| 00:00.00 | inigo | put this scenario: bonding (bond0 = eth0 + eth1) over that a vpn bridge (br0 = bond0 + tap0) and now put vlans over that and traffic switching from one network to other.... |
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| 00:00.09 | inigo | some times -i any is useful |
| 00:00.38 | Tramp | inigo: but I agree. Debugged on routers with several hundred VPNs and messed up routing. Somteimes you really could not find out, where the bloody traffic went |
| 00:00.39 | inigo | and with -I (print interface with each packet) would be more useful |
| 00:00.55 | inigo | yes :) |
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| 00:01.02 | karmatronic | hi there1 |
| 00:01.59 | Tramp | inigo: yes, no doubt. If you have "-i any" you also should have -I. |
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| 00:03.18 | karmatronic | is it possible to have 2X (laptop+VGA) with an intel driver .no xrandr with is buggy with gnome panel nor xinerama which doesnt work well with compiz |
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| 00:05.20 | minus198 | Hi, I've made a file that contains: mplayer file.mp3 and it is exec by a crontab. But it only plays for about 1 second and then gets turned off. Anyone know how to solve this? |
| 00:06.18 | karmatronic | minus198: maybe your mp3 file is one second long ... |
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| 00:06.32 | adrenaline | inigo, is there an easy way to instal nvidia drivers or do I have to do it the old way manually? |
| 00:06.52 | minus198 | karmatronic, nope.. I tried doing: "mplayer file.mp3" in a console. And it works fine for several seconds. :) |
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| 00:08.44 | inigo | adrenaline, I don't know, I have all intel cards |
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| 00:09.01 | minus198 | adrenaline, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new ? |
| 00:09.05 | inigo | Tramp, look at r1.22 in http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/util.c |
| 00:09.15 | inigo | Tramp, it seems pretty simple :-o |
| 00:09.24 | adrenaline | cool thanks |
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| 00:09.39 | inigo | if (Iflag && device) |
| 00:09.39 | inigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.46 | inigo | nothing more |
| 00:10.17 | inigo | may be we should open a feature request or bug in upstream |
| 00:11.54 | Tramp | inigo: from the changelog of tcpdump 4.0, released one week ago: |
| 00:11.59 | Tramp | Add -I to turn on monitor mode |
| 00:12.18 | Tramp | now I'd have to check in the manpage what it is... |
| 00:12.32 | inigo | lol |
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| 00:13.20 | inigo | http://www.tcpdump.org/tcpdump_man.html is not up to date so |
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| 00:13.28 | joaop | there is no webmin in debian ? |
| 00:13.30 | Tramp | inigo: noticed that as well ... |
| 00:14.03 | inigo | joaop, it was taken for etch I think |
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| 00:14.34 | themill | dpkg: tell joaop about webmin |
| 00:14.54 | LadyNikon | joaop: webmin is bad... |
| 00:15.05 | Tramp | inigo: oh. That's for wifi "monitor mode" of the interface. |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | i believe the term is "evil" :) |
| 00:15.11 | joaop | bad is lose time with bind configuration for example |
| 00:15.28 | LadyNikon | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:15.55 | LadyNikon | abrotman: thanks for the idea of bittorrent. I went with the cd and its installing now.. |
| 00:16.02 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:16.02 | LadyNikon | the dvd via jigdo is still rolling |
| 00:16.21 | inigo | Tramp: time to use http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=53066 and fire a feature request :) |
| 00:16.28 | LadyNikon | I drobbed the minimac of its network connect >:) |
| 00:16.32 | LadyNikon | -d |
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| 00:17.47 | joaop | somebody knows some tool to configure a bind dns server? |
| 00:19.05 | LadyNikon | joaop: the best way is to get down and dirty with the documentation. You can probably find some nice conf files on the forums |
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| 00:20.28 | beardy | joaop: Yes. $EDITOR. |
| 00:21.24 | joaop | i dont have mutch time.. will be nice if had some tool to do it |
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| 00:22.37 | beardy | !hurry |
| 00:22.37 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 00:23.01 | beardy | Learn it once, know it forever. |
| 00:23.04 | LadyNikon | beardy: HAHAHA |
| 00:23.16 | LadyNikon | ok i hate triggers.. but I have to say I like that one |
| 00:24.13 | inigo | Tramp, done: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2223028&group_id=53066&atid=469576 |
| 00:24.16 | beardy | joaop: The default configuration of most things in Debian is very good. Have the manpage ready, and take one line at a time of the config file, and I'm sure it wont take that long. |
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| 00:24.38 | beardy | joaop: They're well commented. |
| 00:24.49 | beardy | LadyNikon: It's a good one. |
| 00:25.09 | Tramp | inigo: 8) - I'll watch what happens. |
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| 00:25.31 | joaop | beardy, tks |
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| 00:28.32 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using PopTop to connect to my home VPN but I cannot access anything in 192.168.1.* |
| 00:28.48 | GhostlyDeath | It's using the network i'm connected to |
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| 00:43.06 | LadyNikon | nice debian has some stuff for biometric readers |
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| 00:44.20 | abrotman | FSVO nicwe |
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| 00:54.24 | adrenaline | Anybody know why I can't change my desktop resolution? |
| 00:54.30 | adrenaline | I have the nvidia drivers |
| 00:54.42 | adrenaline | The best I can get is 1020 x 768 |
| 00:54.51 | adrenaline | It is horrible on a 19 in screen |
| 00:55.14 | adrenaline | I took that option out of the xorg conf file but it is still there in the gui selection |
| 00:55.57 | jpinx | Is it normal to have to do aptitude update/full-upgrade several times to get the dependencies sorted out? |
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| 00:57.34 | rhodescus | jpinx: it has been known to happen |
| 00:58.03 | jpinx | rhodescus: ok - that's 3 times and still producing broken dependencies |
| 00:58.20 | rhodescus | jpinx: if they're broken then there's a problem. |
| 00:59.11 | jpinx | rhodescus: it's different ones every time I run update/full-upgrade |
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| 01:00.32 | rhodescus | jpinx: if they are downloading and installing packages then they aren't broken. |
| 01:00.44 | rhodescus | jpinx: just keep going until it is done. |
| 01:01.05 | jpinx | rhodescus: ok that's cool |
| 01:01.13 | jpinx | or until it breaks ;) |
| 01:01.21 | rhodescus | jpinx: you betcha |
| 01:01.24 | rhodescus | :) |
| 01:01.55 | rhodescus | jpinx: usually if it breaks you have a bad apt sources file. |
| 01:02.49 | jpinx | rhodescus: /apt/sources.list is ok I reckon - it's pointing at the main US server |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | /etc/apt/ |
| 01:03.32 | jpinx | abrotman: yes -- I stand corrected (again) ;) |
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| 01:07.04 | tCzern | Hi, I'd like to add studio64, which is Debian based to an existing WindowsXP configuratiton, so that I can have a Dual Boot option. Is this possible without destroying my Windows stuff? |
| 01:07.43 | jpinx | wow - did it 3 more times and the last two runs didn't show any problems :D |
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| 01:08.21 | abrotman | tCzern: ask them, not us |
| 01:08.50 | tCzern | it's based on Debian, |
| 01:09.02 | tCzern | what's the problem asking here? |
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| 01:11.03 | masrawy | I am currently looking for a full system administrator for a network we're running that can have experience with apache, firewalls, php, hypervm/openvz, hardning linux, updates, mostly all linux related issues. Will pay good pay rate by our or day, msg me if interested. |
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| 01:11.54 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 01:12.02 | lkthomas | how could I resume scp transfer after disconnected ? |
| 01:13.49 | man_in_ltop | i don't think scp supports resume, could be wrong though |
| 01:13.57 | Zharf | nope, it doesn't |
| 01:14.12 | man_in_ltop | rsync kinda has a resume-like feature :P |
| 01:14.30 | Zharf | I think sftp supports resume |
| 01:15.43 | jpinx | rsync doesn't really need a resume if it's only updating |
| 01:17.02 | dondelelcaro | rsync will resume just fine |
| 01:17.14 | dondelelcaro | just make sure you specify --partial |
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| 01:29.14 | jhamlin | I'm feel like I should know this but what is a quick way to list the full path of a file in my current directory? |
| 01:30.14 | man_in_ltop | echo $PWD/name_of_file |
| 01:30.18 | Tramp | jhamlin: man readlink, check -f. Although the problem is rather involved and not trivial |
| 01:31.52 | Facedown | how can i copy the contents of a site |
| 01:31.59 | Facedown | with a command, and into a file? |
| 01:32.40 | man_in_ltop | Facedown, you mean copy the contents of a file into another file that already exists? |
| 01:33.33 | spx2 | is readline responsible for autocompletion on commandline when I hit <tab> ? |
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| 01:34.29 | abrotman | Facedown: man wget |
| 01:35.06 | LadyNikon | hmm |
| 01:35.16 | LadyNikon | so the bootup stopped at the usb devices |
| 01:35.22 | man_in_ltop | oooh, i misread |
| 01:35.26 | man_in_ltop | "contents of a site" |
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| 01:36.02 | LadyNikon | is the lvm encrypted install a good way to go? |
| 01:36.31 | kloppe | LadyNikon: if you know what you are doing... |
| 01:36.41 | LadyNikon | nice way to put that |
| 01:36.45 | kloppe | :P |
| 01:36.53 | ceil420 | how do i get rid of desktop icons in gnome? |
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| 01:38.04 | abrotman | nautilus --no-desktop |
| 01:38.46 | ceil420 | that opened some file manager to ~/ |
| 01:38.50 | kloppe | abrotman: is that a shortcut that works for other gnome settings too? |
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| 01:39.13 | LadyNikon | hmm anyone know why the boot up would just stop at the usb settings? |
| 01:39.14 | ceil420 | (i guess nautilus is a file manager :x) |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | kloppe: uh .. depends on the setting? |
| 01:39.28 | kloppe | ceil420: browse through the settings with the configuration editor |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | ceil420: you have to do it before nautilus is launched in your gnoem session settings |
| 01:40.02 | ceil420 | -_- |
| 01:40.27 | ceil420 | why do i hear people elsewhere complaining that gnome is too dumbed down if they make it so complicated to remove desktop icons? |
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| 01:40.50 | ceil420 | kloppe, System > Appearance has no 'desktop' item |
| 01:40.52 | kloppe | ceil420: its not complicated |
| 01:40.57 | ceil420 | erm, Preferences* |
| 01:41.19 | kloppe | no, in applications / system tools / configuration editor |
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| 01:43.50 | abrotman | kloppe: that's still complicated |
| 01:44.17 | ceil420 | would i change /desktop/gnome/applications/component_viewer/exec from "nautilus %s" to "nautilus %s --no-desktop", then? |
| 01:44.30 | kloppe | hm |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | that doesn't sound right |
| 01:44.52 | ceil420 | keeps looking |
| 01:46.43 | kloppe | ceil420: its in apps > nautilus > desktop |
| 01:46.50 | kloppe | when you have the gconf-editor open |
| 01:47.21 | ceil420 | oh, thanks |
| 01:47.23 | ceil420 | \o/ |
| 01:47.47 | ceil420 | nice clean desktop ftw :) |
| 01:47.56 | kloppe | i prefer that too :) |
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| 01:48.04 | ceil420 | is there a way to enable window shading in here? |
| 01:48.10 | ceil420 | that's the only other critical thing with me :x |
| 01:48.25 | ceil420 | i can worry about the crappy right click menu later |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | actually .. i'd wager it's apps/nautilus/preferences .. there's a "Show Desktop" check box |
| 01:49.25 | ceil420 | If set to true, then Nautilus will have a feature allowing you to delete a file immediately and in-place, instead of moving it to the trash. This feature can be dangerous, so use caution. |
| 01:49.29 | ceil420 | tch, pansies |
| 01:49.31 | ceil420 | checks |
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| 01:50.16 | ceil420 | abrotman, that option would prolly work too; and with one checkbox instead of four >_> |
| 01:50.26 | kloppe | heh |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | ceil420: hey .. you just have to find the correct obscure option! |
| 01:50.54 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 01:52.18 | micols | 87.72.0.0 87.72.44.53 255.254.0.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 how do i delete this route? i tried route del 87.72.0.0 |
| 01:52.55 | ceil420 | hmm |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | and the error was? |
| 01:53.28 | ceil420 | action_double/middle/right_click_titlebar, but no upscroll/downscroll on titlebar so's i can control shade? :x |
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| 01:53.53 | ceil420 | meh, i never maximize windows anyway (and there's a button for it if i want to); double can do it |
| 01:55.06 | ceil420 | i guess gnome is bearable for now; gotta see if a near-default debian install is more stable than my bare bones + apt-get method :x |
| 01:55.11 | ceil420 | resumes idling |
| 01:55.17 | ceil420 | cheers@abrotman/kloppe |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | ceil420: you could just .. not start nautilus |
| 01:56.36 | ceil420 | meh, i've disliked gnome from the first time i saw it on an ubuntu livecd; maybe it deserves more of a chance than that anyway |
| 01:57.10 | ceil420 | and i have a system with more power than my old 1.7GHz cpu and 512mb RAM, so i don't *need* xfce/openbox/enlightenment now :p |
| 01:57.23 | LadyNikon | enlightment >.< |
| 01:57.47 | ceil420 | wotchu got against enlightenment? |
| 01:57.56 | ceil420 | e16 wm > e17 de, but still |
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| 01:59.27 | ubd | who wins the elction? |
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| 01:59.45 | ceil420 | mccain |
| 01:59.46 | ceil420 | sleep well |
| 01:59.52 | kloppe | haha |
| 01:59.59 | ceil420 | :p |
| 02:00.24 | ubd | no imean is there a place where i can see the results of election |
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| 02:00.40 | abrotman | ubd: wrong channel |
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| 02:01.20 | abrotman | ubd: try #politics |
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| 02:04.49 | ams_ | ubd: #electionday |
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| 02:11.42 | eljefe_EeePC | off-topic: anywhere to discuss the election on #freenode ? |
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| 02:12.00 | abrotman | eljefe_EeePC: #politics or #electionday |
| 02:12.16 | eljefe_EeePC | thanks |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | eljefe_EeePC: /msg alis list *election* |
| 02:13.11 | eljefe_EeePC | alis ? |
| 02:13.21 | abrotman | try it |
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| 02:14.52 | eljefe_EeePC | :) ok |
| 02:15.16 | eljefe_EeePC | neat !! |
| 02:15.24 | eljefe_EeePC | thanks abrotman !!! |
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| 02:19.37 | ubd | ok guys if obamam wins prepare to riot |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | ubd: WRONG CHANNEL |
| 02:20.15 | ams_ | ubd: you're in Turkey |
| 02:20.38 | dmoerner | it's going to be a long night of spam in here i think... |
| 02:20.41 | ubd | so what ! i am a turkish american! at least i am not muslim but atheist |
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| 02:20.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81.213.203.233] by abrotman |
| 02:20.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
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| 02:21.01 | abrotman | ubd: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:21.05 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | or try #politics |
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| 02:22.14 | LadyNikon | hmm |
| 02:22.42 | LadyNikon | abrotman: i think thats a lost cause dude. |
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| 02:24.10 | LadyNikon | well my install got past the usb section.. it was hanging on the security portion.. now its just sitting at detecting hardware |
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| 02:25.04 | abrotman | which installer did you get? |
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| 02:25.38 | LadyNikon | sorry s/install/booting |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | might need to acpi=off |
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| 02:27.33 | LadyNikon | abrotman: where would I enter that command if I am stuck at the bootup? |
| 02:27.43 | Ben_Pang | I want to compiling slony1 and got result checking for the pthreads library -lpthreads... no |
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| 02:27.51 | Ben_Pang | anything ? |
| 02:27.54 | LadyNikon | right when i select the option screen? |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | LadyNikon: grub menu |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: libc6-dev ? |
| 02:29.26 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,installed libc6-dev package |
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| 02:30.27 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,I running ./configure got "checking for the pthreads library -lpthreads... no" |
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| 02:30.53 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: apt-cache search libpthread .. get anything ? |
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| 02:31.35 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,found package "glibc-doc" |
| 02:32.21 | Ben_Pang | just one |
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| 02:32.37 | Ben_Pang | I using Debian4 etch |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | thought pthreads were dead ? |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | !pthreads |
| 02:32.59 | dpkg | pthreads are the POSIX implemention of threads. A multithreaded program has several lines of execution sharing the same address space. To learn about how to use pthreads, see http://mas.cs.umass.edu/~wagner/threads_html/tutorial.html, or install glibc-doc then check out /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc/html/chapters_34.html, which is an overview of pthreads |
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| 02:34.53 | Ben_Pang | ? |
| 02:35.01 | Ben_Pang | how can i do? |
| 02:35.49 | Ben_Pang | And error on make command "troff: fatal error: can't find macro file s" |
| 02:36.03 | Ben_Pang | also make slony1 |
| 02:36.52 | Ben_Pang | !macro |
| 02:36.54 | LadyNikon | abrotman: i tried entering acpi=off it says error 27: unrecognized command |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | LadyNikon: you have to edit the boto command line |
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| 02:38.20 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,make error "troff: fatal error: can't find macro file s" |
| 02:38.31 | LadyNikon | abrotman: i did |
| 02:38.38 | LadyNikon | i added it in as a line on its own |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | LadyNikon: sounds like you did it wrong .. |
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| 02:38.55 | LadyNikon | abrotman: i know that |
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| 02:39.07 | LadyNikon | which is why i am asking where i went wrong ;) |
| 02:39.21 | LadyNikon | is there a particular place I should add that command |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: slony is already in etch |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | LadyNikon: normally you append it to the kernel options |
| 02:41.18 | Ben_Pang | I want compiling source |
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| 02:45.34 | Ben_Pang | abrotman,"troff: fatal error: can't find macro file s", has anything? |
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| 02:47.06 | abrotman | Ben_Pang: i'd ask the author .. it's possible the stuff in etch is too old to compile it |
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| 02:47.41 | Ben_Pang | ^^ |
| 02:47.55 | ma3x | how do you kill ma3x 20283 19.3 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 00:11 41:39 [firefox-bin] <defunct> ? |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | you try to kill the PPID or reboot |
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| 02:48.46 | ma3x | huh, reboot? |
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| 02:49.11 | JordiGH | It just occurred to me.. does Debian have the autobuilders compile natively for each architecture or do they cross compile? |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | !buildd |
| 02:50.02 | dpkg | methinks buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org |
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| 02:50.13 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about zombie |
| 02:50.20 | stew | JordiGH: everything is compiled natively |
| 02:50.32 | JordiGH | stew: I see. |
| 02:50.46 | dustybin | are there any decent speech synths what sound quite good on linux? |
| 02:51.00 | uxell | I just know festival |
| 02:51.01 | dustybin | i like the idea of my computer speaking to me |
| 02:51.15 | abrotman | festival is hte only one i know of .. but it does okay |
| 02:51.36 | uxell | has a number of voices and can be quite extensively modified |
| 02:51.45 | uxell | oh, and there's mbrola I think |
| 02:52.30 | karsten | seconds festival. |
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| 02:53.06 | karsten | dustybin: Some of the better work on this sort of thing came out of CMU in the early 00s. Guy named Kevin Lenzo was working there. Actually, late 1990s. |
| 02:53.24 | karsten | dustybin: Not sure if that's come out as open source. Google's playing in the space as well. |
| 02:53.33 | dustybin | right ok |
| 02:53.57 | karsten | dustybin: If his name sounds familiar, he's one of the YAPC organizers. |
| 02:54.06 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:54.07 | karsten | If that doesn't mean anything to you: yet another perl confernece. |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:54.23 | dustybin | i tried espeak, but the voice doesnt sound too good |
| 02:58.00 | dustybin | espeak "good evening dustybin, would you mind plugging something into my port" |
| 02:58.05 | dustybin | shit wrong window |
| 02:58.43 | CompWizrd | i just want voice recognition that works even 95% in all cases |
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| 02:59.04 | CompWizrd | real time close captioning of the real world with a display embedded in a contact lens would be helpful for my deafness |
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| 03:52.14 | leftStanding | hi, i'm looking for the package that contains the header file firewire-cdev.h, is that in linux-headers-<kernel #>? |
| 03:53.25 | stew | leftStanding: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 03:55.25 | leftStanding | oh awesome stew, that helps out :) |
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| 04:03.26 | stoned | !ping |
| 04:03.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:03.27 | [-clever-]`ca | stoned: Pong! |
| 04:03.30 | clev | [stoned PING reply]: 3031milisec |
| 04:03.33 | [-clever-]`ca | [stoned PING reply]: 6031milisec |
| 04:03.37 | stoned | holy |
| 04:03.41 | stoned | ... |
| 04:04.03 | leftStanding | haha you got the news stoned? |
| 04:04.59 | stoned | no there are ping replies from other people than dpkg thats unusual and my network connection sucks balls |
| 04:05.00 | abrotman | clev: turn that off |
| 04:05.05 | abrotman | [-clever-]`ca: turn that off |
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| 04:17.32 | BubbaT | Hey does anyone know what chewmail does? |
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| 04:19.54 | Richie086 | it chews mail |
| 04:19.56 | Richie086 | :) |
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| 04:20.20 | Richie086 | chewmail is a Perl-based mail archiver. It uses Mail::Box so supports any mailbox format it does. It can filter messages into mbox's based on the message's date and other criteria. |
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| 04:35.33 | Barack | hi |
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| 04:42.11 | gothenburg | Obama is going to be the new president in USA. |
| 04:43.44 | pipeline | The lesser of two evils by a significant extent. |
| 04:43.56 | nadio | gothenburg: #politics and doh! that have been known for months. |
| 04:45.50 | BubbaT | I feel sorry for black people in America now. |
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| 04:48.43 | jpinx | it's a done deal |
| 04:48.58 | jpinx | upgrade bush->obama |
| 04:49.03 | teratoma | yes obama being elected is the worst thing for black people in america |
| 04:49.09 | teratoma | what the hell are you talkign about |
| 04:49.32 | jpinx | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:49.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | ##politics |
| 04:51.22 | jpinx | GhostlyDeath_: no thanks - it's full of nutcases and fanatics ;) |
| 04:52.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | I don't care |
| 04:52.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | take it there |
| 04:52.58 | jpinx | shuts up |
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| 04:56.01 | BubbaT | teratoma, I would tell you, but at the insistence of GhostlyDeath_ I won't talk about it. So you have to figure it out for yourself. |
| 04:56.25 | GhostlyDeath_ | =) |
| 04:57.02 | enouf | you don't feel sorry for anyone but yourself you turd ... you can't even respond to someone whom helped answer your question |
| 04:57.19 | ma3x | how can you write/insert text in .pdf document? |
| 04:57.54 | enouf | ma3x: look at pdftk ... or do you just want to add 'notes' and whatnot |
| 04:58.21 | ma3x | enouf: not only notes, but text at specific areas |
| 04:58.44 | enouf | ma3x: so, in essence "edit" |
| 04:58.50 | ma3x | yes |
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| 05:06.37 | Dewi | g'day |
| 05:06.47 | Dewi | especially the americans. congrats. |
| 05:06.58 | Dewi | the rest of the world is relieved. |
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| 05:08.03 | Cycom | hey, should I go with etch or lenny on an old G4 tibook? Will lenny give me anything important over etch right now? |
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| 05:13.20 | ReKlipz2 | is there a global "dev" package with apt that will install most / all the dev packages? |
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| 05:14.37 | stew | ReKlipz2: no, in general, it should be necessary. if there is someting you want to compile from source, "apt-get build-dep packagename" will install the libraries you need |
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| 05:15.25 | ReKlipz2 | stew, so, building the mplayer from svn snapshot, with all the goodies that debian has built in by default, build-dep mplayer will do that? |
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| 05:16.21 | stew | ReKlipz2: yes, you also might want to see if what you want to build is available from debian-multimedia: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 05:16.32 | gothenburg | "Thank you, and god bless you and let god bless the United States of America" |
| 05:16.58 | stew | gothenburg: try #defocus for social chat |
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| 05:18.39 | enouf | ReKlipz2: it depends which options you use in the ./configure as to which pkgs you'll need, but build-dep is a great start - install build-essential and maybe even devscripts pkg |
| 05:19.13 | ReKlipz2 | enouf, the mplayer ./configure script seems to include as much as it can based upon what headers it finds |
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| 05:19.51 | enouf | have you run it? If so, you'll see what things (drivers and codecs) are supported and which aren't |
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| 05:20.08 | enouf | (prior to make) |
| 05:20.20 | stew | ReKlipz2: you may find that the debian/rules script in the debian source package is disabling some things when it calls ./configure, the package from debian-multimedia will probably disable less |
| 05:21.12 | ReKlipz2 | stew: if i include the debian-multimedia in apt/sources will that overwrite the debian mplayer packages and such? which takes peferencE? |
| 05:21.59 | enouf | i pin the dmm repos higher (IIRC) |
| 05:22.42 | enouf | but i think the dmm repos would take precedence .. the pkg names (most if not all) are a bit different |
| 05:22.47 | stew | ReKlipz2: whichever has a greater version, which would probably be debian-multimedia. "apt-cache policy mplayer" would tell you |
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| 05:23.33 | ReKlipz2 | enouf: which mirror do you find best? |
| 05:24.48 | enouf | ReKlipz2: last time i built from mplayer svn i ended up giving up - i had some very specific options i wanted - after playing for days to get it just right it kept failing about an hour into the build - hope you have better luck |
| 05:25.00 | enouf | (this was a few months ago) |
| 05:25.25 | ReKlipz2 | enouf: i've got the svn snap to build, just it didnt put in all the features i needed as i didnt have the headers |
| 05:25.37 | enouf | ReKlipz2: do you mean mirror as in dmm vs official? |
| 05:26.17 | ReKlipz2 | enouf: i mean which mirror do you use for dmm? |
| 05:26.22 | enouf | ReKlipz2: right - the configure is good that way for the most part - so yes, for most it should build fine |
| 05:26.43 | enouf | ReKlipz2: oh .. i forget - anyone that works ;-) |
| 05:27.41 | enouf | i just pick randomly most times .. and if it works, it stays ;-) |
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| 05:31.13 | enderxim | I'm having trouble with a particular mp3 player not recognizing my sound device. It's mp3blaster, and every other app I use finds it just fine. I've used that as my player for over a year, with never any trouble. Now it suddenly can't find it. Can anyone shed some light on this? |
| 05:35.32 | enouf | enderxim: are you? ==> <ashlarxim> Anyone have any idea why a certain mp3 player would tell me it can't find my sound device <== from OFTC.net #debian |
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| 05:36.22 | enouf | enderxim: do not pm me |
| 05:36.35 | enouf | i (and another) answered you over there ... |
| 05:37.07 | enderxim | enouf: really?? i must have gotten disconnected, i didn't get anything from anyone. sorry about that, i'm not too used to irc. |
| 05:37.49 | enouf | you;re still connected over there, your nick is still online there |
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| 05:38.22 | enderxim | enouf: hrmm.. uh oh. i'll go fix it |
| 05:39.15 | enouf | enderxim: i suck - nm |
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| 05:41.40 | enouf | enderxim: well - forget over there for now (i had mistabbed and brainfarted) Someone said to you " does it want oss emulation, and the module is not loaded?" and i mentioned |
| 05:41.47 | enouf | " i thought of that too - but i noticed there's this thing in the pkg called "nmixer" - perhaps read that man page astraljava and see if there's something in it's controls/preferences, or in one of it's config files" |
| 05:41.57 | enouf | see - wrong nick |
| 05:45.13 | enderxim | enouf: i'll check that out, i did recently reinstall debian but i always kept everything up to date, and there hasn't been a new version release of that program in quite awhile. i dunno what could have changed with my system. |
| 05:46.14 | enouf | enderxim: a reinstall will do about as many changes as you could possibly do in one shot |
| 05:46.26 | enouf | it's the epitome of change |
| 05:47.23 | enderxim | heh i do that kinda often, never run into this problem before. i'll see what i can do i guess. |
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| 05:57.27 | adrenaline | Can anybody here help me with screen resolution on Debian? I have googled seen a lot of people with the same prob but can't find a fix |
| 05:58.05 | adrenaline | I can't change the screen res It will only give me 1024x768 even after I took that option out of xorg.cong |
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| 06:01.37 | enouf | adrenaline: install libgl1-mesa-dri and mesa-utils might do it |
| 06:02.07 | enouf | adrenaline: lspci -nn | grep VGA says? |
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| 06:04.53 | adrenaline | NV40 GeForce 6800 |
| 06:05.12 | enouf | no it doesn't |
| 06:05.23 | adrenaline | It does but it says more too |
| 06:05.30 | enouf | i know |
| 06:05.32 | adrenaline | I am just not irc'ing on that box |
| 06:05.41 | adrenaline | What specific are you looking for? |
| 06:05.49 | enouf | adrenaline: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'vesa|intel|nv|ati|radeon' |
| 06:06.14 | enouf | add nvidia |
| 06:06.16 | adrenaline | I am using the nvidia driver |
| 06:06.18 | adrenaline | it is |
| 06:06.20 | enouf | ... |
| 06:06.30 | adrenaline | I even get the splash screen when I boot |
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| 06:07.28 | enouf | then ask #nvidia |
| 06:07.28 | BARACK_OBAMA | PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: JOHN MCCAIN |
| 06:07.28 | BARACK_OBAMA | LOL |
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| 06:11.16 | sandman | If one uses SELinux, doesn't it effectively "jail" applications? |
| 06:12.05 | sandman | And in that case, is it still useful to use Linux VServer/Xen/KVM/etc? |
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| 06:24.59 | sammcd | apt-get install mysql gives me nothing? Does it go by a different name? |
| 06:26.40 | BARACK_OBAMA | apt-get install barack-obama |
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| 06:29.41 | sammcd | :( |
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| 06:30.41 | SlackDeb | saluda |
| 06:31.02 | sammcd | ahh its mysql-server |
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| 06:46.05 | jrockway | morning |
| 06:46.19 | jrockway | anyone know how to pair with a bluetooth keyboard without needing bluetooth-applet? |
| 06:46.40 | jrockway | a hard-coded PIN somewhere would be fine |
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| 07:03.42 | dustybin | ive logged into mysql as root, im trying to drop a database, but keep in getting this message: Ignoring query to other database |
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| 07:29.23 | dooglus | how can I change the keyboard layout in virtual terminals? |
| 07:29.54 | dooglus | it's fine in GNOME, but in the Ctrl-Alt-F1 text screen it's all european |
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| 07:32.19 | jelly-home | dooglus: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 07:33.00 | ronron_ | dpkg -reconfigure console-data no ? |
| 07:33.02 | dpkg | ronron_: are you using Windows? |
| 07:33.17 | ronron_ | yes |
| 07:33.39 | ronron_ | Arf it is a robot :) |
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| 07:39.20 | Coke | Hi guys. I have a script in /etc/cron.daily called 03-remove_backups, it's a Python script starting with #!/usr/bin/python, but it's not being executed (or it is and fails). I can run it without problem as root, is there a log from cron that can reveal why cron does not run it? |
| 07:39.53 | ham5 | cron logs to your system logs |
| 07:41.46 | Coke | syslog.0:Nov 4 23:00:02 hendrix /USR/SBIN/CRON[12667]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )) |
| 07:41.50 | Coke | That doesn't help me at all. |
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| 07:47.12 | Coke | Any way to configure cron to be more specific as to why it doesn't run a particular script in /etc/cron.daily ? |
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| 07:50.15 | trumpen_ | Coke, remove _ from the name of the script |
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| 07:50.36 | Coke | trumpen_: really? :) |
| 07:51.18 | Coke | actually, all the name has are hyphen - |
| 07:51.29 | Coke | And I have two other scripts that execute fine with those in the name. |
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| 07:52.16 | trumpen_ | Coke, didn't you say its name was 03-remove_backups? |
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| 07:54.10 | ham5 | but he also said he ment 03-remove-backups |
| 07:54.11 | dooglus | jelly-home: thanks |
| 07:54.34 | dooglus | another question I had: is it possible to get dual head output from my SiS650 graphics? |
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| 07:57.34 | ham5 | yes? |
| 07:57.44 | dooglus | Coke: are you allowed _ in the filenames? |
| 07:58.03 | Coke | dooglus: don't know. |
| 07:58.07 | Coke | dooglus: I don't see why not. |
| 07:58.25 | Coke | in any case, I don't have any underscores in my filenames, only hyphens |
| 07:58.31 | Coke | And they work well in all other cases. |
| 07:58.32 | dooglus | Coke: I don't think it runs any script with a _ in its name |
| 07:58.37 | Coke | dooglus: why not? |
| 07:58.53 | Coke | Because stupid rules are in and sanity is out? |
| 07:58.54 | dooglus | Coke: because that's the way it's coded |
| 07:59.01 | Coke | Then I would file a bug |
| 07:59.13 | Coke | It's irrelevant to my case anyhow. |
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| 08:00.33 | Tapout | Weird, onboard ethernet not being detected. Bios has it enabled. I have: NVIDIA Gigabit LAN with NVIDIA ActiveArmor Firewall ... |
| 08:00.43 | Tapout | Asus A8N-VM CSM motherboard |
| 08:00.52 | Coke | Tapout: what is "ActiveArmor Firewall" ? |
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| 08:00.57 | Coke | Hardware firewall? |
| 08:01.03 | Coke | Builtin to the NIC? |
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| 08:01.41 | trumpen_ | Coke, run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily will tell you which scripts it'll execute (unfortunately it doesn't say why it discards the others) |
| 08:01.43 | dooglus | Coke: the manpage for run-parts quite clearly states that "[the filename] must belong to one or more of the following namespaces: the LANANA-assigned namespace (^[a-z0-9]+$); the LSB hierarchical and reserved namespaces (^_?([a-z0-9_.]+-)+[a-z0-9]+$); and the Debian cron script namespace (^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9-]*$)." |
| 08:02.04 | Tapout | Coke, it's built in Nic.. that's what I cut/pasted out of their specs |
| 08:02.10 | Coke | dooglus: "clearly"? |
| 08:02.12 | Coke | :) |
| 08:02.14 | dooglus | lol |
| 08:02.29 | Coke | dooglus: in any case, I _would_ file a bug, that's just plain stupid |
| 08:02.41 | dooglus | Coke: if you didn't know to read the 'run-parts' man page when you have a query about cron then - well, what can I say? ;) |
| 08:03.01 | Coke | dooglus: No, I meant that they are using regular expression to describe something "clearly" |
| 08:03.04 | Coke | How counter productive. |
| 08:03.21 | Coke | It's like, "let me explain why the sky is blue in simpler terms using quantum mechanics" |
| 08:03.45 | dooglus | Coke: my use of the word "clearly" was just to provoke you. sorry. |
| 08:04.01 | Coke | dooglus: got me good. |
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| 08:04.31 | dooglus | why is the sky blue anyway? seems like an odd choice, being at neither end of the visible spectrum |
| 08:05.00 | Coke | Well, the atmosphere absorbs the other parts of the spectrum, reflecting mostly just blue |
| 08:05.02 | Jabka | Where should i post bug that are in experimental ? (KDE4) |
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| 08:05.22 | Jabka | to the kde ML or debian BTS ? |
| 08:05.24 | Tapout | Coke, any suggestion on how to get this friggen nic detected? |
| 08:05.38 | Coke | Tapout: hm, it would help if we had the chipset name instead of the product name |
| 08:05.49 | dooglus | Coke: but what's special about the sky-blue color that the atmosphere doesn't absorb it? |
| 08:05.52 | Coke | Tapout: my buess is, as with most NEW nvidia hardware, that only the proprietary drivers work |
| 08:06.15 | Coke | dooglus: the same thing that makes green paint special by only absorbing non-greens |
| 08:06.33 | Coke | dooglus: matter is like that, it selects what photons will bounce off it :) |
| 08:07.03 | dooglus | Coke: and nitrogen is blue? |
| 08:07.44 | Coke | dooglus: occationally, for the most part photons go right through it, which is why it's translucent |
| 08:08.54 | Coke | What does _ mean in regexp? |
| 08:09.04 | dooglus | Coke: it means '_' |
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| 08:09.14 | Coke | (^_?([a-z0-9_.]+-) |
| 08:09.16 | dooglus | Coke: it the same way that g means 'g' |
| 08:09.21 | Coke | Does that mean "_" is included as a char? |
| 08:09.30 | dooglus | Coke: maybe. |
| 08:10.31 | Coke | dooglus: "maybe"? It's uncertain. So now YOU are suggesting that quantum mechanics is needed to explain regexps. |
| 08:10.56 | dooglus | Coke: no, it's certain. and your "03-remove_backups" name does seem to match that regexp doesn't it |
| 08:11.00 | Coke | It's true what they say "if you think you understand regular expressions you don't" |
| 08:11.09 | Coke | dooglus: it's named 03-remove-backups |
| 08:11.23 | Coke | actually, it's even named 03-clean-backups.py |
| 08:11.29 | Coke | I'm thinking the dot is the problem. |
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| 08:11.31 | dooglus | oh, well that's it then! |
| 08:11.39 | dooglus | you've got a DOT in your script name??? |
| 08:11.43 | dooglus | oh my goodness |
| 08:12.13 | Coke | Yes yes, I should have known that the great scheduler of UNIX systems does not handle names with dots in them. |
| 08:12.20 | dooglus | heh |
| 08:12.30 | Coke | It makes so much sense that it almost feels like a Windows feature. |
| 08:12.40 | dooglus | i was frustrated by this exact same thing a few years back too |
| 08:12.41 | litwol|mac | LOL |
| 08:13.00 | dooglus | now I justy stick to very plain filenames for cron scripts |
| 08:13.08 | Coke | Sometimes I think UNIX programmers think that they need to complicate things. |
| 08:13.50 | Coke | "Steve! Let's make it silently break if they use dots in the filename." |
| 08:14.28 | dooglus | Coke: I just made a test directory with 4 'scripts': $ ls /tmp/foo |
| 08:14.28 | dooglus | a_b a-b a_b.c a-b.c |
| 08:14.29 | Coke | "Why? Dots are a perfectly fine part of any filename. In fact, they are nice to have because the suffix indicates the type of content" |
| 08:14.51 | dooglus | only 2 are 'acceptable' - the two without dots |
| 08:14.56 | Coke | "No, Steve! It's too easy! If we don't make up bullshit rules nobody will have to read the man page I spent 30 minutes writing." |
| 08:15.23 | litwol|mac | giggles |
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| 08:16.01 | dooglus | Coke: how's this for a simple, plain-text description: |
| 08:16.02 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.02 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.02 | dooglus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.06 | Coke | For authors of run-parts, neither of which seem to have addressed this issue. |
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| 08:16.29 | Coke | oh noes, flood |
| 08:16.53 | jelly-home | dooglus: exactly his point |
| 08:16.55 | dooglus | I paste 3 lines. I thought that was ok? |
| 08:17.13 | dooglus | !paste |
| 08:17.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:17.21 | Coke | hehe, 2 |
| 08:17.22 | dooglus | aah, they changed the rules... :) |
| 08:17.45 | Coke | dooglus: so rules CAN be changed... interresting. |
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| 08:18.04 | simonrvn | /kick dooglus |
| 08:18.05 | jelly-home | Coke: however, clearly you don't understand the need for backwards compatibility with some 20 year old unix run-parts was reimplemented from? |
| 08:18.21 | Coke | jelly-home: no, I really don't understand that need. |
| 08:18.58 | simonrvn | then you're too young :P |
| 08:19.05 | Coke | simonrvn: and too rational. |
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| 08:19.36 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 08:19.42 | jelly-home | nah, rationals tend to avoid ranting and whining in places where noone can help |
| 08:19.57 | Coke | jelly-home: I'm also a comic |
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| 08:20.14 | jelly-home | throws a quarter |
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| 08:20.23 | pif | hi, I'm not using gnome as desktop but openbox, how come gnome-power-manager is started? |
| 08:20.36 | simonrvn | every wednesday at 3:30 -0500 UTC |
| 08:20.42 | pif | what package could possibly start it? |
| 08:20.56 | simonrvn | openbox isn't a desktop |
| 08:21.04 | pif | okay |
| 08:21.31 | pif | t's crossed and i's dotted, my question? |
| 08:21.59 | Coke | pif: does gnome-session start? |
| 08:22.24 | pif | nope, no other *gnome* in the processes |
| 08:22.34 | pif | I use xdm |
| 08:22.37 | Coke | I manage my own X sessions using the .xsession file |
| 08:22.50 | pif | ditto |
| 08:22.57 | Coke | pif: then remove it from your .xsession file |
| 08:23.06 | simonrvn | pif: how are you starting openbox, and what's in /etc/xdg/whateveropenboxuses |
| 08:23.16 | simonrvn | nm |
| 08:23.28 | pif | "exec openbox" at the end of my .xession |
| 08:23.36 | pif | checking |
| 08:23.46 | Coke | I never managed to wrap my head around the many, many incarnations of X session managers, the best and simplest way is still that nifty little file. |
| 08:24.03 | simonrvn | !.xsession++ |
| 08:24.23 | Coke | !.xsession |
| 08:24.24 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 08:24.40 | simonrvn | i have mine set up so i can choose a wm, session manager, whatever by switching stuff on/off |
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| 08:25.11 | simonrvn | i should do it via bit fields and be l33t :P |
| 08:26.19 | Coke | simonrvn: I thought leet was out and Ubuntu was in? |
| 08:26.23 | Coke | hides behind a crate |
| 08:26.34 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:26.42 | pif | apparently gnome-settings-daemon is launched from /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart |
| 08:26.58 | simonrvn | that would be your culprit |
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| 08:27.25 | Coke | I tried Gnome on a workstation here, it took several days to sanitize it. |
| 08:28.14 | Coke | pif: is openbox any nice? |
| 08:28.23 | pif | i love it |
| 08:28.27 | simonrvn | is using it atm |
| 08:28.48 | pif | after trying many, many environments |
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| 08:29.10 | Coke | pif: I'm on IceWM now simply because I don't use any menus or icons. |
| 08:29.28 | Coke | I would go with ratpoison, but unfortunately, it doesn't handle dialogs and popups in many applications that well |
| 08:29.45 | pif | I used icewm before openbox, like it pretty much, but openbox is better |
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| 08:30.56 | pif | with root-tail to display log files from various servers on my background, it's optimal |
| 08:31.16 | pif | with custom colors |
| 08:31.20 | amine | hey, I need help securing my files in /srv/ from users.. the problem is that there is a mix of files there that require apache/subversion to require access and I don't know how to proceed |
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| 08:33.18 | simonrvn | users/groups, acls, to start |
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| 08:33.39 | amine | What is acls? |
| 08:34.11 | pif | what is dbus-daemon for ? |
| 08:34.33 | simonrvn | !acl |
| 08:34.34 | dpkg | hmm... acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 08:34.40 | enouf | !IPC |
| 08:34.40 | dpkg | somebody said ipc was Interprocess Communication, for which System V provides an implementation (whose message queues really suck, use UNIX sockets in SOCK_DGRAM mode instead for that); this is typically called System V IPC. It provides message queues, shared memory, and semaphores. |
| 08:34.40 | Coke | pif: it's something for the hal? |
| 08:34.57 | amine | pif: dbus lets applications talk to each other, it's good/safe |
| 08:35.03 | pif | ok |
| 08:35.28 | pif | and avahi-daemon ? |
| 08:35.34 | enouf | sucks ass |
| 08:35.35 | Coke | pif: audio daemon |
| 08:35.39 | enouf | kill it |
| 08:35.40 | Coke | pif: like pulse or whatever |
| 08:35.41 | pif | oh |
| 08:35.43 | enouf | no coke |
| 08:35.48 | Coke | what is it then? |
| 08:35.50 | enouf | !avahi |
| 08:35.50 | dpkg | well, avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
| 08:35.55 | simonrvn | zeroconf implementation for linux |
| 08:35.59 | Coke | that's odd |
| 08:36.03 | jelly-home | Coke: it's similarly useless, though |
| 08:36.05 | enouf | bonjour for b0z0s |
| 08:36.16 | Coke | wtf |
| 08:36.28 | enouf | read a friggin man page :-P |
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| 08:36.37 | Coke | enouf: no |
| 08:36.37 | pif | it's a gnome dependency |
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| 08:36.42 | Coke | enouf: if I don't recognize the process name it dies |
| 08:36.45 | enouf | kill it |
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| 08:37.11 | enouf | Coke: like kthread means kde has run amuck? |
| 08:37.17 | enouf | :-p |
| 08:37.21 | jelly-home | Coke: remember to remove its remains from /etc/nsswitch.conf, too (all the mdns bits) |
| 08:37.21 | Coke | enouf: reading man pages is for cowards, I just do a kill -KILL |
| 08:37.43 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
| 08:38.07 | Coke | enouf: yeah, I hate those kernel processes, now I have to be careful |
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| 08:38.57 | enouf | i used to get a kick out dirmgr .. heh |
| 08:39.05 | enouf | +of |
| 08:39.14 | enouf | or is it mngr |
| 08:39.19 | Coke | What does it do? |
| 08:39.29 | enouf | certificate lists |
| 08:39.36 | Coke | Oh, wait... I know. "rtfm!" |
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| 08:40.09 | Coke | Why do all the desktop systems assume you want more than just a desktop? |
| 08:40.32 | Coke | Like config management, network resource location, audio servers and even new filesystems? |
| 08:40.37 | enouf | DE == Bloated Behemoth |
| 08:40.54 | Coke | de = desktop environment? |
| 08:41.01 | enouf | indeed |
| 08:41.24 | jelly-home | de = Germany |
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| 08:41.29 | Coke | But what's the point? |
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| 08:41.41 | enouf | nein, GDR = Germany! |
| 08:41.53 | jelly-home | enouf: um, GDR is a bit dead |
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| 08:42.13 | enouf | spanks those fairies at the Olympics |
| 08:42.24 | Coke | I mean, almost every new feature in Debian (and any GNU system) is already implemented using the old way, i.e making use of some cli utility executed using the rc scripts, configs in etc |
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| 08:43.19 | Coke | My friend had massive problems making is Gnome environment on his laptop use the default Debian network manager. |
| 08:43.40 | enouf | users suck |
| 08:43.53 | Coke | Yes, he asked me, I told him to change in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:44.18 | pif | the worst is 'family' users |
| 08:44.37 | Coke | pif: naw. |
| 08:44.46 | liable | i just kill them and stuff em in the freezer |
| 08:44.49 | Coke | pif: I installed Debian for my mom probably 10 years ago, she loves it. |
| 08:45.17 | dizel | Hi. What way is easier to build package for new version of software present in debian? Thanks |
| 08:46.10 | Coke | dizel: upstream might provide newer packages for download or their own repository |
| 08:46.12 | enouf | backport |
| 08:46.57 | Coke | dizel: are you on stable now? |
| 08:47.32 | dizel | lenny |
| 08:47.49 | enouf | !tell dizel -about ssb |
| 08:48.03 | Coke | Hm, I don't know the names, it was 8-10 years since I last cared about my OS in that detail. :) |
| 08:48.49 | Coke | People keep telling me "oh, you gotta try this dist, better package manager" or "it's built on debian", but I still just shove in Debian into every machine I get my hands on. It works and it's clean. |
| 08:49.14 | Lagbolt | Pepsi is better :) |
| 08:49.32 | tarzeau | Lagbolt: http://pepsi.istheshit.net/ |
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| 08:49.43 | Coke | It's like the wife you think is getting uglier with age, but you're too comfortable and already have too much invested in it for a divorce. |
| 08:49.46 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 08:49.46 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 08:50.01 | amine | Do you guys recommend I run svn/apache as the same user so that I can secure /srv/? |
| 08:50.14 | amine | I don't know the consequences of switching apache to user 'svn' instead of 'www-data' |
| 08:51.31 | Coke | amine: unless you are restricted in your choice, may I suggest Bazaar as revision system. It's totally directory based and works well with FTP so you can utilize the authorization and security found in most FTP daemons. |
| 08:51.57 | amine | or I can use svn and utilize the security of SSH :P |
| 08:52.04 | amine | I'd agree with you if I wasn't using SVN over SSH |
| 08:52.07 | amine | Thanks though :) |
| 08:52.20 | Coke | amine: Bazaar works fine using ssl sockets |
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| 08:52.50 | Coke | amine: and you don't have to compromise system accounts by using system users. |
| 08:53.08 | Coke | amine: in any case, I made the switched after asking question about SVN and getting info on Bazaar in return, so... :) |
| 08:53.19 | amine | I don't use system users, I use 1 svn user and add keys to the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and I can restrict each key to a project :) |
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| 08:53.57 | adrenaline | I installed debian with a net install cd and now I need to install it when I do any pakage installs using apt-get and it won't let me update because of a gpg error did I miss a step during installation? |
| 08:54.18 | Coke | amine: well, using FTP with Bazaar gives you control over security for every file and directory individually, if you'd like that. |
| 08:54.22 | enouf | error says? |
| 08:54.59 | amine | Coke: to be honest, I haven't gotten an ftp server up successfully as of yet |
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| 08:55.05 | amine | Coke: or an email server.. :-/ |
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| 08:55.42 | adrenaline | error says unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:56.12 | enouf | !gpgv |
| 08:56.12 | dpkg | well, unknown error executing gpgv is what you will see from apt-get update if your clock is really wrong. Set it to approximately the right time using date -s "current time" (ask me about <date> for the current time if you don't know it!) and then apt-get update. Ask me about <ntp> for a better, more permanent solution. |
| 08:56.21 | Coke | amine: oh. |
| 08:56.25 | adrenaline | cool thanks |
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| 08:57.31 | Coke | amine: well, I'm not trying to sell you Bazaar because I get anything for it, I'm just saying it has a cleaner API, more practical CLI, better way of remote access (any remote filesystem using almost any protocol is acceptable) AND the thing that got me to switch: easy way of merging branches. |
| 08:58.39 | amine | thanks :) |
| 08:58.55 | enouf | real men use git |
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| 08:59.22 | Coke | amine: as for ftp and email, the default ftp is OK, but for better security Debian has a dozen good implemenations. For email, use exim4. |
| 08:59.37 | adrenaline | enouf, thanks that worked |
| 08:59.51 | enouf | adrenaline: np ;-) |
| 09:00.00 | enouf | !fmd |
| 09:00.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, fmd is Floruecent Multilayer Disc |
| 09:00.07 | enouf | hehe |
| 09:00.17 | enouf | !ftpmustdie |
| 09:00.17 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 09:00.44 | adrenaline | enouf, do I need to do anything to or about repo's on a clean install? |
| 09:01.11 | enouf | adrenaline: well you want a security entry in sources.list |
| 09:01.15 | adrenaline | When I try and install a package it wants me to put in my install cd to retrieve the pkg |
| 09:01.22 | Coke | enouf: yes, FTP is a retarded protocol |
| 09:01.24 | enouf | !security |
| 09:01.25 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 09:01.38 | enouf | comment out the CDROM line adrenaline |
| 09:01.44 | adrenaline | ok cool |
| 09:01.56 | enouf | adrenaline: then apt-get update |
| 09:02.03 | k4z | Hi, I have problem with sasl: in main.cf i have smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes and smtpd_sasl2_auth_enable = yes, in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf i have mech_list: plain login, my saslauthd is running: /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -n 5, but when i connect to my localhost 25, i cant see 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN... |
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| 09:03.07 | enouf | !drec k4z: |
| 09:03.08 | dpkg | k4z:: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 09:03.19 | enouf | perhaps to enable port 25? |
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| 09:03.51 | k4z | enouf: my 25 port is open :) |
| 09:04.12 | k4z | dpkg: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
| 09:04.13 | dpkg | that's too long, k4z |
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| 09:04.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | is telling him to reconfigure exim going to help his posfix problem? |
| 09:05.10 | atc- | Anyone know of a command line XMPP client? Searching Google is a minefield. |
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| 09:05.17 | liable | in a *very* round about way ;) |
| 09:05.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | :p |
| 09:06.22 | fengor_ | atc-: want about sendxmpp |
| 09:06.52 | Coke | Are there any tools that work like latex, but doesn't involve overly complicated code? Something like making "wiki data" into HTML or PDF. |
| 09:06.54 | atc- | fengor_, never heard of it. |
| 09:07.04 | atc- | fengor_, I'm thinking of something ncurses based perhaps. |
| 09:07.09 | atc- | fengor_, I'd like a persistent connection |
| 09:07.23 | atc- | fengor_, I'll search for sendxmpp, thanks. |
| 09:07.42 | fengor_ | dunno i havend heard of it either but apt-cache search xmpp commandline told me of it |
| 09:08.01 | atc- | fengor_, my apt-cache searches didn't come up with much |
| 09:08.10 | Coke | What's the usual wiki syntax called anyway? |
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| 09:08.35 | fengor_ | always remember to update aptitude beforehand |
| 09:09.27 | adrenaline | Gotta go C ya later enouf |
| 09:10.15 | enouf | k4z: my bad, i missed the postfix file there - how about look at /etc/pam.d/* files, common-auth, and others |
| 09:10.46 | enouf | ok |
| 09:11.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, 'the usual'? for which wiki? |
| 09:11.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, 'markup'? |
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| 09:12.09 | enouf | Coke: docbook / dwww / man2html ? |
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| 09:12.41 | amine | hey |
| 09:12.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, stx2any? |
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| 09:13.31 | k4z | enouf: auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure (coomon-auth) |
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| 09:13.43 | amine | If I got /srv/repos/* and /srv/websites/*, and I do chmod og-wrx (non-recursive) to the repos or websites directory.. this means that only the user can access it (and it also applies to whatever is under it), right? |
| 09:13.45 | Coke | Kamping_Kaiser: yeh, some sort of markup wikis commonly use. don't remember what they called it. |
| 09:14.08 | amine | owner* |
| 09:14.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | amine, why not just chmod 700? |
| 09:14.52 | amine | well, same thing.. |
| 09:15.07 | amine | I prefer using og-rwx as I understand it better than the numbers |
| 09:15.07 | amine | :P |
| 09:16.02 | Coke | ahh, wiki creole |
| 09:16.18 | enouf | !gumbo |
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| 09:17.59 | Coke | enouf: is gumbo similar to creole? |
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| 09:18.50 | enouf | who know, like you with man pages, i just devour everything in site |
| 09:18.57 | DexterF | hi |
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| 09:20.17 | Coke | enouf: ah, but I found it, creole is exactly what I meant |
| 09:20.34 | Coke | a group of folks who collected common features of wiki data and made it into a usable spec. |
| 09:20.38 | enouf | mighty rad |
| 09:20.59 | Coke | AND they have a nice Python implementation I can use in my makefile |
| 09:21.17 | enouf | sends Coke some jerked chicken |
| 09:21.36 | liable | o_0 |
| 09:22.03 | liable | tries not to picture enouf jerking the chicken |
| 09:22.38 | Coke | enouf: thank you, it will be appreciated at a later hour |
| 09:22.39 | enouf | don't hold me liable ! |
| 09:22.57 | enouf | </seldom pun> |
| 09:22.58 | troubled | liable: of all the replies to walk in on.... |
| 09:23.12 | robyonrails | did anyone get to install the flash player for iceweasel/opera in debian etch ??? |
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| 09:29.38 | ^shark_ | i have made some changes to syslog.conf and i would like syslogd to be aware of the changes |
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| 09:30.28 | ^shark_ | i have read somewhere that i have to killall -1 syslogd but this gives me this error >> syslogd: no process killed |
| 09:30.36 | ^shark_ | i am running etch |
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| 09:33.33 | liable | restart it from its init script |
| 09:33.41 | liable | i think we use rsyslog now? |
| 09:34.39 | ^shark_ | liable: there is no script in init.d for syslog |
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| 09:34.55 | troubled | ya, some new syslog iirc for lenny |
| 09:35.04 | ^shark_ | i have tried using >> /etc/init.d/syslog .. but there is nothing in there |
| 09:35.24 | stevil | hi, i'm looking for a IP failover functionality and i'm doubt if i shoudl use VRRPD or UCARP anyone that can recommend me one? |
| 09:35.31 | troubled | syslogd was weak with only udp support. Im guessing the new one is sane with tcp loggin now |
| 09:35.57 | troubled | !heartbeat |
| 09:35.58 | joltcan | rsyslog seems nice. A bit easier to config than syslog-ng as well |
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| 09:36.28 | troubled | im surprised syslog-ng wasn't picked |
| 09:38.24 | ^shark_ | troubled: so upgrading to lenny will also upgrade to rsyslog |
| 09:38.55 | troubled | i guess it might depend on which program you use to upgrade no? |
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| 09:39.10 | troubled | unless they removed syslogd from lenny, an upgrade should keep what ya got |
| 09:39.21 | amine | How do I list all users on the system |
| 09:39.25 | troubled | although, aptitude may prefer rsyslog instead |
| 09:39.32 | mquin | amine: getent passwd |
| 09:39.36 | DexterF | lenny/kde/adept question. I'm about to migrate n user to linux, need german i18n so kubuntu is out of question. now - I can't give this guy aptitude. adept is called or. in etch adept borked when it came to packages that ask questions, it wouldn't show me the ncurses dialogs for example when it told me about the modules/reboot after installing a new image. how's the situation here in lenny? |
| 09:39.45 | joltcan | troubled: probably because of the configuration file :) |
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| 09:40.05 | amine | mquin: thanks |
| 09:40.05 | mquin | amine: or "who", if you mean logged-in users |
| 09:40.06 | troubled | joltcan: ? rsyslog exactly the same or something? havent tried it yet |
| 09:40.08 | hanibana | hi |
| 09:40.24 | amine | mquin: nah, I got /home/ftp present and I don't have an ftp server :P |
| 09:40.25 | troubled | I don't touch any debian testing very much until it goes stable for a while |
| 09:40.52 | hanibana | pppoeconf hangs on 100% when scanning my eth1 interface.... |
| 09:40.54 | joltcan | troubled: It got the features of syslog-ng but with a saner config file. Maybe even some additional features IIRC |
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| 09:41.15 | hanibana | why?! |
| 09:41.22 | troubled | joltcan: tcp based remote reception then too I take it? |
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| 09:41.37 | joltcan | troubled: Yeah, and SSL/TLS |
| 09:41.46 | troubled | tbh, i didnt mind the syslog-ng config the last time I tried it. reminds me of pidentd vs openbsd-inetd |
| 09:41.56 | hanibana | any idea... |
| 09:42.03 | joltcan | troubled: and db-backends |
| 09:42.08 | troubled | hmm cool. not sure if ng had ssl/tls though, but definetly an improvement |
| 09:42.15 | troubled | ooh, that i like :) |
| 09:42.22 | troubled | ldap/mysql/pgsql/et al? |
| 09:42.38 | troubled | oops, and files too I would imagine :) |
| 09:42.50 | troubled | resolv.conf by chance? |
| 09:42.56 | ^shark_ | now how does one restart syslogd in etch |
| 09:43.10 | joltcan | ^shark_: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 09:43.14 | troubled | ^shark_: anything is done via: /etc/init.d/<pkgname> restart |
| 09:43.19 | mac123 | HI i have 2NICs on my mother board both are connected to 100Mb/s links but the traffic i |
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| 09:43.36 | mac123 | passes thru only 1st NIC |
| 09:43.42 | joltcan | troubled: At least I know it has mysql, haven't looked further |
| 09:43.43 | troubled | mac123: as it should :) |
| 09:44.10 | troubled | joltcan: not sure I like depending on mysql for system logs, but fine :) |
| 09:44.28 | troubled | sqlite or something would be a much smarter choice |
| 09:44.38 | joltcan | mac123: what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward give you? |
| 09:44.51 | erawfish | joltcan: I doubt he wants to route |
| 09:45.04 | troubled | i think he was hear before looking to bind 2 nics togethere for throughput |
| 09:45.05 | erawfish | mac123: you need to tel us what you want to do with those 2 NICs |
| 09:45.10 | troubled | here* |
| 09:45.15 | erawfish | mac123: /msg dpkg bonding |
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| 09:45.17 | mac123 | @ its joltcan 0 |
| 09:45.39 | mac123 | i want to have 2 x100 Mb |
| 09:45.41 | joltcan | mac123: erawfish has a point, what do you want to do with your nics? |
| 09:46.00 | troubled | mac123: you need another machine on the receiving end to have bonding pair of nics as well |
| 09:46.18 | troubled | or the best you can do is round robin (distributed) routing tables |
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| 09:46.31 | troubled | but one stream will only ever go out 1 nic in that case |
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| 09:46.40 | sinizzl | hi |
| 09:46.50 | mac123 | i want to use them individually i have also assigned them separate ips |
| 09:46.52 | sinizzl | i just installed the *.debs for openoffice.org 3.0 on etch but i cannot seem to find those binaries to launch it? |
| 09:47.06 | erawfish | mac123: multipath routing then |
| 09:47.10 | tarzeau | sinizzl: in /opt/open* maybe? |
| 09:47.19 | tarzeau | sinizzl: otherwise dpkg -L installed-pkg |
| 09:47.23 | troubled | mac123: one of them is just the default route then. you should already be able to use both no? |
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| 09:47.38 | sinizzl | tarzeau: i found some files in those directories but not exactly the binaries that allow me to launch it |
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| 09:47.53 | tarzeau | sinizzl: program/soffice |
| 09:47.55 | sinizzl | tarzeau: gang zrugg ad eth! |
| 09:48.01 | brokep | hey. I have a weird problem -- getting "Module is wrong version" from ipvsadm after a apt-get install ipvsadm on a clean box. |
| 09:48.01 | mac123 | i did ifconfig only 1st nic is being used |
| 09:48.18 | sinizzl | tarzeau: programs/office? you're talking about that gnome menu? there's nothing in that menu |
| 09:48.18 | brokep | i can find some old problems with that from 2004/2005 on google, but nothing newer. running unstable. |
| 09:48.20 | tarzeau | sinizzl: ich bi jo ded, was hesch fuernes problem? |
| 09:48.25 | sinizzl | tarzeau: nix |
| 09:48.29 | tarzeau | sinizzl: no i'm talking about the path to the binary |
| 09:48.35 | sinizzl | w00t |
| 09:48.35 | troubled | mac123: try editing /etc/network/interfaces and setup both there and use ifup to bring the eth up |
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| 09:49.08 | mac123 | eth1 is already up and i have edited /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:49.33 | sinizzl | i found the directory called program but there's not "soffice" in it |
| 09:49.44 | mac123 | and assigned 2nd ip to the eth1 |
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| 09:49.51 | sinizzl | ah, got it, thanks |
| 09:50.00 | sinizzl | tarzeau, btw: Basel > Zuerich |
| 09:52.38 | sinizzl | hm, that thing crashes |
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| 09:58.50 | korong | hello |
| 09:59.02 | Coke | Turns out creole is useless, any other wiki-style parsers that can make xhtml? |
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| 09:59.11 | korong | i have installed new debian server |
| 09:59.23 | korong | i want to migrate the user account to the new server |
| 09:59.27 | korong | how the procedure ? |
| 09:59.41 | tarzeau | rsync -av /home newplacenew:/home |
| 10:00.02 | korong | how about passwd ? |
| 10:00.09 | korong | group ? |
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| 10:00.15 | korong | shadow ? |
| 10:00.18 | korong | gshadow ? |
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| 10:00.58 | DexterF | diff |
| 10:01.12 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:01.13 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
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| 10:02.17 | Coke | ohh, textile looks nice. |
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| 10:03.50 | eanda | Morning Early Risers and Late Nighters. Looking for an LDAP guru to help me out with joining a debian client to the Ubuntu Server RRComputer consulting ldap server model. Any one in here that can help would be appreciated |
| 10:03.50 | Coke | Why does python-textile REQUIRE python-twisted even though it's only in the "recommends" ? |
| 10:04.07 | korong | tarzeau if use rsync, does it replace users account on the new server that i have installed ? |
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| 10:04.20 | korong | or just "add to" ? |
| 10:04.38 | tarzeau | korong: i thought of having an empty destination /home |
| 10:04.41 | iLLf8d | is there some kind of gnome startup daemon? I'd like to launch pidkin at the start of the session w/out using xsession or the likes |
| 10:04.54 | eanda | Any LDAP gurus in here that know rrcomputer consultings Ubuntu server model? |
| 10:04.54 | tarzeau | korong: if you have same usernames, they'll be added up to. man rsync |
| 10:05.18 | Coke | It also wants python bindings for ssl, pam, etc, is this really necessary to get all this for a text markup parser? |
| 10:05.22 | korong | ok thx tarzeau |
| 10:05.24 | korong | :) |
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| 10:09.08 | Kharec | Rah ça va xD j'lai admis |
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| 10:09.36 | Kharec | Oops, that is not for this channel |
| 10:09.43 | Coke | *sigh* |
| 10:10.46 | Kharec | :p |
| 10:10.50 | mac123 | anyone ? help me on this |
| 10:10.57 | enouf | twas so purdy though ... |
| 10:11.08 | Coke | Should I report a bug on python-textile? It's supposed to install ONE FILE (textile.py), yet this is what apt gives me: The following NEW packages will be installed: python-openssl python-pam python-pyopenssl python-serial python-textile python-twisted python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch python-twisted-core python-twisted-lore python-twisted-mail python-twisted-names python-twisted-news python-twisted-runner python-twisted-web pyth |
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| 10:11.50 | Coke | It has NO dependencies on those packages, this is the broken python-central crap all over again. |
| 10:12.55 | Coke | I need python-twisted-mail in order to get the textile parser for Python??? |
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| 10:13.23 | Coke | And since when is SSL or PAM requirements for making XHTML from simple text markup? |
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| 10:14.13 | enouf | try the xml2 pkg :-P |
| 10:14.27 | enouf | passes Coke some caine |
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| 10:14.51 | Coke | enouf: not what I'm looking for. |
| 10:15.11 | enouf | sure, if BTS doesn't already have a bug, file one |
| 10:15.27 | Coke | Textile looks easy enough, but I don't understand why I am forced to install a full Python-based web application system to install ONE Python file that does markup conversions. |
| 10:15.36 | mirco | Hi all, I'ld like to if it's possible to change the arch of a specific domU? |
| 10:15.51 | Coke | enouf: you know what, I've filed bugs on python-central before, the maintainer says it's suppposed to be broken. |
| 10:16.01 | enouf | ... |
| 10:16.02 | Coke | I even supplied a patch that would fix it, but no go. |
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| 10:16.44 | Coke | enouf: (it didn't follow symlinks, so the alternatives system broke, it was a matter changing to a check function that followed the symlink = solved) |
| 10:17.00 | Coke | The answer was "no, alternatives is supposed to be incompatible with python-central" |
| 10:17.28 | enouf | yikes |
| 10:17.47 | Coke | Indeed. And my patch fixed it, so there was no need for it to be incompatible with it. |
| 10:18.06 | Coke | At the end I was instructed to not use alternatives since it is now obsolete. |
| 10:18.21 | enouf | the alternatives system implementation sometimes seems to cause more issues than it's worth ... |
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| 10:18.26 | Coke | enouf: no |
| 10:18.32 | Coke | Stupid Python maintainers caused that problem. |
| 10:18.56 | Coke | I told you, the fix was EASY, whoever wrote the pycentral crap could easily have made it 100% alternatives compatible. |
| 10:19.07 | enouf | Coke: why isn't there an alternative for say gcc? |
| 10:19.25 | Coke | enouf: it is |
| 10:19.29 | Coke | enouf: I'm using it now |
| 10:19.31 | enouf | nope |
| 10:19.35 | enouf | nope |
| 10:19.49 | Coke | enouf: hm, you're right, it's linking directly to gcc-4.1 |
| 10:19.55 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:20.05 | Coke | the "problem" with alternatives is that it's TWO symlinks instead of just one |
| 10:20.25 | Coke | other than that there's no problem. If you write your check code to dig down symlinks there is NO problem at all. |
| 10:20.26 | enouf | seems dodgy that way |
| 10:20.51 | Coke | naw, it's a blessing and it's standard unix symlinks, no magic, no configs, etc |
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| 10:22.25 | enouf | Coke: are you on Lenny? a mix? |
| 10:22.30 | Coke | enouf: testing. |
| 10:22.42 | enouf | ... |
| 10:23.28 | Coke | I'm not sure about the name... |
| 10:23.40 | Coke | In any case, I don't install anything from Debian packages that use python-pycentral. |
| 10:23.40 | kloppe | enouf: i forgot, do you like coffee while you do hard support work? |
| 10:23.42 | enouf | !releases |
| 10:23.42 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 10:23.57 | enouf | kloppe: most times ;-) |
| 10:24.08 | kloppe | i am making some! |
| 10:24.11 | Coke | enouf: my apt sources says "testing" |
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| 10:24.23 | enouf | Coke: that's lenny at the moment |
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| 10:25.10 | enouf | etch/stable - lenny/testing - and (sid/unstable which won't change) |
| 10:25.12 | Coke | enouf: python packages install their libraries all over the place |
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| 10:25.56 | Coke | enouf: here's a list of directories in which pycentral installs python stuff; pycentral/ pyshared/ python/ pyx/ pycentral-data/ pyshared-data/ python-support/ |
| 10:26.12 | enouf | omg |
| 10:26.13 | Coke | This is the ones under /usr/share |
| 10:26.27 | Coke | There's also the STANDARD paths that Python use under /usr/lib/python<version> |
| 10:26.42 | enouf | i never even go into /usr/share .. oh wait - for /doc/* i do :-) |
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| 10:27.01 | Coke | enouf: well, if you install anything Python on Debian you will have executables and libraries in there. |
| 10:28.11 | Coke | Used to be that you had one /usr/lib/python<ver> for each version, also /usr/local/lib for those local installations, it was VERY easy to switch between them, check for version specific libraries, etc. |
| 10:28.54 | enouf | so what happened? |
| 10:29.06 | Coke | My oppinion is that anybody installing any executable (script or not) outside of bin/sbin dirs should be shot. If you install Python libraries outside of /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib torture is mandatory before execution. |
| 10:29.12 | enouf | i'll tell ya - windows programmers + DEs == Bloated monsters |
| 10:29.14 | Coke | enouf: pycentral |
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| 10:30.17 | Coke | enouf: ask Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> who is maintaining the pycentral package. |
| 10:30.41 | Coke | I got scolded so I'm doing source only installations of Python stuff now. |
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| 10:31.20 | enouf | Coke: you should be patronizing to scolders :-) |
| 10:31.28 | Coke | enouf: what would I gain from that? |
| 10:31.52 | Coke | He discarded my patch and I still have Python spread out over more directories than a bad virus. |
| 10:31.58 | enouf | the strength to carry on with what you think is right? |
| 10:32.14 | Coke | enouf: it's only Python, I can manage it myself via sources. |
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| 10:32.58 | Coke | enouf: besides, I might be wrong. Maybe things should not be as simple as possible. |
| 10:33.22 | enouf | Coke: i can't answer for any one maintainer's actions - or anyone else's period for that matter - but bringing up the issue to a larger crowd for possible discussion might prove useful |
| 10:33.37 | Coke | enouf: I know maintainer mentality |
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| 10:34.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, have you considered thta its spread out to comply with policy...? |
| 10:34.24 | Coke | Kamping_Kaiser: it breaks a lot of policies |
| 10:34.31 | Coke | Kamping_Kaiser: since when do libraries go under /usr/share? |
| 10:34.39 | enouf | LSB? FHS? |
| 10:34.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf, along with debian policy ( a superset of fhs) |
| 10:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, probably. how useful those are is another matter. |
| 10:35.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, since they got put there - no, i wont bother to look it up |
| 10:35.26 | Coke | Kamping_Kaiser: besides, any policy that requires a full Twisted web installation as well as a zope interface with SSL and PAM just to get a markup parser installed is clearly out of my expertise. |
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| 10:38.00 | Coke | apt-get install python-textile results in 17 new packages (13.7MB) to be installed, source installation simply builds an egg and copies it into /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ |
| 10:38.21 | Coke | One file, where it's supposed to be, no dependencies. |
| 10:38.40 | enouf | wait |
| 10:38.47 | enouf | default Recommends? |
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| 10:39.08 | enouf | are you sure those are depends, not recommends? |
| 10:39.10 | Coke | enouf: might be, I don't know. |
| 10:39.14 | Coke | enouf: those are recommends. |
| 10:39.20 | enouf | omg |
| 10:39.37 | Coke | well, twisted is. |
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| 10:39.48 | Coke | I don't know where the zope, ssl and pam stuff comes from, some nested deps |
| 10:40.06 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 10:40.07 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends="false"; |
| 10:40.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think aptitude can tell you (aptitude why $package) |
| 10:40.13 | enouf | Coke: do that |
| 10:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | !custom kernel |
| 10:40.31 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 10:40.47 | Coke | enouf: do I have to do update after? |
| 10:40.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. |
| 10:41.01 | Coke | enouf: still wants me to install it all |
| 10:41.11 | enouf | Coke: i don't think so - one sec |
| 10:42.04 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends python-textile | xargs |
| 10:42.05 | enouf | python-textile Depends: python Depends: python-central Recommends: python-twisted |
| 10:42.20 | enouf | 2 depends, 1 Recom |
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| 10:45.44 | Coke | enouf: indeed. |
| 10:46.08 | Coke | enouf: I'm sort of done with Debian's Python packages. |
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| 10:47.01 | Coke | enouf: Debian cannot handle Python properly at the moment. Luckily, Python is really easy to maintain manually. |
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| 10:48.14 | enouf | farts and falls asleep |
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| 10:48.42 | tdn | Which sources should I use for sarge (stable) in Denmark? |
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| 10:53.51 | nocte | is gadget usb installed by default in a debian ? |
| 10:53.54 | Eckrall | one of the german mirrors? |
| 10:53.59 | Hiall | I have multiple process's of CRON running, i found this command ps -ef|grep cron|grep -v grep and am wondering if i could do this with killall?? |
| 10:56.29 | visik7 | killall cron |
| 10:56.52 | petemc | why do you want to kill cron? |
| 10:57.05 | Hiall | visik7, amazing :) |
| 10:57.20 | visik7 | Hiall: I didn't get the questionj |
| 10:57.23 | Hiall | petemc, some reason i have about 1k+ process's of it |
| 10:57.31 | Hiall | visik7, it worked :P |
| 10:57.44 | visik7 | lol :D |
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| 10:59.27 | nocte | where can i find gadge usb in menuconfig ? |
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| 11:00.06 | netol | hi |
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| 11:02.14 | netol | I can't access to a directory that I'm owner (access dennied), and file rights are rwx------, can someone help me, please? |
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| 11:04.45 | bolt-wor1 | netol: tell us the command you are trying to run. also, please provide ls -l | grep <directoryname> |
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| 11:07.00 | netol | drwx------ 2 ramon ramon 4096 nov 5 10:04 ramon |
| 11:07.15 | netol | cd ramon |
| 11:07.31 | bolt-work | and you get access denied? |
| 11:07.31 | netol | bash: cd: ramon/: Permiso denegado |
| 11:07.46 | netol | yes |
| 11:08.29 | bolt-work | anything weird going on with your filesystem? what filesystem is it, and how did you mount it? can root access the directory? |
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| 11:09.01 | netol | and if I do a g+rwx or o+rwx i can enter |
| 11:09.07 | netol | yes, root can enter |
| 11:09.36 | netol | it's lvm |
| 11:10.03 | bolt-work | hm.. try ls -nl |
| 11:10.11 | bolt-work | then try id |
| 11:10.17 | bolt-work | compare your uid to the id listed |
| 11:10.28 | bolt-work | just making sure they add up |
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| 11:11.50 | netol | no |
| 11:11.58 | netol | they're different numbers |
| 11:12.29 | bolt-work | netol: are you sure you're logged on as the right user? do you have more than one user named ramon or something? |
| 11:13.00 | bolt-work | netol: check your /etc/passwd for the two id's (the one on the directory and your uid from the id command= |
| 11:13.01 | netol | well, it might be a ldap trouble |
| 11:13.20 | netol | maybe there is a system user and a ldap user with the same name |
| 11:13.42 | bolt-work | netol: well, the id's not matching up is why you can't access the directory. it goes by numeric id, not name |
| 11:13.50 | nocte | hi, i have an issue with usbtree, for testing usb in a machine |
| 11:13.58 | bolt-work | netol: then you have to figure out why the id's don't match. i can't help with ldap, though. |
| 11:14.04 | nocte | usbtree: cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 11:14.09 | netol | thanks, I will investigate this ;) |
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| 11:14.19 | bolt-work | netol: good luck. and np :) |
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| 11:33.09 | Daggett | hi all |
| 11:33.51 | Daggett | do you know if I can tell debian installer which mirror to use at boot time (net install) ? |
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| 11:34.49 | petemc | Daggett: sure |
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| 11:35.17 | liable | not sure if its a boot time option. preesed its possible though |
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| 11:35.24 | petemc | oh, boot time |
| 11:35.27 | endra | hey |
| 11:35.30 | petemc | why would you need to do it at boot time? |
| 11:35.42 | Daggett | I have a PXE server to net install debian |
| 11:35.51 | endra | I don't understand the difference between exim4 and dovecot.. exim4 takes care of sending mail/receiving mail via smtp.. and dovecot is an IMAP client? |
| 11:35.54 | endra | imap server* |
| 11:35.56 | Daggett | this server contains a local mirror |
| 11:36.12 | liable | Daggett: google d-i preseed |
| 11:36.22 | liable | its an appendix to the install guide |
| 11:36.25 | petemc | endra: imap server |
| 11:36.34 | Daggett | I thought preseed was for Ubuntu only |
| 11:37.13 | petemc | you live and learn |
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| 11:38.17 | endra | Well, there are alot of dovecot + mysql tutorials out there but shouldn't exim4 be configured at one point since it's the one accepting/sending the mail of these virtual servers? This is the part that is confusing me |
| 11:38.40 | petemc | your question is confusing |
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| 11:38.53 | Daggett | liable: ok thank you I didn't have the right term to search for |
| 11:39.30 | petemc | endra: if you want to clients to be able to access mail remotely via imap or pop, you need dovecot |
| 11:39.49 | endra | I just want to setup SMTP/IMAP for a few different domains on the same machine.. and be able to have virtual users |
| 11:39.58 | petemc | no problems there |
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| 11:40.23 | endra | petemc: I've never set one up properly.. always screwed up someplace |
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| 11:41.14 | petemc | theres info on the dovecot wiki |
| 11:41.47 | cads | if I was writing a program which would create a graph of debian package dependency structure, what library would best serve it as far as extracting the information from the apt cache? |
| 11:41.49 | endra | petemc: ya, there are alot of dovecot + mysql.. but doesn't exim4 have to be configured in order to send/receive the mail? |
| 11:42.04 | petemc | endra: of course it does |
| 11:42.22 | petemc | endra: you dont need mysql either, you can use passwd type files |
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| 11:42.59 | endra | petemc: so I can have foo@myfirstdomain.com and bar@myseconddomain.com without adding any of these users ? |
| 11:43.16 | petemc | yes |
| 11:43.21 | endra | oh, excellent |
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| 11:44.13 | petemc | endra: well, they need to be 'added' somewhere, where that is is completely arbitrary |
| 11:44.32 | endra | Of course, I meant added as in on the system.. like adduser |
| 11:44.36 | petemc | right |
| 11:44.55 | Orion_X11 | Where do I find help to configure my Notebook HP pavilion 6000 with debian? Where is debian notebooks? |
| 11:45.21 | petemc | Orion_X11: theres a debian laptop mailing list, or /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 11:54.07 | robyonrails | how can I mount a ntfs with write permission ? |
| 11:54.48 | MindCr | robyonrails, with ntfs-3g |
| 11:54.56 | robyonrails | ok, thx |
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| 11:56.39 | jpinx | robyonrails: ntfs-3g might ask you to upgrade your kernel too - |
| 11:56.45 | jpinx | it did that to me |
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| 11:57.45 | robyonrails | using apt-get it tells me "incomplete packet" |
| 11:58.06 | robyonrails | I'm downloading the sources. |
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| 11:59.03 | robyonrails | oh, configure has passed! miracle |
| 11:59.05 | robyonrails | :) |
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| 11:59.42 | endra | how can I reset all configuration for exim4 |
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| 12:18.06 | masrawy | I am currently looking for a security admin for a network we're running that can have experience with apache, firewalls, php, hypervm/openvz, hardening linux, updates, mostly all linux related issues. Will pay good pay rate by hour or per job, msg me if interested. |
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| 12:19.51 | masrawy | remote admin even :/ |
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| 12:23.15 | clev | how do i tell dpkg to reinstall a package from cli? |
| 12:23.28 | tarzeau | clev: man dpkg |
| 12:23.48 | clev | tarzeau: i only see a flag with no way to set it |
| 12:23.54 | clev | reinst-required |
| 12:24.28 | Vault | type again |
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| 12:24.35 | Vault | dpkg -i <package> |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | removes a kidney from vault and replaces it with <package> |
| 12:25.07 | clev | ahh didnt think -i would do anything on existing packages |
| 12:25.07 | Vault | oops :p |
| 12:25.29 | clev | im checking the .md5sums files for the packages and im getting a ton of damaged ones |
| 12:26.25 | clev | Vault: it doesnt work on a raw package name, it seems i need to dl it first |
| 12:26.54 | clev | and apt-get install -d refuses to download a package thats allready installed |
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| 12:27.16 | clev | Vault: any more ideas? |
| 12:28.18 | bolt-work | apt-get install --reinstall ? |
| 12:28.35 | clev | ahh finaly:) |
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| 12:28.41 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:28.45 | bolt-work | it's in the manual, i'm suer |
| 12:28.47 | bolt-work | sure |
| 12:28.49 | clev | lol |
| 12:29.00 | clev | i didnt check THAT man page, theres too many! :P |
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| 12:29.46 | OsToros | Hallalujja testverek |
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| 12:30.07 | bolt-work | Hallelujah to you too |
| 12:30.08 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:30.21 | OsToros | Koszonom testverem |
| 12:30.27 | bolt-work | no |
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| 12:31.23 | OsToros | Magyar vagyok nem turista! Comprende? |
| 12:31.31 | kloppe | no |
| 12:31.39 | bolt-work | !spanish |
| 12:31.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:31.43 | bolt-work | comprende? |
| 12:31.51 | petemc | that doesnt look like spanish to me |
| 12:31.59 | bolt-work | i have no idea what it is |
| 12:32.01 | kloppe | !tr |
| 12:32.01 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 12:32.01 | petemc | !hu |
| 12:32.01 | dpkg | i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 12:32.02 | OsToros | Learn some languages :D |
| 12:32.03 | bolt-work | just guessing |
| 12:32.17 | petemc | OsToros: you need to speak english in this channel |
| 12:32.24 | OsToros | Really? |
| 12:32.30 | kloppe | yeah |
| 12:32.31 | petemc | oui |
| 12:32.32 | bolt-work | OsToros: really |
| 12:32.59 | OsToros | Where is da muttafucka holy shit fat linukspenguin now? I am da TUXKILLAH! TUKS must die! |
| 12:33.08 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:33.15 | OsToros | It was egzactly? |
| 12:33.50 | OsToros | I think it was correct and true! |
| 12:34.21 | bolt-work | OsToros: do you have a debian-related question, in english? |
| 12:34.30 | OsToros | Wanna translate to other language ? |
| 12:34.57 | bolt-work | gives up on OsToros |
| 12:35.09 | OsToros | debian related question? Yes! When time the project deadline? |
| 12:35.25 | bolt-work | !wiir |
| 12:35.46 | d-b | there is no deadline |
| 12:35.50 | d-b | !ready |
| 12:35.54 | bolt-work | !wir |
| 12:35.54 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:36.03 | bolt-work | stupid abbrevations |
| 12:36.21 | kloppe | in some way there is a deadline in case one of the release managers gets suicidal before the release |
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| 12:37.32 | agoodNando | How is it possible to find out the keyboar model and layout ? |
| 12:37.45 | bolt-work | dpkg, wiir is When It Is Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:37.46 | tarzeau | agoodNando: by looking at the keyboard? |
| 12:37.46 | dpkg | bolt-work: okay |
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| 12:38.32 | agoodNando | tarzeau: There is not such information in the keyboard. |
| 12:38.38 | robyonrails | guys |
| 12:38.39 | robyonrails | http://pastebin.com/d2a55005c |
| 12:39.00 | simonrvn | agoodNando: look on the underside... |
| 12:39.10 | robyonrails | I've made ntfs-3g from sources and that's the result on calling mount -t ntfs-3g |
| 12:39.13 | tarzeau | agoodNando: on mine, there is |
| 12:39.22 | bolt-work | agoodNando: your keyboard is probably either english or your local language... shouldn't be hard to tell which |
| 12:39.47 | bolt-work | also, there is that autodetection thing which tells you to press a whole lot of different keys... |
| 12:39.56 | tarzeau | agoodNando: does it look like this? http://keyboard.istheshit.net/ |
| 12:40.15 | enouf | robyonrails: don't bother with source? |
| 12:40.26 | robyonrails | mmh ? |
| 12:41.09 | enouf | agoodNando: cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 12:41.13 | enouf | for ps2 |
| 12:41.32 | agoodNando | My keybord is working fine. I guessed it was br-abnt2 and I fortunately was right. But I want to know way to find out because sometimes I deal with computers from other people and there is no way to know. |
| 12:41.47 | enouf | ps/2 or use /proc/bus/usb/* for usb - and try lshal | less and scan for kbd or Lbd |
| 12:41.55 | enouf | erm s/Lbd/Kbd |
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| 12:42.58 | enouf | oh well - those only seem to show compatibilty names |
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| 12:43.44 | enouf | look at the keyboard for logo, and any stickers with maybe a serial number or FCC ID |
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| 12:44.37 | enouf | but really all you have to worry about is the amt of keys, 104 or 101, or if it's a Sun or an Apple or something |
| 12:44.43 | enouf | 88 |
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| 12:51.33 | endra | hey |
| 12:51.40 | endra | exim is running as user '100', how can I get it to run as a different user |
| 12:51.43 | endra | exim4* |
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| 12:52.42 | petemc | exim_user is the option, but you need to know what you're doing |
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| 12:53.13 | endra | well, I want it to run as user 'vmail' so it can access all the mails |
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| 12:54.24 | petemc | endra: and you're going to fix the permissions of exims spool directory etc? |
| 12:55.02 | endra | petemc: I'm using my own virtual spool / transport |
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| 12:55.36 | petemc | whats the outout of exim4 -bP spool_directory |
| 12:55.47 | petemc | s/ou/pu/ |
| 12:56.07 | petemc | endra: you can tell exim what user to deliver the mails as, thats probably what you want |
| 12:56.13 | nw4 | putout? |
| 12:56.30 | eanda | can anyone advise on setting up debian client to authenticate against an Ubuntu server set up per the RRcomputerconsulting model? I cannot configure my debian client correctly to join. I have no problem configuring an Ubuntu Client using libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap with auth client config. Ubuntu clients has an /etc/ldap.conf where debian client does not. Can anyone help here? |
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| 12:57.04 | endra | petemc: well, how can I tell it what user to deliver the mail as? |
| 12:57.21 | endra | petemc: I'm having permission problems to access the users 'inbox' |
| 12:57.35 | leodourado | #fd hello everybody! |
| 12:58.06 | petemc | endra: option of the transport |
| 12:58.37 | endra | petemc: what I did was create a user vmail and placed all config (passwd) and virtual mboxs in his home |
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| 12:58.54 | endra | ah ok, sec |
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| 13:01.09 | endra | petemc: okay, right.. I told the transport to use the guid from the passwd file |
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| 13:01.35 | zxxd | where are the named logs for bind9? |
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| 13:02.26 | petemc | zxxd: syslog or daemon.log |
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| 13:02.44 | zxxd | petemc, i am trying to set debug level so it will show why my queries arent resolving |
| 13:02.51 | zxxd | -d 10 dosen't show anything on syslog |
| 13:02.56 | petemc | zxxd: rndc querylog |
| 13:03.09 | petemc | will toggle verbose logging |
| 13:03.47 | endra | petemc: it works great so far, thanks! |
| 13:03.51 | petemc | np |
| 13:04.40 | zxxd | Nov 5 15:04:14 server1 named[4812]: client 127.0.0.1#32814: view all: query: teleweb.local IN A + |
| 13:04.41 | zxxd | host teleweb.local |
| 13:04.42 | zxxd | Host teleweb.local not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 13:05.47 | zxxd | why not resolving dosen't explain |
| 13:05.48 | endra | petemc: hey, where the heck does dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config get the file update-exim4.conf.conf ? It keeps pulling data for an OLD domain I don't even use anymore.. I don't know where it's getting the data from |
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| 13:06.35 | petemc | endra: /etc/exim4/ , or it reads /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated , not 100% sure as i dont use debconf for exim |
| 13:07.11 | zxxd | ah i know |
| 13:09.00 | antgel | asked this a few days ago but no answer. need a shared calendar server. i used to deploy opengroupware but its footprint is massive and it's more of a platform for further development. any thoughts on a nice, simple alternative? web front end is acceptable, but it would be nice if they could use it with sunbird (iceowl) - i'm not sure how iceowl handles shared calendars though |
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| 13:11.22 | zxxd | petemc, i have to duplicate the entire clause inside the view if i want the same for all clients except a single zone ? |
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| 13:18.20 | antgel | WHERE TEH GROUPWARE USERS? |
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| 13:18.52 | leodourado | hello,. can anybody here help me how to configure root to login on graphical mode? I'm using Debian 4.0 |
| 13:18.55 | endra | how can I crypt() my password for use in passwd files? |
| 13:20.25 | bolt-work | leodourado: you don't sound like you should be using that. why do you want to log in as root? |
| 13:20.45 | endra | ah, crypt() can be any number of algorithms |
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| 13:21.00 | bolt-work | endra: i think you want to make an md5 hash |
| 13:21.14 | endra | I set it as digest-md5 |
| 13:21.24 | bolt-work | yup |
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| 13:25.24 | emorris | is it possible to download a netinst iso for lenny? |
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| 13:26.06 | emorris | ah, never mind, go it |
| 13:26.10 | emorris | got** |
| 13:26.42 | petemc | zxxd: not sure what you mean |
| 13:27.40 | petemc | zxxd: if you dont want something set in a view to take effect for a zone file, dont include that zone file in the view? |
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| 13:27.59 | Hanselmaus_ | hi folks. is it possible to have a what looks like a regular text file, which actually is a pointer to a script that runs and generates the output? |
| 13:28.05 | Hanselmaus_ | so if you "cat file.txt", it actually executes "myscript.sh", which outputs "hello world" |
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| 13:28.41 | bolt-work | Hanselmaus_: you'd have to alias "cat" to something else |
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| 13:29.16 | Neaai | Why is it that wodim is replacing cdrecord ? |
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| 13:29.41 | enouf | !wodim |
| 13:29.41 | dpkg | from memory, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 13:29.56 | Neaai | enouf: thanks |
| 13:30.18 | Hanselmaus_ | bolt-work: unfortunately, that wouldnt work. i want the file to act as a file, even though its actually generated output... dong this because some app we use gets its configuration from a file, and we want that to be generated based on which server we use, rather than having to hand code it each time |
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| 13:30.48 | bolt-work | Hanselmaus_: why not just make a script which updates the file? |
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| 13:31.32 | bolt-work | leodourado: topic. msg the bot, not the people |
| 13:31.55 | Hanselmaus_ | bolt-work: then it would have to be run manually or left updating every couple of moments as a cron? |
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| 13:32.30 | Hanselmaus_ | bolt-work: so its not possible the way i was asking, if i understand what you mean? |
| 13:32.43 | bolt-work | Hanselmaus_: depends on how heavy your script is, I guess. you could store it on a ramdrive to minimize harddrive wear and run it every second if you wish |
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| 13:33.36 | bolt-work | Hanselmaus_: no, afaik making a file which does something when you read it is only possible if you go via some server software to do so. making your application capable of HTTP requests, for instance, you could get the config from a php file hosted on apache |
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| 13:34.32 | Joelio | Hi guys, I'd like to remaster an etch install CD to change the packages that are installed when selecting the machine's function (desktop, web server etc..) as well as include a couple of my own packages and post install stuff. Could anyone point me to some reading material that may be of use. I've looked at CDD, but I think this is a little beyond what I need |
| 13:34.35 | leodourado | SOMEBODY HELP ME PLEASE! |
| 13:34.45 | bolt-work | leodourado: I did |
| 13:34.51 | tarzeau | Joelio: wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 13:34.55 | tarzeau | leodourado: WHY? |
| 13:35.30 | Joelio | tarzeau: Awesome! Looks like a veritable goldmine of info :) |
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| 13:35.40 | Roadrunne | Hi all,which tool can I run to overwrite all deleted files once? Like a defragmentation tool or sth? |
| 13:35.47 | Hanselmaus_ | bolt-work: gotcha... just figured it would be possible, since bash will automagically execute a file if you mark it executable |
| 13:35.49 | bolt-work | tarzeau: from his /msg's, which I didn't authorize, he wants to login as root in X in order to copy a file to /usr/src to set up his wireless network. I think he is a bit misguided |
| 13:36.03 | tarzeau | bolt-work: yuck, absolutely |
| 13:36.06 | leodourado | I don't wanna get back using Microsoft Windows |
| 13:36.29 | bolt-work | leodourado: then stop doing things the windows way. administrator access is bad. |
| 13:38.32 | jelly | leodourado: log in as normal user, and use su, sudo, sux, gksudo or similar to gain access to root account |
| 13:39.05 | jelly | !sux |
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| 13:39.05 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
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| 13:41.36 | Roadrunne | Hi all,which tool can I run to overwrite all deleted files once? Like a defragmentation tool or sth? |
| 13:41.38 | petemc | shred |
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| 13:42.21 | enouf | Roadrunne: you could start with secure-delete, so when you rm files, they get overwritten/encrypted |
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| 13:48.00 | Hanselmaus_ | bolt-work: aha... i found something interesting mkfifo and mknod |
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| 13:48.19 | Roadrunne | enouf: anything I can run after deletion? |
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| 13:48.52 | enouf | Roadrunne: petemc answered that |
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| 13:49.11 | enouf | though, be careful - there may be other things .. not sure |
| 13:49.40 | Roadrunne | enouf: sorry, overread that one |
| 13:49.50 | Roadrunne | enouf: thanks both |
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| 13:50.08 | testi | I'd like to use setfcaps, where can I get it? |
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| 13:50.22 | testi | or how.. |
| 13:50.41 | enouf | !tell testi -about search |
| 13:50.51 | enouf | and install manpages-dev maybe |
| 13:51.36 | Vecam | hello, user_counterbeans are in what dimensions ? kb , bytes ? |
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| 13:51.55 | Roadrunne | petemc, enouf: shred overwrites existing files. How can I everwrite already deleted files? |
| 13:51.58 | testi | enouf: I can't find anything |
| 13:52.23 | enouf | me neither testi |
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| 13:53.11 | enouf | Roadrunne: afaik, there really is no easy way to do that |
| 13:53.41 | enouf | Roadrunne: you'd have to separate out all the blocks that are marked as writeable and overwrite only those |
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| 13:54.25 | Roadrunne | enouf: ok, then I leave it as it is ;) thanks |
| 13:54.26 | Exaltia | Hello there, i'm searching something to automatically recreating a Release file with all packages.gz from a debian mirror MD5 recaculated, is such a thing exist |
| 13:54.40 | enouf | Roadrunne: you could copy off data you want to save to elsewhere, and then overwrtite the entire partition (with anything really) then copy the data back |
| 13:55.25 | enouf | dpkg shoot the customere |
| 13:55.25 | dpkg | blows the customere away with a German Luger |
| 13:55.57 | Exaltia | feels shooted |
| 13:56.42 | enouf | not you |
| 13:56.48 | Exaltia | héhéhé :) |
| 13:56.59 | Exaltia | woops, french keyboard revelated :) |
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| 14:00.17 | solars | hey, does anyone know if nautilus in unstable (2.20) has no tree view or how to enable it? |
| 14:00.50 | enouf | solars: maybe somewhere in gconf-editor /apps/* |
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| 14:02.30 | solars | enouf, nothing related.. :/ |
| 14:03.00 | enouf | solars: i doubt that - but ok - System => Preferences => ? |
| 14:03.08 | enouf | solars: /msg dpkg gnome |
| 14:03.14 | solars | I'm not using gnome |
| 14:03.33 | solars | enouf, no reason to doubt it, I can read alphanumeric chars :) |
| 14:03.34 | enouf | nautilus is gnome's filemanager? |
| 14:03.46 | solars | yeah, but you can run it without gnome .. |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | doesn't mean he's using gnome |
| 14:03.48 | enouf | !info nautilus |
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| 14:04.06 | enouf | but what about the underlying gtk config? |
| 14:04.20 | Exaltia | !info dpkg-scanpackages |
| 14:04.21 | solars | you don't have to start gnome for it |
| 14:04.28 | dpkg | nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 632 kB, Installed size: 1472 kB |
| 14:04.29 | enouf | so what? |
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| 14:04.42 | aboudreault | hi, im wondering if someone who develop debian package can help me a little bit... i just have few questions. |
| 14:04.43 | solars | .. |
| 14:04.48 | enouf | that doesn't mean gconf-editor doesn't allow you to alter it |
| 14:04.58 | solars | I didn't say that |
| 14:05.02 | enouf | i wouldn't know though - never used that stuff |
| 14:05.08 | solars | I said there is no related option in gconf-editor |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | you told him to use the preferences dialog from the gnome menu |
| 14:05.19 | enouf | right - ok |
| 14:05.44 | enouf | see the '?' there? |
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| 14:06.01 | solars | I do |
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| 14:07.59 | solars | problem is, I have no sidepane option in nautilus, so I'm asking if this is already in 2.20 |
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| 14:12.03 | chomwitt | trying to install debian in a pc from a netinstall cdrom the installation freezes in the apt ocnfiguration (just one step before tasksel is run). I guess that it can be a slow connection ? |
| 14:12.58 | robyonrails | guys, I execute: python manage.py runserver > /dev/null & |
| 14:13.13 | robyonrails | but the output of the webserver continues to print on my shell |
| 14:13.22 | robyonrails | how can I fix it' |
| 14:13.23 | robyonrails | ? |
| 14:13.43 | joltcan | robyonrails: add 2>&1 before & |
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| 14:14.14 | robyonrails | ok.. but, what is that? :P |
| 14:14.20 | beardy | robyonrails: Redirect stderr to stdout, then out to null. Like joltcan said. 'man bashä |
| 14:14.27 | beardy | 'man bash' |
| 14:14.31 | robyonrails | thx |
| 14:14.33 | joltcan | robyonrails: you can do "man bash" and do a search "with /" and type 2>&1 and get the chapter about it |
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| 14:14.42 | namki | hi |
| 14:14.43 | robyonrails | right |
| 14:14.45 | robyonrails | sorry |
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| 14:14.58 | OVERRAIZER | alfuem fale porugues |
| 14:14.59 | OVERRAIZER | ? |
| 14:15.11 | OVERRAIZER | precizo de ssh |
| 14:15.17 | OVERRAIZER | maquina |
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| 14:15.21 | OVERRAIZER | pra envio |
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| 14:16.56 | pettals | hi, i am trying to download debian lenny but not able to reach http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso since the last 2 days, is there any problem |
| 14:17.22 | robyonrails | <joltcan> robyonrails: add 2>&1 before & <-- it doesn't work |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | pettals: use the netinst |
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| 14:18.40 | abrotman | pettals: and use a daily netinst |
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| 14:19.32 | pettals | but i needed the first dvd as i need to install in multiple machines and internet is not availiable where i am not going to install |
| 14:19.40 | pettals | it's in a rural school |
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| 14:20.04 | ktwilight | robyonrails, python manage.py runserver 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 14:20.06 | robyonrails | no, it works |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | pettals: ah okay .. well, the link you gave does work for me |
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| 14:20.24 | robyonrails | I did an error, sorry :) |
| 14:20.35 | pettals | i tried ipeinign using gchrome as wel |
| 14:20.38 | pettals | i didn;t opened |
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| 14:20.50 | abrotman | pettals: tried wget ? |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 14:21.07 | abrotman | they also have bittorrents |
| 14:21.07 | pettals | nope, i am in a windows machine |
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| 14:21.25 | pettals | yes actually i downloaded 71 % |
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| 14:21.35 | abrotman | you could even try the blu-ray jigdo :) |
| 14:21.47 | abrotman | that's right .. once again, debian fits on a single disc!!! |
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| 14:21.53 | pettals | i don;pt have blue ray device |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:22.04 | jelly | abrotman: binary, source or both? |
| 14:22.14 | abrotman | jelly: i assume just binary |
| 14:22.19 | jelly | meh! |
| 14:24.04 | pettals | and i am using freedownload manager.. firefox seems to open it though... don't know what the problem is |
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| 14:25.41 | pettals | does the current specify that it is a lenny ? |
| 14:25.49 | pettals | as in http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-iso/current/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | the "testing" does |
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| 14:27.41 | pettals | yes that's correct |
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| 14:28.03 | Fernandooo | hi dudes |
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| 14:28.22 | Fernandooo | im trying to install debian on my old old pc its a pentium II |
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| 14:28.37 | Fernandooo | with the cd 1 its enought ? |
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| 14:29.26 | leodourado | can anybody help me installing my network device on my laptop? I'm using Debian 4.0 |
| 14:29.54 | endra | petemc: hey, you still around? |
| 14:30.08 | telmich | did anyone see update-grub not updating the menu.lst when one changed kopt? -> https://nopaste.eof.name/882 |
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| 14:32.56 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:32.56 | dpkg | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 14:34.04 | cizra | How can I see the version requirements of a given source package? (I have Lenny/Sid enabled as source but not as binaries) |
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| 14:34.13 | Fernandooo | the cd 1 of debian its enought to install the system ? |
| 14:34.22 | Fernandooo | i need install it in a old computer |
| 14:34.49 | helo | is a pidgin version newer than 2.4.3 going to be included in lenny? |
| 14:35.14 | helo | 2.4.3 is the current version, but it is broken in a few places... |
| 14:35.26 | stew | cizra: "apt-cache showsrc packagename" will list a Build-Depends line |
| 14:35.30 | stew | Fernandooo: yes |
| 14:35.48 | cizra | stew: thanks |
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| 14:36.18 | stew | helo: not likely, but a newer version of 2.4.3 could be uploaded to fix problems. are the problems you are seeing in the bts? |
| 14:36.26 | Fernandooo | stew thanks |
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| 14:36.37 | Fernandooo | the old pc got a hd of 4 gb its enought to to install the system ? |
| 14:37.23 | stew | Fernandooo: 4gb is plenty |
| 14:37.25 | cizra | Fernandooo: Yes, for a basic system. |
| 14:37.59 | Fernandooo | ok |
| 14:38.02 | endra | petemc: just wanted to say thanks for the help, so thanks :) |
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| 14:42.34 | pettals | anyways, i am back again strating the cd download from scratch |
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| 14:43.17 | d-b | helo: its not so broken. |
| 14:43.44 | d-b | but feel free to grab your own 2.5.2 pidgin and use checkinstal to produce a .deb the easy way |
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| 14:45.14 | helo | some parts of it are broken... the myspaceim support seems to not work very well, with disconnections every few minutes |
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| 14:45.59 | JustusJonas123 | hi, how can i get i nice overview of the startup script in all runlevels in debian |
| 14:46.02 | helo | seems kinda pointless to stick with an outdated version in the name of "tested stability" if it is actually "tested and known to be broken" |
| 14:46.11 | cizra | Why does apt-get build-dep glib2.0 say "E: Build-Depends dependency for glib2.0 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package gnome-pkg-tools can satisfy version requirements" even though I have gnome-pkg-tools installed and apt-cache showsrc glib2.0 doesn't say it has specific version requirements? |
| 14:46.16 | JustusJonas123 | normally i use something like this: find /etc/rc* -name "*postfix*" |
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| 14:46.40 | JustusJonas123 | but i want an nice overview for all of them, like e.g. in suse |
| 14:46.49 | JustusJonas123 | any suggestions ? |
| 14:47.17 | helo | and i'm not sure that a developer unfamiliar with the code is the best one to be trying to backport changes from a newer release into an older one |
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| 14:49.39 | stew | helo: which bug# are you talking about? |
| 14:49.41 | helo | it seems that if we are making a stable release, we maybe should not include software that needs to be updated frequently... |
| 14:49.57 | behrad | can i mount to folder (home and var) in same partition? |
| 14:50.06 | behrad | can i mount two folder (home and var) in same partition? |
| 14:50.10 | helo | stew: i haven't had time to look into the cause of the problem, so i'm not sure if this is an unlisted bug or not |
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| 14:50.50 | nomad_cz | Hi. Is it possible to use per directory quotas ? |
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| 14:59.32 | cizra | nomad_cz: Probably not |
| 15:00.09 | nomad_cz | cizra: I see ;) |
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| 15:14.26 | ldvx | Hello! I'm trying to find the linux headers amd64 for lenny for the kernel 2.6.24-1. I only find 2.6.26-1 is there a place where they keep old .debs like the one i am looking for? (don't want to upgrade to 2.6.26 because the fglrx drivers and the last kernel haven't been working for me)... thanks |
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| 15:18.20 | enouf | !sdn |
| 15:18.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 15:18.29 | enouf | !ado |
| 15:18.29 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 15:19.03 | enouf | ldvx: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:19.20 | enouf | try both |
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| 15:19.51 | ldvx | thanks enouf |
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| 15:21.09 | kloppe | enouf: i make coffee again for you and me |
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| 15:22.45 | emorris | Hi, i'm on lenny. Kernel 2.6.24-1-486. However, there doesn't seem to be a linux-headers package for it. Any idea where i could get one? |
| 15:23.42 | cizra | emorris: You don't need the exact same version. |
| 15:23.55 | cizra | Headers tend to be compatible across several versions. However, don't quote me on that. |
| 15:23.57 | jelly | emorris: that kernel is too old for lenny |
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| 15:24.09 | jelly | emorris: which cpu do you have? |
| 15:25.25 | jelly | cizra: matching linux-image-* and linux-headers-* packages (names and versions) are needed to build out of tree kernel modules |
| 15:25.41 | emorris | X86 amd sempron. This kernel came with lenny |
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| 15:26.27 | jelly | emorris: yeah, sounds like an installer kernel from an old lenny image. install and use linux-image-2.6-686 (and corresponding linux-headers-2.6-686) instead |
| 15:26.48 | enouf | kloppe: i just made some, thanks |
| 15:27.06 | kloppe | pft |
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| 15:27.33 | jelly | emorris: the 2.6-686 image will always depend on the latest 2.6.* kernel package for that debian release |
| 15:28.11 | jelly | emorris: (also, -486 image only supports 1GB RAM) |
| 15:28.27 | enouf | and no SMP |
| 15:28.28 | emorris | jelly: ok, cheers |
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| 15:30.05 | lzhang_ | how do you upgrade a specific package with apt-get? |
| 15:30.15 | tarzeau | lzhang_: apt-get install specificpackage |
| 15:31.00 | lzhang_ | is that for upgrading or installing? |
| 15:31.04 | enouf | both |
| 15:31.16 | nomad_cz | aptitude ;) |
| 15:31.17 | Vecam | hello, if I want to install ipCop firewall, should I direct all the traffic from my ADSL router the firewall and cancel the router's firewall ? |
| 15:31.22 | enouf | man apt-get, see -u, see debian-reference |
| 15:31.30 | lzhang_ | when I try that command it says that it is already at the newest version, but apt-show-versions claims that it is upgradeable |
| 15:31.41 | enouf | apt-cache policy |
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| 15:32.03 | enouf | you're mixing |
| 15:32.57 | enouf | Vecam: you can if you like, if all your LAN's PCs will be using that ipcop pc as their gateway |
| 15:33.10 | enouf | or .. depending on what you intend to do |
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| 15:34.50 | emorris | Can i just remove the old .24 packages then? |
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| 15:35.16 | enouf | Vecam: is ipcop going to be doing NAT, or the router still will? I like having it out at the router, if you can configure how you like - i mean a main purpose of setting up a box as a router is so you can finely tune it .. and comfortably |
| 15:35.42 | jelly | emorris: after confirming your system boots and works well with the newer kernel, sure |
| 15:35.43 | enouf | emorris: better make sure everything new works correctly - give it a weel |
| 15:35.45 | enouf | week |
| 15:36.04 | enouf | or leave it be like i do :-) |
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| 15:36.23 | jelly | enouf: such HUGE /boot you have, grandma! |
| 15:36.51 | enouf | rears his ugly bootey and starts kicking :-p |
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| 15:37.52 | enouf | looks over at his /boot, and huffs and puffs at it (i just got the reference, heh) |
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| 15:40.05 | Alver | Hello. Is there a way to let the debian installer use full disks for RAID sets instead of partitions? |
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| 15:40.54 | dudy | which one should I prefer ? Criterions : Performance, stability, flexibility... Sendmail, Postfix, Exim ? |
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| 15:42.06 | enouf | Alver: don't partition the disk prior? use expert mode |
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| 15:42.23 | enouf | Alver: see the installation guide |
| 15:42.30 | kloppe | damn, enouf. you are a support machine |
| 15:42.38 | kloppe | do you never burnout? |
| 15:42.38 | oomph | what is the java package called? |
| 15:42.40 | Vecam | enouf, yeah I see thank you |
| 15:42.42 | enouf | kloppe: it's the fine brew :-) |
| 15:42.48 | kloppe | hehe |
| 15:43.01 | enouf | !tell oomph -about java |
| 15:43.04 | Alver | enouf: even in expert mode, it wants a partition table before it starts the raid config |
| 15:43.26 | Alver | enouf: dito for LVM - I cannot pvcreate a full device, only partitions. Is there an option to override this? |
| 15:43.27 | enouf | Alver: hrm .. |
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| 15:43.36 | enouf | ofcourse there is |
| 15:43.40 | oomph | ahh ok |
| 15:43.43 | oomph | figured it out |
| 15:43.44 | oomph | thanks |
| 15:43.48 | oomph | needed to add non free |
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| 15:43.56 | enouf | maybe it just wants a table? but not partitions? |
| 15:44.23 | Alver | enouf: heh, not really. :) |
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| 15:45.03 | Alver | enouf: I tried configuring things outside the installer and then continue the install, but that acts up too |
| 15:45.04 | enouf | Alver: which installer? |
| 15:45.28 | Alver | The expert ncurses installer. There's a busybox tty there that has some tooms |
| 15:45.30 | Alver | tools, even. |
| 15:45.39 | enouf | no, i mean etch, lenny, netinstall |
| 15:45.54 | Alver | Ah. Netinstall, with lenny chosen as distro to be installed. |
| 15:46.05 | enouf | ok .. one sec |
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| 15:46.38 | Alver | My specific setup would be two disks in raid1, the md device encrypted, and the resulting encrypted disk pvcreated for LVM. |
| 15:47.08 | Alver | I can encrypt the full md device, but cannot create a raidset from full disks, nor can I pvcreate the encrypted disk. |
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| 15:48.03 | Alver | I did those things outside the installer but after booting, the system didn't ask me for a password. Guess it didn't pick up the fact that root is on an encrypted disk when I did that myself. |
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| 15:50.42 | enouf | Alver: yeah, might still be an issue - see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto or .. try a Daily image |
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| 15:51.31 | Alver | "If you setup a device using a combination of RAID and crypto, you need to manually add an entry to /target/etc/crypttab." |
| 15:51.35 | Alver | That would explain. :) |
| 15:51.58 | enouf | but it should be fixed now - try a daily |
| 15:52.00 | cizra | jelly: clear, thanks |
| 15:52.23 | Alver | enouf: brilliant, thanks a lot. :) |
| 15:52.52 | enouf | welcome |
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| 15:55.33 | Alver | enouf: you don't happen to know whether raid10 functionality has been added/restored to the installer? :) |
| 15:55.51 | enouf | hrm .. not offhand, but i know it's available |
| 15:55.54 | Alver | I tried it and it did create the right headers on the disks, but I couldn't configure it in the installer itself. |
| 15:56.06 | Alver | After the first boot the disks were found and worked fine |
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| 15:56.43 | enouf | hrm, do you have another installed debian system? check whatever /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* can tell you - also try #debian-boot on oftc.net |
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| 15:57.06 | enouf | or email the list instead |
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| 15:59.26 | oomph | hello, how would I go about installing JRE or JDK 1.4 or 1.5 |
| 15:59.36 | oomph | an application that I'm installing needs it |
| 15:59.45 | abrotman | !tell oomph about install java |
| 15:59.48 | oomph | is it apt-get install java-package |
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| 16:00.01 | d-b | oomph: there is openjdk... |
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| 16:00.55 | oomph | d-b, i dont see the package |
| 16:00.59 | oomph | when I do a search |
| 16:01.03 | nomad_cz | oomph: either package or binary install from SUN |
| 16:01.11 | nomad_cz | oomph: probably in non-free |
| 16:01.28 | oomph | i have added the non free repository |
| 16:01.31 | Daggett | anyone who knows about PXE booting iMAC ppc computers ? |
| 16:01.45 | bolt-work | Daggett: just ask your question |
| 16:02.05 | nomad_cz | oomph: aptitude update then ;) |
| 16:02.05 | d-b | do they pxe to start with ? |
| 16:02.06 | oomph | i found it |
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| 16:02.12 | oomph | thanks |
| 16:02.26 | oomph | sun-java5-sdk |
| 16:02.39 | oomph | err jdk |
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| 16:03.32 | Daggett | when booting from PXE my iMAC (ppc) gets an IP adress, then complains about "no filename specified" but in my dhcpd.conf there is one "filename "yaboot";" |
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| 16:04.47 | spx2 | when a package is built in debian... |
| 16:04.49 | kloppe | enouf: can i ask ... what do you do ... cause you have very good tech knowledge on the one side, and on the other side you invest a lot of time and energy into irc support |
| 16:04.50 | spx2 | for example bash |
| 16:04.54 | Daggett | If I specify this "yaboot" filename in openfirmware then it boots OK |
| 16:04.56 | spx2 | where is the build script for it ? |
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| 16:05.15 | nomad_cz | Daggett: try full path + maybe next-server option |
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| 16:07.05 | enouf | kloppe: short sell, credit default swaps, big oil ;-) |
| 16:07.18 | kloppe | enouf: haha, you silly. i was serious :P |
| 16:07.54 | Daggett | nomad_cz: I tried 'filename "/yaboot";' with no success |
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| 16:08.07 | pdbogen | What's the difference between linux-image-xen and linux-image-xen-vserver? |
| 16:08.10 | spx2 | where is the build script for a particular .deb package (for example bash) ? |
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| 16:08.32 | Daggett | nomad_cz: next server option was already defines |
| 16:08.34 | pdbogen | spx2: apt-get source bash; cd bash*; debian/rules binary |
| 16:08.45 | pdbogen | (Or buildpackage, I can never remember.) |
| 16:08.51 | pdbogen | (As in, debian/rules buildpackage) |
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| 16:09.20 | pdbogen | (You'll also need things like apt-get build-dep bash and apt-get install build-essential) |
| 16:09.47 | enouf | kloppe: are you a hot female? <j/k> ... join -offtopic already - try oftc.net |
| 16:10.06 | spx2 | pdbogen: and if I want to modify it and make install it ? ./configure;make;make install ? |
| 16:10.13 | pdbogen | spx2: What do you mean? |
| 16:10.19 | pdbogen | spx2: What are you trying to change? |
| 16:10.21 | enouf | doesn't mean i feel like answering personal questions though ;-P |
| 16:10.33 | spx2 | pdbogen: I want to change some stuff in bash and see if it works |
| 16:10.53 | kloppe | enouf :( |
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| 16:11.46 | pdbogen | To rebuild the debian package, you run debian/rules binary again, and it will rebuild the package in .. as a .deb, which you can then reinstall with dpkg -i. |
| 16:11.57 | d-b | enouf: is also known as obama |
| 16:12.07 | pdbogen | spx2: But if you're just playing with modifying the source, you probably want to make without installing and run it from the source directory to test. |
| 16:12.12 | d-b | j/k |
| 16:12.13 | enouf | pdbogen: i think he wants to re ./configure it using whatever flags they want |
| 16:12.24 | pdbogen | enouf: Well, yeah, but you can modify the rules file and change the flags. |
| 16:12.26 | enouf | d-b: my middle name is hussein! |
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| 16:12.35 | nomad_cz | Daggett: Hmm. works for me ;) |
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| 16:13.13 | abrotman | !tell pdbogen about source |
| 16:13.28 | pdbogen | I'm not the one asking, eh? |
| 16:13.30 | Daggett | nomad_cz: which dhcp server do you use ? |
| 16:13.41 | Daggett | dhcp3 or some other ? |
| 16:13.57 | nomad_cz | Daggett: dhcp3-server 3.0.1-2 |
| 16:13.58 | _strog | how can i create a directory dependent from the "date" command? |
| 16:14.04 | nomad_cz | Daggett: Sarge :/ |
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| 16:14.17 | pdbogen | My question was: What's the difference between linux-image-xen and linux-image-xen-vserver? |
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| 16:14.24 | pdbogen | _strog: mkdir `date -I` |
| 16:14.35 | chomwitt | hi, in installing lenny with aptitude , i see some packages like xserver-xorg-video-xxxx . is it mandatory to include them in the installation of the X system? |
| 16:14.54 | nomad_cz | Daggett: allow booting; allow bootp; next-server adelka; filename "/knoppix/pxelinux.0"; |
| 16:15.00 | pdbogen | chomwitt: Not all of them, but you generally need the one for your video card, if you want X. |
| 16:15.01 | enouf | pdbogen: the latter also has vserver support? |
| 16:15.05 | nomad_cz | Daggett: That's all it needs |
| 16:15.06 | d-b | chomwitt: turn off recomments to stop installing a toaster ^^ |
| 16:15.07 | pdbogen | enouf: I don't know what that means. |
| 16:15.17 | enouf | pdbogen: do you know vserver? |
| 16:15.22 | enouf | !vserver |
| 16:15.23 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 16:15.37 | pdbogen | Ah. |
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| 16:15.48 | pdbogen | So it's not necessary for something that's just a Xen server? |
| 16:15.53 | enouf | pdbogen: vservers share memory .. xen isolates allocated space into it's own vm |
| 16:16.03 | enouf | nope |
| 16:16.07 | enouf | not afaik |
| 16:16.09 | pdbogen | nods; thanks. |
| 16:16.20 | chomwitt | pdbogen: ok thanks. although aptitude is little intimidating saying tha xserver-xorg depends on those packages. |
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| 16:16.36 | pdbogen | chomwitt: It annoys the hell out of me. :/ |
| 16:16.51 | pdbogen | chomwitt: But it's probably better for new users, since they can just install xserver-xorg and not have to know beforehand which package they need. |
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| 16:17.13 | mhymn | how can i kill one of the many processes that they all have a same PID? |
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| 16:17.30 | nomad_cz | Daggett: BTW I have /tftproot and there is knoppix/pxe... |
| 16:17.42 | pdbogen | mhymn: Many processes shouldn't have the same PID? |
| 16:17.43 | spx2 | pdbogen: yes,I think you're right :) thank you |
| 16:17.47 | chomwitt | pdbogen: so , will aptitude pop an error if i dont install those? |
| 16:17.49 | enouf | they all have the same name too? use pkill, or pgrep or pidof |
| 16:17.56 | nomad_cz | Daggett: so it is tftp full path not filesystem path |
| 16:17.57 | sladi | pdbogen: Desktops like Gnome need lots of recommended stuff so everytrhing works there, |
| 16:18.14 | mhymn | spx2: take a look at this --> http://pastebin.com/m77af2c1b |
| 16:18.22 | mhymn | spx2: kopete for example |
| 16:18.23 | enouf | chomwitt: you'd have to not install the metapackage "xorg" |
| 16:18.23 | pdbogen | chomwitt: It shouldn't. xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-4, and any individual package should provide xserver-xorg-video-4. |
| 16:18.30 | Daggett | nomad_cz: OK, thanks, I'll try this but I have other computers (x86) and they PXE-boot perfectly... only the iMac complainig about filename missing |
| 16:18.37 | enouf | and that too :-) |
| 16:18.53 | nomad_cz | Daggett: Hmm. I see. |
| 16:19.25 | chomwitt | thanks for the tips. |
| 16:19.34 | _strog | pdboen: it didnt work |
| 16:20.05 | mhymn | spx2: sorry |
| 16:20.13 | pdbogen | !doesn't work |
| 16:20.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:20.15 | pdbogen | _strog: What did it do? |
| 16:20.24 | mhymn | pdbogen: take a look at this --> http://pastebin.com/m77af2c1b |
| 16:20.30 | mhymn | pdbogen: kopete for example |
| 16:20.41 | _strog | it created a directory of that name |
| 16:20.43 | pdbogen | mhymn: I don't know what your question is. |
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| 16:20.45 | _strog | or input |
| 16:20.48 | name_ | i love you dpkg |
| 16:20.49 | _strog | to be more precise |
| 16:20.57 | pdbogen | _strog: You probably used ' and not `. |
| 16:21.03 | mhymn | pdbogen: how can i kill one of the many processes that they all have a same PID? |
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| 16:21.13 | pdbogen | mhymn: That's not many process. |
| 16:21.20 | _strog | 1 sec |
| 16:21.22 | mhymn | sorry if i'm expressing it wrong |
| 16:21.22 | pdbogen | mhymn: That's one process with multiple connections open. |
| 16:21.30 | mhymn | yeah, i mean that |
| 16:21.42 | pdbogen | mhymn: As far as I know, you can't externally terminate a network socket. |
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| 16:21.47 | debianite | Hi, is there a way to stop spamassassin from taging outgoing email? |
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| 16:22.40 | Daggett | nomad_cz: well it's still not taking filename into account... |
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| 16:23.31 | nomad_cz | Daggett: Do not know ;) I would either check Docs or used tcpdump or such to see what is happening ;) |
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| 16:23.55 | zxxd | whats docs |
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| 16:24.17 | Daggett | nomad_cz: ok thanks for all ! |
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| 16:25.11 | Orion_X11 | I have a pc (wireless connection) a notebook and a cable. I am trying to get internet access in my notebook through the cable. I am using debian in both. In the pc the ip is static. So, how do I configure my note to get internet access? |
| 16:26.11 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: So, you're unplugging the desktop from the wired network and plugging in the laptop? |
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| 16:27.13 | nomad_cz | Daggett: The Mac EFI firmware doesn't seem to be able to boot PXE natively ... it says on http://forum.onmac.net/archive/index.php/t-1754.html |
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| 16:27.38 | nomad_cz | Daggett: I have never had Mac so do not know those issues ;) |
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| 16:28.00 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: No. The pc is on the net. I just want to share internet connection with the notebook |
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| 16:28.23 | nomad_cz | Daggett: Maybe it is not even your case ;) |
| 16:28.23 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: So you have an extra network card in the desktop and you're connecting it via a crossover cable to the notebook? |
| 16:28.40 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: That's it. |
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| 16:29.24 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: Well, assuming the desktop is already configured to do IP masquerading/NAT, you just need to configure the laptop with an IP address in the same subnet as the card it's connected to on the desktop. |
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| 16:31.28 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: That's is the problem. I do not know to give ip number, dns and so on to the notebook. The pc is already configured with those numbers |
| 16:31.59 | pdbogen | ifconfig eth0 inet <IP> netmask <netmask>; route add default gw <desktop IP>; echo 'nameserver <DNS IP>' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:32.15 | pdbogen | But if the laptop has something like network-manager, you have to do it through network-manager instead. |
| 16:32.45 | _strog | pdbogen: ok true but i get for each month etc. a direcktory |
| 16:32.58 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: I can do it through > network-admin > in debian |
| 16:33.07 | pdbogen | _strog: Can you please rephrase that in the form of a question? |
| 16:33.58 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: But, the problem is that: With numbers do I put there? |
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| 16:34.12 | _strog | mkdir `date` makes a directory for Wed, Nov,5,EST,2008 |
| 16:34.12 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: How did you set up the desktop to act as a router? |
| 16:34.19 | pdbogen | _strog: I said mkdir `date -I` |
| 16:35.29 | _strog | ah ok |
| 16:35.31 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: I think I haven't done that. How do I check it |
| 16:35.32 | _strog | lots of thanks |
| 16:35.41 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: Is your desktop running Linux or Windows? |
| 16:35.49 | Orion_X11 | debian |
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| 16:36.57 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: It is running debian (desktop and notebook) |
| 16:37.02 | pdbogen | There are three steps. |
| 16:37.29 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: go on ... |
| 16:37.29 | _strog | pdbogen: and how do i make it use the time and the date? |
| 16:37.42 | pdbogen | First, you have to configure the secondary network card with an RFC1918 address (i.e., something like 192.168.*.*), and it needs to be different than the primary interface. |
| 16:38.03 | pdbogen | Second, you have to enable ip_forwarding: as root (not using sudo), do: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:38.28 | pdbogen | Third, you have to add iptables rules to perform NAT: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:39.21 | pdbogen | Now, you know what the IP address and netmask are, because you set them in step 1. You can configure the laptop with the same netmask but a different IP in the same subnet (i.e., if the desktop is 192.168.17.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0, then make the laptop 192.168.17.2 with 255.255.255.0). The gateway on the laptop is the IP of the desktop, and the DNS is the same as for the desktop (i.e., the DNS for your ISP). |
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| 16:39.43 | enouf | or, if you really wanted to; sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding' ;-) |
| 16:39.47 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: do you mean the card in the pc or in the notebook? |
| 16:39.59 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: You have to configure both of them. |
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| 16:40.53 | pdbogen | _strog: mkdir `date +%Y-%m-%d-%H%M` |
| 16:41.01 | enouf | but you know your stuff - and maybe ensure /etc/sysctl.conf has that enabled (uncomment the line if it exists) |
| 16:41.04 | pdbogen | _strog: If you want a colon or something between the time, then do %H:%M instead of %H%M. |
| 16:41.19 | _strog | good |
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| 16:41.24 | _strog | thanks again |
| 16:41.27 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: How do I print this info here? |
| 16:41.29 | enouf | or, in lenny and newer you have /etc/sysctrl.conf.d/* now? |
| 16:41.36 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: Yeah, if you need this to be permanent, you have to uncomment or add a line to /etc/sysctl.conf like net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 16:41.47 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: What info? |
| 16:41.59 | pdbogen | enouf: As far as I know, /etc/sysctl.conf can still be used. |
| 16:42.07 | enouf | great ;-) |
| 16:42.22 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: the one that you gave me in a file for me. |
| 16:42.40 | pdbogen | Be more specific. |
| 16:42.44 | enouf | nothing like people keeping their stinkin rotten paws off my config files :-P |
| 16:42.51 | Orion_X11 | pdbogen: I want to save this info in a file and print in my printer |
| 16:42.56 | enouf | s/paws/cloven hooves :-P |
| 16:43.07 | pdbogen | Orion_X11: So copy and paste it into a text editor or something. |
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| 16:43.35 | pdbogen | I'm disappointed that there's no super-minimal howto on doing NAT. |
| 16:43.46 | enouf | Orion_X11: look for a logging feature of your irc client? |
| 16:44.04 | Orion_X11 | enouf: Yes |
| 16:44.11 | enouf | pdbogen: /msg dpkg ipmasq ? |
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| 16:44.40 | enouf | or .. you mean a bit more that just that |
| 16:44.52 | pdbogen | enouf: Well, ipmasq isn't a HOWTO, and the linked howto is way more than super-minimal. |
| 16:45.12 | Orion_X11 | enouf: I think theres something as lastlog. But how to use that? |
| 16:45.37 | n3kl | pdbogen: quitcherbichin |
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| 16:46.42 | pdbogen | n3kl: STFU. I'm a bout to write the HOWTO I want. |
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| 16:46.54 | n3kl | pdbogen: turn on forwarding, then iptables -A POSTROUTING -s $internal -o externalinterface -j MASQERADE |
| 16:47.00 | pdbogen | n3kl: *I* know how. |
| 16:47.02 | n3kl | pdbogen: there, I wrote if for you |
| 16:47.03 | n3kl | =]\ |
| 16:47.05 | pdbogen | n3kl: But there's nothing simple I can link to other people. |
| 16:47.14 | pdbogen | n3kl: How do you turn on forwarding? What's $internal? What's externalinterface? |
| 16:47.18 | pdbogen | n3kl: You suck at writing HOWTOs. GTFO. |
| 16:47.29 | enouf | ... |
| 16:47.33 | abrotman | pdbogen: did you check lartc.org and netfilter.org ? |
| 16:47.44 | pdbogen | abrotman: I didn't; I'll look there now. |
| 16:47.45 | n3kl | pdbogen: ipmasq gives you "micro howto" like you wanted |
| 16:47.46 | abrotman | IIRC both have simple howtos on basic NAT |
| 16:48.29 | pdbogen | n3kl: Link? |
| 16:48.58 | enouf | Orion_X11: /lastlog ? |
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| 16:49.41 | n3kl | pdbogen: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 16:49.55 | n3kl | pdbogen: google knows lots |
| 16:50.19 | enouf | dpkg > googley moogley |
| 16:50.19 | dpkg | enouf: I give up, what is it? |
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| 16:50.37 | abrotman | that guy really should mention ipmasq .. oh well |
| 16:50.38 | pdbogen | n3kl: That's overkill. |
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| 16:50.58 | pdbogen | A super-basic NAT doesn't need rules in the FORWARD chain. |
| 16:51.06 | sphenxes | the screen resolution every few days to a very low resolution, fonts are very large? how can i rest to my usual resolution (only solution is reboot)? any suggestion? etch genom |
| 16:51.08 | themill | isn't sure why we need a howto more than "aptitude install ipmasq". |
| 16:51.41 | n3kl | pdbogen: i'd like to see your super micro godlike howto when you are done =] |
| 16:51.42 | enouf | pdbogen: write one up ;-) ignore bogus complaints i say! |
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| 16:52.34 | enouf | sphenxes: ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 16:52.47 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks |
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| 16:53.28 | enouf | sphenxes: i'm presuming that will work - no idea why every few days your resolution goes tits up |
| 16:54.20 | enouf | unless you are inadvertantly making those key combo presses |
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| 16:55.56 | sphenxes | I don't know? that happens every few days without anything (on booting) |
| 16:56.29 | enouf | you mean when you bootup it boots into a very low resolution? |
| 16:56.37 | sphenxes | yes |
| 16:56.45 | enouf | (you boot most everyday?) |
| 16:56.57 | enouf | and it happens every 4th or so? |
| 16:57.17 | sphenxes | yes, it happens almost on the 4th day |
| 16:57.28 | enouf | IOW, then say "on every 5th boot or so ... blah" |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | ok |
| 16:57.47 | enouf | we're clear? we are ;-) |
| 16:58.22 | n3kl | swamp gas |
| 16:58.25 | enouf | binary blob drivers? Are you crashing hard every 3rd day? :-P |
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| 16:59.31 | enouf | sphenxes: you could try putting a DisplaySize XXXmm YYYmm in Section Monitor of your xorg.conf |
| 17:00.36 | enouf | sphenxes: run xrandr to set up your screen correctly? grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log and compare bad wth good, also run a diff on bad/good boots |
| 17:00.46 | sphenxes | :-), may be that is the problem, my kid (18 month old) every few day switch off the computer of course without normal shutdown. |
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| 17:01.17 | enouf | sphenxes: you might have an /Xorg.1.log .. depends .. but save one good boot one, and compare when it's bad |
| 17:01.19 | maligor | can't stay away from strange things that go click when pushed? ;) |
| 17:01.23 | enouf | hahaha |
| 17:01.45 | themill | 18 month old =~ cat. |
| 17:01.56 | maligor | you could just disable system shutdown on powerbutton |
| 17:02.01 | enouf | er .. ~= you mean :-P |
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| 17:03.26 | sphenxes | maligor, i think i must do it. everytime i am fighting with my wife because of that. a nice solution for my computer and not to quarrel any more with my wife |
| 17:04.15 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks for the help |
| 17:04.16 | enouf | move the box to a higher location? (doesn't work well with cats) |
| 17:04.21 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 17:04.59 | sphenxes | enouf: it is not a cat, it is girl. it got directly to the light. |
| 17:05.11 | enouf | welcome - but actually - the 3rd benefit is the kid still thinks he's powering down (well, atleast almost) |
| 17:05.15 | maligor | with cats you could make a trap that shoots a yarn ball |
| 17:05.54 | enouf | s/yarn ball/water pistol ? |
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| 17:07.06 | enouf | sphenxes: congrats on your daughter - hope well for you all |
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| 17:07.57 | sphenxes | I wonder what she (kid) will do after i disable the powerbutton. I think she will be really mad |
| 17:08.13 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks |
| 17:08.28 | enouf | haha .. yep - better make the light go out - but only allow suspend :-P |
| 17:08.46 | enouf | sphenxes: UPS? |
| 17:08.58 | enouf | nah |
| 17:09.13 | maligor | mm, did bios's have a option to disable hard shutdown from power? |
| 17:09.19 | maligor | I'm not really sure |
| 17:09.30 | maligor | the 5 second press |
| 17:09.34 | enouf | no , ATX formfactor says 4sec |
| 17:09.40 | enouf | it;s a goner |
| 17:09.45 | sphenxes | maligor, i don't think so but i must take alook (bios) |
| 17:09.46 | enouf | constant press |
| 17:10.13 | enouf | but - i've seen such buggy crap - even that many times didn't work :-P |
| 17:10.16 | maligor | I guess one could then buy a push button, some cable and headers |
| 17:10.24 | sphenxes | i think she do not stop till the light is off :-) |
| 17:10.25 | maligor | and connect it instead of case button |
| 17:11.04 | maligor | or maybe enable automatic startup |
| 17:11.09 | enouf | sphenxes: start her early - get her her own box ;-) |
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| 17:11.34 | sphenxes | enouf, i agree, but my wife will let me sleep in the celler :-) |
| 17:11.43 | Dogfood | 'ey. I'm trying to create a shared folder for my laptop that has vista and debian on dual boot. I installed ext2IFS to vista and I can mount the whole linux partition but I'm wondering if I can share just a single folder and not the whole partition |
| 17:11.59 | enouf | haha |
| 17:12.21 | enouf | sphenxes: all it has to do is have a light and a power button ;-) |
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| 17:12.30 | Dogfood | sphenxes: sacrifices must be made for the future of mankind ;) |
| 17:12.39 | sphenxes | :-) |
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| 17:12.56 | norc | Hello. Which metapackage do I need to install for xorg and co? |
| 17:12.58 | maligor | Dogfood, you can mount a partition to any point in the filesystem |
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| 17:13.10 | maligor | Dogfood, just make a separate shared partition |
| 17:13.31 | norc | (Which automatically pulls in all xorg packages) |
| 17:13.42 | enouf | xorg |
| 17:13.48 | cizra | haha, xorg, norc |
| 17:14.02 | Dogfood | maligor: well that seems a lot simpler that what I was trying >_>; |
| 17:14.07 | norc | Mhm, it had a different name in Etch.. but thanks. |
| 17:14.08 | enouf | well, it won't pull in every xorg pkg |
| 17:14.28 | maligor | Dogfood, I don't think any filesystem allows you to mount a single folder exclusively |
| 17:14.39 | norc | works fine, thanks. :) |
| 17:14.56 | enouf | in sarge there was x11-common and xfree86- ..bah .. now i forger |
| 17:15.35 | norc | Doesn't sound right either, but anyway. This works fine, so it does not really matter. |
| 17:15.52 | maligor | Dogfood, you might just aswell use some crappy fs like fat32 on it also, it works fine on both os's |
| 17:16.06 | \amethyst | you can, however, mout the partition elsewhere and mount --move or --bind a particular directory in the place you want |
| 17:16.07 | enouf | norc: if you like meta things checkout tasksel ;-) |
| 17:16.20 | maligor | Dogfood, unless you need unixy permissions on it |
| 17:16.50 | cowboycoder | norc: are you looking for xserver-xorg? |
| 17:17.00 | norc | cowboycoder: Ah. Yes. |
| 17:17.04 | Dogfood | looking into it |
| 17:17.11 | norc | That's it :) |
| 17:17.12 | lbt | how do I see what packages are installed? apt-cache --installed is only for depends |
| 17:17.34 | \amethyst | lbt: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 17:17.34 | jelly | !installed |
| 17:17.35 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 17:17.47 | \amethyst | or those |
| 17:17.49 | jelly | oh that's just gross. |
| 17:18.15 | lbt | jelly: hmm, shoulda guessed that then ;) |
| 17:18.27 | jelly | lbt: "dpkg -l" is a good start |
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| 17:18.51 | \amethyst | that would be just '~i'... !~M makes it list only manually-installed packages |
| 17:18.51 | lbt | true :) - thanks |
| 17:18.54 | jelly | lbt: what \amethyst suggested greps out only the properly installed ones |
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| 17:19.18 | \amethyst | dpkg, installed =~ s/!~M// |
| 17:19.18 | dpkg | \amethyst: that doesn't contain '!~M' |
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| 17:19.36 | jelly | symlink |
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| 17:20.48 | Dogfood | so I just need to create a partition on windows side as FAT32 and then mount it in linux? that simple? |
| 17:21.14 | Dogfood | ...plus making linux mount it during bootup... |
| 17:21.18 | themill | dpkg no installed packages is <reply> To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%100p'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 17:21.18 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 17:21.24 | maligor | Dogfood, yeah, fat32 will work fine |
| 17:21.30 | Dogfood | ok |
| 17:21.33 | Dogfood | thanks |
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| 17:21.46 | maligor | unless you need to add linux executables on it or something, but that doesn't make sense anyway |
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| 17:22.06 | themill | gah |
| 17:22.26 | \amethyst | dpkg, installed packages =~ s/0p'/0p' '~i'/ |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 17:22.32 | maligor | Dogfood, the only alternative really is mounting the whole filesystem in either os |
| 17:22.44 | lbt | !aptitude clone |
| 17:22.44 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 17:22.50 | Dogfood | which would make it possible for me to screw up either os |
| 17:22.56 | \amethyst | yeah, that one is probably reasonable |
| 17:23.03 | themill | hates to think what themill*\amethyst have done... |
| 17:23.12 | \amethyst | dpkg, installed packages |
| 17:23.12 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 17:23.15 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:23.27 | \amethyst | dpkg, installed packages =~ s/%p/%100p/ |
| 17:23.28 | themill | themill: I killed the 100 bit just after you. Race condition 101. |
| 17:23.28 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 17:23.30 | prince_jammys | \amethyst: wow, the bot understands that too |
| 17:23.38 | themill | \amethyst: the 100 isn't required. |
| 17:23.44 | \amethyst | ah |
| 17:23.46 | \amethyst | fine then |
| 17:23.53 | \amethyst | I'll leave it alone, you can fix it |
| 17:23.55 | Dogfood | maligor: there is no good way to make linux understand ntfs? |
| 17:23.58 | themill | :) |
| 17:23.58 | \amethyst | that's the lock protocol |
| 17:24.35 | jelly | Dogfood: it's called "ntfs-3g" and is installable this way or the other |
| 17:24.37 | themill | \amethyst: /me done. Your turn. Lock released :P |
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| 17:24.53 | \amethyst | looks fine |
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| 17:25.04 | maligor | Dogfood, as jelly says ntfs-3g works ok |
| 17:25.18 | maligor | fat32 might have better performance in linux |
| 17:25.29 | maligor | probably does too |
| 17:25.38 | Dogfood | ok, not bothering with that then |
| 17:26.10 | maligor | microsoft isn't a happy camper with ntfs |
| 17:26.18 | jelly | fat32 has other issues; 2GB file size limit is one |
| 17:27.01 | \amethyst | maligor: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html says it's faster for some things than FAT |
| 17:27.44 | jelly | thinks ntfs-3g is probably mature enough by now to be used without worrying much |
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| 17:28.14 | jelly | note the usage of "weasel words" |
| 17:28.45 | maligor | I'm very weasely too :P |
| 17:28.54 | maligor | \amethyst, what? seek? |
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| 17:31.29 | enouf | jelly: vfat should be 4G filesize limit, on non-win9x/ME systems |
| 17:31.51 | jelly | enouf: eh, same thing |
| 17:32.07 | enouf | ... |
| 17:32.26 | amphi | unsigned/signed? ;) |
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| 17:33.57 | Joelio | how do I customize the tasksel options on an install CD? I take it I need to remaster in some way |
| 17:34.11 | enouf | yep |
| 17:34.42 | jelly | dots :( |
| 17:35.43 | enouf | kloppe: your coffee is wearing off - nap time ;-) |
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| 17:38.41 | Neaai | I was wondering, where to get some resources on dpkg (dpkgbot) in order to set up a similar bot onto a different network? |
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| 17:39.09 | kloppe | enouf: happy dreams |
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| 17:42.57 | themill | Neaai: /msg dpkg search dpkg |
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| 17:43.21 | Cloudster | hi Neeai |
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| 17:44.13 | Neaai | themill: thanks. I tried some other queries, but this one had the right answer |
| 17:44.17 | Neaai | hi Cloudster |
| 17:44.54 | Cloudster | Neaai, did the slipstream work out? |
| 17:45.09 | Neaai | Cloudster: oh yes. Like a charm :) |
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| 17:45.30 | Neaai | Cloudster: it did require some time to set all up, but in the end all worked. |
| 17:46.12 | Neaai | Cloudster: your info was very crucial as regarding to the required sata drivers. Thanks a lot for that. |
| 17:46.23 | Cloudster | Neaai, what info? |
| 17:46.29 | Cloudster | I only provided the link to the drivers |
| 17:47.02 | Neaai | Cloudster: Well, I didn't know that so it's valuable info for me :) |
| 17:47.59 | Cloudster | you can do that for any driver, but some (if not most) stupid shit OEMs like to package their drivers in Setup.exes |
| 17:48.22 | Cloudster | and some of them install lots of junk in the systray, control panel applets, etc. *glares at sigmatel and realtek* |
| 17:48.59 | Cloudster | oops, this is #debian, not ##windows... sorry! |
| 17:49.08 | Neaai | Cloudster: hehe |
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| 17:52.41 | pdbogen | enouf: http://cernu.us/?p=1.134.135 |
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| 17:56.11 | themill | pdbogen: assumes sudo == bad. rm /etc/resolv.conf == bad. Why not just install resolvconf on the clients and ipmasq on the gateway? |
| 17:56.48 | pdbogen | themill: Does resolvconf work without DHCP? |
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| 17:58.35 | themill | pdbogen: resolvconf is a general framework so will also work with a number of other situations such as where the client wants to use a vpn. |
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| 18:00.05 | pdbogen | VPN is far beyond the scope of that HOWTO. I think using resolvconf would complicate things unnecessarily, and saying 'use ipmasq' (a) doesn't work on other distributions, and (b) kind of defeats the purpose of having a HOWTO. |
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| 18:00.22 | stew | pdbogen: that guide is not for debian, most of the stuff that is being done in that howto should be done different ways in debian, you should be able to find a guide more specific to debian, or just install the ipmasq package "apt-cache show ipmasq" |
| 18:00.25 | themill | Also, your settings to both client and gateway are not permanent. They are lost at the next reboot and need to go either into /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/sysctl.conf. |
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| 18:00.44 | pdbogen | sighs. |
| 18:00.50 | pdbogen | stew: I know. I wrote it to be not specific to Debian. |
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| 18:01.03 | themill | pdbogen: But that's my point... a how to that covers all these things is no longer a simple howto. That's why people wrote packages like ipmasq. |
| 18:01.12 | pdbogen | themill: Right in the introduction, "...but it should be extremely useful as a temporary solution for many situations." |
| 18:01.20 | pdbogen | themill: I don't want it to cover all those things. |
| 18:01.33 | benkong2 | how can I re-enable gem update --system on a debian system? I wan gems 1.3.0 |
| 18:01.35 | themill | pdbogen: and yet aptitude install ipmasq is simpler than everything you wrote |
| 18:01.36 | pdbogen | themill: Not all users want to be intimidated right out of the box when they're trying to do something that's really fairly simple, at its core. |
| 18:01.41 | pdbogen | themill: Not if you aren't on Debian. |
| 18:01.49 | themill | pdbogen: so why are you telling us? |
| 18:01.56 | pdbogen | themill: I was telling enouf. |
| 18:01.57 | Nibbler | there is no question that "use ipmasq" does not answer! |
| 18:02.09 | pdbogen | Nibbler: Apparently not. |
| 18:03.05 | Nibbler | pdbogen: just kidding obv :) |
| 18:03.05 | themill | pdbogen: I got rid of thousands of lines of crufty, difficult to understand iptables start up scripts just by installing ipmasq and my life has been so much more pleasant since. ipmasq is manna from heaven :) (OK, I'll stop there...) |
| 18:03.39 | pdbogen | uses ipmasq to trim his toenails in the morning, as well as to thickness plane wood and make jullienned fries! |
| 18:03.42 | heavenquake | highlights on "heaven" and "quake". You have no idea how many random highlights I get daily -.- |
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| 18:04.12 | themill | heavenquake: /nick 4b45e283-e7c6-4df1-bd2e-77cda920fbee |
| 18:04.22 | heavenquake | lol |
| 18:04.33 | webPragmatist | hey how can i test pop communication with the shell |
| 18:04.37 | webPragmatist | or even smtp |
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| 18:04.40 | heavenquake | is that a hash for something, or just random crap? |
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| 18:04.48 | themill | heavenquake: UUID. |
| 18:04.48 | pdbogen | heavenquake: Looks like a UUID. |
| 18:04.57 | pdbogen | webPragmatist: telnet <server> 25 (for SMTP)? |
| 18:05.11 | chiak | webPragmatist: telnet? |
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| 18:05.25 | Nibbler | yep, 25 |
| 18:05.28 | themill | heavenquake: But if you used it, it would no longer be universally unique, as that's also my sda1. Now where do we stand then.... |
| 18:05.40 | chiak | and 110 for pop3, i think |
| 18:05.45 | webPragmatist | pdbogen: well what are the commands |
| 18:05.45 | pdbogen | I, eh, wasn't questioning the port, I was just questioning if that was the level of solution he needed. |
| 18:05.50 | webPragmatist | like ehlo |
| 18:05.51 | webPragmatist | or somethin |
| 18:05.57 | pdbogen | webPragmatist: What depth of testing do you need? |
| 18:06.13 | Nibbler | helo, mail from, rcpt to, data, blah, . |
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| 18:06.31 | webPragmatist | pdbogen: I really just need to test pop3 auth |
| 18:06.36 | heavenquake | themill: a solution *could* also be to remove "heaven" and "quake" from my "extra highlight words" in xchat. I put them there so I'd recieve highlights from lazy people who'd not yet discovered the joy of tab completion |
| 18:06.36 | webPragmatist | so just that i can connect and authenticate |
| 18:06.45 | Nibbler | webPragmatist: pop3 isport 110 |
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| 18:06.50 | webPragmatist | Nibbler: ya ok |
| 18:06.50 | pdbogen | No clue. I've never bothered with POP3, on account of it's POP3. |
| 18:07.02 | themill | heavenquake: yes. It's amazing how many people can't spell "themill". |
| 18:07.04 | Nibbler | 25 is smtp |
| 18:07.12 | webPragmatist | Nibbler: thank you we knew this |
| 18:08.10 | aFlag | hello, I'd like that rhythmbox always have priority on the schedueler. How should I do that? |
| 18:08.11 | Nibbler | webPragmatist: wasnt so sure ;-) |
| 18:08.11 | chiak | webPragmatist: some commands are here: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1725/ |
| 18:08.11 | Nibbler | anyway, gtg :) cyas |
| 18:08.11 | webPragmatist | thank |
| 18:08.11 | webPragmatist | s |
| 18:08.11 | themill | pdbogen: just one thing on your howto though, tell the user how to undo things that they have done (and use mv rather than rm on resolv.conf). People who are following howtos are clueless and are destined for trouble. Providing a lifeline and avoiding destructive commands is good. |
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| 18:09.26 | pdbogen | themill: Ehh, since it *is* temporary, on the Gateway, everything can be undone by rebooting. (I'll mention that, though.) As for the Client, it's assumed that everything is in an undefined state beforehand, so there's not a whole lot of point in providing undo instructions. |
| 18:09.43 | stew | pdbogen: you can't undo "rm /etc/resolv.conf" by rebooting |
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| 18:10.54 | pdbogen | stew: Yes. Luckily, I said (a) on the gateway, everything can be undone by rebooting, and (b) you don't run rm /etc/resolv.conf on the gateway. |
| 18:11.23 | stew | pdbogen: you should not have people rm /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:11.31 | pdbogen | stew: Why? |
| 18:11.53 | themill | pdbogen: come on... why do you think? |
| 18:12.00 | pdbogen | I didn't ask why I think. |
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| 18:12.14 | benkong2 | hey all |
| 18:12.22 | benkong2 | I want rubygems 1.3.0 |
| 18:12.31 | stew | pdbogen: becuase they might have configuration in there they need after they are done using this temprary gateway |
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| 18:12.46 | benkong2 | can I just uninstall rubygems 1.2.0 that was installed with apt and install from rubyforge? |
| 18:13.01 | pdbogen | stew: I'd posit that the configuration was either automatically generated by something that will happily regenerate it, or they know that they need it and, thus, can recreate it. |
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| 18:13.33 | stew | pdbogen: i wouldn't |
| 18:13.38 | pdbogen | Ok. |
| 18:13.47 | themill | pdbogen: if the config is regenerating on its own, then you've got other problems as you presumably still have dhclient running in the background. |
| 18:14.14 | themill | pdbogen: And we have a large number of people with dns problems coming in here on a regular basis. |
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| 18:14.38 | themill | pdbogen: interesting photos btw |
| 18:14.42 | pdbogen | Thanks. |
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| 18:17.38 | helo | during lenny netinstall, it is taking a long time to configure/setup the packages, and there are a lot of "attempt to access beyond end of device" messages in dmesg (towards the top though, not recent) |
| 18:18.37 | helo | a really freaking long time... |
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| 18:22.10 | jefferso1 | ive been having an issue with apt-get build-dep . i just reinstalled debian, and every time i try to run apt-get build dep to get packages, it says that there is not an adequate version of debhelper . any ideas? |
| 18:22.53 | themill | jefferso1: what package is this for? |
| 18:23.26 | jefferso1 | themill: ran into the problem trying to install mythtv, but i have tried it with other packages with dependent packages, and have gotten the same result |
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| 18:24.55 | themill | jefferso1: etch only has debhelper 5 and a lot more packages these days are using debhelper 7 for building. Fortunately, dh 7 is on backports.org; /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 18:25.38 | jefferso1 | themill: sounds right, i am using dh 5 |
| 18:25.45 | jefferso1 | themill: thanks, appreciate it |
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| 18:26.06 | themill | jefferso1: you can use "apt-cache showsrc packagename" to see the build-deps for a package. |
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| 18:27.04 | pdbogen | Not/part |
| 18:27.06 | pdbogen | Er. |
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| 18:29.14 | baggend | Anyone know if there's a "skel" type file that can be edited for crontabs? I'm finding that many of my users aren't aware that a default crontab will only have "/usr/bin:/bin", so I'd like to include a commented-out "PATH=" line in any new crontab that gets created. |
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| 18:30.52 | karsten | baggend: Not AFAIK. I generally create one myself either from the manpage (noting fields) or from one of the /etc/cron* files (stripping the user field). |
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| 18:31.22 | karsten | baggend: Since user crontabs are managed by crontab(1) and placed in /var/spool/cron/, /etc/skel/ isn't quite appropriate. |
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| 18:32.00 | baggend | karsten: Yeah, I know /etc/skel wouldn't be the right place. I was hoping there was something like a crontab.skel that could be edited to provide a "default" crontab. |
| 18:33.07 | baggend | I suppose I could create a adduser.local to automatically create an empty crontab for each user but I keep hoping there's a better way. |
| 18:33.19 | karsten | baggend: check out the account creation configuration files. I think there's a dir.d somewhere where you can drop stuff to have happen, though I forget exactly what controls this. |
| 18:33.24 | karsten | baggend: Bingo. |
| 18:34.06 | baggend | karsten: I'll give that a shot and see how it works out. Thanks for the help! |
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| 18:35.20 | karsten | baggend: NP |
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| 18:37.05 | Tobsn | hey, how can i set a correct mail domain? its sending <root@debian> right now - i have exim running |
| 18:37.27 | jelly | !hostname |
| 18:37.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 18:38.10 | Tobsn | do i have to reboot? |
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| 18:38.19 | Tobsn | or can i just restart net? |
| 18:38.30 | baggend | Tobsn: You have to reboot |
| 18:38.34 | baggend | Unfortunately |
| 18:38.44 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 18:38.45 | Tobsn | not good |
| 18:38.59 | Tobsn | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 18:38.59 | Tobsn | 127.0.1.1 debian |
| 18:39.13 | Tobsn | is in hosts and one normal ip with a real domain and debauto behind it |
| 18:39.28 | baggend | Tobsn: If you *just* need to fix it for exim, you can tell exim to rewrite the domain for you. |
| 18:39.31 | Tobsn | should i just add 127.0.0.1 somedomainonthatbox.com ? |
| 18:39.39 | Tobsn | how? |
| 18:39.44 | Tobsn | i mean i just need it for exim |
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| 18:40.11 | Tobsn | since im sending out a few mails and the receiving mail server rejects them because of @debian ;) |
| 18:40.33 | baggend | Tobsn: It's somewhere in the exim4 config. :) One sec and I'll take a look. |
| 18:40.42 | Tobsn | im looking too |
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| 18:41.41 | helo | what do i need to do in lenny to use framebuffer apps? (/dev/fb0, etc) |
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| 18:42.20 | baggend | Tobsn: It looks like you might just be able to edit /etc/mailname and restart exim. |
| 18:42.26 | baggend | (not sure, but worth a shot)( |
| 18:42.30 | Tobsn | k |
| 18:42.40 | infinity1 | i have a server that crashes consistently during high disk IO and management doesn't want to fix the real problem. is there a way to cause the kernel to make the Disk IO performance worse? |
| 18:43.02 | baggend | infinity1: What kernel are you using? |
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| 18:43.21 | infinity1 | 2.4.ummm |
| 18:43.28 | baggend | infinity1: (uname -r) |
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| 18:43.44 | infinity1 | 2.4.21 |
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| 18:43.53 | baggend | infinity1: Hmm, is upgrading to 2.6 an option? |
| 18:43.53 | t0lkman52429 | how to recompile php on debian with --enable-zend-multibyte ? |
| 18:43.57 | Tobsn | baggend, so do i add 127.0.0.1 somedomain.com ? |
| 18:43.57 | infinity1 | no |
| 18:44.00 | jelly | infinity1: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 ? |
| 18:44.02 | t0lkman52429 | i faced on bug http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22108 |
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| 18:44.39 | Tobsn | t0lkman52429, just get the source |
| 18:44.39 | baggend | Tobsn: You shouldn't need to. The idea is that if you don't specify a mailname, exim will automatically append one that you give it. |
| 18:44.59 | Tobsn | yeah but where do i give it? |
| 18:45.07 | Tobsn | hmm wait couldnt i just add a FROM header ? |
| 18:45.11 | Tobsn | let me test that |
| 18:45.14 | infinity1 | libc 2.3.2 |
| 18:45.18 | Tobsn | that retarded but who knows |
| 18:45.34 | t0lkman52429 | Tobsn but i want to use php from repositories.. |
| 18:45.42 | jelly | infinity1: I'm interested in the real output of that line. |
| 18:45.51 | Tobsn | than wait till its fixed in the repos |
| 18:45.51 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 18:45.54 | Tobsn | good luck with that |
| 18:46.03 | Tobsn | you might can phpize it into it |
| 18:46.04 | Tobsn | but not sure |
| 18:46.10 | jelly | infinity1: it points to which debian release you're using |
| 18:46.46 | infinity1 | its actually a centos box :) |
| 18:46.54 | jelly | infinity1: um. |
| 18:46.55 | infinity1 | but i hate centos so i'm here :) |
| 18:47.05 | Tobsn | uh |
| 18:47.07 | Tobsn | get rid of it |
| 18:47.11 | Tobsn | just let it die |
| 18:47.13 | jelly | rests the case |
| 18:47.21 | Tobsn | without dignity. centos doesnt deserve it. |
| 18:47.24 | sammcd | just moved from debian to centos |
| 18:47.34 | sammcd | I mean from centos to debian |
| 18:47.34 | Tobsn | youre crazy? |
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| 18:47.37 | infinity1 | hrmz. it doesn't matter what distro. i just need to make the kernel slower |
| 18:47.38 | Tobsn | good |
| 18:47.44 | jelly | !tell Tobsn -about enter |
| 18:47.45 | sammcd | I couldn't find any good packages |
| 18:48.03 | sammcd | Anyway.. I do have a question.. On centos using yum, I had to make sure I got the 64 bit versions of packages. |
| 18:48.13 | sammcd | Do have to do that? And if I do, how do I do that on debian? |
| 18:48.16 | helo | when i boot, i get an error saying "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 18:48.17 | Tobsn | apt-get should do that for you i think |
| 18:48.18 | jelly | infinity1: if I had to fix it, I'd try replacing the kernel with the latest 2.4 |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | sammcd: dpkg already knows .. `dpkg-architecture` |
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| 18:48.34 | sammcd | awesome. |
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| 18:49.02 | sammcd | so do I use that instead of apt-get? |
| 18:49.03 | infinity1 | jelly: yea. no one wants me change anything on its had this problem forever |
| 18:49.11 | Tobsn | apt-get search package |
| 18:49.14 | Tobsn | apt-get install package |
| 18:49.15 | jelly | sammcd: debian doesn't mix 32 and 64 bit like RHEL/Centos does |
| 18:49.19 | Tobsn | dont worry about the rest |
| 18:49.22 | sammcd | okay cool |
| 18:49.24 | sammcd | thanks |
| 18:49.45 | infinity1 | jelly: it should really be dumped. the biggest problem is that i can't back it up because rsync crashes it. even with limiting the bandwidth |
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| 18:50.22 | abrotman | sammcd: you sohuld be using aptitude for most operations |
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| 18:50.34 | abrotman | !tell sammcd about grounding |
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| 18:50.44 | Tobsn | damn, the header trick didnt worked |
| 18:50.44 | Tobsn | (envelope-from <root@debian>) |
| 18:50.44 | Tobsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.46 | sammcd | hmm |
| 18:50.52 | Tobsn | its still |
| 18:50.52 | sammcd | never used it, but it looks intersting |
| 18:50.53 | Tobsn | Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address |
| 18:50.54 | jelly | infinity1: simple solution: shut it down; reboot a recent livecd and rsync away, or pull the disks and image them elsewhere |
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| 18:51.16 | infinity1 | jelly: i can't do that every day! |
| 18:51.35 | infinity1 | jelly: i think it might be firmware on the controller or something. |
| 18:51.40 | infinity1 | 3ware junk |
| 18:51.41 | jelly | infinity1: sure you can. that'll make mgt think twice about replacing the bugger |
| 18:51.47 | infinity1 | lol |
| 18:51.53 | infinity1 | true |
| 18:52.00 | jelly | at 17:00, it goes down |
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| 18:55.01 | Tobsn | baggend so what should i change to change the host? 127.0.0.1 debian is what it says right now - should i change it to 127.0.0.1 domain.com - because in /etc/hostname is www.domain.com |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | man hosts |
| 18:55.31 | tsb | I'm trying to install something, aptitude search lists a C in front of it. What does it mean? A conflict? How do I investigate? I've been looking at the manpages but couldn't find anything. |
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| 18:56.14 | baggend | infinity1: 3ware actually makes pretty darned good RAID controllers in my experience |
| 18:56.18 | d0uglas | hi. when i create a new file in a shell's home directory the file has user-only rw permissions. Any way to get it so that whenever a user creates a file in a certain directory it has web friendly chmods by default? |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | !tell d0uglas about umask |
| 18:56.35 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | tsb: can you put it in a pastebin ? |
| 18:56.54 | webPragmatist | chiak: thanks again fixed the issue..... someone banned like a bunch of emails in our ticket system |
| 18:57.04 | baggend | Tobsn: This is not an ideal way to do it, but you can edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template and look for the MAIN_QUALIFY_DOMAIN bit. |
| 18:57.07 | Tobsn | abrotman, yeah but i already have a real ip to domain.com and it says debauto behind it |
| 18:57.09 | infinity1 | baggend: i have mixed feeling about 3ware. their performance is usually poor unless you spend hours tweeking |
| 18:57.25 | cads | do you guys know if there's an app that shows a graphical view of the dependency graph of debian packages installed on your system? |
| 18:57.29 | infinity1 | baggend: when i could get a LSI controller and get descent performance without spending hours |
| 18:57.45 | tsb | abrotman, the line reads as "^c puppet - cent..." |
| 18:57.56 | baggend | Tobsn: Then just re-run update-exim4.conf. |
| 18:58.01 | tsb | abrotman, (after doing a aptitude search puppet) |
| 18:58.28 | Tobsn | MAIN_QUALIFY_DOMAIN is not in the conf |
| 18:58.42 | cads | so for example you may be able to filter a few packages and view a directed network graph of the dependencies and reverse dependencies of those packages |
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| 18:59.13 | xand | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:59.20 | abrotman | i didn't do it .. debhelper did |
| 18:59.23 | xand | oh. |
| 18:59.25 | abrotman | it was just timing :) |
| 18:59.27 | xand | please spank it ;p |
| 18:59.34 | baggend | Tobsn: On my system it shows up right at line 58. |
| 18:59.41 | baggend | There's an .ifndef line mentioning it. |
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| 19:00.02 | Tobsn | # Create domain and host lists for relay control |
| 19:00.06 | Tobsn | line 50 ;) |
| 19:00.18 | Tobsn | MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS thats what i have here |
| 19:00.29 | abrotman | tsb: that doesn't make sense .. are you in aptitude ... or at the command line ? |
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| 19:00.59 | tsb | abrotman, at the commandline. "aptitude search puppet" and then that line comes. |
| 19:01.45 | xand | right... so since upgrading from etch to lenny, this line in /etc/sysctl.conf no longer has any effect, has something changed (I upgraded kernel as part of upgrade) net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | tsb: which version of debian ? |
| 19:02.56 | tsb | abrotman, etch, experimenting with pinning. |
| 19:03.07 | jelly | !pinning |
| 19:03.07 | baggend | karsten: adduser.local did the trick. It now automatically creates a default crontab for me when a new user is created. |
| 19:03.07 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | you have aptitude from experimental ? |
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| 19:03.40 | jelly | tsb: read that xs4all page above for misc pinning issues |
| 19:04.10 | d0uglas | okay so chmod 644 is umm.. carry the two... 911? |
| 19:04.13 | tsb | jelly, okay, thanks. |
| 19:04.13 | d0uglas | for umask? |
| 19:04.19 | jelly | d0uglas: 022 |
| 19:04.32 | d0uglas | oh thought it was minus seven |
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| 19:04.43 | abrotman | !tell d0uglas about permissions |
| 19:04.53 | baggend | Tobsn: After the MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS block there should be MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS, MAIN_RELAY_NETS, and then MAIN_QUALIFY_DOMAIN |
| 19:04.56 | tsb | abrotman, no, only facter and puppy |
| 19:05.00 | jelly | d0uglas: uMASK is a mask, hence inverse of what you want to happen |
| 19:05.21 | d0uglas | gotchya.. reading links. |
| 19:05.30 | abrotman | tsb: hrm .. and the huge aptitude manual doens't tell you ? |
| 19:05.39 | Tobsn | yep |
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| 19:06.10 | karsten | baggend: Nice. |
| 19:06.38 | tsb | abrotman, I've actually been skimming though it; explains params etc, but didn't find that no.. |
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| 19:08.25 | baggend | Tobsn: So somewhere in that section is your answer. :) Did you try editing /etc/mailname earlier and restarting exim? |
| 19:08.45 | Zharf | how do I make sure a certain kernel module is loaded before another module which is automatically detected and loaded but this one that needs to be loaded first, isn't |
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| 19:09.32 | abrotman | Zharf: module rules |
| 19:09.47 | abrotman | Zharf: foo pre-install modprobe foo2 |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 19:11.17 | Zharf | abrotman, somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 19:11.24 | helo | do i need to recompile my kernel to enable the framebuffer /dev/fb0? |
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| 19:13.58 | meeero | how can i figure out if for my ext3-filesystem noatime and/or nodiratime is enabled? |
| 19:14.25 | agoodNando | Is there something written about why aptiute was created ? Was not apt enough ? I'm just curious. |
| 19:14.34 | Tobsn | hehe |
| 19:14.50 | Tobsn | baggend, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ;) |
| 19:15.14 | Tobsn | but i broke my root > gmail redirect - do you know by any chance how i did that haha... i forwarded all local mails to my gmail account - somehow |
| 19:15.24 | baggend | Tobsn: Err, yeah, that would work too. :) |
| 19:15.29 | baggend | Tobsn: Check /etc/aliases |
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| 19:15.46 | Tobsn | k |
| 19:15.48 | Tobsn | its still in there |
| 19:16.04 | Tobsn | i thought i did it somewhere in the exim confs and i grepped for my gmail account and couldnt find it... |
| 19:16.11 | Tobsn | forgot about aliases ;) |
| 19:16.15 | Tobsn | big thanks for your help! |
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| 19:34.28 | agoodNando | Is there a way to make the console white and the characters black in the console ? |
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| 19:40.13 | abrotman | agoodNando: you mean not an xterm ? |
| 19:40.24 | agoodNando | abrotman: Yes. In tty. |
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| 19:41.54 | agoodNando | I learned how to use the consolechars -f fontname. Now I'd like to make the console white with characters in black. :D |
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| 19:44.20 | HayDen | hello |
| 19:44.51 | HayDen | I want use Debian |
| 19:45.05 | agoodNando | HayDen: Good. :) |
| 19:45.14 | HayDen | thanks agoo |
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| 19:45.21 | HayDen | I use ubuntu now |
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| 19:45.26 | abrotman | !d-i HayDen |
| 19:45.26 | dpkg | HayDen, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:45.44 | HayDen | yes I have a questions |
| 19:45.48 | HayDen | about this |
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| 19:46.02 | HayDen | How I can Install Debian |
| 19:46.04 | abrotman | agoodNando: maybe termcap .. but i'm not sure ... |
| 19:46.10 | HayDen | there are a lot Of CD and DVD |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | !tell HayDen about d-i |
| 19:46.12 | abrotman | !tell HayDen about ig |
| 19:46.14 | abrotman | !tell HayDen about netinst |
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| 19:46.39 | agoodNando | abrotman: I'll search its docs and read. Thanks. |
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| 19:47.06 | amphi | agoodNando: setterm may be what you want |
| 19:47.27 | agoodNando | amphi: For tty ? |
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| 19:48.02 | amphi | agoodNando: yes |
| 19:48.22 | agoodNando | amphi: Thanks. I'll take a look at it too. |
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| 19:52.33 | funEman | hello niggers. |
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| 19:53.22 | amphi | agoodNando: setterm -inversescreen on might be enough |
| 19:54.36 | agoodNando | amphi: Just wonderful. Thanks :) |
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| 19:57.06 | abrotman | amphi: cheater! |
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| 19:58.36 | amphi | heh |
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| 20:03.51 | abrotman | thought you could do that with termcap anyway ... |
| 20:03.52 | abrotman | !ping |
| 20:03.53 | dpkg | pong |
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| 20:03.57 | abrotman | yay .. other people gone! |
| 20:04.15 | stew | !list |
| 20:04.15 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
| 20:04.21 | attonbitusira | anyone know of a software cablebox package? |
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| 20:05.33 | andyeb_ | anyone know what might make postfix suddenly stop delivering email to gmail? gmail is claiming an SMTP protocol violation all of a sudden :( |
| 20:05.41 | andyeb_ | as of four hours ago |
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| 20:08.41 | abrotman | attonbitusira: like mythtv ? |
| 20:09.03 | abrotman | stew: last night like three 'things' answered that |
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| 20:12.15 | pumpkin0 | i upgraded a older etch install to lenny. Now /etc/sysfs.conf not longer works (sysfs does not get the values). What changed.. ? |
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| 20:14.27 | stew | sysctl.conf? |
| 20:14.44 | attonbitusira | abrotman: perhaps |
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| 20:14.50 | abrotman | didn't sysfs die a long time ago? |
| 20:14.55 | pumpkin0 | stew: no, sysfs.conf, the file to setup stuff in /sys/ during boot. |
| 20:15.00 | attonbitusira | Will it properly decode the signal? |
| 20:15.23 | stew | abrotman: certainly not |
| 20:15.27 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: it is still there, it is loaded and reacts ... |
| 20:15.34 | Zvpun | I have "/dev/sda6 on /windows type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,utf8,umask=0)" yet there is a directory with permission 555, while others have 777, I dont understand why vfat supports permissions. |
| 20:15.44 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: /proc got nearly killed. |
| 20:16.02 | abrotman | uh .. devfs .. ignore me :) |
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| 20:18.47 | abrotman | Zvpun: it doesn't |
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| 20:19.11 | Zvpun | a183127:/windows/Musik# ls -l Alben/Apocalyptica/ |
| 20:19.11 | Zvpun | total 80 |
| 20:19.11 | Zvpun | drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 16384 Dec 5 2006 Cult (Special Edition) |
| 20:19.11 | Zvpun | dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Jan 22 2007 Inquisition Symphony |
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| 20:20.44 | Zvpun | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/20759/ |
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| 20:28.57 | attonbitusira | cant find a cable box. looking for software package instead - hopefully to get all channels? |
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| 20:29.30 | legis | what's the key combination to get to a console? |
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| 20:30.00 | Zvpun | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 20:30.05 | AcTiVaTe | Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6 normally |
| 20:30.16 | legis | ctrl + alt + Fx is not working for me |
| 20:30.18 | legis | hmmm |
| 20:32.14 | JoshH | anyone know if you can hide, or deny downloads of certain filenames or types, with vsftpd? |
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| 20:33.17 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 20:40.26 | adrenaline | What is the best way to have debian start without x |
| 20:40.48 | pippijn | adrenaline: don't install xdm |
| 20:40.54 | pippijn | adrenaline: or gdm or kdm |
| 20:41.02 | folken | adrenaline: edit /etc/inittab and put runlevel to 2 instead of 3 |
| 20:41.11 | adrenaline | If I do that though can I use x if wanted? |
| 20:41.15 | pippijn | *shrug* |
| 20:41.18 | pippijn | adrenaline: yes |
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| 20:41.21 | pippijn | adrenaline: with 'startx' |
| 20:41.25 | adrenaline | It is 2 but still logs into gui |
| 20:41.44 | legis | chmod 644 /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 20:41.57 | adrenaline | cool legis |
| 20:42.06 | adrenaline | non-executable brilliant |
| 20:42.23 | aFlag | what shoul I use for video editing? I just want to speed-up a video. |
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| 20:43.17 | pippijn | adrenaline: that's a common way |
| 20:43.23 | adrenaline | I like it |
| 20:43.24 | pippijn | adrenaline: it's even documented |
| 20:43.28 | adrenaline | thanks for the advice |
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| 20:43.45 | pippijn | I simply deinstall the display manager |
| 20:43.52 | pippijn | if I don't use it on boot, I will never use it |
| 20:43.53 | adrenaline | Sorry for missing the documentation I have read google but didn't like those suggestions so I wanted to ask the guru's |
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| 20:51.37 | adrenaline | nodm? |
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| 20:52.10 | adrenaline | oh I see lol |
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| 20:58.35 | agood-away | If it push ` it only gets on the screen after I push <space>. |
| 20:58.39 | agood-away | Any idea ? |
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| 21:01.01 | stew | agnitio: ` or ~ ? |
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| 21:01.27 | stew | agnitio: if you hit ` then e do you get è ? |
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| 21:04.09 | agnitio | what? |
| 21:04.17 | agnitio | that was not directed to me was it? |
| 21:04.39 | stew | agnitio: oh, sorry |
| 21:04.50 | stew | agood-away: if you hit ` then e do you get è ? |
| 21:04.54 | agood-away | stew: Either ~ ' ` |
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| 21:05.02 | agood-away | stew: Yes. |
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| 21:05.57 | agood-away | If I want linux-headers-`uname -r` I have to push <space> after each ` to get the things right. |
| 21:05.57 | jberg | hey, i have two sata disks which is running a raid 1, i have /dev/md0, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, but i want to connect an old ide disk to copy my old data from it, but when i plug it in i don't get any new disk devices? what should i do? |
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| 21:07.26 | torr | sometimes I loose my mouse clickability , does it happen to anyone else? is there a solution to this that gets it back? |
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| 21:08.45 | OpenTokix | jberg: sounds like you have your bios in sata-only mode |
| 21:09.00 | Tramp | agood-away: I suggest you use $() instead of backquotes (although it does not exactly refer to your question) |
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| 21:09.33 | Tramp | well, actually you didn't ask a question anyways. |
| 21:10.09 | agood-away | Tramp: :D I meant to ask, anyways. |
| 21:10.21 | agood-away | I wanted any suggestion> |
| 21:10.46 | Tramp | agood-away: great. Then my suggestion is, not to use backquotes for command substitution at all. |
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| 21:11.22 | agoodNando | Tramp: OK. |
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| 21:12.48 | agoodNando | Tramp: Anyway, something is misconfigured. And I don't have a clue what it is. |
| 21:13.12 | jberg | OpenTokix, hm maybe |
| 21:13.33 | jberg | but how can i see how a disk is partitoned, how large it is and how much space is used etc? |
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| 21:15.50 | Tramp | agoodNando: well, for me (on a swiss-german keyboard) ~, ^ and ` are all dead characters anyways. This has, to my best and insufficient knowledge something to do with the keyboard mapping (or keymap for short). But I don't know details. |
| 21:15.53 | Tramp | !keymap |
| 21:15.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 21:16.06 | Tramp | agoodNando: ^^ maybe that is helpful. |
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| 21:17.32 | agoodNando | "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" may help. Thanks. I'll try it out. |
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| 21:19.45 | Raylz | is 4.0r5 the last update for etch? |
| 21:20.00 | lostson | yes i believe so |
| 21:20.15 | dondelelcaro | Raylz: it's the most current, but there will likely be another |
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| 21:22.09 | djeday | smb know how to make wget go through isa proxy server with ntml auth ? |
| 21:24.54 | Raylz | which kernel does r5 use? |
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| 21:25.08 | hellues | hey |
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| 21:25.22 | hellues | how caan i fix debian bug #491059 |
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| 21:25.58 | hellues | initscripts: incorrect dependency for bootmisc.sh |
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| 21:26.36 | hellues | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?usertag=initscripts-ng-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org#_4_2_5 |
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| 21:30.52 | ReKlipz1 | I |
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| 21:31.41 | ReKlipz1 | I'm having issues with synergy and debian lenny. I found a bug report that says my issue is resolved in the latest version (the version i have), but it doesn't seem to be. What should i do? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495498 |
| 21:31.42 | djeday | smb advise me how to update machine through isa proxy with ntml auth |
| 21:32.25 | Strog_ | hi how do i change that the bash uses colors to indicate that the items that are listed are files directories etc |
| 21:32.27 | Strog_ | ?? |
| 21:32.50 | gcbirzan | ReKlipz1: Reopen the bug? |
| 21:33.25 | ReKlipz1 | gcbirzan: sure, i've just got no idea how to do that, I'm reading http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting at the moment |
| 21:33.49 | ReKlipz1 | gcbirzan: ah, it looks like i just reply and it is automatically reopened |
| 21:33.55 | gcbirzan | Mhm. |
| 21:33.59 | \amethyst | Strog_: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 21:34.13 | \amethyst | Strog_: type that in the shell, or put it in your ~/.bashrc |
| 21:34.30 | djeday | storg: export PS1="\[\033[03;34m\][\[\033[03;38m\]`whoami`@\h\[\033[03;34m\] \W ]\\$ \[\033[00m\]" |
| 21:34.34 | djeday | =) |
| 21:34.35 | gcbirzan | ReKlipz1: You might want http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe as well |
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| 21:35.01 | djeday | & alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 21:36.28 | Strog_ | \amethyst: are those backticks? |
| 21:36.33 | Strog_ | or normal ones? |
| 21:36.37 | \amethyst | Strog_: no, just single quotes |
| 21:36.45 | \amethyst | (double quotes would work, too) |
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| 21:39.41 | karrotx | i wonder if this is a record number of voters |
| 21:40.05 | karrotx | according to CNN at 16:32 EST they stated that 119,825,480 voted |
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| 21:40.28 | karrotx | the US pop is somewhere around 301,000,000; i'm not sure if that number includes children or those under the age of 18 |
| 21:40.29 | jelly-home | karrotx: #debian-offtopic is over there --> |
| 21:40.36 | karrotx | holy crap this is the wrong channel |
| 21:40.40 | karrotx | my apologies |
| 21:40.44 | jelly-home | np |
| 21:40.51 | ReKlipz1 | gcbirzan: bug is archived. can I still file a bug report to reopen it using reportbug? |
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| 21:47.06 | hellues | hey |
| 21:47.12 | hellues | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?usertag=initscripts-ng-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 21:47.22 | hellues | what about these bugs of debian |
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| 21:47.36 | hellues | this is fixed all bugs in that address |
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| 21:48.08 | pdbogen | Is there a way to request that the kernel drop me into the initramfs instead of continuing to boot? |
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| 21:49.33 | pdbogen | Ah, break. |
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| 21:51.19 | agoodNando | Which package contains xrdb ? Or xrdb is the package itself ? |
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| 21:52.31 | Tramp | agoodNando: apt-cache search xrdb |
| 21:52.52 | agoodNando | Tramp: I tried. I got nothing... |
| 21:53.07 | jelly-home | !+tell agoodNando -about search |
| 21:53.07 | dpkg | told agoodNando about search. |
| 21:53.15 | jelly-home | !find bin/xrdb etch |
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| 21:53.55 | jelly-home | dpkg: come on, tell us it's in xbase-clients already! |
| 21:53.55 | dpkg | jelly-home: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:54.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xrdb' (1): (/usr/bin/xrdb) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 21:54.56 | Tramp | oh. Then it moved in lenny |
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| 21:55.13 | jelly-home | !find bin/xrdb lenny |
| 21:56.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xrdb' (1): (/usr/bin/xrdb) in x11/x11-xserver-utils. |
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| 21:57.27 | jelly-home | agoodNando: next time you can use /msg dpkg find [stuff], or apt-file like dpkg (should have) told you, or packages.debian.org... |
| 21:58.04 | agoodNando | jelly-home: Sure. I just wrote this tips down. :) |
| 21:58.24 | agoodNando | Thanks. |
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| 21:58.44 | Supercazzora | hi |
| 21:58.48 | agoodNando | I'm really enjoying my Debian odyssey :) |
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| 21:59.19 | Supercazzora | please I got problem with mic on a compaq laptop: f780el -> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1) |
| 22:00.25 | Supercazzora | mic is detected but didn't work... |
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| 22:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, open alsamixer, unmute all channels (switch with tab to micro settings), set volume to 70%, set capture flag (i think with space) on the microphone (try all combinations) |
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| 22:03.02 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, it didn't work! |
| 22:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah, and if there are channels called ICE985 or something mute them |
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| 22:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, you probably didnt set the capture flag correctly |
| 22:03.42 | Supercazzora | ok |
| 22:03.53 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, alsamixer or kmix? |
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| 22:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsamixer... for well - I suppose you use alsa now (as most people seem to [have to] do so these days) |
| 22:04.55 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, I got, on alsamixer: [Playback] Capture All |
| 22:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not playback |
| 22:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | capture |
| 22:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | my |
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| 22:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | read what I wrote |
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| 22:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | switch with tab to microphone devices |
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| 22:05.48 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, Digital, Docking, External, Internal |
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| 22:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/record.html |
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| 22:09.14 | \amethyst | :split | r !shellcommand |
| 22:09.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:10.26 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, pressing space key won't set capture on the mic |
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| 22:10.54 | timur | hey do you guys know what package the fcntl module in python lives? |
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| 22:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, did you read http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/record.html ? |
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| 22:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !search |
| 22:11.32 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 22:11.34 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 22:11.54 | Supercazzora | CutMeOwnThroat, Set 'Mic' control to capture by pressing the 'spacebar' key on keyboard; |
| 22:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, I don't really know more than what's on that page :) worked like a treat for me (although only the 2nd time I went through it) |
| 22:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supercazzora, and actually I have to set the capture flag on a "Capture" channel for my audio hardware - so try a few alternatives |
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| 22:13.10 | \amethyst | timur: it's part of the standard python distribution, so probably the package python2.4 or python2.5 |
| 22:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | timur, tthe apt-file bit is for you and should answer this |
| 22:13.54 | timur | CutMeOwnThroat, tell me what file it lives in then. I can't find it in /usr/lib/python2.5 |
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| 22:14.36 | \amethyst | timur: aha, it's actually in python2.5-minimal |
| 22:14.42 | \amethyst | timur: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/fcntl.so |
| 22:14.52 | timur | CutMeOwnThroat, and apt-cache search python fcntl or apt-cache search fcntl doesn't do anything, so stop being a jerk |
| 22:14.56 | timur | \amethyst, thanks a bunch |
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| 22:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | timur, apt-file != apt-cache - read the factoid I let dpkg recite |
| 22:15.20 | dlp | if i want to set up my own mail server which normally is best when having your own reverse dns, should i make the reverse dns to mydomain.com or mail.mydomain.com if i set up my own dns server also, i.e. is it fine to just set it to mydomain.com a PTR record and then through my own dns server ns1.mydomain.com which i run on the mail server setup mail.mydomain.com , then i wont get spam blocked sending out from mail.mydomain.com would I? |
| 22:15.37 | \amethyst | timur: I used apt-file search fcntl | grep python |
| 22:16.01 | timur | \amethyst, thanks |
| 22:16.52 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows why "sudo /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart" is not working? |
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| 22:17.28 | baggend | aarkerio: Are you getting an error? |
| 22:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you don't have sudo installed? |
| 22:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you don't have postgresql-8.3 in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:18.31 | \amethyst | dlp: the only way you can change the reverse DNS is by being authoritative for your IP block |
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| 22:18.49 | \amethyst | dlp: (not just the domain) |
| 22:18.59 | aarkerio | no, just I can't see any postgres process |
| 22:19.04 | aarkerio | I get : Starting PostgreSQL 8.3 database server: main. |
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| 22:19.46 | Rideh | general question, swap space isnt used by linux after the system is powered down right? (is it used by hibernate and i'm assuming used for standby) |
| 22:20.05 | aarkerio | I need starts pgsql with potmaster -D $data_dir and all that stuff |
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| 22:20.56 | baggend | aarkerio: Does "pgrep -lf postgres" show any running postgres processes? |
| 22:20.58 | \amethyst | dlp: but as long as you can get the reverse to point to one of the machine's hostnames, you'll be fine |
| 22:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | aarkerio, put -x after #!/bin/bash in /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 and re-run to see the command to start and/or try to start it manually, look in dmesg output and /var/log/messages for errors when you start it |
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| 22:21.39 | gnat_x | i'm using lenny, and my networking has stopped working. i'm gett the error "ADDCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready" the other weird thing that i noticed is that as soon as the kernel begins loading, the activity light turns on and stays lit constantly. |
| 22:21.41 | timur | Rideh, it is used by hibernate |
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| 22:21.46 | baggend | dlp: You'll also want to make sure to set up an SPF record. More and more mail servers are checking it these days. |
| 22:21.54 | aarkerio | I'm on lenny BTW |
| 22:22.04 | timur | Rideh, with standby it's used if you had any pages paged out to disk |
| 22:22.08 | stew | aarkerio: instead of editing the file, run "bash -x /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart" |
| 22:22.10 | gnat_x | the i |
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| 22:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | true :) |
| 22:22.21 | ReKlipz1 | gcbirzan: I sent a bug report using my email account (it was output from reportbug so it's properly formatted) however, it failed to deliver.... |
| 22:22.26 | gnat_x | i'm gettting the same error for my wireless card as well. |
| 22:22.53 | gnat_x | i have tried three different kernel versions with no change. |
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| 22:23.36 | koopsta | force fsck on boot? |
| 22:23.42 | aarkerio | mmm, maybe is a sudo stuff because root user indeed can restart |
| 22:24.17 | koopsta | how can i force fsck on boot? |
| 22:24.21 | koopsta | once |
| 22:24.24 | aarkerio | thx! |
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| 22:24.30 | koopsta | i want to reboot my server and have it fsck |
| 22:24.30 | stew | koopsta: touch /forcefsck |
| 22:24.31 | Rideh | timur: thanks, i'm making a demo machine that will have 7 os installs i'm thinking about reusing home & swap partitions between them.. good or bad idea? |
| 22:24.33 | koopsta | cheers |
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| 22:25.08 | stew | koopsta: or add -F to the shutdown command |
| 22:25.16 | stew | (which does the same thing) |
| 22:25.28 | functor | anyone know why linux-image-2.6.26-1-ixp4xx on debian arm doesnt have cdc_acm.ko? |
| 22:25.37 | functor | previous kernels did |
| 22:25.48 | functor | and x86 one does |
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| 22:27.33 | dlp | baggend: spf record? |
| 22:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rideh, swap shouldn't be a problem unless you hibernate, I would think - |
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| 22:28.09 | baggend | dlp: Sender Policy Framework. Wikipedia has a good intro article. |
| 22:28.27 | baggend | dlp: It's basically just a specially formatted TXT record in DNS. |
| 22:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rideh, for home, you will run into permanent version messages when switching, as each software will most probably have a different version between distributions and will detect the version change of the configuration files in $HOME |
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| 22:29.24 | Rideh | CutMeOwnThroat: ok good to know, is there a way around that short of removing those checks or should i just have seperate homes? |
| 22:29.46 | Rideh | 2 of the os's will be edubuntu and 3 will be debian |
| 22:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rideh, for most programs this will not be serious, though, just annoying... but expect problems in this direction when sharing /home (the same problem also of course occurs when you share /home via nfs between non-identical machines) |
| 22:29.55 | Rideh | so those would probably be safe to share? |
| 22:30.13 | Rideh | CutMeOwnThroat: ah gotcha |
| 22:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/permanent/repeatedly happening/ |
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| 22:31.56 | gnat_x | be -r ath9k && modprobe ath9k, which is a pain). |
| 22:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, when I had 2 different Debian systems with KDE share the same home via NFS, suddenly in one all icons and things were missing |
| 22:32.40 | functor | no one knows about cdc_acm? :S |
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| 22:43.34 | hellues | hey |
| 22:43.38 | hellues | i am using prelink |
| 22:43.41 | rebel_kid | how can i get basic info about a file in CLI, just like size |
| 22:43.43 | hellues | and i took |
| 22:43.49 | hellues | /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: /usr/bin/glxheads: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 22:44.02 | hellues | are there someone who have knowledge about that |
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| 22:46.53 | gcbirzan | rebel_kid: stat? |
| 22:47.04 | streuner | what TZ is texas? |
| 22:47.41 | rebel_kid | gcbirzan, does not provide size |
| 22:47.48 | gcbirzan | Does too |
| 22:48.38 | rebel_kid | sry typo |
| 22:49.50 | stew | streuner: it depends on the city |
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| 22:50.17 | stew | streuner: most of texas is cst, but some cities (at least el paso) are mst |
| 22:50.31 | streuner | fuck |
| 22:51.29 | streuner | stew: thanks |
| 22:51.30 | hellues | hey |
| 22:51.39 | hellues | are there someone who us prelink |
| 22:51.43 | hellues | use* |
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| 22:58.40 | acidslep | How to find current color depth of X please! |
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| 22:59.29 | stew | acidslep: xdpyinfo |
| 22:59.38 | Duk_work | question |
| 22:59.45 | Duk_work | i made a tarball of the system |
| 22:59.58 | acidslep | Hah! Thanks! |
| 23:00.00 | Duk_work | to move it to another system |
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| 23:00.29 | Duk_work | i also used sfdisk -d /dev/sda > part.save |
| 23:00.32 | Duk_work | and everything |
| 23:01.06 | Duk_work | when i unpacked it in a different server, grub started giving me error 2 |
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| 23:01.53 | Duk_work | i load up a livecd, mount proc and dev to it, chroot in, source /etc/profile, run grub, used find to make sure i was IDing the drive correctly... etc... installed grub again, still no go |
| 23:02.03 | Duk_work | is there something i am missing? |
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| 23:06.53 | ricosecada | I have just added a new domain to my webhost, my isp haven't updated their dns yet, I have a local bind server running. Is it possible for my to manually add the domain/ip so that I can access the site for work? |
| 23:07.17 | petemc | you could do that with yoru hosts file |
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| 23:08.25 | ocioso | hi |
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| 23:08.52 | ricosecada | petemc, I tried that, but I just get the default site on the host then. |
| 23:11.06 | funkja | I'm using a crap old version of debian on an arm board (can't update it -sorry - Linux ts7000 2.4.26-ts11 #35 Thu Jul 6 15:44:29 MST 2006 armv4l GNU/Linux). I have device that registers as a 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port and is mounted automatically with devfs. How can I find out the settings that it is using for the serial port - i.e. baud rate, flow control, etc. Or the configuration options that it is using to do th |
| 23:11.06 | funkja | e usb->serial conversions. |
| 23:11.20 | petemc | ricosecada: then you need to look at the issue on the host |
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| 23:12.19 | ricosecada | petemc, not really. The hosts file will just forward the client to the IP, but since the IP of the host has a default site, the default site will appear, it is just like entering the IP manually in the browser. |
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| 23:13.13 | petemc | ricosecada: and the difference with using bind? |
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| 23:14.00 | ricosecada | petemc, look it up, u'll see. |
| 23:14.11 | petemc | look what up? |
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| 23:17.46 | unop | anyone know how to have ntfs-3g used over the ntfs kernel driver when automatically mounting ntfs volumes? |
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| 23:19.11 | petemc | unop: tell hal or whatever it is doing the automatic mounting to use ntfs-3g |
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| 23:24.09 | rebel_kid | ok... i have my debian virtual machine setup to start automatically, now can i get a command to be run automatically on startup? it has to be done as a specific user |
| 23:24.29 | rebel_kid | and if the process is extraordinarily complex i will just do it by hand |
| 23:24.41 | stew | rebel_kid: add an @reboot cron job for that user |
| 23:24.53 | koollman | rebel_kid: the command has to be run inside the virtual machine ? |
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| 23:25.29 | rebel_kid | koollman, the debian box is the virtual machine, so yes technically but it makes no difference to the OS |
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| 23:25.46 | rebel_kid | stew, ty |
| 23:26.01 | baggend | rebel_kid: The @reboot cron task is going to be easiest option. You could also set up an init script but that would take additional effort. |
| 23:26.57 | gabriel | when i try to enable compiz it says xgl is not present |
| 23:27.10 | rebel_kid | baggend, perfect its a really simple script :) now it would be run after all other startup items correct? |
| 23:27.21 | rebel_kid | baggend, and not require a login by that user? |
| 23:28.16 | baggend | rebel_kid: Yup, just make sure you add it to that user's crontab, and not to root's (or some other user's). Cron is typically one of the very last services to start, so any tasks would get run after everything else is already up and running. |
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| 23:29.27 | rebel_kid | baggend, perfect :) no more ssh'ing in after every reboot |
| 23:29.39 | stew | rebel_kid: no, i believe it would run when cron starts, not necessarily after all other starup items |
| 23:29.40 | baggend | rebel_kid: (Keep in mind also that cron runs in a limited environment, specifically with regards to PATH. Check 'man 5 crontab' for more info.) |
| 23:30.20 | baggend | stew: That's true, but cron has a priority of 89 by default, so it's close to the end of the startup process. |
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| 23:30.35 | rebel_kid | stew, when does cron start, i need this to run after mysql server and others |
| 23:30.50 | rebel_kid | baggend, great path problems? |
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| 23:31.26 | baggend | rebel_kid: Look in /etc/rc2.d. All the tasks are S##name. They get run in numerical order. So as long as cron has a higher number than mysql, for example, it'll start after it. |
| 23:31.38 | rebel_kid | ok |
| 23:31.39 | stew | rebel_kid: cron starts near the end, after mysql, but before apache. if you need it to run last, you'll have to run it from rc.local, and you'll have to switch users using su or sudo or start-stop-daemon or some such |
| 23:32.00 | stew | rebel_kid: "ls /etc/rc2.d | pager" should show you what order they start in |
| 23:32.14 | rebel_kid | stew, dont use apache :) lighttpd is much better :) but the script is not webserver dependant anyway |
| 23:32.32 | baggend | rebel_kid: By default, cron tasks only have /usr/bin:/bin in the PATH. So if you're running a custom script from /usr/local/bin, for example, you'd need to either use the full path in the cronjob, or give it a PATH first. |
| 23:33.47 | rebel_kid | baggend, yeah im running from /usr/bin/mbb im going to have to check how python gets paths otherwise i may have to edit |
| 23:34.30 | rebel_kid | might just deal with ssh'ing and manually starting and detaching every reboot, only reboot a couple times a month anyway |
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| 23:34.45 | baggend | rebel_kid: If it's in "/usr/bin" everything will just work. |
| 23:35.09 | rebel_kid | baggend, even if it calls files in other directories, specifically the users home directory |
| 23:35.16 | baggend | rebel_kid: Best thing to do would be to try it and see if it works. Then, if not, come back here. :) |
| 23:35.21 | rebel_kid | :) |
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| 23:36.12 | rebel_kid | yeah i will give it a try, debian never gave me any big problems in the past :) |
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| 23:41.17 | pippijn | qq |
| 23:41.56 | rebel_kid | crud, im using SFTP (openSSH) to connect to my debian box, it only has public key authentication enabled, i have disconnected the external network (for security) how can i temporarily enable password authentication ( i forgot :( ) |
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| 23:50.01 | baggend | rebel_kid: /etc/ssh/sshd_config, set PasswordAuthentication to yes and restart ssh. (/etc/init.d/ssh restart) |
| 23:50.13 | baggend | (edit sshd_config that is) |
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| 23:51.46 | rebel_kid | ty |
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