| 00:00.41 | dennis_p | yeah how i long to be able to login |
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| 00:01.43 | gothenburg | Då går jag och lägger mig. |
| 00:02.03 | torrrr | anyone know a nice xbiff that does IMAP with md5-cram auth? |
| 00:03.28 | themill | !se |
| 00:03.28 | dpkg | se is, like, Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:04.34 | gothenburg | themill: Yes, I was sending it to another channel, It had this number before. I go to bed. |
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| 00:38.03 | jogla | How would i list all files of a package? |
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| 00:38.39 | liable | jogla: dpkg -L |
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| 00:39.03 | jogla | Thank you |
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| 00:39.19 | liable | yw |
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| 00:45.15 | Bac9 | is there a way to force kill a process (kill -9 doesn't work)? I'll give you one guess which process it is, it starts with "X" |
| 00:45.59 | slicer_ | Bac9: i use htop, don't if thats what your looking for |
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| 00:46.48 | simonrvn | what's its status? Z? |
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| 00:47.56 | abrotman | Bac9: kill the PPID |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | if you're lucky! |
| 00:48.25 | Bac9 | slicer_: htop doesn't show the process at all :-( |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | top won't help at all |
| 00:48.46 | Bac9 | abrotman: that's what I am trying to do, but acording to top it's still using up 99% of my cpu |
| 00:48.50 | slicer_ | Bac9: htop should , it shows all my processes |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | Bac9: what is the status of the process ? |
| 00:49.09 | Bac9 | slicer_: not for me... although it shows 100% cpu utilization |
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| 00:49.39 | Bac9 | abrotman: "R" |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | Bac9: did you try to kill the PPID ? |
| 00:49.59 | simonrvn | yes, kill PPID |
| 00:50.06 | Bac9 | abrotman: yes, `kill -9` |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | on the PPID .. not the PID |
| 00:50.54 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh, woops |
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| 00:52.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: ok, that killed xdm, but Xorg is still alive and now with ppid 1 |
| 00:52.36 | simonrvn | only reboot will fix that |
| 00:52.40 | Bac9 | abrotman: and yes I am doing this as root |
| 00:52.45 | simonrvn | if it's Z |
| 00:53.02 | Bac9 | simonrvn: top lists it as "R" |
| 00:53.11 | simonrvn | running |
| 00:53.26 | simonrvn | should still be killable, technically |
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| 00:53.40 | theholyduck | pkill -9 ? |
| 00:53.51 | theholyduck | or kill -9 |
| 00:53.53 | theholyduck | depending :P |
| 00:54.08 | theholyduck | never met an app that i COULDNT kill with -9 |
| 00:54.20 | theholyduck | *a |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | he said he already did that |
| 00:54.32 | simonrvn | avoid -9 if you can.. try -15 (default) -2 -1 then -9 if still not |
| 00:54.34 | theholyduck | ;:O |
| 00:54.56 | theholyduck | simonrvn, common. why wouldnt one resort to the maximum level of violence to begin with? |
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| 00:55.19 | abrotman | because it's not good ? |
| 00:55.27 | theholyduck | abrotman, violence is always good |
| 00:55.33 | mimcpher | theholyduck, so the program has a chance to dump itself in a sane way? |
| 00:55.34 | Bac9 | theholyduck: I guess you've never met Xorg |
| 00:55.47 | theholyduck | Bac9, well i rather never had to kill it |
| 00:55.56 | theholyduck | mimcpher, sanity is for failures :) |
| 00:56.02 | theholyduck | this is SPAAARTAAA |
| 00:56.17 | Bac9 | theholyduck: it hung when I connected another monitor |
| 00:56.23 | karsten | theholyduck: You can't kill zombies. |
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| 00:56.37 | karsten | figures this is appropriate on Hallowe'en |
| 00:56.47 | simonrvn | theholyduck: because that's stupid, imo |
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| 00:57.34 | karsten | theholyduck: Using a trappable kill gives the process the option of cleaning up after itself first. |
| 00:57.37 | jogla | How can i change my timezone? |
| 00:57.47 | theholyduck | karsten, well sure :) |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | jogla: which version of debian ? |
| 00:57.58 | theholyduck | but where is the fun in that? |
| 00:58.00 | jogla | lenny/tisting |
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| 00:58.04 | karsten | theholyduck: For some processes, that's a good thing to do. Eg: shutting down databases gracefully is frequently preferable to otherwise. |
| 00:58.05 | jogla | s/tisting/testing/ |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure tzconfig .. IIRC |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | karsten: YHBT |
| 00:58.58 | karsten | a bbelt16ag Don't you have a hangover you should be sleeping off or something? |
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| 00:59.11 | karsten | s/bbelt16ag/abrotman/ |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | karsten: your spacebar is overactive :) |
| 00:59.17 | karsten | has *no* idea where that came from. |
| 00:59.21 | simonrvn | ETAB? :) |
| 00:59.37 | karsten | simonrvn: ELAG |
| 00:59.47 | jogla | abrotman: Its not installed |
| 00:59.51 | karsten | jogla: How about titing? |
| 01:00.01 | jogla | testing? |
| 01:00.27 | simonrvn | titting |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | tzselect ? |
| 01:00.57 | karsten | jogla: if nothing else, check /etc/timezone and set it appropriately, for system TZ. Otherwise 'export TZ=<value>' in your shell init (~/.bash_profile) for per-user config. |
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| 01:01.09 | jogla | tzselect seems to be cool |
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| 01:01.34 | karsten | !timezone |
| 01:01.34 | dpkg | timezone is, like, "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 01:01.56 | karsten | jogla: Yeah. |
| 01:02.08 | karsten | jogla: This shit changes from time to time, and us old farts have trouble keeping up with what's current. Plus it's not the sort of thing you do all the time. |
| 01:02.24 | jogla | yes |
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| 01:19.18 | ingo86 | hi all |
| 01:19.29 | ingo86 | i have a alc883 soundcard made by nvidia |
| 01:19.37 | ingo86 | it's integrated inside my asus p5ne-sli motherboard |
| 01:19.41 | GhostlyDeath | That's cool |
| 01:19.46 | ingo86 | i can listen the sound from 2 speakers |
| 01:19.49 | GhostlyDeath | I got an integrated audio card also |
| 01:19.53 | ingo86 | but i have a 5.1 system, and the other speakers seems to be not working |
| 01:19.57 | GhostlyDeath | and it comes in stereo |
| 01:20.06 | karsten | ingo86: 5.1? |
| 01:20.26 | ingo86 | 5 speakers and a sub |
| 01:20.33 | ingo86 | 3 jack output |
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| 01:21.29 | berniv6 | any machine admins around? Looks like the IPv6 connectivity to packages.debian.org is severed |
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| 01:22.21 | karsten | OK |
| 01:22.24 | karsten | ingo86: ^^ |
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| 01:23.50 | zamaliphe | http://pastebin.ca/1242087 mounting NTFS VOLUME largere than 130 GB |
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| 01:23.59 | zamaliphe | i get that error ? |
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| 01:24.28 | karsten | zamaliphe: Does it mount under, say, Windows? |
| 01:24.46 | zamaliphe | karsten: yes |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | and your fstab line? |
| 01:25.43 | zamaliphe | abrotman: /dev/sda9 /media/sda9 ntfs users,exec,umask=0,codepage=864,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 01:25.53 | karsten | zamaliphe: .. and what's /etc/fstab have for that partition? |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | the error says your codepage is bad |
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| 01:26.40 | zamaliphe | abrotman: yes what do you think |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | ntfs is the work of the devil! :) |
| 01:27.40 | zamaliphe | abrotman: is their is any other way to make it easy mounting ntfs for read and wort in debian ? |
| 01:28.05 | karsten | zamaliphe: For staters, drop the codepage option sinc emount is bitching about it. |
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| 01:28.06 | abrotman | tried leaving the codepage option out? |
| 01:28.09 | karsten | lags badly |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:28.27 | karsten | zamaliphe: Which NTFS driver are you using? |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | 3g |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | oh .. doesn't say |
| 01:28.52 | zamaliphe | karsten: i dont know the defult |
| 01:29.53 | zamaliphe | karsten: i dont know . the defult |
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| 01:31.41 | karsten | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg ntf |
| 01:31.43 | karsten | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg ntfs |
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| 01:32.30 | karsten | zamaliphe: Not something I keep up with too much, it's a crappy and undocumented filesystem ;-) |
| 01:32.46 | karsten | zamaliphe: That said: there's good support for it in Linux now, if you get it set up right. |
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| 01:34.24 | zamaliphe | !ntfs |
| 01:34.24 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
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| 01:39.40 | liable | zamaliphe: when someone tells you to message the bot, why do it in the channel? |
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| 01:42.08 | zamaliphe | liable: because i trayed the frist one and i thought it was a jok :D |
| 01:42.16 | zamaliphe | !ntf |
| 01:42.45 | liable | mmkay |
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| 01:43.28 | r3m | There is no sata driver in the etch distrib?!?! |
| 01:43.29 | zamaliphe | [03:31] <dpkg> are you using Windows?, zamaliphe |
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| 01:50.31 | pcc1 | am having a problem with the installer (etch 4.0r5) in that only 1 (the first) sata drive is seen. on dmesg I get "ata2: SATA link down" and the kernel only seems to see 2 sata ports rather than 4. is this a known problem? |
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| 02:05.24 | peter_12 | when I do "a2enmod cgi" it seems to be enabling cgid |
| 02:05.26 | peter_12 | is that correct? |
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| 02:06.42 | Deepa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.49 | Deepa | balargh wrong paste |
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| 02:07.28 | Deepa | apt-get segmentation faults for me when I try to use apt-get --help :P |
| 02:07.35 | gewt | peter_12, should be |
| 02:07.38 | gewt | Deepa, haha |
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| 02:07.43 | gewt | that'd eb fun |
| 02:07.50 | Deepa | Well it is kinda amusing |
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| 02:08.03 | gewt | i segfualted irssi changing a setting |
| 02:08.09 | gewt | on the gentoo cd |
| 02:08.17 | gewt | i also segfaulted irssi due to a syntax error |
| 02:08.28 | gewt | I haven't segfualted php yet. |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | Deepa: in xterm ? |
| 02:08.50 | Deepa | SSH infact |
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| 02:09.17 | Deepa | gewt, my rainbowtables generation script in PHP segfaults every now and then 8D |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | Deepa: apt-get help .. same thing ? |
| 02:09.42 | Deepa | No, only when I use apt-get --help :p |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | so just using -- ? |
| 02:10.04 | Deepa | Yes |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | strace apt-get --help ? |
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| 02:10.44 | Deepa | sec, installing strace |
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| 02:14.24 | Deepa | got stuck on unpacking replacement |
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| 02:20.44 | Wolfman2000 | Evening. I've noticed that there are .nanorc files in /usr/share/nano that allow for syntax highlighting. However, when I create the proper file, I do not see the colors. Is there an option I am supposed to activate for the highlighting? If it matters, I'm on Etch. |
| 02:21.49 | liable | Wolfman2000: did you try man nanorc ? |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | vegemitesmite liable! |
| 02:22.13 | Wolfman2000 | doing that now. |
| 02:22.37 | liable | gets rosy cheeks |
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| 02:23.56 | et | have you tried vim? *ducks and runs* |
| 02:25.28 | Wolfman2000 | liable: What bothers me...I'm not finding why /usr/share/nano isn't being read for me. I've been able to use that directory when I was on other distributions. |
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| 02:26.19 | liable | Wolfman2000: i couldnt tell you why thats the case. |
| 02:26.32 | gewt | http://home.mostlynothing.co.cc/sysinfo/ |
| 02:26.38 | gewt | http://home.mostlynothing.co.cc/sysinfo/ |
| 02:26.41 | gewt | oops |
| 02:26.46 | gewt | didn't think it got sent the first time |
| 02:26.50 | gewt | according to temperature |
| 02:26.56 | gewt | do you think somethign is wrong? |
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| 02:28.05 | Wolfman2000 | ...I think I see what it is: hang on while I try "include" |
| 02:28.25 | gewt | the tmperatures limtis are in the negatives. |
| 02:28.35 | gewt | after i was using tthe internal speaker |
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| 02:28.44 | gewt | i think i broke the sensors |
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| 02:29.34 | gewt | how do you calibrate the sensors with lm-sensors? |
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| 02:32.08 | gewt | Label Value Limit |
| 02:32.08 | gewt | CPU Temp 104°F -198°F |
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| 02:35.00 | umarzuki | fellow debian user, i had a problem preventing me installing debian http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=185209#185209 |
| 02:36.29 | Cripps | I've got vmware workstation 6 running a QNX 6.4 guest machine ... when I run the mount command (on the guest), I get the error message "mount: can't mount <mountpoint> (type nfs)" "mount: Possible Reason: Permission Denied" ... I've used the "no_root_squash,insecure" options in /etc/exports, and the share is exported to the subnets my vm is on, the nfs server is my debian box, on which vmware is running ... any ideas? |
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| 02:38.01 | XLV | umarzuki, certail maxtor hdds got problems with older nforce sata controllers, try to not use ahci for the sata controller ( and if its that, you'd need some updated firmware for the hdd ) |
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| 02:39.43 | Wolfman2000 | got it to work. thanks all. |
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| 02:40.37 | umarzuki | thanks for that advice XLV, i'll try disabling ahci first. On the BIOS or boot parameter? |
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| 02:40.49 | liable | bios |
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| 02:44.03 | XLV | umarzuki, in the bios, select for sata mode something like legacy, native, ide more or something like that, depending on how they name the sata controller to operate as ide compatible controller in the bios |
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| 03:01.08 | Benzi | Hi, I used netinst to install debian onto a system, and I want to redo the "configure network" and "select and install packages" stages of the setup. How do I return to them (after the sytem has rebooted and is functioning normally)? |
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| 03:01.12 | deever | hi |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | can't |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | !tell Benzi about interfaces |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | Benzi: you mean tasksel? |
| 03:01.35 | deever | how do i get a list of explicitely installed packages? |
| 03:01.36 | Benzi | yes |
| 03:01.38 | Benzi | lol |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | deever: /msg dpkg installed |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | Benzi: run tasksel ? |
| 03:02.00 | Benzi | lol yeah thanks |
| 03:02.28 | Benzi | oh, crap |
| 03:02.34 | Benzi | that only gets me to the "software selection" |
| 03:02.49 | deever | abrotman: huh? |
| 03:02.51 | Benzi | is it not possible to get back to the original installation menu? |
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| 03:03.11 | deever | i mean those i've passed to apt-get install |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | Benzi: which one do you actually want? |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | deever: aptitude tracks taht .. i don't think apt-get does |
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| 03:04.10 | Benzi | well, I guess all I need to do is get to that anyway |
| 03:04.30 | Benzi | I can edit interfaces manually, and then run tasksel |
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| 03:07.06 | Facedown | what's the difference between apt-get install and aptitude install? |
| 03:07.10 | Facedown | is one more proper than the other? |
| 03:07.17 | deever | abrotman: oh no...are you sure? |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 03:07.19 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 03:07.24 | abrotman | deever: pretty sure |
| 03:07.34 | Facedown | I see |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | deever: you could try the aptitude stuff dpkg told you about ... |
| 03:07.39 | Facedown | so always use aptitude then.. |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | in most cases |
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| 03:10.46 | deever | abrotman, Facedown: ok, i'll remember it! :) |
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| 03:30.51 | mallochigh | I have 2 sata's, well actually one now, that came out of a machine. They are/where raided level one through mdadm. I have one of them hooked up onto a promise card and it almost boots, but complains it can't find th VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-blockkernel |
| 03:31.13 | jimmybgood | are debian debs compiled with stack protection? |
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| 03:34.58 | XLV | mallochigh, you'd need to alter the /etc/fstab it cant find the / mount |
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| 03:35.24 | mallochigh | I did that |
| 03:35.39 | mallochigh | I'm actually thinking its missing the driver for the card :/ |
| 03:35.50 | mallochigh | I'm going to see what the d-i does |
| 03:36.00 | XLV | mallochigh, then try to erase also reaid superblock.. mdadm --zero iirc |
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| 03:37.14 | mallochigh | I'm not going through with a d-i, looks like it'll erase it :) |
| 03:37.27 | mallochigh | I need to find their kern/mod debs and dpkg -i in chroot.. |
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| 03:44.32 | jpinx | Hi -- how do I make my installed mplayer the default media player in firefox? |
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| 03:46.53 | slim_ | hello all, |
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| 03:47.56 | phorce1 | if I want to use the command line to send an https "command" like this https://secure.somewhere.tld/tpcc/makecall?username=USER&password=AAAAA&from=XXXX&to=YYYY what tool would I use? Links? I need to send the URL then exit. Not really expecting a response, it either works or it doesn't. |
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| 03:50.33 | kelvinq | Hi. I'm on Debian Lenny. Would like to use the Pidgin version in Experimental. I've added the Experimental Repository. How do I force apt to upgrade Pidgin from the Lenny version to Experimental? |
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| 03:52.41 | T-One | good morning |
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| 03:55.53 | troubled | so, when I click this little star for updates, enter my root password and hit okay, am I supposed to do it 5 times in a row for it to work? |
| 03:56.09 | troubled | or was it meant to work the first time originally? ;) |
| 03:56.15 | Benzi | kelvinq: I think you can do aptitude -t experimental install pkg1 pkg2... |
| 03:56.17 | troubled | (lenny btw) |
| 03:56.36 | kelvinq | Benzi, that's beautiful. would try it now. |
| 03:56.40 | mimcpher | kelvinq, "aptitude -t experimental pidgin" for one time, or put a Pin in /etc/apt/preferencse |
| 03:56.58 | kelvinq | thanks to mimcpher |
| 03:57.02 | kelvinq | :) |
| 03:57.08 | mallochigh | Okay I still cannot boot this |
| 03:57.17 | Benzi | except I think he meant "aptitude -t experimental install pidgin" |
| 03:57.21 | mallochigh | I can only chroot into the drive, and hear failure from apt. |
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| 03:57.33 | mimcpher | Indeed I did Benzi. Oops! |
| 03:57.44 | mimcpher | The "-t experimental" is the important bit anyways. |
| 03:58.18 | kelvinq | mimcpher, Benzi: great. it works beautifully. the "force version" option in Synaptic is dangerous. |
| 03:58.33 | Benzi | glad to help |
| 03:58.40 | kelvinq | mimcpher, Benzi: i think we should remove it. may mislead newbies. |
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| 04:02.56 | phorce1 | troubled: That update notifier is somehow screwed up. It *ALWAYS* thinks there are updates available. I just uninstalled it, it was annoying. |
| 04:03.32 | troubled | phorce1: well, I also tried the update manager. it did the same thing |
| 04:03.45 | troubled | seems like anything that asks for my root password just silently fails |
| 04:03.56 | troubled | kicks lenny in the nards |
| 04:05.35 | troubled | i do notice that im seeing the password window popup extremly briefly afterword again in a flash in all cases |
| 04:05.52 | phorce1 | troubled: uninstalled everything that looked like it wanted to play "installer deity". I update at the command line by typing 'apdate' |
| 04:06.47 | troubled | well, normally I would use apt-get, but I figured that all would be fine this way. besides, this gui sudo thing usually works for me |
| 04:07.23 | troubled | I also notice that the window, is switching back and forth between gtk themed and non themed :/ |
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| 04:07.51 | phorce1 | troubled: 'apdate' is a script I hacked up that does 'aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade' I still have to hit Y to approve what it wants to install |
| 04:08.07 | troubled | ah :) |
| 04:08.29 | troubled | ya, not even the "root terminal window" works |
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| 04:08.43 | phorce1 | troubled: it used to also do 'aptitude clean' until I needed to re-install a couple of packages and had to download them again. |
| 04:09.08 | enouf | uses apt-listchanges (and used to use apt-listbugs) |
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| 04:09.18 | troubled | I use clean alot on etch, but only cause I have a fully mirror of it |
| 04:09.55 | enouf | phorce1: i would say bash (your https thing), but if not, lynx, curl, ssh? |
| 04:10.01 | troubled | enouf: ya, but whats the package name that does that popup window for the root pass? |
| 04:10.03 | phorce1 | aptitude safe-upgrade is pretty good about listing bugs and asking how you wantto resolve them |
| 04:10.24 | enouf | kcmshell? |
| 04:10.40 | troubled | using gnome desktop |
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| 04:10.52 | phorce1 | enouf: I got it using links. I was being brain dead and not quoting the URL so it wasn't working when I was testing it. |
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| 04:11.08 | enouf | oh well http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html ? |
| 04:11.19 | enouf | phorce1: heh |
| 04:11.58 | enouf | i was going to say " .. but i can't give you a working example because i'm brainfarting right now" |
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| 04:12.34 | phorce1 | troubled: is this a clean install or an upgrade from etch? That has always "just worked" for me. Sounds like some sort of permissions issue if you see it flash up. |
| 04:12.47 | troubled | phorce1: upgrade from etch |
| 04:12.53 | phorce1 | enouf: The failures made me unsure if links would do https:// |
| 04:13.15 | troubled | phorce1: havent installed flash yet that I know of, unless it came as a dependency |
| 04:13.16 | enouf | phorce1: links2 certainly does, not sure of links |
| 04:14.09 | phorce1 | troubled: "flash up" == "pop-up" meaning the root auth window shows briefly then vanishes. |
| 04:14.23 | phorce1 | enouf: It's links2 that I have installed. |
| 04:14.30 | enouf | i don't use listbugs anymore .. too much to deal with for each pkg |
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| 04:14.41 | enouf | phorce1: \o/ |
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| 04:15.33 | phorce1 | enouf: it's an https: URL to cause my Vonage phone to dial my cell phone to use as a wake-up call. I'm REAL good about ignoring alarm cock, but never the phone. |
| 04:15.39 | troubled | phorce1: ah. well, when I hit okay after entering password, the window disappears, then reappears briefly and then it fails in that nothing happens |
| 04:16.15 | phorce1 | s/cock/clocks/ <--- missed a few keys, must be thinking of farm life waking up to the roosters |
| 04:17.12 | enouf | i've seen computers that act as Alarmclocks in their BIOSes, heh |
| 04:18.00 | troubled | you mean the auto wakeup setting? |
| 04:18.02 | dustybin | f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng |
| 04:18.11 | troubled | dustybin: cool :) |
| 04:18.39 | phorce1 | troubled: I don't know what it does to save authentication tokens. Maybe it uses gksu as a backend? |
| 04:18.42 | troubled | dustybin: that, or a job as a live apache typo module ;) |
| 04:19.03 | enouf | this old friggin HDD "whir" is really starting to piss me off tonight |
| 04:19.04 | troubled | phorce1: im assuming its gksu problem |
| 04:19.12 | troubled | phorce1: not seeing much in auth.log though |
| 04:19.31 | phorce1 | troubled: have you tried using gksu to run something? |
| 04:20.15 | phorce1 | enouf: got a seagate? |
| 04:20.34 | enouf | it's a remanufactured WD |
| 04:20.34 | troubled | phorce1: something very wrong is going on with the theme though |
| 04:20.44 | troubled | its switching back and forth every few seconds |
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| 04:21.26 | phorce1 | troubled: I'd drop to TTY, kill all of X, and try a reinstall of xorg |
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| 04:21.41 | enouf | phorce1: ~10yrs old, ~9114MB .. i need to toss it into the glory hole |
| 04:22.34 | phorce1 | has a about 100 4.5G SCA drives in a box. He's going to yank the magnets out "one of these days" |
| 04:23.06 | troubled | heh, about as useless as my dosen 9gig sca's |
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| 04:24.27 | troubled | phorce1: odd, when I run gksu and try "bash", it asked for a pass, I entered it, then it shows two "pounds" (#) prompts, but no matter what I try (even enter) seems to just hang |
| 04:24.40 | troubled | hitting ctrl-c though drops the shell :/ |
| 04:24.44 | phorce1 | I have 4 refurb 147G SCA and a refurb 73G SCA that I'm trying to figure out a use for. I used them for about 10 minutes before the MB in the E450 died |
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| 04:25.08 | troubled | phorce1: send em to me, I have 2 sca systems |
| 04:25.23 | troubled | although, 6 drives would be better :) |
| 04:25.44 | phorce1 | troubled: try going out to a TTY as user and doing an su to root. |
| 04:26.07 | troubled | su works fine |
| 04:26.22 | clocksys | hello, anyone know of an applet i can put on gnome panel for quick screen image capturing ? |
| 04:27.13 | troubled | phorce1: auth.log even shows a successful su via gksu |
| 04:27.20 | phorce1 | troubled: If I can build a cage to fit the hot-swap card's I have I'll build a small RAID5 from the 147G drives. Maybe save media to it (although I currently have a 750G IDE full of my media files. |
| 04:27.27 | troubled | but its running an extra command after it does which isnt working |
| 04:27.42 | phorce1 | clocksys: just hit the PRTSCRN key |
| 04:27.57 | troubled | phorce1: I got a pair of dell poweredges with the caddies for my sca |
| 04:28.10 | troubled | the raid card is only scsi2 though |
| 04:28.21 | clocksys | aahh cool thanks phorce1 |
| 04:28.47 | phorce1 | I think I have an UW scsi card around here somewhere. |
| 04:30.06 | phorce1 | right now I'm waiting to hear back from Sprint about how long it'll take to move my T1 to the new office and trying to pack crap up and ..... so it'll be a while before I play with them |
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| 04:31.58 | phorce1 | heh -- in this machine I'm on right now I have an Intel DUAL gigabit PCI-X card from the E450 plugged into a 32bit PCI slot using only one of the ports because the slot bandwidth won't support both. It's a rock solid card though. |
| 04:33.07 | phorce1 | Somehow I think finding a motherbard with a PCI-X slot that would support a quad-core Intel CPU won't be easy. |
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| 04:34.34 | troubled | pci-x was just before pci-e wasnt it? |
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| 04:35.35 | troubled | i seem to recall seeing alot of server stuff that was pci-x for scsi just cause you needed more bandwidth than standard pci to truly use it to its potential |
| 04:36.16 | phorce1 | hmmm --- actually, SuperMicro has a couple. They start near $300 for the MB. I'm too cheap for that. |
| 04:37.07 | troubled | :) |
| 04:37.27 | troubled | im glad ill be skipping the whole failed pci-x line of machines |
| 04:37.42 | phorce1 | yeah 64bit PCI slots. Expensive to stuff on a board and take lots of real estate space. |
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| 04:38.52 | meeero | how to remove a file that is called e.g. --file-name ? |
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| 04:40.16 | TiMiDo | is there any bugs on alsa on debian lenny? |
| 04:40.55 | troubled | meeero: rm -- --file-name ? |
| 04:40.56 | phorce1 | troubled: not failed. Just very directed at the server market. There are PCI-X SATA raid cards out there. Blazing speed through the PCI bus. |
| 04:41.58 | troubled | phorce1: ya, but would you really care if you can get 8gb/s off pci-e? |
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| 04:42.39 | troubled | well, for a x32 :) wiki seems to say that its just over a gb/s for pci-x |
| 04:42.43 | troubled | at its max that is |
| 04:42.50 | phorce1 | troubled: there are also very-high-end sound cards that are pci-x and in current manufacture |
| 04:43.02 | troubled | phorce1: reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X |
| 04:43.12 | TiMiDo | where is the dir of the alsa blacklist? |
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| 04:43.24 | cybane | Hello all |
| 04:43.28 | troubled | TiMiDo: alsa blacklist? or module blacklist? |
| 04:43.44 | streuner | !listkeys alsa |
| 04:43.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 of 82): #debian 2.4 alsa one-liner ;; #debian alsa ;; #debian alsa for morons ;; 2.4 alsa one-liner ;; _default alsahowto ;; _default be alsa barbie ;; _default setup alsa ;; alsa 2.4 ;; alsa 2.6 ;; alsa for azeem ;; alsa-install ;; alsadriver ;; alsautils ;; be an alsa advocate ;; list alsa users. |
| 04:43.50 | troubled | TiMiDo: try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
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| 04:44.06 | troubled | !listkeys blacklist |
| 04:44.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'blacklist' by key (10): blacklist ipv6 ;; blacklist sarge ;; alsa blacklist ;; installer blacklist ;; _default alsa blacklist ;; blacklist-initramfs ;; _default blacklist ;; #debian blacklist ;; #debian-bots blacklist ;; blacklist. |
| 04:44.20 | troubled | I see an alsa blacklist there |
| 04:44.23 | troubled | TiMiDo: ^^^ |
| 04:44.28 | slicer_ | how can i test the sound, alsa? |
| 04:44.29 | streuner | !alsa blacklist |
| 04:44.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa blacklist is at http://www.alsa-project.org/black.html |
| 04:44.44 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 04:44.45 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 04:44.59 | troubled | slicer_: cat a pcm file out to the dev? |
| 04:45.22 | enouf | aplay a wav |
| 04:45.25 | troubled | slicer_: i think theres a wav player though |
| 04:45.29 | troubled | ya, aplay rings a bell |
| 04:45.30 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 04:45.30 | dpkg | somebody said speaker-test was do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
| 04:45.57 | cybane | Is it normal during the debian install for the screen to remain blue with a white row along the bottom of the screen and for it to just sit there? |
| 04:46.01 | slicer_ | ty |
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| 04:46.19 | troubled | cybane: heh, probably not |
| 04:46.25 | cybane | oh there it went |
| 04:46.25 | enouf | cybane: it's mocking you |
| 04:46.29 | cybane | I think it was just thinking |
| 04:46.29 | troubled | enouf: XD |
| 04:46.39 | cybane | INstalling on a P3 866MHz |
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| 04:49.27 | cybane | Does Debian still use the 2.4 kernel or do all current isos use 2.6? |
| 04:49.47 | enouf | what? |
| 04:49.50 | troubled | not sure, but didnt etch install cd default to 2.4? |
| 04:49.56 | enouf | etch and up uses 2.6 |
| 04:50.12 | enouf | sarge had both 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 avail |
| 04:50.15 | troubled | pretty sure youve been able to force 2.6 since sarge though |
| 04:50.19 | cybane | Okay good the book I am reading said to type linux26 to make sure I installed linux2.6 rather than 2.4 |
| 04:50.36 | troubled | enouf: even in etch, didnt you have to do an "install26" on boot? |
| 04:50.45 | enouf | cybane: you should be reading the /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:50.52 | enouf | no |
| 04:50.59 | troubled | mind you, im thinking 4.0r1 ish |
| 04:51.10 | troubled | not sure about r5 install cd's, or if they are even changed |
| 04:51.16 | enouf | nope, i recall testing etch rc1, prior to release |
| 04:51.31 | troubled | could have sworn I had to for 26 once |
| 04:51.52 | troubled | mind you, the last time I had to manualy install etch was over a year ago now. all FAI here now |
| 04:51.53 | meeero | troubled: thank you, that worked :> |
| 04:52.00 | enouf | etch introduced the 6 major options; install{gui}, expert{gui}, rescue{gui} |
| 04:52.01 | troubled | what worked? |
| 04:52.07 | enouf | + the gtk graphical installer |
| 04:52.14 | troubled | I didnt do nothing :/ |
| 04:52.33 | troubled | meeero: who are you, and what do you want from me?! |
| 04:52.46 | troubled | meeero: oh, file rm? np heh |
| 04:52.52 | enouf | those pesky F1..F10 keys are actually useful |
| 04:53.44 | meeero | rofl ;> |
| 04:53.49 | cybane | okay reading guide |
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| 04:55.12 | enouf | troubled: the rc1 i tested used 2.6.17 even |
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| 04:55.57 | troubled | enouf: i know i had 2.6.18, but i could have sworn I did the "install26" or whatever. unless it just booted with 2.4 and installed 26 or something. let me take a look at the iso |
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| 04:57.47 | troubled | enouf: well, looking at the syslinux.cfg, its all the same vmlinuz file and no "install26" option. Must have been thinking of a sarge cd perhaps |
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| 05:00.50 | troubled | to be fair though, I checked my dvd1 iso, not the cd i used to install ;) |
| 05:02.04 | enouf | troubled: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-kernel-changes |
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| 05:02.30 | enouf | right, i installed rc1 using dvd1 |
| 05:02.42 | enouf | (that) |
| 05:02.51 | troubled | ya, must have been a sarge install i was thinking of |
| 05:02.54 | enouf | (that's what needed testing then) |
| 05:03.05 | troubled | not sure where my sarge iso's are atm though |
| 05:03.06 | enouf | troubled: yes, because both were avail |
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| 05:03.43 | troubled | judging by the looks of lenny though, I think im gonna hold up for a while. at least for X installs or upgrades |
| 05:03.47 | enouf | !dbse |
| 05:03.48 | dpkg | from memory, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r4) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 05:04.15 | enouf | heh, i think i helped make that ... or did create it .. forgot all about it |
| 05:04.15 | troubled | who comes up with these obscure factoid names anyways? hehe |
| 05:04.27 | enouf | <-- :-P |
| 05:04.28 | troubled | !factinfo dbse |
| 05:04.29 | dpkg | dbse -- created by enouf <n=stompthe@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net> at Sun Apr 8 17:30:20 2007 (572 days); it has been requested 34 times, last by enouf, 41s ago. |
| 05:04.32 | troubled | L( |
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| 05:04.35 | troubled | \:) |
| 05:04.40 | troubled | grrrrs |
| 05:05.57 | enouf | dpkg: dbse =~ s#(4.0r4)#(4.0r5)# |
| 05:05.57 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 05:06.31 | cybane | I am working with the APM mode I have Suspend Wapeup on : Modem Ring, IRQ PCI Bus Activity also under Power-up on: PCI Bus Activity should all of these be set to disabled? |
| 05:06.31 | enouf | wow 572 days? O_o there's a counter for ya ;-) |
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| 05:06.40 | troubled | heh |
| 05:06.49 | troubled | were a bunch of old farts :) |
| 05:07.04 | troubled | we're* |
| 05:07.12 | enouf | cybane: try using acpi=force , forget APM |
| 05:07.24 | cybane | I have both |
| 05:07.27 | cybane | In my bios |
| 05:07.51 | enouf | cybane: well .. use ACPI when you can, unless buggy BIOS |
| 05:08.29 | cybane | ok |
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| 05:08.56 | slicer_ | i addes my normal user to grup audio, but can only play an mp3 as root. do i need to change the permissions in dev? |
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| 05:09.04 | enouf | cybane: i'm on a p2 desktop using acpi=force - if that cause issues, use nothing, or acpi=off |
| 05:09.35 | enouf | slicer_: add yourself to plugdev group |
| 05:10.24 | enouf | (presuming an iRiver or something) |
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| 05:11.04 | slicer_ | enouf: still don't work |
| 05:11.22 | slicer_ | i remeber before i think i had to change the permissions in dev |
| 05:11.32 | enouf | nah |
| 05:11.50 | enouf | i never had to do that .. unless .. you mounted it funky or something |
| 05:12.04 | enouf | udev rules - use pmount, or automount? |
| 05:12.16 | slicer_ | why? |
| 05:12.21 | enouf | who? |
| 05:12.28 | slicer_ | pmount what my sound card/ |
| 05:12.33 | enouf | what device? |
| 05:12.39 | slicer_ | audio |
| 05:12.40 | troubled | heh |
| 05:13.01 | slicer_ | its onboard, it works but only as root, you see |
| 05:13.07 | slim_ | hello all, how to install lirc for x10 rf remote control ? |
| 05:13.17 | enouf | there's nothing inherent in playing mp3s that you need root |
| 05:13.52 | slicer_ | enouf: exactly its a bug, i did change the permission of /dev/pcm i think i can't remember |
| 05:13.58 | enouf | !lirc |
| 05:13.58 | dpkg | lirc is, like, Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 05:14.23 | enouf | slicer_: not me .. think /dev/snd/* |
| 05:14.36 | enouf | lshal | grep device_file |
| 05:15.15 | slim_ | hello enouf i try the two method installing lirc one with lirc from debian repository the other is manual and everytime i fail make it running |
| 05:15.19 | troubled | slicer_: if you changed a dev permission, chances are that the correct way was to add your user to that group instead |
| 05:15.41 | enouf | username adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev |
| 05:16.31 | enouf | slim_: i really don't know, do this; dpkg -L <lirc-pkgname> | grep doc |
| 05:16.43 | enouf | read teh /usr/share/doc/* |
| 05:16.46 | slim_ | thanks enouf |
| 05:16.49 | phorce1 | grrrr |
| 05:17.08 | phorce1 | is getting a headache looking at virtualization options |
| 05:17.28 | phorce1 | xen, vserver, qemu, openvz, vmware |
| 05:17.39 | enouf | +kvm |
| 05:17.47 | enouf | +uml |
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| 05:17.57 | enouf | +virtualbox |
| 05:17.59 | phorce1 | enouf: gee, thanks, add somemore |
| 05:18.06 | enouf | shall i continue? :-P |
| 05:18.35 | slicer_ | troubled: yeah i'll keep looking, i had it working once before. i changed a permission in dev and it worked last time |
| 05:19.43 | enouf | strace your command |
| 05:19.59 | phorce1 | wants 2 or 3 lenny installs on a single box. Each running a low bandwidth web server. One in-house only, 2 facing the Inet |
| 05:20.35 | enouf | has something like that, i just chroot into other installation :-) |
| 05:21.25 | cybane | is it best to leave domain empty if this is not going to be on the internet or is something better than nothing |
| 05:21.28 | phorce1 | they need to be REALLY separate, one will have security sensitive stuff on it and the two outward facing will each need a non-wildcard SSL cert |
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| 05:21.43 | enouf | thinks taking X down is more aggregious than rebooting :-P |
| 05:21.57 | phorce1 | I'm just trying to consolidate under-utilized hardware |
| 05:22.13 | enouf | cybane: you can leave it blank, or make it localhost.localdomain |
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| 05:22.39 | enouf | or anything you like - then see /etc/hosts file once you finish |
| 05:22.53 | enouf | and /msg dpkg hostname |
| 05:22.59 | cybane | If I plan to any intraneting would something like smithnet.tld get me in trouble? |
| 05:23.07 | phorce1 | enouf: I *hate* leaving X. I have a LOT of browser windows and term screens that I leave open 24x7 on this box |
| 05:23.16 | enouf | for LAN you don't need anything |
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| 05:23.40 | enouf | phorce1: right! all these friggin diff things i'm reading! ;-) |
| 05:24.15 | phorce1 | If I have to bring X down I usually just crash-close it so my IceWeasel session will restore ALL of the windows and not just the last set I closed/saved intentionally |
| 05:25.06 | slicer_ | i am wondering why /dev/dsp doesn't exist? |
| 05:26.35 | phorce1 | is going to pour coffee, eat canned spaghetti/meatballs, eat halloween candy that didn't get handed out, and try to take a nap. |
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| 05:27.05 | phorce1 | then go back to reading about xen |
| 05:27.07 | extor | Was bitchx taken out of lenny? |
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| 05:27.39 | smack | Is there some trick to get flash 10 working? I copied libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and it doesn't work. |
| 05:27.40 | phorce1 | extor: I think it stopped getting maintained |
| 05:27.49 | phorce1 | extor: check out irssi |
| 05:28.08 | extor | hrmm I wonder if there are any nasty sploits for it |
| 05:28.30 | extor | apt-cache search turned up 'pork' which is what I am trying next |
| 05:28.41 | enouf | !why is bitchx not in etch |
| 05:28.41 | dpkg | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 05:28.45 | phorce1 | no, really, check out irssi |
| 05:28.47 | enouf | !why is bitchx not in stable |
| 05:28.47 | dpkg | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 05:28.54 | enouf | nm dpkg |
| 05:29.41 | enouf | phorce1: that's a decent feature (the crash and burn save session) |
| 05:30.27 | troubled | extor: irssi! |
| 05:30.30 | enouf | however, i have a feeling, the way i make mine crash - that wouldn't work anyway :-) |
| 05:30.32 | phorce1 | enouf: I just wish I could intentionally save a multi-opened set of IceWeasel windows |
| 05:30.41 | extor | crash n burn? |
| 05:30.56 | troubled | extor: irssi is _the_ irc client for hardcore cli ppl |
| 05:31.10 | enouf | !screen+irssi |
| 05:31.10 | dpkg | methinks screen+irssi is run "crontab -e" and add "@reboot screen -S irssi -d -m irssi", then (after next reboot) you can attach to irssi using "screen -x irssi" |
| 05:31.10 | extor | Hmm even more hardcore than bitchx users? |
| 05:31.11 | phorce1 | enouf: I don't remember if I've tried it across a full reboot |
| 05:31.15 | extor | wants to be hard core |
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| 05:31.30 | troubled | extor: I came from bitchx years ago. its the exact same look and feel, just irssi is better |
| 05:31.36 | enouf | makes extor appear in softcore |
| 05:32.35 | enouf | phorce1: hrm, well, it should, since it's 'writing to file' to save the session(s), but when i crash, there's no file writing, all is lost ;-) |
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| 05:32.58 | phorce1 | except the auto-saving of windows/auto-logins/etc. BitchX was much better at asving configs. But modifying the irssi config by hand to add auto-joins and such is easier than it was in BitchX |
| 05:33.27 | troubled | phorce1: in irssi you just so /save |
| 05:34.03 | phorce1 | troubled: yeah, I've tried that. And had to go in and fix stuff by hand afterward. |
| 05:34.15 | troubled | then you didnt do it right ;) |
| 05:34.17 | extor | Irssi will automatically log any channels, queries or special windows that you want. The logfiles will be separated per IRC network, and even log rotation is supported. Log file formats, themes and destination directories can be easily configured with the Irssi log settings. |
| 05:34.25 | extor | Is this true??? |
| 05:34.31 | extor | It logs by default? |
| 05:34.40 | troubled | not the one in etch at least |
| 05:34.44 | phorce1 | not by default |
| 05:34.58 | troubled | I have: autolog = OFF |
| 05:35.04 | phorce1 | will log any you want if you set it up. |
| 05:35.08 | troubled | extor: if you type: /set log |
| 05:35.18 | troubled | irssi will show you EVERY setting with "log" in it |
| 05:35.26 | enouf | sends the NSA to extor to enforce freenode policy about logging public channels |
| 05:35.35 | troubled | just knowing that trick pretty much mean syou can find any setting easy |
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| 05:36.04 | troubled | enouf: actually, he can log all he wants, he just cant publically publish said logs without consent :) |
| 05:36.14 | enouf | bingo |
| 05:36.21 | enouf | well.. |
| 05:36.32 | enouf | i think there's a thing about bots logging |
| 05:36.39 | phorce1 | I log #linuxtv daily (it's announced in the cahnnel that it is a logged channel) because it is a VERY slow channel. One might wait days for a response to a question so I just grep the logs if I asked a question then had to leave. |
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| 05:38.57 | phorce1 | I also have a log set up to capture everything /msgd to me by one specific person that I was discussing driver development with. |
| 05:39.31 | enouf | troubled: imagine of trying to hunt down 1000s of irc'ers, many of whom aren't even registered .. haha |
| 05:39.40 | enouf | troubled: might as well be on the hunt for Obama binladen :-P |
| 05:39.46 | smack | AHHH! |
| 05:39.46 | troubled | hehe |
| 05:40.05 | phorce1 | my #linuxtv logs are created daily as "~/.irssi/linuxtv-2008-10-31" so cleanup is easy. |
| 05:40.07 | extor | typing /set log showed me nothing..not even an error |
| 05:40.18 | slicer_ | why is /dev/dsp in .static/dev/dsp ? |
| 05:40.26 | enouf | phorce1: sure, many -dev channels are quiet for many hour, even days sometimes |
| 05:40.37 | extor | even typing /help does nothing |
| 05:40.47 | enouf | slicer_: that's only the udev one |
| 05:41.04 | slicer_ | so what should i do? |
| 05:41.04 | phorce1 | extor go to "window 1" to use those commands |
| 05:41.15 | phorce1 | extor: ALT-1 |
| 05:41.41 | enouf | install alsa-utils, alsa-oss, and rerun alsaconf? and maybe dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 05:41.51 | phorce1 | extor: output from the IRC servers and local commands always goes there |
| 05:42.04 | troubled | enouf: okay there slushpuppy/John-Q-Public/Klovis_Klaun/too_many_nicks_to_list_here ;) |
| 05:42.18 | slicer_ | enouf: i did the former already so i'll try dpkg-reconfigure :) |
| 05:42.22 | enouf | ls l /dev/.static/dev | wc -l |
| 05:42.23 | troubled | enouf: even the good trolls slip up eventually ;) |
| 05:42.24 | enouf | 1601 |
| 05:42.59 | enouf | troubled: wait .. Klovis_klaun? i think i know that b0z0 |
| 05:43.22 | troubled | heh |
| 05:43.33 | slicer_ | enouf: still no /dev/dsp ?? |
| 05:43.55 | enouf | slicer_: me? not only do i have /dev/dsp, but i have a /dev/adsp |
| 05:44.00 | troubled | enouf: why bloat_detective though? bug hunting? |
| 05:44.20 | enouf | likely |
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| 05:44.30 | adb | phorce1: hi, tested yet "debirf-minimal" ? |
| 05:44.37 | slicer_ | enouf: any ideas? |
| 05:44.40 | enouf | ahh |
| 05:44.47 | enouf | slicer_: about what? |
| 05:44.55 | slicer_ | why i dont have /dev/dsp |
| 05:45.00 | slicer_ | surely i need it? |
| 05:45.08 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 05:45.08 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 05:45.19 | enouf | not really |
| 05:45.35 | enouf | i don't think anything i use, uses /dev/dsp |
| 05:45.48 | enouf | that's an OSS leftover |
| 05:45.52 | slicer_ | oh |
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| 05:46.03 | enouf | modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
| 05:46.09 | phorce1 | adb: maybe a while before I can play with it. It's still hosted if you want to point anyone to it. |
| 05:46.15 | enouf | and it'll pull in snd_pcm_oss |
| 05:46.31 | enouf | alsa uses dsnoop and dmix, IINM |
| 05:46.36 | enouf | !dsnoop |
| 05:46.40 | enouf | !dmix |
| 05:46.40 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 05:46.43 | arussel | where can I get updated info on when will be next stable release ? |
| 05:47.15 | enouf | or .. if an app requires /dev/dsp, alsalib wil throw it's alsa-oss wrapper around it or something |
| 05:47.26 | slicer_ | this just racked my tiny brain :), unload all oss modules but load snd-pcm-oss, and now i have /dev/dsp |
| 05:47.48 | adb | phorce1: not for moment , but have done a new one debirf-xkiosk , whit X and iceweasel |
| 05:47.56 | phorce1 | adb: I may burn it here in a sec and see if it will boot onto an old dual celeron with (I think) 1G of Ram installed. |
| 05:48.11 | slicer_ | so misinoformation was the errorrrrrrr |
| 05:48.21 | troubled | phorce1: dual celeron?! |
| 05:48.29 | phorce1 | adb -- ohhh send me that one |
| 05:48.37 | slicer_ | or should i say disinformation |
| 05:48.40 | adb | hehe ok |
| 05:48.40 | troubled | didnt even think you could use those things in smp |
| 05:48.42 | phorce1 | troubled: dual SOMETHING old and Intel |
| 05:48.54 | slicer_ | wtf??? |
| 05:48.56 | phorce1 | Maybe PIII |
| 05:49.03 | troubled | phorce1: seems like a bit of a waste to use a dual budget cpu thats all |
| 05:49.26 | phorce1 | they're 933 chips |
| 05:49.27 | troubled | be like 4-way 486's :) |
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| 05:50.21 | adb | phorce1: wget http://212.147.100.242/pub/debirf-xkiosk.iso |
| 05:50.21 | phorce1 | troubled: Hey, before I killed it my 4 CPU Sun E-450 at 480MHz per CPU was running circles around some of the 3.0GHz duals we have here in the office |
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| 05:50.34 | adb | 135.6M |
| 05:50.53 | troubled | phorce1: risc cpu? |
| 05:51.22 | phorce1 | anyone else looking at that file from adb leave it be for now. He has slow up bandwidth, I'll host it on the T-1 after I have it downloaded |
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| 05:52.01 | phorce1 | troubled: well, yeah, that may have had something to do with it also |
| 05:52.05 | phorce1 | ;-) |
| 05:52.08 | adb | note his T1 is ~ 100kB/s ... hheh |
| 05:52.53 | phorce1 | adb: but I'm only showing about 9.1 from you right now. :-) |
| 05:53.12 | adb | oh, ok ;) |
| 05:55.04 | phorce1 | and, for everyone's info that wasn't here the other night,debirf is Debian, completely loaded into RAM |
| 05:56.00 | phorce1 | http://cmrg.fifthhorseman.net/wiki/debirf |
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| 05:56.48 | enouf | OT! |
| 05:56.50 | enouf | :-p |
| 05:57.27 | enouf | slicer_: we call what you experienced; PEBKAC :-) |
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| 05:59.25 | enouf | $ lshal | grep device_file | sort | wc -l |
| 05:59.26 | enouf | 71 |
| 05:59.32 | enouf | O_o |
| 06:00.23 | smack | Is flash 10 somehow incompatable with debian? |
| 06:00.23 | enouf | oh, heh, i forgot, i have 2 soundcards |
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| 06:00.27 | enouf | flash10 is incompatible with itself |
| 06:00.31 | smack | Does anyone know if anyone has ever gotten it working? |
| 06:00.41 | smack | I couldn't find evidence of anyone ever getting it working on the forum. |
| 06:00.44 | enouf | flashcrapoopshit |
| 06:01.05 | adb | enouf: right ! |
| 06:01.14 | smack | I'm a total flash addict. I'm locked out of so much stuff without it. |
| 06:01.33 | enouf | good, now go away adobe boy |
| 06:01.36 | adb | !flashcrapoopshit |
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| 06:02.09 | smack | meh |
| 06:02.14 | enouf | smack: the only thing i can think of is; |
| 06:02.17 | phorce1 | smack: 9.0 installs from nonfree |
| 06:02.24 | enouf | do /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:02.26 | smack | 9 is slow as crap, all skippy fullscreen. |
| 06:02.45 | enouf | smack: file a complaint |
| 06:02.50 | smack | with who? |
| 06:02.54 | enouf | nay, file a few |
| 06:03.01 | enouf | adobe |
| 06:03.08 | phorce1 | what are you loading fullscreen in flash? |
| 06:03.27 | smack | youtube videos, I watch prostarcraft regularly. |
| 06:03.28 | enouf | you "depend" on flash, and you don't even know who makes/owns it? |
| 06:03.34 | cybane | okay I did something wrong |
| 06:03.44 | enouf | yes, yes you did |
| 06:03.47 | smack | enouf: no you're misinterpreting me. |
| 06:03.53 | enouf | likely |
| 06:03.59 | enouf | on purpose |
| 06:04.02 | enouf | :-P |
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| 06:04.32 | phorce1 | a youtube video, expanded to fullscreen, on my 22" monitor is unwatchable anyway. They ain't no hi-res in THAT tube |
| 06:04.40 | smack | I feel.. such rage. I should probably give up and go back to flash 9. |
| 06:04.55 | cybane | nope I did it right |
| 06:04.56 | enouf | go further ;-) |
| 06:05.31 | enouf | ##windows is thataway -----------------> |
| 06:05.50 | troubled | enouf: heh, it actually is thataway in my screen :) |
| 06:05.58 | troubled | #debian is my first window :) |
| 06:06.19 | enouf | heh |
| 06:07.40 | smack | ahh, found something on forums to try. |
| 06:10.13 | poole | phorece1 - there was some talk a while ago about youtube ugrading all their videos to some high def - i guess it never happened? |
| 06:10.15 | cybane | eehhh should debian be prompting me for my install CD? |
| 06:10.22 | cybane | when using apt-get |
| 06:11.08 | phorce1 | poole: I personally think that would be dumb. It's works fine for what it was intended right now. No need to waste MORE bandwidth. |
| 06:11.24 | phorce1 | s/It's/It/ |
| 06:11.52 | cybane | poole: people can upload HD vids now |
| 06:11.59 | phorce1 | cybane: you need to edit your sources.list to comment out the CD |
| 06:13.27 | phorce1 | is *REALLY* going to get coffee/food now. He's certain the last pot he made is now too cold so he has to start all over. Damn you people! <grin> brb |
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| 06:15.41 | troubled | phorce1: use a microwave |
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| 06:22.31 | enouf | !nuke troubled |
| 06:22.31 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at troubled |
| 06:22.46 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 06:36.14 | gigo | is there any GUI based FTP client that will make it easy to transfer complete folders recursively? |
| 06:36.36 | troubled | gigo: while not a gui, wget probably work fine |
| 06:37.06 | gigo | troubled: wget will let me upload files to the FTP server? |
| 06:37.12 | troubled | theres a oss ftp I use thats a clone of flashfxp called filezilla that probably has a linux port |
| 06:37.26 | troubled | dont think it handles uploads, no |
| 06:37.44 | Throat | troubled, you're watching ##windows and #debian? |
| 06:37.47 | troubled | gigo: filezilla can do site to site transfers though if they allow passive iirc |
| 06:38.06 | Throat | and your computer doesn't explode? |
| 06:38.18 | troubled | i haz special computers ;) |
| 06:38.23 | Throat | of phone with bill or something |
| 06:38.30 | gigo | site to site meaninging, transfer files from example.com to example.org from my laptop? |
| 06:39.02 | troubled | gigo: site to site means that you dont download first then upload, the 2 ftp servers transfer directly to each other |
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| 06:39.16 | troubled | assuming they allow passive transfers that is |
| 06:39.26 | gigo | oh, that's wonderful. I didn't know that such a thing is possible in FTP protocol |
| 06:39.27 | phorce1 | troubled: yuck, burned coffee is worse than cold coffee |
| 06:40.09 | troubled | gigo: it just allows you to specify the port and ip for the site to open up to, so if you tell each server to talk to each other instead of you, *poof*, magic happens ;) |
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| 06:40.30 | troubled | gigo: trick of the warez trade from the day ;) |
| 06:40.56 | troubled | well, assuming you were fortunate enough to know high up couriers :) |
| 06:40.58 | Throat | I thought |
| 06:41.00 | gigo | troubled: thanks for this new information. |
| 06:41.02 | Throat | !ftp must die |
| 06:41.03 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 06:41.22 | cybane | wtf apt-get is not finding screen |
| 06:41.22 | troubled | phorce1: how do you burn water? |
| 06:41.41 | Throat | with bloodhoundgang... fire water burn |
| 06:42.13 | gigo | Throat: I like scp, because apart from secure copy protocol it is also a simple copy protocol. it is so easy to transfer files from one system to another recursively. |
| 06:42.38 | phorce1 | cybane: what version of debain are you running? |
| 06:42.58 | adb | phorce1: dld is almost finished ? |
| 06:43.01 | Throat | gigo, yeah, only bit of a pity it has to encrypt *everything* |
| 06:43.07 | zinx | gigo: i vastly prefer rsync+ssh over scp |
| 06:43.21 | phorce1 | adb 58% |
| 06:43.24 | troubled | <3 rsync |
| 06:43.28 | adb | sweet |
| 06:43.46 | zinx | gigo: it has such amazing features as being able to resume a download. |
| 06:43.53 | cybane | Most recent stable i386 |
| 06:43.59 | troubled | zinx: does rsync actually just use scp for the actual transfer? |
| 06:44.01 | cybane | I added another mirror |
| 06:44.06 | gigo | Throat: isn't there an option to set cipher as null using the -c argument? |
| 06:44.07 | zinx | troubled: no, it uses rsync |
| 06:44.11 | cybane | that fixed it |
| 06:44.12 | zinx | troubled: just like scp uses scp |
| 06:44.18 | troubled | heh |
| 06:44.22 | troubled | scp uses scp huh? ;) |
| 06:44.26 | phorce1 | adb I'm getting about 70kB from you now. Did you close all the pr0n windows? ;-) |
| 06:44.31 | zinx | troubled: (it executes rsync on the remote end, just like scp executes scp on the remote end) |
| 06:44.38 | zinx | troubled: afaik |
| 06:44.46 | gigo | ok zinx |
| 06:44.47 | cybane | I added deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian etch main contrib to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:44.56 | adb | phorce1: yes :) |
| 06:44.57 | phorce1 | 32%' |
| 06:44.59 | phorce1 | oops |
| 06:45.00 | zinx | troubled: i know for sure when you run rsync locally, it runs it in server mode remotely, though |
| 06:45.02 | phorce1 | 62% |
| 06:45.19 | Throat | gigo, interesting question.... what would that do to password authentification? |
| 06:45.29 | troubled | zinx: havent tried rsync over ssh yet, ill have to play around with it and see if it works with ssh-ftp (scp) disabled |
| 06:45.32 | gigo | just checked the list of ciphers supported: 3des-cbc, aes128-cbc, aes192-cbc, aes256-cbc, aes128-ctr, aes192-ctr, aes256-ctr, arcfour128, arcfour256, arcfour, blowâfish-cbc, and cast128-cbc. |
| 06:45.42 | cybane | woot a new transporter movie |
| 06:45.45 | troubled | err, sftp-server |
| 06:45.48 | zinx | troubled: it does |
| 06:45.52 | gigo | so I believe arcfour128 would be the best thing to do if we want to minimize time lost due to encryption |
| 06:46.07 | zinx | troubled: it doesn't work if the rsync binary isn't installed on both machines, though (no need to run the server, but you do need 'rsync') |
| 06:46.13 | phorce1 | cybane: any of the debian round-robins should have showed it though |
| 06:46.21 | troubled | zinx: so its just stealing stdin/stdout for the xfer then, not using sftp-server for the actual transport? |
| 06:46.51 | troubled | zinx: ie: uncommented -> # Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 06:46.54 | Throat | gigo, no, but one could use blowfish |
| 06:47.06 | troubled | or is that just ftp-ssl support I wonder |
| 06:47.16 | phorce1 | cybane: It's about time. transporter 2 was what, 2005? |
| 06:47.32 | zinx | troubled: like i said, it just runs rsync on the remote machine - if you can do 'ssh foo.bar.baz echo hi', and the remote machine has /usr/bin/rsync, then you can use rsync most likely |
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| 06:47.45 | zinx | troubled: talks with itself on the remote machine :) |
| 06:47.58 | troubled | ya, seems sftp-server subsystem is just for sftp |
| 06:48.11 | troubled | so its just using stdin/out |
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| 06:49.22 | Throat | but all that stuff seems a bit half-brewed |
| 06:52.04 | troubled | Throat: as in CutMeOwn? |
| 06:52.15 | enouf | phorce1: iced coffee ftw sometimes, but i admit, i do nuke to reheat :-) |
| 06:52.25 | Throat | troubled, yeah, but I'm already here... |
| 06:52.36 | enouf | Deep |
| 06:52.36 | Throat | kicks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 06:52.40 | troubled | Throat: i see that. diff computer one would assume |
| 06:52.51 | Throat | yeah |
| 06:53.00 | Throat | uni<->home |
| 06:53.11 | troubled | Throat: going by user id of "k", im gathering it was lazy quick account :) |
| 06:53.16 | troubled | north western? |
| 06:53.34 | troubled | heh, CutMeOwnThroat must be your pr0n account? ;) |
| 06:53.39 | Throat | troubled, well... I started using "k" ever since I set up my own machines |
| 06:53.47 | troubled | i see that |
| 06:53.48 | Throat | saves time on login :-P |
| 06:54.05 | Throat | (more time for typing the long and complicated password) |
| 06:54.08 | troubled | :) |
| 06:54.23 | Throat | also, consider doing it yourself |
| 06:54.37 | Throat | I set up the mailserver for the group on my previous university |
| 06:54.42 | troubled | i dont logout so much as just lock the sessions |
| 06:55.25 | Throat | and when everyone got spam mails from some... dunno outlook-worm or something which had a mail addressed to all of us, my k@maildomain address was the only one which didn't get spam |
| 06:55.47 | Throat | probably k@domain was considered unlikely to be a real address by the worm :) |
| 06:55.57 | troubled | ha |
| 06:56.02 | troubled | good tactic |
| 06:56.36 | Throat | i had never thought of it, though, before it actually happened |
| 06:56.51 | Throat | hehe |
| 06:57.29 | Throat | my boss saw the "k" as username with some astoinshment and suddenly wanted "cr" instead of the longer login he had before |
| 06:57.50 | troubled | heh |
| 06:57.56 | troubled | I bet you must love MIB :) |
| 06:58.06 | phorce1 | adb: done |
| 06:58.11 | Throat | why that? |
| 06:58.13 | adb | phorce1: pls note the root passwd for xkiosk is "qq" |
| 06:58.18 | troubled | Throat: agent k |
| 06:58.23 | Throat | mmmm... |
| 06:59.03 | phorce1 | adb hosted at http://texasvolksbus.org/debirf-xkiosk.iso |
| 06:59.21 | d-b | Throat: "ceo" |
| 06:59.30 | d-b | nar can't be real |
| 06:59.35 | adb | ok tks, phorce1 |
| 06:59.39 | phorce1 | hmmm -- maybe I should wrap the .iso in a tar with a note aboutthe password |
| 06:59.40 | troubled | d-b: i would imagine that address is spammed regularly though |
| 06:59.45 | enouf | adb: hrm .. all the makings of a truly awesome pr0n surfer? |
| 07:00.11 | adb | no enouf |
| 07:00.13 | Throat | d-b, whatchamean? |
| 07:00.16 | enouf | drats |
| 07:00.55 | d-b | Throat: it would not be wise to use ceo for the real ceo. |
| 07:01.05 | d-b | unless it was checked first... |
| 07:01.57 | Throat | chief-executive officer? |
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| 07:03.47 | adb | brb |
| 07:04.26 | phorce1 | adb now at http://texasvolksbus.org/debirf-xkiosk.tar.bz2 with a text file about root pwd added |
| 07:04.32 | phorce1 | oops, he's gone |
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| 07:05.06 | qq | phorce1: i'm here , ok |
| 07:06.08 | phorce1 | For anyone else interested the above link points to a burnable .iso that will load a fully functional Debian with X and IceWeasel into RAM. No HD required |
| 07:06.25 | phorce1 | qq: It's lenny, isn't it? |
| 07:07.30 | qq | sid 2.6.26-1-686 need about 360 MB ram |
| 07:08.07 | phorce1 | qq: I've slept since I read through the Wiki so I forgot which Deb version |
| 07:09.10 | qq | is a custom with sid |
| 07:10.04 | enouf | slicer_: were you the kid with the VIa motherboard issues and 2 onboard controller attached SATA disks (sata_via) not being seen by the kernel or udev? |
| 07:10.17 | qq | as X has only iceweasel , nothing else |
| 07:10.24 | enouf | waves at qq :-) |
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| 07:11.14 | qq | waves at enouf ;) |
| 07:11.25 | enouf | qq: why can |
| 07:11.38 | enouf | qq: why can't i use that for pron surfing? |
| 07:11.53 | Skapare | what's the debian command to rebuild the rc script symlinks for a service? |
| 07:11.57 | qq | has no flash ... |
| 07:12.03 | enouf | !update-rc.d |
| 07:12.04 | dpkg | i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 07:12.21 | Skapare | thanks |
| 07:12.40 | enouf | qq: ahh .. right .. hrm, how hard to get flashcrapoopshit into it? |
| 07:12.57 | qq | enought .. |
| 07:12.58 | Throat | enouf, haha, I'm not the only one hitting return instead of ', apparently :) |
| 07:13.15 | phorce1 | qq: when I get moved to the new building I'll have time to play with customizing a build. Probably stick a computer out front with lots of RAM and IceWeasel plus some of OpenOffice connected to our printers for public use. If they want to save data they can bring in their own USB stick (or buy one from me). ;-) |
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| 07:13.21 | enouf | all the time i do it Throat |
| 07:14.05 | qq | phorce1: i see ... |
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| 07:15.31 | phorce1 | qq: free use of the computer, pay for printing type of deal. Install Oo writer and calc only |
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| 07:16.18 | qq | phorce1: i see ;) |
| 07:16.32 | enouf | dammit! who was the kid with the VIA motherboard issues? 2 onboard controller attached SATA disks (sata_via) not being seen by the kernel or udev? |
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| 07:17.04 | enouf | somebody with an s.... |
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| 07:18.57 | enouf | haha, it's going to take an hour to get this thing? |
| 07:19.43 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.13 | enouf | whoa .. wait, i'm over 100K/sec now .. |
| 07:21.31 | adb | phorce1: for this things a livecd might be ok too , or something else , not sure for now |
| 07:21.39 | enouf | crap .. i'm out of blank CDs, but i got plenty of DVDs ... lmao |
| 07:21.51 | enouf | wait .. hrm .. maybe a CDRW ;-) |
| 07:22.19 | GhostlyDeath | that's a good idea |
| 07:22.24 | GhostlyDeath | burn debian to a CDRW, install from that |
| 07:22.28 | adb | enouf: don't forget >>> this is T1 :) |
| 07:22.29 | GhostlyDeath | do the next disc |
| 07:22.34 | enouf | adb: you work for the NSA, right? :-P |
| 07:22.44 | GhostlyDeath | adb does |
| 07:22.51 | GhostlyDeath | he tells me all his UFO Stories |
| 07:22.53 | adb | NSA ? nooo |
| 07:23.01 | GhostlyDeath | He's denying it! |
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| 07:23.06 | enouf | it's a livecd you weenie |
| 07:23.18 | GhostlyDeath | I am not a weenie |
| 07:23.20 | GhostlyDeath | I am a human being |
| 07:23.31 | adb | i dream |
| 07:23.44 | adb | a* dream |
| 07:23.44 | enouf | ok, well, stop saying things weenies say :-) |
| 07:25.18 | troubled | hehe |
| 07:25.31 | troubled | weenie is my new favorite word methinks |
| 07:25.49 | enouf | whoa .. i hit over 140K/s there ... but i do want to publically thank phorce1 once again for hosting |
| 07:26.08 | troubled | should have made a torrent out of it |
| 07:26.19 | troubled | then we could all help out! :) |
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| 07:28.58 | adb | global village a.k.a net |
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| 07:29.35 | enouf | we're getting there .. slowly ;-) |
| 07:29.37 | enouf | 45% [=================================> ] 64,311,148 111.67K/s ETA 13:42 |
| 07:31.02 | Throat | a lot of effort just to see some porn, eh? |
| 07:31.43 | troubled | im impressed that he went through the effort to make an iso out of it :) |
| 07:31.53 | Throat | mmm |
| 07:32.02 | Throat | porn distributed as iso images |
| 07:32.40 | troubled | and bootable! lol |
| 07:32.48 | Throat | hehe |
| 07:33.05 | Throat | boot up your wiener |
| 07:33.23 | adb | !win troubled |
| 07:33.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, troubled! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 07:34.45 | enouf | Throat: it's actually for a windows user i know, and i'm tired of cleaing their spyware/malware/worms/trojans/virii |
| 07:35.07 | GhostlyDeath | !win adb |
| 07:35.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, adb! You have won the US presidency! |
| 07:35.16 | GhostlyDeath | Lower my taxes! |
| 07:35.27 | Throat | pay me a house! |
| 07:35.30 | adb | done GhostlyDeath |
| 07:35.37 | GhostlyDeath | yay |
| 07:35.37 | enouf | Throat: and because Dell sucks such large smelly hairy ass, other LiveCDs need custom boot lines just to boot correctly |
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| 07:35.47 | GhostlyDeath | Throat: you have to work for that house |
| 07:36.56 | Throat | GhostlyDeath, I thought I buy a house, immediately take a mortage on it, then go to vacation from the spare money I get out of this.... and then the value of the house drops and the US government pays the difference between 90% of current value and what I paid? |
| 07:37.12 | enouf | heh; "the other night i was approached by a lady of the evening, she said; for 50$ i'll do whatever you want .. so i handed her a paint brush and said paint my house" :-) |
| 07:37.25 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: did she do it? |
| 07:37.52 | adb | ones payed , banks will brings your house |
| 07:37.57 | Throat | pft, much worse, this evening, I realized how much of a nerd I have become |
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| 07:38.08 | GhostlyDeath | Throat: nerd level? |
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| 07:38.35 | enouf | deems Throat a "5 pocketprotectors" |
| 07:38.40 | GhostlyDeath | |I just use Linux-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I speak in /dev/!| |
| 07:40.09 | Throat | just saw a cute girl with red horns and a red tail on the street this evening (it being Halloween and all) |
| 07:40.21 | Throat | all I could think was 'not running windows either, eh?' |
| 07:40.22 | enouf | adb: yo - where's my md5sum file yo |
| 07:40.23 | slicer_ | quit |
| 07:40.27 | enouf | ? |
| 07:40.40 | adb | enouf: i dunno |
| 07:40.53 | troubled | enouf: thats when you take her to court and watch her squirm while she tries to explain to the judge why she didnt honour your verbal contract, and paint your house :) |
| 07:41.09 | enouf | heh |
| 07:41.17 | enouf | 2x |
| 07:43.13 | Throat | that would only work in the US, though... and there neither, because prostitution is illegal (nearly everywhere, that is) |
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| 07:52.36 | slicer_ | hello, i am trying to get DRI working, but i have a question should drm be compiled statically into kernel or a module? |
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| 07:54.46 | adb | locate libdri.so |
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| 07:55.56 | slicer_ | adb: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.so |
| 07:56.10 | adb | voila |
| 07:57.36 | slicer_ | still no acceleration, i think they stoped development of this card. it's a savage 8. |
| 07:58.03 | slicer_ | it's onboard aswell a laptop, so i am stuck |
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| 08:02.37 | EmleyMoor | I used the eject command on my DVD-ROM drive but something seems to be accessing it preventing that happening - how do I determine what? |
| 08:03.10 | Throat | youve seen that page, i guess |
| 08:03.15 | Throat | !savage |
| 08:03.16 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html, or if it locks up when 3d is enabled, try Option "DmaMode" "Vertex" in the Device section of xorg.conf |
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| 08:03.42 | slicer_ | Throat: yeah i been all the way through it, my card isn't supported :( |
| 08:04.33 | EmleyMoor | Also, flexbackup is getting permission denied when it tries to ssh into other systems but only if it is run from a crontab. How do I resolve this? (assume all Debian because they mostly are) |
| 08:04.35 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:04.53 | Throat | so whats the vendor id for you? |
| 08:05.02 | hyper_ch | hi there, what would be a suitable, reliable harddisk that runs 24/7 on a server in a small office? basically running server non-stop but not having much pressure on it while it runs? anyone got some pointers? |
| 08:05.09 | slicer_ | i am using sarge, i could upgrae to etch but no point. i would have Direct. but it would software emulation.just as bad as no direct rendering |
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| 08:05.54 | Throat | hyper_ch, a mirroring raid? |
| 08:05.57 | slicer_ | Throat: 5333:8d04 |
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| 08:06.46 | adb | dri on sarge ? hmmm |
| 08:06.54 | Throat | slicer_, the page from dpkg sais: So, here's the new rule. My driver supports every chip with "Savage" in the name that has a PCI vendor ID of 5333 |
| 08:07.00 | hyper_ch | Throat: well, this far, they just use a normal workstation and I've given imput that a dedicated server would have better performance... however I just know that "normal" harddisks are not made for non-stop usage... |
| 08:07.22 | slicer_ | Throat: i tried it before, it is'nt supported or i am doing something wrong |
| 08:07.58 | slicer_ | it's software rendering anyways which is shite |
| 08:08.27 | slicer_ | yeah i tried it but it sucked |
| 08:08.43 | Throat | hyper_ch, we've just used normal hd's ... they dont do worse than with switching them off over night, I'd think... also I've seen a *lot* of desktops running 24/7 |
| 08:09.31 | Throat | hyper_ch, the major problem is, that over the last years *all* hd vendors have at some time sold disks that fail within a year or less.. |
| 08:09.46 | slicer_ | i'm running the 2.6.26-686 kernel so its the latest driver, |
| 08:10.01 | adb | on sarge ? |
| 08:10.06 | slicer_ | yeah |
| 08:10.13 | adb | hehe |
| 08:10.18 | hyper_ch | Throat: well, one of the reason is, that I intend to fully encrypt the system... and there should only be 2 people that have a password to access it... so it sort of requires 24/7 running |
| 08:10.21 | jelly-home | slicer_: and backported libgl1-mesa-dri and xorg? |
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| 08:10.36 | slicer_ | jelly-home: no? |
| 08:11.00 | adb | slicer_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:11.15 | jelly-home | slicer_: then you'll have mismatched versions of kernel and userspace bits, with unknown consequences |
| 08:11.27 | slicer_ | 3.1 |
| 08:11.36 | slicer_ | lol |
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| 08:12.57 | slicer_ | X Window System Version 6.9.0 |
| 08:13.08 | extor | The new iceweasel seems to have screwed up my google maps. I can't see the "street view" it just shows up blank |
| 08:13.15 | adb | sarge is still supported ? |
| 08:13.21 | jelly-home | adb: no |
| 08:13.22 | slicer_ | no |
| 08:13.27 | adb | so ... |
| 08:13.31 | slicer_ | backports is still running |
| 08:13.33 | hyper_ch | Throat: I just checked what is run on my server that I rent: SAMSUNG HD403LJ (SCSI) |
| 08:13.36 | jelly-home | slicer_: nope |
| 08:13.52 | slicer_ | sarge-backports is workin |
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| 08:14.03 | jelly-home | sarge-backports have stopped updating a few months ago |
| 08:14.08 | slicer_ | security updates have gone |
| 08:14.19 | EmleyMoor | Working but not maintained |
| 08:14.30 | slicer_ | this chips from 2005, surely it should be working by now? |
| 08:14.52 | jelly-home | with 2004 software? |
| 08:15.27 | slicer_ | yeah so what my wireless is up, and thats a new dingle. philips |
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| 08:16.21 | adb | !sarge->etch |
| 08:16.29 | jelly-home | so, have fun. |
| 08:16.32 | slicer_ | nah, it'll kill my system |
| 08:16.48 | hyper_ch | Throat: or would smartmontools notify you before the harddisks become bad? |
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| 08:17.14 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: for some types of problems, yes |
| 08:17.31 | saft | is debian the most stable distro? i can run gnome or kde on debian right? so what is ubuntu, a collection of packages on top of debian? |
| 08:17.38 | slicer_ | if i dont have direct i dont see the point, i dont have the cpu power for software rendering |
| 08:17.45 | hyper_ch | jelly-home: or is there another way to check the state of the harddisk? |
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| 08:18.38 | Throat | hyper_ch, dunno - but independent of that, you often get a kind of grace period with errors, but most of the data still intact... |
| 08:18.56 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: SMART is useful, but doesn't catch all errors; the disks can and do often die without it making notice until it's too late; still it's better than nothing |
| 08:19.02 | slicer_ | this is why i am running sarge, coz etch makes things run worse |
| 08:19.09 | EmleyMoor | Why would I get permission denied from remote machines when flexbackup tries to ssh into them when run from a crontab but not from a shell (as root in both cases) |
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| 08:19.31 | Throat | saft, different release-policy, different packages |
| 08:19.58 | hyper_ch | Throat: jelly-home: thx... there are regular backups on an external usb drive (I'll setup a daily cron) and have smart run once a week and mail the results... I guess that will not be a bad solution, right? |
| 08:20.20 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: if you need better reliability than what a single disk can offer, use eg. mirroring (raid1) |
| 08:20.50 | Throat | hyper_ch, and it's only doubling the hd-price :) |
| 08:20.53 | saft | do all packages use the same kernel? there is only one kernel? |
| 08:21.06 | hyper_ch | jelly-home: I don't think that computer has a raid controller... and does that mirroring also work with encrypted drives? (I have no experience myself with raid) |
| 08:21.51 | Throat | hyper_ch, software-raid... |
| 08:22.11 | Throat | hyper_ch, and I've never done this, but it should work together |
| 08:22.15 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: linux has software raid. you can encrypt partitions on top of that; and can also promote standard partitions to md raid1 |
| 08:22.34 | Throat | but ... you're making stuff rather complicated in the setup, I guess |
| 08:22.43 | jelly-home | orly! |
| 08:22.48 | hyper_ch | Throat: why complicated? |
| 08:22.54 | slicer_ | maybe i could install lenny? would that be alright this laptop is like 3 years old |
| 08:23.05 | slicer_ | i have lenny on an amd64 |
| 08:23.26 | jelly-home | has lenny on a 2005 thinkpad |
| 08:23.45 | slicer_ | jelly-home: what cpu? |
| 08:23.54 | Throat | hyper_ch, raid needs to be assembled on each bootup - if you boot from it, you need to load the modules in initrd, encrypted fs also doesn't make the boot process simpler |
| 08:24.07 | hyper_ch | jelly-home: thx for the input... I'll have a look at it... |
| 08:24.12 | EmleyMoor | slicer: I am currently using lenny on all my systems |
| 08:24.16 | Throat | dunno, I just think it _might_ be difficult to get it all a 100% right |
| 08:24.36 | EmleyMoor | Most will stay there but one will tract squeeze |
| 08:24.46 | EmleyMoor | track, .v.n |
| 08:24.51 | slicer_ | i'll install lenny on another partiton |
| 08:24.51 | EmleyMoor | even |
| 08:24.51 | hyper_ch | Throat: I'l create a different initrd anyway because I need an early boot up ssh daemon for remote unlocking of the encrypted drives |
| 08:25.09 | jelly-home | slicer_: cpu family: 6 model: 13 stepping: 8 model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz |
| 08:26.00 | Throat | specially encrypting fs's scares me |
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| 08:26.10 | EmleyMoor | I have one amd64, my other systems are all i386 |
| 08:26.11 | Throat | if you get only a slight corruption, you're borked |
| 08:26.21 | slicer_ | mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 2600+ cpu family 6 cpu Mhz 1990.296 |
| 08:26.35 | slicer_ | So mine's alittle faster |
| 08:26.42 | jelly-home | I doubt it. |
| 08:26.54 | jelly-home | MHz are irrelevant |
| 08:26.59 | Throat | hyper_ch, so your "grace period" is probably drastically reduced with encryption if a disk fails |
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| 08:27.24 | jelly-home | Throat: s/if/when/ |
| 08:27.35 | hyper_ch | Throat: hmmm, thx for the pointer |
| 08:27.45 | hyper_ch | Throat: I guess you're german speaking? |
| 08:27.56 | Throat | yes, why? |
| 08:27.59 | slicer_ | jelly-home: yeah i noticed that when i switched a P4 2.0 for a P4 1.5 |
| 08:28.07 | hyper_ch | Throat: typical error... if/when --> wenn |
| 08:28.29 | Throat | eh? |
| 08:28.30 | hyper_ch | Throat: (at least happens to me also all the time) |
| 08:28.30 | slicer_ | the 1.5 had a higher voltage so i did the math |
| 08:28.31 | Throat | I meant if |
| 08:28.59 | Throat | jelly just wanted to point out that every disk fails sometimes |
| 08:29.04 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: I didn't point out an error, but rather made a different statement |
| 08:29.08 | jelly-home | right |
| 08:29.12 | slicer_ | i like the old riggs :) |
| 08:29.23 | hyper_ch | jelly-home: ok :) |
| 08:30.10 | slicer_ | i got a P4 with a nvidia in the out house, i think i'll rigg that up later and run compiz |
| 08:30.36 | Throat | but I have lots of old disks (e.g. 100MB, 200MB, 500MB) which had survived the usefulness of their systems |
| 08:30.48 | Throat | and now have also survived their own usefulness... |
| 08:30.57 | Throat | so I refute the claim for "when" |
| 08:31.03 | mazzanet | hmm i have an interesting one |
| 08:31.08 | hyper_ch | Throat: jelly-home: thx for allt he help and input... I'm off now switching the system :) |
| 08:31.15 | mazzanet | i want to blacklist a kernel module |
| 08:31.20 | mazzanet | but only for a specific device |
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| 08:31.59 | Throat | kernel modules aren't per device |
| 08:32.21 | jelly-home | but are per pciid or usbid |
| 08:32.38 | Throat | well, mostly they are, as only one device/system is often using it |
| 08:32.46 | mazzanet | well ok |
| 08:33.08 | Throat | but you wouldn't load a 2nd copy of the module for a 2nd device |
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| 08:33.34 | mazzanet | let's say i have a usb device that does some funky multiplexing |
| 08:33.46 | mazzanet | and 'provides' both usbserial and usb-storage |
| 08:34.20 | mazzanet | i want to prevent the usb-storage side from happening |
| 08:34.53 | Throat | but there'S another usb where you don't want to prevent it? |
| 08:35.03 | mazzanet | correct |
| 08:35.11 | Throat | hm |
| 08:35.17 | Throat | I think I did something similar once |
| 08:35.23 | mazzanet | ie. i want to the prevent usb-storage loading for a specific usbid |
| 08:35.27 | Throat | check for options to the kernel module |
| 08:35.52 | jelly-home | doesn't know and suggests ##kernel |
| 08:36.27 | Throat | I think it was possible to tell the kernel module what devices to serve/not to serve |
| 08:36.27 | mazzanet | mmm |
| 08:36.30 | mazzanet | thanks anyway |
| 08:37.02 | Throat | was a similar situation with usb |
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| 08:37.24 | jelly-home | it sounds googlable |
| 08:38.30 | mazzanet | i can manually unbind it |
| 08:38.47 | mazzanet | by using /sys/usb/drivers/usb-storage/unbind |
| 08:38.55 | mazzanet | which i guess is a start |
| 08:39.27 | jelly-home | yeah, but you'd have to make an udev rule to do it every time the device is plugged |
| 08:39.40 | jelly-home | and it's ugly! |
| 08:39.48 | mazzanet | yep :P{ |
| 08:40.05 | Throat | I guess you will be able to add options something to /etc/modules.conf (well, /etc/modutils/*) |
| 08:40.05 | slicer_ | which should i get the daily biult image? or the lennybeta |
| 08:40.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.41 | slicer_ | ty |
| 08:40.48 | adb | np |
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| 08:41.17 | Throat | mazzanet, also, if you can do the unbind, you could add a post-install stanza |
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| 08:42.58 | jelly-home | not the correct time to do it, as usb-storage might be modprobed for some other device |
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| 08:42.59 | Throat | mazzanet, that should workd something like post-install yourmodule do_whatever_with /sys/usb/drivers/usb-storage/unbind in /etc/modutils/mess_with_usb |
| 08:43.32 | Throat | the do_whatever would check for that? |
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| 08:44.08 | mazzanet | the do_whatever is simply just echoing the usbid to unbind |
| 08:44.12 | Throat | seems to me like exactly the moment you want to do that :) |
| 08:44.14 | mazzanet | so yeah i guess that'd work quite well |
| 08:44.33 | jelly-home | it can't check anything if the driver was loaded a day before you plugged in the relevant device |
| 08:44.45 | jelly-home | udev. |
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| 08:45.02 | mazzanet | ooh valid point |
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| 08:53.33 | slicer_ | what would be best todo if installing lenny on a second partition, remove the bootable flag, not install grub to mbr or hda, and just use the grub i already got. or would you install grub to mbr? |
| 08:53.59 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 08:54.10 | mazzanet | i can't find a "do nothing" for udev :/ |
| 08:54.33 | mazzanet | no wait |
| 08:54.38 | mazzanet | i'm misunderstanding myself |
| 08:54.40 | mazzanet | don't mind me. |
| 08:54.43 | slicer_ | i suppose either would do |
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| 08:55.32 | EmleyMoor | Newer grub is what I'd suggest but don't take that as gospel |
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| 08:55.58 | Throat | eh? |
| 08:56.08 | slicer_ | maybe i could remove boot flag on sarge, and install new grub to hda1, coz sarge is on hda2 |
| 08:56.41 | EmleyMoor | Got anything other than Debian there? |
| 08:56.52 | EmleyMoor | I tend to go mbr |
| 08:56.57 | slicer_ | i got the supergrub disk |
| 08:57.08 | slicer_ | somewhere |
| 08:58.05 | Throat | just install to mbr |
| 08:58.25 | Throat | doesn't really matter, does it? |
| 08:58.28 | slicer_ | ok, and should i remove the boot flag on hda2 |
| 08:58.54 | Throat | if you install to mbr, boot-flag becomes irrelevant, as grub chooses |
| 08:59.10 | slicer_ | oh |
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| 08:59.41 | Throat | the only thing the boot-flag does is to determine the boot-sector of which partition is read in by the normal dos/windows/whatever mbr |
| 08:59.54 | EmleyMoor | grub might even detect sarge for you too |
| 08:59.54 | Throat | and whichever you do, it doesn't really matter |
| 09:00.17 | Throat | except of course in the rare case where one works and the other doesn't boot for you :) |
| 09:00.30 | Throat | .... which should just make the choice obvious |
| 09:01.05 | slicer_ | they're on the same disk, anyways but hda1 got windows on it |
| 09:01.22 | slicer_ | i'll do mbr |
| 09:01.44 | slicer_ | and remove the boot flsg just in case have lenny as boot flag |
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| 09:04.04 | masus | hi all does anone know how to capture tcp80 port with tcp dump i need the mac address time and host. Thanks all |
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| 09:12.43 | Throat | !dual boot guide |
| 09:12.43 | dpkg | A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems. |
| 09:13.04 | Throat | slicer_, ^^ |
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| 09:16.23 | Throat | "man tcpdump" does... and I would if I would read up on it |
| 09:16.34 | Throat | which I won't because it's 4 am and I'm tired |
| 09:16.54 | Throat | nite |
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| 09:21.21 | loXx | i want to remove the "single user mode" option from the grub start-menu. if i comment the lines in menu.lst, it works until the next kernel updata. can i prevent a kernel updata from restoring /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 09:21.41 | loXx | updata = update :) |
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| 09:23.48 | nocte | anyway you do not do a kernel update each week ? just update your menu.lst manually when you'll update the kernel |
| 09:23.57 | nocte | *do not make |
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| 09:27.13 | loXx | that is what i actually do. i just thought of something more automatic. |
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| 09:31.51 | mhymn | you can also install grub on different system and partition, no grub on your existing system to be modified! |
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| 09:42.36 | xingu | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=122531008602151&w=2 <-- ouch. |
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| 09:44.06 | zxxd | hi |
| 09:44.30 | woden1 | Can anyone tell me the red, green, blue numbers for the default debian blue background solid color? |
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| 09:45.36 | zxxd | why xen in etch dosen't have xbd kernel modules? |
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| 09:48.51 | woden1 | Do I have voice? |
| 09:49.33 | simonrvn | no |
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| 09:51.06 | woden1 | What are the red, green, blue numbers for the default debian solid color background? |
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| 09:54.19 | simonrvn | um, in what? |
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| 09:56.18 | woden1 | simonrvn: System --> Preferences --> Appearance, select Background tab. |
| 09:56.32 | woden1 | Select "Solid Color" from the menu |
| 09:56.39 | woden1 | and click on the color box to the right |
| 09:56.58 | woden1 | What are the R:G:B color numbers for the default Debian solid color? |
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| 09:59.52 | jogla | How can i search in the list of installed packages? |
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| 10:01.13 | simonrvn | woden1: i used to have that somewhere... you could always log out, mv your ~/.gnomewhatever out of the way then check |
| 10:01.24 | mhymn | jogla: 'apt-cache search ...' or 'aptitude search ...' |
| 10:01.27 | simonrvn | jogla: to do what? |
| 10:01.35 | mhymn | oh |
| 10:01.38 | mhymn | installed |
| 10:01.59 | jogla | simonrvn: Do to apt-cache search, but only include installed packages |
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| 10:02.48 | mhymn | jogla: dpkg --get-selections | grep ... ? |
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| 10:03.26 | simonrvn | aptitude search ... |
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| 10:04.14 | jogla | looks both good |
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| 10:09.09 | Multiply | I still didn't find out why my server keeps freezing for like 10 seconds, even on not so heavy loads. |
| 10:09.27 | Multiply | Is there a way to see if it's the hardware, or the software which is causing it? |
| 10:09.57 | Multiply | I can't issue any commands in the ssh console, while it's doing it. Plus htop is not updating while it's hanging |
| 10:11.59 | gothenburg | 11:11 |
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| 10:13.19 | woden1 | Can anyone tell me what the R:G:B is for the solid color background on Debian? |
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| 10:13.36 | Multiply | Take a screenshot, and I shall tell. :P |
| 10:14.33 | woden1 | Multiply: No I mean I changed mine and I can't get it back. |
| 10:14.47 | Multiply | Oh. Then I don't know it, sorry. |
| 10:14.56 | woden1 | Multiply: You running Debian? |
| 10:15.07 | Multiply | At some servers, yes. |
| 10:15.10 | woden1 | System --> Preferences --> Appearance, click Background |
| 10:15.22 | Multiply | I've only got a console, mate. :P |
| 10:15.25 | woden1 | ok |
| 10:15.34 | Multiply | Which is white on black, if interested. |
| 10:15.45 | jelly-home | woden1: um, _any_ rgb value is a single (therefore) solid color |
| 10:16.24 | Multiply | jelly-home, I don't know if Debian supports it, but he could have a RGB-RGB which is a gradient. |
| 10:16.28 | woden1 | jelly-home: okay, I understand. Thanks for the correction. |
| 10:16.32 | jelly-home | oh ... /me gets it |
| 10:16.49 | woden1 | No I just want the single RGB, no gradients. |
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| 10:17.11 | jelly-home | woden1: you asked for the particular color of the default (debian stable, gnome) background? |
| 10:17.20 | woden1 | yes |
| 10:17.22 | Multiply | If you can find me a screenshot somewhere, I can easily find the RGB for you. |
| 10:17.46 | woden1 | jelly-home: Not the default background. The default "solid color". |
| 10:18.09 | jelly-home | yeah, still can't help ya |
| 10:18.23 | woden1 | alrighty |
| 10:18.31 | jelly-home | this machine was installed in 2001 or so |
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| 10:19.29 | jelly-home | s/machine/debian/; hardware changed 3-4 times since |
| 10:20.30 | mhymn | Multiply: mind if i ask you a question? |
| 10:20.38 | Multiply | mhymn, of course. o.o |
| 10:20.54 | Multiply | I mean.. no |
| 10:20.56 | Multiply | Just ask. >__<' |
| 10:21.03 | mhymn | Multiply: how can you find the RGB of a picture from console? |
| 10:21.15 | Multiply | Using a program? :P |
| 10:21.24 | Multiply | Who says my client PC runs console? |
| 10:21.25 | mhymn | what? |
| 10:21.32 | mhymn | oh |
| 10:21.37 | mhymn | OK, thanks |
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| 10:21.52 | Multiply | But you can use a program to find the most used RGB in a picture anyway. |
| 10:22.20 | mhymn | probably sth in imagemagic pack! |
| 10:22.31 | Multiply | I use PHP for that, lol. |
| 10:22.40 | mhymn | heh |
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| 10:22.46 | Multiply | GD2 libs. :D |
| 10:22.52 | mhymn | i see |
| 10:23.51 | Multiply | Mhmm. Egg and beacon |
| 10:25.00 | AcTiVaTe | just uses Colorzilla addon for Firefox to get color numbers |
| 10:25.21 | Multiply | I used Color Pick. |
| 10:25.24 | Multiply | use* |
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| 10:30.35 | Schuindt | Hello |
| 10:30.59 | Schuindt | How I do to make the Thunar default file brownser of system? |
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| 10:32.06 | lark | hi |
| 10:32.22 | lark | is there chinese? |
| 10:33.18 | lark | hi |
| 10:33.27 | lark | everybody |
| 10:34.09 | mhymn | Schuindt: ask #gnome, although i know you are using debian but asking there is better in this case ;) |
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| 10:35.19 | mhymn | lark: #debian-cn ? |
| 10:36.18 | lark | i live in china |
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| 10:37.00 | epsmith | morning. I cannot get a debian client to authenticate against my ldap server. any help out here. All ubuntu clients can authenticate because they are using /etc/ldap.conf. the debian clients don't get a ldap.conf file after installing libpam_ldap and libnssldap. can someone help me out here |
| 10:37.27 | epsmith | damit. |
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| 10:38.31 | et | debian has /etc/ldap/ldap.conf in libldap |
| 10:38.52 | sphenxes | I have connected my extern USB hard drive. with fdisk, it is mounted under /dev/sda1 adn /dev/sda2. I am using debian (newbie). Now I would like to backup some files to my extern hard drive but i don't know where they are mounted? how can I know where is the mount point of my usb hard drive? |
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| 10:39.07 | epsmith | after installing libpam-ldap and libnssldap, i don't have a ldap.conf residing in /etc on debian clients. my ubutu have this and can easily authenticate against the ldap server. what gives here |
| 10:39.36 | et | epsmith: see above |
| 10:41.05 | epsmith | et: so how do I get the debian client to authenticate against ldap like the ubuntu clients can |
| 10:42.01 | et | how should i know? |
| 10:42.07 | et | i don't use ubuntu. |
| 10:43.08 | epsmith | when ubuntu clients have libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap installed they don't create seperate conf files. the only conf file that is created is /etc/ldap.conf |
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| 10:44.21 | epsmith | I have a need to figure out the debian clients since our company does not want to use branded ubuntu. we want to use strictly debian on our clients. |
| 10:45.20 | jelly-home | epsmith: and editing /etc/ldap/ldap.conf doesn't help? |
| 10:45.30 | epsmith | does anyone know of a document that can explain the differences between ubuntu's libpam-ldap and libnssldap and debians? |
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| 10:45.56 | epsmith | jelly-home. nope. |
| 10:47.06 | jelly-home | epsmith: what about /etc/pam_ldap.conf? |
| 10:47.28 | jelly-home | epsmith: or /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/README.Debian |
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| 10:49.09 | epsmith | jelly_home: yes I have modified pam_ldap.conf . it appears to be exactly the same as the ubuntu clients ldap.conf but after modification I still cannot authenticate against the ldap server |
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| 10:49.43 | jelly-home | no idea then; where does pam_ldap log errors? |
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| 10:51.20 | jelly-home | (also, we're assuming your modifications to relevant /etc/pam.d/ files are correct) |
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| 10:52.50 | epsmith | jelly-home: of course they are correct... lol. no really I don't know if they are, but what i did was make them exactly the same as what the ubuntu clients ldap.conf is |
| 10:54.06 | jogla | I have kde; how can i change the theme that gtk applications use? |
| 10:54.13 | jelly-home | oh, well then hope someone with actual ldap experience happens by |
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| 10:54.23 | epsmith | I sure wish there was some documentation of why Ubuntu and debian are different with respect to libpam_ldap and libnssldap |
| 10:54.49 | jelly-home | epsmith: you'll have to ask ubuntu's maintainer about that |
| 10:55.03 | jelly-home | and/or debian's |
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| 10:55.26 | epsmith | jelly-home: I probably will. |
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| 10:56.40 | Hamlet | hi :-) |
| 10:57.24 | Hamlet | why is it that the line 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' doesn't let me configure my graphics card? |
| 10:57.39 | Hamlet | I'm only asked for keyboard and mouse issues |
| 10:57.53 | Hamlet | after that it just finishes |
| 10:58.31 | lark | hi hamlet |
| 10:58.46 | Hamlet | hi lark :-) |
| 10:58.54 | Hamlet | do you have an idea? |
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| 10:59.14 | lark | sorry |
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| 10:59.51 | sladi | Hamlet: maybe try xorg.conf instead of xserver-xorg? |
| 11:00.10 | Hamlet | just a sec... |
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| 11:00.47 | Hamlet | hmm |
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| 11:00.59 | Hamlet | it tells me the 'xorg.conf'-package is not installed |
| 11:01.02 | sladi | Hamlet: other than that, I'd look for options of dpkg-reconf to ask more "expert questions" maybe. |
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| 11:01.24 | sladi | usually I do that part by hand ^^ |
| 11:01.38 | Hamlet | what part? |
| 11:01.41 | Hamlet | the xorg.conf? |
| 11:01.43 | sladi | xorg.conf |
| 11:01.44 | Hamlet | me too |
| 11:01.46 | kunwon1 | xorg.conf is a file, not a package. You can edit it to change settings on your X window system |
| 11:02.12 | Hamlet | but that brought up strange error messages |
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| 11:02.19 | EmleyMoor | Why would I get permission denied from remote machines when flexbackup tries to ssh into them when run from a crontab but not from a shell (as root in both cases) |
| 11:02.22 | kunwon1 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:02.29 | Hamlet | Debian-Server:/home/hagen/Desktop# aticonfig --query-monitor |
| 11:02.32 | Hamlet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.32 | Hamlet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.42 | Hamlet | weird, isn't it? |
| 11:02.57 | kunwon1 | Yeah, but it's ATI, so not entirely unexpected |
| 11:03.01 | Hamlet | would it help if I pastebined my xorg.conf? |
| 11:03.10 | Hamlet | oh well, hmmm |
| 11:03.31 | Hamlet | but shouldn't there be a workaround? |
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| 11:04.22 | sladi | I switched to nvidia after problems in 64bit linux. Nvidia has documented all options of the driver, maybe read atis docs? |
| 11:05.20 | sladi | Hamlet: of course the vesa driver should work I'd guess |
| 11:05.21 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: give the whole error log |
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| 11:05.37 | Hamlet | mesa does |
| 11:06.23 | Hamlet | where's the error log? |
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| 11:06.44 | dennis_p | On a Rage 128 the driver is aty128fb in Lenny PowerPC, kde klikety and kde tetris now are slow after aptitude suggested removing most gnome stuff |
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| 11:06.54 | sladi | Hamlet: /var/log/ |
| 11:07.57 | Hamlet | are you sure you want to read this? |
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| 11:08.41 | dennis_p | should i install something to make bitmap blitting back to normal speed (recently dist-upgraded to lenny) |
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| 11:09.10 | sladi | Hamlet: just pastebin the Xorg.0.log IIRC |
| 11:09.17 | dennis_p | Rage 128 worked fine on Stable |
| 11:09.45 | Hamlet | ok |
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| 11:10.50 | Hamlet | http://pastebin.com/m5c213c8a |
| 11:11.41 | jelly-home | dennis_p: um... aty128fb is the console framebuffer driver; not relevant to xorg |
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| 11:12.49 | dennis_p | oh, just trying to give relevant information. what should i do now |
| 11:13.13 | jelly-home | dennis_p: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:14.14 | slicer_ | just installed lenny, and sarge boots also. systemsalot quieter but the systems slower |
| 11:14.19 | jelly-home | has no idea about ppc, but there might be something obvious in the log or config file; and it's the first thing #xorg will ask you, too |
| 11:14.34 | slicer_ | got DRI |
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| 11:15.22 | sladi | Hamlet: (WW) RADEONHD(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used; maybe it would help. all lines starting with (WW) are warnings, (EE) means error |
| 11:15.34 | slicer_ | plus firestarter is buggy, its keeps quiting :( |
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| 11:17.03 | sladi | Hamlet: but it looks like the program you used earlier to look for monitors is buggy. xorg.log seems fine there |
| 11:17.41 | jelly-home | Hamlet: use xrandr instead of fglrx-specific aticonfig |
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| 11:19.54 | Hamlet | ok, but in Debian there's just the lxrandr package |
| 11:19.59 | Hamlet | is that ok too? |
| 11:20.20 | jelly-home | !find bin/xrandr |
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| 11:20.53 | dennis_p | Thanks jelly here are the config and log http://www.pastebin.cz/11109 http://www.pastebin.cz/11108 |
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| 11:21.59 | Hamlet | ok, lxrandr worked but I bet when I restart I get a black screen again |
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| 11:22.32 | mazzanet | yay |
| 11:22.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xrandr' (1): (/usr/bin/xrandr) in x11/x11-xserver-utils. |
| 11:22.36 | mazzanet | finally made udev play nice |
| 11:23.06 | dennis_p | jelly-home: maybe you can spot the most obvious thing wrong, i can't use binary drivers on pcc as ati don't make them of course |
| 11:23.20 | dennis_p | ppc |
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| 11:24.06 | jelly-home | dennis_p: there are no binary drivers for that old card anyway |
| 11:24.14 | dennis_p | he he |
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| 11:30.35 | Daejeo | guys i got booting trouble any can understand what is it? |
| 11:30.47 | Daejeo | please append a correct "root=" boot optionKernelpanic:VFS:unabletomountrootfson |
| 11:30.52 | Hamlet | what trouble? |
| 11:31.13 | Daejeo | how can i fix it? |
| 11:31.32 | Hamlet | no idea, sorry :-( |
| 11:31.40 | jelly-home | dennis_p: dunno, XAA accel seems to be enabled; there are some warning regarding resource allocation (eg line 651), but I have no idea whether it's normal for that machine. is UseFBDev required? |
| 11:31.42 | Daejeo | :( |
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| 11:32.24 | dennis_p | jelly-home: no clue |
| 11:32.39 | jelly-home | well, try commenting it out |
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| 11:33.35 | dennis_p | oh ah thanks |
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| 11:36.15 | dennis_p | I'll reboot with that, see what it does |
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| 11:37.17 | proxify1 | hello , can I execute perl scripts in partion under noexec ?? |
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| 11:39.51 | jogla | proxify1: Of course, if you can execute the perl interpreter |
| 11:40.31 | k-os | when can we expect oo.org 3 in lenny? |
| 11:41.02 | proxify1 | jogla: mod_perl ?? |
| 11:41.33 | dennis_p | i think lenny is in feature freeze |
| 11:41.36 | xand | Linux lantea 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Thu Oct 9 14:22:52 UTC 2008 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 11:41.38 | jogla | mod_perl is an perl interpreter integrated in apache |
| 11:41.39 | xand | oops |
| 11:41.45 | jogla | proxify1: What do you want to know/do? |
| 11:42.02 | k-os | dennis_p, aha, so no new releases on any programs? just libs and such? |
| 11:42.17 | proxify1 | I would like to prevent execute perl under noexec partition by apache ?? |
| 11:42.23 | abrotman | k-os: nothing as new as that |
| 11:42.27 | dennis_p | just bug fixes untill it can be released as stable |
| 11:42.39 | k-os | is it the same case with sid? |
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| 11:42.50 | abrotman | no, but sid is kind of gelified while lenny is frozen |
| 11:42.56 | dennis_p | no sid is constantly updated |
| 11:43.15 | k-os | so, sid will contain and receive newer prog updates? |
| 11:43.23 | proxify1 | jogla: I would like to prevent execute perl under noexec partition by apache ?? |
| 11:43.27 | dennis_p | yes |
| 11:43.48 | k-os | thank you |
| 11:43.53 | k-os | even oo.org 3? |
| 11:44.13 | dennis_p | stable as ubuntu always new stuff when ready for public use |
| 11:44.17 | abrotman | k-os: i would imagine the OO team is concentrating on lenn at this point |
| 11:44.25 | abrotman | lenny |
| 11:44.38 | k-os | ok, so OO 3 might/will come for lenny? |
| 11:44.43 | abrotman | no it will not |
| 11:44.50 | abrotman | not officially .. maybe later as a backport |
| 11:44.59 | proxify1 | jogla: I would like to prevent execute perl under noexec partition by apache ?? |
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| 11:45.52 | dennis_p | meaning you make an exception in your stable lenny to use a newer version of oo then default |
| 11:46.16 | dennis_p | it's ok to simply use sid at home |
| 11:46.22 | abrotman | k-os: OO3 is already in experimental .. but those packages are of questionable quality and not recommended for normal users |
| 11:46.25 | abrotman | dennis_p: no it is not |
| 11:46.28 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 11:46.29 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 11:46.37 | k-os | i try ti avoid using exp packages/repos... |
| 11:46.39 | k-os | to* |
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| 11:47.28 | dennis_p | well sid is more reliable then say kubuntu but if you want you can use testing |
| 11:48.51 | dennis_p | oo3 will then appear after lenny has been released as stable |
| 11:49.19 | EmleyMoor | I tend to be 1 testing, 3 stable, but have been known, and this time is no exception, to go testing early on in a freeze |
| 11:49.39 | kunwon1 | sid is more reliable than kubuntu? I like debian better, and use debian every day. But that is bullshit :) |
| 11:49.42 | EmleyMoor | oo3 ought to make it into squeeze |
| 11:49.55 | k-os | i'd like to keep lenny and use OO3. they have a oo3.deb on their page, will do the trick |
| 11:50.17 | EmleyMoor | (barring any big problems) |
| 11:50.31 | k-os | EmleyMoor, was that to me? |
| 11:51.03 | EmleyMoor | It was to no-one in particular |
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| 11:53.29 | dennis_p | EmleyMoor: but what about a new kernel in Lenny then it could support the webcams on nettops |
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| 11:54.37 | pettals | hi, is testing - debian lenny |
| 11:54.54 | slicer_ | pettals: yeah |
| 11:55.12 | dennis_p | lenny is now in testing yeah will leter become stable |
| 11:55.18 | dennis_p | later |
| 11:55.34 | pettals | could u tell which gnome is supported there? |
| 11:55.44 | pettals | i mean which version, is it 2.2 |
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| 11:56.46 | k-os | 2.22 |
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| 11:57.08 | pettals | i was actually looking for gnome 2.18 but i guess it's not there in any of the debian distr... etch has 2.14 |
| 11:57.11 | Larcen_ | hi all |
| 11:57.22 | k-os | what is wrong with 2.22? |
| 11:57.55 | pettals | k-os: nothing wrong,. we have done some transaltion related work woith gnome 2.18. infcat we completed 90% of gnome 2.18 |
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| 11:58.14 | pettals | so testing in 2.22 means.. some extra ounce of work |
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| 11:58.56 | k-os | have you translated 2.18 for yourself or the debian team? |
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| 12:00.01 | pettals | we are doing it not directly for debian ... but to promote computer literacy and so any distro may use it |
| 12:00.25 | k-os | i don't know of any distro that has 2.18 by default |
| 12:01.09 | pettals | yes... when we started 2.18 was the highest version and so ... |
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| 12:02.40 | k-os | you've been working slow i guess (: |
| 12:03.15 | pettals | yes, we couldn't work in between for months and then again transaltion is a big tasks :-)... |
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| 12:04.12 | pettals | what about gnome 2.24.. is it there in any of the debian distribution ? |
| 12:05.11 | dennis_p | lucky for that gnome has not undergone any radical change you could sprint to finish |
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| 12:05.51 | k-os | pettals, no |
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| 12:07.00 | DevilChaos | ]/msg dpkg debian key |
| 12:07.07 | dennis_p | you have some time on 2.22 before lenny becomes stable |
| 12:07.21 | pettals | yes |
| 12:07.52 | DevilChaos | !key |
| 12:07.52 | dpkg | from memory, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 12:08.28 | DevilChaos | what is the string for adding the key for the archive please ? |
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| 12:10.43 | Talva | Hi |
| 12:10.58 | DevilChaos | hi |
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| 12:13.04 | Talva | excuse me, i have troubles with z-push, someone can help me please (sorry for my english.., i'm french) |
| 12:13.47 | ldvx | hello! i recently installed debian lenny. do you recommend to stay with this one or switch to stable or unstable? |
| 12:13.57 | dennis_p | pettals: why not join or Debian translation team then your work automatically ends up in for example Ubuntu Free CD as well. Debian is kind of a mother distro. |
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| 12:15.15 | dennis_p | Lenny is a very good choice |
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| 12:18.19 | ldvx | Thanks dennis_p, i'm trying to install the ati propertary drivers on lenny now :) (after a fresh install gdm would just stay with black screen) |
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| 12:21.05 | slicer_ | ldvx: thats why you should use opensource drivers |
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| 12:33.06 | pettals | dennis_p: we are infact doing that . right now we are releasing a beta of the transalted work in a live cd |
| 12:33.19 | mizimax | hi all I hev laptob and LCD monitor how i can output video on LCD monitor from the laptop? |
| 12:33.37 | pettals | we are trying to use morphix for the same but then we would build the main mod from existing hdd |
| 12:34.20 | pettals | and we plan to join the debian mainstream when a bulk of the work is done. Infact, there is an indian language page for debian in indian language wherein our language is not listed |
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| 12:35.40 | ldvx | slicer_: weird, even if i try using the "vesa" driver when gdm starts i just get a black screen. Furthermore, it seems i already have installed the opensource drivers (xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, right?) |
| 12:36.10 | pettals | http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:36.31 | enouf | mizimax: etch? lenny? |
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| 12:37.21 | mizimax | enouf: eth |
| 12:37.36 | mizimax | enouf: *etch |
| 12:37.44 | mizimax | kernel 2.6.26 |
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| 12:38.35 | enouf | mizimax: hrm ... what happens when you plug it in? |
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| 12:41.38 | enouf | mizimax: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, and even your Desktop Env might have some clues - also "/msg dpkg drxx" and "/msg dpkg dual monitors" and what happens might depend on your video card; show people "lspci -nn" output to a pastebin - and note, Lenny's Xorg is newer/different, uses xrandr and such (so i'm not sure where 'xinerama' even plays into all this) |
| 12:42.26 | enouf | !tell mizimax -about dual monitors etch |
| 12:42.58 | mizimax | enouf: I need add LCD monitor on laptop, how ? |
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| 12:43.09 | enouf | plug it in ;-) |
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| 12:45.58 | k-os | what other places than /etc/apt/sources.list is debian fetching repos from? |
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| 12:54.32 | SQlvpapir | Hi I have a problem getting a edimax ep-4101 ethernet pcmcia card to work. I installed only base system, but ifconfig does not show the card, neither do lspci. any suggestions/hints? |
| 12:55.35 | enouf | k-os: er .. /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 12:56.11 | enouf | SQlvpapir: install pcmciautils ? |
| 12:56.25 | k-os | enouf, sorry, it was a stupid question. i had a typo in my sources.list |
| 12:56.35 | enouf | SQlvpapir: but lspci should show it .. run update-pciids |
| 12:56.45 | enouf | k-os: ;-) |
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| 12:57.22 | enouf | SQlvpapir: is it a wired, or wifi card? |
| 12:57.25 | SQlvpapir | enouf: what configuration/commands are required to get it up and ronning? |
| 12:57.31 | enouf | for wifi, install wireless-tools |
| 12:57.31 | SQlvpapir | its a wired 16bit card |
| 12:57.37 | enouf | oh .. |
| 12:57.51 | SQlvpapir | I modprobed the axnet_cs driver |
| 12:58.01 | enouf | well, pcmciautils replaced pcmcia-cs ? was it? |
| 12:58.50 | SQlvpapir | its the weekly lenny build so I am pretty sure its a "clear" install of pcmciautils |
| 12:58.58 | enouf | hrm, how about setting aside ISA resources in the BIOS for it's interrupt and address space? also, see if the pnputils pkg can help - enable PnP in the BIOS |
| 12:59.03 | SQlvpapir | meaning there was never any pcmcia-cs |
| 12:59.26 | enouf | gah .. i'm so brainfarting .. sorry |
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| 12:59.56 | SQlvpapir | is pnputils also needed if I boot with the card inserted? |
| 13:00.07 | enouf | anyway, check dmesg, lsmod and load the needed pcmcia drivers |
| 13:00.18 | enouf | not sure at all about that |
| 13:00.47 | SQlvpapir | ok.. I checked with lsmod and pcmcia and pcmcia_core is up and running |
| 13:00.57 | SQlvpapir | I suspect I need some firmware to get it up and running |
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| 13:02.19 | SQlvpapir | anyway thanks for helping out, will have a go at it soonish :-) |
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| 13:17.31 | SQlvpapir | enouf: should I go for udev or the (older?) hotplug? |
| 13:18.17 | enouf | SQlvpapir: well, udev |
| 13:18.28 | SQlvpapir | thanks for confirming :) |
| 13:18.53 | enouf | SQlvpapir: you actually should make sure the hotplug pkg (from sarge era) is not installed |
| 13:19.07 | enouf | oh, lenny - heh, ok |
| 13:19.09 | SQlvpapir | ofc |
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| 13:19.29 | kantor | hi |
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| 13:19.52 | SQlvpapir | funny how a 233mhz celly can make me all excited |
| 13:20.53 | kantor | what contains the update DVD (or CD's) iso image ?. For instance with debian etch 4.0 r5 there are the three DVD iso images and one 2.6 GB update iso image |
| 13:20.59 | enouf | SQlvpapir: heh, i know how sometimes my babyat p150 gets me all gooey |
| 13:21.57 | valdyn | kantor: use the intarnet, not dvds |
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| 13:22.18 | dennis_p | Does chroot steal RAM even when you have not activated the second X11 session? |
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| 13:22.45 | valdyn | dennis_p: as much as the programs you run in the chroot take |
| 13:22.46 | enouf | huh? not here .. it better not |
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| 13:23.04 | enouf | right, in and of itself, it's nothing |
| 13:23.24 | kantor | I was only curious because that 2.6 GB update image is too big for only the updates in revision 5 |
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| 13:24.03 | valdyn | kantor: where do you see that debian provides an update dvd at all? |
| 13:24.15 | lbt | so I have multiple machines and I want to share X apps. I always remove the -nolisten from xserverrc but now I guess they've found another way to stop me. Anyone know what I need to do to allow remote X connections? |
| 13:24.19 | kantor | valdyn, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:24.39 | asg | lbt: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 13:25.15 | d-b | r5 ? i thought the latest was r4 |
| 13:25.16 | valdyn | kantor: nice, guess its that big then |
| 13:25.19 | lbt | thanks asg but I just want raw tcp. If they're on my LAN I'm hosed already ;) |
| 13:26.06 | valdyn | d-b: http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081023 |
| 13:26.10 | Snadder | Hi.. I tried to boot from a usb stick.. All I got into was the unetbooting menu.. and it didnt work to push on any of the buttons there |
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| 13:26.36 | Snadder | Maybe I did something wrong when writing the iso image to the usb stick with unetbooting? |
| 13:27.01 | asg | lbt: I suppose you could use iptables to restrict X ports to only the machines you wish to use and block others. |
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| 13:28.25 | dennis_p | valdyn: I have just booted and have not yet run invoke for schroot. KIfnfoCenter claims 249 MB RAM total and fysicly available drops from 5 to 3 MB as I start irc. I'm starting to think Lenny has some trouble accessing the RAM chips on my PPC G3, right. |
| 13:28.27 | lbt | asg: it's not that. It's just that the various X packages insist on reverting my changes and re-adding -nolisten |
| 13:28.35 | valdyn | kantor: guess that is a dvd updating from etch r0 to etch r5 |
| 13:28.43 | lbt | I think it's kde4 that's at fault this time... |
| 13:28.50 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081023 |
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| 13:28.52 | kantor | aha |
| 13:28.54 | lbt | in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc |
| 13:29.00 | kantor | ok, than I understand now thanks valdyn |
| 13:29.21 | Snadder | How do I write an image to an usb stick so I can boot from it? |
| 13:29.32 | valdyn | dennis_p: use the free command |
| 13:29.33 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 13:29.34 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 13:29.34 | lbt | which of course means a restart and losing my state in all my apps before I can connect from remote machines .... grrr. |
| 13:29.48 | lbt | Snadder: unetbootin |
| 13:29.49 | enouf | !tell Snadder -about usb install |
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| 13:30.03 | Snadder | lbt: Yeah.. But unetbootin dosnt work |
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| 13:30.31 | lbt | oh, I use it lots. Its the most idiot proof I've found. |
| 13:30.33 | Snadder | ibt: I get up 3 choices inside unetbooting.. after Ive booted up |
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| 13:30.55 | lbt | OK, I've not asked it to handle multiboot from one stick |
| 13:31.22 | dennis_p | !swapwake |
| 13:31.22 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 13:31.30 | Snadder | ibt: I got up "default", "help" an one other choice.. |
| 13:32.00 | enouf | should be using kexec now for that crap :-) |
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| 13:32.23 | asg | lbt: oh, okay, I misunderstood what you were asking about |
| 13:33.07 | enouf | lbt: if there's an issue with kde4, let #debian-kde know about it? |
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| 13:34.09 | enouf | lbt: you still have a -nolisten line in /etc/X11/xinit/{xinitrc,xserverrc}? |
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| 13:34.53 | dennis_p | !RAM |
| 13:34.54 | dpkg | well, ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask about <free ram> |
| 13:35.01 | trifler | useradd or adduser |
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| 13:35.21 | enouf | that's the first time i've seen a cat cat command :-P |
| 13:35.23 | lbt | enouf: no, got rid of that one - they clearly knew I'd find one of them so they sneaked a duplicate in to fool me |
| 13:35.46 | enouf | lbt: righto .. sneaky bastages ... |
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| 13:36.05 | lbt | enouf: indeed... |
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| 13:43.12 | jgr | Hi. How can I turn off syslogd listening at *:514(udp) ? I don't log anything (send, receive) via network, so it isn't necesarry for me. |
| 13:43.30 | jgr | I check manpage but I couldn't find a proper switch. |
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| 13:45.18 | valdyn | jgr: like the -r switch? |
| 13:46.14 | valdyn | jgr: thats only documented in /etc/default/syslogd and the manpage.. |
| 13:46.14 | jgr | valdyn: -r This option will enable the facility to receive message from the network using an internet domain socket. |
| 13:46.25 | valdyn | jgr: yes? |
| 13:46.42 | jgr | valdyn: I don't to receive/send message over a network. |
| 13:46.50 | valdyn | jgr: and? |
| 13:47.12 | valdyn | jgr: edit /etc/default/syslogd and remove the -r |
| 13:47.16 | jgr | valdyn: I have no passed -r to syslog, but netstat -u -l -p says that syslog listens |
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| 13:50.15 | enouf | man 8 sysklogd? |
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| 13:51.18 | enouf | jgr: whom added the -r in the default file? |
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| 13:53.31 | jgr | enouf: As I said, I have no passed -r to syslog anywhere. |
| 13:54.25 | enouf | jgr: you have some old shit there then |
| 13:54.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.30 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 13:54.48 | edwin_quijada | How can I look the fialed attempts to go into my system |
| 13:54.48 | enouf | you're likely not even using debian |
| 13:54.57 | edwin_quijada | sshd log? |
| 13:55.09 | cahoot | auth.log |
| 13:55.20 | enouf | try /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:55.37 | jgr | enouf: ii sysklogd 1.4.1-18 System Logging Daemon |
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| 13:55.44 | h0n3st | I get this message in syslog after setup DDNS on ubuntu 8.10 box and it is not working!: kernel: [20187.664129] type=1503 audit(1225546357.890:94): operation="inode_create" requested_mask="a::" denied_mask="a::" fsuid=104 name="/etc/bind/office.dsi.ir.db.jnl" pid=22150 profile="/usr/sbin/named" |
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| 13:56.07 | robyonrails | I set up a wlan. Who explain to me why only when I lanched dhclient, I got to get internet access ? |
| 13:56.29 | enouf | jgr: well - maybe your mail config is doing something to it - mine never EVER default listened on anything |
| 13:56.50 | cahoot | robyonrails: dysconfigured interfaces? |
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| 13:57.38 | robyonrails | probably, but I didn't know what the rest to configure was |
| 13:57.56 | jgr | enouf: what version of sysklogd do you have? My mail config? There is no mail config. |
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| 13:58.22 | edwin_quijada | cahoot: i can see the people that are trying to go in into my system? |
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| 13:58.38 | enouf | you have an MTA installed .. which version of Debian are you using? and /msg dpkg services |
| 13:58.47 | edwin_quijada | wao! This is incredible !! |
| 13:59.00 | edwin_quijada | I have 1000 attemps or more |
| 13:59.14 | enouf | edwin_quijada: use fail2ban maybe |
| 13:59.22 | jgr | enouf: 4.0 (etch) |
| 14:00.59 | cahoot | robyonrails: look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:00.59 | edwin_quijada | all attemps just from one ip |
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| 14:01.00 | enouf | jgr: my version is 1.4.1-20 .. but i haven't upgraded in a while, and even since sarge it was never an issue |
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| 14:01.39 | enouf | jgr: have you updated/upgraded since installation? and /msg dpkg security |
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| 14:01.48 | robyonrails | ok cahoot, I admit I was lazy |
| 14:01.51 | robyonrails | :) |
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| 14:03.13 | jgr | enouf: Yes, I have |
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| 14:04.10 | enouf | jgr: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 14:04.50 | enouf | jgr: also, when are you going to show us (and edit) the contents of your default file? |
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| 14:06.05 | robyonrails | it was matter of /etc/resolv.conf ... :\ |
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| 14:07.33 | jgr | enouf: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 14:08.48 | jgr | enouf: my syslog.conf: http://pastebin.com/d4cb35932 |
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| 14:09.51 | enouf | wrong file |
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| 14:10.57 | slicer_ | enouf: i got dri now |
| 14:11.04 | enouf | . /dev/tty12 |
| 14:11.29 | enouf | slicer_: hrm, any reason why you hadn't? |
| 14:11.49 | slicer_ | i was running sarge, remember? |
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| 14:11.57 | slicer_ | i still am, |
| 14:12.23 | enouf | no, i don't recall .. |
| 14:12.27 | slicer_ | oh |
| 14:12.36 | slicer_ | it was an hour since :P |
| 14:12.41 | enouf | you're like kde4 |
| 14:12.55 | enouf | you fooled me, sneaky bastage |
| 14:12.57 | slicer_ | yuk kde, i use gnome |
| 14:13.08 | slicer_ | hehe |
| 14:13.09 | enouf | i never knew you were using sarge |
| 14:13.32 | slicer_ | yeh, who said you cant teach an old distro new tricks ;) |
| 14:14.06 | enouf | why don't you run a 2.4 kernel while you're at it? |
| 14:14.47 | slicer_ | can't if i do my laptop sound like a giant fan |
| 14:15.08 | slicer_ | everything goes quiet at 2.6 |
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| 14:22.13 | Laeborg | hi |
| 14:22.46 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/d2971cdf |
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| 14:25.05 | superbob | how do i set cron to run a script |
| 14:25.21 | superbob | i have set cron but i don't see the script running |
| 14:26.16 | asg | superbob: man 5 crontab. Make sure you have the correct format (differs depending on if its running from /etc/cron.d or via a user crontab) |
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| 14:26.52 | asg | Laeborg: there appears to be an issue since you are installing a deb from winehq that has differing dependancies to the standard wine in etch |
| 14:26.58 | superbob | asg i m edit through crontab -e |
| 14:27.14 | superbob | i m not sure if ur referrening that |
| 14:27.21 | navis | hello all |
| 14:27.22 | asg | superbob: can you paste the line you put in your crontab? |
| 14:27.48 | navis | since an unknown upgrade, I have no way to connect to my wifi network |
| 14:27.58 | navis | it is WPA protected |
| 14:28.08 | navis | and I'm using network-manager in gnome |
| 14:28.31 | superbob | sure |
| 14:28.43 | superbob | 5 * * * * /root/setcpu.sh |
| 14:28.47 | navis | NM finds the key, but there are strange messages in my log : |
| 14:28.56 | navis | wpa_parse_wpa_ie_wpa(): wpa_parse_wpa_ie_wpa: ie count botch (key mgmt), count 0 left 4 |
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| 14:29.17 | jogla | maybe the owner of that network changed the password *g* |
| 14:29.24 | superbob | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 353 2008-11-01 23:12 setcpu.sh |
| 14:29.31 | jpinx | I'm trying to backport ntfs-3g but it's coming p with an unmet dependency on libfuse2 (>= 2.6) - but the latest libfuse is 2.5.something.. Anyone know what's going on? |
| 14:29.36 | navis | jogla: I'm the owner, the password has not changed |
| 14:29.39 | asg | superbob: is that running from root's crontab or your users'? Also, you may wish to put a 'logger crontab running' line in there to verify (/var/log/syslog) that it does in fact run. |
| 14:29.54 | superbob | for root |
| 14:29.59 | pipeline | jpinx: you're trying to backport, and the library you need isn't there. Have fun backporting fuse :X |
| 14:30.07 | jelly-home | jpinx: you also need to backport fuse-utils (ie. libfuse2 package) |
| 14:30.07 | navis | jogla: and when I try to connect to other networks for which it has no key, it asks for one |
| 14:30.09 | enouf | superbob: do you have a VIA mobo having trouble getting sata drives recognized? (was that you yesterday?) |
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| 14:30.25 | jpinx | jelly-home: cool -- looking..... |
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| 14:30.35 | superbob | enouf: nop intel bro |
| 14:30.40 | nullie | hello. Can anyone point me to consice description of debian package building? |
| 14:30.47 | asg | superbob: also, that line indicates that the script will run every hour at 5 minutes after the hour. If you intention is to run it every 5 minutes, try using '*/5' instead. |
| 14:30.49 | navis | the last "sane" message I have is "NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan3) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete." |
| 14:30.55 | jaggz- | how do I configure an installed package which failed in my original configuration of it? (tutos2.. I didn't set its sql db properly) |
| 14:30.55 | enouf | ok superbob, no worries, |
| 14:31.00 | nullie | I just want to start from changes and understand what all those files mean |
| 14:31.09 | navis | and then the wpa_parse... errors |
| 14:31.13 | asg | jaggz-: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <pkg> |
| 14:31.14 | superbob | enouf: wat vendor ? |
| 14:31.23 | superbob | asg let me try |
| 14:31.29 | liable | nullie: /msg dpkg nmg .. for a start |
| 14:31.37 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.44 | asg | jaggz-: apt-get -f install |
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| 14:31.56 | nullie | liable: I tried that. It goes from wrong perspective of a problem |
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| 14:32.19 | navis | I have tried google, the debian bug tracker, I can't find anything related to that error |
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| 14:32.29 | asg | jaggz-: if that doesn't fix it, you'll need to hack the pre/post inst/rm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.* so it doesn't fail, purge the package, and re-install. |
| 14:32.35 | navis | I have tried to reverd to an older iwlwifi firmware, but it didn't help |
| 14:33.16 | superbob | asg it is intentional to run it every 5 min |
| 14:33.18 | jpinx | I've back-ported fuse-utils but ntfs-3g still won't install:( |
| 14:33.18 | jaggz- | that failed too.. but I noticed a different message (it was there before though I believe).. it said the user/group (http/http) was missing.. so I added that group and it worked with the -f install.. thanks :) |
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| 14:33.43 | asg | superbob: then replace '5 * * * *' with '*/5 * * * *' |
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| 14:33.54 | superbob | yep done |
| 14:34.03 | jpinx | or do I have to reboot? |
| 14:34.12 | jpinx | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 14:34.28 | jpinx | pipeline: ^^ |
| 14:34.46 | navis | am I alone with that problem ? |
| 14:36.00 | enouf | nullie: that doesn't even make sense |
| 14:36.26 | navis | strange, the "wpa_parse_wpa_ie_wpa(): wpa_parse_wpa_ie_wpa: ie count botch (key mgmt), count 0 left 4" message also occurs when I don't try to connect |
| 14:36.51 | navis | right now I'm on the eth network, but I still see the message in syslog |
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| 14:38.19 | jpinx | what kernel includes the FUSE kernal module? Do I have to go up to etchnhalf? |
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| 14:38.38 | jaggz- | restarting X .. :) |
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| 14:38.45 | jelly-home | jpinx: no, have you installed new libfuse-dev? |
| 14:38.47 | slicer_ | jpinx: you can compile the module |
| 14:39.15 | slicer_ | if you install fuse you dont need ntfs-3g |
| 14:39.22 | jelly-home | slicer_: what? no |
| 14:39.36 | slicer_ | thats how i did it |
| 14:39.38 | jpinx | jelly-home: I backported fuse-utils as you suggested |
| 14:39.39 | jelly-home | slicer_: fuse is ntfs-3g dependencyt |
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| 14:39.50 | jelly-home | jpinx: and installed newer version? |
| 14:40.03 | jelly-home | ... just checking. |
| 14:40.17 | jpinx | jelly-home: newer version of what? |
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| 14:40.38 | jelly-home | of what ntfs-3g wants; libfuse2 I think |
| 14:40.40 | jpinx | I assumed backporting would be the latest vcersion |
| 14:41.03 | jpinx | yesv - it wants linfuse2 greater than 2.6 |
| 14:41.10 | jelly-home | jpinx: backporting is the act of creating packages. You want to actually use them, install |
| 14:41.13 | jpinx | but the backports one is 2.5.something |
| 14:41.27 | jelly-home | jpinx: so backport a newer libfuse2! |
| 14:41.40 | jpinx | jelly-home: yes - I did apt-get -t backports install |
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| 14:41.52 | enouf | ... |
| 14:42.00 | jelly-home | jpinx: oh, therein lies the confusing; that's not backporting |
| 14:42.05 | jpinx | jelly-home: the latest libfuse in backports is 2.5.something |
| 14:42.20 | jpinx | jelly-home: apologies for mixing the terminaology |
| 14:42.25 | jelly-home | jpinx: you have to make a newer one by yourself; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:43.08 | jpinx | jelly-home: Hmmm -- odd -- I got ntfs-3g about 6 months ago without havign to do all this |
| 14:43.17 | jpinx | it was a simple backport install |
| 14:43.33 | jelly-home | jpinx: what is the exact command you used to try to get newer ntfs-3g, and the complete output? pastebin |
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| 14:43.59 | jpinx | jelly-home: ok |
| 14:44.01 | jpinx | moment |
| 14:44.16 | jelly-home | jpinx: yeah, nevermind that; I assumed you were building ntfs-3g from source (ie backporting; not "installing from backports.org") |
| 14:44.30 | jpinx | sudo apt-get install -t backports fuse-utils |
| 14:44.44 | jelly-home | ntfs-3g! |
| 14:44.51 | jpinx | and then - sudo apt-get install -t backports ntfs-3g |
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| 14:45.00 | jelly-home | pastebin the output |
| 14:45.06 | jpinx | k |
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| 14:45.26 | jelly-home | jpinx: add "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g libfuse2" too |
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| 14:46.15 | navis | any network-manager guru here ? |
| 14:46.35 | jelly-home | eh, newer ntfs-3g uses internal fuse code, I see it doesn't depend on libfuse* any more |
| 14:46.36 | jpinx | jelly-home: |
| 14:46.46 | jpinx | http://pastebin.com/m440cbfeb |
| 14:47.19 | jelly-home | the other command, too |
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| 14:47.48 | jpinx | Ooops |
| 14:47.51 | jpinx | just added it |
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| 14:48.26 | jpinx | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 14:48.30 | jelly-home | I also need the newer url! http://pastebin.com/m2bcbc28a |
| 14:48.31 | jelly-home | :-P |
| 14:48.56 | jelly-home | (clicked on the latest "anonymous") |
| 14:49.10 | jpinx | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m2bcbc28a |
| 14:49.15 | jelly-home | jpinx: now try spelling libfuse2 correctly |
| 14:50.02 | jpinx | where? |
| 14:50.05 | jelly-home | you wrote just "libf" |
| 14:50.20 | jpinx | k |
| 14:50.28 | jelly-home | in the apt-cache policy command |
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| 14:51.24 | jpinx | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m799a81b0 |
| 14:51.54 | navis | my error comes from wpasupplicant, but that package hasn't been updated |
| 14:52.00 | jaggz- | I don't seem to have any text consoles.. F1 is the X session which begins at boot, but 2-6 are just a blank cursor.. |
| 14:52.02 | jaggz- | (etch) |
| 14:52.12 | jelly-home | jpinx: looks like it ought to work... |
| 14:52.22 | jaggz- | it seems like inittab says it should be respawning an sulogin on term 6, but it's a blank screen with a cursor just like the others |
| 14:52.28 | jelly-home | jpinx: what does "aptitude install ntfs-3g/etch-backports" say? |
| 14:52.30 | jaggz- | what the dilly yo? |
| 14:52.43 | jpinx | jelly-home: it was easy to do a few months ago - dunno what's changed... |
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| 14:54.12 | enouf | jaggz-: you've commented out all ttys? |
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| 14:54.16 | jpinx | jelly-home: heh - that's installing..... |
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| 14:54.45 | jaggz- | no I haven't commented out anything |
| 14:54.53 | jaggz- | or maybe I did sometime!? |
| 14:55.11 | [agatha] | i seem to have a problem with videos and kde... is there any channel for kde 4? i cannot seem to find it... |
| 14:55.14 | jaggz- | 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 14:55.33 | slicer_ | jpinx: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/libs/libfuse2 |
| 14:55.34 | jpinx | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m13f365b |
| 14:55.45 | jelly-home | jpinx: likely it'd have worked if you did -t etch-backports, instead of -t backports |
| 14:55.47 | enouf | f1 isn't the xserver (via default), if it is, you're on ubuntu |
| 14:56.11 | jpinx | Hmm -- someone might want to tell the backports guys that? |
| 14:56.13 | jaggz- | f7 is the xserver.. f1 is the text console showing the bootup |
| 14:56.27 | jpinx | jelly-home: Thanks for the help :D |
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| 14:56.31 | enouf | F1 is the X session which begins at boot ??? |
| 14:56.53 | jaggz- | it also shows the output of KDE beginning.. and timidity running in alsa mode.. those output there as well. |
| 14:57.05 | jpinx | notes to use -t etch-backports in future |
| 14:57.07 | enouf | nope |
| 14:57.22 | jaggz- | I'm definitely not in ubuntu .. I'm in etch :) |
| 14:57.43 | jaggz- | and alt-f7 is where me X is |
| 14:57.52 | enouf | typo? |
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| 14:58.32 | stoned | hey dude man bro |
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| 14:58.43 | jelly-home | no, you're the dudeman! |
| 14:58.44 | stoned | whats the cli tool for generating an xorg modeline? |
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| 14:58.56 | h0n3st | I get this message in syslog after setup DDNS on ubuntu 8.10 box and it is not working!: kernel: [20187.664129] type=1503 audit(1225546357.890:94): operation="inode_create" requested_mask="a::" denied_mask="a::" fsuid=104 name="/etc/bind/office.dsi.ir.db.jnl" pid=22150 profile="/usr/sbin/named" |
| 14:59.07 | stoned | its a 3 lettered tool |
| 14:59.10 | stoned | I know I can't remember |
| 14:59.16 | enouf | pelts stoned with leftover recess pieces |
| 14:59.16 | jaggz- | rc2.d shows S99timidity.. all the rc scripts run on f1 |
| 14:59.19 | stoned | like cit something cvt something |
| 14:59.21 | jaggz- | that's normal |
| 14:59.23 | jelly-home | videogen - Create arbitrary-res modelines using hardware parameters? |
| 14:59.23 | stoned | I can't remember |
| 14:59.29 | stoned | no not that one |
| 14:59.31 | jaggz- | anyway.. I'm wondering what controls the other terms and why they're missing |
| 14:59.38 | enouf | stoned: cvt and gtf |
| 14:59.47 | stoned | oh so it was cvt |
| 14:59.55 | jaggz- | I don't deal with this much (every few years maybe?) .. but I thought it would be that 2:23:respawn line |
| 14:59.55 | stoned | thanks |
| 14:59.58 | superbob | asg: thanks */5 works |
| 15:00.26 | enouf | stoned: write it down for us, i always forget those names, especially gtf |
| 15:00.36 | stoned | I got it now |
| 15:00.38 | stoned | !modeline |
| 15:00.38 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 15:00.56 | asg | superbob: excellent, glad to help |
| 15:00.59 | stoned | dpkg modeline is also you can use 'gtf' or 'cvt' |
| 15:00.59 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 15:01.15 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal modeline |
| 15:01.16 | dpkg | "modeline" is "<REPLY> you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline || you can use 'gtf''cvt'" |
| 15:01.25 | jelly-home | wtf does it do that || thing |
| 15:01.30 | enouf | see? t's not me abrotman ! |
| 15:01.38 | jelly-home | it's an incompatible change |
| 15:01.47 | enouf | pipes abrotman |
| 15:02.03 | asg | he fell in the toilet |
| 15:02.08 | enouf | hehe |
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| 15:02.44 | bb-X | nas |
| 15:02.45 | enouf | and, IINM folks, gtf and cvt are only Lenny and newer, no? |
| 15:02.46 | bb-X | :D |
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| 15:02.55 | bb-X | or hi .. |
| 15:02.56 | jaggz- | no typo.. I don't recall configuring this |
| 15:02.57 | bb-X | xD |
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| 15:03.06 | jelly-home | dpkg, modeline =~ s/modeline || you can use 'gtf''cvt'"/use cvt or gtf/ |
| 15:03.06 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'modeline || you can use 'gtf''cvt'"', jelly-home |
| 15:03.38 | stoned | !modeline |
| 15:03.38 | dpkg | it has been said that modeline is You can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline, or gtf, or cvt |
| 15:03.51 | enouf | too many chefs! |
| 15:03.59 | slicer_ | i prefer the pipes jelly-home |
| 15:04.13 | enouf | did _not_ touch that one .. for the record |
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| 15:04.24 | jelly-home | slicer_: the pipes do a sematically different thing |
| 15:04.26 | stoned | what does it matter if you did |
| 15:04.27 | stoned | ? |
| 15:04.44 | enouf | stoned: i get blamed for all the world's woes |
| 15:04.51 | stoned | then fuck the world. |
| 15:04.55 | jelly-home | slicer_: make the bot display one alternative only, at random |
| 15:05.02 | enouf | stoned: can i lube it first? |
| 15:05.03 | stoned | enouf, as long as you know you did right |
| 15:05.08 | superbob | asg: just one small thing, if i have set to 30 min, i have to do that same ? |
| 15:05.09 | stoned | enouf, whatever floats your boat |
| 15:05.15 | slicer_ | jelly-home: only a moron would sematically, paste those into a term |
| 15:05.18 | superbob | */30 ? |
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| 15:05.27 | stoned | slicer_, what are you about? |
| 15:05.30 | enouf | stoned: you mean, whatever bloat is on your boat? |
| 15:05.32 | jelly-home | slicer_: what? |
| 15:05.36 | slicer_ | So it would even the clever dumb balance |
| 15:05.45 | asg | superbob: you could or just set the first stanza to '30' |
| 15:05.59 | asg | superbob: 0,30 * * * * |
| 15:06.13 | jelly-home | slicer_: uh... a factoid like "a || b" displays either "a" or "b" |
| 15:06.20 | superbob | ok cool |
| 15:06.26 | superbob | thanks again |
| 15:06.49 | jaggz- | see, if I run getty 38400 tty4, by hand, and ctrl-alt-f4, I do have a login prompt.. but my inittab doesn't seem to let it happen.. that's very strange |
| 15:07.16 | jelly-home | slicer_: ... when you ask the bot for it. nothing to do with pasting or shells. It's not even close to what || does in the shell |
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| 15:08.29 | slicer_ | jelly-home: yeah i know, coz it's an irc client |
| 15:08.54 | jelly-home | doesn't get it |
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| 15:09.11 | jaggz- | dpkg a || b? |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | no idea, jaggz- |
| 15:09.15 | slicer_ | it aint my fault you dont get it, jesus blame me |
| 15:09.19 | mizmax | i hev kernel 2.6.26 where i get nvidia drivers on this keryel ? this linkhttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 15:09.26 | jelly-home | slicer_: it has nothing to do with the irc client. It's bot's own syntax |
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| 15:09.28 | superbob | asg: man 5 crontab doesn't say anything like it should be set like */5 then y it is ? |
| 15:09.29 | enouf | stoned: mention something about lenny and up for cvt and gtf (xserver-xorg-core:) |
| 15:09.44 | mizmax | 2.6.18 i need 2.6.26 help me please |
| 15:09.47 | slicer_ | jelly-home: yeah but a cant exactly htop in my client ???? |
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| 15:09.57 | jaggz- | dpkg, false || echo true |
| 15:09.57 | dpkg | jaggz-: no idea |
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| 15:10.24 | jaggz- | brb |
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| 15:10.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, blahfoo is one || two |
| 15:10.44 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 15:10.48 | jelly-home | !blahfoo |
| 15:10.49 | dpkg | somebody said blahfoo was one |
| 15:10.50 | jelly-home | !blahfoo |
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| 15:10.58 | jelly-home | !blahfoo |
| 15:10.58 | dpkg | blahfoo is probably two |
| 15:11.02 | jelly-home | that. |
| 15:11.09 | jelly-home | dpkg: forget blahfoo |
| 15:11.09 | dpkg | i forgot blahfoo, jelly-home |
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| 15:11.53 | jelly-home | slicer_: no idea what you were thinking I was talking about :-) |
| 15:13.09 | enouf | backing up further, it appears when editing a factoid using 'is also or' perhaps(?) possibly dpkg interprets that as || .. ergo inadvertant || get in there sometimes |
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| 15:13.15 | asg | superbob: Step values can be used in conjunction with ranges. Following a range with ``/<number>'' specifies skips of the number's value through the range. For example, ``0-23/2'' can be used in the hours |
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| 15:13.29 | hellues | hey |
| 15:13.37 | hellues | icannot format my /home partition |
| 15:13.45 | enouf | something odd like that is happening, because i know i didn't use a || when i was accused of doing so |
| 15:13.47 | hellues | gparted does not provide this |
| 15:13.56 | hellues | how can i do this from shell |
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| 15:14.11 | slicer_ | jelly-home: hehe |
| 15:14.20 | bb-X | poliya_19: :* |
| 15:14.21 | lindenle | Can someone help me get pam and ldap to play nice for gdm login? |
| 15:14.21 | enouf | hellues: mkfs |
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| 15:14.27 | poliya_19 | bb-X: :** |
| 15:14.33 | bb-X | :) |
| 15:14.40 | hellues | just mkfs |
| 15:14.47 | enouf | man mkfs |
| 15:14.51 | superbob | asg: cool |
| 15:16.06 | slicer_ | hellues: http://www.idevelopment.info/data/Unix/Linux/LINUX_PartitioningandFormattingSecondHardDrive_ext3.shtml |
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| 15:19.47 | stoned | whats the largest resolution supported using vga= in boot |
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| 15:20.08 | stoned | currently I'm using vga=791 and it isn't big enough I think I need more space |
| 15:20.17 | stoned | I have a 22" lcd |
| 15:20.31 | asg | stoned: should be listed in the kernel src Documents/vesafb.txt |
| 15:20.36 | stoned | ahh |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | 1600x1200 iirc |
| 15:20.59 | slicer_ | 1280X1024? |
| 15:21.08 | stoned | is there a way to change this on the fly without rebooting? |
| 15:21.08 | enouf | stoned: http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology |
| 15:21.18 | enouf | not |
| 15:21.22 | stoned | dang |
| 15:21.30 | enouf | i mean .. with a pkg .. wait |
| 15:22.03 | enouf | stoned: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html |
| 15:22.15 | enouf | not sure how old, or still works or anything |
| 15:22.24 | enouf | crash at your own risk :-P |
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| 15:22.57 | enouf | see if uvesafb offers anythhing new like that |
| 15:23.02 | stoned | ok |
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| 15:23.05 | pipeline | stoned: 791 is as big as standard VESA goes, btw. |
| 15:23.08 | stoned | soon as I get out of cli and into X |
| 15:23.14 | stoned | pipeline, thought as much |
| 15:23.24 | jelly-home | stoned: actual res depends on your card's BIOS |
| 15:23.32 | stoned | I have an x1900xt ati |
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| 15:23.36 | stoned | pretty decent card |
| 15:23.48 | cahoot | you have too advance hw |
| 15:23.52 | stoned | lol |
| 15:23.52 | pipeline | stoned: Intel chipsets support bizarro extended VESA stuff, but only if you patch the BIOS. And the kernel doesn't patch the BIOS before initing video :( |
| 15:24.17 | stoned | ok |
| 15:24.36 | stoned | where is the line for the kernel where I can specify vga=791 and no matter the kernel upgrade |
| 15:24.39 | jelly-home | my i915 has modes for 1440x900 and similar |
| 15:24.46 | jelly-home | stoned: grub. |
| 15:24.47 | stoned | in menu.lst should I add kopt= under my debian entry |
| 15:24.48 | stoned | ? |
| 15:24.52 | asg | stoned: ##kopt iirc |
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| 15:25.04 | stoned | is it ##, or # or kopt itself |
| 15:25.10 | jelly-home | stoned: no, under # kopt = ... and rerun update-grub |
| 15:25.11 | stoned | it says do not uncomment just modify |
| 15:25.16 | stoned | so leave the # then? |
| 15:25.16 | jelly-home | right |
| 15:25.17 | erawfish | there already is a kopt setting by default |
| 15:25.17 | stoned | ok |
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| 15:26.12 | stoned | so in menu.lst there is a diff between # and ## ? |
| 15:26.36 | asg | stoned: ## is a comment for the 'k' options, # is the active line for the 'k' options |
| 15:26.42 | stoned | I see |
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| 15:26.46 | jelly-home | stoned: update-grub parses "# kopt=" line and updates actual boot definitions |
| 15:26.50 | enouf | automagic |
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| 15:26.58 | stoned | there is no such thing |
| 15:26.58 | jelly-home | idiotic |
| 15:27.22 | stoned | ok I've upgraded to sid |
| 15:27.32 | enouf | only idiots don't read comments ;-) |
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| 15:27.40 | stoned | now I have 2 sid boxes, this is 2 mins old, the other is 7 years old |
| 15:27.41 | stoned | :D |
| 15:27.49 | jelly-home | enouf: whoever thought of hijacking comments and change the syntax should be shot |
| 15:27.59 | stoned | jelly-home, I agree |
| 15:28.01 | enouf | concurs |
| 15:28.04 | stoned | that # ## confused me for a sec |
| 15:28.32 | enouf | and it's tough having to explain to newbs all the friggin time - oh well |
| 15:28.43 | stoned | yeh sorry for being a noob |
| 15:28.44 | enouf | like stdisease |
| 15:28.45 | stoned | I try to not be |
| 15:28.51 | enouf | erm .. f**k |
| 15:28.56 | enouf | haha |
| 15:29.02 | enouf | stdisease: ignore me |
| 15:29.06 | slicer_ | what does quiet mode do on kernel line, grub? |
| 15:29.06 | stdisease | enouf: thank you :) |
| 15:29.22 | enouf | suppresses text? |
| 15:29.24 | stoned | slicer_, it hides stuff |
| 15:29.35 | slicer_ | enouf: i'm removing it then i like the text |
| 15:29.37 | jelly-home | has no idea what it does |
| 15:29.41 | stoned | slicer_, like it makes the bootup look cleaner without all sorts of verbosity |
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| 15:30.08 | jelly-home | stoned: do you know which verbosity is eschewed? |
| 15:30.09 | enouf | how about seeing those distro specific ones, like rhgb or someshit |
| 15:30.13 | slicer_ | i like verbosity :) |
| 15:30.14 | stoned | jelly-home, not exactly |
| 15:30.25 | superbob | bbl |
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| 15:30.42 | stoned | jelly-home, however by looking at the behavriour I'd say something to do with suppressing low level system messages |
| 15:30.59 | jelly-home | system? |
| 15:31.16 | enouf | !define low level system messages |
| 15:31.17 | stoned | for example it will show "loading networking" but not the 10 steps it does otherwise like get the card up, show you the link is up, show you dhcp offer etc. etc. |
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| 15:31.28 | stoned | keep in mind im a noob |
| 15:31.32 | stoned | and I'm only going by what my eyes can see |
| 15:31.37 | stoned | i don't kknow th technical sisde of it |
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| 15:32.02 | stoned | it will hide all that I think and just say starting netorking or something |
| 15:32.12 | stoned | I dunno man go figure it out and then let me know too :D |
| 15:32.12 | jelly-home | oh, maybe it changes /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
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| 15:32.42 | valdyn | proc is not up at that point |
| 15:32.43 | enouf | well .. now we have all these newer printk variants to toy with |
| 15:32.49 | jelly-home | ? |
| 15:32.58 | enouf | earlyprintk, printk.time, etc |
| 15:33.22 | Zharf | hmm |
| 15:33.30 | Zharf | tihs lenny installer uses sid repos.. |
| 15:33.37 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.37 | stoned | bullshit |
| 15:34.09 | Zharf | there we go |
| 15:34.13 | stoned | is is NOT installable unless you specify debconf_priority=low or medium |
| 15:34.22 | stoned | which is NOT on by default in the lenny installer |
| 15:34.29 | enouf | the kernel ring buffer is a bit of a mystical beast ;-) |
| 15:34.32 | stoned | and there is absolutely no fucking way that you're stober right now |
| 15:34.47 | Zharf | stoned, I think it was because the dns resolve timedout a fwe times while I was fixing my router :) |
| 15:34.52 | enouf | hits stoned with 1 stober |
| 15:34.53 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 15:35.02 | stoned | Zharf, its im fucking possible sir :) |
| 15:35.03 | Zharf | well, it did use sid |
| 15:35.07 | Zharf | nope |
| 15:35.11 | stoned | Zharf, not unless you specify it |
| 15:35.13 | stoned | it can't |
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| 15:35.42 | enouf | stoned: i think the businesscard.iso and netboot allow for sid |
| 15:35.50 | Zharf | yep |
| 15:36.01 | stoned | enouf, which priority is default for them? |
| 15:36.03 | Zharf | I've instlaled sid many times from those |
| 15:36.09 | stoned | I JUST used a netboot on this machien |
| 15:36.11 | enouf | stoned: i don't know offhand |
| 15:36.17 | stoned | and defautl install didn't have it |
| 15:36.23 | stoned | I had to reboot with boot param for low |
| 15:36.37 | stoned | THEn I was presented with an option to chose stable/testing/unstable inn the instller |
| 15:36.38 | Zharf | stoned, try making the dns request fail a few times annd it'll move on to sid repos |
| 15:36.39 | enouf | stoned: did you look at f1..f10 ? |
| 15:36.43 | enouf | hides |
| 15:36.44 | stoned | not lately enouf |
| 15:37.14 | stoned | so whats going on then? |
| 15:37.37 | enouf | chocolate cats! |
| 15:37.42 | stoned | so if the dns fails it moves to sid repos? |
| 15:37.51 | stoned | what!? |
| 15:37.55 | stdisease | nom nom nom nom nom |
| 15:38.07 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:38.07 | stoned | so anyone want to answer me? |
| 15:38.13 | stdisease | :D |
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| 15:38.18 | enouf | ok, i will |
| 15:38.35 | Ohmu | People, I'm starting a project - to create a continuous speech recognition engine for foss/linux. Please check out http://womblezone.blogspot.com/ - all help greatly appreciated!! |
| 15:38.56 | stoned | Ohmu, ##linux |
| 15:38.59 | enouf | ohhh shiny! ,, ;-) |
| 15:39.15 | stoned | well |
| 15:39.22 | LimCore | I want to be able to send emails from command line (also from php etc). I do not receive emails so I dont need full blown real email server. I have dynamic IP. How to? |
| 15:39.23 | stdisease | Ohmu: that's quite an endeavour, I vowed not to ever access blogspot.com, ever again, though |
| 15:39.35 | stoned | so if your dns fails it rotates mirrors? |
| 15:39.39 | stoned | what kinda BS is this? |
| 15:39.59 | stoned | so if i pull my network cable out it will keep doing that instead of giving me errors? |
| 15:40.05 | stoned | WHAT THE HELL is going on |
| 15:40.14 | Zharf | calm down.. |
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| 15:40.43 | stoned | Zharf, could you kindly answer me or provide me with some information |
| 15:40.44 | Zharf | it didn't rotate the mirror at least yet for me, it just switched to http://ftp.fi.debian.org sid/main |
| 15:40.47 | vignesh | Hey enouf |
| 15:40.56 | stoned | Zharf, how did it do tht? |
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| 15:41.05 | stoned | Zharf, where is this behaviour documented? |
| 15:41.06 | enouf | vignesh: hola! |
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| 15:41.13 | asg | LimCore: if you have an upstream smarthost, then something like nullmailer or ssmtp will work. If not, then exim4 or postfix will work. To send via the commandline, you can use mailx or mutt. |
| 15:41.21 | vignesh | enouf, How are you ? |
| 15:41.28 | stoned | emotional! |
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| 15:41.31 | enouf | vignesh: ok - and you? |
| 15:41.33 | stoned | runs |
| 15:41.34 | vignesh | fine |
| 15:41.35 | LimCore | asg: what is upstream smarthost O_o |
| 15:41.41 | Laeborg | how does i clean apt-get? old files tring to install :S |
| 15:41.44 | Zharf | stoned, it tried to fetch the package listing a few times before it worked.. then it said it uses sid/main.. no idea about documentation |
| 15:41.57 | pipeline | Laeborg: apt-get update |
| 15:42.05 | asg | LimCore: a mailserver at your ISP that will accept mail from you and route it accordingly. If you don't have one, you'll need to do your own routing using a full mailserver. |
| 15:42.09 | stoned | Zharf, and you are using which debian installer? |
| 15:42.19 | stoned | pipeline, do you know by any chance what Zharf is talking about? |
| 15:42.25 | stoned | you usually know stuff |
| 15:42.29 | LimCore | asg: what O_ooo |
| 15:42.29 | Laeborg | pipeline: still trying to setup 'linux-sound-base' |
| 15:42.31 | LimCore | wtf |
| 15:42.32 | Zharf | stoned, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:42.49 | stoned | I just used a beta2 netboot image 1 hour ago |
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| 15:43.01 | LimCore | I want to have a real mail server running on my localhost, but the most simple possible, and only for sending |
| 15:43.05 | stoned | maybe I am misunderstandig you Zharf |
| 15:43.16 | Zharf | stoned, but did your network work properly at first? my router was blocking it because it didn't know its MAC address |
| 15:43.29 | asg | LimCore: then use exim4 since a) it's installed by default and b) has a configuration for doing just that via 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
| 15:43.31 | stdisease | LimCore: if you have access to your ISP's smtp relay, you can use that |
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| 15:43.42 | asg | LimCore: for more information, /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 15:43.44 | stoned | Zharf, if you are trying to isntall testing and you don't want sid, and if your network is iffy, do you think it will forcefully give you sid instead? |
| 15:43.44 | LimCore | stdisease: wtf O_o |
| 15:43.53 | stoned | that just doesn't sound reasonable and/or possible to me |
| 15:43.57 | LimCore | this shouldn't be that hard. I just want to send email to test@limcore.com |
| 15:43.58 | stoned | you MUST have done something |
| 15:44.06 | enouf | !drec LimCore |
| 15:44.07 | dpkg | LimCore: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 15:44.18 | LimCore | I want my damn PC to connect to limcore.com's mail server, and deliver an email there |
| 15:44.34 | stdisease | LimCore: it's very much easier than you think |
| 15:44.36 | Zharf | stoned, well, it at least didn't ask anything, I was just looking at the log console.. it said it fetched sid/main package listing and after I had fixed my network and ste up aptt again, it started using lenny |
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| 15:44.52 | stoned | no no no |
| 15:44.54 | stoned | no |
| 15:44.58 | stoned | you are hallucinating |
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| 15:45.07 | Zharf | nope, that'd be you |
| 15:45.10 | stoned | or mistaken |
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| 15:45.12 | enouf | well .. it was halloweenie |
| 15:45.34 | Zharf | enouf, when? |
| 15:45.40 | stoned | last night |
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| 15:45.43 | Zharf | aha |
| 15:46.04 | stoned | enouf, where can I find the f1-f10 helpfiles of the debian installer online for lenny |
| 15:46.10 | stoned | I want to see exactly what Zharf is talking about |
| 15:46.12 | stdisease | if you ever used google yesterday, you'd know :p |
| 15:46.13 | stoned | this is ridiculous. |
| 15:46.25 | Zharf | stoned, I've no idea if it's in those :) |
| 15:46.25 | enouf | stoned: well. you should just loop mount the ISO and look |
| 15:46.32 | stoned | i have no iso |
| 15:46.37 | stoned | I use ALWAYS netboot |
| 15:46.40 | stoned | not netinst |
| 15:46.43 | LimCore | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config what option I use? |
| 15:46.49 | stdisease | stoned: what's ridiculous is the amount of lines you're generating, nearly triggering my epilepsy :p |
| 15:46.59 | stoned | stdisease, /ignore stoned |
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| 15:47.11 | Zharf | stdisease, he's stoned |
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| 15:47.31 | stoned | Zharf, well, whatever. I'm gonna leave you to it, but I don't buy what you are saying. You can't install testing with sid repos. Good day. |
| 15:47.32 | stdisease | asdfasdfsadf eppilepsy triggered thx as34ddjjdole :p |
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| 15:48.02 | Zharf | stoned, you can make lenny installer install sid instead, of that I'm 120% sure |
| 15:48.13 | stoned | Zharf, yes, I just did that... but thats not the point. |
| 15:48.21 | Zharf | stoned, right, it's not :) |
| 15:48.52 | enouf | wonders what it would take to convince Zharf he's 121% sure |
| 15:48.56 | LimCore | ok I set up exim4 |
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| 15:49.00 | Zharf | enouf, :) |
| 15:49.06 | LimCore | how to send message subject: test to test@limcore.com |
| 15:49.29 | enouf | you were pointed to a tut |
| 15:49.36 | enouf | mailx |
| 15:49.38 | asg | LimCore: install mailx and then 'echo foo | mail -s 'subject' test@limcore.com'. Do read the tutorial though |
| 15:49.48 | LimCore | enouf: mailx hanged or something |
| 15:49.56 | jelly-home | LimCore: ctrl-d |
| 15:49.59 | enouf | oh well |
| 15:49.59 | jogla | Can i set up a timer that wakes my notebook from standby automaticly in the morning? |
| 15:50.08 | jelly-home | (waiting on stdin) |
| 15:50.23 | asg | jogla: most bioses will allow that. It isn't something possible via the OS though once it has gone to sleep. |
| 15:50.40 | enouf | jogla: cron? |
| 15:50.43 | stoned | is that even a proper pluralization of BIOS? |
| 15:50.45 | stdisease | LimCore, read RFC821 |
| 15:50.47 | LimCore | 2008-11-01 16:49:57 1KwIjb-0003rt-HL == test@limcore.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<test@limcore.com>: host mail.limcore.com [195.205.217.180]: 421 temporary envelope failure (#4.3.0) |
| 15:50.52 | enouf | heh |
| 15:51.02 | jelly-home | enouf: cron... to wake up the machine?? |
| 15:51.10 | jogla | maybe anacron ;) |
| 15:51.13 | stoned | magic packet? |
| 15:51.16 | asg | LimCore: is 'test' a user at limcore.com? |
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| 15:51.19 | stdisease | envelope failure, heh |
| 15:51.23 | jogla | stoned: There is no other computer in the network |
| 15:51.24 | stoned | enouf, join ##hardware |
| 15:51.28 | amphi | WoL? |
| 15:51.28 | LimCore | asg: emails send to test@limcore.com arrive there, yet |
| 15:51.29 | LimCore | yes |
| 15:51.35 | stoned | enouf, you maybe interested in this problem |
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| 15:51.42 | juniper | what's screen keeping that prevents vim from connecting to X when I restart my X session (and attach to the screen) ? |
| 15:51.45 | asg | stoned: follows a similar syntax as bias -> biases |
| 15:51.49 | enouf | wait .. kexec might |
| 15:51.55 | jaggz | juniper? |
| 15:52.05 | stoned | asg, bias is an actual word, BIOS is an acronym. |
| 15:52.10 | stoned | asg, its not the same rules |
| 15:52.11 | stoned | :) |
| 15:52.13 | enouf | but so far it's only x86_32 |
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| 15:52.27 | jaggz | I had juniper berries earlier.. I was wondering what that was about.. |
| 15:52.51 | stoned | its more like ox, oxen. bios, biosen ? |
| 15:52.52 | asg | stoned: Acronyms frequently become full words though and then follow that syntax |
| 15:52.52 | enouf | amphi: aha wol/womr :-) |
| 15:52.53 | stoned | no idea |
| 15:52.59 | jelly-home | jaggz: the shell has old DISPLAY env.variable settings |
| 15:53.05 | LimCore | asg: what other thing can be wrong / how to debug |
| 15:53.07 | stoned | amphi, pi |
| 15:53.10 | asg | stoned: irregular forms are now deprectaed in English |
| 15:53.35 | stdisease | who deprecated them? |
| 15:53.39 | asg | LimCore: ask the mail exchanger administrator at limcore.com since that is what is preventing delivery. |
| 15:53.51 | Facedown | how can i grep for a process thats open by its name? |
| 15:53.52 | jelly-home | asg: that is doubleplus good! |
| 15:53.57 | Facedown | aptitude is running and i cant re-run it |
| 15:53.58 | asg | jelly-home: quite so |
| 15:53.59 | Facedown | i wanna kill -9 it |
| 15:54.04 | cahoot | pgrep |
| 15:54.19 | asg | stdisease: the people that wanted to make English accessible to idiots presumably |
| 15:54.23 | stoned | I need a good wm |
| 15:54.24 | Facedown | thank you, cahoot |
| 15:54.32 | jelly-home | Facedown: or short it out to pkill -9 evilapp |
| 15:54.33 | asg | stoned: can't go wrong with fluxbox |
| 15:54.33 | stoned | perhaps a boxwm |
| 15:54.43 | stoned | asg, you stole the words right from under my fingertips |
| 15:54.46 | stoned | (on the kb) |
| 15:54.48 | cahoot | jelly-home: brutal |
| 15:54.52 | stoned | : |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | jelly-home: yeah, well, i never use sleep shit like that but kexec doesn't rely on ACPI ;-) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=3ab83521378268044a448113c6aa9a9e245f4d2f |
| 15:54.55 | stdisease | asg: heh |
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| 15:55.05 | LimCore | asg: all other emails dont acccept mails as well, since i have mad domain name |
| 15:55.14 | stoned | mad domain name? |
| 15:55.15 | LimCore | my domain name (from ISP) is dynamic |
| 15:55.18 | stoned | !seen jetscreamer |
| 15:55.18 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18d 16h 3m 36s ago, saying: '!tell Tetracomm -about backports'. |
| 15:55.24 | stdisease | windowmaker is quite a nice wm |
| 15:55.24 | stoned | whoah 18 d |
| 15:55.35 | stoned | I've seen wm in action |
| 15:55.42 | stoned | at rahuls house, I think its ugly. |
| 15:55.49 | pipeline | it is ugly, but it works well when it's working |
| 15:55.58 | pipeline | the problem is that too many apps have perverse behaviour under windowmaker |
| 15:56.02 | enouf | and "This can be used to call BIOS code under Linux." |
| 15:56.05 | stoned | fluxbox has widgets and they are nto so ugly |
| 15:56.05 | pipeline | windowmaker essentially expects everything to act like xterm circa 1988 |
| 15:56.07 | LimCore | ok, how to tell eim4 - or other thing, to actualyl use say mailserver@limcore.com (pop3/smtp) account to send/receive emails to anywhere, instead directly connect to target SMTP servers |
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| 15:56.27 | pipeline | LimCore: is your server hosted at home? |
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| 15:56.31 | stdisease | well you can mitigate the ugliness |
| 15:56.35 | jaggz | am I lost? |
| 15:56.39 | stdisease | default look and feel sucks |
| 15:56.43 | pipeline | stdisease: you can't mitigate third party perversity |
| 15:56.43 | jelly-home | LimCore: you want to send all mail to limcore.com smtp server? |
| 15:56.45 | asg | LimCore: configure it to use the mailserver at limcore.com as a smarthost |
| 15:56.50 | stoned | or I could forcibly unhook my mouse and use ratpoison |
| 15:56.50 | stoned | ... |
| 15:57.00 | enouf | !hostname |
| 15:57.00 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 15:57.02 | LimCore | pipeline: yes, dynamic ip and domain. so I better use an email account on real server |
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| 15:57.16 | asg | lunches |
| 15:57.24 | stoned | enjoy |
| 15:57.30 | pipeline | LimCore: yes, you need a smarthost. |
| 15:57.30 | enouf | too |
| 15:57.32 | stoned | its house cleaning day for me |
| 15:57.34 | stoned | bye |
| 15:57.41 | pipeline | LimCore: residential ISP IP blocks are pretty widely blacklisted as sources of e-mail :X |
| 15:57.44 | LimCore | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail this one? |
| 15:57.50 | stdisease | lunches is deprecated, use "nomz" |
| 15:57.53 | stoned | btw, I have road runner |
| 15:57.57 | LimCore | or the other one |
| 15:57.59 | stoned | nothing is blocked |
| 15:58.00 | stoned | :) |
| 15:58.02 | enouf | asg: did you recently move to the US? :-P |
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| 15:58.03 | jelly-home | LimCore: or forget a full-blown MTA like qmail and use ssmtp |
| 15:58.11 | jelly-home | exim* not qmail |
| 15:58.18 | pipeline | LimCore: Yup. |
| 15:58.27 | pipeline | LimCore: You want to send via smarthost, receive via SMTP, probably. |
| 15:58.36 | LimCore | jelly-home: with ssmtp I didnt seen an option to tell it to use real smtp server to connect to it to send emails (elsewhere) I only seen command line option/ |
| 15:58.43 | pipeline | LimCore: running a mail server really, really sucks. If you can afford it, I suggest you buy hosted service. |
| 15:58.44 | LimCore | I do not have to receive for now, just send |
| 15:58.52 | jelly-home | LimCore: it's the only thing ssmtp _can_ do! |
| 15:59.18 | jelly-home | LimCore: you just edit /etc/ssmtp.conf and that's it |
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| 16:00.20 | LimCore | the config file is stupid and confusing |
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| 16:00.54 | jelly-home | are we using the same software? |
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| 16:02.23 | jelly-home | LimCore: this is more than enough, if you don't need auth http://pastebin.ca/1242406 |
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| 16:03.58 | LimCore | jelly-home: wellll.... :o ... *ofcourse* I need auth |
| 16:04.18 | jelly-home | sucks to be without a static ip |
| 16:04.20 | LimCore | otherwise as well _I_ could connect to your mail server and have it seen email for me |
| 16:04.35 | LimCore | *sen |
| 16:04.36 | LimCore | *send |
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| 16:05.03 | Facedown | hm |
| 16:05.08 | jelly-home | LimCore: ... or you could use your ISP's smarthost |
| 16:05.10 | Facedown | it seems i can't find the httpd.conf file and ive installed apache |
| 16:05.14 | Facedown | locate conf | grep httpd |
| 16:05.15 | jelly-home | as you should |
| 16:05.27 | LimCore | no idea what the hell is ISP's smarthost |
| 16:05.44 | Facedown | oh wait, ididnt updatedb |
| 16:05.56 | LimCore | ok lets say I have lol@gmail.com email account with SMTP/POP3. with ssmtp I will use that gmail account to send emails right? |
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| 16:06.26 | jelly-home | Facedown: a) locate only updates once a day, b) /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, but zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:07.03 | jelly-home | LimCore: you'll use gmail's smtp server with that account credentials, yes |
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| 16:07.12 | paxcoder | what's the latest news on Lenny? |
| 16:07.31 | jelly-home | paxcoder: still not releases |
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| 16:07.39 | jelly-home | s/s$/d/ |
| 16:08.16 | paxcoder | jelly-home: yeah, I know. When can we expect it? Should it be out this month? |
| 16:08.24 | jelly-home | paxcoder: WIR! |
| 16:08.31 | paxcoder | !WIR |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 16:08.55 | paxcoder | I think Debian devs are AFK |
| 16:09.04 | jelly-home | paxcoder: I'm thinking April '09 |
| 16:09.06 | paxcoder | jk, I'm sure they're working |
| 16:09.16 | paxcoder | jelly-home: you serious!? |
| 16:09.23 | jaggz | anyone use an aiptek tablet? |
| 16:09.28 | jaggz | (here.. successfully) |
| 16:09.32 | jelly-home | paxcoder: yes, but that's just a guess |
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| 16:09.56 | Gatonegro | Hello all. I'm running Sid on an iMac from the early 2006 (intel core Duo, radeon). I had managed to get the integrated iSight cam working in kernel 2.6.25-2, but in the lastest dist-upgrade (kernel 2.6.26-1) it doesn't work anymore. I try to reapply module-assistant to linux-uvc-source but this package isn't any more in the repos. |
| 16:10.10 | Gatonegro | Does anyone know what has happened to linux-uvc-source? |
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| 16:10.28 | cahoot | included in newer kernels |
| 16:10.49 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 16:10.49 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 16:11.37 | initq | hello |
| 16:11.59 | LimCore | jelly-home: http://codepad.org/J6t1mTq5 |
| 16:12.12 | Gatonegro | cahoot, I did notice there is already an uvcvideo module in 2.6.26-1, but it doesn't seem to create /dev/video0. |
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| 16:12.43 | jelly-home | LimCore: is your user really "sendmail"? |
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| 16:12.55 | Laeborg` | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:12.56 | Laeborg` | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 16:13.10 | mhymn | root |
| 16:13.15 | jelly-home | LimCore: try using swaks to send using CRAM-MD5 to that server, see what happens |
| 16:13.18 | LimCore | jelly-home: yes. and same information as there works |
| 16:13.29 | LimCore | ok it works \o/ -but- only with PLAIN auth |
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| 16:13.45 | LimCore | in kmail I use TSL + CRAM-MD5 and it works, in ssmtp only plain works. wtf |
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| 16:14.50 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Do I have to do anything to get uvcvideo to recognize the camera? |
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| 16:15.05 | jelly-home | LimCore: well, ssmtp seems to be linked with gnutls (at least in lenny), so there probably is some support for SSL/TLS |
| 16:15.08 | cahoot | Gatonegro: no |
| 16:15.21 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Well, it isn't recognizing it. |
| 16:15.36 | cahoot | Gatonegro: checked dmesg? |
| 16:15.49 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Yes, but I don't see anything odd. What should I look for? |
| 16:16.15 | LimCore | woot, all works (except tls) |
| 16:16.19 | LimCore | s/tls/cram |
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| 16:17.35 | cahoot | Gatonegro: usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo |
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| 16:17.46 | DynV | Is it a default behavior but when I filter a listing ( ls *.something ) it also list the item first level content ? Is there a way to simply list the items ? |
| 16:17.58 | cahoot | Gatonegro: and USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0) |
| 16:17.59 | LimCore | thanks jelly-home |
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| 16:19.07 | stoned | are marillat packages supported here? |
| 16:19.38 | stoned | the main meat and potatos of the error is this |
| 16:19.44 | stoned | Setting up flashplayer-mozilla (1:10.0.12.36-0.1) ... |
| 16:19.44 | stoned | update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory |
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| 16:19.49 | Gatonegro | cahoot, I just modprobbed uvcvideo (it wasn't being loaded on boot) and dmesg shows both lines you mentioned. However, there is no /dev/video0 device |
| 16:19.58 | stdisease | DynV: ls -d |
| 16:19.59 | Laeborg` | how can i kill a frozen apt-get process? |
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| 16:20.24 | jelly-home | frozen? |
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| 16:20.53 | DynV | stdisease: great ty ! |
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| 16:21.29 | votyakf | Hi, Does anybody know how to make debian (lenny) live usb stick with crypt home + ntfs-3g +xfce+icedowe+iceweasel. Point me to url describing this, please. (usb 8 GB) - is it possible? |
| 16:21.29 | stdisease | DynV: yw |
| 16:21.39 | cahoot | Gatonegro: nothing like uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device <unnamed> (046d:08ce) ? |
| 16:21.48 | DynV | stdisease: by any chance you know how to not display color ? it's not really important ... |
| 16:21.59 | stoned | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 2008-11-01 12:21 flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 16:22.05 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Nothing like that. |
| 16:22.07 | stoned | well after I made this, marillat's flash package works |
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| 16:22.15 | stdisease | DynV: when using GNU coreutils, ls --color=no |
| 16:22.16 | Laeborg` | jelly-home: i've started a apt-get process via putty, but putty crashed so the apt-get process is still active, but i wants to cancel it |
| 16:22.18 | Gatonegro | cahoot, I take it that isn't good? |
| 16:22.20 | stoned | I wonder if this a bug or what, how should I report this? |
| 16:22.29 | jelly-home | Laeborg`: oh, just kill it |
| 16:22.33 | Laeborg` | how ? |
| 16:22.35 | stdisease | DynV: err |
| 16:22.36 | cahoot | Gatonegro: does lsusb list your cam? |
| 16:22.40 | stdisease | DynV: --color=never |
| 16:22.45 | jelly-home | Laeborg`: "kill processid" |
| 16:22.53 | Laeborg` | how can i find process id ? |
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| 16:23.13 | jelly-home | Laeborg`: "ps -fe|grep apt-get", or "pgrep apt-get" |
| 16:23.13 | Laeborg` | ps aux | grep apt-get |
| 16:23.15 | cahoot | Gatonegro: and - are you sure it uses uvcvideo? |
| 16:23.24 | jelly-home | right |
| 16:23.45 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Ah... wait. I think it is not loading the firmware, for some reason. |
| 16:23.46 | Gatonegro | Hurm. |
| 16:23.58 | Laeborg` | thank you jelly-home |
| 16:23.59 | buntfalke | whoever got the qt4 version of ktorrent into lenny didnt know what he's been doing. bugs all over the place. omg... |
| 16:24.04 | DynV | stdisease: awesome ! :) |
| 16:24.12 | LimCore | how to daily backup entire mysql and pgsql DB, and rotate that backups daily |
| 16:24.16 | stdisease | :) |
| 16:24.19 | LimCore | how to daily backup entire mysql and pgsql DB, and keep last 30 backups |
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| 16:24.31 | stdisease | `man ls` has it all |
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| 16:25.53 | [IceMan] | hi all |
| 16:26.44 | Cloud | hi |
| 16:26.45 | jelly-home | LimCore: http://mysqlbackup.zmanda.com/ ? |
| 16:26.54 | jelly-home | !info mysqlbackup |
| 16:27.53 | jelly-home | LimCore: uh, I'm not sure that's the actual script we use |
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| 16:28.36 | stoned | hey dudes |
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| 16:28.49 | stoned | its not a factoid /msg dpkg ntfs-ro |
| 16:28.53 | cahoot | already finished cleaning? |
| 16:29.01 | stoned | no I have to get mymusic up before I can |
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| 16:30.32 | stoned | sweet |
| 16:30.38 | Laeborg` | http://pastebin.com/d4c2d5ea - can anybody help me here ? |
| 16:31.58 | LimCore | when I installed mantis then I was asked to create password for new mysql user etc etc. but now this does not happen! wtf?? |
| 16:32.17 | pipeline | LimCore: because the user already exists |
| 16:32.26 | LimCore | pipeline: I deleted this mysql user |
| 16:32.57 | Gatonegro | cahoot, Alright, so it seems that the uvcvideo is not loading the firmware, although I do have the package isight-firmware-tools installed. I wonder what is going wrong. |
| 16:33.05 | LimCore | aptitude remove --purge mantis -y ; aptitude install mantis -y do not ask again |
| 16:33.13 | Laeborg` | i have some problems with something called 'linux-sound-base' |
| 16:33.18 | Laeborg` | how can i remove this ? |
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| 16:33.47 | stoned | $>alsaplayer Astronova_-_Electrified1.mp3 |
| 16:33.47 | stoned | Failed to load text interface. This is bad (text,text,/usr/lib/alsaplayer) |
| 16:34.00 | cahoot | Gatonegro: I'd try the uvcvideo mailing list for clues |
| 16:34.00 | stoned | uhm.. I read the manpage and I seem to be ok |
| 16:34.05 | stoned | whats going on here |
| 16:34.26 | stoned | hm |
| 16:34.40 | stoned | I wonder why alsaplayer-text pacakge isn't installed with aptitude |
| 16:34.42 | LimCore | damn it! |
| 16:34.47 | LimCore | beats up mantis |
| 16:34.51 | stoned | it installed the gtk one and the commandline one but not its interface |
| 16:34.52 | stoned | thats dumb |
| 16:35.29 | stoned | enouf, you here |
| 16:35.42 | stoned | cahoot, wish me luck man I'm starting my adventure into non-X cli only env. |
| 16:35.59 | stoned | is there a windowmanger of some type for cli only? |
| 16:36.09 | cahoot | screen of course |
| 16:36.10 | stoned | not 'screen' that is |
| 16:36.17 | deadcat | i feel like my p3 800mhz desktop is getting slow now.... |
| 16:36.17 | stoned | heh i knew you were gonna say that |
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| 16:36.25 | stoned | deadcat, hi dude |
| 16:36.29 | deadcat | stoned: yoyoyo |
| 16:36.32 | stoned | deadcat, what are you runing on it |
| 16:36.39 | stoned | deadcat, ltns hows it going |
| 16:36.42 | deadcat | stoned: sid openbox firefox |
| 16:36.50 | stoned | its probably the ff |
| 16:36.54 | deadcat | oh |
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| 16:37.15 | stoned | check its mem usage and cpu usage |
| 16:37.19 | stdisease | ff is a hog |
| 16:37.31 | stoned | especially with extentions |
| 16:37.41 | stoned | more especially the JS heavy ones |
| 16:37.59 | deadcat | for some reason vlc hogs too... actually all mp3 players hog too.. even a text based like playmp3list |
| 16:38.19 | stdisease | and optimization is apparently not on their short term TODO list :/ |
| 16:38.41 | deadcat | stdisease: firefox? |
| 16:38.54 | stdisease | deadcat: yes |
| 16:39.06 | stdisease | mocp seems to be allright |
| 16:39.34 | stdisease | if you want some user friendliness |
| 16:39.52 | deadcat | i am still trying to mount a remove /home (with diff users (same uid)) on local machine so that i can edit dir/files own by me.... but seems like nfsv4 has some new features thats not letting me |
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| 16:40.14 | deadcat | its been driving me crazy.. |
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| 16:40.46 | jberg | hey, i have a partition on this pc with debian lenny, but the grub bootloader got overwritten by windows, whats the easiest way to fix it? |
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| 16:41.00 | stoned | I have an insanely strange problem. I have an X1900XTX and HG216D HDMI HannsG LCD. Debian,Ubuntu,Windows XP, all install fine, as soon as I get into X with fglrx or the windows driver or anything, doesn't matter, I get No Input Signal on the monitor. Nothing except debian runs on this monitor for some reaason |
| 16:41.01 | [gnubie] | hello all.. |
| 16:41.03 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 16:41.09 | stdisease | jberg: from yoru install media, launch the recovery mode |
| 16:41.19 | stdisease | [gnubie]: hi |
| 16:41.24 | stdisease | *from your |
| 16:41.29 | jberg | stdisease, okay, will a netinst cd work? |
| 16:41.31 | stoned | I install Debian and configure my card to fglrx, same problem. I configure it for radeonhd, same problem. I use radeon driver, and it works. |
| 16:41.41 | stdisease | jberg: it will |
| 16:41.49 | jberg | cool, thanks |
| 16:41.53 | stoned | Even on windows, only mode that works is vga 640x480 and as soon as I change my resolution it goes caput |
| 16:42.02 | stoned | same thing on debian without radeon driver, and on any other distro/os |
| 16:42.05 | stdisease | jberg: good luck |
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| 16:42.17 | stoned | the only os this monitor seems to work on is the radeon driver 16:10 res |
| 16:42.28 | stoned | what in the hell could be going on? |
| 16:42.48 | jogla | Is there an easy way to make Debian lenny boot graphically? |
| 16:42.48 | [gnubie] | hello stdisease.. |
| 16:42.51 | stoned | os/debian |
| 16:43.20 | stoned | jogla, you like gnome or kde? |
| 16:43.22 | stdisease | jogla: boot graphically? |
| 16:43.31 | stoned | jogla, install either kdm or gdm |
| 16:43.51 | deadcat | jogla: or you mean the bootsplash stuff |
| 16:43.54 | stdisease | or even xdm if you know what you're doing |
| 16:43.56 | stoned | or xdm if you are a minimalist |
| 16:43.58 | [gnubie] | anyone can point me where i can find the debian source for asterisk-spandsp? |
| 16:44.11 | Laeborg | i need a lightwiegth desktop. currently i use xfce, any one more lightwieght? |
| 16:44.18 | stoned | Laeborg, no |
| 16:44.25 | Laeborg | okay |
| 16:44.28 | stoned | Laeborg, xfce is fine, use gdm |
| 16:44.31 | deadcat | slim will blow the @#$% out of xdm. i've been using it for a long time. |
| 16:44.59 | stoned | deadcat, what if we don't want to see stuff blown out of xdm |
| 16:45.18 | ArtVandalae | Laeborg, what do you need from a DE? |
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| 16:45.36 | deadcat | stoned: if he wants a GUI login. he'll have to. |
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| 16:45.48 | theholyduck | Laeborg, well i just use fluxbox |
| 16:45.54 | theholyduck | though its not a DE. |
| 16:45.57 | Laeborg | well not much. just a gui so i can run utorrent trought wine |
| 16:46.05 | ArtVandalae | Laeborg, this might be lighter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDE |
| 16:46.05 | stdisease | I use openbox/pcmanfm combination |
| 16:46.13 | theholyduck | Laeborg, might as well use flux then |
| 16:46.16 | jogla | deadcat: Yes, i mean a boot splash |
| 16:46.16 | stdisease | and let pcmanfm be the "desktop" |
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| 16:46.29 | erawfish | Laeborg: do you have X installed? if so, what is the problem? |
| 16:46.30 | Laeborg | is fluxbox a desktop :S? |
| 16:46.32 | SQlvpapir | enouf: I installed pcmcia and discover-modprobed. ifconfig turns up nothing, even after reboot. |
| 16:46.37 | theholyduck | Laeborg, it manages windows |
| 16:46.41 | Laeborg | well xfce is running |
| 16:46.43 | theholyduck | and has a menu if you right click on the desktop |
| 16:46.46 | erawfish | SQlvpapir: lspcmcia |
| 16:46.51 | deadcat | jogla: i think debian has that too. but i havent been following in a while.. let me check |
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| 16:46.53 | theholyduck | and a bar to swtich between windows |
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| 16:46.55 | erawfish | Laeborg: so what is the problem? |
| 16:46.57 | theholyduck | and display icons |
| 16:47.02 | theholyduck | but other than that |
| 16:47.02 | Laeborg | but i have some problems with something called linux-sound-base - this is a dedicated server, so i dont need any "sound" |
| 16:47.03 | theholyduck | it has nothing |
| 16:47.06 | SQlvpapir | erawfish: http://rs550gc.rapidshare.com/files/159677990/1133673/DSC01894.gif |
| 16:47.11 | stradatech | <Laeborg>Its a great light weight when you have an old laptop or just want some speed |
| 16:47.15 | SQlvpapir | thats lspcmcia and spci |
| 16:47.18 | deadcat | jogla: try usplash or splashy |
| 16:47.18 | stradatech | I use it for most of my workstations |
| 16:47.42 | theholyduck | xfce isnt THAT light though :) |
| 16:47.44 | Laeborg | xfce is fast enough for me. but all that problems with linux-sound-base. |
| 16:47.45 | erawfish | SQlvpapir: read what is say, I did not say lspci |
| 16:48.04 | SQlvpapir | the lspcmcia is in the top of the picture |
| 16:48.04 | stdisease | theholyduck: true, heh |
| 16:48.17 | deadcat | SQlvpapir: url no worky |
| 16:48.19 | erawfish | SQlvpapir: then check your dmesg |
| 16:48.21 | cahoot | Laeborg: linux-sound-base is just a small tool for configureing basic sound |
| 16:48.21 | theholyduck | stdisease, for that sake. fluxbox isnt exactly light weight either |
| 16:48.21 | stoned | hm, I just installed iceweasel and it doesn't start |
| 16:48.27 | theholyduck | i mean i could use awesomewm or something |
| 16:48.33 | SQlvpapir | try this one then http://rs550.rapidshare.com/files/159677990/DSC01894.gif |
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| 16:48.39 | stoned | I straced it and got the following two lines that seem like a problem can anyone shed some light on it |
| 16:48.42 | stoned | access("/home/stoned/.mozilla/firefox", F_OK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 16:48.45 | stoned | mkdir("/home/stoned/.mozilla/firefox", 0700) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 16:48.45 | Turl | hi all |
| 16:48.48 | stoned | Turl, hi |
| 16:48.50 | stoned | welcome |
| 16:48.51 | Laeborg | i cant finnish a apt-get command because of linux-sound-base |
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| 16:48.59 | jogla | deadcat: Thank you |
| 16:49.04 | Laeborg | setting up linux-sound-base, but it will never be done |
| 16:49.10 | erawfish | Laeborg: then pastebin the full output of your apt-get run |
| 16:49.14 | Turl | how can I get my swap to swapon? I'm root and it gives Operation not permitted :\ |
| 16:49.14 | theholyduck | Laeborg, apt-get -f ? |
| 16:49.16 | roe_ | how do I see what programs are using bandwidth? |
| 16:49.21 | theholyduck | or whattever |
| 16:49.27 | stoned | drwx------ 2 root root 4.0K 2008-11-01 12:15 .mozilla |
| 16:49.28 | deadcat | SQlvpapir: ah. i have to download the file.,..... |
| 16:49.30 | stoned | ahh thats why |
| 16:49.31 | stdisease | isn't there a apt switch to ignore dependencies |
| 16:49.32 | stdisease | ? |
| 16:49.33 | SQlvpapir | erawfish I am not sure what to grep for.. dmesg sure cant be on the screen and |
| 16:49.38 | stoned | I wonder why root owns my ~/.mozilla |
| 16:49.39 | stoned | wtf |
| 16:49.55 | stdisease | root pwns all |
| 16:49.55 | erawfish | SQlvpapir: you grep for nothing but you look |
| 16:50.00 | deadcat | SQlvpapir: demsg > file or something |
| 16:50.10 | erawfish | stdisease: that's a very very foolish thing to do |
| 16:50.19 | SQlvpapir | its like worse than 1month of email log :/ |
| 16:50.36 | erawfish | SQlvpapir: not if you know where to look: at the END |
| 16:50.46 | cahoot | stoned: should owner be able to write even if the dir is owned by root? |
| 16:50.59 | stoned | ok cool, iceweasel starts now |
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| 16:51.06 | Turl | can anyone help me? :S |
| 16:51.15 | busfahrer | I guess this gets asked alot in here, but is there a rough estimate on when Lenny's going to be released? |
| 16:51.17 | erawfish | Turl: more info needed |
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| 16:51.24 | stoned | cahoot, I simply chown/chgrp to stoned and now it works |
| 16:51.28 | peterrooney | busfahrer: wir, siyh |
| 16:51.31 | stdisease | erawfish: depends |
| 16:51.46 | stoned | I have no idea what I had done. perhaps sometie in the past I modified something as root directly |
| 16:51.48 | erawfish | stdisease: it never depends. it is wrong. always |
| 16:51.52 | busfahrer | peterrooney: Excuse me? |
| 16:51.53 | stoned | though I would never, as i always use sudo |
| 16:51.59 | deadcat | i wish i get help on my nfs problem regarding mounting remote /home with idividual users. |
| 16:51.59 | erawfish | busfahrer: /msg dpkg wir |
| 16:52.05 | stdisease | erawfish: k, if you say so |
| 16:52.17 | Turl | erawfish, I did the swapfile using DD, I mkswap'ped it and when I do swapon /path/file it gives Operation not permitted |
| 16:52.26 | Turl | and I'm root |
| 16:52.27 | stoned | Turl, show some output |
| 16:52.39 | stoned | hm |
| 16:53.04 | stoned | Turl, I know you to be a Ubuntu user. |
| 16:53.12 | stoned | Turl, and I know for a fact that you don't run debian |
| 16:53.23 | Turl | this is a debian server stoned |
| 16:53.26 | stoned | ok |
| 16:53.41 | Turl | it's not my home pc |
| 16:53.47 | stoned | Turl, try it with -v and see if you have anymore info |
| 16:53.55 | Turl | see here http://pastebin.com/m50405d18 |
| 16:53.57 | stoned | Turl, or always strace it |
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| 16:54.45 | deadcat | maybe its because one of those virtual account where root is not really 100% root? i dont know |
| 16:55.05 | Turl | straced it, it seems it fails here: swapon("/root/swap") = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 16:55.40 | Turl | I can paste all if you want though |
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| 16:55.46 | Turl | deadcat, it's a VPS server |
| 16:55.59 | deadcat | Turl: i dont know what VPS is. |
| 16:56.01 | stoned | that shouldn't matter |
| 16:56.06 | stoned | deadcat, virtual private server |
| 16:56.13 | Turl | Virtual Private Server, a virtual machine let's say |
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| 16:56.30 | Turl | running on sth like qemu, virtualbox, etc |
| 16:56.30 | stoned | deadcat, really beefy machine with vmwarre server on it that you can slice up into multple virtual servers and rent it out |
| 16:57.02 | deadcat | ah. |
| 16:57.34 | Turl | 1784159354vps:~# whoami |
| 16:57.34 | Turl | root |
| 16:57.38 | stoned | deadcat, its basically renting a virtual machine on a server somewhere |
| 16:57.44 | Turl | I'm root effectively |
| 16:57.57 | smacnay | Hi, does anyone here use an external hauppauge tuner card with the Debian ivtv stuff? I am using the WinTV pvr USB2 device with in-kernel module pvrusb2 (all works). I note that there is an ivtv-utils package in Debian that most likely is to be used with the ivtv-source for kernel modules. |
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| 16:58.13 | Zharf | how do I set X resolution to be 1280x1024 instead of that ridiculous 1920x1440 or something which is most definitely not supported by my poor CRT |
| 16:58.18 | smacnay | Can the ivtv-utils be used with the stock pvrusb2 module? |
| 16:58.35 | Turl | Zharf, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 16:58.36 | stoned | Zharf, xrandr |
| 16:59.29 | deadcat | Zharf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (this still works? i just edit the file myself) |
| 16:59.52 | stoned | deadcat, ehh not really no |
| 17:00.11 | stoned | deadcat, its a most basic xorg as autodection is used instead of xorg.conf having everything in it |
| 17:00.48 | stoned | deadcat, but one can put stuff in there to specify things more... they are trying to make X fully auto detecting and configuring instead of having to edit xorg.conf |
| 17:01.00 | stoned | its a step in the right direction but it doesn't fullly work yet |
| 17:01.32 | deadcat | i remembered using something like that to config xfree86 |
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| 17:02.25 | Turl | deadcat, stoned, btw, I'm trying to move this server from apache to lighttpd |
| 17:02.42 | Turl | but in lighttpd php doesn't wanna connect to mysql |
| 17:02.44 | Turl | :S |
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| 17:02.56 | deadcat | Turl: cool. i use lighttpd on my little home server |
| 17:02.57 | Turl | in apache it works just fine |
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| 17:03.52 | deadcat | Turl: i have php-pear php5-{cgi,cli,common,gd,suhosin,mysql} installed |
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| 17:06.35 | cr3rzemjest | help! i click 'control center' in kde 3.5.x, then "printers" and window hangs up! is all grey! how do i print |
| 17:07.08 | oklinux | what is the name of the file in /etc/rc something where the deamon is ? |
| 17:07.25 | deadcat | oklinux: /etc/init.d |
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| 17:14.53 | Oohoh | hey |
| 17:14.56 | Oohoh | when lenny will be stable? |
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| 17:16.29 | mhymn | doesn't have any predefined date |
| 17:17.29 | Oohoh | will they say a date few weeks before? |
| 17:18.07 | pipeline | Oohoh: they'll predict a date; they're usually wrong. |
| 17:18.21 | Similian | hi my gettext doesnt work ? any ideas on how to fix it ? |
| 17:18.29 | Similian | reconfigured locales and have german hungarian and english for testing |
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| 17:18.35 | Similian | but (LANG=de_DE; LANGUAGE=de_DE; LC_MESSAGES=de_DE; gettext tar "Memory exhausted" ) returns Memory exhausted |
| 17:18.54 | pipeline | Similian: maybe tar is poorly internationalized ;) |
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| 17:20.33 | Similian | :) damn |
| 17:22.44 | Similian | no something wrong with gettext |
| 17:22.48 | Similian | or my env |
| 17:22.50 | Similian | :( |
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| 17:31.06 | jogla | What do i have to delete to make korganizer just forget *all* of its configartion? |
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| 17:32.02 | jogla | With every restart, korganizer sets the time zone to Chicage, what is completety anoying |
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| 17:32.13 | jogla | because all schedules get moved to other times |
| 17:32.14 | woden1 | How do I make it so that internal NTFS drives are automatically mounted? |
| 17:32.46 | stoned | woden1, readonly? |
| 17:32.59 | mbroeker | jogla, rm -rf ~/.kde/shaer/apps/korganizer && rm -f ~/.kde/share/config/korga* |
| 17:33.03 | woden1 | stoned: read-write using ntfs-3g |
| 17:33.04 | stoned | woden1, in /etc/fstab . /msg dpkg ntfsro or /msg dpkg ntfs-rw |
| 17:33.20 | mbroeker | jogla, its share not shaer :) |
| 17:33.37 | Mundus | msg dpkg lenny |
| 17:34.07 | trochala | Suddenly gnome changed my resolution from 1280x1024 to 1280x800. I am using the intel driver. |
| 17:34.34 | trochala | xrand no longer shows 1280x1024 (my output:http://paste.debian.net/20457/) |
| 17:34.56 | trochala | Is this "VGA-1" expected? |
| 17:35.00 | woden1 | <dpkg> i haven't a clue |
| 17:35.04 | woden1 | stoned: ^ |
| 17:35.24 | stoned | !ntfs-rw |
| 17:35.50 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:35.50 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 17:35.55 | stoned | there ya go |
| 17:36.37 | woden1 | stoned: how does this line look (/etc/fstab)? UUID=B07CD0A27CD0649E/media/Windowsntfs-3g |
| 17:37.02 | jogla | mbroeker: Thats not enough |
| 17:37.08 | jogla | I tried that serveral times |
| 17:37.15 | jogla | It still knows of its calenders |
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| 17:38.39 | mbroeker | jogla, look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kcal/ |
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| 17:38.53 | stoned | sure use uuid if you want |
| 17:39.27 | stoned | ubuntu defauls to uuid debian does not, if you don't know how to setup ntfs, you possibly coulnd't have setup uuid for your disks, and you're probably on ubuntu and I dunno if to help you or not. |
| 17:39.31 | stoned | :/ |
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| 17:40.42 | trochala | How can I get the previous lenny version of xserver-xorg-intel? |
| 17:40.55 | enouf | stoned: newer installers do indeed generate root=uuid= lines now :-P |
| 17:41.19 | stoned | what is going on in the world of debian these days!? |
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| 17:41.38 | enouf | trochala: you mean xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:41.51 | stoned | enouf, intel has opensource gfx drivers for 3d? |
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| 17:42.05 | trochala | enouf: yes, my mistake |
| 17:42.08 | enouf | why should i know? |
| 17:42.12 | stoned | is intel a good option for playing lightweight 3d games? |
| 17:42.20 | stoned | enouf, you don't have intel? I thought you did |
| 17:42.31 | erawfish | only very lightweight or old |
| 17:42.45 | enouf | i'm not a salesman .. i have some older intel mobos suer |
| 17:42.52 | enouf | no graphics |
| 17:42.54 | stoned | salesman? |
| 17:43.05 | erawfish | trochala: you can't unless you use the whole older X version. why would you want to |
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| 17:43.46 | enouf | i mean other than the agp host bridge and stuff |
| 17:44.06 | trochala | erawfish: I have no problem using the whole old xserver |
| 17:44.22 | trochala | erawfish: I am trying to debug a problem with my screen |
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| 17:45.10 | sigp239 | How do I make it so that Debian automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive? |
| 17:45.33 | oklinux | deadcat, is there a rd.conf files? |
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| 17:46.16 | arikonm | hi all |
| 17:46.26 | Zharf | sigp239, write an entry to /etc/fstab |
| 17:46.47 | arikonm | could anbody please help me with b43? I can't seem to get that work with etchnhalf |
| 17:46.53 | trochala | erawfish: Can I find the old xserver-xorg debs? |
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| 17:47.17 | arikonm | I1ve downloaded http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2 this firmware |
| 17:47.29 | arikonm | installed it into /lib/firmware |
| 17:47.56 | arikonm | wlan0 seems to work, I can scan for routers |
| 17:48.23 | arikonm | but I can't authenticate, and signal strenght is 0 |
| 17:48.43 | deadcat | oklinux: rd.conf file for what? each daemon? |
| 17:48.52 | arikonm | however, the stuff works with ndiswrapper, but only on 2.6.18 |
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| 17:50.01 | DAM | ÐобÑÑй веÑеÑ. |
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| 17:56.04 | dustybin | what is a JBoss specialist? |
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| 17:56.55 | sphenxes | i would like to start firstarter (a firewall) during booting my computer? where should i add the command for firestarter?(newbie) |
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| 17:57.54 | simNIX | FWIW: on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ when I click "3" I go to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html -> my browser says page does not exist - not sure where to report this ... |
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| 17:59.00 | SamWeasley | Hi. |
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| 17:59.51 | SamWeasley | I have a SATA to USB External HDD. I have parted and formatted it as ext3, but I can't access it as a non-root user |
| 17:59.55 | SamWeasley | Any tips? |
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| 18:01.18 | Mundus | SamWeasley: You have to use the correct mount options |
| 18:01.18 | SamWeasley | http://pastebin.com/m19d3b985 |
| 18:01.21 | SamWeasley | Mundus: this is the dmesg output after connect my hdd |
| 18:01.28 | SamWeasley | I use also HAL |
| 18:01.36 | SamWeasley | for automount |
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| 18:04.09 | SamWeasley | I thought I could use a UDEV registry to setup correctly the mount options |
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| 18:05.20 | Doctor_Nick | Is there a way to backup packages currently installed on my system? |
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| 18:05.43 | Doctor_Nick | I installed some stand-alone packages on my system and i'd like to back them up before i flatten and reinstall |
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| 18:08.05 | oklinux | does debian have rc.conf file ? |
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| 18:12.09 | mizmax | how I look my linux arhtekture 32 or 64 ? |
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| 18:12.47 | amphi | mizmax: dpkg-architecture |
| 18:13.11 | Eder_Jordan | # dpkg-architecture |
| 18:13.11 | Eder_Jordan | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 |
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| 18:13.17 | Eder_Jordan | amphi => thanks! :) |
| 18:13.21 | Mec | e cherche une femme avec cam voila mon adresse msn gabriel_27@hotmail.fr , jai chaud et jai envie de masturbé enface de ma cam humm |
| 18:13.53 | erawfish | oklinux: /msg dpkg sycvinit |
| 18:13.58 | erawfish | and no, there is no rc.conf |
| 18:14.00 | amphi | !pal Mec |
| 18:14.00 | dpkg | points at Mec and laughs hysterically |
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| 18:14.29 | erawfish | amphi: you've seen his dick? |
| 18:14.59 | amphi | erawfish: eh? |
| 18:15.07 | erawfish | cause you pointed and laughed... |
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| 18:17.12 | SamWeasley | where could I find some help for UDEV rule making, other than Google.. :P |
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| 18:20.58 | EgS | man pages? ;) |
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| 18:21.52 | un | are the debian dvd's divided such as 'main' in dvd1 'contrib' in dvd2, and ? in dvd3, or is 'main' spread across the three? |
| 18:23.26 | dennis_p | ha, aptitude in lenny removed desktop-base as it was declared unused (it contains the debian logo desktop pictures) |
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| 18:24.39 | erawfish | un: dvds are all main |
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| 18:25.02 | erawfish | un: neither non-free nor contrib is debian: those are not dfsg compatible |
| 18:25.02 | un | erawfish: thanks... i need a netboot disc image then... |
| 18:25.09 | un | erawfish: |
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| 18:25.29 | erawfish | netboot disk image is an oxymoron |
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| 18:25.35 | un | erawfish: i thought contrib was redistributable, just not dfsg... |
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| 18:25.47 | erawfish | it usually it, still not debian |
| 18:25.49 | erawfish | !contrib |
| 18:25.49 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 18:25.54 | un | erawfish: indeed it is... |
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| 18:26.05 | erawfish | !wayttd un |
| 18:26.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, un? |
| 18:26.14 | un | erawfish: install debian... lol |
| 18:26.34 | erawfish | if you want to play silly games and be a smartass, go right ahead. HAND |
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| 18:27.07 | un | erawfish: i don't have three dvd's to use, nor bandwidth for it..., so ill just apt the apps i need, sry for offending you... i just wanted to know about the dvds... thanks for your help |
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| 18:35.49 | Sweetandy | Why do Debian binaries acquired by apt work on any Debian system? |
| 18:36.40 | EmleyMoor | Sweetandy: Can you explain what you mean? |
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| 18:38.32 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 18:39.50 | Sweetandy | EmleyMoor: Anybody who runs apt-get install build-essential will get the same build-essential binaries to run the program. And they run. Whereas on Mac OS X compiling on one system with gcc doesn't necessitate that they will run on other Mac OS X systems. |
| 18:40.23 | Sweetandy | b |
| 18:40.27 | Sweetandy | whoops sorry wrong wgindow |
| 18:41.18 | theholyduck | Sweetandy, well you have a system that lets you get the dependencies right |
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| 18:41.28 | theholyduck | and x86 packages are x86 packages |
| 18:41.33 | EmleyMoor | Sweetandy: i am still not quite sure what you're driving at |
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| 18:42.02 | Sweetandy | EmleyMoor: Maybe because the answer is really simple and Linux is superior in that it really doesn't matter what the system is, a binary is a binary |
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| 18:42.11 | Sweetandy | grrr |
| 18:42.16 | theholyduck | EmleyMoor, hes trying to ask why debian x86 packages works on all x86 systems |
| 18:42.23 | theholyduck | though not necesairly so for macosx |
| 18:42.24 | Sweetandy | exactly |
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| 18:42.41 | theholyduck | Sweetandy, well they are compiled as more GENERAL binaries |
| 18:42.42 | SamWeasley | someone could help me with a external USB stoarage? |
| 18:42.51 | theholyduck | you could optimize for only 1 cpu |
| 18:42.57 | theholyduck | and even break support for all but 1 cpu |
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| 18:43.13 | theholyduck | but on the other hand you can make general packages that works on loads of systems |
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| 18:43.58 | dennis_p | on mac os x you depend on libs supplied by Apple, they may not be the same or compatible on each OS X version, Apple wants you o buy the needed version. On linux you just download the needed dependecy if it is not yet on your system |
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| 18:44.35 | Sweetandy | But that system makes sooo much more sense! Gaah I hate Apple right now. I can't share my program with other OSX using friends. |
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| 18:45.52 | Sweetandy | SamWeasley: Yes? |
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| 18:46.50 | SamWeasley | sweetandy: okay... I bought a external HDD storage |
| 18:47.05 | SamWeasley | When I connect it on my USB, it mounts okay via HAL (autodetect) |
| 18:47.17 | SamWeasley | but, mount with root only write permission |
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| 18:47.26 | pipeline | dennis_p: actually, pretty sure the apple dev tools are all free. Unless you're talking about webobjects. That's a whole nother ball game and has nothing to do with OSX. |
| 18:48.15 | gsa10132 | hey peeps.. fresh install Debian Etch netinstall.. my satadisk connected to the pci-controller is visable in /dev but not my two satadisks connected to the onboard sataports.. what gives? |
| 18:48.17 | SamWeasley | http://pastebin.com/d238085f -> mount output |
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| 18:49.36 | Sweetandy | SamWeasley: I'm not sure I can help you, just wanted to get your problem voiced. |
| 18:49.39 | SamWeasley | http://pastebin.com/d69863fc5 -> dmesg output |
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| 18:50.31 | Sweetandy | SamWeasley: I had a similar problem with a USB stick, so I'm curious what the answer will be. |
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| 18:53.25 | SamWeasley | maybe I'll kick the bucket and parted it on big fat32 partition |
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| 18:54.40 | dennis_p | pipeline: yes, you can develop for free but you must be carefull not to use system libs not available on older versions of mac os x. When using the free libs on linux your users will simply download the needed new lib and will not even know it as apt resolves this automatically. |
| 18:54.43 | SamWeasley | weird is... My USB sticks are detected oka |
| 18:54.48 | SamWeasley | okay |
| 18:55.00 | SamWeasley | all in /dev/sdX |
| 18:55.07 | SamWeasley | but not my HDD |
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| 18:57.04 | Facedown | how can i grep a specific directory? |
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| 18:57.13 | Sweetandy | dennis_p: You'd think that newer versions of MacOSX would support older compilations, but nooo. ; ) lol |
| 18:57.15 | Facedown | not pwd |
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| 18:57.30 | Turl | is depmod suppoused to work on debian? |
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| 18:58.19 | Sweetandy | Facedown: ls -l /path/to/dir |grep foobar I think |
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| 18:58.39 | Sweetandy | the -l being optional |
| 18:58.51 | Sweetandy | Worked for me 8 / |
| 18:58.54 | Facedown | oh |
| 18:58.58 | Facedown | so you cant do it with grep? |
| 18:59.04 | Facedown | i mean, you cant specify directly with grep? |
| 18:59.10 | Facedown | it has to be a command prior? |
| 18:59.27 | erawfish | Turl: of course it is |
| 18:59.47 | Turl | erawfish, it doesn't here :S |
| 18:59.53 | erawfish | SamWeasley: cause your usb sticks use a usb controller and your hdd a hdd controller |
| 19:00.02 | erawfish | !doesn't work |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:00.04 | Agiofws | hello i'm no fsk bot |
| 19:00.23 | erawfish | Agiofws: and we care why? |
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| 19:00.55 | Turl | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-92.1.13.el5.028stab059.3: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.55 | Turl | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-92.1.13.el5.028stab059.3/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.06 | Turl | maybe my debian got half installed or sth? |
| 19:01.26 | erawfish | SamWeasley: /msg dpkg vfatrw THis applies to ntfs too |
| 19:01.27 | SamWeasley | erawfish: I placed my dmesg and mount outputs... :(] |
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| 19:01.44 | erawfish | Turl: not a debian kernel |
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| 19:01.48 | tuv | how do i "watch" dmesg | tail ? |
| 19:02.15 | erawfish | tuv: E_SENSE |
| 19:02.29 | tuv | erawfish, ? |
| 19:02.47 | EgS | watch 'dmesg | tail'? |
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| 19:03.16 | erawfish | Turl: no. you use a very shitty kernel. use debian kernels. this is not a debian kernel |
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| 19:03.32 | erawfish | Turl: or ask whoever compiled that kernel |
| 19:03.32 | tuv | EgS, hmm.. right. that was too easy! thanks |
| 19:03.37 | gsa10132 | Should dmidecode generally give some info regarding sata-ports on the motherboard? Anyone knows? |
| 19:03.44 | Turl | erawfish, how can I check if this is really debian or not some thing made by the VPS seller? |
| 19:03.59 | erawfish | gsa10132: use lspci and lshw |
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| 19:04.13 | Nuno | Hi all |
| 19:04.24 | gsa10132 | erawfish: thanks, I'll try that |
| 19:04.26 | erawfish | Turl: bottom line: you can't. you can see that the kernel is pants. and you can't change it since it's a VPS |
| 19:04.28 | Nuno | any Maintainer of http://packages.debian.org/etch/samba were? |
| 19:04.50 | Nuno | I just test upload drivers in XP and work just fine but on Bvista ;) nop :) |
| 19:04.52 | erawfish | Nuno: bad question. state your real problem |
| 19:05.07 | Turl | erawfish, can't I install a new one and edit the bootloader config? |
| 19:05.13 | erawfish | Turl: no |
| 19:05.15 | Turl | or it just won't run well? |
| 19:05.27 | erawfish | it won't run at all, even if you can install a new kernel |
| 19:05.47 | dennis_p | !VPS |
| 19:05.47 | Turl | what an awful marketing technique then :p you can't use swap on this servers |
| 19:05.54 | EgS | tuv: ;) |
| 19:06.05 | erawfish | Turl: that's the fucking point. you'd have to pay extra for that |
| 19:06.42 | Turl | and with 128mb ram not using swap not an option |
| 19:06.43 | Turl | :p |
| 19:06.59 | erawfish | Turl: you are very much mistaken |
| 19:07.36 | Turl | erm, look at this that just appeared on my console erawfish ;) Out of memory (Needed 176135 bytes) |
| 19:07.55 | Turl | it seems my webserver needs more ram :p cheaper solution: use swap |
| 19:08.01 | Turl | but well, you just cant |
| 19:08.22 | Nuno | erawfish: http://dev.ncosta.net/samba-up-drivers.png then http://nunodev.homelinux.com/up_drivers.JPG in XP wrok fine ;) logs: http://cmsmadesimple.org/pastebin/2229 |
| 19:08.30 | Nuno | it's fine now erawfish ? |
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| 19:09.20 | gsa10132 | erawfish: hmm.. lspci says nothing about onboard sata-ports.. shows my pci-satacontroller card tho |
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| 19:10.04 | erawfish | gsa10132: what does it say? |
| 19:10.33 | Nuno | Samba version 3.0.24-6etch10 |
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| 19:11.57 | gsa10132 | erawfish: http://paste.debian.net/20465/ |
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| 19:13.19 | erawfish | gsa10132 update-pciids to see what line 12 is |
| 19:13.35 | gsa10132 | Im starting to believe I somehow turned the ports off in the BIOS or something.. there's supposed to be disks connected to both onboard sataports |
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| 19:13.38 | gsa10132 | okay, let me try that |
| 19:15.24 | gsa10132 | It was the Ethernet Controller |
| 19:15.29 | gsa10132 | row 12 |
| 19:16.11 | gsa10132 | Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 7c) |
| 19:16.46 | erawfish | gsa10132: wrong |
| 19:16.57 | gsa10132 | ? |
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| 19:17.41 | erawfish | your ethernet is PCI ID 00:12.0. I was asking for PCI ID 00:0f.0 |
| 19:17.46 | gsa10132 | right |
| 19:17.48 | gsa10132 | let me check |
| 19:18.29 | gsa10132 | still says unknown device after "update-pciids" |
| 19:18.54 | gsa10132 | you think that might be the sata-controller? |
| 19:19.49 | erawfish | lspci -nn and tell us it's full PCI ID |
| 19:20.24 | erawfish | *its |
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| 19:20.55 | gsa10132 | [1106:5337] <<--- is that the ID? |
| 19:21.03 | SamWeasley | news |
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| 19:21.29 | erawfish | yes it's your sata and yes it's the PCI ID |
| 19:21.33 | SamWeasley | i tried a sudo chown -R myuser:muser /media/where-i-am after mounting my disc |
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| 19:21.36 | erawfish | get an etchnhalf kernel |
| 19:21.37 | SamWeasley | and worked okay |
| 19:22.08 | SamWeasley | any tip to "lock" this? |
| 19:22.08 | gsa10132 | etchnhalf? where can I find that? is that in any of the pre-packaged ISOs? |
| 19:22.10 | erawfish | SamWeasley: still not a good way but suit yourself |
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| 19:22.18 | erawfish | gsa10132: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 19:22.58 | SamWeasley | erawfish: could I setup HAL so I could "lock" this command (or something similar) to mys sytem? |
| 19:23.19 | gsa10132 | umm.. /msg ? whats that? |
| 19:23.40 | erawfish | SamWeasley: I told you what to do. if you don't want to, not my problem |
| 19:23.49 | erawfish | gsa10132: an irc command |
| 19:24.05 | dennis_p | whoo hoo, as aptitude removed desktop-base along with some gnome stuff my 2d draw speed dropped, installing desktop-base brought my 2d drawing speed back to normal on PPC G3 ATI. |
| 19:24.13 | gsa10132 | oh, of course |
| 19:24.56 | gsa10132 | eraw: Thanks for taking the time, really appreciate it! |
| 19:25.20 | erawfish | no guarantee ethcnhalf kernel works. if it doesn't, try the backports.org 2.6.26 kernel |
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| 19:27.03 | gsa10132 | okay, I was considering re-installing the whole thing, but I guess that won't solve anything? It's really strange, since I had this working on an older kernel.. |
| 19:27.18 | Nuno | erawfish: any chance that I have any tips? |
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| 19:40.31 | cybane | YAY! |
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| 19:42.27 | rohan | hi. how do i check which repository does an installed package X belong to? |
| 19:42.38 | Turl | apt-cache policy package |
| 19:42.38 | tom___ | Hi. I'm running unstable. apt-get install openoffice.org/experimental returns "The following packages have unmet dependencies. openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:3.0.0-4) but 1:2.4.1-12 is to be installed". Could someone tell me the solution to this. |
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| 19:43.36 | rohan | and, how do i get a list of packages which are installed, but do not belong to any repository? |
| 19:43.39 | DeathWolf | is there any way to make iconv use libiconv instead of libc's? |
| 19:43.53 | noother | aptitude -t experimental install openoffice.org |
| 19:43.58 | DeathWolf | I installed libiconv but now debbuild complains everytime some apps uses it because it's not in it's dependency tree |
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| 19:44.30 | DeathWolf | or alternatively;.. how can I tell debbuild to ignore a dependency? |
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| 19:49.30 | DeathWolf | mmm, who calls dh_shlibdeps in debuild? |
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| 19:51.24 | stoned | hi, whats the package called that controls how gnome looks in kde? it used to be gtk2-engines-gtk-qt but I can't find it anymore |
| 19:52.04 | stoned | its an actual entry in Kcontrol's Appearance menu called GTK Fonts and Styles |
| 19:52.13 | stoned | I tried search gtk2|grep qt |
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| 19:52.21 | zeeeee | is there a way to find out what packages i installed manually vs. what was installed because it was a dependency? |
| 19:52.46 | stoned | still didn't find anything. I'm not sure if its even here or if it is called something else now. If anyone knows that would be fantastic |
| 19:52.59 | mhymn | stoned: gtk-qt-engine? |
| 19:54.08 | stoned | yes thanks |
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| 19:54.43 | mhymn | zeeeee: dpkg --get-selections <-- half of the answer to your question! |
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| 19:56.07 | zeeeee | mhymn, i'm not sure what that means... it seems to just be complete list |
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| 19:56.09 | jelly-home | stoned: and gtk-chtheme to set the theme |
| 19:56.26 | zeeeee | man dpkg tells me it's the complete list |
| 19:56.44 | mhymn | that's it |
| 19:57.01 | zeeeee | mhymn, that's what? |
| 19:57.07 | jelly-home | stoned: note that gtk-qt-engine is a mixed bag; it works fine for me on i386, but is very buggy for other people |
| 19:57.26 | mhymn | it gives you the complete list |
| 19:57.39 | jelly-home | stoned: makes gtk apps segfault on amd64 lenny |
| 19:57.40 | zeeeee | mhymn, i'm not interested in the complete list, though... |
| 19:58.10 | zeeeee | i thought there was a file somewhere in /etc or /var that listed all the packages that were manually chosen (should not be garbage-collected) |
| 19:58.40 | mhymn | well, you're question is a little vague, at least for me |
| 20:00.40 | zeeeee | if i install something like xorg, there are a bunch of dependent packages that get installed. i'd like to find a list of all packages that i explicitly installed, like xorg, and not packages that were installed only because they were a dependency of xorg. |
| 20:00.49 | erawfish | zeeeee: there is no such thing |
| 20:01.35 | zeeeee | erawfish, are you positive? i could've sworn someone had pointed out to me before out a file listing such packages. |
| 20:01.37 | erawfish | there is dpkg.log but lists all packages installed, but is also logrotated |
| 20:01.44 | erawfish | I am positive |
| 20:02.01 | zeeeee | erawfish, doesn't something like this *need* to exist, so that the package manager knows which packages it can garbage-collect? |
| 20:02.10 | erawfish | no |
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| 20:02.31 | rohan | suppose i have a few packages installed previously from 3rd party repo. now i have disabled repo and i want the versions from official repo to be reinstalled. how do i do that? |
| 20:02.33 | zeeeee | erawfish, how, then does the package manager know which dependencies it can remove when i remove something like xorg? |
| 20:02.54 | zeeeee | erawfish, (assuming i had explicitly installed xorg) |
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| 20:03.12 | erawfish | cause it can look that e.g. that xorg depends on the video drivers, and no other package does, so they can be uninstalled |
| 20:03.26 | stoned | it doesn't work for me at all as seemingly it has no effect on anything at all. I just installex xfce4-mcs-manager and put that symlink to xfce-setting-show in my my ~/.kde/Autostart and have it configured the way I want which actually did take effect, and I didn't have to restart the app for it to change appearance as I had to with the gtk kde module, but this way is much better |
| 20:03.26 | erawfish | it doesn't how you install xorg |
| 20:03.29 | zeeeee | erawfish, but what if i had explicitly installed the video drivers before installed xorg? |
| 20:03.32 | stoned | jelly-home, ^ |
| 20:03.45 | erawfish | zeeeee: does not matter. if nothing needs it anymore, it can be deinstalled |
| 20:04.13 | erawfish | cause the video drivers without xorg are useless in this case |
| 20:05.39 | zeeeee | erawfish, no, if i install a library package, it might be a dependency for other packages, but i don't need to have any other packages dependent on it to be installed. i may just require it to be present for my own use, for instance, if i'm writing a program that depends on the library. |
| 20:07.01 | erawfish | apt is not made for dealing with stuff outside the packaging system |
| 20:07.06 | zeeeee | erawfish, say there's a package libfoo and a program bar that depends on libfoo. i install libfoo, then start writing my program that depends on libfoo. later i install bar, then remove bar. the system had better not remove libfoo. |
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| 20:08.19 | zeeeee | erawfish, on removing bar, the system does not remove libfoo since i explicitly installed it before; i'm pretty certain of this from experience. |
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| 20:09.02 | mentalmonkey | is there some way to get a picture of the keyboard map currently being used? |
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| 20:09.45 | mentalmonkey | I use xkb to switch between english,hebrew, and greek and it would be nice to see where the hebrew and greek letters are placed because I have an english keyboard |
| 20:09.48 | zeeeee | erawfish, aptitude search '~i!D' |
| 20:10.20 | alvarezp | mentalmonkey, xkbprint, superkb |
| 20:10.40 | mentalmonkey | alvarezp: awesome!! thank you |
| 20:11.18 | alvarezp | mentalmonkey: you shoudl also be able to see it in gnome-keyboard-properties. |
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| 20:12.04 | mhymn | zeeeee: i'm afraid 'dpkg-query' might help you |
| 20:12.08 | mentalmonkey | alvarezp: I'm not using GNOME but maybe I will install that package if I can't do it another way, I think xkbprint looks good |
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| 20:12.31 | alvarezp | mentalmonkey: what are you using? |
| 20:13.04 | mentalmonkey | alvarezp: just a wm - xmonad |
| 20:13.05 | zeeeee | in `aptitude search`'s output, `A` means it was automatically installed (vs explicitly installed) |
| 20:13.18 | zeeeee | erawfish, just fyi |
| 20:13.22 | zeeeee | that was the answer |
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| 20:21.10 | nergoza | each time i try to install apt-get install xfce4 |
| 20:21.13 | nergoza | im getting this |
| 20:21.23 | nergoza | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 20:21.23 | nergoza | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 20:21.23 | nergoza | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 20:21.23 | nergoza | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 20:21.26 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 20:21.30 | nergoza | damn soprry |
| 20:21.32 | nergoza | sorry |
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| 20:21.47 | nergoza | its telling me that the xcfe4 package depends on other packages |
| 20:21.51 | nergoza | but i cant install them |
| 20:21.55 | nergoza | how can i fix this ? |
| 20:22.08 | attonbitusira | Hi. I am looking for someone with knowledge of Hotbrick firewalls. Am I in the right place, or can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:22.50 | erawfish | ask the people who gave you the firewall. this channel is for debian users only |
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| 20:23.13 | nergoza | please help me |
| 20:23.15 | erawfish | nergoza: pastebin the FULL output of your apt run |
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| 20:23.35 | nergoza | sec |
| 20:23.58 | attonbitusira | @nergoza. You are doing sudo apt-get install xfce4... ? |
| 20:24.33 | erawfish | attonbitusira: he won't get this message if he is not root |
| 20:24.36 | nergoza | yes |
| 20:24.42 | nergoza | erawfish: http://paste.debian.net/20469/ |
| 20:25.10 | FreakGuard | do I have to use the debian compiler with distcc on the server? |
| 20:25.24 | erawfish | judd: versions thunar |
| 20:25.26 | judd | erawfish: thunar: 0.4.0rc1-3 (etch) 0.9.0-2~bpo40+2 (etch-backports) 0.9.0-10 (lenny) 0.9.0-10 (sid) |
| 20:25.45 | erawfish | nergoza: which debian do you run? |
| 20:26.07 | nergoza | Its a tamplate debain installation from a server i got from an hosting company |
| 20:26.10 | erawfish | FreakGuard: no |
| 20:26.14 | nergoza | but i change the apt sources to unstable |
| 20:26.21 | erawfish | nergoza: doesn't answer my question |
| 20:26.26 | FreakGuard | erawfish, ok |
| 20:26.44 | nergoza | erawfish: 4.0 |
| 20:26.50 | erawfish | nergoza: apt-get update and try again, if it doesn't work, apt-cache policy xfce4 |
| 20:26.55 | erawfish | nergoza: sid is not 4.0 |
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| 20:27.31 | nergoza | so its ecth ? |
| 20:27.44 | erawfish | if you did it right (probably not) it is sid |
| 20:28.29 | nergoza | erawfish: the apt-cache policy xfce4 output |
| 20:28.31 | nergoza | http://paste.debian.net/20470/ |
| 20:28.34 | erawfish | running sid on a server is a dumb idea, btw. so is using xcfce4 on it probably |
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| 20:29.02 | erawfish | is this ticklers an official debian mirror? |
| 20:29.07 | nergoza | yes |
| 20:29.11 | nergoza | from debain's website |
| 20:29.32 | erawfish | apt-cache policy thunar |
| 20:30.02 | nergoza | http://paste.debian.net/20471/ |
| 20:30.53 | erawfish | dpkg -l |grep thunar |
| 20:30.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep thunar |
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| 20:31.37 | nergoza | erawfish nothign |
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| 20:33.32 | erawfish | install those dependencies which barf manually by mentioning them all on the apt line |
| 20:34.03 | nergoza | each time i try to do that its telling me about more dependencies |
| 20:34.04 | nergoza | :S |
| 20:34.11 | nergoza | why it cant do it by itself |
| 20:34.41 | erawfish | did you update? |
| 20:34.45 | nergoza | yes |
| 20:34.55 | nergoza | maybe i need to use stable sources? |
| 20:35.12 | erawfish | you chose sid, now you deal with it |
| 20:35.23 | erawfish | you cannot downgrade. I told you it was a bad idea to use sid |
| 20:35.50 | nergoza | but i just did it in the apt sources |
| 20:35.54 | nergoza | the OS is not sid |
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| 20:36.47 | erawfish | even worse: you mixed debian releases. now that is a terminal dumb and stupid idea. congrats |
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| 20:37.13 | erawfish | do a real sid upgrade then |
| 20:37.26 | nergoza | how? please guide me |
| 20:37.29 | erawfish | no |
| 20:37.51 | nergoza | why not ? |
| 20:38.02 | erawfish | cause you have no clue to run sid and I won't waste my time |
| 20:38.21 | erawfish | restoer from backups |
| 20:38.55 | nergoza | i can re-install my debian server in 10 minutes, what to do after that ? which sources i need to add for a stable rlease ? |
| 20:39.12 | erawfish | you add none |
| 20:39.59 | nergoza | but it wont find me any packages that i will want to install |
| 20:40.15 | erawfish | then ask your hoster why they fucked up the debian install |
| 20:40.26 | erawfish | a normal debian install creates a proper sources.list |
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| 20:41.02 | erawfish | and what special sfotware do you need? and why? |
| 20:41.47 | nergoza | xrdp, xfce4, |
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| 20:42.04 | erawfish | !versions xfce4 |
| 20:42.10 | erawfish | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 20:42.13 | judd | erawfish: xfce4: 4.3.99.2 (etch) 4.4.2~bpo40+2 (etch-backports) 4.4.2.1 (lenny) 4.4.2.1 (sid) |
| 20:42.24 | erawfish | nergoza: as you can see, this is wrong |
| 20:42.36 | erawfish | judd: versions xrdp |
| 20:42.37 | judd | erawfish: xrdp: 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (lenny) 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (sid) |
| 20:42.51 | erawfish | xrdp isn't there |
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| 20:43.59 | larson9999 | debian is the bees knees |
| 20:45.04 | jens | to those who helped me out with the sata-issue earlier.. I ended up going into the BIOS again, and changed a sata-setting from "IDE" to "RAID", and whambamthankyoumam! Sata-disks are recognized and Bob's my newly found uncle. |
| 20:45.37 | Turl | judd: versions php5 |
| 20:45.39 | judd | Turl: php5: 5.2.0-8+etch11 (etch) 5.2.0-8+etch13 (etch-security) 5.2.6-5 (lenny) 5.2.6-5 (sid) |
| 20:45.40 | erawfish | seems your sata can only use ahci. do you dualboot windows xp? |
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| 20:47.28 | mentalmonkey | alvarezp: thank you, in any even xkbprint is perfect for my needs, I really need to use 'apropos' a bit more :) |
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| 20:47.50 | gsa10132 | eraw: nope, however, I reset the BIOS to "optimized default" prior to my installation.. which was a huge miss i retrospect |
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| 20:48.11 | nergoza | where can i change the xrdp port ? |
| 20:48.53 | nergoza | found |
| 20:49.00 | gsa10132 | I just grew sick of Windows on my server.. and a couple of days ago I got rid of Windows on all my computers.. mrs has XP on a laptop, so if I by any chance would have to use it, it's at arms length :) |
| 20:49.23 | moshii | gsa10132: u r so hardcore <3 |
| 20:49.53 | gsa10132 | moshii: haha, no tat all.. but I don't game, and I do all the photoshopping at work, so no need for Windows really |
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| 20:50.17 | nergoza | how can i restart xrdp ? |
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| 20:50.33 | moshii | Windows and Debian, apples and oranges.. |
| 20:50.34 | creative2bad | how can i get my "ls or dir" command to always show files/directories in colors instead of doing ls --color all the time |
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| 20:50.48 | moshii | creative2bad: alias |
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| 20:51.07 | creative2bad | well i'm using putty, there is no way to make them colored all the time?! something must be set wrong |
| 20:51.11 | gsa10132 | I usually do ls -al .. which outputs colors I think :) |
| 20:51.17 | creative2bad | nope |
| 20:51.31 | creative2bad | telling you.. somethin is fishy |
| 20:51.41 | moshii | creative2bad: what does $TERM say? |
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| 20:52.17 | oeuoeu | http://cuts.name/22R |
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| 20:52.26 | Qtronix | alias ls='ls --color=auto' ? :p |
| 20:52.37 | creative2bad | $TERM says xterm |
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| 20:53.01 | moshii | creative2bad: you should get colours then, you should alias ls to ls + the options you want |
| 20:53.18 | creative2bad | ..how to get colors?! thats my question :) |
| 20:53.32 | creative2bad | Qtronix how can i do that with dir ? |
| 20:53.45 | moshii | creative2bad: you should have a command called "dir" |
| 20:53.47 | lrn | how can i restart xrdp ? |
| 20:53.54 | creative2bad | yah.. |
| 20:54.03 | moshii | lrn: how did you start it? |
| 20:54.08 | blubberdi | you do it the same way |
| 20:54.20 | lrn | i just installed it, i change the configuration and now i want to restart it |
| 20:54.43 | moshii | creative2bad: I mean you shouldn't have a command called dir |
| 20:54.51 | gsa10132 | internally debating on what to use on my desktop computer (AMD64 x2 4400, ATI x1600xt, 2gb ram).. Debian or Kubuntu? I'm kinda keen on trying out KDE4. Any insight? |
| 20:55.06 | moshii | creative2bad: oh, maybe there is.. |
| 20:55.18 | creative2bad | there is ;) |
| 20:55.21 | creative2bad | i dont use it much |
| 20:55.24 | erawfish | gsa10132: the only thing we can suggest is debian, duh |
| 20:55.33 | moshii | creative2bad: you do the same for that command as you would ls.. create an alias with the option you want |
| 20:55.37 | erawfish | creative2bad: ls --color |
| 20:55.48 | creative2bad | Qtronix thx for the alias command |
| 20:55.54 | gsa10132 | eraw: yeah, I figured I wouldnt get an unbiased answer, hehe |
| 20:56.07 | moshii | creative2bad: dir looks like a link to ls anyhow.. |
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| 20:56.56 | blubberdi | yeah, it's a hardlink |
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| 20:58.15 | moshii | blubberdi: the man page fore it is exactly the same just with s/ls/dir/g |
| 20:58.23 | hyper_ch | what does actually the conveyance test to in smartmontools/smartctl? |
| 20:58.40 | Murdoc | Is there any to add vista to grub in grub, I mean- without booting into any OS, from the grub> command line? |
| 20:58.45 | Qtronix | creative2bad: hmm, np. :p kinda funny how the i, the alltime noobie, has the most relevant answer :p |
| 20:58.50 | Qtronix | -the |
| 20:58.52 | blubberdi | moshii: yeah :) dir is just an ls with some options set by default |
| 20:59.00 | erawfish | Murdoc: edit your menu.lst |
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| 20:59.44 | moshii | Murdoc: do what you would do in the config file on grubs command line |
| 20:59.59 | Murdoc | erawfish: Is there anyway to edit it without booting? |
| 21:00.25 | moshii | Murdoc: you cant edit the config file from grubs command line afaik |
| 21:00.35 | erawfish | kmeyer: shure. nano /boot/grub/menu.lst~ |
| 21:00.36 | erawfish | kmeyer: shure. nano /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:00.44 | kmeyer | hmm? |
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| 21:00.55 | moshii | erawfish: there is a nano inside grub? |
| 21:00.59 | erawfish | sorry. superflous "k" |
| 21:01.03 | kmeyer | :-) |
| 21:01.14 | erawfish | moshii: no. and you are right, you cannot edit anything from grub> |
| 21:01.40 | erawfish | Murdoc: if you have seen grub you already booted. you booted grub... |
| 21:01.43 | moshii | all the fs support in grub is ro ... |
| 21:01.47 | Murdoc | I installed vista first, it worked, then I installed debian with grub, when I rebooted, my vista boot went away, so now I only have debian as an option in grub, and it dosent work to boot into debian! |
| 21:02.02 | moshii | Murdoc: why doesnt debian boot? |
| 21:02.20 | moshii | Murdoc: get debian booting and then you can add the chain loader for windows easy enough |
| 21:02.23 | erawfish | Murdoc: fdisk -l pastebin the result |
| 21:03.01 | Murdoc | I dont know- I press the Debian boot, a new page comes up and it says "Booting Debian GNU/linux kernel *** root(hd3,1)" and then nothing |
| 21:03.51 | moshii | Murdoc: you shouldnt have to press anyhing, it should just boot |
| 21:04.03 | Murdoc | Well, I know, same same |
| 21:04.14 | EmleyMoor | Is there any way I can make flexbackup log more when it uses ssh? |
| 21:04.22 | erawfish | Murdoc: /msg dpkg rescue |
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| 21:04.47 | erawfish | and boot from the debian install cd |
| 21:04.59 | Murdoc | I can do a live boot |
| 21:05.06 | erawfish | then do it |
| 21:05.16 | erawfish | but then you need to mount your debian a chroot to it |
| 21:05.19 | Murdoc | But how can I edit the file from the live boot? |
| 21:05.52 | erawfish | Murdoc: follow the factoid I gave you |
| 21:05.57 | moshii | Murdoc: mount your /boot and use and editor |
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| 21:07.48 | Murdoc | Sorry for my poor knowledge, but I´ve tried before, im booting live now, how do I mount my boot partition? |
| 21:09.12 | Turl | mount /dev/sdsomething /mount/point |
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| 21:12.50 | erawfish | Murdoc: do you have a debian installer CD? |
| 21:12.57 | Murdoc | My debian boot partition is on /dev/sdd2 |
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| 21:13.45 | Murdoc | erawfish; yes, I installed debian with it, but when I try to boot in grub, nothing happends, it feels like its not finding debian |
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| 21:14.02 | erawfish | then use that installer cd to rescue boot as I told you |
| 21:14.29 | Murdoc | I did, it did´nt work, maybe I did it wrong? |
| 21:15.07 | erawfish | there certainly is no grub involved in the rescue mode |
| 21:15.22 | Murdoc | I tried rescue, reinstall grub, /dev/sdd2 (which is the debian partition) |
| 21:15.36 | erawfish | then use rescue again |
| 21:15.42 | erawfish | and edit your menu.lst accordingly |
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| 21:16.34 | Murdoc | erawfish, finally a little progress :) I mounted my boot partition and managed to open /grub/menu.lst but I dont know what is wrong |
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| 21:17.16 | erawfish | Murdoc: I don't care about your live CD attempty. HAND |
| 21:17.36 | Murdoc | I need to add Vista to the boot file, how do I know what to include in the menu.lst for vista to boot? |
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| 21:17.54 | erawfish | you need to fix your debian |
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| 21:17.59 | erawfish | not enable vista |
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| 21:18.21 | erawfish | but do what you wish. goodbye |
| 21:18.50 | kalila | recommend me a video editing application, to whiten a video I've taken with a video camer |
| 21:18.53 | Murdoc | erawfish, what is it? I try to do as you say, but you say goodbye? |
| 21:18.53 | kalila | a |
| 21:19.24 | erawfish | you do not what I say. you need to apt-get install grub-doc and read it, but the way you booted you can't do it. |
| 21:19.33 | erawfish | but I wasted enough time already |
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| 21:20.09 | Murdoc | well, If you do not wish to help me, I cant force you |
| 21:21.23 | moshii | Murdoc: if you dont want to fix debian, why not use the windows cd to reinstall its own bootloader |
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| 21:22.17 | Murdoc | I need to fix Debian and Vista, not only one of them! am I being isunderstood? |
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| 21:22.53 | moshii | Murdoc: well, load up the d-i cd and get it fixed then |
| 21:23.36 | Murdoc | d-i cd? do you mean the debian cd? |
| 21:24.16 | moshii | Murdoc: yes |
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| 21:24.43 | Murdoc | ok, and then rescue mode, right? |
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| 21:24.58 | Blackhold | hello |
| 21:25.16 | Blackhold | does anyone when will lenny have 2.6.27 kernel? |
| 21:25.34 | Blackhold | and gnome 2.24 ? |
| 21:25.41 | Blackhold | by default? |
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| 21:26.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | blackbox, .26 |
| 21:26.40 | Murdoc | ok, now I have booted debian cd with rescue as boot option... |
| 21:26.44 | Blackhold | Kamping_Kaiser: it already have .26 |
| 21:26.51 | Blackhold | I'm asking for .27 |
| 21:27.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | blackbox, and i'm answering you |
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| 21:27.33 | Blackwizard | hi all |
| 21:27.37 | Blackhold | and what does .26 mean then? |
| 21:27.39 | Blackhold | :/ |
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| 21:28.10 | Blackwizard | I've got a question: I've setup mrtg on one of my home debian servers running ip 192.168.0.5 and it's supposed to get the details via snmp from a linksys adsl router |
| 21:28.18 | moshii | hasn 2.6.26 been selected for lenny? |
| 21:28.38 | Blackwizard | i deleted the default mrtg.cfg (before cfgmaker) and now removing and reinstalling the package isn't bringing the cfg file back |
| 21:28.54 | Blackwizard | anyone know if there actually is a cfg file in the first place or only gets generated via cfgmaker ? |
| 21:28.59 | moshii | Blackhold: any reason why you *need* .27? |
| 21:29.13 | Blackhold | moshii: wireless n, and 3g support |
| 21:29.13 | Murdoc | Did all my supporters quit or what :/ ? |
| 21:29.32 | Blackhold | now in 2.6.27 it works |
| 21:29.38 | Blackhold | in 2.6.26 it don't |
| 21:29.44 | solairion | hello can you help me with bind9, I can't create a SOA file for my domain |
| 21:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, actually, you answered someone completely else, too :) |
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| 21:30.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, cool ;) two birds, one stone, all that |
| 21:30.14 | Blackhold | but I have done some bad kernel compiling and sometimes computer don't turns on, and wifi 5300AGN works so strange |
| 21:30.26 | Blackhold | sometimes it works, and sometimes it don't |
| 21:30.35 | moshii | Blackhold: lenny is frozen IIRC.. so major changes wont happen |
| 21:31.02 | jogla | Lenny is frozen to become the new stable? |
| 21:31.03 | moshii | Blackhold: a bad compile stops your computer from turning on? |
| 21:31.07 | jogla | When will that happen? |
| 21:31.10 | OpenTokix | jogla: has been for a while |
| 21:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, I meant - blackbox!=blackhols, so, not only did we not understand your answer, you also answered some unrelated guy |
| 21:31.17 | OpenTokix | like since july |
| 21:31.19 | Blackhold | moshii: ok, then the next testing is very close? :) |
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| 21:31.40 | moshii | Blackhold: well lenny is testing, but testing is frozen |
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| 21:31.53 | jogla | why will the next release be 5.0 instead of 4.1? |
| 21:31.55 | Blackhold | ok, understand |
| 21:32.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat, hm. i hadnt noticed *cites just waking up* |
| 21:32.14 | jogla | I don't like it that every distribution tries to have the greatest number |
| 21:32.30 | moshii | Blackhold: The problems you're having might not be fixed by someone else building the kernel for you anyhor ip route add 127.0.0.1w |
| 21:32.43 | Blackhold | moshii: I wish that lenny pass to stable very soon, and enter next version |
| 21:32.49 | moshii | oops |
| 21:33.09 | moshii | put my hand on the touch pad there.. |
| 21:33.13 | Blackhold | moshii: network sometimes work and sometimes no |
| 21:33.23 | Blackhold | could not exactly say why it do or it don't |
| 21:33.23 | OpenTokix | I hope lenny will sport 2.6.27 =) |
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| 21:33.50 | Blackhold | but sometimes I have to reboot laptop 3 or 4 times to could run the system |
| 21:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, I thought redhat/suse et al are having numbers around 9 or more... so where do you see that counting major releases in a regular way expresses such desire? |
| 21:34.01 | moshii | Blackhold: is there any support in .26 for it or is it new (read buggy) in .27? |
| 21:34.11 | Coweater | jogla: there are probably standards for major and minor version increases |
| 21:34.12 | Blackhold | OpenTokix: moshii is saying that lenny is frozen, so that I don't think so :( |
| 21:34.30 | Blackhold | moshii: ok... |
| 21:34.46 | OpenTokix | Blackhold: It was frozen when it got 2.6.26, frozen is just for new features. Not for fixes. - But it's my personal wish =) |
| 21:35.02 | Blackhold | ok.. |
| 21:35.03 | moshii | Blackhold: only passing on what is public knowledge.. read the dev lists ;) |
| 21:35.19 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: The tend to rename them selfes in order to be able to start at 1 again, i dont want Debian to be renamed |
| 21:35.30 | moshii | OpenTokix: depends how much .27 fixes and how much it breaks |
| 21:35.31 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: Remeber Redhat 9? And then it was fedora |
| 21:35.33 | Blackhold | there are sub-devlists? |
| 21:35.43 | OpenTokix | moshii: ofc. |
| 21:35.46 | jogla | Coweater: Are there rules for that in debian? |
| 21:35.50 | Blackhold | one list for the network, other for the graphical interface, etc.? |
| 21:36.01 | OpenTokix | moshii: I am just hoping it myself, since it fixes a racing condition in virtio block devices for kvm =) |
| 21:36.01 | blubberdi | Murdoc, tell us what your /boot/grub/device.map contains and also what commands are under the title you wish to select for booting debian in /boot/grub/menu.lst. don't paste it into the channel, put it into a pastebin, please |
| 21:36.07 | Blackhold | how long was frozen lenny? |
| 21:36.37 | moshii | Blackhold: a while ago, the planned release date has slipped |
| 21:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, no, I don't... I switched to debian around something like suse 4 or whatever and that was only potato back then :) |
| 21:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !release history |
| 21:37.14 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 21:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, ^^ |
| 21:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems weird anyways |
| 21:37.47 | Blackhold | slipped? = sleeped |
| 21:38.08 | Murdoc | bluberdi, ok im booting my live cd right now, but I dont understand how Im supposed to paste it :S |
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| 21:38.16 | moshii | Within a vserver is it possible to much sure packets going to the vservers loopback have their source set as the loopback? at the moment they are coming from the other iface and thats causing trouble with dovecot |
| 21:38.24 | moshii | s/much/make |
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| 21:38.45 | gsa10132 | anyway to turn off the onboard "beep" in Debian? Without physically cutting the wires to the internal speaker? |
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| 21:39.00 | moshii | gsa10132: blacklist pcspeaker |
| 21:39.05 | blubberdi | Murdoc: you'll probably have to type it by hand, or copy the files off to another system and copy&paste it there |
| 21:39.08 | gsa10132 | moshii: thanks |
| 21:39.29 | kshah | I've just signed up for slicehost, edited my sources file to include backports, during which I'm getting a warning about the public key on backports.org, is this related to the openssl hole? |
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| 21:40.23 | blubberdi | Murdoc, the device.map shouldn't be terribly long, and from menu.lst only the commands belonging to the title in question are interesting |
| 21:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | only that it's "pcspkr", not pcspeaker (at least in 2.6.26) |
| 21:40.55 | moshii | gsa10132: CutMeOwnThroat is right ;) |
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| 21:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | kshah, no, that probably just means you haven't got the public key |
| 21:41.40 | kshah | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm sorry, I'm not following, do you mean that I haven't generated my key yet? |
| 21:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports key |
| 21:41.57 | dpkg | well, backports key is apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 21:42.07 | kshah | thank you |
| 21:42.11 | gsa10132 | hehe, okay.. so basically remove the module and edit the blacklist ? |
| 21:42.56 | riot | what is the reason, my workstation (with a nvidia card/drivers) doesn't support s2disk anymore? It worked flawlessly some months ago. Until recent upgrades (unstable) it just resumes to a blank screen :/ |
| 21:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti |
| 21:43.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, wdyti is Why don't you try it? |
| 21:43.31 | Murdoc | blubberdi: Can you read my pm? |
| 21:43.52 | riot | the machine is well alive, except for xorg not running anymore (and the display totally turned off) |
| 21:44.19 | riot | oi, take that back, even the xorg is still running, just no output anymore :( |
| 21:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | riot, switch to console and back |
| 21:44.38 | moshii | gsa10132: I think it goes in the in the initramfs too, so you'll have to look out for that |
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| 21:45.05 | bitunique | Hi! |
| 21:45.07 | bitunique | i was wondering |
| 21:45.14 | bitunique | is there a way to compress a archived file even more? |
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| 21:45.26 | gsa10132 | moshii: cool, thanks |
| 21:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, but that shouldn't usually be a problem(?) or does the boot process use the speaker? |
| 21:45.40 | riot | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, nothing happening :( |
| 21:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bitunique, use better compression (e.g. bzip2) - but probably only gives you an additiona... dunno 5-10% |
| 21:46.10 | phorce1 | bitunique: Generally, no. Use a better archiver in the first place to get a smaller file |
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| 21:46.47 | bitunique | i just compressed a folder which was 7.1GB and after archiving it, it's 5.5 GB is there a way to compress it down to 4GB maybe? |
| 21:46.47 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: I get messages about the init scripts not being able to load pcspkr because its already loaded, if thats the case blacklisting it after its already loader wont do much |
| 21:46.57 | bitunique | ah i see |
| 21:47.09 | bitunique | so is bzip2 the best compresser or is there a better one? |
| 21:47.26 | moshii | bitunique: information theory 101 |
| 21:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | riot, perhaps try switching to console manually before you put it to sleep (it's the same that the sleep-scripts do, though, afaik) |
| 21:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | 101? |
| 21:48.02 | bitunique | is it possible to compress a compressed file then? |
| 21:48.07 | riot | CutMeOwnThroat: good idea, i'm gonna try that next time. |
| 21:48.15 | riot | i'm just rebooting it now.. sad |
| 21:48.20 | phorce1 | bitunique: play with different archivers (time consuming) and play with the settings for them. Depends on what's in the folders too. Lots of jpegs and mp3 files means little compression because they are already compressed |
| 21:48.27 | moshii | you can't compress more than actual information exists |
| 21:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bitunique, sure, why shouldn't it - but you'll kind of double the overhead (every compression method has some type of translation table at the start of the file) |
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| 21:49.19 | phorce1 | bitunique: if you try to compress the compressed file it will probably just get a bit bigger because it will NOT compress further but the new wrapper WILL add another layer of header info |
| 21:49.32 | bitunique | i see |
| 21:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, but the term "actual information" is not defined... see fractal compression algorithms |
| 21:49.43 | bitunique | allright, so i just have to play arround then |
| 21:50.05 | moshii | phorce1: most compressors use the same "compression" anyhow |
| 21:50.28 | bitunique | but, is there any chance in hell i can compress a folder from 7.8GB to to fit on a DVD-r? |
| 21:50.33 | bitunique | or is it just to much to compress? |
| 21:50.41 | bitunique | it's mainly program files in the folder |
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| 21:50.54 | bitunique | no mp3's or movies |
| 21:50.55 | streuner | depends what kind of data |
| 21:51.02 | phorce1 | bitunique: once again, it depends on what KIND of files make up the original 7G |
| 21:51.03 | moshii | bitunique: if that 7.8 contains very little infomation, i.e. all 0's yes |
| 21:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 21:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !compression |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | compression is probably Takes something large and makes it smaller. Compression generally comes in two forms, lossy and lossless. Lossy compression is best used on graphics files and sound files. It crunches down the data at a much higher ratio, at the expense of having an image or a sound that isn't quite the same as before it was compressed. In the best scenario the data takes up less space, but the person viewing the graphic or listening to the ... |
| 21:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | now how was that supposed to continue... |
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| 21:52.11 | moshii | bitunique: if that 7.8gig is totally random it'll always be 7.8gig |
| 21:52.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously this factoid wasnt compressed, but truncated (also saving some space, though) |
| 21:52.31 | phorce1 | bitunique: If it was 7G of manuals saved al as text files it would probably compress to under 2G. If it's 7G of mp3 files (ALL mp3 files, nothing else) you'd be doing good to get it under 6G |
| 21:53.02 | bitunique | well using the standard add to archive from debian etch gnome, it managed to compress it to 5.5GB. i guess its a long shot to try and make it smaller with a different compresser |
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| 21:53.14 | moshii | phorce1: mp3s are already compressed, first lossy and then lzw or something |
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| 21:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bitunique, well, try bz2, that's definitely more efficient than gzip... |
| 21:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bitunique, also, look at p7zip |
| 21:53.57 | phorce1 | moshii: that's why I said he'd be lucky if he could compress a folder containing nothig but mp3 and get much savings |
| 21:54.00 | bitunique | ok thanks |
| 21:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !p7zip |
| 21:54.02 | dpkg | hmm... p7zip is http://p7zip.sf.net/ or an unofficial port of 7za.exe for POSIX systems available in testing and unstable |
| 21:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | package info sais: 7z compression is 30-50% better than ZIP compression. |
| 21:54.59 | phorce1 | .wav files on the other hand ... |
| 21:55.37 | moshii | phorce1: again, depends on the amount of information opposed to the file type |
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| 21:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks that a file consisting of totally random data contains no information whatsoever |
| 21:56.21 | moshii | + thers a lot of different shit that can be given the extension .wav |
| 21:56.36 | ricosecada | Where can I find specific information about the criteria for a package to go into unstable and testing? |
| 21:56.49 | Murdoc | Im pasting my menu.lst and my device.map if someone can help me, Debian wont boot and I want to add windows vista to the grub menu (already installed) Heres my paste link: http://paste.debian.net/20475/ |
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| 21:57.16 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: information in the sense thats it's not predictable from what came before it |
| 21:57.22 | phorce1 | bitunique: personally, I'd find a comfortable split point and burn 2 DVD's ... or burn a dual layer |
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| 21:58.22 | bitunique | thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ricosecada, probably here http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 21:58.48 | kantor | hi |
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| 21:58.52 | blubberdi | Murdoc: you said your root partition is on /dev/sdd2, right? then the grub device is probably wrong. it should say "root (hd4,1)" instead of "root (hd3,1)" |
| 21:58.57 | FreakGuard | checkinstall: http://rafb.net/p/D7DalZ29.html |
| 21:58.59 | FreakGuard | wtf? |
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| 21:59.23 | ricosecada | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks! |
| 21:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ricosecada, depending on what you're after, of course... |
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| 21:59.58 | Murdoc | blubberdi: Yes, its on sdd2, should I change the menu.lst on line 19,25 to (hd3,1) then right? |
| 22:00.00 | phorce1 | needs to buy another 500G or 1T drive soon. He hasn't archived stuff to DVD in a while now |
| 22:00.22 | kantor | how can I make a program (that has owner root and group root) so it can be executed by a "normal" user ? |
| 22:01.23 | moshii | wonders how long a 1T drive lives.. |
| 22:01.23 | phorce1 | kantor: chmod |
| 22:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | FreakGuard, use less 0.9.9's? |
| 22:01.23 | blubberdi | Murdoc: to "root (hd4,1)" on all lines saying "root (hd3,1)" at the moment |
| 22:01.23 | kantor | I tried with set user ID |
| 22:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (like only one) |
| 22:01.24 | kantor | but with no results |
| 22:01.24 | phorce1 | has been sticking with 500 and 750G so far. |
| 22:01.24 | FreakGuard | CutMeOwnThroat, well |
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| 22:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | kuje checkinstall --pkgversion=0.9.9 |
| 22:01.46 | phorce1 | kantor: chmod 755 file |
| 22:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/kuje/like/ |
| 22:02.06 | kantor | ok thanks |
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| 22:02.30 | phorce1 | suid root is usually a bad idea unless you know why you're doing it |
| 22:02.39 | nse | Hello. I am looking for free software for human anatomy, do you know a place where I can start to search it? |
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| 22:03.19 | phorce1 | kantor: and read the man page for chmod too see where I got those numbers and what hey do |
| 22:03.34 | phorce1 | s/hey/they/ |
| 22:04.11 | kantor | ok, thanks |
| 22:04.23 | phorce1 | nse: might search on freshmeat |
| 22:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | nse, google? :) |
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| 22:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | FreakGuard, but I've also seen some really strange field values for checkinstall lately |
| 22:05.28 | nse | Ok, thank you. |
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| 22:05.44 | FreakGuard | Installing Debian package... FAILED! |
| 22:05.46 | FreakGuard | aargh |
| 22:05.50 | Akuw | hi |
| 22:05.53 | Akuw | i have a problem |
| 22:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | nse, what is "software for human anatomy" supposed to be anways? |
| 22:06.05 | Akuw | i mount a server with a SAS storage |
| 22:06.08 | phorce1 | debian has astronomy, biology, chemistry, engineering, geography, linguistics ----- hey, maybe in the biology one |
| 22:06.16 | Akuw | i have 10 1TB disk |
| 22:06.17 | phorce1 | apt-cache search science |
| 22:06.44 | Akuw | now i am trying to copy file from one dir to another but it takes so much time |
| 22:06.46 | Murdoc | Trying to reboot now to check if it works =) |
| 22:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nse, steering software for robots dissecting bodies? software to calculate images from MRI data? |
| 22:07.01 | Akuw | folder a have 300.000 files, and folder b havo no files |
| 22:07.05 | Akuw | have no files |
| 22:07.19 | Murdoc | Can someone tell me whats the difference between "apt-get" and "aptitude" ?? |
| 22:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why aptitude |
| 22:07.35 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 22:07.41 | Akuw | to copy 2GB takes 4 hours |
| 22:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not aptitude |
| 22:07.54 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
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| 22:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Murdoc, that should about cover it? |
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| 22:08.22 | Murdoc | I guess =) |
| 22:08.26 | blubberdi | erm, that's partly wrong, aptitude has the build-dep part |
| 22:08.44 | Akuw | why to copy is so slow? |
| 22:08.52 | gsa10132 | if I change the owner of the content of a mounted hdd.. like 'chown -R user *' will that chown stick when the hdd is unmounted and mounted again? |
| 22:09.00 | FreakGuard | why does aptitude have to lock dpkg :/ |
| 22:09.41 | phorce1 | gsa10132: yes .... uhhh, what fs on the drive? |
| 22:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | FreakGuard, guess... |
| 22:09.52 | gsa10132 | phorce1: ext3 |
| 22:09.53 | FreakGuard | CutMeOwnThroat, it could just lock it if it's working |
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| 22:10.05 | phorce1 | FreakGuard: because it's actually dpkg doing most of the backend work |
| 22:10.13 | phorce1 | gsa10132: then, yes |
| 22:10.18 | gsa10132 | cool, thanks |
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| 22:10.25 | FreakGuard | phorce1, it doesn't have to lock if there's no work to be done :( |
| 22:10.32 | Akuw | nobody have answer about that? |
| 22:10.35 | eli_ | hi everyone |
| 22:10.39 | mimcpher | FreakGuard, run aptitude as your regular user, and only hop up to root when you're doing work, that way it only locks when you're root. |
| 22:10.55 | gsa10132 | phorce1: I guess I have to change the ownership of the folder Im mounting to, when the folder isn't in use right? |
| 22:10.56 | Akuw | i need to copy 27GB, it will take a week |
| 22:10.58 | phorce1 | Akuw: too many possible variables to troubleshoot remotely |
| 22:11.04 | FreakGuard | mimcpher, well |
| 22:11.29 | phorce1 | gsa10132: I have no clue if that will affect the mouted fs |
| 22:11.31 | peterrooney | Akuw: where are you copying from, to? |
| 22:11.41 | Akuw | i am using this command |
| 22:11.42 | Akuw | for file in `ls`; do day=`ls -lt $file|cut -d' ' -f6`; if [[ $day = "2008-10-30" ]]; then cp -p "$file" /home/x/Desktop/test/; fi; done |
| 22:11.55 | Akuw | because i need to separate files by date |
| 22:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, see if hdparm -I (or possibly even -i) can get you information about how the disks are used |
| 22:12.07 | mimcpher | FreakGuard, not really the most convenient thing, I'll admit. I encourage you to submit a patch that locks more sanely :P |
| 22:12.14 | gsa10132 | phorce1: I'll just have to try.. thanks :) |
| 22:12.18 | moshii | Akuw: is the storage a blockdevice? you could run hdparm -tT to check if its just the disk being slow |
| 22:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, how about you move the files, that doesn't take any time at all :) |
| 22:12.31 | FreakGuard | mimcpher, I'll just get lowarch on that machine |
| 22:12.37 | Akuw | i can't move |
| 22:12.46 | Akuw | because the files have to remain there |
| 22:12.56 | moshii | Akuw: on the same disk |
| 22:13.08 | Akuw | what i don't understand is why copy from folder to another in the same disk is so slow |
| 22:13.12 | moshii | Akuw: ? |
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| 22:13.30 | Akuw | in my laptop is fast |
| 22:13.32 | moshii | Akuw: copying on the same disk is reading the file, and then writting it back |
| 22:13.35 | krzd | hi |
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| 22:13.37 | gidna | Hi |
| 22:13.40 | phorce1 | Akuw: it's probably the 'find' searching through 300,000 files that's slow |
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| 22:13.48 | Akuw | hummm |
| 22:13.55 | gidna | I have a problem with ubuntu I can't listen to the pronunciation here http://www.wordreference.com/enit/leather |
| 22:13.59 | gidna | what's the matter? |
| 22:14.13 | kshah | yay... i can't update or install any rubygems.. anyone have info.. |
| 22:14.20 | moshii | phorce1: copying to the same disk/fs will be slow |
| 22:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, and you shouldn't use `ls` but * in your script |
| 22:14.39 | krzd | i can't install debian via netinst, because debian doesn't recognize my lan connection. what can i do? |
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| 22:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, ask #bash what they think about `ls` :) |
| 22:14.53 | frenchn00b | hello guys ! |
| 22:15.02 | blubberdi | Akuw: reading and writing at the same time on the same device (that has a r/w head to move) is usually not that fast, as the head has to jump back and forth from the place to read from to the place to write to |
| 22:15.07 | frenchn00b | is there some openbox users ? |
| 22:15.13 | moshii | krzd: install with one of the bigger images |
| 22:15.32 | krzd | moshii: but then i won'T have internet after installation -.- |
| 22:15.52 | krzd | and i don't have any dvds so it has to fit on a 4gb usb stick |
| 22:16.03 | moshii | blubberdi: the kernel should be working around that.. but its still going to be slow, theres no dma between the same disk |
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| 22:16.46 | phorce1 | Akuw: they have a point. If you have another device in the same machine it might even be faster to "double move" the files. Copy to different device the move back to new location on original device. (not much faster, but faster) |
| 22:16.49 | blubberdi | moshii, yeah, the buffer copes with a part of that, but it still has to jump at some point, so it's always gonna decrease throughput |
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| 22:16.51 | gsa10132 | hmm.. I created 'docs' in /mnt as root... then 'chown -R joe docs' .. but when I mount with 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/docs' root is the owner and 'joe' have no rw permission.. what gives? |
| 22:16.59 | moshii | krzd: once its installed you'll have more options to fix the network problem |
| 22:17.10 | krzd | moshii: and what options? |
| 22:17.48 | moshii | blubberdi: if he had lots of memory he could increase the sync time.. but still, it'll never be quick |
| 22:17.48 | ABC | hi all! does anyone have a link to install debian from usb? i have tried but failed to install. |
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| 22:18.02 | phorce1 | now remembers why he buys motherboards with lots of HD controllers and adds many drives rather than single large drives (although the many drives are pretty darn big) |
| 22:18.03 | eli_ | anyone know how to install a repo through downloading source and using dpkg? |
| 22:18.20 | moshii | krzd: the ability to build modules that arent in the d-i images, firmware etc |
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| 22:18.57 | moshii | eli_: your question makes no sense |
| 22:18.59 | krzd | moshii: are they any howto's or something |
| 22:19.16 | moshii | krzd: what hardware do you have? |
| 22:19.34 | eli_ | moshii: sorry i meant to say download a deb file from debian's website and then use dpkg without sudo access |
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| 22:20.10 | krzd | moshii: i think it's n relateak card (onboard on a ASRock P45TS) |
| 22:20.15 | moshii | eli_: you cant install stuff without root privs |
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| 22:20.41 | eli_ | moshii: so the only way would be doing source install |
| 22:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, mmm... also do the usual check in dmesg and /var/log/messages for tons of hard-disk related errors..... |
| 22:20.46 | eli_ | and not use deb files |
| 22:20.48 | eli_ | hmm |
| 22:20.51 | eli_ | bummer |
| 22:20.59 | moshii | krzd: you need to find out what chipset it is, once you know that you might be able to get d-i to work ;) |
| 22:21.21 | krzd | moshii: as the name of th emotherboard says it's an intel p45 chipset ;-) |
| 22:21.30 | moshii | eli_: you can extract a deb and use its content, but you cant write to /usr/bin etc without being root |
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| 22:21.58 | eli_ | the /usr/bin is not necessary for me. i can install it in /home/user/ |
| 22:22.09 | eli_ | thanks for the idea on extracting the file |
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| 22:22.22 | eli_ | .bashrc is already set to use a directory in the home directory |
| 22:22.41 | moshii | eli_: the problem comes when the binaries inside that deb expect libraries in the right place |
| 22:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | eli_, hm, I thought I saw some package yesterday that installs things in $HOME... now if I could remember what it was called :) |
| 22:22.52 | phorce1 | krzd: but google the motherboard specs and find out what the NIC chipset is |
| 22:23.07 | eli_ | moshii: oh... hmm |
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| 22:23.29 | krzd | phorce1: NIC chipset?! |
| 22:23.37 | phorce1 | NIC chip |
| 22:23.39 | eli_ | another roadblock, getting svn updated is near impossible. |
| 22:23.45 | phorce1 | like RTL8139 |
| 22:23.59 | moshii | eli_: build it in your home |
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| 22:24.37 | krzd | phorce1/moshii: - Realtek RTL8111B/RTL8111C |
| 22:24.48 | eli_ | moshii: i did, the problem is that i need libssl-dev to get the svn to install |
| 22:25.17 | eli_ | moshii: when i use the normal openssl library, the header is missing and svn .configure doesn't budge |
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| 22:25.39 | moshii | eli_: you should be able to point the configure script to use a local copy of openssl |
| 22:26.11 | phorce1 | krzd: this was posted in August -- http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/installing-realtek-rtl8111/3906?s=5829dc6ea16916c67f87a2fc9a5c6cd6&p=8891 |
| 22:26.19 | eli_ | even if the local compiled version of openssl is not the same as libssl-dev? |
| 22:26.35 | eli_ | i tried this and still didn't get .configure to work |
| 22:26.38 | eli_ | for svn |
| 22:26.55 | eli_ | brb |
| 22:27.15 | Akuw | well |
| 22:27.16 | moshii | eli_: -dev packages are just the header split from the original source |
| 22:27.26 | Akuw | in var/log/messages is nothing wrong |
| 22:27.35 | Akuw | so, i suppose is the find |
| 22:27.40 | krzd | phorce1: thx |
| 22:27.41 | krzd | be |
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| 22:27.52 | Akuw | so, it have to find first before copy |
| 22:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | eli_, oh, so it's not about .deb packages... but something gentoo-like(?) - it's in package zeroinstall, but now that I re-read the package description, I wonder about how it's supposed to work in detail |
| 22:28.01 | phorce1 | krzd: I haven't googled further but the 8111 may already be supported in kernels newer than the one included in the installer |
| 22:28.01 | moshii | Akuw: you're copy onto the same disk, it will take ages |
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| 22:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | eli_, zeroinstall-injector ,sorry |
| 22:28.11 | moshii | Akuw: s/copy/copying |
| 22:28.13 | Akuw | how can i do then? |
| 22:28.17 | moshii | Akuw: you could use links |
| 22:28.38 | Akuw | links? |
| 22:28.46 | moshii | ln |
| 22:28.50 | Akuw | HUMMM |
| 22:29.01 | Akuw | let me make a test |
| 22:29.13 | moshii | do you really want two copies of the same file on the same fs/disk? |
| 22:29.22 | maligor | links -> instant webbrowser connection, call them symlinks :P |
| 22:29.23 | phorce1 | Akuw: change your script to create links instead of copying the file |
| 22:29.37 | maligor | or hardlinks |
| 22:29.48 | phorce1 | maligor: yuck |
| 22:29.58 | moshii | maligor: as known as links |
| 22:30.14 | moshii | maligor: intaweb links are known as hyperlinks |
| 22:30.24 | maligor | no, I meant links the browser |
| 22:30.24 | moshii | s/as/also |
| 22:30.35 | moshii | oh, fair enough |
| 22:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... :) |
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| 22:35.02 | sparr | is there a way to get apt (or aptitude or similar) to display a tree-ish view of how packages are causing each other to be installed/removed? |
| 22:35.27 | Akuw | ok |
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| 22:35.49 | Akuw | if i use mv to move the files, all that files will have the same date? |
| 22:35.56 | Akuw | date of creation |
| 22:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparr, I think I've seen some graphic representation somewhere on debian.org(?) |
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| 22:36.37 | Akuw | ?? |
| 22:36.55 | sparr | i was thinking for a specific case |
| 22:36.59 | sparr | not in general |
| 22:37.10 | sparr | i want to know why upgrading package A causes packages B-Z to be removed |
| 22:37.52 | kennethd | is amd64 the right architecture to choose for a thinkpad x61s with an intel core2 duo ? |
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| 22:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparr, not that I know of... but shouldn't be too hard to make one, I just thought yesterday |
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| 22:39.11 | moshii | kennethd: both i386 and amd64 should work |
| 22:39.27 | blubberdi | sparr: does "aptitude why-not B" give any hints? (and also for C-Z then) |
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| 22:39.38 | kennethd | moshii: thanks! |
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| 22:39.50 | sparr | blubberdi: i wasnt familiar with why-not |
| 22:40.14 | blubberdi | me neither ;) i have never used it yet |
| 22:40.16 | sparr | but im not sure how it can help if i dont tell it about A |
| 22:40.42 | Akuw | damm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:40.48 | blubberdi | try it, it may give a general list which packages would cause it to be uninstalled |
| 22:40.50 | Akuw | i used mv but is the same |
| 22:40.56 | Akuw | it takes a lot of time |
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| 22:41.10 | SparkyFlary | Will a server under a virtual machine be just as safe robust and last long as a server booted normally? |
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| 22:41.16 | sparr | "package B was manually installed" :( |
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| 22:41.30 | blubberdi | hmm, too bad |
| 22:41.56 | moshii | SparkyFlary: what "virtual machine"? |
| 22:42.20 | blubberdi | sparr: i always do my conflict resolutions in aptitude's ncurses gui, and there i can see why it want to do something, and if i don't like it, i can override or undo it |
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| 22:42.48 | sparr | ive never been able to use the aptitude gui successfully |
| 22:42.54 | SparkyFlary | lets say i run Debian under windows. will it be just as good and safe as running it if the computer booted normally |
| 22:42.58 | sparr | always end up with random invalid package selections that i cant turn off |
| 22:43.11 | sparr | SparkyFlary: obviously it will be slower |
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| 22:43.22 | moshii | SparkyFlary: would depend on how good the vm is |
| 22:43.24 | sparr | SparkyFlary: and subject to crashing if/when windows crashes |
| 22:43.26 | creative2bad | whats an easy way (program) to setup a bw graph on a simple website to view ? |
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| 22:43.43 | SparkyFlary | i see. thank you |
| 22:44.04 | phorce1 | Akuw: Then it's probably the find operation taking lots of time to sift through a single directory that has 300,000+ files |
| 22:44.11 | moshii | SparkyFlary: you'll loose any acceleration from the base hardware too.. |
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| 22:44.27 | blubberdi | sparr: well, i configured aptitude not to install recommends by default, that's one thing that may help. and i also told it not to resolve broken dependencies on its own. that means more work for me, but also more control |
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| 22:47.23 | mallochigh | I am having issues seeing my drive attached to my sata pci controller. the driver is sata_sx4 .. any help |
| 22:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, you're running one ls on 300000 files for every file you copy |
| 22:47.45 | mallochigh | i.e. what would it be /dev/sd[c-z]. [a-b] are my ide drivers.. ironically. |
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| 22:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, no you don't |
| 22:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, but I'm kind of amazed that you say your script works for 300000 files |
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| 22:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you shouldn't be able to have that number of files expanded into the command line with `ls` |
| 22:50.29 | blubberdi | yeah, that probably means they lifted the total arguments length limit a bit ;) |
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| 22:51.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should really see if you can use find for it - e.g. with the -ctime option |
| 22:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and mv of course only takes "no time" if you're moving from a partition to the same partition |
| 22:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not the same filesystem, mv does nothing else but cp X Y; rm X |
| 22:52.12 | blubberdi | he's copying, if i understood it correctly |
| 22:52.27 | phorce1 | blubberdi: he switched to moving |
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| 22:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | blubberdi, <Akuw> i used mv but is the same |
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| 22:52.45 | blubberdi | ah, okay, i did't follow, sorry :) |
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| 22:55.14 | blubberdi | and indeed, i can do an echo "`ls -R`" on about 60000 files now without any problems :) (wc says 2370803 chars) |
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| 22:58.18 | Akuw | yeah |
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| 22:58.29 | Akuw | but i don't know why is so slow |
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| 22:59.58 | Akuw | can y copy 340.000 files from linux server with samba to windows machine without memory problems? |
| 23:00.03 | Akuw | there is 27GB |
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| 23:00.15 | Akuw | i am using local network |
| 23:00.32 | Akuw | but my window box is waiting and getting slow |
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| 23:01.31 | Akuw | only to list all files it take almost 2 minutes |
| 23:01.34 | Akuw | damm |
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| 23:04.57 | pipeline | Akuw: for extra fun, when you do finish copying it, unless the directory tree is really deep, it'll be unbearable. NTFS does not like large directory listings :( |
| 23:05.18 | Ishnu- | I have Ubuntu installed currently - and am experiencing quite a number of bugs (no sound, can't access trash - Nautilus messing up, X window crashing every now and then). Is Debian more reliable than Ubuntu? |
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| 23:05.54 | CCoolty | Ishnu-, |
| 23:05.57 | CCoolty | if that is your real name |
| 23:05.59 | blubberdi | pipeline, fat even less so ;) |
| 23:06.00 | CCoolty | Try Linux mint |
| 23:06.20 | pngwn | or you could load debian |
| 23:06.21 | jogla | Hmm.. i have sound, i have a trash can, x window did never crash. What is a Nautilus? |
| 23:06.31 | CCoolty | nautilus is your file browser |
| 23:06.35 | CCoolty | "explorer" in windows |
| 23:06.40 | simonrvn | of what dost thou speaketh, Ishnu- ? |
| 23:06.57 | jogla | CCoolty: are you talking about dolphin? |
| 23:07.04 | Ishnu- | Modern englishes pleases |
| 23:07.04 | CCoolty | No. |
| 23:07.48 | simonrvn | CCoolty: mint linux is OT |
| 23:07.50 | CCoolty | I mean nautilus, jogla |
| 23:07.54 | CCoolty | ot? |
| 23:08.04 | CCoolty | simonrvn, ? |
| 23:08.07 | CCoolty | what is OT. |
| 23:08.21 | EmleyMoor | Off Topic |
| 23:08.23 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 23:08.24 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:08.33 | CCoolty | No it's not off topic. |
| 23:08.37 | CCoolty | It's based on DEBIAN |
| 23:08.43 | EmleyMoor | !bod |
| 23:08.44 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:08.48 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 23:08.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:08.57 | EmleyMoor | GMTA |
| 23:09.01 | simonrvn | crap. sorry 'bout that |
| 23:09.25 | CCoolty | anyways. |
| 23:09.37 | CCoolty | My conversation isn't off topic. |
| 23:09.42 | simonrvn | it is ot. now hush, newbie. |
| 23:09.44 | CCoolty | I was talking about nautilus, don't be rude. |
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| 23:10.18 | jogla | i got it, nautilus is the windows explorer aequivilent for linux |
| 23:10.23 | simonrvn | laughs "that was rude?" |
| 23:10.24 | Facedown | am I not supposed to CTRL-Z out of programs? |
| 23:10.32 | Facedown | it sometimes leave them open and i can't get back to them |
| 23:10.39 | Facedown | btw, im working w/ debian etch without gui |
| 23:10.39 | CCoolty | correct, jogla |
| 23:10.40 | EmleyMoor | is still a bit slow on his Dvorak keyboard |
| 23:10.42 | Ishnu- | lol @ aequivilent |
| 23:10.48 | simonrvn | jogla: only for gnome. kdesktop is for kde. xfce has a similar app. |
| 23:11.13 | CCoolty | gnome is superiour |
| 23:11.18 | simonrvn | Facedown: ^z is fine, fg to come back. |
| 23:11.35 | Facedown | here's the thing |
| 23:11.41 | Facedown | i edited like 100 files with vi/vim |
| 23:11.42 | EmleyMoor | Facedown: ^Z generally backgrounds |
| 23:11.44 | jogla | i'm sure the developers of nautilus would be proud to hear that they created windows explorer for linux |
| 23:11.46 | Facedown | and if i do pgrep vim |
| 23:11.51 | simonrvn | CCoolty: good way to start a DE war, is make nonsense statements like that. |
| 23:11.51 | Facedown | i can get a list of those by pid |
| 23:11.53 | Facedown | so.. |
| 23:12.07 | Facedown | how can i go back to a particular instance? |
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| 23:12.32 | simonrvn | fg %XX to pick a BG job (not all shells support that) |
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| 23:12.50 | EmleyMoor | I think the job numbers would be helpful |
| 23:12.55 | Facedown | eh |
| 23:13.00 | Akuw | pipeline: i am creating various folders to avoid that |
| 23:13.03 | simonrvn | xx is your job number. doing jobs or jobs -v will show them |
| 23:13.03 | Facedown | fg %4353 for example |
| 23:13.09 | Akuw | the problem is the time it is taking |
| 23:13.14 | EmleyMoor | %blow |
| 23:13.16 | Facedown | oh i was using pid |
| 23:13.18 | Facedown | gotcha |
| 23:13.33 | Facedown | is there a way i can kill all jobs using vi/vim? |
| 23:13.37 | Facedown | like a grep kill-9 or something |
| 23:13.41 | simonrvn | applicable to only that shell instance |
| 23:13.47 | Ishnu- | Use to slay command |
| 23:13.51 | Ishnu- | Slay 1-100000 |
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| 23:13.58 | Ishnu- | It slays multiple processes |
| 23:14.05 | simonrvn | slay is overkill... killall will work |
| 23:14.09 | Facedown | err |
| 23:14.14 | Facedown | is it preferred to kill by job id or pid |
| 23:14.17 | Facedown | or does it only accept the latter |
| 23:14.23 | Ishnu- | Is there actually a slay command? |
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| 23:14.30 | Facedown | 'slay command not found' |
| 23:14.34 | Ishnu- | Aww |
| 23:14.34 | Facedown | for etch in bash |
| 23:14.43 | simonrvn | Ishnu-: yes. not part of default install |
| 23:14.52 | Ishnu- | Crap - I was just making stuff up |
| 23:14.54 | Ishnu- | Never used Debian |
| 23:14.55 | Facedown | hm, seems i dont even have killall |
| 23:14.57 | blubberdi | you can install the slay package, if you need it |
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| 23:15.11 | simonrvn | should |
| 23:15.15 | rswarbrick | Hello there. Slightly random request: Does anyone know whether the "false" stack programming language has an interpreter in debian? Google-fu is somewhat difficult with such a silly search term! |
| 23:15.28 | simonrvn | (symlinked to killall5...) |
| 23:15.29 | Facedown | oh, its 'kill all' ? |
| 23:15.32 | rswarbrick | That is, this one: http://strlen.com/false/index.html |
| 23:15.35 | simonrvn | no |
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| 23:15.39 | Facedown | 'killall' is what i tried first |
| 23:15.53 | Facedown | shit.. i just did 'killall5' |
| 23:15.56 | blubberdi | killall is in the psmisc package |
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| 23:16.04 | simonrvn | killall takes a name, not a (set of) pids |
| 23:16.44 | simonrvn | wanders off |
| 23:17.21 | Facedown | looks like it killed everything completely, rofl |
| 23:17.25 | Facedown | gotta reboot vps manually |
| 23:17.30 | Facedown | doh. |
| 23:19.00 | simonrvn | that ain't linux.... |
| 23:20.07 | SparkyFlary | which companies use Debian as their server? |
| 23:20.28 | abrotman | rswarbrick: the "false" ? |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | SparkyFlary: plenty do |
| 23:20.42 | rswarbrick | abrotman: ?? |
| 23:20.54 | simonrvn | !killall |
| 23:20.54 | dpkg | methinks killall is a bad idea on non GNU platforms, or ok on BSD, too |
| 23:20.58 | abrotman | rswarbrick: does google give you an interpreter ? |
| 23:21.01 | EmleyMoor | uptime on this machine is currently about 75% of its age |
| 23:21.12 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:21.15 | rswarbrick | Well, it seems there's a dos port linked to by the page I pointed out. |
| 23:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, one of the less inspiering factoids |
| 23:21.29 | rswarbrick | But obviously "false debian package" doesn't give much helpful! |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | ah .. missed that |
| 23:21.36 | maligor | what happens with killall on non-gnu?-) |
| 23:21.39 | simonrvn | indeed. used to be better, or the wrong one |
| 23:21.52 | maligor | iirc it doesn't exist on quite a few |
| 23:21.55 | simonrvn | maligor: kills *everything*, like Facedown just did. |
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| 23:21.58 | themill | maligor: kills all the processes for the user |
| 23:22.02 | simonrvn | solaris, for one |
| 23:22.19 | maligor | or those might've had it removed due to just that |
| 23:22.26 | maligor | they weren't my systems |
| 23:22.27 | blubberdi | simonrvn, but he used killall5, not killall. it seems he doesn't have the latter installed yet |
| 23:22.38 | simonrvn | true |
| 23:22.41 | Facedown | heh |
| 23:22.47 | Facedown | Never doing that again. |
| 23:23.14 | maligor | there's pkill too |
| 23:23.16 | simonrvn | fish breath on kitty |
| 23:23.18 | Facedown | where does one get killall? |
| 23:23.19 | rswarbrick | Hmm, thanks all anyhow. |
| 23:23.22 | rswarbrick | Bye. |
| 23:23.22 | Facedown | i tried searching for it in aptitude |
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| 23:23.27 | Facedown | nothing |
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| 23:23.30 | blubberdi | Facedown, package psmisc |
| 23:23.38 | Facedown | ah |
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| 23:23.46 | abrotman | maybe he should have waited a bit longer .. oh well |
| 23:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Facedown -about search |
| 23:23.49 | Facedown | yay! |
| 23:23.50 | MFen | i'm trying to make an index of my system's installed packages, grouped by Origin, for system recovery purposes. to do this, i'm using: |
| 23:23.55 | simonrvn | CCoolty: ok, it was a bit rude, admittedly. |
| 23:24.05 | MFen | dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}\t${Origin}' but Origin is blank all the way down. this is on ubuntu 8.04.1 |
| 23:24.10 | maligor | so what happens if you run killall as root on such a system?-) |
| 23:24.14 | maligor | does it kill init? |
| 23:24.18 | MFen | anyone know why that isn't working? does it work for you on a pure debian system? |
| 23:24.21 | simonrvn | MFen: #ubuntu |
| 23:24.33 | Facedown | killall only gives you help dialog/commands |
| 23:24.37 | Facedown | killall5 kills everything. |
| 23:24.39 | MFen | simonrvn: this is not an ubuntu-specific question, i just happen to be using ubuntu |
| 23:24.46 | Facedown | killall without args i mean |
| 23:24.49 | simonrvn | origin would be different on ubuntu, and not set by default. |
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| 23:24.57 | MFen | in fact, i'm here because i want to know if the same thing happens on debian. i can't very well ask that in #ubuntu |
| 23:25.43 | MFen | can someone just run dpkg-query the same way on your system and tell me what happens? |
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| 23:26.19 | themill | MFen: the polite thing to do, should you want help from #debian, is install debian. |
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| 23:26.58 | MFen | themill: that's a bunch of nonsense. i certainly hope the people in this channel don't feel that way, because it's not a very reasonable point of view |
| 23:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | MFen, spits out a lot of packages on Debian |
| 23:27.07 | MFen | what if my question was, "can you give me some good reasons to install debian?" |
| 23:27.21 | MFen | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, is there more than one column though? one of them should say the repository it came from |
| 23:27.24 | themill | MFen: Would you ask that question in #windows? |
| 23:27.43 | MFen | themill: what does #windows have to do with anything? |
| 23:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | MFen, no, just a lot of package names... tab-separated, it seems |
| 23:27.51 | MFen | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thanks |
| 23:28.24 | themill | MFen: ubuntu is not on topic in #debian. If you chose to install ubuntu not debian, then your questions about the tools you got from ubuntu should be asked there not here. |
| 23:28.46 | d-b | MFen: debian can do what you want has tons of packages etc. |
| 23:29.02 | MFen | themill: read my question, and tell me whether it makes sense to ask it in #ubuntu. you're just being dogmatic |
| 23:29.08 | d-b | it is older and mature. with different goals and release cycles to ubuntu. |
| 23:29.35 | MFen | i'm not looking for reasons to install debian, btw. i ran debian for years, i'm fine with my current choice. |
| 23:29.50 | d-b | MFen: ....? |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | MFen: we do not support ubuntu users here, it's not up for discussion, ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 23:29.55 | SparkyFlary | i read it makes a good server |
| 23:29.55 | MFen | i'm trying to find out if dpkg-query works as documented on any systems other than my own |
| 23:30.15 | themill | MFen: Yes, we ahve to be dogmatic. You have a different version of dpkg to the one in debian. There are differences that we no nothing about and can mean that we can't help you. Also ask yourself why we would want to help someone who has chosen not to install the distribution that we are here to support. |
| 23:30.30 | MFen | themill: i'm trying to find out what the differences are you mental midget! |
| 23:30.33 | MFen | fuck you then. |
| 23:30.33 | pipeline | MFen: not to mention, #debian, dude. It's not ##debian. Dogma's half the fun. |
| 23:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, now, it *does* make sense to go to #Debian to ask if some command gives the same behavior than under ubuntu... you're likely to find people there who run debian |
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| 23:30.43 | d-b | troll. |
| 23:30.59 | dustybin | what is the name of the package what holds, lspci and lsusb? |
| 23:30.59 | EmleyMoor | has been using Debian for something approaching 9 and a half years |
| 23:31.07 | simonrvn | useless |
| 23:31.27 | Facedown | if you list a packport in /etc/sources.list, does it get picked up by aptitude? |
| 23:31.32 | d-b | dustybin: usbutis for usb... |
| 23:31.38 | d-b | usbutils* |
| 23:31.53 | EmleyMoor | dustybin: lspci is in pciutils IIRC |
| 23:32.03 | dustybin | thanks :) |
| 23:32.04 | Facedown | backport* |
| 23:32.20 | themill | Facedown: a backport or do you mean backports.org? |
| 23:32.33 | blubberdi | Facedown, more or less, depends on how you mean that. it has a low priority by default, so packages from it won't be installed by default, unless you select them manually |
| 23:32.34 | Facedown | backports.org |
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| 23:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, and how are we feeling today? want me to change my nick? |
| 23:33.29 | themill | Facedown: if you have run aptitude update then the backport will be available, but as blubberdi said, it might not be automatically installed. e.g. aptitude -t etch-backports install foobar. |
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| 23:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, seems I'm already on his |
| 23:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, seems I'm already on his /ignore today |
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| 23:38.36 | nse | CutMeOwnThroat: I would like to have a tridimensional view of human lungs in order to correctly use my body muscles during breathe. |
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| 23:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, don't you do that automatically? |
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| 23:39.48 | nse | CutMeOwnThroat: there are some parts of lungs which people don't use often |
| 23:40.28 | nse | cancer happens in a certain overused part of the lungs. if one knows how to stress the whole then benefits happen |
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| 23:41.51 | DevilChaos | hi imhaving trouble connecting to my wireless network i have an ip of 192.168.1.52 on eth0 iface but want dhcp for my wireless connection and im having problems when i try connect to it does anyone have any tips ? |
| 23:41.51 | DevilChaos | router is dhcp enabled |
| 23:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see how a 3D image of the lung would help you there... but I guess you could look if MRI data is published somewhere and the viewing software needed |
| 23:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, on sites like e.g. here http://www.mri-tutorial.com/tutorial_software.html |
| 23:42.16 | nse | Imagine this... |
| 23:43.33 | nse | I suspect that there is reaally much of lungs in the back portion of body, so as in the bottom. If that is true than contracting back muscles would give space to the diafragma in order to better move and then better respiration motion |
| 23:43.44 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as MRI data has been recorded from real people, the chance that it's published on the internet free for download is kind of small, as it would require the permission of the imaged people |
| 23:44.45 | DevilChaos | what is starnge is i can connect through bt3 but not through debian |
| 23:44.46 | DevilChaos | so i must be missing something |
| 23:44.46 | DevilChaos | so i must be missing something? |
| 23:44.46 | DevilChaos | oops |
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| 23:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 23:46.41 | bitunique | is it possible to install a 32bit browser and java plugin on a 64bit system? |
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| 23:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | BitUnique, if you have all the needed 32bit libraries installed as well... should be |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | BitUnique: in a chroot it is |
| 23:47.47 | abrotman | you could also try nspluginwrapper |
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| 23:48.03 | themill | !java amd64 |
| 23:48.04 | dpkg | To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package. |
| 23:48.29 | BitUnique | thanks |
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| 23:49.03 | lfs-livecd | hello everybody |
| 23:49.23 | dustybin | can one install the nvidia driver using packages now on debian lenny> |
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| 23:49.31 | dustybin | nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-686 <--- this looks promising? |
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| 23:51.02 | abrotman | dustybin: you could .. try it |
| 23:51.30 | dustybin | aye ace :) |
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| 23:55.26 | BitUnique | got flash working with nsplugin-nonfree :) |
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| 23:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, you can, but only the 173 version, for the newer 177 version, you still have to dl the packages directly from the repro (or perhaps the packages are in experimental or something) |
| 23:57.17 | BitUnique | it's not perfect, but it works good enough. is chrooting more stable? |
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| 23:58.08 | karsten | dustybin: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | BitUnique, I'd think it's much more inconvenient |
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| 23:58.40 | BitUnique | to much hassle eh_? |
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