-get install apt-spy |
| 12:23.13 | bolt-work | not here |
| 12:23.22 | mos3abof | hey guys did anyone install trac from apt-get here before? |
| 12:23.29 | johnfg | bolt, right, wrong paste. mea culpa |
| 12:23.36 | Stereo | then type aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:23.42 | Stereo | and that should be all you need |
| 12:26.02 | bolt-work | mos3abof: ask us what you actually want to know. you are not interested in a list of people who have installed trac |
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| 12:27.33 | mos3abof | bolt-work, i have a problem after installing all the needed packages |
| 12:28.14 | bolt-work | mos3abof: ask us about the problem, specifying error messages, your commands and what you've tried to remedy the problem. and by us, i mean the channel, not me specifically. |
| 12:28.31 | themill | johnfg: you also need a line for the security updates |
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| 12:29.28 | johnfg | themill: I've already got it, but thanks! |
| 12:29.42 | mos3abof | bolt-work, one seond |
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| 12:30.10 | mos3abof | bolt-work, when i run the initenv command |
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| 12:30.19 | themill | johnfg: OK. You said that you weren't seeing updates and only mentioned a regular mirror for etch; there are only very rare updates to the regular mirrors for the stable distribution. |
| 12:30.22 | mos3abof | bolt-work, i get this error Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 12:30.22 | mos3abof | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.22 | mos3abof | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.22 | mos3abof | ImportError: No module named scripts.admin |
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| 12:30.56 | themill | dpkg: tell mos3abof about paste |
| 12:31.14 | johnfg | themill: I had read on the main debian site, and at distrowatch, that there was an October release of etch. |
| 12:31.25 | johnfg | How do I know, that with upgrade, this is what I have? |
| 12:32.00 | themill | johnfg: if you were doing regular updates from security, then there are very few if any changes you would see. The release announcements lists the updated packages. |
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| 12:32.19 | themill | johnfg: (and apt takes care of this for you anyway, with the correct sources.list) |
| 12:32.20 | bolt-work | mos3abof: check this cool site. it lists 64 newsgroup posts and similar related to your problem: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22no+module+named+scripts.admin%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 12:33.05 | mos3abof | bolt-work, thanks |
| 12:33.19 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:33.23 | bolt-work | no problem |
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| 12:36.48 | somnambul | ×ÓÅÍ..ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ. |
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| 12:37.56 | themill | !ru |
| 12:37.56 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:38.51 | spx2 | !ro |
| 12:38.58 | Beket | Greetings everyone. Are there people who use debian in eee 901? How well is it supported? |
| 12:39.00 | spx2 | oh well |
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| 12:39.14 | somnambul | õ ÍÅÎÑ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÙ ÓÏ Ú×ÕËÏÍ. |
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| 12:39.23 | somnambul | ËÁÒÔÏÞËÁ Creative Labs SB LIVE |
| 12:39.34 | somnambul | ÐÏÓÌÅ ÎÁÓÔÒÏÊËÉ alsaconf Ú×ÕË ÐÏÑ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ. |
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| 12:39.40 | somnambul | ÎÏ ÐÏÓÌÅ ÐÅÒÅÚÁÇÒÕÚËÉ ÉÓÞÅÚÁÅÔ. |
| 12:40.17 | bolt-work | what the hey? |
| 12:40.25 | bolt-work | somnambul: #debian-weirdlanguage |
| 12:40.26 | amphi | somnambul: .ru? |
| 12:40.27 | themill | somnambul: /join #debian-russian |
| 12:40.52 | themill | interesting encoding |
| 12:41.04 | DGnome | funny |
| 12:41.12 | somnambul | so...the card is Creative Labs SB LIVE |
| 12:41.16 | DGnome | yaddaydda creative labs yaddayadda |
| 12:41.18 | DGnome | :) |
| 12:41.34 | DGnome | alsaconf even |
| 12:41.39 | somnambul | yep. |
| 12:41.43 | somnambul | alsaconf is working. |
| 12:41.50 | somnambul | but after I reboot computer.. |
| 12:41.55 | somnambul | the sound disappears |
| 12:42.22 | DGnome | somnambul: try to run 'alsactl store' as root when sound works and reboot |
| 12:42.34 | somnambul | ok..I'll try. |
| 12:42.37 | johnfg | ok, flash installed. Thanks! Now, is acroreader in non-free, or go out and get a debian package from adobe? |
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| 12:43.53 | themill | dpkg: tell johnfg about pdf |
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| 12:44.09 | johnfg | And how do I get rid of the annoying http://fpaste.org/paste/8313 |
| 12:44.36 | themill | johnfg: unless you do stuff with annotations and comments a lot, you'll probably find kpdf or evince a better choice than adobe reader |
| 12:44.44 | simonrvn | it's probably KOI-R |
| 12:44.55 | themill | johnfg: keep reading the instructions on backports.org |
| 12:45.01 | simonrvn | themill: ^^^ |
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| 12:45.41 | johnfg | themill: When/if I add the multimedia repo to the sources.list, do I need more than the main? |
| 12:45.43 | Akuw | i have a directory, but i need to copy some files by date |
| 12:45.54 | Akuw | i can find in google |
| 12:46.20 | themill | simonrvn: yeah |
| 12:46.29 | themill | johnfg: no. Everything on dmm is in "main". |
| 12:47.53 | johnfg | themill: Did you see my paste? Is there a gpg key I can import or something? |
| 12:48.07 | themill | johnfg: yes. [12:44] <themill> johnfg: keep reading the instructions on backports.org |
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| 12:48.14 | stoned | good morning |
| 12:48.39 | johnfg | themill: OK, saw, but didn't compute that earlier. Will go read! |
| 12:48.45 | themill | :) |
| 12:48.54 | stoned | hey guys |
| 12:49.03 | stoned | whats the latest rc bug count? |
| 12:49.05 | themill | dpkg: greet stoned |
| 12:49.05 | dpkg | Moo, stoned |
| 12:49.18 | stoned | any factoid for it? |
| 12:49.24 | themill | !lenny status |
| 12:49.24 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 12:49.33 | themill | Number concerning the next release: 177 |
| 12:49.37 | stoned | cool |
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| 12:50.32 | themill | If the current trend continues and we start getting package removals as per previous releases, we're looking at late Nov-mid Dec. |
| 12:51.35 | jsaak | lenny under the xmas tree |
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| 12:53.11 | stoned | cool |
| 12:53.29 | stoned | it will probably be a Xmas gift to the community from Debian |
| 12:53.34 | somnambul | I've tried "alsact1 store" and rebooted |
| 12:53.42 | somnambul | there is no sound again. |
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| 12:56.00 | deviant1 | hai ho captain |
| 12:58.09 | somnambul | store saves the current driver state for the selected soundcard to the configuration file. |
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| 12:58.18 | somnambul | so alsactl didn't help me |
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| 13:04.07 | troubled | someone needs to fix the docs in vnc4server for lenny then :p |
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| 13:04.55 | troubled | the inetd.conf sample in the man page suggests /usr/local, you dont wanna know how much hair I lost over that just now... |
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| 13:09.22 | ma3x | can you set CD final size independent from the total size of all the files? |
| 13:09.43 | ma3x | say you have 600 mbytes on the cd, but you want it to display as it's only a 10 mbytes cd |
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| 13:12.23 | erawfish | ma3x: manually editing the TOC is all you can do there |
| 13:12.37 | ma3x | erawfish: how do i do that? |
| 13:12.41 | erawfish | but yes it is possible to misreperenst the size |
| 13:12.57 | erawfish | you read the iso9660 spec and use a hex editor on the ISO file |
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| 13:13.39 | funky | what's the common way to play .wmv on debian? vlc doesn't do it by default, there is not w32codecs in the official repositories |
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| 13:14.26 | ma3x | erawfish: is there a guide how to do this? how do you read the iso9660 specs? |
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| 13:15.42 | stevil | when i do a "ps auxfww | wc -l" i see only 300 processes, however in "top" i see 5000 processes, how can i see all the processes with ps ? |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | !tell funky about dmm |
| 13:16.00 | funky | thanks abrotman |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | funky: gstreamer might be able to handle it, but i've not tried |
| 13:16.51 | funky | abrotman: I've read about it too, haven't tried here either |
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| 13:18.12 | MrWax | Does anyone know how I can delete all files inside a dir except the ones with for example extension *.gif ? |
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| 13:20.46 | abrotman | ls + grep + xargs ? |
| 13:21.37 | stevil | is there anyway to do have a max percentage of cpu (average over multiple CPU's) for a specific user, so not per process but per user |
| 13:22.11 | unop | MrWax, with bash, rm !(*.gif) |
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| 13:22.48 | acemi | stevil: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 13:23.04 | stevil | acemi: that's only cpu time |
| 13:23.24 | stevil | acemi: i need percentages not cpu time |
| 13:23.38 | johnfg | Any plans to update texlive to texlive 2008? |
| 13:23.50 | stevil | acemi: because cpu time doesn't mean anything, a process can run on only 5% cpu for avery long time, don't care |
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| 13:25.30 | sandman | When moving from Stable to Testing, is aptitude dist-upgrade still the recommended method? |
| 13:25.41 | sandman | Or is safe-upgrading from Stable to Testing possible nowadays? |
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| 13:27.05 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest package for setting my system clock from a reliable source once a day? |
| 13:27.14 | abrotman | !tell Smerdyakov about set the time |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | johnfg: i thought it was already in ? |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | johnfg: guess not, i'd guess after lenny releases |
| 13:28.14 | johnfg | abrotman: right. I've been using my own texlive intallation, but it's 2007. |
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| 13:30.31 | NuMaStresa | hi |
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| 13:30.54 | NuMaStresa | I just finished installing debian etch on my laptop ... do you think it's a good ideea to upgrade to testing ? |
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| 13:33.05 | stevil | isn't it just possible to prevent a certain shell user from eating up all my cpu as in capacity, not in cpu time, but capacity, so "john" may only use 60% cpu in total or something |
| 13:33.10 | theholyduck | NuMaStresa, or unstable for that sake |
| 13:33.17 | theholyduck | i run unstable on just about anything i own |
| 13:33.30 | NuMaStresa | so I should choose etch or sid ... I understand ... what do you use ? |
| 13:34.59 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, I have installed the packages you recommended, but I'm not sure how to get my clock to change. It's definitely still set to the wrong value. Do you have a link to the proper procedure? |
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| 13:37.21 | bolt-work | NuMaStresa: no, no, no. |
| 13:37.34 | NuMaStresa | ? |
| 13:37.52 | erawfish | Smerdyakov: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:38.20 | bolt-work | NuMaStresa: if you use sid, you are supposed to be experienced enough to, for instance, not ask for help in this channel. if you can handle everything on your own and are comfortable with things breaking every time you update, then go right ahead. but for someone who asks if it's a "good idea" to upgrade to testing, i definately wouldn't recommend sid |
| 13:38.57 | MrWax | abrotman: how would that work? |
| 13:39.03 | MrWax | for for example one .gif file? |
| 13:39.10 | Smerdyakov | erawfish, thanks. |
| 13:39.17 | bolt-work | NuMaStresa: it's basically never a good idea to upgrade anything unless you have a reason to do so. and a higher version number is not a valid reason in this case. |
| 13:39.19 | NuMaStresa | ok ... I want a stable debian system ... I guess i'll go with etch .... the only problem I have it's with the applications and the gnome look ... it's ugly |
| 13:39.32 | bolt-work | NuMaStresa: and that's what backports are for |
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| 13:40.01 | NuMaStresa | ok ... thanks for the tips ... I used slackware for a while and got pretty confortable with it ... but I'll give debian a try ... |
| 13:40.05 | NuMaStresa | thanks again for the tips |
| 13:40.10 | bolt-work | np |
| 13:40.24 | bolt-work | just remember, if you go sid, you fix your own problems |
| 13:40.42 | NuMaStresa | ok ... |
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| 13:41.00 | bolt-work | it's called unstable for a reason :) |
| 13:41.09 | Smerdyakov | I always run testing. |
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| 13:41.19 | johnfg | Is the latest evolution available as a backport for etch I wonder? |
| 13:41.21 | bolt-work | Smerdyakov: good for you |
| 13:41.22 | NuMaStresa | :)) cause it breaks all the toys ... right ? :) |
| 13:41.25 | Smerdyakov | Except on production servers, where it's stable. |
| 13:41.25 | johnfg | How do I check for that? |
| 13:42.20 | bolt-work | Smerdyakov: i do the same. but then again i'm comfortable with fixing my own broken packages and dependency problems. and i take the time to read changelists and test everything when something is updated, to make sure my configs work |
| 13:42.21 | johnfg | I like the later version because I can backup and restore all my evolution settings. |
| 13:42.41 | bolt-work | Smerdyakov: that doesn't mean it's adviceable to new users |
| 13:43.02 | Smerdyakov | bohanlon, I don't read changelogs, and I do fine. A few times a year, I come in here asking how to fix horrible breakages. :) |
| 13:43.08 | Smerdyakov | er, bolt-work, " |
| 13:43.24 | bolt-work | Smerdyakov: whatever floats your boat |
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| 13:44.05 | johnfg | Well, themill, I searched on the backports website, and I guess it's not available, yet. |
| 13:44.12 | abrotman | MrWax: ls | grep -v gif | xargs rm ? .. i would *really* test that somewhere that the data doesn't matter |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | MrWax: or use find |
| 13:44.21 | MrWax | ok |
| 13:44.21 | MrWax | sec |
| 13:44.28 | MrWax | abrotman: yea! with find i mean |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | waits for someone to yell about spaces |
| 13:44.36 | MrWax | can you explain, im quite new to ni |
| 13:44.38 | MrWax | unix |
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| 13:45.09 | bolt-work | yells out about not specifying .gif as a minor security measure |
| 13:45.31 | bolt-work | gift.html was just erased |
| 13:45.43 | theholyduck | lalz :) |
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| 13:47.29 | limpio | hi all, how do i measure the amount of watts my box is using? |
| 13:48.02 | johnfg | jthomas: Do you have the latest evolution installed with lenny? |
| 13:48.13 | roe_ | limpio, http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=killawatt&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=1149828401&ref=pd_sl_96h4xy4bj8_b |
| 13:48.16 | bolt-work | limpio: you go down to your nearest hardware store and get a measurement device to plug between your box and the wall. that's the most accurate solution anyway. they cost about 20$.. at least in norway |
| 13:48.17 | roe_ | something like that |
| 13:48.33 | jthomas | johnfg no, i use Kontact for all my email, calendar, etc |
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| 13:49.16 | bolt-work | it would actually be kind of cool to run the case fans based on total power consumption. after all, that's a pretty damn accurate measurement of how much heat is going to be generated in total, which is what the case fans take away |
| 13:49.20 | jthomas | they cost that here also, but i was unable to get myne to read my computer's power draw, it just wouldn't turn on (the computer would, but the box would not; it did for lamps etc tho) |
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| 13:49.32 | jthomas | here = usa |
| 13:49.46 | limpio | bolt-work, thanks pal |
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| 13:50.32 | bolt-work | limpio: there are probably some high-end server psu's which can give a measurement as well, but i'd bet they 1. requre windows drivers and 2. are god damn expensive |
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| 13:51.04 | bolt-work | ..and 3, your box' power consumption would not be the same with and without that psu, because the efficiency level would not be the same |
| 13:51.16 | limpio | bolt-work, thanks again |
| 13:51.23 | bolt-work | np :) |
| 13:51.46 | bolt-work | jthomas: what do you mean your box wouldn't turn on while your computer would. what exactly are you referring to as your "box"? |
| 13:52.22 | jthomas | the power measuring thing |
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| 13:52.42 | bolt-work | jthomas: but it would work for lamps? |
| 13:52.47 | bolt-work | jthomas: that's bloody strange |
| 13:52.52 | stoned | hm |
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| 13:54.06 | bolt-work | jthomas: did you try setting the bios to power on after a power loss, then switching the computer off completely, with the psu switch, plugging it all in and turning on the psu again? |
| 13:54.28 | bolt-work | jthomas: because the only difference i know of is that the computer draws a small amount of current while "off" |
| 13:54.48 | bolt-work | jthomas: so going around that should make the thing work as if the computer was a lamp |
| 13:55.00 | jthomas | no, i just unplugged everything, connected it up, turned the computer on; the computer booted, the power measure thing stayed blank. |
| 13:55.17 | bolt-work | might be what i said. no guarantees though |
| 13:55.36 | jthomas | i was borrowing it from a friend, so no matter now, i don't have it any longer |
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| 13:58.34 | sandman | Is it a good idea to install packages from all 3 distributions? |
| 13:58.40 | sandman | I had heard this was a bad idea. |
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| 14:00.33 | bolt-work | sandman: it's definately a bad idea if you have to ask if it's a good idea |
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| 14:01.06 | bolt-work | sandman: and in most cases, it simply wont work |
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| 14:06.30 | theholyduck | bolt-work, well SOME mix and match works though |
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| 14:07.06 | theholyduck | mixing experimental with sid usually doesn't catastrophically fail |
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| 14:08.38 | bolt-work | theholyduck: sure, but he said "all 3", which most likely implies etch, lenny and sid, in which case sid dependencies will most likely slowly pull your system towards sid anyway |
| 14:09.03 | bolt-work | theholyduck: you will get the sid libc6 pretty soon and then running etch stuff is basically pointless |
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| 14:09.53 | bolt-work | but yes, in some cases, i'm sure you can make it work. but why? |
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| 14:10.43 | Laeborg | Hello |
| 14:10.50 | bolt-work | Laeborg: boo! |
| 14:11.09 | Laeborg | I need someone to code a perl/bash/whatever script for me. Im gonna pay. Anyone ? |
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| 14:11.28 | bolt-work | rentacoder.com |
| 14:11.41 | Laeborg | Maybe i should tell a bit about the script... |
| 14:12.00 | bolt-work | Laeborg: maybe. but if it's a big project, you should seek out that website or similar services |
| 14:12.20 | Laeborg | i don't think its a big project |
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| 14:13.29 | Laeborg | When my FTP server (ProFTPd) get the 'Transfer done' command, the script must start a sfv check. When this check is done, the script must start another script for creating a .torrent file. When this is done the script uploads the torrent and download the new one with passkey and starts seeding |
| 14:14.48 | bolt-work | Laeborg: that sounds like you could just do this manually, figure out what commands to use and then stuff them into a bash script |
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| 14:15.40 | bolt-work | Laeborg: skip the transfer done and go for files last accessed more than a minute ago or something. or use the proftpd logfile |
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| 14:17.01 | moralist | why is there 20 cd:s to choose from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-cd/ ? |
| 14:17.09 | moralist | *21 |
| 14:17.33 | bolt-work | moralist: that's the whole distribution |
| 14:17.36 | mker | moralist: they contain all packages |
| 14:17.40 | bolt-work | moralist: you don't need that |
| 14:17.53 | moralist | bolt-work: Then, what do I need? |
| 14:17.58 | bolt-work | moralist: netinst image |
| 14:18.02 | bolt-work | moralist: probably |
| 14:18.10 | bolt-work | ~200 mb |
| 14:18.13 | theholyduck | i always just use unetbootin |
| 14:18.23 | theholyduck | and make a debian install usbpen |
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| 14:18.45 | moralist | bolt-work: Okey, thanks! |
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| 14:20.08 | Laeborg | bolt-work: have thinking about usign proftpd logfile |
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| 14:20.40 | Laeborg | i cant bash, therefore i seek a coder for this |
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| 14:22.59 | Sling | Laeborg : but this is not the place to ask that |
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| 14:24.09 | theholyduck | Laeborg, try #bash |
| 14:24.10 | theholyduck | or something |
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| 14:24.50 | jak0b | What ClusterFS should I use to build a storage cluster? GFS2, OFCS2, Lustre, others? |
| 14:24.55 | theholyduck | Laeborg, not to mention. im FAIRLY sure. that the ftp server prints a transfer complete for each file. |
| 14:25.01 | theholyduck | and most torrents are composed of more than 1 file. |
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| 14:25.29 | Laeborg | hmm what can i then do ? |
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| 14:27.25 | theholyduck | Laeborg, you can probaly work around that |
| 14:27.34 | theholyduck | but i got no idea how :) |
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| 14:29.11 | anddam | hello |
| 14:29.33 | Lagbolt | hello anddam |
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| 14:32.22 | anddam | #gnome is pretty dead as usual, can anyone suggest me a gnome theme with small decorations? I'd like to get the most space from my 1024x768 |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman | anddam: #gnome on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 14:34.16 | anddam | abrotman: no, freenode |
| 14:34.25 | marc7 | why the hell would an ifup <interface> take down all the interfaces on a box? |
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| 14:34.49 | anddam | 2nd time, did I have a reason ? |
| 14:35.01 | amphi | anddam: MurrinaElf is quite compact |
| 14:36.18 | anddam | I'll have a look |
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| 14:42.08 | fpcfan | the fpc maintainer send a mail to linux.debian.devel.release to replace fpc 2.2.0 by fpc 2.2.2 in lenny: linux.debian.devel.release |
| 14:42.33 | fpcfan | Is a debian bug report for this still desirable? |
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| 14:43.54 | mcbane | hi |
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| 14:45.30 | mcbane | what do I have to do, that debian calls dhclient to get a ip adress from a dhcp server, if I plug in the cable? It works, if the cable is connected on boot time. But since it is a laptop ... |
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| 14:46.06 | format_c | Use NetworkManager |
| 14:46.11 | Hash9 | mcbane: is the interface set to auto or hotplug? |
| 14:46.21 | mcbane | Hash9: auto |
| 14:46.33 | mcbane | do I need to change auto to hotplug? |
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| 14:47.11 | Hash9 | mcbane: shouldn't do |
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| 14:48.40 | anddam | amphi: seems that actualyl it's just control theme, and window bar is the same height anyway |
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| 14:49.40 | moralist | isn't it a debian installation-cd with network-manager already installed? |
| 14:49.56 | moralist | (but without wm) |
| 14:50.33 | jpinx | am I right in thinking that etchnhalf is redundant if I have 4.0 ? |
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| 14:54.27 | abrotman | jpinx: depends on your needs, the newer kernel and intel xorg driver are important items |
| 14:54.57 | alcohol | is it possible to run a cronjob on the first day of the month? |
| 14:55.12 | alcohol | as in |
| 14:55.14 | jpinx | abrotman: so it's worth doing the etchnhalf upgrade? |
| 14:55.17 | alcohol | I need to rephrase |
| 14:55.26 | alcohol | every first monday of the month |
| 14:55.35 | jpinx | !dpkg etchnhalf |
| 14:55.35 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 14:57.03 | alcohol | is it possible to run a cronjob on the first monday of the month? |
| 14:57.40 | asg | alcohol: not with cron itself but if you run it every monday and have the script check that it's the first, that should do in a pinch |
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| 14:58.29 | alcohol | I see |
| 14:58.33 | alcohol | thank you (: |
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| 14:58.56 | asg | alcohol: there maybe newer crons that can do that so that might be worth a look if you don't mind replacing the standard cron |
| 14:59.11 | jpinx | !upgrade etchnhalf |
| 14:59.48 | jpinx | what's the upgrade procedure to go from etch to etchnhalf? |
| 15:00.24 | abrotman | you just install the packages you want .. apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 15:00.46 | jpinx | k |
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| 15:01.13 | stew | jpinx: aptitude upgrade |
| 15:01.40 | angelblade | alcohol, http://www.linuxconfig.org/Linux_Cron_Guide |
| 15:02.14 | jpinx | stew: does that take me to etchnhalf or to lenny? |
| 15:02.25 | moralist | I'm not sure of which "parameters" I should use when installing debian with wireless network.. |
| 15:02.36 | alcohol | angelblade: insightful but does not solve my situation. thank you though (: |
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| 15:02.54 | angelblade | alcohol, you need read.... |
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| 15:03.20 | asg | angelblade: that doesn't answer his question though |
| 15:03.25 | alcohol | angelblade: I did read. |
| 15:03.46 | alcohol | angelblade: it has become clear to me cron cannot handle 'first monday of month'. I will need to add logic into application itself. |
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| 15:06.25 | anddam | amphi: Font preferences -> Window title font |
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| 15:07.43 | angelblade | 0 0 1-7 * 1 command |
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| 15:12.30 | anddam | bye |
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| 15:12.59 | asg | angelblade: good point, that might work. |
| 15:13.02 | asg | alcohol: ^^ |
| 15:13.21 | angelblade | ^_^ |
| 15:13.29 | stevil | anyone know if dante-server-1.1.19 is in debian backports for etch? |
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| 15:14.03 | angelblade | asg, other tricks on http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-eventtime.html |
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| 15:14.43 | eldkatt | I'm trying to install libc6_2.7-15_i386 (upgrading from 2.7-14), but dpkg says "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1". I'm totally lost on how to diagnose this, and I'm sitting with a bunch of half-upgraded packages, so I need to fix it somehow... Any ideas? |
| 15:15.20 | asg | angelblade: will keep that in mind. Thanks. |
| 15:15.54 | alcohol | angelblade: not so sure that is going to work.. |
| 15:16.36 | alcohol | angelblade: "0 0 1-7 * 1 somecommand" will run command on the first 7 days of each month and on every Monday of each month. |
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| 15:19.54 | valdyn | eldkatt: what does "ls /bin/sh" give? |
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| 15:21.12 | eldkatt | valdyn: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-10-26 19:31 /bin/sh -> zsh |
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| 15:22.05 | valdyn | eldkatt: maybe that script will only work with bash |
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| 15:22.21 | valdyn | eldkatt: or maybe you should switch on debug output with -x |
| 15:22.41 | eldkatt | debug output for the shell? |
| 15:23.22 | valdyn | eldkatt: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst and add a -x to the first line |
| 15:23.54 | valdyn | eldkatt: that bug is not in the bts yet, which makes it likely that its due to some rare setup, like using zsh for /bin/sh, probably |
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| 15:25.08 | valdyn | eldkatt: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debugging-shell-script.html |
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| 15:29.20 | eldkatt | valdyn: you're absolutely right. It works perfectly when I use bash instead. So zsh's claimed "bash-compatible" mode when invoked as /bin/sh isn't entirely reliable. Thanks! |
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| 15:31.28 | aixenv | i need to do a find for any files modified within the last 24 hrs, that's +mtime 1 right ? |
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| 15:33.00 | aixenv | erm sorry -mtime 0 |
| 15:33.06 | aixenv | i figured it out |
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| 15:38.31 | rhombus | I have a script in /etc/cron.hourly, and cron is not running it. |
| 15:38.55 | rhombus | I can't figure out why this isn't working. |
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| 15:40.31 | Lagbolt | rhombus, is it executable? |
| 15:40.41 | rhombus | Yeah, it is. |
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| 15:41.02 | rhombus | Lagbolt: mode 0755 |
| 15:41.08 | Lagbolt | rhombus, can you pastebin the script? |
| 15:41.11 | rhombus | Lagbolt: Sometimes people say it's an environment problem, but this is dead simple. |
| 15:41.15 | rhombus | Lagbolt: Sure, no problem :) |
| 15:41.50 | rhombus | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1240671 |
| 15:42.12 | rhombus | Lagbolt: fyi, this script is in /etc/cron.hourly |
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| 15:43.01 | Lagbolt | hmm all my cron scripts start with #!/bin/sh but i dont think #!/bin/bash should make a diff |
| 15:44.14 | Lagbolt | rhombus, you should add a line that says something like "echo my script worked | logger" just to see if the script runs at all. maybe something in the commands you have running is causing the problem |
| 15:44.24 | Lagbolt | echoing to logger will show up in /var/log/messages |
| 15:45.02 | rhombus | Lagbolt: oh, okay |
| 15:45.06 | rhombus | Lagbolt: I'll try that. |
| 15:45.26 | rhombus | Lagbolt: Here are some more details: http://pastebin.ca/1240674 |
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| 15:46.33 | alcohol | case: I will be storing images into folders by ID, where ID is an incrementing integer. what would be a nice method to calculate a nested directory structure based on ID (in order to avoid ending up with over 1237812319001 images in one folder) |
| 15:46.38 | Lagbolt | rhombus, not sure if things like "cd /foo/foo" work in cron scripts |
| 15:46.55 | rhombus | Lagbolt: okay, I'll try invoking it directly |
| 15:47.04 | rhombus | Lagbolt: that is, with an absolute path |
| 15:47.22 | Lagbolt | rhombus, what if you did http://pastebin.ca/1240678 |
| 15:47.42 | wiedenmann | I need help geting the "Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100" (8086:4232) to work. I am running debian testing with kernel 2.6.26-1-686. iwconfig shows no wireless extensions. I think I need to load the correct module. |
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| 15:49.01 | Lagbolt | wiedenmann, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 15:49.08 | Lagbolt | wiedenmann, try 2.6.27 kern |
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| 15:50.23 | rhombus | Lagbolt: It uses run-parts, but when I invoke run-parts directly, as in |
| 15:50.31 | rhombus | Lagbolt: run-parts -v /etc/cron.hourly |
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| 15:50.35 | rhombus | Lagbolt: nothing happens |
| 15:50.45 | rhombus | Lagbolt: so i don't think it's running anything at all |
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| 15:51.28 | Lagbolt | rhombus, let me try to make one brb |
| 15:51.49 | vader-- | i was wondering |
| 15:52.02 | vader-- | i am running debian 3.1, i need to do a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:52.07 | vader-- | it doesn't seem to like it |
| 15:52.36 | Lagbolt | rhombus, works with /bin/sh does not work with /bin/bash |
| 15:53.11 | rhombus | Lagbolt: Doesn't work with either, here |
| 15:53.14 | rhombus | check it out: |
| 15:53.21 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 15:53.31 | rhombus | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1240687 |
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| 15:53.39 | rhombus | run-parts is not even running the script |
| 15:53.51 | rhombus | Lagbolt: I have to figure out why |
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| 15:54.35 | stew | rhombus: the filename you have chosen is one that will be ignored by run-parts (man run-parts) |
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| 15:54.45 | rhombus | stew: ah |
| 15:54.46 | Lagbolt | its not even trying to run it? |
| 15:54.50 | rhombus | stew: elaborate |
| 15:54.58 | Lagbolt | rhombus, pastebin ls -l /etc/cron.hourly |
| 15:55.16 | tvmanukrishnan | Installed apache in Debian... Problems with permissions.... what to do? |
| 15:55.50 | rhombus | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/1240689 |
| 15:55.52 | stew | rhombus: "man run-parts" is a command that will show you the "man page" for run-parts. a man page is like a consise manual. in the first section of this manual it will describe which filenames run-parts ignores |
| 15:56.16 | stew | rhombus: well not the first section, but the first paragraph |
| 15:57.04 | Lagbolt | there are naming restrictions eh |
| 15:57.14 | stew | Lagbolt: yes |
| 15:57.23 | Lagbolt | i see that. interesting |
| 15:57.33 | Lagbolt | doesnt run .sh |
| 15:58.21 | rhombus | Lagbolt: yeah, that fixed it |
| 15:58.29 | rhombus | Lagbolt: man, that is arcane |
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| 15:58.43 | rhombus | stew, Lagbolt: what the hell for? |
| 15:58.59 | rhombus | no wonder I use fcron. |
| 16:00.18 | Crypticfortune | rhombus: makes it easy to make scripts _not_ run, or leave different versions lying around (eg. mycron.backup)? |
| 16:00.33 | stew | rhombus: so that debian can create backup files named .dpkg.dist when it doesn't want to overwrite your local changes |
| 16:00.48 | rhombus | stew: so it's debian specific? |
| 16:00.55 | stew | rhombus: run-parts is, yes |
| 16:01.03 | rhombus | stew: ah |
| 16:01.17 | rhombus | stew: okay, well... I learn something new every day. Thank you. |
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| 16:03.39 | clouseau | What is the hard ServerLimit value for apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.3-4+etch4? |
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| 16:04.47 | clouseau | or maybe a better question is, where would I look to find how that package is compiled on Debian? |
| 16:04.47 | tvmanukrishnan | can't change permissions in Lenny... Its getting resetted... please help |
| 16:04.59 | stew | clouseau: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg sourdce |
| 16:05.05 | stew | clouseau: err /msg dpkg source |
| 16:05.10 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:06.34 | clouseau | stew: thanks! |
| 16:06.59 | tvmanukrishnan | Installed apache server. tried changing the permission of /var/www to all, but its getting resetted back |
| 16:08.33 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: tried chmod a+rwx /var/www |
| 16:09.19 | wiedenmann | What do I have to do to get a 2.6.27 kernel? As far as I can tell its not in unstable, did I miss something? I am running testing but a 2.6.27 kernel is required for my wlan card. |
| 16:09.22 | alcohol | I will be storing images into folders by ID, where ID is an incrementing integer. what would be a nice method to calculate a nested directory structure based on ID (in order to avoid ending up with over 1237812319001 images in one folder)? |
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| 16:09.58 | alcohol | dynamic would be best, but currently I have a fixed script (which does not handle over 100 million files very well I guess) |
| 16:11.01 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: how soon does it get changed back |
| 16:11.13 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: you should not be using a+rwx. at most you should be using g+rwx |
| 16:11.31 | tvmanukrishnan | at the instant itself |
| 16:11.33 | stew | wiedenmann: you can get 2.6.27 from kernel.org |
| 16:11.51 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: why are you trying to use a+rwx? |
| 16:11.57 | wiedenmann | stew: is there any debian infrastructure to compile it? |
| 16:12.03 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: its a home system |
| 16:12.04 | stew | wiedenmann: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 16:12.31 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: you don't want a+w you want g+w |
| 16:12.31 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: not a real server |
| 16:12.56 | jelly | wiedenmann: there's a build in the debian-kernel build repo |
| 16:13.02 | wiedenmann | stew: does that apply to the 2.6.27 source from kernel.org too or is it only for kernel-source debian packages? |
| 16:13.04 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: k... but in gui, I cant chage any permissions |
| 16:13.10 | wiedenmann | jelly: I dont understand. |
| 16:13.10 | stew | wiedenmann: any |
| 16:13.39 | jelly | wiedenmann: topic for #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org: |
| 16:13.44 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: is there any permission problems with fat32 filesystems? |
| 16:14.02 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: yes, fat32 dosn't have the concept of permissions at all |
| 16:14.04 | jelly | wiedenmann: [...] snapshots: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel [...] |
| 16:14.47 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: so, if the filesystem is fat32, I cant use it fow writing files under apache? |
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| 16:15.20 | jelly | wiedenmann: or to be more specific, deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main |
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| 16:15.55 | stew | tvmanukrishnan: no, you can write to fat32 filesystems. /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:16.01 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.27-1-686 |
| 16:16.03 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.27-1-686: |
| 16:18.07 | Lagbolt | jelly, oh cool i did not know about that. interesting |
| 16:18.24 | tvmanukrishnan | stew: k thanks... let me try it out |
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| 16:26.05 | Smerdyakov | Is there a Debian package for the com.sun.corba Java package? |
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| 16:29.50 | ronr | do I understand LVM correctly if I assume that if I create a LVM partition on a harddisk now and add a second harddisk later, I can add the second harddisk's capacity to the existing LVM partition? |
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| 16:33.29 | faffi | wheres the right place to put a command i want to run when xorg starts? |
| 16:33.39 | asg | ~/.xsession |
| 16:33.40 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
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| 16:34.23 | faffi | what do WM/DE stand for? |
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| 16:34.40 | asg | window manager / desktop environment |
| 16:34.42 | InnerFIRE | anyone know where to find a ipsec howto that assumes tunneled connections from dynamic ips and uses pre shared keys ? |
| 16:34.52 | faffi | asg: thank you |
| 16:34.55 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 16:38.38 | wiedenmann | jelly, stew: thank you for your help and support! |
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| 16:39.25 | illio | Hmm having a bit of trouble here.. MySQL is showing up in port scans of my Debian server.. however I have set bind-address 127.0.0.1 in /etc/mysql/my.cnf .. so I don't really understand why? |
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| 16:40.39 | grul | how do i know which distro/version i am running? |
| 16:41.20 | erawfish | illio: you portscan from the machine mysql is running on? |
| 16:41.21 | asg | grul: /etc/debian_version |
| 16:41.45 | unbalanced | hi suddenly while working today in putty to my debian server, ls and htop seem to freeze |
| 16:41.49 | illio | erawfish, no.. |
| 16:42.01 | erawfish | illio: netstat -plunt |
| 16:42.03 | illio | erawfish, I did the portscan from a laptop on another network |
| 16:42.14 | grul | asg, thanks |
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| 16:43.05 | illio | erawfish, yeah .. it shows mysqld.. port 3306 |
| 16:43.14 | erawfish | illio: show US |
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| 16:44.31 | illio | erawfish, http://pastebin.com/d23678524 |
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| 16:45.22 | erawfish | illio: hidden ip? |
| 16:45.48 | illio | erawfish, yeah.. I'm not gonna post my ip on an irc channel.. I'm not an idiot! |
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| 16:46.02 | erawfish | suit yourself. no exact information, no help |
| 16:46.27 | erawfish | 17:46 -!- illio [n=illio@90.185.18.107] |
| 16:46.27 | illio | erawfish, you don't need the IP.. |
| 16:46.45 | illio | erawfish, as I just said.. I'm on a laptop.. on another network.. |
| 16:46.48 | jhamlin | when I open a MS-Visio SVG file with Inkscape (etch) the fonts appear too large. The font is supposed to be Arial 8pt but is being rendered as Arial 12 or 15pt. Is it possible that this is a font problem with my system rather than a problem with inkscape or visio? |
| 16:47.30 | erawfish | illio: either you give us all info we ask for or you can get a conslutant do set stuff up for you. Have a nice day |
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| 16:48.03 | erawfish | *sult* |
| 16:48.10 | faffi | lol |
| 16:48.28 | cesar_CR | hello guys, how can I set a debian server to sync the date with an ntp server via console ? |
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| 16:49.31 | erawfish | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 16:50.29 | abrotman | !tell cesar_CR about set the time |
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| 16:50.49 | Videal | hello! |
| 16:50.54 | inad922 | hello |
| 16:51.11 | inad922 | Could someone tell me how can one redefine the color palette used by xterm? |
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| 16:51.50 | Videal | Could someone tell me if it is possible to run a raid with the ICH9R controller in Debian? |
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| 16:51.58 | abrotman | ich9 is fake raid |
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| 16:52.12 | Videal | fake raid you mean software raid, right? |
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| 16:52.30 | erawfish | yes |
| 16:52.40 | stew | Videal: yes, which means you should just use linux's built in software raid |
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| 16:55.15 | Videal | stew, I am a bit noob in this area, could you give me some hints? I'm running debian (2.6.18) in a 750gb SATA disk. Now I've bought 4 1TB SATA disks and I want to make a raid with these 4 disks. Is it possible? My MB is a supermicro X7SBE |
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| 16:57.02 | stew | Videal: sorry, i can't, but perhaps someone else knows |
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| 16:58.05 | Quibus | hi |
| 16:58.23 | faffi | hello |
| 16:58.23 | Videal | thx anyway stew :) Anybody plz!? |
| 16:58.39 | jhamlin | could someone point me in the right direction for how I can run winblows "virtualized"? don't know if that's the right terminology... |
| 16:58.42 | Quibus | I have a weird problem with fonts. When my girlfriend logs in, she gets tiny fonts. When I log in, I get normal fonts. The sizes in GNOME are all set to 10. When doing xdpyinfo, she sees 75x75dpi, I see 112x105dpi... What could be the cause? |
| 16:59.03 | faffi | jhamlin: like in vmware? |
| 16:59.27 | stew | Quibus: from memory, somehitng like settings->appearance in the gnome menu will let you set the dpi |
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| 17:00.21 | jhamlin | faffi: yeah, I think |
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| 17:00.40 | Quibus | stew: found it! Too bad there's no 'auto detect', which uses the X info |
| 17:02.39 | jhamlin | faffi: hmmm is vmware something you have to pay for? |
| 17:02.58 | erawfish | jhamlin: generally yes |
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| 17:03.14 | erawfish | jhamlin: what do you want to run under windows? |
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| 17:04.04 | erawfish | Videal: first you need to decide what kind of raid you wan |
| 17:04.07 | erawfish | *want |
| 17:04.13 | jhamlin | erawfish: Microcal Origin (graphing program), Kaleida graph, MS-Visio |
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| 17:04.44 | erawfish | Use virtualbox. it's in debian |
| 17:04.49 | jhamlin | erawfish: wine puts bugs in the first two and haven't tried the third under wine |
| 17:04.55 | jhamlin | erawfish: ah cool |
| 17:05.14 | faffi | jhamlin: download vmware source from their website and compile it |
| 17:05.15 | erawfish | or if you want to run seamless mode you might need a newer version available from virtualbox.org |
| 17:05.34 | erawfish | faffi: you canot. vmware is a clsoed source program |
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| 17:06.24 | jhamlin | erawfish: what is "seamless mode?" |
| 17:06.25 | faffi | um |
| 17:06.50 | erawfish | the virtualized apps look like any other window on your desktop |
| 17:06.57 | erawfish | but run under the VM |
| 17:07.03 | jhamlin | oooh cool |
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| 17:07.22 | Nibbler | erawfish: thats available as open source for linux?? |
| 17:07.24 | Nibbler | wow |
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| 17:07.30 | Nibbler | prepares to stomp his vmware |
| 17:07.40 | jhamlin | Does one need a very powerful machine to run virtualbox? |
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| 17:08.32 | erawfish | no. but lots of RAM |
| 17:08.41 | faffi | why would you run virtualbox over vmware |
| 17:08.42 | Nibbler | nisa.... |
| 17:08.49 | Nibbler | nice |
| 17:08.54 | Nibbler | me? |
| 17:08.57 | erawfish | faffi: cause it's Free and GPLed? |
| 17:08.59 | stew | faffi: becuase virtualbox is free |
| 17:09.08 | faffi | vmware server is free too? |
| 17:09.17 | Nibbler | free, like in "free beer" |
| 17:09.20 | faffi | lol |
| 17:09.22 | stew | faffi: vmware is not even close to free |
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| 17:09.38 | faffi | when i can download it and not pay for it, i consider it free |
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| 17:09.51 | erawfish | we know that. but we don't share your views |
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| 17:10.00 | jelly | we? |
| 17:10.02 | stew | faffi: that's not what free means in this channel, /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 17:10.05 | faffi | ok, then how it is it notfree |
| 17:10.08 | erawfish | jelly: debian... |
| 17:10.21 | stew | faffi: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 17:10.28 | jelly | uses nonfree virtualbox anyway |
| 17:10.48 | Nibbler | faffi: you are not free to use the source and modify... how is that free then at all? |
| 17:10.56 | Nibbler | jelly, why nonfree? |
| 17:11.04 | abrotman | Nibbler: beer free |
| 17:11.06 | faffi | by free, i mean i dont have to pay for it |
| 17:11.12 | jelly | Nibbler: USB2 support |
| 17:11.13 | Nibbler | hehe |
| 17:11.16 | faffi | i didnt know you guys were talking about free in reference to the code |
| 17:11.19 | erawfish | faffi: what you mean is irrelevant here |
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| 17:11.48 | faffi | erawfish: ok, im sorry? |
| 17:11.50 | Nibbler | jelly: thats a good point :\ |
| 17:12.38 | erawfish | Nibbler: as long as you don't have windwos only devices it's ok not to use the PUER |
| 17:13.23 | Nibbler | well, avoiding hdd access overhead by plugging in usb2 external hdds would have been my idea |
| 17:13.30 | jhamlin | erawfish: like how much RAM would you suggest? |
| 17:14.11 | jelly | Nibbler: exactly. Gives me a way to fsck an external ntfs |
| 17:14.11 | Nibbler | jhamlin: the ram you want your linux to have + the ram you want your guest to have :) |
| 17:15.27 | jhamlin | Nibbler: hmmm one gig probably a bit low then... |
| 17:15.37 | Nibbler | ....depends... |
| 17:16.06 | jhamlin | So virtual box doesn't do "seemless mode". Is it tricky to set up or pretty straightforward... |
| 17:16.17 | jhamlin | Well ram is cheap I suppose |
| 17:16.32 | jelly | jhamlin: it does seamless; but that's pretty much a hack |
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| 17:17.29 | jelly | jhamlin: you can't put emulated Windows' windows behind X ones |
| 17:17.50 | jhamlin | jelly: they always come to the forefront you mean? |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | they don't come, already being there |
| 17:18.51 | jhamlin | jelly: gotcha. but they can be minimized? |
| 17:19.51 | jelly | jhamlin: yes. Imagine a windows environment where the desktop is completely transparent, and X can be seen through there - that's pretty much what seamless does |
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| 17:22.09 | jhamlin | jelly: that should be okay. guess I'll have to give it a try |
| 17:22.15 | jhamlin | thanks for the info folks |
| 17:22.20 | disposable | how do i redirect output to multiple (3) files using tee? without piping tee into tee into tee, etc. |
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| 17:29.28 | jelly | disposable: just name one more output file |
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| 17:32.58 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:33.02 | inad922 | is there any program with which I can check that a given file belongs to which package? |
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| 17:33.57 | Posterdati | please I need hints on server machine to run debian cluster: I was looking to Sun Fire class machine... |
| 17:34.01 | simonrvn | inad922: um, dpkg does. man dpkg |
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| 17:42.04 | inad922 | simonrvn, thanks dpkg-query -S did it |
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| 17:47.35 | simonrvn | inad922: dpkg -S is what's usually used. you can use packages.d.o or apt-file for stuff not installed |
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| 17:48.44 | zophy | how can i tell which usb devices are recognized and where they are mounted ? |
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| 17:51.40 | fbn | how much slower will a harddisk get if it's encrypted? |
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| 17:52.19 | abrotman | that depends on things like the speed of your CPU for one thing |
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| 17:53.06 | fbn | 2.2 GHz |
| 17:53.10 | fbn | it's a fast machine :) |
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| 17:53.25 | fbn | but I'm using VirtualBox and it seems slow ... |
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| 17:55.41 | ftp3 | is there a utility that will test my hard drive(s) for problems in debian? |
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| 17:58.58 | asg | ftp3: badblocks |
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| 17:59.09 | ftp3 | asg, thanks |
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| 18:04.26 | Crypticfortune | ok, so i think I finally have dovecot+exim+spamassin singing happily together. my next challenge is to make some little user management script to handle the dovecot password file. I want to make sure users aren't using their system passwords for their mail passwords. is there some simple way I can just call pam and say "authorize me with this password!" to test? |
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| 18:08.04 | SidGBF | how do I get CPU temperature? |
| 18:08.09 | Crypticfortune | discovers Authen::PAM in CPAN. Bloody awesome. |
| 18:08.24 | Oohoh | put your finger on? |
| 18:08.38 | Crypticfortune | !sensors |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | [lm_sensors] a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:08.38 | stew | SidGBF: try "acpi -V" |
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| 18:09.40 | Crypticfortune | stew: that doesn't work on my core2duo =( |
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| 18:10.16 | SidGBF | " CPU1: Temperature above threshold", "CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode"... how serious is it? |
| 18:10.16 | stew | Crypticfortune: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
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| 18:10.24 | jelly | aptitude install --with-recommends virtualbox-2.0 [...] |
| 18:10.31 | jelly | The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: |
| 18:10.38 | jelly | ... |
| 18:11.25 | Crypticfortune | stew: all i get back is "Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 7" and same for "Cooling 1". No temperatures in there.... |
| 18:11.42 | stew | Crypticfortune: is the thermal module loaded? |
| 18:11.55 | Crypticfortune | stew: yes |
| 18:12.09 | stew | Crypticfortune: yeah, then try lm-sensors |
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| 18:12.32 | Crypticfortune | stew: heheh yeah, that works. i just didn't know it was even possible via acpi (and was sad it didn't work for me =P |
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| 18:13.04 | stew | Crypticfortune: yes, its certainly possible. it works on most of my machines (including some with core2duo) |
| 18:13.25 | SidGBF | "CPU1: Temperature above threshold", "CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode"... how serious is it? I was encoding a video... |
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| 18:14.14 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: if it's still running, i think you'll live. try using lm-sensors to get an exact temperature if you're curious |
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| 18:16.12 | SidGBF | how do I use them? |
| 18:17.02 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: /msg dpkg sensors |
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| 18:18.09 | ftp3 | my usb cdrom drive ejected the cd.. is there a way to make it bring the cd back in without manually pushing the button? |
| 18:18.15 | SidGBF | do I add the stuff at /etc/modules? |
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| 18:19.30 | SidGBF | sensors says that it can´t find any sensor |
| 18:19.34 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: or have it add them for you. you can "modprobe -a <moduleA> [moduleB ...]" for now |
| 18:19.40 | Oohoh | what is the best jabber client in your opinion? |
| 18:19.48 | SidGBF | is it safe? |
| 18:20.18 | Crypticfortune | ftp3: man eject (then eject -t) |
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| 18:20.43 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: probably? |
| 18:20.57 | SidGBF | Still no sensors found... |
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| 18:21.56 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: sensors-detect didn't find anything? |
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| 18:22.28 | SidGBF | found some, I allowed to add them in /etc/modules but still nothing |
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| 18:23.33 | Crypticfortune | SidGBF: just adding them to /etc/modules won't actually load them until you reboot. for now you to have to modprobe them to load them |
| 18:24.23 | SidGBF | mmm |
| 18:24.28 | SidGBF | it is our server... |
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| 18:26.08 | SidGBF | weird that it see that processor is hot, but can't say how hot... |
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| 18:28.22 | rvsjoen | any easy way to extract the config of the current running stock debian kernel in etch ? |
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| 18:28.54 | rvsjoen | or will it be the same config used to build the binary kernel if I grab the source version with the same version numbers |
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| 18:30.55 | amphi | rvsjoen: it should be in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:31.45 | rvsjoen | sweet, thanks |
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| 18:38.51 | Peterchen | hi, i have a problem. a NTFS partition is not longer existent. testdisk finds it in an backup bootsec. wenn i load the backup, the patition is away again. where is the misstake i made |
| 18:38.53 | Peterchen | ? |
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| 18:43.58 | psiklone | can anyone tell me what this means? everytime my box boots, auth.log tells me (passed from su): Successful su for <username> by root. +console root:<username>. (pam_unix) session opened for user <username> by (uid=0). (pam_unix) session closed for user <username> -- does this mean a startup script is running some process as psiklone and exiting? |
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| 18:47.03 | anxt__ | where can i get powerpc-linux-uclibc-objcopy for x86 ? |
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| 18:48.41 | jelly | anxt__: somewhere near the emdebian project, if anywhere |
| 18:49.17 | anxt__ | yeah thats what i thought |
| 18:50.46 | jelly | "To build your own toolchain, try [...]" :-) |
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| 18:54.52 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 18:57.44 | cafaro | d |
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| 18:59.45 | marc7 | if I have two network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, and I want them both to be able to grab a lease from DHCP, but I only want the route of *one* of them to count... IE: i don't want traffic passing across one of the two interfaces |
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| 19:00.02 | marc7 | how would I do that from the /etc/network/interfaces config file? |
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| 19:01.26 | Serraphyn | licks XTZGZorex |
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| 19:02.56 | XTZGZoReX | =o SerajewelKS |
| 19:03.02 | XTZGZoReX | Serraphyn** even |
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| 19:05.23 | keith4 | what's the "sed"ish way to change "foobar" to "foo3bar" in a file? |
| 19:06.04 | jelly | sed 's/foobar/foo3bar/' < infile > outfile |
| 19:06.18 | jelly | um, forgot /g |
| 19:06.35 | jelly | make the sed command s/foobar/foo3bar/g |
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| 19:08.29 | farhad_hf | i have problems with installing nvidia dirver 177.80 in experimental release . nvidia-kernel version 177.80 is not in the repo , but the nvidia-glx version is 177.80 . i used module-assistant and maked nvidia-kernel package . then i installed nvidia-glx , but after installing it xserver didnt start , modprobe says no device found . what can i do? |
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| 19:10.40 | jelly | keith4: if "foo" and "bar" are overly long and you wish to keep the oneliner length in check, sed -r 's/(foo)(bar)/\13\2/g' ... \1, \2 etc. are what the parentheses caught |
| 19:11.03 | keith4 | ooh, clever |
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| 19:11.17 | keith4 | that's much cleaner |
| 19:11.20 | keith4 | thanks jelly |
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| 19:12.18 | petemc | or use sed -i so you dont need to do shell redirection |
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| 19:14.06 | jelly | petemc: what happens with -i in a disk full situation? |
| 19:14.23 | petemc | im not aware |
| 19:14.43 | Serraphyn | -online |
| 19:14.49 | Serraphyn | mt |
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| 19:19.31 | dkremer | hello |
| 19:19.39 | dkremer | someone know bart martens? |
| 19:21.06 | dondelelcaro | dkremer: what's the question? |
| 19:21.13 | dkremer | ok |
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| 19:21.50 | dkremer | IHe package maintainer of freedroidrpg, and it's not updated for one or two months |
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| 19:23.17 | dondelelcaro | dkremer: there's a bug about it (#499010). I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been updated because of the release, but if you want to know, you can e-mail Bart yourself to double check |
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| 19:26.43 | dkremer | I have submit this bug, but bart does not respond for this problem. |
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| 19:26.59 | dkremer | for this bug report in fact. |
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| 19:34.46 | ukatan | hi all, I'm having an odd issue trying to install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:34.54 | ukatan | I'm using a basically stock system |
| 19:36.09 | ukatan | using apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree shows that there is no installation candidate |
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| 19:36.36 | ukatan | I also tried installing flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia, but it errors out during the install |
| 19:37.14 | ukatan | any ideas? I'm using lenny by the way |
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| 19:37.48 | Eulex | do I need ffmpeg etc from debian-multimedia if I want to encode xvid or mpeg4? |
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| 19:40.34 | ukatan | sorry, xchat froze |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | !tell ukatan about adobe flash |
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| 19:41.57 | ukatan | k. |
| 19:42.14 | ukatan | I could've sworn all I had to do was type apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla on my lenny machine. |
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| 19:42.32 | thebeerhunter | hi, trying to find out when the fix for #501578 will hit the main repo |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | ukatan: that used to be the case |
| 19:43.44 | ukatan | did it change in the last like, 3 days? |
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| 19:43.50 | abrotman | no .. a few months ago |
| 19:44.03 | ukatan | ok |
| 19:44.04 | ukatan | so |
| 19:44.13 | ukatan | according to the wiki, I should be able to install one or the other |
| 19:44.17 | abrotman | judd: versions matplotlib |
| 19:44.17 | ukatan | neither of which will install |
| 19:44.17 | judd | abrotman: matplotlib: |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | judd: no help! |
| 19:44.23 | judd | abrotman: Error: "no" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.47 | ukatan | flashplugin-nonfree doesn't have an installation candidate and flashplayer-mozilla has some kind of packaging bug so it fails to install |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | thebeerhunter: it appears it already has ? |
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| 19:44.53 | shifty | hi |
| 19:45.07 | ukatan | I have all the repos enabled |
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| 19:45.23 | ukatan | do I have to use like apt-get install -t lenny flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:45.30 | shifty | is there a netinst version of debian lenny rc1? |
| 19:48.16 | ukatan | sigh... |
| 19:48.27 | ukatan | I guess I'm just the only person in the universe this has happened to. |
| 19:48.33 | erawfish | ukatan: you don't. what happens when you try to install the plugin normally? |
| 19:49.24 | ukatan | "normally"? |
| 19:49.33 | erawfish | ukatan: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:49.43 | ukatan | it returns a lot of "no"s |
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| 19:49.55 | erawfish | run it, show US |
| 19:49.57 | ukatan | installed: none candidate: none |
| 19:50.03 | ukatan | version table: |
| 19:50.08 | erawfish | do not paste here! |
| 19:50.14 | erawfish | !paste |
| 19:50.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:50.17 | ukatan | I know the channel rules. |
| 19:50.18 | ukatan | thanks. |
| 19:50.25 | erawfish | the follow them for a change |
| 19:50.27 | ukatan | I think two lines is reasonable. |
| 19:50.37 | erawfish | stops |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | ukatan: did you enable the dmm repos ? |
| 19:50.40 | erawfish | waste of time |
| 19:50.41 | thebeerhunter | abrotman, where? |
| 19:50.45 | ukatan | abrotman, yes. |
| 19:50.51 | erawfish | ukatan: it shows a LOT more than 2 lines |
| 19:50.59 | erawfish | or should at least |
| 19:51.00 | ukatan | erawfish, do you want a screenshot? |
| 19:51.06 | ukatan | it's three, technically |
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| 19:51.37 | erawfish | ukatan: I woN't help you anymore since you anger me. why, I leave for you to think about. |
| 19:51.43 | jescutie | Hey! My friend's band, Circumstance, just released a free album called Breakfast Champion. You can download it here: http://dudesweat.sweatparty.com/?p=737 If you listen to it and like it, tell me what you think? Please? |
| 19:51.51 | ukatan | why, because you were wrong and you can't own up to it? |
| 19:51.56 | ukatan | boo hoo. |
| 19:52.10 | erawfish | jescutie: we think your asn asshole spammer. good enough? |
| 19:52.21 | ukatan | abrotman, I would be able to install through the dmm flashplayer-mozilla package but it has its own issues |
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| 19:53.05 | ukatan | http://pastebin.ca/1240896 |
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| 19:53.36 | abrotman | thebeerhunter: packages.debian.org/matplotlib ... seems the version they uploaded for the fix is in lenny now |
| 19:53.50 | erawfish | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | ukatan: the simple crappy fix is to install something like gnash .. which would create that alternative |
| 19:54.24 | ukatan | and then try reinstalling flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 19:54.28 | ukatan | I figured something like that might work |
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| 19:54.51 | ukatan | I don't mind simple/crappy as long as it doesn't totally bork anything |
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| 19:55.12 | Autopsy | Which Debian release has a 2.6.24.2 kernel or about that area? |
| 19:55.33 | ukatan | Autopsy, lenny is 2.6.26, dunno if that helps. |
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| 19:56.11 | Autopsy | Ok. |
| 19:56.15 | abrotman | Autopsy: etchnhalf has a .24 |
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| 19:57.16 | sgeigerbot | Help, I'm out of ideas: My server doesn't boot after displaying "Emergency Remount Complete |
| 19:57.29 | sgeigerbot | Help, I'm out of ideas: My server doesn't boot after displaying "Emergency Remount Complete" |
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| 19:58.07 | erawfish | sgeigerbot: not enough to go on |
| 19:58.24 | sgeigerbot | erawfish: that was my thought. |
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| 19:58.43 | Eulex | sgeigerbot, define 'doesn't boot' |
| 19:58.49 | sgeigerbot | erawfish: I just tried to reboot the machine. The reason why I did so was because the filesystem was mounted read-only. |
| 19:58.58 | gcbirzan | Hm, how can I see why apt-get is holding a package back? |
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| 19:59.15 | sgeigerbot | Eulex: Nothing else is displayed on the screen after the words "Emergency Remount Complete" |
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| 19:59.45 | Eulex | sgeigerbot, is anything significant displayed before it? how far into the boot is this displayed? |
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| 20:00.11 | ukatan | abrotman, unfortunately no luck there either. I installed gnash and I'm still getting the same error during install. |
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| 20:02.23 | ukatan | HAH. |
| 20:02.41 | ukatan | abrotman, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I just figured it out. Turns out the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir didn't exist. |
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| 20:03.05 | ukatan | go figure. |
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| 20:03.33 | sgeigerbot | Eulex: The line before was: SysRq: Emergency Remount R/O |
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| 20:05.22 | thebeerhunter | abrotman, the fixed version is lenny2 not lenny1 |
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| 20:05.57 | thebeerhunter | abrotman, i was able to recompile the current version in lenny w/ the patch and it seems to work |
| 20:06.34 | litwol|mac | how much time does it take to recompile on your machine ? |
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| 20:26.46 | dfg | Hi, is there a program like media center for linux, i have a USB instant tv |
| 20:27.43 | gothenburg | mythtv(? spell) |
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| 20:28.01 | dfg | gothenburg thanks |
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| 20:31.37 | vedant | hi, how do I migrate from exim4 to postfix on a new install of debian testing? |
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| 20:32.14 | gothenburg | I don't know |
| 20:32.15 | funky_ | 'lo |
| 20:32.35 | funky_ | what's the common debian way for having java support in the browser in amd64? |
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| 20:33.38 | gothenburg | funky_: usually (x86) I go to a java application in firefox and choose install when the yellow bar shows up. |
| 20:33.39 | funky_ | I dislike the chroot option |
| 20:34.02 | gothenburg | Sometimes it work, sometimes not |
| 20:34.11 | funky_ | gothenburg: the problem is that there is not native plugin for amd64 |
| 20:34.13 | dfg | gothenburg 1h30 of recording take how many mb? |
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| 20:34.19 | gothenburg | funky_: sun-java6-jre |
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| 20:34.39 | gothenburg | dfg: I haven't used it myself. |
| 20:34.43 | funky_ | gothenburg: listen, there is NO java plugin for amd64 |
| 20:35.06 | funky_ | so you have to play with chroots, or having a second ff instance (compiled in 32bits), or ... |
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| 20:35.42 | funky_ | I'd like to know how the debian community usually workaround this |
| 20:35.44 | gothenburg | The easiest way is to not install Debian 64 xD |
| 20:35.53 | dfg | is there a way to install linux via an usb key |
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| 20:36.42 | gothenburg | funky_: maybe you should talk with the ubuntu n00bs. I think they have more experience of that |
| 20:36.57 | gothenburg | dfg: Yes it is. |
| 20:36.57 | funky_ | gothenburg: that's the lamest way :P |
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| 20:37.39 | funky_ | ? |
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| 20:37.56 | funky_ | i don't know what this has to do with noobs or ubuntu |
| 20:38.06 | funky_ | well, the ubuntu part would be reasonable |
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| 20:38.44 | vedant | anybody know how to migrate from exim4 to postix in debian lenny? |
| 20:38.51 | vedant | postfix* |
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| 20:41.37 | dfg | i choose hd-media for usb key? |
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| 20:42.03 | n3kl | dfg: yes |
| 20:42.10 | jelly | funky_: my personal workaround is to use i386 architecture |
| 20:42.11 | n3kl | vedant: apt-get install postfix |
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| 20:43.17 | gomoran | Building packages: should pkgconfig files go to /usr/lib/pkgconfig or /usr/share/pkgconfig? |
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| 20:44.01 | vedant | n3kl: I don't know if it removes the conf files for exim4 too, does it? that would require purging all exim4 packages |
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| 20:45.39 | jelly | judd: versions icedtea6-plugin --arch amd64 |
| 20:45.39 | judd | jelly: icedtea6-plugin: 6b12-1~exp1 (experimental) |
| 20:46.18 | \3TATUKe | Does Iceweasel frequently freeze on flash animations for you? |
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| 20:48.36 | kantor | hi |
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| 20:51.43 | kantor | if there is a program foo version 1.1.0, and I install a newer back port version foo-1.2.0. Then if a security update is released for foo 1.1.0 I can't update the package because I'm using the backport version ? |
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| 20:52.18 | Eulex | kantor, you could downgrade. |
| 20:53.13 | kantor | so that is the only solution, no ? I mean there are no security fixes for backports, no ? |
| 20:54.02 | kantor | I mean it is not officially supported |
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| 20:56.30 | magyar | hi, is there an easy way to install adobe flash in debian lenny? |
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| 20:57.09 | _JusSx_ | Hi debian guys |
| 20:57.20 | kantor | magyar, you are from hungary ? |
| 20:57.23 | magyar | i tried installing the non-free flash , bur all it does is download the tar.gz file from adobe |
| 20:57.34 | magyar | kantor: nope, canada |
| 20:57.53 | kantor | but you know the hungarian language ? |
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| 20:58.07 | magyar | kantor: my folks are from hungary |
| 20:58.14 | magyar | kantor: sure do |
| 20:58.44 | kantor | ok, azt mondod, hogy nem megy a non-free csomaggal ? |
| 20:59.13 | magyar | kantor: csak lehuzza a filed as nem instolal |
| 21:00.14 | kantor | I think you guys do not mind if we talk in a different language. . . no ? |
| 21:00.14 | magyar | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 21:00.22 | magyar | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 21:00.25 | jelly | !hu |
| 21:00.25 | dpkg | from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 21:00.46 | kantor | magyar, nekem is eppen a flash pluginnal volt problemam, most egy parn napja |
| 21:01.45 | magyar | kantor: ez az |
| 21:03.54 | jolt | We do mind, talk private if you want to speak !=english |
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| 21:04.11 | kantor | ok, sorry |
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| 21:05.04 | Cholito | would rsync allow me to sync a folder in a ftp server? |
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| 21:10.40 | jelly | Cholito: no, not unless you also have ssh access and rsync is installed on the other side |
| 21:11.06 | grendal_prime | is there a channel about video encoding im going crazy trying to find a video/audio transcoding concoction that will work with windows media_player9 and be somewhat legable. |
| 21:11.44 | erawfish | why can't you simply use mpeg4 to encode? |
| 21:12.05 | Cholito | jelly, for now I'm using lftp, but is just to upload |
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| 21:12.23 | jolt | ssh+rsync is a nice way to ... sync files |
| 21:12.24 | erawfish | or if it must be wmv get the encoder (commandline) from MS for free IIRC |
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| 21:13.14 | erawfish | Cholito: inside lftp: help mirror |
| 21:13.54 | Cholito | erawfish, I'm already using it ;) |
| 21:14.19 | Cholito | I don't know yet if it has a sync capability... |
| 21:15.30 | daftd | guys what is the syntax to change the time-zone of mysql in my.cnf to gmt |
| 21:16.01 | daftd | i try every thing but i see illegal or unknown tty in my debug tty |
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| 21:17.43 | ricosecada | I need a network monitor that will display the correct usage/bandwith etc, and that will display the information real life kindda like TOP. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:18.13 | daftd | gui or cli |
| 21:18.29 | ricosecada | preferably cli |
| 21:19.14 | jelly | iptraf? |
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| 21:19.31 | jolt | ricosecada: bwm? |
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| 21:19.52 | herrFoo | how do I add etch's unstable to my sources.list? |
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| 21:20.12 | herrFoo | or etch-backports -- I'm not sure which is better. |
| 21:20.22 | kantor | etch's unstable |
| 21:20.22 | Gen0cide | Hi, how do i add contrib and non-free to my /etc/apt list? |
| 21:20.24 | herrFoo | been googlin' around for the sources.list syntax but it's confusing. |
| 21:20.24 | kantor | ? |
| 21:20.25 | jelly | jolt: bwm-ng? |
| 21:20.29 | Gen0cide | in in the list in vi eright now |
| 21:20.38 | Gen0cide | im trying to install java 1.6 |
| 21:20.47 | erawfish | herrFoo: there is no etch unstable. and you do NOT want to install anything from unstable |
| 21:21.04 | herrFoo | kantor: ah, so unstable is supposedly the next deb release, I see. so how would I add etch-backports? |
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| 21:21.07 | erawfish | Gen0cide: /msg non-free |
| 21:21.08 | ricosecada | jolt, jelly thanks, I will try both! |
| 21:21.10 | erawfish | herrFoo: no |
| 21:21.12 | jolt | jelly: Yeah, or bwm |
| 21:21.17 | erawfish | herrFoo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:21.29 | jelly | jolt: I mean, <dpkg> Package 'bwm' does not exist. |
| 21:21.31 | Gen0cide | erawfish - it odesnt owrk |
| 21:21.32 | kantor | etch is rock stable, lenny is testing sid is unstable |
| 21:21.33 | jolt | ricosecada: Do that, iperf is to measure between two endpoints |
| 21:21.37 | jolt | jelly: Ah, well then :) |
| 21:21.40 | herrFoo | thanks erawfish |
| 21:21.43 | erawfish | !doesn't work |
| 21:21.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:22.03 | herrFoo | heh |
| 21:22.09 | kantor | herrFoo, unstable is the very experimental release (future release) |
| 21:22.15 | herrFoo | I see, I see. |
| 21:22.18 | kantor | it is called sid |
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| 21:22.40 | Gen0cide | I typed in /msg non-free , and says "insufficient parameters" |
| 21:22.41 | jelly | jolt: iptraf, not iperf (which _generates_ traffic then measures it ;-) |
| 21:23.01 | erawfish | Gen0cide: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:23.09 | kantor | before that is the testing in this case it is lenny, that is almost stable, because it is almost "finished" to be released |
| 21:23.36 | kantor | and before that is the currently stable release that is etch right now |
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| 21:24.14 | ricosecada | jelly, iptraf is perfect! |
| 21:24.16 | jolt | jelly: Thankts, I've been using iperf lots lately, so my brain trainslated it |
| 21:24.19 | jolt | translated even |
| 21:24.21 | ricosecada | jelly, thanks! |
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| 21:25.24 | ricosecada | Jolt, bwm-ng is great too, thanks! |
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| 21:25.46 | Gen0cide | The dpkg bot sucks, doesnt explain anything |
| 21:26.16 | jelly | Gen0cide: it's just a simple database with short notes |
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| 21:27.27 | Gen0cide | I need to apt-get java6 . I know i need to add the non-free and contrib to my etc/apt |
| 21:27.39 | Gen0cide | im in vi right now in my etc/apt |
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| 21:30.41 | jelly | Gen0cide: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 21:31.42 | jelly | Gen0cide: that's what "ask me about <non-free sources>" was supposed to mean |
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| 21:32.14 | cokeguru1 | Hi all, i just was connected to my Server via SSH then i tipped "reboot" and ist seems like it isnt comming up anymore, what can i do? |
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| 21:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | could someone check if the program "tulip" is also dumping core on startup for him |
| 21:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | (happening for both available versions for me) |
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| 21:33.16 | Tramp | cokeguru1: get console-access and check, what the problem is |
| 21:33.23 | PeterFA | How do I add a start-up script to the boot scripts? |
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| 21:33.35 | valdyn | PeterFA: to start what? |
| 21:33.41 | PeterFA | I know service on RH and rc-update on Gentoo. |
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| 21:33.46 | PeterFA | valdyn, say /etc/init.d/openvpn |
| 21:33.48 | cokeguru1 | Tramp: ist changed something in /etc/fstab could it have something to do whit that? |
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| 21:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !init.d |
| 21:34.00 | dpkg | [init.d] where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
| 21:34.08 | Gen0cide | in my sources.list the 3 servers that are listed end with non-free contrib |
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| 21:34.15 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. |
| 21:34.50 | valdyn | oo, insserv is even in testing |
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| 21:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, but the openvpn package should have it's own init script anyways... you probably just need to reconfigure to enable it at bootup |
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| 21:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or so I'd guess) |
| 21:35.39 | Tramp | cokeguru1: sure. Whatever. Without console-access there is not much you can do, I guess |
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| 21:36.37 | herrFoo | ok, so another apt-get question. when it suggests a package, does that mean it will install it or that I - if I want - can install it later? |
| 21:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 21:36.45 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, it does and works fine. I just want to make sure it will always start on boot. |
| 21:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, ah, I see, it's normally working via interfaces |
| 21:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !openvpn |
| 21:37.09 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a virtual private network daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one TCP or UDP port. Packaged for Debian as 'openvpn', provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to interfaces(5). As this software uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys ('openvpn-blacklist' package available in Lenny). http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:37.20 | herrFoo | because I've ended up with this question "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" and not sure whether I dare proceed, because I do not want the _suggested packages_ but I do want the necessary one. |
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| 21:37.29 | valdyn | herrFoo: why dont you read the documentation? |
| 21:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you don't normally have an extra startup script, but it's brought up with the networking |
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| 21:37.43 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, well, I need to learn about start up script management for adding to run levels and friends. |
| 21:37.51 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, oh. |
| 21:37.59 | Gen0cide | wewt i got java6 now thanks |
| 21:38.05 | Gen0cide | im oging to go now thanks for the help |
| 21:38.06 | Gen0cide | bye |
| 21:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is probably a good idea :) |
| 21:38.08 | PeterFA | In the Debian world. |
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| 21:38.56 | herrFoo | valdyn: it's not clear where this is; nothing in the man-page or help commands |
| 21:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, well, you must admit it's much neater this way |
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| 21:39.15 | valdyn | herrFoo: none of the package tools do anything with suggested packages, except displaying information |
| 21:39.22 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, huh? |
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| 21:39.46 | herrFoo | valdyn: ok, thank you |
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| 21:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | herrFoo, your "install without verification" sounds more like your apt can't verify the signature(?) |
| 21:42.35 | herrFoo | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that's correct |
| 21:42.49 | herrFoo | CutMeOwnThroat: but it was also the last notice before going ahead and installing |
| 21:42.50 | abrotman | see /topic |
| 21:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | herrFoo, so that has got nothing to do with suggested packages - but you didn't give the full error, which was confusing - should be something like "package cannot be authenticated. Install without verification?" |
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| 21:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, indeed, it's still there :) ... or again? |
| 21:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | s |
| 21:46.06 | enouf | PeterFA: you might like /msg dpkg rcconf ... if you want to try something more akin to a slack type boot, apt-cache show file-rc , and ..show insserv (for something newer?) |
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| 21:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, could someone try if he can run "tulip"? |
| 21:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps flower-named programs just don't run that close to winter.... |
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| 21:47.22 | PeterFA | enouf, hmm... |
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| 21:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, seems this is it :( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479327 |
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| 21:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the annoying thing is, that apt also tells me it can't fulfill the build dependencies :( |
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| 21:50.27 | earl3982 | is there a way to upgrade only one package using apt-get? instead of upgrading it suggests? |
| 21:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install package |
| 21:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll pull in all needed dependencies, though |
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| 21:51.27 | earl3982 | i dont want the dependencies |
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| 21:51.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can't have the package |
| 21:51.37 | pyrotiger | i want to download the dvd iso |
| 21:51.51 | pyrotiger | there is dvd iso 1, dvd iso 2 and dvd iso 3 which do i choose? |
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| 21:52.19 | earl3982 | how do i bypass that? |
| 21:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrotiger, 1 :) or would you start with watching rambo IV? |
| 21:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | earl3982, you don't - the dependencies are needed for the package to run - take it or leave it |
| 21:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like saying "I want to drive the car, but without any type of fuel" |
| 21:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or without a motor |
| 21:53.16 | abrotman | earl3982: aptitude intall package .. it will still take the dependencies it needs |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | see -R for leaving off recommends |
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| 21:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there an aptitude equivalent of apt-get build-dep? |
| 21:54.09 | tmm1 | if i'm building a source package from scratch, how do i set the version number that's used for the generated package? |
| 21:54.10 | pyrotiger | what are the advantages of debian over opensuse, mandriva? |
| 21:54.15 | enouf | !why not aptitude |
| 21:54.15 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 21:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, it's taken from debian/changelog, iirc - so just add an entry there |
| 21:54.50 | tmm1 | CutMeOwnThroat: really? |
| 21:54.52 | tmm1 | d'oh |
| 21:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try it... call me a liar if it doesn't work |
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| 21:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrotiger, apt? :) |
| 21:55.28 | pyrotiger | apt? |
| 21:55.29 | mx | how do u restart exim in ech? |
| 21:55.33 | mx | etch |
| 21:55.35 | pyrotiger | a better apartment? |
| 21:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrotiger, working package management, that is... at least that was why I switched to Debian many years ago... |
| 21:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mx, /etc/init.d/exim restart (or exim-something - try autocomplete with [Tab]) |
| 21:56.43 | enouf | drec |
| 21:56.47 | enouf | !drec |
| 21:56.52 | enouf | crap |
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| 21:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrotiger, also, things seemed to be slightly more transparent ... or less annoying to me - if I edited a file in Suse, yast or whatever it was would overwrite it without notice and it was tough to find out what to edit instead or how to stop it from overwriting... |
| 21:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dreck = crap |
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| 21:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you slightly misspelled that :) |
| 21:59.00 | enouf | i meant "drec" but it needs a nick also, and it's an incorrect answer anyway ;-P |
| 21:59.11 | enouf | !drec CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:59.11 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 21:59.29 | abrotman | that's not restarting! |
| 21:59.35 | abrotman | well .. it might restart it anyways |
| 21:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
| 22:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get --reinstall install exim4 |
| 22:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:00.10 | Quibus | good night folks |
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| 22:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyrotiger, that's of course just my personal opinion.. there are many differences, and other people might find other things to be bigger advantages |
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| 22:03.06 | tmm1 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 22:04.09 | tmm1 | so how does debian maintain packages.. what's checked into source control, the .diff.gz ? |
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| 22:04.20 | tmm1 | or the debian subfolder? |
| 22:04.50 | Eulex | tmm1, there's no policy governing source control. every maintainer is free to use it, though. |
| 22:04.58 | pickcoder | is it possible to get a kernel driver patch merged into 2.6.26? |
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| 22:05.12 | mx | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:05.20 | pickcoder | s/patch/patches |
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| 22:06.49 | tmm1 | Eulex: ok, but what's the best practice |
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| 22:07.46 | tmm1 | i want to maintain a set of custom packages for internal use, mostly just modified versions of existing packages |
| 22:08.03 | tmm1 | so i can do a apt-get source, modify the debian subdir to make the changes i want, add the extra patches i want applied etc |
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| 22:08.48 | tmm1 | then what, how do i 'save' my changes in a format that i can easily re-use later |
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| 22:09.04 | jelly | pickcoder: does it fix a release-critical bug, but is otherwise non-intrusive? :-) |
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| 22:13.29 | mewshi | what's the newest version of pidgin for lenny? |
| 22:13.59 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 22:14.01 | judd | abrotman: pidgin: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.4.3-4 (lenny) 2.4.3-4 (sid) 2.5.2-1 (experimental) |
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| 22:14.37 | mewshi | so, if I want newest, I need experimental? o.o' |
| 22:14.55 | neoice | mewshi: why do you need to version chase? |
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| 22:15.15 | mewshi | because I like having shiny, sexy software |
| 22:15.19 | mewshi | is that a problem? |
| 22:15.41 | neoice | it just makes your life a lot hard |
| 22:15.42 | neoice | er |
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| 22:16.05 | pickcoder | jelly: it's a bugfix for the new IQExpress fax boards from Mainpine |
| 22:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mewshi, no problem, cannon fodder is always appreciated |
| 22:16.22 | pickcoder | work is in progress to include it in 2.6.28 or .29 at the latest |
| 22:16.31 | pickcoder | but that doesn't help Etch or Lenny at this point |
| 22:16.54 | pickcoder | they redesigned the boards and are using chips from a different manuf |
| 22:17.15 | pickcoder | so they aren't recognized by the 8250 and PCI drivers |
| 22:17.39 | jelly | pickcoder: eh, just roll your own then |
| 22:17.48 | pickcoder | I'm doing that now |
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| 22:18.01 | pickcoder | but it would be helpful to include it in Lenny's kernels |
| 22:18.30 | pickcoder | I guess I could create a debian diff for the source tar |
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| 22:18.48 | ice799 | Hi - can anyone point me to a guide for creating debian source pacakges? I've created a binary package just fine, but I can't seem to find a guide for source packages. |
| 22:18.53 | jelly | there's always more obscure hardware needing their patches |
| 22:18.56 | enouf | pickcoder: ask in/on #debian-kernel |
| 22:19.05 | jelly | pickcoder: that's on irc.debian.org |
| 22:19.08 | enouf | pickcoder: irc.debian.org |
| 22:19.21 | pickcoder | do you think it's even worth asking? |
| 22:19.30 | pickcoder | or would a factoid be enough |
| 22:19.33 | enouf | email the list then |
| 22:20.00 | jelly | pickcoder: at this point, not really; you might get it into the unstable image tho |
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| 22:20.22 | pickcoder | if it picks up 2.6.28 then there's a pretty good chance that the boards will work then |
| 22:20.38 | jelly | .28 will be December or so |
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| 22:22.02 | jelly | pickcoder: so you'll have plenty of time to roll your own installer with 2.6.28 before lenny releases in, say, April |
| 22:22.03 | neoice | what was the command to fix backspace? 'stty ERASE ^H' ? |
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| 22:22.26 | jelly | neoice: stty erase <ctrl-v><backspace> |
| 22:22.59 | pickcoder | I don't need one. I'm building a custom kernel package with the fixed drivers. |
| 22:23.06 | neoice | jelly: stty: invalid integer argument `\033[3~' |
| 22:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, this should tell you http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 22:23.29 | jelly | neoice: that's some weird backspace. |
| 22:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | in more detail than you want to know :) |
| 22:23.40 | neoice | macbook delete key |
| 22:24.02 | neoice | interestingly, ctrl-delete works correctly. |
| 22:24.23 | tmm1 | neoice: you can alter your Terminal preferences too |
| 22:24.23 | jelly | neoice: that looks like PC delete, not backspace |
| 22:24.23 | neoice | and the issue only appears in 'screen' |
| 22:24.33 | neoice | ...only appears in screen on my remote machine ? |
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| 22:25.22 | neoice | jelly: is there some tutorial somewhere on mapping key-combos under X? |
| 22:25.23 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 22:25.33 | neoice | laptop keyboard without PGUP = sad panda |
| 22:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, man dpkg-buildpackage (look e.g. at the -S option) |
| 22:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, ^^, if you start off from an existing package |
| 22:26.49 | jelly | neoice: no idea |
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| 22:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, specially section 6 and A1 "simple packaging example" |
| 22:28.45 | abrotman | !tell neoice about xmodmap |
| 22:29.25 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. I am making a custom ruby package and trying to figure out a good way of version controlling the package. Was gonna maybe check the source package into git or something. |
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| 22:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, then just modify the existing package, that's probably much easier |
| 22:30.03 | ice799 | yeah |
| 22:30.06 | ice799 | definitely. |
| 22:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, dependency hell for 'tulip' :( |
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| 22:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, specially don't like that it wants to remove nvidia-glx |
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| 22:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do the {a} and {u} mean for aptitude REMOVED packages? |
| 22:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and new ones |
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| 22:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 22:33.47 | masus | hi all does anyone a way how to log clients web history by mac adress? |
| 22:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what does aptitude want to tell me with |
| 22:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Keep the following packages at their current version: |
| 22:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | libgl1-mesa-swx11 [Not Installed] |
| 22:34.47 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | keep a package in the not-installe version? |
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| 22:35.17 | dennis_p | after dist-upgrading success apt-get got stuck: http://www.pastebin.cz/11026 |
| 22:35.25 | dennis_p | what to do now |
| 22:36.01 | dennis_p | (i'm in Lenny now) |
| 22:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, and it still wants to remove libgl1-mesa-dri and xlibmesa-dri ..... now... are those something that's used or not.... |
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| 22:38.20 | dennis_p | CutMeOwnThroat: depends it accelerated video driver |
| 22:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dennis_p, English would be nice, for a start... it's not easier to read like this |
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| 22:39.43 | dennis_p | yeah it's the same error stuff with dutch advice sorry how do i set apt-get to english? |
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| 22:39.54 | themill | !update-xmlcatalog bug |
| 22:39.54 | dpkg | There is a known bug in upgrading from etch to lenny. See http://bugs.debian.org/482140. If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so. Follow the advice in that bug report to solve the bug. |
| 22:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dennis_p, seems it's the docbook-xml that's throwing the real error, all (?) others are just waiting for that to get configured |
| 22:39.58 | themill | dennis_p: ^^ |
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| 22:40.57 | dennis_p | yeah how do i do that? |
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| 22:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | now there's a long bugreport |
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| 22:42.44 | themill | and now solved! yay! |
| 22:43.25 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: fwiw, when i messed with the nvidia binary blob, since libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} wasn't needed, i removed them, but -swx11 i think was needed as a replacement |
| 22:43.35 | enouf | for handling the software accel |
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| 22:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, hm, so do you think I can do this ( http://pastebin.com/m1eafe104 ) without breaking accelerated graphics, dri etc. etc. support (I got there by adding nvidia-glx, which I *know* I don't want removed to the build-deps of tulip) |
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| 22:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, I guess I could try to use pbuilder... but that'll make a complete new build environment... so perhaps a bit overkill for home-use(?) |
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| 22:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, there are more strange solutions |
| 22:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | this one wants to remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486, which is fine by me as I use nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 22:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why the heck was nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486 installed in the 1st place? |
| 22:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, this one looks as if nothing will totally break, lets give it a try |
| 22:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh-oh.. looked like it's not going to break... |
| 22:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't have just looked at REMOVE - it installed a 2.6 kernel |
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| 23:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, probably did break all kinds of stuff :( |
| 23:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 23:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | time to give up, I guess |
| 23:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and weep while sitting in the ruins left by the attempt |
| 23:02.20 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: I noticed somethign weird with the debian ruby package |
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| 23:02.31 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a patch included labeled 168_blahblah.patch |
| 23:02.50 | ice799 | and when you build the debian package, the output from dpkg-buildpackage says that the patch was applied |
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| 23:03.05 | ice799 | however when I run dpatch deapply-all, dpatch claims that the patch was not applied |
| 23:03.11 | ice799 | but it exists in the patched directory |
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| 23:03.33 | ice799 | so I have to remove it from the patched directory and then re-run dpatch deapply-all |
| 23:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used dpatch |
| 23:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does plain patch say? |
| 23:04.20 | ice799 | I don't know what you mean. |
| 23:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or look at the file if it's applied or not |
| 23:04.51 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, but what I'm saying is that |
| 23:05.06 | ice799 | buildpackage is supposed to apply the patch and then make a note of it in debian/patched |
| 23:05.18 | ice799 | but when I run debuild clean |
| 23:05.28 | ice799 | it errors out complaining that the patch was not applied |
| 23:05.35 | ice799 | EVEN THOUGH it exists in the patched directory |
| 23:05.46 | ice799 | so then I have to manually delete the file from patched and then re-run debuild clean |
| 23:05.58 | ice799 | every time i want to rebuild |
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| 23:07.08 | dennis_p | Thank you for finding the dist-upgrade bug with sollution, everything works now |
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| 23:10.46 | neoice | anyone have tips for troubleshooting grub when it fails to load? |
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| 23:10.52 | Zambezi | I have encrypted LVM. Ubuntu overwrote grub and it didn't boot, but I manage to decrypt it now (luksOpen), but mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/hdx5 /mnt/sdx5 won't work. It says wrong fs. Which fs is it then? Default installation with stable netinst. |
| 23:11.11 | Akuw | hoy can i find file by date? |
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| 23:11.37 | Gen0cide | How do i download a .deb from a website such as "http://www.npj.com/red5/debian/red5_0.8.0-RC1_all.deb" |
| 23:11.46 | Gen0cide | through terminal |
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| 23:12.00 | erawfish | use wget |
| 23:12.04 | Zambezi | Gen0cide: wget? |
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| 23:12.27 | Gen0cide | i wsa thinking that, i was just wondering if there wasnt a special apt-get command? |
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| 23:12.56 | Zambezi | Gen0cide: You can grab with apt-get if it's from a repo. |
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| 23:14.15 | JxMxL | what do i need to create a working mail server |
| 23:15.08 | felinous | a mail daemon |
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| 23:16.23 | JxMxL | felinous apt-get install ?? |
| 23:16.51 | felinous | there are a number.. postfix, exim, and sendmail are common |
| 23:17.13 | JxMxL | felinous and how do i add mx record over my domain |
| 23:17.28 | felinous | with the power of dns |
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| 23:17.50 | JxMxL | felinous i already have access |
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| 23:17.59 | JxMxL | but i just put my ip over that and i have it running |
| 23:18.02 | JxMxL | somthing not right |
| 23:18.23 | felinous | MX records need to point to a hostname, not an IP |
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| 23:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 23:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | time to fully upgrade to a 2.6 kernel and to lenny, I guess... of COURSE I did manage to break direct rendering and accelerated graphics and stuf |
| 23:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fuck me |
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| 23:26.46 | mxweas | How do I connect to a wifi network using ifconfig/iwconfig? |
| 23:27.06 | mxweas | I've used iwlist to find the network's ssid and mac address but I do not know how to connect... |
| 23:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | iwconfig ap <mac> |
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| 23:27.38 | mxweas | do I put the mac address in quotes? and do I include the colons? |
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| 23:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, sorry, iwconfig <yourinterface> ap <mac> |
| 23:28.04 | mxweas | ok |
| 23:28.08 | mxweas | do I use quotes? |
| 23:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | quotes: if you like (they'll be removed by the shell anyways) |
| 23:28.13 | trifler | around it all |
| 23:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | colons: yes |
| 23:28.25 | trifler | in that case. |
| 23:28.26 | Eulex | I believe that using iwconfig <yourinterface> essid <ssid> would be an easier solution |
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| 23:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, but there might be several with the same essid - so if he has the MAC, this will still exactly do what he wants |
| 23:29.11 | Eulex | true |
| 23:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there are essids with spaces, which indeed do need quoting (while the mac does not) |
| 23:29.33 | mxweas | CutMeOwnThroat: When I run it without quotes, I get "Error for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. |
| 23:30.01 | mxweas | Even though it's eth1 it is definitely a wifi card. |
| 23:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure eth1 is your wireless? :) |
| 23:30.10 | mxweas | If I start gdm I can use the gui to connect |
| 23:30.18 | mxweas | iwconfig says eth1 is my wifi adapter |
| 23:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so iwconfig eth1 shows signal strength etc? |
| 23:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, iwlist only works with a wifi card |
| 23:31.07 | mxweas | though ifconfig shows it as ethernet, iwconfig says eth1 IEEE 802.11 Nickname: "" Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 23:31.12 | mxweas | yeah iwlist shows my wifi networks |
| 23:31.24 | mxweas | and I cant see signal strength as I cannot connect |
| 23:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | try |
| 23:31.46 | mxweas | k |
| 23:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | iwconfig <yourinterface> ap <mac> mode Managed |
| 23:32.00 | mxweas | k |
| 23:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "ap auto" instead of the mac if you don't care what it connects to |
| 23:32.24 | mxweas | that command just went to the next line |
| 23:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's fine |
| 23:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it wasn't in managed mode before |
| 23:32.51 | mxweas | woh |
| 23:32.58 | mxweas | the connect line you gave me earlier just worked |
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| 23:33.19 | mxweas | yeah I can see signal strength now |
| 23:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | iwconfig eth1 shows you "Managed" somewhere now |
| 23:33.25 | mxweas | what is managed vs unmanaged mode now? |
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| 23:33.35 | mxweas | yeah it says it is connected and Mode says managed |
| 23:33.37 | mxweas | what is that? |
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| 23:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | before it was probably Monitor, because you used some wireless sniffing tool (or possibly Ad-Hoc) |
| 23:33.58 | mxweas | ping google.com says unknown host. do I have to do ifconfig eth1 up? |
| 23:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | man iwconfig ... search for Managed |
| 23:34.12 | mxweas | thx |
| 23:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | your interface is not configured |
| 23:34.23 | mxweas | now how do I get internet to work? do i have to obtain dns servers and things |
| 23:34.31 | mxweas | how do I configure it? |
| 23:34.33 | trifler | dhcp it |
| 23:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | try to use the dhcpclient... |
| 23:34.43 | mxweas | k |
| 23:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | install e.g. dhcp-client and run dhclient eth1 |
| 23:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | then read man interfaces and set up your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 23:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | or see what dpkg has to tell about it |
| 23:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !interfaces |
| 23:35.52 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 23:36.08 | mxweas | oh I tried sudo ifconfig eth1 dhcp start but it didn't work |
| 23:36.15 | mxweas | ok |
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| 23:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you just run dhclient |
| 23:36.58 | mxweas | k |
| 23:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, sudo |
| 23:37.19 | mxweas | it's listening and sending some stuff |
| 23:37.59 | mxweas | it says No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 23:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | go closer to the station :) |
| 23:38.36 | mxweas | it said DHCPDISCOVER a few times though |
| 23:38.43 | mxweas | CutMeOwnThroat: it's sitting right next to me |
| 23:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's not running a dhcp server |
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| 23:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they normally do |
| 23:39.16 | mxweas | it is, im talking to you now through the wifi and it sent this computer dhcp |
| 23:39.22 | mxweas | let me try again |
| 23:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... :) |
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| 23:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | check with iwconfig if you're really connected... |
| 23:39.49 | mxweas | what is DHCPDISCOVER on eth1... mean? |
| 23:40.08 | mxweas | Link quality is 4/5 |
| 23:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno for sure |
| 23:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but for me it failed quite often when the link was just too weak |
| 23:40.50 | mxweas | hmm |
| 23:40.56 | mxweas | let me try something brb for a sec |
| 23:41.05 | mxweas | I have another router that works really well, i'll go test with that. |
| 23:41.13 | neoice | is there any _real_ reason I'd want to build my own debian kernel? |
| 23:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | which happened often when borrowing the wireless next door :) |
| 23:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, if you don't know any, then there isn't |
| 23:41.32 | neoice | I'd just be removing functionality |
| 23:41.43 | neoice | and the APIC I can supposedly turn off in GRUB / BIOS |
| 23:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no need to remove anything |
| 23:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything that can be built as a module is built as a module |
| 23:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's only taking a bit of disk-space |
| 23:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | which would only matter in quite extreme cases |
| 23:43.32 | neoice | I'm mostly concerned about the "APIC error on CPU0: 01(01)" spamming my logs |
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| 23:43.48 | neoice | and as seems to be the trend lately, my problems have minimal info on google |
| 23:43.50 | chuck | If I've deleted /var/lib/mysql, is there a way to get it back? |
| 23:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps this |
| 23:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confmiss |
| 23:44.18 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 23:45.00 | n3kl | neoice: is that APIC or ACPI? I had the first one apic for a while, and noapic will fix thoes errors |
| 23:45.11 | mxweas | CutMeOwnThroat: it didn't work, I'm going to try connecting with gdm and see if it can pickup dhcp |
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| 23:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mxweas, or just configure a static address... |
| 23:45.47 | mxweas | yeah... I still would rather have dhcp working |
| 23:45.52 | mxweas | ok gdm just connected |
| 23:45.53 | mxweas | one sec |
| 23:46.21 | mxweas | yup dns works now |
| 23:46.21 | mxweas | so |
| 23:46.28 | mxweas | gdm is doing something |
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| 23:47.30 | chuck | Awesome, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:47.50 | mxweas | oh woh, didn't realize this machine was running ubuntu :P |
| 23:48.03 | mxweas | does that change anything dhcp wise? |
| 23:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gargh, I knew it |
| 23:48.17 | mxweas | ? |
| 23:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should I know? |
| 23:48.54 | mxweas | <CutMeOwnThroat> gargh, I knew it |
| 23:49.00 | mxweas | You just said you did :P |
| 23:49.04 | mxweas | well once did. |
| 23:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew your system seemed strangly different |
| 23:50.12 | mxweas | how so?S |
| 23:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but how should I know what the differences are |
| 23:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you smelled different |
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