| 00:00.11 | DukeDrake | K_Sakura: it's a device for opening a vpn tunnel ... |
| 00:00.17 | jogla | JordiGH: wysiwyg? |
| 00:00.18 | jogla | Hmm |
| 00:00.19 | DukeDrake | themill: erm ... dunno? |
| 00:00.30 | JordiGH | jogla: No, not wysiwyg. preview-latex. |
| 00:00.36 | jogla | ahh |
| 00:00.51 | themill | DukeDrake: what's in /etc/debian_version? |
| 00:01.01 | jogla | i can't see the difference in the screen shot |
| 00:01.09 | JordiGH | jogla: You move the point over the previewed LaTeX, you get to see the code. You modify the code, move the point away, it gets recompiled, you see the change immediately. |
| 00:01.13 | jogla | so you type in the formula and get the image? |
| 00:01.17 | JordiGH | Yep. |
| 00:01.18 | DukeDrake | themill: 3.1 |
| 00:01.24 | jogla | ahh |
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| 00:01.36 | jogla | i though about giving emacs a try too |
| 00:01.48 | JordiGH | Mwhahaha, step into the light, brother. |
| 00:01.53 | JordiGH | Have you let Emacs into your heart? |
| 00:01.59 | jogla | Not yet |
| 00:02.17 | themill | DukeDrake: I know this doesn't solve your problem, but sarge (debian 3.1) is past its use-by date. Security support stopped over 6 months ago. You should really be upgrading to etch. /msg dpkg sarge->etch. |
| 00:02.29 | jogla | JordiGH: But what about god, who wrote the world in 6 days with vi |
| 00:02.43 | JordiGH | jogla: In Emacs he could have done it in 3 or 4. |
| 00:02.44 | jogla | Do you thing the world would be better if he had used emacs? |
| 00:02.49 | jogla | hmm |
| 00:02.50 | jogla | good point |
| 00:02.54 | DukeDrake | themill: sounds like a few days of system-upgrade ... o.o |
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| 00:03.16 | K_Sakura | Slow connection, I take it? |
| 00:03.25 | jogla | JordiGH: What do i need to install to get started? Arent there different versions? |
| 00:03.27 | themill | DukeDrake: it's not that bad. Well, it depends how complicated your setup is. It's a relatively straightforward procedure. |
| 00:03.43 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 00:04.06 | DukeDrake | is it possible to resolve the issue with the missing tun-module, anyway? |
| 00:04.24 | JordiGH | jogla: Wow. You're really gonna try it. |
| 00:04.47 | jogla | JordiGH: emacs has a superior scripting language to vim |
| 00:05.05 | JordiGH | jogla: Okay, well, try aptitude install emacs... when you first load emacs, you'll be greeted with a splash screen that should tell you what to do next. |
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| 00:05.20 | themill | DukeDrake: tun is certainly in the 2.6 kernel that etch has. I have no idea whether it is available for a 2.4 kernel... that's a long time ago. |
| 00:05.21 | jogla | thank you |
| 00:05.48 | JordiGH | jogla: Emacs has a tutorial much like vim's... but it will require some cerebellum rewiring. |
| 00:06.01 | JordiGH | Expect to hate it for about a day or two. ;-) |
| 00:06.10 | JordiGH | Or longer. ;-) |
| 00:06.18 | K_Sakura | I think my last 2.4 kernel was more than 3~4 years ago. |
| 00:06.25 | DukeDrake | themill: I understand. Will I need to manually compile a new kernel in order to upgrade to 2.6 ? |
| 00:06.38 | jogla | JordiGH: Does it have the same abilities in editing as vim? |
| 00:07.08 | K_Sakura | Most of the time a vanilla 2.6 kernel works. |
| 00:07.14 | themill | DukeDrake: if you upgrade to etch, no. The kernel is part of the distro. There is a 2.6 kernel available for sarge, but your local mirror will no longer have sarge packages available. |
| 00:07.49 | JordiGH | jogla: Yes, of course, but it's a different philosophy altogether. It's also for touch-typists, and it's designed for you to not move your wrists away from homerow keys, ever. But it takes a while to get used to it. |
| 00:08.02 | JordiGH | jogla: I am not a musician, but I imagine learning to play the piano must be a similar process. |
| 00:08.18 | jogla | thounds good |
| 00:08.33 | DukeDrake | themill: ok. So the whole upgrade process will simply be initialised by ... "dpkg sarge->etch" ?? |
| 00:08.39 | jogla | i use dvorak, so that homerow thing is a bit dificult, but i know that from vim |
| 00:08.54 | segosa | if I have edited my sources.list and added the experimental distro and then selectievly upgraded a package e.g. apt-get install pidgin/experimental (and of course not updated anything else to experimental) when a new version of pidgin is put in the experimental tree, will apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade see that I am running pidgin experimental and upgrade to the new experimental version? |
| 00:08.56 | themill | dpkg: tell DukeDrake about sarge->etch |
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| 00:09.01 | jogla | lol, the first thing i wrote was jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj to move down ;) |
| 00:09.03 | JordiGH | jogla: I know there are dvorak users in #macs. |
| 00:09.25 | themill | DukeDrake: no, that's a command for your irc client to ask the dpkg bot about how to do the upgrade. Check the msg you just got from dpkg. |
| 00:09.32 | JordiGH | jogla: If you really want vi-like keys, do Alt-x, type "viper" (maybe tab-complete it) then hit enter. |
| 00:10.28 | DukeDrake | themill: oops ... =) |
| 00:10.34 | DukeDrake | themill: I got the message, thanx |
| 00:10.35 | themill | :) |
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| 00:12.11 | jogla | JordiGH: How would i integrate git into emacs, if thats possible? |
| 00:12.22 | jogla | is it like vim with all this script? |
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| 00:12.44 | JordiGH | jogla: Hm, if you open a file under git control, Emacs should just notice that automatically. It's not there? |
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| 00:15.10 | JordiGH | jogla: See the status bar below, it doesn't mention git? |
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| 00:15.59 | jogla | JordiGH: it does |
| 00:16.03 | jogla | i'm impressed |
| 00:16.05 | jogla | really |
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| 00:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, emacs? not xemacs? :) |
| 00:18.15 | EugenMayer | how to activite DMA on sata drives ? |
| 00:18.44 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: That's a sect, but they are mostly good people too. |
| 00:18.44 | jogla | in vim, i mapped <F1> to <F4> for git |
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| 00:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, 1st time in my life someone puts me in a sect... and I also use vim (perhaps more often than xemacs for all those small edits)... now what does that make me? |
| 00:24.14 | phrenzy | hey anyone on gnome here? new gnome icon themes here doesn't seem to be changing all icons.. some stay unchanged.. any idea what the problem might be? |
| 00:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, probably also hdparm - but for sata it should be activated by default... and hdparm often can't do a thing |
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| 00:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, you can still read the drive state/settings with hdparm -I <device> |
| 00:24.49 | jenga_boy | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 00:24.53 | EugenMayer | i just see that my EPIA board seem to have a really bad throughput |
| 00:24.54 | jenga_boy | lol |
| 00:25.00 | phrenzy | these icons do exist, they are just not being applied |
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| 00:25.10 | EugenMayer | i have a SATA controller and CPU is on 100% laod when writing / reading |
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| 00:25.21 | phrenzy | o_o |
| 00:25.32 | jenga_boy | *zap* |
| 00:25.33 | jenga_boy | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 00:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ops jenga_boy |
| 00:25.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cutmeownthroat complains about: jenga_boy |
| 00:25.46 | jogla | JordiGH: Well, really thank you, i will keep learning it, maybe some day.. we'll see :) |
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| 00:26.03 | jenga_boy | *zap* |
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| 00:26.03 | jenga_boy | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 00:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop it already |
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| 00:26.50 | dvs | JonathanD: hey! You're not in the list of ops! |
| 00:26.57 | Doctor_N1ck | i love it |
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| 00:27.11 | stew | dvs: he's staff, which we ask to help us in the even that no actual ops are around |
| 00:27.31 | dvs | steve: oh. ok. We don't want any stowaways here. ;-) |
| 00:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not steve, stew... like the stuff you eat |
| 00:28.19 | JonathanD | dvs: we usually try to avoid doing that, but some issues (like that kind) are important enough to step in for :) |
| 00:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should read up on that vulnerability |
| 00:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:31.47 | BubbaT | There is a "list of op"? |
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| 00:32.00 | trentg | Where's gimp? |
| 00:32.07 | stew | BubbaT: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 00:32.55 | trentg | Is there a gimp in lenny? |
| 00:33.02 | segosa | apt-get install gimp |
| 00:33.02 | jberg | i have two sata 750 gb disks which im going to use for a backup/file server with raid 1. but should i use LVM? i haven't really understood what it is and what the benefits are.. |
| 00:33.17 | trentg | E: Couldn't find package gimp\ |
| 00:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, hm, indeed sounds suspicious... try hdparm first... as these will become emulated scsi drives, you can also try the scsi tools - but I don't think those can enable/disable dma - I think DMA is not really an option in the scsi world (? not sure though) |
| 00:34.53 | EugenMayer | CutMeOwnThroat: i will look into it. As far as google tells me, DMA is activated by factory for SATA |
| 00:35.02 | EugenMayer | while i cant really see a technical reason for that |
| 00:35.03 | segosa | trentg: fix your sources.list and/or apt-get update |
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| 00:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jberg, lvm basically lets you have partitions of variable size and even spread out on several physical disks... |
| 00:35.42 | mimcpher | I have a random feature I want. If I have two monitors, I want to be able to switch between workspaces on them, but I want to be able to switch independently on each monitor, and that they use the same "pool" of workspaces on both. Does anybody know if such a beast exists? |
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| 00:36.03 | JordiGH | Workspaces? |
| 00:36.06 | JordiGH | You mean desktops? |
| 00:36.25 | JordiGH | You want to have a different side of the cube on each monitor? |
| 00:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jberg, if you'll only have one partition on that raid1 anyways, I don't see any benefit (but I've never used/needed lvm - I think it will just increase complexity and therefore potentially lead to more problems) |
| 00:36.36 | themill | mimcpher: I too have wondered about that, but never found such a feature. |
| 00:36.52 | JordiGH | imagines the compiz devs have probably thought about it. |
| 00:37.01 | mimcpher | If they haven't, I might have to. |
| 00:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell segosa -about sources.list |
| 00:37.19 | JordiGH | mimcpher: Head over to #compiz, they're smart people over there. |
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| 00:37.26 | segosa | why are you telling me? |
| 00:37.33 | segosa | trentg was the one asking |
| 00:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 00:37.43 | segosa | but he left anyway |
| 00:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | segosa, because I'm starting to get alzheimer... or something like that |
| 00:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 00:38.06 | segosa | heh |
| 00:38.12 | segosa | do you have any idea about my problem? :D |
| 00:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what am I doing here anyways |
| 00:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | who am I |
| 00:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 00:39.06 | segosa | my question was: if I have edited my sources.list and added the experimental distro and then selectively upgraded a package e.g. apt-get install pidgin/experimental (and of course not updated anything else to experimental) when a new version of pidgin is put in the experimental tree, will apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade see that I am running pidgin experimental and upgrade to the new experimental version? |
| 00:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | segosa, I have lastlog... and I personally wouldn't leave experimental in the sources.list permanently |
| 00:39.59 | segosa | it doesn't seem to install any experimental package unless I specifically tell it to via "/experimental" at the end |
| 00:40.08 | segosa | it completely ignores it |
| 00:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but only edit it in when I need it |
| 00:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's probably a good thing :) |
| 00:40.20 | segosa | yeah |
| 00:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would guess the answer is "no" |
| 00:40.46 | JordiGH | segosa: yes, that's the way it's supposed to be. |
| 00:40.47 | segosa | so I can selectively update stuff I want to be the latest, when I need to, which is good. I just wonder if any updates are handled with it or not. otherwise I just need to wait until a new version of pidgin is out and see. |
| 00:40.50 | themill | segosa: You need to sort out your pinning. |
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| 00:41.25 | JordiGH | segosa: You can change the pin priority of some experimental packages if you want them to be automatically updated. |
| 00:41.30 | segosa | ah |
| 00:41.37 | segosa | I see |
| 00:41.39 | jberg | CutMeOwnThroat, what do you mean by "partition with variable sizes"? i will have several partitions, not only one? |
| 00:41.39 | segosa | googles |
| 00:41.48 | themill | dpkg: tell segosa about pinning |
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| 00:42.02 | jberg | err, the last sentence was not a question |
| 00:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jberg, /msg dpkg lvm to get some common howtos/faqs - the faq explains what it does |
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| 00:43.35 | jberg | ok thanks |
| 00:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jberg, e.g. this one: http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/#what_is_it |
| 00:43.44 | themill | segosa: You need experimental pinned with priority between 500 and 990 and sid pinned with a priority slightly higer than that (but not more than 990) |
| 00:44.42 | segosa | well from what I just read I was gonna try http://gifpaste.org/p/index.php?name=pinning |
| 00:44.48 | segosa | but I'm not sure if that's right now |
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| 00:46.41 | themill | segosa: a pin of less than 500 is insufficient to get the automatic upgrading that you want. See man 5 apt_preferences. |
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| 00:46.46 | segosa | okay |
| 00:47.06 | EugenMayer | i try to create a raid and get : |
| 00:47.06 | EugenMayer | mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=raid0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb7 :(mdadm: error opening /dev/md1: No such file or directory |
| 00:47.09 | EugenMayer | any ideas? |
| 00:47.35 | themill | segosa: You also can't usually mix testing and experimental like that.... and certainly not stable and experimental... Be careful with this. |
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| 00:47.54 | segosa | yeah, I realise that |
| 00:48.26 | segosa | there are only a few select apps that I want from experimental anyway |
| 00:48.32 | simonrvn | EugenMayer: man MAKEDEV |
| 00:49.38 | segosa | themill: do I want "Package: *" pinned on experimental, or just the specific package? |
| 00:49.51 | EugenMayer | simonrvn: why should i create it manually? it worked with all other raids the normal create way ?! |
| 00:50.00 | esaym | Is there any program out that does something like "virtual flash cards" that would help me memorize some vocabulary words? |
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| 00:50.54 | Bryanstein | esaym, |
| 00:51.01 | Bryanstein | pyflashcards it's great |
| 00:51.04 | themill | segosa: I _think_ * should be OK for you as it will only pick up packages that you manually specify should come from experimental. But test it out... check what apt things it should upgrade. |
| 00:51.15 | Bryanstein | there are a few others |
| 00:51.15 | segosa | themill: okay, cool. thanks. |
| 00:51.19 | Bryanstein | but I like it the best |
| 00:51.23 | jogla | [43095.200049] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 |
| 00:51.32 | jogla | [43095.225437] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 4 |
| 00:51.50 | jogla | [42858.776597] VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 00:51.59 | jogla | what to with that device? |
| 00:52.21 | jogla | thats a luks formated usb mass storage device with ext3 (if that matters) |
| 00:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | esaym, lingoteach-lesson? anki? ( /msg dpkg search ) |
| 00:53.00 | esaym | Bryanstein: pyflashcards? I will look, sounds promising... |
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| 00:53.26 | Bryanstein | esaym, let me know if you need help figuring it out...its kinda funny but it works great |
| 00:53.33 | Bryanstein | you need python |
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| 00:53.52 | simonrvn | EugenMayer: because udev isn't catching it? (obviously) |
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| 00:55.35 | EugenMayer | which kernel do i use for an EPIA c3? 686 or 486? |
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| 00:56.25 | JordiGH | Hm, debsums tell me a binary fails. Is it time to fsck? |
| 00:56.29 | EugenMayer | that are the specs : http://pastebin.com/m11ac0d23 |
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| 00:57.44 | pepve | how do i set the default resolution for X? |
| 00:57.49 | slim_ | hello all, i have running system on 2GB compact flash and want to take backup on usb flash 2GB how to do this ? |
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| 01:01.23 | sphenxes | when i run amarok, i get the following error message :Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.. |
| 01:01.49 | jogla | sphenxes: ps aux | grep -i amarok |
| 01:01.53 | jogla | is it running? |
| 01:02.07 | sphenxes | no |
| 01:02.14 | jogla | maybe its something related with xine, did you try to reboot? |
| 01:02.23 | jogla | can other programs that use xine play sound? |
| 01:02.28 | sphenxes | yes. no solution (reboot) |
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| 01:02.36 | slim_ | EugenMayer, i think C3 version you own is not 686 , i have also C3 running but this version i have is 686 compatible and this is its specs http://phpfi.com/375231 |
| 01:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | pepve, either in //etc/X11/xorg.conf or you can dynamically change it with xrandr if your xorg is recent enough (e.g. in lenny) |
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| 01:03.05 | sphenxes | jogla, what are other programs that use xine? |
| 01:03.18 | jogla | kaffeine can use it, for example |
| 01:03.18 | pepve | i'm on lenny, thanks |
| 01:03.19 | sphenxes | vlc? |
| 01:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, did you forget to mention the actual problem up there? |
| 01:03.30 | slim_ | EugenMayer, but i'm not sure about your version |
| 01:03.34 | EugenMayer | slim_: i googled and you are 100% tight. cmov instruction is missing int the c3 kernel |
| 01:03.34 | jogla | maybe, see if you can configure it as engine |
| 01:04.02 | slim_ | yes, in spite of this i'm using 486 :) |
| 01:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, I mean - that message is not a problem... are you indeed saying amarok doesn't start? |
| 01:05.23 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, i see the blue screen of amarok then nothing happen. i can't find amarok any more. it was working few days ago. but now not any more |
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| 01:07.23 | sphenxes | i have also tried reinstall. amarok doesn' t work |
| 01:08.22 | jogla | and if you rename .kde/share/apps/amarok to .kde/share/apps/amarok.old, just for a try, i'm afraid it will work |
| 01:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell pepve about drxx |
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| 01:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, well, do what it suggests :) run strace on amarokapp |
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| 01:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, try to start amarokapp alone also |
| 01:10.55 | sphenxes | jogla, i am really terrefied :-) it works now. thanks a lot |
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| 01:11.31 | sphenxes | jogla, how has you solved the problem? |
| 01:12.04 | jogla | it seems to have corrupted its config directory |
| 01:12.05 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, i have changed the directory as jogla said. it works now |
| 01:12.21 | jogla | its not a solution to the problem, because all your collection information are gone |
| 01:12.31 | jogla | do you maybe have a recent backup of that directory? |
| 01:12.40 | sphenxes | jogla, yes |
| 01:12.57 | jogla | thats indeed good |
| 01:13.00 | sphenxes | jogla, few weeks ago but that is fine |
| 01:13.12 | themill | dpkg, no lenny release notes is <reply> Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug> |
| 01:13.12 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 01:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, ah, that was the next thing I was going to suggest - only didn't know which directory thta was :) |
| 01:13.30 | jogla | ;) |
| 01:13.36 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks anyway |
| 01:13.38 | Ian_Daniher | ok, I have two debian machines, it-dellappy and debxo |
| 01:13.51 | themill | (there's now a copy of the DRAFT lenny release notes at http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ for those who were wondering what that change was) |
| 01:13.52 | Ian_Daniher | I'm trying to display oowriter on debxo, running the program on it-dellappy |
| 01:14.04 | Ian_Daniher | I've ssh -x'ed into it-dellappy from debxo |
| 01:14.17 | Ian_Daniher | run command "oowriter" and it shows up on *it-dellappy* |
| 01:14.20 | Ian_Daniher | and I have no clue why |
| 01:14.26 | xxiao | got a pipe question: sleep 5 | ls |
| 01:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, you can probably copy/move stuff back into the newly created directory from the one that makes amarok not start right now.... you'll see for which file that starts happening |
| 01:14.50 | xxiao | why ls shows output before 'sleep 5' completes? |
| 01:15.11 | Ian_Daniher | xxiao: you need to run "sleep 5;ls" |
| 01:15.17 | Ian_Daniher | pipe runs the commands concurrently |
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| 01:15.28 | Ian_Daniher | semicolon will run them sequentially |
| 01:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, it's ssh -X, no? |
| 01:15.54 | Ian_Daniher | just tried that |
| 01:15.57 | xxiao | Ian: then when I do "find somefiles | grep them", how can I make sure "grep" all the find files? |
| 01:15.58 | Ian_Daniher | same thing |
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| 01:16.20 | xxiao | I thought pipe has an enforced order until today |
| 01:16.28 | Ian_Daniher | xxiao: not that I'm aware of |
| 01:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, hm a) you can try what ssh -X -v -v -v tells you - but what I suspect is, that you got a hacked .bashrc which resets the DISPLAY to :0 |
| 01:16.42 | Ian_Daniher | hm |
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| 01:17.16 | Ian_Daniher | CutMeOwnThroat: what *should* I set DISPLAY to? |
| 01:17.39 | mimcpher | Ian_Daniher, to the display you're using. You shouldn't be setting it manually most of the time. |
| 01:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, you do something like fine . -type f -name somename\* -exec grep -il '{}' + |
| 01:18.10 | Ian_Daniher | mimcpher: how do I find out what display the "debxo" machine is? |
| 01:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, DISPLAY should be set by ssh automatically - typically to :10 or :11 |
| 01:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, did I just tell him something fatal? :) |
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| 01:19.45 | themill | Ian_Daniher|xo: "echo $DISPLAY" to see what it's set to |
| 01:19.50 | xxiao | Cut: i thought pipe, as its name suggests, should flow in order, instead of spawn all commands in parallel, like "&&" |
| 01:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, DISPLAY should be set by ssh automatically - typically to :10 or :11 |
| 01:20.02 | MatthewG | Hm, this box has high load... trying to narrow it down. This one isn't as obvious as ones int he past. Hm, for swap I see 15 (from free -m)... if a box swaps once, will the swap used ever go back down? Or is there a way to tell when this was swapped? |
| 01:20.07 | Ian_Daniher|xo | themill: its's set to :0.0 |
| 01:20.11 | xxiao | so: sleep 5 && ls -- sleep 5 | ls what's the difference then? |
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| 01:20.26 | themill | Ian_Daniher|xo: inside the ssh connection? |
| 01:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, no, consider e.g. cat /dev/null | grep bla |
| 01:20.39 | xxiao | i always thought the latter one will get its input from the one ahead in pipe, geez, needs to fix lots of scripts then |
| 01:20.54 | themill | xxiao: the data flows, but you can start processing the data before it has all arrived |
| 01:21.05 | Ian_Daniher|xo | themill: yes |
| 01:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, if the pipe wouldn't run things in parallel, the grep would never happen |
| 01:21.28 | themill | xxiao: "i always thought the latter one will get its input from the one ahead in pipe," <== that's correct. |
| 01:21.55 | xxiao | themill: what about if the cpu is overloaded, the one behind the pipe may not be able to pick up the output ahead, that's bad |
| 01:22.08 | themill | huh? |
| 01:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, of course it gets the input from the former - but it doesn't wait until the 1st program exits to process it |
| 01:22.45 | xxiao | Cut: ok, now it makes sense... |
| 01:22.45 | themill | Ian_Daniher|xo: are you manually setting the DISPLAY in your .bashrc or .bash_profile or something? |
| 01:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, you can autocomplete my nick with tab, btw. |
| 01:23.13 | Ian_Daniher|xo | themill: I just rebooted it-dellappy & it resolved my problems |
| 01:23.28 | xxiao | Cut: i know...but it's too brutal :) |
| 01:23.39 | themill | Ian_Daniher|xo: good to hear.... |
| 01:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, no, it's not - /msg dpkg dibbler if you care to know about it |
| 01:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|xo, eeek, you did it the windows way |
| 01:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | now THAT I find brutal |
| 01:24.59 | Ian_Daniher|xo | CutMeOwnThroat: because I've been running this session for three days and have been doing some major hacking |
| 01:25.05 | xxiao | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.37 | MatthewG | Hm, this box has high load... trying to narrow it down. This one isn't as obvious as ones int he past. Hm, for swap I see 15 (from free -m)... if a box swaps once, will the swap used ever go back down? Or is there a way to tell when this was swapped? |
| 01:25.39 | Ian_Daniher|xo | CutMeOwnThroat: (and because upon restarting x on it-dellappy, the computer crashed ;) |
| 01:26.11 | Ian_Daniher|xo | hence why I'm talking on thismachine |
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| 01:26.46 | Ian_Daniher | and... back :D |
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| 01:27.29 | MatthewG | vmstat 1 shows 2-12 processes waiting to be run (in r column) |
| 01:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dibbler |
| 01:28.01 | dpkg | methinks dibbler is Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' |
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| 01:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, I don't know why that shouldn't have worked for you |
| 01:29.33 | esaym | Bryanstein: Yea I can't figure out how to use pyflashcards :-/ What is the first step to make cards? |
| 01:30.07 | xxiao | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm on irssi, wierd. but good to know thanks. |
| 01:30.46 | esaym | Bryanstein: N/M I think I got it |
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| 01:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, I think it opens a new channel in irrsi for you... and... you switch between them with... err.. alt-1 alt-2 and so on? (or alt-tab?) |
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| 01:33.46 | jberg | hm, where can i download debian testing netinst? |
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| 01:34.10 | Rideh | http://change.gov/agenda/technology/ bit off topic but if you work in IT its relevant :D |
| 01:34.24 | liable | jberg: try the rc1 installer and fill out an installation report |
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| 01:36.10 | jberg | huh? fill out an installation report? |
| 01:36.17 | pkcahier | what is the groups part in id? I understand uid and gid are a given variable for each process, but the groups variable(id -G) also varies for processes with same uid/gid, which is heavily disturbing to me:) |
| 01:36.29 | pkcahier | I always though a process only had an uid and a gid to identify it's securities. |
| 01:36.49 | pkcahier | (I'm getting permission denied for a process that apparently has the same uid/gid as my tests(that work) but different id -G) |
| 01:36.51 | liable | jberg: yeah, see the installation manual, it mentions it, and rc1 was just released, so they need testers :) |
| 01:36.53 | mats | how can i activate aiglx? compiz doesn't work ... |
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| 01:38.06 | liable | jberg: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- use a daily build |
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| 01:38.24 | DukeDrake | mh ... I'm trying to setup my sources.list |
| 01:38.28 | jberg | oh ok, thanks |
| 01:38.50 | DukeDrake | what should I put there for the ftp mirror? |
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| 01:39.13 | chuck | hifi, how can I uninstall MySQL while making sure it removes all the config files and data directories and stuff |
| 01:39.20 | mats | ... i can't find aiglx with synaptic |
| 01:40.01 | Heebie | Hi.. I'm having a problem with NIC bonding on etch.. and none of the readme's and howto's I've found seem to help. For some reason the bonding module is absolutely refusing to load with mode 1.. it always comes up as mode 0. I've looked at about 10 different sets of instructions (including my own which work on an older version of debian just fine.).. anyone have any ideas on why the bonding module just refuses to take an |
| 01:40.02 | jberg | hm, maybe i should use debian 4.0 rc5 if they are in the middle of switching releases and breaking stuff since this is going to be a server |
| 01:40.15 | liable | mats: its enabled by default in xorg if your card can do it with the drivers that you have installed |
| 01:41.04 | Bryanstein | esaym, |
| 01:41.08 | Bryanstein | you fine over there? |
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| 01:42.00 | Toad | hey all.. i'm having some issues making a package for local use using dh_make |
| 01:42.12 | Toad | specifically it's not installing any of the files, despite their ending up in debian/tmp/usr/lib |
| 01:42.29 | Toad | I've got them listed in pkgname.dirs, but the resulting deb has the dirs empty |
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| 01:44.06 | chuck | anyone know about my apt-get question |
| 01:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 01:44.44 | jpinx | chuck: purge usually removes all config files |
| 01:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, you might also ask dpkg about apt-spy and debian mirrors |
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| 01:45.05 | peppe | chuck: with purge you'll remove config files ; eventually you can remove the databases from /var/something |
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| 01:45.09 | jpinx | chuck: man apt-get for details |
| 01:45.13 | chuck | jpinx, apt-get remove mysql-server; apt-get purge ? |
| 01:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, data directories you will have to remove yourself as they are not part of the package |
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| 01:45.30 | Xklark | Hi, i can't figure out whats wrong with my gcc - whenever I try to compile anything, i get errors with wierd characters] |
| 01:45.41 | Xklark | .././mysql.mod/mysql.c: In function âclosedbâ: |
| 01:45.41 | Xklark | .././mysql.mod/mysql.c:361: error: âdbcâ undeclared |
| 01:45.49 | jpinx | chuck - better to remove the data before you remove the package maybe |
| 01:46.01 | Xklark | things like this happen whenever i compile anything |
| 01:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, apt-get --purge remove package |
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| 01:47.57 | chuck | CutMeOwnThroat, ah |
| 01:48.35 | jpinx | anyone know of a package like skype, but I just need it for text messages |
| 01:49.12 | DukeDrake | I get "Security: bad ip connecting" when trying to connect to ftp.debian.org |
| 01:49.17 | DukeDrake | what's wrong? |
| 01:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | pkcahier, there's also uuid ... so there's probably a ugid as well? |
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| 01:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, $LANG $XTERM_LOCALE $LOCALE or something set in a weird combination, perhaps? |
| 01:51.46 | chuck | Okay, mysql-server is fscked over now |
| 01:51.49 | chuck | mysqld.sock doesn't exist anymore |
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| 01:52.38 | Xklark | i dont know CutMeOwnThroat, i'm a noob :( |
| 01:52.48 | Xklark | i have build-essential, gcc, and g++ |
| 01:52.56 | Xklark | i got them through apt-get |
| 01:53.03 | chuck | CutMeOwnThroat, Any ideas? |
| 01:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, the errors you showed don't seem connected to that, though but seem to be real compile errors |
| 01:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuck, I thought you wanted to remove everything ? |
| 01:53.25 | Xklark | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem is, it happens on everything |
| 01:53.31 | chuck | CutMeOwnThroat, I want to reinstall it though... |
| 01:53.33 | Xklark | anything i compile, i get wierd errors like that |
| 01:53.39 | Xklark | with wierd characters |
| 01:53.43 | chuck | The mysql tables in /var/lib/mysql/ are all together gone too |
| 01:53.46 | Xklark | usually something "not declared in scope" |
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| 01:54.09 | Arafangion | Hey, is there any alterntive for itunes on debian? |
| 01:54.21 | hyp4n01d | rhythmbox |
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| 01:54.30 | hyp4n01d | any idea how i can right click with a mac mouse? |
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| 01:55.09 | DukeDrake | hyp4n01d: hold the button for a few secs |
| 01:55.33 | hyp4n01d | ...not working |
| 01:55.38 | hyp4n01d | (Debian Etch) |
| 01:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, what does "echo $LANG" show? |
| 01:55.43 | DukeDrake | but that's how you do it. |
| 01:55.55 | hyp4n01d | yeah, on Mac OS. |
| 01:56.07 | Xklark | rock@rock:~/eggdrop1.6.18$ echo $LANG |
| 01:56.07 | Xklark | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:56.16 | chuck | Anyone know how to fix mysql-server... |
| 01:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyp4n01d, eh... don't have mac mice just one button? should be hard :) |
| 01:56.46 | hyp4n01d | hah.. i'm guessing there's a way to set up emulation where you hold a key and click at the same time |
| 01:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, try "export LANG=C", then compile.... just for the fun of it... |
| 01:57.26 | bubble | lol |
| 01:57.30 | bubble | pokes Xklark |
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| 01:57.39 | Xklark | hi bubble |
| 01:57.44 | bubble | howdy ^^ |
| 01:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pokes bubble... and the bubble bursts. |
| 01:57.53 | bubble | :X |
| 01:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 01:58.03 | punto | hi.. is debian more or less usable than ubuntu on 64bits? |
| 01:58.09 | Xklark | what do i look for CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:58.11 | chuck | help.. please :P |
| 01:58.16 | Xklark | all these mysql errors |
| 01:58.31 | Xklark | just a bunch of undeclared |
| 01:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, you look for if the errors go away? |
| 01:58.50 | Xklark | no tyhey dont |
| 01:58.51 | Xklark | lol |
| 01:58.52 | Xklark | error: 'dbc' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:58.55 | Xklark | is one of the errors |
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| 01:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but your "weird chars" are gone? |
| 01:59.07 | Xklark | yes |
| 01:59.28 | Xklark | im confused on why it wont compile though, i just downloaded the source :( |
| 01:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hah, see? :) |
| 02:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you want to compile mysql anyways... |
| 02:00.16 | Xklark | what did that do |
| 02:00.25 | Ian_Daniher | punto: define 'usable' |
| 02:00.35 | Xklark | CutMeOwnThroat, nvm that error was from something else- i fixed that |
| 02:00.36 | Ian_Daniher | punto: Debian is much more stable than Ubuntu |
| 02:00.43 | Xklark | how did that LANG=C thing fix it :O |
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| 02:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xklark, "/msg dpkg locales", also "man locale" |
| 02:03.24 | punto | Ian_Daniher: I don't want stable :) I tired of ubuntu because it doesn't have unstable repos |
| 02:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you had a mismatch between the locale in the file on disk and yours |
| 02:03.45 | Ian_Daniher | punto: oh, well it's easy to fix that |
| 02:03.45 | DukeDrake | Anyone got an idea why I get a "Security: Bad IP connecting." when connecting to ftp.debian.org ? |
| 02:03.50 | punto | Ian_Daniher: I mean if all the packages have 64bit versions, or is it a smaller distribution |
| 02:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | punto, experimental is your friend then :-P |
| 02:04.05 | Ian_Daniher | punto: just nano your /etc/apt/sources.lst or whatever it is |
| 02:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, yes, you're a well-known evil system-cracker... |
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| 02:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, but really - you should tell us *how* you tried to connect to ftp.debian.org - did you phone someone, did you try to send a fax? |
| 02:06.01 | punto | Ian_Daniher: are you talking about the sources.list on ubuntu? I don't think you can just switch to debian |
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| 02:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | punto, you can... if you love problems |
| 02:07.28 | Ian_Daniher | punto: then add ubuntu experimental |
| 02:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | punto, there are some howtows around for it... but you can expect it to break things |
| 02:07.51 | Arafangion | Is it possible to use iTunes in debian? (Specifically the media in iTunes) |
| 02:08.12 | Arafangion | (The <censored DRM'ed ones>) |
| 02:08.31 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: you have to remove the DRM |
| 02:08.32 | punto | Ian_Daniher: is ubuntu experimental like debian experimental? that's _too_ unstable for me I think :) |
| 02:08.37 | Ian_Daniher | not natively, no |
| 02:08.58 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: In other words, reencode it, being a criminal in the process? I suppose it's a lose-lose situation. |
| 02:09.00 | Ian_Daniher | punto: they're both experiminetal, past that... /me shrugs |
| 02:09.06 | DukeDrake | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried aptitude update |
| 02:09.26 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: Then again, I wonder what that recent law here says about "format shifting"... |
| 02:09.34 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: Fair Use |
| 02:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, with what sources.list |
| 02:09.45 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: It's a huge gray area |
| 02:09.47 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: I could claim ignorance. Australia has no concept of Fair Use. :( |
| 02:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, unfair use, then? |
| 02:10.08 | d-b | Arafangion: no but we have the right to bypass protection to ensure compatibility |
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| 02:10.17 | d-b | so do it ! |
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| 02:10.22 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Australia seems to try and follow america and the interests of big corporations, but hasn't got fair use to temper the inflexibility. |
| 02:10.33 | d-b | Arafangion: nar our laws ar pretty ok |
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| 02:10.52 | DukeDrake | CutMeOwnThroat: "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main" |
| 02:10.55 | Arafangion | d-b: Sounds good, if we break another two computers, that's the entire repo gone, due to having used up all 5 computer authorisations. |
| 02:11.12 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: http://xkcd.com/488/ |
| 02:11.14 | Arafangion | d-b: In general, yes, but it is irritating how slow they are to change.. |
| 02:11.21 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: I'm familiar with that strip. |
| 02:11.27 | Ian_Daniher | :D |
| 02:11.29 | endra | hey |
| 02:11.32 | _muke_ | is there a way for me to reverse migrate to 2.6.18? |
| 02:11.54 | endra | to allow my pptpd (vnc) server to let clients access the internet, I need to use iptables? |
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| 02:12.24 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: you do have to transcode your media |
| 02:12.34 | Ian_Daniher | or... use Wine to run itunes |
| 02:12.42 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: Works well in wine? |
| 02:12.47 | Arafangion | (Including ipod compatibility) |
| 02:13.36 | Ian_Daniher | no, likely not |
| 02:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, hmmm... normally one uses a country-specific mirror - try "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" |
| 02:13.36 | Ian_Daniher | as for ipod, look into gtkpod |
| 02:13.36 | Arafangion | Ian_Daniher: Banshee looks intruging. |
| 02:13.36 | Ian_Daniher | Arafangion: or banshee - gtkpod is just single-purpose though |
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| 02:15.31 | z- | Hey, when I do apt-get install [package], and that package happened to already be installed, apt-get will set it to 'manually installed'. How do I reverse that? |
| 02:15.33 | DukeDrake | CutMeOwnThroat: now I get "file or directory not found" |
| 02:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, progress! |
| 02:15.51 | DukeDrake | >.> |
| 02:16.09 | DukeDrake | not really I guess . |
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| 02:17.21 | mih | for some reason i got mdadm installed into my initramfs, how do i disable mdadm and assembling my arrays at boot, it tries to assemble all my scsi disks one by one.. lol.. (20 of them) :) |
| 02:17.26 | mih | ? |
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| 02:17.40 | DukeDrake | it's horrible >.< |
| 02:17.48 | mih | i tried raid=noautodetect |
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| 02:17.57 | mih | it still loads mdadm up |
| 02:18.03 | mih | and the disks dont even have raid partitions.. |
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| 02:28.32 | oOarthurOo | Looks like I removed something I shouldn't of... now when I boot I'm seeing lat0-sun font errors... not being able to be found. I think I removed console stuff... should I reinstall console tools or just try to change the default console font to something that is still installed? |
| 02:28.42 | thinline | what is the program that I can use to find the closest debian mirror? |
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| 02:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mih, I think you want /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 02:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, apt-spy |
| 02:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-spy |
| 02:47.04 | dpkg | hmm... apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 02:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it just crashed for me |
| 02:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | file a bug report on it if it also happens for you... I'm too lazy :-P |
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| 02:49.05 | LamerC | Hello. I've got debian 4 installed and got iptables set up what looks like a perfectly good setup. Most everything seems to work but I can 'ping' a windows computer by name (/etc/nsswitch is set up fine) |
| 02:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oO |
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| 02:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, so oOarthurOo is already gone :)... no patience in those guys from today |
| 02:50.08 | LamerC | I use scapy and it shows the packed sent out netbiosquery and the packet received but I think its getting blocked before it's being received |
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| 02:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | scapy? |
| 02:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | scp? |
| 02:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, no |
| 02:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | a new toy :) |
| 02:51.58 | LamerC | I've added 'iptables -A services-chains -p udp -s 192.168.1.0/24 -m udp --dport 137 -j ACCEPT' to recieved incommon 'connectoins' |
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| 02:53.00 | LamerC | And set it as 'iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -j services-chain', but before that I have an allow outbound ('iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT') |
| 02:53.24 | LamerC | and also inbound related ('iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT' |
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| 02:53.52 | LamerC | scapy is a small tool that can do some stuff and even sniff packets |
| 02:54.44 | LamerC | It shows the query sent and the reply received, but it seems like the reply is being blocked afterward. When I clear iptables rules it works |
| 02:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, looked it up |
| 02:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it can use gnuplot to plot the result |
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| 02:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | only... it complains that it can't because of a missing wrapper |
| 02:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | how could the reply be blocked afterwards? |
| 02:56.35 | LamerC | possible problem: query is sent to 192.168.1.255:137, but is is received from 192.168.1.XYZ:137, could the fact that the received address it not the sam block |
| 02:57.10 | LamerC | I don't know. I think maybe scapy/libpcap maybe install closer to hardware than iptables |
| 02:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | iptables rules are in the kernel |
| 02:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | how much closer can you get... |
| 02:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | scapy doesn't contain a kernel-module, does it? |
| 02:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | then that's impossible |
| 02:58.29 | LamerC | hmm, don't know then, but I know scapy is showing a reply but nmblookup/etc block it until iptables is disabled. |
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| 02:59.20 | LamerC | I think that packet capture libraries interface to the kernel but I don't know on what level. They work with the raw packets though and can even be used to forge fake packets |
| 02:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | does scapy switch the interface to promiscous mode? |
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| 03:00.37 | LamerC | I don't know for sure. I think it can |
| 03:00.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like it |
| 03:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 03:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least the one I just installed doesn't |
| 03:01.08 | LamerC | I like wireshark better but scapy launches faster |
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| 03:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there a tool with iptables to test firewall rules? |
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| 03:05.08 | LamerC | Probably, I don't know I just set it up this week |
| 03:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you shouldn't need a firewall on a Debian machine anyways - if you don't want people to connect to a service, don't run it |
| 03:06.01 | Guerin | right |
| 03:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think all services you need internally are configured to only answer on localhost |
| 03:06.16 | Guerin | the only purpose is to control traffic to and from certain machines |
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| 03:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how many services he's running that he doesn't need. |
| 03:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | 58 |
| 03:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 03:11.23 | izzyb | is there a netinstall cd for sid? |
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| 03:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installing testing |
| 03:13.15 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the same applies for sid... |
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| 03:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... the same page applies to sid, izzyb |
| 03:14.30 | mimcpher | I'm going to go ahead and say that if you can't find the information on installing sid, you shouldn't be. |
| 03:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it's a test |
| 03:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 03:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | netstat -an shows tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:46272 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 03:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but fuser 46272/tcp doesn't show any connected process - how can that be? |
| 03:18.03 | izzyb | chuckles. should have expected such a response mimcpher. I was in the other window talking to google so already found the info, but thanks anyway. nice to see the official link though. I'll have a peek at it too. thanks guys |
| 03:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the man who talks with google |
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| 03:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !giyf |
| 03:19.05 | dpkg | giyf is, like, Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 03:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | truly :) |
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| 03:22.22 | izzyb | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I knew as soon as I posted it I should have googled first. didn't take long to find the answer I was looking for. was confused at first when I could find an option for sid in the netinstall download page |
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| 03:22.51 | funky | 'lo |
| 03:22.53 | izzyb | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 03:23.06 | funky | is there any updated gnome repository ? |
| 03:23.12 | funky | I'd like to try .24 |
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| 03:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, I wasn't criticizing |
| 03:24.06 | LemensTS | i installed a package wit apt-get install packagename. Should i uninstall it with apt-get remove packagename |
| 03:24.17 | LemensTS | amazing this is the first package ive wanted to uninstall |
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| 03:24.23 | LamerC | Okay I got it. Since the reply is from a different address than the query (query is broadcast reply is from specify address) apparently -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED doesn't match |
| 03:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gnome |
| 03:25.02 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: gnome: 1:2.14.3.6 (etch) 1:2.22.2~5 (lenny) 1:2.22.2~5 (sid) |
| 03:25.03 | LamerC | I added to the services change '-A INPUT -p udp -s 192.168.1.0/24 -m udp --sport 137 -j ACCEPT' and it matches responses to the query |
| 03:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | LemensTS, yes - or apt-get --purge remove package if you want to remove the configuration files also |
| 03:26.14 | funky | CutMeOwnThroat: as you can see sid still has 2.22 |
| 03:26.21 | LemensTS | thanks i knew there was some other command to do that |
| 03:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | funky, yes, I saw that... so the answer is probably "no"... there's experimental as well, though |
| 03:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | funky, or you can make your own package, e.g. from the source package by replacing the source with the next version and adding a new line to changelog... |
| 03:27.24 | funky | ah, I'm take a look at packages.debian |
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| 03:30.21 | Winnipeger | Hi... I'm going through the bastille questionaire, and it's asking me if I want to disable suid for mount/unmount. Would this interfere with gnome automounting ipods and flashdrives and such (which I don't want to happen), or just disable a user using the mount/unmount command. |
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| 03:30.33 | Winnipeger | Do ya think... I think it's the former. |
| 03:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why are there some ports my machine is listening to, but fuser doesn't report a process that does the listening? Any other way I can check on them? |
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| 03:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Winnipeger, if you don't run gnome as root, where's the difference? |
| 03:32.22 | internat1 | howdy all.. in itunes on windows/osx you have the ability to stream music to what is essentially called remote speakers/apple tv.. Either an airport exress, or an apple tv type thing.. im wondering if anyone knows of anything for linux/debian that will make itunes think my linux box is a remote set of speakers |
| 03:33.05 | Winnipeger | Well, I don't know. I guess I'm not sure if gnome uses suid to mount stuff for the user, and disabling suid mount would make automounting break |
| 03:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | internat1, "apt-cache search itunes"? |
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| 03:38.17 | Golaff | The closest I know is if you share your itunes library from your mac/pc and then rhythmbox should automatically find it. it does for me. |
| 03:39.00 | Arafangion | Golaff: Would it be able to play the DRM'ed titles, though? |
| 03:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, "apt-cache search itunes" also applies to you, I guess... |
| 03:39.44 | Golaff | no. you would need to remove the drm junk. As far as I know, only itunes will play that. |
| 03:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, if you'd done it, you would have found e.g. "hymn" |
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| 03:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if your ipod thingy can play songs without DRM, un-drming them should be a good thing? |
| 03:41.06 | Golaff | hymn is used for removing the drm stuff. I think that's the old version and/or it uses qtfairplay or something like that to remove it. I looked at it a while back and thought it was too much trouble (I'm not big on music). |
| 03:42.05 | internat1 | im kinda wanting to do the oposite |
| 03:42.11 | Golaff | yeah, removing DRM is good. I think it's stupid in the first place. It's good for them because you have to use their players but bad for us because it limits our choices. |
| 03:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems it's still "the best there is" in the debian repository |
| 03:42.27 | internat1 | i want my windows or osx box to be playing the music and the linux box in the lounge room just be acting as a speaker |
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| 03:42.44 | internat1 | i know i could hack soemthing together with VLC or some other form of streaming software, im just trying to make it simple :) |
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| 03:42.59 | DogBoy | http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ |
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| 03:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | internat1, what about the mpeg4ip-utils package? |
| 03:43.15 | d-b | pulse audio much internat1 ? |
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| 03:43.23 | Golaff | you can download hymn from the creators site and compile it if needed just to make sure you have the latest version. When I tried it, I think I remember that debian didn't have the latest version. I was using testing. |
| 03:43.51 | internat1 | i dont know what pulse audio is.. |
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| 03:44.21 | mimcpher | Internat, pulse audio allows you to redirect audio from one machine to another |
| 03:44.45 | Internat | Fireflymediaserver is the oposite .. thats basicly presenting a itunes library to a computer.. |
| 03:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, g'night and toodeloo for now |
| 03:45.20 | Internat | i basicly want the ability to stream from any computer in the house with itunes, to the media box in the lounge room. |
| 03:45.29 | Golaff | pulse audio will likely replace alsa. It has some advantages such as being able to play multiple streams and easily redirecting your audio to alternate sources. |
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| 03:45.54 | Golaff | well, my answer was a little late. |
| 03:47.26 | Internat | http://www.junkheap.net/content/linux_itunes_airtunes <-- is someone wanting to do the same type of thing |
| 03:49.05 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:49.06 | ice799 | Hi - has anyone here tried installing debian etch in vmware? I have just done that installtion, but for some reason xorg refuses to start and complains that "no device detected" |
| 03:49.18 | DogBoy | you use closed source software and you get what you pay for Internat |
| 03:49.55 | Internat | well itunes is free, so im not paying for anything. im merely asking if anyone else has done it, or has any ideas |
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| 03:50.17 | DogBoy | it's free kind of |
| 03:50.22 | DogBoy | but not really was my point |
| 03:50.35 | Arafangion | Internat: Don't you have to authorise your computer, etc? |
| 03:50.49 | Internat | only if your buying music from the itunes store. |
| 03:51.22 | Arafangion | Internat: I see. |
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| 03:52.37 | ice799 | Internat: your osx box has "ports" which will let you install some ported bsd software |
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| 03:52.57 | ice799 | Internat: you should be able to install mpd on one box and then an mpd client on another box |
| 03:53.05 | ice799 | and then problem solved |
| 03:54.06 | Internat | not really. thats not going to make my linux media box in the lounge room, show up as a set of remote speakers in itunes. |
| 03:54.25 | d-b | Internat: ooo you can do that ? |
| 03:54.38 | Internat | thats what i WANT to do.. im trying to find out how |
| 03:54.53 | d-b | mmm well if you use mpd like ice799 said that will work. |
| 03:55.02 | d-b | itunes is just an extra. |
| 03:55.19 | d-b | which isn't supported in this channel. |
| 03:55.30 | Internat | which is fine. caus eim not asking for support for itunes. |
| 03:55.43 | DogBoy | of course you are |
| 03:55.48 | d-b | you are. |
| 03:55.54 | Internat | no. im asking if there is anything that emulates remote speakers in itunes. |
| 03:56.00 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 03:56.10 | Internat | thats like asking if there is something to emulate windows shares in linux |
| 03:56.28 | ice799 | Internat: well you need to do some research but I'm guessing itunes just shares the library |
| 03:56.32 | ice799 | via CIFS/SAMBA |
| 03:56.36 | d-b | what ? m...... try using amarok and a web interface |
| 03:56.55 | d-b | have amarok use your itunes music library and do it that way i guess. |
| 03:56.59 | Internat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAOP <-- it uses that actually. |
| 03:57.19 | Internat | *sigh* |
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| 03:57.39 | DogBoy | lol |
| 03:57.52 | DogBoy | "However, the key stored in the AirPort Express is not yet known, and 3rd party software that mimics an Airport Express is thus not possible." |
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| 03:58.26 | ice799 | http://raop-play.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 03:58.41 | Internat | yes it does say that. and we all know how accurate wikipedia is.. Im reading that at the moment ice, just found it |
| 03:58.51 | ice799 | what the fuck is an airport express ? |
| 03:58.53 | d-b | ice799: the date on that is 2005 i'm betting apple has changed their version / altered it |
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| 03:59.05 | Internat | although again thats the oposite |
| 03:59.08 | d-b | ice799: a overpriced wifi ap... |
| 03:59.18 | Internat | airport express is apples version of a wifi point.. but with a soundcard and usb port |
| 03:59.27 | Internat | i dont have an airport express. |
| 03:59.39 | DogBoy | so Internat you're hoping there is some secret world that irc will reveal to you |
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| 04:00.03 | d-b | "it just works" tm ^^ |
| 04:00.30 | Internat | not in the slighest. ive done some research, i couldnt find anything. i thought id ask in here if anyone else had tried anything simular. |
| 04:00.31 | d-b | Internat: have a go but i think you will find that using amarok / vlc / foo with a web interface will probably work . |
| 04:01.25 | Internat | more often then not, someone else has already tried to do it. or atleast asked about it. |
| 04:01.59 | ice799 | Yo -- anyone use etch in a VM ? |
| 04:02.07 | ice799 | I think the default etch installed a weird keyboard driver |
| 04:02.17 | Internat | vmware or uml/xen? |
| 04:02.22 | ice799 | vmware |
| 04:02.30 | ice799 | etch doesnt seem to like me pressing the ALT key |
| 04:02.37 | ice799 | so I probably need a different keyboard mapping |
| 04:03.43 | DogBoy | Internat, generally when that's the case you'll find that they have more than likely written about it on the web |
| 04:04.15 | ice799 | Hey -- can some one paste me their working Input section in their xorg.conf file ? |
| 04:04.25 | DogBoy | you'll even find irc logs in the web |
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| 04:06.20 | oOarthurOo | Ok, so I've ran the bastille script to harden my install, but it's a touch too hard, as I can't login with any user anymore via gdm. |
| 04:07.28 | Guerin | fail |
| 04:07.43 | oOarthurOo | I could revert the changes and go on as before, but I'd like to tweak the setting. Reading the secure debian manual hasn't brought anything to the front, other than maybe I need to allow tcp connections or some such... has anyone seeen this before, error messages at the gdm saying the system administrator has temporarily disabled access to this machine. |
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| 04:09.42 | Guerin | oOarthurOo: you're trying to log into GDM as root? |
| 04:09.59 | oOarthurOo | No, as a normal user. For fun I did try with root, but that's not allowed. |
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| 04:10.06 | Guerin | indeed. |
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| 04:11.35 | oOarthurOo | I'm just reading stuff online, and I wonder if I had bastille say: Always disallow TCP connections to X server and if that would break gdm |
| 04:14.08 | stoned | Internat, InterGnat ;) |
| 04:14.29 | Internat | oringal. |
| 04:14.32 | Internat | orignal* |
| 04:14.37 | mimcpher | oOarthurOo, that should be okay. |
| 04:14.44 | mimcpher | I don't think it would break GDM. |
| 04:15.00 | mimcpher | but it might. |
| 04:16.02 | oOarthurOo | Ok... the second suspicious thing I did was tell bastille to install scripts to tmp, meaning that users would no longer share a tmp directory, but - i presume - be assigned a jailed temp at login. |
| 04:16.28 | oOarthurOo | But I went back through bastille and answered no to that question, then reapplied the settings. And rebooted. And still no joy. |
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| 04:36.24 | oOarthurOo | reverted changes. All is fine with the world. Maybe I'll go through them one at a time. |
| 04:36.33 | oOarthurOo | Trial and error. |
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| 05:23.11 | SlackDeb | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 05:26.07 | LemensTS | quite tonite |
| 05:29.14 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if iTunes works with wine, and if so, with what versions of each? |
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| 05:30.15 | DogBoy | take a look at the app database at winehq.com |
| 05:30.24 | DogBoy | it works with crossover office for sure |
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| 05:34.18 | kingsley | DogBoy: Yes, I'm looking at winehq now. It says version 8 of iTunes has a 'silver" rating with version 1.1.6 of wine, but it can't syn with ipods. Do you happen to know if there's another way to copy songs to ipods than through iTunes? |
| 05:34.32 | kingsley | s/syn/sync/ |
| 05:34.57 | DogBoy | yea, I would never use itunes for that |
| 05:35.01 | DogBoy | use gtkpod |
| 05:35.03 | DogBoy | I do |
| 05:35.52 | DogBoy | in fact maybe look into running rockbox on your ipod and then you don't need an app other than a file manager |
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| 05:36.17 | mimcpher | rockbox doesn't run on any recent ipod, unfortunately. |
| 05:36.25 | mimcpher | There are many linux native apps that can sync to ipod |
| 05:36.52 | DogBoy | I think I would avoid buying something that didn't work with rockbox |
| 05:36.55 | DogBoy | personally |
| 05:37.07 | DogBoy | I kind of regret having an ipod too |
| 05:37.16 | kingsley | DogBoy: Thanks. If it were my iPod, I'd consider changing iPod software, but it's for my fourteen year old son, so I want to keep it simple, |
| 05:37.25 | mimcpher | I think iPods are well made, usable pieces of hardware. |
| 05:37.36 | mimcpher | You don't always have to swap out the software that comes on things. |
| 05:37.39 | LemensTS | have you used a zune |
| 05:37.42 | DogBoy | I don't disagree with that mimcpher |
| 05:37.51 | DogBoy | I don't like the closed nature of the device though |
| 05:37.52 | mimcpher | Though I suppose rockbox does have more features. |
| 05:37.54 | mimcpher | And ogg. |
| 05:38.08 | LemensTS | the zune software has some really nice features |
| 05:38.09 | DogBoy | and the hype |
| 05:38.29 | mimcpher | your microwave is a closed device too. |
| 05:38.34 | kingsley | DogBoy: is my understanding correct that gtkpod can sync with an iPod? |
| 05:38.39 | mimcpher | Are you angry you can't rewrite its firmware |
| 05:38.41 | DogBoy | yes |
| 05:38.45 | DogBoy | angry? |
| 05:39.11 | kingsley | DogBoy: Do you happen to know what the oldest version of iTunes is that Apple still supports? |
| 05:39.25 | DogBoy | I don't use itunes |
| 05:39.29 | kingsley | DogBoy: Ie: That still works with Apple's "store"? |
| 05:39.42 | kingsley | DogBoy: Oh. |
| 05:39.52 | Guerin | smart people don't |
| 05:40.00 | Guerin | even smart dogs! |
| 05:40.01 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 05:41.12 | DogBoy | you are correct mimcpher, I can not play ogg files on my microwave |
| 05:41.19 | mimcpher | Man |
| 05:41.25 | mimcpher | I want to play oggs on my microwave |
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| 05:50.00 | DogBoy | I wasn't necessarily referring to the firmware |
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| 07:53.18 | adrenaline | How do I find out which debian version I have installed? |
| 07:55.27 | mimcpher | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:55.42 | adrenaline | Thanks |
| 07:56.09 | adrenaline | It just says 4.0 |
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| 07:56.34 | adrenaline | I was looking for something like unstable or stable or etch sid something like that |
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| 07:57.16 | mimcpher | well just figure out what 4.0 is |
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| 07:57.29 | adrenaline | ok |
| 07:57.38 | mimcpher | 4.0 is etch which is stable. |
| 07:58.27 | adrenaline | cool thanks I just found that too |
| 07:58.37 | adrenaline | I did a minimal netinstall |
| 07:58.54 | adrenaline | didn't acutally say what I was installing or if it did I totally missed it |
| 07:59.25 | Mario___ | how much lenny 2 is stable? |
| 07:59.49 | zomboy | hi all, just redid my home/LAN router/gateway with debian etch, the external interface is dhcp, the internal one is static but i need it to be dhcp so all my internal clients + my xbox can connect. do i need a dhcp-client or server to make this happen? |
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| 08:01.37 | mimcpher | From what I think you're saying zomboy, you need a dhcp server. You want your box to give out IPs to the other machines? |
| 08:01.50 | zomboy | yes, but only on the internal interface |
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| 08:02.22 | mimcpher | Right. |
| 08:02.37 | mimcpher | When you install the server, you'll set which interface(s) it listens on. |
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| 08:03.26 | Wiz_KeeD | anyone know where i can get boost library prepacked for debian? |
| 08:03.30 | zomboy | ok, i get that, just the dhcpd from etch then? |
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| 08:04.58 | dw | hey there. how do i add "etch-backports" as a source? |
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| 08:09.00 | mimcpher | dw http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 08:09.08 | Saz|Laptop | how do i backport a 32 bit deb file from a x86_64 system |
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| 08:31.30 | GNUton | Hi there |
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| 08:35.48 | Wiz_KeeD | anyone know where i can get boost library prepacked for debian? |
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| 08:47.48 | Eulex | Wiz_KeeD, it's in the repositories. apt-get it. |
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| 08:49.24 | bolt | is dyndns.org down or something? |
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| 08:50.25 | `nstuff | works fine for me |
| 08:50.52 | bolt | what ip do you get for it? |
| 08:51.26 | `nstuff | 63.208.196.101 |
| 08:52.01 | bolt | hm.. i can ping that, but i can't go to the site |
| 08:52.34 | bolt | oh wait. not it replied |
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| 08:55.26 | Wiz_KeeD | Eulex, i've heard that the boost libs obtained with apt-get don't have the asio header |
| 08:55.31 | Wiz_KeeD | i need the asio |
| 08:55.34 | zomboy | hi, am i here? |
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| 08:57.36 | Eulex | Wiz_KeeD, are you running etch, lenny or sid? |
| 08:59.00 | Wiz_KeeD | huh? idk what you mean |
| 08:59.22 | Eulex | which version of debian are you running? |
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| 09:01.01 | simplechat | hey. quick question: where would i find the package for python's distutils? i see python-distutils-extra but thats not in stable. (and i'm running stable) |
| 09:01.38 | boggy` | apt-cache search it |
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| 09:04.13 | simplechat | ah, cool, forgot about that |
| 09:06.38 | simonrvn | i guess he isn't |
| 09:08.25 | stoned | man |
| 09:08.34 | stoned | good morning I guess |
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| 09:08.43 | stoned | I dunno why I woke up at 4am wtf |
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| 09:10.15 | `nstuff | get back to bed |
| 09:10.17 | `nstuff | ! |
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| 09:10.57 | ^shark_ | is there anyone who knows good software to install on my etch box to limit instant messaging from my lan |
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| 09:12.53 | stoned | ^shark_, just block the ports used by those programs |
| 09:13.16 | stoned | the port or server they connect to can be blocked by iptables |
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| 09:15.47 | ^shark_ | stoned: these IMs when they find that their port has been blocked they have the capacity to use another port |
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| 09:16.21 | stoned | im going back to bed |
| 09:16.22 | stoned | g'nie |
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| 09:26.54 | ArtVandalae | GNOME panels frozen, how can I launch gnome-terminal/execute/run dialog using keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 09:34.35 | krzd | hi |
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| 09:36.35 | krzd | i want now to install debian lenny beta 2 and i have to install the NIC driver manually (Realteak RTL8111). are the kernel versions right to install in this howto ( i don't think so): http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/installing-realtek-rtl8111/3906?s=8e400770303d7127d64c637d4772691e&s=5829dc6ea16916c67f87a2fc9a5c6cd6&p=8891 |
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| 09:40.41 | Wiz_KeeD | Eulex, how do i find what version of debian i am running? |
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| 09:43.55 | ham5 | Wiz_KeeD, with gnome you can look on the system tab in system monitor, or there is a file in etc that says |
| 09:44.47 | Eulex | !tell Wiz_KeeD about version |
| 09:44.59 | Wiz_KeeD | i am running putty to the debian box |
| 09:45.29 | Eulex | Wiz_KeeD, try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:45.40 | Wiz_KeeD | 4.0 |
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| 09:47.39 | liable | etch |
| 09:48.47 | Wiz_KeeD | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 09:50.05 | toxygen | hello |
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| 09:50.43 | toxygen | any idea why last mysql update messed things up? |
| 09:50.44 | toxygen | Nov 7 10:20:21 darken /etc/mysql/debian-start[16773]: ERROR 130 (HY000) at line 66: Incorrect file format 'tables_priv' |
| 09:50.55 | toxygen | is there a bug report for that? |
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| 10:06.24 | madsdyd | hi there. |
| 10:06.43 | madsdyd | Can I use dpkg or some other tool to let me know when packages was installed? |
| 10:07.02 | madsdyd | I need to figure out what packages I have installed within the last hour (lost power to the pc) |
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| 10:07.39 | liable | madsdyd: yep, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:07.47 | madsdyd | liable: thanks! |
| 10:07.51 | liable | yw |
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| 10:10.52 | Nathan-willems | Do we know if debian supports the nvidia 8600 GT graphics card OTB |
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| 10:11.38 | mats__ | my compiz doesn't run. how can i install aiglx? |
| 10:12.21 | Nathan-willems | maby sudo apt-get install aiglx |
| 10:12.26 | Nathan-willems | Enless its not in the reops |
| 10:12.28 | Nathan-willems | repos |
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| 10:13.00 | Nathan-willems | Do you know if Nvidia 8600 GT works on debian out the box? |
| 10:14.06 | mats__ | @ Nathan-willems: E: can't find aiglx |
| 10:14.09 | Eulex | Nathan-willems, from a pure etch installation you will be able to get unaccelerated 2d and 3d, at least. but the nvidia driver in it is too old to work with it, so you'd have to use the vesa driver. |
| 10:14.09 | mats__ | what is a repos |
| 10:14.15 | up365 | mats__, have you been to #compiz-fusion, they know aiglx + compiz |
| 10:14.35 | Eulex | mats__, aiglx is included with your xorg server |
| 10:14.53 | Nathan-willems | How would i install vesa? |
| 10:14.59 | mats__ | no i wasn't there ... but i try |
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| 10:15.28 | up365 | mats__, they have experience with that |
| 10:15.47 | Nathan-willems | Is etch the latest debian? |
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| 10:16.20 | Eulex | Nathan-willems, etch is the latest released stable version of debian. |
| 10:16.21 | up365 | Nathan-willems, it's the stable debian |
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| 10:16.33 | Eulex | Nathan-willems, the vesa video driver is included. |
| 10:17.02 | Nathan-willems | ok |
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| 10:17.16 | Nathan-willems | Does the 600 meg one have vesa? |
| 10:17.37 | Nathan-willems | Oh wait |
| 10:17.41 | Nathan-willems | Its not like ubuntu |
| 10:17.45 | Nathan-willems | Its like 3 disks |
| 10:18.19 | Nathan-willems | Do i need all 3 or just one? |
| 10:18.27 | foo | Hm, anyone in here interested in writing articles for pay? Looking for these categories: Linux servers, Linux on the Desktop, Multimedia and Linux, Linux Applications, Distro Reviews, Linux Security, Linux Programming, Misc Linux Articles, and Linux Installation articles. Not sure how to go about finding the right people, but I assist with a forum who is lookin' for some articles. Nothing demanding... feel free to PM me for more info. Thanks! |
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| 10:19.08 | mats__ | up365__, at #compiz-fusion no one talks to me ... |
| 10:23.09 | mats__ | how can i change my system language to english |
| 10:23.11 | mats__ | ? |
| 10:23.20 | up365 | mats__, I saw what you typed at #compiz-fusion, you need to clearly state the problem not just "my compiz doesn't work" |
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| 10:26.33 | jimcooncat | Hardy netbooting driving me crazy, DHCP works fine for starting the installation, but when it runs the second time, it times out -- most of the time. Does this sound familiar to anyone? |
| 10:27.06 | liable | jimcooncat: you want #ubuntu |
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| 10:27.59 | jimcooncat | liable: yes, but they don't know d-i like you guys do. sorry if it is a ubuntu only problem |
| 10:28.11 | HNT | Hi, I'v got a question : Is the network-manager present in Lenny able to manage 3G connection ? (I'm using KNetworkManager) |
| 10:29.58 | liable | jimcooncat: may be ubuntu specific. i did a netboot install 'bout a month back and it didnt happen |
| 10:30.23 | liable | jimcooncat: problem is, we dont know what ubuntu does for their d-i |
| 10:30.51 | liable | jimcooncat: is the a ubuntu-boot like there is for debian-boot? they are the ones you should ask |
| 10:30.58 | liable | or their mailing list |
| 10:31.06 | _AleX_ | hi all! I've just find this excellent free software, The Multi-Pointer X Server : http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=mpx . Is MPX available on Debian ? |
| 10:31.12 | jimcooncat | liable: that's fair. thanks |
| 10:32.10 | liable | jimcooncat: gl |
| 10:32.22 | jimcooncat | o |
| 10:32.36 | jimcooncat | i'll need it. probably should try replacing the cables |
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| 10:33.41 | liable | i wouldnt look at cables. i would look at your tft server |
| 10:33.53 | mats__ | up365, now i wrote an other text ... |
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| 10:35.09 | prh | anyone know of kvm-source packages for kvm 76 or 78 kicking about? (kvm 72 dont seem to like 2.6.26 :O( |
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| 10:42.39 | gener1c | hey |
| 10:42.49 | gener1c | how do i make special math chars visible on OOo? |
| 10:43.05 | gener1c | i have downloaded tons of fonts |
| 10:43.09 | gener1c | and i cant manage to make it work |
| 10:45.58 | joneal | hi |
| 10:46.31 | gener1c | ah wait |
| 10:46.40 | gener1c | whats the open office chan |
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| 10:50.24 | _AleX_ | MPX allows multiple mouse cursors and multiple keyboards on the same computer (screenshots, videos : http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=screenshots) and i want to install it on a Debian stable (and apparently MPX works on ubuntu) ... what is the solution ? |
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| 10:54.18 | cast|lir | hey guys, i have a debiancd iso, but no cds, can i burn that iso to a dvd and have it still work? |
| 10:54.24 | AussieGuy | I have a certain number... 3UXJINW6U57KWZVCJ7M62HSSFPJJXZ5Z .... how do I find out if its hexadeciml, octal, or whatever? |
| 10:55.09 | cast|lir | its not hex or octal |
| 10:55.21 | AussieGuy | id like to find out what it is |
| 10:55.22 | _AleX_ | AussieGuy: try the "od" command |
| 10:55.52 | cast|lir | make an estimate of the number of characters in the charater set it uses are, itll be base that number |
| 10:56.13 | cast|lir | s/ are// |
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| 10:57.26 | AussieGuy | well I can see a Z...so 25 + 10 would be 35 |
| 10:57.43 | gener1c | there is no Z in hex |
| 10:58.10 | gener1c | Hex letters end in F |
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| 10:58.22 | _AleX_ | AussieGuy: and the "hexdump" command |
| 10:58.34 | cast|lir | wouldn't there be 26 leters in the alphabet |
| 10:58.52 | cast|lir | is using someone elses crusty kb :< |
| 10:59.24 | AussieGuy | oh yes....26 |
| 10:59.41 | AussieGuy | I might try to find out how many digits it has as well, if it has the full 0-9 |
| 11:00.13 | gener1c | it looks kinda like unicode |
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| 11:01.37 | mquin | AussieGuy: where did that string come from? |
| 11:02.03 | AussieGuy | gtk-gnutella, giving the sha1 of a file |
| 11:03.14 | jelly-home | AussieGuy: so, it's a checksum encoded in base64 or similar encoding that uses both numbers and letters |
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| 11:06.15 | jelly-home | AussieGuy: if it's base64, "echo 3UXJINW6U57KWZVCJ7M62HSSFPJJXZ5Z|base64 -d" would give you raw bits. Remeber to pipe that into a file or something like hexdump -C |
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| 11:07.01 | AussieGuy | I had an idea then that I might look into the gnutella protocol, it might give me an idea of what gnutella uses for sha-1's |
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| 11:16.41 | Wiz_KeeD | where can i get prepacked version of asio.boost for debian? |
| 11:16.44 | cast|lir | just so i've got it straight....goodbye-microsoft.com will not remove this existing windows install will it |
| 11:16.47 | Wiz_KeeD | or how do i get apt-get or whatever to install boost library with asio on debian? |
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| 11:18.28 | mquin | AussieGuy: http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/doxygen/lib_2misc_8c.html suggests that gtk-gnutella uses base32 for displaying sha1 checksums |
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| 11:19.26 | AussieGuy | thanks for that |
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| 11:20.11 | Wiz_KeeD | anyone ever installed boost library with asio on debian? |
| 11:20.30 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: apt-cache search boost asio |
| 11:20.33 | _AleX_ | MPX allows multiple mouse cursors and multiple keyboards on the same computer (screenshots, videos : http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=screenshots) and i want to install it on my Debian stable ... what is the solution ? |
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| 11:20.55 | Wiz_KeeD | no output came themill |
| 11:21.00 | Wiz_KeeD | and it returned me to my prompt |
| 11:21.13 | themill | judd: versions libasio-dev |
| 11:21.14 | judd | themill: libasio-dev: 1.1.1-1 (lenny) 1.3.0-1 (sid) |
| 11:21.23 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: ahh... lenny/sid only, I'm afraid |
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| 11:21.38 | Wiz_KeeD | so what are my options... |
| 11:21.46 | Wiz_KeeD | i just want that damn library with asio in it |
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| 11:22.43 | themill | Wiz_KeeD: it might be possible to backport it (/msg dpkg ssb). Otherwise you could create a chroot to work in (/msg dpkg debootstrap) or upgrade to lenny (/msg dpkg etch->lenny). |
| 11:22.43 | _AleX_ | ... dual screens with dual mouses and keyboards will just be excellent |
| 11:22.59 | vizzy | hi, i use debian etch 4 with a latest update. can i restart udev safely while im in X? i have trouble connecting a cardreader which worked last evening, but now it wont detect the cf card. |
| 11:23.31 | _AleX_ | if anyone can help me to install MPX on etch ... |
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| 11:23.40 | Wiz_KeeD | i can't make that major changes i am not the system administrator and he would be pissed if i'd do something like that...furthermore i am a n00b at *nix so i can't afford to many actions or mistakes for that matter |
| 11:23.54 | richard_ | hey |
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| 11:24.19 | richard_ | how do i change /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 to disable log rotating for apache2? |
| 11:24.40 | Wiz_KeeD | i think logging is disabled from within http.conf file |
| 11:24.41 | vizzy | vi, joe, nano, mcedit |
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| 11:24.46 | Wiz_KeeD | and alsolevels of logging are set from there afaik |
| 11:25.06 | richard_ | Wlz_KeeD: was that directed at me? |
| 11:25.14 | vizzy | richard_, yes |
| 11:25.23 | vizzy | logging is disabled in httpd.conf |
| 11:25.24 | richard_ | i've set up a custom logging setup |
| 11:25.32 | vizzy | rotatelogs is just for rotate logs :) |
| 11:25.38 | richard_ | and writtten some scripts to parse them |
| 11:25.44 | richard_ | and i don't want logrotate interfering |
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| 11:26.14 | vizzy | so..... do it :) add # in fron of each line, or move the file |
| 11:26.24 | richard_ | i want to know how to tell logrotate to not touch /var/log/apache2 |
| 11:26.25 | richard_ | hmm |
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| 11:26.31 | richard_ | that might be the way to do it |
| 11:26.32 | vizzy | or do rotating for othe rlogs, but save your custom log in another directory |
| 11:26.37 | richard_ | yeah |
| 11:26.38 | richard_ | ok |
| 11:26.46 | richard_ | that sounds easier than reconfiguring logrotate |
| 11:26.47 | richard_ | thanks |
| 11:27.16 | michlemken | how dangerous is using sid? |
| 11:27.38 | themill | !iyhtays |
| 11:27.39 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 11:28.28 | vizzy | can i restart udev safely while im in X/KDE? |
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| 11:28.53 | jelly-home | michlemken: it usually doesn't eat the house pet. Usually. |
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| 11:29.04 | themill | vizzy: IME you can safely restart it, but KDE will probably stop responding to plug events. |
| 11:29.19 | richard_ | michlemken: i'm running it on our subversion server without problems |
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| 11:29.54 | vizzy | themill, ok, ill try, kde at the moment does not repond to any action at my usb devices, ... :) i want my computer to rescan the busses etc and get rid of old udev virtual rules and all that things |
| 11:30.00 | vizzy | instead of reboot :) |
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| 11:30.54 | michlemken | thanks |
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| 11:31.24 | niere | hi |
| 11:31.31 | vizzy | hmmm, restarting doesnt help a lot, so... udev always makes me rebooting .... argh. is it windows? |
| 11:32.03 | zrin | hi, I just installed a new lenny system, but xserver-xorg did not offer to, nor did auto-detect any hardware (video, mouse, ...) besides keyboard. Adding Driver "vesa" got me a picture, but the rest is still unconfigured |
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| 11:32.45 | zrin | is there a way to start and debug auto-detection? |
| 11:33.11 | niere | is it possible to find out which packages from a certain source (in sources.list) (or a certain distribution, that is) are installed? |
| 11:33.26 | zrin | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg just asks about keyboard and generatex a xorg.conf without a video driver |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | that's all it does in lenny now |
| 11:34.37 | zrin | abrotman: is there anything that might me help create a working xorg.conf? |
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| 11:34.58 | abrotman | zrin: X -configure |
| 11:35.05 | zrin | abrotman: thank you |
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| 11:52.21 | Parrot | how do i compile web |
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| 11:53.03 | Arafangion | Parrot: What kind of question is that? |
| 11:53.35 | Parrot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.53 | unixSnob | Citibank just updated their website. It no longer works with the debian / ice weasel / gnash set of tools |
| 11:55.04 | Parrot | asel / gnash set of tools |
| 11:55.18 | unixSnob | I just complained to citibank - and I suggest any other citibank card holders do the same |
| 11:55.40 | Parrot | I just complained to citibank - and I suggest any other citibank card holders do the same |
| 11:55.49 | abrotman | wonders if he should let the bot continue |
| 11:56.00 | abrotman | ohh :( |
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| 11:56.09 | abrotman | HI |
| 11:56.11 | Arafangion | unixSnob: I would love to, but I'm deaf, you wouldn't believe the contortions I have to undergo just to active a new card. |
| 11:56.30 | Arafangion | unixSnob: I plan switch, so got that covered. |
| 11:56.34 | Parrot | HI |
| 11:56.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: It was a bot? |
| 11:56.58 | unixSnob | Arafangion: i was able to complain via the web interface -- from a windows/explorer/flash environment |
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| 11:57.32 | Arafangion | unixSnob: Wouldn't it be more effective to complain via whatever it is you're doing to cancel the account? |
| 11:57.41 | abrotman | Arafangion: apparently not |
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| 11:58.45 | unixSnob | Arafangion: i let someone rack up a large debt on my citibank card, so I'm trapped with it |
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| 11:59.17 | abrotman | unixSnob: #debian-offtopic |
| 11:59.32 | unixSnob | abrotman: yeah, it's starting to get that way |
| 11:59.40 | abrotman | starting? |
| 11:59.41 | Arafangion | unixSnob: "starting"? ;) |
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| 12:00.00 | unixSnob | unless debian has nothing to do with my debian environment |
| 12:00.16 | unixSnob | ice weasel is debian specific, no? |
| 12:00.25 | abrotman | your citibank card? |
| 12:00.42 | unixSnob | well, debian of course has to interact with the outside world |
| 12:01.08 | unixSnob | it has a tcp ip stack after all |
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| 12:02.32 | stoned | good morning |
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| 12:09.03 | LinuS | hello, my apt-get is working (it did install mdadm), but it can't find "ntfs-3g", which should be avalaible |
| 12:09.29 | LinuS | it says E. can't find ntfs-3g |
| 12:09.47 | abrotman | LinuS: in etch? |
| 12:09.58 | LinuS | uhm? what do you mean? |
| 12:10.06 | abrotman | LinuS: uname -r .. what is your kernel ? |
| 12:10.19 | LinuS | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 12:10.28 | abrotman | !tell LinuS about bpo |
| 12:10.37 | abrotman | LinuS: ntfs-3g is only available as a backport in etch |
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| 12:11.06 | LinuS | oh i see, it isbecause there is another read/write ntfs support? |
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| 12:11.10 | LinuS | is it* |
| 12:11.37 | LinuS | or should i use ntfs-3g? |
| 12:11.52 | abrotman | you should use ntfs-3g |
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| 12:15.14 | LinuS | hmm |
| 12:15.25 | LinuS | it tells me it needs libfuse => 2.6 |
| 12:15.45 | LinuS | but when i try to apt-get install libfuse i can only get 2.5.3-4.4 |
| 12:16.16 | abrotman | LinuS: IIRC the errors are bogus |
| 12:16.22 | abrotman | !ntfs-3g |
| 12:16.22 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 12:17.03 | LinuS | should i then force apt-get to install ntfs-3g? |
| 12:17.33 | Arafangion | LinuS: Never force unless you know _exactly_ what the result will be. |
| 12:17.41 | abrotman | LinuS: show us your sources.list |
| 12:17.43 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:17.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 12:18.17 | LinuS | well i've added this line: |
| 12:18.19 | LinuS | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:18.33 | abrotman | that should be fine |
| 12:18.36 | Mr_Bunny_ | Is there any way I can move user passwords from an old machine to a new one? |
| 12:18.51 | abrotman | LinuS: and if you `aptitude update && aptitude install ntfs-3g` ? |
| 12:19.00 | Mr_Bunny_ | I mean system passwords, I have apache passwords fine. |
| 12:19.34 | Arafangion | Mr_Bunny_: Copy the shadow file, that should do it, haven't tested it though. |
| 12:19.36 | abrotman | Mr_Bunny_: copy the shadow lines you need |
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| 12:20.00 | abrotman | Mr_Bunny_: if the systems use a different method of encrypting passwords, it won't work though |
| 12:20.04 | Mr_Bunny_ | /etc/shadow? |
| 12:20.12 | LinuS | i did aptitude update before; aptitude install ntfs-3g asks me to update libfuse2 with a -70 score |
| 12:20.20 | Mr_Bunny_ | how can I tell what schemes the machines use? they're both debian etch. |
| 12:20.41 | LinuS | and install fuse-utils aswell |
| 12:20.55 | abrotman | Mr_Bunny_: then it shouldn't be an issue |
| 12:21.02 | abrotman | LinuS: sounds like you have to do it |
| 12:21.05 | Mr_Bunny_ | okay, thanks |
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| 12:21.39 | LinuS | it asked me if i was sure 4times, then i've did it :P |
| 12:22.02 | LinuS | with no further errors |
| 12:23.09 | LinuS | thank you.oh, and another question just to be sure.. the disk is "raw" at the moment, if i want to format it ntfs i have to run cfdisk, create a partition and set type 87/ntfs volume set |
| 12:23.12 | LinuS | is this right? |
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| 12:23.56 | Mr_Bunny_ | I've copied the lines from /etc/shadow, do I need to first create the users, then copy the lines, or reboot? the users don't exist |
| 12:25.20 | abrotman | LinuS: you would still need to formwat it |
| 12:25.26 | abrotman | Mr_Bunny_: sounds reasonable |
| 12:25.50 | LinuS | abrotman: oh, how do you do? |
| 12:25.52 | LinuS | it* |
| 12:26.28 | LinuS | if i google for formatting a disk it tells me to fdisk the device |
| 12:26.45 | LinuS | i guess i am missing something |
| 12:26.58 | abrotman | LinuS: i guess see if there is a mkfs.ntfs |
| 12:28.12 | liable | hugs his wok |
| 12:28.24 | LinuS | both mkfs.ntfs and mkntfs arent found, guess i should apt-get install one of them |
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| 12:28.57 | Mr_Bunny_ | >.< this is why moving user files should be automated - there are loads of song files |
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| 12:30.03 | phanter | hi there |
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| 12:30.32 | endra | hey |
| 12:30.47 | endra | I installed package ipmasq on my dedicated machine and the connection died as soon as it set it up |
| 12:30.53 | endra | I'm sad :( What can I do |
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| 12:31.31 | phanter | I really need some help. I need to install debian from usb. I manage to put the install cd on the usb disk and boot it, but _every_ time it fails because it "cannot find the cd-rom drive". Is it possible to install if this way and how? |
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| 12:33.52 | Mr_Bunny_ | whoops, broke my password :X |
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| 12:34.41 | Mr_Bunny_ | nvm |
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| 12:36.11 | LinuS | hm, i succedeed in running mkntfs /dev/md0 but it says "initializing device with zeroes"..does it mean it is writing zeros on my 1000gb hd and i should go have a coffee?:D |
| 12:36.23 | LinuS | oh.. and 0% since a couple of minutes |
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| 12:37.44 | vindex | hi, when I want to rebuild a kernel with make-kpgk (to change a config option) it exits with 'is up to date'. How can I avoid make'ing clean ? |
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| 12:37.59 | vindex | it used to work that way |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | LinuS: that's 1TB ? |
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| 12:41.03 | mhymn | LinuS: i guess you need to install 'ntfsprogs' not 'ntfs-3g' |
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| 12:41.19 | simond | when building a cdbs style package, how would you disable the dh_strip automatically included from rules/debhelper.mk? |
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| 12:42.58 | Welshman | is the boinc program being looked after with Debian? |
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| 12:43.06 | Welshman | updated etc |
| 12:43.26 | Welshman | seems an old version |
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| 12:47.05 | patrikf | LinuS: read the manpage... you could do mkntfs --fast [...] |
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| 12:48.46 | enouf | Linus`: mkreiserfs is fast as all heck - use that instead |
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| 12:51.26 | stoned | enouf, mornin |
| 12:51.47 | abrotman | enouf: maybe he wants ntfs for a reason? |
| 12:52.55 | enouf | abrotman: i doubt it |
| 12:53.05 | enouf | stoned: morning kiddo |
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| 12:54.36 | endra | whooo, my dedicated server provider responded to my ticket / fixed the problem in 90 seconds |
| 12:54.45 | Mr_Bunny_ | amazing. |
| 12:55.00 | endra | Yes, yes it is |
| 12:55.25 | Cloudcloudcloud | endra, what company? |
| 12:55.28 | Cloudcloudcloud | that's amazing |
| 12:55.30 | endra | limestone networks |
| 12:55.37 | Cloudcloudcloud | limestone? heh heh heh |
| 12:55.42 | Cloudcloudcloud | are they weak to acids? |
| 12:55.44 | Mr_Bunny_ | Could I release my SSH key so that users can confirm they're connecting to the right machine without opening up my encryption for the world to see? |
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| 12:55.55 | endra | heh heh heh |
| 12:56.02 | Mr_Bunny_ | yeah that's what I thought |
| 12:56.13 | Mr_Bunny_ | just figured I'd better check |
| 12:56.34 | endra | um, sure why not |
| 12:56.36 | endra | it's a public key.. |
| 12:56.39 | Mr_Bunny_ | oh |
| 12:56.41 | Mr_Bunny_ | kay then |
| 12:56.46 | endra | You mean the fingerprint right? |
| 12:56.50 | Mr_Bunny_ | I don't really understand encryption |
| 12:56.50 | Mr_Bunny_ | yes |
| 12:56.51 | endra | ~/.ssh/known_hosts or something |
| 12:57.03 | Mr_Bunny_ | like the thing that it asks you to add when you connect to a box for the first time |
| 12:57.05 | Mr_Bunny_ | yeah |
| 12:57.09 | endra | That's just a machine fingerprint, should be fine to give it out |
| 12:57.12 | Mr_Bunny_ | okay, thanks |
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| 12:58.06 | endra | actually I think it's a randomly generated key, but anyways.. should be fine |
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| 12:58.44 | neoice | mr_bunny_: I'd really recommend reading the wiki page on "public-private key cryptography". very informative :D |
| 12:58.52 | Mr_Bunny_ | okay, thanks |
| 12:59.03 | Mr_Bunny_ | endra: wikipedia is saying it's a hash |
| 12:59.17 | Mr_Bunny_ | the fingerprint I mean |
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| 12:59.48 | endra | ya, stay away from drugs |
| 12:59.59 | neoice | ha |
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| 13:01.10 | endra | .. also encryption is simple.. every user has a public and private key. you give out your public key to the other user so that he can use it to encrypt the message he wants to send you.. that encrypted message can only be decrypted using your private key and nothing else.. so this is why you never give out your private key, and only give out your public key because they need to encrypt, and you need to decrypt |
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| 13:01.36 | endra | That covers security.. but then there is an authentication problem and I believe the way it works is by having a third party verify (authenticate) both public keys |
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| 13:01.59 | Mr_Bunny_ | kay |
| 13:02.02 | aguitel | where i can get debian live cd to try for the first time? |
| 13:02.10 | Mr_Bunny_ | the wiki page says manual comparing can be used |
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| 13:02.15 | Mr_Bunny_ | so I guess I'll release the key |
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| 13:02.29 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 13:02.30 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:02.33 | Mr_Bunny_ | my users are such that they'll just connect to a machine with a different key though >.< |
| 13:02.50 | endra | Mr_Bunny_: what's with the paranoia? |
| 13:03.21 | neoice | they just need to accept it once |
| 13:03.32 | neoice | and then if it changes, they SHOULD be worried |
| 13:03.42 | neoice | does Debian default to fail if the key changed? |
| 13:03.45 | Mr_Bunny_ | yeah |
| 13:03.49 | endra | yes, it does |
| 13:03.58 | neoice | with the big nasty warning? |
| 13:04.00 | endra | it forces you to remove the old key from ~/.ssh/known_host |
| 13:04.04 | neoice | yep :D |
| 13:04.06 | neoice | <3 |
| 13:04.42 | endra | So.. anyone here have any experience with setting up a vpn server (pptp): |
| 13:04.45 | endra | ?* |
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| 13:07.53 | Subdino | hi. I have an old Creative MuVo (mp3 usb key) 128MB. When I plug it on my debian sid, I get a "Buffer I/O error on device sde, logical block 256000" (2.6.26-1-amd64). It used to work - but I can't recall on which kernel version, it's been some years since I used it. |
| 13:08.20 | Subdino | maybe I should report this on kernel channel... |
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| 13:15.48 | jgb | Can I download from ftp and make debmirror only download updated files? I don't have the option of using rsync. |
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| 13:17.03 | RoyK | hi. why are packages like sysstat disabled by default? i mean - if I install the package, there's a reason to it ... |
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| 13:18.16 | asg | RoyK: search the list archives, that topic has been beaten to death over the years |
| 13:18.56 | Winnipeger | Morning... I'm trying to setup sshguard from the Lenny repos, but the man page tells me I need to integrate it with syslog and the location is provides for itself, /usr/local/sbin/sshguard, it empty. |
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| 13:20.17 | RoyK | asg: k |
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| 13:21.46 | Winnipeger | When i search for it using locate I find it at /usr/sbin/sshguard ... I'm just a bit concerned whether it's going to function properly. Should I create a symlink to the location in the manpage just to be on the safe side? |
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| 13:23.01 | Winnipeger | Nevermind... I see there is a method to test by attempting to login via ssh then checking the host system to see if shhguard is running |
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| 13:23.33 | neoice | have you done an 'updatedb' ? |
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| 13:24.11 | jgb | did my debmirror question come through? |
| 13:24.23 | logd | hi there's a way to uninstall vmware on debian '?? |
| 13:24.34 | asg | how did you installit? |
| 13:24.49 | logd | via the rpm pack |
| 13:25.14 | asg | did you convert it to a deb first with alien? |
| 13:25.30 | logd | no |
| 13:25.37 | asg | then man rpm |
| 13:25.49 | logd | yep but rpm requires me to find the original |
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| 13:25.54 | logd | pack in order to reverse |
| 13:26.36 | asg | then you'll have to remove the files it installed by hand, after you find them of course |
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| 13:26.53 | neoice | which is the point of using debs |
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| 13:34.26 | Welshman | !boinc |
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| 13:35.08 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to snap fingers :< |
| 13:35.11 | sp00n | Hi, can someone help me resolve my dependencies issue for Wicd? |
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| 13:37.01 | Welshman | doubt it |
| 13:38.17 | abrotman | Welshman: which version of debian? |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | sp00n: we need more info .. put it in a pastebin |
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| 13:39.11 | Welshman | etch 4.0 |
| 13:39.19 | Welshman | my server |
| 13:39.39 | sp00n | abrotman: what information do you need? I have not used Debian before |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | Welshman: the version of boinc won't change in etch |
| 13:39.47 | Welshman | just want to update but not mess it up |
| 13:39.58 | Welshman | why though? |
| 13:40.01 | abrotman | sp00n: the command and the output .. use paste.debian.net |
| 13:40.06 | abrotman | !tell Welshman about meaning of stable |
| 13:40.23 | Welshman | ah, ok |
| 13:40.46 | Welshman | but could I do it via apt-get if I want to take the risk |
| 13:40.54 | Welshman | just add a source I guess |
| 13:40.57 | asg | Welshman: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 13:41.09 | Welshman | ok |
| 13:41.23 | Welshman | dont want to mess with backports really |
| 13:41.43 | sp00n | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/20953 |
| 13:42.06 | abrotman | i thought you said it was a dependency problem |
| 13:42.15 | sp00n | abrotman: I am aware that others have had this issue but it seems to be somewhat uncommon and I can't find an answer |
| 13:42.20 | sp00n | abrotman: I believe it is a dependency problem |
| 13:42.25 | asg | Welshman: better than having a bastard hybrid etch/lenny system if you have to have an updated package |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | sp00n: wicd is not in debian ? |
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| 13:42.55 | Welshman | yes it is stale and at the same time a great advantage |
| 13:42.57 | Welshman | thanks |
| 13:43.02 | sp00n | abrotman: Wicd is not native to debian, no, but it works on debian. I belive this error occurs because of unmet dependencies or incorrect versions of them |
| 13:43.14 | Welshman | my server is rock solid thanks to that policy :) |
| 13:43.20 | sp00n | abrotman: I mean, it's not normally in the repos |
| 13:43.27 | abrotman | sp00n: it's telling you that you're missing a file .. if the package isn't in debian, i can't tell you where to get that file |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 13:43.32 | judd | abrotman: wicd: 1.5.2-1 (sid) |
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| 13:44.37 | CoolCold | hello |
| 13:44.46 | Welshman | hi |
| 13:45.30 | CoolCold | does PAE make significant speed influence when enabled? |
| 13:45.47 | sp00n | abrotman: I am somewhat hazy on the details. installing wicd gave a different error message before. I edited $PYTHONPATH as per a guide I found but it only changed the error message to what you saw |
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| 13:46.51 | clev | if i'm using dpkg --root xyz, is it safe to remove 'essential' packages like dpkg itself? |
| 13:48.49 | sp00n | This page http://wicd.net/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=89 describes what happened to me. I followed the steps and it did not help |
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| 14:01.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | hmm... qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
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| 14:02.57 | Winnipeger | I did something strange to my system. Probably while messing around with Bastille the other day, or maybe while messing around with ssh. Anyway, I can't get into grub anymore because it flies right by it. I've increased the delay to 10 seconds but it just skips right over it. This created problems when I messed up my fstab trying to implement user quotas and then needed to use a live cd to edit it, since I couldn't get into grub |
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| 14:04.02 | Winnipeger | maybe the panic=0 setting on my kopt line? |
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| 14:06.05 | piko | Hi, I have strange problem with konqueror - it refuses me to show (You don't have permission to access / on this server.) some pages that firefox and opera accept. Could anyone help? I use unstable. |
| 14:06.09 | Winnipeger | wait... hold that. I didn't issue update-grub because I made the change from the live cd. |
| 14:06.13 | Winnipeger | That's probably the reason |
| 14:06.13 | piko | Proxy is off |
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| 14:14.32 | reber | hi all. I got a sound problem. How to enable oss compatibility over alsa, and make aoss work ? |
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| 14:14.33 | reber | short : alsaplayer works fine, aoss doesn't. |
| 14:14.33 | liable | modprone snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:14.33 | liable | modprobe* |
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| 14:18.20 | reber | liable, my bad. Didn't checked that. Thanks ! |
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| 14:19.31 | liable | reber: yw |
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| 14:21.07 | piko | Ok, I see the error |
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| 14:23.38 | Neaai | If anyone is familiar with infobot, for some reason it takes ignores the "flags" option for the designated users which are allowed to add/update the factoids. The default is an empty flags entry and that's what's aplied even to the designated users, making them unable to manipulate factoids? Any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 14:23.53 | CoolCold | have machine with 2 similar disks, but hdparm differs http://pastebin.com/m5dece0fd |
| 14:23.58 | CoolCold | what should i check? |
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| 14:26.50 | Winnipeger | K, this is ridiculously hard to setup quotas for some reason. If I follow the directions it never works. If I create the aquota.user file before installing quota and quota tools, then installation fails when it discovers the truncated quota file. If I install quota before creating the files, installation fails when it attempts to check quotas and just sits there, completely hung until I once again must Ctrl+C past it. |
| 14:27.57 | Winnipeger | That's with a usrquota entry in my fstab, if I wait and first install quota, then create the quota files, then add the entry to fstab, the process hangs on reboot. |
| 14:28.07 | sp00n | how do you restart dbus in debian? |
| 14:28.58 | sp00n | ha nvm |
| 14:29.31 | Winnipeger | These are the instructions I'm following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
| 14:30.05 | slicer_ | sp00n: are you still trying to configure your wifi? |
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| 14:31.43 | HaC| | hi there |
| 14:31.48 | Winnipeger | after following those directions, they fail when I get to install quota, and I get this error: Checking quotas...quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile /home/aquota.user was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 14:32.46 | HaC| | i did backukp files using tar, bzip2 and gpg...now after decrypting them bunzip2 says to me the files are corrupted...is there anything i can do to recover the files ? |
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| 14:34.41 | Winnipeger | Then there are these instructions here which specifically mention the error and suggest a way around it (http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch28_:_Managing_Disk_Usage_with_Quotas) however running quotacheck just hangs forever... I'm going on 5 minutes now and it hasn't finished running. |
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| 14:43.21 | jelly-home | Winnipeger: quotacheck traverses the whole directory tree on a filesystem; it can take a while |
| 14:44.17 | Winnipeger | Ok... I stopped it... I will run it again and go get a coffee |
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| 14:44.52 | jelly-home | Winnipeger: oh, and you better not have anything using that filesystem while quotacheck is running |
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| 14:45.52 | Winnipeger | hm.. I was logged in as a user issuing commands via su |
| 14:46.04 | jelly-home | via console? |
| 14:46.06 | doti | hi, do you know some mud server for debian? |
| 14:46.10 | Winnipeger | gnome-terminal |
| 14:46.29 | jelly-home | Winnipeger: your quota results might be incorrect then |
| 14:46.44 | jelly-home | Winnipeger: do it in single-user mode, preferably |
| 14:46.46 | asg | doti: apt-cache search mud server |
| 14:47.04 | doti | asg: there's nothing |
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| 14:48.20 | Winnipeger | ok... I will try now... init 1 switches me to single user right? |
| 14:48.22 | HaC| | do i have any posibility to recover a overwritten ext3 partition ? |
| 14:49.06 | erawfish | 32not if it's really overwritten |
| 14:49.27 | HaC| | overwritten means mkfs |
| 14:49.37 | HaC| | destroyed the inodes |
| 14:49.58 | erawfish | you don't even know what you did |
| 14:50.16 | erawfish | judd: versions testdisk |
| 14:50.17 | judd | erawfish: testdisk: 6.5-1 (etch) 6.9-1.1 (lenny) 6.10-1 (sid) |
| 14:50.24 | erawfish | this might help |
| 14:50.28 | HaC| | yeah... |
| 14:50.33 | HaC| | i tried |
| 14:50.40 | HaC| | but i did a new partition |
| 14:50.53 | HaC| | and thus he did not see the old ones |
| 14:51.12 | asg | doti: that listed at least three on my etch box. You could always compile one from source if you wish, such as Diku |
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| 14:51.33 | doti | asg: ok, thx |
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| 15:01.14 | White_Pelican | Hello everyone. I'm considering graduating from Kubuntu to Debian. How much of a learning curve should I expect? |
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| 15:02.42 | _mary_kate_ | when i add an IP (v6) alias using 'ip addr addr ... dev eth1', the system starts using this address as the default source address for outgoing connections. how do i make that not happen? |
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| 15:05.07 | pobega | I'm having some trouble updating ssmtp and at, at is givnig me dependency problems and seems to prevent ssmtp from installing. http://pastebin.com/d57650f21 |
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| 15:06.27 | abrotman | pobega: checked the bts? |
| 15:06.34 | asg | White_Pelican: are you scared of command line tinkering? If so, the learning curve will be higher. Otherwise, you should be fine. |
| 15:07.08 | White_Pelican | not afraid of command line, I'm an old dos man ;) |
| 15:07.44 | White_Pelican | here's a big question. does debian have kde 4 and is it 4.1.3? |
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| 15:08.45 | White_Pelican | that's my big issue with kubuntu. I'm on hardy and they will not upgrade hardy. they are pushing intrepid |
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| 15:09.36 | pobega | abrotman: No, but I will now. |
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| 15:10.05 | White_Pelican | on another note, I'm on the page to download the dvd version of debian, are there really 5 I have to download? |
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| 15:10.37 | asg | White_Pelican: well, kde4 won't be in stable (etch) or likely testing (lenny). It will eventually make it into unstable (sid) if it hasn,t already but we don't encourage people to run sid unless they really know what they are doing. If kde4 is a requirement, then I'd stick with an upgrade to ibex. |
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| 15:11.14 | White_Pelican | ty asg |
| 15:11.23 | pobega | Hm, apparently someone else has had the same problem with at and postfix. So it seems anything else but exim4 gives at problems. |
| 15:11.30 | White_Pelican | I'll take that into consideration |
| 15:11.39 | asg | White_Pelican: you don't need all the DVDs. You can install via USB, net install, or businesscard ISO if you like. The install guide (/msg dpkg ig) has all the details |
| 15:12.26 | White_Pelican | ty |
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| 15:14.37 | Winnipeger | Thanks jelly-home ... using your tips I followed all the instructions in single user mode, and went for a coffee / used some patience, and it all seems to have gone well. |
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| 15:15.55 | Assid | hi.. im trying to load up pptp server, however, it seems be to getting stuck during authentication. http://assid.pastebin.com/d671c1e98 |
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| 15:16.33 | Winnipeger | I've created a report of my user limits here, I tried to set a soft-limit of 80GB and hard or 90GB for the two main users, and a soft hard of 1GB & 2 GB for guest account. I'm a bit concerned that I don't know who user 1002 is. We used to have a user called jeff on here, but I removed him via the gnome user tool. |
| 15:17.01 | Winnipeger | Anyway, if someone wouldn't mind taking a look and letting me know if it looks like I achieved my goal... http://pastebin.com/d7638e9d7 |
| 15:17.51 | asg | Winnipeger: /etc/passwd should list who is user id 1002. If not, then use find(1) to determine any files or directories owned by that id and remove them |
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| 15:19.21 | Winnipeger | Thanks asg. There was no userid as that in /etc/password, but I did find his old directory under home. Removing it has removed the strange entry from the userquota report |
| 15:20.26 | LemensTS | i tried to run 'make' and 'makeinstall' on no-ip. It said i didnt have gcc so i 'apt-get install gcc', now i try to make and i get wierd errors http://pastebin.com/m131dd01a |
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| 15:22.35 | LemensTS | when i do 'make > log.txt' i get gcc -Wall -g -O2 -Dlinux -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" noip2.c -o noip2 |
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| 15:23.09 | xxiao | LemensTS: why not do "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 15:23.26 | xxiao | LemensTS: that's the standard way of installing compilers |
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| 15:24.31 | LemensTS | because i did not have that wrote down in my notes |
| 15:24.39 | LemensTS | thanks that did it |
| 15:25.43 | evud | Hello. I what should i change in /etc/apt/sources.list file(what to add?) in order to be able to install the JDK? |
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| 15:29.07 | evud | LemensTS: thank you very much.! Bye |
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| 15:33.53 | tim__ | hey all |
| 15:34.01 | tim__ | sorry, may be a noob question |
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| 15:34.40 | HaC| | still wainting for the question ;) |
| 15:34.46 | Similian | wow I just had the worst install im my lifetime debian etch on a Proliant |
| 15:34.48 | tim__ | but i've got an account on an etch/kernel 2.6.18.8 box with no password ( i auth with ssh keys), and am trying to change my shell, but chsh asks for a password, any idea why?] |
| 15:34.50 | tim__ | :-) |
| 15:35.06 | Similian | forgot how it sucks on debian without net drivers |
| 15:35.08 | Similian | :D |
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| 15:35.40 | Flygisoft | Hello, I got a problem with my kernel I compiled... I get the message "Begin: Waiting for root file system" and after a while I get a few more messages "ALERT! /dev/sdb1 does not exist." and I get dropped to initramfs shell. What have I done wrong? :) |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | use a debian kernel |
| 15:36.02 | asg | tim__: because chsh uses pam and the pam conf is set for pam_unix.so by default. |
| 15:36.16 | tim__ | @asg -aah cheers |
| 15:36.27 | Flygisoft | I got the kernel by using the command apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 15:36.39 | tim__ | can i set up PAM to not require a password? assuming this is not a dangerous and foolish thing to do |
| 15:36.43 | abrotman | then you built it wrong .. or changed too many options |
| 15:36.59 | tim__ | the passwd -d thing was following the example of my sysadmin at work, so i guessed it was good practive |
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| 15:38.10 | asg | tim__: is your chsh binary suid? |
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| 15:38.59 | tim__ | @asg - i have no idea - how do i find out? i don't really understand suid fully tbh |
| 15:39.13 | HaC| | ls -l /usr/bin7chsh |
| 15:39.15 | asg | tim__: ls -l /usr/bin/chsh |
| 15:39.16 | HaC| | ups |
| 15:39.19 | HaC| | ls -l /usr/bin/chsh |
| 15:39.21 | HaC| | yeah ;) |
| 15:39.22 | asg | tim__: paste the output |
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| 15:39.32 | Flygisoft | Yeah I probably built it wrong, but I can't get why, I imported my current config to menuconfig |
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| 15:39.42 | tim__ | ok yeah |
| 15:39.44 | tim__ | quietus@ferry:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/chsh |
| 15:39.44 | tim__ | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 23616 2007-02-27 02:53 /usr/bin/chsh |
| 15:39.57 | tim__ | i get that ls tells you, but not sure which bit of it, and what it means :-) |
| 15:40.16 | tim__ | if it's owned by root i can sudo chsh right? |
| 15:40.22 | asg | tim__: the rws bit indicates suid |
| 15:40.34 | tim__ | aaah, that's the 's'? |
| 15:41.00 | tim__ | and that means it always runs as the owner, regardless of who executes it? |
| 15:41.11 | asg | tim__: yes |
| 15:41.20 | tim__ | aha, i get this now |
| 15:41.24 | asg | tim__: you could do 'sudo chsh <user>' |
| 15:41.35 | tim__ | aah awesome, that's good |
| 15:42.17 | tim__ | as an aside, am i likely to run into any other problems having a login account with no password? |
| 15:42.31 | tim__ | assuming i'm only using over ssh, where the keys handle the auth |
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| 15:43.15 | tim__ | aah great stuff, that worked fine |
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| 15:43.24 | asg | tim__: other than issues that prompt for a passwd, no, you should be fine. |
| 15:43.33 | tim__ | brilliant. thanks! |
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| 15:46.29 | evud | Hello. I just installed the sun-java6-jdk ... basically the version 1.6 ... But when I see what's the version of javac I still see 1.5. How can i change this? Or how can i find where the jdk6 is installed? Thanks |
| 15:46.54 | pipeline | evud: you can either fool with the "alternatives" system, or you can uninstall java 5. |
| 15:46.55 | HaC| | i would try update it using alternatives |
| 15:47.06 | HaC| | ...damn i too slow |
| 15:47.14 | HaC| | s/i/i'm/ |
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| 15:48.35 | HaC| | that means sudo update-alternatives javac or anything like this |
| 15:48.54 | asg | --config <foo> |
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| 15:49.37 | HaC| | or so |
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| 15:50.03 | Narvoos | Hi, is there a LIVE-CD for Debian? |
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| 15:50.26 | asg | Narvoos: no but you can easily make one with the bootcd package |
| 15:50.34 | evud | HaC|: I use this but get uknown argument. I tried for argumetns both javac and "sun-java6-jdk". Also pipeline I removed sun-java5-jdk but when doing javac now i see an IBM java Eclipse compiler. not from Sun |
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| 15:52.03 | evud | pipeline: although java -version is 1.6 right now!!! the javac isn't (Its Eclipse Java Compile 3.2.1. Copyright IBM) ... |
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| 15:53.03 | HaC| | vulture i did it wrong..it has to be sudo update-alternatives --config javac |
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| 15:53.18 | HaC| | moah |
| 15:53.22 | HaC| | i mean evud not vulture |
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| 15:54.28 | sladi | evud: maybe try update-alternatives -all |
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| 15:55.44 | evud | HaC|: Thanks! Worked! now I have javac 1.6 . Thank you very much |
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| 15:57.47 | HaC| | you're welcome |
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| 16:01.00 | RoyK | "GFS2 is currently (08/2008) only a technology preview and it is discouraged to use it in production environments." (from wikipedia) <-- is this so? |
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| 16:03.41 | pipeline | RoyK: ocfs2 is mature |
| 16:04.53 | RoyK | is that in mainline kernel? |
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| 16:12.02 | lbt | hi - I've just installed debian testing/unstable from scratch and I'm having problems with doubled mouse events |
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| 16:13.39 | lbt | and pidgin just crashed... |
| 16:14.01 | lbt | so I may have missed if anyone replied :) |
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| 16:14.43 | RoyK | lbt: well, it _is_ unstable, isn't it? :) |
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| 16:15.20 | lbt | mmm - I've been running unstable for a long time |
| 16:15.37 | lbt | I only did a fresh install when I changed the MB |
| 16:15.46 | lbt | this is some silly bug |
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| 16:17.17 | lbt | and pidgin *really* hates double clicks it seems <grin> |
| 16:17.30 | enouf | lbt: tell your silly DE to stop that |
| 16:17.43 | jamesstanley | I installed opie-server and opie-client, and I generated a password, and I modified /etc/pam.d/ssh to only include the two env entries and opie.so, I enabled ChallengeResponseAuthentication in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted sshd. I ssh'd to localhost expecting the OPIE 'challenge', but it just asks for a password. I tried typing my real password and was denied entry. Anyone know what I need to do to make it work? |
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| 16:18.05 | lbt | DE? |
| 16:18.22 | enouf | desktop env |
| 16:18.57 | lbt | ha - I checked things like accessibility - not that.. |
| 16:19.28 | enouf | lbt: still using same ps/2 or usb for mouse? do you have one of those 5000000000000000 button mice? |
| 16:19.45 | jamesstanley | The relevant entry is in /etc/opiekeys |
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| 16:19.55 | lbt | I used to use the same usb mouse into a ps/2 adaptor |
| 16:20.06 | lbt | but the new mobo has no ps/2 adaptor |
| 16:20.12 | lbt | (bang goes my kvm!!) |
| 16:20.21 | enouf | lbt: wait - i use those |
| 16:20.22 | lbt | so it's the 5 button mouse into usb |
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| 16:20.44 | enouf | the motherboard has nothing to do with that ,.. oh, you mean no ps/2 port? |
| 16:21.14 | lbt | is it the zaxismapping? |
| 16:21.15 | enouf | so, use your older xorg.conf and set it up now correctly, usb should still be using /dev/input/mice |
| 16:21.29 | lbt | I used the bog-standard setup |
| 16:21.31 | enouf | well .. man xorg.conf |
| 16:21.32 | lbt | very minimal |
| 16:21.45 | enouf | lenny/sid is autoconfig X |
| 16:22.17 | lbt | yes, so all I did was add the dual-screen - kept things clean |
| 16:22.30 | enouf | Emulate3Buttons is so people with no wheel, and only 2 buttons can emulate a wheel click using both buttons simultaneously |
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| 16:22.40 | lbt | yep, know that |
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| 16:23.26 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/m5f9c5d7ehttp://pastebin.com/m5f9c5d7ehttp://pastebin.com/m5f9c5d7e |
| 16:23.27 | enouf | well - ZAxisMapping 4 5 (IIRC) concerns that as well |
| 16:23.33 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/m5f9c5d7ehttp://pastebin.com/m5f9c5d7e |
| 16:23.46 | lbt | ah - it looks like it's triple clicking |
| 16:23.47 | enouf | wonderful |
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| 16:24.05 | enouf | is the click speed set to like 1ms ? |
| 16:24.13 | lbt | I thought the 4 5 was about the extra buttond |
| 16:24.20 | enouf | it is |
| 16:24.28 | lbt | no, I used the click speed utility to verify |
| 16:24.34 | enouf | the wheel == extra button |
| 16:24.35 | lbt | that I had a real problem |
| 16:24.57 | lbt | gotcha - and 6 7 are the side buttons I never bothered setting up IIRC |
| 16:25.09 | enouf | press, forward, backwards, IIRC, 3 4 5 |
| 16:25.25 | enouf | right, xmodmap -ppk, and pp |
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| 16:25.30 | enouf | er -pp |
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| 16:28.57 | lbt | here is a trace from xev : http://pastebin.com/m1f070e3f |
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| 16:29.55 | elik | I remember getting decent help for IPMASQ, anyone know where I could find some? |
| 16:30.19 | abrotman | some help? or ipmasq ? |
| 16:30.30 | elik | both |
| 16:30.42 | elik | and by that I mean ipmasq help |
| 16:30.44 | lbt | notice that the presee event times are 1 unit apart - that is some serious reflex action - I should be a gamer!! |
| 16:30.48 | CoolCold | does anyone know, will 32bit grub be able to boot 64bit kernel? |
| 16:30.53 | abrotman | !tell elik about ipmasq |
| 16:31.03 | CoolCold | wanna upgrade 32bit system to 64bit remotely |
| 16:31.15 | lbt | CoolCold: yes - I did it this am |
| 16:31.21 | maligor | I don't think there is a 64bit mode grub |
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| 16:31.25 | elik | abrotman, that's what i was looking for, thx |
| 16:31.44 | CoolCold | lbt: 10x, used some nice howto? |
| 16:32.09 | sladi | AFAIK grub is like it's own OS |
| 16:32.12 | lbt | no... I used unetbootin |
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| 16:32.25 | lbt | Please don't use it :) |
| 16:32.43 | lbt | (mind, you said remote so it isn't relevant) |
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| 16:35.30 | lbt | so enouf, any more ideas? I think there's something dodgy about the debian config |
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| 16:35.56 | lbt | it feels like it is sending ps2 and usb events to the xorg |
| 16:37.25 | CoolCold | lbt: erm..unetbootin, this is boot from cd, isn't it? where here grub come in place? |
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| 16:38.36 | lbt | CoolCold: it's not relevant for you. However the system I am typing into booted a 64-bit kernel from an i386 installed grub |
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| 16:42.22 | lbt | ah well, Debian installation fails and hackery wins (3rd time today IIRC) |
| 16:42.55 | lbt | the configured xorg.conf needs something from the old setup AFAICT |
| 16:43.00 | lbt | it works now anyway |
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| 16:44.58 | CoolCold | well, looks like vmware is the best way to check |
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| 16:51.27 | JordiGH | How can I pin the experimental KDE packages to 101? I thought pinning "kde*" from experimental would work, but it doesn't. |
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| 16:58.00 | viller | is it OK if I have my one and only HDD installed as secondary slave? |
| 16:58.23 | JordiGH | As long as the BIOS doesn't complain, why not? |
| 16:58.41 | themill | JordiGH: pinning doesn't accept wildcards. check the docs. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 16:59.06 | JordiGH | themill: It seems to accept only global ones. :-( |
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| 17:00.26 | JordiGH | I hadn't heard "wildcard" used in a while. I've been calling it "globs", which I guess technically aren't the same thing. |
| 17:00.48 | JordiGH | Hm... |
| 17:01.13 | JordiGH | ponders Perlism to put all the kde* experimental packages one by one into /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 17:03.15 | JordiGH | Btw, is there a way to grep for two things without piping them? i.e. shortcut for " |grep experimental | grep kde" |
| 17:04.08 | lbt | IIRC grep 'experimental|kde' |
| 17:04.43 | lbt | egrep, not grep |
| 17:04.56 | JordiGH | That's an OR. I want an AND. |
| 17:05.07 | lbt | man egrep |
| 17:05.30 | JordiGH | Okay, so you don't know... Never mind, it's not a real problem anyways. |
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| 17:06.48 | HaC| | i think there is a way using grep with a and |
| 17:08.23 | giupy | hi all |
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| 17:10.33 | MrDigimon | How can i add a new resolution that my desktop can use? im using debian lenny with the KDE 4.1 backport |
| 17:10.43 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.56 | Yakeson_Chihiro | good day |
| 17:12.04 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: In general, I've had pretty good experience not putting anything about resolutions in xorg.conf. |
| 17:12.06 | Yakeson_Chihiro | does anyone know well ffmpeg stuffs ? |
| 17:12.22 | JordiGH | Yakeson_Chihiro: #ffmpeg does, they've been very helpful to me in the past. |
| 17:12.39 | Yakeson_Chihiro | it's about packing stuffs and dependencies |
| 17:12.47 | Yakeson_Chihiro | I'm taking part in Fink |
| 17:12.52 | Yakeson_Chihiro | a mac osx distro |
| 17:12.56 | JordiGH | #macosx, then? |
| 17:12.57 | MrDigimon | JordiGH: ok, i would really want my screen to run at 1600x1200, i do some grapic stuff so i would need it that big... |
| 17:13.07 | Yakeson_Chihiro | the current version in Fink is a snapshot from november 2007 |
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| 17:13.18 | abrotman | Yakeson_Chihiro: that has nothing to do with this channel |
| 17:13.27 | Yakeson_Chihiro | I added like debian or *bsd a patch to enable img_resample |
| 17:13.46 | MrDigimon | any ways how to add new resolutions without going via xorg? |
| 17:13.51 | Yakeson_Chihiro | I added like debian or *bsd a patch to enable img_resample |
| 17:13.55 | abrotman | Yakeson_Chihiro: that has nothing to do with this channel |
| 17:14.02 | HaC| | hmm.... JordiGH if you know in which sequence the words are comming...you can do something like grep -E 'first.*second' $VAR |
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| 17:14.14 | JordiGH | HaC|: But if I don't? |
| 17:14.20 | HaC| | hmm...maybe |
| 17:14.30 | HaC| | grep -E 'first.*second|second.*first' $VAR ? |
| 17:14.53 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Like I said, just don't put anything in xorg.conf, make sure it's clear, then go into KDE preferences and see that resolutions it can do. |
| 17:15.00 | JordiGH | HaC|: Ugly. :P |
| 17:15.10 | HaC| | hehe but it should work ;) |
| 17:15.13 | JordiGH | HaC|: I think I prefer my pipe solution |
| 17:15.33 | MrDigimon | JordiGH: ok, i got some resolutions settings there from the older distro i used, maybe i should delete that? |
| 17:15.38 | Yakeson_Chihiro | i would like to know if you issues by doing that, debian seems to have packaged like that before |
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| 17:15.47 | HaC| | JordiGH looks better to me ;) |
| 17:15.52 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Try that (and backup the xorg.conf before you do) |
| 17:16.17 | Yakeson_Chihiro | abrotman: fink is using debian tools |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | Yakeson_Chihiro: ask the ffmpeg people or the fink people or the osx people |
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| 17:16.23 | MrDigimon | can i just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or is there something that i have to add myself later then? |
| 17:16.24 | JordiGH | Yakeson_Chihiro: #debian-devel in OFTC might be more receptive... or ask Marillat, he might be helpful (or he might not). |
| 17:16.25 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 17:16.29 | abrotman | Yakeson_Chihiro: that still doesn't mean your question is on topic here .. go elsewhere |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't do that |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: his question isn't remotely debian related |
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| 17:17.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: This channel is a bit more hostile to offtopicness than other places. The mailing lists are quite receptive to Ubuntu questions, for example. There's also a very different culture in #debian-devel, although they are cliquey. |
| 17:17.30 | meoblast001 | where can i find zlib-modules-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem-di_1.72_i386.udeb |
| 17:17.33 | giupy | where can i find yenta socket in kernel config ? |
| 17:17.35 | slicer_ | any special requirements for booting vista and lenny, same HD? |
| 17:17.40 | Yakeson_Chihiro | ok thanks for your feedback, already went to fink and ffmpeg |
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| 17:17.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: so you're dumb enough to send him to the debian dev channel for a non-debian question ? |
| 17:17.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: And Yakeson_Chihiro might find someone who knows the answer in those places and is in a good mood. |
| 17:18.26 | meoblast001 | im making a debian repo and im thinking about just copying the whole offician debian repo to my server |
| 17:18.26 | meoblast001 | but that would take days |
| 17:18.26 | meoblast001 | and would fill up my harddisk |
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| 17:18.26 | meoblast001 | !enter | meoblast001 |
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| 17:18.26 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't do that again .. the dev channel is not for support |
| 17:18.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: The person who packaged ffmpeg for Debian might be in #debian-devel. And if not, the #debian-devel people will tell Yakeson_Chihiro to bugger off. No big deal. |
| 17:18.32 | magyar | hi, I use mdadm with lenny. My exim is configured for maildir delivery. When an array fails the mail gets delivered to "/var/mail/myname" Is there a way to get mdadm to deliver through exim? |
| 17:18.34 | abrotman | certainly not for a non-debian OS |
| 17:18.40 | abrotman | JordiGH: it is a big deal |
| 17:19.06 | JordiGH | abrotman: *shrug* At worst, Yakeson_Chihiro will get some nastiness and no response. |
| 17:19.15 | slicer_ | vista on partition 1 /dev/sda1 lenny on /dev/sda2, remove bootflag vista. install grub to /dev/sda2. does that sound good? |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | good .. so you send him from one wrong place to ask to another .. you're not very helpful |
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| 17:20.00 | Yakeson_Chihiro | it's ok |
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| 17:20.26 | HaC| | Yakeson_Chihiro they're fighting for you (: |
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| 17:21.48 | MrDigimon | i've updated my xorg now (ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg), i'll be back here if i cant change my resolution to a higher one :] |
| 17:22.08 | mizmax | hello |
| 17:22.22 | Yakeson_Chihiro | it's ok, I'll drop a mail to a mulitmedia list and the moderator will decides, I won't complain |
| 17:22.36 | Yakeson_Chihiro | s/decide/decides |
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| 17:22.55 | Yakeson_Chihiro | see you later |
| 17:23.03 | HaC| | in a while |
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| 17:26.34 | mizmax | i wont upgrade etch to lenny, need stop x-window-system ? |
| 17:27.01 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:29.43 | mizmax | abrotman: x-window-system not upgrade?! |
| 17:30.12 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg ? |
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| 17:31.55 | Daejeo | anyone have nokia cell n-series(S60- 5th edition)? i want to test the GPS service with my debian. i tested with emulator. it is ok , but i want to test it in real time. |
| 17:32.32 | mizmax | abrotman: I have start x-window-system and run KDE, I owe stop X11 ? |
| 17:32.43 | abrotman | if you want to |
| 17:36.09 | mizmax | abrotman: but it is not necessarily ? |
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| 17:36.48 | zxxd | hi |
| 17:36.59 | zxxd | does anyone of a console webrowser with java script support? |
| 17:37.04 | zxxd | links2? |
| 17:37.17 | slurpee | i installed x-chat. i opened it and started changing some settings and now it wont appear. Any time I open the app, I see an hour glass, but nothing appears. I have tried purging xchat & reinstalled, but the same thing happens. I am not seeing any error logs either. |
| 17:37.22 | teratoma | elinks supports some javascript |
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| 17:37.42 | abrotman | slurpee: so mv your ~/.xchat2/ to something else |
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| 17:37.50 | teratoma | just a little. crazy stuff like google chat won't work in it |
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| 17:40.22 | slurpee | abrotman, k thanx |
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| 17:41.21 | JordiGH | wishes there were a way to upgrade from a debian ver-1 to ver-2 release without downloading all 100-something megs of OO.o again. |
| 17:41.29 | slurpee | does it matter where I move it? Am I moving it "anywhere else" to trick xchat into loading? |
| 17:41.30 | JordiGH | Why can't we just download binary diff patches? |
| 17:41.50 | stew | JordiGH: aptitude remove openoffice.org :P |
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| 17:42.35 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, I don't really use it, that's true. I actually mostly have it only to help friends when they say they have problems with it. |
| 17:42.56 | JordiGH | stew: But seriously, why can't there be binary diffs instead? |
| 17:43.00 | stew | JordiGH: there have been discussions of binary diffs on the lists from time to time |
| 17:43.19 | zxxd | i get "Error reading from socket" when trying to login to an SSL website in links2 |
| 17:43.20 | JordiGH | Ah, and I get nobody has gotten around to implementing them. |
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| 17:45.16 | mrfree_ | hi all |
| 17:45.53 | stew | JordiGH: debdiff exists. i don't know if debpatch ever was implemented. I think the big problem would be to convince the ftp masters to try to implement it on the dak side |
| 17:46.26 | mrfree_ | how can I tell my debian to auto-reconnect to the wpa accesspoint if it losts link? |
| 17:46.27 | stew | judd: info debdelta |
| 17:46.28 | judd | stew: debdelta (devel): is optional; Version: 0.19; Size: 38.1k; Installed: 172k -- diff and patch utilities which work with Debian packages |
| 17:46.58 | stew | mrfree_: doesn't wpasupplicant do this already? |
| 17:47.34 | mrfree_ | stew, I don't know... I've installed it and configured wpa- in interfaces is it enough? |
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| 17:47.49 | JordiGH | Btw, are binary diffs actually the solution? I could imagine a trivial change in the source might result in a huge change in the binary. |
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| 17:49.32 | JordiGH | stew: Worked on tritium recently? |
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| 17:56.00 | norc | Hello. I have a primary partition with only one logical partition (ntfs) with data on it. Is there any way to "convert" the logical back to a primary without losing the data on the partition? |
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| 17:56.29 | norc | (I want to install windows xp on that partition, and it does not seem possible to install winxp on a logical partition) |
| 17:57.30 | JordiGH | norc: If gparted doesn't let you do it, it probably can't be done. |
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| 17:58.56 | stew | JordiGH: unfortunately i haven't touched tritium in a while. It works fine for me so i'm not that motivated. when i uploaded it to experimental and it got a ton of bug reports i made a bunch of progress. i need to figure out how to get motivated again |
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| 17:59.27 | JordiGH | stew: More bug reports? :-) |
| 17:59.42 | norc | JordiGH: Well, I think a logical partition should have the same characteristics. |
| 18:00.12 | norc | JordiGH: So perhaps I might be able to delete the primary and included logical partition, and create a new primary with the same size and offsets as the logical partition. |
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| 18:00.41 | JordiGH | norc: Sure, and copy the data. Can parted create NTFS partitions? |
| 18:00.56 | norc | Uhm, I forgot. I got no space to create a backup |
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| 18:02.05 | b2s | any idea what would cause me to not see VMX support for my CPU under debian xen kernel, but it shows up on ubuntu server kernel? |
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| 18:02.59 | manb | how do i verify written data on a cd after the burnprocess has finished? |
| 18:03.07 | b2s | does the debian kernel mis-identify my CPU or something? |
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| 18:03.22 | abrotman | b2s: uname -a |
| 18:03.31 | JordiGH | manb: k3b has an option to do so. |
| 18:04.26 | manb | JordiGH, i missed that one. so how do i do it, afterwards? |
| 18:04.28 | stew | JordiGH: sure |
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| 18:05.06 | JordiGH | manb: You could check the md5sum of the iso that you burnt, it it was an ISO, or individual files. |
| 18:05.12 | JordiGH | if it was |
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| 18:05.31 | _mary_kate_ | does anyone offer commercial support for debian? |
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| 18:05.59 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: Yes, they're on the webpage... |
| 18:06.03 | manb | JordiGH, it were files, i do not have an iso. |
| 18:06.29 | JordiGH | manb: Then you can check the md5sum of each. Do you know how to script that? |
| 18:06.44 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 18:06.48 | streuner | _mary_kate_: look at the debian.org website for consulants |
| 18:06.50 | norc | manb: or just use diff. |
| 18:07.08 | b2s | Linux b2s-laptop 2.6.26-1-xen-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 19:59:46 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:07.26 | _mary_kate_ | JordiGH: hmm, i see the 'consults' page, but most of the people listed there seem to be more oriented towards consulting for specific projects |
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| 18:07.53 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: Those people are people that are willing to get paid to help you with Debian issues. |
| 18:08.05 | manb | norc, is diff as good as md5? |
| 18:08.16 | manb | JordiGH, i am on that right now, but i dont get it working. |
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| 18:08.32 | manb | JordiGH, i have troubles with the filepath... |
| 18:08.38 | _mary_kate_ | well, i don't want to pay EUR50/hour for every problem ;) with Solaris, we pay a yearly rate for support from Sun and get tech support / bug fixes / etc as needed. that's the sort of thing i'm looking for |
| 18:08.43 | mrfree_ | stew, I stopped hostapd on the server and after 5 min the client (that uses wpasupplicant) is still disconnected |
| 18:08.45 | MrDigimon | is there any progeam i can use to add new screen resolutions? |
| 18:08.49 | MrDigimon | *program |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | b2s: did you check dmesg about it, or check your bios ? |
| 18:09.06 | norc | manb: Well, md5 just hashes. So in theory a bitwise comparison is always better due to possible (although highly unlikely) hash collisions |
| 18:09.16 | abrotman | _mary_kate_: talk to HP |
| 18:09.26 | mrfree_ | stew, naturally if I manually ifdown then ifup it works |
| 18:10.17 | norc | manb: In fact it would be even faster |
| 18:10.25 | _mary_kate_ | abrotman: they do debian support? |
| 18:10.39 | norc | I mean diff would be faster. |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | http://h71028.www7.hp.com/services/cache/442406-0-0-0-121.html |
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| 18:11.04 | abrotman | _mary_kate_: seems you have to buy HP hardware though .. |
| 18:11.12 | b2s | abrotman: when I boot to xen it says "VMX disabled by BIOS" but when I move to not xen, it doesn't give that message and VMX seems to be enabled... :( |
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| 18:11.56 | _mary_kate_ | abrotman: hmm.. i was hoping to avoid changing vendors. but sun only support RH and suse |
| 18:12.21 | norc | JordiGH: It would seem, that gparted isnt even capable of recognizing my partitions. |
| 18:12.26 | abrotman | you want support for debian on your Sun hardware? |
| 18:12.31 | _mary_kate_ | abrotman: yes |
| 18:12.33 | norc | Just by the way. ;-) |
| 18:12.43 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: You might be able to negotiate a yearly rate with one of those consultants? |
| 18:12.49 | _mary_kate_ | i'm looking at canonical (+ ubuntu), but since we already use debian, it would be easier not to change |
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| 18:12.59 | abrotman | _mary_kate_: i've been told ibm will support anything if you pay them enough :) |
| 18:13.21 | JordiGH | norc: That's unfortunate. Does parted see it, though? |
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| 18:14.43 | jonathon | hello room |
| 18:14.44 | jonathon | i am sshed into me deb box at my sisters home and am wondering how to reboot it where the ssh will also start back up on boot up so i can re ssh back into it? |
| 18:14.44 | abrotman | channel! |
| 18:14.44 | norc | JordiGH: Ah well, it would seem the debian installed used a wrong offset for the swap partition. |
| 18:14.44 | norc | I have overlapping partitions. |
| 18:14.44 | norc | Is it safe to disable to swap memory for a while? |
| 18:14.44 | norc | s/to/the/ |
| 18:14.44 | JordiGH | jonathon: sshd starts at boot by default, so if you don't expect anything to go wrong, yes. |
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| 18:14.54 | MrDigimon | this is getting on my nerves..... |
| 18:15.07 | JordiGH | norc: Yes. swapon swapoff. |
| 18:15.22 | jonathon | JordiGH, thank you |
| 18:15.31 | mrfree_ | I'm using debian etch any idea on why wpasupplicant doesn't reconnect if I switch off and the on the ap? |
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| 18:15.47 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Still not the resolution you want? |
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| 18:16.24 | MrDigimon | JordiGH: nope, and i cant find a program to do it for me either |
| 18:16.32 | JordiGH | abrotman: "Folder" instead of "directory" is my pet peeve. ;-) |
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| 18:16.39 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: xrandr? |
| 18:16.40 | lbruno | waves |
| 18:16.53 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Which resolutions does xrandr report? |
| 18:17.03 | MrDigimon | highest resolution on xrandr is 1600x1024 |
| 18:17.14 | MrDigimon | 1024 should be 1280 |
| 18:17.18 | MrDigimon | sry |
| 18:17.20 | MrDigimon | 1200 |
| 18:17.22 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: And you're sure your hardware supports it? |
| 18:17.39 | MrDigimon | my hardware supports 25somethingxsomething |
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| 18:17.47 | MrDigimon | im pretty sure it can make it |
| 18:17.58 | CoondogR | any compiz users |
| 18:18.13 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Ask your real question. |
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| 18:18.25 | MrDigimon | i have a ati radeon X1550 (bad card, shouldve bought nvidia) |
| 18:18.26 | lbruno | is looking for reconnoiter / cacti / munin experiences and/or recommendations |
| 18:18.47 | CoondogR | Compiz acts weird when I run it |
| 18:18.48 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any clues? Grep down for the resolution you want. |
| 18:18.57 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Keep going... |
| 18:18.59 | CoondogR | I'm on debian sid |
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| 18:19.16 | CoondogR | using the shame repo |
| 18:19.21 | MrDigimon | ill check the log, but can you see if you manages to find a program that can add this for me? |
| 18:19.34 | JordiGH | CoondogR: So you're not even using Debian's packaging. Then ask #compiz. |
| 18:20.23 | CoondogR | I tried on the compiz channel, I was told that I needed someone with debian |
| 18:20.24 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: The only program is X and the KDE systemsettings thingie. |
| 18:20.45 | MrDigimon | what about xorg, is it the last option? |
| 18:20.48 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Then please explain further why your question is Debian-specific if you're not using the Debian repo. |
| 18:20.58 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: X is xorg... |
| 18:21.09 | MrDigimon | does it work to do it with that? |
| 18:21.13 | CoondogR | does the deb repo have compiz? |
| 18:21.18 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Yes. |
| 18:21.19 | MrDigimon | last time i tried i didnt get it to work |
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| 18:21.42 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: What do you mean? Too many "its" in that question. |
| 18:21.53 | CoondogR | ok JordiGH, I'll try the repo |
| 18:22.28 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Also, you haven't defined "weird". |
| 18:22.34 | MrDigimon | does it work to add a new resolution using the xorg.conf? i cant use it properly |
| 18:22.41 | CoondogR | it doesn't run right |
| 18:22.52 | CoondogR | it's like it's missing the window mananger |
| 18:22.59 | abrotman | also, try the debian packages |
| 18:23.00 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Oh. You're missing the decorations. |
| 18:23.11 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Are you on KDE 4? |
| 18:23.20 | CoondogR | gnome |
| 18:23.44 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Then I can't reproduce your problem. Get the Debian packages and ditch shame. I take it you're not on etch? |
| 18:23.55 | CoondogR | sid |
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| 18:24.12 | JordiGH | CoondogR: Right, you said so already. Then just get the Debian packages and tell us if those work. |
| 18:24.36 | CoondogR | k |
| 18:24.39 | jair | hello there guys, my servers are located in Chicago so I should have " CDT " instead CST correct? |
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| 18:24.55 | jair | I am trying to configure the time on my NTP server |
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| 18:25.26 | simonrvn | CoondogR: i use the uxfamily.org stuff, works well, plus fusion-icon to switch around between compiz and a wm, launch the window decorator prefs and ccm (compiz configuration manager) |
| 18:25.39 | simonrvn | er, tuxfamily* |
| 18:25.57 | JordiGH | Ooh, Qt interface for VLC. :-) |
| 18:26.09 | jair | or it is CST central standard time right? |
| 18:26.11 | CoondogR | simonrvn, when I tried the fusion-icon it didn't work either |
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| 18:26.36 | jair | interesting I went to the web site: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=64 and it shows CST |
| 18:26.39 | jair | for Chicago |
| 18:26.54 | jair | I guess is because after the Daylight time it changes to CST |
| 18:26.56 | MrDigimon | only thing i could get out of my xorg log was that the maximum resolution of the card is 2560x1600 |
| 18:27.12 | jair | I think that is the case. Then my NTP server is doing the right thing :P |
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| 18:27.53 | JordiGH | Is there something to make GTK+ do the rendering for Qt apps? So that KDE looks native when running Gnome? |
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| 18:28.33 | simonrvn | kde does for gtk, but afaik nothing for vice versa |
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| 18:29.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: you want qt apps to use gtk window decorations ? |
| 18:30.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yep. |
| 18:30.23 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well, not just decorations, the whole widget. |
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| 18:30.27 | JordiGH | toolkit. |
| 18:30.44 | Gruelius | i realise this isnt a explicitly debian related question but: What would the best way be to physically label harddisks in a fileserver? Next build will have 8 disks and if i swap the one wrong id be spewin! |
| 18:31.09 | Gruelius | is by-id the best way to keep track of them or is there another way which would be easier? |
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| 18:32.42 | JordiGH | Ooh, the experimental VLC is nice. |
| 18:33.18 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: it would make sense to label them how your raid system describes them. for software raid, hda, hdb... so if hdb fails, you know which disk to replace |
| 18:33.21 | xingu | Gruelius: I like by-id for the simple reason that the serial number is usually also printed onto the disk's label; but conceptually a _slot_ belongs to the storage cage, not the disk that happens to be loaded into it |
| 18:33.28 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: and add the disk serial number so you can verify |
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| 18:33.46 | _mary_kate_ | xingu: you can't see the disk's label without removing the disk ;) |
| 18:34.04 | Gruelius | mary kate: yeah i dont relaly want to use hda hdb cause with a old system i had two identical pci controllers, depending on how they were loaded in ubuntu the labeling would change :p |
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| 18:34.17 | Gruelius | xingu: yeah i understand |
| 18:34.18 | _mary_kate_ | hm, yes, linux does like to randomly change hard disk names |
| 18:34.19 | xingu | you can if you take two seconds to cook up the necessary work instruction to also transcribe the serial # to the label facing the user |
| 18:34.29 | Gruelius | xingu: ill probably just print the serial numbers on a sheet and have the slots listed |
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| 18:34.35 | Gruelius | so i dont have to pull out the disks to find the right one |
| 18:34.37 | xingu | Gruelius: stickers are cheap |
| 18:34.53 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: Not entirely "randomly". ;-) |
| 18:35.02 | xingu | Gruelius: also, another thing to bear in mind is that a decent storage unit will have a locator lamp on each slot and a way to toggle it |
| 18:35.08 | CarlFK | where is the source of menu.c32 - this post talks about a patch against it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485656 |
| 18:35.09 | JordiGH | !nickometer _mary_kate_ |
| 18:35.10 | dpkg | '_mary_kate_' is 26.000% lame, jordigh |
| 18:35.12 | _mary_kate_ | JordiGH: well.. it happens more often than i'm used to in certain other OSs ;) |
| 18:35.20 | JordiGH | !nickometer JordiGH |
| 18:35.21 | dpkg | 'JordiGH' is 8.000% lame, jordigh |
| 18:35.24 | JordiGH | I win! |
| 18:35.26 | Gruelius | xingu: ah i dont have enough money to afford hotswap bays, just screwing them in oldschool styles :p |
| 18:35.59 | xingu | on an 8-spindle system you'll regret that design choice :) |
| 18:37.03 | Gruelius | well 1 +ve for the old school bays is it can be cooled by a 12cm fan |
| 18:37.08 | Gruelius | instead of one of those dinky ones lol |
| 18:38.09 | adb | Gruelius: use ubuntu ? |
| 18:38.15 | Gruelius | last build |
| 18:38.32 | adb | 6. x? |
| 18:38.35 | Gruelius | thought i might aswell go for the real thing ;) + i lost some data. Had no UPS so i was asking for it haha |
| 18:38.47 | Gruelius | 6.x for a while left after 7.04 i think |
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| 18:39.32 | Gruelius | you know those bays with the indicator lamps, does the controller need to support it? |
| 18:39.36 | adb | so ask to ubuntu |
| 18:39.42 | Gruelius | i have etch now |
| 18:39.49 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: you shouldn't lose data on a RAID from power failure. that indicates some problem with your software or hardware, or a misconfiguration |
| 18:39.54 | _mary_kate_ | (e.g. enabling disk caches...) |
| 18:39.58 | CarlFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.08 | Gruelius | _mary_kate_: fsck didnt find anything |
| 18:40.12 | Gruelius | no messages from mdadm |
| 18:40.26 | Gruelius | and the corruption was really odd. I have md5sums generated whenver i do the offsite backups now |
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| 18:40.35 | Gruelius | so i can just check if anything funny has happened |
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| 18:42.27 | xingu | Gruelius: http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Enclosures-and-Cases/sc884/p845.aspx |
| 18:42.36 | xingu | Gruelius: or similar |
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| 18:42.55 | stew | a raid that doesn't have a battery backed cache can lose data just as swiftly as some other storage in a power failure |
| 18:43.05 | Gruelius | ah k |
| 18:43.09 | Gruelius | im just using md |
| 18:43.09 | Bildpunkt | hey, i installed lenny minimal and have troubles to get sound working. unfortunately i did not find a howto in the web, what is the best way to get sound working? |
| 18:43.17 | _mary_kate_ | stew: battery backing is only needed if you have the write cache enabled - the battery powers the cache while the power is out |
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| 18:43.51 | Gruelius | if its a software raid is the battery cache issue still relevant? And if a problem was to arise wouldnt mdadm find the array to be dirty or something? |
| 18:43.58 | Gruelius | the data in question wasnt being written to or read |
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| 18:44.22 | xingu | Gruelius: typically there's some tool that lets you do the nasty with environmental sensors/ raid setup and status/ and of course the slot locator lamps - on intelligent arrays |
| 18:44.23 | Gruelius | 109.99 pounds.. eeek lol |
| 18:44.54 | magyar | hi, how do i tail "dmesg" ? |
| 18:45.09 | Gruelius | dmesg | tail |
| 18:45.10 | Gruelius | ? |
| 18:45.14 | Gruelius | i think thats it |
| 18:45.14 | stew | magyar: tail /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:45.16 | Gruelius | lol |
| 18:45.18 | xingu | (that one I just posted is a fairly dumb jbod and I wouldn't expect it to have locator lamps or sensors) |
| 18:45.26 | stew | magyar: err you want a -f in there |
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| 18:46.24 | magyar | stew: cant do it as a regukar user i can do "dmesg" |
| 18:46.30 | quentusrex | What would cause localhost connections to postfix to work properly, but all remote connections to smtp to time out? |
| 18:46.37 | _mary_kate_ | quentusrex: packet filter |
| 18:46.40 | Gruelius | dmesg | tail works for me |
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| 18:47.03 | stew | magyar: ask your administrator to add you to the adm group |
| 18:47.05 | Gruelius | Are silicon image based sata controllers that evil? cant afford a 3ware :( |
| 18:47.45 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: i've never used si, but i know people who do and have no problem with them |
| 18:47.56 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: but beware their "RAID" support, which is not hardware raid, but "fakeraid" |
| 18:47.57 | Gruelius | yeah because when i was googling all i found was error reports |
| 18:48.08 | stew | quentusrex: check which ip address(es) the daemon is listening to: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:48.13 | Gruelius | i use mdadm for all my raid shenannigans :D |
| 18:48.15 | _mary_kate_ | (meaning it's software raid, with a little bit of hardware support to allow booting) |
| 18:48.24 | JordiGH | What's a good book for modern Debian administration? The Bible is from sarge or woody. :-( |
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| 18:48.35 | zand_ | stew: if it wasn't listening he'd get connection refused |
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| 18:48.44 | xand | quentusrex: firewal |
| 18:48.45 | xand | l |
| 18:49.07 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: if you're looking for a basic SATA controller, and can do PCI-X, i recommend the Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 |
| 18:49.10 | tq|Memphis | hi, what is the search command? |
| 18:49.17 | xand | tq|Memphis: for searching what? |
| 18:49.22 | Gruelius | would i want to go pci-e for futures sake? |
| 18:49.27 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: 8 ports, sata ii, pci-x (also works in a pci slot) |
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| 18:49.33 | tq|Memphis | xand: files |
| 18:49.39 | xand | tq|Memphis: find or locate |
| 18:49.48 | JordiGH | dpkg asked me if I was using Windows after sending it three malformed queries. :-( |
| 18:49.49 | dpkg | You are moron #44, JordiGH |
| 18:49.50 | tq|Memphis | xand: locate db or? |
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| 18:49.56 | xand | ? |
| 18:50.01 | JordiGH | See! It just did it again! |
| 18:50.04 | amphi | heh |
| 18:50.27 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: well, PCIe would be useful if you plan to use the card in a future system that won't have PCI-X. but since it's only like UKP60, you could just buy a new card then ;) |
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| 18:50.29 | quentusrex | stew, xand, there is no firewall turned on. |
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| 18:50.35 | Gruelius | lol |
| 18:50.38 | xand | quentusrex: are you talking about from the internet? |
| 18:50.46 | Gruelius | i cant find any of those cards with local retailers (AU) |
| 18:50.49 | tq|Memphis | xand: i remember i was adding "db" to locate command |
| 18:50.50 | Gruelius | -stralia |
| 18:51.08 | quentusrex | xand, I have a remotely hosted server. and the smtp connections to it timeout. |
| 18:51.13 | _mary_kate_ | oh, i thought you were in the UK, since you said pounds |
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| 18:51.18 | xand | quentusrex: the ISP probably blocks it. |
| 18:51.25 | Gruelius | ah there was a cage linked to me and the pricetag scared me lol |
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| 18:51.32 | JordiGH | UKP? |
| 18:51.38 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: You mean GBP? |
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| 18:52.08 | JordiGH | Funny that the ISO for the currency doesn't match the ISO for the country... |
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| 18:52.16 | steve_j | hi all |
| 18:52.17 | xand | JordiGH: the iso for the country is gb |
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| 18:52.25 | xand | JordiGH: the tld does not match though :P |
| 18:52.28 | JordiGH | xand: Oh, then it's the TLD that doesn't match. |
| 18:52.37 | steve_j | is there a preferred fastcgi package for etch? i'm setting up nginx and want to server php stuff (wordpress, basically) |
| 18:52.43 | xand | the tld predates the iso code (and gb is a silly abbreviation imo) |
| 18:52.52 | _mary_kate_ | JordiGH: the ISO code for pound sterling (british currency) is GBP |
| 18:52.57 | xand | GB is only 3/4 of the UK :) |
| 18:52.59 | _mary_kate_ | JordiGH: but i say UKP as i'm in the UK ;) |
| 18:53.16 | JordiGH | xand: Lobby ISO, complain when the process is corrupt, threaten to quit ISO. |
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| 18:53.42 | JordiGH | _mary_kate_: This is precisely why ISO exists. Because everyone keeps inventing their own abbreviations. |
| 18:53.49 | JordiGH | Anyways, I'm way offtopic. |
| 18:54.02 | _mary_kate_ | i agree it would be easy to assume i meant Ukranian Pounds |
| 18:54.21 | xand | UKP = UK Pence :) |
| 18:54.25 | JordiGH | P is Cyrillic for R. :P |
| 18:54.28 | teratoma | how can I figure out which files on my machine are not part of any package ? |
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| 18:55.01 | JordiGH | teratoma: Wow. Uhm. I can probably script that, but I don't think there's an easy way to do that. |
| 18:55.14 | xand | anyting in /usr/local and /opt won't be |
| 18:55.17 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: http://www.aussiedeals.com.au/products/SATA2_CONTROLLER_AOC_SAT2_MV8-390197-0.html |
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| 18:55.29 | xingu | Gruelius: if you're looking for recommendations this came reasonably highly rated - http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=121550591314990&w=2 |
| 18:55.29 | JordiGH | teratoma: Are you challenging me to a pipeline duel? |
| 18:55.52 | Gruelius | xingu: thanks |
| 18:56.00 | teratoma | JordiGH: I would be interested in how you do it |
| 18:56.01 | JordiGH | (Actually, I'm not sure I'd be able to fit that into a pipeline. I'd have to script it.) |
| 18:56.07 | xingu | Gruelius: note the ${subject} :) |
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| 18:56.21 | teratoma | i guess i could do a massive find, and compare each file to the package database |
| 18:56.21 | Gruelius | lol |
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| 18:56.48 | JordiGH | teratoma: dpkg --get-selections gives you the list of all packages installed, but you have to massage it a little. Then dpkg -L gives you the files that each package installs. Then yes, do a massive find. |
| 18:57.01 | DarkWizzard | Hello all. I installed Debian but the instalation of the grub bootloader failed.Now I have chrooted to the debian partition and I want to install grub |
| 18:57.11 | xingu | Gruelius: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=121550638915883&w=2 <-- chipset + port config |
| 18:57.21 | JordiGH | DarkWizzard: grub-install, but I forget exactly how to use it. |
| 18:57.21 | jair | Hey guys, if I am running blackbox on my debia etch machine, is there a text base power setttings manager? |
| 18:57.36 | Gruelius | is there a page |
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| 18:57.44 | Gruelius | which lists great good and bad chipsets? |
| 18:57.45 | jair | every 15 minutes the monitor on my machine tries to go sleep (off) |
| 18:57.47 | host1le | hi #debian |
| 18:57.50 | xingu | Gruelius: nb, there's nothing at all wrong with the ich9r/ich10 ... |
| 18:57.55 | host1le | any ibook g4 in the house? |
| 18:57.55 | Gruelius | i found a few pages for the kernel modules but not a definite list |
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| 18:58.14 | Gruelius | xingu: ran out of ports :( c an you get cards which use the ich10 chip in some way? |
| 18:58.27 | Gruelius | i really dont care for the fakeraid support i just need more sata ports lol |
| 18:58.42 | teratoma | i get this error a lot in apt-get, what does it mean? locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 18:58.59 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: intel don't tend to sell their integrated parts separately |
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| 18:59.12 | jair | does anybody know about some kind of command tool where I can see the curret power settings, monitor, hard drive, etc... on the system if I do not have gnome or kde installed. I am running blackbox very lightweight window manager and I love it |
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| 18:59.29 | Gruelius | _mary_kate_: yeah :(. Does the intel thing support those 4-1 sata adaptors? or should i stick away from them |
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| 18:59.51 | JordiGH | teratoma: E.g. this gives you the massive list of everything that dpkg has control over: dpkg --get-selections | grep 'install$' | xargs dpkg -L |
| 18:59.53 | _mary_kate_ | Gruelius: not sure which intel thing you mean of what a 4-1 sata adapter is.. oh, you mean expanders? |
| 19:00.09 | Gruelius | expanders or those hotswap bays which have only one plug |
| 19:00.10 | JordiGH | teratoma: No, wait... |
| 19:00.13 | _mary_kate_ | personally i don't use expanders, but that's because i use solaris and it doesn't support them ;) |
| 19:00.17 | _mary_kate_ | no idea if linux does |
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| 19:00.43 | host1le | linux can do everything |
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| 19:00.50 | DarkWizzard | I have Ubuntu installed and I would like to boot Debian from the same grub menu |
| 19:00.51 | Gruelius | ah i see. Ill probably just go the controller route then. More cables means more cableties :D |
| 19:00.57 | JordiGH | teratoma: better: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v 'deinstall$' | xargs dpkg -L |
| 19:01.06 | DarkWizzard | is it ok to copy the entries from the debian menu.lst in the ubuntu one ? |
| 19:01.10 | DarkWizzard | they are on different disks |
| 19:01.16 | IceD^ | hello, which debian should I use for core2 (I'd prefer to use 64b distro) |
| 19:01.17 | BUMBACL0T | hey, do you think removing gnome'll fuck up my system? |
| 19:01.31 | JordiGH | DarkWizzard: Ubuntu and Debian might and I think do disagree on what the partitions are called. |
| 19:01.36 | Gruelius | darkwizard: as long as the disk are defined the same in the menu it should be right |
| 19:01.51 | DarkWizzard | well, I'll try and see :) |
| 19:01.52 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: No. |
| 19:01.55 | DarkWizzard | brb |
| 19:01.56 | Gruelius | same harddisk different partitions? |
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| 19:02.05 | Gruelius | if its different harddisks i dont see it working |
| 19:02.09 | host1le | BUMBACL0T your nick name is offensive. |
| 19:02.19 | Gruelius | can someone translate the rasta for me |
| 19:02.21 | Gruelius | or pm it |
| 19:02.41 | BUMBACL0T | and how do you check gnome version again |
| 19:02.46 | BUMBACL0T | its been a while, i know |
| 19:03.04 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: "apt-cache policy gnome" |
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| 19:03.32 | BUMBACL0T | thanks |
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| 19:03.46 | JordiGH | np |
| 19:03.47 | host1le | BUMBACL0T do you know what your nickname is |
| 19:04.00 | BUMBACL0T | yeah, i think its a jamaican word |
| 19:04.06 | teratoma | im sure bumbaclot has absolutely no idea ! |
| 19:04.21 | angelblade | BUMBACL0T, speak on english?? |
| 19:04.22 | BUMBACL0T | i heard it somewhere when i was listening to some rap music |
| 19:04.24 | host1le | i dont think he does. |
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| 19:04.34 | teratoma | perhaps he has a low opinion of himself |
| 19:04.36 | host1le | BUMBACL0T its a womans vagina during menstrual cycle. |
| 19:04.37 | BUMBACL0T | asswipe or something, i forgot |
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| 19:04.41 | apt_get | Hi |
| 19:04.54 | apt_get | When Debian will be stable for lenny version? |
| 19:04.57 | teratoma | apt_get: your nick name is stupid |
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| 19:05.27 | host1le | apt_get go ask in #debian |
| 19:05.28 | JordiGH | apt_get: "soon". The official answer though, is... |
| 19:05.38 | JordiGH | !tell apt_get about wir |
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| 19:05.49 | teratoma | this isnt #debian ? |
| 19:05.52 | Neaai | !tell me about wir |
| 19:06.02 | JordiGH | !tell Neaai about self-tell |
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| 19:06.49 | Neaai | JordiGH: oh thanks |
| 19:06.54 | apt_get | ok |
| 19:06.58 | teratoma | does lighttpd still have weirdo memory leaks |
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| 19:07.09 | apt_get | teratoma: stupid? why? |
| 19:07.09 | apt_get | hehehe |
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| 19:07.33 | teratoma | why dont you change your nick to 'debian' |
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| 19:08.02 | apt_get | why u dont have any girlfriend? |
| 19:08.13 | JordiGH | Boys, boys... |
| 19:08.23 | apt_get | ehehe just kidding |
| 19:08.28 | apt_get | joking... |
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| 19:08.40 | host1le | any ibook G4 in the house?? |
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| 19:08.52 | BUMBACL0T | why is it saying this: |
| 19:08.53 | BUMBACL0T | Couldn't find package "libgnome2-*". However, the following |
| 19:08.54 | BUMBACL0T | packages contain "libgnome2-*" in their name: |
| 19:08.54 | BUMBACL0T | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.58 | BUMBACL0T | lol |
| 19:09.04 | BUMBACL0T | tried to paste that as a line |
| 19:09.07 | BUMBACL0T | sorry about that |
| 19:09.11 | host1le | any ibook G4 in the house?? |
| 19:09.19 | BUMBACL0T | im trying to purge gnome |
| 19:09.25 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: You can't use globs in aptitude. |
| 19:09.38 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: Just remove "gnome", aptitude will know its own. |
| 19:09.39 | BUMBACL0T | why not? |
| 19:09.42 | BUMBACL0T | [14:00] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 19:09.44 | BUMBACL0T | oh ok |
| 19:10.10 | BUMBACL0T | i want to remove it including its config files |
| 19:10.20 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: The glob that dpkg told you to use is for you to expand, not bash or aptitude. |
| 19:10.29 | dmoerner | that's just a broken factoid i think |
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| 19:11.14 | BUMBACL0T | tried remove, i still get the same output |
| 19:11.26 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: And you tried what input? |
| 19:11.42 | BUMBACL0T | sudo aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* |
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| 19:11.43 | BUMBACL0T | :D |
| 19:12.01 | black_13 | how would i go about setting a higher refresh rate for my monitor? |
| 19:12.03 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: Alright, you're being an idiot. |
| 19:12.15 | BUMBACL0T | well, if it doesn't support *, then how do i know what to remove? |
| 19:12.39 | JordiGH | BUMBACL0T: "aptitude remove gnome" |
| 19:12.50 | dmoerner | BUMBACL0T, either aptitude remove ~nlibgnome2- ~nlibbonobo2- ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2- or use apt-get in the line dpkg told you |
| 19:12.57 | black_13 | or sorry how would i find out what values HorizSync VertSync i could use for my monitor? |
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| 19:13.24 | JordiGH | black_13: I don't think there's a better method than trial and error. Xorg can query the monitor, but the monitor can lie. :-/ |
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| 19:13.45 | black_13 | i see |
| 19:13.47 | teratoma | what does the ~n mean ? |
| 19:15.05 | DarkWizzard | Ok, so I want to boot Debian from Ubuntu's grub menu |
| 19:15.23 | DarkWizzard | how can I do that ? |
| 19:15.29 | BUMBACL0T | JordiGH, it keeps saying that gnome is not installed |
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| 19:18.19 | jair | if I want to remove older kernels in my list of kernels on debian etch and the list of old kernels appears on the grub boot manu what should I do? dpkg -??? |
| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | jair: update-grub |
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| 19:21.16 | jair | jelly-home: but wait, I haven't remove any old kernel I have a list of five ones and I am using just the latest one which is working fine for me. 2.6.18-6-k7 the other ones are previous version and each time I get an update the system try to update or patch those other kernels too :( |
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| 19:22.03 | jelly-home | jair: so, remove the packages first. |
| 19:22.34 | jaalto | I mistankenly deleted a tag, It's still present on the REMOTE repository. How do find out what commit the tag was associated with so that I can recreate it? |
| 19:22.52 | jelly-home | jair: you can use eg. dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* to see the package names |
| 19:22.55 | jaalto | Never mind, wrong channel. |
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| 19:23.05 | jair | jelly-home: ohh ok |
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| 19:23.40 | jair | jelly-home: so: 1) dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* 2) dpkg-remove 3) update-grub |
| 19:23.47 | BUMBACL0T | Score is -17265 |
| 19:23.52 | BUMBACL0T | what is this |
| 19:23.56 | DarkWizzard | I copied the two debian entries from Debian's menu.lst (grub was installed from chroot from ubuntu) to Ubuntu's menu.lst.But I get an error that it can't mount the partition |
| 19:24.55 | DarkWizzard | They are installed on separate disks |
| 19:25.01 | DarkWizzard | and I can't boot the one with Debian |
| 19:25.10 | DarkWizzard | since it's installed trough a PCI Sata card |
| 19:25.20 | DarkWizzard | and my bios doesn't seem to support booting from it |
| 19:25.22 | jelly-home | jair: I'd use aptitude or apt-get to remove the packages |
| 19:25.40 | DarkWizzard | So I can't boot my newly installed Debian |
| 19:26.24 | jair | jelly-home: ohh ok I can do that, should I do purge or regular deinstall? because purge will get rid of old configurations files... |
| 19:27.26 | DarkWizzard | anyone ? |
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| 19:28.35 | jelly-home | jair: do you know of any important config files for kernel image packages? |
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| 19:29.55 | jair | I think that the configuration files are very important though, what I was referring is that I though that each kernel keeps a group of configuration files but that is not practical so you may be right, I will not do the purge :( |
| 19:30.14 | jair | jelly-home: I think that the configuration files are very important though, what I was referring is that I though that each kernel keeps a group of configuration files but that is not practical so you may be right, I will not do the purge :( |
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| 19:32.08 | jelly-home | jair: there are no conffiles in those, at all; just purge them |
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| 19:33.15 | jair | jelly-home: alright |
| 19:33.20 | jair | jelly-home: Thank you so much |
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| 19:34.23 | jair | jelly-home: I will try on a virtual machine to see how it goes |
| 19:34.24 | jair | :) |
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| 19:50.06 | jair | jelly-home: works nicely |
| 19:50.30 | jair | jelly-home: it looks like I don't even have to run the command update-grub, because apt-get remove runs it |
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| 19:52.23 | syrex | www.radiorecargate.tk el mejor chat on line ;) |
| 19:52.26 | syrex | www.radiorecargate.tk el mejor chat on line ;) |
| 19:52.30 | syrex | www.radiorecargate.tk el mejor chat on line ;) |
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| 19:55.17 | ma3x | why java -version shows that i have installed java version "1.5.0" |
| 19:55.17 | ma3x | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 19:55.22 | ma3x | when i have installed 1.6 as package |
| 19:55.30 | abrotman | ma3x: update-java-alternatives |
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| 19:56.59 | blubberdi | do they have routing problems near seattle or something? i can't access the debian BTS due to my packets getting lost on the way there somewhere :/ |
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| 19:57.47 | abrotman | blubberdi: this isn't #isp-issues |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | blubberdi: IOW .. works fine here |
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| 19:58.31 | blubberdi | sorry |
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| 20:02.05 | colonel_newb | does anyone here know what binary handles excution of .desktop files in kde4 ? |
| 20:03.14 | abrotman | colonel_newb: ask #kde or #debian-kde |
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| 20:03.30 | colonel_newb | thx ill do that |
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| 20:04.13 | blubberdi | so is there a way to configure apt-listbugs to use a proxy which is different from the proxy configured for the rest of the system? |
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| 20:05.50 | giupy | hi all |
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| 20:07.01 | abrotman | blubberdi: http_proxy=foo apt-listbugs ? |
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| 20:07.25 | arikonm | hi all! does anyone have a dell laptop here? |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | lots of people, ask a better question |
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| 20:08.15 | arikonm | ok, could anyone got the intel 3945ABG working on it? |
| 20:08.42 | abrotman | are you having a specific problem with it? |
| 20:08.50 | arikonm | I cannot even switch on the the stuff with Fn+F2 |
| 20:08.50 | blubberdi | abrotman, yeah, maybe, let me see, if i can put that into apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs or something (and find a suitable proxy in advance) |
| 20:08.51 | abrotman | and which version of debian do you have? |
| 20:08.59 | giupy | i have recompiled 2.6.26 and my wifi usb card is recognized but i can't get a net card with wifi in iwconfig |
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| 20:09.09 | giupy | what do i need ? |
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| 20:09.19 | arikonm | abrotman, I have testing, with... umm.. sec |
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| 20:09.31 | arikonm | 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel |
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| 20:10.06 | arikonm | I'm typing from a different pc, that's why I might answere a bit slower |
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| 20:10.48 | arikonm | abrotman, I've installed firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 20:10.53 | arikonm | I have the modul loaded |
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| 20:11.10 | abrotman | why do you have lenny with etch's kernel ? |
| 20:11.20 | arikonm | but I cannot associate with the AP |
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| 20:11.35 | arikonm | abrotman, should I upgrade the kernel to 2.6.26 ? |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | probably .. linux-image-686 for example might be good |
| 20:12.30 | arikonm | ok, I'll try.. brb in a few minutes, I set up the tunneling (ethernet works at least :) ) |
| 20:13.22 | AbsintheSyringe | arikonm, I had 3945 working on etch, so aptitude install ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 firmware-ipw3945 |
| 20:13.26 | AbsintheSyringe | or whatever your kernel is |
| 20:13.32 | AbsintheSyringe | that's how you would do it on etch |
| 20:13.52 | AbsintheSyringe | modprobe iwl3945 and you gotta see it |
| 20:14.04 | arikonm | etch still uses ipw ? |
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| 20:14.36 | AbsintheSyringe | dunno, first of all I'm on the etch, and second I'm on 3945 anymore, but still got that notebook |
| 20:14.42 | AbsintheSyringe | just install the framework and you'll be fine |
| 20:14.48 | abrotman | yes etch does .. |
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| 20:15.00 | AbsintheSyringe | there you go |
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| 20:15.21 | AbsintheSyringe | what I would suggest is you do this excatly |
| 20:15.24 | arikonm | so the real problem might be that I'm using an old kernel? |
| 20:15.25 | abrotman | etchnhalf can use iwl |
| 20:15.31 | acidslep | you just mademe think of something, can you atomize absinthe? |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | the original etch kernel uses ipw |
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| 20:15.50 | AbsintheSyringe | aptitude install ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-`uname -r` firmware-ipw3945 |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | that's for the .18 kernel in etch .. which he isn't using |
| 20:16.23 | acidslep | sounds like a bad idea. anyways, how do i mark a package as being manually installed (i 'make install'ed it) in apt? |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 20:16.25 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | see! |
| 20:16.36 | abrotman | !tell arikonm about iwlwifi |
| 20:16.37 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, if he did the right way, what's the problem then? |
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| 20:16.44 | AbsintheSyringe | yea good one |
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| 20:17.18 | arikonm | abrotman, that's what exactly I1ve done, but it's ain't working |
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| 20:17.37 | abrotman | arikonm: which is why i mentioned the kernel .. |
| 20:17.57 | arikonm | yes, I'm apt-getting the new one as we speak |
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| 20:19.38 | arikonm | rebooting the other one to 2.6.26 |
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| 20:25.46 | arikonm | abrotman, I still cannot associate with AP |
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| 20:26.16 | arikonm | it says in the first line of dmesg according to this: Initial auth_alg=0 |
| 20:26.32 | AbsintheSyringe | arikonm, pppoeconf? |
| 20:27.02 | arikonm | what's PPPoE ? |
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| 20:28.24 | AbsintheSyringe | arikonm, aptitude show pppoeconf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pppoe |
| 20:28.41 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: he's just trying to associate with his wifi router |
| 20:28.55 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, oh, k |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | arikonm: but it's at least loading the ifrmware? |
| 20:29.18 | arikonm | yeah, that's why I was wondering what does this have to do with my wifi oO |
| 20:29.33 | arikonm | abrotman, yes, as far as I see |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | arikonm: can you scan for APs now using iwlist ? |
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| 20:30.00 | arikonm | yes |
| 20:30.09 | abrotman | and yours is there, but no workie? |
| 20:30.12 | arikonm | I can see the router I'm trying to connect |
| 20:30.21 | arikonm | nope, I cannot associate |
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| 20:30.41 | arikonm | I can set essid |
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| 20:30.47 | arikonm | but I cannot set the AP |
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| 20:30.57 | arikonm | Link Quality is 0 too |
| 20:32.11 | arikonm | btw the wifi led is glowing, and if I rmmod iwl3945, it goes off, and comes up again when I modprobe it |
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| 20:33.19 | Maulkin | arikonm: have you run "ifconfig wlan0 up" ? |
| 20:33.30 | arikonm | yes, I've run ifup wlan0 |
| 20:33.37 | Maulkin | That's different :) |
| 20:33.46 | Maulkin | And you may need to manually associate with the ap |
| 20:34.02 | Maulkin | ie: use iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:02:02:FF:FF:F1 or something |
| 20:34.25 | arikonm | yes, I run iwconfig wlan0 ap xyz, but it's still Not-Associated |
| 20:34.35 | edju | Is it correct that etch does not recognize the nvidia nforce ethernet controller? |
| 20:34.43 | Maulkin | What does dmesg | tail say? |
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| 20:36.35 | Maulkin | edju: no. Use the forcedeth driver, or the binary one from nvidia's site |
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| 20:37.38 | nxmehta | do i need to restart udev when i'm hotplugging in a hdd? it doesn't seem to pick up the drive unless udev is restarted... |
| 20:38.18 | Eulex | you shouldn't |
| 20:38.28 | edju | Maulkin, Oh, thanks. Do you know if forcedeth is on the list of the etch install? |
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| 20:38.53 | arikonm | well, it now says wlan0: link is not ready (I've run ifconfig wlan0 up) |
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| 20:39.09 | Maulkin | edju: it is. |
| 20:39.38 | Eulex | arikonm, have you connected to an access point, by pointing it to an appropriate essid or mac adress? |
| 20:39.39 | edju | Maulkin, Great. Going to move from ubuntu to the Mothership! |
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| 20:39.52 | Maulkin | :) |
| 20:40.01 | arikonm | Eulex, that's what I'm trying to do by hand, but it's not working |
| 20:40.12 | nxmehta | Eulex: hmmm, maybe there's a problem with the sata driver for my controller. when unplugging the drive, after umounting all i need to do is just yank it out, right? |
| 20:40.14 | Eulex | arikonm, iwconfig wlan0 essid foo? |
| 20:40.24 | arikonm | I can set essid |
| 20:40.27 | arikonm | it's there |
| 20:40.43 | Eulex | arikonm, does iwconfig show the mac address of it? |
| 20:41.18 | Eulex | nxmehta, ah, sata hotplugging. never tinkered with that, although it should work just like with external usb etc drives |
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| 20:44.04 | arikonm | Eulex, iwconfig says: wlan0 IEE 802.11 ESSID:"otthonirouter" Mode: Managed Freq.. : 2.437 Ghz: Access Point: Not-Associated L etc. etc. Link Quality : 0 |
| 20:44.35 | arikonm | and it lists the encryption key too I've configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:44.35 | Eulex | arikonm, note 'Not-Associated', this means that you are not connected to the access point. |
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| 20:45.06 | arikonm | Eulex no wonder, I'm here because of this now for almost an hour :D |
| 20:45.36 | arikonm | dmesg says authentication with AP xyz timed out |
| 20:45.38 | arikonm | but why? |
| 20:45.51 | arikonm | and initial auth_alg=0 |
| 20:46.14 | Eulex | arikonm, I could perhaps help you, but I gotta go do some personal stuff. but in any case, make sure that the encryption is configured correctly. |
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| 20:46.54 | arikonm | do I need to set anything other then in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:47.09 | Eulex | WEP or WPA? |
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| 20:51.28 | arikonm | Eulex, WEP |
| 20:51.42 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:51.43 | HardDisk_WP | tcp 0 1 85.25.68.44:31337 212.202.176.3:63376 FIN_WAIT1 - |
| 20:51.43 | HardDisk_WP | tcp 0 1 85.25.68.44:31337 212.202.176.3:63386 FIN_WAIT1 - |
| 20:51.54 | HardDisk_WP | these two connections keep being open in netstat |
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| 20:52.05 | HardDisk_WP | though the server for this program has closed down, and 5min passed |
| 20:52.09 | HardDisk_WP | how do I kill off them? |
| 20:52.18 | HardDisk_WP | my server can't restart, address in use |
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| 20:52.23 | muddd | my video adapter is currently running at 4x how do I make it run at 8x? where do i start to read about this? |
| 20:52.26 | Eulex | arikonm, /etc/network/interfaces should suffice then. |
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| 20:54.23 | acemi | HardDisk_WP: what is your server application? |
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| 20:55.04 | HardDisk_WP | acemi, selfwritten php...nvm, problem vanished, connections somehow dropped :) |
| 20:55.37 | acemi | there is a SO_REUSEADDR option for socket, use this |
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| 21:08.08 | Pabix | Hello. I'm trying to upgrade my sid to kde4, but aptitude is refusing to do it, saying that packages are not installable. |
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| 21:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | acemi, thx |
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| 21:12.35 | Zeroyez | How do I run terminal as another user |
| 21:13.06 | zinx | with su or sudo or something similar |
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| 21:14.13 | Zeroyez | ah didn't know you could do su -l username |
| 21:14.20 | Zeroyez | that's cool |
| 21:15.17 | trifler | -rw-r--r-- is what in digits? :S |
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| 21:15.37 | _mary_kate_ | 644 |
| 21:15.41 | trifler | ty |
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| 21:19.08 | PMT | I have a problem with a Debian Xen guest spitting out "Bad page state in process" repeatedly and eventually requiring an xm destroy. This is the only guest on the system where it occurs. Is this the right place to look for people who know what's going on? |
| 21:19.58 | ewet | *g* |
| 21:21.12 | sparr | How can I build from source a package in the same way that the package maintainers do? That is, I want my foo-1.4_sparr.deb to be a drop in replacement for their foo-1.4.deb, including dependencies, etc |
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| 21:22.27 | PMT | sparr - dpkg-buildpackage is the tool you want. |
| 21:22.34 | PMT | It's in debscripts if I remember correctly. |
| 21:22.43 | dmoerner | it's in dpkg-dev |
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| 21:23.16 | dmoerner | sparr, apt-get source foo-1.4 and make your edits, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
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| 21:23.50 | sparr | ok, seems easy enough. now what if i want to build foo-1.5? |
| 21:24.16 | sparr | and make it a replacement for their foo-1.4 (except for things that depend in version 1.4 or lower, obviously)? |
| 21:24.41 | dmoerner | sparr, install devscripts and man uscan and man uupdate to package a new upstream version; if it doesn't have a debian/watch file you will have to do it manually. have you read maint-guide? |
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| 21:26.15 | sparr | i have not. i don't plan to publish my packages, im just tired of building foo from scratch, then later having packages that depend on foo refuse to install |
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| 21:26.53 | ewet | sparr: maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 helps |
| 21:26.54 | dmoerner | sparr, you can use equivs to solve that if you don't want to bother with debian packaging |
| 21:27.08 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell sparr -about equivs |
| 21:27.25 | jelly-home | sparr: from scratch? not using something like /msg dpkg ssb ? |
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| 21:31.20 | sparr | dpkg doesnt seem to know ssb? |
| 21:31.44 | sparr | thanks for the advice all |
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| 21:32.09 | mtllc22 | hi |
| 21:32.12 | dmoerner | sparr, yes, it does |
| 21:32.13 | dmoerner | !ssb |
| 21:32.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 21:32.17 | mtllc22 | this debian.org is off ? |
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| 21:32.48 | jelly-home | mtllc22: what? |
| 21:33.31 | mtllc22 | sory my inglish. the www.debian.org not open |
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| 21:33.55 | sparr | well, then dpkg is ignoring my msgs (which seems to be the case) |
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| 21:34.30 | sparr | jelly: err, ssb is for stuff in sid? im building newer things |
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| 21:35.21 | jelly-home | sparr: but still you hopefully use existing packages as a base |
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| 21:36.07 | arikonm | ummm... how come I get different modes on the wifi cell from two different pc ? oO |
| 21:36.15 | sparr | jelly: how would i do that? |
| 21:36.16 | arikonm | this one says Mode is Managed |
| 21:36.25 | arikonm | other pc says Mode is Master |
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| 21:36.32 | acidslep | thats not of the cell i think |
| 21:36.37 | acidslep | thats of the device |
| 21:36.46 | _AleX_ | hi all! I've just find this excellent free software, The Multi-Pointer X Server : http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=mpx . Is MPX available on Debian ? |
| 21:36.49 | jelly-home | sparr: apt-get source, and uupdate |
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| 21:37.25 | acidslep | probably alex |
| 21:37.39 | sparr | jelly-home: i recall trying to run a cvs (or svn?) update on top of an apt-get source directory, many years ago. it did not end well. |
| 21:38.15 | jelly-home | sparr: that's not what I suggested |
| 21:38.18 | _AleX_ | acidslep: apt-cache search give no result, and i'm using etch ... |
| 21:38.46 | sparr | ok, i assumed uupdate was a typo |
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| 21:39.48 | sparr | so i would keep an apt-get source directory and a separate svn/git directory, and uupdate with the svn directory as the source? |
| 21:39.55 | acidslep | there is not a package for it, but you should be able to isntall it right to debian, without extra steps, alex |
| 21:40.46 | jelly-home | sparr: it depends on the quality of the current packaging; you would likely rtfm |
| 21:41.03 | sparr | well, thanks, knowing it exists helps |
| 21:41.14 | sparr | i had never heard of uupdate before |
| 21:41.39 | _AleX_ | acidslep: sure, MPX works on ubuntu ... but i prefer to install it with a package rather than manually |
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| 21:43.00 | acidslep | i dont think there is a package for it. you should make one |
| 21:43.02 | acidslep | :) |
| 21:43.28 | jelly-home | sparr: I see dmoerner already suggested it 15 minutes ago |
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| 21:43.48 | _AleX_ | apparently making this package need knowlegde in X, and it's not my case |
| 21:44.17 | sparr | yes, the first ive heard of it. this has been most educational |
| 21:44.37 | sparr | i will likely not bother, seems like a lot more trouble than just force-installing on the occasions where it's a problem |
| 21:44.42 | sparr | but it's good to know |
| 21:45.17 | jelly-home | sparr: basically you apt-get source foo; cd foo-*; uupdate ../foo-newest.tar.gz and hope for the best / fix issues |
| 21:45.47 | sparr | yeah, that will seriously overcomplicate my presently easy build process |
| 21:45.57 | jelly-home | depending on upstream changes, it might be a trivial build, or it might not |
| 21:46.06 | faheem_ | Hi. I'm having some weirdness with epiphany on lenny when printing. There are chinese characters printed at the top and the bottom. I have't done anything different with it. Took a look at tbe BTS, doesn't see anything similar. |
| 21:46.43 | sparr | faheem_: sounds like a postscript problem. i cant help beyond that, but maybe it will make for better googling? |
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| 21:47.56 | sparr | right now i just edit, make, make install. i was hoping for some trivial addition to that to keep a package updated, but it sounds like id be adding a lot of [slow] steps to the process to do it "right" |
| 21:48.58 | dandc | I'm trying to send mail, but I get a bounce saying "Unrouteable address". The name resolves to the correct ip, and that IP is listening for smtp, so what gives? |
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| 21:50.29 | HardDisk_WP | acemi, hmm... SO_REUSEADDR only works on TIME_WAIT sockets |
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| 21:51.33 | jelly-home | sparr: doing what /msg dpkg ssb says + an uupdate step in theory isn't that complicated; I prefer it to the mess that may arise out of building upon self-installed stuff |
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| 21:52.36 | jelly-home | sparr: however if you only update apps, not libraries, or a relatively isolated set of sources, /usr/local can be good enough |
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| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | sparr: just don't configure with --prefix=/usr ;-) |
| 21:53.07 | Killabeez | hey guys, im thinking of switching to debian.. the only issue i have so far is that i am using openSuSE - it very easily detects my wifi usb adapter i have to use since my nic card is blown |
| 21:53.25 | sparr | jelly: complicated no, but slow. right now it takes me a few seconds to test a new change. if i had to add an uupdate, package, install every time it would stretch 5 seconds into minutes |
| 21:53.31 | Killabeez | is there anyway i can find out what driver and software SuSE is using so i can make the switch to debian easier? |
| 21:53.52 | sajes | Killabeez: lsmod |
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| 21:54.55 | faheem_ | sparr: Shows up on two different machines, with different printer setups. |
| 21:55.17 | faheem_ | sparr: Re epiphany printer issue. |
| 21:55.22 | Killabeez | sajes: i see a rndis_wlan? |
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| 21:56.09 | Killabeez | sajes: stock kernel as of 2.6.25 |
| 21:56.12 | Killabeez | sajes: ? |
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| 21:57.07 | gewt | . |
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| 22:02.16 | bbto | hi, iwoul like to get some free space on my HDD. already use aptitude clean but need more space any help? |
| 22:03.03 | sajes | bbto: Buy a bigger hard drive. |
| 22:03.21 | bbto | any other brilliant idea? |
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| 22:03.56 | sajes | bbto: Check out your log files. Those could be relatively huge, depending on how old your install is. |
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| 22:17.55 | jpinx | my laptop goes into suspend after some minutes and occasionally (like now) it loses screen resolutio when it resumes. How can I reset the resolution without rebooting? |
| 22:18.27 | jpinx | puts his glasses on..... |
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| 22:18.36 | jelly-home | jpinx: which debian release? |
| 22:18.45 | jpinx | lenny |
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| 22:19.02 | jelly-home | jpinx: well, you can try xrandr |
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| 22:20.05 | jpinx | jelly-home: that did something, but not resolved the resolution. |
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| 22:20.52 | jpinx | jelly-home: it's telling me 1024x768 60.0* , but it's not actually looking like that |
| 22:20.55 | jelly-home | jpinx: what did something? |
| 22:21.11 | jpinx | jelly-home: xrandr |
| 22:21.32 | jelly-home | jpinx: that'll only report (what it thinks are) the current settings |
| 22:22.03 | jelly-home | jpinx: you can use it to change to some other resolution, and back, for example |
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| 22:22.06 | jpinx | yes - and they tell me 1024x768 - which is correct, but the screen still looks like shit |
| 22:22.42 | jpinx | jelly-home: what's the syntax to change the resolution? |
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| 22:23.15 | jpinx | I'll go to 800x60 and then back again |
| 22:23.24 | jpinx | *600 |
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| 22:26.05 | jpinx | reboots |
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| 22:32.11 | jelly-home | jpinx: you can also try switching to console and back; if both fail, some tweaking might be needed to work around the issue (like, making the system switch to console before entering suspend). |
| 22:32.16 | jelly-home | ah |
| 22:32.56 | foo | Can someone help me tackle this high load issue? CPU bottleneck. CPU usage in user space is ~98%. Box not swapping. Box runs apache/mysql. There is 40 apache procs. Load around 40-50. I see no reason for this... no fragmented mysql tables. Apache procs appear to be using a lot of CPU in top. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:33.38 | pipeline | foo: sounds cut and dry to me dude |
| 22:33.44 | pipeline | foo: apache is eating a lot of CPU, ergo you're under load |
| 22:34.02 | dvs | Why 40 processes? |
| 22:34.07 | foo | pipeline: ergo ? Yes, apache is ... but why. I'm wondering if this is bad code |
| 22:34.10 | dvs | I thought the default was 10. |
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| 22:34.25 | foo | dvs: 40 apache children... oh, because, it grew :) ... there are people on the site ... |
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| 22:34.39 | dvs | oh ok |
| 22:34.40 | pipeline | foo: what's the problem ? |
| 22:34.41 | jelly-home | foo: serving a single vhost? |
| 22:34.48 | pipeline | foo: code has to execute :P |
| 22:34.52 | foo | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:34.56 | dvs | If people are currently using it then I don't see a problem. |
| 22:34.57 | jelly-home | foo: php? |
| 22:35.00 | foo | jelly-home: yes |
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| 22:35.35 | jelly-home | php-mysql apps can often be horribly written |
| 22:36.24 | jelly-home | profile your app; I have absolutely no idea how this is done with php |
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| 22:36.55 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 22:37.11 | DukeDrake | I just got started with a tutorial on compiling a kernel |
| 22:37.31 | DukeDrake | I guess there'S a type, as it says "apt-get install task-tclt" , but there is no package "task-tclt" |
| 22:37.39 | DukeDrake | Anyone know which package they could mean? |
| 22:37.49 | jelly-home | foo: or if you want a quick and dirty hack, try using one of the php accelerator thingies (eAccelerator, xcache, dunno what's the free accel. of the day) |
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| 22:38.06 | foo | jelly-home: gotcha, thanks, checkin' into something |
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| 22:39.17 | dvs | DukeDrake: no clue. What version of Debian was the tutorial written for? |
| 22:40.10 | DukeDrake | oh |
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| 22:40.20 | adb | DukeDrake: URL ? |
| 22:40.21 | DukeDrake | I should have checked that, first .. ^^ "2.2" |
| 22:40.29 | DukeDrake | http://www.tux.org/~tbr/debiankernelpkg/ |
| 22:40.49 | jelly-home | foo: have you checked your access logs and apache's server-status page for anything obviously suspicious? |
| 22:40.53 | dvs | DukeDrake: I'm looking at the link now. I don't think you need that package. |
| 22:40.59 | foo | jelly-home: yeah, I think I found it... will let you know, thanks! |
| 22:41.05 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 22:41.28 | ma3x | i have java version "1.5.0" |
| 22:41.29 | ma3x | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 22:41.38 | ma3x | can debian use the NOT gnu version? |
| 22:41.41 | ma3x | and how do i install it? |
| 22:43.27 | dvs | ma3x: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk |
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| 22:47.53 | ma3x | dvs why not java 6? |
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| 22:49.03 | dvs | ma3x: you need etch-backports for that. |
| 22:49.20 | ma3x | dvs i use tsting |
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| 22:49.35 | dvs | ma3x: it's in testing too |
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| 22:50.08 | ma3x | dvs java version "1.5.0" |
| 22:50.08 | ma3x | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 22:50.12 | ma3x | it uses again the gnu version |
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| 22:50.40 | dvs | ma3x: you need to use the update-alternatives command |
| 22:51.12 | ma3x | dvs with what -switch? |
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| 22:52.25 | dvs | ma3x: --config java |
| 22:55.26 | ma3x | thanks dudeeee |
| 22:55.39 | abrotman | ma3x: i told you *hours* ago how to fix that |
| 22:55.39 | dvs | np |
| 22:55.48 | dvs | abrotman: that doesn't surprise me |
| 22:55.50 | ma3x | abrotman: nope, you told me some other command like: |
| 22:55.57 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives |
| 22:56.01 | ma3x | yeah |
| 22:56.03 | ma3x | whi's not the same |
| 22:56.10 | dvs | o_O |
| 22:56.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.27 | ma3x | update-alternatives is better |
| 22:56.30 | dvs | abrotman: I don't have that command. |
| 22:56.36 | abrotman | dvs: in lenny/sid |
| 22:56.42 | dvs | ah. ok. |
| 22:56.54 | dvs | I'm using an etch machine right now. |
| 22:57.50 | bildpunkt | which is the best way to create a 1 pixel jpeg from a specific color? |
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| 23:05.32 | oklinux | can some one post me a link on how to install flash and java |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | !tell oklinux about install java |
| 23:06.03 | abrotman | !tell oklinux about dmm |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | !tell oklinux about adobe flash |
| 23:06.13 | oklinux | thanks |
| 23:06.15 | oklinux | abrotman, |
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| 23:09.40 | mrfree | hi all |
| 23:09.42 | mrfree | I'm using lenny |
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| 23:09.55 | Deepa|Away | What user is the pure-ftpd-mysql run as? |
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| 23:10.13 | mrfree | the kernel crash after some net work.. |
| 23:10.29 | mrfree | and for example "modprobe -r ne" segfault |
| 23:11.01 | DukeDrake | How can I produce an uncompressed kernel? |
| 23:11.11 | DukeDrake | (what flag do I need?) |
| 23:11.37 | mrfree | please take a look here http://pastebin.com/d4c493558 |
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| 23:11.56 | mrfree | so I'd like to try another kernel version |
| 23:12.17 | mrfree | can I use stable (etch) kernel on lenny? |
| 23:12.18 | mrfree | how? |
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| 23:18.07 | valdyn | mrfree: not |
| 23:18.28 | valdyn | mrfree: probably the etchnhalf kernel though |
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| 23:18.38 | valdyn | mrfree: but why would do this? |
| 23:18.50 | mrfree | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d4c493558 |
| 23:18.57 | mrfree | it crashes |
| 23:19.08 | mrfree | memtest reports no error |
| 23:19.34 | mrfree | after a while |
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| 23:20.54 | valdyn | mrfree: get some more crashes, if you keep getting different stack traces, then its not a kernel bug.. |
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| 23:22.06 | mbrush | does anyone know why the following command doesn't work? |
| 23:22.08 | mbrush | mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/var/fusion/testdir=ro:/var/fusion/testdir2=ro:/var/fusion/testdir3=ro:/var/fusion/local=rw unionfs "/var/fusion/fused" |
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| 23:22.29 | mbrush | it's seems to be a problem with multiple =ro ... the result is the mount usage message |
| 23:22.48 | valdyn | mrfree: the 2 traces you posted look completely unrelated to me... |
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| 23:23.32 | valdyn | warn_on_slowpath+0x40/0x66 is not exactly a crash though |
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| 23:24.05 | mrfree | valdyn, eth0 is using ne module |
| 23:24.13 | mrfree | so after the first crash |
| 23:24.24 | mrfree | I run modprobe -r ne |
| 23:24.29 | mrfree | and... segmentation fault |
| 23:25.02 | valdyn | mrfree: that also hints at this not being a kernel problem |
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| 23:25.46 | mrfree | valdyn, which test can I make? |
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| 23:25.59 | valdyn | mrfree: but talk is moot, i cant dissect this trace for you, i can just assure you that getting different kinds of stack traces kind of proves hardware issues, not kernel issues |
| 23:26.21 | valdyn | mrfree: use gcc to compile a kernel, see if the compiler segfaults or gives "internal compiler error" |
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| 23:26.37 | valdyn | mrfree: or compile whatever - gcc is a decent test of stability |
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| 23:30.53 | mrfree | valdyn, ok I'll make some tests |
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| 23:31.01 | mbrush | does anyone have experience with unionfs |
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| 23:32.45 | mih | anybody using dpt_i2o and is able to hotswap using this driver? it wont recognize any new devices here |
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| 23:36.22 | lavren | Hello |
| 23:36.38 | lavren | Any reason why trying to mmap() /dev/kmem fails on debian/ubuntu? |
| 23:36.45 | lavren | Is this a known issue, or security measure? |
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| 23:36.50 | mih | anybody using dpt_i2o and is able to hotswap using this driver? it wont recognize any new devices here |
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| 23:47.28 | saam | hello |
| 23:47.32 | saam | is this syntax right |
| 23:47.33 | saam | if [ ${i}.tar.gz = ${j} ] |
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| 23:48.23 | Zeroyez | am I able to get fglrx help here? (I'm installing it on Lenny) |
| 23:48.42 | lavren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.19 | Zeroyez | Meh, what am I thinking...video drivers on a linux OS are useless |
| 23:50.19 | pipeline | Zeroyez: sometimes. Ask a question. Sometimes you get an answer. Asking questions about questions is usually less productive. |
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| 23:51.46 | Zeroyez | Ok, well I'm having trouble installing the kernel driver (I was told this was it) for fglrx. I used the automatic installer, and fglrxinfo shows Mesa Project instead of my ATI Radeon HD 4800 series card |
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| 23:52.22 | Zeroyez | Currently, whenever I move a window with scrollbars or use a scrollbar, my video lags to nothing |
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| 23:56.08 | Zeroyez | I'm 90% sure it's because I have an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe motherboard, which is the buggiest mobo to exist |
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