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| 00:01.42 | cmanns_ | Hey guys |
| 00:01.46 | cmanns_ | What can cause this |
| 00:01.48 | cmanns_ | RX packets:6884765656 errors:6080 dropped:23272 overruns:1341 frame:0 |
| 00:01.50 | cmanns_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:03.49 | Gm4n | how can I tell which raid disk is being resychronized? I'm looking at /proc/mdstat, and it isn't making much sense to me |
| 00:04.24 | n3kl | Gm4n: mdadm --detail /dev/mdm? |
| 00:05.02 | Gm4n | thanks, n3kl :) |
| 00:05.09 | n3kl | sure |
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| 00:05.28 | Gm4n | hmm, is it possible that both devices are resyncing at the same time? |
| 00:05.30 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 00:05.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:05.52 | acidslep | i like how that is more than 2 lines |
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| 00:06.08 | stew | acidslep: its 1 |
| 00:06.15 | jonkri_ | is there a way to ask apt which deb package owns a specific binary? |
| 00:06.19 | dmoerner | acidslep, the point is two separate lines in terms of having a hard newline between them. |
| 00:06.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell jonkri_ -about search |
| 00:06.25 | dmoerner | Jonbo, dpkg -S file |
| 00:06.27 | n3kl | Gm4n: its generally the entire raid that is resyncing because of some inconsistency |
| 00:06.28 | Gm4n | n3kl: can you take a quick peek? http://paste.debian.net/20784/ |
| 00:06.30 | acidslep | roight, sorry. |
| 00:06.34 | jonkri_ | thanks |
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| 00:06.48 | Pio | apt-file search if its a file you dont have on your system |
| 00:07.14 | n3kl | Gm4n: hard to say |
| 00:07.28 | n3kl | Gm4n: though, I would let it run for sure |
| 00:07.30 | jonkri_ | dondelelcaro: just says "not found" on every file |
| 00:07.39 | jonkri_ | dmoerner even |
| 00:07.51 | Gm4n | n3kl: oh, I'm certainly letting it run, I just want to know how to make this stop happening |
| 00:08.03 | dondelelcaro | jonkri_: if you don't have that package installed, use apt-file. Read what dpkg told you |
| 00:08.13 | dondelelcaro | jonkri_: or use /msg dpkg find; or use packages.debian.org. |
| 00:08.15 | jonkri_ | i have it installed. oh thanks, i will |
| 00:08.21 | n3kl | Gm4n: it should stop when its finished =] |
| 00:08.25 | n3kl | Gm4n: does this reoccur? |
| 00:08.29 | Gm4n | yes, it does |
| 00:08.40 | n3kl | Gm4n: how often? read logs? |
| 00:09.52 | Gm4n | n3kl: it happens whenver my server dies, which is between twice a day (today) and about once a month |
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| 00:10.13 | Gm4n | I don't have anything that should cause instability, but it's hard to prove to my hosting company |
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| 00:10.49 | adrenaline | I have nis set up on my debian client but it won't make a home directory upon first login anybody have any suggestions? |
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| 00:11.05 | adrenaline | What am I missing? |
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| 00:11.29 | adrenaline | Could it be that my master server is Centos? |
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| 00:13.02 | giantrobot | where is the best place to define environment varibles... i.e. classpath |
| 00:13.30 | Gm4n | what would cause all the MARKs in syslog to stop? (seems to happen when system goes down) |
| 00:13.37 | Gm4n | is that a possible symptom of a hard drive failure? |
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| 00:14.06 | c2b | quick, how can i watch/snoop on a user thats connected via ssh on my box (i am root) |
| 00:14.14 | c2b | please help me :D |
| 00:14.22 | n3kl | Gm4n: no |
| 00:14.33 | c2b | i tried ttysnoop, but it wont connet to pst/3 (which is listed in 'who') |
| 00:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, "when system goes down"? |
| 00:15.12 | n3kl | Gm4n: MARK is just syslogs way of saying, hey, I'm still here. I turn if off. -m 0 in the /etc/default/syslog... |
| 00:15.17 | Gm4n | the system stops responding to the outside world, but it's still running to some degree (I have a remote console) |
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| 00:15.35 | n3kl | Gm4n: check out smartmon tools to scan the disk for SMART problems |
| 00:15.38 | Gm4n | the console doesn't respond, but I can see a little scrollback |
| 00:15.41 | n3kl | er, smartmontools |
| 00:16.13 | c2b | any one know ? |
| 00:16.15 | n3kl | Gm4n: if your system is locking, that is likely the cause of the forced rebuild in mdadm |
| 00:16.28 | Gm4n | all I know is that the box stops even MARKing, and it also has a resync on the forced reboot |
| 00:16.34 | n3kl | c2b: why won't it connect? |
| 00:16.41 | c2b | i dunno |
| 00:16.54 | c2b | root@ns363722:/home/c2b# who |
| 00:16.54 | c2b | angela pts/0 |
| 00:16.57 | c2b | root@ns363722:/home/c2b# ttysnoop pts/0 |
| 00:16.57 | c2b | can't connect to server |
| 00:16.58 | n3kl | errors? Commands? |
| 00:17.13 | c2b | thats it rigth there |
| 00:17.14 | c2b | :) |
| 00:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | c2b, ttysnoop can only run for logins that are set up to use it (?) |
| 00:17.44 | Gm4n | n3kl: smartmontools is a no-go: "Device does not support SMART" |
| 00:17.54 | n3kl | damn |
| 00:17.55 | n3kl | sorry |
| 00:18.47 | initq | hello |
| 00:19.34 | Gm4n | n3kl: any other ideas? I have to prod reluctant techies into doing anything, so I have to know where to look :-/ |
| 00:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, what's "a little scrollback" and how does it tell you that the system is "still running to some degree"? |
| 00:21.08 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I could be wrong, but I think I wouldn't see anything in the console if it wasn't running at all. All I can see: http://paste.debian.net/20785/ |
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| 00:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, usually, if the system doesn't even react to ping (or keystrokes/show messages etc which you can't access) I'd call it dead :) |
| 00:23.45 | Gm4n | when I look in syslog, I see http://paste.debian.net/20786/ (marks, then nothing until system reboot) |
| 00:23.51 | Gm4n | fair enough, it's dead =) |
| 00:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you reduce processor speed? |
| 00:24.25 | Gm4n | how do I do that? |
| 00:24.33 | Gm4n | (no bios access, if that's what you're asking) |
| 00:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think harddisk is so likely - more likely is an overclocked processor (i.e. a bad processor batch) or bad memory |
| 00:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, that's why I asked if you can do it :) |
| 00:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | run ... wossname... memtest? |
| 00:25.43 | Gm4n | memtest all? |
| 00:25.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | memtest86 or memtest86+ or memtester ... hell, there are too many of these guys and I've never needed to use any |
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| 00:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or didn't know about them back when I would have needed them) |
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| 00:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also "stress" |
| 00:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might be able to reduce processor speed dynamically... I can do it on my laptop - but that has a pentium M.... |
| 00:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if that's a general feature or depends on some laptop hardware |
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| 00:29.58 | cmanns_ | ANybody know what would cause those errors under ifconfig? |
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| 00:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | those errors |
| 00:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 00:30.35 | cmanns_ | Last time i was getting bad packet loss on my server like this it was it overheating, we dropped in a 6,000 rpm fan and ive been running burnk7 the cpu temp is 74c yet the errors dont raise |
| 00:30.41 | cmanns_ | RX packets:6884765656 errors:6080 dropped:23272 overruns:1341 frame:0 |
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| 00:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a lot of dropped packages also |
| 00:32.01 | cmanns_ | the firewall would do that right? |
| 00:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | RX packets:5584663 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
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| 00:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, yeah - if you configured that, it might |
| 00:32.41 | cmanns_ | it just started happening recently though havent touched the firewall in along time so thats prolly normal |
| 00:32.50 | Gm4n | thanks, CutMeOwnThroat and n3kl. I'm going to email and complain, with lots of log snippets. |
| 00:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would think packets would also get dropped if there are more packets than the card/the system can deal with |
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| 00:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, I think processor/memory is most likely, but could of course also be the board... |
| 00:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, graphics card is not so probable, I guess :) |
| 00:33.47 | cmanns_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah theres alot of packet loss |
| 00:33.50 | cmanns_ | just to that server :S |
| 00:33.51 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure there isn't one :) |
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| 00:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, yeah :) - but also check processor temperature, perhaps |
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| 00:34.27 | Gm4n | tried already, system doesn't support that either |
| 00:34.31 | Gm4n | it's pretty cheap hardware |
| 00:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it's strange - couldn't get that to work for my laptop either |
| 00:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an ICH6 chipset which is/should be supported, but sensors-detect doesn't find it |
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| 00:51.36 | enouf | Gm4n: heck ATA-4 spec drives support SMART - what up with that? |
| 00:51.59 | Gm4n | doesn't know much about hardware, but will wikipedia ata |
| 00:52.25 | enouf | Gm4n: did you run smart on the drive? or on the mdX? |
| 00:52.28 | enouf | do the drive |
| 00:52.38 | Gm4n | I tried on both sda and sdb :( |
| 00:52.46 | enouf | hdparm -I /dev/sda |
| 00:53.04 | enouf | should tell you if it supports smart |
| 00:53.24 | Gm4n | hdparm: command not found |
| 00:53.36 | enouf | Gm4n: there's also a way to resync faster ... wtf? install it |
| 00:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | as root... /sbin/hdparm |
| 00:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or install it... |
| 00:53.46 | enouf | right - root |
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| 00:54.14 | Gm4n | hmm, says "SMART feature set" |
| 00:54.30 | enouf | Gm4n: also, keep in mind /etc/cron.d/mdadm and /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 00:55.25 | Gm4n | neither of those look particularly relevant to SMART |
| 00:55.48 | Gm4n | why would smartmontools not see smart? |
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| 00:57.17 | enouf | Gm4n: from waht i can tell from one of your pastes, you have 2x80GB drives as md1, and your resync speed is a whopping 1.7M/sec ... ;-) |
| 00:57.35 | Gm4n | 2x160gb |
| 00:57.58 | enouf | Gm4n: no no, those files weren't meant to concern smart - but your other original issue |
| 00:58.33 | enouf | ok, right raid1 - duh |
| 00:58.44 | enouf | so - 160G drives have SMART |
| 00:58.49 | Gm4n | ah, neither has been modified, and both look pretty basic |
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| 01:00.51 | enouf | so, check if your /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}/* are coming into play ... figure out why your system is locking up - try various things mentioned in /msg dpkg hardware problem |
| 01:01.54 | enouf | also, there's a file in /proc/sys/ or something to help speed up resyncing - i forget where/which .. see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and google maybe .. when have you last ran a fsck? |
| 01:03.00 | Gm4n | can I fsck the root filesystem? |
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| 01:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if your calculated resync speed depended on the disk size, it's a whopping 3.4M/sec instead |
| 01:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 01:03.24 | Gm4n | meaning what, exactly? |
| 01:03.34 | enouf | yes, you reboot into doing it - but be cautious - any rebooting could mean disaster |
| 01:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, if you can mount it r/o, sure you can fsck it |
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| 01:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
| 01:04.22 | enouf | have you never fsck your system? wtf? |
| 01:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just do mount / -o remount,ro then fsck |
| 01:04.44 | enouf | which FS is this? |
| 01:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf == world trade fenter |
| 01:04.57 | Gm4n | enouf: /dev/md1, which is mounted on / |
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| 01:05.24 | enouf | where is your /boot ? |
| 01:05.32 | enouf | within that array? |
| 01:05.36 | Gm4n | yes |
| 01:06.05 | Gm4n | thanks, CutMeOwnThroat. Then when I reboot, it will remount r/w automatically? |
| 01:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can just go back |
| 01:07.17 | enouf | well, touch /forcefsck, then reboot normally .. or .. (and make BACKUPs! prior - and do it when someone is going to be physically there in the datacenter/hosting co) |
| 01:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but rather often / refuses to be remounted ro because it's still used |
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| 01:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... that's a bit of a mis....configuration or whatever |
| 01:07.50 | enouf | but also - check your /etc/fstab entries (man fstab) - see 6th field |
| 01:08.03 | jpinx | sheeesh -- running aptitude full-upgrade for etch->lenny is telling me it'll take 14 hours :( |
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| 01:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you start X, it'll have / as working directory... but even if you shut it down, bash still has it as working directory |
| 01:08.25 | enouf | jpinx: you've been upgrading for a week now it seems :-/ |
| 01:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | roots bash, that is... |
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| 01:09.01 | [agatha] | some keys in my keyboard wont work.. (fn , prt screen...) any idea why? |
| 01:09.08 | jpinx | enouf - this is the 4th upgrade |
| 01:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess one can to to /tmp or /home or whatever is on a different partition and then do "exec bash" ... and hopefully / stops being used |
| 01:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this has annoyed me more than once :0 |
| 01:09.24 | enouf | [agatha]: in console? |
| 01:09.36 | [agatha] | no enouf in the system... nor in gnome or kde |
| 01:10.04 | enouf | [agatha]: configured keyboard correctly? using etch? |
| 01:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | remount,ro should just report disk full or whatever to processes that have a file/directory open if they try to write, but having something open with write access shouldnt prevent the remount |
| 01:10.24 | [agatha] | im using lenny/sid so it says... but they keyboard layout is the polish as it should be |
| 01:10.37 | [agatha] | yet i tried to install etch... |
| 01:10.55 | enouf | on top of lenny/sid? |
| 01:10.56 | Gm4n | I don't have anything besides md1 for filesystems |
| 01:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, on the same machine? |
| 01:11.34 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: on different hard drives |
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| 01:11.41 | Gm4n | what happens if I touch /forcefsck and fsck asks questions? |
| 01:11.41 | [agatha] | no no enouf my original installation was etch ..t hats the one i downloaded but at some point no idea when it displays lenny/sid |
| 01:11.52 | [agatha] | maybe updating or something no idea enouf |
| 01:11.56 | enouf | [agatha]: after you've upgraded |
| 01:12.26 | [agatha] | yeah enouf probably i upgraded but it wasnt conscious... it was lenny/sid from the beggining |
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| 01:12.35 | [agatha] | but i am sure i downloaded etch |
| 01:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, should have used something like apt-proxy or approx or apt-cacher then, I guess |
| 01:12.40 | enouf | [agatha]: you would've needed to alter your sources.list to either include lenny or you changed etch to lenny |
| 01:12.55 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: never come across them |
| 01:13.03 | enouf | [agatha]: is that a laptop? |
| 01:13.05 | [agatha] | the only point i altered sources.list was to install kde4 repos |
| 01:13.07 | [agatha] | yeap enouf |
| 01:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, ... to buffer your downloaded .debs, so you don't have to get them multiple times from the net |
| 01:13.27 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: frankly it is quicker to set up the full-upgrade and then get on with life ;) |
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| 01:13.45 | enouf | [agatha]: try xev to see if the keys even work - in console use showkey - use xmodmap -ppk to show keymapping, /msg dpkg keymap |
| 01:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, *you* complained |
| 01:14.05 | enouf | [agatha]: /msg dpkg laptop (try to find your make/model and any issues) |
| 01:14.14 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a mountain of reading and learning to do if I am going to do anything but the simplest (and slowest) thing |
| 01:14.22 | [agatha] | im lost enouf |
| 01:14.28 | [agatha] | i didnt got much of what you said |
| 01:14.29 | enouf | Gm4n: it shouldn't - especially look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you can still probably copy /var/cache/archives/* to the new drive (which might save you some time depending on your connection to the internet) |
| 01:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and would save some bandwidth) |
| 01:15.09 | Gm4n | aha, thanks enouf =) |
| 01:15.09 | enouf | Gm4n: but i would wait until syncing is complete |
| 01:15.14 | Gm4n | sync is complete |
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| 01:15.45 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: ok - but i am sufficiently inexpert to probably fuck that up ;) |
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| 01:17.00 | gewt | >< |
| 01:17.08 | gewt | i got no space left no device errors... |
| 01:17.11 | gewt | not good... |
| 01:17.26 | jpinx | is it possible to do a net install of lenny direct - without installing etch and then upgrading? |
| 01:17.35 | enouf | yep |
| 01:17.47 | dmoerner | jpinx, yes, just grab a lenny beta 2 netinst or boot an etch business card with expert mode |
| 01:17.57 | enouf | see /devel/debian-installer in the di factoid |
| 01:17.59 | gewt | :S I have no space left in / |
| 01:18.09 | gewt | 0.00KB free |
| 01:18.19 | jpinx | dmoerner: cool -- and can I do the same into testing? |
| 01:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, apt-get clean (if /var is on that disk) |
| 01:18.21 | gewt | used 258.25MB |
| 01:18.33 | gewt | /var is seperate |
| 01:18.38 | dmoerner | jpinx, lenny is testing. what is your question exactly? |
| 01:18.53 | enouf | your / is 258MB? |
| 01:18.57 | jpinx | sorry dmoerner I meant unstable |
| 01:19.10 | dmoerner | jpinx, yes, if you boot the cds in expert mode |
| 01:19.13 | enouf | no, and yes, but don't |
| 01:19.16 | jpinx | whose name I can never remember |
| 01:19.29 | gewt | / is less than 300MB |
| 01:19.29 | dmoerner | sid |
| 01:19.33 | gewt | 258MB to be exact |
| 01:19.34 | enouf | ... |
| 01:19.41 | jpinx | :) |
| 01:19.45 | enouf | might want to expand that ;-) |
| 01:19.50 | gewt | yeah... |
| 01:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* enouf that seems to be pretty much the same setup as some guy 2 days or so ago - separate / which pretty much only contains /boot /etc ... and so on with /var /usr and everything separate |
| 01:20.02 | gewt | thats what i did |
| 01:20.06 | enouf | heh |
| 01:20.13 | enouf | talk about guided partitiong? |
| 01:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | , the psychic |
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| 01:20.16 | gewt | i use everythign in a seperate paetition |
| 01:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | blaeh |
| 01:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, and now you learned why it's not such a good idea :) |
| 01:20.40 | gewt | mhm |
| 01:20.41 | enouf | !8ball award CutMeOwnThroat the carnak crown |
| 01:20.41 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 01:20.51 | gewt | i shoudl rmeove my useless kernels |
| 01:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:21.13 | enouf | you should be planning a resizing strategy too |
| 01:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, you can use gdmap to get a graphical representation of the diskspace used - which might throw up some surprising corefile or whatnot |
| 01:22.25 | Gm4n | enouf or CutMeOwnThroat: so I'm going to touch /forcefsck and set FSCKFIX to yes in rcS? |
| 01:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, also apt-get remove --purge linux-image-some.old.version |
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| 01:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | FSCKFIX? |
| 01:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:23.50 | Gm4n | "Set FSCKFIX to "yes" if you want to add "-y" to the fsck at startup." |
| 01:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, but why don't you fsck manually? As you don't have direct access, that should be better than fsck on reboot, because you actually see the output |
| 01:24.32 | enouf | Gm4n: ya know, i don't think i've had to alter that from FSCKFIX=no default - but i also used tune2fs to make it fsck on every X amt of boots |
| 01:24.43 | gewt | wow |
| 01:24.46 | gewt | a kernel sued like |
| 01:24.49 | gewt | a lot of space |
| 01:24.50 | gewt | used* |
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| 01:25.13 | gewt | now to remove some header files... |
| 01:25.23 | enouf | Gm4n: and / in /etc/fstab is set to 1 (6th field) .. all others are either 0 or 2 |
| 01:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, oh, you mean kernel sources? |
| 01:25.45 | gewt | yeha |
| 01:25.57 | gewt | for kernels i just removed |
| 01:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | not surprising... but those should be in /usr/src? |
| 01:26.12 | gewt | yeah |
| 01:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so separately mounte? |
| 01:26.27 | gewt | /usr is 70% used |
| 01:26.29 | enouf | Gm4n: i don't want to be responsible for mucking up your system - so choose wisely ;-) (i did mention BACKUP! right?) |
| 01:26.31 | gewt | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah |
| 01:26.38 | gewt | 44% usage in / |
| 01:26.49 | Gm4n | enouf: you did, but backup isn't too possible |
| 01:27.03 | Gm4n | fsck wouldn't nuke my files, would it? |
| 01:27.12 | [agatha] | oook another thing not working... my microphone (integrated) and the webcam (logitech integrated) do not work either... any ideas? |
| 01:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, I only have / and /home - a separate /tmp might have been useful, but I even skipped that :) |
| 01:27.23 | enouf | it could .. and move them into /lost+found even - which FS is this? |
| 01:27.26 | gewt | i do have a seperate /tmp |
| 01:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and it didn't become a problem ever in practice yet) |
| 01:27.39 | Gm4n | enouf: ext3 |
| 01:27.54 | enouf | Gm4n: try dumpe2fs -h /dev/md1 to check metadata info |
| 01:27.54 | gewt | my partition setup is listed at http://home.mostlynothing.co.cc/sysinfo/ |
| 01:28.06 | enouf | Gm4n: tune2fs -l does the same |
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| 01:29.07 | Gm4n | enouf: what metadata info am I look at? |
| 01:29.11 | infamous | hi debian. |
| 01:29.14 | enouf | [agatha]: hrm - i don;t know - are you using alsamixer? |
| 01:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, you have too little space overall for the system - you will continue to run into problems |
| 01:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | remember, I'm a psychic ;) |
| 01:29.40 | enouf | [agatha]: is your system setup to use alsa? .. install alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 01:29.44 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: so I just need to clear out some files? |
| 01:29.50 | [agatha] | yeah enouf alsamixer |
| 01:29.59 | Gm4n | I don't think so, df -h says 39G available |
| 01:30.25 | enouf | [agatha]: /msg dpkg alsa checklist - but maybe it's a webcam module you need? no idea really about those - try #video4linux ? |
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| 01:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, argh, sorry - not you - I meant gewt |
| 01:30.55 | enouf | Gm4n: general date/times and state of FS |
| 01:30.59 | creative2bad | I was wondering if someone could pretty please walk me through adding a second ip address on to my box.. |
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| 01:31.23 | [agatha] | enouf, to be honest i am more interested in the micro... need it to call home with skype the cam... ive never used yet, just noticed it didnt work |
| 01:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok - gewt, (NOT Gm4n), you have too little space overall for the system - you will continue to run into problems .... |
| 01:31.28 | [agatha] | but the micro -.- |
| 01:31.37 | gewt | CutMeOwnThroat, k. |
| 01:31.41 | enouf | [agatha]: gah - skype! |
| 01:31.52 | gewt | I do have plenty of space for /home though... |
| 01:32.00 | [agatha] | enouf, the only thing whch allows me to call home from a reasonable price |
| 01:32.06 | [agatha] | not that i love it, but... |
| 01:32.07 | gewt | well for what the system does |
| 01:32.20 | enouf | [agatha]: are you fully upgraded to lenny? if not, maybe run aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:32.28 | gewt | qtf no /dev/hda3 or /dev/hda4 0.o |
| 01:32.36 | [agatha] | ok i will do it moment |
| 01:33.27 | creative2bad | I was wondering if someone could pretty please walk me through adding a second ip address on to my box.. pretty please msg me if interested ;) |
| 01:33.31 | enouf | [agatha]: beware - i'm not sure it'll fix anything (trying to ensure you have hte latest alsa and stuffs) - and i don't have any webcam/skype experience |
| 01:33.47 | enouf | creative2bad: no need to repeat so often |
| 01:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, yes - you should have reserved at least 10, better 15 GB or so for the system - it doesn't necessarily need so much, but being a curious guy who often installs stuff just to see what it is... I managed to fill 10-20GB on my / easily |
| 01:33.57 | enouf | start with /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 01:34.05 | [agatha] | enouf, as long as the micro works i will make the skype work... the problem is that even the sound recorder is not recording a thing and the mic is not muted |
| 01:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell [agatha] about recording |
| 01:34.35 | gewt | I have aspare 13GB hdd |
| 01:34.43 | gewt | IBM deathstar ^.^ |
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| 01:34.50 | [agatha] | upgrading :p |
| 01:34.52 | enouf | [agatha]: also try aplay, arecord, and /msg dpkg soundcheck - i've heard of many with skype issues |
| 01:34.52 | gewt | bbl |
| 01:34.59 | enouf | erm ,.. even mic issues |
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| 01:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, actually, you have really little data on that disk yet - you could get some livecd or something, copy (or tar) everything on that other disk, then repartition and copy everything back |
| 01:37.42 | gewt | i did that once -_- |
| 01:37.46 | gewt | i vroke stuff |
| 01:37.49 | gewt | broke* |
| 01:37.50 | gewt | bbl |
| 01:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, hehe - there's one more reason to just have one / partition - you don't have to think up a lot of different sizes for different partitions and try to guess what you need (which took me considerable time when I had many partitions and I'd *still* get it wrong) - if you want to keep them separate, you probably should have a look at lvm (/msg dpkg lvm) |
| 01:39.27 | gewt | k |
| 01:39.50 | cafuego | look at lvm anyway |
| 01:40.02 | cafuego | less hassle if and when you add a disk |
| 01:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | more hassle if you have the fs spread on several disks and one dies |
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| 01:42.22 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: how do I remount the filesystem read only while live? (my irc client has terrible scrollback) |
| 01:43.17 | preds | Gm4n: you mean without unmounting it at any stage? |
| 01:43.28 | Gm4n | preds: yeah, I only have one filesystem |
| 01:43.29 | preds | or just unmount then remount as ro |
| 01:43.43 | preds | I wouldn't think that would be possible |
| 01:43.56 | extor | if I dump a whole bunch of new .deb files in /var/apt/cache/archives then will it scan those .deb files before hitting the debian ftp repositories? |
| 01:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, mount / -o remount,ro |
| 01:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, and.. /lastlog <term> |
| 01:46.07 | Gm4n | mount says / is busy, how can I figure out what to kill? |
| 01:46.09 | [agatha] | hmm that didnt work.. i wonder why this microphone is not working |
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| 01:47.22 | chomwitt_ | in /lib/modules/2.6.x do we find all the modules that are in the linux kernel or only the ones that were compiled according to the configuration of the debian packaging ? |
| 01:47.34 | enouf | Gm4n: you'd need to be able to boot into single/recovery/maintenance mode to remount / ro, IINM |
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| 01:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, that's what I was explaining *in length* about up there... fuser -m / should show you the processes, fuser -mk / should kill them - but roots bash is probably one of them |
| 01:48.00 | enouf | Gm4n: lsof is your friend for finding open files |
| 01:48.24 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: but it won't kill sshd, and I can then log back in? |
| 01:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, see my long rant above, please |
| 01:49.57 | Gm4n | ah, the one addressed to gewt? |
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| 01:50.22 | enouf | Gm4n: see, for remote, it's best to always have ssh access, for when things go south ;-) |
| 01:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, in short - you can probably kill everything else, and do "exec bash" (or exec ash or whatever) in a directory not belonging to / |
| 01:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, did I (or my autocomplete) confuse you two more than once?! |
| 01:50.54 | Gm4n | I only have one filesystem though.... everything belongs to / |
| 01:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 01:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | even home? |
| 01:51.05 | Gm4n | ooh, I can copy bash to /tmp |
| 01:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | not copy |
| 01:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not the binary that's the problem |
| 01:51.23 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 01:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's having something as working directory |
| 01:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | which seems to be seen as "open for writing" by the kernel |
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| 01:52.24 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: everything (except udev, some parts of dev, proc, and sys) is on / |
| 01:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... try /proc? :) |
| 01:52.51 | Gm4n | oopsies, sshd was killed :) |
| 01:52.53 | Gm4n | time to reboot |
| 01:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't want to try on my current system, would need to kill X |
| 01:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can go back in, right? |
| 01:53.13 | Gm4n | yeah, reboot |
| 01:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not ssh back in? |
| 01:53.37 | Gm4n | the fuser -mk / killed sshd |
| 01:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but only your personal sshd |
| 01:54.07 | Gm4n | no the daemon itself. port is now closed |
| 01:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 01:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
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| 01:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean maybe should have expected that :) |
| 01:55.01 | corpcomp | I am attempting to install 4.0R5 from net install. I select the packages (basic) and continue and the install seems to stop. Am I missing something? I have left it for more than an hour and it is still at 5% with no activity. The computer doesn't freeze as it responds to ctrl+alt+del |
| 01:55.05 | Gm4n | I figured it was a possibility, but I can reboot the box :) |
| 01:55.24 | enouf | !5% |
| 01:55.24 | dpkg | 0.05 |
| 01:55.28 | enouf | gah |
| 01:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, nice |
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| 01:56.07 | enouf | it's an old issue anyway - can't imagine it reoccuring in r5 |
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| 01:56.40 | corpcomp | I am attempting to install on an old compaq 1850R |
| 01:56.47 | Linuturk | what's the best program on debian etch for a webcam? |
| 01:56.50 | enouf | corpcomp: look for messages on alt-f4 |
| 01:56.52 | Linuturk | I don't see cheese |
| 01:57.37 | enouf | corpcomp: oh dear ...hrm ...so you get past the whole partitioning phase? or i forget which point you are at within the installer |
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| 01:59.37 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm assuming that fsck saying that fstab needs kludging durign recovery is not bad? http://paste.debian.net/20789/ |
| 01:59.56 | corpcomp | Yes, past partition stage, I get to the stage where I select the packages and it is after that that it all stops. |
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| 02:00.35 | Linuturk | are there any good programs or tools to use a web camera in debian etch? |
| 02:00.59 | enouf | corpcomp: did you setup a network connection? DHCP? did you choose mirrors from the list? |
| 02:01.11 | corpcomp | alt+f4 shows me a warning but doesn't ell me what the warning is in relation to, just that if I want to continue to type yes, so I have and it still isn't responding. |
| 02:01.26 | corpcomp | Yes to all above |
| 02:02.18 | enouf | corpcomp: you could try expert install mode, and even pass BOOT_DEBUG=N where N is a number - see installation guide - chapter 5 onward for boot params - also F1-F10 has info |
| 02:02.39 | enouf | corpcomp: that's all f4 shows? is a warning? |
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| 02:03.15 | corpcomp | yes, I have restarted the install again now and I am going to try the debug thing |
| 02:03.17 | enouf | corpcomp: how old a PC is this? and is your NIC internal and wired? is it a Desktop or laptop? |
| 02:04.12 | corpcomp | It is a Compaq 1850R rack mounted server with internal NIC. |
| 02:05.22 | Gm4n | fsck fixed some problems with /dev/md0. How do I check lower-level stuff? fdisk /dev/sd[ab]? |
| 02:07.44 | infinity1 | does debian have something like the centos divider=10 kernel option |
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| 02:09.34 | rebel_kid | having deleted my id_rsa.pub ... and now needing it, i have to ask is the public - key= in id_rsa.keystore my public key? |
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| 02:11.39 | orzo | hello |
| 02:11.50 | orzo | my debian unstable is broken |
| 02:12.05 | orzo | there's a problem with libgnome2-common |
| 02:12.18 | rebel_kid | or could the public key be easily generated from the private key, and thus be the same as the original |
| 02:12.24 | enouf | Gm4n: what do you mean check? |
| 02:12.37 | dmoerner | orzo, please pastebin the full error |
| 02:12.41 | enouf | Gm4n: also - try hdparm and smart again |
| 02:12.47 | orzo | wait a minute and i'll have a paste |
| 02:13.13 | enouf | Gm4n: there's a tool called badblocks, but .. well, you could use the manu disk utils as well |
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| 02:13.43 | enouf | Gm4n: fdisk -l will just print out partition table info |
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| 02:14.53 | magyar | debian has no defence for :(){ :|:& };: |
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| 02:15.19 | orzo | http://rafb.net/p/vYqHdA52.html |
| 02:15.57 | enouf | magyar: bull - all linux systems do |
| 02:16.20 | magyar | enouf: just tied it on my lenny and guess what |
| 02:16.31 | enouf | you don't know what you're doing? |
| 02:16.35 | funktor | is armv5tel arm or armel arch? |
| 02:17.14 | orzo | dmoerner: you seeing my paste? |
| 02:17.40 | enouf | funktor: does debian.org/ports mention? |
| 02:17.44 | magyar | enouf: why? |
| 02:17.55 | enouf | why what? |
| 02:18.17 | funktor | enouf, in the arch section it has both arm and armel, the device's uname says armv5tel |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | funktor: the install guide should clue you in |
| 02:18.32 | enouf | funktor: i've seen that |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | funktor: if not, ask #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:18.45 | funktor | abrotman there is no install guide, i am cross compiling the kernel |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:18.54 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 02:18.59 | dmoerner | orzo, when did you last upgrade? what command triggered this problem? 1751 not upgraded. |
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| 02:19.01 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:19.18 | funktor | i see, anyway the reason is the kernel image for arm (2.6.26) misses out soome modules |
| 02:19.20 | funktor | -o |
| 02:19.23 | orzo | dmoerner: it was apt-get -f install |
| 02:19.36 | funktor | they exist on the x86 and on the 2.6.18 of arm |
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| 02:19.45 | funktor | but suddently they dissapear on 2.6.26 |
| 02:19.45 | orzo | dmoerner: i dont know when i last upgraded |
| 02:19.47 | funktor | (for arm only) |
| 02:19.53 | orzo | dmoerner: it was an upgrade that broke things |
| 02:19.57 | enouf | linux-module-extra? |
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| 02:20.04 | enouf | er linux-modules-extra? |
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| 02:20.15 | enouf | but ask in -arm channels and lists |
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| 02:20.45 | funktor | enouf , no cdc_acm.ko |
| 02:20.53 | funktor | its a core module for serial over usb |
| 02:21.06 | funktor | it just doesnt exist in the file list anymore, only for that specific kernel and that arch |
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| 02:21.33 | funktor | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | funktor: on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:22.47 | chechulinaa | hola |
| 02:23.28 | orzo | dmoerner: is there a way to manually go about investigating and removing or reinstalling the offending packages? |
| 02:23.38 | enouf | Gm4n: you mentioned md0, but i only knew of your md1 which supposedly had everything - what up wit dat!? ;-) |
| 02:24.03 | orzo | i've tried on my own for a while but guru help would probably expedite things |
| 02:24.14 | orzo | heh |
| 02:24.31 | Gm4n | I keep thinking things start at 0. I meant md1 :P |
| 02:25.17 | funktor | anyway, enouf check it out http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/linux-image-2.6.26-1-486/filelist http://packages.debian.org/etch/arm/linux-image-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/filelist http://packages.debian.org/lenny/arm/linux-image-2.6.26-1-ixp4xx/filelist |
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| 02:25.34 | chechulinaa | holiis |
| 02:25.37 | enouf | Gm4n: it's kind of supposed to ;-) |
| 02:26.01 | enouf | funktor: i never said i doubted your findings :-) |
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| 02:27.00 | enouf | funktor: i've noticed that even for certain modules in .26 x86 arch - for ex; there was an issue with sata_sil or sata_xxx .. i forget which one |
| 02:27.17 | kingsley | Does a log file reveal when someone tried to login through xlock running under xscreensaver? If so, which log file? |
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| 02:27.27 | enouf | funktor: where for certain version bumps the module was removed |
| 02:27.45 | enouf | ktwilight_: maybe auth.log |
| 02:27.50 | enouf | erm kingsley |
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| 02:28.04 | funktor | yeah, whats up with that :P |
| 02:28.08 | xxiao | trying to bootstrap a new cpu arch, now native compiler is ready, however it's unclear to me how I can bootstrap all the basic packages before a buildd can be run? |
| 02:28.10 | enouf | kingsley: grep /var/log |
| 02:28.15 | enouf | er |
| 02:28.27 | enouf | kingsley: rgrep <something> /var/log ... zgrep, etc |
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| 02:29.28 | xxiao | let me try debian-devel then... |
| 02:29.36 | Pnux | Hello, i need to prevent Ubuntu from treating .php files as executable. How can i do that? |
| 02:29.49 | enouf | funktor: in the case i mentioned there was some merging of libata module stuffs for both sata/pata versions, and that was broke for a bit .. so it was pulled or something |
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| 02:30.58 | orzo | Judging from http://rafb.net/p/jf9Rqp95.html, I think it might be helpful to find the package list for libgnome2-common and manually install it |
| 02:31.08 | funktor | i see, i was working on a research project and i had to get an nslu2 device to talk to a usbserial microcontroller for a robot test, and when i updated the kernel suddently the module vanished :P |
| 02:31.08 | orzo | where would i find that and where does it go? |
| 02:31.33 | enouf | funktor: always keep known working kernels around ;-) |
| 02:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, ulimit -u 1000? |
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| 02:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't really want to try it |
| 02:32.02 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: /etc/limits.conf |
| 02:32.10 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: but he never got that far |
| 02:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:32.22 | enouf | ? |
| 02:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | whacha mean never got that far |
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| 02:32.42 | tu | how do i check which process accesses the disk? |
| 02:32.42 | enouf | he asked why? i asked why what? |
| 02:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:32.50 | enouf | how far along did that go? |
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| 02:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaphysical deadlock |
| 02:33.23 | enouf | yep |
| 02:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but - the answer to "why" is of course "because" |
| 02:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I don't have /etc/limits.conf |
| 02:34.51 | cads__ | how can I change the module that is used for a certain piece of hardware? for example I'd like to use i810 instead of i915 for my video card (as they both support my video card but i915 seems to have bugs). |
| 02:34.52 | enouf | gah /etc/security/limit.conf? |
| 02:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | would it make sense to limit the allowed number of processes to limite the influence of fork bombs? |
| 02:35.16 | cads__ | maybe I'll ask dpkg about modules neh? |
| 02:35.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.23 | enouf | bingo |
| 02:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes, the manpage also says so :) |
| 02:36.18 | enouf | ulimits is discussed in man bash{-builtins} |
| 02:36.28 | Gnurdux | how do you setup package tab completion btw? |
| 02:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads__, rmmod <module>; modprobe <othermodule>? - then if that doesn't work blacklist the one you don't want (and possibly load the one you need if that doesnt happen automatically) |
| 02:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gnurdux, bash-completion |
| 02:36.51 | enouf | Gnurdux: just enable regular bash completion |
| 02:37.08 | enouf | Gnurdux: uncomment out the 3 lines in your ~/.bashrc |
| 02:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gnurdux, package bash-completion |
| 02:37.12 | Gnurdux | it is enabled, and it doesnt tab complete packages |
| 02:37.26 | cads__ | CutMeOwnThroat, where does modprobe write to in order to make changes permanent? |
| 02:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesnt |
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| 02:37.47 | Gnurdux | ah thanks enouf |
| 02:37.50 | enouf | cads__: just blacklist the other one |
| 02:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads__, /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 02:38.55 | enouf | cads__: are you referring to kernel or Xorg module? |
| 02:39.10 | enouf | cads__: if xorg, just use xorg.conf to define the driver |
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| 02:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | kernel... I don't think there are xorg modules of that name |
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| 02:39.34 | cads__ | right, kernel |
| 02:39.37 | enouf | is too lazy to look |
| 02:39.50 | f00li5h | hey, how can i allow a user to try to authenticate someone with PAM, my code only seems to be allowed to do the authentication as root... |
| 02:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | won guess-where-the-module's-from |
| 02:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prize me |
| 02:39.59 | dpkg | gives cutmeownthroat a yogi pin. |
| 02:40.01 | enouf | blacklist it then - and make sure /etc/modules doesn't contain the wrong one |
| 02:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | gosh! |
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| 02:41.00 | enouf | pins a yogi onto CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:41.24 | magyar | default in debian no limits |
| 02:41.33 | enouf | right |
| 02:41.42 | enouf | admin it sucker :-p |
| 02:41.48 | cads__ | alright. I had spotted /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in my ramblings and couldn't find a corresponding whitelist, so I will assume that everything is autodetected and that I don't need to specify i810 in any way, as it'll fall back to that when i915 is disabled? |
| 02:42.02 | enouf | there's no dfault firewall set up either .. and? |
| 02:42.29 | simonrvn | enouf: dude, where's my car |
| 02:42.41 | enouf | i told you the whitelist you weenie |
| 02:42.45 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:43.08 | K_Sakura | I was wondering if anyone else has been having weird problems with nvidia drivers lately? |
| 02:43.13 | magyar | i wonder how many neat tricks I need to block |
| 02:43.15 | enouf | simonrvn: ~/baby you can drive my car ... la la la tra la la /~ |
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| 02:43.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:44.19 | enouf | magyar: now, if you find missing useful info in harden-doc feel free to offer it - wishlist bug it even if needed |
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| 02:44.20 | magyar | be scared giving shell access |
| 02:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | K_Sakura, everyone has weird problems with nvidia drivers all the time - except the ones who don't |
| 02:45.05 | magyar | enouf: roger |
| 02:45.15 | K_Sakura | I'm thinking along the lines of needing to recompile on reboot or suddenly stops working after months without problems. |
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| 02:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, why - people only hurt themselves *shrug* |
| 02:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell magyar -about securing debian |
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| 02:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, 127, it seems |
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| 02:46.37 | naldo | If you think you have what it takes to be an ircop, come to /server irc.p2pchat.net -j #morpheus |
| 02:46.37 | magyar | hardening is for MCSEs |
| 02:46.48 | K_Sakura | I've got two computers with exactly the symptoms I described. |
| 02:46.48 | magyar | -_- |
| 02:47.01 | simonrvn | !ops naldo spamming |
| 02:47.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: naldo spamming |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | and he's gone ... |
| 02:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
| 02:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 02:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you got some more people to read his messae :) |
| 02:47.39 | simonrvn | *shrug*, bad timing. apologies |
| 02:47.46 | magyar | CutMeOwnThroat: why? |
| 02:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | message* |
| 02:47.47 | f00li5h | what do i need to change to allow www-data to authenticate people with PAM? |
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| 02:48.07 | enouf | magyar: you should tell the grsecurity people that |
| 02:48.56 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: total opposite of what i wanted, of course |
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| 02:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, let a MCSE set up your system, then *shrug* |
| 02:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... "securing debian" removes perl... or tells you to |
| 02:50.40 | magyar | enouf: makes sence, se-linux should be a server default |
| 02:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course without giving any reason why that would be useful |
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| 02:51.14 | enouf | i thought it was called selinux .. |
| 02:51.32 | simonrvn | it is |
| 02:51.37 | enouf | magyar: that's why many also run VMs |
| 02:52.17 | simonrvn | need new cpu for that, to do that efficiently... :( |
| 02:52.40 | magyar | a very viable solution |
| 02:52.59 | enouf | magyar: i mean sure, you have your VM windows weenies too .. just running VMs of linux within winPoop b/c they drank the Must-have-8-core-32GB-ram koolaid for a desktop |
| 02:53.27 | jpinx | lmfao |
| 02:53.27 | simonrvn | now that's a waste |
| 02:53.35 | enouf | simonrvn: svm|vmx support for kvm? |
| 02:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want total security, remove the harddisks and ram and lock them into a secure strongbox in your home |
| 02:53.56 | simonrvn | ...add to that and only use the dumb thing to play games and browse facesplat |
| 02:54.10 | magyar | virtualbox or kvm? |
| 02:54.20 | simonrvn | and remove the power plug |
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| 02:54.44 | magyar | run it if a dvd |
| 02:54.57 | magyar | 8GB of storage is more than enough |
| 02:55.09 | cads_ | freaky, i915 insists on loading even though I blacklisted it |
| 02:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, now that would be overeagerness ;) |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | cads_: did you try the initramfs blacklist? |
| 02:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads_, you did read the initramfs blacklist factoid as the blacklist one told you? |
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| 02:56.08 | cads_ | I feel prey to the roaming intermitten xorg failures.. |
| 02:56.18 | cads_ | thanks for repeating |
| 02:56.22 | enouf | grep i915 /etc/modules |
| 02:56.37 | enouf | if not there - then initramfs it out |
| 02:56.52 | cads_ | ahah |
| 02:59.43 | enouf | now, i recall certain intel chipsets having some issues caused by i82875p_edac and edac_mc, but i think those were related to ati driver bugs |
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| 03:02.14 | ukatan | hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows the name of that program that allows you to display information like the time, date, weather, etc in a tty |
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| 03:02.38 | cads_ | i don't know if you're referring to my issue, but this just seems to be a case of an obscure video driver problem for my laptop's intel 855 embedded video adapter |
| 03:02.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if there is a --weather option to "date" |
| 03:02.55 | ukatan | heh. |
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| 03:03.08 | cads_ | it's been screwy with every single version of xorg I've run on it |
| 03:03.10 | ukatan | well, it's not that I don't know how to fetch the date. |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | ukatan: apt-cache search weather |
| 03:03.16 | enouf | cads_: i was - but it might not apply to you - also it seems it is fglrx + AGP related http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=5314820 |
| 03:03.50 | enouf | cads_: lenny should work fine - ensure libgl1-mesa-dri is installed |
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| 03:04.30 | ukatan | abrotman, I tried.. it was a specific app that did more than just output lines of text though |
| 03:04.42 | ukatan | I just wanted to see if anyone in here knew about it |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | ukatan: so look at the descriptions |
| 03:04.53 | ukatan | I.. did? |
| 03:05.03 | enouf | ukatan: you could run a gui browser in console like links2 -g, and add an applet to it? |
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| 03:05.47 | enouf | ukatan: libstatgrab6 and friends do system monitoring - date/weather? no idea |
| 03:05.52 | ukatan | thanks for the suggestions, but I was looking for that one program, specifically to avoid having to glue like 3 different things together.. |
| 03:05.58 | ukatan | thanks anyways |
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| 03:08.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:08.40 | f00li5h | PAM |
| 03:09.05 | enouf | non-stick spray? |
| 03:09.27 | f00li5h | no, the other one |
| 03:09.32 | f00li5h | Bono |
| 03:09.51 | enouf | oh .. the call girl ..ok |
| 03:10.11 | acidslep | laughs all over his keyboard |
| 03:10.24 | f00li5h | suspects these jokes are locale specific |
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| 03:10.57 | K_Sakura | My xorg.conf has 1600x1200 as the max res, and I have the nvidia driver installed -- and I only get 640x480. |
| 03:11.08 | acidslep | press ctrl alt + |
| 03:11.30 | acidslep | work? |
| 03:11.31 | enouf | f00li5h: 'boner' is funny anywhere |
| 03:11.52 | acidslep | laughs again |
| 03:11.52 | f00li5h | enouf: you may have mis-read that |
| 03:11.55 | enouf | K_Sakura: use nvidia-settings? |
| 03:12.10 | acidslep | enouf well check if the mode works first! |
| 03:12.10 | enouf | K_Sakura: or .. see #nvidia |
| 03:12.16 | K_Sakura | No. When I start X it starts with a 640x480 -- as the highest (and only since its the lowest in my confile.) |
| 03:12.27 | acidslep | no seriously, press ctrl alt + |
| 03:12.59 | enouf | maybe your DisplaySize isn't being detected properly |
| 03:12.59 | acidslep | does that not work? |
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| 03:13.09 | f00li5h | oh, pam_unix has to be run as a user who can read /etc/shadow |
| 03:13.17 | enouf | check your Xorg.0.log |
| 03:13.32 | K_Sakura | acidslep: I already tried that. |
| 03:13.37 | acidslep | oh ok. sorry. |
| 03:15.11 | acidslep | has an uncorporative X also |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | K_Sakura: which nvidia card and which version of debian? |
| 03:16.07 | K_Sakura | My xorg.conf has a long running (and unchanged for months) set of resolutions: "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 03:16.26 | K_Sakura | A PCI-E 7300 SE. |
| 03:16.38 | K_Sakura | And currently tracking testing. |
| 03:17.19 | abrotman | did you check your Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 03:18.32 | K_Sakura | "No valid modes for" (repeated for for four out of the five resolutions I have listed. |
| 03:20.10 | abrotman | K_Sakura: does it say which driver it's actually using? |
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| 03:21.48 | K_Sakura | It appears to be using the nvidia driver (assuming I read the log correctly) |
| 03:24.26 | cads_ | enouf, browsing the sourcecode of my xorg driver, I found this, referring to my video card: "i855 XV may cause hangs. This was present in the previous release, and no workaround is known." sigh |
| 03:24.47 | cads_ | I hate this laptop |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | blames dell! |
| 03:24.54 | cads_ | ohh, no I don't |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | hides |
| 03:25.07 | cads_ | snuggles his poor sick laptop |
| 03:25.14 | abrotman | cads_: tried the vesa X driver? |
| 03:25.20 | acidslep | throws a laptop at cads_ |
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| 03:26.55 | cads_ | abrotman, does that make use of my hardware's acceleration for video playback/3d? |
| 03:27.52 | abrotman | no, but it wouldn't crash? |
| 03:27.55 | cads_ | anyways I'll see if changing the module works, and then if that doesn't I'll try snarfing the latest git repository for the xorg module |
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| 03:31.04 | cads_ | abrotman, it's terrible, because each time I've installed a new version of xorg i've had to go through crazy loops to get my video's features working, and completely forgot each time/had to find completely new methods next time, you'd think I'd write down what I did and stay with the same version so my instructions would be useful |
| 03:31.24 | cads_ | c'est la vie |
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| 03:36.25 | K_Sakura | (From my tests, I think my problem is purely software (I tested in Another OS and was able to get at or above the resolution stated in my xorg.conf).) |
| 03:36.54 | acidslep | duh :) |
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| 03:37.19 | K_Sakura | Sometimes hardware Really Acts Up. |
| 03:38.41 | K_Sakura | Although I never had this problem with even my S3 card. |
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| 03:44.19 | K_Sakura | ls |
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| 03:45.05 | gin0 | Are you need sex ?? click here : http://www.fotovacaciones.telefonica.com/catalogo.php?voto=1&codigo=WA0AA3&pagina=1 |
| 03:45.09 | K_Sakura | Terminal hopping, and having IRC client on a tty. (>_<) |
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| 03:51.10 | fritz | can anyone help upgrade adobe flash player in debian etch |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | fritz: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | fritz: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
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| 03:57.28 | esthar | Can the 2.6.26-xen kernel in Lenny be a dom0? |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 03:58.07 | abrotman | i don't think it can.... see the wiki |
| 03:58.39 | esthar | abrotman: the wiki disagrees? |
| 03:58.41 | esthar | All it says is |
| 03:59.06 | esthar | "Quite the same way as Etch. The kernel is 2.6.26. " |
| 03:59.06 | abrotman | oh i see .. |
| 03:59.10 | esthar | under the dom0 section |
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| 03:59.30 | abrotman | esthar: ah .. they fixed it |
| 03:59.34 | esthar | So my question is |
| 03:59.40 | esthar | are these custom patches to 2.6.26 |
| 04:00.04 | esthar | or are they vanilla pv_ops stuff using upstream Linux kernel extensions |
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| 04:00.19 | abrotman | that i couldn't answer .. you could check the diff for the linux-source package |
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| 04:04.16 | rebel_kid | quick way to test if debian is net connected |
| 04:04.25 | rebel_kid | ? |
| 04:05.30 | mhymn | ping? |
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| 04:05.46 | abrotman | wget? telnet? browser |
| 04:06.04 | rebel_kid | lol thought there would be another way |
| 04:06.07 | rebel_kid | but im a dork like that |
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| 04:06.24 | rebel_kid | im just happy it *looks* like its working |
| 04:06.39 | cybane | Hello all |
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| 04:08.56 | c0m1_ | hi. Anyone here use alpine mail client? |
| 04:09.15 | rebel_kid | anyway i can get some info on my internet connection? |
| 04:09.20 | rebel_kid | ip address and such |
| 04:09.40 | cybane | ifconfig |
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| 04:10.19 | abrotman | c0m1_: ask a better question |
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| 04:15.55 | cybane | Hrm for some reason my sshd is not starting at boot I checked the rc directories and it is in there anyone know why it is not starting? |
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| 04:17.29 | Tramp | cybane: does sshd start when you run /etc/init.d/ssh start manually? |
| 04:17.37 | cybane | Yes |
| 04:17.47 | K_Sakura | That explains why 1024x768 seems so cramped -- I'd gotten used to having 2.44140625 times the screen space. |
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| 04:19.07 | cybane | I had to hook up a lkeyboard and monitor to get it started |
| 04:19.35 | cybane | I am now sshed into the system and just want to make sure it will start at boot incase I have to reboot and I checked everything so it should be starting at boot |
| 04:21.10 | Tramp | cybane: what gives "ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*ssh" |
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| 04:25.00 | cybane | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-10-31 22:10 /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh |
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| 04:27.12 | Tramp | cybane: looks ok. Maybe "/msg dpkg bootlog" helps. No idea offhand why it should fail. |
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| 04:31.03 | cybane | Thanks Tramp I went ahead and set to Yes for my bootlogd and look at the log the next time I try and reboot |
| 04:31.30 | Tramp | yw. hope it helps. |
| 04:32.26 | sandman | I've a question about security. |
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| 04:33.16 | f00li5h | is there some kind of crazy shenanigins going on as www-data (:33) that stops him from using ssh? |
| 04:33.41 | sandman | I was wondering, would this be over-doing it?: Using Xen, Dom0 would be running absolutely nothing aside from occasionally vncviewer to access the DomU's. There's be a DomU for each specific service, and which each service would be an instance of LinuxVServer which would actually host the service itself. Each stop of the way there would be an intrusion detection system. |
| 04:33.57 | sandman | And also, along each step of the way, SELinux policies would be applied. |
| 04:34.17 | enouf | K_Sakura: no valid modes? do you have entries in your xorg.conf for monitor Vert/Hor refresh rates? |
| 04:35.05 | sandman | So for example, Dom0 running absolutely nothing, there'd be a DomU for, say, apache, and another one for MySQL. Each would have their own respective Linux VServer instance, each instance would have an IDS running, and each would have a respective SELinux policy applied. Is this over-doing it? Or does that make sense? |
| 04:35.28 | enouf | K_Sakura: have you ran xrandr on it's own, xdpyinfo, glxinfo, ... oh wait, you're using the proprietary nvidia driver blob .. well.. |
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| 04:36.25 | enouf | sandman: if your NSA, it's fine, if not don't worry about it :-P |
| 04:36.31 | enouf | s/you're |
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| 04:40.06 | f00li5h | 0/w 24 |
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| 04:41.08 | f00li5h | gah |
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| 04:44.23 | f00li5h | <-- |
| 04:44.40 | f00li5h | this is driving me mental |
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| 04:45.06 | f00li5h | will sshd deny me access based on the user i start as at the other end (based on ident or something)? |
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| 04:46.04 | sandman | enouf: Would that setup that I described strike you as secure? |
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| 04:57.09 | jpinx | in Gnome I have a processor monitor - is there a similar monitor for eth0 ? |
| 04:57.30 | f00li5h | yes. |
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| 04:57.38 | adrenaline | network monitor |
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| 04:57.51 | adrenaline | right click on the panel and click add to panel |
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| 04:58.10 | jpinx | I've been looking but can't find a graphical one |
| 04:58.21 | jpinx | just the little 2 screen thingy |
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| 04:59.08 | jpinx | which really doesn't tell you much at all |
| 04:59.27 | shlomic | i want to set a server to share files between about 25~ computers. most word files and pictures. users should be able to edit the files. the server will also be used as a work station so it needs a gui - probably gnome. can i do that with a dualcore 1.60 GHz, 2 gig memory (data on a separate disc)? |
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| 04:59.48 | jpinx | is on limited hardware and needs to keep an eye on things |
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| 05:00.33 | adrenaline | Double click it |
| 05:00.36 | ma3x | can gimp save image to pdf? |
| 05:00.46 | roe_ | any idea how to create a bootable usb drive? |
| 05:01.34 | adrenaline | roe_, that is a great idea I think you can do it with a version of slackware but I can't remember what it is called but it is available from that site If I can say that here |
| 05:01.42 | jpinx | adrenaline: yes - that's cool. I was looking for a graphical one like th porcessor monitor that I don't have to double click to see what's happening |
| 05:01.56 | adrenaline | Oh I see |
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| 05:02.12 | jpinx | roe_: just do an install onto the usb drive |
| 05:02.29 | jpinx | roe_: make sure your BIOS supports usb booting |
| 05:02.54 | roe_ | actually I want to copy an iso to the thumb drive. My router doesn't have a cdrom drive |
| 05:03.03 | roe_ | but I need to make it bootable |
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| 05:03.27 | ma3x | how do you insert text and check checkboxes inside pdf? |
| 05:03.57 | jpinx | roe_: I've not done it that way - but you will have to get into man grub I think |
| 05:04.25 | slim_ | hello all, is there documentation to know the m inimal list of needed services, i install debian that will work as mediacenter and don't need alot unwanted services |
| 05:04.52 | amphi | ma3x: dunno, but it can save to ps, which is easy to convert |
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| 05:05.41 | adrenaline | jpinx, might this be what you are looking for? |
| 05:06.30 | jpinx | adrenaline: ??? |
| 05:07.09 | adrenaline | hehe sorry here it is |
| 05:07.14 | adrenaline | http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
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| 05:08.33 | jpinx | adrenaline: thanks - I tried that before |
| 05:08.52 | jpinx | it's cool, but is big and not like the little processor monitor |
| 05:09.37 | adrenaline | Man you are picky lol |
| 05:09.48 | adrenaline | Is that the type of thing you are looking for? |
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| 05:10.52 | jpinx | thanks adrenaline |
| 05:11.09 | adrenaline | hehe |
| 05:11.23 | jpinx | not really - I wanted a little one like the porcessor monitor which runs and a little bargraph |
| 05:11.26 | adrenaline | I would imagine you could make it smaller or change the theme too |
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| 05:11.42 | adrenaline | Is this something you have seen before? |
| 05:11.55 | jpinx | didn't really want anything in the main window |
| 05:11.56 | adrenaline | Or are you wondering if there is such a thing |
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| 05:12.12 | jpinx | wondering if there is sucha thing |
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| 05:12.30 | jpinx | I can't find one - but there are better brains than mine on here ;) |
| 05:12.46 | adrenaline | I only know about the monitor that I showed you first |
| 05:13.06 | jpinx | cool -- thanks adrenaline |
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| 05:18.38 | rebel_kid | can i regenerate a public key from a private key?> |
| 05:22.29 | Serajewe1KS | rebel_kid: not to my knowledge |
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| 05:23.07 | SerajewelKS | rebel_kid: mathematically speaking, there is no private key, just key A and key B. software terms one private and one public, but if you swapped them you'd have the same security (assuming you haven't already distributed them). |
| 05:23.41 | SerajewelKS | rebel_kid: so it's as possible to generate a public key from a private key as it is to generate a private key from a public key: unless you have some millions of times the computing power that exists in the world today, not gonna happen |
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| 05:23.57 | SerajewelKS | rebel_kid: on the other hand, many key container formats store the public key with the private key |
| 05:23.59 | rebel_kid | SerajewelKS, in my id_rsa.keystore would the public-key= be my public key |
| 05:24.14 | SerajewelKS | rebel_kid: that i don't know |
| 05:24.16 | oKtosiTe | Hello there. I've set up a Debian gateway with Shorewall and it's doing a great job routing, blocking and shaping traffic, but I'm stuck on how to make sure hostnames on the local net resolve. Any pointers? |
| 05:24.20 | rebel_kid | that would beat tracking it down on the server |
| 05:24.23 | f00li5h | well, you could guess the private key to go with it in one go, if you were very lucky |
| 05:25.19 | oKtosiTe | I suppose I'll need bind for that... |
| 05:25.32 | f00li5h | oKtosiTe: you'd want to run bind somewhere, and tell the boxen where to look with dhcp |
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| 05:26.36 | f00li5h | tehe, you could use NIS to distribute the host names too |
| 05:27.23 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 05:31.52 | oKtosiTe | f00li5h: after doing pretty well with shorewall sofar, I somehow expected this to be easier... |
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| 05:39.36 | f00li5h | oKtosiTe: a dns server is not really within the scope of a firewall package |
| 05:41.34 | f00li5h | motherfucker. |
| 05:41.39 | f00li5h | it was known_host2 |
| 05:42.06 | shlomic | can anyone give me some info about the hardware requirments for running a simple file server for about 25 clients |
| 05:42.59 | f00li5h | shlomic: spend as much on the box as they are willing to offer |
| 05:43.41 | shlomic | f00li5h, they want a 2000$ win2k3 server, i offered a cheaper linux solution |
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| 05:44.20 | f00li5h | well, spec up someting with some scsi-raid and server board |
| 05:44.22 | shlomic | i offered to turned one of the clients into a server, i wonder if that's possible |
| 05:44.30 | f00li5h | battery backed raid card etcc |
| 05:44.35 | f00li5h | shlomic: don't do that |
| 05:44.43 | f00li5h | desktop hardware is rubish |
| 05:45.10 | shlomic | f00li5h, ok, i hear you on the raid, |
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| 05:45.54 | f00li5h | shlomic: hell, you can win just by quting the same then as the other guys (sans lisence fees for the OS) |
| 05:46.12 | f00li5h | QUOTING |
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| 05:47.25 | shlomic | f00li5h, thank you for the info, one more question, do i have any reason to wait for sid to become stable? |
| 05:47.32 | shlomic | or i can go with etc? |
| 05:47.39 | shlomic | etch... |
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| 05:49.52 | f00li5h | shlomic: sid never becomes available ;) he is the naughty kid that breaks the toys ;) |
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| 06:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some feature that wakes up from s2ram and shuts down the computer? I normally put the laptop to sleep over day instead of shutting down, but - roughly since updating to 2.6.26-8 - I find it switched off in the evening |
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| 06:16.21 | Gentoon | does sidux hve its own channel? |
| 06:16.25 | Gentoon | have |
| 06:17.34 | dmoerner | Gentoon, #sidux on oftc |
| 06:18.01 | Gentoon | oftc? |
| 06:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I'll have to look up what exactly sidux was :-/ |
| 06:18.12 | Gentoon | grr i dont like leaving freenode |
| 06:18.31 | Gentoon | i dont have multi server support |
| 06:18.42 | Gentoon | im looking for a new distro |
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| 06:19.49 | Gentoon | hrmm |
| 06:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | may we suggest Debian? |
| 06:20.32 | meff | lol |
| 06:20.37 | Gentoon | is Ian here? |
| 06:20.50 | valdyn | oKtosiTe: dnsmasq is alot easier than bind and probably good enough |
| 06:21.04 | Gentoon | no because sinve ubuntu it seems debian is slow with its releases =( |
| 06:21.12 | Gentoon | since |
| 06:21.19 | valdyn | Gentoon: no, its always been slow |
| 06:21.37 | Gentoon | i afraid you guys seem to have lost alot of developers in the last 4 years? |
| 06:21.42 | Gentoon | im |
| 06:21.50 | valdyn | Gentoon: no, debian is growing |
| 06:22.01 | Gentoon | or maybe i don't know what I am talking about |
| 06:22.08 | valdyn | Gentoon: maybe |
| 06:22.22 | Gentoon | i do know lots of major developers did go to ubuntu |
| 06:22.37 | Gentoon | but maybe they work on both? |
| 06:22.40 | dondelelcaro | not that many, actually |
| 06:23.03 | Gentoon | Don't get me wrong, i love debian. |
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| 06:23.14 | Gentoon | it was what got me started on linux |
| 06:23.23 | Gentoon | good ol sarge |
| 06:23.59 | dondelelcaro | but that said, we're always looking for more people to help out |
| 06:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you are |
| 06:24.17 | Gentoon | im no developer |
| 06:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 06:24.40 | Gentoon | i wana talk to ian, does he ever come here? |
| 06:24.46 | dondelelcaro | anyone is capable of helping out |
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| 06:24.52 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: which Ian? |
| 06:25.40 | Gentoon | Murdock |
| 06:26.06 | dondelelcaro | Ian Murdock isn't active in Debian development anymore. |
| 06:26.30 | Gentoon | That is sad =( |
| 06:27.03 | dondelelcaro | he hasn't been active for more than 10 years or so |
| 06:27.42 | Gentoon | I just am looking for bleeding edge like sid, but without bugs, or that many |
| 06:27.51 | dondelelcaro | well, good luck finding it |
| 06:28.04 | dondelelcaro | if you want the newest, it's going to have bugs |
| 06:28.09 | Gentoon | thats why i was told sidux was a good choice |
| 06:28.12 | liable | i want a pony too! ;) |
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| 06:28.40 | Gentoon | wow... |
| 06:29.10 | Gentoon | The debian comunity didn't use to be so bitter... |
| 06:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: sidux isn't going to have any fewer bugs than the real Sid does. |
| 06:29.25 | dondelelcaro | in fact, it's likely to have more |
| 06:29.31 | liable | Gentoon: not bitter at all. |
| 06:29.36 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, an entirely different set) |
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| 06:33.56 | Gentoon | is there any release soon? |
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| 06:34.43 | liable | yes, lenny is due out soonish |
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| 06:35.03 | reklipz1 | I'm having problems with the package manager in lenny. http://pastebin.com/d7af7b172 |
| 06:35.52 | Gentoon | which branch is leny in now? |
| 06:36.12 | reklipz1 | testing... |
| 06:36.13 | dondelelcaro | testing, like always. |
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| 06:37.54 | Gentoon | like always? |
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| 06:38.08 | reklipz1 | like, since etch was stable... |
| 06:38.56 | Gentoon | okay....? |
| 06:39.19 | reklipz1 | what's confusing? |
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| 06:39.52 | scientes | how can i force all packages directly or indirectly dependant on a package to be removed? |
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| 06:40.01 | Gentoon | just don't see how that is "always" |
| 06:40.32 | scientes | there needs to be a way to delete catagories like gui, kde, gnome etc |
| 06:40.51 | scientes | which would remove not just default but anyhting associated with that thing |
| 06:40.53 | reklipz1 | s/always/normal |
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| 06:43.44 | reklipz1 | anyone know how i can fix my dpkg issues? http://pastebin.com/d7af7b172 |
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| 06:46.35 | Gryfelhase | Hi, H |
| 06:47.08 | Gryfelhase | I'm running debian on my eeepc. How can i disable tap-to click on the mosuepad ? |
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| 06:48.52 | slicer_ | i am trying to open a .ddw file, i tried dbview but version six is unsupported. anyone know how i can view this file |
| 06:48.57 | nirupama | hi all |
| 06:49.07 | nirupama | I have downloaded googletalk-setup.exe |
| 06:49.15 | Gentoon | im getting an eee myself soon a 1000h |
| 06:49.16 | nirupama | and trying to install on debian using wine |
| 06:49.30 | nirupama | but it shows error while installing |
| 06:50.05 | nirupama | google talk encountered an internal error and must now close |
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| 06:50.31 | mhymn | Gryfelhase: try #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 06:51.15 | mhymn | nirupama: #wine ? |
| 06:51.25 | nirupama | mhymn, what? |
| 06:51.48 | mhymn | nirupama: why not trying wine channel? |
| 06:52.07 | nirupama | there is no such channel in freenode |
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| 06:52.41 | mhymn | hmm |
| 06:53.10 | Obligatory | Is it possible to cut 'n paste from a 'qemu' window to the debian host? |
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| 07:01.10 | reklipz1 | anyone know how to fix my dpkg issues? http://pastebin.com/d7af7b172 |
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| 07:02.43 | neon_surge | kernel headers don't match running Linux version? |
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| 07:05.07 | reklipz1 | neon_surge: wow... dunno how i missed that one. so, i grabbed the headers, no go still |
| 07:06.05 | Obligatory | reklipz1, what neon_surge said. What's 'uname -r' tell you? |
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| 07:07.34 | Obligatory | dag, too late... |
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| 07:09.34 | Obligatory | Answer to my 'qemu' question here says to load some kind of clipboard server: http://calamari.reverse-dns.net:980/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-1c097016bacf21f203002ba65af8b956b5a9067b |
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| 07:16.10 | endra | hi |
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| 07:16.37 | endra | I'm having a problem - I want to reinstall exim4 but I can't remove it in order to have it re-install.. what can I do? |
| 07:17.32 | endra | never mind, seems I *can* remove it.. wonder why it wasn't letting me the other week (was saying something like the system needs at least 1 mailer) |
| 07:17.53 | bittin_ | 7wi130 |
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| 07:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some feature that wakes up from s2ram and shuts down the computer? I normally put the laptop to sleep over day instead of shutting down, but - roughly since updating to 2.6.26-8 - I find it switched off in the evening |
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| 07:25.40 | endra | I'm having a problem, I don't have any files in /etc/exim4/* so dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is failing.. what do I do? |
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| 07:26.02 | liable | !tell endra about confmiss |
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| 07:26.10 | nullie_ | hello. Does buildpackage pass package version to rules, or should I deduce this from changelog? |
| 07:26.14 | Tordek | hi |
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| 07:27.13 | Tordek | anyone knows in which package I can find system's (C's?) functions' man pages? (IE, fopen, ferror...) |
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| 07:27.41 | liable | man 3 fopen |
| 07:27.53 | Tordek | ah, found it |
| 07:27.55 | endra | liable: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall exim4 did nothing |
| 07:27.57 | Tordek | manpages-dev |
| 07:28.50 | liable | endra: you need to install the package that has the config files.. exim4-config i guess.. |
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| 07:29.07 | endra | ah, that's an actual package.. ok |
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| 07:32.32 | endra | It works, thank you |
| 07:32.32 | liable | yw |
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| 07:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, for the "mostly used" factoids, there is probably "something wrong" in how things work |
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| 07:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | like confmiss - probably dpkg-reconfigure should clearly tell that it's not recreating the config on purpose and how to do so |
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| 07:37.28 | cizra | Hi |
| 07:37.34 | cizra | I need help compiling some packages from source |
| 07:37.50 | cizra | apt-get build-dep glib2.0 says E: Build-Depends dependency for glib2.0 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package gnome-pkg-tools can satisfy version requirements |
| 07:38.25 | cizra | apt-cache showsrc glib2.0 shows gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.11) for the newest version, which is 2.16.6-1 |
| 07:38.39 | cizra | dpkg -l shows ii gnome-pkg-tools 0.13.6 |
| 07:38.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows ii gnome-pkg-tools 0.13.6 |
| 07:38.53 | cizra | dpkg: not you, go away |
| 07:38.54 | dpkg | cizra: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 07:39.33 | Crypticfortune | Ok, I'm a mailman newb, but trying to get the web interface working in lenny. why does trying to create a new list always result in "Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists?" Should I be using suexec? but all the mailman files are installed as "root." What's the appropriate way to do this? (the available docs seem to be making some non-debian assumptions, and I'm very confused... |
| 07:39.39 | cizra | So here's the question: how come a suitable version of gnome-pkg-tools isn't found when it's installed? |
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| 07:51.55 | endra | For exim4, how can I make it so that it actually uses my router/transport/acl files I placed in /etc/exim4/conf.d/* ? It seems to be just ignoring them |
| 07:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizra, weird bug... but guess you can ignore that? except that you'll have to fulfill the build-deps yourself |
| 07:54.05 | Crypticfortune | endra: you have to rerun update-exim4.conf to regenerate the actual config file (also it's possible you might have set it to use the "one giant file" config method instead of the split file method (which uses the conf.d stuff) |
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| 07:55.01 | endra | Crypticfortune: what do you mean rerun update-exim4.conf, and I prefer using the split config over the one huge file |
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| 07:56.17 | endra | oh, that's a program |
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| 07:56.24 | Crypticfortune | endra: yup |
| 07:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizra, I think it might be because of the additional dot (just guessing) - so 0.13.6 is not seen as > 0.11 ..... although I cannot imagine how you have to calculate to arrive at this conclusion := |
| 07:56.35 | endra | Okay, it's starting to make sense. Thanks |
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| 08:01.55 | cizra | CutMeOwnThroat: Good idea, I'll try that. THanks. |
| 08:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizra, I think aptitude now also has build-dep? |
| 08:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps file a bug report against apt-get |
| 08:03.47 | cizra | CutMeOwnThroat: Not my aptitude |
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| 08:06.47 | kasimon | hi! is there a way to instruct apt-get to upgrade a specific package only if it's installed but do not perform other updates? |
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| 08:08.07 | Crypticfortune | kasimon: if you know it's installed, "aptitude install <package>" will do that |
| 08:08.07 | kasimon | like the opposite of --no-upgrade |
| 08:08.31 | kasimon | Crypticfortune: and if I don't? |
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| 08:09.46 | kasimon | reason is i want to update a lib that's installed on some of our servers, but don't perform other pending updates |
| 08:10.03 | kasimon | and i don't want to install it on servers where the lib is not installed. |
| 08:10.43 | Crypticfortune | kasimon: "dpkg -l <package> | egrep -q "^ii" && aptitude install <package>"? |
| 08:11.26 | Crypticfortune | there's likely a prettier way, but I think that would work :S |
| 08:11.49 | kasimon | Crypticfortune: thanks. i'll need one of those lines for each package, but i think it's okay. |
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| 08:15.42 | kasimon | FTR: "dpkg -l mysql-common | egrep -q "^ii" && apt-get -y -qq install mysql-common" works nice. handing it over to cfengine :-) |
| 08:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dselect, probably |
| 08:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dselect |
| 08:16.20 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see ... |
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| 08:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but that would also not work for packages that are not installed and shall not be |
| 08:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I disagree :) |
| 08:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think there is a better way :) |
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| 08:21.28 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, I mounted some hard drives based on their unique hashes/ids a while ago. I installed some new hard drives, and I'd like to find their hashes too but I can't find the tool I used to hash the hard drive ids for me. Anyone know what I'm referring to? |
| 08:21.40 | etnt | isn't it annoying that the date part of 'ls -l' changes with the locale... :-( |
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| 08:22.52 | kasimon | etnt: use "LC_DATE=C ls -l" in scripts |
| 08:23.43 | etnt | kasimon: mm...will do that from now on... |
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| 08:25.09 | rgouveia | ArtVandalae: you're problably looking for the UUID |
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| 08:26.08 | ArtVandalae | rgouveia, that's it, thanks |
| 08:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | kasimon, actually, I think dselect *can* do it - you could switch all packages to hold, then 'unhold' the ones you want to upgrade |
| 08:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | G unhold: upgrade or leave uninstalled |
| 08:27.36 | binarymutant | does anyone know how to create 2 status bars in awesome 3's rc.lua file? |
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| 08:32.06 | enouf | ArtVandalae: blkdid, lshal, /msg dpkg uuid |
| 08:32.15 | enouf | er blkid* |
| 08:33.58 | enouf | ArtVandalae: you might be referring to hdparm -i (or -I) output |
| 08:34.35 | ArtVandalae | enouf, it was uuid, thanks it's sorted now |
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| 08:36.28 | enouf | sure, uuidgen is a nice tool :-) but most linux mkfs* will generate one for each partition unless told not to |
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| 08:48.32 | endra | hey |
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| 08:49.03 | endra | to specify ports for an interface to in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.. I place the ips like this: 127.0.0.1.25;a.b.c.d.port; and so on ? |
| 08:49.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | read the prompt |
| 08:49.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | it will way ... |
| 08:49.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | *say |
| 08:49.46 | endra | I did read, and it doesn't.. |
| 08:49.49 | endra | which is why I'm asking here :P |
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| 08:50.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | is disbelieving |
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| 08:50.29 | endra | http://pastebin.com/dc323af1 |
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| 08:51.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | which part of "Please enter a semicolon-separated list of IP addresses" isnt clear? :| |
| 08:52.05 | endra | Which part of "to specify ports for an interface" isn't clear? |
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| 08:52.22 | joshteam | any1 up? |
| 08:52.25 | endra | no |
| 08:52.48 | joshteam | endra: :) can i hassle you a minute? with a very simple task, except for a greenie like me? |
| 08:52.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ask |
| 08:52.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:52.59 | joshteam | trying to get gzip working on my apache environment |
| 08:53.15 | joshteam | does debian have an install package for gzip? |
| 08:53.29 | endra | aptitude search [string] |
| 08:53.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | endra, ah right *grin*, sorry. dont think ports are specified there (disclaimer: i've not run exim config for 6 months) |
| 08:54.12 | endra | Kamping_Kaiser: no problem, be nice to noobs :P |
| 08:54.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | endra, :) |
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| 08:54.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | joshteam, gzip meaning compressed data? pretty sure its possible. not done it though |
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| 08:54.54 | joshteam | sweet i'll google :) if I get stuck I can hit you guys up with more specific ?ions |
| 08:56.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | joshteam, yeah, but #apache might be better (once you weather the storm of debian hate) |
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| 09:03.35 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 09:04.38 | [Mr_X] | Hello. I am getting the following errors when I try to install OpenOffice.org 3.0 on Debian etch. Any ideas? |
| 09:04.41 | [Mr_X] | http://rafb.net/p/0iZFOA93.html\ |
| 09:06.20 | [Mr_X] | http://rafb.net/p/0iZFOA93.html |
| 09:06.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | [Mr_X], whats the ./update tool? |
| 09:06.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | it seems to have broken : dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 09:07.07 | [Mr_X] | It's some script that supposed to help in installation. |
| 09:07.33 | tarzeau | damn canon lide 100 is not linux supported? |
| 09:07.42 | tarzeau | usb id 04a9:1904 |
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| 09:11.13 | adb | tarzeau: http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
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| 09:12.32 | tarzeau | adb: i found it at the sane-project supported devices - not supported. piece of shit |
| 09:12.36 | tarzeau | linux my ass |
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| 09:14.13 | adb | tell vendor to provide specifications and driver for linux, than |
| 09:14.22 | Ongavezir | Hallelujja brothers |
| 09:14.35 | Ongavezir | Ongavezir the holyness come back again |
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| 09:24.49 | cizra | WAAH! I hosed my aptitude/apt/dpkg |
| 09:25.09 | OpenTokix | cizra: First ask yourself, why? |
| 09:25.50 | cizra | hmm, no |
| 09:26.19 | cizra | OpenTokix: An upgrade depended on newer dpkg, dpkg depended on apt and aptitude. So I have to upgrade them all at once |
| 09:26.57 | OpenTokix | cizra: ok, did you go from etch to sid or something? |
| 09:27.48 | cizra | OpenTokix: No, I'm on mostly Etch with unstable mixins |
| 09:28.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | *puts his sympathy back in a box* |
| 09:28.15 | cizra | That's because I occasionally want to use newer software. |
| 09:28.50 | cizra | The particular piece I want now is Mozilla Minefield, it depends on newer libgtk2 |
| 09:29.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | spares a little sympathy for 'must have newer' people |
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| 09:31.47 | OpenTokix | Kamping_Kaiser: =) |
| 09:31.55 | Ongavezir | Where is the muttafucka holy shit fat linuks-penguin now? Does anybody seen that crazy penguin? |
| 09:32.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
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| 09:32.32 | OpenTokix | installaes -rc3 on Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:32.37 | OpenTokix | installs |
| 09:32.45 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I fix this error: ** (totem:17910): WARNING **: Error checking whether the volume is a disc: No property volume.is_disc on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_LITE_ON_DVD_SOHD_167 |
| 09:32.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | eek! |
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| 09:33.56 | Arafangion | that, btw, is obviously a DVD player, and yes, it absolutely does contain a disk. |
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| 09:44.02 | liable | dpkg: dance! |
| 09:44.02 | dpkg | gets jiggy wit it |
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| 09:56.50 | Arafangion | <censored> corrupt DVD's. |
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| 09:59.12 | Arafangion | How do I play DVD's on Debian? (With dvdcss) |
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| 10:03.38 | adb | !tell Arafangion about dvd |
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| 10:07.36 | endra | hey |
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| 10:08.15 | endra | I'm having exim4 problems.. anyone here experienced with setting up virtual users with exim4? I got everything setup (even dovecot) except my system is not accepting any mail (550 relay not permitted) |
| 10:08.29 | Arafangion | adb: I've already installed dvdcss2 from dmm. |
| 10:09.24 | Arafangion | adb: But apparently I'm missing a "map" file! |
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| 10:09.24 | joltcan | endra: enable auth for those virtual users, and make sure that authorized users can send mail to anywhere (i.e. relay) |
| 10:09.41 | joltcan | endra: I just assume that 550 is when the virtual users are trying to send |
| 10:09.46 | endra | No |
| 10:09.51 | joltcan | no? |
| 10:09.51 | endra | When I try to send to them :P |
| 10:10.24 | joltcan | endra: anyway, look at authorization, so that authorized users can send anywhere |
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| 10:10.52 | endra | It's not when sending out, it is when accepting mail.. |
| 10:12.01 | joltcan | endra: Oh, and you added dovecot to your router settings? |
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| 10:12.06 | Arafangion | Hmm, I wonder if my drive is shit. |
| 10:12.08 | joltcan | so that exim can find those uers |
| 10:12.27 | endra | joltcan: yes, I did |
| 10:12.45 | joltcan | endra: and 550 is when mail from the outside are coming into the box? |
| 10:12.55 | endra | Yup |
| 10:13.00 | petemc | endra: put the domains in local_domains |
| 10:13.14 | Neaai | endra: you could see what is going on internally with "exim -bh ip-from-client". This will run a fake smtp session emulating a client that connects from ip-from-client. |
| 10:13.16 | Crypticfortune | endra: the domains that the virtual users are in are part of local_domains, yes? |
| 10:13.58 | Crypticfortune | Neaai: oo, i didn't know that. very helpful! (much learning by lurking ^^ |
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| 10:14.24 | Neaai | Crypticfortune: it is indeed one of the most useful features |
| 10:14.44 | endra | I never touched local_domains.. I have /config/[domain]/passwd which contains a list of users/passwords/directories/etc |
| 10:14.55 | Arafangion | How long ago did dual-layer DVD drives come out? |
| 10:15.09 | petemc | endra: so theres your problem |
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| 10:15.52 | endra | petemc: no, my router should accept it.. |
| 10:15.54 | reklipz1 | Arafangion: as far as i know, the same time that single layer dvds came out |
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| 10:16.00 | petemc | endra: no |
| 10:16.07 | petemc | the acls decide if its accepted |
| 10:16.32 | endra | I'm confused :( |
| 10:16.44 | petemc | that can be cured by reading documentation |
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| 10:16.49 | Neaai | endra: try the exim -bh feature and follow the logic of what gets printed on screen. It will tell you precisely where does the "relay not permitted" occurs. |
| 10:16.56 | joltcan | endra: You should be, mta's are complicated stuff |
| 10:16.58 | petemc | endra: the router are only used in the acls if you use recipient verification in the acls |
| 10:17.03 | endra | Neaai: sorry, doing it now |
| 10:17.21 | Arafangion | retnex: If that logic is right, then there wouldn't be single-layer-only players. |
| 10:17.39 | endra | petemc: I have recipient verification in the acls.. but that only fails if the user is bad on a domain it knows |
| 10:18.05 | petemc | endra: then thats not really recipient verification |
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| 10:18.31 | endra | petemc: sorry, well.. I've been at this 48 hours almost and I'm trying my best :P |
| 10:18.58 | petemc | endra: in either case, your most likely problem is local_domains not populated correctly |
| 10:19.40 | endra | Neaai: awesome tool! |
| 10:19.48 | Neaai | endra: hehe :) |
| 10:19.51 | Crypticfortune | endra: heheh i've been working on setting up a similar mail server for about a week now. sooooo much to read/fix/do. it is indeed very very complicated =P |
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| 10:20.13 | Daggett | hello all |
| 10:20.14 | endra | Crypticfortune: ya, I'm definitely going to write a tutorial when I'm done.. and create a few scripts |
| 10:21.00 | Daggett | I can't make the debian installer network preseed to work, it doesn't download it, how can I debug it ? |
| 10:21.50 | Crypticfortune | endra: (incidentally, the README.Exim4.Debian for mailman is wrong, so be prepared to tweak that too ;) |
| 10:22.12 | petemc | Crypticfortune: did you file a bug? |
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| 10:22.47 | Crypticfortune | petemc: not yet. i'm not totally confident in my fix... |
| 10:22.55 | petemc | whats the bug? |
| 10:22.59 | endra | Neaai: I wish the tool properly indented tests and their results.. :( |
| 10:23.06 | __coredump__ | moinsen |
| 10:24.08 | Crypticfortune | petemc: the readme says to set MAILMAN_GROUP=daemon, should be list, and the condition in the mailman_router points to a wrong file |
| 10:24.22 | Neaai | endra: still it's just a step by step following of what's going on. Eventually you'll come to where the relay permit takes place. |
| 10:24.31 | Crypticfortune | petemc: i suppose i could just submit what i think is correct, and if i'm wrong, let the maintainer yell at me =P |
| 10:24.36 | Neaai | and/or relay deny |
| 10:24.57 | petemc | indentation would be annoying in exims debug output |
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| 10:25.40 | endra | Can I set it to it can check if the domain is allowed using dsearch instead of placing every virtual domain in local_domains ? |
| 10:26.37 | Neaai | endra: I'd say you can place it in any list, as long as that list is then refferenced to during the checks. |
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| 10:28.12 | petemc | dsearch is a type of lookup, not a replacement for a domainlist |
| 10:28.30 | Neaai | endra: I've done that with a separate domain list for some domains that use smartpop to retreive their stuff. |
| 10:28.32 | endra | It is when I got my domain list as directories in 1 directory |
| 10:28.40 | petemc | endra: no, its not |
| 10:28.48 | petemc | its always a type of a lookup |
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| 10:30.16 | endra | I use it in my acl.. domain = dsearch;/config .. whichis equivalent to domain = domain1.com;domain2.com no? |
| 10:30.30 | Neaai | endra: have you been able to determine where exactly does the "relay denied" occur ? |
| 10:30.31 | petemc | endra: right, you use it in conjunction with a domainlist |
| 10:30.57 | endra | Neaai: I can't tell.. it just does like 20 tests and fails them all |
| 10:31.04 | endra | The last test would be the local_domains |
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| 10:32.17 | petemc | where last means the one that fails.. |
| 10:32.25 | petemc | so fix local_domains , and you should be sorted |
| 10:33.01 | endra | >>> endra.org in "dsearch;/home/vmail/config"? yes (matched "dsearch;/home/vmail/config") |
| 10:33.13 | endra | petemc: I was wondering if I can use dsearch with local_domains.. |
| 10:33.22 | Neaai | endra: Use an ip and usernames and addresses you know should succed, based on your rules. When it fails and you know it shouldn't, you probably know where it had to be accepted. And try to modify the local_domains. You can always revert back if needed and undo the changes. |
| 10:33.52 | petemc | endra: you should be able to use that type of lookup in that domainlist, yes |
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| 10:34.46 | Flesje | Hi, where are the user passwords stored and how are they stored? |
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| 10:35.01 | cizra | Flesje: In Linux in general? |
| 10:35.05 | Flesje | in debian |
| 10:35.06 | cizra | Flesje: in /etc/shadow |
| 10:35.14 | Flesje | is it as salted md5? |
| 10:35.32 | cizra | Flesje: I don't know if it's MD5, but yes, it's salted and hashed. |
| 10:35.55 | Flesje | hmm... |
| 10:36.09 | cizra | from man shadow: |
| 10:36.10 | cizra | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.10 | cizra | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.56 | cizra | Not sure if you're aware of it: /etc/shadow is not readable by users, only by root. That's to prevent brute-forcing. |
| 10:37.09 | Flesje | yes thats what i'm looking for :) |
| 10:37.15 | Flesje | for a test project |
| 10:37.31 | cizra | Sounds interesting? |
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| 10:38.29 | Flesje | yes we have to do a "penetration test" on a webserver running directadmin |
| 10:38.49 | endra | petemc: WARNING: using 'lookup;' constructs in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf has never been supported! |
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| 10:38.58 | Flesje | and we have to check for exploits that are public, and bruteforcing of accounts generated by directadmin |
| 10:39.31 | petemc | endra: i use my own config |
| 10:39.45 | petemc | Configuration file is /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 10:41.12 | endra | petemc: is there a way to append data to a domainlist? |
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| 10:42.24 | petemc | endra: im not sure i follow, you can use any type of lookup, or just type in colon seperated list |
| 10:42.25 | rvsjoen | im having some problems with permission denied on nfs using nis and automount, the home folder mounts fine, the uid/gid reported by "ypcat passwd" and "id" are the same. I still cant read my own files when logging in using nis, I know its the nis authentication because I have no local user by that name |
| 10:42.31 | Crypticfortune | petemc: ok mailman bug reported / patch submitted. |
| 10:42.50 | petemc | good shit |
| 10:43.18 | endra | It seems to work using my local_domains |
| 10:43.20 | endra | Thanks |
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| 10:44.34 | heroxbd | Can I set up a RDP server in debian? |
| 10:45.17 | enouf | haha, how's this for the name of a file /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 10:45.31 | enouf | oh endra's is the same ... |
| 10:45.37 | enouf | ~latesmite me |
| 10:45.38 | petemc | considering update-exim.conf is a command, its not too bad |
| 10:45.47 | heroxbd | petemc: nod |
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| 10:45.54 | endra | enouf: how's update-exim4.conf for the name of an executable :-/ |
| 10:46.02 | enouf | well, the .conf.conf.conf.conf... |
| 10:46.03 | petemc | descriptive |
| 10:46.25 | petemc | im not a huge fan of how the exim configuration is handled, tho |
| 10:46.27 | enouf | yeah, that's descriptive alright |
| 10:46.35 | enouf | descriptive of lack of brain power |
| 10:46.55 | heroxbd | enouf: If we can heightlight then update-*exim4.conf*.conf |
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| 10:49.02 | endra | Okay, excellent |
| 10:49.13 | endra | I can finally *accept* mail |
| 10:49.18 | endra | Now to test outgoing mail! |
| 10:49.55 | jamey-uk | I'm trying to get a custom shell script to run when I insert a USB hard drive, so far I've installed autofs and "/etc/init.d/autofs status" returns this as the configured mountpoint: "/usr/sbin/automount --timeout=300 /media program /tmp/test.sh". But it doesn't work, any ideas? |
| 10:50.46 | endra | jamey-uk: do you have #!/bin/bash on top of your script ? |
| 10:50.58 | endra | jamey-uk: also, chmod +x /tmp/test.sh |
| 10:51.18 | jamey-uk | endra: yes... /tmp/test.sh is +x and it is very simple: |
| 10:51.19 | jamey-uk | #!/bin/bash |
| 10:51.19 | jamey-uk | echo $1 |
| 10:51.19 | jamey-uk | echo "Running script" |
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| 10:51.38 | jamey-uk | oops, sorry |
| 10:51.41 | Neaai | endra: when you said about appending stuff to a domain list. You could use a setting like: domains = +local_domains : +relay_to_domains : +your_own_domain_list |
| 10:52.06 | jamey-uk | so "/tmp/test.sh testing" returns "run [\n] Running script" (it works as expected) |
| 10:52.11 | endra | Neaai: well, I wanted to keep compatibility with update-exim4.conf.conf as well as adding dsearch |
| 10:52.26 | Neaai | endra: ah ok. |
| 10:52.38 | jamey-uk | but I was "tail -f /var/log/messages", I plugged in a USB HDD and saw that it picked it up on USB but there were no [automount] messages telling me it was going to run test.sh... |
| 10:52.42 | endra | Neaai: because we can't add dsearch from the .conf unfortunately |
| 10:52.58 | endra | jamey-uk: no idea, sorry. was just making sure you had basics correct |
| 10:54.31 | jamey-uk | endra: ah okay, I have a hunch that automount may not be running correctly... I've done "/etc/init.d/autofs start" and "/etc/init.d/autofs status" returns that the first mount point is "/usr/sbin/automount --timeout=300 /media program /tmp/test.sh". So logically, it should run this command when a USB device is plugged in. But shouldn't there be an autofs background process running ready to pick up device hotplugs? I'm not sure ho |
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| 10:55.43 | endra | jamey-uk: I have no idea what automount is or how it behaves, sorry |
| 10:55.44 | Crypticfortune | jamey-uk: i think mounting usb things is handled via hald, yes? autofs only comes in to play if you try to access an autofs managed directory (afaik) |
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| 10:56.36 | jamey-uk | Crypticfortune: yes that sounds right, autofs "takes over" whichever mount points you assign it (it actually rm's /media/*, which shocked me a bit). So "hald" it is then? All I want is a script to run when a USB device is plugged in |
| 10:57.21 | Crypticfortune | jamey-uk: im afraid i don't know how, just pointing out that autofs might not be the way to go =/ |
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| 10:57.47 | Deffie | hi all, anyone can suggest me a web interface to manage squid ACLs (for whitelisting) |
| 10:57.48 | reklipz1 | I cant get fglrx to install on debian lenny amd64 |
| 10:59.36 | scientes | how do i force install a package? |
| 10:59.41 | endra | petemc, Neaai, how do I setup exim4 to allow sending emails only for authenticated users? |
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| 11:00.14 | scientes | ie ignore dependancies |
| 11:00.14 | jamey-uk | Crypticfortune: okay thanks for you help :) |
| 11:00.18 | jamey-uk | endra: thanks also :) |
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| 11:00.32 | endra | jamey-uk: more problems |
| 11:00.33 | endra | ? |
| 11:00.34 | endra | :P |
| 11:00.57 | jamey-uk | hehe, no just didn't mean to /part :P |
| 11:01.10 | petemc | endra: accept authenticated = * |
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| 11:02.36 | endra | petemc: I've only setup dovecot to actually make use of the passwords in my passwd files though |
| 11:03.00 | petemc | endra: you can use dovecot auth with exim now |
| 11:03.23 | endra | ah |
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| 11:03.40 | endra | how? |
| 11:04.16 | jamey-uk | Crypticfortune: : ah, I just did "apt-get install hal" and surprise-surprise, it's not installed! So I guess I'll be able to add/edit a hald usb config somewhere for hotplug devices |
| 11:04.18 | jamey-uk | hopes |
| 11:04.36 | toor | endra: what you think about rtfm? :D |
| 11:05.02 | endra | toor: what do you think about myob? |
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| 11:05.14 | gcbirzan | toor: Why would you when you can ask on IRC? :-P |
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| 11:05.56 | endra | toor: it's not like the documentation is a couple pages long.. the config file is like 40 pages |
| 11:06.22 | toor | endra: maybe a example file exist? |
| 11:06.52 | endra | toor: that is the example file |
| 11:06.53 | endra | :P |
| 11:07.49 | endra | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.67/doc/html/spec_html/ch37.html |
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| 11:13.25 | enouf | jamey-uk: you likely want to make sure udevd is running, and if not using pmount, or various DE automounters, look into usbmount i guess |
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| 11:14.49 | jamey-uk | enouf: thanks, I just ran "apt-get install hal usbmount udev" and it feels like this might get me somewhere. Problem is, usb-mount will want to mount using ext2 or ext3 but the drive I'm trying to mount is a TrueCrypt encrypted partition... basically I just need it to run my custom shell script on the insertion on *any* usb device. I guess I need to modify usb-mount's script? |
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| 11:15.22 | enouf | endra: i recall when setting up exim4 for the 1st time in sarge there was a choice to explode the config file into many smaller ones, or use one giant one |
| 11:15.30 | Neaai | endra: I found this which might be a help for your case. http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-Dovecot-Authenticate-td15288513.html |
| 11:15.44 | enouf | jamey-uk: modify udev rules |
| 11:16.08 | jamey-uk | enouf: ahh |
| 11:16.14 | enouf | jamey-uk: /msg dpkg udev rules and check out the RUN+= and things in the various /etc/udev/* scripts |
| 11:16.39 | jamey-uk | enouf: thanks very much, so I should really remove usb-mount then? |
| 11:17.03 | enouf | jamey-uk: you can test changes via udevcontrol reload_rules - however, udevcontrol might've been replaced by udevadm |
| 11:17.15 | jamey-uk | I've just tail'd /var/log/messages/ and got loads of "audit (xxx)" messages, plus usb-mount messages |
| 11:17.23 | enouf | jamey-uk: depends - usbmount is if you want automounting without a DE i guess |
| 11:17.29 | jamey-uk | sorry, what's a DE? |
| 11:17.42 | enouf | jamey-uk: read the description - DE == Desktop Env |
| 11:17.58 | jamey-uk | "d'oh" |
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| 11:18.38 | jamey-uk | enouf: this is just a server, so basically I needed hal, udev and now to modify udev rules to run my script when a usb device is plugged in |
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| 11:18.56 | jamey-uk | and to /msg that bot about configuring udev? :) |
| 11:18.56 | enouf | jamey-uk: this should be useful http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
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| 11:19.14 | enouf | right |
| 11:20.43 | enouf | jamey-uk: oh, well no, if no X or no DE, usbmount you could use - also ensure your user is in the plugdev group |
| 11:21.28 | jamey-uk | enouf: oh... so it's not easiest to just forget about usbmount and do it all in udev rules, as that blog post seems to be doing? I won't be mounting using "mount", I need to use truecrypt... |
| 11:21.30 | enouf | you might want to look at pmount as well .. i don't do much of this usb things/gadgets |
| 11:21.32 | K_Sakura | enouf: Thanks for the refresh rate advice my monitor now works in 1600x1200 again. (I had been away from the virtual desktop at the time). |
| 11:22.41 | enouf | jamey-uk: yes, having udev is a must - hal can be somewhat helpful/hurtful .. and dcop if you expect applications to talk to each other about IPC events and such |
| 11:22.45 | enouf | sorry! |
| 11:22.50 | enouf | dbus, not dcop |
| 11:22.57 | enouf | dcop is a kde thing |
| 11:23.24 | enouf | K_Sakura: excellente! so, what was hte issue |
| 11:23.25 | enouf | ? |
| 11:23.41 | jamey-uk | oh right, I thought udev was a "child" of hal... so they're independent/two similar systems? |
| 11:24.27 | jamey-uk | enouf: what's the simplest method then, install udev only and edit a udev rule to run a script when a certain USB device gets plugged in? I don't want to over-complicate matters, I thought what I was trying to achieve was quite basic ^_^ |
| 11:24.31 | endra | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.35 | K_Sakura | Apparently when I switched between monitors (identical ones) on the third the refresh rate on the one I switched to wasn't being auto-detected. |
| 11:24.37 | enouf | jamey-uk: /msg dpkg hal - and for udev explanation? heh http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 11:24.58 | enouf | jamey-uk: that sounds good |
| 11:25.30 | enouf | hald just gets .. er, somewhat stupid sometimes with it's polling and stuffs - but it's fine using it |
| 11:25.50 | endra | sorry, premature paste. Where can I get the dovecot driver for exim4? |
| 11:25.54 | enouf | jamey-uk: lshal can be very helpful in obtaining system info, etc |
| 11:25.55 | K_Sakura | (My xorg.conf hadn't had the refresh rate set in a long time. The other two monitors didn't have an issue with it.) |
| 11:26.29 | jamey-uk | jamey-uk: okay yeah dpkg bot reassures me that I don't actually need to have hal installed, just udev... but whatever, as long as they don't conflict. |
| 11:26.40 | jamey-uk | is a little confused |
| 11:26.59 | enouf | K_Sakura: ahh so, the Vert/Hor refresh? ok - cool .. usually when they are wrong settings, something like an error "frequency out of range" or similar occurs - but with no entries, well ;-) |
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| 11:27.44 | enouf | jamey-uk: yes, leave hal installed - it's fine .. unless you see it getting in the way - it should be fine |
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| 11:28.29 | enouf | jamey-uk: for ex lshal | grep smbios , or lshal | grep device_file | sort ... etc etc |
| 11:28.39 | petemc | enouf: which version of exim? its a recent feature, exim -bV to show what its compiled with |
| 11:28.43 | petemc | endra: ^^^^^ |
| 11:29.01 | enouf | petemc: you mean to explode the config into many files? |
| 11:29.06 | endra | Authenticators: cram_md5 plaintext |
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| 11:29.23 | endra | Can I somehow tell it to just look directly in the passwd files? I don't have to use dovecot |
| 11:29.30 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:30.41 | enouf | petemc: here's my info - the version here is old old http://pastebin.ca/raw/1246761 .. i think, i've disabled it on boot years ago, but it still serves as system MTA i guess |
| 11:30.55 | petemc | enouf: i meant that for endra |
| 11:31.03 | enouf | oh .. duh |
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| 11:31.05 | petemc | :) |
| 11:31.07 | enouf | thought maybe both |
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| 11:33.12 | endra | Why can't exim4 be simpler.. :-/ |
| 11:33.30 | petemc | then it wouldnt be as flexible |
| 11:33.38 | petemc | its core concepts are simple |
| 11:33.50 | jberg | hey, windows deleted my grub boot loader, how can i install it again? |
| 11:33.55 | petemc | alcs to control if mail is accepted, routers to decide where it goes, transports to get it there |
| 11:34.00 | enouf | endra: i'm going to really suck as a hired sysadmin if i can't even do email :-P (not to mention networking isn't a strong suit either :-)) |
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| 11:34.17 | endra | enouf: I can do email.. just not under 48 hours |
| 11:34.18 | endra | :P |
| 11:34.26 | enouf | !tell jberg -about rescue mode |
| 11:34.51 | jberg | thanks |
| 11:34.52 | enouf | endra: i can't even send it .. i resort to web interface crap, which even that gives me hives |
| 11:35.10 | enouf | and i only use it when i really really have to |
| 11:35.15 | endra | enouf: do you program? |
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| 11:35.32 | enouf | nope |
| 11:35.59 | enouf | i think i know more about C than javascript though :-P |
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| 11:37.54 | endra | i fking hate this exim4 syntax.. it's like ${if{{foo/bar}}{:}{/}{;4{}}{:};[}}:{}{}{:A}}{lolcat{}{{}}}}}} |
| 11:38.07 | enouf | wow .. forkbombs :-P |
| 11:38.13 | petemc | you dont have to write it like that |
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| 11:38.30 | petemc | open bracket close bracket, its not a complicated idea |
| 11:38.52 | endra | ${if crypteq{$auth3}{${extract{1}{:}{${lookup{$auth2}lsearch{CONFDIR/passwd}{$value}{*:*}}}}}{1}{0}} |
| 11:39.18 | petemc | a good text editor would do most of the work for you |
| 11:39.19 | endra | it's not very portable either.. in the sense that others can easily understand it |
| 11:39.26 | petemc | endra: stop whinging |
| 11:39.32 | enouf | endra: i guess i've also been slowly trying to understand regex and bash and c (and maybe even some perl), seems people who do regex well can get almost anything done fairly easily |
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| 11:39.53 | endra | petemc: I'll whing all I want thank you |
| 11:40.01 | enouf | endra: yeah, vim is your friend ;-) |
| 11:40.03 | petemc | right ho, ill stop listening to you |
| 11:40.16 | endra | why you be calling me a ho :( |
| 11:40.18 | enouf | should shutup, since even that scares him :-P |
| 11:40.23 | jamey-uk | enouf: okay it feels like I'm getting *somewhere*, like in that blog post (http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda) I've made a 96-backup.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ... but when I plug in a USB drive dmesg or /var/log/messages/ just reports same "detected usb device... unknown partition table [this is fine]" but nothing from udev... How can I debug or check that udev is running? |
| 11:40.44 | enouf | jamey-uk: udevmonitor? |
| 11:41.06 | enouf | jamey-uk: again though - udevadm might've replaced that |
| 11:41.10 | enouf | too |
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| 11:41.32 | jamey-uk | udevmonitor seems to be working :D |
| 11:41.41 | enouf | jamey-uk: are the modules scsi_mod and sd_mod loaded? |
| 11:41.48 | enouf | !usbdrive |
| 11:41.52 | enouf | gah |
| 11:41.58 | jamey-uk | hehe |
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| 11:42.41 | jamey-uk | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d276f88a7 |
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| 11:43.12 | enouf | jamey-uk: seems it's /dev/sdb |
| 11:43.25 | jamey-uk | yeah that's what it's always done, before hal/udev was installed |
| 11:43.27 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I force the kernel to re-read the partition table, _without_ a reboot? |
| 11:43.47 | jamey-uk | enouf: I just want my script to run now, that mounts my encrypted partition from /dev/sdb... |
| 11:44.20 | jamey-uk | so I've put a 96-backup.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ but maybe it isn't working? Should it say "96-backup.rules" applied to /dev/sdb with udevmonitor? |
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| 11:44.49 | enouf | jamey-uk: no, is the device partitioned and has data on it? |
| 11:45.26 | K_Sakura | On a This Has Been Somewhat Annoying For The Last Few Months But Not System Destroying note, does anybody know how to fix a Speedstream 5100 so it doesn't crash? |
| 11:45.41 | enouf | jamey-uk: you need to load the modules needed to access it (whatever truecrypt needs), and you should use SerialNumber or UUID as an ID for your device |
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| 11:46.03 | jamey-uk | yes it's partitioned by the entire partition is encrypted... I'm *not* going to be using the standard mount* tools, it'll be a truecrypt terminal command I need running. I already have a script that successfully mounts the encrypted drive from /dev/sdb into /media/usb-backup... I just need *this* script to run when a device is plugged in... I thought 96-backup.rules would make this work? |
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| 11:46.21 | enouf | jamey-uk: did you reload_rules once making changes? |
| 11:46.25 | jamey-uk | enouf: truecrypt already works therefore implying the modules are already loaded, correct? |
| 11:46.31 | enouf | might get stuck - stop start udev |
| 11:46.34 | jamey-uk | enouf: probably not :P I did /etc/init.d/udev force-reload |
| 11:46.40 | enouf | jamey-uk: logically |
| 11:46.44 | jamey-uk | what's the official reload_rules command? |
| 11:46.56 | enouf | udevcontrol reload_rules |
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| 11:47.34 | enouf | but sometimes it seems to not work - heck run /sbin/MAKEDEV even .. but that's not the issue /dev/sdb is there .. |
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| 11:48.24 | enouf | oh .. maybe have this script trigger your "I already have a script that successfully mounts the encrypted drive from /dev/sdb into /media/usb-backup." |
| 11:48.25 | enouf | ? |
| 11:48.46 | jamey-uk | enouf: that's what it's set as. Just that 96-backup.rules isn't working. |
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| 11:49.13 | enouf | jamey-uk: you have correct perms set and everything? |
| 11:49.37 | enouf | jamey-uk: and /dev/sdb works? there's no partitions? sdb1? |
| 11:50.05 | jamey-uk | no, no partitons because it says "invalid partition table" (whole drive is encrypted). It is definitely /dev/sdb because my truecrypt mount script works. |
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| 11:50.18 | enouf | i see |
| 11:50.35 | jamey-uk | so where else could perms be wrong, 96-backup.rules? ah... I've made it run /tmp/test.sh... does my user need to be in a particular group or something? |
| 11:50.36 | Arafangion | Crap. How do I recover my partition table? It is still being used (I'd have to reboot to really loose stuff) |
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| 11:50.45 | jamey-uk | enouf: what does udev run as, or who does the script run as...? |
| 11:50.53 | enouf | jamey-uk: you could test all as root |
| 11:51.25 | enouf | Arafangion: you go to your backup that sfdisk output nicely to a text file for you |
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| 11:52.02 | jamey-uk | enouf: ah, if I run "udevtest /dev/sdb" it parses all the files, including 96-backup.rules" and then says "unable to open device '/dev/sdb'"... Does that mean it needs permission to access /dev/sdb? Oddly, I'm running udevtest as root though... |
| 11:52.17 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm screwed. :) |
| 11:52.33 | Arafangion | Well, if I don't reboot, I'm still safe... |
| 11:52.36 | enouf | jamey-uk: seems so - could strace the command |
| 11:53.20 | enouf | Arafangion: what when and how did you mess it up? |
| 11:53.43 | Arafangion | enouf: Used cfdisk, and just wasn't paying attention. It failed to re-read the partition table, though. |
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| 11:53.56 | Arafangion | enouf: Didn't create new partitions either, just merely deleted them. |
| 11:54.10 | enouf | so you told it to [write]? and hit y ? |
| 11:54.19 | Gryfelhase | and fdisk can't list the partitions ? |
| 11:54.24 | Arafangion | enouf: Yup. |
| 11:54.43 | enouf | does cat /proc/partitions still show them correctly? |
| 11:54.53 | Arafangion | enouf: fdisk doesn't show the originals. |
| 11:54.58 | enouf | then do the sfdisk -d thing now - man sfdisk |
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| 11:55.08 | jamey-uk | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d616174d7 seems like only the last 10 lines or so apply, does this mean anything useful? |
| 11:55.10 | Arafangion | enouf: But /proc/partitions does show the originals. |
| 11:55.12 | enouf | hrm |
| 11:55.17 | enouf | heh |
| 11:55.24 | gcbirzan | Arafangion: Unmount all partitions you have mounted then write it in fdisk again. |
| 11:55.55 | gcbirzan | If you want to reread it... If you want to 'recover', use... gpart I think it was called |
| 11:56.11 | enouf | jamey-uk: use pastebin.ca instead from now on - or any other that does text/raw view |
| 11:56.38 | jamey-uk | enouf: ok sure thing, is that output stil okay though? |
| 11:57.20 | enouf | yep - i don't see anything useful though |
| 11:57.38 | Arafangion | enouf: fdisk talks in cylinders, while /proc/partitions talks in major and minors, and blocks. Do I have to convert from blocks to cylinders? |
| 11:57.50 | jamey-uk | enouf: ah... I think this might help me! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1578267&postcount=22 |
| 11:57.58 | enouf | jamey-uk: you have selinux enabled? |
| 11:58.04 | enouf | dmesg |
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| 11:58.21 | enouf | will tell you - or should |
| 11:58.31 | jamey-uk | enouf: yeah apparently so, SELinux is enabled |
| 11:58.34 | jamey-uk | why? |
| 11:58.40 | enouf | Arafangion: parted ftw ;-) |
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| 11:59.07 | enouf | jamey-uk: erm, ... think about it |
| 11:59.16 | Arafangion | enouf: Installing... :) |
| 11:59.24 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm so damn glad I didn't reboot. :) |
| 11:59.30 | enouf | heh |
| 11:59.43 | jamey-uk | enouf: nope, not coming to me... how do I remove SELinux? |
| 12:00.06 | enouf | jamey-uk: pretty sure the boot option selinux 0 would do it .. |
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| 12:00.13 | Arafangion | enouf: Somehow, I managed to delete everything except /boot |
| 12:00.19 | enouf | depends if that is allowed though |
| 12:00.25 | jamey-uk | enouf: it was a definitely a packge I installed recently that enabled selinux... :S |
| 12:00.26 | enouf | Arafangion: way to go! |
| 12:00.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:00.44 | enouf | jamey-uk: then maybe you can disable - look at docs |
| 12:00.49 | Arafangion | enouf: And I was planing on writing a git-perforce program tonight! |
| 12:01.41 | enouf | jamey-uk: are you even using debian? if so which release and kernel? |
| 12:01.52 | gcbirzan | Arafangion: Did you see my comment about using gpart? |
| 12:02.11 | enouf | yep gpart is cool |
| 12:02.19 | enouf | have it handy ;-) |
| 12:02.29 | Arafangion | gcbirzan: I did, I wasn't aware that it allowed such recoveries? |
| 12:02.41 | Arafangion | Bleh, the md5sum on parted has a mismatch. :( |
| 12:03.00 | jamey-uk | enouf: heh, nope not debian just #debian lot are so much friendlier :) |
| 12:03.11 | enouf | Arafangion: see if lshal still has correct info about partition sizes, it's in bytes there as well |
| 12:03.13 | endra | petemc: hey |
| 12:03.29 | Arafangion | gcbirzan: Damn, I like gpart's man page. :) |
| 12:03.32 | enouf | jamey-uk: i might spank you about now |
| 12:05.24 | jamey-uk | enouf: <eek> |
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| 12:06.33 | Arafangion | gcbirzan: gpart's impressive. |
| 12:06.34 | Arafangion | win 4 |
| 12:06.42 | gcbirzan | I know. |
| 12:07.25 | endra | how do I escape a { and } in the exim4 config ? |
| 12:08.29 | Arafangion | gcbirzan: Hmm, it's completely wrong. :( |
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| 12:09.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.11 | enouf | Arafangion: ouch .. :-P |
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| 12:12.12 | Arafangion | Actually I think gpart is correct, (Why, WHY isn't "mb" a standard uni?) |
| 12:12.27 | Arafangion | _the_ standard, rather. |
| 12:13.09 | enouf | it's old? written by a windows user? |
| 12:13.14 | enouf | hides |
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| 12:14.16 | Arafangion | Ok, the partition table is definetly messed up now |
| 12:14.26 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 12:14.26 | dpkg | hmm... \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 12:17.08 | Arafangion | enouf: You wouldn't believe how badly I've stuffed up... ;) |
| 12:17.24 | Arafangion | enouf: This is a personal machine, so at least I won't be sued. :) |
| 12:17.41 | enouf | heh |
| 12:18.01 | Arafangion | enouf: Fortunately, I've got two hdd's, both with <censored>'ed partition tables. |
| 12:18.25 | Arafangion | enouf: And data I must keep. :) |
| 12:18.55 | Arafangion | copies all the data he needs from one to the other, so that hopefully the one will be "unused", and therefore allow re-reading of the partition table. |
| 12:19.10 | Arafangion | will then copy them back, once the partition table is frigging sensible. |
| 12:20.07 | Arafangion | I'm too old for this crap. |
| 12:20.53 | enouf | Arafangion: backing up 64 measly bytes is not so hard to do to keep your sanity ;-) |
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| 12:21.21 | K_Sakura | I think I could be misremembering, but isn't the partition table stored in multiple places on the drive? (Or is it just the ext filesystem that does that?) |
| 12:21.36 | cizra | K_Sakura: Primary partitions are definitely stored in the MBR. |
| 12:21.42 | cizra | Dunno about extended |
| 12:22.01 | enouf | hte 1 possible ext'd is treated as a primary entry |
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| 12:22.13 | enouf | (in msdos style PTs) |
| 12:22.28 | endra | bah, im going to sleep.. maybe I'll have better luck @ day 3 |
| 12:22.51 | enouf | tickles endra 's feet in bed |
| 12:23.06 | endra | farts |
| 12:23.22 | enouf | whips out the taser, firehouse and whip :-P |
| 12:23.22 | endra | good night, thanks for the help petemc, neaai, and potential help enouf |
| 12:23.42 | K_Sakura | I was more of wondering because if its stored in a second place, couldn't Arafangion use one of the backups? (Assuming cfdisk is lazy and wouldn't wipe out all copies of the PT.) |
| 12:23.42 | Arafangion | endra: Potential? |
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| 12:23.48 | Neaai | endra: cheers. :) |
| 12:24.02 | enouf | Arafangion: yeah, i suck ass at email :-) |
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| 12:24.13 | Arafangion | K_Sakura: the partition table is at a lower-level than ext, which /uses/ the partitions. |
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| 12:24.48 | enouf | K_Sakura: he has (or had until two minutes ago) the correct needed infi |
| 12:24.51 | enouf | info |
| 12:25.53 | Arafangion | Fortunately I'm a linux user without a music or video collection, so the data I have to move is small. |
| 12:26.00 | Arafangion | Only 20-odd GB. |
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| 12:26.14 | enouf | K_Sakura: some/all windows versions do indeed make a copy ~ sector 69 or so, of sector 63 IIRC |
| 12:26.33 | enouf | K_Sakura: but that's only the 1st partition boot sector |
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| 12:27.50 | Arafangion | It would be irony if I had a blackout right now. |
| 12:28.15 | enouf | Arafangion: quick, flash your BIOS now! :-p |
| 12:28.18 | masus | hi all newbie question, im not sure maybe im asking in wrong channel, i can capture the web traffic port 80 with tcpdump but if i surf a website and click at once i get 7-10 responses from tcpdump is it possible to get only one response, |
| 12:28.28 | Arafangion | enouf: Doesn't that require DOS? ;) |
| 12:28.52 | enouf | well .. depends - but it can be done from a CD :-) |
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| 12:29.32 | Arafangion | enouf: Which likely has a DOS or some other bootloader on it. ;) |
| 12:30.14 | K_Sakura | I once put a DOS boot disk on a CD. (due to a lack of a floppy drive.) |
| 12:30.33 | Arafangion | K_Sakura: That's actually standard procedure for a boot cd. |
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| 12:30.56 | enouf | floppy emulation babay |
| 12:31.07 | Arafangion | K_Sakura: Infact, bootable CD's, as far as the bios is concerned, is nothing more than a 2.88MiB floppy disk. |
| 12:31.35 | Arafangion | K_Sakura: (Which is the maximum capacity you can format a floppy disk, btw, now, that floppy is not neccessarily reliable...) |
| 12:31.37 | enouf | though there's two usual ways, one is emulation, the other not |
| 12:31.46 | zamuro | is there a way to see metadata from original massage in a forwarded mail? |
| 12:31.54 | zamuro | s/massage/message |
| 12:31.58 | Arafangion | zamuro: Display all headers. |
| 12:32.05 | Arafangion | zamuro: They might be there. |
| 12:32.11 | enouf | strings, or hexeditot |
| 12:32.24 | petemc | why would there be binary information? |
| 12:32.25 | zamuro | Arafangion: It aint, neither in "show raw" |
| 12:32.25 | enouf | editor/viewer* |
| 12:32.56 | flami | most mail clients strip off the old headers when they forward, so my guess is naaaa |
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| 12:33.12 | enouf | petemc: uuencoding/base64? then open it in a text editor for all i care |
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| 12:33.23 | flami | zamuro: --^ |
| 12:33.23 | zamuro | enouf: Not in debian repos, ain't it? |
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| 12:33.47 | enouf | what's not? |
| 12:33.56 | zamuro | nvm... |
| 12:34.12 | zamuro | hexer - An interactive binary editor with a Vi-like interface |
| 12:34.13 | zamuro | ht - Viewer/editor/analyser (mostly) for executables |
| 12:34.14 | enouf | if the info isn't there .. then oh well.. |
| 12:34.24 | enouf | this isn't ms .doc email is it? :-) |
| 12:34.47 | zamuro | enouf: Nope. |
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| 12:35.07 | Arafangion | enouf: You would cry if you saw a UTF-7 email message. |
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| 12:35.29 | enouf | Arafangion: i already cry and break out in hives with standard emai; |
| 12:35.49 | Arafangion | enouf: Good. :) |
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| 12:36.03 | Arafangion | enouf: I've a script lying about tht converts them to xml, btw. :) |
| 12:36.12 | Arafangion | enouf: (I use it to archive mails) |
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| 12:36.13 | enouf | ewww.. |
| 12:36.24 | enouf | runs to the toilet ... |
| 12:37.06 | Arafangion | enouf: Thought you'd want to know. :) (Seriously, I wanted to be able to display them on any computer, and be able to easily copy them to a usb drive, etc - and web browsers support xslt transformations, so... By using xml and an xslt stylesheet, any computer cna read it) |
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| 12:37.41 | enouf | makes sense - or you mean any computer running Firepoop as it's browser :-P |
| 12:38.11 | Arafangion | enouf: Any browser containing supporting xslt transformations. :) |
| 12:38.17 | enouf | Arafangion: what's wrong with plain text? |
| 12:38.21 | Arafangion | enouf: I haven't tested FF, btw. :) |
| 12:38.39 | Arafangion | enouf: I didn't want to parse mangled html. ;) |
| 12:38.48 | enouf | it's gecko thing uses XUL/XSLT or something |
| 12:39.11 | enouf | Arafangion: html email users should be shot |
| 12:39.20 | flami | I got a problem with lenny , when i put my ipw2200 firmware into /lib/firmware booting takes a lot longer , during 30 seconds nothing happens to the 1st "done." . |
| 12:39.29 | Arafangion | And I support attachmetns as external files, plus a binary copy of the original incase I stuffed something up. |
| 12:39.36 | Arafangion | enouf: Nah, the html email users are fine. |
| 12:39.45 | Arafangion | enouf: It's the developers of Notes that should be shot. |
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| 12:45.06 | Agiofws | where would i put this in whcih file ? www.imagebin.org/30547 in .procmailrc ? |
| 12:45.26 | Deffie | hi all, anyone can suggest me a web interface to manage squid whitelisting ? |
| 12:45.58 | Agiofws | heh |
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| 12:46.28 | Workaholic | Anybody installed cacti before on debian? |
| 12:46.37 | Workaholic | I cannot get it to work, either by untarring or with apt-get |
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| 12:49.22 | dustybin | how can one add contents of one .txt file onto the end of another .txt file? |
| 12:49.39 | tarzeau | cat the.txt >> another.txt |
| 12:49.39 | petemc | cat file1 >> file2 |
| 12:49.46 | dustybin | aye thanks :) |
| 12:50.53 | Arafangion | enouf: I may be on the way to recovery here. :) |
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| 12:51.08 | Arafangion | enouf: Entire second HDD is now empty, unused, and has a working partition table. :) |
| 12:51.43 | Arafangion | enouf: Now I can tar -cvzP. :) |
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| 12:57.30 | Agiofws | is anyone here good in procmail ? |
| 12:58.20 | Arafangion | Agiofws: That style of requesting help is good if you're talking to someone one on one, or a small group. In a large group, just ask the real question. |
| 12:58.33 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 12:58.59 | Agiofws | can i tell mutt or procmail )if I recieve a message with "Subject: Fw: Fwd:" and with more than one address in the To: field ; block this email and send to that person a personal autoreply email ? |
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| 13:02.10 | Workaholic | Anybody have cacti running on debian? |
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| 13:04.19 | gcbirzan | Agiofws: You can tell procmail that, probably. |
| 13:04.33 | Agiofws | gcbirzan, the question is how |
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| 13:09.08 | Agiofws | can anyone help ? |
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| 13:16.56 | krzd | hi |
| 13:17.15 | Arafangion | wni 4 |
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| 13:19.48 | woake | i am using firefox 2.0 with lenny. I am getting a message that Gmail is not fully supported. |
| 13:20.09 | jpinx | how do I get a panel on the desktop to show the minimised windows? it's not coming up automagically:( |
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| 13:20.56 | woake | Gmail not fully supported by Firefox2.0? |
| 13:22.04 | jpinx | woake: use the html version of gmail |
| 13:22.13 | jpinx | I used to have that problem |
| 13:22.19 | Neaai | jpinx: do you have any existing panels on your desktop ? |
| 13:22.29 | jpinx | but why not upgrade to ff3? |
| 13:22.31 | raz0 | Or upgrade to Firefox 3? :) |
| 13:22.33 | jpinx | Neaai: yes |
| 13:22.41 | acemi | I use gmail with noscript extension |
| 13:22.48 | Neaai | jpinx: you can right click on it and select "new panel" from there. |
| 13:22.50 | Daggett | Does anyone ever tried the auto partitionning of the debian installer ? I can't make it do what I want it to do. It keeps on making 2 partitions (/ and swap) |
| 13:23.13 | Neaai | jpinx: I'm asuming you're using gnome |
| 13:23.16 | jpinx | Neaai: I do that, but when I minimise a window it doesn't appear in that panel |
| 13:23.29 | jpinx | Neaai: yes - gnome - soryy |
| 13:23.51 | jpinx | Daggett: that's the default |
| 13:24.09 | jpinx | Daggett: if you want something else use guided manual partitioning |
| 13:24.10 | Neaai | jpinx: now, in that new pannel, select "add to panel" and from the list pick "window list" |
| 13:24.17 | ^shark_ | Daggett: its because u have decided not to manually partition ur disk |
| 13:24.18 | enouf | Daggett: maybe it detected not enough system ram |
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| 13:24.35 | Daggett | yes but I specified some partition scheme in preseed.cfg |
| 13:24.45 | enouf | Daggett: right - thought so |
| 13:24.57 | jpinx | Neaai: thanks - that wa sit |
| 13:25.07 | Neaai | jpinx: cheers |
| 13:25.12 | jpinx | :) |
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| 13:26.14 | Daggett | and in Debian Installer documentation it is said that debian installer is supposed to follow the partition scheme defined in the preseed.cfg |
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| 13:28.05 | enouf | Daggett: try email debian-boot@lists.debian.org - see the wiki.debian.org about preseeding i guess as well - which release? Etch? Lenny beta2? |
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| 13:30.14 | infl00p | hi all, im having a problem with dev/pts after upgrading the devscripts and base-files packages? ican't create new ptys. debian sid. I didn't reboot because im afraid that it wont boot |
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| 13:30.33 | woake | jpinx, raz0, i use the package that comes with lenny. |
| 13:30.38 | Daggett | enouf: etch 4.0r5 i386 |
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| 13:31.08 | raz0 | woake, Firefox 3 is in lenny. |
| 13:31.14 | jpinx | woake: me too now |
| 13:31.27 | jpinx | just went up to lenny |
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| 13:32.15 | jpinx | but there's certain combinations of slow connection speed and older browsers that makes gmail almost unworkable - so use basic html version |
| 13:32.29 | woake | jpinx, raz0, actually it is iceweasel and 'apt-get show' shows 2,0 |
| 13:32.43 | raz0 | woake, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/iceweasel |
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| 13:32.52 | jpinx | woake: iceweasel *is* firefox without the branding |
| 13:34.01 | jpinx | woake: unless you have pressing reasons for staying with v2.xx I'd suggest you update and upgrade to 3.xx |
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| 13:34.49 | woake | i just did 'apt get upgrade' mins ago and it is "Source: iceweasel |
| 13:34.51 | woake | Version: 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1" |
| 13:35.10 | fengor_ | dont forget the upodate before the upgrade |
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| 13:35.20 | jpinx | woake: update first |
| 13:35.29 | jpinx | fengor_: snap |
| 13:35.39 | woake | jpinx: i did. |
| 13:35.46 | woake | let me try again. |
| 13:35.59 | jpinx | woake: ok - then ff2 is standard in etch |
| 13:36.33 | woake | jpinx: but i am using lenny. |
| 13:36.56 | jpinx | woake: then check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:37.14 | jpinx | sounds like you might have a stray reference to etch in there |
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| 13:37.41 | enouf | Daggett: ok, might send to both -users and -boot, see if you get a bite - try to be detailed as possible |
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| 13:40.26 | Daggett | enouf: ok thanks |
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| 13:41.25 | flami | is there a way to check what actually happens when my PC boots ? I got a 30 second pause where nothing happens, due to the ipw2200 firmware . |
| 13:41.36 | zleap | ok htat looked like a netsplit |
| 13:42.09 | enouf | flami: you get onscreen kernel messages, yes? |
| 13:42.15 | flami | yes |
| 13:42.36 | enouf | flami: go into BIOS and turn off any bootsplash/silentboot/quietboot .. oh .. |
| 13:42.39 | zleap | there is usually a delay while it finds an ip address |
| 13:42.46 | zleap | it if tries to look at a few interfaces |
| 13:42.47 | enouf | flami: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 13:42.59 | zleap | and you are using dhcp |
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| 13:43.17 | flami | wait a sec ill check where it exactly happens |
| 13:43.20 | enouf | flami: without the firmware, iface never comes up? |
| 13:43.27 | yang | voiplocal:/etc/apache2/mods-available# a2enmod php5 |
| 13:43.27 | yang | ERROR: Module php5 does not exist! |
| 13:43.36 | enouf | i mean, the firmware is kind of necessary no/ |
| 13:43.38 | enouf | ? |
| 13:43.40 | flami | yes without the firmware the ipw2200 cant be used |
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| 13:43.56 | flami | it didnt happens with etch if i remember right |
| 13:44.02 | enouf | sure it's the correct firmware? any other firmware in there? |
| 13:44.07 | woake | jpinx: i update from Australian site. It should be the latest, right? |
| 13:44.12 | flami | i think it hapened during the 2.6.24 -> 2.6.26 |
| 13:44.30 | flami | I only ahve this firmware , when i remove it it boots quickly |
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| 13:45.26 | hugh_ | hi all, i installed fcitx and make to make it start automatically when the KDE launches. how? TIA |
| 13:45.27 | enouf | flami: well, wasn't there a transition ... nm .. awe crap, so much has changed in networking devices in the kernel, Mac80211, iwlwifi, etc ... |
| 13:46.18 | woake | jpinx: my sources.list entry: deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:46.32 | enouf | flami: when it's loaded, and ifaces are working, check what ifconfig, ls -l sys/class/net/ shows - see if there's wmaster0 and wlan0 |
| 13:46.47 | jpinx | woake: maybe change that "testing" to "lenny" |
| 13:47.10 | flami | well my card works, its just that booting takes an eternity :P |
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| 13:47.26 | enouf | flami: don't boot :-P ; done |
| 13:47.37 | enouf | jpinx: lenny == testing |
| 13:47.53 | jpinx | enouf: yes - I know that |
| 13:48.00 | jpinx | just upgraded 4 systems |
| 13:48.04 | enouf | for now, anyway |
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| 13:48.29 | flami | butttt I wanna turn my pc off at night ( to save energy ) |
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| 13:48.38 | jpinx | enouf: better to refer by name, because testing will soon be something else (surrently sid) |
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| 13:48.47 | enouf | suspend/hibernate the sucker :-) |
| 13:49.07 | enouf | jpinx: not soon enough to worry about :-) |
| 13:49.24 | jpinx | as a matter of interest - what is the next name of testing? |
| 13:49.32 | petemc | squeeze |
| 13:49.32 | enouf | bunny .. no .. |
| 13:49.39 | enouf | yeah, squeeze |
| 13:49.48 | jpinx | squeeze????? |
| 13:49.53 | jpinx | lol |
| 13:49.58 | zleap | bunny ? they are still names of toy story characters |
| 13:50.04 | enouf | Another nail for my heart |
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| 13:50.21 | enouf | zleap: bunny was just my delerium |
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| 13:50.25 | zleap | ah |
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| 13:50.27 | zleap | ok |
| 13:50.32 | woake | jpinx: i did a 'apt-get install iceweasel', it went through. something is wrong with my system. |
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| 13:50.48 | enouf | for some reason, my brain associates squeeze->bunny ;-) |
| 13:50.55 | zleap | i wonder if we could move on to magic roundabout characters when we run out of toy story characters |
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| 13:51.09 | zleap | doogle, florence, zebedee, brian etc |
| 13:51.17 | OpenTokix | zog! |
| 13:51.20 | zleap | yeah |
| 13:51.43 | OpenTokix | Horny Hardon |
| 13:51.44 | enouf | redrum mrs. torrence |
| 13:51.54 | OpenTokix | sorry, wrong linux-distro-channel |
| 13:51.54 | zleap | but brian can come with a big canabis leaf on the disk lable, as he seem to spend a lot of time chewing canabis (i think) and saying things like hey man |
| 13:51.59 | jpinx | when will lenny become stable? |
| 13:52.05 | OpenTokix | jpinx: when its done |
| 13:52.06 | zleap | when its ready |
| 13:52.12 | jpinx | OpenTokix: :p |
| 13:52.24 | OpenTokix | jpinx: it's funny because it's true |
| 13:52.27 | flami | Hum Im not sure , but maybe this message wants to tell me that "itll take a little longer to boot" MC'97 0 converters and GPIO not ready (0x1) . but why tell me if none is not ready ? |
| 13:52.31 | jpinx | woake: did you change testing to lenny? |
| 13:52.56 | jpinx | OpenTokix: does that mean everything that's true is also funny? |
| 13:53.01 | OpenTokix | jpinx: |
| 13:53.04 | OpenTokix | jpinx: more or less |
| 13:53.04 | woake | jpinx: no, don't think it makes any diff, testing is lenny and vice versa. |
| 13:53.17 | OpenTokix | jpinx: lile less is more |
| 13:53.21 | jpinx | woake: try another mirror |
| 13:53.24 | OpenTokix | jpinx: and less is fun and more |
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| 13:53.40 | woake | jpinx: will try that, thks. |
| 13:53.45 | woake | bye. |
| 13:53.45 | flami | ahh no thats not it :/ |
| 13:53.50 | jpinx | woake: where are you? |
| 13:53.54 | jpinx | ooops |
| 13:53.57 | enouf | flami: you are aware of the log files in /var/log/ yes? /syslog, /messages, /kern.*.log, /dmesg etc? |
| 13:54.35 | flami | http://paste.debian.net/20803/ |
| 13:54.38 | flami | there you go |
| 13:54.41 | enouf | MC'97? not AC'97? |
| 13:54.52 | enouf | Audio == Media? |
| 13:54.52 | flami | here you can see the pause ... as you can see nothing happens in between :P |
| 13:55.19 | enouf | add debugging options to the firmware or module? |
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| 13:55.48 | flami | how do i do that ? |
| 13:55.52 | enouf | modinfo ipw2200 ? parm: debug:debug output mask (int) |
| 13:56.08 | nocte | hi, is there any tool to stress usb ? |
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| 13:56.12 | enouf | not sure that'll do anything - any ideas at ipw200.sf.net? |
| 13:56.19 | enouf | !ipw2200 |
| 13:56.19 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php (v3.0 for Etch and later Debian versions) and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. For Sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:56.35 | woake | what does the iceweasel add-on 'no squint' do? |
| 13:56.35 | flami | thats where i got the firmware from |
| 13:56.37 | enouf | stress? lmao |
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| 13:56.43 | enouf | plugin/pull out |
| 13:56.50 | enouf | 5000x in a row |
| 13:57.00 | nocte | k... |
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| 13:57.30 | enouf | flami: check the BTS? |
| 13:57.34 | enouf | using lenny? |
| 13:57.44 | enouf | etch-backports? |
| 13:57.50 | flami | lenny |
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| 13:58.16 | flami | I googled for quite some time . :P |
| 13:58.31 | flami | how do i change the parameters on a module? |
| 13:58.59 | flami | ( never had a problem so I dont know that yet ;) ) |
| 13:59.18 | enouf | maybe the firmware is checking to see if you're trying to netboot? i don't know what phase that crap loads - did you check bootlogd? |
| 13:59.18 | Supercazzora | hi, is it possible to use linuxBIOS on a pc motherboard (eg. Asus P5AB)? Tx |
| 14:00.25 | enouf | maybe disable DHCP and use static? maybe your /etc/network/if-pre* need something? or even /interfaces? |
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| 14:00.35 | flami | Supercazzora: theres not mayn Linux bios motherboards, check their website ( also they call tehmselves coreboot now ) |
| 14:00.57 | Supercazzora | flami, ok, tx |
| 14:01.10 | flami | enouf: I dont think that dhcp is enabled before swap |
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| 14:01.53 | flami | because the pause happens after the module loading and before the swap actiavation |
| 14:02.10 | flami | ( by god I shouldnt make so many typos |
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| 14:02.15 | helo | is it reliable to dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb if /dev/sda1 is my root partition and is mounted, or should i boot from a livecd? |
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| 14:02.45 | helo | i noticed that sdb is 50% faster than sda, so i am transferring everything to it :) |
| 14:02.47 | enouf | no |
| 14:04.09 | helo | i guess it is hard to know that the filesystem isn't changing in subtle ways from logging, etc, even if i'm not actively changing it |
| 14:04.50 | enouf | helo: if you could remount ro, then ok, but don't even bother trying |
| 14:05.05 | helo | heh yeah... the standard livecd is only 120MB |
| 14:05.18 | helo | hmm 130 |
| 14:06.18 | zleap | back later |
| 14:06.24 | flami | enouf: you emntioned bootlogd ... aint workin for me : "bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:1 in /dev " |
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| 14:09.50 | enouf | flami: ubuntu eh? |
| 14:11.02 | flami | nope :P |
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| 14:11.06 | flami | lenny |
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| 14:13.42 | grulk | Hi guys, I want to chmod 777 /var/log/syslog permanently. But when I reboot the computer it goes back to the previous stage |
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| 14:15.20 | flami | so bootlogd dont work in lenny ? |
| 14:15.21 | abrotman | grulk: do it correctly, put your user in the group that has access to read it |
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| 14:17.31 | grulk | abrotman, I already try useradd -G root user |
| 14:17.42 | grulk | it says, useradd: use exists |
| 14:17.46 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 14:17.49 | grulk | but still cannot read the file |
| 14:18.42 | grulk | also try useradd -G adm username |
| 14:18.56 | flami | it seems as if ipw2200 dont have a mailing list ... or am I missing something |
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| 14:19.58 | abrotman | adm group |
| 14:20.11 | steve | is there a problem with non-us.debian.org? it's not resolving for me |
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| 14:23.35 | helo | is there a faster server to download live debian ISO images from besides live.debian.net? |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | steve: long dead |
| 14:23.42 | helo | or is it round-robin dns? |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | see the live.debian.net website .. itmay say |
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| 14:24.50 | helo | i haven't been able to find anything |
| 14:25.07 | abrotman | guess not then |
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| 14:25.13 | abrotman | thought they had torrents |
| 14:25.28 | helo | hmm |
| 14:25.34 | helo | it is like 10KB/s for me... |
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| 14:27.19 | helo | tries to remember how to build a livecd locally |
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| 14:28.26 | helo | ahh live-helper |
| 14:28.43 | steve | abrotman: is it down or has it actually been disused? |
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| 14:30.01 | abrotman | steve: /msg dpkg non-us .. it's been unused for quite sometime, and is probably gone now |
| 14:30.12 | steve | thanks |
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| 14:34.10 | rodhash | Hello all |
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| 14:34.42 | rodhash | My Debian lenny is hanging sometimes on "Setting System Clock", does anyone have any idea ?? |
| 14:35.26 | enouf | !directisa |
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| 14:35.45 | enouf | oh well - maybe hpet=force .. but whatever .. |
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| 14:37.48 | flami | Is there a way to install an old kernel in lenny ? ( e.g. 2.6.24 ) |
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| 14:38.30 | abrotman | !tell flami about sdn |
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| 14:38.40 | abrotman | but i wouldn't unless you've got a very good reason... make the .26 work |
| 14:39.38 | enouf | flami: bootlog should work fine |
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| 14:40.00 | Agiofws | can some one help me witha procmail reciepe ? |
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| 14:40.30 | extor | How can I recreate a system by restoring from tar? I can't seem to copy/restore the /dev and /proc filesystems |
| 14:40.41 | geaaru | hi, i removed for an error /etc/mail directory... is there a way to reinit this directory with all file? |
| 14:40.44 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
| 14:40.50 | flami | bootlogd doesnt say aynthing when i run it in tty1 ... also /var/log/boot is empty |
| 14:40.58 | enouf | extor: you shouldn't |
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| 14:41.38 | extor | is there no way to do it? Even winders can be restored this way--I can't accept defeat |
| 14:41.44 | enouf | extor: /dev is populated via udev and kernel upon boot, and /proc is a VFS, so leave them alone, heck leave /sys out of it too |
| 14:41.56 | Roconda | hey, where can I get a new source.list ? |
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| 14:42.37 | Winnipeger | Hi... I've just installed Debian. My system sounds don't play at all. Music plays fine. Also, my user is a member of the audio group. Any ideas? |
| 14:42.41 | enouf | flami: it's not working for you according to your message, because the console device isn't present - custom kernel? ubuntu had that issue with bootlogd, iirc |
| 14:42.52 | flami | enouf: no |
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| 14:43.12 | extor | enouf, so my kernel panic is due to some other reason? |
| 14:43.42 | enouf | extor: how would i know? :-/ |
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| 14:44.05 | flami | enouf: well when i run it from the kde terminal window it gives me an error, not when i run it in "ctrl alt f1" . but /var/log/boot is empty anyway. |
| 14:44.21 | flami | does it say more then dmesg ? |
| 14:44.52 | muddd | which is better for removing old downloaded files: apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
| 14:44.52 | abrotman | Winnipeger: which WM/DE ? |
| 14:45.04 | abrotman | muddd: there is a difference and the man page explains this |
| 14:45.09 | muddd | doh sorry |
| 14:45.15 | muddd | i shall rtfm |
| 14:46.18 | Agiofws | can someone tell me if that directs mail to spam folder ? http://imagebin.org/30559 |
| 14:47.08 | flami | well im trying with the etchnhalf kernel now |
| 14:47.13 | flami | ill be back |
| 14:47.46 | Winnipeger | abrotman: I'm using Lenny, with Gnome. I've just installed libesd-also according to a post I found on the debian forums... now I am trying to restart alsa without having to restart my computer. Oh and I have gnome-audio installed. |
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| 14:48.29 | Roconda | hey, my server isn't getting any sources.list ... but dns works |
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| 14:49.56 | Winnipeger | hmm... perhaps I have to restart to make this work. |
| 14:49.59 | Winnipeger | back in a bit |
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| 14:50.20 | abrotman | winngah |
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| 14:50.29 | abrotman | Roconda: http proxy? |
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| 14:52.07 | Roconda | abrotman: you could be right!, lets check |
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| 14:53.05 | wea0_ | Hi, sometimes my system ends up in a state where keyboard input is no longer recognized. This has happened twice in the last few days. Is there anything I can do? |
| 14:53.53 | Winnipeger | no joy on sound after reboot. To cover the bases, I have Lenny and gnome with updates. I use alsa, and testing sound in sound preferences works fine. I have gnome-audio installed. And I have libesd-alsa0 installed. I've gone into alsamixer trying to mute, unmute and otherwise experiment, to no luck. |
| 14:54.20 | KRF | wea0, just curious, is it a dell laptop? |
| 14:54.22 | Roconda | abrotman: I exported http_proxy empty ... but no result |
| 14:54.37 | abrotman | Winnipeger: libesd-alsa0 .. or something like that |
| 14:54.48 | wea0_ | KRF: Nope, Fujitsu-Siemens. |
| 14:54.53 | Roconda | abrotman: it's always 2 No such file or directory |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | Roconda: can you `telnet www.google.com 80' and 'GET /' ? |
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| 14:55.08 | Winnipeger | abrotman: Yes, that was the tip I found on the forums. I installed it and restarted and continued to fiddle with settings, but it did not work. |
| 14:55.32 | abrotman | Winnipeger: is esd running? that may cause a conflict |
| 14:55.43 | Roconda | abrotman: no, connection refused .. but it can fetch the ips |
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| 14:55.46 | KRF | i also have that problem. it happens once a week or so. some forums stated its an xorg bug which happens sometimes if you really type fast |
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| 14:56.03 | wea0_ | Actually it's not only the keyboad which is not working. When I'm in this state then alsa volume via hardware volume wheel no longer responds and I can't reboot properly. |
| 14:56.54 | wea0_ | When I try to reboot I end up with a black screen. But I can Alt-SysRq-REISUB from there. |
| 14:56.55 | rvsjoen | nfs gives permission denied when trying to read/write to files, its mounted fine, the output of "id" is the same on both the server and the client, so the uid's match, it is mounted rw, nis is working fine since the user can log in... I am seriously out of option as to why I get permission denied here |
| 14:57.21 | Winnipeger | both ps aux | grep esd and lsmod | grep esd return nothing related to esd (except the search, under psaux |
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| 14:58.21 | abrotman | esound ? |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | Roconda: sounds like an http proxy to me |
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| 14:59.19 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:59.25 | Guardian`_ | hi |
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| 14:59.59 | Guardian`_ | I have a little problem with my install, I cant edit my xorg back |
| 15:00.01 | abrotman | Agiofws: there is absolutely no context .. of course it doesn't make sense |
| 15:00.20 | Agiofws | abrotman, does this make sense paste to http://paste.lisp.org/new/mutt ? |
| 15:00.24 | Agiofws | ah sorry |
| 15:00.33 | Agiofws | abrotman, www.imagebin.org/30564 does that make sense ?? |
| 15:00.35 | Winnipeger | Nothing. I have not actually installed esound I think, because I read I only needed the shared libraries and alsa would do all the heavy lifting |
| 15:00.40 | abrotman | don't ask me .. i'm just telling you it makes no sense |
| 15:00.44 | Guardian`_ | console says 'clem is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' |
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| 15:01.05 | abrotman | Winnipeger: i had the system sounds working, you did enable them in the preferences? |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | Guardian`_: did you install/configure sudo? |
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| 15:01.16 | Guardian`_ | no |
| 15:01.45 | Guardian`_ | I just need to be root anyhow, without X :> |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | so use 'su' |
| 15:02.14 | Guardian`_ | it doesnt work |
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| 15:02.46 | Guardian`_ | sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf --> You have a new mail in /var/mail/clem |
| 15:02.55 | Winnipeger | abrotman: Yes, I have checked the box and tested sounds. Clicking play on them does nothing. If, however, I simply navigate to /usr/share/sounds they play fine in totem. |
| 15:02.59 | Agiofws | why not ? |
| 15:03.51 | Guardian`_ | I can edit xorg but without root, which means I cant save |
| 15:03.53 | abrotman | Winnipeger: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. see if they have a hint .. |
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| 15:04.33 | Winnipeger | ok, cheers |
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| 15:05.40 | ubuntoil | Hi, I have a MacBook pro (06/2007), does anyone tried so far to install debian on a macbook pro ?? |
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| 15:06.34 | Roconda | abrotman: I found out that it's a broken ISP router ... |
| 15:06.54 | enouf | extor: all i was mentioning is that you don't want to try and save those 3 dirs ... you could try the --one-file-system and/or --exclude= options in rsync if you are attempting a backup |
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| 15:07.08 | Roconda | abrotman: but thanks for your input :) |
| 15:07.12 | enouf | is afk |
| 15:07.29 | Dogfood | 'ey, I'm trying to get rid of pagefile.sys on Vista Business (only thing keeping me from shrinking vista partition and making share partition for dual boot) |
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| 15:08.08 | Dogfood | I've set the system properties to "No paging file", rebooted. but still the damned file won't go away |
| 15:08.37 | petemc | vista -> bin |
| 15:08.47 | abrotman | Roconda: that's a bit odd .. but okay |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | Dogfood: ask ##windows |
| 15:09.05 | Dogfood | 'dir /a' can see the 3GB file on my C:\ but DELETE says "Could Not Find C:\pagefile.sys" |
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| 15:09.52 | fireba11 | Dogfood: it got system and hidden property, you can't just directly delete it. |
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| 15:11.16 | Dogfood | it shouldn't be there at all anymore >_< |
| 15:11.51 | Roconda | abrotman: where can I find a proxy server anywere else then export http_proxy? |
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| 15:13.16 | Dogfood | petemc: if I have to format entire hdd just to resize the damn partition, then Vista ain't coming back to my laptop... but that is a damn big hassle ._. |
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| 15:16.49 | Winnipeger | abrotman: I am the only person in gnome-debian... did you mean a different room? |
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| 15:16.59 | abrotman | Winnipeger: on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:17.03 | Winnipeger | ah |
| 15:17.04 | Winnipeger | sorry |
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| 15:20.01 | Roconda | abrotman: I rebooted the box and works now, kinda strange |
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| 15:24.16 | Winnipeger | abrotman: The info I read on debian forums was wrong. On lenny you need esound installed for system sounds to work. After installing it sounds worked like a charm. |
| 15:24.24 | Winnipeger | Thanks for the help. |
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| 15:25.28 | Roconda | abrotman: lol, it was squid |
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| 15:27.40 | vignesh | I use evolution to check my gmail |
| 15:28.03 | vignesh | How do I get it to display the account name instead of "On this computer" |
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| 15:29.26 | vignesh | I have set the name to Gmail so I want to see Gmail and below that the mail folders, inbox, sent etc |
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| 15:29.45 | vignesh | how do I do that ? |
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| 15:34.12 | Melih | fuck |
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| 15:34.40 | AbsintheSyringe | vignesh, set up imap? |
| 15:35.00 | vignesh | no pop3 |
| 15:35.36 | AbsintheSyringe | vignesh, no I'm saying set up imap and you'll get that |
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| 15:35.47 | vignesh | Oh..ok |
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| 15:36.03 | vignesh | I think I`ll stay with pop3.. |
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| 15:36.05 | vignesh | np |
| 15:36.38 | petemc | is evolution not shit any more? |
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| 15:38.33 | vignesh | nope |
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| 15:38.52 | vignesh | It downloads email.. thats all I need |
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| 15:39.35 | petemc | that, and to have it display your preferred text.. |
| 15:40.41 | vignesh | Hehe |
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| 15:51.46 | wea0_ | Hi, sometimes my system ends up in a state where keyboard input is no longer recognized. This has happened twice in the last few days. Is there anything I can do? |
| 15:52.08 | funktor | is it a laptop? |
| 15:52.38 | wea0_ | yes |
| 15:52.43 | funktor | toshiba? |
| 15:53.02 | wea0_ | Fujitsu-Siemens. |
| 15:53.04 | funktor | does it have a volume control knob? |
| 15:53.13 | funktor | or any other special button? |
| 15:53.23 | wea0_ | yes, ... that one also stopps working |
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| 15:54.04 | helo | how do i make the /dev/raw0, etc after i modprobe raw? |
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| 15:56.19 | simonrvn | helo: is this a production server? if not install udev, and let that handle it (you'll have to re-insert the module, or run udevtrigger [or udevadm trigger if on lenny/sid]) |
| 15:56.37 | simonrvn | er, insert a comma after 'if not' |
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| 15:58.08 | simonrvn | helo: if it is, then look it up in <kernel source>/Documentation/devices.txt (or on the web, same file) |
| 15:58.36 | wea0_ | funktor: What to do? |
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| 15:58.57 | funktor | wea0_ toshiba volume control breaks the keyboard input |
| 15:59.05 | funktor | it just isnt handled properly |
| 15:59.14 | funktor | it is quite complicated to get it fixed |
| 15:59.27 | funktor | there is a quick way to get keyboard control back |
| 16:00.13 | funktor | randomly keep pressing alt and shift and whatever key or roll the volume dial until the control gets back |
| 16:00.29 | wea0_ | Hmm, ... my volume control has been working for a long time, but the keyboard outages only started recently. |
| 16:00.39 | funktor | oh |
| 16:00.44 | funktor | It could be something different |
| 16:01.00 | funktor | Try and see if it happens when you do something specific |
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| 16:01.09 | funktor | Or completely randomly |
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| 16:01.31 | wea0_ | Still might have something to do with it because the keyboard and the volume control stop at the same time. |
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| 16:01.58 | funktor | the volume control is just another keyboard key |
| 16:02.10 | funktor | so if the keyboard stops that will stop as well |
| 16:02.28 | funktor | but in some laptops it does some crazy things and X freaks out and keyboard input halts |
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| 16:02.56 | wea0_ | I'll try your workaround when it happens the next time. Yesterday it happened while playing a game and today while wating a video, .. no pattern so far. |
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| 16:03.22 | funktor | if the alt-shift thing doesnt work try restarting X (ctrl alt backspace) |
| 16:03.34 | funktor | if that doesnt work then it might be something more serious |
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| 16:04.39 | wea0_ | ctrl alt backspace doesn't seem to work in this state, only Alt-SysRq-REISUB does |
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| 16:05.05 | funktor | can you change to a terminal from X? |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:05.17 | funktor | yes |
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| 16:05.47 | wea0_ | no, not in this state |
| 16:06.17 | raz0 | Mouse works fine? |
| 16:07.10 | wea0_ | yes |
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| 16:14.29 | samd | how do i chage drive to /dev/sda2 or /dev/sda3 from /dev/sda1 |
| 16:14.50 | metamorphus | samd: man mount |
| 16:15.09 | samd | ok |
| 16:15.18 | samd | can u pls explain |
| 16:15.18 | simonrvn | the number depends on which is discovered by the kernel first, so change that, and you change which one gets what number. |
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| 16:15.24 | simonrvn | samd: ^^^ |
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| 16:16.48 | simonrvn | samd: usually, but not always, it's which one is seen by the computer first. |
| 16:17.02 | simonrvn | metamorphus: how can man mount help with this? |
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| 16:20.21 | samd | yes i am able to mont that drive and acess it |
| 16:20.23 | samd | thx |
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| 16:21.34 | samd | no dear i am not able to |
| 16:21.35 | samd | sorry |
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| 16:27.48 | sinizzl | hi |
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| 16:28.56 | sinizzl | i wanna edit /etc/hosts so that it redirects annoying ad-servers (such as *.doubleclick.net) to localhost. however, i have to specifiy, for instance, "ad.de.doubleclick.net" to redirect it, i cannot just redirect "doubleclick.net" or "*.doubleclick.net". is there any way i can redirect anything that ends with doubleclick.net to localhost? |
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| 16:37.34 | teratoma | sinizzl: not by editing /etc/hosts |
| 16:37.52 | sinizzl | teratoma: how then? |
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| 16:42.12 | jamon | try privoxy sinizzl |
| 16:42.18 | jamon | that's easiest |
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| 16:43.38 | abrotman | teratoma: most people use a plugin like adblock |
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| 16:44.21 | jamon | but adblock doesn't stop requests at the dns resolution level |
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| 16:45.23 | Winnipeger | I've set up a complicated apt/preferences file, because I want to be able to install the flashplugin-nonfree from unstable, but that's all. I've based this on a debian wiki entry and an entry on the debian forums. I'm hoping someone will take a look at this and give me there opinion before I aptitude update and upgrade. Here is my /etc/apt/preferences file... http://pastebin.com/m2afc04ab |
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| 16:46.31 | abrotman | Winnipeger: /msg dpkg dmm .. get flash there |
| 16:47.17 | stew | Winnipeger: you can alwyas run "apt-cache policy" or "apt-cache policy pacakgename" to check that the priorities are being picked up the way you are expecting |
| 16:47.50 | stew | jamon: with adblock, you'd never be making the DNS request in the first place |
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| 16:49.33 | jamon | stew: ah, it blocks dns then too? might have to try it out |
| 16:49.42 | jamon | though i do so like privoxy :) |
| 16:51.13 | stew | jamon: it does not block dns. it removes the items from the page completely so its as if the html you got from the server never included the ad in the first place |
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| 16:57.09 | Winnipeger | abrotman: I found and installed the flash plugin from that site. Just a simple deb. Won't stay updated, but at least it's easy to uninstall cleanly now. |
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| 17:01.36 | akitada_ | there're too many packages for git scm, like git-core, git-daemon-run, gitweb, gitk, git-completion... why doesn't debian just provide single git package? just think cvs or subversion package. they are packaged more simple way |
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| 17:07.19 | themill | akitada_: it's not true that there is a single svn package either: apt-cache search subversion | wc -l == 92. (The apache interface to svn, for example, is in a separate package). |
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| 17:08.31 | akitada_ | themill: but less than git, isn't it? |
| 17:08.42 | Nwallins1 | is there a way to call an alias, from a bash script, that is defined in the user's current context? |
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| 17:09.05 | themill | akitada_: maybe, probably not. |
| 17:09.31 | Gentoon | any debian user here? |
| 17:09.35 | Nwallins1 | e.g. alias foo='bar'; ./some_script_that_calls___foo___.sh |
| 17:09.55 | stew | Gentoon: hundreds |
| 17:10.17 | Gentoon | well would one come forward lol |
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| 17:10.50 | stew | Gentoon: if you have a question, just ask it, there are hundreds of debian users here |
| 17:10.54 | zysr | kicks dirt in abrotman's face |
| 17:11.11 | Gentoon | yes i know stew, lol |
| 17:11.50 | zysr | I have a question |
| 17:12.05 | zysr | Why does abrotman have no life |
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| 17:12.08 | Gentoon | im just worried if i do go back to debian, that the community there has gone downhil, and i hear the developers have no solid direction |
| 17:12.18 | themill | zysr: unhelpful and unwelcome |
| 17:12.26 | peterrooney | Gentoon: ...and if you really want a debian user, join #debian. Expect a gentoosmite, given your nick. |
| 17:13.12 | peterrooney | Gentoon: whoops, i thought i was in #bash... |
| 17:13.26 | peterrooney | hangs head in shame and stands in corner |
| 17:13.31 | Gentoon | well after years of building my own everything, i realized it doesnt really give you that much edge |
| 17:13.56 | stew | !gentoosmite Gentoon |
| 17:13.56 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling Gentoon, and when it's all done, Gentoon runs 8% slower than previously |
| 17:14.33 | Gentoon | mm hmm |
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| 17:15.28 | Gentoon | i can't ask i #debian because all they say is everything is the same as it was 6 years ago, but hat is obviously not true |
| 17:15.35 | Gentoon | in |
| 17:15.43 | Gentoon | that |
| 17:16.18 | Gentoon | sorry for the ignorance of capital letters and the typos, i am on a phone |
| 17:16.31 | themill | Gentoon: what channel do you think you're in? |
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| 17:16.32 | jamon | Gentoon: do you have a question for us? |
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| 17:16.44 | Laeborg | hi |
| 17:16.49 | Gentoon | lmao |
| 17:17.03 | sshock | anyone know how to feed non-printable characters to openssl for the password? |
| 17:17.08 | Gentoon | this isn't ##linux |
| 17:17.18 | Laeborg | how can i get my server to start vnc4server on my user, when the system boots up ? |
| 17:17.22 | Gentoon | wow, I am retarded |
| 17:17.46 | Nwallins1 | Laeborg: init scripts |
| 17:17.57 | Nwallins1 | Laeborg: rc.d |
| 17:18.00 | sshock | Even if I use -pass file:myfile, that won't work because the password has linefeeds in it |
| 17:18.03 | peterrooney | Laeborg: have the user run `crontab -e ', after telling them about the @reboot shortcut. |
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| 17:21.18 | vrodic | hi guys, where exactly is debian patent policy stated? |
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| 17:21.42 | abrotman | can't tell you .. that's patented |
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| 17:22.05 | Gentoon | what in debian is patented? |
| 17:22.15 | n3kl | can someone shed some light on what could cause this? :http://paste.debian.net/20823/ |
| 17:22.29 | stew | vrodic: debian doesn't have a patent policy |
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| 17:23.11 | vrodic | stew, using what policies do the maintainers then decide to include or exclude certain patents |
| 17:23.15 | vrodic | stew, ? |
| 17:23.34 | AbsintheSyringe | how can I check if the server supports imap with nmap let's say? |
| 17:23.36 | vrodic | stew, certain packages covered with patents I mean |
| 17:23.36 | abrotman | vrodic: cany ou give us an example ? |
| 17:23.42 | stew | vrodic: its not up to the maintainers, its up to the descresion of the ftp-masters |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: you could just telnet to the imap port |
| 17:23.53 | vrodic | x264 was removed from debian |
| 17:23.59 | themill | vrodic: debian tries to avoid software which would seem to be in clear breach of a patent that is likely to be enforced (e.g. mp3 patents) |
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| 17:24.04 | jpinx | goes off to install a minimum lenny |
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| 17:24.11 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, nmap -v -sS -P0 -O HOST does the job, but what I should just conclude that on the opened port list? |
| 17:24.23 | jelly | themill: and that's why there's no mp3 decoding software in debian! |
| 17:24.33 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: just because the port is listening does not mean it's an imapd |
| 17:24.34 | vrodic | themill, but we still have vlc, mplayer etc in debian |
| 17:24.43 | vrodic | themill, all supporting mp3 |
| 17:24.49 | vrodic | themill, and mpeg2 etc |
| 17:24.55 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, hm, check this |
| 17:24.58 | vrodic | just not x264 for some reason |
| 17:25.08 | left_blank | hi, i cant find were is modprobe log file, if there is any. I'm tying to install the tg3 module on a Dell R300 (Broadcom netxtrem card), the card wasn't reconized during the installation. |
| 17:25.10 | stew | jelly: notice he said "likely to be enforced" which the decoder patents are not. the encoder patents are, which is why there isn't mp3 encoders in debian |
| 17:25.27 | jelly | vrodic: though, ffmpeg build is crippled wrt to encoding capabilities |
| 17:25.43 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, I'm sniffing this server, 0/tcp open http 443/tcp open https 465/tcp open smtps 995/tcp open pop3s, no 993 no imap? ssl 443 I personally use on my server to send mail (using imap) |
| 17:25.55 | vrodic | jelly, but x264 could be built crippled regarding the encoding caps also |
| 17:26.06 | AbsintheSyringe | so with that information can I safely conclude this server doesn't have imap support? |
| 17:26.07 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: so maybe they don't do imap .. why is that surprising ? |
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| 17:26.46 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, nothing, just wondered since I got an email account with these guys and I love imap, so ... :) |
| 17:27.35 | themill | vrodic: there is, of course, debian-multimedia.org where these things live on an unofficial basis. |
| 17:27.46 | jelly | stew: cutting out stuff "likely to be enforced" sounds like self-censorship |
| 17:27.51 | vrodic | themill, thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 17:28.21 | vrodic | themill, but as we have non-free, we could also have patent section that includes all the patent protected sw |
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| 17:28.30 | stew | jelly: yes, of course |
| 17:28.49 | themill | vrodic: except that non-free contains software that debian is actually allowed to distribute, it's just not Free. |
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| 17:29.09 | stew | vrodic: the problem with the patent protected software is that distributing it may cause a liability for people running the mirrors |
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| 17:29.25 | vrodic | themill, just because sw patents are not valid in EU, and with recent court decisions some would argue that patents are not enforceable in US |
| 17:29.47 | vrodic | stew, i understand |
| 17:29.50 | stew | vrodic: i don't think the people running the mirrors want to be the ones that test this argument |
| 17:30.06 | themill | vrodic: they do exist in the EU too through the back door. Also, debian can't really do a "non-US" and a "non-EU" and a "non-XX" for each jurisdiction. |
| 17:30.21 | vrodic | stew, i was just wondering what's the current wisdom, and no-encoders seems like a good answer |
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| 17:31.02 | themill | vrodic: it's patchy because everything beyond helloworld.c is covered by some stupid patent or other. That's why I said "likely to be enforced". |
| 17:31.19 | stew | vrodic: 'no-encoders' is not a universal answer, its the answer at least for mp3, maybe x264 |
| 17:31.28 | stew | there was a discussion of thie recently on -project or -devel |
| 17:32.11 | stew | the discussion starts somewhere around here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/10/msg00102.html |
| 17:32.18 | stew | vrodic: you might find some of that interesting ^^ |
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| 17:32.39 | vrodic | stew, yeah, I'll check it out |
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| 17:33.12 | stew | vrodic: note most of the people involved in that discussion are Debian Developers, but none are actually in a position to make actual decisions about this stuff (ftp-masters) |
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| 17:36.13 | vrodic | stew, i just wanted to get the feeling about the current status of patent issues, thanks |
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| 17:36.56 | NaNaM | hi |
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| 17:45.05 | Agiofws | how can i tell mutt to read Folder: spam/new/1225992929.10473_1.ixus that spambox specifically ? |
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| 17:45.46 | teratoma | Agiofws: mutt -f spam/new/1225992929.10473_1.ixus |
| 17:45.48 | fluxdude | blah, I deleted the debian mysql user for maintenance but debian is seemingly terrible without it, how do I get it back? |
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| 17:46.01 | teratoma | fluxdude: make the user over again |
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| 17:46.12 | fluxdude | teratoma: yeah but I don't know what pw to set... |
| 17:46.18 | fluxdude | where can I find that...? |
| 17:46.24 | fluxdude | and what perms should the user have? |
| 17:46.47 | teratoma | fluxdude: its listed in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 17:47.01 | Agiofws | teratoma, THANK YOU |
| 17:47.22 | teratoma | fluxdude: i dont remember. i think you give it all priv! not sure |
| 17:47.40 | fluxdude | teratoma: thanks |
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| 17:49.06 | cga | http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/alex-castellanos-obama-the-open-source-president/ |
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| 18:04.06 | gigo | hi, I am unable to find the pycrypto package in Debian. is it available? |
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| 18:04.55 | themill | dpkg: info python-crypto |
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| 18:05.25 | dpkg | python-crypto: (cryptographic algorithms and protocols for Python), section python, is optional. Version: 2.0.1+dfsg1-2.3 (sid), Packaged size: 221 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 18:05.27 | themill | gigo: ^^ perhaps? |
| 18:06.04 | gigo | ok. I didn't know pycrypto is present as python-crypto in debian |
| 18:06.21 | themill | gigo: I don't know if that's the right package for you... you'll have to look |
| 18:06.55 | gigo | themill: yes, that's the right one. read the README in this package: heading says: "Python Cryptography Toolkit (pycrypto)". thanks :-) |
| 18:07.05 | themill | np |
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| 18:07.39 | gigo | any command to read ps.gz files in Debian? something like zless for reading txt.gz? |
| 18:08.58 | amphi | ISTR gv would open a .ps.gz |
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| 18:11.49 | ernet | czesc jest ktos z Polski ? |
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| 18:15.13 | amphi | !pl |
| 18:15.14 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 18:25.04 | nouri | I see that some configuration directories have a |
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| 18:25.18 | nouri | I see that some configuration directories have a ".d" at the end. What's it for? |
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| 18:25.40 | kunwon1 | nouri, that generally means that configuration files in those directories will be loaded automatically |
| 18:25.55 | nouri | kunwon1: All of them? |
| 18:26.07 | kunwon1 | nouri, I believe that's the convention, yes |
| 18:26.13 | nouri | kunwon1: Okay, thanks |
| 18:26.16 | Gentoon | i thought it meant daemon |
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| 18:27.17 | stew | nouri: if you ask us about specific directories, we could maybe give you a more precise answer, but often it is a directory of config files to be included, often a directory of scripts to be run with run-parts |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | it allows for multiple config files to be read without all of them triyng ot manage a single conf file |
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| 18:27.49 | nouri | stew: I was wondering what it was about generally |
| 18:28.12 | stew | right, which allows a package to manage a piece of a config file easily by adding or removing a file, instead of having to touch the config file of another package |
| 18:28.36 | Gentoon | where does the debian userspace come from? |
| 18:28.49 | stew | Gentoon: what do you mean? |
| 18:29.33 | Gentoon | like is it from some generic template as to what all userspaces should be |
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| 18:30.00 | Gentoon | or was it specificly designed for debian? |
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| 18:30.11 | stew | Gentoon: what exactly do you mean by "userspace"? |
| 18:30.39 | Gentoon | im not sure how to be more specific.. |
| 18:30.54 | Gentoon | you have a kernel and you have a userspace... |
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| 18:32.52 | stew | Gentoon: the software in debian comes from lots of different places. /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright should tell you where the software in a specific package came from |
| 18:32.53 | pepve | Gentoon, kernel- and userspace usually refers to the environment in which certain code is executed |
| 18:33.35 | Gentoon | sigh... |
| 18:33.44 | Gentoon | nevermind, thanks though |
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| 18:37.07 | ThePuppetMaster | hello @all |
| 18:37.18 | ThePuppetMaster | if i connect a gps mouse on my debian i will get a error message like: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/all, error -71 |
| 18:37.18 | Gentoon | hi |
| 18:37.26 | ThePuppetMaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.51 | pepve | i just had a friend burn debian-LennyBeta2-ia64-netinst.iso for me (on Windows with Nero), but it doesn't boot, although i can read the contents just fine (on my current Lenny desktop)... i then came up with the idea to boot from floppies, but there don't seem to be any... anyone got more ideas to boot the installer on my new box? |
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| 18:39.41 | themill | pepve: what are you trying to install on? (cpu) |
| 18:39.50 | ThePuppetMaster | on the internet i only find -110 errors .. but no -71 |
| 18:40.01 | pepve | themill, E1200 |
| 18:40.07 | doti | hello. If the users group is inside the audio group and i add a user to the users group, is the user in audio? |
| 18:40.26 | themill | pepve: i.e. an intel celeron E1200? |
| 18:40.26 | pepve | themill, Celeron Dual-core 1.6Ghz, that is |
| 18:40.29 | pepve | yup |
| 18:40.31 | themill | dpkg: tell pepve about ia64 |
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| 18:41.19 | pepve | now i feel stupid |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | doti: a group can't be a member of other group |
| 18:41.32 | themill | pepve: you want either amd64 or i386 (with a 686 or amd64 kernel). You don't want ia64. |
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| 18:42.07 | doti | jelly-home: ok. So, how can i set de defaults groups for the new users? |
| 18:42.17 | pepve | themill, thanks a lot :) |
| 18:42.23 | themill | np |
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| 18:43.05 | jelly-home | doti: /etc/adduser.conf; there's a man page |
| 18:43.16 | Gentoon | i think i have decided on going back to debian |
| 18:43.21 | doti | jelly-home, thanks |
| 18:43.24 | Gentoon | lenny |
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| 18:47.34 | fukazzz | hello all. Does anybody meet a problem with X killing while switching between virt console? debian lenny |
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| 18:47.50 | teratoma | why does my machine want to install packages from unstable? http://pastebin.com/m2c5abd71 |
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| 18:48.16 | fukazzz | if I press ctrl+alt+fn, after some time my X go down, gdm is restarted :( |
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| 18:50.23 | adb | teratoma: because of that line > deb http://apt-proxy:9999/debian sid ... |
| 18:50.44 | teratoma | adb: i put the pin priority for sid in /etc/apt/preferences really low |
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| 18:52.50 | themill | teratoma: what happens if you change lenny to testing and sid to unstable in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 18:53.04 | teratoma | themill: i just tried that... and now it works the way i think it should. why is that ? |
| 18:53.25 | themill | teratoma: nfc. pinning is deeply mysterious voodoo that never works quite as you expect. |
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| 19:01.44 | pickcoder | builds yet another 2.6.28 RC image |
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| 19:02.58 | pickcoder | if this doesn't work and an upgrade to Lenny to get libc 2.7 doesn't work then I'll be forced to run FC9... :( |
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| 19:03.22 | themill | *gasp* |
| 19:03.27 | pickcoder | I know... |
| 19:03.33 | pickcoder | no choice at this point |
| 19:03.41 | pickcoder | except going to windoze |
| 19:03.46 | pickcoder | b/c the boards work fine under it |
| 19:04.13 | pickcoder | hopes 2.6.28-RC3 solves the issue |
| 19:04.33 | themill | Why would FC9 be any different? |
| 19:04.41 | pickcoder | it's running libc6 2.8 |
| 19:04.48 | pickcoder | which I think may be the problem |
| 19:04.51 | pickcoder | 2.3 is kinda old |
| 19:05.01 | pickcoder | is just speculating |
| 19:05.02 | themill | for hardware support? |
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| 19:05.16 | pickcoder | well the vanilla kernel works fine on FC9 |
| 19:05.19 | pickcoder | it doesn't on Debian |
| 19:05.21 | pickcoder | Etch |
| 19:05.34 | pickcoder | I'm testing RC3 to match the support team's build |
| 19:05.48 | themill | pickcoder: have you tried a lenny daily? or the etchnhalf installer? |
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| 19:06.01 | pickcoder | what libc comes with etchnhalf? |
| 19:06.08 | pickcoder | 2.3? |
| 19:06.11 | jelly-home | pickcoder: same as with etch |
| 19:06.15 | pickcoder | doesn't help |
| 19:06.16 | themill | pickcoder: glibc has nothing to do with hardware support though |
| 19:06.32 | pickcoder | I'll be trying Lenny if the RC3 kernel doesn't solve the problem |
| 19:06.56 | pickcoder | thinks it was a driver update in RC2 that he didn't get |
| 19:08.07 | pickcoder | notes that marketing will be happy to get a newer wordpress version from lenny |
| 19:08.10 | jelly-home | pickcoder: I don't see your actual issue in the lastlog; how exactly does the vanilla 2.6.28rcwhatever not work for you? |
| 19:08.22 | jelly-home | what's the problem? |
| 19:08.30 | pickcoder | RC1 didn't work with the patches provided by the vendor |
| 19:08.38 | pickcoder | but it worked on FC9 with the same kernel source |
| 19:08.42 | pickcoder | shrugs |
| 19:08.53 | jelly-home | what didn't work? |
| 19:09.05 | pickcoder | IQExpress boards from mainpine |
| 19:09.13 | pickcoder | they show up in dmesg |
| 19:09.21 | pickcoder | and you can change the port settings on the dev nodes with stty |
| 19:09.27 | pickcoder | nothing can talk to the ports though |
| 19:09.34 | jelly-home | serial? |
| 19:09.34 | pickcoder | cu/minicom/faxaddmodem/etc |
| 19:09.36 | pickcoder | yup |
| 19:09.43 | jelly-home | SAY SO! |
| 19:10.15 | jelly-home | and the exact same kernel used on FC9, fails here? |
| 19:10.20 | pickcoder | yup |
| 19:10.26 | pickcoder | as far as I was told |
| 19:10.35 | Gentoon | fc10 is out, no? |
| 19:10.37 | pickcoder | I'm trying RC3 to match the dev's build test |
| 19:10.42 | pickcoder | 10 is coming |
| 19:10.48 | pickcoder | a couple weeks out |
| 19:11.04 | Gentoon | is there an rc? |
| 19:11.05 | jelly-home | pickcoder: you can't get the actual binaries they used? |
| 19:11.25 | pickcoder | jelly-home: no because I'm not running AMD64 |
| 19:11.27 | pickcoder | he is |
| 19:11.38 | jelly-home | oh, it's all hearsay then |
| 19:11.38 | pickcoder | but that's not relevant here |
| 19:11.55 | pickcoder | I don't think he'd lie about this considering the number of Linux users running their boards |
| 19:12.18 | pickcoder | it's a brand new production design |
| 19:12.28 | jelly-home | I mean, it's second-hand data |
| 19:12.36 | pickcoder | I was lucky enough to get one of the first sets of 2-port boards |
| 19:12.45 | pickcoder | well, it all is |
| 19:12.52 | pickcoder | unless he builds it himself on my machine |
| 19:13.09 | pickcoder | which is kinda moot since I don't need him to |
| 19:13.11 | pickcoder | :) |
| 19:13.20 | Gentoon | i will |
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| 19:14.01 | pickcoder | the sad news is that their boards won't work on Etch or Lenny |
| 19:14.16 | pickcoder | without a custom kernel |
| 19:14.28 | jelly-home | it's new hardware, that's nothing unusual |
| 19:14.38 | martin3z | hi |
| 19:14.50 | pickcoder | true.. except the old boards cause kernel hang-ups from IRQ overwork |
| 19:14.54 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 19:14.55 | jelly-home | kernels are interchangeable |
| 19:15.02 | martin3z | i'm compiling kernel 2.6.27.4 under lenny, with various configurations |
| 19:15.13 | pickcoder | yup and I have no problem updating and customizing my system |
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| 19:16.02 | martin3z | i got error: "__bad_udelay" [drivers/net/tokenring/tms380rt.ko] undefined! |
| 19:16.45 | martin3z | but only if Optimize for size option is off |
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| 19:17.01 | jelly-home | martin3z: do you have that token ring card? You could just disable the driver |
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| 19:17.38 | pickcoder | martin3z: you should probably mention that in the Debian kernel room |
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| 19:18.28 | jelly-home | "channel". #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org |
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| 19:18.44 | pickcoder | I dunno what the optimization flag would have to do with a code flag though |
| 19:19.27 | martin3z | ok, i try to disable it, but i don't know where |
| 19:20.45 | pickcoder | it should be in the networking device list in the make menuconfig menu |
| 19:20.56 | pickcoder | try building it into the kernel instead |
| 19:20.59 | pickcoder | before you disable it |
| 19:21.26 | jelly-home | wtf would one want to compile in useless drivers |
| 19:21.33 | pickcoder | to see if it's a driver code bug |
| 19:21.41 | pickcoder | as a module |
| 19:21.49 | martin3z | i found it, token ring section in networking, you had right |
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| 19:22.36 | jelly-home | ah. I don't do kernel debugging much |
| 19:22.51 | martin3z | i build it into kernel and i will see, thanks a lot |
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| 19:23.36 | pickcoder | if it still fails with the no optimization off then you should report it |
| 19:23.48 | pickcoder | er.. size opt off |
| 19:24.07 | martin3z | ok |
| 19:24.23 | pickcoder | well.. honestly you should report it anyway.. this just gives them more compile scenarios |
| 19:24.34 | pickcoder | my brain is on auto-pilot today I think |
| 19:25.16 | pickcoder | wonders how long the etch->lenny distr-uprgade download would take |
| 19:25.53 | n3kl | is there a recursive md5 hash generating program? |
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| 19:27.07 | Pio | find . -exec md5sum {} \; |
| 19:27.17 | Pio | throw a -type f in there too |
| 19:28.15 | bolt | on a single core system, a load of 1.0 means all the running processes use exactly the amount of cpu time available, right? does this number equal 4.0 on a quadcore, or is it scaled down to still be 1.0 (.25 for each cpu?). looking at it in top |
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| 19:29.29 | bolt | i now have 1.2 load on this thing, and it runs great, so i guess that's just about 1/4 of what it can do, then |
| 19:29.31 | bolt | just making sure |
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| 19:30.11 | bolt | nobody here today? :) |
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| 19:30.36 | kunwon1 | bolt, the subject is explained in great detail on a number of different websites, google it |
| 19:32.51 | stew | bolt: a load of 1.0 doesn't necessarily mean all running processes use exactly the amount of cpu time available, since processes in the D state contribute to load |
| 19:33.07 | asg | bolt: 1.0 means at least one process is running and the run queue isn't stacked. 2.0 would mean one running and one runnable. etc. |
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| 19:33.27 | bob0 | is there a way to disable gdm on startup? i'm trying to get a window manager set up |
| 19:33.33 | asg | bolt: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | !tell bob0 about nodm |
| 19:33.37 | stew | bolt: but the 4.0 on a 4 core box is an equivalant load to 1.0 on a 1 core box |
| 19:34.10 | asg | bolt: note also that, at least on Linux kernels, that number can be misleading if you are bottlednecked on I/O |
| 19:34.26 | bolt | asg: that i've encountered before :) |
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| 19:34.36 | bolt | stew: that's the answer i was looking for. thanks :) |
| 19:35.02 | bolt | figures out what to use his other 3 cores for |
| 19:35.13 | bolt | is seti@home still running? |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | i believe there's even a 'debian' team |
| 19:35.56 | bolt | see you there ;) |
| 19:36.22 | asg | abrotman: we should create team abrotman to help figure out how to get you a job that doesn't suck |
| 19:36.36 | Ragamufin | hi all, I have been having kernel issues, is there a file on the computer that might shed light on what the issue is? |
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| 19:36.50 | bob0 | how would I set up a window manager without gdm? |
| 19:36.51 | asg | Ragamufin: /var/log/kern.log |
| 19:37.00 | bolt | abrotman: what's your job? |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | asg: let's try for the boss first:) |
| 19:37.08 | asg | abrotman: hah, yeah |
| 19:37.13 | abrotman | bolt: I'm employed by asg! |
| 19:37.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:37.35 | asg | abrotman: you can still come down if you want. |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | wants BBQ! |
| 19:38.06 | Gentoon | i just farted |
| 19:38.12 | Ragamufin | thanks asg |
| 19:38.42 | bolt | !lart Gentoon |
| 19:38.43 | dpkg | frags Gentoon with his BFG9000 |
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| 19:39.15 | kloppe | Gentoon uses Ubuntu anyways! |
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| 19:39.28 | Gentoon | i do? |
| 19:39.31 | amphi | burn the witch! |
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| 19:39.34 | kloppe | :D |
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| 19:39.48 | Gentoon | i use gentoo lol |
| 19:39.51 | bolt | an ubuntu user with "gentoo" in his name hanging out in #debian? |
| 19:40.06 | asg | bolt: we've had more surprising visitors |
| 19:40.09 | bolt | staples a post-it with "MPD" on Gentoon |
| 19:40.14 | Gentoon | im not an ubuntu user? |
| 19:40.27 | kloppe | Gentoon: but you behave like one |
| 19:40.31 | Gentoon | mmk |
| 19:40.34 | Ragamufin | Jack_Sparrow, hiya |
| 19:40.36 | Gentoon | your a troll |
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| 19:41.04 | kloppe | Gentoon: careful. i dont take such buzzwords litely |
| 19:41.06 | stew | kloppe: Gentoon: please take this elsewhere |
| 19:41.12 | Bladerunner05 | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check wich package it need ? |
| 19:41.19 | stew | Bladerunner05: build-essential |
| 19:41.19 | kloppe | stew: then get the wanker out of here if he thinks farting is funny |
| 19:41.25 | stew | kloppe: drop it |
| 19:41.27 | Bladerunner05 | ok stew |
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| 19:41.41 | Gentoon | take hat whre, stew is the troll, i didnt do anything |
| 19:41.49 | kloppe | stew: i still dont get it how you passed the NM process |
| 19:41.51 | Gentoon | what where |
| 19:42.02 | bolt | stop it already |
| 19:42.16 | stew | Gentoon: please keep it on-topic, if you have off-topic chatter, take it to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 19:42.31 | Gentoon | stfu your the one starting stuff |
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| 19:42.59 | kloppe | "i just farted" - "i use gentoo lol" - "your a troll" |
| 19:43.07 | kloppe | and this stew muppet has nothing better to do than lecturing me |
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| 19:43.28 | stew | kloppe: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep the discussion on-topic in the future |
| 19:43.38 | Gentoon | me aying i use gentoo is troling? |
| 19:43.47 | Gentoon | saying |
| 19:43.50 | stew | Gentoon: please just move on |
| 19:43.54 | Gentoon | omg your an op? |
| 19:44.00 | abrotman | stew: do you know the times(UTC) that dak runs ? |
| 19:44.10 | abrotman | i know one is around 20xx or so |
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| 19:44.14 | Gentoon | hah and i waoing to switch to debian, that is funy |
| 19:44.24 | Gentoon | was going |
| 19:44.54 | Ragamufin | has there been any information about the 2.6.26.1 kernel having issues? |
| 19:44.55 | stew | abrotman: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html |
| 19:45.11 | abrotman | stew: ah thanks |
| 19:46.10 | Winnipeger | Heya... so, my video performance is absolutely terrible. Just using metacity, it is behaving very slowly. Minimizing windows will pause for a sec, maximizing windows will draw the outline, then a few seconds later the rest of the window. Anyone know of a good general troubleshooting guide... |
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| 19:49.43 | Gentoon | wow |
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| 19:50.05 | endra | anyone here familiar with exim4 config syntax and can give me a hand? |
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| 19:50.21 | asg | endra: you may want to try #exim unless this is debian specific |
| 19:51.06 | endra | I have tried #exim, pretty dead in there |
| 19:51.16 | asg | then go ahead and ask |
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| 19:51.47 | endra | Well, it has to do with the config syntax.. not just a general configuration |
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| 19:52.24 | infinity1 | whats the difference between a debian install and jeos ? |
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| 19:52.59 | norc | Hello. Is there any sane way to downgrade from lenny to etch? |
| 19:53.15 | stew | norc: not really, you can look at /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 19:53.24 | norc | stew: thats all I need, thanks |
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| 19:53.46 | norc | I have reason to believe that certain new packages are in conflict with third party applications in some way |
| 19:54.04 | StucKman | hi all. I have a strange situation. I have a user which is in the /etc/sudoers file; running sudo -l gives me: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/4508. thing is, sudo does not ask him for a password when running anything besides halt, and does not create a timestamp file for him. I'm really lost. any hints? |
| 19:54.09 | jeward | I have a 4T array on a lenny system, but I can't seem to make a partition that contains all of it? |
| 19:54.16 | stew | norc: if you show us what you are talking about, perhaps we could help |
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| 19:55.04 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.04 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.04 | StucKman | jeward: is it a prtition os formatting it with some filesystem? |
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| 19:55.27 | jeward | StucKman: Sorry? |
| 19:55.36 | norc | stew: Ok, its primarily about a game, which stops recognizing the sound driver. |
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| 19:55.45 | norc | stew: Might be a bug in there as well |
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| 19:56.00 | norc | I dont know, but it started happening after I installed a fresh lenny on a new harddrive |
| 19:56.08 | stew | norc: other sound programs work? |
| 19:56.11 | norc | stew: yes |
| 19:56.17 | stew | norc: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 19:56.24 | norc | It does not. |
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| 19:56.41 | jeward | Is there a partition size limit in lenny? |
| 19:56.59 | stew | norc: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss". if that works, you might add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 19:57.00 | Aggro_ | Can someone do me a favor and tell do they get error when executing this: svn co https://cppcheck.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cppcheck cppcheck |
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| 19:57.09 | StucKman | jeward: the problem is when creating the parittion on when trying to format it? |
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| 19:57.39 | norc | stew: Wow, you are a genius. Heh. Thanks a lot. :) |
| 19:57.55 | moshii | What does one need to do to allow virtualbox to add usb devices to guests? |
| 19:58.02 | jeward | StucKman: I create the partition and it looks fine. I write the partition table and exit the partitionaer, but when I go back in, the partition size has been reduced. |
| 19:58.25 | mandric | hello, i'd like to upgrade to numpy 1.1.1 but the current python-numpy package is 1.0.1. How could i get around this? |
| 19:58.25 | Aggro_ | Nevermind, it started working again |
| 19:58.27 | stew | norc: you're welcome :) |
| 19:58.39 | jeward | StucKman: I found this out after having formatted the partition only to find it the wrong size. |
| 19:58.43 | bob0 | when a channel gets deleted from being empty, what gets deleted? |
| 19:58.45 | enouf | jeward: proprietary external container? |
| 19:59.03 | bob0 | I mean are the modes remembered and flags and etc? |
| 19:59.08 | StucKman | jeward: using fdisk? did you try cfdisk or any other partitioner? |
| 19:59.09 | stew | bob0: ask in #freenode |
| 19:59.12 | moshii | bob0: questionfor an ircop? |
| 19:59.14 | n3kl | jeward: how are you partioning it? |
| 19:59.16 | jeward | enouf: I don't think so. I have 4T arrays on etch on the same hardware. |
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| 19:59.28 | stew | mandric: you can try to backport it: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:59.29 | jeward | tried both cfdisk and fdisk. |
| 19:59.34 | n3kl | jeward: just curious, hardware or software raid? |
| 19:59.34 | bob0 | stew: oh whoops, thought I was asking in freenode |
| 19:59.46 | jeward | Hardware RAID. |
| 19:59.54 | n3kl | jeward: what model card? |
| 19:59.59 | mandric | stew: ok |
| 20:00.15 | jeward | n3kl: Can I find out from the OS? |
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| 20:00.25 | n3kl | jeward: lspci maybe |
| 20:00.35 | n3kl | jeward: I am looking at getting a hardware raid, thats why I ask |
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| 20:00.50 | jeward | 03:03.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9xxx-series SATA-RAID |
| 20:00.57 | n3kl | kewl, thansk |
| 20:00.59 | jeward | Works fine under etch. |
| 20:01.40 | jeward | Anybody have any ideas what I might be doing wrong? Or is this a lenny bug? |
| 20:01.42 | n3kl | jeward: might try parted, just a thought |
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| 20:01.59 | jeward | n3kl Is that GUI only? |
| 20:01.59 | n3kl | jeward: it would be a strange lenny bug to be honest. |
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| 20:02.10 | n3kl | gparted is gui, parted I *think* is cli |
| 20:02.14 | n3kl | could be wrong there though |
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| 20:02.46 | jeward | Oh, lost track of the time, I'll try parted and get back to you after lunch. |
| 20:02.50 | mandric | stew, is there anyway to see if numpy 1.1.x or 1.2.x is part of a different branch? |
| 20:02.53 | rixth | Hi. How can I get a list of all 'unstable' packages on my system? |
| 20:03.24 | stew | mandric: if i'm understanding your question correctly: http://packages.debian.org/python-numpy |
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| 20:03.36 | stew | rixth: try apt-show-versions |
| 20:03.46 | Winnipeger | Ok, I put mesa-utils on my system and ran glxinfo and discovered that direct rendering is working |
| 20:04.11 | rixth | stew, I don't have that command |
| 20:04.20 | mandric | stew: yep ok it's in lenny/testing. |
| 20:04.20 | Winnipeger | I also reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel and metacity... to no effect. |
| 20:04.35 | stew | rixth: install the apt-show-versions package |
| 20:04.36 | rebel_kid | how can i make a file in svn? |
| 20:04.51 | Aggro_ | rebel_kid: svn add filename.txt |
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| 20:05.04 | rebel_kid | aggro_ it had to be that simple |
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| 20:06.07 | rixth | Thanks stew! |
| 20:06.34 | Aggro_ | rebel_kid: You need to commit it also after that |
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| 20:06.58 | rebel_kid | aggro_ thanks |
| 20:07.15 | rixth | How can I set the time from the command line? |
| 20:07.16 | Gentoon | is there debian forsparc? |
| 20:07.25 | Gentoon | for sparc |
| 20:07.28 | n3kl | rixth: man date |
| 20:07.46 | rixth | n3kl: date doesn't work |
| 20:07.53 | stew | Gentoon: yes |
| 20:08.05 | Gentoon | hows about ppc? |
| 20:08.12 | mandric | when I installed nginx the post-installation script never ran succuessfully and now everytime i use apt-get it gives me errors about that. is there a way to fix that? |
| 20:08.22 | stew | Gentoon: yes, http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 20:08.39 | mandric | the post-installation script seems to be trying to start the server but probably fails because i'm already running a web server. |
| 20:08.49 | rixth | n3kl: check this out: http://pastebin.ca/1247221 |
| 20:09.06 | Gentoon | nice so i can run debian on all 4 of my systems including my 2 pizza boxes |
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| 20:10.32 | StucKman | mandric: /etc/init.d/ngnix stop; bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/ngnix.postinst and see why it fails |
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| 20:12.05 | mandric | StucKman: hrm. postinst called with unknown argument |
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| 20:12.24 | Gentoon | stew what are the specs for your box? |
| 20:12.28 | StucKman | mandric: hmm,m add 'config' as parameter |
| 20:13.00 | stew | Gentoon: i have lots of boxes |
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| 20:13.54 | Gentoon | what is your pride and joy? |
| 20:13.57 | mandric | StucKman: it looks like it's failing when it tries to start. i really wish a postinst script didn't try to start servers. |
| 20:14.09 | Gentoon | surely you have a primary |
| 20:14.18 | StucKman | anyone ahs any ideas on how to debug sudo? I can't run it under strace or gdb because it's setuid... |
| 20:14.25 | mandric | err maybe it has too but i'm running apache so it's not gonna start ... |
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| 20:15.03 | StucKman | mandric: stop apache, run dpkg --configre -a, stop ngnix, start apache |
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| 20:16.27 | stew | Gentoon: the smallest is a 133 mhz pentium, i work on P3s, several multiple processor P4s, thunderbirds, opterons... lots of modules of thinkpads... |
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| 20:17.50 | pepve | with the lenny beta2 installer, it seems impossible to change the size of the logical volumes, after choosing 'guided partitioning with lvm using whole disk', is that an error? is it intended? how should i work around it? |
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| 20:18.28 | zinx | pepve: try deleting the partition and adding it back? |
| 20:19.05 | n3kl | I have / encrypted using luks. Are there some directories that I could place in the clear that do not contain any personal data and could make the system run faster, like /usr/{share,doc} etc? |
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| 20:19.26 | enouf | pepve: try expert mode, i don't know offhand if the behaviour you witness is intentional or not using guided |
| 20:19.52 | pepve | zinx, i can't, when i highlight it and press enter, it just flashes and returns to the same screen |
| 20:19.58 | StucKman | n3kl: I would put / on plain, /etc, /var and /home encrypted |
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| 20:20.09 | pepve | enouf, i'm in epxert mode |
| 20:20.21 | enouf | n3kl: i moved /share over to another HDD |
| 20:20.29 | StucKman | n3kl: even, just some parts of /var on it |
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| 20:20.53 | enouf | pepve: why would you need guided? |
| 20:21.15 | n3kl | thats not bad, needs some tweaks for things like /root and such, but thats a different approach |
| 20:21.20 | n3kl | enouf: you mean /usr/share? |
| 20:21.21 | enouf | see the installation guide for lenny |
| 20:21.25 | enouf | n3kl: yep |
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| 20:21.47 | enouf | n3kl: i originally did it, to cp off, cp back, but then i left it :-) |
| 20:21.51 | enouf | symlink it |
| 20:21.57 | pepve | enouf, so i don't have to enter all those sensible defaults... i just want one size to change from it |
| 20:22.16 | n3kl | enouf: just use fstab to mount over it, forget the symlinks |
| 20:22.16 | enouf | n3kl: everytime i entered /usr/share/doc .. forget it .. the disk used to thrash |
| 20:22.26 | n3kl | damn |
| 20:22.27 | enouf | n3kl: what? |
| 20:22.55 | n3kl | enouf: just saying, you could, instead of symlinking, just mount /dev/sdb1 er whereever you share is to /usr/share |
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| 20:23.10 | enouf | n3kl: it's not on it's own partition |
| 20:23.19 | enouf | and besides, i never reboot :-P |
| 20:23.25 | n3kl | enouf: mount -o bind could do it |
| 20:23.31 | enouf | but why? |
| 20:23.35 | n3kl | *never*. Good attitude |
| 20:23.37 | enouf | symlinking works fine |
| 20:23.47 | n3kl | cool |
| 20:24.09 | enouf | i told you - i didn't cp /usr/share onto it's own partition |
| 20:24.13 | n3kl | enouf: is this on a desktop system? |
| 20:24.19 | enouf | yeah |
| 20:24.25 | n3kl | I like that |
| 20:24.31 | n3kl | I might do something similar |
| 20:25.00 | enouf | i actually moved it into another debian install's /home/ dir .. that's where the room was :-p |
| 20:25.18 | Winnipeger | The performance seems to be related to this discussion https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/152206 I'm not sure how to patch anything though, nor would I patch a debian driver with an ubuntu patch. I guess I should forgo the auto config of xorg and write my own xorg.conf? |
| 20:25.32 | enouf | since then though, i've made more room .. but already got that carved out for a purpose |
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| 20:26.14 | n3kl | mwahaha |
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| 20:27.09 | segosa | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/pidgin -- is there a way to install that with apt-get without modifying sources.list? I thought apt-get install pidgin/experimental would work, but it didn't |
| 20:27.36 | segosa | "E: Release 'experimental' for 'pidgin' was not found" |
| 20:27.36 | enouf | n3kl: oh, fwiw, pretty sure i used rsync, not cp |
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| 20:28.16 | StucKman | segosa: download the deb and dpkg -i |
| 20:28.32 | segosa | oh ok |
| 20:28.36 | segosa | that's the only way then is it |
| 20:29.02 | StucKman | segosa: or you could learn about package pinning, something I never got to |
| 20:29.32 | SeveredCross | Hey #debian, are there good guides for installing Debian without a CD? |
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| 20:29.52 | nxmehta | i want to edit my grub/menu.lst, but there are all sorts of entries that are already listed but look commented out. the file says not to remove the comments... what is going on here? are they read by grub in some other way? |
| 20:30.00 | SeveredCross | I have a LiveUSB of Fedora, and I can make a LiveCD of Ubuntu to work off of, but I'd rather not. |
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| 20:30.41 | segosa | StucKman: I'll look into it |
| 20:30.47 | StucKman | SeveredCross: look into the debian wiki. wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:32.25 | SeveredCross | Another question--my /home partition for my current install of OpenSuSE is encrypted. If I install Debian, can I just use the same /etc/crypttab layout and it'll work automagically, or is there more I need to do? |
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| 20:33.39 | jpinx | I've installed a base system and aptitude install xorg and xfce4 - what else do I need to do to make it work in X ? |
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| 20:33.56 | enouf | pepve: so change them later - or use manual partitioning - the ig details all of that |
| 20:34.39 | StucKman | SeveredCross: I'm not sure, but I heard of two cases where the whole /home was los due to a wrong handling of that. I'm not sure there's a proper handling. |
| 20:34.47 | SeveredCross | Okay. |
| 20:34.48 | enouf | SeveredCross: you might need cyptsetup and cryptmount pkgs, not sure |
| 20:34.49 | StucKman | SeveredCross: just be really careful |
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| 20:34.58 | SeveredCross | In that case, I'll back it up, and just re-create the crypto on the Debian side. |
| 20:35.00 | SeveredCross | Safer that way. |
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| 20:38.58 | pepve | enouf, went with manual partitioning, thanks |
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| 20:40.00 | enouf | cool |
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| 20:40.33 | enouf | nxmehta: yes |
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| 20:41.39 | enouf | nxmehta: the automagic field (start to end) processes all lines with only one # |
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| 20:43.16 | rafiki | sudo apt-get install 915resololution |
| 20:43.21 | rafiki | sorry |
| 20:43.24 | enouf | nxmehta: iow, for ex; the "# groot= ..." line is not commented out |
| 20:43.52 | enouf | rafiki: hope you're on etch |
| 20:44.00 | rafiki | :) |
| 20:44.20 | enouf | and you misspelled it :-p |
| 20:44.40 | rafiki | right |
| 20:44.55 | rafiki | let me try in another screen ;) |
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| 20:45.35 | stoned | rafiki |
| 20:46.02 | stoned | thats a cool name |
| 20:46.02 | stoned | nxmehta, hi |
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| 20:47.53 | rafiki | stoned, I have been given that name by kids. It is a monkey in Lion King. Have a nice day |
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| 20:49.24 | magyar_ | hi, looking for an app that would allow me to edit a ps or pdf file |
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| 20:49.38 | SimonAdameit | Hi |
| 20:49.39 | enouf | pdftk perhaps |
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| 20:50.11 | stoned | rafiki, I know... |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | magyar_: edit in what way? |
| 20:50.48 | SimonAdameit | Ich habe ein Problem mit dem Boot Vorgang, ich habe eine sata Festplatte, /dev/sda1 auf der auch das System und eigentlich alles ist, und ich habe eine ide Festplatte, die ich gar nicht benutze gerade, aber mein Bootloader (grub) ist darauf installiert |
| 20:50.51 | abrotman | !de |
| 20:50.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 20:50.59 | SimonAdameit | Nun möchte ich gerne von sda1 booten |
| 20:51.00 | magyar_ | abrotman, remove lines etc |
| 20:51.04 | themill | magyar_: pdfedit or pdftk |
| 20:51.10 | SimonAdameit | dpkg: ok |
| 20:51.10 | dpkg | SimonAdameit: i haven't a clue |
| 20:51.12 | magyar_ | thank you |
| 20:51.43 | themill | magyar_: newest version of openoffice too, apparently. (in experimental, if you're feeling brave) |
| 20:52.23 | magyar_ | yeah I've heard that, with the latest vulnerabilities in pdf |
| 20:52.43 | magyar_ | OO will support pdf editing |
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| 20:57.52 | zokier | http://rafb.net/p/G7q7di41.html i get this in fresh lenny install, and that nic doesn't work |
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| 20:58.09 | jeward | Okay, I'm back with the 4T/lenny problem. |
| 20:58.23 | jeward | parted does the same thing as fdisk and cfdisk. |
| 20:58.39 | jeward | I tell it to make a 4T partition and it makes a 1801G partition. |
| 20:59.14 | scgtrp | where does php mail() go to on a debian webserver? it certainly isn't getting to the intended recipients, i've been finding it in /var/mail |
| 20:59.16 | Gentoon | a 4tb partition? |
| 20:59.43 | jeward | Yes, maybe this is a clue? |
| 20:59.47 | jeward | (parted) resize 1 0 3999G |
| 20:59.47 | jeward | Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. Compatible features are |
| 20:59.47 | jeward | has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super and large_file. Use tune2fs or |
| 20:59.47 | jeward | debugfs to remove features. |
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| 21:00.02 | jeward | Ooops. |
| 21:00.03 | paxcoder | what's a paster bot? |
| 21:00.22 | jeward | Did that come through? |
| 21:00.36 | enouf | i'd suspect the last two |
| 21:01.06 | jeward | enouf: sparse_super and large_file? |
| 21:01.10 | enouf | ext4 is shaping up pretty nicely eh? |
| 21:01.26 | enouf | yeah - but i'm guessing ... |
| 21:02.05 | themill | scgtrp: mail() sends using sendmail -- you need to have a correctly configured MTA on the box. |
| 21:02.32 | scgtrp | themill, i just (tried to) configure exim4, is that a mta? |
| 21:02.37 | scgtrp | (apologies for stupid questions) |
| 21:02.54 | themill | scgtrp: yes. |
| 21:03.05 | streuner | !MTA |
| 21:03.06 | dpkg | methinks mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 21:03.34 | scgtrp | dpkg, tell me about which mta |
| 21:03.46 | klmann | did they remove the kernel-source-2.6.22 package from the lenny/etch sources? |
| 21:03.54 | scgtrp | ... too many choices. what's the simplest one? |
| 21:04.13 | streuner | postifx |
| 21:04.15 | themill | klmann: yes, many months ago. Probably over a year ago, in fact. |
| 21:04.31 | streuner | easy to configure as smarthost (/msg dpkg smarthost) |
| 21:04.31 | enouf | scgtrp: how did you try to configure exim4? |
| 21:04.34 | klmann | themill: ok thanks |
| 21:04.53 | scgtrp | enouf, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, but i had to guess at some of the questions |
| 21:05.00 | themill | klmann: also, it's linux-source-$(version) now too. 2.6.26 is in testing. 2.6.18 or 2.6.24 are in etch |
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| 21:05.21 | enouf | klmann: might find it in s.d.n or a.d.o. |
| 21:05.23 | ptx0 | is there a MIPS room |
| 21:05.48 | enouf | scgtrp: sure, ok - me too |
| 21:06.13 | klmann | enouf: i have downloaded the vanilla sources, i need them for compiling the nvidia driver |
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| 21:06.41 | enouf | ok |
| 21:06.53 | scgtrp | do i want a relay host? (this is a standalone server, and i only care about outgoing mail, not incoming) |
| 21:07.04 | klmann | unfortunately, i cannot update my kernel because of some weird p-ata problems that cause my system to hang completely |
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| 21:07.27 | stew | scgtrp: should your server send outgoing mail to its destination itself, or should it relay it to some other server? |
| 21:07.36 | lbt | having problems getting ssh -X working .... I have X11Forwarding yes in my sshd_config... |
| 21:07.45 | lbt | it works on one server, not on another |
| 21:07.52 | stew | scgtrp: you'd generally use a relay host if your server is behind some firewall that would prohibit it from sending the mail directly |
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| 21:07.58 | lbt | I copied the sshd_config entirely and it didn't help |
| 21:08.07 | stew | lbt: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 21:08.07 | scgtrp | stew, it's on a router, all outgoing connections are allowed |
| 21:08.19 | stew | scgtrp: then you shouldn't require a relay host |
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| 21:09.39 | scgtrp | stew, enouf: thanks for your help, got it working with postfix (well, gmail marked my test email as spam, but other than that it's working) |
| 21:09.43 | lbt | stew: thanks - the server was minimal and had no xauth :) |
| 21:09.52 | lbt | sshd -dd didn't help though |
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| 21:11.26 | lbt | it seems like a random bit of arcane knowledge - shouldn't something give me at least a hint? |
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| 21:11.42 | WormDrink | hi |
| 21:12.09 | WormDrink | is there some way to set up a selective apt-mirror ? |
| 21:12.29 | stew | lbt: yeah i'd expect sshd to give you a hint. maybe the hint was just too well veiled? |
| 21:12.29 | WormDrink | which only mirrors certain packages ? |
| 21:12.47 | a_l_e | i have a "strange" question: when i'm in a network which is built around a netopia router (the one sold by swisscom in ch) i have a big latency when go out in the internet... but only when i use the dns servers as given through dhcp |
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| 21:12.56 | themill | WormDrink: take a look at debmirror |
| 21:13.14 | WormDrink | ok |
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| 21:15.18 | lbt | stew: I'd call this well vieled.... http://pastebin.com/d7d47c683 |
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| 21:15.25 | a_l_e | setting the same dns servers as given in the webinterface of the router somehow fixes the problem... and this happens with most linuxes and os x!... |
| 21:15.42 | jeward | First cylinder (1-486291, default 1): |
| 21:15.42 | jeward | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-267349, default 267349): 486291 |
| 21:15.43 | a_l_e | ... not with the current firefox on ubuntu but with the current one on debian! |
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| 21:15.51 | jeward | Value out of range. |
| 21:15.58 | jeward | I don't get it. |
| 21:16.01 | lbt | bug worthy? |
| 21:17.05 | SeveredCross | Hmm. I wonder if the Debian wiki has a guide on setting up a nice resolution on virtual terminals. |
| 21:17.22 | stew | lbt: sure |
| 21:17.33 | stew | SeveredCross: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 21:17.41 | SeveredCross | stew: Thanks! |
| 21:18.22 | SeveredCross | Hmm. |
| 21:18.28 | SeveredCross | I should just copy the vga setting that SuSe uses. |
| 21:18.31 | AkwardAtoms | Don't bring my children into this! |
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| 21:19.28 | stew | SeveredCross: yeah, if you know a mode that works for you, just edit the # kopt= line and run update-grub |
| 21:19.39 | SeveredCross | stew: Yep, that'll work. I just totally blanked. |
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| 21:19.52 | jeward | I guess I'll boot the system from Ubuntu or etch and see if I can make a 4T filesystem? |
| 21:20.00 | jeward | I'm out of ideas on the lenny install. |
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| 21:20.56 | jelly-home | jeward: what partition table layout are you trying to use? |
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| 21:23.48 | jelly-home | jeward: you can use parted to create a GPT layout if it's available in the installer |
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| 21:24.12 | ejackman | I am thinking about moving from ubuntu to debian can I change my apt sources and have the apt system sort it out or will I run into major problems and just be better off installing debian fresh? |
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| 21:24.27 | jspiro | ejackman: you need !ubuntu2debian |
| 21:24.43 | jspiro | !uncurse |
| 21:24.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse | You will probably *not* end up with an actual Debian install, therefore it is not supported by #debian. You can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script, or /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:25.09 | stew | ejackman: we'd recommend a fresh install |
| 21:25.20 | ejackman | ok |
| 21:25.23 | jspiro | ejackman: why are you thinking of moving to debian? (I prefer debian because it has "testing".) |
| 21:25.55 | teratoma | http://debian.change.gov |
| 21:26.37 | ejackman | since ubuntu feisty fawn each version seems to go slower and slower I hear the new version of Debian had some performance gains and I want to try it |
| 21:26.50 | jspiro | ejackman: ubuntu is faster than debian because of readahead. |
| 21:27.04 | jspiro | hi all. I am using a 7-year-old PC with lenny, an NVidia Riva TNT2 card, and nv. I have a newer laptop but it'd be a hassle for me to move my OS onto it. I'm writing a 2D Pong game with OpenGL. Is there any practical way for me to enable direct rendering on this PC? |
| 21:27.18 | jspiro | nouveau maybe? |
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| 21:27.39 | jelly-home | http://teratoma-found-a-wildcard-dns-entry.change.gov ? |
| 21:27.50 | themill | heh |
| 21:27.55 | jspiro | ejackman: what operations do you find are slow in ubuntu? |
| 21:27.59 | Winnipeger | I'm trying to get this pogo.com working for my mother now, but I'm getting bombarded with requests to allow or deny javascripts. Here is the "warning" I'm getting. http://pastebin.com/d1877614c I've whitelisted about 100 of these messages and they just keep coming. I've also clicked cancel, but I can still proceed to play the java games. ow do I make these annoying warnings go away? |
| 21:28.21 | jspiro | Winnipeger: what is your web browser? |
| 21:28.36 | Winnipeger | iceweasel |
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| 21:29.19 | Winnipeger | I've even gone into my browser options and told it to allow everything under the advanced javascript options. |
| 21:29.33 | themill | Winnipeger: this message was from java, not javascript |
| 21:29.44 | jspiro | Winnipeger: hmm, the message ("website wants to load an applet. GNU Classpath's security implementation is not complete. HOSTILE APPLETS WILL STEAL AND/OR DESTROY YOUR DATA! Ignore?") seems to be from GNU Classpath. |
| 21:29.49 | jspiro | Winnipeger: did you try googling for more info? |
| 21:30.04 | Winnipeger | Yes... they recommended switching to another java engine |
| 21:30.10 | WormDrink | apt-proxy seems to be better option for what i want |
| 21:30.41 | jspiro | !icetea |
| 21:30.50 | jspiro | !icedtea |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 21:30.58 | jspiro | all : is icedtea in apt? |
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| 21:31.21 | stew | jspiro: yes in testing/unstable, not in stable |
| 21:32.07 | jspiro | is it in backports? |
| 21:32.59 | ejackman | desktop initialization mostly it's just small things that seem to take longer then they used to. Maybe I need to just backup my home folder and reinstall intrepid fresh and just reinstall the packages I need |
| 21:33.07 | Winnipeger | I don't understand. Are you suggested I install another java? |
| 21:33.19 | jspiro | Winnipeger: unsure yet. Which Debian are you on? |
| 21:33.36 | Winnipeger | Lenny |
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| 21:33.45 | jspiro | all : do you suggest icedtea for Winnipeger? |
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| 21:34.25 | themill | Winnipeger: i386 or amd64? |
| 21:34.41 | jspiro | ejackman: so login is slow? do you use shutdown, or do you use suspend / hibernate? are you on a desktop or a laptop? did you try gdm-setup's auto-login feature? |
| 21:34.46 | Winnipeger | i386 |
| 21:35.11 | jspiro | dpkg: no, icedtea is a version of Sun Java JRE modified to be all-Free. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org/. It's in Lenny and Sid but not Etch. |
| 21:35.12 | dpkg | okay, jspiro |
| 21:35.17 | themill | Winnipeger: "aptitude install sun-java6-plugin" would be my suggestion. |
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| 21:35.39 | themill | Winnipeger: If you really want free, then try out icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 21:36.06 | ejackman | I shutdown mostly and I am running on a laptop I didn't try gdm-setup's auto-login feature |
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| 21:36.32 | themill | dpkg: icedtea is also For a java plugin that uses icedtea, install the icedtea-gcjwebplugin package. |
| 21:36.32 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 21:36.40 | DJ_CraigW | hi there |
| 21:36.42 | jspiro | ejackman: you should not shut down more than once a month. It is a waste of battery life compared to suspend or hibernate. |
| 21:36.52 | jspiro | Startup disk access uses tons of battery. |
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| 21:37.13 | DJ_CraigW | I have a SH installer that a friend made for me, but there's a problem with it which i cant understand, could someone take a look for me please, i can pastebin the file..... |
| 21:37.44 | jspiro | ejackman: you should fix suspend / hibernate. If it doesn't work on ubuntu, find a distro on which it works, and use that. Make sure to also upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10 if you haven't yet. |
| 21:37.54 | jspiro | ejackman: consider sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop |
| 21:38.32 | jspiro | wonders what dj_craigw is really trying to do, and also what he is trying to install |
| 21:38.38 | jspiro | and why |
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| 21:38.52 | Winnipeger | ok... I will look into these things and get back to you |
| 21:38.54 | Winnipeger | thanks |
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| 21:39.09 | jspiro | ejackman: also ask the ubuntu folk, or google, to see other ways to speed up your ubuntu. |
| 21:39.40 | jspiro | ejackman: you shouldn't switch distros just for speed reasons. |
| 21:39.45 | jspiro | debian is no faster. |
| 21:40.03 | jspiro | ejackman: and IMO it's much less user friendly. |
| 21:40.10 | ejackman | I have suspend hibernate working and I am running 8.10 it was after I upgraded to 8.10 that it started to feel show |
| 21:40.27 | jspiro | ejackman: so usage is slow? or bootup? |
| 21:40.29 | DJ_CraigW | jspiro, PlexusIRCD |
| 21:40.51 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: why are you using PlexusIRCD? there are lots of ircds in the Debian apt repositories. |
| 21:41.08 | jspiro | :) |
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| 21:41.17 | The_Banana_Guy | NEW GOOGLE =D http://mygoogle.site.vu/ |
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| 21:42.00 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: also, why run your own IRC server? Freenode and EFnet are good enough for me. I can create as many channels as I want. |
| 21:42.05 | jspiro | :) |
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| 21:42.15 | DJ_CraigW | jspiro personal things |
| 21:42.24 | jspiro | if you tell us, we can suggest answers. |
| 21:42.39 | jspiro | I think it's usually a waste of time to run an ircd. |
| 21:42.43 | jspiro | And electricity. |
| 21:42.43 | DJ_CraigW | I just need to install the ircd, thats all |
| 21:43.03 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: ok. good luck. please pastebin your script, then ask someone else other than me for help. :) |
| 21:43.24 | DJ_CraigW | If you must know, it's for testing purposes and group conferences |
| 21:43.35 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: in a business? |
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| 21:43.55 | DJ_CraigW | Here's the script: http://pastebin.com/mfdeb7e0 |
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| 21:44.49 | jspiro | repeat: I am using a 7-year-old PC with lenny, an NVidia Riva TNT2 card, and the "nv" Xorg driver. I have a newer laptop but it'd be a hassle for me to move my OS onto it. I'm writing a 2D Pong game with OpenGL. Is there any practical way for me to enable direct rendering on this PC? Nouveau maybe? I will also crosspost this to oftc #debian-x now. |
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| 21:46.14 | jelly-home | jspiro: that card is rather old |
| 21:46.32 | jspiro | jelly-home: with DRI, I suspect it's good enough for 2D |
| 21:46.32 | jspiro | :) |
| 21:46.59 | jelly-home | jspiro: or just switch to SDL? |
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| 21:47.11 | jspiro | jelly-home: my prof requires we use OpenGL. |
| 21:47.29 | jspiro | I could ask my friend for a new old card. Good idea? |
| 21:47.50 | ejackman | I'm familier with unfriendly distros I used to use gentoo I just decided to move to ubuntu to get away from the emerge system. |
| 21:47.50 | ejackman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.57 | jelly-home | jspiro: a radeon 9200 would work with free drivers |
| 21:48.16 | helo | anyone know how i can burn to a windows-shared cd burner? |
| 21:48.33 | jspiro | helo: how do you burn to a windows-shared cd burner from inside Windows even? |
| 21:48.35 | trifler | helo: Come again? |
| 21:48.37 | jspiro | jelly-home: hmm, I think my brother has one. But I don't want to cannibalize it. |
| 21:49.09 | Trewas | jspiro: why not just install the nvidia's closed source driver? |
| 21:49.11 | trifler | helo: rdesktop? |
| 21:49.49 | jspiro | ejackman: which app is slowest? how much RAM do you have? how new is your laptop? how much swap? how fast an HDD? is video acceleration on? can you rdesktop into a faster desktop PC? |
| 21:50.06 | jspiro | Trewas: it supports a Riva TNT2? /me goes and checks |
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| 21:50.20 | hever | Hi I'm using /dev/random in perl and it blocks if the entropy pool is empty. How should I recharge the entropy pool? Can I show the entopy pool for testing? |
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| 21:50.43 | abrotman | hever: smack the keyboard? ping stuff? computer activity |
| 21:50.50 | Trewas | jspiro: not the newest, you'll have to get some older version... but nvidia's page should offer a driver ever for old cards |
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| 21:51.06 | jspiro | Trewas: will it probably work with lenny's xorg? |
| 21:51.09 | stew | hever: "find /" might increase entropy. do you really need /dev/random? or will /dev/urandom (which doesn't block) work? |
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| 21:51.19 | jspiro | also, would nouveau support my card? |
| 21:52.07 | hever | abrotman: I'm not sure for example if a loop that does nothing or just increases a values recharges it enough. It runs external. |
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| 21:52.26 | jspiro | !riva |
| 21:52.30 | Trewas | jspiro: dunno, but apparently the last nvidia driver for that card was released last summer |
| 21:52.31 | jspiro | !tnt2 |
| 21:52.32 | dpkg | There are some linux drivers for the TNT2 video card at http://www.nvidia.com/Products.nsf/htmlmedia/software_drivers.html or newer drivers in CVS, see http://glx.on.openprojects.net/. XFree86 4.0 drivers at http://www.nvidia.com/Products/OpenDrvDwn.nsf/xfree86_40Download?OpenPage |
| 21:52.47 | hever | stew: I use it for a CRAM-MD5 authenication and I want to sent real random data in first step. |
| 21:52.53 | abrotman | hever: update? find? do stuff that makes the comptuer do stuff .. ping google, so on and so forth |
| 21:53.01 | jspiro | lol! the bot said told me where to get XFree86 4.0 drivers. |
| 21:53.24 | hever | abrotman: and how do I know how much its charged ? |
| 21:53.37 | jspiro | stew: ping a nearby machine forever in a spare xterm. |
| 21:53.38 | trifler | jspiro: According to this list noveu would - NOUVEAU: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA 128ZX, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, Unknown TNT2, Vanta |
| 21:53.39 | jspiro | oops |
| 21:53.44 | jspiro | hever: ping a nearby machine forever in a spare xterm. |
| 21:53.46 | abrotman | hever: it will start working again ? |
| 21:54.19 | jspiro | trifler: cool. Anyone here ever tried nouveau? If so, what did you think of it? |
| 21:54.21 | stew | hever: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 21:54.24 | hatter | if lsusb shows a usb hard disk plugged in, how do i know what dev its been allocated ? |
| 21:54.33 | abrotman | dmesg |
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| 21:54.47 | stew | hever: dmesg or lshal |
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| 21:55.07 | jogla | i just killed debian-sys-maint in mysql, how can i restore it? |
| 21:55.18 | jelly-home | !factinfo tnt2 |
| 21:55.19 | dpkg | tnt2 -- last modified at Wed Apr 26 23:01:09 2000 by phineas!phineas@okc-27-131-166.mmcable.com; it has been requested 7 times, last by jspiro, 2m 47s ago. |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | why do people keep doign that? |
| 21:55.24 | hatter | stew, thx, ah, lshal with grep :) its a biggun |
| 21:55.29 | abrotman | !debian-sys-maint |
| 21:55.29 | dpkg | debian-sys-maint is probably a special user that has access to the local mysql for starting/stopping mysql and other maintenance operations. You should not remove this user. If you somehow erased it, there is a script to fix it bundled with the debian mysql package. |
| 21:55.50 | hever | I use the script to realize a CRAM-MD5 authentication for netcat. So that I can it use easily with php. (I know cryptcat exists but its easier with plain CRAM-MD5. After the authentication a remote script is called and no more data are send) |
| 21:55.59 | jelly-home | dpkg: you _could_ have mentioned the script name... |
| 21:55.59 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:56.07 | stew | hatter: yes, if you want a clicky version there is hal-device-manager |
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| 21:56.25 | stew | dpkg: you do not resemble this remark |
| 21:56.25 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:56.44 | hatter | stew, thx |
| 21:56.53 | zinx | jelly-home: scripts like that are usually in /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/ |
| 21:57.05 | hever | Because its used for this authentication I don't want to stall on the open connection. I need a random hash at connection start. |
| 21:57.36 | jspiro | hatter: or you could label the disk with e2label or dosfslabel then set your computer up so it'll get automounted in /media |
| 21:57.48 | jspiro | I dunno how |
| 21:57.51 | zinx | jelly-home: and when they aren't, hopefully they get some mention in README.Debian.gz :P |
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| 21:58.09 | jelly-home | zinx: thanks, I know my way around dpkg -L! |
| 21:58.17 | abrotman | zinx: i think i looked a few days ago and couldn't find it .. admittedly, it's mysql, and i didn't care that much :) |
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| 21:58.33 | zinx | abrotman: hehe |
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| 21:59.46 | ejackman | 2.33 ghz core 2 duo with 2GB ram 5400rpm sata hd swap looks like 6GB I don't have a faster desktop on my local network. and my slowest program appears to be firefox |
| 22:00.22 | DJ_CraigW | I have a SH installer that a friend made for me, but there's a problem with it which i cant understand, could someone take a look for me please, i can pastebin the file..... |
| 22:00.26 | DJ_CraigW | Here's the script: http://pastebin.com/mfdeb7e0 |
| 22:00.40 | jspiro | ejackman: how many Fx extensions installed? And did you try Fx 3.1 beta? it's quite a bit faster. |
| 22:00.50 | extor | If I move some fresh and new .deb files to my /var/cache/apt/archives directory, is apt-get intelligent enough to realize those .deb packages are local before hitting the ftp repositories? |
| 22:00.54 | stew | DJ_CraigW: you haven't mentioned what the problem is |
| 22:01.07 | DJ_CraigW | i get an error |
| 22:01.10 | hever | stew: thanks |
| 22:01.10 | DJ_CraigW | one sec |
| 22:01.18 | trifler | stew: diden't the 101 lines of code make you just wanna find it. |
| 22:01.45 | stew | ejackman; jspiro: you should move this conversaion to #ubuntu |
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| 22:02.21 | jspiro | stew: would it be acceptable in #debian-offtopic? |
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| 22:02.35 | DJ_CraigW | stew it's an 'else' on line 78 |
| 22:02.38 | stew | jspiro: i don't know |
| 22:02.40 | DJ_CraigW | but afaik it's fine ;s |
| 22:02.41 | jelly-home | jspiro: anything is acceptable there... except debian support |
| 22:02.50 | jspiro | joins #debian-offtopic then :) |
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| 22:03.19 | ejackman | jspiro: not that many extensions 5 at the most no I havn't tried the new beta I'll check it out. and I am going to sit down and purge my system for unneeded services. |
| 22:03.19 | ejackman | stew no problem I found out what I wanted |
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| 22:03.38 | stew | DJ_CraigW: what is the error you are getting? |
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| 22:04.24 | DJ_CraigW | stew, one minute please |
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| 22:05.05 | stew | DJ_CraigW: the places where it says «if [ "'which gmake'" ]» should probably be «if [ "`which gmake`" ]» |
| 22:05.26 | stew | DJ_CraigW: and thus i'd guess that this script is not very well tested |
| 22:05.58 | metamorphus | What's the status of the free flash players? |
| 22:06.08 | DJ_CraigW | stew let me pastebin the error |
| 22:06.21 | DJ_CraigW | http://pastebin.com/m7eccb9cb |
| 22:06.24 | Winnipeger | Hi again... so I purged the three flavours of java I had installed and I'm down to just sun's jre6. Security warnings are thankfully gone, unfortunately, the games at pogo don't work anymore. Although, the test at sun's java website works fine. So my guess is, I've got this working about as good as I'm going to and the problem is pogo. |
| 22:06.28 | Winnipeger | Sound about right? |
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| 22:06.35 | stoned | jspiro, there is always #debian-chat too |
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| 22:06.46 | stoned | jspiro, if you are unhappy with the former |
| 22:07.02 | jspiro | stoned: ok |
| 22:07.08 | stew | DJ_CraigW: run it as "bash -x install" instead |
| 22:07.31 | jspiro | Winnipeger: not clear. Get someone else to try it. Paste us the URL and ask who it works for. |
| 22:07.35 | DJ_CraigW | http://pastebin.com/m608f7030 |
| 22:07.41 | DJ_CraigW | thats what i get |
| 22:08.13 | themill | !dos2unix |
| 22:08.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, dos2unix is a tool for converting from DOS line endings (CR LF) to unix line endings (LF). The dos2unix (and unix2dos) utilities are in the package "tofrodos". For other methods, ask me about <crlf->unix> |
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| 22:08.46 | stoned | Winnipeger, uh.. which browser? how about about:plugins? what reports that to be the java in use? can you install firebug on iceweasel, enable debugging net console and see whats up perhaps? |
| 22:09.25 | themill | Winnipeger: did you install the -plugin package or only the -jre package? |
| 22:09.29 | DJ_CraigW | any idea stew? |
| 22:09.39 | stoned | themill, its dependant isn't it? |
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| 22:10.47 | themill | stoned: -plugin depends on -jre but not the other way around |
| 22:10.48 | stew | DJ_CraigW: see what dpkg said, that script contains dos style newlines. but that script is also buggy, there are multiple unterminated if statements, and the errors with 'which gmake' and 'which make' where they should be `which gmake` and `which make` |
| 22:10.48 | jspiro | is still really curious what DJ_CraigW's real problem is. why are you running some guy's script to install an ircd on your machine? why not install it yourself? what are you really trying to do? DJ_CraigW, if you don't want to answer, that's fine, we may be able to help you better help if you answer. :) |
| 22:10.48 | stoned | themill, ahh yes I just saw that |
| 22:10.48 | helo | hmm... if i boot the live image from a thumb drive, can i use apt to install packages that will remain permanently? |
| 22:10.48 | Ian_Daniher | anyone know how to get metadata for a last.fm stream, given only the session ID? |
| 22:10.48 | jspiro | helo: what are you really trying to do? :) |
| 22:10.49 | DJ_CraigW | jspiro i cannot install plexus |
| 22:10.51 | stoned | Ian_Daniher, uh... why in #debian? |
| 22:10.51 | DJ_CraigW | only Unreal |
| 22:10.55 | DJ_CraigW | and i hate unreal |
| 22:10.58 | themill | Ian_Daniher: /join #debian-offtopic and ask beardy |
| 22:11.02 | helo | jspiro: debug laptop problems using debian live on thumb drive |
| 22:11.02 | stew | Ian_Daniher: ask #last.fm |
| 22:11.15 | Ian_Daniher | stew: I had no clue there was such a thing - thanks |
| 22:11.31 | jspiro | helo: fair. I don't know the answer to your question though. Anyone? |
| 22:11.33 | Ian_Daniher | #debian is the best collection of geek minds I know of, figured I'd ask - should've used off-topic |
| 22:11.39 | jspiro | helo: I suggest ubuntu for live use btw. |
| 22:11.42 | Winnipeger | jspiro: Good thinking. I pulled up the site on my laptop, also running Debian lenny, and it worked fine. :( So, problem is here. stoned , I'm using iceweasel. themill I installed the sunjre6-plugin and let it pull in everything it needed. |
| 22:11.48 | helo | jspiro: every time windows starts up, it immediately bluescreens, so i was going to see if smartmontools sees anything wrong with the hard drive... boss's laptop |
| 22:12.24 | jspiro | helo: in the bios, turn on SMART monitoring. Also run the manufacturer diagnostics -- but do not use any destructive diagnostics if available. |
| 22:12.55 | themill | Winnipeger: there's no package called that. Can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l sun-java\* |
| 22:13.06 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: why do you want an ircd? maybe unreal or another of the many ircds available meets your needs? |
| 22:13.14 | stoned | themill, im sure he didn't mean literally that as the package name |
| 22:13.15 | DJ_CraigW | i dont like unreal |
| 22:13.19 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: even if you hate it :) |
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| 22:13.27 | stoned | Winnipeger, you did mean sun-java6-jre? |
| 22:13.29 | Winnipeger | themill: Sorry, I was just typing casually from memory |
| 22:13.38 | DJ_CraigW | i'm sorry, but it really doesnt matter WHY i need it |
| 22:13.47 | Winnipeger | hoping you'd fill in the correct package in your heads... let me run that command though |
| 22:13.48 | stoned | Winnipeger, you did mean sun-java6-plugin too? |
| 22:14.07 | jspiro | helo: better yet, go to channel ##windows and tell them what it says on the blue screen. Ask them what to try. |
| 22:14.07 | stoned | Winnipeger, apt-cache search sun|grep java6 |
| 22:14.08 | themill | Winnipeger: well.. the trouble is that it's a mix of the two package names I was asking about |
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| 22:14.46 | Winnipeger | http://pastebin.com/d6bcf4b64 |
| 22:15.45 | themill | Winnipeger: good, it's installed :) does about:plugins show a java plugin? |
| 22:16.15 | stew | DJ_CraigW: i see at least 10 different bugs in that script. i'd recommend not trying to use it at all. |
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| 22:17.42 | Winnipeger | themill: Yeah...http://pastebin.com/d685df9ec |
| 22:17.46 | jspiro | DJ_CraigW: we need more meta-information to properly help you. |
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| 22:20.48 | S-i-A | hi all |
| 22:20.55 | Winnipeger | I've disabled adblock and pop-up blockers and I'm trying again... |
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| 22:21.01 | morghot | hi all |
| 22:21.03 | S-i-A | which package need this Error? http://paste.debian.net/20844/ |
| 22:21.27 | stew | S-i-A: what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:21.45 | S-i-A | stew: medit |
| 22:21.46 | morghot | i need a source list for debian woody, did any person know some server |
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| 22:23.54 | jspiro | morghot: why do you want medit? :) |
| 22:24.08 | jspiro | oops |
| 22:24.16 | jspiro | morghot: why do you want a "source list for debian woody"? :) |
| 22:24.21 | S-i-A | jspiro: becuase i need it |
| 22:24.30 | stew | S-i-A: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:24.32 | jspiro | S-i-A: it is a text editor? is it not in apt? |
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| 22:24.57 | S-i-A | stew: 0.9.4 |
| 22:25.07 | stew | S-i-A: what version of debian? |
| 22:25.15 | stew | S-i-A: stable aka etch aka 4.0? |
| 22:25.23 | S-i-A | Lenny stew |
| 22:25.40 | stew | S-i-A: "apt-get build-dep medit" would install the packages necessary to compile it |
| 22:25.58 | stew | S-i-A: you'd also need to install build-essential |
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| 22:26.09 | S-i-A | stew: yes |
| 22:26.09 | stew | S-i-A: 0.9.2 isn't good enough? |
| 22:26.57 | S-i-A | stew: 62 MB will be installed :D |
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| 22:27.37 | jspiro | S-i-A: yes. are you on a modem, or on broadband? |
| 22:27.53 | S-i-A | Broadband |
| 22:28.43 | S-i-A | stew: 78 package is that all important? |
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| 22:29.21 | jspiro | S-i-A: yes. why do you need medit 0.9.4? what is changed since 0.9.2? |
| 22:29.40 | Winnipeger | Nah... I got in once, but since then I'm just getting nothing. |
| 22:29.54 | S-i-A | jspiro: because i wish every time last Version :) |
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| 22:30.33 | stew | S-i-A: "apt-cache showsrc medit | grep Build-Depends" will show you what is required. i don't know how many package are going to be pulled in as dependencies. does anything look obviously out of place? perhaps you have some packages being pulled in due to some previously unfinished operation with apt? |
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| 22:33.26 | Winnipeger | for instance, if any of you visit pogo.com then look at your error console, is it normal to see that many errors on just the front page? |
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| 22:35.59 | jspiro | S-i-A: that is fair. :) I see the maintainer is behind. You should email submit at bugs.debian.org, and write: Package: medit |
| 22:36.02 | jspiro | Severity: wishlist |
| 22:36.03 | jspiro | Thank you for packaging medit. It would be wonderful if you could please package new upstream version medit-0.9.4, available at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=167563&package_id=191796 |
| 22:36.27 | jspiro | S-i-A: that way you will remind the maintainer to catch up. That will help everyone who uses medit in Debian. |
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| 22:37.04 | S-i-A | jspiro: munttyan said must some one make debian package |
| 22:38.00 | stew | !dbugs 484257 |
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| 22:38.04 | dpkg | #484257:W[medit] medit: new upstream version released, please package (); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:06:37 UTC [] |
| 22:38.28 | jspiro | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484257#15 says 0.9.4 fixes critical dataloss bugs. |
| 22:38.42 | jspiro | I guess I should change the severity to grave? |
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| 22:39.20 | SeveredCross | Anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to handle a dual boot w/ LVM? |
| 22:39.27 | stew | jspiro: no, that should be a separate bug indicating exactly how the dataloss may occur |
| 22:39.33 | jspiro | SeveredCross: do you really need LVM? :) |
| 22:39.35 | SeveredCross | That is, I want to use LVM for my Linux partitions for easy crypt, etc., but I also dual boot XP. |
| 22:39.45 | SeveredCross | Easy crypt/resizing/other LVM benefits. |
| 22:39.54 | SeveredCross | I s'pose I don't really need it, but I've always wanted to try it. |
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| 22:40.45 | jspiro | SeveredCross: have you considered virtualization? sudo aptitude install virtualbox-ose #. or try Xen plus virt-manager, or kvm, or VMware Server, it's freeware |
| 22:41.19 | SeveredCross | jspiro: Virtualization doesn't handle games particularly well. -_- |
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| 22:41.31 | SeveredCross | I may try Xen again, it oughta be faster than VMware Server or VBox or KVM. |
| 22:41.49 | jspiro | SeveredCross: do you need DirectX? |
| 22:41.50 | SeveredCross | Seeing as it takes advantage of Intel's Vanderpool extensions. |
| 22:41.57 | SeveredCross | jspiro: Preferable, yes. |
| 22:41.57 | stew | SeveredCross: i don't really see any problem with what you are trying to do in general. is there something more specific you need to know? |
| 22:42.07 | S-i-A | jspiro: the medit creator is her #ggap |
| 22:42.20 | SeveredCross | stew: Just not sure what the best way to go about it is. I was hoping that I could use the auto-partitionining, but that likely won't work. |
| 22:42.26 | hatter | how do i check the mount count ? tune2fs something ? |
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| 22:43.09 | stew | SeveredCross: install windows first, leaving a lot of free space, then iirc you can tell the installer to just use the free space as lvm (though i'm not positive) |
| 22:43.13 | SeveredCross | Ah, okay. |
| 22:43.15 | stew | SeveredCross: but in any case, install winodws first |
| 22:43.23 | SeveredCross | Yeah, I knew to install Windows first. |
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| 22:43.29 | jspiro | SeveredCross: Just remember that if you use lvm, it will be hard or impossible to access your Linux partition from within Windows if it's ever necessary. I use plain ext3. You can resize ext3 just fine with gparted. |
| 22:43.32 | SeveredCross | I didn't think the installer would use just the free space as LVM, but it might be. |
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| 22:43.40 | SeveredCross | jspiro: Yep, I know. |
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| 22:44.38 | mavhc | you'd think people would be writing windows IFS drivers for all these linux FSs |
| 22:44.45 | jspiro | SeveredCross: if you want DirectX, better not to use virtualization. |
| 22:44.53 | stew | SeveredCross: yeah, you might be right. "/msg dpkg etchnhalf" is the lenny installer that installs etch, which has a better chance of being able to do what you want |
| 22:44.54 | jspiro | mavhc: it's not a profitable business to be in. |
| 22:44.54 | The | question: How do I change the color of bg and fg of the terminal from alt+f(1-6). all the instructions online are for xterm or some other type of vt |
| 22:45.06 | mavhc | it would instantly make your FS the favourite for all cross platform users |
| 22:45.08 | jspiro | The: why not use Konsole or gnome-terminal? |
| 22:45.27 | jspiro | mavhc: point. You should suggest it to Hans Reiser. |
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| 22:45.36 | jspiro | *to the reiserfs team. |
| 22:45.41 | The | jspiro: I like to use a full screen terminal alot without a gui |
| 22:45.43 | mavhc | he does have a lot of free time |
| 22:46.10 | jspiro | The: so use ratpoison wm or wmii or another Orthodox Window Manager, then run xterm with the title bar disabled. |
| 22:46.23 | stew | The: i'd check in /etc/console-tools/ and /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 22:46.26 | jspiro | mavhc: lol |
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| 22:46.41 | The | thank you |
| 22:47.07 | stew | The: (i have no idea if what you want is supported there, but its where i'd start) |
| 22:47.21 | nxmehta | can someone tell me what updatedefaultentry in /boot/grub/menu.lst is for? i can't find documentation anywhere on what it does |
| 22:47.51 | stew | nxmehta: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
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| 22:48.44 | nxmehta | stew: um, doesn't say anything about this option? |
| 22:48.59 | nxmehta | stew: oh, i see, i should msg it with updatedefaultentry? |
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| 22:50.19 | rebel_kid | how can i see processes and their resource consuption, i thought it was top but i cant figure that out lol |
| 22:50.37 | jspiro | rebel_kid: use top or sudo apt-get install htop. But why do you want to know? :) |
| 22:50.55 | jspiro | rebel_kid: For example: is your computer acting slow and you want to figure out why? |
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| 22:51.19 | rebel_kid | jspiro, nah just doing some development and i want to make sure it is being effecient and not leaking memory or something |
| 22:51.20 | bolt | are there any automatic backup systems in debian which also has client support for windows? |
| 22:51.36 | rebel_kid | jspiro, i tried top but it tells me my usage is wrong, what is the exact command |
| 22:51.43 | karsten | bolt: amanda |
| 22:51.48 | jspiro | rebel_kid: to check for memory leaks, don't use top. use valgrind |
| 22:51.53 | micols | anybody have any experience with DeLock sata pci controller under linux? |
| 22:51.53 | stew | nxmehta: oh, i had that option confused with savedefault |
| 22:52.14 | jspiro | dpkg: tell micols about anybody |
| 22:52.14 | rebel_kid | jspiro, alright still basic stats in top are nice :) |
| 22:52.23 | jspiro | micols: :-) |
| 22:53.06 | bolt | karsten: thanks. will check it out |
| 22:53.28 | jspiro | rebel_kid: but you won't know how to interpret them. So you'll derive the wrong info. |
| 22:53.46 | jspiro | rebel_kid: Better not to use top. Do you know the first rule of optimization btw? |
| 22:54.11 | rebel_kid | jspiro, that could be true, but an at a glance work load statistic is useful for more than just optimization |
| 22:54.16 | rebel_kid | jspiro, first rule? |
| 22:54.17 | stew | nxmehta: if you have 'default=saved' then having updatedefaultentry turned on will cause update-grub to call 'grub-set-default' |
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| 22:54.21 | jspiro | rebel_kid: yes. google it |
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| 22:55.21 | rebel_kid | jspiro, lol |
| 22:55.34 | jspiro | rebel_kid: the rule it is 100% true. |
| 22:56.11 | rebel_kid | jspiro, thats funny but i find it neccessary to modify my programs to do the same thing using less commands or ones that take less resources |
| 22:56.43 | rebel_kid | jspiro, if i didnt it would still take 2 seconds for meatballbot to answer your query, instead it takes .2 seconds |
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| 22:57.00 | jspiro | rebel_kid: do you know how to use a profiler? |
| 22:57.16 | gewt | I need to mount an SD card... |
| 22:57.18 | rebel_kid | jspiro, depends on your context |
| 22:57.20 | jspiro | rebel_kid: have you taken a Data Structures and Algorithms course at your local uni or community college? |
| 22:57.25 | GhostlyDeath | How do I end a user's X Session? |
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| 22:57.31 | jspiro | GhostlyDeath: why? :) |
| 22:57.34 | gewt | can anyone help? |
| 22:57.40 | nxmehta | stew: got it, thanks |
| 22:57.43 | rebel_kid | jspiro, im a high school student in honors classes, and trying to program so i havent had time :( |
| 22:57.52 | GhostlyDeath | jspiro: It needs to die |
| 22:57.54 | jspiro | rebel_kid: and why do you need your bot to be 1.8 seconds faster anyway? go outside and enjoy nature instead. :) |
| 22:58.23 | jspiro | rebel_kid: you can learn to optimize later on in life. |
| 22:58.44 | rebel_kid | jspiro, trust me after this hellish part of school is over (two more weeks) i plan on taking a nice 200 mile ride on the OC&E trail |
| 22:58.49 | jspiro | gewt: Debian is not user-friendly. Why did you pick it? :) |
| 22:58.58 | jspiro | rebel_kid: what is OG&E? |
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| 22:59.12 | rebel_kid | jspiro, bicycleing of course :), and its an old railroad converted to a foot and bicycle trail |
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| 22:59.49 | rebel_kid | jspiro, goes all through the woods and up into the marsh, its a nice trail :) i love nature, but i also love coding |
| 22:59.59 | jspiro | rebel_kid: hanging out with friends is more fun than coding anyday. |
| 23:00.02 | jspiro | :) |
| 23:00.06 | rebel_kid | :) |
| 23:00.10 | rebel_kid | yes |
| 23:00.17 | rebel_kid | many of my friends code with me tho :D |
| 23:00.20 | gewt | jspiro, becuase i don't want soemthig user friendly! |
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| 23:00.30 | jspiro | gewt: why not? :) |
| 23:00.43 | gewt | It's running as a server |
| 23:00.51 | gewt | as i liek more challenging stuff |
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| 23:01.08 | gewt | eh |
| 23:01.13 | gewt | ill use a windoze PC |
| 23:01.17 | jspiro | gewt: then: 1. Install Ubuntu. 2. sudo aptitude install ubuntu-server |
| 23:01.21 | gewt | it's nto enccessary no debian anyway ^.^ |
| 23:01.27 | jspiro | gewt: you get the best of both worlds. |
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| 23:01.38 | gewt | jspiro, i don't want to use ubuntu server :( |
| 23:01.41 | jspiro | gewt: why not? |
| 23:01.44 | gewt | i liek dbeian! |
| 23:01.46 | gewt | debian* |
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| 23:01.53 | jspiro | i do too. But it is too hard to use. |
| 23:02.00 | gewt | not to me |
| 23:02.02 | extor | I upgraded my kernel to etchnhalf going from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 and immediately my system broke, it now sees the hard drives attached to my PATA controller as SCSI devices. Any fixes for this bug? |
| 23:02.15 | jspiro | gewt: then you should have learned how to mount an sd card from elsewhere :) |
| 23:02.30 | micols | extor: try setting in bios to ide compatible mode |
| 23:02.33 | jspiro | gewt: for now, i recommend ubuntu, fedora, or opensuse for you. |
| 23:02.39 | micols | then it might look like normal ide disks again |
| 23:02.47 | gewt | jspiro, i've been using dbeian for a while |
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| 23:02.48 | micols | oh, pata, nevermind |
| 23:02.50 | extor | micols, its an IDE PATA controller--it is in ide compatible mode by default |
| 23:02.50 | gewt | I'm not new to it. |
| 23:02.55 | extor | nods |
| 23:02.56 | jspiro | gewt: it's never too late to change. |
| 23:03.00 | gewt | hm |
| 23:03.03 | gewt | i don't want to! |
| 23:03.06 | jspiro | gewt: why not? |
| 23:03.07 | gewt | I have it all configured. |
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| 23:03.15 | extor | can I just change hda5 to sda5 in /etc/fstab? |
| 23:03.36 | gewt | yes |
| 23:03.48 | gewt | if your usign sda5 and not hda5 |
| 23:03.57 | gewt | if not I'm not sure if it'd work well |
| 23:04.07 | extor | and I leave menu.lst in grub alone? |
| 23:04.11 | jspiro | gewt: so do a partial in-place reinstall of ubuntu. You can keep your home directory if you do. |
| 23:04.11 | extor | very confusing... |
| 23:04.20 | jspiro | gewt: and you will have your /etc archived. |
| 23:04.29 | gewt | jspiro, nah I liek debian |
| 23:04.38 | gewt | and I don't want soemthign liek really suer friendly |
| 23:04.44 | gewt | which is also a reason i like freebsd |
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| 23:04.50 | gewt | i Like emssign with stuff |
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| 23:05.10 | jspiro | gewt: but you are wasting our time / the freebsd people's time when you ask us how to do something that ubuntu would have done for you. |
| 23:05.15 | jspiro | gewt: please consider that. |
| 23:05.34 | gewt | I don't normally ask many questions |
| 23:05.43 | gewt | wanders off to google |
| 23:06.44 | jspiro | !gq |
| 23:06.45 | dpkg | i heard gq is Equatorial Guinea |
| 23:06.48 | jspiro | dpkg: no, gq is Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question. |
| 23:06.48 | dpkg | okay, jspiro |
| 23:07.32 | jspiro | gewt: "how do I mount an SD card on Debian" is a bad question. You can ask questions when you're stuck, but please ask detailed 5-line-long questions like extor did earlier. |
| 23:07.38 | jspiro | gewt: :) |
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| 23:07.54 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.56 | gewt | true. |
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| 23:09.33 | jspiro | pngwn: am i helping people wrongly? |
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| 23:09.57 | amphi | jspiro: someone might want the Equatorial Guinea factoid |
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| 23:10.23 | jspiro | dpkg: gq is also Equatorial Guinea |
| 23:10.23 | dpkg | okay, jspiro |
| 23:10.25 | amphi | jspiro: you can always do !tell foo about ask |
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| 23:11.00 | extor | jspiro, 5 line questions? |
| 23:11.04 | jspiro | amphi: I didn't see that factoid. You're right, it's better than gq. |
| 23:11.23 | jspiro | extor: yours came to 3 screen lines, but I was using it as an example of a good question. |
| 23:11.29 | extor | thanks |
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| 23:14.09 | S-i-A | ! lenny |
| 23:14.09 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 23:14.48 | jspiro | S-i-A: you can upgrade to lenny now. see !etch->lenny |
| 23:15.00 | S-i-A | jspiro: i have Lenny |
| 23:15.26 | Gryfelhase | !etch>lenny |
| 23:17.03 | themill | dpkg: tell Gryfelhase about etch->lenny |
| 23:17.03 | jspiro | is lenny supported here? |
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| 23:17.47 | S-i-A | jspiro: why not |
| 23:17.54 | S-i-A | lenny is debian |
| 23:18.01 | jspiro | S-i-A: it is unreleased. |
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| 23:19.06 | S-i-A | but however Debian, support and bug report make Released and stable |
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| 23:19.35 | themill | jspiro: of course lenny is supported. Especially this close to release. |
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| 23:20.17 | leftyfb | does the debian installer actually run debian or is it busybox? lsb-release says debian installer, but i'm not too sure |
| 23:23.57 | themill | leftyfb: you're getting a bit existential here. What is "debian"? It's basically a stripped down version of a normal debian installation with a few parts modified to save space (e.g. using busybox rather than a shell+utilities) |
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| 23:26.01 | TheSarge | hi i need to use portage on debian |
| 23:26.06 | leftyfb | ok, so with that , here's my issue. I'm trying to do debian installations from pxe over serial console (ipmi serial over lan). The problem is, the debian installer environment doesn't seem to include /sbin/getty. I tried puttling the binary from a full install but it doesn't work (GLIBC_2.0 not defined in libc.so.6) |
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| 23:28.48 | hever | abrotman: ping helps to refill /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail. But this is to slow. I can't send 1 MB data for example with netcat because I think no connection is established... |
| 23:28.59 | jspiro | TheSarge: why? |
| 23:29.36 | jspiro | I am reminded... edited repeat: pngwn, all, am i helping people wrongly? |
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| 23:31.28 | TheSarge | because apt is horrible |
| 23:31.43 | themill | TheSarge: then debian is not the distro for you |
| 23:31.46 | leftyfb | then go use gentoo |
| 23:31.53 | amphi | !tell TheSarge -about why aptitude |
| 23:31.56 | leftyfb | I have zero problems with apt |
| 23:32.05 | jspiro | TheSarge: please describe your specific problem in detail. |
| 23:32.23 | TheSarge | i want to use debian with portage |
| 23:32.28 | jspiro | TheSarge: please describe your specific problem in detail. |
| 23:32.29 | TheSarge | that is my problem |
| 23:32.34 | TheSarge | i just did |
| 23:32.43 | themill | TheSarge: In what way would that still be debian? |
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| 23:33.25 | TheSarge | the package manager makes the distro now? |
| 23:33.33 | funktor | http://haxdev.org/p/index.php?name=slug - i asked in debian arm as well, no one is active but i think this could be a general error on incompatible file types |
| 23:34.13 | jspiro | TheSarge: yes. |
| 23:34.16 | themill | TheSarge: it's a key part of debian and if you're going to recompile everything from source, then you also won't be using debian packages. So what part of debian will you be running? |
| 23:34.25 | amphi | TheSarge: if you don't use debian packages, what 'debian' do you have? |
| 23:35.17 | TheSarge | wow, you guys really think package managment is what makes a distro... |
| 23:35.45 | leftyfb | TheSarge: apt-get source <package> |
| 23:35.47 | leftyfb | there ya go |
| 23:35.48 | themill | TheSarge: and you're refusing to answer questions.... what do you think you'd be running if you weren't using debian packages? |
| 23:36.06 | funktor | TheSarge, what makes a distro? :P |
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| 23:37.07 | TheSarge | what makes a distro is what software it uses and supports, its releases, its community, and its support. |
| 23:37.14 | funktor | so, the packages |
| 23:37.20 | TheSarge | no |
| 23:37.29 | funktor | <TheSarge> what makes a distro is what software it uses and supports, its releases |
| 23:37.52 | segosa | what makes ubuntu different from debian? |
| 23:37.52 | funktor | debian's "software" is the .deb packages |
| 23:37.54 | TheSarge | i didn't say anything about packages, who cares if its from an rpm a deb or source? its stil software |
| 23:37.58 | segosa | its own packages. |
| 23:38.12 | funktor | the package organization, the package management, the amount of packages |
| 23:38.13 | leftyfb | TheSarge: if you aren't using the packages(software) that is in the repositories, then you're not using the software to which you are saying makes the distro |
| 23:38.23 | themill | TheSarge: seriously, if that's your attitude, then debian is not the distro for you. |
| 23:38.30 | jspiro | TheSarge: You want portage on debian, but debian has no ports tree. You should get another distro. Can we help you choose? |
| 23:38.34 | funktor | TheSarge, go run slackware |
| 23:38.34 | jspiro | Have you considered a BSD? |
| 23:38.39 | segosa | try gentoo |
| 23:38.42 | leftyfb | or gentoo |
| 23:38.44 | themill | or LFS |
| 23:38.52 | amphi | or plan 9 :) |
| 23:38.54 | TheSarge | if i get ncurses and build it from source instead of using a deb, the outcome is the same |
| 23:38.57 | funktor | or windows |
| 23:39.00 | amphi | why does everyone forget plan 9? |
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| 23:39.01 | jspiro | TheSarge: correct. |
| 23:39.02 | themill | TheSarge: so why bother |
| 23:39.16 | TheSarge | exactly |
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| 23:39.20 | leftyfb | TheSarge: apt-get source <package> |
| 23:39.22 | leftyfb | there ya go |
| 23:39.24 | TheSarge | you just made my point |
| 23:39.27 | hever | How can I create dummy network traffic? I need to update /dev/random |
| 23:39.30 | themill | TheSarge: so why bother? |
| 23:39.31 | leftyfb | build everything from source |
| 23:39.32 | funktor | TheSarge, the process of installing through an organized system of fixed packages is what makes up a distro |
| 23:39.32 | jspiro | TheSarge: or wajig build <package> |
| 23:39.39 | leftyfb | there is no port tree to do it for you |
| 23:39.46 | jspiro | hever: ping a nearby machine forever |
| 23:39.51 | TheSarge | the package manager does not hve anything to do with a distro |
| 23:39.54 | funktor | linux will always be linux, a distro is the organization of the packages |
| 23:40.01 | leftyfb | TheSarge: apt-get source <package> |
| 23:40.01 | hever | jspiro: This is to slow |
| 23:40.04 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: sure it does |
| 23:40.05 | amphi | hever: does pinging the loopback interface work? or a local NIC? |
| 23:40.06 | TheSarge | no its not |
| 23:40.07 | leftyfb | TheSarge: you have your answer |
| 23:40.14 | funktor | TheSarge, you are the only one that thinks so |
| 23:40.16 | icqnumber_ | is apt-get build-dep <package> equivalent to zypper si -d <package>? |
| 23:40.17 | hever | amphi: no |
| 23:40.20 | TheSarge | no you guys are ful of it |
| 23:40.27 | magnetron | TheSargeâ installing from source would not pull the dependecies. |
| 23:40.31 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: Debian has developed its own package managers since its inception. |
| 23:40.34 | amphi | enouf: ping |
| 23:40.37 | funktor | TheSarge, no one is forcing you to be here |
| 23:40.38 | TheSarge | i think you should be in #ubuntu |
| 23:40.38 | segosa | a distro also involves configuration |
| 23:40.46 | themill | TheSarge: are you just trolling? |
| 23:40.50 | leftyfb | he is |
| 23:40.52 | segosa | arch has configuration in different places to debian, and the same goes for init scripts and so on |
| 23:40.54 | magnetron | themillâ apparently |
| 23:40.57 | funktor | TheSarge, i think you should be in slackware |
| 23:41.25 | jspiro | hever: use a faster ping rate, or a different ping tool. |
| 23:41.29 | TheSarge | its all about the configuration, not the software |
| 23:41.51 | jspiro | hever: ping a machine on your LAN, though, not on the internet. |
| 23:41.52 | leftyfb | TheSarge: you just came here to argue and troll didn't you? |
| 23:41.53 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: whatever a distribution is or isn't, none of that is particularly on topic here. |
| 23:42.06 | TheSarge | no i want debian, i like how it is configured |
| 23:42.06 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: kindly drop it. |
| 23:42.29 | funktor | TheSarge we dont care. |
| 23:42.37 | jspiro | TheSarge: agreed |
| 23:42.42 | jspiro | it's OT. |
| 23:43.02 | TheSarge | drop it? because your all wrong and can't admit it, so you will abuse your power to make sure you don't look foolish now? |
| 23:43.02 | hever | jspiro: I think downloading will help. |
| 23:43.04 | segosa | if you want to use debian then you're gonna use apt and you're gonna like it. |
| 23:43.08 | themill | TheSarge: debian patches the source so that packages work better together as well. It's not just about the source. And if you believe that you would get the same result from recompiling it all, then why bother recompiling it all instead of just installing via apt? |
| 23:43.09 | segosa | or else |
| 23:43.10 | jspiro | hever: yes |
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| 23:43.20 | jspiro | hever: or bittorrent seeding |
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| 23:43.29 | funktor | segosa, he reminds me of nick lol |
| 23:43.46 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: please spend the next 10 minutes re-acquainting yourself with the topics which are appropriate for this channel. |
| 23:43.56 | hever | jspiro: interesting idea |
| 23:44.03 | jspiro | you could seed Debian. |
| 23:44.04 | neoice | claps |
| 23:44.11 | hever | sure ;) |
| 23:44.55 | leftyfb | so does anyone have any ideas about the issue of the debian installer not including /sbin/getty so i can do the install over serial? |
| 23:44.57 | hever | Can i listen with nc on a port without the interactive mode ? |
| 23:45.21 | hever | then I can send random big data to my external ip |
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| 23:45.39 | hever | nc -l -p 65000 is interactive |
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| 23:46.17 | jspiro | wonders if it's usual that heveas's entropy pool is so meager |
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| 23:46.27 | jspiro | and if so, how Debian could fix that |
| 23:46.50 | whistler108 | http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9557644 |
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| 23:47.20 | hever | jspiro: Can i listen with nc on a port without the interactive mode ? |
| 23:47.31 | jspiro | hever: dunno, ask everyone |
| 23:47.37 | dondelelcaro | leftyfb: it isn't required at all to use a serial port |
| 23:47.43 | hever | ok thanks |
| 23:47.57 | dondelelcaro | leftyfb: the installer will work just fine over a serial port if you've set the proper console options (or the only thing you have is a serial console) |
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| 23:48.56 | leftyfb | dondelelcaro: i set the option in the kernel and I see the kernel get loaded, but after that it's dead. The rest is supposed to be specified in /etc/inittab by using getty |
| 23:49.07 | jspiro | hever: you're welcome. |
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| 23:49.41 | leftyfb | http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html |
| 23:49.45 | leftyfb | as mentioned there |
| 23:50.03 | leftyfb | ::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 |
| 23:50.31 | dondelelcaro | leftyfb: that's for a login shell, which has nothing to do with the installer |
| 23:50.39 | leftyfb | hm |
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| 23:51.20 | leftyfb | so where would I begin to troubleshoot this? Like I said, I see the grub menu along with the kernel being loaded, then it stops |
| 23:52.38 | leftyfb | actually, I might have an idea. But where is the serial information specified for the installer? |
| 23:52.59 | leftyfb | my guess is it's defaulted to ttyS0 but i'm using ttyS1 |
| 23:53.34 | leftyfb | and on more thought, this actually wouldn't just be a config for the installer, because I don't see any of the normal bootup process either |
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| 23:54.10 | dondelelcaro | leftyfb: uh.. if you don't see any of the normal bootup process, then that's an indication that you've not actually configured the console line properly |
| 23:54.22 | leftyfb | configured it where? |
| 23:54.29 | dondelelcaro | when you tell it to boot |
| 23:55.00 | dondelelcaro | d-i reads the console= line, and uses that to configure the console |
| 23:55.23 | TheSarge | wtf |
| 23:55.37 | leftyfb | d-i ? as in using preseed? |
| 23:55.56 | dondelelcaro | leftyfb: no, as in it reads /proc/cmdline |
| 23:56.08 | leftyfb | i'm specifying it in the pxelinux.cfg/default |
| 23:56.31 | leftyfb | this is the debian network installer running over pxe |
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