| 00:00.31 | BitUnique | oh and btw, i suffered from what sees to be a major HDD error the other day, i hard rebooted the system because of a crash, and fsck is unable to correct the errors. i also get a HDD failure warning at boot (bios related) is there a program that can check my HDD? |
| 00:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/rkhunter ] && ( ! grep -q -E '^DISABLE_TESTS=.*(hashes.*attributes|attributes.*hashes|properties)' /etc/rkhunter.conf || grep -q -E '^ENABLE_TESTS=.*(hashes|attributes|properties)' /etc/rkhunter.conf); then /usr/bin/rkhunter --propupd; fi' |
| 00:00.46 | BitUnique | its seems fine now tho. but i still get that warning at boot |
| 00:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | now why's dpkg telling me that everytime I install a packaage |
| 00:01.04 | quintale | hi |
| 00:01.12 | quintale | how are you doing? |
| 00:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | BitUnique, what filesystem |
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| 00:02.36 | dustybin | how can one install the debian multimedia keyring? |
| 00:02.37 | grul | mirk |
| 00:02.39 | BitUnique | ext3 |
| 00:03.37 | quintale | do you know something about gnome 2.24? |
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| 00:05.00 | dustybin | this gives you no indication on how to install the debian multimedia keyring grrrr |
| 00:05.03 | dustybin | http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php |
| 00:05.13 | dustybin | i could of sworn you could apt-get it in the past |
| 00:05.16 | BitUnique | CutMeOwnThroat: ext3. sorry |
| 00:06.08 | sajes | dustybin: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !multimedia keyring |
| 00:06.19 | dpkg | [multimedia keyring] apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 00:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, slow |
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| 00:08.26 | dustybin | Reading state information... Done |
| 00:08.27 | dustybin | E: Couldn't find package debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:08.42 | dustybin | sajes: i have the multi media repos, ill try changing htem |
| 00:09.30 | dustybin | sajes: its ok, it was a typo! |
| 00:09.48 | BitUnique | CutMeOwnThroat: did you have a sugestion for me or? |
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| 00:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | BitUnique, normal ext2 fsck should do this.... but on boot, fsck should *never* be called for a journaling fs - you just replay the journal - but you said you get messages about fsck? |
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| 00:14.00 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.06 | theholyduck | some sort of corruption |
| 00:14.14 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: I disagree with 'never', but it shouldn't necessarily happen every unclean boot |
| 00:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 00:15.12 | BitUnique | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it's not a fsck error. it's at boot before grub. it sais SMART HDD something something you should backup and replace your HDD a HDD failure may be iminent. fsck is not able to correct the problems. so im wondering what program i can run to try and fix it. if i can fix it at all. i tend to get alot of I/O error |
| 00:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think if it's serious enough that the journal can't deal with it, it's probably serious enough that fsck on ext2 would have asked you to do it manually |
| 00:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as such, it should do so now |
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| 00:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !SMART |
| 00:16.15 | dpkg | from memory, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 00:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
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| 00:16.49 | BitUnique | smartmontools eh |
| 00:16.56 | \amethyst | BitUnique: you can run the "swap in a good disk and restore from backup" program to fix it |
| 00:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they don't "test" your disk |
| 00:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | they just read the smart information |
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| 00:17.17 | \amethyst | they can direct the disk to do a self-test |
| 00:17.21 | \amethyst | but they can't fix anything |
| 00:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as it seems that's telling you your disk dies |
| 00:17.36 | BitUnique | yeh :\ |
| 00:17.42 | BitUnique | so its unfixable then |
| 00:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | a new disk fixes that |
| 00:17.57 | BitUnique | hehehe |
| 00:18.09 | BitUnique | i actually got a extra laptop hdd laying arround :) |
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| 00:20.03 | phorce1 | if you're getting SMART errors back it up and replace it --- *yesterday* |
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| 00:22.41 | BitUnique | well, problem is my extra HDD is a backup HDD :P |
| 00:22.57 | BitUnique | i have to copy it over to a another computer |
| 00:23.12 | BitUnique | wish i had 100mbit fullduplex now |
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| 00:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, yesterday, doesn't that mean you have to move with more-than-lightspeed? |
| 00:24.40 | BitUnique | time travel is theoretical tho. isnt it :P |
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| 00:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, ask me again the day before yesterday |
| 00:25.42 | BitUnique | ok, talk to you yesterday then |
| 00:25.45 | jpinx | anyone know how to play .flv files downloaded from youtube? |
| 00:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, mplayer |
| 00:25.56 | BitUnique | vlc? |
| 00:26.10 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: cat /etc/resolv.conf | grep nameserver |
| 00:26.10 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm -- isn't working for me.... |
| 00:26.25 | streuner | jpinx: xine |
| 00:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, install w32codecs from debian-multimedia |
| 00:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner?? |
| 00:27.07 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: ok - looking |
| 00:27.09 | jpinx | thanks |
| 00:27.14 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: just do that |
| 00:27.19 | streuner | and show me :-) |
| 00:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! my nameservers are secret |
| 00:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, what on earth for, anyways? |
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| 00:28.55 | enouf | dpkg: SMART is also http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 00:28.55 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 00:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, 129.105.14.7 129.105.116.2 and 129.105.49.1 - and I doubt they're for the general public |
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| 00:29.45 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yay refused! |
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| 00:29.51 | enouf | jpinx: /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 00:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, so why is everyone suddenly so interested in my nameservers? |
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| 00:30.31 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: NFC |
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| 00:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | National Finance Center? |
| 00:31.05 | streuner | !nfc |
| 00:31.06 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 00:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Near Field Communication? |
| 00:31.36 | enouf | then just something like; ~/bin/youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCeusMfR9U |
| 00:31.56 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: guess! |
| 00:32.13 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: both of my DNS-Servers arent working... |
| 00:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, you're a scipt-kiddie and found a new script to crash dns-servers |
| 00:32.42 | streuner | you smoke too much crap, that where paranoia coming from :-) |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | streuner: there are open ones available .. ask google |
| 00:32.47 | jpinx | enouf: ok |
| 00:32.50 | streuner | abrotman: dude |
| 00:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !opendns |
| 00:33.02 | dpkg | it has been said that opendns is a service online that allows faster and more secure dns addresses so that people can browse the internet safer and faster, or http://www.opendns.com |
| 00:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 00:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you sucked on this |
| 00:33.18 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:33.38 | beardy | !suck CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:33.38 | dpkg | sucks CutMeOwnThroat's lips |
| 00:33.40 | streuner | amset:/# ping -c1 google.de |
| 00:33.40 | streuner | ping: unknown host google.de |
| 00:34.04 | BitUnique | baawwwww |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | streuner: you made it here ... |
| 00:34.23 | enouf | $ ping -c1 google.de |
| 00:34.23 | enouf | PING google.de (72.14.221.104) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 00:34.26 | beardy | !resolver |
| 00:34.27 | enouf | works here |
| 00:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 for opendns |
| 00:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | blushes |
| 00:34.50 | streuner | sure, out of the irc-logs, server-logs told me the IP of irc.freenode.net ... |
| 00:34.52 | enouf | wait, what's the 4.1.1.1 ones? |
| 00:35.09 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 00:35.26 | beardy | 64 bytes from fg-in-f104.google.com (72.14.221.104) |
| 00:35.33 | beardy | !listvals 4.1.1.1 |
| 00:35.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4.1.1.1' by value returned no results. |
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| 00:35.49 | enouf | streuner: you shouldn't need root either |
| 00:35.57 | Piet | 4.1.1.1 still works? they had been closed for some time |
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| 00:36.03 | enouf | !define 4.1.1.1 |
| 00:36.14 | enouf | awe .. |
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| 00:37.20 | Piet | dig localhost @4.1.1.1 = timeout |
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| 00:41.21 | beardy | Used to be in fixresolvconf.. |
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| 00:42.55 | enouf | $ whois 4.1.1.1 |
| 00:43.09 | enouf | NameServer: NS1.LEVEL3.NET |
| 00:43.09 | enouf | NameServer: NS2.LEVEL3.NET |
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| 00:45.12 | phorce1 | there's also 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | onetwothreefourfivesixseveneightnineteneleventwelve! |
| 00:46.56 | enouf | haha http://spywriter.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/is-the-nsa-watching-you/ |
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| 00:47.09 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 00:47.39 | beardy | Get in there with you! |
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| 00:48.03 | beardy | kicks enouf to ot. |
| 00:48.41 | d-b | enouf: ? |
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| 00:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | today is ot-day |
| 00:49.44 | quentusrex | How do I find any where the text 'mycustomtext' is located in a directory of files? |
| 00:50.04 | beardy | quentusrex: man grep |
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| 00:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rephrase |
| 00:50.30 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: info grep |
| 00:50.39 | beardy | walks. |
| 00:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !smack beardy |
| 00:50.40 | dpkg | smacks beardy upside the head. |
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| 00:52.18 | Tim-S | hey, my root partition is completely full, and I have no idea why. If I remember right, I made it fairly large (5-8G). How can I trouble shoot |
| 00:52.50 | blackbox | rm -rf |
| 00:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tim-S, 1st remove /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb to get some space |
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| 00:53.18 | stradatech | http://www.visp.net/careers/jobid_1003.php |
| 00:53.22 | stradatech | job for someone |
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| 00:54.16 | Tim-S | CutMeOwnThroat I have var on a seperate partition |
| 00:54.21 | hikenboot_ | hello all anyone know where I can find directions for installing nvidia fx5200 video card under debian without using the frame buffer driver? I cant seem to get nvidia-glx to work on my install |
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| 00:54.27 | Spreadsheet | hello im using lenny |
| 00:54.35 | Spreadsheet | is having 283 normal? |
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| 00:54.57 | abrotman | blackbox: do not give destructive commands |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | stradatech: don't do that here |
| 00:55.20 | Spreadsheet | 283 updates |
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| 00:55.32 | abrotman | Spreadsheet: depends what you have installed and how long since your last dist-upgrade |
| 00:55.43 | Spreadsheet | it was a few days ago |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | still depends on what you have installed |
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| 00:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tim-S, generally, and if it was /home/, I'd suggest gdmap |
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| 00:56.57 | Spreadsheet | abrotman: normal stuff |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | Tim-S: you can start by doing an `apt-get clean` and removing old logs |
| 00:57.08 | abrotman | Spreadsheet: then i guess it's normal for you .. |
| 00:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tim-S, but as / should only contain packages... well, guess you have to remove some software :) (I think generally if you install all needed things you go to around 10GB or so) |
| 00:57.35 | Tim-S | hrm |
| 00:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or of course more when you install lots of things) |
| 00:58.42 | mbroeker | hikenboot, aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig (works for x86) (they are in non-free) |
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| 01:00.31 | mbroeker | hikenboot, the 173.xx.yy driver is the legacy one for your (old) card, the 177.xx.yy driver works only for newer cards... that's all what you have to kow to get it to work. |
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| 01:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker, nonono! "dinner first, then sex!" |
| 01:05.08 | quentusrex | Is there a way to replace all text that matches 'mycustomtext' in a directory with the text 'myothercustomtext' ??? |
| 01:05.11 | mbroeker | thanks. i will keep it in mind, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:05.29 | hikenboot_ | mbroeker, where does the driver version come into play? |
| 01:05.29 | quentusrex | I'm moving a website from one domain to another and there are thousands of links to the old domain. |
| 01:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, you mean in all files? |
| 01:05.41 | quentusrex | CutMeOwnThroat, yes. |
| 01:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, and all sub-directories... |
| 01:05.51 | quentusrex | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 01:05.53 | hikenboot_ | am i supposed to download and compile the source for it? |
| 01:05.55 | mbroeker | hikenboot, the current lenny driver is 173. don't worry |
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| 01:06.07 | mbroeker | hikenboot, aptitude show <package> for more infos |
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| 01:06.26 | abrotman | quentusrex: sed ? |
| 01:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, something along the lines of find . -type f -exec 'sed -i s/mytext/newtext/g' would do it (note you have to escape any / or other characters that are special to sed) |
| 01:07.06 | quentusrex | Thanks, I'll try it |
| 01:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker, was just saying, because you told him, that's *all* he has to know |
| 01:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, man find ; man sed |
| 01:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, and man regexp |
| 01:08.35 | hikenboot_ | mbroeker, deb http://nonus.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free? |
| 01:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, and somewhere like #bash is probably a better place to ask, as this is ... a minimal form of scripting (and they probably have a ready-made example in their faq) |
| 01:08.39 | quentusrex | CutMeOwnThroat, find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 01:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, ops, forgot the + at the end |
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| 01:09.26 | quentusrex | ? |
| 01:09.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | are people still using non-us? :| |
| 01:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.59 | \amethyst | no quotes |
| 01:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 01:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well sure quotes, but |
| 01:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | more typos than text in it |
| 01:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 01:10.29 | \amethyst | also {} before the + |
| 01:10.37 | \amethyst | find . -type f -exec sed -i s/mytext/newtext/g {} + |
| 01:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 01:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it show that I'm kinda tired? |
| 01:10.48 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 01:11.58 | quentusrex | Thanks, both of you |
| 01:12.02 | quentusrex | that worked perfectly. |
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| 01:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, anyways, I just put those in deliberately to make sure he reads the manpages :-P |
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| 01:15.29 | SG217 | hello all plz join #kalk thx |
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| 01:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 01:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | # aptitude |
| 01:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems aptitude full-upgrade wasn't such a good carreer move |
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| 01:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
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| 01:25.05 | BitUnique | in pidgin, is see some as away and some idle. does idel mean that they are actually not using the computer at all? what gives? |
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| 01:25.48 | Lagbolt | BitUnique, depends on how they have their idle set. could be set to pidgin use or system use. so you really dont know what they are up to |
| 01:26.02 | abrotman | or if they use 'away' at all |
| 01:26.15 | Lagbolt | true true |
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| 01:28.19 | BitUnique | so if a person is using msn not pidgin, and they have away turned off. they should become idle? |
| 01:28.47 | BitUnique | becuase as far as i know, msn does not have the option to chose between system and msn use |
| 01:28.54 | enouf | see ##windows |
| 01:29.21 | BitUnique | enouf: are you saying you are confined to only one os? :P |
| 01:29.34 | BitUnique | or past experience anyways |
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| 01:31.06 | \amethyst | BitUnique: no, but this channel is |
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| 01:31.35 | thrashold | In which packet is 'strings'? |
| 01:32.04 | \amethyst | thrashold: dlocate -S `which strings` here says binutils |
| 01:32.10 | BitUnique | \amethyst: so discussing msn isnt allowed eighter then? as it is developed my microsoft? |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | BitUnique: we have no idea how the microsoft MSN client works |
| 01:32.45 | thrashold | \amethyst: Thank you very much :) |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | !tell thrashold about search |
| 01:32.47 | \amethyst | BitUnique: well, it is off-topic... and you're more likely to find people who use it and can answer your question in ##windows |
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| 01:33.11 | enouf | BitUnique: no, i'm saying you have a ##windowsweenie issue |
| 01:33.19 | thrashold | abrotman: What search? |
| 01:33.39 | \amethyst | thrashold: apt-file search /usr/bin/strings |
| 01:33.47 | streuner__ | enouf, beardy: well, the IP OF google helped..., thanks |
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| 01:34.24 | thrashold | oh, thanks again :) |
| 01:34.43 | enouf | streuner__: cool |
| 01:34.48 | BitUnique | but you all agree that if the msn client has its away feature turned off, then the gaim client will still show them as system idle? |
| 01:34.58 | jaggz | anyone here use an aiptek drawing tablet? |
| 01:35.18 | BitUnique | it would be the only ligocal explanation to why i see them as idle |
| 01:35.23 | BitUnique | logical* |
| 01:35.24 | \amethyst | thrashold: or if you don't know what directory it's in, apt-file -x search '/strings$' (-x means regexp) |
| 01:35.30 | enouf | BitUnique: nobody cares about msn |
| 01:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, not even Microsoft? |
| 01:35.46 | enouf | nope |
| 01:35.54 | Supaplex | !pal msn |
| 01:35.55 | dpkg | points at msn and laughs uproariously |
| 01:35.56 | enouf | !anyone know about msn |
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| 01:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well done |
| 01:36.18 | enouf | !anyone use msn |
| 01:36.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses msn, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:36.21 | \amethyst | BitUnique: #pidgin might be more likely to know than us |
| 01:36.55 | \amethyst | BitUnique: though it might be offtopic there, too, it does at least sound like a compatibility question |
| 01:37.20 | BitUnique | all right, i'll take my question else where |
| 01:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 01:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if there/s a #/dev/null |
| 01:38.20 | BitUnique | nope |
| 01:38.27 | BitUnique | i've checked :P |
| 01:38.32 | BitUnique | long time ago thp |
| 01:38.33 | BitUnique | tho |
| 01:39.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is! |
| 01:39.15 | BitUnique | i stand corrected |
| 01:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | only a guy called "unreal" in there, which seems quite fitting |
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| 01:41.21 | BitUnique | just for shits and gigles. what is you gurus opinion on slackware? |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | how about asking a Debian question |
| 01:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 01:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is your opinion on Debian? |
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| 01:42.48 | erawfish | a support question? |
| 01:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is your supported opinion on Debian? |
| 01:43.14 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 01:43.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 01:43.15 | erawfish | CutMeOwnThroat: don't |
| 01:43.32 | BitUnique | my opinion on any distro that comes with a package manager, is that it might be great for those who know linux well enough to get arround most things. but if you actually wanna learn linux, slackware might be better |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | BitUnique: we don't care .. go tell #slackware |
| 01:43.58 | Supaplex | mmm doesn't slackware have that now? |
| 01:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | erawfish, that's a strange opinion.... but I see you're not talkative |
| 01:44.49 | erawfish | trolll elsewhere punk |
| 01:45.20 | BitUnique | i mean debian is great! its the best there is! rawk on! |
| 01:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice |
| 01:45.47 | enouf | my opinion is that your opinion sucks |
| 01:46.01 | BitUnique | the best thing about debian, is that it supports eve-online ^^ |
| 01:46.35 | BitUnique | yes, actually, my opinion usually does suck. coz im kinda to ecsentric for most people :P |
| 01:46.45 | Seb | anyone know of a command-line tool that can check on remote IMAP mailboxes ? |
| 01:46.52 | enouf | an esoteric eccentric? |
| 01:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about this - and fsck you era, if you dont have an answer - I did an upgrade yesterday and it told me to get new pine source packages to build new pine, which I did - today I saw there were still packages kept back and so did dist-upgrade - and now it tells me *again* there'd be a new pine - why? |
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| 01:47.22 | BitUnique | enouf: yes thats what i ment. my english isnt as good as i would want it to be |
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| 01:47.47 | abrotman | Seb: mailcheck ? |
| 01:48.21 | Seb | abrotman: awesome; I guess searching for "biff imap" with apt-cache was suboptimal |
| 01:48.25 | Seb | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | Seb: apt-cache search imap check ? |
| 01:49.00 | Seb | abrotman: somehow I thought including "biff" as a search keyword would be the way to go, but I now realize it wasn't |
| 01:49.38 | enouf | s/biff/happy |
| 01:49.38 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: dist-upgrade doesn't know much about packages you've built from source, and installed with dpkg |
| 01:49.41 | enouf | :-) |
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| 01:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why does apt-get -f install want to do nothing, but aptitude -f install wants to do this: 2 packages upgraded, 11 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 8 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 01:50.24 | enouf | Recommends? |
| 01:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seb, I thought the tracker contains the version - so whenever there's a new source package with a new version, you get a new tracker with a higher version |
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| 01:50.48 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: because aptitude is more apt at resolving conflicts than apt-get is |
| 01:50.51 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: tracker ? |
| 01:51.06 | Seb | wonders if he's taht much out of the loop with aptitude/apt-get's new abilities |
| 01:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seb, tracker-package ... you h ave the pine package and a tracker-package in debian |
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| 01:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, aptitude -R -f install does the same |
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| 01:51.50 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: no tracker-package available here |
| 01:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seb, it's not a new feature... it's just how source-only packages are handled (and I've ever only seen it used with pine) |
| 01:51.54 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: well, aptitude enables you to mark specific pkgs in various ways that apt doesn't |
| 01:52.11 | enouf | plus there's safe-upgrade and full-upgrade now |
| 01:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seb, apt-cache show pine-tracker |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | which are the same as old 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 01:53.35 | enouf | and who knows wtf your various /etc/apt/* dirs/files contain |
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| 01:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... aptitude full-upgrade also reports 2 broken packages and wants to do all kinds of stuff, after apt-get dist-upgrade was successful |
| 01:54.43 | enouf | with Etch. you were better off using one or the other - not so much so anymore on Lenny - i still use apt solely though - it's comfy |
| 01:55.21 | enouf | s/comfy/comfycozy :-) |
| 01:55.57 | enouf | how's your pinning, and conf.d/* and preferences and hold and ... |
| 01:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude messes around toomuch for my taste, I think |
| 01:56.49 | enouf | you sure you're not on *buntu? |
| 01:56.52 | enouf | hides |
| 01:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !smack2 enouf |
| 01:57.07 | dpkg | beats the living hamstercrap out of enouf. |
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| 01:57.16 | Seb | abrotman: argh, no SSL support |
| 01:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no hiding from dpkg :) |
| 01:57.31 | enouf | heh |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | Seb: guess you should have specified that |
| 01:57.55 | Seb | abrotman: guess I should have |
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| 01:58.31 | enouf | vaguely wonders if a CLI browser with ssl support would suffice - heh |
| 01:58.34 | BitUnique | !upgrade |
| 01:58.34 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
| 01:58.40 | Gruelius | if im making a user to run one program all the time in the background,are there any things i should set for security? like no shell or whatever it is lol |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | debtags search protocol::imap .. maybe there's also one for ssl ? |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | !tell BitUnique about msg the bot |
| 01:59.08 | Seb | abrotman: that's one thing I need a zsh alias for... I cna never seem to remember about debtags |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | but .. they're at the bottom of all package descriptions ? |
| 01:59.27 | BitUnique | i cant do anyting right : \ |
| 01:59.30 | BitUnique | slashed wrists |
| 02:00.20 | Seb | abrotman: nah, I mean the command itself to search for them |
| 02:01.26 | Seb | abrotman: anyway, I think i will try to leverage mutt for this particular task |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | fetchmail ? |
| 02:01.26 | Seb | abrotman: didn't know it could do imap, will look into it |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | i thought it could .. perhaps not |
| 02:01.42 | Seb | abrotman: also, I realized trying to limit the number of places I store IMAP passwords in is actually a valuable goal :> |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | you could just forward your mail to one account? |
| 02:03.02 | abrotman | getmail ? |
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| 02:04.07 | Seb | abrotman: for that password comment, i meant ialready have my IMAP passwd stored in a .muttrc, so if I could get mutt to do this job, then I wouldn't have to store it some place else too |
| 02:04.12 | Seb | abrotman: getmail looks interesting |
| 02:04.19 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 02:06.41 | BitUnique | full dist upgrade concidered risky? |
| 02:06.46 | BitUnique | coz im doing it |
| 02:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | BitUnique, missed the arteries, eh? |
| 02:07.26 | Tim-S | my Disk Usage Analyzer says that my root partition is full, but apt still installs software |
| 02:07.44 | BitUnique | CutMeOwnThroat: nah everything seems to be running smooth thus far |
| 02:08.22 | Seb | Tim-S: /usr and/or /var on different partitions than / probably |
| 02:08.32 | BitUnique | having a broken HDD is kinda a motivator for doing stupid things :P |
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| 02:09.01 | Tim-S | Seb: they, so why would my root suddently get full? |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | Tim-S: did you run apt-get clean or get rid of old logs yet? |
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| 02:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, apt-get clean doesn't do anything with a separate /var |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know that he has a separate /var/ ? |
| 02:10.23 | Tim-S | does debian keep the old kernals when it is upgraded |
| 02:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes - becase I suggested the manual equivalent of apt-get clean 3 lines above your suggestion and he told me |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | Tim-S: paste the output of `df -h` in a pastebin |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i suggested it an hour ago! |
| 02:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes, I know |
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| 02:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, see, my memory isn't going as fast as I sometimes thought |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | Tim-S: it depends on what they are named when you upgrade the kernel |
| 02:11.23 | Tim-S | http://pastebin.com/m4e6419c7 |
| 02:11.51 | abrotman | seems to recall Tim-S said he made a 5GB / ? |
| 02:12.07 | Tim-S | yeah Tim-S was being retarded |
| 02:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tim-S, errr... your / is only 250 MB big? |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | Tim-S: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz* .. pastebin |
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| 02:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, around 5GB or so is my recollection also |
| 02:12.37 | Tim-S | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that should be all that is necessary since it is essentially just /boot |
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| 02:12.53 | abrotman | and /bin/ and /sbin/ and /etc/ .. and a few others |
| 02:13.21 | Tim-S | I updated the previous paste |
| 02:13.35 | Tim-S | hrm, I feel like I just used the default layout via the installer though |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | uhm .. it's still df -h |
| 02:13.47 | Supaplex | how do I have cyrus21-pop3/imap authenticate to pam? It seems to be trying sasl. |
| 02:13.57 | Tim-S | abrotman: the ls is at the bottom |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | not for me |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | yay new one~! |
| 02:14.36 | Tim-S | you got it? |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | Tim-S: you can remove the -18- if you're not using it |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | erm .. .18 |
| 02:14.58 | Tim-S | yeah I'm not |
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| 02:16.04 | Tim-S | well that freed up 2MB |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | so .. dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | or be impatient and not wait for help ... |
| 02:16.46 | Tim-S | sorry, I just rmed it :-/ |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | that's just silly |
| 02:17.19 | Tim-S | are there other things that need to be removed? |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | that's why you don't just rm things |
| 02:17.48 | Tim-S | can I force dpkg to act as if it was installed |
| 02:18.16 | abrotman | just try to remove the package |
| 02:18.40 | Tim-S | ok, sorry for jumping the gun on that one |
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| 02:20.09 | Tim-S | seemed to work fine, but rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64': Directory not empty. It is safe to mantually remove that? |
| 02:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | look what's in it |
| 02:21.09 | Tim-S | build/ misc/ |
| 02:21.18 | euzao | !vmware |
| 02:21.18 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | since the kernel isn't there any more .. don't see why not |
| 02:21.29 | euzao | vmware-package |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !tell euzao about msg the bot |
| 02:21.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, do you have some type of macro for that? |
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| 02:22.12 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:22.45 | dustybin | ive just placed a manually created script inside init.d, what command must one execute to make sure that script starts at boottime? |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about run at startup |
| 02:23.19 | dustybin | update-rc.d thats the git :) |
| 02:24.31 | Tim-S | thanks all for your help :-) |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | Tim-S: FWIW .. your /usr/ is filling up also |
| 02:25.52 | Tim-S | abrotman: yeah... |
| 02:26.03 | Supaplex | stabs imapd |
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| 02:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tim-S, that's why many people (including me) just make one partition for everything :) then you can't misjudge... or of course there's lvm |
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| 02:27.40 | Tim-S | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I told the debian installer just to put everything on a seperate partition, because I figured it would be a good experience learning how to manage them :-p |
| 02:27.49 | Tim-S | In hindsight, LVM probably woul have saved a lot of headaches |
| 02:29.56 | Tim-S | I appreciate the help though |
| 02:30.24 | theholyduck | Tim-S, :) |
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| 02:30.34 | theholyduck | well the best solution in my mind |
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| 02:30.47 | theholyduck | is 1 for home. 1 for root and potentially 1 for var |
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| 02:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | theholyduck, tmp! that would be my 1st choice before /var (assuming /var/tmp links there) |
| 02:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but in practice mixing it in together with the rest seems also ok |
| 02:33.58 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, well yeah |
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| 02:34.03 | theholyduck | i usualyl dont bother with var and tmp |
| 02:34.05 | phorce1 | has ended up with some REALLY ugly link farms after making /usr and/or /var too small |
| 02:34.14 | theholyduck | and lvm. |
| 02:34.17 | theholyduck | ALWAYS lvm |
| 02:34.29 | theholyduck | lvm has made my life easier |
| 02:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | theholyduck, same here |
| 02:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I don't bother with _all_ of it :) |
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| 02:35.05 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, well a /home is necesary |
| 02:35.24 | theholyduck | having a 690gb root is out of the qeustion |
| 02:35.27 | theholyduck | *question |
| 02:35.49 | theholyduck | not to mention what would i do with the rest of my 4.1tb of hardrives? |
| 02:35.56 | theholyduck | thus /home |
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| 02:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course home |
| 02:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have to trash your system, you can keep home |
| 02:37.11 | phorce1 | now usually just uses separate BIG drives (complete drives) rather than partitioning. 250G / (with /home also on that drive) and a separate drive for data with links into /home as necessary |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | phorce1: why not LVM ? |
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| 02:38.24 | theholyduck | abrotman, well multiple hardrive lvm arrays are risky |
| 02:38.33 | phorce1 | abrotman: I go brain dead too often. I played with LVM once ... once. And lost everything on all of the drives I had it scattered across |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | theholyduck: any more so than doing links ? |
| 02:38.58 | theholyduck | abrotman, yes :P |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:39.08 | theholyduck | if 1 hardrive fails when you're doing links |
| 02:39.15 | theholyduck | then that hardrive die |
| 02:39.16 | theholyduck | with lvm. |
| 02:39.23 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.33 | theholyduck | and fsck all your partitions |
| 02:39.33 | theholyduck | etc |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | less enter! |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | theholyduck: sure, but you have to manage it all yourself |
| 02:39.49 | theholyduck | abrotman, i like to hit the enter key |
| 02:40.05 | theholyduck | abrotman, well i just did the major linking |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | and depending what you link to the other drive .. it could be just as bad |
| 02:40.25 | theholyduck | abrotman, softlinks obviously. |
| 02:40.30 | theholyduck | softlinks doesnt hurt :P |
| 02:40.32 | theholyduck | well usually |
| 02:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | theholyduck, 1st type a long line then, then hit enter multiple times in a row :-P |
| 02:40.53 | theholyduck | abrotman, i used to do the linking thingy |
| 02:41.02 | theholyduck | i had /mnt/misc0-5 |
| 02:41.12 | theholyduck | subfolders in those drives |
| 02:41.16 | theholyduck | anime, music, manga, etc |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | stops reading all the different lines |
| 02:41.40 | theholyduck | then a cron job linking the contents of all in the anime's into ~/anime |
| 02:41.41 | theholyduck | etc |
| 02:42.06 | theholyduck | once 1 drive filled up. you just started filling up the next. |
| 02:42.42 | theholyduck | its not the most elegant solution, but it works. |
| 02:42.56 | enouf | wow .. all you ORANGE people! ugh! |
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| 03:02.33 | hikenboot_ | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig <<--ends with the error cant load module "type1" module not found |
| 03:03.01 | manuka | hi all, quick apt question I have a setup that is saying it wants to remove loads of packages I don't want removed when I run an apt-get -f install. how to I force it to stop? |
| 03:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hikenboot_, that's an unrelated error |
| 03:03.39 | Saz|Laptop | why is it that mdadm is resyncing my raid devices all of a sudden |
| 03:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | manuka, don't accept the solution and let it come up with another one? |
| 03:03.47 | hikenboot_ | CutMeOwnThroat, can you explain what you mean |
| 03:03.48 | Saz|Laptop | could there be a possible drive failure imminent? |
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| 03:03.59 | Saz|Laptop | i synced when i formatted my drive |
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| 03:04.11 | enouf | Saz|Laptop: see /etc/cron.*/mdadm |
| 03:04.21 | enouf | Saz|Laptop: als /etc/default/mdadm |
| 03:04.54 | Saz|Laptop | oh i see |
| 03:05.17 | Saz|Laptop | i guess you dont notice it often if you dont add/remove a lot of data from your drive |
| 03:05.26 | Saz|Laptop | but i transferred my entire server over |
| 03:05.38 | esthar | Hi I had dualboot Debian/Windows XP set up fine each OS on different HDDs and just recently my first partition on the Windows HDD got remarked as an Extended one for whatever reason: |
| 03:05.41 | esthar | like this: /dev/sdc1 2 914 7333672+ 5 Extended |
| 03:05.43 | esthar | and so /dev/sdc5 2 914 7333641 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:05.45 | esthar | which is the same thing. |
| 03:05.47 | esthar | But that's where Windows is! |
| 03:05.49 | esthar | So GRUB has no idea how to boot it. |
| 03:06.03 | esthar | Hopefully this could involve a switch in the partition table and then it would work. |
| 03:06.08 | esthar | I'd love to not have to reinstall WIndows |
| 03:06.12 | manuka | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, not sure quite what you mean 'n' will just abort. How to I get it to give me options? |
| 03:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hikenboot_, iirc the error you mention is a non-fatal X error - so whatever your problem is, the error is most probably unrelated |
| 03:07.17 | hikenboot_ | never mind problem solved |
| 03:07.22 | hikenboot_ | my stupidity |
| 03:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | manuka, aptitude asks you "accept this solution?" - just say no and let it suggest a different one |
| 03:07.43 | enouf | esthar: use cfdisk and change your partition ID for your winpoop |
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| 03:08.16 | enouf | esthar: ext'd and it |
| 03:08.25 | manuka | CutMeOwnThroat: ok I was running apt-get... will try that |
| 03:08.36 | enouf | esthar: an ext'd and it's logical could very well be the exact same cylinders |
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| 03:09.10 | enouf | esthar: Example; /dev/hdc2 1276 3188 15366172+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 03:09.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.28 | esthar | enouf: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends after end-of-disk |
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| 03:09.58 | enouf | i mean, i'm explaining why what you posted is not necessarily wrong - we need more info |
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| 03:10.44 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242847 |
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| 03:12.11 | enouf | esthar: dude, that's some nonsensical layout .. but still , nothing is really wrong there, except maybe the Start 2 should be 1 |
| 03:12.18 | enouf | fdisk -lu |
| 03:12.27 | Lagbolt | is there a way to mount a usb drive such that it does not appear as a removable drive? so i could use a usb drive for /home and not have home and the USBdrive appear on the desktop? |
| 03:12.45 | esthar | enouf: Do you want me to pastbin the output? |
| 03:12.52 | enouf | esthar: sure |
| 03:12.59 | esthar | Honestly I don't know what mussed up the partition tables on this hdd |
| 03:13.03 | esthar | but something did |
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| 03:13.26 | enouf | Lagbolt: haha ... hide your icons man |
| 03:13.36 | esthar | and now what should've been the first, primary partition with windows on it (5-7GB or /dev/sdc1) is now somehow an extended partition |
| 03:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, a lot of fonts got excessively small after the update to lenny |
| 03:13.47 | esthar | with the actual data in /dev/sdc5 |
| 03:14.07 | Lagbolt | enouf, :( was hoping for a better solution |
| 03:14.22 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242850 |
| 03:14.22 | enouf | esthar: sdx5...15...whatever are always Logicals within an Ext'd |
| 03:14.24 | phorce1 | is still trying to figure out how to hide the icons in gnome. He wants an EMPTY desktop |
| 03:14.25 | manuka | CutMeOwnThroat: that worked earlier. cheers |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | don't run nautilus |
| 03:14.40 | enouf | it's a snap in kde |
| 03:14.42 | enouf | runs |
| 03:14.58 | Lagbolt | abrotman, using xfce :) |
| 03:14.59 | TravisBarker | I need my key signed by someone in South West Missouri USA and nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php shows the nearest offering to be in St Lewis (6 hours drive) and im _never_ on that side of the state. I need suggestions please |
| 03:15.01 | esthar | enouf: Yeah bit how did my primary partition end up as an extended in the partition table? |
| 03:15.03 | enouf | phorce1: try the various gconf-editor crap |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | Lagbolt: not you |
| 03:15.13 | enouf | esthar: it isn't |
| 03:15.13 | Lagbolt | oh sorry |
| 03:15.31 | xlotlu | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like a change of DPI |
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| 03:15.36 | enouf | esthar: you have one Primary on that disk - /dev/sdc2 * 915 30394 236797864 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:15.47 | phorce1 | enouf: I've poked around a bit and not seen it. What sucks is that it is ridiculously simple to do in Winblows |
| 03:16.39 | esthar | I know but that's not how I set it up! |
| 03:16.39 | amphi | phorce1: it's ridiculously simple not to use gnome ;) |
| 03:16.51 | kingsley | How would one search for the string "++" in vim? |
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| 03:17.05 | abrotman | kingsley: ask #vim ? |
| 03:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, mmm... there wouldn't be a per-application way to change this in xresources or so? It's pretty ok to have (nearly) unreadbly small fonts on many menues... (only becomes a problem when they are really unreadable, as in some apps) |
| 03:17.10 | xlotlu | amphi: it's ridiculously simple not to use x :) |
| 03:17.20 | amphi | xlotlu: that too |
| 03:17.27 | phorce1 | amphi: it installed when I selected "desktop". I got used to it. I'd have to learn new stuff if I got rid of it. |
| 03:18.05 | xlotlu | CutMeOwnThroat: no, DPI is global. but your DE should allow you to change font sizes for dofferent things.. |
| 03:18.08 | amphi | phorce1: it can't be that hard to find the nautilus setting in gconf-editor |
| 03:18.14 | enouf | esthar: you removed and juggled your partitions about .. now listen tje "Start 2" equates to Cylinders, in the fdisk -lu output it's "Start 63" for Normal .. your sdc1 is 16065 .. i suggest you go grab http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ and try to recover |
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| 03:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | my DE? |
| 03:18.47 | phorce1 | I'm actually inside an xterm about 90% of he time even when in X but it's nice to have a clicky email program since I have 30+ accounts |
| 03:18.50 | enouf | esthar: otherwise, reboot into some WindowsCD or something and see if chkdsk can help .. but that's your choice |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | phorce1: so just don't run nautilus ? |
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| 03:20.20 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242854 |
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| 03:21.23 | phorce1 | abrotman: I've considered it but I have to figure out what else nautilus does that I actually use. But I *never* click an icon on the desktop |
| 03:21.29 | enouf | phorce1: haha http://gtweakui.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 03:21.49 | kingsley | How would one search for the string "++" in less? |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | kingsley: ask #vim ? |
| 03:21.55 | hatter | when i install etch and use s/w raid, the install puts grub on only one of the drives, if it doesnt boot, how do i tell which drive has the correct mbr ? |
| 03:22.04 | abrotman | phorce1: that's probably most of what you'd notice |
| 03:22.07 | enouf | http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/hide-partition-icons-on-gnome-desktops-316179.php |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | phorce1: actually .. let me look at seomthing |
| 03:22.28 | esthar | enouf: The results of the scan were correct! |
| 03:22.32 | esthar | but it died? |
| 03:23.21 | abrotman | phorce1: there is a --no-desktop option for nautilus |
| 03:23.55 | enouf | esthar: it seems so basically - do this; "xxd -l 1024 /dev/sdc1" and pastebin it |
| 03:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, \ |
| 03:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, \+\+ |
| 03:24.12 | enouf | esthar: oh - and do /dev/sdc |
| 03:25.01 | phorce1 | abrotman: duhh. Oh crap. I never even thought to check the command line options for nautilus because it starts with X. |
| 03:25.15 | enouf | esthar: and show me output of file -s for each of sdc and sdc1 sdc2 sdc5 |
| 03:25.22 | hatter | if i dd the mbr to a file, then read the file, what part of it indicates grub ? will it say grub in it somewhere ? |
| 03:25.34 | phorce1 | abrotman: I'll have to test it next time I decide to stop X for something. |
| 03:25.43 | phorce1 | enouf: thanks, reading your links now |
| 03:25.44 | enouf | hatter: part will - but strings is better |
| 03:25.47 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: OK, thanks. |
| 03:25.56 | hatter | enouf, what is strings ? |
| 03:26.06 | enouf | it's a binary |
| 03:26.15 | hatter | oh, a pgm to install ? |
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| 03:27.31 | enouf | hatter: but i prefer xxd http://pastebin.ca/raw/1242859 |
| 03:28.07 | hatter | any1 know if lenny will install grub to 2 drives if the s/w raid install is raid1 ? |
| 03:28.15 | hatter | enouf, thx i will check it out |
| 03:28.19 | phorce1 | enouf: The second one pointed me in the right direction combined with abrotman 's hint about the --no-desktop option |
| 03:28.43 | enouf | hatter: you install grub to a physical block device, not a virtual block device like mdadm |
| 03:29.01 | enouf | phorce1: aha! .. so you needed both? :-) |
| 03:29.16 | hatter | enouf, grub still needs to be on both drives in raid1 |
| 03:29.20 | phorce1 | was looking at desktop-->gnome in gconf editor, not at apps-->nautilus-->desktop |
| 03:29.26 | hatter | etch only puts it on 1 |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | hatter: so install it to both |
| 03:29.45 | enouf | ahh |
| 03:30.12 | hatter | enouf, yes, it has to happen after the install, it would be nice to happen during the install |
| 03:30.14 | enouf | phorce1: sneaky bastages .. almost as bad as kdmrc :-P |
| 03:30.20 | noother | hey, with each `aptitude update` i do aptitude tells me how many upgrade are available and how many packages are new. Is there any way to list which are these packages that are new? |
| 03:30.35 | enouf | hatter: oh well - /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 03:31.14 | hatter | enouf, ok, that might be quicker than the knoppix way |
| 03:31.16 | enouf | noother: use -s to simulate the install |
| 03:31.30 | phorce1 | enouf: and to hide the desktop it's under apps-->nautilus-->preferences (there is a "show desktop" checkbox) not under apps-->nautilus-->desktop |
| 03:31.37 | hatter | where would i go to ask for a feature request to the d/i ? |
| 03:31.42 | enouf | phorce1: hahaha |
| 03:31.59 | enouf | hatter: file a wishlist bug? |
| 03:32.06 | enouf | !wishlist |
| 03:32.06 | dpkg | from memory, wishlist is a severity on a bugreport. Use this for suggestions and requests for new features. |
| 03:32.09 | noother | enouf: I'm not installing anything, i'm just updating |
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| 03:32.23 | hatter | enouf, ok thx |
| 03:32.26 | enouf | hatter: install reportbug pkg, and see ig for some details |
| 03:32.38 | enouf | noother: then you mean your cache |
| 03:32.43 | phorce1 | enouf: so, yes, I had to know that I should be looking in apps-->nautilus and I also had to know that theresould be a checkbox that would match the --no-desktop option |
| 03:33.11 | enouf | phorce1: i loathe clickety clickey things for precisely these reasons |
| 03:33.28 | phorce1 | Now Selma Blair fills the screen nicely |
| 03:33.44 | noother | sure, it shows me which packages will be upgraded if i do aptitude upgrade, but i'd like to see the "new" packages aptitude is talking about (Current status: 13 updates [+13], 23195 new [+31].) |
| 03:33.48 | enouf | phorce1: i don't want to call any devs being braindead, but if the shoe fits ;-) |
| 03:33.51 | esthar | enouf: xxd commands: http://pastebin.ca/1242869 |
| 03:33.56 | phorce1 | enouf: (it's why I'm usually in an xterm instead of clicking around) |
| 03:34.04 | enouf | phorce1: bingo |
| 03:34.11 | noother | i'd like to see those 31 |
| 03:34.44 | esthar | enouf: file -s outputs: http://pastebin.ca/1242870 |
| 03:34.46 | phorce1 | xterm displays better than TTY without the extra work required to get full fb for TTY |
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| 03:37.24 | enouf | esthar: show me "xxd -s +32256 -l 512 /dev/sdc" |
| 03:37.51 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242875 |
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| 03:38.44 | jaggz | weird.. after rebooting, X won't come up, and I still only have console term 1. I had to run getty tty2 to get this shell (root is on f1) |
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| 03:39.41 | jaggz | I can see some problems in Xorg.0.log but I'd really like to get some text consoles up and running so I don't have to reboot into single-user mode to fix things |
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| 03:40.03 | enouf | esthar: yep, ok, so, Start should be 1 (or 63 as i explained above) |
| 03:40.20 | jaggz | inittab doesn't seem to have a problem.. i see the lines which are supposed to run getting in runlevel 2 (default).. |
| 03:40.37 | jaggz | anyone know why I'm not getting any actual text consoles? |
| 03:41.45 | enouf | esthar: for some reason, your Start has been moved to Start 2 (or 16065, or thereabouts) - likely some MBR corruption ... now, you can try to use some partitioning tools, maybe gparted, or fdisk or the gpart app i sent you to try and fix it |
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| 03:43.16 | jaggz | also, how do I get out of 80x25? svgatextmode scares me by wanting my chipset perfect |
| 03:43.59 | peterrooney | jaggz: append vga=792 to kernel arguments at boot time |
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| 03:46.56 | jaggz | hmm, okay.. |
| 03:48.09 | esthar | enouf: How would I go about fixing it? |
| 03:48.21 | esthar | enouf: Would it be easier to reinstall the OS? |
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| 03:48.53 | enouf | esthar: nah - easiest would be to restore from backup ;-) |
| 03:48.57 | esthar | enouf: because as much as a pain that would be, am I looking at a huge arduous task at fixing the MBR or is it like one command? |
| 03:49.04 | enouf | sfdisk even would've worked |
| 03:49.09 | esthar | enouf: I don't care about Windows enough to have backups heh |
| 03:49.18 | jaggz | lots of people say 792 loses terms.. anything else I should throw in there? |
| 03:49.20 | enouf | esthar: one exacting command |
| 03:49.30 | esthar | Interesting |
| 03:49.41 | postgres | hi looking for tsearch2 for postgres 7.4.x and postgres 8.1.x for etch, do they both exist? in what package? thanks |
| 03:49.50 | esthar | How would I find that command? |
| 03:49.57 | enouf | esthar: it's just the partition tables part (bytes 446-510) |
| 03:50.20 | enouf | and only the 1st 16bytes of that (your 1st partition table entry) |
| 03:50.38 | enouf | so bytes 446-462 |
| 03:51.04 | jaggz | man, this aiptek tablet support is getting to me. |
| 03:51.23 | enouf | esthar: use tools to help you - i think gpart could do it .. likely fdisk - even parted - oh wait - sfdisk maybe, one second |
| 03:51.45 | postgres | jaggz: so you can plug the tablet into yourself? how cool is that! |
| 03:52.17 | enouf | esthar: do this; sfdisk -d /dev/sdc > sdc.out (then pastebin contents of sdc.out) |
| 03:52.39 | dustybin | how can one change the permission of a device so it stays permanent? |
| 03:52.42 | enouf | esthar: i'll fix it for ya |
| 03:52.47 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.57 | esthar | dude you are awesome |
| 03:53.06 | enouf | !tell dustybin -about udev rules |
| 03:53.07 | esthar | I have received help from you so many times |
| 03:53.10 | esthar | under so many names |
| 03:53.13 | esthar | ;-) |
| 03:53.16 | enouf | heh |
| 03:53.36 | enouf | i love many personalities .. it's like 10,000 lovers in one :-P |
| 03:53.45 | postgres | !find tsearch2 |
| 03:54.23 | enouf | likes that silly bubblegummy song from ~late80s/early90s |
| 03:54.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tsearch2' (4 of 6): (/usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/lib/tsearch2.so) in misc/postgresql-8.3 ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpwiki/schemas/psql-tsearch2.sql) in web/phpwiki ;; (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-doc-8.3/html/tsearch2.html) in doc/postgresql-doc-8.3 ;; (/usr/share/mediawiki/maintenance/postgres/archives/patch-tsearch2funcs.sql) in web/mediawiki. |
| 03:54.39 | jaggz | postgres, much more advanced than you'd imagine from an aip! |
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| 03:54.56 | jaggz | See movie: ExistenZ |
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| 03:55.31 | jaggz | so.. now why don't I have any available text consoles normally? System comes right up into X, and nothing but a cursor is on terms 2-6 |
| 03:56.40 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242889 |
| 03:56.52 | jaggz | I need a pastebin which I can cat | into |
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| 03:57.14 | jaggz | anyone have a pastebin wrapping script? |
| 03:57.38 | jaggz | cat inittab | pastebin # outputs URL of page |
| 03:58.22 | enouf | esthar: here, for your listening enjoyment while i work on your issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD2DpFaCQQk |
| 03:58.24 | postgres | !find tsearch2 etch |
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| 03:59.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tsearch2' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/pycentral/roundup/site-packages/roundup/backends/{back_tsearch2.py|tsearch2_setup.py}) in web/roundup ;; (/usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/lib/tsearch2.so, /usr/share/doc/postgresql-contrib-8.1/README.tsearch2.gz, /usr/share/postgresql/8.1/contrib/{tsearch2.sql|untsearch2.sql}) in misc/postgresql-contrib-8.1. |
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| 04:02.18 | phorce1 | !tell postgres about msg the bot |
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| 04:03.15 | abrotman | !tell postgres about apt-file |
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| 04:05.06 | postgres | what's the package remove reasopn "NVIU" mean? |
| 04:05.30 | postgres | Not Very Idiotic Uknow? |
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| 04:06.35 | enouf | esthar: now, before we go further (No guarantees! ok? and use at your own risk!) .. now, that said, you already now have a Backup of what you gave me (sdc.out which can easily be restored using sfdisk /dev/sdc < sdc.out) Here's the (somewhat) fixed version http://pastebin.ca/raw/1242892 Save that as sdc-enouf.out if you like and run the command sfdisk /dev/sdc < sdc-enouf.out |
| 04:06.50 | \amethyst | postgres: newer version in unstable |
| 04:06.58 | postgres | oh ok |
| 04:07.01 | postgres | thanks |
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| 04:07.31 | postgres | so the autocrufter saw the two versions and removed one |
| 04:08.05 | enouf | esthar: you might want to use gpart after this, and see if it recognizes your partition tables better,.. and you might need to reinstall Grub, if you were using that to boot with - (note; i didn't change any of that, but it might've been damaged) |
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| 04:09.10 | dustybin | when i run alsamixer as root it works, if i run alsamixer as a user i get this error |
| 04:09.13 | dustybin | lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 04:09.27 | dustybin | does my user need to be a member of a certain group? |
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| 04:10.49 | slicer_ | dustybin: yeah just yesterday, but i cant remember what i did |
| 04:11.35 | slicer_ | dustybi: hang on lsmod, and remove oss modules. |
| 04:11.56 | segosa | is there a debian apt repository that has OO.org3? I would like to upgrade from 2.4, and would prefer to use package management to handle updates rather than installing it from a download off the official site |
| 04:12.32 | phorce1 | whoops, that 750 is getting a bit full (df -h) --> http://paste.debian.net/20484/ |
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| 04:13.30 | enouf | dustybin: cdrom audio video plugdev (amongst others) |
| 04:15.31 | enouf | thinks he either a) scared the crap out of esthar , or b) s/he fell into the toilet :-P |
| 04:17.19 | ptx0-aWay | is Away, Reason: ( sleep ) | Since: ( Wednesday, October 29, 2008. 01:36:44 ) Xlack v2.1 |
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| 04:21.46 | phorce1 | enouf: or got a phone call like me. I tend to wander away in the middle of stuff |
| 04:22.02 | esthar | sorry |
| 04:22.07 | esthar | selling mushrooms |
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| 04:22.49 | enouf | phorce1: figures, druggy phone sales :-P |
| 04:22.58 | esthar | phew |
| 04:22.59 | esthar | okay |
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| 04:24.02 | enouf | jaggz pastbinnit |
| 04:24.06 | enouf | jaggz pastbinpipe |
| 04:24.16 | enouf | both work |
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| 04:30.05 | Baatti | hi, I want to install Debian on my desktop. I'm gonna download the Internet install file...but I don't know which type to choose. http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ... I'm using an older Compaq PC... should I use i386? |
| 04:31.32 | Baatti | um... |
| 04:31.33 | Baatti | hello? |
| 04:31.34 | up365 | Baatti, yes that should be fine |
| 04:31.35 | Baatti | anyone? |
| 04:31.38 | Baatti | ok thanks |
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| 04:32.16 | slicer_ | Baatti: you first ever install :) |
| 04:32.45 | Baatti | of Debian yes |
| 04:33.18 | Baatti | I haven't used Linux very much on my own. I've used friends' computers that run linux |
| 04:33.36 | Baatti | I have this really old desktop pc tht I don't use much, so I figured I'd try learning linux on it |
| 04:33.42 | slicer_ | Baatti: goodluck, sayin that tho t'll go alright |
| 04:33.55 | slicer_ | Baatti: the old ones are the best |
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| 04:35.37 | FloridaGuy | is kde 3.5.10 or 4.1 avable |
| 04:36.13 | adb | Baatti: which processor @ MHz, and how much RAM ? |
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| 04:36.52 | Baatti | um, Intel something.... no clue on the MHz, and like 256k ram I believe |
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| 04:36.58 | Baatti | wait no |
| 04:37.02 | mhymn | FloridaGuy: 3.5.10 no but 4.1 is now availabe in experimental |
| 04:37.41 | adb | 4.1 or 4.0.1 ? |
| 04:38.03 | mhymn | 4.1 |
| 04:38.04 | FloridaGuy | 4.1 |
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| 04:38.09 | mhymn | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 04:38.27 | phorce1 | adb: /me is actually burning those CD's now. I pulled the old dual cpu machine off the shelf to see if it will run them |
| 04:38.32 | FloridaGuy | mhymn, ok thanks |
| 04:38.42 | adb | Baatti: hmmm , 256k ram |
| 04:38.56 | adb | phorce1: sweet |
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| 04:39.09 | phorce1 | Baatti: I hope you meant 256M |
| 04:39.40 | Baatti | yeah |
| 04:39.45 | Baatti | it might be more |
| 04:40.10 | adb | how old is ? |
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| 04:41.08 | Baatti | I don't even know to be honest... |
| 04:41.21 | adb | is a compaq ? |
| 04:41.24 | Baatti | it's my sister's old computer...and she gave it to me a while ago |
| 04:41.25 | Baatti | yeah |
| 04:41.35 | Baatti | I never use it though, cause it's so slow |
| 04:41.37 | xdr | adb: don't use foul language |
| 04:41.42 | Baatti | lol |
| 04:41.58 | xdr | I got ... hmm 3 compaqs |
| 04:41.59 | adb | than < '2000 |
| 04:42.09 | Baatti | oh yeah |
| 04:42.13 | xdr | but they do their job |
| 04:42.23 | xdr | not very well |
| 04:42.26 | Baatti | it's probably like, a '95 |
| 04:42.27 | slicer_ | Baatti: it'll run sweet with debian on it |
| 04:42.34 | Baatti | that's what I'm hoping |
| 04:42.59 | Baatti | ok guys, thanks for the help and encouragement |
| 04:43.00 | Baatti | I gotta run |
| 04:43.02 | Baatti | peace |
| 04:43.03 | Baatti | :P |
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| 04:52.34 | neoice | is debian the only major distro that supports PPC? |
| 04:52.53 | Doctor_Nick | power pee see |
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| 04:53.04 | neoice | Hi Doctor_Nick! |
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| 04:57.48 | enouf | neoice: well .. no, but there's slackintosh, ubuntu did, maybe a gentoo port |
| 04:58.16 | neoice | yeah, I saw the buntu does a community supported version |
| 04:58.37 | enouf | neoice: do you have an old-world mac? |
| 04:58.59 | enouf | then there's that yellowdog stuff or something |
| 04:59.13 | neoice | no, its post-iMac |
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| 04:59.17 | neoice | but its definitely PPC |
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| 04:59.26 | enouf | aye, ok |
| 04:59.45 | Tinason | i recently installed kde 4.1 on debian lenny, and i dont have package systemsettings installed. when i attempt to apt-get install systemsettings, i get this error: http://rafb.net/p/nR34KG44.html - how can i fix this? |
| 04:59.45 | neoice | its my wife's computer, but its running like 10.2 or something |
| 05:00.00 | neoice | and I want to make my whole household as free-software as possible |
| 05:00.11 | neoice | and GNUCash looks cool, and we need something like that. |
| 05:00.21 | enouf | Tinason: try #debian-kde , but 1st /msg dpkg kde4 and check the BTS |
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| 05:00.56 | enouf | neoice: well, iinm, we could use some ppc maintainers :-) |
| 05:01.05 | MarkJones | Hello everyone I have been trying to find on the web with no luck on if its possible to take the 3 DVDs that I have of Debian etch, and somehow copy them to my hard drive and add that folder to my apt sources list so I can install apps without swapping these disks over and over again.Anyone have any idea? |
| 05:01.25 | javanero | NetInstall |
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| 05:01.43 | \amethyst | !apt-cdrom |
| 05:01.44 | dpkg | methinks apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources. Ask me about apt-cdrom_external |
| 05:01.52 | neoice | I'd do netinstall |
| 05:01.59 | enouf | MarkJones: just install them all, or use net, or setup your own mirror, or use apt-zip ... or |
| 05:02.02 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:02.03 | neoice | why fill your HDD with the entire library if you're not using them |
| 05:02.08 | \amethyst | nm |
| 05:02.24 | MarkJones | yes I know how to add the cdroms as apt source but im tired of having to swap them over and over for each app test install. |
| 05:02.33 | enouf | he likes old buggy software? |
| 05:02.34 | MarkJones | I am using them thats the point. |
| 05:02.46 | \amethyst | !mirror |
| 05:02.46 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 05:03.05 | \amethyst | gah |
| 05:03.06 | MarkJones | debian etch stable is old buggy software? ok sure. |
| 05:03.11 | MarkJones | whatever you say |
| 05:03.16 | enouf | sorry s/old[er] buggi[er] |
| 05:03.17 | javanero | lol |
| 05:03.23 | MarkJones | yeah ok |
| 05:03.55 | MarkJones | testing doesnt even install |
| 05:03.59 | MarkJones | so whatever |
| 05:04.14 | MarkJones | so is there a way or no? |
| 05:04.16 | enouf | reloads in the dpkg listvals factoid database into \amethyst, ala Matrix |
| 05:04.19 | erawfish | MarkJones: you need a network connection for the security repo anyways. if you don't have that, then yes, etch is old and buggy. and unsafe |
| 05:04.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:04.33 | MarkJones | etch rocks |
| 05:04.43 | erawfish | MarkJones: unless you have new hardware |
| 05:04.47 | MarkJones | beats the shite out of ubuntu |
| 05:05.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | or your system is pre r3 (openssl) |
| 05:05.23 | erawfish | you've been told several ways to accomplish what you want |
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| 05:05.44 | MarkJones | You told me how to use the onlien mirrors.I didnt ask for that.Thats easy. |
| 05:05.47 | enouf | too busy flappin the lips |
| 05:06.02 | erawfish | enouf told you something else. if you ignore advice, we will ignore you too. have a nice day |
| 05:06.06 | bacon000 | Hi all. Any rumors about Lenny's release date? |
| 05:06.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | bacon000, when its ready? |
| 05:06.15 | erawfish | bacon000: no. there never ever are |
| 05:06.44 | bacon000 | gotcha. |
| 05:07.17 | MarkJones | debian community isnt as nice as the ubuntu community.hmm thats sad. |
| 05:07.24 | MarkJones | gbye |
| 05:07.25 | enouf | MarkJones: one more option not yet mentioned though it can be local mirror related, man apt.conf (see proxy info) |
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| 05:07.46 | erawfish | oh, an ubuntu user |
| 05:07.46 | enouf | !customer |
| 05:07.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 05:08.29 | enouf | makes fxiny create a "sleeves up" factoid .. haha |
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| 05:09.15 | slicer_ | Who would use ubuntu? |
| 05:09.25 | slicer_ | i don't see the point? |
| 05:09.31 | phorce1 | adb: both run fine but both complain about my eth0 (which is probably a bad card on that old box) |
| 05:09.52 | phorce1 | dual PIII-933 with 1G of RAM |
| 05:10.27 | slicer_ | anyone have a zpen? |
| 05:10.27 | adb | maybe do "modprobe yourcardmodule" |
| 05:11.20 | phorce1 | adb: you are assuming I remember what's inside the box. I got the cpu/RAM info from the boot screens. ;-) |
| 05:11.43 | enouf | no tools? |
| 05:11.47 | enouf | lspci? |
| 05:11.55 | erawfish | phorce1: lspci is an awesome program |
| 05:12.02 | phorce1 | I had to pull the machine out from under a Sun Ultra5 toget it to the bench |
| 05:12.09 | enouf | erawfish: it's a 'special' cd |
| 05:12.23 | erawfish | more like he's a "special" guy |
| 05:12.32 | phorce1 | erawfish: lspci doesn't exist when the whole OS is loaded into RAM with no HD available |
| 05:12.50 | adb | phorce1: sorry , has no lspci, yes |
| 05:12.57 | erawfish | this p3 will have a usb adapter |
| 05:13.26 | erawfish | not to mention a /proc filesystem |
| 05:13.35 | phorce1 | adb: I'm thinking tis is looking good for when I start building the asterix based pbx for the office. |
| 05:14.20 | adb | have to menage how to add new software ... |
| 05:14.22 | erawfish | phorce1: so what hardware is it? |
| 05:14.31 | phorce1 | getting ready to test a usb flash drive. Should a copy of the lspci binary from my lenny machine "just work"? |
| 05:14.56 | erawfish | probably not. linked to newer libc6 |
| 05:14.57 | adb | test it |
| 05:15.08 | erawfish | but cat /proc/bus/pci/devices definitely works |
| 05:15.16 | phorce1 | erawfish: it's a dual PIII running a custom copy of debirf that adb built |
| 05:15.34 | erawfish | phorce1: do you ever listen what I say? |
| 05:15.40 | adb | erawfish: it is a sid ... |
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| 05:16.04 | phorce1 | erawfish: you said -- "what HARDWARE is it" |
| 05:16.05 | adb | so may be ok |
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| 05:17.33 | phorce1 | brb -- usb test |
| 05:17.39 | erawfish | and I told you how you can find out, RIGHT NOW |
| 05:17.48 | erawfish | with nothing more needed than what you already have, nothing |
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| 05:23.22 | neoice | so this is really more of a concept issue I'm guessing. does anyone here use GNUCash? |
| 05:25.33 | adb | not here |
| 05:25.56 | adb | not even known it exist ... |
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| 05:27.05 | erawfish | !anyone use gnucash |
| 05:27.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses gnucash, not even the people who use it. |
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| 05:29.49 | esthar | enouf: Still awake? |
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| 05:31.19 | phorce1 | erawfish: sorry, I wasn't seeing the NIC trying to dig through /proc manually and I now realize that's what you meant |
| 05:31.59 | phorce1 | erawfish and adb --- the NIC is dead. It doesn't show up in lspci either. Time for the screwdriver |
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| 05:32.32 | phorce1 | adb: the minimal text-only build doesn't support USB at all. |
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| 05:33.04 | phorce1 | adb: The kiosk build does support usb and lspci from my lenny machine worked fine after mounting the flash drive |
| 05:33.58 | adb | yes , minimal is ... minimal , means only for intern PCI |
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| 05:34.53 | phorce1 | adb: I guess you can't stuff much of sid into 50MB total ;-) |
| 05:35.24 | adb | me too ;) |
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| 05:35.36 | phorce1 | the kiosk build still leaves lots of room on a machien with 1G of RAM |
| 05:36.01 | xdr | phorce1: that's like a virgin.. the more you pusch the more fits.... |
| 05:36.08 | adb | sure is take ~ 360 MB |
| 05:36.19 | boggy` | anyone ever have these problems? alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory and FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device |
| 05:36.50 | boggy` | i have tried everything.. and i mean EVERYTHING... :( |
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| 05:37.09 | adb | boggy`: install 2.6.24 |
| 05:37.51 | phorce1 | If I can find some reasonably priced 512Meg PC-133 RAM I can take that machine up to 2G I think. Have to google the motherboard to see for sure. |
| 05:37.58 | boggy` | i just went from stable to testing |
| 05:38.13 | boggy` | didnt work on stable including browser flash |
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| 05:38.27 | boggy` | went to testing got flash working but still no sound |
| 05:38.54 | phorce1 | boggy`: so upgrade your kernel to a higher lenny version now that you've gone to lenny anyway. |
| 05:39.36 | adb | boggy`: bye a PCI sound card for 10$ USD |
| 05:39.55 | boggy` | for what i need sound for 1 project n' im taking it off |
| 05:40.04 | boggy` | its a workstation i dont need it set up like that |
| 05:40.13 | adb | isa is outdated |
| 05:40.32 | boggy` | that it is |
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| 05:41.11 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.35 | boggy` | i'll do the upgrade n' see if it works ty |
| 05:41.37 | phorce1 | ohh, I didn't notice that. Maybe it's just a dead sound card, like the NIC in my old PIII |
| 05:41.56 | boggy` | nah it works |
| 05:42.03 | boggy` | i can boot to solaris 10 fine and it works |
| 05:42.24 | phorce1 | I should have a PCI sound card lying around here somewhere if you want to driveto Texas real quick |
| 05:42.44 | boggy` | lol ty but im good |
| 05:42.55 | boggy` | i just moved from PA to FL 18.5hr trip im good with driving |
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| 05:44.21 | phorce1 | built in sound is usually good enough for my needs so cards from dead boxes tend to stack up. Especially since Texas instituted a mandatory electronics recycling plan for repair shops and the official plan I filed with the state is "We don't throw *ANYTHING* away". |
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| 05:45.48 | boggy` | haha |
| 05:46.03 | javanero | Don't mess with Texas |
| 05:46.11 | boggy` | lol |
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| 06:05.17 | lrn | there is another way to control the PC by remote other then VNC or XRDP |
| 06:05.36 | adb | ssh ? |
| 06:05.39 | hatter | lrn, no machine has nx |
| 06:05.52 | hatter | the linux equiv of rdp |
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| 06:06.17 | lrn | adb i mean with desktop not just bash shell |
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| 06:06.24 | adb | lrn: run debian ? |
| 06:06.26 | lrn | hatter whats nx |
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| 06:06.34 | hatter | lrn google nomachine and nx |
| 06:06.39 | hatter | lrn rdp for linux |
| 06:07.06 | T-One | good morning |
| 06:07.12 | lrn | hatter why google ? |
| 06:07.22 | adb | rdl= Remote Desktop for Linux? |
| 06:08.03 | lrn | found hatter thanks |
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| 06:19.11 | tmm1 | any idea how to change the default PATH sudo uses? |
| 06:22.30 | lrn | !versions nxnode |
| 06:22.37 | lrn | !version nxnode |
| 06:26.37 | lrn | if im getting this |
| 06:26.38 | lrn | E: Package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 has no installation candidate |
| 06:26.44 | lrn | what can i do to install it anyway ? |
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| 06:28.35 | lrn | anyone ??? |
| 06:28.42 | korhojoa | urr |
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| 06:28.57 | korhojoa | just change the path with sudo |
| 06:29.01 | korhojoa | and it should be ok? |
| 06:29.25 | korhojoa | all sudo does is become root temporarily, afaik, so the change should persist |
| 06:30.00 | bullgard4 | There is a program gsearchtool.c. What is its associated executable? |
| 06:30.12 | lrn | please help me |
| 06:30.33 | tmm1 | korhojoa: it doesn't work, its not using my path |
| 06:30.39 | tmm1 | lrn: that means that package doesn't exist |
| 06:30.42 | tmm1 | what depends on it? |
| 06:30.44 | korhojoa | your path? |
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| 06:30.59 | korhojoa | something you defined in a .rc in your home directory? |
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| 06:31.27 | tmm1 | "`env | grep PATH`" != "`sudo env | grep PATH`" |
| 06:32.05 | lrn | tmm1: im trying to install a .deb file |
| 06:32.18 | lrn | tmm1: Package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:32.32 | korhojoa | yes. of course, if you didn't add what you wanted to the path wbefore you do that |
| 06:33.35 | tmm1 | lrn: which deb |
| 06:34.08 | lrn | nxclient_3.2.0-13_i386.deb |
| 06:34.11 | tmm1 | korhojoa: it works on other distributions. looks like debian's sudo has --with-secure-path |
| 06:34.51 | korhojoa | ohg |
| 06:34.57 | korhojoa | well use su -c then |
| 06:35.03 | korhojoa | does that help? |
| 06:35.27 | tmm1 | no, i need sudo to work |
| 06:35.38 | tmm1 | hrm |
| 06:36.01 | korhojoa | well |
| 06:36.17 | korhojoa | download the sources via apt-get and recompile it yourself |
| 06:36.56 | adb | lrn: from where you take nxclient_3.2.0-13_i386.deb ? is nxclient in debian repos ? |
| 06:37.11 | lrn | got it from nx homepage |
| 06:37.29 | adb | so ask there ! |
| 06:37.38 | lrn | adb dont be an ass |
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| 06:38.02 | tmm1 | lrn: maybe you can force install it, so it ignores deps |
| 06:38.16 | lrn | how ? |
| 06:38.17 | tmm1 | presmably you have a compatible libsdtc++ |
| 06:38.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.08 | esthar | I installed Debian Etch with encrypted LVM2 |
| 06:39.15 | tmm1 | dpkg -i nx*.deb --ignore-depends=libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 06:39.15 | dpkg | installs nx*.deb --ignore-depends=libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 into tmm1's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 06:39.24 | esthar | Then I upgraded to sid but my kernels don't work with the encryption |
| 06:39.37 | esthar | How can I get the 2.6.26 kernel images to work with AES dm-crypt stuff? |
| 06:40.12 | tmm1 | esthar: did you look for a kernel module package? |
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| 06:41.42 | Orveldv | so I run aptitude upgrade and some new packages are pulled in, what's the proper way to see which one of the installed packs are pulling those new in? |
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| 06:52.33 | Orveldv | nevermind I used "-D" |
| 06:52.49 | Orveldv | but I was hoping for a tree of dependencies |
| 07:03.00 | enouf | esthar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 ? |
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| 07:11.35 | esthar | enouf: hi!!! |
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| 07:14.18 | enouf | esthar: and? |
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| 07:15.08 | ManDay | Hello, is here anyone who does understand PXE? |
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| 07:15.44 | esthar | enouf: First and foremost: The somewhat fixed version (http://pastebin.ca/raw/1242892) isn't quite right I don't think I don't THINK |
| 07:16.01 | esthar | My /dev/sdc has only 2 partitions. |
| 07:16.10 | ManDay | I' having a very very hard time getting a gentoo kernel to work over PXE, that's why I come here. I once suceeded bringing up some Debian-PXE Kernel and now I want to figure out what was different. |
| 07:16.15 | esthar | 1 and 2 are both primary partitions, both NTFS |
| 07:16.23 | ManDay | Does anyone know something about PXE Netboot? |
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| 07:18.23 | esthar | I used sfdisk |
| 07:18.27 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242975 |
| 07:18.33 | enouf | esthar: i made sdc1 and sdc2 as Pimary and bootable |
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| 07:18.46 | msshams | i edited my partition with gparted. in gparted i see that 5.41 GiB of my partiotion is used. but i can't see any file in my partition. how can i solve it? |
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| 07:25.40 | enouf | esthar: now, also - i noticed this; seem either sdc2 should start at 14667408 .. or sda1 should end at 14683347 |
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| 07:26.47 | slicer_ | #chemistry |
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| 07:29.51 | esthar | enouf: hmm |
| 07:29.52 | esthar | okay |
| 07:30.14 | esthar | But the thing is, sdc3, sdc4, and sdc5 should not even exist |
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| 07:30.21 | esthar | They have no reason to exist |
| 07:30.40 | enouf | msshams more info needed |
| 07:30.52 | enouf | esthar: right .. so, wipe it |
| 07:31.03 | enouf | esthar: or leave it and let gpart do it |
| 07:31.26 | enouf | esthar: or leave it and let gpart do it's magic, and let it wipe out 5 once you accept the changes |
| 07:32.10 | enouf | esthar: 3 and 4 will always exist, even if empty, once a MS-DOS style MPT has been written |
| 07:32.17 | esthar | ok |
| 07:32.19 | esthar | so |
| 07:32.24 | enouf | sfdisk -l shows that ... fdisk does not |
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| 07:32.37 | esthar | You sent me this though: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1242892 |
| 07:33.05 | enouf | esthar: now, i could've altered sda5, but i chose to make as few changes as necessary ... |
| 07:33.05 | esthar | And I ran sfdisk /dev/sdc < BLAH |
| 07:33.13 | esthar | Where BLAH is that data you sent |
| 07:33.31 | enouf | and |
| 07:33.33 | enouf | ? |
| 07:33.37 | enouf | KABOOM? |
| 07:33.38 | esthar | Shouldn't BLAH have NO sdc5? |
| 07:33.51 | esthar | Well I pastbined what happened here: http://pastebin.ca/1242975 |
| 07:33.52 | enouf | run gpart again now esthar |
| 07:34.13 | esthar | sfdisk: bad input |
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| 07:36.17 | enouf | esthar: no., i said run gpart |
| 07:36.42 | esthar | ok |
| 07:36.54 | esthar | Same |
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| 07:37.22 | esthar | http://pastebin.ca/1242983 |
| 07:37.37 | enouf | ok esthar , well, i am certain you have a valid start= for sdc1 now .. so, as i just said above ... <enouf> esthar: now, also - i noticed this; seem either sdc2 should start at 14667408 .. or sda1 should end at 14683347 |
| 07:38.01 | esthar | enouf: gpart is totally right by the way That looks exactly how I partitioned it with two NTFS partitions, 1 7G and the rest of the 120GB HDD in another primary partition |
| 07:38.08 | enouf | esthar: so, let's go one step further |
| 07:38.43 | ManDay | Why does PXE-Netbook-GRUB need to be compiled with a network driver? |
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| 07:39.46 | enouf | esthar: i hate to say this, but it is possible the drive is dying or dead .. but let's try some things .. hold on now |
| 07:40.04 | esthar | I don't care it's just a 120GB and it's just WIndows |
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| 07:40.51 | esthar | I should just buy a couple 1.5TB Seagate drives from Newegg and be done with it |
| 07:41.31 | neoice | will debian automatically adjust for DST? |
| 07:42.10 | enouf | esthar: here http://pastebin.ca/raw/1242989 i altered the end of sdc1 size so it's exactly 63 from the start of sdc2, as it should be |
| 07:42.17 | enouf | and i removed sda5 |
| 07:42.28 | Igneous | Does anyone know if anything has recently changed with Sid's xorg setup? I've recently reinstalled, and my framerate in anything using opengl is now painfully slow. (glxgears gets 900fps now as opposed to 10,000) |
| 07:42.34 | esthar | sweet |
| 07:42.40 | esthar | okay let me try to sfdisk this |
| 07:42.41 | neoice | igneous: what driver? |
| 07:43.10 | Igneous | neoice, using the nvidia binary blob, 173.14.12 |
| 07:43.28 | neoice | damn, I only have experience with Intel and ATI |
| 07:43.51 | neoice | check your xorg.conf to make sure its actually using your hardware maybe? |
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| 07:44.03 | neoice | I think it defaults to software, which is ATROCIOUS |
| 07:44.08 | Igneous | same issues with 177.80, although in my previous experience, I had issues with it trying to share an interrupt with some other device.. causing the latency to go up, and my fps to drop drastically |
| 07:44.11 | Outlander | hi, I have a software raid1 rigged up, what happens if the 2 partitions I'm using for it are only marked as type Linux rather than Linux raid auto ? |
| 07:44.31 | neoice | I dunno. |
| 07:44.43 | neoice | I've actually been unable to get the Intel driver in my laptop to not suck |
| 07:44.43 | Outlander | haha |
| 07:44.43 | esthar | This drive is retarded |
| 07:44.47 | Igneous | neoice, yeah, it's using 'nvidia' and the 'glx' module is loaded.. and apparently I even have direct rendering.. it's just a really low framerate |
| 07:44.55 | neoice | weird. |
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| 07:46.13 | enouf | esthar: show me what sfdisk and gpart now output |
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| 07:47.05 | Igneous | is there a command to show what interrupts things are using? that way I could see if my graphics card and something else are assigned to the same irq? |
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| 07:47.18 | enouf | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 07:47.21 | enouf | and dmesg |
| 07:47.25 | esthar | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1242994 haha |
| 07:47.33 | esthar | fdisk thinks it's a 250GB drive now??? |
| 07:47.37 | esthar | Oh wait... |
| 07:47.42 | esthar | It is a 250GB drive |
| 07:47.44 | esthar | nvmm |
| 07:47.56 | esthar | Where did my 120 go? |
| 07:47.58 | esthar | Hmm |
| 07:48.01 | esthar | irrelevant |
| 07:48.48 | enouf | esthar: you did something wrong |
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| 07:49.07 | enouf | you're still showing Start at 2 for sdc1 |
| 07:49.27 | Igneous | enouf, http://www.igneous.ws/gnopaste/index.php?id=898631385f&view=nl Does that seem odd that my nvidia module is sharing the same interrupt as my sound card and usb hub? |
| 07:50.08 | Outlander | hi I have built - md0 : active raid1 sdc1[1] - but /dev/sdc is of type Linux not Linux raid auto, will this matter? |
| 07:50.15 | enouf | esthar: i want either sfdisk -l or fdisk -lu - and gpart .. not plain sfdisk |
| 07:50.43 | enouf | Igneous: no, interrupt sharing is most time perfectly fine |
| 07:50.51 | Outlander | sdc1 is of type Linux rather than Linux raid auto i mean, will that matter? |
| 07:51.14 | enouf | Igneous: if you want to move your soundcard to another PCI slot, go ahead |
| 07:51.45 | enouf | Igneous: ensure your BIOS has Interrupt sharing enabled |
| 07:51.57 | Igneous | well.. I guess it couldn't hurt to take it out and see if my fps improves |
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| 07:52.09 | Igneous | but it was like this before, it only started happening when I reinstalled. |
| 07:52.25 | enouf | new kernel + new module? |
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| 07:53.04 | Igneous | In the -mm patches, does that change the way interrupts are handled? Previously, I ran 2.6.27-mm1, and now I'm running an older kernel (2.6.25.19), after trying the 2.6.28 upstream |
| 07:53.38 | enouf | heh .. could be many things, changes in ACPI and IOAPIC implementation, ... |
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| 07:54.21 | Igneous | there was some kink in the 2.6.28 kernel that prevented me from using the nvidia installer, apparently the way 2.6.28 uses /ib/modules works differently now |
| 07:54.33 | Igneous | /lib/modules* |
| 07:54.42 | enouf | so, what's the matter with .27? |
| 07:55.06 | enouf | so, what's the matter with (your) .27? i guess i mean |
| 07:55.10 | Igneous | the older 173.xx series modules will not compile on it.. only 177.80, which gave me interrupt issues |
| 07:55.41 | enouf | you still haven't checked your BIOS and now you mention both .27 and .25 are giving you interrupt issues |
| 07:55.49 | Igneous | even on my previous install, I'd have 177.80 working fine, and then they'd just randomly drop, and dmesg would say that there was an issue with them sharing the same interrupt, and that it increased the device latency to 60ms |
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| 07:56.21 | enouf | i gave you some options to test - there are Kernel boot parameters as well you could've used |
| 07:56.39 | Igneous | well, in my previous install, when I went back to the .25 kernel and used 173.xx, it worked fine |
| 07:57.00 | Igneous | I just lived with the occasional issues with the 177.80 drivers, and passed it off as a bug |
| 07:57.01 | enouf | so .. you like going in circles? |
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| 07:57.36 | enouf | that's fine .. but don't try to drag me along for the ride :-P |
| 07:57.52 | enouf | i'll get dizzy and barf all over your lawn O_o |
| 07:57.59 | Igneous | well, that is the nature of someone that runs sid |
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| 07:58.15 | enouf | no it isn't |
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| 07:58.36 | enouf | the nature of someone who shouldn't be running sid, maybe :-) |
| 07:59.18 | enouf | esthar: i'm going back to bed ... like in 1 minute |
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| 08:00.27 | enouf | Igneous: if you want to get into it further, see cat /proc/iomem .. but you |
| 08:00.33 | Igneous | well, my previous install was really just me experimenting with various configurations, trying to find a good stability to bleeding edge ratio. |
| 08:01.06 | enouf | Igneous: if you want to get into it further, see cat /proc/iomem .. but you're better off with playing with /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 08:01.12 | msshams | how can i recover lost+found files? |
| 08:01.38 | enouf | if amd64 arch - see also /x86_64/boot-options.txt |
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| 08:02.31 | enouf | msshams: ouch ... so, they're all file0001, file0002 now? |
| 08:03.03 | enouf | msshams: try testdisk, and it's photorec tool maybe .. scan for content-type headers |
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| 08:05.14 | msshams | enouf: that look like this: #537274 #10 #120090 |
| 08:05.16 | msshams | and other |
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| 08:05.40 | Igneous | actually.. I think I remember using pci=bios (or maybe pci=biosirq) as a kernel parameter on my previous kernels. I may just give that a try. |
| 08:06.21 | enouf | msshams: yep .. pretty bad - also you could run 'file' command on each or something |
| 08:06.25 | postgres | do you take the debian .config file for the kernel and alter that? |
| 08:06.35 | enouf | even 'strings' msshams |
| 08:06.46 | Igneous | postgres, are you asking me? |
| 08:06.57 | enouf | Igneous: check your BIOS for irq sharing |
| 08:07.01 | postgres | Igneous: sorry; yes |
| 08:07.02 | enouf | settings |
| 08:07.06 | Igneous | enouf, I plan too, next reboot |
| 08:07.43 | postgres | or do you take the config from make mrproper (kernel default) and alter that? |
| 08:07.52 | Igneous | postgres, I did use the debian kernel config as a base, and modified a few things such as the timer freq, memory model, and preemption on top of that |
| 08:08.33 | Igneous | I basically did cp /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 ./.config and modified that |
| 08:08.55 | postgres | oic... so it could be helpful to folks here to see your present .config as well as a diff (-u is good for diff) from the debian config |
| 08:08.57 | enouf | postgres: depends, i usually start with the debian /boot/config-`uname -r` and copy that over to src dir/ ,, rename it .config and run make oldconfig |
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| 08:09.21 | Igneous | postgres, incomming config + diffs |
| 08:09.22 | enouf | then make menuconfig for touchups/tweaks, then make-kpkg |
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| 08:10.13 | postgres | Igneous: also helpful would be knowing which patches were applied to that kernel |
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| 08:10.58 | enouf | postgres: oh .. you're investigating his issues, depending on how and what he compiled the kernel |
| 08:11.02 | enouf | with? |
| 08:11.38 | Igneous | it's just a vanilla 2.6.25.19 at the moment |
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| 08:12.41 | postgres | enouf: on that level but less than that... I'm merely suggesting that if he were to provide that info it would help (for example) you |
| 08:12.52 | enouf | it's because you said 'do you' rather than 'did you' |
| 08:13.02 | postgres | oh, ok :) |
| 08:13.07 | Igneous | My present kernel config: http://www.nanosleep.net/gnopaste/index.php?id=afa8ac3b84&view=nl and the diff: http://www.nanosleep.net/gnopaste/index.php?id=f2dcdaaa41&view=nl |
| 08:13.24 | enouf | i thought you were compiling and asking for advice postgres :-P |
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| 08:13.34 | postgres | ahh :) |
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| 08:14.30 | postgres | I'm more or less aware that there are places that like answering those more than here |
| 08:14.33 | enouf | the kernel default is actually make defconfig , IIRC |
| 08:14.41 | Igneous | yeah, make defconfig |
| 08:15.00 | postgres | oh I never knew about make defconfig |
| 08:15.13 | enouf | see /README ;-) |
| 08:15.24 | isBEKaml | hi guys, can you recommend any good web browser?? Kopete sucks on KDE3.5, I'm yet to upgrade to KDE4. :) |
| 08:15.27 | Igneous | or "make help" |
| 08:15.55 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/README#L165 |
| 08:16.06 | isBEKaml | oops, sorry that was Konqueror., typo .:) |
| 08:16.25 | enouf | sure, or /scripts .. and MAKEfiles and such :-) |
| 08:16.37 | Igneous | isBEKaml, do you have something against firefox? |
| 08:16.49 | enouf | !links2 |
| 08:16.49 | dpkg | somebody said links2 was a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 08:17.05 | isBEKaml | Igneous: I can't use firefox in KDE |
| 08:17.26 | postgres | I can :) |
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| 08:17.38 | Igneous | You could, it'd just be kinda ugly |
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| 08:17.56 | postgres | looks clean enough to me... |
| 08:18.03 | Igneous | I remember reading about someone porting firefox over to QT.. I wonder if there are patches out there somewhere.. |
| 08:18.05 | enouf | dpkg: links2 =~ s#non-root user#non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode# |
| 08:18.05 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
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| 08:18.18 | isBEKaml | Igneous, postgres: If you could, I would love that! :) |
| 08:18.21 | postgres | perhaps I'm not sufficiently stylistic :) |
| 08:19.29 | postgres | I just installed iceweasel |
| 08:19.29 | Igneous | isBEKaml, what about: http://gtk-qt.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ |
| 08:19.34 | Igneous | that's almost good enough |
| 08:19.41 | enouf | isBEKaml: let me ask, besides other irritating things, the most irritating is it's SLOW AS CRAP? |
| 08:19.55 | enouf | isBEKaml: links2 -g ftw babay :-) |
| 08:20.01 | Igneous | pssh |
| 08:20.16 | Igneous | no need for the -g |
| 08:20.23 | isBEKaml | enouf: yes, it can get agonisingly slow!! |
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| 08:20.44 | enouf | isBEKaml: right - it's worse than 1994 Dialup!@!! |
| 08:20.45 | isBEKaml | And, yes, lemme try links2.. |
| 08:21.00 | Igneous | give hv3 a try, if you're concerned about weight |
| 08:21.05 | Igneous | tis quite nice |
| 08:21.12 | enouf | isBEKaml: i'm on a 2M/sec cable that has a Fiber backbone ... |
| 08:21.27 | enouf | hv3, midori, etc |
| 08:21.43 | Igneous | and Opera, if you're ok with closed-source stuff |
| 08:21.46 | Igneous | that uses QT |
| 08:21.52 | enouf | the newer TCL/TK class of browsers starting to use Webkit |
| 08:21.59 | enouf | !Shoot gecko |
| 08:21.59 | dpkg | blows gecko away with an Uzi |
| 08:22.34 | enouf | !nuke QT and khtml or whatever causes KonqOut to be so slow |
| 08:22.34 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at QT and khtml or whatever causes KonqOut to be so slow |
| 08:22.48 | Igneous | has webkit patched the carpet bombing exploit yet? |
| 08:22.52 | isBEKaml | hmmm, i ll be right back after looking through the options.. ! |
| 08:23.11 | Igneous | sorry for my ignorance |
| 08:23.11 | enouf | !tell isBEKaml -about links2 config |
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| 08:23.25 | isBEKaml | And, did I tell you that I'm running on lenny??? |
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| 08:23.53 | postgres | better than running on empty :) |
| 08:24.12 | isBEKaml | if etch is empty, yeah... :) |
| 08:24.13 | enouf | isBEKaml: now, granted, there are some downsides, like no CSS, and page layout of CRAPPY BLOATED AJAX POOP ladeb Web sites stinks |
| 08:24.19 | enouf | laden* |
| 08:24.46 | Igneous | and that 90% of the web doesn't degrade gracefully to html3.1 |
| 08:24.54 | Igneous | so there are just random images aligned to the left of the page |
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| 08:25.15 | isBEKaml | enouf: I find facebook too bloated for use...! |
| 08:25.21 | enouf | you have no idea what i put up with ... |
| 08:25.30 | encephalitogenic | http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=5bc1d1661d9c1173c82772dc7af22070 |
| 08:25.49 | isBEKaml | I have since then given up on facebook! :| |
| 08:26.14 | Igneous | facebook is dumb anyways. |
| 08:26.49 | Igneous | correction: all social networks are dumb. |
| 08:27.19 | postgres | depends on how social and in what way do you want to be |
| 08:27.32 | postgres | of course social works best in person |
| 08:29.16 | isBEKaml | postgres: I agree, social networking works best when in person, I merely use this for keeping in touch with friends from say, 10, 15 years ago... :) |
| 08:30.12 | postgres | works great for that; I suppose it's meeting new folks that works better in person |
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| 08:31.07 | isBEKaml | yes, precisely. |
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| 08:31.13 | clamiax | hi |
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| 08:31.32 | clamiax | how can i force the 10 half duplex for a network card? |
| 08:31.48 | enouf | ethtool |
| 08:31.59 | enouf | if anything |
| 08:32.00 | encephalitogenic | http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=5bc1d1661d9c1173c82772dc7af22070 |
| 08:32.13 | elijahwright | mii-tool, possibly, depending on card type... |
| 08:32.28 | clamiax | yeah, i'd read about ethool but i wondering if is there a way to put such setting in interfaces(5) or so |
| 08:32.29 | clamiax | isn't? |
| 08:32.30 | postgres | encephalitogenic: so -you- say... |
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| 08:33.09 | enouf | clamiax: add your ethtool command to some boot script .. or ifpreup* dirs there in /etc/network/ |
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| 08:33.28 | enouf | or a preup line in /interfaces |
| 08:33.46 | postgres | encephalitogenic: and the reason you posted that twice is? personally, I did get and then ignore it the first time :) |
| 08:33.52 | clamiax | enouf: yes, ok. THX |
| 08:34.23 | encephalitogenic | postgres, i need to collect 28 more clicks. click it: http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=5bc1d1661d9c1173c82772dc7af22070 |
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| 08:34.54 | enouf | !ops encephalitogenic likes being kicked for spamming |
| 08:34.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: encephalitogenic likes being kicked for spamming |
| 08:35.01 | clamiax | I have no network enabled, how can i fetch ethtool and all required dependencies by putting them into a directory? |
| 08:35.10 | clamiax | (likely in .deb) |
| 08:35.19 | clamiax | Can i? |
| 08:35.33 | enouf | huh? |
| 08:35.34 | postgres | encephalitogenic: to state this in a positive way... I appreciate your honesty |
| 08:36.01 | clamiax | enouf: i'll have to install ethtool into the interested machine, don't i? |
| 08:36.04 | enouf | postgres: is it atleast pr0n with hot babes? |
| 08:36.04 | clamiax | -.- |
| 08:36.19 | postgres | me click unknown link?! |
| 08:36.22 | enouf | clamiax: go get it from pdo and it's dependencies |
| 08:36.28 | postgres | nothanksk? |
| 08:36.41 | clamiax | enouf: wtf pdo? |
| 08:36.52 | enouf | !pdo |
| 08:36.53 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 08:37.00 | postgres | hot babes work better in person too |
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| 08:37.07 | clamiax | enouf: yeah, THX |
| 08:37.10 | clamiax | i'll be right back. |
| 08:37.11 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:37.13 | clamiax | bye |
| 08:37.33 | postgres | I don't know why you say hello I say bye |
| 08:37.44 | enouf | welp .. so much for going back to bed ... lmao |
| 08:38.06 | enouf | esthar: ! it's all your fault! |
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| 08:38.11 | postgres | it's definitely search for snack time |
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| 08:38.33 | enouf | needs a cold shower |
| 08:39.03 | enouf | but refuses to grin and bear it |
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| 08:43.17 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm using lenny and I can't seem to find mod_dav for apache in the repo. Suggestions? |
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| 08:47.45 | enouf | !why is libapache2-mod-dav not int testing |
| 08:47.45 | dpkg | enouf: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 08:48.11 | enouf | !why is libapache2-mod-dav not in testing |
| 08:48.12 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-dav is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-dav |
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| 08:51.54 | enouf | PiousMinion: i see it in orig Apache, not apache2 http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libapache-mod-dav |
| 08:52.07 | ManDay | Does anyone recall where a PXE compatible debian installer is ? |
| 08:52.14 | enouf | PiousMinion: likely deprecated - maybe another module does what it did |
| 08:52.27 | enouf | ManDay: netboot |
| 08:52.34 | enouf | !netboot |
| 08:52.35 | dpkg | methinks netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 08:52.42 | enouf | crap .. |
| 08:52.48 | enouf | !di |
| 08:52.48 | dpkg | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 08:52.57 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:54.23 | enouf | PiousMinion: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libapache2-mod-encoding |
| 08:54.40 | ManDay | enouf, thanks so far. unfortunally my eth card is not supported by the vanilla kernel |
| 08:55.50 | enouf | seems that aspect is rolled into mod-encoding "This module improves non-ascii filename interoperability of apache (and mod_dav)." |
| 08:56.23 | ManDay | enouf, I'm trying to figure out WHICH SPECIFIC network driver (which does not bear my vendor's name) has been activated in the debian PXE package (because it worked up to a point). |
| 08:56.24 | enouf | ManDay: hrm .. kernel.org vanilla? |
| 08:56.29 | enouf | which card? |
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| 08:56.37 | ManDay | Atheros81 wired |
| 08:56.57 | enouf | hrm .. does that use maybe madwifi drivers? |
| 08:57.02 | enouf | !madwifi |
| 08:57.02 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:57.24 | enouf | you should be specific about the actual Chip on the card |
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| 09:01.02 | krzd | hi |
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| 09:01.36 | krzd | is there any way to install debian while running an other os like ubuntu? |
| 09:02.11 | slicer_ | krzd: yeah on another partition ot disk |
| 09:02.33 | enouf | PiousMinion: do you feel like picking it up as maintainer? :-) http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-dav.html all i can tell about it, is it was stopped being maintained |
| 09:02.37 | krzd | slicer_: yeah, but how |
| 09:02.44 | slicer_ | install CD |
| 09:02.55 | zizzfizzix | hi guys, i have written udev rule, it's here: http://paste.debian.net/20488/ |
| 09:02.55 | enouf | !tell krzd -about debootstrap |
| 09:02.55 | zizzfizzix | and i get this errors in /var/log/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/20489/ |
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| 09:03.34 | zizzfizzix | do semebody know what is wrong with it? |
| 09:03.44 | zizzfizzix | somebody* |
| 09:04.21 | krzd | slicer_: i wanted to know how i do it without burining a cd/dvd and without a netinst from usb (my NIC doesn't work)... |
| 09:04.23 | krzd | enouf: thx |
| 09:04.56 | slicer_ | krzd: do what enouf said dbootstrap, and the chroot into it |
| 09:05.18 | slicer_ | damn keyboard :) |
| 09:06.09 | enouf | zizzfizzix: you realize you might need to alter other rules.d files, or even maybe the general udev.rules or something ... but lines 4 and 5 appear to be the culprit |
| 09:06.21 | slicer_ | krzd: it gets complicated tho so good luck |
| 09:06.40 | enouf | zizzfizzix: you can try udevcontrol reload_rules when testing ... or man udevadm |
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| 09:07.23 | zizzfizzix | enouf: i don't get it sorry, could you explain? |
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| 09:07.46 | enouf | zizzfizzix: and man udev{TAB}{TAB} might be an eye opener for you within all the various man pages |
| 09:08.06 | krzd | slicer_: i think it's very complicated, i think it would be easier to install the NIC driver to the netinst iso and isntall from usb |
| 09:08.50 | enouf | zizzfizzix: all i can say for pretty sure, is the syslog errors are saying it doesn't like 4. ACTION="add", GOTO="plugged" and line 5 |
| 09:09.00 | slicer_ | krzd: its probably easier to chroot, dbootstrap is the easy part. running X applications is where it gets hard. |
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| 09:09.28 | zizzfizzix | enouf: but d'you know what is wrong with them? or write it as it was good? |
| 09:09.29 | enouf | krzd: i wonder if http://goodbye-windows.com is for you ;-) |
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| 09:09.42 | enouf | zizzfizzix: sorry, no, not offhand |
| 09:10.07 | enouf | zizzfizzix: you've made a lot of progress though since i recall you asking about it |
| 09:10.14 | enouf | so continue ;-) |
| 09:10.59 | enouf | zizzfizzix: ya know what i'll do though ? one second |
| 09:11.17 | krzd | enouf: it looks nice. is it possible then to not dlete vista and resize vista? or do i have to resize vista before? |
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| 09:11.36 | zizzfizzix | enouf: yeah progress.. but still standing in the same place :( |
| 09:11.42 | enouf | krzd: vista does not need to be removed |
| 09:11.59 | Igneous | enouf, I didn't see anything specifically regarding interrupt sharing, however, there was an option about the bios controlling the irqs that was already on. I've been tinkering, and I've managed to correct my problem (although my glxgears fps is still low), by adding pci=bios as a kernel param |
| 09:12.03 | enouf | krzd: resize, if therefree disk space |
| 09:12.05 | slicer_ | krzd: you can resize without problems from right to left, if you get me. just don't move |
| 09:12.08 | enouf | krzd: resize, if there's no free disk space |
| 09:12.30 | krzd | yeah but resize before or while isntalling? |
| 09:12.39 | slicer_ | krzd: before |
| 09:12.46 | krzd | ok, thx |
| 09:12.47 | slicer_ | but don't move anything |
| 09:12.50 | enouf | krzd: follow the info, you do it from the d/l |
| 09:12.57 | enouf | while installing |
| 09:13.48 | krzd | ok |
| 09:14.04 | slicer_ | i would do it before, with gparted live CD. but if u dont have a CDrom or the media then you'll have to try a different approach. that'll probably screw |
| 09:14.34 | krzd | i've got an usb stick and gparted for usb, so gparted wouldn't make any probs |
| 09:14.37 | slicer_ | this is why i always install OS's off of boot media |
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| 09:14.45 | slicer_ | krzd: no |
| 09:15.01 | krzd | slicer_: why noà |
| 09:15.04 | krzd | ? |
| 09:15.18 | slicer_ | just ont resize to the right, make sure u resize to the left |
| 09:15.37 | enouf | zizzfizzix see if you can obtain any useful info from this video http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 pick from the Video Downloads column where "udev" is mentioned - i suggest High quality, since it's sometimes hard to see the screen's details |
| 09:15.38 | slicer_ | or you'll loose the mbr blah blah |
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| 09:15.59 | krzd | and it would take a loong time |
| 09:16.01 | slicer_ | and dont install grun to mbr, install to /dev/hda2 or /sda2 |
| 09:16.26 | slicer_ | what ever your hd configurtion is |
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| 09:16.40 | krzd | why not to the mbr? i've installed the ubuntu grub in the mbr, too |
| 09:16.45 | slicer_ | krzd: no depends how many gigs you shrink it too |
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| 09:17.09 | slicer_ | so your going to run ubuntu, vista, and debian off the same disk? |
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| 09:17.35 | slicer_ | krzd: windows uses the mbr |
| 09:18.03 | slicer_ | as long as debian has bootflag enabled you can install to the specific partion that linux is on |
| 09:18.16 | krzd | slicer_: yes i will run these 3, oh, then maybe haveen't set to isntall it in the mbr and it's good^^ |
| 09:18.45 | krzd | or better i want ;-) |
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| 09:19.23 | enouf | isBEKaml: hehe 25% [==================> ] 21,954,789 1.72M/s ETA 00:42 <-- that's the kind of speed i get .. when NOT using konqout :-P |
| 09:19.52 | isBEKaml | enouf: :P |
| 09:20.19 | postgres | so konqout makes your connection konqout? |
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| 09:22.11 | enouf | postgres: like pouring mud into a gasoline engine :-P |
| 09:22.57 | enouf | postgres: it seems not only is it horribly slow at loading things, but each tab open tried to RE-FUCKEN-LOAD when you just switch around already loaded pages@!!! |
| 09:23.14 | krzd | later i want to isntall it in the office... wich dvds do i need for installing a normal sys? all 5? |
| 09:23.42 | postgres | just get the netinst cd |
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| 09:23.56 | postgres | you can do everything from that if you have a supported net connection |
| 09:24.41 | postgres | "dvds" and "need" don't go together :) |
| 09:24.42 | isBEKaml | enouf: It's like, I'm receiving things in installments!! :D |
| 09:24.44 | krzd | postgres: but i won't install up to 10 computers via netinst, it takes a too loong time, it would be easier to downlaod first and isntall it on all |
| 09:24.44 | isBEKaml | rofl |
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| 09:25.41 | enouf | isBEKaml: haha .. it's like ... i'm web surfing .. and growing a beard! |
| 09:25.55 | slicer_ | krzd: this is all getting complicated |
| 09:26.08 | postgres | krzd what are the 10 computers for? |
| 09:26.16 | enouf | isBEKaml: the devs REALLY need to get a hold of some pentium2 era machines and make it work on that ;-) |
| 09:26.19 | krzd | as i said i want to isntall it in the office |
| 09:26.26 | isBEKaml | enouf: far better than the case when you turn into a skeleton downloading something..! remember the ad?? |
| 09:26.28 | krzd | but in the whole office |
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| 09:26.40 | isBEKaml | lol |
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| 09:26.59 | postgres | krzd: what os are people in the office running now |
| 09:27.35 | mnguyen | I just burned a net install CD of Debian 4.0r5, but it's not detecting my Intel Corporation 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection (rev 02). Anybody know why? |
| 09:27.38 | slicer_ | krzd: just a chair with wheel, and ten CDR's |
| 09:28.02 | krzd | postgres: for now windows, but the don't ahve problems with linux |
| 09:28.17 | enouf | zizzfizzix: oh, be aware there have been changes in Lenny's udev since, for ex; IINM things like udevmonitor and maybe others are now replaced with "udevadm" so read the related docs in /usr/share/doc and the man pages |
| 09:28.19 | krzd | slicer_: lol, yeah but do i need all 5 dvds? |
| 09:28.20 | erawfish | mnguyen: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 09:28.36 | erawfish | krzd: only the first |
| 09:28.40 | isBEKaml | krzd: Whole office? I suggest you get the bunch of Debian CDs sold by the local distributors... It's far more economical than running netinst on all 10 pcs.. |
| 09:28.49 | postgres | krzd: so the retraining of your staff isn't going to be too expensive? :) |
| 09:29.04 | slicer_ | krzd: if you want to loop the whole repo in apt, get the ten cd's |
| 09:29.06 | krzd | postgres: there is no retraining needed |
| 09:29.11 | enouf | krzd: apt-cache search systemimager |
| 09:29.16 | quentusrex | What does this mean? my server just e-mailed me: "checkarray: W: array md1 not idle, skipping..." |
| 09:29.21 | mnguyen | erawfish. I thought 4.0r5 was etchnhalf? |
| 09:29.24 | enouf | and /msg dpkg preseed even |
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| 09:29.28 | krzd | isBEKaml: i want to download the dvds, beacuse to buy it is to expensive |
| 09:29.33 | erawfish | mnguyen: what kernel does it use? |
| 09:29.40 | krzd | slicer_: i just want the standard isntall |
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| 09:29.59 | erawfish | krzd: debian has no standard install |
| 09:30.38 | krzd | erawfish: i mean the standard coniguration if you don't slected more packages as it's selected |
| 09:30.43 | postgres | krzd: basically you pick tasks which install after the base is installed |
| 09:31.00 | erawfish | krzd: and I told you long ago what you need |
| 09:31.21 | enouf | krzd: i'm just not sure how it handles various hardware devices .. scattered throughout the target machines .. should be able to handle it, since the initrd during install should handle that - not sure though |
| 09:31.25 | postgres | oh, good :) he's got what he needs then L( |
| 09:31.30 | postgres | :) |
| 09:31.44 | krzd | enouf: the computers are all the same |
| 09:31.53 | enouf | even easier |
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| 09:32.13 | enouf | quentusrex: check /etc/default/mdadm and /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
| 09:32.15 | krzd | erawfish: so the 1st dvd contains openoffice, firefox and gnome? |
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| 09:32.27 | enouf | and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* quentusrex |
| 09:32.32 | enouf | and man pages |
| 09:32.52 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 09:32.52 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 09:32.57 | postgres | krzd: it might.... but if it doesn't, you can always apt-get install it |
| 09:33.57 | postgres | oh, and jigdo is a good thing btw |
| 09:34.04 | enouf | if it works |
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| 09:34.21 | postgres | so it doesn't all the time? |
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| 09:34.38 | enouf | i thnk it's been broken a while .. not sure though |
| 09:34.49 | postgres | hmm |
| 09:35.07 | postgres | sounds like it isn';t supported anymore |
| 09:35.32 | enouf | i look in the Packages.gz files :-P |
| 09:35.39 | krzd | thx |
| 09:35.49 | enouf | but you'd need to know which packages you're looking for ' |
| 09:36.17 | isBEKaml | enouf: he'd come back, i guess.. :) |
| 09:36.28 | agoodNando | How can we chage the console font ? I mean, the fonts of ttys ? |
| 09:36.38 | enouf | and .. links2 is damned fast at allowing me to view inside .gzipped text files ;-) |
| 09:36.42 | krzd | enouf: i knwo which packages i need |
| 09:36.59 | postgres | can he set up a proxy aptable mirror that grabs packages as needed and serves already downloaded packages? |
| 09:37.07 | enouf | agoodNando: /etc/console-tools/config ? |
| 09:37.16 | isBEKaml | enouf: yeah, the slim interface reminded me of dillo, like a long time ago... |
| 09:37.29 | isBEKaml | dunno about bzip2 files with links2... |
| 09:38.01 | slicer_ | why is flash so bad lately? |
| 09:38.12 | slicer_ | i have 99% cpu usage |
| 09:38.14 | agoodNando | enouf: I'll take o look. I'm not an expert though. |
| 09:38.16 | agoodNando | Thanks |
| 09:38.21 | enouf | isBEKaml: well, i mean just to peek inside ;-) also, makes for a great/fast file browser ;-) |
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| 09:39.10 | postgres | I'm an expert in looking.... just ask those models over there... |
| 09:39.11 | isBEKaml | enouf: lol! |
| 09:39.28 | isBEKaml | rofl |
| 09:39.59 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, if you want to try a new font immediately, try "consolechars -f fontname". the fonts you can use are in /usr/share/consolefonts/. you can give the tool the name without the .psf.gz extension, tho. make sure you don't try fonts you aren't able to read ;) |
| 09:39.59 | enouf | isBEKaml: i think Dillo has been trying to make a comeback - go support it ;-) i liked that browser too |
| 09:40.28 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: OK. Thanks. |
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| 09:40.59 | enouf | blubberdiblub: thanks - nice info - now, can you tell me how to view each font to see if i like it prior? |
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| 09:41.31 | enouf | i cannot believe linux has no font viewer |
| 09:41.45 | enouf | even MPoop has one |
| 09:41.46 | blubberdiblub | enouf, exactly like that. it's not permanent. if you want an automatic fallback, use sleep and reexecute the command with a simple font ;) |
| 09:41.56 | enouf | gah! |
| 09:42.07 | enouf | ;oiuehfo;'uhefpoe |
| 09:42.23 | enouf | it's not your fault, but i'm pissed about that ... |
| 09:42.24 | blubberdiblub | there probably is a font viewer somewhere. have never felt the need to look for one, tho |
| 09:42.30 | enouf | there isn't |
| 09:42.35 | enouf | believe me, i looked |
| 09:42.35 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: I gentoo and archlinux I liked to use lat9w-16. Wich one do you use ? |
| 09:43.26 | krzd | bye |
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| 09:43.31 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, the one i get by default from the gfx card char rom. but if i have to restore to a font, i use lat0-08. a really plain one |
| 09:43.58 | agoodNando | Thanks. I'll give it a try. T |
| 09:44.09 | agoodNando | Thanks for your time, blubberdiblub :) |
| 09:44.49 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
| 09:45.30 | agoodNando | Wow! Really a nice font. :) |
| 09:45.45 | enouf | which? |
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| 09:45.58 | agoodNando | lat0-08 |
| 09:46.27 | enouf | ok then |
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| 09:46.55 | agoodNando | The font that come by default just don't let me type things as ` or ' |
| 09:47.04 | isBEKaml | enouf: The gtk-qt engine was already avbl in the lenny repos, I just had to download it and run firefox!! Wow! |
| 09:47.09 | agoodNando | It is a pain. |
| 09:48.48 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, hmm, but that may be due to a wrong charset map. check your /etc/console-tools/config. if SCREEN_FONT= lines are commented out with #, make sure APP_CHARSET_MAP= lines are commented out as well |
| 09:50.05 | enouf | heh - the -16 works nicer for me here ;-) |
| 09:50.25 | blubberdiblub | matter of taste, i like to have 50 lines ;) |
| 09:50.26 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: Also, I can't see half of the line in the bottom of the screen. |
| 09:50.32 | enouf | isBEKaml: well, that's Firepoop on kde you mean? |
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| 09:50.55 | enouf | blubberdiblub: i have like 100+ |
| 09:51.06 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, are you using an nvidia card and switching back from X? |
| 09:51.14 | isBEKaml | enouf: :D, yes.. |
| 09:51.14 | enouf | well .. not with -16 anymore i guess - maybe 50-60? |
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| 09:51.27 | enouf | isBEKaml: traitor!@ |
| 09:51.31 | enouf | :-) |
| 09:51.31 | agoodNando | I'm in tty, installing xorg and X at the moment. |
| 09:51.34 | rvalles | 09:45:58 < agoodNando> lat0-08 |
| 09:51.38 | rvalles | never liked it |
| 09:51.45 | rvalles | I love 8x8pearl |
| 09:51.46 | isBEKaml | ;) |
| 09:51.59 | enouf | tries rvalles suggestion |
| 09:52.04 | rvalles | (selectable @ kernel config as "old m68k console" or something) |
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| 09:52.24 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, consolechars usually sets the number of lines/rows correctly for me. but maybe it's because i'm using plain vga display, not framebuffer |
| 09:52.55 | isBEKaml | enouf: I was badly missing those online linux communities, though... :P |
| 09:53.34 | enouf | WHY o WHY do these WEENIES have to skew the / and any italics like 40 FRIGGIN DEGREES! |
| 09:53.39 | yunustj | hi, i have just downloaded debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso. I want to verify this iso whether it is valid or not before i burn it |
| 09:53.45 | enouf | rvalles: no pearl |
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| 09:54.08 | L4m3r | well this is annoying... I'm running a system with many PATA HDDs, using a controller card. |
| 09:54.13 | yunustj | please see #flood, is that correct? |
| 09:54.34 | enouf | yunustj: use the mdsum |
| 09:54.36 | L4m3r | sometimes the drives are ordered with onboard IDE first, other times with the card first |
| 09:54.38 | enouf | yunustj: use the md5sum |
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| 09:55.05 | enouf | oh .. and .. the Numlock NEVER cooperates when switching from X to ttys and back |
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| 09:55.22 | enouf | alsways does exactly the opposite of what it should do |
| 09:55.29 | isBEKaml | I faced a curious issue when upgrading to lenny, the Xserver apparently did not come installed with a VESA driver??? I had to install it... :| |
| 09:55.33 | L4m3r | which means the drive labels can vary every time the system boots... for instance fsck just failed because it was looking for /dev/hda1 on the wrong drive, because the controllers switched ordering |
| 09:55.34 | enouf | !insert |
| 09:55.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, insert is Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 09:55.54 | L4m3r | is there a way to make the ordering consistent between the onboard and PCI controllers? |
| 09:56.02 | blubberdiblub | L4m3r, address the partitions using UUIDs or partition labels instead of device names |
| 09:56.04 | enouf | L4m3r: fix your BIOS settings |
| 09:56.19 | L4m3r | what bios settings would do it? |
| 09:56.25 | enouf | and use LABELs or UUIDs as mentioned |
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| 09:56.39 | yunustj | enouf: yes already, see #flood. How can I compare the correct value? |
| 09:56.41 | enouf | L4m3r: the ones that control the Device/Bus boot order |
| 09:57.00 | L4m3r | oh, ok. I'll try that. |
| 09:57.17 | enouf | yunustj: you obtain the md5sum from where you got the ISO from - or it's Parent dir |
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| 09:57.26 | blubberdiblub | enouf, that does not help in forcing the kernel to detect them in a certain order, i guess |
| 09:57.32 | enouf | then "md5sum filename.iso" |
| 09:57.39 | enouf | blubberdiblub: yes it does |
| 09:57.54 | enouf | blubberdiblub: unless people have broken BIOSes |
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| 09:58.21 | enouf | blubberdiblub: i have 2 entirely separate Boot menus on this 1999 pII .. hehe |
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| 09:58.32 | blubberdiblub | i don't see how. can you explain? the kernel detects the raw hardware, as far as i know |
| 09:58.34 | enouf | one controls HDD, CDROM, Floppy order |
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| 09:58.50 | enouf | the Other controls PCI-Card Controller, HDD, NEtboot, etc |
| 09:58.58 | blubberdiblub | for booting, but that has nothing to do with the kernel detection |
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| 09:59.19 | enouf | if you play with your initrd and kernel versions, then yeah - you might run into issues - oh well |
| 09:59.27 | yunustj | enouf: thanks |
| 09:59.31 | enouf | blubberdiblub: sure it does |
| 09:59.57 | enouf | blubberdiblub: it's not kernel, but Grub (or i should say Bootloader) that's the issue |
| 10:00.19 | blubberdiblub | oh, grub was his issue? i didn't realize that, sorry |
| 10:00.54 | enouf | no no ... i'm saying, that's the underlying issue |
| 10:01.13 | blubberdiblub | no, grub and the kernel are two very separate things |
| 10:01.21 | enouf | no shit sherlock |
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| 10:02.12 | blubberdiblub | you are right, grub detection is influenced by boot order, kernel detection is not. my system indicates that it is so. if i swap around boot order, i have to fix grub config, but i don't have to fix linux device names |
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| 10:03.17 | enouf | blubberdiblub: go into your BIOS and switch the HDD boot order around (you need atleast two drives) ... now boot into Grub .. see if it boots the same HDD |
| 10:03.17 | enouf | as you expect |
| 10:03.17 | blubberdiblub | erm, have you read what i said? |
| 10:03.17 | enouf | k ;-) |
| 10:03.23 | enouf | i was writing! :-P |
| 10:03.46 | enouf | one of the many irc flaws ... |
| 10:04.01 | blubberdiblub | oh well :) |
| 10:04.06 | isBEKaml | enouf: eh? human flaws!! :P |
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| 10:05.04 | enouf | isBEKaml: we need some decent Speech Recognition software!! .. but then again - 600 people all babbling at once? O_O |
| 10:05.31 | freezer | hi hi |
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| 10:06.14 | isBEKaml | enouf: he he..! I mean, IRC was designed by humans and again, the users are those same that look at the keyboard while typing and not at the screen...! :P :P :P |
| 10:06.21 | postgres | don't be flawed by a fat |
| 10:06.27 | postgres | err clawed by a cat |
| 10:06.53 | enouf | isBEKaml: a keyboard is really a silly antiquated thing to use to communicate |
| 10:07.13 | enouf | isBEKaml: atleast it should be layed out like a Piano or even an Accordian |
| 10:07.13 | postgres | when esp is faster, if less accurate... |
| 10:07.29 | isBEKaml | enouf: no argumens, we need thought projection!!! ;) |
| 10:07.40 | isBEKaml | *arguments |
| 10:07.50 | enouf | !magic8ball amirite? |
| 10:07.57 | enouf | !8ball amirite? |
| 10:07.58 | dpkg | Unsure. |
| 10:08.00 | postgres | how many lumens is the bulb in your thought projector? |
| 10:08.07 | enouf | !8ball guess again |
| 10:08.08 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 10:08.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:08.37 | isBEKaml | ;) |
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| 10:10.01 | isBEKaml | postgres: lumens as in projection of light? Think into the future !! roflmao! |
| 10:10.31 | isBEKaml | :P |
| 10:15.14 | meandrain | :D |
| 10:15.22 | isBEKaml | ok, guys.. had a great time..! chat with ya all later... :) |
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| 10:27.07 | hellues | hey |
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| 10:27.29 | hellues | can someone help me ? There is no sound. |
| 10:27.36 | hellues | i am using debian lenny |
| 10:27.44 | `nstuff | thats normal on irc ;o |
| 10:27.45 | joneal | hi |
| 10:28.04 | XLV | yeah, its a mute dark world |
| 10:28.05 | joneal | I had sound problems. I had to run some program |
| 10:28.40 | hellues | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 10:29.03 | joneal | alsaconf |
| 10:29.11 | hellues | alsaconf not work |
| 10:29.14 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 10:29.15 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 10:29.23 | hellues | i did alsaconf and reboot computer |
| 10:29.41 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 10:29.41 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 10:29.42 | hellues | i forgt adding me to audio sorry :D |
| 10:29.47 | joneal | maybe you need drivers? |
| 10:29.54 | enouf | hellues: then it would work as root |
| 10:29.55 | hellues | i check |
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| 10:35.41 | blubberdiblub | heh, the factoid should warn about turning down the volume when doing this ;) such an unexpected noise could kill sensitive speakers or sensitive ears ;) |
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| 10:40.52 | sandman | In RAID1, it would seem that if an error occurs, there's no telling which drive actually had the error. |
| 10:41.12 | sandman | Other than to actually look at either drive, yes? I was wondering how this worked out with Linux Software RAID, if anyone knows... |
| 10:42.25 | blubberdiblub | sandman: the mdadm utility should be capable of displaying info in great detail |
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| 10:45.54 | nAgoHaK | hi. can I create a custum debian distro iso from an install debian system ? |
| 10:46.05 | nAgoHaK | installed* |
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| 10:52.16 | enouf | !custom cd |
| 10:52.17 | dpkg | i heard custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
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| 10:53.28 | enouf | nAgoHaK: also apt-cache show bootcd, and /msg dpkg debian-live , not sure which of any of these is best for what you want |
| 10:53.46 | Simon1245 | Hi can someone help me enable Sudo? |
| 10:54.18 | nAgoHaK | i have an installed and configured system on my pc. I want to create an install iso image of it with all packages and configs .. |
| 10:54.20 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 10:54.20 | dpkg | somebody said sudoers was You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 10:54.24 | agoodNando | I had sda1 for /boot sda2 for / sda3 for home and sda4 for swap. I deleted the swap and / partitions and now it is all messed up. I'd like to retalbe with that previous sequence it was without losing the /home files. Is ti possible with say, cfdisk ? I mean, use cfdisk to delete and rewrite the partition table ? |
| 10:55.06 | enouf | nAgoHaK: one more option would be systemimager perhaps |
| 10:55.24 | agoodNando | I have the all four partitions again, but they are in no sequence... |
| 10:56.04 | enouf | you poor guy |
| 10:56.28 | enouf | should always make backups prior to messing with things like that |
| 10:57.52 | enouf | seems for you, something as simple as sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.table.backup would've sufficed |
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| 10:58.20 | agoodNando | enouf: Is my sons' pc. There is not anything that valuable. I'd like not to lose some .config files from the home dir. |
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| 10:58.48 | enouf | burn a CDs or DVDs then ... copy over network to elsewhere |
| 10:59.08 | enouf | rsync, tar, gz, etc |
| 10:59.33 | Tenkawa | if he hasnt rebooted yet doesnt it still keep a copy of the current table in core somewhere? |
| 10:59.42 | Tenkawa | just need to extract the info out of that |
| 11:00.04 | enouf | try this tool http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ and then just recreate empty partitions in between - order really doesn't matter |
| 11:00.17 | Tenkawa | since if its the boot disk it won't reload the part table till next reboot "unless that behaviour changed" |
| 11:00.25 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 11:00.35 | enouf | but that's only in blocks of 1024 |
| 11:00.43 | quentusrex | Does someone here know about gpg key management? I'm wondering what to do if I have published my key to a key server, but I now think my private key was hacked. How do I revoke the old key, and still keep the ability to e-mail my contacts? |
| 11:01.18 | enouf | which might suffice, but he doesn't seem to comfortable playing with partition tables |
| 11:01.26 | enouf | s/to/too |
| 11:01.32 | Tenkawa | nod |
| 11:01.46 | Tenkawa | afk.. think I'm going to go back to sleep |
| 11:01.57 | Tenkawa | I only woke up to verify the tz change on my servers |
| 11:02.05 | Tenkawa | later all.. bbl |
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| 11:08.39 | sandman | blubberdiblub: I see, however... that doesn't really answer my question =/ |
| 11:08.44 | sandman | I was wondering specifically about RAID1 |
| 11:09.11 | enouf | sandman: what do you mean error? |
| 11:10.26 | enouf | 1st separate it into a) a hardware fault? or b) a software one |
| 11:10.49 | sandman | hardware. |
| 11:11.02 | sandman | A bit, for example, written incorrectly. |
| 11:11.29 | agoodNando | xtartx is complaining that cannot load nvida because the module does not exist. I sure is installed. modprbe nvidia does not return any error... |
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| 11:11.35 | agoodNando | startx* |
| 11:11.36 | sandman | Its value is "1" on drive 0, and "0" on drive 1. How is the RAID1 setup supposed to determine which one it's supposed to be, 0 or 1? |
| 11:12.12 | sandman | I was thinking with raid6, it appears each block of data is written thrice. So, using a "voting" system, as it were, one could easily determine what it's supposed to be. |
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| 11:12.32 | sandman | I would find it rare that having 4 drives, and 3 writes of each block, that 2 out of the 3 versions would be wrong. |
| 11:13.19 | sandman | So basically, in RAID6, if I'm thinking of this correctly, if there's an error in a block that is written, it could automatically figure out what it's supposed to be based upon majority rule; if 2 of the 3 blocks say it is supposed to be a 1, then it might be safe to assume it's supposed to be 1. |
| 11:13.27 | enouf | that's not only not hardware level, but it's FS/block level, and Superblock related |
| 11:13.31 | sandman | But in RAID1, there's no way to tell what it's supposed to be. |
| 11:13.50 | sandman | Oh. So the filesystem should be able to determine this? |
| 11:14.08 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, have you also installed nvidia-glx ? |
| 11:14.23 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: No. |
| 11:14.34 | enouf | sandman: i'm no expert, but on first blush, i'm going to say yes, IIUC |
| 11:14.57 | sandman | I mean I'm rather confused about the whole RAID thing in regards to error correction. I know many RAID setups, aside from RAID0, have error detection. But what about error correction? |
| 11:15.19 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, well, it's the Xorg side part of the driver. you'll need that, too |
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| 11:15.41 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: OK. Thanks again. |
| 11:16.03 | agoodNando | blubberdiblub: Where or how can I learn things like this ? |
| 11:16.22 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 11:16.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:16.48 | enouf | sandman: i haven't thought about that much ... and .. i'm eating now ;-) |
| 11:17.27 | agoodNando | nvidia the debian way has never worked for me. |
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| 11:17.37 | enouf | it has for me |
| 11:17.45 | blubberdiblub | for me, too |
| 11:17.51 | enouf | then i removed the piece of garbage |
| 11:18.06 | xand | what program can I use to achieve the same port forwarding as this without ssh? ssh -gL 8080:192.168.1.1:8080 localhost |
| 11:18.15 | enouf | i was looking for some possible 2D boost .. no go |
| 11:18.22 | agoodNando | The strange is tha I tried with nv and vesa and no X up. |
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| 11:18.46 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, if you're using the nvidia.com supplied driver, forget what i said about nvidia-glx ... |
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| 11:19.22 | agoodNando | Yes. I'm using that one. |
| 11:20.06 | blubberdiblub | well, then be prepared for all kinds of problems |
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| 11:21.11 | agoodNando | The wiki says "some users report that when the debian way fails, the nvidia way don't". The debian way fails to me. I'll try it again, though. |
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| 11:22.32 | blubberdiblub | agoodNando, be sure to remove the nvidia.com driver before trying the debian packages, tho |
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| 11:22.48 | agoodNando | OK. Thanks. |
| 11:23.11 | enouf | agoodNando: look in /usr/src for leftover crap |
| 11:23.26 | agoodNando | OK. |
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| 11:24.18 | enouf | no matter where it came from |
| 11:24.28 | agoodNando | Well, thank you guys. I have to do something else rith now. I'll go throughout this matter again later. See you. |
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| 11:32.36 | enouf | xand: i don't get what you |
| 11:32.42 | enouf | 're looking for |
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| 11:33.25 | enouf | xand: you could port forward with a router, or iptables, no? |
| 11:33.51 | enouf | xand: do you need encryption? do you mean openvpn type things? |
| 11:34.55 | enouf | slowly crawls back under the covers ... |
| 11:35.28 | xand | can't use iptables |
| 11:35.39 | xand | i just want to port forward on the localhost... ssh will do |
| 11:36.17 | martin3z | i have rror in compiling 2.6.26.7 kernel: "__bad_udelay" [drivers/net/tokenring/tms380tr.ko] undefined! Do you have any suggestions? |
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| 11:40.50 | alkhawarizmi | hi guys i m a newbie to linux world i want to install debian in my pc witch version should i go for Thanks! |
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| 11:41.55 | acemi | alkhawarizmi: lenny |
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| 11:42.56 | adb | !lenny |
| 11:42.57 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 11:49.59 | alkhawarizmi | i have a debian distribution in my host server and really i dont know some times what i do with fils config just guessing is a mess so some people tell me that i should go for ubuntu .What do u think . |
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| 11:58.45 | enouf | alkhawarizmi: try to read a lot and learn? |
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| 12:00.13 | enouf | find yourself an older pc you can setup just for messing around on? learn bash, and the shell ... read man pages, see /usr/share/doc/* ... |
| 12:00.15 | alkhawarizmi | i will |
| 12:01.06 | enouf | see tldp.org, see linuxcommand.org ... wikipedia.org .. ask dpkg the bot :-) |
| 12:01.18 | testi | I want certain users to be able to configure their own programs to be run at system startup. Which tools should I use? |
| 12:01.29 | enouf | !tell alkhawarizmi about grounding |
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| 12:03.03 | zizzfizzix | i get: E: Unsupported extension: gz during sources updating using aaptitude, what is it? |
| 12:03.14 | enouf | grant them each their own well defined sudo settings, see /etc/sudoers, man sudo, man sudeors - "running at system startup" is a contradiction to "user" |
| 12:03.26 | zizzfizzix | using sid, and it stopps |
| 12:03.35 | enouf | testi: you might mean you want to setup a VM for each user .. |
| 12:03.47 | testi | enouf: no, no vm |
| 12:06.09 | enouf | zizzfizzix: pastebin command + all output |
| 12:06.29 | enouf | zizzfizzix: snip out repetitve messages |
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| 12:07.59 | testi | enouf: sorry, of course i wanted to say: run automatically right after system startup |
| 12:08.49 | testi | I can't see how sudo can help me |
| 12:09.52 | testi | I want each user to configure his programs to run at startup like he can with "crontab -e" |
| 12:09.59 | enouf | no |
| 12:10.11 | enouf | conflicts |
| 12:10.25 | enouf | unless you mean in a DE setting |
| 12:10.48 | zizzfizzix | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/20494/ it's only log from fetching sources and error at the bottom |
| 12:11.19 | enouf | each user should have their own /home/username which contains their preferences |
| 12:11.26 | enouf | !dotfiles |
| 12:11.27 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
| 12:11.49 | testi | DE setting? |
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| 12:12.58 | enouf | zizzfizzix: ... |
| 12:12.59 | acemi | testi: I think that root have to add a link in /etc/init.d for each user |
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| 12:13.41 | zizzfizzix | enouf: ? |
| 12:14.04 | enouf | zizzfizzix: i don't even know where to begin ... |
| 12:14.16 | enouf | you must be joking |
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| 12:14.49 | zizzfizzix | enouf: so you're laughing at me |
| 12:14.58 | enouf | basically .. |
| 12:15.01 | enouf | sowwy |
| 12:15.34 | zizzfizzix | enouf: yeah, so begin let me hear the pain |
| 12:16.20 | enouf | i think i see one official debian repo there .. out of hundreds it seems |
| 12:16.28 | enouf | sidux? google? |
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| 12:16.46 | zizzfizzix | enouf: what's wrong with them? |
| 12:16.47 | enouf | wtf is wrong with you? nevermind experimental ... |
| 12:16.58 | testi | acemi: are there no preconfigured packages that set that up for me, so the users just have to place programs into their autostart-directory in their home? |
| 12:17.01 | zizzfizzix | enouf: it was all fine.. |
| 12:17.22 | enouf | zizzfizzix: consider yourself really lucky ... in the past |
| 12:17.28 | zizzfizzix | enouf: if you wish i can pastebin sources.list |
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| 12:17.45 | zizzfizzix | enouf: ehh it *works* great :) |
| 12:17.47 | enouf | no need - it's all there .. lmao |
| 12:18.05 | acemi | testi: I don't know any package like that |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: #sidux support is in #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:18.27 | enouf | testi: that's DE related as i mentioned |
| 12:18.32 | zizzfizzix | enouf: besides repos what's wrong? |
| 12:18.44 | enouf | abrotman: he's got all sorts of repos mixed in there .. |
| 12:19.23 | enouf | zizzfizzix: i already mentioned - namely the experimental is not a release that you upgrade to |
| 12:19.29 | enouf | s/the/that |
| 12:19.42 | zizzfizzix | enouf: but i'm not upgrading to experimental |
| 12:20.00 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: you cannot mix versions of debian and different versions of linux |
| 12:20.19 | zizzfizzix | abrotman: what different versions of linux? |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | sidux is not debian |
| 12:20.43 | enouf | i suspect you have some pinning going on then? |
| 12:20.50 | testi | enouf: what is DE? |
| 12:21.03 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: comment out the wx apt source ..t ry again |
| 12:21.04 | enouf | but that's the after thought zizzfizzix |
| 12:21.19 | enouf | !DE |
| 12:21.19 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 12:21.38 | enouf | wishes dpkg understood CAPS |
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| 12:21.55 | testi | enouf: Desktop Environment - no sorry - I'm really not speaking of desktop environment autostart. I'm speaking of login less autostart of course. |
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| 12:22.13 | zizzfizzix | enouf, abrotman: with sidux you're perfectly right |
| 12:22.20 | zizzfizzix | i was fool :D |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: so go ask #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:22.52 | enouf | testi: stop beating around the bush - give us an example |
| 12:23.00 | zizzfizzix | abrotman: i will remove sidux-lines from sources, and try again |
| 12:23.08 | abrotman | it's too late |
| 12:23.38 | xand | how do I get gnomebaker to detect my sata dvd writer? I'm in the cdrom group |
| 12:24.07 | abrotman | there's a detect button |
| 12:24.10 | zizzfizzix | abrotman: why? i didn't dist-upgrade to sidux |
| 12:24.11 | enouf | xand: does cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info show it? |
| 12:24.23 | xand | hm |
| 12:24.25 | enouf | xand: how about dmesg | grep -i ATAPI |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: whatever .. enjoy your mess |
| 12:24.46 | enouf | right |
| 12:24.56 | xand | yes, and it works fine with wodim |
| 12:25.19 | enouf | zizzfizzix: i can't help ... no offense, i'm not trying to embarress. .. but .. |
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| 12:25.51 | zizzfizzix | enouf: yeah right.. |
| 12:25.52 | xand | ok I got it to work sepcifying it manually, it doesn't autodetect it for some reason |
| 12:25.55 | xand | nm |
| 12:26.06 | enouf | xand: then i don't know other than maybe gnome specific things, maybe gnome-volume-manager ? gnome-control-panel ? gconf-editor? |
| 12:26.23 | xand | bah, I don't use gnome |
| 12:26.59 | enouf | zizzfizzix: c'mon .. i tried to help with udev rules .. but supporting non-debian? c'mon .. in a #debian channel? |
| 12:27.19 | enouf | xand: you do now ;-) |
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| 12:28.27 | zizzfizzix | enouf: shit, it's debian, aptitude is from debian and else is from debian, maybe a few packages are from sidux, and i wouldn't be so sure so it must be debian |
| 12:29.03 | abrotman | then it's not debian |
| 12:29.03 | enouf | zizzfizzix: ok .. whatever you like, please stop asking me though .. |
| 12:29.13 | enouf | thank you |
| 12:29.18 | abrotman | and i gave you your answer quite some time ago .. but it's still offtopic |
| 12:29.24 | vlt | jernst: No. YouTube flash videos work fine, btw. It happens every time I try to play a video from mtv.de/videos (which works fine on another machine). |
| 12:29.31 | zizzfizzix | sry, thanks though |
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| 12:31.31 | enouf | xand: fwiw, you might be missing important 'gnome-vfs' related things (since you seem to say you don't use gnome, i'm presuming you've installed as minimal as needed to use gnomebaker) |
| 12:31.49 | xand | well gnome is installed I just use fluxbox instead |
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| 12:32.05 | enouf | then tell fluxbox to detect it :-P |
| 12:32.10 | xand | I'd use mkisofs but I can't remember the options and cba for burning one CD |
| 12:32.17 | xand | fluxbox has nothing to do with CD drives |
| 12:32.17 | enouf | haha ... |
| 12:32.23 | enouf | no shit sherlock |
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| 12:32.40 | abrotman | !burn iso |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 12:32.44 | enouf | and .. it's genisoimage now |
| 12:33.24 | zugo | Hello everybody. I've got a small problem. I'm planning to install Debian on a computer without any network card. I only have a NetInstall CD. I want to try installing with my WPN111 Wireless USB Key. May it be autodetected ? And is ndiswrapper available in the netinstall prompt ? |
| 12:33.28 | enouf | xand: for burning a premade ISO? |
| 12:33.35 | xand | no. |
| 12:33.42 | xand | that would be easy |
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| 12:34.22 | enouf | xand: for making a bootable ISO image? |
| 12:35.02 | xand | no, just some files |
| 12:35.30 | abrotman | so you're using gnomebaker to create an iso ? |
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| 12:35.54 | enouf | reaches for the really big Pliers |
| 12:36.21 | liable | kde's font size handling is fucking infuriating |
| 12:36.41 | enouf | haha ... more kde pain .. sorry man ... i can't help it |
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| 12:36.50 | xand | abrotman: just to burn some photos on a CD! |
| 12:37.16 | liable | yes, i am going to ditch it. not going to be a gnome tard though.. |
| 12:38.07 | enouf | liable: btw, is that kde4 stuff? |
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| 12:38.39 | Raylz | how is the stable version with a new kernel called? |
| 12:38.53 | liable | enouf: no idea, whatever is in sid. its been retarded for a long time though. i have just finally gotten totally sick of it though |
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| 12:39.00 | enouf | heh |
| 12:39.11 | enouf | zugo: hang on a minute |
| 12:39.26 | jelly-home | zugo: uh, even if ndiswrapper were available on netinst, the windows driver binaries couldn't be |
| 12:39.41 | zugo | jelly-home > I can import them on a USB Key |
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| 12:40.07 | jelly-home | zugo: you can also make a bootable usb image out of netinst, then |
| 12:40.18 | zugo | Not bad idea |
| 12:40.28 | jelly-home | debian should really provide a ready-made one |
| 12:40.42 | zugo | Is WPN111 working out-of-the-box ? |
| 12:41.06 | zizzfizzix | enouf |
| 12:42.37 | Doctor_Nick | only zuul |
| 12:42.51 | jelly-home | zugo: cannot be answered without knowing the exact chip and/or usbid on that card |
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| 12:42.58 | zugo | Ok |
| 12:43.03 | zugo | I'm going to search for that |
| 12:43.23 | jelly-home | zugo: if you need ndiswrapper, it won't |
| 12:43.33 | liable | why on earth does it give me 768x1028 fonts on a 1200x1600 screen! arg! |
| 12:43.35 | enouf | zugo: this is about all i got http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-2522460048fd92cb8a53c3c0f176ca741033be57 |
| 12:44.07 | enouf | zizzfizzix: yes dear? |
| 12:44.27 | jelly-home | wishes there was a clearly labeled "usb image" on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 12:44.54 | liable | zugo: what is wpn111? |
| 12:45.22 | jelly-home | liable: [...] I want to try installing with my WPN111 Wireless USB Key. |
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| 12:45.46 | liable | zugo: see linuxwireless.org for a start |
| 12:45.54 | phz | Pidgin 2.4.3 is in unstable even though 2.5 was released in August or something and has been in experimental since. I understand testing is in the freeze process, is that related to why Pidgin doesn't upgrade in unstable? |
| 12:46.31 | jelly-home | phz: yes |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:47.29 | testi | enouf: looks like "crontab -e" does exactly the job i want using the @reboot directive |
| 12:47.34 | phz | jelly-home, abrotman: OK, thanks. I am now wiser. |
| 12:48.02 | enouf | testi: then i completely misunderstood you |
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| 12:48.10 | Raylz | how fast does debian patch security bugs? |
| 12:48.22 | abrotman | depends on the bug i suppose |
| 12:49.37 | Raylz | is there any average day count? |
| 12:50.05 | enouf | testi: i guess now i see what you wanted, many users, but only one at a time operating, and reboots in between each user .. ok, yeah, man 5 crontab |
| 12:50.09 | asg | enouf: I've been here for 25 years |
| 12:50.15 | enouf | ... |
| 12:50.29 | enouf | asg: what did i do to deserve this? |
| 12:50.31 | asg | 11:57 #debian: < enouf> asg: did you recently move to the US? :-P |
| 12:50.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:50.34 | Gryfelhas | I'm booting into console and don't use a displaymanager. How can I autologin as user (no password) to startx ? |
| 12:50.57 | enouf | asg: oh crap .. haha ... yeah, cause your Lunch schedule was my Noon :-) |
| 12:51.15 | enouf | asg: i always thought you were some Eurotrash .. :-P |
| 12:51.18 | enouf | runs |
| 12:51.23 | Gryfelhas | ah, ok, silly question..... rtfm ;) |
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| 12:51.25 | XTZGZoReX | Is there nothing like dos2unix on Debian? |
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| 12:51.35 | asg | enouf: haha, I get that a lot |
| 12:51.51 | asg | XTZGZoReX: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
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| 12:52.28 | enouf | asg: oh, i think i know why .. the overuse of the word "pub" :-P |
| 12:52.37 | shl | I have a Dual-Core AMD Opteron and I'm running etch. Which kernel image should I use? |
| 12:52.46 | Aldus | hi I'm gettin gstarted to debian. I want to make a simple system batch script, so that if I do the "roma" command it simply makes cd /var/www/roma |
| 12:53.03 | Aldus | I would like this command to be available everywhere (like putting in a system path) what should i do to do so? |
| 12:53.08 | abrotman | Raylz: there used to be .. but it really does depend on the bug |
| 12:53.25 | Raylz | abrotman: ah ok |
| 12:53.32 | cahoot | Aldus: just make an alias? |
| 12:53.33 | abrotman | Raylz: which package? which bug? |
| 12:53.45 | Aldus | cahoot could be good, how can I do it? |
| 12:53.48 | asg | enouf: no matter how long I'm here, there are still some anglicanisms that pop out |
| 12:54.05 | enouf | asg: aha! ... :-) |
| 12:54.19 | enouf | you are from across the pond |
| 12:54.25 | cahoot | Aldus: try this: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=27 |
| 12:54.44 | asg | enouf: yes originally |
| 12:55.05 | Aldus | thanks |
| 12:55.06 | Raylz | abrotman: i remember the kernel bug, where you could access root rights (something like vm user_splice) |
| 12:55.07 | enouf | very nice . .now ... please vote ;-) |
| 12:55.25 | abrotman | Raylz: been fixed for a very very long time |
| 12:55.38 | asg | enouf: I'm not a .us citizen though |
| 12:55.47 | Raylz | abrotman: i know, but i recall it was fixed fast as hell |
| 12:55.56 | enouf | asg: when you said the 25 yrs thing, i thought you meant on irc for that long, haha .. ;-P |
| 12:56.01 | Aldus | works perfectly thanks |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | Raylz: it was pretty serious |
| 12:56.11 | enouf | asg: it's ok .. well sneak you in :-) |
| 12:56.44 | asg | enouf: no, irc has only been around for 20 years or so. I didn't use it until sometime around 93 or so. |
| 12:57.00 | enouf | asg: i hear stoned isn't going to vote, i think i'll go grab his and give it to you ;-) |
| 12:57.20 | enouf | asg: righto - hence my .. gasp |
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| 12:59.11 | enouf | Raylz: you mean this? http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7147934297.html |
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| 13:00.53 | Raylz | enouf: ye, exactly |
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| 13:01.29 | Gryfelhas | How can I delete my users password ? the passwd-comand won't accept return |
| 13:01.48 | jelly-home | Gryfelhas: delete it? |
| 13:02.25 | jelly-home | at the Password: prompt? |
| 13:02.31 | enouf | Raylz: well, once the openssl thing came to light, the devs were all over it right away, like white on rice ;-) |
| 13:02.47 | acemi | Gryfelhas: do you want to use null password |
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| 13:03.12 | jelly-home | Gryfelhas: ctrl-u will delete the whole line; use ctrl-j instead of the Enter key if it fails for some reason |
| 13:03.13 | enouf | usermod |
| 13:03.30 | Gryfelhas | jes, a nullpassword, ok, thx |
| 13:03.36 | jelly-home | oh, ... he wanted an empty password. Weird. |
| 13:03.49 | jelly-home | the thought never crossed my mind |
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| 13:04.10 | Gryfelhas | I just want to stop boottime into x on my eeepc ;) |
| 13:04.18 | enouf | ... |
| 13:04.24 | Raylz | enouf: how fast was it fixed? |
| 13:04.28 | Gryfelhas | Later I will add it again ;) |
| 13:05.25 | enouf | Raylz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html |
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| 13:07.01 | enouf | Raylz: many people also started work on all other various surrounding aspects, for one; http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 13:07.55 | acemi | Gryfelhas: you can configure gdm to start session automaticly |
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| 13:08.17 | acemi | without asking password |
| 13:08.17 | Raylz | enouf: thx for the info |
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| 13:12.03 | Gryfelhas | acemi: I hoped, I don't use a displaymanager :) |
| 13:12.10 | Gryfelhas | I deletet the password |
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| 13:17.41 | acemi | Gryfelhas: is the problem solved? I don't understand what you mean with 'delete password' |
| 13:17.49 | acemi | Gryfelhas: is the problem solved? I don't understand what you mean with 'delete password' |
| 13:18.48 | Gryfelhas | acemi: I don't want a user-passwort |
| 13:19.05 | Gryfelhas | and no loginpromt ar the console, where I boot to |
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| 13:19.24 | Gryfelhas | I 'm trying to modify /etc/rc.local at the moment |
| 13:19.29 | Gryfelhas | to startx |
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| 13:19.40 | Gryfelhas | as my user |
| 13:19.49 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:20.45 | Posterdati | please I got this problem with new floppy drive and new verbatim 1.44 MB floppy disk during format verifying: Problem reading cylinder 0, expected 18432, read -1 |
| 13:21.08 | EgS | floppy? those things still exist? |
| 13:21.14 | Posterdati | EgS: yes |
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| 13:22.29 | stwn | hello all |
| 13:22.43 | stwn | :) |
| 13:22.50 | Gryfelhas | Egs: Yes, I have a box of 5 1/4 floppys ;) |
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| 13:24.01 | EgS | Gryfelhas: jeah I've got some good old 5 1/4 too... from my SX64 and early pc times :) |
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| 13:25.40 | stwn | anyone know how to make post-install doesn't ask me or will answer y/n/skip automatically when a package such as hpoj just installed via apt-get install? |
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| 13:28.51 | acemi | Gryfelhas: http://paste.debian.net/20503/ |
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| 13:32.26 | Gryfelhas | thx acemi |
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| 13:35.19 | enouf | stwn: dpkg-reconfigure debconf? dunno what hpoj is |
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| 13:36.52 | enouf | Posterdati: i forget if i use fdformat, or just mkdosfs on the thing |
| 13:37.20 | stwn | enouf: hpoj - hp officejet linux driver |
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| 13:39.13 | stwn | enouf: i've just found an article how to generate answers..i'm reading it. |
| 13:39.29 | stwn | but this is for debian installer, it's called preseed |
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| 13:39.43 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 13:40.16 | enouf | stwn: yeah, installer isn't apt-get |
| 13:40.54 | uzbek | my dvd drive isnt' working. Before, when i insert dvd, an icon will appear in the desktop. now there's nothing on the desktop. Any tips? thanx! |
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| 13:43.33 | simonrvn | how do you know the drive isn't working... checked dmesg? |
| 13:45.26 | enouf | uzbek: dmesg | grep -i atapi and cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 13:45.53 | cahoot | gnome-volume-manager died? |
| 13:45.58 | enouf | uzbek: using gnome? try gnome-volume-manager or whatever it's called .. |
| 13:46.21 | uzbek | enouf, no, im using xfce4 |
| 13:47.17 | enouf | wishes _someone_ that uses gnome would paste for the bot, output of "man gnome-[TAB][TAB]" to keep track of all that shit |
| 13:47.35 | enouf | and .. from Etch and Lenny/Sid as they are different |
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| 13:48.16 | enouf | uzbek: i still think it's using the gnome infrastruture for DE stuffs .. not certain though - like gnome-vfs |
| 13:48.24 | uzbek | http://dpaste.com/88286/ enouf |
| 13:48.49 | uzbek | enouf, maybe, i don't know exactly, but it sure uses gtk2 |
| 13:49.08 | enouf | uzbek: here = http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html for later - bookmark it or something .. oh crap .. nm |
| 13:50.25 | enouf | uzbek: ok, seems like just a DE issue - you can still burn using the shell or firing up a burning app |
| 13:50.40 | enouf | uzbek: automount issue maybe ... |
| 13:50.47 | enouf | !automount |
| 13:50.48 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 13:50.52 | uzbek | enouf how can i mount it? |
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| 13:50.59 | enouf | so much for Xfce, .. hehe |
| 13:51.06 | enouf | uzbek: mount what? |
| 13:51.11 | uzbek | dvd? |
| 13:51.12 | enouf | exactly |
| 13:51.16 | enouf | you don't |
| 13:51.22 | enouf | why would you? |
| 13:51.38 | uzbek | i'd like to copy the data in dvd |
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| 13:51.48 | enouf | is it a Data DVD? |
| 13:51.59 | simonrvn | enouf: effing list that is |
| 13:52.03 | enouf | uzbek: lsmod | egrep 'isofs|udf' |
| 13:52.18 | uzbek | enouf isofs 32312 1 |
| 13:52.22 | enouf | simonrvn: f'n A ;-) |
| 13:52.33 | enouf | uzbek: modprobe udf |
| 13:52.44 | uzbek | nothing |
| 13:52.48 | enouf | uzbek: lsmod | egrep 'isofs|udf' |
| 13:53.10 | uzbek | udf 76196 0 |
| 13:53.10 | uzbek | isofs 32312 1 |
| 13:53.13 | enouf | eject -t /dev/hdc |
| 13:53.23 | enouf | oops - i mean eject /dev/hdc |
| 13:53.27 | enouf | then the other |
| 13:53.43 | simonrvn | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/20507/ |
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| 13:54.13 | enouf | simonrvn: o m f g ! |
| 13:54.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 13:54.21 | simonrvn | man and executable.. they don't all have one. |
| 13:54.28 | enouf | simonrvn: botize that thing! :-P |
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| 13:54.42 | jelly-home | botizes enouf |
| 13:54.59 | simonrvn | you do it, your idea. |
| 13:55.03 | jelly-home | !enouf |
| 13:55.03 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 13:55.09 | simonrvn | i have a cold |
| 13:56.46 | uzbek | enouf, thanx, the dvd icon appeared. but i didn't understand what solved the problem? eject -t? |
| 13:56.48 | enouf | simonrvn: ok, maybe when you feel better? (/me knows no gnome, has no gnome) |
| 13:57.06 | enouf | uzbek: echo udf >> /etc/modules |
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| 13:57.22 | enouf | uzbek: understand now? :-) |
| 13:57.34 | simonrvn | you do it, your idea. |
| 13:57.43 | uzbek | nothing, blank |
| 13:57.45 | enouf | uzbek: ejecting it just made the DE rescan for new media |
| 13:58.05 | uzbek | oh, now i got it. thanx a lot enouf |
| 13:58.05 | enouf | uzbek: go read the contents of /etc/modules now |
| 13:58.16 | enouf | np |
| 13:58.24 | simonrvn | uzbek: 'exit 0' means a successful command |
| 13:59.05 | uzbek | simonrvn, thanx |
| 13:59.13 | enouf | uzbek: ensure your line in /etc/fstab for hdc has iso9660,udf (just for good measure) |
| 13:59.58 | uzbek | ok, enouf |
| 14:01.37 | enouf | !tickle jelly-home |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | tickles jelly-home until jelly-home passes out. |
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| 14:10.27 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 14:10.28 | kunshin | hello, i just added new user using adduser comman |
| 14:10.55 | kunshin | command*, i want ot give him permissions on some websites directories, how ? |
| 14:11.11 | rysiek|pl | I am trying to make a backup of my sd card and I keep failing. is backing-up SD cards with dd a bad idea? |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | or tell us the command you're using |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: which version of debian ? |
| 14:12.00 | rysiek|pl | testing |
| 14:12.08 | rysiek|pl | but it shouldn't matter, should it? |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: it might |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | which command are you using? |
| 14:12.47 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: oh, that was to me... dd if=/dev/my_card_dev of=some.file |
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| 14:12.55 | abrotman | and what's the error ? |
| 14:13.33 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: none, but after getting everything back on the card with dd if=some.file of=/dev/... the md5sums are different |
| 14:13.40 | jogla | Is there a tool for testing a harddrive? |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | md5sums of what? |
| 14:13.55 | jogla | Its an usb-hdd, and i'm not sure if it does work |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | jogla: which type of hardware? |
| 14:14.02 | abrotman | plug it in? |
| 14:14.02 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: and (this SD image contains a filesystem for Neo FreeRunner) it doesn't boot |
| 14:14.15 | jogla | abrotman: pluggin it in does work |
| 14:14.25 | jogla | I even can write on it |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: whats' the actual command you're using? |
| 14:14.41 | jogla | But i don't know if i can write it full and get the same data back for example |
| 14:15.02 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: to create the backup image: dd bs=8M if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=some.file |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | why muck with block size? |
| 14:15.34 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: to put the image back on the card: dd bs=8M if=some.file of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:15.48 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: humm, actually it makes things faster |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | faster != better |
| 14:16.15 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: maybe I'll try without bs= (i.e. "no bullshit" ;) ) |
| 14:16.20 | jelly-home | and writing with a too small block size could be disastrous |
| 14:16.34 | abrotman | he didn't say what md5sums he was comparing |
| 14:16.39 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home, abrotman: hadn't thought about that |
| 14:16.44 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: I did say |
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| 14:16.56 | rysiek|pl | a, no, I didn;t |
| 14:16.58 | rysiek|pl | wait |
| 14:17.04 | abrotman | nor did you say which libc6 |
| 14:17.23 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: man, you have to give me at least time to respond |
| 14:17.58 | abrotman | maybe you need a faster keyboard |
| 14:17.59 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: md5sums of: [original] /dev/mmcblk0, some.file (the image file) and the resulting /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | do any of them match at all? |
| 14:18.25 | abrotman | did you compare filesizes? |
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| 14:18.34 | jelly-home | rysiek|pl: do the sizes of the blockdevice and your dump match? |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: you need a faster keyboard too! :) |
| 14:18.53 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: meh, whatever, if I am too slow for your liking, well, happens |
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| 14:19.04 | jelly-home | rysiek|pl: blockdev --getsize64 /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:19.07 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: gimme a sec, I'm creating a new image without the bs= flag |
| 14:19.21 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: I'll try that, thanks |
| 14:19.22 | Blastur | whats the easiest way to change the permissions of all directories to something, and all files to something else? |
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| 14:19.40 | jelly-home | rysiek|pl: you can do that while the image is being created, too |
| 14:20.28 | jelly-home | Blastur: find. |
| 14:20.36 | jelly-home | Blastur: /msg dpkg using find |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | blames the ubuntu distro |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | Blastur: why would you do that? |
| 14:21.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: because he doesn't want the file executable? |
| 14:21.27 | enouf | smells windows |
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| 14:21.34 | jelly-home | files* |
| 14:21.54 | KRF | Blastur, something like "find . -type d | xargs chmod ..." for dirs |
| 14:22.22 | rysiek|pl | Blastur: is it about making the dirs executable and files not? |
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| 14:24.39 | enouf | dirs need +x to even read, no? |
| 14:24.39 | jelly-home | KRF: you're missing -print0 and -0 |
| 14:24.39 | rysiek|pl | Blastur: then a simple chmod -R a+X some/dir/ will set +x all the dirs in some/dir/, but not on files |
| 14:24.39 | enouf | really smells mpoop now |
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| 14:25.03 | enouf | !8ball is Blastur using windows? |
| 14:25.03 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
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| 14:25.25 | Nyle | I can't cahoot ... the void isn't nearly here. |
| 14:26.03 | Nyle | well |
| 14:26.13 | enouf | well |
| 14:26.49 | enouf | hey Nyle, hear about the 3 holes in the ground? ... well well well |
| 14:26.52 | Nyle | you can go to ~/ and do chmod xxx * (supposing you have no files in it) I guess and then do chmod -R xxx * and that will do all the files in the subdirs |
| 14:27.08 | Nyle | enouf, #debian-chat |
| 14:27.21 | Nyle | I refuse to get sucked into OT any longer! |
| 14:27.24 | Nyle | get away from me! |
| 14:27.31 | enouf | has been spanked by the monkey O_o |
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| 14:30.40 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: the sizes (orig. /dev/mmcblk0, invalid image, new image made without bs=8M) match |
| 14:30.46 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: md5summing now |
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| 14:31.20 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: the bs=8M image md5 does NOT match original disk's md5 |
| 14:31.29 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: seems like bs=8M was the problem |
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| 14:31.55 | jelly-home | rysiek|pl: is it just the last block that's the problem? |
| 14:32.16 | rysiek|pl | no idea/hard to tell |
| 14:32.24 | jelly-home | cmp foo bar |
| 14:32.59 | rysiek|pl | I am dd-ing the image to a new sd card (identical in terms of size, manufacturer and model) and we'll see |
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| 14:33.44 | Nyle | !ping |
| 14:33.44 | Nyle | lag!! |
| 14:33.44 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:33.58 | jelly-home | !test |
| 14:33.58 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | nope .. gonner! |
| 14:34.16 | abrotman | goner |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | it's going to split again i think |
| 14:34.34 | rysiek|pl | in 3... 2... 1... |
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| 14:35.24 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, ask your question here please |
| 14:35.28 | alkhawarizmi | i add a user bit to my linux i give him permissions and i cant write in his session |
| 14:35.46 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, what is 'user bit' and 'his session' ? |
| 14:36.04 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, please be more descriptive in your problem |
| 14:36.05 | alkhawarizmi | bit is the user added |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | permissions to what? |
| 14:36.25 | alkhawarizmi | i give him all permissions |
| 14:36.32 | Nyle | uh |
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| 14:37.04 | alkhawarizmi | bit ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 14:37.13 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, you mean in sudoers |
| 14:37.18 | alkhawarizmi | yes |
| 14:37.24 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, ok, looks fine.. now what is the problem? |
| 14:37.41 | alkhawarizmi | i cant write |
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| 14:37.54 | rysiek|pl | alkhawarizmi: to where? |
| 14:38.08 | alkhawarizmi | i cant get files in usr/src for the bit user |
| 14:38.35 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, you have to write there as root you have no perms by default to write to /usr/src (afaik) |
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| 14:39.11 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, you can give yourself a new dir and new perms in usr/local/bin or src or share or whatever you want |
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| 14:39.26 | Nyle | I guess that is where user stuff should go |
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| 14:40.21 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, also its not a matter of using sudo, however you can do sudo cp ~/blah.txt /usr/src/ and it will work |
| 14:40.24 | enouf | alkhawarizmi: no requirement to build in /usr/src |
| 14:40.37 | Nyle | enouf, I've no idea I keep everything in my ~/ |
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| 14:40.50 | enouf | Nyle: mine's on another HDD |
| 14:40.55 | alkhawarizmi | it SUDO |
| 14:41.02 | alkhawarizmi | u get it men |
| 14:41.03 | Nyle | I have a sid bulid env in my lenny, stays in /home |
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| 14:41.06 | alkhawarizmi | thanks |
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| 14:41.19 | Nyle | alkhawarizmi, you should read newbie docs |
| 14:41.30 | alkhawarizmi | i do |
| 14:41.37 | Nyle | !tella alkhawarizmi -about grounding |
| 14:41.42 | Nyle | !tella alkhawarizmi -about sudo |
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| 14:47.19 | Traveler6 | hi? |
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| 14:47.36 | prower | hello :> i'm fairly new to debian so my apologies if this gets asked a lot...i'm considering switching from ubuntu to the "testing" release (lenny), what would be the best way of going about installing it for the first time? |
| 14:47.39 | Nyle | hello |
| 14:47.44 | Nyle | whats up |
| 14:47.55 | asg | prower: read the install guide ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:48.02 | tonyb486 | I installed debian with XFS, and it installed lilo (as expected), can I now install grub onto it safely? |
| 14:48.04 | Nyle | prower, you should read the ... |
| 14:48.06 | Nyle | asg, I hate you |
| 14:48.08 | Nyle | :) |
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| 14:48.32 | asg | Nyle: and I'm typing on this teeny netbook :p |
| 14:48.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:48.47 | tonyb486 | aspireone<3 |
| 14:49.37 | prower | asg: thanks i will look into it...i have the stable net installation iso so i think that will be fine, i just wanted to make sure that there wasn't a specific "testing" iso to install instead. upgrading between ubuntu releases has been a pain :< |
| 14:49.38 | vipe | is it normal behavior that the kernel temporary offlines his interface when changing the speed of a nic? (switch and nic on autoneg, both support 1Gb) Nic offlined for about 15 seconds while using ethtool, which i did not expected... :( |
| 14:50.11 | asg | prower: there is a testing daily build installer iso that may be more useful if you plan on going to testing anyway. |
| 14:50.21 | rysiek|pl | vipe: AFAIK it's not normal/expected behaviour |
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| 14:51.03 | Nyle | prower, man debian is not for the ubuntu guy |
| 14:51.09 | prower | asg: ah, cool cool...yeah, eventually i would have to unfortunately, the nvidia drivers in stable are too old for my card :> |
| 14:51.19 | Nyle | prower, you really need to read the install guide... you can't just pop in a cd and isntall it |
| 14:51.25 | prower | Nyle: well that's fine, i've used freebsd and solaris express on the same machine :> |
| 14:51.27 | Nyle | well you can, but you really should read chapters 3,4,5,6 |
| 14:51.32 | Nyle | if nothing else |
| 14:51.43 | Nyle | well fantastic |
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| 14:51.57 | Nyle | so you're a bit experienced then and you shouldn't have a hard time with debian |
| 14:52.02 | Nyle | welcome |
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| 14:52.12 | Nyle | to the world of SUPERIOR computing |
| 14:52.13 | prower | Nyle: I hope not, it's always good to ask and read up on things though, which is why I'm doing it beforehand ;> |
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| 14:52.36 | vipe | rysiek|pl: thx, that was what I needed to know... it was production... :( |
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| 14:53.03 | rysiek|pl | vipe: ouch, must have hurt |
| 14:53.45 | DevilChaos | hi is there a way for me to check why i can connect to my wireless through bt3 and not debian i got cut off last ngt before i got an answer :) |
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| 14:56.34 | prower | great, debian-multimedia's repository has a lot of the extra stuff i'll need as well :> currently in ubuntu i do a lot of home video processing for my relatives, i was afraid the same packages wouldn't be available |
| 14:57.18 | Nyle | I like marillats packages too. flashplayer-mozilla in sid has a bug though, but other than that its fine |
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| 14:57.32 | Nyle | the adobe plugin is especially nice |
| 14:57.41 | d-b | prower: mmm actually if you ever looked where the ubuntu packages are (the respective origin - main / contrib...) you will notice vlc is not even in main. |
| 14:57.48 | prower | Nyle: I'll have to bookmark them as well :> |
| 14:57.49 | d-b | so.... its pretty equal. |
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| 14:58.08 | prower | d-b: oh yes, in ubuntu i have to add the medibuntu repository to get any of that as well, that wasn't a debian criticism |
| 14:58.09 | vipe | rysiek|pl: it did... I'm getting the idea when changing the speed and the switch does not respond correctly the kernel offlines and onlines his interface for a reset (what I haven't figured out yet if it does an unload and reload of it's module (which he shouldn't...). |
| 14:58.25 | Nyle | prower, its ok |
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| 14:58.43 | Nyle | prower, you can bash debian here, if you have a sound argument |
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| 14:58.56 | Nyle | prower, I think debian sucks balls ;) |
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| 14:59.12 | prower | Nyle: Hmm...well, until I've installed it at least once I won't consider myself educated about it enough to have an opinion :P |
| 14:59.25 | Nyle | prower, now thats a smart man, I like you |
| 14:59.37 | prower | Thanks for pointing out the installation guide too, i'm going to print off the 3-6 chapters |
| 14:59.40 | Nyle | most people have opinions formed before they even know the issues, but anyway have fun |
| 15:00.12 | d-b | Nyle: i don't if he really needs to read through all of it. debian is fine its not so hard rofl. |
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| 15:00.41 | Nyle | smart has nothing to do with being informed or having lots of knowledge |
| 15:01.34 | d-b | i don't know* |
| 15:01.40 | d-b | is tired |
| 15:01.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:01.46 | prower | Alright...everything's backed up to my 500gb drive, time to get reading and figure this stuff out ;> thanks for the help everyone, with any luck i will be back this evening on a fresh debian installation |
| 15:01.48 | Nyle | rest buddy |
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| 15:08.53 | Billenium | Do i have to download all of these? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:09.57 | Billenium | :( |
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| 15:11.00 | Vecam | hello, I'm trying to copy data to my tape using cpio but it says there is no space left on device how can I 'format' it ? |
| 15:11.05 | gsa10132 | Anyone know where I can find a good tutorial on Linux DC++ under debian? |
| 15:11.59 | jelly-home | Vecam: there is no formatting, if you rewind it'll overwrite what was there before |
| 15:12.02 | d-b | Billenium: no of course not. |
| 15:12.06 | d-b | you only need the first. |
| 15:12.53 | Vecam | jelly-home, thank you, I used the command: mt -f /dev/rmt/0 rewind , but it does nothing |
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| 15:13.23 | Billenium | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso This one d-b ? |
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| 15:14.06 | jelly-home | Vecam: /dev/rmt ...? Which OS are you running? |
| 15:14.21 | Vecam | :D |
| 15:14.24 | Vecam | solaris :) |
| 15:14.42 | jelly-home | Vecam: take a good look at the channel name |
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| 15:15.29 | Vecam | jelly-home, I know.. sorry |
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| 15:21.33 | tonyb486 | Uh, if I have an sd/mmc card in when when I boot (like /dev/mmcblk0) |
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| 15:21.43 | Anubis_be | hey anyone knows what network driver to select with installing lenny on an eeePC 900 ? |
| 15:21.43 | Joelito | Hi all I got a question... |
| 15:22.14 | Joelito | in debian stable + xfce4..how do I stop running lighttpd and mysql running in the startup? |
| 15:22.17 | tonyb486 | Booting freeszs at "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated" and says stuff like "soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s [kmemstick:1432]" |
| 15:23.10 | Billenium | Joelito: i think "touch /what/ever" |
| 15:23.13 | Billenium | does the job |
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| 15:25.24 | kunshin | I am a user and added to root group but I dont have root permissions.. how is that ? |
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| 15:25.51 | cahoot | silly |
| 15:25.53 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: "root" user != "root" group |
| 15:25.57 | kunshin | useradd -G root kunshin; but i dont have root permissions ? |
| 15:26.26 | kunshin | so, how to give a user root permissions |
| 15:26.27 | kunshin | ? |
| 15:26.39 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: to get root privs you either have to use sudo or log onto root account (either through the login prompt, or using su - ) |
| 15:26.48 | cahoot | kunshin: you can't windoze your system like that |
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| 15:27.02 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: giving a user root perms permanently is a *bad* idea |
| 15:27.17 | erawfish | cahoot: he can, but it is a dumb idea |
| 15:27.31 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: that would be *exactly* what makes winopze so vulnerable |
| 15:27.36 | rysiek|pl | *windoze |
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| 15:27.45 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: better use sudo or su |
| 15:27.47 | erawfish | JoshH: change your system init in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 15:29.21 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: most of people here will probably kill/kick/ban me for what I am about to say, but |
| 15:29.59 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: as a user new to Linux and coming from the win world, you would probably be better off with some user-friendly distro |
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| 15:30.13 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: like ubuntu or fedora |
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| 15:34.26 | kunshin | rysiek|pl: lets make simple, maybe i dont need to make user a root, i have this directory |
| 15:34.36 | kunshin | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 355K 2008-11-02 17:32 mail.log |
| 15:34.53 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: what exactly are you triying to achieve |
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| 15:35.02 | kunshin | how to make user 'kunshin' to be able to read the content of the log file |
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| 15:35.38 | stew | kunshin: adduser kunshin adm |
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| 15:36.29 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: -rw-r----- -> this tells you that user root has read and write perms |
| 15:36.44 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: and the group the file is owned by - read-only |
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| 15:37.06 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: further, you have "root adm" -> this tells you the file is owned by root and group adm |
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| 15:37.19 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: so, you have to add user kunshin to group adm :) |
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| 15:37.46 | kunshin | simple, is linux |
| 15:37.49 | kunshin | :) |
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| 15:39.14 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: yeah, whole info is almost always out there, one just needs to know where to look for it ;) |
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| 15:44.11 | Anubis_be | kunshin chown kunshin:root mail.log |
| 15:44.19 | Anubis_be | or chmod 777 mail.log |
| 15:44.38 | Anubis_be | or add kunshin to your root group |
| 15:44.46 | cahoot | what happends at log rotation? |
| 15:45.05 | Anubis_be | depends what is in /etc/logrotate |
| 15:45.40 | stew | Anubis_be: one should never use 777 |
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| 15:46.01 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: don't listen to Anubis_be |
| 15:46.03 | stew | kunshin: please ignore Anubis_be |
| 15:46.14 | Anubis_be | stew depends, I know it is not safe, but it can do the trick |
| 15:46.19 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: mail.log is owned by root and group adm for a reason |
| 15:46.30 | stew | Anubis_be: please don't give out advice you know to not be safe |
| 15:46.37 | rysiek|pl | kunshin: better add yourself to the adm group |
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| 15:46.59 | rysiek|pl | Anubis_be: a working and safe advice has already been given, no point confusing |
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| 15:59.22 | Cody | i am looking for someone who has some clue about memory representation in OS |
| 15:59.53 | simonrvn | !wayttd Cody |
| 15:59.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Cody? |
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| 16:01.25 | Cody | trying to understand how memory representation on page tables work |
| 16:02.00 | simonrvn | what, homework? |
| 16:02.06 | Facedown | what's the proper way of upgrading something if you downloaded via aptitude? say i have django .95 but i want .97 or 1.0 |
| 16:02.39 | rysiek|pl | Cody: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=memory+representation+in+Linux+kernel |
| 16:02.50 | simonrvn | if it's available it just happens after you update the list.... |
| 16:02.57 | rysiek|pl | Facedown: and the newer version is not available through repos? |
| 16:03.24 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: i guess searching in a search engine is too hard for some people ;) |
| 16:03.34 | rysiek|pl | Facedown: try aptitude update && aptitude upgrade [as root] |
| 16:03.54 | rysiek|pl | Facedown: if it's not in the repos, there are debian backports somewhere |
| 16:04.01 | rysiek|pl | doesn't remember |
| 16:04.12 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 16:04.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 16:04.13 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: heh, happens to me too |
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| 16:05.36 | rysiek|pl | hmmm |
| 16:05.38 | Facedown | simonrvn - it says to add 2 urls to sources.list |
| 16:05.46 | rysiek|pl | is there any dedicated channel for debian on neo freerunner? |
| 16:05.51 | Facedown | simonrvn - thats all i would need to *download* right? |
| 16:05.56 | simonrvn | Facedown: ok, and? |
| 16:06.29 | rysiek|pl | Facedown: check if the newer versions are there in the backports repos |
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| 16:06.40 | simonrvn | aptitude does that for you... |
| 16:06.49 | Facedown | rysiek|pl - yes there are newer versions |
| 16:06.51 | Facedown | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/python/python-django |
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| 16:07.12 | Facedown | i'm confused on what exactly i need to add to sources.list |
| 16:07.25 | Facedown | both of those urls - testing and unstable? |
| 16:07.32 | simonrvn | go see the web sie. it tells you explicitly |
| 16:07.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:07.38 | simonrvn | site* |
| 16:11.12 | rysiek|pl | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d2458072f8743a925e30a05c12f296c8.png -> bastards! |
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| 16:15.21 | proxify1 | what is the deffirent betwen perl perl.pl and ./perl.pl I would like to understand the deffirence between that ?? |
| 16:15.50 | RichiH | proxify1: with perl perl.pl, you tell the perl program to run perl.pl |
| 16:16.30 | proxify1 | and ./perl.pl ? |
| 16:16.48 | rysiek|pl | proxify1: and with ./perl.pl you tell the shell to run file perl.pl (sitting in the current working dir) directly as an executable |
| 16:16.53 | simonrvn | and ./perl.pl you tell the shell to tell the kernel to run whatever #! points at (inside the script) |
| 16:17.22 | rysiek|pl | proxify1: caveat: the first line of this script contains info for the shell what to run it with |
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| 16:17.40 | RichiH | proxify1: with ./perl.pl, you tell you shell that it should execute perl.pl. what happens is that your computer checks if perl.pl is set to executable and if it is, will look into the file |
| 16:17.42 | rysiek|pl | proxify1: as simonrvn: it probably loosk like #!/path/to/perl |
| 16:17.55 | RichiH | if the file starts with ELF, it is handed to the linux kernel to execute |
| 16:18.19 | RichiH | if it starts with #!, the file will be used as input for whatever is after the #! |
| 16:18.25 | RichiH | in this case, /usr/bin/perl |
| 16:18.34 | proxify1 | why under noexec partition perl perl.pl work and ./perl.pl dosn't work ?? |
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| 16:18.37 | RichiH | which is basically the same as calling perl perl.pl in the first place |
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| 16:19.21 | RichiH | proxify1: because the perl executable is not on the partition you mounted as noexecutable |
| 16:19.50 | proxify1 | why perl perl.pl work so ? |
| 16:20.01 | RichiH | because that is the way programs work |
| 16:20.12 | RichiH | you start the program and give it a parameter |
| 16:20.24 | proxify1 | thank you |
| 16:20.24 | hesco | I was downloading a flash video which filled up my / partition. I rm'd the offending /tmp/Flash* file, all 196mb worth. However dh -h says my / partition still has no space left on the device and my cron scripts which have to write to / are throwing errors into my email. How do I recover that supposedly already recovered disk space? |
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| 16:21.25 | rysiek|pl | hesco: I would check if /tmp is really on the / partition |
| 16:21.54 | rysiek|pl | hesco: cat /etc/mtab | grep /tmp -> does it say anything? |
| 16:23.40 | hesco | nada. and ls -l shows it as being in the directory, not as a symlink elsewhere. However it also highlights it with a red background, unlike any other item in the list. Not sure what that would mean. |
| 16:24.14 | Facedown | do most people get mysql-common package? |
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| 16:24.34 | Facedown | im not sure whether i should get this.. http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/misc/mysql-common |
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| 16:30.09 | simonrvn | Facedown: um if you're installing some mysql-* packages stuff, of course. read what it is. apt-cache show foo |
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| 16:39.50 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 16:40.59 | killer | I hate England! |
| 16:41.08 | killer | ScheiÃ-England!!!! |
| 16:41.15 | killer | shice england!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:41.27 | killer | fuck australia and america too! |
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| 16:50.09 | martian67 | hi is anyone aware of a method using X11 to preserve sessions between network logins, like if i have apps open, they stay open untill i log in again (preferbly not using VNC) |
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| 16:51.12 | boozkachu | Hi, can I get 4.0r5 via bit torrent? |
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| 16:52.15 | boozkachu | found the link, cheer |
| 16:52.16 | boozkachu | s |
| 16:52.46 | RichiH | it's amazing how useless jigdo has become due to bittorrent |
| 16:52.53 | RichiH | not that it ever actually worked ;) |
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| 16:56.31 | rysiek|pl | RichiH: yeah, I have been pondering for a while now why it's being kept on the website |
| 16:56.47 | RichiH | rysiek|pl: backwards compability, i suppose |
| 16:57.03 | RichiH | rysiek|pl: also, for people behind small pipes, it's still the best way to go |
| 16:57.07 | rysiek|pl | pro'lly |
| 16:57.14 | erawfish | martian67: freenx |
| 16:57.24 | rysiek|pl | RichiH: tubes. small tubes. not pipes |
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| 16:58.10 | RichiH | rysiek|pl: since the tube guy is going to prison after the election (if congress decides to waive his immunity), we are allowed to call it pipes, again |
| 16:58.42 | martian67 | erawfish, that is basicly just vnc |
| 16:58.42 | martian67 | i want something that has proper X11 network protocal support |
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| 16:58.58 | rysiek|pl | RichiH: yeah, I've heard abou that... I wonder what will his world be - behind, well, series of bars ;) |
| 16:59.12 | rysiek|pl | but enough OT |
| 17:00.39 | javanero | Tubish |
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| 17:01.53 | RichiH | rysiek|pl: series of soaps |
| 17:02.17 | rysiek|pl | series of soapy adventures, that's for sure |
| 17:02.24 | RichiH | fpyitap and all that (think office space) |
| 17:02.27 | rysiek|pl | would you call it - soap opera? ;) |
| 17:02.54 | RichiH | slippery slope down his colon |
| 17:03.02 | RichiH | but yah, enough ot :p |
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| 17:12.27 | lbruno | martian67: something like screen, but for X? |
| 17:12.31 | Cody | anyone has ever used galvin silberschatz here? |
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| 17:14.11 | lard-Vader | Is there a utility to rename files to vfat-same filenames? |
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| 17:14.28 | erawfish | what are vfat-same filenames? |
| 17:14.35 | lard-Vader | Sorry |
| 17:14.39 | lard-Vader | *vfat safe |
| 17:14.52 | erawfish | if you can't copy it, it's not safe... |
| 17:14.58 | lard-Vader | Yeah. |
| 17:15.00 | erawfish | if the file exists on vfat, it is legal |
| 17:15.07 | erawfish | so simply copy it over |
| 17:15.13 | lard-Vader | But I have a bunch of files on an ext2 filesystem I want to copy to a vfat filesystem |
| 17:15.26 | erawfish | so copy them |
| 17:15.30 | lard-Vader | And for some of them, when I do cp or rsync, it fails |
| 17:15.43 | lard-Vader | because they have colons and quotes in their names |
| 17:16.07 | lard-Vader | I tried googling |
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| 17:17.23 | rysiek|pl | damn |
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| 17:17.31 | lard-Vader | ? |
| 17:17.42 | rysiek|pl | two consecutive md5sum /dev/mmcblk0 returned DIFFERENT md5sums |
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| 17:17.54 | rysiek|pl | that is *not* good |
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| 17:18.06 | lbruno | lard-Vader: try piping the names through tr: |
| 17:18.25 | lard-Vader | lbruno: what tr:? |
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| 17:18.33 | lard-Vader | *what is |
| 17:18.59 | lbruno | tr '\|/*?":' '_______' |
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| 17:19.11 | lbruno | it's a simple translator |
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| 17:19.20 | lard-Vader | ah, and how would I do that with rsync or cp? |
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| 17:19.38 | Cody | anyone has ever used galvin silberschatz here? |
| 17:19.41 | lbruno | oh, rsync... that I don't know. for cp: |
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| 17:20.38 | lbruno | cp $(find /PATH/TO/FILES -type f | tr yada yada) /VFAT_VOLUME |
| 17:20.42 | Python132O | holy sh*t |
| 17:20.42 | lbruno | bashism |
| 17:20.47 | Python132O | My server just .. died |
| 17:20.55 | lbruno | Python132O: it happens |
| 17:20.59 | lbruno | it's sheet |
| 17:20.59 | erawfish | Cody: ask a debian support question |
| 17:21.03 | lbruno | sheet hapens |
| 17:21.03 | lard-Vader | lbruno: thanks |
| 17:21.26 | lbruno | lard-Vader: anytime, although there are a couple of problems with that command |
| 17:21.33 | Cody | I want to know |
| 17:22.10 | Cody | I want to learn to calculate time for loading of page tables in OS |
| 17:22.10 | lbruno | if there are too many arguments, we'll have to do something a bit different |
| 17:22.29 | lbruno | has to go |
| 17:22.33 | lbruno | waves |
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| 17:22.54 | lard-Vader | arg, that doesn't work |
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| 17:24.37 | lard-Vader | can someone else help me? |
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| 17:25.47 | d-b | what are you trying to do lard-Vader |
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| 17:26.25 | Cody | ? |
| 17:26.39 | lard-Vader | trying to copy files from and ext filesystem to a vfat one |
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| 17:26.51 | lard-Vader | with filenames that vfat won't accept |
| 17:27.24 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: create an archive instead |
| 17:27.45 | lard-Vader | It is an mp3 player |
| 17:27.57 | lard-Vader | so they can't be archived or I won't be able to play them |
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| 17:28.08 | petemc | rename them |
| 17:28.13 | jelly-home | petemc: nah! |
| 17:28.22 | petemc | too easy |
| 17:28.25 | jelly-home | exactly |
| 17:28.34 | lard-Vader | petemc: YAH, but I got like 500 of them |
| 17:28.42 | jelly-home | uses vfat compatible filenames |
| 17:28.51 | rysiek|pl | lard-Vader: meh. man rename :) |
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| 17:29.53 | lard-Vader | uses audio-cd-extractor, which auto-names the files for you |
| 17:30.07 | lard-Vader | I KNOW how to rename |
| 17:30.24 | jelly-home | so, what's the problem? |
| 17:30.33 | lard-Vader | I am asking how to automate it for a LARGE amount of files |
| 17:31.06 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: that's what rename is for |
| 17:31.16 | jelly-home | also, find |
| 17:31.24 | jelly-home | find . -type f -iname '*:*mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/:/BLARGHCOLONBLARGH/' |
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| 17:32.46 | jelly-home | will rename ./Some Artist/Some Album/01-stu:ff.mp3 to ./Some Artist/Some Album/01-stuBLARGHCOLONBLARGHff.mp3 |
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| 17:35.40 | lard-Vader | thank you |
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| 17:38.17 | lard-Vader | how would I do that with single quotes as the thing I want to replace? |
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| 17:38.51 | lard-Vader | When I try replaceing single quotes with double quotes, and colons with single quotes, it doesn't work |
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| 17:39.14 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: close the quote, type a single \-escaped ', open the quote again |
| 17:39.18 | cusco | "'" |
| 17:39.30 | lard-Vader | Thanks |
| 17:39.39 | jelly-home | rename 's/'\''/QUOTE/' |
| 17:40.02 | jelly-home | I'm pretty sure my files have ' in names |
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| 17:40.13 | jelly-home | and they _are_ on a fat32 partition |
| 17:40.18 | lard-Vader | Ok, |
| 17:40.26 | lard-Vader | Maybe it was just causing troubles with rsync |
| 17:40.31 | lard-Vader | but quotes were messing it up |
| 17:41.14 | jelly-home | /d/mp3/Pop/Blue_Oyster_Cult-Don't_Fear_The_Reaper.mp3 |
| 17:41.21 | jelly-home | ... why is that in Pop. |
| 17:41.35 | lard-Vader | I think pop is too broad a category |
| 17:41.48 | jelly-home | rsync shouldn't have trouble with them. scp, OTOH is crap |
| 17:42.11 | jelly-home | just say no to scp |
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| 17:42.59 | rysiek|pl | jelly-home: hey, scp is ok! |
| 17:43.08 | rysiek|pl | leave scp alone! leave it alone!.. |
| 17:43.46 | lard-Vader | It seemed to me that rsync called mkdir with the argument in double quotes, and since the filename had double quotes in it's name, it messed it up. |
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| 17:47.42 | dos000 | howdy ... |
| 17:48.34 | dos000 | Whats the easiest way to create a local cache of the debian repository ... |
| 17:48.49 | dos000 | i dont want/need to cache the whole repository |
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| 17:49.36 | dos000 | just the packages that i keep downloading again and again. I am creating virtual hosts based on linux-vserver |
| 17:49.46 | jelly-home | dos000: apt-proxy? |
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| 17:49.57 | jelly-home | !info apt-proxy |
| 17:50.21 | dpkg | apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9.36.3+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
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| 17:51.13 | dos000 | jelly-home: i am googling apt-proxy now .. thanks for the info |
| 17:51.29 | dos000 | is it in etch already ? |
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| 17:52.15 | dos000 | found it !! |
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| 17:53.23 | jelly-home | there's at least another similar one, but the name escapes me at the moment |
| 17:53.28 | jelly-home | one* |
| 17:54.00 | phanter | I have problems with encfs. When trying to use it it tells me there is a problem with fuse. However, the fuse module is loaded, I have permissions to use it and sshfs is working propperly |
| 17:54.35 | dos000 | jelly-home: anything worng or watch for in apt-proxy ? it seems straight forward and exactly what i was looking for |
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| 17:55.50 | jelly-home | dos000: not an actual user thereof |
| 17:56.11 | petemc | apt-cacher |
| 17:56.13 | dos000 | ah! |
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| 17:56.47 | petemc | 0p;[D |
| 17:56.58 | simonrvn | don't yell too loud, you'll wake up the trolls |
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| 17:57.43 | Roconda | hey, where can I trigger my hdd led ? |
| 17:57.50 | marc7 | if i had a deb box with two nic's plugged into two different internet connections... both polling for IP's via DHCP... is there any way to set the default route? |
| 17:57.59 | marc7 | from the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 18:01.01 | mos3abof | hi everybody |
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| 18:01.14 | mos3abof | i have a newly installed etch on an AMILO laptop |
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| 18:01.53 | mos3abof | i wanted to enable the wireless, and after some digging i found "etch n a half" project |
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| 18:02.04 | mos3abof | my current kernel is : 2.6.18 |
| 18:02.23 | mos3abof | how do i use etch n half? |
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| 18:04.10 | dos000 | http://www.bel.fi/~alankila/blog/2005/01/16/apt-proxy%20--%20a%20staggering%20failure.html |
| 18:04.11 | dvs | mos3abof: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486-etchnhalf |
| 18:04.11 | dos000 | this seems scary ! |
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| 18:04.11 | mos3abof | here is the output of lspci : |
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| 18:04.13 | mos3abof | http://www.pastebin.com/m6f8dc0bs |
| 18:04.46 | dos000 | jelly-home: any comments on http://www.bel.fi/~alankila/blog/2005/01/16/apt-proxy%20--%20a%20staggering%20failure.html ? |
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| 18:05.00 | dos000 | maybe this is old news |
| 18:05.16 | cga | hi all, is it normal that digikam -t experimental (on a sid with kde4 from experimental too) installs khelpcenter and removes khelpcenter4 ??? |
| 18:05.41 | mos3abof | dvs, trying it |
| 18:05.44 | mos3abof | dvs, thanks |
| 18:06.01 | dvs | np |
| 18:06.31 | AdrianLP | Hey all. I installed Debian with the installer's suggested partition scheme. / seems to have 90M free according to `df`. I've trying to install Adobe Reader from a downloaded *.deb. That results in the following error: dpkg: error processing Desktop/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1-1.i386.deb (--install): failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/SPPlugins/ADMPlugin.apl': |
| 18:06.32 | AdrianLP | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.45 | AdrianLP | Is there a way to specify a different scratch space so that it'll install? |
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| 18:06.59 | lard-Vader | mkdir: cannot create directory `UB40': File exists |
| 18:07.03 | lard-Vader | rm: cannot remove `UB40': No such file or directory |
| 18:07.03 | AdrianLP | It looks like its trying to write to /opt (for some reason), but is running out of disk space? |
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| 18:08.35 | lard-Vader | How could that be possible? |
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| 18:09.22 | wasp | hi. i want to install flash support in iceweasel and epiphany.but i cannot manage to install adobe flash player..what can i do? |
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| 18:09.45 | zeera | i have a phone i connect to with bluetooth, when i try to copy a folder over it tells me it cannot since the file its trying to copy is a folder. i think the issue is due to the fact that my phone is a nokia telephone and my linux box is well, a linux machine running from what i remember utf |
| 18:10.09 | lard-Vader | wasp: if you don't care about free software, adobe supplies a deb for flash player 10 |
| 18:10.13 | zeera | could someone help me out with this problem? i do not know much about localisations etc |
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| 18:11.04 | extor | Are the das-watchdog and watchdog packages in lenny mutually exclusive or can you run them both at the same time. Is das- any different than watchdog? I don't see it in etch at all |
| 18:11.08 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: ls -l ub40 |
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| 18:11.38 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: remember, vfat is case insensitive, but saves the original case |
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| 18:12.20 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: so, you can only have one of ub40, Ub40, uB40 or UB40 |
| 18:12.28 | lard-Vader | OMG |
| 18:12.32 | lard-Vader | I hate these bitches |
| 18:12.43 | AdrianLP | hrmmm, guess this means its trying to install too /opt |
| 18:13.07 | wasp | lard-Vader: when you say free software what do u mean? |
| 18:13.46 | lard-Vader | I mean open source/gp, |
| 18:13.52 | lard-Vader | You can use gnash |
| 18:13.54 | mos3abof | wasp, free software means open source non-proprietary software that you can view and/or modify its source code |
| 18:14.06 | wasp | ok |
| 18:14.08 | lard-Vader | which is gpl, but it is not complete |
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| 18:14.21 | lard-Vader | adobe offers a free 'like beer' package |
| 18:14.31 | mos3abof | wasp, you can the non-free to your apt/sources.list |
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| 18:14.44 | mos3abof | wasp, run apt-get update |
| 18:14.48 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: man mount; if you mount vfat with option "posix", you get case sensitivity but then poor windows 98 can't read your files |
| 18:14.50 | wasp | mos3abof: yes i have |
| 18:14.54 | mos3abof | wasp, and install adovbe falsh player |
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| 18:15.27 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: and who knows what your mp3 player implementation would do |
| 18:15.41 | lard-Vader | jelly-home: would an ipod or rockbox be able to read it? |
| 18:15.51 | mos3abof | wasp, so the problem is only with iceweasel? |
| 18:16.30 | jelly-home | lard-Vader: I have no idea |
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| 18:17.03 | peter_12 | there is some script on my server being executed every minute (must be cron) but I can't find anything about this script in my /etc/cront.* directories |
| 18:17.22 | peter_12 | I don't even see an /etc/cron.minutely directory |
| 18:17.29 | peter_12 | where might this script be registered? |
| 18:17.37 | wasp | mos3abof: well i cannot find the package and when i get it from the adobe site and try to install it in the right folder it tells me it is the wrong one..i found a .deb file but it is for ubuntu |
| 18:17.51 | mos3abof | peter_12, try "crontab -e" (sans quotations) |
| 18:18.16 | peter_12 | mos3abof: empty except for one comment line |
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| 18:18.37 | mos3abof | peter_12, try it using root account and any other account you use to login to the server |
| 18:18.55 | peter_12 | mos3abof: bingo. thanks |
| 18:19.01 | mos3abof | peter_12, what is in that line? |
| 18:19.10 | jelly-home | peter_12: or look directly in files under /var/spool/cron/cronjobs |
| 18:19.12 | mos3abof | peter_12, is it solved? |
| 18:19.20 | peter_12 | Yes it is solved. I found it by switing users |
| 18:20.06 | mos3abof | wasp, mmmm |
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| 18:20.18 | mos3abof | wasp, i don't remember how i did it last time |
| 18:20.31 | mos3abof | wasp, i will search for any helpful how to |
| 18:20.41 | wasp | mos3abof: thank you |
| 18:21.14 | mos3abof | wasp, r u using etch? |
| 18:21.26 | wasp | yes |
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| 18:21.37 | peter_12 | mos3abof: thanks for your help |
| 18:21.43 | lard-Vader | thanks for all the help |
| 18:21.53 | mos3abof | wasp, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:22.09 | cga | is it so difficult??? apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:22.38 | wasp | mos3abof: i have tried that too..but i get the following |
| 18:22.54 | wasp | mos3abof: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:22.57 | wasp | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 18:22.59 | wasp | is only available from another source |
| 18:23.57 | sajes | wasp: Did you add contrib and non-free to your sources.list? |
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| 18:24.36 | mos3abof | wasp, show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:24.38 | wasp | sajes: yes |
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| 18:24.58 | mos3abof | wasp, did you run apt-get update after the edit? |
| 18:24.59 | orgthingy | and dotn paste here, use pastebin or something |
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| 18:25.40 | mos3abof | wasp, http://www.pastebin.com |
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| 18:27.08 | wasp | mos3abof: http://pastebin.com/m8c1a769 |
| 18:27.09 | killerXD | hello all your mothafuckazzzz! |
| 18:27.17 | killerXD | what´s going on? |
| 18:27.55 | killerXD | sklajdsklfjdkls |
| 18:28.11 | unop | yay - so mature... |
| 18:28.27 | killerXD | I think all english people are fucking their mothers and fathers. |
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| 18:28.56 | killerXD | ahoi! |
| 18:28.57 | mos3abof | wasp, i am trying to install it now on a newly installed debian etch |
| 18:28.59 | dvs | wasp: add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" |
| 18:29.02 | mos3abof | wasp, wait a sec |
| 18:29.10 | killerXD | AHOI!!!! |
| 18:29.35 | killerXD | ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi!ahoi |
| 18:29.51 | javanero | Well. Apparently someone ate killerXDs mother. Roasted goat I suspect. With Pakistani rice flavoring. |
| 18:29.55 | killerXD | whats going on with english fuckas? |
| 18:30.01 | unop | dpkg: ops killerXD being a nuisance |
| 18:30.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: unop complains about: killerXD being a nuisance |
| 18:30.09 | mos3abof | who is the admin here? |
| 18:30.10 | killerXD | dkslaökdfslöfaksgdf#sa |
| 18:30.10 | killerXD | d |
| 18:30.10 | killerXD | fas |
| 18:30.10 | killerXD | s |
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| 18:30.19 | javanero | nice |
| 18:30.21 | dvs | heh |
| 18:30.24 | danielbvho | nice |
| 18:30.24 | mos3abof | nice |
| 18:30.31 | jogla | nice |
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| 18:30.57 | danielbvho | mm..he do not come back |
| 18:31.21 | rysiek|pl | the best part is: he got fscked by a bot |
| 18:31.26 | rysiek|pl | for flooding |
| 18:31.32 | rysiek|pl | retard |
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| 18:34.31 | scgtrp | i have a debian server that's going offline after like 20 minutes or so of inactivity until i reboot it. does linux do power management on net cards or something? |
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| 18:35.00 | wasp | dvs: it needs a signature |
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| 18:35.15 | mos3abof | wget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - | apt-key add - && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 18:35.21 | mos3abof | wasp, wget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - | apt-key add - && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 18:35.43 | wasp | mos3abof: thanx |
| 18:36.38 | fukazzz | . |
| 18:38.17 | Nyle | The fire in the sky is extinguished. Hell hath frozen over. Lenny is still not stable. |
| 18:38.50 | dvs | Nyle: and this is a surprise? |
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| 18:40.08 | mos3abof | wasp, i am sorry couldn't remember how i did it last time |
| 18:40.45 | wasp | mos3abof: its ok |
| 18:40.53 | scgtrp | where's the easiest place to get logs for potential hacking attempts? |
| 18:41.05 | scgtrp | s/easiest/best/ |
| 18:42.09 | Maulkin | An external trusted box |
| 18:42.11 | wasp | mos3abof: i found it |
| 18:42.19 | wasp | mos3abof: thanx for the help |
| 18:44.08 | scgtrp | Maulkin, we've temporarily booted it up without the ethernet cable attached. after a reboot i found 4 instances of my account logged in, one of which was running x-session-manager despite this being a server without x installed |
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| 18:46.32 | nubbun | Why would it be that KDE (Konqueror) is only resolving hostnames to IP4 addresses and not IP6? |
| 18:46.50 | ukatan | hey all, I'm having a problem with java-package. I have fakeroot and java-package installed, and when I run "fakeroot make-jpkg" on my java installer .bin it fails saying that no suitable plugin was found |
| 18:46.52 | ukatan | I'm on lenny |
| 18:46.52 | nubbun | I have no proxy set up. |
| 18:47.12 | ukatan | nubbun, is it only konqueror that's showing this problem? |
| 18:47.12 | nubbun | ukatan: would gcj work instead? |
| 18:47.19 | ukatan | heh. |
| 18:47.20 | nubbun | ukatan: yes. |
| 18:47.22 | ukatan | gcj? |
| 18:47.34 | ukatan | ugh I have no idea then dude :( I would look at your hosts file |
| 18:47.49 | nubbun | ukatan: GNU Java Compiler. It runs java class files, compiles java, works an web browser plugin.... |
| 18:47.59 | ukatan | ah. |
| 18:48.09 | ukatan | how well does it work, though? |
| 18:48.27 | nubbun | ukatan: GCJ is probably what scared Sun into making their Java GPL2. |
| 18:48.27 | ukatan | is it like gnash where it's a hilariously ineffective analogue to the commercial version |
| 18:48.31 | ukatan | oh snap. |
| 18:48.55 | nubbun | ukatan: I've only used it a little bit. No problems. |
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| 18:49.19 | nubbun | ukatan: it can also fully compile java. |
| 18:49.26 | ukatan | I can't believe I didn't know about this! |
| 18:49.29 | nubbun | ukatan: not just to a JVM |
| 18:49.43 | ukatan | wow you probably just saved me a lot of trouble |
| 18:49.44 | ukatan | thanks |
| 18:49.51 | ukatan | so effing easy! |
| 18:50.14 | nubbun | I haven't used the web plugin yet. |
| 18:50.43 | Nyle | Maulkin, hi |
| 18:51.01 | ukatan | nubbun, that's what I'm currently using |
| 18:51.06 | ukatan | it definitely gets the job done |
| 18:51.31 | ukatan | I don't need java for anything mission-critical, I just like webpages to work properly |
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| 18:51.47 | ukatan | so this is much better than installing that monstrosity of a sun package |
| 18:52.06 | javanero | lol |
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| 18:53.40 | javanero | bbl |
| 18:53.43 | wasp__ | in order to change the bootscreen (bootsplash) do i need to install the bootsplash app or can i just make some changes to the grub menu? |
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| 19:01.00 | jonny66 | Im running debian unstable and im considering installing quake 3 wich requires oss. Would my system get messed up if i try installing oss when im already running alsa? |
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| 19:02.14 | erawfish | jonny66: you can't. use the alsa oss emulation |
| 19:03.08 | erawfish | Worf: unless you have the bootsplash already installed, there is no bootsplash in debian |
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| 19:03.23 | erawfish | doh! |
| 19:03.30 | jonny66 | do you have any info on that through the bots or am i just better off googleing about it? |
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| 19:05.15 | erawfish | load the kernel modules which have "oss" in their name and are under kernel/sound/core/ in your modules directory |
| 19:05.35 | shezif | Hi everyone! |
| 19:05.47 | shezif | I need help with evolution upgrade |
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| 19:07.09 | shezif | someone here...? |
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| 19:07.52 | protocols | hi all |
| 19:08.12 | protocols | is there anyway to make a screenshot in-game? |
| 19:08.19 | protocols | when the game does not support making screenshots? |
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| 19:09.57 | shezif | protocols: Maybe you can make timer for the screenshot and then you can to take the game (sorry for the poor eng') |
| 19:10.18 | protocols | hmm yes gonna try that |
| 19:10.38 | protocols | I was guessing scrot would make a screenshot of my desktop and not game, because the game is going via opengl |
| 19:10.39 | mos3abof | protocols, or use a vnc to connect to your machine and play the game |
| 19:10.45 | protocols | :D |
| 19:10.50 | phen | protocols: ffmpeg? |
| 19:10.59 | protocols | ffmpeg?? |
| 19:11.21 | shezif | I need help with evolution upgrade |
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| 19:11.53 | LiliPoop | http://sex69.internet-caffe.net |
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| 19:12.30 | erawfish | shezif: you need to learn how to ask questions |
| 19:12.31 | Worf | erawfish: i totally agree :) |
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| 19:14.08 | Worf | erawfish: depends - asking questions does only make sense if you want answers |
| 19:14.10 | shezif | I want to upgrade evolution to the newest version. I saw in the sources that the new package is discovered... and I dont know how to upgrade to the new virsion |
| 19:14.26 | erawfish | shezif: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 19:14.34 | erawfish | and /msg dpkg apt-fu |
| 19:14.50 | shezif | under root? |
| 19:15.04 | erawfish | and last but not least: apt-howto |
| 19:15.14 | Worf | shezif: nah, here in the irc |
| 19:15.17 | erawfish | if your lack that much knowledge, grounding is right for you. read those |
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| 19:15.23 | marc7 | hey guys, just checking once more.... I have two interfaces, both configured to pull IP's via DHCP. any way I can choose to set which the default route is? |
| 19:15.32 | marc7 | from making changes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:15.40 | erawfish | marc7: post-up script in interfaces for example |
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| 19:15.51 | marc7 | gotcha |
| 19:16.10 | shezif | I know that I need to write "apt-get update" or somethings like this but the new versin isn't release for the stable users.. |
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| 19:16.28 | erawfish | shezif: do not mix stable and another release of debian |
| 19:16.48 | Worf | maybe you find in backports what you need |
| 19:17.04 | protocols | thats cool.. scrot actually even works |
| 19:17.11 | Worf | you can mix, but in the end you get the stability of unstable and the age of stable |
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| 19:17.44 | shezif | How I can mix ? |
| 19:18.12 | erawfish | Worf: do not tell newbies to mix release |
| 19:18.30 | erawfish | shezif: is there a reason you want a new evrsion? |
| 19:18.34 | erawfish | *version |
| 19:18.46 | Worf | erawfish: basically i tried to tell him why he should not |
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| 19:19.05 | erawfish | no, you told him he can do it |
| 19:19.10 | erawfish | and now he will ask how of course |
| 19:19.18 | shezif | Yep. I need to restore evolution. and my backup was created from the newest version |
| 19:19.19 | Worf | because if you can live with the stability of unstable you can take unstable |
| 19:19.41 | Worf | there is no point in combining the downsides of both |
| 19:19.44 | erawfish | shezif: then install evolution the way you did before when youhad the newest version |
| 19:19.49 | shezif | So, I tried to restore and now I can't access my address book |
| 19:20.50 | Worf | what have i done |
| 19:21.02 | shezif | When I've the new version I was in ubuntu |
| 19:21.14 | shezif | and now I decide to work with debian |
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| 19:21.39 | jpinx | shezif: www.backports.org |
| 19:21.56 | shezif | ok |
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| 19:26.33 | esthar | I installed Etch with encrypted LVM2 and now I upgraded to sid and the 2.6.26 kernel does not work with LVM2 encryuption with AES and dm-crypt |
| 19:28.02 | rysiek|pl | esthar: to sid or to lenny? |
| 19:28.11 | esthar | rysiek|pl: sid |
| 19:28.29 | rysiek|pl | esthar: you brave, brave soul |
| 19:28.43 | esthar | rysiek|pl: I normally run sid and everything works great |
| 19:28.54 | esthar | Just now I have to use Etch's 2.6.18 |
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| 19:30.46 | Cycom | is there a way in apt to combine operations, like apt-get install <package> remote <otherpackage>? |
| 19:31.32 | dvs | esthar: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486-etchnhalf |
| 19:31.48 | esthar | dvs: I run amd64 |
| 19:31.56 | esthar | and everything else on my system is sid |
| 19:32.03 | esthar | and it all works great |
| 19:32.07 | esthar | except for the kernel package |
| 19:32.10 | dvs | esthar: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf |
| 19:32.14 | esthar | would etchnhalf get me 2.6.26? |
| 19:32.27 | petemc | Cycom: what does remote mean in that context? |
| 19:32.31 | esthar | dvs: I don't even have etch repos enabled, just sid |
| 19:32.32 | dvs | esthar: no, 2.6.24 |
| 19:32.52 | dvs | esthar: oh sid, then this probably won't work. |
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| 19:33.17 | esthar | dvs: Is there no way to get 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 working with LVM2 encryption? |
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| 19:33.42 | dvs | esthar: I wouldn't even know where to begin. |
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| 19:38.40 | kunwon1 | Cycom, you can with aptitude, man aptitude, 2nd page or so |
| 19:39.09 | sergio | how can I know wich paquet includes a certain file (the paquets has been already installed)? |
| 19:39.17 | petemc | dpkg -S |
| 19:39.17 | dpkg | petemc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:39.47 | jelly-home | dpkg: -S is <reply> |
| 19:39.48 | dpkg | Badgers ate my is <reply>! |
| 19:39.58 | jelly-home | aw. |
| 19:39.59 | sergio | ok thanx all |
| 19:40.00 | sergio | :) |
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| 19:44.05 | boozkachu | Hi, were are the startup messages logged? |
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| 19:45.32 | owbeegee | anyone who can help me setup b4rt on debian? |
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| 19:48.18 | owbeegee | anyone who can help me setup b4rt on debian? |
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| 19:49.24 | kunwon1 | boozkachu, dmesg? |
| 19:49.41 | erawfish | owbeegee: repeating constantly is a good way to get annoying |
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| 19:50.20 | owbeegee | that last message of yours is annoying |
| 19:50.36 | erawfish | owbeegee: maybe, but YOU want help, not me.... |
| 19:50.36 | kunwon1 | owbeegee, you fail. learn how to ask a proper question. |
| 19:50.39 | erawfish | !repeat |
| 19:50.39 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:50.50 | erawfish | owbeegee: and now go away |
| 19:51.02 | owbeegee | come on get a gf and order her around |
| 19:51.19 | binary | owbeegee: what? |
| 19:51.33 | binary | owbeegee: you make no sense at all |
| 19:51.39 | binary | owbeegee: no wonder you can't get help here |
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| 19:52.42 | owbeegee | i just need help with installing torrenflux b4rt on debian |
| 19:52.51 | themill | !ask |
| 19:52.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:52.57 | owbeegee | not someone to tell me i didnt ask properly |
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| 19:53.06 | themill | owbeegee: don't make us guess what your problem is |
| 19:53.09 | kunwon1 | you haven't yet asked a question at all, owbeegee |
| 19:53.14 | binary | owbeegee: no one can help you if you don't ask the question properly |
| 19:53.21 | owbeegee | pff |
| 19:53.23 | owbeegee | ok ok |
| 19:53.47 | binary | owbeegee: with that general kind of remark I would suggest you google installing torrenflux b4rt on debian |
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| 19:54.04 | binary | owbeegee: google might be of more useful for general queries |
| 19:54.17 | binary | owbeegee: IRC is really for when you have a specific problem |
| 19:54.37 | acidslep | even then, the answer is probably already on the net somewhere |
| 19:54.49 | owbeegee | isnt it specific that I cant install it |
| 19:55.20 | binary | owbeegee: but you haven't given use a specific reason why, what system you are running, what specifically is not working etc |
| 19:55.45 | kunwon1 | owbeegee, that's not specific at all. How do you know you can't install it? What did you try to do to install it? At what point did you realize that it wasn't working? What specific output drove you to this realization? |
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| 19:56.07 | owbeegee | system? maybe im stupid but aint this debian irc? so on what system am i?!! |
| 19:56.21 | binary | owbeegee: you could be running sarge/etch/lenny/sid etc |
| 19:56.23 | kunwon1 | owbeegee, etch, lenny, sid, etc |
| 19:56.40 | binary | owbeegee: in which case there may be different problems and/or solutions |
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| 19:57.30 | owbeegee | dont all be so smart :P |
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| 19:57.43 | kunwon1 | owbeegee, we're trying to help you, even if it isn't obvious |
| 19:57.43 | binary | owbeegee: stop trolling, go away |
| 19:58.06 | owbeegee | how do i know what im running? |
| 19:58.36 | owbeegee | debian, apache, mysql, php ? |
| 19:58.37 | memnon | etch aka stable lenny aka testing |
| 19:59.07 | owbeegee | im n00b ok!! just need a how to TFb4rt on debian |
| 19:59.12 | binary | owbeegee: you could have a look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:59.27 | owbeegee | im on it |
| 19:59.31 | binary | owbeegee: then you could tell us if you see anything like stable/testing or etch/lenny etc |
| 19:59.44 | binary | owbeegee: I suggest trying google if you just want a HOWTO |
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| 20:00.50 | owbeegee | whats the cmd for that list thingy? |
| 20:00.57 | owbeegee | im in root |
| 20:01.15 | binary | owbeegee: you need to use a text editor to view the text file, I suggest nano, it's nice and easy to use |
| 20:01.19 | Cycom | kunwon1: thanks. went to get some food. Didn't mean to ignore your reply. |
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| 20:01.38 | owbeegee | # deb ftp://85.17.159.15/debian/ etch main |
| 20:01.39 | owbeegee | deb ftp://85.17.159.15/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 20:01.39 | owbeegee | deb-src ftp://85.17.159.15/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 20:01.39 | owbeegee | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:01.39 | owbeegee | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 20:01.51 | binary | woops |
| 20:01.57 | Cycom | "I'm in root" - more ominous words are rarely spoken in debian :) |
| 20:02.08 | binary | that guy was special |
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| 20:02.11 | binary | :-/ |
| 20:02.20 | binary | owbeegee: sorry you got kicked for pasting too many lines |
| 20:02.22 | Cycom | binary: indeed. |
| 20:02.25 | owbeegee | np |
| 20:02.28 | dvs | binary: short bus material |
| 20:02.34 | owbeegee | and now |
| 20:02.39 | binary | owbeegee: anyway I can see your using etch |
| 20:02.43 | Cycom | owbeegee: however, we did learn that you are on debian ETCH! |
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| 20:03.02 | binary | Cycom: lol |
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| 20:03.21 | jelly-home | Cycom: not for certain we didn't |
| 20:03.25 | owbeegee | and learned mmy ip |
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| 20:03.51 | binary | owbeegee: you have your own repo :-S |
| 20:03.59 | Cycom | jelly-home: well, I suppose it's possible that he altered his /etc/apt/sources :) |
| 20:04.05 | erawfish | we knew your ip before: owbeegee [n=OBG@5ED21AE6.cable.ziggo.nl] |
| 20:04.15 | jelly-home | Cycom: or they were cut by the kick |
| 20:04.21 | owbeegee | what ever :P |
| 20:04.25 | binary | jelly-home: do you know a command that gives you the version your running |
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| 20:04.30 | erawfish | owbeegee: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 20:04.30 | binary | jelly-home: that would be awesome :-) |
| 20:04.36 | erawfish | binary: several |
| 20:04.38 | jelly-home | !version |
| 20:04.38 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 20:04.49 | binary | erawfish: awesome |
| 20:04.56 | owbeegee | ok now im still TFb4rtless |
| 20:05.03 | jelly-home | several: command not found |
| 20:05.15 | Cycom | HAHAHA! I just looked in my ubuntu /etc/debian_version. Guess what I saw? |
| 20:05.23 | erawfish | and you always will be since b4rt is not in debian. get your warezing software elsewhere |
| 20:05.23 | binary | sid? |
| 20:05.27 | Cycom | sid. |
| 20:05.34 | Cycom | actually, lenny/sid |
| 20:05.35 | erawfish | Cycom: it has a ubuntu_version |
| 20:05.36 | binary | Cycom: lmao, ofcourse |
| 20:05.45 | binary | erawfish: ooOOOoo :-P |
| 20:06.13 | Cycom | binary: erawfish: apparantly not in 8.10! |
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| 20:06.41 | binary | owbeegee: I don't know about that software and it doesn't seem to be in debian repo, therefore it is no longer specifically debian related: I can't help you any further |
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| 20:06.52 | binary | Cycom: lol |
| 20:07.00 | Nyle | fuck |
| 20:07.01 | memnon | erawfish: Seems to me torrentflux is in Debian Testing. Is this what the op is searching for? |
| 20:07.12 | Cycom | Nyle: not right now, I'm busy. |
| 20:07.19 | erawfish | memnon: read more carefully |
| 20:07.59 | Cycom | erawfish: there is, however, an /etc/lsb-release which is interesting |
| 20:08.05 | Nyle | man stfu |
| 20:08.13 | Nyle | I hate kde |
| 20:08.19 | Nyle | I a;lkdjf;lasdj;fk fuck!. |
| 20:08.19 | binary | Nyle: KDE hates you :-D |
| 20:08.30 | Nyle | heh... thanks I needed that smie |
| 20:08.32 | Nyle | smile* |
| 20:08.32 | Cycom | No manual entry for stfu |
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| 20:08.37 | binary | Nyle: lol |
| 20:08.41 | Nyle | fucking thing keeps crashing on me man |
| 20:08.43 | Nyle | :( |
| 20:08.49 | binary | Nyle: which version are you running? |
| 20:08.52 | Nyle | 3.5.9 |
| 20:08.59 | binary | Nyle: so am I |
| 20:09.02 | Nyle | Cycom, /ignore Nyle and gty |
| 20:09.11 | binary | Nyle: hasn't crashed on me yet |
| 20:09.22 | Nyle | binary, I have 1.5gb ram, 1gb swap |
| 20:09.25 | binary | Nyle: amarok does but amarok is a big pile of bullshit and chips |
| 20:09.25 | Cycom | Nyle: gty? :) |
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| 20:09.31 | Nyle | 3.5ghz core 2 |
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| 20:09.43 | binary | Nyle: why would that make KDE crash? |
| 20:09.46 | Nyle | binary, how come I think it works ok you have another alternative I can try? |
| 20:10.00 | Nyle | binary, no, I seem to slow down after a day or two |
| 20:10.02 | Nyle | very slow |
| 20:10.11 | Nyle | I dunno if its firefox's memory leaks or kde itself |
| 20:10.24 | binary | Nyle: ahh I don't use firefox |
| 20:10.25 | Nyle | what can try to observe in order to try to narrow this problem down |
| 20:10.28 | Nyle | ahh |
| 20:10.42 | binary | Nyle: although I did my mem usage is quite high |
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| 20:10.44 | Nyle | Cycom, I mean GFY, go fuck yourself |
| 20:10.51 | Nyle | Cycom, with all due respect of course :) |
| 20:10.52 | binary | http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z68/binary_album/?action=view¤t=countdown_8_10_c_00_days_a_here.png |
| 20:10.57 | Cycom | Nyle: I already told you I was busy dammit! |
| 20:10.58 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:11.00 | binary | I made it :-D |
| 20:11.06 | Nyle | oh |
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| 20:11.43 | Cycom | Nyle: In any case, KDE itself is crashing? |
| 20:11.53 | binary | Nyle: oh wait no, I forgot I've got a VM using 512 MB :-/ |
| 20:12.18 | biopyte | folks, i have a .avi file here i'd like to watch with xine. i did so before on a different box. however, i cant make it work here. among others i installed 'w32codecs' from marillat and 'avifile-win32-plugin' from the deb sources. no way, xine gives me a 'no demuxer plugin' error. any idea? |
| 20:12.26 | Nyle | bia hey cool |
| 20:12.35 | Nyle | Cycom, yes kate, konqueror, sometimes |
| 20:12.45 | biopyte | lenny here |
| 20:12.46 | Nyle | Cycom, I click on the application and nothin ghappens, I try it from console nothing happens |
| 20:12.49 | Nyle | just nothing! |
| 20:12.53 | Nyle | I restart X and everything is fine again |
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| 20:13.05 | Nyle | binary, can you come to #debian-chat real quick |
| 20:13.05 | binary | Nyle: lol, that sounds fucked |
| 20:13.12 | Nyle | binary, yeh no shit eh |
| 20:13.13 | binary | Nyle: yeah sure |
| 20:13.15 | Nyle | cool |
| 20:13.18 | Cycom | yeah, you're pretty boned Nyle |
| 20:13.24 | boozkachu | kunwon1: Cheers, dmesg doesnt seem to be giving me the answers, I'm probably not greping correctly |
| 20:13.26 | Nyle | I want to show you some of my debian artwork |
| 20:13.29 | Nyle | I made some wallpapers |
| 20:13.33 | Nyle | Cycom, you too if you wanna see |
| 20:13.35 | Cycom | what version of debian? etch? |
| 20:13.39 | Nyle | sid |
| 20:13.40 | Nyle | :) |
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| 20:13.43 | binary | Nyle: Eww |
| 20:13.49 | binary | Nyle: you masochist, lmao |
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| 20:13.54 | boozkachu | is it grepping or greping? |
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| 20:14.58 | hjb | boozkachu i'd say grepping, but not sure |
| 20:15.15 | hjb | boozkachu just feels better |
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| 20:15.37 | boozkachu | hjb: Yeah, i grok that |
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| 20:15.58 | agoodNando | Falat xserver error: could not open default fixed font, giving up. xinit: connection reset by peer (errno 104) unable to connect to xserver. Any help ? |
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| 20:16.10 | agoodNando | I'm in tty now. |
| 20:16.18 | Nyle | falat? |
| 20:16.30 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 20:16.31 | Nyle | falat |
| 20:16.43 | Nyle | that is one fucked up typo there agoodNando |
| 20:16.51 | Nyle | agoodNando, /msg dpkg fixed |
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| 20:18.44 | agoodNando | Nyle: I used an aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv --without-recommends |
| 20:19.51 | Nyle | agoodNando, hm thats probably what did it |
| 20:19.52 | Nyle | !fixed |
| 20:19.52 | dpkg | fixed font is probably if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 20:20.10 | Nyle | !info xfonts-base |
| 20:20.11 | agoodNando | :) |
| 20:20.16 | dpkg | xfonts-base: (standard fonts for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 5989 kB, Installed size: 8312 kB |
| 20:20.25 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 20:21.41 | agoodNando | That part "usually this means you WANT to 'aptitude install xorg'" is really funny. :D |
| 20:22.13 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:22.18 | agoodNando | Nyle: Thanks. I installed that package and I got xomoad up. Thanks. |
| 20:22.27 | Nyle | you are most welcome buddy |
| 20:22.27 | agoodNando | xmonad* |
| 20:22.36 | agoodNando | :) |
| 20:22.55 | Nyle | agoodNando, you are a regular debian user? |
| 20:23.41 | agoodNando | Well, I could say yes. I used it for fourn months in my pc, and 6 months in my two-sons' pc. |
| 20:23.54 | Nyle | you have two sons? that have thier own pcs? |
| 20:24.01 | Nyle | agoodNando, you must be a grandpa |
| 20:24.12 | agoodNando | I like Gentoo and Arch Linux very much as well. |
| 20:24.16 | agoodNando | Nyle: I'm 30. |
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| 20:24.24 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:24.30 | Nyle | so you're almost a grandpa then |
| 20:24.31 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:24.31 | agoodNando | My sons' are 11 an 9. |
| 20:24.39 | agoodNando | Nyle: :D |
| 20:25.09 | agoodNando | They'll be developers, they like command line. |
| 20:25.15 | Nyle | awesome |
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| 20:25.31 | Nyle | yeh teach em from now and by the time they get to our age they will be gurus |
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| 20:26.10 | Spreadsheet | hello people |
| 20:26.14 | Spreadsheet | this is strange |
| 20:26.14 | Nyle | hello Spreadsheet |
| 20:26.16 | Spreadsheet | i do not have ifconfig |
| 20:26.22 | Nyle | Spreadsheet, its in /sbin |
| 20:26.29 | Nyle | you might want to use it as sudo/root |
| 20:26.35 | Spreadsheet | it doesnt work |
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| 20:26.41 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 20:26.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:26.54 | Spreadsheet | ifconfig in su also says no command found |
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| 20:28.11 | themill | Spreadsheet: try running it as /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:28.19 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 20:28.26 | Spreadsheet | ok |
| 20:28.28 | Spreadsheet | thanks it works |
| 20:28.33 | Nyle | your path is fucked |
| 20:28.39 | Nyle | Spreadsheet, echo $OATH |
| 20:28.44 | Nyle | mother fucker.. |
| 20:28.49 | themill | Spreadsheet: use "su -" rahter than just "su". |
| 20:28.49 | Nyle | Spreadsheet, echo $PATH |
| 20:29.11 | Nyle | themill, what about -c |
| 20:29.14 | juniper | my nsswitch is set so hosts: files then dns, yet name resolution seems to ignore hosts. |
| 20:29.58 | juniper | does something cache a non-resolved name result? |
| 20:30.01 | themill | juniper: how are you testing this? |
| 20:30.06 | juniper | iceweasel |
| 20:30.16 | themill | Nyle: what about -c? |
| 20:30.21 | Nyle | su -c blahblah |
| 20:30.22 | juniper | host command also fails |
| 20:30.56 | themill | Nyle: yeah, but he was using/wanted a root shell |
| 20:31.00 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:31.10 | xingu | host is itself a dns client |
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| 20:31.29 | juniper | what can I use to test local dn resolution? |
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| 20:31.36 | xingu | ping's usually a good place to start |
| 20:31.37 | themill | juniper: getent hosts hostname |
| 20:31.53 | xingu | or getent ;) I keep forgetting about these modern glibc toys |
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| 20:32.12 | juniper | themill, looks like my exact host line entry |
| 20:32.22 | Nyle | hey does anyone know about debian supported ipv6 tunnel brokers? |
| 20:32.24 | themill | juniper: excellent |
| 20:32.26 | juniper | ping resolves it |
| 20:32.36 | xingu | Nyle: sixxs.org |
| 20:32.39 | Nyle | o |
| 20:32.52 | themill | juniper: do you have a proxy set up in iceweasel? |
| 20:32.53 | xingu | Nyle: use aiccu, it's pretty much configured for it |
| 20:33.04 | Nyle | uhm |
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| 20:33.15 | Nyle | its not a domain, sixs.org is german |
| 20:33.21 | Nyle | aiccu? |
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| 20:33.28 | gewt | Nyle, is't it 2 x's? |
| 20:33.29 | juniper | sigh.. pardon me. my test (local) site switched from foo.local.site.com to www.local.site.com for https :( I didn't have the www.local entry in hosts. |
| 20:33.38 | gewt | foo foo fo fo fo FOPO! |
| 20:33.43 | gewt | i messed that up. |
| 20:33.46 | gewt | walks away |
| 20:33.48 | xingu | Nyle: sixxs.net sorry |
| 20:33.52 | Nyle | xingu, ok |
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| 20:34.00 | juniper | well, I got to learn that important lesson about "host". |
| 20:34.07 | themill | juniper: :) |
| 20:34.10 | Nyle | An error occurred while loading http://sixxs.net: |
| 20:34.23 | xingu | Nyle: try your luck with https, sometimes it can be a bit dicky |
| 20:34.31 | Nyle | ping: unknown host sixxs.net |
| 20:34.36 | joltcan | Nyle: www.sixxs.net |
| 20:34.39 | Nyle | nope |
| 20:34.40 | gewt | hands Nyle www. |
| 20:34.46 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 20:34.50 | Nyle | now thats bullcrap! |
| 20:34.59 | gewt | what do you want sixxs.net for? |
| 20:35.03 | gewt | IPV6 tunnels? |
| 20:35.09 | gewt | s/tunnels/brokers/ |
| 20:35.12 | Nyle | yessir |
| 20:35.19 | gewt | Nyle, try http://go6.net |
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| 20:35.29 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:35.35 | Nyle | which one to use, poeple say diff things |
| 20:35.39 | Nyle | make up your minds peoples! |
| 20:35.41 | gewt | i sue go6.net |
| 20:35.46 | gewt | I don't have any issues with it |
| 20:35.47 | gewt | use* |
| 20:35.49 | Nyle | you sue? |
| 20:35.52 | Nyle | ohh! use |
| 20:35.56 | Nyle | phew |
| 20:36.04 | Nyle | ok checking out go6 |
| 20:36.13 | paxcoder | hey people. I'm wrestling with this xvidcap. I built xvidcap from source, and it worked on my 32bit version of Debian instantly. Now I've done the same on amd64bit version, and it will only capture images (xwd), not avi. I really have no patience to search online anymore, did anyone have the same prolbem? Please. |
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| 20:37.23 | paxcoder | *in short: I can't select anything other than xwd (images) otuput. |
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| 20:37.46 | gewt | Nyle, gewt{s} is ho6.net |
| 20:37.49 | gewt | go6.ney* |
| 20:37.53 | gewt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:37.56 | gewt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.13 | gewt | does #dbeian have random keyboard giveaways? |
| 20:38.15 | Nyle | uhm |
| 20:38.21 | Nyle | The Username is already registered |
| 20:38.31 | Nyle | I put in my real email... |
| 20:38.35 | Nyle | wtf |
| 20:38.39 | gewt | Nyle, use a different username |
| 20:38.43 | gewt | like qwenty |
| 20:38.44 | Nyle | no |
| 20:39.03 | gewt | or something you can remember? |
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| 20:39.12 | paxcoder | darnit darnit darnit!!! |
| 20:39.19 | jelly-home | !+tell gewt -about enter |
| 20:39.19 | dpkg | told gewt about enter. |
| 20:39.59 | Nyle | gewt, no I actually had already registered for go6 last year when I wanted to mess with ipv6 and then I got high and forgot about it |
| 20:40.02 | Nyle | :/ |
| 20:40.09 | gewt | Heh. |
| 20:40.37 | paxcoder | Linux.com: "Installation of XVidCap is easy because it comes in the repositories for most distributions". LOL. Yeah, sure it does. Just not with mine |
| 20:40.56 | Nyle | paxcoder, are you trying to make a screencast? |
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| 20:41.03 | paxcoder | Nyle: yes |
| 20:41.12 | themill | judd: versions xvidcap |
| 20:41.13 | judd | themill: xvidcap: 1.1.4-0.0 (etch-multimedia) 1.1.7-0.2 (lenny-multimedia) 1.1.7-0.2 (sid-multimedia) |
| 20:41.14 | Nyle | is there no other software in debian for it? |
| 20:41.17 | themill | paxcoder: ^^ |
| 20:41.45 | paxcoder | Nyle: there's istanbul, but I have yet to see it work |
| 20:41.55 | Nyle | istanbul? |
| 20:42.00 | Nyle | what kinda weird name is that |
| 20:42.03 | paxcoder | even now I have an icon of istanbul in lower right, saying "saving to disk" |
| 20:42.22 | paxcoder | Nyle: kinda like constantinopolis |
| 20:42.37 | Nyle | yeh I am aware of its Turkishness |
| 20:42.59 | paxcoder | judd: E: Couldn't find package xvidcap |
| 20:43.00 | judd | paxcoder: Error: "E:" is not a valid command. |
| 20:43.08 | gsa10132 | bah.. is Azureus the commonly used bittorrent client on Linux? I'm about to give up on that.. I have opened both the UDP and TCP ports (internally and externally), have uPnP activated, and ports are forwarded, but I still can't connect to other peers.. |
| 20:43.16 | paxcoder | oh. themill: E: Couldn't find package xvidcap |
| 20:43.20 | themill | dpkg: tell paxcoder about dmm |
| 20:43.21 | agoodNando | Why I get lots of package{a} ? I think they can be removed later. If I'm right, why apt wants to donwload them ? |
| 20:43.33 | Nyle | agoodNando, automatically selected |
| 20:43.50 | Nyle | agoodNando, yes they will. If you wish to cut down on them, use aptitude -R |
| 20:44.11 | paxcoder | themill: deb multi has lot of propriatery. I don't even have non-free repos. For crying out loud I use swfdec :-) ... :-( |
| 20:44.14 | themill | agoodNando: they are automatically installed as dependencies; if they are unneeded later when you remove other packages, then you can remove them. |
| 20:44.16 | Nyle | agoodNando, those are recommendencies... I just invented a new word today |
| 20:44.23 | themill | paxcoder: that's nice. |
| 20:44.46 | paxcoder | themill: actually, it's quite ugly :-/ |
| 20:44.50 | agoodNando | Nyle: :D |
| 20:44.55 | Nyle | I think thats pretty clever |
| 20:45.08 | Nyle | there you have a Dependency and now you can also have a Recommendency |
| 20:45.11 | Nyle | =D |
| 20:45.19 | agoodNando | I have to read more about apt and aptitude... |
| 20:45.28 | Nyle | I have a fantastic link for you |
| 20:45.40 | agoodNando | man ? |
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| 20:45.42 | Nyle | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
| 20:45.53 | Nyle | this is my bible |
| 20:46.01 | Nyle | for aptitutology |
| 20:46.24 | agoodNando | Nyle: You have an extensive vocabulary :D |
| 20:46.35 | paxcoder | how to convert xwd to png? |
| 20:46.48 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:46.54 | Nyle | xwd hm |
| 20:47.36 | Nyle | use imagemagick? |
| 20:48.23 | Nyle | paxcoder, man convert |
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| 20:49.01 | paxcoder | Nyle: wth. I tried that a minute ago, it wasn't there. now it is. (headbang) |
| 20:49.03 | Nyle | paxcoder, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Xwd |
| 20:49.17 | Nyle | paxcoder, life's little mysteries eh :) |
| 20:49.18 | paxcoder | Nyle: oh, nice. thx |
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| 20:50.05 | haroot | gey guys |
| 20:50.07 | haroot | debian rocks! |
| 20:50.17 | paxcoder | darn that's a bad miss |
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| 20:50.22 | vedant | Hi, I've given the correct settings to iwconfig to connect to a wireless network, yet it isn't associating with the network. What could be going on? |
| 20:50.30 | haroot | um |
| 20:50.34 | haroot | its your driver |
| 20:50.35 | themill | paxcoder: xvidcap depends on lame which is also only on dmm. If you don't use mp3 audio with xvidcap then you're not using anything that isn't in debian proper. |
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| 20:50.59 | haroot | ubuntu sucks |
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| 20:51.03 | haroot | no offense its a piece of shit |
| 20:51.09 | haroot | 7.04 is faster than the new ones |
| 20:51.17 | paxcoder | "tell haroot about enter |
| 20:51.17 | Nyle | haroot, fantastic |
| 20:51.18 | vedant | haroot: the chipset is rt2500; the driver is in the linux kernel itself |
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| 20:51.31 | paxcoder | !tell haroot about ente |
| 20:51.34 | Nyle | haroot, even though we apprecaite your enthusiasm, it still isn't appropriate to bash ubuntu like this here |
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| 20:51.38 | Nyle | haroot, ok? |
| 20:51.40 | paxcoder | (09:50:56 PM) paxcoder: !tell haroot about enter |
| 20:51.54 | paxcoder | ok, I'm now going to bang my head against the table some more |
| 20:51.58 | haroot | ok |
| 20:51.58 | Nyle | haroot, you actually have to bash with more ferocity and animosity! j/k cut it out |
| 20:52.01 | dvs | watches |
| 20:52.03 | haroot | but this is the issue with ubuntu |
| 20:52.07 | haroot | it is slower |
| 20:52.10 | haroot | now than before |
| 20:52.14 | paxcoder | !tell haroot about enter |
| 20:52.15 | Nyle | haroot, ok we don't need to discuss it here |
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| 20:52.21 | haroot | ok |
| 20:52.21 | themill | haroot: ubuntu isn't on topic in #debian |
| 20:52.22 | Nyle | haroot, do you have a debian support related question? |
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| 20:52.27 | haroot | no |
| 20:52.30 | haroot | my buddy is a Dev |
| 20:52.34 | haroot | i know how to run it solid |
| 20:52.34 | Nyle | haroot, for all other chat you can join #debian-chat |
| 20:52.39 | haroot | oh ok |
| 20:52.42 | Nyle | haroot, here you can ask for debian support only |
| 20:52.43 | haroot | i don't need support, thanks |
| 20:52.46 | haroot | but I don't midn helping people |
| 20:52.54 | paxcoder | Nyle: debian-chat? didn't we use -offtopic for that? |
| 20:52.56 | haroot | can I stick around and help people? |
| 20:52.57 | Nyle | fantastic, pleae keep it ontopic and construtive |
| 20:52.59 | Nyle | paxcoder, both |
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| 20:53.09 | haroot | so can I help people? give em advice? |
| 20:53.21 | themill | haroot: of course, that's great, just try to be more signal and less noise in the channel. |
| 20:53.21 | Nyle | sure, as long as its debian related |
| 20:53.33 | haroot | ok |
| 20:53.57 | haroot | vedant: do you run DHCP? |
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| 20:54.10 | gewt | think debian is betetr than ubuntu but ubuntu is stillg ood |
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| 20:54.38 | Nyle | its ALL good man |
| 20:54.43 | nadalizadeh | Hi guys ! got a debmirror question ! Can I skip "-dbg" packages while mirroring the packages ? I want to split them on dvd and don't like dbg files |
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| 20:55.42 | vedant | haroot: DHCP is nowhere relevant to the problem here, but yes, the AP is a DHCP server too. |
| 20:56.08 | nadalizadeh | Anybody interested in debian package management here ? |
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| 20:56.19 | arkara | hello |
| 20:56.21 | haroot | vedant: how do you know, what if u static iped the wireless adn it worked? |
| 20:56.31 | Nyle | nadalizadeh, its a sunday too.. keep in mind a lot of people are relaxing away from computers |
| 20:56.34 | haroot | vedant: can u dump your iwconfig |
| 20:56.40 | Nyle | nadalizadeh, be patient you'll get your answer |
| 20:56.51 | haroot | vedant: pm ur iwconfig please |
| 20:56.58 | nadalizadeh | Nyle, thanks a lot |
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| 20:57.28 | Nyle | haroot, its more appropriate to ask them to pastebin it. |
| 20:57.47 | vedant | haroot: here you go, http://pastebin.com/d10b472ab |
| 20:57.54 | haroot | Nyle: I don't use IRC much I don't know what that means |
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| 20:58.29 | Jasper | hej guys, how can I update my rrdtool version from etch to testing? |
| 20:58.34 | Jasper | and only rrdtool? |
| 20:58.49 | Jasper | without setting my system to testing.. |
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| 20:59.17 | hjb | !tell Jasper about pinning |
| 20:59.42 | Jasper | If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 20:59.51 | vedant | Nyle: any pointers on where to seek help for wireless troubles? |
| 21:00.23 | hjb | Jasper uhh, sorry :-) but at least it took you on the right path ;) |
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| 21:00.54 | Jasper | not really since there aint a backport |
| 21:01.01 | Jasper | can't I get rrdtool from testing only |
| 21:01.30 | Nyle | vedant, ##wireless I would assume, here too if its debian specific |
| 21:01.41 | hjb | Jasper you can try to download the .deb packages manually |
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| 21:01.43 | Nyle | vedant, really here or ##linux or ##wireless is fine |
| 21:01.48 | haroot | vedant: if dhclient wlan0 doesn't work, I would recommend using another essid and even possibly turning wep off, to see if the cause is your essid or your wep |
| 21:01.52 | hjb | Jasper maybe there's another way, but i don't knwo |
| 21:01.55 | vedant | nobody seems to be active on #wireless |
| 21:02.05 | Nyle | vedant, patience |
| 21:02.22 | vedant | Nyle: yep :) |
| 21:02.39 | haroot | i'm a IRC newb |
| 21:02.46 | Nyle | i is a vowel |
| 21:02.55 | Nyle | I'm _an_ irc newb |
| 21:03.07 | nadalizadeh | :D |
| 21:03.10 | Nyle | and you can probably tell how bored I am |
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| 21:03.12 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:03.17 | haroot | no its because of am not I |
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| 21:03.29 | Nyle | haroot, no |
| 21:03.37 | haroot | a is a vowel |
| 21:03.54 | Nyle | yes, but an is prepende before the word not, appended after a word |
| 21:03.56 | nadalizadeh | ok, i and a are both voewl(s) :D |
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| 21:04.10 | haroot | i' m from the USSR, leave me alone |
| 21:04.15 | gsa10132 | I installed Wine, but not sure how to access it.. should it be located in the menus somewhere? |
| 21:04.20 | Nyle | its all good, you speak fine |
| 21:04.22 | haroot | this is my third language i went to www.ucsc.edu though |
| 21:04.29 | Nyle | gsa10132, you probably want winecfg |
| 21:04.34 | hjb | haroot USSR? I thought that's history :) |
| 21:04.47 | Nyle | gsa10132, that will create a ~/.wine/drive_c/Windows/ and/ProgramFiles etc. |
| 21:05.02 | haroot | hjb: I am Misha Nasledov's friend, he did GTKhx and ThinkSynth packages for debian |
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| 21:05.11 | gsa10132 | aah, okay, thanks |
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| 21:05.24 | Nyle | gsa10132, then you can launch exe programs etc. with wine -arguments to wine blah.exe -arguments to blah.exe |
| 21:05.27 | hjb | haroot cool, welcome |
| 21:05.35 | haroot | gsa10132: wine is setup in your home directory in .wine |
| 21:05.50 | hjb | haroot btw. what's ThinkSynth? Sounds interesting |
| 21:06.04 | Nyle | I see I just heard my hdd click |
| 21:06.05 | haroot | hjb: its a jack based synthesizer for linux |
| 21:06.06 | Nyle | wtf |
| 21:06.19 | haroot | Nyle: the click of death you are screwed your platter is bad! |
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| 21:06.20 | Nyle | haroot, you don't make electronic music by any chance do you? |
| 21:06.26 | hjb | haroot yeah, i see |
| 21:06.35 | haroot | Nyle: wwww.djmtheory.com myspace.com/djmtheory I DO! |
| 21:06.43 | Nyle | haroot, #music pleae |
| 21:06.48 | Jasper | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room ... what does this mean? |
| 21:06.59 | haroot | Nyle: don't ask don't tell then lol |
| 21:07.01 | Nyle | haroot, talk to me in #music please I also make music |
| 21:07.08 | haroot | oh ok, i'm there |
| 21:07.10 | Nyle | haroot, sorry have to keep offtopic stuff out of here |
| 21:07.15 | Nyle | haroot, you understand |
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| 21:13.55 | vedant | I've given correct settings to iwconfig, yet it doesn't associate with the AP. What could be the problem? |
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| 21:16.47 | haroot | vedant: your driver could be the problem what kernel version ru using? |
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| 21:17.38 | vedant | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 21:19.32 | snitko | help me with .Xresources please. I added 'Vim.geometry: 30x30' there, but it doesn't work for 'gvim' (also tried addin 'Gvim.geometry'). I checked 'xrdb -query', the settings are definitely loaded. |
| 21:19.36 | haroot | vedant: which wireless card/driver do you use? |
| 21:20.37 | haroot | snitko. your window manager should remember geometry on its own, i use xfce and it remembers my window dimensions |
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| 21:20.52 | Facedown | is it easy to go from debian etch to ubuntu latest? |
| 21:21.10 | Facedown | without doing a whole wipeout of hd |
| 21:21.14 | Nyle | Facedown, sure, as easy as it is it isntall ubuntu |
| 21:21.21 | Nyle | Facedown, sure |
| 21:21.23 | pngwn | Facedown, ask #ubuntu |
| 21:21.27 | snitko | haroot: well, mine doesn't remember a shit, it's a common gnome problem, but I don't want to switch to anything else. |
| 21:21.43 | Nyle | Facedown, you can resize ah ext3 file system and make room for a new partition, in that partition you can do whatever |
| 21:22.05 | vedant | haroot: I think my driver is rt2x00 |
| 21:22.21 | Nyle | Facedown, if you want to use debian to partition/resize your drive, then you can ask here, if you are going to use the ubuntu installer to do then #ubuntu is the more appropriate place |
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| 21:23.20 | Facedown | Nyle - oh you mean like run both? |
| 21:23.26 | Nyle | sure |
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| 21:23.30 | Facedown | I'd like that |
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| 21:23.37 | Facedown | How can i resize? |
| 21:23.38 | Nyle | you can even run one inside the other |
| 21:23.44 | Facedown | with debian |
| 21:23.55 | Nyle | you can use parted |
| 21:24.15 | Nyle | gparted or qtparted |
| 21:24.35 | Nyle | ou might be better off with a gui on second thought, try gparted |
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| 21:24.44 | haroot | Facedown: apt-get install gparted |
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| 21:25.25 | Nyle | haroot, we recommend aptitude actually |
| 21:25.29 | Facedown | seems i have 3 |
| 21:25.40 | Facedown | ext3, extended, linux-swap |
| 21:25.45 | Facedown | ext3 = 72 gb |
| 21:25.51 | Facedown | i dont see any option to resize it though |
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| 21:26.06 | Nyle | you have to probably do it not from inside debian |
| 21:26.16 | snikker | i can't read the name of files that contain iso8859-15 chars, can you help me please? |
| 21:26.18 | Nyle | its because they are currently in use by the systemn, actively mounted FS |
| 21:26.21 | EtherNet | did anyone get lm-sensors to provide temperature info under a Motherboard ASUS M3A ? |
| 21:26.22 | Facedown | Oh |
| 21:26.33 | Nyle | Facedown, you would have to use the ubuntu live cd in this case |
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| 21:26.41 | Nyle | Facedown, join #ubuntu |
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| 21:32.57 | kshah | hi, what are recommended permissions to give myself as a sudoer? ALL=(ALL) ALL seems like it'd defeat the purpose |
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| 21:33.21 | samphippen | can I have packages run scripts after they are set up? |
| 21:33.35 | samphippen | if I am creating a new package? |
| 21:33.41 | dmoerner | samphippen, debian/package.postinst |
| 21:35.25 | samphippen | should debian be in capitals? |
| 21:35.36 | samphippen | and is postinst a !#/bin/bash style script? |
| 21:36.02 | rysiek|pl | samphippen: yes and yes |
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| 21:36.09 | rysiek|pl | samphippen: oops |
| 21:36.15 | rysiek|pl | samphippen: no and yes, that is ;) |
| 21:36.15 | dmoerner | samphippen, debian should not be in capitals. postinst should use /bin/sh. shebangs are #!/bin/sh not !#/bin/sh |
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| 21:36.36 | samphippen | oh lol |
| 21:36.41 | dmoerner | all postinst/preinst files should be set -e |
| 21:36.49 | dmoerner | same applies for prerm/postrm |
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| 21:37.13 | samphippen | dmoerner, so I do use #!/bin/sh |
| 21:37.23 | samphippen | or does it do it automagically? |
| 21:37.30 | dmoerner | yes, and you need #DEBHELPER# at the end. |
| 21:37.35 | dmoerner | what guide are you using to explain packaging? |
| 21:37.53 | samphippen | my friend |
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| 21:38.00 | samphippen | who gave me some simple stuff |
| 21:38.04 | dmoerner | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 21:38.24 | nadalizadeh | Anyone know how I can I filter -dbg packages from debmirror ? (or debpartial at least) |
| 21:38.36 | tsrk | Hi, does anyone in here know enough about samba that they'd like to answer a few pretty basic questions? |
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| 21:39.20 | dmoerner | samphippen, a guide for some simple stuff from your friend probably won't work very well if you are needing to use maintainer scripts |
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| 21:39.24 | rysiek|pl | tsrk: problems with it? |
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| 21:39.37 | rysiek|pl | tsrk: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html -> read this |
| 21:39.37 | tsrk | rysiek|pl, no, just some questions |
| 21:39.44 | tsrk | it's not problems |
| 21:39.44 | rysiek|pl | tsrk: ah, nvm then |
| 21:39.58 | tsrk | like what's the authentication mode mean? |
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| 21:40.11 | tsrk | like user/share/server/domain |
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| 21:41.34 | tsrk | also, are permissions on the files the same as the permissions of the unix user of a samba user? |
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| 21:41.42 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 21:42.16 | rysiek|pl | tsrk: /join #samba |
| 21:42.35 | tsrk | I asked there a while ago but nobody seems to be active |
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| 21:44.36 | khaleel5000 | i am downloading a file, via torrent, (there seem to be a lot of seeders and leechers ) available for it, but I am getting only 5 kbps (my connection is 50 kbps) on debian lenny, any suggestions why? |
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| 21:44.44 | Ben_Cs | Can anyone explain the sudden (last few months) popularity of Debian in distrowatch statistics? What happened that people became more interested in Debian itself and not only in derivatives (which are more comfortable for not advanced linux users)? |
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| 21:45.28 | dmoerner | Ben_Cs, I don't think it's possible to explain the distrowatch statistics |
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| 21:46.16 | Ben_Cs | dmoerner: you mean they're not accurate? |
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| 21:46.23 | s0nix | hi |
| 21:47.02 | dmoerner | Ben_Cs, hits per day on the distrowatch page for a distribution has nothing to do with anything in terms of actual interest or use |
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| 21:47.17 | s0nix | i have an error when building my package debian with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" ........ here's the error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: cannot fork objdump: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:47.19 | s0nix | any idea ? |
| 21:48.07 | sgj | Hi, facing some DNS issues here... Using dnsmasq on three routers/subnets linked through static routes. 192.168.0.1 is the router with the actual internet connection. |
| 21:48.25 | Ben_Cs | dmoerner: it does show how many people are interested in debian no? |
| 21:48.42 | rc1985 | hello! i need help with postfix+dovecot. after following a dozen of tutorials all over the week i can still not make it work. right now, im receiving the msg that the recipient reject my msg, because it didnt exist in the virtual user list. but it is there |
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| 21:48.59 | norbert_ | is there any way to get ffmpeg with mp3 support without compiling yourself? |
| 21:49.05 | dmoerner | Ben_Cs, yes, but there isn't any real scientific accuracy or difference between the top 10 |
| 21:49.21 | dmoerner | for instance debian is far more used than dreamlinux but both are relatively close in hpd |
| 21:49.56 | sgj | 192.168.0.1 uses domain.lan, and 192.168.1.1 uses sub.domain.lan. Resolving host.sub.domain.lan from 192.168.0.1 won't work, even though i've defined server=/sub.domain.lan/192.168.1.1 |
| 21:50.17 | Ben_Cs | dmoerner: yes, in users numbers it says not much |
| 21:51.04 | sgj | Running "nslookup www.kernel.org 192.168.1.1 from 192.168.0.1" works swell, but running "nslookup host.sub.domain.lan 192.168.1.1" doesn't. |
| 21:51.47 | sgj | Both commands work out ON 192.168.1.1, so it seems dnsmasq won't let other subnets query its internal cache. |
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| 21:52.22 | norbert_ | (never mind; I'm compiling; I don't think there's another way) |
| 21:52.32 | somnambulant | Ben_Cs: it could be that people are starting to realize that so many distros are based on debian, and are cecking it out.. |
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| 21:53.03 | somnambulant | Ben_Cs: but who knows.. it's really hard to say |
| 21:54.19 | Ben_Cs | somnambulant: And for good reason they are. I don't think i could feel as comfortable in a non Debian based distro as in Debaian or Debian based one. |
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| 21:55.24 | somnambulant | Ben_Cs: i'm with you there |
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| 21:56.45 | Laeborg | Ey |
| 21:57.30 | jens_ | Ey |
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| 21:57.58 | Laeborg | i have installed apache2. how can i bind /home/elitebits/www into /var/www ? |
| 21:58.10 | s0nix | Laeborg: virtualhost |
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| 21:58.38 | s0nix | or symbolic link |
| 21:58.55 | Laeborg | no something like ln -s |
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| 21:59.20 | s0nix | use apache configuration, add a virtualhost |
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| 22:05.03 | pablo | hi, how can i install a package that is in the experimental repos? is there any problem with that? |
| 22:05.27 | s0nix | no? |
| 22:05.36 | s0nix | just install it with apt-get .. |
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| 22:06.54 | pablo | s0nix: how do i specify to apt the repos? |
| 22:07.21 | s0nix | you can use the option -t to specify which dist to use. |
| 22:07.27 | billenium | I just installed Debian, and when i try to do apt-get or synaptic to install GCC it asks me to put in a CD... which i do not have. |
| 22:07.41 | billenium | Is there any other way to get GCC? |
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| 22:10.27 | magnetron | billeniumâ you can install it from the repos over the network. just comment out the CD line in your sources.list and it will stop asking you for a CD |
| 22:10.44 | magnetron | billeniumâ assuming you have internet access, that is |
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| 22:12.13 | zleap | is there a way to move a child process to another parent process |
| 22:12.23 | zleap | such as tty1 and move it to tty2 |
| 22:13.01 | billenium | magnetron :( Where is the source.list :P |
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| 22:15.24 | pngwn | billenium, /etc/apt |
| 22:16.19 | Tramp | zleap: check "retty" |
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| 22:17.43 | zleap | thanks |
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| 22:18.53 | billenium | !texteditor |
| 22:18.55 | billenium | er... |
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| 22:19.05 | billenium | What is a/the debian text editor called? |
| 22:19.11 | amal029 | sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:19.57 | gewt | billenium, there are multiple |
| 22:20.00 | gewt | vi vim nano |
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| 22:20.31 | Laeborg | can any one help me with apache ? |
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| 22:21.40 | Laeborg | or virtual host |
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| 22:22.14 | zleap | Tramp: it looks like that is what he was looking for, |
| 22:22.21 | billenium | Laeborg: If you want a fast webserver daemon you could look into nginx :D Just saying... |
| 22:22.43 | billenium | The RAM footprint left from nginx is about 2mb (compared to Apache 300mb) |
| 22:23.25 | Tramp | zleap: yeah, maybe. Note that it will not change the controlling terminal, just redirect stdin/out/err |
| 22:23.33 | pipeline | Laeborg: it's better to get right to your question, nobody follows up on general inquiries. |
| 22:23.37 | Laeborg | well http://mydomain.com goes to /home/elitebits/www - i want http://mydomain.com:81 go to /var/www/phpmyadmin |
| 22:24.03 | zleap | i will pass that on |
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| 22:26.42 | protocols | Laeborg, virtualhost? |
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| 22:27.07 | Laeborg | yup |
| 22:27.20 | protocols | is there any voip client with pulseaudio support? |
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| 22:31.09 | Gumby | Hi all. I am trying to change ownership of a folder and I am getting permission denied even as root. Can anyone suggest why this might happen and how to fix it? |
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| 22:36.25 | \amethyst | Gumby: is it a non-Unix filesystem? |
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| 22:37.17 | rodhash | Hi there, how can I install on debian lenny the same matrix screensaver that there's on ubuntu ?? is it simple ? |
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| 22:37.43 | zleap | cmatrix is a console version |
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| 22:38.02 | zleap | otherwise there is one in kde screensaver package, and probably the gnome one too |
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| 22:38.36 | rodhash | unfortunately I didn't find it on debian and I'd like to install it |
| 22:38.46 | Gumby | \amethyst: no, its a linux filesystem |
| 22:38.53 | embrik | how can I mount an external usb HD connected to workstation2, to my debian server (sarge) |
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| 22:40.06 | zleap | rodhash: right click on desktop, goto properties i think, then screen savers and see if its in the list |
| 22:40.15 | zleap | there are varions packages that have screensavers |
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| 22:46.02 | jogla | libmouse-perl is not in testing |
| 22:46.14 | jogla | but i think there was a package once, how can i find more information? |
| 22:46.44 | n3kl | What kind of encryption is used in the debian install? |
| 22:48.18 | Nyle | uh |
| 22:48.25 | themill | !why is libmouse-perl not in testing |
| 22:48.26 | dpkg | libmouse-perl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libmouse-perl |
| 22:48.28 | themill | jogla: ^^ |
| 22:48.48 | gryfie | hi.... how can I change grub only displaying options, if i press a key (space for example) |
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| 22:49.31 | jogla | themill: Thank you |
| 22:49.37 | themill | jogla: it's never been in testing -- it's first upload to debian was only 3 weeks ago. |
| 22:49.39 | jogla | How can i install it from sid? |
| 22:51.12 | themill | jogla: you can probably just download the .deb and dpkg -i to install it as it's a trivial perl module. (note that you cannot do that for most packages in the archive) |
| 22:51.37 | jogla | thanks |
| 22:52.15 | embrik | how can i mount a usb harddrive mounted on workstation2 on my server? |
| 22:52.17 | themill | jogla: sure you're not thinking of libmoose-perl? |
| 22:52.45 | jogla | yes |
| 22:53.07 | jogla | its basicly the same, but i use libmouse |
| 22:55.34 | muddd | suggest to me a small program that allows me to play chess, not gnome or anything big please |
| 22:55.51 | muddd | or using java |
| 22:56.37 | Pryon | gnuchess |
| 22:56.44 | muddd | ty |
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| 22:58.39 | muddd | uh ok something with a gui |
| 22:58.42 | \amethyst | you probably want at least xboard to sit atop gnuchess |
| 22:58.50 | muddd | yeah heh |
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| 22:59.17 | muddd | ah perfect |
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| 23:02.30 | kloppe | is it possible to have multiple, seperate repositories with apt-cacher? |
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| 23:04.20 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 23:04.27 | HardDisk_WP | in htop, which tab is the real mem usage? |
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| 23:04.44 | HardDisk_WP | and there are ~14 mysql processes each 120MB |
| 23:04.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I optimize them? |
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| 23:06.22 | pablo | hi, which are the minimal packages to have a working xorg-xserver? |
| 23:06.44 | n3kl | I need an opinion. Is it better to create a Physical Volume Group inside an encrypted partition, or better to create encrypted volumes inside Logical Volumes? |
| 23:06.46 | HardDisk_WP | xorg, xfonts-base, xfonts-75dpi |
| 23:06.55 | HardDisk_WP | and a desktop environment |
| 23:06.57 | HardDisk_WP | and a login manager |
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| 23:07.11 | ntmartin | If anyone else is having problems with "Read-only file system" change the last bit for you root mount from error=remount-ro to defaults |
| 23:07.13 | HardDisk_WP | for kde, the packages would be kde for the desktop and kdm for the login |
| 23:07.19 | pablo | Holborn: all of the xorg package is needed? |
| 23:07.44 | dante_2core | HardDisk_WP, well that's not really minimal |
| 23:08.01 | dante_2core | pablo, xserver-xorg and fluxbox, for instance. |
| 23:08.08 | pablo | dante_2core: great |
| 23:08.29 | pablo | dante_2core: xserver-xorg needs any fonts or it will work? |
| 23:08.33 | dante_2core | pablo, you might have to configure your xserver a bit |
| 23:08.38 | dante_2core | pablo, it'll depend on what it needs |
| 23:09.03 | pablo | dante_2core: by configure tou mean xorg.conf? |
| 23:09.25 | pablo | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^you |
| 23:09.28 | dante_2core | pablo, oh wait - xserver-xorg installs the whole thing, I don't know if you want that. If you know what video card you use, you can install only its driver and not all of them for xorg |
| 23:09.44 | pablo | dante_2core: yep |
| 23:09.45 | dante_2core | pablo, yes. what video card do you have? |
| 23:10.06 | pablo | dante_2core: i use the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
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| 23:10.39 | dante_2core | pablo, ok. then it's xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-kbd, xserver-xorg-input-mouse, xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and fluxbox |
| 23:10.50 | dante_2core | then you edit your ~/.xinitrc to contain "fluxbox" |
| 23:10.52 | pablo | dante_2core: great thanks |
| 23:10.53 | dante_2core | and do an xinit |
| 23:11.00 | pablo | dante_2core: sure |
| 23:11.10 | dante_2core | you're welcome. |
| 23:11.11 | pablo | HardDisk_WP: thank you also |
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| 23:11.51 | HardDisk_WP | np |
| 23:14.37 | dante_2core | afk |
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| 23:15.09 | gentooeax | fuck #gentoo debioan r0cks |
| 23:15.19 | gentooeax | loves debiabn |
| 23:15.24 | gentooeax | debian |
| 23:15.33 | gentooeax | :) |
| 23:16.04 | gentooeax | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk |
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| 23:18.19 | HardDisk_WP | how can I optimize RAM usage of this machine: http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arghil7.png ? |
| 23:18.31 | HardDisk_WP | the culprits are apache2 and mysql, I know this |
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| 23:21.08 | themill | HardDisk_WP: use "skip-innodb" in my.cnf if you are not using innodb databases. |
| 23:21.20 | ryty_ | HardDisk_WP: try to consolidate your queries down to one connection |
| 23:21.27 | ryty_ | ..where possible |
| 23:21.55 | ryty_ | or just add more memory. 1 GB is like 50 bucks now adays |
| 23:22.31 | HardDisk_WP | ryty_, vserver, impossible |
| 23:23.00 | magyar | hi i use dump to backup my file system to a dat 72 tapedrive, when i use compression i get the error of "DUMP: write error 30 blocks into volume 1: Invalid argument" |
| 23:23.03 | HardDisk_WP | themill, how do I find out if wordpress or the project of my friend use innodb? |
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| 23:23.48 | themill | HardDisk_WP: have a look at the dbs that you have (e.g. in mysqldump or in phpmyadmin) |
| 23:24.42 | HardDisk_WP | themill, everything myisam |
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| 23:27.02 | themill | HardDisk_WP: then adding skip-innodb to my.cnf (or uncommenting it, actually) will save you about 100MB of memory from mysqld. |
| 23:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | wow |
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| 23:27.30 | themill | 100ish... :) |
| 23:27.30 | n3kl | themill: good to know! |
| 23:27.46 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.46 | HardDisk_WP | Mem: 262144 102196 159948 |
| 23:27.48 | HardDisk_WP | WOOOOT |
| 23:28.04 | HardDisk_WP | themill, THANKS! |
| 23:28.11 | HardDisk_WP | holy shit |
| 23:28.20 | themill | n3kl: yeah... you hit a fair overhead with innodb in mysql. |
| 23:30.46 | HardDisk_WP | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 3576 bytes) in /usr/share/wordpress/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 600 |
| 23:30.46 | HardDisk_WP | themill, how do I get rid of this? |
| 23:30.59 | HardDisk_WP | memlimit was 16M before, then I set up to 32M, still the same (!!) error |
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| 23:31.29 | themill | HardDisk_WP: don't allocate so much memory in your program.... or don't leak so much memory. 32MB is a lot for a script to be using (and you've hit 32MB there) |
| 23:32.02 | HardDisk_WP | themill, this is wordpress... |
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| 23:32.23 | themill | realises why every wordpress site he goes to is so horribly slow |
| 23:32.31 | HardDisk_WP | themill, actually, I raised memlimit to 64MB... |
| 23:32.44 | HardDisk_WP | now the cache clearing works (and with this, my blog also) |
| 23:32.45 | themill | HardDisk_WP: did you reload apache after doing so? |
| 23:33.00 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 23:33.03 | HardDisk_WP | every time |
| 23:33.17 | HardDisk_WP | themill, can php scripts raise up the memlimit? |
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| 23:33.39 | n3kl | You can also reduce the number of apache servers that are running too, iirc |
| 23:33.57 | HardDisk_WP | three, that's not much |
| 23:34.04 | HardDisk_WP | the mysql was more of a problem |
| 23:34.24 | HardDisk_WP | hell, mysql uses 24MB (!!!!!) now! |
| 23:35.11 | Maliuta | HardDisk_WP: tune it |
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| 23:35.43 | HardDisk_WP | Maliuta, already have... thanks to themill mysql uses 101MB less than before |
| 23:35.50 | themill | !win me |
| 23:35.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:35.52 | HardDisk_WP | 100MB ram only for unused innodb |
| 23:36.03 | HardDisk_WP | that sucks |
| 23:36.12 | Maliuta | mysql suck full stop |
| 23:36.25 | Maliuta | I have always prefered Postgres |
| 23:36.33 | HardDisk_WP | themill, how do I build a tree of the whole FS so I can find out where storage leaks are? |
| 23:36.44 | themill | huh? |
| 23:36.44 | javanero | used AOL CD = solar panels |
| 23:36.46 | HardDisk_WP | Maliuta, yeah, but Wordpress does not |
| 23:37.07 | HardDisk_WP | themill, 2.2GB are used, but only 550 in /home or /static (where my svn lives) |
| 23:37.17 | HardDisk_WP | I want to find the remaining 1,7gb |
| 23:37.48 | freezer | anyone got the HP PhotoSmart C6280 ? |
| 23:37.51 | n3kl | du -cks * | sort -rn | head -n 20 |
| 23:37.57 | n3kl | HardDisk_WP: ^^ |
| 23:38.12 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 23:38.18 | n3kl | freezer: might try #hardware. Whats the problem? |
| 23:38.42 | themill | HardDisk_WP: also look for files that are held open by processes but are supposedly deleted. |
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| 23:39.09 | freezer | n3kl: just wanna know if it can do copies without a pc being connected |
| 23:39.18 | HardDisk_WP | themill, http://pastebin.com/m466bee61 |
| 23:39.40 | HardDisk_WP | what the HELL is there in /usr/?! |
| 23:40.28 | n3kl | freezer: I have no idea. Ask in #hardware, someone may know |
| 23:40.45 | themill | HardDisk_WP: what do you have in /proc? That's werid. |
| 23:41.20 | HardDisk_WP | themill, 263194 vz |
| 23:41.27 | n3kl | HardDisk_WP: this will account for hidden files too: find . -maxdepth 1 -print0 | xargs -0 du -cks | sort -rn | head -n 20 |
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| 23:42.01 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, no need for this, the stats are roughly accurate |
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| 23:42.18 | n3kl | kewl |
| 23:42.26 | evan_ | hi does anyone know how to fix img_convert in ffmpeg? |
| 23:43.04 | themill | HardDisk_WP: that's a lot in /var too. Look for big logs, mail spools or an apt-cache that wants cleaning. |
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| 23:44.16 | HardDisk_WP | themill, apt-cache freed me of 53MB, now 107 in /var/cache |
| 23:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | 191028 log |
| 23:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | 123624 www |
| 23:44.41 | HardDisk_WP | apache logs mainly |
| 23:44.49 | n3kl | working on tiny machines is fun/challenging to get things working correctly |
| 23:44.51 | HardDisk_WP | but don't I need all of them for webalizer? |
| 23:45.04 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, as tiny as NSLU2 or even tinier? |
| 23:45.27 | n3kl | what is that? |
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| 23:46.16 | themill | HardDisk_WP: do you really need the logs from a slug at all? |
| 23:47.10 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, ultra-small NAS, you can run debian on it, you see |
| 23:47.22 | n3kl | Ah |
| 23:47.30 | HardDisk_WP | themill, my server is not an nslu2 :p |
| 23:47.33 | n3kl | Is it cool? |
| 23:47.37 | HardDisk_WP | Yeah! |
| 23:47.39 | HardDisk_WP | 40⬠|
| 23:47.51 | HardDisk_WP | And I control my whole fucking room with it, no joke |
| 23:47.57 | HardDisk_WP | everything, from light to multimedia |
| 23:48.25 | n3kl | HardDisk_WP: how? Light? |
| 23:48.33 | HardDisk_WP | pretty weird, I login from my cellphone to it when i'm on way home and my favourite tv show starts nearly |
| 23:48.45 | HardDisk_WP | then I tell it to start tv, so I come in and simpsons r running |
| 23:48.51 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, *everything*... |
| 23:49.10 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, you want me to explain? |
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| 23:52.28 | n3kl | I will listen... |
| 23:53.41 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, ok... |
| 23:54.33 | HardDisk_WP | center light, audio amp/dvd player combo, monitor, tv to vga bridge are controlled by the nslu2 via some electric switch (USB controlled) |
| 23:55.27 | HardDisk_WP | the audio/dvd player, the extigy 2 usb audio (connected to nslu2) and the tv bridge are controlled via infrared (attached to nslu2) |
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| 23:56.18 | HardDisk_WP | and here comes the best thing: an old c-control microcontroller has some old LCD display and 3x4 keyboard, which also lets me controll all this stuff |
| 23:56.38 | HardDisk_WP | only downside is that the ir stuff is unreliable |
| 23:57.06 | HardDisk_WP | cat /dev/ttyUSB1 > /static/macros/tv_on and reverse sometimes fails |
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| 23:57.16 | HardDisk_WP | n3kl, so that is my setup |
| 23:57.22 | HardDisk_WP | of course, the NSLU does even more |
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| 23:57.43 | HardDisk_WP | IPv6 gateway, torrent downloader (together with an 250GB NAS, connected through NFS) |
| 23:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | web server, web proxy when in school |
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| 23:59.10 | acu | grigore |
| 23:59.21 | marius | nu scrie grigore |
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