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00:02.48DukeDrakeis it possible to aling a new kernel config to the config of the current kernel?
00:03.19gcbirzanYou should have the config in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
00:03.37simonrvn/boot/config-$(uname -r) is the current on. cp that
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00:03.57DukeDrakemh ... I'm afraid I have only the kernel file itself
00:04.56gewt...
00:05.01gewtthe partitioner stalled
00:05.06gewtor not
00:05.18simonrvndebian kernels don't do this, but try catting /proc/config.gz
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00:07.22DukeDrakesimonrvn: nope ... no such file
00:07.46gcbirzanActually, debian kernels do that.
00:07.56simonrvnORLY? nice
00:08.10simonrvni thought they didn't to save on space
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00:08.58gcbirzanAh, wait, I misread
00:09.12DukeDrakeor is there a way to set up a default menuconfig for 'old' CPUs?
00:09.25simonrvndefconfig
00:09.31DukeDrakehm?
00:09.34simonrvnit already does basic 386 iirc
00:09.47DukeDrakewhat's defconfig?
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00:10.00simonrvnmake help in the source
00:10.40DukeDrake(the CPU Type was set to core2 by default)
00:10.58simonrvno_O
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00:11.16simonrvnthey must've changed that then. used to default to 386
00:11.43DukeDrake"Core 2/newer Xeon"
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00:12.59simonrvnok, so do defconfig anyway, and run menuconfig after, then. at least it can give you some defaults. OR, get a linux-image .deb for your CPU, unpack it, then fetch the config* file from the $(pwd)/boot
00:13.49simonrvndpkg -x foo.deb . will unpack into PWD; might want to cd /tmp first
00:13.49dpkgbugger all, i dunno, simonrvn
00:14.03DukeDrakesimonrvn: the defconfig set the CPU-type back to Core 2 %)
00:14.21simonrvnok, do 2) then
00:14.36simonrvnmumbles something about sane defaults
00:14.39DukeDrakeWhere can I get one?
00:14.49simonrvnany debian mirror
00:14.52simonrvn!mirrors
00:14.52dpkgdebian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
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00:41.48DukeDrakemh .. I'm a bit lost in the /debian/pool/main
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00:42.09DukeDrakewhere can I find an appropriate .deb linux image for my CPU?
00:42.15S-i-Ahi all
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00:43.07S-i-Acan anyone tell me what is wrong by compiling midori under Lenny? http://paste.debian.net/21009/plain/21009
00:43.27DeepaHow do I find out what user pure-ftpd-mysql is supposed to be run as?
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00:46.06wintix!ops rose28ans onjoin spam
00:46.07dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: rose28ans onjoin spam
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00:59.06mihanybody hotswapping scsi under linux , especially with dpt_i2o? do i really need to patch my dpt_i2o.c in order to make it rescan the bus, it wont rescan as it wont reload the module when root is scsi(mod in use)
00:59.25mihtried rescan-scsi-bus.sh and scsiadd
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01:01.50axelarshey
01:02.08axelarsi try to set open dns for my debian
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01:02.52axelarshttp://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 this address is okey
01:02.52axelarsfor open dns
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01:04.07axelarshttp://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 this address is okey
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01:05.09GhostlyDeath_Someone screwed up SSH!
01:05.12simonrvnWELCOME BACK
01:05.22GhostlyDeath_SSH w/ gedit and nautilus
01:05.23DeepaGhostlyDeath_, old news
01:05.25axelarsis it clone ?
01:05.38GhostlyDeath_Goes crazy and uses an entire core
01:05.58axelarshey
01:06.05axelarsi try to use open dns
01:06.18axelarshttp://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 this address is okey
01:06.38simonrvnaxelars: STOP
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01:07.19axelarsi said something that diseppear
01:07.51BlimeWhat is installed when you choose "standard system" at the debian installer software selection?
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01:08.15gonzaloaf_laptophello, where do I have to add things to do at boot?
01:08.16BlimeWhat if I DON'T select it? I'm kinda aiming towards a minimal setup...
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01:12.28ice799Hi - I am using debian etch and I have an ext3 partition which is exported via NFS for some clients on an internal network
01:12.47ice799I'd like to create a hot-backup of this system, is there any easy way to replicate the data to another server?
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01:17.47gewt{desktop}Is there a guide to configureing X and vidoe drievrs?
01:17.48tojekBlime: In aptitude, under 'virtual tasks' or the like, you can see what packages will be installed. Installing without checking any of them works fine-- you'll get a very minimal installation.
01:17.53gewt{desktop}As I'm stuff at 640x480
01:17.56gewt{desktop}stuck*
01:18.36gewt{desktop}The video card is a built-in ATI radeon 200
01:19.05tojekgewt{desktop}: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:19.26tojekYou may have to switch it to xorg-xserver-- I never remember it right.
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01:21.12jpinxwhen you run netselect-apt it doesn't refer to the version of Debian you are using and writes a wrong sources.list file
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01:21.31c0m1hi everyone
01:21.36jpinxis this a bug or a feature?
01:22.24jpinxI am using lenny and it wrote a sources.list file for stable
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01:25.04gewtLinux 2.6.18-6-486
01:25.16gewtshouldn't it be a 686 kernel?
01:28.33tojekgonzaloaf_laptop: You could try running, as root, rcconf. For more info, man rcconf
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01:33.06gewthttp://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7
01:33.19gewtthe 3rd gpg key improt command fails
01:33.30ma3xto what package does /usr/bin/javac belong?
01:33.32ma3xit's pissing me off
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01:34.18gewtgpg --armor --export  6A423791| apt-key add - us *NOT* owkring ><
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01:53.49nohelphere{s}I installed compiz-fusion (kind of unofficial i guess) and nwo whenever i use a nromal GNOME session my monitor says "Out of scan rainge"
01:55.28nohelphere{s}any colutions other than buying a monitor that cna support it>
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02:04.46zinxgewt{s}: where did you install it from?
02:05.07zinxgewt{s}: the problem is the X server and/or the X server configuration, not compiz
02:05.14zinxgewt{s}: and not your monitor.
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02:10.06kompulsa_dot_comHello.
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02:12.13lfaraoneHey, does processer speed matter too much when using L2TP or PPTP? (in the server )
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02:14.38CPUlordwow alot of people here
02:14.41stonedahh crap
02:15.34stonedI have to downgrade my flash to v9
02:15.34CPUlordjust downloaded this program
02:15.34stonedCPUlord, which program?
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02:15.34CPUlordwell an os
02:15.34stonedCPUlord, debian is an operatin system not just a program
02:15.34CPUlordacking os
02:15.35stonedthere ya go buddy
02:15.35CPUlordhacking os
02:15.35CPUlordjust looking around at the programs
02:15.36CPUlordand found this
02:15.50stonedCPUlord, restrict hitting enter so much
02:15.51stoned:)
02:15.56CPUlordlol
02:15.59lfaraoneCPUlord: Can we help you with something?
02:16.11CPUlordis this a place to hang out
02:16.14CPUlord?
02:16.20stonedno
02:16.22lfaraoneCPUlord: This is a channel to discuss debian.
02:16.24stonedyou can try #debian-chat
02:16.27CPUlordo
02:16.29CPUlordk
02:16.33stonedthis is only for debian support
02:16.34stoned:)
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02:16.38lfaraoneCPUlord: If you are looking for a social channel, try the channel stoned mentioned or ##defocus
02:16.45lfaraoneThank god that's over.
02:16.46lfaraone:P
02:16.53stonedheh
02:18.05stonedRemoving flashplayer-mozilla ...
02:18.09stonednow to get v9
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02:18.52stonedhmm where can i get it, adobe com has only v10
02:19.03stonedI wonder if marillat has v9 for etch
02:19.07stonedi'll grab that
02:19.16kunwon1doesn't etch still use v9 by default?
02:19.37kunwon1actually, i'm fairly certain that it does
02:19.53stonedDetails for flashplayer-mozilla (1:9.0.124.0-0.1) - i386 - Stable/Etch
02:19.54stonedsweet
02:19.59stonedI like marillats pacakges
02:20.00stoned:)
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02:20.10kunwon1okay.
02:20.10stonedI'm on sid btw
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02:20.55liablehmm, pam fuckage in sid atm?
02:21.43V4Nelleguys anybody help with this boot message http://pastebin.ca/1249216 ?
02:21.43stonedthe thing is that I was trying to use flashcopy.swf which can be used like blah.com/flashcopy.swf?clipboard=text_to_copy_to_clipboard_using_js_flash
02:21.50stonedliable, not sure I have not updated in a few weeks
02:22.14stonedand v10 flash breaks this functionality to copy to the clipboard cross browsr style
02:22.27stonedso now I have to downgrade ALL my debian boxes for all my clients to v9 flash
02:22.34stonedits a pita I swear to god
02:22.47stonedliable, that tells me not to even attempt an update anytime soon ;)
02:23.08liablestoned: power failure this morning, so i'm not sure if its realted
02:23.30kunwon1stoned, you use sid on production boxes?
02:23.39stonedthey are not production
02:23.46stonedand yes
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02:24.01stonedin a sense, those boxes are used for internal software dev. and testing
02:24.19stonedso we just keep lenny/sid on em and not stable
02:24.37stonedI have 10 boxes to downgrade tonight
02:24.39stoned(well flash only not entire os)
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02:25.08stonedim on call on a saturday night :(
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02:25.11stonedahh boy
02:25.15stoned*akf*
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02:27.23stonedalright script written and now to rsync it across all these ips and voila
02:27.32stonedloves bash automation
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02:28.13V4Nelleguys padlock_aes.ko needed only on VIA cpu?
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02:30.50V4Nellebeacause i have intel core2duo and i get the message that these module can't loaded
02:30.51V4Nellethis*
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02:32.54pepvewhere's my /dev/lp0?
02:32.54pepvei need it for spoolerless printing, should i perhaps load a module for it to appear? i see parport is loaded...
02:32.54pepvehmmm, sorry for the hassle, 'modprobe lp' fixed it, of course *grin*
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02:33.15kunwon1V4Nelle, I haven't heard of your issue, but if I google for padlock_aes.ko I get a lot of interesting results
02:33.50stonedمرحبا
02:33.53stonedAAAAHHHH!H!1
02:33.58stonedarabic input works!!!
02:34.24stonedfucking sweet... now if I can make it write in Urdu, I can get to the translation process for the d-i
02:34.42stonedo happy day when I am not dependant on windows to write in urdu to translate debian
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02:34.48amphistoned: cool
02:35.01stonedamphi, :D
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02:37.55edjutrying to install etch, but the nvidia nforce ethernet isn't recognized.  I select the forcedeth driver, next screen asks if I have firewire ethernet - no.  back to the list, select forcedeth, firewire? no.  list, firewire, . . . .  any advice appreciated.
02:37.59yunustjhi, I am new to debian. I have dowload netiso (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/) and installed it to my laptop. Now I want to connect to internet using my wireless HUAWEI E220 USB Modem. I could not find wvdial on the installed system. What other tool can I use to connect to internet?
02:38.42boggy`try "testing" insted of stable
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02:39.24boggy`also how did u install? full media, netinstall?
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02:40.31kunwon1yunustj, wvdial is a package in lenny
02:40.54kunwon1yunustj, I should say, it's available in the lenny repository. It looks like you're using a daily build though.. so I dunno
02:41.00lfaraoneHey, does processer speed matter too much when using L2TP or PPTP? (in the server )
02:41.57boggy`just use a lenny netinstall iso
02:42.47boggy`i wouldnt recommend using a p1 but it wont make much of a difference
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02:43.58yunustjkunwon1, yes I used daily build. I also could not find /etc/ppp & /etc/chatscripts
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02:45.29erawfishedju: newer kernel that recognizes your nvidia chipset. what kernel do you use right now and what nvidia chipset?
02:46.07edjuerawfish, whatever kernel the netinst etch installer uses.
02:46.09erawfishyunustj: check if pppd is installed
02:46.15erawfishedju: that is no answer
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02:47.11gewthm
02:47.16gewtwhat wa steh etchhalf kernel tihng?
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02:47.45erawfish!tell gewt about etchnhalf
02:48.22edjuerawfish, you mean on this system?  2.6.24.  chipset, - dunno.
02:48.46erawfishedju: install the network stuff later. install debian without inet access
02:49.02erawfishlater, try a 2.6.26 kernel from backports.org
02:49.07edjuerawfish, all I know is that lspci says nvidia nforce.
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02:49.23erawfishedju: lspci says more than that. and dmesg says yet more
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02:50.22edjuerawfish, MCP67?
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02:52.45erawfishedju: that one should be recognized, see dmesg
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02:56.48edjuerawfish, see what in dmesg?  forcedeth is used, but I can't get the etch installer to use it.
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03:00.15Nopalinhello people, i need some help here.
03:00.16Nopalini have a ethernet wireless board lspci( Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01))
03:00.16Nopalini installed madwifi driver and it seems to work fine, i can load the driver without any errors, but when i just type iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key xxxx, it never gets associated
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03:14.48stonederawfish, hi
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03:19.30cast|lirgood old wireless, making peoples lives more difficult and less secure since its inception
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03:23.32stonedcast|lir, it makes life easier
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03:23.51stonedcast|lir, its better than walking around with a cable attatched to your laptop...
03:24.13stonedcast|lir, if you can come up with a better solution then please present it to the proper authorities
03:24.23stonedcast|lir, god knows we can use a change...
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03:25.00amphiwireless has worked fine for me, for years
03:25.36stonedamphi, of course it works, and it makes life easy.. and with wpa2+tkip its not even that insecure
03:25.45stonedamphi, however we do need something better than this
03:26.09amphi'need'? ;)
03:26.15stonedin fact, they need to try to figure how to send microwaves in curves
03:26.25zinxbetter than wireless, or better wireless?
03:26.26stonedno line of sight required to microwave transmission
03:26.30stonedzinx, either
03:26.39stonedwireless is needed of course
03:26.54stonedwires are too much crap and in this world of portable devices
03:27.01stonedwe definitely need something better
03:27.08amphiwireless power'd be nice
03:27.14stonedAND inherently more secure, notice 'inherently' due to its technology
03:27.17stonedsecure by design
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03:27.30zinxstoned: microwave does not require LOS
03:27.32stonednot by implementation
03:27.36stonedzinx, I thought it did
03:27.40amphiall our data is secure, in gubment databases ;)
03:27.42stonedzinx, thats what I learned in school anyway
03:27.43zinxstoned: in fact by some definitions current wireless tech is microwave.
03:27.58stonedzinx, no... SSB
03:28.05stonedhow is this microwave?
03:28.09zinx(and most definitions if you are talking about 802.11n)
03:28.21stonedthis is spread specturm radio broadcast
03:28.25zinxstoned: microwave is just high frequency electromagnetic radiation
03:28.54stonedzinx, indeed, but I thought to recieve it you need line of sighte with the transporter
03:29.01zinxstoned: i.e., high frequency radio waves.  i.e., 1GHz and up (or 3GHz and up depending on who you ask)
03:29.05stonedisn't this why they need to point satalites at exact locations?
03:29.12stonedthis might have changed since I was in college
03:29.15stonedbut thats what I remember
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03:29.33zinxstoned: satellites do not require LOS
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03:29.39stonedhm
03:29.42amphistoned: at the right planet?
03:29.44zinxstoned: some materials block or bend the waves
03:29.55stonedtries to find his lan & wan fundamentals book
03:29.56zinxstoned: but LOS is not required.
03:30.02stonedI know I didn't sell any of my comptuer books from school
03:30.35stonedzinx, im not saying youre wrong im just so sure i remember it saing it needed it
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03:30.59zinxstoned: you are likely thinking of using a directional dish or somesuch with it, where you need to have the reciever in the zone where the transmitter's sending
03:31.22stonedIn the case of point-to-point radio links, antennas are placed on a tower or other tall structure at sufficient height to provide a direct, unobstructed line-of-sight (LOS) path between the transmitter and receiver sites.
03:31.27stonedzinx, yes yes I was
03:31.40stonedI wasn't thinking about GEO/MEO at the time
03:32.16zinxstoned: you don't generally want high powered transmitters pointed at stuff other than recievers, but they can most definitely go through many materials that you can't see through, and they can be bent by materials as well
03:33.16stonedI see
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03:33.41stonedzinx, I appreciate that you cleared it up for me and saved me some embarrassment in real life :)
03:34.25zinxand 802.11a/b/g is 2.4GHz (which is, incidentally, a frequency very close to what many microwave ovens run on :P ), 802.11n is well in the microwave range at 5GHz.  those are designed to be used through typical walls.
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03:35.03cast|lirid like wireless more if we didnt have this failure to use a secure encryption protocol
03:35.08stonedyes
03:35.22stonedsome cordless phones operate at 4.x to 5.x ghz
03:35.27zinxi may be mixing n and a
03:35.29stonedyer gonna get cancer!
03:35.33stonedbrain cancer!
03:35.49zinxah a's 5 only, n's 2.4 and 5
03:35.50cast|lirRC4 sucks, TKIP makes RC4 suck a little less, but still seems silly. good thing they've moved to AES. they should have done that in the first place
03:36.24zinxcast|lir: no, they should be using <insert the next encryption standard here> that doesn't exist yet
03:36.29zinxi mean, why stop at AES
03:36.55zinx(AES hasn't been around that long)
03:37.10cast|lirzophy: AES is strong, RC4 is not.
03:37.59cast|lirthere are plenty of ciphers they could have used instead of RC4, like blowfish :)
03:38.47stonedwhat the crap man i have no sound in znes
03:38.53stonedok lets check bts
03:39.19stoned!dbug #470410
03:39.27stoned!dbugs #470410
03:39.30dpkg#470410:I[zsnes] zsnes: No sound with alsa, oss backends (); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:33:01 UTC []
03:40.04zinxcast|lir: my point was AES didn't exist until 2006.  WPA existed long before that.  they couldn't have just "done that in the first place" unless you know someone who can see the future in extreme detail.
03:40.41cast|lirAES became a standard in 02 :\
03:41.08cast|lirbut sure, they used RC4 before that. thats ok.
03:41.12roe_anyone know how I can "burn" a bootable iso to a thumb drive?
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03:41.42stonedhttps://zsnes.bountysource.com/svn/!source/5200/trunk/src/linux/audio.c
03:41.43zinx:x
03:41.44stonedfantastic
03:41.50stonednow I get to patch this shit...
03:41.54stonedWHY ME!
03:42.04stonedall I wanted to do was fucking play mario man.. is that so much to ask?
03:42.09zinxroe_: well, that depends
03:42.18stonedgrrr.
03:42.20roe_on what
03:42.32cast|lir3DES, blowfish, CAST5, would all have been better. but ok..so they picked RC4. then in 01 found it to be weak, that was 7 years ago now :\
03:42.38zinxroe_: if it's a U3 device, you can do that... if it's not a U3 device, you will have to put the iso on the flash drive and boot it by other means
03:42.45zinxroe_: which depends largely on the iso you want to boot
03:43.00roe_how do I know if it is a "U3" device
03:43.11stoneduhm
03:43.23zinxroe_: it's probably not.  only sandisk makes them, i think.  and you probably don't want one.
03:43.32stonedzsnes debian/rules is uhm... kinda dirty
03:43.56stonedwho the hell maintains this...
03:43.58roe_I can't write an MBR to the drive?
03:44.00stonedbrb
03:44.12zinxroe_: you certainly can, but an MBR has very little to do with iso
03:44.13stonedroe_, you can write TO the mbr of a disk
03:44.21stonedroe_, but you dont' write AN mbr to the drive
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03:44.32childhowdy
03:44.35stonedhi
03:44.48childnice to meet you
03:44.50zinxroe_: what iso are you trying to boot from?
03:44.56roe_a vyatta image
03:44.57roe_an
03:44.59stonedchild, same here.  did you need help?
03:45.04roe_nope, 'a' vyatta
03:45.22childdoes anyone know how to make dansgaurdian filter out jpg,png,and gif files?
03:45.27childand bmp
03:45.35childand avi
03:45.47stonedI use an before M because M begins with e, lik Emm, E is a vowel, so it just sounds right to say an mbr
03:46.01roe_child, there is a file in /etc/dansguardian/ called bannedextentions or something like that
03:46.03stonedin acronym where I actually have to say the word Emm
03:46.04stoned;)
03:46.11stonedit just sounds right
03:46.18roe_child, assuming you are using the debian package
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03:46.23stonedv is however a sound that does NOT begin with a vowel
03:46.29stonedso its not correcto to use 'an' before it
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03:46.30stoned:D
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03:46.38childand how does onw use dansgaurdian?
03:46.41childmake it run?
03:47.12stonedwhats a dansguardian?
03:47.22roe_child, if you are asking that, then you haven't read enough of the documentation.  Get squid working, then tie it to dansguardian
03:47.37zinxroe_: if that is some sort of linux distribution, you can probably boot it with syslinux, but the method of doing that is beyond the scope of this channel
03:47.52roe_zinx it is a routing distro built on debian
03:47.55lfaraonestoned: google it. it is nannyware.
03:48.06lfaraoneroe_: but it isn't debian.
03:48.12zinxroe_: then you can probably boot it with syslinux, but the method of doing that is beyond the scope of this channel
03:48.17lfaraoneroe_: It'd be like if I was asking questions about Ubuntu here.
03:48.19childroe, well i was following a howto, and im not sure how much i got working, is there a way to tell if squid is running? ps awx?
03:48.36lfaraonechild: try connecting to it, maybe?
03:48.47roe_lfaraone, I am not asking how to use vyatta, I am asking how, *in debian*, to burn an iso to a thumb drive
03:48.50zinxroe_: the Debian Installation Guide has a method of running the Debian isos from a flash drive
03:49.08zinxroe_: burning an ISO to a flash drive is impossible unless it's a U3 device
03:49.28zinxroe_: hard drives boot differently from cd drives
03:49.35stonedlfaraone, ahh
03:49.42lfaraonezinx: What?
03:49.43zinxroe_: syslinux can boot a hard drive/flash drive and run stuff off an iso
03:49.59zinxroe_: (well, it can load linux which will do that)
03:50.06lfaraonezinx: U3 doesn't even properly support burning an ISO.
03:50.13lfaraonezinx: (they have to be under 5~ mb, iirc)
03:50.14stonedwhats a u3?
03:50.17zinxlfaraone: http://zenthought.org/content/project/youthree
03:50.22zinxlfaraone: it supports any size ISO
03:50.22lfaraonestoned: goooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle it.,
03:50.25stonedstop speaking crazy computer langauge!
03:50.28stonedEnglish please!
03:50.40lfaraonestoned: This is a computer channel.
03:50.42stonedu2 was a good band, is u3 a better new band?
03:50.59kunwon1no, they're obviously talking about the ultima games
03:51.03zinxlfaraone: (or more specificly, it lets you resize the virtual cd drive, and lets you write an image to it)
03:51.09stonedlfaraone, no, this is a Debian GNU/Linux support channel, for debian installer and debian packages and debian software by debian people for debian people...
03:51.13stonedthis is NOT a computer channel.
03:51.17lfaraonestoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U3
03:51.34lfaraonestoned: Or rather, a channel about a group of software that runs on computers.
03:51.39child<PROTECTED>
03:51.42lfaraonestoned: So we'll use technical language.
03:51.45stonedlfaraone, there ya go
03:51.47childit shows it in ps awx
03:51.53lfaraonechild: Ok, then it's running.
03:51.55childso its running
03:52.03roe_I just read that wiki article, you're saying that this proprietary auto-launcher that works only in windows is what I need to properly boot linux?  I call bullox on that
03:52.13lfaraoneroe_: No, that's not what he is saying...
03:52.28lfaraonezinx: This is why it's a bad idea to say that's the only way to "burn an iso" to a flash drive.
03:52.29childbut dansgaurdian is not running
03:52.29stonedoh yeh i know what u3 is
03:52.29zinxroe_: no, i said a U3 capable device is what you need to burn an iso to a flash drive.  and that you don't need or want to do that.
03:52.32cast|lirreboots to install lenny :)
03:52.48lfaraonechild: then run it :P
03:52.50stonedu3 is that thing in windows usb thingies that lets you do stuff with stuff on automatical stuff
03:52.53stonedright?
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03:52.57lfaraonestoned: ...
03:53.05zinxroe_: you most likely want to use syslinux to boot the iso image which is merely copied to your flash drive.
03:53.06lfaraonestoned: Yes, as the article explains.
03:53.08stonedmission accomplished.
03:53.25zinxroe_: i've also said that several times, i think :/
03:53.34lfaraoneroe_: Something you might find useful: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net
03:53.45stonedlfaraone, I was just messin with ya man ;) pullin yer leg
03:53.53lfaraoneroe_: it has a GUI util. that will let you load an ISO to a USB key, and boot off of it.
03:54.14lfaraonestoned: As you've said, this is a support channel.
03:54.15roe_I will investigate, thanks for the info
03:54.20lfaraoneroe_: Any time.
03:54.21zinxlfaraone: interesting
03:54.31stonedlfaraone, leg pulling
03:54.37lfaraonezinx: Yeah, it can also be used for media-less installs.
03:55.09lfaraonezinx: It's nice to be able to do a debian netinstall on a machine with no media ports, or with no USB keys hnady.
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03:55.13lfaraone*handy
03:55.13stonedok flash is now done now i need to setup eclipse on these 10 machines...
03:55.20childit says my clamav is outdated
03:55.27childso.....what would i do?
03:55.33stonedhey guys, is there a way to deploy installation of ecilpse across all machines without manually having to do it for each one?
03:55.41lfaraonestoned: SSH keys.
03:55.41stonedsame config/app is going to the all boxes
03:55.42roe_child, read about the volatile repo
03:55.50stonedlfaraone, those are already setup
03:55.56lfaraonestoned: Can you ssh into each of them?
03:55.58childroe i don't know what that means
03:56.07stonedlfaraone, yeh but thats manually ssh ing into all of them and setting it up
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03:56.14childdeb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib
03:56.14childdeb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
03:56.18stonedI want to deploy it once and have it take effect on all machines
03:56.19stonedsomehow
03:56.23childthis is what the howto said to put in my sources.list
03:56.24roe_there is a "volatile" debian repository
03:56.26kunwon1stoned, scripted ssh :)
03:56.30stoned!volatile
03:56.30dpkgwell, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free
03:56.30lfaraonestoned: Look at this: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/dsh.html.en
03:56.32childbut see its like backports
03:56.34stonedkunwon1, I was afraid of that
03:56.36stonedheh
03:56.39childit says like backports
03:56.46roe_no it isn't
03:56.46childhow to i get the current stuff?
03:56.48lfaraonestoned: that's a scripted ssh app.
03:57.01stonedyeh no I won't be using debian packages
03:57.10stonedwe have custom eclipse distributions
03:57.15lfaraonestoned: Ok...
03:57.16stonedwell 2 only
03:57.19stonedi'll script it
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03:57.27lfaraonestoned: You don't need to be using deb packages...
03:57.29stonedI was looking for an easy lazy man's way out
03:57.30kunwon1pff, just write a perl script
03:57.35lfaraonestoned: simply put the script on a server.
03:57.37stonedlfaraone, with volatile?
03:57.39kunwon1that's the lazy way out :D
03:57.48lfaraonestoned: That wasn't sent to you.
03:57.49stonedI need to read more into this volatile stuff, I know nothing of it
03:57.51stonedoh
03:57.55lfaraonestoned: taht was for roe_ 's use.
03:57.59stonedahh
03:58.01stonedgot ya
03:58.03lfaraonestoned: I told you to see http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/dsh.html.en
03:58.10stonedoh ok checking now
03:58.28stonedbeautiful
03:58.49lfaraonestoned: welcome.
03:58.51stonedis this restricted to clusters?
03:58.52stonedonly
03:58.57lfaraonestoned: clusters? no...
03:59.01stonedok then
03:59.07stonedfantastic
03:59.10lfaraonestoned: optimal use is for testbeds, but it works with anything.
03:59.36roe_I hate dropping from apt to dpkg
03:59.49stonedoh this is easy
04:00.02roe_it reminds of the dependency hell from whence we came
04:00.04stonedoh my god this can whoah man this is awesome
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04:00.32stonedlfaraone, hey dude man bro, if there is a heaven, I wish you go there
04:00.36stoned*afk*
04:00.39lfaraonestoned: Thanks.
04:01.59lfaraonestoned: mailing list post that explains how to use it:  http://n2.nabble.com/ssh-controlled-testbeds-with-dsh-td1472150.html
04:03.10child_i'm sorry roe, you said something about volatile?
04:04.41child_how do i cascade windows?
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04:11.21child_is there a command to display where a deb package should unpack?
04:11.27child_like apt-cache pathinfo?
04:11.29child_something
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04:11.39child_dpkg?
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04:12.09zinxunpack?  you can list the contents with dpkg
04:12.22roe_well, that didn't work...
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04:13.21child_also i'm sorry, but what is the command to scroll up in a terminal? is there one?
04:13.33child_<--windows guy
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04:13.49zinxshift-pgup?
04:14.01child_its not working
04:14.04zinxpgup possibly depending on your shell
04:14.09zinxor you may have scrollback disabled, who knows
04:14.29child_pfft gnome term
04:14.31child_no wonder
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04:18.01child_how do i get a console from gnome?
04:18.05child_i mean kill gnome
04:18.31child_i mean i like that X is configured and all
04:18.36child_but i hate this window manager
04:19.21adb!DM
04:19.21dpkgDM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session.  <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers.  Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM.  or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers
04:19.23child_sup
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04:32.45gkahlais there a specific kernel revision for the lpia architecture? i know i386 will work, but it's not optimized...
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04:46.53eclectic/msg dpkg guidelines
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04:56.48DogBoyhttp://badmotherfucker.org/debris/
04:57.00DogBoythat program kind of does that fken
04:57.59fkenthank you DogBoy
04:59.29mihanybody hotswapping scsi under linux , especially with dpt_i2o? do i really need to patch my dpt_i2o.c in order to make it rescan the bus, it wont rescan as it wont reload the module when root is scsi(mod in use)
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05:06.35fkenDogBoy: it seems debris take pictures from internet... then it's not what I am looking for
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05:09.54DogBoyoh well fken
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05:20.35stonedI've a gravis gamepad ultra and it gets detected in kde, but I'm using snes9express and it can't find the joypad in /dev/js0 or anywhere.. what is the device node for the joypad? how can i find out?
05:21.18stonedoh /dev/input/js0
05:21.57stonedI wonder why a device node is made for /dev/input/js0 but the debian package of snes9express/snes9x have a default configuration file that contains the setting that defaults to /dev/js0
05:22.11stonedisn't this some sort of a bug? or something to do with package quality?
05:22.20stonedor quality control or something or other?
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05:36.14k8toi have a total newb question about .deb createion and symlinks
05:36.43cast|lirthat doesnt sound very total newb
05:36.46k8tothat is, if my .deb file has ./opt as a member of data.tar.gz, and /opt is a symlink, might dpkg remove the /opt symlink on uninstall?
05:37.01k8toa consumer of my .deb said this happened and I'm trying to figure out why
05:37.55k8tocast|lir: well i'm a newb to the topic of making sane .debs
05:38.25k8toi've made some effort to read the DD docs but they have a lot of stuff about policy that doesn't excite me (I'm not angling to be a DD)
05:38.35k8toso .. i may be missing something simple
05:38.45k8toany hints or info appreciated, no expectations to get it solved
05:39.35k8tothe small question is: what does dpkg do on uninstall
05:39.43k8toi could try an strace to read the tea  leaves
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05:43.01childhi
05:43.11childisn't there something you have to do to like /dev/audio
05:43.17childor /dev/mixer
05:43.19childto make sound
05:43.31childlike chmod or something
05:43.40childto make the soundcard work
05:43.53k8totried strace, as it's finishing the unlink step, it stats /opt, and them moves on
05:43.59k8tothat makes me think it's considering the idea of unlinking it
05:44.20k8toi wonder if i'll need source to figure it out
05:44.52k8tochild: i think by default only members of a certain group can make sound
05:45.08k8tochild: the group is called 'audio'
05:45.20k8tochild: i just add my users to this group
05:45.25k8tothe ones who need sound ability
05:45.29k8toie. on me really
05:45.31k8toerr only
05:45.45k8tomy remote shell users do not
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05:53.15childsweet
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05:55.41k8tocast|lir: it seems this is a known limitation of dpkg http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=182747
05:55.47k8tocast|lir: thanks for listening ;-)
05:56.01k8toi don't mind the limitation, i'm not the silly person making opt a symlink
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05:56.34k8toi can tell my user to use bind mounts
05:56.38k8tota ta
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05:56.47eclectichello, folks
05:57.35childhi
05:57.57eclectici wonder if i can get a little help completing my network connection on a old laptop?
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05:59.58Splexwhere can i find the default debian config for the 2.6.28 dev kernel?
06:00.10eclectici've got debian installed, and just followed some instructions so that my ethernet connection works, and i can ssh into my desktop box, and ping my router, etc., but i can not ping the internet even though i have correct dns #'s in /etc/resolv.conf
06:01.09eclectici'm probably missing one step, could use a push :)
06:01.51dmoernerSplex, none exists as far as i can tell: http://stats.buildserver.net/packages/status.php?email=debian-kernel&packages=&arches=&subdist=kernel-dists
06:03.42Splexdmoerner, ahh ok, thanks
06:06.00osberteclectic: can you ping your gateway by IP address?
06:07.32eclecticosbert: yes, i can
06:07.42eclecticmy router
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06:07.59osbertno i mean your ISP gateway sorry
06:08.23eclecticoh, hmmm, i  don't know my ip's gateway
06:08.32eclecticisp's
06:08.54eclecticor how to find it..
06:10.02osbertusually it's your IP but change the last number to 1
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06:10.15osbertyour *public* IP address
06:10.22eclecticok, will try that
06:10.38eclecticyes, the one that's in my info on irc
06:11.11eclecticbut the whole long thing or just the x.x.x.x ?
06:11.27osberttry x.x.x.1 first
06:12.31eclecticit says:     "connect: Network is unreachable"
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06:17.36eclectici added the part to the right of the number and I get "ping: unknown host ...."
06:17.48childhow do i get the locate and find commands?
06:18.29osberteclectic: i whispered you to send me some output
06:19.27osbertchild: http://packages.debian.org/find appears to indicate you need to install findutils
06:19.37eclecticosbert: oh, i'm irc newbie, lemme look..
06:19.41osbertchild: you can do that by typing sudo apt-get install findutils
06:20.31childah i remember now
06:20.33childupdatedb
06:20.34childhehe
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06:21.28osbertchild: sorry apparently i mis-understood the question
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06:21.35endrahey
06:22.06endrahow can I make it so that the server enabled ip forwarding by default/on boot? I already changed the /etc/sysctl.conf value to 1 and uncommented it but it is still 0 when i do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
06:22.48endranever mind, it commented itself.. i swear ;(
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06:24.00stoned<?php function beerSong($bottles) {for ($i = $bottles; $i>0; $i--) {echo ("<p>$i bottles of beer on the wall, $i bottles of beer, you take 1 down, and pass it around, " . ($i - 1) . " bottles of beer on the wall... </p>");}}beerSong(99);?>
06:24.15stonedoops
06:25.17sebbscould someone recomend me a game that does not require 3d acceleration and is fun to play in a lan? and has great replay value, i dont really want awnsers like frozenbubble, but something more the lines of starcraft or something like that. i have a suckey intel X31000 card so there is not very much i can do. i love strateyy games though, and so does my brother, but we`ve been playing freeciv for years now, and would like something ne
06:25.28Cloudcloudcloudsebbs, Doom?
06:25.31CloudcloudcloudQuake III?
06:25.34CloudcloudcloudStarcraft?
06:25.42sebbsq3 does not work :( it lags very much
06:25.50Cloudcloudcloudstarcraft? it does not need 3D
06:25.52sebbsand i already said starcraft
06:26.07sebbsits not working well with wine
06:26.14Cloudcloudcloudsebbs, q3 lags on a X3100?
06:26.15sebbsmy graphics card is not very nice
06:26.17Cloudcloudcloudare you joking?
06:26.21sebbslinux drivers are shiat
06:26.31Cloudcloudclouduse windows
06:26.33sebbsatleast its not working for me, nad ive done alot of tinkering with the xorg file
06:26.37sebbswell that would mean i have to install windows
06:26.43sebbsand get a licence
06:26.46sebbsand boot up in windows
06:26.51sebbs*shrugs*
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06:27.11dmoernermaybe it doesn't work because of your tinkering...
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06:27.26sebbsdmoerner: do you have a X3100 board?
06:29.21sebbsdmoerner: before you say things like that i would recomend you to lookup the issue at hand, since replys like that do not really make you sound more clever.
06:29.34sebbsthanks anyways
06:30.29dmoernersebbs, i cannot provide any advice without more information. you didn't even say what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel you are using
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06:31.06sebbsi understand what you mean, but it wont make much differnce, i have the highest framerate i know among people who have that intel board
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06:31.26sebbsbut if you believe you can make a difference i could pastebin everything related to the issue
06:32.21sebbsX3100 has had very poor support, if you make a google search for it you will see
06:32.39sebbsmost 3d games do not work well, (on linux, work a little better in windows)
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06:32.57stonedhm ok then
06:33.11sebbseven quake2 is slow on X3100 which is funny cos my n95 phone runs quake2 smooth
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06:40.33superlinuxhi all
06:41.24superlinuxi have dual 2.8GHz CPU system. i am compiling the kernel. how can i speed up the process?
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06:41.38superlinuxwhat should i give gcc?
06:42.01Arafangionsuperlinux: Whatever it wants.
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06:42.44superlinuxArafangion, thats not an answer!!
06:42.58superlinuxi mean what options?
06:43.00Arafangionsuperlinux: Well I only saw teh last part of the question.
06:43.12superlinuxi have dual 2.8GHz CPU system. i am compiling the kernel. how can i speed up the process?
06:44.01Arafangionsuperlinux: Then gcc doesn't enter the issue.  You need to tell the kernel build system to use multiple cores.
06:44.17superlinuxah ok
06:44.19Arafangionsuperlinux: But what's the point?
06:44.39superlinuxwell i am building the kernel for layer7 filter
06:44.48superlinuxand i have dual system
06:44.49ArafangionEvery day?
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06:45.06superlinuxstill feel like it's on one CPU
06:45.24superlinuxand with hyper threading
06:45.47ArafangionMost build systems use only one core, presumeably to simplify dependency management.
06:45.50superlinuxso it shouyld look like 4x2.8
06:46.04ArafangionDon't forget that disk IO is a bottleneck.
06:46.29superlinuxwell imy desktop is a server HP proliant
06:46.38endraiptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o eth1 -s 192.168.5.0/24 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT <-- I want to use eth1:4 as it has a specific ip address.. I'm creating a vpn system and I would like it to only use a specific address (aliased in eth1:4) instead of just eth1, how can I do this if iptables doesn't allow aliases?
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06:46.59superlinuxseems funny.. but i was a cheap used system and i can learn on it
06:47.50ivangarciaanybody can help , is about packaging. I have the debian/postinst script and my debian/control creates 2 .deb, but it seems that the postinst is only being executed for the 1st .deb, not the 2nd
06:47.55ivangarciawhy can it be wrong?
06:48.27Arafangionsuperlinux: Parallel builds and distributed builds are considered fairly complex, particulary when they go wrong. If you're compiling the kernel, then just do things the normal way.
06:48.42superlinuxok
06:49.12superlinuxi am just playing
06:50.20superlinuxi am now in the  folder "net" in the kernel since 36min of the current hr (considering the timezone)
06:50.40superlinuxnow it's minit 50.. that's 15 min
06:51.06superlinuxnow in "fs"
06:51.25superlinuxit seems that it's in parallel
06:51.35dmoernerivangarcia, create separate packagename.postinst for each package
06:53.30ivangarciahmm, let me see
06:53.39superlinuxok thanks
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06:56.02childhow can i tell my arch?
06:57.05osbertuname -a
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08:09.14masrawyI've got this http://rafb.net/p/Tg4Erz48.html for BSD which lines should change for linux?
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08:25.47NegroidMany people feel Niggermania is just another hate site but nothing could be farther from the truth. A good niggermaniac doesn't hate anyone.
08:25.48NegroidTom Shelly explains why it is wrong to hate niggers.
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08:28.00NegroidI am never surprised when I hear stories of TNB; stories of niggers raping, torturing, murdering and beating White people. Stories from Africa of them raping babies, toddlers, and goats; drinking lizard pee and smoking their own shit to get high. The rampant disease and famine there and watching their nigglets die off by the millions while their mammies get gang-banged in the bush to pump out another litter. Nothing about niggers surprise
08:28.00Negroids me at all because I do not compare their behavior with that of humans.
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08:31.13snakevwe should not blame niggers for what other barbarians does, there is also white people that torture and kill in the name of democracy
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08:32.26childis there any way ti disable the internal speaker?
08:32.41`nstuffpull the cable ;o
08:32.48childhillarious
08:33.01`nstuffdoes work though
08:33.05cahootchild: blacklist snd-pcsp and/or pcspkr
08:33.18ilaihosome motherboards have a pc speaker on board
08:34.43mhymnchild: why do you want to do that?
08:35.08childhow do i blacklist?
08:35.16cahoot!blCKLIST
08:35.20childbecause its freakin annoying
08:35.26cahoot!blacklist
08:35.26dpkgIn etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".  IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>.  For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.  To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
08:35.40mhymn!tell child -about bell
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08:35.47mhymnmight help you
08:35.59acemirmmod pcspkr
08:36.31childwill i have to log out and back in?
08:36.37childor reboot?
08:36.46cahootjust modprobe -r
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08:36.55inad922hello
08:37.29childi mean to make the blacklist work
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08:38.10childoh wow it actulaly worked
08:38.11childthanks
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08:38.41inad922I made a new partition with cfdisk, checked the major+minor device number in /dev for my hdd and made a node for it with mknod and when I wan t to create an ext3 on it I get the error "No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size" error and I just cant google up a solution. Could someone help me out?
08:38.48cahootchild: the blacklisting will take effect at next boot
08:38.59childcoo
08:40.11adrenalineinad922, did you write it?
08:40.24childdamn i can't get dansguardian to work on 64bi
08:40.26childbit
08:40.29childcan anyone help me?
08:40.33inad922adrenaline: what do you mean write it?
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08:40.43childor provide another answer?
08:40.53childi want a webbrowser without jpegs
08:40.53adrenalineAt the end of cfdisk did you click 'write'?
08:41.06peterrooneychild: w3m should work for you
08:41.09childno jpgs no gifs
08:41.15childwhat is w3m
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08:41.24peterrooneyapt-cache show w3m
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08:41.40inad922adrenaline: yes sure
08:41.46peterrooney!w3m
08:41.46dpkgfrom memory, w3m is an advanced text based web browser that supports mouse clicks, tabbed browsing, image rendering, ssl.  w3m stands for "see the www" in japanese.  when you pronounce w3m, it doesn't rhyme with "pteranodon".
08:42.00inad922I checked it back also its there according to cfdisk
08:42.16adrenalineis it there according to df -h
08:42.21peterrooneychild: the image rendering is a separate package, w3m-img
08:42.55childah right...
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08:43.00childso i could just rip out
08:43.05childjpg libraries
08:43.09childand bmp libraries
08:43.13childgif libraries
08:43.15childand so on
08:43.34childor is there like one ring that binds them all?
08:43.59inad922adrenaline: no it doesnt show up in the list
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08:44.57erawfishinad922: you do not do mknod and things like that
08:45.08erawfishfor this, you have udev
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08:45.17childno man mozilla like depends on jpeg library
08:45.24childyou can't just remove it
08:45.34childmaybe you could like delete the files or something
08:45.44erawfishchild: don't misuse your enter key so much please
08:46.02childchild: missUSE?
08:46.13childMISUSE? MOFO ILL SHOW YOU
08:46.21erawfishchild: stop or I call ops
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08:46.36childhehe ops misuse their power MISUSE
08:46.37inad922erawfish: shall I delete the node and remake it with udev?
08:46.40childi oughta
08:46.48adrenalineIt is not mounted then and that is probably the problem
08:46.54erawfishinad922: udev will recognize your partition automaticallg
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08:48.08darkwizzardHello. Could anyone give me a repository with the newest version of kde3 >
08:48.10darkwizzard?
08:48.14erawfishadrenaline: you cannot mount things without filesystems...
08:48.31erawfishjudd: versions kde
08:48.32judderawfish: kde: 5:47 (etch) 5:48 (lenny) 5:48 (sid)
08:48.47erawfishdarkwizzard: as you can see, lenny is "latest"
08:49.00darkwizzardWhat's the sid version ?
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08:49.03adrenalineI must have read it wrong sorry
08:49.06erawfishit's the same...
08:49.15darkwizzardI have 3.5.10
08:49.20darkwizzardthat's pretty old isn't it ?
08:49.39inad922erawfish: well udev doesnt find it and mknod wont work. Is there any other way I can make the kernel see that partition?
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08:50.13erawfishinad922: as root, fdisk -l
08:50.39erawfishinad922: in a pastebin btw
08:50.54childdoes anyone know ow to make it so images wont display in linux?
08:51.01erawfishand remove the device node you made
08:51.05inad922erawfish: same result as cfdisk. It shows the partition
08:51.17erawfishinad922: didn't I tell you to show us?
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08:52.16erawfishdarkwizzard: where did you get your kde?
08:52.50inad922erawfish: http://pastebin.com/d2d8131a3
08:53.06darkwizzardapt-get install
08:53.08darkwizzard:)
08:53.30darkwizzardftp.ro.debian.org
08:53.36erawfishdarkwizzard: what debian version, what repository exactly? (apt-cache policy kde3)
08:53.50erawfishinad922: which one is the newly made partition?
08:54.19darkwizzardhttp://pastebin.com/m675c98c7
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08:54.45erawfishdarkwizzard: there is nothing installed it seems. at least not full kde
08:54.47inad922erawfish: /dev/sda9
08:55.03darkwizzardwell, where can I install it from ?
08:55.09erawfishinad922: then ls -l /dev/sda*
08:55.16erawfishdarkwizzard: from the debian repos
08:55.24darkwizzardwhich one :S
08:55.29erawfishany one
08:55.34darkwizzardsorry for being such a noob :)
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08:55.47darkwizzardwhat's wrong with ftp.ro.debian.org ?
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08:55.54inad922erawfish: http://pastebin.com/d129551dd
08:56.07erawfishdarkwizzard: nothing. that is a debian repo
08:56.17darkwizzardbut I apt-get installed kde from there :)
08:56.22darkwizzardand I'm under kde right now
08:56.25darkwizzardbut it's old
08:56.33erawfishinad922: I told you to remove your selfmade device node
08:56.51darkwizzardOk, nvm got to go
08:56.57darkwizzardI'll be back later :)
08:56.57erawfishthere is no newer kde3.5 in existence. a small trip to kde.org would have shown oyu
08:56.59inad922erawfish: but that makes another error
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08:57.01acemidarkwizzard: 3.5.10 is the nevest for 3.5 family
08:57.09darkwizzardhmm
08:57.11darkwizzardok then
08:57.16darkwizzardthank you
08:57.17darkwizzardbye
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08:58.46inad922erawfish: When I delete it I have the following error: "The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly?"
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08:59.13inad922erawfish: And google dropped back a forumpage on this that I shall mknod the device before use.
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08:59.49inad922The error is on "mke2fs -j /dev/sda9"
09:00.57erawfishdelete how?
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09:01.12erawfishand that forum page is bullshit
09:01.17roflis there xen dom0 support in lenny ?
09:02.01GhostlyDeath_rofl: you try it?
09:02.16roflno i wonder
09:02.23roflor else i will have to go ubuntu lts
09:02.27inad922erawfish: well I think its debian its debian`s problem only. On gentoo it worked fine with a simple cfdisk. I deleted with "rm /dev/sda9" btw
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09:03.59ArtVandalaeHi all, is there any way to create an authentication username/password system with VNC, short of hosting a VNC server for each user, with a different password
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09:14.17adrenalineArtVandalae, what if you create a general user that you can give everybody the password for?
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09:15.14ArtVandalaeadrenaline, yeah I thought about that. I was just a bit unsure about the security implications
09:15.38ilaihoArtVandalae: I think NX would be better for that use.
09:16.35adrenalineWhat is the difference in security if you give the same password to the same people you were creating servers for?
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09:16.55adrenalineI mean the only difference is they will share the same server but I think that is what you were asking orginally
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09:17.35bookmark_ok i take it back
09:17.44bookmark_i love you ugys
09:17.55bookmark_the only problem is
09:18.03bookmark_now i have ot see it this will run in windows
09:18.08bookmark_elinks that is
09:18.15bookmark_has anyone run it there?
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09:25.01bookmark_i don't like this because you can't tell how much information is on a page
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09:25.26bookmark_i mean even if it would say like dispaly 10 percent
09:25.28bookmark_or something
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09:28.01bookmark_ah nevermind
09:28.18bookmark_i have it, you can quickly page up page down to see how big a page is
09:28.23bookmark_neat bye
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09:31.13adrenalineCan anybody tell me why vnc is greyed out in tsclient?
09:31.39mosnoadrenaline: probably because you don't have vncviewer (or whatever) installed
09:31.48mosnoadrenaline: i'd say check the Recommends of tsclient package
09:31.57adrenalineOk I am installing it now
09:31.59adrenalinethanks
09:32.03mosnoadrenaline: check first!
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09:37.43adrenalinemosno, it needed xtightvncviewer
09:37.48adrenalineworks great now
09:38.23_coredump_moinsen
09:38.30mosnoadrenaline: ok
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09:41.34haqe43Hey, I want to have a gui multi-protocol IM client running 24/7, but I cant run my x server 24/7. What can I do?
09:42.19joeytwiddlea jabber server might do it
09:44.06xinguthat and dose up to the nines on bennies
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09:44.17haqe43joeytwiddle: looks like a lot of setting up to me. is there any simple solution to background X applications?
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09:45.26haqe43joeytwiddle: ooh nevermind. thanks
09:45.47xinguhaqe43: x intrinsics are stateful (the server holds state) the least worst compromise is thinking in terms of throwing the client's display to a backgroundable vnc instance
09:45.51joeytwiddlewell, a vncserver is the only thing i can think of
09:46.03joeytwiddleyeah what he said
09:46.51El_gato_xDhi, I have ubuntu installed, but I prefer debian, what version is the best, sorrry for my bad english
09:47.09JyZyXELcan scp used to transfer directorys?
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09:47.29xinguhaqe43: nb, this then qualifies as "being able to run your x server 24/7" - because that's precisely what vncserver is, the display device for vncserver is rfb over sockets
09:47.29haqe43El_gato_xD: testing I think is for Desktop use
09:47.44joeytwiddleJyZyXEL: man scp look for -r
09:47.56joeytwiddlebut really rsync (-e ssh) is better at that imho
09:47.57El_gato_xDhaqe43: for dektop yes
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09:48.20El_gato_xDok
09:48.29El_gato_xDI go to install the testing
09:48.33El_gato_xDbut is stable?
09:48.38El_gato_xD:)
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09:48.55joeytwiddletesting is pretty stable, tes
09:48.57joeytwiddle*yes
09:49.13El_gato_xDthanks, I go to download and install
09:49.15El_gato_xD;)
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09:49.55haqe43xingu: ok I'll look into it thanks
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09:51.12adrenalineJyZyXEL, yes scp -r should do it add -p if you want to save permissions
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10:04.04dzuphey folks hi, where is lennys dvd uri link?
10:04.11dzupthe latest
10:06.58ArtVandalaedzup, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? DVD in there, but that's for "testing"
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10:18.48MrWaxHi, I have a file of about 1000 lines with codes of 7 chars on each lie, some codes are duplicates, and I would like to remove all such lines from this file; What way can I best do this? any advice?>
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10:19.49EnverexAre there any graphical SCP clients for Linux (preferably in Synaptic, not at that machine to check right now)
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10:20.51petemcfilezilla does sftp
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10:21.38EnverexSCP being browsing over SSH, not secure FTP
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10:22.38petemcits you who is confused, not me
10:23.44EnverexAh, it's the same thing isn't it
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10:24.00xandSCP != SFTP
10:24.02joeytwiddleEnverex i use konqueror for FTP over SCP (i type in sftp://.... )
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10:24.33xandscp does copying over ssh, sftp is like ftp but over ssh
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10:24.58xandthough both can do the same stuff, mostly
10:25.04valdynMrWax: are duplicates on consecutive lines? can you change the order ( sort ) ?
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10:25.42Enverexxand, So I was right in the first place and petemc was just trying to confuse me, heh
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10:25.46JyZyXELdamn i have two processes that went all crazy
10:25.56JyZyXELcannot kill even with -9
10:26.25Blasturanyone know of a program that will act as a HTTP proxy, and tunnel every request through a SOCKS proxy? ie HTTP Proxy -> SOCKS proxy converter .. i need it to run a program which doesn't support SOCKS (but HTTP proxy) to work.. i can't run socksify, since it seems to shell a lot of sub processes later on, which doesnt seem to be socksified
10:27.00joeytwiddlei've never seen a "secure ftp" server - only FTP over SCP
10:27.00petemcEnverex: they both copy files over ssh
10:27.11adrenalineJyZyXEL, can you kill with the PID?
10:27.25JyZyXELthey won't close
10:27.25adrenalineps -ef |grep process
10:27.29JyZyXELkill just hangs
10:27.39Enverexjoeytwiddle, Ah right, was guessing by the name
10:27.55JyZyXELlol their -19 nice
10:28.08JyZyXELhogging all the CPU with highest priority
10:28.09JyZyXELhow nice
10:28.47ma3xif I ssh to a remote host, run screen, detach and stay logged in............. can I later reattach from the remote host and run X on the first machine? (I'm asking this because I'm behind NAT)
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10:31.10milliganI need bandwidth limiting on a pr user basis. Can anyone suggest a software piece (no gui), or a nice howto on iptables ?
10:31.16jfgi installed etch from network (netinst buisness card), and "ip" program is not present. Someone knows in wich package it is ?
10:31.23petemciproute2
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10:32.09petemcor just iproute, its iproute2 upstream
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10:34.20jfgi know it's not on netbase package
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10:34.40petemcaptitude install iproute
10:34.58jfgpetemc: it was for me ? sorry
10:35.09jfgi thought you answered to milligan
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10:36.39jfgpetemc: thank you very much
10:36.45MrWaxvaldyn: yes,
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10:37.14valdynMrWax: sort <file> | uniq > <newfile>
10:37.19MrWaxok sec
10:37.37MrWaxbtw, i'm using proftpd, any way of having this ftpd using ssl only for connections?
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10:47.21bkwAnyone who knows what can be wrong if my all field.value are NaN when I do a rrdupdate like, rrdtool update netdev-wlan0.rrd N:812686347:865579:0:0:0:0:0:0:76257515:798145:0:0:0:0:0:0
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10:49.19project2501ahey guys. what does create_xconsole in the init scripts do?
10:50.25project2501an/m got it
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10:53.22project2501an/m got hat too
10:53.25project2501athanks!
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10:54.46adrenalineanytime glad we could help
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10:57.51m0zzzyhi folks, wanted to ask, how do I tell apt to install to alternative location (prefix) without changing debian/rules?
10:57.55balazsbelaHello.Where can I find a kde3 version of adept? In the repos I only see a kde4 version
11:00.56tuxcrafterdoes somebody know how much usb isochronous transfer bandwidth a usb two channel audio device needs?
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11:02.43binarymu1antwhat's a good regex for finding a file that ends in .theme from a full path?
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11:06.28joeytwiddle\.theme$
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11:08.24binarymu1antjoeytwiddle: that pulls the entire path, I'm just lookig for the filename
11:08.49petemcbasename
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11:09.48binarymu1antpetemc: thanks, I guess that will have to do
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11:18.33Roland-hey, can I change to xfs without reinstall ?
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11:18.57MrWaxI would like to chop of every character after the 86st on each line of a file
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11:19.14MrWaxi have a file with 100 chars on each line, about 2000 lines
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11:19.17MrWaxhow can I do this best?
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11:26.32Roland-why on earth is debian so slow? :)
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11:27.09valdynRoland-: anything is possible
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11:27.19binarymu1antcompared to what Roland- ?
11:28.01ArtVandalaeRoland-, and what part of Debian? running, booting, launching?
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11:28.14Roland-lauching things
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11:28.26Roland-I just sense it slow, and I have quite good hardware
11:28.31Roland-other distributions rocks
11:28.42sh4d3sl4y3r_!sunday
11:28.42Roland-when I install debian looks good works fine but is so damn slow
11:28.42dpkgSunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
11:28.55binarymu1antlols
11:28.55valdynRoland-: that "sense" is you using a slow / wrong gfx driver?
11:29.01sh4d3sl4y3r_!fortune
11:29.01dpkgi heard fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement
11:29.12valdynRoland-: at least thats what people who have no idea typically "sense"
11:29.27Roland-I used both catalyst and nvidia drivers
11:29.37valdynRoland-: on that same hardware?
11:29.41Roland-yes
11:29.42valdynumm
11:29.43streuner_Roland-: does "adm" should mean admin? :-)
11:30.01valdynRoland-: thats ridiculous, they're not interchangable
11:30.20Roland-down't matter
11:30.26Roland-I am just sorry for it
11:30.37Roland-sorry for typos I have a weird keyboard
11:31.07valdynRoland-: glxinfo | grep -i direct
11:31.20Roland-yes I have direct rendering
11:31.29Roland-it's not ABOUT THE VIDEO CARD, WORKS FINE.
11:31.32Roland-sorry for caps
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11:31.46valdynRoland-: tell us what is slow then
11:31.53Roland-is just that overall the system is slow, like firefox for example when I launch it, etc
11:32.20Roland-even added nopat in grub to fix that ati hang problem.
11:32.52petemcyou tried nvidia drivers with an ati card?
11:32.58Roland-no lol
11:33.03Roland-im not that stupid :)
11:33.13Roland-I have ati radeon hd
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11:33.33balazsbelaI was messing with chkconfig and now I don't have sound.
11:33.35balazsbelahttp://pastebin.com/m2c6f06e0
11:33.37Welshmanroland I have a hd2400
11:33.40balazsbelawhat did I mess up ?
11:33.57Welshmanit does work its just not as straight forward as one would like
11:34.12Roland-01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobilitiy Radeon HD 3400 Series
11:34.21Roland-on other distros works fine.
11:34.26Roland-that is my point.
11:34.45valdynRoland-: we cant help you if you cant narrow it down
11:34.51Roland-on arch, fedora, suse, the system works very fine. on debian is SLOW.
11:34.51Welshmanyes even the new bunt with xorg 7.4 which is odd seeing it shouldnt
11:35.07Welshmanmystery that
11:35.52binarymu1antbalazsbela: I would check alsamixer but idk
11:35.56valdynRoland-: so what you should do before expecting help is like run some pseudo benchmarks to see where the slowness is exactly
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11:36.35WelshmanRoland- what you need to do basically is not use 3d
11:36.57Welshmanits very slow because you have not got it right
11:37.07Roland-3d is fine.
11:37.16WelshmanI would get rid of it and use the opensource drivers
11:37.16Roland-direct rendering ok, etc
11:37.47Roland-yeah I used the original ati drivers, fglrx module, 3d is ok, compiz running.
11:38.06balazsbelais it ok if alsamixer only starts if I'm root ?
11:38.07Welshmanbut your whole system is sluggish
11:38.07Roland-another q: is anybody here using xfs ?
11:38.16Welshmanespecially browsing?
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11:38.30valdynRoland-: polling is off topic
11:38.36valdyn!xfs
11:38.36dpkgThe filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/  Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/  Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>.
11:38.42balazsbelahmm
11:38.44Roland-balazsbela: try gpasswd -a your_username audio
11:38.50balazsbelaI don't have /dev/dsp
11:39.12balazsbelastill no alsamixer.
11:39.15valdynI guess nothing is as mature as ext3
11:39.22balazsbelathe thing is I installed usplash  and it generated a new initrd
11:39.25balazsbelacould it be that ?
11:39.54valdynbalazsbela: no
11:40.06valdyn!alsa checklist
11:40.06dpkg1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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11:41.10balazsbelastrange, amarok works when root.
11:41.21binarymu1antyou need to set permissions balazsbela
11:41.25valdynbalazsbela: so you are not in the audio group
11:41.33balazsbelahmm
11:41.35balazsbelaI'll check
11:41.41valdynbalazsbela: or you did not relogin before adding yourself to the audio group
11:43.05balazsbelaok
11:43.08balazsbelabrb
11:43.12balazsbelathat will be it
11:43.14balazsbelathanks ;)
11:44.20binarymu1anthow can I grep a file for a line like " theme_path = /blah/something/black.theme " and only get the basename back?
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11:45.35DukeDrakehi
11:46.08DukeDrakehow can I generate a kernel config as a file? And then how can I use a config file to configure the kernel?
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11:46.39valdynDukeDrake: /boot/config*
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11:46.54DukeDrakevaldyn: what?
11:46.57valdynDukeDrake: cp config-foo /path/to/src/.config && make oldconfig
11:46.58petemcbinarymu1ant: grep theme foo | awk '{print $NF}' |while read ; do basename $REPLY ; done
11:47.06heverHi. BSD supports a /dev/arandom (http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=random&apropos=0&sektion=4&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html) That reseeds the entropy pool. Is something like this also under linux available ?
11:47.14DukeDrakevaldyn: thanx
11:47.20valdynhever: what does arandom do?
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11:47.23espenel??
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11:47.54hevervaldyn: As required, entropy pool data re-seeds an ARC4 generator, which then generates high-quality pseudo-random output data.
11:48.14binarymu1antpetemc: you are the man, TY ! :)
11:48.23petemcnp
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11:48.33heverSo /dev/random doesn't block on low entropy pool. (As I understand it)
11:48.40valdynhever: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/feisty/reseed
11:48.50valdynhever: urandom blocks
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11:49.25valdynhever: no idea how injecting works in linux, but reseed obviously does it
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11:50.45heverwhow sry again
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11:51.10jep`w
11:51.28DukeDrakewhat's a SLAB allocator?
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11:51.50heverWhow now ubuntu packages are referenced in the debian channel by default...
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11:52.38gavimobileis debian live 5.0 sid?
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11:53.13heverthanks for eeseed bye
11:53.18heverreseed
11:53.40gavimobilebetter yet.. is the latest version of debian  one of the 3? sid, woody and sarge
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11:55.09petemc!releases
11:55.09dpkgreleases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases.  See <release history> for prior releases.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
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12:00.03zmyrgelhey, what does the 'apt-get build-dep amsn' do?
12:00.40Starnestommyzmyrgel: it retrieves all the development packages needed for building amsn from source
12:00.41zmyrgelI read that from amsn faq detailing how to compile amsn on debian-based linux
12:01.04zmyrgelStarnestommy: so I get amsn sources and issue that in the amsn source dir?
12:01.26Starnestommyzmyrgel: I'm not sure
12:02.19zmyrgelhmm... gotta try to find some doc about it then
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12:02.54michlemkenzmyrgel: it sounds like you get all extra stuff needed to build the program - not the program sources - but maybe thy are included
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12:05.10zmyrgelyeah, just checked the apt howto. It appears to download the packages needed to compile the package that is present in debian repo
12:05.26zmyrgelGotta see if there's been any added deps in svn version
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12:07.40eeddhi
12:08.01MrWaxI have 7 text files, and want to combine them all in 1 file
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12:08.02MrWaxany clue how I can best do this?
12:08.18eeddwhat is a "yum provides stuff" equivalent for debian
12:08.25etcat them.txt all.txt together.txt > result.txt
12:08.52etthat's what cat is for, after all, to conCATenate files ;)
12:08.56eeddI have installed expect package but that does not seem to support the unbuffer command
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12:09.35hellueshey
12:09.46helluesi cant find any suitable tutorial for dns
12:09.56helluescan you suggest one ?
12:10.52helluessssssssssss
12:10.57helluessorry
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12:12.38apt_getWich terminal (ssh client) can i use... to make a list of servers and then I can see all the list and only click to connect?
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12:13.02helluesohahaha
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12:13.32valdynapt_get: putty
12:13.50helluesyes putty :D
12:13.54apt_getno i dont want putty
12:14.11apt_getits to small to see many clients.....
12:15.19helluespls suggest a open dns tutorial for debian
12:15.23helluessuitable tutorial
12:15.39helluesbecause i am turkey and lots of web sites are forbidden
12:15.43hellueslike youtube
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12:16.28valdynhellues: edit /etc/resolv.conf, set it to immutable ( man chattr )
12:16.38Welshmanany term will ssh
12:16.44Welshmanjust ssh host
12:16.44valdynhellues: opendns.org would list available dns servers, i guess
12:16.55Welshmanputty is well cool though
12:17.02apt_geti recently install lenny beta2.
12:17.03apt_geti dont know what the best Wireless search application
12:17.15Welshmanbitvise rocks for vista
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12:17.27helluesi edit resolv.conf
12:17.40helluesbut everytime i refresh my connection
12:17.41Welshmansits in the systray and you can callon a term or sftp when ever you like
12:17.59helluesresolv.conf turn back to default
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12:18.27helluesand i am using wireless
12:18.34Welshmanhellues maybe its not being really saved
12:18.42Welshmanopen it as root
12:18.44helluesifdawn eth0 is useless
12:18.53helluesno i do as woor Welshman
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12:19.29Welshmanwhen you open after reboot is it back to the way it was?
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12:20.00erawfishhellues: configure your dhcp client not to get DNS
12:20.02Welshmanif it is then it did not save :)
12:20.14erawfishWelshman: not true
12:20.25Welshmanwhy?
12:20.37erawfishcause his dhcp client changes it
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12:20.47Welshmanwithout permission?
12:20.58erawfishit's the job of the client to do it
12:21.01erawfishand it runs as root
12:21.04Welshmanah
12:21.06Welshmanthanks
12:21.29Welshmanlearn something every day :)
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12:21.49Welshmanis that safe?
12:22.23helluesi look opendns.com
12:22.45Welshmanintodns.com is a good one too
12:23.00helluesi append the line prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220;
12:23.10helluesto /etc/resolv.conf
12:23.29helluesit said "save and exit" than ifdown eth0 ifup eth0
12:23.29erawfishhellues: I told you what to do.
12:23.36helluesbut i am using wlan0
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12:23.44hellueshow can i do down and up
12:23.49helluesfor wlan0
12:23.57erawfishthe same way you do it with eth0
12:24.01hellueshmm
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12:24.26hellueserawfish,  you said static ip
12:24.42helluesdidnt you ?
12:24.46erawfishno I did not
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12:24.50hellueshmm
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12:24.53erawfishI didn't say anything about static IP
12:25.03helluesconfigure your dhcp client not to get DNS
12:25.12hellueswhat do you mean ? I dont understand
12:25.15erawfishyes. and that has nothing to do with static or dyn IP
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12:25.36erawfishI mean you should configure your dhcpclient properly and not ask the same stuff over and over again
12:25.54hellueshow can i configure dhcp client  not to get dns
12:26.04hellueshmm sorry
12:26.13erawfishby editing your dhclient.conf
12:26.13helluesabout repeating
12:27.54apt_getWhats the best terminal manager?  xterm? terminal?  other?
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12:28.22dante_2corerxvt
12:28.27dante_2coreurxvt, to be exact.
12:28.35erawfish!best
12:28.36dpkgBest for what? Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
12:28.42dante_2coreit's what I use, 1) prolly not the best there exists 2) I don't think I can judge
12:28.54Welshmanerawfish cheer up mate
12:29.03Welshmanxterm does for me
12:29.04hellueserawfish,  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239 this is good for that issue " configure dhclient.con not to get dns"
12:29.12dante_2coredepends on what you'd like to have
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12:29.39dante_2coreapt_get, xterm does for most people, I wanted to set a custom font and other stuff, so I started looking into urxvt, and that's what I stuck with.
12:29.57hellueswhat is urvxt ?
12:30.02dante_2coreapt_get, there's mlterm and mrxvt for tabbed terminal emulators, konsole and terminal for kde and gnome etc.
12:30.04Welshman!google
12:30.04dpkgi guess google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com
12:30.04MrWaxI have a file with a lot chars on each line, and on each line also a word (not broken by spaces) between 10 and 40 chars long which always looks like Code=DNU3ONIO88 - I would like to create a new file with on each line ONLY this Code=*
12:30.08MrWaxhow can I best do this?
12:30.10Welshmanlol
12:30.11K_SakuraMost of the time I use an xterm, but sometime I use gnome terminal (when I want to type in Japanese).
12:30.19dante_2corehellues, rxvt with unicode support.
12:30.29dante_2coreWelshman, apt-cache search would be even closer in this case.
12:30.35Welshman:)
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12:31.31dante_2coreMrWax, debian-style answer: man sed, man cat, man tr, perldoc regex
12:31.44dante_2coreMrWax, my answer: what did you want exactly?
12:31.47MrWaxok, not understandable for noobs like me :)
12:32.10MrWaxI want to cut all these Code=UINS7JBJNOINNIONIONIO <- ONLY this
12:32.12dante_2coreperldoc re, for that matter.
12:32.15MrWaxSo everything after Code=
12:32.18dante_2coreah.
12:32.20MrWaxand paste this in a new file
12:32.23MrWaxon each line Code=
12:32.24Welshmanget a for dummies download from mininova
12:32.41dante_2corecat file | sed 's/^Code=//g' >> newfile
12:33.12dante_2corethat should do.
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12:33.45dante_2coredo me a favour and look into sed, linux pipes in general, and read up on regular expressions - that's really useful knowledge.
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12:35.57apt_getthanks
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12:36.21enoufwelcome
12:37.57MrWaxdante_2core: okay
12:37.58dante_2coreafk, call me
12:38.03MrWaxthanks
12:38.14dante_2coreMrWax, no problem.
12:38.28dante_2coreif you have perldoc installed, "perldoc perlre" is a command to learn about regular expressions
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12:40.49enoufdante_2core: well thanks - it's about time someone posted something about learning regex :-P
12:40.49dante_2coreafk, call me
12:41.02dante_2core^^ you're welcome
12:41.06enoufYO! how's that? :-P
12:41.13enoufgit git
12:41.17dante_2coresry, awaymsg. turned it off now
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12:43.22MrWaxdante_2core: that didn't work  for me
12:43.32MrWaxi mean, outputs the same file
12:43.38dante_2corehmn
12:43.41MrWaxwith all the other not needed chars
12:44.00dante_2coretry that then:    cat file | sed 's/Code=//g' >> newfile
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12:44.12MrWaxsec
12:44.16themill!uuoc
12:44.16dpkgUUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award.  Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell.  Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename".  Works for grep and most other Unix utilities.  Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
12:44.32dante_2corebaah @ themill
12:44.37themill:P
12:44.39dante_2core;)
12:45.11dante_2coreMrWax, you do only want the stuff after Code= to be there, right?
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12:46.07dante_2corethemill, at least I don't do "cat file | grep "bla""
12:46.08dante_2core:P
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12:46.14themillheh
12:46.40xingudante_2core: the one that makes my stomach churn is "more foo | grep ..."
12:46.41MrWaxdante_2core: yea, so  for example Code=7698789YUINO sbuiusn then sbuiusn shouldn
12:46.46MrWaxt be there
12:46.51dante_2corexingu, lawl
12:46.56dante_2coreaaaah
12:47.04dante_2coreMrWax, I misunderstood. lemme think
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12:49.37kilthello people
12:49.55dante_2coreMrWax, so... actually only copy the stuff up to the first space, right?
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12:50.52MrWaxyes
12:51.07kiltcould someone tell me how to know which module has loaded a device ? I wonder that because I have the device /dev/net/tun but no tun module loaded
12:51.29pngwn!tell thinkgnu|away -about away
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12:53.49dante_2coreMrWax, try: sed 's/ [A-Za-z0-9]*//g' file >> newfile
12:55.09dante_2corethat pattern drops anything beyond the first space in the line
12:55.12dante_2coreincluding the first space.
12:56.08dante_2corethat doesn't include special characters, though.
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12:56.21dante_2corehardest thing to find for me in regex always was the real wildcard
12:56.28dante_2corelike... match ANY darn character
12:56.38themillif you have lines you need to skip that don't start with Code= then: sed -n '/^Code=/ s/\(Code=[A-Za-z0-9]*\).*/\1/p'
12:57.24dante_2corewhat's that \1 thingy?
12:57.35dante_2coresame as $ ?
12:57.36themillthe contents of \( to \)
12:57.41dante_2coreaah ok.
12:57.57sladiHi! Is there a hood tutoral about printing? I'd use Cups but I'm confused about Gutenprint and Foomatic.
12:58.21MrWaxdante_2core: sec
12:58.47themillor just: awk '/^Code=/ { print $1 }'
12:59.02dante_2coreaah ok.
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12:59.30dante_2coreMrWax, http://cb.vu/unixtoolbox.xhtml <- that page is kinda useful if you don't know some things in cli
12:59.43MrWaxok
12:59.46MrWaxbookmarked
12:59.49dante_2core^^
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13:00.12dante_2corethere's lots of those pages. once you've crawled through them for a certain time, cli gets to feel a lot more like home ;)
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13:00.46MrWaxthemill: cat file | awk '/^Code=/ { print $1 }'  ?
13:01.21dante_2coreMrWax, no, just append file >> newfile in the end
13:01.29dante_2coreawk '/^Code=/ { print $1 }' file >> newfile
13:01.30themillMrWax: from your description, yes, that should work. Cat not required though: awk '/^Code=/ { print $1 }' file > newfile
13:01.34dante_2core(the cat thingy works too)
13:02.20dante_2coredante@dantehost ~ % perldoc perlre
13:02.20MrWaxhmm neither worked for me
13:02.21dante_2core<standard input>:345: a space character is not allowed in an escape name
13:02.24dante_2core... weird.
13:02.27dante_2corewhat did it do then?
13:02.36dante_2coredid you always use >> and the same "newfile" ?
13:02.40dante_2corebecause >> menas "append to file"
13:02.47dante_2core--> the stuff you tried before is still there
13:02.49MrWaxyour cmd didn't grep all the pattern Code=
13:03.07themillMrWax: perhaps you could pastebin some sample data and what you want the output to look like.
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13:03.53DukeDrakehow can I get info on my ide-controller?
13:04.26dante_2core!dpkg hardware info
13:04.27petemcdmesg, hwinfo
13:04.30dante_2core!dpkg hwinfo
13:04.30dpkgi heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles
13:04.35dante_2core!dpkg lshw
13:04.44dante_2coregah I'm so bloody bad at that bot
13:04.45MrWaxthemill: in a few mins
13:05.03dante_2corethere's some !dpkg thing that makes it spawn hardware info programs
13:05.07dante_2core!dpkg whatsmyhardware
13:05.30themilldante_2core: you only need one of ! and dpkg at the start
13:05.35dante_2coreaah ok.
13:05.37dante_2core!hardware
13:05.37dpkgBefore buying any hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. ask me about <hcl>
13:05.40dante_2core!hcl
13:05.44themill!what's my hardware
13:05.45dpkg[hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
13:05.57dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! or If you install lshw, run as root or sudo;  "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation  Ask me about <myram>
13:05.59themilldpkg, you're slow
13:06.02dpkgNo, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
13:06.02dante_2coreaaah. ok. great.
13:06.07dante_2coreXD
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13:06.47DukeDrakethanx =)
13:06.54dante_2coreyou're welcom.e
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13:08.04MrWaxthemill: a line could be for example
13:08.30themillMrWax: it would be easier if you used a pastebin
13:08.33themill!paste
13:08.34dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:08.47MrWaxBIUNOSDSDUNIO www.google.com blabla Code=HUS78778sd 404
13:08.59etdpkg has way too many factoids ;)
13:09.00dpkget: I wish you would RTFM.
13:09.02MrWaxI only need Code=
13:09.02dante_2coreoooh ok.
13:10.02themillMrWax: ahh, I didn't know about the rest of the stuff on the line. The ^ in the awk command pins it to the beginning of the line. Try removing ^ and using $4 not $1.
13:10.05etdpkg: listkeys my hardware
13:10.07dpkgFactoid search of 'my hardware' by key (2): whats my hardware ;; what's my hardware.
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13:10.29dante_2coreMrWax, can Code= be anywhere on the line or is it always the fourth "word"
13:10.47dante_2core!c++
13:10.49themillgood point
13:11.16dante_2coreby word I mean series of characters not containing whitespace
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13:11.52MrWaxdante_2core: anywhere
13:11.57dante_2coremeh
13:11.59themill:(
13:12.00MrWaxthere can be more URL's before
13:12.11dante_2corethat makes it a bit harder, but by far not unsolveable.
13:12.18dante_2coreworst case, I'll write a program that does it :P
13:12.25themillgive up on awk and go back to sed
13:12.54themillMrWax: does every line have Code= in it or only some lines?
13:13.08flourishhello,  i am new to debian. I want to ask what was the name of lightning and sunbird in debian?
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13:14.09Arafangionflourish: You can still install the 'official' ones, just that the names in debian's repo are slightly different due a a legal/diplomatic spat.
13:14.45themillflourish: iceowl
13:15.26ghalebhello, how can I remove empty lines when I cat a file ?
13:15.31flourishthemill: thanks, I use deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib for source, and there's no iceowl.
13:15.40dante_2coreghaleb, grep, sed
13:15.49themillflourish: it's on backports.org; /msg pkg bpo
13:15.58themilljudd: versions iceowl
13:16.00juddthemill: iceowl: 0.7-2~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 0.8-6 (lenny) 0.8-6 (sid)
13:16.02Arafangionghaleb: grep -v ^$ (Not tested)
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13:16.16Arafangion^ being start of line, $ being the end.
13:16.20sladiWhat's the difference between icedtea-gjcwebplugin and icedtea6-plugin please?
13:16.26joeytwiddleghaleb: grep -v '^$'
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13:16.47Arafangionjoeytwiddle: Bash expands them?
13:16.49ghalebArafangion: joeytwiddle  thank you it worked
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13:17.40sandmanBlarg. Say, question regarding SELinux: It seems the support for it in Etch is rather limited.
13:17.43themillSalihu: icedtea6-plugin has this header: Replaces: icedtea-gcjwebplugin.
13:17.44joeytwiddleit doesn't expand ^, just the $ i worry about, altho there's not a lot it can expand on
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13:18.14themillArafangion: if in doubt, quote.
13:18.27flourishthemill: thank you.
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13:18.34sandmanWhich is fine, imho. My question is, however, what is a viable alternative? Additionally, when using a crypt volume (for example, LVM on top of Crypt on top of a RAID volume), are there any repair tools available for it?
13:18.51sandmanLike it is possible to repair an ext3 fs, but what about a broken crypt volume?
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13:19.03Arafangionsandman: Don't forget about your swap volume.
13:19.24sandmanArafangion: My swap is actually on a random-key crypt volume on top of a RAID1 volume
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13:20.47MrWaxthemill: almost every
13:21.20dante_2corethemill, I get a problem - I don't understand how to use the ! directive in sed
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13:21.38themillMrWax: try this one out then:   sed -n '/Code=/ s/.*\(Code=[A-Za-z0-9]*\).*/\1/p' file > newfile
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13:21.53sladithemill: Thanks! It's a bit hidden in Aptitude. :)
13:22.35themilldante_2core: my sed-fu isn't that good.... I keep tripping up in sed because it's not PCRE which is what I'm comfortable with.
13:22.51dante_2corethemill, I see.
13:22.52themillsladi: yeah... I looked in apt-cache show.
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13:24.28adnchello, i need to get a more newly c-client library on my etch installation i did look through the backports.org packages and i didnt find. can someone help me getting the sources and compile it locally?
13:24.49themill!wayttd adnc
13:24.49dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, adnc?
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13:25.22adncthemill: my horde installation doesnt show all the mailbodies, just some are shown and an idea is that my cclient is to old
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13:27.08adncthemill: so i started look for the sources of the package i A libc-client2002edebian on my etch installation, but there isnt
13:27.23adncnow i dont know which package i even need to look for
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13:29.06MrWaxthemill: works, but if for example Code=328768978=2
13:29.09MrWax=2 gets cut off
13:29.19MrWaxCode=6786JBJKBJK=2=3=4
13:29.21MrWaxlike this
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13:29.58jelly-homeMrWax: so add = to the characters in []
13:30.07themillMrWax: that's because you keep changing the specifications on us... the code is defined in that regular expression to be made up of only a-z and 0-9.
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13:30.43adncthemill: any ideas what i could do?
13:31.01janneghi, has debian lenny qt4.4 packages? packages.debian.org seems to be down
13:31.13Corwinto query which package provides the file mkbundle so I know what to install, which command do I use?  I guess dpkg-query only works on installed packages
13:31.21petemcapt-file
13:31.31Corwin:) Thanks petemc
13:31.37petemcnp
13:31.48themilladnc: if you want to try out a newer version of that library, you could try a lenny chroot (/msg dpkg debootstrap) to see if that helps. You could try making your own backport but I don't know if that's going to be possible or helpful.
13:31.57flourishthemill: iceowl stands for sunbird, and can you tell me what stands for lighting:-)
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13:32.41themillflourish: isn't that just an extension into icedove? it's probably not packaged if it's only an extension.
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13:34.14flourishthemill: yes, it just an extension, but i can not find it on mozilla's website.heh maybe i need do more search , thanks
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13:34.45themillflourish: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/releases/lightning0.9.html
13:34.50adncthemill: by making my own backport means compiling it myself?
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13:35.01themilladnc: yes, /msg dpkg ssb
13:35.35adncthemill: but what is the package called for which i need to get the sources. the package here is called libc-client2002edebian
13:35.43adncbut that can notbe the name of the source
13:35.53dante_2corelawl
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13:35.57dante_2corethemill, found an uber hack idea
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13:36.38themilladnc: you'd probably need the libc-client2007b package that is in the uw-imap source package, but apt-get source will get you the right source anyway
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13:37.09apt_getHey... whats the best MSN client for linux X
13:37.13jelly-homewhat's with all the uw-imap backporting these days
13:37.13adncthemill: apt-get source libc-client doesnt  get anything
13:37.16Ovi_2hi there.Since a couple of days ago, whenever I boot debian for some reason it resets the netmask and the gateway. I haven't found much about this issue. Any tips? I;m using lenny
13:37.55themilladnc: indeed... that's because that package doesn't exist. "[13:36] <themill> adnc: you'd probably need the libc-client2007b package ..."
13:37.55CorwinOvi_2: The /etc/network/interfaces is being changed on you?
13:38.01dante_2corethemill, sed 's/\ /\n/g' file | grep --regexp='^Code=' > newfile
13:38.05dante_2core;)
13:38.08Ovi_2Corwin: no, it's fine
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13:38.21dante_2corethere's only one Code= blabla per line so the order won't get messed up
13:38.25dante_2coreMrWax, still around?
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13:38.32Ovi_2Corwin: it remains the way I made it
13:38.32CorwinOvi_2: so it's overridding the values in there?
13:38.37themilldante_2core: ugly! do it all in one sed command!
13:38.40themill:P
13:38.40platonBJShi
13:38.41Ovi_2Corwin: exactly
13:38.42dante_2corefound a rather hack-ish solution to your thing, we might have to tighten it up a bit still
13:38.45dante_2corethemill, works
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13:39.15Corwindante_2core: so you can bring down the interface, bring it back up, and its not set to what's in /etc/network/interfaces
13:39.17Ovi_2Corwin: of course I created an /etc/init.d/ file and used ifconfig and route to solve it manually but I don't know what;s the prb
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13:39.33Corwinopps... sorry dante_2core
13:39.39dante_2coreCorwin, no problem
13:40.01adncthemill: when i say apt-get build-dep libc-client2007b i get this error
13:40.06adncE: Build-dependencies for libc-client2007b could not be satisfied.
13:40.13dante_2corethemill, if you want to put it on one sed-line do that
13:40.14Corwinis a dhcp client runnign overwriting the settings?
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13:40.39Ovi_2Corwin: I don't think so. It's static, I've disabled dhcp in interfaces
13:41.00CorwinOvi_2: is there anything in var/log/messages when you bring the interface up?
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13:41.27themilldante_2core: I did earlier
13:41.42dante_2corethemill, ... I see. and I'm sittin here and trying to get it done ... blaaaah
13:41.53themill!comfort dante_2core
13:41.53dpkgThere, there, dante_2core.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
13:42.11themilladnc: you'll need to get devscripts from backports.org, by the looks of things
13:42.24dante_2coreLMFAO
13:42.30adncthemill: how do i get this
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13:42.37themilldpkg: tell adnc about bpo
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13:43.15themilladnc: and there's no guarantee that your horde will want to talk to this library even when you've upgraded it... backporting can be non-trivial for these sorts of things
13:43.31adncthemill: i see
13:43.54dante_2corethemill, what's that \1 in your sed command?
13:44.13adncthemill: what could be the worst that could happen
13:44.14themilldante_2core: haven't we been here before?
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13:44.45dante_2corethemill, I guess, but I  was too immersed in trying to find a solution to recall. but nevermind, I'll grep the logs.
13:44.49Ovi_2Corwin: if I try to bring the interface up without ifconfiging the gw I get Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument
13:44.49Ovi_2Failed to bring up eth0.
13:44.49Ovi_2done.
13:45.13MrWaxdante_2core: yes
13:45.26themilldante_2core: [12:57] <themill> the contents of \( to \)
13:45.26MrWaxi'm so desperate :p
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13:45.34MrWaxhow u mean?
13:45.44CorwinOvi_2: You're sure theres no type-o in the interfaces file, like a , where a . should be?
13:45.48dante_2corethemill, thanks a lot.
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13:46.01dante_2coreMrWax, nvm, if themill got it working there's no need for my quickndirty hack
13:46.08MrWaxsecond
13:46.27Ovi_2Corwin: nope I've rewritten it twice and also used network-admin to modify it
13:46.37adncthemill: i have already thebackportet devscripts 2.10.35~bpo40+1
13:46.37themilladnc: the worst case is that php will probably just ignore that library or trying to install it will cause php to be uninstalled.
13:46.40MrWaxwhich timespan did he say it?
13:46.46MrWax14:** ?
13:47.11themillMrWax: sed -n '/Code=/ s/.*\(Code=[A-Za-z0-9=]*\).*/\1/p' file > newfile
13:47.25adncstrange the build-dependendy is still not solved
13:48.01jelly-homeintroduces themill to grep -o
13:48.11MrWaxworks!
13:48.13MrWaxthanks a load
13:48.37CorwinOvi_2: I did a quick google search on that error and didn't immediately find an answer..
13:48.55dante_2corebows to themill, the master of regex and sed
13:48.57dante_2core:P
13:48.57themilljelly-home: that would work nicrly too
13:49.00Ovi_2Corwin: I should probably investigate it further and send a bug report....lenny still has plenty of bugs to become stable
13:49.21Ovi_2Corwin: so did I and a single other gui had this problem and no one proposed any solutions
13:49.21CorwinOvi_2: Is this a wifi adapter?
13:49.28Ovi_2Corwin: no
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13:50.47Ovi_2Corwin: perhaps I should mention but id prb doesn't matter that I get this error:  b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the latest firmware
13:51.02Ovi_2Corwin: but I doubt is has anything to do with it since I'm not wireless
13:51.20CorwinOvi_2: Thats really strange...
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13:51.34CorwinOvi_2: This looks like your problem: http://www.forumdebian.com.br/anterior-topico-3867.html&sid=7208abe92fbcb3efdfca8aa96994ce8c
13:51.34adncwhat can i do to solve this dependency:
13:51.35adncE: Build-dependencies for libc-client2007b could not be satisfied.
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13:53.18jelly-homeadnc: look at debian/control, install what you can out of Build-Depends, and figure out what's missing
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13:54.02MrWaxoh another question, If I have 10 directories, which are all like AB_36789 AB_3287269 and want to strip AB_ from all these directory names, can I do this with bash?
13:54.19asgMrWax: try the 'rename' command
13:54.48Ovi_2Corwin: yes. They only showed a work around using ifconfig which I already did. Anyway it's not much of an issue...thk Corwin for your reply
13:55.18jelly-homeMrWax: a=AB_1234567; echo ${a#AB_}
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13:55.24adncwhen i say dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us i get this
13:55.25adncdpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt patchutils (>= 0.2.25) dh-buildinfo cdbs (>= 0.4.39) libpam-dev libkrb5-dev comerr-dev d-shlibs
13:55.29CorwinOvi_2: I know it wasn't a solution, just someone else with your problem
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13:56.13jelly-homeMrWax: now combine that knowledge of ${variable#AB_} with a for loop.
13:56.16CorwinOvi_2: Stuff like that just passes for the norm on Windows, but this is Linux! There is a simple explaination somewhere
13:56.19Ovi_2Corwin: fortunately (or not) is a rare problem
13:57.27adncjelly-home: do i also need libpam ?
13:57.30Ovi_2Corwin: if it was windows probably the only work around would be reinstalling windows so I'm a happy debian user :D
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13:58.00CorwinOvi_2: That is very true. Debian has a way of keeping it's users happy.
13:58.19pi31415by repelling the users who become unhappy
13:58.20AvKhi
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13:58.40AvKwhat was the name of the java ssh client
13:58.49Corwinpi31415: lol
13:59.24jelly-homeadnc: you need whatever's listed in Build-Depends
13:59.44CorwinGoogle tells me JTA
14:00.04adncjelly-home: is this a file in the sources?
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14:00.37jelly-homeadnc: it definitely is.  I assumed you were trying to do a backport
14:00.40WinolHey there guys ! I would like to quit WinXP and try Debian , Is it possible to put the netinstall iso on a USB Key and install debian from that ?
14:00.56asgWinol: yes, /msg dpkg ig
14:00.59adncjelly-home: yes, but i'm getting desperate. and dont know what todo
14:01.09Ovi_2I'm also curious about that. I read it's possible yet I never tried it out
14:01.42pi31415what has been the biggest change in Debian since 2005?
14:01.42jelly-homeadnc: dpkg-checkbuilddeps told you what's needed, so install those
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14:01.54CorwinWinol: should be fine. The hardest part of Debian is the install, just keep that in mind
14:02.06jelly-homeadnc: you might need to backport one or more of the packages listed, too
14:02.14Winolok heheh :)
14:02.18Winoli' ll try that then
14:03.29jelly-homepi31415: 2.6 kernel only? udev? the major version number changed?
14:03.44Ovi_2Winol: almost every time I installed debian I ran into a problem relating to xorg.conf . If it happens to you don't despair, it's easy to fix it
14:03.44CorwinWinol: another possibility is to boot from a live CD (knoppix, ubuntu, etc) and use debootstrap
14:04.13pi31415jelly-home: those sound like reasonable changes that one would expect from a major linux distribution
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14:04.30WinolCorwin, it's going to be hard for me to deal with that method :) But i d like to thank you for the suggestion :)
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14:05.52pi31415I was surprised recently to read Donald Knuth say in an interview that he uses Ubuntu
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14:07.21asgpi31415: I'm sure he'd be happy using anything that came with TeX and a decent C toolchain
14:07.44CorwinWinol: It's easier that it sounds, but if you're just learning Linux then maybe the netinst would be easier for you.
14:08.12Winolhehe
14:09.04Winoli'll try the net install . I would like to use a Double boot Debian / FAN (Wich is a CentOS distro) . Is it easy to do ? I ve already did triple boot with XP Slack backtrack , but i never used debian . is it ok ?
14:09.25jpinxWinol: if you are setting up a dual boot, defrag windows first
14:09.28pi31415asg: you're right
14:09.47sandmanSo to add a new drive to an existing software RAID1, all I need to do is create comparable partitions on the new drive to be added to the old array, and use mdadm --add /dev/md* /dev/[s,d]da* ?
14:10.10WinolOh yeah ?
14:10.18Winolok jpinx i m doing that right now
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14:11.44jpinxWinol: debian netinstal is a breeze, depending on your connection
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14:12.17rebel_kidi need a simple CLI bandwidth monitor that can record bandwidth usage for weeks or months any ideas?
14:12.30pi31415i like how redhat makes software raid easy to set up.. just point and click in the installer and "out of the box" you get software raid and lvm, versus installing, dropping to command line, configuring raid, and installing again
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14:13.10jpinxWinol: you can pretty much accept defaults throughout. there is only one wrinkle and that is to comment out the line referring to your CD in /etc/apt/sources.list after the install or you can't install any other packages
14:13.17jelly-homepi31415: oh yeah, the installer was improved too
14:13.21asgpi31415: the etch installer has that ability on exper installs ; lenny's does also
14:13.26asg*expert
14:13.29pi31415i learned recently that on redhat it depends on the gui installer and won't work in the text based installer
14:13.32Winoljpinx, i have a cable modem connection . 20 Megs
14:13.48jpinxWinol:   I'm jealous !;)
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14:14.04WinolI'm jealous too , i don't know how to use deb ! :D
14:14.10pi31415one thing i do not like about redhat is that the installer runs out of memory on systems with less than half a gig of ram
14:14.30jpinxWinol: it's easy - honest - even  I can do it
14:15.03Winolok , so i'll poke you if i'm in trouble :)
14:16.26pi31415debian seemed more likely to needlessly modify packaged, redhat seemed more likely to needlessly exclude packages
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14:16.27jpinxWinol: you're welcome - I'm totally non-expert and learnt the hard way
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14:16.33Winol:)
14:17.13MrWaxI have one more quick question: Lets say I have .txt file that has 20 lines with line1: CODE3 - line2: CODE333 . and in another .txt file I would like to remove all these lines that got the lines of file1
14:17.21MrWaxany suggestion how I can do this best?
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14:18.36jelly-homeMrWax: grep -v -f file1 file2
14:18.50kamcio2603yol
14:18.53linuxawyI have a problem on my newly installed lenny, Xorg crashes too often with no apparent reason, my vga is intel 915 ... anyone free to help?
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14:19.37MrWaxjelly-home: would that delete all lines from file2?
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14:20.23jelly-homeMrWax: no, grep outputs to stdout
14:20.56jelly-homeMrWax: you would use redirection to a third file if you want the result to be saved
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14:22.14MrWaxjelly-home: but that command, would compare all lines that in file1 with file2, and for each line that is in file1 it will delete all lines that are like that in file2?
14:23.56jelly-homeMrWax: no, it wouldn't delete anything from file2; however, it would output all the lines from file2 that didn't look like any of the lines from file1
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14:24.30valdynMrWax: are we doing your homework?
14:25.06MrWaxno
14:25.11jelly-homethe examples seem too useful to be homework
14:25.16IP-v6anyone can paste sources.list of lenny ?
14:25.20MrWaxjelly-home: yea that's what i need!
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14:25.34valdyn!sources.list
14:25.34dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
14:25.45MrWaxyea, this is practical stuff, i'm a developer, but practically know shit about bash scripting
14:25.48MrWaxok gonna check
14:25.57IP-v6valdyn: thanks
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14:27.15TDJACRI just installed x, but when I try to start it, I get loads of errors, telling me many font dirs are missing. Any ideas?
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14:30.13vltHello. I installed ntp on a Debian machine but the time isn't correct. Any idea where to look first?
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14:31.50googHey People! How would you updated Ubuntu 7 from Gimp 2.2 to the latest version?
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14:32.18Maliutavlt: the usual places. is ntpd running? can it talk to the servers it needs? is there a firewall issue?
14:32.19vltgoog: (This is a Debian channel.)
14:32.35linuxawyanyone to help me with my xorg problem? it randomly crashes and refuses to start again unless i restart my laptop
14:32.36TDJACRI just installed x, but when I try to start it, I get loads of errors, telling me many font dirs are missing. Any ideas?
14:32.38Maliutagoog: I'd install debian
14:32.41vltMaliuta: ntp is running. No firewall issues.
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14:32.50Maliutavlt: have you checked?
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14:33.11googvlt: isnt ubuntu a modified debian?
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14:33.29Maliutavlt: does ntpdate connect to the same server that ntpd is trying to talk to
14:33.33vltMaliuta: Yes, I can run `ntpdate-debian` from another machine in the same network.
14:33.36TDJACRCould not open default font, fixed
14:33.43Maliutagoog: it's a fork based on debs .. you fork it you own it
14:33.49vltMaliuta: How can I find out the it's trying to connect to?
14:34.01vltgoog: There's a ubuntu support channel.
14:34.04Maliutagoog: go somewhere that supports ubuntu
14:34.31Maliutavlt: the server lines in ntp.conf
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14:34.58Maliutavlt: and from a machine on the same network isn't the same
14:35.25Maliutavlt: find the server and then run 'ntpdate <server>'
14:35.57vltMaliuta: I can't run `ntpdate` while ntpd is running, can I?
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14:36.05valdynTDJACR: no you didnt install X
14:36.10valdyn!fixed
14:36.10dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package.  usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg"
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14:37.53Maliutavlt: no
14:37.53vltMaliuta: The ntpdc command "listpeers" shows me 4 lines of servers from the ntp pool.
14:38.09Maliutavlt: can you talk to any of them?
14:38.15Maliutavlt: try and see
14:38.38Maliutavlt: FWIW I always use an ntp server closer to me than the pool.ntp ones
14:38.48Maliutavlt: your ISP should have one you can use
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14:39.34vltMaliuta: I don't want to fix it manually now. I want to find out WHY it isn't working.
14:39.52vltMaliuta: The ntpdc command "peers" shows me a more detailed table.
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14:40.00vltMaliuta: This is an example line: "=mail.brueckensc 192.168.1.1     16 1024    0 0.00000  0.000000 3.99217"
14:40.43vltMaliuta: The table headers: "     remote           local      st poll reach  delay   offset    disp"
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14:44.51xinguvlt: run ntpq then use lass, then psta <assID>
14:45.04xinguvlt: pastebin the result somewhere and I'll walk you through it.
14:45.27xinguvlt: nb, ntpdate is dead
14:45.30xingu!ntpdate
14:45.30dpkgwell, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp.
14:45.55jelly-homeew
14:46.23jelly-homeer, what was the choke/on/a/bucket/of/cocks bug number again?
14:46.45xingujelly-home: 477454
14:46.51jelly-hometyvm!
14:46.54MrWaxI have one more question, yea i know this looks like homework, but it really ain't:
14:47.00MrWaxto delete all lines in a file that got less than xx characters, what would be the correct cmd? anyone knows?
14:47.48enoufxingu: er .. you recalled that a bit too quickly ;-)
14:49.13jpinxin lenny if I do aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade 2  or 3 times in a row, there is always something to upgrade. I know my connection is slow, but is lenny really evolving so fast?
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14:49.57xinguenouf: bookmarks have their uses :)
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14:50.25enoufxingu: haha .. i don't want to know your search term :-p
14:50.27vltxingu: Hmmm, `lasso...` says "ntpq: read: Connection refused"
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14:50.46xinguvlt: just lass
14:51.16jpinxah-ha after the 5th update and full-upgrade it hasn't anything to do :D
14:51.21xinguvlt: if it's saying connection refused then ntpd isn't running - it's possible, but not too useful to debug an ntpd that's not running
14:51.33xinguvlt: if you must, switch to your upstream via host ...
14:51.36enoufjpinx: i was going to mention try 4 and 5 times :-P
14:51.39xinguvlt: ie, host ip.ad.dr.es
14:51.57xinguvlt: if you're lucky and they're kind, they'll permit mode7 packets (I don't as a rule)
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14:52.26jpinxenouf: cool - yea - it takes quite a few shots, but it's worth it to get everything up to date
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14:52.45ant45anyone know if there is a way I can call "dpkg -i" from within a package pre/post install script? (I know its not nice or neat, but its complicated and this is the best I can come up with)
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14:53.01p3rtissh(7459) get_socket_address: getnameinfo 8 failed: Name or service not known
14:53.01p3rtissh(7459) userauth_hostbased: cannot get local ipaddr/name
14:53.07p3rtihi.. someone know why i get this error?
14:53.07vltxingu: Oh, sorry, I forgot that I stopped ntpd to test if ntpdate is working ...
14:53.16valdynant45: this is silly, but why wouldnt it be possible?
14:53.21p3rtii'm trying to connect without pass with two nodes on ssh
14:53.25jpinxcan I install the etch .deb package for Skype on lenny without borking stuff?
14:54.09ant45valdyn, its really complicated - i am building a deb inside a package to install some restricted code - i am trying to go for ease of use for end users, and this would be the easiest. dpkg is of course locked while pre/post install scripts are running
14:54.16enoufjpinx: it depends on depends
14:54.17vltxingu: Ok, there must be a connection problem. All assIDs return status "8000 unreach" ... I'll check ...
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14:54.59MrWaxDoes anyone know how I can best delete all lines in a file that got less than XX characters?
14:55.10enoufant45: postpone it
14:55.19jpinxenouf: Hmm - is it possible to rollback if it screws up?
14:55.25ant45enouf, how?
14:55.39enoufjpinx: no such thing - however ...
14:55.44enoufant45: man sleep?
14:56.19ant45enouf, i thought about that - it is possible, but really nasty. Was hoping there might be an apt exit hook or something
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14:56.27enoufjpinx: is skype in the official etch repos?
14:56.35my007mshello i need help to install debian in sparc machine
14:56.52jpinxenouf: don't think so - I got this from the skype website
14:56.53my007msafter i boot i get errot msg say Loading initial ramdisk (3881967 bytes at 0x2F802000 phys, 0x40C00000 virt)...
14:56.53my007msIllegal Instruction
14:57.01bkwenouf: skype is not open afaik, you can fetch a package from skype.com
14:57.12enoufjpinx: then you're on your own with that - either you trust them or you don't
14:57.13ant45jpinx, skype is not in debian - skype.com builds debs iirc
14:57.16jpinxskype is closed source - yea
14:57.44jpinxbut it works - I don't have an option that works as well
14:57.50themilljpinx: works fine in lenny
14:58.01enoufwith atleast these;  a) to work, b) to be secure, c) to uninstall correctly
14:58.26jpinxthemill: thanks - I'll save my home and try it then
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14:59.15sladiIf my printer according to the Openprinting website should use a Ghostscript built-in driver, do I need any Foomatic or Gutenprint packages then?
14:59.59valdynsladi: sure
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15:00.47sladivaldyn: Could you tell me why or point me to some info? I googled and I'm still not sure, why I'd need them.
15:00.49valdynsladi: ppd files specify which driver to use
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15:01.25valdynsladi: basically, the foomatic and gutenprint ppd files specify which driver to use with which options
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15:01.48tobiashttp://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-2050 - is this an issue in etch?
15:02.26sladivaldyn: OK thanks! :)
15:03.13my007mshow can i tell installer i don't have video card
15:03.40valdynmy007ms: you want to install over ssh?
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15:04.03my007msvaldyn i in SPARC machine with serial port
15:04.07jelly-hometobias: http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences suggests it's been fixed
15:04.40valdynmy007ms: even tried google?
15:04.42valdynhttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/install.txt.en
15:04.58my007msvaldyn http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg572799.html
15:05.42jpinxthemill: I have old lo-spec hardware, but running lenny happily. Will Skype work ok for text messages? I really don't expect it to work for voice on my old laptop.
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15:06.42valdynsystems use of serial console can be activated automatically by disconnecting
15:06.52valdynthe keyboard before booting the system.
15:06.59valdynoh well i dont know anything about sparc though
15:07.29my007msthanks valdyn
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15:07.35my007msi will go and try now :)
15:10.22jpinxhow do I get synaptic to point at a downloads directory I created?
15:10.23themilljpinx: should do, but if you only want text then why not use something else like a jabber client?
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15:10.45jpinxthemill: never tried jabber..
15:10.51jpinxgoogles jabber
15:10.54p3rtissh(7459) get_socket_address: getnameinfo 8 failed: Name or service not known
15:10.56p3rtissh(7459) userauth_hostbased: cannot get local ipaddr/name
15:10.59p3rtii'm trying to connect without pass with two nodes on ssh
15:11.04p3rtisomeone know why i get this error?
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15:13.23themilltobias: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2008-2050 also /msg dpkg tracker of doom
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15:14.54jpinxthemill: I use pidgin for all my message accounts, and I see it will do jabber, but how do I get jabber to send international texts?
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15:15.54themilljpinx: ahh... there is probably a jabber gateway for that, but I don't know where...
15:16.10vltMaliuta, xingu: My NAT router is running ntpd too. When one of my internal machines tries to connect to an ntp server outside I can see the answer packets on port 123 coming in through router's ppp0 but not been forwarded to the local LAN. Does a running ntpd prevent NAT forwarding of those packets?
15:16.56xinguvlt: no
15:16.56Maliutavlt: that would depend on your router configuration
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15:17.48Maliutavlt: from the thing you posted before I am assuming that there is a dns hijack going on and the ntpd on the router isn't conf'd for it
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15:19.04vltMaliuta: Why do you think of a DNS hijacking?
15:19.55MrWaxcat file1 | sort > newfile
15:19.55MrWaxwould this sort file1 in digits?
15:20.10Maliutavlt: because the default hosts are for pool.ntp.org servers and the host you had was a 192.168 address that looks like a router
15:20.13asg!uuoc
15:20.13dpkgUUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award.  Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell.  Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename".  Works for grep and most other Unix utilities.  Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
15:20.14valdynMrWax: man sort
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15:21.37Maliutavlt: I know there are some routers that hijack all dns queries to the resolver they run (and not just via dhcp) ... seems plausible that some might extend that for other services they run (like ntp)
15:22.25jpinxgoogles jabber gateway
15:22.25vltMaliuta: The router runs on Debian Etch. The 192.168.1.1 address I posted before was in the column "local" of the peers table.
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15:23.16themillMrWax: are we still doing your homework?
15:23.24vltMaliuta: Watching traffic on the router's internal and external interface shows me the ntp requests been sent out properly to external peers and answers arriving on the external device but not been forwarded on the internal one ...
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15:27.01xinguhands vlt the special filing cabinet (with inbuilt crusher) for broken network elements
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15:28.54vltxingu: To put the router's iptables.sh in there? ;-)
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15:30.01enouftries to juggle work, play, and romance, all on a Sunday ... ugh
15:30.42mizmaxhi all! who is dist upgrade etch to lenny ?
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15:31.32asgenouf: if you are coding Virtual Valerie IV, all three could possibly be met
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15:34.06p3rtinobody knows!!
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15:36.51asgp3rti: probably because your host doesn't have an entry in DNS or /etc/hosts from the error
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15:37.33MrWaxthemill: no
15:38.24dustybini just put in a dual intel NIC on my backend, when i put x doesnt start, i keep on now getting lots of these in dmesg:
15:38.27dustybinagpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 8x mode
15:39.20dustybin*boot
15:39.34dustybincan the PCI bus run out of bandwidth?
15:41.06tuxcrafterdoes somebody know how to search back in iriss history?
15:41.10valdyndustybin: easily
15:41.20acemiis it possible to mount root fs without rebooting, after to get 'unable to mount root fs" message from grub?
15:42.21themillMrWax: :) have a look at the -n option to sort.
15:42.45tuxcrafter/iriss/irssi
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15:43.29Aggro__tuxcrafter: page up
15:44.29jpinxwhat's the syntax to add a downloaded .deb to my sources.list and get it installed with aptitude ( I gave up with synaptic )
15:44.48MrWaxthemill: i tried sort file1 > file1
15:44.55MrWaxbut then file1 gets -bytes
15:44.57MrWax-=0
15:45.01MrWaxany clue what i'm doing wrong?
15:45.33MuH4hAHi there! I wanted to build a german live-cd with live helper and set LH_LANGUAGE to "de"... it did not work. Do I have to write "ger" or "ge"?? also how do I change the keymap to german?
15:45.36themillMrWax: I have no idea from that what you're doing or what you're trying to do.
15:45.40p3rtiasg, ok, i'm looking on /etc/hosts and i have it ip andhost
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15:45.49tuxcrafterAggro__: i mean search for text
15:45.52tuxcrafternot scroll back
15:45.58``y7how do i figure out what my cpu is in debian 4.0 without rebooting and looking on the machine bootup?
15:46.03p3rtiasg, i look the public keys and are fine on /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
15:46.18tuxcrafteror list all my entered text in a channel log
15:46.22MrWaxthemill: I try to sort a file
15:46.26themill``y7: cat /proc/cpuinfo
15:46.26MrWaxthat has some lines
15:46.27MrWax2
15:46.28MrWax1
15:46.29MrWax9
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15:46.31p3rtiwhere i can get a debug of the conection_
15:46.32p3rti?
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15:46.37MrWaxsrry
15:46.38themilldpkg: tell MrWax about paste
15:46.49Aggro__tuxcrafter: I grep the log file when I need to do something like that. Don't know better way.
15:46.52MrWaxI though the max was 5 ;)
15:46.54MrWaxthought
15:47.21asgp3rti: and does the machine you are trying to connect to resolve also? dig -x <ip of remote> ; also, does ssh -vv ... display the error you pasted above?
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15:47.59assasukasse_themill: in testing, which DM can i use beside gnome-kde?
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15:48.10``y7themill: thank you
15:49.13MrWaxthemill: any clue what i'm doing wrong?
15:49.21p3rtiasg, http://pastebin.ca/1249571
15:49.45p3rtii think that the machine that im trying to connect cant resolve it the name.. but i can put it /etc/hosts
15:51.01p3rtii want to hostbased autentication without dns resolv asg
15:51.32themillMrWax: as I said, use the -n option to sort. sort -n file > newfile
15:51.51MrWaxthemill: can it be also sort -n file > file?
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15:52.09themillMrWax: no, that truncates "file".
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15:52.59Elmaronalthough I used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to configure exim4 to save the mails in ~/Maildir/ of the targeted user, it still attempts to open a file in /var/mail
15:53.00Elmaronwhy?
15:53.18themillassasukasse_: why are you asking me?
15:53.49assasukasse_themill: usually its you that answer me :D
15:53.56MrWaxthemill: ok clear
15:54.07MrWaxwhat does the -n do?
15:54.31themillassasukasse_: heh... please ask the channel not just one person. What if I'm not around? just gone off for lunch or *shock* don't know?
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15:54.49assasukasse_:D
15:55.15themillMrWax: read: man sort
15:55.23assasukasse_ok, im going to install lenny on my laptop eradicating ubuntulu. But i don't like gnome or kde, is there any other SUPER light wm i could use?
15:55.37asgassasukasse_: xfce, fluxbox
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15:57.03assasukasse_asg xfce is fine, i tried in xubuntu, but was not too fast than gnome...fluxbox is a nono...better icewm at this point :D
15:57.10assasukasse_ah icewm is in debian lenny?
15:57.27asgshould be
15:57.29petemcElmaron: one of the debian exim4 maintainers is in #exim , if you're patient im sure he'll answer
15:57.36themilljudd: versions icewm
15:57.37juddthemill: icewm: 1.2.28-4 (etch) 1.2.35-1 (lenny) 1.2.35-1 (sid)
15:58.35MrWaxthemill: you know some freelance site which can for a tarif fix some small issue?
15:58.57MrWaxi need every line that has less then 60 chars to be deleted
15:59.03MrWaxis there some script needed for that?
15:59.07themill!consultants
15:59.08dpkgi guess consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/
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15:59.54MrWaxok
16:00.25assasukasse_btw, do i need any script for menus?
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16:02.12petemcMrWax: you co do that easily with sed
16:02.24themillMrWax: but you really should spend some time learning some perl, sed and awk: awk 'length > 60 {print}' file > newfile
16:02.47MrWaxDo you know any good courses (apart from reading manuals)
16:02.52MrWaxPaid or unpaid
16:03.02MrWaxthat can really learn one perl good
16:04.39themill!perl tutorial
16:04.39dpkgrumour has it, perl tutorial is at http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/Perl/start.html or at http://www.netcat.co.uk/rob/perl/win32perltut.html#63-Morewaystoaccessarrays or at http://www.decus.org/decus/papers/perl.html or at http://www.perl.com/reference/query.cgi?tutorials+index, or http://wwwacs.gantep.edu.tr/docs/perl-ebook/
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16:08.40Ash-FoxI keep rereading this, http://openvpn.net/howto.html#redirect - but, I cannot see what I have done wrong with my configs, http://pastebin.com/d509e0c02 connections just are not routing through the VPN by default - anyone have any ideas?
16:09.05pipelineperl replaces sed and awk >:(
16:09.14MartinCleaverpaste?
16:09.14peterrooneyMrWax: and Learning Perl is still worth buying and reading and practicing.
16:09.14pipelineassasukasse_: stumpwm, awm
16:09.30MartinCleaver<PROTECTED>
16:09.40MartinCleaveroops
16:09.48valdynAsh-Fox: route del default wlan0 ; route add default tun0
16:09.56pipelinepeterrooney, MrWax : I am not abundantly fond of "Learning Perl."  It's pretty dated, and it's not really any easier than "Programming Perl."
16:10.03Ash-Foxvaldyn, that will kill the vpn connection
16:10.18valdynAsh-Fox: i thought tun0 was your vpn
16:10.28Ash-Foxvaldyn, which connects over wlan0
16:10.32assasukasse_pipeline: which one u use?
16:10.35asgpipeline: didn't O'reilly just release a new revision for 8.10?
16:10.45valdynAsh-Fox: in that case your route should not be default thru wlan0
16:11.07Ash-Foxtries.
16:11.08valdynAsh-Fox: which host is the vpn host?
16:11.17pipelineassasukasse_: none of them.  My PC was made in the last ten years, ergo I don't care about things being super light :)
16:11.40valdynAsh-Fox: i.e. the target that is reached by your default route?
16:11.46pipelineasg: Yeah, it's been updated several times.  It's still very dated.  They write code in strange and backwards ways.
16:11.49assasukasse_pipeline: i use a 1.4Ghz pc with BLUBUNTU and is very bothersome to see is sooo slow
16:11.52Ash-Foxvaldyn, I connect to the vpn server via wlan0, trajan.quickfox.org
16:12.06valdynAsh-Fox: and tun0 is the vpn?
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16:12.16Ash-Foxtun0 is the vpn connection, yes.
16:12.47asgpipeline: true but I expect that is due to pedagogy. Perl Best Practices seems a little more reasonable.
16:12.53valdynAsh-Fox: route add -host trajan.quickfox.org gateway home wlan0 ( or somesuch )
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16:13.10pipelineasg: I expect it is due to folks not wanting to rewrite a book from scratch :)
16:13.19pipelineasg: Teaching people to write lousy code is poor teaching indeed :P
16:13.20asgpipeline: I still have a Pink Llama somewhere ;)
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16:14.37Ash-FoxThanks valdyn =)
16:14.42valdynAsh-Fox: and once that route is setup up, remove the default route etc as i said above
16:14.54Ash-Foxvaldyn, yeah, I figured it out. Cheers :)
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16:15.00oOarthurOoI'm being prompted for a passphrase using ssh-keygen right now, how big a deal is it to leave empty? What are the risks?
16:15.20uklhi.  I ran into a mystery... I installed debian/lenny on a dell vostro notebook using netinst images and a pppoe connection (modules=ppp-udeb); everything worked great but the installed system is not able to create a pppoe connection at all.
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16:16.04valdynukl: try pppoe-discovery
16:16.05asgoOarthurOo: the risk is that anyone who has your private key or access to your account could access any system that key is used for.
16:16.12uklvaldyn: fails
16:16.19valdynukl: so you dont have pppoe
16:16.23uklvaldyn: tried pppoeconf, which fails at the same stage
16:16.36valdynukl: debian cant fix that, check your actual dsl
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16:17.19valdynukl: but maybe you have several nics and got confused there
16:17.20uklvaldyn: I've got two debian lenny installations here; one is online right now; configured using pppoeconf, the other one is not able to get online using the same cable and everything
16:17.31uklvaldyn: there's one eth0 only
16:17.46oOarthurOoasg: Ok... I'm ok with that. But does it make my life easier at all? For instance, when using nautilus to browse remote folders over ssh, or using rsync to backup data to the remote host, am I making my life easier in that respect by not using a passphrase, or will I simply be prompted for the null password.
16:18.07p3rtii'm very worrrieeed
16:18.18oOarthurOoBecause if I'm still going to be prompted for the empty passphrase, I may as well have something in there.
16:18.49asgoOarthurOo: you should be prompted but if you are using Gnome, it may be better to give it a passphrase and store it in your gnome keyring so that unlocking your account will also take care of feeding the passphrase.
16:19.08asgsorry, you shouldn't be prompted on an empty passphrase
16:19.12oOarthurOoasg: Sounds pretty ideal. Ok, thanks.
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16:19.34uklvaldyn: by "pppoe" you meant my network setup; you haven't been referring to some package, right?
16:20.31uklthe mysterious thing is that everything worked in the installer but doesn't work in the installed system
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16:25.14x86I'm trying to add a source in /etc/apt/sources.list, so I can install the 'dynamips' and 'dynagen' packages from the sid repos on my etch system
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16:25.59MartinCleaverOk... apt-get looks for binary-amd64 and seems to ignore binary-all. Can anyone help me specify?
16:26.00x86I add the deb and deb-src lines, and then run apt-get update... it fetches from all of my sources, and then segfaults at "reading package lists"
16:26.10MartinCleaverhttp://paste.debian.net/21050/ has full details
16:26.45x86and then apt-get will segfault with any other operation, until I remove the deb and deb-src lines I added for the sid repo
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16:26.56x86any ideas?
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16:27.07x86deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sid main non-free
16:27.09x86deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sid main non-free
16:27.10MartinCleaverI don't know X1938
16:27.12themillx86: oh dear. what's the output of dpkg -l libc6 apt
16:27.25MartinCleaverx86, rather, sorry
16:27.42themillx86: please use a pastebin
16:27.44themill!paste
16:27.44dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:28.12MartinCleaverponders binary-all vs. binary-amd64
16:28.26p3rtii'm trying to make hostbase authentication with openssh... i get this error http://pastebin.ca/1249603
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16:28.40x86themill: http://pastebin.ca/1249604
16:28.51p3rtii have on /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts the hostname of the clients with the public keys
16:28.58p3rtido i need the server too?
16:29.32oOarthurOoI'm getting this error because I changed the port ssh listens to on, from default to 444. "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.121 port 22: Connection refused" How would I specify the correct port on this command?  "ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub arthur@192.168.0.121"
16:30.12petemcoOarthurOo: put a line in ~/.ssh/config telling it to use that port for that host, is one way
16:30.24MartinCleaverreads http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-amd64@lists.debian.org/msg00388.html
16:30.27themillx86: ok, so all is not lost. Remove the "deb" line for sid and then try apt-get update again.
16:30.28asgoOarthurOo: see if appending ':444' to the ip doesn't fix it
16:30.35x86themill: yeah that works
16:30.59x86themill: but I want to add a sid repo so I can get this package installed
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16:31.08themillx86: good. You can't mix releases that way, you'll have to try making a backport. /msg dpkg ssb
16:31.22x86hmm
16:31.29x86I mixed lenny and sid once just fine
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16:31.42MartinCleaverI suppose this will work as a workaround. Doesn't explain why you need binary-amd64 if you have binary-all
16:32.01themillx86: that was when lenny was almost the same as sid. Etch is a long long way from sid.
16:32.33xandoOarthurOo: looking at ssh-copy-id you'll probably have to copy the id_rsa.pub manually (-P option to scp to specify the port)
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16:33.55x86themill: ah ok
16:34.06x86themill: looks like this backport thing will work, thanks :)
16:35.18oOarthurOoThree answers, three options. :) I couldn't get it to work with appending :444, and hadn't finished reading up on creating the config file when xand piped in with the -P 444 option, which did *something*, since gnome prompted me to unlock the key with my passphrase and then generated this error: "ssh: Could not resolve hostname umask 077; test -d .ssh || mkdir .ssh ; cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys: Name or service not known" Perhap
16:35.48xand-P is for scp
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16:36.18oOarthurOooh... and I was using ssh-copy
16:36.33gothenburgHow can I run a php-file every hour?
16:36.43xandgothenburg: crontab
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16:36.57gothenburgxand: Yes, but how?
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16:37.11gothenburgI don't know the commando for that
16:37.53xandscp id_rsa.pub to the other machine with scp -P 444 ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub 192.168.0.121:~/.ssh/temporaryname; then ssh -p 444 192.168.0.121 "cat .ssh/temporaryname >> .ssh/authorized_keys"
16:38.21xandgothenburg: crontab -e, 0 * * * * /some/php/script.php
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16:38.55gothenburgxand: is that every hour then?
16:39.18xandyes, on the hour, change 0 to be a different minute if you like
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16:39.34gothenburgxand: 0 to 30 is every 30 minute?
16:39.54xand0,30
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16:40.38xand0,30 * * * * = runs on the hour and at half past
16:40.48gothenburgokay
16:41.04Grab<PROTECTED>
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16:42.12xandGrab: if it is, you're not running debian right?
16:42.20Grabno
16:42.29Grabi guess im a little ot
16:42.47xand!knoppix
16:42.48dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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16:43.51Grabok
16:43.52Grabthanks
16:44.03Grabbut nobody repilied there
16:44.19xanddoesn't mean you'll get help here
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16:44.33MartinCleaverHow do I comment  a line in a sources.list file? # doesn't work
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16:44.48xandMartinCleaver: yes it does
16:44.59xandGrab: for one thing, debian doesn't run like that.
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16:45.09MartinCleaverHmm. ok. thanks xand
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16:45.18p3rtissh(1795) get_socket_address: getnameinfo 8 failed: Name or service not known
16:45.18p3rtissh(1795) userauth_hostbased: cannot get local ipaddr/name
16:45.22p3rti:'(
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16:48.15MartinCleaverxand do you know about overriding binary-all?
16:48.26MartinCleaverI've pasted what I am trying here: http://paste.debian.net/21050/
16:49.37MartinCleaverI've changed sources.list to say: deb http://distributedinformation.com/debian/ stable/main/binary-all stable/contrib/binary-all deb-src http://distributedinformation.com/debian/ stable/main/binary-all stable/contrib/binary-all
16:50.04MartinCleaveri.e. used stable/main/binary-all instead of "stable main"
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16:52.55xander... no
16:53.00FoxMHi. I am trying to rename a bunch of file from aaa_1.ext, aaa_2.ext, etc to aaa_01.ext, aaa_02.ext, etc... but I don't know how. I already tried 'rename aaa_ aaa_0 aaa_?.ext' and 'rename 's/aaa_?/aaa_0?' aaa_*' with no results
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16:53.53themillMartinCleaver: why not just use the debian package for twiki?
16:53.58themilljudd versions twiki
16:53.58juddthemill: twiki: 1:4.0.5-9.1 (etch) 1:4.0.5-9.1etch1 (etch-security) 1:4.1.2-4 (lenny) 1:4.1.2-4 (sid)
16:54.05MartinCleaverit's out of date.
16:54.11MartinCleaverTWiki is at 4.2.3
16:54.21MartinCleaverthis is the maintainers' home site
16:54.24themillMartinCleaver: well that's not on taht website anyway
16:54.29peterrooneyFoxM: rename --no-act  's/aaa_([1-9])/aaa_0$1/ aaa*
16:54.45MartinCleaverwhat's not on that website?
16:55.07themillMartinCleaver: the only versions are the same ones as in debian
16:55.24peterrooneyFoxM: sorry, missed the closing quote.
16:55.27themillMartinCleaver: http://distributedinformation.com/debian/pool/main/t/twiki/
16:55.42MartinCleaveroh. frick. He didn't mention that when I spoke to him about it yesterday!
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16:56.01FoxMpeterrooney: thanks!
16:56.27MartinCleaverthanks themill
16:56.31themillnp
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16:58.59MartinCleaverLike http://fosiki.com/blog/2007/04/22/debian-repository-for-twiki/#comment-25 says "Jim, I’m working on it - expect a 4.2.3 updated package in the next day - thanks for the feedback (and yes, you’re right)"
16:59.26lfaraoneAnybody have any experience setting up IPSec?
17:00.09MartinCleaverAh http://fosiki.com/blog/2008/07/25/debian-twiki-repository-now-with-212-twiki-plugins-contribs-skins-and-more/
17:00.32FoxMpeterrooney: and to say in the regexp that only changes files like aaa_1.ext and not aaa_10.ext ? something like this?: rename --no-act  's/aaa_(?[1-9])/aaa_0$1/' aaa*
17:00.45MartinCleaverLooks like I need the experimental
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17:01.52MartinCleaverOh, that worked without chaffage
17:01.54MartinCleaverfooey
17:01.56MartinCleaver:)
17:02.35MartinCleaverhttp://distributedinformation.com/experimental/pool/main/t/
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17:03.22jpinxthemill: fwiw skype for linux doesn't do text messages :(
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17:05.27oOarthurOoOk... I created the file ~/.ssh/config and now when I do ssh 192.168.121 I get this error: ssh: connect to host myhome.com port 444: Connection refused
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17:12.28themill!connection refused
17:12.29dpkgWhen a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you.  It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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17:12.48themilljpinx: :( yay for skype.
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17:14.12jpinxthemill: and the jabber gateways seem to be limited in their connections
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17:15.53jpinx<PROTECTED>
17:17.00cahootjpinx: I maybe misunderstand you but AFAICT text msg in skype works just fine
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17:17.48jpinxcahoot: I installed it succesfully but there was no text message facility
17:18.05cahootok I take your word for it
17:18.20jpinxcahoot: do you have skype on debian?
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17:18.51cahootwell I have it in place but never really use it anymore - just opened it to check
17:19.29jpinxcahoot; can you use it to send a text message to someone's mobile?
17:20.15flngrHi all, Q:I want a random sig, (.signature) where I want to put the fortune command in. Has anyone ideas how to do that?
17:20.25oOarthurOothis is all so depressing. It's just beyond me. I don't even know what a host is. Host, local.host, hostname, hosts...
17:20.43cahootjpinx: I obviously misunderstood you - disregard me
17:20.51petemcflngr: signify
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17:20.59jpinxcahoot: ok
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17:22.01flngrpetemc, what do you mean? Is that a command to use instead of fortune or.... how do you mean?
17:22.14pipelineflngr: use a FIFO and a perl script
17:22.40pipelineflngr: other programs will open and close the FIFO just like a file, and the perl script can wrap the fortune command to produce data.
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17:23.25jonathon_hello
17:23.31flngrHmm... ok thanks.
17:23.50jonathon_i am wondering how to bring up iceweasel it is in dir of /etc
17:23.56jonathon_i am sshed into my debian box
17:24.02erawfish!host
17:24.03dpkgerawfish's host is: h-62-20.A163.priv.bahnhof.se
17:24.05jonathon_so i would need to know how to open it through term.
17:24.28pipelineflngr: haha, who knew, there was already a program that would do this: signify
17:24.38pipelineflngr: you start it in the background, and ~/.signature can be a FIFO
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17:25.30flngrpipeline, Ah, thats what petemc meant ;)
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17:27.20{dada}Hi all
17:27.48{dada}wtf is the stupid channel debian-fr ? only kids on it
17:28.08{dada}:)
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17:28.43mypapitwtf to you too [biabia]
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17:28.49mypapitwtf to you too {dada}
17:28.58{dada}I have a fresh debian install, and it can't mount a data dr-rom written on windows. What package must I install ?
17:29.12{dada}dr -> cd*
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17:30.09erawfish{dada}: nothing
17:30.34{dada}this answer is not acceptable :)
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17:30.46{dada}this cd is ok under xubuntu
17:30.46erawfishthis question is nonsense
17:30.54erawfish!tell {dada} about errors
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17:32.50{dada}error is just : "can't mount device, wrong filesystem"
17:33.05{dada}it is a normal data-cd
17:33.09erawfishread the factoid again until you understand it
17:33.23erawfishlike about the command you use
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17:33.39{dada}I don't use command, i insert the cd in the computer, that's all
17:33.53{dada}and i click it and get : "can't mount device, wrong filesystem"
17:34.17erawfishthen mount it for a change
17:34.23erawfishon the commandline
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17:34.40erawfishor check what filesystem it exactly is with file -s on the device node it uses
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17:36.36_A_FantasticHello. I can't open the 22 or any other port anyway I try. I test it here. All ports are closed, when I did an iptables -F and the modem sure has some ports I need open
17:36.41_A_FantasticAny idea ?
17:36.55_A_Fantastic22 (ssh port, sorry)
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17:37.16_A_FantasticI test it in http://pt.gwebtools.com/scanner-porta
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17:37.19{dada}ok if I mount it manually, it does it, but thue gnome automount doesn't want. An idea of the problem ? Maybe I must install pmount ?
17:37.37erawfish!automount
17:37.37dpkgAsk me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
17:37.49_A_FantasticEven port 80 is closed!
17:37.49masushi all, have anybody an install guide for acidebase or where can i find it ? Thanks All.
17:37.51erawfish_A_Fantastic: netstat -anp |grep LIST
17:38.21erawfish_A_Fantastic: ten to one your misconfigured your router
17:38.31_A_Fantastic:D
17:38.46erawfish_A_Fantastic: you need to portforward the ports on your router which you want to be reachable
17:38.49valdyn_A_Fantastic: you dont need to open a port
17:39.12valdyn_A_Fantastic: you need to enable port forwarding to your server on your router, for the ports of your choice
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17:40.28_A_FantasticOk. Let me check it out.
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17:42.54fastjack120884hello
17:43.00fastjack120884does anyone know this problem: everytime I try to create a new mailfolder in icedove, icedove freezes and doesn't create..... I'm already searching for a solution, but haven't found yet, thought perhaps someone may know.......
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17:43.39Spirit_is there something like backports for lenny?
17:44.34oOarthurOoHow do I restart the ssh service?
17:45.00Spirit_i think: /etc/init.d sshd restart
17:45.03Spirit_err, /etc/init.d/sshd restart
17:45.24schasiinvoke.rc ssh restart, perhaps?
17:45.46fastjack120884maybe, i don't know. i've got versin 2.0.0.17-1 installed under lenny
17:46.00themilloOarthurOo: invoke-rc.d ssh restart
17:46.07schasiBut google is very helpful for such thins, oOarthurOo
17:46.32themillSpirit_: backports for lenny aren't required, yet.
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17:48.29Spirit_i'd sure like some more recent packages in lenny currently, it became rather slow
17:48.42pipelinelenny is approaching release, so the number of new versions is going to continue to fall.
17:48.47themilldpkg: tell Spirit_ about lenny status
17:48.51pipelineif you want to live on the edge, install the edge
17:48.57Spirit_i know, i know
17:49.05Spirit_:)
17:49.15oOarthurOoThe google results for "restart ssh debian" are numerous, and contradictory and confusing. themill 's response worked a treat. Thanks. I haven't been able to ssh localhost because I kept getting password denied. I went into my /etc/ssh/sshd_config and added the currently logged in user when using that command (family) and added them to the list of authorized users (arthur).
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17:50.55themillfastjack120884: tried running it from the command line? any useful output when you try to create the folder? (Is this local folder or imap)
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17:53.20iahello, everybody. could you tell me, please, where i can find git repo with linux kernel for Debian? i've look here, but can't find such project - http://git.debian.org/
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17:54.34valdynia: why do you think that such a repo exists?
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17:55.11sammcdThere is a git repo with the linux kernal...
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17:55.20sammcdAnd you can go to whichever tag that debian is currently using.
17:55.39valdynsammcd: uh?
17:56.17valdynsammcd: no such thing
17:57.03sammcdvaldyn: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
17:57.13valdynsammcd: thats not a debian kernel
17:57.13sammcdvaldyn: git repository of linux kernal
17:57.24sammcdI didn't say it was the debian kernal.
17:57.29valdynsammcd: and no tag is a debian kernel
17:57.30sammcdI said there is a git repo with the linux kernal
17:57.38sammcdSo debian doesn't use the linux kernal?
17:57.48valdynsammcd: no, its modified
17:57.50themill!kernal
17:57.51dpkg*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
17:58.07pngwenIt is not modified.  Just configured for the system.
17:58.10sammcdthemill: sorry
17:58.15sammcdExactly...
17:58.23themillpngwen: it is quite heavily modified, in fact
17:58.26valdynpngwen: dont just say things you have no idea about
17:58.28sammcdAnd there is a tag in that git with every version of the linux kernel, that is all I am saying.
17:58.37iavaldyn: well. first, afaik debian don't use vanilla kernel, cause it has some additional patches. second, model of debian's development very open, so, i think, that such repo should be at some place :-)
17:58.38sammcdokay.. sorry then, I didn't know
17:58.54valdynia: the patch is packaged
17:58.58themillsammcd: no not in that git. There is probably a packaging git somewhere though.
17:59.12valdynia: but im not sure theres any resource to look at the debian kernel  maintainers work in progress
17:59.28sammcdI assumed all linux distro's used some release of the linux kernel
17:59.33valdynia: patch = diff to linus kernel
17:59.45valdynsammcd: no, about no distro does that
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18:00.00valdynsammcd: slackware being the one exception im aware of
18:00.04iasammcd: no, they all use their own kernels with specific patches :-)
18:00.23JeffHCan someone help me?  I've setup my printer in cups an when I try to print the test page it says it was successful but nothing is printed.  The printer is a Konica-Minolta PagePro 1350W
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18:02.05oOarthurOonow when I ssh into my desktop, and browse to my folder (looking at it via nautilus) it says the owner of my home folder on my desktop is "unknown"
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18:04.49danigmHi all, I copy a debian filesystem from a disk to another with cp, but device isn't copied, how can I regenerate all /dev files?
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18:09.05_A_Fantastic:/ I reseted the modem and still even port 80 is closed.
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18:10.05pipelinedanigm: next time, use tar to do the copy.  (cd /; tar --one-filesystem -cpf - /) | (cd /target; tar -xvpf -)
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18:10.49rsshttp://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/related/7cb4x/%C3%BCber_geeky_rapsta_o/
18:11.12rssIt is on the blog of a soon-to-be-a-debian-developer
18:11.41rssand he has clicked the photo! probably coolest photo of Don Knuth
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18:23.47oOarthurOoWhen I'm logged into my desktop computer over ssh, I can't see any of the folder or file permissions. They all show up as owner unknown
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18:28.53danxxHi there. I am trying to install e17 on sid, and after apt-get install e17, when i'm trying to log in i'm getting the error: "Enlightenment SEGV'd"
18:29.01danxxDoes anybody know, how can i fix it?
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18:30.17SweetandyI have an interesting phenomenon with Debian Lenny
18:30.23swolchokhi, I suddenly cannot log into or unlock the screen of my lenny system. The last thing I did before going to sleep was apt-get source -b openjdk-6, though I doubt that caused the problem. I get incorrect password messages when I try to log in. What's going on?
18:30.34SweetandyI can't for the life of me get my autio input to work. Except if I'm running no program at all.
18:30.39SweetandyThen it plays right through.
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18:31.24Batchydanxx: what did you use to install e17 ? alphagemini repos ?
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18:31.56Batchydanxx: if that's the case, check the version of libeet : if it's debian version, then install alphagemini's version
18:32.02swolchokto clarify: both root login and my user account do not work
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18:32.57JyZyXELwhere do you see the information that was received in the latest DHCPACK?
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18:33.18JyZyXELwould be cool to see the lease time and how long until renew
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18:33.49swolchokJyZyXEL -- dhclient prints that after it gets an address...
18:34.06JyZyXELdoes it store that shit anywhere?
18:34.08MundusDoes anyone know of an application for screen management? I want to set up dual screen on my debian media server
18:34.25valdynMundus: your editor
18:34.26JyZyXELcause i already have an address and i don't want another
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18:36.28Mundusvaldyn: How do I find out the adress to the second monitor then?
18:36.47valdynMundus: what kind of address would you need?
18:37.08MundusI guess you're suggesting to edit my xorg.conf
18:37.17valdynMundus: yes
18:37.33MundusIn that case I'll need to add a second monitor section, and then I'll need the address to my second monitor
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18:37.50valdynMundus: no you dont need an "address", whatever that is supposed to be
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18:40.34valdynMundus: http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xorg.conf, but this file has some cruft that you dont need too
18:40.54valdynMundus: and its for nvidia  card with the proprietary nvidia driver
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19:00.17oOarthurOoI guess ssh is working now, but I think i'm logging in with a user pasword.
19:00.33oOarthurOoHow do I get this going so that passwords aren't allowed and I need to use a key
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19:02.22oOarthurOoI generated a key from my user account on my laptop. Then I ssh'd into my account on the main computer, and copied the public key to the desktop.
19:03.00oOarthurOoWould this be the correct command to use, cat id_rsa.pub >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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19:03.10joltcanyep
19:03.30joltcanoOarthurOo: And you can change PermitRootLogin to without-password
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19:04.04joltcanoOarthurOo: There is a nice command called ssh-copy-id if you don't want to do it manually. And please test that it works before you restart sshd
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19:07.42proutehello all, Currently, I use Debian Lenny (testing) on Mtron SSD disk. I found that performances about ssd are less good than ide disk. Is it normal?
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19:09.14jelly-homeproute: depends on the actual device
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19:10.05proutejelly-home: what device?
19:10.46jelly-homeproute: the "disk" you're using
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19:13.05prouteOk, I use Mtron Mobi, 16GB on SATA connection with VIA C3. Moreover my ssd is known like dev/hda. So when I try the following commnd : hdparm -t the speed is 30 Mb/s :(
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19:14.12jelly-homeproute: my laptop 2.5" HD has slower sustained read than that
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19:14.56jelly-homeproute: cheap ssds have much lower read and especially write speeds compared to magnetic media; you can try to reduce writes by using noatime mount options, getting rid of logging, using tmpfs as /tmp
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19:22.10muszekhi... a quick question: I re-installed my system (couldn't fix something) and I'd like to migrate cron tasks of my user... where do I find the file?
19:22.19lfaraoneWhat command would I run to get the current ssytem's processer speed?
19:22.24lfaraonemuszek: under /etc/cron?
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19:22.46lfaraonemuszek: /etc/cron.d/
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19:23.12erawfishlfaraone: /proc/cpuinfo
19:23.32lfaraoneerawfish: ah.
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19:23.39muszeklfaraone: neither of the files located in /etc/cron.d contains that stuff
19:23.45lfaraonemuszek: ah.
19:23.49lfaraonemuszek: crontab, maybe?
19:24.12muszeklfaraone: nope :/
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19:24.33muszekand there's nothing that contains a string "cron" in /home/muszek
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19:25.45edjuRepartitioned, and somehow left w/ sda1,3 & 4.  How might I rename 3 & 4 to 2 & 3?
19:25.58oOarthurOook, so now I'm not getting prompted for a password when I log in, but I'm not certain that it won't still permit people to login using my username and password. I'm sure I saw something during my google travels about disabling password logins and just using a key file
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19:26.07oOarthurOothanks for the help joltcan...
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19:26.53oOarthurOonevermind... found it.
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19:27.22adbproute: on this laptop i got  31.59 MB/sec
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19:30.44Anarkaheys :) i have ifconfig belonging to 122:admin dont know how it happened(helping a friend) now i cant change the perms to root:root, any solution ?
19:31.08Anarkals has the same prob :p
19:31.24joltcanAnarka: be root, then change them
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19:32.52Anarkayeah... its ubuntu... and sudo refuses to use... but seems someone already been here since su is asking for a passwd
19:32.55project2501ahey guys
19:33.00Anarkajoltcan tnx... ill keep trying :)
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19:33.49project2501ais it a reasonable assumption in a bash script, to say that if $0 =~ ^[SK] , the script was being called from init ?
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19:34.41omid8bimoomid8bimo: tst
19:36.02valdynAnarka: why  could you change perms to root:root ?
19:36.04jelly-homeproject2501a: making apps behave differently based on their name usually isn't that great an idea
19:36.12valdynAnarka: why  could you not change perms to root:root ?
19:36.29Anarkavaldyn permission denied
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19:36.36valdynAnarka: as root?
19:36.59Anarkaits ubuntu using sudo... the guy doesnt remember the su passwd but the result should be the same... i guess
19:37.00valdynAnarka: so apparmor or attrs in the way..
19:37.21valdynAnarka: sudo gets root, so its attrs or apparmor, man chattr
19:37.25valdynAnarka: and lsattr
19:37.28Anarkahummm
19:37.33valdynAnarka: and i know nothing about apparmor,  but im sure you can disable it
19:37.45Anarkatnx for the tips ! :)
19:38.15jelly-homesudo su - could change the security settings
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19:38.42project2501ajelly-home: i'm trying to save myself the trouble of maintaing two scripts. just need to make my script diff between init and runtime
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19:39.49jelly-homeproject2501a: you want it to behave differently if called as /etc/rc2.d/S20foo start and /etc/init.d/foo start?
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19:40.31project2501ajelly-home: yes, please
19:40.54project2501abasically i would like to call start-stop-daemon with diff arguments
19:40.56Anarkaokis if config with lsattr gives s---ia-------------
19:41.05jelly-homeoh well.  I hope I won't be a user.
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19:43.55WinnipegerHey.. something is wrong with this command I'm trying to run. find /home/clark/Pictures/ -type d -name Originals -exec rm {} \;  It tells me I can't remove them because they are folders, and non-empty to boot. I'm pretty sure if I throw the -R switch at it It will work, but i'm no great shakes with find, so i was wondering what you guys thought of it.
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19:44.52jelly-homeproject2501a: anyway, checking for $0 ~ ^S seems like a reasonable idea if your users will only be running sysvinit
19:45.00Anarkavaldyn tnx for the tip... it worked... changed with chattr :)
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19:46.56Winnipegerdon't worry about it... I just added the switch and crossed my fingers and all went well.
19:46.59Winnipegercheers
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19:56.31wpsomeone here who knows multicast application that outputs text?
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19:57.56project2501ajelly-home: even better idea! $PPID !
19:58.08project2501aif [ $PPID -eq 1 ]
19:58.22project2501ainit starts all the scripts under /etc/init.d/
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20:01.09jelly-homeproject2501a: I'm not sure run-parts isn't a separate process
20:01.14kingsley2Can amarok play .mp3 files? I get "Error Loading Media  No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported. <directory/filename>.mp3".
20:01.52jelly-homekingsley2: it's supposed to.
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20:02.20kingsley2jelly-home, Can you elaborate?
20:02.22jelly-homekingsley2: which debian release?  version of amarok package?
20:02.27project2501ajelly-home: you think? run-parts has to run in the same context as init
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20:02.42project2501aas least my classical SYSV edumacation tells me
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20:03.00project2501aRITCHARD STALLMAN FOR US CTO
20:03.10jelly-homefuck no! :-)
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20:03.15project2501ahell yeah!
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20:03.25project2501amandatory flip-flops for everybody
20:03.26jelly-homeaw hell, not my country anyway
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20:03.40project2501apeople that delve in office politics will be shot
20:03.44kingsley2jelly-home, Thanks for asking. debian unstable and version 1.4.10 of amarok.
20:03.55project2501abackstabbers will be shot twice
20:04.02TiMiDohey i hve a question i just compile my kernel the debian way my question is how do i create some kernel headers?
20:04.10jelly-homekingsley2: that's not a package version; dpkg -l amarok\* | grep ^.i
20:04.15project2501asysadmins that can't code will be tormented with nakkid hippie pics
20:04.43TiMiDohey i hve a question i just compile my kernel the debian way my question is how do i create some kernel headers?
20:04.50jelly-homekingsley2: you should also have amarok-engine-xine installed, among others
20:05.00kingsley2jelly-home, amarok's package version is  1.4.10-1.
20:05.03project2501aTiMiDo: "create kernel headers"?
20:05.04project2501aerh?
20:05.09TiMiDoproject2501a, yeah
20:05.19jelly-homekingsley2: which engine is configured?
20:05.20project2501awhat is "create kernel headers"?
20:05.32kingsley2jelly-home,  amarok-engine-xine is installed.
20:05.48TiMiDoproject2501a, never mind
20:05.52TiMiDo!kernel headers
20:05.52dpkghttp://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html
20:06.04kingsley2jelly-home, I don't know which engine is configured. How can I find out?
20:06.19project2501aTiMiDo: apt-get install linux-headers ?
20:06.21project2501anani?
20:06.30jelly-homekingsley2: settings -> configure amarok -> engine
20:06.31TiMiDoproject2501a, nope i've compile my own kernel
20:06.41project2501ar
20:06.44TiMiDoso i wanted it to create some linux_headers
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20:06.56jelly-homekingsley2: "sound system" near the top
20:08.02jelly-homeTiMiDo: make-kpkg [...] kernel_headers
20:08.03kingsley2jelly, OK, doing "settings -> configure amarok -> engine" reveals that the sound system is "xine Engine"
20:08.10jelly-homekingsley2: good
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20:09.08jelly-homekingsley2: is libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
20:09.50kingsley2jelly-home, Yes, libxine1-ffmpeg is installed.
20:10.10jelly-homeno idea then, that should be enough to make xine mp3-decode-able
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20:11.13jelly-homekingsley2: can you install xine-ui and see whether mp3 playing works in xine?
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20:11.49jelly-homekingsley2: if it doesn't, the fault probably lies at xine's side
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20:16.07kingsley2jelly-home, As you suggested, I installed xine-ui and it played an .mp3 file.
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20:16.36balazsbelaHello all, my webcam shows up in lsusb but when I start camorama it says it can't connect to /dev/video0
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20:18.05cahootyou probably have no module loaded for the cam
20:18.07jelly-homekingsley2: hmph.
20:18.54kingsley2jelly-home, I agree.
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20:19.19jelly-homekingsley2: what about amarok's xine engine output config?
20:19.32jelly-homekingsley2: same config screen
20:21.17balazsbelaI get this in dmesg
20:21.19balazsbelahttp://pastebin.com/m1366d1a5
20:21.33balazsbelabut nothing will connect to it, not even when I run it as root
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20:22.13cahootbalazsbela: tried point camorama to /dev/video1?
20:22.14kingsley2jelly-home, Amarok's xine engine output plugin is "Autodetect", but I'm inclined to think that error is related to input, because the error message mentioned demux plugin.
20:22.26balazsbelayes
20:22.45balazsbelagqcam has errors when reading image
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20:23.41jelly-homekingsley2: makes sense.  do all mp3 files fail?  (tried the very same file in xine?)
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20:25.33kingsley2jelly-home, I'm happy to report that restarting amarok (probably after installing some libraries) solved the problem. Mp3s play now.
20:25.44cahootbalazsbela: can you check in lsmod what module gets loaded? zc0301 or gspca?
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20:26.03balazsbelazc0301
20:26.07balazsbelais loaded
20:26.20jelly-homekingsley2: yay!
20:26.32cahootbalazsbela: according to google gspca is the one you want
20:26.38lem0nis there by chance a way to allow root logins only for certain ips, natively with sshd?
20:26.43lem0ni don't believe there is
20:26.47kingsley2jelly-home, Once again, I agree!
20:26.56kingsley2needs to go soon...
20:27.08balazsbelaHmm, this webcam worked under ubuntu without touching it and I think it was the zc0301 module
20:27.12balazsbelaare you sure ?
20:27.21cahoothttp://www.nabble.com/-Bug-45170--NEW:-Wrong-module-loaded-for-webcam-USB-ID:-0ac8:303b-p20089369.html
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20:35.35dtochHi! Any news about lenny release?
20:36.07oc80zsoon
20:36.09oc80zdtoch
20:36.13oc80zi am using etch..
20:36.14dvswhen it's ready?
20:36.17oc80z2.6.24
20:36.22oc80z:P
20:36.33dvsoc80z: 2.6.24 works for me.
20:36.47oc80zfor powerpc.
20:37.04oc80zvery diff than ubuntu...
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20:37.39dtochoc80z: Eh... :)
20:37.53pepvehow should i install a package from sid on lenny? (nspluginwrapper, sid has 1.0.0, i want it)
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20:39.10dtochBTW, I have a problem installing Etch on my new PC. Kernel 2.6.18 on install CD do not know my motherboad and I cant install debian. Is there some way to get CD with more modern kernel?
20:39.27epsilonlenny
20:39.29oc80zdtoch try testing build.
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20:39.51epsilonthe installer is still in beta, but should work as usual
20:40.37oc80zhave you tried the installer options?
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20:40.45oc80zapci/videoof?
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20:41.09themillmeandrain: use the -p option (as root).
20:41.13oc80zmeandrain -p
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20:41.20meandrainthank you
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20:41.24asdzxchi
20:41.32zzlhow is this different from ubuntu?
20:41.35zzlhi!
20:41.37asdzxcis there anything like crontab but which is able to run programs every X seconds ?
20:41.43oc80zzzl: stable.
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20:42.11zzloc80z: what do you mean by "stable"
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20:42.17zzllike windows stable
20:42.21zzl?
20:42.22oc80zzzl: runs much better on my laptop than ubuntu, cpufan quieter..
20:42.35zzlhmm
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20:43.08themilldpkg: tell zzl about why debian
20:44.43dtochtesting is avail in iso?
20:44.46epsilonzzl, ubuntu is debian unstable, ubuntu just call it stable
20:45.19oc80zdtoch mbe.
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20:45.33zzlwell, i had this brightness problem that no applet in ubuntu could change
20:45.38zzlwas just wondering if this might be my solution
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20:46.33dtochoc80z: O, found something! Thanks. :)
20:46.34zzlalso, how come debian can't ship cds? my internet connection is slow
20:46.53themillzzl: mrs themill's laptop has the same problem with debian... sometimes the hardware is just not so well supported.
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20:47.42zzlthemill: is there a site where I can check to see what hardware is supported? thanks
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20:48.15themillzzl: try poking around in /sys/class/backlight/* and see if you can change the backlight there.
20:48.37ilaihozzl: in fact not
20:48.45ilaihosome commercial distros maintain lists
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20:49.03ilaihobut they can differ from what Debian supports
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20:49.30estharI upgraded to X.Org 7.4 in experimental, but now would like to smoothly downgrade back to X.Org 7.3 in sid.
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20:49.51estharI upgraded by doing apt-get install -t experimental xorg
20:50.00estharWill apt-get install -t sid xorg work?
20:50.08zzlmy problem is that I don't really "trust" other distros other than Ubuntu for some reason
20:50.30zzllike I get on their website and it looks user friendly, but other sites just doesn't interest me that much
20:50.33rhalffhi what would be a good partition format for a 200Gb backup disk ?
20:50.42zzlbut since ubuntu doesn't work, i had to find an alternative
20:51.06petemcrhalff: one large partition should work
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20:51.26rhalffpetemc, any prefered filesystems ?
20:51.31phorce1_awayzzl: Debian doesn't need to ship CD's, most of the time if you just as nicely someone will burn you a set and ship them out
20:51.33petemci use ext3
20:51.45phorce1_aways/as/ask/
20:52.10rhalffpetemc, ok I'll stick to ext3 then also.
20:52.22zzlphorcel_away: you mean like personally ship them out?
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20:53.42phorce1_awayzzl: yeah. They're what, USD$0.20 per disc? Add up to $3.00 for cheap shipping. No big deal if it's not made a habit.
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20:54.57phorce1_awayzzl: Even better is to ask for DVD now. Fewer discs (a LOT fewer for a full burn)
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20:55.57zzlis debian "user friendly"?
20:56.12SpeedyGzzl: yes
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20:56.52zzlspeedyG: how so?
20:56.58zzlcan you give like a few examples?
20:57.02boggy`zzl: depends how u wish to approach it. if you full install kde etc then yes. if u wish t build a system to your spec's then not so much
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20:57.55amphiboggy`: why not?
20:57.59phorce1_awaySpeedyG: You should qualify that. zzl: less "user friendly" than Ubuntu but better if you actually want to learn something. I am a BAD person to ask. My normal reply is "User friendly?? A computer is NOT a toaster!"
20:58.02zzlbut I don't lose functionality if I full install KDE right?
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20:58.30boggy`amphi: your telling me a debian noob can install base system and build it the way they want with no knowledge of apt ?
20:58.34boggy`yea... i dont think so
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20:58.57amphiboggy`: apt-get install doesn't take long to learn
20:59.04boggy`thats just apt-get
20:59.08boggy`what about the rest of apt?
20:59.09amphior, better, aptitude
20:59.16boggy`its a whole structer
20:59.31boggy`besides apt-get, apt-cache search will be your other best friend
20:59.40phorce1_awayand with lenny aptitude is actually a bit more safe and less prone to break your system
21:00.28boggy`zzl: if this is a learning experience for you and u want EVERYTHING to work properly.. i sugguest trying 1 of the ubuntu's or you will be doing some manul configurations along the lines with debian.
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21:00.56phorce1_awayhas been running Debian since ... bo ... and he has no idea wht other 'apt-xxx' programs there are besides apt-cache, apt-get, and aptitude.
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21:01.35boggy`phorce1_away i didnt say "commands"
21:01.40phorce1_awayoh, and dpkg -l
21:01.41boggy`i said structure
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21:02.15boggy`my point was a noob cant build a system from base install which is 81 packages give or take?
21:02.16zzlboggy: I tried ubuntu but the controlling of brightness on my laptop doesnt work in ubuntu
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21:02.23zzlso I'm trying another distro
21:02.29boggy`did u install the proper video driver?
21:03.22rhalffanyone can tell me why my internal traffic is blocked? this is a past of my iptables configuratin:  http://rafb.net/p/qQr2hC94.html
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21:04.13phorce1_awayzzl: if it doesn't work in ubuntu then it probably won't work in Debian. The latest Ubuntu releases tend to pull from testing and unstable Debian repositories so drivers and such are a bit ahead of the standard Debian curve.
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21:05.18phorce1_awayanyway, /me need to heed the fact that I did change my nick to _away for a reason <sigh>. Back to cleaning up the old billing system, one account at a time.
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21:07.13orangeyhey alL
21:07.28orangeyanybody know what line of notebooks inherited from the HP NC?
21:08.04orangeyi loved my nc4200 like nobody's business, and want to upgrade
21:09.35gewtbrb
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21:12.01QuibusI've connected an FTDI device on my Debian box. It works fine, but only as root. How can I give a user access to it?
21:12.07QuibusOh, it's connected via USB
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21:15.06medci have a problem, i am in single user mode but and brasero cannot read a blank cd for burning an ISO image .....any help?
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21:16.15torrrare cds automounted ?
21:16.23medcwell yes
21:16.23rgr__I am trying to mount  a remote nfs file system. Client and server are debian. It keeps timing out. Anyone done this over the net and what ports did you open? The default nfs ports on my router dont seem to be same as, for example, a mac or a debian client expected. Any and all suggestions welcome (and I am aware of the security issues).
21:16.53medctorrr, i try to manually mount and it cant mount :\
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21:19.21edjuMy partitions are sda1,3&4.  How to change to 1,2&3?
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21:20.12rgr__edju: dont bother. use UUIDs.
21:20.16drwahli installed ripit and i want to rip a cd to mp3, but it is complaining about missing the 'lame' package (this is sid btw). it appears that the package lame is not available in sid, any suggestions>
21:20.20drwahl?
21:20.55balazsbelawhat's the difference between sid and testing ?
21:21.03medcany idea why my cd rom is not mounting a blank cd?
21:21.11balazsbelaIf I installed testing and added the sid repos then it's sid now ?
21:21.20petemcbalazsbela: testing becomes stable, sid stays unstable always
21:21.35petemcbalazsbela: did you dist-upgrade?
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21:21.45balazsbelano I installed from the testing dvd
21:21.49balazsbelaI'm new :)
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21:22.01petemcso you probably dont want to be adding sid sources
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21:22.15balazsbelaerr too late :)
21:22.22balazsbelaI like to play with new stuff
21:22.28balazsbelaeven if it brakes sometimes
21:22.32petemccool, have fun
21:22.36balazsbelaI'm not new to linux, only to debian :)
21:22.45balazsbelaI used kubuntu for very long
21:23.10edjurgr__, I do use UIDs.  The misnumbering doesn't seem to affect anything, it just seems - i dunno - askew.
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21:24.48dante_2coreQuibus, what device is it in /dev?
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21:27.14Quibusdante_2core: no idea...
21:27.22dante_2coremmh
21:27.24QuibusI think some usbdev thingie
21:27.35dante_2coretry unplugging it, then replugging it, and watch what happens in dmesg
21:27.44Quibusdante_2core: I did that
21:27.52Quibusbut it doesn't say much about devices in /dev/
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21:28.30dante_2corethen unplug it, ls in /dev and replug, ls in /dev again and see what was added
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21:29.18Quibusdante_2core: I think it's something like usbdev7.48_ep00
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21:29.45dante_2corethen try chmodding it to set user read/write to allow
21:30.00Quibusdante_2core: and how will that persist?
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21:30.30dante_2coreit won't, not just like that - you can make it persist via some hal or udev rule
21:30.38dante_2corebut I'm bad at those, you'd have to read up on them.
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21:30.58dante_2coreI usually just did one-liners in scripts and executed them when plugging the device.
21:31.03dante_2coreworked for my printer for years.
21:31.49medcthat what happend on my blank cd
21:32.07medcmount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only
21:32.07medcmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
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21:32.21dante_2corebah too late
21:32.27QuibusI did the replug test and it gives about 5 devices :-)
21:32.32dante_2corelawl
21:32.49rgr__how can I log in remotely on a rebooted system? I can ssh into it but since no one has logged into gnome yet I can not connect with vncviewer. Can I start the desktop from the terminal ssh connection?
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21:33.02dante_2corergr__, yes you can.
21:33.20dante_2corergr__, what do you use? xinit? kdm? gdm?
21:33.24rgr__gdm
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21:33.48rgr__so etc/init.d/gdm start?
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21:34.19dante_2coreyea, but that'll just give you a login window but you won't be able to login
21:34.20rgr__but how to I log in?
21:34.25dante_2coretbh I don't know about vncviewer
21:34.32dante_2coreI can jsut tell you how to start X over ssh
21:34.33rgr__actually it does not give a login.
21:34.46rgr__dante_2core: great. How? I tried startx but no joy
21:34.51dante_2coreit does, but only locally - which won't get you anything.
21:34.58dante_2corewhat did startx say?
21:35.33rgr__server is already running. Which it is since the remote machine is sta there displaying the gnome login screen.
21:35.47dante_2corewell then you can just kill off gnome
21:36.06dante_2corethen make an ~/.xinitrc file containig one line: "gnome-session"
21:36.14dante_2corethen you do "xinit"
21:36.17dante_2corewhich should start a gnome session
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21:36.21rgr__no startx?
21:36.33dante_2coreI don't know what startx does exactly
21:36.34dante_2coreno
21:36.38dante_2corexinit is an equivalent
21:36.41rgr__and I can then log in?
21:36.55rgr__will try. brb.
21:36.57dante_2coreyou won't be asked to log in, you'll skip the login manager
21:37.04dante_2coreand start gnome right away
21:37.09dante_2coreif gnome is what you want to start.
21:37.27rgr__yes. ok but it will start as the user I connected to with ssh right?
21:37.31dante_2coreyea.
21:37.38rgr__cheers. Let me try.
21:37.39dante_2coreyou can also just be another user via su
21:37.40dante_2coresu <user>
21:37.43dante_2corehf
21:38.49cafuegostartx runs via ssh these days?
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21:39.21acidslepof course
21:39.41acidslephey guys, how can i get X to use libaa?
21:40.16rgr__but I have to be root to run xinit?
21:40.36rgr__sorry for xinit to start the x server
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21:41.35rgr__dante_2core: what should I be seeing on my remote machine from the ssh terminal when I run xinit?
21:42.05cafuegorgr__: If it doesn't fail horrible, a black/white striped pattern
21:42.36dante_2corergr__, well, what do you mean? in the vnc viewer? or in the term?
21:42.40rgr__but xinit is run as root in order for x server to start. So how can it log in as my ssh user?
21:42.45rgr__i the term.
21:42.51dante_2coreyou can run xinit as user
21:42.53rgr__the vncviewer wont connect
21:43.08dante_2coreI don't use any login managers here
21:43.18dante_2coreall my boxes boot into shell and I run xinit to start the xserver as user
21:43.20rgr__xinit as user : "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
21:43.35dante_2coredo export DISPLAY=:0 first
21:43.43dante_2coreand make sure no xservers are running
21:44.01rgr__how to kill all x servers/check?
21:44.08dante_2corepstree | grep X
21:44.34rgr__no x servers
21:44.34dante_2coredoes that output anything?
21:44.58dante_2coreo
21:44.59dante_2coreok
21:45.02dante_2corethen do the xport line
21:45.04dante_2coreexport*
21:45.32rgr__done so. Still get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" but terminal has not returned. Just try vnc now ...
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21:46.07dante_2corergr__, well, I can actually do what you just described on my boxes
21:46.10dante_2corelemme recheck
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21:46.39rgr__tx
21:46.51dante_2corenp, gettin another box
21:46.56cafuegoI always though a user starting X had to be logged in on a local tty
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21:48.50estharWhy is VLC 0.9.x in experimental and not sid?
21:49.50estharI upgraded to X.Org 7.4 in experimental, but now would like to smoothly downgrade back to X.Org 7.3 in sid.... I upgraded with by doing apt-get install -t experimental xorg
21:50.29cafuegogives you a wry smile and goes to make coffee
21:50.36rgr__this is a real pain. I used ssh to upgrade and reboot and now can not get to the desktop :-(
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21:51.27oc80zrgr nice
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21:51.30dante_2corecafuego, won't work here, you're right -
21:51.41dante_2corergr__, let me check on ssh configuration
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21:52.55pipelineesthar: purge x11-common
21:53.33estharpipeline: Funny because x11-common is 7.3 right now
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21:53.40estharbut xorg is 7.4
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21:54.46pipelineesthar: yes, but all xorg client and server packages eventually depend on x11-common, I think.  So purging x11-common and running deborphaner a couple times should clean you up nice.
21:54.50valdynesthar: install apt-show-versions, get a list of non-lenny packages like "apt-show-versions | grep -v lenny", remove those or downgrade those
21:55.26rgr__vncserver
21:56.33dante_2corergr__, yea, read about that too, but thought it'd be prettier to solve the problem we have at hand and not just evade to another way
21:56.50dante_2coreI am very sure that one can change that behaviour of X to only let local users start it
21:57.08valdynits a debconf option
21:57.22valdyndpkg-reconfigure <i forgot which package>
21:57.43rgr__dante_2core: if you can think of anything please let me know.
21:57.52dante_2corergr__, you tried vncserver?
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21:58.22oc80zvnc needs cpu+bandwidth
21:58.32rgr__heh. Its refusing to see the :disp# at the moment. just trying ...
21:58.40rgr__oc80z: err, thanks for that.
21:58.46rgr__:-;
21:58.59oc80zits weak over 802.11G
21:59.06cafuegorgr__: You can always just start a vnc server and run your desktop in that until you get local access again.
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21:59.13rgr__oc80z: I'm not sure what your point is.
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21:59.21oc80zoh nm u trying to fix
21:59.30oc80zgl.
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22:04.42LinuShi, does anyone knows about a good solution for setting up a bittorrent client on a linux server that should download what some windows users tell it to do?
22:05.01oc80zsure linus..
22:05.13oc80zthere are many ways.
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22:05.47oc80zdoes the linux server run X?
22:05.54dante_2corergr__, I'd say install vncserver and start an xserver with that
22:05.55LinuSyes
22:06.14oc80zi know there is a mainstream client..
22:06.20oc80zthat allows remote controll...
22:06.24rgr__oc80z: you mean server
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22:06.33oc80zlets get you the other one, with peer guardian support
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22:06.40LinuSsomeone told me about transmission
22:06.46LinuSare you referring to this client aswell?
22:06.46oc80zwith remote control?
22:07.47oc80zlook for torrentflux
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22:07.56maligortransmission has a web interface
22:08.09oc80zorly?
22:08.17maligoryou can even use it on embedded systems
22:08.17oc80zwith peerguardian support? :P
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22:09.32oc80zyes but does it prevent the feds from knocking on your door.
22:09.37LinuSi see both are gui tools, so i guess i'll have to access the x server on the server to run them
22:09.59petemctransmission has console version too
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22:10.31LinuSthank you
22:10.34oc80zheh
22:10.40oc80zthen go w/ that
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22:10.55LinuSi wonder if the ubuntu version'll work for my debian server
22:10.59cafuegoLinuS: Make the windows users buy a s33db0x account, make it someone else's problem ;-)
22:11.00LinuSsince ubuntu is debian based..
22:11.14LinuScafuego: well, the windows users are my parents..:D
22:11.22oc80zatta boy
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22:20.05moshiiwhy does anything php related always try pulling in modphp + apache, gah
22:20.28zinxmoshii: because you don't have the php command-line client installed?
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22:21.17zinxmoshii: the only php stuff that should try pulling in a http sever is the stuff that's web-based
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22:25.20zzlI have debian in VM and when i enter "ENTER" to boot, it gives me "Could not find kernel image"
22:25.24zzlany idea on that?
22:25.27kunwon1since when do feds knock on peoples doors for torrenting
22:25.56zzlthat's only illegal file sharing
22:26.36enoufzzl: your VM sucks ass
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22:27.03zzlwhat VM do you suggest I use enouf?
22:27.07enoufnone
22:27.38zzl...
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22:27.44enouf...
22:27.49zzlI want to run it under a virtual machine though
22:27.53enoufno
22:28.03zzlok then
22:28.07enoufright
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22:28.33zzlI have debian in VM and when i enter "ENTER" to boot, it gives me "Could not find kernel image"
22:28.35zzl<zzl>any idea on that?
22:28.41kunwon1lol
22:28.48enoufO_o
22:28.53zzldo you know kunwon1?
22:28.57kunwon1Here's an idea, don't repeat yourself when your question has only scrolled a third of the way through my buffer
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22:29.09azeemzzl: maybe explain a bit better what you're doing
22:29.09moshiizinx: sorry for the delay, 3g cut off, I have lighttpd etc installed, and everytime php or some php app gets updated aptitude automatically selects apache and modphp.
22:29.10zzlsorry
22:29.53zinxmoshii: that's odd... all the php stuff i've seen in Debian that needs an http server depends on apache2 | lighttpd | httpd
22:30.04zinxmoshii: which shouldn't pull apache if you have lighttpd
22:30.06zzlazeem: I am currently running windows and trying to run debian under virtualbox. when I mount the .iso, and try to run it, it gives me "could not find kernel image"
22:30.12enoufzzl: it's ok - i'm just being a bit .. annoyed .. don't mind me please
22:30.18azeemzzl: which .sio
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22:30.29azeemenouf: try not to be annoyed towards users then, please
22:30.37zzldebian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso
22:30.40enoufazeem: shut the fuck up
22:30.48azeemenouf: please keep it on topic
22:30.53azeemor just keep quiet
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22:31.06moshiiwow
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22:31.25moshiiget a room you two, haha
22:31.38enoufazeem: i wasn't speaking to you initially - so when i apologize (somewhat) please don't interfere - thanks
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22:32.02Naicamineive got a disk that was formatted as ext3, but when i run fdisk -l it shows up as fat16, i hope someone can help me mount it
22:32.51Naicaminei run mount  /dev/sdb1 /media/disk -t ext3, and it says that it is not the right fs
22:32.59enoufNaicamine: how about file -s /dev/sdb1
22:33.08zzlazeem: can you help me?
22:33.28Naicamine/dev/sdb1: data
22:33.36enoufNaicamine: not good
22:33.42Naicamineno?
22:33.47enoufNaicamine: how did you "format" it?
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22:33.55adbmount -t vfat /dev/sdb1  /media/disk
22:34.13Naicamineit has been working up until yesterday for about six months
22:34.22azeemzzl: so you get the Debian boot menu?
22:34.26moshiimaybe fsck it
22:34.37zzlyes i did, and it says to enter "ENTER"
22:34.39enoufNaicamine: too vague
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22:34.50zzli did that and it gave me that can't find kernel image error
22:34.53Naicamineyeah idk what happened
22:34.59azeemzzl: maybe the .iso is corrupted then
22:35.18azeemzzl: run md5sum on it and check the checksum
22:35.22Naicaminei was out, and left it on
22:35.34Naicaminecame back and it wasnt working
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22:35.42enoufNaicamine: i asked two questions, specifically designed to help us help you
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22:35.45moshiiNaicamine: the superblock is corrupted or gone, try fscking it
22:35.54Naicamineok
22:36.52enoufmoshii: i bet that would do it .. is my guess with so little specific info
22:37.10moshiienouf: maybe someone formatted it for him while he was gone
22:37.16zzleverything on the checksum is right
22:37.26Naicamine"Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8)."
22:37.30enoufmoshii: now you're talking like carl rove - cut that out ;-)
22:37.31Naicamineclear?
22:37.55cafuegoNaicamine: Ideall no, but I don't think you've got much choice.
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22:38.01Naicamineyeah
22:38.11Tapoutxfs or ext3 for /home ...
22:38.20moshii<3 backups
22:38.23cafuegoTapout: yes
22:38.27enoufNaicamine: sounds like time for a fsck as mentioned
22:38.32moshiiTapout: do you store lots of big files?
22:38.41Tapoutmoshii
22:38.42Tapoutyes
22:38.42Naicamineive never done that
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22:39.11moshiiTapout: well xfs will suite you then, the only thing it has going over ext3 is with 4gb+ files IIRC
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22:39.40cafuegomoshii: ext3 stores 4+Gb file just fine
22:39.42moshiiTapout: its not as good as ext3 with lots of little files
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22:40.07moshiicafuego: yeah, but benchmark-wise xfs is good with big files
22:40.22cafuegonotes he knows people who recommend XFS for maildir etc
22:40.43Naicaminei ran fsck /dev/sdb1, it came back, Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal, then asked to clear. so now i hit yes?
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22:40.58cafuegoNaicamine: yep
22:41.20moshiicafuego: would think the opposite as xfs is meant to be really slow with little files, maildir == lots of little files
22:41.25Naicamine/dev/sdb1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced.
22:41.35zzlwtf. i downloaded a file and now it's gone
22:41.36NaicamineJournal inode is not in use, but contains data.  Clear<y>?
22:41.50cafuegomoshii: You'd think so... but I reckon my ~ is faster on XFS than it was with ext3.
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22:41.57cafuegoNaicamine: y
22:42.06cafuegoNaicamine: Um
22:42.11Naicamineam i goin to lose data
22:42.11moshiimm interesting :)
22:42.18cafuegoNaicamine: Didn't yoooou say before you tried to mount it as vfat?!
22:42.23moshiiNaicamine: we cant know
22:42.31Naicamineyeah
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22:42.49cafuegomoshii: Not much of a test though; I used ext3 on a 4-disk raid5 and now xfs on a 6-disk raid10.
22:42.54moshiiNaicamine: chances are if you lost the superblock you might have lost other stuff too ;)
22:43.04Naicaminenice
22:43.29cafuegoNaicamine: But fsck seems to think it's not vfat, but ext3.
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22:44.01Naicamineright i knew that, but it told me it was fat16 when i ran fdisk -l
22:44.04moshiiwonders if xfs is good with raid/multipath..
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22:44.10Naicaminei formatted it as ext3
22:44.14Naicaminebefore
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22:44.20pipelinemoshii: no better or worse than anything
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22:44.25pipelineext3 is almost always the correct choice for a filesystem
22:44.29cafuegoNaicamine: That's just the type label in the partition map, that needs to bear NO relation to what the fs actually is.
22:44.34pipelineI have a massive XFS filesystem I can't get rid of :P
22:44.35Naicamineok
22:44.40pipelineI have lived to regret choosing XFS (stupid file deletion time)
22:44.47moshiipipeline: I suppose that side of things is below the vfs level anyhow
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22:45.10NaicamineInode 49217 is in use, but has dtime set.  Fix<y>?
22:45.24cafuegoNaicamine: Basically, you answer Y to everything it asks you.
22:45.31Naicamineok
22:45.37kunwon1lol
22:46.01moshiiyou can force ext3.fsck to answer yes automatically iirc
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22:46.13cafuegohas never in 16 years had to tell fsck 'N' and get a working fielsystem afterwards (except when trying to run fsck on a mounted fs)
22:46.19cafuegomoshii: correct. fsck -y
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22:46.42moshiiNaicamine: you're lucky though as it appears you still have inodes... maybe you have some files attached
22:47.17cafuegomoshii: It'll have had backup superblocks; if all he lost was the journal he'll prolly be fine. Just *maybe* lose some recent changes.
22:47.43Naicamineso is this from being unmounted incorrectly?
22:47.43Naicamineo r can you tell?
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22:48.24moshiiNaicamine: is the drive making funny noises?
22:48.25cafuegoNaicamine: well, it thinks it wasn't properly unmounted. As to why or how,. Could be a bit got flipped by cosmic radiation... or you could have lost power... no way to know for us :-)
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22:49.10Naicaminehaha no noises
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22:49.57Naicaminethere was a guy here hooking up the internet yesterday, i think he might have unplugged it
22:50.02moshiiNaicamine: sometime filesystems go bad not because of anything youve done but because the disk or controller are on their way out
22:50.12valdynNaicamine: the partition type id is fat16, thats no big deal
22:50.16cafuegoNaicamine: do you own a cricket bat?
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22:50.51moshiiNaicamine: checked `uptime`?
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22:52.21moshiiNaicamine: well, its been turned off since yesterday then
22:52.41Naicamineyeah
22:53.03Naicaminei just did a bit ago to see if i could mount it after a reboot
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22:53.32Naicaminebut i have been having trouble since about 24 hrs ago
22:54.00moshiipeople still reboot?
22:54.08cafuegoyeah
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22:54.16cafuegomakes it easier to get that new kernel running eh
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22:54.40Tapoutssh pubkey doesn't work connecting to a new install of debian.  I setup the authorized_keys, but it doesn't login without a password.  All other machines work... it's so strange
22:54.58moshiicafuego: the kernel can load a new kernel now ;)
22:55.18Naicamineat the line: "Inode 49377, i_blocks is 1606303, should be 40.  Fix<y>? yes,"  it froze
22:55.29cafuegomoshii: I said "easier" not "possible" ;-)
22:55.31Naicaminectrl c? or ride it out?
22:55.34moshiiWhat I really meant was people still reboot to fix problems
22:55.36cafuegoNaicamine: Just wait
22:55.39Naicamineok
22:56.00moshiiwaits for the grinding noises to start coming out of the disk
22:56.05Naicamine;)
22:56.11cafuegoNaicamine: It runs through first, it doesn't apply the fixes until you've run through all problems. Otherwise you might end up with a half-fixed FS.
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22:56.29_A_Fantasticssh always says "connection refused." What could it mean ?
22:57.30cafuegoit could mean there is no sshd running
22:57.55cafuegoor it could mean a firewall in between is rejecting ssh packets
22:57.55valdyn_A_Fantastic: on which port was that again? 444?
22:58.05_A_Fantastic1889
22:58.08cafuegoor 8both*
22:58.11valdynah
22:58.12valdynuh
22:58.30valdyn_A_Fantastic: run "netstat -plunt" on the ssh server and look where/if sshd is listening
22:58.30_A_FantasticI guess my modem is not forwarding that port.
22:58.41cafuegoNaicamine: And when fsck finishes, run it *again* this time with -f and -C flags.
22:58.54valdyn_A_Fantastic: modems dont do this, routers do
22:59.22Naicamineshould i have run it that way before?
22:59.43_A_Fantasticvaldyn: tcp6 1889 LISTEN
22:59.54valdyn_A_Fantastic: you want that for tcp
23:00.00_A_FantasticYes.
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23:00.17valdyn_A_Fantastic: the addresses matter too
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23:01.07valdyn_A_Fantastic:  0 0.0.0.0:1889 -> all ok
23:01.58_A_Fantasticvaldyn: tcp6 0   0 :::1889   :::* LISTEN  *
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23:02.08valdyn_A_Fantastic: i dont want the tcp6 line
23:02.19valdyn_A_Fantastic: your router most likely doesnt even do ipv6
23:02.49_A_Fantasticvaldyn: That is the only line with 1889 port.
23:03.05valdyn_A_Fantastic: "netstat -plunt | grep sshd"
23:03.26cafuegoNaicamine: Nah.... -f just forces it even if marked as clean ... -C pronts a progress bar.
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23:04.05Naicamineok thnx i was reading the man page, but i didnt find -f
23:04.05cafuegovaldyn: It just emans it's listening on all interfaces on both v6 and v4.
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23:04.29valdyncafuego: probably,  but my netstat will have both lines, tcp and tcp6
23:04.39_A_Fantasticvaldyn: The only line now was:  tcp6  0  0 :::1889  :::* LISTEN  6065/sshd
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23:05.01valdyni wonder if that means anything
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23:05.35cafuego_A_Fantastic: Can you ssh to your local ipv4 address on port 1889?
23:06.17_A_Fantasticcafuego: No.
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23:06.30valdyn_A_Fantastic: show us your sshd_config
23:06.34cafuego_A_Fantastic: Ok, so it's *not* listening there then.
23:06.40valdyninteresting..
23:07.35valdyn!paste
23:07.35dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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23:09.28chuckSo when is the next version of debian coming out, and what is it called?
23:09.39valdyn!lenny
23:09.40dpkgit has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing.  To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>.  Lenny is the binoculars.  Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>).  A <moving target>.  See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
23:09.50cafuegoLenny, 5.0, sometime this decade, maybe
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23:10.21chuck!wwtr
23:10.31chuck!wwlr
23:10.31dpkgLenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. Hopefully before the end of 2008, but in any case, not until there are no more release critical bugs. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:"
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23:11.04chuck172 X_X
23:11.11valdyndpkg: wwlr =~ s/2008/mid 2009/
23:11.11dpkgvaldyn: OK
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23:11.57chuckvaldyn, the end of mid 2009?
23:12.06chuckwonders if that makes complete sense
23:12.06_A_Fantastic-Bvaldyn: http://paste.debian.net/21084/
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23:13.34valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: maybe 1889 was in use?
23:13.49valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: the configuration does not look bad, try restarting it
23:13.53_A_Fantastic-BMay be...
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23:14.09_A_Fantastic-BI did.
23:14.22valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: netstat -plunt should give a tcp line..
23:14.59_A_Fantastic-Btcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:631           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      4982/cupsd
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23:15.06_A_Fantastic-BThe only tcp line
23:15.47valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: what kind of system / debian release is this?
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23:15.59valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: kernel?
23:16.02_A_Fantastic-BLenny.
23:16.06_A_Fantastic-BNo sorry.
23:16.22_A_Fantastic-Bhttp://paste.debian.net/21085/
23:16.42themillsshd is listening ok
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23:17.07valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: paste us the output of "route" and "ifconfig" too
23:17.14_A_Fantastic-Bvaldyn: 2.6.26.1686
23:17.24valdynthemill: he said he cant even access it locally over ipv4
23:17.36themillvaldyn: yeah, that's plain weird.
23:17.57valdynthemill: and i have no idea yet why I see tcp line for sshd while he has just tcp6
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23:18.30_A_Fantastic-Bvaldyn: I must say that I'm trying to access my kids' ubuntu machine from my debian one.
23:18.51valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: uh, so its not really local access that you tried?
23:19.28themill_A_Fantastic-B: do you have denyhosts or fail2ban or something installed? any iptables rules? anything in /etc/hosts.{deny,allow}?
23:19.40_A_Fantastic-BIt is in my home, both pcs, behind a mode that is configured to route.
23:19.50_A_Fantastic-BI did an iptables -F
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23:20.18_A_Fantastic-BNothing in /etc/deny or allow.
23:20.23_A_Fantastic-Bhttp://paste.debian.net/21086/
23:20.41Tapout!nginx
23:21.03Tapouthow do you query the bot for 'nginx'?
23:21.17Tapouti wanna see if anyone put comments on it
23:21.36valdynTapout: just as you did, theres nothing obviously
23:21.45Tapout><
23:21.46_A_Fantastic-Bthemill: I even tried ALL :ALL@ALL :ALLOW in /etc/hosts.allow
23:22.07themill_A_Fantastic-B: I presume the two hosts are pingable? Do any other connections work between them?
23:22.19themill(i.e. has this ever worked before)
23:22.23_A_Fantastic-BI guess the router is not routing.
23:22.37valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: why would it be routing for this?
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23:22.53valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: i mean, you 2 are connected via the builtin switch, no?
23:23.16_A_Fantastic-BYes. (I guess) My english sucks.
23:23.26valdyni could imagine that the other box only has link local ip address
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23:23.39valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: what is the other box's ip adress?
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23:23.56_A_Fantastic-BIt is set to dhcp
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23:24.07valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: ok, and which address?
23:24.41owen1I want to connect external monitor to my laptop. how to send 'video out' command using the terminal? what aboout xrandr?
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23:25.02owen1btw, it's a vga output.
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23:25.07_A_Fantastic-Bip address show says: inet 127.0.0.1/8
23:25.22TurboBeeI just did an apt-get dist-upgrade on my laptop and X won't load up now
23:25.27TurboBeedo you guys have any advice?
23:25.39themill_A_Fantastic-B: can you pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" on that one too for us?
23:25.44pipelineowen1: xrandr is an X11 client like any other, so as long as you have permission to connect to the X server, it will work from the terminal.
23:25.48valdyn_A_Fantastic-B: thats a loopback address
23:25.54pipelineowen1: sending the vtty outputs to a second monitor, on the other hand, is hardware dependent.
23:26.06pipelineTurboBee: examine the X.org logs in /var/log
23:26.11pipelineTurboBee: it is likely that you are missing e.g. a kernel module
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23:26.25TurboBeeok
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23:26.31TurboBeecrap, my custom kernel >_<<
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23:26.46themillowen1: something like "xrandr --verbose --output VGA --mode 1280x1024 --pos 0x0 --output LVDS --mode 1400x1050 --pos 0x998" but getting that right is left as an exercise for you :)
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23:27.40_A_Fantasticthemill: http://paste.debian.net/21087/
23:27.53owen1themill: pipeline: thanks. after runnig this command i might not see anything on my built-in monitor. how to revert back?
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23:28.53themillowen1: actually, --auto might be enough. I've not played with the new xrandr stuff much yet.
23:29.37owen1themill: what version do u have?
23:30.38themillowen1: I have etch on this machine. (I presume you are asking about lenny here... otherwise xrandr can't help you)
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23:30.48owen1themill: true.
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23:31.30themill_A_Fantastic-B: and I presume that both machines can ping each other with no problems?
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23:32.25_A_Fantastic-Bthemill: Them modem has on external ip. I don't know how can I ping the machines behind the modem.
23:32.43cafuego_A_Fantastic-B: You can't, unless you forward ICMP
23:32.44Growlyif any friends have some time, i have some sound-related questions to humbly ask for advice on
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23:33.17pipelineowen1: it's not a good idea to run xrandr from inside a vtty, I warn you
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23:33.25pipelineowen1: some graphics cards get cranky about all the mode switching :)
23:33.32themill_A_Fantastic-B: you have two machines both behind the modem, don't you? and you can't even ssh between them, let alone from the external network in, or have I missed something fundamental here
23:33.32enoufvtty?
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23:33.41pipelineenouf: the fake ttys the kernel gives you
23:33.43enoufyou mean an xterm?
23:33.54pipelineenouf: tty1-tty7
23:33.56enoufor the pts?
23:33.59pipelineenouf: ctrl alt f1
23:34.13enoufwhoops, i meant, pts vs tty
23:34.18_A_Fantastic-BGuys, thanks for your help so far. I have to prepare meal to the kids because they're hungry.
23:34.20cafuegotty1-tty7 aren't fake! they're realy! REAL I TELL YOU!
23:34.29enoufconsole - ok, gotcha
23:34.35pipelineenouf: Well, the virtual ttys aren't REALLY ttys...
23:34.36owen1pipeline: i use dwm. does it mean i am not using vtty?
23:34.36_A_Fantastic-Bthemill: I guess you're right.
23:34.38pipelineenouf: they use the graphics card etc
23:34.39cafuegogibbers
23:34.45enoufpipeline: i know
23:34.47themill_A_Fantastic-B: have fun... good luck with it
23:35.00pipelineowen1: ohhh gotcha... no dwm is an X11 client, so you'll be using xterm or something.  That's a pty or what have you.  That's the way it should be.
23:35.02enoufthat's why xterms should be called vvttys
23:35.19pipelineI think the whole vtty thing is a really old term... IIRC that's what they called that shit under SCO UNIX
23:35.25_A_Fantastic-Bthemill: Sure. I'll keep studding. Sooner or latter I'll get it working.
23:35.34_A_Fantastic-BThank you guys again. :)
23:35.43enoufpipeline: the only other term that comes to mind is DOSbox :-P
23:35.58owen1pipeline: yes. i use xterm i think (the defualt of dwm). am i ok using xrandr?
23:36.35owen1pipeline: uxterm
23:36.46enoufloves emulating emulation
23:37.01themillOf course, a tty used to be an electromechanical device... they were fun :) and deeply frustrating.
23:37.26pipelineowen1: yes
23:37.43pipelineowen1: I was saying it's dangerous to be using the video hardware for something else (e.g. linux kernel's virtual terms) while invoking xrandr
23:37.57pipelineowen1: you're using the virtual hardware for X11 and invoking xrandr on the same X server, so you will be fine
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23:59.55dpkg<pder> will debian run on a computer system?

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